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Title: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 01, 2015, 10:02:47 AM
As expected on two and a half year deal taking charge after todays game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 01, 2015, 10:03:50 AM
This is the best birthday present I could have wished for. Great appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 01, 2015, 10:05:08 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-bromwich-albion-baggies-tony-pulis-new-head-coach-2175923.aspx

West Bromwich Albion are today delighted to confirm the appointment of Premier League Manager of the Year Tony Pulis as the club’s new Head Coach.

Pulis has agreed a two-and-a-half-year contract with the Baggies and will take charge after today’s Barclays Premier League fixture at West Ham.

His appointment takes his management career into a 23rd year, a career highlighted by landmark roles establishing Stoke City as a Premier League force before last season’s remarkable rescue of Crystal Palace from the threat of relegation.

It is the second time in four years Albion have appointed a reigning Premier League Manager of the Year. That was the title held by Roy Hodgson when he was named Head Coach in February 2011 and the same award was bestowed upon Albion’s new Head Coach for his acclaimed revival of Palace last season.

The Eagles finished 11th after the Welshman took control of a team holding just four points from 11 games and placed six points from safety.

He needs little further introduction to Hawthorns fans who saw his Stoke team become such a thorn in Albion’s side throughout a seven-year stint in the Potteries which transformed the club.

Pulis, who left Palace before the start of this season, said: “I’m absolutely delighted to accept the job and I do so with a simple but important message for the Albion fans and everyone at the club.

“Every successful club is built on unity and that is what I shall strive to help bring to Albion. We need everyone together from top to bottom – the supporters, all the staff, the players, everyone who has an interest in the club’s welfare.

“With that, we can go forward together and hopefully take this club up the Premier League.”

The Newport-born Pulis holds the proud record of never suffering relegation as a manager and he arrives with Premier League survival the priority target outlined by the Albion board.

The club’s Technical Director Terry Burton said: “We are delighted to secure a man of Tony’s calibre and proven ability.

“He made it clear that this position excited him and that he was eager to get back into the business of winning Premier League points - and there are few who know how to do it better.”

Pulis cut his managerial teeth first as a player-coach for Harry Redknapp at Bournemouth in 1992 and onwards through further appointments with Gillingham, Bristol City and Portsmouth.

But it was at Stoke where his reputation was cemented as he transformed the club from a mid-table Championship outfit to one of the toughest in the Premier League with a feared home record and top-flight stability.

He is due to meet with his new players briefly today before watching the Hammers clash from the stands. He plans to attend his first media conference as Albion’s new Head Coach tomorrow ahead of the FA Cup third round tie at The Hawthorns against Gateshead.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: don1thedon on January 01, 2015, 10:10:19 AM
“Every successful club is built on unity and that is what I shall strive to help bring to Albion. We need everyone together from top to bottom – the supporters, all the staff, the players, everyone who has an interest in the club’s welfare."

That's the key!
Welcome Tony, good luck. COYB!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 01, 2015, 10:11:05 AM
doesn't say if he's bringing his own back room staff
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on January 01, 2015, 10:12:13 AM
According to the BBC his first signing will be Peter Crouch.  Is it going to be Ron Saunders revisited?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on January 01, 2015, 10:13:23 AM
Fantastic news. Well done Jeremy Peace for realising the club needed to go in a different direction structurally. I cannot think of anyone at this point in time who I would rather have managing the side. Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on January 01, 2015, 10:16:02 AM
Excellent appointment, experienced, hardworking manager. Welcome Tony ,now down to work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 01, 2015, 10:18:56 AM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on January 01, 2015, 10:12:13 AM
According to the BBC his first signing will be Peter Crouch.  Is it going to be Ron Saunders revisited?

just an assumption from the BBC (I Hope) TP needs to asses what he has before bringing anybody in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 01, 2015, 10:19:25 AM
Thank goodness there wasn't a last minute hitch...

Really excited. Do hope he doesn't sign loads of ex Stoke players though...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on January 01, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Great appointment - but please no Peter Crouch....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 01, 2015, 10:22:49 AM
Well done JP and co for a swift appointment.

Exactly what we need *right now*. Hopefully the Hawthorns will become a fortress again and fans will unite behind the new regime.

As for Crouch. Yes please. Better than anything we've got and gives us another option.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 01, 2015, 10:28:31 AM
Here's what I posted on the New manager thread before it got locked, I wanted to repost it because I went to a lot of effort writing it! Hope that's ok mods!

Here are my thoughts on Pulis joining:

One, the club is in a bit of a mess really and are repeatedly making mistakes over and over again. There were poor signings made towards the end of Clarke's reign. Sinclair was a waste, Anelka, Lugano too and it all sounded like there was a chap behind the scenes called Dave McDonahugh pulling the transfer strings while a man whose only experience came as a lawyer was suddenly the director of football. We'd balls'd up big time.

Skip forward to December 2013 and Pepe Mel arrives, employed because we want a change of style in the middle of a season where we were really struggling. It proved to be a terrible idea and Mel's time was cut short.

We then added Alan Irvine and bought a load of players who would have very much fitted Mel's style of play but didn't suit Irvine's. What a mess. I do believe that the issues of recruiting however were addressed and last summer's recruiting more than likely had some residual influence from the past and we'll see a more positive input from the scouts in the next two transfer windows.

So with the club getting managers, sorry, head coaches in and giving them the wrong players we were looking a total mess and I don't think any of us wanted to see Irvine buy his type of players. Thankfully though regrettably, we let him go and this appointment suddenly became very, very important.

Step up Tony Pulis. If there ever was a man to sort out a mess at a club it's him. I think his demands to have full control over the transfers can only be good. I'm done with seeing managers get the wrong players and be at odds with the recruitment department.

A lot has been said about his style, well we've seen two styles from him at Palace and Stoke and admittedly, one job lasted a lot longer than the other BUT it proves he's adaptable.

You know what I take joy in watching? Corners being cleared almost every time instead of panic every time the opposition win a set-piece. I like seeing teams defend well and hit their opponents on the counter. I don't even mind long ball as long as it isn't every time. Most of all, I enjoy it when we win when it looks like we may draw and draw when we may lose.

I'm convinced that Peace has finally done everything correct here and Pulis is the man to get us back into the position we were on when Roy left. He's not the most glamorous boss either so you never know it may be the start of a long beautiful relationship!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on January 01, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
Fantastic - At last a good manager. Onwards and upwards now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on January 01, 2015, 10:30:00 AM
every paper always links managers with ex players...i wouldnt expect any new signings in first week he needs to see what he has or hasnt got in the squad...lets get behind the boys and have a better half of the seaon boing boing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 01, 2015, 10:30:22 AM
Delighted with this appointment. Hodgson aside this should be the best appointment we've made in 10 years. As for new players. Crouch is still miles better than Anichebe or Samaras.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lonions on January 01, 2015, 10:31:20 AM
Happy with that appointment.

Bet there’s a few premier league teams now thinking not him again. i would be!

COYB!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on January 01, 2015, 10:32:26 AM
Quote from: RogerBadoo on January 01, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Great appointment - but please no Peter Crouch....
agree..he is the last person I want in an almost stripped shirt....Also Pulis is an experienced manager has been there seen it and done it...so why not get in the dugout today...I have had enough if the 3 stooges...they know their cushy life is up...so please Tony..get the track suit on get on the side of tge pitch and organise our shambles into a team !!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: very old baggie on January 01, 2015, 10:37:17 AM
Great appointment.... well done JP  :)

PS I would welcome Peter Crouch.... still has plenty to offer!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 01, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
Shrewd individual that TP is, I believe he already knows the strengths and weaknesses of our squad.

 I dare say he's been sitting on the sidelines looking at clubs that are in trouble and where a vacancy would be imminent so that when he moved in he was already ahead of the game, he knows time is short.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 01, 2015, 10:37:58 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on January 01, 2015, 10:11:05 AM
doesn't say if he's bringing his own back room staff
I doubt they'll say anything about that yet when the current incumbents are taking charge of the side at West Ham. They may still even be involved against Gateshead. It's nice for us to not take weeks for "due diligence" over a decision for once.

Welcome Tony and good luck. I hope you can do the business for us without us having to play like Stoke did whilst you were there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 01, 2015, 10:38:31 AM
Welcome to the club Tony.

Delighted with the appointment, just what we needed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ComebackStrodds on January 01, 2015, 10:40:08 AM
Really happy with that. I was convinced he'd turn us down and we'd end up with Sherwood.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 01, 2015, 10:44:15 AM
His comment about unity is bang on and something we haven't had at the club for a while now.

Nice to have some positivity running through the board again! Happy days!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on January 01, 2015, 10:46:55 AM
The best possible appointment for us at this moment in time. Well done Jeremy and good luck Tony. Let's get s**t sorted!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 01, 2015, 10:47:21 AM
I saw the Birmingham Mail site saying that Samaras, Davidson and Blanco are all deemed surplus to requirements. That'd be disappointing if Blanco went.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on January 01, 2015, 10:51:54 AM
Welcome Mr Pulis you will get my support as did Mr Irvine.

Now Albion fans lets all stick together and show Mr Pulis what a great club he as come too.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on January 01, 2015, 10:53:18 AM
Whilst i am pleased that a fiery personality is in charge, it does seem to have been met badly on other football forums, suggesting he isn't a good fit with a no nonsense chairmen at the helm, that palace fitted him perfectly because he could work with players like Puncheon and Bolasie to taylor to his needs. I guess time will tell, no surprise stokies are bringing up the old 'rather be relegated than have pulis' line we used to dish it when we played against them. However, one thing rings true is that he nearly always knew how to beat us, so will know how to make us a well drilled team. Something akin to Roy and i'll be happy, as we were pretty unpredictable but played very well away, hopefully we can translate that to home performances ala Fortress Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: silver surfer on January 01, 2015, 10:54:12 AM
Sensing this is a good appointment.
And fair play to JP for making the necessary compromises.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brettsf on January 01, 2015, 10:54:28 AM
Delighted with the appointment. Let's see some of our 'superstars' start earning their money now! One thing's for certain, he won't stand any messing.
I remember two other gaffers who demanded nothing less than 100%, i.e. Jimmy Hagan and Gary Megson. They both saw us through some exciting times. Go on Tony....take us there again!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on January 01, 2015, 10:57:20 AM
I hope he proves me wrong and doesn't bring Stokes style of play with him. It is possible to play attractive football and win. Swansea and Southampton have proved that and look at how much West Ham have improved this season after getting the ball on the deck. I have no doubt he'll keep us up now which is the critical thing.

Welcome to The Hawthorns Tony. Hopefully you can win over the minority fans like me and make me eat humble pie.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on January 01, 2015, 10:57:41 AM
It's about time we took someone on who's stood up to the board and said I want final say on transfers. You can't blame Pulis for asking for this as its his job on the line if signings don't work out.
I think we can expect an injection of pace into the squad and a much more direct style of play with us getting the ball forward quickly and a defence that's capable of not leaking goals easily.
I also expect that The Hawthornes will be turned back into a place that the opposition will not look forwards to visiting bringing back the atmosphere we know
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chonobaggie on January 01, 2015, 10:58:38 AM
This is great news. Hopefully he can sort us out. First time in a long time I've been excited about a new manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on January 01, 2015, 11:02:53 AM
A very warm welcome to Tony Pulis.

This really is excellent news to start the New Year and following the recent events and decision by the club earlier in the week, I genuinely feel Pulis ticks all the boxes in terms of character and leadership qualities in our attempts to move away from the foot of the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 01, 2015, 11:13:34 AM
I can't thank JP enough for this signing and haven't been this excited for a long time.
As for Crouch definately speculation but we are desperate for a striker so would fit the bill loads of experience.


Welcome Tony, pull this club together and wait and see the hawthorns rocking, its the best.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 01, 2015, 11:17:05 AM
Very shrewd timing of the appointment.  Leave the coaches as fall guys for the game that we are unlikely to win (one win in ten at West Ham and in Champions League form) and introduce him at Gateshead followed by Hull at home. (Hopefully) Immediate turn around under the new manager. ;-)
Welcome to the Hawthorns. Hopefully it will be a long and successful appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 01, 2015, 11:22:54 AM
Good appointment and timing-a day after compensation is no longer necessary to Palace (it's enough to make you wonder whether JP was waiting on him for a while now?). Finally a bit of leadership as shown by his opening statement "unity"!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on January 01, 2015, 11:23:39 AM
What a contrast in reaction to the Irvine appointment. Pulis has the fans on side from the word go. That counts for a lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on January 01, 2015, 11:23:54 AM
A good appointment and an experienced coach. Hopefully the comfort zone players are looking over their shoulders right now. Good luck Tony!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dale on January 01, 2015, 11:27:44 AM
Absolutely delighted with this appointment. I don't care how we play as long as we win football matches!

Don't get me wrong it's nice to see entertaining football and winning, but for me I don't pay to be entertained I pay to watch my team win!

Really looking forward to the Pulis era. Bring it on!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on January 01, 2015, 11:33:18 AM
Fantastic news. Welcome to The Hawthorns, Tony.

A great message to everyone at the club. And a two and half year contract too, we need some stability.

Come on lads!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on January 01, 2015, 11:37:23 AM
Love it, couldn't have asked for a better person in charge.

Welcome Tony!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggy74 on January 01, 2015, 11:41:01 AM
Quote from: kris_boing on January 01, 2015, 10:57:20 AM
I hope he proves me wrong and doesn't bring Stokes style of play with him. It is possible to play attractive football and win. Swansea and Southampton have proved that and look at how much West Ham have improved this season after getting the ball on the deck. I have no doubt he'll keep us up now which is the critical thing.

Welcome to The Hawthorns Tony. Hopefully you can win over the minority fans like me and make me eat humble pie.

Biggest myth in football every time I've seen them this year they have resembled old style Stoke , but hammers fans aren't complaining because they are winning.

Here's hoping we get pulis palace style with width and pace ! Over hoof ball , if so it could be very exciting either way it's a change that was needed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 01, 2015, 11:47:17 AM
I am very happy with this appointment best appointment since we got Hodgson in. Does anyone else find  it strange that he is our manager now I never ever thought in a million years Tony Pulis would ever be a West Brom manager. Welcome TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lonions on January 01, 2015, 11:47:33 AM
would of thought Samaras would of fitting into Tonys style of play!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 01, 2015, 12:04:08 PM
For me it works in the here and now long-term not so sure. Those of you who were berating Irvine Clarke and even Hodgson about style play had better get ready for more of the same it ain't going to be pretty but it might be effective.

Extended thoughts

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/who-you-going-to-call.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2015, 12:05:32 PM
Best possible bloke for our current situation both on and off the pitch , much like Megson was years ago .
I used to watch Stoke fight for every single point and be a tad envious and Palace were superb to watch too in the short time he was there. After 18 months of slumber and a losing mental attitude I actually feel a small buzz about the Albion again. Best of luck Tony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on January 01, 2015, 12:07:12 PM
Great appointment, really think he'll get the best out of ideye like he did with chamakh. Imagine varela and sess will be his wingers until we get someone else in. Berahino won't be able to mess about like he did under irvine. Really excited, hopefully get around 15th this year and then really push on next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbasoprano on January 01, 2015, 12:09:57 PM
Where's Gerry mullet?  :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 01, 2015, 12:18:21 PM
The thread says 'Manager' have we done away with the Head Coach title then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cheesyknackers on January 01, 2015, 12:22:12 PM
Reading this whilst watching the Dambusters on TV.

Der der der der du du der der ....


Looking forward to today's game for the first time this season.
Win or lose today , there is change on the very near horizon, and for the better.

der der der der du du du der du der...


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 01, 2015, 12:26:36 PM
Quote from: BB74 on January 01, 2015, 12:18:21 PM
The thread says 'Manager' have we done away with the Head Coach title then?
don't think so, Pulis is still head coach but is as powerful as Hodgson was.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 01, 2015, 12:28:37 PM
I don't think the issue of 'pace on the wing' is too big, and if it is I'm sure he'll bring someone quick in January.

The good/bad? thing about Pulis is he's not afraid to experiment with positions, so I really wouldn't be too surprised if he put Gamboa as an attacking winger which I personally think is his best position anyway.
If you look at Stoke he never really had massive pace on the wing, I think it was Pennant and Etherington for a few years who aren't massively quick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 01, 2015, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on January 01, 2015, 10:57:20 AM
I hope he proves me wrong and doesn't bring Stokes style of play with him. It is possible to play attractive football and win. Swansea and Southampton have proved that and look at how much West Ham have improved this season after getting the ball on the deck. I have no doubt he'll keep us up now which is the critical thing.

Welcome to The Hawthorns Tony. Hopefully you can win over the minority fans like me and make me eat humble pie.

I'm not on the wind up here. But what do you consider as attractive football?

Personally I would say Liverpool last season were very entertaining. Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling flying forward and creating chance after chance. Liverpool this season don't get the ball forward quickly because it comes straight back to them. Which leaves the defenders keeping the ball moving around the back 4 more.

Defenders keeping possession looks great on the statistics. But is it really entertaining? It looks attractive to the purists yes, but if you're not threatening the opposition goalkeeper would you be sitting on the edge of your seat?

Or would you like to see wingers bombing down the touchline and regularly crossing the ball to your forwards?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 01, 2015, 12:38:46 PM
Attractive football for me is "pass and move..........NOT Hoof and run !!

As long as we see the former and not the latter, I'll be happy.

Welcome Tony, prove your doubters wrong and get us winning but without the hoof n rush !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2015, 12:41:00 PM
Not a big lover of the man but he is exactly what we need at the moment so I have to applaud the club for their quickness in firstly sacking Irvine and appointing Pulis. He's going to by hook or by crook pull this football club together both on the pitch and off it.

This isn't a perfect squad and I'm very interested to see how we perform - and moreso, be interesting to see what sort of business we do in the transfer market.

Strap yourself in folks..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on January 01, 2015, 12:53:20 PM
Quote from: Greenock Baggie on January 01, 2015, 12:38:46 PM
Attractive football for me is "pass and move..........NOT Hoof and run !!

As long as we see the former and not the latter, I'll be happy.

Welcome Tony, prove your doubters wrong and get us winning but without the hoof n rush !!!
I personally think we will be much better at getting the ball forward under Pulis rather than slowing play up and over passing it in deep areas. I'm not talking about just hit and hope long balls, a long ball into space for a wide player to run onto should create us more chances than we have been
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 01, 2015, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on January 01, 2015, 12:26:36 PM
don't think so, Pulis is still head coach but is as powerful as Hodgson was.

Ah right. Perhaps the mods could amend the thread title to reflect as it is a tad confusing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 01, 2015, 12:54:25 PM
Nothing I can say here that hasn't already been well put by a good many of you... but I am excited! Great appointment, well done JP!

Welcome aboard, TP, and like Liam said, strap yourselves in  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on January 01, 2015, 01:05:42 PM
Let the clear out begin - and bring in the new blood asap.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 01, 2015, 01:09:42 PM
With Greenock on this world of difference between pass and move and hit and hope. The one redeeming feature of Pulisball mark one was his use of wingers to attack the opposition on the counter but his style was to by-pass the midfield hit it long play for set plays in the opposition half and the bulk of Stoke's chances came from those situations. Fine, it worked but even Stoke fans tired of watching it after 5 seasons.

Whether that was his preferred style of play or one that he settled on given the players he had we will never know and right now Albion fans seem happy enough to trade a bit of stability and another season in the Premier League for any prospect of more cultured football. I am not sure the Pulisball mkII as seen at Palace is a massive improvement on mkI but I have to take a wait and see approach as I would with any coach.

Each situation is different and while we might make a signing or two in the window any major surgery will have to wait to the summer so Pulis will have to work with what he has got. Getting the most out of this squad is the challenge and dragging it through to end of the season in anyway possible regardless of style in the short term should be entirely acceptable to most Baggies fans, but longer term we will still want a game based on pass move rather than hit and hope. If we have Pullisball mkI for an extended period unless the results are out of this world then I suspect the fans will turn quite quickly.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2015, 01:10:56 PM
Overriding feeling is relief. Irvine was the worst thing to happen to our club for a decade. Peace and Burton I feel have pulled off a real coup here akin to the Hodgson appointment.

Welcome Tony, I look forward to anticipating match day with excitement again starting Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on January 01, 2015, 01:17:04 PM
Absolutely delighted with this appointment.

I really thought our structure/JP would prevent it from happening so fair play to JP for altering the set up to accommodate TP and his back room staff.

The length of contract is a real statement of intent as well.

Our run in does not seem quite so daunting now!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 01, 2015, 01:23:20 PM
Former Stoke defender Danny Higginbotham, who played under Tony Pulis:
"Man management is the key to it. You can't treat them all the same and that's why Tony gets the best out of players and he certainly did that at Stoke, especially the first season in the Premier League. He's a manager that looks at players and doesn't ask them to do things they can't do. He gets the best out of them and puts that winning mentality into them as well."

Just what we need - "caps off" to this appointment  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jonny on January 01, 2015, 01:23:38 PM
Suddenly feel that i have that desire ans passion back!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 01, 2015, 01:24:35 PM
Quote from: wbasoprano on January 01, 2015, 12:09:57 PM
Where's Gerry mullet?  :'(
hes at the hairdressers.
welcome to wba mr pulis and happy hunting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 01, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
I had no games planned to attend, tonight I will start booking hotels for a few trips to the Hawthorns.  ;D

Optimism is a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: popbaggie28 on January 01, 2015, 01:26:47 PM
Happy New year Delighted iis an understatement boing f*fkin boing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 01, 2015, 01:27:40 PM
Welcome aboard the good ship Albion skipper.
Here's to you successfully guiding us through the choppy waters ahead.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: valleybaggie on January 01, 2015, 01:32:09 PM
this appointment must go down as peace doing a very good job . when he said he'd learned lessons and appointed irvine it seemed like he didn't know what he was talking about but giving pulis full control and bending his views to bring tony in it's excellent business for the club. and one of the biggest things tony will bring to the club will be unity amongst the players on the pitch.and if any player whoever he maybe dosen't give is all for the cause they won't be here very long ala gary megson when he transformed a team struggling to stay in the league to promotion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jimbo22 on January 01, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Arsenal away, everyone in baseball caps?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 01, 2015, 01:40:10 PM
Just on the radio:

As Stoke manager, Tony Pulis has more wins at the Hawthorns than Irvine and Mel combined.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on January 01, 2015, 01:42:58 PM
Thrilled with appointment. Looks like uncle Roy has had a positive word or two for us as well...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11319993/Tony-Pulis-to-take-1.75m-West-Brom-role-after-consulting-Roy-Hodgson.html

Boing boing!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 01, 2015, 01:49:31 PM
Quote from: MarkW on January 01, 2015, 01:40:10 PM
Just on the radio:

As Stoke manager, Tony Pulis has more wins at the Hawthorns than Irvine and Mel combined.
Good god what a shocking statistic but lets hope he carries on winning at the hawthorns.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on January 01, 2015, 01:50:39 PM
Right man at the Right time.
Welcome Tony
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionLifer on January 01, 2015, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: MarkW on January 01, 2015, 01:40:10 PM
Just on the radio:

As Stoke manager, Tony Pulis has more wins at the Hawthorns than Irvine and Mel combined.

That is truly depressing and shows how far we've fallen since Roy left for the England gig. I'm quietly confident TP will be adding to his "Hawthorns wins" statistic considerably over the new few months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ajt33 on January 01, 2015, 01:53:38 PM
Happy New Year to y'all.

Absolutely delighted with the appointment of Mr Pulis as head coach of West Brom. Really feared we would end up with Sherwood.

From miserable to optimistic in the in the space of a few days. A fresh start - throw out the old and roll in the new.

The Gaffer 8)
(http://www.maidirecalcio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/tony-pulis-manager.jpg)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on January 01, 2015, 02:05:48 PM
We might now have a man at the helm who can convert the big talking from our players into performances on the pitch.

One things for sure he will weed out the shirkers and non performers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 01, 2015, 02:38:31 PM

With the team selection today it looks like the muppets behind Irvine should also be quickly on their way .

Come on Pulis shake em up you'll have my backing ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2015, 02:43:44 PM
Rumours have it that after seeing that midfield Tony Pulis has handed in his resignation..  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 01, 2015, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2015, 02:43:44 PM
Rumours have it that after seeing that midfield Tony Pulis has handed in his resignation..  ;D
Don't know about that Liam but he may be asking for a small increase in the 15 million transfer budget for January, say by another 15million !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on January 01, 2015, 02:47:54 PM
Did anyone really expect a different team today?  Irvine's last parting shot to us. Pulis did not take over until today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on January 01, 2015, 03:02:30 PM
What a fantastic start to the New Year....feels like we are a real Club again after the pain of the last year and a half.

Its a shame we had to go through the last 6 months and it was a shame for Alan Irvine to be the guy that tried to change things, when in fact he never could.

But to be where we are now we had to learn the lessons and suffer, and to be very fair to JP he has acted swiftly and bravely and I am sure will put some money where his mouth his this month.

Call him "Head Coach" , but we all know he's a Manager through and through and that is precisely what we need.

Going out to buy a baseball cap immediately.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnny Cash on January 01, 2015, 03:05:30 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on January 01, 2015, 02:47:54 PM
Did anyone really expect a different team today?  Irvine's last parting shot to us. Pulis did not take over until today.

Do people really expect much different for his first few games?

Irvine wasn't the man for the job, but I don't buy that we had tones of talent that wasn't making it on to the pitch either. I hope the 15 million is true, but if it is and we stay up, expect a quieter summer because thats the budget its coming from.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on January 01, 2015, 05:19:55 PM
He needs 6 wins and a few draws and as soon as possible, played well today could have nicked it.
Hull is a very big game and for once I'm actually looking forward to a game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie79 on January 01, 2015, 05:22:48 PM
I am very happy with this appointment and finally for the first time since Hodgson I am actually excited for the future of my club. He is a very good man manager who will kick the cliques out of this club along with JP kicking KD and RK out of the club, surely this is what we would all want?

He will play whatever system and type of football that suits the players we have, you cant play hoofball with loads of 5 foot something tall footballers as we have. At palace he had a lot of quick attacking footballers so he played a  counter attacking style. I would imagine we will setup with a solid back four, two screening midfielders and then the rest being allowed to attack when we have the ball, I fully expect us to play with a good defensive setup to build to from and cause teams real problems when we attack. Above all I see us playing good counter attacking football and not the perceived "hoofbal" that is being shoehorned in to every opinion on here.

I am fully behind Pulis as he is a proven Premier League manager with a very good record in this division unlike anyone since Hodgson.

Come on Tony and West Brom!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CoachRagnar on January 01, 2015, 05:50:42 PM
I think the players will be in for a surprise. There is "fit, match fit....and they're soon to learn about Pullis-fit. When they walk off the pitch from training, they'll need to take care not to trip over their tongues.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 01, 2015, 05:57:09 PM
Quote from: Baggie79 on January 01, 2015, 05:22:48 PM
He is a very good man manager who will kick the cliques out of this club along with JP kicking KD and RK out of the club, surely this is what we would all want?
Yes, I certainly want that, but I think Kiely needs to go as well so that we can start entirely afresh. Given the unexpected level of involvement of Pulis and Kemp today, I guess there could well be an announcement about the remaining coaches tomorrow, as there's no reason why Pulis and Kemp can't be in the dugout for the Gateshead game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tatnam baggie on January 01, 2015, 06:05:15 PM
So pleased we got Tony pulis to sighn on the dotted line. Well done to JP for not dithering this time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 01, 2015, 06:06:22 PM
Quote from: CoachRagnar on January 01, 2015, 05:50:42 PM
I think the players will be in for a surprise. There is "fit, match fit....and they're soon to learn about Pullis-fit. When they walk off the pitch from training, they'll need to take care not to trip over their tongues.
Apparently his training sessions according to players who've played under him say it was more demanding than the match itself, can honestly say I never remember seeing a stoke side under him who lost games because of tiredness and couldn't go the extra mile.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: colinmax on January 01, 2015, 06:45:29 PM
Good to see meaningful substitutions.
He is in a very fortunate position because he can make eleven team changes against Gateshead he could not be criticised as he could plead it necessary to see all of his squad in match situations.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 01, 2015, 06:57:32 PM
By all accounts the subs were his decisions today.

Already heavily involved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 01, 2015, 07:19:20 PM
One of the most important qualities of a manager imo is to be tactically aware and i think we now have one of the best.
His ability to alter games with subs ect. is impressive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on January 01, 2015, 07:25:47 PM
Never thought I'd say this, but ... welcome to the Baggies Tony!
It`s been a long time since I've been on here & read such positivity. Listened to Matty Etherington on Talksport this morning, & he said that he`s such a stickler for tactics during training, that a lot of the time training was more mentally draining than physical. He really rated him though & naturally thinks he`ll do a great job.
With all this positivity, there's probably a lot of you that weren`t going to go up against Gateshead that have now changed their mind? I really hope so anyway ... Let`s give the guy a big welcome!
COYB!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2015, 07:46:58 PM
I thought it was brilliant to see both Tony Pulis and Dave Kemp stamping their authority on the football club. Really refreshing to see them getting messages down to the bench when many managers in waiting would have sat there watching the game.

Today was an ideal game for Pulis to witness though - he's undoubtedly saw some very shoddy defending from certain individuals but he has also saw the best of others. Berahino taking his chance, Stephane Sessegnon being a creative outlet and the solidity of both Yacob and Youssouf Mulumbu as well as the latters willingness to try and link play.

There is plenty for our new gaffer to work on, there is no denying that but Pulis will have got a very round overview of our side today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Rheneas on January 01, 2015, 07:49:59 PM
Really pleased with a point against an otherwise in form West Ham today. That's the kind of result we need to be taken seriously.

Everyone in the squad will be on their toes from now on, which is good, because he has no preconceptions about who should/ shouldn't be in the team, and there's a transfer window looming.

Onwards and upwards. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 01, 2015, 07:53:49 PM
Even though he was on a watching brief it was great to see him being so proactive, particularly in the second half.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 01, 2015, 08:08:15 PM
Heres my view on it one of 40/50 odd thousand Albion fans it dont matter to much if at all but here it goes, I think the results have pulled some of even most of our fans apart mentally over the last 2 years myself included tottenham, cardiff, villa just to name a few leaving the ground physically sick even though at times playing some okay football just squandering some very good leads, Horrible feeling come FT.

I am one of probably many on this board who has seen us lose constantly under a TP side get blown away and an easy 3 points for hes stoke/palace sides but mainly stoke sides over the years 1-0 wins yearly coming off so and so backside after we have good possession and looked pretty, Stoke fans laughing in our face year on year again horrible feeling.

What we have is a guy who will get results he will look at that squad next week and decide whether he needs new additions to keep us in this league the guy today made Kemp and Peace move there bums he wasnt scared he got them off there seat whether it was for kemp to shimmy through and JP making way, The guy doesn't officially start until tomorrow but he was involved today he wanted to get among them and reward the fans who have paid 46 pound per ticket i respect that immensely this man wanted a result, I personally warmed to the guy today just from watching him in the stand.

We have a guy who when we lose or god forbid give up i think these players will be scared to get in the dressing room and not just for the showers, This guy screams of better and is ruthless in succeeding which when it includes the football club i love i don't have a problem with, What we might sacrifice is a good footballing style at times but after two years i think i am ready to see a man who wants to grind out results isn't afraid to voke an opinion and who desperately wants to do well and get the best out of this group players.

Going home every week saying we played well after a loss makes us look inferior and minor i personally think a guy who wants to get results and isnt afriad of upsetting the wagon is something we need at the moment.

Welcome aboard mister Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 01, 2015, 08:25:59 PM
Nice to see him taking control today and we were a much better team second half for it as well.

Title will be changed of the thread as well  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 01, 2015, 08:31:29 PM
Have to agee with (Super) BobTaylor

Every managerial appointment will be a risk but with Tony Pulis on board the odds of PL survival have dramatically swung in our favour

He appears to have already galvanised the club and he's only been sitting in the stands - here's to a very happy (and prosperous) New Year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 01, 2015, 08:35:07 PM
His "Style" Is IMHO irrelevant. If he can makes us serious buggers to play that is all. All this airy fairy rubbish about "flowing etc ect" A La Mowbray and the dreams of old ...are just that now. We need to be a hard place to come.
We won the FA Cup with defenders and mid that would take you to hell screaming! And forwards that could take anything like the same.
The game is different but the tactician will overcome.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 01, 2015, 08:48:12 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on January 01, 2015, 08:35:07 PM
His "Style" Is IMHO irrelevant. If he can makes us serious buggers to play that is all. All this airy fairy rubbish about "flowing etc ect" A La Mowbray and the dreams of old ...are just that now. We need to be a hard place to come.
We won the FA Cup with defenders and mid that would take you to hell screaming! And forwards that could take anything like the same.
The game is different but the tactician will overcome.
Love it..................and you are 100% spot on. Williams, Fraser, Talbot, Kaye.............NO PRISONERS !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 01, 2015, 08:51:56 PM
Quote from: Greenock Baggie on January 01, 2015, 08:48:12 PM
Love it..................and you are 100% spot on. Williams, Fraser, Talbot, Kaye.............NO PRISONERS !!!
Indeed.I often think of you on your "Scooter" When in a howling gale on a hill or a mountain! With my ski groups and tell them of you!! Grit and Guile no feckin airy fairy. The Fairies win feck all in the Prem as we saw under TM.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 01, 2015, 08:57:22 PM
Quote from: Greenock Baggie on January 01, 2015, 08:48:12 PM
Love it..................and you are 100% spot on. Williams, Fraser, Talbot, Kaye.............NO PRISONERS !!!

Barlow, Setters, Drury, Wile, Colqhoun, Robertson, Giles, Robson, etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong, when successful we've always has tough uncompromising midfielders and central defenders - who could play a bit as well, what's wrong with being strong and skillful?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 01, 2015, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on January 01, 2015, 08:57:22 PM
Barlow, Setters, Drury, Wile, Colqhoun, Robertson, Giles, Robson, etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong, when successful we've always has tough uncompromising midfielders and central defenders - who could play a bit as well, what's wrong with being strong and skillful?

I'd include one of my all time favourites Len Cantello, I'm sure other Baggies fans can add to this list.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 01, 2015, 09:02:37 PM
Welcome Mr. Pulis and the best of luck to you.

With one stroke JP has solved a lot of problems that has plagued us for years. Here is a domestic coach with the credentials to take us forward as a club and a personality the players simply cannot freeze out, ignore, or butter up to. The players, this time, know if they try anything cute it is them who will be out on their ear, not the coach. This wasn't the case with the previous three coaches and it would have been a potential issue with Sherwood as his relative inexperience would have given the players a potential excuse to keep dallying.

Also we finally have a footballing personality to make up for the loss of Dan Ashworth. Hopefully TP will play decent football with us, but at this point, short term, the overriding focus simply has to be to sort out our rotten/soft squad and get the players playing properly again and COMPETE as opposed to merely show up for an easy pay check.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 01, 2015, 09:15:22 PM
Totally agree about the players being out on there ear if they play up and not the coach this time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 01, 2015, 09:26:09 PM
Quote from: GrGr on January 01, 2015, 09:02:37 PM
Welcome Mr. Pulis and the best of luck to you.

With one stroke JP has solved a lot of problems that has plagued us for years. Here is a domestic coach with the credentials to take us forward as a club and a personality the players simply cannot freeze out, ignore, or butter up to. The players, this time, know if they try anything cute it is them who will be out on their ear, not the coach. This wasn't the case with the previous three coaches and it would have been a potential issue with Sherwood as his relative inexperience would have given the players a potential excuse to keep dallying.

Also we finally have a footballing personality to make up for the loss of Dan Ashworth. Hopefully TP will play decent football with us, but at this point, short term, the overriding focus simply has to be to sort out our rotten/soft squad and get the players playing properly again and COMPETE as opposed to merely show up for an easy pay check.
I think so.He will set us hard to beat. That to me is the start.Always has been.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Rheneas on January 01, 2015, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on January 01, 2015, 08:08:15 PM

We have a guy who when we lose or god forbid give up i think these players will be scared to get in the dressing room

You're not wrong there mate.

I've just seen a picture of his number 2, Kemp as well.  He looks like he's built like a brick out-house and his stare could stop a charging rhino. No way I'd want to be on the wrong side of those two, but they're also just the kind of blokes you want  backing you up in a fight. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on January 01, 2015, 10:15:11 PM
Sorry if already been spoken about... Watched the game on a live stream today
hopefully will be shown on motd, TP getting very involved even when he's supposed
to be watching from the stands, sent his number 2 down to give instructions to
Downing & co on for than one occasion. I believe he instigated Yacob coming on to the pitch. Was very
entertaining to see. like having him here already!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBARoberts on January 02, 2015, 12:08:22 AM
Quote from: liam-zuiverloon on January 01, 2015, 10:15:11 PM
Sorry if already been spoken about... Watched the game on a live stream today
hopefully will be shown on motd, TP getting very involved even when he's supposed
to be watching from the stands, sent his number 2 down to give instructions to
Downing & co on for than one occasion. I believe he instigated Yacob coming on to the pitch. Was very
entertaining to see. like having him here already!

They showed that on MOTD - was great to see. Wants to get started and obviously already has plenty to say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 02, 2015, 12:49:28 AM
You can see that he is totally committed - sitting in the stands on a watching brief and having to get stuck in. Also loved Savage's comment on MOTD about guaranteed not to go down. Take nothing for granted but I really don't think we could've hoped for a better appointment.

Re. style: the nature of our goal today - a ball out of defence by Dozza to Saido who shifted it to Sess before receiving the return and finishing with aplomb- will hopefully show him our strengths and show that swift counter attacking a la palace is the way to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on January 02, 2015, 12:56:39 AM
Well done to Peace for the first time in a while. Just put some proper blue stripes on our shirts and you will have righted a lot of your recent wrongs.

Oh and some money to spend in January would be nice.

On a different note, who was the guy sitting immediately to Pulis's right, in between Pulis and Kemp/Burton?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on January 02, 2015, 12:58:22 AM
Quote from: Mikkyk on January 02, 2015, 12:56:39 AM
Well done to Peace for the first time in a while. Just put some proper blue stripes on our shirts and you will have righted a lot of your recent wrongs.

Oh and some money to spend in January would be nice.

On a different note, who was the guy sitting immediately to Pulis's right, in between Pulis and Kemp/Burton?

Antony Pulis, his son.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on January 02, 2015, 01:08:06 AM
Quote from: addy on January 02, 2015, 12:58:22 AM
Antony Pulis, his son.

Is that just an "I'm bringing my son along" or is he going to be involved in our setup in some way?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on January 02, 2015, 01:13:27 AM
Quote from: Mikkyk on January 02, 2015, 01:08:06 AM
Is that just an "I'm bringing my son along" or is he going to be involved in our setup in some way?

Not sure actually his son is actually looking to get into coaching atm. Doubt with us though dunno.

Think he coaching with Orlando City at the moment after retiring from playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on January 02, 2015, 06:21:15 AM
Welcome Tony

I honestly thought I would never say that....

I never wanted or liked AI being appointed and while I had moments of warming to him, I am very happy he is gone.

As for Mr Pulis, well I never thought I would ever get to a point where his appointment would actually excite me but it has.

After the last 18-24 months we really need a Leader of his caliber to clean up the mess that we have become...

He will get my 100% support... I amazed I just said that :)





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 02, 2015, 08:04:21 AM
He was involved alot in the 2nd half, and he didnt need to be, he could have easily have stayed, watched the game, and gone home and decided what to do.

Instead, he noticed what wasnt going right, got instructions sent down, and I believe the Yacob sub was his instruction, and Sess staying on the pitch was also his doing.

How often have we seen Sess last 70 minutes, yet yesterday he lasted 90 and was a useful outlet late in the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 02, 2015, 08:40:06 AM
Not been on here for about a week so a lots happened. Glad Irvine is gone, and never thought I'd say it but we needed Pulis and I'm glad we've got him. Sadly, 6 months too late. Either way it s a good appointment.

For the first time after reading manager quotes I was up for the game. Pulis spoke of Unity and togetherness and I think he will deliver. Bit of belief restored.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
Welcome to the Albion Tone, go sort them out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2015, 09:10:41 AM
Brunt is licking ass already I notice. Take the armband off him Tone and give it to Lescott.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 02, 2015, 09:19:43 AM
When I heard about TP making the subs and already the subs Yesterday and speaking to them at half time. Did Roy speak to the players before or at half time when we had that 3-3 with West Ham?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2015, 09:24:30 AM
I don't care if any of the Kiely, Downing or Kelly were offended by TP's input yesterday. It's his team now and that input may well have secured us a valuable point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 02, 2015, 09:46:42 AM
Quote from: BB74 on January 02, 2015, 09:10:41 AM
Brunt is licking ass already I notice. Take the armband off him Tone and give it to Lescott.

Just read that, expect to see a couple more players releasing statements about how good a manager TP is and how enjoyable training is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on January 02, 2015, 09:48:19 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on January 02, 2015, 09:46:42 AM
Just read that, expect to see a couple more players releasing statements about how good a manager TP is and how enjoyable training is.

Makes you wonder if they actually liked irvine!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 02, 2015, 09:51:33 AM
Does anybody know what time the press conference is?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2015, 09:57:17 AM
Quote from: lewisant on January 02, 2015, 09:51:33 AM
Does anybody know what time the press conference is?

The unveiling of Pulis along with Crouch, Whelan and Adam?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 02, 2015, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: BB74 on January 02, 2015, 09:57:17 AM
The unveiling of Pulis along with Crouch, Whelan and Adam?  ;D

And Huth...that's the one!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on January 02, 2015, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: lewisant on January 02, 2015, 09:51:33 AM
Does anybody know what time the press conference is?
1.30 I think
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on January 02, 2015, 10:15:14 AM
Quote from: GrGr on January 01, 2015, 09:02:37 PM
Welcome Mr. Pulis and the best of luck to you.

With one stroke JP has solved a lot of problems that has plagued us for years. Here is a domestic coach with the credentials to take us forward as a club and a personality the players simply cannot freeze out, ignore, or butter up to. The players, this time, know if they try anything cute it is them who will be out on their ear, not the coach. This wasn't the case with the previous three coaches and it would have been a potential issue with Sherwood as his relative inexperience would have given the players a potential excuse to keep dallying.

Also we finally have a footballing personality to make up for the loss of Dan Ashworth. Hopefully TP will play decent football with us, but at this point, short term, the overriding focus simply has to be to sort out our rotten/soft squad and get the players playing properly again and COMPETE as opposed to merely show up for an easy pay check.

Top, top post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ste1987 on January 02, 2015, 10:29:27 AM

I notice the club captain is already up Puli's backside trying to make sure he keeps his place.

One word of warning, Mr. Brunt.

Pulis doesn't like talking - I likes it when players walk the walk.

Improve, or you're out!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2015, 10:31:57 AM
Quote from: BB74 on January 02, 2015, 09:10:41 AM
Brunt is licking ass already I notice. Take the armband off him Tone and give it to Lescott.



i noticed that ;D wasnt he singing Irvines prasies last week
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 02, 2015, 10:39:49 AM
At the moment he is still club captain and has to give interviews to the website and press. What would you expect him to say? "I didn't want Al to go and I've never been keen on hoofball but I'll give him a chance and maybe he will get us playing football in a decent style"?

It seems to me that some people just want to have a go at Brunt for any reason they can possibly find.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on January 02, 2015, 10:46:25 AM
Quote from: lewisant on January 02, 2015, 09:51:33 AM
Does anybody know what time the press conference is?
hopefully not to long after it will be announced kelly and downing go aswell
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2015, 10:48:31 AM
Brunt has not performed since he got given the armband
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Stroller on January 02, 2015, 10:49:48 AM
Also known as hand-kissing, or ring-kissing...
(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb480/alastairsmith999/AttheHawthorns-2Jan15_zpsa3c08b2c.jpg)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 02, 2015, 10:50:21 AM
Quote from: Londonbaggymike on January 02, 2015, 10:39:49 AM
At the moment he is still club captain and has to give interviews to the website and press. What would you expect him to say? "I didn't want Al to go and I've never been keen on hoofball but I'll give him a chance and maybe he will get us playing football in a decent style"?

It seems to me that some people just want to have a go at Brunt for any reason they can possibly find.

I agree with you but its true that there has been way too much talking a good game for a long while, Mr Pulis will not be swayed by such platitudes.

On a side note, JP had a big smile on his face yesterday chatting to Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 02, 2015, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: The Stroller on January 02, 2015, 10:49:48 AM
Also known as hand-kissing, or ring-kissing...
(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb480/alastairsmith999/AttheHawthorns-2Jan15_zpsa3c08b2c.jpg)

Very good, made me laugh!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 02, 2015, 10:54:19 AM
Not sure what people really expect. He's captain and so obviously gives his backing to the new guy.

Pulis will see through the bullsh*t though, so it's fine
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 02, 2015, 11:37:22 AM
Got thinking about Pulis and his visits with Stoke , for obvious reasons I've mentally buried most of them. ;D
One time that does stick in my mind was a 1-0 home defeat on a Bank Hoilday weekend , if i remember right they came with a huge amount of injuries and stuck the reserve right back up front having him run his heart out (Shotton i think was his name) ....we couldn't break them down at all and Shotton tapped home after a mix up for our usual defeat. I hope we become that mentally strong!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on January 02, 2015, 12:10:09 PM
I remember watching the Stoke back line under Pulis - they were so impressive - always stuck together and kept a fantastically we'll-disciplined shaped. It looked almost impossible to penetrate without getting caught off-side. They broke with such pace with big Jones upfront - that style of play can be very exciting. Not unlike us under Megson when we had  Jason Roberts upfront.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dangerman on January 02, 2015, 12:53:58 PM
Will there be anywhere we can listen/watch the press conference this afternoon?

I'd be interested to hear what ideas Pulis has and how positive he is about the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2015, 01:17:26 PM
First training ground pictures courtesy of the E&S.

What a bunch of clowns. What do Sessègnon and Berahino look like wrapped up like that!!!

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2015/01/02/in-pictures-tony-pulis-takes-charge-of-albion-training/soccer-barclays-premier-league-tony-pulis-takes-first-training-session-as-new-head-coach-of-west-bromwich-albion-5/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2015/01/02/in-pictures-tony-pulis-takes-charge-of-albion-training/soccer-barclays-premier-league-tony-pulis-takes-first-training-session-as-new-head-coach-of-west-bromwich-albion-5/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: staticboy on January 02, 2015, 01:40:56 PM
Press conference is live on Sky at 2.30 I believe
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 02, 2015, 01:46:02 PM
Quote from: Morany on January 02, 2015, 11:51:22 AM
Yes pretty sure Foster came rushing out and Shotton scored. That was a terrible day
Think Foster bottled it last minute and allowed him to get a toe poke in. Really felt like we were cursed against them that day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on January 02, 2015, 02:16:17 PM
Having been up the ground this morning and seeing lots if people getting tickets for tomorrow and judging the mood on here over the last few days it seems like a massive cloud as been lifted from over the hawthorns, and at the moment it is beginning to feel good to be a baggie again!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 02, 2015, 02:17:45 PM
PRESS CONFERENCE AT 2.30PM ON SKY SPORTS 1
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 02, 2015, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: BB74 on January 02, 2015, 01:17:26 PM
First training ground pictures courtesy of the E&S.

What a bunch of clowns. What do Sessègnon and Berahino look like wrapped up like that!!!

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2015/01/02/in-pictures-tony-pulis-takes-charge-of-albion-training/soccer-barclays-premier-league-tony-pulis-takes-first-training-session-as-new-head-coach-of-west-bromwich-albion-5/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2015/01/02/in-pictures-tony-pulis-takes-charge-of-albion-training/soccer-barclays-premier-league-tony-pulis-takes-first-training-session-as-new-head-coach-of-west-bromwich-albion-5/)

What a bunch of tossers. Sums up in one picture EVERYTHING that is wrong with Professional football of today. If I was Pulis I'd tear all that rubbish away from their head and faces. It's not even bloody cold today! Were they not intending to do anything to actually warm up in training?? They are supposed to be professional athletes for gods sake, not a bunch of bloody gangsters! Just imagine what Hagan would have done with that lot in the winter of 1964.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on January 02, 2015, 02:26:13 PM
Quote from: Greenock Baggie on January 02, 2015, 02:17:45 PM
PRESS CONFERENCE AT 2.30PM ON SKY SPORTS 1

Is this the first time Sky Sports have televised our new managerial/head coach appointment live? If it is it signals the significance of the appointment,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 02, 2015, 02:28:13 PM
No doubt the appointment of Tony Pulis will, positively, raise the profile of West Bromwich Albion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on January 02, 2015, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...
maybe not welcome at the hawthorns by you, but he is by a load more of us and if he gets them playing and keeps us up i will be more than happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on January 02, 2015, 02:45:20 PM
Quote from: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories.

My friend from Palace fan site 'The Eagles Beak' has just sent across a piece for our site telling of how Pulis worked wonders for them tactically and how the days of his 'long ball football' are long gone. I mean most people will tell you that anyway. And so what if we have to be more direct sometimes?

The reason he got abuse from Albion fans in the past was because we hated the fact we couldn't get one over on them. The bloke knew exactly how to beat us not just because of their style but by capitalising on our weaknesses.

Some characters in football are loved if they're yours but loathed if they're not. Pulis could well be one example of this.

Wins keep us in the Premier League and some of the stuff I've seen on this board is almost laughable. One post I came across was saying they'd prefer us to go down over having Pulis as Head Coach. Really?

We must adapt to the times, we aren't Barcelona and we probably aren't going to stay up this season now trying to play pretty football against all of our opponents. Pulis has a job to do, and I along with plenty of other Baggies fans think he will succeed.

COYB.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 02:45:39 PM
Quote from: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...

Nothing to do with being a hypocrite or selling souls.

Times change and at this time we need someone strong in that dressing room. Things have got complacent and seems a very comfortable environment for some and it needs shaking up. Hopefully he is the man to do it and get us on a base to build on.

He has been given abuse and rightly so but he also showed at Palace he is not only a route one manager, time will tell but it could be great appointment and could also be a disaster, time will tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 02, 2015, 02:47:50 PM
Quote from: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...

I've always rated Pulis, so how is welcoming a TOP manager to the club selling your soul?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 02, 2015, 02:50:41 PM
I've got reservations myself, but TBH I like what I'm hearing, & I'ts a measure of the man, that he's going to take his time & make informed decisions on the futures of both players & backroom staff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: richjonawba on January 02, 2015, 02:51:55 PM
Enjoyed that press conference.

Confidence is a very important thing in football, as it is in life in general when wanting to succeed, and Tony Pulis is a man who exudes confidence and this will rub off on the players. This is something Irvine lacked for me, as good a coach as Irvine may be, he just didnt seem to instil this confidence in our players. It's something Pulis himself alluded to in the press conference, our players just don't seem to have much confidence in the forward areas and this I feel is something Pulis will bring to us.

Interestingly he also said we need to bring in two or three players during the window, that suggests we will be offloading a few also.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bob on January 02, 2015, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...

He got loads of abuse as he always used to get one over on us.

I can't think of any manager more suited to keeping us up this season. If he can't do it then we do have serious problems.

Hopefully people like you who constantly slag the club of are in the minority and most of us get behind him and do our part in helping keep the Baggies up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tucka9 on January 02, 2015, 02:53:05 PM
I thought he spoke quite well, reading between the lines sounded like there's a few players he wouldn't want and a few players he wants to come in which is a plus.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 02, 2015, 03:03:44 PM
Quote from: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...

Dont see anyone selling their soul.

As a club we are currently only going one way and have been for a while, backwards.

Hodgson gave us stability and a real geniune belief that we not only deserved to be in the premier league, but that we deserved to actually put up a fight and achieve good league positions.

Since Hodgson has left I havent felt positive about the new coaches we have had, Mel was the only coach since then that made me actually warm to his philosphies, whether that be because he didnt get the full backing or whatever else is for a different topic.

This season from the appointment of AI, to the protests for Season ticket refunds, the way we have played, tactics, formations and various other reasons, alot of fans patience have worn thin, few people on here have admitted to turning their backs on going to games for the first time in 10,20,30 years.

We have since appointed Pulis, and the buzz around the appointment and the lift it has given us fans is clear to see. You only have to look on  the pre match chat against Gateshead to see how many people have brought tickets to go watch tomorows game now, all because of appointing a manager many fans TRUST to get the best out of our football club.

As a baggies fan, all I want is for my team to do well, to fight and battle on the pitch, attempt to play some decent football at times, put up a challenge against the so called bigger teams, and just enjoy watching my team play.

I havent had that luxury in the last 2 seaons, but do I think Pulis can provide the above, yes I do, and I guarantee theres many more albion fans who believe that too.

Pulis already has the fans backing, something which AI didnt, and I for one wish him all the best in his time at WBA.

Boing Boing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 02, 2015, 03:09:15 PM
Good luck to the bloke . Best appointment at this given time . We need strength and confidence . Our season starts a week tomorrow .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 02, 2015, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...
It's all about timing 2 years ago I wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole, but since then 2 things have happened:

1) We have gotten progressively worse, both on the pitch and off it
2) Tony Pulis has proved that, rather than be a one trick pony who only knows long ball, he is actually a very astute and intelligent manager who given the right group of players, can play attacking free flowing football whilst remaining tight defensively.

Accepting him is not selling your soul, it's accepting the right appointment at the right time. A square peg in a square hole.
There was, and is, no Irvine shaped hole.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 03:36:43 PM
Quote from: Bob on January 02, 2015, 02:52:11 PM
He got loads of abuse as he always used to get one over on us.

I can't think of any manager more suited to keeping us up this season. If he can't do it then we do have serious problems.

Hopefully people like you who constantly slag the club of are in the minority and most of us get behind him and do our part in helping keep the Baggies up.

I have never slagged the club I have loved for 55 years, I have consistently been a critic of our Chairman's motives,  which have been noted on this forum and I feel are accurate.
As for Pullis let's wait and see, but I won't change my opinions on him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 02, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
Quote from: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 03:36:43 PM
I have never slagged the club I have loved for 55 years, I have consistently been a critic of our Chairman's motives,  which have been noted on this forum and I feel are accurate.
As for Pullis let's wait and see, but I won't change my opinions on him.
Why wait and see if you're not going to change your opinion?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bob on January 02, 2015, 03:49:52 PM
Quote from: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 03:36:43 PM
I have never slagged the club I have loved for 55 years, I have consistently been a critic of our Chairman's motives,  which have been noted on this forum and I feel are accurate.
As for Pullis let's wait and see, but I won't change my opinions on him.

I think we've all heard your one eyed opinions. It would be more credible if the club/chairman we praised for the good things rather than just lambasted for the things you think they have got wrong.

The last statement says it all. Even if a miracle happened and he got us into the Champions League positions you've already admitted you wouldn't change your mind
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 02, 2015, 03:52:17 PM
All this anti Pulis stuff is beyond me. The abuse he got was because he was good and successful at what he did, which therefore resulted in us being beaten more often than not. Not a match goes by without Jose Mourinho being abused in song by opposition supporters. Is that because he is rubbish and fans don't like his style of football? I think not! It's all about jealousy and wishing that their own club had someone as cunning and knowledgeable about how to get results in the face of adversity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on January 02, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on January 02, 2015, 02:45:20 PM
Some characters in football are loved if they're yours but loathed if they're not. Pulis could well be one example of this.

COYB.

Neil Warnock being one (though in all fairness if we had appointed him I would have never gone back) Fan slagged the club of the Head Coach/Manager things Well we now have a manager. People say he won't play "The Albion Way" He hasn't had a team kick a ball yet offically! Stoke came up when Mowbray won the Championship and have stayed comfortably up ever since. We've won less than 20 games at home in the last 2 years. Hopefully he can sort us out to stay up No team has a right to the Prem but rather be in there. than the championship. That's what I'd like in a ideal world to be comfortably mid table and maybe have another Cup run. That's the future though Good luck Mr Pulis 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 02, 2015, 04:20:27 PM
To be fair, from his press conference today, I saw a very mature & measured Tony Pulis, not at all what I expected. What came over was a man who knew little about WBAFC & was asking for time to find out before he made decisions. Got to say, I'm on board with that.
The most telling comment for me was his statement about the relationship between "Manager & Chairman". As I understand it, he will be responsible to Terry Burton, with a dotted line responsibility to Richard Garlick. So I think we should stand by for a power struggle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 02, 2015, 04:33:50 PM
I think this is a fantastic appointment. I can’t understand what people who are against his appointment want. I get fed up with people who just moan for the sake of it.
All those who rave about Hodgson for instance. He was very defensive and regimented. His win % is very similar to Pulis and only marginally better with good players at Liverpool.
Who else did people want? Martinez, Brendon Rogers? Some people need to grow up and get real. This is premier league football. If you don’t like Pulis don’t come to the games, carry on whinging from your computer while the rest of us get on and support the club. Some people just have a moaning mind set. No matter who we would have got they would criticise. I have never liked Roy Keane but I would have had him play for us in a heart beat. He play in a so called cultured way but it was his passion and will to win that I want in my Albion team and Pulis will bring this. I want to be proud of my club for trying their hardest to win. Not trying to look pretty and lose.
Ask Arsenal fans would they be content to keep playing the “beautiful game” for the next 20 years and win nothing or play with players like  Keown or Bould  who are of the Pulis mould and gained many honours winning  games 1-0? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on January 02, 2015, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: charliemike on January 02, 2015, 03:09:15 PM
Good luck to the bloke . Best appointment at this given time . We need strength and confidence . Our season starts a week tomorrow .
Well it starts tomorrow for me! I agree with the comments from the likes of Merson & Savage, that say we're going to stay up now, & no I'm not just being cocky & getting complacent, it`s just that I've got so much belief in the guy! So, hopefully tomorrow will be the start of something that most Baggies fans like myself crave for ... A cup run!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on January 02, 2015, 05:11:25 PM
He's already spoken much about unity, togetherness  and making the place a fortress again - very sensible and pragmatic !

Anyone not ready to do their bit for the Club ?

I'm in !  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on January 02, 2015, 05:15:05 PM
Very impressive in his interviews today.

We should be in very capable hands if everyone at the Club does their job correctly and a few key additions PLUS the fans backing the team and coaches even if we get a few early set backs.

Wasn't going to Gateshead (with a heavy heart) after Citech and Stoke surrenders..................now you won't keep me away tomorrow as we enter a fascinating month...........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 02, 2015, 05:15:54 PM
For me the main objectives are:

1. Make the Hawthorns a fortress to which no team fancies coming, with a resulting rise in home wins/fewer defeats.

2. Make us a very tough team to beat when we play away.

3. To stop being viewed as a "too nice" team, which doesn't like a battle.

4. To get our identity back and to get the fans back on side.

Tony Pulis is capable of achieving all of this without reverting to anything like the "hoof ball"  reputation.  A bigger, stronger, faster side does not mean a team full of thugs.

For many years other clubs have "liked and respected" us.  I don't care if we are less "liked", but the "respect" must be retained.

Well done Jeremy Peace.  You've done a good job over the past few days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on January 02, 2015, 05:29:30 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 02, 2015, 02:25:43 PM
What a bunch of tossers. Sums up in one picture EVERYTHING that is wrong with Professional football of today. If I was Pulis I'd tear all that rubbish away from their head and faces. It's not even bloody cold today! Were they not intending to do anything to actually warm up in training?? They are supposed to be professional athletes for gods sake, not a bunch of bloody gangsters! Just imagine what Hagan would have done with that lot in the winter of 1964.
you'd think they'd run around like headless chickens on the pitch just to keep warm! oh yeah they do! lol I'm sure TP will sort it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 02, 2015, 05:30:15 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9629228/premier-league-new-west-brom-manager-tony-pulis-outlines-his-vision-for-the-club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 02, 2015, 05:30:25 PM
I enjoyed listening to his interviews, Pulis is a leader who will demand respect. Happy with the news that we will play a strong side against Gateshead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on January 02, 2015, 05:34:15 PM
Having watched his interviews it' strikes me what a Colossal mistake Palace have made letting him go. Hopeful he will stay for a number of years and build a legacy wher we are the no. 1 side in the midlands
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 02, 2015, 05:40:58 PM
Anyone else think the fact he wasn't able to join anyone until Jan 1st mean we've planned this quite some way in advance? Just seems a little too convenient?

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we had planned this coup all along. Back to the days of sounding out a potential replacement early on?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on January 02, 2015, 05:42:39 PM
At about 6.18 in the interview just posted on twitter - quote 'supporters come to see their team win!' what more is there to be said!
edit - shows a great sense of humour at the end!
needless to say I'm pleased Tony Pulis is manager of WBA at this time!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BRIAN on January 02, 2015, 05:49:39 PM
My award goes to "labaggies" who made my forecast right.He is the first to have a go at the new man.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 02, 2015, 06:03:04 PM
Quote from: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...

I agree with you 100%, I've slagged him & his teams off for the time wasting/cheating/bully boy/anti football tactics they've employed to beat us, so I'm not going to change my opinion (like many have) on him just because he's now our head coach, HOWEVER, like Alan Irvine before him I will give Pulis my full backing for 90 minutes each week while he holds that esteemed title.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 02, 2015, 06:08:32 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on January 02, 2015, 05:40:58 PM
Anyone else think the fact he wasn't able to join anyone until Jan 1st mean we've planned this quite some way in advance? Just seems a little too convenient?

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we had planned this coup all along. Back to the days of sounding out a potential replacement early on?

Was thinking exactly the same myself, maybe a case of JP thinking get a patsy in for a few months & the fans will be desperate for someone like Pulis, (I do love a conspiracy theory)     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on January 02, 2015, 06:11:12 PM
In Pulis we have probably found our best chance of Premier League survival.  I also suspect he potentially offers out greatest opportunity of promotion next season should he be unsuccessful in this. I certainly hope he achieves this without resorting to the one dimensional football he employed at Stoke. Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 02, 2015, 06:36:17 PM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on January 02, 2015, 06:08:32 PM
Was thinking exactly the same myself, maybe a case of JP thinking get a patsy in for a few months & the fans will be desperate for someone like Pulis, (I do love a conspiracy theory)   

Irvine was appointed before Pulis resigned. This must be seen as a massive coup for the fortune telling department.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 02, 2015, 06:40:54 PM
Quote from: Londonbaggymike on January 02, 2015, 06:36:17 PM
Irvine was appointed before Pulis resigned. This must be seen as a massive coup for the fortune telling department.

We've got a fortune telling department? thats what you call covering all base's.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliewestbrom on January 02, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
Quote from: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...

I'm with you, I am saddened by this appointment.

Although I want the club to be in the Premier League and continue to improve the squad and the club, I think the owner and directors almost deserve for the club to be relegated, in appointing their own man in the summer but not giving in him the time, and then giving Pulis, whose style of football and characters in his squad and attitude at Stoke always seemed like the antithesis of our team, a fat contract and the autonomy never afforded to his predecessors.

All Peace is doing is protecting his asset, ensuring it stays in the Premier League, the TV money keeps rolling in, his salary keeps rising and he makes a tidy sum when he finally decides to sell up.

The directors made mistakes in the summer, whether it was appointing Irvine or their scatter gun transfer policy (possibly both), which many fans pointed out, now they try to cover these mistakes by appointing Pulis, who in most circumstances would be oppugnant to fans, but now he's welcomed and the directors are praised for their effectiveness.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 02, 2015, 07:00:41 PM
Another one with this anti-football diatribe i keep seeing.

we have seen anti-football under Irvine believe me what Pulis will bring will be a million miles from what we have endured this season so far
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliewestbrom on January 02, 2015, 07:05:28 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on January 02, 2015, 07:00:41 PM
Another one with this anti-football diatribe i keep seeing.

we have seen anti-football under Irvine believe me what Pulis will bring will be a million miles from what we have endured this season so far

Fair enough on that count re: Irvine but as many fans will attest too when they think back, Pulis's Stoke boarded on anti-football and pushed some of the boundaries of sportsmanship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 07:09:23 PM
Quote from: charliewestbrom on January 02, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
I'm with you, I am saddened by this appointment.

Although I want the club to be in the Premier League and continue to improve the squad and the club, I think the owner and directors almost deserve for the club to be relegated, in appointing their own man in the summer but not giving in him the time, and then giving Pulis, whose style of football and characters in his squad and attitude at Stoke always seemed like the antithesis of our team, a fat contract and the autonomy never afforded to his predecessors.

All Peace is doing is protecting his asset, ensuring it stays in the Premier League, the TV money keeps rolling in, his salary keeps rising and he makes a tidy sum when he finally decides to sell up.

The directors made mistakes in the summer, whether it was appointing Irvine or their scatter gun transfer policy (possibly both), which many fans pointed out, now they try to cover these mistakes by appointing Pulis, who in most circumstances would be oppugnant to fans, but now he's welcomed and the directors are praised for their effectiveness.

Of course he is protecting his asset, he's a businessman.

The wrong appointment was made in the Summer and in order to try and get the club back on a sound base we've gone for an experienced bloke who is well versed as a number one in this division, something we've been crying out for whether we like him or loathe him (and most of us have over the years).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 02, 2015, 07:09:59 PM
Quote from: charliewestbrom on January 02, 2015, 07:05:28 PM
Fair enough on that count re: Irvine but as many fans will attest too when they think back, Pulis's Stoke boarded on anti-football and pushed some of the boundaries of sportsmanship.

That's true, but you can hardly say that about his more recent Palace team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 02, 2015, 07:16:43 PM
His Palace side played some brilliant football last season.

His Stoke side played some good stuff too at times, they wouldn't have got where they have without having played some decent stuff...

Yes his Stoke side played some questionable tactics at times, but were they effective?? Yes!

We can't compete financially on many levels with a lot of teams and that includes Championship sides now who have much richer owners.

We have to play effective football and make ourselves hard to beat and a team no one likes to play, Pulis will make us that team

i don't see what is wrong with that, Yes I want to be entertained, i also want too see passion and games where we gain points and not lose them easily by being a soft touch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 02, 2015, 07:34:12 PM
The fact that he used his players to get his Clubs to succeed is in my book a successful manager and that is all that matters.
It is strange that those moaning about him do not offer a credible alternative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 02, 2015, 07:43:06 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on January 02, 2015, 05:40:58 PM
Anyone else think the fact he wasn't able to join anyone until Jan 1st mean we've planned this quite some way in advance? Just seems a little too convenient?

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we had planned this coup all along. Back to the days of sounding out a potential replacement early on?

I absolutely thought this. Bang on!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on January 02, 2015, 07:44:23 PM
Too many people believe the "West Brasil" tag. Since the Giles/Atkinson team of the late seventies we have rarely seen good football. For the most part it has been hard work to watch, and this season really boring.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 02, 2015, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: charliewestbrom on January 02, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
I'm with you, I am saddened by this appointment.

Although I want the club to be in the Premier League and continue to improve the squad and the club, I think the owner and directors almost deserve for the club to be relegated, in appointing their own man in the summer but not giving in him the time, and then giving Pulis, whose style of football and characters in his squad and attitude at Stoke always seemed like the antithesis of our team, a fat contract and the autonomy never afforded to his predecessors.

All Peace is doing is protecting his asset, ensuring it stays in the Premier League, the TV money keeps rolling in, his salary keeps rising and he makes a tidy sum when he finally decides to sell up.

The directors made mistakes in the summer, whether it was appointing Irvine or their scatter gun transfer policy (possibly both), which many fans pointed out, now they try to cover these mistakes by appointing Pulis, who in most circumstances would be oppugnant to fans, but now he's welcomed and the directors are praised for their effectiveness.

Saint Irvine was too nice and the results reflected that. All winners sail close to the edge of fair play Daglish Ferguson Suarez etc etc Do you think Barcelona play this despicable football you allude to.No, But they overlook some players objectionable traits because they want to win. Its not the 1950's ( where I'm sure there were unattractive winning teams) Unfortunately in the real world the Albion can't afford too may aesthetic morals
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 02, 2015, 07:54:39 PM
I think it's a great appointment. I've never been a Pulis fan, but I'm damned sure I could be a massive one!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dangerman on January 02, 2015, 08:01:32 PM
Just listening to five live and they've just played a snipit of an interview he did this afternoon.

He did confirm he spoke to Megson and Hodgson before taking the job!

He also confirmed that he has tried on a few caps  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 02, 2015, 08:05:09 PM
Quote from: dangerman on January 02, 2015, 08:01:32 PM
Just listening to five live and they've just played a snipit of an interview he did this afternoon.

He did confirm he spoke to Megson and Hodgson before taking the job!

He also confirmed that he has tried on a few caps  ;D
And 5 minutes ago Phil Neville said on 5 Live after getting to know Pulis he was the best manager he had ever spoken to about the game. Thats a direct quote.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on January 02, 2015, 08:10:55 PM
Quote from: baggie53 on January 02, 2015, 07:44:23 PM
Too many people believe the "West Brasil" tag. Since the Giles/Atkinson team of the late seventies we have rarely seen good football. For the most part it has been hard work to watch, and this season really boring.

I agree, what is this magical football they are on about that we have been seeing since the 70's because for quite sometime now I haven't seen it at all.

Since Hodgson left the standard of football has been dire, before he came it was dire, the Albion way... laughable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 02, 2015, 08:13:44 PM
Hope everyone has praised the board for acting decisively, quickly and seamlessly in getting a man deemed 'not a good fit' for our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 02, 2015, 08:18:45 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on January 02, 2015, 08:10:55 PM
I agree, what is this magical football they are on about that we have been seeing since the 70's because for quite sometime now I haven't seen it at all.

Since Hodgson left the standard of football has been dire, before he came it was dire, the Albion way... laughable.
It wasn't always dire under Clarke, thought we played some good stuff in his first season. 5-5 against man utd one of the best matches in prem history.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2015, 08:20:08 PM
It is nice to see those that "supported" Irvine condemning others for having reservations about Pulis based on his history.

For what it is worth,  I wasn't enamoured with the appointment of Irvine but supported him (and still cannot believe some of the unwarranted vitriol that was shown towards him). I am not enamoured with the appointment of Pulis but will be supporting him from now on. He is the coach of my club.

However, I might point out the hypocrisy of some of our supporters along the way. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 08:24:07 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2015, 08:20:08 PM
It is nice to see those that "supported" Irvine condemning others for having reservations about Pulis based on his history.

For what it is worth,  I wasn't enamoured with the appointment of Irvine but supported him (and still cannot believe some of the unwarranted vitriol that was shown towards him). I am not enamoured with the appointment of Pulis but will be supporting him from now on. He is the coach of my club.

However, I might point out the hypocrisy of some of our supporters along the way. ;)

Don't be surprised if some comments get removed then. Its a forum for discussion not for some to take the moral high ground as has been the case way too often over the past few months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2015, 08:26:45 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 08:24:07 PM
Don't be surprised if some comments get removed then. Its a forum for discussion not for some to take the moral high ground as has been the case way too often over the past few months.

Make a good point, VVV has said himself in as many words he's only here to point out errors in others posts, in other words trolling. Which is a shame because his input is well worth reading at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2015, 08:27:26 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 08:24:07 PM
Don't be surprised if some comments get removed then. Its a forum for discussion not for some to take the moral high ground as has been the case way too often over the past few months.
Isn't it a forum for opinions   :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 02, 2015, 08:28:33 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2015, 08:20:08 PM
It is nice to see those that "supported" Irvine condemning others for having reservations about Pulis based on his history.

For what it is worth,  I wasn't enamoured with the appointment of Irvine but supported him (and still cannot believe some of the unwarranted vitriol that was shown towards him). I am not enamoured with the appointment of Pulis but will be supporting him from now on. He is the coach of my club.

However, I might point out the hypocrisy of some of our supporters along the way. ;)
lol...ve vees going to get ya ve vees going to get ya la la la la. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2015, 08:29:02 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2015, 08:26:45 PM
Make a good point, VVV has said himself in as many words he's only here to point out errors in others posts, in other words trolling. Which is a shame because his input is well worth reading at times.
If correcting factual inaccuracies is trolling, call me a troll.  :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 08:29:57 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2015, 08:27:26 PM
Isn't it a forum for opinions   :-*

Yes it is and even those you don't agree with are to be treated respectfully.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2015, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 08:29:57 PM
Yes it is and even those you don't agree with are to be treated respectfully.
Check my deleted bin. (Made up statistic alert) 98% respectful with 2% mocking the completely ridiculous.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stubba on January 02, 2015, 08:33:28 PM
Listen at the end end of The day Alan Irvine may have been a nice guy but sport is about winning & we weren't, the outcome was obvious relegation so we needed to act & fast & we have lets get behind TP
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2015, 08:32:41 PM
Check my deleted bin. (Made up statistic alert) 98% respectful with 2% mocking the completely ridiculous.  ;D

Check our deleted bin, I bet its bigger than yours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on January 02, 2015, 09:16:18 PM
For me, the overriding positive factor, is the palpable sense of relief among the vast majority of Albion fans that's given us all that priceless gift of uniting virtually all of the supporters.

Regardless of any misgivings from past events and era's, we all know deep down that there is no one out there better suited to manage the challenges we face over the next few months in particular, and hopefully the full timespan of his contract and beyond.

Exciting and interesting times ahead, and a monumentally astute appointment by the Albion hierarchy.

   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 02, 2015, 09:22:06 PM
Quote from: Brummie Road on January 02, 2015, 09:16:18 PM
For me, the overriding positive factor, is the palpable sense of relief among the vast majority of Albion fans that's given us all that priceless gift of uniting virtually all of the supporters.

Regardless of any misgivings from past events and era's, we all know deep down that there is no one out there better suited to manage the challenges we face over the next few months in particular, and hopefully the full timespan of his contract and beyond.

Exciting and interesting times ahead, and a monumentally astute appointment by the Albion hierarchy.

   
Good rant! I might come near you if I can get in! 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on January 02, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on January 02, 2015, 09:22:06 PM
Good rant! I might come near you if I can get in! 8)

Plenty of tickets available if you fancy the match tomorrow? You can break the habit of a lifetime and buy me a pre-match pint  ::)

As always let me know whenever you need tickets.

Great appointment, even though, worryingly, Pulis even looks a bit like you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 02, 2015, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: Brummie Road on January 02, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
Plenty of tickets available if you fancy the match tomorrow? You can break the habit of a lifetime and buy me a pre-match pint  ::)

As always let me know whenever you need tickets.

Great appointment, even though, worryingly, Pulis even looks a bit like you.
Working mate!! The Ski industry does not run well with football!! Got my annual day off Sunday!
I think Tony Pulis is the very best for us.I cannot think of anyone better. I am surprised the deal was done so quickly as he is no fool and wants his way?He left Palace as he could not do so?

I don't think he is as good looking as me mind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
What a difference a week can make for moral, this is all very encouraging. Can't wait for the hull game and I haven't said that at all this season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 11:36:51 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on January 02, 2015, 08:13:44 PM
Hope everyone has praised the board for acting decisively, quickly and seamlessly in getting a man deemed 'not a good fit' for our club.
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I find that statement objectionable, my opinion is that Peace after years of shocking appointments, has appointed a questionable Head Coach, a man who has been ridiculed by the majority over a number of years.
Appointing Pullis can never be described as creative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 02, 2015, 11:44:46 PM
labaggies...Doubting Thomas?

I hope you are proved wrong.
Maybe not Corberan, but we need help and guidance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on January 02, 2015, 11:45:19 PM
Is there a book being taken ?when the 1st post will be posted about our style of Football under Pulis . Can see it now " This football is boring under Pulis"  Only jesting COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 02, 2015, 11:49:00 PM
If Pulis was coming here straight from Stoke I'd be very concerned about the style of play. But he did turn palace into a team who played well.

I did object to start with, but now here's here he gets my support and I hope to be impressed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 02, 2015, 11:53:55 PM
All football as in life, is a learning curve.
TP is also learning the pluses.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 03, 2015, 12:50:39 AM
Quote from: charlebaggie on January 02, 2015, 11:45:19 PM
Is there a book being taken ?when the 1st post will be posted about our style of Football under Pulis . Can see it now " This football is boring under Pulis"  Only jesting COYB

About two minutes past three tomorrow by some armchair warrior I'd reckon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 03, 2015, 01:03:23 AM
Unfortunately some people think there word or opinion is gospel that's were most arguments start, we all have our own views no one's right, Noticed bit arrogance or ignorance lately on here shame we can't debate without people crossing the line and turning petty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chinawhite on January 03, 2015, 01:28:22 AM
im sure some people are forgetting we had 2 years of utter pooh now we have a bloke who wont take pooh from the players . you think we played free flowing football in the last 4/5 years . under hodgson we were hard to beat and disciplined we will be the same with pulis .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on January 03, 2015, 01:43:10 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
What a difference a week can make for moral, this is all very encouraging. Can't wait for the hull game and I haven't said that at all this season

That's a important point, moral on here has lifted, hopefully it will in the stands and give the players a boost and so on....

The psychological side of football is greatly under estimated. We saw recently with AI that the fans behaviour does have an impact on the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 03, 2015, 02:18:34 AM
Quote from: charlebaggie on January 02, 2015, 11:45:19 PM
Is there a book being taken ?when the 1st post will be posted about our style of Football under Pulis . Can see it now " This football is boring under Pulis"  Only jesting COYB

We have had sh*t football for 2 years and risk relegation as a result of bad management. Time for someone competent to sort out the rot so we can move forward at last. Sherwood, who was the alternative, would have been yet another unproven gamble at best, the previous three gambles having worked out less than ideally to put it diplomatically.

I have always maintained that Albion needs to play good, high tempo attacking football but that has to be built on a basis of competency. TP at the very least is a competent Premier League manager. Once he has sorted us out THEN I will start to look how the club is progressing. But first is to stop the rot that started under Clarke (even Hodgson possibly) and has gripped the club ever since. 

To be extremely frank, I am tired of having idiots in charge who make obvious and stupid mistakes time and time again. Even when Pulis was at Stoke he always knew exactly the game plan our coaches would come up with and had no trouble negating them. I hated Pulis's Stoke "football" but at least he is intelligent and Palace showed that he is not a one trick hoof pony only. Pulis will get the job done short term and hopefully lay the foundation for a positive progress for our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Cornwallbaggie on January 03, 2015, 03:57:08 AM
Hopefully we'll also have a better transfer policy now. I remember a few weeks ago when TP was a stand-in pundit on Sky's Soccer Saturday. He was totally incredulous that Albion would spend 10m on a player (Ideye) who they'd only seen on a dvd. He implied he wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole.

Any future signings (and departures) will be well researched, priority-focused and pragmatic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jack Thrust on January 03, 2015, 07:36:55 AM
Well personally I am very, very happy with this appointment.

I've just been watching the interviews and the press conference with him and one thing that stands out for me is his total focus on winning matches. He is very clear what he wants. I think recently we have suffered from being a bit wishy-washy in our outlook both on and off the pitch and focus is something we really need.

Also nice to see him not trotting out the usual platitudes, he seems very much his own man. I am now feeling a lot more confident than I have at any point since Roy left, I am actually looking forward to matches now!

Really wish I didn't have to work today so I could be there to get behind the lads and Tony, things are looking up Baggies long may it continue!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dangerman on January 03, 2015, 09:01:14 AM
Just heard Kemp on talk sport.

He said their main aim this season is to stay up and moving forward to compete in the premier league and hopefully win some trophies. He specifically mentioned the FA Cup which was nice to hear.

They asked him if Berahino would be an Albion player at the end of the window and he didn't really answer the question and would guess by the way he avoided the question that there is potential that he is leaving this window.

He also said they're hopeful of adding to the squad this window as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 03, 2015, 09:26:57 AM
There's a decent article in the Birmingham Mail, suggesting he wants to bring a couple of players in. Getting a good wad for Saido would certainly help to fund that.
Apart from getting them off the wages bill, I can't see many others that a) clubs would want & b) would want to pay a lot of money for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mrmojorisin on January 03, 2015, 10:55:35 AM
Tony Pulis has been in post for only a couple of days and he has already done more straight talking and made more pertinent and realistic comments than we have heard from a head coach in the past two years.

I have confidence from hearing him and his track record that he will get this club turned around.  I am not so confident that he has enough time to avoid relegation but we do know he will give it a damn good try.  If we do go down then I can think of no one better to get us back up.

I expect also to see him cull a lot of the dead wood, possibly in January (if anyone will buy the buggers) but certainly at the end of the season, wherever we are.

A couple of months I posted that I had become indifferent and disinterested with the Albion.  The appointment of TP has reinvigorated me!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 03, 2015, 11:19:59 AM
Appointing Tony Pulis has many similarities of when we appointed Ron Atkinson first time round (1978). After about 18 successful  months in charge, John Giles shocked everyone by announcing he was leaving, Ronnie Allen took over and then decided after 6 months he was leaving for pastures green, the club was in a spin and unstable and fans were depressed.

Enter stage left "Big Ron", and he made the place rock, he raised the profile of West Bromwich Albion like never before, we were always featured on the back pages of daily and local papers being linked with this player, that player and of course our "Champaign Style of Football", which all gave the club and supporters belief and momentum and, as they say, the rest is history and probable the best it has ever has been.

Now I'm not saying TP will reach the heights of the late 70's early 80's, although I hope he does, but he is a character he is enthusiastic, determined, a motivator and nothing sells or rubs off more than enthusiasm. There's a lot more required as well, but in TP I believe we have the right man for the job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 03, 2015, 11:38:51 AM
I've been against his appointment but of course I will back him, and so far I think he has spoken very well. He made a slightly cryptic comment in the presser about knowing whats happened in the last year or two and relating that to transfers - so who knows but maybe he already has a clear idea where the trouble makers are and has plans to move them on.

I imagine that within football, the rumours are fairly rife and I bet that the players reaction to Clarke, Mel and Irvine are well known within the business.

Wouldn't surprise me if there were a few shocks in terms of departures - not because of the quality of the player but because of their behaviour and influence within the team. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 03, 2015, 11:55:27 AM
Pleased to see that TP consulted Roy Hodgson, Dan Ashworth, Gary Megson, and even AI about the club.
Very pleased to hear that his good friend Gary Megson, called Albion "a wonderful club".
Class is permanent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 03, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
His biggest ever win as a head coach /manager. But should Downing get the credit lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 03, 2015, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 03, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
His biggest ever win as a head coach /manager. But should Downing get the credit lol
LOL! Not after "Going Downstairs" after 30 mins or so!! :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: garry on January 03, 2015, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 03, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
His biggest ever win as a head coach /manager. But should Downing get the credit lol
Give Downing credit for holding Gateshead for the first 30 minutes until Pulis took over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 03, 2015, 06:30:22 PM
Downing and Kiely are GOING, you mark my words!

No I am not ITK, but I did just have a cup of tea and swished the old leaves around.... about as on the money as today's pundits were....  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on January 03, 2015, 07:35:33 PM
All the 2nd half he kept SHOUTING for our player to take their players on & get into the box & move the ball, here's to seeing the team following these instuctions.On wards & upwards lads.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 03, 2015, 07:50:55 PM
Great to see Pulis so animated on the touchline today. Reminded me alot of Gary Megson and I certainly have not seen any Manager/Head Coach act like that since Lord Megson.

Nice to hear Megson has been singing our praises to TP even though he left under a cloud and wasn't invited to the ten year bash.

Maybe Megson is after a coaching job?  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Andio on January 03, 2015, 07:54:47 PM
I could hear TP shouting over the top of the fans and I was halfway up the SME. Great to see, he put the fear of god into me lol, just what we need.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 04, 2015, 12:02:56 AM
Quote from: BB74 on January 03, 2015, 07:50:55 PM
Great to see Pulis so animated on the touchline today. Reminded me alot of Gary Megson and I certainly have not seen any Manager/Head Coach act like that since Lord Megson.

Nice to hear Megson has been singing our praises to TP even though he left under a cloud and wasn't invited to the ten year bash.

Maybe Megson is after a coaching job?  ;)
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We could do a lot worse!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on January 04, 2015, 02:03:21 AM
Quote from: garry on January 03, 2015, 05:55:23 PM
Give Downing credit for holding Gateshead for the first 30 minutes until Pulis took over.


Lol.  :D

/just holding them. Oster should've scored.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 04, 2015, 09:42:37 AM
I know its only Gatshead but I already feel so much more optimistic and confident about the rest of the season. One thing I noticed was that the players weren't pressing the ball enough in the first forty minutes. Throughout the second half non stop pressing from us not seen Brunt sprinting that much in an awful long time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on January 04, 2015, 09:46:01 AM
I was hearing a few of his former players talking about him a few days ago on the TV and they say he makes you want to play for him and each other.

Ive read elsewhere that hes tightening down on the injuries and those players injured must report 4-5 times a day for treatment and also fines will be dished out for muscle pulls (I would imagine slight ones).

Hes certainly going to make sure no one is swinging the lead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Groovephil on January 04, 2015, 10:50:15 AM
Forget the opposition but how nice was it to see a manager change the game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on January 04, 2015, 10:59:54 AM
Quote from: Groovephil on January 04, 2015, 10:50:15 AM
Forget the opposition but how nice was it to see a manager change the game

He's not prepared to sit and wait for things to happen - he sees it isn't right and blooming well fixes it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 04, 2015, 11:11:27 AM
Quote from: Dudleylad on January 04, 2015, 09:46:01 AM
I was hearing a few of his former players talking about him a few days ago on the TV and they say he makes you want to play for him and each other.

Ive read elsewhere that hes tightening down on the injuries and those players injured must report 4-5 times a day for treatment and also fines will be dished out for muscle pulls (I would imagine slight ones).

Hes certainly going to make sure no one is swinging the lead.

We might some of big vics wages back then if there are going to be fines for silly injuries
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 04, 2015, 12:09:50 PM
He has got a week to look at our players.
Sort out our strengths and instil his method of playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on January 04, 2015, 01:00:10 PM
During the game yesterday he kept calling Sess to go wide right and get the ball to him "quicker" and when he received the ball, it was "take him on! take him on!" "go on!" "Push up!"

It was also interesting to note that he kept calling Berahino in the first half but Saido didn't once look over. That changed in the second half after the hair dryer treatment in the changing room fur HT.

I think we're likely to see a lot of Mozza, Varela, McAuley and Dawson. After all their running and tackles he was applauding them and encouraging them. Great management.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Rheneas on January 04, 2015, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: 17GD on January 04, 2015, 01:00:10 PM
During the game yesterday he kept calling Sess to go wide right and get the ball to him "quicker" and when he received the ball, it was "take him on! take him on!" "go on!" "Push up!"

It was also interesting to note that he kept calling Berahino in the first half but Saido didn't once look over. That changed in the second half after the hair dryer treatment in the changing room fur HT.

I think we're likely to see a lot of Mozza, Varela, McAuley and Dawson. After all their running and tackles he was applauding them and encouraging them. Great management.

It's great to see a manager do that.

As other have said, that was a characteristic of Megson on the touchline too. I lost count of the times I heard him over the crowd noise during games barking out instructions.

I do like that engaged and proactive approach from a Boss. It rubs off on the players but it stirs the crowd as well. Terrible for the manager's blood pressure, but overall it sends the right signals out to everyone.

Come on you Baggies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 04, 2015, 03:13:29 PM
It can also have the opposite affect. Some players, especially foreigners, prefer to be 'trusted' in their play and don't like being shouted at.
 
That said, I love it  :D Great to see some passion, rather than constant watch checking...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 04, 2015, 03:37:19 PM
My dad was at the game with my sister and her husband and kids and were in the halfords behind Pulis and he said he was constantly coaching , shouting and swearing at the players..

I like to see a manager having an active game urging players on and seeing the game properly as he is involved

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 04, 2015, 06:14:58 PM
I, like a few i should imagine, wasn't going to go yesterday i am a season ticket holder and haven't been going to matches i can avoid with the rubbish i have been watching.
I have come up with the following assumptions watching yesterday:

It was a breath of fresh air watch TP on the line actually coaching during the game, we have not seen that for a few years.
The right back position is still a problem and unless Gamboa is picked we may have to get one in.
The centre of midfield is much to lightwieght with Morrison that deep can't see that lasting although much better when Yacob came on.
If Samaros is fit he could do a job for us in the number 10 position.

I had a feeling the players were still in shock and feel he may have to get a few out to get complete control of ghe dressing room , but have no doubt he will

I haven't been this excited about a appointment for years, have a good feeling he is the right man for us.






Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 05, 2015, 06:50:47 PM
Did I just hear correctly Tony Pulis lives next door to Harry on Sandbanks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 05, 2015, 06:55:02 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 05, 2015, 06:50:47 PM
Did I just hear correctly Tony Pulis lives next door to Harry on Sandbanks

He does live down that way so possibly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 05, 2015, 06:57:01 PM
Harry...Sandbanks?
I am lost. Doh!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 06, 2015, 10:54:07 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fancy-becoming-harry-redknapps-neighbour-3605813

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Tony-s-home-sweet-home/story-12557785-detail/story.html

They're not exactly next door neighbours, but they are a 10 minute stroll away from each other.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 11:28:59 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 06, 2015, 10:54:07 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fancy-becoming-harry-redknapps-neighbour-3605813

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Tony-s-home-sweet-home/story-12557785-detail/story.html

They're not exactly next door neighbours, but they are a 10 minute stroll away from each other.



One of the most expensive places to live in the world i am told
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 06, 2015, 02:26:28 PM
Been thinking about this one for the last week or so now, still not entirely made up my mind.

I think firstly nobody can criticise JP or the board in any way over this one, acted quickly, secured the number 1 target, made the concessions we needed to in order to land him.  Nobody is guaranteed to be a success or failure anywhere they go but Pulis is a near enough the best manager available for a club of our size in our position. Whilst he doesn't guarantee us staying up he shortens our odds far more than any other realistic appointment would of. He also showed at Palace he might not be quite so direct as he was at Stoke, and whilst I would disagree with some of the comment saying they played free flowing attacking football they weren't a bad side to watch. Good exciting football doesn't need to be Barcelona/Mowbray style football and an aggressive, fast paced, high tempo pressing game would be welcome down the Hawthorns.

Defensively we should be at our best since Hodgson if not better and certainly can't see us blowing any 3-0 leads at home any time soon.

However.......

The 6 months or so he had at Palace were outstanding, but we are not/should not be in the same position Palace were then. Palace were a team with Championship players, we are an established PL side with established PL players. It's been a poor 2 years but on paper that side is more than good enough to stay up comfortably and it's worth noting despite the absolute mess of the last 18 months we've still only spent about a week in the bottom 3 in that time. I don't think we can get much worse than we have been and even that's been good enough to keep us out the relegation zone and whilst the margins are fine and 16th wouldn't be disastrous right now there's no reason we should be looking to finish top 12 now.

Then there's the football he played at Stoke. I'd genuinely rather get relegated playing the way we did under Mowbray than stay up the way Stoke did. You can say you can only play to the strengths you've got and theres nothing wrong with establishing a Championship side that way for a couple of years but Pulis had 7/8 years there with the majority in the Prem and the side/style he left was barely worthy of being called football. Shortening the pitch to its minimum size, giving the ball boys towels so Delap could wipe the ball, playing for throw ins. That's not why I go to watch football games. If he brings that style rather than the Palace one it's just simply unwatchable, especially after the novelty of having someone competent in charge has worn off after 6 months.

His record in the transfer market at Stoke was absolutely appalling, 3rd highest net spenders behind City and Chelsea over a prolonged period I dont think they ever sold a player for a profit in that time and I cant remember anyone being courted by or sold to a club like Spurs, Everton or one of the top 4/5. Apparently he wanted a higher calibre player like Sigurdsson at Palace and that was why he left. If he still wants players like that (I've seen Lennon being linked) then fair enough, however if we start making moves for Huth, Adam, Whealan, Walters, Wilson etc then I will be seriously worried.

I think there's a lot of people with very short memories on here and whilst there's nothing wrong with that as such if you were to play devils advocate and we appointed him after he left Stoke I think the reaction on here would of been one of near disgust. 6 months good work at Palace does change the situation but doesnt hide his time at Stoke completely, especially the last 3 years there.

I do however think we will freshen the whole thing up (although Jewell and Francis in particular looks like something Redknapp would assemble) which is badly needed right now. Some players will get a kick and others will be moved on. Certainly nobody will be resting on their laurels now and it will be an interesting (off the pitch at least, hopefully on as well!) next 2/3 transfer windows.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 02:28:32 PM
one thing is for sure anybody coming in was better than what we had and we have a far better chance now of beating the drop
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 06, 2015, 02:32:54 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 06, 2015, 02:26:28 PM
Been thinking about this one for the last week or so now, still not entirely made up my mind.

I think firstly nobody can criticise JP or the board in any way over this one, acted quickly, secured the number 1 target, made the concessions we needed to in order to land him.  Nobody is guaranteed to be a success or failure anywhere they go but Pulis is a near enough the best manager available for a club of our size in our position. Whilst he doesn't guarantee us staying up he shortens our odds far more than any other realistic appointment would of. He also showed at Palace he might not be quite so direct as he was at Stoke, and whilst I would disagree with some of the comment saying they played free flowing attacking football they weren't a bad side to watch. Good exciting football doesn't need to be Barcelona/Mowbray style football and an aggressive, fast paced, high tempo pressing game would be welcome down the Hawthorns.

Defensively we should be at our best since Hodgson if not better and certainly can't see us blowing any 3-0 leads at home any time soon.

However.......

The 6 months or so he had at Palace were outstanding, but we are not/should not be in the same position Palace were then. Palace were a team with Championship players, we are an established PL side with established PL players. It's been a poor 2 years but on paper that side is more than good enough to stay up comfortably and it's worth noting despite the absolute mess of the last 18 months we've still only spent about a week in the bottom 3 in that time. I don't think we can get much worse than we have been and even that's been good enough to keep us out the relegation zone and whilst the margins are fine and 16th wouldn't be disastrous right now there's no reason we should be looking to finish top 12 now.

Then there's the football he played at Stoke. I'd genuinely rather get relegated playing the way we did under Mowbray than stay up the way Stoke did. You can say you can only play to the strengths you've got and theres nothing wrong with establishing a Championship side that way for a couple of years but Pulis had 7/8 years there with the majority in the Prem and the side/style he left was barely worthy of being called football. Shortening the pitch to its minimum size, giving the ball boys towels so Delap could wipe the ball, playing for throw ins. That's not why I go to watch football games. If he brings that style rather than the Palace one it's just simply unwatchable, especially after the novelty of having someone competent in charge has worn off after 6 months.

His record in the transfer market at Stoke was absolutely appalling, 3rd highest net spenders behind City and Chelsea over a prolonged period I dont think they ever sold a player for a profit in that time and I cant remember anyone being courted by or sold to a club like Spurs, Everton or one of the top 4/5. Apparently he wanted a higher calibre player like Sigurdsson at Palace and that was why he left. If he still wants players like that (I've seen Lennon being linked) then fair enough, however if we start making moves for Huth, Adam, Whealan, Walters, Wilson etc then I will be seriously worried.

I think there's a lot of people with very short memories on here and whilst there's nothing wrong with that as such if you were to play devils advocate and we appointed him after he left Stoke I think the reaction on here would of been one of near disgust. 6 months good work at Palace does change the situation but doesnt hide his time at Stoke completely, especially the last 3 years there.

I do however think we will freshen the whole thing up (although Jewell and Francis in particular looks like something Redknapp would assemble) which is badly needed right now. Some players will get a kick and others will be moved on. Certainly nobody will be resting on their laurels now and it will be an interesting (off the pitch at least, hopefully on as well!) next 2/3 transfer windows.

Good post all in all.

I quite like the look of his new coaching team, years of experience and know how available for him if needed.

The Stoke players you name, I actually wouldnt mind 1 or 2 of them here.

Like many have said, TP knows how to make a team play to its strengths, and realistically that is all the majority of albion fans want to see.

We aint all stupid enough to see that we maybe cannot play free flowing attacking football because we dont have the personal for it, but we do have the personal to become hard to beat and to trouble teams on the counter, and thats exactly how I expect us to play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 06, 2015, 02:45:45 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 06, 2015, 02:26:28 PM
Been thinking about this one for the last week or so now, still not entirely made up my mind.

I think firstly nobody can criticise JP or the board in any way over this one, acted quickly, secured the number 1 target, made the concessions we needed to in order to land him.  Nobody is guaranteed to be a success or failure anywhere they go but Pulis is a near enough the best manager available for a club of our size in our position. Whilst he doesn't guarantee us staying up he shortens our odds far more than any other realistic appointment would of. He also showed at Palace he might not be quite so direct as he was at Stoke, and whilst I would disagree with some of the comment saying they played free flowing attacking football they weren't a bad side to watch. Good exciting football doesn't need to be Barcelona/Mowbray style football and an aggressive, fast paced, high tempo pressing game would be welcome down the Hawthorns.

Defensively we should be at our best since Hodgson if not better and certainly can't see us blowing any 3-0 leads at home any time soon.

However.......

The 6 months or so he had at Palace were outstanding, but we are not/should not be in the same position Palace were then. Palace were a team with Championship players, we are an established PL side with established PL players. It's been a poor 2 years but on paper that side is more than good enough to stay up comfortably and it's worth noting despite the absolute mess of the last 18 months we've still only spent about a week in the bottom 3 in that time. I don't think we can get much worse than we have been and even that's been good enough to keep us out the relegation zone and whilst the margins are fine and 16th wouldn't be disastrous right now there's no reason we should be looking to finish top 12 now.

Then there's the football he played at Stoke. I'd genuinely rather get relegated playing the way we did under Mowbray than stay up the way Stoke did. You can say you can only play to the strengths you've got and theres nothing wrong with establishing a Championship side that way for a couple of years but Pulis had 7/8 years there with the majority in the Prem and the side/style he left was barely worthy of being called football. Shortening the pitch to its minimum size, giving the ball boys towels so Delap could wipe the ball, playing for throw ins. That's not why I go to watch football games. If he brings that style rather than the Palace one it's just simply unwatchable, especially after the novelty of having someone competent in charge has worn off after 6 months.

His record in the transfer market at Stoke was absolutely appalling, 3rd highest net spenders behind City and Chelsea over a prolonged period I dont think they ever sold a player for a profit in that time and I cant remember anyone being courted by or sold to a club like Spurs, Everton or one of the top 4/5. Apparently he wanted a higher calibre player like Sigurdsson at Palace and that was why he left. If he still wants players like that (I've seen Lennon being linked) then fair enough, however if we start making moves for Huth, Adam, Whealan, Walters, Wilson etc then I will be seriously worried.

I think there's a lot of people with very short memories on here and whilst there's nothing wrong with that as such if you were to play devils advocate and we appointed him after he left Stoke I think the reaction on here would of been one of near disgust. 6 months good work at Palace does change the situation but doesnt hide his time at Stoke completely, especially the last 3 years there.

I do however think we will freshen the whole thing up (although Jewell and Francis in particular looks like something Redknapp would assemble) which is badly needed right now. Some players will get a kick and others will be moved on. Certainly nobody will be resting on their laurels now and it will be an interesting (off the pitch at least, hopefully on as well!) next 2/3 transfer windows.
This is what worries me, especially as it seems he's going to have a lot more control than other head coaches have had.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on January 06, 2015, 02:45:45 PM
This is what worries me, especially as it seems he's going to have a lot more control than other head coaches have had.

We will be OK, Stoke was an entirely different club. They had the backing of one of the wealthiest blokes in the country, clubs knew this. That's why some of their signings didn't exactly appear great value for money, clubs knew what clout Stoke had and held out for as much as possible, making the transfer fees greatly over-inflated. That said, as a couple of other posters have mentioned, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing a couple at least of the current Stoke side at the Albion!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 06, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on January 06, 2015, 02:45:45 PM
This is what worries me, especially as it seems he's going to have a lot more control than other head coaches have had.
Yes but Huth, Adam, Whelan, Walters and Wilson were and are big players for Stoke so proof that he didn't always get it wrong.
I agree we shouldn't be courting them, just pointing out that he made some good buys in his time there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 06, 2015, 03:17:47 PM
I wouldn't worry about prices of players, Pulis may very well have final say over who we go for but JP will be in charge of the money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 06, 2015, 03:36:12 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 06, 2015, 03:17:47 PM
I wouldn't worry about prices of players, Pulis may very well have final say over who we go for but JP will be in charge of the money
LOL!! That made me chuckle mate!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 06, 2015, 03:53:10 PM
Would I rather negotiate against JP or TP??

How much Tone?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 06, 2015, 03:58:48 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 06, 2015, 03:17:47 PM
I wouldn't worry about prices of players, Pulis may very well have final say over who we go for but JP will be in charge of the money

Which is another problem in itself. Pulis spent massive money at Stoke for a club there size and wont get that kind of money anywhere else. Look at the Ideye money we spent, Pulis was signing 2 or 3 of them a summer.

Then at Palace the chairman (rightfully in my view without knowing the exact finances) refused to basically give him free reign stating the club had been in financial trouble for much of past decade and wouldn't overspend and Pulis walked out a day before the season starts. It's not to hard to imagine a similar situation happening again 12 months down the line
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 06, 2015, 04:10:09 PM
TBH, if TP walks in 12 months having swept the place clean, I wouldn't be too concerned,

Unless he's got us vying for europe and won the cup of course.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 06, 2015, 04:25:47 PM
There's 4 or 5 scenarios that could play out and only 1 that would be favourable for me

1. He stays for 2.5/3.5 years playing the kind of style he did at Palace, we end with a near complete different side from the one we have now and the club is back to being steady and organised for an experienced head coach to come in and improve the playing style further working from a solid base.

2. He stays this season, possibly next whilst keeping us up and then leaves due to a clash with Peace over finances.

3. We get relegated this season, he either leaves in the summer of rebuilds in the Championship

4. He stays for 5+ years playing the kind of football he did at Stoke.

I can't see anyone else coming in for him who would be more attractive like an Everton or Spurs unless he takes us to the top 6/7 perhaps which seems unlikely. Option 1 would be ideal and exactly what we need. Option 2 just buys us another 6/18 months before we are in the exact same position again. At some point this cycle has to end and if it's not with Pulis then I don't know who it will be. Option 3 would be awful if we were back in the Champ playing Stoke style football as would option 4.

We need this appointment to work for at least 2.5 years or no half decent manager is going to want anything to do with us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 04:35:31 PM
we all know at some stage TP & JP will fall out. TP will keep us up and get the hump probably this time next year when he gets no money. This current transfer window is a one off most likely
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 04:50:58 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 04:35:31 PM
we all know at some stage TP & JP will fall out. TP will keep us up and get the hump probably this time next year when he gets no money. This current transfer window is a one off most likely

There's nothing like being brought back down to earth!......... I think we all fear you are probably right. I sincerely hope though that we will still be marvelling in 3 or 4 years time at this most unlikely match made in heaven!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 06, 2015, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on January 06, 2015, 02:45:45 PM
This is what worries me, especially as it seems he's going to have a lot more control than other head coaches have had.

He can hardly do much worse in the transfer market than we've done as a club over the past 2 years!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 06, 2015, 06:39:56 PM
Astle1968 has hit the nail on the head for me with both of his posts.

I think on the pitch a Pulis character was a must due to the rot which has seemingly set into the football club but I do think that off the pitch this is going to be a testing time for everyone. Pulis has spoken about needing a relationship with the chairman and it will be interesting to see how that plays out given Peace's back-burner approach with Garlick and Burton heading football operations. As highlighted previously, a Pulis and Peace blowout over finances is also something I envisage happening purely because I don't see much middle ground between the two givens ones limited spending capacity and the others willingness to spend heavily.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ComebackStrodds on January 06, 2015, 06:47:50 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 04:35:31 PM
we all know at some stage TP & JP will fall out. TP will keep us up and get the hump probably this time next year when he gets no money. This current transfer window is a one off most likely

JP knows what he's letting himself in for, so any fallout they do have wont be a surprise to him. Let's wait and see as yes Pulis is a typical bullish old school manager but remember he did last almost 12 years with the clay heads. stranger things have happended. I'm trying to remain positive
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 06, 2015, 07:40:36 PM
Quote from: ComebackStrodds on January 06, 2015, 06:47:50 PM
JP knows what he's letting himself in for, so any fallout they do have wont be a surprise to him. Let's wait and see as yes Pulis is a typical bullish old school manager but remember he did last almost 12 years with the clay heads. stranger things have happended. I'm trying to remain positive
We will see but Peace has tried quite a few options and only RH made us all relax a bit!! SC carried on but at the end of the day a club still building needs a safe pair on the wheel.
Need someone who can get it sorted on the budget as SGM did on the way up to keep us here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on January 06, 2015, 07:49:03 PM
More importantly, when's his newly designed cap making an appearance ?   :o

Sure to be a best seller if he does well....... CAPS for Pulis End of Season theme  ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 07:56:31 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on January 06, 2015, 07:49:03 PM
More importantly, when's his newly designed cap making an appearance ?   :o

Sure to be a best seller if he does well....... CAPS for Pulis End of Season theme  ?



most definitely if he keeps us up. specs, caps and beach wear


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 06, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
I think we should all enjoy the revival and remember the rubbish we have played for quite a while now, how can it possible be any worse than that.
I am not saying that i wouldn't like tio play like arsenal every week and sign 20 mollion players every transfer window, but the reality is we won't.
We have probably the most sort after manager for clubs like ourselves at this moment and have wasted 22 million on 3 players who can hardly get in the side.
I think we know that every manager wants more money than they are given and as long as nobody tells him who to buy and sell he will be happy .
Don't mind a more direct style as long as its exciting and we don't fall asleep as i have done many times over the past few years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 08:18:58 PM
Quote from: Gilsey 56 on January 06, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
I think we should all enjoy the revival and remember the rubbish we have played for quite a while now, how can it possible be any worse than that.
I am not saying that i wouldn't like tio play like arsenal every week and sign 20 mollion players every transfer window, but the reality is we won't.
We have probably the most sort after manager for clubs like ourselves at this moment and have wasted 22 million on 3 players who can hardly get in the side.
I think we know that every manager wants more money than they are given and as long as nobody tells him who to buy and sell he will be happy .
Don't mind a more direct style as long as its exciting and we don't fall asleep as i have done many times over the past few years.


plenty of goalmouth action, cant remember the last time we were dominant and forcefull in the oppositions penalty area, decent corners and free kicks even a long throw or two
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 06, 2015, 10:31:05 PM
I know everything including corners and free kicks was meant to be rubbish under Irvine but currently ourselves, Chelsea, West Ham and Palace top the most goals from dead ball situations with 11.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 06, 2015, 11:32:53 PM
I see in the Birmingham Mail that Terry Burton has come out with the gem: "Tony Pulis can be the new Roy Hodgson".

Patethic. When will the club stop living in the past and stop worshipping at Roy Hodgson's feet? Hopefully with TP we now have a grown up in charge that is capable of making his own decisions and not apply some weird Roy Hodgson filter to everything.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 06, 2015, 11:39:58 PM
Quote from: GrGr on January 06, 2015, 11:32:53 PM
I see in the Birmingham Mail that Terry Burton has come out with the gem: "Tony Pulis can be the new Roy Hodgson".

Patethic. When will the club stop living in the past and stop worshipping at Roy Hodgson's feet? Hopefully with TP we now have a grown up in charge that is capable of making his own decisions and not apply some weird Roy Hodgson filter to everything.
Agree with this. Terry Burton is clearly a moron too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 06, 2015, 11:42:43 PM
I am an old pessimist.
Following the Baggies has made me this way.
Is Pulis the new Messiah?
I hope so.
Nothing is easy when you follow a Jekyll and Hyde team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 07, 2015, 12:31:07 AM
Quote from: Adder on January 06, 2015, 10:31:05 PM
I know everything including corners and free kicks was meant to be rubbish under Irvine but currently ourselves, Chelsea, West Ham and Palace top the most goals from dead ball situations with 11.

Sadly that also means we can have scored very few from open play!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mat15(MH) on January 07, 2015, 12:55:36 AM
Personally, I think bringing in Paul Jewell isn't a bad idea. Pulis tends to have someone like him on the staff, for example at Stoke he had Peter Reid for a couple of seasons. Jewell probably won't do too much coaching, Pulis is supposed to be quite involved in training, as will Kemp and Gerry Francis.

But it does offer a different set of eyes, which is no bad thing in my opinion. Kemp has been with Pulis for a while, they probably look at the game in the same way where as the likes of Reid, Jewell and Francis may well look at different things going on, or have alternative ideas to someone who will have learnt a lot of what they know from Pulis.

GrGr isn't going to like this, but Roy did exactly the same. He had Ray Lewington at Fulham, a former manager, and Terry Burton when he was with us. Always good to get a different angle on things, and I personally think it's good that Pulis isn't too proud/arrogant not to listen to other people's take on a game situation or something in training.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 07, 2015, 01:27:55 AM
Quote from: Mat15(MH) on January 07, 2015, 12:55:36 AM

GrGr isn't going to like this, but Roy did exactly the same. He had Ray Lewington at Fulham, a former manager, and Terry Burton when he was with us. Always good to get a different angle on things, and I personally think it's good that Pulis isn't too proud/arrogant not to listen to other people's take on a game situation or something in training.

Hm, I have no problem with Pulis bringing in his own men that he trusts and who he knows speak the same football language as he does, something Pepe Mel clearly never got a real chance to do for example. I'm just not sure how brilliant Jewell is, he seems more like a 'nutcracker' to me, which might not be a bad thing if the dressing room needs sorting out. Then again that is probably only my prejudice atm. :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 07, 2015, 06:21:58 AM
Quote from: GrGr on January 06, 2015, 11:32:53 PM
I see in the Birmingham Mail that Terry Burton has come out with the gem: "Tony Pulis can be the new Roy Hodgson".

Patethic. When will the club stop living in the past and stop worshipping at Roy Hodgson's feet? Hopefully with TP we now have a grown up in charge that is capable of making his own decisions and not apply some weird Roy Hodgson filter to everything.

That said when he left the team was in far better shape than when he came in.
Would have been interesting to see where we would have been now had we still had Hodgson in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on January 07, 2015, 07:27:32 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on January 07, 2015, 06:21:58 AM
That said when he left the team was in far better shape than when he came in.
Would have been interesting to see where we would have been now had we still had Hodgson in charge.

Or even where we'd be if he never actually took over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Avonbaggie on January 07, 2015, 10:27:28 AM
On one positive based on Albion's recent history we were more likely to appoint someone like Jewell as the Head Coach rather than as their assistant  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 07, 2015, 10:36:59 AM
Quote from: Avonbaggie on January 07, 2015, 10:27:28 AM
On one positive based on Albion's recent history we were more likely to appoint someone like Jewell as the Head Coach rather than as their assistant  ;D

For years we struggled to find a Manager for Head Coach and now we have Managers as Coaches!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 07, 2015, 12:10:18 PM
I s'pose having Jewell on board could give us some continuity (potentially)

Beyond that i struggle to see the value, he has euro coaching badge via Diploma route though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CoachRagnar on January 07, 2015, 03:05:42 PM
This should be a fun ride. I am working on my Pulis cap.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 08, 2015, 11:50:42 AM
This has Chris Lepkoswki written all over it.  ;D

Breakfast with Mr Pulis


THE Good Book – that’s the Bible, not Albion News, though I understand your confusion – tells us that all men are created equal. Life then goes on to teach us that some are more equal than others, in a multitude of different ways.

That is undeniably true of Albion’s new Head Coach, Tony Pulis. He’s one of those people that has a presence about him, a certain charisma that makes people listen when he talks and stay on their toes when they know that he’s around.

Over the last week or so, since his arrival at the club, a charge of electricity has gone through the training ground, the like of which we haven’t felt since Roy Hodgson’s time here – and that means no disrespect to those who followed in the England manager’s footsteps, good, hardworking, diligent men all of them.

But Pulis is different. He comes complete with a reputation that precedes him, both in terms of achievements and manner. The air around the building crackles with an interesting mixture of psychological chemicals at present. You can sense a genuine desire to please him, generated by the easy charm he has about him, but you can also feel real respect, mixed, let’s not be coy about it, with a little bit of fear of upsetting a man who suffers fools not all and is not in the business of wasting much time in taking prisoners either.

He is one of those force of nature characters that you occasionally come across, blessed with a seemingly inexhaustible core of energy. This interview was conducted before eight in the morning as he knocked seven bells out of a rowing machine in the training ground gym – your intrepid correspondent did not join him – prior to another full-on day devoted to transforming the fortunes of the Throstles in double quick time.


*A full interview with Tony Pulis can be read in Saturday's Albion News. You know it makes sense...

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-news-tony-pulis-interview-baggies-west-brom-2189345.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-news-tony-pulis-interview-baggies-west-brom-2189345.aspx)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 08, 2015, 12:27:42 PM
Lepo building bridges then !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 08, 2015, 03:27:23 PM
Quote from: Adder on January 06, 2015, 10:31:05 PM
I know everything including corners and free kicks was meant to be rubbish under Irvine but currently ourselves, Chelsea, West Ham and Palace top the most goals from dead ball situations with 11.

When attacking from a dead ball, Irvine was actually very good and a lot of his goals came from these situations. However, that was really his main positive without sounding too harsh. I think the issue with Irvine is that his defending of dead ball situations was pretty poor at times and steadily got much worse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 08, 2015, 11:47:35 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 08, 2015, 03:27:23 PM
When attacking from a dead ball, Irvine was actually very good and a lot of his goals came from these situations. However, that was really his main positive without sounding too harsh. I think the issue with Irvine is that his defending of dead ball situations was pretty poor at times and steadily got much worse.

We're you at QPR? I thought they'd score from every corner they had! Atrocious!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 09, 2015, 08:32:04 AM
I think that was the point WBArgo was trying to make.

Quote from: Londonbaggymike on January 08, 2015, 11:47:35 PM
We're you at QPR? I thought they'd score from every corner they had! Atrocious!

Quote from: WBArgo on January 08, 2015, 03:27:23 PM
When attacking from a dead ball, Irvine was actually very good and a lot of his goals came from these situations. However, that was really his main positive without sounding too harsh. I think the issue with Irvine is that his defending of dead ball situations was pretty poor at times and steadily got much worse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on January 09, 2015, 02:21:50 PM
TBH he is here now. We have gotten what we wished for. I think its absolutely bloody  brilliant , a big name, a character, and above all, call him what you bloody want, he's a MANAGER.

Its all or nothing now..........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 10, 2015, 08:33:57 AM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on January 09, 2015, 08:32:04 AM
I think that was the point WBArgo was trying to make.

He didn't mention QPR and it was a perfect example of what he was saying hence I raised it. So I was backing up his point with further evidence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 10, 2015, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: robnewbold on January 09, 2015, 02:21:50 PM
TBH he is here now. We have gotten what we wished for. I think its absolutely bloody  brilliant , a big name, a character, and above all, call him what you bloody want, he's a MANAGER.

Its all or nothing now..........
I can't help being realistic as well... I agree with above, yes, it is all or nothing for the next 13 games, we need six wins... but we also have a manager who can get us straight back up if we do go down.  I for one am glad that Pulis has poured scorn on his record of never having been relegated, its about this season NOW, not his past record, the last thing we need is a different sort of complacency.  But if we do go down, who better to get us back up?  That's what the 2.5 year contract partly suggests, anyhow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 10, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
For those at home, Football Focus is on and talking to Tony Pulis throughout the program. If you have BBC iPlayer, start watching Football Focus and scroll back on the time-line to 12:10pm when the program starts you should see it all.

There is also a poll on BBC web site "Live Sport" asking if TP will keep WBA up.Poll closes at 12:40
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 10, 2015, 12:33:18 PM
Really good interview with BBC Football Focus from the enthusiastic, inspirational leader that is Tony Pulis.

If you get the chance to view it, do so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 10, 2015, 12:51:55 PM
Football Focus ran a poll earlier:-

Will Tony Pulis Keep West Brom Up?

Result of Poll

Yes 88.8

No 12.2

I'm sure there would have been a similar result to a poll here as well
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 10, 2015, 01:10:16 PM
If anyone has somehow recorded it or know where it is recorded and can post a link, that'll be ace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 10, 2015, 01:13:51 PM
This is a link to the BBC iPlayer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone

As you can see its says live, you should be able to rewind to about 12:08pm on the time-line and watch.

Other than that BBC iPlayer catch up on Football Focus

Hope this works for you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 10, 2015, 04:57:50 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on January 10, 2015, 12:51:55 PM
Football Focus ran a poll earlier:-

Will Tony Pulis Keep West Brom Up?

Result of Poll

Yes 88.8

No 12.2

I'm sure there would have been a similar result to a poll here as well

I make that 101%!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 10, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on January 10, 2015, 04:57:50 PM
I make that 101%!
dead certs to stay up then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 10, 2015, 05:47:03 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on January 10, 2015, 04:57:50 PM
I make that 101%!

Bloody BBC, wasn't me honest Gov!  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albiondean on January 10, 2015, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on January 10, 2015, 01:10:16 PM
If anyone has somehow recorded it or know where it is recorded and can post a link, that'll be ace.

Here you go.

Result of Poll is at the end of the video.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2efz52_tp_sport
https://www.mixturecloud.com/media/XiRLgUN3
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2015, 09:28:06 PM
Would have been interesting to see a poll of would West Brom have been relegated without Tony Pulis?

Outside of our own support not many people had us pegged for relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 10, 2015, 09:29:26 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2015, 09:28:06 PM
Would have been interesting to see a poll of would West Brom have been relegated without Tony Pulis?

Outside of our own support not many people had us pegged for relegation.

How do you quantify this statement... For someone who has admitted they are on here to question blatant falsehoods... hmmm.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2015, 09:38:05 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 10, 2015, 09:29:26 PM
How do you quantify this statement... For someone who has admitted they are on here to question blatant falsehoods... hmmm.
What were the odds at the bookies? Where were we favourites to go down? Pessimism was mainly within our own support and spread by certain individuals  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 10, 2015, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2015, 09:28:06 PM
Outside of our own support not many people had us pegged for relegation.
You reckon - after we finished 17th last season and then appointed someone in the summer who...... <insert frequently discussed previous track record here>?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 10, 2015, 09:54:09 PM
“The reason they have gone into the Championship is because they’ve got complacent, people around the place got complacent - without a question of a doubt and everybody took their foot off the pedal and almost accepted they were going to remain in the top flight, if you look at them. As soon as you do that you’ll get relegated.

“And Complacency is the worst word in the dictionary. This club and everybody around the club has got to understand that this is a real dogfight till the end of the season. For us to stay out of it, everybody has got to pull together. That’s not just myself, the Chairman, the staff and the players. The supporters play an enormous part. As I said, they were brilliant today.  They were very, very patient and kept behind the players and we will need that from now until the end of the season."

Thank you Tony!  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2015, 10:01:29 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on January 10, 2015, 09:52:26 PM
You reckon - after we finished 17th last season and then appointed someone in the summer who...... <insert frequently discussed previous track record here>?
I refer to my earlier post. Which bookmaker had us as favourites for relegation or even one of the three favourites to go down?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albiondean on January 10, 2015, 10:20:53 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on January 10, 2015, 12:51:55 PM
Football Focus ran a poll earlier:-

Will Tony Pulis Keep West Brom Up?

Result of Poll

Yes 88.8

No 12.2

I'm sure there would have been a similar result to a poll here as well


You need to go to specsavers mate  :)

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Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 10, 2015, 11:34:45 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2015, 09:38:05 PM
What were the odds at the bookies? Where were we favourites to go down? Pessimism was mainly within our own support and spread by certain individuals  ;)
Bookies aren't always right but Irvine was a clear favourite with most bookies to get the sack, gladly on this occasion they was right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 11, 2015, 07:51:10 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2015, 10:01:29 PM
I refer to my earlier post. Which bookmaker had us as favourites for relegation or even one of the three favourites to go down?
I have no idea - I've got no interest whatsoever in bookmakers. I can't name names, but I recall that some pundits predicted we would go down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on January 11, 2015, 08:34:34 AM
I've no idea what bookmakers offered about anything but i'll tell you something now - WE WILL NOT GO DOWN UNDER PULIS. Whatever the odds lump on whatever you like, it's as good as a guarantee.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 11, 2015, 12:14:34 PM
Quote from: Londonbaggymike on January 10, 2015, 08:33:57 AM

He didn't mention QPR and it was a perfect example of what he was saying hence I raised it. So I was backing up his point with further evidence.

Oh ok, I misinterpreted your post  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 13, 2015, 03:27:53 PM
Still got major reservations about this guy in the transfer market.

Interesting to see us linked with so many names straight away. Some of then could well be genuine or just as easily press putting 2+2 together like Crouch, Walters, Huth etc, but Vardy seems so left field I'm fairly sure there's at least interest there.

When he was at Stoke they were always amongst the busiest clubs on deadline day. They also used to quite frequently be close to signing a player only to back away from the deal late on and pursue another target. I remember reading an article after they almost had Huddlestone signed in 2012, he was at the training ground, had his medical and agreed terms but Pulis got wind that someone else might be available instead and scrapped the deal at the last minute. The article basically stated this was always how he worked and why Stoke frequently did so much last minute business, and rather than identifying player A who he wanted he frequently changed his made day by day with plenty of deals seemingly done only to never be finalised as he moved targets as someone else became available.

In the end it stated they often ended up with players who were 3rd or 4th choice and not as good or as wanted as the original target but were all that was left on deadline day. Now it's early days and pure speculation but from the amount of players we have been linked with it kind of fits the description here. There's a new name every day and whilst I'm sure some are agent/press led there's enough there to suggest there's more than few that are genuine targets. 12 days isn't a huge amount of time and you never know what's actually going on behind the scenes but I expected us to be closer to a couple of targets now with how quickly Pulis wanted to move and the apparent backing from the board to do so. It does sort of support the theory he isn't the most decisive in the market when it comes to signing players, and could potentially explain his (in my opinion at least) really poor record at Stoke
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on January 16, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Tony Pulis from his CV was the best option out there to keep us up.
But what worries me long term if he stays around is what we become and if it's anything like Stoke mid table playing hoofball then I'afraid Peace has got into bed with the devil.
I'm no hypocrite and I was one of Pulis's biggest detracters for the way he played at Stoke regularly posting on the oatcake but there seems to me to be a lot of people who are forgetting what they once posted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on January 16, 2015, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on January 16, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
...there seems to me to be a lot of people who are forgetting what they once posted.

That's the nature of football isn't it? Being fickle goes with the territory.

I know there are some amongst us who stick to their guns but most fans just want to see the team win, be vaguely entertained and not get relegated don't they?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 16, 2015, 12:52:16 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on January 16, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Tony Pulis from his CV was the best option out there to keep us up.
But what worries me long term if he stays around is what we become and if it's anything like Stoke mid table playing hoofball then I'afraid Peace has got into bed with the devil.
I'm no hypocrite and I was one of Pulis's biggest detracters for the way he played at Stoke regularly posting on the oatcake but there seems to me to be a lot of people who are forgetting what they once posted.
I think we all share these worries if we are honest, but the fact  of the matter is that we are not a mid table club anymore we are only going one way and therefore drastic measures are called for.
Wolves failed to act when they were in a similar position and paid the price. Villa are now perpetual strugglers, but the powers that be don't seem to realise it.
Pulis is a square peg in a square hole and will keep us up. Will we live to regret it? Who knows, but the truth is he was the best option and the correct decision at the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 16, 2015, 01:10:35 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on January 16, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Tony Pulis from his CV was the best option out there to keep us up.
But what worries me long term if he stays around is what we become and if it's anything like Stoke mid table playing hoofball then I'afraid Peace has got into bed with the devil.
I'm no hypocrite and I was one of Pulis's biggest detracters for the way he played at Stoke regularly posting on the oatcake but there seems to me to be a lot of people who are forgetting what they once posted.


We all seem to be focusing on his time at Stoke. I have seen Stoke on numerous occasions when he has not been the manager, and they were ugly then as well. Why not talk about the great job he did for Palace last year, and the fact that he got them playing some pretty decent football. They outplayed a few teams last year, including us.........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 16, 2015, 01:14:43 PM
I don't think anyone can criticise the club for appointing Pulis. Although the list of potential candidates seems to get more uninspiring every time there's not much doubt that for the position we are in now Pulis was the safest bet to keep us in the league.

I do still have big reservations about this move though. Firstly if we do stay up it wont be by some miracle achieved by Pulis, as I've said elsewhere this team has been badly under performing for 2 years now and has still spent about 10 days in the bottom 3 during that time. Even Irvine at his worst was still enough to keep us out the bottom 3 and although people may say 'we were only going one way with him' im sure fans of Leicester, Hull, QPR, Villa and Sunderland will all say the same about their clubs plus Burnley would be in the mix as well although perhaps more content with that. So if Pulis keeps us up it certainly isn't a Houdini and there's not a chance it his 'toughest job in football' to date.

If we had appointed him after he left Stoke I'm pretty sure there would of been near mutiny on here, probably not far off the levels when Irvine was appointed. His time at Palace does skew things but it's still only 7 months of a 20 year management career. Robson kept us up from a similar position (not as comfortably) and whilst I don't think Robson is 10% the manager Pulis is you do get anomaly's like that from time to time. 

At Stoke Pulis had a huge amount of money, Coates let him get on with the football side of things so there's no argument the side he built was his side with his image playing the brand of football he wanted. To spend over £100m over 5 years and end up with the side/style he left behind was near disgraceful in my view. People may well say surviving is all that matters but try saying that in 3 years when when we finish 14th again after playing for free kicks and throw ins all season, there's only so long surviving will pass as acceptable after all we have don that for the last 2 years and were still seemingly unhappy with it all.

At Palace his hand was forced more in that he had less time/money to play with, so playing devils advocate I would argue we are far more likely to see the style he implemented at Stoke than the one at Palace which although hardly all out attack was at least acceptable and certainly compared to the dross he served up at the Britannia.

My main concern is still his ego/expectations. Coates bankrolled them and he seemed shocked when he didn't get the same treatment at Palace. There's very few clubs where he will get the same resources he did at Stoke and we are certainly not one of them. We've seen with Palace what happens when he doesn't get his way and there's no way JP is going to continue handing him money window after window, especially if his record with big money signings is anything like his one at Stoke.

Lastly, I like our model. I know some fans dont but it's worked for us for the best part of a decade. Until lst season we had acheived 5 years continuous progress year on year with league positions and had only been moving in 1 direction for the best part of a decade. I cant think of any other club other than Swansea who can say the same and they have a similar model to ours. Nobody can argue that the last 18 months have been rough and things haven't worked, but I also don't think we should rip everything up and give Pulis total control to do what he wants. Especially as I wouldn't be shocked if he left us before the start of next season.

Again, this isn't a moan, and I'm not criticising anyone certainly not the club who I think got the safest bet they could in the circumstances. I just still have major reservations about the whole thing and worry about what the implications if Pulis is still here in 3/4 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Rheneas on January 16, 2015, 01:20:02 PM
I think you make some fair points Astle 68, but Pulis by his own admission sounded people out about this job before he took it. If he really was a 'blank cheque' type of manager through and through he simply wouldn't be here.

Personally I'm not fearful of him being here in 3/4 years time. In fact I'm very hopeful, because it'd mean that things were going well, and to think that Albion could have the same boss for getting on for five years down the track would surely qualify as a victory in itself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 16, 2015, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 16, 2015, 01:10:35 PM

We all seem to be focusing on his time at Stoke. I have seen Stoke on numerous occasions when he has not been the manager, and they were ugly then as well. Why not talk about the great job he did for Palace last year, and the fact that he got them playing some pretty decent football. They outplayed a few teams last year, including us.........

I guess a similar analogy would be Connor Wickham. Do you judge him as a player who scored 5 goals in 3 games at the end of last season or the player who scored 3 goals in his other 54 games for Sunderland. To me he is a CF with 8 goals in 57 games and if you sign him whilst you could well get the player who scored the goals against City and Chelsea it's far more likely your going to end up with the striker who can't score goals.

Like Wickham, Pulis has shown he does have another side to him, but it doesn't mean it will be the side we see and it would be naive to assume we will get the football he played at Palace for 6 months rather than the football he played at Stoke for 6 years
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 16, 2015, 01:32:52 PM
Agreed, we will just have to wait and see TP's tactics and style. We all hope for the Palace model, but I suspect if we see another Stoke set up then the terraces will not hold back.......and rightly so.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 16, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 16, 2015, 01:14:43 PM
I don't think anyone can criticise the club for appointing Pulis. Although the list of potential candidates seems to get more uninspiring every time there's not much doubt that for the position we are in now Pulis was the safest bet to keep us in the league.

I do still have big reservations about this move though. Firstly if we do stay up it wont be by some miracle achieved by Pulis, as I've said elsewhere this team has been badly under performing for 2 years now and has still spent about 10 days in the bottom 3 during that time. Even Irvine at his worst was still enough to keep us out the bottom 3 and although people may say 'we were only going one way with him' im sure fans of Leicester, Hull, QPR, Villa and Sunderland will all say the same about their clubs plus Burnley would be in the mix as well although perhaps more content with that. So if Pulis keeps us up it certainly isn't a Houdini and there's not a chance it his 'toughest job in football' to date.

If we had appointed him after he left Stoke I'm pretty sure there would of been near mutiny on here, probably not far off the levels when Irvine was appointed. His time at Palace does skew things but it's still only 7 months of a 20 year management career. Robson kept us up from a similar position (not as comfortably) and whilst I don't think Robson is 10% the manager Pulis is you do get anomaly's like that from time to time. 

At Stoke Pulis had a huge amount of money, Coates let him get on with the football side of things so there's no argument the side he built was his side with his image playing the brand of football he wanted. To spend over £100m over 5 years and end up with the side/style he left behind was near disgraceful in my view. People may well say surviving is all that matters but try saying that in 3 years when when we finish 14th again after playing for free kicks and throw ins all season, there's only so long surviving will pass as acceptable after all we have don that for the last 2 years and were still seemingly unhappy with it all.

At Palace his hand was forced more in that he had less time/money to play with, so playing devils advocate I would argue we are far more likely to see the style he implemented at Stoke than the one at Palace which although hardly all out attack was at least acceptable and certainly compared to the dross he served up at the Britannia.

My main concern is still his ego/expectations. Coates bankrolled them and he seemed shocked when he didn't get the same treatment at Palace. There's very few clubs where he will get the same resources he did at Stoke and we are certainly not one of them. We've seen with Palace what happens when he doesn't get his way and there's no way JP is going to continue handing him money window after window, especially if his record with big money signings is anything like his one at Stoke.

Lastly, I like our model. I know some fans dont but it's worked for us for the best part of a decade. Until lst season we had acheived 5 years continuous progress year on year with league positions and had only been moving in 1 direction for the best part of a decade. I cant think of any other club other than Swansea who can say the same and they have a similar model to ours. Nobody can argue that the last 18 months have been rough and things haven't worked, but I also don't think we should rip everything up and give Pulis total control to do what he wants. Especially as I wouldn't be shocked if he left us before the start of next season.

Again, this isn't a moan, and I'm not criticising anyone certainly not the club who I think got the safest bet they could in the circumstances. I just still have major reservations about the whole thing and worry about what the implications if Pulis is still here in 3/4 years.

All or most of these things have occurred to me and I'm sure to others, but it is a very well put together post - scepticism should be seen as a positive thing; it will be a very interesting five months, that's about all we can be sure of.  We've had the "bounce" of the new manager effect against Hull, but Stoke were generally pretty ineffective away from home (except against us, of course), so Monday will be interesting, the setup, the style, the confidence or lack of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 16, 2015, 01:37:15 PM
I thought Irvine had us on the right track in terms of style of play, hopefully Pulis can build on that and make us win football matches. We played some good passing football under Irvine at times, just didn't have the balls to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 16, 2015, 01:42:15 PM
Good post that is Astle68.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 16, 2015, 01:57:24 PM
Fantastic post Astle68, articulated my thoughts on Pulis in a much better way than I ever could.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 16, 2015, 05:34:30 PM
i was disappointed we didn't get martin jol, i thought he would have been perfect for us with players we have
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on January 16, 2015, 06:25:19 PM
My thoughts exactly Astle68. As usual, we'll have to wait and see. One season at a time seems to be the norm for us. However, saying that, most clubs' fans probably feel the same way. Long term managerial appointments seem a thing of the past.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 16, 2015, 07:18:19 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 16, 2015, 01:14:43 PM
I don't think anyone can criticise the club for appointing Pulis. Although the list of potential candidates seems to get more uninspiring every time there's not much doubt that for the position we are in now Pulis was the safest bet to keep us in the league.

I do still have big reservations about this move though. Firstly if we do stay up it wont be by some miracle achieved by Pulis, as I've said elsewhere this team has been badly under performing for 2 years now and has still spent about 10 days in the bottom 3 during that time. Even Irvine at his worst was still enough to keep us out the bottom 3 and although people may say 'we were only going one way with him' im sure fans of Leicester, Hull, QPR, Villa and Sunderland will all say the same about their clubs plus Burnley would be in the mix as well although perhaps more content with that. So if Pulis keeps us up it certainly isn't a Houdini and there's not a chance it his 'toughest job in football' to date.

If we had appointed him after he left Stoke I'm pretty sure there would of been near mutiny on here, probably not far off the levels when Irvine was appointed. His time at Palace does skew things but it's still only 7 months of a 20 year management career. Robson kept us up from a similar position (not as comfortably) and whilst I don't think Robson is 10% the manager Pulis is you do get anomaly's like that from time to time. 

At Stoke Pulis had a huge amount of money, Coates let him get on with the football side of things so there's no argument the side he built was his side with his image playing the brand of football he wanted. To spend over £100m over 5 years and end up with the side/style he left behind was near disgraceful in my view. People may well say surviving is all that matters but try saying that in 3 years when when we finish 14th again after playing for free kicks and throw ins all season, there's only so long surviving will pass as acceptable after all we have don that for the last 2 years and were still seemingly unhappy with it all.

At Palace his hand was forced more in that he had less time/money to play with, so playing devils advocate I would argue we are far more likely to see the style he implemented at Stoke than the one at Palace which although hardly all out attack was at least acceptable and certainly compared to the dross he served up at the Britannia.

My main concern is still his ego/expectations. Coates bankrolled them and he seemed shocked when he didn't get the same treatment at Palace. There's very few clubs where he will get the same resources he did at Stoke and we are certainly not one of them. We've seen with Palace what happens when he doesn't get his way and there's no way JP is going to continue handing him money window after window, especially if his record with big money signings is anything like his one at Stoke.

Lastly, I like our model. I know some fans dont but it's worked for us for the best part of a decade. Until lst season we had acheived 5 years continuous progress year on year with league positions and had only been moving in 1 direction for the best part of a decade. I cant think of any other club other than Swansea who can say the same and they have a similar model to ours. Nobody can argue that the last 18 months have been rough and things haven't worked, but I also don't think we should rip everything up and give Pulis total control to do what he wants. Especially as I wouldn't be shocked if he left us before the start of next season.

Again, this isn't a moan, and I'm not criticising anyone certainly not the club who I think got the safest bet they could in the circumstances. I just still have major reservations about the whole thing and worry about what the implications if Pulis is still here in 3/4 years.

Agree with every word. Pulls seems to be some sort of hero who can do no wrong. His first full game was dire football. Lets hope things improve and that we don't head in the direction that 95% of his career history would indicate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 16, 2015, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on January 16, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Tony Pulis from his CV was the best option out there to keep us up.
But what worries me long term if he stays around is what we become and if it's anything like Stoke mid table playing hoofball then I'afraid Peace has got into bed with the devil.
I'm no hypocrite and I was one of Pulis's biggest detracters for the way he played at Stoke regularly posting on the oatcake but there seems to me to be a lot of people who are forgetting what they once posted.

I wouldn't worry too much. I can't see him sticking around once he gets used to JP and our dithering in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 16, 2015, 07:20:22 PM
Quote from: Legend on January 16, 2015, 01:37:15 PM
I thought Irvine had us on the right track in terms of style of play, hopefully Pulis can build on that and make us win football matches. We played some good passing football under Irvine at times, just didn't have the balls to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.

What style was that. The turgid, negative dross style?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 16, 2015, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 16, 2015, 07:20:22 PM
What style was that. The turgid, negative dross style?

We played some cracking stuff against QPR, some nice play between Varela, Sessegnon and Ideye. Also going to Spurs and playing them off the park. Irvine had to work with a squad that wasn't good enough which is why Pulis is getting this window to bring players in and ship players out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 16, 2015, 07:33:45 PM
My big concerns with Pulis are
a) potential for a major fall out with JP in very short term

b) his "developing teams based upon their strengths" -  I have no idea what our squads strengths are, in fact i haven't seen 25%+ of our squad perform enough to form an opinion.

c) the potential for him wasting the biggest war chest we have ever accumulated in the clubs history.

Having said all of that,
we needed a clear out, we've certainly had that
We need to get some solidity in defence, which remains to be seen
We needed someone who can manage a match situation positively, I believe TP can do this

An interesting 5 months coming up, lets hope we can enjoy the ride (again!!!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on January 16, 2015, 08:39:35 PM
Personally I don't have any concerns or misgivings about Pulis, and talking generally, as opposed to directing this at any particular post on the thread, do sometimes feel that some Albion supporters overplay the need for "attractive" football as opposed to the more realistic requirement, for clubs in our position, of effective football.

In common with every other Albion supporter on the planet, the Stoke situation, and our ongoing difficulties (with a few exceptions) of getting decent results against them for over 20 years, has been an ongoing source of irritation and exasperation.

But there have been occasions when I've watched Stoke under Pulis, and listened to all those around me moaning about their tactics and deriding their methods, as I viewed at various times, a number of Albion teams being outworked, out thought, at times being physically intimidated and on a number of occasions being outplayed.

I'd watch this small figure on the touchline, in his tracksuit and baseball cap, bawling out his instructions, getting his tactics against us spot on (yet again) and found it difficult to build up anything other than grudging respect.

Certainly I'd say, from my own point of view, the high moral ground that a few of our fans were taking after we'd been turned over yet again, was just as irritating as the few times when Stoke's gamesmanship maybe overstepped the mark.

Fully respect any counter viewpoints and concerns, but have to say I don't personally share them.

At no time did I ever call for Irvine to be given the boot, but once the Albion hierarchy had made that decision, it was a great relief that they made such a wise appointment within a few days. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 16, 2015, 08:57:54 PM
I can’t believe how negative people are being regarding Pulis. He’s only been here for 2 minutes. He is having to change a club that has made massive mistakes over the last few years. As he said in the Telegraph “This football club, they have to understand and recognise that to stay up, it's a massive dogfight and there are lots of clubs involved in it. We've got to start taking down the dust and getting out and getting things sorted.” Its that last sentence that suggests how poorly we have been run of late. Apart from Lescott, Lukaku was the last quality signing we have made. On 5 live 2 weeks ago Phil Neville said he spent time with Pulis during the World Cup and found him to be one of the most knowledgeable people he had ever spoken with about football, more so than any other manager he had worked with.
Yes I never liked the way Stoke played under him but I often secretly envied Stoke when they always beat us. I honestly feel that we won’t end up with a team playing in that style. Unfortunately however  in the real world the Albion haven’t the money to have too many aesthetic morals when it comes to the style of football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on January 16, 2015, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: bry on January 16, 2015, 08:57:54 PM
I can’t believe how negative people are being regarding Pulis. He’s only been here for 2 minutes. He is having to change a club that has made massive mistakes over the last few years. As he said in the Telegraph “This football club, they have to understand and recognise that to stay up, it's a massive dogfight and there are lots of clubs involved in it. We've got to start taking down the dust and getting out and getting things sorted.” Its that last sentence that suggests how poorly we have been run of late. Apart from Lescott, Lukaku was the last quality signing we have made. On 5 live 2 weeks ago Phil Neville said he spent time with Pulis during the World Cup and found him to be one of the most knowledgeable people he had ever spoken with about football, more so than any other manager he had worked with.
Yes I never liked the way Stoke played under him but I often secretly envied Stoke when they always beat us. I honestly feel that we won’t end up with a team playing in that style. Unfortunately however  in the real world the Albion haven’t the money to have too many aesthetic morals when it comes to the style of football.
An excellent post. It seems one minute TP is Corberan then next minute  the devil.
Is this another person bashing as with Berahino. TP will never be everyone's cup of tea, who is, but in him I believe we have a person who can keep us in the Premier League. That is the main objective , style , flair , exciting football , that can wait survival is our main aim. End of!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 16, 2015, 10:29:47 PM
Quote from: Adamstv on January 16, 2015, 09:53:52 PM
An excellent post. It seems one minute TP is Corberan then next minute  the devil.
Is this another person bashing as with Berahino. TP will never be everyone's cup of tea, who is, but in him I believe we have a person who can keep us in the Premier League. That is the main objective , style , flair , exciting football , that can wait survival is our main aim. End of!
Totally agree, its the here and now what counts forget pulis at stoke  and palace its history. whats the point looking at 3 yrs time when we don't know what league we will be in or even who the manager is. pulis is the best and most qualified manager we could have got in the position we find the club in. lets just trust him to lead us forward and worry about the future after our present situation gets sorted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 16, 2015, 10:54:17 PM
every manager (except Irvine) deserves a chance.  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on January 16, 2015, 11:13:23 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on January 16, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Tony Pulis from his CV was the best option out there to keep us up.
But what worries me long term if he stays around is what we become and if it's anything like Stoke mid table playing hoofball then I'afraid Peace has got into bed with the devil.
I'm no hypocrite and I was one of Pulis's biggest detracters for the way he played at Stoke regularly posting on the oatcake but there seems to me to be a lot of people who are forgetting what they once posted.

"Into bed with the Devil" = extremist! Stokes' style wasn't always pretty....granted - however, at Palace (on many occasions) his team orchestrated some very impresive counter-attacking football, often culminating in extremely efficient finishing. He ain't perfect, and more to the point....he ain't kept us up yet. What do people really want - we do have a level (for now!)...mid table max! It's been a complete shambles for 3 years at the club.....for God's sake give a man with some 'balls' a little more credit......or would the 'Devil' not approve?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on January 17, 2015, 12:23:43 AM
Everyone is entitled to an opinion;right or wrong; who am I to say?
What I will say is we have 4 points since he walked through the door and the players are actually working for 90 minutes. Its been years since we had a manager, coach or dishwasher that can make the team work and give the fans a glimmer of hope. He's been here five minutes so lets give him a chance, stop dissecting his past and judge him in the present. I only care that we stay up for now, if we achieve that then we can start talking about expectations.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: asa62 on January 17, 2015, 02:58:19 AM
Some great points being made here , I think Pulis is himself is evolving as a coach , even at 56 . The bit I saw of Palace last season (when we played them ) they played with wingers . He is very experienced and appears fit and energetic with a lot of determination to succeed , speaking as someone in their 50's  I think this isn't a bad thing , if I'm honest I didn't enjoy the Hull match , but loved the result , I'm wondering if Tony Pulis , given time might surprise us with some decent football .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 17, 2015, 08:03:58 AM
I suspect he is partly also using us to repair his reputation inside football following the way he left Palace and I have no problem with that, and I am also quite happy top sit back a see what happens.
He'll move on one day but the club will still be there, in whatever division, as will I health and wealth permitting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 17, 2015, 09:09:01 AM
What's the point of any of this negativity? The man has been given a 2 and half year contract . He has a really difficult job to do which he has hinted at . GET BEHIND THE BLOKE if you call herself supporters .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 17, 2015, 09:28:47 AM
Quote from: charliemike on January 17, 2015, 09:09:01 AM
What's the point of any of this negativity? The man has been given a 2 and half year contract . He has a really difficult job to do which he has hinted at . GET BEHIND THE BLOKE if you call herself supporters .

Well said..........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 17, 2015, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: charliemike on January 17, 2015, 09:09:01 AM
What's the point of any of this negativity? The man has been given a 2 and half year contract . He has a really difficult job to do which he has hinted at . GET BEHIND THE BLOKE if you call herself supporters .

If there is any negativity this is the place the express it. I have my doubts about Pulis for the long term like many others but he has a fair chance with me just like Alan Irvine and every other manager before him has had. Given the negativity from fans about Irvine there wasn't that much negativity at games, in general supporters tried their hardest to get fully behind the team in spite of Irvine so I see absolutely no issue here.

Are you saying I'm not a proper supporter if I express doubts about the new manager on here? Quite frankly I find that attitude laughable, we all support West Bromwich Albion but not all of us are so called happy clappers while we aren't all negative either. The whole idea of these forums is to give a platform for supporters to discuss issues and share their opinions on what is happening at the club no matter what their viewpoint is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 17, 2015, 09:55:57 AM
We live in a free society or so they say . Personally there ain't no point in moaning about him . I think he is the best bloke for the job , which is to keep us in the premiership . To talk more seriously it's a massive job and I have no illusions about the task in hand . I think he realises this has well. Good luck to the bloke .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 17, 2015, 10:02:34 AM
As I say I'm sure the vast majority of people who have any doubts about Pulis will get behind the team 100% on a match day. On paper Pulis is clearly the best qualified for the job of trying to keep us in the Premier League, I just have my doubts about him in the long term especially given how we deal with transfers and that being the reason why he walked out on Palace just days before the season started.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 17, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
How many managers have we had and given them 12 month rolling contracts . They are backing PULIS by giving him his own team . Now the scouts are up the road . It will be very interesting to see who comes in in that field . I view all this in a positive way for the short term . Now we need to move some of the deadwood on the playing side out with a little luck .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on January 17, 2015, 10:30:56 AM
Quote from: charliemike on January 17, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
How many managers have we had and given them 12 month rolling contracts . They are backing PULIS by giving him his own team . Now the scouts are up the road . It will be very interesting to see who comes in in that field . I view all this in a positive way for the short term . Now we need to move some of the deadwood on the playing side out with a little luck .


I completely agree. You have to give Jeremy Peace enormous credit. He f*d up completely by giving Irvine the job but he wasn't stubborn, he didn't p*** the fans off for a year or two, he wasn't blindly arrogant, he gave Irvine enough time to allow him to convince, he didn't do that and Peace got rid of him. Some other chairmen would've kept irvine for ages as an act off stubborn arrogance but not Jeremy, he obviously realised he had made a big mistake and he changed it.

He, like most right minded fans, obviously sees the value in Pulis, he realises what he now has - a top quality manager / head coach and he is backing him. Most fans are the same but there is always a vocal negative minority. It would help Pulis, THE CLUB and everybody else if those people put a sock in it and preferably jumped on side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bigrob80 on January 17, 2015, 10:33:13 AM
I for one have only managed a couple of games this season at the hawthorns but I sung for my team while they were on the pitch, those games were under Irvine! At the next game I get to I will sing my heart out for the team! I don't see any grounds for US to be concerned, we don't know how this will go yet, let's have some positive support for our team and manager!
In a few weeks we should have a just of what's going on, I for one think it will be positive! Cummon baggies and Cummon pullis!
 :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 17, 2015, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: Atomic on January 17, 2015, 10:30:56 AM

I completely agree. You have to give Jeremy Peace enormous credit. He f*d up completely by giving Irvine the job but he wasn't stubborn, he didn't p*** the fans off for a year or two, he wasn't blindly arrogant, he gave Irvine enough time to allow him to convince, he didn't do that and Peace got rid of him. Some other chairmen would've kept irvine for ages as an act off stubborn arrogance but not Jeremy, he obviously realised he had made a big mistake and he changed it.

He, like most right minded fans, obviously sees the value in Pulis, he realises what he now has - a top quality manager / head coach and he is backing him. Most fans are the same but there is always a vocal negative minority. It would help Pulis, THE CLUB and everybody else if those people put a sock in it and preferably jumped on side.
Not sure if you can stop people having opinions though. The results of the Pulis v Sherwood pole showed that approx. 20% didn't want Pulis. A lot of those are likely to be different people to those who slagged off Irvine, from the start no matter what he did. I wanted Sherwood due to style of football worries but I can see why the club went for Pulis and I've no intention of slagging him off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 17, 2015, 11:38:55 AM
I preface my comments with my view that I firmly believe that coaches have been elevated in importance in the modern game to a point which is almost bizarre. The notion that somehow by appointing Pulis we have at a stroke removed the threat of relegation is a case in point and in fairness to the man he spent a lot of time at his press conferences trying to debunk the myth.

Equally coaches turnover so rapidly that it is almost impossible to pass judgement on their impact. In this instance his contract is for two and half years which would give him 2 full seasons and two summers to shape the squad at the end of which time what we are looking at beyond any doubt is Tony Pulis' Albion.  Whether he gets to that point is anyone's guess. As others have pointed out his departure from Crystal Palace over transfer policy does not bode well in terms of a relationship with Peace but the two of them must have come to some understanding on this matter or Pulis would not have signed in the first place.

With regard to  Pulisball I would take issue with those who think Palace's football last year was a dramatic departure from what Pulis had done at Stoke. It certainly was different from that he deployed at Stoke in the first few years that they were in the Premier League, but Stoke were evolving under him before he left, although given his reputation he was very unlikely to be given much credit for it.

However the central tenants remain the same and start with a solid defensive shape  based on a 4-4-2. He does not rotate much and once he settles on a back four he play it week in week out. It would suggest that by the end of this month if your name is not on the team sheet there really isn't any point in you being here.  When I looked at some of his Stoke squads it was noticeable how few players he used it really did revolve around a core of about 13 players.

His sides have never scored lots of goals but they have been very effective in converting goals into results. The Hull game was a case in point 1 goal 3 points and in truth it was dreadful to watch although no worse than the away fixture before Christmas. However I think those fans who are expecting anything else beyond solid organisation and grinding results out by whatever means possible certainly in the short term are whistling in the dark.

Never has a Head Coach appointment been greeted with such euphoria but I fear this will wear thin when we facing this type of football over the long term.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 17, 2015, 11:53:08 AM
One thing that I have accepted is something others haven't . We have played poor football most of our time in the premiership . In the championship it was good because of the quality of who you are playing against . Under hodgson it was organisation and counter attacking with long, odemwingie and lukaku . We don't have these players now so it's been dire . Even when at home there was only 2 players up front . How can you score goals when you only have 2 players up front , no pace from wide . This team needs a clear out and a different approach . There is only 4 or 5 teams that are equipped to be expansive with there football and we ain't one .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 17, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
Of course everyone has an opinion, and this is just mine. Personally I find negative opinions about Pulis at this moment in time pointless and ultimately divisive. It’s all about If If If. If we stay up; If Pulis doesn’t fall out with Peace; If we play like Stoke; If we …. I feel that this thinking leads us to end up with the atmosphere we had at the Hull game. Quiet, nervous and un supportive. Waiting to see what happens, not enjoying just being at the game, not supporting the team no matter what. We criticise our players when they don’t try or play in a negative way (or even might play sometime in the future) isn’t that what we are doing as fans if we don’t create a positive atmosphere to support the team. I’m not saying fans can’t criticise, but a positive, noisy singing supportive crowd are a part of what makes the very thing supporters say they want, a successful exciting winning team. I guess its all about attitude. If you set out to watch the Albion with a negative mind set that’s what you will see and how much you will enjoy the match. It is said that a team reflects a managers personality, I think this is also the case with a clubs supporters. I have colleagues at work that no matter what changes or instructions we are given their default position is to moan about it. Sorry if this opinion makes me a "happy clapper"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 17, 2015, 12:31:27 PM
I don't think its really negativity, I just think people are coming down off the 'anyone but Irvine' high and now starting to think what this could mean.

My view is this: Pulis is experienced, knows the league and has a decent record at this level. He is similar to Hodgson in many respects in that he is seen as a pair of safe hands. From that point of view I'm pleased that he is with us. I have also been generally impressed by the things that he has said and done since his arrival.

On the flip side I have never liked his style of play. He was at Stoke for a number of years, building a squad with a lot of money that reflected his style of play. I hated his football and the cynical tactics at Stoke and I would be gutted if we bring that here but I expect he will.

When he came people started talking about Gamboa etc, but for me his arrival signalled the end of that type of player, and I don't expect Gamboa or Blanco to get anywhere near the team.

It's one thing staying in the Premiership but if it means that we become known for being a big cynical bullying team then I'd be gutted and ultimately I think that's what will happen. People will take Palace as an example that this may not happen,but I struggle to see how half a season with Palace is a better indicator than 20 odd years management playing pretty dire football.

I personally took lot of satisfaction from the Mowbray days, and I know that will sound daft but I was right behind what he was trying to do. It was entertaining, and who knows what would have happened if he had stayed, though his subsequent lack of success suggests it was the right thing to do.

Personal opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 17, 2015, 12:37:49 PM
People keep talking about cynical play. The most cynical thing I've seen so far is Sessegnon going down very easy before the first goal against Gateshead.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 17, 2015, 12:39:13 PM
Quote from: Atomic on January 17, 2015, 10:30:56 AM
You have to give Jeremy Peace enormous credit. He f*d up completely by giving Irvine the job but he wasn't stubborn, he didn't p*** the fans off for a year or two, he wasn't blindly arrogant, he gave Irvine enough time to allow him to convince, he didn't do that and Peace got rid of him. Some other chairmen would've kept irvine for ages as an act off stubborn arrogance but not Jeremy, he obviously realised he had made a big mistake and he changed it.

Randy Lerner, he of the 'Porn Stars for Beginners' stage name.
Annoying Villa fans for years.
Long may it continue.
SOTV.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 17, 2015, 12:42:43 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 17, 2015, 12:37:49 PM
People keep talking about cynical play. The most cynical thing I've seen so far is Sessegnon going down very easy before the first goal against Gateshead.

I keep hearing rumours that Charlie Adam will be winging his way to the Hawthorns.
My, that'll get a few tongues wagging and a few keyboards twitching.
 ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on January 17, 2015, 12:49:35 PM
I have no problem with Pulis being appointed. He was a pragmatic appointment at a time where much of the good work of previous years appeared to be unravelling.

Realistically there wasn't too much choice was there? Sherwood is pretty much unproven, Jol has the air of a man who us fed up with management, after that who else?

At the moment Albion need stability by any means, after the disappointment of Clarke's second season, the circus of Mel's time (whatever the cause of the comedy we had become personally I liked the bloke but the club seemed in total disarray) and the doomed tenure of Irvine the club desperately needs a period of calm and rebuilding.

Let's hope the Pulis can deliver that in his two and a half years here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 17, 2015, 01:01:29 PM
Happy birthday tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 17, 2015, 01:02:58 PM
Happpy birthday for yesterday Mr Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 17, 2015, 01:08:03 PM
at stoke he hardly played any acadamy players aswell, and i cant imagine him playing players like garmston either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 17, 2015, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: wba606 on January 17, 2015, 01:08:03 PM
at stoke he hardly played any acadamy players aswell, and i cant imagine him playing players like garmston either.

That's always a convenient dig, but the truth is the Academy didn't produce any good players. The best youth player by a clear distance was Ryan Shotton. He's now struggling to get into the Derby team at the level below.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 17, 2015, 01:16:50 PM
Quote from: wba606 on January 17, 2015, 01:08:03 PM
at stoke he hardly played any acadamy players aswell, and i cant imagine him playing players like garmston either.

Have Stoke had any come through their Academy into the first team since he left? We have only really had Berahino come through and become a regular in the last few years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 17, 2015, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on January 17, 2015, 01:16:50 PM
Have Stoke had any come through their Academy into the first team since he left? We have only really had Berahino come through and become a regular in the last few years.
Our full academy set-up is relatively new (8-10 years) so the likes of George Thorne and Saido are among the first batch of graduates from this setup....there would be hopes of a few others following in coming years but they will need a chance to prove themselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2015, 01:47:51 PM
I doubt we'll see too many youth break throughs but at the same time he doesn't seem completely averse to them, Shotton made 23 appearances in 2 consecutive seasons in the premier and he's not even particularly good. Mind you, Adil Nabi aside we don't seem to have anyone who's going to be knocking on the first team door within the next 3 seasons either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on January 17, 2015, 02:46:05 PM
Quote from: charliemike on January 17, 2015, 09:09:01 AM
What's the point of any of this negativity? The man has been given a 2 and half year contract . He has a really difficult job to do which he has hinted at . GET BEHIND THE BLOKE if you call herself supporters .
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Could not have put it better but I think "herself" should be replaced by "yourselves" :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on January 17, 2015, 02:49:27 PM
Not sure why we think there is negativity around - misgivings long term yes as with any new manager - but most people have been reenergised by the changes and are looking forward to games much more than any time in the last two years.
Let's try and enjoy the ride !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on January 17, 2015, 04:36:36 PM
Quote from: Dan on January 17, 2015, 01:47:51 PM
I doubt we'll see too many youth break throughs but at the same time he doesn't seem completely averse to them, Shotton made 23 appearances in 2 consecutive seasons in the premier and he's not even particularly good. Mind you, Adil Nabi aside we don't seem to have anyone who's going to be knocking on the first team door within the next 3 seasons either.

You never know Dan,there only young and can go either way in there development,hardest part for us is hanging onto them if one does break though.
Also I think Andy Wilkinson came through there Academy too,not 100% though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2015, 11:55:56 AM
Great to watch during an interview and on the touchline, love his passion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 12:32:22 PM
Did anyone else pick up on TP saying something like, (paraphrased) "the coaches work on the skills, while I work on the shape and in match tactics". Seemed a bit strange to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2015, 12:43:25 PM
You could hear him shouting to the players on the TV...... long time since we have had that from the touchline!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: monkey nuts on January 20, 2015, 01:12:14 PM
the most telling of his comments for me after the game were

the players are working hard but i don't think they're used to working this hard

bye bye easy street boys
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on January 20, 2015, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 12:32:22 PM
Did anyone else pick up on TP saying something like, (paraphrased) "the coaches work on the skills, while I work on the shape and in match tactics". Seemed a bit strange to me.

What is strange about it???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: AshD on January 20, 2015, 01:21:27 PM
What is strange about it???

I would have thought that the 2 go hand in hand, especially in the early days when you are trying to instill a style of play surely you would need to know who has the requisite skills to implement the plans? My cynical head thought maybe he was distancing himself from the lack of skills in the squad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2015, 06:48:09 PM
Apart from Palace a Tony Pulis team havent finished above the Albion, is this correct?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 20, 2015, 06:49:41 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2015, 06:48:09 PM
Apart from Palace a Tony Pulis team havent finished above the Albion, is this correct?

Stoke finished above Albion in the Premier League when we had Mowbray.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2015, 06:51:51 PM
Quote from: Legend on January 20, 2015, 06:49:41 PM
Stoke finished above Albion in the Premier League when we had Mowbray.


yes indeed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 20, 2015, 07:01:44 PM
Can't believe the cobblars being spoken about Pulis and last nights game on radio WM. Whats entertaining about losing? "The Albion way" whats that ? Losing by rolling over and having our tummy's tickled?
The reason why Pulis set up that way is the players aren’t good enough to play any other way to get a result.
The players abilities dictated the way Pulis had to set them up to get a result.
He will play a  "better way” if we could get  players. E.G Ba, Lambert, Fletcher, McManaman, etc
Better players better style of play its very simple. We can’t afford these aesthetic morals on the money we spend. That's the preserve of the big clubs. Maybe if Pulis gets us to the point where we are a stable mid table club then lets talk about playing attractive football maybe the way Southampton way. But not now lets walk before we can run. Ask Wigan fans under Martinez playing attractive football if they would swop with us now?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 20, 2015, 09:34:36 PM
A few fans need to get over themselves - 'the Albion Way', what a load of rubbish. I clearly remember Woking and the 80s/ 90s 'wilderness years' which is when I began watching Albion. I know this has been done on another thread but in 100 years we've probably played wonderful football for 10 years max (10% of the time). 

In simple terms, you build a team from the back (a la Roy), then you add some flair and attacking intent (first few months of Clarke), then you have a team which is entertaining. This doesn't last for us because we'll either have richer clubs poaching our best players (Robson/ Cunningham) or naturally teams run out of steam.
Either way, you have to win games to be able to build a team/ attract better players. We seriously need to look at ourselves if we're complaining about winning games whilst we're rebuilding which is what we're currently doing or have I missed something?

The difference with Pulis compared to Clarke, Mel and Irvine is I trust him to build a team which wins games. I didn't enjoy watching Mowbray's premier league Albion team, boring, slow, sideways, possession football without a cutting edge.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 20, 2015, 09:40:07 PM
"The difference with Pulis compared to Clarke, Mel and Irvine is I trust him to build a team which wins games. I didn't enjoy watching Mowbray's premier league Albion team, boring, slow, sideways, possession football with a cutting edge."

But at least other managers congratulated him on his "Fast flowing bull" After turning us over.

Personally I like a realist in charge who can do the business of keeping us up and strengthening the team so other hate coming here!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 20, 2015, 10:19:59 PM
Those who are moaning are living on a different planet.

Build a solid defence and build from there.

Solid and collecting more points. Or half soaked and losing every bloody week? I know which I prefer, and I'm excited to see what Pulis can do long term.

Survive this year, then build.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on January 20, 2015, 10:34:23 PM
To those labelling TP's tactics as a disgrace...

Remember the Mowbray PL season? He actually said he'd be happy to be relegated as long as we played nice football. THAT was a disgrace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on January 20, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on January 20, 2015, 10:34:23 PM
To those labelling TP's tactics as a disgrace...

Remember the Mowbray PL season? He actually said he'd be happy to be relegated as long as we played nice football. THAT was a disgrace.
Some of our 'fans' have said that as well. :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on January 20, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
Some of our 'fans' have said that as well. :o

With the proviso that the club remains solvent,

I would rather see good, attractive, attacking football in the chumps than boring, negative survival at all cost, "football" in the greed league.

I am NOT ashamed or embarrassed to state that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 20, 2015, 10:53:13 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 10:49:01 PM
With the proviso that the club remains solvent,

I would rather see good, attractive, attacking football in the chumps than boring, negative survival at all cost, "football" in the greed league.

I am NOT ashamed or embarrassed to state that.
Prob is it is risky. Just Glad you are not in charge!!
 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 20, 2015, 10:54:18 PM
Think it's a case of wait and see with Pulis. I also want to enjoy watching our team play some good football but I think Pulis can be forgiven for taking a short term 'we have to do whatever it takes to stay in the league this year' view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 10:56:00 PM
 >:(
Quote from: glosterbaggie on January 20, 2015, 10:53:13 PM
Prob is it is risky. Just Glad you are not in charge!!
 8)

Quite right too, in JP we trust !

i have to accept its business now, doesn't mean i have to like it !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 20, 2015, 10:56:56 PM
Quote from: monkey nuts on January 20, 2015, 01:12:14 PM
the most telling of his comments for me after the game were

the players are working hard but i don't think they're used to working this hard

bye bye easy street boys

Spot on too...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 20, 2015, 11:13:37 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 10:56:00 PM
>:(
Quite right too, in JP we trust !

i have to accept its business now, doesn't mean i have to like it !

I know I know. But this ain't the 68's or the 80's But I do understand what you mean.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on January 21, 2015, 08:32:18 AM
Is it my imagination or are the press ascribing Albion's activities and movements in the transfer market quite clearly to Pulis now rather than the club?

It seems to me that previously we might for example have read a headline saying "Albion end Varela loan" whereas today (in the "i") it says "Pulis ends Varela loan" and I am sure that I have seen other examples too talking about "Pulis wants...(this player or that player)".

All signalling a very clear shift in messaging at least about the power structure within the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on January 21, 2015, 08:44:08 AM
I think the attacking football will come, TP specifically said in his interview after the game that he was disappointed with Brunt, Morrison and Gardner with their ball retention once we got the ball to them, once TP has his players in we will see quick counter attacking like we used to under RH.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 21, 2015, 09:33:06 AM
If fans want to see possession football without a cutting edge and which results in not winning many points, Villa park is a good place to see that these days................. ;)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 21, 2015, 06:50:17 PM
Does anyone actually think we have been playing attacking football over the last few years.
I must have been going to the wrong ground.
I do actually think at the moment we have no choice but to play the way we did the other night, lets stay in this league and give him a chance to biuld a solid side and i think he will.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on January 21, 2015, 09:29:21 PM
Speaking to Stoke fans today at work they were highly critical of Pulis' purchases when he was the manager of Stoke; stating he signed a number of lemons for a lot of money! Dave Kitson and Tuncay Sanli for 5m each respectively being two of the ones they highlighted in particular.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 21, 2015, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: bartleygreenbaggie on January 21, 2015, 09:29:21 PM
Speaking to Stoke fans today at work they were highly critical of Pulis' purchases when he was the manager of Stoke; stating he signed a number of lemons for a lot of money! Dave Kitson and Tuncay Sanli for 5m each respectively being two of the ones they highlighted in particular.

Wow that's the equivalent of one Brown Ideye!  ;)
Don't worry I'm just messin'!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 21, 2015, 11:16:18 PM
 jones for 8 million and  palacios for over 10 million are probably his most worst signings 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 21, 2015, 11:40:40 PM
In terms of buys, Tony Pulis isn't perfect and it's been mentioned above that some of his signings have been poor to say the least. However, I still believe he is better than our current scouting/signing system of the past two seasons and more importantly his management is his main quality.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 22, 2015, 12:09:47 AM
Pulis' most important job now he's got the defence sorted is getting a tune out of Youssuff Mulumbu. Easily our best player at the top of his form.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on January 22, 2015, 04:39:44 AM
Quote from: bartleygreenbaggie on January 21, 2015, 09:29:21 PM
Speaking to Stoke fans today at work they were highly critical of Pulis' purchases when he was the manager of Stoke; stating he signed a number of lemons for a lot of money! Dave Kitson and Tuncay Sanli for 5m each respectively being two of the ones they highlighted in particular.

In the last 2 years we bought or loaned:

Anichebe 6 Mill
Ideye 10 Mill
Scott Sinclair (remember him), Anelka, Rosenberg, Samaras,Gamboa and Blanco who didn't start a game.

So I reckon Tony will fit in well ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 22, 2015, 06:31:09 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on January 22, 2015, 04:39:44 AM
In the last 2 years we bought or loaned:

Anichebe 6 Mill
Ideye 10 Mill
Scott Sinclair (remember him), Anelka, Rosenberg, Samaras,Gamboa and Blanco who didn't start a game.

So I reckon Tony will fit in well ;)

Looks we we unearth a lot of turds before we find a diamond (oh for another Lukaku)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 22, 2015, 07:36:15 AM
Again we find ourselves knocking TP before he has even bought a player........he is after certain players for certain reasons, lets judge him once he has put the team together and we have seen them

Its pointless mentioning players he has bought that have not worked out, even the great Sir Alex bought a few turkeys... remember Djemba Djemba, or Veron [£28.1m!] to name a few......no manager has a perfect buying record, including TP... give the man a chance....!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 22, 2015, 07:51:18 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 22, 2015, 07:36:15 AM
Again we find ourselves knocking TP before he has even bought a player........he is after certain players for certain reasons, lets judge him once he has put the team together and we have seen them

Its pointless mentioning players he has bought that have not worked out, even the great Sir Alex bought a few turkeys... remember Djemba Djemba, or Veron [£28.1m!] to name a few......no manager has a perfect buying record, including TP... give the man a chance....!
Are you not aware of how this forum works? ;D

Pulis record in the transfer market is not great and his attempted dealings in the transfer market were essentially his downfall at Palace. He may have a significant part in the final say as to who we buy and I do not expect we will purchase anyone he hasn't agreed to but I would have serious concerns if we handed over complete control to him (and haven't the club already come out and said this is not the case?) Essentially our transfer policy hasn't changed, just the personnel?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 22, 2015, 08:01:52 AM
Fully aware of how this forum works thank you.

It is clear that TP appears to have a major say in who is or is not joining the club. This appears to be a departure from JP's policy and is a brave step. However, our recent record has been poor to put it mildly. Personally I welcome the move. Hopefully it will be a success, but if it does 'crash and burn' then only he will be responsible, and not some suits who still manage to retain their positions despite costing us millions.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 22, 2015, 08:44:20 AM
I don't think there have been any major changes in our infrastructure since TP arrived. The HC has always had an input & indeed the final say into who comes in to the FC. I doubt if any of the players we are being associated with at the moment, have not been previously identified as potential from our "Scouting Mechanism".

IMO the contentious area is, players leaving. HC's are always going to try to hedge there bets & hold on to players who might be useful, on the other hand, with a finite budget, they have to release some, to fund the incoming players. It's a question of judgement on whether what you've got is better or worse than what's out there. Personally, I think we gave ourselves a mountain to climb by releasing 13 players at the same time as bringing in a new DoF & HC

As far as the departure of two of our long serving members of the scouting team, has anyone considered that it might be methodology that's determined it, as opposed to performance? Why would you need scouts on the ground to identify players, when there's a widely available global database?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 22, 2015, 09:10:01 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on January 22, 2015, 08:44:20 AM
I don't think there have been any major changes in our infrastructure since TP arrived. The HC has always had an input & indeed the final say into who comes in to the FC. I doubt if any of the players we are being associated with at the moment, have not been previously identified as potential from our "Scouting Mechanism".

IMO the contentious area is, players leaving. HC's are always going to try to hedge there bets & hold on to players who might be useful, on the other hand, with a finite budget, they have to release some, to fund the incoming players. It's a question of judgement on whether what you've got is better or worse than what's out there. Personally, I think we gave ourselves a mountain to climb by releasing 13 players at the same time as bringing in a new DoF & HC

As far as the departure of two of our long serving members of the scouting team, has anyone considered that it might be methodology that's determined it, as opposed to performance? Why would you need scouts on the ground to identify players, when there's a widely available global database?


Good points, although I refuse to believe that as HC Irvine had any say on the players we acquired this summer........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 22, 2015, 09:31:53 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 22, 2015, 09:10:01 AM

Good points, although I refuse to believe that as HC Irvine had any say on the players we acquired this summer........

It's fair to say that all the players who came in last summer put pen to paper after AI was appointed, but 13 players were released before he arrived. Therefore, although he had the opportunity to say no, the choice was either it's this player or nobody.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 22, 2015, 09:37:43 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on January 22, 2015, 09:31:53 AM
It's fair to say that all the players who came in last summer put pen to paper after AI was appointed, but 13 players were released before he arrived. Therefore, although he had the opportunity to say no, the choice was either it's this player or nobody.


I can see your point, have to admit that it was a very surreal few weeks last summer.......hopefully we have learnt from it.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on January 22, 2015, 10:05:28 AM
At Stoke, Pulis had Peter Coates' huge cheque book to play with. As we well know, Jeremy's is considerably smaller!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 22, 2015, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: chippyclarke on January 22, 2015, 10:05:28 AM
At Stoke, Pulis had Peter Coates' huge cheque book to play with. As we well know, Jeremy's is considerably smaller!



doesnt Coates own 888 and similar companires etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 22, 2015, 10:18:29 AM
In simple terms the 'head coach/ manager' (leader of the playing side) needs to ensure players signed will fit into the squad/ team structure he has.

We can argue it was tail wagging dog before or we could argue the dog (Irvine/ Mel/ Clarke) didn't bark loud enough or have his plan for the squad clearly enough. Clarke winged to the press but the results didn't come.

That's all in the past now and it seems to me we still have 'layers' of recruitment like we've always had (scouting, reports, interviews, Terry Burton/ Merv Day/ Pulis discussing how the players will fit in, negotiations, lawyers). The big difference now seems (my perception) to be a Pulis knows clearly what he wants and will make sure he gets it, hence the apparent many bids we've submitted. Stoke fans I know have already predicted exactly the type of players we'll sign and they'll be proven right I'm sure. If the results happen on the pitch (like they have in Pulis' previous jobs, then I'm happy.....for a while at least  ;D).

The Everton and Hull matches reminded me of Roy's first six months in charge - solid, defend, get a result. This is what we've missed since Jan 2013 when Clarke began losing too much.

If in January and in the summer we add some good attackers to this squad, I think we'd be a pretty tough game for anyone with Pulis in charge. It seems in the past few years 10%-20% of our signings have come off so you'd hope it's not too difficult to try to improve this from now on!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on January 22, 2015, 11:18:09 AM
I think that the switch to a more UK based team helps on the unity front.  Last week we had 10 UK based players (including big Vic) and only Yacob matured overseas.  This was one of Pulis' first goals.  (Recognising... there was definitely an element of this under Irvine too.)

Having seen him quickly move on players that initially seemed to offer a lot, but in reality have been pretty ineffective you can tell that Pulis means business, demands commitment and is pretty cut-throat when he needs to be.

With less than 11 days in this transfer window its difficult to see where the players that are really going to make a difference are going to come from.  Ejecting this many players before any arrivals suggests confidence that better players will arrive.  Fingers crossed, but (maybe I've been brainwashed over the years) I think its going to be very difficult to bring in more than a couple of players that are going to have a decent impact on the 1st team.  Historically we're lucky if there is one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 22, 2015, 11:35:56 AM
There could be 5 or 6 gone . Leaves room for 4 decent signings .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 22, 2015, 12:43:57 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 22, 2015, 12:09:47 AM
Pulis' most important job now he's got the defence sorted is getting a tune out of Youssuff Mulumbu. Easily our best player at the top of his form.
Yes, couldn't agree more. Mulumbu's been a bit out of sorts for a while, maybe sympathy for Anelka was part of it, but for Irvine to basically drop him from the first XI was bonkers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Crosser on January 22, 2015, 02:42:33 PM
Maybe some of our Academy boys are going to get a chance, or do the Powers that Be think it's too much of a risk?
Other teams are willing to blood youngsters. Who is to say maybe a couple of ours may blossom with some exposure and responsibility. :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 22, 2015, 02:42:53 PM
just throwing this out there, maybe TP has come in, he found a split dressing room, along newbies and oldies lines.
 
Now his doctrine of unity meanswork to unite or  keep 1 half ditch the other (regardless of skills). His decision then due to time constraints is do I ditch
a) the basically british, Premier League experienced, old guard, or
b) varied origin, no history of PL, newbies

so TP has come down on the side of the old guard (please note, I'm avoiding the word clique). Which seems pretty sensible.

Now he has to bring in replacements, who will gel with the old guard, what will they be??  Its a fair assumption that they will be British, ex-prem players, not top class (cost), so likely workmanlike, solid and that means performances will be ..............

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yamaka on January 22, 2015, 03:04:36 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 22, 2015, 02:42:53 PM
just throwing this out there, maybe TP has come in, he found a split dressing room, along newbies and oldies lines.
 
Now his doctrine of unity meanswork to unite or  keep 1 half ditch the other (regardless of skills). His decision then due to time constraints is do I ditch
a) the basically british, Premier League experienced, old guard, or
b) varied origin, no history of PL, newbies

so TP has come down on the side of the old guard (please note, I'm avoiding the word clique). Which seems pretty sensible.

Now he has to bring in replacements, who will gel with the old guard, what will they be??  Its a fair assumption that they will be British, ex-prem players, not top class (cost), so likely workmanlike, solid and that means performances will be ..............

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that the scenario you have postulated is not a million miles away from reality. If true I find it deeply troubling. Unfortunately we can only be pragmatic about the situation right now but depending on the outcome of the season I would like to wish the "old guards" well and invite some brightness into the ranks.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: colinmax on January 23, 2015, 07:27:00 AM
Some people criticised our performance on Monday night as boring and moaned at TP's tactics.
I accept that many of the watching millions thought the same but I thought it was a really professional defensive display and as one scribe said I found my adrenalin pumping.
Now cast your mind back 2 years to a match in the same city when we were pummelled for 80 minutes,the home side missed a penalty yet in the last 10 minutes we scored 2 and could have had 5.
Also what about Tuesday evening's televised match when the away side only had one shot and that was a penalty yet has anyone called Chelsea and Mourinho's tactics boring?
Lay off TP until he has had a chance to sort our under performing team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2015, 10:09:31 AM
In TP we trust
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 23, 2015, 12:16:53 PM
I know I'm going to gets dogs abuse for this, but here goes,

I'm more than a little sceptical about the blind faith we are putting in TP.

yes we needed change, and he was / is the best option available, never the less I worry that we are throwing the baby out with the bath water. I do REALLY hope my concern is unfounded.

waits for it ....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 23, 2015, 12:39:42 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 23, 2015, 12:16:53 PM
I know I'm going to gets dogs abuse for this, but here goes,

I'm more than a little sceptical about the blind faith we are putting in TP.

yes we needed change, and he was / is the best option available, never the less I worry that we are throwing the baby out with the bath water. I do REALLY hope my concern is unfounded.

waits for it ....

I can understand you may have reservations, but what specifically do you mean by the metaphor "throwing the baby out with the bath water" and what exactly are your concerns??

JP has put his faith in footballing men in the past, successfully with Dan Ashworth, since then we have had a series of, alleged, footballing men, or otherwise, who have proven to be unsuccessful. In TP we have a footballing man with a wealth of experience, a proven track record, ability and a genuine understanding of what it takes to run a PL football club, keep it in the division and competitive.

TP knows the player's he needs to fit the system he wants to play at this time, but like all managers / coaches he may get it wrong occasionally, even SAF did ant Man Utd. Personally I have total faith and confidence in his ability as a footballing man with our club, based on his track record and not blind faith. Only time will tell if he will be successful at the Albion, but his record, and that's all we can go on, suggest he will be, all things being equal of course (backing for owner, players, supports et al)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 23, 2015, 12:48:00 PM
We will wait to see . While Irvine was here I fully blamed the players for our predicament . With the addition of a few players who PULIS wants I am hopefull we will stop up .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 23, 2015, 12:52:06 PM
I guess its the seemingly wholesale changes of personnel,

are all the players we are getting rid of unsuitable ?
were both chief scouts sub-standard ?
Did all the coaches who went deserve to go?

In the case of Keily, letting him go without a viable replacement seems naive
The bringing in of Jewell without an agreed / supportable package - just plain daft IMO

I'm likely to be totally wrong, but it seems to be TP is taking actions without considered plans behind them, if that is repeated with on the pitch recruitment we could be in trouble IMO

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 23, 2015, 12:56:46 PM
For me, with TP in charge I automatically feel more confident of getting something out of games than I do when AI was in charge.

Players constantly come out saying how much of a nice guy AI was, I havent seen that happen with TP yet, and I hope I dont see stories like that.

Managers arent there to be 'nice guys', they are the man in charge, the man to install discipline, and most importantly, the man the players respect and will work for.

We saw time and time again, players saying AI was lovely guy, but they never seemed to put a performance in.

I have no doubt in my mind that with AI in charge we would have drawn 0-0 or suffered a 1-0 defeat at home to Hull, and against Everton we would have lost.

TP demands that respect which I dont think AI could. He demands a high level performance from every player, and most of all he aint afraid to ship people out, as we have seen the last few days, I firmly believe the players leaving now, wouldnt be leaving had AI still been here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on January 23, 2015, 01:13:04 PM
Can't turn pooh to wine or whatever.

So has to work with what he has until can mould it how he would like with own players. Who unlike some of the current lot aren't utter dross and actually fancy playing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2015, 02:04:03 PM
so whats his shelf life? 2 years i say. hes the right bloke for now but he will grind us down with his style long term, just ask Eddie
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 23, 2015, 03:07:17 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 23, 2015, 12:52:06 PM
I guess its the seemingly wholesale changes of personnel,

are all the players we are getting rid of unsuitable ?
were both chief scouts sub-standard ?
Did all the coaches who went deserve to go?

In the case of Keily, letting him go without a viable replacement seems naive
The bringing in of Jewell without an agreed / supportable package - just plain daft IMO

I'm likely to be totally wrong, but it seems to be TP is taking actions without considered plans behind them, if that is repeated with on the pitch recruitment we could be in trouble IMO

I think, to be honest, that we all know the answer to the players, scouts and coaching staff questions given their past performance, where applicable, and the new head coaches approach.

A new brush will always sweep clean and considering comments on here about BF performances of late, that may indicate why Keily departed. If you believe press reports he had GK coach lined up but that was overtaken by the coaches domestic issues.

PJ was out of work and TP offered him a route back in. How much responsibility does PJ have to ensure all the terms of the contract were correct, in place and signed before he took up the post? That, it appears, is yet to be determined by Solicitors, if it has the legs.

I don't think for one minute that TP hasn't got a plan of action already mapped out for the short-term and also the medium-term. But, as John Steinbeck quoted, "The best-laid plans of mice and men / Often go awry".

Finally, at the end of the day, the only opinion that really counts is TP's and I for one am more than happy to go along with him.

Keep the faith and believe as I'm sure are and do :D :D :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 23, 2015, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: wba606 on January 21, 2015, 11:16:18 PM
jones for 8 million and  palacios for over 10 million are probably his most worst signings
and fergie brought djemba djemba, anderson and taibi, someone once paid 50m for torres and 35m for carroll , fact is TP got stoke up, stabilised them and made other teams fear them..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 23, 2015, 04:01:57 PM
His record at buying people isn't great, but if he could somehow overlap buying 10 utter duds and getting us midtable, then so be it.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on January 23, 2015, 04:44:07 PM
Pulis makes a lot of those signings that many would consider shocking but he does in fairness often do alright out a lot of those kind of players. People like Whitehead and Walters would have been considered poor signings if we got them when Stoke did but turned into effective, if not exciting players who kept Stoke from ever being in a relegation battle.

It'll be boring, most the signings too will, and you can probably say goodbye to the likes of Nabi ever having a chance here, but the trade off is he'll probably keep us out of relegation battles and hopefully leave the club with something for someone else to build on, like he did for Hughes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 23, 2015, 05:34:09 PM
I agree Dan, I remember it was a straight race between us and Stoke for Carson, we won and he was a flop, they got the second place prize, Sorensen who at the time wasn't as rated and was a steady number one for years at Stoke before Begovic came along. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 23, 2015, 05:45:02 PM
Quote from: Dan on January 23, 2015, 04:44:07 PM
Pulis makes a lot of those signings that many would consider shocking but he does in fairness often do alright out a lot of those kind of players. People like Whitehead and Walters would have been considered poor signings if we got them when Stoke did but turned into effective, if not exciting players who kept Stoke from ever being in a relegation battle.

It'll be boring, most the signings too will, and you can probably say goodbye to the likes of Nabi ever having a chance here, but the trade off is he'll probably keep us out of relegation battles and hopefully leave the club with something for someone else to build on, like he did for Hughes.

Most logical sense I've seen on here regarding signings. I remember us being linked to Walters and many were disgusted by the link but he's done a decent job at Stoke. A regular in a side that mostly do better than us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 23, 2015, 05:51:38 PM
Although I agree that he'll get the best out of what he has, when he leaves he'll leave us with a squad of average players. Also, wouldn't it be even better if you put together Pulis' management ability AND high quality signings? Imagine how well we could do with a combination of both. Sadly, I believe scouting input will be totally disregarded in favour of overrated, overpriced domestic players, in which case we might as well do away with the majority of our scouting system.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 23, 2015, 06:11:26 PM
I don't think you can ask for both, Pulis is fairly arrogant (and rightly so), so I couldn't see him letting someone else handle transfers, and as the past few years have shown, just because someone is a designated scout it doesn't mean that it will work.
The whole setup under Pulis is very similar to Hodgson, which is only a good thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2015, 07:24:57 PM
Seen quite a few comments floating around about how we should keep the faith with Pulis in regards to his playing style, and that Palace were anything from good to watch to one of the most attacking sides in the league last season.

I actually think on the pitch Pulis will do fine for us in terms of results (I have concerns about his impact off the pitch) but I think people are trying to kid themselves if they think Palace were some sort of attacking side last season, let alone a decent one. They had games where they played well, and games where they stunk the joint out much like most sides between 8th and 20th. But to say they were attacking is delusional in my opinion.

Im fully aware stats can be misleading, that they dont tell the whole story and I'd rather watch a game with my own eyes than rely on statistics. Also take in to account Pulis took over 11 games in. However some select stats below from last season

Goals scored 19th for the season
Goals scored from when Pulis took over 27 in 27 (would of been 18th averaged over the season, less than Villa and 5 less than us. They also scored 5 in the last 2, until then they were comfortably lowest scorers)
Goals from open play 19h
Short passes 20th
Shots per game 20th
Short pass accuracy 20th
Pass accuracy 20th
Possession 20th (the difference between Palace and West Ham in 19th was greater than the difference between 19th and 11th)

So maybe he's a manager who gets the ball wide, gets his wingers dribbling and gets crosses in to the box. Nothing wrong with that style, can be good to watch

Crosses per game 19th
Dribbles per game 13th (Albion, who we all realise have practically nobody who can dribble were 12th)
Attack left side of pitch 13th
Attack right side of pitch 10th
Attack centre of pitch 13th

So they didn't shift it wide and get the wingers running at full backs. Maybe they're a counter attacking side? They scored 2 goals on the counter all season.

Im not having a go at Pulis as such. Personally I found Mondays game almost unwatchable at times, god knows what a neutral would of thought but thats not our concern. However I appreciate theres many others on here who dont seem to care how we play as long as we stay up and thats fair enough. But can we cut the 'Palace were a good/great attacking side last season' especially after the abuse 90% of us were giving Stoke (rightly so) when Pulis was there.

As someone else said on the Ameobi thread, were going to see plenty more signings like him whilst Pulis is here. Its no surprise so far we've signed/signing Ameobi and sold Blanco and Varela even though the one thing we are crying out for is creativity and pace.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 23, 2015, 08:03:30 PM
The most important statistic from that period: Win rate - 42%

I don't see what you will achieve by dissecting the performance stats. At the end of the day they were a group of Championship players who would have got relegated if he didn't take over. The praise he got in the football world was universal for that reason.

I've just compared the previous West Brom managers on Wikipedia. The only managers to have a win rate over 40% in the last 15 seasons have been Gary Megson, Tony Mowbray and Roberto Di Matteo. Take away their Championship games and they would all be similar to Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2015, 08:20:51 PM
Nobodys debating he's a solid appointment for us. On the pitch he's likely to keep us where we are although I have concerns about the impact he will have on the club in other areas.

My post was in response to other comments such as this as I stated

'You are one of the few people who have I have heard say palace didn't play nice football under Pulis last season. I think they played some of the best football in the league.'


Its rubbish. Im not doubting they were effective, im not disputing results wise he did a decent job at Stoke for the first couple of seasons and a fantastic job at Palace. Im saying anyone who thinks Palace played attractive or attacking football is wrong and probably saw a few clips on MOTD or the last 20 mins v Liverpool. Anyone who thinks were going to do much more than lump it up to a target man, hope Berahino snatches a goal from a scramble whilst playing 2 rigid banks of 4/5 on the edge of our box is going to be seriously disappointed. If your hoping for an away win against a team in the top 8 you can likely forget it and I imagine most of the football we play from now on will make Megsons side look like Barcelona.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 23, 2015, 08:45:27 PM
I enjoyed watching the video of Pulis talking about the West Midlands today. He seems a warm guy with a good sense of humour who I'd like to work for. He'll do well here I think because he has energy and won't be downbeat , something the fans will find contagious I hope !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 23, 2015, 08:50:18 PM
Astle1968 - I think at home, Palace did genuinely play entertaining stuff (using fast players to counter on the wing).

Away however, they were more defensive. I think this will be the case for us this season, more attacking at home, pretty 'ugly' football away. This is quite similar to Roy Hodgson, it won't be samba football but it will be effective, and that is what most want.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2015, 09:39:42 PM
14 goals in 14 games under Pulis at home (including 3 in a freak 20 mins in their last game against Liverpool)

I'll buy that they were perfectly watchable at times at home. I'll agree to dsagree and it arguably comes to opinions on whats attractive but I still dont agree they were exciting, entertaining, attacking etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on January 24, 2015, 02:09:42 PM
I wish he would sign some braves at the rate of knots he signs chiefs, yet another one joins baggies coaching staff, Mark O'Connor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 02:24:30 PM
Quote from: Baggies54 on January 24, 2015, 02:09:42 PM
I wish he would sign some braves at the rate of knots he signs chiefs, yet another one joins baggies coaching staff, Mark O'Connor.

can't sign indians, they are foreign !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on January 24, 2015, 02:33:30 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 02:24:30 PM
can't sign indians, they are foreign !!

I will treat that remark with some reservation.... ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 02:38:44 PM
Quote from: Baggies54 on January 24, 2015, 02:33:30 PM
I will treat that remark with some reservation.... ;)

slings and arrows
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 24, 2015, 05:23:30 PM
Can't believe the stick Pulis gets, he can't suddenly turn us into a team that is amazing from GK to striker. We need to sort the basics and defence first. You can't win by scoring 2 if you concede at least 2 more often than not.

How many have we conceded since he joined?

He's identified the need for wingers, pace and strikers as well as a midfield box to boxer (Fletcher) so we really shouldn't write him off so soon, let the man get his own players in first at least.

Yes the midfield is very pedestrian and we aren't happy with it but neither is he!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2015, 05:45:39 PM
Quote from: lewisant on January 24, 2015, 05:23:30 PM

How many have we conceded since he joined?

None against a conference side.
None against a relegation threatened team that lost their only fit strikers twenty minutes into the game.
None against the team at the bottom of the current form table. (And stopped us from having a single shot on target all game)
One against a Championship team.

Can not do much better than that but it isn't as impressive as some are making out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on January 24, 2015, 05:51:56 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2015, 05:45:39 PM
None against a conference side.
None against a relegation threatened team that lost their only fit strikers twenty minutes into the game.
None against the team at the bottom of the current form table. (And stopped us from having a single shot on target all game)
One against a Championship team.

Can not do much better than that but it isn't as impressive as some are making out.

Certainly more impressive then the 22% of your Idol.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 05:55:57 PM
I'm really concerned about some of the stuff happening on & off the pitch at present, however I was equally concerned when AI joined and I said I'd give him until xmas, so its only right to give TP some time as well.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2015, 05:57:57 PM
Quote from: wbastrollers on January 24, 2015, 05:51:56 PM
Certainly more impressive then the 22% of your Idol.
What has Barry Manillow got to do with anything? :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2015, 05:57:57 PM
What has Barry Manillow got to do with anything? :P

Is he 6 foot 4, english and can he play wide right? please,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 24, 2015, 07:01:58 PM
Again not pretty and not the best to watch but we won. Five games unbeaten now this year. You can only beat whats in front of you. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2015, 08:23:59 PM
cant argue with the results,but its horrible to watch,why lescott at left backback,he didn't look comfortable and why risk him there in case he got injured,gardner on right wing when everyone reckons he plays with pace on wings,baird on for sess too,he is the luckiest manager ive seen so far
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 24, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
 Lescott at left back was not a complete shock he really does not like attacking full backs to such an extent he would rather play a Centre Back there than trust Pocognoli.

Further thoughts on the Pulis revolution and how it might go for our current squad (generally badly in my view)

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/it-s-dog-and-it-barks.html

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 24, 2015, 08:40:54 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 24, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
Lescott at left back was not a complete shock he really does not like attacking full backs to such an extent he would rather play a Centre Back there than trust Pocognoli.

Further thoughts on the Pulis revolution and how it might go for our current squad (generally badly in my view)

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/it-s-dog-and-it-barks.html

Full backs were a massive issue at Stoke. Who did he have as full backs for Palace?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 24, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on January 24, 2015, 08:40:54 PM
Full backs were a massive issue at Stoke. Who did he have as full backs for Palace?

Yeah I seem to recall TP's refusal to sign a left back were doing even the hard core Pulis supporter's heads in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 24, 2015, 08:59:46 PM
Quote from: GrGr on January 24, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
Yeah I seem to recall TP's refusal to sign a left back were doing even the hard core Pulis supporter's heads in.

Under Roy we had Ridgewell and Reid who were both converted full backs. Both helped with additional aerial presence and had success in the system he employed.

Some of the most tedious football I have seen supporting West Brom was under Roy, I think the football under Mowbray in the Premiership was tippy tappy rubbish too so sometimes it's simply a  matter of perception. What's crucial and what it is about ultimately is what's successful and Pulis will get results even if it's in an ugly fashion. We might play 4 centre backs in defence, 2 defensive midfielders, 2 wingers in midfield and 2 lumps up front but no doubt we'll pick up results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2015, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 24, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
Lescott at left back was not a complete shock he really does not like attacking full backs to such an extent he would rather play a Centre Back there than trust Pocognoli.

Further thoughts on the Pulis revolution and how it might go for our current squad (generally badly in my view)

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/it-s-dog-and-it-barks.html
that makes an interesting and so far true read,i would have pocognoli  starting,im not sure im going to like watching the albion until we get the wingers in at least
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 24, 2015, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on January 24, 2015, 08:59:46 PM
Under Roy we had Ridgewell and Reid who were both converted full backs. Both helped with additional aerial presence and had success in the system he employed.

Some of the most tedious football I have seen supporting West Brom was under Roy, I think the football under Mowbray in the Premiership was tippy tappy rubbish too so sometimes it's simply a  matter of perception. What's crucial and what it is about ultimately is what's successful and Pulis will get results even if it's in an ugly fashion. We might play 4 centre backs in defence, 2 defensive midfielders, 2 wingers in midfield and 2 lumps up front but no doubt we'll pick up results.

I think yor spot on mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 24, 2015, 09:42:57 PM
 :P
Quote from: KingKoren on January 24, 2015, 08:40:54 PM
Full backs were a massive issue at Stoke. Who did he have as full backs for Palace?

Ok, so he prefers the width to come further up the field.  I've got no problem with that., provided that we buy good wingers!

Full backs have not really been our strength since the days of Batson and Statham!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 24, 2015, 09:44:04 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on January 24, 2015, 08:59:46 PM
Under Roy we had Ridgewell and Reid who were both converted full backs. Both helped with additional aerial presence and had success in the system he employed.

Some of the most tedious football I have seen supporting West Brom was under Roy, I think the football under Mowbray in the Premiership was tippy tappy rubbish too so sometimes it's simply a  matter of perception. What's crucial and what it is about ultimately is what's successful and Pulis will get results even if it's in an ugly fashion. We might play 4 centre backs in defence, 2 defensive midfielders, 2 wingers in midfield and 2 lumps up front but no doubt we'll pick up results.
Spot on Mowbray and Pepe were our two worst managers in my opinion. I wish TP had joined us after leaving Stoke.
This is a results, business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 24, 2015, 09:46:50 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on January 24, 2015, 09:42:57 PM
:P
Ok, so he prefers the width to come further up the field.  I've got no problem with that., provided that we buy good wingers!

Full backs have not really been our strength since the days of Batson and Statham!

Don't think any fan would dispute that, we have none currently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 10:12:28 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on January 24, 2015, 09:44:04 PM
Spot on Mowbray and Pepe were our two worst managers in my opinion. I wish TP had joined us after leaving Stoke.
This is a results, business.

FGS its an entertainment business, if it was results only why would there be a 3rd / 4th division  ????
World cup would be 4 countries .....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2015, 10:23:25 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on January 24, 2015, 09:44:04 PM
Spot on Mowbray and Pepe were our two worst managers in my opinion. I wish TP had joined us after leaving Stoke.
This is a results, business.
it would be great to have mowbrays style and pulis results
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 24, 2015, 10:25:08 PM
Gents think of this . If it's an entertainment industry we are being ripped off and have been since the seventies . Winning ugly can be intoxicating.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 24, 2015, 10:30:44 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 10:12:28 PM
FGS its an entertainment business, if it was results only why would there be a 3rd / 4th division  ????
World cup would be 4 countries .....
You are obviously well entertained under the Mowbray nonsense of having us praised by opposing managers after they turned us over.
I am not when giving away 2 or 3 nil leads  your views are far away from mine. I want to win with a bit of guile and common sense. A lot of work was put in by Gary Megson to drag us up. Now we are here I want "grown-ups" In charge not dick heads.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
beautiful game - ugly game ??

 Pele, cruyff, Maradona, or Beckenbauer, butragueno (sp), jackie charlton
i know which i prefer,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 24, 2015, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
beautiful game - ugly game ??

 Pele, cruyff, Maradona, or Beckenbauer, butragueno (sp), jackie charlton
i know which i prefer,

Would that be Big Jack then??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on January 24, 2015, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on January 24, 2015, 08:59:46 PM
Under Roy we had Ridgewell and Reid who were both converted full backs. Both helped with additional aerial presence and had success in the system he employed.

Some of the most tedious football I have seen supporting West Brom was under Roy, I think the football under Mowbray in the Premiership was tippy tappy rubbish too so sometimes it's simply a  matter of perception. What's crucial and what it is about ultimately is what's successful and Pulis will get results even if it's in an ugly fashion. We might play 4 centre backs in defence, 2 defensive midfielders, 2 wingers in midfield and 2 lumps up front but no doubt we'll pick up results.

Sorry but Swansea and Southampton have proved that you can win football matches in the Premier League with some style and entertainment.

I hate watching us defend for 90 minutes at Everton, create one chance which was an 8 yard free kick against Hull and defend for our lives for 60 minutes against an average at best Birmingham City team.

I think we are better than that but thats what we will get from Pulis.  Some will like that some wont.  I just cant get excited about it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2015, 10:50:42 PM
No its not pretty and I doubt it will be for the rest of the season at least but under Pulis we will get a solid foundation to build from which has started already with today seeing us concede our first goal under him (second if you want to be pedantic and include West Ham).

People have to accept where we are at the moment and the poor performances and results we have had so far this season and for the last couple as well. Time to go back to basics, start from the back and build.

No I don't "like" it but I understand we now have a bloke who if he cannot get what he wants from the squad will get players in that he can get what he wants from so a few will be on their bike in the Summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 24, 2015, 10:51:12 PM
Of cause alby . Don't you think it's hard for clubs like us . Apart from the top 5 the rest of us are scratting around for results . If we need good open attacking football we need some massive backer . Until then I will be happy to just be there . Let's keep our great club in the premier that's all that matters. My son .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 24, 2015, 11:02:27 PM
So far so good I think. He's played strong teams in the cup to get us to the last 16, four points out of six in the Premier League. We've seen teams like Chelsea and City get knocked out the cup today against lower league opposition and we go to Blues who are in excellent form and grab the win. Winning football is good football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbalucas on January 24, 2015, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: charliemike on January 24, 2015, 10:51:12 PM
Of cause alby . Don't you think it's hard for clubs like us . Apart from the top 5 the rest of us are scratting around for results . If we need good open attacking football we need some massive backer . Until then I will be happy to just be there . Let's keep our great club in the premier that's all that matters. My son .

Totally agree people we are winning games it might not be pretty or free flowing attacking football but are we really going to winge about winning games. We don't have a cash happy chairman that's going to splash millions on flashy atacking players . We are definding well and getting wins or picking up points away from home. So give me a 1.0 win over a 5.2 lose any day of the week
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 24, 2015, 11:09:21 PM
Yep, let's stay in the Premier League by any means. It's the best league in the world, but we can make a mockery of it with a style of play that's an affront to entertainment. Sorry, but for me football has to be about more than we're serving up at present. I'm just hoping that we can get players in that will enable us be more positive, but the worrying signs are that the old guard has been reverted to yet again and, more than that, they're now being played out of position.

There are clubs showing that you can be OK in this league playing attractive football whose owners don't have budgets that are much higher than us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 24, 2015, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on January 24, 2015, 10:30:44 PM
Now we are here I want "grown-ups" In charge not dick heads.
I was quite happy with a dickhead who brought us our first league title for donkey's years, a cup-semi final and a play-off final.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 24, 2015, 11:12:52 PM
who said that you need to play open attacking football, just play decent football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 24, 2015, 11:14:32 PM
under roy we played good football until he tried to persist with 4-4-2
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 24, 2015, 11:16:29 PM
In my 52 years of watching us , very rarely have we had a top top flight club . 5 years in the seventies ok . But we have had a good cup history . Our problem is we are only a small club money wise . I am happy to be in the top flight . The football is not pretty I know . But hey last 16 here we come . Cup draw Monday reminds me of 1966-1970 . Keep the faith boys .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbalucas on January 24, 2015, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: wba606 on January 24, 2015, 11:12:52 PM
who said that you need to play open attacking football, just play decent football

So what is decent football mean to you then
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 24, 2015, 11:37:19 PM
Quote from: charliemike on January 24, 2015, 11:16:29 PM
In my 52 years of watching us , very rarely have we had a top top flight club . 5 years in the seventies ok . But we have had a good cup history . Our problem is we are only a small club money wise . I am happy to be in the top flight . The football is not pretty I know . But hey last 16 here we come . Cup draw Monday reminds me of 1966-1970 . Keep the faith boys .
Exactly, a happy set of coincidences gave us Regis (bought with the managers own money), Robson (came up through the ranks) and Cunningham (inspired buy) who gelled with the pre-existing setup under a self promoting chancer (Atkinson) and made decent players like Ally Brown, Batson and Cantello feel and play like kings for a too short period when we also still had Tony Brown nearly at his 60s best.  I thought when Lukaku was banging them in and we were winning away all over the place we were getting close to that band-of-brothers thing again, but it kind of slipped away didn't it?

But I'm happy right now if Pulis keeps us up with Anichebe getting a few in off the post or off the defenders laces like today.

And please can we win the f***ing cup this year, I've been waiting since 1968. :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 24, 2015, 11:47:19 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 24, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
Lescott at left back was not a complete shock he really does not like attacking full backs to such an extent he would rather play a Centre Back there than trust Pocognoli.

Further thoughts on the Pulis revolution and how it might go for our current squad (generally badly in my view)

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/it-s-dog-and-it-barks.html

i remember Hoefkens saying when he joined us that he wasn't allowed to go past the halfway line while at Stoke
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 24, 2015, 11:49:15 PM
Regarding the 'ugliness' of Pulis, can people not criticize until after the window? He keeps stressing about maintaining possession and supposedly his buys will help improve this. He can only use the hand he's dealt right now, and that is a fairly average midfield, I'm sure a few buys (new winger & central midfielder) would change a lot of this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 24, 2015, 11:53:53 PM
Playing good football can mean many things to me;
Man Utd under Fergie were direct but good to watch
Brazil 70 were wonderful at keeping the ball but doing something with it
Barca a few years ago were superb with a very possession based game
Megsons Albion were great at defending and snatching late dramatic goals
Italian 90 , Enhland didn't play well but it was bloody exciting (for a 13 yr old)
Mowbrays Albion in the Championship were flowing and free

The fact is I follow Albion as well as the game of football. I can appreciate other team's football but the difference is, it pisses me off when Albion lose regardless of how we've played. The Mowbrsy prem season was so infuriating hearing others praise the way we played after beating us.

The golden formula for me is
Albion win whilst playing quick, incisive football.

I don't want to watch Albion lose.
I find the possession based game with a slow build up very boring (ask Villa fans).

I believe with some pace and power on the wings and upfront, we might see some quick counter attacking, incisive football under  Pulis. He needs this window and the Summer I'm my view until we see what he's building.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 24, 2015, 11:59:29 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 24, 2015, 11:49:15 PM
Regarding the 'ugliness' of Pulis, can people not criticize untVarela in the window? He keeps stressing about maintaining possession and supposedly his buys will help improve this. He can only use the hand he's dealt right now, and that is a fairly average midfield, I'm sure a few buys (new winger & central midfielder) would change a lot of this.

I'm no fan of Pulis and im very doubtful about it all, but you make a fair point. My worry is about the changes made so far. In particular Varela.  But we don't know what goes on behind closed doors of course.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 25, 2015, 12:08:20 AM
Quote from: frazzle on January 24, 2015, 11:59:29 PM
I'm no fan of Pulis and im very doubtful about it all, but you make a fair point. My worry is about the changes made so far. In particular Varela.  But we don't know what goes on behind closed doors of course.
I agree regarding Varela, however I seem to remember someone with a Portugese link at the start of the season say how Varela had an attitude problem which may explain it. If it's not his attitude, then the decision is truly baffling I must admit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 25, 2015, 07:40:35 AM
Quote from: darbolina on January 24, 2015, 11:53:53 PM
I find the possession based game with a slow build up very boring (ask Villa fans).
Is frequently losing possession and playing attritional, cynical and defensive football exciting?

Quote from: darbolina on January 24, 2015, 11:53:53 PM
I believe with some pace and power on the wings and upfront, we might see some quick counter attacking, incisive football under  Pulis. He needs this window and the Summer I'm my view until we see what he's building.
Players who would offer a natural counter-attacking threat like Gamboa, Varela and Blanco are being drummed out of the club in favour of currently playing 4 centre-backs and no wingers at all (unless you regard Sessegnon as one), so it will be interesting to see what happens before the transfer window closes.

Pulis is certainly putting the pressure on the Chairman: "We have to get some players in. There are certain weaknesses in the team. The team is unbalanced. It was good to have a good look again today. It is unbalanced in a way that we have to sort out because we have to put certain things in place to make us a team that is going to be good in possession and good out of possession. That has to be done, so it is a big ten days. It is a massive ten days for the football club in respect of what we do. And I will just hope and pray that things drop for us.”

One of the reason we're unbalanced of course is having players playing out of position (like Gardner yesterday).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 25, 2015, 08:25:19 AM
I didn't see any other coaches out there that could get this squad winning and playing wonderful football, therefore I'll take one who can win games hopefully.. I didn't complain watching Megsons team because we progressed. Provided we progress under Pulis that's fine. We could move back to a 'purist'/ 'idealist' manager in a few years. The biggest lie about football currently is that making millions of passes ia great football! The best teams have always played from front to back quickly. Time will tell whether Pulis works out. The difference compared to AI is that I trust him enough to wait for things to develop whereas with AI I saw nothing in the past or present which lead me to bepieve it would work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on January 25, 2015, 08:47:10 AM
Quote from: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
beautiful game - ugly game ??

 Pele, cruyff, Maradona, or Beckenbauer, butragueno (sp), jackie charlton
i know which i prefer,

I'm hoping we have to play the one team to enable us to play the other next season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 09:07:40 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on January 24, 2015, 11:09:21 PM
Yep, let's stay in the Premier League by any means. It's the best league in the world, but we can make a mockery of it with a style of play that's an affront to entertainment. Sorry, but for me football has to be about more than we're serving up at present. I'm just hoping that we can get players in that will enable us be more positive, but the worrying signs are that the old guard has been reverted to yet again and, more than that, they're now being played out of position.

There are clubs showing that you can be OK in this league playing attractive football whose owners don't have budgets that are much higher than us.

Good post, and

Quote from: WorcsWBA on January 24, 2015, 11:11:15 PM
I was quite happy with a dickhead who brought us our first league title for donkey's years, a cup-semi final and a play-off final.

Very good post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 25, 2015, 09:13:36 AM
I fully back Pulis and for me I wait until he's got his own players in and probably into next season to judge him, BUT, I hope Lescott at LB was a cup thing. Pocognoli really has been one of our better performers all season, he's tall, strong and doesn't back out of a challenge and it would be a massive shame if Pulis doesn't fancy him and opts for pushing Lescott over or sticks Baird there. Baird can easily go over to RB with Poc in and Wisdom out.

Please don't drop Pocognoli !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 25, 2015, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: lewisant on January 25, 2015, 09:13:36 AM
I fully back Pulis and for me I wait until he's got his own players in and probably into next season to judge him, BUT, I hope Lescott at LB was a cup thing. Pocognoli really has been one of our better performers all season, he's tall, strong and doesn't back out of a challenge and it would be a massive shame if Pulis doesn't fancy him and opts for pushing Lescott over or sticks Baird there. Baird can easily go over to RB with Poc in and Wisdom out.

Please don't drop Pocognoli !

I wonder if it was an experiment to fit Olsson back in?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 25, 2015, 09:50:20 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on January 25, 2015, 09:36:59 AM
I wonder if it was an experiment to fit Olsson back in?

Yeah that could be a possibility for sure. I think I read once that Olsson used to play LB at a previous club. Maybe if Pulis has his way it'll be Dawson at RB too! I'd sooner see that than a midfield of all CMs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fatboy_coach on January 25, 2015, 10:00:04 AM
5Live were reporting it as a chance for TP to see Dawson and McAuley play together in a competitive game. Hopefully it was a one off cup thing as others have said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on January 25, 2015, 10:15:36 AM
If Man Utd are having trouble getting results, then why are people moaning about what we're seeing, at our level?

Man Utd are a million miles ahead of us, won dozens of trophies in the past 20 years, but look at them now. They are struggling to scrape results, losing at home etc yet they have some of the best players money can buy: Rooney, van Persie, Di Maria De Gea....

I was one of the many who moaned as soon as AI was unveiled, but I believe I had valid reason to: he had no PL experience, had been out of management for a number of years and his previous jobs included teams from lower leagues. We all knew he probably wouldn't last until Christmas so, why experiment? Why not just get the right person first time?

TP is the exact opposite: He has bags of experience, the past number of years keeping Stoke in the PL and doesn't take any stick from anyone. This is the exact thing we need. Players got comfortable under the old system and needed to have their butts kicked around the changing room. A massive clear out happened - something we all begged for all last season.

Yes, it's frustrating when we don't play well and win, but if you want that satisfaction every week (almost) of winning AND playing attractive football then you may as well go and watch someone like Chelsea or Man City. It doesn't even happen at Arsenal and Spurs, who are massive clubs.

TPs first game saw a 7-0 win, do you honestly think we'd have had that under the previous management? We'd have scraped a 1-0, if we were lucky. You could hear TP shouting instructions to get forward and attack right from the off. This guy means business and has the ability to keep us in the league. We need to toughen up and get some points on the board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 25, 2015, 10:51:05 AM
I think there is a certain amount of whistling in the dark going on here. Yes once there are a few different players maybe things will be a little less disjointed but the basic Pulisball model is well established. Fine get a couple of wingers in but if they are playing as deep as we did against Everton they are not going to make very much difference.

Hiring Pulis is giving up on anything else other than survival by any means possible although on the upside he does takes the cup's seriously and doesn't rotate his teams much so I would hope that a few cup runs to sustain interest.

Short term he is the right man for the job and I am happy to grinding out results but I don't believe it is really a transition to something that will ever be anything other than I slightly more progressive version of Pulisball. Longer term I do wonder where we will end up at the end of the Pulis era.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on January 25, 2015, 10:56:44 AM
So bad he's undefeated and close to getting Manager of the Month for January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 10:59:07 AM
Why do I keep reading 'if you want to win playing good football go watch Chelsea/Man City blah blah blah?' I doubt any West Brom fan believes this is possible in every game we play but so far in Tiny's reign we have beaten a mid table conference side who out footballed us for 40 minutes, scraped a fortunate 1-0 against (arguably) the worst team in the Prem, parked a Boeing 747 against a very defensively poor Everton team & showed no intent to win the game & yesterday put 11 men behind the ball for the whole of the second half against a very very average Championship side who looked like a rabbit in the headlights in the first half & were there for the taking without having to endure a squeaky bum last 20 minutes.

None of the following are mutually exclusive:

Win playing good football
Lose playing good football
Win playing ugly
Lose playing ugly

A balance is needed & Mr Pulis will receive my support for 90 minutes each week, for the remainder of the season in the hope he can get us playing any of the above four in a four match cycle, I hope those telling others to 'go watch other teams' will try to understand that, as fans we have an opinion too.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 25, 2015, 11:11:41 AM
'Good football' as a term is too vague. Playing good means different things to different people. If West Brom had more possession in the next game there will still be supporters on here saying the football is ugly.

Man United are a great example. For the first 60 minutes against QPR they had 65% possession and created 4 attempts. Lots of backwards and square passing to the 3 center halves. Controlling the ball and keeping all the opposition players in their half. Some West Broms on this thread would consider this good football.

The last 30 minutes, van Gaal switched to 4-4-2, brought on Fellaini for extra height and went more direct. The possession dropped to 50%, but they created 8 shots and converted 2 of those. Some people may consider that last 30 minutes ugly, but they were more dangerous and ended up winning the game.

Football is and will always be a results business. Owners and Chief Executives will bang on about entertainment to justify charging £40+ to watch a game of footy. But while the games are decided on goals and not on a score based system like Ice Skating, the result will always be more important.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 25, 2015, 11:22:03 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 25, 2015, 11:11:41 AM
'Good football' as a term is too vague. Playing good means different things to different people. If West Brom had more possession in the next game there will still be supporters on here saying the football is ugly.

Man United are a great example. For the first 60 minutes against QPR they had 65% possession and created 4 attempts. Lots of backwards and square passing to the 3 center halves. Controlling the ball and keeping all the opposition players in their half. Some West Broms on this thread would consider this good football.

The last 30 minutes, van Gaal switched to 4-4-2, brought on Fellaini for extra height and went more direct. The possession dropped to 50%, but they created 8 shots and converted 2 of those. Some people may consider that last 30 minutes ugly, but they were more dangerous and ended up winning the game.

Football is and will always be a results business. Owners and Chief Executives will bang on about entertainment to justify charging £40+ to watch a game of footy. But while the games are decided on goals and not on a score based system like Ice Skating, the result will always be more important.


You always talk a lot of sense, enjoy reading your input.

In TP we trust
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cidhawk on January 25, 2015, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: 17GD on January 25, 2015, 10:15:36 AM
If Man Utd are having trouble getting results, then why are people moaning about what we're seeing, at our level?

Man Utd are a million miles ahead of us, won dozens of trophies in the past 20 years, but look at them now. They are struggling to scrape results, losing at home etc yet they have some of the best players money can buy: Rooney, van Persie, Di Maria De Gea....

I was one of the many who moaned as soon as AI was unveiled, but I believe I had valid reason to: he had no PL experience, had been out of management for a number of years and his previous jobs included teams from lower leagues. We all knew he probably wouldn't last until Christmas so, why experiment? Why not just get the right person first time?

TP is the exact opposite: He has bags of experience, the past number of years keeping Stoke in the PL and doesn't take any stick from anyone. This is the exact thing we need. Players got comfortable under the old system and needed to have their butts kicked around the changing room. A massive clear out happened - something we all begged for all last season.

Yes, it's frustrating when we don't play well and win, but if you want that satisfaction every week (almost) of winning AND playing attractive football then you may as well go and watch someone like Chelsea or Man City. It doesn't even happen at Arsenal and Spurs, who are massive clubs.

TPs first game saw a 7-0 win, do you honestly think we'd have had that under the previous management? We'd have scraped a 1-0, if we were lucky. You could hear TP shouting instructions to get forward and attack right from the off. This guy means business and has the ability to keep us in the league. We need to toughen up and get some points on the board.

Great post....spot on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 25, 2015, 11:31:46 AM
The football dished up may be dull, turgid and boring but it's no different to what half of the other teams in the Prem serve up.

As others have pointed out it's all about staying in the greed league now.  Too many teams scared stiff of conceding the first goal is the reason why the majority of modern day football is mind numbing.

I will judge the new coach when he has his own players in as at the moment it's still a square peg in round hole scenario and has been for the last few years now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2015, 11:34:46 AM
I really can't see Pulis being here for the long term. The next week is crucial for him in terms of player recruitment.  If we don't get who he wants then I can see an immediate falling out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 11:35:12 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 25, 2015, 11:11:41 AM
'Good football' as a term is too vague. Playing good means different things to different people. If West Brom had more possession in the next game there will still be supporters on here saying the football is ugly.

Man United are a great example. For the first 60 minutes against QPR they had 65% possession and created 4 attempts. Lots of backwards and square passing to the 3 center halves. Controlling the ball and keeping all the opposition players in their half. Some West Broms on this thread would consider this good football.

The last 30 minutes, van Gaal switched to 4-4-2, brought on Fellaini for extra height and went more direct. The possession dropped to 50%, but they created 8 shots and converted 2 of those. Some people may consider that last 30 minutes ugly, but they were more dangerous and ended up winning the game.

Football is and will always be a results business. Owners and Chief Executives will bang on about entertainment to justify charging £40+ to watch a game of footy. But while the games are decided on goals and not on a score based system like Ice Skating, the result will always be more important.

Being a Stoke fan I wouldn't expect you to understand when an West Brom fan says 'good football'  ;) your 'too vague' comment is surely an attempt to muddy the waters of what is a very basic desire for most football fans to be excited by what they are watching, whilst football may be a results business to you, please don't assume you're talking on behalf of all football fans, many of who, like myself prefer to call it an entertainments business, this is why the sport is watched the World over because people love to be entertained, the result of most games are irrelevant to neutrals as long as they have enjoyed watching the game, maybe the 8 (or so) years of the Pulis era you had has given you a different perspective of football & thats fine but wouldn't you agree that the style of play Hughes adopted at Stoke last season was much more enjoyable to watch?     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggieboyfred on January 25, 2015, 11:35:25 AM
there is no doubt that TP was the right man for the job, we know exactly what we were getting, we know it will not be particulary pleasing on the eye especially with the current squad he has to work with, but he knows as we know while they will not set the world on fire, under the right stewardship they will keep us up.
I am sure he is looking to get one or two players in who can increase the attacking options , if he can do that then we may start to win pretty, but in the meantime i will settle for winning ugly and staying in the division , and hopefully as we know TP respects the FA Cup maybe going all the way to Wembley
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on January 25, 2015, 11:36:36 AM
I would class myself as a football purist in that I absolutely love seeing good, attractive football. However, this is a results business and whilst we're not playing free-flowing, champagne football, it's nice to be turning up to games and expecting to see us battle and fight instead of rolling over and having our bellies tickled.

Until Pulis came in I was very quickly losing interest in Albion thanks to the previous Head Coach. I was fed up of seeing us play pointless possession football with no end product, whilst making stupid mistakes at the back. What I'm now seeing isn't easy on the eye but what we can do as fans is hold our heads up high at the end of the 90 and say the players gave everything they've got.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on January 25, 2015, 11:50:55 AM
My own view is the appointment of Tony Pulis is an outstanding move by the Albion, he's exactly the type of Manager / Head Coach I wanted to see at the club, after the decision was made by the club to remove AI.

Of course I acknowledge the concerns of some of our supporters, but have to say I don't share them and really hope we have Pulis at the helm on a long term basis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 25, 2015, 11:57:21 AM
Arsenal are probably playing some of the best football in the division and their fans are not happy calling for Wengers head because they haven't won a trophy for years.

The other day, against Man City, they reverted to a type of football akin to the Pulis style and won, I wonder how their fans feel about that and if it is acceptable?

Managers / Coaches are subject to "Heads I win, tails you lose" syndrome.

One Tony Pulis, there's only one Tony Pulis!!!!!!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on January 25, 2015, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 10:59:07 AM
Why do I keep reading 'if you want to win playing good football go watch Chelsea/Man City blah blah blah?' I doubt any West Brom fan believes this is possible in every game we play but so far in Tiny's reign we have beaten a mid table conference side who out footballed us for 40 minutes, scraped a fortunate 1-0 against (arguably) the worst team in the Prem, parked a Boeing 747 against a very defensively poor Everton team & showed no intent to win the game & yesterday put 11 men behind the ball for the whole of the second half against a very very average Championship side who looked like a rabbit in the headlights in the first half & were there for the taking without having to endure a squeaky bum last 20 minutes.

None of the following are mutually exclusive:

Win playing good football
Lose playing good football
Win playing ugly
Lose playing ugly

A balance is needed & Mr Pulis will receive my support for 90 minutes each week, for the remainder of the season in the hope he can get us playing any of the above four in a four match cycle, I hope those telling others to 'go watch other teams' will try to understand that, as fans we have an opinion too.   

I'm sure you told people if you don't like it don't go when your hero was coach. A bit of bitterness that you was wrong, I'm loving WBA again, in Pullis we trust
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jsam on January 25, 2015, 12:39:40 PM
Older viewers will remember a certain Red Adair - a fabled oil and gas well firefighter of the 60s and 70s who was famously summoned up by desperate oil companies facing disaster from a blow out. When all seemed lost they turned to Red and he was exceptionally good at what he did.

The only thing was that others had to rebuild the rigs and get production back on track once Red had done his job.

For Red Adair, read Tony Pulis. Another expert firefighter - good at being parachuted in to avoid disaster by doing whatever it took in an emergency, but having neither the technical know how nor the imagination to rebuild.

So for now, we need Red (sorry Tony) but he is not the long term solution to move the Albion to the next level.

And, like Red, Tony is playing a dangerous game. Stringing two lines of four across the back and soaking up all the pressure others throw at us (Hull, Everton and Brum second half) can not succeed forever.

Hopefully he will put out the fire for now, but he is not the future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 25, 2015, 12:52:33 PM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 11:35:12 AM
Being a Stoke fan I wouldn't expect you to understand when an West Brom fan says 'good football'  ;) your 'too vague' comment is surely an attempt to muddy the waters of what is a very basic desire for most football fans to be excited by what they are watching, whilst football may be a results business to you, please don't assume you're talking on behalf of all football fans, many of who, like myself prefer to call it an entertainments business, this is why the sport is watched the World over because people love to be entertained, the result of most games are irrelevant to neutrals as long as they have enjoyed watching the game, maybe the 8 (or so) years of the Pulis era you had has given you a different perspective of football & thats fine but wouldn't you agree that the style of play Hughes adopted at Stoke last season was much more enjoyable to watch? 

For me personally I loved the Cup Final season more than anything Mark Hughes has produced so far.

Pennant and Etherington bombing down the wings with Jon Walters and a Bony like Kenwyne Jones up front. Hammering Bolton 5-0 in the Semi Final. Hammering and scoring 3 past Newcastle, Wolves and Arsenal in the league. I would have fancied us against anybody during that period. If the Cup Final was a few weeks earlier we would have won it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on January 25, 2015, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 10:59:07 AM
Why do I keep reading 'if you want to win playing good football go watch Chelsea/Man City blah blah blah?' I doubt any West Brom fan believes this is possible in every game we play but so far in Tiny's reign we have beaten a mid table conference side who out footballed us for 40 minutes, scraped a fortunate 1-0 against (arguably) the worst team in the Prem, parked a Boeing 747 against a very defensively poor Everton team & showed no intent to win the game & yesterday put 11 men behind the ball for the whole of the second half against a very very average Championship side who looked like a rabbit in the headlights in the first half & were there for the taking without having to endure a squeaky bum last 20 minutes.

None of the following are mutually exclusive:

Win playing good football
Lose playing good football
Win playing ugly
Lose playing ugly

A balance is needed & Mr Pulis will receive my support for 90 minutes each week, for the remainder of the season in the hope he can get us playing any of the above four in a four match cycle, I hope those telling others to 'go watch other teams' will try to understand that, as fans we have an opinion too.   

You would find trying to win playing good football would likely end very poorly with what is an extremely limited squad though. To play styles of football you need players to fit it. Our problem is really since mid-way in Clarke's reign there has been no style and hence we've struggled and been extremely easy to beat.

Nobody, anywhere wants their midfield to constantly give the ball away cheaply, regardless of style, nobody wants to be forced back and unable to have any of the ball. These are problems that have plagued the team for 2 1/2 years now.

It also makes no sense to reduce games like you've done, we drew to that same Hull team a month ago, we lost to an even worse QPR side, we lost to that same Everton side at home without putting up any fight, we went to penalties against an Oxford side who were 92nd in the the football league when we played them.

Pulis plays a boring style but he's the right man at the right time. The club was desperate after a succession of terrible decisions to bring someone in who though not exciting actually has a grip on the league and know's what they're doing. It's not quite Hodgson but its towards that level. Bringing someone in to stabilise the club was crucial, Pulis will hopefully be here a few seasons without any relegation battle like he was at Stoke which will make the club far healthier. It's all well and good saying we can play good football but really to get a manager like that for a club like ours who's actually got a decent track record would be remarkable difficult.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 25, 2015, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 25, 2015, 12:52:33 PM
For me personally I loved the Cup Final season more than anything Mark Hughes has produced so far.

Pennant and Etherington bombing down the wings with Jon Walters and a Bony like Kenwyne Jones up front. Hammering Bolton 5-0 in the Semi Final. Hammering and scoring 3 past Newcastle, Wolves and Arsenal in the league. I would have fancied us against anybody during that period. If the Cup Final was a few weeks earlier we would have won it!

This is football , I remember the great escape season for the achievement (result) not for the fact I sat through mostly dire football all season. We need to get a grip if we're suggesting its better to lose whilst passing it around vs winning whatever it takes! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Plastic Paddy on January 25, 2015, 01:09:01 PM
I think that the time to judge the style of play is when TP has some of his own players in the team. I don't believe for one second that he wants us to sit back and defend for 90 mins and this is backed up by his post match comments after the Everton game in particular. The problem we have at present is that there is no width at all (apart from Brunty  ;)) and the lack of pace in wide/forward areas is frightening!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 25, 2015, 01:20:12 PM
Does anybody know what TP means when he says the team is unbalanced? Is is side to side, front to back, too many of the same type of players? Are there not enough players with different attributes to let him ring changes?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 25, 2015, 01:30:29 PM
 would have liked martin jol as manager, maybe he would play gamboa and poco more
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2015, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on January 25, 2015, 01:20:12 PM
Does anybody know what TP means when he says the team is unbalanced? Is is side to side, front to back, too many of the same type of players? Are there not enough players with different attributes to let him ring changes?

It‘s pretty obvious that this has been the case for some time. Quality, pace and width is severely lacking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 02:41:50 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on January 25, 2015, 01:20:12 PM
Does anybody know what TP means when he says the team is unbalanced? Is is side to side, front to back, too many of the same type of players? Are there not enough players with different attributes to let him ring changes?

I find it quite laughable that Tony Pulis can call the team unbalanced to be honest.

Yes it isn't the greatest squad in the world and yes there are too many players who are far too similar and yes we are short on wingers.

But if Pulis wants to talk about balance then he needs to drop the notion that Brunt is a central midfielder and that Craig Gardner is a wideman. You can also then throw in Joleon Lescott figuring at left back and its therefore not hard to realise why our side was so unbalanced yesterday. We had too many players figuring in roles that they are quite simply not comfortable with.

I said in the stand yesterday that it felt like Pulis was trying to make a point to somebody with his selection yesterday that new additions are needed immediately.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 25, 2015, 02:47:29 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 02:41:50 PM
I find it quite laughable that Tony Pulis can call the team unbalanced to be honest.

Yes it isn't the greatest squad in the world and yes there are too many players who are far too similar and yes we are short on wingers.

But if Pulis wants to talk about balance then he needs to drop the notion that Brunt is a central midfielder and that Craig Gardner is a wideman. You can also then throw in Joleon Lescott figuring at left back and its therefore not hard to realise why our side was so unbalanced yesterday. We had too many players figuring in roles that they are quite simply not comfortable with.

I said in the stand yesterday that it felt like Pulis was trying to make a point to somebody with his selection yesterday that new additions are needed immediately.

I think with that observation you have actually gone 180 degrees and agree with Pulis assessment.

I also think you are spot on with your last sentence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 03:00:03 PM
I agree with Pulis to the extent our midfield badly requires additions.

I don't agree with Pulis' assessment that Brunt should play in central midfield with Craig Gardner out wide.

Get players into positions they are comfortable with rather than persisting with square pegs in round holes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 25, 2015, 03:04:25 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 03:00:03 PM
I agree with Pulis to the extent our midfield badly requires additions.

I don't agree with Pulis' assessment that Brunt should play in central midfield with Craig Gardner out wide.

Get players into positions they are comfortable with rather than persisting with square pegs in round holes.

I'm hoping that was just a one off line up, personally, I can't see that being the line up against Tottenham
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 03:14:41 PM
I wonder what people mean by playing good football? Does that mean attacking football? Playing passing football? Tiki-taka? Is Chelsea parking the bus at Liverpool good football? Further to that debate lets look at some of the players we have. Arsenal I presume play the kind of “good football” people are arguing about. Would Brunt, Ideye Brown, Baird, Wisdom, Dorrans, Morrison, Samaras, Anichebe, Pocognoli, Gardener, Dawson fit neatly into their team. None of them would be able to play for Arsenal NONE. So why do we expect them to play that type of “good football” for us. Which team in the Premiership should we be able to play as well as? Newcastle, Spurs, Everton, Southampton, Liverpool? Good players play good football whatever the style attacking or defensive. We don’t have good players in Premier League terms that’s why we play unattractive football. Nothing to do with Pulis. Does Pulis organize Brunt to pass the ball constantly to the opposition team or Gardener,Wisdom the same. Or Anichebe to be unfit and have little belief in his ability I could go on. The good players we have who can play “good football” are Berahino, Foster, Lescott . With only  those three or four players Wenger would struggle to play “good football”. People need to wake up and smell the Bovril about this Barcelona esc football Pulis is depriving us of.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on January 25, 2015, 03:17:35 PM
Winning football to me is good football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 25, 2015, 03:20:35 PM
One thing Pulis will do is try to build us a good foundation for a team that does the basics well and is hard to beat.

Hodgson did exactly the same and is one of the reasons we had such a good start under Clarke
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 03:34:28 PM
For me, good football is football that gets me excited and want to watch again.  Football that gets on first on MOTD or chosen as game of the day on Sky Sports or even the Football League show. Not had a lot of that lately.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 03:44:08 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 03:34:28 PM
For me, good football is football that gets me excited and want to watch again.  Football that gets on first on MOTD or chosen as game of the day on Sky Sports or even the Football League show. Not had a lot of that lately.
And how do you think we achieve good football at West Brom?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 25, 2015, 03:44:52 PM
West Brom’s transfer policy is failing so it’s time to trust Tony Pulis

Source:- http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/25/west-broms-transfer-policy-is-failing-so-its-time-to-trust-tony-pulis-5035151/?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: bry on January 25, 2015, 03:44:08 PM
And how do you think we achieve good football at West Brom?
It doesn't start with two banks of four.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 25, 2015, 04:11:23 PM
1. play it on the deck (mostly)
2. accurate passing
3. crisp passing interchanges
4. playing 1-2's
5. progressive passing not  constantly sideways
6. taking opposition players on
7. taking chances not constantly erring on side of caution

And no you do not have to be world class to do this.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 04:17:57 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 04:00:56 PM
It doesn't start with two banks of four.
433? Dorrans Brunt and Gardener in midfield. Can't wait for the good football to ensue!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 25, 2015, 04:11:23 PM
1. play it on the deck (mostly)
2. accurate passing
3. crisp passing interchanges
4. playing 1-2's
5. progressive passing not  constantly sideways
6. taking opposition players on
7. taking chances not constantly erring on side of caution

And no you do not have to be world class to do this.

And which of our current squad have consistantly played this way under 3 different styles of managers?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 25, 2015, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: bry on January 25, 2015, 04:20:13 PM
  And which of our current squad have consistantly played this way under 3 different styles of managers?
None, hence the dis-enchantment of some of us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 25, 2015, 04:22:00 PM
None, hence the dis-enchantment of some of us.
My point is , is that Pulis and his style of play or the quality of the players we have?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 04:24:46 PM
Quote from: kirk on January 25, 2015, 12:09:42 PM
I'm sure you told people if you don't like it don't go when your hero was coach. A bit of bitterness that you was wrong, I'm loving WBA again, in Pullis we trust

HaHa there you go again kirky, failing to understand what people are posting, I'm tempted to explain in detail but not sure it's worth the effort.

Two points though 1) when was I wrong? (as in what did I say that was wrong  ??? )
2) "I'm loving WBA again"....so you fell out of love with WBA because they employed a head coach you didn't like...................oh dear  ::) 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 04:27:45 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 25, 2015, 12:52:33 PM
For me personally I loved the Cup Final season more than anything Mark Hughes has produced so far.

Pennant and Etherington bombing down the wings with Jon Walters and a Bony like Kenwyne Jones up front. Hammering Bolton 5-0 in the Semi Final. Hammering and scoring 3 past Newcastle, Wolves and Arsenal in the league. I would have fancied us against anybody during that period. If the Cup Final was a few weeks earlier we would have won it!

Fair point mate but what about the other seven seasons  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 25, 2015, 04:31:18 PM
Quote from: bry on January 25, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
My point is , is that Pulis and his style of play or the quality of the players we have?

as in most things a bit of both, Brunt, Mozza, Mulla? played under RDM & Mowbray, so could play that way.

TP will not play that way, AI couldn't, I think Roy would have if he had been around another season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 25, 2015, 04:36:02 PM
For me our biggest problem as been our forward thinking players.
Players like Brunt, Morrison , ideye, sess and big Vic, all who are simply not good enough and i am hoping that we bring in a few quality players especially in the centre of midfiield .
Lets hope once we get in a position of safety and have prem position secured for next season we will see some better players and a more attacking style of play.
As for now i will settle for getting the points any how we can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 25, 2015, 04:31:18 PM
as in most things a bit of both, Brunt, Mozza, Mulla? played under RDM & Mowbray, so could play that way.

TP will not play that way, AI couldn't, I think Roy would have if he had been around another season.
I think if the players we have were asked to play that way they wouldn't do it very well e.g. Brunt can't pass to another of our players no matter what the system is
And we would lose its as simple as that. I suppose the long term debate is would Pulis ever buy players capable of playing that way. I think it would cost more than we have to spend even if he wanted to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 25, 2015, 04:49:18 PM
The phrase "imbalance" can mean a lot of things depending on who is using it in the case of Pulis it boils down to not having the right type of players for Pulisball, it is not having a squad capable of playing 3 different formations and interchanging seamlessly between them.

In this instance his main target man is Anichebe and he does not regard him as fit enough. His other two forwards are carbon copies of each other Berahino being in form and Ideye being out of form but not capable of working together in a 4-4-2.

In midfield he lacks a pairing that works as a central two although Yacob has been outstanding as a DM it is not really the sort of box to box player that Pulis prefers. Obviously there are no wingers but they have to be capable of tracking back and he didn't much like the one we had at the club.

He is probably not happy with having two or three attacking full-backs in the squad (I include Davidson in this although I doubt whether Pulis has seen much of him). The squad he inherited had 4 attacking midfielders in it which is not a position in the Pulisball manual having shipped out Blanco one does wonder about what the future holds for those that remain.

That is what Pulis means by imbalanced although given our rather muddled approach to recruitment for the past couple of years where we have not recruited to a clear tactical template whoever we appointed almost regardless of the system they favoured would probably describe the squad as "imbalanced"

He was almost certainly not making a point through his team selection other than to those he omitted that he has not liked what he has seen of their work to date and that maybe they should be putting in a call to their agents next week to see if a move could be fixed up.

I am guessing will make three or four signings in the next week those players will play week in week out for the remainder of the season and there will be a further purge during the summer.   

The fact that it has come to this is testimony to how badly we have messed things up since the days of Hodgson and Ashworth, there is no point in crying over spilt milk we are where we are. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 04:49:26 PM
Quote from: bry on January 25, 2015, 04:17:57 PM
433? Dorrans Brunt and Gardener in midfield. Can't wait for the good football to ensue!
Sorry, was I not specific enough for you? Are there only two formations in the game of football?

Good football does not start with two banks of four camped on our box or do you disagree?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 04:55:49 PM
Quote from: Dan on January 25, 2015, 12:54:21 PM
You would find trying to win playing good football would likely end very poorly with what is an extremely limited squad though. To play styles of football you need players to fit it. Our problem is really since mid-way in Clarke's reign there has been no style and hence we've struggled and been extremely easy to beat.

Nobody, anywhere wants their midfield to constantly give the ball away cheaply, regardless of style, nobody wants to be forced back and unable to have any of the ball. These are problems that have plagued the team for 2 1/2 years now.

It also makes no sense to reduce games like you've done, we drew to that same Hull team a month ago, we lost to an even worse QPR side, we lost to that same Everton side at home without putting up any fight, we went to penalties against an Oxford side who were 92nd in the the football league when we played them.

Pulis plays a boring style but he's the right man at the right time. The club was desperate after a succession of terrible decisions to bring someone in who though not exciting actually has a grip on the league and know's what they're doing. It's not quite Hodgson but its towards that level. Bringing someone in to stabilise the club was crucial, Pulis will hopefully be here a few seasons without any relegation battle like he was at Stoke which will make the club far healthier. It's all well and good saying we can play good football but really to get a manager like that for a club like ours who's actually got a decent track record would be remarkable difficult.

Tony Pulis was not in charge for any of those games though & that was the point I was debating, so it doesn't make any sense bringing them up.

At no point have I suggested that Pulis isn't the right man for the job AT THIS TIME, I have said that I will support him on match days & unlike some fans who told us they would give AI time only to slaughter him after any poor result (on here & during some games) I will be good to my word, that doesn't mean I wont come on to the forum & criticise him if I feel its warranted.

My personal hopes are that TP is given the players he wants to build us into a resilient team with the ability to play a decent brand of football when possible, he gets the rest of the season for me, if the football develops into a watchable style great, if not..........................well lets just see.       
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: bry on January 25, 2015, 04:40:03 PM
I think if the players we have were asked to play that way they wouldn't do it very well e.g. Brunt can't pass to another of our players no matter what the system is
And we would lose its as simple as that. I suppose the long term debate is would Pulis ever buy players capable of playing that way. I think it would cost more than we have to spend even if he wanted to.
Who played the pass to Berahino to set up the first yesterday?  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2015, 05:06:51 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 05:05:44 PM
Who played the pass to Berahino to set up the first yesterday?  :-X

How far do we go back to claim an assist ? Berahino did the work to create the goal and Vic did the work to finish it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 05:11:48 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2015, 05:06:51 PM
How far do we go back to claim an assist ? Berahino did the work to create the goal and Vic did the work to finish it.
Who is claiming an assist,  just pointing out an inch perfect pass to feet from a bloke who "can't pass a ball to any of our players" and is getting picked now by his seventh (?) Consecutive full time coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: valleybaggie on January 25, 2015, 05:18:38 PM
TP has stated a couple of times that the team is unbalanced and that we desperately need to make signings. I'm sure that when we eventually sign players that the formation and the personnel we are currently using will change. Does anyone think saido or sess will be playing wing back then? As for playing good football i'd rather see us go out knowing we've got a chance to win whatever method we use. i remember when megson first came some of the football we played wasn't pretty but it was effective. Everytime we walked on the pitch i for one thought we had a chance to win the game. we supposedly played good football under mowbary, it looked good on the eye but where did it get us relegated. tippy tappy with no end product i know which of the above i'd pick
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 25, 2015, 05:37:13 PM
If we play on the eye football attacking football but look weak at the back is that good football or just entertainment. I want to see Albion entertain me but would rather win and I dont care how we do it as long as we win.  Good football I think is assessing each game differently and playing accordingly to it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on January 25, 2015, 05:40:51 PM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 04:24:46 PM
HaHa there you go again kirky, failing to understand what people are posting, I'm tempted to explain in detail but not sure it's worth the effort.

Two points though 1) when was I wrong? (as in what did I say that was wrong  ??? )
2) "I'm loving WBA again"....so you fell out of love with WBA because they employed a head coach you didn't like...................oh dear  ::)

Lol don't you should be a politician the half truths and the constant spin, I did give a list of the reasons, you should take a read again you just might learn something. But my god your backing of Tony is on par with Gaius and Caesar, every game it's a constant winge, last time I checked we haven't lost. Yes it's good to be a baggies again but please take your own advise ' if you don't like it don't go' simples  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 25, 2015, 05:49:12 PM
Quote from: WBASPE77 on January 25, 2015, 05:37:13 PM
If we play on the eye football attacking football but look weak at the back is that good football or just entertainment. I want to see Albion entertain me but would rather win and I dont care how we do it as long as we win.  Good football I think is assessing each game differently and playing accordingly to it.

I said the same on a thread on here the day TP was appointed. I said it would be a 'horses for courses' scenario. If TP thinks he can win a game of football playing with flair then I think he will. If as appears to be the case he has realised we haven't got the quality in the squad to win games that way, then nobody can knock him for getting results any which way he can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 05:57:57 PM
Quote from: kirk on January 25, 2015, 05:40:51 PM
Lol don't you should be a politician the half truths and the constant spin, I did give a list of the reasons, you should take a read again you just might learn something. But my god your backing of Tony is on par with Gaius and Caesar, every game it's a constant winge, last time I checked we haven't lost. Yes it's good to be a baggies again but please take your own advise ' if you don't like it don't go' simples  ;D

"the half truths and the constant spin" eh? sorry LOST me completely there  ???

And again
when was I wrong? (as in what did I say that was wrong  ??? )
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 06:31:43 PM
I don't like the way the conversation is heading.

Cut the nonsense and lets debate like adults please folks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 25, 2015, 06:32:25 PM
Can see no reason whatsoever why Lescott played left back when Baird had been doing well and Poco was fit. Why take Vic off when he was giving a master class in hold up play and replace him with someone who is no good with his back to goal. Strange decisions but we got away with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 06:42:29 PM
Quote from: kirk on January 25, 2015, 05:40:51 PM
Lol don't you should be a politician the half truths and the constant spin, I did give a list of the reasons, you should take a read again you just might learn something. But my god your backing of Tony is on par with Gaius and Caesar, every game it's a constant winge whinge, last time I checked we haven't lost. Yes it's good to be a baggies again but please take your own advise ' if you don't like it don't go' simples  ;D

Can you please provide evidence of constant whinging for every game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 25, 2015, 06:50:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 25, 2015, 05:49:12 PM
I said the same on a thread on here the day TP was appointed. I said it would be a 'horses for courses' scenario. If TP thinks he can win a game of football playing with flair then I think he will. If as appears to be the case he has realised we haven't got the quality in the squad to win games that way, then nobody can knock him for getting results any which way he can.
he doesn't want to play that way though, as his time at stoke showed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 06:51:35 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 04:49:26 PM
Sorry, was I not specific enough for you? Are there only two formations in the game of football?

Good football does not start with two banks of four camped on our box or do you disagree?
Sorry but I feel with the current quality of players at Pulis disposal any other way of playing other than the way we have would have resulted in us losing against Everton. What system with our players would you have employed against Everton and the Blues to get a result? We can't play good attacking passing football if we played 4 2 4 or 4 5 1. When Pulis has got us safe then we can talk about sparkling football. I think anything else is just naive. What would be devastating would be to play defensive football and still go down another possibility, especially with all the negativity towards Pulis. How would Mourinho set Chelsea up to play if he had our players?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 08:03:51 PM
Quote from: bry on January 25, 2015, 03:14:41 PM
I wonder what people mean by playing good football? Does that mean attacking football? Playing passing football? Tiki-taka? Is Chelsea parking the bus at Liverpool good football? Further to that debate lets look at some of the players we have. Arsenal I presume play the kind of “good football” people are arguing about. Would Brunt, Ideye Brown, Baird, Wisdom, Dorrans, Morrison, Samaras, Anichebe, Pocognoli, Gardener, Dawson fit neatly into their team. None of them would be able to play for Arsenal NONE. So why do we expect them to play that type of “good football” for us. Which team in the Premiership should we be able to play as well as? Newcastle, Spurs, Everton, Southampton, Liverpool? Good players play good football whatever the style attacking or defensive. We don’t have good players in Premier League terms that’s why we play unattractive football. Nothing to do with Pulis. Does Pulis organize Brunt to pass the ball constantly to the opposition team or Gardener,Wisdom the same. Or Anichebe to be unfit and have little belief in his ability I could go on. The good players we have who can play “good football” are Berahino, Foster, Lescott . With only  those three or four players Wenger would struggle to play “good football”. People need to wake up and smell the Bovril about this Barcelona esc football Pulis is depriving us of.

There is no measurement for good football. It is very subjective. What some might class as good football some might consider boring. I guess what all supporters want to see is general entertainment, whether we're pressing the opposition, making full bloodied tackles, running at full backs or getting crosses into the box. Those are facets which have been lacking from our play for a very long time.

I don't think fans want tikka-takka they just want to see a healthy combination between attacking and defending. Pulis has a CV which suggests his teams are very hard to beat, are often boring and show little chance of evolving. I don't buy the argument that we as a club or incapable of playing "entertaining" or expansive football. Swansea are a good measurement that having plans in place and recruiting well has its benefits. They have a good group of players, they play to a system and are entertaining to watch, they score goals and they defend well and they're not a club which are being bankrolled by wealthy owners.

What our problem has been is that we have had no semblance of style or direction ever since Hodgson left. We've been a totally mis-match and our recruitment has reflected that often signing players who are polar opposites. With Pulis, we know what we're going to get but despite the deficiencies in this squad they are far more capable of getting points rather than resorting to some out-dated, ancient methods of throwing 11 men behind the ball and offering nothing in any attacking sense as we saw recently at Goodison.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 08:03:51 PM
There is no measurement for good football. It is very subjective. What some might class as good football some might consider boring. I guess what all supporters want to see is general entertainment, whether we're pressing the opposition, making full bloodied tackles, running at full backs or getting crosses into the box. Those are facets which have been lacking from our play for a very long time.

I don't think fans want tikka-takka they just want to see a healthy combination between attacking and defending. Pulis has a CV which suggests his teams are very hard to beat, are often boring and show little chance of evolving. I don't buy the argument that we as a club or incapable of playing "entertaining" or expansive football. Swansea are a good measurement that having plans in place and recruiting well has its benefits. They have a good group of players, they play to a system and are entertaining to watch, they score goals and they defend well and they're not a club which are being bankrolled by wealthy owners.

What our problem has been is that we have had no semblance of style or direction ever since Hodgson left. We've been a totally mis-match and our recruitment has reflected that often signing players who are polar opposites. With Pulis, we know what we're going to get but despite the deficiencies in this squad they are far more capable of getting points rather than resorting to some out-dated, ancient methods of throwing 11 men behind the ball and offering nothing in any attacking sense as we saw recently at Goodison.
Like I said in a previous post "How would Mourinho set up our players to play for Chelsea"? On the converse if Pulis had Chelsea's players do you think he would play boring defensive football just for the sake of it? I think Pulis will play the quality of football he is  allowed to by budget peace gives him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 25, 2015, 08:22:39 PM
people said that that stoke couldn't play  good football with the players that tony had, but then mark hughes came in and made them better to watch and started winning games. with a lot lower budget than pulis had
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: bry on January 25, 2015, 08:17:26 PM
Like I said in a previous post "How would Mourinho set up our players to play for Chelsea"? On the converse if Pulis had Chelsea's players do you think he would play boring defensive football just for the sake of it? I think Pulis will play the quality of football he is  allowed to by budget peace gives him.

I guess if Pulis was at Chelsea you would point to Hodgson's reign at Liverpool.

I don't see what relevance of our players playing for Chelsea and Mourinho has anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 09:04:53 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 08:37:00 PM
I guess if Pulis was at Chelsea you would point to Hodgson's reign at Liverpool.

I don't see what relevance of our players playing for Chelsea and Mourinho has anyway.
Because I believe that Pulis plays the way he does at the moment because we have such poor players not just because he likes only to play that way. If he had better players we would play more exciting football Here's a diagram.

                           Good players   =   Good football   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:18:55 PM
Quote from: bry on January 25, 2015, 09:04:53 PM
Because I believe that Pulis plays the way he does at the moment because we have such poor players not just because he likes only to play that way. If he had better players we would play more exciting football Here's a diagram.

                           Good players   =   Good football

He had plenty of money at Stoke to adopt a more progressive style of football and he chose to ignore that so I don't hold much hope that our football will be any better next year. I remember him spending big money on the likes of Tuncay, Palacios, Maurice Edu and then abandoning them completely from the first team. If he does that here then we're going to be using and wasting valuable resources which are not on tap like he had from the Coates family.

I'm not naive, in the short term we're in need of a fire-fighter like Tony Pulis but I'm not sure our long term future is right in his hands. Providing we survive, I think we're going to have a lot of disgruntled fans next year complaining that they're bored stiff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: wba606 on January 25, 2015, 08:22:39 PM
people said that that stoke couldn't play  good football with the players that tony had, but then mark hughes came in and made them better to watch and started winning games. with a lot lower budget than pulis had
Stoke did not start playing like this after 3 games it took months ask any Stoke fans .Hughes gradually brought in quality players and changed the style or ballanced it cause they still hoof it now and again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on January 25, 2015, 09:26:39 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:18:55 PM
He had plenty of money at Stoke to adopt a more progressive style of football and he chose to ignore that so I don't hold much hope that our football will be any better next year. I remember him spending big money on the likes of Tuncay, Palacios, Maurice Edu and then abandoning them completely from the first team. If he does that here then we're going to be using and wasting valuable resources which are not on tap like he had from the Coates family.

I'm not naive, in the short term we're in need of a fire-fighter like Tony Pulis but I'm not sure our long term future is right in his hands. Providing we survive, I think we're going to have a lot of disgruntled fans next year complaining that they're bored stiff.

I understand your point here but lets remember the Stoke squad he left was considerably better than the one he inherited, so I do think our squad will be improved over time. Also there were a few signings at Stoke that were 50-50, had they worked we would be sitting here saying he's a market genius. A textbook example is Jonathan Woodgate, a class player but injury riddled at Stoke. Similarly Michael Owen didn't work out, nothing to say it wouldn't have worked out like Lescott has here.

I would also state that the majority of his Palace signings are major parts of their current squad and make up the better part of the squad, players like Puncheon are of a decent footballing ability, so I think it is a little harsh to criticise him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smudger 2007 on January 25, 2015, 09:27:18 PM
Not sure whether style of play will get any better next season. But I feel he's just what we need now to stabilize us at the mo. I also think he talks sense every interview instead of In riddles like Irvine an Clarke used to. He's very honest and to the point which I refreshing in this day and age. The comments about anichebe were bang on he's still not fit and when or if he could be he could be double the handful he is now.never going to be prolific I know but could be a lot more useful and a foil for behrahino
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:18:55 PM
He had plenty of money at Stoke to adopt a more progressive style of football and he chose to ignore that so I don't hold much hope that our football will be any better next year. I remember him spending big money on the likes of Tuncay, Palacios, Maurice Edu and then abandoning them completely from the first team. If he does that here then we're going to be using and wasting valuable resources which are not on tap like he had from the Coates family.

I'm not naive, in the short term we're in need of a fire-fighter like Tony Pulis but I'm not sure our long term future is right in his hands. Providing we survive, I think we're going to have a lot of disgruntled fans next year complaining that they're bored stiff.
Crystal Palace played nothing like Stoke so i am hopeful when he gets the new players in the style will change
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:33:51 PM
Quote from: Baggie Boy on January 25, 2015, 09:26:39 PM
I understand your point here but lets remember the Stoke squad he left was considerably better than the one he inherited, so I do think our squad will be improved over time. Also there were a few signings at Stoke that were 50-50, had they worked we would be sitting here saying he's a market genius. A textbook example is Jonathan Woodgate, a class player but injury riddled at Stoke. Similarly Michael Owen didn't work out, nothing to say it wouldn't have worked out like Lescott has here.

I would also state that the majority of his Palace signings are major parts of their current squad and make up the better part of the squad, players like Puncheon are of a decent footballing ability, so I think it is a little harsh to criticise him.

You could argue that his better signings were the least expensive ones. Generally he wasted an awful lot of money. He won't get such an open cheque book here.

I have no doubt that he will probably leave us in a better position than when he took us over - although our fanbase might be slightly disinterested by then - just like what happened at Stoke - but I hope at that point we're not a squad of average British plodders leaving a real conundrum for his future successor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:38:46 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:31:35 PM
Crystal Palace played nothing like Stoke so i am hopeful when he gets the new players in the style will change

Check out this post for an insight into Pulis at Crystal Palace which articulates my thoughts superbly

Quote from: Astle1968 on January 23, 2015, 07:24:57 PM
Seen quite a few comments floating around about how we should keep the faith with Pulis in regards to his playing style, and that Palace were anything from good to watch to one of the most attacking sides in the league last season.

I actually think on the pitch Pulis will do fine for us in terms of results (I have concerns about his impact off the pitch) but I think people are trying to kid themselves if they think Palace were some sort of attacking side last season, let alone a decent one. They had games where they played well, and games where they stunk the joint out much like most sides between 8th and 20th. But to say they were attacking is delusional in my opinion.

Im fully aware stats can be misleading, that they dont tell the whole story and I'd rather watch a game with my own eyes than rely on statistics. Also take in to account Pulis took over 11 games in. However some select stats below from last season

Goals scored 19th for the season
Goals scored from when Pulis took over 27 in 27 (would of been 18th averaged over the season, less than Villa and 5 less than us. They also scored 5 in the last 2, until then they were comfortably lowest scorers)
Goals from open play 19h
Short passes 20th
Shots per game 20th
Short pass accuracy 20th
Pass accuracy 20th
Possession 20th (the difference between Palace and West Ham in 19th was greater than the difference between 19th and 11th)

So maybe he's a manager who gets the ball wide, gets his wingers dribbling and gets crosses in to the box. Nothing wrong with that style, can be good to watch

Crosses per game 19th
Dribbles per game 13th (Albion, who we all realise have practically nobody who can dribble were 12th)
Attack left side of pitch 13th
Attack right side of pitch 10th
Attack centre of pitch 13th

So they didn't shift it wide and get the wingers running at full backs. Maybe they're a counter attacking side? They scored 2 goals on the counter all season.

Im not having a go at Pulis as such. Personally I found Mondays game almost unwatchable at times, god knows what a neutral would of thought but thats not our concern. However I appreciate theres many others on here who dont seem to care how we play as long as we stay up and thats fair enough. But can we cut the 'Palace were a good/great attacking side last season' especially after the abuse 90% of us were giving Stoke (rightly so) when Pulis was there.

As someone else said on the Ameobi thread, were going to see plenty more signings like him whilst Pulis is here. Its no surprise so far we've signed/signing Ameobi and sold Blanco and Varela even though the one thing we are crying out for is creativity and pace.

I have no problem with being hard to beat and our side defending very well but I do hope and pray that our performance against Everton was purely a one-off and not something that will become a regular occurrence throughout his tenure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 25, 2015, 09:42:56 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on January 25, 2015, 07:36:40 PM
agree 100%

Agree, 95%

Why has Pulis got the liberty of playing the best football this squad can produce and others haven't?

Same negative defensive substitutions as AI, same squad (for now) and apart from playing badly and scraping draws instead of defeats and a 1-0 win, the football and playing staff performance is only slightly better down to Pulis' coaching. We all slated AI for results but why is it now suddenly 'Tony is working with a rubbish squad'?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 25, 2015, 09:44:28 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:31:35 PM
Crystal Palace played nothing like Stoke so i am hopeful when he gets the new players in the style will change
so the argument here is 6 months at a team where he had very little input into what players were there and was leaking goals like crazy that he taught how to defend at the cost of scoring even less goals that they already were (to the point of being the worst at it last year), compared to the team he personally and freely created over a 7 year period and is responsible for Stoke still bearing the label of a rugby team because of his tactics and preferred style during that time...

Now tell me, what makes you think that he will change the style he so meticulously built over years at Stoke when we are already nine tenths of the way there already? We already have a good defensive core (always have done) so it's offensively that we need to strengthen.. something Crystal Palace already had in place and nearly went completely down the pan due to Pulis' preferred defensive tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 25, 2015, 10:16:28 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:33:51 PM
You could argue that his better signings were the least expensive ones. Generally he wasted an awful lot of money. He won't get such an open cheque book here.

I have no doubt that he will probably leave us in a better position than when he took us over - although our fanbase might be slightly disinterested by then - just like what happened at Stoke - but I hope at that point we're not a squad of average British plodders leaving a real conundrum for his future successor.
That's exactly what's going to happen
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on January 25, 2015, 11:48:24 PM
"I would say he is just on to players a bit more. Nobody really gets away with anything now.

"If you're somebody who is willing to work hard, be professional and do it the right way then you'll fit in, and if not you haven't got much of a chance with him."
- Ben Foster on Tony Pulis

Interesting comments. Good read.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/foster-fired-up-by-brutal-regime-30936392.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on January 25, 2015, 11:49:09 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:33:51 PM
You could argue that his better signings were the least expensive ones. Generally he wasted an awful lot of money. He won't get such an open cheque book here.

I have no doubt that he will probably leave us in a better position than when he took us over - although our fanbase might be slightly disinterested by then - just like what happened at Stoke - but I hope at that point we're not a squad of average British plodders leaving a real conundrum for his future successor.

I agree with you in that his better signings were his cheaper ones, that being said it doesn't mean his more expensive ones won't work, I believe a 5 mil deal for McManaman is a decent deal. Despite the post which articulates your opinions on playing style at Palace, most Palace fans did not become disinterested, although the time period was shorter I admit.

We should remember that we didn't exactly play fantastic stuff under Megson or Hodgson yet both are fondly remembered. Indeed Hodgson mainly signed 'British plodders'.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 26, 2015, 08:26:58 AM
Quote from: addy on January 25, 2015, 11:48:24 PM
"I would say he is just on to players a bit more. Nobody really gets away with anything now.[/i]

"If you're somebody who is willing to work hard, be professional and do it the right way then you'll fit in, and if not you haven't got much of a chance with him."
- Ben Foster on Tony Pulis

Interesting comments. Good read.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/foster-fired-up-by-brutal-regime-30936392.html

The bit in bold for me, is the reason hes a much better manager to have in charge than AI.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 26, 2015, 10:04:11 AM
So Foster says TP is brutal and nobody gets away with anything now, is he trying to say it was cushy before he came in :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 26, 2015, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 26, 2015, 10:04:11 AM
So Foster says TP is brutal and nobody gets away with anything now, is he trying to say it was cushy before he came in :)
Does sound a bit like that.
Would also explain exclusions and exits. If they don't knuckle down and shape up they will be shipped out.
Was exactly what we needed IMO, but there is a risk that we may struggle to bring in more flair players as they may not be quite so keen on a 'Brutal' training regime. Some of the best players have been notoriously bad trainers. That being said, I would take a Kevin Phillips over a Berbatov all day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 26, 2015, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on January 26, 2015, 10:11:09 AM
Does sound a bit like that.
Would also explain exclusions and exits. If they don't knuckle down and shape up they will be shipped out.
Was exactly what we needed IMO, but there is a risk that we may struggle to bring in more flair players as they may not be quite so keen on a 'Brutal' training regime. Some of the best players have been notoriously bad trainers. That being said, I would take a Kevin Phillips over a Berbatov all day.

we can't afford luxury players. we don't need them either. loved this article. the squad actually being made to do a bit of work for their money. about forking time.

4 games unbeaten...loving that too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 11:55:41 AM
Why does anyone remotely attacking have to be considered a luxury? I'd say match winner is a more appropriate term nd if you want to win games rather than not lose them it might be a good idea to have 1 or 2 knocking about instead of getting rid at them at the earliest opportunity. I'm also fed up of reading 'what so people want us to play like Barcelona on our budget do they?' as if you need £200m and the best academy in Europe to play attacking football. Plenty of teams all over Europe in our position (actually all outside the PL have a fraction of the revenue we have have) play decent football. Good football is a vague term and can be interpreted many ways by different people but you would struggle to find many who would enjoy watching us over the last month.

Some random thoughts

Pulis might keep us up, he might not but of all the available candidates he was the most likely bet to help us survive. I've not seen anyone critise Peace for the appointment and I dont think anyone can, he was the best man for the job the board wanted him to do.

Honestly that's the only positive I can think of, although admittedly a big one and for some people the only one.

However...

The style of football will almost certainly be unwatchable for a lot of people. Who knows what will happen but looking at his time at Stoke people who think he's going to change his ways now are basing it on nothing but hope. The facts suggest we can expect plenty of Dean Whitehead and Grant Leadbitter types arriving over the next few years whilst he is here.

There is very little change of us singing any exciting foreign types as he doesn't trust them. I suspect we will instead see the arrivals of solid Brits in there mid to late 20's and big name players on the way down/finished (Upson, Woodgate, Owen etc)

If your a foreign player with us now you may as well ask you agent to find you a new club. I genuinely don't believe his treatment of Pocognoli is based on anything other than his nationality. Gamboa is never getting to get a look in. Blanco and Varela were 2 of 3 playrs who offered anything different and both were gone effectively the second he came in. I'd genuinely be surprised if Sessegnon was with us next season.

We dont need to play 10-0-1 for the next 3 months to stay up. It's a way, but lets not pretend it's the only way. Teams have stayed up playing some sort of watchable football before.

For those who say he's tied at the moment by what he has, look at the team he left at Stoke after 7 years and lvish spending. He doesnt want anything else. When he arrived he could of easily fielded a side of 
Foster
Gamboa
Dawson
Olsson
Pocognoli
Mulumbu
Yacob
Varela
Blanco/Morrison
Sessegnon
Berahino

He had options, he didnt want them. Were not playing the way we are because we have no choice, it'd because Pulis wants us to

Any promising youth players chances of making the first team squad have likely reduced since Pulis came in. He's a results man (which I cant really blame him for) and wont be looking to promote someone like Nabi when he could just play someone else out of position.

We will almost certainly line up with 4 centre backs as our back line at some point soon. Wouldn't be at all surprised if Olsson or Lescott was our left back for the remainder of the season if he doesn't stick with Baird.

He will demand money every window no matter how much he's already spent (wasted?). Our recruitment policy needing changing but it's still the right policy in my opinion, just the wrong people doing it. Handing him control is a really poor and outdated move (I'm sure it will still be Peaces fault when it doesn't work though)

Palace did not play attacking football. I don't think it was as bad as Stoke from what I saw but it wasn't attacking. The difference is Palace expectations were different to ours so they perceived it differently. When Stoke came up they nearly all loved Pulis. When he left most thanked him for the job but agreed it was time to go. Pulis style and Stokes results barely changed in all that time, but the Stoke fans exceptions did and so did their perceptions on his style. We are much nearer Stoke when he left than Palace when he joined.

It's not his toughest job in football. I really don't think keeping us up is that bigger challenge. We've done it before with much worse sides, in much worse positions with much worse managers. There some utter dross down there and managed correctly I wouldn't put us in the dross category. We have been awful for 2 years, badly managed on and off the pitch and still stayed out of the relegation zone. I actually liked Irvine in a way but he wasn't anywhere near good enough, yet he still kept us out of the bottom 3. I'm sure people will say we were only heading 1 way but so are all the other teams down there and we cant all go down.

In short,

Will he keep us up? Yes
Will it be enjoyable? No

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 26, 2015, 12:09:41 PM
Pretty much spot on with my thoughts.

Don't understand why we can't be solid without the ball but actually have some creativity and poise when we have it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on January 26, 2015, 12:18:06 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 08:03:51 PM
What our problem has been is that we have had no semblance of style or direction ever since Hodgson left. We've been a totally mis-match and our recruitment has reflected that often signing players who are polar opposites. With Pulis, we know what we're going to get but despite the deficiencies in this squad they are far more capable of getting points rather than resorting to some out-dated, ancient methods of throwing 11 men behind the ball and offering nothing in any attacking sense as we saw recently at Goodison.

Completely agree with this.  No one has managed recruitment with a team (on the pitch) in mind.  That's how we end up with a team with no pace, only 1 good free-kick taker in the squad and insufficient tall players to defend corners/set pieces.

I don't want to end up with a 'British' only squad and mentality, but I'm happy with the spine of the team having that understanding of the PL.

Would like to see more expansive football, but at the moment its got to be results first approach.  If we survive, then I want to see us move on from such a rigid approach.

How many times did Pulis's teams come to the Hawthorns win and keep a clean sheet.  Almost always (in my recollection at least) in his Stoke and Palace days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 26, 2015, 12:27:12 PM
Whilst I agree with some of the above points, I dont agree with the british comment, and not playing Poco because hes not british/Sess being moved on because hes not british.

I had a look at the regular Palace team picked by him last season:

01 Speroni
03 Mariappa
02 Ward
08 Dikgacoi 
06 Dann
27 Delaney
13 Puncheon
15 Jedinak 29 Chamakh
28 Ledley
07 Bolasie

Ive higlighted the non british players in the line up, thats half the team, that to me suggests he does play foreign players, but only if he deems them good enough.

You cant accuse him of shipping Varela and Blanco out because of nationality, none of us on here know if Blanco is any good, im guessing 90% of us fans didnt even know who he was when he was signed, but the element of him being unknown, and reading a bit about him being creative, got everyones hopes up, but he might genuinly not be good enough.

Samaras is another player, hes only got a couple years left in him, we have read before Celtic fans saying hes a big game player, and at times doesnt look interested, if he didnt look interested in training, then TP wont be interested in him. (See Fosters recent comments about commitment).

I just find it very confusing how, alot of fans on here wanted a change in policies, wanted a 'manager', wanted someone like TP to come in and take no rubbish, but now we have that, some people are questioning the football and the players we are being linked with.

Football regardless of what anyone says, is a results business, and since Pulis has been in charge, we are unbeaten.

Thats good enough for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skalbaggie on January 26, 2015, 12:36:00 PM
Agree with the nationality thing. If I remember correctly then Pulis was a bit criticized for not playing Barry Bannan, Dwight Gayle and Jonny Williams. Those are all british players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 26, 2015, 12:47:22 PM
For me it's not nationality with Pulis , it's more physical strength ...i well remember Fuller taking us apart!.
Loved TP's comments about Anichebe's fitness .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 12:49:29 PM
Just to pick up on some of Astle1968's points without quoting the whole lot of it again.

Firstly, he mentions that there is a lot of dross down there and not all of them can go down. Fair enough you might think but Burnley,Leicester,QPR,Hull and Crystal Palace are hardly established Premier League clubs are they. You would EXPECT them to struggle. I would have thought after a comparatively long time now in this division, we could expect ourselves to be bedded in and comfortable with the league or at least show signs of steady progression and improvement. This hasn't been the case. We have drifted,even gone backwards and I firmly believe we were heading for the drop. Mowbray tried to play attacking football in the Championship but we soon found that didn't work with the players we had in the Premier League. Teams were happy for us to keep possession amongst the back four and in the middle of the park, knowing we couldn't penetrate well organised defences.

Secondly, I would argue that winning football matches is very enjoyable. I for one would sooner be watching a side picking up points and progressing in the cup than one where I knew we were likely to get beat before the ref blew for kick off.

Nothing else has worked has it in terms of recruiting attack minded 'creative' players over the years? Like I said in the first paragraph, if we had been steadily improving and progressing year on year, I could understand people's scepticism with TP's style but we haven't. We've been going backwards for the last 2 years with players that just have 'Championship level' written all over them.

If all Pulis actually does is to get a winning mentality at the club and improved attitudes and commitment from players then it will be good enough for me. So what if he prefers to buy British players? Good for him I say. It's a shame every single manage in the country doesn't feel the same way. England might actually have a chance of winning a tournament at some point in the future if English clubs stopped this nonsense of bringing second rate/average foreign players in. On top of that we would see increased levels of passion and effort which is what fans of any club want to see from their players. It costs a bloody lot of money now to watch some johnny foreigner strolling around the field without actually giving a monkey's for the club he is supposedly representing. Our scouting structure has Director of scouting for Europe, head of scouting in Outer Mongolia, assistant chief scout for the Moon and Mars, etc. What's wrong with a bloke going out to the local dog pooh ridden park on a Sunday with a flask of tea and a notepad? Where do you think Man Utd found Beckham,Giggs, Scholes, Butt, the Neville brothers, etc? It wasn't from a jumped up Head of Scouting watching video's from Timbuktoo was it? I bet if we actually bothered, we could find a squad of 30 young players from the West Midlands who given the right coaching and nurturing would eventually be good enough to play at this level.

Pulis with his methods and attitude to the game is absolutely spot on in my opinion. OK, so he doesn't sit comfortably in this trendy modern world of foreign coaches,owners,etc, but why on earth in God's name would we want that? Back to basics is the way forward in every sense. When Sky pull the plug which they almost certainly will do with all this live streaming now available, you watch who the better off clubs will be then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: skalbaggie on January 26, 2015, 12:36:00 PM
Agree with the nationality thing. If I remember correctly then Pulis was a bit criticized for not playing Barry Bannan, Dwight Gayle and Jonny Williams. Those are all british players.

Have a look at the squad he left at Stoke as better idea of what his teams are like when he makes his mark on them. 5 non Brits (counting Ireland as British for the sake of this argument) who made more than 10 appearances in the season and 3 of those came through 'British' systems in Begovic, Huth and Jones who had never played outside of England, you could just as easily call them British in a football sense.

Of the other 2 one had been playing in the PL for 3 years (N'Zonzi) and the other (Cameron came the States and and English speaking country)

Of all the players in that squad who played over 5 games only Cameron wasn't signed from a British side (and he came from an English speaking country). That's a remarkable stat in todays game

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 26, 2015, 12:58:53 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 12:50:08 PM
Have a look at the squad he left at Stoke as better idea of what his teams are like when he makes his mark on them. 5 non Brits (counting Ireland as British for the sake of this argument) who made more than 10 appearances in the season and 3 of those came through 'British' systems in Begovic, Huth and Jones who had never played outside of England, you could just as easily call them British in a football sense.

Of the other 2 one had been playing in the PL for 3 years (N'Zonzi) and the other (Cameron came the States and and English speaking country)

Of all the players in that squad who played over 5 games only Cameron wasn't signed from a British side (and he came from an English speaking country). That's a remarkable stat in todays game

And yet that team came to the Hawthorns every year and picked up 3 points off us.

I couldnt give a monkeys were the players are from as long as they go on that point and do everything they can to try and do the best they can for WBA.

If they are from Swindon or South Africa I couldnt care less, all I want is the best for WBA.

Its a results business and regardless of what people think about Pulis tactis, he knows how to get results.

Ill take 1-0 wins with no flair and a solid performance, over losing 2-0 but we played some good stuff, every day of the week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 26, 2015, 01:03:57 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 12:50:08 PM
Have a look at the squad he left at Stoke as better idea of what his teams are like when he makes his mark on them. 5 non Brits (counting Ireland as British for the sake of this argument) who made more than 10 appearances in the season and 3 of those came through 'British' systems in Begovic, Huth and Jones who had never played outside of England, you could just as easily call them British in a football sense.

Of the other 2 one had been playing in the PL for 3 years (N'Zonzi) and the other (Cameron came the States and and English speaking country)

Of all the players in that squad who played over 5 games only Cameron wasn't signed from a British side (and he came from an English speaking country). That's a remarkable stat in todays game

Weren't we very similar under Hodgson? Look at the mainstay of his side. Predominately British and even most of the foreign ones had been playing in England for some time prior.

Foster
Jones
Shorey
Ridgewell
McAuley
Thomas
Dorrans
Brunt
Morrison
Andrews
Long
Cox

Gera
Scharner
Olsson
Mulumbu
Odemwingie
Fortune

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 26, 2015, 01:07:03 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on January 26, 2015, 12:58:53 PM
Ill take 1-0 wins with no flair and a solid performance, over losing 2-0 but we played some good stuff, every day of the week.
Other results, and ways of achieving them, are possible.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 26, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Andrews Long Cox

Oh how we laughed back then !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 01:14:42 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 12:49:29 PM
Just to pick up on some of Astle1968's points without quoting the whole lot of it again.

Firstly, he mentions that there is a lot of dross down there and not all of them can go down. Fair enough you might think but Burnley,Leicester,QPR,Hull and Crystal Palace are hardly established Premier League clubs are they. You would EXPECT them to struggle. I would have thought after a comparatively long time now in this division, we could expect ourselves to be bedded in and comfortable with the league or at least show signs of steady progression and improvement. This hasn't been the case. We have drifted,even gone backwards and I firmly believe we were heading for the drop. Mowbray tried to play attacking football in the Championship but we soon found that didn't work with the players we had in the Premier League. Teams were happy for us to keep possession amongst the back four and in the middle of the park, knowing we couldn't penetrate well organised defences.

Secondly, I would argue that winning football matches is very enjoyable. I for one would sooner be watching a side picking up points and progressing in the cup than one where I knew we were likely to get beat before the ref blew for kick off.

Nothing else has worked has it in terms of recruiting attack minded 'creative' players over the years? Like I said in the first paragraph, if we had been steadily improving and progressing year on year, I could understand people's scepticism with TP's style but we haven't. We've been going backwards for the last 2 years with players that just have 'Championship level' written all over them.

If all Pulis actually does is to get a winning mentality at the club and improved attitudes and commitment from players then it will be good enough for me. So what if he prefers to buy British players? Good for him I say. It's a shame every single manage in the country doesn't feel the same way. England might actually have a chance of winning a tournament at some point in the future if English clubs stopped this nonsense of bringing second rate/average foreign players in. On top of that we would see increased levels of passion and effort which is what fans of any club want to see from their players. It costs a bloody lot of money now to watch some johnny foreigner strolling around the field without actually giving a monkey's for the club he is supposedly representing. Our scouting structure has Director of scouting for Europe, head of scouting in Outer Mongolia, assistant chief scout for the Moon and Mars, etc. What's wrong with a bloke going out to the local dog pooh ridden park on a Sunday with a flask of tea and a notepad? Where do you think Man Utd found Beckham,Giggs, Scholes, Butt, the Neville brothers, etc? It wasn't from a jumped up Head of Scouting watching video's from Timbuktoo was it? I bet if we actually bothered, we could find a squad of 30 young players from the West Midlands who given the right coaching and nurturing would eventually be good enough to play at this level.

Pulis with his methods and attitude to the game is absolutely spot on in my opinion. OK, so he doesn't sit comfortably in this trendy modern world of foreign coaches,owners,etc, but why on earth in God's name would we want that? Back to basics is the way forward in every sense. When Sky pull the plug which they almost certainly will do with all this live streaming now available, you watch who the better off clubs will be then.

OK

'Firstly, he mentions that there is a lot of dross down there and not all of them can go down. Fair enough you might think but Burnley,Leicester,QPR,Hull and Crystal Palace are hardly established Premier League clubs are they'

That's no the point I made though, my point was made that it was hardly a certainty that we were going down even if AI were left in charge, let alone if someone half decent was appointed.

Mowbray tried to play attacking football in the Championship but we soon found that didn't work with the players we had in the Premier League. Teams were happy for us to keep possession amongst the back four and in the middle of the park, knowing we couldn't penetrate well organised defences.

So the only possible way we can stay up is by going 'all out defence' and the only type of attacking football we could possibly play is to copy what Mowbray did?

So what if he prefers to buy British players? Good for him I say. It's a shame every single manage in the country doesn't feel the same way. England might actually have a chance of winning a tournament at some point in the future if English clubs stopped this nonsense of bringing second rate/average foreign players in. On top of that we would see increased levels of passion and effort which is what fans of any club want to see from their players. It costs a bloody lot of money now to watch some johnny foreigner strolling around the field without actually giving a monkey's for the club he is supposedly representing. Our scouting structure has Director of scouting for Europe, head of scouting in Outer Mongolia, assistant chief scout for the Moon and Mars, etc. What's wrong with a bloke going out to the local dog pooh ridden park on a Sunday with a flask of tea and a notepad? Where do you think Man Utd found Beckham,Giggs, Scholes, Butt, the Neville brothers, etc? It wasn't from a jumped up Head of Scouting watching video's from Timbuktoo was it? I bet if we actually bothered, we could find a squad of 30 young players from the West Midlands who given the right coaching and nurturing would eventually be good enough to play at this level.

Don't really know where to start with that. It's a different conversation but for me there's so much in their which is exactly why England are so sh*t. This small minded mentality that everything British is best and suspicious of 'johnny foreigners' as you put it. British = try hard and foreign = fancy dan and a luxory. Send Pulis your CV you'd probably fit in well with his structure. How well do you think England would do if they played against players Like Mark Noble and Craig Gardner every week in big games. Or maybe playing against and training with players like Hazard, Silva, Di Maria, Aguero each week makes them better players as a result.

It's a global game and if we restrict ourselves to the UK only market (or 30 miles of West Bromwich if we could actually be bothered to do any work as you hilariously put it) then we are missing out on numerous top players who if they were British and the same level of ability would cost 5 times as much.

If all Pulis actually does is to get a winning mentality

Pulis doesn't have a winning mentality. He has a dont lose mentality. He's played 3 league games and won 1 (due to a stupid piece of Hull defending and a deflected free kick). We've scored 2 goals in 3 games. In those 3 games we have had 6 shots on target (and it's not like we were playing Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal in those games)

Pulis is not, and never has been a winner. He's a scrapper, a fighter and hard working, all admirable traits, but his mentality is to not lose. he would happily take 38 0-0's and survival at the start of each season. Happy to be proved wrong but to my knowledge he has never won a trophy in 20+ years of management. He simply isn't a winner

If people are happy to take what Pulis serves us as long as it keeps us up then they are more than entitled to. It's not something I agree with but it's something I can understand. However can we stop kidding ourselves about what Pulis is going to bring to the club, and that it's the only option he has.

Personally I go to football to enjoy it, not to win. It just happens that 99% of the time winning is something very enjoyable that makes me happy and as a result I like winning. If we're contesting our 20th 0-0 of the season with Wycombe in league 2 I'll still have the exact same feeling towards the club as I do now, so results are not the be all and end all for me. Naturally I hope we win more than we lose but does anyone really care that much in the scheme of things if we finish 16th or 11th? So if not lets at least try and make it slightly entertaining in the process.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 26, 2015, 01:21:13 PM
for the record i'm totally in agreement with this.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mat15(MH) on January 26, 2015, 01:33:14 PM
Got to say, I think the one criticism of Pulis that is harsh is that he doesn't bring through young players.

Was there really anyone from the Stoke academy who was knocking the doors down? Like the Stoke fans who came on here said, about the best young player they produced is Ryan Shotton who is now second choice at a Championship side. Andy Wilkinson is another youth product, and he's an incredibly average footballer.

He picked up Shawcross as a young player from Man United and gave him the captaincy at a young age, and he's developed into a solid Premier League centre half. Got Marc Wilson from Pompey at a young age and again gave him plenty of game time, turned him into a decent Premier League player.Hardly someone who doesn't trust young players?

He was at Palace for 6 months, so think it's totally unrealistic to expect him to bring through a series of young players, especially with the predicament they found themselves in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 01:37:32 PM
I agree with this to an extenrt. Similar to how we always critised managers for not bringing through young players and then none of managed even decent Championship careers after they left us.

Saying that, if he has the option of bringing through Nabi by playing him wide of a forward 3, or pushing Craig Gardner out to RW I'm pretty confident of guessing his action now. He just doesn't strike me as someone who has any interest in nurturing and developing young talent when he could sign a Shola Ameobi instead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 26, 2015, 02:54:19 PM
Some interesting Premier League long ball statistics for this season linked below.

http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3 (http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 26, 2015, 02:59:28 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on January 26, 2015, 02:54:19 PM
Some interesting Premier League long ball statistics for this season linked below.

http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3 (http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3)
It's no coincidence that with the exception of Manchester United, the teams who play long ball are the teams at the bottom of the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 26, 2015, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on January 26, 2015, 02:54:19 PM
Some interesting Premier League long ball statistics for this season linked below.

http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3 (http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3)

Tried to find this stat before Christmas after I saw it on Sky Sports at the time, well before the Pulis era began
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 26, 2015, 03:32:09 PM
I find it interesting reading this thread how expectations change, when Hodgson came in we wanted results and people were happy with his brand of football, even today he is spoken of in high regard.

We've been in the league a few years longer and find ourselves in a similar position; now turning to Pulis. In terms of style I think they are VERY similar. However, already people are saying how ugly Pulis's football is, whilst Hodgson got a much better time with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on January 26, 2015, 02:54:19 PM
Some interesting Premier League long ball statistics for this season linked below.

http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3 (http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3)

On the Albion stats it works out to over 72 long balls per game....... seems a lot doesn't it? unless I've read it wrong  :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 04:18:19 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 26, 2015, 03:32:09 PM
I find it interesting reading this thread how expectations change, when Hodgson came in we wanted results and people were happy with his brand of football, even today he is spoken of in high regard.

We've been in the league a few years longer and find ourselves in a similar position; now turning to Pulis. In terms of style I think they are VERY similar. However, already people are saying how ugly Pulis's football is, whilst Hodgson got a much better time with it.

I really think people are in for shock with Pulis 'style', especially if they think it's like Hodgsons.

Some stats from the 11/12 season

Possession
Albion 15th  Stoke 20th

Pass completion
Albion 11th  Stoke 20th

Shots per game
Albion 7th  Stoke 20th

Shots on target
Albion 8th  Stoke 20th (2.5 per game, sound familiar?)

Dribbles per game
Albion 10th  Stoke 19th

Long balls per game
Albion 18th  Stoke 4th

Short balls per game
Albion 11th  Stoke 20th

Counter attacking goals
Albion 8th  Stoke 18th

Goals scored
Albion 10th  Stoke 20th

Goals from open play
Albion 15th  Stoke 20th (14 goals from open play all season! Just better than 1 goal every 3 games)


Under Hodgson we were not 'pretty' but we changed our approach depending on who we faced. We were not a long ball side and we created plenty going forward. I think some people think this is what Pulis brings and as much as I hope they are right I see no evidence that he does. Unless he's going to change his ways he brings exactly what we have seen from him so far. Hodgson was not gung ho, he wasn't even attacking but it was good balanced football, something I'm sure the vast majority would be happy with. Pulis' football isn't balanced. It's dreary, it's dull and it's awful to watch.

Most interesting stat

Goals conceded
Albion 52  Stoke 53

Pulis way is not the only way! It's not the only way to keep us up, it's not the only way teams like us can survive and it's certainly not the only option he has at his disposal. He plays this way because he wants to, hence why Varela and Blanco were gone the second he came in

(For those who dont care about the performance and just the result - Albion 10th, Stoke 14th. Since we came back up under RDM Pulis's Stoke never finished above us in the league)


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 26, 2015, 04:24:58 PM
Fascinating stats, Astle1968, thanks for posting them. Given that they were so dire in so many respects, you have to be surprised that Stoke stayed up that season! 14 goals all season from open play is absolutely shocking. I'm concerned about what lies in store for us, as you've thoughtfully and persuasively conveyed in your various posts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 04:29:32 PM
Anyone can twist and manipulate statistics to fit whatever point of view they have or stance they are taking. It is obvious that Astle1968 doesn't like or rate Tony Pulis so he is spending his time digging up facts to fit his own agenda on this subject. The fact of the matter is who else could the Albion have employed to almost guarantee our Premier League survival? Nobody. End of chat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 04:33:11 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 04:18:19 PM
I really think people are in for shock with Pulis 'style', especially if they think it's like Hodgsons.

Some stats from the 11/12 season

Possession
Albion 15th  Stoke 20th

Pass completion
Albion 11th  Stoke 20th

Shots per game
Albion 7th  Stoke 20th

Shots on target
Albion 8th  Stoke 20th (2.5 per game, sound familiar?)

Dribbles per game
Albion 10th  Stoke 19th

Long balls per game
Albion 18th  Stoke 4th

Short balls per game
Albion 11th  Stoke 20th

Counter attacking goals
Albion 8th  Stoke 18th

Goals scored
Albion 10th  Stoke 20th

Goals from open play
Albion 15th  Stoke 20th (14 goals from open play all season! Just better than 1 goal every 3 games)


Under Hodgson we were not 'pretty' but we changed our approach depending on who we faced. We were not a long ball side and we created plenty going forward. I think some people think this is what Pulis brings and as much as I hope they are right I see no evidence that he does. Unless he's going to change his ways he brings exactly what we have seen from him so far. Hodgson was not gung ho, he wasn't even attacking but it was good balanced football, something I'm sure the vast majority would be happy with. Pulis' football isn't balanced. It's dreary, it's dull and it's awful to watch.

Most interesting stat

Goals conceded
Albion 52  Stoke 53

Pulis way is not the only way! It's not the only way to keep us up, it's not the only way teams like us can survive and it's certainly not the only option he has at his disposal. He plays this way because he wants to, hence why Varela and Blanco were gone the second he came in

(For those who dont care about the performance and just the result - Albion 10th, Stoke 14th. Since we came back up under RDM Pulis's Stoke never finished above us in the league)

Some will tell you (& I agree to an extent) that stats can be used to suit any agenda, however, in this case I would have to say that, if correct, those statistics should act as an alarming eye opener for those who think everything is rosy in the garden now that Pulis is in charge.  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 04:39:37 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 04:29:32 PM
Anyone can twist and manipulate statistics to fit whatever point of view they have or stance they are taking. It is obvious that Astle1968 doesn't like or rate Tony Pulis so he is spending his time digging up facts to fit his own agenda on this subject. The fact of the matter is who else could the Albion have employed to almost guarantee our Premier League survival? Nobody. End of chat.

I think if you read Astle1968's previous post's you'll realise that like most of us he agree's that TP is probably the right man for the job 'at this moment in time', also like many of us he has no agenda against Pulis but is merely expressing his fears for the long term quality (or lack there of) & style of football we are going to be playing for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skalbaggie on January 26, 2015, 04:45:24 PM
What "entertaining football" is, is a personal opinion. I find stereotypical british football more entertaining than spanish sideway passing football with loads of dives. I would love if we started with long throw ins and many dirty tackles. Teams should fear us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 04:47:47 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 04:29:32 PM
Anyone can twist and manipulate statistics to fit whatever point of view they have or stance they are taking. It is obvious that Astle1968 doesn't like or rate Tony Pulis so he is spending his time digging up facts to fit his own agenda on this subject. The fact of the matter is who else could the Albion have employed to almost guarantee our Premier League survival? Nobody. End of chat.


Right it's not an agenda, it's an opinion. It's a forum. Probably the best place for me to share them unless you suggest I get a seat behind the dugout and shout them at him all game. Or we try to organise marches and boycotts and spend most of his time here booing/mocking him like we did with the last guy? Whilst he's our manager he will have my full support whenever I am at the ground, as I hope any manager would.


Nobody is disagreeing with your comment I have bolded. The argument is whether it will be near unwatchable for many of us. Sadly although it probably wont stop the majority of us from watching theres a good chance it will be. If staying up is all that matters for you then brilliant, we've got an ideal man in charge for you and your going to love the next few years if he is still here.

The discussion I'm having is about his style and what we can expect. These stats are not twisted or manipulated, they are facts about the way his sides play. The dont keep the ball, they dont pass the ball, they don't create chances, they don't score goals. Look at the stats from any season he was at Stoke or Palace, they will all tell you the same thing.

Little challenge for you if stats are so easy to manipulate to fit the point you want to make, go and find me some facts that show what brilliant, easy on the eye attractive football he gets his teams playing?

I'll say again, nobody (that I have seen anyway, and certainly not me) is questioning his appointment. Nobody is criticising his appointment. Nobody is doubting he is probably the best man to keep us. What we are discussing (on a forum of all things) is the style of play he will bring with him which if his history is anything to go by is going to polarise opinion whilst he is here. If you don't like it then probably best you stay off here for a while because I imagine this conversation is going to be ongoing for the majority of the time he is here. I also suspect that a large number of people who are happy at the moment wont be so happy in 2 years time and were highly critical of him during his time at Stoke.

I would absolutely love to be proven wrong, but all I can see at the moment is 2/3 years of going to Sunderland and Palace is playing for a point whilst trying to out hoof smaller teams at home. I also think (sadly from a pure football point of view but decent from a Albion view) it will probably be enough to keep us up. As I say if you've got any of these easy to prove stats to hand that can put my mind at rest I would love to see them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 04:48:31 PM
If the Albion were sat comfortably in mid table when the appointment was made it would be a different scenario. Firstly, there wouldn't have been a need to make a change in the first place. The fact is though that we were a sinking ship,desperately going down hill rapidly,heading straight for relegation. JP knew this and had to act, he couldn't wait for another Pepe Mel situation and give it until the end of January to scour the market for the best man for the job. He had to act straight away. There was one man and one man only who was available to fit the bill and who JP knew that we could rely on to turn things around. That man was Tony Pulis. We are not in a position to daydream about flowing football and marvellous individual technique. We were/are in the pooh in needed instant results. In the ideal world, of course we would like to see us get results with the most attractive entertaining football possible but unfortunately we don't live in the ideal world do we. Unless we had 6 months grace from the threat of relegation to achieve this, it was never going to be possible. Tony Pulis will keep us up,that is the whole point of his appointment. We can reassess and move on from there should we wish to do so at a later date.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 26, 2015, 04:49:15 PM
Yet another Astle1968 post which I thoroughly agree with, backed up by logical explanations and solid evidence. Anyone who tries to disagree with anything you say there obviously has an agenda and will refuse to change their views no matter what the evidence suggests.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 26, 2015, 04:52:29 PM
I don't think anyone expects pretty football but to be honest we haven't had that for a while, we've had a lot of pretty little passes getting nowhere.

What we will get is a solid foundation which is something we have lacked for a long while and we will have players earning money instead of trotting around looking busy as we have also had for a while.

Pulis is not the man for the long term and I don't think anyone truly expects him to be but hopefully when he goes he will leave us in a better state than he found us making it easier for the next man to take us forward unless the club then decide to go back to the untried/ untested we have been taking on for the past couple of years. If they do then we will be back to square one again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on January 26, 2015, 04:49:15 PM
Yet another Astle1968 post which I thoroughly agree with, backed up by logical explanations and solid evidence. Anyone who tries to disagree with anything you say there obviously has an agenda and will refuse to change their views no matter what the evidence suggests.

It's all about opinions and that's what makes football the great game that it is. The world would be a boring place if we all had to toe the line and agree with everything that is said. Nobody has been abusive or malicious on this thread, it's just a good healthy,articulate debate with a difference of opinions, exactly what a forum like this should be for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 05:05:39 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 04:48:31 PM
If the Albion were sat comfortably in mid table when the appointment was made it would be a different scenario. Firstly, there wouldn't have been a need to make a change in the first place. The fact is though that we were a sinking ship,desperately going down hill rapidly,heading straight for relegation. JP knew this and had to act, he couldn't wait for another Pepe Mel situation and give it until the end of January to scour the market for the best man for the job. He had to act straight away. There was one man and one man only who was available to fit the bill and who JP knew that we could rely on to turn things around. That man was Tony Pulis. We are not in a position to daydream about flowing football and marvellous individual technique. We were/are in the pooh in needed instant results. In the ideal world, of course we would like to see us get results with the most attractive entertaining football possible but unfortunately we don't live in the ideal world do we. Unless we had 6 months grace from the threat of relegation to achieve this, it was never going to be possible. Tony Pulis will keep us up,that is the whole point of his appointment. We can reassess and move on from there should we wish to do so at a later date.

I absolutely agree with everything you've said there apart from the bolded bit. My hope is Pulis keeps us up this year, consolidates next year and then laves for someone to come in and take us forward a bit more. My fear is Peace will (and he has every right to in his position) see Pulis as someone who can almost guarantee survival each season and stick with him long term.

The only thing I would slightly disagree with is that good football needs to be a daydream. Nobody would say Southampton are a defensive side, in fact they are one of the sides I like to watch most as a neutral but yet they have the best defence in the league. Plying decent football and defending are not mutually exclusive, just as playing decent football and lack of money, or decent football and staying up are not either.

Southampton were heading down with Atkins, they could easily have done what we did and gone for a safe pair of hands, but they took a bold move and went for Pochetino who played a high tempo pressing game. Now you can argue they were newly promoted, had less to lose by going down and could afford the gamble (you could also argue we tried something similar with Mel and made a right mess of it) but look at where they are now. I know it's not a perfect comparison but do you see us getting close to that with Pulis in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 26, 2015, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
It's all about opinions and that's what makes football the great game that it is. The world would be a boring place if we all had to toe the line and agree with everything that is said. Nobody has been abusive or malicious on this thread, it's just a good healthy,articulate debate with a difference of opinions, exactly what a forum like this should be for.
Just to be clear, my post wasn't aimed at you, you didn't seem to be disagreeing with Astle's points anyway. It was aimed at people claiming Pulis' style is the same as Hodgson's, or that Pulis' style is the only way to win games- there's no evidence for either of those things.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 05:10:39 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
It's all about opinions and that's what makes football the great game that it is. The world would be a boring place if we all had to toe the line and agree with everything that is said. Nobody has been abusive or malicious on this thread, it's just a good healthy,articulate debate with a difference of opinions, exactly what a forum like this should be for.

In all fairness this is a good post Nathan but maybe for future reference you should try to understand what a poster is trying to relay on here without attempting to belittle their post & accuse them of manipulating statistics, not everyone has an agenda.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 26, 2015, 05:12:21 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 05:05:39 PM
I absolutely agree with everything you've said there apart from the bolded bit. My hope is Pulis keeps us up this year, consolidates next year and then laves for someone to come in and take us forward a bit more. My fear is Peace will (and he has every right to in his position) see Pulis as someone who can almost guarantee survival each season and stick with him long term.

The only thing I would slightly disagree with is that good football needs to be a daydream. Nobody would say Southampton are a defensive side, in fact they are one of the sides I like to watch most as a neutral but yet they have the best defence in the league. Plying decent football and defending are not mutually exclusive, just as playing decent football and lack of money, or decent football and staying up are not either.

Southampton were heading down with Atkins, they could easily have done what we did and gone for a safe pair of hands, but they took a bold move and went for Pochetino who played a high tempo pressing game. Now you can argue they were newly promoted, had less to lose by going down and could afford the gamble (you could also argue we tried something similar with Mel and made a right mess of it) but look at where they are now. I know it's not a perfect comparison but do you see us getting close to that with Pulis in charge.

let's give Pulis a chance. 4 games 0 losses. Good enough for me at the moment. let's see what happens in the next 12 months, you never know he might surprise a few people.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 05:17:33 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 05:05:39 PM
I absolutely agree with everything you've said there apart from the bolded bit. My hope is Pulis keeps us up this year, consolidates next year and then laves for someone to come in and take us forward a bit more. My fear is Peace will (and he has every right to in his position) see Pulis as someone who can almost guarantee survival each season and stick with him long term.

The only thing I would slightly disagree with is that good football needs to be a daydream. Nobody would say Southampton are a defensive side, in fact they are one of the sides I like to watch most as a neutral but yet they have the best defence in the league. Plying decent football and defending are not mutually exclusive, just as playing decent football and lack of money, or decent football and staying up are not either.

Southampton were heading down with Atkins, they could easily have done what we did and gone for a safe pair of hands, but they took a bold move and went for Pochetino who played a high tempo pressing game. Now you can argue they were newly promoted, had less to lose by going down and could afford the gamble (you could also argue we tried something similar with Mel and made a right mess of it) but look at where they are now. I know it's not a perfect comparison but do you see us getting close to that with Pulis in charge.

I totally agree, I would love to see us playing like Southampton, and as you rightly say, they were in a similar predicament to ourselves when they made a change. I don't know how long Ponchetino had been on their radar for, I'd imagine he must have been in the back of the Southampton director's minds for some time for them to make what appeared to be a quite random appointment. I guess JP didn't have such a back up plan lined up and like I said in my previous post, we didn't have the luxury of time on our side to find a replacement who could play more along the lines of the way Southampton do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on January 26, 2015, 05:21:19 PM
Who cares how we are playing we're getting results. Everyone was craving for stability under the clown show and now we've got it people are still nit picking on who plays what style.

Petty. You cant win
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 05:24:45 PM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 05:10:39 PM
In all fairness this is a good post Nathan but maybe for future reference you should try to understand what a poster is trying to relay on here without attempting to belittle their post & accuse them of manipulating statistics, not everyone has an agenda.

I was in no way trying to belittle Astle1968's posts,I even said it was good articulate,healthy debate. I always enjoy reading Astle1968's posts,as he says himself, it is exactly what a forum should be for. I should have used the word 'opinion' rather than 'agenda', I grant you that. I fully appreciate what Astle1968 is saying, I was just offering another opinion and other thoughts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 26, 2015, 05:27:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 05:17:33 PM
I totally agree, I would love to see us playing like Southampton, and as you rightly say, they were in a similar predicament to ourselves when they made a change. I don't know how long Ponchetino had been on their radar for, I'd imagine he must have been in the back of the Southampton director's minds for some time for them to make what appeared to be a quite random appointment. I guess JP didn't have such a back up plan lined up and like I said in my previous post, we didn't have the luxury of time on our side to find a replacement who could play more along the lines of the way Southampton do.

Southampton have bought some top quality players to go with the ones they already had over the last couple of years. They have bought them in to fit the system whereas we seem to bring in 'squad fillers' with no real idea or plan of how to use them. There is no way on earth that the squad we currently have could play a similar style and get results. The players just aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 26, 2015, 05:28:05 PM
I will keep repeating myself until I get an answer, but why on earth can't there be a compromise?! (Really struggling not to get angry about this!)

We need points and results. Forgive me if I'm wrong but we haven't been lower than 17th this season - we're not 6 points adrift or anything daft like that? Right? But it's bloody tight down there, and we can't afford to let ourselves be complacent, and that's something Pulis won't let us be. I think most people now expect us to now stay up.

The reason I keep smashing my head on my desk when reading this thread is that there seems to be a defence of Pulis that because he will keep us up, his way is the only way, and that those clamouring for better football are wishing us to play Spanish style tika-taka!

Of course we're not!

We're not asking for 30 passes before a backheel-ed rabona cross for Berahino to take on his chest and bicycle kick into the next, which I feel is what some people are trying to make out as being the only alternative to Pulis-ball.

I have to say the goal we scored against West Ham is the kind of goal I want to see - counter-attacking with pace. And we had/have the players to do that (Gamboa, Sessegnon, Varela, Berahino), but it seems we're not going down that route.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 26, 2015, 05:32:37 PM
Southampton are as solid as they come. That's why so many people are looking at them as the current blueprint.

Schneiderlin and Wanyama do what Mulumbu and Yacob did during the Hodgson era. If one goes forward the other has no intention of moving from his defensive position. They also work very hard off the ball. Sprinting back to help the full backs when the opposition counter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: MarkW on January 26, 2015, 05:28:05 PM
I will keep repeating myself until I get an answer, but why on earth can't there be a compromise?! (Really struggling not to get angry about this!)

We need points and results. Forgive me if I'm wrong but we haven't been lower than 17th this season - we're not 6 points adrift or anything daft like that? Right? But it's bloody tight down there, and we can't afford to let ourselves be complacent, and that's something Pulis won't let us be. I think most people now expect us to now stay up.

The reason I keep smashing my head on my desk when reading this thread is that there seems to be a defence of Pulis that because he will keep us up, his way is the only way, and that those clamouring for better football are wishing us to play Spanish style tika-taka!

Of course we're not!

We're not asking for 30 passes before a backheel-ed rabona cross for Berahino to take on his chest and bicycle kick into the next, which I feel is what some people are trying to make out as being the only alternative to Pulis-ball.

I have to say the goal we scored against West Ham is the kind of goal I want to see - counter-attacking with pace. And we had/have the players to do that (Gamboa, Sessegnon, Varela, Berahino), but it seems we're not going down that route.

Fair points mentioned there. The only thing I can think of for an answer to lack of compromise is the worry that any tinkering of style of play is going to take a number of weeks to implement. It is far easier and quicker to implement a more 'basic' style such as we are playing now than it is to get the team playing with quicker,more precise attacking methods. I think we have gone for an ultra safety first approach purely because JP didn't want to take a risk with the danger of us running out of time if results didn't immediately improve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 05:24:45 PM
I was in no way trying to belittle Astle1968's posts,I even said it was good articulate,healthy debate. I always enjoy reading Astle1968's posts,as he says himself, it is exactly what a forum should be for. I should have used the word 'opinion' rather than 'agenda', I grant you that. I fully appreciate what Astle1968 is saying, I was just offering another opinion and other thoughts.

Fair enough but this is the post I was referring to:

"Anyone can twist and manipulate statistics to fit whatever point of view they have or stance they are taking. It is obvious that Astle1968 doesn't like or rate Tony Pulis so he is spending his time digging up facts to fit his own agenda on this subject. The fact of the matter is who else could the Albion have employed to almost guarantee our Premier League survival? Nobody. End of chat".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 26, 2015, 05:56:40 PM
how are people trying to compare pulis to hodgson, there at totally different levels
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 26, 2015, 05:56:59 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 05:39:31 PM
Fair points mentioned there. The only thing I can think of for an answer to lack of compromise is the worry that any tinkering of style of play is going to take a number of weeks to implement. It is far easier and quicker to implement a more 'basic' style such as we are playing now than it is to get the team playing with quicker,more precise attacking methods. I think we have gone for an ultra safety first approach purely because JP didn't want to take a risk with the danger of us running out of time if results didn't immediately improve.

I think you're spot on with those thoughts Nathan.

The TV revenue is about to go through the roof. The disparity between the Premier League and the Championship will be ridiculous. In his first interviews Pulis kept reiterating how it's going to be his toughest job. Reiterating the need to hit the ground running and bank some wins as soon as possible.

His best way to bank the points? Concede no goals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 26, 2015, 06:11:29 PM
Astle, I'm sure Pulis's stats from last season are better, and in my view it's much less bias to view him on his last job, as it's a closer time period and therefore more relevant, you may as well look up his stats for his other clubs if going down the Stoke route.

His style of play is similar to Hodgsons, you have pointed out that at Stoke he scored less and it was even more 'dull' than Hodgson and I would agree, but it still makes it similar; they both thrive on set pieces at both ends, keeping it tight etc.

Pulis will do fine here, a lot of people said he left Stoke in a mess when he left but Mark Hughes made it look easy...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 26, 2015, 06:30:42 PM
A negative view born of educated guess work seems to be that we will have to support the Albion whilst holding our noses to the stench of boring football Pulis promotes.
We haven’t even stayed up yet, but that with all the other predictions are seemingly inevitable. Pulis even hasn’t bought any players yet, (maybe McManaman – is he the typical Pulis Neanderthal or Southampton esq I don’t know)
Perhaps we should get down the charity shops now to get our bed sheets ready for August so after he keeps us up we can demonstrate “Pulis Out” banners on the opening game of the new season.
Here’s another educated guess after we have sacked Pulis for boring us to survival. We get a progressive attacking manager who gets us to 8th place with sparkling football and a big club comes and takes him and 4 of our best players.
My point is I just don’t see the point of being so negative about something’s that hasn’t even happened yet. At what point should we start booing our monotonous football before or after we have stayed up because if we adopt such a pessimistic view of our clubs future we might as well start booing Pulis at the Spurs game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 06:59:48 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 26, 2015, 06:11:29 PM
Astle, I'm sure Pulis's stats from last season are better, and in my view it's much less bias to view him on his last job, as it's a closer time period and therefore more relevant, you may as well look up his stats for his other clubs if going down the Stoke route.

His style of play is similar to Hodgsons, you have pointed out that at Stoke he scored less and it was even more 'dull' than Hodgson and I would agree, but it still makes it similar; they both thrive on set pieces at both ends, keeping it tight etc.

Pulis will do fine here, a lot of people said he left Stoke in a mess when he left but Mark Hughes made it look easy...

I've posted his Palace stats elsewhere and they are virtually identical. Id say the Stoke ones hold more weight as that was a team he built in his own image whereas Palace he was left to work more or less with what he inherited. I actually dont think the stuff palace played was quite as bad as at stoke, but it still wasn't pretty to watch.

Go and look at his Stoke side when they first came up, the side he left or the one he took over at palace and all the stats like shots, possesion, dribbles, goals, pass etc are pretty much the same each season.

I hope Im wrong but theres nothing to suggest he's going to change his style now. Its like Anichebe, he 'could' score 10 goals between now and May, saying he would or wouldnt is nothing more than educated guess work, but have a look at the last 6 years of his career and its a pretty safe bet to say he wont.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 26, 2015, 07:03:39 PM
It's not me you have to convince, I will happy with mid-table obscurity even if we play 'ugly' football, I admire his defensive game even if most don't.

However, I'd also in the 4 games (3 competitive) that I've seen at West Brom so far, there are lots of similarities between him and Hodgson whilst he was here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 26, 2015, 07:07:27 PM
Did we ever have a game under Hodgson where we failed to get a single shot on target?  (If we did it was clearly a forgettable match!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 26, 2015, 07:09:44 PM
what hodgson played much better football than tony pulis does, you dont manage teams like inter milan, england, liverpool and guide fulham to the latter stages of the uefa cup, if you just hoof it like pulis does
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on January 26, 2015, 07:11:25 PM
What is up with all this statistics BS?
The only statistics I care about is how many points we get between now and the end of the season. It makes no difference what Tony Pulis accomplished at other teams, with different players and with more time to make a difference.
I'll break it down for all these stats people.... we haven't lost yet and are conceding fewer goals. Did I mention we have picked up some points and actually look like the team isn't about to roll over at the start of every game.
Lets make our opinions known when he's had more than two weeks to make changes. Anyone who is here criticizing the team actually getting some points and comparing it to previous seasons with other clubs needs to take a break from this forum. I; and I suspect many others; do not need this negative view of everything.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 26, 2015, 07:57:25 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 26, 2015, 07:07:27 PM
Did we ever have a game under Hodgson where we failed to get a single shot on target?  (If we did it was clearly a forgettable match!)

It might have been against Everton on New Years Day. Victor Anichebe scored the winner.

Funnily enough under Pulis, another game where we didn't manage a single shot on target was also against Everton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 26, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: Nice1Cyrille on January 26, 2015, 07:11:25 PM
Anyone who is here criticizing the team actually getting some points and comparing it to previous seasons with other clubs needs to take a break from this forum. I; and I suspect many others; do not need this negative view of everything.

Nobody needs to take a break from the forum for posting their well reasoned opinions which might differ to somebody elses.

People have different viewpoints - its what makes a forum - and everybody is entitled to make their posts without being belittled and being told to go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 26, 2015, 08:08:42 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 26, 2015, 07:57:25 PM
It might have been against Everton on New Years Day. Victor Anichebe scored the winner.

Funnily enough under Pulis, another game where we didn't manage a single shot on target was also against Everton.

TBH Liam, it's the Everton game that's scared me about TP. I don't get too snobby about playing styles, providing we try to win a game. I didn't see any evidence of us trying to win that game. Hope Saturday's a bit better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on January 26, 2015, 08:30:35 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on January 26, 2015, 08:08:42 PM
it's the Everton game that's scared me about TP. I don't get too snobby about playing styles, providing we try to win a game. I didn't see any evidence of us trying to win that game. Hope Saturday's a bit better.

I thought the opposite to be honest, and the Everton match reassured me that we have a bloke at the helm who is addressing the fundamental issue affecting clubs drifting towards the relegation zone - you initially focus on the defence first and foremost.

Watching the match on TV, I can't recall the last time I had watched the Albion in such a relaxed state of mind, as penalty incident apart, I just couldn't see Everton scoring against us.

If there hadn't been the slight misunderstanding between Ideye and Sess towards the end we would have walked away with all 3 points.

I really enjoyed seeing such an organised and well drilled defence, and if I'm honest, enjoyed the obvious frustration of the Everton players and their fans as they failed, time and time again, to break us down.

More of the same is fine with me, so we can get to the Summer, regroup and then really kick on for the first time in around 2 1/2 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 26, 2015, 08:41:56 PM
Out of interest why is there a sudden move to be negative. I've had my views on him since day 1, but to be fair we have had decent results since he took over so why is there a growing groundswell of negativity?

Is it the sty le of play? Releasing Varela and Blanco? Reported interest in Ameobi?

I'm genuinely interested as to why there seems to be a growing change of heart.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 26, 2015, 08:54:39 PM
Stoke are currently being out passed by Rochdale 54%-46%. The only goal from the game coming directly from a long ball  ;D

That's with a 'new' manager who has had 18 months to stamp his style onto the team. Pulis has had less than 1 month with the West Brom squad.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 26, 2015, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: frazzle on January 26, 2015, 08:41:56 PM
Out of interest why is there a sudden move to be negative. I've had my views on him since day 1, but to be fair we have had decent results since he took over so why is there a growing groundswell of negativity?

Is it the sty le of play? Releasing Varela and Blanco? Reported interest in Ameobi?

I'm genuinely interested as to why there seems to be a growing change of heart.

its all of the above plus no in-coming players, if we are changing things great, we all agreed that change was necessary. I can only speak for myself but I'm worried about failing to sign good new blood and the whole thing un-ravelling
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 09:03:11 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 26, 2015, 08:54:39 PM
Stoke are currently being out passed by Rochdale 54%-46%. The only goal from the game coming directly from a long ball  ;D

That's with a 'new' manager who has had 18 months to stamp his style onto the team. Pulis has had less than 1 month with the West Brom squad.

Try as much as you like Tony stokelad, you not going to convert some of us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 26, 2015, 09:15:44 PM
Quote from: Brummie Road on January 26, 2015, 08:30:35 PM
I thought the opposite to be honest, and the Everton match reassured me that we have a bloke at the helm who is addressing the fundamental issue affecting clubs drifting towards the relegation zone - you initially focus on the defence first and foremost.

Watching the match on TV, I can't recall the last time I had watched the Albion in such a relaxed state of mind, as penalty incident apart, I just couldn't see Everton scoring against us.

If there hadn't been the slight misunderstanding between Ideye and Sess towards the end we would have walked away with all 3 points.

I really enjoyed seeing such an organised and well drilled defence, and if I'm honest, enjoyed the obvious frustration of the Everton players and their fans as they failed, time and time again, to break us down.

More of the same is fine with me, so we can get to the Summer, regroup and then really kick on for the first time in around 2 1/2 years.

But we're going to need more than just draws to keep us in this league, & surely the way that Everton are playing at the moment, it's a game we should have expected to win. I didn't see any evidence that we wanted to win it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on January 26, 2015, 09:35:59 PM
Just a thought pulis is quite correct saying this is a big job to help us stay up.we are the biggest club he has coached.I think he will keep us up and next year we will be an organised superfit team aiming for top 8
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 26, 2015, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on January 26, 2015, 09:15:44 PM
But we're going to need more than just draws to keep us in this league, & surely the way that Everton are playing at the moment, it's a game we should have expected to win. I didn't see any evidence that we wanted to win it.
They wanted a win John.We stopped them got a point.Everton have some very good players Lukaku?
We stopped them got the job done as Brumme Rd says,
We will turn sides over I am sure.If fact we turned Everton over as they expected 3 points. 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 26, 2015, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on January 26, 2015, 09:43:55 PM
They wanted a win John.We stopped them got a point.Everton have some very good players Lukaku?
We stopped them got the job done as Brumme Rd says,
We will turn sides over I am sure.If fact we turned Everton over as they expected 3 points. 8)

There's an old cliché " If you play in the opposition's half of the field, they can't score". We had 30% possession in the Everton match, so Everton had 70%, that's a risky strategy to me. I watched the match on TV, we hardly crossed the halfway line. If they had scored the penalty, I'm convinced we would have lost the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 26, 2015, 10:28:15 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on January 26, 2015, 09:53:27 PM
There's an old cliché " If you play in the opposition's half of the field, they can't score". We had 30% possession in the Everton match, so Everton had 70%, that's a risky strategy to me. I watched the match on TV, we hardly crossed the halfway line. If they had scored the penalty, I'm convinced we would have lost the game.
We used to get loads of possession with Mowbray and lose, possession doesn't mean anything unless it creates goals, and for that you need lots of possession in the opponents box, which we did not give to Everton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2015, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 26, 2015, 10:28:15 PM
We used to get loads of possession with Mowbray and lose, possession doesn't mean anything unless it creates goals, and for that you need lots of possession in the opponents box, which we did not give to Everton.
We just gave them a penalty that they missed.  ;)

I can not see us going down under Pulis like I could not see us going down under Irvine. Even our "useless" players are capable of keeping us in the greed league.  I am now more concerned about where we are going to see our next three points come from as we are yet to see any real attacking intention.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 27, 2015, 11:26:09 AM
This debate is a bit like looking at architect's plans for a new building and saying what we hope the decor will be like! Let's wait a bit eh? New players in during Jan and the summer should give us a good impression of where the new direction is heading....................hopeully Pulis gives us a solid foundation to build from......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 27, 2015, 12:09:01 PM
Quote from: darbolina on January 27, 2015, 11:26:09 AM
This debate is a bit like looking at architect's plans for a new building and saying what we hope the decor will be like! Let's wait a bit eh? New players in during Jan and the summer should give us a good impression of where the new direction is heading....................hopeully Pulis gives us a solid foundation to build from......

Well said.....I remember before he was appointed that there were plenty of 'we dont want Pulis' comments on this site, but none of them put forward any acceptable options. We were not in a position to take yet another 'lucky punt' on someone who is an all round good egg but had no 'real' experience. You just know that the 'I told you so' gang will be out as soon as we lose a game.....

He was the only man for the job and I hope he is with us for a long time for the right reasons, but give him a chance and wait to see what he can do with his own men.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on January 27, 2015, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: darbolina on January 27, 2015, 11:26:09 AM
This debate is a bit like looking at architect's plans for a new building and saying what we hope the decor will be like! Let's wait a bit eh? New players in during Jan and the summer should give us a good impression of where the new direction is heading....................hopeully Pulis gives us a solid foundation to build from......
judging by our back four on saturday our new building is going to be full of big pillars.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 27, 2015, 12:52:52 PM
well all buildings need strong foundations of course!! We can then employ a fancy interior designer to make things look pretty of course! The last thing we want is to choose the curtains before the building is complete as tastes change! I'll have a lie down eh!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on January 27, 2015, 04:25:50 PM
He was and is the right man at the right time....and if he cannot save us, then no one can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 27, 2015, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: robnewbold on January 27, 2015, 04:25:50 PM
He was and is the right man at the right time....and if he cannot save us, then no one can.



some would say the mesiah
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 27, 2015, 04:46:19 PM
If he cant keep us out the bottom 3 then he's done a worse job than Irvine did, as well as RDM, Hodgson, Clarke and Mel.

Keeping us up is not the job Pulis is making it out to be. The last guy failed at 2 league 1 clubs, took over after the worst summer of transfer business I can ever remember us having and had a large number of the crowd against him from day 1. At yet even he could still only take us as low as 17th
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 27, 2015, 04:46:28 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 27, 2015, 12:09:01 PM
Well said.....I remember before he was appointed that there were plenty of 'we dont want Pulis' comments on this site, but none of them put forward any acceptable options. We were not in a position to take yet another 'lucky punt' on someone who is an all round good egg but had no 'real' experience. You just know that the 'I told you so' gang will be out as soon as we lose a game.....

He was the only man for the job and I hope he is with us for a long time for the right reasons, but give him a chance and wait to see what he can do with his own men.

Sorry to be a pain but would you mind posting some of the 'we don't want Pulis' comments please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 27, 2015, 05:19:53 PM
Pulis' brand of "football" is abhorrent to me. In the thread you speak of, I stated that I'd rather be relegated than resort to the tactics that Pulis' Stoke team employed on a regular basis. Just imagine his first training session...

"Hi lads, I'm Tony. Whose got the longest throw then?"


Comments like these Luv, quite a few if you search. I have just re read some of the threads, its quite amusing that in the days leading up to his appointment there was a lot of speculation about Sherwood, Hughton and Jones. Pulis comes into the frame and there is a fair bit of negative comment, and then he is appointed and there is a grudging acceptance that actually, JP has called this one right!.

The only reason I joined this site was because Im could not believe the negative attitude towards his appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 27, 2015, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 27, 2015, 05:19:53 PM
Pulis' brand of "football" is abhorrent to me. In the thread you speak of, I stated that I'd rather be relegated than resort to the tactics that Pulis' Stoke team employed on a regular basis. Just imagine his first training session...

"Hi lads, I'm Tony. Whose got the longest throw then?"


Comments like these Luv, quite a few if you search. I have just re read some of the threads, its quite amusing that in the days leading up to his appointment there was a lot of speculation about Sherwood, Hughton and Jones. Pulis comes into the frame and there is a fair bit of negative comment, and then he is appointed and there is a grudging acceptance that actually, JP has called this one right!.

The only reason I joined this site was because Im could not believe the negative attitude towards his appointment.

Strangely I've searched but wasn't able to find one forum member who posted the words 'we don't want Pulis', despite you saying there were "plenty" of those comments, just wondering where you had seen them  :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 27, 2015, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 27, 2015, 04:46:19 PM
If he cant keep us out the bottom 3 then he's done a worse job than Irvine did, as well as RDM, Hodgson, Clarke and Mel.

Keeping us up is not the job Pulis is making it out to be. The last guy failed at 2 league 1 clubs, took over after the worst summer of transfer business I can ever remember us having and had a large number of the crowd against him from day 1. At yet even he could still only take us as low as 17th
another 3 weeks of Irvine and we would have been in the bottom three,pulis will keep us up but so far its not a good watch
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 27, 2015, 06:28:34 PM
Not only for the team but to shut the moaners up I'd love to see us sign MaManaman Ba and Fletcher. They moan when were linked with their Pulis stereotype player. I shall cup my hand to my ear and run round the kitchen if we sign players that don't fit the anti Pulis agenda.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 27, 2015, 06:32:42 PM
Is there any point in being ante Tony pulis. The bloke is here and working his socks off to keep us up .let's hope we do stop up . Next season is the time to gripe .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 27, 2015, 06:36:01 PM
Quote from: charliemike on January 27, 2015, 06:32:42 PM
Is there any point in being ante Tony pulis. The bloke is here and working his socks off to keep us up .let's hope we do stop up . Next season is the time to gripe .
Well said mate.Under Irvine we would have gone down I have no doubt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 27, 2015, 06:36:53 PM
I don't think anybody is anti-Pulis

They are just offering concerns with regards to his abrasive personality and style of football.

I think more or less everybody is in agreement that Pulis was the right man but I don't think we should automatically abandon our concerns with regards to what we'll be watching over the next 12 months or so just because he was the right man at this time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 27, 2015, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 27, 2015, 06:36:53 PM
I don't think anybody is anti-Pulis

They are just offering concerns with regards to his abrasive personality and style of football.

I think more or less everybody is in agreement that Pulis was the right man but I don't think we should automatically abandon our concerns with regards to what we'll be watching over the next 12 months or so just because he was the right man at this time.

Pulis is competent. His Stoke style of football ie "Pulisball" is also a dramatic condemnation of where British football stands at this point in time. What is remarkable is how scarce, not to say non-existent, alternatives to him are at this point in time. Needless to say I hope we, as Albion fans, will be spared the worst aspects of Pulisball. I am hopeful simply because Albion at this point in time is not Stoke of five years ago. 

I don't know what Dan Ashworth wrote in his UK "Football DNA" report, but something has to happen on the coaching level before it can happen on the player level. This will be true as long as British football managers/coaches prefer "tractors" to "Lamborghinis, Ferraris and BMWs".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 27, 2015, 06:57:37 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 27, 2015, 06:36:53 PM
I don't think anybody is anti-Pulis

They are just offering concerns with regards to his abrasive personality and style of football.

I think more or less everybody is in agreement that Pulis was the right man but I don't think we should automatically abandon our concerns with regards to what we'll be watching over the next 12 months or so just because he was the right man at this time.
No one is anti Pulis. Its just a lot of people on here think that he plays awful boring hoofball, buys Freak sized strikers, plays 4 centre backs in defence and makes you wonder if you have turned up at Twickenham rather than the Hawthorns. Apart from that everyone loves him on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 27, 2015, 07:19:21 PM
Quote from: GrGr on January 27, 2015, 06:51:31 PM
Pulis is competent. His Stoke style of football ie "Pulisball" is also a dramatic condemnation of where British football stands at this point in time. What is remarkable is how scarce, not to say non-existent, alternatives to him are at this point in time. Needless to say I hope we, as Albion fans, will be spared the worst aspects of Pulisball. I am hopeful simply because Albion at this point in time is not Stoke of five years ago. 

I don't know what Dan Ashworth wrote in his UK "Football DNA" report, but something has to happen on the coaching level before it can happen on the player level. This will be true as long as British football managers/coaches prefer "tractors" to "Lamborghinis, Ferraris and BMWs".

Spot on, we have to change our coaching of coaches, we are turning out clones who play "effective but unentertaining" football for competing with teams of a similar capability,. Its only the foreign coaches who bring any diversity. Hence rubbish national teams, sterile leagues and lack of opportunities for british managers / head coaches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 27, 2015, 08:01:57 PM
Quote from: charliemike on January 27, 2015, 06:32:42 PM
Is there any point in being ante Tony pulis. The bloke is here and working his socks off to keep us up .let's hope we do stop up . Next season is the time to gripe .

I havn't seen anybody who is anti Pulis. I havnt seen anyone criticise his appointment. I dont think any/many people doubt he is the right man for the job if the job is to keep us up.

Th concerns are about his playing style and what will be subjecting to watching.
Quote from: bry on January 27, 2015, 06:28:34 PM
Not only for the team but to shut the moaners up I'd love to see us sign MaManaman Ba and Fletcher. They moan when were linked with their Pulis stereotype player. I shall cup my hand to my ear and run round the kitchen if we sign players that don't fit the anti Pulis agenda.

Again, nobody is moaning about Pulis, people are raising (in my view at least) extremely valid points about the way he will go about getting results. I havn't seen anyone say 'well Pulis is pooh whats Peace doing, Pulis out!) the points are considered and balanced and backed up and based on pretty much his entire managerial career to date.
Quote from: darbolina on January 27, 2015, 11:26:09 AM

This debate is a bit like looking at architect's plans for a new building and saying what we hope the decor will be like! Let's wait a bit eh? New players in during Jan and the summer should give us a good impression of where the new direction is heading....................hopeully Pulis gives us a solid foundation to build from......

But its a bit like getting someone who who builds the most secure buildings you could get, and then decorates the interior by smearing excrement over the floors and walls. Now some people will say a house is a house, be grateful theres a roof over your head. Others will complain the house smells of pooh. Theres a valid argument each way and its down to your own preference.

The other option is you get someone different in to improve the style in 18 months, but before he can do anything he's going to have to spend a lot of time clearing up what the previous guy left behind. This is why I much preferred our previous model rather than handing Pulis pretty much complete control.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 27, 2015, 08:17:38 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 27, 2015, 08:01:57 PM
I havn't seen anybody who is anti Pulis. I havnt seen anyone criticise his appointment. I dont think any/many people doubt he is the right man for the job if the job is to keep us up.

Th concerns are about his playing style and what will be subjecting to watching.
Again, nobody is moaning about Pulis, people are raising (in my view at least) extremely valid points about the way he will go about getting results. I havn't seen anyone say 'well Pulis is pooh whats Peace doing, Pulis out!) the points are considered and balanced and backed up and based on pretty much his entire managerial career to date.
But its a bit like getting someone who who builds the most secure buildings you could get, and then decorates the interior by smearing excrement over the floors and walls. Now some people will say a house is a house, be grateful theres a roof over your head. Others will complain the house smells of pooh. Theres a valid argument each way and its down to your own preference.

The other option is you get someone different in to improve the style in 18 months, but before he can do anything he's going to have to spend a lot of time clearing up what the previous guy left behind. This is why I much preferred our previous model rather than handing Pulis pretty much complete control.
Yes let's get Mowbray back!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 27, 2015, 08:37:21 PM
On Saturday to the Liqidator de de de de da de de de de da"PULIS OUT ....IN 18 MONTHS". Does that sound absurd or is that just me?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on January 27, 2015, 08:43:21 PM
For the record I am Anti Pulis and I know plenty of others who are. But being pro Albion trumps all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 27, 2015, 08:48:07 PM
Quote from: bry on January 27, 2015, 08:37:21 PM
On Saturday to the Liqidator de de de de da de de de de da"PULIS OUT ....IN 18 MONTHS". Does that sound absurd or is that just me?

Out of interest - why do you seem to have a problem with people that are criticising Tony Pulis?

Many of those that have criticised him have so far produced well balanced arguments whilst at this point in time admitting he is the right man for the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing boing baggies on January 27, 2015, 08:55:30 PM
I am having so many problems with fans wanting Pulis out when we are unbeaten 5 games... and through to the last 16 of the FA cup, plus a bit + we are about to sign Callum McManaman.  What do some people want ?? >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 27, 2015, 08:58:29 PM
Quote from: boing boing baggies on January 27, 2015, 08:55:30 PM
I am having so many problems with fans wanting Pulis out when we are unbeaten 5 games... and through to the last 16 of the FA cup, plus a bit + we are about to sign Callum McManaman.  What do some people want ?? >:(

Who wants Pulis out?

What I want is football I consider watchable. Not even exciting or attacking or full of goals, just 'ok'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 27, 2015, 09:08:32 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 27, 2015, 08:48:07 PM
Out of interest - why do you seem to have a problem with people that are criticising Tony Pulis?

Many of those that have criticised him have so far produced well balanced arguments whilst at this point in time admitting he is the right man for the club.
As I said yesterday “A negative view born of educated guess work seems to be that we will have to support the Albion whilst holding our noses to the stench of boring football Pulis promotes.
We haven’t even stayed up yet, but that with all the other predictions are seemingly inevitable. Pulis even hasn’t bought any players yet, (maybe McManaman – is he the typical Pulis Neanderthal or Southampton esq I don’t know)
Perhaps we should get down the charity shops now to get our bed sheets ready for August so after he keeps us up we can demonstrate “Pulis Out” banners on the opening game of the new season.
Here’s another educated guess after we have sacked Pulis for boring us to survival. We get a progressive attacking manager who gets us to 8th place with sparkling football and a big club comes and takes him and 4 of our best players.
My point is I just don’t see the point of being so negative about something’s that hasn’t even happened yet. At what point should we start booing our monotonous football before or after we have stayed up because if we adopt such a pessimistic view of our clubs future we might as well start booing Pulis at the Spurs game”
Because all of the arguments about Pulis have been educated supposition of what is going to happen in the future porteayed as fact. For instance do you really think Pulis would turn down a player like Demba Ba if Peace sanctioned his signing. "Nah Jeremy go get me someone with a little less skill and more brawn - he doesn't suit my style." Lets worry about what style we might play after the window. I just get the feeling that no matter what, people will complain. I guess you would call me a bleeding heart Liberal that won’t condemn the man until he is found guilty and not before.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 27, 2015, 09:14:34 PM
Lets just give him the chance to get his own players and put his own stamp on the team. The fact is we have a very poor unbalanced squad at the moment. The only way we are going to stay up with the current crop is by becoming hard to beat by becoming more defensive and working harder which won't be pretty. We are not blessed with any flair or pace to play anything remotely attractive at present. Judge him in 12 months time (if he is still here).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2015, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: bry on January 27, 2015, 09:08:32 PM
As I said yesterday “A negative view born of educated guess work seems to be that we will have to support the Albion whilst holding our noses to the stench of boring football Pulis promotes.
We haven’t even stayed up yet, but that with all the other predictions are seemingly inevitable. Pulis even hasn’t bought any players yet, (maybe McManaman – is he the typical Pulis Neanderthal or Southampton esq I don’t know)
Perhaps we should get down the charity shops now to get our bed sheets ready for August so after he keeps us up we can demonstrate “Pulis Out” banners on the opening game of the new season.
Here’s another educated guess after we have sacked Pulis for boring us to survival. We get a progressive attacking manager who gets us to 8th place with sparkling football and a big club comes and takes him and 4 of our best players.
My point is I just don’t see the point of being so negative about something’s that hasn’t even happened yet. At what point should we start booing our monotonous football before or after we have stayed up because if we adopt such a pessimistic view of our clubs future we might as well start booing Pulis at the Spurs game”
Because all of the arguments about Pulis have been educated supposition of what is going to happen in the future porteayed as fact. For instance do you really think Pulis would turn down a player like Demba Ba if Peace sanctioned his signing. "Nah Jeremy go get me someone with a little less skill and more brawn - he doesn't suit my style." Lets worry about what style we might play after the window. I just get the feeling that no matter what, people will complain. I guess you would call me a bleeding heart Liberal that won’t condemn the man until he is found guilty and not before.
Have you read the Alan Irvine thread?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 27, 2015, 09:18:16 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2015, 09:15:04 PM
Have you read the Alan Irvine thread?
I take your point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on January 27, 2015, 09:24:21 PM
judge him when he has .brought players in that he wants...unbeaten so far made us hard to beat with a team that was very open and easy to beat not long ago...no pleasing some
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 27, 2015, 09:24:53 PM
We have been kept in the premiership recently by the skin of our teeth . A manager can only manage with what he has got . Our squad has needed a massive overhaul for quite a while . So let's stay up first and then regroup next year and hopefully we will improve the football .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 27, 2015, 10:25:48 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-west-brom-were-right-8529464?


Spot on report.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on January 27, 2015, 10:38:55 PM
Quote from: Gilsey 56 on January 27, 2015, 10:25:48 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-west-brom-were-right-8529464?


Spot on report.

Southampton
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 27, 2015, 10:46:11 PM
Quote from: dan7heman on January 27, 2015, 10:38:55 PM
Southampton

And you think we would get a manager of Koeman's ilk? I'd be all for it, but people have been shouting from the rooftops we need a domestic coach with Prem experience. Basically that equals TP

We know the players refused to play for Pepe Mel, they took one look at what he wanted during the camp in Spain and clearly spelled it out "Thx, but no thx". So, then we went with Irvine, which meant poor football, more importantly poor losing football. TP is at least proven in this division.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 27, 2015, 10:49:52 PM
Quote from: dan7heman on January 27, 2015, 10:38:55 PM
Southampton

South Coast, ten of millions to spend and earning a pretty penny. I understand Tp is on a fair bit, but i think that's desperation on JP's behalF?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on January 27, 2015, 10:55:41 PM
Quote from: GrGr on January 27, 2015, 10:46:11 PM
And you think we would get a manager of Koeman's ilk? I'd be all for it, but people have been shouting from the rooftops we need a domestic coach with Prem experience. Basically that equals TP

We know the players refused to play for Pepe Mel, they took one look at what he wanted during the camp in Spain and clearly spelled it out "Thx, but no thx". So, then we went with Irvine, which meant poor football, more importantly poor losing football. TP is at least proven in this division.

Before Southampton his managerial record is way worse then Pulis.. He has lived off his name as a player.

Ajax- went backwards
Porto- sacked
PSV- ok scraped the league by 1 goal
AZ - lost 7 of 16 and went
Feyenoord - did 1 year and finished in 2012.

Yes he has done brilliant but the style can be good too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 27, 2015, 11:02:57 PM
Quote from: dan7heman on January 27, 2015, 10:55:41 PM
Before Southampton his managerial record is way worse then Pulis.. He has lived off his name as a player.

Ajax- went backwards
Porto- sacked
PSV- ok scraped the league by 1 goal
AZ - lost 7 of 16 and went
Feyenoord - did 1 year and finished in 2012.

Yes he has done brilliant but the style can be good too.

So basically Southampton got lucky that Koeman was a perfect fit for them. Who knows, Pulis may yet be a perfect fit for us. Hard to tell after five (unbeaten) games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 27, 2015, 11:14:38 PM
Pulis is the best thing to happen to us in ages, he's inherited slow dour footballers, I am sure by the start of next season He will have much of the playing side he wants
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 27, 2015, 11:21:10 PM
I think it shows how well Pulis has already done that our fans are focusing on his style rather than his results, as he has been successful in getting points on the board. He must be doing something right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 28, 2015, 07:01:27 AM
I do remember commenting that it was a cleverly timed appointment. Don't put him in charge of the team before the West Ham game (although as we didn't lose he can now take some credit for), and let him have a run of games that are winnable. Everton was the first real test but we were lucky to meet them at the bottom of the form table and got a point thanks to a missed penalty.  You can only not lose (beat) the teams infront of you and so far we have done that under Pulis.  Spurs could be a challenge on Saturday.  Will we try and attack them or are we looking for a point?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 28, 2015, 08:03:02 AM
Spurs are in for a surprise if they think we are just going to sit back.This will be a different game from the Everton one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 28, 2015, 09:41:44 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 27, 2015, 11:21:10 PM
I think it shows how well Pulis has already done that our fans are focusing on his style rather than his results, as he has been successful in getting points on the board. He must be doing something right.

Spot on.........previously we had no positives..........at least we're beginning to see a pattern of us being hard to break down........green shoots/ positive signs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on January 28, 2015, 12:46:44 PM
Do we have proven players to play an expansive, attractive style of football? I keep seeing the names Blanco, Varela, Gamboa etc...do we actually know that they would do well in the Prem??? Varela did ok in the few games he played to be fair, but did we play up his performances as he was the type of player we wanted in the team?

We havent played decent football for quite a while now, and that may be down to the fact we don't have the players to do so. There are questionmarks over the quality of quite a large number of our squad! Koeman keeps being mentioned, but he had millions to bring in the type of players he wanted to play a decent style...without the likes of Pelle, Tadic, Mane, would they be playing successfull passing football???

Pulis has come in and set us up to be solid...there is absolutely no way he would want us to be as poor on the ball as we were at Everton...but that could be down to the quality of players we have! With a few of his own players in and a bit more pace in the team, I expect to see an improvement in style, whilst still remaining solid!

I also like Foster's interview about him yesterday - it sounds like its been a bit of a holiday camp there for some of them, but that won't be happening any longer!!!

I think people need to give him time - survival is the main aim for this season so he is going to do whatever he feels gives us the best chance to do so...and from what I've seen, I'm far more confident that we will stay up than I did a month ago!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 28, 2015, 12:58:17 PM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on January 27, 2015, 05:27:00 PM
Strangely I've searched but wasn't able to find one forum member who posted the words 'we don't want Pulis', despite you saying there were "plenty" of those comments, just wondering where you had seen them  :-\

Sorry for the delayed reply but I went to see Slipknot last night....

Didn't actually realise you would take the phrase literally and search for it! Perhaps the more generic way of putting it is anti Pulis comments, but please don't search that, I think you know what I mean.

The point has moved on considerably now and I think that the general consensus is that he is the right man for the job, and only time will tell if the appointment is correct. If he has us playing like Crystal Palace last year then I will be a happy man......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 28, 2015, 01:35:43 PM
Exactly guys, I think we all appreciate THIS SEASON he is here to do a job by hook or by crook. NEXT SEASON we will start to be judgemental on HOW we play rather than being results focused this season.

So if he keeps us up, we'll all be happy to judge on results alone but come next season we will look for him to have us playing more expansive football.

 :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 28, 2015, 05:56:05 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 28, 2015, 12:58:17 PM
Sorry for the delayed reply but I went to see Slipknot last night....

Didn't actually realise you would take the phrase literally and search for it! Perhaps the more generic way of putting it is anti Pulis comments, but please don't search that, I think you know what I mean.

The point has moved on considerably now and I think that the general consensus is that he is the right man for the job, and only time will tell if the appointment is correct. If he has us playing like Crystal Palace last year then I will be a happy man......

Firstly, I didn't search anything as I knew NO member had posted the comment 'we don't want Pulis'
Secondly, might be worth giving some thought before posting your opinion as FACT like suggesting posts had been made specifically quoting comments that were never in fact said.
Thirdly, you're right to a degree regarding anti-Pulis comments, however if you read through a lot of them you'll find they are more personal concerns for footballing style as apposed to any real venom against TP (unlike what we had with the previous head coach)
Fourthly, hope you enjoyed Slipknot  :D   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 28, 2015, 06:22:57 PM
Tony f---king pulis!!! Your having a larf.

Quote from 30/12/14 - a bit extreme and to be fair it does not use the term 'we don't want Pulis', but I get the impression he is not too enamoured.

Nothing was posted as fact, I read the postings and got the anti Pulis vibe loud and clear. It is now clearly apparent that some fans quite rightly have reservations about his perceived style - I get that and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Only time will tell and it is now good to see that everyone is absolutely behind his revolution.   

Slipknot were excellent thanks  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 28, 2015, 09:50:47 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on January 28, 2015, 08:03:02 AM
Spurs are in for a surprise if they think we are just going to sit back.This will be a different game from the Everton one.
I really hope your right it will be very interesting tactically to see what he does,everton away you could predict beforehand,but most people would take a point v spurs so the tactics might be the same
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 28, 2015, 10:10:29 PM
I do not think we will go 2-0 up V QPR and feck up with TP in charge.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 28, 2015, 10:16:14 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 28, 2015, 06:22:57 PM
Tony f---king pulis!!! Your having a larf.

Quote from 30/12/14 - a bit extreme and to be fair it does not use the term 'we don't want Pulis', but I get the impression he is not too enamoured.

Nothing was posted as fact, I read the postings and got the anti Pulis vibe loud and clear. It is now clearly apparent that some fans quite rightly have reservations about his perceived style - I get that and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Only time will and it is now good to see that everyone is absolutely behind his revolution.   

Slipknot were excellent thanks  ;)

This is what swung Tony Pulis’s appointment for me and helped me not to worry about how his teams played football in the past. It also gets me angry when I hear people who have this stereotype of him. I think people might change their minds a little after hearing this from a radio interview with Phil Neville on 5 live on Friday the second of Jan 2015. The link is below I’ve transcribed some of it here:
“I’ve spent a lot of time with Ton Pulis in and since Brazil and on a couple of trips to the middle east and out of all of the managers I have ever met he is the one who has impressed me more than many and I have met all the top ones, he’s the one where you have a pre conceived idea and when you actually meet him he is a top, top manager” ………………
Start it around 55minutes 35 seconds into the Mark Chapman preview
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04vkbmz#auto
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 29, 2015, 10:24:11 AM
Stoke fans views if anyone is interested. Probably pretty similar to ours in the main.

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/239983/pulis-bring?page=1&scrollTo=4577373

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 29, 2015, 12:26:35 PM
I think sometimes when people are against the appointment of Tony Pulis what they are really doing is lamenting the current state of football which means that West Brom will never again be a major team at the top of the EPL and apart from a very occasional season play sparkling free flowing football (as if that ever happens the manager, best players or both are poached by the big boys perpetuating the situation). Ironically the only way we might see some free flowing “good football” at the Albion is if we are relegated. If Bournemouth are promoted will they continue to play “good football” and stay up without massive investment?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 29, 2015, 12:28:16 PM
Quote from: bry on January 29, 2015, 12:26:35 PM
I think sometimes when people are against the appointment of Tony Pulis what they are really doing is lamenting the current state of football which means that West Brom will never again be a major team at the top of the EPL and apart from a very occasional season play sparkling free flowing football (as if that ever happens the manager, best players or both are poached by the big boys perpetuating the situation). Ironically the only way we might see some free flowing “good football” at the Albion is if we are relegated. If Bournemouth are promoted will they continue to play “good football” and stay up without massive investment?

there is a world of difference between "concern at TP's tactics" and "Against his appointment"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 29, 2015, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 29, 2015, 12:28:16 PM
there is a world of difference between "concern at TP's tactics" and "Against his appointment"

I'm sure there's someone somewhere but I'm still yet to see anyone come out and say they are against his appointment.

I do also think there's 2 slightly different debates. Free flowing football is considered a good style and one I prefer but even a slight variation of Pulisball can be good to watch. There's many different ways to be entertaining but I would say any of them would fall under what we have seen so far. I also think there's no reason you cant stay up and indeed prosper playing decent football. In fact the ones that tend to progress tend to play a slightly more attacking style whilst at best ones who seem to be more defensive might stick around for a season or 2 but at some point get sucked back down. Ironically Pulis is probably the most obvious example of someone who managed to survive so long without getting dragged back down but then his ability to keep us up has not been questioned.

If they come up I think with a couple of additions Bournemouth will go quite well next season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 29, 2015, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on January 27, 2015, 11:14:38 PM
Pulis is the best thing to happen to us in ages, he's inherited slow dour footballers, I am sure by the start of next season He will have much of the playing side he wants

Agree with Pulis being the best thing to happen to us in ages.

he is also the BEST thing that's ever happened to Stoke. they should be more grateful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swabey on January 29, 2015, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on January 29, 2015, 04:33:27 PM
Agree with Pulis being the best thing to happen to us in ages.

he is also the BEST thing that's ever happened to Stoke. they should be more grateful.

We at least had him for a couple of years before he divided the support down the middle.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2015, 07:24:17 PM
I totally agree that Pulis is the best thing to happen to us in ages, everybody at the club have had it far to easy for too long.All i ask for from a footballer is 100% and we now know we are going to get that, i hope they ache all over :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on January 29, 2015, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 29, 2015, 10:24:11 AM
Stoke fans views if anyone is interested. Probably pretty similar to ours in the main.

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/239983/pulis-bring?page=1&scrollTo=4577373

They really are split 50/50 on that board. Some absolutely love him and some can't stand him in terms of the football he played.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swabey on January 30, 2015, 07:14:56 PM
Another thing you need to be aware of if its not already been mentioned is his love for certain players.

It's so frustrating that however badly they play you just know they will keep their place week in week out. Someone may come on for half an hour or so and have a blinder however come the next game it'll be the same old faces, ie Walters, Shotton, Wilson. Cresswell etc etc.

There were a few splits in the dressing room as fringe players knew that however well they played they would be out again next game.

TP can be such an infuriatingly stubborn person at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 30, 2015, 07:32:19 PM
In fairness we aren't Stoke when he took them up and established them and we aren't Palace when he went and saved them from dire trouble . I do expect us to become rigid but let's just give TP time before we judge him and how he sets us up . Of course his first job is to keep us up whichever way he can , if he does that it will be very interesting to see which way he goes .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 30, 2015, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: swabey on January 30, 2015, 07:14:56 PM
Another thing you need to be aware of if its not already been mentioned is his love for certain players.

It's so frustrating that however badly they play you just know they will keep their place week in week out. Someone may come on for half an hour or so and have a blinder however come the next game it'll be the same old faces, ie Walters, Shotton, Wilson. Cresswell etc etc.

There were a few splits in the dressing room as fringe players knew that however well they played they would be out again next game.

TP can be such an infuriatingly stubborn person at times.

Sounds like Brunt will be around for a while then. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 30, 2015, 08:41:21 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 30, 2015, 07:43:07 PM
Sounds like Brunt will be around for a while then. :D
No it sounds like he will expect players to perform.
I think Brunt will have to or out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 04:25:20 PM
I think Pulis will keep us up, but I genuinely preferred Irvine. Bad manager but at least he was a nice guy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 31, 2015, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 04:25:20 PM
I think Pulis will keep us up, but I genuinely preferred Irvine. Bad manager but at least he was a nice guy.

Nice guys finish last :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 31, 2015, 04:29:05 PM
Didn't Irvine get us a win at Spurs? Not happy with today at all. Lescott at left back? Deary me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 31, 2015, 04:30:09 PM
i dont like the 442 formation at all, doesn't suit us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on January 31, 2015, 05:19:16 PM
Bad day at the office for Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 31, 2015, 05:55:03 PM
I'm fed up of hearing how we need players, we need full backs, we need pace, we need wingers, we need creativity

We could of started today

                       Foster

Gamboa  mccauley.    Lescott.   Pocognoli

               Yacob.        Morrison (Mulumbu)

Mcmanaman.      Sessegnon.       Varela

                       Berahino

Instead we got 4 centre backs, no creativity, no pace, no variety. I think most of us would pick a formation/team not to far away from the one above if given the chance. I also think that team stays up comfortably if managed correctly.

Especially in home games Berahino needs to start up top on his own. His main attribute is getting in behind defences and his finishing. Id argue without that he doesn't actually bring to much more to the team. With Anichebe playing he pushes the defences back so deep Berahino doesn't have the room to make those runs and isn't nearly as effective.

We've only got 2 match winners in the entire squad in Berahino and Sessegnon. One cant get in the team any more and the other one is being sacrificed so we can boot it up to the big man. Pulis can argue all he wants he can only work with what he's got and he needs players but theres no excuse for the team he put out today, or the way he set them up.

Its a lazy comparison but this board would be in meltdown if we saw that selection from Irvine

     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 31, 2015, 05:55:03 PM
I'm fed up of hearing how we need players, we need full backs, we need pace, we need wingers, we need creativity

We could of started today

                       Foster

Gamboa  mccauley.    Lescott.   Pocognoli

               Yacob.        Morrison (Mulumbu)

Mcmanaman.      Sessegnon.       Varela

                       Berahino

Instead we got 4 centre backs, no creativity, no pace, no variety. I think most of us would pick a formation/team not to far away from the one above if given the chance. I also think that team stays up comfortably if managed correctly.

Especially in home games Berahino needs to start up top on his own. His main attribute is getting in behind defences and his finishing. Id argue without that he doesn't actually bring to much more to the team. With Anichebe playing he pushes the defences back so deep Berahino doesn't have the room to make those runs and isn't nearly as effective.

We've only got 2 match winners in the entire squad in Berahino and Sessegnon. One cant get in the team any more and the other one is being sacrificed so we can boot it up to the big man. Pulis can argue all he wants he can only work with what he's got and he needs players but theres no excuse for the team he put out today, or the way he set them up.

Its a lazy comparison but this board would be in meltdown if we saw that selection from Irvine

     
Another good post Astle1968. *Awaits response of "you don't seem them in training... blah blah blah"*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 31, 2015, 06:05:51 PM
Peace needs to back him now with the players he feels we need to do well. Pulis was last season's manager of the year, he will do a good job when given the tools to succeed. The only issue I have is the left back situation, don't understand why Lescott is chosen over Pocognoli or Baird. There's too many players here that have underperformed for a while now, the midfield area especially needs to be improved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 31, 2015, 06:06:57 PM
I buy the 'dont see them in training' argument to a point.

However, Pulis didnt bother to watch Varela or Blanco before sending them packing. They may well not have been good enough but his mind was made up before he had seen them play. If we had kept Kiely and Downing you could make a case for Pulis taking their advice on them but with them gone theres no explanation for them both being gone straight away.

I don't need to see them in training to know Lescott at left back is a terrible idea
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 31, 2015, 06:07:33 PM
Totally agree with Astle1968's posts.

Pulis can talk about this side being unbalanced but you're not helping when you persist with Lescott at left back whilst leaving a perfectly competent left back on the bench.

No doubt the board will bend over backwards for him in the next couple of days too. This squad if managed appropriately might be good enough to survive, however, we won't win games if he continues to have us defending our penalty box until we inevitably fall behind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 31, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
Lets just say we sign Taylor for £4m. Are Mcmanaman and Taylor a £9m upgrade on Poco and Varela?

Considering this is 'toughest job' and he needs an instant impact I'd argue not, and neither significantly increase or decrease or chances of survival and certainly not to the tune of £9m
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 06:33:08 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 31, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
Lets just say we sign Taylor for £4m. Are Mcmanaman and Taylor a £9m upgrade on Poco and Varela?

Considering this is 'toughest job' and he needs an instant impact I'd argue not, and neither significantly increase or decrease or chances of survival and certainly not to the tune of £9m
I'd say if anything that's a downgrade. That's what you get when you put Pulis in charge of funds though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 31, 2015, 06:36:14 PM
The side-lining of Poco is a hard one to work out. He's no shrinking violet and thought he would be Pulis' type. I don't think Pulis is anti-foreign just anti untried foreign.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on January 31, 2015, 06:41:42 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 31, 2015, 06:06:57 PM
I buy the 'dont see them in training' argument to a point.

However, Pulis didnt bother to watch Varela or Blanco before sending them packing. They may well not have been good enough but his mind was made up before he had seen them play. If we had kept Kiely and Downing you could make a case for Pulis taking their advice on them but with them gone theres no explanation for them both being gone straight away.

I don't need to see them in training to know Lescott at left back is a terrible idea

We are all baffled by this illogical selection at left back so I can only conclude this is a " I'm in charge here, I pick who I want and I've got the biggest balls" statement that TP is making to everyone at the club. Crass and undoubtedly contributed to our defeat today.
I have very little hope that new faces will arrive in the next 48 hours and even less hope that some of old guard midfielders will be moved on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 31, 2015, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 31, 2015, 05:55:03 PM
I'm fed up of hearing how we need players, we need full backs, we need pace, we need wingers, we need creativity

We could of started today

                       Foster

Gamboa  mccauley.    Lescott.   Pocognoli

               Yacob.        Morrison (Mulumbu)

Mcmanaman.      Sessegnon.       Varela

                       Berahino

Instead we got 4 centre backs, no creativity, no pace, no variety. I think most of us would pick a formation/team not to far away from the one above if given the chance. I also think that team stays up comfortably if managed correctly.

Especially in home games Berahino needs to start up top on his own. His main attribute is getting in behind defences and his finishing. Id argue without that he doesn't actually bring to much more to the team. With Anichebe playing he pushes the defences back so deep Berahino doesn't have the room to make those runs and isn't nearly as effective.

We've only got 2 match winners in the entire squad in Berahino and Sessegnon. One cant get in the team any more and the other one is being sacrificed so we can boot it up to the big man. Pulis can argue all he wants he can only work with what he's got and he needs players but theres no excuse for the team he put out today, or the way he set them up.

Its a lazy comparison but this board would be in meltdown if we saw that selection from Irvine

     

Couldn't agree more. Strength, solid midfield, width and a bit of pace.

That potential team is why I'm so frustrated at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 31, 2015, 06:50:48 PM
i wouldnt trust tp at all with money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yamaka on January 31, 2015, 08:37:19 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 06:38:53 PM
I agree, and yet Pocognoli has been very decent for us when he's played (certainly much better than Lescott at left-back). I think we just need to face the fact that Pulis is a xenophobic moron

Ok I hear what you are saying and believe me I share your frustration. I have another theory I just want to put out there since I think this issue might go back a couple of gaffers.

I am still struck by TP's comment about unity. What if Johnny Foreigner isn't overly welcome in the dressing room? All this talk from players "welcoming competition" - surely rivals can be dealt with in many different ways?

My point is that we do not know what goes on behind closed doors and perhaps in ways it's best we don't but coaches/managers surely have to deal with all sorts of internal politics that affect the kinds of teams they can field. It takes time and money to change a culture and sometimes it pays to be pragmatic even if you have to take flack. The money's good  ;)

Either that or an even deeper theory about a conspiracy involving media moguls and the FA with the assistance of match officials keeping the club as a whipping boy for the top clubs and thereby protecting a multinational franchise  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 31, 2015, 08:37:51 PM
It isn't going to be pretty , it won't appeal to some but we have to keep in mind TP is trying to straighten up a club that's been slowly sinking for nearly three seasons now with some pretty bad habits . He needs time and full backing from everyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 31, 2015, 08:43:59 PM
Quote from: Dexy on January 31, 2015, 08:37:51 PM
It isn't going to be pretty , it won't appeal to some but we have to keep in mind TP is trying to straighten up a club that's been slowly sinking for nearly three seasons now with some pretty bad habits . He needs time and full backing from everyone.

I'm sure people are prepared to give him time and backing but he'll be testing patience early doors if we persist with players out of position. Most notably our best centre half at left back.

I just want to see Albion give it a good go but I don't think I've seen that from a Pulis team so far which is what will annoy many.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 31, 2015, 08:46:39 PM
Very disappointed with his team selection today.

It wouldn't take a 1.5 million plus salary to know that defence was simply wrong. And he wonders why we looked unbalanced

I give up with statements like that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 31, 2015, 08:49:24 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 31, 2015, 08:43:59 PM
I'm sure people are prepared to give him time and backing but he'll be testing patience early doors if we persist with players out of position. Most notably our best centre half at left back.

I just want to see Albion give it a good go but I don't think I've seen that from a Pulis team so far which is what will annoy many.
Agree Lescott at LB is shocking , I'm praying we see something more natural after the window shuts .The irony is i would have thought Poco would be his type , I'm sure he will get it right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on January 31, 2015, 09:10:09 PM
Holy Christ, what have we gone and done ?
I thought i knew what to expect with Mr Pulis, and welcomed his arrival, but if todays tactics are any indication of our future path,  how in the hell are we going to retain our sanity ?
Being honest, tonight... i am more worried now than i was in the last few days under AI.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brianjohn on January 31, 2015, 09:17:40 PM
I guess some players had to be cut from the squad in order to make room for the replacements TP is going to bring in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on January 31, 2015, 09:29:50 PM
See below a transcript of the questions Welsh journalists put to Cardiff Manager Russell Slade after Cardiff's latest defeat today. I wish our journos would stop pussy footing with Albion managers (past and present) and grill them with questions our supporters need answers to:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/russell-slade-transcript-cardiff-city-8556268
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 31, 2015, 09:40:35 PM
I cannot get round his thinking, playing lescott at left back where he looks shocking and yet have two left backs on the subs bench. baird didn't deserve to dropped.
why 2 left backs  on the bench.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 31, 2015, 09:44:42 PM
I'm not sure if he has genuinely lost the plot or his he trying to force JP's hand by playing Lescott at left back?
Lescott looked uncomfortable last week end he looked even more so this afternoon, if we can see that why can't Pulls?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 31, 2015, 09:57:22 PM
There is nothing thus far that was not entirely predictable from the rigid 4-4-2 to Lescott as makeshift LB. We don't have the players for Pulisball although with a couple of additions we will be closer to having a squad which can work to the system. However it is going to look at the very least disjointed until the summer when the squad gets the full Pulis treatment.

I would not expect much to change it might get more effective because we have players better suited to the style but the style won't change. I found today depressing and predictable in equal measure.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 31, 2015, 10:01:15 PM
Pulis is not Corberan we have been waiting for.
He has to stop the "parking of the bus and wait for the counter attack" idea against the top ten teams.
It was proved, today that this doesn't always work.
He has to accept, that at times "attack is the best form of defence".
Again, it wasn't until we were chasing the game, that the attacking option was employed.
When we started going forward we created problems for their defence.
We and Pulis must seize on this and carry it forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: royhan on January 31, 2015, 09:29:50 PM
See below a transcript of the questions Welsh journalists put to Cardiff Manager Russell Slade after Cardiff's latest defeat today. I wish our journos would stop pussy footing with Albion managers (past and present) and grill them with questions our supporters need answers to:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/russell-slade-transcript-cardiff-city-8556268
Massively agree with this. Great questions, and it's supposed to be Steve Madeley and Bill Howell's jobs to ask the kinds of questions the fans want answering, but it never happens. They're probably too scared.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 31, 2015, 10:30:15 PM
Pulis isn't perfect, he's not a miracle worker and today he got it wrong with the line-up and tactics. However, I also think he should be judged properly a few weeks after the window shuts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on February 01, 2015, 08:34:55 AM
It's all well and good employing a 'park the bus' mentality away from home, but what about when you have to try and win your home games?

I agree to an extent that TP has been dealt a poor hand but that certainly shouldn't stop us having a go.

I think we should count our lucky stars that we somehow managed to beat Villa and Hull as really both of those games ought to have finished 0-0.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 01, 2015, 10:28:39 AM
The difficulty for me is that he saw that it didn't work very well against a Championship side in the cup so he decides to give it a go in the Premier League against a top ten side.  If it is his idea of making a point that he needs new signings then I'd sack him for gross misconduct. If, as I suspect,  it is the way he sees as the best way of moving forward then I am equally concerned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2015, 10:35:52 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 01, 2015, 10:28:39 AM
The difficulty for me is that he saw that it didn't work very well against a Championship side in the cup so he decides to give it a go in the Premier League against a top ten side.  If it is his idea of making a point that he needs new signings then I'd sack him for gross misconduct. If, as I suspect,  it is the way he sees as the best way of moving forward then I am equally concerned.

If we don't get the right new signings tomorrow then we are stuffed because I don't think he's going to be able to do a Palace with the hand he's been dealt.

I don't think it will happen but my guess is that he would ideally want 6 or 7 out tomorrow, namely Dorrans, Ideye, Pocognoli, Sessignon, Brunt, Morrison and Gardner (plus Samares of course).   Those that survive tomorrow will be gone in the summer,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 01, 2015, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 01, 2015, 10:28:39 AM
The difficulty for me is that he saw that it didn't work very well against a Championship side in the cup so he decides to give it a go in the Premier League against a top ten side.  If it is his idea of making a point that he needs new signings then I'd sack him for gross misconduct. If, as I suspect,  it is the way he sees as the best way of moving forward then I am equally concerned.

Agreed. If he was making a point through team selection that that is thoroughly unprofessional.  I think he must have been as there are two better players available in that position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2015, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 01, 2015, 10:35:52 AM
If we don't get the right new signings tomorrow then we are stuffed because I don't think he's going to be able to do a Palace with the hand he's been dealt.

I don't think it will happen but my guess is that he would ideally want 6 or 7 out tomorrow, namely Dorrans, Ideye, Pocognoli, Sessignon, Brunt, Morrison and Gardner (plus Samares of course).   Those that survive tomorrow will be gone in the summer,

Oh and I forgot Gamboa.  Easily done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 01, 2015, 10:45:11 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 01, 2015, 10:35:52 AM
If we don't get the right new signings tomorrow then we are stuffed because I don't think he's going to be able to do a Palace with the hand he's been dealt.

I don't think it will happen but my guess is that he would ideally want 6 or 7 out tomorrow, namely Dorrans, Ideye, Pocognoli, Sessignon, Brunt, Morrison and Gardner (plus Samares of course).   Those that survive tomorrow will be gone in the summer,
The players we had would have been good enough to keep us up under Irvine and should be good enough to keep us up under Pulis. It will not be easy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 01, 2015, 11:07:36 AM
There is no way we are going to turnover half the squad in the next 48 hours. If Pulis is still here in the summer I would anticipate quite a bit of activity but tomorrow I think he will have to make do with 2 or at most 3 additions.

The hand he has been dealt is no worse than Mel's Irvine's or Clarke's but he seems to be making the same mistake of trying to shoehorn the players he has into a fixed system rather than the way Hodgson approached it which was to look at the strengths of the players we have got and go from there.

The squad was not assembled to play Pulisball but I am sure given time he will get the players he wants and results will improve in the interim it is going to be lots more stuttering performances and on the face of it strange team selections.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on February 01, 2015, 11:13:38 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 01, 2015, 10:35:52 AM
If we don't get the right new signings tomorrow then we are stuffed because I don't think he's going to be able to do a Palace with the hand he's been dealt.

I don't think it will happen but my guess is that he would ideally want 6 or 7 out tomorrow, namely Dorrans, Ideye, Pocognoli, Sessignon, Brunt, Morrison and Gardner (plus Samares of course).   Those that survive tomorrow will be gone in the summer,

I think that's a little OTT, I don't think he'll be looking to be rid of Brunt, Morrison and Gardner. I think what he wants is new first teamers with those 3 being bit part players and subs. I wouldn't be surprised to see Dorrans, Ideye and Poco go but that'll only be if we sign players that play in those positions.

Maybe Sess was carrying a knock, he's started some games under Pulis and he's a decent option I'd be surprised if he goes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on February 01, 2015, 07:54:51 PM
if I was peace I wouldn't trust him in the transfer market,are we going to bring in a better full back than poco,or a better winger than sess,off course not and this joker wont play them,lescott at fullback after brum game is a disgraceful decision,he is our best centre half
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on February 01, 2015, 10:21:16 PM
Are we being spooked by the shocker against Spurs, or do i detect the first minor rumblings of discontent on here?
We all know he needs time, but if this is how Pulis intends to go, this is going to be damn hard to get used to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 01, 2015, 10:24:16 PM
I've seen this mentioned briefly but these comments from Pulis are amazing

West Brom boss Tony Pulis took "some responsibility" for the 3-0 defeat by Tottenham, saying he was distracted by the closure of the transfer window
A Christian Eriksen free-kick and Harry Kane's double gave Spurs victory against a lacklustre Baggies side.
Pulis said he had been "working really hard" to try and bring players in ahead of Monday's transfer deadline.
"I have to look at myself and say 'have I given it as much as I could have given it this week?'" he added.
"Or have there been other things that have pulled me away from the most important thing - getting the players prepared for a game on Saturday?"
Defeat was West Brom's first in five matches under Pulis and he acknowledged he was "part of what happened".

If thats true and he's not just providing a soundbite its verging on gross negligence. I've said before I don't want Pulis in charge of bringing players in, partly because his record is poor and partly because I like to model we had in place. Obviously the results the last 2 years have been woeful in terms of player recruitment but I still think it's a case of right model wrong personel.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2015, 10:56:15 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on February 01, 2015, 07:54:51 PM
if I was peace I wouldn't trust him in the transfer market,are we going to bring in a better full back than poco,or a better winger than sess,off course not and this joker wont play them,lescott at fullback after brum game is a disgraceful decision,he is our best centre half
according to the mirror lescott wants talks with pulis about playing at lb. he doesn't like it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on February 01, 2015, 11:03:43 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on February 01, 2015, 10:21:16 PM
Are we being spooked by the shocker against Spurs, or do i detect the first minor rumblings of discontent on here?
We all know he needs time, but if this is how Pulis intends to go, this is going to be damn hard to get used to.

We all know Pulis needs time. However there are mistakes and then there are mistakes. Playing Lescott at left back is just mind boggling really and a lot of fans heads imploded over that one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on February 01, 2015, 11:05:49 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 01, 2015, 10:56:15 PM
according to the mirror lescott wants talks with pulis about playing at lb. he doesn't like it.
Second player gone public about being unhappy with Pulis' methods. Interesting.

Shows just how ridiculous the situation is that not only we can see he should be in the centre, but so does he. Pulis needs to bite the bullet and accept that, just because Pocognoli is foreign, doesn't mean he's not a good defender.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Strodder on February 01, 2015, 11:37:02 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on February 01, 2015, 11:05:49 PM
Second player gone public about being unhappy with Pulis' methods. Interesting.

Shows just how ridiculous the situation is that not only we can see he should be in the centre, but so does he. Pulis needs to bite the bullet and accept that, just because Pocognoli is foreign, doesn't mean he's not a good defender.

I think this highlighting a couple of problems at the club. Firstly players need to do what the head coach tells them to. Prior to Pulis, fans were crying out a strong leader to "sort out" the players and give them a kick up the backside. Well, maybe he is so we can't  can't complain if the players don't like it. There will be some fall out along the way with Pulis  no doubt. Secondly we cannot continue to have players grumbling in public anymore it's unprofessional and damaging. This is not to say I can understand Lescott at LB, it is very odd and the only reason I can think if is that it is a way of getting some more height in the team but even so...maybe he wanted to see Dawson in the league??? Anyone?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2015, 11:39:53 PM
Think I fancy a tenner on Pulis as next Manager to leave a Premier League side.

If we have a disastrous window tomorrow then he will resign IMO
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2015, 11:42:58 PM
Quote from: Strodder on February 01, 2015, 11:37:02 PM
I think this highlighting a couple of problems at the club. Firstly players need to do what the head coach tells them to. Prior to Pulis, fans were crying out a strong leader to "sort out" the players and give them a kick up the backside. Well, maybe he is so we can't  can't complain if the players don't like it. There will be some fall out along the way with Pulis  no doubt. Secondly we cannot continue to have players grumbling in public anymore it's unprofessional and damaging. This is not to say I can understand Lescott at LB, it is very odd and the only reason I can think if is that it is a way of getting some more height in the team but even so...maybe he wanted to see Dawson in the league??? Anyone?


I think Poc is going to be sold tomorrow and TP didn't want that jeopardised by injury on Saturday, and so Lescott at left back was the most obvious stop-gap (although I'd have opted for Baird but I think he's quite possibly going to be sold tomorrow as well!).

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 01, 2015, 11:47:16 PM
As I have previously said...He is not Corberan.
He has to learn as well.
We need someone in the mould of Hodgeson, who comes in...sees what we have and changes it to suit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on February 02, 2015, 07:22:42 AM
seems bizarre to have an international full back sat on the bench whilst playing baird there. even more shocking is playing your best centre half there infront of both of them. shocking decision.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on February 02, 2015, 08:09:46 AM
Strange thing is the back four didn't need tampering with at all, Wisdom, McAuley, Lescott, Pocognoli are nearly as good as any back four in the league.  Back four subs speak for themselves

Strength and pace in the midfield is what's needed most, one of the fastest men in the club is sat on the bench or left out altogether is a right midfielder and right sided defender...Gamboa. 

With Yacob playing just in front of the back four breaking up play and making his usual short passes to link up play to Gamboa (right side) and Varela left side with Samaras playing just behind the pace of Ideye and Berahino as strikers.

I feel this would give us goal scorers in abundance and we would not be in the mess we are now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 02, 2015, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Baggies54 on February 02, 2015, 08:09:46 AM
Strange thing is the back four didn't need tampering with at all, Wisdom, McAuley, Lescott, Pocognoli are nearly as good as any back four in the league.  Back four subs speak for themselves

Strength and pace in the midfield is what's needed most, one of the fastest men in the club is sat on the bench or left out altogether is a right midfielder and right sided defender...Gamboa. 

With Yacob playing just in front of the back four breaking up play and making his usual short passes to link up play to Gamboa (right side) and Varela left side with Samaras playing just behind the pace of Ideye and Berahino as strikers.

I feel this would give us goal scorers in abundance and we would not be in the mess we are now.

When you mentioned Samras was when your argument lost ccredibility for me.
The bloke looked uninterested and devoid of commitment, another one of our shambolic recruitment policy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 02, 2015, 09:22:28 AM
Quote from: BB74 on February 01, 2015, 11:39:53 PM
Think I fancy a tenner on Pulis as next Manager to leave a Premier League side.

If we have a disastrous window tomorrow then he will resign IMO
His credibility would be destroyed if he did and rightly so. Everyone in football knows how we operate with regard to transfers so it will not be a shock to him. He has made noises about it being his most difficult transfer window but I think this is just something to fall back on should he fail to keep us up.
He has had a great start, but got it completely wrong against Spurs, who, let's face it are more than capable of beating us if we put out a decent team and get a decent performance (we did neither on Saturday). He has accepted 'partial' responsibility for the manner of the defeat and admitted he has been distracted by the window.
I think we will see a few ins and outs today and then tomorrow morning the survival effort will start in earnest with everyone who's left fully focussed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 02, 2015, 09:24:36 AM
Not going to knock pulis or anything he as done yet, he us our head coach and we have got to get behind, but i said to my mates at the game on Saturday that it just doesn't look right seeing pulis in our dug out wearing all the Albion gear, can't explain why,just it doesn't look right!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
Most likely throwing not only his toys but his cap too this time tomorrow
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on February 02, 2015, 09:30:13 AM
TP is not going anywhere. If he throws his toys out of the pram again, he would be unemployable. He realised the Lescott move was a disaster and is covering his mistake by blaming lack of focus on the transfer window.

We are bound to loose some games, there are three poorer teams then us in this league, we should stop moaning and start Supporting....or have we forgotten how to do that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2015, 09:32:20 AM
Quote from: robnewbold on February 02, 2015, 09:30:13 AM
TP is not going anywhere. If he throws his toys out of the pram again, he would be unemployable. He realised the Lescott move was a disaster and is covering his mistake by blaming lack of focus on the transfer window.

We are bound to loose some games, there are three poorer teams then us in this league, we should stop moaning and start Supporting....or have we forgotten how to do that?


I didnt say hes going anywhere, just a frosty relationship with JP for a while
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 02, 2015, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: robnewbold on February 02, 2015, 09:30:13 AM
TP is not going anywhere. If he throws his toys out of the pram again, he would be unemployable. He realised the Lescott move was a disaster and is covering his mistake by blaming lack of focus on the transfer window.

We are bound to loose some games, there are three poorer teams then us in this league, we should stop moaning and start Supporting....or have we forgotten how to do that?

It's a two way street.
Give us something to support!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2015, 09:35:50 AM
and they certainly didnt give us that on the field of play Saturday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on February 02, 2015, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 02, 2015, 08:40:12 AM
When you mentioned Samras was when your argument lost ccredibility for me.
The bloke looked uninterested and devoid of commitment, another one of our shambolic recruitment policy.

Samaras' last two games he was quite good only twice lost the ball tracked back and won it back again, he was astute enough to see Berahino was offside and played the through ball for Brunt to run onto, yes. I know it was only Gateshead but the pass had to be made.  He has good ball retention and can pick passes far better than Brunty, Morrison or Gardner and don't even start me on Dorrans( :( ).

Samaras is only my personal opinion it could have been Blanco or someone else if they won their chance to do it.

When Pulis availed himself at half time in the West Ham match I thought he had something I liked but then he rips the team to pieces my opinion is he is a control freak and will really mess the Baggies up for the next man who takes the reins.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 02, 2015, 12:58:11 PM
To those saying Pulis would be unemployable if he walked out. You are forgetting that this is the mad and crazy world of planet football.

He would probably walk into a new job by the end of the week, if he were not to be placed on 'gardening leave' following his resignation being rejected by Jeremy Peace. Unless of course there was a healthy wedge of compensation from any prospective future employer to ease his departure.

Rightly or wrongly he is a very employable manager with a reputation for getting the job done by hook or by crook.
I would imagine there would be chairmen tripping over themselves to employ him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 02, 2015, 01:01:46 PM
51/1 for Pulis as next Manager to go.

Time to put a fiver on.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 02, 2015, 01:16:18 PM
Odds have dropped to 40/1 with several bookies now.
 ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 02, 2015, 01:23:32 PM
He'll be at Hull sooner than we think (IMO).

Why do I say that?
1. start with the premis that JP is a fan as much as a bean counter and has been watching the preformances
2. TP came in on the basis that he wants FULL responsibility for all things "football" including player recruitment.

JP would not have relinquished this control easily, now in his first window, he is admitting to getting distracted and taking his eye off the prime target, ie Winning points.  Now if I was JP the fan and bean-counter, I would be questioning a few things
a) Getting rid of players without assessing them (as bad as buying from videos??)
b) Playing best player out of position
c) leaving 2 specialists on bench when "accommodating" said best player out of position
d) upsetting best (& most highly paid) player to extent he goes public on his concerns
e) moving left back to bench following 2 clean sheets.
f) playing best forward player and clubs most valuable asset out of position
g) playing a loanee when an international is either on bench or left out completely.
h) leaving only flair player out when side is not creating any semblence of a creativity in front of goal
i) Continuing to play a clearly out of form captain.

Now maybe Poc, Gamboa are injured and Wisdom is contractually required to play if fit. If so TP can easily explain those issues, the rest,  I would expect JP to be "mildly interested in" and I doubt TP will be best pleased to be questioned over... Hence a major blow up is imminent in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 02, 2015, 04:45:54 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 02, 2015, 09:34:38 AM
It's a two way street.
Give us something to support!

Like a cup run and five games unbeaten before losing to a top six team who have spent a fortune assembling their team?

This knee jerk reaction to one defeat is absolutely pathetic. Time to judge is at the end of the season and even then it's all about results, not performances.

As for the moans about Lescott at left back, did he not win a title playing there for Manchester City? All of this because fans' favourite Pocognoli who jumps into tackles and beats his chest on the pitch has been dropped, despite not actually being that good. Paul Robinson all over again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 02, 2015, 07:01:45 PM
If your content to watch what we've been served every game since the turn of the year then please carry on.
Have you seen anything in those games to get you off your seat.
We went to Everton and parked the bus, we can't do that every week.
On Saturday after the initial 10 minutes we proved we could compete for the next 20, then couldn't be arsed after that.
I know its easy to support a winning team but we've been fed less than mediocrity now for too long.
Lescott may have been a left back but a blind man on a galloping horse could see he can't play there now.
He's not got the mobility, and that was plain for all to see against Birmingham and to play him there against Spurs shows utter disrespect to a quality player in my mind.
Poco may not be everyone cup of tea but he's the best left back we've got at the club so should be played there.
If he's not going to play Poco he should be putting Brunt in there and play Sess in front
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on February 02, 2015, 07:30:06 PM
cant wait until he leaves at the end of the season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on February 02, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 02, 2015, 04:45:54 PM
Like a cup run and five games unbeaten before losing to a top six team who have spent a fortune assembling their team?

This knee jerk reaction to one defeat is absolutely pathetic. Time to judge is at the end of the season and even then it's all about results, not performances.

As for the moans about Lescott at left back, did he not win a title playing there for Manchester City? All of this because fans' favourite Pocognoli who jumps into tackles and beats his chest on the pitch has been dropped, despite not actually being that good. Paul Robinson all over again.
I can only assume you haven't watched the last 2 games with lescott at leftback,even he has said he is not comfortable there
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 02, 2015, 09:09:58 PM
Lescott has been one of our best players this season, however playing him at left back is such as strange choice. I wasn't a fan of Pulis a few years ago however he has grown on me. I think he will do a great job for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 02, 2015, 09:48:47 PM
10 games if you go out for a draw = 10 points

10 games if you go for the win, you can win 4 and lose 6 it still = 12 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 02, 2015, 09:51:09 PM
Quote from: MarkW on February 02, 2015, 09:48:47 PM
10 games if you go out for a draw = 10 points

10 games if you go for the win, you can win 4 and lose 6 it still = 12 points.

Still probably not enough to keep us up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 02, 2015, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 02, 2015, 09:51:09 PM
Still probably not enough to keep us up

Was just an example.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 02, 2015, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 02, 2015, 04:45:54 PM
As for the moans about Lescott at left back, did he not win a title playing there for Manchester City?

No.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 02, 2015, 11:23:16 PM
I will give TP time which is only fair Rome wasnt built in a day.I would be worried if he was satisfied with the team but the guy constantly states the team isnt good enough and needs better players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on February 02, 2015, 11:42:07 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on February 02, 2015, 11:23:16 PM
I will give TP time which is only fair Rome wasnt built in a day.I would be worried if he was satisfied with the team but the guy constantly states the team isnt good enough and needs better players.
weve got good players but he isnt playing them, cancelled there loans and playing a negative formation
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: reynirver on February 03, 2015, 12:21:00 AM
maybe Pulis has balls to drop some old guard to give a youngster a chancw We can loan them out all we want but they will never be able to prove wether they are good enough if they dont get the chance here. We must have one pacey winger in our U21. If you look at how Brunt is playing it doesnt even matter if he is rubbish or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 03, 2015, 12:29:00 AM
I think his plan in this window was fairly simple; bring Olsson in to act as a pacey wing-back (for some reason he is oblivious to Pocognoli which is quite annoying). Anyway, this would add an element of counter-attacking quality which he's also trying to bring via Macmanaman who is meant to run at people and get forward.
Darren Fletcher is meant to be an upgrade on the midfielder who partners Yacob (Morrison/Dorrans/Gardner) - I assume he will be an improvement as they are very ordinary, so you can expect better passing options and accuracy with Fletcher involved (TP has been banging on about maintaining possession; think of Fletcher as a poor mans Carrick if you will, this should help us out big time)
Then Cole was a like-for-like replacement of Ideye, who has a better scoring record in England, albeit he would still mostly be a substitute, so not all is lost there.

I think IF Pulis can recognise Pocognoli/Gamboa's pace then he may be on to something and our fortunes will change, but it will be a bit harder now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 03, 2015, 09:51:11 AM
We'll see what Pulis is really made of now. An unbalanced squad not suited to his normal game of pace and power. Hopefully he shows us why he got manager of the year last year!?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 03, 2015, 01:15:00 PM
I'll be interested to hear what he has to say about what happened (or, more importantly, what didn't happen) in the transfer window. He seems to have been having a lie-in this morning, as there have been no comments from him about anything at all so far today, but hopefully he'll surface this afternoon!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 03, 2015, 01:17:04 PM
considering his options i would think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 03, 2015, 03:22:00 PM
'Arry's just resigned from QPR, could TP be poached by Tony F?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 03, 2015, 04:06:29 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on February 02, 2015, 11:23:16 PM
I will give TP time which is only fair Rome wasnt built in a day.I would be worried if he was satisfied with the team but the guy constantly states the team isnt good enough and needs better players.

No but since he's come in Pulis has basically found a team in a similar state to Baghdad and then gone around kicking down any building that was still standing.

I think the players we have are good enough to keep us up, evidenced by Irvine managing to keep us out the bottom 3. A half decent managr should manage it fairly comfortably.

I also think the squad now is pretty suited to Pulisball and that is what we will see from now on. As for unbalanced, if he had kept Varela/added a left winger and played the players in there best position I would argue our strongest 11 would have a really nice balance to it ironically containing plenty of power, pace and defensive steel which is what Pulis supposedly favours (although I'm yet to see any evidence that this is his preference)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 03, 2015, 04:13:09 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 03, 2015, 03:22:00 PM
'Arry's just resigned from QPR, could TP be poached by Tony F?



great idea :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on February 03, 2015, 04:36:03 PM
Great idea......we could bring Downing back and we could set fire to the BRE and commit mass suicide.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 03, 2015, 10:22:16 PM
Would love to know what's gone on behind the scenes this window. It's no secret that Pulis wanted another striker and another wide player.
Did he want Gestede and Sakho or similar ? Seems highly possible and if not those then similar players.
If he did, what happened ? Was it the case they were viewed as too expensive ?

If it was the case that they were valued at 1 or even 2 million more than we wanted to give, should we have had a bite on the bullet and gone ahead ? I suspect Pulis would have been happier and we'd have had more options in the squad.

Pulis is no doubt on a decent bonus if he keeps us up and that will be his focus. Given the money involved just to be in next years prem then no doubt staying up is JPs main focus also.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 03, 2015, 11:54:59 PM
I don't think he wanted a starting left winger. A striker definitely and an alternative (sub) winger possibly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 04, 2015, 01:32:29 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 03, 2015, 04:06:29 PM
No but since he's come in Pulis has basically found a team in a similar state to Baghdad and then gone around kicking down any building that was still standing.

I think the players we have are good enough to keep us up, evidenced by Irvine managing to keep us out the bottom 3. A half decent managr should manage it fairly comfortably.

I also think the squad now is pretty suited to Pulisball and that is what we will see from now on. As for unbalanced, if he had kept Varela/added a left winger and played the players in there best position I would argue our strongest 11 would have a really nice balance to it ironically containing plenty of power, pace and defensive steel which is what Pulis supposedly favours (although I'm yet to see any evidence that this is his preference)
Fair enough,TBH I think he wanted us to play like Palace not Pulisball,which is lightyears better than the Stoke style.Thats whyhe kept refering to players like Puncheon and Bolasie who has good skill and pace to stretch the opposing defences.Even the way he used Jerome although a battering ram used his pace to lead their line to that effect and thats the role he wanted Cole to play.Anichibe too unfit/immobile for that role.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: joeymayo on February 04, 2015, 12:53:07 PM
Looking at the late attempts at recruitment its obvious Pulis was targetting a spine of the team - leader up front, leader in the middle and possible strengthening at the back. This goes against all the terrace managers who wished to replace our entire midfield - cue the vitriol from the stands in the coming weeks.
Maybe, just maybe Pulis trusts his lieutenants on the pitch and needs to add some generals to manipulate how he wants to play - lets hope this is the case - and can the supporters just support instead of becoming FLM recruits from the stands.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 04, 2015, 03:35:05 PM
I've seen no comments from TP regarding our transfer activities (or lack of them). Do you think he is still stewing? He can't be happy at all surely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 04, 2015, 03:38:01 PM
Quote from: joeymayo on February 04, 2015, 12:53:07 PM
Looking at the late attempts at recruitment its obvious Pulis was targetting a spine of the team - leader up front, leader in the middle and possible strengthening at the back. This goes against all the terrace managers who wished to replace our entire midfield - cue the vitriol from the stands in the coming weeks.
Maybe, just maybe Pulis trusts his lieutenants on the pitch and needs to add some generals to manipulate how he wants to play - lets hope this is the case - and can the supporters just support instead of becoming FLM recruits from the stands.

Well he's signed 2 new midfielders to add to Yacob (who I think most would agree is a shoe in at present). Had he signed Olsson then maybe he'd have used him wide midfield. After all he has always played with 2 quick wingers. I would say he's attempted to replace most of the midfield. Then again I can't comment as I don't have a coaching badge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on February 04, 2015, 04:58:16 PM
Quote from: wba606 on February 02, 2015, 11:42:07 PM
weve got good players but he isnt playing them, cancelled there loans and playing a negative formation
Funny that I thought he was pretty much playing the same ones as Irvine?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 05, 2015, 10:02:52 AM
Still no word from TP since the close of the Transfer Window I see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on February 05, 2015, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 05, 2015, 10:02:52 AM
Still no word from TP since the close of the Transfer Window I see.


Press conference will be Friday with our game being on Sunday I would think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fatboy_coach on February 05, 2015, 12:21:40 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 05, 2015, 10:02:52 AM
Still no word from TP since the close of the Transfer Window I see.

To be fair after last weeks comment about taking his eye off the ball I'd expect him to be concentrating on the must win game at the weekend rather than chatting to journos.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on February 05, 2015, 12:22:22 PM
I think the upheaval the transfer window caused him before the Tottenham game, he is being totally focused on preparations for the Burnley game and rightly so.

They'll be time enough to comment on past events in due course. Lets let him get on with what is important, winning football matches to keep us up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 06, 2015, 05:43:02 PM
Just watching soccer am best bits, and James Beattie was saying how he was head butted by a naked Tony Pulis in the showers. Wonder how long it will be before one of our lot get the treatment :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on February 06, 2015, 06:08:41 PM
Would love to have been a fly on the wall .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on February 06, 2015, 06:23:06 PM
Thought he spoke a lot of sense in his press conference, especially about Berahino. He seems likeable, with a sense of humour, and speaks a lot of sense. You can see that he would be a good motivator and would get respect from the players. I know people moan about the football not being pretty, but it needs to be with this group of players. We can better judge him next season, once he has changed the squad around and had a full pre season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 06, 2015, 06:50:27 PM
Quote from: timdon on February 06, 2015, 06:23:06 PM
Thought he spoke a lot of sense in his press conference, especially about Berahino. He seems likeable, with a sense of humour, and speaks a lot of sense. You can see that he would be a good motivator and would get respect from the players. I know people moan about the football not being pretty, but it needs to be with this group of players. We can better judge him next season, once he has changed the squad around and had a full pre season.
Thought he dealt with those questions superbly , it hasn't been pretty but I still think he is the best option for us at the minute.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on February 07, 2015, 07:28:18 AM
Quote from: timdon on February 06, 2015, 06:23:06 PM
Thought he spoke a lot of sense in his press conference, especially about Berahino. He seems likeable, with a sense of humour, and speaks a lot of sense. You can see that he would be a good motivator and would get respect from the players. I know people moan about the football not being pretty, but it needs to be with this group of players. We can better judge him next season, once he has changed the squad around and had a full pre season.

Totally agree, and have to say I really enjoy watching the clips on the Official Site of the end of week press conferences.

It's particularly refreshing to listen to a straight talker giving direct answers to direct questions (or as direct as possible - as I appreciate there are some issues that need to remain within the club rather than being broadcast publicly).

We've got a good man here to guide us through some difficult weeks ahead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 08, 2015, 03:51:30 PM
Pulis needs to sort out this poor start habit its very frustrating and hard to overcome,I am confident we can but time is the essence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on February 08, 2015, 04:02:06 PM
cracking interview again, his comment about Foster made me chuckle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 08, 2015, 04:04:16 PM
Pulis is god
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on February 08, 2015, 05:15:34 PM
Didn't look to upbeat in his post match interview and was that a dig at the chairman when he mentioned only having three strikers!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 05:18:22 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 08, 2015, 04:04:16 PM
Pulis is god

God at ruining a football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 08, 2015, 05:19:46 PM
I never wanted him here and not impressed so far. Hopefully he can turn it round though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 08, 2015, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 08, 2015, 05:19:46 PM
I never wanted him here and not impressed so far. Hopefully he can turn it round though.
Who would you have realistically wanted?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 08, 2015, 05:27:28 PM
Quote from: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 05:18:22 PM
God at ruining a football club.

Even though his last 4 clubs have been in a better stronger position when he left  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 08, 2015, 05:42:43 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on February 08, 2015, 05:26:05 PM
Who would you have realistically wanted?

Fair question and I dont really know. I understand why he was appointed but I have disliked his style of football for years and on that basis I was disappointed that he was suddenly seen as the saviour by so many of our fans.

That doesnt mean that I want him to fail. He is our manager and relegation isnt automatically followed by promotion. But what I have seen so far isnt encouraging. He does come across as a decent guy though.

It goes back to the Mel appointment for me. If the club had backed him we may be in a better place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 08, 2015, 05:46:04 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 08, 2015, 05:42:43 PM
Fair question and I dont really know. I understand why he was appointed but I have disliked his style of football for years and on that basis I was disappointed that he was suddenly seen as the saviour by so many of our fans.

That doesnt mean that I want him to fail. He is our manager and relegation isnt automatically followed by promotion. But what I have seen so far isnt encouraging. He does come across as a decent guy though.

It goes back to the Mel appointment for me. If the club had backed him we may be in a better place.
There was no one available from what I could see.
To be fair for a club in our position, he is a very good shout.
Mel was a nice man but I did not rate him at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on February 08, 2015, 06:05:00 PM
Not afraid to make huge calls at a football club and that's exactly what we needed - ruthless and effective decision making.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 08, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Six games in only one defeat against a very good team, the results have been pretty good. The first half today was awful, but we turned it around and got a result, we grafted very hard at Everton to get a draw we have a cup run going. At the time Pulis was the only real choice out there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 08, 2015, 08:00:05 PM
Quote from: WBASPE77 on February 08, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Six games in only one defeat against a very good team, the results have been pretty good. The first half today was awful, but we turned it around and got a result, we grafted very hard at Everton to get a draw we have a cup run going. At the time Pulis was the only real choice out there.
Spot on, we got a point at Burnley and people moan what if we were Man City who drew at home against the lowly Hull after having spent hundreds of millions.Point is its not the end of the world lets get behind the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 08, 2015, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on February 08, 2015, 08:00:05 PM
Spot on, we got a point at Burnley and people moan what if we were Man City who drew at home against the lowly Hull after having spent hundreds of millions.Point is its not the end of the world lets get behind the team.
People are moaning because whilst we may be picking up points, we are scraping results against out of form and weaker teams. Doesn't bode well for the future but agree we still have to get behind the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 08, 2015, 05:27:28 PM
Even though his last 4 clubs have been in a better stronger position when he left  :)

Maybe just this football club then.

Although:

Stoke: Hated by the majority of Stoke fans, converted them from playing football to rugby, was gradually getting less points every season for his last 3 years. Not to mention being sacked first time round.

Palace: Threw his toys out the pram and left after having less money to spend.

Plymouth: Wouldn't say he did much there, or at any of his preceding clubs either really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on February 08, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 08, 2015, 08:06:23 PM
People are moaning because whilst we may be picking up points, we are scraping results against out of form and weaker teams. Doesn't bode well for the future but agree we still have to get behind the team.

Yes and that's a future that we want in the Premier League. Give him a pre season with his own players and let's see what he does then. He will always be a direct and physical styled manager, however, with a solid few months on the training ground and his own players in, we might see the style shift to a more exciting counter attacking game (a style that needs the right personal - EG pace down the wings and a mobile, physical forward up top).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 08, 2015, 08:18:03 PM
Quote from: CL3MO on February 08, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
Yes and that's a future that we want in the Premier League. Give him a pre season with his own players and let's see what he does then. He will always be a direct and physical styled manager, however, with a solid few months on the training ground and his own players in, we might see the style shift to a more exciting counter attacking game (a style that needs the right personal - EG pace down the wings and a mobile, physical forward up top).
If we go by his track record, it'll be mostly the same with no serious improvement, plenty of hoofing balls and negating the (admittedly half decent) midfield he'll have build, centre backs as fullbacks, massive lump on his own up top or a Little & Large combo.

 12th-16th place guaranteed but no more, and perhaps more importantly no less.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on February 08, 2015, 08:21:19 PM
I wanted him here as he was the only viable option out there that was likely to keep us up,so far im not impressed his team selection in the fullback roles is ridiculous,what has poco done to upset him,i think we need 5 in midfield as we get overrun with only 4 ie spurs and burnley and the passing is rubbish,i hate to say this but I think Irvine would have got more than 1 point out of the last 2 games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on February 08, 2015, 08:34:56 PM
The two things that have baffled me since TP took charge are: 1: Why hasn't he used Gamboa or Poco, two players with a reputation for attacking and defending? and 2: Why when he admits we lacked width did he get rid of Varela and Blanco without giving them a chance to prove themselves in the first team? It makes you wonder whether Burton is still having a major influence in team selections.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 08, 2015, 09:12:21 PM
Quote from: royhan on February 08, 2015, 08:34:56 PM
The two things that have baffled me since TP took charge are: 1: Why hasn't he used Gamboa or Poco, two players with a reputation for attacking and defending? and 2: Why when he admits we lacked width did he get rid of Varela and Blanco without giving them a chance to prove themselves in the first team? It makes you wonder whether Burton is still having a major influence in team selections.

No it  is the way it is because Pulis wants it so there is no way that the TD picks the team or has any influence over team selection. Equally Pulis will have influence over transfers and there is no way that a player would have been shipped out against his will in January.

You can argue that the decisions are irrational but you cannot argue that Pulis is not his own boss.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 08, 2015, 09:18:24 PM
Couldn't believe him today. Bloody head banging stuff when I saw the team.

We finally get Lescott into his favoured position and instead he shifts Dawson to right back and we still remain totally disjointed. I would love to know why Pocognoli isn't being included. This whole makeshift defence that he has adopted is doing us no favours whatsoever as none of them look comfortable with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 08, 2015, 10:02:03 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on February 08, 2015, 09:18:24 PM
Couldn't believe him today. Bloody head banging stuff when I saw the team.

We finally get Lescott into his favoured position and instead he shifts Dawson to right back and we still remain totally disjointed. I would love to know why Pocognoli isn't being included. This whole makeshift defence that he has adopted is doing us no favours whatsoever as none of them look comfortable with it.

I just do not get the full back thing going on at the moment, we are having to deal to many crosses as a result plus we have no width going forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 08, 2015, 10:04:53 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 08, 2015, 10:02:03 PM
I just do not get the full back thing going on at the moment, we are having to deal to many crosses as a result plus we have no width going forward.

I don't think we will ever get width provided by our full-backs under Pulis. I have the feeling he'll march them into a rigid 4 which is why I think we may adopt the approach of four centre halves at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 08, 2015, 10:07:51 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on February 08, 2015, 08:18:03 PM
If we go by his track record, it'll be mostly the same with no serious improvement, plenty of hoofing balls and negating the (admittedly half decent) midfield he'll have build, centre backs as fullbacks, massive lump on his own up top or a Little & Large combo.

 12th-16th place guaranteed but no more, and perhaps more importantly no less.
i heard loud and clear today him telling Sess to take on the wing back a far cry from Sess play it long to Saido
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 08, 2015, 10:19:22 PM
Quote from: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 05:18:22 PM
God at ruining a football club.

How many clubs has he ruined??

please expand on what can only be considered ridiculous comments
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 08, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 08:06:46 PM
Maybe just this football club then.

Although:

Stoke: Hated by the majority of Stoke fans, converted them from playing football to rugby, was gradually getting less points every season for his last 3 years. Not to mention being sacked first time round.

Palace: Threw his toys out the pram and left after having less money to spend.

Plymouth: Wouldn't say he did much there, or at any of his preceding clubs either really.

completely unfounded, hated by the majority of Stoke?? can you prove that, every Stoke fan I know loved Pulis, he left them as an established Prem team and took them to a final..

Palace, turned them from relegation fodder into a comfortable mid table team and then left when he wasn't backed in the market.

Plymouth - yes it went wrong there, where are they now? I live in Cornwall, I work with Argyle fans, the problem was the ownership, every manager failed there hence why they are now in L2

seems you like to make unfounded claims and outlandish suggestions.

you don't like Pulis....just say it instead of posting incorrect information
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 08, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
completely unfounded, hated by the majority of Stoke?? can you prove that, every Stoke fan I know loved Pulis, he left them as an established Prem team and took them to a final..

Palace, turned them from relegation fodder into a comfortable mid table team and then left when he wasn't backed in the market.

Plymouth - yes it went wrong there, where are they now? I live in Cornwall, I work with Argyle fans, the problem was the ownership, every manager failed there hence why they are now in L2

seems you like to make unfounded claims and outlandish suggestions.

you don't like Pulis....just say it instead of posting incorrect information

I have no problem saying I don't like Pulis, as have already alluded to and stated it, similarly I have already noted my disdain for the deluded section of our fanbase who frankly think the sun shines out of his rear end.

You only have to look on their fans forums to see that he divides opinion there and that there is a consensus in that the time was right for him to go. In fact many believe Hughes is an upgrade, you accuse it as outlandish yet offer no evidence to the contrary- rife with hypocrisy.

You class my comments as ridiculous yet the lugubrious ingemination of your statements, especially considering you serve only to undermine viewpoints rather than put over a coherent debate, is ridiculous.

As for my Palace point, it was used to show that he continually falls out with owners over transfers, he did it during his first spell at Stoke if I remember correctly. He spends loads of money of tat effectively. You like examples so feast on these: Kitson, Palacious, Adam, Jerome, Jones, Gudjonsson.

You cant cite the current Plymouth side as defence for his poor performance, that's a bit like me saying Jeremy Peace has failed at WBA because we've seen 9 managers/head coaches in 13 years of his reign.

I post an opinion, with arguments to back it up, you say it is incorrect yet you don't prove that. The points you have made are your opinion and by suggesting that mine are incorrect you are basically saying that your opinion is more informed than mine or superior to mine- something I wholeheartedly disagree with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on February 08, 2015, 10:56:15 PM
You know what would be nice...

For everyone to realise the s**t we are in, and get behind a manager, make The Hawthorns a place opposition sides hate coming to and stick together.

Look at what we as a club acheived in unity under Megson. Yes there are a lot of forums for debate nowadays, social media etc. and yes, football in short is different to 13/14/15 years ago but it's sad to see so so many Albion fans bickering amongst eachother.

Not everyone is going to agree with the Head Coaches selections, methods or strategy but what we can't deny is that he wants what we want, and thats for us to push up the table and stay there. He has his football based opinions on what he thinks is best and I think he'll do us proud in his time at West Bromwich Albion.

He leaves clubs in a much better state than when he took over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 08, 2015, 11:03:49 PM
Quote from: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 10:45:36 PM
I have no problem saying I don't like Pulis, as have already alluded to and stated it, similarly I have already noted my disdain for the deluded section of our fanbase who frankly think the sun shines out of his rear end.

You only have to look on their fans forums to see that he divides opinion there and that there is a consensus in that the time was right for him to go. In fact many believe Hughes is an upgrade, you accuse it as outlandish yet offer no evidence to the contrary- rife with hypocrisy.

You class my comments as ridiculous yet the lugubrious ingemination of your statements, especially considering you serve only to undermine viewpoints rather than put over a coherent debate, is ridiculous.

As for my Palace point, it was used to show that he continually falls out with owners over transfers, he did it during his first spell at Stoke if I remember correctly. He spends loads of money of tat effectively. You like examples so feast on these: Kitson, Palacious, Adam, Jerome, Jones, Gudjonsson.

You cant cite the current Plymouth side as defence for his poor performance, that's a bit like me saying Jeremy Peace has failed at WBA because we've seen 9 managers/head coaches in 13 years of his reign.

I post an opinion, with arguments to back it up, you say it is incorrect yet you don't prove that. The points you have made are your opinion and by suggesting that mine are incorrect you are basically saying that your opinion is more informed than mine or superior to mine- something I wholeheartedly disagree with.

We have lost one game since his arrival, he has been successful at every club he has been at, why the vitriol?

Get behind him and the team and see where it takes us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 11:20:13 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 08, 2015, 11:03:49 PM
We have lost one game since his arrival, he has been successful at every club he has been at, why the vitriol?

Get behind him and the team and see where it takes us.

First let me say I am behind the team, when I go to the games I do chant/cheer. In fact when I went to Spurs last week I was the only one chanting, everybody looked at me as if I was some sort of freak, and if you read back I was the one against the Berahino abuse.

I am vitriolic towards Pulis because I feel we have gone backwards under him in terms of performance, I think the style of play is naff. I don't expect champagne football but long balls to Sessegnon is pathetic.

If Pulis turns it round and is a success at the club I will be the first one to apologise and accept I was wrong, however I am allowed an opinion and I don't think his managerial skill is as good as people make out. Just because I state these opinions on here does not mean I do not support the club in the fullest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on February 08, 2015, 11:58:00 PM
And if we had Bomber still wearing the number 4 shirt, smashing in the goals we wouldn't be in this mess.

And if we still had Alan Miller in goal, we'd have a great GK and also be getting a few laughs each week.

And if we still had Gary Strodder in CD breaking a few legs, then we'd have a tighter defence.

But there are too many 'ifs' in those sentences...a lot like many other posts about AI still being in charge. People move on, by choice or force. We just need to get behind TP now.

I admit, to begin with I was livid at AI's appointment, but accepted it.

Now we've got someone who won't take any prisoners and doesn't pull his punches. We've had a big clear out over the past 12 months, something we've all been begging for, so let's just get on with it.

I watched MotD. Ok, they didn't show the whole match, but we didn't look too bad, apart from the odd thing in defence. But these things happen. We came back from 2 down today. The PL is a tough league and I think some people need to take a look at their own expectations and think about how realistic they are.

Well done, TP. Let's keep going.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbatillidie on February 09, 2015, 01:19:43 AM
Baffled as to why Pocognoli or Gamboa can't get a look in at fullback. People saying he prefers playing big centre backs there and to just defend but he was close to bringing in Martin Olsson on deadline day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 09, 2015, 07:57:25 AM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on February 08, 2015, 10:56:15 PM
You know what would be nice...

For everyone to realise the s**t we are in, and get behind a manager, make The Hawthorns a place opposition sides hate coming to and stick together.

Look at what we as a club acheived in unity under Megson. Yes there are a lot of forums for debate nowadays, social media etc. and yes, football in short is different to 13/14/15 years ago but it's sad to see so so many Albion fans bickering amongst eachother.

Not everyone is going to agree with the Head Coaches selections, methods or strategy but what we can't deny is that he wants what we want, and thats for us to push up the table and stay there. He has his football based opinions on what he thinks is best and I think he'll do us proud in his time at West Bromwich Albion.

He leaves clubs in a much better state than when he took over.
Managerless on the eve of a Premier League campaign?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 09, 2015, 08:03:28 AM
Pulis is here for the long haul so get use to it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on February 09, 2015, 09:34:29 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 09, 2015, 08:03:28 AM
Pulis is here for the long haul so get use to it
And his style which many are saying it is not the Albion way. Many want attractive football, I doubt they will see it.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 09, 2015, 09:40:29 AM
Pulis didn't play 4 central defenders across the back for Crystal Palace did he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 09, 2015, 09:42:30 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on February 09, 2015, 09:34:29 AM
And his style which many are saying it is not the Albion way. Many want attractive football, I doubt they will see it.


to be fair we aint really played the Albion way on a regular basis since the late seventies, we are a long ball team over the last 30 yeras with the odd game of what you would call the albion way.
I am quite happy with our away performances under Pulis so far
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 09, 2015, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on February 09, 2015, 09:34:29 AM
And his style which many are saying it is not the Albion way. Many want attractive football, I doubt they will see it.

Its a myth though Kev, this Albion style, we have played attractive football for spells in our history, but far more often, we have played robust effective or ineffective football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 09, 2015, 10:03:43 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 09, 2015, 09:46:54 AM
Its a myth though Kev, this Albion style, we have played attractive football for spells in our history, but far more often, we have played robust effective or ineffective football.
I suppose some fans consider Mowbray's way "attractive football" but it failed in the Prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on February 09, 2015, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 09, 2015, 09:46:54 AM
Its a myth though Kev, this Albion style, we have played attractive football for spells in our history, but far more often, we have played robust effective or ineffective football.
John, I was only repeating what many posters have said. Myself I don't care if we play rubbish for the rest of the season as long as we stay up, but could the fans put up with the Pulis style of play for more than one season.

Glyn you say that you are quite happy with our away performance but what about home performances? You have said you want to be entertained when we play at home? do you really think you will be with this style of play. Just a question buddy.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 09, 2015, 10:17:35 AM
There is no 'Albion Way'. Nobody was crying out for 'Albion' football during Megsons reign. Makes us sound like West Ham fans. In my time there only been Ardilles and Mowbray that really played that all out attack style were supposedly so famous for. The difference between Pulis and Megson is our expectations have changed, similar to how Stokes did and why the vast majority of loved the job he did there but couldn't wait to see the back of him by the end.

I loved the way we played under Mowbray and would love to see a return, but I'm not going to be on here complaining unless we have 70% of the ball each match. There loads and loads of ways to play exciting football and not all of them attacking but I genuinely cant think of a more boring style than the 1 Pulis employs.

In 4 games under Pulis we are still yet to score a goal from open play. In 2 away games we have had 1 opportunity from open play which was when the Burnley defender fell over. We have not created a single chance, and have not looked like  creating a chance. For the people wanting to give him time so he can bring in his own players and his own style I will say again that this is his style. In his last 4 seasons at Stoke the amount of goals they scored from open play were 16,19,14,14. So looking at that the best we can hope for is a goal from open play every 2 games. 28 goals from open play in his last 76 games. Forget about a ratio anything like that away from home. It actually angers me when we have Sky commentating on how well worked out set pieces are and that you can see how much work has been put in to them. I'd rather see a manager try and get a team passing the ball and keeping possession than spending all his time on the training ground working on corners.

As for Pulis changing style when he gets his own players, I think the players/formation being played are classic Pulis. We may see a few changes with players in and out and the summer but the style of player/game plan will remain the same.

4 Centre backs all strong in the air
Central midfield made up of hard working ball winners
1 hard working winger
Big man up top

All we will see is Berahino out and replaced with Cole/another target man and some of the fringe players replaced by a slightly higher quality replica. We wont be seeing 2 unpredictable 'match winning' wingers, we wont be seeing a creative number 10, we very likely wont see 2 full backs and we wont see a change in the style or approach from Pulis.

If it keeps us up then I'm sure that's enough for some people so I'm not looking to get in to a debate about it's efficiency (although I actually think were in more danger of going down now than when Irvine was here) but it's not entertaining and I think the approach is both embarrassing and cowardly. As Devon says though we may as well get used to it because it's almost certainly not going to be changing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 09, 2015, 10:18:59 AM
Quote from: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 10:45:36 PM
I have no problem saying I don't like Pulis, as have already alluded to and stated it, similarly I have already noted my disdain for the deluded section of our fanbase who frankly think the sun shines out of his rear end.

You only have to look on their fans forums to see that he divides opinion there and that there is a consensus in that the time was right for him to go. In fact many believe Hughes is an upgrade, you accuse it as outlandish yet offer no evidence to the contrary- rife with hypocrisy.

You class my comments as ridiculous yet the lugubrious ingemination of your statements, especially considering you serve only to undermine viewpoints rather than put over a coherent debate, is ridiculous.

As for my Palace point, it was used to show that he continually falls out with owners over transfers, he did it during his first spell at Stoke if I remember correctly. He spends loads of money of tat effectively. You like examples so feast on these: Kitson, Palacious, Adam, Jerome, Jones, Gudjonsson.

You cant cite the current Plymouth side as defence for his poor performance, that's a bit like me saying Jeremy Peace has failed at WBA because we've seen 9 managers/head coaches in 13 years of his reign.

I post an opinion, with arguments to back it up, you say it is incorrect yet you don't prove that. The points you have made are your opinion and by suggesting that mine are incorrect you are basically saying that your opinion is more informed than mine or superior to mine- something I wholeheartedly disagree with.

Yes those players failed...can you remind me how well they had done for their previous clubs which bought about their signings in the first place! Players do fail, yet a lot of those players had been very good for their previous employers.

you make statements like 'hated by the majority at stoke' and offer no proof of this. Im not making sweeping statements I'm simply replying to your post as you seem to think that YOUR opinion of someone is the be all and end all and therefore nobody else's matters, and yes I'm dissecting your post because I'm sick of reading posts on here from people who drop a few big words in and make statements that simply are not true and make out that they speak for the majority.

I am debating with you, just because I disagree entirely with what you are saying does not make me wrong or you right.

Its quite easy to pick apart someone when they offer a personal opinion but think its gospel and that everyone else should agree with them.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 09, 2015, 10:35:50 AM
Plenty of good managers who get lots of money to spend will waste some of it. Hodgson signed some expensive flops for Fulham. Mark Hughes signed a lot of rubbish for QPR on big money. Steve Bruce at Sunderland made some poor signings for big money too. How about the good signings Pulis made at Stoke and Palace that transformed Stoke from Championship struggles to an established Premier League team and Palace from bottom of the league to 11th. I see Ledley scored the winner for Palace at the weekend with Dann still a regular in the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 09, 2015, 10:35:52 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on February 09, 2015, 10:07:47 AM
John, I was only repeating what many posters have said. Myself I don't care if we play rubbish for the rest of the season as long as we stay up, but could the fans put up with the Pulis style of play for more than one season.

Glyn you say that you are quite happy with our away performance but what about home performances? You have said you want to be entertained when we play at home? do you really think you will be with this style of play. Just a question buddy.


Hello Kev, We have played 2 home games under pulis won and lost indifferent performances.
Yes i want to be on the edge of my seat especially at home and the last time that happened was Under Pepe Mel.
Under Pulis i cant see a drastic change in style between away and home performances. i am happy to see if he keeps us up what our playing style should resemble next season with his additions(perrish the thought).
What i do prefer about pulis is when i see him being interviewd, we can see and hear hes here to sort them out, he shows fire and passion in his belly and i like to see that especially on the touchline
My guess is he will serve his contract  but it wont be pretty.He will most likely fall out with the chairman in the summer over recruitment and just get on with it but he will keep us in the greed league, not so easy on the eye though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 09, 2015, 12:25:39 PM
The sole task now this season is to keep us in the Premier league, a continued cup run would be nice, but, due to the inept first half of the season under Irvine, and a mixed January transfer window, we are where we are.

I don't think it is truly fair to judge Pulis until next season regarding playing style, this season, its just about survival and a pragmatic approach.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 09, 2015, 12:34:26 PM
While i accept the football so far hasn't been great and I'm baffled by a couple of things (Poco for one ) i don't think you can under estimate the mess he has arrived to , I'm not just talking this season either as you can go back 2 or 3 seasons for several bad key choices as a club .
Out of anybody interested in the job he is by far the best bloke for the situation IMO , there is no magic wand.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 09, 2015, 12:44:50 PM
What I don't understand is why the desire to play the ball on the floor with some pace is condemned and sometimes even ridiculed as being "fancy", tippy tappy" or "the fictitious albion way". 
despite what some would have you think this way of playing can be effective, it can be utilised either as all out attack or counter attacking dependant upon the game situation.

Do I like what I have seen so far from TP's side? NO I bloody don't,
Do I understand his team selections, No I don't.
Will I support him, yes this season, but, if its the same next season, I really don't know if I can, and it hurts to say that.
Some might say that makes me a fickle supporter, so be it,
I understand we need to "sort out " this season, but Pulisball is not a long term option for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: JMullen95 on February 09, 2015, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on February 09, 2015, 10:03:43 AM
I suppose some fans consider Mowbray's way "attractive football" but it failed in the Prem.
With a half-decent keeper under Mowbray he would have kept us up comfortably, Carson cost us about 20 points that season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 09, 2015, 01:01:42 PM
I don't think anyone sees Pulis as a long term solution but for the short term he is the right man. No its not going to be pretty but its a results business and so far this season they have not been good. We needed a strong character to come in and sort out a few issues that seem to be lingering. The existing coaching staff have gone and now it seems the team is ready to be evolved and a few of the strong settled regulars and going to be in for a shock if they haven't already noticed it.

No I don't agree with a few of his lineups but with the pursuit of Martin Olsson then he obviously has reservations of Pocognoli but has also seen that Lescott is not the right man to play there. Maybe after yesterday Brunt may find himself there as given Pulis like pace out wide then Brunt is going to struggle there and given how quick he was moved back out wide yesterday as in a couple of other games its obvious he is not up to a central role either especially with Mulumbu due back.

The rest of the season will not be pretty and the emphasis will be on not losing games and trying to get a result, others have had that attitude and failed trying due to lack of organisation and sloppiness from individuals. Pulis will pick up on that and as we have already seem those players may not feature as much as they would like. Our goals may only come from set-pieces and we'll see a lack of creativity at times. Again not much difference from what we have seen already this season but even at 2-0 yesterday we didn't feel out of it and I think thats one thing we will see that the squad will not be allowed to give up.

This will be another big Summer possibly the biggest so far and I expect a lot of changes with a couple of regulars being moved out to be replaced by Pulis type players, good thing or bad thing ? time will tell but some have been too comfortable for a while and the changes may do both us and them the world of good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on February 09, 2015, 01:02:15 PM
To be honest, I think we've been very lucky under TP so far. Performances have been absolutely dire but we've got points on the board. How sustainable this will be for the remainder of this season is questionable to say the least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 09, 2015, 01:04:40 PM
I do think that pulis's in-game reaction to situations that are not working is far better than Alan Irvine's. ie moving Chris brunt to a wide defensive role.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 09, 2015, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: JMullen95 on February 09, 2015, 12:59:21 PM
With a half-decent keeper under Mowbray he would have kept us up comfortably, Carson cost us about 20 points that season.
With respect having one decent forward , a powder puff midfield and weak defenders cost us a lot more than Carson that season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on February 09, 2015, 01:26:36 PM
I wonder if Pulis thinks he might be in with a shout for the England job if he works wonders here?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: JMullen95 on February 09, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 09, 2015, 01:14:28 PM
With respect having one decent forward , a powder puff midfield and weak defenders cost us a lot more than Carson that season.
I agree with what you say, our defending at set pieces was awful, but I think Carson made our defenders look more awful half the time. Lately I've been seeing a regular debate as to whether you would rather see entertaining football or effective football. Personally, I would rather see us relegated than stay up the way we are playing at the moment. It's embarrassing to watch, and it's painful. I expect to be battered with abuse with what I am about to say now, but I would seriously rather have Irvine as manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 09, 2015, 02:37:54 PM
How anyone manages to keep us up is a miracle, its a shambles from top to bottom
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bring me sunshine on February 09, 2015, 02:48:35 PM
Being a stoke fan I have to say I was quite curious what you lot would make of  THE CAPPED ONE and I can assure you that he will divide you like no other.

 As a balanced view I can tell you at Stoke he is still loved by some in a rather creepy manner (Rimmers), hated unjustly by some (PHW’s - Pulis Hating Wan*instains) and appreciated by the rest. The truth is that all Stoke fans were very grateful of the work he did but probably 2/3 were glad to see the back of him. Turgid binary football, square pegs in round holes, playing his favourites, brawn above ability, 100 million yes 100 million up the wall I could go on but I’m sure you get the picture. 23 years out of the top flight and we were just happy to be back but after 3 years of progress leading to a cup final appearance we just stagnated, then regressed and in the end the vast majority just dreaded hearing the team sheet, which was always delivered by the lively and inventive Dave Kemp (running joke amongst Stoke fans). The post match radio phone ins were full of people totally depressed, constantly saying how dire the football was and that they weren’t going to renew season tickets and that was even after games we’d  won. I’d like to think he is capable of change and has the ability to advance a team to the next level but i guess we will only know if he’s still with you in 18 months. 

Anyway best of luck for the rest of the season apart from March 14th obviously and I hope you stay up, which you will comfortably, so our rivalry can continue for many years to come, its good for both of us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 09, 2015, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on February 09, 2015, 01:26:36 PM
I wonder if Pulis thinks he might be in with a shout for the England job if he works wonders here?

He wants to be the Welsh national manager before he eventually retires. But at the moment he loves the day to day involvement of a club football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 09, 2015, 02:56:10 PM
Quote from: JMullen95 on February 09, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
I agree with what you say, our defending at set pieces was awful, but I think Carson made our defenders look more awful half the time. Lately I've been seeing a regular debate as to whether you would rather see entertaining football or effective football. Personally, I would rather see us relegated than stay up the way we are playing at the moment. It's embarrassing to watch, and it's painful. I expect to be battered with abuse with what I am about to say now, but I would seriously rather have Irvine as manager

I do wonder if we would have gave him the signings he wanted in the Summer instead of the failed foreigners we signed what position we would be in. We played some good stuff at times under Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on February 09, 2015, 03:17:58 PM
I totally agree with you . We signed all these players and played none . Wouldn't it be nice if we could just once attack some one , play good football and win . The dross we are watching at the moment is depressing .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 09, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: bring me sunshine on February 09, 2015, 02:48:35 PM
Being a stoke fan I have to say I was quite curious what you lot would make of  THE CAPPED ONE and I can assure you that he will divide you like no other.
Thank you for your insights. It'll be interesting to see what happens at Albion. I do have concerns that Pulis will turn us into what Stoke ended up as by the time he left.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 09, 2015, 08:04:06 PM
Quote from: bring me sunshine on February 09, 2015, 02:48:35 PM
Anyway best of luck for the rest of the season apart from March 14th obviously and I hope you stay up, which you will comfortably, so our rivalry can continue for many years to come, its good for both of us.

Mostly good for you to be fair.

I remember the chants of 'We always beat West Brom'  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on February 10, 2015, 12:14:40 PM
Havent posted for ages so apologies in advance for the long post!

Personally i dont think you can really judge somebody after 6 x games and even 6 x months may be a bit too soon, but that doesnt mean there cant be concerns.

The main positive i could see with Pulis was motivation and organisation, yet of late those things seem to of come unstuck.

Pulis will of done his homework on our squad before taking over and he must know they have the mental strength of a wet fart, for over a season now we have thrown away several 2 or 3 goal leads and in certain games surrended easily. Pulis is known as a motivator, 100% man, etc so i find it a bit concerning when he says this is his biggest challenge, that the job has got tougher after the transfer window, and when asked can we stay up, he says 'who knows, we will just wait and see'.

I think he is covering his own back incase we do go down, but i think it offers a group of players an excuse, many of whom shown to be quite cowardly when it comes to a battle, he should be saying and knowing what we do of Pulis that 'these players are more than good enough to stay in the league and its up to them to prove it and stay at West Brom in the future' What i have heard so far isnt the siege mentality i was hoping for, of course actions speak louder than words and credit for coming back from 2-0 behind on Sunday but i just think he is covering his back a bit and offer an easy way out.

I think the difference is is that at Stoke he did a great job and built them from a midtable Champ team to a established Prem team so he almost had free reign, the expectation was what he made it, at Palace they were dead and buried, nobody expected anything and again he did a great job and kept them up. At the Albion as we have been in the Premiership a number of years now its a different expectation, i think we do expect to stay up as for a number of seasons now teams have been coming up new to the league and we have stayed up so far and i think we would like a cup run (he is ticking the box on that front)

I think Irvine would of kept us up (i know not many agree) and i expect Pulis to keep us up, we have a squad that is better than 3 other teams, so far this season i think we have been in the bottom 3 once or twice and majority of it out of it so that would suggest we are better than 3 others as we now around 2/3rds through the season ? I know we have a hard run in, etc but as Sean Dyche said the other day, everybody has to play each other twice over the season so when you play them dont really matter.

It may of been covered elsewhere but i would be surprised if there isnt a optout the contract for both parties come the summer, if we go down i certainly expect Pulis to walk of his own accord, if we stay up then he may want another season. Personally i was surprised he took the job (money helps!) because as depressing as it is, i dont think he can really better what we achieved in the league under Hodgson and Clarke, we could have a cup run but i also think because of the expectations mentioned above, if we stay up, come next season i think our fans will want to be entertained, if he produces the football he did at Palace then great, but i think if its Stoke esque, then people will turn, at the moment his first aim is to keep us up so style of football, etc isnt important but it will be eventually. I think he would of been better waiting for a QPR or Leicester, having money and time, low expectation and build the club from there.

Style was i dont know what to think, against Hull it was a gritty battling performance, we got the win, job done. Everton away was dreadful to watch but again got a result and you could see the defence was organised at the expense of us offering an attacking threat, however the last couple of games, we havent looked organised at the back and havent improved massively in attack!

Like others i dont understand his team selection, as somebody said above surely a  player playing average in his own position is better than a good player playing badly there? If he doesnt rate Poco then fair enough, but short term til the end of the season surely he is better than out of position players there?  I rate him so not sure whats what there. Same goes with the Winger front, why not keep Varela til the end of the season, if we had got the wingers in he wanted then let him go but we didnt, so make use of him short term. Hodgson did it, when he came in he brought back in Meite and a couple of others, end of the season they were gone but they did the job short term, i cant understand why Pulis doesnt see that

My gut instinct of Pulis is that i think he is a good likeable bloke, who is clearly a very effective and successful manager at what he does, i think he will keep us up but i dont think long term we will be good for him and vice versa, i think there were other managers out there who could of come in, kept us up and maybe built something longer lasting, i think Pulis will be gone by end of next season latest and we go back to square one of another coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 10, 2015, 12:22:08 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on February 10, 2015, 12:14:40 PM
Havent posted for ages so apologies in advance for the long post!

Personally i dont think you can really judge somebody after 6 x games and even 6 x months may be a bit too soon, but that doesnt mean there cant be concerns.

The main positive i could see with Pulis was motivation and organisation, yet of late those things seem to of come unstuck.

Pulis will of done his homework on our squad before taking over and he must know they have the mental strength of a wet fart, for over a season now we have thrown away several 2 or 3 goal leads and in certain games surrended easily. Pulis is known as a motivator, 100% man, etc so i find it a bit concerning when he says this is his biggest challenge, that the job has got tougher after the transfer window, and when asked can we stay up, he says 'who knows, we will just wait and see'.

I think he is covering his own back incase we do go down, but i think it offers a group of players an excuse, many of whom shown to be quite cowardly when it comes to a battle, he should be saying and knowing what we do of Pulis that 'these players are more than good enough to stay in the league and its up to them to prove it and stay at West Brom in the future' What i have heard so far isnt the siege mentality i was hoping for, of course actions speak louder than words and credit for coming back from 2-0 behind on Sunday but i just think he is covering his back a bit and offer an easy way out.

I think the difference is is that at Stoke he did a great job and built them from a midtable Champ team to a established Prem team so he almost had free reign, the expectation was what he made it, at Palace they were dead and buried, nobody expected anything and again he did a great job and kept them up. At the Albion as we have been in the Premiership a number of years now its a different expectation, i think we do expect to stay up as for a number of seasons now teams have been coming up new to the league and we have stayed up so far and i think we would like a cup run (he is ticking the box on that front)

I think Irvine would of kept us up (i know not many agree) and i expect Pulis to keep us up, we have a squad that is better than 3 other teams, so far this season i think we have been in the bottom 3 once or twice and majority of it out of it so that would suggest we are better than 3 others as we now around 2/3rds through the season ? I know we have a hard run in, etc but as Sean Dyche said the other day, everybody has to play each other twice over the season so when you play them dont really matter.

It may of been covered elsewhere but i would be surprised if there isnt a optout the contract for both parties come the summer, if we go down i certainly expect Pulis to walk of his own accord, if we stay up then he may want another season. Personally i was surprised he took the job (money helps!) because as depressing as it is, i dont think he can really better what we achieved in the league under Hodgson and Clarke, we could have a cup run but i also think because of the expectations mentioned above, if we stay up, come next season i think our fans will want to be entertained, if he produces the football he did at Palace then great, but i think if its Stoke esque, then people will turn, at the moment his first aim is to keep us up so style of football, etc isnt important but it will be eventually. I think he would of been better waiting for a QPR or Leicester, having money and time, low expectation and build the club from there.

Style was i dont know what to think, against Hull it was a gritty battling performance, we got the win, job done. Everton away was dreadful to watch but again got a result and you could see the defence was organised at the expense of us offering an attacking threat, however the last couple of games, we havent looked organised at the back and havent improved massively in attack!

Like others i dont understand his team selection, as somebody said above surely a  player playing average in his own position is better than a good player playing badly there? If he doesnt rate Poco then fair enough, but short term til the end of the season surely he is better than out of position players there?  I rate him so not sure whats what there. Same goes with the Winger front, why not keep Varela til the end of the season, if we had got the wingers in he wanted then let him go but we didnt, so make use of him short term. Hodgson did it, when he came in he brought back in Meite and a couple of others, end of the season they were gone but they did the job short term, i cant understand why Pulis doesnt see that

My gut instinct of Pulis is that i think he is a good likeable bloke, who is clearly a very effective and successful manager at what he does, i think he will keep us up but i dont think long term we will be good for him and vice versa, i think there were other managers out there who could of come in, kept us up and maybe built something longer lasting, i think Pulis will be gone by end of next season latest and we go back to square one of another coach.

A good measured post which I think pretty much sums up where we are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 10, 2015, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: JMullen95 on February 09, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
I agree with what you say, our defending at set pieces was awful, but I think Carson made our defenders look more awful half the time. Lately I've been seeing a regular debate as to whether you would rather see entertaining football or effective football. Personally, I would rather see us relegated than stay up the way we are playing at the moment. It's embarrassing to watch, and it's painful. I expect to be battered with abuse with what I am about to say now, but I would seriously rather have Irvine as manager
You start from defense any decent manager knows that.
It was powder poof under Mowbray. You could have had the best keeper in the World in the sticks.But would not have saved us. Where is he now?
TP for all your perceived criticisms. Is and has been a Premiership manager far longer than TM was and will ever be.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 10, 2015, 10:26:04 PM
Tony Pulis duped by pranksters.  ;D

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/02/10/video-west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-duped/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/02/10/video-west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-duped/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 10, 2015, 10:37:25 PM
just read the article in the mail about his meeting with senior players on Tuesday. there always seems to be something wrong at the albion these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 10, 2015, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 10, 2015, 10:37:25 PM
just read the article in the mail about his meeting with senior players on Tuesday. there always seems to be something wrong at the albion these days.

I just read that too, didn't see anything wrong, TP just wants them to move up a couple of knotches that's all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on February 10, 2015, 10:55:10 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 09, 2015, 01:14:28 PM
With respect having one decent forward , a powder puff midfield and weak defenders cost us a lot more than Carson that season.

Tony Mowbray's much maligned tippy tappy team (hate that nonsense term) was FAR inferior on paper to what we have now.

Yet the fact is that we are better now only by the slimmest possible margin IF we are better. So the fact is Tony Mowbray was getting much more out of his very slim resources than a number of managers have since. In fact, our much lauded and extremely well payed Premier League stars risk taking our infinitely more prosperous club down back into the Championship this season.

We didn't get relegated because Tony Mowbray played decent football, we got relegated because we didn't have a good enough squad for the Premiership. This year we should, on paper, have more than good enough players (albeit a poorly balanced and lopsided squad) to survive.

What do these facts tell you?

Tony Mowbray can have a good belly laugh if we go down this season, altough I am sure he is far too classy to do something like that and will be sad if we do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 10, 2015, 11:04:01 PM
Mowbray has nothing to do with our current situation. However, he is a proven failed manager at Celtic and Middlesbrough were he did have superior funds to most clubs around him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 10, 2015, 11:16:03 PM
My original post was in reply to a previous poster blaming Carson for everything , lets not forget TM spent a fair amount on that squad on failures in Valero , Zuvi , Meite , Moore plus others . I liked TM but he was found out , our defending that season was awful overall and that didn't improve at Celtic or Boro ...I honestly thought he would improve defence wise after us but it seems worse.
The squad now should be doing a lot better , we know that ....it's gone slowly backwards since Clarke's first season .It tells me we have been poorly run over the last two seasons , now we are hoping Pulis can pull us out the mire in any style possible . It's been hard work watching us at times over the last few seasons , winning games would be a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 11, 2015, 07:00:27 AM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on February 10, 2015, 08:46:21 PM
You start from defense any decent manager knows that.
It was powder poof under Mowbray. You could have had the best keeper in the World in the sticks.But would not have saved us. Where is he now?
TP for all your perceived criticisms. Is and has been a Premiership manager far longer than TM was and will ever be.
It is the accepted British way that you start from defense but I am sure historically world cup winners Brazil would disagree as some of their world cup winning defenses were quite poor in comparison to their rivals. Clichés alert :o the best form of defense is attack and its easier to play on the front foot than the back foot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 11, 2015, 08:40:16 AM
Quote from: BB74 on February 10, 2015, 10:26:04 PM
Tony Pulis duped by pranksters.  ;D

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/02/10/video-west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-duped/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/02/10/video-west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-duped/)

Thought he came across as a decent helpful guy. Just as well!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 11, 2015, 08:46:09 AM
I was pleased to hear him say this yesterday, perhaps we may see a bit more attacking play tonight.

Quote
“We’ve become competitive and we look a little better within our shape, now we have to try and win a few games,” Pulis said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 11, 2015, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 10, 2015, 10:44:05 PM
I just read that too, didn't see anything wrong, TP just wants them to move up a couple of knotches that's all.
I got the impression that this was as much about attitude as technique. I think he wants the senior players to pull everything together, so that everyone is buying into the game plan.
Lescott has raised issue with playing LB
Foster has had some stick from fans
Brunt has lost the captaincy
Fletcher is the new broom.
All of the above could have caused discontent, so Pulis has called them together to get their heads up, act professionally and set an example to the younger members of the squad. Historically, this is what he is good at 'If you buy in, you are in, if you don't.....Goodbye', let's hope it pays off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 11, 2015, 12:22:36 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 09, 2015, 02:51:47 PM
He wants to be the Welsh national manager before he eventually retires. But at the moment he loves the day to day involvement of a club football.
He's got no chance think Warren Gatland is doing a excellent job for the welsh at the minute!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 11, 2015, 12:33:27 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on February 11, 2015, 12:22:36 PM
He's got no chance think Warren Gatland is doing a excellent job for the welsh at the minute!

Did an excellent job on friday night ! Cheers Warren
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 11, 2015, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 11, 2015, 07:00:27 AM
It is the accepted British way that you start from defense but I am sure historically world cup winners Brazil would disagree as some of their world cup winning defenses were quite poor in comparison to their rivals. Clichés alert :o the best form of defense is attack and its easier to play on the front foot than the back foot.
Brazil have and had some very good defenders.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/18621/6120873/brazils-greatest-defenders
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 11, 2015, 06:17:27 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on February 11, 2015, 04:48:01 PM
Brazil have and had some very good defenders.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/18621/6120873/brazils-greatest-defenders
Never said they had bad defenders but their defense was not as good as their rivals. They did not build a team around defending.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 11, 2015, 06:59:42 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 11, 2015, 06:17:27 PM
Never said they had bad defenders but their defense was not as good as their rivals. They did not build a team around defending.
They had a balanced side.Something TM never seemed to achieve.
Not sure about this "but their defense was not as good as their rivals." The fact they won so many World Cups says otherwise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on February 11, 2015, 09:40:09 PM
Please don't play Dawson RB again makes Wisdom look world class
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 11, 2015, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: Webby on February 11, 2015, 09:40:09 PM
Please don't play Dawson RB again makes Wisdom look world class
Yet we got 3 points......Take it away!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on February 11, 2015, 10:00:53 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on February 11, 2015, 09:58:45 PM
Yet we got 3 points......Take it away!

I know crazy and they didn't even really create anything from it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on February 11, 2015, 10:12:14 PM
4 more wins and job done
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on February 11, 2015, 11:16:01 PM
OK all you Pulis haters what was hoofball about tonight's victory? Ive just watched Man Utd on Match of the day and they were more YOUR stereotype  Pulis ball  than ever we were tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 11, 2015, 11:18:31 PM
Just 2 points behind Everton now.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on February 11, 2015, 11:52:51 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 11, 2015, 11:18:31 PM
Just 2 points behind Everton now.....
The silence is deafening !!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 11, 2015, 11:53:27 PM
Quote from: bry on February 11, 2015, 11:16:01 PM
OK all you Pulis haters what was hoofball about tonight's victory? Ive just watched Man Utd on Match of the day and they were more YOUR stereotype  Pulis ball  than ever we were tonight.

yes, far more entertaining, well done TP.  It is possible to play attractive and effective football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 11, 2015, 11:57:10 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 11, 2015, 11:18:31 PM
Just 2 points behind Everton now.....
Errm... 1 point.  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on February 12, 2015, 12:09:19 AM
Quote from: bry on February 11, 2015, 11:16:01 PM
OK all you Pulis haters what was hoofball about tonight's victory? Ive just watched Man Utd on Match of the day and they were more YOUR stereotype  Pulis ball  than ever we were tonight.

I don't care about United, nor do I hate Pulis or anyone. I am just relieved we saw the football I expected when Pulis came in, in contrast to pure Stoke type Pulisball or another flat Burnley like performance. Finally our players looked to express themselves and looked like they enjoyed themselves on the pitch. Sanity saved, phew!

It looks as if someone at the club reads this board tbh. Finally a bit of movement, speed and creativity going forward built on a solid base in the middle. Today for the first time this season we looked where we should be, a comfortable mid table team rather than relegation fodder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 12, 2015, 12:34:46 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 11, 2015, 11:57:10 PM
Errm... 1 point.  :D

Yes you are right.  I was looking at the league table just before Everton conceded !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 12, 2015, 01:09:17 AM
Tonight proves a point, at Burnley we played without intensity, with long balls and no real passion or hunger. We were lucky to get a point.

Tonight we played some decent football, there was good link up play and handy initiative, we had a good defensive shape tonight.

On Sunday Pulis got it completely and utterly wrong, tonight he was spot on! Time will tell but I for one am hoping we see more of what we saw tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on February 12, 2015, 01:30:46 AM
Some questioned the appointment of Pulis pointing towards his apparent complete lack of ability in terms of getting his sides to play 'football' rather than the rugby his Stoke side used to play, at times.

Yes there will be moments when we have to go more direct, but I don't think people should confuse this with us adopting Stoke-esque strategies. Pulis has today got us playing quick-tempo, decent, attacking football using the wings and instructing his players to keep pushing high, this will win us games. This isn't hoofball. We may see a return to those tactics at some point but every team reverts to that style at some point in certain situations.

Let's judge Tony Pulis on now, and what our team do now. During his transtitional period of six weeks we've built at the back and as we move forward through his time at the club I've no doubt we'll see football that's a bit more pleasing on the eye than some would suggest and more importantly we'll win football matches.

COYB.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 12, 2015, 06:35:39 AM
If what we saw last night was the Pulis "blueprint* then I am happy with it. Organisation, teamwork, commitment,belief
and for the first time in a long time the players looked as if they enjoyed it. I think that when TP is able to change a few more players in the summer, this club can start to make its mark in the Prem second group and keep well clear of relegation battles.Very encouraged. Nice to see a manager tactically aware too. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 12, 2015, 07:16:35 AM
Quote from: Baggie Boy on February 12, 2015, 01:09:17 AM
Tonight proves a point, at Burnley we played without intensity, with long balls and no real passion or hunger. We were lucky to get a point.

Tonight we played some decent football, there was good link up play and handy initiative, we had a good defensive shape tonight.

On Sunday Pulis got it completely and utterly wrong, tonight he was spot on! Time will tell but I for one am hoping we see more of what we saw tonight.

Agreed. I was hugely encouraged last night and it just goes to back up my view that we could have won that Burnley game if we had played with the same intensity and intent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on February 12, 2015, 07:49:03 AM
When I got home last night I watched the game again on Sky. What I hadn't picked up sitting in the East Stand was how vocal Pulis is!

On the TV he could be heard over the crowd yelling at the players, getting instructions over, geeing people up.

Can't fault his enthusiasm!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on February 12, 2015, 08:14:23 AM
if last night was an indication of how TP wants to play, i'm all for it.
thought mozzi had good burst game, he's still quick ,for an old un ! :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 12, 2015, 08:31:39 AM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on February 12, 2015, 01:30:46 AM
Yes there will be moments when we have to go more direct, but I don't think people should confuse this with us adopting Stoke-esque strategies. Pulis has today got us playing quick-tempo, decent, attacking football using the wings and instructing his players to keep pushing high, this will win us games. This isn't hoofball. We may see a return to those tactics at some point but every team reverts to that style at some point in certain situations.
What would you say the 36% possession we had yesterday (in a home game) is indicative of?

Although they were talking about Man Utd, I saw some interesting stats on Sky the other day, where we have played more long balls than any other team in the Premier League so far this season - more than 1000. That figure was nearly 200 more than the third team in that list (Hull). Obviously this can only partially be down to Pulis, but it is a telling statistic nonetheless. In their stats, Sky were distinguishing been long balls and long passing, which implies that long balls are effectively hoofs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on February 12, 2015, 08:32:12 AM
If thats how Pulis wants to play then is fine by me!

I thought we played good football at times, went direct at times, workrate was non stop and just a very enjoyable game and performance.

I hope we carry on in that vein, home and away because teams will have a lot of the ball when we are away (like Swansea although we were at home) but the style last night worked and showed we can play that way.

Whatever Pulis said to them after Sunday and in his chat with the senior players, it worked!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2015, 08:41:20 AM
Quote from: Chipperfan on February 12, 2015, 07:49:03 AM
When I got home last night I watched the game again on Sky. What I hadn't picked up sitting in the East Stand was how vocal Pulis is!

On the TV he could be heard over the crowd yelling at the players, getting instructions over, geeing people up.

Can't fault his enthusiasm!



This is exactly what i like to see from the team leader, i love his interviews too. i can cope with his football for now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on February 12, 2015, 08:55:50 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2015, 08:41:20 AM


This is exactly what i like to see from the team leader, i love his interviews too. i can cope with his football for now

Nice to hear in last nights interview that he is desperate to win the cup tie.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 12, 2015, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2015, 08:41:20 AM


This is exactly what i like to see from the team leader, i love his interviews too. i can cope with his football for now

Nothing wrong with his footbal last night. Best performance on home soil for many months
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 12, 2015, 09:00:12 AM
The fact is Pulis seems to be aware of a need for a plan B - something we badly missed last season and the first half of this. I'm sure we wouldn't have got as many points out of the last few games if we still had Clarke, Mel or Irvine in charge. Pulis seems to be a great organizer and is a 'Mr Motivator' (hopefully without the lycra) and knows when to press certain buttons with players - he switched on Ideye's lights anyway. He seems to want to build a solid core from which we can then go on to play with pace and power. It seems to be getting there but will take time and certainly the summer and maybe the one after that to bolster the plan. I think the early signs are very good but we all need to focus on getting another 4 wins and a couple of draws to be sure this year , then we can think about how we play a bit more progressive football which will cmoe if we're solid and get in some new attackers.

The most pleasing thing is that the players are responding to him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 12, 2015, 09:02:27 AM
Quote from: GrGr on February 12, 2015, 12:09:19 AM
I don't care about United, nor do I hate Pulis or anyone. I am just relieved we saw the football I expected when Pulis came in, in contrast to pure Stoke type Pulisball or another flat Burnley like performance. Finally our players looked to express themselves and looked like they enjoyed themselves on the pitch. Sanity saved, phew!

It looks as if someone at the club reads this board tbh. Finally a bit of movement, speed and creativity going forward built on a solid base in the middle. Today for the first time this season we looked where we should be, a comfortable mid table team rather than relegation fodder.

Halleluia to this, after the recent dour displays, & players playing out of position, I was in despair of us ever seeing an attack again, last night was a breath of fresh air. May it long continue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 12, 2015, 09:18:11 AM
The club cant really win either way to be fair, Im happy for us to give the reigns to Pulis to work as the last 2 years has been incredibly frustrating, we just beat a good swansea side 2-0 at home superb lets kick on and see where we can finish, I guarentee the ones asking for good football attacking and expansive would be the same ones moaning if we got relegated.

I wouldnt trust our recruiting department to bring in three or four players who can carry out that way if im being honest hence why we havent had a half decent winger in 2/3 years.

Would be good to see berahino play in an albion team which flourished as i think he could bag 20 goals but you also need the wingers and the rest of the midfield to be agressive when getting forward, I dont think we would acquire the parts to play that way with the suits we have at the club at the moment, Hence why im a fan of the pulis movement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 12, 2015, 09:26:01 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on February 12, 2015, 09:18:11 AM
The club cant really win either way to be fair, Im happy for us to give the reigns to Pulis to work as the last 2 years has been incredibly frustrating, we just beat a good swansea side 2-0 at home superb lets kick on and see where we can finish, I guarentee the ones asking for good football attacking and expansive would be the same ones moaning if we got relegated.

I wouldnt trust our recruiting department to bring in three or four players who can carry out that way if im being honest hence why we havent had a half decent winger in 2/3 years.

Would be good to see berahino play in an albion team which flourished as i think he could bag 20 goals but you also need the wingers and the rest of the midfield to be agressive when getting forward, I dont think we would acquire the parts to play that way with the suits we have at the club at the moment, Hence why im a fan of the pulis movement.

I'm really struggling to see what the Pulis detractors want, P8, W4, D3, L1, the best record an Albion manager has had for a long while.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on February 12, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 12, 2015, 09:26:01 AM
I'm really struggling to see what the Pulis detractors want, P8, W4, D3, L1, the best record an Albion manager has had for a long while.

You're right about his record, however to be fair before last night the performances had been at best dour and at worst dull.

The guy in front of me, who has followed Albion home and away, and internationally too for fifty one years,  was saying before the game last night how unhappy he was with the style of football being played and its negativity. He went on to say he wasn't coming against West Ham, his first home absence for years.

At the end of the match he turned round smiling and said "See you Saturday then".

Positive intent, and an attacking winning side is what people want. We don't have to be Barca, it's just better if we're not Stoke.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on February 12, 2015, 09:40:23 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 12, 2015, 08:31:39 AM
What would you say the 36% possession we had yesterday (in a home game) is indicative of?

Although they were talking about Man Utd, I saw some interesting stats on Sky the other day, where we have played more long balls than any other team in the Premier League so far this season - more than 1000. That figure was nearly 200 more than the third team in that list (Hull). Obviously this can only partially be down to Pulis, but it is a telling statistic nonetheless. In their stats, Sky were distinguishing been long balls and long passing, which implies that long balls are effectively hoofs.

Interesting about the long ball stats. I suppose it's down to the methodology used.

The stats used in the link below suggest we are by no means the most reliant team on long balls in the PL.

The stats are based on the number of short passes to long balls ratio. Our ratio is 4.8 short passes made for every long ball, which puts us in 14th position.

Just another perspective to consider.

http://talksport.com/football/revealed-pl-clubs-most-and-least-reliant-long-balls-150211136015?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 12, 2015, 09:47:32 AM
Quote from: Chipperfan on February 12, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
You're right about his record, however to be fair before last night the performances had been at best dour and at worst dull.

The guy in front of me, who has followed Albion home and away, and internationally too for fifty one years,  was saying before the game last night how unhappy he was with the style of football being played and its negativity. He went on to say he wasn't coming against West Ham, his first home absence for years.

At the end of the match he turned round smiling and said "See you Saturday then".

Positive intent, and an attacking winning side is what people want. We don't have to be Barca, it's just better if we're not Stoke.

Getting results at the moment is more important than playing style, its time for a pragmatic approach by everyone, team, fans and manager.

Win the next 4 league games, we can then all relax and hopefully enjoy the season end and Pulis can mould the team into what he wants.

If he stays, I can see Pulis being as popular as Megson, maybe more so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on February 12, 2015, 10:09:40 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 12, 2015, 09:26:01 AM
I'm really struggling to see what the Pulis detractors want, P8, W4, D3, L1, the best record an Albion manager has had for a long while.

Some would prefer a 21% win record ;) however, this is just 1 win and with this team it will be a struggle to keep away from the relegation battle. We can only secure our Premiership standing if we play as a team, not as individuals  (Yes I am thinking of Berahino),so Pullis has his work cut out to instill  camaraderie into this club and that includes the fans, something that has been lacking since Pepe Mel was here.  I saw a glimpse of that on Wednesday night - albeit on a stream, I am not able to attend as much as I would like. 

 Pullis made an excellent signing in Fletcher not just because of his skills and energy on the pitch, but also his whole - hearted enthusiasm for the team and supporters.

This won't be an easy ride, it will be one hell of a roller-coaster! then again whats new at the Baggies!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 12, 2015, 10:18:38 AM
For the remainder of this season playing style goes out the window, we have to stay up by any means possible.  I will judge Pulis’s ‘style’ next season when he has had a summer to shape the squad, however I’m slightly perplexed at those who suggest that this was some sort of champagne performance, the first half was pretty dismal, we improved in the second as we did on Sunday.

Cracking result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on February 12, 2015, 10:21:11 AM
Rome wasn't built in a day!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 12, 2015, 11:36:41 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 12, 2015, 10:18:38 AM
For the remainder of this season playing style goes out the window, we have to stay up by any means possible.  I will judge Pulis’s ‘style’ next season when he has had a summer to shape the squad, however I’m slightly perplexed at those who suggest that this was some sort of champagne performance, the first half was pretty dismal, we improved in the second as we did on Sunday.

Cracking result.

I thought we played well throughout, the tempo was much better & I thought we were unlucky not to be in front at half time. I said to my mate at H/T "this is the first game in a long time, I think we will win"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on February 12, 2015, 11:53:11 AM
survival first whatever it takes, then we look at the style and how that can improve
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on February 12, 2015, 12:08:05 PM
Going up to the game last night I had pretty much no confidence at all that we'd come away with any more than a point, against a good Swansea team. I base that on our previous 2 performances, where we stood off & watched the other team play around us & coast into 2 goal leads.
Came away beaming like a Cheshire cat, after a thoroughly deserved 2-0 win, in which we never looked like conceding. Played some decent stuff too, with the move that lead to Mcmanaman shooting over in the first half springing to mind.
More of the same please Tony & you'll have us safe & with a trip to Wembley in the offing!
Ok, I know ...  I'm getting carried away now!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 12, 2015, 12:55:05 PM
I think last nights tactics were dictated by the absence of Anichebe to be honest. As good as it was to see a Hodgson-esque performance of quick, passing attacking play, I think it was only really because Ideye and Berahino were up front.

Looking at the bench I wondered if Olsson was there just in case we were losing and he wanted to go long ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 12, 2015, 01:07:03 PM
I notice TP has started calling us "The Albion " instead of  "Albion " as he was when he first arrived in his after match work , not daft is he ?  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 12, 2015, 01:36:12 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 12, 2015, 10:18:38 AM
For the remainder of this season playing style goes out the window, we have to stay up by any means possible.  I will judge Pulis’s ‘style’ next season when he has had a summer to shape the squad, however I’m slightly perplexed at those who suggest that this was some sort of champagne performance, the first half was pretty dismal, we improved in the second as we did on Sunday.

Cracking result.

Compared to what we've had to sut through since last August I thought I was watching Barcelona last night.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 12, 2015, 03:54:15 PM
The 1,2 passes between Brown and Saido was nice to watch
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on February 12, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 12, 2015, 10:18:38 AM
For the remainder of this season playing style goes out the window, we have to stay up by any means possible.  I will judge Pulis’s ‘style’ next season when he has had a summer to shape the squad, however I’m slightly perplexed at those who suggest that this was some sort of champagne performance, the first half was pretty dismal, we improved in the second as we did on Sunday.

Cracking result.
? At half time I was pleased as we had controlled a team that have previously out footballed us on our home patch (as well as theirs) and had the game won at half time numerous times.

I see Pulis yelling at Mozza and McManaman to get forward with the ball and really drives the players forward.

This performance gives us hope - determination, discipline and forward thinking - results are all that matter until May, I came away last night feeling pretty good about us staying up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on February 12, 2015, 06:25:52 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 12, 2015, 10:18:38 AM
For the remainder of this season playing style goes out the window, we have to stay up by any means possible.  I will judge Pulis’s ‘style’ next season when he has had a summer to shape the squad, however I’m slightly perplexed at those who suggest that this was some sort of champagne performance, the first half was pretty dismal, we improved in the second as we did on Sunday.

Cracking result.
I can't believe some peoples prejudice against Pulis. The play last night didn't fit the perceived stereotype  that some people have so now we have to judge him next year when he might play that way. Ok lets swap Pulis for Lambert he plays a passing game and not hoofball. Oh yes and give them Fletcher as well because he doesn't fit the Pulis stereotype either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on February 12, 2015, 06:28:31 PM
Really like the guy, players always respect him. He is so full of energy during games, it's great to see an Albion manager get the team going and not just stand on the sidelines looking clueless
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 12, 2015, 06:49:27 PM
I'd like to see more of what we saw in the second half. A bit of intent, good movement and the ball played along the floor.

If Pulis manages that then I'm sure we will all be happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 12, 2015, 07:47:50 PM
For the guys who want to see what it will be like next season. Palace uploaded a 7 minute video of a TP pre season. Emphasis on discipline, strength and direct play:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cMrdWFd5pk
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 12, 2015, 07:50:08 PM
Quote from: bry on February 12, 2015, 06:25:52 PM
I can't believe some peoples prejudice against Pulis. The play last night didn't fit the perceived stereotype  that some people have so now we have to judge him next year when he might play that way. Ok lets swap Pulis for Lambert he plays a passing game and not hoofball. Oh yes and give them Fletcher as well because he doesn't fit the Pulis stereotype either.
I can understand the concerns about Pulis. His record on paper here is good and that is what the London media look at as we know historically they have little clue about what is actually going on at our club. Prior to last night, our performances have been poor (and sometimes abject) against some weak and out of form teams. The only decent team we have played gave us a good hiding. Last night was a good performance but also against a team who has just sold their best player and had their most creative player serving the last game of a suspension. It could be suggested that Pulis' hand was forced to put the team out that he did with the injury to Anichebe and having let go any other options.
However, last night was encouraging, and hopefully he will recognise showing some attacking intent is not a bad thing and at the end of the day if Pulis gets it right then West Brom get it right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albionden on February 12, 2015, 10:49:40 PM
We've needed a Proper manager since Hodgson left, someone who has a bit of experience/nous when it comes to setting a team up to play against various opposition/players , not just a coach or a 2nd in command with potential . were not always going to end up winning , but I feel were in with more of a shout now , things might just be starting to click .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 13, 2015, 10:29:54 AM
Pulis is God, keeps us up he should get manager of the season(again) and a slice of the new pie
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blakey on February 13, 2015, 01:21:23 PM
Tony Pursil loves clean sheets lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on February 13, 2015, 01:28:53 PM
I hope the Swansea game was more of a 'prototype' of things to come and he doesn't revert to type for the West Ham game, I think that team would have the beating of the 'ammers, no Fletcher of course but perhaps Mulumbu could be fit and ready for that game or maybe...dare I say it again....Gamboa in the midfield.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on February 13, 2015, 02:54:11 PM
I notice TP has started calling us "The Albion " instead of  "Albion " as he was when he first arrived in his after match work , not daft is he ?

Motty always calls us The Albion too doesn't he on motd
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Marcus on February 13, 2015, 11:56:27 PM
I see the Daily Express are reporting that the Vile have made enquires about his availability and any release clause.......

How's about F**K OFF !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 14, 2015, 12:45:03 AM
No surprise there, he's the ideal man for the job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 14, 2015, 01:51:59 AM
God I hate seals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on February 14, 2015, 04:47:58 AM
Quote from: Marcus on February 13, 2015, 11:56:27 PM
I see the Daily Express are reporting that the Vile have made enquires about his availability and any release clause.......

How's about F**K OFF !!!

Doubt this is true, if it is what is it about those arrogant pricks from Witton taking local managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 14, 2015, 05:00:02 AM
He ain't going to Villa....

Why would you? They're in disarray on and off the pitch with an owner who wants money back not put money in..

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on February 14, 2015, 08:59:10 AM
He is seven weeks into a two and a half year deal with us. One of the worst newspaper rumours I have ever read. I notice not even the sun or the mirror have run this terrible story.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 14, 2015, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 14, 2015, 05:00:02 AM
He ain't going to Villa....

Why would you? They're in disarray on and off the pitch with an owner who wants money back not put money in..

Like it or not, they are a bigger club than us and it would be the biggest gig of his career so far.

I don't want him to go though so Villa can do one!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 14, 2015, 09:17:29 AM
The Swansea game was the best I have seen us play in a long time, the top two pressed the Swansea defence, lead to poor passes. The link up with Sadio and Brown was good. Morrison made a number of good runs with the ball. Flecther and Yacob were excellent. We moved the ball a bit quicker than in recent games that I have seen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on February 14, 2015, 09:25:25 AM
In life timing is everything, for TP to go to VileNila now, is the wrong time  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 14, 2015, 09:34:50 AM
Quote from: WBASPE77 on February 14, 2015, 09:17:29 AM
The Swansea game was the best I have seen us play in a long time, the top two pressed the Swansea defence, lead to poor passes. The link up with Sadio and Brown was good. Morrison made a number of good runs with the ball. Flecther and Yacob were excellent. We moved the ball a bit quicker than in recent games that I have seen.
who is missing go figure......Anichibe we can now press higher and faster.Anichibe needs to get in shape too much weight thats why he is so injury proned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 14, 2015, 09:49:48 AM
We play the London media darlings this afternoon so its no surprise that the London media print a story to try and unsettle us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on February 14, 2015, 10:00:39 AM
If you sack a manager/couch you can keep them on gardening leave until their contract is up so I can't see how we would voluntarily permit someone to buy up Pulis' contract when we have no intention of letting him go.  Media nonsense. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 14, 2015, 10:25:50 AM
There's not much around, so I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Villa hadn't made an enquiry. The one that gives me the greatest concern is QPR: who is Tony Fernades' dream manager? They would have the money to buy players in the summer, & Gerry Francis is an ex QPR player.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on February 14, 2015, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 14, 2015, 10:25:50 AM
There's not much around, so I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Villa hadn't made an enquiry. The one that gives me the greatest concern is QPR: who is Tony Fernades' dream manager? They would have the money to buy players in the summer, & Gerry Francis is an ex QPR player.

They've appointed the caretaker manager for the rest of the season. This Pulis to villa talk is merely written by the London press to unsettle us today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 14, 2015, 10:41:13 AM
Quote from: baggie38 on February 14, 2015, 10:30:59 AM
They've appointed the caretaker manager for the rest of the season. This Pulis to villa talk is merely written by the London press to unsettle us today.

Correct, & I can't see Pulis leaving now, but I could see him going to QPR in the summer if they stayed up. Fernades, has an agreement with somebody to take over at the end of the season.
As I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Villa had made an enquiry: not just about Pulis, but other Managers also, they will be shopping around, as will Leicester.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 14, 2015, 10:50:38 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 14, 2015, 10:41:13 AM
Correct, & I can't see Pulis leaving now, but I could see him going to QPR in the summer if they stayed up. Fernades, has an agreement with somebody to take over at the end of the season.
As I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Villa had made an enquiry: not just about Pulis, but other Managers also, they will be shopping around, as will Leicester.

Not even worth speculating about. QPR don't even know what division they will be in next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on February 14, 2015, 01:39:28 PM
"Tony Pulis. I played under him at Portsmouth so I know how he likes to play. It's not complicated - get the ball down and pass it." - Steve Claridge

Suggests when we hoof it, its our players lack of confidence rather than instructions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 14, 2015, 01:58:53 PM
Claridge has changed his tune, he didn't have a good word to say about him while he was there. Probably because he was after the job himself!

He ended up replacing Pulis as manager and lasted half as long as him. With a much worse record.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 14, 2015, 04:53:23 PM
What a performance today,our best for several years and a delight to watch
What was noteable for me was that every one of those players was available to a Alan Irvine and a supposedly great coach would easily have got them relegated
It has taken a decent manager 6 weeks to turn them into a team
Lesson learnt hopefully for Jeremy Peace than you need managers !!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 14, 2015, 04:57:36 PM
The longer Pulis has with the group the more they will improve, I expect comfortable top 12 and dream of a cup final.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 14, 2015, 08:14:56 PM
Long ball football? I saw none of that today. It was a great performance. He has worked wonders with Brown, Morrison has improved his game a lot more over the last couple of matches. We have more goals in us and have picked up five clean sheets since Pulis has been in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 14, 2015, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: WBASPE77 on February 14, 2015, 08:14:56 PM
Long ball football? I saw none of that today. It was a great performance. He has worked wonders with Brown, Morrison has improved his game a lot more over the last couple of matches. We have more goals in us and have picked up five clean sheets since Pulis has been in charge.
But look how he played his sides at Stoke!!  Witter...witter !! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 14, 2015, 09:15:39 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on February 14, 2015, 08:52:03 PM
But look how he played his sides at Stoke!!  Witter...witter !! ;D

Glos you were a huge Irvine fan
You must by now see that your loyalties were totally misplaced and Pulis has taken only 6 weeks to sort the same players that Irvine used into a proper team
You need to stop trying to justify your misplaced loyalty to that Bufoon Irvine and admit that you could not have been more wrong
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Oldbaggie on February 14, 2015, 09:44:40 PM
To me TP have been a revelation, totally different to what I expected when he was appointed, although to be honest I couldn't have cared less if it was hoofball as long as we stayed up. After the tactically inept AI, watching the games under TP has been a pleasure as I can now see a pattern in our play whereas before it was like watching an under 5's kick about in the park. Whether it is TP alone or the input of ideas from him and a fresh coaching team it appears to be working, so well done JP for both the change in manager and the change in coaching staff. I now look forward to games with hope in my heart rather than despair.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 14, 2015, 10:01:47 PM
Pulis knows how to win games and it simply stems from hard work from each and every player

He wants to win games but more importantly he doesn't want to lose them and if that means sacrificing a bit of attacking flair then so be it as long as we stay in the PL - that's what it is ALL about these days

But as we saw today his teams can be attractive to watch - thought we looked a threat every time we went forward today and 6 or 7 would not have flattered us at all - one of the best performances I have seen for a very long time

Three cheers for "Pulisball"   ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on February 14, 2015, 10:30:58 PM
I was always anti-Pulis because of the way Stoke played, and because I believe that Albion are a club with a footballing tradition. However....I have seen very little 'hoofball' since he has been at West Brom. And maybe..he has changed his football philosophy a bit, and why shouldn't people learn and develop their original ideas. Today against West Ham, was an excellent all round performance, that was every bit as entertaining as anything I have seen over the last few years. 
Of course, you can only play to the strengths of the players at your disposal, something I have heard TP say. (Pity by the way that it is usually used as an excuse to play unattractive football). However, on this occasion maybe our players were taught good technical skills, and it just needed someone like TP to add greater discipline and organisation. When you look at the starting XI against West Ham, none of these were actually Pulis signings. So like alot of pundits used to say, we have a good set of players. But clearly there was some ingredient lacking under Irvine, that  TP has brought in.
I must say I am also pleasantly surprised by the players TP has brought in as both Fletcher and McMannaman are skilful creative players.
Therefore, the TP we have is not the one I thought we would get and I hope we get more of the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 14, 2015, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: tylerm on February 14, 2015, 09:15:39 PM
Glos you were a huge Irvine fan
You must by now see that your loyalties were totally misplaced and Pulis has taken only 6 weeks to sort the same players that Irvine used into a proper team
You need to stop trying to justify your misplaced loyalty to that Bufoon Irvine and admit that you could not have been more wrong
Rubbish.
No, I supported him as he was our mgr. I never diss managers in site.As like to give a chance.
I would have taken TP 5  years ago.
Does that clear it up for ya?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 15, 2015, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 13, 2015, 10:29:54 AM
Pulis is God, keeps us up he should get manager of the season(again) and a slice of the new pie
Pulis is no God. Pulis has got results with some poor performances along the way which has bred some confidence in a group of players who were always capable of playing football.  He has also got all the crowd back on side which makes it easier for the players on the pitch. He does have his hands tied in some respects by the players that he has available to him, they almost pick themselves, and the long term future under Pulis (and style) will be interesting.  I also think we have been fortunate in our run of fixtures under him so far. The form of West Ham coming into the game yesterday was not the same as when we played them earlier in the season and losing Carroll and two first choice centre halves will have had an impact, but you still have to win these matches and we did comfortably.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on February 15, 2015, 10:00:32 AM
Nobody is God, or perfect.

Just the fact that Pulis was seriously considering signing Carlton Cole tells me we need to get in someone competent at scouting targets this summer, and not let TP anywhere near our transfer kitty without adult supervision.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 15, 2015, 10:25:56 AM
The West Ham and Swansea games were good to watch good football and we made it very comfortable for ourselves. We have also managed to get results in tight games such as Hull, Birmingham and at Everton which is a sign that if needs must we can grind out a result but also play good easy on the eye football like Yetserday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on February 15, 2015, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: bry on February 12, 2015, 06:25:52 PM
I can't believe some peoples prejudice against Pulis. The play last night didn't fit the perceived stereotype  that some people have so now we have to judge him next year when he might play that way. Ok lets swap Pulis for Lambert he plays a passing game and not hoofball. Oh yes and give them Fletcher as well because he doesn't fit the Pulis stereotype either.
Good points raised he was on MOTD last night saying how Albion have different strengths to Stoke and Palace and its all about finding the system to suit the players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 15, 2015, 10:40:23 AM
Quote from: GrGr on February 15, 2015, 10:00:32 AM
Nobody is God, or perfect.

Just the fact that Pulis was seriously considering signing Carlton Cole tells me we need to get in someone competent at scouting targets this summer, and not let TP anywhere near our transfer kitty without adult supervision.

Don't let him sign a big lump up front and we will be all right. In general I would not rush to judge a manager either way. It would be nice to have one for more than a season so we can look at his impact in the round. At the moment we are have benefited from a short term uplift but Head Coaches need to be judged over the long term.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 15, 2015, 11:18:52 AM
Isn't the real reason some of us don't like Pulis is his Stoke side kept beating us, whether or not we played better or looked better, or had 90% of the play.

They kept winning by whatever means it took. if you keep losing you get to eventually dislike the winner just because they keep winning no matter what you do. We saw Stoke as upstarts being promoted, playing a style of football we didn't like, having more money than us, buying players we wanted (just like Newcastle, Hull, West Ham and now Crystal Palace, Southampton etc.0

Maybe we were a little bit jealous and peeved.

It's the past lets get over it and support our HBW and the team ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on February 15, 2015, 11:33:39 AM
The last two and a half matches show that TP is totally versatile with his style of play. We have been an absolute joy to watch the last two games, some of the best flowing football seen for many a year. 6 goals scored in two games and NOT ONE from a set piece! We haven't got the typical Pulis type players at the club so Pulis has had to adapt his own methods, that was never going to happen overnight, and yet within 6 weeks he has now found the shape he wants and it's already paying dividends. That shows the pure class of the man as a manager, and more importantly as a 'man-manager'. Brunt has been a revelation at left back, a total natural. He has got more time on the ball and his ability to pick a pass is a blessing for a full back. Dawson also looks very comfortable and relishing in his freedom to push on too Morrison looks a different player, as obviously does Bobby and Berahino looks interested and enjoying himself at last!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 15, 2015, 11:37:05 AM
Early days but maybe he doesn't want to build another Stoke ? , he did tour a lot of clubs watching all sorts of things during his break from football . It could be we are wrong to assume on Pulis and his plans for us although I enjoyed his Palace side much more than Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 15, 2015, 11:47:08 AM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 15, 2015, 11:18:52 AM
Isn't the real reason some of us don't like Pulis is his Stoke side kept beating us, whether or not we played better or looked better, or had 90% of the play.

They kept winning by whatever means it took. if you keep losing you get to eventually dislike the winner just because they keep winning no matter what you do. We saw Stoke as upstarts being promoted, playing a style of football we didn't like, having more money than us, buying players we wanted (just like Newcastle, Hull, West Ham and now Crystal Palace, Southampton etc.0

Maybe we were a little bit jealous and peeved.

It's the past lets get over it and support our HBW and the team ;)
I don't know if some people don't like TP because of this but hopefully we might become their bogey team ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 15, 2015, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: Dexy on February 15, 2015, 11:37:05 AM
Early days but maybe he doesn't want to build another Stoke ? , he did tour a lot of clubs watching all sorts of things during his break from football . It could be we are wrong to assume on Pulis and his plans for us although I enjoyed his Palace side much more than Stoke.
I think you make a very good point with that post. We have seen how he managed very different clubs and got them performing.
Some games we will need to "Park the bus" others attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on February 15, 2015, 12:10:52 PM
The thing people need to realise about Pulis is that he is not effective because of a particular tactic, his teams win games because of the discipline and fitness regime along with the way he drills his teams in keeping a solid, consistent shape. He has a fantastic ability to get a bunch of players playing as an organised unit and brings the best out of his players. We can see proof of this already with our squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2015, 12:13:50 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on February 15, 2015, 11:56:02 AM
I think you make a very good point with that post. We have seen how he managed very different clubs and got them performing.
Some games we will need to "Park the bus" others attack.

I think Pulis is an expert in working with what he has, when Stoke got promoted, he had a squad of barely adequate players and adopted a style that suited players of limited technical ability (narrow pitch, long ball, very robust style, resolute defence), they stopped up.

We tried to play football with players of moderate ability, poor defensively and got found out and relegated.

Its a good man who knows his limitations.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 15, 2015, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2015, 12:14:16 PM
I think Pulis is an expert in working with what he has, when Stoke got promoted, he had a squad of barely adequate players and adopted a style that suited players of limited technical ability (narrow pitch, long ball, very robust style, resolute defence), they stopped up.

We tried to play football with players of moderate ability, poor defensively and got found out and relegated.

Its a good man who knows his limitations.
I agree. Good post a bit Djemba-Djemba if I may say LOL!!! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 15, 2015, 02:34:02 PM
If performances like yesterday are what we come to expect throughout his tenure then he'll win the majority of the fan base over very quickly. Yesterday has everything I want to see from an Albion side - movement, intention, pace, passing, pressing - all of which produced some very entertaining football and brushed aside a very good West Ham side.

I would hope having seen the performances against Swansea and West Ham yesterday that Pulis will drop the intention of playing for 0-0s as we have seen previously.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 15, 2015, 02:47:14 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2015, 12:13:50 PM
I think Pulis is an expert in working with what he has, when Stoke got promoted, he had a squad of barely adequate players and adopted a style that suited players of limited technical ability (narrow pitch, long ball, very robust style, resolute defence), they stopped up.

We tried to play football with players of moderate ability, poor defensively and got found out and relegated.

Its a good man who knows his limitations.
exactly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 15, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on February 15, 2015, 02:34:02 PM
If performances like yesterday are what we come to expect throughout his tenure then he'll win the majority of the fan base over very quickly. Yesterday has everything I want to see from an Albion side - movement, intention, pace, passing, pressing - all of which produced some very entertaining football and brushed aside a very good West Ham side.

I would hope having seen the performances against Swansea and West Ham yesterday that Pulis will drop the intention of playing for 0-0s as we have seen previously.
i think that was experimental and not knowing fully what he has and playing it safe to get a point rather than get an hiding and deflate the teams morale
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 15, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
That's correct, he wanted/needed to bank some points asap.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2015, 05:17:05 PM
I would think TP is quite optimistic today, I think most of us felt, this was a squad capable of much better, it is better than squads of past seasons based on the number of internationals, with the quality of the academy this is a club that can do something in the next year or two
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albionden on February 15, 2015, 06:34:20 PM
noticeable improvement in fitness levels under TP , when we stared off the Swansea game pressing and chasing down I did wonder if we could maintain that for the full 90 mins . maybe this is one of the reasons dorrans isn't required any longer .
Has anyone else noticed that now we've started getting reults , opposition mangers have been making comments such as "we didn't turn up" or "our tempo wasn't up to it's normal level" etc ... ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2015, 06:39:46 PM
Quote from: albionden on February 15, 2015, 06:34:20 PM
noticeable improvement in fitness levels under TP , when we stared off the Swansea game pressing and chasing down I did wonder if we could maintain that for the full 90 mins . maybe this is one of the reasons dorrans isn't required any longer .
Has anyone else noticed that now we've started getting reults , opposition mangers have been making comments such as "we didn't turn up" or "our tempo wasn't up to it's normal level" etc ... ?

I know we have said similar in the past.

When Lee Travino was accused of being 'Lucky' He said "Funny thing is, the more I practice, the luckier I get".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on February 15, 2015, 06:42:39 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2015, 06:39:46 PM
I know we have said similar in the past.

When Lee Travino was accused of being 'Lucky' He said "Funny thing is, the more I practice, the luckier I get".

I thought Gary Player was accredited with that saying  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on February 15, 2015, 07:28:42 PM
We now have a manager who his at his peak, knows the premiership as good as any and is the best we could have ever hoped for and yesterdays match fills me with hope and excitement i have not felt for a long time.
Morrison is a different player as well as Brunt.
Dawson was very good and the pressing for the whole game was excellent.
Lets all get behind this bloke and stop looking for reasons to dislike him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on February 15, 2015, 07:49:28 PM
Quote from: albionden on February 15, 2015, 06:34:20 PM
noticeable improvement in fitness levels under TP , when we stared off the Swansea game pressing and chasing down I did wonder if we could maintain that for the full 90 mins . maybe this is one of the reasons dorrans isn't required any longer .
Has anyone else noticed that now we've started getting reults , opposition mangers have been making comments such as "we didn't turn up" or "our tempo wasn't up to it's normal level" etc ... ?
We have had this for years, both from opposition managers and fans, and the media.
We should have realised by now, we NEVER play well, the opposition are just p**s poor
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on February 15, 2015, 07:54:00 PM
Hopefully the comparisons, mentions and talk of 'hoofball' are binned now.

Pulis simply plays each game in the manner he see's fit to get the result required. It won't always work, but with the renewed determination, organisation and belief amongst the squad, if it doesn't wok one week, it will the next.

Complacency had set in. New gaffer, new coaching team, new captain, new ideas.

Let's hope we keep this up. Yesterday was the most I've enjoyed a game at home for a long, long time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2015, 08:00:17 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on February 15, 2015, 06:42:39 PM
I thought Gary Player was accredited with that saying  ;)

I read it in Lee Travino's book, having done a quick google search its not clear if it was Travino or Palmer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 15, 2015, 08:05:55 PM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on February 15, 2015, 07:54:00 PM
Let's hope we keep this up. Yesterday was the most I've enjoyed a game at home for a long, long time.

I echo this statement.

Tony Pulis and the boys set themselves a blueprint to match for the remainder of the season yesterday. That is the benchmark we've set.

Now is where we need to start hopefully adding some consistency to our game which has been long missing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on February 15, 2015, 08:08:00 PM
A few weeks ago I said to a friend wouldn't it be great for a change to watch us play well and win well . Yesterday was that day . Well done tp .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yardley on February 15, 2015, 08:21:51 PM
I think he just works with his strengths. At Stoke they were a big team with a good thrower and he played on that directness and followed it through, but at palace he had pace so played a counter attacking game. I'm not sure whats he's got at the Albion but he's seems to be finding the best out of them from yesterday's results as they all played brilliant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 15, 2015, 08:25:20 PM
Regarding his style at Stoke, he went on a training course in Europe the summer he was sacked and claimed to have studied different/various styles of football. Unlike Paul Lambert there seems to be some depth to what happened in Europe as his football since the trip has looked much better (Palace for instance).

I remember years ago Ian Holloway went away and studied football for a year or so and came back an improved manager, so it can and does happen and would explain why Pulis seems a more advanced manager beyond his Stoke days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 15, 2015, 08:53:15 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on February 15, 2015, 08:25:20 PM
I remember years ago Ian Holloway went away and studied football for a year or so and came back an improved manager, so it can and does happen
Although Holloway seems to have blown a gasket in the past couple of seasons!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on February 15, 2015, 08:56:52 PM
Quote from: Gilsey 56 on February 15, 2015, 07:28:42 PM
We now have a manager who his at his peak, knows the premiership as good as any and is the best we could have ever hoped for and yesterdays match fills me with hope and excitement i have not felt for a long time.
Morrison is a different player as well as Brunt.
Dawson was very good and the pressing for the whole game was excellent.
Lets all get behind this bloke and stop looking for reasons to dislike him.
Well said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 15, 2015, 09:22:27 PM
I do not think you can compare him with, anyone.
Tony Pulis is his own man.Like a Regimentaltal Sgt Major  RSM. He will be in charge and fill our platoon with a playing style that will win draw, and occasionally lose.
Personally I feel great to have him on board!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 16, 2015, 12:14:36 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on February 15, 2015, 08:25:20 PM
Regarding his style at Stoke, he went on a training course in Europe the summer he was sacked and claimed to have studied different/various styles of football. Unlike Paul Lambert there seems to be some depth to what happened in Europe as his football since the trip has looked much better (Palace for instance).

I remember years ago Ian Holloway went away and studied football for a year or so and came back an improved manager, so it can and does happen and would explain why Pulis seems a more advanced manager beyond his Stoke days.
you are right i remember I read that somewhere thats when he said he was going change Stoke style but he was fired well their loss or gain whatever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionwarrior on February 16, 2015, 01:05:41 AM
TP's results since he arrived

* 9 games played - 5 wins, 3 draws 1 defeat

* Goals for  ... 19

* Goals against  ... 7

* Whatever stats means .... yesterdays performance and result is a real high

* FA Cup Quarter Final .... and looks like we are on the up in the League

* Fletcher will be back for the Sunderland game .... but does Gardner deserve to be dropped?

* Bobby Brown now firing

* Solid disaplined defensive lines

I'd say the first 6 weeks have been a real success
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on February 16, 2015, 01:27:31 AM
Quote from: Albionwarrior on February 16, 2015, 01:05:41 AM
TP's results since he arrived

* 9 games played - 5 wins, 3 draws 1 defeat

* Goals for  ... 19

* Goals against  ... 7

* Whatever stats means .... yesterdays performance and result is a real high

* FA Cup Quarter Final .... and looks like we are on the up in the League

* Fletcher will be back for the Sunderland game .... but does Gardner deserve to be dropped?

* Bobby Brown now firing

* Solid disaplined defensive lines

I'd say the first 6 weeks have been a real success
Great decision to appoint him. Fletch in for me, offers us that leadership and quality on the ball, Gardner is however a good option to bring on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on February 16, 2015, 08:11:57 AM
really incouraging performances against swansea and WHU, however, TP says there are still things that 'drive him mad' any suggestions what he could be refering to?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 16, 2015, 08:49:42 AM
my long term concerns remain, however, my concern regarding "style" could be shoved up my proverbial if current performances continue.

I will be very, very happy to say i was wrong !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on February 16, 2015, 08:51:11 AM
Not had access to a PC for the last week, but I'm glad the pulisball myth has been disregarded. Got us playing some great football this week. Effective, without long balls, and goals from open play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 16, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Quote from: stanthesetter on February 16, 2015, 08:11:57 AM

really incouraging performances against swansea and WHU, however, TP says there are still things that 'drive hyim mad' any suggestions what he could be refering to?
For instance Lescott was defending a square with his arm way up in the air just begging the ball to brush it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 16, 2015, 09:34:18 AM
Quote from: stanthesetter on February 16, 2015, 08:11:57 AM
really incouraging performances against swansea and WHU, however, TP says there are still things that 'drive him mad' any suggestions what he could be refering to?
I think Yacob jumping in with two feet will not exactly please him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 16, 2015, 09:36:07 AM
Quote from: stanthesetter on February 16, 2015, 08:11:57 AM
really incouraging performances against swansea and WHU, however, TP says there are still things that 'drive him mad' any suggestions what he could be refering to?

He gave it to Dawson both barrels midway through the first half for a sloppy sideways pass to McAuley when he had options ahead of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on February 16, 2015, 09:37:22 AM
Quote from: stanthesetter on February 16, 2015, 08:11:57 AM
really incouraging performances against swansea and WHU, however, TP says there are still things that 'drive him mad' any suggestions what he could be refering to?

Simple passes going awry. I noticed Bobby copping a load after being caught offside even though he'd scored twice. TP wants EVERYTHING to be done right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 16, 2015, 09:42:46 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11414834/Tony-Pulis-is-as-old-school-as-they-come-but-his-methods-are-working-brilliantly-at-West-Brom.html

The stats are interesting in the above article. For someone whose only been in charge for nine matches, he's made a huge imapct - hopefully it continues!


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 16, 2015, 10:02:45 AM
Quote from: darbolina on February 16, 2015, 09:42:46 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11414834/Tony-Pulis-is-as-old-school-as-they-come-but-his-methods-are-working-brilliantly-at-West-Brom.html

The stats are interesting in the above article. For someone whose only been in charge for nine matches, he's made a huge imapct - hopefully it continues!

I am not knocking TP but as someone who likes a stat I have to point out that having a 7:0 walloping of a non-league outfit in the series rather skews the sample in his favour.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 16, 2015, 10:07:00 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 16, 2015, 10:02:45 AM
I am not knocking TP but as someone who likes a stat I have to point out that having a 7:0 walloping of a non-league outfit in the series rather skews the sample in his favour.
Particularly as he hadn't really taken over at that point!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 16, 2015, 10:16:04 AM
Best performance I have seen from an Albion team in some time and the first time I have enjoyed a home game since the Hodgson team (which probably had Steve Clarke in charge at the time but was before he started tinkering with the winning formula come November of that year).

What is the difference I wonder? Oh yes, we finally have an actual manager in charge now. I am hoping, come what may with Pulis, that Jeremy will at least learn his lesson from all of this, after appointing Clarke and Irvine and bringing in Mel who may have been the right man but it was certainly the wrong time, you need to appoint a manager at the top level as opposed to taking a gamble on a number 2 with a hope that, as a good coach, they can adapt into top level management.

Irvine hadn't got a clue quite frankly and it worried me the number of happy clappers around that were content to see him keep the job until the end of the season when he would have undoubtedly taken us down.

It also amazed me the amount of people against us appointing Pulis. I think his time in charge of Palace showed us, or it should have done, that he is not a long ball manager, he picks a system to suit the players at his disposal. He has probably taken 6 weeks to work out exactly how to play a system that is best for us and look at the results this week when it has clicked. More so, look at the performances, two of the best performances from us for years, Morrison is starting to look like a player again. I am one of Brunt's harshest critics (largely because he is not a left winger at this level or a central midfielder at any level, yet I have had to endure watching him play there for the last three seasons) but I must concede that he was fantastic on Saturday, his tackle led to the Morrison goal and Brown is a new man.

Long live the Pulis (in charge of the Albion at least).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 16, 2015, 10:17:28 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 16, 2015, 10:02:45 AM
I am not knocking TP but as someone who likes a stat I have to point out that having a 7:0 walloping of a non-league outfit in the series rather skews the sample in his favour.
We have only played one team in any sort of form or not missing key personnel under Pulis and got thumped by them. Having said that, we need the points and confidence before our run in as we may find the stats balance out by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 16, 2015, 10:22:57 AM
It seems that, at half-time against Burnley, he noticed that someone had left the hand brake on. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on February 16, 2015, 10:35:53 AM
Quote from: Londonbaggymike on February 16, 2015, 09:37:22 AM
Simple passes going awry. I noticed Bobby copping a load after being caught offside even though he'd scored twice. TP wants EVERYTHING to be done right.

I quite like this trait about him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 16, 2015, 11:47:01 AM
I sit behind Pulis and he was dishing out a positional rollocking to Gardner (I think it was) BEFORE we had kicked off !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albionden on February 16, 2015, 12:14:29 PM
if we can carry on improving the way we are , we wont be the pushover that we would have been under AI in that daunting run in at the end of the season . 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 16, 2015, 12:27:32 PM
 I was a bit shocked by the way we rolled over against spurs but the last two performances have been very impressive.
 I've never been a big fan of TP but if this continues in this vain he will win me over for sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 16, 2015, 12:36:33 PM
Thought we were superb on Saturday. What struck me was this wasn't anything like 'Pulisball' or even a variation of it at it's best. Yes some of the traits were there like like the hard work on and off the ball, strong in the tackle, first to every ball but with the ball we were excellent. The movement, 1 touch passing and interplay on show was really good to watch. I realise we can't play like that every week, but as long as we at least attempt to play like that most weeks and certainly in home games then there will be no complaints.

I think we have seen the results of having someone half decent in charge coupled with a large slice of fortune going our way. Without wanting to be negative if Pulis had his way we would of started the game with Cole up front and Ideye off in Qatar somewhere. If Anichebe hadn't got injured Brown might have had 5 or 10 mins in one of the games but would still almost certainly not be in the starting 11.

I still have major concerns about Pulis, both short and long term. I know people are looking at Saturday and now saying things along the lines of 'what was anyone complaining about' but we were absolute dross to watch in his first 6 weeks and 2 games against 2 of the leagues most out of form sides doesn't erase that. It is however a massive step in the right direction and I just hope Pulis has the courage to continue setting us up like that rather than reverting to type. It will be really interesting to see the team/formation/approach for the Sunderland game but I'd like to see him play the same side and tell them to go and play the exact same way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on February 16, 2015, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: tylerm on February 16, 2015, 11:47:01 AM
I sit behind Pulis and he was dishing out a positional rollocking to Gardner (I think it was) BEFORE we had kicked off !!


he wasn't rollocking the baggie bird was he ? :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 16, 2015, 01:23:52 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 16, 2015, 12:36:33 PM
Thought we were superb on Saturday. What struck me was this wasn't anything like 'Pulisball' or even a variation of it at it's best. Yes some of the traits were there like like the hard work on and off the ball, strong in the tackle, first to every ball but with the ball we were excellent. The movement, 1 touch passing and interplay on show was really good to watch. I realise we can't play like that every week, but as long as we at least attempt to play like that most weeks and certainly in home games then there will be no complaints.

I think we have seen the results of having someone half decent in charge coupled with a large slice of fortune going our way. Without wanting to be negative if Pulis had his way we would of started the game with Cole up front and Ideye off in Qatar somewhere. If Anichebe hadn't got injured Brown might have had 5 or 10 mins in one of the games but would still almost certainly not be in the starting 11.

I still have major concerns about Pulis, both short and long term. I know people are looking at Saturday and now saying things along the lines of 'what was anyone complaining about' but we were absolute dross to watch in his first 6 weeks and 2 games against 2 of the leagues most out of form sides doesn't erase that. It is however a massive step in the right direction and I just hope Pulis has the courage to continue setting us up like that rather than reverting to type. It will be really interesting to see the team/formation/approach for the Sunderland game but I'd like to see him play the same side and tell them to go and play the exact same way.

But you cant expect any manager to come in and things change instantly
Its been a gradual process and has actually started to change quicker than I anticipated
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 16, 2015, 02:41:19 PM
Personally I don't think there was any excuse for playing the way we did at Burnley or Everton.

I'm really interested in how we set up on Saturday, I think it will tell us a lot about how we're going to approach the majority of games under Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on February 16, 2015, 02:57:29 PM
Pulis is not a one trick pony. He adjusts his tactics depending on the opposition. I thought our performance against Everton was first class. The point we gained there could prove the difference between us staying up or going down. Why do fans keep knocking Pulis? He is doing a superb job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 16, 2015, 03:17:35 PM
I think he can be a one trick pony but he has shown he can be more versatile. A lot of it depends on how much he backs himself to succeed playing a more expansive game. I do wonder if we would of approached the game the same way if it was a league match (I'd like to think he would)

We don't need to go all out from the first minute against Sunderland but we need to take the initiative and not just react to what they do whilst playing for a 0-0. We should now be full on confidence and can described as on a good run. On the flip side they should have no confidence, are on a poor run, the fans are turning on them and Poyet is under big pressure. Set up like we did on Saturday and take the game to them, but if we set up like we did against Burnley or Everton we will likely lose.

I think Saturday will tell us a lot
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on February 16, 2015, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: royhan on February 16, 2015, 02:57:29 PM
Pulis is not a one trick pony. He adjusts his tactics depending on the opposition. I thought our performance against Everton was first class. The point we gained there could prove the difference between us staying up or going down. Why do fans keep knocking Pulis? He is doing a superb job.

Absolutely right, Pulis was under immense pressure to stop the rot and get points on the board quickly. The way we set up at Everton was just out of sheer necessity to get a valuable point. TP wasn't afforded the luxury of time, he needed a result. As another poster mentioned earlier, for TP to get what looks a great balance to the side and to play such positive,creative, attractive, passing football in the space of 6 weeks is a great achievement. It shows too that we are not just reliant on set pieces that some people worried we would be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on February 16, 2015, 06:48:22 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 16, 2015, 03:17:35 PM
I think he can be a one trick pony but he has shown he can be more versatile. A lot of it depends on how much he backs himself to succeed playing a more expansive game. I do wonder if we would of approached the game the same way if it was a league match (I'd like to think he would)

We don't need to go all out from the first minute against Sunderland but we need to take the initiative and not just react to what they do whilst playing for a 0-0. We should now be full on confidence and can described as on a good run. On the flip side they should have no confidence, are on a poor run, the fans are turning on them and Poyet is under big pressure. Set up like we did on Saturday and take the game to them, but if we set up like we did against Burnley or Everton we will likely lose.

I think Saturday will tell us a lot

We approached the Swansea game in a similar way
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 16, 2015, 10:55:44 PM
If Tony can mastermind a win in the cup against the Seals we'll have to build him a statue. Please, please, please!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 17, 2015, 07:36:19 AM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on February 16, 2015, 10:55:44 PM
If Tony can mastermind a win in the cup against the Seals we'll have to build him a statue. Please, please, please!

hear hear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Delfzijl Baggie on February 17, 2015, 07:39:31 AM
Very impressed with Pulis. When AI got the sack (and rightly so) there was only one man who could guide us to safety and that man was Pulis. I don't think he'll let us down. With Pulis at the helm we will stay up!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on February 17, 2015, 08:06:43 AM
I do hope that TP will very quickly realise the level of passion and sheer emotion surrounding the villa game(s). Form etc. is going to go out of the window, will he get what it means to us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 17, 2015, 08:41:54 AM
I hope TP is grounded enough to forget the Villa games, we've got two very important games before we even think about the Villa.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on February 17, 2015, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 17, 2015, 08:41:54 AM
I hope TP is grounded enough to forget the Villa games, we've got two very important games before we even think about the Villa.

Yes, fair point!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 17, 2015, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 17, 2015, 08:41:54 AM
I hope TP is grounded enough to forget the Villa games, we've got two very important games before we even think about the Villa.

He will be, but when those games do come around I imagine he'll have us ready.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on February 17, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 17, 2015, 08:41:54 AM
I hope TP is grounded enough to forget the Villa games, we've got two very important games before we even think about the Villa.

mate, I don't think you could get anymore grounded than Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 17, 2015, 04:36:55 PM
I agree.
It's funny because yesterday I was listening to Tim Sherwood's interview with Tom Ross (it will be online) and he's naturally just a very arrogant person. He barely mentioned the threat of relegation and was outlining his plans to do after he kept them up, it was all very confident.
I remember when Pulis came he was saying how hard it would be and we needed complete unity. I'm not bashing Sherwood but he barely mentioned the tough nature of the job in hand, almost as if he thinks it will be easy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 21, 2015, 06:47:10 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 17, 2015, 08:41:54 AM
I hope TP is grounded enough to forget the Villa games, we've got two very important games before we even think about the Villa.
Villa talk banned by Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on February 21, 2015, 10:23:20 AM
would you agree that historically the prem is littered with situations where players could have gone, managers could have gone, (fergie was close to being sacked just before he built the M.U. dynasty ), my point is there is a lot of luck involved, managers surely are never as good or bad as they are made out to be. who was it that said 'better to be lucky than good' ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on February 21, 2015, 10:26:59 AM
guys I've posted the last remarks on the wrong thread, sorry if you wonder what i'm on about !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 21, 2015, 12:42:28 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on February 17, 2015, 04:36:55 PM
I agree.
It's funny because yesterday I was listening to Tim Sherwood's interview with Tom Ross (it will be online) and he's naturally just a very arrogant person. He barely mentioned the threat of relegation and was outlining his plans to do after he kept them up, it was all very confident.
I remember when Pulis came he was saying how hard it would be and we needed complete unity. I'm not bashing Sherwood but he barely mentioned the tough nature of the job in hand, almost as if he thinks it will be easy.

I always find it amusing to count how many times Sherwood mentions the word 'I' in an interview. Turn it into a drinking game and everyone would be staggeringly drunk within a couple of minutes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on February 22, 2015, 12:28:46 AM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on February 21, 2015, 12:42:28 PM
I always find it amusing to count how many times Sherwood mentions the word 'I' in an interview. Turn it into a drinking game and everyone would be staggeringly drunk within a couple of minutes.

I think his sleepless night tonight give him an indication of the job in hand. So glad we went for Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on February 22, 2015, 11:26:43 AM
I used to hate coming up against Pulis, everyone knows the man knows how to get results, I love having him on our side now, fills me with alot of confidence going into games, even more so against the team around us. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 22, 2015, 11:30:06 AM
He is a "grinder".
It was what we needed at the time.
Have to see what the future holds, as and when, he can choose his players in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie_1 on March 01, 2015, 08:20:56 AM
Since tony pulis has arrived a lot of other fans have slated the way we play football. I can honestly say that I like the way we are playing at the moment and I don't see any similarities to the way stoke played when he was there as that was just hoof football. Just curious as to what others thought to way we play football now.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on March 01, 2015, 08:39:40 AM
If this man had arrived from Mars and no-one had heard of him there wouldn't be one dissenting voice. Because Pulis has a record he arrived here and some people had pre-conceived ideas about who he was and what he was about and those people will look at any negative in order to save face. It's a pride thing and an in denial thing.

Pulis has been brilliant for this club so far, absolutely brilliant. End of story. Those that moan ....................... well, there will always be some whatever happens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionwarrior on March 01, 2015, 08:47:41 AM
Here is an interesting comparison between Roy's record compared to Tony's after 7 games

Roy .... 3 wins, 3 Draws & 1 Loss ... F13, A11 ... Points gained 12
Tony ... 3 wins, 3 Draws & 1 Loss ... F6, A5 ...... Points gained 12

In Roy's remaining 5 games of the 2010/11 season his results were:-

   2 wins, 2 Draws & 1 Loss .... F9, A9 .... Points gained 8, Giving total 20 over 12 games

If Tony gets 8 points from the next 5 games think it deserves to be measured against Roy's record doesn't it .... Oh and I think we all loved Roy didn't we?

Plus he had no FA Cup to bother about did he?

So with Stoke, QPR & Leicester at Home & Villa & Man City Away .... he might even beat Roy Hodgson's record (Apart from maybe Goals scored .... +22, but I bet he won't concede -20 .... Oh and I would have a small bet that he would have a better goal difference than +2 over the 12 games)

In my book, if it comes off would put him above Roy's record .... wouldn't it?

Just my opinion ........ Must get myself a Cap, tracksuit and new white trainers now !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Atomic on March 01, 2015, 08:39:40 AM
If this man had arrived from Mars and no-one had heard of him there wouldn't be one dissenting voice. Because Pulis has a record he arrived here and some people had pre-conceived ideas about who he was and what he was about and those people will look at any negative in order to save face. It's a pride thing and an in denial thing.

Pulis has been brilliant for this club so far, absolutely brilliant. End of story. Those that moan ....................... well, there will always be some whatever happens.

Thats absolute rubbish. The away games have been unwatchable, the 'football' has been awful and if we are doing the same in 12 months time (which we very likely will be) the. I suspect a large number of the people who enjoy/tolerate the away games at the moment (I'd say I just about tolerate it short term) will of had enough.

At home we have been very good in 2 games and got the result in 2 others. Spurs was awful.

It's been a very positive start in terms of results since Pulis came in, he's probably 3 points better off than I thought he would be but I havn't seen anyone moaning at his record before or after his appointment. The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up. Id had very strong ideas about Pulis and he's lived up to every single one of them both negative and positive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on March 01, 2015, 09:14:14 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 09:01:38 AM
Thats absolute rubbish. The away games have been unwatchable, the 'football' has been awful and if we are doing the same in 12 months time (which we very likely will be) the. I suspect a large number of the people who enjoy/tolerate the away games at the moment (I'd say I just about tolerate it short term) will of had enough.

At home we have been very good in 2 games and got the result in 2 others. Spurs was awful.

It's been a very positive start in terms of results since Pulis came in, he's probably 3 points better off than I thought he would be but I havn't seen anyone moaning at his record before or after his appointment. The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up. Id had very strong ideas about Pulis and he's lived up to every single one of them both negative and positive.


No it's you that is talking rubbish. You get no points for playing any particular style of football. /You get points for getting results. Pulis took over a club that was going down under Irvine and so far has turned it round to the extent where we hardly ever lose and hardly ever conced. They are the facts and the facts are what count. Anything else is down to personal preference and that doesn't get you a single point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 01, 2015, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Atomic on March 01, 2015, 09:14:14 AM

No it's you that is talking rubbish. You get no points for playing any particular style of football. /You get points for getting results. Pulis took over a club that was going down under Irvine and so far has turned it round to the extent where we hardly ever lose and hardly ever conced. They are the facts and the facts are what count. Anything else is down to personal preference and that doesn't get you a single point.

I agree totally, people are still clinging on to an 'Albion Way' myth, the only 'Albion Way' we had was heading straight into the championship and league one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 01, 2015, 09:26:02 AM
Quote from: baggie_1 on March 01, 2015, 08:20:56 AM
Since tony pulis has arrived a lot of other fans have slated the way we play football. I can honestly say that I like the way we are playing at the moment and I don't see any similarities to the way stoke played when he was there as that was just hoof football. Just curious as to what others thought to way we play football now.....

I'm happy with the way it's all going to be honest, we are 2/3 wins from safety, an off season where he can improve the squad again. The style of football has suited each match to get the desired points on the board. For example we knew The Saints would come at us and give us a hiding if we made the game open and flowing, so we stopped them playing and closed it up. We won simple as that, no fluke, no luck, we had a game plan and it worked. At least we have a gameplan now because we havn't had one since Roy was in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 01, 2015, 09:34:18 AM
TP was given a remit to keep us in the PL - thats the task in hand & he's doing a good job of it so far! There's still a way to go but it's looking better for us! That's the bottom line for this season!
Maybe some of the doubters may be appeased when next season starts when TP has had a pre-season & got a few more players in! Best to judge things then, as this season is all about surviving, some may not agree with the greed league scenario but thats how it is & its where the money is! (& its where I want my Albion to be!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 01, 2015, 09:41:20 AM
Quote from: Atomic on March 01, 2015, 08:39:40 AM
If this man had arrived from Mars and no-one had heard of him there wouldn't be one dissenting voice. Because Pulis has a record he arrived here and some people had pre-conceived ideas about who he was and what he was about and those people will look at any negative in order to save face. It's a pride thing and an in denial thing.

Pulis has been brilliant for this club so far, absolutely brilliant. End of story. Those that moan ....................... well, there will always be some whatever happens.

That seems spot on to me.

A lot of it will come from the Mowbray/Lepowski days. With the Mowbray = Great football and Pulis = Horrible football articles every time they played each other. Followed up by Pulis bringing Stoke to The Hawthorns and walking away with the 3 points  ;D

If Pulis didn't have a good record against West Brom I can't see him being as disliked as he was online.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on March 01, 2015, 09:44:23 AM
Quote from: Atomic on March 01, 2015, 09:14:14 AM

No it's you that is talking rubbish. You get no points for playing any particular style of football. /You get points for getting results. Pulis took over a club that was going down under Irvine and so far has turned it round to the extent where we hardly ever lose and hardly ever conced. They are the facts and the facts are what count. Anything else is down to personal preference and that doesn't get you a single point.

Yep spot on fella

Some of the football played had been some of the best stuff I've seen in a long time. People will always moan because they have a right to do so and can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionwarrior on March 01, 2015, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 09:01:38 AM
Thats absolute rubbish. The away games have been unwatchable, the 'football' has been awful and if we are doing the same in 12 months time (which we very likely will be) the. I suspect a large number of the people who enjoy/tolerate the away games at the moment (I'd say I just about tolerate it short term) will of had enough.

At home we have been very good in 2 games and got the result in 2 others. Spurs was awful.

It's been a very positive start in terms of results since Pulis came in, he's probably 3 points better off than I thought he would be but I havn't seen anyone moaning at his record before or after his appointment. The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up. Id had very strong ideas about Pulis and he's lived up to every single one of them both negative and positive.

I think the underlying point was Tony Pulis was brought in first and foremost to keep us up, due to his track record at Palace the previous season, exactly as the thought process was with bringing in Roy Hodgson (To save us because RDM was going to get us relegated similar to AI).

At the end of the day, we wanted to keep Roy, but England came calling and we lost him.

Lets be brutally honest, with the money and the way the Premier League operates, if we progress further than mid table, any season, all our best players and manager will be poached (i.e Southampton) .... (i.e Bryan Robson in 1981) and we will initially start in a downward spiral.

We are and always will be a top mid table team at best and the kind of manager to cement that is a Tony Pulis type person ... We are doing the best we can, and who knows we may get a few better players in during the summer and enjoy them for a season / maybe two ... and if we continue to be successful they will be moved on or poached ..... That's life in West Bromwich Albions world.

Still that's what makes this forum so good INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS  ... "They are like backsides ... everybodys got one"  ..... Including me :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 01, 2015, 10:19:41 AM
Quote from: Atomic on March 01, 2015, 08:39:40 AM
If this man had arrived from Mars and no-one had heard of him there wouldn't be one dissenting voice. Because Pulis has a record he arrived here and some people had pre-conceived ideas about who he was and what he was about and those people will look at any negative in order to save face. It's a pride thing and an in denial thing.

Pulis has been brilliant for this club so far, absolutely brilliant. End of story. Those that moan ....................... well, there will always be some whatever happens.
Spot on! Remember the Mowbray days when opposition managers would praise our football after turning us over! Carry on TP manager who knows his business,with you all the way!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Big Al on March 01, 2015, 10:27:24 AM
Surely TP has done exactly what was needed for this season so far. If he is still here next season ! Then you would hope for more attacking intent in some away games. Will JP do enough in the transfer season to keep him is still very much an open question in my view. We have a woeful record for very late deals in summer nd TP will want to drill the whole squad during pre season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionwarrior on March 01, 2015, 10:32:19 AM
I think with what happened at Palace, when TP just walked away, if JP doesn't give him what he wants (within reason) ..... he will be gone (again) ... lets hope there is an outbreak of 'Common Sense'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on March 01, 2015, 10:39:07 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-tweaked-west-bromwich-8744048?

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 "Pulis Football" - noun

Having a Plan B and C for when it is needed.
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Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: Atomic on March 01, 2015, 09:14:14 AM

No it's you that is talking rubbish. You get no points for playing any particular style of football. /You get points for getting results. Pulis took over a club that was going down under Irvine and so far has turned it round to the extent where we hardly ever lose and hardly ever conced. They are the facts and the facts are what count. Anything else is down to personal preference and that doesn't get you a single point.

But as far as I'm aware nobody has ever posted on here saying Pulis wont bring us points if keep us up. Even his biggest critics (if you can call them that) were always of the opinion he would keep us up and probably comfortably. So nobody is arguing against the fact that in terms of points/results he's done a very good job as nearly everyone thought he would and as everyone would agree he has.

The point im making is your saying anyone with a pre conceived idea of Pulis and his methods was clearly wrong, was talking rubbish, has been made to look silly and if they still think any of those things they're moaning for the sake of it.

Out of interest which of the following do you disagree with?

The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up

You cant seem to separate the result from the performance. If to you it doesn't matter in the slightest then thats great for you but to me and many others Im sure it does. And before we go in to the whole tiresome 'good football gets you relegated look at Mowbrays team' I'm not asking for all out attack 80 passes before each goal football, but I want more than 10 men behind the ball and 0 shots in away games especially against the poor opposition we have faced so far.

If Pulis or another manager came in and played like this to keep us up before progressing the style next season I'd have no issue whatsoever with it, but we are playing this way because it's how Pulis plays full stop and it wont be any different next year or the year after no matter how much money he does/doesnt have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 01, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 10:41:08 AM


The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up


Ironically the only cheating I've seen is Sessegnon going down very easily. He went down very easily against Gateshead too for the first goal of the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on March 01, 2015, 10:56:32 AM
Quote from: Albionwarrior on March 01, 2015, 10:32:19 AM
I think with what happened at Palace, when TP just walked away, if JP doesn't give him what he wants (within reason) ..... he will be gone (again) ... lets hope there is an outbreak of 'Common Sense'

I hope any further purchases by Pulis are better than McManaman because I am sure our wide midfielders in the U18's and U21's would make a better fist of things than him.

I also think the name of this thread is wrong, everyone ends up talking about the results (which have been brilliant for us) and not the 'football',  apart from Fosters massive hoof's which go through to the opposing keeper the football was generally pretty good, balls cleared into touch when under pressure or cleared upfield by a big kick, fair enough.  However we played some decent moves out of defence into midfield, players got into some excellent positions to carry the moves into attacks only to be let down by  some of the worst passing game in the last third that I have seen under quite a few of our recent managers/coaches.

So all in all the Pulis Football is ok, it boils down to the players doing their jobs to the best of their ability, after all Pulis can't come on the field and pass the ball for them (although at times it looks like he might run out at any time) he's that animated in the technical area.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 01, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
But as far as I'm aware nobody has ever posted on here saying Pulis wont bring us points if keep us up. Even his biggest critics (if you can call them that) were always of the opinion he would keep us up and probably comfortably. So nobody is arguing against the fact that in terms of points/results he's done a very good job as nearly everyone thought he would and as everyone would agree he has.

The point im making is your saying anyone with a pre conceived idea of Pulis and his methods was clearly wrong, was talking rubbish, has been made to look silly and if they still think any of those things they're moaning for the sake of it.

Out of interest which of the following do you disagree with?

The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up

You cant seem to separate the result from the performance. If to you it doesn't matter in the slightest then thats great for you but to me and many others Im sure it does. And before we go in to the whole tiresome 'good football gets you relegated look at Mowbrays team' I'm not asking for all out attack 80 passes before each goal football, but I want more than 10 men behind the ball and 0 shots in away games especially against the poor opposition we have faced so far.

If Pulis or another manager came in and played like this to keep us up before progressing the style next season I'd have no issue whatsoever with it, but we are playing this way because it's how Pulis plays full stop and it wont be any different next year or the year after no matter how much money he does/doesnt have.

It's a results game as far as I'm aware, results keep you in the premier, results keep the money to coming in to able to try and compete in the premier, results attract better players to the club.

On your final point we are playing that way because that's the quality of player we have at the moment, Pulis is playing the tactics that he is as that's the way he sees best of getting results out of the players we have got.

I think you better go and support Barcelona if you want to watch a nice bit of football every week. Because for me, I want to stay in the premiership and the manager has my full support to do it any which way he can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 11:19:51 AM
Quote from: Sessegod on March 01, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
It's a results game as far as I'm aware, results keep you in the premier, results keep the money to coming in to able to try and compete in the premier, results attract better players to the club.

On your final point we are playing that way because that's the quality of player we have at the moment, Pulis is playing the tactics that he is as that's the way he sees best of getting results out of the players we have got.

I think you better go and support Barcelona if you want to watch a nice bit of football every week. Because for me, I want to stay in the premiership and the manager has my full support to do it any which way he can.

Why does anyone who puts on here that they want to see some sort of attacking intent in games nearly always get a response similar to yours of 'go and watch Barcelona' as if it's ludicrous to to expect anything other than 10 men behind the ball away to Burnley

We are not playing this way because of the quality of player we have, its because thats how Pulis wants us to play. We've seen in games like Swansea and especially against West Ham this team is more than capable of playing very good football when we take the handbrake off whilst still retaining many of Pulis more admirable traits of being solid and hard to beat.

Yesterday was an excellent result. Even if Southampton are a bit out of form nobody can dispute that. But time wasting after 25 minutes? It was embarrassing and more importantly it wasn't needed. The title of the thread was Pulis Football not Pulis Results which are two different things.

The hypocrisy on here is remarkable. People can write what they want now but I don't remember many on here 6 years ago wanting Mowbray out, just like I dont remember many positive Pulis comments as he cheated and bullied and kicked his way through another season. Now everyones always been a huge fan of Pulis style and if you like attractive football you get a sneery comment about Mowbray. I guess nobody on here was at the Blackburn game in 2009 either.

Any manager will always get my support, but I'd love to see some of the posts some posters made back when Mowbray was with us and compare it to the comments being made now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 01, 2015, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 11:19:51 AM
Why does anyone who puts on here that they want to see some sort of attacking intent in games nearly always get a response similar to yours of 'go and watch Barcelona' as if it's ludicrous to to expect anything other than 10 men behind the ball away to Burnley

We are not playing this way because of the quality of player we have, its because thats how Pulis wants us to play. We've seen in games like Swansea and especially against West Ham this team is more than capable of playing very good football when we take the handbrake off whilst still retaining many of Pulis more admirable traits of being solid and hard to beat.

Yesterday was an excellent result. Even if Southampton are a bit out of form nobody can dispute that. But time wasting after 25 minutes? It was embarrassing and more importantly it wasn't needed. The title of the thread was Pulis Football not Pulis Results which are two different things.

The hypocrisy on here is remarkable. People can write what they want now but I don't remember many on here 6 years ago wanting Mowbray out, just like I dont remember many positive Pulis comments as he cheated and bullied and kicked his way through another season. Now everyones always been a huge fan of Pulis style and if you like attractive football you get a sneery comment about Mowbray. I guess nobody on here was at the Blackburn game in 2009 either.

Any manager will always get my support, but I'd love to see some of the posts some posters made back when Mowbray was with us and compare it to the comments being made now
Give the man a chance to change the way we approach away games at least he deserves that.How on earth you could make a prediction on our style of play for the future is beyond me when for the millionth time the man insist we are a far way from what he desires.I have not seen any Hoofball yet as was highly anticipated.Some people will never like Pulis even if we took the treble.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 01, 2015, 05:13:13 PM
Any Head Coach should be given time but ultimately without results a Coach is not going to be given enough time to really judge . Pulis to his credit has delivered results in the short term and the performances have not all been dour. Given the brief of keeping us in the division grinding out results by any means possible is perfectly acceptable to most supporters.

Assuming that he does keep us up this year the next step is a closed season which will see him work with squad and start to shape it. At that point we will start to see his long term plan. There is one thing that is fairly certain is that the players that he has available to him will not improve dramatically they might better suited to his style of play but they will not be better players.

If at that point we have a squad that is long on centre halves and short of flair and we routinely park the bus away from home regardless of the opposition then we have to conclude that is the way he wants it or believes that given the limitations of his squad that is the best way to achieve his prime objective survival in the Premier League.

How long attritional football remains acceptable to the fans is debatable, while we crave a bit of stability and critically we get results then I very much doubt committed fans (i.e. most posters on this board) will find much fault. Whether the less committed casual supporter is lured to the Hawthorns by it is a different matter. In terms of progress I am not sure it will take us anywhere other than a slightly more secure perch in the Premier League. That might be the limit and with the odd tilt at a Cup to spice life up that might be a decent place to be even if the football is a little bit dour.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 01, 2015, 05:31:02 PM
Think a few on here are totally misinterpreting the Burnley and Sunderland performances. Irvine had left us in such a position it was vital not to lose those games. The way Pulis knows not to lose games is park the bus. A point was totally acceptable from both in any manner because it prevented the opposition gaining any ground on us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on March 01, 2015, 05:52:29 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
but I want more than 10 men behind the ball and 0 shots in away games especially against the poor opposition we have faced so far.

If Pulis or another manager came in and played like this to keep us up before progressing the style next season I'd have no issue whatsoever with it, but we are playing this way because it's how Pulis plays full stop and it wont be any different next year or the year after no matter how much money he does/doesnt have.

Strange comment since his Palace team won 4 away games in the league last season PLUS a win at the Hawthorns in the Cup?

Not bad for someone whose teams play with no attacking intent away from home!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 01, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on March 01, 2015, 05:52:29 PM
Strange comment since his Palace team won 4 away games in the league last season PLUS a win at the Hawthorns in the Cup?

Not bad for someone whose teams play with no attacking intent away from home!
Exactly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on March 01, 2015, 06:46:54 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on March 01, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
It's a results game as far as I'm aware, results keep you in the premier, results keep the money to coming in to able to try and compete in the premier, results attract better players to the club.

On your final point we are playing that way because that's the quality of player we have at the moment, Pulis is playing the tactics that he is as that's the way he sees best of getting results out of the players we have got.

I think you better go and support Barcelona if you want to watch a nice bit of football every week. Because for me, I want to stay in the premiership and the manager has my full support to do it any which way he can.
I think that just about sums it up mate.
How the hell can anybody mention Mowbray in the same breath as Pulis.
Can anybody remember the way we defended and the football we played.
They trained on a 5 aside pitch with no goals and thats how we played on the pitchalways in front of the opposition ,never going nowhere.
We did play well in the championship but when we played in the prem he was out of his depth, like irvine i'm sorry to say.
Lets enjoy the moment and hope for some good signings in the summer.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on March 01, 2015, 08:29:17 PM
The big picture is, if he wasn't here we'd be in the bottom 3 and not still in the fa cup.
Me personally, I will embrace Pulis being head coach and couldn't give a f@@k that a few people on here can't appriciate it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Oldbaggie on March 01, 2015, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: weareblueweare white on March 01, 2015, 08:29:17 PM
The big picture is, if he wasn't here we'd be in the bottom 3 and not still in the fa cup.
Me personally, I will embrace Pulis being head coach and couldn't give a f@@k that a few people on here can't appriciate it.
Well said
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2015, 06:43:08 AM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on March 01, 2015, 05:52:29 PM
Strange comment since his Palace team won 4 away games in the league last season PLUS a win at the Hawthorns in the Cup?

Not bad for someone whose teams play with no attacking intent away from home!
Pulis is good at what he does which is not losing football matches. At Palace he took over an Ian Holloway team full of attacking intent and made them defensively stronger. They parted company when over transfer policy and Palace concerns about backing his direction for the club. As someone pointed out, he has been a coach for donkeys years and has created his own brand of football. Pulisball exists, it isn't pretty but it is effective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2015, 07:31:04 AM
I don't care if his football is very effective rather than very attractive, I want to have his babies! :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on March 02, 2015, 07:39:12 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
But as far as I'm aware nobody has ever posted on here saying Pulis wont bring us points if keep us up. Even his biggest critics (if you can call them that) were always of the opinion he would keep us up and probably comfortably. So nobody is arguing against the fact that in terms of points/results he's done a very good job as nearly everyone thought he would and as everyone would agree he has.

The point im making is your saying anyone with a pre conceived idea of Pulis and his methods was clearly wrong, was talking rubbish, has been made to look silly and if they still think any of those things they're moaning for the sake of it.

Out of interest which of the following do you disagree with?

The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up

You cant seem to separate the result from the performance. If to you it doesn't matter in the slightest then thats great for you but to me and many others Im sure it does. And before we go in to the whole tiresome 'good football gets you relegated look at Mowbrays team' I'm not asking for all out attack 80 passes before each goal football, but I want more than 10 men behind the ball and 0 shots in away games especially against the poor opposition we have faced so far.

If Pulis or another manager came in and played like this to keep us up before progressing the style next season I'd have no issue whatsoever with it, but we are playing this way because it's how Pulis plays full stop and it wont be any different next year or the year after no matter how much money he does/doesnt have.

Firstly we haven't had away games under Pulis where we haven't registered a shot at goal (five at Sunderland), so that's an exaggeration. Plus we must also recognise other teams are as desperate for points as we are. We may well have wanted to attack more in the Sunderland game but we could have just had a bad day at the office passing, and attacking wise. The good thing is that even with a bad day at the office, Pulis will make sure we're so organised at the back that if we don't concede we get an away point. Also, these away points really do start to add up when you back them up with wins at home. The win against Southampton isn't to be took lightly. They have a very impressive squad, with a fair bit more of an attacking threat than we have.

You can't judge Pulis on what he might or might not do in the future. Ask any Palace fan about what he brought to them and how optimistic they were for this season had he stayed with them. He's adaptable and pragmatic, not dour and dull. He gets points by implementing the tactics required for each individual game. Sometimes it won't be champagne football but trust me he can get this team and already has got this team playing some lovely stuff at times.

Would you risk losing Pulis and his apparent 'style' for potentially another manager coming in who wants to play pretty football more often but may not get the same results? I wouldn't!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on March 02, 2015, 08:55:20 AM
I expect he'll park the bus against Villa tomorrow as well, especially as Saido and Bobby are probably out.  Its the same principle as Sunderland; games are running out fast and denying Villa 2 points is probably almost as important as getting something ourselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 02, 2015, 09:06:03 AM
Win our home games and draw our away games and that's 76 points per season - Champions League form!  We only need to achieve 50% of that to get 38 points and safety.

Its not a bad objective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on March 02, 2015, 09:36:53 AM
Football hasn't always been pretty and I've said it a few times, but it's effective. Give me the feeling of three points winning ugly than zero points playing beautifully any day. Win points you go up the league positions, go up the league positions and you build a reputation and bring in more money, use the money and better reputation you attract better players, attract better players and you play better football.

Anyone think a team struggling to get points is going to bring in players who play beautiful football?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on March 02, 2015, 10:09:14 AM
Winning is more fun than losing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on March 02, 2015, 11:41:50 AM
Whilst winning, you can build a team and a club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on March 02, 2015, 11:52:33 AM
Having started out not wholly enamoured with Pulis, I find myself very firmly in his camp at present. The turnaround in our team has been phenomenal.

I watched the Everton game, and while we weren't pretty we were very effective, and while the Spurs game was dire, the performances against Swansea and West Ham were bloody outstanding. Last Saturday we came up against a very good side. Okay, they have been struggling for form but we never gave them anything and the Pelle chance aside I don't think they made a clear cut chance, whereas we could have had at least two more goals with slightly better finishing. And you know what, I like seeing Albion looking mean and hard to beat, I've had a bellyful of being pretty and getting hammered, added to which it's a great feeling to be approaching games with confidence, not dreading going.

As many gave said, ask the team's below us if they'd like to swap their style of play and points total for ours.

Pulis set out to rebuild a side low on confidence and belief. He started that by making them hard to score against and build from there. So far the plan is working.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionwarrior on March 02, 2015, 12:05:56 PM
Quote from: Chipperfan on March 02, 2015, 11:52:33 AM
Having started out not wholly enamoured with Pulis, I find myself very firmly in his camp at present. The turnaround in our team has been phenomenal.

I watched the Everton game, and while we weren't pretty we were very effective, and while the Spurs game was dire, the performances against Swansea and West Ham were bloody outstanding. Last Saturday we came up against a very good side. Okay, they have been struggling for form but we never gave them anything and the Pelle chance aside I don't think they made a clear cut chance, whereas we could have had at least two more goals with slightly better finishing. And you know what, I like seeing Albion looking mean and hard to beat, I've had a bellyful of being pretty and getting hammered, added to which it's a great feeling to be approaching games with confidence, not dreading going.

As many gave said, ask the team's below us if they'd like to swap their style of play and points total for ours.

Pulis set out to rebuild a side low on confidence and belief. He started that by making them hard to score against and build from there. So far the plan is working.

I'm in the Chipperfan court
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on March 02, 2015, 12:20:21 PM
another thing is Pulis is having to do this with a fairly limited squad.

we have needed good full backs for 2 seasons now and we still don't have any decent ones (although Pocognoli started well)

we have a team that for the second season running is seriously lacking in pace which effects us trying to play counter attacking football that we did so well under Hodgson and the first year of Steve Clarke.

for Pulis to be getting the results he is with this squad shows the quality he has as a manager/coach. he has got a team spirit amongst the players that is so evident on the pitch which is something I haven't seen for a while.

yes the football at times may not be the most exciting we've had or 'the albion way' but football now especially with the new tv deals is about surviving in the league first and foremost, if we have to nick a scrappy goal at times and park the bus for 90 minutes each week to ensure we hit the magical 40 point mark then so be it.

I'd love for us to be entertained week in week out home and away like we were under Mowbray in the championship but I'd rather us have 3 points than 0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on March 02, 2015, 12:40:55 PM
We asked for stability at the club, nice football, and results. And I'd say we've had a bit of everything. The negativity around not bringing in new faces over January melted away when the players we do have started battling for the team. The negativity built up over not getting points melted away when we started getting them.

From the outside (and in parts inside) we don't look like we are suddenly a thousand times better than we were, we are just playing with a bit more confidence and a bit more belief, both in the stands and on the pitch. And as good a job as Pulis is doing, can anyone say it's looked difficult to get where we are now? It's been a quick, smooth and enjoyable transition - no saviour January signing, no sudden cash injection to get us out the poo. Just hard work and instilling a new lease of life into us.

It's looking better and I know I speak for many of us when I say that it's much more enjoyable going to games now. And that horrible streak of games we have at the end of the season? Not so scary now in my opinion.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on March 02, 2015, 01:54:58 PM
 totally agree with PsalmXXIII, HOME performances have been enjoyable, did anyone watch Chelsea yesterday?, ..hard working off the ball, organized, difficult to break down and central defenders scoring from set piece..and their the best team in the land.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on March 02, 2015, 04:42:36 PM
I think we endured a really professional, cynical performance on Saturday.  We were wasting time from the 5th minute.  From that point we set out to stop Southampton from scoring - rather than scoring ourselves.  The reward was 3 points, and going 8 points ahead of vile and the relegation zone.

Some of those elements are really important for us to take forward, I don't think we've been cynical professionals for a long time, and arguing with the referee over every decision wasn't in our locker either.  The fact that our recent teams have lacked this talent is every bit as remiss as the poor defending under Mowbray.  (When we passed the ball around until is reached the weakest link - usually Donk or Barnett - at which point the pass would be misplaced and the opposition would score on the break.)

What I'm hoping for is (finally) a good summer in the transfer market and a much better team that doesn't have to rely on such extreme cynical tactics.  For now I'm just happy to pick up the points.  The bonus is... if we finish 12th instead of 17th that's an extra £5m to utilise on new players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 02, 2015, 07:07:31 PM
Quote from: Mr Cynical on March 02, 2015, 04:42:36 PM
I think we endured a really professional, cynical performance on Saturday.  We were wasting time from the 5th minute.  From that point we set out to stop Southampton from scoring - rather than scoring ourselves.  The reward was 3 points, and going 8 points ahead of vile and the relegation zone.

Some of those elements are really important for us to take forward, I don't think we've been cynical professionals for a long time, and arguing with the referee over every decision wasn't in our locker either.  The fact that our recent teams have lacked this talent is every bit as remiss as the poor defending under Mowbray.  (When we passed the ball around until is reached the weakest link - usually Donk or Barnett - at which point the pass would be misplaced and the opposition would score on the break.)

What I'm hoping for is (finally) a good summer in the transfer market and a much better team that doesn't have to rely on such extreme cynical tactics.  For now I'm just happy to pick up the points.  The bonus is... if we finish 12th instead of 17th that's an extra £5m to utilise on new players.

remind me, Whats your handle again?  Oh yeah !!   :D  Always have wondered why, not !!  :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on March 05, 2015, 09:45:48 PM
this Saturday is the biggest test for pulis so far,he knows how villa will play,hopefully he knows that we wont accept another inept 1st half performance again,we have the players to beat them,so it really is down to him,if we don't use sess,mac and pognolli and we lose again trying to play defensive in a cup game ,I for one wont be happy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 05, 2015, 09:58:26 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on March 05, 2015, 09:45:48 PM
this Saturday is the biggest test for pulis so far,he knows how villa will play,hopefully he knows that we wont accept another inept 1st half performance again,we have the players to beat them,so it really is down to him,if we don't use sess,mac and pognolli and we lose again trying to play defensive in a cup game ,I for one wont be happy

Agree & thats far more diplomatically put then I could've, he really can achieve legendary status if we knock the vile scum out of the cup (& thats from someone who is far from his biggest fan).   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 05, 2015, 10:05:07 PM
just get me to wembley and i will wear a baseball cap for you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 05, 2015, 10:14:00 PM
In his press conference today TP says that Sess has personal problems, and Mcmanaman is doubtful,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on March 05, 2015, 10:43:27 PM
So potentially all 5 of our forward thinking players could be out ? I can't wait  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 06, 2015, 01:12:47 AM
We will beat the vile I have no doubt the players whoever it is will be ready cant stand that Sherwood.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jTony on March 07, 2015, 07:27:01 AM
http://www.thfclatest.com/2013/03/07/tony-pulis-interview-with-ian-wright/ (http://www.thfclatest.com/2013/03/07/tony-pulis-interview-with-ian-wright/)


Good luck to the Baggies today. I'm just old enough to remember the great Jeff Astle's winner against Everton. Hope you beat Villa and go on to win the cup. I have always found your supporters to be amongst the best when I have visited the Hawthorns.

TONY PULIS is doing what he does best — saving another club from relegation.

But today the West Brom boss takes his team to local Midlands rivals Aston Villa for what should be a cracking FA Cup quarter-final.

WRIGHTY: As soon as you arrived at West Brom people were saying, “Tony Pulis — never been relegated”, you are doing it again!

PULIS: Ian, we’ve not done it. We are maybe still eight points away from being safe. We must play Liverpool, Manchester United, Newcastle, Chelsea and Arsenal in our last five games — so it’s nip and tuck.

The lads have worked hard. It’s a different group to what I had at Stoke and Crystal Palace — so we must play different to get the best out of them. And we’ve tried to nail down a system to suit them.

WRIGHTY: George Graham used to make us train all day on the defence at Arsenal. Do you start with the defence and then get the creative players doing their stuff? I used to slaughter George for that.

PULIS: (Laughing) I get slaughtered too! I’m similar to George. The most important thing is to get the team set up to not concede. But I do have a better group of passers than I had at Palace. They don’t have the pace I had there but can handle the ball in very difficult situations.

WRIGHTY: You’ve signed Darren Fletcher from Manchester United right under the noses of a lot of clubs. Every Baggie must have welcomed him with open arms?

PULIS: He’s been fantastic. He’s a proper old-fashioned player. He looks after the dressing room. There is not that many people around in the game today who are proper characters.

He just loves football. He is well into the video analysis. Everything we do in reviewing matches and preparing the team, he wants to know about it. The group love him.

WRIGHTY: And players like Saido Berahino will learn a lot from a player like him. Yes, Saido, has had a bit of stick recently for making those comments about wanting to leave but he seems to have responded well.

PULIS: Saido is a good lad. The trouble is the game is so different to when you and I played. It’s gone crazy. He’s young, he broke into the team, scored goals — and you suddenly get all the hype.

These lads are pulled in all directions and can lose focus. But Fletch has spent time with Saido. The other lads have been good too.

They’ve seen a different side to Saido in the past month and have warmed to him. He just came in a bit head-strong. Look, he has got 18 goals and he’s just 21. He’s a goalscorer, has a great right foot, left foot and is good in the air. And his anticipation and balance are first class. So he is going to be a player.

He has to be the best player he can possibly be and that’s what I’ve been talking to him about.

Then, for the rest of his life, he can say, “I’ve been my best” instead of having any regrets.

WRIGHTY: We’ve got to talk about Villa. They did you with that late penalty in the Premier League on Tuesday and your keeper Ben Foster had a nightmare. But you must be confident, if you can cut the mistakes, of reaching a Wembley semi-final?

PULIS: There are a few areas where we can do better. For the first 30 to 40 minutes Villa were by far the better team.

We had the better chances second half. It’s all sold out for Saturday at Villa Park. Instead of taking three to four thousand, we’ll be taking seven thousand. It’ll be brilliant and this is something the Premier League should look at. Let’s get back to having one end in stadiums full of away fans.

WRIGHTY: Yeah, I love that.

PULIS: And make the tickets cheaper. There is so much money coming into the game. We can afford it. The Germans have one thing over us in that respect.

The atmosphere is fantastic because they allow more away fans to stand up. I’d love to see that come back — 7,000-8,000 away fans. It creates a wonderful atmosphere.

WRIGHTY: What are you going to say to the guys ahead of the game?

PULIS: You don’t get these opportunities often so when you come off make sure you left everything out there with no regrets.

WRIGHTY: What ambitions are left for you? Do you ever think when the season is finished, “I have saved another side but will I ever get a top-four club”?

PULIS: After this season has finished I’ll be rowing across the Channel for the Donna Louise Hospice in Stoke.

It’s a hospice only a mile and a half away from the Britannia Stadium and I’ve been supporting them for more than ten years.

It’s for children who go there with illnesses they are not going to recover from. They go for their last three or four days and they provide for the families. It’s a wonderful place. Wrighty, you’ve had a wonderful career and a great life and I’m the same. But there are people who have not been dealt the cards we’ve had.

WRIGHTY: Where are you rowing from?

PULIS: From Tower Bridge to the Eiffel Tower in seven days.

I’ve been on the rowing machine at 7am every day to build myself up to have the strength to do it.

It’s going to be tough but we’re doing it for such great cause.

TONY PULIS has run the London Marathon, climbed Mount Kilimanjaro and this spring will be rowing from Tower Bridge to the Eiffel Tower. He will be raising money for Donna Louise Hospice in Stoke, which looks after terminally-ill children in their last days. For more information on how to donate, please visit donnalouisetrust.org
History break

TONY PULIS spent his time out of the game last year getting battle-hardened for his next campaign.

After walking out on Crystal Palace two days before the start of the season, Pulis decided to make good use of the unexpected spare time he had on his hands.

The West Brom boss, 57, said: “The first thing I did was take two old boys — one aged 74 and the other 82 — to France and Belgium to look at the First World War battlefields.

“I’ve always wanted to do it and, with it being the 100-year anniversary, it was a poignant time to go.

“We had a guide who took us to some interesting places and we went to the field where they played football on December 25, 1914 — the famous Christmas Day Truce. We don’t realise how lucky we are. Our generation hasn’t seen a war of that scale.”

The proud Welshman added: “There is a statue — a Welsh dragon — put up in one of the battle areas. I found this area where three to four thousand Welsh Guards perished in a couple of days.”
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on March 07, 2015, 08:57:58 AM
Cheers for that Tony, good read.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on March 07, 2015, 10:40:10 AM
Yes, it was a good read and just reinforces, for me, what a good manager we have in TP and how lucky we are in having him.

He is a man of the people and his heart is in the right place. He isn't phased by those two imposters success or failure and portrays a calming influence to players and fans alike, he is a natural leader. He is a steadying hand on the tiler and is guiding us through some choppy waters.

If you hadn't noticed already, I'm a TP fan  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 07, 2015, 12:47:34 PM
Just goes to show what grounded guy he is.
Nothing but respect for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on March 07, 2015, 01:32:50 PM
I am also a Pulis fan and what a difference it is with a leader at the helm and one on the pitch.

And as someone pointed out he has done it with a very poor squad in my mind.

I have gone soft on the vile in recent years, but i think Sherwood will put an end to that. He is perfect for them, a real big mouth who is full of himself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on March 07, 2015, 01:35:12 PM
Top bloke Pulis is and very happy to have him here. Hope he can guide us to a win this afternoon!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on March 07, 2015, 08:11:30 PM
what the hell was he thinking today,weve already seen how bad the lescott at fullback tactic works,playing dawson,mcauley,olson too im surprised he didn't ask Darren moore to play too,absolute joke selection against a very understrength villa team,why no sess,why no mac earlier,why no mulumbu when our midfield was being overrun from halftime onwards,i for one am getting sick and tired of the away team tactics and selections
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 07, 2015, 08:24:29 PM
I just didn't see why we played 4 c halves at the back, why when villa played with one upfront and he's never been prolific especially with his head. he sacrificed playing players with pace and went for height when there was no threat from villa in the air. mind boggling tactics  and team selection have cost us. so fooking angry at this negative surrendering to teams who are no better than us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 07, 2015, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on March 07, 2015, 08:24:29 PM
I just didn't see why we played 4 c halves at the back, why when villa played with one upfront and he's never been prolific especially with his head. he sacrificed playing players with pace and went for height when there was no threat from villa in the air. mind boggling tactics  and team selection have cost us. so fooking angry at this negative surrendering to teams who are no better than us.

He's done that in every game he's took charge of so far. If it's so bad then how come he hasn't lost more games?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 07, 2015, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 07, 2015, 08:34:00 PM
He's done that in every game he's took charge of so far. If it's so bad then how come he hasn't lost more games?
no he hasn't , brunts been playing left back. that's the first time pulis has played 4 centre halves in a game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 07, 2015, 08:52:12 PM
Brunt should have stayed at left back, and the back 4 could have been left alone, with Mulumbu coming in for Fletcher

The back 4 unit had been working well. Why break it up?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on March 07, 2015, 08:53:02 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 07, 2015, 08:34:00 PM
He's done that in every game he's took charge of so far. If it's so bad then how come he hasn't lost more games?
no he hasn't hes played brunty at leftback a few times,and should have done so today too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on March 07, 2015, 08:55:51 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on March 07, 2015, 08:52:12 PM
Brunt should have stayed at left back, and the back 4 could have been left alone, with Mulumbu coming in for Fletcher

The back 4 unit had been working well. Why break it up?
this is exactly what I thought would happen,cant believe what the line up was
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on March 07, 2015, 09:02:31 PM
Shame Peace can't afford to sack him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 07, 2015, 09:04:52 PM
Quote from: labaggies on March 07, 2015, 09:02:31 PM
Shame Peace can't afford to sack him.
Are you serious?
Who do you honestly think could do a better job? Because if they're as good as Roy Hodgson was they will move on up the food chain pretty quickly.

People need to remember how bad Irvine, Mel and part of Clarke was at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on March 07, 2015, 09:07:40 PM
FFS Pulis has been fantastic overall. We are very, very lucky to have him. I know everyone is hurting after today but I'd much rather have Pulis than that deluded c*** Sherwood who will hopefully lead Villa until oblivion (his wins against us - they could have a chimp in charge and we'd still roll over for them)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 07, 2015, 09:13:12 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on March 07, 2015, 08:47:30 PM
no he hasn't , brunts been playing left back. that's the first time pulis has played 4 centre halves in a game.
Nope , we have definatly  done it in the league too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on March 07, 2015, 09:14:53 PM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on March 07, 2015, 09:07:40 PM
FFS Pulis has been fantastic overall. We are very, very lucky to have him. I know everyone is hurting after today but I'd much rather have Pulis than that deluded c*** Sherwood who will hopefully lead Villa until oblivion (his wins against us - they could have a chimp in charge and we'd still roll over for them)

Completely agree fella.......we all have to realise that if we want prem football (for the foreseeable future), then we have the perfect man for the job. We need to ride this ridiculous wave of cash coming in over next few years to ensure that we remain among the best 20 clubs in England. To gamble on a 'football purist' at this stage is plain stupid and once again Peace has got it spot on. I would personally love to see who is brought in over the summer, and if we can push on to any significant degree. One thing is for sure.......there ain't a single manager out there that wouldn't be a silly gamble to replace TP at this stage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on March 07, 2015, 09:15:46 PM
Pulis has been fantastic....
I give up, effective I accept, but long term he will be a disaster.
All you who are criticising my comments, then maybe you will be at Wembley supporting Villa in the Semi's, I'm hurting and it's all down to Pulis. Last Tuesday and tonight he was a disaster, don't blame the ref or the players.
Pulis us everything I hate about football from 2005-2015.
A despicable manager at Stoke.. We don't need him at Albion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on March 07, 2015, 09:18:05 PM
Quote from: labaggies on March 07, 2015, 09:15:46 PM
Pulis has been fantastic....
I give up, effective I accept, but long term he will be a disaster.
All you who are criticising my comments, them maybe you will be at Wembkey supporting Villa in the Sem's, I'm hurting and it's all down to Pulis. Last Tuesday and tonight he was a disaster, don't blame the ref or the players.
Pulis us everything I hate about football from 2005-2015.
A despicable manager at Stoke.. We don't need him at Albion

Tell me a manager that we would of won that game with then.........obviously a realistic target? That team has given 110% over the last 10 games or so and results show it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 07, 2015, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: labaggies on March 07, 2015, 09:15:46 PM
Pulis has been fantastic....
I give up, effective I accept, but long term he will be a disaster.
All you who are criticising my comments, then maybe you will be at Wembley supporting Villa in the Sem's, I'm hurting and it's all down to Pulis. Last Tuesday and tonight he was a disaster, don't blame the ref or the players.
Pulis us everything I hate about football from 2005-2015.
A despicable manager at Stoke.. We don't need him at Albion
I'll ask again then, who would be a better manager then?
So far his points ratio is our best in premier league history...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on March 07, 2015, 09:20:15 PM
I think I would have picked a better team tonight, and I know f' all about football management.
We lost as soon as the team was announced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on March 07, 2015, 09:21:40 PM
Quote from: labaggies on March 07, 2015, 09:15:46 PM
Pulis has been fantastic....
I give up, effective I accept, but long term he will be a disaster.
All you who are criticising my comments, then maybe you will be at Wembley supporting Villa in the Semi's, I'm hurting and it's all down to Pulis. Last Tuesday and tonight he was a disaster, don't blame the ref or the players.
Pulis us everything I hate about football from 2005-2015.
A despicable manager at Stoke.. We don't need him at Albion

Given that you like Sherwood perhaps you would be better served cheering them on at Wembley!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on March 07, 2015, 09:23:10 PM
Quote from: sconesy on March 07, 2015, 09:18:05 PM
Tell me a manager that we would of won that game with then.........obviously a realistic target? That team has given 110% over the last 10 games or so and results show it!
if an alien from outer space and had picked any team suggested from the posters on the pre match forum of which there were about 40 selections ,some the same ,some slightly different,it would have been a more balanced and probable winning team than this joker put out today
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on March 07, 2015, 09:23:42 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on March 07, 2015, 09:19:11 PM
I'll ask again then, who would be a better manager then?
So far his points ratio is our best in premier league history...
Luck, our performances have been pathetic...
In our away games guess how many shots on target...again pathetic
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on March 07, 2015, 09:24:42 PM
Watching Sherwood today jump up and down when the referee first played on from the Yacob incident im glad hes not with us.

As for you saying dont blame the players or the referee thats abit blinkered really. Pulis should take blame but not 100% of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 07, 2015, 09:26:48 PM
Quote from: labaggies on March 07, 2015, 09:23:42 PM
Luck, our performances have been turgid....
Our performances have been effective in getting points.
With Irvine and Mel, and to a degree Clarke, a lot of fans on here often spoke about 'individual errors' costing us games, i.e. players would slip up, make more sloppy errors etc.
I don't think it's luck that these have gone away with Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on March 07, 2015, 09:41:04 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on March 07, 2015, 09:24:53 PM
Again, who is a better option for us though?

Some names would be nice...

The reality is you can only attract the quality of your club. If we were top of the league and Pulis was our manager then fair enough. But we're not. As I say he's far better than Irvine, Mel and Clarke.
there is probably not a better option im just totally at a loss behind todays team selection and tactics and substitions and lack of them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 07, 2015, 09:43:01 PM
Changed the colour to red as it might be noticed more than blue

Topic on Mowbray here

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=15878.0

Topic on Peace here

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=13111.0

This ones about Pulis so can we keep it on that please
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on March 07, 2015, 09:54:32 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on March 07, 2015, 09:43:01 PM
Changed the colour to red as it might be noticed more than blue

Topic on Mowbray here

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=15878.0

Topic on Peace here

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=13111.0

This ones about Pulis so can we keep it on that please


Nasty! That's somewhat Colourblindist

Sorry mate did not see it honestly 😝
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 07, 2015, 09:55:24 PM
Ruining our football club. Sooner hes gone the better. He has not got a clue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 07, 2015, 09:55:36 PM
Quote from: Aztech on March 07, 2015, 09:54:32 PM
Nasty! That's somewhat Colourblindist

Sorry mate did not see it honestly 😝

Old age mate I guess  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on March 07, 2015, 09:56:41 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on March 07, 2015, 09:55:36 PM
Old age mate I guess  :D

This thread is about Tony Pulis you cheeky git!  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 07, 2015, 09:57:12 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 07, 2015, 09:55:24 PM
Ruining our football club. Sooner hes gone the better. He has not got a clue.
Again...who would do a better job?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ComebackStrodds on March 07, 2015, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 07, 2015, 09:55:24 PM
Ruining our football club. Sooner hes gone the better. He has not got a clue.
Tony Pulis is not ruining our club.... Yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 07, 2015, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on March 07, 2015, 09:57:12 PM
Again...who would do a better job?

Anyone who at least looks as though they know what they are half doing.

Yes we'll prob stay up, but the football is terrible. Pulis will ruin our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 07, 2015, 10:04:44 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 07, 2015, 10:01:34 PM
Anyone who at least looks as though they know what they are half doing.

Yes we'll prob stay up, but the football is terrible. Pulis will ruin our club.
Ok then, what do you think about Gary Megson? He is still adored by the vast majority of our fans. In terms of football, his style is terrible. Does that mean he ruined our club?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boult on March 07, 2015, 10:23:09 PM
 Tony Pulis shows passion and desire pity some of our players don't been  to both games the disappointment and anger, pain i have at the moment from the games we didn't turn up on Tuesday and the second half tonight no passion desire lets give Pulis time to ship out the dead wood  and get his own players in then judge him i am  sure they will be up four it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 07, 2015, 10:25:58 PM
Quote from: boult on March 07, 2015, 10:23:09 PM
Tony Pulis shows passion and desire pity some of our players don't been  to both games the disappointment and anger, pain i have at the moment from the games we didn't turn up on Tuesday and the second half tonight no passion desire lets give Pulis time to ship out the dead wood  and get his own players in then judge him i am  sure they will be up four it
Pulis has had to leave two clubs already (that we are aware of) due to his transfer dealings. I wouldn't get over excited.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on March 07, 2015, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on March 07, 2015, 10:04:44 PM
Ok then, what do you think about Gary Megson? He is still adored by the vast majority of our fans. In terms of football, his style is terrible. Does that mean he ruined our club?
With due respect , when Garry Megson was there the club did not even have a training ground ,and we had been outside the top flight for almost two decades ,so people are obviously going to forgive him for any short -comings in his style of play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on March 07, 2015, 10:28:49 PM
We have cried out for a manager to bring his own team in , and now we have one . Next season is when we can judge him . I just don't want 11 thugs and hoof football .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on March 07, 2015, 10:41:14 PM
Quote from: charliemike on March 07, 2015, 10:28:49 PM
We have cried out for a manager to bring his own team in , and now we have one . Next season is when we can judge him . I just don't want 11 thugs and hoof football .
It does not bode to well , with prospective transfers next season , when you consider the treatment of gamboa and pocognoli . We lack pace all over the pitch and in wide area's  and we subsequently release varela whom had a modicum of pace and pedigree and then we are preparing to sign a lump like Carlton Cole ... hardly inspiring.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2015, 11:04:52 PM
Quote from: charliemike on March 07, 2015, 10:28:49 PM
We have cried out for a manager to bring his own team in , and now we have one . Next season is when we can judge him . I just don't want 11 thugs and hoof football .

I wouldn't mind 11 thugs and hoof football, because they'd probably be able to pull it off, what we are doing now with McAuley especially and today Gardner, just aimless clearances disguised as forward passes isn't going to work with our players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 07, 2015, 11:59:01 PM
Unfortunately many of our players are not fit for purpose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 08, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Negative and naive tactics have cost us 2 derbies in a week.
Today was awful. Square pegs in round holes all over the pitch. Like at Sunderland and Burnley we lacked pace width and an out ball. Today was calling for sessengon to come on (should have started Ideye was nowhere close to being fit)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2015, 01:35:21 AM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on March 08, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Negative and naive tactics have cost us 2 derbies in a week.
Today was awful. Square pegs in round holes all over the pitch. Like at Sunderland and Burnley we lacked pace width and an out ball. Today was calling for sessengon to come on (should have started Ideye was nowhere close to being fit)

Yet if Ideye, or Berahino, or Ideye again, or Berahino again or Lescott or Berahino againagain scores we win (or at least get a replay). No idea why people won't accept that Pulis does not rate Wisdom or Pocognoli. Sessegnon I sympathise with but only because Gardner is worse than Dorrans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on March 08, 2015, 02:08:06 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2015, 01:35:21 AM
Yet if Ideye, or Berahino, or Ideye again, or Berahino again or Lescott or Berahino againagain scores we win (or at least get a replay). No idea why people won't accept that Pulis does not rate Wisdom or Pocognoli. Sessegnon I sympathise with but only because Gardner is worse than Dorrans.

Berahino can't score in every single game, he is already doing very well in a very limited team. Brown has to score that first chance but he didn't, happens. Lescott got over exited, that happens he isn't a scorer exactly either. Yes, we had chances but it isn't as if we covered ourselves in glory over two full games against a limited Villa side. We were awful two games running apart from a short period here and there.

I know Pulis has little to work with, but it doesn't help that he is so damn limited in his own approach. Take a limited side, and a limited Pulis, and the result isn't pretty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on March 08, 2015, 02:41:06 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2015, 01:35:21 AM
Yet if Ideye, or Berahino, or Ideye again, or Berahino again or Lescott or Berahino againagain scores we win (or at least get a replay). No idea why people won't accept that Pulis does not rate Wisdom or Pocognoli. Sessegnon I sympathise with but only because Gardner is worse than Dorrans.
It's not that supporters cannot accept his decision to not play pocognoli and Gamboa  ,but more they cannot comprehend it. How many other manager's given our lack of pace would opt to deploy brunt and a one paced centre half in positions that they are unaccustomed to in preference to fullbacks who represent Belgium and Costa Rica respectively.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2015, 02:56:49 AM
Quote from: baggiecarl on March 08, 2015, 02:41:06 AM
It's not that supporters cannot accept his decision to not play pocognoli and Gamboa  ,but more they cannot comprehend it. How many other manager's given our lack of pace would opt to deploy brunt and a one paced centre half in positions that they are unaccustomed to in preference to fullbacks who represent Belgium and Costa Rica respectively.

That hotbed of football Costa Rica, their best player can't get on Arsenal's bench. As to Pocognoli he is nowhere near first choice for Belgium he just has caps... Like Paul Konchesky.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on March 08, 2015, 03:03:14 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2015, 02:56:49 AM
That hotbed of football Costa Rica, their best player can't get on Arsenal's bench. As to Pocognoli he is nowhere near first choice for Belgium he just has caps... Like Paul Konchesky.

So what? Poco is still better at lb than Lescott, even if I agree he isn't all that, and Lescott is a far better cb than Olsson.

Playing Lescott at lb after the first two flops, even against Lescott's expressed misgivings, yet again is just... well, Pulis' tactical genius at work I guess. It's a bit of a joke really the whole thing, but at least Pulis tends to get enough results to get by. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on March 08, 2015, 03:16:46 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 07, 2015, 09:55:24 PM
Ruining our football club. Sooner hes gone the better. He has not got a clue.

I have never been his biggest fan and am angry about today but this is laughable! What does he have to ruin? We were terrible before him and going down. He has turned things around and will keep us up, that's why Peace brought him in. I don't like his style but he is the best we can hope for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on March 08, 2015, 03:22:00 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2015, 02:56:49 AM
That hotbed of football Costa Rica, their best player can't get on Arsenal's bench. As to Pocognoli he is nowhere near first choice for Belgium he just has caps... Like Paul Konchesky.
That's right he just has caps for Belgium who are currently ranked above England in the FIFA rankings ; where as your golden boy Brunt  has caps for the mighty Northern Ireland as a left midfielder
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: koren on March 08, 2015, 05:03:37 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2015, 02:56:49 AM
That hotbed of football Costa Rica, their best player can't get on Arsenal's bench. As to Pocognoli he is nowhere near first choice for Belgium he just has caps... Like Paul Konchesky.
So?
He played well in 1st half season,he deserves to play now,he should be our first choice left back with no doubt.I don't care about he plays for Belgium or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on March 08, 2015, 05:30:47 AM
I'm confused what types of players Pulis actually wants in his team. He doesn't seem to like flair players in general and also trying out the youngsters.

So is he reasonably happy with the existing squad of first team players or not? If not what kind of players will come in during the summer as replacements, assuming he remains as manager?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 08, 2015, 07:46:05 AM
Pulis had the whole of january to get players on, even then we failed to sign a player who dont even get a game for west ham!

If people are happy to watch shower or rubbish that has been served up these last 2 games then thats upto them, but im tellin you its going to be dire!!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BRIAN on March 08, 2015, 09:03:47 AM
I could have written the script. Just look back on previous posts about Pulis and you will find more praise than criticism. Now he is USELESS. Wake up all you managers in waiting because if we are still in the Prem at the end of the season you will be thinking he is God. Hopefully AVFC will not survive so we can live happily again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on March 08, 2015, 09:36:13 AM
I am puzzled by these discussions. We had a squad, coach and team heading back down to the Championship 10 weeks ago. Yet suddenly not only have expectations risen to such an extent that we presume we'll win twice this week but we also need to achieve that playing Liverpool style football. We need to remember where we have come from in the last 8-10 weeks. We're not safe yet - we still need to find three wins probably from the homes games against Stoke, Palace, Leicester and QPR.

Pulis is holding together a poorly assembled squad with a group of players not fit for the Premier League. Wisdom was hounded out of the team because he was so one-paced, Pocognoli was liable to make errors, Gamboa is clearly talented going forward but looks suitably under prepared to deal with Premier League defending and so the list goes on.

If Pulis keeps us up he deserves huge credit. We had been heading downwards for 2 seasons the momentum was all in the wrong direction. Under Hodgson we played a tight, structured game and I suspect Pulis will use a similar approach next season. I also think Sessegnon damaged his long and short-term prospects  with that dive against Southampton - and don't forget he has two strikers neither of whom would be playing if we had a full complement of attacking options in the squad as they're not really fully fit.

I suspect we'll see a reasonable turnover of players in the summer - Gamboa, Pocognoli, Wisdom etc all leaving. Only when this happens and he shapes up his own team and squad should we start really making judgements.

This negativity is just madness in the context of the season we've had and the mistakes that have been made.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 08, 2015, 09:48:00 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 07, 2015, 09:55:24 PM
Ruining our football club. Sooner hes gone the better. He has not got a clue.

Totally ridiculous comment along with many I have read this morning, some of our supporters clearly have issues and no eff all about football.

TP is doing his best to stop a rot that has been spreading through the club for over 2 years, he has put us in a great position to stay in the premiership and with a pre-season under his belt I think we will be on for a top 10 finish next season.

Yes we have lost to the Vile twice in a week, games we should have won, but everyone said after we picked vile out of the hat and they had just had the new impetus of the new knob in charge of them it would be tough. The good thing about losing last night is that the vile players will have a cup semi on their mind now, so hopefully this will send them down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 08, 2015, 09:48:53 AM
Quote from: RogerBadoo on March 08, 2015, 09:36:13 AM
I am puzzled by these discussions. We had a squad, coach and team heading back down to the Championship 10 weeks ago. Yet suddenly not only have expectations risen to such an extent that we presume we'll win twice this week but we also need to achieve that playing Liverpool style football. We need to remember where we have come from in the last 8-10 weeks. We're not safe yet - we still need to find three wins probably from the homes games against Stoke, Palace, Leicester and QPR.

Pulis is holding together a poorly assembled squad with a group of players not fit for the Premier League. Wisdom was hounded out of the team because he was so one-paced, Pocognoli was liable to make errors, Gamboa is clearly talented going forward but looks suitably under prepared to deal with Premier League defending and so the list goes on.

If Pulis keeps us up he deserves huge credit. We had been heading downwards for 2 seasons the momentum was all in the wrong direction. Under Hodgson we played a tight, structured game and I suspect Pulis will use a similar approach next season. I also think Sessegnon damaged his long and short-term prospects  with that dive against Southampton - and don't forget he has two strikers neither of whom would be playing if we had a full complement of attacking options in the squad as they're not really fully fit.

I suspect we'll see a reasonable turnover of players in the summer - Gamboa, Pocognoli, Wisdom etc all leaving. Only when this happens and he shapes up his own team and squad should we start really making judgements.

This negativity is just madness in the context of the season we've had and the mistakes that have been made.
Quote from: RogerBadoo on March 08, 2015, 09:36:13 AM
I am puzzled by these discussions. We had a squad, coach and team heading back down to the Championship 10 weeks ago. Yet suddenly not only have expectations risen to such an extent that we presume we'll win twice this week but we also need to achieve that playing Liverpool style football. We need to remember where we have come from in the last 8-10 weeks. We're not safe yet - we still need to find three wins probably from the homes games against Stoke, Palace, Leicester and QPR.

Pulis is holding together a poorly assembled squad with a group of players not fit for the Premier League. Wisdom was hounded out of the team because he was so one-paced, Pocognoli was liable to make errors, Gamboa is clearly talented going forward but looks suitably under prepared to deal with Premier League defending and so the list goes on.

If Pulis keeps us up he deserves huge credit. We had been heading downwards for 2 seasons the momentum was all in the wrong direction. Under Hodgson we played a tight, structured game and I suspect Pulis will use a similar approach next season. I also think Sessegnon damaged his long and short-term prospects  with that dive against Southampton - and don't forget he has two strikers neither of whom would be playing if we had a full complement of attacking options in the squad as they're not really fully fit.

I suspect we'll see a reasonable turnover of players in the summer - Gamboa, Pocognoli, Wisdom etc all leaving. Only when this happens and he shapes up his own team and squad should we start really making judgements.

This negativity is just madness in the context of the season we've had and the mistakes that have been made.
Good post - sensible
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on March 08, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: RogerBadoo on March 08, 2015, 09:36:13 AM
I am puzzled by these discussions. We had a squad, coach and team heading back down to the Championship 10 weeks ago. Yet suddenly not only have expectations risen to such an extent that we presume we'll win twice this week but we also need to achieve that playing Liverpool style football. We need to remember where we have come from in the last 8-10 weeks. We're not safe yet - we still need to find three wins probably from the homes games against Stoke, Palace, Leicester and QPR.

Pulis is holding together a poorly assembled squad with a group of players not fit for the Premier League. Wisdom was hounded out of the team because he was so one-paced, Pocognoli was liable to make errors, Gamboa is clearly talented going forward but looks suitably under prepared to deal with Premier League defending and so the list goes on.

If Pulis keeps us up he deserves huge credit. We had been heading downwards for 2 seasons the momentum was all in the wrong direction. Under Hodgson we played a tight, structured game and I suspect Pulis will use a similar approach next season. I also think Sessegnon damaged his long and short-term prospects  with that dive against Southampton - and don't forget he has two strikers neither of whom would be playing if we had a full complement of attacking options in the squad as they're not really fully fit.

I suspect we'll see a reasonable turnover of players in the summer - Gamboa, Pocognoli, Wisdom etc all leaving. Only when this happens and he shapes up his own team and squad should we start really making judgements.

This negativity is just madness in the context of the season we've had and the mistakes that have been made.

A bit of sense and perspective in the gloom of disappointment.

Still cant understand playing Lescott at LB though. So at very least we should expect Pulis to recruit a quality LB and RB in the summer, a pacey right winger and a quality forward....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: palmaroy on March 08, 2015, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: wimbledon baggie on March 08, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
A bit of sense and perspective in the gloom of disappointment.

Still cant understand playing Lescott at LB though. So at very least we should expect Pulis to recruit a quality LB and RB in the summer, a pacey right winger and a quality forward....
what about the other 7 positions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on March 08, 2015, 10:50:16 AM
Quote from: RogerBadoo on March 08, 2015, 09:36:13 AM
I am puzzled by these discussions. We had a squad, coach and team heading back down to the Championship 10 weeks ago. Yet suddenly not only have expectations risen to such an extent that we presume we'll win twice this week but we also need to achieve that playing Liverpool style football. We need to remember where we have come from in the last 8-10 weeks. We're not safe yet - we still need to find three wins probably from the homes games against Stoke, Palace, Leicester and QPR.

Pulis is holding together a poorly assembled squad with a group of players not fit for the Premier League. Wisdom was hounded out of the team because he was so one-paced, Pocognoli was liable to make errors, Gamboa is clearly talented going forward but looks suitably under prepared to deal with Premier League defending and so the list goes on.

If Pulis keeps us up he deserves huge credit. We had been heading downwards for 2 seasons the momentum was all in the wrong direction. Under Hodgson we played a tight, structured game and I suspect Pulis will use a similar approach next season. I also think Sessegnon damaged his long and short-term prospects  with that dive against Southampton - and don't forget he has two strikers neither of whom would be playing if we had a full complement of attacking options in the squad as they're not really fully fit.

I suspect we'll see a reasonable turnover of players in the summer - Gamboa, Pocognoli, Wisdom etc all leaving. Only when this happens and he shapes up his own team and squad should we start really making judgements.

This negativity is just madness in the context of the season we've had and the mistakes that have been made.

A voice of sanity and common sense, in a morass lacking in in those two qualities. Each to there own view and opinion. But "Well Done You!!!"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 08, 2015, 11:04:47 AM
Quote from: Sessegod on March 08, 2015, 09:48:00 AM
Totally ridiculous comment along with many I have read this morning, some of our supporters clearly have issues and no eff all about football.

TP is doing his best to stop a rot that has been spreading through the club for over 2 years, he has put us in a great position to stay in the premiership and with a pre-season under his belt I think we will be on for a top 10 finish next season.

Yes we have lost to the Vile twice in a week, games we should have won, but everyone said after we picked vile out of the hat and they had just had the new impetus of the new knob in charge of them it would be tough. The good thing about losing last night is that the vile players will have a cup semi on their mind now, so hopefully this will send them down.

Spot on. A lot of people on here don't seem to remember finishing in the bottom 4 last season. It's like that season has been wiped from memory and the only season that counts is the good Clarke season!

There needs to be a big turnaround in the summer and Pulis is ruthless enough to do it. Olsson and Mulumbu were shocking against Villa and they will be shipped out. The remaining summer transfers will all leave too. Allowing room on the wage bill for TP to bring in 5 or 6 first team players of his own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggieboyfred on March 08, 2015, 11:05:02 AM
I have no problem with TP he is the man for the job and i am confident we will stay in the premiership, but i have to take issue with the fact that we have no pace in the team and no first team starters who can consistently go past players and create opportunities, but we do have them on the bench, if we continue to play central defenders as full backs, and 4 defensive central midfielders  we will create very few chances and if we don't take those chances when they come along we will lose which was amply illustrated by the 2 villa games.
what really annoys me about the the cup game, there was no Benteke and they had what in essence was a makeshift defence which was fairly obvious from their first half performance , that was known in advance and thats why SS and probably CM  should have started , ok Brown should have scored , but lets face it that was about the only real chance we created in a totally dominant first half, ok his header was a half chance and SB had one shot which again could not be classed as clear cut but it only goes to prove the point made earlier
TP surely you have to look at each team we are playing and select accordingly, because we still need 3 wins and it would be nice to have a few more performances ala swansea and west ham, you will get away with it this season , but an awful lot of receuitment work will need to go on in the summer as you obviously don't fancy half the squad you have got especially the pacy skilled ones if we are not going tom get a repeat performance next season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2015, 01:03:21 PM
Well done to the outdated dinosaur - he finally went with his trusted four centre backs making up a back four.

A complete and utter calamity. Not one of them looked comfortable with it last night. It is completely alien to them all. If he honestly thinks that Lescott at left back is better than Pocognoli then god help us.

We are absolutely appalling away from home. Our only hope is to sit back and defend for 90 minutes. Hideous to watch and if you do that every away game you're going to lose more than you win.

Yesterday was a shower of pooh. And that's just the team selection.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on March 08, 2015, 01:13:16 PM
Im hoping that we get through this season without being relegated and can only hope that next season we have genuine width, and also we are crying out for players with flair. All we are at the moment is just a bog standard team that work hard and do little else. If he is unable to do this there seems to be little point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2015, 01:14:47 PM
Quote from: gerry m on March 08, 2015, 01:13:16 PM
Im hoping that we get through this season without being relegated and can only hope that next season we have genuine width, and also we are crying out for players with flair. All we are at the moment is just a bog standard team that work hard and do little else. If he is unable to do this there seems to be little point.

We're not going to have flair players under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 08, 2015, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2015, 01:03:21 PM
Well done to the outdated dinosaur - he finally went with his trusted four centre backs making up a back four.

A complete and utter calamity. Not one of them looked comfortable with it last night. It is completely alien to them all. If he honestly thinks that Lescott at left back is better than Pocognoli then god help us.

We are absolutely appalling away from home. Our only hope is to sit back and defend for 90 minutes. Hideous to watch and if you do that every away game you're going to lose more than you win.

Yesterday was a shower of pooh. And that's just the team selection.

Even though both of Brown's chances came from Dawson? The weakest defender was Olsson.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2015, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 08, 2015, 01:53:21 PM
Even though both of Brown's chances came from Dawson? The weakest defender was Olsson.

The one cross was played by Craig Gardner and I can't even remember the other chance.

You can keep making Pulis out to be Corberan but this whole four centre halves at full back is a hideous approach. It deprives a side of any attacking ability, it means our best centre half has to play at left back. None of them are at all comfortable with the ball and the second we'll come across a side with any ounce of pace about them we will be royally buggered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 08, 2015, 02:04:32 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2015, 02:00:21 PM
The one cross was played by Craig Gardner and I can't even remember the other chance.

You can keep making Pulis out to be Corberan but this whole four centre halves at full back is a hideous approach. It deprives a side of any attacking ability, it means our best centre half has to play at left back. None of them are at all comfortable with the ball and the second we'll come across a side with any ounce of pace about them we will be royally buggered.
Well we have 13 points from 9 games?
He was appointed to keep us up and hopefully crack on.
Who would you rather have at the helm?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 08, 2015, 02:07:02 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on March 08, 2015, 09:48:00 AM
Totally ridiculous comment along with many I have read this morning, some of our supporters clearly have issues and no eff all about football.

TP is doing his best to stop a rot that has been spreading through the club for over 2 years, he has put us in a great position to stay in the premiership and with a pre-season under his belt I think we will be on for a top 10 finish next season.

Yes we have lost to the Vile twice in a week, games we should have won, but everyone said after we picked vile out of the hat and they had just had the new impetus of the new knob in charge of them it would be tough. The good thing about losing last night is that the vile players will have a cup semi on their mind now, so hopefully this will send them down.

Know eff all about football? Ive played a level only you would dream of.

So what positives can you take from our last 6 games?

Are you happy with the apparent football that weve played the last 6 games?

I can tell you now that the football is non existant, tony pulis does not have a scoody doo. We are turning into stoke game after game.

Im dreading the summer when we try and sign the donkey carlton cole and players like robert huth.

If you are happy with that sh1te thats been served up the past 6 games then more fool you.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on March 08, 2015, 02:10:41 PM
Liam I think the majority of our fans are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt . I for one can't understand many of the football decisions . No proper fullbacks , no pace , getting rid of any flair . On the upside we are heading for safety . It's next season we are hoping that a clear out will be forthcoming .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 08, 2015, 02:13:44 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 08, 2015, 02:07:02 PM
Know eff all about football? Ive played a level only you would dream of.

So what positives can you take from our last 6 games?

Are you happy with the apparent football that weve played the last 6 games?

I can tell you now that the football is non existant, tony pulis does not have a scoody doo. We are turning into stoke game after game.

Im dreading the summer when we try and sign the donkey carlton cole and players like robert huth.

If you are happy with that sh1te thats been served up the past 6 games then more fool you.

Are you happy with being a bottom 4 club for the last 2 years? That's with purists in charge...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on March 08, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: RogerBadoo on March 08, 2015, 09:36:13 AM
I am puzzled by these discussions. We had a squad, coach and team heading back down to the Championship 10 weeks ago. Yet suddenly not only have expectations risen to such an extent that we presume we'll win twice this week but we also need to achieve that playing Liverpool style football. We need to remember where we have come from in the last 8-10 weeks. We're not safe yet - we still need to find three wins probably from the homes games against Stoke, Palace, Leicester and QPR.

Pulis is holding together a poorly assembled squad with a group of players not fit for the Premier League. Wisdom was hounded out of the team because he was so one-paced, Pocognoli was liable to make errors, Gamboa is clearly talented going forward but looks suitably under prepared to deal with Premier League defending and so the list goes on.

If Pulis keeps us up he deserves huge credit. We had been heading downwards for 2 seasons the momentum was all in the wrong direction. Under Hodgson we played a tight, structured game and I suspect Pulis will use a similar approach next season. I also think Sessegnon damaged his long and short-term prospects  with that dive against Southampton - and don't forget he has two strikers neither of whom would be playing if we had a full complement of attacking options in the squad as they're not really fully fit.

I suspect we'll see a reasonable turnover of players in the summer - Gamboa, Pocognoli, Wisdom etc all leaving. Only when this happens and he shapes up his own team and squad should we start really making judgements.

This negativity is just madness in the context of the season we've had and the mistakes that have been made.

Excellent post - RogerBadoo for chairman!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2015, 02:17:56 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on March 08, 2015, 02:04:32 PM
Well we have 13 points from 9 games?
He was appointed to keep us up and hopefully crack on.
Who would you rather have at the helm?

He's done well to accumulate the points, you will see throughout the thread that I have praised him on that.

However, there is no denying that our approach away from home is absolutely pathetic. The notion that we're going to shove 11 men behind the ball, consistently time waste, be cynical at every opportunity and refuse to show any ambition to win the game at any point is mind numbingly boring.

That and his desire for the biggest back four he can possibly find is why I have problems with Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on March 08, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
This isn't Pulis squad though, he's signed ONE player who has had a knock, it's still that twits Irvines squad.

If Dawsons header went in and Ideyes shot then we wouldn't be talking about this..small margain.

Pulis has done a fantastic job considering the circumstances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: koren on March 08, 2015, 02:22:05 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2015, 02:17:56 PM
He's done well to accumulate the points, you will see throughout the thread that I have praised him on that.

However, there is no denying that our approach away from home is absolutely pathetic. The notion that we're going to shove 11 men behind the ball, consistently time waste, be cynical at every opportunity and refuse to show any ambition to win the game at any point is mind numbingly boring.

That and his desire for the biggest back four he can possibly find is why I have problems with Pulis.
Totally agree,he does a great job to pick up points for us but team selection about the back 4 is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on March 08, 2015, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2015, 02:17:56 PM
He's done well to accumulate the points, you will see throughout the thread that I have praised him on that.

However, there is no denying that our approach away from home is absolutely pathetic. The notion that we're going to shove 11 men behind the ball, consistently time waste, be cynical at every opportunity and refuse to show any ambition to win the game at any point is mind numbingly boring.

That and his desire for the biggest back four he can possibly find is why I have problems with Pulis.

Did we not show any ambition to win the game last night then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 08, 2015, 02:29:13 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 08, 2015, 11:04:47 AM
Spot on. A lot of people on here don't seem to remember finishing in the bottom 4 last season. It's like that season has been wiped from memory and the only season that counts is the good Clarke season!

There needs to be a big turnaround in the summer and Pulis is ruthless enough to do it. Olsson and Mulumbu were shocking against Villa and they will be shipped out. The remaining summer transfers will all leave too. Allowing room on the wage bill for TP to bring in 5 or 6 first team players of his own.

I'm not sure Mulumbu had enough game time to be shocking, but I agree Olsson was, can't see him playing for us again.
I can see that TP brought Olsson in to release Brunt into a midfield role, & possibly to see how Olsson fared. It will just make team selection that much easier for TP from now on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 08, 2015, 02:40:32 PM
i predict that Prem league managers will by now have identified that our lack of pace in midfield &  full back positions are our weakness and will be the focus for oppo attacks from here on in. If Dim tim can see how to beat us, the rest will carve us up.

One thing I do agree with TP on, is, survival is far from over yet !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on March 08, 2015, 02:41:34 PM
Both sides of the debate are correct . Under any other manager we would probably go down . When the Stoke match arrives some of the pain will have gone . All I want is to see attacking football from time to time and ultimately better players . Hey cmon lads we ain't Wolves or villa . Keep the faith villa ain't safe yet .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on March 08, 2015, 02:46:25 PM
2 to 3 wins and I think we will be safe . We have 8 points plus goal difference . Let's scramble our way to safety .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2015, 02:48:18 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on March 08, 2015, 02:23:31 PM
Did we not show any ambition to win the game last night then?

I thought we had a good half hour and then after that we were bloody rubbish.

I would go as far to say that Villa were so poor it actually made us look good. After getting a rollocking at half time we couldn't live with them in the second half.

Last night was always going to be slightly different in a cup occasion but even then we were very short on ideas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on March 08, 2015, 02:56:51 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 08, 2015, 02:40:32 PM
i predict that Prem league managers will by now have identified that our lack of pace in midfield &  full back positions are our weakness and will be the focus for oppo attacks from here on in. If Dim tim can see how to beat us, the rest will carve us up.

One thing I do agree with TP on, is, survival is far from over yet !
This is exactly what I have been thinking. Watching Lescott trying to overlap last night was excruciating. All oppo managers watching that game last night will conclude that our left side is vulnerable so don't be surprised if we get sustained attacking down that side in the games that remain this season. They will also have noticed our lack of width and pace. We have got our own 4-5 cup finals coming up so lets try and delete this week from our memories. The Cup was a lovely distraction from the grind of the league. That has gone now, lets plot ways of winning 9 more points. By no means certain.

We need Fletcher back and SEss and CM fit asap!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on March 08, 2015, 03:09:09 PM
Quote from: wimbledon baggie on March 08, 2015, 02:56:51 PM
This is exactly what I have been thinking. Watching Lescott trying to overlap last night was excruciating. All oppo managers watching that game last night will conclude that our left side is vulnerable so don't be surprised if we get sustained attacking down that side in the games that remain this season. They will also have noticed our lack of width and pace. We have got our own 4-5 cup finals coming up so lets try and delete this week from our memories. The Cup was a lovely distraction from the grind of the league. That has gone now, lets plot ways of winning 9 more points. By no means certain.

We need Fletcher back and SEss and CM fit asap!

Any manager with just a modicum of footballing nous would have had 7 more points from Burnley, Sunderland and Villa....he showed them far too much respect and should have beaten them all.  It makes me angry to think of the dross we are going to watch (and accepted my many) while this pillock is here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on March 08, 2015, 03:11:31 PM
We have to accept whilst Pullis is here he will play every away game extremely defensive. Last nights game proved that, with a Wembley semi final at stake, playing your local rivals, losing midweek, opposing manager being a total t**t stoking the fire, we still play 2 banks of 4 who are all defensive minded (except maybe Morrison). That approach didn't work a few days earlier but our manager deemed it worth another try. This will never change, I feel he had a free role of the dice yesterday. Most Albion fans would have accepted losing if we had given it a real go with a more attack minded team. I honestly feel we have done more to turn Villas season around than they have themselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on March 08, 2015, 03:52:30 PM
What would you suggest do with a awful group of midfielders that consist of Morisson, Yacob, Gardner, Brunt?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2015, 04:00:22 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 08, 2015, 02:07:02 PM
Know eff all about football? Ive played a level only you would dream of.

So what positives can you take from our last 6 games?

Are you happy with the apparent football that weve played the last 6 games?

I can tell you now that the football is non existant, tony pulis does not have a scoody doo. We are turning into stoke game after game.

Im dreading the summer when we try and sign the donkey carlton cole and players like robert huth.

If you are happy with that sh1te thats been served up the past 6 games then more fool you.

Doing yourself no favours with that statement, footballers are notoriously thick. Pulis is the best man for the job. If we'd lost to QPR twice in a week in the same circumstances there would be none of this pant-wetting. Because it's Villa everyone is beside themselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 08, 2015, 04:12:02 PM
Got to be honest, i'm struggling what people expected when Pulis was appointed. We were a club heading one way and needed someone to come in and sort out the mess that was going on both in the dressing room and on the pitch. He's done that and we have a bloke who whilst he would not be my first choice to manage this club (I wanted someone like him, not necessarily him) he was the only around with the experience and nous to do it.

Before Tuesday we had lost one in 10 and got to the quarter finals of the cup for the first time in god knows how long and moved away from the bottom three. January transfer window was a disaster, not sure why its all being put on Pulis as this club has stated year on year we don't do business in January and the same happened this year as before, players left not to be replaced, the problem for that must lie somewhere and while Pulis should play a part its hard to put it all on him.

Team line ups are not surprising, he likes big centre halfs and has a record of playing centre halfs at full back, he likes it solid which is why Wisdom and Gamboa are not featuring. I thought Pocognoli would have been his type of player to be honest but for some reason he doesn't fancy him so next best option is Brunt which until yesterday is how it has been recently.

Fletcher has come into the middle of the park and has improved us there as we were just drifting along with Morrison, Gardner or Brunt in there, Fletcher has added a calmness and a touch of class. Yacob has done well recently and now he'll be out next week so Mulumbu should come in and its upto him to see if he can stake a claim. The lack of width is worrying but if reports are true then both McManaman and Sessegnon have had either injury or personal issues going on so understandable that they have not figured.

Up front we have a choice of two as Vic is injured surprise surprise, Nabi is not ready so we have to use two patched up players after Sunderland kicked the pooh out of them for 90 minutes.

Yes, i'm concerned by the last two performances more than the results but its not the end of the world and i'm confident we'll stay up comfortably and then the work thats been needed for the past few seasons can be done in the Summer and we'll stop this signing squad players who are unlikely ever to figure and start signing starters.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on March 08, 2015, 04:24:59 PM
We had the rub of the green for few games, Everton missed a pen, stuff like that, then against Villa we didn't.  It's easy to forget we were on top for over half an hour yesterday.  if Hutton had been sent off?  If Yacob hadn't?  If Dawson had blocked Delph's shot?  Fine margins.  Pulis was employed to keep us up, full stop, so it'll  be the same on Sat- one win and a few draws will be enough now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on March 08, 2015, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: Webby on March 08, 2015, 03:52:30 PM
What would you suggest do with a awful group of midfielders that consist of Morisson, Yacob, Gardner, Brunt?

Yacob is ok as he breaks up more attcks than anyone we have had for ages, for Morrison, Gardner and Brunt write in any three from Gamboa, Varela, Blanco and Samaras....oh hang on a minute the resident dickhead got rid of three of those and won't play the other one.....give me a break do!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on March 08, 2015, 05:11:46 PM
I'll be glad to see the end of this season and lets see what Pulls can do when taking more of a controlling hand over recruitment.
We several seasons down the way after Roy and still lack decent width, pace and creativity.
I will invest in another season ticket next year but have already told myself that if we just stock up on squad players, basket ball players, and degenerates then the club can kiss the ring of this lifelong supporter (notice I say supporter and not fan, as we've had very little to get fanatical about).
I'd sooner have a season ticket for the Bears, at least you can watch a half decent game in decent surroundings with a half decent pint in your hand.... and by default you won't be freezing your donads off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 08, 2015, 05:20:57 PM
Quote from: Baggies54 on March 08, 2015, 04:40:02 PM
Yacob is ok as he breaks up more attcks than anyone we have had for ages, for Morrison, Gardner and Brunt write in any three from Gamboa, Varela, Blanco and Samaras....oh hang on a minute the resident dickhead got rid of three of those and won't play the other one.....give me a break do!
I am impressed. I bet Mourinho is worried there is available someone around with far superior "management."skills as your good self Sir!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on March 08, 2015, 05:28:24 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on March 08, 2015, 02:23:31 PM
Did we not show any ambition to win the game last night then?
Not to my mind particularly, no, given that it was an FA Cup quarter-final. What attacking ambition does it show picking 4 centre-halves as your back four?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on March 08, 2015, 05:33:56 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on March 08, 2015, 05:11:46 PM
I'll be glad to see the end of this season and lets see what Pulls can do when taking more of a controlling hand over recruitment.
We several seasons down the way after Roy and still lack decent width, pace and creativity.
I will invest in another season ticket next year but have already told myself that if we just stock up on squad players, basket ball players, and degenerates then the club can kiss the ring of this lifelong supporter (notice I say supporter and not fan, as we've had very little to get fanatical about).
I'd sooner have a season ticket for the Bears, at least you can watch a half decent game in decent surroundings with a half decent pint in your hand.... and by default you won't be freezing your donads off.

I'm wondering who the "degenerates" are?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: valleybaggie on March 08, 2015, 05:34:29 PM
villa  took their chances yesterday we didn't ideye and lescott should've scored and both sendings off were a joke.nevermind we move on to the next game,if irvine was still here we'd be relegated by now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on March 08, 2015, 05:41:14 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on March 08, 2015, 05:33:56 PM
I'm wondering who the "degenerates" are?!

Start with Baird and Samras
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 08, 2015, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on March 08, 2015, 05:28:24 PM
Not to my mind particularly, no, given that it was an FA Cup quarter-final. What attacking ambition does it show picking 4 centre-halves as your back four?

One of those  centre-halves created the best 2 crosses of the game. Delivering to a £10million striker who had the chance to score from within 5 yards.

You honestly think the 4 centre-halves is the reason you lost? And not the poor finishing?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on March 08, 2015, 06:27:44 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 08, 2015, 06:22:02 PM
One of those  centre-halves created the best 2 crosses of the game. Delivering to a £10million striker who had the chance to score from within 5 yards.

You honestly think the 4 centre-halves is the reason you lost? And not the poor finishing?

That's a great point. Bobby should have put the game beyond Villa before half time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 08, 2015, 06:33:46 PM
Quote from: Chipperfan on March 08, 2015, 06:27:44 PM
That's a great point. Bobby should have put the game beyond Villa before half time.

Yes he should have scored, but he didn't, it was a poor miss, but it's not at all his doing we played bloody dreadfully all match.

Hoof hoof hoof hoof

Zzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on March 08, 2015, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on March 08, 2015, 06:33:46 PM
Yes he should have scored, but he didn't, it was a poor miss, but it's not at all his doing we played bloody dreadfully all match.

Hoof hoof hoof hoof

Zzzzzzzzzz

I don't think I either said or implied it was all his doing. I thought the entire team were dreadful second half, and if anything the fact that both Ideye and Berahino are playing while  carrying injuries does them both a disservice.

Despite that though, had Bobby scored two fairly clear cut chances the game would have been over the half time.

After the break though we were aimless and clueless.

Not sure what you mean by the "Zzzzzzz" comment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on March 08, 2015, 06:46:34 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 08, 2015, 06:22:02 PM
One of those  centre-halves created the best 2 crosses of the game. Delivering to a £10million striker who had the chance to score from within 5 yards.

The cross for Ideye was delivered by Craig Gardner.

Ed: Or did he miss more than one absolute sitter supplied from the right?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fatboy_coach on March 08, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
There was a sidefoot over and a header straight at keeper wasn't there?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 08, 2015, 07:03:24 PM
Quote from: Chipperfan on March 08, 2015, 06:45:58 PM
I don't think I either said or implied it was all his doing. I thought the entire team were dreadful second half, and if anything the fact that both Ideye and Berahino are playing while  carrying injuries does them both a disservice.

Despite that though, had Bobby scored two fairly clear cut chances the game would have been over the half time.

After the break though we were aimless and clueless.

Not sure what you mean by the "Zzzzzzz" comment.

You didn't and i wasn't implying you did. But several comments on here by several people seem to be putting our loss down to Bobby missing that one and that's a false and lazy analysis. How Pulis can say we were in control of the game is beyond me.

The Zzzzzz comment is in regards to our games of late being dull as hell, not against your comment. I got two mates to watch the game with me in a pub in Bristol. One Sheff Weds, one Swansea. Both had totally given up watching after about 55mins as it was dull as hell. All we do is hoof it long to a small guy and a bigger one who is essentially on his own.

Pulis went to a team who are famous for not scoring and went in with 5 defenders and a defensive midfielder. He went in hoping to nick a 1-0..... I believe him that he values the cups, but that approach was the worset possible one to make.

I value his keeping us up, which i believe he will do, but i'd love him to be gone this summer. This approach is killing me. I may stop watching soon and just keep an eye on the results.

I'll always be Albion, but football is supposed to be entertainment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on March 08, 2015, 07:06:49 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on March 08, 2015, 05:20:57 PM
I am impressed. I bet Mourinho is worried there is available someone around with far superior "management."skills as your good self Sir!

As with every sport in the world there are far better players, coaches and managers that never take part in sports.  Incidentally I wouldn't deem Mourinho anywhere as excellent Sir Alex Ferguson as he buys and inherits his teams, why do you choose Mourinho as a prime example?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 08, 2015, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Baggies54 on March 08, 2015, 07:06:49 PM
As with every sport in the world there are far better players, coaches and managers that never take part in sports.  Incidentally I wouldn't deem Mourinho anywhere as excellent Sir Alex Ferguson as he buys and inherits his teams, why do you choose Mourinho as a prime example?
Because I was pulling your leg mate! No nother reason.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on March 08, 2015, 07:22:22 PM
still cant believe pulis gifted this win to them,playing lescott at leftback didn't he see how bad that was at blues in the cup,even with our 2 bad misses we should not have lost this game,just replace fletcher with mulumbu,thats all that was needed,when we went a goal down,olson,morrison and brunty for sess, mac and mulumbu straight away would have given us a chance,the football is dire
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on March 08, 2015, 07:50:16 PM
It wasn't a vintage Baggies performance, granted, especially after Villa scored their first goal, but it seems some on here watched a different game to me. We should've been at least 2 goals up by the break, with 2 great chances for Ideye, an early chance for Berahino when put through by Gardner & a couple of other half chances as well. In return, I don't think Villa threatened our goal in any way until Sinclair had his cross/shot smothered by Myhill right on half-time. To say we went there with no attacking intent is well wide of the mark imo!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on March 08, 2015, 08:05:24 PM
The TP game plan away from home is first and foremost, keep a clean sheet. The problem happens  if we do concede a goal, what's the game plan then? I think we saw on Saturday. Lots of long balls forward and hope for a lucky knock down. One of the differences with us and Villa, is that they have players who can carry the ball forward from midfield. We have arguably just Morisson and Fletcher .  Yacob , Gardener and Brunt are ball winners and passers, but none have the pace to get past players going forward.  So TP is stuck with the players he has at his disposal. My feeling is that TP will use this as an excuse to buy the big, ugly No.9 in the summer, that he probably wanted in the last window. I think we will see a lot more direct football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 08, 2015, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 08, 2015, 02:07:02 PM
Know eff all about football? Ive played a level only you would dream of.

So what positives can you take from our last 6 games?

Are you happy with the apparent football that weve played the last 6 games?

I can tell you now that the football is non existant, tony pulis does not have a scoody doo. We are turning into stoke game after game.

Im dreading the summer when we try and sign the donkey carlton cole and players like robert huth.

If you are happy with that sh1te thats been served up the past 6 games then more fool you.

I don't particularly care what level of football you have played at, your comments and expectations prove you don't know much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on March 08, 2015, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on March 08, 2015, 08:13:28 PM
I don't particularly care what level of football you have played at, your comments and expectations prove you don't know much.

 
I'm not sure it proves this is anyway. Our best two performances under Pulis (Swansea/West Ham) have been when we've played it on the deck. I don't think it's a coincidence these coincide with Ideye's best performances in an Albion shirt either. I understand people can argue we can't play the same away as we do at home but Villa aren't no great shakes. They've been berift of confidence all season and we go and put in two performances in a row like that. The perfomance on Tuesday gave Pulis a chance to change things and the best he could come up with was playing an extra centre back ? Poor all round really

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on March 08, 2015, 09:04:12 PM
In a way, it was easier for Villa than for us on Tues, as for them it was really a must win, so they came at us and for whatever reason we were stodgy, maybe too ready to settle for a draw.

On Saturday we did go out there and try to take the game by the scruff first half when they were very tentative, but then they sucker punched a goal after half time and we sort of deflated.  Dunno why Pulis didn't bring a couple of subs on earlier though, he doesn't seem to like doing so, does he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on March 08, 2015, 09:12:08 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on March 08, 2015, 07:18:48 PM
Because I was pulling your leg mate! No nother reason.

Well you got me, hook, line and sinker...... :)

Bit tetchy to say the least right now... :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 08, 2015, 09:23:47 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on March 08, 2015, 08:13:28 PM
I don't particularly care what level of football you have played at, your comments and expectations prove you don't know much.

 ;D

Sorry as to not having the same opinion as you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 08, 2015, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on March 08, 2015, 08:13:28 PM
I don't particularly care what level of football you have played at, your comments and expectations prove you don't know much.

The lack of answers to my questions proves you dont know too much either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 08, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Quote from: Baggies54 on March 08, 2015, 09:12:08 PM
Well you got me, hook, line and sinker...... :)

Bit tetchy to say the least right now... :)
I know what you were trying to say.Fair Play to you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 09, 2015, 09:43:03 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 08, 2015, 09:23:47 PM
;D

Sorry as to not having the same opinion as you.

The situation is clear at the moment, pulis has to do the best he can with the players that he has got, he has to get results any which way he can to keep us in the prem, we should be reserving judgement to when we are well into next season when he has had the chance to build his squad and team.

We shouldn't be assuming the quality of players he will bring in or the style of football, his job at Palace proved that.

We have had over 2 years of poor signings at the club, poor management all the way down from JP to the Head Coaches, we are hopefully starting an upward trend at the club.

I as well as many fans at the club aren't bothered about the performances this season as long as we get another 9 points on the board and we are still in the prem, we also haven't fell for the mysterious myth of 'The Albion Way' either as that hasn't been seen since the 70's, unless 'The Albion Way' is putting 90 minutes of poor quality, poor passing, poor effort and the poor defending that we have seen over the last few years.

As for your opinion you are quite entitled to it and I don't agree with it, but I hasten to add you were the one that mentioned your credentials in the first place as a way of saying that you are the one in the right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 09, 2015, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: Sessegod on March 09, 2015, 09:43:03 AM
The situation is clear at the moment, pulis has to do the best he can with the players that he has got, he has to get results any which way he can to keep us in the prem, we should be reserving judgement to when we are well into next season when he has had the chance to build his squad and team.

We shouldn't be assuming the quality of players he will bring in or the style of football, his job at Palace proved that.

We have had over 2 years of poor signings at the club, poor management all the way down from JP to the Head Coaches, we are hopefully starting an upward trend at the club.

I as well as many fans at the club aren't bothered about the performances this season as long as we get another 9 points on the board and we are still in the prem, we also haven't fell for the mysterious myth of 'The Albion Way' either as that hasn't been seen since the 70's, unless 'The Albion Way' is putting 90 minutes of poor quality, poor passing, poor effort and the poor defending that we have seen over the last few years.

As for your opinion you are quite entitled to it and I don't agree with it, but I hasten to add you were the one that mentioned your credentials in the first place as a way of saying that you are the one in the right.
My sentiments exactly, some of our fans seem to have great aspirations for a squad that is quite poor in terms of ability, and prior to TP's arrival, very lacking in terms of commitment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 09, 2015, 10:08:46 AM
Wise words from Sessegod.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 09, 2015, 10:17:47 AM
Quote from: Sessegod on March 09, 2015, 09:43:03 AM
The situation is clear at the moment, pulis has to do the best he can with the players that he has got, he has to get results any which way he can to keep us in the prem, we should be reserving judgement to when we are well into next season when he has had the chance to build his squad and team.

We shouldn't be assuming the quality of players he will bring in or the style of football, his job at Palace proved that.

We have had over 2 years of poor signings at the club, poor management all the way down from JP to the Head Coaches, we are hopefully starting an upward trend at the club.

I as well as many fans at the club aren't bothered about the performances this season as long as we get another 9 points on the board and we are still in the prem, we also haven't fell for the mysterious myth of 'The Albion Way' either as that hasn't been seen since the 70's, unless 'The Albion Way' is putting 90 minutes of poor quality, poor passing, poor effort and the poor defending that we have seen over the last few years.

As for your opinion you are quite entitled to it and I don't agree with it, but I hasten to add you were the one that mentioned your credentials in the first place as a way of saying that you are the one in the right.

We have just lost twice to a team fighting relegation, they hadnt won in 12 games. If we had lost to a mid table premier league team ie tottenham, everton, swansea, newcastle then maybe most fans would not really moan that much, but to lose to a team that has barely won a game all season or barely scored any goals, im sorry but im not having it.

first and foremost the manager picks the team which we respect. we were rubbish tuesday night and although we had a better first half were equally bad the second half. what really pi55es me off is that tony pulis does not seem to learn from his mistakes, is too stubburn to make substitutions, and above all tactically inept. to play 4 central defenders says it all really dont it.

both games have cried out for sessegnon (i guess you know what he can do hence your screenname) so my question is, if we can all see it, why cant he? people saying hes got family problems / slightly injured, well why on earth was he on the bench?

i dont know who you think he is going to bring in to be the saviour. he had the whole of january to bring in players, and we eneded up with mcmanaman who no doubt is quality, so why dont he play him week in week out? is he fit? why sign a player who isnt fit if not? he is so negative and sets us up not to concede, but that obviously is not working is it? plan A seems great in theory but trying to execute it is not working, we simply do not have a plan B.

ill say it again, pulis will lose the majority of the crowd with dire inept football. mark my words.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on March 09, 2015, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 09, 2015, 10:17:47 AM
We have just lost twice to a team fighting relegation, they hadnt won in 12 games. If we had lost to a mid table premier league team ie tottenham, everton, swansea, newcastle then maybe most fans would not really moan that much, but to lose to a team that has barely won a game all season or barely scored any goals, im sorry but im not having it.

first and foremost the manager picks the team which we respect. we were rubbish tuesday night and although we had a better first half were equally bad the second half. what really pi55es me off is that tony pulis does not seem to learn from his mistakes, is too stubburn to make substitutions, and above all tactically inept. to play 4 central defenders says it all really dont it.

both games have cried out for sessegnon (i guess you know what he can do hence your screenname) so my question is, if we can all see it, why cant he? people saying hes got family problems / slightly injured, well why on earth was he on the bench?

i dont know who you think he is going to bring in to be the saviour. he had the whole of january to bring in players, and we eneded up with mcmanaman who no doubt is quality, so why dont he play him week in week out? is he fit? why sign a player who isnt fit if not? he is so negative and sets us up not to concede, but that obviously is not working is it? plan A seems great in theory but trying to execute it is not working, we simply do not have a plan B.

ill say it again, pulis will lose the majority of the crowd with dire inept football. mark my words.

The main sticking point for me, apart from the above. we know that Lescott is atrocious at left back so why put him and us through it yet again. If Pulis is as unforgiving as he appears to be then I dont know how we can seriously move forward as a club with him in charge. We've got Poco sat on the bench who never even makes it onto the pitch, and in my mind is the best left back we have at the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on March 09, 2015, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on March 09, 2015, 10:31:40 AM
The main sticking point for me, apart from the above. we know that Lescott is atrocious at left back so why put him and us through it yet again. If Pulis is as unforgiving as he appears to be then I dont know how we can seriously move forward as a club with him in charge. We've got Poco sat on the bench who never even makes it onto the pitch, and in my mind is the best left back we have at the club.
His biggest issue is that he is egotistical and stubborn. He has his way and that is it, it doesn't matter who disagrees or, to a point, if it works or not, he will not bend to outside pressure.
4 Centre Halves is his M.O and will continue next season, sometimes it will work sometimes it won't, but as long as we stay 17th or above he will consider it a successful ploy. Will we agree? Time will tell.
Before Tuesday we were on a good run and looked a shoe in for survival, 2 games later and we have had a wake up call. He is not Corberan, but neither is he the anti-football devil some are making him out to be.
Our aim, whether we as fans like it or not, is to stay up, he will most probably provide that year on year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 09, 2015, 11:04:23 AM
I won’t be happy until Pulis is out of our club.  I despised the man before he came and I despise him even more now.  He has provided me one of the most miserable weeks supporting the Albion and I’m laying most of last week’s misery firmly at his door.  Pathetic team selection and tactics, we are absolutely abysmal away from home, to allow that lot down the road to take the p*ss like they have is unforgivable.  Have we scored a goal from open play in an away match under Pulis yet? I can’t see us having such an opportunity to make a cup final like we had this year for another decade, spunked it up the wall, thanks Pulis.  Stop w**king on about players safety and banning fans as well and focus on your own shortcomings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on March 09, 2015, 11:32:55 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on March 09, 2015, 11:04:23 AM
I won’t be happy until Pulis is out of our club.  I despised the man before he came and I despise him even more now.  He has provided me one of the most miserable weeks supporting the Albion and I’m laying most of last week’s misery firmly at his door.  Pathetic team selection and tactics, we are absolutely abysmal away from home, to allow that lot down the road to take the p*ss like they have is unforgivable.  Have we scored a goal from open play in an away match under Pulis yet? I can’t see us having such an opportunity to make a cup final like we had this year for another decade, sp***d it up the wall, thanks Pulis.  Stop w**king on about players safety and banning fans as well and focus on your own shortcomings.

Strong words but fair IMO.

I'm prepared to put up with this boring cr*p anti-football until we are mathematically safe.

If this carries on into next season I can see fan numbers dwindling.  I've no urge to start going again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 09, 2015, 11:36:24 AM
what happened to the one off West Ham performance, were they really that bad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 09, 2015, 12:16:04 PM
It's taken me 30 years to get over the Brendon Batson back pass so I dread to think how long it will take to get over the events of last week.
Tues was unforgiveable in my eyes after we equalised you could see the viles confidence drop and instead of going for the win what do we do sit back and play for the draw.Well done Mr Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 09, 2015, 12:32:15 PM
Lescott at LB again, he will want out, if this continues, he is our best player , so why?
Sess not used, he's on the bench why not play him
Yacob booked and not subbed, why not?
Ollson, brought straight back in for 90mins after long term injury, why?
Pocognoli - why?
Gamboa - why?
2 injured strikers playing 180 minutes, good young prospect un-tried - why?
Good goalkeeper in england squads - going backwards - why?
4 central defenders - why?

I just do not understand, and before the resident stoke fan asks, no I am not a manager so maybe somethings are beyond me, but all of the above???  I do not expect TP to address these issues publicly, so I guess I'll just remain confused and dis-illusioned.

Do I think it will all change after the summer, why would I ??

If I were JP, I would be asking a few serious questions this morning!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on March 09, 2015, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on March 09, 2015, 12:16:04 PM
It's taken me 30 years to get over the Brendon Batson back pass so I dread to think how long it will take to get over the events of last week.
Tues was unforgiveable in my eyes after we equalised you could see the viles confidence drop and instead of going for the win what do we do sit back and play for the draw.Well done Mr Pulis

Still have nightmares about the Brendon Batson back pass. We do seem to exist only to be a charity for Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on March 09, 2015, 12:44:06 PM
So those who are not happy, would you rather we had stuck with Irvine? I still fully believe Irvine would have kept us up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 09, 2015, 12:48:57 PM
Quote from: Legend on March 09, 2015, 12:44:06 PM
So those who are not happy, would you rather we had stuck with Irvine? I still fully believe Irvine would have kept us up.

good question.

i think the change was right, but i think we have bought in the wrong man for the long term.

we cant all be wrong tactically can we? if we can see it from the stands, surely he can see it from the bench?

Quote from: Albionic on March 09, 2015, 12:32:15 PM
Lescott at LB again, he will want out, if this continues, he is our best player , so why?
Sess not used, he's on the bench why not play him
Yacob booked and not subbed, why not?
Ollson, brought straight back in for 90mins after long term injury, why?
Pocognoli - why?
Gamboa - why?
2 injured strikers playing 180 minutes, good young prospect un-tried - why?
Good goalkeeper in england squads - going backwards - why?
4 central defenders - why?

I just do not understand, and before the resident stoke fan asks, no I am not a manager so maybe somethings are beyond me, but all of the above???  I do not expect TP to address these issues publicly, so I guess I'll just remain confused and dis-illusioned.

Do I think it will all change after the summer, why would I ??

If I were JP, I would be asking a few serious questions this morning!


sums it up for me, good posting sir.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2015, 12:55:20 PM
Quote from: Legend on March 09, 2015, 12:44:06 PM
So those who are not happy, would you rather we had stuck with Irvine? I still fully believe Irvine would have kept us up.

Not a chance, we would be firmly rooted in the bottom three now under Irvine.

Pulis is the right man for the job to sort the mess we were left with in the short term.

As for Lescott at left back the reports were that we were going three at the back until Benteke was ruled out which is when it was switched back to the four.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on March 09, 2015, 01:14:13 PM
I cannot see how we would have been better under Irvine, nothing points to anything like the results we have had over the last 12,but last week was disappointing to say the least and I am sure TP was as disappointed as anyone. We could have been 2 nil up at half time....but.

We are in a great place in the league and Stoke will be a good test of resolve and tactics, a home win is what we should expect and demand. And if anyone knows how to beat Stoke......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on March 09, 2015, 01:15:03 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2015, 12:55:20 PM
As for Lescott at left back the reports were that we were going three at the back until Benteke was ruled out which is when it was switched back to the four.
Shouldn't Benteke being out have been a reason for not going with 4 at the back?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on March 09, 2015, 01:16:39 PM
Quote from: Legend on March 09, 2015, 12:44:06 PM
So those who are not happy, would you rather we had stuck with Irvine? I still fully believe Irvine would have kept us up.
No. I never wanted him to be appointed and he did zilch to persuade me otherwise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 09, 2015, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on March 09, 2015, 01:15:03 PM
Shouldn't Benteke being out have been a reason for not going with 4 at the back?!

for us the non-managers of this world YES!

Maybe the original plan was 5 central defenders ??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 09, 2015, 01:19:18 PM
irvine equals relegation at least with Pulis we might just survive
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 09, 2015, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on March 09, 2015, 01:15:03 PM
Shouldn't Benteke being out have been a reason for not going with 4 at the back?!

My thoughts exactly!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2015, 01:24:18 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on March 09, 2015, 01:15:03 PM
Shouldn't Benteke being out have been a reason for not going with 4 at the back?!

No idea, just saying what I heard in a couple of different reports.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
OK so after ruining a family meal on Saturday night and calming down ever so slightly here are my thoughts.

Firstly, I think Peace made the right appointment from his point of view when he hired Pulis. In the position we were in there was no safer candidate available and if had taken another risk like Mel and it backfired he would of been slaughtered so there's no blame attached there - he made the right decision.

Basically your views on Pulis will probably come down to what you value most - survival above all else, or some pride in your club and some watchable football.

If all you want is PL football at any price then I have no arguments with anyone wanting Pulis in charge. Of all the realistic candidates available to us, and even some unrealistic ones he probably guarantee's PL football more than any other. Pulis is to Stoke is what Megson is to us. A club hero who took us places we didn't think were possible so we didn't care how it was done. If for example Pulis could take us in to the top 4 playing this football then again I doubt anyone would care how it was done, but realistically the best we can hope for is 10th-14th.

So with that in mind, and with the novelty of the PL having worn off I have absolutely no interest in finishing in 13th season in season out for the sake of and playing the way we have been and will most likely continue to under Pulis. The football is an absolute disgrace. Forget the mid boggling decisions like Lescott, Pocognoli, Sess etc the football we are being served up is an absolute embarrassment to the club (and I'm not buying this 'Albion way' thing by the way, we've played more than our fair share of poor football over the years).

I live in Brighton and normally went to 10-15 games a year as a kid until I got a season ticket aged 14 and went home and away pretty much every week for 4/5 years. Due to playing football on Saturdays now at a half decent level I only make half a dozen or games a season. However I'll always go the London games and have the Palace game on the 18th pencilled in. However for the first time in my life I will now be going to that game as I feel a sense of duty to and that I have to rather than because I'm actually looking forward to it.

This isn't me falling out of love with football or Albion, I grew up with a load of plastic United, Liverpool and Arsenal fans whilst going to watch us play Stockport on a Saturday and Pompey on a Tuesday night an I'll be doing the exact same thing if we're playing those clubs again in League 2 in 5 years time, but Palace will be the first time I've ever gone to a game not actively looking forward to it and being there because I feel I should be.

An the reason for this is Pulis. I'm sorry but I don't buy the 'it's not his squad' 'give him time' 'he needs a transfer window and his own players'. Any other time/manager I'd agree with you, but this is his squad in his image. He's stripped it bare of any remotely skilled/exciting players. He's got 4 big lumbering CB's in the back just like myself and a few other said the day he was appointed. Give him a window? Well considering he tried to give Carlton Cole a 2.5 year deal in January I wont be holding my breath for the summer. Give him time? Time to do what? He has done this in every single club he's ever managed at. Of course the guy deserves time, but I can 99.99% guarantee you now exactly what he will do with that time when he gets it in the summer.

He took over in January and (unless I'm forgetting one?) we haven't scored a goal from open play in the league. That's shocking. We haven't even led in any away games, let alone actually come close to winning one. The performances apart from Swansea and West Ham have been painful to watch.

His record with with results is ok but I think is over stated. A point a game is what we need and he has 13 from 9. But you can probably write off 12 games a season against the top 6 (seriously , check his record out against half decent teams). Lets be generous and say we get 4 points a season from those 12 games. That means we need 1.3 points a game against the rest of the league to get 38 points a season and we are currently on 1.4. Over the course of the season with the other 4 points from top 6 sides we would end up on around 42 points. It keeps us up but the result so far have been a bit over inflated because the opposition we have played are all down the bottom with us bar Southampton. I feel this isn't as important as I said I do think he will keep us up both this season, and next as well, but for those willing to sacrifice everything for survival above all else the results are maybe not quite as good as the facts make them seem at this point.

We must be the easiest team to play against in the league in terms of how to set up against because every single person knows exactly what we are going to do every single game.  People may look at the Villa game and say 'well if Brown scores it's a different game' The problem is if you limit yourself to 1/2 chances per match your not going to win any/many games. You need to be creating 4/5 decent chances per match if you want to score 1 goal let alone 2+. If you play this tactic, your always 1 mistake away from defeat as Foster showed against Villa in the league and you need to take every single chance you get as Berahino showed against Southampton.

What gets me most is there's no reason for us to be playing this way. There's nothing to show you have to play this style to secure survival and playing remotely watchable football leads to relegation. If you play defensive or attacking football well you will stay up. Play either badly and you will go down. It's not like we don't have the players to play a more expansive style than we currently are and still retain a solid defensive core that Pulis would favour,  but we're never going to see that with Pulis here as he's a coward.

For me personally the best thing would be for him keep us up, and then leave in the summer. The thought of him still being here next season let alone another 2/3 years fills me with dread.However I'd be very surprised if he's not in charge for at least the next 2/3 season after this just because he's got nowhere to go. The top 6 are never going to touch him, Everton 'might' have a look but I dont think they will get rid of Martinez and I dont think they would go for Pulis in any case (unless they were 16th at this stage next season perhaps). Southampton and Swansea would never touch him, I cant see him working with Ashley at Newcastle and then there's no jobs that are really that much bigger than ours. So get used to what we have seen last week because it really doesn't get any better from here on.





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on March 09, 2015, 01:53:37 PM
No doubt this week has been a kick in the balls , no doubt since TP took over the away form and performances have been poor. I will say though we have been in a mess for a long time before TP arrived , to add to this the only forwards he has are clearly struggling with injuries and of his wide options both McManaman and Sess have both had issues. At the end of the day Pulis has only been here a short time , the home performances have been good after 2 years of lifeless rubbish ....
Could we have done better in the Jan window ? , yes we probably should have but i suspect we had to get rid of some players on decent money first. I know it's hard not to suspect we will be Stoke 2009 version but we can't lose sight of the fact TP is working with 2 years of bad choices from the club.
For me if he keeps us up I'd back him with his own players , long balls have got to stop and I 'd like to see Poco involved but overall IMO he is doing ok Villa set back accepted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 09, 2015, 02:02:20 PM
Pulis is a good manager, nothing more nothing less for me.
He will keep you in the premier league fairly easily; the same way in which Sam Allardyce would do as they know how to get points.
However, that doesn't mean that he's a mastermind. If he was, he would be with a top 6 club doing great things with his football career.
As far as I'm concerned he has a few visible faults; his away football is ugly and is far too negative in getting points, and he also has favourites (Pocognoli and Sessegnon should definitely be getting more playing time).

However, we knew this before he was our manager, and if he goes elsewhere in his managerial career you can bet the same that he will do it again, that is use players in the wrong positions, play ugly away football.

My point is; he was meant to keep us up and so far that's where he's heading. I think we should stick with him at least until the premier league money doubles or whatever it is because then we will be in a better position than for the past 20 years or so. I think 2 years of 'ugly' football at times is well worth the benefits in the long run.
However, I will also say this; some of his home football is genuinely good to watch and is very competitive against some very good teams. He is also miles better than some of our recent managers so I think some fans are getting wound up over the Villa results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: Dexy on March 09, 2015, 01:53:37 PM
No doubt this week has been a kick in the balls , no doubt since TP took over the away form and performances have been poor. I will say though is doing hat we have been in a mess for a long time before TP arrived , to add to this the only forwards he has are clearly struggling with injuries and of his wide options both McManaman and Sess have both had issues. At the end of the day Pulis has only been here a short time , the home performances have been good after 2 years of lifeless rubbish ....
Could we have done better in the Jan window ? , yes we probably should have but i suspect we had to get rid of some players on decent money first. I know it's hard not to suspect we will be Stoke 2009 version but we can't lose sight of the fact TP is working with 2 years of bad choices from the club.
For me if he keeps us up I'd back him with his own players , long balls have got to stop and I 'd like to see Poco involved but overall IMO he is doing ok Villa set back accepted.

Have the home performances really been that good. Spurs was awful until the game was over. Swansea was decent and a very good result.

Southampton and Hull. Hull gifted us a goal in an awful game, I personally didn't see anything different from the Southampton game and the Villa league game, the only real difference being a great strike from Berahino and our GK not having a nightmare. It was a really good result, but the performance?

For me, any game where we are time wasting after 5 minutes can't be that good. Personally I found the whole thing embarrassing.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on March 09, 2015, 02:07:29 PM
We played well against Saints , we should have scored more than one. We played well against a fine side , I can't take that away from TP.
I do believe had we lost to someone other than Villa we wouldn't have this reaction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 09, 2015, 02:08:07 PM
Astle1968, fantastic post.  Spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 09, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
I would like to say that this "wait until the TV money doubles, we'll be ok then" argument is fundamentally flawed!

The £££'s will increase for the whole of the Premier League, so we will (assuming we're still in) be competing on the same field, just a more expensive one.

The fans will be less important (if thats possible) than they are now. TV will simply demand a bigger pound of flesh (can you get a bigger pound?) with more and more bizarre kick off times etc.

JP will quite rightly want to be in it to maximise his yields, but will the team and fans benefit?  Not one jot!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 09, 2015, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 09, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
I would like to say that this "wait until the TV money doubles, we'll be ok then" argument is fundamentally flawed!

The £££'s will increase for the whole of the Premier League, so we will (assuming we're still in) be competing on the same field, just a more expensive one.

The fans will be less important (if thats possible) than they are now. TV will simply demand a bigger pound of flesh (can you get a bigger pound?) with more and more bizarre kick off times etc.

JP will quite rightly want to be in it to maximise his yields, but will the team and fans benefit?  Not one jot!
The money will widen the gap between the Premier league 20 and the rest of the football league, so it's not a flawed argument.
If you look at the 3 who have just gone up, they are all struggling big time. If the money gap widens, it will only become harder for those who get promotion, unless you're an established team already (which hopefully we will by then).
Maybe I'm a fantasist but if it does happen like that then our chances of relegation obviously lessen with the newly promoted teams being less competitive. If that's the case then we can hopefully mount cup challenges yearly as there's less threat of relegation. If we go on to win a cup then obviously it's quite an achievement, that's my logic anyway I definitely don't think it's flawed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on March 09, 2015, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on March 09, 2015, 02:51:34 PM
The money will widen the gap between the Premier league 20 and the rest of the football league, so it's not a flawed argument.
If you look at the 3 who have just gone up, they are all struggling big time. If the money gap widens, it will only become harder for those who get promotion, unless you're an established team already (which hopefully we will by then).
Maybe I'm a fantasist but if it does happen like that then our chances of relegation obviously lessen with the newly promoted teams being less competitive. If that's the case then we can hopefully mount cup challenges yearly as there's less threat of relegation. If we go on to win a cup then obviously it's quite an achievement, that's my logic anyway I definitely don't think it's flawed.
You have just described purgatory, how horrific.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 02:58:40 PM
The TV deal doesn't change anything. All it means is that a player that cost £5m from Lille or Herenveen last year will cost us £10m next year. An average PL footballer like James Morrison or Mark Noble will be earning £70k a week instead of £35k a week.

In theory as long as you're managed correctly (like I'm sure we are with Peace) it actually makes going down less important in many ways as coming up 'should' be easier due to the massive increase in parachute payments a club would receive.

In any case, is it worth it all? Footballs about enjoyment and memories. I'm 27 and I'm pretty sure I wont be telling my kids/grandkids about any of the seasons we had with Pulis in charge, just like I'm pretty sure I wont be enjoying any of them myself.

I'll tell them about the Championship season under Mowbray when we were leading scorers in the country and humiliated the dog heads 4 times. I'll probably even tell them about the season before where we played some champagne football before losing at Wembley. I'll tell them about our first seqson in the PL despite us going down, and the great escape season. I'll tell them about Fratton Park in 1994 as a 7 year old where I stood on a box so I could see as we stayed up with 13000 away fans in the ground outnumbering the home fans. Wembley 93 will get a mention (the first season I can remember bits of), as will the surprise play off season of 1999/2000. I'll tell them about Clarkes season when we finished 8th claiming some huge scalps. Hopefully there will be many more of these memories to come, but I think 2013-20?? is going to be a blank space in our history.

Gather round kids, did I tell you about the time we beat Southampton 1-0 at home after time wasting for 86 minutes? We finished 15th that season just behind Sunderland and 4 points clear of relegation? We loved it, surviving was all that mattered you see. What about when we took 6000 to Villa park in a big FA cup quarter final, put 10 men behind the ball and hoofed it every time we got possession. No we didn't win that one, strangely we did the exact same thing 4 days before and lost that as well. I must have told you about our famous comebacks though? No not the 4-3 a West Ham, this time we were playing the mighty Burnley and valiantly held them for 20 mins before they scored twice. But we managed to force 2 corners and scored from both to earn a famous 2-2 draw. We finished between 16th and 13th 3 seasons in a row, which was a massive achievement considering we won 5 away games in 3 years and scored a total of 21 goals from open play in that time.

We are never, ever going to be a top 8 side unless something massively changes in the game (which it wont, as the game is run by the people with the money, and surprisingly they don't want things to change), so literally the only thing we can hope for is a club we can proud of on the pitch, performances we can enjoy and the odd cup run every 5 to 10 years. We don't have any of them.

At some point we will be relegated. It might be this year or next year. It might be in 5 years or 10 years but it will happen. So what's the point in sacrificing everything's that meant to be enjoyable about going to a game on a Saturday in order to prolong it for the sake of doing so if the process is as unenjoyable as this.

(For the record this is not all/entirely Pulis fault)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on March 09, 2015, 02:59:04 PM
Quote from: Dexy on March 09, 2015, 02:07:29 PM
We played well against Saints , we should have scored more than one. We played well against a fine side , I can't take that away from TP.
All I can recall from that game is us scoring early and then generally trying to hang on to 1-0. I haven't got any stats to hand, but I think we might have been in single figures for the number of attempts we had on goal again.

Again from memory, Pelle missed his kick from in front of goal inside the six yard box.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 09, 2015, 03:10:19 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 02:58:40 PM
The TV deal doesn't change anything. All it means is that a player that cost £5m from Lille or Herenveen last year will cost us £10m next year. An average PL footballer like James Morrison or Mark Noble will be earning £70k a week instead of £35k a week.

In theory as long as you're managed correctly (like I'm sure we are with Peace) it actually makes going down less important in many ways as coming up 'should' be easier due to the massive increase in parachute payments a club would receive.

In any case, is it worth it all? Footballs about enjoyment and memories. I'm 27 and I'm pretty sure I wont be telling my kids/grandkids about any of the seasons we had with Pulis in charge, just like I'm pretty sure I wont be enjoying any of them myself.

I'll tell them about the Championship season under Mowbray when we were leading scorers in the country and humiliated the dog heads 4 times. I'll probably even tell them about the season before where we played some champagne football before losing at Wembley. I'll tell them about our first seqson in the PL despite us going down, and the great escape season. I'll tell them about Fratton Park in 1994 as a 7 year old where I stood on a box so I could see as we stayed up with 13000 away fans in the ground outnumbering the home fans. Wembley 93 will get a mention (the first season I can remember bits of), as will the surprise play off season of 1999/2000. I'll tell them about Clarkes season when we finished 8th claiming some huge scalps. Hopefully there will be many more of these memories to come, but I think 2013-20?? is going to be a blank space in our history.

Gather round kids, did I tell you about the time we beat Southampton 1-0 at home after time wasting for 86 minutes? We finished 15th that season just behind Sunderland and 4 points clear of relegation? We loved it, surviving was all that mattered you see. What about when we took 6000 to Villa park in a big FA cup quarter final, put 10 men behind the ball and hoofed it every time we got possession. No we didn't win that one, strangely we did the exact same thing 4 days before and lost that as well. I must have told you about our famous comebacks though? No not the 4-3 a West Ham, this time we were playing the mighty Burnley and valiantly held them for 20 mins before they scored twice. But we managed to force 2 corners and scored from both to earn a famous 2-2 draw. We finished between 16th and 13th 3 seasons in a row, which was a massive achievement considering we won 5 away games in 3 years and scored a total of 21 goals from open play in that time.

We are never, ever going to be a top 8 side unless something massively changes in the game (which it wont, as the game is run by the people with the money, and surprisingly they don't want things to change), so literally the only thing we can hope for is a club we can proud of on the pitch, performances we can enjoy and the odd cup run every 5 to 10 years. We don't have any of them.

At some point we will be relegated. It might be this year or next year. It might be in 5 years or 10 years but it will happen. So what's the point in sacrificing everything's that meant to be enjoyable about going to a game on a Saturday in order to prolong it for the sake of doing so if the process is as unenjoyable as this.

(For the record this is not all/entirely Pulis fault)
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
OK so after ruining a family meal on Saturday night and calming down ever so slightly here are my thoughts.

Firstly, I think Peace made the right appointment from his point of view when he hired Pulis. In the position we were in there was no safer candidate available and if had taken another risk like Mel and it backfired he would of been slaughtered so there's no blame attached there - he made the right decision.

Basically your views on Pulis will probably come down to what you value most - survival above all else, or some pride in your club and some watchable football.

If all you want is PL football at any price then I have no arguments with anyone wanting Pulis in charge. Of all the realistic candidates available to us, and even some unrealistic ones he probably guarantee's PL football more than any other. Pulis is to Stoke is what Megson is to us. A club hero who took us places we didn't think were possible so we didn't care how it was done. If for example Pulis could take us in to the top 4 playing this football then again I doubt anyone would care how it was done, but realistically the best we can hope for is 10th-14th.

So with that in mind, and with the novelty of the PL having worn off I have absolutely no interest in finishing in 13th season in season out for the sake of and playing the way we have been and will most likely continue to under Pulis. The football is an absolute disgrace. Forget the mid boggling decisions like Lescott, Pocognoli, Sess etc the football we are being served up is an absolute embarrassment to the club (and I'm not buying this 'Albion way' thing by the way, we've played more than our fair share of poor football over the years).

I live in Brighton and normally went to 10-15 games a year as a kid until I got a season ticket aged 14 and went home and away pretty much every week for 4/5 years. Due to playing football on Saturdays now at a half decent level I only make half a dozen or games a season. However I'll always go the London games and have the Palace game on the 18th pencilled in. However for the first time in my life I will now be going to that game as I feel a sense of duty to and that I have to rather than because I'm actually looking forward to it.

This isn't me falling out of love with football or Albion, I grew up with a load of plastic United, Liverpool and Arsenal fans whilst going to watch us play Stockport on a Saturday and Pompey on a Tuesday night an I'll be doing the exact same thing if we're playing those clubs again in League 2 in 5 years time, but Palace will be the first time I've ever gone to a game not actively looking forward to it and being there because I feel I should be.

An the reason for this is Pulis. I'm sorry but I don't buy the 'it's not his squad' 'give him time' 'he needs a transfer window and his own players'. Any other time/manager I'd agree with you, but this is his squad in his image. He's stripped it bare of any remotely skilled/exciting players. He's got 4 big lumbering CB's in the back just like myself and a few other said the day he was appointed. Give him a window? Well considering he tried to give Carlton Cole a 2.5 year deal in January I wont be holding my breath for the summer. Give him time? Time to do what? He has done this in every single club he's ever managed at. Of course the guy deserves time, but I can 99.99% guarantee you now exactly what he will do with that time when he gets it in the summer.

He took over in January and (unless I'm forgetting one?) we haven't scored a goal from open play in the league. That's shocking. We haven't even led in any away games, let alone actually come close to winning one. The performances apart from Swansea and West Ham have been painful to watch.

His record with with results is ok but I think is over stated. A point a game is what we need and he has 13 from 9. But you can probably write off 12 games a season against the top 6 (seriously , check his record out against half decent teams). Lets be generous and say we get 4 points a season from those 12 games. That means we need 1.3 points a game against the rest of the league to get 38 points a season and we are currently on 1.4. Over the course of the season with the other 4 points from top 6 sides we would end up on around 42 points. It keeps us up but the result so far have been a bit over inflated because the opposition we have played are all down the bottom with us bar Southampton. I feel this isn't as important as I said I do think he will keep us up both this season, and next as well, but for those willing to sacrifice everything for survival above all else the results are maybe not quite as good as the facts make them seem at this point.

We must be the easiest team to play against in the league in terms of how to set up against because every single person knows exactly what we are going to do every single game.  People may look at the Villa game and say 'well if Brown scores it's a different game' The problem is if you limit yourself to 1/2 chances per match your not going to win any/many games. You need to be creating 4/5 decent chances per match if you want to score 1 goal let alone 2+. If you play this tactic, your always 1 mistake away from defeat as Foster showed against Villa in the league and you need to take every single chance you get as Berahino showed against Southampton.

What gets me most is there's no reason for us to be playing this way. There's nothing to show you have to play this style to secure survival and playing remotely watchable football leads to relegation. If you play defensive or attacking football well you will stay up. Play either badly and you will go down. It's not like we don't have the players to play a more expansive style than we currently are and still retain a solid defensive core that Pulis would favour,  but we're never going to see that with Pulis here as he's a coward.

For me personally the best thing would be for him keep us up, and then leave in the summer. The thought of him still being here next season let alone another 2/3 years fills me with dread.However I'd be very surprised if he's not in charge for at least the next 2/3 season after this just because he's got nowhere to go. The top 6 are never going to touch him, Everton 'might' have a look but I dont think they will get rid of Martinez and I dont think they would go for Pulis in any case (unless they were 16th at this stage next season perhaps). Southampton and Swansea would never touch him, I cant see him working with Ashley at Newcastle and then there's no jobs that are really that much bigger than ours. So get used to what we have seen last week because it really doesn't get any better from here on.

Cannot and will not fault any of the above. Top Posting.

 Being 28 myself, we have everything in common regards albion growing up.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on March 09, 2015, 03:23:23 PM
A couple of my mates are blues fans, they desperately wanted us to beat vile on Saturday. They each independently texted me to tell me how bloody awful albion were showing no attacking interest at all except for hoofing it towards touch. They were quite shocked at our total ineptitude.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 09, 2015, 03:35:55 PM
Of course the new TV deal will make a difference. It will be an even bigger case of the haves and the have nots in the Football League pyramid. Peace, Pulis and the West Brom staff rightly want to be in the group of haves. That's why I can't see the logic in the "I don't mind going down brigade." Miss out on a couple of seasons of Premier League money and you'll be a country mile behind the clubs that stay up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DaveWBA on March 09, 2015, 03:49:20 PM
The very fact that the last couple of pages have been all about money and not about Tony Pulis is more than enough for me to warrant knocking football on the head for a bit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 09, 2015, 04:11:39 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 09, 2015, 03:35:55 PM
Of course the new TV deal will make a difference. It will be an even bigger case of the haves and the have nots in the Football League pyramid. Peace, Pulis and the West Brom staff rightly want to be in the group of haves. That's why I can't see the logic in the "I don't mind going down brigade." Miss out on a couple of seasons of Premier League money and you'll be a country mile behind the clubs that stay up.

so there will be no clubs with mega bucks trying to break into the cartel as there are at present, really ???
If anything the extra money will drive more people to want in on the act !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 04:18:06 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 09, 2015, 03:35:55 PM
Of course the new TV deal will make a difference. It will be an even bigger case of the haves and the have nots in the Football League pyramid. Peace, Pulis and the West Brom staff rightly want to be in the group of haves. That's why I can't see the logic in the "I don't mind going down brigade." Miss out on a couple of seasons of Premier League money and you'll be a country mile behind the clubs that stay up.

All very well saying that, but can anyone really tell me what's so amazing about the PL that to miss out would be a disaster?

If this was part of a plan to finish 17th, stabilize, establish and progress then great, I can take a couple of years of pooh from Pulis. But what we are seeing now is the plan - stay up by any means necessary and take 15th each season if offered it in August.

Obviously when we are in the Championship I want us to go up, and when we are in the PL I don't want us to go down, but in terms of PL being vital to us as a club and us as supporters? Not for me it isn't, and certainly not if we carry on playing the way we are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2015, 04:28:39 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 04:18:06 PM
All very well saying that, but can anyone really tell me what's so amazing about the PL that to miss out would be a disaster?

If this was part of a plan to finish 17th, stabilize, establish and progress then great, I can take a couple of years of pooh from Pulis. But what we are seeing now is the plan - stay up by any means necessary and take 15th each season if offered it in August.

Obviously when we are in the Championship I want us to go up, and when we are in the PL I don't want us to go down, but in terms of PL being vital to us as a club and us as supporters? Not for me it isn't, and certainly not if we carry on playing the way we are.

Hasn't that been the aim of this club for a number of years ? forget the Pulis factor as he's irrelevant in this. We finished in our highest position a few years and had a chance then to try and progress but thats not the aim, the aim is just to stay in this league and has been for a while. Whether its Pulis, Irvine, Clarke, Mel, Hodgson whoever, thats the sole aim and when those in charge think that is in jeopardy are changes made.

The reason is that for us to "try" and compete with the top 6/7 will cost millions and millions which we don't have so we'll just plod along making sure we stay up year in year out, the manager/ coaches faces will change but the aim will not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2015, 04:28:39 PM
Hasn't that been the aim of this club for a number of years ? forget the Pulis factor as he's irrelevant in this. We finished in our highest position a few years and had a chance then to try and progress but thats not the aim, the aim is just to stay in this league and has been for a while. Whether its Pulis, Irvine, Clarke, Mel, Hodgson whoever, thats the sole aim and when those in charge think that is in jeopardy are changes made.

The reason is that for us to "try" and compete with the top 6/7 will cost millions and millions which we don't have so we'll just plod along making sure we stay up year in year out, the manager/ coaches faces will change but the aim will not.

And if that's the aim (as in 10th to 16th each year with the odd cup run) then I'm fine with that. It's dull and boring but as a club it's all we can achieve so I can't ask for anymore.

What we can improve is the god awful football we have been subjected to this season. If we can't progress beyond 10th (which we can't unless it's a 1 off freak season) why not have some fun whilst doing it.

Going to watch Albion should never and has never felt like a chore, but it's starting to feel that way at the moment. As I said earlier next month I'll be going to Palace because I feel like I should do not because I'm genuinely excited about the game.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2015, 04:42:58 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
And if that's the aim (as in 10th to 16th each year with the odd cup run) then I'm fine with that. It's dull and boring but as a club it's all we can achieve so I can't ask for anymore.

What we can improve is the god awful football we have been subjected to this season. If we can't progress beyond 10th (which we can't unless it's a 1 off freak season) why not have some fun whilst doing it.

Going to watch Albion should never and has never felt like a chore, but it's starting to feel that way at the moment. As I said earlier next month I'll be going to Palace because I feel like I should do not because I'm genuinely excited about the game.

You cannot solely blame Pulis for the god awful football we have put up with, its not just him. Under the last bloke I was close to giving up going away and actually missed my first home game for about 8 years due to the gutless drivel we were being served (yes I know about the last week I along wth other sat through it all). This is not great but I can see things needing changing and I don't expect instant results.

We have also played some good football under Pulis, its not all been negative dross.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 09, 2015, 04:48:04 PM
Surely the aim is to be the best you can? How can you moan about the players not putting in the effort when the general opinion is "We don't mind if we go down?"

It's not like it will be cheaper in the Championship, it will still be costing you £30+ for a ticket. Just to see inferior players? Spending all week looking forward to the visit of Rotherham and Huddersfield Town. Everybody in that league is striving to get promoted. What's the point in winning promotion just to say "Oh well I don't mind if we go down." That's defeatist before a ball is even kicked.

Lot's of money has been spent on the training ground in recent years. Would those improvements have been made without Premier League income? How would you expect beat Aston Villa in signing the good 12 and 13 year old players when their infrastructure was years ahead? Spend money on the facilities and you can pick up the better players.

Or is it more important to want to play Millwall?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on March 09, 2015, 04:59:30 PM
A couple of the performances under Pulis have been very good, hopefully we see more of those from now on, (ie - trying to play some football instead of hoofing it everytime to empty spaces)

I think the problem Pulis has is that although he comes with a good reputation for keeping teams up, but also a reputation for dour and negative football, i think a lot of fans (myself included) will always give managers a chance whoever it is and in many ways were happy to have Pulis for survival reasons, the concern would be that the entertainment factor would be low based on his Stoke team, whether thats with this group of players of if he brings his own in.

As stated on a previous post on this topic, the first few games were about getting points on board, job done, he did it great, after the Swansea and West Ham games we added some entertainment into that too and at that time i was thinking i could get used to this, however since then we have reverted backwards, it was almost like having a taster of something good, to then have it taken away for no apparent reason.

The players have shown they can play football and get results, thats why i dont understand recent matches. Fans apprehensive about Pulis way were mainly onside with him because all of a sudden we were in a very winnable cup quarter final against a local rival, rubbish performances before were forgotten to a certain exten because this was something to look forward to, get us excited, yet the one thing you expect above anything else with a Pulis team is hard to beat and the last 2 x games we havent been, we went out with a whimper, without fight.

To me the damage was done last Tuesday and Saturday was just an extension of that, the football, tactics, personnel, etc were all wrong, yet what is confusing Pulis himself said he has inherited a group of footballers here so why is playing the hit empty patches of grass style, he can make us hard to beat and good going forward as he has shown previous. I think all the last few games have done is confirm some fans worst fears.

I dont want Pulis sacked or anything, i hope he looks at the games and thinks that way of playing doesnt suit us and in the summer adds to the decent footballers we have with some pace (and quality) but unfortunately i see us becoming more about big strong athletes with even less quality. (I hope i am wrong because i like him as a bloke too)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 05:01:54 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2015, 04:42:58 PM
You cannot solely blame Pulis for the god awful football we have put up with, its not just him. Under the last bloke I was close to giving up going away and actually missed my first home game for about 8 years due to the gutless drivel we were being served (yes I know about the last week I along wth other sat through it all). This is not great but I can see things needing changing and I don't expect instant results.

We have also played some good football under Pulis, its not all been negative dross.

In fairness I did say in an earlier post I don't hold Pulis solely responsible.

I didn't mind Irvine in the sense he was out of his depth but a likeable character who I have no doubt was trying his best. He just wasn't good enough and wasn't capable of producing anything better than what he served up. And in his defence there were a lot more games that were half decent to watch than we have had under Pulis. But the blame for Irvine should be with Peace, not Irvine himself who just wasn't up to the job but gave it his best.

What gets me about Pulis is I think he's capable of so much more. I think the team is capable of so much more (as even Irvine managed to show us) but Pulis is to much of a coward to ever show it.

Of course under Irvine, even Hodgson at times we went in to games quite happy to walk away with a point, but I never saw us actively trying to not to win games which I think we've been subjected to numerous times under Pulis. Even when the possibility was almost handed to us on a plate against Burnley and Villa in the league and it looked like only one winner we bottled it the minute we were back on level terms and I can't tolerate that. Were not talking about throwing 10 men forward at 1-1 in the 60th min, were talking about not playing with 10 men behind the ball against very poor teams that look beaten. It stinks

I've seen some people compare us very loosely to Chelsea, and how Mourinho will settle for a point in some games which i what PUlis does. Now I appreciate the difference in class/expectations, but when Chelsea play defensively (which they do from time to time) they always play with Hazard and they always play with at least 2 of Oscar/Willian and Fabregas. They keep a tight shape, they are happy to concede some possession and territory but they have 3/4 players who can win you a game on their own.

Now of course we don't have those class of players, but in our own right we have Sessegnon, we had Varela, we had Blanco etc and they were all bombed/frozen out the second Pulis came in. Look when Mourinho goes somewhere and clearly sets up for a point. The midfield/attack will be

        Matic    Ramires/Mikel

Willian    Fabregas             Hazard

Pulis would play

Ramires   Matic   Mikel  Fabregas

Saying that Mourinho has just pushed Zouma in to centre mid so maybe Pulis is just ahead of his time by picking as many centre backs as possible in the starting 11 :-)
     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2015, 05:19:55 PM
You say games under Irvine were half decent to watch, I don't see that, I saw plenty of passing going nowhere and threatening nothing. I don't care how likeable he was to be honest, he didn't help himself with his selections either.

Some of the football under Pulis has been nice to see and maybe with a few additions it woulds gain better results. I saw a comment that he doesn't like certain types of players but Etherington at Stoke and Ince who he signed at Palce are both exciting wingers so he doesn't just prefer the big lumps at the back and up front.

Pulis maybe capable of much more but he also stated when he came in that it would take him a couple of months to say whether he thought we were capable of staying up or not, this squad is a poor squad with the stay of some players 2/3 years beyond their dates and the main job for Pulis is to stay up at all costs.

We have cut out the individual errors (please don't mention Foster  :D ) in the main and have replaced Wisdom with someone who can actually defend and has actually shown in recent games he can do a job attacking as well. I have no idea why Pocognoli does not feature which surprises me to be honest as I thought he would be a Pulis player.

I don't want to be known as a club that play lovely football as they get relegated. I'd rather us become a side hard to beat which until the last two games we were becoming that. I'm also not sure Pulis is totally to blame for the two games against villa, yes he could have done a couple of things different with Sess and McManaman coming in maybe but those who were on the pitch are not young kids, they are experienced pros who bottled it on the big occasion not once but twice.

If by next October or so things have not changed then I and I guess others will become bored/ concerned but for now its as I expected to be honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 05:20:44 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 09, 2015, 04:48:04 PM
Surely the aim is to be the best you can? How can you moan about the players not putting in the effort when the general opinion is "We don't mind if we go down?"

It's not like it will be cheaper in the Championship, it will still be costing you £30+ for a ticket. Just to see inferior players? Spending all week looking forward to the visit of Rotherham and Huddersfield Town. Everybody in that league is striving to get promoted. What's the point in winning promotion just to say "Oh well I don't mind if we go down." That's defeatist before a ball is even kicked.

Lot's of money has been spent on the training ground in recent years. Would those improvements have been made without Premier League income? How would you expect beat Aston Villa in signing the good 12 and 13 year old players when their infrastructure was years ahead? Spend money on the facilities and you can pick up the better players.

Or is it more important to want to play Millwall?

yes that would have been a decent post if I had said anything remotely like that.

Where have I said I don't mind if we go down? Where have I said the cost of tickets has anything to do with anything? Where have I said anything about the players not putting effort in?

As for spending all week looking forward to Huddersfield or Rotherham? Ironically the only part your got right. I'll be sitting at work all week looking forward to those games. Just like I did for the first 15 years of watching us and just like I will be at some point in the future. What I don't look forward to is going to Hull away and having 1 shot on target whilst having 20 men behind the ball. every. single .week.

The whole point is it's not important if were playing Man Utd or Millwall, it's important you enjoy it and I don't see any enjoyment with Pulis football after this season.

Listen I understand you worship Pulis, he must be similar to Stoke fans as Megson is to us, and it's good to interact with other fans. But are you related to him in some way? I probably dislike Pulis far more than most others, but even I can admit he does have some very strong plus point for a club like ours. You don't seem to able to admit he has even the slightest weakness to his managerial armour (which has shown several chinks even before he joined us, let alone before this week) to the extent your following his progress on another teams bored defending him against any comment remotely negative to him, even when your responses are nothing to do with the point made.

I know that probably comes across rude, and as I say it's good having other fans on the board, I've visited the Oatcake several times in the past and had some good conversations with your lot, but to just point blank refuse to concede there's anything wrong with him and his style is a just a bit weird/blinkered. He took you guys in to the PL from nowhere, took you to a cup final and in to Europe and is probably the most divisive manager in your history with plenty happy to see the back of him. Surely you can see that considering he's done none of that good stuff with us (yet) that his style is not going to be everyones cup of tea.

Maybe the PL is everything to you, I'm sure it is for a number of Albion fans as well and whilst I'm not going to judge you or Albion fans on here in any way (I'm ware there are a number of older ones who want PL at all costs as well) for wanting PL as if all other football is irellevant I suspect a large number of them are a younger generation who have grown up with Sky Sports 24/7 and football league highlights on at midnight as an after thought.

Out of interest, what so bad about playing Rotherham and Huddersfield?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on March 09, 2015, 06:08:52 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
OK so after ruining a family meal on Saturday night and calming down ever so slightly here are my thoughts.

Firstly, I think Peace made the right appointment from his point of view when he hired Pulis. In the position we were in there was no safer candidate available and if had taken another risk like Mel and it backfired he would of been slaughtered so there's no blame attached there - he made the right decision.

Basically your views on Pulis will probably come down to what you value most - survival above all else, or some pride in your club and some watchable football.

If all you want is PL football at any price then I have no arguments with anyone wanting Pulis in charge. Of all the realistic candidates available to us, and even some unrealistic ones he probably guarantee's PL football more than any other. Pulis is to Stoke is what Megson is to us. A club hero who took us places we didn't think were possible so we didn't care how it was done. If for example Pulis could take us in to the top 4 playing this football then again I doubt anyone would care how it was done, but realistically the best we can hope for is 10th-14th.

So with that in mind, and with the novelty of the PL having worn off I have absolutely no interest in finishing in 13th season in season out for the sake of and playing the way we have been and will most likely continue to under Pulis. The football is an absolute disgrace. Forget the mid boggling decisions like Lescott, Pocognoli, Sess etc the football we are being served up is an absolute embarrassment to the club (and I'm not buying this 'Albion way' thing by the way, we've played more than our fair share of poor football over the years).

I live in Brighton and normally went to 10-15 games a year as a kid until I got a season ticket aged 14 and went home and away pretty much every week for 4/5 years. Due to playing football on Saturdays now at a half decent level I only make half a dozen or games a season. However I'll always go the London games and have the Palace game on the 18th pencilled in. However for the first time in my life I will now be going to that game as I feel a sense of duty to and that I have to rather than because I'm actually looking forward to it.

This isn't me falling out of love with football or Albion, I grew up with a load of plastic United, Liverpool and Arsenal fans whilst going to watch us play Stockport on a Saturday and Pompey on a Tuesday night an I'll be doing the exact same thing if we're playing those clubs again in League 2 in 5 years time, but Palace will be the first time I've ever gone to a game not actively looking forward to it and being there because I feel I should be.

An the reason for this is Pulis. I'm sorry but I don't buy the 'it's not his squad' 'give him time' 'he needs a transfer window and his own players'. Any other time/manager I'd agree with you, but this is his squad in his image. He's stripped it bare of any remotely skilled/exciting players. He's got 4 big lumbering CB's in the back just like myself and a few other said the day he was appointed. Give him a window? Well considering he tried to give Carlton Cole a 2.5 year deal in January I wont be holding my breath for the summer. Give him time? Time to do what? He has done this in every single club he's ever managed at. Of course the guy deserves time, but I can 99.99% guarantee you now exactly what he will do with that time when he gets it in the summer.

He took over in January and (unless I'm forgetting one?) we haven't scored a goal from open play in the league. That's shocking. We haven't even led in any away games, let alone actually come close to winning one. The performances apart from Swansea and West Ham have been painful to watch.

His record with with results is ok but I think is over stated. A point a game is what we need and he has 13 from 9. But you can probably write off 12 games a season against the top 6 (seriously , check his record out against half decent teams). Lets be generous and say we get 4 points a season from those 12 games. That means we need 1.3 points a game against the rest of the league to get 38 points a season and we are currently on 1.4. Over the course of the season with the other 4 points from top 6 sides we would end up on around 42 points. It keeps us up but the result so far have been a bit over inflated because the opposition we have played are all down the bottom with us bar Southampton. I feel this isn't as important as I said I do think he will keep us up both this season, and next as well, but for those willing to sacrifice everything for survival above all else the results are maybe not quite as good as the facts make them seem at this point.

We must be the easiest team to play against in the league in terms of how to set up against because every single person knows exactly what we are going to do every single game.  People may look at the Villa game and say 'well if Brown scores it's a different game' The problem is if you limit yourself to 1/2 chances per match your not going to win any/many games. You need to be creating 4/5 decent chances per match if you want to score 1 goal let alone 2+. If you play this tactic, your always 1 mistake away from defeat as Foster showed against Villa in the league and you need to take every single chance you get as Berahino showed against Southampton.

What gets me most is there's no reason for us to be playing this way. There's nothing to show you have to play this style to secure survival and playing remotely watchable football leads to relegation. If you play defensive or attacking football well you will stay up. Play either badly and you will go down. It's not like we don't have the players to play a more expansive style than we currently are and still retain a solid defensive core that Pulis would favour,  but we're never going to see that with Pulis here as he's a coward.

For me personally the best thing would be for him keep us up, and then leave in the summer. The thought of him still being here next season let alone another 2/3 years fills me with dread.However I'd be very surprised if he's not in charge for at least the next 2/3 season after this just because he's got nowhere to go. The top 6 are never going to touch him, Everton 'might' have a look but I dont think they will get rid of Martinez and I dont think they would go for Pulis in any case (unless they were 16th at this stage next season perhaps). Southampton and Swansea would never touch him, I cant see him working with Ashley at Newcastle and then there's no jobs that are really that much bigger than ours. So get used to what we have seen last week because it really doesn't get any better from here on.
the best post ive read on this thread
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 09, 2015, 07:30:06 PM
If the plan is
1. Survive,
2. Stabalise and
3. Improve the style

no-one (repeat no-one) could complain. It may well be that the current negativeness (mine included) is totally un-founded, only time will tell.

TP's history would suggest otherwise on stage 3 though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 09, 2015, 08:59:18 PM
I've said all season we would not go down.  We would not have gone down under Irvine and I believe we will not go down under Pulis. People didn't want Irvine in from the start and the decision to sack him was not a massive surprise and probably the right decision at the time because the growing swell of feeling in the ground that was negatively impacting on the pitch. The same scenario will see the downfall of Pulis in due course.  The timing of Pulis appointment was clever by Peace because it coincided with a run of games that were winnable and immediately got the crowd on his side. I expect personally by the end of the season that Pulis and Irvine will not have too dissimilar records, quite conceivably we will have gone on a run of 5 or 6 games losing consecutively with our run in and the players that we now have available to us.
For me, Pulis seems a decent fella and whilst he is our manager he deserves our support.  That said, I don’t like his philosophy nor his style of football and will probably not mourn his departure when it inevitably happens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on March 09, 2015, 09:28:23 PM
I will never be a TP fan, but if it means staying up this season, I'll tolerate his playing style for the time being. However, what I don't want, and I've heard a few pundits hinting at it already, is for West Brom to aquire a reputation up and down the country as a boring, route one, switch off the telly club. Let's face it, Stoke got that reputation, but I don't want West Brom to get it. 
Although Fletcher's availability would offer a bit more flair, watching away matches is going to be grim. It's all about a war of attrition and keeping a clean sheet. However, if we do go behind, we are generally stuffed. (Burnley away being the exception to prove the rule!)
I would like to know, maybe the Stokie can tell us, how often TP teams away from home, came back from behind to get a result. Hardly ever I would guess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 09, 2015, 09:45:31 PM
We should wait & see after this season! We are trying to stay up first & foremost so the means justify the end! We all agree we need better players surely!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on March 09, 2015, 10:43:06 PM
Quote from: alex1 on March 09, 2015, 09:28:23 PM
I would like to know, maybe the Stokie can tell us, how often TP teams away from home, came back from behind to get a result. Hardly ever I would guess.

Can't give you the stats on that but our "come back" away record in the PL reads as follows:

With TP - Played 5, Won 0, Drawn 2 (giving him credit for the West Ham draw)
Without TP - Played 161, Won 3, Drawn 27

He hardly has much to live up to on that score, does he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 09, 2015, 10:44:51 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on March 09, 2015, 10:43:06 PM
Can't give you the stats on that but our "come back" away record in the PL reads as follows:

With TP - Played 5, Won 0, Drawn 2 (giving him credit for the West Ham draw)
Without TP - Played 161, Won 3, Drawn 27

He hardly has much to live up to on this score, does he?

jesus, that is appalling!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on March 09, 2015, 11:04:28 PM
The way we are setting up, applying ourselves, and parking every bus in Leons yard away from home at the moment,  our away record won't improve one iota.
I can see our away following dropping dramatically to less that 1,000 if this away-from-home rubbish continues. We aren't even making an attempt to win away from home.
I mean, seriously ??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on March 09, 2015, 11:31:31 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on March 09, 2015, 10:43:06 PM
Can't give you the stats on that but our "come back" away record in the PL reads as follows:

With TP - Played 5, Won 0, Drawn 2 (giving him credit for the West Ham draw)
Without TP - Played 161, Won 3, Drawn 27

He hardly has much to live up to on that score, does he?

In the "played" column you seem to be listing all of our away matches rather than just the ones we've gone behind in, which really skews the following stats to look worse than they are.

By my reckoning, these are the figures since 2010 (i.e. the period in which we've established ourselves as a Premier League side):

Without Tony Pulis

Gone behind in 55 away matches
Won 3 from a losing position
Drawn 14 from a losing position

We've salvaged points from 30% of away games when we've been losing.  I'd suggest that's not far off what any club outside the top six would aim for.  Naturally you'll draw more than you'll win, because most away teams will settle for the point after going behind.

Under Pulis we've gone behind 4 times on the road and rescued a point twice.  However, the time to judge will be when he's built a team of his own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 10, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on March 09, 2015, 10:43:06 PM
Can't give you the stats on that but our "come back" away record in the PL reads as follows:

With TP - Played 5, Won 0, Drawn 2 (giving him credit for the West Ham draw)
Without TP - Played 161, Won 3, Drawn 27

He hardly has much to live up to on that score, does he?

So it's a deep rooted problem then? That's strange, everybody seems to be blaming the man who has been in charge for 10 weeks.

A 50% win rate is good no matter how much people try to massage the stats. The majority of teams get more points at home than they do away. But all of a sudden only the away form counts because it's easier to criticize?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 10, 2015, 09:00:05 AM
We have just lost twice to our closet rival, second time their second string in my eyes without maximum effort 
hes got to win me over again, i need a break so i wont be going saturday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 10, 2015, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 10, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
So it's a deep rooted problem then? That's strange, everybody seems to be blaming the man who has been in charge for 10 weeks.

A 50% win rate is good no matter how much people try to massage the stats. The majority of teams get more points at home than they do away. But all of a sudden only the away form counts because it's easier to criticize?

I s'pose those stats support the Pulis, "Rule number 1 - do not concede first" strategy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on March 10, 2015, 12:53:33 PM
That's what I don't get, the whole 0-0 strategy.. It had some basis until we conceded 4 goals in 4 days against a team who'd only scored 13 league goals all season previous to that..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 10, 2015, 01:21:52 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 10, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
So it's a deep rooted problem then? That's strange, everybody seems to be blaming the man who has been in charge for 10 weeks.

A 50% win rate is good no matter how much people try to massage the stats. The majority of teams get more points at home than they do away. But all of a sudden only the away form counts because it's easier to criticize?

How about a 0% win ratio away from home

Leading for 0 minutes away from home.

0 wins from games against Everton, Burnley, Sunderland, Villa x 2

7 shots on target in 4 league away games (all against sides in the bottom 7)

0 or 1 shot on target in 75% of our away league games

Average of 38% possession in those 4 league away games

I'm sure most managers win % would be inflated if they could include games against Birmingham and Gateshead.


Just to clarify again, I don't think anybody is saying overall Pulis results have been poor even after a terrible week. But surely even the biggest Pulis fans (and you seem to be in a class of your own here) can see the performances have largely been dreadful and embarrassing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Big Al on March 10, 2015, 01:40:25 PM
Lived and worked in the Stoke area for many years and I can tell you that after the honeymoon period of promotion and stability in the prem rather like Megson he was adored. However after the second year in the prem even after the cup final fans opinions of TP were deeply devided.
Many Stoke fans rate him an excellent manager but despise his style of football and boderline use of the rules to gain any advantage.
For me he will probably keep us up but I have doubts about development or entertainment in the future. His transfer record is mixed to put it kindly, Palacious, Sadibie, or an ageing Gundjohnson or Owen anyone?
My one hope is that the era of defeats to them will end so I can at last give some banter back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 10, 2015, 01:42:22 PM
That's what I mean about massaging the stats Astle. Using the stats you have just added, you can make things sound worse than they were under Alan Irvine. Overall he's doing twice as well as the previous head coach which is what counts the most.

A couple of other stats at hand:

5 home wins in the first quarter of 2015 compared to 3 home wins in the whole of 2014.
7 clean sheets in his 12 games compared to 6 clean sheets in 22 games for Irvine.

Possession stats will always irrelevant because they don't give you extra points at the end of a game. You could have 40% possession and win a game, then the next week have 50% possession and lose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 10, 2015, 02:31:30 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 10, 2015, 01:42:22 PM
That's what I mean about massaging the stats Astle. Using the stats you have just added, you can make things sound worse than they were under Alan Irvine. Overall he's doing twice as well as the previous head coach which is what counts the most.

A couple of other stats at hand:

5 home wins in the first quarter of 2015 compared to 3 home wins in the whole of 2014.
7 clean sheets in his 12 games compared to 6 clean sheets in 22 games for Irvine.

Possession stats will always irrelevant because they don't give you extra points at the end of a game. You could have 40% possession and win a game, then the next week have 50% possession and lose.

No your missing the point, you've accused people of massaging stats and then used a massaged stat (which includes a game against Gateshead that he wasn't really in charge for) to prove what a great job he's doing. So my reply is that if you want to do that (which is fine) then theres plenty of other negative stats which show just why many people are fed up with him and his style. Your basically saying anyone could use stats to show anything, and heres my stat which proves just how good he is.

Possession stats are irrelevant when you win some games and lose others. When you go in to a game with the plan of putting everyone behind the ball and hoofing it pretty much every time you get it conceding possession again and again and again, and don't win or even come close to winning any of those games then instead of being a worthless statistic it's probably something you should pay close attention to and wonder 'hmm if we tried actually playing some football maybe we would do better and get more points in these games'. Considering he had the exact same style at Stoke which didnt work for 5 years I'm amazed a man of his stature in the game seems to still think this the best/only way to approach these fixtures
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on March 10, 2015, 02:47:32 PM
I can see why Pulis selected the defense on Saturday.  I think he was reacting to Benteke's performance on Tuesday - and was planning to play 3-5-2.  Benteke's absence meant that he reverted to a back 4, which wasn't able to deal with Vile's pace on the counter attack (either on Tuesday or Saturday).  It would have been much more comfortable if we had anyone at the back with some pace (Gamboa maybe). 

I don't know why Sess was not selected - I hope its because of the 'personal problem' Pulis mentioned rather that Pulis' preference.

Our lump it tactics in the 2nd half (on Saturday) were just incredible to behold.  We just kept giving them the ball back. 

Then a dodgy refereeing decision made it even more difficult for us.

Most of all I am bitterly, bitterly disappointed in the last 7 days.  I am angry that we've been let down so badly on the pitch.  Before they played us Vile had not won in the league in 13 attempts since 7th December (that was 1 win in 19 PL games) and they'd only scored 3 goals in the league in those 13 games.  Before Tuesday Vile had scored 3 goals in the 2nd half of PL games this season. 

I feel that this last week has been a triple whammy - with our most hated rivals beating us twice and kick-starting their season and revival. 

I am going to give Pulis the benefit of the doubt for this season.  He has (very) limited resources, that he obviously doesn't think that highly of or trust.  Hopefully he'll soon get us over the line (points wise) and we'll be able to play more football.

I am really concerned about the summer.  For the 3rd year running we need to undertake a really major refurbishment of the playing staff.  This isn't his fault.  However, I have to question whether the club are really ready for it?  Have we replaced the 2 scouts that were despatched?  If not, who is identifying the talent and the targets?  If its left to Pulis alone he will bring in experienced British based players.  This does not represent value for money and I can not see Peace's budget stretching far.  We need a good mix of players from a variety of sources.  There are so many attributes that this squad just does not have at the moment.

Finally, is Gould Jr having the same impact on us as his father?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 10, 2015, 02:51:01 PM
You are appointed manager at the beginning of the year with your new team in dire straits & disarray, your remit is to keep the team in the PL bearing in mind your not allowed to get any points from your final 5 fixtures!
You have the following tools at your disposal
a) one GK on his day ok + one happy to be sub
b) a collection of in the main aged slow dithering defenders
c) a melody of methodical much of muchness mediocre midfielders
d) a sickbed of strikers
e) a remainder of not wanted, not good enough, untried mixture of bits & pieces
What do you do?
a) try to get as many points as possible by hook or by crook
b) play with hopeless abandon & hope to win a couple of games 4-3

hypothetical question of course?  ;D

ps my missus just said its going to take more than a couple of years to sort that lot out!! mind she is a Newport County supporter!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yamaka on March 10, 2015, 03:00:06 PM
As much as I am gutted by the past two performances,  as anyone who has the merest passing interest in sport knows, local derbies must be viewed separately. Whether you call it the twelfth man factor or homer ref or Sherwood's diabolical pact with the ugly personality of the year org we were dealing with a club fighting for survival and on that basis alone were put well and truly on the back foot.  Yes it hurts but they are and cannot ever be anything more than Villa. Let them enjoy their few days in the sun. It really will not last long  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 10, 2015, 04:07:12 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on March 10, 2015, 02:51:01 PM
You are appointed manager at the beginning of the year with your new team in dire straits & disarray, your remit is to keep the team in the PL bearing in mind your not allowed to get any points from your final 5 fixtures!
You have the following tools at your disposal
a) one GK on his day ok + one happy to be sub
b) a collection of in the main aged slow dithering defenders
c) a melody of methodical much of muchness mediocre midfielders
d) a sickbed of strikers
e) a remainder of not wanted, not good enough, untried mixture of bits & pieces
What do you do?
a) try to get as many points as possible by hook or by crook
b) play with hopeless abandon & hope to win a couple of games 4-3

hypothetical question of course?  ;D

ps my missus just said its going to take more than a couple of years to sort that lot out!! mind she is a Newport County supporter!!

Hahaha despite it being hypothetical I cant resist. Here's what I wouldn't do

a) one GK on his day ok + one happy to be sub
On his day Foster is a lot better than OK. He's ok when it's not his day (Villa apart)
b) a collection of in the main aged slow dithering defenders
Play all of these slow dithering defenders whilst leaving a perfectly good full back on the bench
c) a melody of methodical much of muchness mediocre midfielders
Again, I wouldnt take a squad consisting of a bunch of near identical midfielders, and then get rid of/freeze out the only 3 who offered anything remotely different to what I already have.
d) a sickbed of strikers
I wouldn't release a fairly limited but capable striker (but still a fit striker none the less) for peanuts whilst attempting to sell one of the others.
e) a remainder of not wanted, not good enough, untried mixture of bits & pieces
I'd use the 30 days I had to address these issues with immediate priority. I wouldnt prioritise signing an ageing midfielder who even if an upgrade on what we have doesn't really have any of the attributes we are lacking. A decent DM with Mulumbu unable to get a look in was hardly the 1st thing that needed addressing. I would of tried the 'untried' players such as Blanco and Varela before deciding they didn't fit. I certainly wouldn't have put all my eggs in a basket labelled Carlton Cole and I would never have put myself in position where I feel my strongest midfield is Gardner - Yacob - Morrison - Brunt

To look at it another way when Pulis took over we could have fielded this side by now

                            Foster

Dawson     McAuley   Lescott   Pocognoli
(Gamboa/Wisdom)

                 Mulumbu   Fletcher

Mcmanaman      Sessegnon     Varela

                        Berahino

Myhill, Baird, Yacob, Brunt, Morrison, Blanco, Ideye

Not in the squad - Olsson, Gardner, Wisdom, Gamboa, Anichebe (if injured), Samaras

That doesn't even factor in that we had a month to make additional signings if we felt they were needed.

If you've got a tough away game swap Morrison for Sess, Yacob for Mulumbu, Brunt for Varela etc (personally I wouldn't do all of them)

I'm not buying the 'he's got to work with what he's got' argument that suggests a back 4 made up solely of centre backs and no pace, width, creativity or variety in midfield is the only possible thing Pulis could have done in the circumstances.

You've got options off the bench, different styles of player on the pitch, players playing in their actual strongest position. That team has a good solid defensive base, 2 defensive midfielders who both offer somthing different with the ball, pace width + flair in the attacking positions and (in my opinion) the best finisher in the entire league playing where he should be - a position where he can finish chances. It's what makes me so angry when I see a midfield like the ones Pulis constantly subjects us to
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on March 10, 2015, 04:14:12 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on March 09, 2015, 02:59:04 PM
All I can recall from that game is us scoring early and then generally trying to hang on to 1-0. I haven't got any stats to hand, but I think we might have been in single figures for the number of attempts we had on goal again.

Again from memory, Pelle missed his kick from in front of goal inside the six yard box.
What did you expect ? , that is a really good flowing Saints side full of pace and power yet we restricted them to one clear chance (Pelle as you pointed out) . We managed to snuff them out while having more chances from Gmac , Dawson , Ideye and clearest of all Fletcher . As a team we worked hard and used the ball very well when we had it , it wasn't like we were clinging on despite a bit of time wasting from Foster . I dare say if we had tried to take them on with a passing side we would have been split open and done for pace , an excellent deserved win IMO.
While I'm not happy with the away performances and I'm sore from Villa I don't think you can dismiss the mess this club was in (and still is ) , we have a totally unbalanced squad that's gone backwards over two or three seasons now . Our goalkeepers who have been generally good seems to have developed the habit of letting soft goals in and making mistakes , we have a squad that lacks pace completely (even Saido and Brown aren't that quick) , our midfield is stale , Mulumbu has been missing form wise for 2 years , Yacob i love yet has no pace and gets exposed . McManaman has struggled with injuries since signing and now Sess has bad personal issues , I'm not agreeing with how Pulis sets up but i think we have to acknowledge he took on a right mess...at least at Palace he had Bolasie and a few others with decent pace to work with attacking wise .
Pulis has stated a few times he is trying to play to our best strengths , if he keeps us up he will be proven right .
I hope then we will see a change in performances with some fresh blood on the pitch but until then it's not going to be pretty at times.
I can't think of anybody else who could keep this squad up for the money we pay.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on March 10, 2015, 06:35:36 PM
Quote from: Dexy on March 10, 2015, 04:14:12 PM
What did you expect ?
I was replying to you saying "we should have scored more than one" and pointing out that Southampton should have scored at least one as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 10, 2015, 06:40:04 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 10, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
So it's a deep rooted problem then? That's strange, everybody seems to be blaming the man who has been in charge for 10 weeks.

A 50% win rate is good no matter how much people try to massage the stats. The majority of teams get more points at home than they do away. But all of a sudden only the away form counts because it's easier to criticize?
I don't think anyone has suggested he is the root cause of the problem but I personally would question whether he is the long term solution to the problem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 10, 2015, 06:52:49 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 10, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
So it's a deep rooted problem then? That's strange, everybody seems to be blaming the man who has been in charge for 10 weeks.

A 50% win rate is good no matter how much people try to massage the stats. The majority of teams get more points at home than they do away. But all of a sudden only the away form counts because it's easier to criticize?

If he is so great why were so many Stoke fans relieved when he finally got the push?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 10, 2015, 06:55:53 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on March 10, 2015, 06:52:49 PM
If he is so great why were so many Stoke fans relieved when he finally got the push?

Wouldnt't worry about it, speaking to the posters on The Oatcake they were more releived when they got rid of him as a poster
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on March 10, 2015, 08:00:22 PM
Quote from: Ska-dForLife-WBA on March 09, 2015, 11:31:31 PM
In the "played" column you seem to be listing all of our away matches rather than just the ones we've gone behind in, which really skews the following stats to look worse than they are.

By my reckoning, these are the figures since 2010 (i.e. the period in which we've established ourselves as a Premier League side):

Without Tony Pulis

Gone behind in 55 away matches
Won 3 from a losing position
Drawn 14 from a losing position

We've salvaged points from 30% of away games when we've been losing.  I'd suggest that's not far off what any club outside the top six would aim for.  Naturally you'll draw more than you'll win, because most away teams will settle for the point after going behind.

Under Pulis we've gone behind 4 times on the road and rescued a point twice.  However, the time to judge will be when he's built a team of his own.

I was just answering the question that someone asked about how many times Pulis teams had come back from going behind to get a result away from home.

Whilst I imagine this to be quite low - I thought I would show these stats on our PL record away from home - to highlight the point that we are not very good on the road full stop - with or without Tony Pulis!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 10, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
just thinking aloud here, does anyone think that if TP gets us safe over the next few games, he might actually let Gamboa, Pocognoli, Nabi .......... ,  showcase themselves or will he persist with the status quo in an attempt to accumulate points and therefore cash for rebuilding?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on March 10, 2015, 08:13:11 PM
why didn't he let them play in the cup ?????? and see here you go lads heres your chance .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 10, 2015, 08:14:20 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 10, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
just thinking aloud here, does anyone think that if TP gets us safe over the next few games, he might actually let Gamboa, Pocognoli, Nabi .......... ,  showcase themselves or will he persist with the status quo in an attempt to accumulate points and therefore cash for rebuilding?
I think he may try a mix of both?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2015, 08:14:40 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 10, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
just thinking aloud here, does anyone think that if TP gets us safe over the next few games, he might actually let Gamboa, Pocognoli, Nabi .......... ,  showcase themselves or will he persist with the status quo in an attempt to accumulate points and therefore cash for rebuilding?

That's a good question, personally, I think "The Coach is not for turning" as he is a single minded professional and has already made his mind up about most of the players you mention.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on March 10, 2015, 08:26:06 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 10, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
just thinking aloud here, does anyone think that if TP gets us safe over the next few games, he might actually let Gamboa, Pocognoli, Nabi .......... ,  showcase themselves or will he persist with the status quo in an attempt to accumulate points and therefore cash for rebuilding?

Would be nice to see the fringe players given a chance if and when we are safe.

Could even play Gamboa and Pocognoli right and left midfield - Morrison and Gardner have not exactly nailed those positions down since Pulls arrived.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on March 10, 2015, 08:31:04 PM
It would be rather nice if he were watching Schalke at Real Madrid this evening.

Now that is an away performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on March 10, 2015, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: Chipperfan on March 10, 2015, 08:31:04 PM
It would be rather nice if he were watching Schalke at Real Madrid this evening.

Now that is an away performance.

He'd be doing his nut - not exactly watertight are they - score two more without conceding and they are through!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 10, 2015, 08:37:13 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 10, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
just thinking aloud here, does anyone think that if TP gets us safe over the next few games, he might actually let Gamboa, Pocognoli, Nabi .......... ,  showcase themselves or will he persist with the status quo in an attempt to accumulate points and therefore cash for rebuilding?

In short - No
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on March 10, 2015, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on March 10, 2015, 08:00:22 PM
I was just answering the question that someone asked about how many times Pulis teams had come back from going behind to get a result away from home.

Whilst I imagine this to be quite low - I thought I would show these stats on our PL record away from home - to highlight the point that we are not very good on the road full stop - with or without Tony Pulis!

I'm aware of that, it's just that the stats you posted were flawed; we're not that bad an away side in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on March 10, 2015, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on March 10, 2015, 08:35:03 PM
He'd be doing his nut - not exactly watertight are they - score two more without conceding and they are through!

Yeah, but I don't think Pulis would begrudge Ronaldo would he? Schalke could have had five by now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saml30 on March 10, 2015, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on March 10, 2015, 08:37:13 PM
In short - No

gamboa is already resigned to leaving in the summer as he pointed out in one of the Sunday papers, something along the lines of `he only likes 6"6 defenders and doesn't like them pushing up the field and attacking"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on March 10, 2015, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on March 10, 2015, 06:35:36 PM
I was replying to you saying "we should have scored more than one" and pointing out that Southampton should have scored at least one as well.
Your "trying to hang on to a 1-0 " doesn't back that up or give a true reflection on that game from where I'm standing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 10, 2015, 09:59:27 PM
Quote from: saml30 on March 10, 2015, 08:50:33 PM
gamboa is already resigned to leaving in the summer as he pointed out in one of the Sunday papers, something along the lines of `he only likes 6"6 defenders and doesn't like them pushing up the field and attacking"

Really? Must have missed this, what paper?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 11, 2015, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on March 10, 2015, 09:59:27 PM
Really? Must have missed this, what paper?
Probably the sun but then again they reckoned Albrighton was on the pitch for the villa and that Yacob stamped on Bacuna and Berahino fired over from 5 yards in the cup tie.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2015, 12:37:33 PM
Just lifted this from the oatcake, ref Brunt charge of abusing official, speaks volumes really!


May not be as good as it first appears, means TPs hand my be forced in playing actual wingers - Sessègnon/McManaman?

I just hope he plays Lescott at full-back :D

First name on the teamsheet ;)

Guaranteed 4 CBs against us.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2015, 12:50:21 PM
From the oatcake, make your own minds up, I did wonder why he is on here so much !!

StokeLad.
What an uber douche.
Echoing what Dave has said above and from the WB forum you can quite clearly see he is praying for WB win on the weekend.

You ought to see his Twitter account. He appears to hate Hughes, Shawcross, N'Zonzi and Stoke City in general. He also seems to be very bitter towards the Oatcake, probably due to his innumerable humiliations on here.

He definitely fits the no mates, never really fit in, spent all of his time in his room on the internet, gunned down his teacher and classmates profile.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 11, 2015, 01:13:46 PM
Not that he's bitter or anything :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on March 11, 2015, 04:11:17 PM
To be fair both Irvine and Pulis haven't fancied playing Gamboa. I know some of our fans want to see him because he's an attacking full back but I'm not sure he's good enough defensively for this league. I haven't see him play a lot so can't comment too much about him but that's the idea I got from the Liverpool and cup games. I do think Dawson has done pretty well at right back although Lescott is our best centre half and I find him playing left back a bit ridiculous. Pocognoli was in an Irvine team which kept clean sheets and looked solid at the back so I don't think he'd look out of place in a Pulis team, I find it really strange how he's not featured much.

Anyway for me Pulis should keep us up this season and that will be job done. The big questions are what players will he bring in the Summer and how are we going to set up in the future in terms of style of play. We've failed to strength the squad in the last two seasons and that must be put right in the next transfer window in which I expect experienced Premier League players to come in with maybe one or two from the Championship that could step up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saml30 on March 11, 2015, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on March 10, 2015, 09:59:27 PM
Really? Must have missed this, what paper?

Think it was the People
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on March 12, 2015, 09:01:49 AM
Pulis nominated for a Manager of the Month award.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on March 12, 2015, 11:06:22 AM
Quote from: Legend on March 12, 2015, 09:01:49 AM
Pulis nominated for a Manager of the Month award.

Must be for his inspired team selections against Villa....
Or maybe his scintillating attacking tactics...what a joke.
Sherwood certainly showed him who's boss.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on March 12, 2015, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: labaggies on March 12, 2015, 11:06:22 AM
Must be for his inspired team selections against Villa....
Or maybe his scintillating attacking tactics...what a joke.
Sherwood certainly showed him who's boss.

That was in March...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 12, 2015, 11:10:32 AM
Quote from: labaggies on March 12, 2015, 11:06:22 AM
Must be for his inspired team selections against Villa....
Or maybe his scintillating attacking tactics...what a joke.
Sherwood certainly showed him who's boss.

More likely for his record during February which saw us win 2 and draw 2 in the Premier league gaining 8 points from a possible 12 and conceding only 2 goals in those 4 games.

Love him or hate him or be inbetween his job is to keep us up and a record of 2 defeats in 8 Premier League games is better than we had in the previous 8 games which saw only 1 victory.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on March 12, 2015, 11:37:36 AM
Quote from: labaggies on March 12, 2015, 11:06:22 AM
Must be for his inspired team selections against Villa....
Or maybe his scintillating attacking tactics...what a joke.
Sherwood certainly showed him who's boss.

As hard as it is to take, we have to just put the Vile results behind us. We can [and have] debate lots of things about team tactics and selections etc but at the end of the day these were derby's and as we all know anything can happen. How many times have we played our rivals and we are either in much better form, or not in form at all and the result has gone against form? I like the occasional bet and I learnt a long time ago never to bet on a derby game regardless, as anything can happen. Its almost as though the players find an extra 20% purely because of who they are playing.........well some of them do at least.

It could have been so different if Ideye had put that sitter away.

Personally I think Surewood got lucky. You could see by his face that he could not believe how it went for him........I still think he is a plank and am pleased he is not with us.

I assume TP is nominated for his February results. The acid test now will be to see how the team perform over the next few weeks, and hopefully the Vile will give us a chuckle or two on the way............
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FLETCH on March 13, 2015, 07:56:14 AM
February manager of the month.... well done tony
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on March 13, 2015, 08:51:44 AM
Well done Tony
Hopefully the 2 Villa games were the curse that goes with this award !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on March 13, 2015, 09:23:15 AM
Well done Tony, great achievement!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on March 13, 2015, 09:24:19 AM
Excellent, top stuff!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on March 13, 2015, 11:37:59 AM
Poor manager though isn't he   ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 13, 2015, 12:58:17 PM
Quote from: boing_boing68 on March 13, 2015, 11:37:59 AM
Poor manager though isn't he   ;D

I don't think anybody on here has ever said they think he's a poor manager have they?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on March 13, 2015, 01:10:17 PM
Congratulations Tony Pulis, a well deserved award that I'm sure he acknowledge is down to the hard work of his staff and the players
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on March 14, 2015, 05:07:29 PM
Jonas olsson Striker… Genius
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 14, 2015, 05:14:36 PM
Quote from: liam-zuiverloon on March 14, 2015, 05:07:29 PM
Jonas olsson Striker… Genius

Is Nabi injured?  We had a keeper and 6 defensive players on the bench today!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 14, 2015, 05:18:47 PM
put enough square pegs in round holes, you get a wall !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 14, 2015, 05:39:37 PM
Quote from: liam-zuiverloon on March 14, 2015, 05:07:29 PM
Jonas olsson Striker… Genius

It worked. Maybe that's why he gets paid a lot of money to manage clubs?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on March 14, 2015, 06:01:38 PM
The man is well on course to achieve his one objective for this season of keeping us in the Premier League. He's doing a great job so far.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on March 14, 2015, 06:56:44 PM
It isn't all hoofball either. I thought we played some decent stuff today and thoroughly deserved the three points. More of the same Tony!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on March 14, 2015, 07:08:25 PM
Quote from: CL3MO on March 14, 2015, 06:56:44 PM
It isn't all hoofball either. I thought we played some decent stuff today and thoroughly deserved the three points. More of the same Tony!

Agreed. Stoke always got a bad press for playing goofball. Away from home they did but at home played some good stuff. Seems to be the common theme here too. I‘ve always been a Pulls fan. Not always that great to watch but gets results. Massive credit to him for turning our season around.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 14, 2015, 07:36:13 PM
how are the naysayers tonight, still rubbish is it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 14, 2015, 07:38:18 PM
feeling much better, thanks for asking  :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 14, 2015, 07:39:42 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on March 14, 2015, 07:36:13 PM
how are the naysayers tonight, still rubbish is it?

It's very odd how different the style is home and away.

I totally get the need to try to defend. But our away play isn't great, far from it.

We played well today,. i've always said TP has kept us up and for that it's well done and job done. But the style half the time is nothing short of Horrific. It's ugly and boring to watch away and how we screwed up the Villa cup game is just massively frustrating.

TP has done a good job. Even very good. But it's not fun to watch, especially away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2015, 07:41:48 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on March 14, 2015, 07:36:13 PM
how are the naysayers tonight, still rubbish is it?

We're going to have this every week aren't we?

I don't have a problem with Pulis and the way we have played so far at The Hawthorns (although it was backs to the wall in the second half). The main problem that many have with him is his set up away from home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2015, 07:43:01 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 14, 2015, 05:39:37 PM
It worked. Maybe that's why he gets paid a lot of money to manage clubs?

What worked? The bloke didn't touch the ball and looked like a fish out of water.

I thought we were going to a back five and he was going to slot in alongside McAuley and Lescott.

Hopefully we never, ever see Olsson upfront again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 14, 2015, 07:46:53 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2015, 07:41:48 PM
We're going to have this every week aren't we?

I don't have a problem with Pulis and the way we have played so far at The Hawthorns (although it was backs to the wall in the second half). The main problem that many have with him is his set up away from home.

I'm only playing, spice it up whilst having to watch the voice.. For me the home form has improved vastly and if the villa games were the other way round we would have won. Away performances are going to be ugly this season, I expect better next season.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say we'll be safe by Christmas next year....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 14, 2015, 07:47:46 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2015, 07:43:01 PM
What worked? The bloke didn't touch the ball and looked like a fish out of water.

I thought we were going to a back five and he was going to slot in alongside McAuley and Lescott.

Hopefully we never, ever see Olsson upfront again.


It worked in the sense that Pulis walked away with 3 points in his back pocket.

The ball went up to Olsson 3 times and he won it 3 times. He won more than Peter Crouch who has played that role his entire life  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on March 14, 2015, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: labaggies on March 12, 2015, 11:06:22 AM
Must be for his inspired team selections against Villa....
Or maybe his scintillating attacking tactics...what a joke.
Sherwood certainly showed him who's boss.
Makes you wonder what some people expect. The single main factor in choosing TP as head coach is the ability to keep us in this division, which is looking more likely as weeks pass.
Some people have been anti TP since his appointment and ok Sherwoods started well at Villa, but give things time hopefully he'll fall on his face.
Give me a season in the premier league playing TP's way and getting results rather than a season under Corberan of total football(Tony Mowbray) banging on about how many passes we made but we lost again
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 14, 2015, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: weareblueweare white on March 14, 2015, 07:49:41 PM
Makes you wonder what some people expect. The single main factor in choosing TP as head coach is the ability to keep us in this division, which is looking more likely as weeks pass.
Some people have been anti TP since his appointment and ok Sherwoods started well at Villa, but give things time hopefully he'll fall on his face.
Give me a season in the premier league playing TP's way and getting results rather than a season under Corberan of total football(Tony Mowbray) banging on about how many passes we made but we lost again

It's sad but true. Just skip to the first few pages of this thread and check out who were the most negative posters. They just happened to be the most vocal on here after the Villa games!

At the end of the day he's been in charge for 2 and a half months and has a 50% win rate. Compared to Irvine's 22% win rate that is a big improvement. It's not perfect, but then again if he was he perfect he wouldn't be at West Brom.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 14, 2015, 08:04:16 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2015, 07:43:01 PM
What worked? The bloke didn't touch the ball and looked like a fish out of water.

I thought we were going to a back five and he was going to slot in alongside McAuley and Lescott.

Hopefully we never, ever see Olsson upfront again.
We do not have many options though Liam?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 14, 2015, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 14, 2015, 07:47:46 PM

It worked in the sense that Pulis walked away with 3 points in his back pocket.

The ball went up to Olsson 3 times and he won it 3 times. He won more than Peter Crouch who has played that role his entire life  :)
Are you still here?  I guess having watched how poor Stoke were today I now understand why you would rather spend time here.

Played well today. Stoke offered very little (and still seem to manage to retain a little of the Pulis cynicism  ;)) but the players we have left available to us did us proud. Interesting move having to bring Olsson on up front.  Genius or a bloke who has no other option?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on March 14, 2015, 08:12:50 PM
He's doing a very good job and our home record under him has improved dramatically which was one of the key things he stressed needed to improve when appointed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2015, 08:14:24 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on March 14, 2015, 08:04:16 PM
We do not have many options though Liam?

I know what I would have done instead of having Olsson upfront!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 14, 2015, 08:16:01 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2015, 08:14:24 PM
I know what I would have done instead of having Olsson upfront!
Interesting please divulge?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 14, 2015, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 14, 2015, 07:59:46 PM
It's sad but true. Just skip to the first few pages of this thread and check out who were the most negative posters. They just happened to be the most vocal on here after the Villa games!

At the end of the day he's been in charge for 2 and a half months and has a 50% win rate. Compared to Irvine's 22% win rate that is a big improvement. It's not perfect, but then again if he was he perfect he wouldn't be at West Brom.
In the league Pulis has taken 16 points. We have also played every team Pulis has played under Irvine and he took 12 points from them. It is not possible to truly compare Irvine and Pulis record yet at this stage of the season (and why bother?)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on March 14, 2015, 08:28:29 PM
Pulis has done a wonderful job so far,. We can only judge him based on having  virtually the same players as Irvine and well......the facts are there for all to see. He's a steady hand in a tumultuous league so that works for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 14, 2015, 08:29:43 PM
Quote from: darbolina on March 14, 2015, 08:28:29 PM
Pulis has done a wonderful job so far,. We can only judge him based on having  virtually the same players as Irvine and well......the facts are there for all to see. He's a steady hand in a tumultuous league so that works for me.

spot on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionwarrior on March 14, 2015, 08:35:04 PM
Quote from: Albionwarrior on March 01, 2015, 08:47:41 AM
Here is an interesting comparison between Roy's record compared to Tony's after 7 games

Roy .... 3 wins, 3 Draws & 1 Loss ... F13, A11 ... Points gained 12
Tony ... 3 wins, 3 Draws & 1 Loss ... F6, A5 ...... Points gained 12

In Roy's remaining 5 games of the 2010/11 season his results were:-

   2 wins, 2 Draws & 1 Loss .... F9, A9 .... Points gained 8, Giving total 20 over 12 games

If Tony gets 8 points from the next 5 games think it deserves to be measured against Roy's record doesn't it .... Oh and I think we all loved Roy didn't we?

Plus he had no FA Cup to bother about did he?

So with Stoke, QPR & Leicester at Home & Villa & Man City Away .... he might even beat Roy Hodgson's record (Apart from maybe Goals scored .... +22, but I bet he won't concede -20 .... Oh and I would have a small bet that he would have a better goal difference than +2 over the 12 games)

In my book, if it comes off would put him above Roy's record .... wouldn't it?

Just my opinion ........ Must get myself a Cap, tracksuit and new white trainers now !

15 Points after 9 league games in charge  ........ 5 points to go to match Roy's record over 12 Games !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on March 14, 2015, 08:47:15 PM
Again we played some decent stuff at home beating our greatest bogey side whilst keeping things tight , please tweak the away formula TP! Other than that he's doing a great job with the mess he arrived to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 14, 2015, 09:05:16 PM
Quote from: Dexy on March 14, 2015, 08:47:15 PM
Again we played some decent stuff at home beating our greatest bogey side whilst keeping things tight , please tweak the away formula TP! Other than that he's doing a great job with the mess he arrived to.
He has the bare bones of a squad mate so I agree.
9 games or so left must get in better cover next season, not just numbers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2015, 09:26:45 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on March 14, 2015, 08:16:01 PM
Interesting please divulge?

Pocognoli to left back, Brunt to left midfield and Sessegnon and Berahino as the front men. Then Baird for Berahino would have left Sessegnon as the lone front man.

Alternatively we could have just brought on Mulumbu as Pulis has done before and shored up the middle of the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on March 14, 2015, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2015, 09:26:45 PM
Pocognoli to left back, Brunt to left midfield and Sessegnon and Berahino as the front men. Then Baird for Berahino would have left Sessegnon as the lone front man.

Alternatively we could have just brought on Mulumbu as Pulis has done before and shored up the middle of the pitch.

So you would have changed around the whole left side of the team at a vital time in the match
Brilliant idea
No wonder you tried to keep that idea to yourself
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 14, 2015, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: tylerm on March 14, 2015, 09:59:12 PM
So you would have changed around the whole left side of the team at a vital time in the match
Brilliant idea
No wonder you tried to keep that idea to yourself

my words exactly, you don't change a whole side of team when its that close...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 14, 2015, 10:29:17 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on March 14, 2015, 10:21:11 PM
my words exactly, you don't change a whole side of team when its that close...

You do on FIFA15  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mike on March 14, 2015, 10:31:41 PM
Bringing Olsson on for the last 5 or so minutes up front made complete sense.  Pulis didn't want to disrupt the back four or invite too much pressure but wanted a bit of extra height as Stoke are a big threat from set prices.  An extra bonus was that Ollson was able to make it stick a few times. Job done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2015, 10:50:15 PM
Quote from: tylerm on March 14, 2015, 09:59:12 PM
So you would have changed around the whole left side of the team at a vital time in the match
Brilliant idea
No wonder you tried to keep that idea to yourself

No - I would have put players into their natural positions.

You know, round pegs in round holes..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on March 14, 2015, 11:00:15 PM
Quote from: weareblueweare white on March 14, 2015, 07:49:41 PM
Makes you wonder what some people expect. The single main factor in choosing TP as head coach is the ability to keep us in this division, which is looking more likely as weeks pass.
Some people have been anti TP since his appointment and ok Sherwoods started well at Villa, but give things time hopefully he'll fall on his face.
Give me a season in the premier league playing TP's way and getting results rather than a season under Corberan of total football(Tony Mowbray) banging on about how many passes we made but we lost again

Never really understood this anti-Sherwood thing too. He might be outspoken and full of himself but his win ratio as a manager is very good and that is all that matters with me. Time will tell if he can maintain this with Villa.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 14, 2015, 11:00:28 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2015, 10:50:15 PM
No - I would have put players into their natural positions.

You know, round pegs in round holes..

A bit difficult seeing as we didn't have another striker in the matchday squad.

I cannot see the logic of having Myhill, Mulumbu plus 5 defenders on the bench, but no Nabi
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on March 14, 2015, 11:04:35 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on March 14, 2015, 11:00:15 PM
Never really understood this anti-Sherwood thing too. He might be outspoken and full of himself but his win ratio as a manager is very good and that is all that matters with me. Time will tell if he can maintain this with Villa.
Not so much anti Sherwood as a severe case of hating Villa ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2015, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on March 14, 2015, 11:00:28 PM
A bit difficult seeing as we didn't have another striker in the matchday squad.

I cannot see the logic of having Myhill, Mulumbu plus 5 defenders on the bench, but no Nabi

I know, hence why I would have re-jigged the side a bit to create a more natural balance.

Olsson was further up the field then Berahino  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 14, 2015, 11:26:33 PM
i can't understand it either, if we had an injury or disciplinary issue we would have been in a position where we had no options (other than relying on super striker Jonas), but it didn't pan out that way so well done TP
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on March 14, 2015, 11:56:08 PM
TP's record so far is brilliant. Just what we needed. Without him, we'd be in the bottom 3. Great to have a proper manager. He's got a winning attitude. We should all get behind him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 15, 2015, 12:25:43 AM
Quote from: Dexy on March 14, 2015, 08:47:15 PM
Again we played some decent stuff at home beating our greatest bogey side whilst keeping things tight , please tweak the away formula TP! Other than that he's doing a great job with the mess he arrived to.
Spot on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on March 15, 2015, 06:44:49 AM
Quote from: Dexy on March 14, 2015, 08:47:15 PM
Again we played some decent stuff at home beating our greatest bogey side whilst keeping things tight , please tweak the away formula TP! Other than that he's doing a great job with the mess he arrived to.

I think he's shown that the Pulis ball tag is a bit unfair.
We played football yesterday, good football most of the time, pressed high and always looked a threat.
Never felt that we were under any real pressure yesterday exept when we sat off them at the start of the second half and when they had 4/5 corners on the trot.
Yesterday should be the bench mark for the rest of the season and beyond. Just get us playing a bit more football while retaining our attacking threat and I would say its a job well done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on March 15, 2015, 07:26:47 AM
For me TP has done a superb job, and the performances at The Hawthorns (Tottenham excepted) have been outstanding and very enjoyable to watch, and we've been picking up some vital points away from home.

This bloke clearly knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on March 15, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Another good win and a good performance to match too.

This is what frustrates me, Pulis clearly knows what he is doing, he has got us organised, we play decent football and its entertaining - At home.

I dont see why we have to be so different away, we can play similar and think we will really get better results, i think when you look what an average side like the Villa did at Sunderland it makes it more frustrating that we went for a draw.

Hopefully Pulis is willing to change the away approach a bit because i think if he does then things look rosy, if he dont then i think next season fans will get tense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Andio on March 15, 2015, 02:48:03 PM
TP is doing an excellent job, I can't believe there were 'some' people that didn't want him.

RE: The away tactics, maybe when we are safe we will start to have a bit more of a go in away matches. For now TP is content to get a point on the board in away games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 15, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
6th in current league table,
11 /18 points
over 38 games is = @70 points !!

I might yet be convinced  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 15, 2015, 05:47:07 PM
Barring the away set up he is perfect but i think the closer we get towards 40 he "might" loosen up a bit I hope but anyway great job and thanks for finally beating Stoke
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on March 15, 2015, 06:55:28 PM
He plays a midfielder as one full back, a centre half as the other one, central midfielders as wingers, and even a centre half as centre forward lol, but somehow, almost defying logic, it works. His remit this season was to keep us up and he is doing an excellent job. End of. Next season we can judge style, but to do so this season is just pathetic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 15, 2015, 09:18:06 PM
I'm impressed with the job Pulis has done. He's obviously good at one to one man management and in getting across what he expects of players.
The only thing I'm puzzled by is, when we have a bench with zero attacking options as we had yesterday why not have Nabi there ? Nabi's knocked in goals consistently for all age groups in the academy. If we go a goal down and then one of the main strikers got injured surely it's worth having him there ? Under 21 is the only level Nabi can produce the goods in unless he's given a chance.
Hodgson gave George Thorne a couple of outings in the prem aged 17 I think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 15, 2015, 09:22:36 PM
Is Nabi 21? If so old enough ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on March 15, 2015, 09:28:39 PM
I can only assume he's not rated very highly, must be demoralising for him to see defenders player up front instead of him even making the bench.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 15, 2015, 10:31:09 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on March 15, 2015, 09:22:36 PM
Is Nabi 21? If so old enough ???

yes 21 same age as Saido.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 15, 2015, 10:43:19 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 15, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
6th in current league table,
11 /18 points
over 38 games is = @70 points !!

I might yet be convinced  ::)
ah, but you forget that half those games would be away, so 35-40pts is about right (and where he tends to end up)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 15, 2015, 10:50:15 PM
current form league is based upon both home and away though

D W D W L W    11pts, I am no pulis advocate, but that is amazing form, Home & Away!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 15, 2015, 10:56:03 PM
Everyone bangs on about the 2 cup matches... But MOTD put up a graphic last night. Since taking charge we've played 5 home Premier League games we've won four conceding just 3 goals with 4 clean sheets. You cannot argue with that record. If you add in the cup it's even more impressive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 15, 2015, 11:36:45 PM
TP is currently 2nd longest odds (80/1) to "leave his post" after Mourinhio !
Just about says it all really !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 16, 2015, 12:14:58 AM
The thing which gives me optimism with TP is that I personally think he's improved as a manger since his Stoke days.
A few people on here keep saying "but he's never finished above 12th" which is a fact. However, he finished 11th with Palace who were 20th when he took over, meaning if he'd have been there a full season they'd have been top 10.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 16, 2015, 07:52:59 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on March 16, 2015, 12:14:58 AM
The thing which gives me optimism with TP is that I personally think he's improved as a manger since his Stoke days.
A few people on here keep saying "but he's never finished above 12th" which is a fact. However, he finished 11th with Palace who were 20th when he took over, meaning if he'd have been there a full season they'd have been top 10.
Or equally,  if he had been there from the start of the season Puncheon may never have been at the club and he would not have started with the basics of a Holloway exciting,  attacking side.
The current form is good but not too unsurprising based on the teams we have been playing.  It has been pointed out on many an occasion how difficult our run in is which suggests that at other points in the season we will have easier spells.
What is positive for me, despite having created the situation somewhat ourselves,  we have got the results with minimal resources. We have an extremely over stretched playing squad (taking into account the players that seem to have been disregarded) and are a few injuries away from a crisis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 16, 2015, 08:38:35 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 15, 2015, 10:56:03 PM
Everyone bangs on about the 2 cup matches... But MOTD put up a graphic last night. Since taking charge we've played 5 home Premier League games we've won four conceding just 3 goals with 4 clean sheets. You cannot argue with that record. If you add in the cup it's even more impressive.

It seems to get forgotten that the Villa games we were away from home and also playing with two barely fit strikers. Wins were never likely or easy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on March 16, 2015, 08:50:29 AM
I thought we played well on Saturday against a nasty Stoke side. TP set up the team well and the Olsson up front thing worked out. With a few minutes left and in a winning position, what else was he supposed to do? Didn't see any so called 'pulis ball' and we more than matched them in midfield and defence. I personally think that we need to give credit to Myhill for tipping one over the bar too - Foster may not have got that carrying an injury.

I thought Mozza was excellent on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 16, 2015, 09:01:04 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on March 16, 2015, 08:50:29 AM
I thought we played well on Saturday against a nasty Stoke side. TP set up the team well and the Olsson up front thing worked out. With a few minutes left and in a winning position, what else was he supposed to do? Didn't see any so called 'pulis ball' and we more than matched them in midfield and defence. I personally think that we need to give credit to Myhill for tipping one over the bar too - Foster may not have got that carrying an injury.

I thought Mozza was excellent on Saturday.

Myhill was excellent, used his feet superbly to get the tip over and the headed clearance (wrongly given as a foul) was brave and brilliantly executed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dangerman on March 16, 2015, 09:17:19 AM
Pulis talks a lot of sense and comes across as a decent bloke too.

My only criticism of him is the way he goes about setting the team up for away games.

I am still angry about the Villa games, but the home games I have no issue with at all.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 16, 2015, 01:17:26 PM
Another really good result at home and a decent performance as well after the way we went about getting the win against Southampton.

His record at home is superb, but honestly it just frustrates me even more every time I see how he sets us up for away games.

Many people have said he needs to get us safe and then lets see what style he employs. As we are now effectively safe (not that Pulis will admit so publicly, and rightly so) I'd hope he changes style dramatically in away games and starts to introduce Nabi as we have literally nobody else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 16, 2015, 01:22:10 PM
If only we had been as lucky as Villa getting home cup draws
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 16, 2015, 01:30:36 PM
Today I am mostly thinking the sun shines very brightly out of our Tones rear end, despite the impending eclipse!
May have a different view come Saturday evening but for now I am going to bask in the afterglow of beating the Delilah's!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: palmaroy on March 16, 2015, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on March 16, 2015, 01:22:10 PM
If only we had been as lucky as Villa getting home cup draws
we can blame Hodgson for that.
I can recall how desperate Pullis was for a Home Draw after we beat West Ham.Perhaps he knows what he's good at
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on March 16, 2015, 02:37:06 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 16, 2015, 07:52:59 AM
Or equally,  if he had been there from the start of the season Puncheon may never have been at the club and he would not have started with the basics of a Holloway exciting,  attacking side.
The current form is good but not too unsurprising based on the teams we have been playing.  It has been pointed out on many an occasion how difficult our run in is which suggests that at other points in the season we will have easier spells.
What is positive for me, despite having created the situation somewhat ourselves,  we have got the results with minimal resources. We have an extremely over stretched playing squad (taking into account the players that seem to have been disregarded) and are a few injuries away from a crisis.

Or he signed Puncheon on a permanent basis in January, also brought in Tom Ince on the wing and got the best out of Bolasie and Chamak...I guess its how you look at things :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 18, 2015, 03:16:09 PM
TP said he gave the lads 2 days away from him after villa cause he was mad gotto love his passion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 18, 2015, 04:45:41 PM
Quote from: palmaroy on March 16, 2015, 01:41:33 PM
we can blame Hodgson for that.
I can recall how desperate Pullis was for a Home Draw after we beat West Ham.Perhaps he knows what he's good at



for a one off away cup game would it really hurt to apply the same tactics as if at home
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 18, 2015, 08:40:02 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on March 18, 2015, 04:45:41 PM


for a one off away cup game would it really hurt to apply the same tactics as if at home
probably thats why he felt like a madarse after the game and took himself away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on March 19, 2015, 09:36:36 AM
The more I listen to him talk, the more he oozes class and you can tell hes a real football man, proper old fashioned in terms of methods and how to get results.

Regardless of what people conceive as 'Pulis ball' you cannot argue that the bloke gets results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 19, 2015, 12:05:03 PM
Think there's a coaching staff thread somewhere but couldn't find it.
Anyway.....

Who is the dark haired bloke who's appeared recently - seems pretty active on match days along with TP and Kemp ?

Also, Is Gerry Francis about - haven't heard much about him though it may be a part time advisory role.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2015, 12:14:05 PM
Quote from: Adder on March 19, 2015, 12:05:03 PM
Think there's a coaching staff thread somewhere but couldn't find it.
Anyway.....

Who is the dark haired bloke who's appeared recently - seems pretty active on match days along with TP and Kemp ?

Also, Is Gerry Francis about - haven't heard much about him though it may be a part time advisory role.

I think its Mark O'conner
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2015, 12:15:52 PM
Found this on Albion's web site:

JOINT-ASSISTANT HEAD COACH: MARK O'CONNOR

Mark O'Connor was reunited with Tony Pulis having first played alongside the Albion head coach during their spell at AFC Bournemouth during the late 1980s.

The pair duly went on to forge a strong coaching partnership and worked together at Portsmouth, Plymouth and Stoke.

Prior to joining the Baggies, O'Connor worked at Bristol City having been appointed as Under-21 coach at Ashton Gate in summer 2013.

As a player, O'Connor began his career with QPR. The midfielder also played for Exeter and Bristol Rovers, earning one cap for the Republic of Ireland U21 side against England in 1985.

He spent some 18 months at Rovers, scoring 13 goals in 99 appearances before leaving for Bournemouth in March 1986.

O'Connor enjoyed five seasons at Dean Court, making 148 appearances and helped the Cherries win the Third Division title in 1986/87.

He went on to play for Gillingham before making a return to Bournemouth, subsequently ending his career back at Priestfield helping the Gills gain promotion in 1995/96.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on March 19, 2015, 09:04:10 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on March 19, 2015, 09:36:36 AM
The more I listen to him talk, the more he oozes class and you can tell hes a real football man, proper old fashioned in terms of methods and how to get results.

Regardless of what people conceive as 'Pulis ball' you cannot argue that the bloke gets results.

Not against Villa.

Sorry but I am still p***d off by the nonsense we witnessed. Tbf to Pulis though it is not his fault Foster decided to go mental for whatever reason in the first game, but Lescott at lb is nearly equally as mental as Foster.

I found it ridiculous when Pulis came out after the Stoke game and claimed "that was for the fans". Not buying that rubbish, if it was for the fans we would have seen something a tiny bit more inspiring in the Villa games. But we didn't. The Stoke game was for the players to keep their nice salaries in the prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 19, 2015, 11:10:19 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on March 19, 2015, 12:15:52 PM
Found this on Albion's web site:

JOINT-ASSISTANT HEAD COACH: MARK O'CONNOR

Mark O'Connor was reunited with Tony Pulis having first played alongside the Albion head coach during their spell at AFC Bournemouth during the late 1980s.

The pair duly went on to forge a strong coaching partnership and worked together at Portsmouth, Plymouth and Stoke.

Prior to joining the Baggies, O'Connor worked at Bristol City having been appointed as Under-21 coach at Ashton Gate in summer 2013.

As a player, O'Connor began his career with QPR. The midfielder also played for Exeter and Bristol Rovers, earning one cap for the Republic of Ireland U21 side against England in 1985.

He spent some 18 months at Rovers, scoring 13 goals in 99 appearances before leaving for Bournemouth in March 1986.

O'Connor enjoyed five seasons at Dean Court, making 148 appearances and helped the Cherries win the Third Division title in 1986/87.

He went on to play for Gillingham before making a return to Bournemouth, subsequently ending his career back at Priestfield helping the Gills gain promotion in 1995/96.
Thanks AlbionFan. He seems to have to made a low profile entrance after the Paul Jewell swift exit. Still not sure on whether Gerry Francis is on board - haven't seen any sightings of him on match days since the day they were all lined up next to Pulis just before he took over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2015, 08:50:07 AM
Quote from: Adder on March 19, 2015, 11:10:19 PM
Thanks AlbionFan. He seems to have to made a low profile entrance after the Paul Jewell swift exit. Still not sure on whether Gerry Francis is on board - haven't seen any sightings of him on match days since the day they were all lined up next to Pulis just before he took over.

Yes Jerry Francis is there as  well but is part-time

FIRST-TEAM COACH: GERRY FRANCIS

Gerry Francis linked up with Tony Pulis in January 2015, extending their partnership into a seventh year and a third Premier League club.

This is Francis' 14th year in the top flight, seven as a manager, during which he never finished below tenth place.

Francis holds the proud record of being the only Premier League manager to establish two separate London clubs - QPR (fifth) and Tottenham (seventh) - as the capital's top side.

His first managerial post came with Exeter in 1983, where he was player/manager. Francis then joined Bristol Rovers as a player and turned out in 33 league games before becoming manager in July 1987.

After four successful years at the Memorial Ground he was appointed as manager of QPR, a club he served with distinction during his playing career during the 1970s.

Rangers finished fifth in the inaugural Premier League season before Francis took over from Ossie Ardiles at Tottenham in 1994, spending three years at White Hart Lane.

After leaving north London, Francis returned to QPR once again as he became manager for a second time. Rangers found themselves at the bottom of the First Division but his return spurred on the R’s and relegation was avoided on the last day of the season.

Francis left QPR in 2001, taking over briefly at Bristol Rovers. More recently he worked with England's U19s before linking up with Pulis, first at Stoke and then at Crystal Palace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 20, 2015, 08:55:16 AM
Thanks - he seems to be keeping a very low profile ....but there's nothing wrong with that I guess
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on March 22, 2015, 08:54:50 PM
away team selections are getting more bizarre,now not only does he think that lescott is our best leftback option even though he looks woeful every time he has played there,he now thinks that baird is a better defensive midfielder than mulumbu,for the third game running team selection away as cost us,why bring Olsson back in for 90mins when he has hardly played against the strongest forward line in the league and subsequently move our best centre half out of position,he may be excellent at man management but his team selections away from home are terrible
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on March 22, 2015, 09:00:28 PM
I agree.
We're like chalk and cheese on home and away performances (read team selections)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 22, 2015, 09:17:42 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on March 22, 2015, 08:54:50 PM
away team selections are getting more bizarre,now not only does he think that lescott is our best leftback option even though he looks woeful every time he has played there,he now thinks that baird is a better defensive midfielder than mulumbu,for the third game running team selection away as cost us,why bring Olsson back in for 90mins when he has hardly played against the strongest forward line in the league and subsequently move our best centre half out of position,he may be excellent at man management but his team selections away from home are terrible
Whilst it is partly of his own making, I do think his hands are somewhat tied by the players he has available to him.  Anyone of significant attacking intent is either injured or released.  Having said that the ones he has left available to him seem to be used in a bizarre fashion!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on March 23, 2015, 08:52:45 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 22, 2015, 09:17:42 PM
Whilst it is partly of his own making, I do think his hands are somewhat tied by the players he has available to him.  Anyone of significant attacking intent is either injured or released.  Having said that the ones he has left available to him seem to be used in a bizarre fashion!
No excuse at all for Lescott at Left Back and Olssen at Centre Half. Pocognoli is better than Lescott at LB and Lescott is our best CH.
Who will be Right Back now that Dawson is looking at a ban, Anichebe? He's the biggest right footer we have.
Pulis has worked wonders so far, but this smacks of him being stubborn and pig headed and this could be the difference between comfortable safety or eternal struggle. Don't understand it at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on March 23, 2015, 09:03:11 AM
I would imagine Baird will play RB next game.

My biggest concern is bringing back Olsson, who to me seems past his best now, and prone to an error.

I would love to see Poco play left back with Lescott back in the middle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 23, 2015, 12:17:32 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on March 23, 2015, 09:03:11 AM
I would imagine Baird will play RB next game.

My biggest concern is bringing back Olsson, who to me seems past his best now, and prone to an error.

I would love to see Poco play left back with Lescott back in the middle.
Lescott will be back in the middle and Brunt at LB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on April 05, 2015, 12:51:04 AM
this bloke is frustrating the hell out of me,why baird anywhere near the first team squad,why didn't yacob start today since when was Morrison a better defensive midfielder than yacob,we had no width whatsoever,kick and hoof and hope all game,was sess instructed not to play wide,i will never forgive him for the team selection v villa in the cup,but its actually getting worse,good riddance pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 05, 2015, 10:11:56 AM
Pulis has 15 points from his 11 League games. Irvine had 13 points from his first 11 league games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 05, 2015, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: Legend on April 05, 2015, 10:11:56 AM
Pulis has 15 points from his 11 League games. Irvine had 13 points from his first 11 league games.

Based on those figures not a lot to choose between them is there?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 05, 2015, 10:31:38 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on April 05, 2015, 10:27:11 AM
Based on those figures not a lot to choose between them is there?

Er...you conveniently overlook that this means that Irvine had just 5 points from his next 9 games - he was taking us down.

Pulis also has had to make the best of a pooh squad which Irvine left him

Look where we were when Irvine left, and look where we are now.  Says it all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 05, 2015, 10:37:54 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 05, 2015, 10:31:38 AM
Er...you conveniently overlook that this means that Irvine had just 5 points from his next 9 games - he was taking us down.

Pulis also has had to make the best of a pooh squad which Irvine left him

Look where we were when Irvine left, and look where we are now.  Says it all.

I'd question whether Irvine wanted most of those signings and I do remember him saying there was players he felt we needed but weren't able to get. A team that finished 17th last season and in a mess, lost a lot of players to be replaced by inexperienced Premier League players who are not good enough for this level. I have sympathy with both Irvine and Pulis to be honest because this squad needs an overhaul.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on April 05, 2015, 10:44:56 AM
Quote from: Legend on April 05, 2015, 10:11:56 AM
Pulis has 15 points from his 11 League games. Irvine had 13 points from his first 11 league games.

Unfortunately for Irvine it was his last 11 games that led to his departure. He was wrongly put in charge but rightly let go. It was a shame for him but people need to let it go. Pulis has dragged us out the mire, exactly what he was asked to do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on April 05, 2015, 10:45:34 AM
I think Pulis has done a great job up to now, however looking at the remaining fixtures and the fact we've lost 4 out the last 5 (league and cup) I can see his team ending the season on a very poor run of results. Can see us getting another 5 points which should hopefully see us safe, but can honestly see us losing 4 out the last 7. A stark contrast to his first 10 losing only 1, think we maybe looking at losing 8 out the last 12. One hell of a rebuilding job required.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on April 05, 2015, 10:49:50 AM
Yep, done very well up to the first Villa game but since then, apart from the Stoke match, it's been pretty dire and no improvement upon the past two years.

However, I'm in no way wanting to get rid of Pulis. Far from it, I'm looking forward to seeing what he, or he's allowed to do, with his wheeling and dealing in the summer. So much dead wood yet again at this club even after all the changes in the summer..................surely Burton must be responsible for it ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 05, 2015, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 05, 2015, 10:31:38 AM
Er...you conveniently overlook that this means that Irvine had just 5 points from his next 9 games - he was taking us down.

Pulis also has had to make the best of a pooh squad which Irvine left him

Look where we were when Irvine left, and look where we are now.  Says it all.

And you conveniently overlook the fact that Pulis released probably our most talented attacking player (Varela), released or isolated any attacking talent that may gives options from the bench (Gamboa, Samaras, etc), continually played players out opposition (I was yet to be won over by Gardner but playing him on the wing hardly helps does it) and has decided to dump the best left back that we have had for a good while (Poco). You also forget that Pulis has overseen some of the most deliberately appalling performances I have seen for years.

The last 30 minutes yesterday where weediest smashed the ball up the pitch was not the work of a tactical genius, it was obvious desperation.

I'm glad that we have won a few matches under Pulis but comparing his record against Irvine (a div 1 manager at best) is hardly a good comparison.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 05, 2015, 10:55:57 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 05, 2015, 10:31:38 AM
Er...you conveniently overlook that this means that Irvine had just 5 points from his next 9 games - he was taking us down.

Pulis also has had to make the best of a pooh squad which Irvine left him

Look where we were when Irvine left, and look where we are now.  Says it all.
How many points do you expect to get from our remaining games?

Our recruitment policy has not been the sole responsibility of our head coach for a long time but dismissing recognised internationals and relying on a threadbare squad is not, in my opinion, good management. We have little option but to hoof long balls up to two/three injured strikers and try to defend for our lives, why is that?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 05, 2015, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: AlbionBest on April 05, 2015, 10:49:50 AM
Yep, done very well up to the first Villa game but since then, apart from the Stoke match, it's been pretty dire and no improvement upon the past two years.

However, I'm in no way wanting to get rid of Pulis. Far from it, I'm looking forward to seeing what he, or he's allowed to do, with his wheeling and dealing in the summer. So much dead wood yet again at this club even after all the changes in the summer..................surely Burton must be responsible for it ?

Agreed, we have to, and quite clearly will keep Pulis as he has done enough to keep us up, but I really am nervous about the summer window, and the type of players and style of football that will follow, and I really can't predict which way it will go. When only fact I have is that I saw the Stoke team that he built over several years, and that fills me with dread.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 05, 2015, 11:06:23 AM
Quote from: frazzle on April 05, 2015, 10:59:31 AM
Agreed, we have to, and quite clearly will keep Pulis as he has done enough to keep us up, but I really am nervous about the summer window, and the type of players and style of football that will follow, and I really can't predict which way it will go. When only fact I have is that I saw the Stoke team that he built over several years, and that fills me with dread.
But he did play really exciting football at Palace for 6 months  ???

(With a team he inherited from Ian Holloway,  renowned for trying to score more than he conceded,  before having to leave over transfer policy.  :-X)

Our future under Pulis would be fairly secure (if we recruit as he would seemingly want), just not necessarily entertaining.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 05, 2015, 11:15:42 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 05, 2015, 10:31:38 AM
Er...you conveniently overlook that this means that Irvine had just 5 points from his next 9 games - he was taking us down.

Pulis also has had to make the best of a pooh squad which Irvine left him

Look where we were when Irvine left, and look where we are now.  Says it all.

Dress it up any way you like, the last two managers/coaches we have had were not fans choices.
Most fans on here were salivating at the prospect of having Sherwood as manager, as soon as he's appointed at the scutters he automatically becomes the anti-christ. If we had had a straight choice between Sherwood and Pulis I doubt if many would have opted for the latter.
Pulis has done an ok job in difficult circumstances, he's not helped himself by ostracising Poco and playing Lescott at left back, by trying to play Gardner as a winger, not giving Gambo a run to see what he can do.
He has been hailed on here as a tactical genius at times, well if yesterday's fare was an example of tactical nouse then we really are in trouble.
I think we'll just about stay up.
If JP will give him the funds then we will see what he delivers next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 05, 2015, 11:21:55 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on April 05, 2015, 11:15:42 AM
Dress it up any way you like, the last two managers/coaches we have had were not fans choices.
Most fans on here were salivating at the prospect of having Sherwood as manager, as soon as he's appointed at the scutters he automatically becomes the anti-christ. If we had had a straight choice between Sherwood and Pulis I doubt if many would have opted for the latter.
Pulis has done an ok job in difficult circumstances, he's not helped himself by ostracising Poco and playing Lescott at left back, by trying to play Gardner as a winger, not giving Gambo a run to see what he can do.
He has been hailed on here as a tactical genius at times, well if yesterday's fare was an example of tactical nouse then we really are in trouble.
I think we'll just about stay up.
If JP will give him the funds then we will see what he delivers next year.

I would take Pulis over Sherwood every day of the week, fact is, Villa have a stronger squad than us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 05, 2015, 11:45:59 AM
Quote from: frazzle on April 05, 2015, 10:54:19 AM
And you conveniently overlook the fact that Pulis released probably our most talented attacking player (Varela), released or isolated any attacking talent that may gives options from the bench (Gamboa, Samaras, etc), continually played players out opposition (I was yet to be won over by Gardner but playing him on the wing hardly helps does it) and has decided to dump the best left back that we have had for a good while (Poco). You also forget that Pulis has overseen some of the most deliberately appalling performances I have seen for years.

The last 30 minutes yesterday where weediest smashed the ball up the pitch was not the work of a tactical genius, it was obvious desperation.

I'm glad that we have won a few matches under Pulis but comparing his record against Irvine (a div 1 manager at best) is hardly a good comparison.

The reason why it was obvious desperation in the last 30 minutes yesterday was because we were 3-1 down and in obviously desperate trouble.

Its hard to argue so far with what Pulis has done.  It was never going to be pretty but number one job was to keep us up.  Entertainment value came a long way behind in list of priorities.

I share your concerns with some of his selections, especially Pocognoli being left out and Lescott playing at left back  and also Varela being released.   There is clearly more to both situations than we have been told.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on April 05, 2015, 11:47:30 AM
Anybody who plays Norman consistently was never going to keep his job
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 05, 2015, 11:48:46 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 05, 2015, 10:55:57 AM
How many points do you expect to get from our remaining games?

Our recruitment policy has not been the sole responsibility of our head coach for a long time but dismissing recognised internationals and relying on a threadbare squad is not, in my opinion, good management. We have little option but to hoof long balls up to two/three injured strikers and try to defend for our lives, why is that?

Probably 3-4 points is all we will get. It will be enough, and then the real work starts to totally rebuild the squad.

The January transfer window was yet another dogs breakfast.  Why was that?  There are common denominators which do not include either Irvine or Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on April 05, 2015, 11:50:26 AM
Pulis is currently in his best start with any club he has managed in the top flight.

My concern is the lack of proper fullbacks on the pitch when we have them on the bench, but other than that people need to remember we are still 8 points ahead of the bottom three with 7 to play thats not a bad cushion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 05, 2015, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on April 05, 2015, 11:15:42 AM
Dress it up any way you like, the last two managers/coaches we have had were not fans choices.
Most fans on here were salivating at the prospect of having Sherwood as manager, as soon as he's appointed at the scutters he automatically becomes the anti-christ. If we had had a straight choice between Sherwood and Pulis I doubt if many would have opted for the latter.
Pulis has done an ok job in difficult circumstances, he's not helped himself by ostracising Poco and playing Lescott at left back, by trying to play Gardner as a winger, not giving Gambo a run to see what he can do.
He has been hailed on here as a tactical genius at times, well if yesterday's fare was an example of tactical nouse then we really are in trouble.
I think we'll just about stay up.
If JP will give him the funds then we will see what he delivers next year.

Yet many people rate Pulis as one if the best managers in the Premiership outside the top 6 clubs.  His record is streets ahead of anyone else.

Sherwood is all mouth and has achieved nothing yet.  Yes, he plays football the right way but his man-management skills leave a lot to be desired.  This job was not one for somebody with L-plates. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 05, 2015, 12:02:50 PM
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=15045.1475

80% wanted Pulis and 20% wanted Sherwood. No doubt those 20% are the one who are still moaning now ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 05, 2015, 12:10:54 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 05, 2015, 12:02:50 PM
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=15045.1475

80% wanted Pulis and 20% wanted Sherwood. No doubt those 20% are the one who are still moaning now ;)

And they will still be moaning in 3 years time when Pulis is still here, having kept us up each time.

I think this time next year is the time to really judge Pulis with two transfer windows and a full pre-season behind him.   I think we will see a lot more pace and width, and that alone will be a big improvement
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on April 05, 2015, 12:13:45 PM
His football is not exciting but he has had more Prem experience than our Three previous coaches. Steve Clarke and Alan Irvine were basically number 2's.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on April 05, 2015, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on April 05, 2015, 11:47:30 AM
Anybody who plays Norman consistently was never going to keep his job

But he's still much better than Baird, who shouldn't be anywhere near starting at this level now (his best days are 4-5 years ago).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on April 05, 2015, 12:36:40 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 05, 2015, 12:10:54 PM
And they will still be moaning in 3 years time when Pulis is still here, having kept us up each time.

I think this time next year is the time to really judge Pulis with two transfer windows and a full pre-season behind him.   I think we will see a lot more pace and width, and that alone will be a big improvement
Trust me everyone will be moaning if Pulis is still here in 3 years time and the away support will be down to a few hundred.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 05, 2015, 01:18:44 PM
If he's still here in 3 years time he will be the longest serving manager since Gary Megson.

Whether you like Pulis or not you have to admit the club needs a period of stability. Hodgson looked well on course to bring continuity but the England job came up.

The long serving players have had Mowbray, Di Matteo, Hodgson, Clarke, Mel, Irvine and now Pulis all in a relatively short space of time. All of them bringing different methods and ideas to training and to games. How are the players supposed to buy into the head coaches methods when they see a new guy come in every 9 or 10 months?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 05, 2015, 02:11:29 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on April 05, 2015, 12:36:40 PM
Trust me everyone will be moaning if Pulis is still here in 3 years time and the away support will be down to a few hundred.

"Everyone"?  Really?  You've clearly made up your own mind already.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 05, 2015, 02:17:00 PM
I'll be delighted if Pulis is still at the helm in 2018. It'll mean we've had a successful few seasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 05, 2015, 02:45:00 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 05, 2015, 12:02:50 PM
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=15045.1475

80% wanted Pulis and 20% wanted Sherwood. No doubt those 20% are the one who are still moaning now ;)

I would have been one of the Sherwood voters, and I guess that my response was on the assumption of 'anyone but Pulis'!  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on April 06, 2015, 12:58:53 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 05, 2015, 02:17:00 PM
I'll be delighted if Pulis is still at the helm in 2018. It'll mean we've had a successful few seasons.

You mean we have survived/limped over the line a few seasons. That is truly the extent of our 'ambition', never mind the rubbish 'football' or all the rubbish the coaches and players spout.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on April 06, 2015, 03:55:38 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 05, 2015, 12:02:50 PM
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=15045.1475

80% wanted Pulis and 20% wanted Sherwood. No doubt those 20% are the one who are still moaning now ;)

I honestly didn't want either. I was hoping a secret 3rd option would present themselves.

Tim is a bag of wind and TP plays horrific football.

We will survive and that is all for the foreseeable future. I only hope he tries for the cups.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on April 06, 2015, 04:12:01 AM
Is it better than the last couple years ? yes Pulis is a pro and very good at organising us, Is it more exciting ? not really we play some good stuff at times but when it matters and we need to show some courage and spine we fail completely, If a team scores at the shrine we dont win the game which shows to me if a team shows up at our place we really dont fancy ourselves to come out on top.

I reckon will get the win next week and Leicester will score putting this horrible home record to bed  :D and ensure our safety heres to hoping.

Good result considering all things villa they are in trouble and look shaky at the back, Good job they aint got us again hopefully other teams will carry on showing them up for the poor team they are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 06, 2015, 05:10:36 AM
Judge him next season imo.  He's just trying to get by with what he has got at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 06, 2015, 06:32:06 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on April 06, 2015, 04:12:01 AM
Is it better than the last couple years ? yes Pulis is a pro and very good at organising us, Is it more exciting ? not really we play some good stuff at times but when it matters and we need to show some courage and spine we fail completely, If a team scores at the shrine we dont win the game which shows to me if a team shows up at our place we really dont fancy ourselves to come out on top.

I reckon will get the win next week and Leicester will score putting this horrible home record to bed  :D and ensure our safety heres to hoping.

Good result considering all things villa they are in trouble and look shaky at the back, Good job they aint got us again hopefully other teams will carry on showing them up for the poor team they are.

Is he really?
Not a dig but this is the third time since he took over that we have conceded 3 or more goals in a game.
As soon as the opposition score we look a complete dogs dinner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on April 06, 2015, 06:48:45 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on April 06, 2015, 06:32:06 AM
Is he really?
Not a dig but this is the third time since he took over that we have conceded 3 or more goals in a game.
As soon as the opposition score we look a complete dogs dinner.

That's because we ain't got no pedigree, chum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 06, 2015, 07:13:31 PM
Quote from: Adamstv on April 06, 2015, 06:48:45 PM
That's because we ain't got no pedigree, chum.
l

He's also having to try to polish a turd
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on April 06, 2015, 07:34:27 PM
Quote from: Adamstv on April 06, 2015, 06:48:45 PM
That's because we ain't got no pedigree, chum.

very good chappie !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 06, 2015, 07:51:16 PM
I'll judge him this time next season , personally think overall he has done a decent job (so far) with the shambles he inherited.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on April 11, 2015, 05:04:10 PM
A new manager bounce aside I'm really struggling to see how we're in anyway better under Pulis, frankly I think we're somewhat worse, certainly in keeping the ball. People slagged off Irvine for playing people out of position yet under Pulis every single game we have a left winger and a centre back as our full backs. Craig Gardner is regularly our right winger. If we have to make a change you can be pretty sure Chris Baird or Jonas Olsson will be first amongst the names regardless of the match situation or player being subbed.

Defensively are we better? No way. A few clean sheets to start off with but that makes 7 goals conceded against the bottom 2. Add that to 4 goals conceded over 2 games to a Villa side that was the worst goalscoring side ever in the league at that point.

Going forward we're worse. Going worse than a goal a game. Possession wise we're definitely worse. We don't even attempt to keep the ball anymore. We hoof it up despite the fact none of our strikers are particularly good in the air (have we actually scored a flick on like Leicester did despite that being our sole tactic in many games)?



If we somehow fluke staying up we should cut Pulis loose. Giving him funds to shape this squad is a recipe for disaster. He bought absolutely  terribly for Stoke and he'd do the same here except he doesn't even have the base to work from as few of our players are suited to his sit back for 90 minutes and hit it to the big man game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 11, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
Quote from: Dan on April 11, 2015, 05:04:10 PM

If we somehow fluke staying up we should cut Pulis loose. Giving him funds to shape this squad is a recipe for disaster. He bought absolutely  terribly for Stoke and he'd do the same here except he doesn't even have the base to work from as few of our players are suited to his sit back for 90 minutes and hit it to the big man game.

Yet 2 seasons after leaving, the current starting XI is made up of 8 players brought in by Pulis...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 11, 2015, 05:38:22 PM
I wonder how SAF would get on with this pile of ****! Never mind TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 11, 2015, 05:47:36 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on April 11, 2015, 05:38:22 PM
I wonder how SAF would get on with this pile of ****! Never mind TP.

He would not play so many out of position, that's for certain.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 11, 2015, 05:51:31 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 11, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
Yet 2 seasons after leaving, the current starting XI is made up of 8 players brought in by Pulis...

Correct.

The difference is that Pulis buys players with character.  He's inherited very little of that.

Stoke teams under him were known as fighters who don't give up. Maybe lesser footballers but not ones who throw games away

He needs to have a chance to build his own team. Can't get judged on how he's done with a squad of misfits recruited by Burton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 11, 2015, 05:59:27 PM
id cut him some slack if he would show some balls and play for a win for a change, since hes been here we must have played barcalona every week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 11, 2015, 06:09:25 PM
I'm just eternally grateful that we have Pulis and his excellent organisation skills..

I also look forward to 90 minutes of defending our penalty area next week. With Palace scoring four today he might want to think of starting Olsson and Baird, amongst the rest and going even more ultra defensive next week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on April 11, 2015, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 11, 2015, 05:51:31 PM
Correct.

The difference is that Pulis buys players with character.  He's inherited very little of that.

Stoke teams under him were known as fighters who don't give up. Maybe lesser footballers but not ones who throw games away

He needs to have a chance to build his own team. Can't get judged on how he's done with a squad of misfits recruited by Burton.

Totally agree - he knows exactly the type of characters needed for a competent, competitive PL team - unfortunately there were not many of them to be found in the dressing room he inherited!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on April 11, 2015, 06:12:57 PM
Pulis' s dream line up....

                            Foster
Dawson      Gmac    Lescott   olsson   Brunt
                 
Gardner         Baird      Yacob        Morrison




                              Berahino
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 11, 2015, 06:15:13 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on April 11, 2015, 06:09:25 PM
I'm just eternally grateful that we have Pulis and his excellent organisation skills..

I also look forward to 90 minutes of defending our penalty area next week. With Palace scoring four today he might want to think of starting Olsson and Baird, amongst the rest and going even more ultra defensive next week.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2015, 06:18:03 PM
Next week will be s*** irrespective of the football. Hundreds of day trippers sitting on their hands. I think we will win next week as it happens. Got Swansea away last season written all over it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 11, 2015, 06:18:40 PM
The way I see it, when Pulis first came in we were a few points off the drop (in a worse position than we are now). As a result he was more adventurous and would go at teams more...it was a better balance and even though the football was defensive, it wasn't too defensive and it was out of organisation more than fear.
Today was defending out of fear. Yes, the players were awful and let him and us down, but you cannot expect to win a game when you go all out defend from the 45th minute. I'd have happily asked for defensive football with a decent counter attack, but instead it was ultra-defensive with no options to pass too from the half-way line onwards.

Hopefully he'll re-access for the next few games and realise that he's been too negative of late.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 11, 2015, 06:20:18 PM
free travel! I'd leave the players in the car park & park the actual bus - couldnt do much worse
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 11, 2015, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on April 11, 2015, 06:20:18 PM
free travel! I'd leave the players in the car park & park the actual bus - couldnt do much worse

With the performances on the pitch from the last two weeks i'd pick the team from those travelling to watch.

Guaranteed more effort, desire, commitment and wouldn't be just going through the motions.

For all the abuse Pulis is getting players have a right to actually try and earn a wage, some of these lot are abusing it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 11, 2015, 06:25:10 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 11, 2015, 06:23:10 PM
With the performances on the pitch from the last two weeks i'd pick the team from those travelling to watch.

Guaranteed more effort, desire, commitment and wouldn't be just going through the motions.

For all the abuse Pulis is getting players have a right to actually try and earn a wage, some of these lot are abusing it.
cant disagree with anything you've said there! tbf
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 11, 2015, 06:31:08 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2015, 06:18:03 PM
Next week will be pooh irrespective of the football. Hundreds of day trippers sitting on their hands. I think we will win next week as it happens. Got Swansea away last season written all over it.

To win would require us crossing the half way line and actually attempting to have a shot.

Personally, I reckon it would be some achievement if we actually crossed the half way line
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 11, 2015, 06:33:18 PM
His tactics need calling into question.
Morrison was our best player today and he fetches him off.
Why put Olsson on and go even more ultra defensive?
We've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory today
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 11, 2015, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on April 11, 2015, 06:31:08 PM
To win would require us crossing the half way line and actually attempting to have a shot.

Personally, I reckon it would be some achievement if we actually crossed the half way line

Funny I thought we scored two today and should have had another if Saido had passed to Gardner instead of passing to Schmeichel plus then Lescott's header going over in the first half. Must have imagined those.

Pity I actually witnessed McAuley pretending to be Beckenbauer on the halfway line and a few other half arsed performances from those mighty warriors in white robbing a living.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 11, 2015, 06:44:00 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 11, 2015, 06:37:48 PM
Funny I thought we scored two today and should have had another if Saido had passed to Gardner instead of passing to Schmeichel plus then Lescott's header going over in the first half. Must have imagined those.

Pity I actually witnessed McAuley pretending to be Beckenbauer on the halfway line and a few other half arsed performances from those mighty warriors in white robbing a living.

I was replying to a post referring to next week which is an away game..

Away from home, crossing the half way line is an achievement given how defensive we are
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 11, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on April 11, 2015, 06:44:00 PM
I was replying to a post referring to next week which is an away game..

Away from home, crossing the half way line is an achievement given how defensive we are

Make yourself clear then  :D

Players need to stand up and take responsibility. Pulis is not blameless but this lot have had it easy for far too long.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 11, 2015, 07:03:23 PM
Whatever people think of TP and/or his tactics I think he's shown enough in his interviews that he cares about our situation a damn sight more than some of the people making schoolboy errors on the pitch do! Ok he's getting paid a fair whack but he aint the only one!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 11, 2015, 07:03:58 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 11, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Make yourself clear then  :D

Players need to stand up and take responsibility. Pulis is not blameless but this lot have had it easy for far too long.

I reckon it's old age catching up with you  :P

No doubt these players are spineless but we looked OK for 45 minutes. I have no doubt they were under instruction to sit back and we ended up that deep it made it nigh on difficult to retain possession. The same happened against Hull, Stoke and Southampton. Luckily we won those but we can't keep getting away with it and today we paid the price.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 11, 2015, 07:05:18 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on April 11, 2015, 07:03:23 PM
Whatever people think of TP and/or his tactics I think he's shown enough in his interviews that he cares about our situation a damn sight more than some of the people making schoolboy errors on the pitch do! Ok he's getting paid a fair whack but he aint the only one!

Then why doesn't he drop those said players who don't care, he is the manager after all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: allenkevanastle on April 11, 2015, 07:10:17 PM
Right, Pulis-lovers, tell me once again how he's The Saviour and how he'll 'sort it out. I am savage after watching that. I detest this man's ideas on football, how he sets up teams and the negativity with which he approaches games. Hoofball is not what I want to watch. defending on the edge of our area from the moment we take a lead or if we're away from home is not what I want to watch. Blaming players is the easy way out. Putting centre backs at full back, taking off a midfielder to bring on another centre back, hoofing the ball to nowhere and expecting skilful youngsters to chase after it is parks football at its worst.
I'm not going to bother arguing with those who were convinced that AI was taking us down. It's irrelevant as he's gone but what we have instead is appalling.  The sooner this man is out of our club the better. If it was anyone else it would be tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 11, 2015, 07:13:58 PM
Quote from: Aztech on April 11, 2015, 07:05:18 PM
Then why doesn't he drop those said players who don't care, he is the manager after all.
probably because the others arent good enough either!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 11, 2015, 07:18:39 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on April 11, 2015, 07:13:58 PM
probably because the others arent good enough either!

How will we ever know if they are never given the chance.

Personally I don't believe that the players don't care.

In QPR last week and Leicester today we have seen two teams who contain a squad of players who are certainly not streets ahead of our own team, yet both of them looked far more comfortable when in possession of the football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 11, 2015, 07:26:07 PM
Quote from: Aztech on April 11, 2015, 07:18:39 PM
How will we ever know if they are never given the chance.

Personally I don't believe that the players don't care.

In QPR last week and Leicester today we have seen two teams who contain a squad of players who are certainly not streets ahead of our own team, yet both of them looked far more comfortable when in possession of the football.
re your final point - I agree but we've been poor in possession of the ball for at least 2 seasons! The phrases hot potato, couldnt trap a bag of cement & couldnt tackle a sunday dinner spring to the fore ie as I said players aint good enough!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 11, 2015, 07:29:06 PM
Throughout his reign I have been reliably informed that Pulis's football might not be pretty but he gets results and stands no nonsense from his players.  Well it isn't pretty and now it seems it isn't even particularly effective. and if the last two performances are an example of taking no nonsense from his players well God help us.

I am starting to wonder what would be worse relegation and losing Pulis and half the players or survival and having the squad reshaped in his image. I suppose the worst possible option would be relegation and Pulis being put in charge of the rebuild.

Finally I find it strange that under Irvine misplaced passes, dozy defending and squandered chances were the Head Coaches fault and now they seem to be the players fault. If I had to bet on it I would say that the two will have very similar records over the course of the season and it will be an absolute fluke if that is good enough to keep us up.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 11, 2015, 07:32:52 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on April 11, 2015, 07:26:07 PM
re your final point - I agree but we've been poor in possession of the ball for at least 2 seasons! The phrases hot potato, couldnt trap a bag of cement & couldnt tackle a sunday dinner spring to the fore ie as I said players aint good enough!

Whilst I agree that the players are not good enough to secure us a position in the top half of the premier league, they are good enough to take on the likes of QPR and Leicester at home, provided the tactics are right.

Unfortunately under Pulis the emphasis is on defending and trying to catch teams on the break. It simply gives average players a massive lift and belief that they can secure a win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 11, 2015, 07:38:05 PM
I think AI had the world against him from the start ie just looking at his managerial record. TP we all know what were getting! Pepe Mel the players didnt like him!
I think most supporters with any ounce of common sense can see that player power has been endemic here for a while & unfortunately they are the clubs most valuable assets! They are the common denominator for the clubs position! All the 3 mentioned managers cant be wrong or unable to get something out of them? or can they? Most proper supporters I'm sure would say its the players fault!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on April 11, 2015, 07:39:15 PM
TP sets his teams up to defend but we have let 7 goals in in two games against the bottom 2 sides in the division.
What hope have we got in our remaining games?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 11, 2015, 07:43:36 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on April 11, 2015, 07:38:05 PM
I think AI had the world against him from the start ie just looking at his managerial record. TP we all know what were getting! Pepe Mel the players didnt like him!
I think most supporters with any ounce of common sense can see that player power has been endemic here for a while & unfortunately they are the clubs most valuable assets! They are the common denominator for the clubs position! All the 3 mentioned managers cant be wrong or unable to get something out of them? or can they? Most proper supporters I'm sure would say its the players fault!

How does it make you a proper supporter to say it is the players fault?

The current group of players are not good enough to finish top half of the premier league, however they should not be losing to teams like QPR and Leicester at home.

Whilst the players need to shoulder their share of the blame, Irvine and Pulis both have their faults that have had an effect on our league position this year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on April 11, 2015, 07:44:08 PM
Any team that are made to play in the manner that Pulis is asking baggies to play will not look good in any game they play.  Pulis has ripped the squad to pieces sold off or let go internationals or makes them sit on the bench for game after game, those that he kept are not being used but uses substandard players, plays the regulars out of position the man has no footballing nous whatsoever, he is no better than any manager we have had since Roy as he takes the same head in the sand attitude as the rest of them.   If I were Mr Peace I would not trust the man with any money to buy the likes of McManaman next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on April 11, 2015, 07:46:00 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 11, 2015, 06:23:10 PM
With the performances on the pitch from the last two weeks i'd pick the team from those travelling to watch.

Guaranteed more effort, desire, commitment and wouldn't be just going through the motions.

For all the abuse Pulis is getting players have a right to actually try and earn a wage, some of these lot are abusing it.
Pulis deserves all the abuse  he's getting he got rid of one of our best attacking options.
He played baird against QPR one of the worst players I have ever seen in an Albion shirt.
Plays centre halfs as full backs.
Bolasie,Puncheon and Zaha will have a field day next week you cannot keep blaming the players Pearson outthought him today with the change at halftime he's not as good tactically as a lot of people make out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on April 11, 2015, 07:46:10 PM
pulis for me has to take a lot of the blame , how can we play like we did against west ham and now play like a pub team ????
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 11, 2015, 07:52:27 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on April 11, 2015, 07:46:10 PM
pulis for me has to take a lot of the blame , how can we play like we did against west ham and now play like a pub team ????

It's all about belief!

On their day this current group of players should not be struggling against relegation.

My concern is the way we give the opposition control of the game early on, thus the longer the game goes on they start to believe there is something in it for them.

Once we scored our second goal today we should have taken the game to them, instead we sit deep and simply hit long balls in a attempt to release the pressure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 11, 2015, 07:54:09 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on April 11, 2015, 07:38:05 PM
I think AI had the world against him from the start ie just looking at his managerial record. TP we all know what were getting! Pepe Mel the players didnt like him!
I think most supporters with any ounce of common sense can see that player power has been endemic here for a while & unfortunately they are the clubs most valuable assets! They are the common denominator for the clubs position! All the 3 mentioned managers cant be wrong or unable to get something out of them? or can they? Most proper supporters I'm sure would say its the players fault!

Proper supporters?

Come on. The great Messiah Pulis turns out not to be as great as everyone thinks, and we all turn on the players. A good chunk of the current squad have joined fairly recently and the longer serving players were part of our most successful premier league team under Hodgson. Under Pulis we have players out of position, we have released players that might have made a difference, we have no width, no attacking intent and he has overseen some of the most deliberately negative games in my lifetime supporting Albion, and that includes Megson.

I'm sure most proper fans  ;) will realise that the manager does have an impact on how the team is motivated, trained and tactically set up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 11, 2015, 08:20:33 PM
Quote from: Baggies54 on April 11, 2015, 07:44:08 PM
Any team that are made to play in the manner that Pulis is asking baggies to play will not look good in any game they play.  Pulis has ripped the squad to pieces sold off or let go internationals or makes them sit on the bench for game after game, those that he kept are not being used but uses substandard players, plays the regulars out of position the man has no footballing nous whatsoever, he is no better than any manager we have had since Roy as he takes the same head in the sand attitude as the rest of them.   If I were Mr Peace I would not trust the man with any money to buy the likes of McManaman next season.

Not sure why you are blaming McManaman - we were winning before he got injured and have barely won a point while he's been missing.....

Pulis inherited a crock of sh*t and Fletcher is the only new face with McManaman injured

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 11, 2015, 08:33:12 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on April 11, 2015, 07:13:58 PM
probably because the others arent good enough either!
don't buy that elmo, poco had shown he was capable enough times to play left back, its pulis who keeps insisting on playing a ch or brunt in that position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on April 11, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
We have lost the last two games at home to teams in the bottom three and conceded 7 goals in the process.
We are still well out of danger at the moment and still above the Villa.
Hull and Sunderland look doomed, but Leicester, Burnley and QPR look to have some fight left. We look like Norwich last season, we are in free fall at the moment, need a point at Palace.
i fear for us at the moment, can't see us getting another point
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 11, 2015, 10:11:35 PM
can not see us getting any points out of the final six games, the first team needs an almighty kick up the back side as does the coaching staff. JP needs to have words with Pulis about these performances, they are miles below standard.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 11, 2015, 10:13:53 PM
People keep talking about the players Pulis inherited, but he's had the opportunity of a transfer window where some issues could have been addressed. Instead, the window made things worse. Pepe Mel never had the chance to bring in players of his choice.

I can't honestly see how we're going to win another game, particularly when we set out our stall so defensively and yet are leaking goals like a sieve regardless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 11, 2015, 10:15:14 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 11, 2015, 06:37:48 PM
Funny I thought we scored two today and should have had another if Saido had passed to Gardner instead of passing to Schmeichel plus then Lescott's header going over in the first half. Must have imagined those.
According to the stats I saw we had 8 shots today, which isn't exactly an avalanche against the bottom side in the division.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 11, 2015, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on April 11, 2015, 10:13:53 PM
People keep talking about the players Pulis inherited, but he's had the opportunity of a transfer window where some issues could have been addressed. Instead, the window made things worse. Pepe Mel never had the chance to bring in players of his choice.

I can't honestly see how we're going to win another game, particularly when we set out our stall so defensively and yet are leaking goals like a sieve regardless.

But Pulis would have needed to ship players out in order to get new ones in.    McMananam and  Fletcher in  for Dorrans, Varela and Samares nowhere near enough of a change.

Burton and Day have screwed up this squad big time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Cleobury_WBA on April 11, 2015, 11:03:59 PM
To be honest, I'm just really confused over the last few performances. Both Villa games, QPR & Leicester have been awful.

Where is the team that played Swansea, West Ham, Southampton & Stoke??

The personnel have been pretty much the same (except Foster)so I can only conclude that the manner of the Villa league defeat, combined with the FA Cup exit disappointed has knocked the stuffing out of them....??

Pulis said last week that he thought the players thought they were already safe and were 'on the beach' but I'm not so sure....??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on April 11, 2015, 11:25:12 PM
I think complacency throughout the club is your answer.  I think it's all too cushy at WBA.  Maybe Pulis is now like that too. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on April 11, 2015, 11:26:50 PM
Ok. So someone, ANYONE, on here explain this to me :
We were pooh under AI, and it was all AI's fault.
We're even more f##king pooh under Pulis, but the players get most of the blame.
Let's face it - Tony Pulis is bad for West Bromwich Albion. I wouldn't trust him with £ 1 of our money in the summer.
Unfortunately, we need to join the managerial merry go round again.
Pulis must go in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 11, 2015, 11:29:30 PM
Plenty of issues but I'm focusing on the time wasting. We had a brief spell of pressure second half including a corner from the left taken by Brunt. If Brunt had trotted any slower to take it he'd have gone backwards (criticism of Pulis tactics not Brunt).
What's wrong with going for the throat and keeping momentum going ? Such blatant time wasting reflects badly on the club and it shows a highly negative mind-set....and we lose any impetus that we had going.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 11, 2015, 11:39:09 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on April 11, 2015, 11:26:50 PM
Ok. So someone, ANYONE, on here explain this to me :
We were pooh under AI, and it was all AI's fault.
We're even more f##king pooh under Pulis, but the players get most of the blame.
Let's face it - Tony Pulis is bad for West Bromwich Albion. I wouldn't trust him with £ 1 of our money in the summer.
Unfortunately, we need to join the managerial merry go round again.
Pulis must go in the summer.

That's illogical. Pulis inherited Irvine's team in January
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on April 12, 2015, 12:09:46 AM
No it is not illogical, as you call it.
It makes perfect sense.
Same squad. pooh first half of season. Managers fault (AI).
Same squad. Even worse 2nd half of season. Different manager, but now it seems to be the players fault. Yeah, right.
Give me some credit.
Time for Mr Pulis to move on and ruin someone else's club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 12, 2015, 12:27:02 AM
Quote from: GREGMT on April 11, 2015, 11:25:12 PM
I think complacency throughout the club is your answer.  I think it's all too cushy at WBA.  Maybe Pulis is now like that too.

Maybe Pulis is counting down the days to the Summer after realising what he's up against with this lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: A5HB on April 12, 2015, 12:29:07 AM
I remember coming on here to defend Irvine when he was struggling. There were plenty of fans telling me I was a fool for thinking that we shouldn't blame Irvine because it was a near impossible job.

I was told by many that we had a 'good' squad that was poorly used by Irvine, set up in a negative style that was causing all our problems. Many also told me that a better manager would sort it all out. When Pulis first arrived it seemed like that was the case and I would be made to eat my words. However, after an initial boom, it's starting to look like this won't be what happens. I can't say that we have played any better under Pulis, if anything our footballing style had become worse. We had looked more solid defensively, but that is falling away now too.

The truth is that we have a poor squad as the result of woeful recruitment for year culminating in huge recruitment staff changes in the summer and a Head Coach changing giving none of those involved enough time to prepare. That left us with a squad destined to struggle, lacking in key areas.

It's very easy to criticise the managers, plenty were quick to criticise Irvine, but ultimately a managers is only as good as their team, and this one deserves to be where they are and will deserve to be where they finish.

Hopefully Pulis can keep us up and build a more competitive side next year. Until then, it's difficult to really assess anyone in charge because they are always going to struggle with a group that is lacking the extra quality needed to push us away from this kind of strughle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 12, 2015, 12:30:13 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on April 12, 2015, 12:09:46 AM
No it is not illogical, as you call it.
It makes perfect sense.
Same squad. pooh first half of season. Managers fault (AI).
Same squad. Even worse 2nd half of season. Different manager, but now it seems to be the players fault. Yeah, right.
Give me some credit.
Time for Mr Pulis to move on and ruin someone else's club

Difference is Pulis will (I hope) know how to deal with this feckless bunch whereas others have had to put up with getting rid of them in one window to be replaced by more of the same along with the same bunch as the previous bloke.

Hopefully now we have someone who will shake them up when we get to the Summer and replace the majority who seem happy to plod along to allow us to build again ready for a more tactical minded coach to take us forward, problem with that is if we after Pulis leaves go back to the untried, untested mess that got us here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 12, 2015, 12:36:52 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on April 11, 2015, 10:15:14 PM
According to the stats I saw we had 8 shots today, which isn't exactly an avalanche against the bottom side in the division.

You mean a side fighting to stay up where all the players believe they have to work their backsides off whereas we have a squad full of plodders with the odd exception who are planning their Summer holidays and have been for a few weeks ?

I said at the time when Pulis came in, it wouldn't be pretty, it would be a countdown to the end of the season to start the clearout and for me nothing has changed.

We had the usual WBA January transfer window of very little as we have come to expect so we were left with the old guard with two additions in Fletcher and McManaman who has been out for a spell. I expected very little to what we have (hoped for better obviously) to be honest which is why i'm not joining in with the over-reaction. Come August and if we have the majority of this squad and start as we are now then I will no doubt look at it differently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 12, 2015, 02:12:43 AM
Lets be honest, we were sh*t under Irvine and now were sh*t under Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 12, 2015, 02:17:54 AM
Pulis commented that we played OK in the first half but lost it in the second. Perhaps his tactical change in the 2nd half contributed much to that!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on April 12, 2015, 03:07:03 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 11, 2015, 08:20:33 PM
Not sure why you are blaming McManaman - we were winning before he got injured and have barely won a point while he's been missing.....

Pulis inherited a crock of sh*t and Fletcher is the only new face with McManaman injured

Put it in the right context, I was not blaming McManaman just commenting on the type of player Pulis has bought, one good old one and one pile of rubbish that is supposed to be greased lightning but is crocked or when he is fit he is only championship level at best.  You cannot possibly attribute any winning of games to McManaman.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on April 12, 2015, 03:15:37 AM
I personally blame Pulis because he has his own crew with him, expensive crew at that, the one thing in defence of Irvine is that he had Downing and Kiely in his ear non stop which gave him little chance to be his own man, but I doubt he would have let go all the good players Pulis has got rid of.

The one good thing is that when we renew our manager he will have to bring a new crew with him, this time we must make sure they have proper footballing intentions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pete on April 12, 2015, 07:31:33 AM
People on here have stated that the "Group of players" arent good enough yet with more or less the core of players we have Roy got us to the top half of the league.

Burnley, Leicester, QPR, Hull all have "worse" players than at the Albion yet seem to have heart & determination and even when losing WANT to win. They dont set out their stall to defend they ATTACK the big teams, go down fighting! It looks like we are going with a fkn WIMPER! We need to utilise our assets in our supposed £20 million Striker Berahino & £10 million Brown. ATTACK the "smaller" teams and not defend! It breaks me how we sit back and hope for a 1-0 er!

Oh the joys of being a Baggie!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 07:36:30 AM
Quote from: pete on April 12, 2015, 07:31:33 AM
People on here have stated that the "Group of players" arent good enough yet with more or less the core of players we have Roy got us to the top half of the league.

Burnley, Leicester, QPR, Hull all have "worse" players than at the Albion yet seem to have heart & determination and even when losing WANT to win. They dont set out their stall to defend they ATTACK the big teams, go down fighting! It looks like we are going with a fkn WIMPER! We need to utilise our assets in our supposed £20 million Striker Berahino & £10 million Brown. ATTACK the "smaller" teams and not defend! It breaks me how we sit back and hope for a 1-0 er!

Oh the joys of being a Baggie!



I think our squad is urine poor to be honest. There is practically no pace and no creativity in it. We have one striker  who is worthy of the word and probably two, maybe three defenders also.

The players that were here under Roy are now a few years older and they are not progressing they are regressing.

Any manager and i mean literally ANY manager would struggle with the group of players we have at our disposal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on April 12, 2015, 08:04:21 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 12, 2015, 12:36:52 AM
You mean a side fighting to stay up where all the players believe they have to work their backsides off whereas we have a squad full of plodders with the odd exception who are planning their Summer holidays and have been for a few weeks ?

I said at the time when Pulis came in, it wouldn't be pretty, it would be a countdown to the end of the season to start the clearout and for me nothing has changed.

We had the usual WBA January transfer window of very little as we have come to expect so we were left with the old guard with two additions in Fletcher and McManaman who has been out for a spell. I expected very little to what we have (hoped for better obviously) to be honest which is why i'm not joining in with the over-reaction. Come August and if we have the majority of this squad and start as we are now then I will no doubt look at it differently.

Are you tony pull is' agent?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 08:09:21 AM
Quote from: we8seals on April 12, 2015, 08:04:21 AM
Are you tony pull is' agent?

Oldbury has a point to be fair. I'd challenge Mourinho to do much better with the squad we have.

Pulis was brought in to keep us up by hook or by crook and he will do that. We could not afford to become another Wigan / Fulham. Pretty / ugly, it matters not, we just have to make sure we do not go down. Once we can do that we can address the squad which is pretty damn poor and has at the heart more than one or two that are part of a little clique that think they run the club and want it cushy for themselves without putting the graft.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 08:39:21 AM
Quote from: Baggies54 on April 12, 2015, 03:07:03 AM
Put it in the right context, I was not blaming McManaman just commenting on the type of player Pulis has bought, one good old one and one pile of rubbish that is supposed to be greased lightning but is crocked or when he is fit he is only championship level at best.  You cannot possibly attribute any winning of games to McManaman.

Can't blame a player for bring crocked - everyone can pick up a foot injury. 

Maybe we can't attribute any winning of games directly to McManaman, but his presence gave us more width and so changed our shape.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 08:41:24 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on April 12, 2015, 12:09:46 AM
No it is not illogical, as you call it.
It makes perfect sense.
Same squad. pooh first half of season. Managers fault (AI).
Same squad. Even worse 2nd half of season. Different manager, but now it seems to be the players fault. Yeah, right.
Give me some credit.
Time for Mr Pulis to move on and ruin someone else's club

Oh well, you've obviously made up your own mind.   Pulis' record is top drawer for a PL club outside the big 6 or 7.  Give him a chance with HIS squad.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 08:45:52 AM
Quote from: pete on April 12, 2015, 07:31:33 AM
People on here have stated that the "Group of players" arent good enough yet with more or less the core of players we have Roy got us to the top half of the league.

Burnley, Leicester, QPR, Hull all have "worse" players than at the Albion yet seem to have heart & determination and even when losing WANT to win. They dont set out their stall to defend they ATTACK the big teams, go down fighting! It looks like we are going with a fkn WIMPER! We need to utilise our assets in our supposed £20 million Striker Berahino & £10 million Brown. ATTACK the "smaller" teams and not defend! It breaks me how we sit back and hope for a 1-0 er!

Oh the joys of being a Baggie!

I agree fully with your 2nd paragraph.

As for the Roy era, that was now 3 years ago and it isn't the same side at all.   Dawson was out on loan, Lescott, Fletcher, McManamam, Anichebe and Brown Ideye were not here, Berahino wasn't anywhere near the 1st team....nothing like the same team!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 08:47:48 AM
Quote from: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 07:36:30 AM


I think our squad is urine poor to be honest. There is practically no pace and no creativity in it. We have one striker  who is worthy of the word and probably two, maybe three defenders also.

The players that were here under Roy are now a few years older and they are not progressing they are regressing.

Any manager and i mean literally ANY manager would struggle with the group of players we have at our disposal.

I agree totally with that.   An ageing side with no pace or width needs something extra  such as fight send determination, and we don't have that either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 08:48:38 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 08:45:52 AM
I agree fully with your 2nd paragraph.

As for the Roy era, that was now 3 years ago and it isn't the same side at all.   Dawson was out on loan, Lescott, Fletcher, McManamam, Anichebe and Brown Ideye were not here, Berahino wasn't anywhere near the 1st team....nothing like the same team!

Gardner and Wisdom are two more who we didn't have under Roy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 08:50:07 AM
Quote from: we8seals on April 12, 2015, 08:04:21 AM
Are you tony pull is' agent?

I'm with you on that.  Pulis' number 1 priority was to try to keep us up.  We were 3 or 4 places lower at that point in time. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 08:51:28 AM
Quote from: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 08:09:21 AM
Oldbury has a point to be fair. I'd challenge Mourinho to do much better with the squad we have.

Pulis was brought in to keep us up by hook or by crook and he will do that. We could not afford to become another Wigan / Fulham. Pretty / ugly, it matters not, we just have to make sure we do not go down. Once we can do that we can address the squad which is pretty damn poor and has at the heart more than one or two that are part of a little clique that think they run the club and want it cushy for themselves without putting the graft.

Agree 100%.

I just hope we can offload enough of the rubbish without having to pay up their contracts to get rid of them

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on April 12, 2015, 09:13:45 AM
I agree that we need to unload a lot of the rubbish.
But even with new players, the rubbish tactics won't change - big slow Giants at the back, hanging on for 1-0 wins, negative team selections, appalling substitutions....
None of this will change, even with a new influx of players.
Our negatives manager should follow the rubbish out the door in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 09:22:01 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on April 12, 2015, 09:13:45 AM
I agree that we need to unload a lot of the rubbish.
But even with new players, the rubbish tactics won't change - big slow Giants at the back, hanging on for 1-0 wins, negative team selections, appalling substitutions....
None of this will change, even with a new influx of players.
Our negatives manager should follow the rubbish out the door in the summer.

Why will none of this change with a new influx of players?   You're judging Pulis on what he's able to do with this squad, which is minimal.

Big slow giants at the back can be replaced with big quick giants. 

Hanging on for 1-0 wins?  Right at this moment I'd take that as we aren't managing it.

He can only rearrange the deckchairs at present, although I would like to see Pocognoli and more of Sess, but there's clearly a wider issue with Pocognoli and Sess has done very little when he's had the chance lately, I think mainly because of the shape that we are forced to play through lack of width and pace.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on April 12, 2015, 09:27:03 AM
The changes by Pulis yesterday increased the pressure however it was the gutless wonders on the pitch that caused the issues.

Where are the balls they found when Pulis first come here.

I just hope I am correct that three of Sunderland, Hull, Burnley, QPR and Leicester wont find the consistancy to put any more pressure on us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on April 12, 2015, 09:28:19 AM
There is a lot of talk on here stating the poor team Pulis inherited. He did however have a transfer window, bought in a winger who'd had an indifferent season, so no real surprise that's continued. Then bought in Fletcher in a last minute deal because West Ham pulled the plug. He made very quick judgement calls on many of the new recruits and has either shipped them out or frozen them out. I'm not saying he could have fixed the problems in one window (will probably need 3), but I think as a team were just as unbalanced now as we were pre transfer window, maybe even more so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 09:32:13 AM
Quote from: Lego on April 12, 2015, 09:28:19 AM
There is a lot of talk on here stating the poor team Pulis inherited. He did however have a transfer window, bought in a winger who'd had an indifferent season, so no real surprise that's continued. Then bought in Fletcher in a last minute deal because West Ham pulled the plug. He made very quick judgement calls on many of the new recruits and has either shipped them out or frozen them out. I'm not saying he could have fixed the problems in one window (will probably need 3), but I think as a team were just as unbalanced now as we were pre transfer window, maybe even more so.


He didn't have any time to prepare for that window though. Pulis may turn out to be brilliant for us, he may turn out to be awful but so far the jury has to be out. Give him the time to prepare properly, decide what / who he wants, let him implement his plans then judge him. His previous record at other clubs awards him that respect surely?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on April 12, 2015, 09:38:41 AM
Playing players out of position dont help. Making a rod for your own back before you've started. Why drop the intensity yesterday when everything we did in the first half worked. Reminded me of us under megson,  sit back when we got the lead.

Asking for trouble, poor substitutions and tatics yesterday.

Not just him though. The players we have are a bag of s***
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on April 12, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 09:32:13 AM

He didn't have any time to prepare for that window though. Pulis may turn out to be brilliant for us, he may turn out to be awful but so far the jury has to be out. Give him the time to prepare properly, decide what / who he wants, let him implement his plans then judge him. His previous record at other clubs awards him that respect surely?

I totally agree that he had very little time to prepare I'm just simply stating he let more go than he brought in. If your options are so limited why leave yourself short. We could all argue on here they were or were not good enough, that will divide opinion. Yet we have no width and he let a winger with a decent pedigree leave. For a month we had no fit strikers yet he let a striker leave with international and champions league experience leave. Were they really that bad to leave yourself with no options?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 12, 2015, 09:43:08 AM
Hasn't he left his last three out of his last four clubs over his transfer policy?

Stoke the first time. "Failing to exploit the foreign market"
Stoke the second time. "The board feels the need to take the club in a different direction"
Palace. "Mutual consent, after not being backed in the transfer market"

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 09:52:47 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 12, 2015, 09:43:08 AM
Hasn't he left his last three out of his last four clubs over his transfer policy?

Stoke the first time. "Failing to exploit the foreign market"
Stoke the second time. "The board feels the need to take the club in a different direction"
Palace. "Mutual consent, after not being backed in the transfer market"

I can't recall much about his first departure from Stoke.

The second departure at Stoke followed a long period of success when he turned them into a solid top half PL team, which is what they still were when he left.  Only Wenger was a longer serving manager in the PL.  Hardly a failure.

My understanding re Palace was that the chairman wanted to bring Zaha back, while Pulis wanted to use the money to buy two other players that he felt they needed.   Their relationship did not click.

His PL record speaks for itself, but I find it terribly depressing that lots of fans have made up their own minds without giving him a proper chance.  We will not get a better manager able to bring much needed stability to this club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 12, 2015, 09:54:19 AM
West Brom have been struggling for a long time. If Norwich did slightly better at the end of the season you would have gone down. Luckily for you they got 1 point in their last 7 games. But your fate was effectively in their hands with Pepe Mel doing such a poor job. (Bottom 4 finish)

Fast forward to the summer and you had the chance to bring in a new head coach and had enough space in the squad to bring in a fresh new team. For one reason or another that opportunity failed too. Irvine tried his best but has never had the man management attributes to be a success at the top level. (Bottom 4 position when he was removed)

You can re-write and history and bury your heads in the sand as much as you like. But the reality of the situation is West Brom are a bottom 4 club. If you take away the 'new manager boost' from Pulis and you would still be in the bottom 4 now. Things need to change and a lot of rot needs to be cut out of the club in the summer. Pulis has not finished in the bottom 4 since the 2002/03 season Championship season. Give him the freedom and you won't be anywhere near the bottom 4 next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 09:52:47 AM
I can't recall much about his first departure from Stoke.

The second departure at Stoke followed a long period of success when he turned them into a solid top half PL team, which is what they still were when he left.  Only Wenger was a longer serving manager in the PL.  Hardly a failure.

My understanding re Palace was that the chairman wanted to bring Zaha back, while Pulis wanted to use the money to buy two other players that he felt they needed.   Their relationship did not click.

His PL record speaks for itself, but I find it terribly depressing that lots of fans have made up their own minds without giving him a proper chance.  We will not get a better manager able to bring much needed stability to this club.


Fans are reactionary, they make judgement based on emotion. The bigger picture needs to be viewed and any one / two results does not affect that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 12, 2015, 09:57:46 AM
One more point max is all I can see us getting. Let's hope we get over the line eh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 12, 2015, 10:01:08 AM
As I was leaving the ground yesterday, someone commented to me that Pulis has lost the dressing room.
I do blame Pulis for yesterday and Fletcher as captain and all the players....in that order.

How can you play any football when no-one moves or shows for the ball ? There was no width, no fullbacks getting forward. Poor movement up front. No pressing in midfield. That second half especially was incredibly static. There was never anyone to pass to.

Even if we stay up, I am worried about where we are going as a football team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: Adder on April 12, 2015, 10:01:08 AM
As I was leaving the ground yesterday, someone commented to me that Pulis has lost the dressing room.
I do blame Pulis for yesterday and Fletcher as captain and all the players....in that order.

How can you play any football when no-one moves or shows for the ball ? There was no width, no fullbacks getting forward. Poor movement up front. No pressing in midfield. That second half especially was incredibly static. There was never anyone to pass to.

Even if we stay up, I am worried about where we are going as a football team.


I wouldn't pay attention to idle gossip, however attractive it may be to the listener. Besides, half of the idle / cliquey dressing room needs to go anyway. They didn't like Mel, they loved soft touch Irvine, now maybe they don't like working hard under Pulis. naughty word them off they are a cancer at the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 12, 2015, 10:03:26 AM
Quote from: Dudleylad on April 12, 2015, 09:27:03 AM
The changes by Pulis yesterday increased the pressure however it was the gutless wonders on the pitch that caused the issues.

Where are the balls they found when Pulis first come here.

I just hope I am correct that three of Sunderland, Hull, Burnley, QPR and Leicester wont find the consistancy to put any more pressure on us.

The problem is those gutless wonders are constantly looking to Pulis for direction.

First half reasonable shape and tempo and we look the better side, second half sit back as instructed by Pulis and give Leicester the momentum they needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on April 12, 2015, 10:04:48 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 11, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
Yet 2 seasons after leaving, the current starting XI is made up of 8 players brought in by Pulis...

That should shut a few people up who believe Pulis bought badly at Stoke!

Every manager has bought some players that have been dire, even SAF bought duds
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on April 12, 2015, 10:09:04 AM
His PL record speaks for itself, but I find it terribly depressing that lots of fans have made up their own minds without giving him a proper chance.  We will not get a better manager able to bring much needed stability to this club.
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I myself quite like him, I think we've got to grin and bare it this season. His tactics are confusing though, as he has teased us with some great football, then when you get the smile back on your face we revert back to hoof ball. Let's face it Pulis will divide opinion in the short term simply down to his time at Stoke(that's not a dig stokelad84). We became a joke to them and his team and him were hated by a portion of the Albion fans. If he fixes the problems at the club his relationship with the fans will sort itself out, that's the nature of football and supporters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on April 12, 2015, 10:09:17 AM
Quote from: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 10:02:57 AM

I wouldn't pay attention to idle gossip, however attractive it may be to the listener. Besides, half of the idle / cliquey dressing room needs to go anyway. They didn't like Mel, they loved soft touch Irvine, now maybe they don't like working hard under Pulis. naughty word them off they are a cancer at the club.

couldnt have put it better, there is a common denominator in this and it's the players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pete on April 12, 2015, 10:21:33 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 08:45:52 AM
I agree fully with your 2nd paragraph.

As for the Roy era, that was now 3 years ago and it isn't the same side at all.   Dawson was out on loan, Lescott, Fletcher, McManamam, Anichebe and Brown Ideye were not here, Berahino wasn't anywhere near the 1st team....nothing like the same team!
Fair play! However these players brought in were DEEMED to be better!  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 12, 2015, 10:22:42 AM
Quote from: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 10:02:57 AM

I wouldn't pay attention to idle gossip, however attractive it may be to the listener. Besides, half of the idle / cliquey dressing room needs to go anyway. They didn't like Mel, they loved soft touch Irvine, now maybe they don't like working hard under Pulis. naughty word them off they are a cancer at the club.

Yeah. Completely agree with this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on April 12, 2015, 10:23:31 AM
Pulis has done to us fans exactly what AI did. We now have the Pulis apologists, in place of the AI apologists. We seem now to have fans on here who won't hear a bad word about Pulis, when previously we had the AI defenders.
Pulis is more limited than I thought. Ultra negative
, appalling tactics and substitutions, and I want him gone. And don't apologise for that one iota.
And he would do EXACTLY the same thing with a new influx of players.
Ya Ya, I'm waiting for the "oh no, he'll do this and he'll buy that...",
Frigging rubbish. The guy needs to go before we're totally ruined as a club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 12, 2015, 10:29:45 AM
Don't worry about it Lego, I've got thick skin and can take digs  ;)

When Pulis first took over I remember somebody posting a revealing stat. He had won more games at the Hawthorns than Mel and Irvine combined. So I would say your post was bang on the money.

I think it started back in the Tony Mowbray/Chris Lepowski days. Where Mowbray was hailed as this bright and inventive manager. With Pulis portraying the horrible bully who's lucky to be in the game. That snobbery written by Lepowski soon spread to the fan base, with the general opinion turning to "I couldn't watch that sh*t every week!" Or "I would rather go down that watch that sh*t!"

Fast forward a few seasons and you will find Mowbray in the old 3rd division while Pulis was the favourite for every job going at the start of January. It's a funny old game!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on April 12, 2015, 10:29:57 AM
Quote from: Adder on April 12, 2015, 10:01:08 AM
As I was leaving the ground yesterday, someone commented to me that Pulis has lost the dressing room.
I do blame Pulis for yesterday and Fletcher as captain and all the players....in that order.

How can you play any football when no-one moves or shows for the ball ? There was no width, no fullbacks getting forward. Poor movement up front. No pressing in midfield. That second half especially was incredibly static. There was never anyone to pass to.

Even if we stay up, I am worried about where we are going as a football team.
I heard that comment that Pulis has lost the dressing room as well. Makes you wonder if the players are up to their old tricks again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: pete on April 12, 2015, 10:21:33 AM
Fair play! However these players brought in were DEEMED to be better!  :o

In some cases only by Terry Burton though....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on April 12, 2015, 10:29:57 AM
I heard that comment that Pulis has lost the dressing room as well. Makes you wonder if the players are up to their old tricks again.

If that's true then its the players who need shipping out.    Managers need players who they can trust, and we've been on a perpetual circle of new managers inheriting someone else's team.

Can anyone remember when an Albion manager last had a chance to properly build his own team?   I'm struggling on that one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on April 12, 2015, 10:52:48 AM
Well poco is deemed the second best left back in Belgium yet the fourth best left back in west brom?? Gamboa hasn't had a look in under Irvine or pulis so hard to judge but he doesn't do himself any favours with some selections and substitutions. Too negative for me hopefully he leaves in the summer after he fails to keep us up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 10:53:38 AM
The players at the club are a bigger problem than manager / chairman / anyone. They have too much power, quite clearly and that cannot ever be healthy. Who cares what they like / want. Get rid of them their voices are too loud and their actions ... via results, far too small. The arrogance of them is quite laughable from the outside, their ability qualifies them for no say in anything whatsoever.

If EVER there was a club that needs a clear out it's West Bromwich Albion ......... NOW!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 10:57:52 AM
Quote from: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 10:53:38 AM
The players at the club are a bigger problem than manager / chairman / anyone. They have too much power, quite clearly and that cannot ever be healthy. Who cares what they like / want. Get rid of them their voices are too loud and their actions ... via results, far too small. The arrogance of them is quite laughable from the outside, their ability qualifies them for no say in anything whatsoever.

If EVER there was a club that needs a clear out it's West Bromwich Albion ......... NOW!

Am totally with you on that.   The players are the one common denominator

Massive clearout needed next month whether we stay up or go down

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pete on April 12, 2015, 11:11:59 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 10:57:52 AM
Am totally with you on that.   The players are the one common denominator

Massive clearout needed next month whether we stay up or go down
You stated earlier that the majority of players arent the same ones!  I dont get your argument unless you mean a certain core of players which I stated earlier?

Which players are the ones that are "meant" to be causing issues in the dressing room?

No player is bigger than the club which I agree but if the players are revolting then surely weve been buying or gotten rid of the wrong players. Look at Burnley, they would all run through a brick wall for their manager which is shown on the pitch whereas ours wouldnt run to the fkn half way line dressed as Sir Geoff FFS!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: pete on April 12, 2015, 11:11:59 AM
You stated earlier that the majority of players arent the same ones!  I dont get your argument unless you mean a certain core of players which I stated earlier?

Which players are the ones that are "meant" to be causing issues in the dressing room?

No player is bigger than the club which I agree but if the players are revolting then surely weve been buying or gotten rid of the wrong players. Look at Burnley, they would all run through a brick wall for their manager which is shown on the pitch whereas ours wouldnt run to the fkn half way line dressed as Sir Geoff FFS!

The common denominators seem to be Foster, Olssen, Mulumbu, Yacob, Brunt, Morrison, McAuley....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
The common denominators seem to be Foster, Olssen, Mulumbu, Yacob, Brunt, Morrison, McAuley....


I couldn't name all but Foster, Morrison and Brunt certainly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 11:21:40 AM

I couldn't name all but Foster, Morrison and Brunt certainly.

Then get rid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 12, 2015, 11:38:54 AM
It could take 2 or 3 windows to get rid of everybody.

I would bet Mulumbu, McAuley and Olssen would be out of the door in the summer. Nobody will take Foster with him being injured. Then there's Brunt and Morrison who they will need to find a buyer for. They're good players so bottom half clubs would be interested. But you can't force them out of the club with them sitting on contracts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ronny boy on April 12, 2015, 11:40:42 AM
TP needs to grow a pair quickly and bring some pace into the side for the remaining games, or we will be sweating it out on the last day of the season. 

Carry on with those plodders on the pitch yesterday and we are in trouble. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 12, 2015, 11:41:36 AM
Quote from: we8seals on April 12, 2015, 08:04:21 AM
Are you tony pull is' agent?

Great comment, adds a lot to the topic thanks for that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 11:43:19 AM
Quote from: ronny boy on April 12, 2015, 11:40:42 AM
TP needs to grow a pair quickly and bring some pace into the side for the remaining games, or we will be sweating it out on the last day of the season. 

Carry on with those plodders on the pitch yesterday and we are in trouble.

What pace do you suggest we unearth?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 11:44:57 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 12, 2015, 11:38:54 AM
It could take 2 or 3 windows to get rid of everybody.

I would bet Mulumbu, McAuley and Olssen would be out of the door in the summer. Nobody will take Foster with him being injured. Then there's Brunt and Morrison who they will need to find a buyer for. They're good players so bottom half clubs would be interested. But you can't force them out of the club with them sitting on contracts.

Then pay them off.  Small price to pay to get tie of troublemakers.   Better value from doing that than spending crazy sums on Anichebe and Ideye.  We'd get £5m combined for Morrison and Brunt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 12, 2015, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on April 12, 2015, 10:23:31 AM
Pulis has done to us fans exactly what AI did. We now have the Pulis apologists, in place of the AI apologists. We seem now to have fans on here who won't hear a bad word about Pulis, when previously we had the AI defenders.
Pulis is more limited than I thought. Ultra negative
, appalling tactics and substitutions, and I want him gone. And don't apologise for that one iota.
And he would do EXACTLY the same thing with a new influx of players.
Ya Ya, I'm waiting for the "oh no, he'll do this and he'll buy that...",
Frigging rubbish. The guy needs to go before we're totally ruined as a club

Pulis is not perfect and I for one am not a Pulis apologist. Out of the options around he was the best. I didn't actually want him, I wanted a strong character like him and the reasons why are becoming more and more evident with each game.

Player power put an end to Mel before he had a chance to start, they had it cushy under Irvine and now they seem unhappy with Pulis given their lack of interest on the pitch. How many more times do we need to see players ambling over to take a throw in or conrer when we're losing at home, barely breaking sweat to take a set piece while the clocks counting down ?

Difference is this time the players will be the ones moving on and Pulis will be here rebuilding the squad. How he does that I have no idea, could be the biggest bag of pooh we have seen in years but it will be full of players prepared to get dirty and win challenges without worrying about getting hurt themselves.

He has to work with what he has and I would say the reason he is not picking others like Pocognoli, Gamboa, Davidson etc is because he doesn't trust them in the run in. Personally I would have Pocognoli in without any hesistation. He said when he came this would be his toughest task, many thought he was covering his back, maybe he was being honest.

I think his biggest fault so far was when he said a few weeks ago big changes were needed to this squad. To me if I was a player that would inspire me to put performances in to try and attract a new club for next season but seems to have had opposite effect on some.

How about we get through the season and then judge next season when it starts ?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 12, 2015, 11:56:34 AM
Anyone who cares to look at any of my posts will know I am not Pulis's biggest fan, I don't like his football and I am under no illusion that it will change with the likely infusion of new players this summer.

However in all fairness to him as with Irvine, Mel and to some extent Clarke  managers need time to work with players and shape the squad (if that makes me an apologist then fine) . However my criticism of all those gentlemen is they have simply tried to shoehorn the squad which they have largely inherited into a fixed formation which is coincidently 4-4-2 rather than looking at the squad's strengths and weaknesses and figuring out how best to deploy the players they have got, in order to win games of football.

When you overlay the strange recruitment and selection decisions that Pulis has made you are left with team that is in the same tactical muddle as it was when Clarke left. That is the managers fault because it does not have to be like that.

In no way does that excuse the players for their individual performances. Regardless of tactics or formations every manager has an absolute right to expect his team to do the basics irrespective of where they playing. During too much of the last two games the players have under performed, as was the case under Irvine, Mel and Clarke all of whom have lost their jobs as a consequence.

Until yesterday I was of the opinion despite my personal reservations about Pulis we desperately needed some consistency and a couple of summers worth of recruiting to a clear plan and if that was Pulisball well so be it. Yesterday started to sow some serious seeds of doubt I really do worry as to what the squad will look like by the time Pulis has finished with it and although the next manager is bound to be more progressive  in outlook (could there be a more negative coach) will the squad they inherit be able to do anything else other than grind out 1:0 wins?

I fear that we are in danger of joining Sunderland in a perpetual fight against relegation constantly chopping and changing managers turning over players but never getting it right. It is dispiriting for fans and ultimately unless we get relegated we will never have the clear out and be stripped down to the basics so we can rebuild properly and get coach tactics and players aligned.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ronny boy on April 12, 2015, 11:56:45 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 11:43:19 AM
What pace do you suggest we unearth?


Do you really need me to spell it out for you? We don't have that many options but we do have a couple. Yesterday we were as pedestrian a side that you'll see, so the introduction of McManaman would of helped. In upcoming games why not pick Gamboa or Poc? That's why I said TP needs to grow a pair and stop picking slow cumbersome defenders.. Its not like its working is it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: ronny boy on April 12, 2015, 11:56:45 AM


Do you really need me to spell it out for you? We don't have that many options but we do have a couple. Yesterday we were as pedestrian a side that you'll see, so the introduction of McManaman would of helped. In upcoming games why not pick Gamboa or Poc? That's why I said TP needs to grow a pair and stop picking slow cumbersome defenders.. Its not like its working is it.

I agree with Poc.

I don't think McManaman would gave been anywhere near match fit to play  a full game of yesterday's importance.

Gamboa?  No idea.  I haven't seen him play since Costa Rica.  Neither Irvine nor Pulis can rate him based on what they see in training.

Letting Varela go was the big mistake
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on April 12, 2015, 12:05:06 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 09:22:01 AM
Why will none of this change with a new influx of players?   You're judging Pulis on what he's able to do with this squad, which is minimal.

Big slow giants at the back can be replaced with big quick giants. 

Hanging on for 1-0 wins?  Right at this moment I'd take that as we aren't managing it.

He can only rearrange the deckchairs at present, although I would like to see Pocognoli and more of Sess, but there's clearly a wider issue with Pocognoli and Sess has done very little when he's had the chance lately, I think mainly because of the shape that we are forced to play through lack of width and pace.

BRILLIANT - the only thing that has amused me in what has been a woeful two weeks  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 12, 2015, 12:08:57 PM
Pulis ruined Astle day with negative tactics. Brining on Olson to defend a 2-1 lead against bottom of the league who are fighting for their lives was disgraceful.

We have the same problems we had under Irvine we lack pace imagination creativity this stems from playing 4 central midfield players. For a while dying his honeymoon period his make shift back 4 looked reasonably solid at home but now it looks farcical.

Pulis not trusting the foreign players is clawing relegation out of a position of survival. We are negative at home and even more negative away. I believe we blew chances of poińs at Burnley Sunderland and villa because of this negativity. We lost the cup game to them also and have wasted our 2 "winnable" home games.

I agree the players are at fault as well for lack of effort, but they don't need to try to guarantee they are in the team! Brunt having a bad game at left back won't see poco come back I to the team (more likely see lescott left back and Olsson come Into centre back) he only uses his 11 and his 3 subs of Olsson sick vic and sessi.

I thought Pulis was the better appointment out of him and Sherwood but his management style and stubbornness leaves me cold. I can't see another win this season. And yes there needs to be a clear out but for me this includes the recruitment staff and all the management team also. Pulis should have been given to the end of the season no more 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on April 12, 2015, 12:05:06 PM
BRILLIANT - the only thing that has amused me in what has been a woeful two weeks  ;D

And I've seen deckchairs with more mobility and more fight!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 12, 2015, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 12:16:19 PM
And I've seen deckchairs with more mobility and more fight!
...and I can remember when they had blue and white stripes. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 12, 2015, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: Lego on April 12, 2015, 10:09:04 AM
His PL record speaks for itself, but I find it terribly depressing that lots of fans have made up their own minds without giving him a proper chance.  We will not get a better manager able to bring much needed stability to this club.


I myself quite like him, I think we've got to grin and bare it this season. His tactics are confusing though, as he has teased us with some great football, then when you get the smile back on your face we revert back to hoof ball. Let's face it Pulis will divide opinion in the short term simply down to his time at Stoke(that's not a dig stokelad84). We became a joke to them and his team and him were hated by a portion of the Albion fans. If he fixes the problems at the club his relationship with the fans will sort itself out, that's the nature of football and supporters.
It should be acceptable to criticise him over certain things though .... doesn't necessarily mean we've given up on him or want him out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on April 12, 2015, 12:34:29 PM
Quote from: Atomic on April 12, 2015, 10:53:38 AM
The players at the club are a bigger problem than manager / chairman / anyone. They have too much power, quite clearly and that cannot ever be healthy. Who cares what they like / want. Get rid of them their voices are too loud and their actions ... via results, far too small. The arrogance of them is quite laughable from the outside, their ability qualifies them for no say in anything whatsoever.

If EVER there was a club that needs a clear out it's West Bromwich Albion ......... NOW!

Completely agree fella - however by Peace's own admission, he's taken his eye of the ball over the last few years regarding player management, scouting etc. IMO our scouting system is pathetic and needs a complete overhaul - we have to much dead wood, happy to to take all the money they can get from the club.........our 'Chief Scout ' (Mervyn Day) has allegedly not visited the Hawthorns/training ground for over 7 months!! Either he is so busy working unearth gems, or he's being paid 150K-200K pa? and completely 'blagging' us?! - I suppose the fruits of his labour will become apparent in due course. We all know what we need - pace amongst other things! Surely he'll have 3-4 (relatively unknown) gems lined up or he just ain't worth his salary in any way shape or form.

I expect Pulis to completely overhaul the team and backroom staff in the close season - we need to go back to basics and get that right before being arrogant enough to carry a load of mercenaries.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on April 12, 2015, 12:52:44 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 08:39:21 AM
Can't blame a player for bring crocked - everyone can pick up a foot injury. 

Maybe we can't attribute any winning of games directly to McManaman, but his presence gave us more width and so changed our shape.

With regard to McManaman why do you stray from the point I was making, which was about the type of player Pulis would be buying if Mr Peace releases funds to him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on April 12, 2015, 01:09:42 PM
I've got nothing against the making yourself hard to beat approach in certain games but why do we have to play like this every single game?

If we were playing against top class teams every week then fair enough but that's not the case.

Two away games now against a very in form Palace (who are beatable) and a desperately poor Newcastle who are already on the beach.  Lets have none of the park the bus mentality or trying to remain in the game for 80 minutes before having a go.  Lets try to win a game from the outset.

Everyone else manages it so why have we got to be different?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on April 12, 2015, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on April 12, 2015, 12:09:46 AM
No it is not illogical, as you call it.
It makes perfect sense.
Same squad. pooh first half of season. Managers fault (AI).
Same squad. Even worse 2nd half of season. Different manager, but now it seems to be the players fault. Yeah, right.
Give me some credit.
Time for Mr Pulis to move on and ruin someone else's club

What a load of nonsense

these are the same players from 2 years ago basically.....nothing has changed, AI was at fault because he was just a terrible manager, great coach and a lovely bloke but plain utter garbage as a manager.

Pulis has come in and these same players still seem to get in......now Pulis isn't blameless at all but this squad needs a major overhaul, we should've done it over the years but instead we got complacement and believed our own hype regarding the model we used...it hasn't worked for years and the players we still play from a few years down the line are nowhere near good enough.

Im angry at Pulis as his subs yesterday were nothing short of shocking, it was obvious we needed some pace and people who could pick up the ball and run with it to take the pressure off us instead he bought another centre half on we resorted to lumping it away.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 12, 2015, 02:00:43 PM
Our results and performances have gotten worse under Pulis. Maybe the players aren't his players but they are the same as those that were available to his predecessor and have added quality in Fletcher.
The decision to release or not play certain players is his and our seemingly lack of options are partly of his making.
The squad we had was/is capable of keeping us up and have shown this on a number of occasions under both coaches this season.
Trying to stop teams from scoring without offering an attacking threat is not going win us any matches between now and the end of the season. Stick players in their natural positions,  push the midfield further up to support the strikers and offer an outlet
and look at bringing some pace (which we do have) into the side.

If we don't play natural pacey fullbacks against Palace be prepared for another high scoreline.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on April 12, 2015, 02:16:38 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on April 12, 2015, 01:14:48 PM
What a load of nonsense

these are the same players from 2 years ago basically.....nothing has changed, AI was at fault because he was just a terrible manager, great coach and a lovely bloke but plain utter garbage as a manager.

Pulis has come in and these same players still seem to get in......now Pulis isn't blameless at all but this squad needs a major overhaul, we should've done it over the years but instead we got complacement and believed our own hype regarding the model we used...it hasn't worked for years and the players we still play from a few years down the line are nowhere near good enough.

Im angry at Pulis as his subs yesterday were nothing short of shocking, it was obvious we needed some pace and people who could pick up the ball and run with it to take the pressure off us instead he bought another centre half on we resorted to lumping it away.


If we let Pulis overhaul the squad it'll just be the same players he uses now plus a load more like that. The only players outside yesterdays starting 11 he isn't loath to use are Olsson, Baird, and sometimes Anichebe which says it all. Forget anyone with talent actually being signed and use. It'll just be a load of 6ft+ players who will do what he wants for vastly inflated prices.

As his time at Stoke showed he also has a penchant for spending a lot of money on players he never, ever gives a chance too. Which we're seeing with Callum McManaman really.

Hopefully we won't bow down to him and will annoy him enogh to walk like Palace did because I would have deep misgivings about letting someone who thinks Chris Baird is good enough to play central midfield in the premier league continue spending any money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 12, 2015, 02:23:28 PM
Pulis will keep us up thats a certainty after that summer clearance from front to back.Some of the defending yesterday was sunday league at best both Mac and Lescott had mares just common sense mistakes how can that be Pulis's fault.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on April 12, 2015, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on April 12, 2015, 02:23:28 PM
Pulis will keep us up thats a certainty after that summer clearance from front to back.Some of the defending yesterday was sunday league at best both Mac and Lescott had mares just common sense mistakes how can that be Pulis's fault.

I what way is it a certainty?? I admit I thought that until couple of weeks ago. But now I can't see us getting another point. We are truly terrible. No certainty we have enough points
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 12, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
Quote from: we8seals on April 12, 2015, 02:39:48 PM
I what way is it a certainty?? I admit I thought that until couple of weeks ago. But now I can't see us getting another point. We are truly terrible. No certainty we have enough points
He has never tasted relegation before its not rocket science is it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on April 12, 2015, 02:55:36 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on April 12, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
He has never tasted relegation before its not rocket science is it?

I had never crashed a car until the first time I did it.

And is staying up the be all and end all - if you are happy watching the utter bilge we are subjected to week after week - even worse away from home - then good luck to you. I'm not and voting with my feet and my wallet
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mrmojorisin on April 12, 2015, 03:01:26 PM
Although Pulis might not be to everyone's taste, he is an effective manager/head coach.

The reason for the parlous state we find ourselves in - and I now fear that whether or not we escape relegation is entirely down to other teams failing - I put squarely on the shoulders of the players for the following reasons:
1.  They show no desire or urgency.  There may be many factors influencing this but I feel that the majority are just going through the motions (literally as well as figuratively!)
2. They are far too many individual errors at both ends of the pitch, but particularly in defence.  Our players are experienced professionals and I am at a loss as to why they make so many crass mistakes, both of judgement and execution.
3.  They are incapable of putting in a full shift.  It is very rare that we see a full 90 minute plus performance.  Too many times they don't seem to wake up for the first half, or switch off in the second half, or other lapses.  How many times have we seen leads slip away or concede in the latter stages.

Whatever you think of Pulis you must agree that he organises defences well - they are well-drilled and structured.  Then ask yourself if you have ever known any other Pulis side concede a total of 7 goals in two consecutive home games - especially against teams who have hardly set the world alight all season.

I rest my case, m'lud.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 12, 2015, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: we8seals on April 12, 2015, 02:55:36 PM
I had never crashed a car until the first time I did it.

And is staying up the be all and end all - if you are happy watching the utter bilge we are subjected to week after week - even worse away from home - then good luck to you. I'm not and voting with my feet and my wallet
No i dont like what I see weekly thats why in my above post I stated SUMMER CLEARANCE it no secret the squad is and was always poor but I am willing to give the gaffer a chance to build something.If after that its the same thing then by all means fire him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on April 12, 2015, 03:10:36 PM
The true test for Pulis is from now until the end of the season. His tried and tested formula is now not working, so does he stick or twist with the players available. I'd like to see him bring in a bit of pace I.e Poco and Gamboa but he has shown he doesn't rate them. If Macca not fit, Sess not really adapting to the 442, what does he do? I'd guess it will be much the same next game and he'll hope the breaks fall our way. It may work if we cut out the errors and his preferred players show some bottle, but I must admit I'm not as confident as I was about staying up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mrmojorisin on April 12, 2015, 03:13:25 PM
The problem is that it is now too late to introduce Poco and Gamboa.  They must be thoroughly inebriated off with being left out, cannot be match fit and know they are on their way out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 12, 2015, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: mrmojorisin on April 12, 2015, 03:01:26 PM
Although Pulis might not be to everyone's taste, he is an effective manager/head coach.

The reason for the parlous state we find ourselves in - and I now fear that whether or not we escape relegation is entirely down to other teams failing - I put squarely on the shoulders of the players for the following reasons:
1.  They show no desire or urgency.  There may be many factors influencing this but I feel that the majority are just going through the motions (literally as well as figuratively!)
2. They are far too many individual errors at both ends of the pitch, but particularly in defence.  Our players are experienced professionals and I am at a loss as to why they make so many crass mistakes, both of judgement and execution.
3.  They are incapable of putting in a full shift.  It is very rare that we see a full 90 minute plus performance.  Too many times they don't seem to wake up for the first half, or switch off in the second half, or other lapses.  How many times have we seen leads slip away or concede in the latter stages.

Whatever you think of Pulis you must agree that he organises defences well - they are well-drilled and structured.  Then ask yourself if you have ever known any other Pulis side concede a total of 7 goals in two consecutive home games - especially against teams who have hardly set the world alight all season.

I rest my case, m'lud.
Thank you sir how can seasoned pro like our center halves poor mistakes be blamed on the manager ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 12, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
The players aren't good enough that's clear. Their mental strength, concentration levels, decision making and consistency is overall just above Champ level but below prem level. Peace can see this hence him wanting to sell before the next owner has to seriously invest to improve this squad. I don't blame Pulis for the squad problems but his decision making yesterday was poor, his team selections becoming a bit odd . This probably shows he lacks faith in our strikers and midfield.

He's going to have to go back to basics and somehow reinstill the urgency and organisation we had for a spell in Jan and Feb.

If we manage to stay up, then I'm interested to see what he could build given some financial support. Most of Stokes current team were his signings and Palace have benefitted from his spell there.

Personally, I'll begin to properly assess him in the summer rather than game by game. A few games ago he looks to have found a formula with these players however like others before him, he probably realises now these players just aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on April 12, 2015, 03:22:47 PM
Quote from: mrmojorisin on April 12, 2015, 03:13:25 PM
The problem is that it is now too late to introduce Poco and Gamboa.  They must be thoroughly inebriated off with being left out, cannot be match fit and know they are on their way out.

Fair point although a professional footballer should be fit enough to play, Poco has been making the bench so would presume he's ready. In terms of attitude maybe they have a point to prove or looking to impress other clubs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 12, 2015, 04:36:57 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on April 12, 2015, 03:21:52 PM
Thank you sir how can seasoned pro like our center halves poor mistakes be blamed on the manager ?
Seasoned pros make mistakes when they are under pressure.  Our defense is under constant pressure because we defend too deep and do not have an outlet to relieve that pressure. These are our coaches instructions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on April 12, 2015, 04:45:21 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 12, 2015, 04:36:57 PM
Seasoned pros make mistakes when they are under pressure.  Our defense is under constant pressure because we defend too deep and do not have an outlet to relieve that pressure. These are our coaches instructions.

Just posted similar - wish I had phrased it this way
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ronny boy on April 12, 2015, 04:58:43 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 12:01:42 PM
I agree with Poc.

I don't think McManaman would gave been anywhere near match fit to play  a full game of yesterday's importance.

Gamboa?  No idea.  I haven't seen him play since Costa Rica.  Neither Irvine nor Pulis can rate him based on what they see in training.

Letting Varela go was the big mistake


I think the majority of us fans would have Poc in at LB.

McManaman is coming back from injury and 15-20mins game time yesterday would of been great for his recovery, plus we had 1 sub left if he did have a reaction.

Gamboa's a mystery, maybe he's just not settling in England... plus he's not tall enough for set pieces!

I would give Wisdom another chance and move Dawson to CB. It looks to me that both Gmac and Lescott's legs have gone and there's no coming back from that. I'd drop either or both of them and partner Dawson with Ollson or Lescott.

There's got to be more to Varella than meets the eye. Lazy? Disruptive? Unsettled?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: ronny boy on April 12, 2015, 04:58:43 PM


I think the majority of us fans would have Poc in at LB.

McManaman is coming back from injury and 15-20mins game time yesterday would of been great for his recovery, plus we had 1 sub left if he did have a reaction.

Gamboa's a mystery, maybe he's just not settling in England... plus he's not tall enough for set pieces!

I would give Wisdom another chance and move Dawson to CB. It looks to me that both Gmac and Lescott's legs have gone and there's no coming back from that. I'd drop either or both of them and partner Dawson with Ollson or Lescott.

There's got to be more to Varella than meets the eye. Lazy? Disruptive? Unsettled?

I agree with all of that except Ollson.  I think his legs already went about 2 years ago
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ronny boy on April 12, 2015, 05:10:44 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 05:05:00 PM
I agree with all of that except Ollson.  I think his legs already went about 2 years ago


Watching the 3 of them yesterday was as though they were running through water
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pointergeorge on April 12, 2015, 08:05:37 PM
Lescott is a snail.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on April 12, 2015, 08:20:22 PM
IMHO, TP has no confidence, trust or belief in these players, probably with the exception of Fletcher.

I think that's why he sets tactics as simply as possible for them, no expansive play, just tight, compact, good defensive shape, two banks of four all to contain the opposition.

It isn't working at the moment as some of the players are ageing and running out of steam at this time of the season and we don't have players to step up to do what TP wants.

So, we have to rely on them and so does TP until the end of the season and hope they can keep us up.

TP doesn't trust them and I think that is something fans may have in common with him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on April 12, 2015, 08:45:35 PM
I went up yesterday from sunny Kernow for what I hoped would be a memorable day but I left with bitter feeling and an understanding of why some are struggling to feel the same affinity for the club that they used to.

I go up because I love the club and win, lose or draw I genuinely enjoy it, usually. I haven't seen us win since 2005 but the last few times I've been, most the players have shown no passion or fight whatsoever. Yesterday we looked like a team of 11 people who had never met each other, had no competitive spirit and no self-belief.

I genuinely think that performance was like ones we saw under Buckley, useless long balls, hopeful yet aimless punts down the line and hoofs up to the target man that we don't have. What happened to that great football we saw v West Ham and Swansea?

Was it Pulis? The players? I think both. Pulis was far too negative and we sat on 2-2 with 10 mins to go in our last winnable game and that was a huge mistake. We messed up big time yesterday by not going for a third at 2-1 and 2-2. It was far too negative and that was Pulis' fault.

BUT, and it's a big but, those players were horrendous yesterday. They need to go back to basics and when I say basics I mean learning how to kick and control the ball. It was embarrassing. I've seen my girlfriend kick a ball with more conviction than those lot.

I was disgusted yesterday and I still have a feeling of not wanting to go back for a long time. Not until I see those players AND the manager doing the basics well. If we're going to play defensively that's great and I don't mind, but defensively whilst conceding SEVEN against the bottom two is torture.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on April 12, 2015, 08:49:21 PM
Quote from: pointergeorge on April 12, 2015, 08:05:37 PM
Lescott is a snail.

Regardless of his pace Lescott has been our best players this season alongside and just as important as Berahinio. A natural leader with bags of experience granted he hasn't been his usual self the past couple of weeks but for me I don't see why you've made this observation because he has never been one who's had bags of pace not even in his younger days. I'm pleasently shocked we managed to attract him in the summer (like wise Fletcher in the January transfer window) he is a player we should enjoy seeing in the famous stripes while he is here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on April 12, 2015, 08:56:27 PM
Quote from: pointergeorge on April 12, 2015, 08:05:37 PM
Lescott is a snail.

Very good. Your comment is 'sluggish' and soft - lacking a hard exterior. If this is the 'trail' you intend to leave - maybe you should escargot!  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 10:22:39 PM
Saw a comment today that Brown Ideye was so bad yesterday he didn't look capable of even controlling his own bladder

Made me laugh anyway
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 12, 2015, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on April 12, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
He has never tasted relegation before its not rocket science is it?

What a bizarre answer. There's a first time for everything.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on April 12, 2015, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from Alex Neil
"If it means throwing cautionto the wind and going for it and it costs us, well I would rather do that than play defensively and try to see out the draw, which over the piece probably wont be good enough"
Now I know it is a different situation etc etc, but why cant we have a manager with an attitude like that? And how happy must Graham Dorrans be playing for a manager with an attitude like that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2015, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: timdon on April 12, 2015, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from Alex Neil
"If it means throwing cautionto the wind and going for it and it costs us, well I would rather do that than play defensively and try to see out the draw, which over the piece probably wont be good enough"
Now I know it is a different situation etc etc, but why cant we have a manager with an attitude like that? And how happy must Graham Dorrans be playing for a manager with an attitude like that?

It is indeed a totally different situation.   Norwich's worst case scenario is missing out on promotion.  Ours is dropping out of the megabucks league.   I'd say ours carries a much higher fear of failure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zac on April 12, 2015, 11:01:09 PM
He may keep us up but i'm completely bored of watching us play under him. I think he deserves lots of praise for making us stronger after he initially joined but the football in the last 2 games in my opinion, is worse than anything we saw under Irvine. Bored bored bored!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on April 13, 2015, 12:04:59 AM
We'll surely get a point off Newcastle. Cant see us getting anything else. 34 will keep us up. Just.
rubbish, bored, negative...fill in the blanks.
The tide has turned on Pulis.
Time for another ( how many more ) new start in June.
The "Job Vacancy" sign needs to go up on the managers door in June.
We need new direction.
There's everything to admire in Alex Neils attitude. It highlights the totally barren, ineptness of the outlook of our current manager.
It doesn't matter what level of football you play it. Its all about attitude, ambition and hunger. Pulis is embarrassingly limited in many respects.
To be perfectly honest, I would take relegation now, if it meant a new broom, and attitude through the whole club.
My fear is we will, as predicted above,  scrape home, new signings will be brought in by Mr P, and we will have the same ould sh*te all over again next season.
Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 13, 2015, 12:36:39 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on April 13, 2015, 12:04:59 AM
We'll surely get a point off Newcastle. Cant see us getting anything else. 34 will keep us up. Just.
rubbish, bored, negative...fill in the blanks.
The tide has turned on Pulis.
Time for another ( how many more ) new start in June.
The "Job Vacancy" sign needs to go up on the managers door in June.
We need new direction.
There's everything to admire in Alex Neils attitude. It highlights the totally barren, ineptness of the outlook of our current manager.
It doesn't matter what level of football you play it. Its all about attitude, ambition and hunger. Pulis is embarrassingly limited in many respects.
To be perfectly honest, I would take relegation now, if it meant a new broom, and attitude through the whole club.
My fear is we will, as predicted above,  scrape home, new signings will be brought in by Mr P, and we will have the same ould sh*te all over again next season.
Jesus wept.
you would take relegation now,wow bet if you owned this club you would never say that give the man a chance to bring in his own then judge Him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on April 13, 2015, 12:46:30 AM
Maybe we are just rubbish and occasionally win enough games to stay up. Since we finished 8th its been bad and we got rid of our better attacking players and didn't replace them. We had Lukaku, Wingie and Long. We now have Ideye and Anichebe and Saido. Roy was the high watermark for sure (although I remember people not liking his tactics either).
The football was rubbish under Irvine and Clarke at the end of his reign too. Irvine tried to play on the ground but it was slow and one paced. Did everyone forget Stoke away, Hull away or even Leicester away? We had 1 shot that hit Cambiasso and he scored an own goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 13, 2015, 01:25:43 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 12, 2015, 04:36:57 PM
Seasoned pros make mistakes when they are under pressure.  Our defense is under constant pressure because we defend too deep and do not have an outlet to relieve that pressure. These are our coaches instructions.

I was going to mention this myself. Shouldn't Pulis realise by now that this crop of players find it difficult or impossible at times to defend a point or 3 points so surely he should change his tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on April 13, 2015, 01:38:43 AM
There's no easy fix. Albion are just a poor team with a negative mentality. I've been going up since 1994 and it's rarely been any different. Lose to teams we should beat easily and occasionally have surprise wins against teams we should be being beaten by.

And do you know how we beat the top teams? By running at them and attacking them. We know it, the players know it, the opposition know it. Why doesn't the manager know it? Use this same mentality against the lesser teams and watch the goals fly in. But no, let's go defensive and play for a 1-0 after seven minutes.

The only difference under TP is that we have no vision, no threat and no chance of playing positive football. When he first arrived I thought we were going to get progressive, forward football. But instead, he's focused on the defence too much and turned us into a Stoke team full of biguns who have no pace or skill. He clearly works more on defence in training than any other aspect. Against Leicester, no one had any passes on, no one knew what to do. So they kept passing backwards. It happened time and time again. What happened for their third goal? McAuley went to go backwards instead of playing the ball forward and we got punished.

We keep hoping for changes, new personnel, better substitutions, a better kit...well I don't think it's going to happen. It's not the West Brom way. As JP said a while back, we're an overachieving mid-Championship team.

I don't want Albion to go down, but I won't pay to watch games like yesterday. I find football much more enjoyable when I go to watch games as a neutral, so that's what I shall be doing from now on. I'm not un-supporting Albion, I'm just choosing not to spend any more money on them, only to get upset and wound up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on April 13, 2015, 09:23:16 AM
Got to be honest and hold my hands up and say that I was pro Pulis when he was appointed. But after the last two games I am very much changing my mind......

We have been a complete embarrassment over the past two games; they are like 11 players who don't know each other. We were constantly sitting too deep and inviting them on, and my neck hurts watching the ball in the air. I don't see the point of critising either striker because they are not getting any service. Thread a ball through the defensive line and they will run onto it - simples. As soon as you put the ball high in the air it immediately becomes 50/50. I just wish they would keep it on the ground.

The passing was shocking by all concerned, and earlier in the season I didn't think we had such a bad defence. Its almost as though they have been de skilled. I am not going to critisice any player over the past two games as they were all bad. I think I saw one piece of decent football from the mid field on Saturday in ther first half that led to a promising break down the left wing, and I think that this was more luck than judgement. Something is very wrong down there.

Fair play to both QPR and Leicester, they both played well and wanted it more.......... its as though all we had to do was turn up and the points were a formality.

I think we will survive, but only just...... and thats not good enough.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 13, 2015, 10:10:27 AM
Quote from: AlbionFan on April 12, 2015, 08:20:22 PM
IMHO, TP has no confidence, trust or belief in these players, probably with the exception of Fletcher.

I think that's why he sets tactics as simply as possible for them, no expansive play, just tight, compact, good defensive shape, two banks of four all to contain the opposition.

It isn't working at the moment as some of the players are ageing and running out of steam at this time of the season and we don't have players to step up to do what TP wants.

So, we have to rely on them and so does TP until the end of the season and hope they can keep us up.

TP doesn't trust them and I think that is something fans may have in common with him

That's how I see it too. The only 3 players who I think he trusts are Fletcher, Dawson and Morrison.

Lescott and McAuley were reliable but now it looks like they have dropped down a level. Berahino is the star player, but it seems like it's a flip of a coin whether he is interested or not. Ideye had a golden spell and looked like a £5million striker, but since then he's looked a Championship player. Big Vic should be a monster on the pitch but he get's injured putting on his boots. A lot of you want Gamboa to play, but the U-21s form dipped when he started playing for them. If he can't make an impact in against a group of kids he's got no chance in the hardest league in the world.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 13, 2015, 10:13:07 AM
What happens if we lose the next 6 and stay up? Can a manager who loses the last 9 games of a season seriously keep his job?
Peace must also be very nervous now, because, if rumours are true, he has set a lot of stall against Pulis being the man to take the club forward, not just under his regime but also the next.
Worrying times for all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 13, 2015, 10:19:06 AM
Hows training going this morning
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebuckster on April 13, 2015, 10:21:29 AM
At some stage you start to question the reason for going to watch the Albion. I have taken my 7 year old up for the last two seasons and he has already seen 4 management teams (5 if you include the interim period with Downing and Kiely). He is fanatical about football and a bright kid and has already commented on the fact that we have very little to aspire to. He told me on Saturday that he isn't too bothered if we go down because at least we will be more competitive in the Championship and he would prefer that than having to watch us fight relegation year on year.

I appreciate that the Premiership is the place to be but at what cost? Personally I couldn't give a toss about the extra money - we still won't have any ambition other than a mid table finish. I am not convinced we would even take the cup seriously either based on the evidence of the last few years. In the past I would have said that it is great to see the top players coming to the Hawthorns but to be honest there are very few sides that I care about seeing nowadays. Most of them are cynical, cheating spoilt brats who we just roll over for. I just want to see us get in their faces, have a go at them and see them panic. If we lose then fine -so be it. However under Pulis we will see a team devoid of ambition, trying to strangle the life out the game and hope for a decent set piece or lucky break. Who wants to watch that? - that is not what football should be about. I know they don't give a toss about the supporters now but what is this approach going to do for kids like mine? How many kids want to watch their side struggle to get out of their own half against the side that is bottom of the league? It was a disgrace on Saturday - Pulis can blame Saido if he wants but that is papering over the cracks of a ridiculous approach to the second half. We showed sod all ambition and got what we deserved - if that is going to be our approach in future then I expect a serious backlash from the supporters at some stage. I don't expect us to be ripping sides apart but I do expect us to at least attempt to win a game rather than spend all game trying not to lose it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 13, 2015, 10:24:46 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on April 13, 2015, 12:04:59 AM
We'll surely get a point off Newcastle. Cant see us getting anything else. 34 will keep us up. Just.
rubbish, bored, negative...fill in the blanks.
The tide has turned on Pulis.
Time for another ( how many more ) new start in June.
The "Job Vacancy" sign needs to go up on the managers door in June.
We need new direction.
There's everything to admire in Alex Neils attitude. It highlights the totally barren, ineptness of the outlook of our current manager.
It doesn't matter what level of football you play it. Its all about attitude, ambition and hunger. Pulis is embarrassingly limited in many respects.
To be perfectly honest, I would take relegation now, if it meant a new broom, and attitude through the whole club.
My fear is we will, as predicted above,  scrape home, new signings will be brought in by Mr P, and we will have the same ould sh*te all over again next season.
Jesus wept.

So you are advocating another search for a coach which in turn means the bloke has to spend time evaluating this squad so some of them will no doubt then be rewarded for another poor season with new contracts making it harder to get rid of them and then also means we will have another untried, untested man in charge so the players can relax and take it easy again with no threat to their places ?

Alex Neil can make comments like that as Norwich are a big fish in that pond and should be there or thereabouts anyhow, lets see how things change if they come up and his attitude to the game sees his club getting tanked week in week out as they get picked off by other clubs.

The comment you made - Its all about attitude, ambition and hunger. Can someone pass that on to the players as its everything they are lacking and thats got bugger all to do with Pulis, thats something a player earning vast amounts per week should have automatically.

Pulis is not ideal but he is what has been needed at this club for a while to unsettle the comfy attitude. If he can get the club on a solid foundation again and then move on for someone with a bit of tactical nous then its job done. If you expected him to come in and play Brazilian football then sorry but you were researching a different Tony Pulis. Was never going to be pretty and never anything different to this.

And no I am not a Pulis apologist, not a Pulis fan, not a fan of Pulis football just someone who sees this squad needs a massive kick up the backside and has got away with "just enough" for too long. I'd love nothing more than Pulis to step aside for someone else to take us further but that is not going to happen within a couple of months. The squad have seen off a number of coaches now and the recruitment bring in more of the same to warm the bench and pick up a few quid every week for their efforts on the training pitch without ever really looking likely to make a mark in the side. The whole thing needs change and its not going to be nice while the change happens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 13, 2015, 11:17:33 AM
Anyone who thought we weren't going to play like Stoke did under Pulis were kidding themselves, that is what we will become. I can accept that Pulis was the best candidate for this job and our best chance of keeping us in the division this year and next year but I won't enjoy it and that second half against Leicester was a joke just like our away tactics in which we play like we're a League Two team visiting the big Premier League teams. Saying that we have one of the worst squads in the league so needs must I guess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 13, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
“But Pulis is adaptable, he develops tactics based on the players he has available..” does he b******.  Sooner he is gone the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: palfsattic on April 13, 2015, 12:30:51 PM

PULIS OUT!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 13, 2015, 12:40:31 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 13, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
“But Pulis is adaptable, he develops tactics based on the players he has available..” does he ********.  Sooner he is gone the better.

Pulis only knows how to play one way. He's a spoiler. I'm in two minds if I can justify committing good money for a season ticket next year based on what I've seen so far from him.
Two decent performances against mid table teams and the rest of the dross served up in the other games needs questioning.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 13, 2015, 01:04:12 PM
So far if my calculations are correct Pulis has managed to get us 16 points from 13 league games.

Irvine managed 17 points from 19 games.

By the time the season has ended I can see Pulis only out pointing Irvine by 3 possibly 4 points max, having managed the same number of league games.  Hardly the renaissance man he was billed as.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 13, 2015, 01:25:15 PM
Scroll back a few pages.

I told you so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on April 13, 2015, 01:32:23 PM
When Pepe Mel came in an tried attacking football and gung ho approach the players didnt like it and we were too open at the back! You can't win.
The players said they liked Irvine and Clarke and we were rubbish and didnt like Mel and Pulis and we are rubbish. So whats the answer? I would take players opinions with a pinch of salt. I don't care if they like the manager or not, will they play for him? Time will tell. At the moment the jury is out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on April 13, 2015, 01:52:47 PM
I like Pulis as a bloke and think he is a good manager with the right club, however at the moment i dont think we are the right club for him, and vice versa and thats been my doubt from day one.

If i was Pulis i would consider my future at the end of the season anyway, if we stay up we will be going into our 6th premiership season, whether we admit it or not, it does mean we do expect a certain standard of play, and if away games this season plus recent home ones are anything to go by we are not going to get that which means fans will turn on him as they are already doing.

Pulis would be best going to a club like QPR or drop down and go to a Leeds or someone like that, a big project where he could rebuild top to bottom like he did at Stoke (and did it brilliantly) at the Albion although we do need some sort of rebuilding i just am not sure Pulis's way is the way forward for us. The reality is in his Premiership managerial career, we are playing the way his Stoke side used too (just not as good) rather than the way his Palace side did and my personal opinion i think he will try the Stoke approach with us going forward more than the Palace.

I expect if he does stay us to have a squad full of players like Glenn Whelan, Jon Walters, Dean Whitehead, etc, etc (not those actual players) but players like that, good steady players, 100% effort and commitment but not a great deal of skill and flair, i know you need a mix of the two but football wise Stoke do seem to of built on the foundations Pulis left and kicked on under Mark Hughes, i think if we would come into our 6th successive season in the Prem, we would expect some sort of entertainment value.

What concerns me is if Pulis does stay and does go the route i expect him too (and i would love to be proven wrong and he goes a different approach) i cannot see him being here past the end of next season anyway, so we will more than likely end up with a certain type of player going back to the Megson / Robson days and whoever comes in after will have to revamp again.

I think we will just about stay up but if i was both parties at the end of the season i would walk away as i just dont think we are suited.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on April 13, 2015, 01:57:57 PM
The whole thing is just so draining at the moment, not just Pulis but Albion in general and arguably to a wider extent the PL and football as a whole.

On Pulis, I wouldn't describe myself as 'anti Pulis' as I would love him to make me eat my words but I'm genuinely amazed that anyone could of predicted anything other than exactly what we have seen so far. I'd go as far as to say that of every manager in the PL this season Pulis is by far the most predictable and easy to read.

His defensive record or famed organisational skills are overrated in my opinion. It's relatively easy to keep occasional clean sheets when your sole tactic is to time waste and put every man behind the ball. A good defensive coach is someone like Koeman this season who has a fantastic defensive record and who teams score goals. He can set a side up to keep clean sheets with 2 attacking full backs and an exciting midfield. Pulis can only do it with 4+ centre backs, 4 hard working defensive midfielders who never go forward and a CF dropping in to midfield.

Of course Pulis deserves time to re build in the summer, of course he should get to re shape the squad and he shouldn't be judged until then. But the only problem with that is that I can tell you now with 99% accuracy exactly what we will end up with next season which is exactly what we have seen so far.

I could go on and on about this but it's to depressing. What I would add is that people who think he's some sort of managerial genius will need to re consider their views of him. I've seen people say any manager in the world would struggle to get anything out of this squad which is rubbish. Sean Dyche is getting more out of a Burnley squad 1/10th as talented as ours. Other managers would not be playing Brunt, Lescott and Baird ahead of Pocognoli. They wouldn't be playing a midfield 4 of Gardner, Yacob, Fletcher and Morrison. They wouldnt be setting their teams up in the same cowardly way we do week in week out.

Now not all of this blame lies with Pulis. Something clearly needs changing from player recruitment down. The problems Pulis is having could be applied to any manager here since Clarke. The difference is Clarke was an untried assistant, Mel never stood a chance for various reasons and Irvine was a failed league 1 manager but yet although Pulis is some sort of managerial messiah to some he hasn't done anything any more impressive than any of these guys yet, and has been a lot worse in other areas. Pulis needs to take his fair share of the blame for the absolute rubbish he has served up so far and it is not because he has no other options other than to play that way.

I'm fed up of the whole thing and for the first time in my life I'm starting to look for excuses to stop me going to the Arsenal game. Pulis is 90% of the reason for that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on April 13, 2015, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 13, 2015, 01:04:12 PM
So far if my calculations are correct Pulis has managed to get us 16 points from 13 league games.

Irvine managed 17 points from 19 games.

By the time the season has ended I can see Pulis only out pointing Irvine by 3 possibly 4 points max, having managed the same number of league games.  Hardly the renaissance man he was billed as.

Irvine got his own squad together. Pulis hasn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 13, 2015, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on April 13, 2015, 02:05:49 PM
Irvine got his own squad together. Pulis hasn't.
Despite the whole point in the basic system being that Irvine had very little input to the playing staff for the sake of continuity (he was selected as he fit the system rather than what Pulis has now)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on April 13, 2015, 02:11:31 PM
What is this free flowing football we expect to see? Under Atkinson we played it (70's) and under Mowbray and then for a while under Di Matteo. Roy and Steve Clarke weren't always long punts but you wouldn't call it expansive. We had 1 and a half seasons under Roy and half a season under Clarke. Other than that every other season we have struggled in the prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 13, 2015, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on April 13, 2015, 02:11:31 PM
What is this free flowing football we expect to see? Under Atkinson we played it (70's) and under Mowbray and then for a while under Di Matteo. Roy and Steve Clarke weren't always long punts but you wouldn't call it expansive. We had 1 and a half seasons under Roy and half a season under Clarke. Other than that every other season we have struggled in the prem.


Well said.

The golden Atkinson era was 37-38 years ago!   Mowbray's nice football got us promoted to the Premiership but it took us straight back down.

There are far too many rose-tinted spectacles out there. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 13, 2015, 02:24:38 PM
I don't think we're asking for expansive, tippy tappy football, but it'd be nice if we had some pace in the team that could counter attack.

I don't mind us sitting back if we can hurt teams when we turn the ball over. But when was the last time we tried to play a ball for Berahino or Ideye to run onto? We sit back and then hoof it forward looking for Ideye to win it in the air, which he doesn't do that often.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 13, 2015, 02:25:06 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on April 13, 2015, 01:57:57 PM

I could go on and on about this but it's to depressing. What I would add is that people who think he's some sort of managerial genius will need to re consider their views of him. I've seen people say any manager in the world would struggle to get anything out of this squad which is rubbish. Sean Dyche is getting more out of a Burnley squad 1/10th as talented as ours. Other managers would not be playing Brunt, Lescott and Baird ahead of Pocognoli. They wouldn't be playing a midfield 4 of Gardner, Yacob, Fletcher and Morrison. They wouldnt be setting their teams up in the same cowardly way we do week in week out.



The difference is that is Dyche's squad. 90% of the players were brought in by him and they have had continuity. That team had a great season in the Championship which has given Dyche a lot of brownie points in the bag.

Harry Redknapp was on Goals on Sunday and he said even Mourinho wouldn't do as good as Dyche with that Burnley squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 13, 2015, 02:32:23 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on April 13, 2015, 02:05:49 PM
Irvine got his own squad together. Pulis hasn't.

Get real.  Is there one player who was signed solely and purely by AI in the summer?

Bet he would have loved to be given £4mill to spend on a player who wasn't even on the clubs 'radar' like Pulis was with McMananman
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on April 13, 2015, 02:34:43 PM
Joleon Lescott maybe  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 13, 2015, 02:36:22 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on April 13, 2015, 02:11:31 PM
What is this free flowing football we expect to see? Under Atkinson we played it (70's) and under Mowbray and then for a while under Di Matteo. Roy and Steve Clarke weren't always long punts but you wouldn't call it expansive. We had 1 and a half seasons under Roy and half a season under Clarke. Other than that every other season we have struggled in the prem.
Don't think anyone is asking for Brazilian flair, but a bit of passing and movement is not too much to expect surely?
We did it against West Ham and our forwards looked like world beaters, then we reverted back to defending deep and lumping it forward and they look like cart horses.
The days of free flowing football at our end of the Premier League are long gone (at least until the bubble bursts), but it doesn't have to be as attritional as we are seeing now, especially against teams at the bottom. Just play a slightly higher line to take pressure off the defence and get the ball on the deck to give the forwards a chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on April 13, 2015, 02:37:30 PM
Come out in the paper hes annoyed with brunt, G-Mac and Brown for doing lose passes, playing out of position etc.


So why play them then? 7 goals in 2 matches speaks volumes it aint working
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 13, 2015, 02:39:18 PM
Quote from: Tipton Baggie on April 13, 2015, 02:37:30 PM
Come out in the paper hes annoyed with brunt, G-Mac and Brown for doing lose passes, playing out of position etc.


So why play them then? 7 goals in 2 matches speaks volumes it aint working

Which paper? Got a link?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on April 13, 2015, 02:41:37 PM
Quote from: MarkW on April 13, 2015, 02:39:18 PM
Which paper? Got a link?

Express & star. No link as I read it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 13, 2015, 02:42:03 PM
Quote from: MarkW on April 13, 2015, 02:24:38 PM
I don't think we're asking for expansive, tippy tappy football, but it'd be nice if we had some pace in the team that could counter attack.I don't mind us sitting back if we can hurt teams when we turn the ball over. But when was the last time we tried to play a ball for Berahino or Ideye to run onto? We sit back and then hoof it forward looking for Ideye to win it in the air, which he doesn't do that often.



agree, just like palace who have a lesser budget to us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on April 13, 2015, 02:42:23 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on April 13, 2015, 02:11:31 PM
What is this free flowing football we expect to see? Under Atkinson we played it (70's) and under Mowbray and then for a while under Di Matteo. Roy and Steve Clarke weren't always long punts but you wouldn't call it expansive. We had 1 and a half seasons under Roy and half a season under Clarke. Other than that every other season we have struggled in the prem.

We played perfectly fine under Hodgson and Clarke (for a while anyway) though, I don't see why that's beyond our means.

Sure under Hodgson we'd have the occasional extremely dull 0-0 for example or we'd line up defensively for the odd game, but he also set us up to have a genuine attacking threat that was good to watch a lot of the time. He also set us up to actually win away games. I'd be delighted if we could have seasons like that, the 5-1 win against Wolves, the 3-2 at Newcastle, the 1-0 to Chelsea (where we had >20 shots), the 4-0 against Sunderland... All excellent performances. Most people would be happy with that. It was cautious at times but we carried an attacking threat. In the past 2 seasons i'm struggling to think of a win that was actually memorable.

Yet under Pulis we've yet to take the lead once away from home. Indeed under Pulis we've played 5 away games, scored 3, and every single one has been from a set piece. This isn't unusual for him either, his record at Stoke was consistently appalling. Aside from his regular win at the Hawthorns they would win one, maybe two other away games a season.

My biggest concern is if we go down he'll be kept on as some sort of promotion expert but Pulis ball is rarely effective in getting promotion. Stoke went up in second with 79 points, a total that basically never wins automatic. His style "works" by getting enough points to stay up because he drags teams down  to his level and over 38 games will more often than not will scrape 38-45 points out of it. That  will be unlikely to work in the championship where we'll drop too many points and teams will be happy to face his ultra negative tactics.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 13, 2015, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on April 13, 2015, 02:11:31 PM
What is this free flowing football we expect to see? Under Atkinson we played it (70's) and under Mowbray and then for a while under Di Matteo. Roy and Steve Clarke weren't always long punts but you wouldn't call it expansive. We had 1 and a half seasons under Roy and half a season under Clarke. Other than that every other season we have struggled in the prem.

Garbage, I hate the way people think its either Utopian tippy tap which will eventually be unsuccessful or this archaic rubbish which is the best a club 'our size' can hope for.

Surely there is a balance, surely we should strive for something slightly more entertaining than the negative dross that is being served up at the moment, the examples are out there in abundance.   Why shouldn't we have a go at teams, why shouldn't we play with a smithereen of intent?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 13, 2015, 03:05:59 PM
This might not be a popular opinion however I think if Pulis keeps us up, then he will be given his own budget and will be allowed to bring in his own players, and we will improve vastly because of it.

As others have stated, Irvine didn't have much control over transfers, and like last season the transfer policy is/was a failure. With Pulis however, he will get to buy his own players which should hopefully improve us. I know his transfer history is mixed (some good, some bad), but ultimately I think it's far better than our current system which clearly isn't working. If he can bring in 5 players or so and weed out the likes of Brunt, Olsson etc then I think overall we will improve.

Regarding his ugly football, I think that is here to stay however.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 13, 2015, 03:13:19 PM
I enjoyed the West Ham , Saints , Swansea and Stoke games and we played some good attacking football.Quite why we have started long ball at home the last two games I don't know , I know Pulis makes a few mistakes but at some point you have to look at this squad and see them letting another manager/HC down . We have a mixture of past it (Ollson / Gmac as much as I like them) , inconsistent ( Sess / Yacob / Anichebe / Morrison ) and a load of signings nowhere near the first team . To add to that we have three senior strikers , three....shocking for a top flight club .
This club has been poorly ran by a number of people for a few years now probably going back to Anelka signing /Mcdonough getting involved. As I said when Pulis took over there is no magic wand , question is how do you get a perormance out of this lot when they know it's likely they will be replaced. Not pretty but I hope we limp over the line and move on the 'just enough club'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on April 13, 2015, 03:43:27 PM
Pulis made some seriously bad decisions on Saturday.  My faith and confidence in him as an experienced and pragmatic manager have been knocked.

No genuine full-back or wide midfielders left us very narrow.  Switching to 5 at the back just invited Leicester to attack us.  Not changing again when it wasn't working was a big mistake.  (He obviously thinks Lescott at left back is a good idea - so he could have gone back to 4-4-2 and move Brunt forward.)

I also have to attribute the lack of attacking intent to Pulis' mentality.  That would be 'OK' if we could defend.  I think we've been found out - throw some fast attackers at us that the chances will make themselves.

In making these criticisms of Pulis its worth noting that the squad has no pace, power, width, heart or brains.  I can't put much of the blame for this in Pulis' court.  They have now proven themselves totally untrustworthy - conceeding 7 goals at home to the bottom 2 teams in the league!

Myhill hasn't made a (proper) save in the last 2 games.

I cannot justify Pulis' lack of faith in our fullbacks, especially Poco.  McAuley has made mistakes leading to goals in 3 consecutive games.  Olsson looks like an accident waiting to happen.  All cannot deal with pace.  Pulis has to come up with a solution quickly.

In midfield we're back to playing 4 similar central midfield players.  All pace and vision is in Morrison - out on the left.  Gardner is just not good enough IMO. 

No effective forwards (going by Saturdays evidence).

I also think that 4-2-3-1 is still by far the best use of our resources, but that doesn't seem to be on the agenda.

Pulis needs to show us what he can do to squeeze something out of the squad.  I'm not interested in this group of players any more.  I know they won't all be replaced (changes will be prioritised) but I don't care about any of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on April 13, 2015, 03:50:00 PM
We cant play like palace we havent got any pacey players in our team. I would go for albrighton of leicester go down and we stay up. Suprised we didnt go for him after he left the villers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on April 13, 2015, 04:15:20 PM
Again

Varela
Sessegnon
Blanco
Samaras


We have/had pacey/creative/attacking players in our side and Pulis doesn't want to or didn't want to use them. You can also chuck Brown in there who he tried to get rid of of.

Yes there's arguments about all those players and how well they fit long term but as his defenders keep on telling me he can only work with what he's got as staying up is his only brief this season and rebuilding can wait until the summer. So if that's the case he should have worked with what was at his disposal even if it was only a short term fix as our squad/team is significantly stronger with those above in it.

You cant tell me Pulis doesn't have the players to play any way other than this dross when he made the decisions he did in January. Lets not forget he got rid or marginalised all those players and tried to bring in Carlton Cole. That tells you everything about his approach.

We clearly need a natural full back - Pocognoli cant get near the pitch

We need pace out wide - Varela gone instantly

We need creativity - Sessegnon marginalised and Blanco gone

We need a ball carrier in midfield - Mulumbu cant get a game

He also had a month to bring in players he needed but we got a failed bid for Cole and the less said about Mcmanaman the better at the moment.

If it was true that Pulis could only work with what he had then we would be absolutely fine, but he chose to get rid of those players.

I know some will disagree but to me it's also no coincidence all those players from all those different countries cant get a game whilst good old British players (who I have no problem with) are shoe horned in to the side any way possible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yamaka on April 13, 2015, 04:24:58 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on April 13, 2015, 04:15:20 PM
Again

Varela
Sessegnon
Blanco
Samaras


We have/had pacey/creative/attacking players in our side and Pulis doesn't want to or didn't want to use them. You can also chuck Brown in there who he tried to get rid of of.

Yes there's arguments about all those players and how well they fit long term but as his defenders keep on telling me he can only work with what he's got as staying up is his only brief this season and rebuilding can wait until the summer. So if that's the case he should have worked with what was at his disposal even if it was only a short term fix as our squad/team is significantly stronger with those above in it.

You cant tell me Pulis doesn't have the players to play any way other than this dross when he made the decisions he did in January. Lets not forget he got rid or marginalised all those players and tried to bring in Carlton Cole. That tells you everything about his approach.

We clearly need a natural full back - Pocognoli cant get near the pitch

We need pace out wide - Varela gone instantly

We need creativity - Sessegnon marginalised and Blanco gone

We need a ball carrier in midfield - Mulumbu cant get a game

He also had a month to bring in players he needed but we got a failed bid for Cole and the less said about Mcmanaman the better at the moment.

If it was true that Pulis could only work with what he had then we would be absolutely fine, but he chose to get rid of those players.

I know some will disagree but to me it's also no coincidence all those players from all those different countries cant get a game whilst good old British players (who I have no problem with) are shoe horned in to the side any way possible.

To be fair I think this argument predates TP  :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 13, 2015, 04:41:29 PM
Quote from: Tipton Baggie on April 13, 2015, 03:50:00 PM
We cant play like palace we havent got any pacey players in our team. I would go for albrighton of leicester go down and we stay up. Suprised we didnt go for him after he left the villers

Varela, Sess, Gamboa, we do have (had) players who can bring a bit of pace and width to the side, although maybe not as accomplished as Palace's wingers, granted.

One got sent packing, one sits on the bench most of the time and the other plays with the kids.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on April 13, 2015, 05:41:43 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 13, 2015, 04:41:29 PM
Varela, Sess, Gamboa, we do have (had) players who can bring a bit of pace and width to the side, although maybe not as accomplished as Palace's wingers, granted.

One got sent packing, one sits on the bench most of the time and the other plays with the kids.
Sess hasnt got pace, just low centre of gravity when do you ser him making storming runs. If he does he checks back as hes run out of steam. Varela seems the same as him from what ive saw at stoke.  Gamboa is probabley the only one whos got blistering pace, but even then your still without another winger.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 13, 2015, 05:55:27 PM
Quote from: Tipton Baggie on April 13, 2015, 05:41:43 PM
Sess hasnt got pace, just low centre of gravity when do you ser him making storming runs. If he does he checks back as hes run out of steam. Varela seems the same as him from what ive saw at stoke.  Gamboa is probabley the only one whos got blistering pace, but even then your still without another winger.
When Varela and Sess were in the team we could score a counter attacking goal as good as the one at QPR. They may not have sprinter pace but they have decent pace (which is an improvement on the rest of the squad).
Remember Sess got the 3rd at home to Spurs last season.....robbed a defender on half way line in similar style to Vardy on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on April 13, 2015, 06:31:28 PM
Appoint manager (Head Coach)

Manager has a good spell, okay

Manager has a few bad games, and/or people don't like his tactics/subsitiutions/playing style

Manyy call for his head

Eventually gets the sack

Repeat

----------------------

Is this what we are now?

We can't all agree on every manager and how he goes about his job but there must also be a sense of understanding that as fans we wont all agree or even understand a lot of decisions a manager makes. He however though does it as his full time professional job.

I'd like us to back Pulis, give him a chance to build his own team (as it doesn't look like he trusts many of this lot) and see what happens then. Granted the football hasn't been great under him but nor do I agree that Albion are some sort of mini Arsenal or mini Barcelona, we can do a lot better, Pulis knows this, and I'm sure he knows what he needs to do over the summer to get things right. A bit of patience maybe, if it fails, then revert to the above plan, sack him then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 13, 2015, 06:35:31 PM
Quote from: MarkW on April 13, 2015, 02:39:18 PM
Which paper? Got a link?

This one Mark?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-west-brom-keep-9028936?ptnr_rid=4444&icid=Untitled15
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 13, 2015, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 13, 2015, 02:42:03 PM


agree, just like palace who have a lesser budget to us

And also like Stoke, who have had pacy wingers for several years.....l.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on April 13, 2015, 07:25:55 PM
I will not go and pay my money anymore with pulis in charge,after qpr I gave my ticket away for Leicester to my father,he came back saying they were a disgrace to the 68 shirt,the passing is pitiful,we are currently the worst team in this division,anyone could beat us home or away,we are 2 1 up and this clown brings ollson to defend the lead unbelievable,we have one of the best fullbacks poco,cant get a game in a defence that has conceded 7 goals at home in 2 weeks,at least if we are relegated it ruins his reputation and with it a chance that the premier league fans might not have to endure pulis tactics and games anymore,everyone in football will be thankful for that at least
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 13, 2015, 08:23:40 PM
Watching Liverpool vs Newcastle. Liverpool clearly the better team and looking bright, yet Newcastle look dangerous and have done more attacking in this game than we have in airway games under Pulis in total.

Newcastle in a similar position, in similar form, yet they show an intent to attack. We would smother the game and take any excitement or interest out of it. That's what we have become.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbafc68 on April 13, 2015, 08:28:40 PM
They could be 3 nil down in the game i'm watching.  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 13, 2015, 08:35:34 PM
Quote from: wbafc68 on April 13, 2015, 08:28:40 PM
They could be 3 nil down in the game i'm watching.  :P

Agreed - and they have still managed to look more dangerous than we have in any of our away games!

In full flow Liverpool are some team to watch though. Fantastic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 13, 2015, 08:46:08 PM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on April 13, 2015, 06:31:28 PM
Appoint manager (Head Coach)

Manager has a good spell, okay

Manager has a few bad games, and/or people don't like his tactics/subsitiutions/playing style

Many call for his head

Eventually gets the sack

Repeat

Is this what we are now?

We can't all agree on every manager and how he goes about his job but there must also be a sense of understanding that as fans we wont all agree or even understand a lot of decisions a manager makes. He however though does it as his full time professional job.

Interesting criticism at those wanting the manger out.

Took this off the BaggiesFacts website:

This has to start with Alan Irvine being shown the door. Albion have gained less than a point per game under his leadership, winning as noted above, just four games. Only one of those games has been by more than a one-goal margin. ‘Tentative’ some would say, ‘completely negative’ might some others.

Poor results, negative football.  Pulis will have a similar record to Irvine's after 19 games and the football is just as bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 13, 2015, 09:37:57 PM
Quote from: wbafc68 on April 13, 2015, 08:28:40 PM
They could be 3 nil down in the game i'm watching.  :P

They both look like they could see us off without too much trouble
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 13, 2015, 09:53:42 PM
Interesting view from a Palace fan and it echoes many of my concerns

Crystanbul’ they called it. Tony Pulis’ Crystal Palace side were trailing 3-0 to a rampant Liverpool side, desperate to keep their hopes of winning the Premier League title alive, and then, well then came the resurgence.

Three goals in no more than nine second half minutes destroyed the Reds’ hopes and saw the Eagles make a stunning comeback to draw 3-3. Never before did it feel so right, so good, so perfect to be a Palace fan. Brighton away in the play-offs, Watford in the play-off final; both wonderful moments, but having beaten Chelsea a month before, then make a comeback to draw 3-3 with one of the best Liverpool sides in recent years; not the mention it being under the Selhurst Park lights, was quite simply, incredible.

The trouble is though, what we saw that night was the rigid, disciplined, well drilled Palace squad Tony Pulis largely inherited. There is no doubt that the former Stoke boss worked wonders for the confidence of the squad, the defensive shape and tactical awareness; and in some ways, he worked wonders for the club too; but he was never the right manager for the club.

It is worth noting that Pulis apparently turned down the manager’s job first time around, he wasn’t keen to join a club languishing towards the bottom of the Premier League; perhaps fearing a blemish on an otherwise perfect record of no relegations in his time as a manager. Eventually he was convinced to take the job, and what a job of it he did. He took the side to an 11th place finish and securing an unprecedented second consecutive season in the Premier League. However, something just didn’t feel right, and it isn’t easy to pinpoint exactly what, you could just feel that there was never a long term plan; it was all about the here and now.

Different managers have different opinions on players and decide not to play them or use them in their squads, but with Pulis, there is little room for manoeuvre. Jonathan Williams and Barry Bannan were both marginalised under his management; likewise was Dwight Gayle – the best finisher in Palace’s squad – because they did not suit his style of play, they did not suit the type of player that he appreciated. Young, slight and attacking in the centre of the pitch, Williams and Bannan never stood a chance. The phrase “Pulis type player” did not come about by itself; there were certain players who, unless they were significantly better than taller, stronger, harder player, would not be given an opportunity.

Why is it a problem that a manager doesn’t pick certain players? Well, it isn’t, the problem is with development. Tony Pulis was not interested in picking or signing players who needed to be developed. The player had to be perfectly ready to play a leading role in the team. Sure, it worked out well last season but in the future to be a sustainable football club you have to buy players who need developing, and then develop them. That is also the way the club was supposed to be heading under CPFC2010, but it seems to have been disregarded in an attempt to chase the much needed money from retaining a Premier League spot. The trouble with that is there is no way to guarantee Premier League survival, no matter how much you spend. At least by developing young players, you have valuable assets on lower wages to be sold on for a profit in the future, or to remain at the club and propel a potential promotion push should relegation ensue.

I have admiration Pulis’ ability to manage a team, but that's as far as it goes. He manages a team and a squad. He doesn't manage a club. Clearly there was a set idea of which players he liked and he stuck with that largely whether they were on form or not. Other players were marginalised because they did not suit his style. He had every right to do that, but I didn't feel it was right for the club.

Pulis was not right for the club. It just didn't feel right and I can't put my finger on exactly why. The way he spoke about the club seemed very distant - he didn't have to love the club, but a club like Palace needs to have some element of love and emotion involved in every part of the club to connect it to the supporters properly. There has to be a desire to do well for the club, not to do well because it is your job, because if you don't invest your energy into creating a better club, it won't work out well. If you have an element of wanting the club to progress for progression's sake and for the good or the club and not just to prove you can do your job well, then you'll end up with a more united club going forwards.

There is no criticism of Pulis for doing his job, he was employed to ensure Palace remained a Premier League side, and, despite some dull football, there were also enthralling matches; the victory over Chelsea and comeback against Liverpool two of the most noteworthy. It was Crystal Pulis, not Crystal Palace. Too much focussed on one man, which is why a head coach option with a solid infrastructure is perhaps the better option for a club like Palace; where the owners have a clear vision of what they want. It was evident that things were not always harmonious between Pulis and the owners at Palace, but with a set-up already in place geared towards retaining a club connection in Keith Millen, with Sporting Director Iain Moody largely in control of transfer activity, taking entire control away from Pulis, it was a marriage doomed from the very beginning.

Steve Parish is a man who likes to be in control of everything at his football club, and that is understandable; it is a club which plunged into administration twice in less than two decades and was revived reluctantly from its death bed by four men who have an attachment to the club. They are all businessmen and they want the club to succeed because they love the club, but also because it ensures their financial risk proves to be anything but that. Throw in an old-fashioned manager who likes to control the club from top to bottom and you cause a conflict of interest. Inevitably there must have been clashes, and Pulis’ vision for the club appeared distant to that which CPFC2010 set out upon its purchase; to invest in players in and coming up to their prime, to utilise the academy, and to build a sustainable football club. Under Tony Pulis, Crystal Palace would never have become a sustainable football club, and that is perhaps the underlying reason for his departure, a disagreement over the direction of the club. Palace could not afford Pulis.

The choice appears from the outside, to have been between a sustainable football club or a football club which despite being stable in the Premier League was unprepared for life outside of it. The club will be relegated at some point in the future, and it has to prepare for that, Pulis is a superb football manager, but it would have been a road to ruin had he remained at the club. 

http://www.fiveyearplanfanzine.co.uk/news/5281-pulis-wasn-t-palace-west-bromich-albion-manager-was-not-the-right-fit-at-selhurst-park.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 13, 2015, 09:53:48 PM
In Irvine's last game in charge we went away to Stoke and had 16 shots on goal. Nowhere near as negative as made out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 14, 2015, 12:35:16 AM
Quote from: Dexy on April 13, 2015, 03:13:19 PM
I enjoyed the West Ham , Saints , Swansea and Stoke games and we played some good attacking football.Quite why we have started long ball at home the last two games I don't know , I know Pulis makes a few mistakes but at some point you have to look at this squad and see them letting another manager/HC down . We have a mixture of past it (Ollson / Gmac as much as I like them) , inconsistent ( Sess / Yacob / Anichebe / Morrison ) and a load of signings nowhere near the first team . To add to that we have three senior strikers , three....shocking for a top flight club .
This club has been poorly ran by a number of people for a few years now probably going back to Anelka signing /Mcdonough getting involved. As I said when Pulis took over there is no magic wand , question is how do you get a perormance out of this lot when they know it's likely they will be replaced. Not pretty but I hope we limp over the line and move on the 'just enough club'
I really agree with this and don't think it's been mentioned enough on here.

For instance, against Hull (who are a similar side to Leicester) - we defended well for the final 20 minutes and closed the game out. It wasn't spectacular stuff but it was professional, efficient and most of all solid. There's a massive difference between keeping the ball and neutralising any threat, and instead; hoofing the ball up to a target man and hoping it sticks.
In the earlier days with TP, he seemed to defend by keeping possession more and we played far less deep, and more relaxed as a result. Leicester was something else however, and we looked petrified.
The one thing I do remember however, is that when Pepe Mel was here, after a few late goals against us he came out and said that the players panicked in the final minutes and went far too deep; against his orders. I think it's this mentality, especially with some of the senior players which has harmed us as a team over the past 2 seasons and it doesn't help at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on April 14, 2015, 12:44:41 AM
Ah modern football a couple of games and we should fire everyone.

If you read forums this year at different times.

Van Gaal - sack him, long ball merchant and the footballs terrible
Allardyce - long ball not the west ham way, get rid.
Martinez - too much passing, just like Wigan, can't defend...get rid.
Pochettino - clueless, losing the big games, won't finish in the top 10.
Pardew - Newcastle fans went mad and hounded him out.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 14, 2015, 12:58:35 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on April 14, 2015, 12:44:41 AM
Ah modern football a couple of games and we should fire everyone.

If you read forums this year at different times.

Van Gaal - sack him, long ball merchant and the footballs terrible
Allardyce - long ball not the west ham way, get rid.
Martinez - too much passing, just like Wigan, can't defend...get rid.
Pochettino - clueless, losing the big games, won't finish in the top 10.
Pardew - Newcastle fans went mad and hounded him out.
a couple? we've lost 5 of the last 6 games, failed to take a lead away from home and gained a single point from a losing position in his tenure... it's not exactly encouraging, is it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 14, 2015, 07:19:51 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on April 14, 2015, 12:44:41 AM
Ah modern football a couple of games and we should fire everyone.

If you read forums this year at different times.

Van Gaal - sack him, long ball merchant and the footballs terrible
Allardyce - long ball not the west ham way, get rid.
Martinez - too much passing, just like Wigan, can't defend...get rid.
Pochettino - clueless, losing the big games, won't finish in the top 10.
Pardew - Newcastle fans went mad and hounded him out.
I have to agree and would say that this has been the only real failing of JP in the post Tony Mowbray days, for me, in that he has pulled the trigger too quickly. We need some long term stability in the club to get back on the path (which is why I believe we had the maintain the coaching staff approach ::)). However JP works more closely with the coaching staff and has more of an insight into their performance on a daily basis and therefore I have to respect his judgement.
I do have massive reservations about TP being the man to bring about the stability necessary. A poor lower league manager, in my opinion, who has developed a hard to beat and even harder to watch style of football.
Whilst there hasn't been much excitement and thrill in recent years, you know what to expect from TP (as do the opposition) and I find myself thinking of all the other more entertaining things that I could be spending my season ticket money on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on April 14, 2015, 07:25:23 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 13, 2015, 08:46:08 PM
Interesting criticism at those wanting the manger out.

Took this off the BaggiesFacts website:

This has to start with Alan Irvine being shown the door. Albion have gained less than a point per game under his leadership, winning as noted above, just four games. Only one of those games has been by more than a one-goal margin. ‘Tentative’ some would say, ‘completely negative’ might some others.

Poor results, negative football.  Pulis will have a similar record to Irvine's after 19 games and the football is just as bad.

Seeing as I sit next to you, you know my views on the matter mate! I'm quite objective and look at things as I see them. Pulis also has a proven track record in this league, Irvine did not. So it's not even as if there was something we could judge him on other than what he did in his short time with us.

There is a lot more wrong at this club than just a single manager. Irvine wasn't, in my opinion, a strong enough character to make wholesale changes and nor would the club probably have let him. Irvine also had a full pre-season with the team. Pulis didn't, he had to pick up the pieces.

Also, if you want to talk about points per game, Pulis has so far acheived 1.25 whereas Irvine managed 0.89. You can't judge a bloke on what 'might' happen. There is no doubt in my mind that we'd be in a worse position now if we hadn't appointed Pulis.

I'm not saying I'm ultra positive about Pulis, I mean of course being there on Saturday, it was a horrible day with all things considered and the gaffer should take some of the blame. His super negative tactics, well nobody wants to see them, but there is still a time and place for them and I'm sure it won't always be like it has been the last few matches. I believe that he should be given a chance to sign his own men and see where we go next season.

Ideally, beyond all this, I would have loved to see Pepe Mel given the job and those players who didn't want to work with him told it's his way or no way. But that didn't happen and we have to work with what we have.

Who wouold you like in as Head Coach if we were to sack Pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 14, 2015, 07:30:17 AM
Pulis has a pedigree for building clubs. Whether you like his style (like Megson) is personal but I'd imagine many Albion fans were prefer winning pretty to ugly like myself. The fact is our squad is poor, unbalanced and my view is the club needs a strong mind to stamp his mark and to build a more solid foundation. We have a great youth set up, ground. Therefore, if Pulis brings in some big guys, gets us to mid table for two years, then I'd be happy then for us to bring in someone who plays 'progressive' football whatever that means. Everton fans are sick of Martinez's slow tippy tippy style for eg.

Although like everyone else I haven't liked what I've seen recently but I also remember Megsons days and some of Roy's where functional football which got results made me happier than 'pretty' without results like Mowbray for eg (lots of possession without end product a la Irvines style isn't pretty to me by the way).

Im willing to see what happens next season. First I'm looking for better results, then I'll look at how the results are achieved. The year after if results have improved, I'll be looking for the way we achieve results. First things first.

The best teams we've ever had in the top flight, attacking or not have always been built on strong defences. Why don't you see Pulis as being a couple of year defensive coach who can then be replaced by some who can overlay some attacking intent. What is gone is gone (get over Roy, get over Irvine as they aren't coming back).

We must allow someone to try to rebuild the squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 14, 2015, 07:54:05 AM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on April 14, 2015, 07:25:23 AM
There is no doubt in my mind that we'd be in a worse position now if we hadn't appointed Pulis.

Out of interest,  what have you seen in TP that can qualify this statement? I agree it removed the hostile element of the crowd (for a short period) but the results against our peers have not improved (got worse if anything) and our performances,  in general,  have been pretty abject.

As to the answer to the long term problem...not got it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on April 14, 2015, 07:57:17 AM
Entertaining football to me does not mean tippy tappy football, that can be as tedious as watching long balls lumped forward at times.

What i do expect is when playing sides struggling and low on confidence (Everton, Sunderland, Villa, QPR, Leicester) to have some attacking intent, the only one of the above games we did that was Leicester for the first half hour and we scored 2, looked a threat then decided to camp in our half the rest of the game.

To me entertainment is something that you enjoy and makes you want to go again, Crystal Palace arent a great footballing side, they mix between the two and use wingers, thats not tippy tappy or long ball, but they are entertaining. Villa arent a good footballing side either (better than us at it) but they attack.

The games against Swansea, West Ham and Stoke wasnt Barcelona type football but it was enjoyable, there was some skill and flair mixed in with the dirty stuff, we have players who can do that, however it would seem the approaches to those games are the exception rather than the norm which i just dont get.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on April 14, 2015, 08:12:50 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 14, 2015, 07:54:05 AM
Out of interest,  what have you seen in TP that can qualify this statement? I agree it removed the hostile element of the crowd (for a short period) but the results against our peers have not improved (got worse if anything) and our performances,  in general,  have been pretty abject.

As to the answer to the long term problem...not got it!

The fact is that we have more points per game under Pulis than we did Irvine. I think that pretty much qualifies it as best as possible.

In terms of performances... To be honest it doesn't matter what I say as there are good and bad examples of attacking work and defensive work under Pulis and Irvine too. I point to a good example and you will no doubt combat it with a different example. I think a realisation that sometimes we won't play well and we will lose sometimes, is needed. The best of the best can play 'abject' football at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 14, 2015, 08:17:51 AM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on April 14, 2015, 07:25:23 AM
I believe that he should be given a chance to sign his own men and see where we go next season.

Who wouold you like in as Head Coach if we were to sack Pulis?

Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche, Steve McLaren, Aitor Karanka.

You say Pulis deserves a summer to make wholesale changes to our squad and you’re right that is a fair and reasonable suggestion; however the thought of Pulis shaping a squad in his own image feels me with absolute dread.  I’m sure we’ll have a dressing room full of ‘good honest pro’s’ infact I’m sure they’ll all work ‘very very hard’ but it will also be one in which there is dearth of skill, guile and creativity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on April 14, 2015, 08:31:01 AM
I was more annoyed Saturday than i was the QPR game, i think the QPR game was a freak match, bad day at the office, etc, etc. We just didnt start, they did and everything they hit went in, fair play to them, they deserved it.

Saturday however was different because we started well, we scored 2 earlyish goals and Leicester were clearly there to be got at, defensively they looked awful but for some reason after 30 x minutes we decided to try and defend a 2-1 lead against bottom of the league, it was quite frankly pathetic.

I have said previous i dont think Pulis the right man for us and i dont think we are the right club for him, i think we will stay up this season and probably next which is i am sure what the club intended as it means we are in the league for the new TV deal, however as a football fan it goes a bit further than that.

I think the Palace fan quoted above hit the nail on the head when he said Pulis builds a team for now and for instant results and almost forget the entertainment value, again with the financial head on that makes sense, as it makes sure we are in the league for 2016-2017.

However as a football fan there is no development and no planning with that, if Pulis does as i expect and buy a certain type of player who will do the job he wants then come the time when he does leave, for example end of next season or the season after, whoever comes in will revamp the squad because not many coaches have the same beliefs or way of playing as Pulis and we are almost back to square one. All clubs have a turnover of players, last summer we had a big one, this summer if Pulis stays we will have another big one and if Pulis goes end of next season (i think thats when his contract is up?) or even the summer after that there will be another big turnover as the new coach would want different players to Pulis you would assume, its not good to change 10 or 12 players every preseason.

Of course all the above is if's and but's but i think we have almost gone for the instant fix for now and to hell with the consequences. I am not saying i want Pulis out now because i dont, i dont think sacking coaches every 6 x months is the answer, but i hope both the club and him review things end of the season, if they are both happy then the board have to back him and us fans have to accept that and know there is a strong chance we will have a very tedious couple of years but at the end of it, probably still be in the premier league, but if it does go that way i think it will come at a cost as i think gates will get lower.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 14, 2015, 08:38:30 AM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on April 13, 2015, 06:31:28 PM
Appoint manager (Head Coach)

Manager has a good spell, okay
Manager has a few bad games, and/or people don't like his tactics/subsitiutions/playing style
Many call for his head
Eventually gets the sack
Repeat

----------------------

Is this what we are now?
That wasn't the case with Pepe Mel though was it? It was pretty much the opposite in fact. IIRC, polls on more than one messageboard showed the approx 80% of fans wanted him to stay on this season, despite his win ratio being poor. For all the claims in some quarters about Albion being associated with attractive football being a myth, does Pepe Mel's popularity say something about how Albion fans want to see their team play?

There is also frequent derision about the attacking ineffectiveness of "tippy-tappy" football. In our relegation season under Mowbray, we scored 36 goals and we're likely to only score a few more than that this season. We also got 32 points that season. When many give the impression that, to use a favourite phrase of the media, we were rooted to the foot of the table, we were actually only 4 points off being safe. It's also worth bearing in mind the relative merits of that squad with the current one too.

There are plenty of middle ground playing styles, between tippy-tappy possession retention and an attritional, negative approach, which can be successful. I think to believe that Pulis's current approach is the only possible successful route for a club like ours is a fallacy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 14, 2015, 08:54:22 AM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on April 14, 2015, 08:12:50 AM
The fact is that we have more points per game under Pulis than we did Irvine. I think that pretty much qualifies it as best as possible.
And the reason we have more points per game? We haven't played, Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal under TP yet. We may get points from those matches but when we can not get points from Leicester or QPR at home I am struggling to believe we can get points from these fixtures. I am hopeful we can pick up one or two before the end of the season (Newcastle will be a big game with their and our current form), just enough to stay up. My reckoning by the end of the season the records will be almost identical.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on April 14, 2015, 09:04:12 AM
The question is would we have gone down under Irvine . I for one believe we would . If we stay up , and PULIS stays which I think he will ,I hope the football changes . Surely we can get players of a standard that can put more than 2 passes together . Last week was absolute tripe .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on April 14, 2015, 09:25:31 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 14, 2015, 08:17:51 AM
Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche, Steve McLaren, Aitor Karanka.

You say Pulis deserves a summer to make wholesale changes to our squad and you’re right that is a fair and reasonable suggestion; however the thought of Pulis shaping a squad in his own image feels me with absolute dread.  I’m sure we’ll have a dressing room full of ‘good honest pro’s’ infact I’m sure they’ll all work ‘very very hard’ but it will also be one in which there is dearth of skill, guile and creativity.

I'd like any of the above should Pulis fail, all good shots, especially Dyche and Howe. But what happens when they lose a few games, maybe trying to play football? People get on the 'no good playing football if we lose' bandwagon. It's tough to please everyone.

We may well end up having a dressing room of good honest pro's and I think we need that, we need level headed grounded folk who put this club first because at the minute it seems as though there isn't enough of this kind of player. You would hope we get some new wingers in too who can balance up his usual defence first approach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on April 14, 2015, 09:29:29 AM
The last two games have bought to a head just how badly the club has been managed since the day Steve Clarke was sacked. Since then bad decision after bad decision has been made(Pulis was the best of these decisions imo) over the head coaching role which allied to some very poor transfer windows has put us in a poor and weak position with a squad that quite simply isnt good enough to perform consistently well at this level. E.G which other prem league team still has the same m/f avilable that they had four or five years ago. If we scrape survival and it will surely be no more than that then the deadwood would and not just on the field must be burnt! . The game is changing and we must change too else sooner or later luck will run out!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on April 14, 2015, 09:30:05 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on April 14, 2015, 08:38:30 AM
That wasn't the case with Pepe Mel though was it? It was pretty much the opposite in fact. IIRC, polls on more than one messageboard showed the approx 80% of fans wanted him to stay on this season, despite his win ratio being poor. For all the claims in some quarters about Albion being associated with attractive football being a myth, does Pepe Mel's popularity say something about how Albion fans want to see their team play?

There is also frequent derision about the attacking ineffectiveness of "tippy-tappy" football. In our relegation season under Mowbray, we scored 36 goals and we're likely to only score a few more than that this season. We also got 32 points that season. When many give the impression that, to use a favourite phrase of the media, we were rooted to the foot of the table, we were actually only 4 points off being safe. It's also worth bearing in mind the relative merits of that squad with the current one too.

There are plenty of middle ground playing styles, between tippy-tappy possession retention and an attritional, negative approach, which can be successful. I think to believe that Pulis's current approach is the only possible successful route for a club like ours is a fallacy.

I haven't said or don't believe the Pulis approach is the only one. And I agree that isn't what happened with Mel, I actually wanted Mel to stay, and agreed as did a lot of other Baggies fans.

In a ideal world I'd love us to be successful and play the 'right' kind of way in the process.

If we get rid of Pulis though, that's five Head Coaches in just over 4 years, not the way of building anything at any club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on April 14, 2015, 09:32:26 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 14, 2015, 08:54:22 AM
And the reason we have more points per game? We haven't played, Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal under TP yet. We may get points from those matches but when we can not get points from Leicester or QPR at home I am struggling to believe we can get points from these fixtures. I am hopeful we can pick up one or two before the end of the season (Newcastle will be a big game with their and our current form), just enough to stay up. My reckoning by the end of the season the records will be almost identical.

So we'll wait and see then...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on April 14, 2015, 09:34:24 AM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on April 14, 2015, 09:25:31 AM
I'd like any of the above should Pulis fail, all good shots, especially Dyche and Howe. But what happens when they lose a few games, maybe trying to play football? People get on the 'no good playing football if we lose' bandwagon. It's tough to please everyone.

We may well end up having a dressing room of good honest pro's and I think we need that, we need level headed grounded folk who put this club first because at the minute it seems as though there isn't enough of this kind of player. You would hope we get some new wingers in too who can balance up his usual defence first approach.

It's far worse playing sh*t football and lose though. I haven't even bothered watching that last few games knowing we will be unspeakably rubbish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 14, 2015, 10:05:08 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 14, 2015, 08:17:51 AM
Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche, Steve McLaren, Aitor Karanka.

You say Pulis deserves a summer to make wholesale changes to our squad and you’re right that is a fair and reasonable suggestion; however the thought of Pulis shaping a squad in his own image feels me with absolute dread.  I’m sure we’ll have a dressing room full of ‘good honest pro’s’ infact I’m sure they’ll all work ‘very very hard’ but it will also be one in which there is dearth of skill, guile and creativity.

What's wrong with having honest professional footballers in the club? Darren Fletcher is an honest pro. How did he survive so long at Manchester United if he had no skill?

They had the same discussion on the Sunday Supplement. Foreign coaches and players are labelled as inventive and progressive, whereas British coaches and players are labelled as plucky and hard working. The British coaches and players may well have the same ability, but the glamour comes from signing a coach or player from distant shores.

As for your choices the next head coach, 3 of your choices are completely unproven in the Premier League. McLaren did well in the Prem before he got the England job, but it looks like being the 2nd successive season he fails to get Derby promoted. They should have been in the top 2 the last couple of seasons.

I like Dyche a lot, he's built his Burnley team over the last few seasons and did great getting them promoted from the Championship. But it doesn't look like he can save them at the top level. If he gets relegated with Burnley who says he wouldn't get relegated with West Brom too?

Eddie Howe had done a great job with Bournemouth. He's had since 2008 to stamp that style onto the squad and the club are now seeing the long term benefits. When he tried to stamp his style on Burnley, he did a worse job than Dyche did, plus his family couldn't settle away from the South Coast.

Karanka is the most unproven of the lot. He's only been a number 1 since 2013 and that's been in the 2nd flight. People will no doubt say he was a good number 2 at Madrid under Mourinho. Well, Steve Clarke was a great number 2 under Mourinho and that didn't stop him from getting the sack.

Or, you could stick by the 'plucky' and 'hard working' Pulis who is in his 7th consecutive season in the Premier League. He's not as glamourous as Karanka or Howe, but his record says he will do a good job. Howe probably won't do a good job outside of the South Coast and Karanka has never been at a small club in a hard league. He could end up being another Pepe Mel or Felix Magath.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 14, 2015, 10:10:13 AM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on April 14, 2015, 09:30:05 AM
I haven't said or don't believe the Pulis approach is the only one. And I agree that isn't what happened with Mel, I actually wanted Mel to stay, and agreed as did a lot of other Baggies fans.

In a ideal world I'd love us to be successful and play the 'right' kind of way in the process.

If we get rid of Pulis though, that's five Head Coaches in just over 4 years, not the way of building anything at any club.

That's spot on. The club are still paying Irvine until the end of 2015. If you get rid of Pulis and bring in another man, that would be 3 different head coaches you are paying at the same time! That will be money coming out of the player wage budgets to strengthen the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 14, 2015, 10:26:47 AM
On the one hand I absolutely understand that the club needs some stability in the Head Coach's office but equally my reservations about Pulis are deep seated and well founded. There is a lot of whistling in the dark going on here and people blathering on about wingers. What is the point of having wingers if you seldom have any control of the football in your opponents half or for most of the game they are deployed as auxiliary full backs?

There are options at the club right now they might not quite fit the Pulisball model does our Head Coach try them or move from the rigid 4-4-2 to something that might fit the players he has? No and it is lack of flexibility as much as the negativity of his approach which eventually did for him at Stoke and why he ultimately fell out with Palace. Providing we are solely concerned with survival at any cost then he is a perfect fit and it will be fine until the day it doesn't work and I really worry about the state he will leave the club in.

However provided we survive and he doesn't fall out with the ownership I don't see him leaving in the near future. The question is how many seasons will I stick it out waiting for him to leave in the hope that one day I might see some football at the Hawthorns.

I am not one of those fans that want managers sacked on the basis of a couple of bad performances and I am still of the opinion that players do not take enough responsibility for their own performances in the modern game.  I was one of the very few fans not to condemn Irvine out of hand (although given the negativity surrounding the appointment his tenure was always doomed) so I am preprepared to give managers a chance but Pulisball has never changed what we are seeing is what we will be getting for the foreseeable future.           
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 14, 2015, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on April 14, 2015, 09:30:05 AM
I haven't said or don't believe the Pulis approach is the only one. And I agree that isn't what happened with Mel, I actually wanted Mel to stay, and agreed as did a lot of other Baggies fans.

In a ideal world I'd love us to be successful and play the 'right' kind of way in the process.

If we get rid of Pulis though, that's five Head Coaches in just over 4 years, not the way of building anything at any club.
What if we lose the last 9 games of the season though, can any manager survive that, even if we stay up?
Not saying he should stay or go, just a genuine question that I'm not sure of the answer to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 14, 2015, 11:10:20 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 14, 2015, 10:05:08 AM
What's wrong with having honest professional footballers in the club? Darren Fletcher is an honest pro. How did he survive so long at Manchester United if he had no skill?

Nothing is wrong with Fletcher, I never even brought Fletcher up, our dressing room is full of honest pro's; Foster, Dawson, GMac, Olsson, Lescott, Brunt, Mozza, Yacob, Ideye etc etc etc.  However, being hard working is all very well and good but you need to mix it with guile and flair and I don't think Pulis does and never has done.  He is a simple man with very simple methods.

Here is a question for you, slightly off the point but how many players did Pulis sign from abroad, I know he had plenty of foreigners in his team  but how many were recruited from overseas rather than existing British clubs?  Also how many youth players did he develop?  Keep hearing alot about how we need to give him time to build a club, well personally I don't want a man to build a club playing dross football, who will never develop any of our fine youth talent and who doesn't  trust players who have no experience of English football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 14, 2015, 11:11:25 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 14, 2015, 10:10:13 AM
The club are still paying Irvine until the end of 2015. If you get rid of Pulis and bring in another man, that would be 3 different head coaches you are paying at the same time! That will be money coming out of the player wage budgets to strengthen the team.

Will be worth it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on April 14, 2015, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: GrGr on April 14, 2015, 09:34:24 AM
It's far worse playing sh*t football and lose though. I haven't even bothered watching that last few games knowing we will be unspeakably rubbish.

That's up to you. Attempting to always play the right way is the ideal, but it doesn't always work, it's just balancing that with Pulis' methods, also thinking about what he did at Palace. People seem quite split on all this!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 14, 2015, 04:01:47 PM
Just had a look back and found this line

Quote from: Do I not like Wolves on January 01, 2015, 11:23:39 AM
What a contrast in reaction to the Irvine appointment. Pulis has the fans on side from the word go. That counts for a lot.

Turns out you only need a month to change that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 14, 2015, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on April 14, 2015, 04:01:47 PM
Just had a look back and found this line

Turns out you only need a month to change that.

He never had me onside and I doubt he ever will.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 14, 2015, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 14, 2015, 04:08:27 PM
He never had me onside and I doubt he ever will.
Didn't have me either but I said nothing when it was good and I'll say nothing now. Just found it interesting how quickly opinions change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on April 14, 2015, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on April 14, 2015, 04:12:11 PM
Didn't have me either but I said nothing when it was good and I'll say nothing now. Just found it interesting how quickly opinions change.

That's football fans for you, our memory is very short and fickle.

Your only as good or bad as your last result  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 14, 2015, 07:12:47 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on April 14, 2015, 04:51:27 PM
That's football fans for you, our memory is very short and fickle.

Your only as good or bad as your last result  ;)
Or your memory is good and you refuse to be fickle  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on April 14, 2015, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 14, 2015, 07:12:47 PM
Or your memory is good and you refuse to be fickle  ;)

A rare breed indeed  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on April 14, 2015, 07:25:48 PM
I wanted Pulis and I haven't turned. I can't think of an alternative either, just the same old deadwood passing around the managerial roundabout. Whilst on the subject of deadwood, Pulis cannot possibly be judged until he has a crack at a whole pre-season shifting out the majority of what he has been lumbered with and replaced them with players who might actually have the fight for a battle, have a bit of pace and strength about them and who generally give the impression that they actually want to be here. Only then can we properly be able to assess TP's capabilities.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 14, 2015, 08:14:41 PM
Quote from: Nathan on April 14, 2015, 07:25:48 PM
I wanted Pulis and I haven't turned. I can't think of an alternative either, just the same old deadwood passing around the managerial roundabout. Whilst on the subject of deadwood, Pulis cannot possibly be judged until he has a crack at a whole pre-season shifting out the majority of what he has been lumbered with and replaced them with players who might actually have the fight for a battle, have a bit of pace and strength about them and who generally give the impression that they actually want to be here. Only then can we properly be able to assess TP's capabilities.
I agree. I cannot understand not using Poco as left back though? He aint a midget and is tough and pacy.
Could well be a good reason but am baffled?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 14, 2015, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 14, 2015, 11:10:20 AM

Here is a question for you, slightly off the point but how many players did Pulis sign from abroad, I know he had plenty of foreigners in his team  but how many were recruited from overseas rather than existing British clubs?  Also how many youth players did he develop?  Keep hearing alot about how we need to give him time to build a club, well personally I don't want a man to build a club playing dross football, who will never develop any of our fine youth talent and who doesn't  trust players who have no experience of English football.

Not many foreign players directly from abroad. In the Championship he signed Demar Phillips who was a rubbish Jamaican winger. Tried to sign another Jamaican Rudolph Austin but couldn't get a work permit. In the Premier League he desperately tried to bring in Demba Ba and Loic Remy. Both deals fell through and they have ended up coming into the league and being a success. There are others too but I can't remember at the moment.

The only players who he developed who went on to play Premier League football have been Andy Wilkinson and Karl Henry. Other players like Kris Commons, Carl Dickinson and Gareth Owen were decent, but never made it into the top league. Ben Wilson and Jimmy Phillips looked promising but ended up being lower league players. The rest were released and ended up playing for Newcastle Town and Stafford Rangers sized clubs. In the 2 years since Mark Hughes has been in charge, the only Academy player to make a token appearance has been Ollie Shenton. Brought him on literally for 22 seconds against Man City. The Academy is just pooh. It's had 6 or 7 different Directors in the 10 years or so it's been running. The best young players in the area go to the Manchester and Liverpool clubs. James Wilson who's played for Man United this season grew up 5 miles away from me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RICH ONE on April 14, 2015, 09:04:29 PM
If we survive you have to judge Pulis when he has had time to bring in his own players
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I agree it is not good at the moment but the squad is made up of players who have served there time at the club and have to be moved on. We are now paying big time for poor mangement  by the club and not freshening the squad up with better players.

I know it is going back over old ground everything came to a standstill when Ashworth went to England .  Our recruitment since has been dreadful and we are going into a very important summer hoping we have learned lessons from last year.

That's why we have to allow Pulis time to have a big squad clear out , a clear out which is long overdue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 3 in 11 on April 15, 2015, 01:14:30 AM
I've got to laugh.....
Firstly 'because I've just read the first four pages of this topic and then the last three.
Secondly because what makes you think it'll be WBA getting shot of Pulis and not t'other way around?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on April 15, 2015, 02:15:51 AM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on April 14, 2015, 08:14:41 PM
I agree. I cannot understand not using Poco as left back though? He aint a midget and is tough and pacy.
Could well be a good reason but am baffled?

I hate to think it just a bias Pulis has due to native language (i.e. supposed barrier)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: A5HB on April 15, 2015, 07:58:09 AM
Quote from: Aixelsyd on April 15, 2015, 02:15:51 AM
I hate to think it just a bias Pulis has due to native language (i.e. supposed barrier)
I doubt that would be a concern, Pocognoli speaks more than decent English.

I don't like to go on rumour, but there has been plenty of suggestions that Poco did something off the field (refusing to do double sessions was one claim) and that is why he won't get selected.

Like I said,  I don't like to go with rumours but this would certainly add up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on April 15, 2015, 08:05:25 AM
Quote from: A5HB on April 15, 2015, 07:58:09 AM
I doubt that would be a concern, Pocognoli speaks more than decent English.

I don't like to go on rumour, but there has been plenty of suggestions that Poco did something off the field (refusing to do double sessions was one claim) and that is why he won't get selected.
Like I said,  I don't like to go with rumours but this would certainly add up.

To be honest it would make sense, there must be a reason he hasnt had a look in, especially when Brunt was suspended.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 15, 2015, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on April 15, 2015, 08:05:25 AM
To be honest it would make sense, there must be a reason he hasnt had a look in, especially when Brunt was suspended.
Why put him on the bench then? If he's a wrong un and you are not going to play him, then give the bench berth to someone who has a fighting chance of getting on and doing something, like Nabi.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pointergeorge on April 15, 2015, 09:47:13 AM
Won't play any of our 3 international full backs, plays 4 Centre halves, yet, in the B'ham Cup  at Nuneaton played 4  full backs in defence. Hates raiding full backs, buys MCmanan whose always injured.  Why not put Gamboa on the wing.  Lescott is paceless and Bolassie will have him for breakfast.  He should get Craig Dawson in alongside Macaully.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 15, 2015, 09:54:56 AM
Quote from: pointergeorge on April 15, 2015, 09:47:13 AM
Won't play any of our 3 international full backs, plays 4 Centre halves, yet, in the B'ham Cup  at Nuneaton played 4  full backs in defence. Hates raiding full backs, buys MCmanan whose always injured.  Why not put Gamboa on the wing.  Lescott is paceless and Bolassie will have him for breakfast.  He should get Craig Dawson in alongside Macaully.

Pulis is not in charge of the U21's
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on April 15, 2015, 11:04:48 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 15, 2015, 09:54:56 AM
Pulis is not in charge of the U21's

I get that but surely TP has to sanction using first team squad players in a "risk" situation, ie an U21 match.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 15, 2015, 12:15:59 PM
Quote from: Aixelsyd on April 15, 2015, 02:15:51 AM
I hate to think it just a bias Pulis has due to native language (i.e. supposed barrier)

Heard this rumour a couple of times now and its completely unfounded in my opinion, Poco speaks very good English.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 15, 2015, 12:41:47 PM
Quote from: Albionic on April 15, 2015, 11:04:48 AM
I get that but surely TP has to sanction using first team squad players in a "risk" situation, ie an U21 match.

He will give permission for them to play yes but other than that its down to the coach in charge to play them wherever
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jamesuk1994 on April 15, 2015, 12:52:39 PM
Saw on another albion forum about players not liking the training regime.

May be no truth in it, but could explain the lacklusture performances. Something isn't quite adding up right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 3 in 11 on April 15, 2015, 01:04:27 PM
I don't know what he's asking of your players, but when he was at Palace he had ours in at stupid o'clock in the morning doing Yoga. There were also optional sessions with a ballet tutor. Long runs too with Pulis on his bike apparently.
Our lot loved it.
Part of the reason for the demise under Warnock was the abandoning of the early starts, yoga etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DaveWBA on April 15, 2015, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: 3 in 11 on April 15, 2015, 01:04:27 PM
I don't know what he's asking of your players, but when he was at Palace he had ours in at stupid o'clock in the morning doing Yoga. There were also optional sessions with a ballet tutor. Long runs too with Pulis on his bike apparently.
Our lot loved it.
Part of the reason for the demise under Warnock was the abandoning of the early starts, yoga etc.

It would seem as though our lot don't like doing anything too taxing. Pulis has a serious job on between now and the end of the season, and if the sale of the club doesn't go through then I'd be surprised he has a job come August.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 15, 2015, 01:11:02 PM
Quote from: 3 in 11 on April 15, 2015, 01:04:27 PM
I don't know what he's asking of your players, but when he was at Palace he had ours in at stupid o'clock in the morning doing Yoga. There were also optional sessions with a ballet tutor. Long runs too with Pulis on his bike apparently.
Our lot loved it.
Part of the reason for the demise under Warnock was the abandoning of the early starts, yoga etc.

I can't see any of our lot being up for that. From what I've seen of Palace they look to have a hard working bunch who would run through a brick wall. Our lot are a bunch of bottlers with no fight whatsoever. They appear to be mentally weak too. A lot are living on their past reputations and just going through the motions. We need a complete overhaul. I'm just not convinced that Pulis is the right man to do this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: A5HB on April 15, 2015, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: jamesuk1994 on April 15, 2015, 12:52:39 PM
Saw on another albion forum about players not liking the training regime.

May be no truth in it, but could explain the lacklusture performances. Something isn't quite adding up right now.
I can't add any truth to this, but I have heard plenty of other rumours about Pulis having the players in to train more regularly. Foster even commented shortly after his arrival that they were training more and as I posted in another thread, the suggestion was that Poco had refused a double session and that was to blame for his absence from the team.

If the players are training a lot more, it might explain the drop in performance, but more because of fatigue than attitude.

Take Lescott and McAuley as an example. Two players who are well over 30 who missed pre season with injuries. This is probably the longest run of games back to back Lescott has had in two years and McAuley plays in all of the international breaks. Making those players do more training, maybe even extra fitness work, in the second half of the season when they have/are playing every week is going to take its toll. The same argument was used against Capello ahead of the World Cup in 2010. He put the players through some gruelling fitness sessions and as a result absolutely ruined them ahead of the tournament. The kind of mistakes they are making are the classic mistakes that physically and mentally tired players make.

You might think that players should be fit enough to cope with it, but it really isn't a good idea to up the work load at a time of the year when it is normally dropping down, particularly as our playing style (playing without the ball for the majority of games) is also very tiring. You can see why they might be concerned if they feel like the training regime is having a negative effect of their performances.

It was a little different at Palace because Pulis joined them a few months earlier, so the players were still on the come down from pre season and would be better equipped to deal with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on April 15, 2015, 01:24:11 PM
I feel sorry for ANY manager managing this squad of players, seriously, whoever it is. If ever there was a club that needed a clear out it's us now. Managing this club at this moment in time is one hell of a job for the manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jamesuk1994 on April 15, 2015, 01:33:19 PM
Another thought, in regards to players effort, determination etc.

With his two previous clubs in Palace and Stoke, most of his players were from the Championship, and probably just thankful to get a shot in the premier league, and they would all buy in to his training regime whatver that may be.

It was only when Stoke became more established that they started to struggle more and the season he left, they were in trouble for alot of season with players such as Crouch, N'Zonzi. Maybe these players with over infalted ego's don't suit Pulis' style hence the issues with training.

Whereas we have players who have been in the premiership a number of years, (Lescott, Gardner, Sess) they feel as though they are better than Pulis' methods and haven't bought into them, which would not be a surprise considering last years debacle.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 15, 2015, 02:05:21 PM
Sick of here what these pampered multi millionaire stars like and don't like. If you hate it that much quit the half day job and find another working "proper" working hours for the wage of the people who come and watch you week in week out and would give anything to pull on the shirt of whichever club they happen to follow just once in their lifetimes let alone weekly .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on April 15, 2015, 02:09:27 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 15, 2015, 02:05:21 PM
Sick of here what these pampered multi millionaire stars like and don't like. If you hate it that much quit the half day job and find another working "proper" working hours for the wage of the people who come and watch you week in week out and would give anything to pull on the shirt of whichever club they happen to follow just once in their lifetimes let alone weekly .


Bang on. Clubs need more power and players less. These men are extremely lucky to be doing what they are doing, they should never, ever have the nerve to moan or complain about anything. Too much money, heads too big and not enough contact with supporters or the real world.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 15, 2015, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: Albionic on April 15, 2015, 11:04:48 AM
I get that but surely TP has to sanction using first team squad players in a "risk" situation, ie an U21 match.
I sincerely hope he's there watching these games also....or at least one of his sidekicks is. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion07 on April 15, 2015, 04:51:36 PM
So the players supposedly loved training with Irvine and we lost every week. Now they 'hate' training under Pulis and we are losing every week, seems to me like the issue isn't just the manager... The players aren't good enough, simple as.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 15, 2015, 05:09:38 PM
TP might have to ease up on them a little because he cant achieve anything without their cooperation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on April 15, 2015, 07:48:31 PM
Mentioned this on twitter,but what if the players are low on confidence because of the tactics,when we played Swansea (2nd half) and West Ham we took the game to them,we looked brilliant all over the pitch,look how well Saido and Brown combined,they was on a different level from previous games.
Apart from the 1st half in the Cup against Villa,we have sat back almost every game and let the other team control the tempo,imo you won't build confidence playing Pulis tactics match after match.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 16, 2015, 11:51:19 AM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on April 15, 2015, 07:48:31 PM
Mentioned this on twitter,but what if the players are low on confidence because of the tactics,when we played Swansea (2nd half) and West Ham we took the game to them,we looked brilliant all over the pitch,look how well Saido and Brown combined,they was on a different level from previous games.
Apart from the 1st half in the Cup against Villa,we have sat back almost every game and let the other team control the tempo,imo you won't build confidence playing Pulis tactics match after match.
Well, they didn't like Pepe Mel's high pressing game and now they maybe don't like sitting back either. Perhaps they just want to arrange some sun loungers in the centre circle and spend the afternoon getting a nice tan!  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 16, 2015, 12:02:17 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on April 16, 2015, 11:51:19 AM
Well, they didn't like Pepe Mel's high pressing game and now they maybe don't like sitting back either. Perhaps they just want to arrange some sun loungers in the centre circle and spend the afternoon getting a nice tan!  ;)
I really couldn't give a cow's ar$e about any of these players any more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 16, 2015, 12:26:19 PM
the palyers owe us, just one more win is all we ask and then you can all feck off
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 16, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Maybe we should ask the players which gaffer they'd like to work(?) with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 16, 2015, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: costa blanca baggie on April 16, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Maybe we should ask the players which gaffer they'd like to work(?) with.


Yes let them choose the next head :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 16, 2015, 01:26:31 PM
Is it Pulis's presser today?  I want to count how many times he say 'they work very very hard'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on April 16, 2015, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 16, 2015, 01:22:09 PM

Yes let them choose the next head :)

They probably tried to do that when Downing and Kiely were here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on April 16, 2015, 03:03:33 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on April 16, 2015, 11:51:19 AM
Well, they didn't like Pepe Mel's high pressing game and now they maybe don't like sitting back either. Perhaps they just want to arrange some sun loungers in the centre circle and spend the afternoon getting a nice tan!  ;)

Iwas going to say deck chairs but you beat me to it :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on April 16, 2015, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on April 15, 2015, 01:11:02 PM
I can't see any of our lot being up for that. From what I've seen of Palace they look to have a hard working bunch who would run through a brick wall. Our lot are a bunch of bottlers with no fight whatsoever. They appear to be mentally weak too. A lot are living on their past reputations and just going through the motions. We need a complete overhaul. I'm just not convinced that Pulis is the right man to do this.

Don't know about you but I wouldn't have the courage to say that to Mozza!

I think that he is the exception in the team.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 16, 2015, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on April 16, 2015, 03:42:28 PM
Don't know about you but I wouldn't have the courage to say that to Mozza!

I think that he is the exception in the team.......
agreed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 16, 2015, 09:47:20 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on April 16, 2015, 11:51:19 AM
Well, they didn't like Pepe Mel's high pressing game and now they maybe don't like sitting back either. Perhaps they just want to arrange some sun loungers in the centre circle and spend the afternoon getting a nice tan!  ;)
its a bit too ambitious to get as far as the centre circle Worcs, maybe for 45 minutes then retreat to the 18 yard box.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on April 17, 2015, 02:14:57 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on April 16, 2015, 03:42:28 PM
Don't know about you but I wouldn't have the courage to say that to Mozza!

I think that he is the exception in the team.......

I would  :) whether i get a slap or not is irrelevant just how i feel about this bunch at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 17, 2015, 02:52:49 AM
just have to hope we stay up and then he walks like he did at palace… can't see jeremy sacking another…
we lack width and creativity yet here i am watching the cola libatores and sebastian blanco is looking pretty tricky for san lorenzo… another one not given a chance.

we will never play foreign players under pulls
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on April 17, 2015, 04:17:19 AM
There's still something wrong at the Club....don't know what it is but you can sense it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on April 17, 2015, 07:48:40 AM
Quote from: robnewbold on April 17, 2015, 04:17:19 AM
There's still something wrong at the Club....don't know what it is but you can sense it.

It's the one things that's been a constant for the last 2/3 years. Complacent, over-the-hill players. Not all of them, but a hand full. Squad needs a massive overhaul AGAIN. All this should've been done last summer with a proper head coach.

Pulis doesn't have my 100% backing anymore and he has a lot of proving to do but I do hope he gets in full backs and wingers that will be used and used as outlets.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on April 17, 2015, 08:44:33 AM
The problem clearly must be the squad of players.

For the same squad of players to be here for 3-4 different head coaches/managers, and we still seem to be struggling, then it clear to see its not all the coaches fault.

I think some of the longer serving players, who seem to have lost their desire, need to be moved on.

For example, Olsson, Mulumbu etc, all good servants but time to move on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on April 17, 2015, 09:44:57 AM
I am sure some players are problematic as any manager will find in his squad. Unfortunately hanging our longest serving players out to dry is not the answer.

Answers lie within the facts that our manager fails to play a full back or winger in the first 11 and low and behold these are the positions which become problematic on match days.

Everyone knew what they were signing up to with Pulis so I struggle to understand how people are now going back on their hyped up opinions of him when he was appointed.

We knew we were going to be watching boring unattractive football at home, we knew we would constantly play for a point away from home, British players would be preferred to our established foreigners and finally that realistically it was/is never going to end well with him in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 17, 2015, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on April 17, 2015, 02:52:49 AM
just have to hope we stay up and then he walks like he did at palace… can't see jeremy sacking another…
we lack width and creativity yet here i am watching the cola libatores and sebastian blanco is looking pretty tricky for san lorenzo… another one not given a chance.

we will never play foreign players under pulls

that's right we never play Sessegnon, Anichebe, Ideye or Yacob. Mulumbu and Olsson never get a game off the bench either.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on April 17, 2015, 02:14:26 PM
Quote from: WSBaggie on April 17, 2015, 09:44:57 AM
I am sure some players are problematic as any manager will find in his squad. Unfortunately hanging our longest serving players out to dry is not the answer.

Answers lie within the facts that our manager fails to play a full back or winger in the first 11 and low and behold these are the positions which become problematic on match days.

Everyone knew what they were signing up to with Pulis so I struggle to understand how people are now going back on their hyped up opinions of him when he was appointed.

We knew we were going to be watching boring unattractive football at home, we knew we would constantly play for a point away from home, British players would be preferred to our established foreigners and finally that realistically it was/is never going to end well with him in charge.

So what are you saying? You want West Bromwich Albion to be a retirement home for footballers past their best, like somewhere where racehorses get sent when they are too old to race?! It's nothing to do with hanging them out to dry as you put it. The same old players have not taken us any further forward for years now. It is time to move them all on. It's getting like a stuck record.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 02:18:41 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on April 17, 2015, 01:39:57 PM
that's right we never play Sessegnon, Anichebe, Ideye or Yacob. Mulumbu and Olsson never get a game off the bench either.

Ok tell me some players Pulis has signed from overseas? You can use his entire managerial career...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 17, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 02:18:41 PM
Ok tell me some players Pulis has signed from overseas? You can use his entire managerial career...
Well, There's Begovic...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 17, 2015, 02:44:16 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 02:18:41 PM
Ok tell me some players Pulis has signed from overseas? You can use his entire managerial career...

Not sure of players signed directly from overseas but he has signed plenty of foreign players from clubs in this country, Robert Huth, Amdy Faye, Steven N'Zonzi, Abdoulaye Faye to name four off the top of my head
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on April 17, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
Well, There's Begovic...

Signed from Pompey.

I mean foreign players he has signed from overseas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 02:54:07 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 17, 2015, 02:44:16 PM
Not sure of players signed directly from overseas but he has signed plenty of foreign players from clubs in this country, Robert Huth, Amdy Faye, Steven N'Zonzi, Abdoulaye Faye to name four off the top of my head

Foreign but all signed from English clubs.

Pulis doesn't trust  unproven players who haven't played over here, which severely shortens your net when recruiting, nor does he trust youth players, if anyone can provide evidence to the contrary I'd be glad to hear it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 17, 2015, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 02:49:57 PM
Signed from Pompey.

I mean foreign players he has signed from overseas.

Only ones I can see are Geoff Cameron and Brek Shea both signed from the US. Seems to prefer players who know the league. Is that a good thing or bad thing ? not sure but we ourselves have signed some from overseas that have made no impression.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 17, 2015, 02:57:39 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 02:54:07 PM
Foreign but all signed from English clubs.

Pulis doesn't trust  unproven players who haven't played over here, which severely shortens your net when recruiting, nor does he trust youth players, if anyone can provide evidence to the contrary I'd be glad to hear it.

I did say signed from clubs in this country, I don't expect any different this Summer to be honest. As I said earlier not sure if its a good thing or bad thing.

I'm not expecting anything spectacular and I hope he does what I wanted the bloke we appointed to do whether it was Pulis or not, get the dressing room sorted, give us a solid base again and let someone else with better tactical nous come in to move us on a bit and put a stop to the untried, untested appontments we become accustomed to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on April 17, 2015, 03:07:38 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 02:18:41 PM
Ok tell me some players Pulis has signed from overseas? You can use his entire managerial career...

Is that a problem if its true though?

Gamboa was signed from overseas and for whatever reason he cannot get a game in his prefered position over players playing out of position.

Whether we believe he is good enough is up for debate, but the people who have trained and coached with him all season do not deem him good enough.

Same can be said of Blanco.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 03:11:33 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 17, 2015, 02:54:53 PM
Only ones I can see are Geoff Cameron and Brek Shea both signed from the US. Seems to prefer players who know the league. Is that a good thing or bad thing ? not sure but we ourselves have signed some from overseas that have made no impression.

Its pretty insular to solely tap into one market in my opinion, as I stated, it massively restricts and shortens your net when recruiting.  But not only that, it also means you will likely be paying an inflated premium for players, but Pulis is no stranger to that:

Kitson - £6M
Palacios - £8M
Crouch £9M
Jones - £8.5M
Whitehead - £5M
Tuncay - £5M

So I'd say it's a bad thing, although you could probably save a few quid by making 75% of the scouting network redundant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 17, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 03:11:33 PM
Its pretty insular to only tap into just one market in my opinion, as I stated, it massively restricts and shortens your net when recruiting.  But not only that, it also means you will likely be paying an inflated premium for players, but Pulis is no stranger to that:

Kitson - £6M
Palacios - £8M
Crouch £9M
Jones - £8.5M
Whitehead - £5M
Tuncay - £5M

So I'd say it's a bad thing, although you could probably save a few quid by making 75% of the scouting network redundant.

We've had our own failings as well though, Victor Anichebe being one of the current.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 03:15:57 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 17, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
We've had our own failings as well though, Victor Anichebe being one of the current.

There is obviously both good/bad recruitment from both within and outside these shores but my point is it seems pretty absurd to almost close yourself off entirely from overseas markets, especially considering the comparative value from signing non UK based players, its how we have gained a competitive advantage over recent years, albeit not the last two.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 17, 2015, 03:22:45 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 03:15:57 PM
There is obviously both good/bad recruitment from both within and outside these shores but my point is it seems pretty ridiculous to almost close yourself off entirely from overseas markets, especially considering the comparative value from signing non UK based players, its how we have gained a competitive advantage over recent years, albeit not the last two.

Personally I agree but Pulis obviously prefers players who know the league.

I think at times we have gone too far down the overseas route which is risky trying to fit too many different nationalities together and we've had too much of the get the players in and try to make them fit whereas we need a spell of get the right players in. Time will tell but I think either way its going to be an uninspiring but solid next 18 months or so. Hopefully then we can get someone tactically minded with a squad either open to or capable of embracing new ideas away from the norm.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: monkey nuts on April 17, 2015, 03:23:41 PM
he likes proven premiership players whether they are British or Foreign makes no diff to him just proven players in this league
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 17, 2015, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 02:18:41 PM
Ok tell me some players Pulis has signed from overseas? You can use his entire managerial career...


The original post to which I replied stated that "we will never play any foreign players under Pulis". I produced evidence to show that under Pulis we do play foreign players.

Nothing to do with signing foreign players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on April 17, 2015, 04:25:36 PM
Didnt he sign Pennant aswell for crazy fee.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 17, 2015, 04:45:45 PM
To be honest he can't do worse than the last two seasons where the majority of signings were terrible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 17, 2015, 04:48:33 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on April 17, 2015, 04:25:36 PM
Didnt he sign Pennant aswell for crazy fee.

Pennant was less than £2m. Signor has named pretty much every expensive signing he made.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 17, 2015, 05:03:10 PM
Some fairly uninspiring signings too though:

Micheal Kightly - £3m
Charlie Adam - £5.5m
Eidur Gudjohnson - £2.2m
Deigo Arismendi - £2.64m
James Beattie - £3.52m
Micheal Tonge - £2.5m
Seyi Olifinjana - £3.3m
Ibrahino Sonko - £2.5m

Lots of average players in there, and not for peanuts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 17, 2015, 05:15:12 PM
Quote from: MarkW on April 17, 2015, 05:03:10 PM
Some fairly uninspiring signings too though:

Micheal Kightly - £3m
Charlie Adam - £5.5m
Eidur Gudjohnson - £2.2m
Deigo Arismendi - £2.64m
James Beattie - £3.52m
Micheal Tonge - £2.5m
Seyi Olifinjana - £3.3m
Ibrahino Sonko - £2.5m

Lots of average players in there, and not for peanuts.


Not sure of those fees as like we do they like the undisclosed fees.

Thats the going rate for an average player these days though. Out of that list Adam who cost around £4m apparantely has done reasonably well for them and was considerably less than Liverpool paid for him 12 months earlier.

Again, we've had our success and failures around that price, Luke Moore another who springs to mind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on April 17, 2015, 05:37:47 PM
Quote from: Nathan on April 17, 2015, 02:14:26 PM
So what are you saying? You want West Bromwich Albion to be a retirement home for footballers past their best, like somewhere where racehorses get sent when they are too old to race?! It's nothing to do with hanging them out to dry as you put it. The same old players have not taken us any further forward for years now. It is time to move them all on. It's getting like a stuck record.

No the reason we are a stuck record is because of the management of the team.

Ok let's sell Morrison, Brunt, Olsson and Mulumbu and replace them with who? First things first, we need full backs, wingers and strikers. We should be buying players to improve on those named above and make our squad stronger.

Selling the lot and starting from scratch is a wild dream that simply isn't going to happen
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on April 17, 2015, 05:51:50 PM
Quote from: WSBaggie on April 17, 2015, 05:37:47 PM
No the reason we are a stuck record is because of the management of the team.

Ok let's sell Morrison, Brunt, Olsson and Mulumbu and replace them with who? First things first, we need full backs, wingers and strikers. We should be buying players to improve on those named above and make our squad stronger.

Selling the lot and starting from scratch is a wild dream that simply isn't going to happen

This is obviously up to TP and his sidekicks to decide but I think one thing that is a fact is that these players you've mentioned have taken us as far as they possibly can, we are not going to see any improvement from them. I genuinely feel that they are past their sell by date whilst at the same time accepting that they have been great servants to the club over the years. I know it's a huge leap to make a drastic clean sweep of the squad but when a squad ages at the same time like ours has, sometimes we are left with no choice but to let them all go in one go and recruit some younger,fresher, hungrier talent that will be passionate about representing our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on April 17, 2015, 07:25:24 PM
Quote from: MarkW on April 17, 2015, 05:03:10 PM
Some fairly uninspiring signings too though:

Micheal Kightly - £3m
Charlie Adam - £5.5m
Eidur Gudjohnson - £2.2m
Deigo Arismendi - £2.64m
James Beattie - £3.52m
Micheal Tonge - £2.5m
Seyi Olifinjana - £3.3m
Ibrahino Sonko - £2.5m

Lots of average players in there, and not for peanuts.

They weren't uninspiring at the time though!

Kightly and Olifinjana were the pick of the Dingles team during our Play off Final season and would of enhanced our squad at that time.

Beattie was a good signing for them and again would have done a job at The Hawthorns, as he indeed on many an occasion!

Tonge was immense for Sheff Utd, likewise Sonko at Reading.

All were worth taking a punt on even though they didn't exactly set the PL alight - that was the the market that the likes of us and Stoke were dealing in at that time!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 17, 2015, 09:08:54 PM
To be honest Hodgson was similar in a way to Pulis in his transfer dealings and preference of British players or players who've played in the league before while with us. We signed McAuley, Long, Andrews, Foster, Jones, Gera, Fulop, Long and Ridgewell under Roy and the majority were great signings.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 09:25:16 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3043349/Tony-Pulis-expert-keeping-teams-Premier-League-guide-10.html

Tony Pulis is an expert at keeping teams in the Premier League... but will he ever guide a side into the top 10?

West Brom manager Tony Pulis will receive a hero's welcome when he returns to Crystal Palace on Saturday but in the midst of yet another relegation battle for the 57-year-old, he must wonder if he'll ever be successful at the right end of the Premier League.

For all the expertise Pulis has in keeping clubs in the top flight, a talent that has the everlasting gratitude of Stoke City and Palace supporters, his overall record is one of the worst of any long-serving Premier League manager.
This is his seventh season in the top flight and he's never finished in the top half of the table. If, as expected, Garry Monk's Swansea City don't drop lower than 10th, Pulis will be the only manager in the Premier League with more than 12 months experience who has never finished higher than 11th.

To add to his frustration as he takes the applause of the Palace fans who remember him for masterminding their great escape last season, Pulis will know he isn't yet guaranteed preserving his proud record of never being relegated.

West Brom's home defeats against QPR and Leicester City have left them stuck on 33 points. That is still seven points above the bottom three but with four of their final five fixtures after the weekend coming against Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal, there is not much wriggle-room.

For many, producing statistics to suggest Pulis could have produced better results is heresy. He won promotion with Stoke City and got them to an FA Cup final. He turned Palace's season around 12 months ago and is still favoured to keep Albion up this time.

He is known as a good organiser, a smart tactician and someone who is able to get the best out of players and bend the laws of the game to his advantage.  And yet, why has he never finished higher than 11th, achieved in 2009/10 with Stoke and 20013/14 with Palace?

It is right to say he has never had the best clubs with the most money to manage and yet Sam Allardyce finished sixth with Bolton, Mark Hughes sixth with Blackburn Rovers, Mauricio Pochettino eighth with Southampton and Monk is currently eighth with Swansea City. None of them giants of the game.

Pardew, who has achieved a similar miracle at Palace this season to what Pulis achieved last season, has a top-five finish at Newcastle United on his cv.

Two years ago, Stoke City effectively sacked Pulis, acknowledging the huge contribution he made to the club but feeling he couldn't take them any further. Hughes now has the club sitting in 10th place, higher than Pulis achieved, and on a smaller wages budget.

Pulis will remain plain-speaking til the end. The Welshman won't be able to enjoy his visit to Palace given the importance of the game. 'We need a 90 minutes from the players. I don't care what anyone says, everyone has a go in this division and the lads have to understand that.
'What we have to do is get back to basics and defend properly. Lower league mistakes cost you goals.'
You'd back Pulis' message to keep West Brom up. Whether he can take them to a higher level next season is another question.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 17, 2015, 09:34:03 PM
When were Stoke ever in a relagation battle last? Pulis may have made uninspiring signings but they've established themselves as a solid mid table Prem side under himself and Hughes. I'd say some of our signings over the last few years have been complete dross.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 09:46:13 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on April 17, 2015, 09:34:03 PM
When were Stoke ever in a relagation battle last? Pulis may have made uninspiring signings but they've established themselves as a solid mid table Prem side under himself and Hughes. I'd say some of our signings over the last few years have been complete dross.

The season before Pulis left Stoke they had a net spend (over 5 seasons) of 60.1M the third highest in the Prem, only Chelsea and Man City had a higher net spend, bravo to him on not being directly involved in relegation battles.  I believe they finished in a lofty 14th place in his final season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 17, 2015, 09:52:25 PM
Net spend was high because not many players were sold on. The spine of the Pulis team is the same spine that Mark Hughes uses 2 seasons later. For the West Brom v Stoke game, 8 of the starting XI were Pulis signings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 18, 2015, 12:29:58 AM
Quote from: MarkW on April 17, 2015, 05:03:10 PM
Some fairly uninspiring signings too though:

Micheal Kightly - £3m
Charlie Adam - £5.5m
Eidur Gudjohnson - £2.2m
Deigo Arismendi - £2.64m
James Beattie - £3.52m
Micheal Tonge - £2.5m
Seyi Olifinjana - £3.3m
Ibrahino Sonko - £2.5m

Lots of average players in there, and not for peanuts.
These have arguably turned out into decent signings. Adam is a dirty **** but he does well for them whilst Beattie was pretty good for them in the early days too.

Remember, Pulis was there for 8 years or so...the odds are that he's bound to make some clangers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 18, 2015, 06:52:55 AM
Quote from: lewisant on April 17, 2015, 07:48:40 AM
It's the one things that's been a constant for the last 2/3 years. Complacent, over-the-hill players. Not all of them, but a hand full. Squad needs a massive overhaul AGAIN. All this should've been done last summer with a proper head coach.
It was clearly identified during the close season.
Last summer we brought in full backs to replace Reid and Ridgewell who were allegedly seen to be rubbish/troublesome,  (Pulis doesn't play them.)
We brought a winger to compete with Brunt,  (Pulis released him.)
We brought midfielders in for competition with our "stale" midfield and no doubt give opportunity to release some in due course.. (Pulis picks Gardener on occasion and released the others).
We brought in a first choice centre half to provide competition (Pulis plays all our fit centre halves!)

Most of those that came in were of international standard but our complacent,  over the hill squad  are deemed to be better?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 18, 2015, 07:25:52 AM
Quote from: Legend on April 17, 2015, 09:08:54 PM
To be honest Hodgson was similar in a way to Pulis in his transfer dealings and preference of British players or players who've played in the league before while with us. We signed McAuley, Long, Andrews, Foster, Jones, Gera, Fulop, Long and Ridgewell under Roy and the majority were great signings.

The word "great" is somewhat over-used here!

McAuley and Foster were "great" signings by our standards.

Long flattered to deceive.
Andrews made a decent impact in his short stay.
Jones was decent but certainly not "great" (although I sure wish we had kept him)
Gera was a shadow of his former self and suffered a bad injury
Fulop - just no!
Ridgewell - did a job ok



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 18, 2015, 08:38:18 AM
It is no small wonder that the squad does not match TP's requirements because it was not assembled to play Pulisball. In terms of recruitment his record suggests that he will focus on proven British based players. There are two reasons for this firstly Pulis does not develop players and is purely concerned with the here and now and secondly outside these islands very few teams play in the rigid 4-4-2 that Pulis always adopts.

Does it matter? Compared to what he had at Stoke he will have less money to spend so therefore the quality of the players we will bring in is likely to be not as good. It might not be unworkable if we were just topping up a squad that was essentially fit for purpose but it is a major problem if we are doing a  rebuilding job.

We will not do the equivalent of the Peter Crouch deal i.e. £10m fee (more likely to be £15m now) and big wages on a 30 year old with no sell on value. It was this issue that lead to his departure at Palace and ultimately might see him depart the Hawthorns.  The budget won't change and Peace might give him a bigger say in recruitment but he won't sanction deals that undermine the club's finances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on April 18, 2015, 08:58:31 AM
If he hasn't noticed that everyone has twigged that Dawson at RB is our weakest spot then he isn't much of a manager.  Expect Palace to go at Dawson from the off today if we go 442 with him there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 18, 2015, 08:59:08 AM
Pulls will deserve respect if he keeps us up this year.  with a poor, unbalanced,  stale and ageing squad. I'll 'properly' judge him next year. Hopefully that's in the premier league and not the champ!?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on April 18, 2015, 10:42:41 AM
I have said it before but i think Pulis is a good manager but just not the right man for us and us not the right club for him.

If i was him, i would keep us up (which i think he just about will) then walk away, his reputation intact and he can then go into more of a long term role, maybe a club that is coming up or is only one or two seasons into the Premiership, where he can really mould the club the way he wants.

The problem i think he has is that he cant really better what we achieved in the league from the 11th to 8th place finishes and because of the style, its hard to get excited about us, fans already seen a bit cant wait for the season to end, the same as its been the last two seasons, really its been like that since start of March and when the season is 8 or 9 months and the last 3 months you cant wait for it to be over, it dont bode well.

Pulis did an amazing job at Stoke,he got them up, then kept them up and established them, (Megson was similar for us in some ways) and because of that he could get away with the Pulis way, his results backed his way up. At Palace they were going down and he did miracles to keep them up, again a great job.

However I think because we are potentially going into our 6th season in the Premiership. whether we like it or not, the expectancy amongst the fans is more than the Pulis style of football, there is a middle ground between tippy tappy and the old Wimbledon but i think the way we have setup for away games and now appear to be doing the same at home, has done Pulis no favours, and from what Stoke fans say, home may be a siege mentality but away will be what we are currently seeing.

If Pulis had come in say at the end of the Hodgson era i think he would of been fine, however since then the club went backwards after a promising few months under Clarke and there has been little to get excited about.

I dont think Pulis is to blame for most of the negativity, thats the combination of the last couple of years, us fans want something to get excited about and unfortunately, the Pulis way probably isnt that way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on April 18, 2015, 02:27:31 PM
As predictable as Irvine with his team selections. Thought he would be more ruthless when dealing with complacency. Oh well a forced change the only one after last weeks joke!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 18, 2015, 05:28:02 PM
Well done today Mr Pulis. 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on April 18, 2015, 05:38:05 PM
Not pretty and we gave the ball away too cheaply but I think the tactics were sound today. If we'd come on to them and been gung ho they would have murdered us with their pace. The time to judge Pulis will be next season after he's had time to bring in players. I'm hopeful he is the man to give us the stability we need so that we can push on to the next level as a club ie - top 10 or there abouts, competitive in cup competitions, improve the club's infrastructure (high time we expanded the ground)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 18, 2015, 05:44:31 PM
Pulis has a great record against his previous clubs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 18, 2015, 05:48:07 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 18, 2015, 05:44:31 PM
Pulis has a great record against his previous clubs.
you could argue it's because he set all of them up the same way, so he knows how to counter it.

Case in point, our strategy hadn't changed from the last two games to this one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 18, 2015, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 18, 2015, 05:44:31 PM
Pulis has a great record against his previous clubs.
Yes indeed good job lads
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on April 18, 2015, 07:01:00 PM
Should be safe now with 5 games to go, jeeze Pulis is boring.. hoped it would have gone to the last day :D :D

Be interesting to see how we play the last 5 games with less pressure.

Interestingly Pardew pointed out that Pulis's knowledge of how Palace set up on corners led to our first goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on April 18, 2015, 10:14:17 PM
Quote from: addy on April 18, 2015, 07:01:00 PM
Interestingly Pardew pointed out that Pulis's knowledge of how Palace set up on corners led to our first goal.

urine poor excuse/observation from Pardew.
Pulis left before the season started. Pardew is their second boss since that departure.
Between them both he and his predecessor will have had enough time to re organise defensive line ups at set pieces.

If he knew that Pulis knew what he knew, then he knew he should make changes regarding what Pulis knew.

Or summat like that anyway.... :).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 18, 2015, 11:12:01 PM
Bloody genius for getting a performance like that out of the players who performed as they did in the previous two games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 18, 2015, 11:31:40 PM
I'll judge him come the end of next season when he has had a summer to rebuild.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 18, 2015, 11:48:56 PM
For the first time in probably 3 years I don't watch the game today. Seems like I'd better not watch any other games seeing as we pulled out a win from nowhere. Big result for Pulis and a bigger result for Albion.

Safety is essential if Peace is to attract the right buyer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 18, 2015, 11:57:54 PM
Quote from: frazzle on April 18, 2015, 11:48:56 PM
For the first time in probably 3 years I don't watch the game today. Seems like I'd better not watch any other games seeing as we pulled out a win from nowhere. Big result for Pulis and a bigger result for Albion.

Safety is essential if Peace is to attract the right buyer.

And the added bonus is that it looks like the Dingles could miss out on promotion - 2 or 3 of their players are well worth us trying to land! 

A welcome relief today after the misery of the last two Saturdays
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 19, 2015, 12:24:05 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 18, 2015, 11:57:54 PM
And the added bonus is that it looks like the Dingles could miss out on promotion - 2 or 3 of their players are well worth us trying to land! 

A welcome relief today after the misery of the last two Saturdays

Yep. So long as I don't watch any of our remaining games we should be fine :-)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on April 19, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
he has worked wonders for me and kept us in the prem, 36 should be enough, I can see a few points coming against these top side we have to play, I think 40 points is more or less the mark we will hit.

Summer to rebuild, he has admitted a clear out is required and then a successful season where I believe a top ten finish is realistic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba1993dave on April 19, 2015, 11:45:06 AM
Bit quiet this topic after a fantastic win.  :P ;)  Really looking forward to the summer when TP can sort us out properly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brummyroader on April 19, 2015, 12:02:41 PM
Well I'm glad that the mass over-reaction of the last two games has died down a little but not as much as I hoped. Pulis was appointed to keep us in the PL, he has virtually with 5 games to go I would say a very good achievement and when the fixtures came out a place where we wanted to be. Remember a lot of fans were crying over how bad we were with AI and Pulis with two signings (only one that has played decent minutes) has turned us round into a largely solid outfit. I wasn't in the AI out camp but after standing at Stoke for a cold 90 mins even I conceded that it wasn't looking terribly good. We have had very good home wins over Stoke, Southampton, Swansea & West Ham all teams that we want to be challenging in the mid-table league next year. Admittedly the 1st half v QPR and 2nd half v Leicester were below par but the results could have swayed on different days - under TP we have bounced back pretty well from setbacks after Villa v Stoke as well as yesterday, Idon't think he has had much credit for this. The style isn't pretty but by and large he has been getting results as the table shows, we all are baffled with some decisions particularly with full backs and Sess at times but whilst accomplishing the results he has it has generally been working - remember it wasn't particulary under AI. This summer will be crucial to how I do judge him in the long term - we all know the recruitment is key but until then I think we should give him more credit for the job he has done up to know and not press the panic button after every below average match. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 19, 2015, 12:23:01 PM
I agree with you completely, TP deserves a lot of credit for calming the club down from the melodrama which seemed to be surrounding ius during the past 18months. He's an old head with tried and trusted methods (yes not always pretty).  He'll build from the back and have us playing a committed brand of hopefully winning football. It's the medicine we need to take now to get better and rebuild the first team squad. We don't want to sound like Villa in never being happy and harping on about our famous history. Staying up is progress as it means we can compete for better players. Maybe we'll be sold and along with shifting out a few from the current squad, it'll enable us to add 5 or 6 first team players ( not squad players).

I'm definitely in the wait and see camp with TP until the end is next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on April 19, 2015, 12:30:24 PM
I think the bloke is a genius tactical wise, can you imagine if he had a full 22 or so players to pick from that he trusted.

i was worried after the Leicester game, i forgot we now have a proper manager.

I also have to hold my hand up about Myhill, he was good today.

Roll on the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 19, 2015, 01:09:22 PM
My view of a manager or head coach won't change on the basis of one game and in many ways Palace who have lots of pace and can be really effective on the counter attack are ideal victims of Pulisball. How can you counter attack a team that doesn't attack? Pace can be negated by compacting the pitch and getting bodies behind the ball in a way I would be more scared of Palace at home than away.

It looks increasingly likely that Pulis has completed the first part of the mission albeit not as comfortably as he might of but hopefully without taking it to the wire. This was the bit that I expected him to achieve and whilst not particularly liking the style it was achieved in I am perfectly happy to take another season in the Premier League.

We are now approaching the stage where my reservations will either be born out or prove to be groundless and I have to wait but make no mistake the Pulisball revolution is about to start in earnest.   

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 19, 2015, 04:35:17 PM
Look at our back 4 yesterday, McAuley completed FOUR successful passes all game.  While Dawson and Brunt pass completion was 43% and 46%.  These are Premiership footballers.  What sort of balls were thy playing to have such atrocious stats..   Is winning like this sustainable? Viva la Pulisball, FFS.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 19, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
They must learn to pass to our own side.
Look how many throws that Brunt took and how many found our own players...I think it was one !
He can't even throw to players, never mind pass under duress.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 19, 2015, 05:49:42 PM
Tony Pulis has kept a side that wasn't going down from going down. The man is a genius.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 19, 2015, 06:00:35 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 19, 2015, 05:49:42 PM
Tony Pulis has kept a side that was going down from going down. The man is a genius.

I agree ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on April 19, 2015, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 19, 2015, 04:35:17 PM
Look at our back 4 yesterday, McAuley completed FOUR successful passes all game.  While Dawson and Brunt pass completion was 43% and 46%.  These are Premiership footballers.  What sort of balls were thy playing to have such atrocious stats..   Is winning like this sustainable? Viva la Pulisball, FFS.

This squad of players have been alarmingly inconsistent in recent years and perhaps this is not surprising for club who has a battle against relegation more often than not.

He can only work with what he has got and he has almost done what he came in to do.
We will never play possession football under him but maybe our Pulisball will improve next season with some new recruits in the Summer?

One thing is for sure, he will put a reliable back four in place and this will give us a platform to play and go at the opposition more than we are doing now.

Chelsea are on a totally different planet to us on every level but even with all their talent and riches they are not adverse to stifling the opposition and grinding out results.
Winning the title this season will not be the first trophy they have secured by winning ugly!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on April 19, 2015, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 19, 2015, 05:49:42 PM
Tony Pulis has kept a side that wasn't going down from going down. The man is a genius.

You really need to drop your alan irvine love in and grasp some basic facts
We would have been bottom of the table now if we had retained the services of your hero
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 19, 2015, 07:53:56 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 19, 2015, 05:49:42 PM
Tony Pulis has kept a side that wasn't going down from going down. The man is a genius.
what proof is there to support the team was going to survive with AI?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brummyroader on April 19, 2015, 07:57:41 PM
Half the time fans are slagging off players for not being good enough then TP keeps us up and he's done what anyone else could of done :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 19, 2015, 07:59:55 PM
Irvine was never given the players he wanted so hard to judge him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on April 19, 2015, 08:08:52 PM
Quote from: Legend on April 19, 2015, 07:59:55 PM
Irvine was never given the players he wanted so hard to judge him.

Nor was Pepe Mel. At least Irvine got a decent amount of games to prove himself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 19, 2015, 08:22:05 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 19, 2015, 04:35:17 PM
Look at our back 4 yesterday, McAuley completed FOUR successful passes all game.  While Dawson and Brunt pass completion was 43% and 46%.  These are Premiership footballers. What sort of balls were thy playing to have such atrocious stats..   Is winning like this sustainable? Viva la Pulisball, FFS.

These ones:

Dawson:

(http://i.imgur.com/BMFkiFHl.png)

Brunt:

(http://i.imgur.com/5y5vQ9Ul.png)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 19, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on April 19, 2015, 07:53:56 PM
what proof is there to support the team was going to survive with AI?
This is neither criticism of Pulis nor support for Irvine. It is actually recognition that the team are not as bad as some will make them out to be. Read through all my posts and never once have I doubted we would go down (although I did almost waiver when we lost to QPR and Leicester at home, probably the worst two and most unexpected results of the season).

There is no proof the team was going to survive under Irvine like there is no proof that they were going to be relegated.

I would point to the fact that we have never been in the front three with the bookies to be relegated (that I am aware of) nor been in the bottom three since our fourth game. We have had poor runs under both Irvine and Pulis (and I expect very little between now and the end of the season,  maybe a result against Newcastle who have been woeful before and following the departure of Alan Pardew)

I admit, I am no fan of Pulis but have already acknowledged that the circumstances were such that it was probably right to dismiss Irvine. I have also stated that for the benefit of the club we need some stability (and better forwards) and therefore am loathed to make another change of coach but for the long term future of the club and moving us forward I hope we move on from  Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 19, 2015, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: wbako on April 19, 2015, 08:08:52 PM
Nor was Pepe Mel. At least Irvine got a decent amount of games to prove himself.
Wouldn't disagree but this isn't about Mel or Irvine.  Is Pulis the right man to take us forward? He may never have been relegated and will do everything in his power to prevent that from changing but is that the right thing for this club? Based on the style of play he has shown at Stoke and so far this season is anyone really excited about staying up?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 19, 2015, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 19, 2015, 08:45:20 PM
Wouldn't disagree but this isn't about Mel or Irvine.  Is Pulis the right man to take us forward? He may never have been relegated and will do everything in his power to prevent that from changing but is that the right thing for this club? Based on the style of play he has shown at Stoke and so far this season is anyone really excited about staying up?

I doubt he is the man to take us forward but hopefully he is the man to put us on a solid footing after the past couple of years to allow someone with a bit more tactical nous to come in to take us forward and not go back to the untried, untested, inexperienced "coaches" we have had recently. Also hopefully he can sort out the dressing room and take some power away from players who seem to like dictating what they want to do and how they want to go about doing it.

Its not going to be pretty, never expected any different. Not been excited about staying in the Prem for a few years, hate the league and all its stands for. A club at our level of finance will never challenge or achieve a European place and in the unlikely event we do then we have to deal with more games/ travelling with a limited squad again due to our finances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on April 19, 2015, 08:51:28 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 19, 2015, 08:45:20 PM
Wouldn't disagree but this isn't about Mel or Irvine.  Is Pulis the right man to take us forward? He may never have been relegated and will do everything in his power to prevent that from changing but is that the right thing for this club? Based on the style of play he has shown at Stoke and so far this season is anyone really excited about staying up?

Anyone who has followed my posts over the years knows that having Pulis in charge of my club is pretty much a living hell for me. He hasn't changed my opinion as of yet. Although we won yesterday, the style of plan was gut wrenching for me to watch. He'll keep us up I'm sure, but the future isn't pretty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 19, 2015, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 19, 2015, 08:51:02 PM
I doubt he is the man to take us forward but hopefully he is the man to put us on a solid footing after the past couple of years to allow someone with a bit more tactical nous to come in to take us forward and not go back to the untried, untested, inexperienced "coaches" we have had recently. Also hopefully he can sort out the dressing room and take some power away from players who seem to like dictating what they want to do and how they want to go about doing it.

Its not going to be pretty, never expected any different. Not been excited about staying in the Prem for a few years, hate the league and all its stands for. A club at our level of finance will never challenge or achieve a European place and in the unlikely event we do then we have to deal with more games/ travelling with a limited squad again due to our finances.
Player power no doubt exists, it does at every club and ours is no exception.  To suggest that this is a bad thing is wrong in my opinion.  I do not think Pepe Mel was well treated but it is my belief that the senior professionals kept us up last season.  I bought into the philosophy of Pepe Mel but with the best will in the world the squad that we had last season were not capable of playing in the manner he wanted them to (and therefore he was a bad appointment) and had we tried we would quite possibly have failed. If we had wanted to support Mel's approach then we could have made the changes during the summer.  Something happened at the club during those few months to make JP think that Mel was not the answer.

However,  getting back to topic, TP and his philosophy on football does not get me excited on a Saturday morning.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 19, 2015, 09:18:44 PM
Quote from: wbako on April 19, 2015, 08:51:28 PM
Anyone who has followed my posts over the years knows that having Pulis in charge of my club is pretty much a living hell for me. He hasn't changed my opinion as of yet. Although we won yesterday, the style of plan was gut wrenching for me to watch. He'll keep us up I'm sure, but the future isn't pretty.
Yet a similar manager Megson got us here in the first place.Realities need to be addressed as to what we can achieve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 19, 2015, 09:28:49 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on April 19, 2015, 09:18:44 PM
Yet a similar manager Megson got us here in the first place.Realities need to be addressed as to what we can achieve.
You're not wrong;  Megson got us here.... and then moved on to allow us to move forward.

I am under no illusion that we are a club making up the numbers in the bottom half of the Premier League, I just want to have some enjoyment watching the team I have supported for over 40 years trying to win games rather than not lose them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 19, 2015, 09:32:01 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 19, 2015, 04:35:17 PM
Look at our back 4 yesterday, McAuley completed FOUR successful passes all game.  While Dawson and Brunt pass completion was 43% and 46%.  These are Premiership footballers.  What sort of balls were thy playing to have such atrocious stats..   Is winning like this sustainable? Viva la Pulisball, FFS.
Bit of a hobby horse of mine but ...passing is fairly easy if your team-mates are moving into space and looking for the ball. On the other hand if nobody moves it becomes difficult. Generally our movement as a team is pretty abysmal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 19, 2015, 09:40:14 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 19, 2015, 09:32:01 PM
Bit of a hobby horse of mine but ...passing is fairly easy if your team-mates are moving into space and looking for the ball. On the other hand if nobody moves it becomes difficult. Generally our movement as a team is pretty abysmal.
I'd agree with this; when teams press us it can really damage us as some of the movement in the middle is non-existant.
Personally I don't care if our pass completion and possession in a game was 5% as long as we win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 19, 2015, 09:50:41 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 19, 2015, 09:16:44 PM
Player power no doubt exists, it does at every club and ours is no exception.  To suggest that this is a bad thing is wrong in my opinion.  I do not think Pepe Mel was well treated but it is my belief that the senior professionals kept us up last season.  I bought into the philosophy of Pepe Mel but with the best will in the world the squad that we had last season were not capable of playing in the manner he wanted them to (and therefore he was a bad appointment) and had we tried we would quite possibly have failed. If we had wanted to support Mel's approach then we could have made the changes during the summer.  Something happened at the club during those few months to make JP think that Mel was not the answer.

However,  getting back to topic, TP and his philosophy on football does not get me excited on a Saturday morning.

Player power works well when done correctly, when it makes you come across as a bunch of spoilt brats and giving little respect to the man appointed by your employer then it is not the right way, that is where is applies to Pulis which is on topic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on April 20, 2015, 03:08:15 AM
I just hate to think of what we will look like, as a squad, after a Pulis led, and designed, major overhaul....

Yes, we need to shift a large number of players BUT I do not believe that he is the man to do it..

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on April 20, 2015, 03:50:55 AM
Quote from: wba1993dave on April 19, 2015, 11:45:06 AM
Bit quiet this topic after a fantastic win.  :P ;)  Really looking forward to the summer when TP can sort us out properly.

Pulis got all the breaks against Palace (who looked a bit on the beach to me). We scored on our first corner, so we never had to chase the game thus showing our pitiful lack of creativity and mobility, and Gardner scored one of his once or twice a season wordlies. Anyone can win a game where everything goes your way.

I'm so bored already I hope Pulis walks in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chipperclark on April 20, 2015, 06:18:14 AM
 >:( All the Pulis bashing I am sick of it,he was given this Agenda.

 1. Work with the players we have.
 2. Keep us up.
 3. Play to your style, you have full control of the team.
 4. Get rid of the "deadwood"at seasons end.
 5. Build up a competitive squad for 2015/2016.

He has achieved the first 3 points. His hands are now tied until the end of the season?? I can't understand what a lot of people on here want? "Play like Brazil"says Pardew and we stuff them at their place. I am more than happy where we are...thank you TP (I take my cap off to you..pardon the pun!!). ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 20, 2015, 06:27:47 AM
Pulis built strong foundations (defensive based but with wingers ) at Stoke. He did the same in his short spell at Palace. At both places he was followed by more attack minded managers who are reaping the benefits of his defensive work (bit like Clarke following Roy if you ask me).

Irvine simply wasn't a strong enough character to impose the big squad turnover we needed in my view nor (by his own admission since being sacked) was he an experienced enough number 1 to stamp his mark on our club.

If TP makes us solid next year and progresses us the year after I'd be happy to move on to a more attack minded manager then and be like Stoke or Palace are now. Maybe some of us football perfectionists had better look away now and again over the next year although I remember enjoying similar tactics under Megson actually!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on April 20, 2015, 07:41:57 AM
I think the most important thing is stability.

I was very upset after the Leicester game, but after seeing LC win their third game in a row over the weekend, it should come as no surprise that they were up for it. I think deep down TP would admit that he got it wrong for that game, but he needs to learn from it and progress. If he keeps playing that type of football then I think the fans will slowly drop off.

That being said, going back to my original point, I think the stability will come if we give him time. It's about time we start giving managers a fair amount of time, instead of doing something one season and then sacking them because we haven't avoided the drop by Christmas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 20, 2015, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: 17GD on April 20, 2015, 07:41:57 AM
I think the most important thing is stability.

I was very upset after the Leicester game, but after seeing LC win their third game in a row over the weekend, it should come as no surprise that they were up for it. I think deep down TP would admit that he got it wrong for that game, but he needs to learn from it and progress. If he keeps playing that type of football then I think the fans will slowly drop off.

That being said, going back to my original point, I think the stability will come if we give him time. It's about time we start giving managers a fair amount of time, instead of doing something one season and then sacking them because we haven't avoided the drop by Christmas.

I agree on stability and while it is matter of personal angst that the music seems to have stopped with Pulis in the Head Coach's chair what we probably don't need as a club is another change. However unless he falls out with Peace or a new owner I would expect him to stick around for another couple of seasons at least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on April 20, 2015, 04:07:27 PM
Let's put the 'moving forward' to one side and pick up on the former managers, their purpose for being brought in and their achievements:

Megson - stop us being relegated. Came in when we looked dead in the water. Got us competitive, got us up the league, got us promoted. Wasn't pretty but everyone here has to give him credit for starting the ball rolling on 'West Bromwich Albion, Premier League Club'. Did his job to forward us as a team.

Robson - stepped into the fray after Megson 'resigned' mid-season to keep us up. Had a miraculous escape and then a dreadful surrender the season after. Did his primary objective of keeping us up, but not of keeping us there.

Mowbray - get us back up out of the tough championship following relegation. He chose to do it by attacking every team that came at us. Style improved under him and he acheived his main goal of getting us up second time of asking. When he left we needed to get a manager in to get us back up. Acheived his main goal of getting us back up, style was irrelevant and not his purpose.

RDM - get us promoted. Did that behind a Newcastle team too good for the Championship. Didn't have enough to keep us there, and most felt at the time wrongly sacked. Acheived his purpose of taking us up.

Hodgson - keep us up. Did that, made us hard to beat, shot us up to over achieving plucky Albion and set us fans up for 'wanting more'. Stablised the club but we weren't exactly unstable before.

Clarke - keep us up, move up the league. Did that off the back of Hodgson's work, highest PL finish. Lot of destabilising happened and when he left after results plummeted, left the club needing someone to regalvanise the fans and players.

Mel - keep us up. Did that, just about despite players disliking him. Got fans on side and made the gap between club and fans seem at it's largest for years. Sacked despite most fans not feeling that was just. Left the club with a lot of bridges to be built between owners and fans.

Irvine - get fans back onside and keep us up. Failed at the first, but the club put in the work there. Couldn't finish the season to acheive the second. Left us needing a ship steadier and someone who wouldn't let player power run the place.

Pulis - save our season. Done (pretty much). Stablise the club as a Premier League team like the Hodgson years.

So what is moving on from here? Stabilisation? Pushing for Europe? He's been brought into keep us safe and done well so far. Put your conceptions about 'style' or 'nice football' aside - nice football isn't 'moving on'. Moving on is achieving the next step in a logical series of goals. I'd suggest ours is to rebuild a team that looks comfortable in this league, return us to pre Clarke Albion (or first season Clarke football). Moving on is to get us back to solid 10+ place in the league, then after that is pushing for top 6-7, both of which require investment from the club and can't usually be acheived by managerial work alone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on April 20, 2015, 07:19:31 PM
For me, moving on next season would be to do the following:

+ Sign some quality in the summer and consider bringing in some pace down the width

+ Have another good cup run

+ Finish in the top half

I feel that these are reasonable targets and successfully completing these will enable us to progress even further the following season. Simply trying to avoid the drop every year is becoming a little dull.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 20, 2015, 07:27:28 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on April 20, 2015, 04:07:27 PM
Let's put the 'moving forward' to one side and pick up on the former managers, their purpose for being brought in and their achievements:

Megson - stop us being relegated. Came in when we looked dead in the water. Got us competitive, got us up the league, got us promoted. Wasn't pretty but everyone here has to give him credit for starting the ball rolling on 'West Bromwich Albion, Premier League Club'. Did his job to forward us as a team.

Robson - stepped into the fray after Megson 'resigned' mid-season to keep us up. Had a miraculous escape and then a dreadful surrender the season after. Did his primary objective of keeping us up, but not of keeping us there.

Mowbray - get us back up out of the tough championship following relegation. He chose to do it by attacking every team that came at us. Style improved under him and he acheived his main goal of getting us up second time of asking. When he left we needed to get a manager in to get us back up. Acheived his main goal of getting us back up, style was irrelevant and not his purpose.

RDM - get us promoted. Did that behind a Newcastle team too good for the Championship. Didn't have enough to keep us there, and most felt at the time wrongly sacked. Acheived his purpose of taking us up.

Hodgson - keep us up. Did that, made us hard to beat, shot us up to over achieving plucky Albion and set us fans up for 'wanting more'. Stablised the club but we weren't exactly unstable before.

Clarke - keep us up, move up the league. Did that off the back of Hodgson's work, highest PL finish. Lot of destabilising happened and when he left after results plummeted, left the club needing someone to regalvanise the fans and players.

Mel - keep us up. Did that, just about despite players disliking him. Got fans on side and made the gap between club and fans seem at it's largest for years. Sacked despite most fans not feeling that was just. Left the club with a lot of bridges to be built between owners and fans.

Irvine - get fans back onside and keep us up. Failed at the first, but the club put in the work there. Couldn't finish the season to acheive the second. Left us needing a ship steadier and someone who wouldn't let player power run the place.

Pulis - save our season. Done (pretty much). Stablise the club as a Premier League team like the Hodgson years.

So what is moving on from here? Stabilisation? Pushing for Europe? He's been brought into keep us safe and done well so far. Put your conceptions about 'style' or 'nice football' aside - nice football isn't 'moving on'. Moving on is achieving the next step in a logical series of goals. I'd suggest ours is to rebuild a team that looks comfortable in this league, return us to pre Clarke Albion (or first season Clarke football). Moving on is to get us back to solid 10+ place in the league, then after that is pushing for top 6-7, both of which require investment from the club and can't usually be acheived by managerial work alone.
Accepting what you say above - how long do you fairly give a manager to acheive moving on/consolidation to 10th place or so? Not saying TP or anybody but surely the post holder (TP at present) should be given at least 2 years! We cant keep chopping & changing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ComebackStrodds on April 20, 2015, 07:34:46 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on April 20, 2015, 07:27:28 PM
Accepting what you say above - how long do you fairly give a manager to acheive moving on/consolidation to 10th place or so? Not saying TP or anybody but surely the post holder (TP at present) should be given at least 2 years! We cant keep chopping & changing!

I think 2 years is a decent crack of the whip, loads of time to put his stamp on things.
Can anyone remember Alan Buckley getting awarded a two year contract on the back of a horrific 12 game winless streak? Those were the days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on April 20, 2015, 07:53:05 PM
Quote from: ComebackStrodds on April 20, 2015, 07:34:46 PM
I think 2 years is a decent crack of the whip, loads of time to put his stamp on things.
Can anyone remember Alan Buckley getting awarded a two year contract on the back of a horrific 12 game winless streak? Those were the days.

Personally, I think that in our current position, requiring a significant overhaul, which could take up to 3 transfer windows to sort, 3 years would be a reasonable length of contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 20, 2015, 07:59:27 PM
The Albion cycle will keep going round in cartwheels.

After Pulis we'll appoint a number two, someone like Steve Round and then we'll end up sacking him after twelve months and we will be searching the market for another Pulis to come and save us.

Pulis is a short term appointment. He's not the sort of person I'd want planning the long term future of my football club. Personally, I'd want somebody with a bit more vision. At the end of the day, we as a football club only have ourselves to blame for the Pulis appointment. We have made a number of cocks up in recruitment and managerial appointments which has since lead us to TP. If we're taking about how long he will be here for then I get the impression Peace would want a safe pair of hands so nothing jeopordises his sale of the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on April 20, 2015, 08:10:27 PM
I think we better get real, there's no where to move forward to, FFP has restricted us, we will be with the same teams staying mid to bottom table fighting it out every year. Our only chance is bringing a blinding youth team through who all turn out to be world class, we sell them as they will want to move on to better things  and then can invest in the squad... spend what you earn.

The problem is whenever we get a world class potential youth player Chelscum and Liverpond poach them for meagre sums.

It's the never ending cycle of football at the moment and you get no reward for being a well run club who stays out of debt, the top teams are so protected when they fall foul of FFP they get a fine....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 20, 2015, 08:29:12 PM
In terms of benchmark we will typically have the 14th biggest wage bill the Premier League and therefore in terms of league position 14th represents par and a top half finish represents a good season. From where we are a season of not being involved in the relegation scrap at any stage would represent progress almost regardless of our finishing place.

I do think we need to focus on the cups but there is an element of luck here but given that we are Premier League side and therefore should have a playing staff that is better than most other sides in the competitions we should be able to make the last eight of one the cup's every other year.

I hate to have negative indicators as targets but we should never go out to a team from a lower division. To do so implies we either fielded a weakened team or worse still fielded a strong team that lacked tactical nous or motivation.   

How long should a manager be given? Two whole seasons minimum anything else is pretty much meaningless and even then stuff happens that is totally and utterly beyond a coach's control so fans do need to cut managers a little bit more slack at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on April 20, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
given where we are in the transfer market pecking order (at the end of the list for players of the quality we need / desire) plus the likelihood that our targets will have to be big, english speaking work-a-holics., i think it will take TP at least another 3 windows to
a) get players in with a full pre-season (so I'm thinking that this summer, players will be in too late)
b) get the quantity of players required to optimum level as a squad.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 20, 2015, 09:11:24 PM
Well in the window he bought Flecher and McManaman hardly hulking although are British based.He also went fot a big striker who as we only have 3 was a sensible move.
I will wait and see who he brings in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on April 20, 2015, 09:35:28 PM
i thought Huth was great against us and watched him saturday and he played well again, I think he is someone we could look at.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on April 20, 2015, 10:01:23 PM
hope he leaves asap, I aint going anymore whilst he is in charge unless he drastically changes tactics next season ,don't think il ever forgive him for the villa cup game selection,its the worst football ive ever seen at the albion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on April 20, 2015, 10:17:42 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on April 20, 2015, 10:01:23 PM
hope he leaves asap, I aint going anymore whilst he is in charge unless he drastically changes tactics next season ,don't think il ever forgive him for the villa cup game selection,its the worst football ive ever seen at the albion
Not the worst by any stretch of the imagination. Buckley, Little, Smith to name just a few managers who have been worse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ComebackStrodds on April 20, 2015, 10:24:27 PM
Quote from: Gilsey 56 on April 20, 2015, 09:35:28 PM
i thought Huth was great against us and watched him saturday and he played well again, I think he is someone we could look at.

Huth scored for fun for Stoke under TP. I'd love to have him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 20, 2015, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on April 20, 2015, 10:17:42 PM
Not the worst by any stretch of the imagination. Buckley, Little, Smith to name just a few managers who have been worse.

No they were pretty much of the same tactical ilk as Pulis only the players they had at the club were a  lot less competent
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on April 21, 2015, 02:45:22 AM
Quote from: Standaman on April 20, 2015, 10:46:02 PM
No they were pretty much of the same tactical ilk as Pulis only the players they had at the club were a  lot less competent

Yep Buckley and Dennis Smith had really successful times managing in England's top division :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 21, 2015, 08:52:34 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on April 21, 2015, 02:45:22 AM
Yep Buckley and Dennis Smith had really successful times managing in England's top division :)

No you are confusing outcomes with tactics. Back in the 90's Pulis's rigid 4-4-2 was pretty much the standard issue throughout the English game and certainly in the Championship hoofball ruled. Some teams were better at it than others and ours during that period were pretty dire

Pulisball came out of that era and has pretty much carried on unaltered apart from adjusting to the changes in laws which do not permit some of the industrial strength tackling that was in the game 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on April 21, 2015, 09:19:10 AM
When Irvine was sacked, the only man I wanted for the job was TP, I felt he was the best candidate out there, that was able to keep us up.

Roll on a few months, and it looks as though thats what he has done.

Im willing to give the guy a full pre season, chance to bring in his own players and then look to play to their strengths.

At the moment hes working with a bunch of players that have been here a long time, and you could argue, have been responsible for numerous managerial sackings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 21, 2015, 12:03:24 PM
In my opinion - the great lie of modern football - complicate the tactics, have lots of possession and you're 'cultured' vs play 4-4-2 with a big man up front and you're old fashioned. Football has always been a simple game - the team with the best players or best players on the day win!


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 21, 2015, 01:22:13 PM
Quote from: darbolina on April 21, 2015, 12:03:24 PM
In my opinion - the great lie of modern football - complicate the tactics, have lots of possession and you're 'cultured' vs play 4-4-2 with a big man up front and you're old fashioned. Football has always been a simple game - the team with the best players or best players on the day win!

Having read the 'Secret footballer', he suggests that at every level other than the Prem this is usually the case. However the Prem games are very tactical like a game of chess. I do agree we tend to over complicate a simple game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 21, 2015, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on April 21, 2015, 09:19:10 AM
When Irvine was sacked, the only man I wanted for the job was TP, I felt he was the best candidate out there, that was able to keep us up.

Roll on a few months, and it looks as though thats what he has done.

Im willing to give the guy a full pre season, chance to bring in his own players and then look to play to their strengths.

At the moment hes working with a bunch of players that have been here a long time, and you could argue, have been responsible for numerous managerial sackings.

I could agree more. However having seen some of the 'dross' served up over the last few weeks I'm unsure whether he is the right man to take us forward. The concern I have is that we let him rebuild the squad in the summer with a load of 'cloggers', he then leaves and we are left with a squad capable of playing only one style of football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 21, 2015, 02:46:36 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on April 21, 2015, 01:24:41 PM
I could agree more. However having seen some of the 'dross' served up over the last few weeks I'm unsure whether he is the right man to take us forward. The concern I have is that we let him rebuild the squad in the summer with a load of 'cloggers', he then leaves and we are left with a squad capable of playing only one style of football.
I understand that fear but it's also pretty unfounded in my view.
A lot of people said this regarding Hughes and Stoke, and they were many peoples favourites for the drop after Pulis left. With a lot of the same players, Hughes managed a mid-table finish. They may be big/physical/dirty but the likes of NZonzi, Adam, Walters etc can also play some pretty good football if needed as they have been showing for the past two years.
Then you have more recent times with Palace, where he signed Ledley, Puncheon etc who again are good ball-playing footballers.
Moving on to his short spell here, Fletcher and McManaman are both proper footballers so I think it's a bit of a myth that Pulis mostly goes after a certain type.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2015, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on April 21, 2015, 01:24:41 PM
I could agree more. However having seen some of the 'dross' served up over the last few weeks I'm unsure whether he is the right man to take us forward. The concern I have is that we let him rebuild the squad in the summer with a load of 'cloggers', he then leaves and we are left with a squad capable of playing only one style of football.



if thats the case we just get another clogger coach. Taylor made
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: rajesh-wba on April 21, 2015, 03:27:20 PM
In my opinion, Tony Pulis is exactly what we need for the next 3-4 years.

I think the club needs to solidify as a top flight outfit and restructure the playing staff. We said last Summer was huge but for me this Summer is just as big (with regards turnover of players). We've "struggled" for two seasons and to be honest things haven't been great for two and a half years. I think many at the club became lax- that's one thing Pulis won't stand. Next season will hopefully be the start of our sixth consecutive year of top flight football- we need to push on and look to the top 10 and have a positive mindset in BOTH cup competitions.

You know what you'll get with Pulis. Am I massive fan of his style of play? No. I'd like to think in the Summer we'll be able to sign more genuine wingers to go with McManaman (possibly the likes of Redmond, Matt Phillips, Demari Gray etc). I can see us being decent at Home if he brings in that style of player.

I think Pulis is the right man for the job as things stand. I'm pretty certain if Pulis does stay for three more seasons - a) we'll still be a top flight outfit, b) we'll be left with a better set of players than currently.

Looking at the following - since our promotion in 2010:

1. PL 10/11: 11th   RDM/Hodgson
2. PL 11/12: 10th   Hodgson
3. PL 12/13: 8th     Clarke
4. PL 13/14: 17th   Clarke/Mel
5. PL 14/15: 13th*  Irvine/Pulis

So looking at that we haven't had stability at the top due to differing reasons- Hodgson leaving for England, Clarke, Mel and Irvine sacked due to poor results. Would be nice to see someone stay and just get us back on an steady foundation. You look at Stoke - the core of the side Pulis signed are still there and key players too. I think he will do a very good job overall here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 21, 2015, 03:49:25 PM
Quote from: rajesh-wba on April 21, 2015, 03:27:20 PM
In my opinion, Tony Pulis is exactly what we need for the next 3-4 years.

Rajesh do you still go to games mate?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on April 21, 2015, 04:16:43 PM
Quote from: Standaman on April 21, 2015, 08:52:34 AM
No you are confusing outcomes with tactics. Back in the 90's Pulis's rigid 4-4-2 was pretty much the standard issue throughout the English game and certainly in the Championship hoofball ruled. Some teams were better at it than others and ours during that period were pretty dire

Pulisball came out of that era and has pretty much carried on unaltered apart from adjusting to the changes in laws which do not permit some of the industrial strength tackling that was in the game 20 years ago.

Then surely he wouldn't be effective in the premier league. Those with superior tactics and skills would out think him and he would not last a season. Or he has been effective and might know something? I am more of a purist and dreamer and loved the Mowbray era but Pulis has been effective and sometimes what's needed is a difference of approach. Mourinho plays a certain way that people don't like and is described as defensive and dull but he can  afford to pay 20-30 million on Hazard or Fabregas that adds that extra bit of flair.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 21, 2015, 07:00:17 PM
Think we have to make some allowances for Pulis in that he hasn't had the pace at his disposal that he clearly wants (and had at Palace). Also this season has been a rescue mission.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on April 21, 2015, 07:33:45 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 21, 2015, 07:00:17 PM
Think we have to make some allowances for Pulis in that he hasn't had the pace at his disposal that he clearly wants (and had at Palace). Also this season has been a rescue mission.

Totally agree. Pulis is a winner.....we want winners at the Albion. It ain't pretty granted, but we have no pace or power on the wings and lack any sort of dynamic edge. With all the cash coming into the Prem over the next few seasons, we may just thank our lucky stars we got TP. Regardless of whether he's here or not in 2 seasons time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 21, 2015, 11:43:38 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 21, 2015, 07:00:17 PM
Think we have to make some allowances for Pulis in that he hasn't had the pace at his disposal that he clearly wants (and had at Palace). Also this season has been a rescue mission.
Exactly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 22, 2015, 06:26:32 AM
Not a great fan but if he keeps us up this season then job done and his remit is achieved.
I think the proper assessment of his capabilities will be seen next season after he has had chance to change the personnel, had a full pre season with HIS players and introduced HIS playing methods.
This time next year we will have a better idea as to whether Tony Pulis and WBA are a good fit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on April 22, 2015, 08:54:38 AM
Quote from: Adder on April 21, 2015, 07:00:17 PM
Think we have to make some allowances for Pulis in that he hasn't had the pace at his disposal that he clearly wants (and had at Palace). Also this season has been a rescue mission.
sess has pace and he hardly plays him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on April 22, 2015, 09:06:38 AM
It all depends on what you want as a fan and most of the baggie boys i have spoken to want to be in this league and if that means sacrificing entertainment and cup ambition then so be it, This is not a pop its just an accurate overall summary of the fans i have spoken to over the last couple years everyone looks at it different which makes it more interesting i think.

My problem lies with ticket prices and value for money in this league with our current set up, 40 quid on Saturday to watch us maybe take the lead then defend it before we concede and then concede again before full time and you can guarantee one of them goals will be reminiscent of a circus act to see Leicester goals along with others. Sounds very negative and i would love to be proved wrong but the last 2 years suggest if a team takes the lead or come to the shrine with a bit between there teeth usually we don't fancy it.

Lets hope Saturday we put in a guttsy performance and look for back to back wins against a talented but wounded Liverpool side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 22, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
it was always performance for me but in this league winning at any cost will do even this time next year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 22, 2015, 09:11:44 AM
Good results breed confidence which in turn breeds good performances
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on April 22, 2015, 09:32:50 AM
At the end of the day I know for a fact im far more happier coming away from the Hawthorns after a win but a poor performance, as opposed to losing but 'we played well.'

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 22, 2015, 10:48:28 AM
I had my reservations when we appointed Pulis due to his prior time at Stoke and the football they played and he hasn't done anything to change that. With that said I do believe he is the closest thing we could have got to guaranteeing we remained a Premier League club and we were that desperate I was happy enough to see us dig in and get results by any means necessary as we have done as it was necessary.

I will also give Pulis a fair chance going into next season when he has an opportunity to get his own players in as he clearly trusts very few of the ones we currently have. That brings with it its own worries for me with his history of transfers but it will be a case of wait and see what he does in the market as it looks set to be another tough summer.

Overall I've been happy with his time here as he is exactly what I feel we needed in the short-term. In the years to come though I'm not convinced he is the man that can take us forward but when survival in the league seems to be the only ambition of most clubs will it matter?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 22, 2015, 11:01:38 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on April 22, 2015, 09:06:38 AM
It all depends on what you want as a fan and most of the baggie boys i have spoken to want to be in this league and if that means sacrificing entertainment and cup ambition then so be it, This is not a pop its just an accurate overall summary of the fans i have spoken to over the last couple years everyone looks at it different which makes it more interesting i think.

My problem lies with ticket prices and value for money in this league with our current set up, 40 quid on Saturday to watch us maybe take the lead then defend it before we concede and then concede again before full time and you can guarantee one of them goals will be reminiscent of a circus act to see Leicester goals along with others. Sounds very negative and i would love to be proved wrong but the last 2 years suggest if a team takes the lead or come to the shrine with a bit between there teeth usually we don't fancy it.

Lets hope Saturday we put in a guttsy performance and look for back to back wins against a talented but wounded Liverpool side.

Could I go and watch Albion ala Everton mode play every week? No
Could I go and watch Albion ala Swansea/West Ham mode every week? Yes
Could I go and watch a combination of the 2? Probably
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 22, 2015, 11:20:06 AM
Last year West Ham under Sam were one of the most boring teams in the league. That changed when signed a bunch of new players. Who knows, maybe we can do the same next year?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on April 22, 2015, 11:20:14 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on April 22, 2015, 11:01:38 AM
Could I go and watch Albion ala Everton mode play every week? No
Could I go and watch Albion ala Swansea/West Ham mode every week? Yes
Could I go and watch a combination of the 2? Probably

West Ham dont play good football?

Granted at times this season they have been more fluent in the way they play, but the last few years they usually look to hit it to Noble and Carroll.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 22, 2015, 11:26:10 AM
Quote from: darbolina on April 22, 2015, 11:20:06 AM
Last year West Ham under Sam were one of the most boring teams in the league. That changed when signed a bunch of new players. Who knows, maybe we can do the same next year?

West Ham had a few months period of playing better football, since Christmas they have reverted to type and its as dross now as its ever been.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on April 22, 2015, 11:53:51 AM
I think West Ham reverted to hoofball when Carroll became fit around the new year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 22, 2015, 12:10:53 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on April 22, 2015, 11:20:14 AM
West Ham dont play good football?

Granted at times this season they have been more fluent in the way they play, but the last few years they usually look to hit it to Noble and Carroll.

Sorry I was refering to us playing the way we did against West Ham, not the way West Ham played.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on April 22, 2015, 04:31:43 PM
if we stay up we should thank pulis for his efforts and let him go,he might go anyway if his not backed sufficiently in the transfer market,i hope im wrong but a lot of posters seem to think that he is going to change style and play with pace,and buy accordingly in the summer,but he is already not utilising pacy players,sess,valera,bianco and players in the correct positions ie poco,the team selection v villa in the cup virtually handed the game to them,the negative substitutions in virtually every game we are in front and way before the end,his man management may be great,but the football we are playing is virtually non existent,we cant string 3 passes together,have no width and rely on huge slices of luck when we do scrape a point
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on April 22, 2015, 04:52:03 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on April 22, 2015, 04:31:43 PM
if we stay up we should thank pulis for his efforts and let him go,he might go anyway if his not backed sufficiently in the transfer market,i hope im wrong but a lot of posters seem to think that he is going to change style and play with pace,and buy accordingly in the summer,but he is already not utilising pacy players,sess,valera,bianco and players in the correct positions ie poco,the team selection v villa in the cup virtually handed the game to them,the negative substitutions in virtually every game we are in front and way before the end,his man management may be great,but the football we are playing is virtually non existent,we cant string 3 passes together,have no width and rely on huge slices of luck when we do scrape a point

If you want people to think this is credible, it would help if you knew which players were still at our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on April 22, 2015, 04:55:53 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 22, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
it was always performance for me but in this league winning at any cost will do even this time next year

I like great attacking football, and I enjoyed watching the Mowbray teams, I hated the losing though.
You are right we are in a league where we need to win at any cost, but it appears that there are a lot of posters that want to see us go down playing exciting ineffectual football.

'we played well, got 4 goals at home, but we let 5 in' kind of thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 22, 2015, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on April 22, 2015, 04:55:53 PM
You are right we are in a league where we need to win at any cost, but it appears that there are a lot of posters that want to see us go down playing exciting ineffectual football.
No there aren't lots of posters who want that. I think there are plenty of people who want to see us occupying the very large middle ground that exists between the 2 extremes that you've outlined, as successfully employed at clubs like Swansea.

If the "win at any cost" mentality was adopted by all but the elite few who spend megabucks, what a bloody awful spectacle the Premier League would become.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 22, 2015, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on April 22, 2015, 04:52:03 PM
If you want people to think this is credible, it would help if you knew which players were still at our club.
The point, I believe, being made is that he chose not to play and release players who have the pace he allegedly wants. It is therefore credible (although it might be flawed as the suggestion could be made that whilst pacey they were not good enough)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 22, 2015, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 21, 2015, 02:46:36 PM
I understand that fear but it's also pretty unfounded in my view.
A lot of people said this regarding Hughes and Stoke, and they were many peoples favourites for the drop after Pulis left. With a lot of the same players, Hughes managed a mid-table finish. They may be big/physical/dirty but the likes of NZonzi, Adam, Walters etc can also play some pretty good football if needed as they have been showing for the past two years.
Then you have more recent times with Palace, where he signed Ledley, Puncheon etc who again are good ball-playing footballers.
Moving on to his short spell here, Fletcher and McManaman are both proper footballers so I think it's a bit of a myth that Pulis mostly goes after a certain type.
Puncheon was at Palace before Pulis  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 22, 2015, 06:55:26 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on April 22, 2015, 04:55:53 PM
I like great attacking football, and I enjoyed watching the Mowbray teams, I hated the losing though.
You are right we are in a league where we need to win at any cost, but it appears that there are a lot of posters that want to see us go down playing exciting ineffectual football.

'we played well, got 4 goals at home, but we let 5 in' kind of thing.
I'd like us to play exciting effectual football.   :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 22, 2015, 07:10:50 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on April 22, 2015, 04:55:53 PM
I like great attacking football, and I enjoyed watching the Mowbray teams, I hated the losing though.
You are right we are in a league where we need to win at any cost, but it appears that there are a lot of posters that want to see us go down playing exciting ineffectual football.

'we played well, got 4 goals at home, but we let 5 in' kind of thing.
I would like to see us moving upwards playing exciting football, is it beyond reasonable expectations to say we played well got 4 goals at home but we let in 3 and won.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on April 22, 2015, 07:14:56 PM
The argument of style vs results has raged in football since well before the Second World War, and no one's ever found a truly happy medium because it's human nature that when a team's spent a while "winning ugly" most fans will want a bit more entertainment for their money, and when the team's been "losing pretty" for a while they'll want to switch back to something more effective.

Personally, some of the most enjoyable Albion matches I've seen in the modern era were in 2010-11, when we played some really exciting & attacking football under RDM in the autumn and then again under Hodgson in the spring, and generally made "the Mowbray style" (albeit with a bit of tweaking) work in the Premier League.  I'd love to see us go back to that with some hungry young players, but it's not something that's going to happen overnight, so in the meantime Pulis has to give us stability while we rebuild.

I just hope that he's open to an evolution of style over time, and not married to the tactics he knows best.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 22, 2015, 07:16:20 PM
Will we ever give anyone enough time to build a team which plays good football? The fast turnover of managers / coaches (whatever they're called) is the reason we have to play 'effective' football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on April 22, 2015, 07:21:55 PM
What i think has concerned me a bit is that when we appointed Pulis the doubt was always the style of football although effective.

However 2nd half against Swansea, all game v West Ham, 1st half vs Stoke, we have played some brilliant football, best for a long time, and it got us good results so we clearly can do it and its effective.

However for some reason the rest of the time we have resorted to negative long ball and being defensive which hasnt been effective, yet we seem to persist with that method rather than the one which was doing well, thats my concern for Pulis is that he prefers a certain style and is almost getting us to go that way even though we dont have the players to do it, yet at Palace he made the best of the players he had and went away from his previous style, its confusing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on April 22, 2015, 07:26:32 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on April 22, 2015, 04:52:03 PM
If you want people to think this is credible, it would help if you knew which players were still at our club.
  I know sess is the only one left,the other 2 were pacy and him let them go and hardly plays sees
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on April 22, 2015, 11:13:17 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on April 22, 2015, 05:39:15 PM
No there aren't lots of posters who want that. I think there are plenty of people who want to see us occupying the very large middle ground that exists between the 2 extremes that you've outlined, as successfully employed at clubs like Swansea.

If the "win at any cost" mentality was adopted by all but the elite few who spend megabucks, what a bloody awful spectacle the Premier League would become.

It has already
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on April 22, 2015, 11:16:24 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on April 22, 2015, 07:26:32 PM
  I know sess is the only one left,the other 2 were pacy and him let them go and hardly plays sees

He's played Sess a fair bit even when he had problems at home. The other two were out the door anyway before TP turned up. Even Irvine didn't play them. For whatever reason we will never know, pretty much the same as Poc. Things happen behind closed doors and in training that we will never be privy to.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on April 22, 2015, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 22, 2015, 05:54:50 PM
The point, I believe, being made is that he chose not to play and release players who have the pace he allegedly wants. It is therefore credible (although it might be flawed as the suggestion could be made that whilst pacey they were not good enough)

Quite right, you could put Usain Bolt in and he'll get down the wing faster than anyone else but would he be good enough for the prem?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 23, 2015, 07:46:51 AM
Pulis has a fixed style of play and a tactical template, players either fit it or they don't. Given a choice between flair and positional discipline allied with a strong work ethic Pulis will choose the latter, get used to it it won't change.
Equally once Pulis has made up his mind about a player they may as well leave the club. Whatever Pocognoli has done or not done it is very obvious he won't be picked almost regardless of the situation with injuries.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 23, 2015, 08:16:39 AM
Quote from: Standaman on April 23, 2015, 07:46:51 AM
Equally once Pulis has made up his mind about a player they may as well leave the club.
This undoubtedly looks to be true but, as we tend to run with a smaller squad than other clubs in this league, we can't really afford to have players being frozen out, not to mention it also being a waste of a transfer fee and/or wages.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 23, 2015, 08:39:57 AM
On the Brazil show this morning, Talksport
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on April 23, 2015, 09:13:05 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 23, 2015, 08:39:57 AM
On the Brazil show this morning, Talksport

Im washing my hair and watching the walls unfortunately otherwise id tune in  :D.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 23, 2015, 09:15:26 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on April 23, 2015, 09:13:05 AM
Im washing my hair and watching the walls unfortunately otherwise id tune in  :D.



hes more entertaining to listen too thats for sure
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on April 23, 2015, 09:27:54 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 23, 2015, 09:15:26 AM


hes more entertaining to listen too thats for sure

Can you tell us what was the general theme of the interview?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on April 23, 2015, 09:33:45 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 23, 2015, 09:15:26 AM


hes more entertaining to listen too thats for sure

Is he standing up  :D.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 23, 2015, 10:04:48 AM
Quote from: AlbionFan on April 23, 2015, 09:27:54 AM
Can you tell us what was the general theme of the interview?


Didnt catch all of it but mostly about his up and coming charity rowing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 23, 2015, 10:15:04 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 23, 2015, 10:04:48 AM

Didnt catch all of it but mostly about his up and coming charity rowing
It's not like they wanna talk about little ol' West Brom.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 23, 2015, 10:18:57 AM
http://talksport.com/football/tony-pulis-talksport-west-brom-boss-his-epic-charity-challenge-and-baggies-tough-run

Nothing new really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on April 23, 2015, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 23, 2015, 10:04:48 AM

Didnt catch all of it but mostly about his up and coming charity rowing

Thank you for that.

I suspect he wants to promote a noble act and cause to raise more sponsorship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: rajesh-wba on April 23, 2015, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 21, 2015, 03:49:25 PM
Rajesh do you still go to games mate?

Yes I do Dom. I've been to Hull, West Ham (Cup), Southampton, QPR and Leicester since Pulis has been installed. Like I said before I'm not a massive fan of his style of play but if he stays for a period of time- I firmly believe we will be in a better position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 23, 2015, 09:39:21 PM
The important thing is to get the balance right in terms of performances. I think our fans would put up with negative performances if it's followed up by the type of performance we produced against West Ham and Swansea at home. That was the key to Hodgson's reign, we would have some really poor negative displays followed up by a good performance and result. I'm hoping next season we will see a fast direct team with wingers bombing down the wing and two strikers who are handfuls, one of them being a proven goalscorer which hopefully is Berahino.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 24, 2015, 06:31:23 AM
Unbeaten in 6 home prem league matches against Liverpool 3 wins & 3 draws and someone on here says he never fares well against the top sides !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 24, 2015, 06:43:48 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on April 24, 2015, 06:31:23 AM
Unbeaten in 6 home prem league matches against Liverpool 3 wins & 3 draws and someone on here says he never fares well against the top sides !
Liverpool are not a top side anymore ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 24, 2015, 08:56:14 AM
Dont know if this has been posted from BBC Sport today via the Telegraph

West Brom boss Tony Pulis says he is "annoyed" with being labelled as someone who "just keeps clubs up" having never been relegated in his managerial career. (Daily Telegraph)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11558155/Tony-Pulis-Im-sick-of-being-known-as-an-escape-artist.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on April 24, 2015, 09:55:18 AM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on April 24, 2015, 08:56:14 AM
Dont know if this has been posted from BBC Sport today via the Telegraph

West Brom boss Tony Pulis says he is "annoyed" with being labelled as someone who "just keeps clubs up" having never been relegated in his managerial career. (Daily Telegraph)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11558155/Tony-Pulis-Im-sick-of-being-known-as-an-escape-artist.html

Bloody great news, hopefully TP will prove me wrong and show that he can create an attractive top 10 side !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 24, 2015, 10:57:58 AM
He seems a top man actually. Regardless of what people think of the style of football he creates, as a man, I respect him. He reminds me of Mowbray in the sense he talks and you want to read/ listen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 25, 2015, 05:10:24 AM
Quote from: darbolina on April 24, 2015, 10:57:58 AM
He seems a top man actually. Regardless of what people think of the style of football he creates, as a man, I respect him. He reminds me of Mowbray in the sense he talks and you want to read/ listen.
Agreed, I enjoy all of his press conferences, interviews etc, much more interesting and thought provoking than any of our recent managers. Top bloke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on April 25, 2015, 08:12:38 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on April 25, 2015, 05:10:24 AM
Agreed, I enjoy all of his press conferences, interviews etc, much more interesting and thought provoking than any of our recent managers. Top bloke.

All he needs to learn is that the fans want to see some more positivity. Defensive formations are fine away from home but at The Hawthorns fans need to be entertained much more than they have been this season - starting today!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on April 25, 2015, 08:41:45 AM
Totally agree, think he comes across as a top bloke, sort of bloke you would have a beer with.

Also although got my doubts about his style, i think the test will be after preseason when he has got his own players, the concern is we turn into Stoke mark 2, but on the flipside we are an established premiership club and if he does want to break the 'relegation escapist' tag and move into top half of the league, europe, ec then he probably knows he has to change his style too.

Hope he does because as per top line, think he is a genuine top bloke, wouldnt want to cross him either!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 25, 2015, 12:58:10 PM
Don't dislike him and don't think he is Corberan,brought in and was what we needed THEN...would not be here for me next season,think we need someone who can build on the core ,clear the deadwood and get some flair and pace injected.
There is no silver bullet but this may just be the right time for Mcinnes IF we can get someone next to him with a bit of nous and knowledge..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 25, 2015, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on April 25, 2015, 12:58:10 PM
Don't dislike him and don't think he is Corberan,brought in and was what we needed THEN...would not be here for me next season,think we need someone who can build on the core ,clear the deadwood and get some flair and pace injected.
There is no silver bullet but this may just be the right time for Mcinnes IF we can get someone next to him with a bit of nous and knowledge..

Not for me.  If McInnes carries on progressing then he should be considered in 2-3 years time after TP.  We need stability above all else.

The Premier League is not the place for managers still with L-Plates.  McInnes has no managerial success in England even in the Championship, and sorry but Scotland is nit even English Championship standard.   

Am not writing him off - just saying that he's one for the future

A question though - if he wasn't a former Baggie would you even be considering him?




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 25, 2015, 05:26:05 PM
6 different managers in 4 seasons. If McInnes was the man surely he would have been hired before now?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 25, 2015, 06:00:05 PM
Nice to see him on the sidelines trying to get players to push out when we were defending at times. Still got his record intact against Liverpool at home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 25, 2015, 06:06:40 PM
Now that mission one is accomplished, let's back him to take us forward.  More width, more pace and a clear out of the dead wood
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 25, 2015, 06:20:11 PM
It's not been pretty but given Pulis came into 18 months worth of bad choices from the club I think he has done a pretty good job overall .A squad with several players that play well in 20 minute spells every 3 games , a few probably past it now and three senior strikers with one being injured for long spells again this season......
Villa  X 2 hurt and Pulis hasn't got everything right but I can't think of many managers who would both come to us and just about save a side  slowly sliding towards relegation IMO.
He's done enough for me to be trusted to rebuild us this Summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on April 25, 2015, 06:41:01 PM
Quote from: Dexy on April 25, 2015, 06:20:11 PM
It's not been pretty but given Pulis came into 18 months worth of bad choices from the club I think he has done a pretty good job overall .A squad with several players that play well in 20 minute spells every 3 games , a few probably past it now and three senior strikers with one being injured for long spells again this season......
Villa  X 2 hurt and Pulis hasn't got everything right but I can't think of many managers who would both come to us and just about save a side  slowly sliding towards relegation IMO.
He's done enough for me to be trusted to rebuild us this Summer.

I'm in agreement here, he's done a great job keeping us in the prem with the players at his disposal, he definitely deserves a good summer transfer dealings and to mould a team and squad to how he wants to play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 25, 2015, 07:12:55 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 25, 2015, 06:00:05 PM
Nice to see him on the sidelines trying to get players to push out when we were defending at times. Still got his record intact against Liverpool at home.
Oldbury I have never heard him telling thre players to drop off and the defend its always the opposite I am not too sure he is solely responsible for us dropping off and defending deep for long periods
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 25, 2015, 07:16:17 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on April 25, 2015, 07:12:55 PM
Oldbury I have never heard him telling thre players to drop off and the defend its always the opposite I am not too sure he is solely responsible for us dropping off and defending deep for long periods

I've never heard him either. I made a point today of watching him as plenty keep telling us its Pulis who makes us defend so deep. The same used to happen under Irvine, he would be at the side telling players to get out as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 25, 2015, 08:11:56 PM
think we are safe after that point, so well done Tony. next season hopefully will be a new dawn for the Albion, stripes back on the kit, money invested in quality players and new people involved in pushing the baggies to the next level onwards and upwards id say :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on April 25, 2015, 11:54:40 PM
He's done a top job, with a disjointed squad, full of average players.

I'm looking forward to seeing what he does next year, once he's bought his own players in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 26, 2015, 12:21:44 AM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on April 25, 2015, 11:54:40 PM
He's done a top job, with a disjointed squad, full of average players.

I'm looking forward to seeing what he does next year, once he's bought his own players in.
So far he's bought in two players, Fletcher and McManaman - who look far better than most of those bought in the summer (bar Lescott and Gardner). Hopefully he's given control of transfers and we can see a good summer for once!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 26, 2015, 07:59:46 AM
Job done I think, be interesting to see if we play a more expansive game now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on April 26, 2015, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on April 26, 2015, 07:59:46 AM
Job done I think, be interesting to see if we play a more expansive game now.

Doubt it as TP is looking for 40 points and if we open up against the likes of United, Chelsea and Arsenal we're likely to get destroyed.
It is a case of crawling over the line with what we have got this season and I can't really see us going at any of the teams in our remaining games even with 40 points.

We all know we need to add some quality and balance to our squad and more imortantly so does TP.
Given what he has been said regarding the clubs position and structure I trust TP to get things right next season.

Cannot see a radical change in style but TP has been stereotyped over the years and people seem to conveniently overlook the fact that he picked up six wins away from home whilst at Palace last season so he is not adverse to "crossing the halfway line" in the right situation and with the right personnel at his disposal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Raymond on April 27, 2015, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 26, 2015, 12:21:44 AM
So far he's bought in two players, Fletcher and McManaman - who look far better than most of those bought in the summer (bar Lescott and Gardner). Hopefully he's given control of transfers and we can see a good summer for once!

 He doesn't seem to want to play McManaman, I dont know why :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on April 27, 2015, 09:40:59 AM
Quote from: Raymond on April 27, 2015, 09:36:30 AM
He doesn't seem to want to play McManaman, I dont know why :(

I think McManamam was carrying a bit of an injury when we bought him and made it worse during a game, but can't remember which one exactly, he's been working his way back to fitness and only been on the subs bench.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: A5HB on April 27, 2015, 09:53:19 AM
Quote from: Raymond on April 27, 2015, 09:36:30 AM
He doesn't seem to want to play McManaman, I dont know why :(
He's nowhere near fit. Arrived carrying at least 1 if not 2 injuries and aggravated them once he got here. I think they are looking to get him through to the summer with the odd appearance here and there and then really work on his fitness then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 27, 2015, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on April 24, 2015, 08:56:14 AM
Dont know if this has been posted from BBC Sport today via the Telegraph

West Brom boss Tony Pulis says he is "annoyed" with being labelled as someone who "just keeps clubs up" having never been relegated in his managerial career. (Daily Telegraph)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11558155/Tony-Pulis-Im-sick-of-being-known-as-an-escape-artist.html

If the cap fits.   ;D

The reputation Pulis has built has been made over 20+ years of managing/coaching not 6 months at Crystal Palace. There is some hope that he may be able to replicate the style of the second half of Palace's season at the Hawthorns.  I hope he can but if you consider that the players he brought in to Palace (Puncheon was already there) and his history at every other club he has been at, I would expect defensive performances first and foremost with the anything not to lose attitude.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on April 27, 2015, 03:37:00 PM
My only dissapointment is the great surrender against the vilers and his decision to drop poco for brunt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on April 28, 2015, 12:45:10 AM
His two signings haven't been fantastic, not bad but not brilliant so far.

Fletcher seems to fade quite badly in games and lets just hope Mac can reproduce what he did at the end of the Lpool game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 02, 2015, 07:40:01 PM
Well done on 40 points Mr Pulis. 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 02, 2015, 08:05:43 PM
Got to give the bloke credit he knows the score.
When I saw the team for tonights game I was very critical.
Sorry for doubting you Tone  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on May 02, 2015, 08:23:28 PM
Arise Sir Tony!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 02, 2015, 08:33:19 PM
The man deserves respect and time to build the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ian66 on May 02, 2015, 08:39:00 PM
I'm watching Real Madrid. The fans are singing "West Brom, it's just like watching West Brom"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on May 02, 2015, 10:02:32 PM
he knows his stuff, great result
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 02, 2015, 10:09:05 PM
What a disgrace. How dare we not go away to Man Utd with an attacking line up and have a go. We're literally begging Utd to camp in our half. We'll be deeper than the titanic.

Etc, etc, blah, blah.

Winning football. Better than the dross served up by AI and for the most of SC.

A summer of recruitment and I'm really looking forward to next season. Top Job by Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on May 02, 2015, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: Mikkyk on April 28, 2015, 12:45:10 AM
His two signings haven't been fantastic, not bad but not brilliant so far.

Fletcher seems to fade quite badly in games and lets just hope Mac can reproduce what he did at the end of the Lpool game.

Fletcher's influence as a leader on the pitch is not to be under-estimated.   Brunt also appears to have thrived without the captaincy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 02, 2015, 10:15:14 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on May 02, 2015, 10:11:25 PM
Fletcher's influence as a leader on the pitch is not to be under-estimated.   Brunt also appears to have thrived without the captaincy

Loved Fletcher's response to the goal - reminding everybody to keep their heads, remember their jobs, and concentrate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on May 02, 2015, 10:24:28 PM
Pulis was reportedly on a big bonus to keep Palace up. He was no doubt on a big money incentive to keep us up. He has earned every penny. He may get a double bonus now that JP may be about to cash in big time by selling the club for much more than he would if Albion had been relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 02, 2015, 10:51:45 PM
I have said it before and I'll  say it again, to get results like this from our current squad............. genius.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CoachRagnar on May 03, 2015, 06:55:34 AM
Well Tony, Congratulations to you and your players, a job well done. It must have been fun both at Palace and the Albion to walk in on your first day, look around and think..."They don't realize the changes that are coming" I can't help but think the biggest change must have been the attitude of the entire cadre including secretaries, bookkeepers, all the way through to the players. Because you believe in your abilities and have the record to support that belief, they in turn start to believe that with you as their leader, they can become winners.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on May 03, 2015, 07:32:08 AM
Pulis has done an amazing job. People can moan all they like but without him we would've gone down this year with even 37 points unlikely to guarantee safety.

He was appointed to do a job and he's gone and done it with games to spare. Fantastic achievement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on May 03, 2015, 07:33:25 AM
Quote from: CoachRagnar on May 03, 2015, 06:55:34 AM
Well Tony, Congratulations to you and your players, a job well done. It must have been fun both at Palace and the Albion to walk in on your first day, look around and think..."They don't realize the changes that are coming" I can't help but think the biggest change must have been the attitude of the entire cadre including secretaries, bookkeepers, all the way through to the players. Because you believe in your abilities and have the record to support that belief, they in turn start to believe that with you as their leader, they can become winners.
Spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on May 03, 2015, 07:52:27 AM
Lets not open the champagne yet lads

Lets go to Newcastle and put another nail in their coffin, we can win there
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 03, 2015, 09:06:19 AM
Pulis has done a good job, but it is not amazing and the squad he inherited was far from terrible. We have gone from a team that was slightly below par to one that is slightly above par. Credit to him for that.

 Yesterday's performance demonstrated all the strengths and weakness of his approach. Against superior opposition away from home parking the bus is probably the only way of getting something out of the game but it is the first time it has worked for him in 11 attempts either home or away. Given the gulf between United and club's like us and Stoke I don't think there is a better option. Going to Old Trafford and playing open and expansive football is probably not a winning formula either. A 10% chance is probably all the majority of clubs have on their trips to United almost regardless of the tactics they deploy.

My beef with Pulis is that when we are closely matched with a team he still parks the bus away from home. Next week we travel to Newcastle a team that does not have a wage bill four times our own and is sinking faster than the Titanic. It is a game we can win and one where we should not retreat into our shells, I am not expecting gung-ho attacking football (not on the menu under Pulis at all) but a bit more attacking intent and if it is not forthcoming you can pretty much guarantee it will never happen. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on May 03, 2015, 09:13:42 AM
Quote from: Standaman on May 03, 2015, 09:06:19 AM
Pulis has done a good job, but it is not amazing and the squad he inherited was far from terrible. We have gone from a team that was slightly below par to one that is slightly above par. Credit to him for that.

 Yesterday's performance demonstrated all the strengths and weakness of his approach. Against superior opposition away from home parking the bus is probably the only way of getting something out of the game but it is the first time it has worked for him in 11 attempts either home or away. Given the gulf between United and club's like us and Stoke I don't think there is a better option. Going to Old Trafford and playing open and expansive football is probably not a winning formula either. A 10% chance is probably all the majority of clubs have on their trips to United almost regardless of the tactics they deploy.

My beef with Pulis is that when we are closely matched with a team he still parks the bus away from home. Next week we travel to Newcastle a team that does not have a wage bill four times our own and is sinking faster than the Titanic. It is a game we can win and one where we should not retreat into our shells, I am not expecting gung-ho attacking football (not on the menu under Pulis at all) but a bit more attacking intent and if it is not forthcoming you can pretty much guarantee it will never happen.


With this squad, yes it is. You tell me what forwards we have (wingers included) that are effective at Premiership level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on May 03, 2015, 09:27:39 AM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on May 02, 2015, 10:09:05 PM
What a disgrace. How dare we not go away to Man Utd with an attacking line up and have a go. We're literally begging Utd to camp in our half. We'll be deeper than the titanic.

Etc, etc, blah, blah.

Winning football. Better than the dross served up by AI and for the most of SC.

A summer of recruitment and I'm really looking forward to next season. Top Job by Pulis.

Agreed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 03, 2015, 09:33:45 AM
parked the bus and the tank according to LVH, did you see his face being interviewed it was like thunder. Pulis you will be honoured at Arsenal
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 03, 2015, 09:54:38 AM
 
Quote from: Atomic on May 03, 2015, 09:13:42 AM

With this squad, yes it is. You tell me what forwards we have (wingers included) that are effective at Premiership level.

Varela Sessegnon Berahino Idye Brunt etc.. and by Premier League standards it might be pretty average but probably no worse than most in the mid-table mix. Our squad will always have it's limitations I would concede it needs to be shaped to play a particular style of football but the players arriving this summer will not be of much better quality than those already here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jim68 on May 03, 2015, 10:16:13 AM
very well done tony pulis and all the players and jp for appointing him in the first place /just what was needed to keep us up you got to give pulis his due he knows how to organise his teams and make them hard to beat this premier is hardly a level playing field    finance wise it dont get any better beating the mancs in their own back yard  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 03, 2015, 10:40:54 AM
Not a Pulis fan and never will be but after the Leicester game I thought we were gone.
But I have to hold my hands up and give credit where it's due TP has does an excellent job in the last 3 games to secure our safety.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 03, 2015, 10:51:56 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 03, 2015, 09:33:45 AM
parked the bus and the tank according to LVH, did you see his face being interviewed it was like thunder. Pulis you will be honoured at Arsenal

That man should be arrested for crimes against Coiffeurs, how can you take a man with a pineapple on his head serious
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 03, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
First of all can i say how proud i was yesterday with the work that the players are putting in from berahino to myhill we put a fantastic shift in. Pulis was and is the right man at the time for our club they had an easy ride for a couple years and he soon put an end to that. Im taken by the bloke because you can tell he cares you can tell the hardwork he puts in to the team in the week and how hard he works on the touchline. Its like carver said about having 11 jack colbacks and thats all the fans can ask for okay he shouldnt of said it but he is spot on.

Pulis will have hes detractors theres no doubt about it i will be picking and choosing my games as the money for entertainment comparison is just sometimes not there but that doesnt mean i dont appreciate what hes doing for our club, Hes incredibly smart and knows this league very well i feel. Theres no denying we need to expand our attacking play but we need the footsoldiers to be able to do that and at the moment i cant help but feel Pulis knows he doesnt have them.

I dont expect fireworks and i cant help but feel some of our fans get a little carried away however TP will be solid for us and we stand every chance of pushing a mid table place under him with some good investment.

Boing Boing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on May 03, 2015, 01:24:41 PM
I pretty much agree with Standaman!

Yesterday was a excellent performance and understanable doing that majority of the time away at the top 4, but release the handbreak at Newcastle a bit and we are capable of winning there.

The same goes at home, i dont think we are a million miles away, i think just attack teams more at home (which shouldnt be alien to us, we have shown certain games we can do it already under him)

Pulis has done a good job keeping us up but i do think the ability was there with the players, most of the starting 11 yesterday were proven experienced premiership players so they should be capable of doing better than they were, where Pulis has improved us is the the attitude, discipline and work rate (a few games there were blips but rome wasnt built in a day!) I really enjoyed yesterday, it felt like we were a team and Pulis has to take full credit for that.

We have some good footballers at the club, people like Morrison, Brunt, Sess, Fletcher, Mcmanaman who are good technically and they would be better playing football rather tha long ball, i think make use of them, and if Pulis gets to add some of his own players attacking wise and just tweaks things a bit then we will be fine under him.

My worry is (and I contradict myself a bit here) but Pulis has brought two of the 'technical footballers' mentioned above, but i just have this nagging doubt that the majority of the footballers may make way for more workman like players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on May 03, 2015, 01:50:10 PM
TP's teams are typically very boring and Albion has been the most boring of his teams to date that I can remember. In saying that, TP has taken 22 points from 15 Premier League starts that he has managed, that record would put us on around 55 points if he carried that a full season (and around the 8th-10th mark). If we lose the last 3 that would still be 22 in 18 and an average that would give us a full season score of around 44-45 points.
I don't know how we played like we did against Leicester and QPR as they were very "UnTP" in style and scorelines, perhaps the lads expected to just tick them off comfortably...
As much as I don't like the TP style, the league is closing in on the massive TV rights deals that means your club needs to be in the PL more than it needs to be exciting as far as I am concerned. Staying in the PL now should position the club in such a way that if it does drop down again, we are in a position to fight our way back.
Of the last 12 clubs to be relegated, only 2 (West Ham 2010/11 and QPR 2012/13) have come back to the Prem and QPR have lasted 1 season if they go down this year. In the past the clubs relegated were always big favorites to bounce back, to me now clubs that go down seem to be mismanaged and struggle in the journey back. 2 recent prem clubs just go relegated this season to League one and Wolves were also relegated to that level when they dropped.

Of the others.. it reads pretty miserably

Birmingham (10/11) PO / 12 / 21 (just avoided Relegation by GD) / 10 finishes
Blackpool    (10/11) Just finished last and relegated to League One
Bolton         (11/12) Just finished 18th in Championship
Blackburn    (11/12) 17/8/9 finishes.
Wolverhamption (11/12) Relegated to League One, back in Championship
Wigan (12/13) Just finished second last and relegated to League One
Reading (12/13) 7/19
Norwich (13/14) POs, in contention to bounce back.
Fulham (13/14) 17
Cardiff (13/14) 11

TP is the right person for right now in our club's journey
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 03, 2015, 02:55:20 PM
I actually think TP inherited a weaker squad than Mel / Downing did after Clarke left , at least that side had goals and pace in Vydra , Thievy and Morgan plus Sess .It hasn't been pretty and there's lots to work on but I'm delighted we are nearly safe with what's a squad of mainly ageing and underachieving players(for a fair while now). I for one was sure we were slowly slipping to relegation under Irvine , while I know we won't turn into Barcalona I'm feeling quite optimistic about next season under TP . At the very least you know the players will be giving 110% which is something I wasn't convinced was happening in recent years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 03, 2015, 06:58:55 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 03, 2015, 09:06:19 AM
Pulis has done a good job, but it is not amazing and the squad he inherited was far from terrible. We have gone from a team that was slightly below par to one that is slightly above par. Credit to him for that.

 Yesterday's performance demonstrated all the strengths and weakness of his approach. Against superior opposition away from home parking the bus is probably the only way of getting something out of the game but it is the first time it has worked for him in 11 attempts either home or away. Given the gulf between United and club's like us and Stoke I don't think there is a better option. Going to Old Trafford and playing open and expansive football is probably not a winning formula either. A 10% chance is probably all the majority of clubs have on their trips to United almost regardless of the tactics they deploy.

My beef with Pulis is that when we are closely matched with a team he still parks the bus away from home. Next week we travel to Newcastle a team that does not have a wage bill four times our own and is sinking faster than the Titanic. It is a game we can win and one where we should not retreat into our shells, I am not expecting gung-ho attacking football (not on the menu under Pulis at all) but a bit more attacking intent and if it is not forthcoming you can pretty much guarantee it will never happen.

Wow. Staggeringly negative. We beat Man United at Old Trafford, almost CERTAINLY guaranteed our survival for another season and THIS. Some people can't be pleased with anything can they.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 03, 2015, 07:25:36 PM
Can't argue with what he has achieved. A fantastic win at Old Trafford has surely kept us up. Pulis deserves a lot of credit and hopefully is backed in the Summer to get the players he thinks will get us to the next level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 03, 2015, 07:34:18 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on May 03, 2015, 06:58:55 PM
Wow. Staggeringly negative. We beat Man United at Old Trafford, almost CERTAINLY guaranteed our survival for another season and THIS. Some people can't be pleased with anything can they.

It's all about perception. West Brom played defensively away at Old Trafford and had 3 shots on target. Crystal Palace played more attacking away at Stamford Bridge and had just 1 shot on target. Yet the common opinion seems to be setting up defensively is a bad thing  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 03, 2015, 07:45:18 PM
When Utd went to Stamford Bridge they had 70% possession.
From my recollection Mourinho didn't give a toss, and stated something along the lines of he knew what they were going to do and let them get on with it.

Obviously I am not comparing Pulis to Mourinho, but he knew what Utd were going to do and let them get on with it too. Yes we rode our luck at times but we went there with a game plan, stuck to it and got our rewards.

Ali used the term rope a dope. Long term career not with standing, Van Gaal was dopey enough to play his two best strikers in midfield for much of the second half. Pretty dopey in my opinion and ultimately he got what he deserved yesterday for trying to be a smart backside.

F**k all.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on May 03, 2015, 08:12:21 PM
I honestly cannot think of any other manager we could have got and would have kept this squad up.
we have no forwards to speak of and a lot of players who are well past their best.
i  have said it before, we have TP at his peak and if anyone thinks we could have played more expansive football yesterday they didn't watch big Vic and Berahino against Liverpool.
Well done to Tony Pulis it was a fab day for the baggies yesterday and a bad day for his critics they were left looking for crumbs.
BTW hope we sign Matt Philips from QPR.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 03, 2015, 09:40:52 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say we will be awful at Newcastle. Despite some good wins, don't forget that this squad are full of complacent shirkers. I stand by my comment in a different thread that says i would only keep 7/8 of these players in the summer.

Now we are all but guaranteed survival, our performances will well and truly drop off. Happened last season, happened before the back to back home games when it was looking good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 03, 2015, 09:42:40 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 03, 2015, 09:40:52 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say we will be awful at Newcastle. Despite some good wins, don't forget that this squad are full of complacent shirkers. I stand by my comment in a different thread that says i would only keep 7/8 of these players in the summer.

Now we are all but guaranteed survival, our performances will well and truly drop off. Happened last season, happened before the back to back home games when it was looking good.

Nabi should get a chance for me were over the line done our job give the lad some experience.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 03, 2015, 11:10:10 PM
http://tbrfootball.com/how-west-bromwich-albion-became-an-established-premier-league-club/

A good article, a recap of the past few seasons.

Whilst the TP style bores me to death, I can only hope a rebuilt team for next year proves a better platform for entertaining performances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 03, 2015, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on May 03, 2015, 06:58:55 PM
Wow. Staggeringly negative. We beat Man United at Old Trafford, almost CERTAINLY guaranteed our survival for another season and THIS. Some people can't be pleased with anything can they.

Not negative just not completely bewitched by one good result and a decent half season . Steve Clarke won at Old Trafford and was sacked nine games latter. I have never said Pulis was not effective although we have put in some shocking performances on his watch, which of course is the players fault under Pulis but not under previous incumbents.

Fair play to Pulis he did what he was bought in to do. The notion that him being able to bring in his own players is going to take us to a new level is flawed I would be staggered if we finish outside the range 15th to 10th or 42 to 50 points but that is pretty much par for us under any coach. Top end of that range and we won't be anywhere near the relegation zone bottom end of it and we will be flirting with the drop for some of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 03, 2015, 11:55:05 PM
What do you realistically want league wise ? Whether you realise it or not outside the top 7 there's still 3 or 4 teams well above our status the pulis way is solid but teams who play with a certain flow over the course of 38 games will finish higher, Everton, palace, swansea, stoke and them feckefs down the road to name a few unless there prize possession goes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on May 04, 2015, 03:03:47 PM
well done to tony pulis for virtually guarantee of prem football,even with the win at old Trafford im not entirely convinced,virtually every other club forum is slating us for our non football attitude,although we have talented players at the club who never get a game im willing to believe the posters who say that in the transfer window we are going to get speed and pace to counter attack more next season,im willing to give this a chance to Christmas if this hasn't happened I will want pulis gone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 04, 2015, 05:42:37 PM
The balance will be the big thing.
I really hope Pulis will play McManaman or similar new signing every home game next year regardless of opposition AND also in the away games against sides outside the top 6.
If he then decides to play a similar style to Saturday against the big boys then I won't grumble too much.


 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on May 04, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on May 03, 2015, 11:55:05 PM
What do you realistically want league wise ? Whether you realise it or not outside the top 7 there's still 3 or 4 teams well above our status the pulis way is solid but teams who play with a certain flow over the course of 38 games will finish higher, Everton, palace, swansea, stoke and them feckefs down the road to name a few unless there prize possession goes.

I read the forum and i have no idea what people want, i would be interested to know if the people who write negatively about pulis also wanted irvine out, or whether they wanted to keep irvine.

Mid table is realistic for us not much more, FFP has stopped us getting any further up the table.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 04, 2015, 10:11:30 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on May 04, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
I read the forum and i have no idea what people want, i would be interested to know if the people who write negatively about pulis also wanted irvine out, or whether they wanted to keep irvine.

Mid table is realistic for us not much more, FFP has stopped us getting any further up the table.

1. I expect something between 15th & 10th in the Premier League
2. I hope for a cup run but that is often as not down to luck of the draw.
3. I am critical of Pulis because of his negative one dimensional approach to football but I absolutely cannot criticise his ability to organise a team to grind out results it amuses me that others seem to think that a more attacking approach just around the corner but I will wait and see
4. I was not particularly anti Irvine or any other coach because  I think the impact of coaches are greatly overstated, the ability of the players we have generally determines where we finish
5. FFP makes no great deal of difference we have never run at a loss and without being able to sustain a £100m wage bill we cannot consider a top half finish as normal.


 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 04, 2015, 10:27:27 PM
Just keep us out of the bottom 8, so there are fewer panic attacks, and we can boost the club's finances for future boosts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 05, 2015, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on May 03, 2015, 10:51:56 AM
That man should be arrested for crimes against Coiffeurs, how can you take a man with a pineapple on his head serious

I thought that Jason Lee spoke a lot of sense !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on May 05, 2015, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 14, 2015, 08:54:22 AM
And the reason we have more points per game? We haven't played, Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal under TP yet. We may get points from those matches but when we can not get points from Leicester or QPR at home I am struggling to believe we can get points from these fixtures. I am hopeful we can pick up one or two before the end of the season (Newcastle will be a big game with their and our current form), just enough to stay up. My reckoning by the end of the season the records will be almost identical.

FAO VVV: Did say we'd wait and see on this one. What are your thoughts on Pulis now we've managed points against teams such as the ones you listed? I originally said that Pulis had changed our forturnes this season and that we'd possibly be going down if Irvine had stayed.

The records are nowhere near identical and nor were they ever going to be. This season Pulis has gained us an average of 1.46, and even if we don't pick up any points between now and the end of the season the average is still significantly better (1.22) than Irvine's 0.89 points per game.

For me, even though I've had my reservations, I'm definitely behind Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on May 05, 2015, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 04, 2015, 10:11:30 PM
1. I expect something between 15th & 10th in the Premier League
2. I hope for a cup run but that is often as not down to luck of the draw.
3. I am critical of Pulis because of his negative one dimensional approach to football but I absolutely cannot criticise his ability to organise a team to grind out results it amuses me that others seem to think that a more attacking approach just around the corner but I will wait and see
4. I was not particularly anti Irvine or any other coach because  I think the impact of coaches are greatly overstated, the ability of the players we have generally determines where we finish
5. FFP makes no great deal of difference we have never run at a loss and without being able to sustain a £100m wage bill we cannot consider a top half finish as normal.

Point 1 - i agree

Point 2 you need luck in a cup, mainly so you don't pull out one of the big teams along the way.

Point 3 contradicts point 4, same players on the pitch and as the coach isn't important it doesn't matter who manages them and what the style of play is, it's still the same old players.

Point 4 You are not anti any coach, just Pulis, i refer you to point 3. The coach is the one the picks the team and tactics, the same players played for irvine as pulis bar 2 players that pulis brought in, irvine would have took us down simple as that, so the importance of a coach is not overstated.

Point 5 FFP makes a big difference if you want to break into the so called elite, we can only spend what we earn, investment from a new buyer couldn't even get us a higher wage bill and a better standard of players, so in this respect we can't really expect anything but a 10th - 20th finish.

So you want a 10th to 15th place finish and a cup run, that's what you would like, well we have had that this season, but you are you unhappy because we didn't play world class football on the way?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2015, 03:36:52 PM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on May 05, 2015, 12:24:52 PM
FAO VVV: Did say we'd wait and see on this one. What are your thoughts on Pulis now we've managed points against teams such as the ones you listed? I originally said that Pulis had changed our forturnes this season and that we'd possibly be going down if Irvine had stayed.

The records are nowhere near identical and nor were they ever going to be. This season Pulis has gained us an average of 1.46, and even if we don't pick up any points between now and the end of the season the average is still significantly better (1.22) than Irvine's 0.89 points per game.

For me, even though I've had my reservations, I'm definitely behind Pulis.

Pulis has got results and fair play to him.  7 points from the last 9 with an average of 26% possession is some achievement and not something I think many anticipated would happen. Playing not to lose against sides can clearly get results.

As I have said all along, I don't like Pulis' style of play and I think he is a very lucky manager. He has, for me, been responsible for most of our worst league performances of the season (Leicester,  QPR,  Tottenham,  Man City...) and our general play and statistics have got worse under him but it is a results game and he is our Coach,  so like ALL coaches before him I support him.

I do think we could do much better but that doesn't mean I am starting up a campaign to have him removed.





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 05, 2015, 03:59:21 PM
I'm looking forward to the season finishing and the summer so I can have a break from this dross football, although the summer could be equally as painful when Pulis is given carte blanche in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on May 05, 2015, 04:34:03 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2015, 03:36:52 PM
Pulis has got results and fair play to him.  7 points from the last 9 with an average of 26% possession is some achievement and not something I think many anticipated would happen. Playing not to lose against sides can clearly get results.

As I have said all along, I don't like Pulis' style of play and I think he is a very lucky manager. He has, for me, been responsible for most of our worst league performances of the season (Leicester,  QPR,  Tottenham,  Man City...) and our general play and statistics have got worse under him but it is a results game and he is our Coach,  so like ALL coaches before him I support him.

I do think we could do much better but that doesn't mean I am starting up a campaign to have him removed.

A very lucky manager??? Bearing in mind he had years of success at Stoke, came in and saved Palace and now looks to have done the same with us, I'm not sure how he can be described as lucky!?!

Also, if we are talking about results, I really struggle to see how we could do much better with the current squad! We weren't doing as well as Pulis is doing under Clarke (apart from his first few months in charge), we werent doing better under Mel and we werent doing as well under Irvine!!!

I think it is unfair on Pulis that when most new managers come in, it is often said they need time and their own players...yet Pulis isn't being afforded that by some on here. Historically he doesn't play attractive, expansive football, however I will judge his playing style with us when he has signed some of his own players. In any case, I'd rather see an Albion team fighting and battling together like we did Saturday than a team who play fancy football but lose most weeks!

Pulis has come in to a club that has performed badly on the pitch and off it for the last couple of years...and in the matter of a couple of months, he has turned our fortunes round on the pitch, and has had the authority to make changes behind the scenes (such as getting rid of Downing etc...something which many have cried out for for quite a while). Hopefully no longer will we have clowns like Burton and Day dictating who we sign!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on May 05, 2015, 04:50:52 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2015, 03:36:52 PM
Pulis has got results and fair play to him.  7 points from the last 9 with an average of 26% possession is some achievement and not something I think many anticipated would happen. Playing not to lose against sides can clearly get results.

As I have said all along, I don't like Pulis' style of play and I think he is a very lucky manager. He has, for me, been responsible for most of our worst league performances of the season (Leicester,  QPR,  Tottenham,  Man City...) and our general play and statistics have got worse under him but it is a results game and he is our Coach,  so like ALL coaches before him I support him.

I do think we could do much better but that doesn't mean I am starting up a campaign to have him removed.

Fair enough.

Don't really think you can simply make the sweeping statement of 'he's lucky'. There is an element of luck in most teams victories, that doesn't suddenly make them purely 'lucky'.

Find it tough to accept that you mention the poor performances (which any team of our calibre is likely to have) but make no mention of some of the fantastic results and at times performances under Tony Pulis. Bear in mind, the job between when he took over and now was to keep us up, regardless of how we play.

I don't think anyone can argue he deserves an opportunity to show us he can be a bit more dynamic than he has been at times, with the right players.

In terms of 'much better' if you mean in terms of playing style I may be inclined to agree to a point. But in terms of the most important thing for a club of our size, points, there isn't much better than Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stever60 on May 05, 2015, 04:55:20 PM
Quote from: AshD on May 05, 2015, 04:34:03 PM
A very lucky manager??? Bearing in mind he had years of success at Stoke, came in and saved Palace and now looks to have done the same with us, I'm not sure how he can be described as lucky!?!

Also, if we are talking about results, I really struggle to see how we could do much better with the current squad! We weren't doing as well as Pulis is doing under Clarke (apart from his first few months in charge), we werent doing better under Mel and we werent doing as well under Irvine!!!

I think it is unfair on Pulis that when most new managers come in, it is often said they need time and their own players...yet Pulis isn't being afforded that by some on here. Historically he doesn't play attractive, expansive football, however I will judge his playing style with us when he has signed some of his own players. In any case, I'd rather see an Albion team fighting and battling together like we did Saturday than a team who play fancy football but lose most weeks!

Pulis has come in to a club that has performed badly on the pitch and off it for the last couple of years...and in the matter of a couple of months, he has turned our fortunes round on the pitch, and has had the authority to make changes behind the scenes (such as getting rid of Downing etc...something which many have cried out for for quite a while). Hopefully no longer will we have clowns like Burton and Day dictating who we sign!
I agree. He can can only work with the squad he has and he is definitely trying to wotk to ours strengths. The fact that it is unattractive football shows that we haven't got that many.

Judge him next year. I personally think he is a good fit for Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 05, 2015, 04:57:33 PM
Quote from: AshD on May 05, 2015, 04:34:03 PM
Bearing in mind he had years of success at Stoke, came in and saved Palace and now looks to have done the same with us, I'm not sure how he can be described as lucky!?!

Yes who can forget those many years of great success at Stoke, when year on year they finished in such superb positions like 14th,15th and 16th in the league while he only had the 3rd highest net spend in the Premier League and doing it in such a stylish way as well.  And who can forget the sorrow and out paw of the Stoke fans when he was eventually sacked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 05, 2015, 05:19:28 PM
When Pulis first came here, before his Albion side had even kicked a ball, he said in one interview "I believe, the harder you work, the luckier you get".

It says how well he's doing that people are clutching at straws and calling him lucky. 'Luck' takes away any achievement, it under-cuts hours of unseen hardwork and effort and umbrellas them under something which is uncontrollable. Pulis isn't lucky, he's a good footballing man who knows how to get results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 05, 2015, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on May 05, 2015, 04:57:33 PM
Yes who can forget those many years of great success at Stoke, when year on year they finished in such superb positions like 14th,15th and 16th in the league while he only had the 3rd highest net spend in the Premier League and doing it in such a stylish way as well.  And who can forget the sorrow and out paw of the Stoke fans when he was eventually sacked.
That worries me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 05, 2015, 05:38:49 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on May 05, 2015, 05:24:48 PM
That worries me.
It shouldn't do.
He was bankrolled by one of the wealthiest chairmen in the league at the time who didn't mind spending his money.
However, in the first premiership season - their budget was very similar to ours...the difference is we got relegated. I vividly remember we went head-to-head for Scott Carson who chose us, so Stoke went for the cheaper option in Sorensen, who turned out to be a better 'keeper in the end.

The only reason Pulis was allowed to spend was because of his success; he proved to Stoke that he could maintain PL status and I believe the money he spent was also bankrolled by the PL TV money etc.

So really, it's not as bad as it looks. If you look at the likes of Crouch, N'Zonzi, Adam etc - he spent fairly big fees on them; but they've also been there for a good few years now and clearly improved the team. Others will gladly highlight Pulis' worst transfers whilst at Stoke but he was there for nearly 10 years, so it's law of averages that he'd make some bad signings, even Ashworth bought in Rosenberg et al and he was a great scout.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2015, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on May 05, 2015, 05:19:28 PM
When Pulis first came here, before his Albion side had even kicked a ball, he said in one interview "I believe, the harder you work, the luckier you get".

It says how well he's doing that people are clutching at straws and calling him lucky. 'Luck' takes away any achievement, it under-cuts hours of unseen hardwork and effort and umbrellas them under something which is uncontrollable. Pulis isn't lucky, he's a good footballing man who knows how to get results.
Clutching at straws? He is lucky. He was lucky with the timing of his appointment coinciding with a run of winnable games (which to his credit he won). There are probably other occasions but off the top of my head we were lucky not to lose to Everton (penalty miss), Sunderland (incorrectly given offside), etc. and anyway being lucky is not a bad thing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on May 05, 2015, 06:05:46 PM
Was it not Napoleon that said “I know he's a good general, but is he lucky?”
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 05, 2015, 06:06:22 PM
Net spend was high because nobody was sold on. Look at the starting XI the last month and 7-8 of those were signed by Pulis. He was never under pressure to sell Shawcross or Begovic to balance the books. As far as league position goes:

2008/09 - 12th - 45 points
2009-10 - 11th - 47 points
2010/11 - 13th - 46 points
2011/12 - 14th - 45 points
2012/13 - 13th - 42 points

Don't forget during those seasons West Brom were Yo-Yoing up and down with Mowbray and Di Matteo. Mel was sending you down until Norwich messed up with their games. And the general opinion is Irvine would have sent you down over a full season. So I can't see how people can look down their nose and sarcastically say "such superb positions like 14th,15th and 16th." Pulis has out performed every manager West Brom have had during that period. Hodgson had a similar record before leaving for England. Clarke had a decent first year finishing with 49 points (a superb 2 points better than Pulis' best Stoke season) followed by winning 9 out of 41 games...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2015, 06:06:50 PM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on May 05, 2015, 04:50:52 PM
Fair enough.

Don't really think you can simply make the sweeping statement of 'he's lucky'. There is an element of luck in most teams victories, that doesn't suddenly make them purely 'lucky'.

Find it tough to accept that you mention the poor performances (which any team of our calibre is likely to have) but make no mention of some of the fantastic results and at times performances under Tony Pulis. Bear in mind, the job between when he took over and now was to keep us up, regardless of how we play.

I don't think anyone can argue he deserves an opportunity to show us he can be a bit more dynamic than he has been at times, with the right players.

In terms of 'much better' if you mean in terms of playing style I may be inclined to agree to a point. But in terms of the most important thing for a club of our size, points, there isn't much better than Pulis.
Results or performances?

We have had more bad results against some poor teams than we have had good but Man U was a great result with 20 % of the possession and 1 in 2 passes going astray. I have also enjoyed the performances against Stoke at home and West Ham in the cup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 05, 2015, 06:15:42 PM
performances are subjective, results are fact. Performances only can get you relegated (Burnley this year, Mowbray's Albion). Good results allow a club to build (Megson's days) and then on top of this, you can ensure performances improve.

We need to look at the bigger picture. We now need to consolidate, then strengthen a step at a time. We've had a couple of bad years hence why Pulis was brought into to save us. The first half of this season was horrible. The fans were divided. Now there's a few (vocal on here )  detractors rather than a majority..........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2015, 06:30:41 PM
Quote from: darbolina on May 05, 2015, 06:15:42 PM
performances are subjective, results are fact. Performances only can get you relegated (Burnley this year, Mowbray's Albion). Good results allow a club to build (Megson's days) and then on top of this, you can ensure performances improve.

We need to look at the bigger picture. We now need to consolidate, then strengthen a step at a time. We've had a couple of bad years hence why Pulis was brought into to save us. The first half of this season was horrible. The fans were divided. Now there's a few (vocal on here )  detractors rather than a majority..........
Would totally agree and if it is only results that you are interested in then all you need is teletext. :)

Our problem, in my opinion, has been that we have never replaced our strikers effectively following SKP, Odemwhingy and Lukaku.  (Berahino has done well but is still learning) Bringing in a defense minded coach is not what we require in the long term.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 05, 2015, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2015, 05:53:07 PM
Clutching at straws? He is lucky. He was lucky with the timing of his appointment coinciding with a run of winnable games (which to his credit he won). There are probably other occasions but off the top of my head we were lucky not to lose to Everton (penalty miss), Sunderland (incorrectly given offside), etc. and anyway being lucky is not a bad thing!
Rubbish, he's played the same games that Irvine lost and he's won them, that's not lucky - Irvine had an 'easy' start with winnable fixtures but he messed it up.
Against Everton/Sunderland we got lucky indeed, but we were also unlucky against Villa and Leicester.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on May 05, 2015, 07:37:55 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2015, 06:30:41 PM
Would totally agree and if it is only results that you are interested in then all you need is teletext. :)

Our problem, in my opinion, has been that we have never replaced our strikers effectively following SKP, Odemwhingy and Lukaku.  (Berahino has done well but is still learning) Bringing in a defense minded coach is not what we require in the long term.

But if you don't have the forwards in the squad to score many goals you make sure that you concede as few goals as possible, which is exactly what a Pulis has done!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on May 05, 2015, 07:52:18 PM
I think it would have been better to have Mowbray back, then we could play attractive football and go down in style,with our masks on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 05, 2015, 07:54:53 PM
Quote from: divinewind on May 05, 2015, 07:52:18 PM
I think it would have been better to have Mowbray back, then we could play attractive football and go down in style,with our masks on.
And get praise, from visiting managers as to our "Style" Instead I would rather see the likes of VG looking like he is on borrowed time!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on May 05, 2015, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on May 05, 2015, 03:59:21 PM
I'm looking forward to the season finishing and the summer so I can have a break from this dross football, although the summer could be equally as painful when Pulis is given carte blanche in the transfer market.

Indeed, heaven forbid he should turn us into a comfortable mid table PL outfit, can't remember the last time Stoke were involved in a relegation battle!

He needn't start planning any cup final appearances or European qualifications either, we haven't been subjected to anything like that for 30-40 years now!

After all, we're just fine in our Hawthorns bubble with our reputation for playing exciting, attacking football which brings us success year after year  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ComebackStrodds on May 05, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: divinewind on May 05, 2015, 07:52:18 PM
I think it would have been better to have Mowbray back, then we could play attractive football and go down in style,with our masks on.

id take hoof ball premier league survival over going down anyday of the week. There is no such thing as going down in style. If we went down we wouldn't bounce straight back. We've been out of the Championship for too long. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 06, 2015, 06:49:19 AM
Quote from: ComebackStrodds on May 05, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
id take hoof ball premier league survival over going down anyday of the week. There is no such thing as going down in style. If we went down we wouldn't bounce straight back. We've been out of the Championship for too long.
How about playing football with style and staying up or is that not possible?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 06, 2015, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on May 05, 2015, 07:33:40 PM
Rubbish, he's played the same games that Irvine lost and he's won them, that's not lucky - Irvine had an 'easy' start with winnable fixtures but he messed it up.
Against Everton/Sunderland we got lucky indeed, but we were also unlucky against Villa and Leicester.
Lets look at the two Man U games this season.

Twice as much possession in one compared to the other. Nearly half as many more shots in one than the other. A deflected goal and penalty miss in one and a goal that could/should have been disallowed in the build up for a fairly blatant foul. One, thanks to fine margins and an element of luck is probably result of the season to date.

Being lucky is not a problem. It exists, enjoy it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 06, 2015, 07:22:14 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 06, 2015, 06:49:19 AM
How about playing football with style and staying up or is that not possible?
Seemingly not. Obviously all clubs outside the top 6 or 7 should adopt an attritional, cynical, long ball style and park the bus in all away games. What a spectacle we'd then have in the Premier League.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 06, 2015, 07:43:22 AM
I think we all want the same thing, Albion being successful whilst playing great football. The debate is over how we get there ( I think).

After Roy, and Dan Ashworth, we lacked leadership on the football side. Clarke, Mel (Downing) nor Irvine provided this. Pulls does. He will get us through some potentially  choppy waters (new ownership, squad refresh) and leave us in a better place as a club, like Megson did I'm sure.

The best teams are built over time and perhaps under 2 or 3 different managers (Southampton =Pardew, Adkins, Poc & Koeman) and Swansea similar) . We're beginning that rebuild now with someone who is known building solid foundations. Sounds about right to me?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 06, 2015, 08:26:44 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 05, 2015, 06:06:22 PM
Net spend was high because nobody was sold on. Look at the starting XI the last month and 7-8 of those were signed by Pulis. He was never under pressure to sell Shawcross or Begovic to balance the books. As far as league position goes:

2008/09 - 12th - 45 points
2009-10 - 11th - 47 points
2010/11 - 13th - 46 points
2011/12 - 14th - 45 points
2012/13 - 13th - 42 points

Don't forget during those seasons West Brom were Yo-Yoing up and down with Mowbray and Di Matteo. Mel was sending you down until Norwich messed up with their games. And the general opinion is Irvine would have sent you down over a full season. So I can't see how people can look down their nose and sarcastically say "such superb positions like 14th,15th and 16th." Pulis has out performed every manager West Brom have had during that period. Hodgson had a similar record before leaving for England. Clarke had a decent first year finishing with 49 points (a superb 2 points better than Pulis' best Stoke season) followed by winning 9 out of 41 games...

no he didn't in the seasons 2010/11, 2011/12 and 2012/13 we finished higher than Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 06, 2015, 08:52:20 AM
Its a tough one Pulis definitely serves up interesting debate though i reckon he would keep us up for couple years whether he builds on an attacking platform im unsure about however.

The poster who put that the cups is down to luck of the draw sounds as bad as Chris Lepowski on our cup efforts, We have been pitiful west ham game aside for a number of years now but i honestly believe thats because the club along with many others remain focused on staying up and finishing as high as possible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on May 06, 2015, 09:05:25 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on May 05, 2015, 04:57:33 PM
Yes who can forget those many years of great success at Stoke, when year on year they finished in such superb positions like 14th,15th and 16th in the league while he only had the 3rd highest net spend in the Premier League and doing it in such a stylish way as well.  And who can forget the sorrow and out paw of the Stoke fans when he was eventually sacked.

Do you not think after the last couple of years of rubbish, where lets face it, we are lucky to still be in the prem, that a year or two of stability would not be good for the club!?!

Pulis was brought in to keep us up and get the club moving forward again...so far he has done this!

I could understand criticism of the playing style if we had been playing free flowing, attractive football for years...but we havent!!! What was the playing style under Irvine??? I don't actually know - we were poor at the back, and poor going forward! Pepe Mel tried to get us playing football, but lets face it, he failed! Clarke played decent football to begin with...but I suppose you can when you have the likes of Odemwingie and Lukaku in your team! The football soon went by the wayside when we started losing! Trying to attack doesnt mean you actually do it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 06, 2015, 09:09:34 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 05, 2015, 06:06:22 PM
Net spend was high because nobody was sold on. Look at the starting XI the last month and 7-8 of those were signed by Pulis. He was never under pressure to sell Shawcross or Begovic to balance the books. As far as league position goes:

2008/09 - 12th - 45 points
2009-10 - 11th - 47 points
2010/11 - 13th - 46 points
2011/12 - 14th - 45 points
2012/13 - 13th - 42 points

Don't forget during those seasons West Brom were Yo-Yoing up and down with Mowbray and Di Matteo. Mel was sending you down until Norwich messed up with their games. And the general opinion is Irvine would have sent you down over a full season. So I can't see how people can look down their nose and sarcastically say "such superb positions like 14th,15th and 16th." Pulis has out performed every manager West Brom have had during that period. Hodgson had a similar record before leaving for England. Clarke had a decent first year finishing with 49 points (a superb 2 points better than Pulis' best Stoke season) followed by winning 9 out of 41 games...

I quite like Tony Pulis being here.

However, while I don't mean to be picky, but since the Mowbray promotion of season of 2007-2008, we have only spent one season in the Championship (2009-2010). One season during the time that Stoke City have been in the Premier League.

Further, since we were first promoted to the Prem' under Gary Megson (season ending 2002), we have spent nine from thirteen seasons in the top flight. Two of the four seasons in the Championship (2006-2007 and 2007-2008) were consecutive.

Three relegations in thirteen seasons.
The Yo Yo tag is not really appropriate and smacks of lazy journalistic tendencies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 06, 2015, 09:21:44 AM
Someone mentioned on here if we carried on like we did under pulis for a whole season we would of finished on 55 points  :o more than acceptable for me regardless of playing style that is, TP is no mug infact very intelligent and a very good manager i will wait and see whats served up and lets face it hes style is not really one that loses you games on the whole so i can see him being here for the next couple years before fans really make an opinion the majority anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 06, 2015, 09:23:41 AM
For me the result of the season was the 0-0 with Liverpool. On the back of 2 horrible defeats the pressure was really on and relegation a genuine threat, when most of us thought we were safe. Pulis new what was needed and got a performance out of a group of players who's confidence must have been rock bottom. I don't think any of Clarke, Mel, Downing or Irvine could have done that.
That being said, as a spectacle it was pretty much unwatchable.
That sums up Pulis for me, he'll get results and keep us safe, whether we'll be happy to watch it is another matter.
As someone alluded to earlier, he is a great teletext manager!  ;)
Me, I'm happy to see some stability after 3 rocky seasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 06, 2015, 09:29:20 AM
It seems under 'prgamatic' managers we've stayed up whlist with managers who have an idealistic view of the game we haven't? The football under Roy was not great but he had excellent forwards at his disposal who could break at pace - a bit like Pulis did at Palace last year.

If Pulis signs a bunch of big, slow hoofers and we're playing awful football but staying up, I'd agree that we'd need a change but you can't base a not liking Pulis today for what he might do in the future. The man has a clear pedigree for getting promoted from every division and never having been relegated in his whole career. He knows something surely.

I keep mentioning Megson but his appointment reminds me of SGM - the club needs a bit of a shake up from a malaise before we can progress. We also need someone who can stablise us. Who else out there would be better Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche, an other foreign manager? They're all big gambles at a time we can't afford to gamble (look at the long line of relegated prem clubs who keep falling or fester in the lower reaches of the championship).

If someone said 15 years ago, you can get promoted playing defensive football, I'd have snapped their hand off. Some of the most memorable seasons I can remember were under 'defensive' minded managers Megson, Robson, Hodgson to name three. Mowbray's season in the Champ (08) was great and I was proud as well as entertained for many matches however the season after in the prem, we were always 'weak' and there for the taking. I was frankly fed up with other clubs saying 'they play nice football' after they'd beat us.

Allardyce's West Ham in the first half of this season played some decent football in spite of his reputation. Mourinho's Chelsea played some good football at the start of the season and then reverted to defensive type. Sucessful managers (like Pulis - check his career vs many) know that without winning football you don't have a job/ team. Therefore, at times they do what's required.

I want Albion to win first then do it well second! COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 06, 2015, 09:32:35 AM
Once we get some pace into the side I think we will turn out to be a decent counter attacking side but still remain tight at the back. At the moment we have no one who can carry a ball or anyone up front to hold it up to take pressure of us defensively. It will all come down to whether or not we can bring in the required players. If the last 2 summers are anything to go by then I doubt very much that we will.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on May 06, 2015, 09:47:59 AM
Quote from: darbolina on May 06, 2015, 09:29:20 AM
It seems under 'prgamatic' managers we've stayed up whlist with managers who have an idealistic view of the game we haven't? The football under Roy was not great but he had excellent forwards at his disposal who could break at pace - a bit like Pulis did at Palace last year.

If Pulis signs a bunch of big, slow hoofers and we're playing awful football but staying up, I'd agree that we'd need a change but you can't base a not liking Pulis today for what he might do in the future. The man has a clear pedigree for getting promoted from every division and never having been relegated in his whole career. He knows something surely.

I keep mentioning Megson but his appointment reminds me of SGM - the club needs a bit of a shake up from a malaise before we can progress. We also need someone who can stablise us. Who else out there would be better Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche, an other foreign manager? They're all big gambles at a time we can't afford to gamble (look at the long line of relegated prem clubs who keep falling or fester in the lower reaches of the championship).

If someone said 15 years ago, you can get promoted playing defensive football, I'd have snapped their hand off. Some of the most memorable seasons I can remember were under 'defensive' minded managers Megson, Robson, Hodgson to name three. Mowbray's season in the Champ (08) was great and I was proud as well as entertained for many matches however the season after in the prem, we were always 'weak' and there for the taking. I was frankly fed up with other clubs saying 'they play nice football' after they'd beat us.

Allardyce's West Ham in the first half of this season played some decent football in spite of his reputation. Mourinho's Chelsea played some good football at the start of the season and then reverted to defensive type. Sucessful managers (like Pulis - check his career vs many) know that without winning football you don't have a job/ team. Therefore, at times they do what's required.

I want Albion to win first then do it well second! COYB

Absolutely bang on in my opinion!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 06, 2015, 11:29:45 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 06, 2015, 08:26:44 AM
no he didn't in the seasons 2010/11, 2011/12 and 2012/13 we finished higher than Stoke.

As I said further down, Hodgson had a similar record to Pulis. 2010/11 he finished 1 point above Pulis and in 2011/12 he finished 2 points ahead. That's a small margin over a 38 game season. Hodgson's West Brom win rate: 37% compared to Pulis' Stoke win rate: 35% shows how close they were. Hodgson wasn't around long enough to have a long term in charge, so it's hard to tell if he would stay consistent with a 35-37% win rate or drop off like Clarke did.

Speaking of Clarke, he did great in 2012/13 and finished 2 points ahead of Pulis' best ever points tally. But he followed that up by winning just 9 out of 41 and getting the sack. So overall Pulis out performed him.

Mel was statistically the 16th worst manager in Premier League history and Irvine had never managed at the top before. So those 2 weren't even close to Pulis.

People can argue and dissect stats all day if they like. The truth is Pulis has proven he'll get any club into midtable over a full season. He got there with Stoke every season. He got Palace there after 3/4 of a season. And he is close to getting West Brom there after 1/2 a season (depends on how the last 3 results go).

Looking down your nose and thinking he luckily hoofs his way to 15th or 16th while spending hundreds of millions is just wrong. He's a consistent mid table man.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 06, 2015, 12:01:39 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on May 06, 2015, 09:21:44 AM
Someone mentioned on here if we carried on like we did under pulis for a whole season we would of finished on 55 points  :o more than acceptable for me regardless of playing style that is, TP is no mug infact very intelligent and a very good manager i will wait and see whats served up and lets face it hes style is not really one that loses you games on the whole so i can see him being here for the next couple years before fans really make an opinion the majority anyway.
It's not a very accurate figure,as under Sherwood Villa would get over 60 point throughout a season (19pts in 11 games) and Leicester from mid February would be on roughly as many points as we would be (17pt in 10 games) but we know that these tallies' are unlikely as the clubs have patches of good and bad form, shown by Leicester who, despite not changing all that much, are 20 points shy of where their form suggests them to be.

Realistically, Pulis will be aiming for that magic 40 point mark, which he usually gets, but not a whole lot more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 06, 2015, 12:25:19 PM
I want attractive football, but that is irrelevant as is what you all want.

What is relevant is what does the clubs ownership want !
I would suggest that as (a potentially selling) owner
a) JP wants Premier League status at all costs.
b) Secondly he may want attractive football or he might want to minimise investment and do just enough to survive (see Mike Ashley). 
Now JP says the right things about "correct buyer", suspending sale at a  specified date to "protect the club", or it could all be a charade to ensure he "invests" as little as possible but still achieves (a).

Who really knows? JP and very few others I would suggest.

So we can argue, pontificate and comment but ultimately we will just watch what ensues and enjoy it or get frustrated by it, we certainly will not affect it!

This is the premier league, get used to it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 06, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: AshD on May 06, 2015, 09:05:25 AM
Do you not think after the last couple of years of rubbish, where lets face it, we are lucky to still be in the prem, that a year or two of stability would not be good for the club!?!

Pulis was brought in to keep us up and get the club moving forward again...so far he has done this!

I could understand criticism of the playing style if we had been playing free flowing, attractive football for years...but we havent!!! What was the playing style under Irvine??? I don't actually know - we were poor at the back, and poor going forward! Pepe Mel tried to get us playing football, but lets face it, he failed! Clarke played decent football to begin with...but I suppose you can when you have the likes of Odemwingie and Lukaku in your team! The football soon went by the wayside when we started losing! Trying to attack doesnt mean you actually do it!

I keep hearing the endorsement of an extended Pulis reign, which is argued will aid the club in becoming established in this division, well in my opinion that isn’t a particularly ambitious remit seeing as next season we will be heading into our 6th consecutive season in the Premier League.  Six seasons? Are we not established enough already?

Sure, as you rightly say, the last two seasons haven’t been good in terms of our playing style and the general entertainment that has been served up by the team has not been satisfactory but does that mean we should just accept our lot and be bored to tears every weekend?  I’d like us to strive for a bit of style, a bit of flair and a bit of imagination, I’d like our team to be setup (especially at home) in a manner which doesn’t solely focus on how to stifle and nullify but principally how to use our own capabilities to inflict damage on the oppositions vulnerabilities.

Again I also hear the results versus performance argument, in my opinion they are not mutually exclusive concepts, there are also the patronising Mowbray and tippy-tappy remarks, why does it have to be one extreme to another?   I’m not advocating some sort of utopian tika-takka I’d just like us to show more ambition, I don’t see any sort of victory having the majority of possession but,  maybe slight contradictory, I do like to see my team have more than 30% possession of the ball during a home game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stever60 on May 06, 2015, 12:34:07 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on May 06, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
I keep hearing the endorsement of an extended Pulis reign, which is argued  will aid this club in becoming established in this division, well in my opinion that isn’t a particularly ambitious remit seeing as next season we will be heading into our 6th consecutive season in the Premier League.   Six seasons?  Are we not established enough already?

Sure, as you rightly say, the last two seasons haven’t been good in terms of our playing style and the general entertainment that has been served by the team has not been satisfactory but does that mean we should accept our lot and be bored to tears every weekend?  I’d like us to strive for a bit of style, a bit of fair and a bit of imagination, I’d like our team to be setup (especially at home) in a manner which doesn’t solely focus on how to stifle and nullify but principally how to use our own capabilities to inflict damage on the oppositions vulnerabilities.

Again I also hear the results versus performance argument, in my opinion they are not mutually exclusive concepts, there are also the patronising Mowbray and tippy-tappy remarks, why does it have to be one extreme to another?   I’m not advocating some sort of utopian tika-takka I’d just like us to show more ambition, I don’t see any sort of victory having the majority of possession but,  maybe slight contradictory, I do like to see my team have more than 30% possession of the ball during a home game.
And for that you need the players. This current batch, bar a couple, are bereft of any real quality. So....lets see what the summer brings. 2014/15 is job done. Survival.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 06, 2015, 12:40:00 PM
All this talk about what he did at Stoke does make me smile......his Crystal Palace team of last year were rather good, and he walked out over a row with the chairman because TP wanted to improve the squad further..... so he does have ambition.

To be honest, after QPR and Leicester I thought we were done for, I had not seen such poor football for quite some time....and I was feeling a little bit anti TP too. However, the Liverpool game was a good result, and for me we saw a potential glimpse of what may lay ahead in Callum McManaman - personally I thought he was MOTM....and he was a Pulis signing! His other signing has not been too bad either.... how long have we cried out for a captain who actually communicates?

The last two results have been unexpected to be fair, but the lads have got stuck in and we are now all but safe, so TP has done what he was recruited for - to keep us in the Premiership. Job done.

Now he has a chance to bring in his own players, so lets see what he comes up with before we condemn him.....after all, who else is out there who is better?

I am not happy with the way he sometimes sets his team up to defend, but he has outwitted LVG and that has given us so much bragging rights its untrue......TP is a smart man and we need to get behind him. Next season will be massive for us.     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on May 06, 2015, 12:56:09 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on May 06, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
I keep hearing the endorsement of an extended Pulis reign, which is argued will aid the club in becoming established in this division, well in my opinion that isn’t a particularly ambitious remit seeing as next season we will be heading into our 6th consecutive season in the Premier League.  Six seasons? Are we not established enough already?

Sure, as you rightly say, the last two seasons haven’t been good in terms of our playing style and the general entertainment that has been served up by the team has not been satisfactory but does that mean we should just accept our lot and be bored to tears every weekend?  I’d like us to strive for a bit of style, a bit of fair and a bit of imagination, I’d like our team to be setup (especially at home) in a manner which doesn’t solely focus on how to stifle and nullify but principally how to use our own capabilities to inflict damage on the oppositions vulnerabilities.

Again I also hear the results versus performance argument, in my opinion they are not mutually exclusive concepts, there are also the patronising Mowbray and tippy-tappy remarks, why does it have to be one extreme to another?   I’m not advocating some sort of utopian tika-takka I’d just like us to show more ambition, I don’t see any sort of victory having the majority of possession but,  maybe slight contradictory, I do like to see my team have more than 30% possession of the ball during a home game.

To be fair, I havent endorsed a long Pulis reign! I do feel if the club is to kick on, him stabilising us over the next year or two is vital...yes, it will be outr sixth consecutive season, but we were heading one way before he took over!

I agree that more positive intent would be nice to see at home...but this season, the aim was to keep us up at any cost! I know Pulis isnt known for an attractive style, but I can't believe that this is how he wants us to play long term! I'd rather wait and see what players are brought in during the summer and how we are set up next season before judging! I'm sorry but there is very little pace and creative falir in the current squad to allow us to play expansive, free flowing football - two/three years of poor football endorses this! Whilst we bang on about Sessegnon, on the whole he is disappointing...but he remains our only real flair player (apart from Saido maybe).

I just feel we need to cut Pulis a bit of slack...let him have the summer to build a squad capable of playing how he wants, and then judge him. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 06, 2015, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: AshD on May 06, 2015, 12:56:09 PM
To be fair, I havent endorsed a long Pulis reign! I do feel if the club is to kick on, him stabilising us over the next year or two is vital...yes, it will be outr sixth consecutive season, but we were heading one way before he took over!

I agree that more positive intent would be nice to see at home...but this season, the aim was to keep us up at any cost! I know Pulis isnt known for an attractive style, but I can't believe that this is how he wants us to play long term! I'd rather wait and see what players are brought in during the summer and how we are set up next season before judging! I'm sorry but there is very little pace and creative falir in the current squad to allow us to play expansive, free flowing football - two/three years of poor football endorses this! Whilst we bang on about Sessegnon, on the whole he is disappointing...but he remains our only real flair player (apart from Saido maybe).

I just feel we need to cut Pulis a bit of slack...let him have the summer to build a squad capable of playing how he wants, and then judge him.
Fully agree with that , I'm not going to judge Pulis on Stoke or Palace ..i will judge him this time next season when he has hopefully worked with a squad of his choice . Apart from Villa and a couple of other games he had done very well with a very limited , slow , ageing , inconsistent squad for my money .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on May 06, 2015, 01:27:44 PM
i think we need to define an established premier league club,  I would say it is one that comes straight back up as a matter of course when relegated, which is something that could happen to any number of clubs.  Newcastle, West Ham have done so in the recent past, so that would be the criteria for me.  It means the infrastructure must be there, and in my view we have done an excellent job while yo-yoing at building that up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 06, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on May 06, 2015, 01:27:44 PM
i think we need to define an established premier league club,  I would say it is one that comes straight back up as a matter of course when relegated, which is something that could happen to any number of clubs.  Newcastle, West Ham have done so in the recent past, so that would be the criteria for me.  It means the infrastructure must be there, and in my view we have done an excellent job while yo-yoing at building that up.
Bournemouth have some way to go then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on May 06, 2015, 02:01:09 PM
We are as established a Premier League club as any barring the select few surely?

The only clubs I see that cannot possibly go down are Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham ................. and that's pretty much it isn't it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on May 06, 2015, 02:02:51 PM
Quote from: Atomic on May 06, 2015, 02:01:09 PM
We are as established a Premier League club as any barring the select few surely?

The only clubs I see that cannot possibly go down are Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham ................. and that's pretty much it isn't it?

vile, never seem to drop no matter how bad they are
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 06, 2015, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on May 06, 2015, 02:02:51 PM
vile, never seem to drop no matter how bad they are

That's because we always give them a helping hand every season.  >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on May 06, 2015, 02:12:07 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on May 06, 2015, 02:02:51 PM
vile, never seem to drop no matter how bad they are


Yeah well that lot would survive anything. The luckiest football club in the world probably.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on May 06, 2015, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: Atomic on May 06, 2015, 02:12:07 PM

Yeah well that lot would survive anything. The luckiest football club in the world probably.

As someone said, they're cockroaches and would survive a Nuclear Holocaust 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on May 06, 2015, 02:35:36 PM
There are positives and negatives to all of this. I'm pretty much a fan of Pulis and feel he deserves his chance at buliding his own team at the Baggies.

Ultimately I like many want to see us playing better football, and so I agree with some regarding their concerns about Pulis. However we need to give him his chance to prove that his football isn't going to be as super negative as it has been in recent weeks. Maybe a happier middle ground, and importantly with that, stability.

I can see both sides of the argument, genuinely. But I fall on the Pulis side of the fence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 06, 2015, 04:23:39 PM
Quote from: Atomic on May 06, 2015, 02:01:09 PM
We are as established a Premier League club as any barring the select few surely?

The only clubs I see that cannot possibly go down are Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham ................. and that's pretty much it isn't it?
Add Everton to that list, been in first div since gods dog was a puppy (1931)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 06, 2015, 06:02:59 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on May 06, 2015, 12:40:00 PM
All this talk about what he did at Stoke does make me smile......his Crystal Palace team of last year were rather good, and he walked out over a row with the chairman because TP wanted to improve the squad further..... so he does have ambition.

To be honest, after QPR and Leicester I thought we were done for, I had not seen such poor football for quite some time....and I was feeling a little bit anti TP too. However, the Liverpool game was a good result, and for me we saw a potential glimpse of what may lay ahead in Callum McManaman - personally I thought he was MOTM....and he was a Pulis signing! His other signing has not been too bad either.... how long have we cried out for a captain who actually communicates?

The last two results have been unexpected to be fair, but the lads have got stuck in and we are now all but safe, so TP has done what he was recruited for - to keep us in the Premiership. Job done.

Now he has a chance to bring in his own players, so lets see what he comes up with before we condemn him.....after all, who else is out there who is better?

I am not happy with the way he sometimes sets his team up to defend, but he has outwitted LVG and that has given us so much bragging rights its untrue......TP is a smart man and we need to get behind him. Next season will be massive for us.   
It is interesting how people hang on to his "exciting" Crystal Palace team as hope to how he may perform here.

He inherited a side from Ian Holloway that knew how to go forward but not how to defend. The players that Pulis brought in were defense minded (Puncheon was on loan already) and they then started getting clean sheets.

Of his 26 games in charge they scored more than 1 goal only on 6 occasions. Memorably (and what may taint our view) one of the six was when they put three passed us. The other matches were against Cardiff twice (relegated) Fulham (relegated) and , fair play, Everton and Liverpool. Maybe not that exciting?

He has established his career on being difficult to beat, it is why we employed him, and I believe expecting him to change his philosophy is fanciful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 06, 2015, 07:55:47 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 06, 2015, 06:02:59 PM
It is interesting how people hang on to his "exciting" Crystal Palace team as hope to how he may perform here.

He inherited a side from Ian Holloway that knew how to go forward but not how to defend. The players that Pulis brought in were defense minded (Puncheon was on loan already) and they then started getting clean sheets.

Of his 26 games in charge they scored more than 1 goal only on 6 occasions. Memorably (and what may taint our view) one of the six was when they put three passed us. The other matches were against Cardiff twice (relegated) Fulham (relegated) and , fair play, Everton and Liverpool. Maybe not that exciting?

He has established his career on being difficult to beat, it is why we employed him, and I believe expecting him to change his philosophy is fanciful.
didn't they also score the least number of goals in the league last year? I think it was only about 20-something
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 06, 2015, 08:09:34 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on May 06, 2015, 07:55:47 PM
didn't they also score the least number of goals in the league last year? I think it was only about 20-something
33 goals in total, only Cardiff and Norwich scored less (32 and 28 respectively). We scored 43.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 06, 2015, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 06, 2015, 06:02:59 PM
It is interesting how people hang on to his "exciting" Crystal Palace team as hope to how he may perform here.

Yes that argument is often directed at Pulis’s detractors, yet the same people also say wait until the summer so he can build a more exciting team, yet the team he had at Palace wasn’t built by him, infact the signings he did make in the January window did little to affect the style of play that was adopted there.

Instead of the 6 months at Palace I tend to judge by the 7 or so years he spent at Stoke where he built the most miserable and cynical team(s) that have ever graced the Premier League.  Regardless, ask many a Palace fan and they will tell you the football wasn’t that good, infact their game against Liverpool seems to have created some sort of myth regarding their style.  Obviously he did a very good job there - I’m talking purely about style of play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on May 06, 2015, 09:17:15 PM
Unfortunately in this day and age there is only one acceptable style and that is one that wins. TP  has found a method that works for him in this respect no more no less
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 06, 2015, 09:26:13 PM
Getting a team from 19th with 1 clean sheet to finish 11th with 11 clean sheets suggests he is a better option than our previous incumbent. Yep, it maybe defensive but those arguments have also been levelled at the current Premier League Champions with their world class pool of talent.

I don't expect him to be here beyond next season if i'm honest and probably won't want him here BUT for now he is the best option for us and has guided us 99.9% of the way to safety with a squad who were coasting along.

I am amazed at the criticism for his style and more amazed that people seem to have expected anything different to what we have. We were in deep pooh and heading one way down. Did any of you honestly think we have a squad here to play our way of trouble ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on May 06, 2015, 09:30:42 PM
There are two sides though and his Palace record does need balancing out.

He inherited a side from Ian Holloway that was struggling in the relegation zone with only two wins, 7 points and a meagre 7 goals from the opening 12 games - hardly the attacking, free scoring style that he failed to live up to during his time there?

They may have only scored 33 goals that season but only conceded 48 (bettered by only six other teams) and more importantly WON 13 matches in total - for the record we scored 43, conceded 59, recorded 7 wins and stayed up by the skin of our teeth!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 06, 2015, 09:48:13 PM
He brought in 2 players Flecher and McManaman.Who have improved the side. . I will go with Pulis I cannot see any other Mgr with the gumption tp keep our club stable and progress.Glad we have him.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on May 06, 2015, 10:01:16 PM
 He is certainly the best of JP´s last 3 managerial decisions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 06, 2015, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on May 06, 2015, 09:30:42 PM
There are two sides though and his Palace record does need balancing out.

He inherited a side from Ian Holloway that was struggling in the relegation zone with only two wins, 7 points and a meagre 7 goals from the opening 12 games - hardly the attacking, free scoring style that he failed to live up to during his time there?

They may have only scored 33 goals that season but only conceded 48 (bettered by only six other teams) and more importantly WON 13 matches in total - for the record we scored 43, conceded 59, recorded 7 wins and stayed up by the skin of our teeth!

Spot on. You can dominate a game and just win 1-0. You can dominate a game and still lose (see the last 3 Man United games!)

Good football is a subjective term. Does it mean having 55% possession of the ball? Does it mean losing 3-2 every game but at least 'having a go'? Does it mean getting a result and going home happy?

People have called Chelsea boring recently, but they still walked the league. People consider Arsenal to play good football, but they went 10 years without winning a trophy. Man United had their best run of form this year when they went direct to Fellaini, but in their last 3 games they went for a possession first approach and lost.

Historically Pulis has had his best results while having 2 effective wingers and a dominant big man in his side. That's not a myth. McMannaman was a priority target in January but he's been unlucky with injuries. That can happen to any player in a contact sport. He hasn't trusted Sessegnon or Varela on the other wing for whatever reason, which has left him without effective wingers like he would want. Up front Brown isn't quite big enough to dominate center backs and Anichebe gets injured while tying his boots. That has left him without that out ball too. Despite missing 3 main components in his preferred system he's still managed a 47% win rate.

Yet for some reason some fans prefer Pepe Mel with his 17% win rate? (Which leaves him as the 16th worst manager in Premier League history)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 06, 2015, 10:06:50 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on May 06, 2015, 09:26:13 PM
Getting a team from 19th with 1 clean sheet to finish 11th with 11 clean sheets suggests he is a better option than our previous incumbent. Yep, it maybe defensive but those arguments have also been levelled at the current Premier League Champions with their world class pool of talent.

I don't expect him to be here beyond next season if i'm honest and probably won't want him here BUT for now he is the best option for us and has guided us 99.9% of the way to safety with a squad who were coasting along.

I am amazed at the criticism for his style and more amazed that people seem to have expected anything different to what we have. We were in deep pooh and heading one way down. Did any of you honestly think we have a squad here to play our way of trouble ?

I think we would of been on sunderlands points total maybe 33 still all to play for i do agree though at times the squad was a mess i think the main thing thats changed is the rocket that pulis has inserted up there backsides they know who is boss and theres no daytrippers happy collecting there wages in the starting 11 anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on May 07, 2015, 12:30:33 AM
Quote from: Albionic on May 06, 2015, 04:23:39 PM
Add Everton to that list, been in first div since gods dog was a puppy (1931)

they spend three years in the 2nd Division during the early 1950s


but point taken :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 07, 2015, 05:34:53 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on May 06, 2015, 09:26:13 PM
Getting a team from 19th with 1 clean sheet to finish 11th with 11 clean sheets suggests he is a better option than our previous incumbent. Yep, it maybe defensive but those arguments have also been levelled at the current Premier League Champions with their world class pool of talent.

I don't expect him to be here beyond next season if i'm honest and probably won't want him here BUT for now he is the best option for us and has guided us 99.9% of the way to safety with a squad who were coasting along.

I am amazed at the criticism for his style and more amazed that people seem to have expected anything different to what we have. We were in deep pooh and heading one way down. Did any of you honestly think we have a squad here to play our way of trouble ?
Absolutely correct Oldbury, and I too am constantly amazed at the level of negativity towards Pulis on this forum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 07, 2015, 07:54:00 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 06, 2015, 10:03:46 PM
Spot on. You can dominate a game and just win 1-0. You can dominate a game and still lose (see the last 3 Man United games!)

Good football is a subjective term. Does it mean having 55% possession of the ball? Does it mean losing 3-2 every game but at least 'having a go'? Does it mean getting a result and going home happy?

People have called Chelsea boring recently, but they still walked the league. People consider Arsenal to play good football, but they went 10 years without winning a trophy. Man United had their best run of form this year when they went direct to Fellaini, but in their last 3 games they went for a possession first approach and lost.

Historically Pulis has had his best results while having 2 effective wingers and a dominant big man in his side. That's not a myth. McMannaman was a priority target in January but he's been unlucky with injuries. That can happen to any player in a contact sport. He hasn't trusted Sessegnon or Varela on the other wing for whatever reason, which has left him without effective wingers like he would want. Up front Brown isn't quite big enough to dominate center backs and Anichebe gets injured while tying his boots. That has left him without that out ball too. Despite missing 3 main components in his preferred system he's still managed a 47% win rate.

Yet for some reason some fans prefer Pepe Mel with his 17% win rate? (Which leaves him as the 16th worst manager in Premier League history)
Is Stoke that poop that you have to spend all your time on a West Brom forum? Would you, your club and your fellow supporters take him back?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 07, 2015, 08:01:19 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on May 07, 2015, 05:34:53 AM
Absolutely correct Oldbury, and I too am constantly amazed at the level of negativity towards Pulis on this forum.
I am surprised you are amazed. Read the Stoke forum from the days when he was their manager.  Personally, I recognise his strengths and cannot fault he is good at what he does.  Do I want to pay hard earned cash to watch it? I hated having to do it once or twice a season, I am a little concerned about having to do it more often.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 07, 2015, 09:24:29 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on May 07, 2015, 05:34:53 AM
Absolutely correct Oldbury, and I too am constantly amazed at the level of negativity towards Pulis on this forum.

To be fair , I think Pulis' detractors are few at the moment because we've been getting results. With Irvine, it was a majority who were against his appointment and him continuing post Christmas. If Pulis continues to get results, I think the negativity will probably remain in the minority.....this game is all about results regardless of our idealism as fans (me included)! The beautiful game my backside! I've seen Barca a few times in the flesh now and it's like watching a beautiful lady from afar - I understand that's my lot as a Baggie - mostly Ha Ha!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 07, 2015, 10:11:49 AM
Guys the topic is Pulis , not how other forums are run.
As stated in the forum rules other teams fans are welcomed and allowed to debate their views as long as they abide the rules set by us ..
Generally we are known as a friendly board , lets keep it that way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 07, 2015, 12:50:01 PM
Not a huge fan of him or his style of play....however it is effective as our turn round in results suggests. I would not pay over 400 quid to watch it though thats for sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 07, 2015, 12:58:30 PM
recruitment will be the key
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 07, 2015, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 07, 2015, 12:58:30 PM
recruitment will be the key

Precisely. I have faith in Pulis selecting the right players, however I have no faith in the club being able to recruit them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 07, 2015, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 07, 2015, 01:00:11 PM
Precisely. I have faith in Pulis selecting the right players, however I have no faith in the club being able to recruit them.

this is our main issue
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on May 07, 2015, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 07, 2015, 01:00:11 PM
Precisely. I have faith in Pulis selecting the right players, however I have no faith in the club being able to recruit them.

I would agree with this, and wasnt this the main reason he left Palace?

I just hope that even if we cant attract the players, we at least give it a good go.

Fletcher looked likely to go West Ham, but hes ended up here, just through us showing interest and giving him our 'best offer.'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 07, 2015, 02:21:09 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on May 07, 2015, 02:18:10 PM
I would agree with this, and wasnt this the main reason he left Palace?

I just hope that even if we cant attract the players, we at least give it a good go.

Fletcher looked likely to go West Ham, but hes ended up here, just through us showing interest and giving him our 'best offer.'

I suspect location would be a factor for fletch, we are commutable from cheshire, whereas West Ham??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 07, 2015, 02:48:07 PM
Quote from: Albionic on May 07, 2015, 02:21:09 PM
I suspect location would be a factor for fletch, we are commutable from cheshire, whereas West Ham??

I'm not sure West Ham offered him a permanent deal. Had they done so he would have gone there I reckon.

I look back at the deal for Olsson that fell through in Jan. By all accounts he did arrive in time to sign but something went wrong. Was that down to us I wonder? Did we move the goalposts at the last minute? I really hope we don't faff around this summer when it comes to transfers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 07, 2015, 02:51:36 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 07, 2015, 02:48:07 PM
I'm not sure West Ham offered him a permanent deal. Had they done so he would have gone there I reckon.

I look back at the deal for Olsson that fell through in Jan. By all accounts he did arrive in time to sign but something went wrong. Was that down to us I wonder? Did we move the goalposts at the last minute? I really hope we don't faff around this summer when it comes to transfers.

He wanted a relegation release clause in his contract, bit ironic seeing he has been relegated with a couple of clubs already
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 07, 2015, 02:58:10 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 07, 2015, 02:48:07 PM
I'm not sure West Ham offered him a permanent deal. Had they done so he would have gone there I reckon.

I look back at the deal for Olsson that fell through in Jan. By all accounts he did arrive in time to sign but something went wrong. Was that down to us I wonder? Did we move the goalposts at the last minute? I really hope we don't faff around this summer when it comes to transfers.

think it was the other way and he or his agents moved the goalposts
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mini gaardsoe on May 07, 2015, 04:42:01 PM
a slightly misleading headline but Pulis wants to be here for the long haul which I think is good news!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9839678
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 07, 2015, 04:59:34 PM
Quote from: mini gaardsoe on May 07, 2015, 04:42:01 PM
a slightly misleading headline but Pulis wants to be here for the long haul which I think is good news!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9839678

Pulis believes a strong relationship with the chairman is crucial: “The most important relationship is between the manager and the chairman. If that is going well, and everyone knows you’re together, then you have more chance of succeeding.”

Good Luck with that one Tony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 07, 2015, 05:09:32 PM
I do actually see Pulis staying 2 plus years to be honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CoachRagnar on May 08, 2015, 02:29:34 AM
"No good deed shall ever go unpunished"

Now in relative safety at 40 points, Tony has once again shown what good coaching, motivation and discipline can achieve. The team is also to be commended for their response to the change in manager and the need for them to learn a new style and new tactics.

As a former coach I can assure you the first thing a manager or coach does is to evaluate the players. When you devise a strategy or tactic the first thing you ask yourself is "Can these lads actually make this work?" I saw this with Pulis at Palace and now at the Albion. The response to this pragmatic approach to football is carping about the style of ball being played. I am astounded by the people who wring their hands and mutter darkly about how they would rather watch Championship football if it were played with style and creativity. Go for it, the tickets will be less expensive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chipperclark on May 08, 2015, 04:02:31 AM
 ;D Happy to give him 5 years. We need stability and someone to hang around and develop a "new" team.

The last manager to stay 5 years was Jimmy Hagan and that was in the 60's (please correct me if I am wrong)? or Alan Ashman?

Just found the information Vic Buckingham 1953 to 1959. That is a long time ago. :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on May 08, 2015, 08:14:33 AM
Things change quickly in football, but at present I feel TP is easily the best man for the job and should (and will) be allowed to shape the squad to how he wants in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 08, 2015, 09:28:48 AM
A cynic could think that interview could sound like TP talking to a new employer, a bit of a "back me or i'm off" speech (threat).

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 08, 2015, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on May 08, 2015, 08:14:33 AM
Things change quickly in football, but at present I feel TP is easily the best man for the job and should (and will) be allowed to shape the squad to how he wants in the summer.

I agree with you, the club is in safe hands.

Complacency is not in a Pulis dictionary,for too long its been a byword for Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on May 08, 2015, 01:39:09 PM
Hope he outstays David Cameron.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 08, 2015, 03:12:50 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on May 08, 2015, 01:39:09 PM
Hope he outstays David Cameron.

Cameron or Pulis, Cameron or Pulis... Jeez who would I rather have for 5 years, what a horrid conundrum
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on May 08, 2015, 06:32:58 PM
I'm going to wait until this time next season to see if I want him for another 4 years.

I'm edging towards 'like f*** I do' at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on May 08, 2015, 09:07:32 PM
Stumbled on this article from a few years back which is still relevant to the WBA/Tony Pulis debate today...


West Brom need to learn Stoke City's tough lessons.

Tony Pulis's side may play ugly at times, but Albion need to realise you do not get points for artistic performance.

Stoke manager Tony Pulis's tough approach is likely to keep them in the Premier League, but West Brom and their manager, Tony Mowbray, look destined for relegation.

The next West Bromwich Albion programme should make interesting reading. It will contain the match report on last Saturday's defeat by Stoke City, when an anaemic West Brom were comprehensively outplayed and pushed ever closer to the Championship. That would be this reporter's summary but the account in the Albion programme is likely to take a slightly different angle, probably after the anonymous writer has swallowed some grapes of the sour variety.

A few people at West Brom, it would be fair to say, are not fans of the way that Stoke play, a point that was made abundantly clear last season in a matchday programme.
"Stoke train with cannons rescued from local medieval ruins," read the report. "Footballs are loaded into them and fired into the distance for [Mamady] Sidibé to head and [Ricardo] Fuller to run after. It's a game plan that squeezes the life out of what used to be known as football."

The theme was reheated after Stoke defeated West Brom at the Britannia Stadium in November. "When you go out at Anfield the players come out of the tunnel beneath a sign that says 'This is Anfield'. Presumably there is one at the Britannia that reads, 'Abandon all football ye who enter here'... If you're under six feet tall you can't get in their dressing room. It's football as played by the terracotta army, a land of the giants where you're as well to stick your boots on your head as on your feet."

There was more, with the next extract best read through rose-tinted spectacles. "Stoke play their way, they are perfectly entitled to do so, just as the rest of us are entitled to an opinion on it. Ours is brave football, heroic football, football that gives people entertainment, ignites dreams and offers value for money, an absolute moral imperative. Albion football is football with principles, a belief system, a style you can be proud of, win, lose or draw."

By now you should be getting the picture. Albion supporters certainly seem to be. However, try telling any of the home fans who witnessed Saturday's listless performance that their side are providing "entertainment" or "igniting dreams". Many fans were drifting out of The Hawthorns long before the final whistle while those that bothered to stay until the end made their thoughts known – the team leaving the field to a chorus of boos.

At the opposite end, Stoke were celebrating raucously. Premier League survival is within Stoke's grasp and for that their manager, Tony Pulis, deserves great credit. Forget Rory Delap's long throw-ins for a moment and ignore the direct approach – yes, it is ugly at times, no matter what some Stoke fans say. Instead focus on the Premier League table and the fact that Stoke have accumulated 35 points so far, 11 more than West Brom and six more than Newcastle, who occupy the final relegation place.

There are, of course, more attractive sides to watch but as the Wolverhampton Wanderers manager, Mick McCarthy, recently pointed out, "You don't get points for artistic performance." What you do get points for is getting results and Pulis has managed to do that this season because, more than anything else, he has made Stoke awkward to play against. They are strong, fit, well-organised and have a method – whatever the rights and wrongs of it – that works.

Albion's doesn't. Only Middlesbrough have scored fewer goals and no one has conceded more. Their expansive style has come up short in the Premier League, where opposition teams are content to allow them possession in the middle third safe in the knowledge they do not have good enough players to break them down. In the nine Albion matches I have watched this season, the ball tends to go sideways far more often than it goes forward. It is frustrating rather than uplifting.

That is not to criticise Tony Mowbray for his footballing principles, even if the argument he presented to me a couple of weeks ago, that performances are more important than results even at this stage of the season, is ridiculous. The manager's biggest problem, however, is that he does not have the tools to realise his vision. In other words, he is trying to play total football in the Premier League with a team that, to put it bluntly, is not up to it.

Defensively, West Brom have been a shambles and up front things have been little better. Those weaknesses were identified before the transfer window closed but Mowbray was not given a penny to spend. Pulis, meanwhile, got his hands on around £5m and used about half of it to sign James Beattie, a proven Premier League goalscorer. Beattie has scored six goals in 10 games, as many as West Brom's leading scorer, Roman Bednar, has managed all season.

Quite what the West Brom chairman, Jeremy Peace, makes of those figures is unclear, though he will probably be much happier running his eyes over another set of numbers, namely the end-of-year accounts. There is nothing wrong with running a football club prudently and there is certainly no chance of Albion committing financial suicide, like a few other former Premier League members. But would making a couple of million available and going for someone like Beattie really have broken the bank?

It's not even a case of being wise after the event. After all, MenCallMePhil posted a message on a Guardian blog at the start of December telling Mowbray who to go after:

MenCallMePhil
09 Dec 08, 11:38am
No decent forward means they'll be relegated. They don't even need a 20-goal-a-season striker ... just a player who looks like he belongs in the premiership, the rest of the team are, man for man, arguably better than Reading in their first season but up front they lag miles behind every other team currently playing. How much would James Beattie cost?

Stoke's decision to speculate to accumulate has been rewarded and the challenge in the immediate future, assuming they stay up this term, is to establish themselves in the Premier League. West Brom have never managed to do that and this campaign is almost certain to culminate in their third relegation in seven seasons. Whatever they are doing it's not working. The same cannot be said for Stoke. Just don't expect to read about their success in the next Albion programme.


Personally, I believe that given time and resources Tony Pulis can get us playing decent, successful (winning) football in the Premier League...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on May 09, 2015, 02:04:10 AM
"Newcastle a big animal when its hungry it growls"😂
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 09, 2015, 07:08:44 AM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on May 08, 2015, 09:07:32 PM
Stumbled on this article from a few years back which is still relevant to the WBA/Tony Pulis debate today...

West Brom need to learn Stoke City's tough lessons

Good find HKP. There's nothing in that article which gives me any reason to hope that Pulis will do anything differently at this club to how he went about things at Stoke. I'm sure most, if not all, of those saying they don't care what our style of play is now he's at Albion used to detest and despise the way Stoke played every we time we played them. I always utterly loathed the way they went about playing the game more than any other club and would be mortified if that's what we become.

As an aside, the article also gives a small insight into the restrictions that Mogga was working with. Any manager having to rely on someone like Roman Bednar as his top scorer was always going to be in trouble, and our failure to make any signings in the transfer window, despite being in dire trouble, speaks volumes. It might also give a clue that Mogga came to decide that there would be a certain futility if he remained with us which made the Celtic job look much more attractive than it might have done otherwise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 09, 2015, 08:51:47 AM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on May 08, 2015, 09:07:32 PM
Stumbled on this article from a few years back which is still relevant to the WBA/Tony Pulis debate today...


West Brom need to learn Stoke City's tough lessons.

Tony Pulis's side may play ugly at times, but Albion need to realise you do not get points for artistic performance.

Stoke manager Tony Pulis's tough approach is likely to keep them in the Premier League, but West Brom and their manager, Tony Mowbray, look destined for relegation.

The next West Bromwich Albion programme should make interesting reading. It will contain the match report on last Saturday's defeat by Stoke City, when an anaemic West Brom were comprehensively outplayed and pushed ever closer to the Championship. That would be this reporter's summary but the account in the Albion programme is likely to take a slightly different angle, probably after the anonymous writer has swallowed some grapes of the sour variety.

A few people at West Brom, it would be fair to say, are not fans of the way that Stoke play, a point that was made abundantly clear last season in a matchday programme.
"Stoke train with cannons rescued from local medieval ruins," read the report. "Footballs are loaded into them and fired into the distance for [Mamady] Sidibé to head and [Ricardo] Fuller to run after. It's a game plan that squeezes the life out of what used to be known as football."

The theme was reheated after Stoke defeated West Brom at the Britannia Stadium in November. "When you go out at Anfield the players come out of the tunnel beneath a sign that says 'This is Anfield'. Presumably there is one at the Britannia that reads, 'Abandon all football ye who enter here'... If you're under six feet tall you can't get in their dressing room. It's football as played by the terracotta army, a land of the giants where you're as well to stick your boots on your head as on your feet."

There was more, with the next extract best read through rose-tinted spectacles. "Stoke play their way, they are perfectly entitled to do so, just as the rest of us are entitled to an opinion on it. Ours is brave football, heroic football, football that gives people entertainment, ignites dreams and offers value for money, an absolute moral imperative. Albion football is football with principles, a belief system, a style you can be proud of, win, lose or draw."

By now you should be getting the picture. Albion supporters certainly seem to be. However, try telling any of the home fans who witnessed Saturday's listless performance that their side are providing "entertainment" or "igniting dreams". Many fans were drifting out of The Hawthorns long before the final whistle while those that bothered to stay until the end made their thoughts known – the team leaving the field to a chorus of boos.

At the opposite end, Stoke were celebrating raucously. Premier League survival is within Stoke's grasp and for that their manager, Tony Pulis, deserves great credit. Forget Rory Delap's long throw-ins for a moment and ignore the direct approach – yes, it is ugly at times, no matter what some Stoke fans say. Instead focus on the Premier League table and the fact that Stoke have accumulated 35 points so far, 11 more than West Brom and six more than Newcastle, who occupy the final relegation place.

There are, of course, more attractive sides to watch but as the Wolverhampton Wanderers manager, Mick McCarthy, recently pointed out, "You don't get points for artistic performance." What you do get points for is getting results and Pulis has managed to do that this season because, more than anything else, he has made Stoke awkward to play against. They are strong, fit, well-organised and have a method – whatever the rights and wrongs of it – that works.

Albion's doesn't. Only Middlesbrough have scored fewer goals and no one has conceded more. Their expansive style has come up short in the Premier League, where opposition teams are content to allow them possession in the middle third safe in the knowledge they do not have good enough players to break them down. In the nine Albion matches I have watched this season, the ball tends to go sideways far more often than it goes forward. It is frustrating rather than uplifting.

That is not to criticise Tony Mowbray for his footballing principles, even if the argument he presented to me a couple of weeks ago, that performances are more important than results even at this stage of the season, is ridiculous. The manager's biggest problem, however, is that he does not have the tools to realise his vision. In other words, he is trying to play total football in the Premier League with a team that, to put it bluntly, is not up to it.

Defensively, West Brom have been a shambles and up front things have been little better. Those weaknesses were identified before the transfer window closed but Mowbray was not given a penny to spend. Pulis, meanwhile, got his hands on around £5m and used about half of it to sign James Beattie, a proven Premier League goalscorer. Beattie has scored six goals in 10 games, as many as West Brom's leading scorer, Roman Bednar, has managed all season.

Quite what the West Brom chairman, Jeremy Peace, makes of those figures is unclear, though he will probably be much happier running his eyes over another set of numbers, namely the end-of-year accounts. There is nothing wrong with running a football club prudently and there is certainly no chance of Albion committing financial suicide, like a few other former Premier League members. But would making a couple of million available and going for someone like Beattie really have broken the bank?

It's not even a case of being wise after the event. After all, MenCallMePhil posted a message on a Guardian blog at the start of December telling Mowbray who to go after:

MenCallMePhil
09 Dec 08, 11:38am
No decent forward means they'll be relegated. They don't even need a 20-goal-a-season striker ... just a player who looks like he belongs in the premiership, the rest of the team are, man for man, arguably better than Reading in their first season but up front they lag miles behind every other team currently playing. How much would James Beattie cost?

Stoke's decision to speculate to accumulate has been rewarded and the challenge in the immediate future, assuming they stay up this term, is to establish themselves in the Premier League. West Brom have never managed to do that and this campaign is almost certain to culminate in their third relegation in seven seasons. Whatever they are doing it's not working. The same cannot be said for Stoke. Just don't expect to read about their success in the next Albion programme.


Personally, I believe that given time and resources Tony Pulis can get us playing decent, successful (winning) football in the Premier League...


Very pertinent. Amazingly arrogant comments from Albion about Stoke at the time to be fair. Mowbray didn't get the resources he needed but then again he would've probably needed 30m to turn us into Barcelona ( plus he wasted 5m on Valero instead of a striker) and that's where his ideals lay. He's now managing in league one for a reason to be honest whereas Pulis realised what he had to do and has remained and developed as a premier league manager. I loved Mowbrays approach and the championship season but I now realise football clubs are built on results not theories. Fun while it lasted but it was unsustainable.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 09, 2015, 09:42:36 AM
The presence of Rory Delap's long throw was a major, heavily used weapon of that Stoke side. I think it took them from an acceptable level of directness to an ugly one dimensional side.
Pulis isn't thick. I think he was a bit stung by the growing level of criticism of the style at Stoke and I don't think he'd go down that road to the same extreme as at Stoke....that's my hope anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 09, 2015, 11:40:27 AM
"Ours is brave football, heroic football, football that gives people entertainment, ignites dreams and offers value for money, an absolute moral imperative. Albion football is football with principles, a belief system, a style you can be proud of, win, lose or draw."

 :D

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 09, 2015, 05:04:20 PM
Congratulations to TP on acheiving his objective!
It may not have been pretty but we are mathematically safe!
Couldnt care less now about what happens in the last 2 games! At least my fingernails wont be taking a bashing!
The rebuilding job starts now!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on May 09, 2015, 05:04:31 PM
Job done. Well done Tony Pulis - that win against Palace looks absolutely huge now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on May 09, 2015, 05:05:40 PM
Quote from: CL3MO on May 09, 2015, 05:04:31 PM
Job done. Well done Tony Pulis - that win against Palace looks absolutely huge now.

And Man Utd!!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 09, 2015, 05:10:24 PM
 ;D well done TP got the best out of a squad that looked doomed, have to say getting Fletch in from Man Utd was a master stroke. big big summer instore down the hawthornes :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on May 09, 2015, 05:10:53 PM
Honeymoon period now over
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on May 09, 2015, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on May 09, 2015, 05:04:20 PM
Congratulations to TP on acheiving his objective!
It may not have been pretty but we are mathematically safe!
Couldnt care less now about what happens in the last 2 games! At least my fingernails wont be taking a bashing!
The rebuilding job starts now!

But it would be nice to finish above Villa!!

Is someone does buy the club, the first thing they should do is give him that 5 year contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2015, 05:20:31 PM
There's really no need to give a manager a 5 year contract, season to season is  fine. No ones going to poach Pulis, and the likelihood of anyone staying as manager for 5 years in the premier league is very low nowadays.

He's earned his shot at next season, lets hope he can be more adventurous in the transfer market and in his starting 11's now he's not got the threat of relegation staring him in the face.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on May 09, 2015, 05:23:18 PM
Let's hope he finishes above sherwood
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 09, 2015, 05:23:36 PM
how much is each place worth this season? £500,000.00 or is it more? Could have gone above Palace with a win today must not give up our current position need all the money we can get for JP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 09, 2015, 07:14:31 PM
Quote from: paulosull on May 09, 2015, 05:23:36 PM
how much is each place worth this season? £500,000.00 or is it more? Could have gone above Palace with a win today must not give up our current position need all the money we can get for JP.
It's £1.2m per place according to the site I found.
We would get £55m (which all sides get) + £9.6m if we finish in current position 13th + £7.5m 'facility fee' assume that's games shown live but not sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on May 10, 2015, 09:28:38 AM
Quote from: Adder on May 09, 2015, 07:14:31 PM
It's £1.2m per place according to the site I found.
We would get £55m (which all sides get) + £9.6m if we finish in current position 13th + £7.5m 'facility fee' assume that's games shown live but not sure.
and people talking bout they would rather be in the championship and give up all that cash as i said the people that say that would never say that if they owned the club period
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 10, 2015, 10:35:24 AM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on May 10, 2015, 09:28:38 AM
and people talking bout they would rather be in the championship and give up all that cash as i said the people that say that would never say that if they owned the club period

The cash is almost entirely spent treading water and what now seems to be an increasingly negative brand of football. To break that cycle to move to something different maybe relegation is part of the process dropping to a level where we have an advantage rather than struggling to compete at a level where we at a disadvantage.

That is not to say that I want relegation but with talk of 5 years of Pulisball I am not entirely sure that survival at any cost is all that appealing either. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on May 10, 2015, 10:44:29 AM
A job well done. Plus sides for me signing fletcher,turning brunt and Dawson into reasonable full backs. Negatives are still a lack of pace and creativity throughout the team and playing square pegs but he didn't have long to rectify this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 10, 2015, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 09, 2015, 11:40:27 AM
"Ours is brave football, heroic football, football that gives people entertainment, ignites dreams and offers value for money, an absolute moral imperative. Albion football is football with principles, a belief system, a style you can be proud of, win, lose or draw."

 :D

I threw up reading that

Didn't Chris Lepkowski write that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on May 10, 2015, 04:57:14 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on May 10, 2015, 02:48:23 PM
I threw up reading that

Didn't Chris Lepkowski write that?
no, I think its either a stoke fan taking the mickey,or some one who hast seen us play since ron Atkinson was in charge
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 10, 2015, 07:54:24 PM
Job well done to Pulis for getting the points to keep us in the Premier League for another season. Irvine also contributed to our points total and deserves credit too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 10, 2015, 07:57:53 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 10, 2015, 07:54:24 PM
Job well done to Pulis for getting the points to keep us in the Premier League for another season. Irvine also contributed to our points total and deserves credit too.

Irvine doesn't deserve any credit for anything.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 10, 2015, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on May 10, 2015, 04:57:14 PM
no, I think its either a stoke fan taking the mickey,or some one who hast seen us play since ron Atkinson was in charge

He wrote a number of articles which were very derogatory of that Stoke side.

Quite convenient how he ends up working under Pulis..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 10, 2015, 08:13:47 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 10, 2015, 07:54:24 PM
Job well done to Pulis for getting the points to keep us in the Premier League for another season. Irvine also contributed to our points total and deserves credit too.
credit to the board for getting rid, without that decision we wouldn't be playing premier league football next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 10, 2015, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on May 10, 2015, 08:07:46 PM
He wrote a number of articles which were very derogatory of that Stoke side.

Quite convenient how he ends up working under Pulis..

For all the media jobs he's had Lepkowski can ome across as unprofessional at times. Congratulations to Tony Pulis an interesting summer ahead
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on May 10, 2015, 08:25:20 PM
Tony Pulis has kept us up following 2 years of mismanagement at the top of this club
He inherited a midfield that can't pas the ball to each other and not one forward worth the title of striker
This is a massive summer for us and we certainly need to stop messing around like we normally do
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 10, 2015, 08:29:10 PM
Quote from: tylerm on May 10, 2015, 08:25:20 PM
Tony Pulis has kept us up following 2 years of mismanagement at the top of this club
He inherited a midfield that can't pas the ball to each other and not one forward worth the title of striker
This is a massive summer for us and we certainly need to stop messing around like we normally do
If we do it will end like palace. In a way I hope the sale goes ahead next year so Pulis can get on with it this window
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 10, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 10, 2015, 08:29:10 PM
If we do it will end like palace. In a way I hope the sale goes ahead next year so Pulis can get on with it this window
End up with a much more entertaining and successful manager?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 10, 2015, 08:43:18 PM
Be interesting to see what our recruitment department will unearth this close season.
TP has to be given a chance next season to see what he can do given a blank canvass.
He's never finished in the top half of the Prem so he has it all to prove next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on May 10, 2015, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 10, 2015, 08:29:10 PM
If we do it will end like palace. In a way I hope the sale goes ahead next year so Pulis can get on with it this window

Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on May 10, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
End up with a much more entertaining and successful manager?

Bit of a strange comment there Hunnington Baggie. I don't know if it's me but personally I can't think of anything remotely entertaining and successful about Neil Warnock and Alan Pardew!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 10, 2015, 08:53:01 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on May 10, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
End up with a much more entertaining and successful manager?
Like whom? Can you enlighten us please?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on May 10, 2015, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on May 10, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
End up with a much more entertaining and successful manager?

I think longbridge Baggie means that Pulis will walk out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 11, 2015, 07:21:07 AM
He's done great Albion fans expecting a top half finish need to get out the coffee on this Monday morning the fans thinking he will keep us up for 2 plus years are probably bang on a fantastic results based manager for our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 11, 2015, 07:58:42 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on May 10, 2015, 08:43:18 PM
Be interesting to see what our recruitment department will unearth this close season.
TP has to be given a chance next season to see what he can do given a blank canvass.
He's never finished in the top half of the Prem so he has it all to prove next season.
TP intimated in his Newcastle after match interview that he was flying out at the w/e to watch a game - hopefully that means things may be a bit more 'hands on' this close season!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 11, 2015, 08:44:05 AM
Considering how I felt on the 1st Jan and at the end of the Jan transfer window when I was seriously worried after failing to sign strikers/ wingers, I'm amazed we've already achieved 41 points with two (very difficult) games to go. Anything above 37 points  was always going to be a  great achievement.  At the beginning of the season, I was confused and very underwhelmed at the appointment of Irvine. To be fair, I think Irvine showed flashes of why the club appointed him but based on what I saw over the half of the season I didn't see anything more than relegation on the cards as we just weren't getting enough results and the fans had seriously turned against him. I don't think Irvine would've got us much above 34 points if at all which looks like relegation this year - his half of season points tally supported this.

I'm confident about our chances next season for the first time in a few years with TP in charge. There will be debate about how he achieves results but there aren't many managers/ coaches out there who would be a better fit for us now considering our main aim is to rebuild a solid first team foundation under new ownership. This job calls for reliability, a steady hand and experience. I can't think of anyone better for this job at the moment.

Well done TP, stage one done. Stage two will be much tougher though and you will have no excuses after bringing in your own players. COYB


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 11, 2015, 04:40:48 PM
Folks, this topic is Tony Pulis, please keep any discussion on players from relegated clubs to the Transfer Forum
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on May 11, 2015, 10:22:31 PM
we all watched uncle Roy for two years and the only difference in the style of play in that time was a chap called Odemwingie with a bit of pace.
Well done Tony Pulis, you have performed a minor miracle keeping this lot up and i for one can't thank you enough.
I have just watched Swansea do a Pulis job on Arsenal, must be catching, i wonder if their fans are moaning about how they played?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 12, 2015, 11:11:02 AM
Quote from: Gilsey 56 on May 11, 2015, 10:22:31 PM
we all watched uncle Roy for two years and the only difference in the style of play in that time was a chap called Odemwingie with a bit of pace.
Well done Tony Pulis, you have performed a minor miracle keeping this lot up and i for one can't thank you enough.
I have just watched Swansea do a Pulis job on Arsenal, must be catching, i wonder if their fans are moaning about how they played?

The main difference between Hodgson and Pulis were the supporters not disliking Roy before he took over. Whereas they have spent many years calling Pulis names as his physical sides came to the Hawthorns and walked away with 3 points.

As Liam says on the previous page, there was a lot written in the local media about the Albion style being the right way and the Pulis style being the horrible way. Some supporters have spent many seasons saying "I couldn't watch that sh*t every week" and that opinion seems to have stuck with them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 12, 2015, 11:19:54 AM
you need a balance I think I'm hoping Pulis can find that next season with a little bit of added ambition again I'm very grateful for what he's done this season he has achieved what he was asked to do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 12, 2015, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 12, 2015, 11:11:02 AM
The main difference between Hodgson and Pulis were the supporters not disliking Roy before he took over. Whereas they have spent many years calling Pulis names as his physical sides came to the Hawthorns and walked away with 3 points.

As Liam says on the previous page, there was a lot written in the local media about the Albion style being the right way and the Pulis style being the horrible way. Some supporters have spent many seasons saying "I couldn't watch that sh*t every week" and that opinion seems to have stuck with them.
Would you swap him for Hughes then ?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 12, 2015, 11:25:17 AM
Hughes is the most boring person to listen to, i dont think is brand is all that either. Pulis all day long for me
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 12, 2015, 11:35:24 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 12, 2015, 11:25:17 AM
Hughes is the most boring person to listen to, i dont think is brand is all that either. Pulis all day long for me
Glad the majority of our fans have took to pulis enjoy it I say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 12, 2015, 11:35:47 AM
Hughes joined a stable Stoke team who only needed a bit of a tweak. Pulis has arrived here with a poor squad while we were in bad form and kept us up, did the same at a Palace team who looked down and out. Hughes went to a QPR team and signed a load of overpaid, uninterested players and ended up getting sacked before joining Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 12, 2015, 11:40:53 AM
Spot on Legend. A lot is made of coaches these days but surely their success depends on infrastructure and most of all players. Hughes signed a bunch of rubbish for a fortune at QPR. He has clearly benefitted from taking over a very stable squad/ club which was well run for a number of years. Like I said before, the job at the Albion, the season after Roy left should've been the easiest one ever and so it proved. We had a great squad with (a few) premier league recognised forwards in Long, Odemwingie and Lukaku as well as a solid backbone built on a (yes) defensive minded manager in Roy.

Hopefully Pulis leaves us with a similar legacy to the one he left Hughes at Stoke......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on May 12, 2015, 06:15:51 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on May 12, 2015, 11:35:24 AM
Glad the majority of our fans have took to pulis enjoy it I say.
I appreciate what he has done but no way have I took to him,the football is non existent the passing is a disgrace the negativity in our game is already talked about through out football,i would be quite happy if he left now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 12, 2015, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on May 12, 2015, 06:15:51 PM
I appreciate what he has done but no way have I took to him,the football is non existent the passing is a disgrace the negativity in our game is already talked about through out football,i would be quite happy if he left now

Be careful what you wish for. We as a club were going downhill due to having one of the poorest squads in the league. Pulis has somehow got us to 13th in the league and will have a chance to overhaul the squad which has been needed for a few years instead of buying cheap untested foreigners or players without the right attitude. A lot of people are talking about Chelsea being negative but they've just won the league under the best manager in the world. Mourinho is a winner and doesn't put style of play or possession stats before winning, Pulis is the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on May 12, 2015, 06:38:44 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 12, 2015, 11:11:02 AM
The main difference between Hodgson and Pulis were the supporters not disliking Roy before he took over. Whereas they have spent many years calling Pulis names as his physical sides came to the Hawthorns and walked away with 3 points.

As Liam says on the previous page, there was a lot written in the local media about the Albion style being the right way and the Pulis style being the horrible way. Some supporters have spent many seasons saying "I couldn't watch that sh*t every week" and that opinion seems to have stuck with them.

On the money with that. People here loved Tony Mowbray, they even wore masks and chanted his name before he took us down and then buggered off to Celtic.
Mowbray said that performance was more important than results.
Keep taking the tablets Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 12, 2015, 06:51:09 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 12, 2015, 06:19:47 PM
Be careful what you wish for. We as a club were going downhill due to having one of the poorest squads in the league. Pulis has somehow got us to 13th in the league and will have a chance to overhaul the squad which has been needed for a few years instead of buying cheap untested foreigners or players without the right attitude. A lot of people are talking about Chelsea being negative but they've just won the league under the best manager in the world. Mourinho is a winner and doesn't put style of play or possession stats before winning, Pulis is the same.
Is that a serious post ? I would happily have a 100 pound bet with you that TP will not win anything while here I have seen enough to suggest we won't go for the throat when it matters, Mourinho wins games TP draws games by defending for 90 minutes regardless of opposition bar the odd result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on May 12, 2015, 06:56:25 PM
I could have sworn we won at Palace and OT.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 12, 2015, 06:58:06 PM
Quote from: divinewind on May 12, 2015, 06:56:25 PM
I could have sworn we won at Palace and OT.
You sworn right read it through I said bar the odd result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 12, 2015, 07:35:42 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on May 12, 2015, 06:51:09 PM
Is that a serious post ? I would happily have a 100 pound bet with you that TP will not win anything while here I have seen enough to suggest we won't go for the throat when it matters, Mourinho wins games TP draws games by defending for 90 minutes regardless of opposition bar the odd result.

Isn't that what Mourinho does at times? He has the benefit of having world class players to make the difference. With the luck of the draw there's no reason why we can't go all the way in a cup competition, he nearly did it with Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 12, 2015, 07:41:07 PM
Quote from: divinewind on May 12, 2015, 06:38:44 PM
On the money with that. People here loved Tony Mowbray, they even wore masks and chanted his name before he took us down and then buggered off to Celtic.
Mowbray said that performance was more important than results.
Keep taking the tablets Tone.

And now he's managing in League 1.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 12, 2015, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 12, 2015, 07:35:42 PM
Isn't that what Mourinho does at times? He has the benefit of having world class players to make the difference. With the luck of the draw there's no reason why we can't go all the way in a cup competition, he nearly did it with Stoke.
The bet stands and I would be happy to be proven wrong in fact I would never hand over cash with such a smile on my face maybe besides a drunken escapade in Spain but that's another story.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 12, 2015, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 12, 2015, 07:35:42 PM
Isn't that what Mourinho does at times? He has the benefit of having world class players to make the difference. With the luck of the draw there's no reason why we can't go all the way in a cup competition, he nearly did it with Stoke.
TM took a Championship side to the semi final only to be cheated out of a trip to the final  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 12, 2015, 09:16:19 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 12, 2015, 09:03:28 PM
TM took a Championship side to the semi final only to be cheated out of a trip to the final  ;)
so did di matteo but we surrendered to Ipswich.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on May 12, 2015, 09:48:33 PM
we could get TM back if you want to watch championship football, he hadn't got a clue in the prem.
Lets give the bloke a chance to build a side over the next few years and do not be mistaken on how bad this squad was/is.
we had Odenwingie then Lukaku.
where would Villa be without Benteke.
We had the 10 million pound man and sicknot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 13, 2015, 06:50:44 AM
Quote from: Gilsey 56 on May 12, 2015, 09:48:33 PM
we could get TM back if you want to watch championship football, he hadn't got a clue in the prem.
Lets give the bloke a chance to build a side over the next few years and do not be mistaken on how bad this squad was/is.
we had Odenwingie then Lukaku.
where would Villa be without Benteke.
We had the 10 million pound man and sicknot.
Hadn't a clue or the resources available?

TP or any coach should have an extra amount of expectation placed upon them compared to earlier coaches as we are in a different place financially. The ability to play certain styles of football depends on the calibre of player that you can afford to recruit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on May 13, 2015, 07:33:00 AM
Quote from: Legend on May 12, 2015, 06:19:47 PM
Be careful what you wish for. We as a club were going downhill due to having one of the poorest squads in the league. Pulis has somehow got us to 13th in the league and will have a chance to overhaul the squad which has been needed for a few years instead of buying cheap untested foreigners or players without the right attitude. A lot of people are talking about Chelsea being negative but they've just won the league under the best manager in the world. Mourinho is a winner and doesn't put style of play or possession stats before winning, Pulis is the same.
spot on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on May 13, 2015, 09:01:57 AM
I seriously cannot believe people are comparing Pulis to Mowbray. Yes the football was good to watch in the Championship under Mowbray, but he completely failed in the Prem! The football was poor too - passing in triangles on the halfway line without ever looking threatning...all to finish bottom!!! He also spent quite a bit of money that season on the likes of Valero (who he had no idea how to use), Meite, Zuiverloon, plus the signings of the likes of Donk, Kim Do Hoen etc. He then gave a speech about loyalty and owing the club, only to clear off to Celtic a week later!!!

Mowbray has also since failed at Middlesbrough!

I appreciate some want to see attractive football, but come on, we are looking back at Mowbray's time here through tinted glasses. Some of his comments made Irvine's "We handled Charlie Austin well" look genius!!!

Pulis has taken a team heading down, and turned us round in the matter of a few months! He hasnt been given a chance to sign his own players yet and mould a team how he wants it, yet some are already wanting him out! His job was to keep us up...and he has done this! If he signs a bunch of cloggers, then I will understand people getting frustrated, but how about give him a chance first before making comments like "I'd happily see him leave now"!?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 13, 2015, 10:08:37 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 13, 2015, 06:50:44 AM
Hadn't a clue or the resources available?

TP or any coach should have an extra amount of expectation placed upon them compared to earlier coaches as we are in a different place financially. The ability to play certain styles of football depends on the calibre of player that you can afford to recruit.

Most people would say the first one. Mowbray spent money during the close season just like Pulis did.

Mowbray brought in Scott Carson for over £3million while Pulis went for Tommy Sorenson on a free.
Mowbray attracted Borja Valero for just under £5million while Pulis took the risk on Dave Kitson for a combined £5.5million. (He didn't play or score enough to reach that full price).

Pulis didn't care if he won 1-0 from a Rory Delap long throw. Whereas Mowbray wanted to play well regardless of the final score. In a results driven league, the Pulis way won.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 13, 2015, 10:13:06 AM
I think some are misunderstanding the point that a couple are trying to make we don't think Mowbray is a better manager or any of the last 3 we have had to be honest hence why we could only beat you with pulis tactics in a 1-0 win great result and puts the embarrassing record to bed the problem some fans have is with the playing style for certain games and how at times we lack the killer instinct, Next season it could all change. Sorry I forgot about Roy's result up there  :o don't know how was great day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on May 13, 2015, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on May 13, 2015, 10:13:06 AM
I think some are misunderstanding the point that a couple are trying to make we don't think Mowbray is a better manager or any of the last 3 we have had to be honest hence why we could only beat you with pulis tactics in a 1-0 win great result and puts the embarrassing record to bed the problem some fans have is with the playing style for certain games and how at times we lack the killer instinct, Next season it could all change. Sorry I forgot about Roy's result up there  :o don't know how was great day.

Exactly...surely we should at least give him a chance???

The point I was making about Mowbray was people talk about a great playing style under him, when in fact it was weak and ineffective when in the Prem! Turning up knowing you are going to be bullied out of games, by the good teams at the top and the battlers down the bottom!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 13, 2015, 01:07:40 PM
I have to agree that 'lower' teams which play decent football and with a degree of success e.g. Southampton, Swansea and Stoke recently have all been built over a long period of time and have spent big big money on forwards.

With Albion we currently have a developing forward (Berahino) and two others who aren't up to scratch. Added to that we severely lack pace, we were ripe for being in relegation trouble ,however Pulis managed somehow to succeed in comfortably keeping us up!

Mowbray had a couple of years to build a team in his vision and spent  around 15m on transfer fees (yes wages were low in his defence) but it's not as though he didn't have a chance to build a successful team. In fact, the club/ fans would've allowed him to continue his long term job in the Championship had he not jumped for Celtic which is where he was exposed, along with Middlesborough I'm afraid as being a visionary manager but with a lack of ability to deliver the vision.

I've really warmed to Pulis as a person the past few months from frankly not being that keen on him previously. He's a proper man, leader and someone I wouldn't mind working for as he's straight as can be.

It's not all about vision and clever tactics written in leather bound notebooks. Football is as much about having a coach to organize, inspire and get an extra % out of players. Pulis has done this so far so I take my (Pulis) cap off to him.

I really hope we sign some top forwards and players with pace because I think we could be in for a successful time if he does! COYB

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 13, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
Would agree with that Swansea made the right decisions as did Southampton we just plummeted after Clarke bit before actually and made some horrific decisions we now have a manager who will stabilize us but not to the effect of the team's above.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 13, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 13, 2015, 10:08:37 AM
Most people would say the first one. Mowbray spent money during the close season just like Pulis did.

Mowbray brought in Scott Carson for over £3million while Pulis went for Tommy Sorenson on a free.
Mowbray attracted Borja Valero for just under £5million while Pulis took the risk on Dave Kitson for a combined £5.5million. (He didn't play or score enough to reach that full price).

Pulis didn't care if he won 1-0 from a Rory Delap long throw. Whereas Mowbray wanted to play well regardless of the final score. In a results driven league, the Pulis way won.

I could be wrong but wasn't Carson going to Stoke originally until we went for him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 13, 2015, 03:38:01 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 13, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
I could be wrong but wasn't Carson going to Stoke originally until we went for him

I'm sure he chose to come here instead of Stoke, unfortunately for us. Terrible keeper.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on May 15, 2015, 05:32:09 AM
After last seasons fiasco, where we were rescued by the late meltdown by Norwich, the ditching of Mel,the idiotic appointment of Alan Irvine and the dubious summer signings.... all signs  pointed to a premiership exit.

With the clear-out of backroom staff and the addition of a real leader in the shape of Tony Pulis we have pulled off a great final league position. We should be grateful for this TBH, we really pushed our luck last season and thank goodness Tony Pulis was available, he was precisely the right man at the right time.

Our current squad is old and slow and TP has gotten  the best out of them i feel. All credit to him for that.

Lets hope we can now build on this and get some creditable recruits over the summer and add some pace and width and stripes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 15, 2015, 05:41:14 AM
Quote from: robnewbold on May 15, 2015, 05:32:09 AM
After last seasons fiasco, where we were rescued by the late meltdown by Norwich, the ditching of Mel,the idiotic appointment of Alan Irvine and the dubious summer signings.... all signs  pointed to a premiership exit.

With the clear-out of backroom staff and the addition of a real leader in the shape of Tony Pulis we have pulled off a great final league position. We should be grateful for this TBH, we really pushed our luck last season and thank goodness Tony Pulis was available, he was precisely the right man at the right time.

Our current squad is old and slow and TP has gotten  the best out of them i feel. All credit to him for that.

Lets hope we can now build on this and get some creditable recruits over the summer and add some pace and width and stripes.
Amen to that !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 15, 2015, 06:47:05 AM
Quote from: robnewbold on May 15, 2015, 05:32:09 AM
After last seasons fiasco, where we were rescued by the late meltdown by Norwich, the ditching of Mel,the idiotic appointment of Alan Irvine and the dubious summer signings.... all signs  pointed to a premiership exit.

With the clear-out of backroom staff and the addition of a real leader in the shape of Tony Pulis we have pulled off a great final league position. We should be grateful for this TBH, we really pushed our luck last season and thank goodness Tony Pulis was available, he was precisely the right man at the right time.

Our current squad is old and slow and TP has gotten  the best out of them i feel. All credit to him for that.

Lets hope we can now build on this and get some creditable recruits over the summer and add some pace and width and stripes.

I agree.
Whilst it hasn't been pretty in the main, he's achieved the remit he was given.
When we played Pulis's Stoke teams I always came away thinking 'how can they pay to watch that every week'.
Towards the end of this campaign I've been thinking, 'I don't think I can watch this every week'
That said, he was limited to what he could achieve given the squad he had.
In the window he bought in two players, McManaman who has unfortunately been injured and Fletcher who has been decent without being spectacular. Now the real work starts, can TP attract pace, width and creativity in this window? Time will tell.
More importantly will JP back his man?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 15, 2015, 04:03:02 PM
Take away the games where we didn't try to do anything but defend and it leaves us on 36 points and in the stum I'm thinking Everton and United away and Liverpool at home, Pulis draws such interesting debate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on May 15, 2015, 06:02:42 PM
Irvine was a particularly bad appointment any decent manager would have kept us up,for all those that keep posting that don't worry we are going to play with width and pace next season il believe it when I see it after the none use of Valera,sess,bianco,poco and limited use of mac,we might buy some more 6ft centre halves though,il give it until Christmas if pulis hasn't improved on the footballing tosh that I have seen the last few months I wont be going
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 15, 2015, 06:10:57 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on May 15, 2015, 06:02:42 PM
Irvine was a particularly bad appointment any decent manager would have kept us up,for all those that keep posting that don't worry we are going to play with width and pace next season il believe it when I see it after the none use of Valera,sess,bianco,poco and limited use of mac,we might buy some more 6ft centre halves though,il give it until Christmas if pulis hasn't improved on the footballing tosh that I have seen the last few months I wont be going
Mac was bought with injuries we need to avoid this in the summer buy players that are fit and ready to start come August luckily we are in a position it doesn't matter, very bold statement that saying any manager could of kept us up what I will say is I think a lot of managers would of gone for sess and got the best out of berahino but pulis sured us up defensively like you said now we need to buy to expand our attacking play, pulis deserves credit for keeping us up if not inspiring he met he's target.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on May 15, 2015, 07:29:27 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on May 15, 2015, 06:02:42 PM
Irvine was a particularly bad appointment any decent manager would have kept us up,for all those that keep posting that don't worry we are going to play with width and pace next season il believe it when I see it after the none use of Valera,sess,bianco,poco and limited use of mac,we might buy some more 6ft centre halves though,il give it until Christmas if pulis hasn't improved on the footballing tosh that I have seen the last few months I wont be going

Nobody should not worry about facing relegation next season, but rest assured we will be competitive in this league under Tony Pulls.

Anything between 10th-14th place without relegation danger is success for WBA in today's money laden English football - that is the reality - and that will do for me whilst there is a hole in my bottom  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 16, 2015, 08:29:04 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on May 15, 2015, 04:03:02 PM
Take away the games where we didn't try to do anything but defend and it leaves us on 36 points and in the stum I'm thinking Everton and United away and Liverpool at home, Pulis draws such interesting debate.

But we did do something we got 5 points. That makes no sense, we have 41 points. If Irvine had won more points he would still be the manager.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 16, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on May 16, 2015, 08:29:04 PM
But we did do something we got 5 points. That makes no sense, we have 41 points. If Irvine had won more points he would still be the manager.....
yeah sorry I didn't make it clear I meant it as a good thing in the way it's seen us safe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 16, 2015, 08:37:37 PM
I wonder how long it will take the doubters to realise that we have, outside the best British manager going. Pulis may not always set his side out to play attractive football but the only manager in the Prem that I can really compare him too as far as how effective he is tactically, and his ability to structure a team is José Mourinho. His record speaks for itself and we are lucky to have him here. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 16, 2015, 09:11:47 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on May 16, 2015, 08:37:37 PM
I wonder how long it will take the doubters to realise that we have, outside the best British manager going. Pulis may not always set his side out to play attractive football but the only manager in the Prem that I can really compare him too as far as how effective he is tactically, and his ability to structure a team is José Mourinho. His record speaks for itself and we are lucky to have him here.

Never finished in the top half of the table though has he, what a manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 16, 2015, 09:15:01 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on May 16, 2015, 08:37:37 PM
I wonder how long it will take the doubters to realise that we have, outside the best British manager going. Pulis may not always set his side out to play attractive football but the only manager in the Prem that I can really compare him too as far as how effective he is tactically, and his ability to structure a team is José Mourinho. His record speaks for itself and we are lucky to have him here. 
Interesting view  you rate him very highly can I ask if your a season ticket holder ?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 16, 2015, 09:23:03 PM
Can you two "experts" Suggest better?.......................
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 16, 2015, 09:29:53 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 16, 2015, 09:23:03 PM
Can you two "experts" Suggest better?.......................

'experts' not sure why the patronsing tone.. just having a discussion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on May 16, 2015, 09:51:46 PM
I can't believe we are having this conversation . What position were we when he took over . What position are we now . End of really . He has organised a poorish squad , and we have survived . 2 very important questions . Would we have stayed up under Irvine , not a chance . Could we have done it playing great football with this squad . Not a chance .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 16, 2015, 10:02:18 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 16, 2015, 09:23:03 PM
Can you two "experts" Suggest better?.......................
Read through my posts on pious you will find I give him as much applause as criticism he has he's good and bad points for me agree with the above I don't see why you have to be smart probably because your looking for a bite.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 16, 2015, 10:39:15 PM
Quote from: charliemike on May 16, 2015, 09:51:46 PM
I can't believe we are having this conversation . What position were we when he took over . What position are we now . End of really . He has organised a poorish squad , and we have survived . 2 very important questions . Would we have stayed up under Irvine , not a chance . Could we have done it playing great football with this squad . Not a chance .
16th and 13th. He has created an unbalanced squad but he is very good at what he does which is stopping teams from winning matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 16, 2015, 11:13:24 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on May 16, 2015, 09:11:47 PM
Never finished in the top half of the table though has he, what a manager.

In 4 of his 7 Premier League seasons, he's been 1 result away from that elusive top 10 spot out of a 38 game season. It's not like he luckily finishes 16th and 17th like you suggested the other week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on May 16, 2015, 11:39:13 PM
Some folks will never be happy . My question remains is there some one better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 17, 2015, 12:18:32 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on May 16, 2015, 09:29:53 PM
'experts' not sure why the patronsing tone.. just having a discussion.
He may have been patronising, but he has a point. Realistically who else is there?
We tried 'young coach' with Clarke, it failed and he wasn't good enough, then we tried the foreign route with Mel, who also played attractive footbal, it failed. Then there was Irvine who was meant to be quite sensible and structured, which again failed.

Realistically the only way we can get in a good manager is by luck with our money, Tony Pulis is our best option for now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on May 17, 2015, 12:31:46 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on May 16, 2015, 08:37:37 PM
I wonder how long it will take the doubters to realise that we have, outside the best British manager going. Pulis may not always set his side out to play attractive football but the only manager in the Prem that I can really compare him too as far as how effective he is tactically, and his ability to structure a team is José Mourinho. His record speaks for itself and we are lucky to have him here.
the tactical genius that went to villa park in a one off cup game and played four centre halves across the back
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 17, 2015, 12:42:42 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 16, 2015, 11:13:24 PM
In 4 of his 7 Premier League seasons, he's been 1 result away from that elusive top 10 spot out of a 38 game season.

As I said, never finished in the top half of the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on May 17, 2015, 12:51:48 AM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 16, 2015, 09:23:03 PM
Can you two "experts" Suggest better?.......................
eddie howe,michael laudrup,martin jol,steve McLaren,aitor karanka,slavisa jokanovic,nigel pearson,sean dyche and ive only thought for 10 minutes
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 17, 2015, 01:38:34 AM
I hate watching Pulisball with a passion but he has kept us in the division for another year. Are there better managers at doing what he does? No probably not. If we are purely concerned with grinding out the results to maintain Premier League status then he is almost certainly the man for the job.

If we aspire to anything other than that the list of better managers is a fairly lengthy one and I would only rule out the pound shop Pulis's like Mick McCarthy Sam Alladyce and Paul Lambert. Stoke City fans think a Mark Hughes team is like watching Brazil. I suspect that is probably a result of extended exposure to Pulisball and in 5 years time I suspect I will be in the same boat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 17, 2015, 06:58:46 AM
Quote from: Standaman on May 17, 2015, 01:38:34 AM
I hate watching Pulisball with a passion but he has kept us in the division for another year. Are there better managers at doing what he does? No probably not. If we are purely concerned with grinding out the results to maintain Premier League status then he is almost certainly the man for the job.

If we aspire to anything other than that the list of better managers is a fairly lengthy one and I would only rule out the pound shop Pulis's like Mick McCarthy Sam Alladyce and Paul Lambert. Stoke City fans think a Mark Hughes team is like watching Brazil. I suspect that is probably a result of extended exposure to Pulisball and in 5 years time I suspect I will be in the same boat.

Thats my thoughts on it he really does deserve next season and again I think we will stay up 14/15th place, I have never said Pulis is not a good manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 17, 2015, 08:19:44 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on May 17, 2015, 12:18:32 AM
He may have been patronising, but he has a point. Realistically who else is there?
We tried 'young coach' with Clarke, it failed and he wasn't good enough, then we tried the foreign route with Mel, who also played attractive footbal, it failed. Then there was Irvine who was meant to be quite sensible and structured, which again failed.

Realistically the only way we can get in a good manager is by luck with our money, Tony Pulis is our best option for now.
Think its a tad unfair to say mel failed, he wasn't here long enough to see what he could achieve with his own players bought in plus he did keep us up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on May 17, 2015, 08:31:59 AM
I think its great we've got him, time and place availability, like Hodgson, but I do have one point.  Can anyone remember Stoke going on a really good run of wins? As I recall there were often surprisingly bad performances among the regular 1-0s at home - he hasn't really got a plan B if we go behind, has he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 17, 2015, 08:43:22 AM
Quote from: mulliganstired on May 17, 2015, 08:31:59 AM
I think its great we've got him, time and place availability, like Hodgson, but I do have one point.  Can anyone remember Stoke going on a really good run of wins? As I recall there were often surprisingly bad performances among the regular 1-0s at home - he hasn't really got a plan B if we go behind, has he?
That's what you get with Pulis, but his teams just the same don't go on long losing runs either. hes very good at what he does such as grinding out results to stay up. Personally I am glad he's here because he will bring stability but I wont endure the costs involved next season to watch it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 17, 2015, 10:01:09 AM
Quote from: mulliganstired on May 17, 2015, 08:31:59 AM
I think its great we've got him, time and place availability, like Hodgson, but I do have one point.  Can anyone remember Stoke going on a really good run of wins? As I recall there were often surprisingly bad performances among the regular 1-0s at home - he hasn't really got a plan B if we go behind, has he?
With our current squad (lack of pace and limited striking options) it would be difficult for anyone to have a plan B.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 17, 2015, 11:05:36 AM
Any manager needs to be given time it is seldom the case but two seasons should be the minimum that a manager gets judged on and given different players the football might evolve but does anybody believe that the basic Pulisball template is going to change?  There is no plan "b" the one tactical change is to shore up the midfield when we play the bigger clubs particularly away from home moving from a 4-4-2 to a 4-5-1. It really doesn't matter what players he has that is going to be the way he plays.

In fairness most coaches have a preferred style and formation which they will deploy almost regardless of the players available to them. It would be refreshing to encounter a coach who had the tactical flexibility to look at a group of players and adapt to their strengths and weaknesses. Too often modern coaches are one trick ponies and without players that fit their style they flounder.

 I have sympathy for coaches managing a a mid table because they simply lack the resources to be able to be effective in more than one formation and need to pick one and shape their squads to deliver that plan effectively. Unfortunately in most instances when you hire coach you are buying into a fixed style of play for better or worse and Pulisball is what it is.

     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 17, 2015, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 17, 2015, 08:19:44 AM
Think its a tad unfair to say mel failed, he wasn't here long enough to see what he could achieve with his own players bought in plus he did keep us up.

How long could he have been backed? He was statistically the 16th worst manager in Premier League history. I can't see how that record can inspire confidence in anybody.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on May 17, 2015, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 17, 2015, 11:52:26 AM
How long could he have been backed? He was statistically the 16th worst manager in Premier League history. I can't see how that record can inspire confidence in anybody.

Mate the only reason he gets praise is due to fans thinking the players were turning against him so they sided with him, I thought he was pretty clueless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on May 17, 2015, 12:55:53 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on May 17, 2015, 12:00:07 PM
Mate the only reason he gets praise is due to fans thinking the players were turning against him so they sided with him, I thought he was pretty clueless.
Clueless??? Have you had a look at how Betis are doing this season? And how bad they were before he went back to them? Clueless? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on May 17, 2015, 01:09:21 PM
Quote from: timdon on May 17, 2015, 12:55:53 PM
Clueless??? Have you had a look at how Betis are doing this season? And how bad they were before he went back to them? Clueless? I don't think so.

Reminds me abit of Mowbray, has the best squad by far in the league so doing alright but then as soon as he has to start being a bit more clever in a higher division he's out of his league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on May 17, 2015, 01:10:21 PM
Mel will always be the one that got away for me. He wanted us to play an entertaining, pressing and energetic style. A similar style to Southampton, Spurs, Swansea, Liverpool and Bournemouth.

He also knew that we needed to move a few players on - which is exactly what everyone has been saying on this Pulis thread for some time.

His appointment was a great opportunity for everyone to get together and build a great relationship between the manager, the club and the fans. All that needed to happen was for the club to back him.

They didn't and I think its to our loss.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on May 17, 2015, 01:10:27 PM
Agree with Timdon,he had everything going against him,but still kept us up,would be interesting to see what would have happened,if he was given half the backing Pulis had when he took over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on May 17, 2015, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on May 17, 2015, 01:09:21 PM
Reminds me abit of Mowbray, has the best squad by far in the league so doing alright but then as soon as he has to start being a bit more clever in a higher division he's out of his league.

But that's just not true is it. Look at his record at Betis in the top league. The only reason they went down is because the club got into financial difficulty and had to sell its best players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on May 17, 2015, 01:11:40 PM
Quote from: frazzle on May 17, 2015, 01:10:21 PM
Mel will always be the one that got away for me. He wanted us to play an entertaining, pressing and energetic style. A similar style to Southampton, Spurs, Swansea, Liverpool and Bournemouth.

He also knew that we needed to move a few players on - which is exactly what everyone has been saying on this Pulis thread for some time.

His appointment was a great opportunity for everyone to get together and build a great relationship between the manager, the club and the fans. All that needed to happen was for the club to back him.

They didn't and I think its to our loss.
What he said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on May 17, 2015, 01:51:58 PM
Mel failed laughable , he was only here for four months and kept us up with a brand of football I would rather watch than this turgid rubbish I witness now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 17, 2015, 02:06:52 PM
The fallacy of stats over the short run Mel had merely turned two draws into wins his win rate nearly doubles. Or put another way if Berahino goes into the corner against Cardiff or we somehow held our 3 goal lead against Spurs and things look very different.

Mel was not perfect but he was far from terrible but like too many coaches he was wedded to a particular style and the players were not in place to deliver it. For that matter Pulis is no different except the style is easier to deliver with any group of players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yamaka on May 17, 2015, 02:14:10 PM

This "Mel was the 16th worst manager" is a statistical nonsense that belies the fact that at the time he was here there was a battle for the heart and soul of the club. 

With the players at his disposal he was always going to struggle, backing in the summer could have created an exciting attacking team with the downside of possible defensive vulnerabilities and few clean sheets.  Instead we have taken the safe route with Pulisball which given the nature of our cautious and steady chairman is not overly surprising.  After a something of a "spring clean" Peace has eventually chosen safety over entertainment with Mr Irvine being an experiment perhaps to try and bridge the gap during a transitional (clueless?) period. With TP the owner gets to protect his investment and we get to see premier league football.  For the time being perhaps, or at least until we know what is going on with other issues like ownership,  this is enough. Time to be patient but I am sure that unexpected wins, goals and league positions over rivals will provide certain entertainment. I also think TP has ambition and would surely want to improve on past achievements and he certainly has the experience to do it. Anyone who is successful has to keep developing their skills and I do not see why our present coach manager can't bring us 40 points a lot earlier in the season bringing confidence to crack on.

Of course I was a PM supporter and would like to take pride in the style of football we play but to be honest given the players we have I find it interesting (in a Steve Davies kind of way) to watch how we grind out results. I think next year will be even more interesting 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 17, 2015, 02:16:46 PM
I was a massive fan of Mel because he seemed like a top bloke and played decent football. However, he was woeful at defending a set-piece which cost us countless points over the season. I think we'd have stayed up with him this season, but it wouldn't have been the fantasy that many remember him for. Decent-ish manager but he also had lots of faults which some people like to forget.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 17, 2015, 02:35:32 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on May 16, 2015, 09:29:53 PM
'experts' not sure why the patronsing tone.. just having a discussion.
Sorry if I came over like that it was not meant to be Signor. Genuine question I personally can not think of anyone better suited for the job in hand.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 17, 2015, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on May 17, 2015, 01:51:58 PM
Mel failed laughable , he was only here for four months and kept us up with a brand of football I would rather watch than this turgid rubbish I witness now

It was pure luck that West Brom stayed in the Premier League. Nothing to do with Pepe Mel's brand of football. Him losing so many consecutive games at the end of season left the clubs fate in the hands of the struggling Norwich.

If Norwich took more than 1 point out of their last 7 games you guys could have been looking forward to a play off final with Middlesboro. Luckily they capitulated big style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 17, 2015, 04:54:43 PM
Pepe Mel was useless, Downing and Kiely had to take control in the end. Thank God we now have a manager who knows what he's doing in this league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 17, 2015, 05:20:08 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 17, 2015, 04:54:43 PM
Pepe Mel was useless, Downing and Kiely had to take control in the end. Thank God we now have a manager who knows what he's doing in this league.
Again I'm not being smart but why comment on something you don't know about ? None of us new what happened behind the scenes and if you want to think of downer and kiely as supermen I will let you my friend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 17, 2015, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 17, 2015, 03:11:47 PM
It was pure luck that West Brom stayed in the Premier League. Nothing to do with Pepe Mel's brand of football. Him losing so many consecutive games at the end of season left the clubs fate in the hands of the struggling Norwich.

If Norwich took more than 1 point out of their last 7 games you guys could have been looking forward to a play off final with Middlesboro. Luckily they capitulated big style.
Have you answered the question of would you have him back at Stoke yet?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 17, 2015, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on May 17, 2015, 05:20:08 PM
Again I'm not being smart but why comment on something you don't know about ? None of us new what happened behind the scenes and if you want to think of downer and kiely as supermen I will let you my friend.

It was reported by the media that some of the players referred to Downing as gaffer and that they couldn't understand Mel so Downing and Kiely had to take control. There were obviously communication issues and it was obvious when we went away to Norwich and defended deep who was in charge same with the win against West Ham, the wins that kept us up. Downing and Kiely are not supermen but we would be playing in the Championship without them last season, that I do believe.

Anyway time to move on from last season which was awful. This season has been far better and I'm looking forward to the Pulis era.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 17, 2015, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 17, 2015, 05:49:56 PM
It was reported by the media that some of the players referred to Downing as gaffer and that they couldn't understand Mel so Downing and Kiely had to take control. There were obviously communication issues and it was obvious when we went away to Norwich and defended deep who was in charge same with the win against West Ham, the wins that kept us up. Downing and Kiely are not supermen but we would be playing in the Championship without them last season, that I do believe.

Anyway time to move on from last season which was awful. This season has been far better and I'm looking forward to the Pulis era.

So players referring to Downing as Gaffer saying they couldn't understand Mel means he is useless ?

Going over old ground but few of those players should be grateful for where they are and I doubt they will be getting away with things under Pulis and his backroom team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 17, 2015, 06:29:20 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 17, 2015, 11:52:26 AM
How long could he have been backed? He was statistically the 16th worst manager in Premier League history. I can't see how that record can inspire confidence in anybody.

How can anyone question how long could he backed, he was only here for 4 months. the fact is he wasn't backed by the board or players. not saying he was a world beater or better than pulis but I know whos team I would rather watch after a couple of transfer windows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 17, 2015, 07:05:11 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on May 16, 2015, 10:02:18 PM
Read through my posts on pious you will find I give him as much applause as criticism he has he's good and bad points for me agree with the above I don't see why you have to be smart probably because your looking for a bite.
Yes, you do to be fair.Not looking for a bite just an answer to IMO a valid question. I think the Guy has earned his right to take us forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 17, 2015, 07:30:00 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 17, 2015, 07:05:11 PM
Yes, you do to be fair.Not looking for a bite just an answer to IMO a valid question. I think the Guy has earned his right to take us forward.

Respect where it's due Glosterbaggie.
That looks like a mighty fine bacon sandwich you have there in your avatar.
Quality.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 17, 2015, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on May 17, 2015, 07:30:00 PM
Respect where it's due Glosterbaggie.
That looks like a mighty fine bacon sandwich you have there in your avatar.
Quality.
 8).
I must be honest and say never tried one of that size! It would have to be after a good night out! I think Pulis has done well just on topic! LOL!! 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 17, 2015, 08:06:07 PM
I wonder if our Tone appreciates the finer qualities of brown sauce on his bacon butties, gotta be done squire.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on May 17, 2015, 08:23:39 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 17, 2015, 05:49:56 PM
It was reported by the media that some of the players referred to Downing as gaffer and that they couldn't understand Mel so Downing and Kiely had to take control. There were obviously communication issues and it was obvious when we went away to Norwich and defended deep who was in charge same with the win against West Ham, the wins that kept us up. Downing and Kiely are not supermen but we would be playing in the Championship without them last season, that I do believe.

Anyway time to move on from last season which was awful. This season has been far better and I'm looking forward to the Pulis era.

playing for corners and throw ins (if we find someone to throw the ball miles) will be such fun
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on May 17, 2015, 08:31:32 PM
We're all entitled to opinions, if you don't want to watch Pulis's team then don't go.

Personally, I think we need to wait to see how we play under him next season. He was asked to keep the team up this season, not to play pretty football, just to get the results to keep us up.

He succeeded in his task and now can hopefully produce a more entertaining style, together with results next season.

All I say is he deserves the chance to form his team to play how he wants. We can then judge him and rightly have a moan if we don't like it.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on May 17, 2015, 08:34:46 PM
I liked Mel but it was "pie in the sky" football he wanted to play but the plain fact is he didn't have to players to play that way and indeed they didn't want to because they were not fit enough to play a pressing type game. I agree if Mel could have moulded the team the way he wanted to we could have stayed up, but still more of a risk than with Pulis.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 17, 2015, 08:50:50 PM
Quote from: botters on May 17, 2015, 08:34:46 PM
I liked Mel but it was "pie in the sky" football he wanted to play but the plain fact is he didn't have to players to play that way and indeed they didn't want to because they were not fit enough to play a pressing type game. I agree if Mel could have moulded the team the way he wanted to we could have stayed up, but still more of a risk than with Pulis.   

Mel was trying to play top four football with bottom four players, it was never going to work.
Pulis's football is more industrial but more effective under our current set up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 17, 2015, 09:07:53 PM
pulis is the best man for the simple fact these players are to outspoken and temperamental maybe ? Once there chum downing had gone it could of gone very wrong luckily we appointed a military figure in pulis ? Just a different view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 17, 2015, 09:51:26 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on May 17, 2015, 09:07:53 PM
pulis is the best man for the simple fact these players are to outspoken and temperamental maybe ? Once there chum downing had gone it could of gone very wrong luckily we appointed a military figure in pulis ? Just a different view.
I think so.They needed a firm hand.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on May 18, 2015, 07:15:34 AM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 17, 2015, 09:51:26 PM
I think so.They needed a firm hand.

And Pulis was never going to be bullied or suffer from player-power in the way Mel apparently did.

Just to put in my two pence worth, I'd have like to have seen Mel given the chance to bring in the right players to play his system but that ship has sailed.

I'm looking forward to seeing what TP does in the window and what the way forward for the Albion will look like.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 18, 2015, 09:55:27 AM
I'm firmly in the camp of "don't like Pulisball but he has earned a crack at building a team for next season".

I would be interested to know how many games we think he can have before we draw conclusions over "style".
Assuming a few late signings (because thats how the pyramid / system works). I think TP should be given at least until xmas (15 games, 7-8 home games) before fans start ripping up season tickets / abstaining from going due to stiff necks.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 18, 2015, 09:59:12 AM
I mentioned Tyrone Mings (Ipswich LB) in the transfer thread & jokingly mentioned he had a long throw (it was employed v Norwich in the p/o!!) However, yesterday I watched Bristol Rovers employ this tactic & every throw alongside the box was like a corner!! Interestingly Athletic Madrid used the tactic v Barcalona last night! I know its a Stokism & not a favoured tactic for the football purist but it certainly whipped up the crowd into a frenzy at the Conference p/o final!!
Over to you TP!!! 8)

btw just playing devil's advocate here!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on May 18, 2015, 10:26:07 AM
I have no objection to long throws - I seem to remember wee Willie Johnston flinging them in pretty well!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on May 18, 2015, 10:47:47 AM
I have no problem with long throws so long as the team doesn't become centred around them like Stoke were.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 18, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
Quote from: MarkW on May 18, 2015, 10:47:47 AM
I have no problem with long throws so long as the team doesn't become centred around them like Stoke were.
perhaps we should be looking at the NBA for potential new signings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 18, 2015, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: Albionic on May 18, 2015, 09:55:27 AM
I'm firmly in the camp of "don't like Pulisball but he has earned a crack at building a team for next season".

I would be interested to know how many games we think he can have before we draw conclusions over "style".
Assuming a few late signings (because thats how the pyramid / system works). I think TP should be given at least until xmas (15 games, 7-8 home games) before fans start ripping up season tickets / abstaining from going due to stiff necks.  Thoughts?

What do we benchmark 'style' against , Albion in 1954, 68, 78 or 2008? In other words do we want Piulis to build a team like we've played for about 4 years in the past 60? If so that's pretty unrealistic. If we want a realistic benchmark e.g. Like Roys team a few years which were solid and unimaginative but counter attacked with pace and power I think we could aim for that under Pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 18, 2015, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: darbolina on May 18, 2015, 12:23:17 PM
What do we benchmark 'style' against , Albion in 1954, 68, 78 or 2008? In other words do we want Piulis to build a team like we've played for about 4 years in the past 60? If so that's pretty unrealistic. If we want a realistic benchmark e.g. Like Roys team a few years which were solid and unimaginative but counter attacked with pace and power I think we could aim for that under Pulis?

I think for everyone the criteria will be different but it could generally be "entertainment / a value for money experience",

I would accept that for many match day is not just about the football on the pitch, but for me its the major element and personally I will not travel around 400miles (round trip) when I cannot have a drink (because i'm driving) to watch turgid football.
I would give TP time to build a squad but if at xmas there is no sign of a change in style it is unlikely I will go again until some radical change ensues.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 19, 2015, 06:53:06 AM
Quote from: Albionic on May 18, 2015, 12:36:08 PM
I think for everyone the criteria will be different but it could generally be "entertainment / a value for money experience",

I would accept that for many match day is not just about the football on the pitch, but for me its the major element and personally I will not travel around 400miles (round trip) when I cannot have a drink (because i'm driving) to watch turgid football.
I would give TP time to build a squad but if at xmas there is no sign of a change in style it is unlikely I will go again until some radical change ensues.

I think we got that last night, don't you?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 19, 2015, 07:23:26 AM
Brilliant from pulis and the players never seen us be so dominant over a team like Chelsea, Very happy baggie.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 19, 2015, 07:52:51 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on May 19, 2015, 07:23:26 AM
Brilliant from pulis and the players never seen us be so dominant over a team like Chelsea, Very happy baggie.
It was an entertaining match, a good performance and a great result. It showed what I have said all season that the squad aren't as bad as some would like to portray them. However you need to maintain some balance, we played 10 man Chelsea with nothing of interest hanging on the result other than pride. I would imagine it would have been a different game had either Chelsea or us required points for the title or to avoid relegation.
It was good to see us take the brakes off and show that we can challenge the top sides and hopefully Pulis will reflect and recognise this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 19, 2015, 08:46:48 AM
The irony of last night was we for the first time in ages went to 4-2-3-1 which is still the formation that best fits the squad.  We didn't have a big target man so we had to play to feet and with the pressure off we played some decent football. If we re-produce that on a regular basis I would be delighted my fear is we won't but we will wait and see.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 19, 2015, 10:26:56 AM
I suppose it shows that TP does think about changing it for certain opposition. In his pre match interview he said Saido would cause Terry and Cahill more problems with his movement and runs than a big centre forward (Vic).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yamaka on May 19, 2015, 11:55:19 AM
Like many of us I guess I was not overly enthralled by his initial appointment by the club. But seeing the way he has managed to instill both pride and passion into a team that seemed devoid of real direction and motivation has been a revelation to me personally. When he first arrived I seem to remember him talking a lot about unity and fair play to the guy he has bought us all together with results like last night being the "proof of the pudding. "

Typically for Albion however there is still no real stability at the moment which is something I feel we desperately need. If all goes well  and there is a transfer of ownership he can be a steadying influence where it matters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 19, 2015, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on May 19, 2015, 06:53:06 AM
I think we got that last night, don't you?

Absolutely !

Serve that up every week and we will have a waiting list for season tickets
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 19, 2015, 12:12:40 PM
I know he's not everyone's choice but for me Pulis has done a fantastic job overall keeping this unbalanced squad up with games to spare , i accept we need to attack a bit more at home against mid table/lower teams and our away performances must get better but hopefully with some new additions (and a fit McManaman) we will see this .
Points on the board were needed from Everton onward's and hats off to TP he has done that with a mixture of performances really . This squad is now more commited , fitter and mentally stronger than in years for my money .
For the first time in a while I'm actually looking forward to the Summer window and next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 19, 2015, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on May 08, 2015, 03:12:50 PM
Cameron or Pulis, Cameron or Pulis... Jeez who would I rather have for 5 years, what a horrid conundrum
Truth is we have no say in either??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 19, 2015, 05:48:25 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 14, 2015, 08:54:22 AM
And the reason we have more points per game? We haven't played, Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal under TP yet. We may get points from those matches but when we can not get points from Leicester or QPR at home I am struggling to believe we can get points from these fixtures. I am hopeful we can pick up one or two before the end of the season (Newcastle will be a big game with their and our current form), just enough to stay up. My reckoning by the end of the season the records will be almost identical.

Not just yourself VVV I saw a comment similar to this from a few people on here. Pulis' record is massively superior to Irvine's before we have kicked a ball in anger at The Emirates. We were going down and now we're not.

All hail TP, anti-football merchant, saviour of WBA.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 19, 2015, 06:41:48 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 19, 2015, 05:48:25 PM
Not just yourself VVV I saw a comment similar to this from a few people on here. Pulis' record is massively superior to Irvine's before we have kicked a ball in anger at The Emirates. We were going down and now we're not.

All hail TP, anti-football merchant, saviour of WBA.
I was wrong but I don't think many could have seen us pick up 11 from the last 15 points and fair play to anyone who said we would, especially after we lost as we did to Leicester and QPR. I have said, all season, we have a squad more than capable of keeping us up and finishing at least 13th proves it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on May 19, 2015, 06:42:01 PM
Anybody reading anything into TP's ridiculous 35 second  press conference?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 19, 2015, 06:42:16 PM
Quite rightly, Pulis has earned himself an extended crack at the job. I did think we were heading towards the Championship under Irivne - Pulis has arrived, steadied the ship and most importantly got us winning games. Our home form - apart from the two games against Leicester and QPR has been relatively impressive.

Last night however is exactly what I want from an Albion side. There was an ambition to win the game, to maneuver the ball whilst maintaining the solid defensive shield that Pulis has created at the club. I would like him to bottle that approach and make that the blueprint of his Albion tenure - unfortunately, his lack of ambition away from home is always going to be a bug bear of mine but if we're going to win more games at home and heaven knows its about time, then I'm sure I can put up with another season of him. The two best performances throughout his tenure so far have been in games where the handbrake has been removed - in that process we have scored 7 goals and kept two clean sheets - bearing that in mind, maybe Pulis should remove that handbrake a bit more? (the games in question are West Ham and Chelsea)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 19, 2015, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: Londonbaggymike on May 19, 2015, 06:42:01 PM
Anybody reading anything into TP's ridiculous 35 second  press conference?

I started a thread about it and JPs end of seasons comments and it got pulled  :-X His interview on Sky was odd too, was talking about his long term aims for the club and hope to be able to implement them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 19, 2015, 06:48:04 PM
I cant knock what Tony Pulis has done. One or two away games Sunderland and Newcastle spring to mind, I felt we could have got more than just the draw. Last night, the West Ham cup game and at home to Swansea were all top class performances with entertaining football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 19, 2015, 07:33:32 PM
Quote from: fatboy_coach on May 19, 2015, 06:46:20 PM
I started a thread about it and JPs end of seasons comments and it got pulled  :-X His interview on Sky was odd too, was talking about his long term aims for the club and hope to be able to implement them.
Suppose like everybody else until we/he knows exactly what 's going to happen close season he's keeping his thoughts to himself - will JP still be in charge & back him financially or will JP sell up & demand TP remains in place or do new buyers do what they want! Guess we need to watch this space!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 19, 2015, 08:13:46 PM
Quote from: fatboy_coach on May 19, 2015, 06:46:20 PM
I started a thread about it and JPs end of seasons comments and it got pulled  :-X His interview on Sky was odd too, was talking about his long term aims for the club and hope to be able to implement them.

No it got merged into the thread about the possible takeover

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=15777.msg383311#msg383311
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 19, 2015, 08:29:16 PM
Sorry, I did a man look and couldn't find it  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 19, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on May 16, 2015, 09:11:47 PM
Never finished in the top half of the table though has he, what a manager.

The fact that he has led us to 13 place with our current squad, indicates that he is a fantastic manager. Irvine would have taken us down. Realistically, who do you think we could attract that is a better manager?

Quote from: BobTaylor on May 16, 2015, 09:15:01 PM
Interesting view  you rate him very highly can I ask if your a season ticket holder ?.

No, I live in Spain, but watch every game live.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on May 19, 2015, 10:24:07 PM
Huge credit to Pulis AND the players (who have quite rightly been criticised over the last couple of years) for what they have achieved this season (and especially over the last 5 games).

I honestly thought we were in serious trouble after the woeful QPR and Astle Day results, there is always one team that drops like a stone, and I was convinced that it was going to be us, particularly with that dreaded run in  :o

Looks like Newcastle are this season's lead weight though, shame that the point they got against us looks as if it may just be enough to help them survive  :(

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CoachRagnar on May 23, 2015, 03:23:33 PM
Jose Mourinho: If I owned a football club, I'd install Tony Pulis as manager.

But what does Jose know? Tony Pulis obviously needs to leave the Albion because he is a manager who plays hoofball, Pulisball, boring ball and winning ball. Oh dear god, did I say winning ball? Apparently winning ball doesn't count enough to overcome all of the negatives of the dreaded Manager Pulis.

Perhaps we can entice Arsène Wenger. He manages with flair, élan, and the elegance that only a Frenchman can bring to a team. The Albion would soar into the champions league, people would mop the tears out of their eyes at the beauty and grace of the ball being played. Doves would be released and the clouds would part and the sun would shine at the Hawthorns. (At this point cue Pachabel's Canon and show the team throwing their arms in the air as they walk victorious from the pitch)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 23, 2015, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: CoachRagnar on May 23, 2015, 03:23:33 PM
Jose Mourinho: If I owned a football club, I'd install Tony Pulis as manager.

But what does Jose know? Tony Pulis obviously needs to leave the Albion because he is a manager who plays hoofball, Pulisball, boring ball and winning ball. Oh dear god, did I say winning ball? Apparently winning ball doesn't count enough to overcome all of the negatives of the dreaded Manager Pulis.

Perhaps we can entice Arsène Wenger. He manages with flair, élan, and the elegance that only a Frenchman can bring to a team. The Albion would soar into the champions league, people would mop the tears out of their eyes at the beauty and grace of the ball being played. Doves would be released and the clouds would part and the sun would shine at the Hawthorns. (At this point cue Pachabel's Canon and show the team throwing their arms in the air as they walk victorious from the pitch)

I agree with you entirely. Pulis Out!

Not sure we could get Arsene mind?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on May 29, 2015, 10:08:18 AM
Sounds like a good evening was had by all at the Supporters Club Player of The Season Awards Night, particularly our Tone

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-speech-steals-show-9350979?

Tony Pulis speech steals the show at West Brom supporters awards night

Read the full end-of-season address given by the West Bromwich Albion boss at the Supporters' Player of the Year awards - including a cheeky pop at Villa!

Tony Pulis stole the show at West Bromwich Albion’s Supporters’ Player of the Year awards bash.

The Baggies boss delivered a heart-felt unscripted four minute address to fans where he even had a tongue-in-cheek pop at Villa.

He revealed his frustrations at the two defeats at Villa Park and also to QPR and Leicester on Astle Day.

And he spoke of his pride at the performances of his players in marching to safety and his joy at managing the club.

Here is his word-for-word address:

“First and foremost welcome to the people that make football clubs and that is the true supporters, the people who turn up week-in, week-out.

“It was always going to be a tough call, joining a football club at the time when we joined. I’ve done it before but never so late in a season and never so late in the sense of only having three weeks to make changes.

“We wanted to bring three players in just to help the squad that we’ve got, so it was difficult in that respect. I think the players have been absolutely wonderful.

“There were two real disappointing weeks in the season: the League game against Villa where Ben made that mistake in the last seconds of the four minutes that they added on that gave them an extra two points.

“It would have been lovely me stood here watching them sweat this weekend - maybe next year eh?!

“Then there was the disappointing Cup tie where first half I thought we were by far the better team. If we hadn’t missed the chances that we’d missed and then the referee sends Yacob off when it was still 1-0 and we still had a chance of getting back into the game.

“It was just fate really that it went their way and not our way.

“The other games that you can say you were really disappointed with were obviously the QPR and the Leicester games.

“Take those two games aside and the performances of the players and the attitude of the players and the commitment of the group of players that you’ve got at this football club - you can be nothing but proud of what they’ve done and what they’ve achieved - especially when the pressure was on after those two games.

“The pressure was really on and you either stand or fall when that happens and those players stood up for this football club which was absolutely fantastic.

“The disappointment of losing those two games and then going to Palace, always a difficult game, and to get a result there and then get a result against the so-called bigger teams... winning at Old Trafford, getting a result at home to Liverpool and we missed a couple of great chances to win that game, then a great result at home to Chelsea. That was a wonderful, wonderful night.

“My highlight? Speaking here tonight, of course! No... it was coming to a football club that I didn’t know a lot about in lots of respects and finding out what a wonderful club it is.

“It is truly a wonderful club. There are lovely people - you go to the training ground and the main ground... people around the place. People make football clubs, they are the fabric of a football club.

“People at the Albion are wonderful people - and real die-hard supporters. This club can be very proud of them.”

Pulis also enjoyed a cheeky swipe at Chris Brunt: “The real secret was getting Joleon out of the heart of the defence and putting him to left-back it gave us that little bit more quality going forward!”

Fans Player of the Year Joleon Lescott was in jovial mood.

Introduced with a ‘he used to be... but he’s not now’ by Supporters’ Chairman John Homer in reference to his lengthy stint at former club Wolves, Lescott brought the house down:

“I’m grateful, obviously, to win any award and be appreciated by the fans. Obviously my background was a bit suspect when I came...”
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: richjonawba on May 29, 2015, 10:16:03 AM
I thought Morrison was fans player of the year...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 29, 2015, 10:20:37 AM
Maybe next year  :D not if you play 8 defenders tone my old mucka, If they win tomorrow might give our fixture a miss next season definitely the away game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on May 29, 2015, 10:28:22 AM
Comes across as a thoroughly decent bloke! Add to the fact we finally have someone in charge who knows what they are doing...I'm looking forward to next season more than I have done in recent years!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 29, 2015, 10:46:09 AM
Quote from: richjonawba on May 29, 2015, 10:16:03 AM
I thought Morrison was fans player of the year...

I think thats from Facebook votes.

The story in the Mail is over a week old as the event was on the 21st for the Supporters Club Player of the Year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on May 29, 2015, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on May 29, 2015, 10:46:09 AM
I think thats from Facebook votes.

The story in the Mail is over a week old as the event was on the 21st for the Supporters Club Player of the Year
yes I thought it was weird as he is off doing a row for charity at the moment I think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on June 18, 2015, 08:04:20 AM
Tone back at his desk today after a short holiday, maybe see a bit of movement now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 10, 2015, 09:56:54 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on June 18, 2015, 08:04:20 AM
Tone back at his desk today after a short holiday, maybe see a bit of movement now.

That was the previous comment on this thread, over 3 weeks ago.

I wonder how TP is feeling?  I'm particularly concerned due to the circumstances in which he left Palace last August.  I am worried that he will walk away.  Especially as we have removed most of the infrastructure put in place to ensure some sort of stability when we change managers.

I'm sure TP's experienced enough not to expect everything to fall into place in early July.  I expect he's used to drawn-out transfer sagas.  I imagine that Burton and Day went as Pulis saw no value in them, and that change in structure is a show of our commitment to him.  I wonder if a new owner is a positive for him - extra funds, etc - or just more of the same tight fiscal restrictions, but with an unknown boss?

I think sellers are asking for prices based on projected 2016-17 incomes, especially English sellers - and lets face it that is where we are shopping.

What's the worst that could happen?  Chinese stock market crash stops new buyer from completing at the end of July.  JP has to come to terms with staying - and needs us to run at a healthy profit for next summers attempt to sell.  Reins in spending.  TP spits the dummy.  Its 1st August.  We have no new owner, no manager or coaches, no recruitment dept, big holes in our team and 10 days until the season starts... 

I know, some really positive stuff could happen too.  I'm just frustrated with West Brom and have a keyboard in front of me!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on July 10, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
I can't see him walking as it would damage his reputation having done it before. However he must be very frustrated. I know it is still fairly early and some other sides haven't done much business but there is a hell of a lot of work to be done to improve our squad possible more so than many other teams around us. I know he stated that he would like the baulk of signings made by early pre-season yet here we are with just the one signing made. With only 4 weeks now to kick off I can see us starting the season with pretty much the same 11 we finished the last one with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on July 10, 2015, 10:37:30 AM
To be honest I cant see why he would walk away, the situation now is totally different to the Palace one.

At Palace, he identified some players he wanted and the club didnt back him to go and get those players in.

The difference so far has been that, the players he has identified, i.e Ba and Gignac, we have made efforts to sign both. We made a very attractive offer to Ba, and we cant compete with the monies he has gone for.

TP cant complain that we havent tried to sign the players he wants.

Will be interesting to see how the Phillips situation pans out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on July 10, 2015, 10:44:16 AM
Slowly slowly catch a monkey  :D, Plenty of time yet mate in all honesty i am just looking forward to watching some football this period in the football season bores me stiff, The last day in August can get exciting as we know but that's about it too many rumors and attention seekers for me spreading rubbish.

We can and will sign players but we fall into the bottom eight bracket of teams in the market inthis league it seems and not by our own fault, Palace, Newcastle and West Ham have all just spent in region of 13-15 million on single players and good quality players to i may add, Very hard to compete with that, Swansea just signed Ayew very lively player.

We have some good players one fantastic player but its unfortunate that there is a gap between us and the four or so teams qualifying for the top eight, Not a huge gap but its enough to be more appealing in the market than us which leaves us with there knock offs, Championship prospects or the unknown from abroad we just have to make the best of that situation.

Which comes onto players we are left with the likes of Jarvis, Walters, Sako etc all similar standards to the likes of Mcclean, Mcmanaman we just have to forge a competitive team and get behind them.

Can all change in a day mate and there is many ways of looking at it i will judge when the window closes but if its not what you had imagined then consider the many factors, Many people just say Peace is being tight etc but we have to be appealing to the player, We are also dipping into a very selective market in all based homegrown players so that narrows our possibilities naturally.

I dont know why this stage of the season doesnt bother me as it probably should but i just feel what will be will be, We may bring in some pretty average players and they may buy into pulis system and be very effective for us you just never know.

Boing Boing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2015, 01:26:53 PM
We think the squad is in tatters but it really isn't . Fact is we stayed up comfortably despite employing the worst manager in PL history for half the season. To maintain the status quo we need minimal additions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on July 10, 2015, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2015, 01:26:53 PM
We think the squad is in tatters but it really isn't . Fact is we stayed up comfortably despite employing the worst manager in PL history for half the season. To maintain the status quo we need minimal additions.

Actually very true while it's not exciting it is a very competitive hard working squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on July 10, 2015, 01:35:24 PM
I don't think Pulis will go in the same manner as he did at Palace. With the changes in the back room staff Pulis is pretty much in complete control of recruitment at the club which was as much of the issue at Palace as his inability to sign the players he wanted. If he leaves another club in the lurch over transfers two years in a row his reputation will be damaged if not beyond repair but certainly other clubs would be less willing to hire him.

However the budget does not go particularly far if we focus solely on players with English experience who are uniformly over paid and over priced. Unfortunately I suspect Pulis will stick with what he knows so it will be a long frustrating summer and we will end up with some very moderate British based players when better players would be available overseas.


   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on July 10, 2015, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2015, 01:26:53 PM
We think the squad is in tatters but it really isn't . Fact is we stayed up comfortably despite employing the worst manager in PL history for half the season. To maintain the status quo we need minimal additions.

Correct but there's that phrase 'if you're standing still you're going backwards'.

We do have areas that do need improving, and there are concerns that are warranted, but it's definitely not panic stations just yet!

Many of our midfielders are at their peak between now and a couple of seasons' time - Brunt (30), Morrison (29), Gardner (28), Sessegnon (31). It's good we've brought in McManaman and McClean because they are somewhat younger and will be peaking further into the future.

We also have three centre halves who are all far beyond 30. So that's something to be addressed.

What will be interesting is where the blame goes if we still are slow making signings later on. We got rid of Burton and Day, so really Pulis has the setup he wants. If the signings don't materialise then it can only be his fault, or maybe Peace/Garlick if it's because we won't pay vast sums.

As Jacko said, the squad isn't in bad shape, but there's room for improvement, so it's just a case of being patient
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggyman68 on July 10, 2015, 03:27:54 PM
How is the squad "not in bad shape" ?
No full backs or at least players that usually play in that position, centre halves that are getting older and slower, no real play maker in midfield and limited options up front.
Last years acquisitions either shipped out or not trusted.
Please tell me how to optimistic of a decent season without having to worry about relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: A5HB on July 10, 2015, 03:52:32 PM
I doubt Pulis will walk because of transfers. This is a very different scenario to Palace. He left Palace because Parish wouldn't even compete for his preferred targets (Caulker, Sigurdsson) and tried to force his/the clubs choices on him (Zaha).

Pulis is in full control here, every player we have gone after has been his choice and we have shown we are willing to compete if we can. It's not ours of his fault if those targets get ridiculous money or simply choose to go elsewhere, that's just football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on July 10, 2015, 03:52:43 PM
Quote from: baggyman68 on July 10, 2015, 03:27:54 PM
How is the squad "not in bad shape" ?
No full backs or at least players that usually play in that position, centre halves that are getting older and slower, no real play maker in midfield and limited options up front.
Last years acquisitions either shipped out or not trusted.
Please tell me how to optimistic of a decent season without having to worry about relegation.

To be honest mate we have Pulis while we won't be anything spectacular or entertaining I'm sure he can keep us up even with an average squad this man knows how to grind out results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on July 10, 2015, 03:53:52 PM
Spine of
GK -Myhill / Foster

CH - Lescott/ Ollson/ McCauley / Dawson

CMF - Fletcher, Morrison, Gardner, Yac

CF Bera / Ideye / Anichebe

Ok, I'll concede its not "sparkling or flamboyent" but its solid enough to do a job. Yes it can be improved and its ageing, but it isn't all doom and gloom.

on the flanks (I'm assuming that Poc / Gamboa are history)
RB - Dawson / ??? - My major concern
LB - Lescott / Brunt yes a worry because we need Joleon in the centre as much as possible
Wings - Mcmanaman / McLean / Sess? - I'm far from convinced.

In summary, priorities for me, RB a necessity, another LB and another wide man a major requirement, others nice to haves!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on July 10, 2015, 04:27:52 PM
We need to buy quality not quantity. As said the spine of the team is fine, just a few really good signings to make that difference.
Another striker, a pair of decent fullbacks and a utility man and i would be happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on July 10, 2015, 04:35:42 PM
I dont think there is anything to panic about, i think we will know if Pulis was backed if he is still here come September 1st (and i think he will be)

I would rather us wait and get the players we want than panic and get anybody, example probably is Phillips, at the moment its all the posturing, we were never going to say to QPR we offer £6m and they say great thank you, they will bump it up as much as they can and we will try and keep it as low as we can, if it takes a couple of weeks extra to complete but we get the right man, so be it.

As for Pulis, i think he comes across a good bloke, a mans man so to speak, he seems the sort if you give everything and do as he asks, no problems and he will look after you, if you try and pull a fast one, he will rip you a new one, as we have a large british contingent in our squad who probably know that way better than anywhere else in the world, its not a bad thing at all.

There were times last season when we drove me mad with how negative we were, but other times it was a joy to watch, if we keep that up we will be okay as with Pulis you are guarenteed the organsation, workrate and discipline.

As for full backs, he is known to like big strong players there and Dawson played very well at full back most of the time so maybe Pulis sees him and one other for that role and left back, i thought Brunt was superb, again he will have the odd howler as its a new role but the way we played suited him and i would have no objection if he starts the season there because i said a couple of seasons ago i thought left back would suit him as the games infront of him, can only think Pulis has scanned the forum and took my advice!!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on July 10, 2015, 06:53:14 PM
I don't think there is any chance of TP going anywhere.

 We are getting a little jittery as the close season is short, the pre-season tour is about to start without any real new additions and TP did say he wanted to get things done as early as possible. So there is room for some disquiet.

Similar sized clubs " appear" to be doing some business and we look like we are sitting on our hands waiting for the prices to come down....it could all change very quickly. After last years total debacle  and the money wasted I guess JP is a little entitled to hold fire on new additions.

But I think JP and TP are as solid as it gets and for the moment the club could not be in better hands TBH.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on July 10, 2015, 07:19:22 PM
dont panic people, if pulis walked he would never get another premier league job it would be career suicide to do that again, who would employ him if he did that twice to a club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on July 10, 2015, 07:25:41 PM
The club is notoriously tight lipped about our transfer business and that's also the way Pulis tends to operate. So a lot could be happening behind the scenes without there being a scrap of news in the press. I think Pulis would be quite happy if the first time a transfer broke was when the player was unveiled. He doesn't pop up every five minutes during the closed season talking about targets in fact I don't think he has done any media since the players returned.

There has been a lot of speculation about the overhaul that Pulis is going to lead but nothing much from the man himself. We could get by quite well with as few as five signings if they are all of the right quality. Also a lot hinges on how successful Pulis is moving on players he deems as surplus to requirements.

I don't think there is much danger of him walking out in any event but I think it is way to soon to be talking about a crisis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on July 10, 2015, 08:59:09 PM
I'm just trying to understand where the notion that 'Pulis will be gone by September'  has come from?
Talk about panic!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on July 10, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on July 10, 2015, 08:59:09 PM
I'm just trying to understand where the notion that 'Pulis will be gone by September'  has come from?
Talk about panic!

and where would he go to ?     :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 10, 2015, 10:23:01 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on July 10, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
and where would he go to ?     :o
If he does not get the players he needs in. (And am not saying he will not) But if by November there could be 3/4/5 clubs needing a manager who can keep them up. (If we do not get players in)
Hope that makes sense mate!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on July 10, 2015, 10:59:49 PM
Can't see it . So when does he resign , does he do it now ? Or does he do it when there might be a another job available ? . Patience is a virtue .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on July 11, 2015, 09:12:26 AM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on July 10, 2015, 10:23:01 PM
If he does not get the players he needs in. (And am not saying he will not) But if by November there could be 3/4/5 clubs needing a manager who can keep them up. (If we do not get players in)
Hope that makes sense mate!

When he came to the Hawthorns one of the questions we would have asked is "Okay Tony would you like to tell me what happened at Palace?" Obviously the answer was such that we felt able to hire him and accommodate his working preferences with regard to transfers. We have since fired the coaching staff and the existing recruitment team including a couple of scouts giving Pulis complete control.

Now fast forward to the next interview in 6 months time and the question becomes a lot more difficult. It is not a question of control he has that, it basically comes down to I want more money to spend and unless I get it I'm off. That is a lot harder to swallow if you are an owner because there is a limit to what any club can afford to spend and to have the gun put to their head by their own manager is not acceptable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 11, 2015, 04:26:20 PM
Quote from: MarkW on July 10, 2015, 01:38:46 PM
Correct but there's that phrase 'if you're standing still you're going backwards'.

We do have areas that do need improving, and there are concerns that are warranted, but it's definitely not panic stations just yet!

Many of our midfielders are at their peak between now and a couple of seasons' time - Brunt (30), Morrison (29), Gardner (28), Sessegnon (31). It's good we've brought in McManaman and McClean because they are somewhat younger and will be peaking further into the future.

We also have three centre halves who are all far beyond 30. So that's something to be addressed.

What will be interesting is where the blame goes if we still are slow making signings later on. We got rid of Burton and Day, so really Pulis has the setup he wants. If the signings don't materialise then it can only be his fault, or maybe Peace/Garlick if it's because we won't pay vast sums.

As Jacko said, the squad isn't in bad shape, but there's room for improvement, so it's just a case of being patient
But we wouldn't be standing still because we wouldn't have Irvine for half a season so therefore progression?
Listen I've ditched my season ticket because I don't like that 5 years ago he was Mr anti football now he's Corberan,but he will ensure safety.
The next question is how much for how much,what can we spend to get us where,is it worth 10-14 to guarantee survival?,probably is it worth wba spending 30m to move up 3 places?,no way..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on July 11, 2015, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on July 11, 2015, 04:26:20 PM
But we wouldn't be standing still because we wouldn't have Irvine for half a season so therefore progression?
Listen I've ditched my season ticket because I don't like that 5 years ago he was Mr anti football now he's Corberan,but he will ensure safety.
The next question is how much for how much,what can we spend to get us where,is it worth 10-14 to guarantee survival?,probably is it worth wba spending 30m to move up 3 places?,no way..

I'm not really talking about points, I'm talking about squad planning and building. We should be constantly looking to improve the first team and the squad. Yes we get Pulis for the whole season (he says nervously!), but I'm not really referring to that, rather the fact we (and therefore Pulis) needs to be looking two to three seasons ahead and plan this summer accordingly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 11, 2015, 07:55:39 PM
Quote from: Standaman on July 11, 2015, 09:12:26 AM
When he came to the Hawthorns one of the questions we would have asked is "Okay Tony would you like to tell me what happened at Palace?" Obviously the answer was such that we felt able to hire him and accommodate his working preferences with regard to transfers. We have since fired the coaching staff and the existing recruitment team including a couple of scouts giving Pulis complete control.

Now fast forward to the next interview in 6 months time and the question becomes a lot more difficult. It is not a question of control he has that, it basically comes down to I want more money to spend and unless I get it I'm off. That is a lot harder to swallow if you are an owner because there is a limit to what any club can afford to spend and to have the gun put to their head by their own manager is not acceptable.
If you had read my post properly? I said IF he does not get the players in he needs.And he has up to now been very prudent and successful with his signings.
But if he cannot get players in he wants......
Then if we are sliding down and some other club came in with funds to improve he may well walk.
It would be better on his CV to leave a club who did not back him and go to one that did.
There is a way to go yet and I am not saying that he will not get the players he wants in.
I am merely saying he will not be short of alternative clubs who need to stay up.
Sorry if my post was not clear mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIE5 on July 12, 2015, 08:12:41 PM
Surely he's getting twichy now, just seeing other clubs signing players. Such an important window for us and like usual where standing still.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on July 12, 2015, 08:42:11 PM
Quote from: BAGGIE5 on July 12, 2015, 08:12:41 PM
Surely he's getting twichy now, just seeing other clubs signing players. Such an important window for us and like usual where standing still.

No-one for him to get twitchy at other than himself. We've sacked nearly everyone else that is involved with transfers!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on July 12, 2015, 09:41:02 PM
Quote from: MarkW on July 12, 2015, 08:42:11 PM
No-one for him to get twitchy at other than himself. We've sacked nearly everyone else that is involved with transfers!

Surely he only identifies the targets and the rest is up to the club to deal with. Every manager and coach we've ever had has been frustrated with our transfer dealings
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 12, 2015, 09:52:07 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on July 12, 2015, 09:41:02 PM
Surely he only identifies the targets and the rest is up to the club to deal with. Every manager and coach we've ever had has been frustrated with our transfer dealings

It seems like Richard Garlick is doing it again in the interim period and he was about as much use as a chocolate fireguard last time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on July 12, 2015, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on July 12, 2015, 09:41:02 PM
Surely he only identifies the targets and the rest is up to the club to deal with. Every manager and coach we've ever had has been frustrated with our transfer dealings

Well we've got rid of our Technical Director and Head of Recruitment. I'd say they're pretty important in negotiations. Garlick will obviously be doing things while TP is in America but Pulis will have an idea how he wants his budget spent, and the upper limits that he is prepared to go to for players.

I'd day this is the first time since Ashworth was appointed that we haven't had a proper technical director role. No club solely allows the manager to do all the dealing because no one man can we focused enough on signings when he has to deal with pre-season, in my view anyway
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on July 12, 2015, 11:23:28 PM
It does not matter who is in charge of the recruitment process,  the player budget is still one of the lowest in the Premier League because the club has one of the lowest incomes in the Premier league, it is also heavily skewed towards wages so every pound we spend on a fee needs to deliver value so just taking the first price a seller comes up with is not part of the process.

Pulis is aware of that and equally he will also be aware where we are with various targets which of course posters on this forum aren't. Posters on this forum are twitchy and therefore assume that Pulis shares their concerns, he might or more likely he knows what he is involved with and views the situation as business as usual, which it is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on July 12, 2015, 11:29:49 PM
Quote from: RedHead_Baggie on July 12, 2015, 09:52:07 PM
It seems like Richard Garlick is doing it again in the interim period and he was about as much use as a chocolate fireguard last time.
I always thought Garlick had a tough time, and although he ultimately wasn't good enough, I felt he was far better than Burton and co in terms of recruitment. Pound for pound his signings were much better and I believe he also spent less money.
Most importantly he bought in Sessegnon who saved us that season as he could turn a game around. Apart from Sessegnon his signings weren't very good, but at least he got one right unlike Burton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on July 13, 2015, 08:41:40 AM
Pulis doesn't mind playing the long game if he knows the money is there to spend. There will people on his list who won't be available until late August when the players parent club have finished their own shopping.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on July 13, 2015, 08:46:41 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on July 13, 2015, 08:41:40 AM
Pulis doesn't mind playing the long game if he knows the money is there to spend. There will people on his list who won't be available until late August when the players parent club have finished their own shopping.

Dont say that mate youll be giving some on here a heart attack  :D.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on July 13, 2015, 09:23:14 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on July 13, 2015, 08:41:40 AM
Pulis doesn't mind playing the long game if he knows the money is there to spend. There will people on his list who won't be available until late August when the players parent club have finished their own shopping.

Panic buying then? :D

It's a bit of a risky strategy though as players may not become available at all or deals fall through at the last minute as he found out here in January. He'd also stated he wanted the baulk of signings made before the pre-season tour.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 13, 2015, 10:26:46 AM
We don't exactly have a track record of signing players, for a fee, from other PL clubs - i.e. Pulis' targets.  I can think of two - Anichebe and Sessegnon (can anyone add to the list?) both deadline day, and neither deemed a success at the moment.  After that I'm scratching my head trying to think of players acquired from other PL clubs, for a fee.  We're currently struggling to sign from newly relegated championship clubs - or one in particular, QPR, where it appears we're failing to sign 3 players at the moment.  Hardly competitive.

We have a long history of not signing high-profile, long running transfer targets.  Somehow, the deal always seems to break down at some point...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on July 13, 2015, 03:39:22 PM
Thing is Pulis has been handed the reins, when it comes to transfers. If that's a good thing remains to be seen. I do recall Stokelad saying when we appointed him that signings often happen late in the window though. Not panicing yet 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2015, 08:23:46 AM
aint it about now hes due to walk
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on July 31, 2015, 08:42:22 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2015, 08:23:46 AM
aint it about now hes due to walk

I doubt if he'd want another walk out on his CV
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 31, 2015, 07:06:35 PM
He's getting his own team together.
Why wouldn't he stay?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Andio on July 31, 2015, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on July 31, 2015, 07:06:35 PM
He's getting his own team together.
Why wouldn't he stay?

I believe WBAinDevon firmly had his tongue in cheek when he made that post.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2015, 11:38:03 AM
so who thinks we are shaping up nicely for the season ahead under Tone?
or are you one of the concerned
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 01, 2015, 01:04:27 PM
TP won't be going anywhere, he was excited about coming here and let it be known while Alan Irvine was still in charge.
He is the manager of a fantastic club full of history and tradition, not like Palace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 05, 2015, 02:23:41 PM
Mark Pougatch ‏@markpougatch 
Live from Bournemouth tonight @bbc5live a PL season preview with Tony Pulis, Harry Redknapp and Steve Claridge. 

Just had a quick look seems the show starts at 7:30. Might be worth tuning in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 05, 2015, 02:43:45 PM
Quote from: addy on August 05, 2015, 02:23:41 PM
Mark Pougatch ‏@markpougatch 
Live from Bournemouth tonight @bbc5live a PL season preview with Tony Pulis, Harry Redknapp and Steve Claridge. 

Just had a quick look seems the show starts at 7:30. Might be worth tuning in.
Only worth listening to when Pulis is speaking. The other two can go f**k themselves  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 03:10:59 PM
Really concerned about this season under pulis, I really think our squad isnt good enough. 

the shape of our team is dreadful, the "football" that will be served up this season will be horrendous.

6 days until our opening fixture and we havent signed anyone of note in the window, other clubs in our mini division have stenthened and we are being left behind. even villa have strenthened IMO, they have spent money and will give it a go.

Tony Pulis will ruin our club, mark my words!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darby009 on August 05, 2015, 03:21:19 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 03:10:59 PM
Really concerned about this season under pulis, I really think our squad isnt good enough. 

the shape of our team is dreadful, the "football" that will be served up this season will be horrendous.

6 days until our opening fixture and we havent signed anyone of note in the window, other clubs in our mini division have stenthened and we are being left behind. even villa have strenthened IMO, they have spent money and will give it a go.

Tony Pulis will ruin our club, mark my words!

Have a word with yourself will you, I can really see how ruined stoke and palace are...and he did such a terrible job from when he came in, I mean how on earth did we beat Man U Chelsea etc with him in charge.

 Pulis has been a successful manager form many years..... And you have been one for ?

Sorry but it is posts like this that make this board a really depressing one... I am sure there are a few season tickets left at the custard bowl if you want to continue sounding like one of them then you are free to join them.

We may not all agree on a style of play but you are never going to please all the fans, be grateful we are where we are in comparison to the late 80's and early 90's when we really were a joke and felt privileged if we spent over 300k on a player.

The season hasn't even started, the transfer window isn't even closed and we are reading stuff like this.... Jeez  :o

I really give up on some of our fans
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 03:34:37 PM
Quote from: darby009 on August 05, 2015, 03:21:19 PM
Have a word with yourself will you, I can really see how ruined stoke and palace are...and he did such a terrible job from when he came in, I mean how on earth did we beat Man U Chelsea etc with him in charge.

 Pulis has been a successful manager form many years..... And you have been one for ?

Sorry but it is posts like this that make this board a really depressing one... I am sure there are a few season tickets left at the custard bowl if you want to continue sounding like one of them then you are free to join them.

We may not all agree on a style of play but you are never going to please all the fans, be grateful we are where we are in comparison to the late 80's and early 90's when we really were a joke and felt privileged if we spent over 300k on a player.

The season hasn't even started, the transfer window isn't even closed and we are reading stuff like this.... Jeez  :o

I really give up on some of our fans

yes he did ruin stoke, they played the most awful football (if you can call it that), he walked out on palace because he didnt get his own way.

yes we beat man utd, but got battered for 90 mins. We beat chelsea because they had won the league, playing for nothing and were on the beach, and plus they had a man sent off.

so you say pulis has been successful......can you show me where?

and because i have a different opinion to you, you resort to the old custard bowl remarks.......

you dont have to tell me about late 80s early 90s because i was there, season ticket and went home and away so dont even go there.

i really give up on some fans who are happy to watch the dross that is served up.

were 6 days away from our season opener, and we couldnt even fill a bench up with players with any experiance all pre season. if youre happy with that then fair enough, but some of us arent!!!!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 05, 2015, 03:36:52 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 03:10:59 PM
Really concerned about this season under pulis, I really think our squad isnt good enough. 

the shape of our team is dreadful, the "football" that will be served up this season will be horrendous.

6 days until our opening fixture and we havent signed anyone of note in the window, other clubs in our mini division have stenthened and we are being left behind. even villa have strenthened IMO, they have spent money and will give it a go.

Tony Pulis will ruin our club, mark my words!
bar the last two bits (i doubt he'll ruin the club, in fact I doubt we'll go anywhere, and other teams have bought players not necessarily strengthening otherwise we'd have been much better the last two seasons) It was kind of a given. Pulis split opinion at Stoke because of the quality of the squad he built & the tactics he used. We knew exactly what we were getting and by jove are we getting it. This has so far been a classic Pulis window. long term want for players and getting pipped  by other teams (remember we did that with Popov when he was at Stoke) paying very large fees for British and Irish players, strengthening the goalkeepers as much as he can and effectively working from the back etc. Don't be surprised if we have a flurry of activity on the final day, as that is what Pulis does, despite saying he wanted it done before preseason.

So, just like in January, the argument is entertainment over results. Pulis won't build a great squad but it will be serviceable and it will get results. I'm not ecstatic about his methods and believe giving him so much control was a mistake as we know exactly what he'll do, and has done, but we have to live with him as he at least does strengthen the chances of survival and our ability to compete in matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 05, 2015, 03:40:16 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 03:34:37 PM
yes he did ruin stoke, they played the most awful football (if you can call it that), he walked out on palace because he didnt get his own way.

yes we beat man utd, but got battered for 90 mins. We beat chelsea because they had won the league, playing for nothing and were on the beach, and plus they had a man sent off.

so you say pulis has been successful......can you show me where?

and because i have a different opinion to you, you resort to the old custard bowl remarks.......

you dont have to tell me about late 80s early 90s because i was there, season ticket and went home and away so dont even go there.

i really give up on some fans who are happy to watch the dross that is served up.

were 6 days away from our season opener, and we couldnt even fill a bench up with players with any experiance all pre season. if youre happy with that then fair enough, but some of us arent!!!!
In some ways I'm quite happy we couldn't fill the bench with experienced pros, as it forces the manager to dip into the academy. Giving them Premier League experience and a chance to shine will be the best way of making additional money for us in the future (a la Southampton) and giving us an advantage of bringing in better prospects over others, long term it could be a good move.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 05, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Villa have brought several, but they have also lost Vlaar, Delph and Benteke from the spine of the side.

Stoke have brought several, but they have lost Begovic, Huth and N,Zonzi from the spine of the side. (Plus a 6 month injury to Shawcross)

Southampton and West Ham have brought several, but they have the Europa League to contend with. Sunday - Thursday - Sunday games are a pain.

Newcastle have a new manager who couldn't get Derby out of the Championship. The club is a mess from top to bottom and a few new signings aren't enough to stop the rot.

Sunderland have an old manager who may not have the energy for a draining 38 game league and cup campaign. Look how knackered Redknapp looked at the end of January and he was the same age. They've made some good signings on paper.

The 3 promoted clubs can go either way. There's a good chance 2 of them will finish in the bottom 3 with the 1 survivor just above.

West Brom have a manager who gained a 45% win rate in half a season. Why would he do a worse job when he's brought in more players to suit the way he wants to play?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 05, 2015, 03:54:04 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 05, 2015, 03:36:52 PM
bar the last two bits (i doubt he'll ruin the club, in fact I doubt we'll go anywhere, and other teams have bought players not necessarily strengthening otherwise we'd have been much better the last two seasons) It was kind of a given. Pulis split opinion at Stoke because of the quality of the squad he built & the tactics he used. We knew exactly what we were getting and by jove are we getting it. This has so far been a classic Pulis window. long term want for players and getting pipped  by other teams (remember we did that with Popov when he was at Stoke) paying very large fees for British and Irish players, strengthening the goalkeepers as much as he can and effectively working from the back etc. Don't be surprised if we have a flurry of activity on the final day, as that is what Pulis does, despite saying he wanted it done before preseason.

So, just like in January, the argument is entertainment over results. Pulis won't build a great squad but it will be serviceable and it will get results. I'm not ecstatic about his methods and believe giving him so much control was a mistake as we know exactly what he'll do, and has done, but we have to live with him as he at least does strengthen the chances of survival and our ability to compete in matches.

Pretty much summed up my feelings mate, no question of relegation as much as there is progression we will be a steady old unit under pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 05, 2015, 03:55:52 PM
Quote from: darby009 on August 05, 2015, 03:21:19 PM
Have a word with yourself will you, I can really see how ruined stoke and palace are...and he did such a terrible job from when he came in, I mean how on earth did we beat Man U Chelsea etc with him in charge.

 Pulis has been a successful manager form many years..... And you have been one for ?

Sorry but it is posts like this that make this board a really depressing one... I am sure there are a few season tickets left at the custard bowl if you want to continue sounding like one of them then you are free to join them.

We may not all agree on a style of play but you are never going to please all the fans, be grateful we are where we are in comparison to the late 80's and early 90's when we really were a joke and felt privileged if we spent over 300k on a player.

The season hasn't even started, the transfer window isn't even closed and we are reading stuff like this.... Jeez  :o

I really give up on some of our fans

Can we cut the telling members to go elsewhere please otherwise your post will be removed. Only reason this wasn't is because someone replied first.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 05, 2015, 03:36:52 PM
bar the last two bits (i doubt he'll ruin the club, in fact I doubt we'll go anywhere, and other teams have bought players not necessarily strengthening otherwise we'd have been much better the last two seasons) It was kind of a given. Pulis split opinion at Stoke because of the quality of the squad he built & the tactics he used. We knew exactly what we were getting and by jove are we getting it. This has so far been a classic Pulis window. long term want for players and getting pipped  by other teams (remember we did that with Popov when he was at Stoke) paying very large fees for British and Irish players, strengthening the goalkeepers as much as he can and effectively working from the back etc. Don't be surprised if we have a flurry of activity on the final day, as that is what Pulis does, despite saying he wanted it done before preseason.

So, just like in January, the argument is entertainment over results. Pulis won't build a great squad but it will be serviceable and it will get results. I'm not ecstatic about his methods and believe giving him so much control was a mistake as we know exactly what he'll do, and has done, but we have to live with him as he at least does strengthen the chances of survival and our ability to compete in matches.

Good post.

Im frustrated that we seem to be being left behind. I know the window isnt closed and business will still be done.

The idea of kids in the matchday squad scares me. Yes they have to start somewhere and its good to give them a go, but if they were good enough for the premier league then they would be in the team and we would be raving about them not just making numbers up. I keep saying it but other teams around us seem to be in a stronger postion than we are currently, on paper anyways.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on August 05, 2015, 04:50:24 PM
Entertainment please, £500 mine plus 2 young adults £600.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: macc_baggie on August 05, 2015, 05:12:15 PM
In terms of staying in the league, this season is the most crucial we've faced due to the impending tv deal that will kick in next year.

Frankly, whilst it is intriguing signing exotic names from abroad who you've probably only heard of through football manager or watching some dubious "compilation video" on youtube, more often than not you're left disappointed.

Examples from the last few seasons: Blanco, Gamboa, Brown (though i'll give him this season to prove himself) etc etc.

I'd rather have us sign solid, experienced players in the mould of Lambert and Chester, particularly for this season. We've had a few awful transfer windows and it will take a while to build our core back properly.

Whilst teams like Villa have spent a lot on a load of new players, it's going to take them a while to adapt the Premier League, and I suspect they may struggle for the first few games. They've lost their best players and it's too early to judge whether the replacements will be up to scratch.

I'm relatively confident in Pulis' methods, at least for this season. If we can get a solid 10th or 11th, I'd like him to think about being slightly more ambitious in the transfer market. But for now, needs must.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: Throstletown on August 05, 2015, 04:50:24 PM
Entertainment please, £500 mine plus 2 young adults £600.

Since the Mowbray attempt entertainment in this division comes in the form of points. Compared to this time last year I'm deliriously happy with Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 05, 2015, 05:21:47 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 05:14:11 PM
Since the Mowbray attempt entertainment in this division comes in the form of points. Compared to this time last year I'm deliriously happy with Albion.

The last two years seems to be what makes fans think of pulis as a top top manager I wonder if he had taken over from Clarke what the opinions would have been, I know it's kind of an irrelevant point but it's something that has crossed my mind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wigmore on August 05, 2015, 05:33:48 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 04:35:35 PM

Im frustrated that we seem to be being left behind. I know the window isnt closed and business will still be done.

The idea of kids in the matchday squad scares me. Yes they have to start somewhere and its good to give them a go, but if they were good enough for the premier league then they would be in the team and we would be raving about them not just making numbers up. I keep saying it but other teams around us seem to be in a stronger postion than we are currently, on paper anyways.
Strange logic.
The fact that Pulis (whom I would never class as a romantic) thinks that Leko et al are good enough to include in preseason preparations, gives me encouragement that he thinks they are worth nurturing. Of course they are not immediate starters, but I fail to see why their  involvement is a source of concern. Throwing young kids into the Greed league without a thorough acclimatisation is a sure way of ruining players.
Have you seen them play?
Maybe you would be raving about them if you knew their abilities.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 05, 2015, 06:18:44 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 05, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Villa have brought several, but they have also lost Vlaar, Delph and Benteke from the spine of the side.

Stoke have brought several, but they have lost Begovic, Huth and N,Zonzi from the spine of the side. (Plus a 6 month injury to Shawcross)

Southampton and West Ham have brought several, but they have the Europa League to contend with. Sunday - Thursday - Sunday games are a pain.

Newcastle have a new manager who couldn't get Derby out of the Championship. The club is a mess from top to bottom and a few new signings aren't enough to stop the rot.

Sunderland have an old manager who may not have the energy for a draining 38 game league and cup campaign. Look how knackered Redknapp looked at the end of January and he was the same age. They've made some good signings on paper.

The 3 promoted clubs can go either way. There's a good chance 2 of them will finish in the bottom 3 with the 1 survivor just above.

West Brom have a manager who gained a 45% win rate in half a season. Why would he do a worse job when he's brought in more players to suit the way he wants to play?
Pulis is good at what he does. We will not go down, there are much worse than us. (I said that last season too 😉) But I also predict there will be more bad days than good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 06:31:27 PM
Quote from: Wigmore on August 05, 2015, 05:33:48 PM
Strange logic.
The fact that Pulis (whom I would never class as a romantic) thinks that Leko et al are good enough to include in preseason preparations, gives me encouragement that he thinks they are worth nurturing. Of course they are not immediate starters, but I fail to see why their  involvement is a source of concern. Throwing young kids into the Greed league without a thorough acclimatisation is a sure way of ruining players.
Have you seen them play?
Maybe you would be raving about them if you knew their abilities.

Ive seen them play up close, in fact on the same pitch 2-3 times.

Leko is a talent no doubt, the logic is pre season is the time to let them have a go, not jist sit on the bench for the last 15 minutes to make the numbers up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on August 05, 2015, 06:57:16 PM
M66 there may be much value in what you say . Having said that I now feel depressed . And we ain't kicked a ball yet .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on August 05, 2015, 07:04:48 PM
Although I am one of pulls' critics... What I will say is, you can't call him negative and not entertaining... He's got two wingers who can beat players like they ain't there... When was the last time we had TWO speedy tricky wingers????? Kilbane and fox to my knowledge!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 07:05:09 PM
Quote from: charliemike on August 05, 2015, 06:57:16 PM
M66 there may be much value in what you say . Having said that I now feel depressed . And we ain't kicked a ball yet .

Sorry pal.

Hope TP proves me wrong but i cant see it.

People on here were saying wait until we get back from USA the signings will roll in. Weve signed Lambert and chester granted but  were still missing players in key positions. Chester played right back last friday, it just says how we are going to set up for the season 4 centre halfs across the back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 07:07:18 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on August 05, 2015, 07:04:48 PM
Although I am one of pulls' critics... What I will say is, you can't call him negative and not entertaining... He's got two wingers who can beat players like they ain't there... When was the last time we had TWO speedy tricky wingers????? Kilbane and fox to my knowledge!

Weve yet to see that in the premier league!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on August 05, 2015, 07:10:40 PM
As was Fletcher one of the best buys of the Premiership last season in terms of impact, I believe that Lambert will prove a great investment this season. McClean, ( forgetting the nonsense) looks hot.

We are in a completely different place then we were last season, a totally different structure and a totally different outlook. For me we are looking like a solid team that others will be very wary of and pull off some shock results. I think we could finish in the top half with some fair wind.

Very happy that we have a leader in charge now who is admired and respected in the game, the right man at the right time for us. It will be a great season for us........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 08:26:38 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 07:05:09 PM
Sorry pal.

Hope TP proves me wrong but i cant see it.

People on here were saying wait until we get back from USA the signings will roll in. Weve signed Lambert and chester granted but  were still missing players in key positions. Chester played right back last friday, it just says how we are going to set up for the season 4 centre halfs across the back.

Just out of interest what are these key positions you think need filling? My take is that the aside from the goalkeeper the 1st eleven is now set and it will take a very high calibre signing to disrupt that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on August 05, 2015, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 08:26:38 PM
Just out of interest what are these key positions you think need filling? My take is that the aside from the goalkeeper the 1st eleven is now set and it will take a very high calibre signing to disrupt that.

Fair comment - we may not have all round pegs for the round holes, however we do have an array of more than competent defenders capable of the task. In an ideal word we would have 2 additional full back specialists, but I think most of us accept that this isn't necessarily the Pulis way. The signings thus far instil me with confidence and we certainly have a stronger starting 11 than last season. We have options in attack and defence all across our midfield - this twinned with prem experience throughout. I'm sure there'll be at least 2 further additions before the deadline, of which I'm confident will improve our effectiveness as a whole. I believe the team is physicaly fitter than for many a year - with organisation and experience, is there any need for panic??!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 05, 2015, 09:05:15 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 08:26:38 PM
Just out of interest what are these key positions you think need filling? My take is that the aside from the goalkeeper the 1st eleven is now set and it will take a very high calibre signing to disrupt that.

Pulis on the radio just, wants new players 'all over', even went on to say the next 3 weeks will have a big reflection on our season or something along them lines. Going to be interesting end of the transfer window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: addy on August 05, 2015, 09:05:15 PM
Pulis on the radio just, wants new players 'all over', even went on to say the next 3 weeks will have a big reflection on our season or something along them lines. Going to be interesting end of the transfer window.

Keeping the existing squad on their toes perhaps, but I don't think he'd be massively concerned if adding Marshall was the end of our business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 05, 2015, 09:12:00 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Keeping the existing squad on their toes perhaps, but I don't think he'd be massively concerned if adding Marshall was the end of our business.

Yes well this time last season we had Irvine and a worst squad. I think he will be happy too, or at least he should be. He may think he can do a bit more though, which I think we can. Assuming the right players come along.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on August 05, 2015, 09:13:37 PM
Correctly or incorrectly I counted a squad of 21 players so we are running short .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 05, 2015, 09:16:33 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Keeping the existing squad on their toes perhaps, but I don't think he'd be massively concerned if adding Marshall was the end of our business.

I think he'd be very disappointed. He's talked about brining players in since he's got here. He was disappointed to bring in only 2 during January. As you say at the moment the first 11 is pretty set. I'd agree with what we currently have however surely this is very unhealthy for us. More competition for places is needed all over the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 05, 2015, 09:16:33 PM
I think he'd be very disappointed. He's talked about brining players in since he's got here. He was disappointed to bring in only 2 during January. As you say at the moment the first 11 is pretty set. I'd agree with what we currently have however surely this is very unhealthy for us. More competition for places is needed all over the pitch.

Agree in part, but Ideye and Anichebe for their faults are competent Premier League strikers so can push Bera and Lambert. I'm no fan of Gardner, but I imagine him and Morrsion and McManaman will be fighting for one spot then there are 3 defensive psotions split between 5 centre backs. Aside from the left hand side where there is cover rather than competition I think we are looking strong, a core of 16 outfield players with Sessegnon, O'Neil, Nabi etc available for the cups.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 09:28:13 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 08:26:38 PM
Just out of interest what are these key positions you think need filling? My take is that the aside from the goalkeeper the 1st eleven is now set and it will take a very high calibre signing to disrupt that.

What is our first 11?

To me round pegs in square holes doesnt cut it at premier league level.

No other team does it so i dont know why we do it.

Time will tell but im not confident this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 09:31:57 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 09:24:46 PM
Agree in part, but Ideye and Anichebe for their faults are competent Premier League strikers so can push Bera and Lambert. I'm no fan of Gardner, but I imagine him and Morrsion and McManaman will be fighting for one spot then there are 3 defensive psotions split between 5 centre backs. Aside from the left hand side where there is cover rather than competition I think we are looking strong, a core of 16 outfield players with Sessegnon, O'Neil, Nabi etc available for the cups.

Ideye and anichebe competant premier league strikers? Anichebe is a tampon, ideye at times last season looked like he couldnt hit a barn door.

Sess should be starting 11 full stop. Oneill we havent seen him or nabi so this is what concerns me having kids filling the bench.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 09:43:07 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 09:31:57 PM
Ideye and anichebe competant premier league strikers? Anichebe is a tampon, ideye at times last season looked like he couldnt hit a barn door.

Sess should be starting 11 full stop. Oneill we havent seen him or nabi so this is what concerns me having kids filling the bench.

Vic has been superb in some games woeful in others but he's a Premier League striker has been his entire career, Ideye is early days but signs are promising for 4th choice striker.

It wouldn't be filled with kids they'll be lucky to make a Premier League bench once the sub keeper is picked.

Quote from: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 09:28:13 PM
What is our first 11?

To me round pegs in square holes doesnt cut it at premier league level.

No other team does it so i dont know why we do it.

Time will tell but im not confident this season.

GK Marshall/Foster

RB Chester (Premier League right back at Hull City)
LB Brunt (International left back with NI)
CB McAuley (Premier League and International centre back)
CB Lescott (Premier League and International centre back)

RM McManaman (Premier League right winger with Wigan)
LM MacClean (Premier League left winger at Sunderland)
CM Yacob or Morrison depending on opposition (Premier League central midfielders)
CM Fletcher (Champions League central midfielder International captain)

CF Berahino (£30 million Prmier League striker)
CF Lambert (Premier League and International striker)

I'm not seeing any square pegs mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 05, 2015, 09:46:04 PM
I'm still expecting Antonio or Phillips to turn up on the doorstep before the end of http://the window
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 10:02:44 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 09:43:07 PM
Vic has been superb in some games woeful in others but he's a Premier League striker has been his entire career, Ideye is early days but signs are promising for 4th choice striker.

It wouldn't be filled with kids they'll be lucky to make a Premier League bench once the sub keeper is picked.

GK Marshall/Foster

RB Chester (Premier League right back at Hull City)
LB Brunt (International left back with NI)
CB McAuley (Premier League and International centre back)
CB Lescott (Premier League and International centre back)

RM McManaman (Premier League right winger with Wigan)
LM MacClean (Premier League left winger at Sunderland)
CM Yacob or Morrison depending on opposition (Premier League central midfielders)
CM Fletcher (Champions League central midfielder International captain)

CF Berahino (£30 million Prmier League striker)
CF Lambert (Premier League and International striker)

I'm not seeing any square pegs mate.

Chester is a centre half mainly who has played right back now and then.

Lescott has played centre half all his life.

Brunt is a left side midfielder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 05, 2015, 10:04:29 PM
The man talks sense and it's easy to see why players put in the graft and effort for him.

Compare him to the nice, but ultimately wet flannel that was Alan Irvine and theres no comparison.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 05, 2015, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 09:43:07 PM
Vic has been superb in some games woeful in others but he's a Premier League striker has been his entire career, Ideye is early days but signs are promising for 4th choice striker.

It wouldn't be filled with kids they'll be lucky to make a Premier League bench once the sub keeper is picked.

GK Marshall/Foster

RB Chester (Premier League right back at Hull City)
LB Brunt (International left back with NI)
CB McAuley (Premier League and International centre back)
CB Lescott (Premier League and International centre back)

RM McManaman (Premier League right winger with Wigan)
LM MacClean (Premier League left winger at Sunderland)
CM Yacob or Morrison depending on opposition (Premier League central midfielders)
CM Fletcher (Champions League central midfielder International captain)

CF Berahino (£30 million Prmier League striker)
CF Lambert (Premier League and International striker)

I'm not seeing any square pegs mate.

It's a average squad of players whichever way you choose to dress it up. What do you realistically expect the likes of Macmanaman and Maclean to do at this level other than just make up the numbers?

One injury to anyone and you have dross like Gardner back in the team again.

Championship players represent Scotland and Ireland so not sure if that has any relevance to anything either.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 05, 2015, 10:08:54 PM
This is how I see the current squad.

Goalkeepers
Obvious we will sign another

Defenders
Assume Poco and Gamboa are toast it leaves us with no recognised full backs at the club. Brunt may do a job at LB but what if he is required at LM? Does Lescott get moved out of position to cover? Dawson at RB is OK nothing more. It will be interesting to see where Chester is to play.

Central Midfield
Fletcher and Yacob pretty nailed on in the centre with Morrison or Gardner as cover. Not a lot of creativity in there and our ball retention last season in midfield was abysmal.

Wingers
Mcmanaman and McLean very much untried at this level. I can see them being very inconsistent and in and out of the side through injury / form. Gardner at RM is just painful to watch and Morrison out there is not his best position.

Forwards
Berahino and Lambert are a quality pairing. Ideye doesn't look cut out for the Prem for me and Anichebe is just a waste of a squad place.

This is what I'd like to see

A genuine LB and LW as Brunt and McLean won't be available or on form for a full season. (Antonio) Signing Sako was a no brainer on a free for me.
A RW to add competition for Mcmanaman. (Phillips)
A quality CM who can open teams up and can actually pass a ball. (Cabeye would have been ideal)
Another forward for competition for Bera and Lambert. (Austin (wishful))

Gamboa, Poco, Sess to leave with hopefully Ideye or Anichebe
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 10:11:30 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 05, 2015, 10:08:54 PM
This is how I see the current squad.

Goalkeepers
Obvious we will sign another

Defenders
Assume Poco and Gamboa are toast it leaves us with no recognised full backs at the club. Brunt may do a job at LB but what if he is required at LM? Does Lescott get moved out of position to cover? Dawson at RB is OK nothing more. It will be interesting to see where Chester is to play.

Central Midfield
Fletcher and Yacob pretty nailed on in the centre with Morrison or Gardner as cover. Not a lot of creativity in there and our ball retention last season in midfield was abysmal.

Wingers
Mcmanaman and McLean very much untried at this level. I can see them being very inconsistent and in and out of the side through injury / form. Gardner at RM is just painful to watch and Morrison out there is not his best position.

Forwards
Berahino and Lambert are a quality pairing. Ideye doesn't look cut out for the Prem for me and Anichebe is just a waste of a squad place.

This is what I'd like to see

A genuine LB and LW as Brunt and McLean won't be available or on form for a full season. (Antonio) Signing Sako was a no brainer on a free for me.
A RW to add competition for Mcmanaman. (Phillips)
A quality CM who can open teams up and can actually pass a ball. (Cabeye would have been ideal)
Another forward for competition for Bera and Lambert. (Austin (wishful))

Gamboa, Poco, Sess to leave with hopefully Ideye or Anichebe

Great posting wappa.

My thoughts down to a tee.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on August 05, 2015, 10:25:27 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 05, 2015, 10:08:54 PM
This is how I see the current squad.

Goalkeepers
Obvious we will sign another

Defenders
Assume Poco and Gamboa are toast it leaves us with no recognised full backs at the club. Brunt may do a job at LB but what if he is required at LM? Does Lescott get moved out of position to cover? Dawson at RB is OK nothing more. It will be interesting to see where Chester is to play.

Central Midfield
Fletcher and Yacob pretty nailed on in the centre with Morrison or Gardner as cover. Not a lot of creativity in there and our ball retention last season in midfield was abysmal.

Wingers
Mcmanaman and McLean very much untried at this level. I can see them being very inconsistent and in and out of the side through injury / form. Gardner at RM is just painful to watch and Morrison out there is not his best position.

Forwards
Berahino and Lambert are a quality pairing. Ideye doesn't look cut out for the Prem for me and Anichebe is just a waste of a squad place.

This is what I'd like to see

A genuine LB and LW as Brunt and McLean won't be available or on form for a full season. (Antonio) Signing Sako was a no brainer on a free for me.
A RW to add competition for Mcmanaman. (Phillips)
A quality CM who can open teams up and can actually pass a ball. (Cabeye would have been ideal)
Another forward for competition for Bera and Lambert. (Austin (wishful))

Gamboa, Poco, Sess to leave with hopefully Ideye or Anichebe

That post to be fair fella, is about as good as it gets.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 05, 2015, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 08:26:38 PM
Just out of interest what are these key positions you think need filling? My take is that the aside from the goalkeeper the 1st eleven is now set and it will take a very high calibre signing to disrupt that.

 you don't think we need another winger ? Hoping we get this one right might be the difference between few places.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 05, 2015, 10:31:29 PM
I really despair sometimes, we achieved 13th last season with a lesser squad, what do expect, we have potentially the best forward line outside of the top 5, yes, the midfield is average as is the defence, but average is okay.

We will have a decent season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 05, 2015, 10:32:09 PM
Pulis is the reason why most of us are confident of staying in this league, why the pundits aren't predicting us to go down. To finish 13th last season was fantastic and Pulis deserves a lot of credit for turning our season around. There were some awful displays from us last season but there were some great performances. Beating the Champions 3-0, West Ham 4-0 in the cup, Swansea and Saints at home. I suspect that our away performances will be a bit dull with the odd result and we'll see some great home performances which I would take all day. I look at Stoke and Palace and think would they be in the position they are now without Pulis? The man is a fantastic manager whatever you think of how he achieves the results he does, we are extremely lucky to have him as staying in the Premier League at the moment is absolutely massive and we've got the best man to achieve this job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies on August 05, 2015, 10:36:33 PM
He is the short term option manager at this stage. I know that sounds harsh, but the only reason I can see for Peace hiring him and surrendering what he had tried to develop over a 12 year period was that he decided that, with his time here drawing to a close, he would go for the sure fire safety bet of hiring Pulis to ensure we stay in the premier league until the sale of the club in complete.

Pulis does things in a very old fashioned way and in years to come English football will involve on from his style, but at this stage it still works, as proven by his unbelievable record and ability to keep teams from relegation (I still don't think anyone else would have kept Palace in the premier league 2 seasons ago).

I hope however he is only a short term fix and that the new owners look to a more forward thinking approach after he eventually leaves.

I don't like his reluctance to sign footballers from abroad, his liking for playing centre halves where wing backs should be (not looking like changing if the pre season is anything to go by) and his "one man rules all" approach to management where he runs the scouting system, runs the training sessions, runs the fitness side of things and everything else in between.

With him here it is hard to see us going down, solely because he gets the basics right, organises and seems to know the way to get the points to stay in the division, but it does feel like we are just surviving by having Pulis in charge and not enjoying classic years like Swansea, Southampton and Stoke are all currently enjoying.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 10:43:03 PM
The blokes a dinosaur.

Football has moved on since the early 00's.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 05, 2015, 10:44:40 PM
Comparisons with Stoke and Southampton are misplaced, both have wealthy owners, we don't, that leaves Swansea who have done very well for the last few seasons and who are out performing us, but, we have still been in the Premier League longer than them. Be grateful for what you have rather than long for what you don't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 10:58:06 PM
Few points  McManaman and McClean aren't untested in fact McManaman was man of the match in the FA Cup final and McClean has had far more PL experience and success than for example Matt Phillips.

Another winger? That would be Brunt top assists for the last however many seasons.

Swansea have received nearly FIFTY million from the sale of 2 players.  They won't be far ahead of us this season if at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 05, 2015, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 10:58:06 PM
Few points  McManaman and McClean aren't untested in fact McManaman was man of the match in the FA Cup final and McClean has had far more PL experience and success than for example Matt Phillips.

Another winger? That would be Brunt top assists for the last however many seasons.

Swansea have received nearly FIFTY million from the sale of 2 players.  They won't be far ahead of us this season if at all.

If he takes as many set-pieces as last season then his assists will be around the same. He does not create the assists from outfield play enough and hasn't done for a long time.

Another winger to add to the two we have would be ideal and leave Brunt to stay at left back where despite the complaints from some he does an excellent job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2015, 11:12:42 PM
I think there are a couple of points that need to be understood about Pulisball that seem to have escaped peoples notice.

1. Full Backs

After 6 years at Stoke during which time he was heavily bankrolled by the Coates family (so resources were generally not an issue) the Stoke squad did not have a single specialist full back. Does that not tell you something about his preferences? He might not sign any full backs this window if he is not happy with his defensive options he will go and get another Centre Back.

2. Rotation.

Pulis does not do it generally and in particular once the back four is settled he won't change it unless he is forced to. Being the third choice anything in a Pulis squad is the definition of being surplus to requirements.


There are a few other points I think I should make although they are not strictly about TP. Both McClean and McMannaman have more Premier League experience than Phillips so he is as likely to be in and out as either of the current two. If Phillips is bought in at anything close to the asking price he is a replacement for McMannaman not competition so needs to be a significant upgrade on him.

The for sale list that many fans seem to have is quite likely to be Tp's but I don't think you can assume that there are a long line of clubs waiting to take them off our hands and as such until they do leave I don't think TP will get everything on his shopping list and I will give him credit for understanding that in a way that some fans can't. I therefore do not expect a Palace style exit.

Ultimately I don't expect Pulis to be here for more than a couple of seasons. The takeover hasn't gone away and I suspect that he could easily move on if and when new ownership arrives at the club.   

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 05, 2015, 11:20:12 PM
I am sure he will play Ideye.
He will find something which will show through.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chrisabbey on August 06, 2015, 12:38:12 AM
I have joined this forum simply to reply to this topic. The utter tripe I'm reading regards Tony pulis is quite frankly ridiculous! What the hell are people moaning about??

After 7/8 short months in charge he is being lambasted for turning us from relegation certainties to mid table security with some memorable victories along the way (Chelsea,man Utd,West ham,soton,Stoke,Swansea) fair enough there was some bumps in the road (villa x2,Leicester,qpr) but that will always be the case won't it?

The way folks are carrying on you would think pulis had just taken over from big Ron after the 1979 season and turned Regis,Cunningham,Robson,bomber,Willie et al into Wimbledon's crazy gang!! No,the truth is he as taken over from Alan Irvine who is very good at coaching under15's but unfortunately a complete none entity has a football manager, who's squad by the way was not only weak and unbalanced it was also completely unfit!!

People keep banging on and on about style of play,well what fantastic style of football have you lot been watching for the past 2 years??please enlighten me?? We've had Steve Clarke who completely lost the plot and only managed 6/7 wins in an entire calendar year,then we had 6 weeks of dingle downing and kiely as caretakers,after that we had pepe Mel who couldn't speak a word of English,then for me the crowning turd in the water pipe Alan Irvine who resembled a man running a youth club at the ymca!!

This bloke is respected all over the country by his fellow professionals,so for me a manager who get his team fit,organised and difficult to play against plus gets defenders to head,block and tackle is just what the doctor ordered!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 06, 2015, 07:23:11 AM
Quote from: chrisabbey on August 06, 2015, 12:38:12 AM
I have joined this forum simply to reply to this topic. The utter tripe I'm reading regards Tony pulis is quite frankly ridiculous! What the hell are people moaning about??

After 7/8 short months in charge he is being lambasted for turning us from relegation certainties to mid table security with some memorable victories along the way (Chelsea,man Utd,West ham,soton,Stoke,Swansea) fair enough there was some bumps in the road (villa x2,Leicester,qpr) but that will always be the case won't it?

The way folks are carrying on you would think pulis had just taken over from big Ron after the 1979 season and turned Regis,Cunningham,Robson,bomber,Willie et al into Wimbledon's crazy gang!! No,the truth is he as taken over from Alan Irvine who is very good at coaching under15's but unfortunately a complete none entity has a football manager, who's squad by the way was not only weak and unbalanced it was also completely unfit!!

People keep banging on and on about style of play,well what fantastic style of football have you lot been watching for the past 2 years??please enlighten me?? We've had Steve Clarke who completely lost the plot and only managed 6/7 wins in an entire calendar year,then we had 6 weeks of dingle downing and kiely as caretakers,after that we had pepe Mel who couldn't speak a word of English,then for me the crowning turd in the water pipe Alan Irvine who resembled a man running a youth club at the ymca!!

This bloke is respected all over the country by his fellow professionals,so for me a manager who get his team fit,organised and difficult to play against plus gets defenders to head,block and tackle is just what the doctor ordered!!!


Well said.. Top post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on August 06, 2015, 07:23:38 AM
Quote from: chrisabbey on August 06, 2015, 12:38:12 AM
I have joined this forum simply to reply to this topic. The utter tripe I'm reading regards Tony pulis is quite frankly ridiculous! What the hell are people moaning about??

After 7/8 short months in charge he is being lambasted for turning us from relegation certainties to mid table security with some memorable victories along the way (Chelsea,man Utd,West ham,soton,Stoke,Swansea) fair enough there was some bumps in the road (villa x2,Leicester,qpr) but that will always be the case won't it?

The way folks are carrying on you would think pulis had just taken over from big Ron after the 1979 season and turned Regis,Cunningham,Robson,bomber,Willie et al into Wimbledon's crazy gang!! No,the truth is he as taken over from Alan Irvine who is very good at coaching under15's but unfortunately a complete none entity has a football manager, who's squad by the way was not only weak and unbalanced it was also completely unfit!!

People keep banging on and on about style of play,well what fantastic style of football have you lot been watching for the past 2 years??please enlighten me?? We've had Steve Clarke who completely lost the plot and only managed 6/7 wins in an entire calendar year,then we had 6 weeks of dingle downing and kiely as caretakers,after that we had pepe Mel who couldn't speak a word of English,then for me the crowning turd in the water pipe Alan Irvine who resembled a man running a youth club at the ymca!!

This bloke is respected all over the country by his fellow professionals,so for me a manager who get his team fit,organised and difficult to play against plus gets defenders to head,block and tackle is just what the doctor ordered!!!

Great post! We would be in the championship without Pulis, what more can I say!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 06, 2015, 08:01:58 AM
It is a belief we would have been in the Championship, rightly or wrongly, not a fact.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 06, 2015, 08:09:04 AM
People seem happy to finish between 12th and 17th. Unbelievable.

No cup runs just doing enough to stay in the division to get all that money and not spend a bit of it to give it a go for a push into the top half of the table and who knows....maybe even pinch a europa spot.

I much prefered it when we were up and down, least we had summat to look forward to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 06, 2015, 08:10:31 AM
For 'belief' please insert 'cast iron certainty'  imho!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on August 06, 2015, 08:15:23 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 06, 2015, 08:09:04 AM
People seem happy to finish between 12th and 17th. Unbelievable.

No cup runs just doing enough to stay in the division to get all that money and not spend a bit of it to give it a go for a push into the top half of the table and who knows....maybe even pinch a europa spot.

I much prefered it when we were up and down, least we had summat to look forward to.

I agree. Has anyone else been bored senseless watching us during the last couple of seasons? We really need a couple of exciting players in to lift bums off seats.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 06, 2015, 08:16:12 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 10:58:06 PM
Few points  McManaman and McClean aren't untested in fact McManaman was man of the match in the FA Cup final and McClean has had far more PL experience and success than for example Matt Phillips.

Another winger? That would be Brunt top assists for the last however many seasons.

Swansea have received nearly FIFTY million from the sale of 2 players.  They won't be far ahead of us this season if at all.

Mcmanaman has played only 36 games at PL level. He's only remembered for that cup final. He has potential granted but anyone expecting him to be good week in week out will be disappointed IMO. I think the same could be said for most wingers. McLean has 59 Prem games but then sold to the Championship which tells you something. Phillips has 52 apps at PL level.

Who do you suggest plays LB when Brunt is on the wing?

Swansea have bought well and nurtured players which have some real value. Other than Berahino we have no one worth more than £8m.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2015, 08:42:43 AM
All i can say about this bloke really is i feel in safe hands
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on August 06, 2015, 08:45:37 AM
Quote from: chrisabbey on August 06, 2015, 12:38:12 AM
I have joined this forum simply to reply to this topic. The utter tripe I'm reading regards Tony pulis is quite frankly ridiculous! What the hell are people moaning about??

After 7/8 short months in charge he is being lambasted for turning us from relegation certainties to mid table security with some memorable victories along the way (Chelsea,man Utd,West ham,soton,Stoke,Swansea) fair enough there was some bumps in the road (villa x2,Leicester,qpr) but that will always be the case won't it?

The way folks are carrying on you would think pulis had just taken over from big Ron after the 1979 season and turned Regis,Cunningham,Robson,bomber,Willie et al into Wimbledon's crazy gang!! No,the truth is he as taken over from Alan Irvine who is very good at coaching under15's but unfortunately a complete none entity has a football manager, who's squad by the way was not only weak and unbalanced it was also completely unfit!!

People keep banging on and on about style of play,well what fantastic style of football have you lot been watching for the past 2 years??please enlighten me?? We've had Steve Clarke who completely lost the plot and only managed 6/7 wins in an entire calendar year,then we had 6 weeks of dingle downing and kiely as caretakers,after that we had pepe Mel who couldn't speak a word of English,then for me the crowning turd in the water pipe Alan Irvine who resembled a man running a youth club at the ymca!!

This bloke is respected all over the country by his fellow professionals,so for me a manager who get his team fit,organised and difficult to play against plus gets defenders to head,block and tackle is just what the doctor ordered!!!


Bang on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 06, 2015, 10:54:04 AM
The pure footballing sides of the sixties and seventies were us, Spurs,Man U and West Ham, all of these played progressive attacking football and scored and conceded lot's of goals.
All of us are still in the top flight, but all have become more dour to watch as the game has changed. All get their defences right first, even Man U aren't as exciting as they were a couple of decades ago.
To survive in this league,never mind win things,you make sure you don't lose, that's the first priority.

Pulis is not stupid, he know's we can't go out and entertain at the cost of shipping goals. Mowbray was very naive, i loved his philosophy but he was way way out of his depth in this division. I took my username from his style of play.

Pulis has always managed average to poor sides, and always turned them into difficult opponents with whatever tools he has available. He play's to his players limitations and strengths.

The time to criticise his methods would be if he took over a Man City or Chelsea and went route 1.

Lay off TP, the best we have had here for a long time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on August 06, 2015, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: chrisabbey on August 06, 2015, 12:38:12 AM
I have joined this forum simply to reply to this topic. The utter tripe I'm reading regards Tony pulis is quite frankly ridiculous! What the hell are people moaning about??

After 7/8 short months in charge he is being lambasted for turning us from relegation certainties to mid table security with some memorable victories along the way (Chelsea,man Utd,West ham,soton,Stoke,Swansea) fair enough there was some bumps in the road (villa x2,Leicester,qpr) but that will always be the case won't it?

The way folks are carrying on you would think pulis had just taken over from big Ron after the 1979 season and turned Regis,Cunningham,Robson,bomber,Willie et al into Wimbledon's crazy gang!! No,the truth is he as taken over from Alan Irvine who is very good at coaching under15's but unfortunately a complete none entity has a football manager, who's squad by the way was not only weak and unbalanced it was also completely unfit!!

People keep banging on and on about style of play,well what fantastic style of football have you lot been watching for the past 2 years??please enlighten me?? We've had Steve Clarke who completely lost the plot and only managed 6/7 wins in an entire calendar year,then we had 6 weeks of dingle downing and kiely as caretakers,after that we had pepe Mel who couldn't speak a word of English,then for me the crowning turd in the water pipe Alan Irvine who resembled a man running a youth club at the ymca!!

This bloke is respected all over the country by his fellow professionals,so for me a manager who get his team fit,organised and difficult to play against plus gets defenders to head,block and tackle is just what the doctor ordered!!!

Give this man a pint - great post, with some very much need perspective!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2015, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: divinewind on August 06, 2015, 10:54:04 AM
Mowbray was very naive, i loved his philosophy but he was way way out of his depth in this division. I took my username from his style of play.

Tora Tora Tora, but with 'lovely soft feet'.
It'd be like passing/kicking the oppositon to death with slipper's.
 :) ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 06, 2015, 11:25:28 AM
I am an old time Baggie and i like most loved the heritage of our footballing methods.I can fully understand why so many people are against the way we play now. It's not the Albion way.

But when i hear people say they would sooner be involved in relegations and promotions then frankly they are talking out of their backside.
We need to stay in this division to keep growing as a club, we are among the 40 richest clubs on the planet.
Big clubs like Leeds, Forest, Wednesday etc, would sell their souls in a heartbeat to change places with us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 06, 2015, 12:35:13 PM
Quote from: chrisabbey on August 06, 2015, 12:38:12 AM
I have joined this forum simply to reply to this topic. The utter tripe I'm reading regards Tony pulis is quite frankly ridiculous! What the hell are people moaning about??

After 7/8 short months in charge he is being lambasted for turning us from relegation certainties to mid table security with some memorable victories along the way (Chelsea,man Utd,West ham,soton,Stoke,Swansea) fair enough there was some bumps in the road (villa x2,Leicester,qpr) but that will always be the case won't it?

The way folks are carrying on you would think pulis had just taken over from big Ron after the 1979 season and turned Regis,Cunningham,Robson,bomber,Willie et al into Wimbledon's crazy gang!! No,the truth is he as taken over from Alan Irvine who is very good at coaching under15's but unfortunately a complete none entity has a football manager, who's squad by the way was not only weak and unbalanced it was also completely unfit!!

People keep banging on and on about style of play,well what fantastic style of football have you lot been watching for the past 2 years??please enlighten me?? We've had Steve Clarke who completely lost the plot and only managed 6/7 wins in an entire calendar year,then we had 6 weeks of dingle downing and kiely as caretakers,after that we had pepe Mel who couldn't speak a word of English,then for me the crowning turd in the water pipe Alan Irvine who resembled a man running a youth club at the ymca!!

This bloke is respected all over the country by his fellow professionals,so for me a manager who get his team fit,organised and difficult to play against plus gets defenders to head,block and tackle is just what the doctor ordered!!!
You obviously don't travel away.I live in the North and travel all over when I can Everton,Sunderland and Man City away under pulis were utter dross from the off. The bloke is a dinosaur in his approach to football especially away from home.So I think if he is here a long time the first thing to drop off will be the away support which i believe is what happened at Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on August 06, 2015, 01:17:09 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on August 06, 2015, 12:35:13 PM
You obviously don't travel away.I live in the North and travel all over when I can Everton,Sunderland and Man City away under pulis were utter dross from the off. The bloke is a dinosaur in his approach to football especially away from home.So I think if he is here a long time the first thing to drop off will be the away support which i believe is what happened at Stoke.

I can see your point, especially if you travel away as we have had some poor performances away from home and a couple of games (Villa and Newcastle) we should've gone for jugular as I think we would've won both of those games given the tension from home fans.

Having said that, he really has stabilised us in a short space of time and kept us up where others (Alan Irvine for one) wouldn't have. It's all well and good saying he is a dinosaur but what do you expect, Carlo Ancelotti, superstars and attacking football with majority wins along the way? We do need to be ambitious (something some posters on here do seem to lack) but realistic at the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 06, 2015, 01:28:24 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2015, 08:42:43 AM
All i can say about this bloke really is i feel in safe hands

Best way to describe it I think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on August 06, 2015, 02:32:26 PM
Pulis is good at what he does. I dont like it one bit and despise the type of football he plays. This season is so important we stay up due to the financial increase next year. I will reserve judgement for this season now he has chance to build a Pulis team. . . Dont like him or his tactics but willing to see How it goes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 06, 2015, 02:41:25 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 10:43:03 PM
The blokes a dinosaur.

Football has moved on since the early 00's.

I'd rather have a 'dinosaur' who motivates, organises and demands 100%, than 'one of the best coaches in the game' like Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on August 06, 2015, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 06, 2015, 02:41:25 PM
I'd rather have a 'dinosaur' who motivates, organises and demands 100%, than 'one of the best coaches in the game' like Alan Irvine.
i find that hard to disagree with!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 06, 2015, 04:38:37 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 06, 2015, 08:09:04 AM
People seem happy to finish between 12th and 17th. Unbelievable.

No cup runs just doing enough to stay in the division to get all that money and not spend a bit of it to give it a go for a push into the top half of the table and who knows....maybe even pinch a europa spot.

I much prefered it when we were up and down, least we had summat to look forward to.

I really don't get where you are coming from, what with this and the anti McClean venom, I just support the club and team, I'm delighted we have another season at the top table and I think it will be a decent one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on August 06, 2015, 04:40:46 PM
Totally agree we have a better squad . Organised and committed .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 06, 2015, 04:47:13 PM
We are stronger than last year playing wise definitely, and we also have a manager who will see other teams weaknesses and play to our strengths.
How many times did we outplay Stoke only to be beaten at the death?

I think TP will also make a few more signings before the end of the month.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 06, 2015, 06:26:50 PM
Stronger playing squad than last season and a manager that likes the cups..or certainly the FA Cup. I don't really get the negativity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wigmore on August 06, 2015, 08:57:32 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 06, 2015, 08:09:04 AM
People seem happy to finish between 12th and 17th. Unbelievable.

No cup runs just doing enough to stay in the division to get all that money and not spend a bit of it to give it a go for a push into the top half of the table and who knows....maybe even pinch a europa spot.

I much prefered it when we were up and down, least we had summat to look forward to.

And just how many of the 72 would want to be in Albion's position??
I despair at the arrogance of people who consider that 12th in the hardest league in the world is some sort of failure.
"get all that money and not spend a bit of it for a push..." Did I dream that WBA has one of the highest percentage income/wage expenditures? JP (whilst trying to trouser millions from the sale) acknowledges he does not have the funds to gamble on the dreaded 'next level'
And how you could see relegation as more acceptable to our current position (of relative strength) baffles me.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 06, 2015, 09:37:41 PM
Quote from: AshD on August 06, 2015, 10:58:18 AM
Give this man a pint - great post, with some very much need perspective!
I would buy the bloke's beer all week! Common sense and down to Earth Baggie.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on August 06, 2015, 09:57:56 PM
This is the 1st season for many many years when I am not fearing relegation . Everything that we do is on merit . We have a good manager who will organise the squad to their best abilities . All being well we should be ok . And we haven't been able to say that for a while . Cmon you baggies .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 06, 2015, 10:19:39 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 06, 2015, 02:41:25 PM
I'd rather have a 'dinosaur' who motivates, organises and demands 100%, than 'one of the best coaches in the game' like Alan Irvine.

Irvine is a 'dinosaur' too, never mind what marketing label he was slapped with. Sadly for him he just wasn't as good as our current one. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 06, 2015, 10:30:14 PM
Quote from: charliemike on August 06, 2015, 09:57:56 PM
This is the 1st season for many many years when I am not fearing relegation . Everything that we do is on merit . We have a good manager who will organise the squad to their best abilities . All being well we should be ok . And we haven't been able to say that for a while . Cmon you baggies .

I disagree. It has been a number of seasons now where our squad has been good enough in a weak league. The problem has been very poor coaching/management which has put us in danger of relegation. We now, obviously, have a reasonable coach. The downside is that he is simply boring as hell much of the time.

I do enjoy the obvious professionality and competence of TP but I don't enjoy the utter predictability and one dimensionality of his approach. For this reason a club like us is TP's max level. Nothing wrong with that. We should be fine this season but the problem for me is the excitement level is similar to watching the tea kettle boil water. You know what you will get... EVERY... SINGLE... TIME...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lindenbaggie on August 06, 2015, 11:38:14 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 06, 2015, 06:26:50 PM
Stronger playing squad than last season and a manager that likes the cups..or certainly the FA Cup. I don't really get the negativity.

Nor me. I look at Blues, Wolves, Derby, Notts F, Leeds, Sheff W and Midd'boro. Potentially as big or bigger than us, but we've consistently out-performed all of them for years. We're in a good place, let's enjoy it for as long as we can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 07, 2015, 06:52:24 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 06, 2015, 06:26:50 PM
Stronger playing squad than last season and a manager that likes the cups..or certainly the FA Cup. I don't really get the negativity.
Aston Villa?  >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 07, 2015, 07:04:48 AM
Negative with no plan B used to be an argument against a previous coach but is far more appropriate for Tony Pulis.  However,  his negativity and approach has achieved better results but when Plan A fails it is absolutely desperate (QPR and Leicester at home were possibly the worst results all season) and sometimes even when it works it is awful (Everton and Sunderland away) but arguably it also brought us the best result of the season (Man U away).
Gets results but can be god awful to watch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 07, 2015, 07:56:34 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 06, 2015, 04:38:37 PM
I really don't get where you are coming from, what with this and the anti McClean venom, I just support the club and team, I'm delighted we have another season at the top table and I think it will be a decent one.

Too many people are like you pearl "just support the club" like sheep following the shepherd no matter what.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 07, 2015, 07:58:08 AM
Quote from: Wigmore on August 06, 2015, 08:57:32 PM
And just how many of the 72 would want to be in Albion's position??
I despair at the arrogance of people who consider that 12th in the hardest league in the world is some sort of failure.
"get all that money and not spend a bit of it for a push..." Did I dream that WBA has one of the highest percentage income/wage expenditures? JP (whilst trying to trouser millions from the sale) acknowledges he does not have the funds to gamble on the dreaded 'next level'
And how you could see relegation as more acceptable to our current position (of relative strength) baffles me.

Do you really believe we cant spend a bit more money? With all the tv money plus extras JP still says he doesnt have the funds to gamble. Bull5hit

And plus this aint about JP this is about Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 07, 2015, 08:16:09 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 07, 2015, 07:56:34 AM
Too many people are like you pearl "just support the club" like sheep following the shepherd no matter what.

What else can we do ? It's not like we can change anything, sixth consecutive season in the prem we have progressed without question problem is this is where the buck stops unless some rich carnt takes us over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on August 07, 2015, 08:18:03 AM
Quote from: GrGr on August 06, 2015, 10:30:14 PM
I disagree. It has been a number of seasons now where our squad has been good enough in a weak league. The problem has been very poor coaching/management which has put us in danger of relegation. We now, obviously, have a reasonable coach. The downside is that he is simply boring as hell much of the time.

I do enjoy the obvious professionality and competence of TP but I don't enjoy the utter predictability and one dimensionality of his approach. For this reason a club like us is TP's max level. Nothing wrong with that. We should be fine this season but the problem for me is the excitement level is similar to watching the tea kettle boil water. You know what you will get... EVERY... SINGLE... TIME...

I agree with you. I posted earlier in this thread to ask if anyone else has been as bored senseless as me up the hawthorns recently. Although I have to temper that by saying how pleased I am with the latest signings, and the possible addition of Gnabry. We desperately need some excitement/entertainment IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on August 07, 2015, 08:47:55 AM
M666EYS.....I think its fair to say you aren't a TP fan.

I can see waht your saying, i am not a huge fan of him to be honest and i do struggle watching his style of football. However we as a club wont get anyone better than him, his experience and knowledge at PL Level is second to none and he is highly respected by every manager in England.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 07, 2015, 08:49:54 AM
He has never finished a season below 14th place in the prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 08:53:39 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 07, 2015, 07:56:34 AM
Too many people are like you pearl "just support the club" like sheep following the shepherd no matter what.

Or to many people have a fair and balanced opinion about the club rather than some fantasy we going to be signing Messi next week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on August 07, 2015, 09:03:26 AM
It was boring/awful to watch under TP at times last season but he had to set up a team the way he wanted with the players at his disposal.  He has brought in a fair bit of creativity so far; so I'll reserve judgement until we've played a few games this season with his own players in the team.  One thing you can't argue with under TP is that we are  a lot more difficult to beat.  Similar to under Megson/Hodgson if we score first I feel fairly confident that we can hold out as opposed to the days under Mowbray/Di Matteo where I never felt safe even if 3 nil up with 2 mins to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 07, 2015, 09:14:50 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 07, 2015, 08:49:54 AM
He has never finished a season below 14th place in the prem.
Neither have I (nor Alan Irvine)  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on August 07, 2015, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 07, 2015, 06:52:24 AM
Aston Villa?  >:(

Is this going to be the stick that everyone permanently beats him with??? He got it wrong...I imagine every manager in existence has got his tactics wrong at some point or another!

I'd rather watch an Albion team fight and battle for points, than the team we have watched the last couple of years that rolls over with no backbone!

I could understand some of the criticism of Pulis' style if we had been blessed with watching great football in recent times - we haven't!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 07, 2015, 10:11:06 AM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 08:53:39 AM
Or to many people have a fair and balanced opinion about the club rather than some fantasy we going to be signing Messi next week.

Im not askng to sign messi, nothing of the sorts.

Im asking for the football that we play not to be tripe. Chelsea west ham in fa cup were the standout games last season where we actually played football.

Games like the 2 villa games, everton away were utter garbage and a disgrace to the travelling support.

Setting up with 4 central defenders at the back says all what you need to know abou TP. Stay in the premier league and his job is done. He aint bothered about anything else then everyone else can say how fantastic he is because we aint gone down again.

I agree he is a stable manager who will keep us up year in year out but is that all we are now? Are people happy just to finish between 10th and 16th every season no cup runs no excitement in how we play because i sure aint happy to pay top prices to watch it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 07, 2015, 10:15:13 AM
10th to 12th spot would be very good mate I personally think will finish outside of that but not by much.

TP said he fancies himself to guide a team into the top 10 I'm not sure it's in he's make up personally, Hes art is survival and when taking teams on mid season it usually goes better than when he has a full season to work with.

We will be alright this club could easily have been in the championship last season or this season at least we have some stability.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2015, 10:19:24 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 07, 2015, 10:11:06 AM
Im not askng to sign messi, nothing of the sorts.

Im asking for the football that we play not to be tripe. Chelsea west ham in fa cup were the standout games last season where we actually played football.

Games like the 2 villa games, everton away were utter garbage and a disgrace to the travelling support.

Setting up with 4 central defenders at the back says all what you need to know abou TP. Stay in the premier league and his job is done. He aint bothered about anything else then everyone else can say how fantastic he is because we aint gone down again.

I agree he is a stable manager who will keep us up year in year out but is that all we are now? Are people happy just to finish between 10th and 16th every season no cup runs no excitement in how we play because i sure aint happy to pay top prices to watch it.

I'm not being flippant here, I am genuinely interested to know what people think constitutes a cup run?
Do you have to reach a semi-final, a final or are 5th/ 6th rounds "good enough" to be cup runs.

for me anything beyond 5th round is a run, as we have made the last 16, which is about where we currently rank on the football ladder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 10:24:00 AM
TP will guide us to a good league(fizzy coca milk egg) cup campaign this season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 07, 2015, 11:48:06 AM
We are a fickle bunch aren't we!

This time last year we were marvelling at all of the players coming in and the odd appointment of a great coach, just hoping and praying that it was all going to stick together. It didn't.

We were very quickly going one way and there was only one person for the job. Personally I was very happy with the appointment of TP. He did a job and saved us. Some of the football was good, some of it not so but he was basically working with what he had been given. The home games with Leicester and QPR were particular low points of the season, and TP has admitted that. The defeat against the vile also hurt... but there was some good games and performances as well.

I think we have made some interesting signings and dodged a few problem children as well [Diaby is already injured apparently!]. All of the talk about Pulis bringing in Stoke players was unfounded, and I for one cannot disagree with any of his signings.

It is his team now so he should be judged throughout the season. I for one am really looking forward to seeing Lambert and Berahino get on the end of a few crosses from McLean, McManaman and Gnarby..........

Give him a chance - we are in safe hands and I for one would be exstatic if we are around the 10th position this year. Do I want to be be there next year, and the year after? Of course not, I want to see progression. Whether TP is the man for that remains to be seen, but I think he is certainly taking us in the right direction. So lets be a bit more positive............

As someone else has already said, there are loads of clubs who would love to be in our position.         
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 12:04:13 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 07, 2015, 10:11:06 AM
Im not askng to sign messi, nothing of the sorts.

Im asking for the football that we play not to be tripe. Chelsea west ham in fa cup were the standout games last season where we actually played football.

Games like the 2 villa games, everton away were utter garbage and a disgrace to the travelling support.

Setting up with 4 central defenders at the back says all what you need to know abou TP. Stay in the premier league and his job is done. He aint bothered about anything else then everyone else can say how fantastic he is because we aint gone down again.

I agree he is a stable manager who will keep us up year in year out but is that all we are now? Are people happy just to finish between 10th and 16th every season no cup runs no excitement in how we play because i sure aint happy to pay top prices to watch it.

I would be happy to finish between 10th-16th most seasons as there will be some cracking games thrown in the mix and some real why-do-I bother games. Don't get me wrong a top 10 finish or a cup run should always be the aim and would be a fantastic season for us. But holding the expectation that each season we are a top ten club is a stretch to far to for me.

As for this season, I think TP is the best manager we have had since Hodgson, as he knows how to win games in this league. Some of the players we have signed so far appear to be an improvement and we have kept onto our best players as well. I'm very much hoping for the Palace variety of his football rather than Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 07, 2015, 12:09:06 PM
I think we'll be ok under TP.
With the players we have signed I think we've got better attacking options than last year with the wide players and a genuine centre forward in Lambert.
The players that have come in so far are genuine first teamers not like the mix we had last year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 07, 2015, 12:20:35 PM
Quote from: AshD on August 07, 2015, 09:18:47 AM
Is this going to be the stick that everyone permanently beats him with??? He got it wrong...I imagine every manager in existence has got his tactics wrong at some point or another!

I'd rather watch an Albion team fight and battle for points, than the team we have watched the last couple of years that rolls over with no backbone!

I could understand some of the criticism of Pulis' style if we had been blessed with watching great football in recent times - we haven't!!!
TP teams sometimes roll over and have their bellies tickled Spurs and QPR at home last season were just 2 examples.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 07, 2015, 01:30:11 PM
Quote from: AshD on August 07, 2015, 09:18:47 AM
Is this going to be the stick that everyone permanently beats him with??? He got it wrong...I imagine every manager in existence has got his tactics wrong at some point or another!

I'd rather watch an Albion team fight and battle for points, than the team we have watched the last couple of years that rolls over with no backbone!

I could understand some of the criticism of Pulis' style if we had been blessed with watching great football in recent times - we haven't!!!
Only used when offer up a good approach to the cup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 07, 2015, 03:07:59 PM
If we sign rondon that is a massive step in the right direction
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 07, 2015, 08:11:00 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on August 07, 2015, 12:20:35 PM
TP teams sometimes roll over and have their bellies tickled Spurs and QPR at home last season were just 2 examples.
That was not a TP team,He made do with what he had.
Results will never go all one way but in the end he did what he was employed to do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 07, 2015, 10:21:57 PM
Give TP a chance with his own side , don't under estimate what a mess he took over .....wasn't pretty at times but for me he did a good job overall .
Certain things have to improve but I'm looking forward to this season under TP , first time in years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pete on August 08, 2015, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 07, 2015, 10:21:57 PM
Give TP a chance with his own side , don't under estimate what a mess he took over .....wasn't pretty at times but for me he did a good job overall .
Certain things have to improve but I'm looking forward to this season under TP , first time in years.
Im hoping he gets us playing like Palace & less like Stoke!

I too am looking forward to this season but am under no illusion its going to be hard!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 08, 2015, 03:23:07 PM
I think our policies in the window this time emphasise the trust JP has in TP. In previous windows,Hodgson apart, we had unproven coaches. Now i think JP thinks he can spend the money on decent players knowing we are in safe hands.
I doubt Alan Irvine would have been allowed such funds.
If the Rondon deal goes through then we will have spent £23m on two players and got an ex England forward on a free.
Again would any of the players we have signed this window have come for any other coach? On top of that we will also have one of the fittest and competitive squads in the prem.

Just to make it absolutely clear, i salute JP in this window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on August 08, 2015, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: divinewind on August 08, 2015, 03:23:07 PM
I think our policies in the window this time emphasise the trust JP has in TP. In previous windows,Hodgson apart, we had unproven coaches. Now i think JP thinks he can spend the money on decent players knowing we are in safe hands.
I doubt Alan Irvine would have been allowed such funds.
If the Rondon deal goes through then we will have spent £23m on two players and got an ex England forward on a free.
Again would any of the players we have signed this window have come for any other coach? On top of that we will also have one of the fittest and competitive squads in the prem.

Just to make it absolutely clear, i salute JP in this window.

I don't think that Lambert was on a free. I believe that we also paid a fee for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2015, 03:56:30 PM
Quote from: botters on August 08, 2015, 03:48:02 PM
I don't think that Lambert was on a free. I believe that we also paid a fee for him.

Correct, for the princely sum of '£ undisclosed'.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/lambert-wba-albion-signings-2584798.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/lambert-wba-albion-signings-2584798.aspx)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 08, 2015, 05:02:53 PM
Lambert was £1.5m rising depending on appearances etc.

I'm sure one of the local rags reported that recently.

Anyway, according to the Soccer Saturday 'experts', Pulis is going to walk before the transfer window is closed. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 08, 2015, 05:04:14 PM
Why would he walk?
He is getting the side he wants.
Stupid comment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 08, 2015, 05:07:05 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 08, 2015, 05:04:14 PM
Why would he walk?
He is getting the side he wants.
Stupid comment.

Yup - their overview of WBA was the usual cliched rubbish. Apparently we have no pace in the team either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 08, 2015, 05:28:04 PM
What the pundits know about us would fit on the back of a matchbox.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on August 08, 2015, 06:31:28 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 08, 2015, 05:07:05 PM
Yup - their overview of WBA was the usual cliched rubbish. Apparently we have no pace in the team either.

Gnabry is practically Olympic 100 m standard. McClean and Berahino don't hang about either!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on August 08, 2015, 06:40:14 PM
Yes, & they kept saying how disappointing Pulis would be to have only bought 3 in, until Stelling pointed out we'd also got Gnabry in yesterday. No mention at all of us in for a £15 million striker either!
I'll be surprised if don't bring in another 3 players before the deadline, but having seen toothless Tottenham today, expect the media to crank up the Berahino to Spurs stories over the next few days!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 08, 2015, 06:43:37 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 08, 2015, 05:07:05 PM
Yup - their overview of WBA was the usual cliched rubbish. Apparently we have no pace in the team either.

I don't mind if the other teams think the same.
It would be to our advantage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 08, 2015, 09:46:43 PM
I think our set up at home under Pulis will be good and last season we played some good stuff. Away from home we just need to be a little bit more positive I feel, a bit more of a threat going forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 08, 2015, 10:32:51 PM
He may want to be a bit more positive, but last season it was about survival first.
This will be the season to judge him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bilston Dan on August 09, 2015, 12:41:18 AM
I think it's incredibly unfair to judge Pulis on last season as "negative". What did you expect? He did what he was brought into do. Now he has a chance to build a good squad. A quick counter-attacking side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on August 09, 2015, 01:08:50 AM
Agreed - Hodgson was no doubt an excellent manager, however a very compact style with efficient counter attacking worked tremendously well for us. I do think you make much of your own luck, however he was extremely fortunate to have a clinical Odemwingie playing at the top of his game. I think Pulis is very similar, as in he will need the same level of organisation, but when counter attacking, quality in key areas will make all the difference.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 09, 2015, 06:25:58 PM
hodgeson is a much better manager than pulis, and actually plays fullbacks in there positions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 09, 2015, 07:29:12 PM
Quote from: spyro on August 09, 2015, 06:25:58 PM
hodgeson is a much better manager than pulis, and actually plays fullbacks in there positions

Many agree that Dawson and Brunt did very well at full back so what's the problem? We've had full backs play at full back who've been rubbish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Vince Pinner on August 09, 2015, 08:25:54 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 09, 2015, 07:29:12 PM
Many agree that Dawson and Brunt did very well at full back so what's the problem? We've had full backs play at full back who've been rubbish.

Exactly. He's actually made Dawson into a capable full-back - something I didn't think was possible. So I am not too sure why this is classed as a negative against Pulis by some people.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on August 09, 2015, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 08, 2015, 10:32:51 PM
He may want to be a bit more positive, but last season it was about survival first.
This will be the season to judge him.i

Spot on. And I already think he proved himself in home games, west ham in the cup, swansea 2-0 were games we  dominated and played good stuff.

It will be this season where we can judge the away performances which should be more positive than last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 09, 2015, 10:39:26 PM
Didn't Graham Williams start  as a winger?

The difference between a coach and a manager is that coaches coach, but managers see players strengths and weaknesses.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on August 09, 2015, 10:45:44 PM
It seems like he's decided that you can avoid losing too many by having 4 big guys drifting across the top of the box - it's rare for even the most attacking teams to get that many players forward, so numbers will be almost always in your favour.  As long as the wingers track back to give wide cover, you will keep the odds in your favour.  So the "full back" is not required.

Then attack when you can...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on August 10, 2015, 08:37:18 AM
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/is-stoke-citys-defection-from-the-tony-pulis-style-a-bad-thing

Interesting viewpoint about styles of play. It's a fair point about how playing in a more direct way can actually be more exciting. I remember the excitement of beating teams under Gary Megson - rarely pretty but full on excitement!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 10, 2015, 12:10:06 PM
Quote from: Vince Pinner on August 09, 2015, 08:25:54 PM
Exactly. He's actually made Dawson into a capable full-back - something I didn't think was possible. So I am not too sure why this is classed as a negative against Pulis by some people.
Bet schulpp and vardy wished they could play against Dawson every week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 12:12:14 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on August 10, 2015, 12:10:06 PM
Bet schulpp and vardy wished they could play against Dawson every week.

Surely double teaming any fullback would leave said full back exposed, its upto the wide m-f player / centre-half to help him out, isn't it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 10, 2015, 12:47:37 PM
I don't get why people say brunt and Dawson are good full backs there not,  they both made many mistakes last season but they weren't punished so no one noticed.                               
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 10, 2015, 12:49:33 PM
If bellerin played for us he would have been treated the same way as poco and gamboa
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 10, 2015, 12:50:53 PM
Quote from: spyro on August 10, 2015, 12:47:37 PM
I don't get why people say brunt and Dawson are good full backs there not,  they both made many mistakes last season but they weren't punished so no one noticed.                               

OK, so we replace them with two full backs who don't make mistakes.
Who would you suggest? Please take into consideration TP doesn't normally play full backs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 10, 2015, 12:57:28 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on August 10, 2015, 12:50:53 PM
OK, so we replace them with two full backs who don't make mistakes.
Who would you suggest? Please take into consideration TP doesn't normally play full backs

Who did he play at full back at Palace? Did he plays CH's there?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 10, 2015, 01:02:12 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 10, 2015, 12:57:28 PM
Who did he play at full back at Palace? Did he plays CH's there?

Mariappa and Ward mainly I think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 10, 2015, 01:13:16 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 10, 2015, 01:02:12 PM
Mariappa and Ward mainly I think.

Mariappa started his carear as a centre back and Ward played as a  defensive midfielder
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 10, 2015, 04:21:06 PM
Another Tony Pulis myth dispelled then.

"He only signs defenders over 6ft" "he never signs players from abroad" !!!

7 players in so far under him - 3 wingers, 2 centre forwards, 1 midfielder and a defender under 6ft
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 10, 2015, 04:54:05 PM
Quote from: spyro on August 10, 2015, 12:47:37 PM
I don't get why people say brunt and Dawson are good full backs there not,  they both made many mistakes last season but they weren't punished so no one noticed.                               

Brunt was voted best left back in europe by a poll in different games two or three times last season.
Brunt will never win here, his corners and set pieces are described by some as lucky punts into the box, while any mistake is seized on in glee.
I genuinely feel sorry for the bloke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 10, 2015, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 10, 2015, 04:21:06 PM
Another Tony Pulis myth dispelled then.

"He only signs defenders over 6ft" "he never signs players from abroad" !!!

7 players in so far under him - 3 wingers, 2 centre forwards, 1 midfielder and a defender under 6ft

To be fair Rondon is only his 2nd overseas based player that he has signed, but it simply boils down to the fact that he can't sign a player of Rondon's quality for £12m and that player be English based. With Pulis plainly not fancying Rudi Gestade the choices were exceedingly limited.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 10, 2015, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: Standaman on August 10, 2015, 05:05:00 PM
To be fair Rondon is only his 2nd overseas based player that he has signed, but it simply boils down to the fact that he can't sign a player of Rondon's quality for £12m and that player be English based. With Pulis plainly not fancying Rudi Gestade the choices were exceedingly limited.

No matter the reason, it dispels another myth. His time at Palace and Stoke are in the past.

Its his 3rd to be honest  ;) Geoff Cameron and Brek Shea the other two.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 10, 2015, 05:39:16 PM
Tuncay???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 10, 2015, 05:50:17 PM
Fans want proven players when it suits them then? TP has a reputation for this and it's a criticism. Remember a stint under Megson when we had the likes of Vollmer, Berthe etc. The Hawthorns was littered with sub standard imports.

Fans want defensive solidarity when it suits them then? TP is proven in establishing defensively sound sides and if that's achieved moulding players into new positions so what? He's done it before. The biggest gripes under RDM and TM were our defensive frailties.

TP is a gifted coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 10, 2015, 05:50:33 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 10, 2015, 05:39:16 PM
Tuncay???

Tuncay was brought in from Middlesbrough. He's signed a fair few foreign players who have already played in England. But it's rare for him to buy directly from a foreign club as Oldbury says above.

Everybody forgets Demar Phillips from Jamaica  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 10, 2015, 06:36:31 PM
Quote from: divinewind on August 10, 2015, 04:54:05 PM
Brunt was voted best left back in europe by a poll in different games two or three times last season.
Brunt will never win here, his corners and set pieces are described by some as lucky punts into the box, while any mistake is seized on in glee.
I genuinely feel sorry for the bloke.
i never said brunt was not a good player, just not a good full back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 10, 2015, 06:38:41 PM
As I said in an earlier post.
This is Pulis's team.
He will be judged on this.
And, I am sure, it will all bode well.
 :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 10, 2015, 07:30:04 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 10, 2015, 06:38:41 PM
As I said in an earlier post.
This is Pulis's team.
He will be judged on this.
And, I am sure, it will all bode well.
 :)

Absolutely. I never liked this DoF/ head coach rubbish, whereby other people bought players and expected the coach to do something with them. We had the silly situation with Ideye, were he was bought with Irvine having no knowledge of him.

Pulis knows how he wants to play, know's what players will be suited to his style and has the go ahead to go and get them.

Football isn't rocket science, some people have made an easy game difficult.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooter on August 10, 2015, 09:40:38 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 09, 2015, 07:29:12 PM
Many agree that Dawson and Brunt did very well at full back so what's the problem? We've had full backs play at full back who've been rubbish.

We have much better full backs who aren't playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on August 10, 2015, 09:52:43 PM
The most expensive centre half in our history and we move another centre half who actually did OK at full back to play him there. Clueless pulis. Lescott was awful tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 10, 2015, 10:17:10 PM
Honestly I think his comments about being nervous were truer than we thought.

Over thought his team selection and tactics.

Live and Learn
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 10, 2015, 10:24:47 PM
Quote from: graka on August 10, 2015, 09:52:43 PM
The most expensive centre half in our history and we move another centre half who actually did OK at full back to play him there. Clueless pulis. Lescott was awful tonight.
So a manager is clueless because a very expensive player who has played in FB and CB at the top level for many years put in a poor performance tonight?
I would suggest that might be an overreaction? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 10, 2015, 10:33:17 PM
He admitted he got it wrong. no ones happy with how it went but lets give it 10 games to see where we are at.

I love that people moan because we are too defensive and then moan that we are too open :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 10, 2015, 10:34:26 PM
Quote from: graka on August 10, 2015, 09:52:43 PM
The most expensive centre half in our history and we move another centre half who actually did OK at full back to play him there. Clueless pulis. Lescott was awful tonight.

If I give you a Greyhound and I have a Labrador, who would win a race? Sometimes you get beaten by a better team, tonight was one of those nights, I'm actually quite positive about our season prospects.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 10, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
He's come out in his interview with Sky and admitted he got it wrong, and he's regrets playing two up front, but he wanted to try to be positive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 10, 2015, 11:22:01 PM
Quote from: MarkW on August 10, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
He's come out in his interview with Sky and admitted he got it wrong, and he's regrets playing two up front, but he wanted to try to be positive.
Despite playing 2 upfront, we didn't try in the slightest to be positive until we were 2-0 down. If the first 25 minutes tonight was us being positive, then I shudder to think how it'll be when we're being negative!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 10, 2015, 11:40:38 PM
Positive?? The first 25 minutes we disnt get out our own half!!

I still stick to my opinion, the football and tactics will be awful under pulis!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 10, 2015, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 10, 2015, 11:40:38 PM
Positive?? The first 25 minutes we disnt get out our own half!!

I still stick to my opinion, the football and tactics will be awful under pulis!!
i agree but people like him just because hell get us points, we could easily play better football and get more points
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 10, 2015, 11:59:18 PM
Quote from: spyro on August 10, 2015, 11:54:11 PM
i agree but people like him just because hell get us points, we could easily play better football and get more points

What makes you think that when we've been struggling for the past two seasons? Pulis did a superb job last season getting us to 13th, deserves a lot more credit. There is no man I'd rather have as manager right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 11, 2015, 12:06:09 AM
Tactically that was about as wrong as he could have got it tonight and please don't bleat about wingers and full backs or having the right players or more money to spend or any of it because that was a tactical cluster f**k of the first order. City could demolish us on any given day but for a coach whose reputation is based on defensive organisation to put that side out against a team which is streets ahead of us in terms of quality is naïve in the extreme.

Pulis is a wonderfully negative coach it is what he does best and to extent I buy into at all it is because it is  effective but going gung-ho against City is just bizarre. It wasn't as if our two strikers troubled them they were just two players starved of the ball as opposed to one if he had just played the one of them.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 11, 2015, 12:13:19 AM
I am amazed people need things spelled out to them, he didn't mean we played positively in the first 25 minutes, he meant that 2 up front is more positive than one up front, unfortunately it left our central midfield two to cope with their 3 and we were comfortably overrun, Pulis has admitted his mistake, which takes guts, you don't get many who do that mostly bad luck sob stories *cough* Irvine *cough*. It won't happen again, Yacob will play against Chelsea with Rondon up front on his own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 11, 2015, 12:19:49 AM
Quote from: spyro on August 10, 2015, 11:54:11 PM
i agree but people like him just because hell get us points, we could easily play better football and get more points

Who will do that? And where are they?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 11, 2015, 12:32:41 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 11, 2015, 12:13:19 AM
I am amazed people need things spelled out to them, he didn't mean we played positively in the first 25 minutes, he meant that 2 up front is more positive than one up front, unfortunately it left our central midfield two to cope with their 3 and we were comfortably overrun, Pulis has admitted his mistake, which takes guts, you don't get many who do that mostly bad luck sob stories *cough* Irvine *cough*. It won't happen again, Yacob will play against Chelsea with Rondon up front on his own.

Maybe not the tone I wanted, but that's what I was trying to say. He tried something, it failed. We move on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 11, 2015, 12:48:46 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 11, 2015, 12:19:49 AM
Who will do that? And where are they?
martin jol is just one from the top of my head
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 11, 2015, 02:17:33 AM
Quote from: spyro on August 11, 2015, 12:48:46 AM
martin jol is just one from the top of my head
hasn't he effectively retired?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 11, 2015, 03:49:42 AM
Quote from: spyro on August 11, 2015, 12:48:46 AM
martin jol is just one from the top of my head

when was that? which lower - middle prem team did he take over with half a season gone and within 7 months turn them into a better footballing team gaining lots of points?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 11, 2015, 06:58:29 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 11, 2015, 12:13:19 AM
I am amazed people need things spelled out to them, he didn't mean we played positively in the first 25 minutes, he meant that 2 up front is more positive than one up front, unfortunately it left our central midfield two to cope with their 3 and we were comfortably overrun, Pulis has admitted his mistake, which takes guts, you don't get many who do that mostly bad luck sob stories *cough* Irvine *cough*. It won't happen again, Yacob will play against Chelsea with Rondon up front on his own.

What about our top scorer from last season?

Berahino should be first player named on team sheet.

People left the ground last night at half time because of how rubbish we were, all blaming pulis. This is the first game of the season and the fans are already disgruntled.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on August 11, 2015, 07:42:09 AM
Your never going to please some fans.

Its easier to sit here and say we should have done this and we should have done that, we should have give it a go.

Maybe we werent 'allowed' to give it a go.

You cant argue the fact that City looked alot sharper than us, and were effective in what they did. Its all good fans sitting here and saying we needed to give it a go, but the fact is City came here with a plan and nailed it.

We started to give it more of a go 2nd half (granted its too late then) and the Kompany goal killed us off.

But seeing posts on here and on FB about TP should be gone etc is ridiculous, we have played one game, against most peoples 2nd best team in the league right now (behind Chelsea) and people are upset that we have lost.

Ill be more annoyed if we dont give it a go at Watford.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 11, 2015, 07:44:20 AM
Conceded in the first 10 mins and no real plan B.  :P

He got it wrong but lots will against Man City who are in a different class to us. He could have got everything right but it would still take MC to be out of form to get a result against them. Yaya and Silva are different gravy and we let them run the game. Pulis and our squad will do enough to stay up  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 11, 2015, 08:04:17 AM
Everyone can agree that city were more than likely going to beat us one way or another.

The way we set up helped them massively IMO.

You say its 1 game, no its not, the football has been dross for 6 months.

New season, same pooh football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 11, 2015, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 11, 2015, 08:04:17 AM
Everyone can agree that city were more than likely going to beat us one way or another.

The way we set up helped them massively IMO.

You say its 1 game, no its not, the football has been dross for 6 months.

New season, same rubbish football.

Give it chance.
New season, new additions to squad, what did you really expect ythat we would turn into Barcelona over night?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 11, 2015, 09:06:20 AM
We were rubbish last night regardless of who we were playing the ball retention was as bad as I have ever seen first half with a lot of hard work in between.

I'd be tempted to put gnabry, sess both in next week m666eys is spot on it was bad very bad for 40 quid I wouldn't be hurrying back anytime soon call me what you want I ain't fussed.

Superior supporter syndrome shining through again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 11, 2015, 09:27:22 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 11, 2015, 09:06:20 AM
We were rubbish last night regardless of who we were playing the ball retention was as bad as I have ever seen first half with a lot of hard work in between.

I'd be tempted to put gnabry, sess both in next week m666eys is spot on it was bad very bad for 40 quid I wouldn't be hurrying back anytime soon call me what you want I ain't fussed.

Superior supporter syndrome shining through again.
I would say we were not very good but to say we were rubbish is a bit harsh, My mate who is a Man City fan said they played some of the best football he as seen for a while and they would not be many teams who would cope with them.

First game of season and the doom and gloom starts. :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on August 11, 2015, 09:55:27 AM
If we look as bad as we did next week and against non top-3/4 teams then we can really start to worry
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 11, 2015, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 11, 2015, 09:27:22 AM
My mate who is a Man City fan said they played some of the best football he as seen for a while and they would not be many teams who would cope with them.
We made them look better than they would otherwise of done by standing off and admiring them, rather than pressuring and harrying them into mistakes and rushed decisions. Few other teams would have approached it the way we did last night.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 11, 2015, 10:32:40 AM
it's not a big surprise if you play people out of their position you compromise the effectiveness of the team. It really is pretty upsetting when you see these players in foreign position for them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on August 11, 2015, 10:37:55 AM
We got the tactics wrong, but we weren't awful and rubbish as some are stating, at times we put some nice moves together, lambert held the ball up well, won headers, got free kicks. Bera looked sharp. We looked better when Yacob came on. We have Gnabry and Rondon to come in and any other signings we make. I saw enough to think this was a minor hiccup.

Watford will be a tough game and they will come at us and probably have most of the possession, but we will hit them on the counter. Which suits us more than having all the ball and trying to break teams down.

It's the first game against one of the favourites where one of their signings probably costs more than what we paid for our team. No need for all the doom and gloom.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 11, 2015, 12:08:31 PM
Honest reply to questions.
You can't ask better than that.
He just has to rethink his team selection and plans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 11, 2015, 12:17:30 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 11, 2015, 10:17:22 AM
We made them look better than they would otherwise of done by standing off and admiring them, rather than pressuring and harrying them into mistakes and rushed decisions. Few other teams would have approached it the way we did last night.
Don't agree, there will be lot's of teams who will struggle against Man City in that form.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 11, 2015, 12:20:27 PM
In all honesty I'm wondering if we bought too many attacking players in and how exactly are they going to fit in , Rondon , Lambert , McManaman , Mclean and Gnabry to mix with Saido and possibly Vic / Brown if they don't leave. None of the above points towards Pulis usual rigid formation , interesting times ahead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 11, 2015, 12:20:41 PM
Kev...
You speak with too much intelligence.  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 11, 2015, 12:23:47 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 11, 2015, 12:20:41 PM
Kev...
You speak with too much intelligence.  :-X
No Mate just a football fan who has a opinion as well as everyone else does.

BUT MINE IS ALWAYS RIGHT :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 11, 2015, 12:45:10 PM
Panic and over-reaction on westbrom.com SHOCKER !!

Team being rebuilt after past disastrous coaches gets beat and outplayed by the side that will finish 1st or 2nd in the league whilst the transfer window is still open and manager has said he wants at least 2/3 more players.

He obviously knows which players are surplus to requirements and after their performances last night (none of which were truly awful,  just simply in many cases not good enough) they will have done themselves no favours.

He made a couple of mistakes, held his hand up unlike past coaches who blamed everything and everyone but themselves.

It seems he did a few on here a favour, gave them the chance to put the boot in they have been waiting for all Summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 11, 2015, 12:48:23 PM
city will take points off most teams, we all agree.

not playing yacob was suicide, and a massive sunday morning manager error. 

we didnt even stand a chance at 7pm when the team sheets were handed in with the team that we put out plus the tactics that we saw.

Dawson-Chester should have been swapped.
Yacob should have started
Midfield were over ran
Strikers isolated
Berahino out wide???  ::)

these factors were certain with the team and tactics that were set out, anyone with half a football brain could see that.

people paid £40 for that rubbish last night, they are paying the same on saturday with travel etc, lets hope TP dont loose us down again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 11, 2015, 12:56:48 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 11, 2015, 12:45:10 PM
Panic and over-reaction on westbrom.com SHOCKER !!

Team being rebuilt after past disastrous coaches gets beat and outplayed by the side that will finish 1st or 2nd in the league whilst the transfer window is still open and manager has said he wants at least 2/3 more players.

He obviously knows which players are surplus to requirements and after their performances last night (none of which were truly awful,  just simply in many cases not good enough) they will have done themselves no favours.

He made a couple of mistakes, held his hand up unlike past coaches who blamed everything and everyone but themselves.

It seems he did a few on here a favour, gave them the chance to put the boot in they have been waiting for all Summer.

How's it different to what people were saying about Mel and Irvine though really mate ?.

Pulis is a far superior manager in this league as he grinds out results but that's not the be all for some people they want to see a bit extra I can understand that with the money involved.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alfie07 on August 11, 2015, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 11, 2015, 12:48:23 PM
city will take points off most teams, we all agree.

not playing yacob was suicide, and a massive sunday morning manager error. 

we didnt even stand a chance at 7pm when the team sheets were handed in with the team that we put out plus the tactics that we saw.

Dawson-Chester should have been swapped.
Yacob should have started
Midfield were over ran
Strikers isolated
Berahino out wide???  ::)

these factors were certain with the team and tactics that were set out, anyone with half a football brain could see that.

people paid £40 for that rubbish last night, they are paying the same on saturday with travel etc, lets hope TP dont loose us down again.

God everything you post is negative.

While I would of personally played 451 , a lot of fans also selected a 442 with yacob replacing Gardner. In this case we still would of lost with no 1 being able to stop the David Silva and yaya toure show.

I think TP was trying to appease supporters by playing a more attacking side , although you cannot attack with out having the ball, with Man city ball retention and pass completion being top notch.

Plenty of positives and with a few more signings , as well as putting Dawson right back who I thought was a great attacking outlet when TP came in we will have a postive season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 11, 2015, 01:00:34 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 11, 2015, 12:56:48 PM
How's it different to what people were saying about Mel and Irvine though really mate ?.

Pulis is a far superior manager in this league as he grinds out results but that's not the be all for some people they want to see a bit extra I can understand that with the money involved.

I understand that mate but Mel was never given much of a chance and Irvine was out of his depth and showed no sign of knowing how to turn it round. Pulis came in, saved us with basically the same squad and now has the task of rebuilding it, seems the time some were prepared to give Irvine is not being allowed to Pulis. Some think its a 5 minute job, its not and will take plenty of time but i'm happier having someone like Pulis in to do it than an unknown untried face that we've had before.

You need to get the basics right before you can take it further, we've struggled with the basics for too long and last nights first half especially showed how far we still have to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 11, 2015, 01:04:15 PM
On one hand, yes it's hard to compete with City and the caliber of players they have.

If you try to win, you might lose. But if you don't try to win, you definitely will lose.

We were too rigid with the two banks of four, and leaving aside the 4 vs 5 issue, we didn't put City under enough pressure. It was easy to play around us.

We beat teams like Chelsea and United last season, so why couldn't we compete more last night?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on August 11, 2015, 01:06:10 PM
Everyone needs to chill.

We wont be the only team city will dominate this season

Hes admitted he was at fault move on.

Cant we take losing to a team a billionpound infront of us?

We are albion not barcelona

Lets not cry now eh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 11, 2015, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: alfie07 on August 11, 2015, 12:58:40 PM
God everything you post is negative.

While I would of personally played 451 , a lot of fans also selected a 442 with yacob replacing Gardner. In this case we still would of lost with no 1 being able to stop the David Silva and yaya toure show.

I think TP was trying to appease supporters by playing a more attacking side , although you cannot attack with out having the ball, with Man city hall retention and pass completion being top notch.

Plenty of positives and with a few more signings , as well as putting Dawson right back who I thought was a great attacking outlet when TP came in we will have a postive season.

plenty of positives? what game did you watch? we were awful.

playing a more attacking side? so why didnt we get out our half for 25 minutes? thats not very attacking to me.

so your post basically sums up what i have been saying, he played the wrong formation, he picked the wrong players.

you say we would have lost, we probably would have but picking that team and tactics made sure that we did.

fair play to pulis though, he has come out and held his hands up, he got it wrong.

i hope he gets it right on saturday, he has no excuse. he has new signings available and a promoted side to face.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 11, 2015, 01:09:23 PM
Quote from: Tipton Baggie on August 11, 2015, 01:06:10 PM
Everyone needs to chill.

We wont be the only team city will dominate this season

Hes admitted he was at fault move on.

Cant we take losing to a team a billionpound infront of us?

We are albion not barcelona

Lets not cry now eh

you were prob too pi$$ed to realise how pooh we really were  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 11, 2015, 01:10:20 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on August 11, 2015, 01:04:15 PM
On one hand, yes it's hard to compete with City and the caliber of players they have.

If you try to win, you might lose. But if you don't try to win, you definitely will lose.

We were too rigid with the two banks of four, and leaving aside the 4 vs 5 issue, we didn't put City under enough pressure. It was easy to play around us.

We beat teams like Chelsea and United last season, so why couldn't we compete more last night?
I'd put that down to Pulis trying something new and Dawson playing at CB instead of RB where he did so well not to mention Yacob not starting . At the end of the day this will be pretty much a new side if Pulis gets his way in a few weeks, it's simply not going to happen over night and as we all know our rebuilding should have started two summers ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 11, 2015, 01:10:50 PM
Not too bothered about losing against Man City, always likely to happen and many more team will suffer the same fate.  I was surprised that there was no Yacob in the starting line up.  He is the best at breaking up the passing and shooting in front of the defence (precisely where Yaya and Silver ran the 1st half last night).  Even then - when I saw Yacob wasn't in the team - I was expecting Berahino to start out wide and packed midfield.

I expect we'll face the same problems against Chelsea - so let's hope Pulis makes better decisions for that game.

Let's face it, we need to be resilient because with the exception of 1 game (Burnley) we have not come back to get any points once we concede the 1st goal.  I'm sure the improved attacking options will make a difference, but I think that not conceding the 1st goal should be our priority between now and the end of September.  It may be boring, but lets build a foundation and become more expansive from October onwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 11, 2015, 01:26:20 PM
If he is going to try "stuff" in a match situation, then its games like this he has to utilise.
So having tried some things, he will have (hopefully0 learnt some serious lessons, we move on.

I do not think Watford away is a game for learning, its a game we have to set out to win (or rather for TP, a game not to lose)
I expect a pretty familiar team for watford, we will be solid and hope to capitalise on set pieces / create a very  few chances.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 11, 2015, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: Mr Cynical on August 11, 2015, 01:10:50 PM
Not too bothered about losing against Man City, always likely to happen and many more team will suffer the same fate.  I was surprised that there was no Yacob in the starting line up.  He is the best at breaking up the passing and shooting in front of the defence (precisely where Yaya and Silver ran the 1st half last night).  Even then - when I saw Yacob wasn't in the team - I was expecting Berahino to start out wide and packed midfield.

I expect we'll face the same problems against Chelsea - so let's hope Pulis makes better decisions for that game.

Let's face it, we need to be resilient because with the exception of 1 game (Burnley) we have not come back to get any points once we concede the 1st goal.  I'm sure the improved attacking options will make a difference, but I think that not conceding the 1st goal should be our priority between now and the end of September.  It may be boring, but lets build a foundation and become more expansive from October onwards.

That's the problem when we concede we don't have the firepower and know how to go on and win, Man utd at home was the last remarkable comeback. Not a pulis thing as it was a problem before he came but it needs to be resolved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 11, 2015, 02:09:24 PM
The difference with Pulis is that just because we lose one game badly, we don't necessarily expect to lose the next.
Under DiMatteo, Clark and Irvine you just couldn't see where the next win was coming from, but now it's easier to pick yourself up and look forward to the next game.
We were woeful against QPR and Leicester last season then went on to beat Man U and Chelsea.
We could easily beat Watford and even get something from Chelsea, in our next 2 games.
Onwards and Upwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 11, 2015, 02:28:22 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on August 11, 2015, 02:09:24 PM
The difference with Pulis is that just because we lose one game badly, we don't necessarily expect to lose the next.
Under DiMatteo, Clark and Irvine you just couldn't see where the next win was coming from, but now it's easier to pick yourself up and look forward to the next game.
We were woeful against QPR and Leicester last season then went on to beat Man U and Chelsea.
We could easily beat Watford and even get something from Chelsea, in our next 2 games.
Onwards and Upwards.

Or we could los to watford, and chelsea and be bottom after 3 games  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 11, 2015, 02:30:13 PM
we would not have went down under clarke
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 11, 2015, 02:50:38 PM
Quote from: spyro on August 11, 2015, 02:30:13 PM
we would not have went down under clarke

I can only assume you weren't at Cardiff. We looked like we'd never get another point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on August 11, 2015, 03:16:56 PM
Quote from: spyro on August 11, 2015, 02:30:13 PM
we would not have went down under clarke

Were you watching the same West Brom as everybody else?

Alan Irvine had more chance of keeping us up than Clarke. Pulis over Clarke anyday for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 11, 2015, 03:23:51 PM
not really the poor full backs we had cost us, and the poor signings we made, he would of killed for players like poco
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 11, 2015, 03:24:15 PM
Clarke is hardly tearing up trees at Reading either.

Back on topic. I would like to see Pulis at the club for a number of years. I like him, seems honest, takes no fools and can bring up some managerial stability.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 11, 2015, 03:53:44 PM
Quote from: BB74 on August 11, 2015, 03:24:15 PM
Clarke is hardly tearing up trees at Reading either.

Back on topic. I would like to see Pulis at the club for a number of years. I like him, seems honest, takes no fools and can bring up some managerial stability.
you can't seriously want to watch Pulis's brand of football for the next few years!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 11, 2015, 04:07:56 PM
I keep thinking back to the metaphor that Benitez used after Mowbray's team lost at Liverpool. 

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rafa-benitez-tips-for-tony-mowbray-72610 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rafa-benitez-tips-for-tony-mowbray-72610)

Quote
The Spaniard was drawing on his experiences with La Liga clubs Osasuna, Extremadura, Tenerife and Valencia, all of whom struggled to keep pace with giants Real Madrid and Barcelona or were merely trying to stay in Spain’s top division.

“I had a great conversation with Rafa Benitez where he compared it (managing a smaller club) to a blanket,” Mowbray told the Birmingham Mail.

“The blanket is never quite big enough. If you try to cover your head your toes stick out and if you try to cover your toes your head is exposed.

“If we defend and everybody is back we are never going to score a goal.

‘‘If we’re positive and we take them on we leave ourselves vulnerable and Robbie Keane goes and scores two goals.

“If we get criticised it’s a bit unfair because we are doing the best we can with what we’ve got.

“If you’re positive and try to attack you get criticised for being a bit weak defensively and if you stick everybody behind the ball and never look like scoring you get criticised for that.

“We’re a bit like that blanket that is a bit short and we can’t quite cover our head and our toes.

“Rafa has ‘been me’ in Spain so he knows.”

It applies to much of what we do as a football club, especially when our blanket is compared to clubs like Man City who have a 20 tog king size duvet. 

Our finances - we've probably stretched our resources on a striker and don't have money to buy quality players in other positions.

Our tactics (against teams like Man City at least) - we play we 2 forwards and we leave too much room in midfield, but if we only played with 1 striker we'd never score (not that the 2 strikers looked much like they were attacking for the first 30 mins).

Our blanket still isn't big enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 11, 2015, 04:26:44 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on August 11, 2015, 03:53:44 PM
you can't seriously want to watch Pulis's brand of football for the next few years!

I believe it will get better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: colinmax on August 11, 2015, 05:12:10 PM
I rate Pulis and have faith in him but there is one thing we need to bring to our game and that is more closing down.
Man City were magnificent last night and their whole team is very skilful but did anyone notice that basically every outfield player closed us down at every opportunity and Navas ran hard from the halfway line and almost charged down Myhill's clearance.A rsenal were the same last season,very hard working despite the skill.That is why our players were constantly under pressure.
We must do the same to the opposition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 11, 2015, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: BB74 on August 11, 2015, 04:26:44 PM
I believe it will get better.
what makes you think that his teams at palace and stoke he played dour football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 11, 2015, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: spyro on August 11, 2015, 05:17:02 PM
what makes you think that his teams at palace and stoke he played dour football

Palace played some exciting counter-attacking football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 11, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: MarkW on August 11, 2015, 05:32:52 PM
Palace played some exciting counter-attacking football.

Hopefully Gnabry can bring that to the table as bolasie did to palace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 11, 2015, 05:51:18 PM
The fact we lost to City is no great surprise they looked in good form and that would be pretty much the outcome if you played that game a hundred times.

The bigger concern is that we seem to be geared up to play Saido off the front player be that Lambert or Rondon in a 4-4-2. This is no real surprise because this is TP's stock formation which he sometimes varies by swapping a frontman for an extra player in midfield when he is up against teams like Man City. I fear that Saido is not a 10 nor do we have one in the squad equally the central midfield is an issue.

Either we sign a few players that truly transform the squad's ability to be effective in  a 4-4-2 or TP really needs to have a tactical rethink because while City are a class apart most clubs would be able to overrun our midfield simply by putting 3 players into the central midfield. In the absence of any quality ball in the middle of the park we will always struggle regardless of the qualities elsewhere in the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 11, 2015, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: MarkW on August 11, 2015, 05:32:52 PM
Palace played some exciting counter-attacking football.
you can make any team look exciting if you just watch match of the day highlights
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RuncornBaggie on August 11, 2015, 05:58:41 PM
We stood off them too much in the first half.  If they played like that against any other team in this division (Including Chelsea and Utd) they will do exactly the same.  Their passing and movement was very good.  But in effect we kind of let them by sitting off them.  TP admitted he got it wrong, we should all move on! 

We haven't got to play them every week.  There were some positives for sure, particularly the start of the second half......the first 10-15 mins of the second half we looked a million percent better than the first half. 

Onwards and upwards!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: allenkevanastle on August 11, 2015, 06:13:15 PM
Seasons ago I remember coming out of the Britannia after another 0-1 loss and saying 'well at least we don't have to watch that every week'.
 However a 'Good Bloke' Pulis is, and yes we needed something to happen to our chaotic coaching/recruiting structure - I hate his football. I try to stay out of these arguments these days 'because he is our manager and that's it.
But, even against a classy outfit, last night we were abysmal. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 11, 2015, 07:27:15 PM
I suppose it comes down to why you enjoy "watching" football.

Yes of course we all support the albion and always will no matter how rubbish we are but we are also, I would assume, fans of the game of football. So expecting people to pay top money to watch boring uninteresting attacking play is a bit of kicker.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 11, 2015, 07:42:32 PM
Those of you slating pulis's style are really making me laugh tonight.

He played some fantastic attacking football at palace could watch it all day long.

He's the best manager the Albion have had since hodgson.

You only have to look at the signings he's made so far, I for one am convinced we will play some great football this year.

Also as for last nights game, sometimes you simply have to admit the other team were just to good for us, yes pulis could have set up 4-5-1 or played attacking, the latter we could have lost 5-0 and you would all be moaning and if he set up 4-5-1 you would all be saying how negative!!!

Simply give pulis a fair crack you can't argur wih what he done last season with what we had at our disposal and I believe the signings he is making and rumours I'm hearing he is building a very good footballing side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on August 11, 2015, 08:53:52 PM
Quote from: colinmax on August 11, 2015, 05:12:10 PM
I rate Pulis and have faith in him but there is one thing we need to bring to our game and that is more closing down.
Man City were magnificent last night and their whole team is very skilful but did anyone notice that basically every outfield player closed us down at every opportunity and Navas ran hard from the halfway line and almost charged down Myhill's clearance.A rsenal were the same last season,very hard working despite the skill.That is why our players were constantly under pressure.
We must do the same to the opposition.

Good post and Chelsea will be the same
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 11, 2015, 09:42:26 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 11, 2015, 07:42:32 PM
Those of you slating pulis's style are really making me laugh tonight.

He played some fantastic attacking football at palace could watch it all day long.

etc.


Well, that argument is utterly irrelevant as long as he doesn't play fantastic attacking football at Albion. Once he does then we will get to enjoy some fantastic attacking football, no? But in reality the fact of the matter is that we are NOT enjoying fantastic attacking football because of the complete lack of said fantastic attacking football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on August 11, 2015, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 11, 2015, 07:42:32 PM
Those of you slating pulis's style are really making me laugh tonight.

He played some fantastic attacking football at palace could watch it all day long.

He's the best manager the Albion have had since hodgson.

You only have to look at the signings he's made so far, I for one am convinced we will play some great football this year.

Also as for last nights game, sometimes you simply have to admit the other team were just to good for us, yes pulis could have set up 4-5-1 or played attacking, the latter we could have lost 5-0 and you would all be moaning and if he set up 4-5-1 you would all be saying how negative!!!

Simply give pulis a fair crack you can't argur wih what he done last season with what we had at our disposal and I believe the signings he is making and rumours I'm hearing he is building a very good footballing side.
Yes quite right give him a break he will deliver. We will not play teams like City every week. As a manager to me he is up there with Ashman, Giles, Atkinson, Allan, Megson and Hodgson. Good times are round the corner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 11, 2015, 09:44:44 PM
Quote from: GrGr on August 11, 2015, 09:42:26 PM
Well, that argument is utterly irrelevant as long as he doesn't play fantastic attacking football at Albion. Once he does then we will get to enjoy some fantastic attacking football, no? But in reality the fact of the matter is that we are NOT enjoying fantastic attacking football because of the complete lack of said fantastic attacking football.

The guys with a more negative view are making more sense to me on this topic, spot on mate such an irrelevant thing for people to say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on August 11, 2015, 10:01:49 PM
I don't mind us playing a defensive style of play, we did it under Roy and under Clarke,  the thing that really worries and frustrates me under Pulis is our play when we do have the ball. The team looks like they couldn't string 2 passes together, generally last season our ball retention was awful and it started off very much the same against city. I lost count of how many times an aimless 20 yard punt would be put into touch with not a blue and white shirt to be seen in sight. I can put up with a defensive style but we have to do something with it when we have it, when we've sat deep and finally win the ball back and then see a 15 yard pass go sailing out of play makes me want to put my head through a wall.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 11, 2015, 11:20:07 PM
A straight talking manager who admits when he's wrong and makes mistakes. He'll do for me. Sets the benchmark for other people at the club to do the same.

Much prefer it to the pre-prepared, cliched media tripe that Clarke and AI used to trot out:

"back to basics". "We'll work hard on the training ground". "Individual mistakes" etc etc. It was all rubbish.

Give me TP any day of the week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 11, 2015, 11:23:51 PM
We didn't play defensive football under Roy Hodgson though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 11, 2015, 11:28:46 PM
Quote from: spyro on August 11, 2015, 11:23:51 PM
We didn't play defensive football under Roy Hodgson though
Yes we did and he was called into question on here.
He like Pulis however knows what is needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 12, 2015, 07:21:21 AM
Teams that play good football have good players. We need a few more , particularly in midfield / out wide. Gardener is not a wide player, McLean is not a premier league starter in my eyes (direct impact sub now and again perhaps). We also need proper left and right backs who can attack and overlap now and again (Brunt is ok but Chester is not a right back). Oh yes we need another keeper too!

This is all to say with at least 6 new players needed in my view to make us more balanced therefore we are still a work in progress. In fact , this work in progress is likely to continue until at least the end of next summer which means I'm not expecting champagne football for a while! A few memorable performances would be more realistic.

Let's rebuild this neglected squad first (neglected badly for a couple of years), stay up this season , then worry about marks out of 10 for style!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 12, 2015, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: GrGr on August 11, 2015, 09:42:26 PM
Well, that argument is utterly irrelevant as long as he doesn't play fantastic attacking football at Albion. Once he does then we will get to enjoy some fantastic attacking football, no? But in reality the fact of the matter is that we are NOT enjoying fantastic attacking football because of the complete lack of said fantastic attacking football.

Your response to me with this post made less sense to me than Rondon's interview when he was speaking his own language lol!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 12, 2015, 11:43:45 AM
The fact of the matter is Pulis will not win some of you over.

Not because hes a bad manager but I think some of you must have really bad lives and use football as a way to express your anger at the world.

Amen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 12, 2015, 11:51:30 AM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 12, 2015, 11:43:45 AM
The fact of the matter is Pulis will not win some of you over.

Not because hes a bad manager but I think some of you must have really bad lives and use football as a way to express your anger at the world.

Amen.

I don't know if I speak for others, but anyway my take is,
 
last season we had to get behind TP as we were in trouble and he had to keep us up with an inherited mis-firing & unbalanced squad, so, poor quality of performance was to be expected and tolerated.

This season, he has two windows to build a squad to be successful (whatever that means) and provide some entertainment, likely the entertainment comes toward the end of the season as the squad needs re-structuring and to know each other / system.

Next season, too far off & too many imponderables to imagine what situation will be, but hopefully some stability and kick on to be entertaining and more successful all season.

thems my onions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 12, 2015, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 12, 2015, 11:43:45 AM
The fact of the matter is Pulis will not win some of you over.

Not because hes a bad manager but I think some of you must have really bad lives and use football as a way to express your anger at the world.

Amen.

There will be a lot of stubbornness also Brainy. Mainly the people who said "I'd rather go down that watch that sh*t every week" when they saw Pulis walk away with another 3 points in his back pocket.

West Brom played some decent stuff against Man City. The passing play before Berahino's offside goal was a good passing move. McClean tried a couple of crosses along the floor that worked well in pre season, but Man City got their preperation spot on and blocked those off. I can't see how it's all doom and gloom because the probable Champions had a good game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 12, 2015, 01:20:41 PM
Not a dig at Stokelad but a Stokie I know is beginning to sound like we did in 2008- "glad we don't play Pulis football and we're Stokealona (ref to Barcelona) playing great football under Hughes". As football fans we can easily convince ourselves that 20 passes more is better football in spite of the end product being broadly the same I.e. Mid table inevitability 95% of the time - that's life in modern football.

I'd love us to laud it over other mid table teams (tongue in cheek) by playing better football but I'd rather us establish ourselves in mid table first before getting too cocky considering we've generally been awful for a few years now really. Pulis is not the. Cause of this , successive poor transfer windows are to blam. However Pulis is the reason we stayed up (end result) last season. To me, this earns him this season and next to try to build a better way of playing.

Isn't football a bit sad today though when we only have 'subjective quality' battles with other teams who also have no or very little chance of winning anything I.e. We can only compete about the way we all stay up.....yawn........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on August 12, 2015, 10:45:58 PM
I think TP's post match interview where he blamed his own tactics was a calculated way of giving him the excuse to go back to 1 man up front. I get his point that we needed more bodies in midfield to counter City, but why does that always seem to mean sacrificing a forward?  I do agree that most games are won in midfield and that is where you need numbers to match the opposition. So how do other teams manage to do it without playing just one forward?

Comes on to my point about attacking full backs. They get the extra number(s) in midfield by pushing forward from the back, and that usually means your full backs. That's why we need full backs who get forward. However, TP has an obvious preference for tall traditional defenders who defend and do little else. Lescott is a great central defender but he doesn't know how to attack down the wing. Chester looked another example. Bruntie is a sort of compromise, but I wish we'd have got Martin Olsson last season. Jose Enrique is the sort of back I have in mind, as long as he hasn't lost his sharpness. 

I'm not saying we would have beaten City playing that way, but against teams with less quality, I'd much prefer us to take the game to the opposition, than sitting back with only one striker.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 12, 2015, 10:54:11 PM
He did what the fans wanted at home.
He put out an attacking team.
It back fired.
He will go back to his basics and move us forward that way..........
Counter attacking away and home.
Boring but effective at the moment.
He needs another season to get his own team sorted.
He is still experimenting and tinkering with our old guard and new blood.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on August 13, 2015, 01:28:55 AM
the great one with the cap,please tell us why you persist in playing graig gardener out wide,why you keep playing centre halfs as fullbacks,did not play 5 in midfield against city from the start,i would have thought all these things should be common sense by now,apart from berahino and mclean no pace in the team whatsoever
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 13, 2015, 03:23:09 AM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 12, 2015, 11:42:29 AM
Your response to me with this post made less sense to me than Rondon's interview when he was speaking his own language lol!

That's alright mate. I am used to the fact the rarefied quality of my posts sometimes leave the unsuspecting somewhat befuddled! ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 13, 2015, 07:53:46 AM
The total over reaction to defeat against Man City on here was sort of expected I suppose, Stokelad is spot on, yes, Pulis will play pragmatic football, the purists amongst our membership will never be happy with that, but, results will satisfy the vast majority of fans.

I expect us to play some good football at times this season, what many fans forget is that Pulis in his early days at Stoke had to adopt an extreme pragmatic approach because, to be frank, the players he could afford were not that good, hence the pitch narrowing and long ball/throw ins. He did his job, kept them in the division and built for the future.

He has a much more capable squad here than in his early days at Stoke, he just needs to get the balance right, he will, I guarantee it. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2015, 07:56:56 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 12, 2015, 10:54:11 PM
He did what the fans wanted at home.
He put out an attacking team.
It back fired.
He will go back to his basics and move us forward that way..........
Counter attacking away and home.
Boring but effective at the moment.
He needs another season to get his own team sorted.
He is still experimenting and tinkering with our old guard and new blood.


An attacking team that unffortuanately didnt attack
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 13, 2015, 08:44:12 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 12, 2015, 10:54:11 PM
He did what the fans wanted at home.
He put out an attacking team.
It back fired.
He will go back to his basics and move us forward that way..........
Counter attacking away and home.
Boring but effective at the moment.
He needs another season to get his own team sorted.
He is still experimenting and tinkering with our old guard and new blood.
It might have been a more attacking formation, but the approach was far from attacking. We barely tried to venture out of our own half until we were 2-0 down.

It's also interesting that people were defending Pulis's ultra-negative tactics in away games last season by saying "it'll be different next season when he's brought his own players in" but, now that it is next season, some are starting to say that it it'll be the season after before there's much change. Always jam tomorrow!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 13, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 13, 2015, 08:44:12 AM
It might have been a more attacking formation, but the approach was far from attacking. We barely tried to venture out of our own half until we were 2-0 down.

It's also interesting that people were defending Pulis's ultra-negative tactics in away games last season by saying "it'll be different next season when he's brought his own players in" but, now that it is next season, some are starting to say that it it'll be the season after before there's much change. Always jam tomorrow!
All Baggy fans have followed this creed since time began.
We are a Jekyll and Hyde team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 13, 2015, 09:45:10 AM
Most football fans only see in black and white. Player A is either the worst player ever or gods gift to football when usually he is neither but somewhere in the middle. Tony Pulis is neither god's gift nor is he the devil in disguise. He is very good at what he does which is create teams that (generally) do not lose football matches.  Historically, he does not seem so good at making exciting attacking football teams. For me, there is a time and a place for both styles to be played in a season and hopefully Pulis will recognise this and not use the "I tried attacking Man City and look what happened" as a reason for going ultra defensive against Watford etc. I have been quite excited about the signings that we have brought in (i was last year too though :-[ ) and hopefully Pulis will get the best out of the attacking options they bring.

We will lose games under Pulis, Irvine, Clarke, Hodgson. ...because at the end of the day at least half of the teams in the division are better than us both financially and in talent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on August 15, 2015, 03:28:48 PM
Since appointed he has spent over 25 million yet we still have no full backs, no pace or creativity in midfield and the likes of ollsen,gardener,yacob playing. He keeps teams up but its shocking to watch and he his becoming a bit of a dinosaur with his tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 15, 2015, 03:30:16 PM
I really do hate how TP sets his teams up. It's horrible to watch. I totally believe we'll end up about 15th and safe, but what's the point if i hate watching it?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 15, 2015, 03:32:54 PM
Olsson yellow card...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 15, 2015, 03:33:11 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on August 15, 2015, 03:30:16 PM
I really do hate how TP sets his teams up. It's horrible to watch. I totally believe we'll end up about 15th and safe, but what's the point if i hate watching it?!

Exactly my sentiments but i just get shouted down on here
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 15, 2015, 03:34:26 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 15, 2015, 03:33:11 PM
Exactly my sentiments but i just get shouted down on here
Did we finish 15th?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 15, 2015, 03:39:00 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on August 15, 2015, 03:34:26 PM
Did we finish 15th?

13th same pooh football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on August 15, 2015, 04:03:03 PM
If survival is the be all and end all, fair enough.

If you're a fan who wants to watch your team play football and results aren't everything, the sooner Pulis goes the better
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 15, 2015, 05:01:05 PM
The problem is that people are expecting immediate results and performances. We are still getting a squad together with players coming in and out, the new players have to gel too. Watford were full of confidence after going to Everton and drawing 2-2, we kept them at bay.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 15, 2015, 05:04:04 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on August 15, 2015, 04:03:03 PM
If survival is the be all and end all, fair enough.

If you're a fan who wants to watch your team play football and results aren't everything, the sooner Pulis goes the better

Good point. Could always go back to Pepe Mel with a 17% win rate?

West Brom were a bottom 4 club when Pulis took over. I said in January it would him take 3 or 4 transfer windows to completely change everything around.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 15, 2015, 05:07:04 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 15, 2015, 05:01:05 PM
The problem is that people are expecting immediate results and performances. We are still getting a squad together with players coming in and out, the new players have to gel too. Watford were full of confidence after going to Everton and drawing 2-2, we kept them at bay.

Where were they? Pulis has signed 7 players since he's been here. Only 1 started today. Are they good enough?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 15, 2015, 05:15:45 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 15, 2015, 05:07:04 PM
Where were they? Pulis has signed 7 players since he's been here. Only 1 started today. Are they good enough?
It's still early days to be fair. I understand your frustrations but judge Pulis after about 5 games. This time last year we had the likes of Jason Davidson and Pocognoli in the team, who barely featured in the campaign. There's so much that can and will change in the next month so it's not like we're months into the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 15, 2015, 05:17:14 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 15, 2015, 05:04:04 PM
Could always go back to Pepe Mel with a 17% win rate?
Yes, without having had the benefit of signing any players of his choice. If you want to be Chairman of the Pulis Fan Club (which seems to be more important to you than following your own team), that's fine, but please don't keep trying to dress up sow's ear tactics and performances as silk purses.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 15, 2015, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 15, 2015, 05:01:05 PM
The problem is that people are expecting immediate results and performances. We are still getting a squad together with players coming in and out, the new players have to gel too. Watford were full of confidence after going to Everton and drawing 2-2, we kept them at bay.
I'm not sure how many of them started today, but Watford have signed 10 players during the summer so far. Shouldn't their new players be having to gel too? Shouldn't we have been trying harder to get at them on the counter-attack, rather than starting with 4 slow central midfielders and the full-backs not trying to get forward?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 15, 2015, 05:23:44 PM
Have to discuss the dropping of lescot and Chester JP won't like this especially the 8 million man
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on August 15, 2015, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: paulosull on August 15, 2015, 05:23:44 PM
Have to discuss the dropping of lescot and Chester JP won't like this especially the 8 million man

Got us a clean sheet. Surely that's positive ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 15, 2015, 05:29:34 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on August 15, 2015, 05:25:14 PM
Got us a clean sheet. Surely that's positive ?
point is why spend big money on what looks like a bench warmer and has lescots head been turned by vile
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on August 15, 2015, 05:32:55 PM
He's been on the bench for one game, that doesn't make him a bench warmer.

We have 1 point out of a tricky opening 2 games. That's not bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 15, 2015, 05:38:14 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 15, 2015, 05:17:14 PM
Yes, without having had the benefit of signing any players of his choice. If you want to be Chairman of the Pulis Fan Club (which seems to be more important to you than following your own team), that's fine, but please don't keep trying to dress up sow's ear tactics and performances as silk purses.


Tactics that got a point, but should have been 3 points if your £25million striker didn't miss an open goal from 3 yards?

The club was a mess when he took over. Even the biggest and most biased West Brom fan would have to admit that. 4 different head coaches in 2 seasons. 10 new signings brought in by the recruitment team and only 2 of them turning out to be decent.

Like I said earlier (which you just happened to leave out of the quote) it will take 3 or 4 transfer windows to sort things. Stamping your feet and demanding good football won't speed up the process.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 15, 2015, 05:39:36 PM
We were crying out for width and pace.  He buys McClean and Gnarby and has McManaman fit.  Yet none of them started today.

I'm a Pulis fan but I just don't get his selections at all.   Why buy Chester for £8m and leave him out for McAuley/Olssen?  Why Gardner?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 15, 2015, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on August 15, 2015, 05:32:55 PM
He's been on the bench for one game, that doesn't make him a bench warmer.

We have 1 point out of a tricky opening 2 games. That's not bad.

After 6 years in the prem we should be turning over the newly promoted teams convinsingly rather than going into every game with the mentality that were playing against world beaters.

A gruelling game of football and a bit of workrate on it's own isn't enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 15, 2015, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on August 15, 2015, 05:32:55 PM
He's been on the bench for one game, that doesn't make him a bench warmer.

We have 1 point out of a tricky opening 2 games. That's not bad.
doesn't look good for his album career being dropped after one game and his confidence will be shot. We have gone back to the old guard
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 15, 2015, 05:49:57 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 15, 2015, 05:38:14 PM


Tactics that got a point, but should have been 3 points if your £25million striker didn't miss an open goal from 3 yards?

The club was a mess when he took over. Even the biggest and most biased West Brom fan would have to admit that. 4 different head coaches in 2 seasons. 10 new signings brought in by the recruitment team and only 2 of them turning out to be decent.

Like I said earlier (which you just happened to leave out of the quote) it will take 3 or 4 transfer windows to sort things. Stamping your feet and demanding good football won't speed up the process.

All football in the Premier League should be 'good' the fact of the matter is that Pulis kills any enthusiasm.

The modern day British football dinosaur.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 15, 2015, 06:01:24 PM
Only 2nd game so I'm going to cut Pulis some slack , I can handle being rigid away from home and playing on the break as long as you have an out ball like Jerome Thomas a few years back.
We have Lambert and Saido breaking at the minute , neither quick or tricky enough so I'm baffled by McManaman AND Mclean both ignored for Morrison and Gardner . I'm a Pulis fan but simply isn't good enough or good to watch for the money paid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 15, 2015, 06:04:31 PM
Just watched his interview on sky happy with performance but watch this space on transfers hope to surprise fans with quality of player coming in :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on August 15, 2015, 06:09:52 PM
 HE gets no sympathy when he signs players then doesnt play em!! The team he picked today is 2 years past its sell by date with the exception of Lambert. He has to accept responsibility for what by all accounts was a non performance. He has since his arrival been crying out for the need for wingers/more  then leaves the 2 he has signed on the bench, very very strange !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 15, 2015, 06:14:53 PM
I don't understand the surprise? Away from home Pulis will pack midfield keep it tight and hope we take a chance. Well Berahino missed when it was easier to score, if not we'd be taking home the points
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 15, 2015, 06:37:12 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 15, 2015, 06:14:53 PM
I don't understand the surprise? Away from home Pulis will pack midfield keep it tight and hope we take a chance. Well Berahino missed when it was easier to score, if not we'd be taking home the points
For me it's the surprise of not having at least one wide player starting , he had them at Palace and Stoke....especially after spending on them .I never expect two but I did expect one wide player starting this season like Etherington did at Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 15, 2015, 06:47:53 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 15, 2015, 05:38:14 PM
The club was a mess when he took over. Even the biggest and most biased West Brom fan would have to admit that. 4 different head coaches in 2 seasons. 10 new signings brought in by the recruitment team and only 2 of them turning out to be decent.
Is that a bit like signing 5 players (with McManaman effectively being a 6th) during this transfer window so far and only starting today with 1 one of them?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 15, 2015, 06:58:18 PM
Pulis has two modes defensive and ultra defensive. The flat 4-4-2 with a deep sitting DM is about as negative formation as you could want. Bolting a winger onto is a bit like putting lipstick on a pig. If the winger(s)  gets no quality possession in the oppositions's half they are in effect an auxiliary full back.

Does any of that surprise me? No. This is not going to improve until we get the central midfield sorted or Pulis gives up on 4-4-2 which ain't going to happen so we have to pray that we get a central midfielder in and Fletcher has not gone past his sell by which is something I'm starting to wonder about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 15, 2015, 07:05:35 PM
Pulis has stated in his interview that he was unhappy with the first half and we need to get the balance right between defence and attack. Also that McManaman will be a good player for us but needs to get confidence up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 15, 2015, 07:06:14 PM
i dont get why Fletcher keeps starting, id rather have mulumbu easily 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 15, 2015, 07:07:04 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 15, 2015, 07:05:35 PM
Pulis has stated in his interview that he was unhappy with the first half and we need to get the balance right between defence and attack. Also that McManaman will be a good player for us but needs to get confidence up.

He won't get confidence from sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 15, 2015, 07:12:07 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 15, 2015, 07:05:35 PM
Pulis has stated in his interview that he was unhappy with the first half and we need to get the balance right between defence and attack.
Which interview was that? I've watched two interviews that he's done and he didn't say what I've highlighted in bold, although he did refer to needing to provide Rondon with service, which he mentioned when talking about additional signings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on August 15, 2015, 07:15:17 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 15, 2015, 07:07:04 PM
He won't get confidence from sitting on the bench.

It does sort of make sense though with McManaman. Fantastic in the cup final a couple of years ago, disappointing since. If you want the finished article it'll cost you a lot more than we can afford. McManaman is someone that is flawed but has the raw ability that needs working on which means we can afford him. He can go on to be a very good player but he needs handling carefully. He'll come good if we're patient.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 15, 2015, 07:28:00 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 15, 2015, 07:12:07 PM
Which interview was that? I've watched two interviews that he's done and he didn't say what I've highlighted in bold, although he did refer to needing to provide Rondon with service, which he mentioned when talking about additional signings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWTZ_CL6rhw&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 15, 2015, 07:30:21 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 15, 2015, 06:14:53 PM
I don't understand the surprise? Away from home Pulis will pack midfield keep it tight and hope we take a chance. Well Berahino missed when it was easier to score, if not we'd be taking home the points

When you only create one chance in an entire game you can hardly blame Saudi for missing ( yes he should have scored). You need to create 3-4-5 chances at least. It's not as simple as create one, score one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on August 15, 2015, 07:45:05 PM
Quote from: RedHead_Baggie on August 15, 2015, 05:42:20 PM
After 6 years in the prem we should be turning over the newly promoted teams convinsingly rather than going into every game with the mentality that were playing against world beaters


I bet Sunderland fans were thinking that when Norwich turned up today
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on August 15, 2015, 07:46:26 PM
Same as Everton last week at HOME to Watford.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on August 15, 2015, 07:49:50 PM
Haven't seen any footage but listened to the commentary. .to be honest it sounded like we were a Championship side visiting a Premiership team in the FA Cup....jury is out ..only time will tell...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 15, 2015, 07:51:22 PM
anyone else worried that pulis will probably get the biggest transfer kitty in our history.
do you trust him with any further funding.
I cannot help but think no matter what players he's got at his disposal his style wont change much from what we see now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 15, 2015, 08:00:46 PM
  I hate Pulis's brand of football and today was one of the first away games I have missed for a long time I had enough last year.
  I'll probably get slated for this but the problem for me is Fletcher he is not has good at doing the defensive roll as Yacob and when he plays with Yacob he offers us very little creative wise.
  The best I have seen us play under Pulis was against West Ham in the cup when Fletcher was cup tied and Sess played.
  Fletcher will always start think he was  one of only two  Pulis's signings to start today but from what I have seen he doesn't offer much apart from the captain role but that shouldn't guarantee a starting role but then again the alternative will be Brunt so I'm not sure maybe it does.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 15, 2015, 08:01:00 PM
Unfortunately we have to undure this because we have had 4 coaches in 2 and half years previously and we need some stability. We also have needed some serious squad revamping for a few years. Pulis is a manager for stability and I don't doubt he will leave us far better than when he took over. His mission is the 40 points to stay in the league and beyond and a crack at the cups.

Tactically he needs to sort either his shape out of his personnel in the existin shape. All well and good playing 2 of lambert rondon and Berahino but his midfield selections won't create us anything.

He either has to drop a striker, and play Yacob holding with his central 2 and wingers or he needs to sort out his 442. Fletcher and Yacob together in 442 isn't going to create anything. Need a genuine box to box midfielder to go alongside Yacob. Gardner shouldn't be making the bench unless we have mass suspensions and injuries how he's got 2 games under his belt is a crime.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on August 15, 2015, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on August 15, 2015, 08:01:00 PM
Unfortunately we have to undure this because we have had 4 coaches in 2 and half years previously and we need some stability. We also have needed some serious squad revamping for a few years. Pulis is a manager for stability and I don't doubt he will leave us far better than when he took over. His mission is the 40 points to stay in the league and beyond and a crack at the cups.

Tactically he needs to sort either his shape out of his personnel in the existin shape. All well and good playing 2 of lambert rondon and Berahino but his midfield selections won't create us anything.

He either has to drop a striker, and play Yacob holding with his central 2 and wingers or he needs to sort out his 442. Fletcher and Yacob together in 442 isn't going to create anything. Need a genuine box to box midfielder to go alongside Yacob. Gardner shouldn't be making the bench unless we have mass suspensions and injuries how he's got 2 games under his belt is a crime.


Box to box midfielders went out in the 90's.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on August 15, 2015, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on August 15, 2015, 08:01:00 PM
Unfortunately we have to undure this because we have had 4 coaches in 2 and half years previously and we need some stability. We also have needed some serious squad revamping for a few years. Pulis is a manager for stability and I don't doubt he will leave us far better than when he took over. His mission is the 40 points to stay in the league and beyond and a crack at the cups.

Tactically he needs to sort either his shape out of his personnel in the existin shape. All well and good playing 2 of lambert rondon and Berahino but his midfield selections won't create us anything.

He either has to drop a striker, and play Yacob holding with his central 2 and wingers or he needs to sort out his 442. Fletcher and Yacob together in 442 isn't going to create anything. Need a genuine box to box midfielder to go alongside Yacob. Gardner shouldn't be making the bench unless we have mass suspensions and injuries how he's got 2 games under his belt is a crime.

Agree with the above...but I'm mystified that GMAC and Olson are deemed to be our best central defensive pairing...too Old too slow..surely this was looked at in the close season ?....not looking forward to Chelsea
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 15, 2015, 08:30:25 PM
Early days but it is a bit concerning we keep signing players who cannot get into the first team? I'll personally reserve judgement properly until after 15 games at which time the regular first 11 will be taking shape one way or another.

We still seem pretty imbalanced so I hope to see a top notch ( relatively for us) Centre mid, winger and full backs come in. I have s feeling one or two surprises might be going out too.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 15, 2015, 08:56:39 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on August 15, 2015, 08:08:03 PM
Agree with the above...but I'm mystified that GMAC and Olson are deemed to be our best central defensive pairing...too Old too slow..surely this was looked at in the close season ?....not looking forward to Chelsea
For certain games, Gmac and Olsson will be fine. For instance, Ighalo and Deeney aren't quick, and Deeney especially likes to be physical. Especially as Watford demanded to play through the air, this was fine.

On another day though you're right - we cannot rely on those two for a whole season and I think Pulis knows this. Had Watford played Vydra making runs behind them, they may have looked awful as a pair, but thankfully Watford played into their strengths.

Don't forget also that last season it took both Lescott and McAuley months to break into the first 11 so it's really early days in terms of establishing regular players right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on August 15, 2015, 09:05:53 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on August 15, 2015, 08:08:03 PM
Agree with the above...but I'm mystified that GMAC and Olson are deemed to be our best central defensive pairing...too Old too slow..surely this was looked at in the close season ?....not looking forward to Chelsea

kept a clean sheet didnt they?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on August 15, 2015, 09:15:53 PM
Quote from: paulosull on August 15, 2015, 06:04:31 PM
Just watched his interview on sky happy with performance but watch this space on transfers hope to surprise fans with quality of player coming in :)

Ashley Cole?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 15, 2015, 09:26:02 PM
Quote from: Atomic on August 15, 2015, 08:05:30 PM

Box to box midfielders went out in the 90's.

Someone better tell Yaya Toure then.  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on August 15, 2015, 09:35:23 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on August 15, 2015, 08:00:46 PM
  I hate Pulis's brand of football and today was one of the first away games I have missed for a long time I had enough last year.
  I'll probably get slated for this but the problem for me is Fletcher he is not has good at doing the defensive roll as Yacob and when he plays with Yacob he offers us very little creative wise.
  The best I have seen us play under Pulis was against West Ham in the cup when Fletcher was cup tied and Sess played.
  Fletcher will always start think he was  one of only two  Pulis's signings to start today but from what I have seen he doesn't offer much apart from the captain role but that shouldn't guarantee a starting role but then again the alternative will be Brunt so I'm not sure maybe it does.

You won't get slated by me. I felt at times last season and more so on Monday night he was more captain chaos than captain composure preoccupied with doing everyone else's job plus his own. Sometimes his distribution considering he has been at Man Utd is very poor. We need to get someone in alongside him who can dictate the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 15, 2015, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 15, 2015, 07:28:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWTZ_CL6rhw&feature=youtu.be
Thanks for the link. However, I can't see that he'll get the better balance that he's saying he wants by starting with 4 central midfielders who all lack creativity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 15, 2015, 10:15:35 PM
He doesn't believe in himself.
He wont play those he bought.
He may last a couple of seasons and buy in some players, but until then, we have to follow a team which will not reach any heights.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 15, 2015, 10:18:14 PM
He has built stamina in players (Austrian mountains) we need sprinters as well.
Monday and today showed how sluggish we are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 15, 2015, 10:39:00 PM
Can we keep this on the topic of Pulis please and not other individuals who have their own threads elsewhere.

I am still in his corner but not impressed with selection or performance today. Where I personally will sit with him will come around end September/ October time after the window has been and gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on August 15, 2015, 11:21:43 PM
I'm not too impressed so far. When you buy players in the theory is you plan to use them to improve your starting line up. I'm not seeing any improvement. Its early so I will give him the benefit of the doubt but I hope he plans on buying some attacking midfielders as thats our weakspot right now and both games we have been found wanting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 15, 2015, 11:32:39 PM
From the West Bromwich Albion facebook page.............

Congratulations to Tony Pulis on overseeing the most negative, anti possession, pro time-wasting team in the premier league. I literally see no point in watching another game if this is the way we are going to play in the future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on August 15, 2015, 11:39:07 PM
Under this manager we play to a plan. The plan is to scrap our way to points . Entertainment value is zilch . It's ok signing wingers , how often will we use them?. Absolute tripe . By now we deserve better than this .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 15, 2015, 11:58:39 PM
Quote from: charliemike on August 15, 2015, 11:39:07 PM
Under this manager we play to a plan. The plan is to scrap our way to points . Entertainment value is zilch . It's ok signing wingers , how often will we use them?. Absolute tripe . By now we deserve better than this .

I could have just about understood the tactics if we were away at a top 4 side, but not at a newly promoted one!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on August 16, 2015, 12:20:18 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 15, 2015, 10:39:00 PM
Can we keep this on the topic of Pulis please and not other individuals who have their own threads elsewhere.

I am still in his corner but not impressed with selection or performance today. Where I personally will sit with him will come around end September/ October time after the window has been and gone.

Very similar regarding the bigger picture and backing TP but have to call  today's performance as I witnessed it - when I could still awake that was!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on August 16, 2015, 01:05:57 AM
I don't like his style of play and I have been 'jealous' in a way of Swansea from their first game in the Prem. But.. Pulis has always been successful and there is nothing to suggest he won't be here either. At other clubs they have complained about his style also, but if he is getting the points that keeps us up then he is doing his job and if the quality of players at the Albion keeps improving over time there is a chance to be really competitive in the league and cups. Rondon is just one example of this. He (for my money) is the biggest player we have signed since i have followed the baggies, not just on the money we spent, but one his actual quality and 'name'.

Hopefully Pulis can convince Peace and that to bring in a real quality FB (Cole would be brilliant, but too expensive on wages I suspect) and a creative midfielder that is confident with the ball at his feet.

Then give the team some time to gel and understand their roles.
Mourinho gave extremely high praise to Pulis last season also, I will stay convinced until at least the end of the year (even if I remain extremely disappointed in our game style). If we are bottom 3 at the end of the year, then it isn't working.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 16, 2015, 01:37:25 AM
As I put here a few times, I am by no means a fan of his style of play. But only in late October/November can we really judge. By that point we'll have the team he wants and he'd have had two months to get the lads operating to his design.

If at that point it's still torture to watch, I'd sack him as soon as we're safe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 16, 2015, 01:45:10 AM
Pulis will scrape together the points that are needed for survival. That is what he does. Like today we got a clean sheet and a point away against a weak side that will almost certainly be relegated. But we didn't give them three points to complicate our own survival battle so TP is happy to take the point.

We all know TP has his style and it's all about efficiency. Still, TP himself talks about making us a better side but he himself is often the biggest obstacle for our improvement. TP needs to master himself and grow some balls in games like this if he wants to improve the team. Can he do it? After today I doubt it. I think TP's instincts are far too deeply set in stone but I am open for him to prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 16, 2015, 08:19:49 AM
2 games, how many shots on target?
2 games, what possession %
2 games, how many times have we kept the ball more than 5 passes?

Very early days but our shortcomings are obvious (again). Pulis is suffering as a consequence of 4 poor previous transfer windows.
Not blaming pulis but we seriously need to buy some players in....

I would like to think that when he has the players in that he wants and they are settled he will like palace did. Ultimately he has been here 8 months.

He is trying to put right a pathetic run of transfers - Gamboa vic Sess Davidson ideye?  That's  £21m.... doesn't even include lugano anelka....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jharman292 on August 16, 2015, 08:43:05 AM
I have been very dissapointed by the opening 2 games. Poor team selections which have lead to even poorer performances. However they were both tricky games and Pulis is clearly still far from happy with his squad.

He is no doubt a very good manager and im sure he would have learned from his time at Stoke and Palace and knows he will not survive in a job very long serving up the sort of football that was on offer yesterday. His biggest problem is he has inherited a squad that didnt just need tinkering, it needed changing all together, he will be well aware of the complete lack of pace and power and will look to rectify it over the next 2 weeks.

I fully expect the likes of Gamboa, Poco, Sess, Ideye all to go and i wouldnt be surprised if these were joined by Berahino and Lescott. Long term my hope is that he will set us up in a similar defensive way but just add that pace and power on the break. Pulis is yet to figure out his best 11 and realisticly will not know this until October time.

This is a huge season of change for this football club and i think the experience of Pulis will prove invaluable. Lets see what the next 2 weeks bring.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 16, 2015, 08:46:06 AM
Palace was the exception. He will play like Stoke. We passed the ball ok with these players this time last year under Irvine. Unfortunately it was to no effect. But Pulis is behind the way we play now, noone else. I was planning to drive down from Scotland for a fixture shortly but have decided against it as a round trip that costs about £300 to watch his style of football is not something I want to spend my money on.

Hopefully things will turn around soon, but if he doesnt even play his own signings then I start to lose hope completely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 16, 2015, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: frazzle on August 16, 2015, 08:46:06 AM
Palace was the exception. He will play like Stoke. We passed the ball ok with these players this time last year under Irvine. Unfortunately it was to no effect. But Pulis is behind the way we play now, noone else. I was planning to drive down from Scotland for a fixture shortly but have decided against it as a round trip that costs about £300 to watch his style of football is not something I want to spend my money on.

Hopefully things will turn around soon, but if he doesnt even play his own signings then I start to lose hope completely.

On what basis do you make that statement?

I agree with you that things must improve, but let's see where we are when his transfer window dealings are complete.  I think there will be far more ins and outs than we are expecting as he rebuilds his squad.   The squad will look very different in two weeks time.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 16, 2015, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on August 16, 2015, 08:52:17 AM
On what basis do you make that statement?

I agree with you that things must improve, but let's see where we are when his transfer window dealings are complete.  I think there will be far more ins and outs than we are expecting as he rebuilds his squad.   The squad will look very different in two weeks time.

He had 7 or 8 years at Stoke and built the most cynical side seen in the premier league. He had 6 months at Palace where he made the best of the squad he inherited.

Its just my take on the evidence Ive seen. Add to that the squad selection yesterday where he chose to play with no width yet again, despite talking about width since he joined the club. It just doesnt make sense to me. I actually quite like the guy, i just dont like his approach.

Like you im hoping for some more signings but at some point he will need to actually play them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 16, 2015, 09:36:01 AM
Quote from: frazzle on August 16, 2015, 09:01:35 AM
He had 7 or 8 years at Stoke and built the most cynical side seen in the premier league. He had 6 months at Palace where he made the best of the squad he inherited.

Its just my take on the evidence Ive seen. Add to that the squad selection yesterday where he chose to play with no width yet again, despite talking about width since he joined the club. It just doesnt make sense to me. I actually quite like the guy, i just dont like his approach.

Like you im hoping for some more signings but at some point he will need to actually play them.

100% agree.   I like TP as a person and I like what I hear from him, and then I see his team selection and can't reconcile it!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Vince Pinner on August 16, 2015, 09:37:04 AM
1.  I think people overestimate the quality of the players we have. They are decent lads, but there is no pace in the team so we need solid organisation to get by.
2. People also seem to be confusing the word "negative" with the word "poor". Yesterday's performance was poor, but I doubt very much that Pulis' game plan involved passing to the opposition or launching the ball out of play.
3. He was right to make wholesale changes after Monday. Had he picked the same team, they would have lost again IMO.
4. We need to sign a centre-midfielder who can pass the ball.
5. That's it, thank you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on August 16, 2015, 09:39:17 AM
Quote from: frazzle on August 16, 2015, 09:01:35 AM
He had 7 or 8 years at Stoke and built the most cynical side seen in the premier league. He had 6 months at Palace where he made the best of the squad he inherited.

Its just my take on the evidence Ive seen. Add to that the squad selection yesterday where he chose to play with no width yet again, despite talking about width since he joined the club. It just doesnt make sense to me. I actually quite like the guy, i just dont like his approach.

Like you im hoping for some more signings but at some point he will need to actually play them.
In the time he had at Stoke he built a very solid team who everyone in the league would no doubt of hated playing against. It may not of been entertaining but when has a recent Albion team had that effect on other teams. I like you actually quite like him but do not get or enjoy his football ethos.
I'm guessing his first priority is to get us hard to beat, then fingers crossed he will add the entertainment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on August 16, 2015, 10:02:51 AM
I think he basically went against his instincts with the XI/setup against City that had looked to be functioning pretty well pre-season.  When that backfired he must have realised that we needed not to lose against Watford to try to rebuild some confidence; 0 from 3 would have been a bit depressing, and we won't beat Chelsea again... will we?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 16, 2015, 10:04:32 AM
Sorry I don't buy the "new players" argument he is not short of players he is short of ideas and he isn't going to change. Ultimately he is as bad as as any of the coaches that preceded him in terms of being a one trick pony but the trick is an effective one. 

My only hope now for the Pulis era is that does not extend beyond his current contract and that there is a decent squad of players for his successor to build on like Hughes and Pardew at Stoke and Palace. Yes that's right Hughes and Pardew let that sink in for a moment both are more adventurous coaches than TP that is how negative Pulis is.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 16, 2015, 10:21:00 AM
So many pant wetting, toys out the pram because the football we playing at the moment is not on par with Barcelona.

One of the most important seasons we need to stay up for the windfall from the TV deal, and so many are just trying to force this negative vibe on Pulis, who is one of the best managers at keeping a teams in the premier league.. which should always be our priority. Keep building your negative energy about him.

Get your wish we appoint another Pepe Mel with his 17% win rate and will for sure go down this time. Soon be moaning why we are no longer a premier league club.

You can't have your cake and eat it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 10:25:06 AM
Quote from: Vince Pinner on August 16, 2015, 09:37:04 AM
1.  I think people overestimate the quality of the players we have. They are decent lads, but there is no pace in the team so we need solid organisation to get by.
There's only no pace in the team because the players we have with pace are either sat on the bench or not even in the squad!

Quote from: Vince Pinner on August 16, 2015, 09:37:04 AM
2. People also seem to be confusing the word "negative" with the word "poor". Yesterday's performance was poor, but I doubt very much that Pulis' game plan involved passing to the opposition or launching the ball out of play.
I'm not confusing them. rubbish passing is poor; setting your stall out so that barely anyone of your players cross the half-way line for the first 25-30 minutes is negative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 10:27:25 AM
Quote from: addy on August 16, 2015, 10:21:00 AM
So many pant wetting, toys out the pram
It's actually called "having a different opinion to you", but some of us can have opinions without also slinging pathetic insults around.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 16, 2015, 10:34:10 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 10:27:25 AM
It's actually called "having a different opinion to you", but some of us can have opinions without also slinging pathetic insults around.

Opinion based on two games in a massive transition period where Pulis is building a team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 16, 2015, 10:36:47 AM
Quote from: addy on August 16, 2015, 10:21:00 AM
So many pant wetting, toys out the pram because the football we playing at the moment is not on par with Barcelona.

One of the most important seasons we need to stay up for the windfall from the TV deal, and so many are just trying to force this negative vibe on Pulis, who is one of the best managers at keeping a teams in the premier league.. which should always be our priority. Keep building your negative energy about him.

Get your wish we appoint another Pepe Mel with his 17% win rate and will for sure go down this time. Soon be moaning why we are no longer a premier league club.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

So we stay up, get the windfall then what? Sign some more rubbish British footballers?

No other team in the league has the same mentality as Albion so why do you just accept it?

People go on about the club having a lack of ambition, it appears that a large portion of the fan base refuse to move with the times as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 16, 2015, 10:39:23 AM
Quote from: RedHead_Baggie on August 16, 2015, 10:36:47 AM
So we stay up, get the windfall then what? Sign some more rubbish British footballers?

No other team in the league has the same mentality as Albion so why do you just accept it?

People go on about the club having a lack of ambition, it appears that a large portion of the fan base refuse to move with the times as well.

What like Rondon & Gnabry?

So basically your saying Lambert and Chester are rubbish? Fair enough. Rule them out before they have even started properly, way to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 16, 2015, 10:42:15 AM
Quote from: RedHead_Baggie on August 16, 2015, 10:36:47 AM
So we stay up, get the windfall then what? Sign some more rubbish British footballers?

No other team in the league has the same mentality as Albion so why do you just accept it?

People go on about the club having a lack of ambition, it appears that a large portion of the fan base refuse to move with the times as well.

To be honest that seems to have been the mentality for a while not just under the current management.

Passing is no worse under Pulis than it has been for a few seasons and no its not good enough, same as shooting at times is shocking, again nothing new under the current staff.

I think it will take time for Pulis and he will get us better, stronger and more solid throughout but yesterday was poor. I don't think he's short of ideas, I think some of the current squad have had it certain ways bred into them over the past few years and maybe they are the ones struggling to change. As said I don't think Pulis intended to see the poor passing and poor play from his side yesterday and judging from his actions on the sideline he wasn't impressed with much either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 10:47:20 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 16, 2015, 10:42:15 AM
I think some of the current squad have had it certain ways bred into them over the past few years and maybe they are the ones struggling to change. As said I don't think Pulis intended to see the poor passing and poor play from his side yesterday and judging from his actions on the sideline he wasn't impressed with much either.
Yet he keeps picking the players who are responsible for this week-in, week-out, whilst others who might do better never get a look in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 16, 2015, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 10:47:20 AM
Yet he keeps picking the players who are responsible for this week-in, week-out, whilst others who might do better never get a look in.

The others kept picking them as well, strange breed coaches and managers.

I'm as drunk off as anyone after yesterday, would have been happy to come away with a point before the game but wanted a better performance. I'm not going to join in the Pulis bashing as I can see this squad isn't good enough overall and after seasons of not improving it and be happy to bring in bench warmers (some may argue we've done that so far this window after only 2 games) then it's going to take time. If after the end of the window we don't seem to be making progress by the end of September/ October then i'll start getting concerned, at the moment i'm not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 16, 2015, 10:57:23 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 16, 2015, 10:54:08 AM
The others kept picking them as well, strange breed coaches and managers.

Exactly there is obviously a reason behind the scenes that these players are not getting picked. Teamwork, work ethic, bad attitude w/e. Pulis keeps to alluding to the need to strengthen the team and he is going to do that, with the probable sale of Saido.

Its honestly not fair to judge him until another 3-4 months, let alone after 2 games. Let him have his first summer to build the team he wants, then judge him.

Its a bit like criticizing a builder building a house when he is just starting the foundations.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 16, 2015, 11:03:17 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 10:47:20 AM
Yet he keeps picking the players who are responsible for this week-in, week-out, whilst others who might do better never get a look in.
It is only two matches into the new season, lets wait and see what happens come October time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on August 16, 2015, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 10:47:20 AM
Yet he keeps picking the players who are responsible for this week-in, week-out, whilst others who might do better never get a look in.

No one knows apart from the coaching staff and players what goes on behind the scenes, some players could have had a knock, not been well, been poor all week in training, lacking confidence etc etc, they also analyze the opposition and make a judgement call on tactics and players that would be best suited. They got a clean sheet away from home, so in theory they got the defence right.

It wasn't pretty, it wasn't a stunning performance at all, but we have lost to Citeh a favorite for the title and we got a draw away from home against a team that nearly beat Everton at their gaff last week, who then went on to beat saints yesterday quite convincingly.

So 1 point towards the target of 40, more will follow.

Sorry if that's too positive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 16, 2015, 11:32:23 AM
Quote from: Vince Pinner on August 16, 2015, 09:37:04 AM
2. People also seem to be confusing the word "negative" with the word "poor". Yesterday's performance was poor, but I doubt very much that Pulis' game plan involved passing to the opposition or launching the ball out of play.

Poor or negative it remains the coaches responsibility to sort it out?

Personally I think it is poor because it is negative  8). Playing soo deep and narrow gives you fewer options to relieve pressure and your passing has to be far superior to maintain possession. However, our players are capable and even under these tactics should stay up... it just won't be pretty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 16, 2015, 11:34:01 AM
Quote from: addy on August 16, 2015, 10:21:00 AM
So many pant wetting, toys out the pram because the football we playing at the moment is not on par with Barcelona.

I hate this attitude, I really do.

Attacking football and Barcelona are not mutually exclusive. There is a common ground between being defensively resilient and being willing to actually play some decent football. Pulis has adopted the approach that away from home, we will have no attacking intent and we will stifle the game at any opportunity.

You know, it would be nice to see a team selection where you think 'oh, we're having a go here' rather than 'defending for 0-0 then'. It would also be nice if we could retain the ball, just for a small period of time, where we provide team mates an option to pass and not the customary hoof. It would also be nice to see an actual winger (McMannaman - one Pulis bought) start a game and actually attack a full-back rather than watching Craig Gardner prance about the pitch offering nothing.

So no, none of us want Barcelona tippy tappy rubbish. We just want an Albion side with a bit of intent, i.e making at least a few passes and wide men that might just trouble the opposition.

I would hope that isn't too much to ask for..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 16, 2015, 11:44:55 AM
Everyone needs to chill a bit after two games.

Pulis has criticised the window not shutting until after the season has begun and has been clear he wants quite a few changes to the squad. In other words, wait and see. By mid October, we'll know how we're shaping up.

I'm mystified what consistently good football is. In my Albion supporting life (I'm 38) I've only ever seen flashes of quality attacking football. In fact, I saw some flashes of good football under Irvine, under Pulis, , under RDM, under Clarke, under Mowbray, under Hodgson even under Megson and Robson (albeit less frequently). Each of them had different styles and some of them (not all) were successful. Can't remember much style or success under the short, chaotic Mel period to be fair?

What I'm saying is first a manager and the club he works for is defined by results first, then performances.

Winning brings better football - Everton were great yesterday but pants last week and most of last season with many of the same players.

My 3 steps to heaven are
1) buy better players (in progress)
2) ensure solid foundation so you can win games
3) with confidence from winning, players with better pedigree will begin to play better football


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 16, 2015, 11:55:01 AM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 16, 2015, 11:34:01 AM
I hate this attitude, I really do.

Attacking football and Barcelona are not mutually exclusive. There is a common ground between being defensively resilient and being willing to actually play some decent football. Pulis has adopted the approach that away from home, we will have no attacking intent and we will stifle the game at any opportunity.

You know, it would be nice to see a team selection where you think 'oh, we're having a go here' rather than 'defending for 0-0 then'. It would also be nice if we could retain the ball, just for a small period of time, where we provide team mates an option to pass and not the customary hoof. It would also be nice to see an actual winger (McMannaman - one Pulis bought) start a game and actually attack a full-back rather than watching Craig Gardner prance about the pitch offering nothing.

So no, none of us want Barcelona tippy tappy rubbish. We just want an Albion side with a bit of intent, i.e making at least a few passes and wide men that might just trouble the opposition.

I would hope that isn't too much to ask for..

I am aware of that. So is Pulis, he even alludes to it in his after match press conferences. Its TWO games ffs and he has not even finished his transfer plans, no where near in fact.

Give him 3-4 months I am sure we will be more attacking and still defensively sound.

He is working on getting the balance right and it is better to start from the back, not the front.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on August 16, 2015, 12:15:54 PM
Surely playing in this style won't generate any confidence or morale for the players,apart from the defenders,must be so hard to stay motivated and focused being a striker,so a bit flumaxed about some having a moan about Lambert :/
Pulis needs to change his mindset about our tactics,especially away from home quickly,or else he will lose the fans backing,if we don't get anything to clap and cheer during the game,our famous atmosphere will get even quieter,making matchdays even more dire.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 16, 2015, 12:36:28 PM
For a Pulis side we look a soft touch. I don't mind us not playing a "pressing game" for the full 90 minutes but just to let a team stroll into your box and then try to win the ball back seems, for lack of a better word, foolhardy. Though this is a classic Albion trick, something you think he would have tried to stamp out.

Its the old adage isn't it - The best defence is a good offence. Pulis seems to have forgone millennia of tactical expertise and prescribes to the philosophy - The best offence is a defence which cant tackle for nout.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2015, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 16, 2015, 12:36:28 PM
For a Pulis side we look a soft touch. I don't mind us not playing a "pressing game" for the full 90 minutes but just to let a team stroll into your box and then try to win the ball back seems, for lack of a better word, foolhardy. Though this is a classic Albion trick, something you think he would have tried to stamp out.

Its the old adage isn't it - The best defence is a good offence. Pulis seems to have forgone millennia of tactical expertise and prescribes to the philosophy - The best offence is a defence which cant tackle for nout.

They never looked like scoring yesterday and we missed an open goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 16, 2015, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2015, 12:41:42 PM
They never looked like scoring yesterday and we missed an open goal.

Your right. I think I have said this somewhere on here before but if you only create one chance you can hardly blame the strikers. Ronaldo would have forgotten how to score before the chance fell to him in that game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on August 16, 2015, 12:55:34 PM
Does pulis favour a 451? I think he's trying to get rid of berahino and we will end up just playing rondon up top with the two wingers supporting him and an attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 16, 2015, 01:01:14 PM
Quote from: baggie96 on August 16, 2015, 12:55:34 PM
Does pulis favour a 451? I think he's trying to get rid of berahino and we will end up just playing rondon up top with the two wingers supporting him and an attacking midfielder.

Nope.

He wants to play 4-4-2 - just needs better quality on wings and in midfield.

His difficulty will be juggling the personalities and disappointment with not being picked week in, week out.

Phillips, creative midfielder, 2 x full backs needed to get a balanced squad. Get those in, and Pulis will have no defence if we continue to play consistently negative football.

Let's remember, at Palace, he had those quick wingers and good midfielders for the 'turn around' - defence in to attack etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 16, 2015, 01:02:54 PM
Quote from: baggie96 on August 16, 2015, 12:55:34 PM
Does pulis favour a 451? I think he's trying to get rid of berahino and we will end up just playing rondon up top with the two wingers supporting him and an attacking midfielder.

Could be true, when they are all fit you have Lambert (hoping for an England spot), Berahino (hoping for an England spot)and Rondon (Venuzuelan international and record signing.
Playing the way we play at the moment its not possible to accommodate all three players
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on August 16, 2015, 01:09:38 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on August 16, 2015, 01:02:54 PM
Could be true, when they are all fit you have Lambert (hoping for an England spot), Berahino (hoping for an England spot)and Rondon (Venuzuelan international and record signing.
Playing the way we play at the moment its not possible to accommodate all three players

I'd be happy to cash in on berahino but I'd want £25million minimum. I think we suit 451 a lot better and in all honesty berahino wasn't scoring too often under pulis. Think he only scored v Chelsea in the last 2 months of the season. I think praet or phillips would be better than berahino in the cam role. Gives the wingers more freedom as well if there is a natural midfielder in the Attacking mid role.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 16, 2015, 01:30:18 PM
Here is my take on it...

Pulis has three types of performances:

Ugly
Rolls over
Impressive win

Against Man City, it was always looking like a 'roll over'. Last year, we also got battered by Spurs 3-0 at home - and this is when Pulis gets his tactics wrong and it all looks pretty awful. It looks like Man City will be a top 3 team this season, so although it's demoralising, a big loss to Man City isn't unexpected, it's just a shame it came as our first game.

The performance vs Watford was definitely 'ugly'. Pulis got a point, a clean sheet and a lot of positive signs in comparison to the City game, which was always the case vs lesser opposition. However, with the City result still being fresh and relevant, it makes it look even worse, just look at the table for instance.

I assume we will have a 'roll over' performance vs Chelsea, or possibly an 'ugly' loss - and I assume the result will be even more fan backlash.

However, Pulis being Pulis means I also expect us to win one of Stoke and Southampton and then things will look a lot better. I don't know why so many people are upset - we all know Pulis has ugly performances in him, and we all know his teams can get swept aside. However, will our other games be like the past 2?
By and large, no. Our home performances (apart from playing the top 3) will all be competitive, ok football and pick up points. Even our away games will grind out the odd win and impressive point. However, to make out we will be always like this is obsurd. We drew twice 0-0 away last season with Pulis, and they were definitely ugly games, but to make out all his games were like this is fantasy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 16, 2015, 02:39:22 PM
id be very surprised if there was not a very iminent tough conversation coming his way ?
He may have a proven record of points and formula etc , but we are not a club that can afford to pay 8m and 5.5m for players who get dropped after 1 match (out of position) and/or get 3 mins to change a match .
how can he possibly justify playing olsson and Gmac ahead of lescott and chester ?, crazy decisions that stink of "im in charge and its my way".
I know lescott has things on his mind but if you are good enough for the bench you should be good enough to start?
I admire you guys that still go , i mean it i really do , but my decision not to renew was made almost the moment we took on TP, I dont hate him , in fact i respect what he can do and his record, but id respect at stoke/swansea/everton , i dont want him engineering safety at any cost for my team , and for what its worth I think we had enough in the squad so that anyone (even irvine) would have kept them safe .
Businesswise I get the decision , but now we will reap what we sow and sowing 8m and 5.5m here and there not to use is way beyond us and will come back to bite .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 16, 2015, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on August 16, 2015, 02:39:22 PM
id be very surprised if there was not a very iminent tough conversation coming his way ?
He may have a proven record of points and formula etc , but we are not a club that can afford to pay 8m and 5.5m for players who get dropped after 1 match (out of position) and/or get 3 mins to change a match .
how can he possibly justify playing olsson and Gmac ahead of lescott and chester ?, crazy decisions that stink of "im in charge and its my way".
I know lescott has things on his mind but if you are good enough for the bench you should be good enough to start?
I admire you guys that still go , i mean it i really do , but my decision not to renew was made almost the moment we took on TP, I dont hate him , in fact i respect what he can do and his record, but id respect at stoke/swansea/everton , i dont want him engineering safety at any cost for my team , and for what its worth I think we had enough in the squad so that anyone (even irvine) would have kept them safe .
Businesswise I get the decision , but now we will reap what we sow and sowing 8m and 5.5m here and there not to use is way beyond us and will come back to bite .
But how do you know that the money being spent is not the money of new owners ? What if the suspended sale is suddenly announced after 1st September ? seems like a plan to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 16, 2015, 04:21:27 PM
Ive been banging the drum since pulis took charge.

Tony Pulis is a dinosaur.

He WILL ruin our club.

Gave my villa ticket up after yesterday, im not going there to be embarrassed AGAIN. Last season was hard enough.

The football is tripe at very best.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 16, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on August 16, 2015, 03:20:22 PM
But how do you know that the money being spent is not the money of new owners ? What if the suspended sale is suddenly announced after 1st September ? seems like a plan to me.
I dont , but id be surprised if any new owners wanted 8m players benched after one game out of position??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on August 16, 2015, 04:59:41 PM
I see Man City are pummeling Chelsea who have Begovic to thank that the game isn't already over.
Maybe we should get 10 games under our belt before we decide all the new players and Pulis are useless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 16, 2015, 05:02:01 PM
Quote from: KYA on August 16, 2015, 04:59:41 PM
I see Man City are pummeling Chelsea who have Begovic to thank that the game isn't already over.
Maybe we should get 10 games under our belt before we decide all the new players and Pulis are useless.

Hard to know how if they're useless if Pulis doesn't play them :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 16, 2015, 05:48:38 PM
Wonder if Chelsea fans will be calling for mourinhos head, like some clowns on here the other night after the city loss, they could have scored more than 3 against Chelsea aswell tbh give tp a chance come December we will be playing better football mark my words
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 16, 2015, 05:51:02 PM
Sensible and accurate post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 16, 2015, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 16, 2015, 05:48:38 PM
Wonder if Chelsea fans will be calling for mourinhos head, like some clowns on here the other night after the city loss, they could have scored more than 3 against Chelsea aswell tbh give tp a chance come December we will be playing better football mark my words

A loss to city understandable, being effectively bossed by Watford less so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 16, 2015, 07:13:30 PM
I could have swore we got a valuable away point.. But hey the haters going to hate!.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 16, 2015, 07:30:19 PM
I don't hate Pulis.

I hate his brand of football away from home.

At home to be fair has been a different matter - whilst we haven't been brilliant we have been winning games.

Away from home however is complete tripe. It is mind-numbingly boring. Is there anything more embarrassing than watching your side blatantly waste time from the moment the referee blows his whistle?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 16, 2015, 07:32:53 PM
Still no calmer now and I won't hide the fact I don't like the bloke either, I hope it gets better I really do but I have major concerns about the possibility of this guy ruining our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on August 16, 2015, 07:36:04 PM
Pulis gives fans no reason to go to away games, some games will cost fans well over £100 (and a lot more if it's a family going), and they are expected to go and watch us have no intent of winning or even trying to win the game, attendances away will start dropping as the season goes on if this still carries on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ben1983 on August 16, 2015, 07:42:07 PM
He spent a lot at Stjoke, 8million for Palacios

I think one more season with him then it's on to the next one
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 16, 2015, 08:02:39 PM
But we will pick up more away points than any previous manager since Hodgson..I am very happy with that.. Unless I change my mind and prefer glorious but loosing "entertainment":-)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Vince Pinner on August 16, 2015, 08:26:06 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 10:25:06 AM
There's only no pace in the team because the players we have with pace are either sat on the bench or not even in the squad!

I'm not confusing them. rubbish passing is poor; setting your stall out so that barely anyone of your players cross the half-way line for the first 25-30 minutes is negative.

Who are these mysterious speed merchants you fail to mention? Rondon and Gnabry have been here two minutes, but the rest? And don't say Gamboa, last time I saw him play he was complete bobbins at Hednesford last season.

As for that first 30 minutes, that's the worst I have seen us play in ages. Don't see any tactics apart from sheer panic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 16, 2015, 08:36:44 PM
Quote from: Ben1983 on August 16, 2015, 07:42:07 PM
He spent a lot at Stjoke, 8million for Palacios

I think one more season with him then it's on to the next one

All managers make poor signings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 08:51:21 PM
Quote from: Vince Pinner on August 16, 2015, 08:26:06 PM
Who are these mysterious speed merchants you fail to mention? Rondon and Gnabry have been here two minutes, but the rest? And don't say Gamboa, last time I saw him play he was complete bobbins at Hednesford last season.
McClean? McManaman? Sessegnon? Sounds like a big, important game you saw where Gamboa wasn't 100% up for it....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 16, 2015, 09:00:03 PM
We played beautiful football under Mowbray where did it get us ? Up down up down no thanks we need stability and it's being provided .... Give him a couple transfer windows we will be a solid counter attacking team, you will start seeing it come together you wait and see
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 16, 2015, 09:00:03 PM
We played beautiful football under Mowbray where did it get us ?
A league title, a play-off final and an FA Cup semi-final as I recall.

Oh yes and top scorers in all 4 divisions (88 goals) in 2007-08.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 16, 2015, 09:11:28 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 16, 2015, 09:00:03 PM
We played beautiful football under Mowbray where did it get us ? Up down up down no thanks we need stability and it's being provided .... Give him a couple transfer windows we will be a solid counter attacking team, you will start seeing it come together you wait and see
he's lucky to get this amount of money to spend once cant see him getting twice if a majority of his buys don't get a game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 16, 2015, 09:14:45 PM
The Sunday Times describes us as lifeless with long bouts of time wasting like early vintage Stoke.

Not want I want to see written about us and my worst fears are coming true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 16, 2015, 09:18:14 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
A league title, a play-off final and an FA Cup semi-final as I recall.

Oh yes and top scorers in all 4 divisions (88 goals) in 2007-08.

Hard to argue with that!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 16, 2015, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
A league title, a play-off final and an FA Cup semi-final as I recall.

Oh yes and top scorers in all 4 divisions (88 goals) in 2007-08.

And bottom of the Premier League.

Pulis and his Stoke side showed us up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 16, 2015, 09:29:57 PM
Problem is we are in the Premier League now and pardon the pun its a different league to the Championship where we were one of the big boys, we're in the lower part of that league and if as proved previously we were to play that way now we'd be back in the Championship after one year.

We've got a bloke in who realises this squad ain't all its made out to be and it needs changing. I don't think he's Corberan and I was just as drunk off as everyone else yesterday after travelling to watch that dross but he did the job last season of keeping us up which is what he was brought in to do so deserves the chance to get it right and with the window still open then comings and goings will happen.

He may turn out to be a success, he may turn out to be failure, who knows ? but after two games we have the same points as last seasons Premier League champions who also got stuffed against Man City.

You can't have it all ways. This club has been employing up and coming, untried Head Coaches  over the past few years and none have been a success and we've been left with an aging squad with a few benchwarmers so they change tack and bring in a experienced hand who makes it well known how he feels about the squad and people are demanding instant results.

No I don't want to watch dross like yesterday regularly and I would love to see goals or even shots but i'm not at the panic stations after two games of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 16, 2015, 09:32:54 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 16, 2015, 09:24:58 PM
And bottom of the Premier League.

Pulis and his Stoke side showed us up.

The Mowbray team wasn't strong enough and hadn't been built on 4/5 consecutive seasons in the top flight. The Pulls team of today still has Mowbray players. Pulls will have the biggest budget of any Albion manager and he has to play the players he brings in - IN THEIR PROPER FUDGING POSITIONS -  otherwise what is the point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 09:34:48 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 16, 2015, 09:24:58 PM
And bottom of the Premier League.

Pulis and his Stoke side showed us up.
What do you reckon Pulis would have been able to do with this squad (not all of whom were at the club all season in 2008-09 of course):

GK: Dean Kiely, Scott Carson, Luke Daniels
DF: Carl Hoefkens, Paul Robinson, Marek Cech, Leon Barnett, Neil Clement, Gianni Zuiverloon, Abdoulaye Meite, Shelton Martis, Jonas Olsson, Pele, Ryan Donk
MF: Robert Koren, Jonathan Greening, Kim Do-Heon, Graham Dorrans, Filipe Teixeira, Juan Carlos Menseguez, James Morrison, Borja Valero, Chris Brunt, Youssouf Mulumbu,
FW: Roman Bednar, Ishmael Miller, Craig Beattie, Luke Moore, Jay Simpson, Marc-Antoine Fortuné, Chris Wood
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 16, 2015, 09:40:32 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
A league title, a play-off final and an FA Cup semi-final as I recall.

Oh yes and top scorers in all 4 divisions (88 goals) in 2007-08.
Yeah and a wasted trip to that bog ole Wembley only to be defeated by a more realistic manager on the day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on August 16, 2015, 09:47:12 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 16, 2015, 09:29:57 PM
Problem is we are in the Premier League now and pardon the pun its a different league to the Championship where we were one of the big boys, we're in the lower part of that league and if as proved previously we were to play that way now we'd be back in the Championship after one year.

We've got a bloke in who realises this squad ain't all its made out to be and it needs changing. I don't think he's Corberan and I was just as drunk off as everyone else yesterday after travelling to watch that dross but he did the job last season of keeping us up which is what he was brought in to do so deserves the chance to get it right and with the window still open then comings and goings will happen.

He may turn out to be a success, he may turn out to be failure, who knows ? but after two games we have the same points as last seasons Premier League champions who also got stuffed against Man City.

You can't have it all ways. This club has been employing up and coming, untried Head Coaches  over the past few years and none have been a success and we've been left with an aging squad with a few benchwarmers so they change tack and bring in a experienced hand who makes it well known how he feels about the squad and people are demanding instant results.

No I don't want to watch dross like yesterday regularly and I would love to see goals or even shots but i'm not at the panic stations after two games of the season.
Agreed. How many times under mowbray did we moan about being to soft. What we have is grit and steel something that we have lacked for many seasons. TP will get it right. It takes time we have been dog s*** for 4 seasons its not going to happen over night.

We'll be top 10 come may.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 16, 2015, 09:51:22 PM
Quote from: Tipton Baggie on August 16, 2015, 09:47:12 PM
Agreed. How many times under mowbray did we moan about being to soft. What we have is grit and steel something that we have lacked for many seasons. TP will get it right. It takes time we have been dog s*** for 4 seasons its not going to happen over night.

We'll be top 10 come may.
Come come...don't sell us cheap mate!! :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 16, 2015, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 09:34:48 PM
What do you reckon Pulis would have been able to do with this squad (not all of whom were at the club all season in 2008-09 of course):

GK: Dean Kiely, Scott Carson, Luke Daniels
DF: Carl Hoefkens, Paul Robinson, Marek Cech, Leon Barnett, Neil Clement, Gianni Zuiverloon, Abdoulaye Meite, Shelton Martis, Jonas Olsson, Pele, Ryan Donk
MF: Robert Koren, Jonathan Greening, Kim Do-Heon, Graham Dorrans, Filipe Teixeira, Juan Carlos Menseguez, James Morrison, Borja Valero, Chris Brunt, Youssouf Mulumbu,
FW: Roman Bednar, Ishmael Miller, Craig Beattie, Luke Moore, Jay Simpson, Marc-Antoine Fortuné, Chris Wood

Stronger squad than Stoke had in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 16, 2015, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: Tipton Baggie on August 16, 2015, 09:47:12 PM
Agreed. How many times under mowbray did we moan about being to soft. What we have is grit and steel something that we have lacked for many seasons. TP will get it right. It takes time we have been dog s*** for 4 seasons its not going to happen over night.

We'll be top 10 come may.

If we finish top 10 shinny the beers on me last away game!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 16, 2015, 10:34:57 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
A league title, a play-off final and an FA Cup semi-final as I recall.

Oh yes and top scorers in all 4 divisions (88 goals) in 2007-08.
Wouldn't swap those times but Mowbray was a false prophet , not many managers inherit a side at that level with the likes of Greening , Gera and Phillips .
Again loved the Cup run but who did we beat on the way ? , Coventry , Peterborough and Bristol Rovers......loved him but as proven at Celtic and Middlesborough couldn't defend for toffee.
Another that failed against Pulis and Stoke!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on August 17, 2015, 07:56:09 AM
Quote from: maccbaggie on August 15, 2015, 04:03:03 PM
If survival is the be all and end all, fair enough.

If you're a fan who wants to watch your team play football and results aren't everything, the sooner Pulis goes the better

This is a old chestnut & most supporters in the past have said its ok to play negative football as long has its in the prem,  :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 17, 2015, 08:06:40 AM
Whatever you think of Pulis , I can't think of a club he's left in a worse state to when he joined financially or footballing wise. Clubs he's managed have gone on to further success. Could be worse, imagine Harry Redknapp, we might be left bankrupt, with an old, under motivated squad after he let.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 17, 2015, 08:23:02 AM
Quote from: Ben1983 on August 16, 2015, 07:42:07 PM
He spent a lot at Stjoke, 8million for Palacios

I think one more season with him then it's on to the next one

3 seasons after Pulis left and the Stoke side is still made up of his signings. The game against West Brom last season saw 8 Pulis signings in the starting XI.

Palacios didn't work out, but on paper Stoke fans were more excited about him than Crouch and Jerome whom were signed on the same day. That was also the season where Stoke were in the Europa League and needed those experienced bodies at the end of the window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 17, 2015, 09:28:48 AM
Quote from: geoff on August 17, 2015, 07:56:09 AM
This is a old chestnut & most supporters in the past have said its ok to play negative football as long has its in the prem,  :-[


The boos at full time Saturday suggests different I originally thought the same I think our support is more split now than its ever been tbh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 17, 2015, 09:30:25 AM
Can't believe people are talking about Pulis this way.  He's not been here 5 mins really.  He came in when we looked doomed - turned us around and we finished in a healthy position.  Assuming we don't go down he realistically deserves 2-3 seasons in charge before we should even be thinking about replacing. 

We have to realise that the Premiership is a tough place. Outside the top 6-7 it's a mad scramble for the rest of the positions.  Fortunately I think we're in the group that should be considered midtable but there's not much difference in the teams that finish 17th and the ones that finish 9th\10th. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 17, 2015, 09:33:03 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 17, 2015, 08:23:02 AM
3 seasons after Pulis left and the Stoke side is still made up of his signings. The game against West Brom last season saw 8 Pulis signings in the starting XI.

Palacios didn't work out, but on paper Stoke fans were more excited about him than Crouch and Jerome whom were signed on the same day. That was also the season where Stoke were in the Europa League and needed those experienced bodies at the end of the window.

You lost 1-0  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 17, 2015, 09:42:07 AM
The in house arguments i heard and saw on saturday over the way we play football was a concern, its definitely 50/50
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 17, 2015, 10:28:53 AM
I am happy to pick up whatever points we can over the first 2 months of the season, but by the end of September there has got to be a marked improvement in style, play and results. 

I can understand setting your team up to contain the initial positivity of a newly promoted team, but there has to be a plan to progress and gradually take control of the game once the initial excitement has been stuffed out.

To think it's worth a risk to play McClean against one of the title favourites, but not to start any wingers against a newly promoted club is odd.

Pulis himself talks about the transition from defence to attack being the problem, but he said the same things way back, maybe as long ago as January.  He's spent £25m since then, but doesn't seem to have addressed this.

Once the season has settled down, and any new signings are up to speed, I don't see the fans being very accepting of the type of tactics and display we saw on Saturday (or Monday really). 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 17, 2015, 10:47:31 AM
The telling thing about the Stoke line up against us last season was who Pulis didn't sign i.e. both full backs and the formation in which they played which was a 4-2-3-1. Hughes had the sense not to throw the baby out with the bath water but while the personnel remain the same Stoke City are a very different beast to the one that existed under Pulis.

I absolutely accept that we needed someone to preserve our Premier League status after some very haphazard decisions but I've always felt uneasy about the longer term impact of a coach whose approach is so utterly negative. We are in our sixth straight season in the Premier League and the novelty of just being here has long worn off (as it did at Stoke) fans might understand that we are not competing at the top end of the league but playing the worst football in the league to secure a mid-table finish is a tough sell.

As someone else pointed out there is not a lot of difference between most of the teams outside the top 6 or 7 but now that Alladyce has moved on we are the ones that not even trying to play football. Norwich put Sunderland to the sword on Saturday they are a team in disarray much the same as they were last year and what did we do when we went there? You guessed it slugged out a 0:0 draw.

I renewed my season ticket because I support the club through thick and thin but I am two games into the season and I am seriously not looking forward to going to watch it. I don't travel away much but I am very reluctant to travel to watch this at all. Yes I will be pleased when we get results and the occasional good performance but overall I am rapidly losing the will to carry on watching this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 17, 2015, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 17, 2015, 08:23:02 AM
3 seasons after Pulis left and the Stoke side is still made up of his signings. The game against West Brom last season saw 8 Pulis signings in the starting XI.

Palacios didn't work out, but on paper Stoke fans were more excited about him than Crouch and Jerome whom were signed on the same day. That was also the season where Stoke were in the Europa League and needed those experienced bodies at the end of the window.

It isn't actually much of a shock that a team, with players under contract, remain similar after managers leave. We have had three managers since the time that Pulis left Stoke and still have 8 or 9 squad members who feature in the first team from that time. What is more impressive is that Tony Mowbray left at the end of 2008-9 and we still have 3 first team regulars from his time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 17, 2015, 11:11:16 AM
There was a poster who put a few reasons on the season ticket thread as to why he wasn't renewing sorry i forget the username apologies for that however this guy really is hitting home now about hes decision to not attend on a regular basis unfortunately.

Playing players out of position is getting far to common at the Albion now dating back a good few years and starting with brunt in centre mid and odemwingie being put on the wing and its got to the point now with saido that i wish him pastures new elsewhere as its just to frustrating.

If a team turns up at the hawthorns with a goal in them and the bit between there teeth we wont go on to win the game, Dont get me wrong if we can win the majority of home games 1 or 2 nil then we will stay up but realistically we know that wont happen every week.

Actually cutting Pulis some flack here the only qualm is that hes another head coach/manager who is not changing anything.

Unfortunately its got to the point where i will very rarely be going this season i think and i only say that because for the first time i have no desire to go to stoke or the home game against vale but i salute those that do and your a credit to the club.

Still love them though  :D.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 17, 2015, 11:48:22 AM
I can’t stand the man nor his complete mismanagement of this football club.
 
The football is absolutely turgid and is steadily getting worse, it now feels like an achievement when we string more than 3 passes together.  The frustrating thing is that we have good players; Foster, Lescott, Chester, Yacob, Sess and Berahino would walk into most mid-level Premiership teams yet Pulis can’t formulate a team selection or tactics other than a back line compromising of three centre backs and a left sided midfielder, engineering a static pedestrian midfield who offer no imagination but of course work  “very very hard” and a big man and a little man up top.  The bloke is an absolute dinosaur.

What exactly has Pocognoli done to be complexly frozen out the first team squad bar being an actual full back?  Why is Peace allowing him to literally spunk £5MILLION of the clubs money up the wall on a goalkeeper when we have two very capable senior keepers and two highly rated youngsters?  Why is he preferring that fat lump of a lazy waster Anichebe over Ideye.  The thought of Pulis selling Berahino and being trusted with the funds is truly terrifying, like a demented fat kid in a candy shop, probably buy some more plodding midfielders like Joey Barton who work “very very very very f***ing hard”.

The away performances are so poor, infact have we even scored a goal in open play away from home in 2015?  I have yet to attend a game this season and its going to be a struggle under Pulis, can’t wait for the day the bloke is gone.  CAN.NOT.WAIT.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 17, 2015, 11:50:12 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 17, 2015, 11:48:22 AM
I can’t stand the man nor his complete mismanagement of this football club.
 
The football is absolutely turgid and is steadily getting worse, it now feels like an achievement when we string more than 3 passes together.  The frustrating thing is that we have good players; Foster, Lescott, Chester, Yacob, Sess and Berahino would walk into most mid-level Premiership teams yet Pulis can’t formulate a team selection or tactics other than a back line compromising of three centre backs and a left sided midfielder, engineering a static pedestrian midfield who offer no imagination but of course work  “very very hard” and a big man and a little man up top.  The bloke is an absolute dinosaur.

What exactly has Pocognoli done to be complexly frozen out the first team squad bar being an actual full back?  Why is Peace allowing him to literally spunk £5MILLION of the clubs money up the wall on a goalkeeper when we have two very capable senior keepers and two highly rated youngsters?  Why is he preferring that fat lump of a lazy waster Anichebe over Ideye.  The thought of Pulis selling Berahino and being trusted with the funds is truly terrifying, like a demented fat kid in a candy shop, probably buy some more plodding midfielders like Joey Barton who work “very very very very f***ing hard”.

The away performances are so poor, infact have we even scored a goal in open play away from home in 2015?  I have yet to attend a game this season and its going to be a struggle under Pulis, can’t wait for the day the bloke is gone.  CAN.NOT.WAIT.

Wow. I feel your pain  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 17, 2015, 12:19:05 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 17, 2015, 11:48:22 AM
I can’t stand the man nor his complete mismanagement of this football club.
 
The football is absolutely turgid and is steadily getting worse, it now feels like an achievement when we string more than 3 passes together.  The frustrating thing is that we have good players; Foster, Lescott, Chester, Yacob, Sess and Berahino would walk into most mid-level Premiership teams yet Pulis can’t formulate a team selection or tactics other than a back line compromising of three centre backs and a left sided midfielder, engineering a static pedestrian midfield who offer no imagination but of course work  “very very hard” and a big man and a little man up top.  The bloke is an absolute dinosaur.

What exactly has Pocognoli done to be complexly frozen out the first team squad bar being an actual full back?  Why is Peace allowing him to literally spunk £5MILLION of the clubs money up the wall on a goalkeeper when we have two very capable senior keepers and two highly rated youngsters?  Why is he preferring that fat lump of a lazy waster Anichebe over Ideye.  The thought of Pulis selling Berahino and being trusted with the funds is truly terrifying, like a demented fat kid in a candy shop, probably buy some more plodding midfielders like Joey Barton who work “very very very very f***ing hard”.

The away performances are so poor, infact have we even scored a goal in open play away from home in 2015?  I have yet to attend a game this season and its going to be a struggle under Pulis, can’t wait for the day the bloke is gone.  CAN.NOT.WAIT.
Best post i have seen for a long time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 17, 2015, 12:33:44 PM
We've been round in circles so many times with coaches haven't we.

Irvine regarded as 'the best coach in the World' by some in the game, RDM went on to win the Champions League, Roy went on to manage England although by many he's been thought of as old fashioned. Clarke, Mowbray, Megson, Robson all added something and generally left at least some positives. Only Pepe Mel and Irvine could you say left without adding much of a legacy at the club for whatever reason. Although you could even argue Mel was a good PR guy at a difficult time, allowing Downing to coach us to safety unhindered by the press and Irvine helped to bring in Lescott and developed Berahino so they've all left their mark somehow.

So far, Pulis kept us up during a very tough season when any other appointment I think would have seen us relegated (we wouldn't have been big enough for Sherwood's ego). This was at a time when our squad had been badly neglected for years. To me he's not Corberan nor a naughty boy :P ! I do think it'll take anyone longer than a few weeks/ months to get us playing well and winning again.

If he left tomorrow, he'd have kept us up and brought in a couple of promising players - Chester, Lambert and Mcmanaman for instance. He wouldn't go down as someone fondly remembered to be honest but will have done ok.

He'll leave some good and bad behind when he does leave. In the meantime, I'm not sure I'd trust anyone other than a tried, tested premier league manager to rebuild the squad which is why I'm going with the flow - perhaps I've feel I've seen it all before.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 17, 2015, 12:46:56 PM
I think we've proved in the past that we can play decent football but also be solid whilst getting results. Hodgson proved this and so did Clarke for a period. What I think it really grating with some people is why have we become so anti football. Why can't our players put more than 5 passes together? We have a core of players still playing from these day so why can't we get the basics right?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 17, 2015, 12:47:10 PM
There was a reason a lot of us took to Pepe Mel; there is a reason a lot of us still hold Tony Mowbray in high esteem.

We know we're never going to be competing for honours on a regular basis, so we might as well have the entertaining football, and see some goals. Whatever the result, knowing that you've played good football and seen some goals can make the weekend.

But a lot of people - mostly the people who prioritise result over performance or progress - wanted Pulis. Be careful what you wish for.

We knew what we were getting thanks to his Stoke team. I used to hate them, and I worry that I'm going to start hating us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wabooz on August 17, 2015, 01:00:16 PM
Well, I'm going to remain calm and see how we get on for the rest of the season.

I'll reserve any complaints until AT LEAST the end of the season, because I for one am tired of the consistent chopping and changing. We need stability and solidarity. After that we can start to worry about how pretty the football is.

As a side note - we haven't played decent football for years - I don't know where these fans are getting the idea that we have done. Therefore, I'll take giving Pulis at minimum a season to see how he gets on. I certainly won't be making myself look like a ridiculous spoiled child by complaining way before the transfer window even ends  :P
 
 
Also kind of glad Brunt is at LB. A number of fans worship him just because he's done good things in the past. Unfortunately we don't get any League Points for memories, and he offers very little going forward. He has the ability, but he just turns around and passes backwards 90% of the time when playing on the wing. Having a great left foot doesn't do a lot when you refuse to get down the wing and use it.

I think our midfield has dragged us down for years, it's not as if strikers are missing 1 on 1s all the time. Players like Brunt, Morrison and Gardner now, are just providing almost 0 attacking opportunities; and they all look scared of the ball!

Anyhoo, best of luck Mr Pulis, I will be supporting you and the team; hopefully we can finally build a platform to go forward with instead of tearing it down every 6 months.

Edit: forgot to mention, do you really think Stoke would be doing what they are now if not for the base built by Pulis? Let's get to a position where we can afford to complain about the style of football yeah?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 17, 2015, 01:01:22 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 17, 2015, 11:48:22 AM
I can’t stand the man nor his complete mismanagement of this football club.
 
The football is absolutely turgid and is steadily getting worse, it now feels like an achievement when we string more than 3 passes together.  The frustrating thing is that we have good players; Foster, Lescott, Chester, Yacob, Sess and Berahino would walk into most mid-level Premiership teams yet Pulis can’t formulate a team selection or tactics other than a back line compromising of three centre backs and a left sided midfielder, engineering a static pedestrian midfield who offer no imagination but of course work  “very very hard” and a big man and a little man up top.  The bloke is an absolute dinosaur.

What exactly has Pocognoli done to be complexly frozen out the first team squad bar being an actual full back?  Why is Peace allowing him to literally spunk £5MILLION of the clubs money up the wall on a goalkeeper when we have two very capable senior keepers and two highly rated youngsters?  Why is he preferring that fat lump of a lazy waster Anichebe over Ideye.  The thought of Pulis selling Berahino and being trusted with the funds is truly terrifying, like a demented fat kid in a candy shop, probably buy some more plodding midfielders like Joey Barton who work “very very very very f***ing hard”.

The away performances are so poor, infact have we even scored a goal in open play away from home in 2015?  I have yet to attend a game this season and its going to be a struggle under Pulis, can’t wait for the day the bloke is gone.  CAN.NOT.WAIT.

Nail well and truly hit on the head.

I aint going to waste my money to watch the tripe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 17, 2015, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: wabooz on August 17, 2015, 01:00:16 PM
Well, I'm going to remain calm and see how we get on for the rest of the season.

I'll reserve any complaints until AT LEAST the end of the season, because I for one am tired of the consistent chopping and changing. We need stability and solidarity. After that we can start to worry about how pretty the football is.

As a side note - we haven't played decent football for years - I don't know where these fans are getting the idea that we have done. Therefore, I'll take giving Pulis at minimum a season to see how he gets on. I certainly won't be making myself look like a ridiculous spoiled child by complaining way before the transfer window even ends  :P
 
 
Also kind of glad Brunt is at LB. A number of fans worship him just because he's done good things in the past. Unfortunately we don't get any League Points for memories, and he offers very little going forward. He has the ability, but he just turns around and passes backwards 90% of the time when playing on the wing. Having a great left foot doesn't do a lot when you refuse to get down the wing and use it.

I think our midfield has dragged us down for years, it's not as if strikers are missing 1 on 1s all the time. Players like Brunt, Morrison and Gardner now, are just providing almost 0 attacking opportunities; and they all look scared of the ball!

Anyhoo, best of luck Mr Pulis, I will be supporting you and the team; hopefully we can finally build a platform to go forward with instead of tearing it down every 6 months.

Edit: forgot to mention, do you really think Stoke would be doing what they are now if not for the base built by Pulis? Let's get to a position where we can afford to complain about the style of football yeah?

The sheep follow the shepherds no matter what.

Its like going to the cinema and booking a foreign show but sitting through it anyway even though you dont know what the hell is going on.

The post above is the new premier league modern football fans view.

If we played this football in the 90s we would have protested again like against crewe!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on August 17, 2015, 01:08:48 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 17, 2015, 11:48:22 AM
I can’t stand the man nor his complete mismanagement of this football club.
 
The football is absolutely turgid and is steadily getting worse, it now feels like an achievement when we string more than 3 passes together.  The frustrating thing is that we have good players; Foster, Lescott, Chester, Yacob, Sess and Berahino would walk into most mid-level Premiership teams yet Pulis can’t formulate a team selection or tactics other than a back line compromising of three centre backs and a left sided midfielder, engineering a static pedestrian midfield who offer no imagination but of course work  “very very hard” and a big man and a little man up top.  The bloke is an absolute dinosaur.

What exactly has Pocognoli done to be complexly frozen out the first team squad bar being an actual full back?  Why is Peace allowing him to literally spunk £5MILLION of the clubs money up the wall on a goalkeeper when we have two very capable senior keepers and two highly rated youngsters?  Why is he preferring that fat lump of a lazy waster Anichebe over Ideye.  The thought of Pulis selling Berahino and being trusted with the funds is truly terrifying, like a demented fat kid in a candy shop, probably buy some more plodding midfielders like Joey Barton who work “very very very very f***ing hard”.

The away performances are so poor, infact have we even scored a goal in open play away from home in 2015?  I have yet to attend a game this season and its going to be a struggle under Pulis, can’t wait for the day the bloke is gone.  CAN.NOT.WAIT.
He is a brilliant manager.

We are only on the same points as chelsea would you believe!  :o

Marshall is better than foster and myhill put together so im meant to believe. Without pulis we'd be relegated. Like i say we have been s*** for 4 seasons so rebuilding will take time.

I'd rather a old dinosaur thats got respect, form and gets 100% out of players than a good coach like irvine. (Not aimed at you)

Poco failed to double laps in training so TP got rid.


We'd have no one better anyway.

A cup run and a top 10 finish massey i will look forward to my abbots :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on August 17, 2015, 01:13:08 PM
Personally i wad very envious when TP was at stoke.

He made mowbray look a mug. TP and hodgson have very similaritys.

Not even had a full season yet and people are on his backs.

We stayed up comfortably last season. We scrapped through under Pepe Mel but they guy gets a love fest why?

Mowbray was a bulls***r who got out played and made to look a mug  and mugged us off as fans as soon as celtic came calling.

Id give TP a 5 year contract
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 17, 2015, 01:21:52 PM
Quote from: Tipton Baggie on August 17, 2015, 01:13:08 PM
Personally i wad very envious when TP was at stoke.

He made mowbray look a mug.
...

Mowbray was a bulls***r who got out played and made to look a mug

This has to be trolling, right?

You do realise we won the Championship, made it to an FA Cup semi-final, and played some great football on the way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on August 17, 2015, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on August 17, 2015, 01:21:52 PM
This has to be trolling, right?

You do realise we won the Championship, made it to an FA Cup semi-final, and played some great football on the way.
Completley understand but he was so out his depth in the premier league. Luck of the draw in the fa cup. And we was always going to win the championship.

Pulis took stoke to a fa cup final and played in europe?

No contest

Also - NEVER been relegated as a manager in the PL

WON manager of the year at palace.


What achievments has mowbray got and where is he now? Coventry?

Big league that sunday look tripe
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 17, 2015, 01:27:17 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on August 17, 2015, 01:21:52 PM
This has to be trolling, right?

You do realise we won the Championship, made it to an FA Cup semi-final, and played some great football on the way.

Exactly, but at a level below the Premier League!   We had to get relegated first in order to even be in the Championship!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 17, 2015, 01:27:35 PM
Pulis did a far better job at Stoke than Mowbray here with a weaker squad too. I don't miss the days where Stoke's Pulis used to batter us 3-0 but Mowbray used to comment on performances being more important than results.  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jbird74 on August 17, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
Cant say im pulis biggest fan ,but he gets the best out of what we have got! We have got some real poor footballers and tbh we have a very poor squad overall ! Apart from saido,what other player(s) have attracted buds from similar,better clubs in the last couple of years ? . Everyone loved hodgson but my god his football was dull ! ( yes i know he won 5 1 at wolves ). Wait untill pulis has HIS team ,well thats my opinion anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 17, 2015, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: jbird74 on August 17, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
Cant say im pulis biggest fan ,but he gets the best out of what we have got! We have got some real poor footballers and tbh we have a very poor squad overall ! Apart from saido,what other player(s) have attracted buds from similar,better clubs in the last couple of years ? . Everyone loved hodgson but my god his football was dull ! ( yes i know he won 5 1 at wolves ). Wait untill pulis has HIS team ,well thats my opinion anyway.

Pulis has his team at Stoke and we all know what that was like.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 17, 2015, 01:39:48 PM
Quote from: jbird74 on August 17, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
Cant say im pulis biggest fan ,but he gets the best out of what we have got! We have got some real poor footballers and tbh we have a very poor squad overall ! Apart from saido,what other player(s) have attracted buds from similar,better clubs in the last couple of years ? . Everyone loved hodgson but my god his football was dull ! ( yes i know he won 5 1 at wolves ). Wait untill pulis has HIS team ,well thats my opinion anyway.

Best out of what we have got?

Have you seen the first two performances and end of last season? We/are terrible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2015, 01:42:56 PM
Quote from: Tipton Baggie on August 17, 2015, 01:26:56 PM
And we was always going to win the championship.
Were we? When was the last time we won a league title before that then (any division)?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jbird74 on August 17, 2015, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 17, 2015, 01:39:48 PM
Best out of what we have got?

Have you seen the first two performances and end of last season? We/are terrible.



Look at the lack of quality in the team ,we are sh**e because we have a sh**e team, half those players shouldnt be anywhere near the team
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2015, 01:45:02 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 17, 2015, 01:27:35 PM
Pulis did a far better job at Stoke than Mowbray here with a weaker squad too.
You've claimed that twice now - can you post the Stoke squad to allow comparison please?

Quote from: Legend on August 17, 2015, 01:27:35 PM
I don't miss the days where Stoke's Pulis used to batter us 3-0 but Mowbray used to comment on performances being more important than results.  :-X
How many times did Stoke beat us 3-0 when Mowbray was in charge (genuine question)?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 17, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
This is the Stoke head to head against us when Pulis was in charge [of Stoke].

Mowbray games with a 'M' by them.

2012/2013

ENGLISH PREMIER   16Mar 2013   
Stoke   0 - 0   West Brom
   
ENGLISH PREMIER   01Dec 2012   
West Brom   0 - 1   Stoke
   
2011/2012

ENGLISH PREMIER   21Jan 2012   
Stoke   1 - 2   West Brom   

ENGLISH PREMIER   28Aug 2011   
West Brom   0 - 1   Stoke
   
2010/2011

PREMIER LEAGUE   28Feb 2011   
Stoke   1 - 1   West Brom
   
PREMIER LEAGUE   20Nov 2010   
West Brom   0 - 3   Stoke
   
2008/2009

PREMIER LEAGUE   04Apr 2009   M
West Brom   0 - 2   Stoke
   
PREMIER LEAGUE   22Nov 2008   M
Stoke   1 - 0   West Brom
   
2007/2008

ENGLISH CHAMPIONSHIP   22Dec 2007   M
Stoke   3 - 1   West Brom
   
ENGLISH CHAMPIONSHIP   03Oct 2007   M
West Brom   1 - 1   Stoke   

2006/2007

ENGLISH CHAMPIONSHIP   07Apr 2007   M
West Brom   1 - 3   Stoke   

ENGLISH CHAMPIONSHIP   25Nov 2006   M
Stoke   1 - 0   West Brom   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 17, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
Mowbray inherited a great squad for the championship. He had to gel them though having had some @rseholes left in from the Robson days. He did that well and had us purring.

Pulls built Stoke from scratch and established them in the premier league.

The results between the two show no contest. As football fans  we get attached to the other stuff (subjective stuff) about football so we liked Mowbrays style, speeches, philosophy. If Mowbray hadn't left us in the lurch for Celtic (and he really did shaft us at the time considering the goodwill he had here in spite of taking us down after having spent 15m on Carson, Valero and Luke Fookin Moore), then we would've likely sacked him based on how he performed since. He ain't managing in League 1 for nothing......

Now Pulis has inherited a poor poor squad, ageing and imbalanced. He'll move us on........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2015, 01:57:33 PM
Quote from: BB74 on August 17, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
This is the Stoke head to head against us when Pulis was in charge [of Stoke].
Thanks for that. Prior to that victory in 2011-12, I believe we hadn't beaten them for more than 20 years IIRC?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on August 17, 2015, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2015, 01:42:56 PM
Were we? When was the last time we won a league title before that then (any division)?
Yes we was how many times we been yow yowing we should know the league inside out. See darbolinas post which is summed up nicely.

Theres only one tony pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on August 17, 2015, 01:58:53 PM
I find it incomprehensible that we are comparing Pullis with Mowbray!?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 17, 2015, 02:03:26 PM
My views on Pulis are that I didn't want him but felt we needed him. We needed some changes at the club and Pulis due to his personality will bring change. One of the changes due to Pulis coming in was for Peace to change the structure, I think the director of football / head coach thing meant certain managers wouldn't come to the club.
The style v results debate will always be there but its the same for every club, for a club like ours to find the balance will always be a challenge. Other than Swansea  most teams below the top 6 are a mix of styles. I think its the pace and adventure aspect more than the style of passing that is the issue.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 17, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2015, 01:57:33 PM
Thanks for that. Prior to that victory in 2011-12, I believe we hadn't beaten them for more than 20 years IIRC?

Hopefully this link works. If not try the site direct and pick the two sides.

http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/head_to_head.sd?team_id=2744&team2_id=2477 (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/head_to_head.sd?team_id=2744&team2_id=2477)

Or

http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/head_to_head.sd (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/head_to_head.sd)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 17, 2015, 02:08:45 PM
Quote from: jbird74 on August 17, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
Cant say im pulis biggest fan ,but he gets the best out of what we have got! We have got some real poor footballers and tbh we have a very poor squad overall ! Apart from saido,what other player(s) have attracted buds from similar,better clubs in the last couple of years ? . Everyone loved hodgson but my god his football was dull ! ( yes i know he won 5 1 at wolves ). Wait untill pulis has HIS team ,well thats my opinion anyway.

It dull and exciting in equal measures. There is a balance to be found.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 17, 2015, 02:10:46 PM
Quote from: BB74 on August 17, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
This is the Stoke head to head against us when Pulis was in charge [of Stoke].

Mowbray games with a 'M' by them.

2012/2013

ENGLISH PREMIER   16Mar 2013   
Stoke   0 - 0   West Brom
   
ENGLISH PREMIER   01Dec 2012   
West Brom   0 - 1   Stoke
   
2011/2012

ENGLISH PREMIER   21Jan 2012   
Stoke   1 - 2   West Brom   

ENGLISH PREMIER   28Aug 2011   
West Brom   0 - 1   Stoke
   
2010/2011

PREMIER LEAGUE   28Feb 2011   
Stoke   1 - 1   West Brom
   
PREMIER LEAGUE   20Nov 2010   
West Brom   0 - 3   Stoke
   
2008/2009

PREMIER LEAGUE   04Apr 2009   M
West Brom   0 - 2   Stoke
   
PREMIER LEAGUE   22Nov 2008   M
Stoke   1 - 0   West Brom
   
2007/2008

ENGLISH CHAMPIONSHIP   22Dec 2007   M
Stoke   3 - 1   West Brom
   
ENGLISH CHAMPIONSHIP   03Oct 2007   M
West Brom   1 - 1   Stoke   

2006/2007

ENGLISH CHAMPIONSHIP   07Apr 2007   M
West Brom   1 - 3   Stoke   

ENGLISH CHAMPIONSHIP   25Nov 2006   M
Stoke   1 - 0   West Brom   

Wow, shocking record for Mowbray  :o

Pulis with 5 wins, 1 draw.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 17, 2015, 02:11:55 PM
Excuse my criticism but is stokes achievement great ? An fa cup final so in turn by pure luck got into Europe ? With all of Coates money I'm sure he didn't view it as outstanding success.

Villa getting to the final was an achievement because they were cack and Sherwood turned them around quickly.

Albion getting to a semi final on our budget is an achievement in my eyes same as our national team getting into the quarter finals, Just my view but teams surpass other teams and you quickly realize your position in the Que, League and cup wise you just need a bit of magic and luck on the day and the belief obviously.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 17, 2015, 02:14:10 PM
So, TM finished above TP in 2006-7, 2007-8 and only "failed" in 2008-9, a season when Coates bankrolled Stoke to the tune of £25M + to remain in the Premier League  (successfully  ;))
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 17, 2015, 02:24:17 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 17, 2015, 02:11:55 PM
Excuse my criticism but is stokes achievement great ? An fa cup final so in turn by pure luck got into Europe ? With all of Coates money I'm sure he didn't view it as outstanding success.

Villa getting to the final was an achievement because they were cack and Sherwood turned them around quickly.

Albion getting to a semi final on our budget is an achievement in my eyes same as our national team getting into the quarter finals, Just my view but teams surpass other teams and you quickly realize your position in the Que, League and cup wise you just need a bit of magic and luck on the day and the belief obviously.

The Villa / Sherwood comparison is unfair. Sherwood came in at the quaterfinal stage and won 2 cup games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 17, 2015, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 17, 2015, 02:14:10 PM
So, TM finished above TP in 2006-7, 2007-8 and only "failed" in 2008-9, a season when Coates bankrolled Stoke to the tune of £25M + to remain in the Premier League  (successfully  ;))

Didn't TM spend over £20m that season too?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 17, 2015, 03:14:34 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 17, 2015, 02:39:37 PM
Didn't TM spend over £20m that season too?
£14.5M ?

http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2744&teamTabs=transfers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2015, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: BB74 on August 17, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
Hopefully this link works. If not try the site direct and pick the two sides.

http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/head_to_head.sd?team_id=2744&team2_id=2477 (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/head_to_head.sd?team_id=2744&team2_id=2477)

Or

http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/head_to_head.sd (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/head_to_head.sd)
Great - thanks for that. So, when we beat them in 2012 it was the first league victory over then since 1988, although we didn't play them every season in between of course. Without wishing to go off at too much of a tangent, I remember the 6-0 victory over them in 1988 and must still have the video somewhere! As I recall, that was the game where Tony Ford (who later played for us) was sent off for a hideous challenge on Colin Anderson.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wabooz on August 17, 2015, 03:34:04 PM
Like I said previously, I don't think we are in a position to worry about our footballing style just yet.

When we have enough about us to almost guarantee safety and a team that gives 100% week in / week out, I'll start to worry about the footballing style.

Don't get me wrong, I hated Pulis at Stoke too, I was bitter about the hoofball - but I can be wise enough to admit we need what Stoke have earned, a strong foothold in the Premier League. Then, like them, we can talk about moving forward and footballing styles, with relegation a non-starter.
 
Building things takes time, I'm sorry if that isn't acceptable to some fans but there is no quick fix. We've been changing coaches every year (sometimes 6 months) and how has that worked out for us?

Stability, please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 17, 2015, 03:34:20 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2015, 03:31:19 PM
Great - thanks for that. So, when we beat them in 2012 it was the first league victory over then since 1988, although we didn't play them every season in between of course. Without wishing to go off at too much of a tangent, I remember the 6-0 victory over them in 1988 and must still have the video somewhere! As I recall, that was the game where Tony Ford (who later played for us) was sent off for a hideous challenge on Colin Anderson.

Here you go with the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJwOlqc6EWg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJwOlqc6EWg)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 17, 2015, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 17, 2015, 03:14:34 PM
£14.5M ?

http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2744&teamTabs=transfers

They have missed the Bednar and Moore signings off that list. Their loans were made permanent that summer. That's another £6m. We also signed Kim Do Hoen permanently then too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 17, 2015, 02:14:10 PM
So, TM finished above TP in 2006-7, 2007-8 and only "failed" in 2008-9, a season when Coates bankrolled Stoke to the tune of £25M + to remain in the Premier League  (successfully  ;))
Ah, but there's an unwritten rule in this thread whereby only what managers have done in the Premier League is admissible! ;) I'm amused that, in 2007-08, Albion conceded the same number of goals as Stoke (55) but scored 19 more.

I do have it in my head that Mowbray wanted to bring in more "soldiers" in 2008-09 but it wasn't sanctioned. Back in those days, we were prepared to pay a bit more on transfer fees, but not on wages, which significantly restricted who we could sign.

Ultimately, I don't want this to be a Pulis v Mowbray thing though, all I want to do is challenge the viewpoint some have that the ultra-negative Pulis style is the only way that Albion can stay up, and also to reiterate that all out attack is not the only alternative playing style to "Pulisball".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2015, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on August 17, 2015, 03:34:20 PM
Here you go with the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJwOlqc6EWg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJwOlqc6EWg)
What memories! 2 goals for Don Goodman there showing his undying love for Albion!  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 17, 2015, 03:55:50 PM
I would prefer to watch Mowbray''s football to Pulis's any day of the week, but watching Albion teams under both managers could be equally frustrating because both had very obvious flaws in their approach which they either were unable or unwilling to address. It is not a straight choice between one or the other, it is possible to play decent football and be well organised at the back and equally being defensively sound doesn't mean that you have zero attacking intent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 17, 2015, 03:59:19 PM
Quote from: Standaman on August 17, 2015, 03:55:50 PM
I would prefer to watch Mowbray''s football to Pulis's any day of the week, but watching Albion teams under both managers could be equally frustrating because both had very obvious flaws in their approach which they either were unable or unwilling to address. It is not a straight choice between one or the other, it is possible to play decent football and be well organised at the back and equally being defensively sound doesn't mean that you have zero attacking intent.


Exactly. As dire as we were with the ball against Watford, they never created a proper goal scoring opportunity, barring a couple of goal mouth scrambles and some long range shots.

Pulis needs to balance the team out - we looked better when McClean came on, took his full back on on the outside, and won a corner which led to Saido's chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on August 17, 2015, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2015, 03:31:19 PM
Great - thanks for that. So, when we beat them in 2012 it was the first league victory over then since 1988, although we didn't play them every season in between of course. Without wishing to go off at too much of a tangent, I remember the 6-0 victory over them in 1988 and must still have the video somewhere! As I recall, that was the game where Tony Ford (who later played for us) was sent off for a hideous challenge on Colin Anderson.
We beat Stoke in the league in 2003 as well
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 17, 2015, 04:18:47 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
Ah, but there's an unwritten rule in this thread whereby only what managers have done in the Premier League is admissible! ;) I'm amused that, in 2007-08, Albion conceded the same number of goals as Stoke (55) but scored 19 more.

I do have it in my head that Mowbray wanted to bring in more "soldiers" in 2008-09 but it wasn't sanctioned. Back in those days, we were prepared to pay a bit more on transfer fees, but not on wages, which significantly restricted who we could sign.

Ultimately, I don't want this to be a Pulis v Mowbray thing though, all I want to do is challenge the viewpoint some have that the ultra-negative Pulis style is the only way that Albion can stay up, and also to reiterate that all out attack is not the only alternative playing style to "Pulisball".

If you dislike it that much then don't come to matches. I am so grateful we have a manager of the stature if Mr Tony Pulis..I support him and Albion..as do most if the people who sit around me in the East stand..the critism on here is laughable..as is the critism of Peace..Funny enough its the same posters who critise both...except if course when we we away at Man Utd, or beat Chelsea..strange that !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 17, 2015, 04:21:18 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 17, 2015, 04:18:47 PM
If you dislike it that much then don't come to matches. I am so grateful we have a manager of the stature if Mr Tony Pulis..I support him and Albion..as do most if the people who sit around me in the East stand..the critism on here is laughable..as is the critism of Peace..Funny enough its the same posters who critise both...except if course when we we away at Man Utd, or beat Chelsea..strange that !

I think you're being harsh there. WorcsWBA has made a solid argument and has pointed out there is a middle ground to be struck with regards to not looking to lose and looking to win.

In fact, no-where in the post you've quoted does Worcs mention disliking Pulis! You have to admit that some of the football we have played in the past two games has been poor, surely?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on August 17, 2015, 04:26:57 PM
Whilst I loved the attacking play under Mowbray I was often left so frustrated by the defending. Mainly the fact that we conceded from pretty much every set piece that we gave away.

I think we need a couple of months to see a transition, Pulis clearly wants at least 3 more players in, hopefully one being a creative CM. I think it would only be fair to judge him after that.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 17, 2015, 04:39:16 PM
Quote from: MarkW on August 17, 2015, 04:21:18 PM
I think you're being harsh there. WorcsWBA has made a solid argument and has pointed out there is a middle ground to be struck with regards to not looking to lose and looking to win.

In fact, no-where in the post you've quoted does Worcs mention disliking Pulis! You have to admit that some of the football we have played in the past two games has been poor, surely?
Harsh maybe..BUT.. When Pulis arrived we were heading rapidly down south and with very little time to look at team he guided us safely to midtable and a quarter final FA game( which we would have one if not for Ideye miss and bad decision re Yacob..and some posters are moaning about style !..Not sure where they have been over last few years..ive been here since mid sixties and the only period that was remotely "stylish" was under Atkinson of course..(not that we won anything then)..This is the best organised team since Hodson and there are people who critisise him still despite what he achieved in a short time..Mr Pulis is a perfect fit for Albion..I'm not a happy clapper..but if people don't like it then what's to do but advise them to stay away until they believe its a product worthy of their time and money..In the meantime I and the majority of long standing Albion fans love it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 17, 2015, 04:51:07 PM
I've said it before, football seems black and white to most supporters hence you end up with a Pulis v Whoever argument and neither parties will agree. There is plenty of grey area. For example, TM for all his attacking philosophy at times could have done with some of TP defending approach and at the minute I'd give anything for TP to show some of the TM attacking philosophy.

One thing, for me personally, I would rather watch a team trying to win rather than one trying not to lose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 17, 2015, 04:51:40 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 17, 2015, 04:39:16 PM
Harsh maybe..BUT.. When Pulis arrived we were heading rapidly down south and with very little time to look at team he guided us safely to midtable and a quarter final FA game( which we would have one if not for Ideye miss and bad decision re Yacob..and some posters are moaning about style !..Not sure where they have been over last few years..ive been here since mid sixties and the only period that was remotely "stylish" was under Atkinson of course..(not that we won anything then)..This is the best organised team since Hodson and there are people who critisise him still despite what he achieved in a short time..Mr Pulis is a perfect fit for Albion..I'm not a happy clapper..but if people don't like it then what's to do but advise them to stay away until they believe its a product worthy of their time and money..In the meantime I and the majority of long standing Albion fans love it

I understand he kept us up - I think most fans are very thankful for it. But personally I'd like to see a progression. Last season he didn't have much to work with, and did the best he could with an average set of players. He's now spent quite a lot of money (more than I can remember any of manager spending on so few players) and so I want to see how he can improve on what he did last season, not only in terms of results but in style of play.

Goals are exciting. Winning is exciting. Defending for 70 minutes of a 90 minute game is not exciting (except for the Man City 0-0 at home under Hodgson, but even then we hit the post!). I want us to get 40+ points and stay up more than anything, but the foundations Pulis laid last season are there to be built upon, not to be repeated.

I think it is naive and slightly rude of you to tell other fans not to bother coming - they are allowed their opinion just as much as you are allowed yours. We all want what is best for WBA, it's just right now there are a lot of different opinions on what needs to be done and how.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 17, 2015, 05:14:06 PM
Not rude..but as valid as yours etc.
Not sure if you noticed. We have only played 2games, one if which was against Man city ..who coincidentally rolled over Chelsea by same score !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 17, 2015, 06:12:27 PM
2 games is plenty these days...get rid  8)

Mourinho out too :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on August 17, 2015, 06:16:24 PM
You set yourself up Pulis style not to lose when you are sure you dont have the players with the ability to out-play the opposition. He was over-confident going into the man city game and we lost. We went into norwich fearing losing, when we should have been thinking - each of our players is better than theirs and we just need to play. But we dont. We fear all opposition and when we nick a win it feels ok - but you never feel we are going to dominate. Other teams with worse squads than ours will play to win and when coming against us - will have a chance.

I cant think of a more depressing start the the season ever. We seem to have recruited well but the stubbornness of the manager that helps you grind out a draw when you are the underdog is going to keep us under pressure all year when we should have more swagger than that. We have good players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 17, 2015, 06:17:30 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 17, 2015, 04:39:16 PM
Harsh maybe..BUT.. When Pulis arrived we were heading rapidly down south and with very little time to look at team he guided us safely to midtable and a quarter final FA game( which we would have one if not for Ideye miss and bad decision re Yacob..and some posters are moaning about style !..Not sure where they have been over last few years..ive been here since mid sixties and the only period that was remotely "stylish" was under Atkinson of course..(not that we won anything then)..This is the best organised team since Hodson and there are people who critisise him still despite what he achieved in a short time..Mr Pulis is a perfect fit for Albion..I'm not a happy clapper..but if people don't like it then what's to do but advise them to stay away until they believe its a product worthy of their time and money..In the meantime I and the majority of long standing Albion fans love it
Atkinson hadn't got a clue how to set a team up to win a game , ffs he used to play willie Johnston and laurie Cunningham on the wings and the worst of it was he played fullbacks like batson and statham. give me pulis anyday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 17, 2015, 06:32:22 PM
People talk about judging him when he has made his signings.

Well he has signed McMannaman and McClean and he binned them to the bench.

If Pulis had any intention of adopting a policy away from home where we at least possess some intent and ambition then at least one, if not both would have started. Starting the game with Gardner and Morrison just screamed negativity of the highest order.

Unfortunately - I don't hold much hope of change even if Pulis signs a few more players - that approach is ingrained in my view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on August 17, 2015, 06:35:35 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 17, 2015, 11:48:22 AM
I can’t stand the man nor his complete mismanagement of this football club.
 
The football is absolutely turgid and is steadily getting worse, it now feels like an achievement when we string more than 3 passes together.  The frustrating thing is that we have good players; Foster, Lescott, Chester, Yacob, Sess and Berahino would walk into most mid-level Premiership teams yet Pulis can’t formulate a team selection or tactics other than a back line compromising of three centre backs and a left sided midfielder, engineering a static pedestrian midfield who offer no imagination but of course work  “very very hard” and a big man and a little man up top.  The bloke is an absolute dinosaur.

What exactly has Pocognoli done to be complexly frozen out the first team squad bar being an actual full back?  Why is Peace allowing him to literally spunk £5MILLION of the clubs money up the wall on a goalkeeper when we have two very capable senior keepers and two highly rated youngsters?  Why is he preferring that fat lump of a lazy waster Anichebe over Ideye.  The thought of Pulis selling Berahino and being trusted with the funds is truly terrifying, like a demented fat kid in a candy shop, probably buy some more plodding midfielders like Joey Barton who work “very very very very f***ing hard”.

The away performances are so poor, infact have we even scored a goal in open play away from home in 2015?  I have yet to attend a game this season and its going to be a struggle under Pulis, can’t wait for the day the bloke is gone.  CAN.NOT.WAIT.
Great post. Hear, hear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 17, 2015, 07:54:03 PM
Assume those complaining after 2 games, before the end of the window, will be staying away from the Hawthorns for a while?

Assume you were also complaining when we beat Man Utd away, Chelsea at home etc.

Just do us all a favour and go and hide in a dark corner and come back after 10 matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 17, 2015, 08:27:00 PM
Can we cut the telling people to go elsewhere then folks. Its a subject that will go on for a while and both sides are entitled to their views without being told not to turn up etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 17, 2015, 08:39:47 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 17, 2015, 04:51:07 PM
One thing, for me personally, I would rather watch a team trying to win rather than one trying not to lose.

This. All day long.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 17, 2015, 09:19:55 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 17, 2015, 07:54:03 PM
Assume those complaining after 2 games, before the end of the window, will be staying away from the Hawthorns for a while?

Assume you were also complaining when we beat Man Utd away, Chelsea at home etc.

Just do us all a favour and go and hide in a dark corner and come back after 10 matches.

My criticism of Pulis is not based on two games. He has a body of work which stretches back over a decade and  he has been in charge of this club for over half a season.  The fact that the window is open is irrelevant there is no player that we are going to sign that will alter the coach's basic approach.

I honestly think Pulis has been given an incredibly soft ride by the fans who seem to be queuing up to make excuses for performances which would have bought nothing but scorn on any of his recent predecessors  including Hodgson. Sure I'll give any coach or player a chance to prove my initial thoughts wrong but Pulisball is a style of football that wears thin very quickly, it's only saving grace is that it is effective and as soon as it stops being effective the mood will sour very quickly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 17, 2015, 10:06:43 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 17, 2015, 04:51:07 PM
One thing, for me personally, I would rather watch a team trying to win rather than one trying not to lose.

Normally I would agree with this 100%. In this case though with our opening fixtures I think Pulis saw it as vital to get off the mark points wise and I find it hard to argue with that really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 17, 2015, 10:12:26 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on August 17, 2015, 10:06:43 PM
Normally I would agree with this 100%. In this case though with our opening fixtures I think Pulis saw it as vital to get off the mark points wise and I find it hard to argue with that really.

With a bit of ambition we could have taken all 3. Watford will lose more games at home than they will win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on August 17, 2015, 10:24:37 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on August 17, 2015, 10:06:43 PM
Normally I would agree with this 100%. In this case though with our opening fixtures I think Pulis saw it as vital to get off the mark points wise and I find it hard to argue with that really.

you won't get anywhere with these sort of comments, the lynch mob is out, only a matter of time before we have a plane with a banner
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 17, 2015, 10:26:38 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on August 17, 2015, 10:24:37 PM
you won't get anywhere with these sort of comments, the lynch mob is out, only a matter of time before we have a plane with a banner

Irvine suffered the same treatment sadly so I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 17, 2015, 10:30:22 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 17, 2015, 10:12:26 PM
With a bit of ambition we could have taken all 3. Watford will lose more games at home than they will win.

If Saido hadn't missed the easiest and clearest chance of the game we would have won without the 'ambition'. Its all about the fine margins, I would like to see the team set up with more balance and use the ball much better but we knew what we were getting with Pulis. Never going to be pretty but its effective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on August 17, 2015, 10:30:55 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 17, 2015, 11:48:22 AM
I can’t stand the man nor his complete mismanagement of this football club.
 
The football is absolutely turgid and is steadily getting worse, it now feels like an achievement when we string more than 3 passes together.  The frustrating thing is that we have good players; Foster, Lescott, Chester, Yacob, Sess and Berahino would walk into most mid-level Premiership teams yet Pulis can’t formulate a team selection or tactics other than a back line compromising of three centre backs and a left sided midfielder, engineering a static pedestrian midfield who offer no imagination but of course work  “very very hard” and a big man and a little man up top.  The bloke is an absolute dinosaur.

What exactly has Pocognoli done to be complexly frozen out the first team squad bar being an actual full back?  Why is Peace allowing him to literally spunk £5MILLION of the clubs money up the wall on a goalkeeper when we have two very capable senior keepers and two highly rated youngsters?  Why is he preferring that fat lump of a lazy waster Anichebe over Ideye.  The thought of Pulis selling Berahino and being trusted with the funds is truly terrifying, like a demented fat kid in a candy shop, probably buy some more plodding midfielders like Joey Barton who work “very very very very f***ing hard”.

The away performances are so poor, infact have we even scored a goal in open play away from home in 2015?  I have yet to attend a game this season and its going to be a struggle under Pulis, can’t wait for the day the bloke is gone.  CAN.NOT.WAIT.

you are right we need Irvine back and pretty sharpish at that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on August 17, 2015, 10:35:33 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on August 17, 2015, 10:30:22 PM
If Saido hadn't missed the easiest and clearest chance of the game we would have won without the 'ambition'. Its all about the fine margins, I would like to see the team set up with more balance and use the ball much better but we knew what we were getting with Pulis. Never going to be pretty but its effective.

It would have been an effective 3 points for sure. Watford never looked like scoring. Reminded me of when we first got into the prem and we played some fancy stuff got nowhere, switched off for second, conceded and lost the game. Naive and inexperienced at the top level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 17, 2015, 10:42:30 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 17, 2015, 04:39:16 PM
Harsh maybe..BUT.. When Pulis arrived we were heading rapidly down south and with very little time to look at team he guided us safely to midtable and a quarter final FA game( which we would have one if not for Ideye miss and bad decision re Yacob..and some posters are moaning about style !..Not sure where they have been over last few years..ive been here since mid sixties and the only period that was remotely "stylish" was under Atkinson of course..(not that we won anything then)..This is the best organised team since Hodson and there are people who critisise him still despite what he achieved in a short time..Mr Pulis is a perfect fit for Albion..I'm not a happy clapper..but if people don't like it then what's to do but advise them to stay away until they believe its a product worthy of their time and money..In the meantime I and the majority of long standing Albion fans love it

Football has changed.

You say stay away....there will be noone in the ground.

If youre happy to watch that sh1te then fair enough but dont tell people not to go because we dont agree with your point of view.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 17, 2015, 10:44:35 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on August 17, 2015, 10:30:22 PM
If Saido hadn't missed the easiest and clearest chance of the game we would have won without the 'ambition'. Its all about the fine margins, I would like to see the team set up with more balance and use the ball much better but we knew what we were getting with Pulis. Never going to be pretty but its effective.

If my auntie had a pair of balls she would be my uncle.

We created 1 chance all game.

Pathetic.

PULIS OUT
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on August 17, 2015, 10:48:24 PM
Pulls has made a massive statement re signings. These two weeks are huge for the club. Worst case scenario 1st September ....no wins, no goals, no Berahino...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 17, 2015, 10:50:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Goddens Gloves on August 17, 2015, 10:48:24 PM
Pulls has made a massive statement re signings. These two weeks are huge for the club. Worst case scenario 1st September ....no wins, no goals, no Berahino...

Very strong possibility!!

He will ruin our club believe me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on August 17, 2015, 10:52:35 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 17, 2015, 11:48:22 AM
I can’t stand the man nor his complete mismanagement of this football club.
 
The football is absolutely turgid and is steadily getting worse, it now feels like an achievement when we string more than 3 passes together.  The frustrating thing is that we have good players; Foster, Lescott, Chester, Yacob, Sess and Berahino would walk into most mid-level Premiership teams yet Pulis can’t formulate a team selection or tactics other than a back line compromising of three centre backs and a left sided midfielder, engineering a static pedestrian midfield who offer no imagination but of course work  “very very hard” and a big man and a little man up top.  The bloke is an absolute dinosaur.

What exactly has Pocognoli done to be complexly frozen out the first team squad bar being an actual full back?  Why is Peace allowing him to literally spunk £5MILLION of the clubs money up the wall on a goalkeeper when we have two very capable senior keepers and two highly rated youngsters?  Why is he preferring that fat lump of a lazy waster Anichebe over Ideye.  The thought of Pulis selling Berahino and being trusted with the funds is truly terrifying, like a demented fat kid in a candy shop, probably buy some more plodding midfielders like Joey Barton who work “very very very very f***ing hard”.

The away performances are so poor, infact have we even scored a goal in open play away from home in 2015?  I have yet to attend a game this season and its going to be a struggle under Pulis, can’t wait for the day the bloke is gone.  CAN.NOT.WAIT.

That makes two of us pal.

When we appointed Pulis I noted that a few of us (me and you included) decided to put our principles before blind support for the appointment. I completely stand by my view although there is a growing backlash to any criticism.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 17, 2015, 10:53:48 PM
Quote from: wbako on August 17, 2015, 10:52:35 PM
That makes two of us pal.

When we appointed Pulis I noted that a few of us (me and you included) decided to put our principles before blind support for the appointment. I completely stand by my view although there is a growing backlash to any criticism.

Dont forget me.

Cant belive people are happy with him doing this to our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nocky on August 17, 2015, 11:08:56 PM
I personally feel the criticism is a bit harsh, however I can also understand it.

What i will say is that this squad has been a shambles for a good couple of years now. In fact, it's a minor miracle that we are still a premiership team. There isn't a quick fix here and it's going to take time to turn our fortunes around.

Pulis did an unbelievable job last season with a poor, unbalanced team. We accepted the style of football as we recognised that we weren't equipped to play any other way. I'm prepared to give him time this season to shape the squad in a way which will hopefully improve the style of football. Time will tell whether he can recreate the Palace way or whether we will just become another Stoke. I do though think he has earned the right to be given the chance to take us forward. We need some stability and the chance to rebuild as a football club. Hopefully a few years under Pulis will enable us to do that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 17, 2015, 11:28:44 PM
Quote from: Nocky on August 17, 2015, 11:08:56 PM
I personally feel the criticism is a bit harsh, however I can also understand it.

What i will say is that this squad has been a shambles for a good couple of years now. In fact, it's a minor miracle that we are still a premiership team. There isn't a quick fix here and it's going to take time to turn our fortunes around.

Pulis did an unbelievable job last season with a poor, unbalanced team. We accepted the style of football as we recognised that we weren't equipped to play any other way. I'm prepared to give him time this season to shape the squad in a way which will hopefully improve the style of football. Time will tell whether he can recreate the Palace way or whether we will just become another Stoke. I do though think he has earned the right to be given the chance to take us forward. We need some stability and the chance to rebuild as a football club. Hopefully a few years under Pulis will enable us to do that.


I can't believe people are unhappy with Pulis..like most sane Albion fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 17, 2015, 11:58:24 PM
What is going on with TPs insistence on buying center halves ? Baffled by his team selection on Saturday totally stumped by the transfers with regards to back four
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 18, 2015, 12:09:31 AM
I watched Bournemouth have a go at Liverpool tonight. They unluckily had a goal disallowed but aside from that never looked like scoring. They lost one nil and have zero points, they are being praised up and down the country for their style of play. Been there done that thanks, I'll take Pulis for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 18, 2015, 01:18:07 AM
The interesting thing about Pulis for me is that Peace seems to be backing him with money. Rightly or wrongly (I am on the fence) it seems a change from recent times and the club has been re-structured to accomodate TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 18, 2015, 05:49:42 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 18, 2015, 01:18:07 AM
The interesting thing about Pulis for me is that Peace seems to be backing him with money. Rightly or wrongly (I am on the fence) it seems a change from recent times and the club has been re-structured to accomodate TP.

He hasn't had much choice to change things and back him. Player recruitment simply wasn't working and we massively wasted the previous two summer windows and we will suffer because of that for a good while yet as there is no quick fix. It's up for debate whether this new route will be any more successful than that was, only time will tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 18, 2015, 06:20:18 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on August 18, 2015, 05:49:42 AM
He hasn't had much choice to change things and back him. Player recruitment simply wasn't working and we massively wasted the previous two summer windows and we will suffer because of that for a good while yet as there is no quick fix. It's up for debate whether this new route will be any more successful than that was, only time will tell.

We are where we are now, he's got a couple of weeks left of this transfer window so needs to be pro-active.
His team selection on Saturday was baffling but we got a point away from home usually a point gained in the Premiership.
Personally I'll give him the season to see what happens. It used to be a roller coaster ride, last few seasons has been a bore fest, I fear this season will be the latter. We will do what we have to do, we'll be effective but possibly lack any desire to attack teams apart from the odd break away or set piece.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 18, 2015, 06:39:47 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on August 18, 2015, 06:20:18 AM
We are where we are now, he's got a couple of weeks left of this transfer window so needs to be pro-active.
His team selection on Saturday was baffling but we got a point away from home usually a point gained in the Premiership.
Personally I'll give him the season to see what happens. It used to be a roller coaster ride, last few seasons has been a bore fest, I fear this season will be the latter. We will do what we have to do, we'll be effective but possibly lack any desire to attack teams apart from the odd break away or set piece.

Last season we were absolutely desperate and looked destined to go down. Pulis is the closest person you will get to guaranteeing survival and it was achieved with a massively unbalanced squad so he got the plaudits he deserved. I went on record at the time expressing my doubts about him in the long-term purely based on the way he had Stoke set up for years, it wasn't exactly entertaining football but it got them the points needed to stay in the league every season.

My fear is nothing will change even if he gets most of the players he wants in the next few weeks. For the club all that matters is survival, for supporters there has to be some entertainment value in it. I said before I understood his reasoning behind the team set up at Watford when he said he hoped to exploit any space inside by playing narrow and I understand the almost desperate need to get a point to start our season as we have some really tough opening fixtures.

My opinion of him remains the same, he'll keep us in the league but the football won't be getting significantly better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on August 18, 2015, 07:24:24 AM
TP out now... let's get Big Sam in... or...?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 18, 2015, 07:56:04 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 18, 2015, 12:09:31 AM
I watched Bournemouth have a go at Liverpool tonight. They unluckily had a goal disallowed but aside from that never looked like scoring. They lost one nil and have zero points, they are being praised up and down the country for their style of play. Been there done that thanks, I'll take Pulis for a couple of years.

Funny how different people look at things differently, I thought they played well mate and showed more intent in the first 10 minutes than we have shown in 180, Opinions and all that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 18, 2015, 08:29:00 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 18, 2015, 12:09:31 AM
I watched Bournemouth have a go at Liverpool tonight. They unluckily had a goal disallowed but aside from that never looked like scoring. They lost one nil and have zero points, they are being praised up and down the country for their style of play. Been there done that thanks, I'll take Pulis for a couple of years.
But for poor refereeing decisions they would have had three points. It wasn't their style of play or ambition that cost them. Did they look more or less likely to score away at Anfield than we did at Watford?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 18, 2015, 08:33:27 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 18, 2015, 07:56:04 AM
Funny how different people look at things differently, I thought they played well mate and showed more intent in the first 10 minutes than we have shown in 180, Opinions and all that.
..And they lost.. Pretty football..nil points!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 18, 2015, 08:38:32 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 18, 2015, 12:09:31 AM
I watched Bournemouth have a go at Liverpool tonight. They unluckily had a goal disallowed but aside from that never looked like scoring. They lost one nil and have zero points, they are being praised up and down the country for their style of play. Been there done that thanks, I'll take Pulis for a couple of years.



Feel pretty much the same, i will cope with it somehow

Trouble is whoever comes in when hes gone will have a complete overhaul on his hands
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 18, 2015, 08:41:38 AM
I'm quite content with Pulis controlling things at the Albion, lets face it, our recent history has been miserable, people hark back t o the Mowbray era of exiting football, yes it was, but it was also frustrating, Dan Ashworth provided many good signings in this period, but the defence was always lacking, Dan Ashworths Premiership history has been less exemplary, a mix of excellent signings and total flops.

Bournemouth are playing good football, but they do look like a Mowbray team, at the moment, full of new enthusiasm, but what happens when the enthusiasm and confidence are dwindling?

Pulis is making the changes most on here have been crying out for years to see, yes, it may not be pretty at the moment, but it will get better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 18, 2015, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on August 17, 2015, 10:06:43 PM
Normally I would agree with this 100%. In this case though with our opening fixtures I think Pulis saw it as vital to get off the mark points wise and I find it hard to argue with that really.
I also recognise that there is a time to be pragmatic and not have too high expectations (Been supporting Albion a long time  :D) and there is a place for "do not lose".
If Pulis logic is to "attack" City and defend deeply against Watford to obtain maximum realistic points available perhaps it is flawed?

The average Premier League side, so far this season, has 50% possession and we have 33%. Would be nice to see our coach improve this stat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 18, 2015, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 18, 2015, 08:35:18 AM

Nice one Newbie. Check my 3000 posts and find the "blame Peace" one.  ;)

Bournemouth scored more legitimate goals than Liverpool last night (according to the laws of the game although not the man interpreting them!) If Bournemouth can go to Anfield and do it, why are we not trying to win at Watford?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 18, 2015, 08:58:27 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 18, 2015, 08:41:38 AM
Pulis is making the changes most on here have been crying out for years to see, yes, it may not be pretty at the moment, but it may get better.
No certainty in football  :D One day TP may even get relegated!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 18, 2015, 09:03:02 AM
people saying Pulis is ruining the club, I think it was already ruined by the 2 years before he arrived.

Hodgson left us in a good position with a squad that could be built on.
we didn't build on it, we bought in a loan player to cover the cracks for a season, the defence was never really built on since Hodgson left apart from the revolving door at full back positions.

I'd say Pulis is rebuilding rather than ruining, and he's doing it the way he knows how.

it's pointless comparing us to teams like Bournemouth for a number of reasons. 1 being that we have a lot more to lose than them if we were to go down.

the football on show isn't great and it wasn't last season either apart from 1 or 2 games. it'll be the same this year as well
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: nick_wba on August 18, 2015, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 18, 2015, 08:29:00 AM
But for poor refereeing decisions they would have had three points. It wasn't their style of play or ambition that cost them. Did they look more or less likely to score away at Anfield than we did at Watford?

Really? Not so sure about that. For all their huff and puff Liverpool brushed them aside pretty convincingly. Yeah they passed the ball around midfield for a bit and pinged a few pretty long balls to Gradel but that's about all I saw from them. Yes they were unfortunate with the refereeing decisions, but I've got no doubt Liverpool would have still taken the 3 points with ease. For me it was like looking back at us circa 2009, they will finish bottom of this league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on August 18, 2015, 09:26:50 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 18, 2015, 09:03:02 AM
people saying Pulis is ruining the club, I think it was already ruined by the 2 years before he arrived.

Hodgson left us in a good position with a squad that could be built on.
we didn't build on it, we bought in a loan player to cover the cracks for a season, the defence was never really built on since Hodgson left apart from the revolving door at full back positions.

I'd say Pulis is rebuilding rather than ruining, and he's doing it the way he knows how.

it's pointless comparing us to teams like Bournemouth for a number of reasons. 1 being that we have a lot more to lose than them if we were to go down.

the football on show isn't great and it wasn't last season either apart from 1 or 2 games. it'll be the same this year as well

i agree with this almost completely - just that the football was mostly a lot worse than not great. However TP was brought in to do a job and he did it and he can only be judged on that as being successful or not. I cant say i like it much and whilst i do not think the should be playing all out attack either at home or away i do want a bit more enjoyment from watching us. i actually enjoyed maybe three games last season and most of the rest just made me cross. I have voted with my feet and not had a season ticket this year which actually hurts. Hope i will be regretting decision and joining the queue for half season tickets in November - although i rather doubt it. I do think that we are in a period of major rebuilding after a number of seasons of neglect and bad decisions (from a number of individuals) and we have to give TP the time to do it however frustrating it may be for another season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 18, 2015, 09:29:28 AM
Another point why we need to be careful is crowds dropping, I think a few, myself included eyed watford as a good day out however once that has passed along with the hangover :D i cant see to many wanting to get up very often in my eyes.

It gets to a point where you have the die hard fan base that i personally admire of 600 hundred or so and then those that will attend the game depending on how they feel.

Still early days and a deflected goal of john terrys butt will make me feel a tad more optimistic for sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 18, 2015, 09:49:00 AM
lets hope hes spent wisely but my guess is most of it will have gone down the drain
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 18, 2015, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 18, 2015, 09:49:00 AM
lets hope hes spent wisely but my guess is most of it will have gone down the drain

That's okay because most of it came out of the sewer that is Sky and the Premier League. :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 18, 2015, 10:57:03 AM
Had to laugh at this one

The average Premier League side, so far this season, has 50% possession

Its hard to imagine how that % could be anything else !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 18, 2015, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: Albionic on August 18, 2015, 10:57:03 AM
Had to laugh at this one

The average Premier League side, so far this season, has 50% possession

Its hard to imagine how that % could be anything else !

95% of football journalism is absolute $hite!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 18, 2015, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 17, 2015, 10:53:48 PM
Dont forget me.

Cant belive people are happy with him doing this to our club.

Don't think anyone is happy, it's just that a lot of people are accepting that we are in transition and that it's going to take time to sort it out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 18, 2015, 11:51:02 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 18, 2015, 11:49:38 AM
Don't think anyone is happy, it's just that a lot of people are accepting that we are in transition and that it's going to take time to sort it out.

Exactamundo.
I'm no Pulis fan, but, we have to give him time to build the squad and style before we judge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 18, 2015, 12:05:38 PM
Pulis has to balance long term rebuilding with short term success. McAuley, Olsson and Lescott will need to be replaced either now, or at the end of the season. I think that's a safe assumption.

However, right now, as I type, centre back is probably our strongest position, and there are other areas that need to be strengthened. It's impossible to pass comment without knowing what the next two weeks will hold.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 18, 2015, 12:51:12 PM
Quote from: MarkW on August 18, 2015, 12:05:38 PM
Pulis has to balance long term rebuilding with short term success.

Pulis doesn't do long term. He only thinks about the next season and no further.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on August 18, 2015, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 18, 2015, 08:38:32 AM




Trouble is whoever comes in when hes gone will have a complete overhaul on his hands

This is what worries me, I think to be honest some of the signings aren't much good at all but will probably do what Pulis wants and stay up but when he goes I think will be the problem.

Luckily Stoke had a billionaire to sort out the problems and give the manager a overhaul and new players to suit him where as we haven't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 18, 2015, 01:05:48 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on August 18, 2015, 12:51:12 PM
Pulis doesn't do long term. He only thinks about the next season and no further.

Short term we have enough decent centre halves to see us through.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 18, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on August 18, 2015, 12:57:17 PM
This is what worries me, I think to be honest some of the signings aren't much good at all but will probably do what Pulis wants and stay up but when he goes I think will be the problem.

Luckily Stoke had a billionaire to sort out the problems and give the manager a overhaul and new players to suit him where as we haven't.

YET !!!

I seriously think JP is releasing funds based upon a sale being achieved,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mellor on August 18, 2015, 01:28:08 PM
He's sort of a necessary evil in many ways. The total disciplinarian that will keep you afloat, without ever achieving much. Yes he will probably keep us up and probably will get rid of a lot of dead wood, but he won't build a team for future. After he left Stoke there was a major overhaul, which is still continuing now to an extent. But flip that around, we still have players from Mowbrays era dragging there feet around. We have also signed a lot of pooh before he arrived, the typical bottom of the table battle players (Gardner etc), so can't really be blamed for trying to start an overhaul. The big question for me is will the football improve if he signs who he wants? Because I fear if he doesn't sign the players we are set for 38 games set up like that. Tough one, but a little bit more intent would be nice now and then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on August 18, 2015, 02:41:52 PM
Really disagree with some of the comments. Pulis left Stoke in a very good position and the spine of their team last season were players he'd brought in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 18, 2015, 04:13:05 PM
As stated in another post i think Pulis needs to be given a fair crack once he has got his own players in, to me that would be around xmas time.

I have no doubt we will stay up this year but there has to be some sort of quality to the football, last season there were some superb performances under him (as there were shockers) so lets hope he does show a bit more adventure in future games, hopefully Watford was just a case of getting points on the board however they come.

However i think the problem he has got is his reputation from his Stoke days maybe puts certain players off, some ways thats a good thing, others a bad. Sako apparently said he didnt want to come to Albion because of the way we play football (though not sure why he would have a medical and discuss terms if he was that against it) also Praet the Belgian apparently said something similar and i would be shocked if certain types of player didnt view us that way.

I think good honest pro's like Fletcher, Lambert, McLean, are fine with his ways and i think even the wingers like McManaman, possibly Phillips are more direct than skilful and flair players. Thats just Pulis's way and it has worked for him in his career so far but i think it does mean we will miss out on alternate options in the squad meaning i think we will become fairly predictable in how we play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 18, 2015, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on August 18, 2015, 04:13:05 PM
As stated in another post i think Pulis needs to be given a fair crack once he has got his own players in, to me that would be around xmas time.

I have no doubt we will stay up this year but there has to be some sort of quality to the football, last season there were some superb performances under him (as there were shockers) so lets hope he does show a bit more adventure in future games, hopefully Watford was just a case of getting points on the board however they come.

However i think the problem he has got is his reputation from his Stoke days maybe puts certain players off, some ways thats a good thing, others a bad. Sako apparently said he didnt want to come to Albion because of the way we play football (though not sure why he would have a medical and discuss terms if he was that against it) also the Praet the Belgian apparently said something similar.

I think good honest pro's like Fletcher, Lambert, McLean, are fine with his ways and i think even the wingers like McManaman, possibly Phillips are more direct than skilful and flair players. Thats just Pulis's way and it has worked for him in his career so far but i think it does mean we will miss out on alternate options in the squad meaning i think we will become fairly predictable in how we play.
Shouldn't that be, gets his own players in and actually plays them!
Tongue in cheek comment in the main, as I am mainly pro Pulis at this moment in time, but there are players that he has bought that don't start regularly. We do know though that he favours a small core of regulars, so hopefully, by the end of the window, we will know the starting 11.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 18, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on August 18, 2015, 04:17:09 PM
Shouldn't that be, gets his own players in and actually plays them!
Tongue in cheek comment in the main, as I am mainly pro Pulis at this moment in time, but there are players that he has bought that don't start regularly. We do know though that he favours a small core of regulars, so hopefully, by the end of the window, we will know the starting 11.
I understand, but it's literally just the one game where he's done that (Watford).
Against City he started McLean, Chester and Lambert.

If he continues then questions have to be asked, but I can completely understand why he went 'back to basics' vs Watford, some players need weeks to bed in and get dripped into the first 11 slower than others.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on August 18, 2015, 05:57:51 PM
After conceding the 3 goals the way we did against City, I thought it was a cast iron certainty that we'd see the re-introduction to the team of Yacob & either McCauley or Ollson, & as it turned out we got all 3! You can't blame the bloke for the way he set up, which pretty much ensured we got a clean sheet & thus the minimum of 1 point on the board. What he can't legislate for is the poor performances of players like Fletcher & Gardner, which limited the supply to our attackers.
Sure, I don't like the way we set about these games, but I'm certainly not surprised. I have absolutely no doubt that TP will keep us up & you never know, with the likes of Rondon & Gnabry to feature regularly ( plus a couple of other attacking options) ... we may not be as ugly to watch as a lot of us expect!
P's ... do find it interesting JP & Pulis's comments on Berahino.
 JP ... we have no intention of selling him.
 Pulis ... every player has his price.
Reading between the lines, I think Pulis see's Rondon as our one up front (in games against the big boys), & also has plans for the money SB would bring in!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 18, 2015, 06:47:48 PM
People will not learn 2/38th of the season gone and the anti-TP brigade is as loud as they were after Leceister and QPR.Just like then TP will silence them again mark my words.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 18, 2015, 07:12:16 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 18, 2015, 11:33:34 AM
95% of football journalism is absolute $hite!

93% of statistics are made up... :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 18, 2015, 07:12:33 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on August 18, 2015, 06:47:48 PM
People will not learn 2/38th of the season gone and the anti-TP brigade is as loud as they were after Leceister and QPR.Just like then TP will silence them again mark my words.

Some sense finally , hard to find  amongst the nonsense great comment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 18, 2015, 07:28:57 PM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on August 18, 2015, 02:41:52 PM
Really disagree with some of the comments. Pulis left Stoke in a very good position and the spine of their team last season were players he'd brought in.

i'm with you mate. stoke were a nothing team until Pulis turned them around. he did a great job with Palace and a great job for us last season. when he joined 1st jan 2015, we were down. without Pulis we'd be in the Champs.

i also think that some fans are very selective with their memories. i've been supporting albion since 1977. i only remember 3 periods where we played great football. late 70s early 80s. ardiles, which doesn't really count and mowbay's team.

otherwise we've generally played pretty pooh, sometimes effective football.

we are a mid to lower tier prem side. people need to take a reality check. nowadays it's all about staying in the prem. and pulis is the best manager we could hope for.

personally i like him. proper english manager, like hodgson.

most teams not in the top 7 would love to have him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 18, 2015, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on August 18, 2015, 07:28:57 PM
i'm with you mate. stoke were a nothing team until Pulis turned them around. he did a great job with Palace and a great job for us last season. when he joined 1st jan 2015, we were down. without Pulis we'd be in the Champs.

i also think that some fans are very selective with their memories. i've been supporting albion since 1977. i only remember 3 periods where we played great football. late 70s early 80s. ardiles, which doesn't really count and mowbay's team.

otherwise we've generally played pretty pooh, sometimes effective football.

we are a mid to lower tier prem side. people need to take a reality check. nowadays it's all about staying in the prem. and pulis is the best manager we could hope for.

personally i like him. proper english manager, like hodgson.

most teams not in the top 7 would love to have him.

I totally agree with this.

It was summed up about Bournemouth. Although they play nice football we have got more points than them right now and will have at the end of the season. That's what it's all about.

P.S he's Welsh  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 18, 2015, 07:52:47 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on August 18, 2015, 12:57:17 PM
This is what worries me, I think to be honest some of the signings aren't much good at all but will probably do what Pulis wants and stay up but when he goes I think will be the problem.

Luckily Stoke had a billionaire to sort out the problems and give the manager a overhaul and new players to suit him where as we haven't.

That's assuming Pulis didn't have an overhaul on his hands...He inherited Samaras, Anichebe, Gardner, Baird, Brown etc. and an ageing defence.
We have Yacob, Morrison, Brunt who started in midfield in Clarke's first season.
Chester, Rondon and Lambert on paper are upgrades for sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 18, 2015, 08:43:54 PM
Quote from: Albionic on August 18, 2015, 10:57:03 AM
Had to laugh at this one

The average Premier League side, so far this season, has 50% possession

Its hard to imagine how that % could be anything else !

That's incredible...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 18, 2015, 08:47:03 PM
My two cents - i've been a sceptical supporter of Pulis and i've not been impressed by the set up in the first two games but i do feel we need to wait until the transfer window is shut and we get a few games into September before we see what should be judged.

On Saturday i watched the first half and then went shopping with my girlfriend at 4.00pm. Usually i'd contest but this time i jumped at the chance. For me that says it all - we need to improve but i also feel we will improve with Pulis once the dust has settled.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 18, 2015, 08:55:46 PM
To be fair to the bloke he's still trying to recover the mess of Irvine's overhaul.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 18, 2015, 09:17:48 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 18, 2015, 07:12:33 PM
Some sense finally , hard to find  amongst the nonsense great comment.
How many of your 30 posts so far have been polite?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 18, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 18, 2015, 09:17:48 PM
How many of your 30 posts so far have been polite?

It's the way I feel about some of the rubbish I hear in just sharing my view as are many I don't insult individuals personally I just give my honest view of what I read. Is there a rule against expressing my opinion ?

Sorry if I touched a nerve in you though ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jbird74 on August 18, 2015, 09:33:04 PM
Think pulis is getting some undeserved stick tbh, How poor is our squad,he is trying to strengthen everywhere because we need a complete overall. Yes the football is awful but its been awful for a few years now . Lets see what sept 1st brings
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on August 19, 2015, 02:12:46 AM
I think this is rather an apt poem for TP at this time. I know we are all getting anxious and some fans don't rate him and that's putting it mildly, but I for one  am glad he's running things and not some of our fans on both sides of the equation.

Both JP &TP know their business and are sensible levelheaded individuals who are adept at the game of poker that is today's football.


IF By Ruddyard Kippling

If you can keep your head when all about you   
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,   
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;   
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;   
    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;   
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same;   
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,   
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   
    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,   
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   
    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man(ager), my son!


Sorry for the bit of poetic license at the end of a great poem

Ps. IMHO, I think we could all learn something from the above.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on August 19, 2015, 02:24:39 AM
I think those of you who are criticising Pulis need to think long and hard who is out there and avaliable within the clubs structure who could inherit a poor side from a clueless coach (Irvine) and do better then Pulis with it.  Everyone talks about the quality of football being poor but for me the quality of football hasn't been anything special since the days of Mowbray. I think Pulis is honestly the best we can get for what we are trying to do and thats rebuild and pick ourselves up after a couple of really bad seasons on and off the pitch. One thing I will say before I finish what I have to say is sometimes in life you don't know what you truly had until it's gone. In TP I trust!  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lukeb on August 19, 2015, 02:35:53 AM
I don't think anyone is doubting TP's ability as a coach but at the moment, it truly is difficult to watch 90 mins. Even with Irvine I was at least half entertained watching us struggle!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yamaka on August 19, 2015, 07:32:31 AM
Quote from: AlbionFan on August 19, 2015, 02:12:46 AM
I think this is rather an apt poem for TP at this time. I know we are all getting anxious and some fans don't rate him and that's putting it mildly, but I for one  am glad he's running things and not some of our fans on both sides of the equation.

Both JP &TP know their business and are sensible levelheaded individuals who are adept at the game of poker that is today's football.


IF By Ruddyard Kippling

If you can keep your head when all about you   
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,   
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;   
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;   
    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;   
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same;   
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,   
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   
    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,   
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   
    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man(ager), my son!


Sorry for the bit of poetic license at the end of a great poem

Ps. IMHO, I think we could all learn something from the above.

Great post AlbionFan  :)

Thank you for reminding me of one of my favourite poems, which always helps me to put some perspective on things.

I also completely go along with your last comment, not only generally in my own life but also specifically at this point in what I see will be a prolonged debate. As said and like JP, we can say what we like about TP as a tactician but as a bloke he does have some admirable qualities.

Also reminds me of a comment I once heard in a bar:

Q. Do you like Kippling?
A. Dunno I've never Kippled.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: matt_wba912 on August 19, 2015, 08:32:16 AM
Of course the issue here is that whilst pullis is very good at being stubborn and not worrying about the opinions of others he's not very good at taking risks, certainly not "risking it all on one turn of pitch or toss" and there in lies the problem.  Spend all our time trying not to lose rather than trying to win.

Compare pullis to Cecil Rhodes who this poem was originally written about and you couldn't find two more different people when it comes to taking risks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gablythe on August 19, 2015, 08:45:46 AM
Perhaps we should get Rudyard in as manager. At least we'd be OK for cakes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 19, 2015, 09:05:22 AM
Quote from: AlbionFan on August 19, 2015, 02:12:46 AM
I think this is rather an apt poem for TP at this time. I know we are all getting anxious and some fans don't rate him and that's putting it mildly, but I for one  am glad he's running things and not some of our fans on both sides of the equation.

Both JP &TP know their business and are sensible levelheaded individuals who are adept at the game of poker that is today's football.


IF By Ruddyard Kippling

If you can keep your head when all about you   
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,   
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;   
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;   
    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;   
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same;   
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,   
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   
    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,   
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   
    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man(ager), my son!


Sorry for the bit of poetic license at the end of a great poem

Ps. IMHO, I think we could all learn something from the above.

Great post.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on August 19, 2015, 09:05:30 AM
Quote from: matt_wba912 on August 19, 2015, 08:32:16 AM
Of course the issue here is that whilst pullis is very good at being stubborn and not worrying about the opinions of others he's not very good at taking risks, certainly not "risking it all on one turn of pitch or toss" and there in lies the problem.  Spend all our time trying not to lose rather than trying to win.

Compare pullis to Cecil Rhodes who this poem was originally written about and you couldn't find two more different people when it comes to taking risks

My understanding was that, while the poem is aimed at Kiplings son, it was in fact inspired and written as a tribute to Leander Starr Jameson whom Kipling had met through his friendship with Rhodes. But you may be correct.

The poem urges an approach to life’s ups and downs that is balanced, grounded, stoic, humble, patient, rational, truthful, dependable, and persevering. But again, I suspect as with many things, it would be down to the reader to interpret the meaning for him / herself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on August 19, 2015, 09:06:45 AM
I think they have the bit about the great imposters triumph and disaster above the players entrance onto centre court at Wimbledon.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 19, 2015, 09:07:17 AM
This season is one of the most important in the clubs history where finance is concerned with the new TV money coming in next year 2016-17 and getting to the 40 points mark is the be all and end all of it. This club could not afford to be relegated especially this season and I am sure that Tony Pulis is going to get to that magical 40 points mark by having one style of play away from home, yes it may ( sorry it is ) a bit tedious to watch but the odd win will cheer us up till the next away game.

We cant really say anything about home games at the moment especially after just one game and against the team that IMHO will win the Premiership and that night they were on fire. I am sure we will see the odd tedious game at home if we are trying to keep hold of a lead. We may see a few games in which we show a really attacking style of play trying to get a point or three after going behind in a game.

But IMHO the 40 points mark is the most important and by hook or crook and he will try to achieve this by any means he can, even if it is boring to some fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: matt_wba912 on August 19, 2015, 09:19:21 AM
Quote from: AlbionFan on August 19, 2015, 09:05:30 AM
My understanding was that, while the poem is aimed at Kiplings son, it was in fact inspired and written as a tribute to Leander Starr Jameson whom Kipling had met through his friendship with Rhodes. But you may be correct.

The poem urges an approach to life’s ups and downs that is balanced, grounded, stoic, humble, patient, rational, truthful, dependable, and persevering. But again, I suspect as with many things, it would be down to the reader to interpret the meaning for him / herself.

I'm pretty sure it was inspired by the Jameson raid but I always thought it was looking at Rhodes role in this event, I may be wrong though

I always thought that this poem was something of a guide to being a functioning psychopath -as you say all down to interpretation though!

My issue with pullis is that like Mowbray he is dogmatic and in my mind that is rarely a good thing in any walk of life.  I don't mind losing per se provided we've given our all and were simply bettered on the day. I do mind not even trying to win.  I could forgive Mowbray his failings to some extent.  Yes he should have adapted but he always tried to win and was in part let down by the lack of any decent strikers (especially following the injury to miller).  To my mind this lack of firepower up front would have made any style of play redundant and resulted in relegation.  Pullis on te other hand has a good squad with quality players but still insist on giving away 70% of possession to the opposition and sitting out with two banks of four camped deep in our own half with the only aim being to nick a goal at some point between the 80th and 90th minute if we've managed to keep it to 0-0 by that point in the game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on August 19, 2015, 09:31:55 AM
Quote from: matt_wba912 on August 19, 2015, 09:19:21 AM
I'm pretty sure it was inspired by the Jameson raid but I always thought it was looking at Rhodes role in this event, I may be wrong though

I always thought that this poem was something of a guide to being a functioning psychopath -as you say all down to interpretation though!

My issue with pullis is that like Mowbray he is dogmatic and in my mind that is rarely a good thing in any walk of life.  I don't mind losing per se provided we've given our all and were simply bettered on the day. I do mind not even trying to win.  I could forgive Mowbray his failings to some extent.  Yes he should have adapted but he always tried to win and was in part let down by the lack of any decent strikers (especially following the injury to miller).  To my mind this lack of firepower up front would have made any style of play redundant and resulted in relegation.  Pullis on te other hand has a good squad with quality players but still insist on giving away 70% of possession to the opposition and sitting out with two banks of four camped deep in our own half with the only aim being to nick a goal at some point between the 80th and 90th minute if we've managed to keep it to 0-0 by that point in the game
I can understand your misgivings, but I think most, if not all, successful managers are dogmatic, the Likes of Sir Alex, Murhino, Wenger, Van Gal to name but a few  are and what they have in common is success.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on August 19, 2015, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: AlbionFan on August 19, 2015, 02:12:46 AM
I think this is rather an apt poem for TP at this time. I know we are all getting anxious and some fans don't rate him and that's putting it mildly, but I for one  am glad he's running things and not some of our fans on both sides of the equation.

Both JP &TP know their business and are sensible levelheaded individuals who are adept at the game of poker that is today's football.


IF By Ruddyard Kippling

If you can keep your head when all about you   
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,   
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;   
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;   
    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;   
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same;   
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,   
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   
    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,   
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   
    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man(ager), my son!


Sorry for the bit of poetic license at the end of a great poem

Ps. IMHO, I think we could all learn something from the above.
Theres only one mike bassett
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 19, 2015, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Tipton Baggie on August 19, 2015, 10:04:33 AM
Theres only one mike bassett

Well we are going to play 4-4-2 :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yamaka on August 19, 2015, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: Tipton Baggie on August 19, 2015, 10:04:33 AM
Theres only one mike bassett

Is Mike Bassett a functioning psychopath though I wonder? I guess one of the functions of art is to provide inspiration. I personally read this poem as a man telling his son that life ain't easy but don't give up.  I realise that Kipling also has a historical context (and also makes cakes) but that for me is academic.  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 19, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
i wonder if he will be hugging his mate in the tunnel this time around
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yamaka on August 19, 2015, 12:18:25 PM
Quote from: matt_wba912 on August 19, 2015, 08:32:16 AM
Of course the issue here is that whilst pullis is very good at being stubborn and not worrying about the opinions of others he's not very good at taking risks, certainly not "risking it all on one turn of pitch or toss" and there in lies the problem.  Spend all our time trying not to lose rather than trying to win.

Compare pullis to Cecil Rhodes who this poem was originally written about and you couldn't find two more different people when it comes to taking risks

To be fair TP took a bit of a gamble to say the least when he took us on. With the Pulisball reputation and a relegation to add to his CV his career could have been permanently derailed.

All relative of course I am sure he would have survived physically  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 19, 2015, 01:25:03 PM
Quote from: BB74 on August 18, 2015, 07:42:37 PM
I totally agree with this.

It was summed up about Bournemouth. Although they play nice football we have got more points than them right now and will have at the end of the season. That's what it's all about.

P.S he's Welsh  ;)

Welsh!

Better than Scots  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 21, 2015, 05:18:36 PM
TP  football  tactics might not be the most liked but his interviews are first class just a straight up guy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 21, 2015, 05:41:50 PM
He must be getting awfully p'd off with this transfer window by now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 21, 2015, 09:15:47 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on August 21, 2015, 05:41:50 PM
He must be getting awfully p'd off with this transfer window by now.

He'd be far unhappier if it was Burton overseeing it!

Not his fault that Spurs are not meeting the SB asking price, which has a knock on effect.

All clubs with players being coveted by bigger and richer clubs seem to be playing hardball.  Who can blame them?  If the rich clubs are going to get richer then we have to get our fair share of the trickle-down effect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 21, 2015, 10:31:16 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on August 21, 2015, 05:41:50 PM
He must be getting awfully p'd off with this transfer window by now.
why hes spent loads of money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 21, 2015, 11:29:18 PM
Quote from: spyro on August 21, 2015, 10:31:16 PM
why hes spent loads of money

I would suggest that so far he has not spent nearly so much as he had hoped to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIE5 on August 21, 2015, 11:59:28 PM
For the first time today.. Pulis looked a bit flat in terms of transfers. Just appeared like he felt he aint going to get the numbers he wanted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 22, 2015, 12:40:02 AM
I think he's more concerned with the outs than the ins, he knows for his 5 incomings then at least four need to go. But despite not being in his plans Ideye, Gamboa, Pocognoli and Sessegnon are assets the club wants a decent return for. I suspect there is far far less interest in these payers than he'd hoped.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 22, 2015, 06:01:02 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 22, 2015, 12:40:02 AM
I think he's more concerned with the outs than the ins, he knows for his 5 incomings then at least four need to go. But despite not being in his plans Ideye, Gamboa, Pocognoli and Sessegnon are assets the club wants a decent return for. I suspect there is far far less interest in these payers than he'd hoped.

I thought that might be the reason he seems frustrated a lot on here seem to think they will all be heading out but how, When we haven't even received a single bid for any of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 22, 2015, 07:40:39 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 22, 2015, 06:01:02 AM
I thought that might be the reason he seems frustrated a lot on here seem to think they will all be heading out but how, When we haven't even received a single bid for any of them.

The easiest one to sell is Brown Ideye but its unwise to sell him before the Saido situation is resolved. The others I think we will really struggle to offload.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 22, 2015, 08:00:47 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on August 22, 2015, 07:40:39 AM
The easiest one to sell is Brown Ideye but its unwise to sell him before the Saido situation is resolved. The others I think we will really struggle to offload.

Be interesting to know if there even training with the first team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 22, 2015, 10:30:48 AM
this comming week will determine our season. JP needs to keep our 15 goal a season man if he wants the big bucks on offer next season. TP knows what he wants, jp has to back him. this current squad of players just aint quite good enough to keep us up imo
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 22, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 22, 2015, 08:00:47 AM
Be interesting to know if there even training with the first team.

Seen images of training and Poco and Ideye 100% are so I don't see why Sess and Gamboa wouldn't be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 22, 2015, 11:04:46 AM
Quote from: baggie38 on August 19, 2015, 02:24:39 AM
I think those of you who are criticising Pulis need to think long and hard who is out there and avaliable within the clubs structure who could inherit a poor side from a clueless coach (Irvine) and do better then Pulis with it.  Everyone talks about the quality of football being poor but for me the quality of football hasn't been anything special since the days of Mowbray. I think Pulis is honestly the best we can get for what we are trying to do and thats rebuild and pick ourselves up after a couple of really bad seasons on and off the pitch. One thing I will say before I finish what I have to say is sometimes in life you don't know what you truly had until it's gone. In TP I trust!  :)

I couldn't agree more. In my humble opinion, supporting your team isn't about how much entertainment you can get from watching them, it's simply about the never ending desire for your team to earn points. I am not that selfish that I would take relegation with "free flowing and entertaining" football over a tried and tested defensive style of play which has proven to be extremely effective in getting results. All I care about is our results, and not one of you Pulis-haters here can hand on heart, say that he has not delivered results. That is the be all and end all for me as I love WBA more than I love watching entertaining football. Pulis has been a breath of fresh air, and I hope he see's his career out with us, as I will be getting to watch my team play in the best league in the world season after season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 22, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on August 22, 2015, 11:04:46 AM
Pulis has been a breath of fresh air, and I hope he see's his career out with us, as I will be getting to watch my team play in the best league in the world season after season.
Is there that much point in watching your team playing in the best league in the world if your team's main aim is to throttle any given match to death? Does playing that way make it a better league or a worse league? What if all of the teams below the top 6 or 7 approached games in the same way?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 22, 2015, 02:05:03 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 22, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
Is there that much point of watching your team playing in the best league in the world if your team's main aim is to throttle any given match to death? Does playing that way make it a better league or a worse league? What if all of the teams below the top 6 or 7 approached games in the same way?

In one word no but each to there own, If I stopped going to games pulis would be my first choice to manage our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 22, 2015, 02:28:24 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 22, 2015, 02:05:03 PM
In one word no but each to there own, If I stopped going to games pulis would be my first choice to manage our club.
pulis would be my last choice, id rather have martin jol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 22, 2015, 03:05:04 PM
Is there that much point in watching your team playing in the best league in the world if your team's main aim is to throttle any given match to death? Yes, as long as we get results

Does playing that way make it a better league or a worse league? What if all of the teams below the top 6 or 7 approached games in the same way? I couldn't give 2 s**ts what anybody else does as long as we are in the Prem season after season. Like I said before, my concern is WBA winning matches and when we don't win, drawing matches. I value my clubs wellbeing over my own amusement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on August 22, 2015, 04:06:27 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on August 22, 2015, 03:05:04 PM
Is there that much point in watching your team playing in the best league in the world if your team's main aim is to throttle any given match to death? Yes, as long as we get results

Does playing that way make it a better league or a worse league? What if all of the teams below the top 6 or 7 approached games in the same way? I couldn't give 2 s**ts what anybody else does as long as we are in the Prem season after season. Like I said before, my concern is WBA winning matches and when we don't win, drawing matches. I value my clubs wellbeing over my own amusement.



For this season whilst we are in a period of transition and the riches of next season I totally agree. Next season though if we are in the Premier league I will be expecting something a lot better
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 22, 2015, 05:41:52 PM
I think this boils down to 4 camps

1. Ultra Pragmatists - " I don't care what it looks like as long as it is effective."
2. Transitionists  -   "We will play better football as Pulis gets his own players in"
3. Skeptics -   "Pulisball as a necessary evil but do not believe it will change and will suffer it while it is here"
4. Anti Pulis - "It is horrible to watch isn't going to change and I would almost rather than be relegated than watch it!"

It is almost a matter of belief as to where you stand on the subject.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 22, 2015, 06:12:02 PM
I sometimes wonder if some people on here have ever played competitive sport, when you play a superior opponent in any sport, if you try to match them skill for skill, you will lose almost all of the time, the only time you may win is if they have an off day.

To beat them, you have to frustrate them, out compete them or tactically out think them.

Our club, like it or not, has less resources than most of the division, Tony Pulis is a master of the aforementioned winning ways, get used to it, it may not always be pretty, but he will get results against, more skilful and better resourced opponents.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on August 22, 2015, 06:14:39 PM
Quote from: Standaman on August 22, 2015, 05:41:52 PM
I think this boils down to 4 camps

1. Ultra Pragmatists - " I don't care what it looks like as long as it is effective."
2. Transitionists  -   "We will play better football as Pulis gets his own players in"
3. Skeptics -   "Pulisball as a necessary evil but do not believe it will change and will suffer it while it is here"
4. Anti Pulis - "It is horrible to watch isn't going to change and I would almost rather than be relegated than watch it!"

It is almost a matter of belief as to where you stand on the subject.

I'm somewhere in between 3 and 4 so can I add 3.5? Give him the 8 games after Chelsea then we decide.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on August 22, 2015, 06:15:59 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 22, 2015, 06:12:02 PM
I sometimes wonder if some people on here have ever played competitive sport, when you play a superior opponent in any sport, if you try to match them skill for skill, you will lose almost all of the time, the only time you may win is if they have an off day.

To beat them, you have to frustrate them, out compete them or tactically out think them.

Our club, like it or not, has less resources than most of the division, Tony Pulis is a master of the aforementioned winning ways, get used to it, it may not always be pretty, but he will get results against, more skilful and better resourced opponents.

Yeah we looked dynamite against Watford ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 22, 2015, 06:19:54 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 22, 2015, 06:12:02 PM
I sometimes wonder if some people on here have ever played competitive sport, when you play a superior opponent in any sport, if you try to match them skill for skill, you will lose almost all of the time, the only time you may win is if they have an off day.

To beat them, you have to frustrate them, out compete them or tactically out think them.

Our club, like it or not, has less resources than most of the division, Tony Pulis is a master of the aforementioned winning ways, get used to it, it may not always be pretty, but he will get results against, more skilful and better resourced opponents.

Better resourced in what way? Im intrigued to know what you think other clubs have that we dont
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 22, 2015, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 22, 2015, 06:19:54 PM
Better resourced in what way? Im intrigued to know what you think other clubs have that we dont
like swansea and stoke who spend the same amount of money that we do
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 22, 2015, 06:51:39 PM
Stoke have regularly spent more than us over the past 6 years.
Swansea also....courtesy of money mainly from Joe Allen and Bony
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on August 22, 2015, 06:59:52 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 22, 2015, 06:12:02 PM
I sometimes wonder if some people on here have ever played competitive sport, when you play a superior opponent in any sport, if you try to match them skill for skill, you will lose almost all of the time, the only time you may win is if they have an off day.

To beat them, you have to frustrate them, out compete them or tactically out think them.

Our club, like it or not, has less resources than most of the division, Tony Pulis is a master of the aforementioned winning ways, get used to it, it may not always be pretty, but he will get results against, more skilful and better resourced opponents.
Not having a go at you here mate but what would Watford be classed as? I personally wouldn't class them as superior or more skilful. I've always said it "pulisball" I don't like but will accept against your top 6/7 in the league. But when it's against team's in and around where we are, newly promoted teams, or teams that haven't won in x amount of games and we don't even try that's when I can't defend it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 22, 2015, 07:19:21 PM
It was a very good point away from home against a newly promoted team playing at home for first time. Don't know whether you noticed that west ham lost at home today?
TP is the best we have had since Hodgson and I am grateful that he is here
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 22, 2015, 07:27:40 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 22, 2015, 07:19:21 PM
It was a very good point away from home against a newly promoted team playing at home for first time. Don't know whether you noticed that west ham lost at home today?
TP is the best we have had since Hodgson and I am grateful that he is here

Or it was a poor point against a side who are probably going to be fighting for survival at the business end of the season.  ???

 Bournemouth scored four goals away from home in one match. How many away matches do you think it will take us to score four goals in total?

Time and a place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on August 22, 2015, 07:31:28 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 22, 2015, 07:19:21 PM
It was a very good point away from home against a newly promoted team playing at home for first time. Don't know whether you noticed that west ham lost at home today?
TP is the best we have had since Hodgson and I am grateful that he is here
Could also look at it this way
Villa went to a newly promoted team and won
We went to a newly promoted team and drew having no intention of trying to win
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 22, 2015, 07:37:14 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 22, 2015, 07:27:40 PM
Or it was a poor point against a side who are probably going to be fighting for survival at the business end of the season.  ???

 Bournemouth scored four goals away from home in one match. How many away matches do you think it will take us to score four goals in total?

Time and a place.


A lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 22, 2015, 07:40:58 PM
But then Villa went to Palace lost.Man U played a team which struggled and drew.It has always been so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 22, 2015, 07:57:01 PM
The match that really sums up Pulis for me was Villa away in the league last season
When we equalised you could see the Vile's heads drop for ten to fifteen minutes and when they realised that we weren't pushing on for the win you could see their confidence grow and the rest is history
TP is such a negative coach the home game before Stoke had gone on to beat the vile after being in the same position.
If people want to watch pulisball then fair enough but I tell you that night when we got it back to 1-1 villa were there for the taking and with any other coach in charge we would have gone on to win even Irvine.
I know people will say what about the away win against Man Utd but it was backs to the wall and not half as entertaining as the win under Clarke.
I remember four years ago sitting in the Halfords dominating a game against Stoke then in the last minute think it was Tamas and Foster f**ked up and Shotton ran the ball in to a empty net.
To a man people around me were shouting I don't know how them clayheads put up watching that every week and I could never have Pulis down here.
Seems to me and I'm not knocking anyone for it but a lot of people on here' are prepared to get into bed with the devil   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 22, 2015, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 22, 2015, 07:27:40 PM
Or it was a poor point against a side who are probably going to be fighting for survival at the business end of the season.  ???

 Bournemouth scored four goals away from home in one match. How many away matches do you think it will take us to score four goals in total?

Time and a place.

They also conceded three how long will it take for us to concede 3 goals away ?

They won by 1 goal 1-0 or 3-4 same points at the end of the game, same goal difference at the end of the game COYB!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 22, 2015, 08:40:25 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 22, 2015, 08:27:46 PM
They also conceded three how long will it take for us to concede 3 goals away ?

They won by 1 goal 1-0 or 3-4 same points at the end of the game, same goal difference at the end of the game COYB!

Also a good point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 22, 2015, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 22, 2015, 08:27:46 PM
They also conceded three how long will it take for us to concede 3 goals away ?

They won by 1 goal 1-0 or 3-4 same points at the end of the game, same goal difference at the end of the game COYB!

We are happy enough to concede 3 goals at home which has happened 3 times under Pulis. Unless we keep a clean sheet we have virtually no chance of winning a game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 22, 2015, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 22, 2015, 08:27:46 PM
They also conceded three how long will it take for us to concede 3 goals away ?

They won by 1 goal 1-0 or 3-4 same points at the end of the game, same goal difference at the end of the game COYB!
A very good point. Wake me up when the 90 minutes are over (yawn).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on August 22, 2015, 09:17:01 PM
People seem split down the middle on TP,it might be the longest thread ever :/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 22, 2015, 09:29:08 PM
Quote from: Shanewba90 on August 22, 2015, 06:59:52 PM
Not having a go at you here mate but what would Watford be classed as? I personally wouldn't class them as superior or more skilful. I've always said it "pulisball" I don't like but will accept against your top 6/7 in the league. But when it's against team's in and around where we are, newly promoted teams, or teams that haven't won in x amount of games and we don't even try that's when I can't defend it

Let's see over a season, new teams are often very unpredictable early on.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 22, 2015, 09:32:44 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 22, 2015, 09:29:08 PM
Let's see over a season, new teams are often very unpredictable early on.
Remember when I predicted a 6-0 loss to Chelsea and the next game 1-0 win v Sunderland? Mystic Meg I ay but it just seemed like a punt!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 22, 2015, 09:50:35 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 22, 2015, 07:27:40 PM
Bournemouth scored four goals away from home in one match. How many away matches do you think it will take us to score four goals in total?
That would be the same Bournemouth who some here derided for their failure to get a point at Liverpool, despite their positive attitude, whilst also pointing to our negative and sterile display at Watford as the way to go because it got us a point. It's too early to be making comparisons, of course, but it'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

Right now, though, Eddie Howe must be regarded as a miracle worker for what he's doing with a side that still mostly comprises last seasons players. What kind of squad will Pulis end up with to weave his magic with....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 23, 2015, 02:09:53 AM
Can't find a suitable thread so will post on here as it is kind of Pulis related.

I am surprised during this transfer window that few on this board nor Pulis until the last few days as I understand haven't commented on the desperate need in my opinion of a central midfield player that can link effectively with the strike force. This is something that has been needed for a long time now yet the main focus of discussion has been on other areas.

I don't really understand the thinking behind bringing in several wide players. I think Pulis has rarely commented on wanting a central midfield player-maker. We only have one player who seems to fulfill the central midfield attacking role when he is on his game and that's Morrison but how often has he been played out wide or in a defensive midfield position.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 23, 2015, 07:53:46 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 22, 2015, 06:19:54 PM
Better resourced in what way? Im intrigued to know what you think other clubs have that we dont

We are recovering from two seasons of pretty awful signings, Pulis inherited an unbalanced, aging, pace less squad of mediocre quality, rebuilding will require patience and good decision making.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sammyg on August 23, 2015, 08:38:39 AM
So pulis has said he wants a long stay at the baggies. Personally I quite like him as a manager, he knows how to get points , and if we can play like he got crystal palace playing , then I'd be happy. We can't judge him for this season yet until the transfer window is shut and he's got the team playing how he wants. We've had pretty tough fixtures so far, so a point from 2 games isn't too bad at all. Come on you baggies
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 23, 2015, 08:57:22 AM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on August 22, 2015, 09:17:01 PM
People seem split down the middle on TP,it might be the longest thread ever :/
I'm very clear
Don't dislike him as a person,think that tactically he his very astute and drills his sides very well,almost guarantees 40-48 points regardless of the club
But
I gave up my season ticket because it's not attractive and whilst I'm clever enough to understand football is a business etc I want to use MY money to benefit and or entertain ME
Also add he is a little too old school in treatment of people who may not get on with him (poco)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on August 23, 2015, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 23, 2015, 07:53:46 AM
We are recovering from two seasons of pretty awful signings, Pulis inherited an unbalanced, aging, pace less squad of mediocre quality, rebuilding will require patience and good decision making.

I'd agree and think this sums things up very well.

Personally I feel he's doing a good job and hope he's with us for the long term, and the next few results will not have any bearing on that viewpoint as per the excellent summary of the situation made by Black Pearl above.

Patience is a virtue and realistic expectations = a content supporter
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 23, 2015, 11:03:30 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 23, 2015, 07:53:46 AM
We are recovering from two seasons of pretty awful signings, Pulis inherited an unbalanced, aging, pace less squad of mediocre quality, rebuilding will require patience and good decision making.
but nothings changed, he's still playing the unbalanced aging pace less players of mediocre quality. weve got sess macmanuman and mclean two of which pulis signed and seen very little of them, he signed a younger defender in chester and dropped him after one game and played him out of position. pulis in my eye is creating the unbalanced team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 23, 2015, 11:14:03 AM
Just think where we would be if we had stumped up the cash for Lukkaku.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 23, 2015, 12:54:29 PM
Tony Pulis playing wingers?!?!?! Another myth debunked. What are people going to moan at now I wonder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 23, 2015, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: addy on August 23, 2015, 12:54:29 PM
Tony Pulis playing wingers?!?!?! Another myth debunked. What are people going to moan at now I wonder.
He's always used wingers?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 23, 2015, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 23, 2015, 12:58:13 PM
He's always used wingers?!

Not according to many on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 23, 2015, 01:03:14 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 23, 2015, 11:14:03 AM
Just think where we would be if we had stumped up the cash for Lukkaku.

Lukaku didn't want the move and we didn't have the cash either , cloud cuckoo
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 23, 2015, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: addy on August 23, 2015, 12:58:54 PM
Not according to many on here.
I thought his thing was back four of centre backs, wingers to compensate for not having attacking full backs, either two large strikers or a little and large pair and try to forgo the central midfield as much as possible by either hoofing it over or countering on the outside.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2015, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 23, 2015, 01:07:32 PM
I thought his thing was back four of centre backs, wingers to compensate for not having attacking full backs, either two large strikers or a little and large pair and try to forgo the central midfield as much as possible by either hoofing it over or countering on the outside.

Falls down at the first line. Brunt is not a centre back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 23, 2015, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2015, 01:09:08 PM
Falls down at the first line. Brunt is not a centre back.

Don't let the facts get in the way of another pop at Pulis   :D

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: harryjallstarwba on August 23, 2015, 04:13:20 PM
Actually think Brunt and Dawson out the best full backs we've had for a long time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 23, 2015, 04:15:56 PM
Quote from: harryjallstarwba on August 23, 2015, 04:13:20 PM
Actually think Brunt and Dawson out the best full backs we've had for a long time

Still part of a defence that continues to ship goals though. Who was the last genuine RB we've had?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 23, 2015, 04:21:26 PM
Olsson is all at sea with anything other than an aerial duel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 23, 2015, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 23, 2015, 04:15:56 PM
Still part of a defence that continues to ship goals though. Who was the last genuine RB we've had?
Bar Gamboa, Jones would be the last "dedicated" right back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbatillidie on August 23, 2015, 04:24:25 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 23, 2015, 11:14:03 AM
Just think where we would be if we had stumped up the cash for Lukkaku.

They paid close to £30 million for him and Saido outscored him last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on August 23, 2015, 04:31:18 PM
Quote from: harryjallstarwba on August 23, 2015, 04:13:20 PM
Actually think Brunt and Dawson out the best full backs we've had for a long time

Agreed! Both Dawson and Brunt defend well, and surprisingly for an ex CB Dawson also gets forward quite well and often puts a very good cross in.

Brunty we know can do this and with a winger in front of him or a fast tricky midfielder to work with can be very dangerous coming inside or on the overlap and crossing. What we have not had so far is someone with the nouse and ability to take advantage - someone like Gera perhaps (who in his prime) was able to play with an overlapping FB to link defence and attack.

Unfortunately the centre backs are now also showing their age so the whole defence looks a little more suspect, but this in my opinion is not the fault of Dawson or Brunt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: harryjallstarwba on August 23, 2015, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 23, 2015, 04:15:56 PM
Still part of a defence that continues to ship goals though. Who was the last genuine RB we've had?

Yes we've conceded 3 against City and Chelsea this season, but how many clean sheets have we had since those two have been our FBs?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 23, 2015, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: harryjallstarwba on August 23, 2015, 04:39:45 PM
Yes we've conceded 3 against City and Chelsea this season, but how many clean sheets have we had since those two have been our FBs?

10 clean sheets in 18 games last season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on August 23, 2015, 04:56:37 PM
I thought our full backs did ok. Brunt was brilliant at times. The centre backs on the other hand primarily Olsson were very disappointing.  Did Olsson used to be good at passing or did I dream that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 23, 2015, 05:09:03 PM
Better performance todayso credit where its due. which gives us a bit of hope.

We are still bottom though. 1 point from first 3 games.

Massive week for us this week. Berahino going, i expect another forward another 2 midfielders and a centre half.

Time will tell.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 23, 2015, 05:48:03 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on August 23, 2015, 04:56:37 PM
I thought our full backs did ok. Brunt was brilliant at times. The centre backs on the other hand primarily Olsson were very disappointing.  Did Olsson used to be good at passing or did I dream that?

You most definitely dreamed that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 23, 2015, 06:08:27 PM
Much better today. Good to see a team selection with a bit of intent and ambition rather than resorting to the rubbish of Gardner and Morrison out wide where we look ponderous and there for the taking.

There are two things he should have learned on todays viewing however;

1. Callum McMannaman has to start regularly. Even away from home purely because he offers us an outlet - a different option. I'll be inebriated off if I go to Stoke next week and see he has been dropped for the waste of space Gardner.

2. He needs to make some changes to our central defence. Joleon Lescott is our best centre half and should be starting games ahead of Jonas Olsson who should really be moving on this summer. The other question is whether you drop McAuley too and operate with a central pairing of Chester and Lescott which to me is more appealing than watching McAuley and Olsson
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 23, 2015, 06:09:47 PM
Credit where it is due he did not make the same mistake as he did against City okay we lost but
the 4-2-3-1 is a far better option than a 4-4-2.  I'm not going to quibble about the various selection decisions but the whole performance was a lot better and provided we see more of that I will be a lot happier with Pulis. I guess we will see how we are progressing next week at Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 23, 2015, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: Standaman on August 23, 2015, 06:09:47 PM
Credit where it is due he did not make the same mistake as he did against City okay we lost but
the 4-2-3-1 is a far better option than a 4-4-2.  I'm not going to quibble about the various selection decisions but the whole performance was a lot better and provided we see more of that I will be a lot happier with Pulis. I guess we will see how we are progressing next week at Stoke.

Did Pulis get struck by yesterdays lighting? ;)

I always thought he would play that formation, I really enjoyed the game even though we lost. Hopefully he can get some real quality players in the next week or so before the window closes and we will be totally fine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on August 24, 2015, 08:16:19 AM
Just watched TP's after match interview on the BBC web site and he looked and sounded drained and worn out.

The man must be working close on a 20 hour day by the look of him, bags under his eyes and frowning which is unlike him, he's normally very bubbly and positive.

I'm sure the stress of trying to get players in and out and preparing the team for match days is taking its toll, I just hope he has enough common sense and people round him advising him of his own health and welbeing.

I am convinced that he is 100% committed to the Albion and loves the club. I'm sure he is also on a very good salary, but I wouldn't want his job for twice the amount whatever it is.

I hope that fans, whether they are for, against or indifferent to him can appreciate his level of commitment the effort and work he is putting into the club to his own detriment by the looks of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 24, 2015, 08:20:32 AM
Quote from: AlbionFan on August 24, 2015, 08:16:19 AM
Just watched TP's after match interview on the BBC web site and he looked and sounded drained and worn out.

The man must be working close on a 20 hour day by the look of him, bags under his eyes and frowning which is unlike him, he's normally very bubbly and positive.

I'm sure the stress of trying to get players in and out and preparing the team for match days is taking its toll, I just hope he has enough common sense and people round him advising him of his own health and welbeing.

I am convinced that he is 100% committed to the Albion and loves the club. I'm sure he is also on a very good salary, but I wouldn't want his job for twice the amount whatever it is.

I hope that fans, whether they are for, against or indifferent to him can appreciate his level of commitment the effort and work he is putting into the club to his own detriment by the looks of him.

The blokes a complete fitness freak I wouldn't worry to much about he's health, he arrives at any club he's ever been at 6.30 prompt for he's own weight session.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on August 24, 2015, 08:28:11 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 24, 2015, 08:20:32 AM
The blokes a complete fitness freak I wouldn't worry to much about he's health, he arrives at any club he's ever been at 6.30 prompt for he's own weight session.

I had a work colleague who was younger than TP and was also a fitness fanatic, he had a heart attack whilst out running, he survived fortunately.

So, I think it is always advisable to consider health and welbeing no matter how fit or otherwise you are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ranvir wba90 on August 24, 2015, 08:42:02 AM
just hope he keeps with the 4-2-3-1 foramtion suits us so much better i would bring in either chester or lescott for olsson.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 24, 2015, 09:04:25 AM
Quote from: ranvir wba90 on August 24, 2015, 08:42:02 AM
just hope he keeps with the 4-2-3-1 foramtion suits us so much better i would bring in either chester or lescott for olsson.

I watched the highlights again, Olsson's performance just gets worse, he's everywhere and nowhere for all the goals, completely out of his depth, time has caught up with him I'm afraid, been a good signing but MUST be replaced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2015, 09:09:23 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 24, 2015, 09:04:25 AM
I watched the highlights again, Olsson's performance just gets worse, he's everywhere and nowhere for all the goals, completely out of his depth, time has caught up with him I'm afraid, been a good signing but MUST be replaced.

Agreed, I had hoped that his performance against Watford was a return to form but it appears not. 2nd half he was better as he didn't try any long hoofs, played it short instead.

Apart from Olsson (but could see why he put him in) I thought Pulis put out a very competitive side and we played some decent stuff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 24, 2015, 11:17:37 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 24, 2015, 09:04:25 AM
I watched the highlights again, Olsson's performance just gets worse, he's everywhere and nowhere for all the goals, completely out of his depth, time has caught up with him I'm afraid, been a good signing but MUST be replaced.

As things stand, I dont think TP has much choice, if the reports, that JL wants to leave, are correct, clearly JL's "head's not right" & Jonas is the only other option.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 24, 2015, 11:37:22 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 24, 2015, 11:17:37 AM
As things stand, I dont think TP has much choice, if the reports, that JL wants to leave, are correct, clearly JL's "head's not right" & Jonas is the only other option.

You are probably right, but its disappointing because Olsson has been on the slide for 18 months (remember last seasons start), TP is looking like he will have to do a big defensive building job as well! ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on August 24, 2015, 11:43:59 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 24, 2015, 11:17:37 AM
As things stand, I dont think TP has much choice, if the reports, that JL wants to leave, are correct, clearly JL's "head's not right" & Jonas is the only other option.

So our new £8 million international centre back isn't an option then? If TP honestly doesn't rate him then Chester will go down as the biggest waste of money EVER and there will be no excuse that he was anyone else's signing, no Terry Burton or director of this and that pulling the transfer strings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 24, 2015, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 24, 2015, 11:17:37 AM
As things stand, I dont think TP has much choice, if the reports, that JL wants to leave, are correct, clearly JL's "head's not right" & Jonas is the only other option.

Where are these reports that Lescott wants to leave?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darby009 on August 24, 2015, 12:01:16 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 24, 2015, 11:43:59 AM
So our new £8 million international centre back isn't an option then? If TP honestly doesn't rate him then Chester will go down as the biggest waste of money EVER and there will be no excuse that he was anyone else's signing, no Terry Burton or director of this and that pulling the transfer strings.

chester was brought as a RB option I believe, he played right side of a back 3 at hull
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 24, 2015, 12:06:04 PM
I am quite happy to damn Pulis at every turn but to write off Chester after 3 games is a record even by this board's fickle standards. I really think we have to get half a season in with the new recruits before we damn Pulis's transfer market record.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on August 24, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 24, 2015, 11:43:59 AM
So our new £8 million international centre back isn't an option then? If TP honestly doesn't rate him then Chester will go down as the biggest waste of money EVER and there will be no excuse that he was anyone else's signing, no Terry Burton or director of this and that pulling the transfer strings.

I would agree on Chester. What is the point of spending all that money on him and not playing him! Yes he did not have a good game against City but nor did a lot of people, it was his 1st game for the club. As for Lescott's 'Head not being in the right place'. I could understand it if there was an illness or bereavement in his family, he is a grown man who is paid a lot of money to play football and should get on with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 24, 2015, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Standaman on August 24, 2015, 12:06:04 PM
I am quite happy to damn Pulis at every turn but to write off Chester after 3 games is a record even by this board's fickle standards. I really think we have to get half a season in with the new recruits before we damn Pulis's transfer market record.
Can't see anyone writing him off, more questioning why we have spent £8million on a centre back, only to view him as a right back and then not to play him anyway.  Personally I thought there was something fundamentally wrong yesterday as I watched Pulis bemoaning our defending on Match of the Day and emphasising the need for more reinforcements, all whilst we have Chester and Lescott sitting on the bench, madness.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 24, 2015, 12:23:28 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 24, 2015, 11:43:59 AM
So our new £8 million international centre back isn't an option then? If TP honestly doesn't rate him then Chester will go down as the biggest waste of money EVER and there will be no excuse that he was anyone else's signing, no Terry Burton or director of this and that pulling the transfer strings.

It's already been said, but I thought Chester was brought in as a right-sided option? In terms of experienced players, the managers' choice is either JL or JO on the left.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 24, 2015, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 24, 2015, 11:56:22 AM
Where are these reports that Lescott wants to leave?


Nothing substantiated, but there are a number of reports on social media, that Lescott wants to leave. I did qualify it by saying IF they are true
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 24, 2015, 12:33:42 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 24, 2015, 12:14:01 PM
Can't see anyone writing him off, more questioning why we have spent £8million on a centre back, only to view him as a right back and then not to play him anyway.  Personally I thought there was something fundamentally wrong yesterday as I watched Pulis bemoaning our defending on Match of the Day and emphasising the need for more reinforcements, all whilst we have Chester and Lescott sitting on the bench, madness.

Sorry in the context of the recent posts perhaps I over stated my case but I have seen one or two posts damning Chester as a poor signing. I said in my earlier post I wasn't going to quibble about team selection on the basis that I didn't see the naive 4-4-2 or it's ultra defensive cousin 4-1-4-1 and therefore was just happy that Pulis might be growing tactically. Olsson ahead of Lescott is just strange as is ongoing exile to the bench of James Chester as we pursue other (expensive) Centre Back options. Not sure where this heading but we no doubt will see when the window finally closes.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 24, 2015, 12:47:28 PM
I think it's fair to say that TP is using these early games to try one or two things. IMO the new signings will feature a lot more as the season progresses.

I'm not sure that Saido was left out yesterday because his "head wasn't right". Just a Pulis experiment to see what would happen if he did go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 24, 2015, 01:07:11 PM
Quote from: Standaman on August 24, 2015, 12:33:42 PM
Sorry in the context of the recent posts perhaps I over stated my case but I have seen one or two posts damning Chester as a poor signing. I said in my earlier post I wasn't going to quibble about team selection on the basis that I didn't see the naive 4-4-2 or it's ultra defensive cousin 4-1-4-1 and therefore was just happy that Pulis might be growing tactically. Olsson ahead of Lescott is just strange as is ongoing exile to the bench of James Chester as we pursue other (expensive) Centre Back options. Not sure where this heading but we no doubt will see when the window finally closes.

If anybody at the club are writing Chester off after 2 games then somebody should have their scrotum severley twisted
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2015, 04:29:16 PM
you have to feel for the bloke i suppose, certainly earning his corn
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 24, 2015, 05:13:57 PM
Whether you like Pulis or not one things for sure, the team and squad needed a shake up / re-shaping. He has said its a season of transition and i would agree with that. He will lose Berahino and just like the season after we sold Odemwingie, Long and Lukaku went back to Chelsea it will be a struggle. Rondon looks a prospect but do we have a goalscorer? May have to go for Austin...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on August 25, 2015, 07:47:28 PM
Can someone explain what possible logic there can be for paying 8 million for a centre half and him not even getting a game in his best position on the sodding league cup. It's just mad!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 25, 2015, 07:48:36 PM
Quote from: we8seals on August 25, 2015, 07:47:28 PM
Can someone explain what possible logic there can be for paying 8 million for a centre half and him not even getting a game in his best position on the sodding league cup. It's just mad!!!

It looks like TP sees Chester as a rb.  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on August 25, 2015, 07:52:32 PM
Quote from: we8seals on August 25, 2015, 07:47:28 PM
Can someone explain what possible logic there can be for paying 8 million for a centre half and him not even getting a game in his best position on the sodding league cup. It's just mad!!!

Pulis sees Chester as a right back, Chester said so himself in the programme on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 08:19:36 PM
£8m for a reserve right back.  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on August 25, 2015, 08:41:38 PM
We could've got a very good actual right back for £8m... Pulis' infantile agenda with full backs strikes once again. Oh dear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 25, 2015, 08:57:06 PM
The £8 million right back playing left back
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 25, 2015, 08:58:38 PM
Something inherently wrong with this team. Transfer window mess or not, we can't even put a good performance together against Port Vale.

We need Creativity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 09:01:08 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on August 25, 2015, 08:58:38 PM
Something inherently wrong with this team. Transfer window mess or not, we can't even put a good performance together against Port Vale.

We need Creativity.

Yes we're S**T.  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on August 25, 2015, 09:38:49 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on August 25, 2015, 08:58:38 PM
Something inherently wrong with this team. Transfer window mess or not, we can't even put a good performance together against Port Vale.

We need Creativity.
We're taking about a Pulis team here. Creativity is actively discouraged.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on August 25, 2015, 09:45:00 PM
The Vale commentators saying Lambert has had a shocker.  They can't believe how bad he has been tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 25, 2015, 09:54:29 PM
Tony Pulis is our manager. What the fugg did everyone expect. Champagne football with youth players breaking into the first team?

While ive said already that Pulis the man comes across ok, Im sick of Pulis the manager.

Varela, lescott, sessegnon, poco, mcmanaman, chester, mclean, gardner, gamboa, ideye...players who are either rubbish, played out of position or never given a chance under Pulis.

Wtf Albion. For the first time in probably 20 years im going to bed without knowing the result because this approach is killingbthe soul of our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 25, 2015, 11:00:08 PM
this club means more to me than anything else but I just don't see a bright future with pulis as manager, hope im wrong but the signs point to a struggle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 25, 2015, 11:12:05 PM
Can someone explain to me what is pulis doing, baffled by players playing out of position. Not playing our best forward or center half who are being paid by the club. Why has he frozen out so many players? Time for JP to have a word
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 25, 2015, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: paulosull on August 25, 2015, 11:12:05 PM
Can someone explain to me what is pulis doing, baffled by players playing out of position. Not playing our best forward or center half who are being paid by the club. Why has he frozen out so many players? Time for JP to have a word

Because Saido and Lescott most likely have about a week left of their Albion careers?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 25, 2015, 11:25:09 PM
Berahino isn't his fault. Whoever was manager would be preparing to sell him. Lescott is valid.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 25, 2015, 11:26:26 PM
Quote from: frazzle on August 25, 2015, 09:54:29 PM
Tony Pulis is our manager. What the fugg did everyone expect. Champagne football with youth players breaking into the first team?

While ive said already that Pulis the man comes across ok, Im sick of Pulis the manager.

Varela, lescott, sessegnon, poco, mcmanaman, chester, mclean, gardner, gamboa, ideye...players who are either rubbish, played out of position or never given a chance under Pulis.

Wtf Albion. For the first time in probably 20 years im going to bed without knowing the result because this approach is killingbthe soul of our club.

Last year we won on penalties in the first round of the league cup against Oxford and we were rubbish then as well.....Pulis wasn't the manager at the time :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 25, 2015, 11:26:47 PM
Quote from: paulosull on August 25, 2015, 11:12:05 PM
Can someone explain to me what is pulis doing, baffled by players playing out of position. Not playing our best forward or center half who are being paid by the club. Why has he frozen out so many players? Time for JP to have a word

What would you say if he picked Lescott and he scored an own goal on purpose? What would you say if Berahino refused to run for the ball?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 25, 2015, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 25, 2015, 11:26:47 PM
What would you say if he picked Lescott and he scored an own goal on purpose? What would you say if Berahino refused to run for the ball?
mate there paid professional footballer players don't think they would do that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 25, 2015, 11:31:01 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 25, 2015, 11:26:26 PM
Last year we won on penalties in the first round of the league cup against Oxford and we were rubbish then as well.....Pulis wasn't the manager at the time :)
at least we scored a goal then with a mostly 2nd string side, you could also argue that Pulis is supposed to be the better manager. Irvine's excuse is incompetence, what's Pulis'?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 25, 2015, 11:34:06 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 25, 2015, 11:31:01 PM
at least we scored a goal then with a mostly 2nd string side, you could also argue that Pulis is supposed to be the better manager. Irvine's excuse is incompetence, what's Pulis'?

We scored an own goal and missed two of the pens in the shoot out.

Tonight if players had put chances away we could have had 4 or 5 and then scored all in the shoot out.

Its not an argument to state Pulis is the better manager, its a fact and the turnaround of this club will take time, its not a 5 minute job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 25, 2015, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: paulosull on August 25, 2015, 11:30:09 PM
mate there paid professional footballer players don't think they would do that

They are also spiteful millionaires who live in a bubble.

Mourinho refused to play Gallas before he moved to Arsenal for that same reason.

Why would Berahino sprint and risk pulling a hammy if he had a medical at Spurs or Man United in a couple of days time?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 25, 2015, 11:48:03 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 25, 2015, 11:31:01 PM
at least we scored a goal then with a mostly 2nd string side, you could also argue that Pulis is supposed to be the better manager. Irvine's excuse is incompetence, what's Pulis'?
If we're going to get picky then:
A) Oxford were bottom of league 2 at the time, Port Vale are in league 1 (Port Vale are the better side)
B) Yes, we scored from open play with Irvine, but we also got a clean sheet with Pulis. So far this season he has 2 clean sheets from 4 games.

I think it's pretty pointless comparing the two, they are very different managers. I have said this for weeks now, but please judge Pulis a few weeks after the window shuts. If he's still poor then is the time to judge him, but for now it is far too early.
For instance, I remember when the Wolves went down under McCarthy, they started the season with 7 points from 3 games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 26, 2015, 12:00:18 AM
Anyone who tries to defend that shower of sh1te needs their jead looking at.

I will say it again, HE WILL RUIN OUR CLUB.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 26, 2015, 12:24:23 AM
We are Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 26, 2015, 12:28:16 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 26, 2015, 12:00:18 AM
Anyone who tries to defend that shower of sh1te needs their jead looking at.

I will say it again, HE WILL RUIN OUR CLUB.

No, the fans who boo players and criticise everything Pulis does will ruin our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 26, 2015, 12:45:18 AM
I can't make an argument for Berahino's or Lescott's inclusion they are almost certainly not going to be Albion players by the end of the week yes we are paying their wages but if they are not going to be around we had better get used to the fact.

We were fortunate today to be playing Port Vale had we trotted that out against any Premier League side we would have lost by two clear goals. It is plain we do not have the players to play 4-4-2. We do not have a natural number 10 and we don't have 1 genuine box to box midfielder let alone two. We looked okay in a  4-2-3-1 on Sunday but obviously that is not going to be the default plan.

I am not going to criticise the selection of centre halves in the full back slots that's now just an amusing foible compared to mortal sin of playing an aging Fletcher and an extremely defensive Yacob in central midfield. I think that those of us who were harboring hopes of Lambeth being some sort of Teddy Sherringham type figure us need to acknowledge on the evidence to date that is not going to happen, not to say he has no role or won't be useful just not that role.

For those who of you have been bleating about wingers I would point out that we had wingers out there although played on the wrong wing and one has to feel sorry for them with balls being fired at them at knee height from 10 yards away. Does Pulis do ball work or are our players still running up hills?

All together another match were all my old reservations Pulisball came flooding back I really fear for us against Stoke if that  is the tactical template. Incidentally I do not boo our players nor criticise everything that Pulis does but I cannot in truth look at tonight and fathom why the coach cannot see this group of players is not cut out for his rigid 4-4-2 other than it his fixed way of working. From that perspective he is no better than Irivine Mel or Clarke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on August 26, 2015, 01:25:31 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 26, 2015, 12:28:16 AM
No, the fans who boo players and criticise everything Pulis does will ruin our club.
Pulis has a problem with any player displaying any sort of recalcitrant behaviour: classic example being Sessegnon at Newcastle last season . The moment you cross him you are finished  , so even if Sess is the only player with any attacking inclination and creativity , he will never get a look in again.

Pulis would rather play functional footballer's , who lack any pace ,even if it's detrimental to winning matches.

George Best and Eric Cantona would never of got a game under him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2015, 01:29:22 AM
Quote from: baggiecarl on August 26, 2015, 01:25:31 AM
Pulis has a problem with any player displaying any sort of recalcitrant behaviour: classic example being Sessegnon at Newcastle last season . The moment you cross him you are finished  , so even if Sess is the only player with any attacking inclination and creativity , he will never get a look in again.

Pulis would rather play functional footballer's , who lack any pace ,even if it's detrimental to winning matches.

George Best and Eric Cantona would never of got a game under him

Best post yet, Cantona and wait for it George Best  :o compared to Stephane Sessegnon.  :-X

Time to go to bed mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 26, 2015, 01:36:41 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2015, 01:29:22 AM
Best post yet, Cantona and wait for it George Best  :o compared to Stephane Sessegnon.  :-X

Time to go to bed mate.

He didn't compare Sess with Cantona and Best, though. He said Sess is out because he doesn't do Pulisball, which is correct. No need to distort the argument only because you want to defend Pulis.

Btw, once Brunt was off the field against Vale we did resort to four cb's across the back line, so Hunnington's earlier argument is valid, no?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2015, 01:40:24 AM
Quote from: GrGr on August 26, 2015, 01:36:41 AM
He didn't compare Sess with Cantona and Best, though. He said Sess is out because he doesn't do Pulisball, which is correct. No need to distort the argument only because you want to defend Pulis.

Btw, once Brunt was off the field against Vale we did resort to four cb's across the back line, so Hunnington's earlier argument is valid, no?

He suggested that like Sessegnon, Cantona and Best wouldn't get a game under Pulis, which is a comparison and is utter nonsense, of course they would.

It has merit but he didn't have many other options tonight, I'd have put McClean to left back and brought on McManaman, but I imagine he was trying to monitor Gnabry's overall game-time so had to hold Macca back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on August 26, 2015, 01:42:22 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2015, 01:29:22 AM
Best post yet, Cantona and wait for it George Best  :o compared to Stephane Sessegnon.  :-X

Time to go to bed mate.
Read the post properly before commenting: I did not compare sess with Best or Cantona

Perhaps it's those big words confusing you!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2015, 01:47:23 AM
Quote from: baggiecarl on August 26, 2015, 01:42:22 AM
Read the post properly before commenting: I did not compare sess with Best or Cantona

Perhaps it's those big words confusing you!

You're now the second person to say your post did not contain a comparison when it clearly did, too late to be getting into semantics with you though so I'll leave it there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on August 26, 2015, 01:52:51 AM
Quote from: GrGr on August 26, 2015, 01:36:41 AM
He didn't compare Sess with Cantona and Best, though. He said Sess is out because he doesn't do Pulisball, which is correct. No need to distort the argument only because you want to defend Pulis.

Btw, once Brunt was off the field against Vale we did resort to four cb's across the back line, so Hunnington's earlier argument is valid, no?
when referring to Best and Cantana i meant  pulis would have frozen them out , if they crossed him , dispite their genius







Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 26, 2015, 02:10:25 AM
Quote from: baggiecarl on August 26, 2015, 01:52:51 AM
when referring to Best and Cantana i meant  pulis would have frozen them out , if they crossed him , dispite their genius

So why did he buy Tuncay at Stoke and play Bolasie and Puncheon at Palace?
I am not a pulis happer clapper (still in the "needed him but didn't want him" camp) but I think he trusts certain players and not other and it's not just because they are skillfull.
Sess is one of my favourite players because he's a maverick but it's not just Pulis who doesn't trust him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on August 26, 2015, 02:47:19 AM
I genuinely feel if we had a top quality (non-british) full back, for example Azpilicueta, Pulis wouldn't give him a look-in because of his refusal to play natural full-backs.

Equally, if we had a top quality (non-british) attacking midfielder who's best attributes were passing/flair, for example Ozil under another name, Pulis wouldn't play him because he doesn't "work 'aard" (unlike Craig Gardner).

He's the most stubborn manager I can remember us having, and I believe his refusal to play (and sign) certain types of players is sabotaging any potential we have of being something like an attractive mid-table outfit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 26, 2015, 05:40:56 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 25, 2015, 11:34:06 PM
We scored an own goal and missed two of the pens in the shoot out.

Tonight if players had put chances away we could have had 4 or 5 and then scored all in the shoot out.

Its not an argument to state Pulis is the better manager, its a fact and the turnaround of this club will take time, its not a 5 minute job.
there you go Rome was not built in a day 3 matches gone players going and coming its realistic to give them some more time but some people just cant wait for a bad performance to slag the manager off.Even though he clearly stated we are still working on the ballance of the team and we need to strengthen in some areas.If he had said this is the finnish material and we still look like rubbish then fair enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 26, 2015, 06:21:38 AM
Quote from: maccbaggie on August 25, 2015, 09:38:49 PM
We're taking about a Pulis team here. Creativity is actively discouraged.

Claptrap.
Sorry but that's absolute tosh. Did you not go to the game on Sunday, there was plenty on show there to disprove your comment.
Its there but it needs to be on a regular basis, plus perhaps not the whole game but there was enough attacking intent last night to see off the game. Their keeper pulled off a couple of worldly's.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on August 26, 2015, 07:06:16 AM
Quote from: maccbaggie on August 25, 2015, 08:41:38 PM
We could've got a very good actual right back for £8m... Pulis' infantile agenda with full backs strikes once again. Oh dear.

Exactly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 26, 2015, 07:16:01 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on August 26, 2015, 06:21:38 AM
Claptrap.
Sorry but that's absolute tosh. Did you not go to the game on Sunday, there was plenty on show there to disprove your comment.
Its there but it needs to be on a regular basis, plus perhaps not the whole game but there was enough attacking intent last night to see off the game. Their keeper pulled off a couple of worldly's.
there was no creativity expect from hoofing up to rondon and also from macca
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 26, 2015, 07:16:41 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on August 26, 2015, 06:21:38 AM
Claptrap.
Sorry but that's absolute tosh. Did you not go to the game on Sunday, there was plenty on show there to disprove your comment.
Its there but it needs to be on a regular basis, plus perhaps not the whole game but there was enough attacking intent last night to see off the game. Their keeper pulled off a couple of worldly's.

A couple of worldys? Which save was that? The one from lambert? He didnt even touch it!! The only 1 he saved of note was the shot in extra time which swerved all over the place. Lambert looked like he never played football in his life, mclean....well he was terrible. The only playet who looked like doing something was gnabry and he took him off!! Let me guess....because he wasnt fit. Another player who weve signed whos not fit.

What game were you at? We were terrible last night
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on August 26, 2015, 08:10:13 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 25, 2015, 11:26:47 PM
What would you say if he picked Lescott and he scored an own goal on purpose? What would you say if Berahino refused to run for the ball?

in what world would that ever happen??

not even in Bobby Gould's!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 26, 2015, 08:23:10 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 26, 2015, 07:16:41 AM
A couple of worldys? Which save was that? The one from lambert? He didnt even touch it!! The only 1 he saved of note was the shot in extra time which swerved all over the place. Lambert looked like he never played football in his life, mclean....well he was terrible. The only playet who looked like doing something was gnabry and he took him off!! Let me guess....because he wasnt fit. Another player who weve signed whos not fit.

What game were you at? We were terrible last night

Cant argue with that but we had enough chances to have won the game comfortably
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 26, 2015, 08:23:23 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 26, 2015, 12:28:16 AM
No, the fans who boo players and criticise everything Pulis does will ruin our club.

I agree with you there. Last night there was booing at the end of extra time, just the encouragement you need when you are about to take on a penalty shoot-out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on August 26, 2015, 08:41:58 AM
Those of us who are plugging the line about waiting for the transfer window to close and seeing how we are fixed then are deluded.
We've had as much evidence that we need at this stage as to what Pulis is about, and it's ugly/narrow minded/non-sensical.
We are going to be the worst team to watch in the Premier League by a country mile.
Is Tony Pulis blind ? Can he not see that Yacob and Fletcher cannot play together ?  What is going on with Chester ?  What's the aversion to playing natural fullbacks ?
God Almighty, this guy is going to split us right down the middle.
I dread to think what will happen if we are still bottom in October- we will have a set of players that no other manager in the world could work with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 26, 2015, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: we8seals on August 26, 2015, 08:10:13 AM
in what world would that ever happen??

not even in Bobby Gould's!!!!

Happens every week in every dressing room in the country. As soon as a player is unhappy or about to leave they don't play.

Man United have had three goalkeepers sitting in the stand who are better than the two in the match day squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 26, 2015, 08:56:42 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 26, 2015, 08:46:14 AM
Happens every week in every dressing room in the country. As soon as a player is unhappy or about to leave they don't play.

Man United have had three goalkeepers sitting in the stand who are better than the two in the match day squad.
World away from your suggestion of deliberately scoring an own goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 26, 2015, 09:07:26 AM
As stated previous i like Pulis as a bloke and respect the jobs he has done, you dont stay in management 30 odd years if your rubbish.

I dont think its fair to completely judge him yet, he has been here 8 x months, i think the time to judge will be Xmas time when the window is shut, he has his own squad and had a few months to work with them, our squad then will possibly be a lot different to the one now.

However, as it stands at the present time, i am concerned as i dont think i have ever had such little enthusiasm for the club. I fully acknowledge that we are well run, have a nice ground, good academy, established top flight club, but on the pitch something is missing.

Out the 4 games we have played this season, we have played decent in 1 and that was Sunday against Chelsea, last night i blame Pulis and the players, the players as they are supposedly top flight footballers and surely can do better, Pulis because i just dont see what style we are attempting to play.

Arguably our two best players last season until Pulis joined are going - Poco and Lescott, the one really creative player (although frustrating) we have in Sessegnon never gets a kick and our top prospect, a young goalscoring englishman ends up playing out wide, whether he would of wanted to leave anyway had he played upfront who knows, but i dont blame him one bit wanting out.

I know managers have their own ways and like certain players but i just feel as a top flight club for the last 5 seasons, with most of the squad fully fledged internationals, earning massive wages especially for a club like ours, surely there has got to be more to games than we are offering, i always hated the fact at Stoke Pulis sucked the life out of games, i just have this horrible feeling that we will go the same way, instead of the way he played at Palace, i really hope i am wrong though.

I saw JP was getting knocked for not backing him, i think Pulis is being backed very well so far, there can be no excuses, we have signed a very good centre half (Chester) for a lot of money and want to play him right back, we have signed 2 x strikers on big money (Lambert and Rondon) who although Lambert can play deeper, both are two big strong blokes who play a certain style, that along with the fact Big Vic keeps making the bench means we have 3 x very similar strikers, why not sign one of Rondon or Lambert and get a striker in different to what we have (we have one in Berahino but looks like he is going)

Last night on one hand i respect Pulis for taking the cup serious, he played a strong team, much rather that than fill the team with the likes of Gamboa and others who clearly have no future. However why not of intergrated a couple of the young lads into it, they went with the first team to USA, put them in with senior pros last night, there enthusiasm and point to prove, combined with the first teamers experience would of been good to see, instead with the exception of the keeper, we didnt even have one on the bench.

As previous posts show, i am not a panicker, i dont like keep chopping and changing managers, i hope come September 1st i feel enthused again and it all fits into place, but at the moment i cannot see what the plan is and feel our squad will end up with a certain type of player which although effective to a certain degree does not get me excited or even particularly interested to watch us play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 26, 2015, 09:09:54 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 26, 2015, 08:46:14 AM
Happens every week in every dressing room in the country. As soon as a player is unhappy or about to leave they don't play.

Man United have had three goalkeepers sitting in the stand who are better than the two in the match day squad.


I do like your comments Stokelad, keeping it real instead of the flights of fantasy that are flying around on here. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 26, 2015, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: maccbaggie on August 26, 2015, 02:47:19 AM
He's the most stubborn manager I can remember us having

Sir I see your Tony Pulis and I raise you Ron Saunders, Bobby Gould and Alan Buckley.
Take your pick.
All stubborn as mules with a collective obstinacy which transcended already desperate times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on August 26, 2015, 09:15:57 AM
Watching Olsson and McAuley hoofing the ball aimlessly towards the big men up top really was soul destroying last night. But hey, you reap what you sow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 26, 2015, 09:18:22 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 26, 2015, 08:56:42 AM
World away from your suggestion of deliberately scoring an own goal.

Not really. Would De Gea and Valdes do their best to stop the ball going in the net? Or would they half heartedly dive for the ball? (LVG believes it's the latter)

No manager in the right mind would start the game with only 9 or 10 players who want to be on the pitch. A half hearted tackle from Lescott wouldn't help anybody.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on August 26, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
Not sure where he got the 'fans will have been entertained' thought from. Strange one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 26, 2015, 09:35:53 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on August 26, 2015, 09:07:26 AM
As stated previous i like Pulis as a bloke and respect the jobs he has done, you dont stay in management 30 odd years if your rubbish.

I dont think its fair to completely judge him yet, he has been here 8 x months, i think the time to judge will be Xmas time when the window is shut, he has his own squad and had a few months to work with them, our squad then will possibly be a lot different to the one now.

However, as it stands at the present time, i am concerned as i dont think i have ever had such little enthusiasm for the club. I fully acknowledge that we are well run, have a nice ground, good academy, established top flight club, but on the pitch something is missing.

Out the 4 games we have played this season, we have played decent in 1 and that was Sunday against Chelsea, last night i blame Pulis and the players, the players as they are supposedly top flight footballers and surely can do better, Pulis because i just dont see what style we are attempting to play.

Arguably our two best players last season until Pulis joined are going - Poco and Lescott, the one really creative player (although frustrating) we have in Sessegnon never gets a kick and our top prospect, a young goalscoring englishman ends up playing out wide, whether he would of wanted to leave anyway had he played upfront who knows, but i dont blame him one bit wanting out.

I know managers have their own ways and like certain players but i just feel as a top flight club for the last 5 seasons, with most of the squad fully fledged internationals, earning massive wages especially for a club like ours, surely there has got to be more to games than we are offering, i always hated the fact at Stoke Pulis sucked the life out of games, i just have this horrible feeling that we will go the same way, instead of the way he played at Palace, i really hope i am wrong though.

I saw JP was getting knocked for not backing him, i think Pulis is being backed very well so far, there can be no excuses, we have signed a very good centre half (Chester) for a lot of money and want to play him right back, we have signed 2 x strikers on big money (Lambert and Rondon) who although Lambert can play deeper, both are two big strong blokes who play a certain style, that along with the fact Big Vic keeps making the bench means we have 3 x very similar strikers, why not sign one of Rondon or Lambert and get a striker in different to what we have (we have one in Berahino but looks like he is going)

Last night on one hand i respect Pulis for taking the cup serious, he played a strong team, much rather that than fill the team with the likes of Gamboa and others who clearly have no future. However why not of intergrated a couple of the young lads into it, they went with the first team to USA, put them in with senior pros last night, there enthusiasm and point to prove, combined with the first teamers experience would of been good to see, instead with the exception of the keeper, we didnt even have one on the bench.

As previous posts show, i am not a panicker, i dont like keep chopping and changing managers, i hope come September 1st i feel enthused again and it all fits into place, but at the moment i cannot see what the plan is and feel our squad will end up with a certain type of player which although effective to a certain degree does not get me excited or even particularly interested to watch us play.

I concur with most of that I am just a little bit more pessimistic about the likely outcomes and would point out that there are very few Palace fans that would have him back and most regard Pardew's football as a vast improvement (with pretty much the same players).

I don't want another managerial change because it would leave us in potential disarray but I can't be happy with this prehistoric approach to football. Last night if someone had offered £200 for my season ticket (face value £500) I would have snatched their arm off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 26, 2015, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 26, 2015, 09:18:22 AM
Not really. Would De Gea and Valdes do their best to stop the ball going in the net? Or would they half heartedly dive for the ball? (LVG believes it's the latter)

No manager in the right mind would start the game with only 9 or 10 players who want to be on the pitch. A half hearted tackle from Lescott wouldn't help anybody.
So we're backtracking from kicking it into his own net to a half hearted tackle?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: richjonawba on August 26, 2015, 11:18:50 AM
Quote from: Morany on August 26, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
Not sure where he got the 'fans will have been entertained' thought from. Strange one.

Think/hope he was more alluding to the penalty shoot-out than the match itself.

Listening to the radio driving back, fans from most prem teams were phoning up saying how pooh they'd played, it's not just us, no need for everyone to get their knickers in a twist just yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 26, 2015, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on August 26, 2015, 09:12:34 AM
Sir I see your Tony Pulis and I raise you Ron Saunders, Bobby Gould and Alan Buckley.
Take your pick.
All stubborn as mules with a collective obstinacy which transcended already desperate times.

We had Gary Megson as our manager....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 26, 2015, 11:23:06 AM
Quote from: richjonawba on August 26, 2015, 11:18:50 AM
Think/hope he was more alluding to the penalty shoot-out than the match itself.

Listening to the radio driving back, fans from most prem teams were phoning up saying how rubbish they'd played, it's not just us, no need for everyone to get their knickers in a twist just yet.
And it is the JUST YET I am worried about how long is this JUST YET going to last.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 26, 2015, 11:24:58 AM
For Pulis to say last night was entertaining for the fans was an absolute insult.  Can you imagine if Irvine had come out with such garbage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 26, 2015, 11:26:44 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 26, 2015, 11:24:58 AM
For Pulis to say last night was entertaining for the fans was an absolute insult.  Can you imagine if Irvine had come out with such garbage.

This speaks volumes for me, I couldn't stand Irvine but if he'd churned out some of the garbage that Pulis has over the last few weeks he'd be crucified.

Seems to me that Pulis gets away with a lot because he's got this reputation and record of never being relegated. Records like that will always get broken at some point...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: richjonawba on August 26, 2015, 11:27:07 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 26, 2015, 11:23:06 AM
And it is the JUST YET I am worried about how long is this JUST YET going to last.

We were given a tough start to the season, we have all this rubbish with Saido hanging over us still, we haven't been able to recruit in all the positions we need to recruit in yet. I'd say give it until November at least, no point moaning every week and booing the players at this early stage (or ever, but that's another matter), we have shown glimpses, especially against Chelsea of the threat we can pose going forward, Pulis just needs to get the balance right and hopefully bring in 3 or 4 this week. And I'd personally suggest never play 4-4-2 again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on August 26, 2015, 11:41:36 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 26, 2015, 11:26:44 AM
This speaks volumes for me, I couldn't stand Irvine but if he'd churned out some of the garbage that Pulis has over the last few weeks he'd be crucified.

Seems to me that Pulis gets away with a lot because he's got this reputation and record of never being relegated. Records like that will always get broken at some point...

Stop right there. You're getting dangerously close to the truth for many of our fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 26, 2015, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 26, 2015, 11:26:44 AM
This speaks volumes for me, I couldn't stand Irvine but if he'd churned out some of the garbage that Pulis has over the last few weeks he'd be crucified.

Seems to me that Pulis gets away with a lot because he's got this reputation and record of never being relegated. Records like that will always get broken at some point...

here here!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 26, 2015, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 26, 2015, 11:43:03 AM
Hopefully your anti Pulis record gets broken first..lighten up ffs!

I'd love him to prove me wrong, I really would. But I don't see any evidence that this will be the case.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 26, 2015, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: wbako on August 26, 2015, 11:41:36 AM
Stop right there. You're getting dangerously close to the truth for many of our fans.

..but not the majority of fans..TP is best thing that's happened to Albion since Hodgson..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 26, 2015, 11:46:43 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 26, 2015, 11:44:35 AM
I'd love him to prove me wrong, I really would. But I don't see any evidence that this will be the case.

You mean stay up ? What exactly do you mean with proven you wrong ? What you see with pulis is what you get.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 26, 2015, 11:50:13 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 26, 2015, 11:46:43 AM
You mean stay up ? What exactly do you mean with proven you wrong ? What you see with pulis is what you get.

Is that all we can expect, survival? That was the requirement for last season, when he sorted Irvine's mess out and credit to him for that.

He's had a summer though to improve the team and make us look at least a little more threatening, so far I'm not impressed and I'm not seeing an improvement so far despite spending over £20m already.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 26, 2015, 12:04:26 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 26, 2015, 11:50:13 AM
Is that all we can expect, survival? That was the requirement for last season, when he sorted Irvine's mess out and credit to him for that.

He's had a summer though to improve the team and make us look at least a little more threatening, so far I'm not impressed and I'm not seeing an improvement so far despite spending over £20m already.

Our aim is survival of course it is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 26, 2015, 12:06:44 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 26, 2015, 12:04:26 PM
Our aim is survival of course it is.
And more so this season with all that TV money coming in next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2015, 12:10:17 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 26, 2015, 11:50:13 AM
Is that all we can expect, survival? That was the requirement for last season, when he sorted Irvine's mess out and credit to him for that.

He's had a summer though to improve the team and make us look at least a little more threatening, so far I'm not impressed and I'm not seeing an improvement so far despite spending over £20m already.

The requirement of the suits is 17th, thats always been the aim and when the suits are happy with that then that passes down to the players, anyone threatening that 17th place is shown the door. We're suffering for years of poor signings, poor management from the top down (comments like mid table Championship side have not helped regardless of how well the finances are run). No easy fix regardless of what you spend. You still need to get some out of the door before they can be replaced. We've hardly got clubs banging down the doors for some of our fantastic squad on fantastic wages who should have been moved on two years ago but instead were rewarded with new deals or even the players who should never have been signed in the first place with an addition here and there.

We stay up and the suits will be celebrating as though they've won the lottery.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 3 in 11 on August 26, 2015, 12:36:10 PM
 ;D
Hi Baggies,
Pulis is still the subject of quite heated debate on Palace forums whenever he makes a TV/Radio appearance. The consensus on his management style and abilities ( maybe 'majority view' would be better than consensus) is that he'll keep virtually any team up but hit his ceiling getting Palace to 11th.
Top 10 is beyond him. It's no surprise as he's been doing it consistantly ever since he got Stoke up.
The fine details of how his teams perform is down to the players at his disposal but caution is the watch word wherever he is.
He'll not see you go down (at least not whilst it's still his bum warming the manager's chair) but any ambitions you guys hold for Albion better be small, safe ones.
He was unlucky not to get a point at the weekend (luck being the oppositions stock-in-trade) but there was a slight discontinuity between some of what he's said since the game (Talksport) and what he actually did duriing it.
Look on the bright side, he'll not get poached by a Mega-rich top club and you'll be around to share in the TV Money Cornucopia. Money he'll use to buy Peter Crouch probably....... :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on August 26, 2015, 12:40:08 PM
Quote from: 3 in 11 on August 26, 2015, 12:36:10 PM
;D
Hi Baggies,
Pulis is still the subject of quite heated debate on Palace forums whenever he makes a TV/Radio appearance. The consensus on his management style and abilities ( maybe 'majority view' would be better than consensus) is that he'll keep virtually any team up but hit his ceiling getting Palace to 11th.
Top 10 is beyond him. It's no surprise as he's been doing it consistantly ever since he got Stoke up.
The fine details of how his teams perform is down to the players at his disposal but caution is the watch word wherever he is.
He'll not see you go down (at least not whilst it's still his bum warming the manager's chair) but any ambitions you guys hold for Albion better be small, safe ones.
He was unlucky not to get a point at the weekend (luck being the oppositions stock-in-trade) but there was a slight discontinuity between some of what he's said since the game (Talksport) and what he actually did duriing it.
Look on the bright side, he'll not get poached by a Mega-rich top club and you'll be around to share in the TV Money Cornucopia. Money he'll use to buy Peter Crouch probably....... :o

A good, honest assessment of Pulis there and one I totally agree with.....except the signing of Crouch!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2015, 01:30:59 PM
Quote from: 3 in 11 on August 26, 2015, 12:36:10 PM
Pulis is still the subject of quite heated debate on Palace forums whenever he makes a TV/Radio appearance. The consensus on his management style and abilities ( maybe 'majority view' would be better than consensus) is that he'll keep virtually any team up but hit his ceiling getting Palace to 11th.
Top 10 is beyond him. It's no surprise as he's been doing it consistantly ever since he got Stoke up.
The fine details of how his teams perform is down to the players at his disposal but caution is the watch word wherever he is.
He'll not see you go down (at least not whilst it's still his bum warming the manager's chair) but any ambitions you guys hold for Albion better be small, safe ones.
He was unlucky not to get a point at the weekend (luck being the oppositions stock-in-trade) but there was a slight discontinuity between some of what he's said since the game (Talksport) and what he actually did duriing it.
Look on the bright side, he'll not get poached by a Mega-rich top club and you'll be around to share in the TV Money Cornucopia. Money he'll use to buy Peter Crouch probably....... :o
Thanks for your insights 3 in 11. Some people are using Palace as a yardstick for how Pulis has changed since his excruciating (for everyone apart from Stoke fans and probably a fair few of them too!) years at Stoke, but your post makes it clear that the Palace garden, when Pulis was there, wasn't quite as rosy as some paint it in terms of the style of football played.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 26, 2015, 02:21:20 PM
I'm still struggling to find "our years of glory" since we have been in the prem. Hodgson was great and in his 1 full season got us too 10th. Clarke for 3/4 of a season did well and we came 8th. Other than that it has been mainly a struggle. Under Hodgson before the famous dingles game we were struggling and there were rumblings of discontent then as well.
If Pulis gets us 10th or 11th then other than Clarke's season he has equalled our best finish....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 3 in 11 on August 26, 2015, 02:31:46 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2015, 01:30:59 PM
Thanks for your insights 3 in 11. Some people are using Palace as a yardstick for how Pulis has changed since his excruciating (for everyone apart from Stoke fans and probably a fair few of them too!) years at Stoke, but your post makes it clear that the Palace garden, when Pulis was there, wasn't quite as rosy as some paint it in terms of the style of football played.

It wasn't pretty, what he did with us, but it worked and at times was very exciting but that was down to our wingers more than him. The majority of the time we played without the ball (familier?) and depended on a great covering midfield in front of a competant back four. Not pretty unless you're a fan of the team doing it and they're doing it well.
You've had a poor start ( just for once we've not) but there's worse sides around and less experienced managers too. I've forgotton how long a contract you guys gave him but a couple of seasons is probably all anybody with a passion for their club could stand. I'm glad he toddled off last year, if only because it's cleared the way for Pardew's arrival and our bid to 'move up a level'. Something that would have never happened (except to the wage bill) under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on August 26, 2015, 02:32:08 PM
We will probably survive with the boring safety first football that TP uses, but ask yourselves the question 'Do we want to watch this every week'?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 26, 2015, 02:33:45 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 26, 2015, 02:21:20 PM
I'm still struggling to find "our years of glory" since we have been in the prem. Hodgson was great and in his 1 full season got us too 10th. Clarke for 3/4 of a season did well and we came 8th. Other than that it has been mainly a struggle. Under Hodgson before the famous dingles game we were struggling and there were rumblings of discontent then as well.
If Pulis gets us 10th or 11th then other than Clarke's season he has equalled our best finish....

If he gets us there we will have to do the same as Stoke and trade him in for a sportier model if we really really want to push on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 26, 2015, 02:36:35 PM
The goodwill Pulis gained from saving Palace's bacon (which they conveniently paper over) was lost when he left them on the eve of the season. Pardew has done a great job for them and has a top 6 win rate since taking over. Will be interesting to see what the fans say when they finally go on a bad run.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bring me sunshine on August 26, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2015, 01:30:59 PM
Thanks for your insights 3 in 11. Some people are using Palace as a yardstick for how Pulis has changed since his excruciating (for everyone apart from Stoke fans and probably a fair few of them too!) years at Stoke, but your post makes it clear that the Palace garden, when Pulis was there, wasn't quite as rosy as some paint it in terms of the style of football played.

Good afternoon all you boys and girls in baggieland, as I said at the beginning of this thread the capped one will tear you apart as a group of supporters, divide you like no other and it looks like he’s well on the way. It’s no surprise at all that half of you seem to hate him already. The guy hasn’t managed us for 3 seasons and he’s still doing it to us. The oatcake has numerous threads about his first glorious homecoming to the Britannia and can I tell you even after 2 new clubs he’s managed and 2 wins for him in those matches against us there are still some at stoke who want to roll the f***ing red carpet out for him on Saturday as show of mind numbingly sycophantic devotion to the one and only man on the planet who could have possibly got us promoted, conveniently forgetting that he was backed by a BILLIONAIRE.
The Palace fan was right he has but one vision, a world where entertainment is an alien concept, defence is the absolute premium, 12th is considered over achievement and I can only thank god that we don’t have to watch the dross he served up for us (he even likened it to having steak and chips) every week. You all genuinely have my upmost sympathy for what lies ahead. The only words of encouragement I can give are that things in a post apocalyptic Pulis world are bright, the sun shines, the birds sing and the prematch excitement has returned.
However you will win on Saturday probably 1-0 and the game will be shockingly bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on August 26, 2015, 02:52:38 PM
Quote from: gerry m on August 26, 2015, 02:32:08 PM
We will probably survive with the boring safety first football that TP uses, but ask yourselves the question 'Do we want to watch this every week'?.

That is the big issue and the choice whether us Albion fans want to support 'WBA the traditional Black Country sporting football club' or the 'WBA survive at all costs Premier League business'. I for one could take no more of the modern SKY TV,Premier League obsessed, multi million pound, obscene wages generation of football in about 2005/06. I of course still love the Albion, they are in my blood and have spent a fortune over the years following us everywhere,they have dictated and in a part ruined my life due to choices I made because of the Albion. I still go now, mainly to the appealing away games, when money allows, where the football isn't the be all and end all. A lot of lads I've known from the match over the years do exactly the same. I'm not going to go into detail about the many misfortunes of my personal circumstances I've been suffering in the last few years which has put me in this position but to simplify my feelings on the Albion now: Would I want to watch this boring dross every week?.......Not a chance. Would I watch us more often if the football was more entertaining and better value for money?.....Of course I would.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2015, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 26, 2015, 02:52:38 PM
That is the big issue and the choice whether us Albion fans want to support 'WBA the traditional Black Country sporting football club' or the 'WBA survive at all costs Premier League business'. I for one could take no more of the modern SKY TV,Premier League obsessed, multi million pound, obscene wages generation of football in about 2005/06. I of course still love the Albion, they are in my blood and have spent a fortune over the years following us everywhere,they have dictated and in a part ruined my life due to choices I made because of the Albion. I still go now, mainly to the appealing away games, when money allows, where the football isn't the be all and end all. A lot of lads I've known from the match over the years do exactly the same. I'm not going to go into detail about the many misfortunes of my personal circumstances I've been suffering in the last few years which has put me in this position but to simplify my feelings on the Albion now: Would I want to watch this boring dross every week?.......Not a chance. Would I watch us more often if the football was more entertaining and better value for money?.....Of course I would.

Thats the world we are in now created by Sky. I hate this league and everything it stands for.

There are times when I really envy the likes of Accrington, Hartlepool, Cheltenham and many more like them, I mean no disrespect to any of those clubs by any means at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 26, 2015, 02:58:39 PM
What was this I read a few weeks ago that Pulis is running the shop from top to bottom and everyone is scared stiff of him? Can't seem to locate that but sure I didn't imagine it.

If true, that's a long way from the spread of power over the last few seasons. Least we know where the buck stops.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 26, 2015, 03:04:30 PM
Thanks for the posts of the palace and stoke fans interesting to see its not just me who think pulis is a dinosaur.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bring me sunshine on August 26, 2015, 03:07:55 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 26, 2015, 03:04:30 PM
Thanks for the posts of the palace and stoke fans interesting to see its not just me who think pulis is a dinosaur.
Far from it, most Stoke fans would agree.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 26, 2015, 03:35:52 PM
All early doors and all that however one thing i mentioned last night is we want to try and avoid going into the villa match without a win after five games if we can, Making Southampton at home a big game in my eyes the week before.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2015, 04:01:43 PM
Quote from: bring me sunshine on August 26, 2015, 03:07:55 PM
Far from it, most Stoke fans would agree.
Wash your mouth out - the Chairman of the Tony Pulis Fan Club (who's also a Stoke fan) will soon be here to put you straight!  ;)

Some Albion fans don't care how awful/defensive the football is as long as we stay up, but others will need to be convinced that Pulis can change his spots, as excruciating football of the kind we saw whenever Albion played Stoke whilst he was there will become too much to bear for them sooner or later.

Thanks to 3 in 11 and bring me sunshine for your thoughts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2015, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2015, 04:01:43 PM
Wash your mouth out - the Chairman of the Tony Pulis Fan Club (who's also a Stoke fan) will soon be here to put you straight!  ;)

Some Albion fans don't care how awful/defensive the football is as long as we stay up, but others will need to be convinced that Pulis can change his spots, as excruciating football of the kind we saw whenever Albion played Stoke whilst he was there will become too much to bear for them sooner or later.

Thanks to 3 in 11 and bring me sunshine for your thoughts.

Not at all, I want better football but I also realise it takes time and is not a five minute fix to sort this club out after years of poor signings and poor appointments, something some have not been prepared to give from the minute he walked in the door and are revelling in any chance to stick the boot in.

He might not get it right but he deserves the time to have a go which will take more than one transfer window given there's no-one queuing up to take any of our players with the exception of Saido.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2015, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2015, 04:06:06 PM
He might not get it right but he deserves the time to have a go which will take more than one transfer window
Pepe Mel never even got 1 transfer window, of course, but I know that you were one of the majority (going by forum polls) who didn't want him to leave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2015, 04:30:55 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2015, 04:28:53 PM
Pepe Mel never even got 1 transfer window, of course, but I know that you were one of the majority (going by forum polls) who didn't want him to leave.

Yep, I was happy for him to stay for the simple reason he wasn't given a chance and to see if he could do it but again that would have needed time to try and move players on, similar to what is needed now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bring me sunshine on August 26, 2015, 04:42:07 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2015, 04:06:06 PM
Not at all, I want better football but I also realise it takes time and is not a five minute fix to sort this club out after years of poor signings and poor appointments, something some have not been prepared to give from the minute he walked in the door and are revelling in any chance to stick the boot in.

He might not get it right but he deserves the time to have a go which will take more than one transfer window given there's no-one queuing up to take any of our players with the exception of Saido.

That’s all well and good if you see Premier League survival as the only consideration, we thought that, but after the third year we stalled then he put it in reverse, revved up the engine and finally out of spite towards us (hence the steak and chips comment he made about stoke fans being ungrateful for all he had done for us and the club) hit the throttle so hard we almost ended up in a relegation battle. Now I’m not saying that it will happen to you but let’s see where you are in 12 months and how happy with the quality of football you are, not league status, quality of football. You have to admit there are similarities between how he is thought of not only at Stoke and Palace but increasingly at West Brom too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2015, 06:19:44 PM
Quote from: bring me sunshine on August 26, 2015, 04:42:07 PM
That’s all well and good if you see Premier League survival as the only consideration, we thought that, but after the third year we stalled then he put it in reverse, revved up the engine and finally out of spite towards us (hence the steak and chips comment he made about stoke fans being ungrateful for all he had done for us and the club) hit the throttle so hard we almost ended up in a relegation battle. Now I’m not saying that it will happen to you but let’s see where you are in 12 months and how happy with the quality of football you are, not league status, quality of football. You have to admit there are similarities between how he is thought of not only at Stoke and Palace but increasingly at West Brom too.

I've stated i'm not happy with the football and if in 12 months time nothing has changed I will be joining the anti Pulis brigade as he will by then have had 3 full transfer windows to sort it out. At the moment he's coming to the end of his first proper one (January would have been spent casting eye over the squad more than anything). I hope he's not here in two years time as I hope he has sorted the mess, got us more solid and moved on for someone else to give us a mbit more tactical nous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 26, 2015, 07:04:09 PM
Quote from: richjonawba on August 26, 2015, 11:18:50 AM
Think/hope he was more alluding to the penalty shoot-out than the match itself.

Listening to the radio driving back, fans from most prem teams were phoning up saying how rubbish they'd played, it's not just us, no need for everyone to get their knickers in a twist just yet.
surprised anyone bothered to stay for the shoot-out, the previous 120 minutes had comatosed most.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 26, 2015, 07:23:25 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2015, 06:19:44 PM
I've stated i'm not happy with the football and if in 12 months time nothing has changed I will be joining the anti Pulis brigade as he will by then have had 3 full transfer windows to sort it out. At the moment he's coming to the end of his first proper one (January would have been spent casting eye over the squad more than anything). I hope he's not here in two years time as I hope he has sorted the mess, got us more solid and moved on for someone else to give us a mbit more tactical nous.
Sensible view.

The issue is that before Pulis, we'd had 3 managers in two seasons which isn't sustainable. Even if you hate Pulis, I think it's best to give him at least a season or so to settle things, otherwise it's just more short-term managers who don't stabalise the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 26, 2015, 08:54:55 PM
I still maintain I didn't want him (because of his style) but we needed him to sort things out.
I would be happy for him to turn the ship around and if we need someone to build on that bring them in. The challenge is who do you bring in? when Irvine went we weren't exactly spoilt for choice. Mark Hughes looks great now but there weren't many baggies fans desperate to appoint him after his stint at QPR.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies on August 26, 2015, 09:42:41 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on August 26, 2015, 07:23:25 PM
Sensible view.

The issue is that before Pulis, we'd had 3 managers in two seasons which isn't sustainable. Even if you hate Pulis, I think it's best to give him at least a season or so to settle things, otherwise it's just more short-term managers who don't stabalise the club.

It is a very good point WBArgo. Pulis signing was maybe seen as necessary for the club, due to their failings in employing their last 2 managers and last 3 technical directors.

They seemed to push reset in January and decided to go back to real basics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 26, 2015, 10:12:09 PM
Due to the sheer turnover of managers in the last 4/5 years many averaging less than a full season. We need some stability and a dynasty (I felt we were going this way until Roy got the England job). I don't like the Pulis style and I don't relish watching it, I won't go out my way to go away games and even stream them as often- however I know my beloved club needs stability and fixing top to bottom.

Our recruitment has been a pile of p**s for the last 3 years both in terms of coaching and playing staff. This won't be a quick fix and I do to think it will be the most entertaining football. However club needs Pulis to stabilise us and fix the mess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 26, 2015, 10:34:35 PM
We are probably the hardest job he has had.
I for one is glad to have him in charge.
I have asked posters who they feel would be better.......still waiting.....for reply?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on August 27, 2015, 12:58:47 AM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on August 26, 2015, 10:34:35 PM
We are probably the hardest job he has had.
I for one is glad to have him in charge.
I have asked posters who they feel would be better.......still waiting.....for reply?
No offence but that is a thankless task,any poster replying to this,would be shot down and have his choices ravaged and laughably spat out.
I don't like the Pulis way either,but we must give him time for at least most of the season,but tbh I am worried about the future,not about being relegated but by wasting the chance to kick on and improve the Club,on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 27, 2015, 07:12:15 AM
The money we're spending now is catching up for three  poor years if recruitment. It will take another year or two to completely fix.

Pulis is the medicine for a while......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 27, 2015, 09:42:16 AM
Quote from: darbolina on August 27, 2015, 07:12:15 AM
The money we're spending now is catching up for three  poor years if recruitment. It will take another year or two to completely fix.

Pulis is the medicine for a while......
Good post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on August 27, 2015, 09:53:12 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2015, 04:28:53 PM
Pepe Mel never even got 1 transfer window, of course, but I know that you were one of the majority (going by forum polls) who didn't want him to leave.

I was to & after AI was brought in has our savior giving PM one transfer window would have been a million times better.
I also remember being in favour of style over premiership survival 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 3 in 11 on August 27, 2015, 10:02:00 AM
Quote from: darbolina on August 27, 2015, 07:12:15 AM
The money we're spending now is catching up for three  poor years if recruitment. It will take another year or two to completely fix.

Pulis is the medicine for a while......

Good analogy.

Your pill is not sugar coated......and it's only effective up to a point when it comes to dealing with the underlying illness.

 It'll relieve the symptoms of an incontinent defence and sooth an overstressed Board.
 But will not restore the flow of creativity or give much vigour to an impotent attack and, as treatments go, tends to work out a bit expensive in the long run.

Pulis is more your Paracetamol than any sort of wonder-drug.
 You'll live but there's extensive periods of physiotherapy and counselling ahead before you can be pronounced Cured.
 Say "Aaaah"    :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bring me sunshine on August 27, 2015, 10:38:33 AM
Quote from: 3 in 11 on August 27, 2015, 10:02:00 AM
Good analogy.

Your pill is not sugar coated......and it's only effective up to a point when it comes to dealing with the underlying illness.

 It'll relieve the symptoms of an incontinent defence and sooth an overstressed Board.
 But will not restore the flow of creativity or give much vigour to an impotent attack and, as treatments go, tends to work out a bit expensive in the long run.

Pulis is more your Paracetamol than any sort of wonder-drug.

Say "Aaaah"    :P

I’d say he’s more akin to an oxygen mask, he’ll keep you alive but you quality of life will be poor to say the least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: bring me sunshine on August 27, 2015, 10:38:33 AM
I’d say he’s more akin to an oxygen mask, he’ll keep you alive but you quality of life will be poor to say the least.

How about we say thanks to the Palace and Stoke fans for your words but you leave us to find out the path it takes ?

I'm sure you both have your own forums to spout the venom without adding to those on here.

Constructive posts are of course welcome.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 3 in 11 on August 27, 2015, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 10:40:52 AM
How about we say thanks to the Palace and Stoke fans for your words but you leave us to find out the path it takes ?

I'm sure you both have your own forums to spout the venom without adding to those on here.

Constructive posts are of course welcome.
I am trying to be constructive, Pulis is not about to become any sort of different manager to that which Stoke and Palace experienced. Everybody knows how it'll go........and as for venom, this isn't even spit!
Guess I'm used to the saw-dust-on-the-floor standards of The Holmesdale.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 10:50:51 AM
Quote from: 3 in 11 on August 27, 2015, 10:46:13 AM
I am trying to be constructive, Pulis is not about to become any sort of different manager to that which Stoke and Palace experienced. Everybody knows how it'll go........and as for venom, this isn't even spit!
Guess I'm used to the saw-dust-on-the-floor standards of The Holmesdale.

No we're not the sawdust on the floor type and unlike many forums we do allow non Albion fans (although some members are not happy for us to do so). There not much constructive comments in the last couple fo posts from yourself and the Stoke fan is there ? Just more fuel to add to the already burning fire.

You all have views and yes it may turn out the same thats for us to find out.

We've got years of dross to sort out from inexperienced coaches and poor signings so its a case of back to basics for us in many ways.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bring me sunshine on August 27, 2015, 10:51:33 AM
Have to say I thought the venom comment was a bit ott as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 27, 2015, 11:24:44 AM
Pulis has already said this a transition year for us. So don't expect miracles in our style of play, or even the points we achieve.

13th again for me will do, with a nice little cup run.

Next year is when the expectations really crank up on Pulis & co.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 27, 2015, 11:32:37 AM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 27, 2015, 11:24:44 AM
Pulis has already said this a transition year for us. So don't expect miracles in our style of play, or even the points we achieve.

13th again for me will do, with a nice little cup run.

Next year is when the expectations really crank up on Pulis & co.

I hope your right. We really shouldnt be in this position now though considering the consecutive years we have now played in the premier league with all its monetary advantages. I only have to look at Swansea to feel envious over what type of "new" team they have built.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 27, 2015, 11:36:30 AM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 27, 2015, 11:24:44 AM
Pulis has already said this a transition year for us. So don't expect miracles in our style of play, or even the points we achieve.

13th again for me will do, with a nice little cup run.

Next year is when the expectations really crank up on Pulis & co.

It's what Pulis is transitioning us into that worries me!

I keep seeing people say he's sorting out the mess and it takes time, yet the same mistakes as his predecessors are still evident - square pegs in round holes, players out of position, no pace in the team, ageing players arestill being retained, the untouchable senior players get a game every week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 27, 2015, 11:48:25 AM
Have to be honest always feel when managers say its a transitional period its to cover their back.

Last season Pulis had nearly 6 x months with the squad, did a cracking job and got them to finish 13th so surely any players / transition we make should be an improvement on that?

People keep saying what a disaster our recruitment has been and what bad appointments we have made (some of it is correct) but in our previous seasons since coming up we have finished 11th, 10th, 8th, 17th and 13th, the only season we were really in any sort of relegation battle to near the end of the season was the season before last, we didnt finish in those places by luck, its because we deserved too, over 5 seasons only one relegation battle isnt a fluke.

We are now in our 6th season and every summer it shouldnt be the club needs a revamp, etc, etc because the fact remains in the last 5 seasons things werent that bad. Had we had more than two cup quarter final runs in that time, those seasons would of been relatively successful for a club of our size.

Instead of the old 'we are in transition' why not look to kick on from what we did, we didnt finish 13th by luck, we did it because we were the 13th best team in the league, you dont see Swansea, Southampton, Palace keep saying they are in transition every time they get a new manager and they swap managers every 2 years. Garry Monk was already at Swansea but Laudrup had no ties to the club, Rodgers didnt before them. Same at Southampton, Pardew, Adkins, Pochettino and now Koeman, none of those were assistants or had any links to the club, they came in and kicked on from what the previous manager did.

Pulis laid the foundations last season, he deserves great credit but if we end up in a relegation battle, have no cup run and use the 'transition' thing as an excuse then its a cop out and i will be disappointed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 12:05:16 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 27, 2015, 11:36:30 AM
It's what Pulis is transitioning us into that worries me!

I keep seeing people say he's sorting out the mess and it takes time, yet the same mistakes as his predecessors are still evident - square pegs in round holes, players out of position, no pace in the team, ageing players arestill being retained, the untouchable senior players get a game every week.

It will take time to sort the mess, those same ageing players being picked are not being courted by anyone. You can't go out and sign 15 players when you still have players here that no-one is interested in which says a lot about our previous recruitment for the past few years. We're paying the price for rewarding failure and contentment with just staying in this league over the past few years wth 3 year deals instead of building on it and improving the starting XI each year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 27, 2015, 12:06:48 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 27, 2015, 11:36:30 AM
It's what Pulis is transitioning us into that worries me!

I keep seeing people say he's sorting out the mess and it takes time, yet the same mistakes as his predecessors are still evident - square pegs in round holes, players out of position, no pace in the team, ageing players arestill being retained, the untouchable senior players get a game every week.

I agree.

Pulis may talk the talk, but I believe at the end of the day he will create yet another Pulisball team, only spending an enormous amount of WBA £ millions doing so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 12:55:27 PM
Quote from: GrGr on August 27, 2015, 12:06:48 PM
I agree.

Pulis may talk the talk, but I believe at the end of the day he will create yet another Pulisball team, only spending an enormous amount of WBA £ millions doing so.

Thing is if that Pulisball team keeps us up each year then the suits are happy and he's done his job. Only time anything will change from that is when/if the club is sold and the new owners have different objectives (and the finances to achieve those objectives)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 27, 2015, 01:08:18 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 12:55:27 PM
Thing is if that Pulisball team keeps us up each year then the suits are happy and he's done his job. Only time anything will change from that is when/if the club is sold and the new owners have different objectives (and the finances to achieve those objectives)
Or we go down playing Pulisball, what a terrifying prospect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on August 27, 2015, 01:08:18 PM
Or we go down playing Pulisball, what a terrifying prospect.

Either way it gets the clear out and fresh start thats needed and been needed for a while. Only problem is we'd come back up and go through the same process again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 27, 2015, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2015, 04:06:06 PM
Not at all, I want better football but I also realise it takes time and is not a five minute fix to sort this club out after years of poor signings and poor appointments, something some have not been prepared to give from the minute he walked in the door and are revelling in any chance to stick the boot in.

He might not get it right but he deserves the time to have a go which will take more than one transfer window given there's no-one queuing up to take any of our players with the exception of Saido.

100% agree, TP earned the right to be given time and support to put solid foundations down by turning last season around.
Personally I hope he moves on once the foundations are built as we will likely be looking for "entertainment"  again by then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on August 27, 2015, 01:29:26 PM
I'm still holding on to the hope he'll get wound up by us not signing enough players a leave after the window closes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 27, 2015, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on August 27, 2015, 01:29:26 PM
I'm still holding on to the hope he'll get wound up by us not signing enough players a leave after the window closes.

And we get who in to replace him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on August 27, 2015, 01:40:48 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 27, 2015, 01:34:15 PM
And we get who in to replace him?


Anyone who plays attractive football to entertain the crowd not bore them to death.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 27, 2015, 01:44:26 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 27, 2015, 01:34:15 PM
And we get who in to replace him?

That would be down to Jeremy Peace to decide. I'm sure after Pulis we will have rubbish managers, we will also have some pretty good ones hopefully, that doesn't mean we should stick with what we've got for fear of the unknown.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on August 27, 2015, 01:50:22 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 27, 2015, 01:34:15 PM
And we get who in to replace him?

Anybody would be an improvement for me, as soon as Pulis goes, I can return to supporting my team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 27, 2015, 01:53:54 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on August 27, 2015, 01:40:48 PM

Anyone who plays attractive football to entertain the crowd not bore them to death.

such as?

Quote from: Lloydy on August 27, 2015, 01:44:26 PM
That would be down to Jeremy Peace to decide. I'm sure after Pulis we will have rubbish managers, we will also have some pretty good ones hopefully, that doesn't mean we should stick with what we've got for fear of the unknown.

Or get rid before he's been given a chance to complete a full season? I could argue that until the window closes and we then see who we've got in and how Pulis will get us to play.. then that is also an 'unknown'.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 27, 2015, 01:55:09 PM
Quote from: labaggies on August 27, 2015, 01:50:22 PM
Anybody would be an improvement for me, as soon as Pulis goes, I can return to supporting my team.

Anybody?? maybe we could ask Alan Irvine to come off gardening leave?

l
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
Its the unknown, inexperienced that have got us here in the first place.

Lets get rid of another to bring in the next in the queue to be removed in 6 months time or are you all aching for Big Sam to step in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 27, 2015, 02:16:06 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on August 27, 2015, 01:29:26 PM
I'm still holding on to the hope he'll get wound up by us not signing enough players a leave after the window closes.

This is my only hope as well; although I don’t think he would walk after his Palace flounce somewhat blotted his copybook.  However, in his last two post match interviews he has stressed the need for reinforcements unprompted, possibly a subtle gibe at Peace and co to get moving.   

What he seemingly forgets is that we have already backed him to the tune of £22million and that the reinforcements he so desperately ‘needs’ are likely to be more central defenders (5 just won’t suffice) and a goalkeeper - when we have two fantastic senior goalkeepers and two highly regarded prospects already on the books.  It wouldn’t surprise me if Pulis is planning on replacing England’s number two goalkeeper with Palace’s number three.  We do need some new players, granted, preferably full backs because we don’t even have one (seeing as he refuses to acknowledge the existence of Gamboa and Poco) but no Pulis will carry on stockpiling centre backs, full backs after all are such a new age, avant-garde, namby pampy concept for our Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2015, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 27, 2015, 01:53:54 PM
such as?
Eddie Howe (not that I'm advocating getting rid of Pulis at this point in time)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 27, 2015, 02:17:26 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
Its the unknown, inexperienced that have got us here in the first place.

Lets get rid of another to bring in the next in the queue to be removed in 6 months time or are you all aching for Big Sam to step in.

Wouldn't Mcinnes ever fancy the challenge of being our manager ?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 27, 2015, 02:17:52 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
Its the unknown, inexperienced that have got us here in the first place.

Lets get rid of another to bring in the next in the queue to be removed in 6 months time or are you all aching for Big Sam to step in.

Sometimes it can actually work if you make the right appointment and embrace a certain culture and philosophy at a football club - Garry Monk at Swansea for example.

I will never understand why the club made promises about building a culture of attacking, attractive football when Mel was appointed, only to completely backtrack and appoint dinosaurs like Irvine and Pulis. Truly bizarre.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 27, 2015, 02:17:52 PM
Sometimes it can actually work if you make the right appointment and embrace a certain culture and philosophy at a football club - Garry Monk at Swansea for example.

I will never understand why the club made promises about building a culture of attacking, attractive football when Mel was appointed, only to completely backtrack and appoint dinosaurs like Irvine and Pulis. Truly bizarre.

Do you trust this club to make the correct appointment going on the recent past ?

I'm not a Pulis fan despite my seemingly defence of him but we need some sort of stability, we're already a laughing stock at our ways of changing managers every 6 months or so. This is the result of poor management from the top down for the past few years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 02:23:24 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 27, 2015, 02:17:26 PM
Wouldn't Mcinnes ever fancy the challenge of being our manager ?.

Big jump from the SPL to the Premier league, look at Neil Lennon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 27, 2015, 02:26:56 PM
We actually have a couple of footballers who could imbrace a passing philosophy certainly off the top of my head, Macca, brunt, Sessegnon, mozza, Yacob and Berahino but it seemed that when we did have a man to carry this out they didn't want to get on board for whatever reason.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 27, 2015, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 02:22:52 PM
Do you trust this club to make the correct appointment going on the recent past ?

I'm not a Pulis fan despite my seemingly defence of him but we need some sort of stability, we're already a laughing stock at our ways of changing managers every 6 months or so. This is the result of poor management from the top down for the past few years.

That is correct. There has been a string of truly shocking decisions by the club since Ashworth left, not just in appointment of managers. Whomever has been advising JP has shown rotten judgement. If it is the board it too needs a shake up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 27, 2015, 04:28:22 PM
Quote from: labaggies on August 27, 2015, 01:50:22 PM
Anybody would be an improvement for me, as soon as Pulis goes, I can return to supporting my team.

That's right let's just get anyone. If we play good football and go down supporters will be upset because of expectation. Also is it good football if we struggle?
Mowbray was great in the championship but I would argue the football was poor in the prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2015, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 27, 2015, 04:28:22 PM
That's right let's just get anyone. If we play good football and go down supporters will be upset because of expectation. Also is it good football if we struggle?
Mowbray was great in the championship but I would argue the football was poor in the prem.

Bit of a difference when you're shopping in the markets of Ryan Donk etc isn't there?

Give Mowbray the likes of Odemwingie, McAuley, Yacob etc and he'd have kept us up. We'd have been great to watch too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on August 27, 2015, 04:34:19 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2015, 04:30:16 PM
Bit of a difference when you're shopping in the markets of Ryan Donk etc isn't there?

Give Mowbray the likes of Odemwingie, McAuley, Yacob etc and he'd have kept us up. We'd have been great to watch too

Yes id agree with that Liam! would have been great entertainment. TM would have needed a good defensive coach though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2015, 04:40:15 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2015, 04:30:16 PM
Bit of a difference when you're shopping in the markets of Ryan Donk etc isn't there?

Give Mowbray the likes of Odemwingie, McAuley, Yacob etc and he'd have kept us up. We'd have been great to watch too
I agree. Some people seem to think that we were cast adrift at the foot of the table that season, but we only missed staying up by 4 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 27, 2015, 06:17:18 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2015, 04:30:16 PM
Bit of a difference when you're shopping in the markets of Ryan Donk etc isn't there?

Give Mowbray the likes of Odemwingie, McAuley, Yacob etc and he'd have kept us up. We'd have been great to watch too

Like at Celtic when he had equal best budget in the country. The argument has to take into account time frame and context. The money every team has now is way more and he spent a lot on Valero at the time (record signing). He also agreed to some shocking signings too (Barnett and Meiete 2.5 each).
Mowbray also inherited a squad that he had to rebuild (with huge talent for the division we were In) that took him time.
I liked Mowbrays style more than Pulis (for the record)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Avonbaggie on August 27, 2015, 06:22:13 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2015, 04:30:16 PM
Bit of a difference when you're shopping in the markets of Ryan Donk etc isn't there?

Give Mowbray the likes of Odemwingie, McAuley, Yacob etc and he'd have kept us up. We'd have been great to watch too

Yet he had Mulumbu and Dorrans but refused to play them?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2015, 06:34:12 PM
Quote from: Avonbaggie on August 27, 2015, 06:22:13 PM
Yet he had Mulumbu and Dorrans but refused to play them?

Mulumbu spent the first few months of his tenure here injured. Weren't they both around 21 years of age? Not the greatest time to throw in a lad who had just joined from Livingstone. I know they both featured towards the end of the season but I wouldn't lambast Mowbray for not using them. One of his biggest mistakes was not getting the most out of Valero.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 06:55:16 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2015, 06:34:12 PM
Mulumbu spent the first few months of his tenure here injured. Weren't they both around 21 years of age? Not the greatest time to throw in a lad who had just joined from Livingstone. I know they both featured towards the end of the season but I wouldn't lambast Mowbray for not using them. One of his biggest mistakes was not getting the most out of Valero.

Mowbray would never have used either McAuley or Yacob in a million years

Can we stick to Pulis please as the title of thread suggests. Mods going off topic,  Supposed to be setting an example  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2015, 07:00:37 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 06:55:16 PM
Mowbray would never have used either McAuley or Yacob in a million years

Can we stick to Pulis please as the title of thread suggests. Mods going off topic,  Supposed to be setting an example  ;)

Better than reading your love affair with Pulis  :-*

(not to be taken seriously folks)  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 07:02:42 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2015, 07:00:37 PM
Better than reading your love affair with Pulis  :-*

(not to be taken seriously folks)  ;D

 :D No love affair, as i've said not his biggest fan but deserves a chance to sort the mess. We need some sort of stability.

Now behave or I start mentioning Julie Walters  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2015, 07:04:08 PM
I 100% agree. Let him sort the mess

*quickly changes conversation*  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on August 27, 2015, 07:17:50 PM
What winds me up about Pulis is the fact that players are played out of position rather than picking International footballers in their actual roles.

He is supposed to be a head coach.  If the likes of Gamboa and Pocognoli struggle then surely its up to Pulis to coach them and get them organised rather than deeming them no good and washing his hands with them in favour of midfielders and centre backs. He's not even given them a chance.

It's all down to him being such a defensive coach.  He'd rather fill his team with workers with limited technical ability rather than pick a team to take it to the opposition.  I believe that a mix can be found. 

I for one would much rather see a team who is exciting and entertaining and goes to Old Trafford and takes it to them and wins in style the way we did under Clarke rather than the way we played 10 men behind the ball last season under Pulis.


I know I keep mentioning it but I admire Swansea the way they play and how they go about their business.  The have out-Albioned Albion.  Started way below us but are a much better club and passed us by.  Gary Monk has done a great job taking over the good work done by Laudrup and Rodgers.

Pulis was a necessary evil last season.  I would never have appointed him if I was Peace but its served its purpose.  Should have given him the golden handshake at the end of the season and said thank you but we want to go in another direction.

Ultimately it comes down to Peace who IMO appointed Pulis short term believing that the sale of the club was a definite and that the new owners could do what they wanted with him as long as we stayed in the Prem.  Sadly that fell through and we are lumbered with this footballing dinosaur.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scruffy Stan on August 27, 2015, 08:21:59 PM
With you all the way, Kris.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 27, 2015, 09:01:06 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on August 27, 2015, 07:17:50 PM
What winds me up about Pulis is the fact that players are played out of position rather than picking International footballers in their actual roles.

He is supposed to be a head coach.  If the likes of Gamboa and Pocognoli struggle then surely its up to Pulis to coach them and get them organised rather than deeming them no good and washing his hands with them in favour of midfielders and centre backs. He's not even given them a chance.

It's all down to him being such a defensive coach.  He'd rather fill his team with workers with limited technical ability rather than pick a team to take it to the opposition.  I believe that a mix can be found. 

I for one would much rather see a team who is exciting and entertaining and goes to Old Trafford and takes it to them and wins in style the way we did under Clarke rather than the way we played 10 men behind the ball last season under Pulis.


I know I keep mentioning it but I admire Swansea the way they play and how they go about their business.  The have out-Albioned Albion.  Started way below us but are a much better club and passed us by.  Gary Monk has done a great job taking over the good work done by Laudrup and Rodgers.

Pulis was a necessary evil last season.  I would never have appointed him if I was Peace but its served its purpose.  Should have given him the golden handshake at the end of the season and said thank you but we want to go in another direction.

Ultimately it comes down to Peace who IMO appointed Pulis short term believing that the sale of the club was a definite and that the new owners could do what they wanted with him as long as we stayed in the Prem.  Sadly that fell through and we are lumbered with this footballing dinosaur.

True, but, their academy is inferior to ours, they have had several good seasons and moved ahead of us, but, they are the exception rather than the rule. There are many clubs who have fallen way below us as well, its easy to cast an envious eye, but there are far more clubs and fans looking at us with envy than us looking outward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2015, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 27, 2015, 06:17:18 PM
The money every team has now is way more and he spent a lot on Valero at the time (record signing). He also agreed to some shocking signings too (Barnett and Meiete 2.5 each).
I don't know one way or the other, but I have a suspicion that the manager didn't necessarily have the final say when it came to signings back then. At that time, we were willing to pay fees moreso than wages, which restricted us significantly.

Whoops, I need to write something on topic! Given that not so long ago, when Pulis was asked if there would be 1 or 2 more players brought in, he answered that there would be "quite a few". I am wondering how he's viewing things at this point in time, with 5 days left in the window and no-one having left yet or come in yet (I'm not counting O'Neil as neither his wages nor his transfer fee will be of significance)? I think his "quite a few" comment was after we signed Rondon, but I'm willing to be corrected.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 27, 2015, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on August 27, 2015, 12:58:47 AM
No offence but that is a thankless task,any poster replying to this,would be shot down and have his choices ravaged and laughably spat out.
I don't like the Pulis way either,but we must give him time for at least most of the season,but tbh I am worried about the future,not about being relegated but by wasting the chance to kick on and improve the Club,on and off the pitch.
As you can see Hull Baggie raised the same question.
I am interested as we have had so many managers with differing styles?
It was not until Hodgson came to us that we started to look like a team.He had the same "Marmite" reaction (Pulis prob bit more re Stoke connection) Yet he turned us into hard to beat and his legacy lasted.
The problem is as has been said by Oldbury we have an ageing side and have not bought wisely. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 27, 2015, 10:27:18 PM
You'd think after the job Pulis did last season some would give him a break. He deserves a bit of time and patience. He has already identified the need for us to be better going forward. Against Chelsea we played some great stuff at times. Without Pulis all the pundits would pick us for relegation, he's the reason they don't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 27, 2015, 10:47:38 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 27, 2015, 10:27:18 PM
You'd think after the job Pulis did last season some would give him a break. He deserves a bit of time and patience. He has already identified the need for us to be better going forward. Against Chelsea we played some great stuff at times. Without Pulis all the pundits would pick us for relegation, he's the reason they don't.

I'm not a Pulis fan but agree with you... he has earned a bit of "time and patience"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 27, 2015, 10:51:11 PM
This is his team, with all the new additions and exited players.
He has to stand up and be counted.
He has had chances in the winter window too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on August 27, 2015, 11:02:31 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 27, 2015, 09:01:06 PM
True, but, their academy is inferior to ours, they have had several good seasons and moved ahead of us, but, they are the exception rather than the rule. There are many clubs who have fallen way below us as well, its easy to cast an envious eye, but there are far more clubs and fans looking at us with envy than us looking outward.

That is very true, although Leicester and Norwich have possibly caught up with us, and Swansea, Stoke and Palace have apparently moved ahead of us, there are many who have fallen behind in recent years - Fulham, Bolton, Blackburn, Wigan, QPR, Hull, Portsmouth, Wolves and Birmingham, some of whom have played in Europe!

There are no guarantees in football but Pulis gives us a realistic chance of survival and he and the club know we need to get our hands dirty before we have any hope of moving the club forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Cleobury_WBA on August 27, 2015, 11:13:40 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on August 27, 2015, 07:17:50 PM
What winds me up about Pulis is the fact that players are played out of position rather than picking International footballers in their actual roles.

He is supposed to be a head coach.  If the likes of Gamboa and Pocognoli struggle then surely its up to Pulis to coach them and get them organised rather than deeming them no good and washing his hands with them in favour of midfielders and centre backs. He's not even given them a chance.

It's all down to him being such a defensive coach.  He'd rather fill his team with workers with limited technical ability rather than pick a team to take it to the opposition.  I believe that a mix can be found. 

I for one would much rather see a team who is exciting and entertaining and goes to Old Trafford and takes it to them and wins in style the way we did under Clarke rather than the way we played 10 men behind the ball last season under Pulis.


I know I keep mentioning it but I admire Swansea the way they play and how they go about their business.  The have out-Albioned Albion.  Started way below us but are a much better club and passed us by.  Gary Monk has done a great job taking over the good work done by Laudrup and Rodgers.

Pulis was a necessary evil last season.  I would never have appointed him if I was Peace but its served its purpose.  Should have given him the golden handshake at the end of the season and said thank you but we want to go in another direction.

Ultimately it comes down to Peace who IMO appointed Pulis short term believing that the sale of the club was a definite and that the new owners could do what they wanted with him as long as we stayed in the Prem.  Sadly that fell through and we are lumbered with this footballing dinosaur.

Agree 100%. Why can't we play proper full-backs? We do we need 4 centre-halfs or Brunt at left-back? Why does it feel like we play for a 0-0 in every away game?  ???

I like TP and I think he's the right appointment for now, but I'd like to see us play a bit more expansively, particularly away from home. Maybe he feels he hasn't got the personnel yet to play another way, in whch case he might have a busy few days!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 27, 2015, 11:15:12 PM
Quote from: Cleobury_WBA on August 27, 2015, 11:13:40 PM
Agree 100%. Why can't we play proper full-backs? We do we need 4 centre-halfs or Brunt at left-back? Why does it feel like we play for a 0-0 in every away game?  ???

I like TP and I think he's the right appointment for now, but I'd like to see us play a bit more expansively, particularly away from home. Maybe he feels he hasn't got the personnel yet to play another way, in whch case he might have a busy few days!
And home game. >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 27, 2015, 11:21:17 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 27, 2015, 10:51:11 PM
This is his team, with all the new additions and exited players.
He has to stand up and be counted.
He has had chances in the winter window too.
He has added 2 strikers.2 Wingers McClean not sure of more a squad player McManaman  injury prone?1 defender.Not many outs who we need out?
He brought in Fletcher last Jan and was seen as a good deal? For that alone was an improvement on sod all which Jeremy usually does in Jan.
I can only remember Andrews? Coming in and making an impact a DM? From a Jan deal?
Not over yet but is a worry.


 
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on August 28, 2015, 01:04:55 AM
for me things haven't improved tactically or football wise ,v city he should have started with 5 in midfield and not played chester at full back he admitted these mistakes,v Chelsea he evened things up by taking off mac for the again ineffectual lambert,why not go 3 at the back with 10 mins left we didn't have a proper go after Morrison scored our 2 nd goal,v port vale well no goals in 2 hours of open play,things can only get better,personally I think pulis is a footballing dinosaur and hope he leaves asap
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on August 28, 2015, 08:31:26 AM
Let's not talk about replacing Pulis. We need stability, give the man some time!!

If we're stilling playing the same football in 18 months, then review the situation. Until then let's get behind him to give him every chance of succeeding.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 28, 2015, 08:41:38 AM
I think it's a little disrespectful to be mentioning potential replacements at this point in time. I made it clear I was unsure about him when we got him purely based on his years at Stoke, was difficult to judge for Palace as he had the players there already to play that certain way.

Despite my doubts about him I think he deserves time, the football can be ugly but it can often be effective. I think we all need to remember that this is quite a rebuilding job that needs doing after the last couple of terrible years when it comes to managerial appointments, transfers and other general mismanagement of the club and it is no quick fix.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 28, 2015, 09:05:48 AM
Opinions are quite mixed on him I see on the oatcake, On a side note quite a few reckon we will get something tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 28, 2015, 10:29:56 AM
The topic is TONY PULIS, can we keep it on that topic please. As said disrespectful to be mentioning others so stay on the Pulis topic please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 28, 2015, 03:02:28 PM
In a parallel universe where Dan Ashworth didn't go to the FA we probably wouldn't be here but that and every other this or that alternative manager discussion is entirely hypothetical. We are where we are. I do not want to watch to Pulisball no matter how effective it is and what is more please don't tell me it is the only way because plainly it is not.

However I am not rooting for the flounce out the day after the window closes because that plunges us into a deep crisis and I have know idea how it ends. The game of musical chairs we have been playing with the Head Coach role had to stop it is just disappointing it stopped with Pulis in the chair. At some point he will move on but in the meantime I guess we just grin and bare it.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ahandpatsy on August 28, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/21/tony-pulis-sacking-stoke

6 years at Stoke was long enough

He spent a fortune and we all used to take the p*** when they came here and say "how can you watch that every week ?"

Remember that ?

That's our future.

Will get my season ticket back when he goes

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 28, 2015, 03:36:13 PM
Understand your frustrations completely.  Pulis really does suck all the joy out of following the Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 29, 2015, 08:15:03 AM
Quote from: ahandpatsy on August 28, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/21/tony-pulis-sacking-stoke

6 years at Stoke was long enough

He spent a fortune and we all used to take the p*** when they came here and say "how can you watch that every week ?"

Remember that ?

That's our future.

Will get my season ticket back when he goes

Thats a scarily familiar piece from the Guardian
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 29, 2015, 08:50:20 AM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on August 29, 2015, 08:15:03 AM
Thats a scarily familiar piece from the Guardian

I agree it is scary and does make you think.
Having said that this club needed a shake up, I think Pulis is part way through stripping it back, then we have to give him the rest of the season to see how things pan out. He was at Stoke for six years playing their infamous brand of football. It hasn't been that difficult for Mark Hughs to come in make a few tweaks and get them playing football why should it be any different with us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2015, 05:10:09 PM
when roy gets the boot after the euros we have his readymade replacement, lets hope Dyke is already tapping him up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 29, 2015, 05:11:22 PM
Two wins in a week. The performances will get better but for now the three points will do. In Pulis we trust.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 29, 2015, 05:13:42 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 29, 2015, 05:11:22 PM
Two wins in a week. The performances will get better but for now the three points will do. In Pulis we trust.

2 wins? Come on classing the Port Vale game as a win is stretching things. Had Stoke had 11 men we'd still be bottom of the table. Pulis is a very lucky man.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 29, 2015, 05:14:41 PM
Just do what Stoke did and get rid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on August 29, 2015, 05:18:12 PM
Quote from: GrGr on August 29, 2015, 05:14:41 PM
Just do what Stoke did and get rid.
Same here .. I want him out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 29, 2015, 05:23:46 PM
Those who want Pulis out are pathetic.

Seriously. After a 1-0 away win, against our bogey team.

Remember when we went to Stoke last year, under Irvine, and limped to a 0-2 loss.

Yeah, me too. Much rather Pulis any day. Take a look at yourselves, get off your high horses and realise the size and expectations of the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on August 29, 2015, 05:25:22 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 29, 2015, 05:23:46 PM
Those who want Pulis out are pathetic.

Seriously. After a 1-0 away win, against our bogey team.

Remember when we went to Stoke last year, under Irvine, and limped to a 0-2 loss.

Yeah, me too. Much rather Pulis any day. Take a look at yourselves, get off your high horses and realise the size and expectations of the club.
I think we will stay up but are you willing to pay the Pulis price?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 29, 2015, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 29, 2015, 05:23:46 PM
Those who want Pulis out are pathetic.

Seriously. After a 1-0 away win, against our bogey team.

Remember when we went to Stoke last year, under Irvine, and limped to a 0-2 loss.

Yeah, me too. Much rather Pulis any day. Take a look at yourselves, get off your high horses and realise the size and expectations of the club.
Agree, it's quite scary how fickle our fans are becoming, the majority wanted Irvine out and were begging for Pulis, myself included. We all knew Pulis would come in and do ugly stuff, however as I've said 1000 times over the past week, give him at least until the end of the season - saying you want him out now is childish and would not lead to any progression.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2015, 05:26:33 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 29, 2015, 05:23:46 PM
get off your high horses and realise the size and expectations of the club.
It's not being on a high horse to expect your team to beat 9 men without struggling.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2015, 05:27:33 PM
in the words of john wayne get off your horse and drink your milk
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 29, 2015, 05:35:05 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2015, 05:26:33 PM
It's not being on a high horse to expect your team to beat 9 men without struggling.

But we didn't struggle. Myhil barely tested by all accounts. We scored a goal, they didn't Job done. When a team goes down to 10 men, 9 men they go compact and hope for scraps here and there. Exactly what Stoke did. Even bomber says they were  well organised with 9 men.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 29, 2015, 05:41:32 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on August 29, 2015, 05:25:30 PM
Agree, it's quite scary how fickle our fans are becoming, the majority wanted Irvine out and were begging for Pulis, myself included. We all knew Pulis would come in and do ugly stuff, however as I've said 1000 times over the past week, give him at least until the end of the season - saying you want him out now is childish and would not lead to any progression.

Why is it childish?

I wanted Pulis last year simply because I knew he would keep us up and staying in the prem was mandatory so we could rebuild over the summer. I also wanted him to rebuild us over the summer into a good team, but so far he has failed to do so. If he brings in reinforcements that make us an interesting team again fine, but he will not because he is the problem to start with. He has a couple of days to prove me wrong, but I don't think he will. Pulis is only stringing us along with promises of new and interesting players that will improve the football he plays.

Under Pulis there will be no progression. It will be the Stoke dilemma all over again, because Pulis can't help himself and who he is. What is the point in making us Stoke II?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 29, 2015, 05:45:49 PM
Quote from: GrGr on August 29, 2015, 05:41:32 PM
Why is it childish?

I wanted Pulis last year simply because I knew he would keep us up and staying in the prem was mandatory so we could rebuild over the summer. I also wanted him to rebuild us over the summer into a good team, but so far he has failed to do so. If he brings in reinforcements that make us an interesting team again fine, but he will not because he is the problem to start with. He has a couple of days to prove me wrong, but I don't think he will. Pulis is only stringing us along with promises of new and interesting players that will improve the football he plays.

Under Pulis there will be no progression. It will be the Stoke dilemma all over again, because Pulis can't help himself and who he is. What is the point in making us Stoke II?

It's childish because under Pulis WE HAVE progressed. We went from relegation fodder with Irvine to a much more solid/stable outfit. If we sacked him now, we'd be back to square one, effectively gambling with unknown managers. It's childish that people can change their minds so quickly, and suddenly he's 'awful' when the same football last year wasn't moaned about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 29, 2015, 05:48:39 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on August 29, 2015, 05:45:49 PM
It's childish because under Pulis WE HAVE progressed. We went from relegation fodder with Irvine to a much more solid/stable outfit. If we sacked him now, we'd be back to square one, effectively gambling with unknown managers. It's childish that people can change their minds so quickly, and suddenly he's 'awful' when the same football last year wasn't moaned about.

Irvine was completely out of his depth. We didn't really progress because we shouldn't have been in the mess to begin with. This club has been solid mid-table for a few seasons now.

As I made clear above I saw the Pulisball of last season as a necessary evil for survival THAT season after the Irvine debacle. Pulisball for this season and the following seasons is just nonsense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on August 29, 2015, 05:50:33 PM
It has been said before but, all of those times he done us over with his style for Stoke... "Well at least we don't have to watch that every week!".. Well now we do and i'm amazed people are willing to accept it.

People talk about his time at Palace. Yes he inherited a squad and did really well with the players he had. As soon as he was in charge of getting the players to play "his" way, Palace did'nt sign them so he left.

It is sad that survival is what some of you want at any price.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 29, 2015, 05:50:49 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 29, 2015, 05:35:05 PM
But we didn't struggle. Myhil barely tested by all accounts. We scored a goal, they didn't Job done. When a team goes down to 10 men, 9 men they go compact and hope for scraps here and there. Exactly what Stoke did. Even bomber says they were  well organised with 9 men.

Anybody else would win the game 3 or 4 nil, forget the well organised nonsense.

Watching a bunch of distinctly average British footballers with no idea how to attack is embarassing, especially after 6 years in this league.

At what point do we ever win a game comfortably? Who does it have to be an epic struggle every week?

It might be 'job done' but expectations of what's acceptable need to change. It ain't all about just scraping over the finish line.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 29, 2015, 05:53:06 PM
Quote from: GrGr on August 29, 2015, 05:41:32 PM
Why is it childish?

I wanted Pulis last year simply because I knew he would keep us up and staying in the prem was mandatory so we could rebuild over the summer. I also wanted him to rebuild us over the summer into a good team, but so far he has failed to do so. If he brings in reinforcements that make us an interesting team again fine, but he will not because he is the problem to start with. He has a couple of days to prove me wrong, but I don't think he will. Pulis is only stringing us along with promises of new and interesting players that will improve the football he plays.

Under Pulis there will be no progression. It will be the Stoke dilemma all over again, because Pulis can't help himself and who he is. What is the point in making us Stoke II?

I don't think you can accuse him of stringing you along. What you see is what you get. If you thought for a moment that it was going to be something different more fool you. His comments about incoming transfers surprising a few would probably in his mind be squared off by Evans who I would imagine he regards as quite a coup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 29, 2015, 05:57:18 PM
Quote from: Standaman on August 29, 2015, 05:53:06 PM
I don't think you can accuse him of stringing you along. What you see is what you get. If you thought for a moment that it was going to be something different more fool you. His comments about incoming transfers surprising a few would probably in his mind be squared off by Evans who I would imagine he regards as quite a coup.

Agreed. Evidence of his approach to football was the 7 or so years at Stoke. Palace was a blip.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 29, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
Quote from: GrGr on August 29, 2015, 05:48:39 PM
Irvine was completely out of his depth. We didn't really progress because we shouldn't have been in the mess to begin with. This club has been solid mid-table for a few seasons now.

As I made clear above I saw the Pulisball of last season as a necessary evil for survival THAT season after the Irvine debacle. Pulisball for this season and the following seasons is just nonsense.
I will judge in 3 months time.He had a want away as left back and several issues to overcome.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2015, 05:58:18 PM
i suppose hes inherited bad purchases from the last 3 seasons.i aint calling for his head just yet
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 29, 2015, 05:58:23 PM
Quote from: Standaman on August 29, 2015, 05:53:06 PM
I don't think you can accuse him of stringing you along. What you see is what you get. If you thought for a moment that it was going to be something different more fool you. His comments about incoming transfers surprising a few would probably in his mind be squared off by Evans who I would imagine he regards as quite a coup.

I agree. So much for 'Pulis will have us play like Palace, not Stoke'... Truth is we are the new Stoke, shame on us. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 29, 2015, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on August 29, 2015, 05:25:30 PM
Agree, it's quite scary how fickle our fans are becoming, the majority wanted Irvine out and were begging for Pulis, myself included. We all knew Pulis would come in and do ugly stuff, however as I've said 1000 times over the past week, give him at least until the end of the season - saying you want him out now is childish and would not lead to any progression.

I wanted him out the day he joined so at least I'm consistent. Negative and potentially suicidal, but consistent nonetheless!  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 29, 2015, 06:00:26 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on August 29, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
I will judge in 3 months time.He had a want away as left back and several issues to overcome.

That is fair. I just really don't see how Pulis will suddenly change, I hope he does but he won't. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2015, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: GrGr on August 29, 2015, 06:00:26 PM
That is fair. I just really don't see how Pulis will suddenly change, I hope he does but he won't.

he will on wednesday when the window is over ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on August 29, 2015, 06:02:18 PM
Things aren't going to change unless TP walks out & why should he?
We've been poor for the last 3 or 4 seasons in my opinion (ok so I don't get to see games in the flesh often - I did get to the Chelsea game last week) but we've never been able to control a ball, put more than 2 or 3 passes together, ball retention poor - I could go on...
We as a club have drifted, things radically need changing & it is imperative we finish this season by staying in the greed league purely due to the massive increase in revenue next season. I think TP will achieve this - I think we all realise it ain't going to be pretty but we can't change it all overnight or with a couple of transfer windows! It's not just on the pitch either!
All in all we are coping better than some - Leeds, Derby, Forest, to name 3.
Still only another 36points required  ;D
Cheer up all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 29, 2015, 06:03:55 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2015, 06:01:31 PM
he will on wednesday when the window is over ;)

Once the window is shut, that will be the start of the test for Pulis imo. If we don't back him and get the other 2/3 player we all know we need, then the man still has breathing room.

If we get the players he wants, then we can come to expect better from the team.

That said, Pulis has maintained all along that this season is a season of transition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 29, 2015, 06:05:41 PM
Quote from: GrGr on August 29, 2015, 06:00:26 PM
That is fair. I just really don't see how Pulis will suddenly change, I hope he does but he won't.
He wont. What I am saying is he wants players in he can trust.Want away's must give the man ulcers!
I will give him some slack to get a balance in.
All this "Albion Way" of playing football is nonsense in this day and age.
Gary Megson got us up playing very much like Pulis.
Way it is today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 29, 2015, 06:15:27 PM
Give him a fecking break, all he wanted today was a victory against his old club and Mark Hughes...... ANY WIN, ANY WAY. He made the right substitutions at the right time. What else could he do? Still too many players not good enough, and he is trying to address that. THIS IS THE ALBION   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Big Al on August 29, 2015, 06:18:29 PM
I agree I watched some absolute dross under Megson but as we had been starved of anything to cheer and he was successful we loved him. Pulis is similar in his approach but it is much tougher to win in the prem.
No enjoyment in the style of play but no surprise either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 29, 2015, 06:18:54 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on August 29, 2015, 05:25:30 PM
Agree, it's quite scary how fickle our fans are becoming, the majority wanted Irvine out and were begging for Pulis, myself included. We all knew Pulis would come in and do ugly stuff, however as I've said 1000 times over the past week, give him at least until the end of the season - saying you want him out now is childish and would not lead to any progression.

How can it be fickle?

The majority of fans disliked Pulis when he was manager of Stoke and the same people dislike him now despite the fact that we stayed up and somehow managed to win a game of football today.

He was tolerated last season given what was at stake and now there needs to be signs of big improvement.

Thats called sticking to your guns which is the exact opposite.

Pulis harps on about the transfer window and that it should close before the season starts yet he's one of the worst for leaving things till the last minute.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 29, 2015, 06:27:23 PM
feels like a bit of a work in progress tbh. Cant believe Pulis would be happy with these performances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 29, 2015, 06:36:25 PM
He does what it say's on the tin. Four points from a very difficult month, we could have ended up with 0.

Let's get a few more wins under our belt's,the football can wait.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2015, 06:43:37 PM
Quote from: RedHead_Baggie on August 29, 2015, 06:18:54 PM
How can it be fickle?

The majority of fans disliked Pulis when he was manager of Stoke and the same people dislike him now despite the fact that we stayed up and somehow managed to win a game of football today.

He was tolerated last season given what was at stake and now there needs to be signs of big improvement.

Thats called sticking to your guns which is the exact opposite.

Pulis harps on about the transfer window and that it should close before the season starts yet he's one of the worst for leaving things till the last minute.

He doesn't have a lot of chance to do as much business as he would like if he has no idea whether or not our £25m star striker is being sold and if there is no interest in the dross players that were bought before he arrived!

Correct me if I'm wrong though, but haven't Rondon, Lambert, McClean, Chester and Gnabry already been signed in this transfer window?  Hardly leaving it to the last minute.  Likely to see Evans and 2 or 3 others arrive yet, even if Berahino isn't sold!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 29, 2015, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on August 29, 2015, 06:27:23 PM
feels like a bit of a work in progress tbh. Cant believe Pulis would be happy with these performances.

I was wondering the same. While he loves a clean sheet he keeps talking about the sloppy passing etc. while he's not free flowing I doubt he's happy with it either.

Pulis will divide opinion where ever he goes. He will get results, is that enough? Also our first full season under Roy was a struggle at the start and people were calling him defensive and a pragmatist. I still remember a 3-0 to Swansea away where people were jumping on his back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 29, 2015, 07:15:36 PM
The passing and ball retention has got to improve but that's been a problem for three seasons now not just under Pulis. Im as frustrated as anybody but our club has stagnated on and off the pitch for a fair while now , this is a big job to turn around and he did a fantastic job even keeping us up.
Like many im concerned with a number of team choices and ive been bored at some of our games but I accept this isn't going to happen over night......forget Palace , forget Stoke , forget the Pulisball tag just go on him keeping us up last season and give him time to get something built.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 29, 2015, 07:51:08 PM
With Rondon, Lambert and Berahino. Fletcher, Chester, McManaman and Gnabry. I think this is a much stronger squad than we have had before.

We can argue about the players he picks, but with this lot plus Foster, Dawson, Sess, Yacob, Morrison etc there are enough players and back up players to pick a winning creative team
from.

Pulis has been backed by Peace.

Over to you Tony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 29, 2015, 08:17:44 PM
I did not like macca not starting today Gardener is a utility player apart from that i think he got the substitutions spot on.I will give him more time to get this squad rolling the 10 game mark looks more reasonable so lets see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 29, 2015, 08:34:23 PM
Quote from: frazzle on August 29, 2015, 07:51:08 PM
With Rondon, Lambert and Berahino. Fletcher, Chester, McManaman and Gnabry. I think this is a much stronger squad than we have had before.

We can argue about the players he picks, but with this lot plus Foster, Dawson, Sess, Yacob, Morrison etc there are enough players and back up players to pick a winning creative team
from.

Pulis has been backed by Peace.

Over to you Tony.
all bar foster were available from that list yet we created very little against 9 men.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2015, 09:32:52 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on August 29, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
I will judge in 3 months time.He had a want away as left back and several issues to overcome.
Whose fault is that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2015, 09:33:51 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 29, 2015, 05:35:05 PM
When a team goes down to 10 men, 9 men they go compact and hope for scraps here and there.
Which is how we approach it when we have 11 men!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2015, 09:39:56 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on August 29, 2015, 08:17:44 PM
I did not like macca not starting today Gardener is a utility player apart from that i think he got the substitutions spot on.
Pulis said before the game that McManaman had a calf strain, so wouldn't be able to play more than 40 minutes or so. I'm not sure he should have played at all, he took a couple of hefty challenges and then pretty much disappeared from the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggieblood on August 29, 2015, 09:41:51 PM
Mcmannaman is an enigma imo he great one game and absent the next.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spyro on August 29, 2015, 10:44:19 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 29, 2015, 08:34:23 PM
all bar foster were available from that list yet we created very little against 9 men.
because of pulis negative tactics
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on August 29, 2015, 10:54:08 PM
Quote from: Baggieblood on August 29, 2015, 09:41:51 PM
Mcmannaman is an enigma imo he great one game and absent the next.
What would you rather have ... some one great one week . then subsequently missing the next ; or some one so ordinary every week it's frightening ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on August 29, 2015, 11:18:30 PM
I think everyone's getting a little bit over excited,Especially with today's result ,but let's wait and see what we bring in during the last few days of the window . Then give the team 5or6 games to settle and then pass judgement . Let's  just all calm down
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 29, 2015, 11:41:52 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on August 29, 2015, 08:17:44 PM
I did not like macca not starting today Gardener is a utility player apart from that i think he got the substitutions spot on.I will give him more time to get this squad rolling the 10 game mark looks more reasonable so lets see.

FFS - the guy was injured.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on August 30, 2015, 02:09:23 AM
He is the most negative manager in English football always has been always will be[apart from a few great perfomances from palace who did have an attacking mindset that he would have stifled],those who defend him are only fooling yourselves 9 v 11 we defend a 1 goal its a joke,please get him out asap
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 30, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Quote from: elkiellis on August 30, 2015, 02:09:23 AM
He is the most negative manager in English football always has been always will be[apart from a few great perfomances from palace who did have an attacking mindset that he would have stifled],those who defend him are only fooling yourselves 9 v 11 we defend a 1 goal its a joke,please get him out asap

As I've just wrote on the First Four Games thread, every team apart from Man City are struggling to break down teams so far this season.

There have only been 7 home wins compared to 17 away wins. And as you know the home side usually had the majority of the play with having home advantage etc. Teams are better at going away and being hard to breakdown, knowing they only need a goal from a counter attack or a set play to walk away with the 3 points.

If you for rid of Pulis the next guy would be exactly the same because it's a working formula for everybody!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 30, 2015, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 30, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
As I've just wrote on the First Four Games thread, every team apart from Man City are struggling to break down teams so far this season.

There have only been 7 home wins compared to 17 away wins. And as you know the home side usually had the majority of the play with having home advantage etc. Teams are better at going away and being hard to breakdown, knowing they only need a goal from a counter attack or a set play to walk away with the 3 points.

If you for rid of Pulis the next guy would be exactly the same because it's a working formula for everybody!

Thankfully you are here posting sensible stuff.

If I said what I wanted to some of our so called 'fans' I would get banned so easily. I am so speechless at some of the comments, it seems some of fans just want the club and everything Pulis does to fail so they can feel better about themselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 30, 2015, 10:30:51 AM
Quote from: addy on August 30, 2015, 10:27:01 AM
Thankfully you are here posting sensible stuff.

If I said what I wanted to some of our so called 'fans' I would get banned so easily. I am so speechless at some of the comments, it seems some of fans just want the club and everything Pulis does to fail so they can feel better about themselves.

And some fans are just blind to what is going on.

Like sheep following the shepherd.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 30, 2015, 10:52:17 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 30, 2015, 10:30:51 AM
And some fans are just blind to what is going on.

Like sheep following the shepherd.

Not sure I can be a sheep when I am in the minority. I honestly think more fans are anti-Pulis than not. Certainly feels that way anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 11:07:29 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2015, 09:39:56 PM
Pulis said before the game that McManaman had a calf strain, so wouldn't be able to play more than 40 minutes or so. I'm not sure he should have played at all, he took a couple of hefty challenges and then pretty much disappeared from the game.

Once again, its clear to me that some people have never played competitive sport, I'm just recovering from a calf injury, I played competitive tennis for the first time in two months with no injury, it makes a huge difference to how you perform.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 30, 2015, 11:08:16 AM
Quote from: addy on August 30, 2015, 10:52:17 AM
Not sure I can be a sheep when I am in the minority. I honestly think more fans are anti-Pulis than not. Certainly feels that way anyway.

Very true. He didn't start off with a clean slate from having such a good record against West Brom in the past. Winning more games at the Hawthorns than Mel and Irvine combined wasn't it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 30, 2015, 11:15:10 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 30, 2015, 11:08:16 AM
Very true. He didn't start off with a clean slate from having such a good record against West Brom in the past. Winning more games at the Hawthorns than Mel and Irvine combined wasn't it?

I think its just the way he plays that the fans are not happy with, or playing at the moment. I don't think any history really comes into it that much.

I am very convinced it will get better over time, but it seems people just don't want to give him the time that he needs, they want it all now now now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 11:16:43 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 30, 2015, 11:08:16 AM
Very true. He didn't start off with a clean slate from having such a good record against West Brom in the past. Winning more games at the Hawthorns than Mel and Irvine combined wasn't it?

You're more than welcome to him if you love him so much.

Send Mark Hughes in our direction and all will be fine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
Quote from: addy on August 30, 2015, 11:15:10 AM
I think its just the way he plays that the fans are not happy with, or playing at the moment. I don't think any history really comes into it that much.

I am very convinced it will get better over time, but it seems people just don't want to give him the time that he needs, they want it all now now now.

I think history plays a massive part, many were against him for that reason before he got through the door.

Not going to lie many (including me) felt the same when the previous coach arrived, difference being he had no track record in top flight football which was the concern for many, Pulis has.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 30, 2015, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
I think history plays a massive part, many were against him for that reason before he got through the door.

Not going to lie many (including me) felt the same when the previous coach arrived, difference being he had no track record in top flight football which was the concern for many, Pulis has.

You think? I just think fans wouldn't care about history if we was playing like Swansea under Pulis.

True it probably was a case when he joined that he was frowned upon because of his reputation and it started off on the wrong foot because of it, something that never really bothered me.

It did with Irvine though I also admit, I am still shocked to this day we ever appointed Irvine. It was really hard for anyone to find a positive on that appointment. Apart from Legend ofcourse ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2015, 11:24:39 AM
Quote from: addy on August 30, 2015, 11:22:59 AM
You think? I just think fans wouldn't care about history if we was playing like Swansea under Pulis.

True it probably was a case when he joined that he was frowned upon because of his reputation and it started off on the wrong foot because of it, something that never really bothered me. It did with Irvine though I also admit, I am still shocked to this day we ever appointed Irvine.

If we were playing like Swansea then no-one would bat an eyelid and a few would be eating their words already but unfortunately we're playing like Stoke  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 30, 2015, 11:25:52 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2015, 11:24:39 AM
If we were playing like Swansea then no-one would bat an eyelid and a few would be eating their words already but unfortunately we're playing like Stoke  :D

Yep, I honestly feel its going to get better though. Guess its just a case of glass half full / half empty situation.

If we are still playing like Stoke in a years time than fair enough. I might even start to get a bit frustrated with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 30, 2015, 11:29:25 AM
Some people wont be happy till he walks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 30, 2015, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 11:16:43 AM
You're more than welcome to him if you love him so much.

Send Mark Hughes in our direction and all will be fine.

Mark Hughes, now there is a real thug and bully,and like all bully's start crying wolf when they don't get their own way.

Amazed that some people loved Tony Mowbray who was so naive about getting result's he became an embarrassment.
Pulis all the way for me, anyone who wants attacking attractive football should follow Blackpool, where are they now?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2015, 11:52:24 AM
The Blackpool downturn is completly the responsibility of upstairs. Nothing to do with playing attractive football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 30, 2015, 12:04:18 PM
Neither was Tony Mowbrays Albion. Managers praised us for losing so well.

Sod that, i hope they all dread playing us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ahandpatsy on August 30, 2015, 12:17:10 PM
Quote from: addy on August 30, 2015, 11:25:52 AM
Yep, I honestly feel its going to get better though. Guess its just a case of glass half full / half empty situation.

If we are still playing like Stoke in a years time than fair enough. I might even start to get a bit frustrated with it.

Apart from blind optimism and a few months at Palace, what possible reason could there be for Pulis to change.

7 years at Stoke over 120 million quid spent on a team that the fans refused to watch anymore.

Why do you think some of the most dedicated fans in the country (whatever we think of them) turned there back on him in the end

Because it was grim, dull, boring and in the end if you want to play that way and just be average 10th, 11th, 12th it stops being interesting.

Then you stop going
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 30, 2015, 12:23:51 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 30, 2015, 10:30:51 AM
And some fans are just blind to what is going on.

Like sheep following the shepherd.

What is going on?
Playing badly and winning football matches? Spending money on players? Whether you like his way of doing things he left Stoke and Palace in better positions than when he arrived. He walked out on Palace but this was after saving them and left a good squad behind which Pardew has built on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Vince Pinner on August 30, 2015, 12:26:42 PM
Pulis needs at least one more if not two transfer windows to sort out this squad. We are a work in progress.  If that's not good enough for the "want it now" generation then support someone else.

As for "negative tactics", I don't think people understand the difference between tactics and performances on the pitch. Pulis' subs yesterday were all positive and designed to win the game. He shouldn't get stick because the likes of Fletcher and Morrison moved the ball around at two miles per hour and Lescott being on the pitch was like playing with ten men anyway. We do need a left-back.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 30, 2015, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: ahandpatsy on August 30, 2015, 12:17:10 PM
Apart from blind optimism and a few months at Palace, what possible reason could there be for Pulis to change.

7 years at Stoke over 120 million quid spent on a team that the fans refused to watch anymore.

Why do you think some of the most dedicated fans in the country (whatever we think of them) turned there back on him in the end

Because it was grim, dull, boring and in the end if you want to play that way and just be average 10th, 11th, 12th it stops being interesting.

Then you stop going

Not really blind optimism then is it when you mention Palace... he also got Manager of the Year that season.

I would love us to finish 10th this season absolute love it. Would be a massive improvement on the last two seasons anyway.

Mid table is the best we can ever hope for in reality, not sure what some fans expect? Top 4? Top 6? lol.

I woke up with a smile today because we won yesterday.. and tbh that's all that really matters for me right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 30, 2015, 12:59:00 PM
One of the reasons were struggling for consistency have been the lack of JP investing in the previous transfer Windows. Looks like the penny has finally dropped but I'll wait until the window close's to make a call on that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on August 30, 2015, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Vince Pinner on August 30, 2015, 12:26:42 PM
Pulis needs at least one more if not two transfer windows to sort out this squad. We are a work in progress.  If that's not good enough for the "want it now" generation then support someone else.

As for "negative tactics", I don't think people understand the difference between tactics and performances on the pitch. Pulis' subs yesterday were all positive and designed to win the game. He shouldn't get stick because the likes of Fletcher and Morrison moved the ball around at two miles per hour and Lescott being on the pitch was like playing with ten men anyway. We do need a left-back.
I thought he probably overdid the subs yesterday, a lot of the players are still getting to know each other and we seemed to lack coherence.  But yes, at least they were positive and going for the second goal which would have ended it as a  contest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on August 30, 2015, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: Vince Pinner on August 30, 2015, 12:26:42 PM
Pulis needs at least one more if not two transfer windows to sort out this squad. We are a work in progress.  If that's not good enough for the "want it now" generation then support someone else.

As for "negative tactics", I don't think people understand the difference between tactics and performances on the pitch. Pulis' subs yesterday were all positive and designed to win the game. He shouldn't get stick because the likes of Fletcher and Morrison moved the ball around at two miles per hour and Lescott being on the pitch was like playing with ten men anyway. We do need a left-back.

'Pulis' subs yesterday were all positive and designed to win the game'

Not the most difficult thing to do when your playing against 9 men Vince! Any coach would have done the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 01:52:15 PM
Quote from: divinewind on August 30, 2015, 11:46:08 AM
Mark Hughes, now there is a real thug and bully,and like all bully's start crying wolf when they don't get their own way.

Amazed that some people loved Tony Mowbray who was so naive about getting result's he became an embarrassment.
Pulis all the way for me, anyone who wants attacking attractive football should follow Blackpool, where are they now?

Alternatively they could follow Swansea and Southampton - where are both of them now?

Nice choice of football club to prove a point eh? A little club with no facilities whatsoever, boardroom unrest and owners who make Peace look like a big spender. Anything to twist the argument.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2015, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 01:52:15 PM
Alternatively they could follow Swansea and Southampton - where are both of them now?

Nice choice of football club to prove a point eh? A little club with no facilities whatsoever, boardroom unrest and owners who make Peace look like a big spender. Anything to twist the argument.

You mean Southampton and Swansea who have raised many a penny selling players on over the past few years and had a scouting system looking at bringing in players for the first team not the squad as we have done for far too long ?

Problems at this club are deeper than Pulis, he's the one bearing the brunt of trying to sort it out. I think Peace realised that things had to change all around thats what we're getting, its not a 5 minute job to put right years of mistakes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 30, 2015, 02:06:08 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 01:52:15 PM
Alternatively they could follow Swansea and Southampton - where are both of them now?

Nice choice of football club to prove a point eh? A little club with no facilities whatsoever, boardroom unrest and owners who make Peace look like a big spender. Anything to twist the argument.

Swansea and Southampton are not comparable to us. Both have been bank rolled by Liverpool football club to the tune of around £100 million between them. Not forgetting £30 million from Man City and £30 million form Manchester United.

Swansea invested well in Bony while Clarke signed Anelka. Southampton dropped lucky last season that all their incomings gelled (compare it to Liverpool) however they lost their first home game 3-0 to a side both us and them would hope to beat at home.

Finally Southampton have a mega rich owner.

We are where we are due to serious mismanagement at the highest level. Christ, Gardner is considered a successful transfer from last summer. Pulis will still be here in 2 years time and by then he'll have just about sorted out the mess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 02:07:05 PM
We had a scouting system that worked perfectly until we decided a solicitor should run the football club.

Southampton benefited through a blossoming academy - although we may as well kiss goodbye to ours because there's no chance of them getting a game here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 02:09:49 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2015, 02:01:00 PM
You mean Southampton and Swansea who have raised many a penny selling players on over the past few years and had a scouting system looking at bringing in players for the first team not the squad as we have done for far too long ?

Problems at this club are deeper than Pulis, he's the one bearing the brunt of trying to sort it out. I think Peace realised that things had to change all around thats what we're getting, its not a 5 minute job to put right years of mistakes.

Peace used a business model which was successful and was envied and copied by others, but, it has proven unable to progress the club in the Premier League, Swansea took the best of our model but also used buying and selling to progress in a way Peace's model could not, (mostly down to attractive skilful football used by Swansea), Peace is a clever man, he has seen the flaws our model and changed course, he is to be praised for this because to keep making the same mistakes would have been disastrous, it seems Peace has acted in time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 02:10:55 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 30, 2015, 02:06:08 PM
Swansea and Southampton are not comparable to us. Both have been bank rolled by Liverpool football club to the tune of around £100 million between them. Not forgetting £30 million from Man City and £30 million form Manchester United.

Swansea invested well in Bony while Clarke signed Anelka. Southampton dropped lucky last season that all their incomings gelled (compare it to Liverpool) however they lost their first home game 3-0 to a side both us and them would hope to beat at home.

Finally Southampton have a mega rich owner.

We are where we are due to serious mismanagement at the highest level. Christ, Gardner is considered a successful transfer from last summer. Pulis will still be here in 2 years time and by then he'll have just about sorted out the mess.

So because Liverpool have bankrolled them we're not comparable?

Despite playing in the same division, being relatively decent sized clubs, and us being in the division longer than them both.

Both of those clubs highlight where we should or could have been.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2015, 02:11:24 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 02:07:05 PM
We had a scouting system that worked perfectly until we decided a solicitor should run the football club.

Southampton benefited through a blossoming academy - although we may as well kiss goodbye to ours because there's no chance of them getting a game here.

Which comes down to problems deeper than Pulis and as Jacko says mismanagement at the highest levels. There were also failures before Garlick took over and too many players coming to sit on the bench whilst the regulars were getting new contracts and no threat to their places.

Not sure you can compare the Academy at Southampton bringing through the likes of Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain and also Chris Baird to the ones we've produced who with the exception of Saido have not exactly hit the Premier League running.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2015, 02:13:22 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 02:09:49 PM
Peace used a business model which was successful and was envied and copied by others, but, it has proven unable to progress the club in the Premier League, Swansea took the best of our model but also used buying and selling to progress in a way Peace's model could not, (mostly down to attractive skilful football used by Swansea), Peace is a clever man, he has seen the flaws our model and changed course, he is to be praised for this because to keep making the same mistakes would have been disastrous, it seems Peace has acted in time.

I think thats one of the problems, we were happy to plod along whilst others saw how it worked and saw where they could adjust things as well.

Pulis is the one who has the task of trying to move a few on which is not as easy as people would think. Its not pretty and won't be for a while.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 02:21:24 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2015, 02:11:24 PM
Which comes down to problems deeper than Pulis and as Jacko says mismanagement at the highest levels. There were also failures before Garlick took over and too many players coming to sit on the bench whilst the regulars were getting new contracts and no threat to their places.

Not sure you can compare the Academy at Southampton bringing through the likes of Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain and also Chris Baird to the ones we've produced who with the exception of Saido have not exactly hit the Premier League running.

I'm not aware of me comparing our academies? You will see on other threads I want us to close ours down if we won't blood them into the first team.

How was Tone last night?  :-* :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2015, 02:27:19 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 02:21:24 PM
I'm not aware of me comparing our academies? You will see on other threads I want us to close ours down if we won't blood them into the first team.

How was Tone last night?  :-* :D

You said Southampton benefited from a blossoming academy and we might as well close ours down, is that not comparing the two ?

No idea what you mean about last night but I sense sarcasm  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 02:21:24 PM
I'm not aware of me comparing our academies? You will see on other threads I want us to close ours down if we won't blood them into the first team.

How was Tone last night?  :-* :D

Closing down the academy would be foolish in the extreme, it has now generated money and produced a potential England player, it's tax deductible, it will protect the club should we suffer relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 02:30:25 PM
Closing down the academy would be foolish in the extreme, it has now generated money and produced a potential England player, it's tax deductible, it will protect the club should we suffer relegation.

Its a debate for another thread unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2015, 02:27:19 PM
You said Southampton benefited from a blossoming academy and we might as well close ours down, is that not comparing the two ?

No idea what you mean about last night but I sense sarcasm  :D

I wasn't trying to compare the two - would be foolish as they have the best academy in the country.

Me be sarcastic?! Never  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 02:53:45 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 02:37:14 PM
Its a debate for another thread unfortunately.

To be honest, I don't think its even debatable unless you want to take the club back into the dark ages.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 30, 2015, 04:02:53 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 01:52:15 PM
Alternatively they could follow Swansea and Southampton - where are both of them now?

Nice choice of football club to prove a point eh? A little club with no facilities whatsoever, boardroom unrest and owners who make Peace look like a big spender. Anything to twist the argument.

I chose Blackpool as an example because both they and us at the time were the footballing sides of the prem, i have the DVD when we beat them 4-3 and it was a great game, even better when i was there.
But although it could have ended up 10-10, the truth this had we both been playing a top side then both of us would have been hammered playing like that.
There is a reason that Pulis has never been relegated, he isn't so naive as Mowbray, RDM or Holloway.

Playing good stuff wins you many friends but unfortunately at this level not many games.

All the old footballing sides, Spurs,West Ham and Man U have had to cut their cloth accordingly.

Chelsea have some of the world's best players but they hardly play like Real Madrid or Barca.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 30, 2015, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: divinewind on August 30, 2015, 04:02:53 PM
I chose Blackpool as an example because both they and us at the time were the footballing sides of the prem, i have the DVD when we beat them 4-3 and it was a great game, even better when i was there.
But although it could have ended up 10-10, the truth this had we both been playing a top side then both of us would have been hammered playing like that.
There is a reason that Pulis has never been relegated, he isn't so naive as Mowbray, RDM or Holloway.

Playing good stuff wins you many friends but unfortunately at this level not many games.

All the old footballing sides, Spurs,West Ham and Man U have had to cut their cloth accordingly.

Chelsea have some of the world's best players but they hardly play like Real Madrid or Barca.

Blackpool were promoted way before their time. Good football or not they were always going to go down. A bit like Burnley last season. Swansea and Southampton have shown that you can play goof football and do well. They have a footballing philosophy that they have stuck with for years. We haven't. We've gone from one style to another. We have no identity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 30, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 30, 2015, 04:12:43 PM
Blackpool were promoted way before their time. Good football or not they were always going to go down. A bit like Burnley last season. Swansea and Southampton have shown that you can play goof football and do well. They have a footballing philosophy that they have stuck with for years. We haven't. We've gone from one style to another. We have no identity.
Which is exactly why we need some now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on August 30, 2015, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: divinewind on August 30, 2015, 04:02:53 PM
I chose Blackpool as an example because both they and us at the time were the footballing sides of the prem, i have the DVD when we beat them 4-3 and it was a great game, even better when i was there.
But although it could have ended up 10-10, the truth this had we both been playing a top side then both of us would have been hammered playing like that.
There is a reason that Pulis has never been relegated, he isn't so naive as Mowbray, RDM or Holloway.

Playing good stuff wins you many friends but unfortunately at this level not many games.

All the old footballing sides, Spurs,West Ham and Man U have had to cut their cloth accordingly.

Chelsea have some of the world's best players but they hardly play like Real Madrid or Barca.

Pulis' doesn't win that many games either. There is a reason he struggles to get past the mid point of the Premier League. He may not get relegated, but he sure doesn't add anything interesting to the Prem either.

I bet two years from now in away games he will still play some variation of the way we set up at Stoke away - a flat midfield four of hard workers protecting a solid set of big lumps at the back. Only he will have spent untold millions of pounds in creating his upgraded version of the current setup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on August 30, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
Which is exactly why we need some now.

I don't want the clubs identity shaped in this fashion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 05:45:51 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2015, 05:39:38 PM
I don't want the clubs identity shaped in this fashion.

I really think your fears are unfounded, in 12 months time I expect us to be efficient, functional but also reasonably attractive to watch, I really believe the lack of pace in defence is holding the club back massively.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 30, 2015, 06:20:08 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 05:45:51 PM
I really think your fears are unfounded, in 12 months time I expect us to be efficient, functional but also reasonably attractive to watch, I really believe the lack of pace in defence is holding the club back massively.
its not just pace, gamboa is one of the fastest players around but we've seen very little of him, having defenders who can do basics like pass a ball to a team mate would help.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 06:21:40 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 30, 2015, 06:20:08 PM
its not just pace, gamboa is one of the fastest players around but we've seen very little of him, having defenders who can do basics like pass a ball to a team mate would help.

To be honest, at Premiership level, that should be a given.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 30, 2015, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 06:21:40 PM
To be honest, at Premiership level, that should be a given.
I agree but its been woeful watching olson and co just smashing long balls without any accuracy whatsoever up the field, brunty is the only defender who can pick a pass but it may help if we had a creative midfielder who wants the ball so a shorter pass may be achieved if its not to taxing for our hoofers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 30, 2015, 06:39:35 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 02:53:45 PM
To be honest, I don't think its even debatable unless you want to take the club back into the dark ages.
Trouble is we are already on our way there with this dinosaur in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 30, 2015, 06:45:05 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on August 30, 2015, 06:39:35 PM
Trouble is we are already on our way there with this dinosaur in charge.
Yep Pulis will take us back to the days of Dennis Smith, Brian Little and Bobby Gould! really???
To say Pulis only took teams no higher than 10th when he managed Stoke and Palace for 3/4 of a season seems harsh. He got stoke promoted, into Europe and to a cup final.
Which teams have consistently been in the top 10? with budgets like ours?
We did it once, Stoke did it last season. Southampton and Swansea last season. on a regular basis any others?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 30, 2015, 07:00:25 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 05:45:51 PM
I really think your fears are unfounded, in 12 months time I expect us to be efficient, functional but also reasonably attractive to watch, I really believe the lack of pace in defence is holding the club back massively.

Stoke weren't after all the years Pulis was there and all of the millions spent. Unless we learn how to do basic things like pass a ball then we will struggle. Our midfield is shocking and needs a complete overhaul. Don't worry though we have a whole 48 hours to do this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 30, 2015, 07:41:02 PM
Very depressed with our performances but i will judge him in Oct/Nov.

Feels like the team is a work in progress and you can see the affect the Berahino thing is having on the club. We need the transfer window done ASAP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2015, 07:42:41 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 30, 2015, 07:00:25 PM
Stoke weren't after all the years Pulis was there and all of the millions spent. Unless we learn how to do basic things like pass a ball then we will struggle. Our midfield is shocking and needs a complete overhaul. Don't worry though we have a whole 48 hours to do this.

Its been needed for more than just this transfer window so the blame for that goes further than Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 30, 2015, 07:50:19 PM
Quote from: Brummie Road on August 30, 2015, 06:47:47 PM
Personally I do find it tiresome that a seemingly growing number of Albion supporters seem to be yearning for that "fluffy, nicey, nicey" fantasy football world, where the Albion players are passing the ball perfectly, a pleasing to the eye bit of tiki taka maybe? of course we'd get turned over regularly...

You mean like Swansea got turned over by Man Utd today?

Oh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on August 30, 2015, 07:57:43 PM
Where has the fallacy that if you play a rapid attacking passing game you are doomed arisen from?

I don't think I've seen anyone say they want to see Albion play a defence to the wind gung-ho style. Personally, I'd like to see us make more use of the width of the pitch, playing through the midfield, rather than over it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on August 30, 2015, 08:27:09 PM
Quote from: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 30, 2015, 07:50:19 PM
You mean like Swansea got turned over by Man Utd today?

Oh.

Totally different beast though...

They have had a consistent footballing philosophy for the last decade from Jackett through to Laudrup and now continued by a former player who knows the club inside out and has the full backing of the club.

We have been strruggling to stay in this division under Clarke, Mel and Irvine who have had to contend with off field battles too during their time here.

Pulis did what he was brought in to do last season and has been given the nod to overhaul the club and hopefully take us on the next level - eventually.

This will obviously take time and money, may not be pretty and we may never be treated to champagne football at the Hawthorns again, but I for one, are willing to give him a chance to try and get us there - his way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 30, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on August 30, 2015, 08:27:09 PM
Totally different beast though...

They have had a consistent footballing philosophy for the last decade from Jackett through to Laudrup and now continued by a former player who knows the club inside out and has the full backing of the club.

We have been strruggling to stay in this division under Clarke, Mel and Irvine who have had to contend with off field battles too during their time here.

Pulis did what he was brought in to do last season and has been given the nod to overhaul the club and hopefully take us on the next level - eventually.

This will obviously take time and money, may not be pretty and we may never be treated to champagne football at the Hawthorns again, but I for one, are willing to give him a chance to try and get us there - his way.

I agree completely.  Just sick to the back teeth of seeing the argument trotted out that high-tempo football with an attacking mentality (which should be our long-term goal) automatically equals weekly drubbings and relegation, because that's demonstrably untrue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on August 30, 2015, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 30, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
I agree completely.  Just sick to the back teeth of seeing the argument trotted out that high-tempo football with an attacking mentality (which should be our long-term goal) automatically equals weekly drubbings and relegation, because that's demonstrably untrue.

Pulis is defensively minded, but all all good teams are built on a solid back five.
It might take some time to get the balance right, but he might just get us playing the sort of stuff we all want to see?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 30, 2015, 09:05:24 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on August 30, 2015, 08:48:08 PM
Pulis is defensively minded, but all all good teams are built on a solid back five.
It might take some time to get the balance right, but he might just get us playing the sort of stuff we all want to see?

I sincerely hope so, but part of the problem here is that the club are quiet on what the long-term plan is; or, indeed, if there even is one.  For the last couple of years the attitude has been "let's just get through this season and then see what happens", and that kind of short-termism has been crippling us.  I think most people would be a lot more tolerant of functional, needs-must football in the here and now if we were at least reasonably confident that something a bit better was round the corner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 30, 2015, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 30, 2015, 09:05:24 PM
I sincerely hope so, but part of the problem here is that the club are quiet on what the long-term plan is; or, indeed, if there even is one.  For the last couple of years the attitude has been "let's just get through this season and then see what happens", and that kind of short-termism has been crippling us.  I think most people would be a lot more tolerant of functional, needs-must football in the here and now if we were at least reasonably confident that something a bit better was round the corner.
If you look at what he has brought in player wise it points to considerable improvement.And I hope he gets the chance to finish it.
We have a lot of ineffectual players to off load as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 30, 2015, 10:58:13 PM
Quote from: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 30, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
I agree completely.  Just sick to the back teeth of seeing the argument trotted out that high-tempo football with an attacking mentality (which should be our long-term goal) automatically equals weekly drubbings and relegation, because that's demonstrably untrue.

Good points, but you also have to set up the team to suit the players at your disposal. Playing a high line while you have McAuley, Olsson and Lescott at the back is crazy no matter what your philosophy is.

As other people have said earlier in the thread, the club are paying the price for several seasons of bad recruitment. Brunt and Morrison are still 2 of the better players and they don't suit a high pressing gam either. Pepe Mel tried to shoehorn the players into the style you suggest and he only managed a 17% win rate. If Norwich didn't implode his style would have brought relegation.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 30, 2015, 11:37:29 PM
Again, I'm not for a minute contending that we should adopt an attacking style here and now and damn the consequences; I'm well aware of the limitations of our present line-up.  What I'm suggesting that is that in the long-term - i.e. over the course of 12 to 18 months - we should be looking to evolve towards that style of play.  I think the fear among those fans voicing concern is that this isn't the plan in Pulis's mind at all, and that what we're evolving towards will instead be the entrenched, attritional long-ball style on a permanent basis.  I fully advocate giving the man time to get a proper team together and see what works, but I'd rest a lot easier if I had some idea of what he's building towards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 30, 2015, 11:52:55 PM
He will always have a solid back line and will use 2 center midfielders who will mainly sit. That's what he calls his solid foundation and it's worked for him for years. When Hughes took over at Stoke he kept that exactly the same.

That puts the emphasise on the wide men to bring the attacking threat. McManaman, McClean and Gnarby have come in and he's still apparently chasing one of Phillips, Antonio and Moses.

When Stoke got to the cup final that was down to a solid defence and having Etherington and Pennant out wide. He didn't have any backup for the wingers and those pair having knocks leading up to the final was crucial. It looks like he's learnt his lesson with stockpiling wingers this window!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on August 31, 2015, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 30, 2015, 11:52:55 PM
He will always have a solid back line and will use 2 center midfielders who will mainly sit. That's what he calls his solid foundation and it's worked for him for years. When Hughes took over at Stoke he kept that exactly the same.

That puts the emphasise on the wide men to bring the attacking threat. McManaman, McClean and Gnarby have come in and he's still apparently chasing one of Phillips, Antonio and Moses.

When Stoke got to the cup final that was down to a solid defence and having Etherington and Pennant out wide. He didn't have any backup for the wingers and those pair having knocks leading up to the final was crucial. It looks like he's learnt his lesson with stockpiling wingers this window!
were not exactly stockpiling wingers. MacLean isn't premier league quality but is a decent sub and mcmanaman seems incapable of playing more than 3 games without getting injured. We then have gnabry who is only on loan and is not a winger. We dropped a clanger not getting sako for nowt and I would like to see Phillips if signed used for his pace and trickery behind rondon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 31, 2015, 06:51:55 AM
I would have signed sako however don't kid yourself in thinking he would be anything like the sako we are seeing at palace, Our styles of playing are vastly different.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 31, 2015, 06:58:47 AM
Also no coincidence that our only two wins at stoke in thirty years have came in the hands of good defensive managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on August 31, 2015, 10:38:06 AM
Quote from: wbako on August 30, 2015, 07:57:43 PM
Where has the fallacy that if you play a rapid attacking passing game you are doomed arisen from?

I don't think I've seen anyone say they want to see Albion play a defence to the wind gung-ho style. Personally, I'd like to see us make more use of the width of the pitch, playing through the midfield, rather than over it.

We just don't have the players to do it unfortunately. When Clarke took over and we had a good start to the season it was the best I'd seen the team play in a long time, we got the right mix that Hodgson had started, we'd soak the pressure and break away quickly. Then from that January Clarke tried to put his own stamp on things and changed it, for whatever reason I have no idea. We saw a bit of it with Mel. That style is very similar to the way Palace and Swansea play.

It was annoying on Saturday that we had the chances to do that and then went back to Mowbray style of getting into positions where we could counter and then get to the mid way of their half and pass it back to the defenders. This style since that January with Clarke has proven that it is nigh on impossible to break through 9/10 players sitting on the edge of the box and also a reason why there have been so many away wins this season. Defend tight and break quick when they have committed too many players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swabey on August 31, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 31, 2015, 06:58:47 AM
Also no coincidence that our only two wins at stoke in thirty years have came in the hands of good defensive managers.

I think we gave you that win on a plate. Don't think Pulis can take any credit whatsoever from that game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2015, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: swabey on August 31, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
I think we gave you that win on a plate. Don't think Pulis can take any credit whatsoever from that game.


of course he did, he deffended the lead which is what he is best at :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2015, 10:54:04 AM
Quote from: swabey on August 31, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
I think we gave you that win on a plate. Don't think Pulis can take any credit whatsoever from that game.

Taking off a defensive midfielder for a striker, the striker who happened to provide the assist for the goal is something Pulis can take credit for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on August 31, 2015, 10:56:00 AM
Quote from: swabey on August 31, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
I think we gave you that win on a plate. Don't think Pulis can take any credit whatsoever from that game.

Thanks very much - some pay back for all the those wins 'we gave you' over the past 15 years or so ? 

The only thing you can blame is the barmy indiscipline of your team. We did all we needed for three valuable points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 31, 2015, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: swabey on August 31, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
I think we gave you that win on a plate. Don't think Pulis can take any credit whatsoever from that game.

Yes pal I said that earlier on in this topic I think, You did same as Villa did under Irvine. Unfortunately footballers are not the wisest of people at times, Or fortunately for us I should say  :).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Vince Pinner on August 31, 2015, 11:06:03 AM
Quote from: swabey on August 31, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
I think we gave you that win on a plate. Don't think Pulis can take any credit whatsoever from that game.

Love this comment. Deja vu or what?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 31, 2015, 11:08:17 AM
My view of the Pulisball revolution.

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/beware-revolution-in-progress.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swabey on August 31, 2015, 11:10:07 AM
Quote from: Vince Pinner on August 31, 2015, 11:06:03 AM
Love this comment. Deja vu or what?

You're welcome to it  ;D

We had to endure 7 years before enough was enough, you haven't had him 5 minutes yet and half of you are tearing your hair out already.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Vince Pinner on August 31, 2015, 11:14:11 AM
Quote from: swabey on August 31, 2015, 11:10:07 AM
You're welcome to it  ;D

We had to endure 7 years before enough was enough, you haven't had him 5 minutes yet and half of you are tearing your hair out already.

We have been tearing out hair since St Pete ventured into taxi driving and took himself to Loftus Road for a night out.  We've been dreadful ever since and Pulis is getting grief off the pant-wetters as a result.

I think he's thoroughly aware of our limitations, even in January he was bemoaning how poor we were on the ball. He's going to need time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swabey on August 31, 2015, 11:17:31 AM
"He's going to need time"

Keep telling yourself that. It's the only way you will get through it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on August 31, 2015, 11:51:16 AM
Quote from: swabey on August 31, 2015, 11:17:31 AM
"He's going to need time"

Keep telling yourself that. It's the only way you will get through it.

This made me laugh to be fair. The way I'm getting through it is by not attending. rubbish fan and all that, but sticking by my principles. The Stoke game will be my last for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 31, 2015, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: Vince Pinner on August 31, 2015, 11:14:11 AM
We have been tearing out hair since St Pete ventured into taxi driving and took himself to Loftus Road for a night out.  We've been dreadful ever since and Pulis is getting grief off the pant-wetters as a result.

I think he's thoroughly aware of our limitations, even in January he was bemoaning how poor we were on the ball. He's going to need time.

Unbelievable comparing pulis' sh1te football to odemwingie turning up at QPR.

You keep paying your money mate to watch that sh1te
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on August 31, 2015, 12:05:38 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 31, 2015, 12:01:44 PM
Unbelievable comparing pulis' sh1te football to odemwingie turning up at QPR.

You keep paying your money mate to watch that sh1te

I'm sure many people will pay to watch us get 3 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 31, 2015, 12:07:35 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on August 31, 2015, 12:05:38 PM
I'm sure many people will pay to watch us get 3 points.

Thats their choice.

Ive opened my eyes and can see that we are going backwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 31, 2015, 12:09:50 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 31, 2015, 12:01:44 PM
Unbelievable comparing pulis' sh1te football to odemwingie turning up at QPR.

You keep paying your money mate to watch that sh1te

20 quid at Watford to watch that is about right, 10 pound in the cup very fair I stretched to 30 quid for stoke a tad to much for the quality on show but being asked 42 for villa including a booking fee is a firm no from me, Even if we went there to try and win I would still not pay it so to go there for a point at best, Its a no all day.

Unfortunately I will watch me club for anything under 30 quid although don't get it wrong I do think it's a lot but that's just football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saml30 on August 31, 2015, 12:24:50 PM
Anyone ever wondered if TP fancied the Man Utd reserves job?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 31, 2015, 12:45:28 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on August 31, 2015, 12:05:38 PM
I'm sure many people will pay to watch us get 3 points.
Maybe but the away support will drop right off in the coming months which is exactly what happened with the clayheads.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on August 31, 2015, 12:48:03 PM
Quote from: swabey on August 31, 2015, 11:17:31 AM
"He's going to need time"

Keep telling yourself that. It's the only way you will get through it.

Judging by the reception he got on his return on Saturday, I would suggest that the majority of your supporters fully appreciate the foundations that he put in place in order to take you to the next level.

I am sure that you enjoyed the Cup Final and Europe so why so harsh on the chap with the cap.
Could it possibly be a case of hurting the ones you love?
He's ours now, so get over it, and enjoy mixing it in the top half of the table from now on.

Ironic though, that with the vast array of flair and talent now at the Brit - Joselu, Bojan, Van Ginkel, Affelay, Shaqiri, et al you find your self in the bottom three without a win - behind the 3 promoted teams AND West Bromwich Albion!

You've got to laugh, haven't you...?  ;D
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2015, 12:50:23 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on August 31, 2015, 12:45:28 PM
Maybe but the away support will drop right off in the coming months which is exactly what happened with the clayheads.

Our away support has dropped off anyhow with the exception of free coaches and cheap tickets. Thats been going on for a while and no doubt will do until something is done about ticket prices.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on August 31, 2015, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: swabey on August 31, 2015, 11:10:07 AM
You're welcome to it  ;D

We had to endure 7 years before enough was enough, you haven't had him 5 minutes yet and half of you are tearing your hair out already.

As an Albion supporter you always have a choice  - go grey at twenty or tear it out. So TP brings nothing new to that situation. Used to be a smoker and could easily get through forty in 90 mins - and that was in the Astle, Brown, Willie J and Three degrees eras.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on August 31, 2015, 01:24:28 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2015, 12:50:23 PM
Our away support has dropped off anyhow with the exception of free coaches and cheap tickets. Thats been going on for a while and no doubt will do until something is done about ticket prices.

Sadly true. I think it is mainly down to prices, which people aren't prepared to pay now the novelty of the prem as worn off. Sign of the changing times - I remember taking armies up to Stoke etc for evening kick offs when we were absolutely pooh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2015, 01:34:29 PM
did i see a stat somewhere saying we were in the top 5 for shots from the weekend games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on August 31, 2015, 01:47:58 PM
 3rd in pass completion i thought i saw :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 31, 2015, 01:49:17 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on August 31, 2015, 01:47:58 PM
3rd in pass completion i thought i saw :o

Sideways and backwards but they all count  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ahandpatsy on August 31, 2015, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: wbako on August 31, 2015, 11:51:16 AM
This made me laugh to be fair. The way I'm getting through it is by not attending. rubbish fan and all that, but sticking by my principles. The Stoke game will be my last for the foreseeable future.

i gave up last march 

another rubbish fan

but another season ticket not bought

first time 9 years
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 31, 2015, 02:02:48 PM
Quote from: Vince Pinner on August 31, 2015, 11:14:11 AM
We have been tearing out hair since St Pete ventured into taxi driving and took himself to Loftus Road for a night out.  We've been dreadful ever since and Pulis is getting grief off the pant-wetters as a result.
Ignoring the offensive part of your comment (people are entitled to air their views without being insulted), for my part I call every situation as I see it at the time. Pulis is now at the end of at least one more transfer window than his 2 immediate predecessors got, so we'll have to see what he does with the tools he's left with after 18.00 tomorrow.

What I would say, though, is that he made no attempt at all to make Stoke more attractive to watch during all the time that he was there, so why would people expect him to do something different here, particularly as he's made no aspirations public regarding a style of play that he'd most like to use at Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 31, 2015, 02:04:37 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on August 31, 2015, 01:47:58 PM
3rd in pass completion i thought i saw :o
I think that's a reasonable expectation when you're playing 60+ minutes against 9 men. It was utterly ineffective though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 31, 2015, 05:51:28 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 31, 2015, 02:02:48 PM
Ignoring the offensive part of your comment (people are entitled to air their views without being insulted), for my part I call every situation as I see it at the time. Pulis is now at the end of at least one more transfer window than his 2 immediate predecessors got, so we'll have to see what he does with the tools he's left with after 18.00 tomorrow.

What I would say, though, is that he made no attempt at all to make Stoke more attractive to watch during all the time that he was there, so why would people expect him to do something different here, particularly as he's made no aspirations public regarding a style of play that he'd most like to use at Albion.

Firstly why did Mel (17% win rate) and Irvine (22% win rate) deserve more time when they did such a poor job?

The second bold part is not true at all. The Cup Final season 2010/11 he played some great stuff and hammered a load of teams. The season after he had European football and played some great mixed up football again. It didn't regress until January 2013 onwards when he knew he would be leaving in the summer. That was mainly down to off field issues too.

He's not going to turn West Brom back into a tippy tappy team so you may never be happy until another Mowbray takes over. But he will get the ball forward and try to win games. Don't believe the Chris Lepkowski propaganda about the defenders hoofing the ball out of canons every time they get the ball!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 31, 2015, 06:19:34 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 31, 2015, 05:51:28 PM
Firstly why did Mel (17% win rate) and Irvine (22% win rate) deserve more time when they did such a poor job?

The second bold part is not true at all. The Cup Final season 2010/11 he played some great stuff and hammered a load of teams. The season after he had European football and played some great mixed up football again. It didn't regress until January 2013 onwards when he knew he would be leaving in the summer. That was mainly down to off field issues too.

He's not going to turn West Brom back into a tippy tappy team so you may never be happy until another Mowbray takes over. But he will get the ball forward and try to win games. Don't believe the Chris Lepkowski propaganda about the defenders hoofing the ball out of canons every time they get the ball!
yet that's what they've been doing, not with any accuracy I might add.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 31, 2015, 06:27:12 PM
If we 'Pulised' our way to a Carling Cup or FA Cup final, I assume those who are disgusted and ashamed of our style would point blank refuse a ticket ...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on August 31, 2015, 06:29:28 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 31, 2015, 06:27:12 PM
If we 'Pulised' our way to a Carling Cup or FA Cup final, I assume those who are disgusted and ashamed of our style would point blank refuse a ticket ...

All ifs.

IF my aunty had a pair of balls she'd be my uncle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 31, 2015, 06:31:27 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 31, 2015, 06:19:34 PM
yet that's what they've been doing, not with any accuracy I might add.

They also did it under Clarke, Mel, and Irvine it hasn't just started with Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 31, 2015, 06:32:49 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 31, 2015, 06:29:28 PM
All ifs.

IF my aunty had a pair of balls she'd be my uncle.

I see. Well that's your get-out clause then.  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 31, 2015, 06:44:19 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 31, 2015, 06:31:27 PM
They also did it under Clarke, Mel, and Irvine it hasn't just started with Pulis.
which proves its not propaganda then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 31, 2015, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 31, 2015, 06:19:34 PM
yet that's what they've been doing, not with any accuracy I might add.

When it was 11 v 11 the best footballing move was the Morrison chance. That came from good passing play down the left hand side of the pitch. Stoke's best move came from Adam's direct pass to Diouf.

The goal came from good passing between Morrison and Lambert, followed up by a inch perfect cross and expertly placed header. It wasn't a case of Lescott blasting the ball forward and hoping for the best  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on August 31, 2015, 06:57:51 PM
No one's wrong here however those that see it for what it is won't be disappointed those choosing to be negative aren't wrong however there getting mad at something they have no control over.

My stance is I will go less than previous seasons enjoy the results when they come and get my football kicks from other games.

Expectations is what kills you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 31, 2015, 07:01:45 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on August 31, 2015, 06:57:51 PM
No one's wrong here however those that see it for what it is won't be disappointed those choosing to be negative aren't wrong however there getting mad at something they have no control over.

My stance is I will go less than previous seasons enjoy the results when they come and get my football kicks from other games.

Expectations is what kills you.

So your saying your a supporter but your not supporting us through times that are tough in your mind ?

Therefore you cant be a true supporter surely ?

Real supporters will support there team through tought times aswell as good times even if they are few.....
You might not be happy with whats going on and fair play for expressing any given opinion, but still support the team that you so passionately love ... through those ruff times.

Time for transition sit back and try to enjoy the ride.
I have faith Pulis will get us there. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on September 01, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
This thread just goes round in circles.

There are those that don't like the football, those that will put up with it so long as the results are OK and those that will defend the 'manager' whoever he is.  No-one is changing position.  IMO Pulis is here for another 20 odd months and this thread will continue to revolve.

...

I want to watch better football, but the displays and results have been frustrating ever since November 2012.  The squad has been ageing and in decline.  The transfer windows have delivered little improvement.  (Did we sign 11 players last summer?  And after today, Gardner - not my favourite - will be the only one left who is getting a game!)  We have wasted resources, we have got little value from our expenditure - we had become the opposite of the club under Hodgson and Ashworth.  The performances were, generally, bad before Pulis arrived.

I think that Pulis - the experienced manager, with a steady record, and a reputation for negative football and professional/cynical performances - is what we need to rebuild the base of our team and start to progress forward again.  Back to basics and go again from there.  I think we just have to hope the performances improve along with the entertainment.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
Quote from: Mr Cynical on September 01, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
This thread just goes round in circles.

There are those that don't like the football, those that will put up with it so long as the results are OK and those that will defend the 'manager' whoever he is.  No-one is changing position.  IMO Pulis is here for another 20 odd months and this thread will continue to revolve.

...

I want to watch better football, but the displays and results have been frustrating ever since November 2012.  The squad has been ageing and in decline.  The transfer windows have delivered little improvement.  (Did we sign 11 players last summer?  And after today, Gardner - not my favourite - will be the only one left who is getting a game!)  We have wasted resources, we have got little value from our expenditure - we had become the opposite of the club under Hodgson and Ashworth.  The performances were, generally, bad before Pulis arrived.

I think that Pulis - the experienced manager, with a steady record, and a reputation for negative football and professional/cynical performances - is what we need to rebuild the base of our team and start to progress forward again.  Back to basics and go again from there.  I think we just have to hope the performances improve along with the entertainment.

Being able to pass a football to another team mate would be a good start.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 01, 2015, 11:47:22 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 01, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
Being able to pass a football to another team mate would be a good start.

VVV started an interesting thread about the passing stats:

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=17107.0

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on September 01, 2015, 12:01:43 PM
I bet he's busy writing his resignation as obvious that not getting in required players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 01, 2015, 02:00:35 PM
Quote from: mikehy on September 01, 2015, 12:01:43 PM
I bet he's busy writing his resignation as obvious that not getting in required players.

Don't be silly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 02:02:42 PM
Quote from: mikehy on September 01, 2015, 12:01:43 PM
I bet he's busy writing his resignation as obvious that not getting in required players.



the amount of times hes thrown his cap down on the floor
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2015, 02:38:58 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 02:02:42 PM


the amount of times hes thrown his cap down on the floor

Pity his head wasn't in it  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 02:48:48 PM
Some footballers just dont want to play the Tone  way
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2015, 02:52:35 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 02:48:48 PM
Some footballers just dont want to play the Tone  way

or maybe we have to shift some of the dross before we can bring anyone else in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 01, 2015, 05:30:21 PM
I wonder if there is steam rising from his baseball cap. He must be in danger of spontaneously combusting!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on September 01, 2015, 05:30:21 PM
I wonder if there is steam rising from his baseball cap. He must be in danger of spontaneously combusting!



hes probably asked for a transfer, wait for his tweet, i wont manage Peace
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendo on September 01, 2015, 05:38:07 PM
So that's it then. What happened to all the surprise signings we was getting ? We end up just the same, no new play maker, no left back, no winger,  and left with a player that don,t want to play for us. Typical WBA, All talk no action, We never change. I really thought Pulis meant what he was saying, but it turned out to be rubbish and as soon as he left the ground about 4 oclock you knew that it had all died a death. I don,t hold much hope with what we have. Maybe Pulis might walk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 01, 2015, 05:41:50 PM
Don't think this shambles is TP's fault to be fair.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boult on September 01, 2015, 05:56:36 PM
Its the recruitment department targets missed as usual same old story every season fans taken as mugs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on September 01, 2015, 05:41:50 PM
Don't think this shambles is TP's fault to be fair.

Whos fault is it then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 05:59:04 PM
Shut the door on the way out Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 01, 2015, 05:59:36 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
Whos fault is it then?

Why look for blame, Berahino should not of signed the contract if he did not wish to fulfil it, end of!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2015, 06:00:24 PM
No wonder Tony left early, with the rubbish staff in the offices.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 06:01:01 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 01, 2015, 05:59:36 PM
Why look for blame, Berahino should not of signed the contract if he did not wish to fulfil it, end of!

Think youre on the wrong thread.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 01, 2015, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
Whos fault is it then?
Look at the previous manager. And if no on wants the players that we have got at the moment how can you blame Pulis,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 01, 2015, 06:01:57 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
Whos fault is it then?

Clarke (20% win rate in his 2nd season), Mel (17% win rate) and Irvine (22% win rate) turning the club into a bottom 4 club.

Plus a poor recruitment department who had 4-5 bad windows in a row.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on September 01, 2015, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on September 01, 2015, 05:41:50 PM
Don't think this shambles is TP's fault to be fair.
Who's door would you lay the blame at then ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on September 01, 2015, 06:09:31 PM
Pulis has to shoulder a lot of blame for this. Why else publicly make the comments he has done about the bringing in of 3 or 4 more players by today, that it would be an eventful final week, etc,etc. Peace wasn't holding a gun to his head when he made those comments. Yes, granted, there are other individuals with certain responsibilities but Pulis made a rod for his own back when wanted overall final say in transfer negotiations as part of his deal to come to the Albion. From that moment on as soon as we had a let down over signings during the transfer window he was always going to be in an awkward position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: koren on September 01, 2015, 06:17:31 PM
Big task for TP now.
From game against stoke we know that the team lack pace and creativity, but it didn't get sorted on deadline day.
He have to solve the the problem with the same group of players until January.
Maybe I'm too pessimistic but I really think it would be a very difficult season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 01, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 06:01:01 PM
Think youre on the wrong thread.

Nope, just replying to your obsession with TP, Berahino is to blame.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boult on September 01, 2015, 06:22:38 PM
 totally agree Pulis should have kept quiet we were never going to sign any good players rivals have all strengthened squads we have a long hard season of struggling again that's the Albion way
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 01, 2015, 06:24:32 PM
Quote from: koren on September 01, 2015, 06:17:31 PM
Big task for TP now.
From game against stoke we know that the team lack pace and creativity, but it didn't get sorted on deadline day.
He have to solve the the problem with the same group of players until January.
Maybe I'm too pessimistic but I really think it would be a very difficult season.

Don't under estimate what Evans will bring, we will have pace at centre back for the first time for years, that will allow the defence to play a much higher line, supporting the midfield.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on September 01, 2015, 06:24:49 PM
The whole club is completely controlled by Peace, if you want to blame anyone, then he's the man.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on September 01, 2015, 08:22:52 PM
Pulis has spent he most money so far this summer that any manager has had at our club. TP will know this and I cant see there being a problem between him and Peace.

As for Berahino Peace is coming out of it looking quite good and getting alot of praise as are his Southampton and Everton counterparts regarding not being bullied into selling to a 'bigger' club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on September 01, 2015, 08:36:04 PM
Quote from: labaggies on September 01, 2015, 06:24:49 PM
The whole club is completely controlled by Peace, if you want to blame anyone, then he's the man.
peace gave pulis a healthy budget. So for once I cannot blame him. Pulis decided he wanted no pace,flair or creativity. I will continue to not pay to watch such drab uninspiring football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 01, 2015, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: labaggies on September 01, 2015, 06:24:49 PM
The whole club is completely controlled by Peace, if you want to blame anyone, then he's the man.

Nope blokes a legend in my eyes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 01, 2015, 09:13:40 PM
Well..
Either TP has had all the control that's been reported, which leaves us a very unbalanced squad in terms of who he will actually pick
Or
He hasn't in which case we are in even more of a bad position.

I think there are certain things you can (at times) put up with , but we are now looking like a club that has the potential to implode, Saido will have some freinds on the staff that will now be disgruntled?, sess is wasted (see also poco/Gamboa) ,brunt injured,McLean unpopular, Olson past it, Macauley slowing drastically, Chester straight in straight out, I may be wrong and hope I am , but we don't look in good shape?, and we don't have alternatives.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 01, 2015, 09:41:32 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 01, 2015, 09:13:40 PM
Well..
Either TP has had all the control that's been reported, which leaves us a very unbalanced squad in terms of who he will actually pick
Or
He hasn't in which case we are in even more of a bad position.

I think there are certain things you can (at times) put up with , but we are now looking like a club that has the potential to implode, Saido will have some freinds on the staff that will now be disgruntled?, sess is wasted (see also poco/Gamboa) ,brunt injured,McLean unpopular, Olson past it, Macauley slowing drastically, Chester straight in straight out, I may be wrong and hope I am , but we don't look in good shape?, and we don't have alternatives.

Lock all the sharp objects away! ;D

Will be fine, even without Berahino.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2015, 09:46:53 PM
IMO...TP is in charge of the team but gets input to the office side.
          JP runs the business side of things.
This happens in the best of businesses.
You have a manager but over them you have a director.
A good director will listen, and to some degree will let the manager "manage" and make on the spot  "executive" decisions, but the final word is down to them.
     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 02, 2015, 01:37:52 AM
Pulis wanted other players that much is obvious as he said it. Why we didn't get them only the people on the inside know the reasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 02, 2015, 02:05:34 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 02, 2015, 01:37:52 AM
Pulis wanted other players that much is obvious as he said it. Why we didn't get them only the people on the inside know the reasons.

No, it's easy to see why we didn't get more players.

a. We failed to move on the deadwood, for obvious reasons (there simply isn't a market for declining players on massive wages)
b. we didn't sell Saido.
c. Pulis, self-imposedly, operates in a very limited market.

That's it.

Again it's a rather mediocre window, but at least we didn't make too many obvious shocking signings like last summer (Davidson etc etc) and Rondon looks useful. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on September 02, 2015, 06:23:43 AM
I feel Pulis is now under pressure. I can't help but ask was it really necessary to break apart a back 4/5 who kept one of the highest numbers of clean sheets last season. I think we would have been ok this season. We needed more quality firepower, which I expected to see more of with a couple of very good full backs.
We've let arguably our best defender go to a relegation rival and will have trouble with our top scorer (and prized asset)
Now we need to see Pulis mould this (his) team and see how we go.

Interesting times ahead.

Oh and does anyone else think he has used the Transfer Window during the season excuse an awful lot? If we had an easier start or had 9 points on the board and done our main business earlier (like most others) he would not have said much about it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 02, 2015, 06:27:07 AM
TP has managed to spend a net £30m with only marginally improving the squad IMHO.
Take away the spoiled brat and we are in worst shape. A difficult and bumpy road ahead for TP  and all of us. Think there is more trouble on the horizon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 02, 2015, 06:42:46 AM
I bet Pulis is pig sick this morning.
He shot off away from the training ground yesterday at 3.15 after he realised that Berahino wasn't going anywhere.
I think that's when his master plan failed.
He was hoping to sell the little git to fund the ('FANS WILL BE SURPRISED') players that he's been lauding for a few weeks.
Oh well Tone, there's always January!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swabey on September 02, 2015, 07:27:39 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 02, 2015, 06:42:46 AM
He was hoping to sell the little git to fund the ('FANS WILL BE SURPRISED') players that he's been lauding for a few weeks.
Oh well Tone, there's always January!

I do love that comment, it so reminds me of his "Rock the City signings" that were promised every year but never happened.

He will come out today with his well worn saying, "Things just didn't fall for us"

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 02, 2015, 07:38:18 AM
it seems as if any further incoming players was based on selling berahino but I think peace and pulis had different views.
did peace want to keep saido or just wanted a certain fee.
did pulis want to keep saido or sell to rebuild his own team.
it all seems a bid daft if the plan by peace and pulis was to sell saido for a huge fee to rebuild the team so late in the window, that is if the club was willing to sell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 02, 2015, 07:49:57 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 02, 2015, 07:38:18 AM
it seems as if any further incoming players was based on selling berahino but I think peace and pulis had different views.
did peace want to keep saido or just wanted a certain fee.
did pulis want to keep saido or sell to rebuild his own team.
it all seems a bid daft if the plan by peace and pulis was to sell saido for a huge fee to rebuild the team so late in the window, that is if the club was willing to sell.

It's very simple.

Berahino was for sale for a fair price, but not to be given away for peanuts.

The money to be raised was to be given to Pulis to strengthen the team, which was why he supported it, but there would have been no money because Spurs were only offering £5m upfront, meaning that we would have sold our best player yet would not have been able to strengthen the squad.  Utterly pointless.

Peace made this crystal clear last week when rejecting Spurs' second "offer".  He spelt out to Spurs that the deal was nowhere near enough because of how it was structured,
and that it was getting too late for Albion to accept anyway as we needed to buy replacements.

Levy chose to ignore what Peace said, and simply relied on Berahino trying to force through an unacceptable deal by threatening to go on strike on deadline day.  The rest is history.








Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 07:59:00 AM
A storms abrewing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on September 02, 2015, 08:01:05 AM
With a good break to the next game, there's time for things to calm down. Peace has sensibly lowered the temperature with regard to Berahino, Pulis can't walk away again like he did at Palace, he will make himself unemployable.  Also we are stuck with 3 or 4 players he doesn't really want.

Pulis is the "adult" here, he needs to find a way to clear the air and get the squad we have into shape to get 20+ points on the board by Xmas by managing the prima donnas (Berahino, Sess) and using the older players (Brunt, Morrison, MacAuley) to get some kind of working relationship going for everyone so we don't implode.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 02, 2015, 08:08:05 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 02, 2015, 07:49:57 AM
It's very simple.

Berahino was for sale for a fair price, but not to be given away for peanuts.

The money to be raised was to be given to Pulis to strengthen the team, which was why he supported it, but there would have been no money because Spurs were only offering £5m upfront, meaning that we would have sold our best player yet would not have been able to strengthen the squad.  Utterly pointless.

Peace made this crystal clear last week when rejecting Spurs' second "offer".  He spelt out to Spurs that the deal was nowhere near enough because of how it was structured,
and that it was getting too late for Albion to accept anyway as we needed to buy replacements.

Levy chose to ignore what Peace said, and simply relied on Berahino trying to force through an unacceptable deal by threatening to go on strike on deadline day.  The rest is history.
do you think if spurs 4th bid that came late in the day was an offer of £25m with a big payment upfront we wouldn't have sold him given the short time to get replacements in.
fail to see the bit about levy relying on berahino going on strike to force a deal having any substance, he hasn't gone on strike yet what he has done is posted a stupid thing on a social media site.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 02, 2015, 08:08:46 AM
Quote from: mulliganstired on September 02, 2015, 08:01:05 AM
With a good break to the next game, there's time for things to calm down. Peace has sensibly lowered the temperature with regard to Berahino, Pulis can't walk away again like he did at Palace, he will make himself unemployable.  Also we are stuck with 3 or 4 players he doesn't really want.

Pulis is the "adult" here, he needs to find a way to clear the air and get the squad we have into shape to get 20+ points on the board by Xmas by managing the prima donnas (Berahino, Sess) and using the older players (Brunt, Morrison, MacAuley) to get some kind of working relationship going for everyone so we don't implode.



Probably the best thing I have read on the subject sir.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on September 02, 2015, 08:20:59 AM
I think TP's next team selection at home against Southampton is vital. If he goes for Olsson, McAuley and Gardner to park the bus and rely on hoofing it up to Rondon he'll start to feel a serious backlash from us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 02, 2015, 08:22:40 AM
Quote from: mulliganstired on September 02, 2015, 08:01:05 AM
using the older players (Brunt, Morrison, MacAuley) to get some kind of working relationship going for everyone so we don't implode.
Let's hope they make a much better job of it than they did when Pepe Mel was here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on September 02, 2015, 09:20:21 AM
Quote from: miggybaggy on September 02, 2015, 08:20:59 AM
I think TP's next team selection at home against Southampton is vital. If he goes for Olsson, McAuley and Gardner to park the bus and rely on hoofing it up to Rondon he'll start to feel a serious backlash from us.

Why? Southampton are a good attacking team likely to finish in the the top 7, there will be no backlash from me when the manager tries to get the points the best way he feels how. So I think you should rephrase and not write it like everyone agrees with you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 02, 2015, 09:23:26 AM
Quote from: Sessegod on September 02, 2015, 09:20:21 AM
Why? Southampton are a good attacking team likely to finish in the the top 7, there will be no backlash from me when the manager tries to get the points the best way he feels how. So I think you should rephrase and not write it like everyone agrees with you.

The booing vs port vale and the lack of celebration at stoke said it all for me. The fans will turn, watch this space.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 02, 2015, 09:27:32 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 07:59:00 AM
A storms abrewing
In more ways than one Glyn.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on September 02, 2015, 09:31:10 AM
Quote from: labaggies on September 01, 2015, 06:24:49 PM
The whole club is completely controlled by Peace, if you want to blame anyone, then he's the man.

What is their to blame him about? We have spent more than in other seasons keeping to within the financial fair play rules and in keeping the club solvent, the signings we have made have all been decent. We have a few players we can't shift and we have one that thinks he should go for peanuts and better than he his. It's just the soap opera of our club and the prem continuing. For granted I'm sure a few fans are disappointed at not signing messi, bale and ronaldo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on September 02, 2015, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 02, 2015, 09:23:26 AM
The booing vs port vale and the lack of celebration at stoke said it all for me. The fans will turn, watch this space.

Plane and banner on it's way then..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 02, 2015, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: Sessegod on September 02, 2015, 09:32:00 AM
Plane and banner on it's way then..
I'd like to think Pulis will be given time to blend the new players in and that isn't going to be done in a month or so. I know theres a fair bit to improve but we must be reasonable , I'd sooner stick with TP right now than go for another untested  bloke.
Don't dust down the Shrewsbury coffin just yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 02, 2015, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Dexy on September 02, 2015, 10:06:18 AM
I'd like to think Pulis will be given time to blend the new players in and that isn't going to be done in a month or so. I know theres a fair bit to improve but we must be reasonable , I'd sooner stick with TP right now than go for another untested  bloke.
Don't dust down the Shrewsbury coffin just yet.

I don't think many will deny he needs time and rightly so he will get it. What concerns me (and others) is that I can't see how things can change with the squad we've got. We are always going to park the bus wherever we go even against the poor sides. The football (use the term loosely) served up at the moment is very poor. OK it may get the odd good result but who wants to pay to watch that? If you look at our best starting 11 we probably have only 1 maybe 2 players with any pace or flair.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 02, 2015, 10:17:42 AM
In relation to the murmurs between Pulis and Peace, In my opinion and this is what i gathered from watching it unfold for the last couple of hours yesterday on SSN when they was flickering back and fourth from outside the spuds training camp and our one.

Levy got drunk off about how stern of a business man Peace is who in my eyes is nothing short of brilliant for this club. However back on point when spuds got there fourth bid rejected i think a source from tottenham said to the reporter that Pulis wanted Berahino to be sold, It stank of a cheap shot to me.

I don't think Pulis will walk everything he has said in the last few months is contrary to that he loves it here and is in it for the long haul. He also has said multiple times that it wouldn't be good for Berahinos development if he goes just yet.

This is my feeling on it i wouldn't rule out for one second that he could be back and playing within the month.

The issue lies if i am wrong and somehow pulis did want him sold but then thats irrelevant same as it is with berahino because all business transactions are handled by the chairman full stop. Just cant see this being the case though.

Maybe Pulis is a tad frustrated with the window but then im guessing at least 15 other managers are in exactly the same boat in this league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 02, 2015, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 02, 2015, 10:11:51 AM
I don't think many will deny he needs time and rightly so he will get it. What concerns me (and others) is that I can't see how things can change with the squad we've got. We are always going to park the bus wherever we go even against the poor sides. The football (use the term loosely) served up at the moment is very poor. OK it may get the odd good result but who wants to pay to watch that? If you look at our best starting 11 we probably have only 1 maybe 2 players with any pace or flair.
I agree about pace , I was desperate to bring Phillips in personally but overall now we have Rondon , McManaman , Gnabry , Mclean (although im not convinced) plus Morrison and dare I say it Saido are no slouches and all have flair at various levels between them. Its not ideal but it's better than it was . Again agree the football's been poor but hopefully things will gel and the new players get us further up the pitch quicker and passing better. I don't think its fair to judge TP fully until Xmas at the earliest
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 02, 2015, 10:31:11 AM
Quote from: Dexy on September 02, 2015, 10:22:53 AM
I agree about pace , I was desperate to bring Phillips in personally but overall now we have Rondon , McManaman , Gnabry , Mclean (although im not convinced) plus Morrison and dare I say it Saido are no slouches and all have flair at various levels between them. Its not ideal but it's better than it was . Again agree the football's been poor but hopefully things will gel and the new players get us further up the pitch quicker and passing better. I don't think its fair to judge TP fully until Xmas at the earliest
Good post, It ay fair to judge him just yet, and you never know he could get us playing like Palace when he was there and then everyone will be happy, well some wont be till he as gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 02, 2015, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on September 02, 2015, 10:31:11 AM
Good post, It ay fair to judge him just yet, and you never know he could get us playing like Palace when he was there and then everyone will be happy, well some wont be till he as gone.

People should be clocking it now with the signings made and general approach to matches that in fact our approach will not be anything like palace. Somewhere in between in most cases.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 02, 2015, 10:41:51 AM
Only 7 clubs have spent more than us this summer, those who are criticising the ‘recruitment department’ must have forgotten that this department was largely dismembered months ago and that Pulis has been given pretty much carte blanche in the transfer market compared to any other Albion manager in the last decade.  It’s hardly Peace’s fault that Pulis has spunked money on a goalkeeper we don’t need, a quality centre back that he won’t play at centre back and still doesn’t recognise that there is such a thing as a specialist full back.  Peace’s statement last night was aimed at one man and one man only: Pulis.  You’ve been backed to the tune of £40million over the last two windows, stop bleating and whining about new faces and get on with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: Sessegod on September 02, 2015, 09:32:00 AM
Plane and banner on it's way then..


lol a fligh over coming
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Beefy on September 02, 2015, 12:33:57 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 02, 2015, 10:41:51 AM
Only 7 clubs have spent more than us this summer, those who are criticising the ‘recruitment department’ must have forgotten that this department was largely dismembered months ago and that Pulis has been given pretty much carte blanche in the transfer market compared to any other Albion manager in the last decade.  It’s hardly Peace’s fault that Pulis has spunked money on a goalkeeper we don’t need, a quality centre back that he won’t play at centre back and still doesn’t recognise that there is such a thing as a specialist full back.  Peace’s statement last night was aimed at one man and one man only: Pulis.  You’ve been backed to the tune of £40million over the last two windows, stop bleating and whining about new faces and get on with it.

Thought the keeper came in for free  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 02, 2015, 12:50:45 PM
Quote from: miggybaggy on September 02, 2015, 08:20:59 AM
I think TP's next team selection at home against Southampton is vital. If he goes for Olsson, McAuley and Gardner to park the bus and rely on hoofing it up to Rondon he'll start to feel a serious backlash from us.
Speak for yourself mate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 02, 2015, 12:56:20 PM
If this is true you can see why Pulis was a bit peeved.
I think he was hoping he got the money from the Berahino sale to fund the midfielder and striker we all assumed he was after.
It was reported he left the training ground yesterday at about 3.15, I assume about the time the final offer was rejected.
Again I say if this is true:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/462637/Saido-Berahino-West-Brom-Tottenham-transfer-news
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 12:58:15 PM
TP has a shelf life, in a way some will say(eddie wm) they are glad he aint got the money to spend
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 02, 2015, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 12:58:15 PM
TP has a shelf life, in a way some will say they are glad he aint got the money to spend

I don't think we've spent too badly to be honest. My main worry is the gaping holes we haven't addressed in key areas. Would they have been addressed with the Saido money? Who knows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on September 02, 2015, 01:07:57 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on September 02, 2015, 12:50:45 PM
Speak for yourself mate

Its not just me though is it. If you're happy to watch predictable hoof-it-up-the-pitch football then good luck. I'm not. If TP picks a team that encourages a bit more positivity and creativity going forward  he'll have my full support.....win, draw or lose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 04:11:38 PM
Could it possibly be do you think that our failure to land a creative midfielder in the window is a reflection on the fact that the 'creative' type of player may be unwilling to want to play under Pulis and the Pulis way? If I was a flair player in the middle of the park then I'd run a mile if Pulis made an approach for me. Just a thought!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 02, 2015, 04:24:42 PM
Players play for money not coaches. Pay a player enough they will play for anyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 04:32:24 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 02, 2015, 04:24:42 PM
Players play for money not coaches. Pay a player enough they will play for anyone.

I'm not disputing that money talks but I was thinking more along the lines of if Pulis and a potential signing sat down and Pulis was attempting to 'sell' the club to the potential target then it is likely that the player might not like all that he sees or hears if he has done his homework on the Albion 'style' under Pulis. Say the player has had a similar offer from 2 or 3 clubs of equal standard in terms of league positions? Is it not possibly a case that the player could be swayed against signing for the Albion due to our apparent negative style of play?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2015, 04:34:51 PM
Historically TP has steel central and flair out wide. Lack of creativity there should surprise no one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 04:40:49 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2015, 04:34:51 PM
Historically TP has steel central and flair out wide. Lack of creativity there should surprise no one.

But we have NOBODY capable of playing a decent ball out to our so called 'flair' players out wide. Surely to God, even the most negative of managers must realise there is the basic requirement for somebody of above average ability to actually create something? I genuinely feel we potentially lose out on some of our targets because of Pulis and his reputation and his current style at the Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 02, 2015, 04:45:13 PM
were we not linked with a young dutch / belgian player who stated he did not want to play pulis type football?


Citation required !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 02, 2015, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 02, 2015, 04:45:13 PM
were we not linked with a young dutch / belgian player who stated he did not want to play pulis type football?


Citation required !
dennis Praet. Went to Wolfsburg as De Bruyne's replacement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on September 02, 2015, 05:00:39 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 04:40:49 PM
But we have NOBODY capable of playing a decent ball out to our so called 'flair' players out wide. Surely to God, even the most negative of managers must realise there is the basic requirement for somebody of above average ability to actually create something? I genuinely feel we potentially lose out on some of our targets because of Pulis and his reputation and his current style at the Albion.

I agree.....with the possible exception of Brunt. I'm hoping that Evans will contribute to the start of moves through our midfield in a more positive manner than Olsson et al.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: danwatson on September 02, 2015, 05:02:53 PM
I think we all would have loved for him to get more players in himself included but its a slow process to rebuild a squad. He's started logically at the back to make sure we aren't losing games.

People who are saying it wasn't a priority are kidding themselves as that defence was getting older and slower by the game. We now have a basis to work from and I wouldn't be surprised to see much more forward thinking signings with the increase in finances. We need to be in this division next year and by buying known quantities in important positions we are trying to ensure just that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 02, 2015, 07:11:54 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2015, 04:34:51 PM
Historically TP has steel central and flair out wide. Lack of creativity there should surprise no one.
Know what you mean but hasn't Pulis himself indicated that he wanted a more creative influence in the middle ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 07:37:54 PM
Quote from: Adder on September 02, 2015, 07:11:54 PM
Know what you mean but hasn't Pulis himself indicated that he wanted a more creative influence in the middle ?

Yes, I believe he has said that which is what made me ask the initial question earlier. Is the Pulis factor a reason why we could possibly be missing out on targets? It's either that or more of the usual s**t from our esteemed chairman and recruitment team of which Pulis is now a big part of don't forget. I personally think that given the choice between matching offers, players with any great deal of technical ability would choose to sign for a rival as opposed to want to play under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 02, 2015, 08:58:37 PM
We are well set up now to bring in what we need in January, with the rest of the squad looking stronger.  Pulis knows exactly what he needs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 02, 2015, 09:16:58 PM
Every club has targets,but they don't get them all, we are no different. If it is the Pulis factor then it means that the targets probably don't feel like hard work or are only looking for a last payday.
Nice to see us signing players from Man United and Liverpool now instead of Grimsby.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 02, 2015, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 02, 2015, 08:58:37 PM
We are well set up now to bring in what we need in January, with the rest of the squad looking stronger.  Pulis knows exactly what he needs.

If we can't manage to get them in the summer then we have no chance in January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: divinewind on September 02, 2015, 09:16:58 PM
Every club has targets,but they don't get them all, we are no different. If it is the Pulis factor then it means that the targets probably don't feel like hard work or are only looking for a last payday.
Nice to see us signing players from Man United and Liverpool now instead of Grimsby.

You're probably not far off the mark with that. Isn't that just the trouble with modern day British football though? Hard work seems to override talent and flair. No wonder there is no excitement and characters in the game now. Best, Marsh, Worthington, Bowles, players of that ilk wouldn't be signed now as they didn't always 'work hard'. It's a crying shame. What has happened to our sport and entertainment?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 02, 2015, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 02, 2015, 09:23:35 PM
If we can't manage to get them in the summer then we have no chance in January.

Sorry, there's no logic to that statement.  Yes its harder in January, and yes we might have to recruit from abroad rather than from in England, but the PL remains the holy grail for many players around the world
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 02, 2015, 10:51:02 PM
Or a realist, as I prefer to call it.

I was at Twerton, so I know what it's like when things get tough - this isn't tough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on September 02, 2015, 10:51:02 PM
Or a realist, as I prefer to call it.

I was at Twerton, so I know what it's like when things get tough - this isn't tough.

Yes, I was at Twerton too mate. As s**t as it was, give me those days back any day over this modern day Sky TV, Premier League plastic football. If you want, read back over all my previous posts and I've explained in many threads on here and gave reasons why I long for those days again. The atmosphere and togetherness of the Albion support from the pretty woeful late 80's and throughout the 90's was second to none. I don't want to go over it all again on this thread but it's not as silly thought as it may first appear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 03, 2015, 12:22:58 AM
Quote from: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 11:16:49 PM
Yes, I was at Twerton too mate. As s**t as it was, give me those days back any day over this modern day Sky TV, Premier League plastic football. If you want, read back over all my previous posts and I've explained in many threads on here and gave reasons why I long for those days again. The atmosphere and togetherness of the Albion support from the pretty woeful late 80's and throughout the 90's was second to none. I don't want to go over it all again on this thread but it's not as silly thought as it may first appear.

Sounds like Walsall might be up your street ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on September 03, 2015, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on September 03, 2015, 12:22:58 AM
Sounds like Walsall might be up your street ;)

I know you're saying that tongue-in-cheek, but I agree with Nathan. We're all passionate about albion.....and nobody else matters one jot. But I'm frankly just plain bored nowadays at albion games with the low quality of football, entertainment and general lack of atmosphere. But that's pretty much what I hear from supporters of many other clubs in this modern era.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 03, 2015, 08:46:58 AM
Quote from: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 11:16:49 PM
Yes, I was at Twerton too mate. As s**t as it was, give me those days back any day over this modern day Sky TV, Premier League plastic football. If you want, read back over all my previous posts and I've explained in many threads on here and gave reasons why I long for those days again. The atmosphere and togetherness of the Albion support from the pretty woeful late 80's and throughout the 90's was second to none. I don't want to go over it all again on this thread but it's not as silly thought as it may first appear.
i was there aswell mate and i completely agree with you, i cant explain why but those days were special, i remember standing in the woodman with my mates with big gaps around us getting soaked and some of the s!!!te grounds we went  to sometimes only a few hundred of us, but as you say we were all together as one no matter what, Sadly all that as now gone, you only have to read what people say to each other on here!! sad really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 03, 2015, 08:50:42 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 02, 2015, 10:08:48 PM
Sorry, there's no logic to that statement.  Yes its harder in January, and yes we might have to recruit from abroad rather than from in England, but the PL remains the holy grail for many players around the world

Less players are available and prices are inflated (which we won't pay). Pulis doesn't really do players from abroad and bringing someone new to the country in January isn't ideal as they take too much time to settle. Our January dealings have been pretty poor over the years so I don't really expect things to change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 03, 2015, 08:52:27 AM
I have me mates that I will stick up for to the hilt but I hate how arrogant some of our fans are now, Came close a few times to a royal rumble.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 03, 2015, 11:04:02 AM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 02, 2015, 04:51:03 PM
dennis Praet. Went to Wolfsburg as De Bruyne's replacement.

Yup, thats the one thank you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 03, 2015, 11:15:32 AM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 02, 2015, 04:51:03 PM
dennis Praet. Went to Wolfsburg as De Bruyne's replacement.

Is there actually anything to confirm this or is it just rumours and more rumours ?

Had a good look around theres nothing. It seems he has his eyes set on a bigger club than us and thats nothing to do with Pulis apart from another stick to beat him with.

There is a comment from him  "I want to go to the Premier League, but not that badly.", doesn't mention us, doesn't mention Pulis.
There's a small mention on a Belgian site which translates as:

Dennis Praet not charmed by West Brom

West Bromwich Albion may already have an interest in Dennis Praet, conversely, it is much less the case. Praet saw the club Tony Pulis Monday to work against Manchester City (0-3) and determined that the society would typically be beaten at West Brom. The 'long strokes, fast home' football is technically skilled Praet not exactly a glove. Some sources say that the Aston Villa Tim Sherwood weather would show interest Praet, but in recent weeks Villa did nothing concrete to hear more from him.

No quotes, just the views of whoever wrote it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 03, 2015, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 03, 2015, 11:15:32 AM
Is there actually anything to confirm this or is it just rumours and more rumours ?
No idea, just answered the question about who it was. He didn't come so doesn't matter anyway now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 03, 2015, 11:27:55 AM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 03, 2015, 11:25:04 AM
No idea, just answered the question about who it was. He didn't come so doesn't matter anyway now.

It does really though doesn't it if people are peddling that someone has actually said something that he hasn't.

If it didn't matter then it wouldn't be used as another stick to beat Pulis with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 03, 2015, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 03, 2015, 08:50:42 AM
Less players are available and prices are inflated (which we won't pay). Pulis doesn't really do players from abroad and bringing someone new to the country in January isn't ideal as they take too much time to settle. Our January dealings have been pretty poor over the years so I don't really expect things to change.

Who says we won't pay?  Have you not noticed our recent change in transfer spending?

Was our record signing not just signed from abroad?

Blinkers off please! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 03, 2015, 11:35:25 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 03, 2015, 11:27:55 AM
It does really though doesn't it if people are peddling that someone has actually said something that he hasn't.

If it didn't matter then it wouldn't be used as another stick to beat Pulis with.
Ah, apologies. Thought that was directed at me specifically. I don't know if it's true or not but as a theory it could tie into the fact that he tends to overpay for players. In order to outweigh his negative stereotype, but I think thats rubbish. Even if it's not true people will still use it anyway as a stick.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 03, 2015, 11:39:10 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 03, 2015, 11:30:17 AM
Who says we won't pay?  Have you not noticed our recent change in transfer spending?

Was our record signing not just signed from abroad?

Blinkers off please!
While I agree, Rondon seems to be more a stroke of luck that he became available rather than outright scouting. Also helps having an ex pl manager to ask
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 03, 2015, 11:40:42 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 03, 2015, 11:27:55 AM
It does really though doesn't it if people are peddling that someone has actually said something that he hasn't.

If it didn't matter then it wouldn't be used as another stick to beat Pulis with.

hi,
I said that I thought someone had been quoted as saying this, but I couldn't remember who! and i did ask for a citation BTW

quote
were we not linked with a young dutch / belgian player who stated he did not want to play pulis type football?
Citation required !

Anyway regardless of that, if some fans associate TP with Dour, unattractive football its no great leap to think some players could too, is it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 03, 2015, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: Albionic on September 03, 2015, 11:40:42 AM
hi,
I said that I thought someone had been quoted as saying this, but I couldn't remember who! and i did ask for a citation BTW

quote
were we not linked with a young dutch / belgian player who stated he did not want to play pulis type football?
Citation required !

Anyway regardless of that, if some fans associate TP with Dour, unattractive football its no great leap to think some players could too, is it?

So is it right to associate someone with comments there is nothing to confirm they have said ?

Its seems Praet is more concerned about the club he goes to rather than who he plays for. Wolfsburg the last club to be linked with him.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 03, 2015, 11:44:33 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 03, 2015, 11:43:11 AM
So is it right to associate someone with comments there is nothing to confirm they have said ?

Its seems Praet is more concerned about the club he goes to rather than who he plays for. Wolfsburg the last club to be linked with him.

No, and I didn't I asked a question !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 03, 2015, 12:08:57 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 03, 2015, 11:30:17 AM
Who says we won't pay?  Have you not noticed our recent change in transfer spending?

Was our record signing not just signed from abroad?

Blinkers off please!

Well we weren't prepared to pay for Antonio, Phillips or Sako. There is only 3 we know of. Pulis obviously wanted a 'few more' as he kept quoting but we couldn't get the deals done for whatever reason. We've had weeks to get deals done but still fell short. Condense that into a 4 week window and we'll find it even more difficult. Let's wait and see but unless we offload Saido I can't see any major business being done in January.

As for our record signing being from abroad. That is only the 1 player from the 7 signed. I very much suspect Rondon was a club scouted player as opposed to a Pulis target initially.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on September 03, 2015, 12:14:56 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 02, 2015, 04:51:03 PM
dennis Praet. Went to Wolfsburg as De Bruyne's replacement.

Not according to the following squad sheets.

Wolfsburg minus Praet.

http://int.soccerway.com/teams/germany/vfl-wolfsburg/968/ (http://int.soccerway.com/teams/germany/vfl-wolfsburg/968/)

Anderlecht with Praet.

http://uk.soccerway.com/teams/belgium/royal-sporting-club-anderlecht/215/ (http://uk.soccerway.com/teams/belgium/royal-sporting-club-anderlecht/215/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 07, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
I thought it was a bit surprising the comments he made about JP today. Especially the comment about when Shane Long was sold....


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 11, 2015, 11:16:18 AM
The more I read from him the more I'm convinced he's full of chyte.
Now saying he's glad Berahino stayed after virtually trying to get him out of the door for the team building cash.
Add this to the 'fans will be surprised' shenanigans and he goes down in my estimation every time he opens his mouth.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/09/11/tony-pulis-i-might-start-saido-berahino/?

Also intimating the players have no ambition  ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 11, 2015, 11:25:10 AM
Do you believe everything people say to the press ? sometimes they just play the game and say what they have to, politicians do it day in day out.

I think the "fans will be surprised" comment was said as he expected like most of us Saido to go, more naive than anything given he hadn't had a "proper" West Bromwich Albion transfer window before, we're prepared for it each time, don't think he was.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 11, 2015, 11:29:15 AM
I thought the comment today about the players having little ambition and expectations was nothing short of amazing.

We get a dicking tomorrow and I would say all is not well within the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 11, 2015, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 11, 2015, 11:29:15 AM
I thought the comment today about the players having little ambition and expectations was nothing short of amazing.

We get a dicking tomorrow and I would say all is not well within the club.

I don't think it has been for a long while and won't be a short term fix to sort.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 11, 2015, 11:57:20 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 11, 2015, 11:25:10 AM
Do you believe everything people say to the press ? sometimes they just play the game and say what they have to, politicians do it day in day out.

I think the "fans will be surprised" comment was said as he expected like most of us Saido to go, more naive than anything given he hadn't had a "proper" West Bromwich Albion transfer window before, we're prepared for it each time, don't think he was.

No I don't believe most of the stuff people say to the papers but to say one thing one week then do a 100% turnaround the week after makes him look a very insincere person in my eyes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on September 11, 2015, 11:57:26 AM
Oh for a Roy Hodgson......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 11, 2015, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 11, 2015, 11:29:15 AM
I thought the comment today about the players having little ambition and expectations was nothing short of amazing.

We get a dicking tomorrow and I would say all is not well within the club.
Definitely better left unsaid but I suspect that what he meant was 'I wish we had a few more in the position where they wanted moves to bigger clubs....we all know that Saido is the only one who the top 6 would be remotely interested in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on September 11, 2015, 12:31:54 PM
TP wishes he had another 10 Berahino's. What 10 others with no respect for the club and wanting to get out. He is trying to protect the guilty party again. And was he fined for his twitter outbursts?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 11, 2015, 12:43:03 PM
Pulis is just being a great man-manager nothing more nothing less

What is he supposed to do come out and say sod him he wont play for me again??

I cant stand Berahino but there is no denying he is a quality player and if he sort his head out knuckles down and scores goals for us well then he will only make himself easier to sell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 11, 2015, 12:44:36 PM
Pulis digging out the professionals who go about their daily business at the club without making a song or dance about it and then lauding Berahino, god if this was Alan Irvine...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 11, 2015, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 11, 2015, 11:33:40 AM
I don't think it has been for a long while and won't be a short term fix to sort.

In what respect?  The makeup of the dressing room?   We have had a relatively high turnover of players over the last 12 months and Pulis has had two transfer windows (more than the last two incumbents) so surely any negative elements should have been wheedled out by now? If the rot is long standing then you can only point the finger at the longer serving players such as Foster, Brunt, Morisson, Olsson and McAuley all of whom are generally thought of as decent blokes and good professionals.  No short term fixes for these apparent 'issues' just sounds like an excuse to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on September 11, 2015, 01:09:26 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on September 11, 2015, 12:43:03 PM
Pulis is just being a great man-manager nothing more nothing less

What is he supposed to do come out and say sod him he wont play for me again??

I cant stand Berahino but there is no denying he is a quality player and if he sort his head out knuckles down and scores goals for us well then he will only make himself easier to sell.

Man management is so important in any business/organisation. TP is obviously an excellent one judging by the way he is handling Berahino. Even so, Berahino will be gone by January, which is best for all concerned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 11, 2015, 01:15:49 PM
Nothing wrong with TP's comments, he is just calming down a situation that has been thrust upon him, he would be foolish not to, just a top manager doing his job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 11, 2015, 01:16:22 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 11, 2015, 12:59:38 PM
In what respect?  The makeup of the dressing room?   We have had a relatively high turnover of players over the last 12 months and Pulis has had two transfer windows (more than the last two incumbents) so surely any negative elements should have been wheedled out by now? If the rot is long standing then you can only point the finger at the longer serving players such as Foster, Brunt, Morisson, Olsson and McAuley all of whom are generally thought of as decent blokes and good professionals.  No short term fixes for these apparent 'issues' just sounds like an excuse to me.

Sessegnon, Gamboa, Pocognoli, Anichebe and Olsson were all readily available and the only one of those to have any interest was big Vic from the Championship. You can't sell a player if nobody is willing to buy them.

I also find it strange how you say Foster may be a problem, but also kicked up a fuss when Pulis was trying to replace him with Marshall and then Lindergaard.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on September 11, 2015, 01:16:39 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 11, 2015, 11:16:18 AM
The more I read from him the more I'm convinced he's full of chyte.
Now saying he's glad Berahino stayed after virtually trying to get him out of the door for the team building cash.
Add this to the 'fans will be surprised' shenanigans and he goes down in my estimation every time he opens his mouth.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/09/11/tony-pulis-i-might-start-saido-berahino/?

Also intimating the players have no ambition  ???

So TP is supposed to say to the press
'I think the kid is a bell-end and I was more than happy to sell him to replace him with other players'
I take it you have never managed people otherwise you wouldn't come out with your comments. TP has handled this just fine to try to get the lad integrated back into the team to enable us to sell him in January
As regards his comments about wanting others who had the ambition to play for top 6 clubs, well so do I wish we had them because then we wouldn't be a mid table club. I agree though it may wind a few current players up 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 11, 2015, 01:40:04 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 11, 2015, 11:29:15 AM
I thought the comment today about the players having little ambition and expectations was nothing short of amazing.

We get a dicking tomorrow and I would say all is not well within the club.

He can't be too happy with the way things eventually panned out transfer wise. I guess his dig is at the many players we have who have been here years and are going through the motions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 11, 2015, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 11, 2015, 01:40:04 PM
He can't be too happy with the way things eventually panned out transfer wise. I guess his dig is at the many players we have who have been here years and are going through the motions.

I don't think he's wrong however none have the ability to play at a higher level bar Berahino, I just wouldn't of said it to the world.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 11, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 11, 2015, 12:59:38 PM
In what respect?  The makeup of the dressing room?   We have had a relatively high turnover of players over the last 12 months and Pulis has had two transfer windows (more than the last two incumbents) so surely any negative elements should have been wheedled out by now? If the rot is long standing then you can only point the finger at the longer serving players such as Foster, Brunt, Morisson, Olsson and McAuley all of whom are generally thought of as decent blokes and good professionals.  No short term fixes for these apparent 'issues' just sounds like an excuse to me.

Its just how I see things. Its okay saying everything bad has been weedled out, hard to remove players when no-one wants them and they are sitting on nice contracts.

Decent blokes and pofessionals ? they maybe all that but how do we know what goes in beyond a closed door ?

This club has been drifting along very comfortably for a few years now. You mention Alan irvine, not sure why but he was a resounding success wasn't he ? Pulis is not everyones cup of tea as we keep hearing from the same voices but I trust him more to sort out any underlying issues than I did with Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 11, 2015, 01:53:01 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on September 11, 2015, 01:16:22 PM
Sessegnon, Gamboa, Pocognoli, Anichebe and Olsson were all readily available and the only one of those to have any interest was big Vic from the Championship. You can't sell a player if nobody is willing to buy them.

I also find it strange how you say Foster may be a problem, but also kicked up a fuss when Pulis was trying to replace him with Marshall and then Lindergaard.

I didn't say Foster was a problem, my point was that if problems within our dressing room are inherent and long standing (which I don't actually believe they are) then those who are suggesting this are pointing the finger at longer serving players i.e Foster, GMac, Brunt etc all of whom are thought to be all round 'decent blokes' and therefore I don't believe that these 'issues' exist.






Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 11, 2015, 02:01:21 PM
TP has to at least try to rescue the situation with regard to Berahino he has already got 3 players in his squad who he has pretty much frozen out he can't afford  a fourth. If you look beyond the seemingly obvious suggestion that he wanted to sell Saido then what do you expect him to say?

I am not sure he is "digging out" the other players at the club but I think he could have phrased it better. The sad thing is I'm not sure that tactically there is a place for Saido in Pulisball but the two of them have been pushed into a marriage of convenience until January at least. 

Equally if he wants players who can push for places in the top 6 he needs to sign a few under the age of 25 who are on their way up rather than those who have had a shot at the big time and have been let go particularly by United or even and here's a truly radical idea give one or two of our youngsters a chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 11, 2015, 05:07:08 PM
There is a bit of flexibility to TP - it's not 'Pulisball' all the time. Take the Chelsea game at the end of the season, TP said he fancied Saido's runs to cause Terry + Cahill some problems and Saido opened the scoring and one of those runs brought about the penalty in the second half.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 11, 2015, 08:10:55 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 11, 2015, 12:44:36 PM
Pulis digging out the professionals who go about their daily business at the club without making a song or dance about it and then lauding Berahino, god if this was Alan Irvine...

We have been struggling on the pitch for some time now...if you were under performing yet earning a king's ransom compared to the average man on the street...would you kick up a fuss or sit tight on your pension fund?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 11, 2015, 08:17:13 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on September 11, 2015, 08:10:55 PM
We have been struggling on the pitch for some time now...if you were under performing yet earning a king's ransom compared to the average man on the street...would you kick up a fuss or sit tight on your pension fund?
13th best team in the country 8) ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 11, 2015, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 11, 2015, 08:17:13 PM
13th best team in the country 8) ;)

If only that were true...I would take that until the day I die (plus a cup win)  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 11, 2015, 08:22:32 PM
Not a fan of Pulis tactics whatsoever, but he comes across well as a bloke and I thought his comments in the presser on Saido were very good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 11, 2015, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: botters on September 11, 2015, 12:31:54 PM
TP wishes he had another 10 Berahino's. What 10 others with no respect for the club and wanting to get out. He is trying to protect the guilty party again. And was he fined for his twitter outbursts?

If we had another 10 players of Berahino's ability he wouldn't have to move because we would be a top 6 club ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on September 11, 2015, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on September 11, 2015, 08:31:17 PM
If we had another 10 players of Berahino's ability he wouldn't have to move because we would be a top 6 club ;)
I really don't think he's all that. He had a good season last year and has potential, but he is a long way from the finished article
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 11, 2015, 08:38:47 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on September 11, 2015, 08:31:17 PM
If we had another 10 players of Berahino's ability he wouldn't have to move because we would be a top 6 club ;)

If we had another 10 players with Berahino's attitude then we would be a Championship club  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 11, 2015, 09:11:32 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on September 11, 2015, 08:38:47 PM
If we had another 10 players with Berahino's attitude then we would be a Championship club  ;)

Without Berahino we would definitely be a Championship club. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 11, 2015, 09:30:16 PM
He Pulis is a manager of men.
Anyone who has that experience and done it successfully. Knows what he is trying to achieve.
Not hard really when you think about the situation?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on September 12, 2015, 04:56:48 PM
The worst football I've seen since under Bobby Gould.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on September 12, 2015, 05:00:32 PM

Just watched some of that cr*p on my computer, and the only positive I can see is that I took the decision not to step into the Hawthorns until Pulis has gone.
Utter drivel.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on September 12, 2015, 05:01:15 PM
4 clean sheets in 6 games. Outstanding effort by Pulis & the players.

The goals will come.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 12, 2015, 05:03:45 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on September 12, 2015, 05:01:15 PM
4 clean sheets in 6 games. Outstanding effort by Pulis & the players.

The goals will come.

Indeed, the defense are well on course to 15-20 clean sheets over the full season.

At least you're not bottom of the league conceding goals for fun!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on September 12, 2015, 05:04:49 PM
Awful can't see how fans can be happy with this was more of a struggle to sit here watching the game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 12, 2015, 05:06:01 PM
Pulis has developed a midfield who don't run forward.
If the midfield could take their beds with them, they would be deliriously happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on September 12, 2015, 05:11:53 PM
3 home games against 3 sides who started the season in Europe and are all expected to finish above us, 1 point.

2 away games, 4 points.

Good return.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on September 12, 2015, 05:19:34 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on September 12, 2015, 05:01:15 PM
4 clean sheets in 6 games. Outstanding effort by Pulis & the players.

The goals will come.


How will they come when we can't pass the ball to another player.  How will we score when all our players do is hoof it in the hope that our forward can do something.


There is no method in our play.  The movement is terrible.  Our main threat is a winger who seems to be pulled off after 70 minutes.


I wouldn't be surprised if Pulis concentrates all his efforts in training to get us organised to not concede goals.   Congratulations he has succeeded but how about paying a bit of attention to winning football matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 12, 2015, 05:23:13 PM
He uses the hoofball, and our players have their backs to it.
No wonder it comes back with a vengeance...their players are facing it and can watch the flight.
Why not try passing and running?
Myhill was sluggish in even looking around.
Why isn't he instructed to throw the ball to our player, at least we stand a chance of retaining it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 12, 2015, 05:27:06 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on September 12, 2015, 05:11:53 PM
3 home games against 3 sides who started the season in Europe and are all expected to finish above us, 1 point.

2 away games, 4 points.

Good return.

I was explaining this to my brother, on paper what is happening is fine. 5 points from those 5 games is good and we're 13th. Nice one.

The issue is, it's supposed to be entertainment and it's far far far from entertaining. There's no creation and no running. No thought and no skill. Just block it and hoof it.

Horrible, horrible stuff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on September 12, 2015, 05:27:27 PM
We have played 4 sides who are expected to finish above us in Chelsea, City, Stoke & Southampton & we have gained 4 points.

Only side we've played who is expected to be in and around us is Watford where we got a point.

Calm down lads...  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 12, 2015, 05:32:01 PM
Chelsea have 4 points...3 were a gift from us.
Stoke are bottom and we only beat them, when they had been reduced to 9 men.

We are there for the taking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on September 12, 2015, 05:32:41 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on September 12, 2015, 05:32:01 PM
Chelsea have 4 points...3 were a gift from us.
Stoke are bottom and we only beat them, when they had been reduced to 9 men.

We are there for the taking.

Bit like every other side in the league then
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 12, 2015, 05:38:54 PM
Defence wise we are much better , question is how to we improve attacking wise ?
Both Palace and Stoke scored goals and looked a threat under TP so why don't we ?....what's missing so much we get one maybe two chances a game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on September 12, 2015, 05:40:01 PM
Let's all look Stoke, all these attractive players they have but where are they ?

Bottom of the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 12, 2015, 05:45:28 PM
Ambitionless- can't watch that every week.

I know we need some longevity and stability but that was horrific today.

Writes too many games off before they start. The use of the word dinosaur is appropriate we need to ditch that out dated 442
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on September 12, 2015, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on September 12, 2015, 05:40:01 PM
Let's all look Stoke, all these attractive players they have but where are they ?

Bottom of the league.

Why don't we look at the cr*p that has been played this afternoon, it's definitely not football.... It's a total disgrace....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 12, 2015, 05:47:52 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on September 12, 2015, 05:45:28 PM
Ambitionless- can't watch that every week.

I know we need some longevity and stability but that was horrific today.

Writes too many games off before they start. The use of the word dinosaur is appropriate we need to ditch that out dated 442
We only have 1 up front.
The midfield don't even know where the oppositions' half is.  >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 12, 2015, 05:48:10 PM
Pack your bags Tone and fvck off.

I've had enough of watching this garbage.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 12, 2015, 05:49:09 PM
we have the basics...Get Clarke back.  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 12, 2015, 05:49:33 PM
My eyes have never gone heavy at an Albion game before even after a heavy night. Today I could have easilly curled up on my seat and took 40 winks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on September 12, 2015, 05:50:47 PM
Quote from: labaggies on September 12, 2015, 05:47:34 PM
Why don't we look at the cr*p that has been played this afternoon, it's definitely not football.... It's a total disgrace....
agree fully never been so bored in my life
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 12, 2015, 06:18:11 PM
There has to be more to football, there just has to be.

We are in our 6th premier league season, if it was our 1st, 2nd, maybe even 3rd i could understand the caution a bit but this is ridiculous.

Pulis has been in charge 9 and half months now, he has had 2 x transfer windows, he has signed 9 players, this is his squad and he was already inheriting some good proven players - Berahino, MacAuley, Brunt, Morrison, Foster, Myhill, not a bunch of muppets.

I wasnt expecting overnight success, but i did expect much better than been served now, every game you can look for excuses if you want them why its a good point but we showed no ambition today at home vs a Southampton team that will be midtable at best, they fell away towards the end of last season and not started special this.

We are picking up results but its just so tedious and boring, we arent a part time non league outfit, our squad is filled with international footballers earning thousands a week and so surely they can be coached to pass it to somebody in the same colour shirt and try and be creative?!

Both my nephews have attended each home game this season, they have attended plenty in the past too, yet they were offered free tickets for the Everton game, one said he would prefer to play 6 a side with his mates (a 20 minute game) the other didnt even give an excuse, he just said he couldnt cope with that boredom again and would find something better to do, surely football shouldnt do that to you.

I like Pulis as a bloke but if breaking news tonight said he had left it would not bother me in the slightest, i think i would actually be happy if he did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 12, 2015, 06:33:10 PM
It was entirely predictable the standard 4-4-2 with virtually none of the personnel to make it work reduced to lumping long balls in the general direction of the forwards which were generally mopped up with ease by the Southampton back four. It is not working it won't work but the coach won't change it.

Before I left for the game I was watching Everton on BT and it was really difficult to drag myself away and go to the Hawthorns I have NEVER felt like that it is just so utterly joyless watching us play under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 12, 2015, 06:52:42 PM
And to think people shouted me down.

I wont watch that sh1te. More people turning week by week.

If people are happy about this style of play then they seriously need their heads looking at.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sarniabaggie on September 12, 2015, 06:53:28 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 12, 2015, 05:48:10 PM
Pack your bags Tone and fvck off.

I've had enough of watching this garbage.

Nail on head, LTB, at least I don't have the displeasure of having to pay to watch this tripe.  Can not bear to even watch MOD..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jharman292 on September 12, 2015, 06:53:43 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on September 12, 2015, 06:18:11 PM
There has to be more to football, there just has to be.

We are in our 6th premier league season, if it was our 1st, 2nd, maybe even 3rd i could understand the caution a bit but this is ridiculous.

Pulis has been in charge 9 and half months now, he has had 2 x transfer windows, he has signed 9 players, this is his squad and he was already inheriting some good proven players - Berahino, MacAuley, Brunt, Morrison, Foster, Myhill, not a bunch of muppets.

I wasnt expecting overnight success, but i did expect much better than been served now, every game you can look for excuses if you want them why its a good point but we showed no ambition today at home vs a Southampton team that will be midtable at best, they fell away towards the end of last season and not started special this.

We are picking up results but its just so tedious and boring, we arent a part time non league outfit, our squad is filled with international footballers earning thousands a week and so surely they can be coached to pass it to somebody in the same colour shirt and try and be creative?!

Both my nephews have attended each home game this season, they have attended plenty in the past too, yet they were offered free tickets for the Everton game, one said he would prefer to play 6 a side with his mates (a 20 minute game) the other didnt even give an excuse, he just said he couldnt cope with that boredom again and would find something better to do, surely football shouldnt do that to you.

I like Pulis as a bloke but if breaking news tonight said he had left it would not bother me in the slightest, i think i would actually be happy if he did.

My thoughts entirely. Whilst i wont be holding up any "TP OUT" banners, i certainly wouldnt be dissapointed to see him go, as i just dont see anything changing.

He is making these desicions, the decision to play 2 strikers when it clearly isnt working, to not replace Dawson and Brunt as full backs in the summer even though they are both out of their depth, to continue to play Gardner who would be at home in the Championship, to not spend anything on a decent left winger, to play 2 CM's who are devoid of any sort of pace. These are his decisions and are the reasons behind the dire football that is on show.

People keep telling me we have improved since last season, how? We finished with Dawson, Brunt, Gardner and McClean as our wide players, how is that in any way better? We are 9 months into his reign and i still dont think he has a clue what he is doing, how can a good manager continue to make such poor decisions week in, week out.

The football will not change and the fans will grow more and more frustrated. I dont care about the results, points or safety, it is a miserable time to be a WBA fan. I pay to be entertained and watch my club at least make an attempt to win a football match.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on September 12, 2015, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: jharman292 on September 12, 2015, 06:53:43 PM
My thoughts entirely. Whilst i wont be holding up any "TP OUT" banners, i certainly wouldnt be dissapointed to see him go, as i just dont see anything changing.

He is making these desicions, the decision to play 2 strikers when it clearly isnt working, to not replace Dawson and Brunt as full backs in the summer even though they are both out of their depth, to continue to play Gardner who would be at home in the Championship, to not spend anything on a decent left winger, to play 2 CM's who are devoid of any sort of pace. These are his decisions and are the reasons behind the dire football that is on show.

People keep telling me we have improved since last season, how? We finished with Dawson, Brunt, Gardner and McClean as our wide players, how is that in any way better? We are 9 months into his reign and i still dont think he has a clue what he is doing, how can a good manager continue to make such poor decisions week in, week out.

The football will not change and the fans will grow more and more frustrated. I dont care about the results, points or safety, it is a miserable time to be a WBA fan. I pay to be entertained and watch my club at least make an attempt to win a football match.

I do think that Pulis knows what he is doing he proved that last season and will do so this season. He sees it as a results business and TP without doubt gets results. I don't know why we did not know that the football would not be attractive, or perhaps we would like to have Irvine back where we could not score goals and also shipped them in regularly. Interesting also what the sky sports Saturday experts said about Stoke that under Hughes they are more expansive but easier to beat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ahandpatsy on September 12, 2015, 07:49:11 PM
tick tick tick

time is running out Tone

problem is when this dinosaur (Pulis) eventually pi55es off it will take years and/or a whole load of cash (see Stoke) to sort it out

he may well take us down the season after he leaves because the new coach will try at least to play some football but he will not have the players



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 12, 2015, 07:58:22 PM
he's had 30+ million to spend and this is tones idea of football. I've got the same opinion that I had with Irvine, didn't want him and still don't want him. this bloke will empty the hawthorns given time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 12, 2015, 08:01:33 PM
Don't get some fans I really don't.

Firstly I'm not a pulis 'fan' I'm an Albion fan.
Seen plenty of entertaining games in my time
But seen a load of tripe too.
I'd love us to play free flowing attacking football whilst keeping
It tight at the back, but guess what so would every
Other team.
Fact is under hodgson and Irvine we were not great either.

I remember loads of times bewildered how we lost to stoke yet
Somehow jealous of their ability to grind out results.

We are in are results based industry not an entertainment one.

Peace is aware of the abundance of money being in the
Premier will bring next season .

We simply have to be there.

Fact is. With pulis we have a huge opportunity to be there. He I believe is just a stop gap to help get us established and secure for next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 12, 2015, 08:04:20 PM
Quote from: ahandpatsy on September 12, 2015, 07:49:11 PM
tick tick tick

time is running out Tone

problem is when this dinosaur (Pulis) eventually pi55es off it will take years and/or a whole load of cash (see Stoke) to sort it out

he may well take us down the season after he leaves because the new coach will try at least to play some football but he will not have the players
Two arguments
1) Stoke are now bottom without him having transformed their squad
2) we will be safe but bloody boring

This is why I gave up my season ticket,I won't be back whilst TP is there,but I'm clever enough to understand why we took him on..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on September 12, 2015, 08:05:17 PM
Quote from: MICKYMEL on September 12, 2015, 08:01:33 PM
With pulis we have a huge opportunity to be there. He I believe is just a stop gap to help get us established and secure for next year.

with Pulis we will be there, he will get us enough results to keep us up and I totally get why he is in charge and as a Albion fan I like Pulis being there because he will keep us up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 12, 2015, 08:05:54 PM
Quote from: MICKYMEL on September 12, 2015, 08:01:33 PM
Don't get some fans I really don't.

Firstly I'm not a pulis 'fan' I'm an Albion fan.
Seen plenty of entertaining games in my time
But seen a load of tripe too.
I'd love us to play free flowing attacking football whilst keeping
It tight at the back, but guess what so would every
Other team.
Fact is under hodgson and Irvine we were not great either.

I remember loads of times bewildered how we lost to stoke yet
Somehow jealous of their ability to grind out results.

We are in are results based industry not an entertainment one.

Peace is aware of the abundance of money being in the
Premier will bring next season .

We simply have to be there.

Fact is. With pulis we have a huge opportunity to be there. He I believe is just a stop gap to help get us established and secure for next year.

Much needed reality check amongst the wave of panic that appears to have hit the Hawthorns today.

Keep calm and carry on Baggies...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 12, 2015, 08:08:53 PM
Quote from: MICKYMEL on September 12, 2015, 08:01:33 PM
Don't get some fans I really don't.

Firstly I'm not a pulis 'fan' I'm an Albion fan.
Seen plenty of entertaining games in my time
But seen a load of tripe too.
I'd love us to play free flowing attacking football whilst keeping
It tight at the back, but guess what so would every
Other team.
Fact is under hodgson and Irvine we were not great either.

I remember loads of times bewildered how we lost to stoke yet
Somehow jealous of their ability to grind out results.

We are in are results based industry not an entertainment one.

Peace is aware of the abundance of money being in the
Premier will bring next season .

We simply have to be there.

Fact is. With pulis we have a huge opportunity to be there. He I believe is just a stop gap to help get us established and secure for next year.
shouldn't an attempt at least be made to try to entertain supporters who pay a lot of money, what happens when we don't get results or entertainment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on September 12, 2015, 08:11:03 PM
Top post Micky Mel couldnt have put it better myself.

Pulis and Roy are very similar in the way they value organisation and results over entertainment.

Saying that today was not good but 5 games played 1 win 2 draws and 2 losses is not a bad start at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 12, 2015, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: Dudleylad on September 12, 2015, 08:11:03 PM
Top post Micky Mel couldnt have put it better myself.

Pulis and Roy are very similar in the way they value organisation and results over entertainment.

Saying that today was not good but 5 games played 1 win 2 draws and 2 losses is not a bad start at all.

Indeed...quick analysis of the season so far:

2 defeats against Manchester City and Chelsea (not going to lose any sleep over that)

1 fortuitous win against 9 man Stoke (not too bothered as they have moved onto the next level and are playing some really entertaining expansive stuff - despite being lower than us in the table)

2 goalless draws against Watford and Southampton (Saints have moved onto the next level and qualified for European competition this season playing some really entertaining expansive stuff - and Watford who have made a decent start to the season and who actually beat Swansea with 10 men, yes, Swansea, the team who have moved onto the next level playing some really entertaining expansive stuff)

Is 5 points from those five games playing some dour, negative, uninspiring stuff really that bad?

Careful what you wish for... :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 12, 2015, 08:32:54 PM
Thing is is swap nearly all our team for theirs. The new centre half for them was brilliant today, mane when he come on, radical dangerous, wanyama etc.
face up to reality will you. These clubs have bigger budgets and better players than us.
Unfortunately
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sammyg on September 12, 2015, 08:45:18 PM
He will keep us up, that's all we need for this season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 12, 2015, 08:47:29 PM
Exactly sammyg , he is a stop gap. Grin and bear it for now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sammyg on September 12, 2015, 08:49:49 PM
Quote from: MICKYMEL on September 12, 2015, 08:47:29 PM
Exactly sammyg , he is a stop gap. Grin and bear it for now

I actually don't mind pulis in charge Micky, I feel he will do well for us , solid at the back and I think when we have clicked and everyone is familiar with each other, we will see a better team going forward
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 12, 2015, 08:55:51 PM
Quote from: MICKYMEL on September 12, 2015, 08:47:29 PM
Exactly sammyg , he is a stop gap. Grin and bear it for now

I don't think he is. As long as Pulis keeps us us up without much of a struggle the job is his as long as he wants it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on September 12, 2015, 09:16:14 PM
Though today was dire, I do wonder if some of you lot remember losing at home 5 1 to Crewe and other dreadful results in the mid 90s. We have been spoilt in recent years with TOmo and RDM but we in a results business. There is more chance pulis walking than peace sacking him as peace knows he gets results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 12, 2015, 10:02:28 PM
Quote from: Topman on September 12, 2015, 09:16:14 PM
Though today was dire, I do wonder if some of you lot remember losing at home 5 1 to Crewe and other dreadful results in the mid 90s. We have been spoilt in recent years with TOmo and RDM but we in a results business. There is more chance pulis walking than peace sacking him as peace knows he gets results.
oh I remember alright, I also remember beating man utd 2-5 away in the glorious 70s and 80s, its easy to look back at the bad times and forgetting the good times when it suits but the here and now in entertainment value is shyte.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: richjonawba on September 12, 2015, 10:13:53 PM
Think everyone should take a look at the rest of the premier league, I've watched a lot of games this season, I'd say I have seen only two or three MAX that have actually been entertaining. United and Liverpool were as awful as we were today for 45 mins earlier, Chelsea have been awful all season, Southampton were as bad as us today. Yet people expect us to be playing champagne football and winning games? These same people I'm guessing would be moaning next season when we were relegated and playing champagne football languishing in the middle of  the Championship.

Pulis will keep us up and I'm sure as the season goes on we will become more of an attacking threat, a club like us should always put defence first in this league, its been proven time and time again what happens when you don't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 12, 2015, 10:16:01 PM
I dont think its panic or hysteria, i think as we in our 6th season in the Premier league, with a team full of internationals earning millions, i dont think its too much to expect to show ambition to win a home against a team that will likely finish midtable and who havent started the season well.

I dont expect us to win the league or make the top 4, even the europa league we be a massive achievement but with the money we have spent i do expect us to be able to pass the ball to our own team and do better than whacking it up  in the air and sucking the life out of games.

Last five months (not 1 or 2 games, 5 months) of last season was the time  to stabilise, backs to the wall, get results however they came, this season we started on 0 points same as everyone else, werent playing catchup and yet we are adopting an even more negative approach, i just dont get it.

I respect Pulis for last season, i dont necessarily even want him sacked (though wouldnt bother me if he was) but there are another 33 league games of the season and if they follow the same path as the first 6 league and cup games, i think it will be one of the most boring depressing seasons ever and with the players we have, it doesnt have to be that way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 12, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: sammyg on September 12, 2015, 08:49:49 PM
I actually don't mind pulis in charge Micky, I feel he will do well for us , solid at the back and I think when we have clicked and everyone is familiar with each other, we will see a better team going forward

Is the way I see it as well, apart from Berahino and Morrison, every other attacking player is new, we have to allow time to gel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 12, 2015, 10:25:35 PM
Maybe it was a one off but :

There were a lot of empty seats that are normally occupied in the area I sit in the East stand .

Didn't even have to queue for a drink at 245 pm

Half time was the easiest toilet break I have had in a long time no queues whatsoever.

I like Pulis but he has to understand the passing of the ball and movement around it has got to get better .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on September 12, 2015, 10:39:22 PM
I think most of you are kidding yourselves it will get any better,these guys have been playing football all there lives,you don't need to click to pass a ball to each other or find movement for a pass,its the tactics that are rigid and some players playing outta position.
I was going to give TP a chance till the end of the year,but think he has revealed his stance on how he is going to play for most of this season,its embarrassing and totally boring.
Compare this to our other negative Manager a Mr Hodgson,he had hardly any money but soon changed the way we was performing,sometimes it wasn't pretty but at least we had an attacking threat from breakaway's etc.
I am not asking for expansive sexy football,although it would be nice,I just don't want to watch this week in week out,I bet most of you used to moan about when TP bought his Stoke sides to play us,this side now is nowhere near as nasty and dangerous as his old Stoke team used to be.
Things need to change fast as fans will start talking with there feet and stay away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 12, 2015, 10:42:11 PM
We are still very early in the season. We had some cracking games under Pulis last year at home. I'm concerned with our away tactics especially with Villa coming up as I don't want to see us put men behind the ball and be ineffective on the counter which I suspect may happen. Pleased with the points total though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on September 12, 2015, 10:55:49 PM
Quote from: BB74 on September 12, 2015, 08:55:51 PM
I don't think he is. As long as Pulis keeps us us up without much of a struggle the job is his as long as he wants it.
People will endure Pulis short- term ,however we have always been renowned and synonymous for playing good football.True supporters would never be indoctrinated in to Pulis ideology of football.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 12, 2015, 10:57:55 PM
Quote from: baggiecarl on September 12, 2015, 10:55:49 PM
People will endure Pulis short- term ,however we have always been renowned and synonymous for playing good football.True supporters would never be indoctrinated in to Pulis ideology of football.

Not really. About five years worth in the 70's/80's and then a couple of years under Mowbray?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on September 12, 2015, 10:58:50 PM
I think you need to decide if you'll be happy with staying up late to watch motd every week, as they never put boring nil nils on early.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on September 12, 2015, 10:59:50 PM
One thing is certain we wont need to redevelope the Halfords and turn it into a +30k capacity under Pulis.  Fans will leave in droves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 12, 2015, 11:01:41 PM
Just heard his post match interview , TP called our possession and movement awful today.
At least he isn't trying to kid us or anything , his Stoke and Palace sides attacked much better than this so I'm hoping he can fix this and make us better to watch.
As annoyed as I was 2nd half I can see this isn't an easy fix , trouble is Pulis has to change a few things himself
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on September 12, 2015, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: BB74 on September 12, 2015, 10:57:55 PM
Not really. About five years worth in the 70's/80's and then a couple of years under Mowbray?
Our history started before the 70's ,would you believe .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 12, 2015, 11:11:11 PM
We must be bad. Even Chelsea have beaten us.

Joking apart, I've never been a fan of Pulis and while as a guy he seems ok and I admire his honesty, it is no fluke that we play the way we do.

We are now known for the way we play and it hurts when I watch us play. Very poor, uninspiring and soporific. After 5 mins today you could see what the rest of the match was going to be like. But we have invested heavily, we have good players, there is no excuse and therefore these performances are down to Pulis and Pulis only. He selects the players. He doesn't pick Sess, he doesn't pick Gnabry, Morrison on the bench ... the list goes on.He sticks with our poorest players -Mclean and Gardner.

Its just a really depressing state of affairs and I'm sad to say that I have already chosen not to go to games this year because I'm not willing to spend £300 per match to travel to a home game to watch us defend a nil nil.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on September 12, 2015, 11:31:26 PM
Can I just ask how is it Pulis fault our players can't pass too each other? Even simple passes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 12, 2015, 11:36:59 PM
Quote from: Webby on September 12, 2015, 11:31:26 PM
Can I just ask how is it Pulis fault our players can't pass too each other? Even simple passes.

Because those he inherited weren't as bad under Mowbray, Di Matteo, Clarke, and those that he bought weren't as bad at United, Sunderland etc. As for the rest, well they don't get picked do they.

Its a real bad case of blinkers if you think Pulis doesn't have a part to play here. lack of movement means no options which means goofball. Just like Stoke. What did you honestly expect when he came here?   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2015, 11:38:34 PM
Quote from: Webby on September 12, 2015, 11:31:26 PM
Can I just ask how is it Pulis fault our players can't pass too each other? Even simple passes.

Seems to have been an issue for a while, the players names change, the head coaches change but passing still seems an issue along with shooting.

Had someone not far from me today everytime a player passed it to no-one or failed to control it was all "f&&ki& hell Pulis", I must have missed something as I thought he was on the sideline.

He's tried to do the right thing and get the backline sorted first, yes its boring but its no good having to score at least two or three every game to even draw. Things take time and with us having to try and move players out before we can bring them ina ll the while due to the budget it has to be done bit by bit. Hopefully he will have us solid and then move on for someone to take over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 12, 2015, 11:40:25 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2015, 11:38:34 PM
Seems to have been an issue for a while, the players names change, the head coaches change but passing still seems an issue along with shooting.

Had someone not far from me today everytime a player passed it to no-one or failed to control it was all "f&&ki& hell Pulis", I must have missed something as I thought he was on the sideline.

He's tried to do the right thing and get the backline sorted first, yes its boring but its no good having to score at least two or three every game to even draw. Things take time and with us having to try and move players out before we can bring them ina ll the while due to the budget it has to be done bit by bit. Hopefully he will have us solid and then move on for someone to take over.

Disagree Oldbury. We were passing the ball way better under Irvine.Admittedly to no effect, but we could pass better then and movement was far better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2015, 11:41:09 PM
Quote from: frazzle on September 12, 2015, 11:36:59 PM
Because those he inherited weren't as bad under Mowbray, Di Matteo, Clarke, and those that he bought weren't as bad at United, Sunderland etc. As for the rest, well they don't get picked do they.

Its a real bad case of blinkers if you think Pulis doesn't have a part to play here. lack of movement means no options which means goofball. Just like Stoke. What did you honestly expect when he came here?

Olsson and McAuley have hoofed it since they've been here, not exactly Pulis fault is it. Evans came in today and his passes most of the time actually went where they were supposed to, Olsson came on and hoofed it each time.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2015, 11:43:14 PM
Quote from: frazzle on September 12, 2015, 11:40:25 PM
Disagree Oldbury. We were passing the ball way better under Irvine.Admittedly to no effect, but we could pass better then and movement was far better.

Thats fine, you see it differently. Our passing has too often been poor for too long, the movement issue is down to those on the pitch surely. Even when we have a throw in its a struggle for someone to find space, not sure how that falls down to the manager, its a player who has to make the effort.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 12, 2015, 11:49:25 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2015, 11:43:14 PM
Thats fine, you see it differently. Our passing has too often been poor for too long, the movement issue is down to those on the pitch surely. Even when we have a throw in its a struggle for someone to find space, not sure how that falls down to the manager, its a player who has to make the effort.

Possibly, but I would argue that Pulis' strict defensive approach means that the players don't have the flexibility to move for the ball. Our defensive positioning is really well drilled, but that means players don't want to move too far away from those positions in case we lose the ball. For me, this is backed up by his insistence in playing the Gardners and Mcleans, and sticking with the midfield of Fletcher and Yacob, instead of playing some creative players.

He did of course try something different, but he did that against the champions, so is unlikely to do it again.

Why we don't go to 4231 I don't know, as that's when we look better.

Not one encouraging performance so far this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on September 12, 2015, 11:51:07 PM
Oldbury I agree with some of the stuff you said,but Pulis picks the same midfield players almost every match,Sess or Morrison are our most creative midfielders imo,but get overlooked for Gardner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 12, 2015, 11:52:44 PM
And while this is maybe an outdated, romantic view, why do we go to football? To be entertained. To feel proud of being part of something. To see something that gets us off our seat. Our players looking to win a game for the fans. At the moment it doesn't feel like this at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2015, 11:56:22 PM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on September 12, 2015, 11:51:07 PM
Oldbury I agree with some of the stuff you said,but Pulis picks the same midfield players almost every match,Sess or Morrison are our most creative midfielders imo,but get overlooked for Gardner.

Couldn't understand Gardner in for Morrison today. Sess I think is too unrelaible maybe for Pulis but should be on the bench each week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on September 12, 2015, 11:56:33 PM
It also makes for less of an atmosphere frazzle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on September 12, 2015, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2015, 11:56:22 PM
Couldn't understand Gardner in for Morrison today. Sess I think is too unrelaible maybe for Pulis but should be on the bench each week.
I hate to knock our players,but what does Gardner actually do to get in the team,least Sess has a bit of pace to actually catch players and try a tackle,also is hard to play against due to his flair and again pace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 13, 2015, 12:01:09 AM
Quote from: frazzle on September 12, 2015, 11:52:44 PM
And while this is maybe an outdated, romantic view, why do we go to football? To be entertained. To feel proud of being part of something. To see something that gets us off our seat. Our players looking to win a game for the fans. At the moment it doesn't feel like this at all.

I've questioned why I go for a long while now. This might be the last season I bother going away from home (said that for the last 3 years though), not down to Pulis but just down to Premier League football in general. I really envy the likes of Walsall and Accrington for example, don't expect much but get the odd season of something enjoyable. For us at our level its just stale, boring and repetitive.

Puis is ideal for the current owners as he guarantees 13th-17th place each season. We can't afford the outlay to take us to a European challenging place and can't afford to risk the relegation and loss of money that follows especially now its gone to an even more stupid level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 13, 2015, 12:02:11 AM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on September 12, 2015, 11:59:01 PM
I hate to knock our players,but what does Gardner actually do to get in the team,least Sess has a bit of pace to actually catch players and try a tackle,also is hard to play against due to his flair and again pace.

To be fair I thought Gardner did okay today but still should have been replaced for Gnabry for the last 15 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 13, 2015, 12:19:39 AM
Quote from: Foster#1 on September 12, 2015, 05:01:15 PM
4 clean sheets in 6 games. Outstanding effort by Pulis & the players.

The goals will come.

Being a bit generous there aren't you ;D. You've overlooked being unable to score against a Division 1 team at home and playing against 9 men for most of the game against Stoke.

Let's hope the goals will come but does it mean waiting until the January transfer window? We have managed just 3 goals, one against the 9 men Stoke team and 2 against Chelsea, a team clearly struggling this season and again went down to 10 men.

If Pulis is intentionally or effectively setting us up for draws in every game then we will be dicing with relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 12:34:56 AM
He's doing the bare minimum required at the minute. The problem isn't players out of position or the wingers. All our attacking and possession problems stem from Fletcher and Yacob. Extremely reliable positionally and in the tackle but abject footballers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 13, 2015, 12:38:37 AM
Quickest way to fall to sleep ?watch pulis footbal but then Gain I'm not sure what we aim for ? Survival is such a weak target for many folks.

Pulis is doing the job required.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 13, 2015, 12:43:07 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 12:34:56 AM
He's doing the bare minimum required at the minute. The problem isn't players out of position or the wingers. All our attacking and possession problems stem from Fletcher and Yacob. Extremely reliable positionally and in the tackle but abject footballers.

For me Yacob is the better player and contributes more but Fletcher is the captain. Pulis will find it hard to drop either but we can't really accommodate both. Well we can because hoofing it to Rondon, set pieces and the odd bit off good wing play will get us enough goals. Will be boring as hell though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 12:44:12 AM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 13, 2015, 12:43:07 AM
For me Yacob is the better player and contributes more but Fletcher is the captain. Pulis will find it hard to drop either but we can't really accommodate both. Well we can because hoofing it to Rondon, set pieces and the odd bit off good wing play will get us enough goals. Will be boring as hell though.

I quite agree he won't change it. We're stuck with Fletcher for the duration unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 13, 2015, 12:46:45 AM
I'll say it again though, before Pulis we had 3 managers in 2 years, which is not sustainable in the Premiership and would have eventually seen us relegated.

For arguments sake, lets say he got sacked tomorrow and someone like Bilic came in, would people genuinely be happy? Because it's another high-risk, gamble on another unknown manager - just like the last three managers were. In fact, in the history of our entire Premiership stay, the only manager who has consistently stabilised us was Hodgson, who was not high-risk - and right now the only trusted manager who is jobless is Sam Allardyce, whose style is quite similar to that of Pulis.

So, it's a serious question, would you really risk sacking Pulis for the hope of an improvement, and further de-stabilising the club? I think even if you do hate his football to the guts, you have to give him until the end of the season for the sake of stability, because otherwise it's another unknown manager who will no doubt end in tears.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 13, 2015, 08:42:56 AM
With Pilis in charge I think we will slowly turn into the next Fulham/Bolton/Wigan
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 13, 2015, 08:50:04 AM
Quote from: frazzle on September 12, 2015, 11:49:25 PM
Possibly, but I would argue that Pulis' strict defensive approach means that the players don't have the flexibility to move for the ball. Our defensive positioning is really well drilled, but that means players don't want to move too far away from those positions in case we lose the ball. For me, this is backed up by his insistence in playing the Gardners and Mcleans, and sticking with the midfield of Fletcher and Yacob, instead of playing some creative players.

He did of course try something different, but he did that against the champions, so is unlikely to do it again.

Why we don't go to 4231 I don't know, as that's when we look better.

Not one encouraging performance so far this season.

Your point about the defensive shape and flexibility from this when we get the ball is correct . To be able to play through the lines quickly and efficiently means the guy playing in the hole has to have a lot of movement and energy . Yesterday we had Lambert who looks like he would have a problem running to catch a bus.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 13, 2015, 09:10:45 AM
Quote from: Webby on September 12, 2015, 11:31:26 PM
Can I just ask how is it Pulis fault our players can't pass too each other? Even simple passes.
Isn't he head coach? What is he coaching?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 13, 2015, 09:52:01 AM
I think Jacko got it right when he said we are doing the bare minimum, problem is this season i am not sure our bare minimum is enough to stay up.

The newly promoted sides look better than previous years, they try and attack and score which gives them a fighting chance, Sunderland and us look the two poorest teams.

Players are going backwards, i think he is a helmet for the way he went about it but i can quite see why Berahino wants out, he is a goalscorer and i dont think he has scored a goal since start of March when we played Villa (i may be wrong) yes he has missed a few chances but we dont exactly create loads and play him wide. Fletcher played in very successful Manchester United teams, yet under us his actual playing contribution is minimal, the game just bypasses him (good captain though) and the sad thing is it doesnt have to be that way.

Nobody is saying lets go gungho, but some ambition surely isnt a bad thing, we have played half decent for about 45 mins v Chelsea this season and that is out of 6 league and cup games, its not good enough.

I have been going since the mid 80's so i have seen probably the worst Albion teams in our history, but the standard of the players then meant thats why it was, they were poor,  this group should be able to do better than sucking the life out of games and playing for draws v similar teams.

As posts show i am quite passionate about this as Matchday should be an experience, that walk to the ground, a beer, few nerves, the rollercoaster of the game, at the moment i feel flat, usually after international breaks cant wait for the next premier league game but yesterday just couldnt care less and then when i saw the team just felt any sort of enthusiasm for the game just go.

Last season we ground out results, had some shockers but also had some very positive performances,  i was apprehensive about Pulis as felt we would be very Stoke (ish) but saw signs last season that maybe we wouldnt, this season is the opposite. If he keeps us up this way then he will stay here, as long as we are in the top flight i think the job is his, but from a fans perspective, there has to be more to football than what we offer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on September 13, 2015, 10:14:48 AM
The football is horrific and I've seen some rubbish over the years, I wouldn't mind us playing like Stoke used to that would be an improvement at least they used to attack and pack the box. I'm getting bored of the premier league would relegation be that bad the championship is a far more entertaining league. People keep harping on about all the money the club will get next year but it will just be used to pay more tossers like the ones we have now who don't care about the badge just the pay packet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 13, 2015, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 13, 2015, 09:10:45 AM
Isn't he head coach? What is he coaching?

What about the previous coaches who also failed to address the simple issues of passing and shooting ?

One was deemed the best coach in the world or some guff like that and one has just got a job coaching the England U20's is it ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 13, 2015, 10:24:06 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 13, 2015, 10:18:28 AM
What about the previous coaches who also failed to address the simple issues of passing and shooting ?

One was deemed the best coach in the world or some guff like that and one has just got a job coaching the England U20's is it ?

Be interesting to compare data as to passing and shooting stats under previous coaches but in answer to your question,  they were sacked  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 13, 2015, 10:35:23 AM
We have only conceded half the goals Chelsea have conceded already. We won't go down under Pulis.

Our aim or JP's aim is simple, to stay in this league by hook or crook until he finds a buyer for us. The money we will get again next season will make us very tempting to a buyer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on September 13, 2015, 10:43:34 AM
Quote from: divinewind on September 13, 2015, 10:35:23 AM
We have only conceded half the goals Chelsea have conceded already. We won't go down under Pulis.

Our aim or JP's aim is simple, to stay in this league by hook or crook until he finds a buyer for us. The money we will get again next season will make us very tempting to a buyer.

That is a sensible post DW :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 13, 2015, 10:55:23 AM
Quote from: Webby on September 12, 2015, 11:31:26 PM
Can I just ask how is it Pulis fault our players can't pass too each other? Even simple passes.

Pulis had a say in selecting the squad that played yesterday, but I do agree that the players were as much at fault as Pulis for the display.
If we're going to play a long ball to a target man, only Anichebe seems to be capable of doing that job. Lambert & Rondom were woeful with their ball control yesterday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jharman292 on September 13, 2015, 11:54:58 AM
If we forget the mentality of the side for just a minute, i am amazed that a manager with Pulis's expierience and record continues to pick the wrong side and tactics.

As has been pointed out, our main problem at the minute all comes down to the middle of the park. Who in their right mind thinks Yacob and Fletcher can dominate a Premier League football match? They are constantly overrun and it makes it impossible for us to keep the ball for any length of time and also means our transition from defending to attack is just so slow because neither have the legs to do both.

Until he ditches the 442 and goes with 3 in the middle, 2 out wide with Rondon up top, we will continue to see such poor displays.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 13, 2015, 12:30:46 PM
Quote from: jharman292 on September 13, 2015, 11:54:58 AM
If we forget the mentality of the side for just a minute, i am amazed that a manager with Pulis's expierience and record continues to pick the wrong side and tactics.

As has been pointed out, our main problem at the minute all comes down to the middle of the park. Who in their right mind thinks Yacob and Fletcher can dominate a Premier League football match? They are constantly overrun and it makes it impossible for us to keep the ball for any length of time and also means our transition from defending to attack is just so slow because neither have the legs to do both.

Until he ditches the 442 and goes with 3 in the middle, 2 out wide with Rondon up top, we will continue to see such poor displays.

Totally agree, there is something to be said for not chopping and changing styles and giving players time to get used to their roles in a system. However when players simply don't have the physical attributes to make a system work then you either change the players (not possible there are no alternatives in this case) or you change the system. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2015, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: Webby on September 12, 2015, 11:31:26 PM
Can I just ask how is it Pulis fault our players can't pass too each other? Even simple passes.

We were pretty good at keeping the ball under Irvine but we just happened to be toothless with it.

As it not occured that the way we set up limits our ability to retain possession? We are so deep and compact that it is more or less impossible to retain the ball so instead we resort to hoofing in the direction of a lonely forward or into no mans land just so we can get ourselves further up the pitch.

How can anyone expect to retain possession when your two central midfielders are on the toes of your centre halves, and quite often our wide midfielders are even deeper making up a back six. Then you have one carthorse upfront and another who is so far away that we'll end up losing the second ball anyway.

Our lack of options and movement when we have the ball is sunday league standard. That instruction comes from Pulis. He is so bogged down in defensive positioning and shape that our attacking play is redundant.

If people are happy with that then fine, but I'm not and never will accept it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 13, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
It is very rare that I run any of our managers down and I have seen some in the past 50 years but this bloke as got till Christmas to change things round, if not then he should walk before he is pushed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 13, 2015, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on September 13, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
It is very rare that I run any of our managers down and I have seen some in the past 50 years but this bloke as got till Christmas to change things round, if not then he should walk before he is pushed.

He won't be pushed provided he grinds out enough results (and he will) which is why I am so utterly despondent at the moment. There might be some twist of fate that takes Pulisball away without us being in the Championship but I fear there isn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 13, 2015, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: Standaman on September 13, 2015, 01:09:08 PM
He won't be pushed provided he grinds out enough results (and he will) which is why I am so utterly despondent at the moment. There might be some twist of fate that takes Pulisball away without us being in the Championship but I fear there isn't.

He is here for the long run, can't see him walking, can't see him being sacked and no way can I see another club wanting to poach him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on September 13, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
I tolerated him last season as the priority had to be survival in the Prem. and well done for his part in achieving that. However, if we are playing relegation football just into September against average opposition it's going to make grim watching for the rest of the season. I know the transfer market is difficult to plan for, but the fact is,  he failed to prioritise in creative areas of the team.
It's no good criticising the passing and movement when the midfield selected , Yacob, Fletcher and Gardener, are all mainly defensive players. They probably see their main task as covering opposition players breaking forward, so we end up playing at home even, far too deep, and without players who can pick a good through pass or get forward themselves to offer real support to the front men. Morisson can do that job, although I thought he looked off form for Scotland during the week. MacMannaman can break forward on the flank, but we need someone more central who can link the play between defence and attack. If there is nobody who can do that, it's inevitable that the defenders will bypass the midfield with long punts forward, and so we end up losing possession and any sustained period of pressure on the opposition goal hardly ever happens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on September 13, 2015, 03:03:45 PM
im not paying money to watch anymore with pulis in charge,r.i.p for football at the albion,yesterday was the final nail in the coffin for me,we were an absolute disgrace if saints could have crossed the ball better they would have had at least 5 goals,we are playing Southampton at home not man city,from top to bottom his tactics are negative and becoming beyond a joke,after the money we spent in transfer window we are comfortably the worst team in the division I have seen I really fear for us this season we have no injury probs[apart from foster]and that's seriously the best team pulis thinks he can put out yesterday,for gods sake gardener on the right wing,both fullbacks well one a midfielder and the other a centre half not coming over the half way line,apart from mac no pace in the midfield,and when mac finally started to threaten when berahino came on he takes him off for maclean[to preserve a 0-0 at home],there was no link up play whatsever just hoof,hoof I feel so sorry for rondon I feel so sorry for anyone who wants to pay £25 plus every week to watch this dross
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on September 13, 2015, 03:15:19 PM
We have scored the same amount of goals and conceded to Liverpool.

How much have they spent on Clyne, Lovren, Gomez, Firmino, Benteke, Ings. Yet some would be happy if we had all of them due to the tippy tappy...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on September 13, 2015, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on September 13, 2015, 03:15:19 PM
We have scored the same amount of goals and conceded to Liverpool.

How much have they spent on Clyne, Lovren, Gomez, Firmino, Benteke, Ings. Yet some would be happy if we had all of them due to the tippy tappy...
id love just ten seconds of tippy tappy please
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 13, 2015, 03:41:15 PM
May aswel take our midfield and sit them on the bench as we don't use them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 03:58:20 PM
I don't understand why anyone would stop going NOW. the time to stop going up was the start of last season when we played dogshit football and didn't get any results. Those who moan about players being ostracised, last season Gamboa, Varela, Blanco, Samaras and Ideye were all cold shouldered by the best coach in the league, with the fitness excuse trotted out each week. the 6th year in the PL argument popped up again yesterday, make no mistake this while literally is our 6th Premier League season, figuratively it might as well be our 2nd such was the mess Pulis inherited from Clarke, Mel and Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on September 13, 2015, 04:09:27 PM
Very often a long ball out of defence is a good way of starting an attacking move, but it should be a PASS not a hopeless punt. The difference between these is the time and confidence/ability on the ball of the passing player, and the movement from the potential recipient. A the moment the former is lacking, resulting in aimless hoofed passes to no one which makes the front players look isolated. No matter where the strikers go they are followed by a defender that can bully them off the ball as they try to control a missile aimed somewhere between chest and groin, or a high bouncing ball that at best is a fifty fifty.. Rondon yesterday was knackered after 2 matches and a long flight but worked his wotsits off trying to make something out of nothing. The only time he got a reasonable half chance he turned into a shot which as he was challenged and knocked off balance went over the bar. Even late on some of the interchange between him and SB, perhaps should have resulted in a goal attempt didn't because of the fatigue factor. Lambert is a good footballer with vision and passing ability but at the moment is well off the pace and maybe will never get it back.  I see jacob and Fletcher getting criticism but they are part of the reason we are able to keep clean sheets with a relatively old and slow defence. So what is the answer? JM, McClean Gardner? surely we can do better. A  motivated Sess in the middle attacking defences? Perhaps Gnabry?  - who knows but there are only 11 places and one of the up to yet more effective players may have to be sacrificed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 13, 2015, 05:26:40 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 03:58:20 PM
I don't understand why anyone would stop going NOW. the time to stop going up was the start of last season when we played dogshit football and didn't get any results. Those who moan about players being ostracised, last season Gamboa, Varela, Blanco, Samaras and Ideye were all cold shouldered by the best coach in the league, with the fitness excuse trotted out each week. the 6th year in the PL argument popped up again yesterday, make no mistake this while literally is our 6th Premier League season, figuratively it might as well be our 2nd such was the mess Pulis inherited from Clarke, Mel and Irvine.
Aye, I stopped going halfway through last season for that exact reason.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on September 13, 2015, 05:31:35 PM
Quote from: alex1 on September 13, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
I tolerated him last season as the priority had to be survival in the Prem. and well done for his part in achieving that. However, if we are playing relegation football just into September against average opposition it's going to make grim watching for the rest of the season. I know the transfer market is difficult to plan for, but the fact is,  he failed to prioritise in creative areas of the team.
It's no good criticising the passing and movement when the midfield selected , Yacob, Fletcher and Gardener, are all mainly defensive players. They probably see their main task as covering opposition players breaking forward, so we end up playing at home even, far too deep, and without players who can pick a good through pass or get forward themselves to offer real support to the front men. Morisson can do that job, although I thought he looked off form for Scotland during the week. MacMannaman can break forward on the flank, but we need someone more central who can link the play between defence and attack. If there is nobody who can do that, it's inevitable that the defenders will bypass the midfield with long punts forward, and so we end up losing possession and any sustained period of pressure on the opposition goal hardly ever happens.

Relegation football against average opposition. Southampton average, I don't think so!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 05:51:38 PM
Could be worse. We could play lovely football like Villa  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 13, 2015, 05:58:06 PM
Quote from: botters on September 13, 2015, 05:31:35 PM
Relegation football against average opposition. Southampton average, I don't think so!

How would you describe port vale and watford then? Less than average if you ask me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 13, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
Villa fans : we were brilliant, superb attacking at times. Great goals. How you get on? Oh we lost. But we played well.

Albion fans: blah blah blah we should be beating the likes is soouthampton at home. Terrible, horrible, horrific. How you get on ? Oh we got a point against a cracking team
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on September 13, 2015, 06:02:45 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 13, 2015, 05:58:06 PM
How would you describe port vale and watford then? Less than average if you ask me.

Watford have spent more money than we have and Port Vale were average. On a different note, looks like Lescott has strengthened the Vile defence. Pressure all on them next Saturday!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 13, 2015, 06:04:54 PM
I do wish fans would stop using examples of teams throwing away leads as an excuse not to show the slightest bit of ambition when going forward.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 06:10:14 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 13, 2015, 06:04:54 PM
I do wish fans would stop using examples of teams throwing away leads as an excuse not to show the slightest bit of ambition when going forward.

Berahino at Watford. Rondon twice against Vale. Rondon yesterday. Take our chances we're much happier.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 13, 2015, 06:16:42 PM
Quote from: MICKYMEL on September 13, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
Villa fans : we were brilliant, superb attacking at times. Great goals. How you get on? Oh we lost. But we played well.

Albion fans: blah blah blah we should be beating the likes is soouthampton at home. Terrible, horrible, horrific. How you get on ? Oh we got a point against a cracking team

Southampton just like the majority of teams in the league are bang average and a game we should be targeting to win, we barely manage to muster an attack again.

But hey ho the be all and end all is a bit work rate and absolutely nothing else.

We're in 2015 for christ sake, move with the times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 13, 2015, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 06:10:14 PM
Berahino at Watford. Rondon twice against Vale. Rondon yesterday. Take our chances we're much happier.
All players miss chances, that's how it is. The problem is that the chances you're referring to are pretty much the only ones we created in those games, so we really won't be scoring many goals at all whilst that remains the case.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on September 13, 2015, 06:25:08 PM
Quote from: MICKYMEL on September 13, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
Villa fans : we were brilliant, superb attacking at times. Great goals. How you get on? Oh we lost. But we played well.

Albion fans: blah blah blah we should be beating the likes is soouthampton at home. Terrible, horrible, horrific. How you get on ? Oh we got a point against a cracking team
It is a valid question, who would you rather have, Pulis or Sherwood?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2015, 06:33:16 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on September 13, 2015, 06:25:08 PM
It is a valid question, who would you rather have, Pulis or Sherwood?

Neither, to be honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 13, 2015, 06:33:39 PM
I like a lot of what TP brings , hard work , well drilled teams and the fact he can play the Press like a banjo. He just needs to scrap this 4 4 1 1 with Lambert struggling behind Rondon as with Yacob and Fletcher in the middle we lack a serious amount of mobility especially if we are playing on the break.
I think a 4 2 3 1 would suit our current squad so much better with Rondon in the lone role , not convinced we will see it though  :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 13, 2015, 06:36:51 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 03:58:20 PM
I don't understand why anyone would stop going NOW. the time to stop going up was the start of last season when we played dogshit football and didn't get any results. Those who moan about players being ostracised, last season Gamboa, Varela, Blanco, Samaras and Ideye were all cold shouldered by the best coach in the league, with the fitness excuse trotted out each week. the 6th year in the PL argument popped up again yesterday, make no mistake this while literally is our 6th Premier League season, figuratively it might as well be our 2nd such was the mess Pulis inherited from Clarke, Mel and Irvine.

Pulis has then invested a 'reported' £30 million and improved nothing.

Lambert is poor, McLean belongs in the Championship (as he did when he was signed), Fletcher is past it and Macmanaman contributes next to nothing when he is fit enough to actually get onto the pitch. Add to that the fact that we've signed Man Utd's 3rd choice keeper for some reason.

The only players who can contribute anything from a creative sense are Sessegnon and Gnabry but they obviously aren't diligent enough defensivley. When we are under the cosh which is pretty much every single game Pulis's only concern is defensive discipline.

6 years in the league and we still have dross like Dawson and Gardner in the team as well.

Given the lucrative contract Pulis is on which has two years to run he will be here for the duration in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 13, 2015, 06:57:18 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 03:58:20 PM
I don't understand why anyone would stop going NOW. the time to stop going up was the start of last season when we played dogshit football and didn't get any results. Those who moan about players being ostracised, last season Gamboa, Varela, Blanco, Samaras and Ideye were all cold shouldered by the best coach in the league, with the fitness excuse trotted out each week. the 6th year in the PL argument popped up again yesterday, make no mistake this while literally is our 6th Premier League season, figuratively it might as well be our 2nd such was the mess Pulis inherited from Clarke, Mel and Irvine.
Don't get where your coming from when you wheel out this might as well be our second season rubbish. if anyone's to blame for the current situation it's Peace he's the man at the top he appoints the head coaches he's the one who got everyone excited about a take over and kicked us in the teeth.
He's the one who employed Pulis to protect his investment and now we are all paying for it.
Until Peace sells up we are going nowhere and if it means slipping into the Championship to get rid of this dinosaur of a football coach I would take it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 13, 2015, 07:09:50 PM
Quote from: RedHead_Baggie on September 13, 2015, 06:16:42 PM
Southampton just like the majority of teams in the league are bang average and a game we should be targeting to win, we barely manage to muster an attack again.

But hey ho the be all and end all is a bit work rate and absolutely nothing else.

We're in 2015 for christ sake, move with the times.

Brilliant mate.

Bang average Southampton who's virtual entire eleven I'd swap ours for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 13, 2015, 07:12:23 PM
Quote from: MICKYMEL on September 13, 2015, 07:09:50 PM
Brilliant mate.

Bang average Southampton who's virtual entire eleven I'd swap ours for.

They was low in confidence though as was Chelsea although as you say better teams on paper you still need to have a go even a slight go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on September 13, 2015, 07:59:49 PM
Quote from: botters on September 13, 2015, 05:31:35 PM
Relegation football against average opposition. Southampton average, I don't think so!
Southampton away from home are average,and to play for a 0-0 at home against them is a disgrace






Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 13, 2015, 08:00:03 PM
Football is one of life's biggest pleasures and something every fan enjoys, and yet Pulis has turned watching Albion from one of my biggest enjoyments to something really fast approaching a chore. Can any of us really say they enjoy watching us and is anyone going out of anything other than a sense of loyalty because they feel they should.

We were borderline a disgrace yesterday. Yes we got a point and yes we got a clean sheet. We also got 90 minutes of absolute dross, just like we do every other week home and away. I'm really not to fussed if we lose games, growing up as an Albion fan I'm not the kind of supporter who expects to see my team win each week, or even most weeks but I do expect them to at least try and compete, something we haven't done for 9 months now.

People can make excuses but I really don't see where they can be made. If you prioritise results above all else then you will be satisfied with Pulis. Although I don't share the view the result is all that matters I do understand the reasoning behind it. However the excuses made for Pulis are tiresome and false. Say you want more attacking football you normally get a response along the line's of 'what like Blackpool or Mowbray, losing 4-3 every week and where did that get them'. Yes attacking football can lead to teams getting relegated if done badly, just as defensive football will if done badly. It also leads to teams like Leicester, Palace, Southampton and Swansea from just the last few years progressing to a level we look a million miles away from now.

Last year in January Pulis defenders were telling us to give him time, he could only work with what he had so forgive the lack of creativity. Well in 9 months we have spent around £35m, got rid of or frozen out players like Sessegnon, Varela & Blanco, wasted a signing in Gnabry (who is an excellent player but may as well go back to Arsenal now) and have a midfield containing Gardner, Fletcher and Yacob who are all decent enough players in 1 way or another but is also comfortably the least inspiring and creative midfield in the league by an absolute mile. He then has the nerve the say the passing wasn't good enough! Of course it f*cking wasn't because none of them can pass the ball,  but you know full well that they cant just like you know full well you have no interest in seeing any of them do it. As he said himself he thought it was a great result yesterday.

People on here saying Southampton are a much better team than us, why do we expect to beat them. Firstly they are now 10 away games without a win and last won on the road against an awful QPR side in February over 6 months ago. Secondly I don't think anybody expects us to win, but we expect to at least try to win.

Look at the list of players signed by Pulis
Lindergaard
Chester (potential to be the worst signing in our history at this rate!)
Evans
Fletcher
Mcmanaman
Gnabry
Mclean
Rondon
Lambert

One player signed with any creativity in Gnabry and he cant get a game even though he posses all the attributes we desperately need. Pretty much everyone said we needed creativity and pace in the middle and £35m later we have the slowest least creative in the league.

Absolute love to be on eating eating a massive slice of humble pie in 6 months but anyone who thinks this is ever going to change with Pulis here is kidding themselves





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on September 13, 2015, 08:08:28 PM
Always supported him to now but after yesterday I am now starting to lean to the pulis out camp. I take my young nephew but how can not. Convince him that this is worth going to every week. We will lose a generation of young fans with this boring dross
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 13, 2015, 08:13:11 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 13, 2015, 08:00:03 PM
Football is one of life's biggest pleasures and something every fan enjoys, and yet Pulis has turned watching Albion from one of my biggest enjoyments to something really fast approaching a chore. Can any of us really say they enjoy watching us and is anyone going out of anything other than a sense of loyalty because they feel they should.

We were borderline a disgrace yesterday. Yes we got a point and yes we got a clean sheet. We also got 90 minutes of absolute dross, just like we do every other week home and away. I'm really not to fussed if we lose games, growing up as an Albion fan I'm not the kind of supporter who expects to see my team win each week, or even most weeks but I do expect them to at least try and compete, something we haven't done for 9 months now.

People can make excuses but I really don't see where they can be made. If you prioritise results above all else then you will be satisfied with Pulis. Although I don't share the view the result is all that matters I do understand the reasoning behind it. However the excuses made for Pulis are tiresome and false. Say you want more attacking football you normally get a response along the line's of 'what like Blackpool or Mowbray, losing 4-3 every week and where did that get them'. Yes attacking football can lead to teams getting relegated if done badly, just as defensive football will if done badly. It also leads to teams like Leicester, Palace, Southampton and Swansea from just the last few years progressing to a level we look a million miles away from now.

Last year in January Pulis defenders were telling us to give him time, he could only work with what he had so forgive the lack of creativity. Well in 9 months we have spent around £35m, got rid of or frozen out players like Sessegnon, Varela & Blanco, wasted a signing in Gnabry (who is an excellent player but may as well go back to Arsenal now) and have a midfield containing Gardner, Fletcher and Yacob who are all decent enough players in 1 way or another but is also comfortably the least inspiring and creative midfield in the league by an absolute mile. He then has the nerve the say the passing wasn't good enough! Of course it f*cking wasn't because none of them can pass the ball,  but you know full well that they cant just like you know full well you have no interest in seeing any of them do it. As he said himself he thought it was a great result yesterday.

People on here saying Southampton are a much better team than us, why do we expect to beat them. Firstly they are now 10 away games without a win and last won on the road against an awful QPR side in February over 6 months ago. Secondly I don't think anybody expects us to win, but we expect to at least try to win.

Look at the list of players signed by Pulis
Lindergaard
Chester (potential to be the worst signing in our history at this rate!)
Evans
Fletcher
Mcmanaman
Gnabry
Mclean
Rondon
Lambert

One player signed with any creativity in Gnabry and he cant get a game even though he posses all the attributes we desperately need. Pretty much everyone said we needed creativity and pace in the middle and £35m later we have the slowest least creative in the league.

Absolute love to be on eating eating a massive slice of humble pie in 6 months but anyone who thinks this is ever going to change with Pulis here is kidding themselves
from that list Gnaby , mcmanaman, rondon and to a lesser extent lambert can all produce creativity .
Im not a fan of Pullis but we have to be fair?
there is a massive argument that it should  be entertainment but , we took on TP for a reason, that reason is to take the ££ from the sky deal very year, he keeps us up he keeps his job..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 13, 2015, 08:14:58 PM
I was hoping that with dropping Olsson and playing Evans, we would be able to play a more progressive midfield, no sign of that yet, still early days but we need improvement soon or discontent will really start to manifest itself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on September 13, 2015, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 13, 2015, 08:00:03 PM
Football is one of life's biggest pleasures and something every fan enjoys, and yet Pulis has turned watching Albion from one of my biggest enjoyments to something really fast approaching a chore. Can any of us really say they enjoy watching us and is anyone going out of anything other than a sense of loyalty because they feel they should.

We were borderline a disgrace yesterday. Yes we got a point and yes we got a clean sheet. We also got 90 minutes of absolute dross, just like we do every other week home and away. I'm really not to fussed if we lose games, growing up as an Albion fan I'm not the kind of supporter who expects to see my team win each week, or even most weeks but I do expect them to at least try and compete, something we haven't done for 9 months now.

People can make excuses but I really don't see where they can be made. If you prioritise results above all else then you will be satisfied with Pulis. Although I don't share the view the result is all that matters I do understand the reasoning behind it. However the excuses made for Pulis are tiresome and false. Say you want more attacking football you normally get a response along the line's of 'what like Blackpool or Mowbray, losing 4-3 every week and where did that get them'. Yes attacking football can lead to teams getting relegated if done badly, just as defensive football will if done badly. It also leads to teams like Leicester, Palace, Southampton and Swansea from just the last few years progressing to a level we look a million miles away from now.

Last year in January Pulis defenders were telling us to give him time, he could only work with what he had so forgive the lack of creativity. Well in 9 months we have spent around £35m, got rid of or frozen out players like Sessegnon, Varela & Blanco, wasted a signing in Gnabry (who is an excellent player but may as well go back to Arsenal now) and have a midfield containing Gardner, Fletcher and Yacob who are all decent enough players in 1 way or another but is also comfortably the least inspiring and creative midfield in the league by an absolute mile. He then has the nerve the say the passing wasn't good enough! Of course it f*cking wasn't because none of them can pass the ball,  but you know full well that they cant just like you know full well you have no interest in seeing any of them do it. As he said himself he thought it was a great result yesterday.

People on here saying Southampton are a much better team than us, why do we expect to beat them. Firstly they are now 10 away games without a win and last won on the road against an awful QPR side in February over 6 months ago. Secondly I don't think anybody expects us to win, but we expect to at least try to win.

Look at the list of players signed by Pulis
Lindergaard
Chester (potential to be the worst signing in our history at this rate!)
Evans
Fletcher
Mcmanaman
Gnabry
Mclean
Rondon
Lambert

One player signed with any creativity in Gnabry and he cant get a game even though he posses all the attributes we desperately need. Pretty much everyone said we needed creativity and pace in the middle and £35m later we have the slowest least creative in the league.

Absolute love to be on eating eating a massive slice of humble pie in 6 months but anyone who thinks this is ever going to change with Pulis here is kidding themselves
great post I entirely agree we are comfortably the worst team I have seen this year,every point we have gained has been by luck and that will run out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 13, 2015, 08:34:51 PM
you'll all change your opinion when we thump vile 0-1 next week  :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on September 13, 2015, 08:35:18 PM
I don't very often miss a match didn't go yesterday and didn't miss it one bit . how many others are saying the same agree with above post . 0-0 bore draw
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 13, 2015, 08:37:03 PM
Pulis' job is:

1. Keep us up
2. Play decent football

In that order, obviously.

I reckon we'll be ok by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on September 13, 2015, 08:38:09 PM
if pulis gets us relegated maybe we will get an award as a service to the principles of football as he probably wont work again in the premier leagu
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on September 13, 2015, 09:01:22 PM
I'd like to propose the Astle1968's post at 8pm is comfortably....COMFORTABLY, the most sensible, best written, and "nail on the head" post that has been posted on this forum in one hell of a long time.

I'm not going to repeat anything he said - every sentence speaks for itself.
What i will question is the actual IQ level and thought process of our manager.  He came out after the game and said that our passing and movement was, i think he used the word" awful".
What the f**k does he expect when he picks 3 slow, defensive players in midfield. How else would our passing and movement be, other than awful. The players HE picked are not capable of it.

Then, another simple question - why did he sign Gnabry on loan if he has no intention of playing him. Only someone who's struggling to rationalise things in their own mind would do something like that. Is it a case that TP isn't up to the job mentally ?
Just throwing it out there.........
I'm sick of us as a team and how we play already, and its only September.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 13, 2015, 09:03:04 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 13, 2015, 08:13:11 PM
from that list Gnaby , mcmanaman, rondon and to a lesser extent lambert can all produce creativity .
Im not a fan of Pullis but we have to be fair?
there is a massive argument that it should  be entertainment but , we took on TP for a reason, that reason is to take the ££ from the sky deal very year, he keeps us up he keeps his job..

Gnabry is exactly what we need, but can't even get on the pitch at home to Southampton in a game crying out for him.

Rondon looks a  potentially superb signing but he's not someone I would label as a creator. I do get what you mean about Lambert but again you can't really call him a creator. Both of them a front men who would flourish if we had someone who could pick a pass. If Rondon and Lambert are the limit of our creative output we really are are for a torrid season of football.

I don't think Mcmanaman is really very creative at all. In 6 injury hit months, can anyone remember him setting up a goal? He probably looks more creative because the other players around him are so devoid of any sort of attacking intent but really if you compare him to like for like wingers from similar clubs like Leicester, Palace etc his output is miles behind people like Mahrez, Puncheon, Sako. Even a bang average PL like winger like Albrighton scores and creates far more than Mcmanaman does, I saw the last 30 mins of the Sunderland game earlier and Lens looked more threatening in that half hour than Mcmanaman has done in 6 months.

I'm not slating as he is the one remotely exciting player we have and I'm not saying he is a terrible player, but at the same time I'd swap him for most other starting wingers in the league. Would anyone here take him ahead of someone like Montero, Shaqiri or any of the others mentioned. Jarvis made his debut yesterday and arguably has already produced more than Mcmanaman has.

As for Pulis job role (in his eyes anyway) it is

1. keep us up
2. do this by defending

there is no number 3

Frustrating as more often that not when we are forced to play (Burnley away for 10 mins, Villa away for 10/15 mins, Chelsea this season) or have a game he doesn't care about winning/losing (West Ham cup, Chelsea league last season) you can see there's actually a very decent team in there somewhere
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 13, 2015, 09:10:33 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 06:10:14 PM
Berahino at Watford. Rondon twice against Vale. Rondon yesterday. Take our chances we're much happier.
Like under Irvine?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 13, 2015, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 13, 2015, 09:10:33 PM
Like under Irvine?

Problem is your talking about literally our only half chances in a month of football. No team is ever going to score 100% of chances. To give you an idea Aguero scores about 18% of the shots he takes, so if Rondon is having 1/2 shots a game (mostly from scraps) he's going to score around a goal a month.

I'd be amazed if Dawson and McAuley are not both in our top 5 scorers this season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 13, 2015, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on September 13, 2015, 09:01:22 PM
I'd like to propose the Astle1968's post at 8pm is comfortably....COMFORTABLY, the most sensible, best written, and "nail on the head" post that has been posted on this forum in one hell of a long time.

I'm not going to repeat anything he said - every sentence speaks for itself.
What i will question is the actual IQ level and thought process of our manager.  He came out after the game and said that our passing and movement was, i think he used the word" awful".
What the f**k does he expect when he picks 3 slow, defensive players in midfield. How else would our passing and movement be, other than awful. The players HE picked are not capable of it.

Then, another simple question - why did he sign Gnabry on loan if he has no intention of playing him. Only someone who's struggling to rationalise things in their own mind would do something like that. Is it a case that TP isn't up to the job mentally ?
Just throwing it out there.........
I'm sick of us as a team and how we play already, and its only September.

A serious answer to your questions.

1) I partly agree with you on the passing - but remember last season it was the same midfield which generally did quite well at keeping possession (at home that is). I'm not saying it was high-possession last year at home, but it was usually better than that - and less sloppy. These were the same players; Yacob, Fletcher + Gardner.
Yesterday, they weren't at it (Fletcher hasn't been as good this season, last year his passing was far better). Secondly, Yacob attempted too many hollywood passes yesterday, which I'm sure he'd been told explicitly not to do.
As I say, I agree that with those three in the middle, you're not going to get much of the ball, it's a simplistic concept, however I'd also say that if they actually did as they were meant to (like last season at home), we'd have maintained the ball a lot more and looked more comfortable as a result. (The idea is then to get it out to McManaman to form an attack - again without keeping the ball this isn't possible).
My solution would be to drop Lambert for Morrison or Berahino, which should improve our ball retention and make it easier to attack and defend, hopefully TP does this. My main point however, is that it's the same midfield as last year, who at home were far more effective in keeping the ball with ok passes.

2) Again, I partly agree. I believe Gnarby will be used when we're chasing a game. I get the feeling he's far more attacking than defensive and will be mostly used from the bench like he was against Chelsea. Other than that, I doubt he will feature too much. I would personally always start with McManaman who is our best winger. The issue is that like Sessegnon, we need players to track back to gain points, otherwise it will look even worse under TP. I'm sure Gnarby will feature more over the coming weeks, and if he's truly good enough then he will force his way into the team. That said, from the glimpse I saw at Chelsea, he looked too raw and didn't do himself much justice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 13, 2015, 09:41:54 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 13, 2015, 08:00:03 PM
Football is one of life's biggest pleasures and something every fan enjoys, and yet Pulis has turned watching Albion from one of my biggest enjoyments to something really fast approaching a chore. Can any of us really say they enjoy watching us and is anyone going out of anything other than a sense of loyalty because they feel they should.

We were borderline a disgrace yesterday. Yes we got a point and yes we got a clean sheet. We also got 90 minutes of absolute dross, just like we do every other week home and away. I'm really not to fussed if we lose games, growing up as an Albion fan I'm not the kind of supporter who expects to see my team win each week, or even most weeks but I do expect them to at least try and compete, something we haven't done for 9 months now.

People can make excuses but I really don't see where they can be made. If you prioritise results above all else then you will be satisfied with Pulis. Although I don't share the view the result is all that matters I do understand the reasoning behind it. However the excuses made for Pulis are tiresome and false. Say you want more attacking football you normally get a response along the line's of 'what like Blackpool or Mowbray, losing 4-3 every week and where did that get them'. Yes attacking football can lead to teams getting relegated if done badly, just as defensive football will if done badly. It also leads to teams like Leicester, Palace, Southampton and Swansea from just the last few years progressing to a level we look a million miles away from now.

Last year in January Pulis defenders were telling us to give him time, he could only work with what he had so forgive the lack of creativity. Well in 9 months we have spent around £35m, got rid of or frozen out players like Sessegnon, Varela & Blanco, wasted a signing in Gnabry (who is an excellent player but may as well go back to Arsenal now) and have a midfield containing Gardner, Fletcher and Yacob who are all decent enough players in 1 way or another but is also comfortably the least inspiring and creative midfield in the league by an absolute mile. He then has the nerve the say the passing wasn't good enough! Of course it f*cking wasn't because none of them can pass the ball,  but you know full well that they cant just like you know full well you have no interest in seeing any of them do it. As he said himself he thought it was a great result yesterday.

People on here saying Southampton are a much better team than us, why do we expect to beat them. Firstly they are now 10 away games without a win and last won on the road against an awful QPR side in February over 6 months ago. Secondly I don't think anybody expects us to win, but we expect to at least try to win.

Look at the list of players signed by Pulis
Lindergaard
Chester (potential to be the worst signing in our history at this rate!)
Evans
Fletcher
Mcmanaman
Gnabry
Mclean
Rondon
Lambert

One player signed with any creativity in Gnabry and he cant get a game even though he posses all the attributes we desperately need. Pretty much everyone said we needed creativity and pace in the middle and £35m later we have the slowest least creative in the league.

Absolute love to be on eating eating a massive slice of humble pie in 6 months but anyone who thinks this is ever going to change with Pulis here is kidding themselves

Nail well and truely hit.

Take a bow that man.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on September 13, 2015, 10:13:39 PM
Anyone have the balls to take a 'We're dying of boredom - Pulis out' sign to the next game ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on September 13, 2015, 10:15:36 PM
All of these claims for Pulis to go yet no on will start a Pulis out chant at the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 13, 2015, 10:29:30 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on September 13, 2015, 10:13:39 PM
Anyone have the balls to take a 'We're dying of boredom - Pulis out' sign to the next game ?
Im as frustrated as anybody else but Pulis needs at least until Xmas to give a fair reflection , got to improve attacking wise quickly though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 13, 2015, 10:34:37 PM
If we dont win next week and we put anoyher performance in like watford port vale or even yesterday, more and more fans will turn.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 13, 2015, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 13, 2015, 10:34:37 PM
If we dont win next week and we put anoyher performance in like watford port vale or even yesterday, more and more fans will turn.
No dear the more "Cerebral" fan/supporter will carry on. It is all up and downs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 13, 2015, 11:13:41 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 13, 2015, 10:34:37 PM
If we dont win next week and we put anoyher performance in like watford port vale or even yesterday, more and more fans will turn.
Absolutely, fans patience will soon wane if the football doesn’t improve, I remember Megson’s team (second promotion season) getting booed off at home against Norwich despite winning the game.  We all want results but there has to a smidgen of excitement, surely..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on September 13, 2015, 11:28:32 PM
I would genuinely like to know what they do at training each day. Just watched Leicester on motd and can't help but notice how pretty much every other team play simple football, cross the ball into dangerous areas, have something to try on corners that have been rehearsed in training. ..just cant work out why we lack the basics.

I cant imagine why at this stage of the season he sticks with the same, slow, stale players who pose no threat or bring any excitement. Try different players, move playes around, find a formula and dont be afraid to lose or give goals away. If you play well and have the belief, the results will come and the fans will thrive getting to see something different.

If anyone is satisfied drawing nil nil at home with a team who we should be considering as a team on a similar level to ourselves, then I find that hard to take. When the fixtures come out, most of us are  realistic enough to think anything from the top 5 teams is a bonus, but we should be looking to take 3 points at home against similar and lower oposition and taking points away from home.

how some people manage to get into high profile jobs simply amazes me, when they clearly are incapable of bringing something special to the role. This world simply baffles me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 11:49:48 PM
Quote from: 17GD on September 13, 2015, 11:28:32 PM
I would genuinely like to know what they do at training each day. Just watched Leicester on motd and can't help but notice how pretty much every other team play simple football, cross the ball into dangerous areas, have something to try on corners that have been rehearsed in training. ..just cant work out why we lack the basics.

I cant imagine why at this stage of the season he sticks with the same, slow, stale players who pose no threat or bring any excitement. Try different players, move playes around, find a formula and dont be afraid to lose or give goals away. If you play well and have the belief, the results will come and the fans will thrive getting to see something different.

If anyone is satisfied drawing nil nil at home with a team who we should be considering as a team on a similar level to ourselves, then I find that hard to take. When the fixtures come out, most of us are  realistic enough to think anything from the top 5 teams is a bonus, but we should be looking to take 3 points at home against similar and lower oposition and taking points away from home.

how some people manage to get into high profile jobs simply amazes me, when they clearly are incapable of bringing something special to the role. This world simply baffles me.

Indeed like Irvine? Pulis however does have something special, he's the best defensive manager / head coach in the Premier League. Defending is a much under appreciated skill especially by fans who have convinced themselves there is a "West Brom way" which there isn't except for 4 or 5 years in the late 70's early 80's and Mowbray a league below. For us to get the number of clean sheets we do is a borderline miracle with the personnel on offer, yet to a lot of supporters it's pure luck. Do me a favour.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 14, 2015, 01:30:14 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 11:49:48 PM
Indeed like Irvine? Pulis however does have something special, he's the best defensive manager / head coach in the Premier League. Defending is a much under appreciated skill especially by fans who have convinced themselves there is a "West Brom way" which there isn't except for 4 or 5 years in the late 70's early 80's and Mowbray a league below. For us to get the number of clean sheets we do is a borderline miracle with the personnel on offer, yet to a lot of supporters it's pure luck. Do me a favour.

No one is bemoaning the clean sheets. They are fustrated that we simply can't attack or even appear to want to at some points. I appreciate defending is just as more important as attack but why from minute one to ninety to we have to play so negatively. What are we defending? We haven't scored.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on September 14, 2015, 02:48:42 AM
Catenaccio.

Obsolete or relevant to the modern game?

http://www.football-bible.com/soccer-info/catenaccio-style-football.html (http://www.football-bible.com/soccer-info/catenaccio-style-football.html)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 14, 2015, 06:32:54 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 13, 2015, 11:13:41 PM
Absolutely, fans patience will soon wane if the football doesn’t improve, I remember Megson’s team (second promotion season) getting booed off at home against Norwich despite winning the game.  We all want results but there has to a smidgen of excitement, surely..
Yes I remember it too, and I was ashamed of Albion supporters that day. Megson did not deserve the fans turning like they did, and nor does Pulis at this stage. For goodness sake give him the rest of this season and see how we progress. 
Too many supporters on here with short memories, and some with false memories of the so-called "Albion way".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 14, 2015, 06:40:10 AM
Fortunately, I believe the critics of Pulis are a vocal minority, as Gloster says, the more thoughtful fans will recognise this is a period of change and recognise this is something which is transient and will hopefully improve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 14, 2015, 06:54:03 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 14, 2015, 06:40:10 AM
Fortunately, I believe the critics of Pulis are a vocal minority, as Gloster says, the more thoughtful fans will recognise this is a period of change and recognise this is something which is transient and will hopefully improve.
I think it'll be about 50-50 in time. Stoke had this argument for 6 years, the style never changed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 14, 2015, 06:59:02 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on September 14, 2015, 02:48:42 AM
Catenaccio.

Obsolete or relevant to the modern game?

http://www.football-bible.com/soccer-info/catenaccio-style-football.html (http://www.football-bible.com/soccer-info/catenaccio-style-football.html)
"Although catenaccio was extensively used in the 1960s and 1970s by the Italian national football team, it is nearly obsolete at present. Teams need to adopt more offensive strategies in order to advance in football competitions since wins are now given bigger points. Before, teams are rewarded 2 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, and 0 for a loss. The same points are awarded today for loss and draw, but a win is already awarded with 3 points to encourage teams to true spirit of football—lively and attacking."

"Since teams prioritize defense when playing catenaccio soccer, they will have to adopt a retreat game style. This can make teams unpopular and will subject them to criticism for using an anti football strategy."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Downunder Stripes on September 14, 2015, 07:07:57 AM
Let's say Berahino drunk off to spuds for 25 Mill  and we used that money ( as was mooted) to buy Austin and Phillips... Surely that shows that we were actually thinking of a change in our playing system..... Of course it would all have depended on Tone playing them both and in their correct positions,,,,,.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on September 14, 2015, 07:18:10 AM
Quote from: Downunder Stripes on September 14, 2015, 07:07:57 AM
Let's say Berahino drunk off to spuds for 25 Mill  and we used that money ( as was mooted) to buy Austin and Phillips... Surely that shows that we were actually thinking of a change in our playing system..... Of course it would all have depended on Tone playing them both and in their correct positions,,,,,.


Why couldn't he have used the £25million he spent on them two instead ? The general mood is the signings he's made haven't improved us anyway ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on September 14, 2015, 07:57:52 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 11:49:48 PM
Indeed like Irvine? Pulis however does have something special, he's the best defensive manager / head coach in the Premier League. Defending is a much under appreciated skill especially by fans who have convinced themselves there is a "West Brom way" which there isn't except for 4 or 5 years in the late 70's early 80's and Mowbray a league below. For us to get the number of clean sheets we do is a borderline miracle with the personnel on offer, yet to a lot of supporters it's pure luck. Do me a favour.

I believe there is a West Brom way, if you dont then that's your opinion like this is mine. We have had some luck in games, not all of it good. But keeping a clean sheet isnt the be-all. Personally I'd rather see a 3-3 than a nil nil.

When we first got promoted the the PL, Alex Ferguson said "westd brom will come good, not this season but give it ten years." He was right, but the only problem is, we have to reach a point where we stretch for more than survival. And from what's been on offer lately it seems as though the fans are the only ones who desire this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 14, 2015, 08:21:39 AM
if we ever rebuild the Halfords lane stand I hope if pulis is still head coach  that the club has the foresight to replace the plastic seats for sleeper chairs .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on September 14, 2015, 08:31:53 AM
If we get badly beaten at the vile the backlash against Pulis will surely become serious. It was down to his tactics that we were denied a semi-final, and the vile achieved safety when they seemed odds-on to go down....all in the same week!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 14, 2015, 08:47:32 AM
Quote from: miggybaggy on September 14, 2015, 08:31:53 AM
If we get badly beaten at the vile the backlash against Pulis will surely become serious. It was down to his tactics that we were denied a semi-final, and the vile achieved safety when they seemed odds-on to go down....all in the same week!!

I thought that, A third loss to them in six months will be painful especially when not even trying to win the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 14, 2015, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: miggybaggy on September 14, 2015, 08:31:53 AM
If we get badly beaten at the vile the backlash against Pulis will surely become serious. It was down to his tactics that we were denied a semi-final, and the vile achieved safety when they seemed odds-on to go down....all in the same week!!

I don't think there will be a backlash. We seem to be a vocal minority on here. In reality there will be a mexican wave or singing Tony's name.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on September 14, 2015, 08:58:37 AM
Quote from: 17GD on September 14, 2015, 07:57:52 AM
I believe there is a West Brom way, if you dont then that's your opinion like this is mine. We have had some luck in games, not all of it good. But keeping a clean sheet isnt the be-all. Personally I'd rather see a 3-3 than a nil nil.

When we first got promoted the the PL, Alex Ferguson said "westd brom will come good, not this season but give it ten years." He was right, but the only problem is, we have to reach a point where we stretch for more than survival. And from what's been on offer lately it seems as though the fans are the only ones who desire this.

Whether there is a West Brom way is a debating point to which we will never have a definitive answer. However what we are seeing is not even a football way. If we are happy with grinding out enough points by any means necessary then fine. But why anyone would pay to watch what was served up on Saturday is a complete mystery to me. We are in a permanent state of  hope over expectation.But many more weeks of watching the speed skill and power of Gardner/Fletcher/Yacob in our midfield will extinguish what little hope remains.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 14, 2015, 08:59:50 AM
TBH I'm dreading the type of fare that was served up on Saturday being the norm for the rest of the season with the occasional Chelsea-esk performance thrown in just to keep us thinking there is light at thye end of the tunnmel.
A win against Witton on Saturday and that would keep most of the punters on side for a few weeks at least.
If we dish up many more performances like the Southampton one up I can see there being a definite shortfall in ticket sales, even season ticket holders will probably not bother turning out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 14, 2015, 09:11:40 AM
Quote from: collins101 on September 14, 2015, 07:18:10 AM

Why couldn't he have used the £25million he spent on them two instead ? The general mood is the signings he's made haven't improved us anyway ?

I don't know how anybody can say that with a straight face. Even a blind man and his dog could see McAuley, Olsson and Lescott needed to be replaced within the next 12 months. Replacing 3 aging defenders in their mid 30's with 3 defenders in their prime (Chester, Fazio and Evans were identified) is an improvement every day of the week.

Up front Rondon and Lambert have replaced Ideye and Samaras. No brainer with last summers strikers making little impact. Rondon is physically more suited to the league than Ideye and Lambert will be involved in more goals than Samaras.

Out wide you've now got a fit McManaman, McClean and Gnarby. Pulis used Gardner and Morrison out there in the 2nd half of last season so they boost the threat out wide.

Going out Sessegnon, Gamboa, Pocognoli, Anichebe and Olsson were all readily available and no offers came in. There was some interest in big Vic from the Championship but they probably couldn't afford his wage packet in the end. If one or two of those would have been sold you know Pulis would have brought in Marshall instead of Lindergaard on a free. Lindergaard is the only one you can say is not an improvement. But he wouldn't have come in if more of the backup players were moved out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 14, 2015, 09:49:46 AM
I have said previous i dont want him sacked so i wont be taking posters or chanting 'Pulis out' but it wouldnt bother me if he was sacked or walked out.

I dont understand the whole its our 6th season yet only really our 2nd as the other years have been such a disaster, said it previous in those 5 years we had one relegation battle when Pepe Mel finished the season as manager, other than than we have been comfortable midtable, including giving credit to Pulis for last season.

So as we go into our 6th season, why is it too much to ask a bit of attacking intent, i dont really care whether its fancy football or quick counter attack to the wings, something to make you think we want to win this and show a bit of ambition.

Pulis has signed 9 players, he has to be given time to bed them in, but at the time of writing 4 poss 5 of those are regulars, of course that may change. Pulis said he likes widemen, we had McLean, Sess, Gnabry all on the bench or not in the squad Saturday (he also got rid of Varela who had started to look good) yet plays Gardner or Morrison out of position out there, at home against a club that will probably finish around midtable this season.

If we start lowering our ambitions to grinding a point out at home against the likes of Southampton, we are pretty much targeting the newly promoted clubs for points off, Southampton are a decent footballing side, and as a neutral i would watch them over us anyday of the week but when it comes to league placings, with their squad and our squad, they are certainly beatable.

The risk we take if we persist with the grind out results and dont show any attempt to win, we will lose support, i admire Pulis defensive coaching qualities, the clean sheets number isnt a fluke but i also expect a midtable premiership team with the quality of players we have to be able to attempt to win a game which in the first 6 games of the season, i think we have done for half a game, maybe a full one at best and its not good enough.

I hope in a few months time i am eating humble pie and saying everyone who said Pulis was building the defence first and then looking to attack were right, i really hope thats the case, but i just dont see it, last season there were positives, this season we have gone backwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 14, 2015, 09:57:27 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 14, 2015, 06:40:10 AM
Fortunately, I believe the critics of Pulis are a vocal minority, as Gloster says, the more thoughtful fans will recognise this is a period of change and recognise this is something which is transient and will hopefully improve.

What a patronising comment and what in Pulis's career leads you to believe the football will improve?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on September 14, 2015, 10:14:42 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 14, 2015, 06:40:10 AM
Fortunately, I believe the critics of Pulis are a vocal minority, as Gloster says, the more thoughtful fans will recognise this is a period of change and recognise this is something which is transient and will hopefully improve.
I do think this is about right; while we have had harder starts, you would have looked at the Aug/Sept fixtures and seen no home "bankers" and a serious chance of a very low points tally - that could have led to a serious loss of confidence.  That's why I think he has packed the midfield with defensive players, to avoid a nasty string of losses.  If Evans beds in and stays fit, I think he'll feel able to play a slightly more forward thinking style ( I won't say attacking with Pulis!)

Also, I would imagine there's a gentleman's agreement not to overplay Gnabry while he gets his fitness back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 14, 2015, 10:19:34 AM
Quote from: mulliganstired on September 14, 2015, 10:14:42 AM
Also, I would imagine there's a gentleman's agreement not to overplay Gnabry while he gets his fitness back.
Why would he need to get his fitness back?  He had a full pre season at Arsenal and we are now 6 weeks into the season..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ahandpatsy on September 14, 2015, 10:25:51 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 14, 2015, 06:40:10 AM
Fortunately, I believe the critics of Pulis are a vocal minority, as Gloster says, the more thoughtful fans will recognise this is a period of change and recognise this is something which is transient and will hopefully improve.

Who gives you the right to proclaim your sophistication

You can hope all you like I guess 6 years was a transient period

The more "thoughtful" ones realise what happened at Stoke and are scared of it happening to their club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 14, 2015, 10:38:38 AM
Bring back TM or RDM. We'll score 4 but you can score 10
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 14, 2015, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: ahandpatsy on September 14, 2015, 10:25:51 AM
Who gives you the right to proclaim your sophistication

You can hope all you like I guess 6 years was a transient period

The more "thoughtful" ones realise what happened at Stoke and are scared of it happening to their club

Did you see the reception TP got at Stoke, is that the same Pulis Stoke side that humbled our team for ten years, if you want to look back at history, look back 10 years not 10 weeks.

Our fans are sounding like Charlton fans of a few years ago, that ended well didn't it, the more thoughtful fans look at a bigger picture than the instant gratification of a vocal minority
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maximus on September 14, 2015, 10:59:24 AM
Bottom line is, He kept us up when it seemed we was just spiraling towards relegation.

Now we have played 5 games, Got 5 points and already have 3 clean sheets. If Berahino scores against watford, Morrison scores the pen against Chelsea then we have more points on the board and this thread wouldn't exist in a negative manner.

Drill the players all you want all week about shape and position sense, But it's not Pulis missing the pen or who's legs the ball bounce off trying to trap the ball.

Leicester average less than 40% possession this season, So i wouldnt put too much stock into our %.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 14, 2015, 11:04:30 AM
We will keep 20 clean sheets but we won't score in 20 games realistically, Thats like once every fortnight.

If that's the level of excitement people want on there weekends then that's fine enjoy the erm ride slow ride with squeaky wheels.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on September 14, 2015, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: maximus on September 14, 2015, 10:59:24 AM
Drill the players all you want all week about shape and position sense, But it's not Pulis missing the pen or who's legs the ball bounce off trying to trap the ball.

Exactly. His job is to manage and coach them on tactics positions etc. How is it his fault if highly paid players (yes some he brought in some he's stuck with) can't pass a ball 5-10 yards to each other. That's basics!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 14, 2015, 11:23:32 AM
The fact is the club's only ambition is to stay in the greed league, the fans for there part want to be entertained, under Pulis and the current crop of players both are possible.................occasionally
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 14, 2015, 11:26:02 AM
Quote from: Webby on September 14, 2015, 11:18:09 AM
Exactly. His job is to manage and coach them on tactics positions etc. How is it his fault if highly paid players (yes some he brought in some he's stuck with) can't pass a ball 5-10 yards to each other. That's basics!

We still have, and have had for a long time, too many square pegs in round holes. That's where it's the managers fault.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 14, 2015, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: maximus on September 14, 2015, 10:59:24 AM
Bottom line is, He kept us up when it seemed we was just spiraling towards relegation.

Now we have played 5 games, Got 5 points and already have 3 clean sheets. If Berahino scores against watford, Morrison scores the pen against Chelsea then we have more points on the board and this thread wouldn't exist in a negative manner.

Drill the players all you want all week about shape and position sense, But it's not Pulis missing the pen or who's legs the ball bounce off trying to trap the ball.

Leicester average less than 40% possession this season, So i wouldnt put too much stock into our %.

And if Rodriguez scores on Saturday, Stoke don't gift us 2 red cards and Ighalo scores for Watford we have 0 points and everyone wants Pulis out so I don't really get the point your trying to make? Again, your literally naming all of the chances we have had this season. Isn't the fact they stick out so clearly a bit of a worry? I can assure you that personally I (and I'm sure many others of a similar stance) would have exactly the same view on Pulis and what we are being served even if Morrison and Berahino had scored as the results we get under Pulis have never been the problem.

As for
Quote from: Webby on September 14, 2015, 11:18:09 AM
Exactly. His job is to manage and coach them on tactics positions etc. How is it his fault if highly paid players (yes some he brought in some he's stuck with) can't pass a ball 5-10 yards to each other. That's basics!

Yes, it is very much his fault as he is the one who insists on picking and persisting players who, A) Are by premier league levels very poor passers of the ball, B) Offer very little movement meaning it is very hard to pick players out even if they are capable of making the pass, C) Shoehorns a slow, uncretive and pedestrian bunch of players in to a formation and style that amplifies this 10 fold.

Listen to Pulis after the game, he was delighted with the result and in his mind the game played out exactly how he hoped it would when he chose that team. The only difference in future matches is we might get a set piece which we score from which would be considered a bonus. yes he said the passing was poor also although I firmly believe he is paying lip service here. If he genuinely had any interest in seeing it improve then he wouldn't be employing the tactics/formation he is. If you don't fit in with Pulis methods and dont go along with his exact game plan then you are out. Sessegnon, Varela, Pocognoli & Mulumbu. None could be trusted to perform exactly how he wanted so they were bombed out. He doesn't suffer (what he considers) fools gladly so mark my words anyone in the side is only there because they are doing exactly what Pulis wants and expects of them. If they weren't there is no way that after two transfer windows they would still be playing for us.

£35m spent over two transfer windows to see a team lining up with Fletcher, Yacob and Gardner as the midfield at home to Southampton and people are honestly saying what more could Pulis do?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maximus on September 14, 2015, 12:33:23 PM
The point is, That having a playing style is all well and good, But when the end result for a club to survive is points then entertainment for a fan takes a backseat. Pulis gets points on the board which is his job, Wasn't it under Pepe Mel where the old guard of players had to tell him to switch his style of play? Then we survived barely.

We all can pick the team and think we know what is best, But this isn't football manager and our careers arent on the line, He played an attacking lineup against Chelsea with Mclean/McManaman/Morrison infront of fletch/Yacob yet we let 3 goals in with ease and should have been more.

So it's not like he hasnt tried to be more attacking with flair, Just the players themselves are the culprits at certain times during the game.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 14, 2015, 01:18:20 PM
But why not try those attacking players and more attacking intent in more winnable games such as Watford (especially after seeing out the first 60 x mins when they were going to come after us) why not do it v Port Vale, v Southampton, even Stoke we were negative and they had 9 men!

We showed we could do it against Chelsea, i enjoyed that game more than the other 5 put together because we tried to win it, okay we came up short but if we attempted to play like that v most other teams we would win more than we lose, we showed v Swansea, West Ham, Chelsea last season we can do it, its not asking the impossible.

I think Pulis went that way v Chelsea this season as it was a free hit, nobody expected us to get anything, but other than that we have been too negative.

I dont think its about fans being more thoughtful or seeing the long term vision, or saying lets go back to Mowbray or RDM way and get stuffed, we are 8 and 6 years down the line from the teams we had then,  i think 90% of our squad now are internationals or have played at that level, we have champions league winners, we have highly rated players, we have a young english goalscorer, so i dont think its too much to ask in some games to attempt to win it.

I dont agree with it but can understand the logic of keeping it tight, grind out a nil nil vs the big boys, but from the top 5 or 6 down, there is not a great deal to choose so after doing the hard work the last 5 months of last season to make us organised and hard to beat, why arent we looking to expand on that this season? Because with the exception of Evans, the defence and defensive midfielders were all the same as last season, they know the jobs by now, they have been doing it since January, they are settled in, surely you look to build on that and kick on? Yet what i have seen so far this season we are doing the opposite.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on September 14, 2015, 01:41:47 PM
Controversial I know, but am I the only Albion fan who won't be overly bothered if we got a right thumping at Villa on Saturday. I despise them as much as the next man and leapt off the sofa when Leicester got that winner, but how I'm feeling right now about my club/our negative drivel serving as 'football'/players playing out of position/new signings not being played/players frozen out/not trying to win....bad and all as it sounds, I seriously think a 4-0 drubbing on Saturday with us playing the same pooh way might help bring matters to a head, force TP to re-evaluate what exactly he is about, and fan pressure might actually bring about this change.
PS - I can't face going. Watford was the nadir for me - what an appalling football performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 14, 2015, 01:51:33 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on September 14, 2015, 01:41:47 PM
Controversial I know, but am I the only Albion fan who won't be overly bothered if we got a right thumping at Villa on Saturday. I despise them as much as the next man and leapt off the sofa when Leicester got that winner, but how I'm feeling right now about my club/our negative drivel serving as 'football'/players playing out of position/new signings not being played/players frozen out/not trying to win....bad and all as it sounds, I seriously think a 4-0 drubbing on Saturday with us playing the same pooh way might help bring matters to a head, force TP to re-evaluate what exactly he is about, and fan pressure might actually bring about this change.
PS - I can't face going. Watford was the nadir for me - what an appalling football performance.
So far i have resisted making any comment about pulis, but what i will say know is after coming back from Watford i said that was it for away games, i have a season ticket so will carry on going this season but if this style of football continues i am sorry to say, but after 50 years of going home and away through thick and thin i will not be going back next season!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 14, 2015, 01:52:40 PM
I want us to win as ever to treat my friends who have forked out hard earned money to support us.

I have viewings on Saturday hopefully so won't even check until Saturday night, First time I have felt like that ever to.

Nevertheless I hope we do it COYB.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on September 14, 2015, 02:41:30 PM
I agree with square pegs round holes etc. But we seem to have had some problem passing the ball for a while now under various coaches from what I seem to recall. Dunno what it could be?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2015, 02:45:51 PM
A time ago in another post the topic was what was best for us fans prem footy at all cost or sexy footy ball guest which got the most fans backing, well you've got your wish now.
i was hoping to get the Crystal Palace TP not the Stoke one looks like that was wishfull thinking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 14, 2015, 02:47:20 PM
I have to echo the sentiments of others in saying that I want him out. I seriously cannot stomach the pathetic displays we're churning out, results are ok but the performances are nothing short of an embarrassment.

Whilst Pulis is in charge I can't justify the cost and time involved in attending away games when we make no attempt at all to win football matches. Even when we manage the odd lucky win I don't enjoy it, it's garbage.

Pulis has been brought in to get results and that's fine, I will just check the result at 5pm on a Saturday if performances are irrelevant.

Thank you Tony Pulis for killing my passion for this football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 14, 2015, 02:54:29 PM
Sad thing is I don't think most people are demanding sexy all out attack tiki taka football, just a half decent balance between defence and attack and some genuine intent to win the majority of games we play (not actually win them, just try to)

Fans saying they want survival/results as if it's the be all and end all. For me it's about moments that make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up and moments you cant get in 'normal' everyday life

Don't take this too literally as any last minute winner is celebrated wildly, as would ours be if we produced one on Saturday but football should be all about moments like this. Not clean sheets and playing for a point.

https://vine.co/v/eFD5EQMt9gh

and how many of them have we got from Pulis? Sad thing is if we were in Leicester's position yesterday we would have scored the equalizer and immediately have shut up shop and protected the 2-2.

How long will that guy remember yesterdays game for, and how long will we remember any of our games this season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 14, 2015, 03:42:49 PM
I suggest a few start writing to Mr Peace voicing their issues with Pulis as Pulis is perfect for him as he guarantees us Premier League football and as this is now a multi million pound business thats at the forefront of the clubs thoughts with the new deal coming in next season, people like us are not that important anymore.

Sky changed football massively, took a while to drip down to the "finance" over "entertainment" for some but its here and watching a few other clubs recently its not just us thats not the best to watch. Some games are great for the neutrals at home or in the pub so guess what folks ?? Sky get what they wanted.

No its not great to watch and at times absolute rubbish, seen much worse than this over the years and I remember us all looking forward to getting to the Premier League. well this is it folks unless you have a mega owner ready to splash the cash.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on September 14, 2015, 03:43:37 PM
like many said i aint going to away games to watch utter dross . i blame Pulis for this and think hes a lucky man he aint getting more stick . get a good hammering at the vile will be a turning point .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on September 14, 2015, 03:57:42 PM
Saturday was disappointing, hopefully we can get the balance right come the weekend.
Really wont give a monkey's come Saturday evening if we have played even worse though so long as we have three points in the bag.

We owe those dirty Viler f(kers big time.
If I'm honest the next best thing to battering them will be to go there, do nothing for 90 minutes and have Agbonlahor or Lescott pop up with an own goal in the last minute of stoppage time just to really f(k them off even more.

COME ON YOU BAGGIES and SOTV!!!!!!!!!!!!
 8).

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 14, 2015, 04:19:55 PM
I've said this post several times in here now, and I am yet to get a response, so I will say it again.

At the moment, we've had 4 managers in 2 seasons (if you include Pulis). My point is, as a club we were a mess, hiring and firing various managers who clearly weren't good enough and a lot of that was down to the club structure etc.
Finally, with Pulis we seem to have had someone who can keep us up safely. In short, we've been crying out for a bit of stability and finally we've got it. Pulis hasn't even had a full season here, but people want him gone. The result if we sacked him now, would be falling back into the same spell before, constantly flirting with relegation etc.
Does anyone really believe sacking him now would truly benefit the club? He's been here 5 minutes and people want him out. I'll say it again, give him at least until the end of the season, it's not a lot of time in itself, but otherwise it's hypocrisy in its finest and will only harm us further in the long-run as a club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 14, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
He hasn’t been here 5 minutes, he has been here longer than Irvine and Mel and has had more transfer windows than both and has spent more than any other manager in our history.   We have been a stable Prem club for 5 or 6 years, we have flirted with relegation once.  What in his management career suggests he will change in terms of style?  Do I think it would benefit the club if he was to be sacked...  well I certainly believe there is someone out there who would be able to achieve the objective of keeping us up (comfortably) without having to resort to these turgid tactics which we are having to endure at the moment. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 14, 2015, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 14, 2015, 04:19:55 PM
I've said this post several times in here now, and I am yet to get a response, so I will say it again.

At the moment, we've had 4 managers in 2 seasons (if you include Pulis). My point is, as a club we were a mess, hiring and firing various managers who clearly weren't good enough and a lot of that was down to the club structure etc.
Finally, with Pulis we seem to have had someone who can keep us up safely. In short, we've been crying out for a bit of stability and finally we've got it. Pulis hasn't even had a full season here, but people want him gone. The result if we sacked him now, would be falling back into the same spell before, constantly flirting with relegation etc.
Does anyone really believe sacking him now would truly benefit the club? He's been here 5 minutes and people want him out. I'll say it again, give him at least until the end of the season, it's not a lot of time in itself, but otherwise it's hypocrisy in its finest and will only harm us further in the long-run as a club.

I'll give you a response, you are spot on. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2015, 04:46:21 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 14, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
He hasn’t been here 5 minutes, he has been here longer than Irvine and Mel and has had more transfer windows than both and has spent more than any other manager in our history.   We have been a stable Prem club for 5 or 6 years, we have flirted with relegation once.  What in his management career suggests he will change in terms of style?  Do I think it would benefit the club if he was to be sacked...  well I certainly believe there is someone out there who would be able to achieve the objective of keeping us up (comfortably) without having to resort to these turgid tactics which we are having to endure at the moment.

As if the length of tenures of Irvine and Mel are anything to compare to. I'll tell you who's out there who'd keep us up comfortably. Sam Allardyce. Any better?

As for the money he's spent, the window closed 13 days ago and the players went straight to an international break? Any chance they can bed in, get to grips with the system, then we'll see where we are? What the team is?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 14, 2015, 04:52:37 PM
Roy Hodgson also came in at a time where we needed turning around. He managed to do with a mix of rigid, defensive football as well as some decent attacking performances. If he managed to do it with an arguably weaker squad then why can't Pulis? There is a balance to be struck but Pulis doesn't even seem intent on trying it.

The football is absolutely chronic. I took 2 neutrals to the game on Saturday. I explained before the game how poor I expected us to be but I don't think they believed me until they had witnessed it for themselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 14, 2015, 04:58:22 PM
Pulis last season did what he was brought into do, he stabilised us, got us organised with almost a squad of other peoples players and kept us up, there were some shockers but also some very good performances and he deserves the credit for the job he did, that alone should give him the time in the job.

However he has now been here 9 x months and had 2 x windows so this is now getting towards his squad, his methods, if were playing this bad last season every week then i could understand it a bit more but we are worse this season the last!

Man City and Chelsea were bonus games (although how Chelsea have started its not the fixture it could of been) but the other 4 x games were all winnable, and yet we have not tried to win any of them,  we beat Port Vale on pens and the other victory we had against Stoke was quite freak circumstances, but the performances were shambolic.

My point is it doesnt have to be like this, i will suffer this until Xmas and if there is no improvement on the entertainment front then i will pick and choose the games (cue the - 'support your team no matter what comments' i will always support but i will pick and choose games i attend if we pick and choose games we attempt to win)

I have been going since the mid 80's and seen rubbish such as the Talbot, Buckley, Smith days, etc and there will be fans on here who have been going much longer and probably seen worse, the thing is its all relative, the players we had then were rubbish, this lot arent, they can pass a ball and attack as they have shown in their careers.

Although not entirely blameless, I would like to think a team with good footballers such as Evans, Brunt, Morrison, Fletcher, Mcmanaman, Sessegnon, Lambert, Berahino, Rondon, Gnabry to name some would be able to play some type of football and create chances, some struggle - Dawson, MacAuley, Olsson, Gardner and Yacob but the majority of our squad can play football yet don't, a few you can understand because they cant, but when most of the squad dont attempt to it comes down to the coach.

To stay in the league you dont have to suck the life out of games, you dont have to be gungho either, but we are by far and away the most boring side in the top flight (and that even includes Sunderland) and for our club where it is now, we should have more ambition than to grind out nil nil's to 40 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 14, 2015, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 14, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
He hasn’t been here 5 minutes, he has been here longer than Irvine and Mel and has had more transfer windows than both and has spent more than any other manager in our history.   We have been a stable Prem club for 5 or 6 years, we have flirted with relegation once.  What in his management career suggests he currentlyhange in terms of style?  Do I think it would benefit the club if he was to be sacked...  well I certainly believe there is someone out there who would be able to achieve the objective of keeping us up (comfortably) without having to resort to these turgid tactics which we are having to endure at the moment.
Flirted with relegation once ? , we've been lucky the last two seasons not to get dragged into it . Christmas last season under Irvine we looked bang on for relegation , Pulis did great getting us safe with a limited squad in my humble and with a 13th place finish it clouded what a good  job he did.
We then get to the Summer and our usual troubles getting players in , overall we got some decent players in but this squad is about 2 years behind in upgrades with the mess the club has made with the likes if Anelka / Lugano etc.
I don't want to be bored at games , the current football isn't good enough.... its awful to watch but don't under estimate how much work this lot needs , if it doesn't improve by January/Feb time I will most likely be happy to see Pulis gone but I think he does need a fair chunk of time to work with 9 or so players brought in . For my money his Stoke side were a lot better than what we are currently seeing but again that took time , seems to be no easy fix and we can't keep ditching managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 14, 2015, 05:11:42 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 14, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
He hasn’t been here 5 minutes, he has been here longer than Irvine and Mel and has had more transfer windows than both and has spent more than any other manager in our history.   We have been a stable Prem club for 5 or 6 years, we have flirted with relegation once.  What in his management career suggests he will change in terms of style?  Do I think it would benefit the club if he was to be sacked...  well I certainly believe there is someone out there who would be able to achieve the objective of keeping us up (comfortably) without having to resort to these turgid tactics which we are having to endure at the moment.
Irvine and Mel both lasted half a season between them, which is laughable. Pulis has been here for half a season and 5 games, he has been here for 5 minutes even in football terms, 2 transfer windows is a very small amount of time, especially when he inherited some of the players of last season.

We also flirted with relegation three times; once with Di Matteo, once with Mel and once with Irvine; he was 17th when sacked, and had some awful games coming up. That is one every 2 years, and one every season post-Dan Ashworth, it was not sustainable.

Regarding Pulis and his spending, yes it is very high, but he also managed us in the wealthiest ever era of the Premier league. It's like comparing Hodgson's spending to that of Megson, of course he'd spent more because the money was doubled/trebled that of before. Pulis spending £30 million in todays market is the equivalent of spending £15 million two seasons ago, which is not a massive amount.

Personally, I do believe in life after Pulis, but as I have said, it would be silly to sack him and expect us to stay up with ease all in one season. There's no guarentee of getting in a solid Premiership manager, which means we may have a relegation scare. There's also the moving of staff, scouts etc which is more instability.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 14, 2015, 05:13:36 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 14, 2015, 04:19:55 PM
I've said this post several times in here now, and I am yet to get a response, so I will say it again.

At the moment, we've had 4 managers in 2 seasons (if you include Pulis). My point is, as a club we were a mess, hiring and firing various managers who clearly weren't good enough and a lot of that was down to the club structure etc.
Finally, with Pulis we seem to have had someone who can keep us up safely. In short, we've been crying out for a bit of stability and finally we've got it. Pulis hasn't even had a full season here, but people want him gone. The result if we sacked him now, would be falling back into the same spell before, constantly flirting with relegation etc.
Does anyone really believe sacking him now would truly benefit the club? He's been here 5 minutes and people want him out. I'll say it again, give him at least until the end of the season, it's not a lot of time in itself, but otherwise it's hypocrisy in its finest and will only harm us further in the long-run as a club.


I don't really have a problem with his style of play, last weekend was more down to players not performing, as opposed to defensive tactics
Just my opinion, but I like to see us win, not really bothered how we get there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 14, 2015, 05:14:28 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 14, 2015, 04:52:37 PM
Roy Hodgson also came in at a time where we needed turning around. He managed to do with a mix of rigid, defensive football as well as some decent attacking performances. If he managed to do it with an arguably weaker squad then why can't Pulis? There is a balance to be struck but Pulis doesn't even seem intent on trying it.

The football is absolutely chronic. I took 2 neutrals to the game on Saturday. I explained before the game how poor I expected us to be but I don't think they believed me until they had witnessed it for themselves.
simple answer is hodgson is a better manager than pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 14, 2015, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 14, 2015, 04:19:55 PM
I've said this post several times in here now, and I am yet to get a response, so I will say it again.

At the moment, we've had 4 managers in 2 seasons (if you include Pulis). My point is, as a club we were a mess, hiring and firing various managers who clearly weren't good enough and a lot of that was down to the club structure etc.
Finally, with Pulis we seem to have had someone who can keep us up safely. In short, we've been crying out for a bit of stability and finally we've got it. Pulis hasn't even had a full season here, but people want him gone. The result if we sacked him now, would be falling back into the same spell before, constantly flirting with relegation etc.
Does anyone really believe sacking him now would truly benefit the club? He's been here 5 minutes and people want him out. I'll say it again, give him at least until the end of the season, it's not a lot of time in itself, but otherwise it's hypocrisy in its finest and will only harm us further in the long-run as a club.

So playing devils advocate Palace have had 4 managers since October 2013, we have had 4 since December 2013. Unlike us they have survived near bankruptcy, and never before survived in the PL (something Pulis achieved for them). They had just fired someone in Neil Warnock who very similar to Irvine was just nowhere near a PL level manager and seemed to be heading towards relegation.

If you go back to January this year you could argue that us and Palace were in almost identical positions with Pulis and Pardew appointed just 1 day apart from each other. Both teams needed survival that season above all else, although with 5 years of PL experience I would argue our squad was far more set for survival than Palace's.

And look at the paths both clubs have followed since then it's remarkable just how far we off from Palace in both terms of potential finishing position but more importantly the style of play. Palace are no Barcelona and I wouldn't put them in my top 5/6 teams I like to watch in the league but the football they play is pretty decent and something I would certainly settle for watching week in week out.

Leicester were heading for certain relegation 13 games ago, and now in just there second season in the PL sit 2nd in the league playing some of the most entertaining football in the league (despite possessing some of the lowest possession % and pass accuracy per game. Most people are not asking for tika taka football, just something watchable ).

Southampton came up with a side made up of mainly of players who were in league 1 12 months previously, looked set to go down, sacked the manager and almost immediately played some great attacking football on their way to safety before establishing themselves (along with Swansea who are not to dissimilar) as one of the best sides outside the traditional powerhouses)

I really cant see what defence there is for this kind of football along the lines of 'Pulis has no other options after the mess he took over'. Plenty of other clubs have been in much worse positions with much worse squads and have not resorted to the kind of football to make your eyes bleed.

We are not playing this way because it is the only way to guarantee survival, because it is the only way the players can play, because we dont have the resources to play any other way etc etc etc. This is what Pulis does, he did it at Stoke for 5 years and even after keeping them up and then firmly establishing them the football did not change one bit and if anything managed to get worse. Does anyone honestly believe if Pulis is still here next year or the year after the football will change one bit, and if so then a genuine question of what makes them think that?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 14, 2015, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 14, 2015, 04:52:37 PM
Roy Hodgson also came in at a time where we needed turning around. He managed to do with a mix of rigid, defensive football as well as some decent attacking performances. If he managed to do it with an arguably weaker squad then why can't Pulis? There is a balance to be struck but Pulis doesn't even seem intent on trying it.

The football is absolutely chronic. I took 2 neutrals to the game on Saturday. I explained before the game how poor I expected us to be but I don't think they believed me until they had witnessed it for themselves.

There were some pretty diabolical performances in the first 6 months under Hodgson. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 14, 2015, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 14, 2015, 05:14:28 PM
simple answer is hodgson is a better manager than pulis.
Bang on.
You can't always magically get a manager of Hodgson's quality, he came to us by very lucky timing and was our best manager in years. It's like comparing the current Liverpool managers to Rafa Benitez, he was by far their best manager and they'd love to have someone of his quality again but it simply isn't that easy.
I wish our fans would stop comparing Pulis to Hodgson, he also needs to be judged against Irvine, Mel, Clarke, Di Matteo, Mowbray et al.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on September 14, 2015, 05:26:08 PM
problem is, Myhill got the ball on saturday and looked to move it quick, none of our players were interested in receiving it, for whatever the reason I don't know, but there was the opp to hit Ston on the break and we didn't take advantage. I saw a slight improvement, not much though. However listening to Danny Higginbottom on tsport the other day he was saying Stoke have gone from one end of the spectrum to the other, they have no intention of defending since Pulis left and with their superstar signings who need a cuddle the outlook for them is bleak.

We can't keep changing the manager, i'm sure we will be safe and it won't be pretty along the way but he does need a season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 14, 2015, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 14, 2015, 05:20:14 PM
So playing devils advocate Palace have had 4 managers since October 2013, we have had 4 since December 2013. Unlike us they have survived near bankruptcy, and never before survived in the PL (something Pulis achieved for them). They had just fired someone in Neil Warnock who very similar to Irvine was just nowhere near a PL level manager and seemed to be heading towards relegation.

If you go back to January this year you could argue that us and Palace were in almost identical positions with Pulis and Pardew appointed just 1 day apart from each other. Both teams needed survival that season above all else, although with 5 years of PL experience I would argue our squad was far more set for survival than Palace's.

And look at the paths both clubs have followed since then it's remarkable just how far we off from Palace in both terms of potential finishing position but more importantly the style of play. Palace are no Barcelona and I wouldn't put them in my top 5/6 teams I like to watch in the league but the football they play is pretty decent and something I would certainly settle for watching week in week out.

Leicester were heading for certain relegation 13 games ago, and now in just there second season in the PL sit 2nd in the league playing some of the most entertaining football in the league (despite possessing some of the lowest possession % and pass accuracy per game. Most people are not asking for tika taka football, just something watchable ).

Southampton came up with a side made up of mainly of players who were in league 1 12 months previously, looked set to go down, sacked the manager and almost immediately played some great attacking football on their way to safety before establishing themselves (along with Swansea who are not to dissimilar) as one of the best sides outside the traditional powerhouses)

I really cant see what defence there is for this kind of football along the lines of 'Pulis has no other options after the mess he took over'. Plenty of other clubs have been in much worse positions with much worse squads and have not resorted to the kind of football to make your eyes bleed.

We are not playing this way because it is the only way to guarantee survival, because it is the only way the players can play, because we dont have the resources to play any other way etc etc etc. This is what Pulis does, he did it at Stoke for 5 years and even after keeping them up and then firmly establishing them the football did not change one bit and if anything managed to get worse. Does anyone honestly believe if Pulis is still here next year or the year after the football will change one bit, and if so then a genuine question of what makes them think that?
I don't expect his football to change much, but if it gets results then naturally our fans will start applauding again, and I don't think we will continue our current goalless streak, although away from the goals I imagine it will roughly stay the same.

You've given some examples of clubs successfully staying up with good managers and good football, but it doesn't always end that well (and to be honest, it's unfair comparing us with Southampton who arguably have the best academy in the country and were bankrolled massively until last season).

For instance, a counter-argument could be Sunderland after O'Neill. In some ways, O'Neill was similar to Pulis, his football was ugly at Sunderland, he had a good reputation and relied on set-pieces. However, since then they've gotten worse and face relegation season-on-season. Sacking an ugly manager doesn't always mean success, it can often mean failure.

Besides, that isn't really my point. My argument is that Pulis will not really improve us past last season, not in football or in results. My argument is that we should at least give him until the end of the season. It is common sense that if you sack a manager after a season has ended, it is less chaotic as it gives the new manager more time to bed in. Asking to sack Pulis a few months into a new season is borderline insanity, especially as we could potentially wait 6 months to do it which would put us at far less risk of relegation or instability.

I understand your point, you can play decent football and stay up, and neither am I condoning Pulis staying here for years - I understand his football is ugly. However, my argument is that sacking him in the middle of a season, one year after his appointment, after two seasons of unrest is not the solution either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 14, 2015, 05:42:41 PM
For those who are of the view that Tony Pulis should be sacked because of his style of football, it is worth considering that no manager worth his salt would contemplate coming anywhere near The Hawthorns if that was to happen.   We would be back to trying to hire rubbish or desperate managers who keep failing elsewhere.   The risks of relegation would rise considerably.

Yes, there are those who would prefer to play the mythical "Albion Way" in the Championship and be entertained.  Be very careful what you wish for.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 14, 2015, 05:44:24 PM
Still think the transfer window has messed up his plans, saido goes to spuds we get 25 million plus Fasio. Buy Austin and either Philips or Antonio, Marshall comes from Cardiff and Lescot goes to vile with Evans coming from Man Utd. Next window will tell alot
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 14, 2015, 05:48:07 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 14, 2015, 05:30:04 PM
I don't expect his football to change much, but if it gets results then naturally our fans will start applauding again, and I don't think we will continue our current goalless streak, although away from the goals I imagine it will roughly stay the same.

You've given some examples of clubs successfully staying up with good managers and good football, but it doesn't always end that well (and to be honest, it's unfair comparing us with Southampton who arguably have the best academy in the country and were bankrolled massively until last season).

For instance, a counter-argument could be Sunderland after O'Neill. In some ways, O'Neill was similar to Pulis, his football was ugly at Sunderland, he had a good reputation and relied on set-pieces. However, since then they've gotten worse and face relegation season-on-season. Sacking an ugly manager doesn't always mean success, it can often mean failure.

Besides, that isn't really my point. My argument is that Pulis will not really improve us past last season, not in football or in results. My argument is that we should at least give him until the end of the season. It is common sense that if you sack a manager after a season has ended, it is less chaotic as it gives the new manager more time to bed in. Asking to sack Pulis a few months into a new season is borderline insanity, especially as we could potentially wait 6 months to do it which would put us at far less risk of relegation or instability.

I understand your point, you can play decent football and stay up, and neither am I condoning Pulis staying here for years - I understand his football is ugly. However, my argument is that sacking him in the middle of a season, one year after his appointment, after two seasons of unrest is not the solution either.

Completely agree it doesn't guarantee survival, but it does show that Pulis way isn't the only way for the position we are in now and also perhaps that if we want to progress we wont do that under him.

Some fans will applaud for some time but there's a reason Pulis left Stoke despite getting the results that some of our fans crave now as in the end the football became so bad it was simply unwatchable. It just a matter of time before that moment when the crowd tips from begrudging it to having enough of it, it might be the end of this season or next or the one after but I imagine it will be much sooner than at Stoke as he doesn't have any of the goodwill and thus extra time he bought himself at Stoke with his promotion and initial survival (similar to Megson with us)

I do actually agree that we should stick with Pulis until the end of the season (no matter how much it pains me to say it) and have never called for him to go. It does mean the season is pretty much a write off and we may as well find something else to do until June but unfortunately for most of us it isn't as simple as that.

However if he is still here next season then god help us all as I think you will start to see a big drop in renewals and attendances in general.

On a side note I really cant blame Peace for this. His job is to keep us up and in that regard he cant do much more. If he sacked Pulis at the end of the season and bought in a more progressive manager who then took us down plying decent football he would be absolutely slaughtered on here by the majority of people who are currently unhappy with Pulis (although I can honestly say I wouldn't be one of them). So sadly for me at least, with no other clubs coming in to take him from us I think we are in for at least 2/3 and possibly 4 more years under Pulis)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 14, 2015, 05:48:25 PM
The problem is people keep saying we need stability, everybody wants to be in the premier league next season for the windfall, thats understandable.

However just say we carry on playing how we are, awful but effective for what would appear to be our minimum aim of finishing 17th staying up and stabilising.

What grounds do you sack him at the end of the season? He will have the players drilled how he wants, he will have more  transfer windows so more of his own players coming in to suit that style, so whats the point of getting rid of him then as surely that defeats the stability argument as another coach will want different players, different approach. I dont think you can talk about stability without looking to how if affects the future.

Also although everybody wants to be in the premier league next season, they will want to be the season after, and after that because of the money, so if our minimum aim is to stay in the premier league for the money, whatever the entertainment value, then Pulis will be here for the long haul as he is the most likely to do that, there is nobody better for organisation, sucking the life out of games and grinding out a point.

So on that basis, he wouldnt be sacked and based on what we have seen so far this season we will see more of the same, his Stoke teams played the same way for years despite more income, better players, etc.

I dont want him sacked but do expect improvement and thats why i said i would give him to xmas for my future Albion watching, if we carry on the way we have started this season then personally i think any interest in going to matches will of been drained from me by then and i will not be rushing to come back whilst we play that way.

However if he starts to show some ambition in most games and makes use of a decent squad of footballers (like he has certain matches in the past) even if it means win, lose, win, lose, but at least having a go, i will gladly back him because it will most likely achieve the same outcome - staying up but also gives something to look forward to on a matchday, which so far this season, just hasnt been there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 14, 2015, 05:54:28 PM
Quote from: paulosull on September 14, 2015, 05:44:24 PM
Still think the transfer window has messed up his plans, saido goes to spuds we get 25 million plus Fasio. Buy Austin and either Philips or Antonio, Marshall comes from Cardiff and Lescot goes to vile with Evans coming from Man Utd. Next window will tell alot

But Spurs never offered that much so how were we meant to spend it?

He has spent £16m on 2 centre backs so you can scrap Fazio from that list. We have Rondon and Berahino plus Lambert so there's no real need for Austin. Goalkeeper is not a problem, Marshall may be an upgrade on Myhill but our current problems are in now way connected to or would have been improved by the signing of Marshall.

Phillips and Antonio were available and were within our budget. Antonio went for £7m and we spent £8m on a reserve centre back who can't get a game. That should tell you where his priorities lie.

Not sure how spending £35m along with being able to keep a £25m centre forward who is certified premier league quality (something we would never have been able to do before) can be considered anything other than a huge bonus for Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 14, 2015, 06:09:33 PM
I assume Chester was bought to increase strength at CB and RB. An injury to G-Mac or Dawson and I'd think he would be the one to slot in and get his chance to stake a claim for a more permanent place in the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 14, 2015, 06:43:01 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 14, 2015, 05:20:28 PM
There were some pretty diabolical performances in the first 6 months under Hodgson. ;)

On the whole they were pretty decent first 6 months. We beat Blues and Sunderland away scoring 3 in each game and won at home v Liverpool, Villa and Everton. Without trying to compare Hodgson to Pulis the point I was making was that under Hodgson we had the right balance. Pulis needs to find a balance. He can't blame lack of options in the squad as he's bought 9 players in himself and has another 3 frozen out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 14, 2015, 06:47:53 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 14, 2015, 05:13:36 PM

I don't really have a problem with his style of play, last weekend was more down to players not performing, as opposed to defensive tactics
Just my opinion, but I like to see us win, not really bothered how we get there.

Do you not think that playing Gardner at LM is a defensive move for example? Time wasting with 10 minutes to go? He doesn't even attempt to win away games at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 14, 2015, 07:14:44 PM
There were times under Hodgson we were woeful. Until the Wolves game we were not playing that well all the time and struggling then he turned it around.
Also the standard of the "average teams" in the premier league has increased a lot. Palace, Leicester, Stoke etc all now have bigger squads with better players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on September 14, 2015, 07:44:13 PM
Under Hodgson we did have Odemwingie, Long and Thomas all of whom we're better than what we have now imo....and I'm not over keen on Long but he did do a good job at turning did fence into attack with his work-rate and pressing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2015, 07:49:19 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on September 14, 2015, 07:44:13 PM
Under Hodgson we did have Odemwingie, Long and Thomas all of whom we're better than what we have now imo....and I'm not over keen on Long but he did do a good job at turning did fence into attack with his work-rate and pressing.

Long was Hodgson's big and probably only mistake. Peter Odemwingie was by far our best player and his alienation was a disgrace, Long was never going to get the goals Peter got and we were a worse side with him in it. I only hope the same doesn't happen with Berahino and Lambert.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on September 14, 2015, 08:05:37 PM
Odemwingie was a tramp of the highest order. He might have been good, but he was a rubbish clubman, and events proved so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 14, 2015, 08:08:46 PM
The non sale of saido has caused pulis to play this way more. He was desperate for more offensive players and would have got two  or three, but it never materialised.
Hence he went back to what he knows, the basics and the art of defending as a team.

Let me ask you this, if you were very good at your job, got a move to a company with limited tools, would you throw caution to the wind or do what you have always done to be successful and recognised?

If it was your job on the line what would you do ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 14, 2015, 08:13:42 PM
Quote from: MICKYMEL on September 14, 2015, 08:08:46 PM
The non sale of saido has caused pulis to play this way more. He was desperate for more offensive players and would have got two  or three, but it never materialised.
Hence he went back to what he knows, the basics and the art of defending as a team.

Let me ask you this, if you were very good at your job, got a move to a company with limited tools, would you throw caution to the wind or do what you have always done to be successful and recognised?

If it was your job on the line what would you do ?

The first thing i would do is take a look at the employees I had inherited and back my ability to develop them. I wouldn't walk in, make a snap judgement and throw some out of their job and flatly ignore the others, especially when they are the only employees who demonstrate any flair and ability to do the job. In any team you need a mixture of the 9-5 plodders and those who aim high and want to develop.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 14, 2015, 08:23:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2015, 07:49:19 PM
Long was Hodgson's big and probably only mistake. Peter Odemwingie was by far our best player and his alienation was a disgrace, Long was never going to get the goals Peter got and we were a worse side with him in it. I only hope the same doesn't happen with Berahino and Lambert.
Don't forget Pete at that point fell out with Roy over claiming to be injured , that was what caused the first and biggest rift.
Agree on Lambert , i like him but he's looked nothing like it yet.....i would start Saido ahead of him right now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 14, 2015, 08:31:48 PM
Quote from: MICKYMEL on September 14, 2015, 08:08:46 PM
The non sale of saido has caused pulis to play this way more. He was desperate for more offensive players and would have got two  or three, but it never materialised.
Hence he went back to what he knows, the basics and the art of defending as a team.

Let me ask you this, if you were very good at your job, got a move to a company with limited tools, would you throw caution to the wind or do what you have always done to be successful and recognised?

If it was your job on the line what would you do ?
it would make more sense to me if he used what tools he's got correctly, play fullbacks who are specialised in that position, stop playing yacob and fletcher as a pair, play gnabry instead of McLean and stop playing gardner as a wideman. pulis is akin to a craftsman using a spanner on a screw. lets not forget he purchased much of this tool kit its up to him to use them effectively.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 14, 2015, 08:32:38 PM
Well all them times I left the Britannia after watching he's stoke sides beat our fairy boys saying " I couldn't watch that every week " has taken all of five games to be true, Luckily I'm in a position were I haven't purchased a season ticket so I can pick a couple of away games before the end of the campaign that my mates are doing and go then.

Whether it's the Welsh wizards fault or the players or more than likely a drop of both unfortunately it's got to a point were I am not enjoying the matches.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on September 14, 2015, 08:40:50 PM
But with the horrible Stoke team Pulis had they always scored goals and were direct and positive....they were Brazil compared to what he's trying to do now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 14, 2015, 08:52:38 PM
Surely we have to play 4-5-1?

Thought we looked pretty decent against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 14, 2015, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on September 14, 2015, 08:40:50 PM
But with the horrible Stoke team Pulis had they always scored goals and were direct and positive....they were Brazil compared to what he's trying to do now.

In defence of Pulis I am sure he has brought in Rondon to emulate what Fuller did at Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 14, 2015, 09:16:40 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on September 14, 2015, 08:52:38 PM
Surely we have to play 4-5-1?

Thought we looked pretty decent against Chelsea.

It used to drive me mad when Hodgson used to change the 4-5-1 which worked so brilliantly under him to 4-4-2. I think Pulis can create a good team to watch but needs to change the Fletcher/Yacob partnership by adding Morrison in front of them in the middle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 14, 2015, 11:50:32 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 14, 2015, 09:16:40 PM
It used to drive me mad when Hodgson used to change the 4-5-1 which worked so brilliantly under him to 4-4-2. I think Pulis can create a good team to watch but needs to change the Fletcher/Yacob partnership by adding Morrison in front of them in the middle.

I agree totally.  Yacob and Fletcher without Morrison in front of them will get us nowhere, especially at home
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 15, 2015, 12:06:11 AM
Quote from: Legend on September 14, 2015, 09:16:40 PM
It used to drive me mad when Hodgson used to change the 4-5-1 which worked so brilliantly under him to 4-4-2. I think Pulis can create a good team to watch but needs to change the Fletcher/Yacob partnership by adding Morrison in front of them in the middle.

Hodgson used to say that he had no idea how the 451 worked so well for him. I thought he was joking but then he went and bought Long and started to play his much more rigid 442. That decision is still haunting the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on September 15, 2015, 09:36:03 AM
Club legend Cyrille Regis reckons time is all boss Tony Pulis needs to get shot-shy Albion firing.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/09/15/legend-cyrille-regis-give-tony-pulis-time/?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on September 15, 2015, 09:41:12 AM
Quote from: Legend on September 14, 2015, 09:16:40 PM
It used to drive me mad when Hodgson used to change the 4-5-1 which worked so brilliantly under him to 4-4-2. I think Pulis can create a good team to watch but needs to change the Fletcher/Yacob partnership by adding Morrison in front of them in the middle.

Tend to agree regarding the 451 under Hodgson but as you allude to flexibility can be a very good thing.

As for the signing of Long I always had the impression that Hodgson was non too keen on Odemwingie and probably wanted Long to replace PO rather than compliment him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 12:59:55 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 03:10:59 PM
Really concerned about this season under pulis, I really think our squad isnt good enough. 

the shape of our team is dreadful, the "football" that will be served up this season will be horrendous.

6 days until our opening fixture and we havent signed anyone of note in the window, other clubs in our mini division have stenthened and we are being left behind. even villa have strenthened IMO, they have spent money and will give it a go.

Tony Pulis will ruin our club, mark my words!

I will be proved right!

more and more fans are starting to see the true picture.

The sooner the dinosaur is gone the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on September 15, 2015, 01:08:18 PM
We will stay up but pulis and his brand of football is really start to put me off parting with my hard earned cash to watch us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 01:11:24 PM
The football is no worse than it was this time last year. If Roy was manager and not Pulis you'd all be lapping it up. Mind boggles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 15, 2015, 01:16:32 PM
For me, the exclusion of Sessegnon and Pocognoli shows that Pulis is not a man manager.

Many managers would make their point and then look to reintegrate. Pulis doesn't; he ostracizes and bombs out at the first opportunity.

I think the two, and to an extent Gamboa, can look at the treatment of Berahino and rightfully feel aggrieved. He's been far less respectful to the club, and yet gets treated as a special case because he's worth more money, with Pulis inflating the lads ego still further with his press conference comments on Friday.

Poor management, cutting of your nose to spite your face. He lets personal opinion get in the way of what may be best for the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 01:20:36 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 01:11:24 PM
The football is no worse than it was this time last year. If Roy was manager and not Pulis you'd all be lapping it up. Mind boggles.

not at all, under Roy we was defensive no doubt about that but at least we would compete in games and look to have a go. we were disciplined and structured under Roy. This tripe, well 8/9 men behind the ball isnt football to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 15, 2015, 01:24:31 PM
We played Spurs off the park at White Hart Lane around this time last year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 01:30:38 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 15, 2015, 01:24:31 PM
We played Spurs off the park at White Hart Lane around this time last year.

We didn't play anyone off the park. At Spurs last year we came up against a side very out of sorts and managed the game well.  It was also the exception not the rule. Bit like Chelsea at home the other week.

Quote from: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 01:20:36 PM
not at all, under Roy we was defensive no doubt about that but at least we would compete in games and look to have a go. we were disciplined and structured under Roy. This tripe, well 8/9 men behind the ball isnt football to me.

I didn't compare the two. I said if we were playing exactly the same as we are now but Roy was in the dugout no one would bat an eyelid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 15, 2015, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 01:11:24 PM
The football is no worse than it was this time last year. If Roy was manager and not Pulis you'd all be lapping it up. Mind boggles.

I think the results are better but the football is worse now than it was under Irvine. At least we attempted to keep the ball on the deck.

For the record I was not and am not a fan of Roy Hodgson either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 01:35:19 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 01:30:38 PM
We didn't play anyone off the park. At Spurs last year we came up against a side very out of sorts and managed the game well.  It was also the exception not the rule. Bit like Chelsea at home the other week.

I didn't compare the two. I said if we were playing exactly the same as we are now but Roy was in the dugout no one would bat an eyelid.

you have compared to the two  :o oh dear.

you cant compare roy hodgson and tony pulis' playing style. pulis isnt fit to shine his shoes. and there is only pulis would could serve this dross up. even big sam plays better football!!!!

did you even go to spurs last season? it was prob the best we played, and yes we did play them off the park.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on September 15, 2015, 01:44:59 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 01:11:24 PM
The football is no worse than it was this time last year. If Roy was manager and not Pulis you'd all be lapping it up. Mind boggles.

Think you'll find the football was far better under Roy than it is now.

On Pullis, i dont really understand the moaning. Most of our supporters were over the moon when Pullis was appointed back in January and we all knew what his reputation was like with regard to his playing style. So why some are surprised we aren't the football tippy tappy side is beyond me.

In all honesty whoever we have as manager people will moan. People moaned when we had Mowbray, Di Matteo, Clarke, Mel and even Roy Hodgson. So basically were all just a bunch of moaners  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 15, 2015, 01:52:06 PM
Got to be fair havent seen many people say they want to see tippy tappy football, just some intention of attacking football.

I could care less whether its 20 passes or 2 passes but something that gets you excited and makes you think 'we are trying to win this'.

Pulis didnt play particularly good football at Palace but they were quick and direct and it was entertaining and got results. I thought last season we played a bit like Pulis 'Stoke' to get the job done but got a bit of a taster of Pulis 'Palace' in a few games and it raised my hopes as although i felt Pulis would keep us up, i worried about enterainment.

However this season with the exception of half a game v Chelsea, we have been Pulis 'Stoke', when now he has more time, more of his own players, you would hope it would be more of the Pulis 'Palace'.

Of course the 'no win approach' could just be temporary and gradually we will look to venture over the halfway line, thats why i said i wouldnt want him sacked at the moment but i have major doubts as i think the first 6 games are the sign of whats to come.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 01:52:34 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 01:35:19 PM
you have compared to the two  :o oh dear.

you cant compare roy hodgson and tony pulis' playing style. pulis isnt fit to shine his shoes. and there is only pulis would could serve this dross up. even big sam plays better football!!!!

did you even go to spurs last season? it was prob the best we played, and yes we did play them off the park.

No I didn't compare them, technically I transposed them; what's the saying about arguing with fools? Who knows what i meant me or you?

Yes I went to Spurs. Was a decent day. Certainly wasn't the best we played all season.  West Ham and Chelsea at home. Palace away were better.  Man United away for different reasons. In my opinion of course.

Quote from: AidantheBaggies on September 15, 2015, 01:44:59 PM
Think you'll find the football was far better under Roy than it is now.

On Pullis, i dont really understand the moaning. Most of our supporters were over the moon when Pullis was appointed back in January and we all knew what his reputation was like with regard to his playing style. So why some are surprised we aren't the football tippy tappy side is beyond me.

In all honesty whoever we have as manager people will moan. People moaned when we had Mowbray, Di Matteo, Clarke, Mel and even Roy Hodgson. So basically were all just a bunch of moaners  :P

Another one, read my post I didn't mention then and now. I effectively said substitute the manager and there would be none of this because many Albion fans dislike Pulis but laud Hodgson. The only comparison I made was the popularity of the two men among the Albion faithful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 15, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on September 15, 2015, 01:44:59 PM
Think you'll find the football was far better under Roy than it is now.

On Pullis, i dont really understand the moaning. Most of our supporters were over the moon when Pullis was appointed back in January and we all knew what his reputation was like with regard to his playing style. So why some are surprised we aren't the football tippy tappy side is beyond me.

In all honesty whoever we have as manager people will moan. People moaned when we had Mowbray, Di Matteo, Clarke, Mel and even Roy Hodgson. So basically were all just a bunch of moaners  :P

No Aidan, many of us (I think) have said TP deserves this season to sort the squad / style out,
Problem is the signs are its just going to be sooo depressing.
Please drop the tippy tappy argument, "balanced" football is what we need to achieve ultimately, I just hope TP can get us there before the fans call time on him, and yes you do build from the back and TP seems to be getting there with this based upon goals concede (man city /chelski excepted)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 15, 2015, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 01:11:24 PM
The football is no worse than it was this time last year. If Roy was manager and not Pulis you'd all be lapping it up. Mind boggles.

I certainly wouldn't and there were times when I doubted him. The difference is that Roy did take the shackles off every now and again and we'd turn in a decent performance. Could you ever see us going away to our main rivals and scoring 5 under Pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on September 15, 2015, 02:12:28 PM
For me our main problem stems from our central midfield area. We lack a deep lying, ball playing midfielder, a la Greening. Morrison or Brunt could play that role. I actually think Lambert could do a job there, but that's pie in the sky.

Because we lack that player, we have no tempo in possession. We don't try to counter attack nearly enough, and there isn't enough pace throughout our team. So either we play it short and let the opposition reorganise, or we pump it long and hope Rondon and/or Lambert can win a knock down. Half the time the midfield are too deep for that to happen though.

Pulis needs to either get one of Fletcher and Yacob to do more while on the ball, change his tactics so our creativity is further forward (4-2-3-1) or abandon those two in the middle. On top of that we need more tempo in our attacks. If you are taking more than two or three touches before releasing the ball or driving forward, you are taking too long.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 15, 2015, 01:54:42 PM
I certainly wouldn't and there were times when I doubted him. The difference is that Roy did take the shackles off every now and again and we'd turn in a decent performance. Could you ever see us going away to our main rivals and scoring 5 under Pulis?

Again. I'm not comparing the merits of the 2 managers, I'm not saying they play the same way. I'm saying there is an inherent dislike of Tony Pulis among Albion supporters for his perceived anti football style of play. Purely using hodgson an almost universally popular Albion manager as the counterpoint.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 15, 2015, 02:14:57 PM
To be fair you like Pulls so will defend him at all costs same as a few people defended Irvine because he seemed a decent guy.


I personally loved Robson but in the end I had to admit defeat, All about opinions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
Quote from: MarkW on September 15, 2015, 02:12:28 PM
For me our main problem stems from our central midfield area. We lack a deep lying, ball playing midfielder, a la Greening. Morrison or Brunt could play that role. I actually think Lambert could do a job there, but that's pie in the sky.

Because we lack that player, we have no tempo in possession. We don't try to counter attack nearly enough, and there isn't enough pace throughout our team. So either we play it short and let the opposition reorganise, or we pump it long and hope Rondon and/or Lambert can win a knock down. Half the time the midfield are too deep for that to happen though.

Pulis needs to either get one of Fletcher and Yacob to do more while on the ball, change his tactics so our creativity is further forward (4-2-3-1) or abandon those two in the middle. On top of that we need more tempo in our attacks. If you are taking more than two or three touches before releasing the ball or driving forward, you are taking too long.

Merit to what you say, Brunt for Fletcher would instantly improve us. The we'd be struggling at left back though.

Quote from: BobTaylor on September 15, 2015, 02:14:57 PM
To be fair you like Pulls so will defend him at all costs same as a few people defended Irvine because he seemed a decent guy.


I personally loved Robson but in the end I had to admit defeat, All about opinions.

He's what we need now, I like him as a person since we've got to know him through press conferences etc. and am willing to put up with the football for the next coupe of years if it truly establishes us in the division (like Stoke); if you could be bothered to go back to my posts from the Mowbray years (I can't) there was certainly no love lost for the man. Some of the criticism though, is way OTT, not going up any more because of the style of play? Unreal some of the pooh that's been served up in the past 30 years. We needed this and I fail to see why anyone who's attended regularly last 2/3 years can't see it. Take your medicine Albion fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 15, 2015, 02:26:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
We needed this and I fail to see why anyone who's attended regularly last 2/3 years can't see it. Take your medicine Albion fans.

I have to disagree with this, we needed Pulis last season to sort out Irvine's mess and keep us in the league regardless of performances. However, now that Pulis has had two transfer windows and spent over £30m on new "talent", is it really that much to expect an improvement in performances and see us combine last season's defensive solidity with a bit more flair and attacking intent at the other end of the pitch?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 02:28:39 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 15, 2015, 02:26:56 PM
I have to disagree with this, we needed Pulis last season to sort out Irvine's mess and keep us in the league regardless of performances. However, now that Pulis has had two transfer windows and spent over £30m on new "talent", is it really that much to expect an improvement in performances and see us combine last season's defensive solidity with a bit more flair and attacking intent at the other end of the pitch?

The window has been shut for 2 weeks... £30 million is nothing in this division. He needs at least another 2 windows.

The way to look at it is when was our last good window? I make it we've had 5 bad windows on the bounce prior to Pulis taking over. Therefore logically it'll need that many again to put right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 15, 2015, 02:29:30 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
Merit to what you say, Brunt for Fletcher would instantly improve us. The we'd be struggling at left back though.

He's what we need now, I like him as a person since we've got to know him through press conferences etc. and am willing to put up with the football for the next coupe of years if it truly establishes us in the division (like Stoke); if you could be bothered to go back to my posts from the Mowbray years (I can't) there was certainly no love lost for the man. Some of the criticism though, is way OTT, not going up any more because of the style of play? Unreal some of the pooh that's been served up in the past 30 years. We needed this and I fail to see why anyone who's attended regularly last 2/3 years can't see it. Take your medicine Albion fans.


Yeah I possibly won't be going to another home game this season my choice I'm fine with it as its my decision I hope the club improves and rewards those that tough it out.

Again I disagree with you, Establishing us ? We have the fifth highest net spend someone said and spent a lot of money on the team why aim for survival every year ? You realistically want 10 years here before we try and be more ambitious and brave in our displays ? Even if we fail I wouldn't mind.

The last two three years have not been worse than this my friend again in my opinion under Irvine and Mel we at least tried to pressure and pass the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 15, 2015, 02:32:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 02:28:39 PM
The window has been shut for 2 weeks... £30 million is nothing in this division. He needs at least another 2 windows.

He's had the majority of his signings in place for at least a month, bar Lindegaard. Gnabry is criminally under-utilised, his £8m centre half barely makes it onto the pitch and the less said about the £3m spent on Rickie Lambert the better.

Lord knows what damage he would do to this club if he's given another two windows to spunk more money up the wall.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 02:35:57 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 15, 2015, 02:29:30 PM
Yeah I possibly won't be going to another home game this season my choice I'm fine with it as its my decision I hope the club improves and rewards those that tough it out.

Again I disagree with you, Establishing us ? We have the fifth highest net spend someone said and spent a lot of money on the team why aim for survival every year ? You realistically want 10 years here before we try and be more ambitious and brave in our displays ? Even if we fail I wouldn't mind.

The last two three years have not been worse than this my friend again in my opinion under Irvine and Mel we at least tried to pressure and pass the ball.

But we would have gone down under both men (If you believe the Downing conspiracies) Yes it was easier on the the eye (though I don't think it was in AI's case) but we were a much weaker side in lets be honest a much weaker division.

I think we SHOULD be an established side by now, but mismanagement means we aren't.

Quote from: Lloydy on September 15, 2015, 02:32:37 PM
He's had the majority of his signings in place for at least a month, bar Lindegaard. Gnabry is criminally under-utilised, his £8m centre half barely makes it onto the pitch and the less said about the £3m spent on Rickie Lambert the better.

Lord knows what damage he would do to this club if he's given another two windows to spunk more money up the wall.

Based on what? He's not played football for 18 months, and his 2 appearances so far haven't pulled up any trees, he has had a very nasty injury, give him time. Lambert is an improvement on Samaras. Chester it is also still early days, he's a very good player, but statistically we've got about the 3rd best defence in the division so needs to bide his time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 15, 2015, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 02:28:39 PM
The window has been shut for 2 weeks... £30 million is nothing in this division. He needs at least another 2 windows.

The way to look at it is when was our last good window? I make it we've had 5 bad windows on the bounce prior to Pulis taking over. Therefore logically it'll need that many again to put right.

He'll buy more defensive players.  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 02:38:01 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 15, 2015, 02:36:47 PM
He'll buy more defensive players.  :D

Presumably everyone will be delighted then because the law of averages suggests eventually he'll buy a fullback even if its by accident  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 15, 2015, 02:40:09 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 02:28:39 PM
The window has been shut for 2 weeks... £30 million is nothing in this division. He needs at least another 2 windows.

The way to look at it is when was our last good window? I make it we've had 5 bad windows on the bounce prior to Pulis taking over. Therefore logically it'll need that many again to put right.

net spend of 30m is the 3rd highest in the division during the last window (according to talksport article), so its hardly "nothing"

http://talksport.com/football/updated-every-premier-league-team-ranked-terms-net-spend-transfer-window-150828164526
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 15, 2015, 02:42:45 PM
I think most fans just want to see us show some ambition this season to win a game, its only 6 games in so maybe it will in the future.

I think after 6 years we can class ourselves as established so dont think we need another 2 years to establish ourselves, the problem with that approach to is that if (and its a big if) Pulis continues with the current style of play, ie - cynical, boring,  and completely defensive for the next 2 years (and based on his Stoke team there is nothing to say he wont) whoever comes in next after him will have to revamp it and there will then be the calls for that need to establish ourselves under the new coach.

I dont Pulis is that far away from keeping most people happy, we saw glimpses last season what we were like with the handbrake off and it was good, he kept us up, he can clearly organise a team, he comes across a good bloke, he makes mistakes (dont we all) but he has loads of positives in his favour and i think all he needs to do is show more intent to win games and attack, we have the players to do it.

Thats why although i think the start of the season has been shocking for entertainment, thats all it is, the start of the season, hopefully now we will be looking to improve our ambitions and thats why i think xmas is the time to judge him but in the few months leading upto that, do want to see signs of progression!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 15, 2015, 02:43:40 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 02:35:57 PM

Based on what? He's not played football for 18 months, and his 2 appearances so far haven't pulled up any trees, he has had a very nasty injury, give him time. Lambert is an improvement on Samaras. Chester it is also still early days, he's a very good player, but statistically we've got about the 3rd best defence in the division so needs to bide his time.

Which for me makes it another poor signing. Any player not fit to start games is a waste of a squad place. We've done it far too many times in the past and not learned our lesson. He'll be another Sinclair IMO. Do Arsenal have the right to recall him in January?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on September 15, 2015, 02:50:10 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 15, 2015, 02:29:30 PM
Yeah I possibly won't be going to another home game this season my choice I'm fine with it as its my decision I hope the club improves and rewards those that tough it out.

Again I disagree with you, Establishing us ? We have the fifth highest net spend someone said and spent a lot of money on the team why aim for survival every year ? You realistically want 10 years here before we try and be more ambitious and brave in our displays ? Even if we fail I wouldn't mind.

The last two three years have not been worse than this my friend again in my opinion under Irvine and Mel we at least tried to pressure and pass the ball.

First of all we would have gone down under both Irvine and Mel if they had been given a full season. It was dreadful stuff no matter how much we tried to pressure and pass the ball.

In my opinion there are only 7 teams who are established premier league teams. United City Liverpool Chelsea Arsenal Spurs and Everton. The other 13 aim to get to 40 points and depending on how soon they do that they then go from there.

Yes Stoke ,ourselves, Villa, Sunderland, Swansea, West Ham, Newcastle have been in the league for a fair few years but all of us are just one poor/average season away from going down.

As sad as it is to think this way this is how the league now works and it is simply looking at the whole picture realistically.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on September 15, 2015, 02:55:25 PM
Come on did anybody actually expect anything other than what we have been served up under Pulis since appointing him.

He kept us up last season and he will keep us up this year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 15, 2015, 02:57:38 PM
Quote from: WSBaggie on September 15, 2015, 02:50:10 PM
First of all we would have gone down under both Irvine and Mel if they had been given a full season. It was dreadful stuff no matter how much we tried to pressure and pass the ball.

In my opinion there are only 7 teams who are established premier league teams. United City Liverpool Chelsea Arsenal Spurs and Everton. The other 13 aim to get to 40 points and depending on how soon they do that they then go from there.

Yes Stoke ,ourselves, Villa, Sunderland, Swansea, West Ham, Newcastle have been in the league for a fair few years but all of us are just one poor/average season away from going down.

As sad as it is to think this way this is how the league now works and it is simply looking at the whole picture realistically.


So you don't think there's a difference between ourselves and teams like Swansea, Palace and it looks like Leicester in time ?.

Football/ sport is all about momentum fresh approaches and a freshness of ambition, I'm afraid we haven't shown any of them qualities for a good three years.

I'm not just blaming one person for that obviously.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on September 15, 2015, 03:07:45 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 15, 2015, 02:57:38 PM
So you don't think there's a difference between ourselves and teams like Swansea, Palace and it looks like Leicester in time ?.

Football/ sport is all about momentum fresh approaches and a freshness of ambition, I'm afraid we haven't shown any of them qualities for a good three years.

I'm not just blaming one person for that obviously.

Yes there is a huge difference, those teams are exciting to watch and we are boring.

They are no further ahead of us though because they are all aiming for 40 points like we are.

They might finish in the top half and that's it but then again we have done that and there is nothing to say we won't do so this year or in the coming years.

A top half finish is as good as it gets whether you're us under Pulis or Leicester and Palace playing 'good' football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 03:11:10 PM
We went to villa park under pepe mel. We lost 4-3.

The appreciation of the fans after that game said it all. We went, we gave it a go but we lost.

Compare that to the last two games at villa park.

I rest my case.

Noone can say pepe mel would have taken us down. He was not given a fair chance.

Irvine looked like he would have done but we will never know.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 03:16:15 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 03:11:10 PM
We went to villa park under pepe mel. We lost 4-3.

The appreciation of the fans after that game said it all. We went, we gave it a go but we lost.

Compare that to the last two games at villa park.

I rest my case.

Noone can say pepe mel would have taken us down. He was not given a fair chance.

Irvine looked like he would have done but we will never know.

You're joking aren't you? Fans were furious after that 4-3 game, both in the ground and on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 15, 2015, 03:19:49 PM
No Pepe Mel was useless and should have been sacked a month into his reign as he didn't have the capability to manager our club. The Villa game showed his naivety unfortunately.  Irvine wasn't backed properly so we'll never know how he would have done if given the funds that Pulis has been given. I remember reading a quote from Irvine which he had a list of players he wanted for us but was told no because we had this whole new scouting department which turned out to be utterly incompetent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on September 15, 2015, 03:20:21 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 03:11:10 PM
We went to villa park under pepe mel. We lost 4-3.

The appreciation of the fans after that game said it all. We went, we gave it a go but we lost.

Compare that to the last two games at villa park.

I rest my case.

Noone can say pepe mel would have taken us down. He was not given a fair chance.

Irvine looked like he would have done but we will never know.

Not sure what the fans you saw were on but it's safe to say there was a very negative reaction to that result from our fans.

We were embarrassing at the back and so were Villa. The difference was we were more embarrassing than them at the back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on September 15, 2015, 03:23:10 PM
How anybody can try and compare Pepe Mel and Alan Irvine as PL managers to Tony Pulis is beyond me
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on September 15, 2015, 03:36:18 PM
Firstly, I am a Pulis fan, and even I'll admit to being frustrated with most of what has been served up so far. However:

Pepe Mel - Lets not rewrite history - the 4-3 defeat at Villa was embarrassing and showed all of the flaws with how he set us up.

Alan Irvine - The football under him was rubbish...we didn't particularly play passing, attractive football, and we looked like conceding every time the opposition attacked.

There was a real naivety to both of the above, and ultimately I hated watching us under both - watching a team with no real purpose or direction is, for me, as bad as it gets!!! Being poor at the back and going forward leads to defeats...and lots of them! I can't see how that is enjoyable.

The club has been in a mess for a while...ultimately we are lucky to still be in the division!!! Pulis saved us last season, and I expect him to keep us safe comfortably for time to come! However, he needs to inject some pace and a touch of flair into this team. I was hoping that this would have been done this summer, but it hasn't! Whether his plans were scuppered by Berahino not going, I don't know, but Saturday was evident that we lacked that spark. I think with a run of games, C-Mac can give us that, but he can't do it on his own. I also think a more mobile centre midfielder is needed - Mulumbu at his best dragged the team forward...Fletcher and Yacob want to sit!

I'm still glad we have Pulis in charge...for me, he is very much needed to stabilise this club after years of mismanagement. But yes, in time I will expect better on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 05:08:51 PM
Quote from: WSBaggie on September 15, 2015, 03:20:21 PM
Not sure what the fans you saw were on but it's safe to say there was a very negative reaction to that result from our fans.

We were embarrassing at the back and so were Villa. The difference was we were more embarrassing than them at the back.

So pepe mel didnt come over to the fans after the game and everyone clapped him and sang his name?

I was there, i didnt dream it, it happened.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 15, 2015, 05:13:23 PM
Some folks cant even give the man 10 games to get the ballance and performance better.I hope when it comes they will be man enough to eat the pie cause its coming.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 05:39:45 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on September 15, 2015, 05:13:23 PM
Some folks cant even give the man 10 games to get the ballance and performance better.I hope when it comes they will be man enough to eat the pie cause its coming.

10 games? He's had £30m, 2 transfer windows and 9 months and if anything it's getting worse. Where do you get 10 games from?

Genuine question, what makes you think it will improve?

People who were not happy with Pulis style when he was appointed were told to give him time and the transfer window to get his own players. The football didn't improve and we were told until we were safe and next season would be better.

Now another transfer window gone, £30m more spent with no clear improvement to the team, 9 months working with the players and we're told to give him more time as he hasn't had enough time/resources. At what point are people going to realise this is all we will ever get with Pulis. There is no plan/ambition to develop us from here and if you think there is your dreaming. Listen again to his reaction after the Southampton game where he said how delighted he was.

Numerous other managers have come in to numerous other clubs over the past 3/4 years, mostly in worse positions and mostly with less money spent and are currently miles ahead of us in now. Why does Pulis need 2/3 years to develop us when others can do it in 2/3 months. That's forgetting that even in 3 years there will still be no development
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on September 15, 2015, 05:43:01 PM
Quote from: AshD on September 15, 2015, 03:36:18 PM
Firstly, I am a Pulis fan, and even I'll admit to being frustrated with most of what has been served up so far. However:

Pepe Mel - Lets not rewrite history - the 4-3 defeat at Villa was embarrassing and showed all of the flaws with how he set us up.

Alan Irvine - The football under him was rubbish...we didn't particularly play passing, attractive football, and we looked like conceding every time the opposition attacked.

There was a real naivety to both of the above, and ultimately I hated watching us under both - watching a team with no real purpose or direction is, for me, as bad as it gets!!! Being poor at the back and going forward leads to defeats...and lots of them! I can't see how that is enjoyable.

The club has been in a mess for a while...ultimately we are lucky to still be in the division!!! Pulis saved us last season, and I expect him to keep us safe comfortably for time to come! However, he needs to inject some pace and a touch of flair into this team. I was hoping that this would have been done this summer, but it hasn't! Whether his plans were scuppered by Berahino not going, I don't know, but Saturday was evident that we lacked that spark. I think with a run of games, C-Mac can give us that, but he can't do it on his own. I also think a more mobile centre midfielder is needed - Mulumbu at his best dragged the team forward...Fletcher and Yacob want to sit!

I'm still glad we have Pulis in charge...for me, he is very much needed to stabilise this club after years of mismanagement. But yes, in time I will expect better on the pitch.
Very well said and put. TP is exactly the right man at the right time and what we need. Let's get behind him and enjoy the stability he brings to the club - it is long overdue. The thought of playing entertaining football and losing 4-3 every week a la Mowbray fills me with horror. We need to stay in the greed league come what may and TP will do that as will the likes of Allardyce, Hughes Rednap and Ranierri - those are the experienced type needed rather than the likes of Daish, Holloway and Mel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 15, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 05:08:51 PM
So pepe mel didnt come over to the fans after the game and everyone clapped him and sang his name?

I was there, i didnt dream it, it happened.
People liked Mel because of his personality, but that night many were angry with his tactics. It was his high-line mixed with Lugano...suicidal stuff and if anyone has a link to the thread on here you will see there were a lot of unhappy people that night.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 05:48:31 PM
My team when Pulis took over

Foster/Myhill (including both as Foster currently unavailable)
Dawson
McAuley
Lescott
Pocognoli
Mulumbu
Yacob
Varela
Sessegnon
Brunt
Berahino

Pulis team after the 1st transfer window (so forgetting players like Pocognoli/Sessegnon)

Foster/Myhill
Dawson
McAuley
Lescott
Brunt
Gardner
Fletcher
Yacob
Morrison
Berahino
Ideye

The team after a further £30m investment

Foster/Myhill
Dawson
McAuley
Evans
Brunt
Mcmanaman
Yacob
Fletcher
Gardner
2 of Rondon/Berahino/Lambert

I would argue the 1st team before Pulis touched it is the one I would like to see most week in week out, and also the best of all 3 teams.

I certainly don't think anyone can argue that the last team looks £30m stronger than either of the other 2?

The first thing a new manager will have to do when they do arrive is spend at least £30m again addressing the glaring holes we have in the 1st XI let alone the squad to give it some sort of balance.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 05:50:25 PM
Quote from: Do I not like Wolves on September 15, 2015, 05:43:01 PM
Very well said and put. TP is exactly the right man at the right time and what we need. Let's get behind him and enjoy the stability he brings to the club - it is long overdue. The thought of playing entertaining football and losing 4-3 every week a la Mowbray fills me with horror. We need to stay in the greed league come what may and TP will do that as will the likes of Allardyce, Hughes Rednap and Ranierri - those are the experienced type needed rather than the likes of Daish, Holloway and Mel.

You know it's possible to play entertaining football and not automatically lose every week? It's lazy comment repeated on here countless time's whenever anyone says they dont like his style
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on September 15, 2015, 05:13:23 PM
Some folks cant even give the man 10 games to get the ballance and performance better.I hope when it comes they will be man enough to eat the pie cause its coming.

Then after 10 games are you going to say we were right. Then you will be eating pie.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 15, 2015, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: WSBaggie on September 15, 2015, 02:50:10 PM
First of all we would have gone down under both Irvine and Mel if they had been given a full season.
Mel never had the opportunity for a pre-season or a transfer window in which to sign players to suit his preferred style, so you have no grounds for such a statement with regard to him. Whichever way you look at it, he was shafted by the club.

Pulis has had 2 transfer windows plus a pre-season and people are still saying we shouldn't be judging him yet!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 15, 2015, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: Do I not like Wolves on September 15, 2015, 05:43:01 PM
The thought of playing entertaining football and losing 4-3 every week a la Mowbray fills me with horror.
This never happened of course, but keeps being trotted out to try to justify a Pulis borefest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 15, 2015, 06:06:38 PM
Mel never had the opportunity for a pre-season or a transfer window in which to sign players to suit his preferred style, so you have no grounds for such a statement with regard to him. Whichever way you look at it, he was shafted by the club.

Pulis has had 2 transfer windows plus a pre-season and people are still saying we shouldn't be judging him yet!

Agree, people on here writing off Mel and Irvine as useless as an excuse for Pulis failings now despite them getting half the time and nowhere near the resources/control Pulis has and then turning round often in the same post saying we need to give Pulis more time before he can be judged.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 06:14:53 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 15, 2015, 06:09:49 PM
This never happened of course, but keeps being trotted out to try to justify a Pulis borefest.

Out of interest the only results from our PL season under Mowbray anywhere like that were a 3-2 defeat to Newcastle, a 4-2 to Man City and a 3-2 win against West Ham. We never lost a PL game 4-3 under Mowbray which is weird because I've read that we did it every week about 100 times over the last 9 months
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 15, 2015, 06:17:08 PM
after spending £30m there's no improvement on the team whatsoever, still no fullbacks still no creative midfield and still playing the useless gardner out wide. wouldn't be the least surprised if vaz te gets a start before sess if he gets a short term deal. the next head coach will need £60m to put this mess right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 15, 2015, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 15, 2015, 06:09:49 PM
This never happened of course, but keeps being trotted out to try to justify a Pulis borefest.

I think most of it is like life and moving jobs people are scared of the unknown and understandably so.

I'm sure it will get better than last Saturday but say if that was the norm I would prefer we played spectacle wise in the league below.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 06:53:56 PM
If we lose saturday will all these pulis lovers still be sticking up for him?

If we win Saturday and win by playing well and deserve the victory i will lay off the bloke. I cant see it though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 15, 2015, 07:03:41 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 01:11:24 PM
The football is no worse than it was this time last year. If Roy was manager and not Pulis you'd all be lapping it up. Mind boggles.
If Irvine was manager and not Pulis you'd be screaming for his head. :P This time last year we were on the same amount of points.
In matches this season, against teams of 11, we have yet to get into double figures on the shot count and above 36% possession.
During last summers transfer window our head coach identified a requirement for fast, attacking full backs, a quality centre half, a midfield playmaker, international wingers and additional firepower. This summer our coach has identified we need more defenders, more defensive midfielders, some "big" men up front and was prepared to let, arguably, our most talented player leave. One is generally recognised as incompetent  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 15, 2015, 07:06:57 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 06:53:56 PM
If we lose saturday will all these pulis lovers still be sticking up for him?

If we win Saturday and win by playing well and deserve the victory i will lay off the bloke. I cant see it though.
There's not many Pulis lovers just some who give a bit more paitence towards him in the thought the squad needs rebuilding and time to gel, , make no mistake if we get a Watford/Saints performance again a lot including myself will be annoyed.
Whatever the result i hope for a much better performance .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 15, 2015, 07:15:08 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 06:53:56 PM
If we lose saturday will all these pulis lovers still be sticking up for him?

If we win Saturday and win by playing well and deserve the victory i will lay off the bloke. I cant see it though.

Not a Pulis lover by any means but even if we lose Saturday I won't be screaming for his head, i'll be gutted, drunk off, probably angry as well but for me its a long term job, performances have to improve but i'm patient and after the last few coaches who in some cases were out of their depth massively we need some stability for a spell and maybe a bit of back to basics to start again.

I just wish we could fast forward 2 years or so, have had a total clearout of players, Pulis leaves us on a solid foundation for someone to take us on.

I don't think sacking him now is the answer as who is out there ? Sam Allardyce and Gus Poyet the two main ones who will be linked and the other problem is you sack a coach every 6-12 months you get a reputation as we already have.

I honestly think that whilst Peace is here then Pulis will be also unless he walks for whatever reason and if that happens and we go back to untried/ untested/ out of their depth coaches then whats the point ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 07:16:23 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 15, 2015, 07:03:41 PM
If Irvine was manager and not Pulis you'd be screaming for his head. :P This time last year we were on the same amount of points.
In matches this season, against teams of 11, we have yet to get into double figures on the shot count and above 36% possession.
During last summers transfer window our head coach identified a requirement for fast, attacking full backs, a quality centre half, a midfield playmaker, international wingers and additional firepower. This summer our coach has identified we need more defenders, more defensive midfielders, some "big" men up front and was prepared to let, arguably, our most talented player leave. One is generally recognised as incompetent  ;)

I wouldn't at all. If Irvine was playing this football, getting these results, seeming like he had any idea what he was doing I would be fine, it was exactly the opposite why I couldn't accept him. As to your laundry list of transfer targets, Lescott and the woeful Gardner aside they all failed. (9 signings in all wasn't it? Varela bombed out due to "fitness", Blanco bombed out, Samaras bombed out, Gamboa bombed out due to Irvine considering WISDOM let that sink in WISDOM a better option, Ideye bombed out due to "fitness".)

Lets see where TP's signings are 12 months down the line. With the exception of possibly McClean who in his limited appearances doesn't look up to much, all in and around the first team I would guess.

Quote from: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 06:53:56 PM
If we lose saturday will all these pulis lovers still be sticking up for him?

If we win Saturday and win by playing well and deserve the victory i will lay off the bloke. I cant see it though.

I can't base opinion around one game, if we lose again to Vile we lose, it'll be harder to take than a normal defeat but that's it. You obviously can, what if we go down to 9 men ala Stoke but play well and lose?

Football is a sport that can rear up and kick you in the teeth, I know I was at Man City last year and any already tenuous hope of a result was gone within 3 minutes of kick off.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 15, 2015, 07:21:41 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 06:53:56 PM
If we lose saturday will all these pulis lovers still be sticking up for him?

If we win Saturday and win by playing well and deserve the victory i will lay off the bloke. I cant see it though.

I won't change my mind, I don't like the man's philosophies, style and fundamentally how he manages a football club.  It will take more than one victory to win me over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 15, 2015, 07:26:58 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 05:53:54 PM
Then after 10 games are you going to say we were right. Then you will be eating pie.

No I wont say that because nobody knows how long it's going to take but not after bloody 6 games come on, be reasonable
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 07:31:51 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 15, 2015, 07:15:08 PM
Not a Pulis lover by any means but even if we lose Saturday I won't be screaming for his head, i'll be gutted, drunk off, probably angry as well but for me its a long term job, performances have to improve but i'm patient and after the last few coaches who in some cases were out of their depth massively we need some stability for a spell and maybe a bit of back to basics to start again.

I just wish we could fast forward 2 years or so, have had a total clearout of players, Pulis leaves us on a solid foundation for someone to take us on.

I don't think sacking him now is the answer as who is out there ? Sam Allardyce and Gus Poyet the two main ones who will be linked and the other problem is you sack a coach every 6-12 months you get a reputation as we already have.

I honestly think that whilst Peace is here then Pulis will be also unless he walks for whatever reason and if that happens and we go back to untried/ untested/ out of their depth coaches then whats the point ?

Pulis is never going to leave us on a solid foundation even if we finish 14th for the next 3 years. This is because the first thing any coach will have to to do is re address the massive imbalance in the squad that Pulis will leave behind and effectively start from scratch. Hopefully they can do that quickly and successfully otherwise we will be in exact same position we were in for the last 2 seasons with just 2/3 years of sh*t football in between.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on September 15, 2015, 07:33:59 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 05:50:25 PM
You know it's possible to play entertaining football and not automatically lose every week? It's lazy comment repeated on here countless time's whenever anyone says they dont like his style
The only time in nearly50 years of following Albion that we have played swashbuckling football in the top flight with any consistency was under Atkinson. Allen,Clarke and Hodgsoon for a while gave us some steel which is whatTP is doing now and thus creating a platform for the future. Most Stokies I have spoken to would have him back tomorrow purely for that reason. I am happy to grind out results and stay in the greed league whilst rivals yoyo without any sustained finance in place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 07:35:50 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on September 15, 2015, 07:26:58 PM
No I wont say that because nobody knows how long it's going to take but not after bloody 6 games come on, be reasonable

That's the second time you have said that. You are aware he has been here 9 months?

He's the 12th longest serving manager in the league.

I'll ask again. What makes you think he will change his playing style next week, month or season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 07:38:25 PM
Quote from: Do I not like Wolves on September 15, 2015, 07:33:59 PM
The only time in nearly50 years of following Albion that we have played swashbuckling football in the top flight with any consistency was under Atkinson. Allen,Clarke and Hodgsoon for a while gave us some steel which is whatTP is doing now and thus creating a platform for the future. Most Stokies I have spoken to would have him back tomorrow purely for that reason. I am happy to grind out results and stay in the greed league whilst rivals yoyo without any sustained finance in place.

No way most Stoke fans want him back. A small number might do, a much larger number fully respect him and think he did a very good job there (which he did) but they certainly do not want him back. He was basically sacked because the fans had enough of watching his football every week.

It's like saying most Albion fans would want Megson back. We can all appreciate him and love him for what he did but I'm sure most wouldn't want him back in charge now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 15, 2015, 07:40:39 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 07:31:51 PM
Pulis is never going to leave us on a solid foundation even if we finish 14th for the next 3 years. This is because the first thing any coach will have to to do is re address the massive imbalance in the squad that Pulis will leave behind and effectively start from scratch. Hopefully they can do that quickly and successfully otherwise we will be in exact same position we were in for the last 2 seasons with just 2/3 years of sh*t football in between.

He left Stoke in a decent position didn't he ? Mark Hughes started with many of Pulis's players and then this season started to change it around and they're not doing to good.

There is an imbalance in this squad and has been for a good while. You can't do it all in one go so he's started at the back (cue the fullbacks argument even though Brunt and Dawson are doing decent jobs there). We are close to our budget so to do more we have to remove players off the wage bill, problem is no-one wants any of them which is why the sale of Berahino would have helped until Spurs decided to try and get him without a decent outlay and it scuppered the lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on September 15, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 07:38:25 PM
No way most Stoke fans want him back. A small number might do, a much larger number fully respect him and think he did a very good job there (which he did) but they certainly do not want him back. He was basically sacked because the fans had enough of watching his football every week.

It's like saying most Albion fans would want Megson back. We can all appreciate him and love him for what he did but I'm sure most wouldn't want him back in charge now.
Have you seen the table? Hughes is under real pressure given the money he has spent and Stoke fans are not happy with no wins under their belts. I certainly would not swap Hughes for Pulis and if Stoke stay in the bottom most Stoke fans would jump at the stability Pulis brings
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 15, 2015, 07:40:39 PM
He left Stoke in a decent position didn't he ? Mark Hughes started with many of Pulis's players and then this season started to change it around and they're not doing to good.

There is an imbalance in this squad and has been for a good while. You can't do it all in one go so he's started at the back (cue the fullbacks argument even though Brunt and Dawson are doing decent jobs there). We are close to our budget so to do more we have to remove players off the wage bill, problem is no-one wants any of them which is why the sale of Berahino would have helped until Spurs decided to try and get him without a decent outlay and it scuppered the lot.

But the defence was arguably the one area that didn't need strengthening. Yes we lacked a bit of pace but the way we defend it wasn't essential.

We have spent £16m on a defence that certainly didn't need £16m spending on it (and somehow still have no full backs. Incredible) Spent £15m on 2 big strong CF's who will be able to win a few headers that are hoofed there way (while Pulis attempted to flog our best player) and spent £0 on pacey/creativity in the middle which was the one area that urgently needed adressing.

The fact Pulis feels it's more important to have a £8m defender as back up but is happy to see a Garnder/Fletcher/Yacob midfield speaks volumes
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 15, 2015, 07:47:06 PM
I agree at this momemt in time there is noone out there to replace tony pulis. The only name i can think of is Glenn Hoddle, but even then its a gamble.

We need more positive football, we need something to give us a glimmer of hope.

It starts by picking a balanced team, every 2pm when i see the team its like a kick in the balls.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 15, 2015, 07:50:00 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2015, 07:16:23 PM
I wouldn't at all. If Irvine was playing this football, getting these results, seeming like he had any idea what he was doing I would be fine, it was exactly the opposite why I couldn't accept him. As to your laundry list of transfer targets, Lescott and the woeful Gardner aside they all failed. (9 signings in all wasn't it? Varela bombed out due to "fitness", Blanco bombed out, Samaras bombed out, Gamboa bombed out due to Irvine considering WISDOM let that sink in WISDOM a better option, Ideye bombed out due to "fitness".)

Lets see where TP's signings are 12 months down the line. With the exception of possibly McClean who in his limited appearances doesn't look up to much, all in and around the first team I would guess.

I can't base opinion around one game, if we lose again to Vile we lose, it'll be harder to take than a normal defeat but that's it. You obviously can, what if we go down to 9 men ala Stoke but play well and lose?

Football is a sport that can rear up and kick you in the teeth, I know I was at Man City last year and any already tenuous hope of a result was gone within 3 minutes of kick off.
And like our recruitment team... bombed out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 07:50:25 PM
Quote from: Do I not like Wolves on September 15, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
Have you seen the table? Hughes is under real pressure given the money he has spent and Stoke fans are not happy with no wins under their belts. I certainly would not swap Hughes for Pulis and if Stoke stay in the bottom most Stoke fans would jump at the stability Pulis brings

So are we judging managers after 6 games or not then? Hard to keep track of when we can and can't form an opinion of someone at this stage of the season. You also seem to be conveniently forgetting Hughes/Stoke over all of last season and judging him solely after 6 games. Something other posters are criticising us for despite the points being valid for 9 months.

Firstly, I would swap Stokes squad for ours in a heartbeat

Secondly as the previous poster said about Hughes having problems trying to change the squad and move away from Pulis, thats the exact point I'm making. Pulis may give us safety for 3 seasons but whoever comes in will have a rebuilding job much bigger than the one Pulis had when he took over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 15, 2015, 07:55:29 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 07:46:04 PM
But the defence was arguably the one area that didn't need strengthening. Yes we lacked a bit of pace but the way we defend it wasn't essential.

We have spent £16m on a defence that certainly didn't need £16m spending on it (and somehow still have no full backs. Incredible) Spent £15m on 2 big strong CF's who will be able to win a few headers that are hoofed there way (while Pulis attempted to flog our best player) and spent £0 on pacey/creativity in the middle which was the one area that urgently needed adressing.

The fact Pulis feels it's more important to have a £8m defender as back up but is happy to see a Garnder/Fletcher/Yacob midfield speaks volumes

It needed changing to get a younger, quicker player in there and Jonny Evans replacing Olsson is something that should have been done at least 12 months ago, those much maligned full backs have done a pretty good job in the clean sheets we've picked up under Pulis so thats not a desperate area. I can see Chester coming in at some stage as a replacement for McAuley but for now having an international partnership (plus Brunt) is not too bad.

Up front, if we had signed Lambert 12 months ago everyone would be saying what a great signing but as he's spent 12 months picking splinters out of his backside and hasn't had much football its suddenly an awful signing, time will tell if it works or not but I think yes it will, decent player needs time to adjust and more importantly games.

Rondon a player I saw a bit of for Malaga can score goals so bit more than just a "big man", again needs to adjust to this league before he gets written off as per usual.

Selling Saido ? not sure Pulis could win whatever he did, he needed the cash to bring others in and would have done if Spurs hadn't acted like complete bellwhiffs throughout.

Then the window closed and the players all cleared off on international duty so how much time did he have with all those players together ?

No he's not perfect and there are things such as the creativity in the middle that I want to see brought in but thats something that Pulis himself has said needs working on so its not as though he's coming out after games bleating about the "positives we can take" is he ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 15, 2015, 08:13:01 PM
I wanted Mel to stay and thought he was shafted. I moaned on about it too.
Then I wanted Irvine (nice bloke) out because I thought he was clueless.

I'm trying to be patient with Pulis; the results are actually there, kind of - given that we have played Citeh and Chelski and still come out with 5 points from 5 games. Sounds good but as know it's looked like poo.

Point is if we don't give him a complete season we'll have painted ourselves into a corner. No one would want that job, it's a bleeding revolving door!

Probably it's going to be a rubbish season to watch. He will keep us up. At which point - if it isn't setting the footballing world on fire - we could attract someone else, methinks.

I'm still hanging on some hope that it starts to gel. I don't expect it. I just hope it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on September 15, 2015, 08:38:07 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 07:50:25 PM
So are we judging managers after 6 games or not then? Hard to keep track of when we can and can't form an opinion of someone at this stage of the season. You also seem to be conveniently forgetting Hughes/Stoke over all of last season and judging him solely after 6 games. Something other posters are criticising us for despite the points being valid for 9 months.

Firstly, I would swap Stokes squad for ours in a heartbeat

Secondly as the previous poster said about Hughes having problems trying to change the squad and move away from Pulis, thats the exact point I'm making. Pulis may give us safety for 3 seasons but whoever comes in will have a rebuilding job much bigger than the one Pulis had when he took over.
So based on that Stoke should be above us in the table. We have had a harder start and yet they are below us  with a better squad and a better manager in your eyes. Something is not ringing true. I think if TP was in charge of Stoke with that squad they would be top half.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 08:52:55 PM
Your judging after 5 games? There start has been near identical to ours so I'm not sure why you think ours has been harder.

Lets nor forget if 2 of their players don't have a brain fade they are in our position now and we are bottom of the league.

I'll happily have a bet with anyone right now that in May the average Stoke fan is happier than the average Albion fan.

Not sure why you think Pulis could get that team top half either. He couldn't manage it with a massive spend building the exact squad he wanted over 5 years. In fact I'd have good money on Stoke going down if Pulis took over today as he wouldn't have a clue how to manage the team Stoke have now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 15, 2015, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 15, 2015, 08:52:55 PM
Your judging after 5 games? There start has been near identical to ours so I'm not sure why you think ours has been harder.

Lets nor forget if 2 of their players don't have a brain fade they are in our position now and we are bottom of the league.

I'll happily have a bet with anyone right now that in May the average Stoke fan is happier than the average Albion fan.

Not sure why you think Pulis could get that team top half either. He couldn't manage it with a massive spend building the exact squad he wanted over 5 years. In fact I'd have good money on Stoke going down if Pulis took over today as he wouldn't have a clue how to manage the team Stoke have now.

I think that's a real issue I have with Pulis. His belligerence and unwillingness to progress tactically.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 15, 2015, 09:02:30 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 15, 2015, 07:55:29 PM
It needed changing to get a younger, quicker player in there and Jonny Evans replacing Olsson is something that should have been done at least 12 months ago, those much maligned full backs have done a pretty good job in the clean sheets we've picked up under Pulis so thats not a desperate area. I can see Chester coming in at some stage as a replacement for McAuley but for now having an international partnership (plus Brunt) is not too bad.

Up front, if we had signed Lambert 12 months ago everyone would be saying what a great signing but as he's spent 12 months picking splinters out of his backside and hasn't had much football its suddenly an awful signing, time will tell if it works or not but I think yes it will, decent player needs time to adjust and more importantly games.

Rondon a player I saw a bit of for Malaga can score goals so bit more than just a "big man", again needs to adjust to this league before he gets written off as per usual.

Selling Saido ? not sure Pulis could win whatever he did, he needed the cash to bring others in and would have done if Spurs hadn't acted like complete bellwhiffs throughout.

Then the window closed and the players all cleared off on international duty so how much time did he have with all those players together ?

No he's not perfect and there are things such as the creativity in the middle that I want to see brought in but thats something that Pulis himself has said needs working on so its not as though he's coming out after games bleating about the "positives we can take" is he ?
he doesn't help the creativity issue when he plays a midfield of fletcher yacob gardner and McLean, the last two shouldn't get in the starting line up and the other two shouldn't be played together. they get picked because they are defensive minded and work horses hence no creativity..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 15, 2015, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 15, 2015, 08:55:36 PM
I think that's a real issue I have with Pulis. His belligerence and unwillingness to progress tactically.

I do agree with this and I'm a Pulis fan. I think he's certainly a good enough manager to produce a team that's better going forward but he prefers his tried and tested ways which is fair enough because it's been successful for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 15, 2015, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 15, 2015, 09:02:30 PM
he doesn't help the creativity issue when he plays a midfield of fletcher yacob gardner and McLean, the last two shouldn't get in the starting line up and the other two shouldn't be played together. they get picked because they are defensive minded and work horses hence no creativity..

I have said I want to see more creativity and that is the only issue I have with him. I wouldn't have signed McClean as I don't rate him, never have done. They probably get picked as he feels he can trust them, its something I would like the local media to ask him along with why Pocognoli hasn't featured but none seem prepared to ask anything other than bog dtandard questions these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on September 15, 2015, 11:59:25 PM
To be honest, I'm not a big fan of TP - never have been. I just don't ascribe to his personal football philosophy. I'm Irish, and we had Trappatoni in charge of our national team and he held/holds the same beliefs as TP, and it was bloody awful under him. Embarrassing.
However....HOWEVER....i actually think TP could turn this around quickly with just a small bit of kop-on a a few tweaks to his system.
I think we'll have to accept that he is permanently wedded to the Yacob/Fletcher partnership, so whether we like it or hate, we have to accept that, in the immediate future, we are going to have a back 4 of Dawson/Evans/McCauley/Brunt.  Tbf, its not a bad back 4. Dawson is improving, and Brunt has been decent so far this season.
Allowing for the 2 "stoppers" sitting in front of the back 4 ( Yacob/Fletcher), then thats 6 defensive outfield players TP will have fielded.
All he needs to do then is swallow his pride, pick Morrison as the playmaker in a "front 4 diamond", with Rondon at the tip of it, and then take your pick for the 2 wide men from Callum/Saido/Granby/Sess/McClean.
If he could just tweak it towrds this set-up, I dont think we'd be far off getting the balance between what TP believes in, and what the majority of fans would like to see which is us having a go, while keeping it tight at the same time. If Morrison got injured, I would put Brunt as the playmaker in the diamond.
The balance is just all wrong at the moment, but i truly believe we arent that far off from getting it right. Over to you, TP !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on September 16, 2015, 12:24:08 AM
I am afraid I am in the negative camp, and go along with a lot of what Astle68 says. So much so, I have been to just one game and was thoroughly bored (Port Yale). We have scored three goals in  nine and a half hours this season, only one of which when the opposition had a full team on the pitch. I have seen the amusing blog from Villa about our new signing (another double decker bus), and that is how we are now perceived. We play the ugliest football in the premier league, probably all four divisions, and the fans that do go to games seem to boo the team off at half time and full time.
Pulis is the most ill fitting appointment since Bobby Gould, and Ron Saunders before that. Look what happened to the club following those two appointments.
I am adopting the approach made to Wimbledon in their heyday, and following it on teletext (ok, the internet). Sadly , I do not miss it one bit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 16, 2015, 09:08:57 AM
I do not think for a minute that this team is incapable of playing more progressive football and under any other coach apart from Allardyce they would be. There are plenty of flair players in the squad and there are tactical options which would combine the defensive solidity with deploying players like Gnabry Berahino McManaman Morrison and even Sessegnon. The plain fact is that he doesn't adopt those tactical options it is not in his nature.

As for the notion that current Stoke squad they would be top half of the league under Pulis it is a nonsense because  he would not have signed virtually any of their newer arrivals, lets face it they have something really strange in the Potteries these days I think they are called full backs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on September 16, 2015, 10:15:34 AM
Empty seats at home and away will take their toll eventually.

The fear factor of losing because of all the stupid money in the prem is killing attacking flair football stone dead.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 16, 2015, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: miggybaggy on September 16, 2015, 10:15:34 AM
Empty seats at home and away will take their toll eventually.

The fear factor of losing because of all the stupid money in the prem is killing attacking flair football stone dead.

Not on the revenue stream it wont.
Ticket money means very little financially to the club.
As some one pointed out to me the other day, if you buy a season ticket for the next 50 years you wouldn't pay a weeks wages to one of our players  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 16, 2015, 11:07:42 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 16, 2015, 10:52:31 AM
Not on the revenue stream it wont.
Ticket money means very little financially to the club.
As some one pointed out to me the other day, if you buy a season ticket for the next 50 years you wouldn't pay a weeks wages to one of our players  :o

Pretty much that is an incredible stat.

I think our support will die down unfortunately especially if things remain the same after Christmas I think it will get to a point were people will pick a few games a season and do them mainly the appealing away fixtures. You have your 600 or so fans that will go everywhere no matter what and then a thousand tops added onto that is my prediction in the future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 16, 2015, 12:22:59 PM
Empty seat may not affect the club financially but without the cheering on by the crowd, the team will more than likely become less effective.
Less effective means a fall in ability and wanting to perform which may effect whether we stay in the Prem or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on September 16, 2015, 12:27:07 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on September 16, 2015, 12:22:59 PM
Empty seat may not affect the club financially but without the cheering on by the crowd, the team will more than likely become less effective.
Less effective means a fall in ability and wanting to perform which may effect whether we stay in the Prem or not.

Less people boo'ing though, positive effect!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 16, 2015, 12:32:17 PM
Our entire matchday income of about £7m covers roughly 4 players wages so financially  a decline in support hurts but nowhere near as much as losing the Premier League TV Money.

Obviously if our support starts to decline there will be less to spend on players and a half empty Hawthorns with a flat atmosphere does little to encourage potential purchasers. As such if fans stayed away in their droves and the quality of the football was seen to be the key reason then I am sure Pulis would be shown the door but it won't happen overnight.

I am genuinely torn at the moment I don't want to give up supporting my team just because everything at the club is not as I would like it to be but I don't look forward to watching the football at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 16, 2015, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: Do I not like Wolves on September 15, 2015, 08:38:07 PM
So based on that Stoke should be above us in the table. We have had a harder start and yet they are below us  with a better squad and a better manager in your eyes. Something is not ringing true. I think if TP was in charge of Stoke with that squad they would be top half.

We could judge on the first 5 games of the season and say TP could get Stoke into the top half or you could look at the fact TP never got his Stoke side in the top 10 despite having the 4th highest net spend in the league during those years.

By the way since Mark Hughes took over from Pulis Stoke have had two top 10 finishes, 9th in the 13/14 season and 9th in the 14/15 season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on September 16, 2015, 01:24:50 PM
I can't believe people are actually moaning about Pulis considering the start Albion have had.

0-3 v City : Poor performance but City have been absolutely superb in the league so far. I don't think too many people expected anything from this game, anyway.

0-0 v Watford: Good, solid defensive display from the players and an away point is always good.

2-3 v Chelsea: Had a right go at the reigning league champions

1-0 v Stoke : 3 points at the Britannia is a massive result.

0-0 v Southampton: A point against a good side with another great defensive display.

That's 4 clean sheets from 6 (if you count the Vale game as well). Fantastic start. If you'd given it to Mourinho at the start of the season, he'd have taken it in a heartbeat.

Now hopefully Pulis can frustrate Sherwood at Villa Park as well and grind out a point. (or 3!). That'd be brilliant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on September 16, 2015, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 16, 2015, 01:24:50 PM
I can't believe people are actually moaning about Pulis considering the start Albion have had.

0-3 v City : Poor performance but City have been absolutely superb in the league so far. I don't think too many people expected anything from this game, anyway.

0-0 v Watford: Good, solid defensive display from the players and an away point is always good.

2-3 v Chelsea: Had a right go at the reigning league champions

1-0 v Stoke : 3 points at the Britannia is a massive result.

0-0 v Southampton: A point against a good side with another great defensive display.

That's 4 clean sheets from 6 (if you count the Vale game as well). Fantastic start. If you'd given it to Mourinho at the start of the season, he'd have taken it in a heartbeat.

Now hopefully Pulis can frustrate Sherwood at Villa Park as well and grind out a point. (or 3!). That'd be brilliant.

I respect your opinion and yes, our points total is better than others below us. BUT, I'm wondering if there is a generation gap thing going on here? Are you a youngster? I'm 56 and I've seen all sorts of highs and lows with the baggies.....and for me this season has been absolutely awful so far. Is there a mind-set amongst younger supporters that staying up is the be-all-and-end-all? Serious question. Apologies if I've offended anyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 16, 2015, 02:09:31 PM
The points total is satisfactory but can we not be entertained as well...even just a little bit? Chelsea is the only game where I've felt entertained and left the ground relatively satisfied even though we lost.

I think Pulis is the right man for us but I'm not enjoying the football being played.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 16, 2015, 02:35:21 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 16, 2015, 01:24:50 PM
I can't believe people are actually moaning about Pulis considering the start Albion have had.

0-3 v City : Poor performance but City have been absolutely superb in the league so far. I don't think too many people expected anything from this game, anyway.

0-0 v Watford: Good, solid defensive display from the players and an away point is always good.

2-3 v Chelsea: Had a right go at the reigning league champions

1-0 v Stoke : 3 points at the Britannia is a massive result.

0-0 v Southampton: A point against a good side with another great defensive display.

That's 4 clean sheets from 6 (if you count the Vale game as well). Fantastic start. If you'd given it to Mourinho at the start of the season, he'd have taken it in a heartbeat.

Results have been satisfactory but performances haven't.

Man City, woeful but to be expected.
Chelsea, best performance for me, result to be expected.
Port Vale, scraped through against lower league opposition, woeful performance.
Stoke, not going to give us too many props for us beating a team of 9 men 1-0, woeful performance.
Southampton, another woeful performance.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 16, 2015, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 16, 2015, 01:24:50 PM
I can't believe people are actually moaning about Pulis considering the start Albion have had.

0-3 v City : Poor performance but City have been absolutely superb in the league so far. I don't think too many people expected anything from this game, anyway.

0-0 v Watford: Good, solid defensive display from the players and an away point is always good.

2-3 v Chelsea: Had a right go at the reigning league champions

1-0 v Stoke : 3 points at the Britannia is a massive result.

0-0 v Southampton: A point against a good side with another great defensive display.

That's 4 clean sheets from 6 (if you count the Vale game as well). Fantastic start. If you'd given it to Mourinho at the start of the season, he'd have taken it in a heartbeat.

Now hopefully Pulis can frustrate Sherwood at Villa Park as well and grind out a point. (or 3!). That'd be brilliant.

I may be wrong but I don't think anybody is moaning based on the last 6 games. People are moaning based on the last 6 games, the 6 months that preceded that and his previous 5 years at Stoke.

Based purely on 6 games of course he shouldn't be getting stick but it was just as bad last season when we were told to give him time and things would improve when he had his own players. Well now he has them and arguably the more 'Pulis' players we see and the greater his influence the worse the quality of football is getting.

If he had done this at Stoke but after a while began to progress the style and improve the football I'd happily give him time to do the same here, but there's absolute nothing to suggest this is going to happen.

If we win on Saturday of course the general mood will be lifted temporarily and a win against Villa is worth two wins against Sunderland/Palace in terms of the goodwill it will buy him but even if we do grind out a 2-0 this weekend I'm pretty sure that 2 or 3 weeks down the line the general feeling and conversation on here will b similar to what it is now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 16, 2015, 03:31:07 PM
I'm anti pulisball,

But (a massive but) with a new crop of players and needing to get some points on the board, would any of us start coaching a team to go out and play open attractive football??? hopefully no.
Would we start by shoring up the defence and becoming hard to beat???, hopefully yes,

the knub of the problem is (as coach / manager) when do you think Ok, they now have the organisation, they know the drills, we can now start to become more expansive.

I do think TP is a bloke who adopts a logical pragmatic approach to things,

I would suggest therefore, that logic dictates that you do this firstly in the cups and then in league at home, so i cling to the hope that we should shortly see TP taking the shackles off to a degree. If we are still performing in the current manner towards the end of the season we should part company at the end of the season.

thems my onions anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 16, 2015, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on September 15, 2015, 11:59:25 PM
To be honest, I'm not a big fan of TP - never have been. I just don't ascribe to his personal football philosophy. I'm Irish, and we had Trappatoni in charge of our national team and he held/holds the same beliefs as TP, and it was bloody awful under him. Embarrassing.
However....HOWEVER....i actually think TP could turn this around quickly with just a small bit of kop-on a a few tweaks to his system.
I think we'll have to accept that he is permanently wedded to the Yacob/Fletcher partnership, so whether we like it or hate, we have to accept that, in the immediate future, we are going to have a back 4 of Dawson/Evans/McCauley/Brunt.  Tbf, its not a bad back 4. Dawson is improving, and Brunt has been decent so far this season.
Allowing for the 2 "stoppers" sitting in front of the back 4 ( Yacob/Fletcher), then thats 6 defensive outfield players TP will have fielded.
All he needs to do then is swallow his pride, pick Morrison as the playmaker in a "front 4 diamond", with Rondon at the tip of it, and then take your pick for the 2 wide men from Callum/Saido/Granby/Sess/McClean.
If he could just tweak it towrds this set-up, I dont think we'd be far off getting the balance between what TP believes in, and what the majority of fans would like to see which is us having a go, while keeping it tight at the same time. If Morrison got injured, I would put Brunt as the playmaker in the diamond.
The balance is just all wrong at the moment, but i truly believe we arent that far off from getting it right. Over to you, TP !
Good post
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on September 16, 2015, 05:52:37 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 16, 2015, 02:35:21 PM
Results have been satisfactory but performances haven't.

Man City, woeful but to be expected.
Chelsea, best performance for me, result to be expected.
Port Vale, scraped through against lower league opposition, woeful performance.
Stoke, not going to give us too many props for us beating a team of 9 men 1-0, woeful performance.
Southampton, another woeful performance.

Pulis did what was needed to be done at Stoke. Bare minimum. Don't think it was as bad a performance you're making it out to be.

A point against Southamton is a decent result. Yes, offensively, West Brom were very poor, but they defended well and thoroughly deserved the draw. Far from a "woeful" performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 16, 2015, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 16, 2015, 05:52:37 PM
Pulis did what was needed to be done at Stoke. Bare minimum. Don't think it was as bad a performance you're making it out to be.

A point against Southamton is a decent result. Yes, offensively, West Brom were very poor, but they defended well and thoroughly deserved the draw. Far from a "woeful" performance.

I disagree - I think we were woeful against Southampton. They were nothing special and there for the taking, but our inability to string a couple of simple passes together, or even keep control of the ball, let alone supply anything to Rondon/Lambert/Berahino beggars belief. The only positive I saw on Saturday was that Jonny Evans seemed to fit in well in the defence. As some have pointed out, yet another clean sheet and thats good - but god were we rubbish!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Cleobury_WBA on September 16, 2015, 09:36:21 PM
Southampton was a dire game agreed, but I still think TP is the man for us at least until the end of this season. As others have said, if we sack another manager during the season it's not going to put us in a very good light again. I think once the new signings bed in we might see see a bit more attacking potency. I think Gnabry will be a key player for us when he gets fit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2015, 10:08:37 PM
Sacking Pulis is the absolute furthest thing from Peace's mind, aside from Wenger who is bulletproof, Alan Pardew and Gary Monk, Tone is probably the safest manager in the division.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 17, 2015, 02:11:38 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2015, 10:08:37 PM
Sacking Pulis is the absolute furthest thing from Peace's mind, aside from Wenger who is bulletproof, Alan Pardew and Gary Monk, Tone is probably the safest manager in the division.

That's correct, for the simple reason our board has proven itself utterly dreadful at appointing head coaches etc. for some time now. They are praying/betting that Pulis, with his no relegation trick, will save them from their own incompetence when it comes to football matters.

Tony Pulis may be a perfect fit for Peace since Pulis will always take the safety first approach and play for the 0-0. That mindset is simply natural to TP and it also happens to protect JP's investment.

However, Tony Pulis is hardly the most inspiring choice for fans of football so nevermind that the fit is poor there.

Pulis will end up getting us nowhere. After a few years and untold millons spent we will simply be a mirror image of Pulis' approach. One dimensional, rigid and predictable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 17, 2015, 06:21:53 AM
Quote from: GrGr on September 17, 2015, 02:11:38 AM
That's correct, for the simple reason our board has proven itself utterly dreadful at appointing head coaches etc. for some time now. They are praying/betting that Pulis, with his no relegation trick, will save them from their own incompetence when it comes to football matters.

Tony Pulis may be a perfect fit for Peace since Pulis will always take the safety first approach and play for the 0-0. That mindset is simply natural to TP and it also happens to protect JP's investment.

However, Tony Pulis is hardly the most inspiring choice for fans of football so nevermind that the fit is poor there

Pulis will end up getting us nowhere. After a few years and untold millons spent we will simply be a mirror image of Pulis' approach. One dimensional, rigid and predictable.
.  Good post, JP I am sure sees TP as someone who can protect his investment. There will be no managerial change at least until there is a change of ownership no mstter how boring the football becomes, our voices could for little these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 17, 2015, 08:54:16 AM
Quote from: GrGr on September 17, 2015, 02:11:38 AM
Pulis will end up getting us nowhere. After a few years and untold millons spent we will simply be a mirror image of Pulis' approach. One dimensional, rigid and predictable.

If his game plan is so easy to predict, how come these highly qualified opposition managers & coaches haven't worked out a formula to crack it on a regular basis?

Alan Irvine was one dimensional with never having a plan B or any an idea how to change a game in his favour. Pepe Mel was rigid in stupidly trying to play a high line with the slow defenders. Tony Mowbray was predictable in thinking he could come up and out pass every team in the league without spending any money on the defense. Yet Pulis and his 'boring' ways worked season in and season out...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 17, 2015, 09:07:35 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on September 17, 2015, 08:54:16 AM
If his game plan is so easy to predict, how come these highly qualified opposition managers & coaches haven't worked out a formula to crack it on a regular basis?

Alan Irvine was one dimensional with never having a plan B or any an idea how to change a game in his favour. Pepe Mel was rigid in stupidly trying to play a high line with the slow defenders. Tony Mowbray was predictable in thinking he could come up and out pass every team in the league without spending any money on the defense. Yet Pulis and his 'boring' ways worked season in and season out...

But your arguing against a point nobody is making. Since the day he was appointed I don't think I've ever seen anyone criticise the results he gets. However the way he gets them makes peoples eyes bleed. Results have nothing to do with the reasons people have had enough of Pulis.

Most people (even people who support his methods) will freely admit Pulis is the most one dimensional manager in the league. Barcelona are one of the most one dimensional teams in Europe but just because you know what they are going to do it doesn't mean you can stop them doing it (possibly the first time a Pulis side has been likened to Barcelona).

You say yourself his ways work season in season out but they are boring and that's where the problem lies.

I would also throw in the mix that if his methods are so successful then why is his league finishing positions over the past 3/4 years so poor in comparison to the money he spends to achieve them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 17, 2015, 09:12:04 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on September 17, 2015, 08:54:16 AM
If his game plan is so easy to predict, how come these highly qualified opposition managers & coaches haven't worked out a formula to crack it on a regular basis?

Alan Irvine was one dimensional with never having a plan B or any an idea how to change a game in his favour. Pepe Mel was rigid in stupidly trying to play a high line with the slow defenders. Tony Mowbray was predictable in thinking he could come up and out pass every team in the league without spending any money on the defense. Yet Pulis and his 'boring' ways worked season in and season out...

Why does a stoke fan seem to know how we have been playing for the past 2-3 years?

Are you really a stoke fan or not?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 17, 2015, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on September 17, 2015, 08:54:16 AM
If his game plan is so easy to predict, how come these highly qualified opposition managers & coaches haven't worked out a formula to crack it on a regular basis?

Alan Irvine was one dimensional with never having a plan B or any an idea how to change a game in his favour. Pepe Mel was rigid in stupidly trying to play a high line with the slow defenders. Tony Mowbray was predictable in thinking he could come up and out pass every team in the league without spending any money on the defense. Yet Pulis and his 'boring' ways worked season in and season out...

There isn't a game plan against 10 defenders and a goal keeper.
It's just a case of keep chipping away and hope the defenders lose concentration.
In some cases we've dragged the teams we're playing against down to our level.
Dress it up any way you want, as a footballing spectacle it's appauling if you just want to see your team grind out 40 -48 points a season Tones yeah man.
Personally I've been a season ticket holder for over 20 years but will think seriously next year before renewing if we keep this up. Win lose or draw
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 17, 2015, 10:02:52 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 17, 2015, 09:12:04 AM
Why does a stoke fan seem to know how we have been playing for the past 2-3 years?

Are you really a stoke fan or not?

Its really quite easy, same as I know how Stoke have been playing for the last 2-3 years.

its called watching football matches.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 17, 2015, 10:08:21 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on September 17, 2015, 10:02:52 AM
Its really quite easy, same as I know how Stoke have been playing for the last 2-3 years.

its called watching football matches.

Thanks for the patronisation.

So you know in depth how stoke have been playing for the past 2-3 years.

And yes i do watch football matches, but i also have a life too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 17, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on September 17, 2015, 08:54:16 AM
If his game plan is so easy to predict, how come these highly qualified opposition managers & coaches haven't worked out a formula to crack it on a regular basis?

Alan Irvine was one dimensional with never having a plan B or any an idea how to change a game in his favour. Pepe Mel was rigid in stupidly trying to play a high line with the slow defenders. Tony Mowbray was predictable in thinking he could come up and out pass every team in the league without spending any money on the defense. Yet Pulis and his 'boring' ways worked season in and season out...

Because the principle is that it is easier to destroy than to create. Any idiot can take a sledgehammer to a priceless work of art (say by Michelangelo). However no destructive idiot can create a work of art of that magnitude (apart from an amazing coincidence perhaps).

See?

It is easier to hoof than to hit a perfectly weighed pass. It is easier to put 11 men behind the ball than to try to play total football. It is easier to foul someone than to dribble past them. It is easier to play the percentages than it is to try and play creative football that assumes a high level of technical skill and intelligence on the part of the players. Pulis' natural inclination is towards the troglodyte end of the scale in footballing terms, rather than the Michelangelo end.

There is, however, no law in football (or in life) that says that the Michelangelos will always win over the Troglodytes (and that is a good thing). But to purposefully chose to be a Troglodyte because it is easier, SAFER and less of a challenge than to be a Michelangelo is in my eyes, boring.

I loved the 78 Albion team because they had passion, drive, skill, hunger, creativity and so on. Now, under Pulis, it's just... meh, whatever as much as anything. The only passion is not to lose, the only drive is fear of Pulis (and of falling out of the greed league), the only hunger is for more money, the only creativity is in new ways to neutralize the game and so on.

So, when will we finally and at long last see some football again? Because what we are served now is just so uninspiring, insipid and flat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 17, 2015, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 17, 2015, 09:12:04 AM
Why does a stoke fan seem to know how we have been playing for the past 2-3 years?

Are you really a stoke fan or not?

Sky Sports, BT Sports and BBC coverage mainly. The information is readily available if you're willing to listen to it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 17, 2015, 11:39:36 AM
One thing i constantly hear in defence of Pulisball is
"its a results driven business"

If that is true why do millions of people around the world turn up week in / week out to watch the contest?
Why don't they just read the results and revel in the fact that they drew 0-0 or won 1-0 in a dire performance? or riot because the played fantastically but lost.

I REALLY do not believe results are everything and I earnestly hope TP & JP get this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on September 17, 2015, 11:54:38 AM
People always have something to moan about. First it was JP not spending money now its because Pulis hasn't spent it well enough.

I swear people would moan if we were top of the league because we wouldn't be ahead by enough points  :-X

The problem with the people who are moaning is they need a dose of reality. This is about as good as it gets for us, slogging our way to 40 points each year. Thats not been unambitious that is looking at the situation realistically.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 17, 2015, 12:06:35 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 17, 2015, 11:39:36 AM
One thing i constantly hear in defence of Pulisball is
"its a results driven business"

If that is true why do millions of people around the world turn up week in / week out to watch the contest?
Why don't they just read the results and revel in the fact that they drew 0-0 or won 1-0 in a dire performance? or riot because the played fantastically but lost.

I REALLY do not believe results are everything and I earnestly hope TP & JP get this.

The reason why we as fans turn up every week in our thousands to support our chosen teams is because we have a perceived connection with our teams, we feel part of it somehow. We hope that we might see something special happen, I guess that's why we moan when we aren't entertained and feel like all our Christmas' have come at once when we (for example) beat our local rivals 1-5 or beat the champions or beat the big teams away. If the football is rubbish we say to ourselves oh well next time it will be better or something similar. Some of us get fed up with it and stop going some of us carry on going regardless in the eternal hope of being entertained...to be able to say I was there when so and so happened. I love the Albion  like many others and I will keep going as I don't want to miss one of those moments.

I understand why some have had enough though, even though I don't agree with them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 17, 2015, 12:21:25 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 17, 2015, 10:08:21 AM
Thanks for the patronisation.

So you know in depth how stoke have been playing for the past 2-3 years.

And yes i do watch football matches, but i also have a life too.

so you don't want people to be patronising to you but your quite willing to be patronising back?

And yes I know how well teams do and don't play, i watch a lot of football around my very rewarding life thanks.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 17, 2015, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from: WSBaggie on September 17, 2015, 11:54:38 AM
People always have something to moan about. First it was JP not spending money now its because Pulis hasn't spent it well enough.

I swear people would moan if we were top of the league because we wouldn't be ahead by enough points  :-X

The problem with the people who are moaning is they need a dose of reality. This is about as good as it gets for us, slogging our way to 40 points each year. Thats not been unambitious that is looking at the situation realistically.

On that basis we will eventually go the way of Wigan/Bolton/Charlton/Blackburn/Fulham, teams that slogged their way to survival each year, and can you see a common denominator amongst those teams?
Poor gates, we used to deride the fact that those teams were in the Prem and had such poor gates.
And the reason for that? Slogging to 40 points each year, the fans just got fed up with it, and I can only see the same happening here.
For entertainment value and a proper fan base give me those yo-yo years any time compared to what we've had the last 21/2 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 17, 2015, 12:55:53 PM
I think most fans know status wise this is as good as it gets and our aim each season is to get to 40 points and maybe have a cup run, i think the concern is how we go about it.

I think people know we have hit our limit thats why the entertainment factor gets more and more, i think if we had just come up or the 2nd season the way we are playing would of been okay, but into our 6th season, i think people expect some form of entertainment.

You dont have to be all out attack, but you also dont have to bore the crowd to tears to scrape points, there is a middle ground, hopefully Pulis is starting from the back and we will become more adventurous but i have a major nagging doubt that he wont and what we have seen so far is the future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 17, 2015, 01:01:14 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 17, 2015, 12:48:58 PM
On that basis we will eventually go the way of Wigan/Bolton/Charlton/Blackburn/Fulham, teams that slogged their way to survival each year, and can you see a common denominator amongst those teams?
Poor gates, we used to deride the fact that those teams were in the Prem and had such poor gates.
And the reason for that? Slogging to 40 points each year, the fans just got fed up with it, and I can only see the same happening here.
For entertainment value and a proper fan base give me those yo-yo years any time compared to what we've had the last 21/2 years.

common denominator = rich benefactor gone away?
Wigan- yes, Bolton - yes, Charlton - ???, Blackburn-yes, Fulham-yes !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 17, 2015, 01:15:06 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 17, 2015, 01:01:14 PM
common denominator = rich benefactor gone away?
Wigan- yes, Bolton - yes, Charlton - ???, Blackburn-yes, Fulham-yes !

Bolton's owner Edwin Davies has owned the club since 2003 and still does to my knowledge.

Fulham's rich benefactor was replaced by an even richer owner.

Charlton's demise had nothing to do with ownership, more to the sacking of AC and not replacing him sufficiently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 17, 2015, 01:20:03 PM
Its finding the right balance for me.

Under Hodgson we also knew wouldnt go down, we also knew some of the football wouldnt be the best but that we would compete but we also knew that there was quite a few games where we would go after teams and play some lovely stuff as we witnessed.

Im not a huge fan of Pulisball, the football is dreadful 90% of the time even if it is effective to gain points. I expect us to at least put some effort and style into the way we attack teams and not just concentrate on defending.

I think Pulis will stabilise us over the next 12 months but I dont see him being here in 2 years time as the fans are not going to enjoy watching the way we play most weeks.

Whoever comes in after him though is not going to have much trouble pleasing fans I reckon
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on September 17, 2015, 01:28:31 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on September 17, 2015, 01:20:03 PM
Its finding the right balance for me.

Under Hodgson we also knew wouldnt go down, we also knew some of the football wouldnt be the best but that we would compete but we also knew that there was quite a few games where we would go after teams and play some lovely stuff as we witnessed.

Im not a huge fan of Pulisball, the football is dreadful 90% of the time even if it is effective to gain points. I expect us to at least put some effort and style into the way we attack teams and not just concentrate on defending.

I think Pulis will stabilise us over the next 12 months but I dont see him being here in 2 years time as the fans are not going to enjoy watching the way we play most weeks.

Whoever comes in after him though is not going to have much trouble pleasing fans I reckon

I'm not sure the fans feelings will come into the equation. Whilst Peace is in charge, his main concern is retaining prem league status and keeping the prem league riches rolling in. If Pulis almost guarantees this, then Pulis will remain in charge!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 17, 2015, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 17, 2015, 01:15:06 PM
Bolton's owner Edwin Davies has owned the club since 2003 and still does to my knowledge.

Fulham's rich benefactor was replaced by an even richer owner.

Charlton's demise had nothing to do with ownership, more to the sacking of AC and not replacing him sufficiently.

TBH i thought Gartside owned the club, they are apparently £160m plus in debt and Davies is looking for an out alledgedly !

take the point on Charlton, amazing curbs hasn't worked since !

Fulham, maybe richer owner but then brought expensive players and loaned them out - weird!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 17, 2015, 01:39:03 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 17, 2015, 01:15:06 PM
Bolton's owner Edwin Davies has owned the club since 2003 and still does to my knowledge.

Fulham's rich benefactor was replaced by an even richer owner.

Charlton's demise had nothing to do with ownership, more to the sacking of AC and not replacing him sufficiently.

Bolton went massively in debt paying over the top wages to the superstar players they brought in.

Fulham were brought out by as you say an even richer benefactor who doesn't seem willing to invest.

Charlton suffered through over expectation of fans which ended up with Curbishley going, that worked out well for them and him didn't it.

Expectation of fans is the biggest problem for clubs like us especially when you don't have the mega rich owners behind it all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 17, 2015, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on September 17, 2015, 12:06:35 PM
The reason why we as fans turn up every week in our thousands to support our chosen teams is because we have a perceived connection with our teams, we feel part of it somehow. We hope that we might see something special happen, I guess that's why we moan when we aren't entertained and feel like all our Christmas' have come at once when we (for example) beat our local rivals 1-5 or beat the champions or beat the big teams away. If the football is rubbish we say to ourselves oh well next time it will be better or something similar. Some of us get fed up with it and stop going some of us carry on going regardless in the eternal hope of being entertained...to be able to say I was there when so and so happened. I love the Albion  like many others and I will keep going as I don't want to miss one of those moments.

I understand why some have had enough though, even though I don't agree with them.
Great post Hull
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 17, 2015, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 17, 2015, 01:01:14 PM
common denominator = rich benefactor gone away?
Wigan- yes, Bolton - yes, Charlton - ???, Blackburn-yes, Fulham-yes !

The common denominator I was infering was the fact that they were 'mid table' team that played staid boring football in the main.
The fans got fed up with it, much the same as the fans here will.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on September 17, 2015, 02:36:16 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 17, 2015, 12:48:58 PM
On that basis we will eventually go the way of Wigan/Bolton/Charlton/Blackburn/Fulham, teams that slogged their way to survival each year, and can you see a common denominator amongst those teams?
Poor gates, we used to deride the fact that those teams were in the Prem and had such poor gates.
And the reason for that? Slogging to 40 points each year, the fans just got fed up with it, and I can only see the same happening here.
For entertainment value and a proper fan base give me those yo-yo years any time compared to what we've had the last 21/2 years.

Of course we will eventually go the way of one of those teams. We aren't going to stay in the PL for the next 50 years. Fulham, Blackburn, Bolton were teams that were the apparent definition of been 'established'.

It's certain that 3 of 13 teams are going to go that way this season and if it's not the 3 promoted teams then it is going to be someone like ourselves, Newcastle, Sunderland, Villa etc...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 17, 2015, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 17, 2015, 09:12:04 AM
Why does a stoke fan seem to know how we have been playing for the past 2-3 years?

Are you really a stoke fan or not?

The sad thing is s/he talks more sense than a lot of our own fans...

Quote from: tuamigos on September 17, 2015, 12:48:58 PM
On that basis we will eventually go the way of Wigan/Bolton/Charlton/Blackburn/Fulham, teams that slogged their way to survival each year, and can you see a common denominator amongst those teams?
Poor gates, we used to deride the fact that those teams were in the Prem and had such poor gates.
And the reason for that? Slogging to 40 points each year, the fans just got fed up with it, and I can only see the same happening here.
For entertainment value and a proper fan base give me those yo-yo years any time compared to what we've had the last 21/2 years.

The only team you have mentioned who aimed for 40 points a season is Wigan, and they hardly slogged their way to those points with Martinez in charge?

Blackburn: 4th, 2nd, 1st, 7th, 13th (42 pts), 6th, 19th(R), -, -, 10th, 6th, 15th, 15th, 6th, 10th, 7th, 15th, 10th, 15th, 19th(R), -, -, -.
Bolton: -, -, -, 20th(R), -, 18th(R), -, -, -, 16th, 17th, 8th, 6th, 8th, 7th, 16th, 13th, 14th, 14th, 18th(R), -, -, -.
Charlton: -, -, -, -, -, - , 18th(R), -, 9th, 14th, 12th, 7th, 11th, 13th, 19th(R), -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -.
Fulham: -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, 13th, 14th, 9th, 13th, 12th, 16th, 17th, 7th, 12th, 8th, 9th, 12th, 19th(R), -.
Wigan: -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, 10th, 17th, 14th, 11th, 16th, 16th, 15th, 18th(R), -, -.

The only thing these 5 teams have in common is they are not in the Premier League.

Blackburn certainly are incomparable to ourselves, hugely bankrolled by a die hard fan they have only been absent from the division for 6 seasons since inception. In 98/99 they sacked Roy Hodgson and went from untried no.2 Brian Kidd it cost them a relegation. In 11/12 they had been taken over by Venky's installed Steve Kean (untried 1st team coach) as manager permanently after Sacking Sam Allardyce the season before and went down, they have not yet returned.

Bolton also were a much more successful PL team than we have been, there are some similarities though, like us it took them 3 promotions before they stayed up. In 2001 Allardyce got Bolton promoted via the play-offs they then went 11 consecutive seasons in the division. In May 2007 Allardyce quit the Reebok eventually joining Newcastle. Sammy Lee (untried number 2) was put in charge. Lee only lasted until October with Gary Megson steering them to safety. Megson had a 13th place finish before being forced out by supporters due to his perceived negative football (ring any bells?), Owen Coyle kept them up that year and the year after, but amidst rumours of huge debt they were relegated in 11/12. They have not been back.

Charlton are a different breed, they stayed in the Premier League at the 2nd attempt, and every successful season (6 of them) all came under the same manager Alan Curbishley, the two parted ways in 2006 and Charlton were relegated under Alan Pardew in 2007. Nothing like us and under Curbishley they were more than comfortable for 6 seasons.

Fulham were bank-rolled by Mo Al Fayed to the tune of 13 successive Premier League seasons, they were then sold on and relegated within a year.

If this particular bit of history tells us anything then there are two pieces of advice to take. 1. Don't lose Pulis (Allardyce x2, Megson, Curbishley); 2. Don't sell the club (Fulham, Blackburn).

Certainly nothing to do with attendances. The mistake would be for Peace to take any notice of this supposed mass of fans waiting to walk away if Pulis remains.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on September 17, 2015, 05:29:38 PM
Quote from: GrGr on September 17, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
Because the principle is that it is easier to destroy than to create. Any idiot can take a sledgehammer to a priceless work of art (say by Michelangelo). However no destructive idiot can create a work of art of that magnitude (apart from an amazing coincidence perhaps).

See?

It is easier to hoof than to hit a perfectly weighed pass. It is easier to put 11 men behind the ball than to try to play total football. It is easier to foul someone than to dribble past them. It is easier to play the percentages than it is to try and play creative football that assumes a high level of technical skill and intelligence on the part of the players. Pulis' natural inclination is towards the troglodyte end of the scale in footballing terms, rather than the Michelangelo end.

There is, however, no law in football (or in life) that says that the Michelangelos will always win over the Troglodytes (and that is a good thing). But to purposefully chose to be a Troglodyte because it is easier, SAFER and less of a challenge than to be a Michelangelo is in my eyes, boring.

I loved the 78 Albion team because they had passion, drive, skill, hunger, creativity and so on. Now, under Pulis, it's just... meh, whatever as much as anything. The only passion is not to lose, the only drive is fear of Pulis (and of falling out of the greed league), the only hunger is for more money, the only creativity is in new ways to neutralize the game and so on.

So, when will we finally and at long last see some football again? Because what we are served now is just so uninspiring, insipid and flat.

You need to realize that good defending is a skill which needs to appreciated; not termed as 'boring' by people like you.

'Pulisball' is as much an art as 'total football'. No one way of playing is superior to another. That's the beauty of the sport.

What you describe as "uninspiring, insipid and flat" requires immense organization and discipline, coupled with extremely high concentration levels.

It's not as easy as you think. Hours and hours need to be put in on the training ground to be able to keep the shape and structure for the full 90 minutes.

There are lots of things to be admired about a good, solid defensive set-up. The way players fill the spaces and cut off dangerous passes. The manner in which they diffuse opposition threats and the fashion in which they neutralize the opposition's best players. You have to know when to press and when to back off.

I'm probably one of the very few people here who adores Pulis and his style of play. Let me tell you why.

I love the resilience, grit and spirit it demands. I love seeing the players battle, tackle and scrap on their way to grinding a result. Watching centrebacks tussle with opposition centre-forwards and tightly marking them. Seeing them dominate aerially and clear cross after cross. Watching fullbacks and wingers double up on the opposition wide men and suffocate them. Watching the central midfielders form a wall in front of the defence,  continuously throwing their bodies on the line to block shots, not letting anyone through and forcing the opposition team to play sideways or go backwards.

 Making cynical fouls to stop any rare counterattack opportunities. Slowing the tempo down by taking time on throw-ins and goalkicks while watching the clock edge closer to 90.

Hearing the increasing groans of frustration at an away ground as the home team struggles to break the opposition down and seeing star players become more and more agitated as the game wears on. All these are signs of a job well done. The manager complaining about 'anti-football' is just the cherry on the cake.

It's bloody brilliant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 17, 2015, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 17, 2015, 05:29:38 PM
You need to realize that good defending is a skill which needs to appreciated; not termed as 'boring' by people like you.

'Pulisball' is as much an art as 'total football'. No one way of playing is superior to another. That's the beauty of the sport.

What you describe as "uninspiring, insipid and flat" requires immense organization and discipline, coupled with extremely high concentration levels.

It's not as easy as you think. Hours and hours need to be put in on the training ground to be able to keep the shape and structure for the full 90 minutes.

There are lots of things to be admired about a good, solid defensive set-up. The way players fill the spaces and cut off dangerous passes. The manner in which they diffuse opposition threats and the fashion in which they neutralize the opposition's best players. You have to know when to press and when to back off.

I'm probably one of the very few people here who adores Pulis and his style of play. Let me tell you why.

I love the resilience, grit and spirit it demands. I love seeing the players battle, tackle and scrap on their way to grinding a result. Watching centrebacks tussle with opposition centre-forwards and tightly marking them. Seeing them dominate aerially and clear cross after cross. Watching fullbacks and wingers double up on the opposition wide men and suffocate them. Watching the central midfielders form a wall in front of the defence,  continuously throwing their bodies on the line to block shots, not letting anyone through and forcing the opposition team to play sideways or go backwards.

 Making cynical fouls to stop any rare counterattack opportunities. Slowing the tempo down by taking time on throw-ins and goalkicks while watching the clock edge closer to 90.

Hearing the increasing groans of frustration at an away ground as the home team struggles to break the opposition down and seeing star players become more and more agitated as the game wears on. All these are signs of a job well done. The manager complaining about 'anti-football' is just the cherry on the cake.

It's bloody brilliant.
what do you mean at an away ground, we play like this at home so save your money travelling and hear it at the hawthorns.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cuckfield1704 on September 17, 2015, 05:57:49 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 17, 2015, 05:29:38 PM
You need to realize that good defending is a skill which needs to appreciated; not termed as 'boring' by people like you.

'Pulisball' is as much an art as 'total football'. No one way of playing is superior to another. That's the beauty of the sport.

What you describe as "uninspiring, insipid and flat" requires immense organization and discipline, coupled with extremely high concentration levels.

It's not as easy as you think. Hours and hours need to be put in on the training ground to be able to keep the shape and structure for the full 90 minutes.

There are lots of things to be admired about a good, solid defensive set-up. The way players fill the spaces and cut off dangerous passes. The manner in which they diffuse opposition threats and the fashion in which they neutralize the opposition's best players. You have to know when to press and when to back off.

I'm probably one of the very few people here who adores Pulis and his style of play. Let me tell you why.

I love the resilience, grit and spirit it demands. I love seeing the players battle, tackle and scrap on their way to grinding a result. Watching centrebacks tussle with opposition centre-forwards and tightly marking them. Seeing them dominate aerially and clear cross after cross. Watching fullbacks and wingers double up on the opposition wide men and suffocate them. Watching the central midfielders form a wall in front of the defence,  continuously throwing their bodies on the line to block shots, not letting anyone through and forcing the opposition team to play sideways or go backwards.

 Making cynical fouls to stop any rare counterattack opportunities. Slowing the tempo down by taking time on throw-ins and goalkicks while watching the clock edge closer to 90.

Hearing the increasing groans of frustration at an away ground as the home team struggles to break the opposition down and seeing star players become more and more agitated as the game wears on. All these are signs of a job well done. The manager complaining about 'anti-football' is just the cherry on the cake.

It's bloody brilliant.
Good luck to you. I always thought that the object was to score goals and win football matches.
Three goals in five games and strangling the opposition is not cutting it at all for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 17, 2015, 06:08:03 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 17, 2015, 05:29:38 PM
You need to realize that good defending is a skill which needs to appreciated; not termed as 'boring' by people like you.

'Pulisball' is as much an art as 'total football'. No one way of playing is superior to another. That's the beauty of the sport.

What you describe as "uninspiring, insipid and flat" requires immense organization and discipline, coupled with extremely high concentration levels.

It's not as easy as you think. Hours and hours need to be put in on the training ground to be able to keep the shape and structure for the full 90 minutes.

There are lots of things to be admired about a good, solid defensive set-up. The way players fill the spaces and cut off dangerous passes. The manner in which they diffuse opposition threats and the fashion in which they neutralize the opposition's best players. You have to know when to press and when to back off.

I'm probably one of the very few people here who adores Pulis and his style of play. Let me tell you why.

I love the resilience, grit and spirit it demands. I love seeing the players battle, tackle and scrap on their way to grinding a result. Watching centrebacks tussle with opposition centre-forwards and tightly marking them. Seeing them dominate aerially and clear cross after cross. Watching fullbacks and wingers double up on the opposition wide men and suffocate them. Watching the central midfielders form a wall in front of the defence,  continuously throwing their bodies on the line to block shots, not letting anyone through and forcing the opposition team to play sideways or go backwards.

 Making cynical fouls to stop any rare counterattack opportunities. Slowing the tempo down by taking time on throw-ins and goalkicks while watching the clock edge closer to 90.

Hearing the increasing groans of frustration at an away ground as the home team struggles to break the opposition down and seeing star players become more and more agitated as the game wears on. All these are signs of a job well done. The manager complaining about 'anti-football' is just the cherry on the cake.

It's bloody brilliant.

Can't make my mind up if this is a wind up.
Dress it up how you like, the attendances will definitely drop off if the level of performance remains the same as against Southampton.
Be prepared to be last game on MOTD every week
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 17, 2015, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 17, 2015, 06:08:03 PM
Can't make my mind up if this is a wind up.
Dress it up how you like, the attendances will definitely drop off if the level of performance remains the same as against Southampton.
Be prepared to be last game on MOTD every week

Nothing new there then! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 17, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 17, 2015, 05:29:38 PM
You need to realize that good defending is a skill which needs to appreciated; not termed as 'boring' by people like you.

'Pulisball' is as much an art as 'total football'. No one way of playing is superior to another. That's the beauty of the sport.

What you describe as "uninspiring, insipid and flat" requires immense organization and discipline, coupled with extremely high concentration levels.

It's not as easy as you think. Hours and hours need to be put in on the training ground to be able to keep the shape and structure for the full 90 minutes.

There are lots of things to be admired about a good, solid defensive set-up. The way players fill the spaces and cut off dangerous passes. The manner in which they diffuse opposition threats and the fashion in which they neutralize the opposition's best players. You have to know when to press and when to back off.

I'm probably one of the very few people here who adores Pulis and his style of play. Let me tell you why.

I love the resilience, grit and spirit it demands. I love seeing the players battle, tackle and scrap on their way to grinding a result. Watching centrebacks tussle with opposition centre-forwards and tightly marking them. Seeing them dominate aerially and clear cross after cross. Watching fullbacks and wingers double up on the opposition wide men and suffocate them. Watching the central midfielders form a wall in front of the defence,  continuously throwing their bodies on the line to block shots, not letting anyone through and forcing the opposition team to play sideways or go backwards.

 Making cynical fouls to stop any rare counterattack opportunities. Slowing the tempo down by taking time on throw-ins and goalkicks while watching the clock edge closer to 90.

Hearing the increasing groans of frustration at an away ground as the home team struggles to break the opposition down and seeing star players become more and more agitated as the game wears on. All these are signs of a job well done. The manager complaining about 'anti-football' is just the cherry on the cake.

It's bloody brilliant.

This is hilarious  :D 100% sure it's a whind up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 17, 2015, 08:25:20 PM
He does have a point though.

It may sound pretentious, but good, defensive football does not get appreciated nearly as much as it should. Sure, a 3-3 draw would be very exciting, but a 0-0 can be equally as interesting, in different ways.
It's kind of like a 3-3 would be like a very mysterious, fiery woman, whereas you know what to expect with a 0-0 who is more basic but reliable as a partner.

In other words, it's painful to hear people shout "tackle him", "get stuck in" when we're defending with Pulis, his defensive system clearly works and the shape is perfect.

I understand attacking football is easier to enjoy, but you have to give credit that getting clean sheets is also an art-form and even very good Premiership managers struggle to defend at the best of times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 17, 2015, 08:28:24 PM
So you boys found the 0-0 draw with port vale after 120 minutes as an interesting affair  :D don't know why I am even engaging.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 17, 2015, 08:49:13 PM
Can't believe what I have just read!  ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 17, 2015, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: WSBaggie on September 17, 2015, 11:54:38 AM
People always have something to moan about. First it was JP not spending money now its because Pulis hasn't spent it well enough.

I swear people would moan if we were top of the league because we wouldn't be ahead by enough points  :-X

The problem with the people who are moaning is they need a dose of reality. This is about as good as it gets for us, slogging our way to 40 points each year. Thats not been unambitious that is looking at the situation realistically.

Being concerned about people moaning about being top of the league isn't really something you should lose too much sleep over.

Finishing mid table is about as good as we get and slogging our way to it is unambitious.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 17, 2015, 09:53:08 PM
Wow. That is some post. I understand the initial paragraphs about the intensity and preparation required, but after that I'm lost.

If you seriously enjoy watching us make cynical fouls, time wasting etc than we are at polar opposites.

Clearly you must hate 99% of all the matches you watch because, thank god, I can't think of a single team that is as horrifically negative as us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 17, 2015, 10:28:15 PM
I'm not a fan of the defensive side of football I've always enjoyed the attacking game and the mavericks.

But I have too say that post is spot on even if just to see it from the point of view of someone who does appreciate that side of the game 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 17, 2015, 10:42:12 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on September 17, 2015, 10:28:15 PM
I'm not a fan of the defensive side of football I've always enjoyed the attacking game and the mavericks.

But I have too say that post is spot on even if just to see it from the point of view of someone who does appreciate that side of the game
I agree as an ex defender look at the mess we had before!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 17, 2015, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 17, 2015, 08:28:24 PM
So you boys found the 0-0 draw with port vale after 120 minutes as an interesting affair  :D don't know why I am even engaging.
You've just picked the best example to suit your argument which is unfair. So far we have 4 out of 6 clean sheets which somewhat backs up his point about good defending. Under Tony Mowbray we lost in the cup to Hartlepool, it doesn't mean that Mowbray was particularly good nor bad at his philosophy and it would be unfair to judge him on that one game like it is with the Port Vale example.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 17, 2015, 11:39:31 PM
Can't believe no one has commented on my post. Be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on September 17, 2015, 11:58:08 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 17, 2015, 11:39:31 PM
Can't believe no one has commented on my post. Be careful what you wish for.
That can be aimed at the Pulis fans and the anti pulis fans ;p
Also it would be good defending if it was just the defenders defending,instead of most of the team parked in our half.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on September 18, 2015, 12:11:56 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 17, 2015, 11:39:31 PM
Can't believe no one has commented on my post. Be careful what you wish for.
That's because the silent majority support your view. It is that majority who have experienced the many lows at Albion  over the years who appreciate the stability Pulis and Peace are bringing to the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 18, 2015, 06:54:58 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 17, 2015, 11:39:31 PM
Can't believe no one has commented on my post. Be careful what you wish for.
I read the first couple of lines and skipped the rest :-[

Different clubs, different situations, different results (although it is not wrong to draw comparisons). But I wholeheartedly agree with your last comment. Be careful what you wish for,  you might end up with someone who wholeheartedly sucks the life out of your passion for the "beautiful game".  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 18, 2015, 08:33:28 AM
Quote from: frazzle on September 17, 2015, 09:53:08 PM
Wow. That is some post. I understand the initial paragraphs about the intensity and preparation required, but after that I'm lost.

If you seriously enjoy watching us make cynical fouls, time wasting etc than we are at polar opposites.

Clearly you must hate 99% of all the matches you watch because, thank god, I can't think of a single team that is as horrifically negative as us.

Is that worse than watching flair players dive around when they can't break down a defense? Or does it only count as cynical when it's something Pulis does?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 18, 2015, 08:55:47 AM
I'm not sure we are any different to anyone else on the cynical fouls front. I struggle to think of any really bad challenges from anyone this season. We get the odd pull back and 'taking one for the team' but can't see that we are any different to anyone else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 18, 2015, 09:30:51 AM
Sport (loosely),
would I prefer to watch ?

Cliff Thorburn - Alex Higgins
John Lowe - Phil Taylor
Ali - Tyson
All Blacks - South Africa
George Best - Franz Beckanbauer
Maradona - Gary Lineker
Ron Atkinson side - Tony Pulis side

I think sport is about flair, entertainment, skill, and yes physical prowess, tenacity, organisation are good attributes, but on their own - Horrible word, but BORING!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 18, 2015, 10:07:33 AM
Quote from: Albionic on September 18, 2015, 09:30:51 AM
Sport (loosely),
would I prefer to watch ?

Cliff Thorburn - Alex Higgins
John Lowe - Phil Taylor
Ali - Tyson
All Blacks - South Africa
George Best - Franz Beckanbauer
Maradona - Gary Lineker
Ron Atkinson side - Tony Pulis side

I think sport is about flair, entertainment, skill, and yes physical prowess, tenacity, organisation are good attributes, but on their own - Horrible word, but BORING!

Franz Beckenbauer was a brilliant player, easily the best in his position in the world if not ever. Started out as a box to box midfielder then practically invented the sweeper role.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 18, 2015, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 17, 2015, 11:39:31 PM
Can't believe no one has commented on my post. Be careful what you wish for.

Yep, as said, the silent majority would like to see better performance levels, but are content we are heading in the right direction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 18, 2015, 10:26:29 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on September 18, 2015, 10:07:33 AM
Franz Beckenbauer was a brilliant player, easily the best in his position in the world if not ever. Started out as a box to box midfielder then practically invented the sweeper role.

Yes I totally agree
I was trying to keep equivalent "quality" hence quoting the 2 best ever in there respective roles (IMO)" but give my interpretation of which I would prefer to be more disposed to pay to watch",

I do accept its a personal thing, despite this i struggle to understand that some apparently love to watch performances which stifle creativity and flair .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 18, 2015, 10:52:10 AM
Quote from: Albionic on September 18, 2015, 10:26:29 AM
Yes I totally agree
I was trying to keep equivalent "quality" hence quoting the 2 best ever in there respective roles (IMO)" but give my interpretation of which I would prefer to be more disposed to pay to watch",

I do accept its a personal thing, despite this i struggle to understand that some apparently love to watch performances which stifle creativity and flair .

Ah sorry I misunderstood your point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 18, 2015, 10:55:05 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on September 18, 2015, 10:52:10 AM
Ah sorry I misunderstood your point.

No apology needed, I clearly didn't put it over well !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on September 18, 2015, 02:04:49 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 18, 2015, 10:26:29 AM

I do accept its a personal thing, despite this i struggle to understand that some apparently love to watch performances which stifle creativity and flair .

That's because it's an art in itself.

As someone who plays as a defender, I love seeing defences contain opposition attacks and defenders stifle opposition attackers.

I love watching flashy wingers being shown inside and losing the ball when running into a wall of players. I take immense delight in watching fullbacks who stand up to such attackers and don't commit themselves needlessly. I love it when defenders double or triple up on a star player and suffocate him into a corner.

It's bloody brilliant and a joy to watch and I could reel of another hundred such things if you wanted me to.

That's why one of my favourite games ever was the match at Anfield in 13/14 when Chelsea absolutely nullified the most potent attack in the league.

Chelsea set out to contain and frustrate. And it was quite incredible to see previously outstanding players like Suarez, Coutinho and Sturridge look completely average and devoid of any flair or quality.

Mouruinho quite rightly described it as a ''beautiful victory".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on September 18, 2015, 02:27:19 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 15, 2015, 09:06:10 PM
I have said I want to see more creativity and that is the only issue I have with him. I wouldn't have signed McClean as I don't rate him, never have done. They probably get picked as he feels he can trust them, its something I would like the local media to ask him along with why Pocognoli hasn't featured but none seem prepared to ask anything other than bog dtandard questions these days.

He was asked this question recently and said "I simply prefer Chris Brunt".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 18, 2015, 02:34:12 PM
Quote from: stoxman on September 18, 2015, 02:27:19 PM
He was asked this question recently and said "I simply prefer Chris Brunt".

Which is a load of nonsense really. I'm not a Brunt fan but we are crying out for him to play LM as opposed to McLean or Gardner with Poco at LB. It's pretty obvious he's done something to p*** Pulis off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 18, 2015, 02:36:52 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 18, 2015, 02:04:49 PM
That's because it's an art in itself.

As someone who plays as a defender, I love seeing defences contain opposition attacks and defenders stifle opposition attackers.

I love watching flashy wingers being shown inside and losing the ball when running into a wall of players. I take immense delight in watching fullbacks who stand up to such attackers and don't commit themselves needlessly. I love it when defenders double or triple up on a star player and suffocate him into a corner.

It's bloody brilliant and a joy to watch and I could reel of another hundred such things if you wanted me to.

That's why one of my favourite games ever was the match at Anfield in 13/14 when Chelsea absolutely nullified the most potent attack in the league.

Chelsea set out to contain and frustrate. And it was quite incredible to see previously outstanding players like Suarez, Coutinho and Sturridge look completely average and devoid of any flair or quality.

Mouruinho quite rightly described it as a ''beautiful victory".

I don't think people are criticising the defensive side of our game as it has been pretty sound since Pulis came in. However is it not possible to be solid defensively but also pose some sort of attacking intent? If we played some quick direct counter attacking football then I think most people would be happy. We rarely set out to win a game of football at present.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 18, 2015, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 18, 2015, 02:36:52 PM
I don't think people are criticising the defensive side of our game as it has been pretty sound since Pulis came in. However is it not possible to be solid defensively but also pose some sort of attacking intent? If we played some quick direct counter attacking football then I think most people would be happy. We rarely set out to win a game of football at present.
Agree. It's one thing to admire defensive performances, but enjoy them, not really.
Defend well and break quickly is a different thing altogether. Our problem is the transition from defence to attack, or should I say lack of!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 18, 2015, 03:19:41 PM
Quote from: stoxman on September 18, 2015, 02:27:19 PM
He was asked this question recently and said "I simply prefer Chris Brunt".
When was this? I usually watch all the press conference and interviews and can't recall this, although I'm not disputing it, he evidently does, just wondered which journo finally had the balls to ask
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 18, 2015, 02:04:49 PM
That's because it's an art in itself.

As someone who plays as a defender, I love seeing defences contain opposition attacks and defenders stifle opposition attackers.

I love watching flashy wingers being shown inside and losing the ball when running into a wall of players. I take immense delight in watching fullbacks who stand up to such attackers and don't commit themselves needlessly. I love it when defenders double or triple up on a star player and suffocate him into a corner.

It's bloody brilliant and a joy to watch and I could reel of another hundred such things if you wanted me to.

That's why one of my favourite games ever was the match at Anfield in 13/14 when Chelsea absolutely nullified the most potent attack in the league.

Chelsea set out to contain and frustrate. And it was quite incredible to see previously outstanding players like Suarez, Coutinho and Sturridge look completely average and devoid of any flair or quality.

Mouruinho quite rightly described it as a ''beautiful victory".

I agree it was a very good performance and an enjoyable one to watch and it's extremely hard to contain players like Suarez, Coutinho and Sturridge. However Pulis is trying to contain players like Troy Deeney, Biram Diouf and Graziana Pelle and is employing the exact same tactics.

I actually don't think defensively we are quite as amazing as is made out, certainly not from a tactical point of view anyway. If you need 10 men behind the ball whilst nullifying pretty much all your own attacking threat against teams like Southampton, Watford and Stoke to feel confident enough in keeping then I would argue that actually the defence is not that strong on it's own.

If Pulis could achieve similar defensive results with 4 defenders and a screening midfielder such as Yacob allowing the other 5 outfielders a bit of freedom then I'd buy the 'great defensive manager' argument completely. But I don't see 5 defensive players with wingers tucking in when needed who keep their shape superbly and force the opposition to play where we want them to. We just have 10 players and hope that by sheer weight of numbers it will be enough to keep them out. And it normally works against creative forces such as Steven Davis and Charlie Adam and Glen Whelan but when we play sides who are better than us (which is when a really skilled defensive manager such as Mourinho steps up) we get cut open pretty easily as shown by City and Chelsea this season.


From my point of view I love watching a team dominate possession (with purpose) playing 'total football' However I also really enjoying watching wingers flying down the wings and getting crosses in to a big man. I enjoy watching counter attacking football built around a solid defence, I enjoy watching big ugly sides physically dominate, out muscle and outwork the opposition by playing at a high tempo and grinding them down. I don't see us doing any of the above. The limit of our ambition is to keep 10 men behind the ball and if someone produces a piece of individual skill, we get a bit of luck or a set piece then maybe we will nick something.

Leicester have had some of the lowest possession & pass accuracy this season coupled with one of the highest % of long balls played. I also think they have been possibly the most entertaining side to watch this season. So when people say they hate watching a Pulis side don't automatically assume that means everyone want to see 100 passes in the build up to a move and 75% possession each week and anything else is rubbish, but just give us something!

Can anyone honestly say the Southampton game was a brilliant defensive display and a joy to watch such a masterpiece. From where I was sat it was a premier league team full of average premier league players cancelling out a team of equally limited slightly less average premier league players because the slightly less average players were to average to do anything else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on September 18, 2015, 03:25:37 PM
i've posted about we playing one of ours as sweeper in the "match day team" before, Yacob could play in that role.

4 1 4 1
4 1 3 2
4 1 3 1 1.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on September 18, 2015, 06:05:36 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 03:24:34 PM
I actually don't think defensively we are quite as amazing as is made out, certainly not from a tactical point of view anyway.



If I recall correctly, Albion have had the most clean sheets in the league since Pulis took over last season. So I don't think it's an exaggeration to say the team is quite amazing defensively.


Quote from: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 03:24:34 PM
If you need 10 men behind the ball whilst nullifying pretty much all your own attacking threat against teams like Southampton, Watford and Stoke to feel confident enough in keeping then I would argue that actually the defence is not that strong on it's own.

Individual defensive players may not be as strong on their own, but the team certainly is.

Quote from: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 03:24:34 PM
If Pulis could achieve similar defensive results with 4 defenders and a screening midfielder such as Yacob allowing the other 5 outfielders a bit of freedom then I'd buy the 'great defensive manager' argument completely. 

Most teams, if not all, defend with all 10 players. Once the initial press ends, all teams fall back into their defensive shape where each and every individual player has a certain defensive duty. West Brom are no different to any other team in this respect. While Pulis's inherent cautious style certainly plays a part, the reason Albion appear to be more negative than others is because they're very, very poor at keeping possession of the ball.

I really don't think anyone can dispute the fact that Pulis is one of the best defensive coaches in the league. His record at Stoke, Palace and now West Brom speaks for itself. (IMO he's second best in that regard after Mourinho, but that discussion is for another day)

Quote from: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 03:24:34 PM
We just have 10 players and hope that by sheer weight of numbers it will be enough to keep them out. 

This is plain ignorance. The approach isn't just based around 'hoping' the 10 defenders will keep them out. It requires immense organization, discipline and hours and hours of preparation and work on the training ground.

Quote from: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 03:24:34 PM
but when we play sides who are better than us (which is when a really skilled defensive manager such as Mourinho steps up) we get cut open pretty easily as shown by City and Chelsea this season. 

City beat WBA with ease, but they also did the same to last year's champions so I think Pulis can be excused for that one.

As for Chelsea game, Albion were actually doing pretty well until Pedro opened the scoring with a deflected shot which was basically the first real chance they had created. Pulis had to chase the game afterwards and Chelsea then had much more space to create chances.

Let's look at last season. City beat Albion 3-0 (but as you might know they were playing with 10 men for basically the whole 90 minutes) and Arsenal thrashed them 4-1 (Pulis admitted after the game that the lads were completely exhausted after the season; but anyway I'm not going to use than as an excuse).

But he also managed to keep clean sheets against Liverpool, Chelsea and most famously, against United at Old Trafford with just 19% possession! Pretty impressive if you ask me.



Quote from: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 03:24:34 PM
Can anyone honestly say the Southampton game was a brilliant defensive display and a joy to watch such a masterpiece. From where I was sat it was a premier league team full of average premier league players cancelling out a team of equally limited slightly less average premier league players because the slightly less average players were to average to do anything else.

The Southampton game was simply an efficient defensive display but nothing more than that. It wasn't a defensive masterclass by any means because not only were the Saints lacking in quality, they were also obviously happy with an away point so didn't exactly throw the kitchen sink in the second half.

IMO Albion's performance away at Vicarage Road was a much better defensive performance because not only was it away from home, but the players had much more actual defending to do.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on September 18, 2015, 06:18:01 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 18, 2015, 03:19:41 PM
When was this? I usually watch all the press conference and interviews and can't recall this, although I'm not disputing it, he evidently does, just wondered which journo finally had the balls to ask

Birmingham Mail...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-sebastien-pocognoli-can-9115162
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 18, 2015, 06:21:26 PM
" we've needed our fullbacks to be bombing on "  :D.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 18, 2015, 06:27:40 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 18, 2015, 06:05:36 PM


If I recall correctly, Albion have had the most clean sheets in the league since Pulis took over last season. So I don't think it's an exaggeration to say the team is quite amazing defensively.


Individual defensive players may not be as strong on their own, but the team certainly is.

Most teams, if not all, defend with all 10 players. Once the initial press ends, all teams fall back into their defensive shape where each and every individual player has a certain defensive duty. West Brom are no different to any other team in this respect. While Pulis's inherent cautious style certainly plays a part, the reason Albion appear to be more negative than others is because they're very, very poor at keeping possession of the ball.

I really don't think anyone can dispute the fact that Pulis is one of the best defensive coaches in the league. His record at Stoke, Palace and now West Brom speaks for itself. (IMO he's second best in that regard after Mourinho, but that discussion is for another day)

This is plain ignorance. The approach isn't just based around 'hoping' the 10 defenders will keep them out. It requires immense organization, discipline and hours and hours of preparation and work on the training ground.

City beat WBA with ease, but they also did the same to last year's champions so I think Pulis can be excused for that one.

As for Chelsea game, Albion were actually doing pretty well until Pedro opened the scoring with a deflected shot which was basically the first real chance they had created. Pulis had to chase the game afterwards and Chelsea then had much more space to create chances.

Let's look at last season. City beat Albion 3-0 (but as you might know they were playing with 10 men for basically the whole 90 minutes) and Arsenal thrashed them 4-1 (Pulis admitted after the game that the lads were completely exhausted after the season; but anyway I'm not going to use than as an excuse).

But he also managed to keep clean sheets against Liverpool, Chelsea and most famously, against United at Old Trafford with just 19% possession! Pretty impressive if you ask me.



The Southampton game was simply an efficient defensive display but nothing more than that. It wasn't a defensive masterclass by any means because not only were the Saints lacking in quality, they were also obviously happy with an away point so didn't exactly throw the kitchen sink in the second half.

IMO Albion's performance away at Vicarage Road was a much better defensive performance because not only was it away from home, but the players had much more actual defending to do.

Hi Mr Pulis  :o

From your very long post all you have covered is that we are decent in defence. But football is about attack and defence, i cant wait for you to try and expalin about us going forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 18, 2015, 06:29:34 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 18, 2015, 06:21:26 PM
" we've needed our fullbacks to be bombing on "  :D.

Must of changed his mind over the summer then. The blokes a grade A aint he
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on September 18, 2015, 06:37:34 PM
A lot of the split of opinion about Pulis seems to come down to "Results are all that count" v "Football needs to be entertaining". 

20 years ago the only way to follow Albion was to go the match or buy the Sports Argos. Or keep refreshing the teletext page.

Today we can watch from home, the pub, Internet etc.

Has this lead to some fans becoming more tolerant of results rather than entertainment?  If you have driven and parked at the ground, paid your money, sat in the cold and seen us win a rubbish game, are you less thrilled than someone who had one eye on the game in a warm pub with your mates or someone sat at home with the game on stream and a good film on the TV?   If you have other distractions, the result might become the most important stream.

I'm really interested to know whether there are more anti-Pulis amongst those that regularly have to sit and watch his tactics live.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 18, 2015, 06:41:21 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 17, 2015, 05:29:38 PM
You need to realize that good defending is a skill which needs to appreciated; not termed as 'boring' by people like you.

'Pulisball' is as much an art as 'total football'. No one way of playing is superior to another. That's the beauty of the sport.

What you describe as "uninspiring, insipid and flat" requires immense organization and discipline, coupled with extremely high concentration levels.

It's not as easy as you think. Hours and hours need to be put in on the training ground to be able to keep the shape and structure for the full 90 minutes.

There are lots of things to be admired about a good, solid defensive set-up. The way players fill the spaces and cut off dangerous passes. The manner in which they diffuse opposition threats and the fashion in which they neutralize the opposition's best players. You have to know when to press and when to back off.

I'm probably one of the very few people here who adores Pulis and his style of play. Let me tell you why.

I love the resilience, grit and spirit it demands. I love seeing the players battle, tackle and scrap on their way to grinding a result. Watching centrebacks tussle with opposition centre-forwards and tightly marking them. Seeing them dominate aerially and clear cross after cross. Watching fullbacks and wingers double up on the opposition wide men and suffocate them. Watching the central midfielders form a wall in front of the defence,  continuously throwing their bodies on the line to block shots, not letting anyone through and forcing the opposition team to play sideways or go backwards.

 Making cynical fouls to stop any rare counterattack opportunities. Slowing the tempo down by taking time on throw-ins and goalkicks while watching the clock edge closer to 90.

Hearing the increasing groans of frustration at an away ground as the home team struggles to break the opposition down and seeing star players become more and more agitated as the game wears on. All these are signs of a job well done. The manager complaining about 'anti-football' is just the cherry on the cake.

It's bloody brilliant.


Pulisball porn.

No thanks  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooter on September 18, 2015, 07:31:03 PM
We won't stay up by playing like a draw is acceptable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on September 18, 2015, 07:57:22 PM
He's the 4 manager in 2 year at our club FFS we need stability at the helm & he truly is guiding us, give him until next season if the football is still has crappy as it is now i'm sure JP will do what he feels needs to be done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 18, 2015, 08:11:13 PM
I'd like to know why the guy or girl who keeps banging on about Pulis's amazing defensive attributes seems to have wiped Spurs,QPR and Leicester at home last year from the history books. We are not as defensively sound as some people think under Pulis   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 18, 2015, 08:14:37 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on September 18, 2015, 08:11:13 PM
I'd like to know why the guy or girl who keeps banging on about Pulis's amazing defensive attributes seems to have wiped Spurs,QPR and Leicester at home last year from the history books. We are not as defensively sound as some people think under Pulis   
While the attacking must improve we have had a good number of clean sheets in fairness , not been great to watch granted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 18, 2015, 09:28:40 PM
Everything is scrutinised in so much detail these days and everyone has an opinion whether they go to games or not, particularly Premier League football.

We have been served up some right rubbish at the Hawthorns over the decades but everybody seems to have a platform to complain to the whole world these days if anything doesn't go according to plan.

Results do come before entertainment these days, especially for clubs, because of the riches to be had at the top table - personally I will follow the Albion come what may, but would prefer us to toil and struggle in winnable games in the PL than to under perform in the Football Leauge, which I have witnessed for more years than I care to remember!

Pulis in the Premier beats Ardiles in the old Third Division for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 18, 2015, 10:05:17 PM
It's all about finding the right balance.

We are struggling at the moment, we can defend ok but we cannot create and score as effectively, but that doesn't mean we won't get it right.
We are paying the price for not investing in the right personnel at the right time and are now in a period of transition to get back on track.

Leicester got promoted with a solid foundation and a settled squad, made a good start, then went 3 months without winning, before going 3 months hardly losing a game, and now looking comfortable.
Doesn't mean they won't struggle again this season, they have a squad that can compete but it still does not guarantee them from relegation.

Nothing really changed during the season, it was hard work, confidence and belief that got them through it, attributes that are not lacking in TP and his teams?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 10:13:38 PM
I wouldn't describe myself Anti Pulis as I really hope he does a great job for us, although for the purpose of this vote I'm down as anti Pulis.

Quote from: geoff on September 18, 2015, 07:57:22 PM
He's the 4 manager in 2 year at our club FFS we need stability at the helm & he truly is guiding us, give him until next season if the football is still has crappy as it is now i'm sure JP will do what he feels needs to be done.

No chance of Pulis getting sacked any time soon if he continues to keep us up no matter how bad the football

Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on September 18, 2015, 09:28:40 PM
Everything is scrutinised in so much detail these days and everyone has an opinion whether they go to games or not, particularly Premier League football.

We have been served up some right rubbish at the Hawthorns over the decades but everybody seems to have a platform to complain to the whole world these days if anything doesn't go according to plan.

Results do come before entertainment these days, especially for clubs, because of the riches to be had at the top table - personally I will follow the Albion come what may, but would prefer us to toil and struggle in winnable games in the PL than to under perform in the Football Leauge, which I have witnessed for more years than I care to remember!

Pulis in the Premier beats Ardiles in the old Third Division for me.

Give me Ardilles in the 3rd division any day over what we are being served today. The fact you remember that season over 20 years on speaks volumes. How many people will remember this season next year?

At some point we will be relegated. Might be this year, or next, or we might cling on for 10 years like a Bolton with the occasional decent finish but ultimately we will go down at some time. If were not going to at least try at enjoy it when we are here and do something remotely entertaining then whats the bloody point.

I don't think it's a case of being served rubbish for 20 years so why are we complaining. For 20 years we have been singing players like Groves and Holmes and Mcdermott etc. Players like Van Blerk and Carbon had long runs in the side and Jordao was an exciting foreign signing. Even 12 years ago our star purchase was Sean Gregan to compliment a midfield of McInnes and Johnson. But in all that time since my first season in 92/93 I feel we have gone out with reasonable intentions and although were were quite often sh*t it was because we had sh*t players.

Now we are signing top international strikers like Rondon, are able to reject £25m bids for one of Englands best young players, have an £8m centre back on the bench who is kept out the side by another £8m man who is in the peak of his career and been a regular for Man Utd for the last 3 seasons. Along with all the other numerous internationals both in and out of the team/squad we should be in a massively exciting period but for the first time since I've been going I think we are underselling ourselves hugely with our approach to matches.

If we are sh*t and play sh*t then I think the fans will stick with us as they did for 20 years of rubbish until 2002. Having a really quite decent premier league side and playing absolute sh*t through design is just depressing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on September 18, 2015, 10:13:57 PM
Tomorrow is the first game away at Villa I've ever missed ( I'm 39 ) and it is 100% down to the absolute rubbish served up I just can't watch anymore it's making me ill. The argument that I hate is it was worse years ago and it wasn't good, I was at Halifax, Woking and loads more awful days but there was always hope it would get better now we know this is the limit and where it all ends and it's horrible. And when people keep saying 'TP' knows and 'trust Pulis' if you had done a poll 3 years ago 99% of our fans would rather have had Steve Bull as manager or Gould back rather than Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 18, 2015, 06:05:36 PM


If I recall correctly, Albion have had the most clean sheets in the league since Pulis took over last season. So I don't think it's an exaggeration to say the team is quite amazing defensively.


Individual defensive players may not be as strong on their own, but the team certainly is.

Most teams, if not all, defend with all 10 players. Once the initial press ends, all teams fall back into their defensive shape where each and every individual player has a certain defensive duty. West Brom are no different to any other team in this respect. While Pulis's inherent cautious style certainly plays a part, the reason Albion appear to be more negative than others is because they're very, very poor at keeping possession of the ball.

I really don't think anyone can dispute the fact that Pulis is one of the best defensive coaches in the league. His record at Stoke, Palace and now West Brom speaks for itself. (IMO he's second best in that regard after Mourinho, but that discussion is for another day)

This is plain ignorance. The approach isn't just based around 'hoping' the 10 defenders will keep them out. It requires immense organization, discipline and hours and hours of preparation and work on the training ground.

City beat WBA with ease, but they also did the same to last year's champions so I think Pulis can be excused for that one.

As for Chelsea game, Albion were actually doing pretty well until Pedro opened the scoring with a deflected shot which was basically the first real chance they had created. Pulis had to chase the game afterwards and Chelsea then had much more space to create chances.

Let's look at last season. City beat Albion 3-0 (but as you might know they were playing with 10 men for basically the whole 90 minutes) and Arsenal thrashed them 4-1 (Pulis admitted after the game that the lads were completely exhausted after the season; but anyway I'm not going to use than as an excuse).

But he also managed to keep clean sheets against Liverpool, Chelsea and most famously, against United at Old Trafford with just 19% possession! Pretty impressive if you ask me.



The Southampton game was simply an efficient defensive display but nothing more than that. It wasn't a defensive masterclass by any means because not only were the Saints lacking in quality, they were also obviously happy with an away point so didn't exactly throw the kitchen sink in the second half.

IMO Albion's performance away at Vicarage Road was a much better defensive performance because not only was it away from home, but the players had much more actual defending to do.

To make it simple I'll put it this way, if Pulis showed some decent attacking intentions (not all out attack, just any sort of attacking inclination at all) do you think his sides would keep nearly as many clean sheets?

If he is the defensive master you make out surely 4 defenders and a holding midfielder should be enough to keep a decent amount of clean sheets at home to most sides outside the top 4 which leaves 5 players whose primary job is to create/attack.

If you do think yes, then I would ask why you think he doesn't do this?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 18, 2015, 10:52:50 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 10:13:38 PM
I wouldn't describe myself Anti Pulis as I really hope he does a great job for us, although for the purpose of this vote I'm down as anti Pulis.

No chance of Pulis getting sacked any time soon if he continues to keep us up no matter how bad the football

Give me Ardilles in the 3rd division any day over what we are being served today. The fact you remember that season over 20 years on speaks volumes. How many people will remember this season next year?

At some point we will be relegated. Might be this year, or next, or we might cling on for 10 years like a Bolton with the occasional decent finish but ultimately we will go down at some time. If were not going to at least try at enjoy it when we are here and do something remotely entertaining then whats the bloody point.

I don't think it's a case of being served rubbish for 20 years so why are we complaining. For 20 years we have been singing players like Groves and Holmes and Mcdermott etc. Players like Van Blerk and Carbon had long runs in the side and Jordao was an exciting foreign signing. Even 12 years ago our star purchase was Sean Gregan to compliment a midfield of McInnes and Johnson. But in all that time since my first season in 92/93 I feel we have gone out with reasonable intentions and although were were quite often sh*t it was because we had sh*t players.

Now we are signing top international strikers like Rondon, are able to reject £25m bids for one of Englands best young players, have an £8m centre back on the bench who is kept out the side by another £8m man who is in the peak of his career and been a regular for Man Utd for the last 3 seasons. Along with all the other numerous internationals both in and out of the team/squad we should be in a massively exciting period but for the first time since I've been going I think we are underselling ourselves hugely with our approach to matches.

If we are sh*t and play sh*t then I think the fans will stick with us as they did for 20 years of rubbish until 2002. Having a really quite decent premier league side and playing absolute sh*t through design is just depressing.

Good post. You starting going when i did. 

Quote from: sing on our own on September 18, 2015, 10:13:57 PM
Tomorrow is the first game away at Villa I've ever missed ( I'm 39 ) and it is 100% down to the absolute rubbish served up I just can't watch anymore it's making me ill. The argument that I hate is it was worse years ago and it wasn't good, I was at Halifax, Woking and loads more awful days but there was always hope it would get better now we know this is the limit and where it all ends and it's horrible. And when people keep saying 'TP' knows and 'trust Pulis' if you had done a poll 3 years ago 99% of our fans would rather have had Steve Bull as manager or Gould back rather than Pulis.

Another good post.

This is the first derby match i have missed for 20 years home or away. I cant stomach it anymore. Twice last season was more than enough.

2pm tomorrow and i will feel like ive been kicked in the balls when i see 7 defensive minded players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on September 18, 2015, 10:52:59 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 10:18:37 PM
To make it simple I'll put it this way, if Pulis showed some decent attacking intentions (not all out attack, just any sort of attacking inclination at all) do you think his sides would keep nearly as many clean sheets?

Most likely not. (although it depends on how attacking you want Pulis to be) But there's also a counter argument for this. If Barcelona changed their style and became a team that sits back for the majority of the match, they'd concede far more goals than they do now. (Because they're not as good at absorbing pressure as someone like Atletico or Juventus).




Quote from: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 10:18:37 PM

If he is the defensive master you make out surely 4 defenders and a holding midfielder should be enough to keep a decent amount of clean sheets at home to most sides outside the top 4 which leaves 5 players whose primary job is to create/attack.

If you do think yes, then I would ask why you think he doesn't do this?

Because he's a very cautious manager with conservative instincts. He has a mentality of being extra safe and giving nothing away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 18, 2015, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 18, 2015, 10:13:38 PM

No chance of Pulis getting sacked any time soon if he continues to keep us up no matter how bad the football

Give me Ardilles in the 3rd division any day over what we are being served today. The fact you remember that season over 20 years on speaks volumes. How many people will remember this season next year?

If we are sh*t and play sh*t then I think the fans will stick with us as they did for 20 years of rubbish until 2002. Having a really quite decent premier league side and playing absolute sh*t through design is just depressing.

What I do remember is getting promoted through the lottery of the playoffs and that wonderful day at Wembley after finishing behind Port Vale in the regular season.

Despite that success and winning the Championship under Mowbray (and losing nearly 25% of games that season) they were both merely stepping stones on the path to the Premier League which is the holy grail that we are all ultimately striving for and judged on!

Doesn't matter how bad the football is as long as we are competing with the best, losing our PL status after fighting so hard to get back there is more depressing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 18, 2015, 10:59:13 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on September 18, 2015, 10:54:30 PM
What I do remember is getting promoted through the lottery of the playoffs and that wonderful day at Wembley after finishing behind Port Vale in the regular season.

Despite that success and winning the Championship under Mowbray (and losing nearly 25% of games that season) they were both merely stepping stones on the path to the Premier League which is the holy grail that we are all ultimately striving for and judged on!

Doesn't matter how bad the football is as long as we are competing with the best, losing our PL status after fighting so hard to get back there is more depressing.

So because we are a premier league side we should stop any attacking football?

We can put up with being defensive, but to park the bus home and away week after week is terrible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on September 18, 2015, 10:59:53 PM
If any of you follow my posts (I don't blame you if you don't!), you'll remember I said after the Stoke match that I'm not going again whilst Pulis is in charge*. Well after spending thousands of pounds following Albion around the country, I am about to miss my first local derby for a decade. Doesn't feel right, but I refuse to pay to watch the style of play we have reverted to. Still hope we beat the seal ****s mind.

*unless there is a monumental change in style.


Edit: I didn't read the posts before mine, but it seems I'm not alone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 18, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
I didn't want Pulis and reminded a few Albion fans of their words when he was Stoke manager when they said " we would never watch that load of rubbish week in week out". Pulis then goes to Palace and then all I had thrown back at me was look what he did at Palace never mind Stoke.

He did a job last season by keeping us up and I do honestly believe he will do it this season but it will not be pretty, will I continue going up? Well the answer is simple, of course I will I support my team though the good and bad times and we have certainly had some bad times when you look at the times under Smith, Little, Gould and Buckley.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 18, 2015, 11:10:11 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 18, 2015, 10:59:13 PM
So because we are a premier league side we should stop any attacking football?

We can put up with being defensive, but to park the bus home and away week after week is terrible.

No, but we are in transition at the moment after some woeful decisions both on and off the pitch in recent times plus a very disruptive transfer window.

Things need to settle down and newbies need time to bed in and hopefully we will address the team balance and become more of a threat going forward.

We did and have shown signs of being a decent side under Pulis but we do need to ensure we avoid relegation in order to evolve and improve even if we have to park the bus more often than we would like.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on September 19, 2015, 12:14:37 AM
My issue isn't with Pulis my issue is with the modern game, Pulis has come in a done a job survive at what ever costs. Like every premiere league club we are money driven and the pay days keep coming every season your in the premiere league.

The football is dire but effective, we will probably survive and the cycle continues next season, the premiere league was created for financial reasons.

I'm lucky I live in oz and not tempted to go every week. If I was in the UK I wouldn't go, love my team but they definitely don't entertain, how many people are honestly looking forward to this derby, with all the history over the last couple of seasons this should be a belter but I bet it won't be. I will watch it but not a highlight of my weekend anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 19, 2015, 11:46:45 AM
IF the league brought in an extra point (in rugby they get an extra point for 4 tries) for scoring over 2 goals...Would Pulis change his game plan?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 19, 2015, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on September 19, 2015, 11:46:45 AM
IF the league brought in an extra point (in rugby they get an extra point for 4 tries) for scoring over 2 goals...Would Pulis change his game plan?
No, because if you lose, you still get nothing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: letmereadposts on September 19, 2015, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 18, 2015, 10:52:50 PM


2pm tomorrow and i will feel like ive been kicked in the balls when i see 7 defensive minded players.

This is what gets me. The message it sends out is really negative. I have begun to just read the team and then sigh!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on September 19, 2015, 04:55:39 PM
Booooo.. get him out our club. The fans are turning boooo. Wish we went for Sherwood.  ???

Loads of empty seats in the Villa home end too I noticed..   ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on September 19, 2015, 04:56:12 PM
played well today, great 3 points, sure some fans will be disappointed as we weren't exactly Barca or real madrid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on September 19, 2015, 05:06:23 PM
Least this should silence all the misguided Pulis bashes on this site. Doubt they will admit that they have it wrong though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 19, 2015, 05:11:30 PM
He's gotta go ay he?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on September 19, 2015, 05:12:08 PM
Quote from: Do I not like Wolves on September 19, 2015, 05:06:23 PM
Least this should silence all the misguided Pulis bashes on this site. Doubt they will admit that they have it wrong though.

Were we outstanding today?  No.  We won, we played a bit better but its the worst Villa team in living memory.  He's got more to do to convince me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 19, 2015, 05:14:19 PM
first signs of a slightly more expansive strategy ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 19, 2015, 05:15:56 PM
Delighted we won, massive credit to Pulis and the team.

However probably best to judge closer to Xmas, we have showed in one off games last season that we can play well (like today - defended well and attacked too) all the supposed 'anti Pulis' people want more performances like today instead of games like Southampton.

For whats it worth, i dont think there are that many Pulis haters, i think there are just fans like myself who like the bloke but just think he could be more adventurous, ie - today.

Great win today and lets hope its the sign of things to come, play like that away, and attack more at home and i dont think many will complain at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 19, 2015, 05:19:54 PM
For those who dislike his football, don't you think we passed it about a bit better and played nicer football today?
It still wasn't classic stuff but we could have easily got a 2nd today with Rondon and Fletcher, so I think it's fair to say the performance was better today as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 19, 2015, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 19, 2015, 05:19:54 PM
For those who dislike his football, don't you think we passed it about a bit better and played nicer football today?
It still wasn't classic stuff but we could have easily got a 2nd today with Rondon and Fletcher, so I think it's fair to say the performance was better today as well.

much better, hated last 20 minutes though. My nerves were extremely ragged
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on September 19, 2015, 05:24:56 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on September 19, 2015, 05:15:56 PM
Delighted we won, massive credit to Pulis and the team.

However probably best to judge closer to Xmas, we have showed in one off games last season that we can play well (like today - defended well and attacked too) all the supposed 'anti Pulis' people want more performances like today instead of games like Southampton.

For whats it worth, i dont think there are that many Pulis haters, i think there are just fans like myself who like the bloke but just think he could be more adventurous, ie - today.

Great win today and lets hope its the sign of things to come, play like that away, and attack more at home and i dont think many will complain at all.

That is exactly what the non moaners have been saying all along... give him time.

I see Stoke are sitting in the bottom 3 without a win thinking about relegation.. I bet some of them are wishing they still had Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 19, 2015, 05:27:05 PM
Much better , 4 5 1 is the answer and brings out the best in Yacob , Fletcher and Morrison.
Whether he reverts back to the 4 4 2 / 4 4 1 1 remains to be seen but our passing flowed much better  today for my money .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on September 19, 2015, 05:29:24 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on September 19, 2015, 05:12:08 PM
Were we outstanding today?  No.  We won, we played a bit better but its the worst Villa team in living memory.  He's got more to do to convince me.

That really does sound like sour grapes I am afraid. When have we ever been "outstanding " we were workmanlike. We're we lucky, No . Pullis had a game plan, stifle them in midfield in the first half and defend our " ill gotten gains" in the second.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 19, 2015, 05:31:19 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on September 19, 2015, 05:12:08 PM
Were we outstanding today?  No.  We won, we played a bit better but its the worst Villa team in living memory.  He's got more to do to convince me.

You must have a short memory, Villa have had some shocking teams recently. The difference is they have a terrible manager :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on September 19, 2015, 05:38:25 PM
I'm not a regular (anymore that is - although I did have a season ticket for many years but now live in Spain) but I am pro-Pulis!
I've been watching since early 70's & whilst I've seen some good I've seen some dross.
I think since Megson, that wasnt always pretty either but the players at least left the field knackered & covered in mud, having put in a shift, something most of us expect at the very least, we've drifted along a bit aimlessly since imho.
TP - who else really was available (proven at this level) after Irvine? A modern day Megson tasked with putting all right OFF the pitch as well as on it! Sorry to say we needed to go back to basics and start again.
You start at the back by not conceding, I've played as much football myself! I'm confident it will get better, it's going to take time, get behind the Albion whether TP is your man or not!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 19, 2015, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on September 19, 2015, 05:38:25 PM
I'm not a regular (anymore that is - although I did have a season ticket for many years but now live in Spain) but I am pro-Pulis!
I've been watching since early 70's & whilst I've seen some good I've seen some dross.
I think since Megson, that wasnt always pretty either but the players at least left the field knackered & covered in mud, having put in a shift, something most of us expect at the very least, we've drifted along a bit aimlessly since imho.
TP - who else really was available (proven at this level) after Irvine? A modern day Megson tasked with putting all right OFF the pitch as well as on it! Sorry to say we needed to go back to basics and start again.
You start at the back by not conceding, I've played as much football myself! I'm confident it will get better, it's going to take time, get behind the Albion whether TP is your man or not!
good post
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 19, 2015, 05:52:10 PM
I am as anti-Pulis as you can get, but that was a really encouraging performance. We tried to win, we gave it a go, and we didn't lump the ball up in the air.

That's all I want really. Nothing too glamorous, no Barcelona style football, just giving it a go, and doing it with the ball on the ground.

Well done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 19, 2015, 07:14:53 PM
Proves he can get his teams playing football, more of the same Tone  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 19, 2015, 07:20:21 PM
Really hope we can kick on from this.

I hope that the attacking side of our game comes into play and we play a bit of football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 19, 2015, 07:40:38 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 19, 2015, 07:20:21 PM
Really hope we can kick on from this.

I hope that the attacking side of our game comes into play and we play a bit of football.


Here here I'm far from jumping but we played well today vast improvements.

Well done Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 19, 2015, 07:50:20 PM
Some of us asked for a bit of patience, good to see a few reversing lights starting to flicker into life. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on September 19, 2015, 07:52:18 PM
Say what you like about the bloke, that's 17 clean sheets from 29 games, incredible!
For the record, I was one of those that used to walk home angry & frustrated after defeats to Stoke & say 'I couldn't watch that every week!'
As for this season, I haven't been totally downhearted. I was quite impressed with us against Chelsea despite the defeat, I thought we had a good go & enjoyed watching us with 2 wingers, which worked again today. Looks like the way forward to me!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 19, 2015, 08:21:16 PM
Quote from: wardy65 on September 19, 2015, 07:52:18 PM
Say what you like about the bloke, that's 17 clean sheets from 29 games, incredible!
For the record, I was one of those that used to walk home angry & frustrated after defeats to Stoke & say 'I couldn't watch that every week!'
As for this season, I haven't been totally downhearted. I was quite impressed with us against Chelsea despite the defeat, I thought we had a good go & enjoyed watching us with 2 wingers, which worked again today. Looks like the way forward to me!

If we continue and build on our forward play we will be so much easier on the eye.

Great to see us play well and deserve the victory.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 19, 2015, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 19, 2015, 07:50:20 PM
Some of us asked for a bit of patience, good to see a few reversing lights starting to flicker into life. ;D

No reversing lights here. I have been consistent throughout. I gave praise for West Ham and swansea performances last year,  and ive been massively disappointed with a large number of games too

If we set out to win our games and dont hoof the ball then im happy.

Perhaps its Pulis who has engaged reverse and decided on a different route. I hope so, but not counting chickens.

Either way, comments from him and the always impressive Fletcher post match are encouraging.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 19, 2015, 08:24:57 PM
still stand by comments that the football up until now had been atrocious to watch

Today it sounds like we started on the front foot, played with a bit more pace and with an attack minded mentality which sounds like a completely new approach and for that we have been rewarded

For that the manager and the players deserve full credit just as much as I had been saying they deserved criticism for the performances so far

Long may it continue

Saw this on another post, perfectly put.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on September 19, 2015, 08:34:59 PM
I just hope that result and performance just shuts up the whingers and whiners.

It is plain to see Pulis inherired a very poor squad and there is a short term plan plan to stay up, maybe by being more defensive than we would like.
The long term plan is recruiting the right players over time.

No it has not been the best start to the season but we have had a tough start and have to integrate a humber of players.

For those of you moaning about not going to an away game again or the first derby you've missed in 50 years, great thanks for giving up on your tickets, it meant I could go and I loved it.

Great performance? Yes. Amazing support? Yes. 

We created more chances and totally deserved to win. I am delighted. Support your team and get off your moral high ground,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 19, 2015, 08:46:36 PM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on September 19, 2015, 08:34:59 PM
I just hope that result and performance just shuts up the whingers and whiners.

It is plain to see Pulis inherired a very poor squad and there is a short term plan plan to stay up, maybe by being more defensive than we would like.
The long term plan is recruiting the right players over time.

No it has not been the best start to the season but we have had a tough start and have to integrate a humber of players.

For those of you moaning about not going to an away game again or the first derby you've missed in 50 years, great thanks for giving up on your tickets, it meant I could go and I loved it.

Great performance? Yes. Amazing support? Yes. 

We created more chances and totally deserved to win. I am delighted. Support your team and get off your moral high ground,
I agree it is always refreshing to see those that moan at a guy working for the best interests of the club having little to say in the overall situation.
A very difficult League to compete in at the best of times let alone with what has gone on.
Hats off well done today WBA.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 19, 2015, 08:47:03 PM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on September 19, 2015, 08:34:59 PM
I just hope that result and performance just shuts up the whingers and whiners.

It is plain to see Pulis inherired a very poor squad and there is a short term plan plan to stay up, maybe by being more defensive than we would like.
The long term plan is recruiting the right players over time.

No it has not been the best start to the season but we have had a tough start and have to integrate a humber of players.

For those of you moaning about not going to an away game again or the first derby you've missed in 50 years, great thanks for giving up on your tickets, it meant I could go and I loved it.

Great performance? Yes. Amazing support? Yes. 

We created more chances and totally deserved to win. I am delighted. Support your team and get off your moral high ground,

See you at norwich then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on September 19, 2015, 08:52:31 PM
Silly comment, cads_ap_albion, "get off your moral high ground".
None of us sceptics were on any moral high ground. All we were doing were expressing our strongly held belief that we were being far too negative for the talent that we had in our squad. All Albion fans are thrilled tonight, but as a Pulis-sceptic, I dont feel I need to come down off any moral high gound.
Grow up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 19, 2015, 08:52:58 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 19, 2015, 08:24:57 PM
still stand by comments that the football up until now had been atrocious to watch

Today it sounds like we started on the front foot, played with a bit more pace and with an attack minded mentality which sounds like a completely new approach and for that we have been rewarded

For that the manager and the players deserve full credit just as much as I had been saying they deserved criticism for the performances so far

Long may it continue

Saw this on another post, perfectly put.

If only that was all you said ::), the total over reaction of some of our fans in the last few weeks, tonight it's put into perspective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggy nerd on September 19, 2015, 08:53:52 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on September 19, 2015, 05:38:25 PM
I'm not a regular (anymore that is - although I did have a season ticket for many years but now live in Spain) but I am pro-Pulis!
I've been watching since early 70's & whilst I've seen some good I've seen some dross.
I think since Megson, that wasnt always pretty either but the players at least left the field knackered & covered in mud, having put in a shift, something most of us expect at the very least, we've drifted along a bit aimlessly since imho.
TP - who else really was available (proven at this level) after Irvine? A modern day Megson tasked with putting all right OFF the pitch as well as on it! Sorry to say we needed to go back to basics and start again.
You start at the back by not conceding, I've played as much football myself! I'm confident it will get better, it's going to take time, get behind the Albion whether TP is your man or not!
Drifted along aimlessly since Megson? I just find that astounding! We have over-achieved enormously since Megson when you look at the money being thrown around by owners in the top flight. It has been amazing to stay in the top flight for so many seasons. It has been done by spending the TV money wisely. We have gradually built up a better squad and been able to attract better managers - who could have seen us getting the likes of Hodgson/Pulis 15 years ago? Yes there have been mistakes with players such as Brown and a manager such as Irvine, but there have been enough good decisions to outweigh the bad. With the 'big money'clubs around these days we cannot do much more than try to survive each year which is a shame but that's the way football has gone. I don't see this as drifting and I'm sure clubs like Leeds, Derby and Wednesday don't either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 19, 2015, 08:52:58 PM
If only that was all you said ::), the total over reaction of some of our fans in the last few weeks, tonight it's put into perspective.

Weve won one game that we deserved to win. I still think the football wont be pretty, i hope im wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on September 19, 2015, 09:10:56 PM
Christ, you'd think we're after winning the World Cup or something.
Yeah, its bloody great and feels great tonight, but its one bloody win.
Lets hope we can build on this now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggieblood on September 19, 2015, 09:21:02 PM
Football was great today, crisp passing out of defence even under pressure.
Some Fans hammer Pulis who has been the job under 9 months.

He's sorted the defence and wants more pace on wings.

Imo we are a couple of players away from being a very good team and i have total faith in pulis.

Look at Stoke now hughes ridding themselves of pulis' players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 19, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
Today was a good result against a poor Villa team. One performance in seven is still a pretty poor return but hopefully it will be a turning point and TP will realise showing some attacking intent is a good thing and keeps the crowd happy.
I think Villa and Sherwood have a lot to be concerned about. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on September 19, 2015, 10:32:59 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on September 19, 2015, 08:52:31 PM
Silly comment, cads_ap_albion, "get off your moral high ground".
None of us sceptics were on any moral high ground. All we were doing were expressing our strongly held belief that we were being far too negative for the talent that we had in our squad. All Albion fans are thrilled tonight, but as a Pulis-sceptic, I dont feel I need to come down off any moral high gound.
Grow up.
By being a pulis sceptic you are on your moral high ground. Too many of our fans expect us to play flowing Barcelona like football. It's not going to happen on a regular basis. How many games on sky from any team this year have been amazing to watch? Very few. Are Chelsea the champions playing amazing foot ball? ?

Also, I haven't  resorted  to personal comnents to make my point, so do you mind if you don't?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on September 19, 2015, 10:37:09 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 19, 2015, 08:47:03 PM
See you at norwich then?
Not sure how this has any bearing on my points? I go to 25+ games a year, does that make any difference to your question?

As a teacher I cannot take a half day off to get to Norwich - wish I could.  Thankfully being a teacher did mean I could go and support my team today. Did you?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 19, 2015, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on September 19, 2015, 10:32:59 PM
By being a pulis sceptic you are on your moral high ground. Too many of our fans expect us to play flowing Barcelona like football. It's not going to happen on a regular basis. How many games on sky from any team this year have been amazing to watch? Very few. Are Chelsea the champions playing amazing foot ball? ?

Also, I haven't  resorted  to personal comnents to make my point, so do you mind if you don't?

Sorry but I just think that's a lazy comment. I don't want Barcelona football (well I do, but it's hardly likely :-)). I just want the team to go out and try to win. We did that today so I'm happy. But there have been plenty of occasions under Pulis where we haven't and I've been sad. It's as simple as that. Barcelona has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 19, 2015, 10:51:25 PM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on September 19, 2015, 10:37:09 PM
Not sure how this has any bearing on my points? I go to 25+ games a year, does that make any difference to your question?

As a teacher I cannot take a half day off to get to Norwich - wish I could.  Thankfully being a teacher did mean I could go and support my team today. Did you?

Agree that attendance at games doesn't have any relation to how good a supporter anyone is. I live near Glasgow. Two trips to see a game for me and my family corresponds to at least one season ticket.

In addition to the games that I do make, I spend fricking hours reading about the team, and reading debate here, and watching every game via a stream.

It makes me no better or worse fan than a season ticket holder in my view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 19, 2015, 10:57:41 PM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on September 19, 2015, 10:37:09 PM
Not sure how this has any bearing on my points? I go to 25+ games a year, does that make any difference to your question?

As a teacher I cannot take a half day off to get to Norwich - wish I could.  Thankfully being a teacher did mean I could go and support my team today. Did you?

I didnt ask what you did for a living or how many games you go to a season, just asked if you were going to norwich, just in case anyone who didnt want to, you could get a ticket   :-*

I didnt go today, i went to work instead. Id rathet earn over 100 quid than pay to watch what we have been served up so far. Im glad we won, its given me a little hope that things MIGHT get better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 19, 2015, 11:06:04 PM
Quote from: Baggieblood on September 19, 2015, 09:21:02 PM
Football was great today, crisp passing out of defence even under pressure.
Some Fans hammer Pulis who has been the job under 9 months.

He's sorted the defence and wants more pace on wings.

Imo we are a couple of players away from being a very good team and i have total faith in pulis.

Look at Stoke now hughes ridding themselves of pulis' players.

It was only great football compared to the dross that has preceded it. At least it was a very welcome relief to see that we actually wanted to win a game and were prepared to take the game to the opposition, and pass the ball a bit, rather than just sit back and nullify the game to oblivion. For the first time in ages I actually enjoyed watching us simply because we weren't served standard Pulisball. Long may it continue.

It is worrisome that without Saido we look very powder puff up front, even if Rondon huffs and puffs a bit. A somewhat bloated looking Saido saved Pulis' bacon today.

Villa were an extremely weak side, they will be lucky to survive this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 19, 2015, 11:06:48 PM
Hammers park the bus for the whole second half not saying i like that but sometimes its necessary.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 19, 2015, 11:09:12 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 19, 2015, 10:57:41 PM
I didnt ask what you did for a living or how many games you go to a season, just asked if you were going to norwich, just in case anyone who didnt want to, you could get a ticket   :-*

I didnt go today, i went to work instead. Id rathet earn over 100 quid than pay to watch what we have been served up so far. Im glad we won, its given me a little hope that things MIGHT get better.
So why ask the poster such a stupid question in the first place? We all have work and differing life styles. Very harsh to criticise others? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 19, 2015, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on September 19, 2015, 11:06:48 PM
Hammers park the bus for the whole second half not saying i like that but sometimes its necessary.

Same with Watford up at Newcastle who also got the 3 points. It's becoming more and more common these days.

There have still been more away wins than home wins throughout the league which I think is crazy :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 19, 2015, 11:58:48 PM
4 clean sheets in 6 games, only 6 goals conceded, all 6 against the champions and runners up from last season.

Nice to hear Jonny Evans on MOTD after the game saying Pulis told the players he wanted them to express themselves more.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 20, 2015, 12:13:07 AM
We've been here before after the Chelsea game were we had a decent performance if not result. The whole team looks a lot better in a 4-2-3-1 if he sticks with it then I think we won't be too bad to watch, we get better quality ball to Rondom who can then bring in the three playing behind him which allows us to sustain a bit of possession and build pressure on the opposition. It will be interesting to see how we line up against Everton who in truth are a lot sterner test than a very ordinary Villa side. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on September 20, 2015, 06:06:52 AM
Really enjoyed yesterday, well today really as I still haven't gone to bed.
Thought we generally bossed the game.

Yes the Vile were pooh, but that was because the team had a collective foot on their throat.
Been to the Seal Pen and watched us get rolled over softly too many times, men against boys this time though.

Thank you Mr Pulis, the boys worked aaaaaaaaard, top draw, 'trific.

Very, VERY happy Baggie.
BOING BOING and SOTV!!!
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 20, 2015, 06:37:56 AM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on September 19, 2015, 10:32:59 PM
By being a pulis sceptic you are on your moral high ground. Too many of our fans expect us to play flowing Barcelona like football. It's not going to happen on a regular basis. How many games on sky from any team this year have been amazing to watch? Very few. Are Chelsea the champions playing amazing foot ball? ?

Also, I haven't  resorted  to personal comnents to make my point, so do you mind if you don't?

But that's just not true is it, Having an opinion on something surely is not a bad thing and in no way shape or form taking the moral highground that's not what the word moral means at all from my understanding.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 20, 2015, 08:11:46 AM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on September 19, 2015, 10:37:09 PM
Not sure how this has any bearing on my points? I go to 25+ games a year, does that make any difference to your question?

As a teacher I cannot take a half day off to get to Norwich - wish I could.  Thankfully being a teacher did mean I could go and support my team today. Did you?
where's a teacher training day when you want one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on September 20, 2015, 08:14:40 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 19, 2015, 10:57:41 PM
I didnt ask what you did for a living or how many games you go to a season, just asked if you were going to norwich, just in case anyone who didnt want to, you could get a ticket   :-*

I didnt go today, i went to work instead. Id rathet earn over 100 quid than pay to watch what we have been served up so far. Im glad we won, its given me a little hope that things MIGHT get better.

yes right. We all know exactly why you asked the question about going to Norwich. Regretting the comment now, hence trying to make a joke of it? :-* I was making the point that some people for various reasons cannot get to games due to money, family, location. Earlier in this thread posters stated they will never go again and they miss this game and that game because of pulis ball etc.  My original point is that's fine, but just stop moaning because people must see albion last year needs rebuilding again over a number of years. I can see it and I will support the team , accepting that in the short performances won't be great e.g. in the 90s when we went to the games I wasn't sure there ever a light at the end. But there is a light now, I am confident.

Frazzled - the Barcelona comment - yes, apologies it was a  lazy comparison but i don't think there is any team in the prem playing regular flowing football in the prem (I was going to say man city but they lost to West Ham) and winning.

For example, yesterday yacob's passing was awful. He gives the ball away so much yet we all know to protect the back 4 we have to play him. We therefore know the consequences.

A villa fan rang up on wm last week saying he was loving watching sherwood attacking football and didn't mind losing e.g. 3-2 vs Leicester.  An albion fan rang in called Ben and made a brilliant point. He said fans making comments about playing nice football but not minding losing had obviously never been relegated and couldn't comprehend that depth of despair. Ben said if parking the bus sometimes meant stopping up, so be it. Great point, very well made on the radio.

I believe pulis has a long term plan and in his 9 months... 9 months (26 games? ??) I can see a transformation and chins of light of what he wants to get to. You can see and hear he is not happy with our passing and retention but he is stuck with players e.g. yacob because he couldn't change the whole team in one window. Long term plan. Stop moaning in the short term. Give him time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 20, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Couple of points:
The Pulis critics have suggested that there is an alternative to typical "pulisball" which involves not just trying not to lose but trying to win. Pulis changed the way he has typically approached games and it worked. Everyone's a winner and who is wrong?

Watford and West Ham put themselves in a position to win the game and defended a lead. As did we.

When our games have been so bad and devoid of entertainment a victory away against our local rivals is going to be lapped up. Villa are poor IMHO and will struggle again.  (We will not)

We (arguably) got a lucky deflection and they had a goal that could have stood if the ref had allowed a greater advantage.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 20, 2015, 08:50:53 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 20, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Couple of points:
The Pulis critics have suggested that there is an alternative to typical "pulisball" which involves not just trying not to lose but trying to win. Pulis changed the way he has typically approached games and it worked. Everyone's a winner and who is wrong?

Watford and West Ham put themselves in a position to win the game and defended a lead. As did we.

When our games have been so bad and devoid of entertainment a victory away against our local rivals is going to be lapped up. Villa are poor IMHO and will struggle again.  (We will not)

We (arguably) got a lucky deflection and they had a goal that could have stood if the ref had allowed a greater advantage.
That's really tenuous, the fact Tim Sherwood, the most bias man around didn't even mention it says a lot. Re-watch the video, Myhill didn't even jump to get the ball nor did our defenders mark anyone, it would have been stopped.

Besides, we conceded a 'lucky deflection' against Chelsea to lose the game, so it was just luck evening itself out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 20, 2015, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 20, 2015, 08:50:53 AM
That's really tenuous, the fact Tim Sherwood, the most bias man around didn't even mention it says a lot. Re-watch the video, Myhill didn't even jump to get the ball nor did our defenders mark anyone, it would have been stopped.

Besides, we conceded a 'lucky deflection' against Chelsea to lose the game, so it was just luck evening itself out.
Because you haven't heard Tim Sherwood mention it isn't true? (Pundits on MOTD discussed it though  ;))
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mifos on September 20, 2015, 09:52:19 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 20, 2015, 08:47:31 AM

We (arguably) got a lucky deflection and they had a goal that could have stood if the ref had allowed a greater advantage.

 I was watching on a stream and heard the ref's whistle loud and clear, Albion had stopped playing. He only scored because we gave him a free header, wouldn't have happened if he played the advantage (Myhill just let him head it), I doubt they'd have even got the cross in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 20, 2015, 09:52:43 AM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on September 20, 2015, 08:14:40 AM

Frazzled - the Barcelona comment - yes, apologies it was a  lazy comparison but i don't think there is any team in the prem playing regular flowing football in the prem (I was going to say man city but they lost to West Ham) and winning.

It's fair to say that most matches we watch are not Barcelona football. In fact there are probably a handful of teams that play a really attractive style at the moment style, but only a handful. I'm thinking Bournemouth, Swansea, City on a good day, Liverpool of two years ago. The rest of the clubs try and balance their tactics to get the points they need, but the majority do try and win games. My issue has been that it has looked to me like we have actively made a decision in some games not to win but to keep a clean sheet. Improve the balance between attack and defence, try and create space and movement, and I'm happy.

As mentioned earlier, it costs me about 200 to get to a game and I would have already been this season but couldn't justify the expense to see a Pulis performance. More matches like yesterday and I'll be booking my match tickets.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 20, 2015, 09:54:39 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 20, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Couple of points:
The Pulis critics have suggested that there is an alternative to typical "pulisball" which involves not just trying not to lose but trying to win. Pulis changed the way he has typically approached games and it worked. Everyone's a winner and who is wrong?

Watford and West Ham put themselves in a position to win the game and defended a lead. As did we.

When our games have been so bad and devoid of entertainment a victory away against our local rivals is going to be lapped up. Villa are poor IMHO and will struggle again.  (We will not)

We (arguably) got a lucky deflection and they had a goal that could have stood if the ref had allowed a greater advantage.

Spot on. He addressed some of the things that we have all been concerned about, so its happy days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on September 20, 2015, 09:56:17 AM
Superb couldnt fault him yesterday played football and got the win
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on September 20, 2015, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 20, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
We (arguably) got a lucky deflection and they had a goal that could have stood if the ref had allowed a greater advantage.

if, if, if. If Rondon took some of his 4-5 chances we would have hammered them. Besides as said, Myhill stopped his run because of the whistle.

You sound like you can't wait for us to lose again so you can come back with more negative b*llox.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: buzzingbaggie on September 20, 2015, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 20, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Couple of points:
The Pulis critics have suggested that there is an alternative to typical "pulisball" which involves not just trying not to lose but trying to win. Pulis changed the way he has typically approached games and it worked. Everyone's a winner and who is wrong?

Watford and West Ham put themselves in a position to win the game and defended a lead. As did we.

When our games have been so bad and devoid of entertainment a victory away against our local rivals is going to be lapped up. Villa are poor IMHO and will struggle again.  (We will not)

We (arguably) got a lucky deflection and they had a goal that could have stood if the ref had allowed a greater advantage.


Wasn't a lucky deflection though was it, it was a calculated touch by berahino, piece of class not to get too much on it a take it wide.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 20, 2015, 10:26:58 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 20, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Couple of points:


We (arguably) got a lucky deflection and they had a goal that could have stood if the ref had allowed a greater advantage.

There was nothing lucky about the goal, watch it on MOTD, he saw the ball coming and meant to alter the direction of flight.....for all his faults that is what he is capable of doing - he is a talented player.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 10:27:35 AM
Most important things first what a fantastic result yesterday. Despite how poor performances have been Villa is one of the few games where I couldn't care less how we played as long as we get the win especially after last seasons debacle up there. To see the pressure piled further on Sherwood as a result only adds to the enjoyment factor.

On Pulis, it's great to see him shake off his crippling fear of losing for a day and hopefully it will show him that you can be defensively solid without resorting to the kind of tactics he has employed so far. My worry is we have seen this in isolated games so far (Swansea, West Ham, Chelsea) but the penny still doesn't seem to have dropped and the next week we return to 'Pulisball'. Hopefully this will be the catalyst for permanent change but after previous false dawns it is still only a hope at the moment.

Some of the comments on here spectacularly miss the point and I'm sure the irony will also be missed. The criticisms aimed at Pulis have never been about results, and they have also never been about one game. It's not even been about his time with us since January but stretches back the best part of 8/9 years to his time at Stoke.

Quote from: cads_ap_albion on September 19, 2015, 10:32:59 PM
By being a pulis sceptic you are on your moral high ground. Too many of our fans expect us to play flowing Barcelona like football. It's not going to happen on a regular basis. How many games on sky from any team this year have been amazing to watch? Very few. Are Chelsea the champions playing amazing foot ball? ?

Also, I haven't  resorted  to personal comments to make my point, so do you mind if you don't?

To be honest I'm not sure you fully understand what moral high ground is. Basically what you mean is if you have an opinion that is different to mine then you're wrong and you need to change it? Maybe you will see the irony in the 'moral high ground' comment now? I see you have retracted the Barcelona comment so fair enough on that, but many other have said similar things over the past 9 months with a sneery tone towards anyone who isn't happy with what we've been served. Lets be honest today was not a fantastic performance full off attacking swagger and free flowing football. It wasn't even a fantastic performance. It was a defensively solid performance against a poor side with some attacking intent shown and a very good balance between attack/defence resulting in a very decent performance. And yet even with just that bit of attacking threat shown and a bit more of a balance to the tactics pretty much everybody is happy with what we produced. So can people please remember that next time they say something along the lines of the Barcelona comment.

Moving forward I really hope we see more of this Pulis/Albion now otherwise it will just frustrate me further as we have shown again there is a half decent side in there when the leash is taken off. My worry is next week we will return to the previous ways and will be back to the general mood that was on here after the Southampton game.





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on September 20, 2015, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 10:27:35 AM
Most important things first what a fantastic result yesterday. Despite how poor performances have been Villa is one of the few games where I couldn't care less how we played as long as we get the win especially after last seasons debacle up there. To see the pressure piled further on Sherwood as a result only adds to the enjoyment factor.

On Pulis, it's great to see him shake off his crippling fear of losing for a day and hopefully it will show him that you can be defensively solid without resorting to the kind of tactics he has employed so far. My worry is we have seen this in isolated games so far (Swansea, West Ham, Chelsea) but the penny still doesn't seem to have dropped and the next week we return to 'Pulisball'. Hopefully this will be the catalyst for permanent change but after previous false dawns it is still only a hope at the moment.

Some of the comments on here spectacularly miss the point and I'm sure the irony will also be missed. The criticisms aimed at Pulis have never been about results, and they have also never been about one game. It's not even been about his time with us since January but stretches back the best part of 8/9 years to his time at Stoke.

To be honest I'm not sure you fully understand what moral high ground is. Basically what you mean is if you have an opinion that is different to mine then you're wrong and you need to change it? Maybe you will see the irony in the 'moral high ground' comment now? I see you have retracted the Barcelona comment so fair enough on that, but many other have said similar things over the past 9 months with a sneery tone towards anyone who isn't happy with what we've been served. Lets be honest today was not a fantastic performance full off attacking swagger and free flowing football. It wasn't even a fantastic performance. It was a defensively solid performance against a poor side with some attacking intent shown and a very good balance between attack/defence resulting in a very decent performance. And yet even with just that bit of attacking threat shown and a bit more of a balance to the tactics pretty much everybody is happy with what we produced. So can people please remember that next time they say something along the lines of the Barcelona comment.

Moving forward I really hope we see more of this Pulis/Albion now otherwise it will just frustrate me further as we have shown again there is a half decent side in there when the leash is taken off. My worry is next week we will return to the previous ways and will be back to the general mood that was on here after the Southampton game.

I do agree with Pulis to be fair.

Too much disruption with the Transfer Window, then International break. He has had a good week with the players and set out a game plan that worked.

This is where we kick on - Pulisball in the games that need it (= points) is fine with me.

Stay in the league and keep building with better players.

I think he really wants to win a cup with us too (not just saying it like most do) so let's see from here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 20, 2015, 11:31:11 AM
More balls were passed along the floor, not so many of the hoofball.
Perhaps he now wants and can play this way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 20, 2015, 11:45:32 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 10:27:35 AM

Some of the comments on here spectacularly miss the point and I'm sure the irony will also be missed. The criticisms aimed at Pulis have never been about results, and they have also never been about one game. It's not even been about his time with us since January but stretches back the best part of 8/9 years to his time at Stoke.

To be honest I'm not sure you fully understand what moral high ground is. Basically what you mean is if you have an opinion that is different to mine then you're wrong and you need to change it? Maybe you will see the irony in the 'moral high ground' comment now? I see you have retracted the Barcelona comment so fair enough on that, but many other have said similar things over the past 9 months with a sneery tone towards anyone who isn't happy with what we've been served. Lets be honest today was not a fantastic performance full off attacking swagger and free flowing football. It wasn't even a fantastic performance. It was a defensively solid performance against a poor side with some attacking intent shown and a very good balance between attack/defence resulting in a very decent performance. And yet even with just that bit of attacking threat shown and a bit more of a balance to the tactics pretty much everybody is happy with what we produced. So can people please remember that next time they say something along the lines of the Barcelona comment.

Moving forward I really hope we see more of this Pulis/Albion now otherwise it will just frustrate me further as we have shown again there is a half decent side in there when the leash is taken off. My worry is next week we will return to the previous ways and will be back to the general mood that was on here after the Southampton game.

Brilliant post and sums up what I have been saying for months. Pulls has brought with him a track record of awful football. With the exception of perhaps 4 or 5 games, that is exactly what he has brought here.

The performance yesterday was massively encouraging - keep to that type of football, with an intent to score goals, and I'm more than happy. Resort to the approach of the previous five games, and I'll be on his back again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 20, 2015, 12:03:08 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 10:27:35 AM

To be honest I'm not sure you fully understand what moral high ground is. Basically what you mean is if you have an opinion that is different to mine then you're wrong and you need to change it? Maybe you will see the irony in the 'moral high ground' comment now? I see you have retracted the Barcelona comment so fair enough on that, but many other have said similar things over the past 9 months with a sneery tone towards anyone who isn't happy with what we've been served. Lets be honest today was not a fantastic performance full off attacking swagger and free flowing football. It wasn't even a fantastic performance. It was a defensively solid performance against a poor side with some attacking intent shown and a very good balance between attack/defence resulting in a very decent performance. And yet even with just that bit of attacking threat shown and a bit more of a balance to the tactics pretty much everybody is happy with what we produced. So can people please remember that next time they say something along the lines of the Barcelona comment.


Some supporters could see the Head Coach route was not working and would eventually lead to relegation. Those will be the same people who would have wanted a Pulis or an Allardyce type figure to come in to stabilize, organize and rebuild the club inside and out. Like them or not those type of managers have a proven track record of building/re-building clubs and getting the results. Even if that's at the expense of playing good football.

On the other hand, there have been supporters who don't care about the rebuilding process and would prefer another head coach to come in and put the impetus on playing good football. (That's probably where the Barcelona comment came from.) Both sides are entitled to their opinion and as with any subject both sides will think they're right  :)

Clarke had a 20% win rate in 2013. Pepe Mel came in and could only manage a 17% win rate. Irvine tried his best but could only muster a 22% win rate. That's not sustainable for a Premier League club. Pulis has come in and kept over 40% but the people who want to see good football over the re-building still can't give him any credit. That's where the snobbery is obvious to see to the other side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: loui999 on September 20, 2015, 12:14:25 PM
Do some of you honestly think that Pulis was happy after the Southampton game ?
Of course not, Pulis would of been as frustrated as we all were. A game we would of lost in previous seasons. It just seems on this site to many of you are waiting for him to fail, so you can say
"I told you so", I'm more than happy with
Pulis as our Manager long may it continue, The football to me in my opinion is no worse or better than when Hodgson was in charge, he took stick on this site at times with the football we played but not  to the extent that Pulis
does.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: loui999 on September 20, 2015, 12:14:25 PM
Do some of you honestly think that Pulis was happy after the Southampton game ?
Of course not, Pulis would of been as frustrated as we all were. A game we would of lost in previous seasons. It just seems on this site to many of you are waiting for him to fail, so you can say
"I told you so", I'm more than happy with
Pulis as our Manager long may it continue, The football to me in my opinion is no worse or better than when Hodgson was in charge, he took stick on this site at times with the football we played but not  to the extent that Pulis
does.

Yes he was very happy and said as much in his post match comments.

If you think he isn't happy with his teams playing like they did in the Southampton game can you explain why they have been playing that way pretty much week in week out for the last 10 years?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on September 20, 2015, 12:03:08 PM
Some supporters could see the Head Coach route was not working and would eventually lead to relegation. Those will be the same people who would have wanted a Pulis or an Allardyce type figure to come in to stabilize, organize and rebuild the club inside and out. Like them or not those type of managers have a proven track record of building/re-building clubs and getting the results. Even if that's at the expense of playing good football.

On the other hand, there have been supporters who don't care about the rebuilding process and would prefer another head coach to come in and put the impetus on playing good football. (That's probably where the Barcelona comment came from.) Both sides are entitled to their opinion and as with any subject both sides will think they're right  :)

Clarke had a 20% win rate in 2013. Pepe Mel came in and could only manage a 17% win rate. Irvine tried his best but could only muster a 22% win rate. That's not sustainable for a Premier League club. Pulis has come in and kept over 40% but the people who want to see good football over the re-building still can't give him any credit. That's where the snobbery is obvious to see to the other side.

OK, but as I said in my previous post results have nothing to do with why some people are unhappy with Pulis?

Even if they do the comparisons with Irvine and Mel mean nothing as neither were very good managers (although I would have really liked to see Mel given the same resources and control as Pulis). I also see you've left Clarkes pre 2013 stats from you're and the fact he achieved 8th place as it doesn't really fit you argument :-)

To get back on point, I've always made it clear I have no problem with people who are happy with Pulis approach if results are all you care about you will always be happy with Pulis and I understand why some people will prefer watching poor quality football in the PL than potentially more entertaining football in a lower division even if it's not a view I share.

I do think as a generalisation many of the people (not all) who are in favour of Pulis approach don't seem to understand why people who are not as happy with Pulis feel that way as evidenced by several of the comments on here since yesterday.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on September 20, 2015, 12:46:37 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 12:35:36 PM
Yes he was very happy and said as much in his post match comments.

If you think he isn't happy with his teams playing like they did in the Southampton game can you explain why they have been playing that way pretty much week in week out for the last 10 years?

Very happy my ass! Why do people make stuff up to push their anti-Pulis agenda.. proper winds me up.

"But when we got the ball our passing at times was awful! The passing and movement, we are better than that."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rVBxoU2cDg

"Our passing at times, from very good players was not good enough"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34235026
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 20, 2015, 12:49:33 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 12:35:36 PM
Yes he was very happy and said as much in his post match comments.

If you think he isn't happy with his teams playing like they did in the Southampton game can you explain why they have been playing that way pretty much week in week out for the last 10 years?

Not seen any comments anywhere saying he was happy, this interview doesn't say it

https://youtu.be/_rVBxoU2cDg
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 12:56:33 PM
Quote from: addy on September 20, 2015, 12:46:37 PM
Very happy my ass! Why do people make stuff up to push their anti-Pulis agenda.. proper winds me up.

"But when we got the ball our passing at times was awful! The passing and movement, we are better than that."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rVBxoU2cDg

"Our passing at times, from very good players was not good enough"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34235026

Check his interview with Sky after the game before you accuse people of making stuff up next time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on September 20, 2015, 01:04:09 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 12:56:33 PM
Check his interview with Sky after the game before you accuse people of making stuff up next time

What this one? Still not 'very happy'..

 'our passing was poor'?

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9988873/tony-pulis-insists-saido-berahino-will-be-a-key-player-for-west-brom-this-season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 20, 2015, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 12:46:02 PM

Even if they do the comparisons with Irvine and Mel mean nothing as neither were very good managers (although I would have really liked to see Mel given the same resources and control as Pulis). I also see you've left Clarkes pre 2013 stats from you're and the fact he achieved 8th place as it doesn't really fit you argument :-)


You've worked me out  ;)

I've just checked the table from that year and Clarke did a good job with 14 wins from 38 games. That works out at 36.84% for the full league season. I haven't found the results for the cup games yet so have not included those.

Interestingly Pulis has maintained the same form from his spell at Palace. 28 games and 12 wins there (all comps) and he's currently on 29 games and 12 wins with West Brom (again all comps.)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 01:12:44 PM
Yep that exact one, where the first thing he says that he is pleased with the point, the passing was poor and it's just lovely that we got something out of the game.

And you think that's a man who in your words as 'frustrated as the rest of us'? Would that be the same people who were booing after the game and have boycotted Villa and other games this season?

You cant really say Pulis wasn't happy with the Southampton game and then copy and paste a link with him saying how lovely it was we got a point and that's he's very pleased.

As as been done to death on here in the week since, the reason the passing was poor was because of the team he picked. The reason he picked that team was because he wasn't interested in winning the game/possession/passing and only wanted a point from the game, hence why after the game when the interviewer asks what he made of a point Pulis says he is very pleased.

If he was frustrated as the rest of us after last week why have his teams been playing that way for the best part of a decade. Many on here cant take it after 9 months so fair play to him for putting up with it for 9 years.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on September 20, 2015, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 01:12:44 PM
Yep that exact one, where the first thing he says that he is pleased with the point, the passing was poor and it's just lovely that we got something out of the game.

And you think that's a man who in your words as 'frustrated as the rest of us'? Would that be the same people who were booing after the game and have boycotted Villa and other games this season?

You cant really say Pulis wasn't happy with the Southampton game and then copy and paste a link with him saying how lovely it was we got a point and that's he's very pleased.

As as been done to death on here in the week since, the reason the passing was poor was because of the team he picked. The reason he picked that team was because he wasn't interested in winning the game/possession/passing and only wanted a point from the game, hence why after the game when the interviewer asks what he made of a point Pulis says he is very pleased.

If he was frustrated as the rest of us after last week why have his teams been playing that way for the best part of a decade. Many on here cant take it after 9 months so fair play to him for putting up with it for 9 years.

Yes wasn't interested in winning yet played two up front.. of course.

From the 3 interviews taken.. no way to me did he appear being 'very happy' with the result.

He was pleased because we had played badly with our passing, moving and threat on goal and managed to get a point.

I mean he said he was 'delighted' sarcastically in the BBC interview.. you try and make it seem he will be over the moon if we manage to get 1 point from every game this season. Obviously not true.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggieblood on September 20, 2015, 01:42:45 PM
Fans who continue to knock pulis don't understand the hand he's been dealt.

At palace he had bolasie and puncheon and played great football.

With us he's had to contend with 3 seasons' bad signings.

Anichibe, sess, pocco and gamboa still remain taking wages he would use on his own signing.

Add to that the "ever generous" mr peace hampering all his chances of new signings, he has an unenviable task.

Some may prefer the days of pepe mel conceeding 3 nil leads and playing the "legendary" lugano
over gmac at vile park, and losing 4-3 after leading 2 nil.

Any chief executive taking over at a failing business will have to sort to sort the mess of his predesessors which is exactly what tp is doing.

When he has got rid of the deadwood and gor his own players in then judge him.

That imo will be in 3 transfer windows time at the earliest.

Furthermore, those hate pulis ball must hate megson too, someone who dragged our club out of 16 years of hurt and apathy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 20, 2015, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 20, 2015, 12:35:36 PM
Yes he was very happy and said as much in his post match comments.

If you think he isn't happy with his teams playing like they did in the Southampton game can you explain why they have been playing that way pretty much week in week out for the last 10 years?
not true Crystal Palace did not play that way because he had better attacking players than he had at Stoke.Yes he built that Stoke team but that is his first time in prem so was tentative with his tried and tested way.Now he is in the prem for lot more years he too has grown and according to Fletch thats the way we want to play from now on.He has a better. team now than last year to do so.I am giving Pulis and Fletch the benefit of the doubt and believe we are going to be playing that way more consistently.I have never heard TP said in the prior poor games said he was contented with our style of play.All i said from day one give the man some more bloody time before you predict a whole seasons performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 20, 2015, 02:15:23 PM
Very different circumstances between Megson and Pulis, we were a yoyo club with very few quality players all those years go, completely different now, most of our squad are internationals and have top flight experience.

I dont think he has been dealt a bad hand, he wanted to put his own spin on it which is fair enough like most coaches do. People keep banging on about how rubbish our windows have been, yes they could of been better, however another coach may of come in January, used Poco, Gamboa, kept Varela, Samaras, Blanco, played Sess, etc because they prefer those type of players, Pulis didnt as they arent his type of players, he knows what works for him, but it was his choice to not use certain players.

Reading some comments since yesterday there does seem to be a 'told you so' approach from some after winning yesterday, from what i have seen on here there isnt many who have want Pulis out (i certainly dont) its not a your with him or not mentality which some seem to want to create.

I think the supposed 'Anti Pulis' brigade are happy to give him time and hopefully the attacking side will progress but understandably have some reservations as we havent made great strides on that front reguarly the last 9 months (though in certain games we have shown we can do it) and the style used at Stoke didnt change a lot in the years he was there, i personally think he has done great to make us so solid and hope thats the foundation for better stuff going forward, time will tell but based on the past i dont think its unfair to have some caution, but thats not to say dont want it to happen and will delighted if it does.

What some want and i would say expect is that a squad full of internationals, costing and earning big money, with some very skilful creative players in it would like to see in home games more intent to attack and win, i dont think thats too much to ask, under Megson we defended and grinded it out because thats all the players could do, our attacking players are better than that now.

Nobody has said lets go all out attack or play like Barcelona / tippy tappy Mowbray (the usual lines trotted out) i think people hope when playing the teams of a similar ability round us we attempt to win the game. Most supposed 'Anti Pulis' have said they like and respect the way we are organised and that we are picking up points just want to show more intent going forward, thats all, nothing too radical.

Hopefully yesterday was the start of that, great win and good performance as acknowledged by most, he has had a good week with the team now and lets hope we carry it on against Everton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on September 20, 2015, 02:19:28 PM
There is no denying his football can be dross at times, however most of us agree we are far safer with him at the helm than perhaps any other manager we could attract. I'd love to see him play attractive football but it's simply not his way. He has inherited a very unbalanced team which required a complete overhaul, further more almost all the players he inherited weren't suited to his brand of football. We get frustrated because we get a glimpse every so often of a good, exciting team hidden by that defensive shield he likes to work behind.
 However, I feel given time over the next few windows we will see him bring more Pulis type players in, pace/power/energy. The performances will be more like the first half of villa game and the excitement will return. It will just take time, I can see us becoming a good counter attacking team and a strong premier league outfit. By the time he leaves I'm sure we will be much improved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 20, 2015, 02:26:07 PM
Quote from: Baggieblood on September 20, 2015, 01:42:45 PM
Fans who continue to knock pulis don't understand the hand he's been dealt.

At palace he had bolasie and puncheon and played great football.

With us he's had to contend with 3 seasons' bad signings.

Anichibe, sess, pocco and gamboa still remain taking wages he would use on his own signing.

Add to that the "ever generous" mr peace hampering all his chances of new signings, he has an unenviable task.

Some may prefer the days of pepe mel conceeding 3 nil leads and playing the "legendary" lugano
over gmac at vile park, and losing 4-3 after leading 2 nil.

Any chief executive taking over at a failing business will have to sort to sort the mess of his predesessors which is exactly what tp is doing.

When he has got rid of the deadwood and gor his own players in then judge him.

That imo will be in 3 transfer windows time at the earliest.

Furthermore, those hate pulis ball must hate megson too, someone who dragged our club out of 16 years of hurt and apathy.

Evidence that ridiculous statement please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 20, 2015, 02:36:40 PM
Yesterday was much better and I hope Pulis bottles that approach as the template for away games. Unfortunately I think we might resort to the typical approach and yesterday only came about because it was Villa and Pulis could not afford a third defeat to them in six months.

Yesterday was what I wanted - a clear intention to win the game and not just setting up to defend and draw 0-0. There was a lot more use of the ball and it was effective use of possession too, getting the ball into dangerous areas, playing into the forwards and allowing Fletcher and Morrison to be a bit more "expansive" in their play.

If yesterdays performance becomes the blueprint away from home then I imagine more or less everybody will be happy with Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 20, 2015, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on September 20, 2015, 02:15:23 PM
Very different circumstances between Megson and Pulis, we were a yoyo club with very few quality players all those years go, completely different now, most of our squad are internationals and have top flight experience.

I dont think he has been dealt a bad hand, he wanted to put his own spin on it which is fair enough like most coaches do. People keep banging on about how rubbish our windows have been, yes they could of been better, however another coach may of come in January, used Poco, Gamboa, kept Varela, Samaras, Blanco, played Sess, etc because they prefer those type of players, Pulis didnt as they arent his type of players, he knows what works for him, but it was his choice to not use certain players.

Reading some comments since yesterday there does seem to be a 'told you so' approach from some after winning yesterday, from what i have seen on here there isnt many who have want Pulis out (i certainly dont) its not a your with him or not mentality which some seem to want to create.

I think the supposed 'Anti Pulis' brigade are happy to give him time and hopefully the attacking side will progress but understandably have some reservations as we havent made great strides on that front reguarly the last 9 months (though in certain games we have shown we can do it) and the style used at Stoke didnt change a lot in the years he was there, i personally think he has done great to make us so solid and hope thats the foundation for better stuff going forward, time will tell but based on the past i dont think its unfair to have some caution, but thats not to say dont want it to happen and will delighted if it does.

What some want and i would say expect is that a squad full of internationals, costing and earning big money, with some very skilful creative players in it would like to see in home games more intent to attack and win, i dont think thats too much to ask, under Megson we defended and grinded it out because thats all the players could do, our attacking players are better than that now.

Nobody has said lets go all out attack or play like Barcelona / tippy tappy Mowbray (the usual lines trotted out) i think people hope when playing the teams of a similar ability round us we attempt to win the game. Most supposed 'Anti Pulis' have said they like and respect the way we are organised and that we are picking up points just want to show more intent going forward, thats all, nothing too radical.

Hopefully yesterday was the start of that, great win and good performance as acknowledged by most, he has had a good week with the team now and lets hope we carry it on against Everton.

Agree with a lot of what you say. I don't agree with that part, it applies to some but not all as some will not be happy until Pulis has gone no matter what he may or may not do for this club over the period he is here as they cannot see beyond his time at Stoke. Some of the players you mentioned failed to get regular time under the previous coach and were not high on the lists of other clubs in this country let alone this division either before joining or during their time here.

I'm not in the "told you so" camp at all. I'm in the "not his biggest fan but want him to sort out the mess we're in throughout the club and leave us in a better state to pass on to someone else to carry us on".

Along the way we will have some dire abject performances where the anti-Pulis section will be in their element and we will have days like yesterday where the anti-Pulis section will be begrudgingly forced to acknowledge the performance but will still have that little comment added to it where they have a pop.

It shouldn't be an either you're with him or not but unfortunately it does seem to be and at times those in the not camp seem to speak louder and shout more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 20, 2015, 02:45:30 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 20, 2015, 02:36:40 PM
Yesterday was much better and I hope Pulis bottles that approach as the template for away games. Unfortunately I think we might resort to the typical approach and yesterday only came about because it was Villa and Pulis could not afford a third defeat to them in six months.

Yesterday was what I wanted - a clear intention to win the game and not just setting up to defend and draw 0-0. There was a lot more use of the ball and it was effective use of possession too, getting the ball into dangerous areas, playing into the forwards and allowing Fletcher and Morrison to be a bit more "expansive" in their play.

If yesterdays performance becomes the blueprint away from home then I imagine more or less everybody will be happy with Pulis.

Which is what I said along time ago when we signed Evans and replaced Olsson who quite frankly, had become a liability as he could not be exposed to any running forward.

I also said a good while ago that a vocal minority were anti Pulis, that is evident from the poll.

A bit of patience from our fans would not go amiss.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 20, 2015, 02:49:21 PM
I'm pro Pulis for the man and what he is doing just can't stand his football at times!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 20, 2015, 03:09:08 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 20, 2015, 02:45:30 PM
Which is what I said along time ago when we signed Evans and replaced Olsson who quite frankly, had become a liability as he could not be exposed to any running forward.

I also said a good while ago that a vocal minority were anti Pulis, that is evident from the poll.

A bit of patience from our fans would not go amiss.

Was it really all Olsson though?

I mean we had a competent centre half in Joleon Lescott who played the majority of the games under Tony Pulis. I don't buy that Olsson not being in the side has made us more "expansive".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 20, 2015, 03:14:30 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 20, 2015, 03:09:08 PM
Was it really all Olsson though?

I mean we had a competent centre half in Joleon Lescott who played the majority of the games under Tony Pulis. I don't buy that Olsson not being in the side has made us more "expansive".

When you have to play two rigid defensive midfield players to protect your defence, of course it will inhibit your forward play, Fletcher was far more progressive yesterday.

Lescott was also starting to lack mobility, it was very evident yesterday, Olsson will not start by choice again in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Vince Pinner on September 20, 2015, 03:31:41 PM
Bottom line; we are in very safe hands with Pulis.  It probably won't be pretty - especially this season - but it beggars belief that people actually want him gone.

He's probably the best manager we've had since 2002 IMVFHO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 20, 2015, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: Vince Pinner on September 20, 2015, 03:31:41 PM
Bottom line; we are in very safe hands with Pulis.  It probably won't be pretty - especially this season - but it beggars belief that people actually want him gone.

He's probably the best manager we've had since 2002 IMVFHO.

No I agree, at times it will not be pretty, but I'm confident we will have enough good days.

Villa, with Dim Tim, I think are doomed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 20, 2015, 03:50:09 PM
Pulis has never played attractive football with any of the clubs he has managed it has always been a style that values defensive solidity over everything else. Fine I accept that and there is no point in whining about it. It has generally been effective and as his supporters would say the results speak for themselves.

However when that defensive solidity is achieved at the expense of any attacking intent it is neither good to watch nor particularly effective. Playing two strikers in a rigid 4-4-2 is not a sign of attacking intent it is a tactical blunder given the personnel at his disposal and he has been criticised for that. If yesterday marks the beginning of a tactical shift then all well and good if it is another false dawn and we revert back to the obsolete thinking on display against Southampton and Port Vale then we will have a lot more discontent. 

Equally I do not accept that a coach must have his own players to work with before he can be judged effective or not. That is utter nonsense the mark of a good coach is to get the best out of what he has available because in many instances that is what they have to do. The luxury of a hand picked squad with all the players to a coaches exact requirement is a luxury few get even top coaches at the biggest clubs and almost never a Coach at a mid table premier league club.

Giving Pulis a free pass last season was understandable given the perilous state of the club he took over, but the opening weeks of the season we have regressed to the crudest of defensive football imaginable. Yesterday was a welcome relief and if we sustain that level of endeavor then I won't complain, no it is not like watching Brazil but I would never expect that. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 20, 2015, 04:09:09 PM
Quote from: Standaman on September 20, 2015, 03:50:09 PM
Pulis has never played attractive football with any of the clubs he has managed it has always been a style that values defensive solidity over everything else. Fine I accept that and there is no point in whining about it. It has generally been effective and as his supporters would say the results speak for themselves.

However when that defensive solidity is achieved at the expense of any attacking intent it is neither good to watch nor particularly effective. Playing two strikers in a rigid 4-4-2 is not a sign of attacking intent it is a tactical blunder given the personnel at his disposal and he has been criticised for that. If yesterday marks the beginning of a tactical shift then all well and good if it is another false dawn and we revert back to the obsolete thinking on display against Southampton and Port Vale then we will have a lot more discontent. 

Equally I do not accept that a coach must have his own players to work with before he can be judged effective or not. That is utter nonsense the mark of a good coach is to get the best out of what he has available because in many instances that is what they have to do. The luxury of a hand picked squad with all the players to a coaches exact requirement is a luxury few get even top coaches at the biggest clubs and almost never a Coach at a mid table premier league club.

Giving Pulis a free pass last season was understandable given the perilous state of the club he took over, but the opening weeks of the season we have regressed to the crudest of defensive football imaginable. Yesterday was a welcome relief and if we sustain that level of endeavor then I won't complain, no it is not like watching Brazil but I would never expect that.
Well I work with a Palace fan and bizarrely a Real Betis fan! (His brother lives in Seville) They both rate Pulis particularly the Palace fan who was very happy with the style of play under him.
I think it is the tools you have to work with and importantly who a manager trusts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 20, 2015, 04:11:46 PM
Quote from: Standaman on September 20, 2015, 03:50:09 PM
Pulis has never played attractive football with any of the clubs he has managed it has always been a style that values defensive solidity over everything else. Fine I accept that and there is no point in whining about it. It has generally been effective and as his supporters would say the results speak for themselves.

However when that defensive solidity is achieved at the expense of any attacking intent it is neither good to watch nor particularly effective. Playing two strikers in a rigid 4-4-2 is not a sign of attacking intent it is a tactical blunder given the personnel at his disposal and he has been criticised for that. If yesterday marks the beginning of a tactical shift then all well and good if it is another false dawn and we revert back to the obsolete thinking on display against Southampton and Port Vale then we will have a lot more discontent. 

Equally I do not accept that a coach must have his own players to work with before he can be judged effective or not. That is utter nonsense the mark of a good coach is to get the best out of what he has available because in many instances that is what they have to do. The luxury of a hand picked squad with all the players to a coaches exact requirement is a luxury few get even top coaches at the biggest clubs and almost never a Coach at a mid table premier league club.

Giving Pulis a free pass last season was understandable given the perilous state of the club he took over, but the opening weeks of the season we have regressed to the crudest of defensive football imaginable. Yesterday was a welcome relief and if we sustain that level of endeavor then I won't complain, no it is not like watching Brazil but I would never expect that.

You mean like he did at the end of last season ?

He's brought a few in during the first real window he has had (yes I know he had January but given he started on the 1st hard to evaluate a squad fully and make too many changes) and has just spent the first actual week he's been able to working with that full squad he now has.

We'll have abject days again and we'll have decent days, just like every other club does.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on September 20, 2015, 07:04:07 PM
The mans a genius time is all he asked ;)

Haters going to hate but that's all good.

Caps on boys

Boing boing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 20, 2015, 08:42:14 PM
Good to see nearly 75% in the pro Pulis camp but I suspect that percentage has increased significantly in the last 24 hours or so
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 20, 2015, 08:49:59 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on September 20, 2015, 08:42:14 PM
Good to see nearly 75% in the pro Pulis camp but I suspect that percentage has increased significantly in the last 24 hours or so

My main issue has always been that it's very very ugly to watch and football should be entertainment.

Playing 5 in midfield, with Mozza in the 10 role, Saido out wide, joining up front when possible and the other wide guy getting involved (we really need another good winger) it then becomes a solid base with some potency in attack.

That I'm fine with, I'm totally on-board with conceding very few and scoring less as a result, but winning games and getting results. What I'm not on for is defending for our dear lives at Watford and not even trying to attack.

Like I said pre-season, we'll see where we are and how we're playing in October/November.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 20, 2015, 09:12:43 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on September 20, 2015, 08:49:59 PM
My main issue has always been that it's very very ugly to watch and football should be entertainment.

Playing 5 in midfield, with Mozza in the 10 role, Saido out wide, joining up front when possible and the other wide guy getting involved (we really need another good winger) it then becomes a solid base with some potency in attack.

That I'm fine with, I'm totally on-board with conceding very few and scoring less as a result, but winning games and getting results. What I'm not on for is defending for our dear lives at Watford and not even trying to attack.

Like I said pre-season, we'll see where we are and how we're playing in October/November.

Watford were on a high after promotion and we had just come off the back of a masterclass from Manchester City.
Granted, we were well below par that day and Watford came out all guns blazing in the first 20 minutes to set the tone for their first home PL games for some time, but they and the other promoted sides have started well and look like they can compete at this level. Things may change as the leaves start falling in the coming months but they took advantage of the situation and made life difficult for us from the start and we had one of those days where we couldn't get going - as poor as we were, we still could have won it though!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 20, 2015, 09:17:32 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 20, 2015, 04:11:46 PM
You mean like he did at the end of last season ?

He's brought a few in during the first real window he has had (yes I know he had January but given he started on the 1st hard to evaluate a squad fully and make too many changes) and has just spent the first actual week he's been able to working with that full squad he now has.

We'll have abject days again and we'll have decent days, just like every other club does.


I have never disputed that Pulis did well with the situation that he inherited and from the perspective of fixing something in a hurry last season was fine. Although I don't think the squad he inherited was quite as bad as some would make out and he shoehorned them into playing in a manner that they were ill equipped for (although I could level the same criticism at both of his predecessors) but at least it was effective.

Having had a window we went into the season still mired in the 4-4-2 set up but still without the key components to make that system work going forward.  i.e. no box to box midfielder(s) no number 10. Swapping Evans for Lescott made no difference to that it was an option that was available to him from the moment he walked through the door and certainly since the arrival of Rondom who is tailor made for the lone Centre Forward role.

Today we arrive at place we might have been for a while, the Villa game was a massive improvement on what had gone before and if we match that then I for one will not complain nor will I harp on about what might of been because what's gone is gone but I don't feel indebted to Pulis for doing it either.

He's not Corberan nor is he a naughty boy :D   

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 20, 2015, 09:49:07 PM
I think the squad was too comfy and needed a kick up the backside, a total shake up which they got and a few seemed to realise they had to put a bit more of an effort in and they were not going to be calling the shots anymore. He brought in Fletcher so we had a natural leader in the camp, someone for others to look upto who has been there and done it.

Bringing Evans in for Olsson is a winner all round, Olsson has been an excellent servant for this club and an absolute bargain for what we paid but things move on and its now the time for him to step back and sit on the bench.

The window has been a pain and given how much we have spent and how close to our ceiling we are its natural to start getting the back sorted first and then take it from there. If Spurs hadn't tried to pull one over us and actually offered something worthwhile upfront then Saido would have gone and we would have had acouple more in at least in the roles we need but for now we have to make do with what we've got until January at least and hope we find a mug to take Vic and see if anyone shows interest in any of the other squad players or if Spurs come ack with a decent offer.

Now Pulis has chance to work with the squad week in week out until the next international break. Evans has said he wants them to express themselves which doesn't sound like the Mr Negative he gets made out to be on here.

He's not perfect and some of his football has been awful but he's here, he has 4 clean sheets in 6 games and we've only conceded to last seasons Champions and Runners Up. Theres a few clubs in this league that would love to swop places with us at the moment.

I don't expect us to play like we did yesterday every week and I won't be throwing my toys out if we do go defensive at times, obviously i'd love us to play great football but the squad needs work over a period of time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 20, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 20, 2015, 09:49:07 PM
I think the squad was too comfy and needed a kick up the backside, a total shake up which they got and a few seemed to realise they had to put a bit more of an effort in and they were not going to be calling the shots anymore. He brought in Fletcher so we had a natural leader in the camp, someone for others to look upto who has been there and done it.

Bringing Evans in for Olsson is a winner all round, Olsson has been an excellent servant for this club and an absolute bargain for what we paid but things move on and its now the time for him to step back and sit on the bench.

The window has been a pain and given how much we have spent and how close to our ceiling we are its natural to start getting the back sorted first and then take it from there. If Spurs hadn't tried to pull one over us and actually offered something worthwhile upfront then Saido would have gone and we would have had acouple more in at least in the roles we need but for now we have to make do with what we've got until January at least and hope we find a mug to take Vic and see if anyone shows interest in any of the other squad players or if Spurs come ack with a decent offer.

Now Pulis has chance to work with the squad week in week out until the next international break. Evans has said he wants them to express themselves which doesn't sound like the Mr Negative he gets made out to be on here.

He's not perfect and some of his football has been awful but he's here, he has 4 clean sheets in 6 games and we've only conceded to last seasons Champions and Runners Up. Theres a few clubs in this league that would love to swop places with us at the moment.

I don't expect us to play like we did yesterday every week and I won't be throwing my toys out if we do go defensive at times, obviously i'd love us to play great football but the squad needs work over a period of time.
Indeed some you win some you lose. Over the season I expect him to put a side out that will do the business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggieblood on September 20, 2015, 11:30:37 PM
I was at watford, and i must have imagined the sitter berahino missed with his head, as we couldn't have been attacking as pulis tells his players not to attack and score goals.

The pulis haters remind me have the wenger haters who want instant and deride him despite him giving them a state of the art ground (best i've been too) and keep them in top 3 and debt free.

Pulis has been in charge a about 30 games and should be supported not hammered.

There's one tw?? called eddie who goes on the  radio wm phone in every weekday to  tell all and sundry "i told you this is the football pulis plays.".

Like the rest of didn't know his reputation at Stoke and needed this sandwell nostradamus to enlighten us every night with his insights.

He's an embarrassing imo.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 20, 2015, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: Baggieblood on September 20, 2015, 11:30:37 PM
I was at watford, and i must have imagined the sitter berahino missed with his head, as we couldn't have been attacking as pulis tells his players not to attack and score goals.

The pulis haters remind me have the wenger haters who want instant and deride him despite him giving them a state of the art ground (best i've been too) and keep them in top 3 and debt free.

Pulis has been in charge a about 30 games and should be supported not hammered.

There's one tw?? called eddie who goes on the  radio wm phone in every weekday to  tell all and sundry "i told you this is the football pulis plays.".

Like the rest of didn't know his reputation at Stoke and needed this sandwell nostradamus to enlighten us every night with his insights.

He's an embarrassing imo.
Pardon?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wappingbaggie on September 21, 2015, 12:41:25 AM
I'm pro because under previous managers I just got tired of seeing our keeper pick the ball out of the back of our net. I love it that we give the other fans nothing to cheer about and I love it that we dont have to score 2 or 3 to get a win or even a draw.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 21, 2015, 01:25:40 AM
I am not anti-Pulis. I am anti-Pulisball. I am anti-Pulisball for the simple reason it is effective up to a point (low/midtable) and mostly because it is dire to watch. I am not interested in being bored to tears by Albion. We have been a Prem team for six seasons and have mostly survived comfortably even with flawed teams. If Pulis plays decent, well-balanced football that includes incisive attacking, I have no problem with him.

Someone mentioned Clarke. Clarke was a poor head coach but he was fortunate enough to inherit the most balanced Albion side we have had in the Prem. We had a cutting edge going forward and solidity defending. As a result we shot up the table. Then Gera got injured and the team gradually fell apart for various reasons but that is another story.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 21, 2015, 01:31:58 AM
Quote from: wappingbaggie on September 21, 2015, 12:41:25 AM
I'm pro because under previous managers I just got tired of seeing our keeper pick the ball out of the back of our net. I love it that we give the other fans nothing to cheer about and I love it that we dont have to score 2 or 3 to get a win or even a draw.

I am not a sadist so I don't care about hurting the fans of other teams.

I like it when we score goals, the more the merrier. That doesn't mean I don't like seeing us defend well either. In fact I hate sloppy, idiotic defending probably as much as old TP does.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggieblood on September 21, 2015, 02:01:06 AM
Like clarke followed hodgson, hughes followed pulis.

Look Stoke now pulis's signing have gone or are injured.

Hughes signings like centre halves like muniesa and wothshied are not as good as shawcross or huth so the lose games or give up 2 nil leads to draw games.

I'd love to see how many games pulis drew or lost from being 2 nil up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 21, 2015, 08:04:42 AM
Quote from: Baggieblood on September 21, 2015, 02:01:06 AM
Like clarke followed hodgson, hughes followed pulis.

Look Stoke now pulis's signing have gone or are injured.

Hughes signings like centre halves like muniesa and wothshied are not as good as shawcross or huth so the lose games or give up 2 nil leads to draw games.

I'd love to see how many games pulis drew or lost from being 2 nil up.
To draw or lose from 2 nil up you first of all have to be two nil up.  ;)

I cannot speak for everyone,  as some try to do, but nobody should want Pulis to do badly because it will generally mean West Brom are doing badly. Pulis is the first coach since Ardiles and his diamond midfield that has a style of play named after him. I disagree with that "style" of football and don't want it to be come associated with West Bromwich Albion FC (which will still be here long after TP). The game against Villa was a small step away from that style but TP still has a long way to go to show that he is moving away from his cynical and over defensive style of play. Time and a place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 21, 2015, 11:31:28 AM
8 points from 6 games is very good i must say and i dont think we will get to far away from that ratio after 38 games.

A stoke fan said the thing with Pulis is he always picks up points along the way and never goes to many matches without getting a result which if you consider the factor of how many clean sheets we will keep that alone backs up hes statement.

Add an onside Berahino to the fold and we have a unit that will be around the 13th/14th mark come end of the season im guessing.

Been there and proved what hes about Mr Pulis and while the factor of an unproved man like Sherwood is interesting and exciting at first if it doesn't come off you will suddenly feel a tad worried to say the least.

A lot of how we progress from turgid football and grinding out results to stay up depends on two things i cant help but feel, Rondon and whether he can take to the league being the first, The second Pulis need to be courageous and take a couple of more risks especially at home.

This is my overall opinion after what six games still very early and Saturday was a fantastic win from Pulis and the players we played very well indeed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 21, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
Interesting comment from Darren Fletcher after Saturdays game on the official site


"This is the standard that we need to set for ourselves now. This is the way the manager wants us to play. We've been finding it hard to strike that balance between keeping clean sheets and being defensively solid but also being a threat. But I think we struck that balance perfectly at Villa.
"Those are the standards that we need to meet going forward if we want to have a good season.”

Shows that Pulis is not the one dimension bloke he gets made out to be and he doesn't want us always to be the defensive side, some games we will be no doubt as football does always pan out how you want it to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 21, 2015, 11:42:23 AM
I agree with a previous poster,

We will not 'out skill' most teams with the players available, so it stands to reason we should make it as hard as possible for the opposition to 'out skill ' us.

I think if he has the opportunity to develop the squad (considering GMac, Ollson and a couple others) are coming to the twilight of their career, I feel it may be interesting times.

Hope we intergrate some of our very talented youth players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 21, 2015, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 21, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
Interesting comment from Darren Fletcher after Saturdays game on the official site


"This is the standard that we need to set for ourselves now. This is the way the manager wants us to play. We've been finding it hard to strike that balance between keeping clean sheets and being defensively solid but also being a threat. But I think we struck that balance perfectly at Villa.
"Those are the standards that we need to meet going forward if we want to have a good season.”

Shows that Pulis is not the one dimension bloke he gets made out to be and he doesn't want us always to be the defensive side, some games we will be no doubt as football does always pan out how you want it to.

I have no issues with that approach we had it very successfully under uncle Roy however against Southampton i must say it looked like we was happy to take the point, Generally lack of urgency and defensive subs is nullifying our threat going forward.

I dont think we will see 2/3 goal scorelines but as long as we show some intent that will win fans over myself included in time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on September 21, 2015, 12:06:34 PM

After 57 years of very regular attendance, over 50 as a season ticket and shareholder, I do not attend because of Pulis. I detested him and the football he played at Stoke, and I made a very hard decision, that I am not a hypocrite, and will stay away from the Hawthorns until he leaves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: richjonawba on September 21, 2015, 12:16:43 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 21, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
Interesting comment from Darren Fletcher after Saturdays game on the official site


"This is the standard that we need to set for ourselves now. This is the way the manager wants us to play. We've been finding it hard to strike that balance between keeping clean sheets and being defensively solid but also being a threat. But I think we struck that balance perfectly at Villa.
"Those are the standards that we need to meet going forward if we want to have a good season.”

Shows that Pulis is not the one dimension bloke he gets made out to be and he doesn't want us always to be the defensive side, some games we will be no doubt as football does always pan out how you want it to.

Jonny Evans said something similar in his interview with the BBC.

"the manager has put a lot of confidence in the lads this week, he has encouraged the lads to get on the ball and express themselves"

But, but, but Pulis hates football, Pulis wants us to give the ball away every time he gets it, he shouts at players who pass it to an Albion player, doesn't want them to cross the halfway line.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 21, 2015, 12:35:38 PM
Top performance from him on Saturday, best team performance too this season.There is a pattern developing. One decent performance in about 4.There is no one better for us under the present owner
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 21, 2015, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 21, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
Interesting comment from Darren Fletcher after Saturdays game on the official site


"This is the standard that we need to set for ourselves now. This is the way the manager wants us to play. We've been finding it hard to strike that balance between keeping clean sheets and being defensively solid but also being a threat. But I think we struck that balance perfectly at Villa.
"Those are the standards that we need to meet going forward if we want to have a good season.”

Shows that Pulis is not the one dimension bloke he gets made out to be and he doesn't want us always to be the defensive side, some games we will be no doubt as football does always pan out how you want it to.
AMEN
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 21, 2015, 04:48:38 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 21, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
Interesting comment from Darren Fletcher after Saturdays game on the official site


"This is the standard that we need to set for ourselves now. This is the way the manager wants us to play. We've been finding it hard to strike that balance between keeping clean sheets and being defensively solid but also being a threat. But I think we struck that balance perfectly at Villa.
"Those are the standards that we need to meet going forward if we want to have a good season.”

Shows that Pulis is not the one dimension bloke he gets made out to be and he doesn't want us always to be the defensive side, some games we will be no doubt as football does always pan out how you want it to.
This statement is very telling and fills me with optimism. It suggests that it was the players that were negative and were not fully carrying out TP's instructions. He made a big deal about finally having all of the players available for training prior to the Villa game, so perhaps the penny is finally dropping.
Hope so, because I would happily watch performances like that week after week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 21, 2015, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: labaggies on September 21, 2015, 12:06:34 PM
After 57 years of very regular attendance, over 50 as a season ticket and shareholder, I do not attend because of Pulis. I detested him and the football he played at Stoke, and I made a very hard decision, that I am not a hypocrite, and will stay away from the Hawthorns until he leaves.

You are totally entitled to your opinion and how you spend your money but I'm suprised that you went under Brian Little, Bobby Gould, Gary Megson and yet won't go under Pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 22, 2015, 05:22:54 AM
Quote from: labaggies on September 21, 2015, 12:06:34 PM
After 57 years of very regular attendance, over 50 as a season ticket and shareholder, I do not attend because of Pulis. I detested him and the football he played at Stoke, and I made a very hard decision, that I am not a hypocrite, and will stay away from the Hawthorns until he leaves.
61 years me, loved Megson, love Pulis, proper managers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 22, 2015, 10:02:44 AM
I nicked this off Twitter, but agree entirely...

10th in PL after 6 games. 4 clean sheets. Only conceded v MC & CFC. Still in cup. Won at Villa.

But Pulis football isn't good enough.

In Pulis we trust!  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 22, 2015, 10:09:36 AM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on September 22, 2015, 10:02:44 AM
I nicked this off Twitter, but agree entirely...

10th in PL after 6 games. 4 clean sheets. Only conceded v MC & CFC. Still in cup. Won at Villa.

But Pulis football isn't good enough.

In Pulis we trust!  :D

It amazing how game by game we seem awful and everyone is dejected but looking at the bigger picture things are good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 22, 2015, 10:15:41 AM

The big difference with Pulis seems to be that we play poor yet pick up points Southampton was a classic example.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 22, 2015, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on September 22, 2015, 10:02:44 AM
I nicked this off Twitter, but agree entirely...

10th in PL after 6 games. 4 clean sheets. Only conceded v MC & CFC. Still in cup. Won at Villa.

But Pulis football isn't good enough.

In Pulis we trust!  :D

Absolutely bang on that is  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 22, 2015, 10:49:43 AM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on September 22, 2015, 10:02:44 AM
I nicked this off Twitter, but agree entirely...

10th in PL after 6 games. 4 clean sheets. Only conceded v MC & CFC. Still in cup. Won at Villa.

But Pulis football isn't good enough.

In Pulis we trust!  :D
Best teletext manager in the league, always has been. If you only look at results he is superb. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 22, 2015, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on September 22, 2015, 10:49:43 AM
Best teletext manager in the league, always has been. If you only look at results he is superb. ;)

Results are all that matters ultimately....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 22, 2015, 11:17:13 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on September 22, 2015, 10:57:02 AM
Results are all that matters ultimately....
Absolutely, the bloke was built for the Premier League: Skin as thick as a Rhino and does what needs doing. Ok, sometimes it's hard to watch, but when you break it down he delivers his remit year after year.
Just hope a cup run is still on his agenda.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 22, 2015, 12:27:37 PM
A cup run is still on the agenda and is music to my ears that he's come out and said this:

http://mobile.wba.co.uk//news/article/wba-albion-pulis-norwich-2702772.aspx

''Four or five' doubts force head coach's hand
TONY Pulis has alerted Albion fans to enforced changes for tomorrow night's Capital One Cup clash at Norwich City (7.45pm).

The Baggies travel to Carrow Road with doubts over several players.

Pulis said: "I think it's only right to let the supporters know we will have to make changes.

"It's a long trip and we appreciate their backing on a midweek night, but we've come back from Villa with four or five knocks and niggles, which we cannot take chances with.

"I'm thankful that we don't have to play until Monday, which helps us a little.

"I will still put out what I consider to be a strong team and I am desperate to win the game - I think I've already shown that I have a commitment and respect to cup competitions.

"But it's only fair the supporters are aware that on this occasion we will be forced into changes."



To come out and say 'look I'm forced to play what you guys might think is a weakened side but I want to do well in the cup' is refreshing especially before the game. Usually it'd be used as an excuse afterwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 22, 2015, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on September 22, 2015, 12:27:37 PM
A cup run is still on the agenda and is music to my ears that he's come out and said this:

http://mobile.wba.co.uk//news/article/wba-albion-pulis-norwich-2702772.aspx

''Four or five' doubts force head coach's hand
TONY Pulis has alerted Albion fans to enforced changes for tomorrow night's Capital One Cup clash at Norwich City (7.45pm).

The Baggies travel to Carrow Road with doubts over several players.

Pulis said: "I think it's only right to let the supporters know we will have to make changes.

"It's a long trip and we appreciate their backing on a midweek night, but we've come back from Villa with four or five knocks and niggles, which we cannot take chances with.

"I'm thankful that we don't have to play until Monday, which helps us a little.

"I will still put out what I consider to be a strong team and I am desperate to win the game - I think I've already shown that I have a commitment and respect to cup competitions.

"But it's only fair the supporters are aware that on this occasion we will be forced into changes."



To come out and say 'look I'm forced to play what you guys might think is a weakened side but I want to do well in the cup' is refreshing especially before the game. Usually it'd be used as an excuse afterwards.

far, far, better way to do things than the Ipswich debacle
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 22, 2015, 12:50:01 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 22, 2015, 12:43:23 PM
far, far, better way to do things than the Ipswich debacle

I agree mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on September 22, 2015, 04:47:09 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on September 22, 2015, 05:22:54 AM
61 years me, loved Megson, love Pulis, proper managers
Well said with proper realism. I agree 100%
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 22, 2015, 06:18:34 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on September 22, 2015, 12:27:37 PM
A cup run is still on the agenda and is music to my ears that he's come out and said this:

http://mobile.wba.co.uk//news/article/wba-albion-pulis-norwich-2702772.aspx

''Four or five' doubts force head coach's hand
TONY Pulis has alerted Albion fans to enforced changes for tomorrow night's Capital One Cup clash at Norwich City (7.45pm).

The Baggies travel to Carrow Road with doubts over several players.

Pulis said: "I think it's only right to let the supporters know we will have to make changes.

"It's a long trip and we appreciate their backing on a midweek night, but we've come back from Villa with four or five knocks and niggles, which we cannot take chances with.

"I'm thankful that we don't have to play until Monday, which helps us a little.

"I will still put out what I consider to be a strong team and I am desperate to win the game - I think I've already shown that I have a commitment and respect to cup competitions.

"But it's only fair the supporters are aware that on this occasion we will be forced into changes."



To come out and say 'look I'm forced to play what you guys might think is a weakened side but I want to do well in the cup' is refreshing especially before the game. Usually it'd be used as an excuse afterwards.
it also shows he cares what the fans think about him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on September 22, 2015, 06:56:05 PM
Pulis haters have gone quiet?

I won't say I told you so just yet  8)

#CapsOn
#COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 22, 2015, 07:28:15 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on September 22, 2015, 06:56:05 PM
Pulis haters have gone quiet?

I won't say I told you so just yet  8)

#CapsOn
#COYB

How quiet is this board after we win? We beat the Seals and there is barely a peep while we draw to Southampton and everyone is up in arms
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 22, 2015, 08:43:12 PM
I have noticed that aswell fella!

Im ecstatic about beating Villa away, it made an already awesome weekend awesome2.0

If we had lost however this thread would be red hot
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on September 22, 2015, 08:46:58 PM
I was far too busy celebrating, only stopped last night.
Started again now with another couple, really enjoying the Blue's performance.
The Vile really are pooh at the mo'.
SOTV.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 22, 2015, 08:47:54 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on September 22, 2015, 08:46:58 PM
I was far too busy celebrating, only stopped last night.
Started again now with another couple, really enjoying the Blue's performance.
The Vile really are pooh at the mo'.
SOTV.
 8).

Couldn't agree more

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 22, 2015, 09:40:35 PM
My opinion on Pulis hasn't changed one bit, it will take more than one derby victory to win me over, I'm not fickle.  My reservations regarding his managerial style are deep rooted and based on what I've seen and known for the best part of a decade.

However, I'm also not pig headed enough to hold onto a view through sheer stubbornness, if we see  more balanced performances like the one displayed against Villa I'll be more than happy.  The comments by Fletcher and Evans post match about players being asked to express themselves more gives me some hope.  Credit for Saturday, excellent away performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 22, 2015, 10:11:14 PM
We've just beaten our p. poor neighbours away from home, it's unlikely TP will get much criticism this week.

Villa are rubbish, we were better. Hopefully TP will now recognise we can attack and still not lose but a leopard rarely changes his spots. We have more clean sheets than most teams but only Newcastle have scored less goals than us and against 11 men we have yet to get into double figures of shots (on or off target!) in a game.

Exciting times to be an Albion fan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 22, 2015, 10:18:03 PM
I said it the other week that our transition from defence to attack simply hasn't been anywhere near good enough, that is partly down to the players themselves and equally down to the set up of the side. That was so much better against Villa but it needs to like it much more consistently to convince me he's the right man for the job over the long term.

The comments from Evans, Fletcher and Pulis himself after the game on Saturday are definitely encouraging but the proof is in the pudding as they say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on September 22, 2015, 10:29:09 PM
I'm far from a Pulis basher but we played good stuff vs West Ham last season, and then turned other drab performances afterwards. I hope we keep up the performance from the Villa game but I sort of know we won't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 22, 2015, 10:31:07 PM
I hope that TP watched tonight's game of vile vs blouse.
When blouse kept the ball on the ground, they matched and even bettered the vile.
The second half, blouse hoofed and it changed the game...They lost too much possession.
With the ball on the ground, you have more control...Up in the air, and it is just down to a few lucky bounces.
Keep and sweep, is the name of the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 22, 2015, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 22, 2015, 09:40:35 PM
My opinion on Pulis hasn't changed one bit, it will take more than one derby victory to win me over, I'm not fickle.  My reservations regarding his managerial style are deep rooted and based on what I've seen and known for the best part of a decade.

However, I'm also not pig headed enough to hold onto a view through sheer stubbornness, if we see  more balanced performances like the one displayed against Villa I'll be more than happy.  The comments by Fletcher and Evans post match about players being asked to express themselves more gives me some hope.  Credit for Saturday, excellent away performance.

TP is canny. That is a comment very much in the Mourinho style. If we play poorly offensively it is the players failing to "express themselves" ie not the head coach failing to "express himself".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 22, 2015, 10:41:23 PM
Quote from: GrGr on September 22, 2015, 10:34:37 PM
TP is canny. That is a comment very much in the Mourinho style. If we play poorly offensively it is the players failing to "express themselves" ie not the head coach failing to "express himself".
Sorry..That is just like blaming the missus for not being good in bed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 22, 2015, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on September 22, 2015, 10:41:23 PM
Sorry..That is just like blaming the missus for not being good in bed.

This isn't a good argument. My ex missus really WASN'T good in bed. No, really.  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 22, 2015, 10:49:47 PM
I also got rid of my first..I keep the second informed that she is only number 2!..Keeps her up to speed.  ;D :o :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 23, 2015, 07:28:41 PM
Mrs Pulis has picked the team today?

Well can't knock him really although were resting a few first teamers. Sessi &  gnarby 2 strikers and both forgotton fullbacks are playing. Talk about the man at back said everyone attack!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on September 23, 2015, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on September 23, 2015, 07:28:41 PM
Mrs Pulis has picked the team today?

Well can't knock him really although were resting a few first teamers. Sessi &  gnarby 2 strikers and both forgotton fullbacks are playing. Talk about the man at back said everyone attack!

id forgot we signed gnabry
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 23, 2015, 08:30:02 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on September 23, 2015, 07:28:41 PM
Talk about the man at back said everyone attack!

Ballroom Blitz! Brilliant track. Party on!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 23, 2015, 09:38:07 PM
Interesting after the game tonight. Pulls plays players that many of us have wanted to see: Gnabry, Gamboa, Chester, and they don't seem to have made an impact. Yet he also manages to play a bunch of people out of position: Chester should be CB, Dawson should be RB seeing as he has made that place his own, hard to know what to say about playing Anichebe in DM.

In the end though I guess this is why I was pleased with the performance on Saturday, but not high-fiving my way down Pulis street. In the end thats one good performance so far this season - the rest have been shockers.

I have to say that if I was Chester, for example, and I get my chance, but get played out of position and have Anichebe in front of me in DM, then I think I would be asking what the F is going on.

We've been well beaten by Norwich - who incidentally play passing, attacking football. Not great really.

Hopefully the next Premier League fixture will see us return to a performance like Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 23, 2015, 09:44:03 PM
Quote from: frazzle on September 23, 2015, 09:38:07 PM
Interesting after the game tonight. Pulls plays players that many of us have wanted to see: Gnabry, Gamboa, Chester, and they don't seem to have made an impact. Yet he also manages to play a bunch of people out of position: Chester should be CB, Dawson should be RB seeing as he has made that place his own, hard to know what to say about playing Anichebe in DM.

In the end though I guess this is why I was pleased with the performance on Saturday, but not high-fiving my way down Pulis street. In the end thats one good performance so far this season - the rest have been shockers.

I have to say that if I was Chester, for example, and I get my chance, but get played out of position and have Anichebe in front of me in DM, then I think I would be asking what the F is going on.

We've been well beaten by Norwich - who incidentally play passing, attacking football. Not great really.

Hopefully the next Premier League fixture will see us return to a performance like Saturday.
We've also proven this season that we can match teams who play passing, attacking football so that is a mute point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on September 23, 2015, 09:45:07 PM
Should be able to pick a better balanced team than that. Not sure what you can learn about the fringe players with that setup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies on September 23, 2015, 09:47:59 PM
Quote from: Lego on September 23, 2015, 09:45:07 PM
Should be able to pick a better balanced team than that. Not sure what you can learn about the fringe players with that setup.

Nothing Lego. Nothing at all. If anything we threw them under a bus as the fans who travelled will think they were poor but in an unbalanced side at this level, they will always struggle.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 23, 2015, 09:50:14 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 23, 2015, 09:44:03 PM
We've also proven this season that we can match teams who play passing, attacking football so that is a mute point.

Norwich are a team that are 5 or 6 games into their return to the Premier League. My point is that you can play decent football and get results. Not moot at all.

Regardless, it was clearly a bit of an odd team and its a sham that we've gone out. But its not the end of the world. As I say, I just hope that Saturday has set the standard.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on September 23, 2015, 10:19:22 PM
Did they field most of there usual starting eleven tonight ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on September 23, 2015, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on September 23, 2015, 10:19:22 PM
Did they field most of there usual starting eleven tonight ?
No, an almost reserve line up - just like us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 23, 2015, 11:39:07 PM
One possibility is that Pulis is starting to fancy Saturday's squad line up to ruffle more than a few feathers this year. Could well have given them 2 or 3 days off since Saturday and now he'll start working them for the Everton game on Monday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 24, 2015, 05:12:47 AM
I hope he's learned from last night that the squad is nowhere near strong enough
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 24, 2015, 07:00:09 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 24, 2015, 05:12:47 AM
I hope he's learned from last night that the squad is nowhere near strong enough
Given he wanted more players in the window i think he already knew that , still very annoying though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 24, 2015, 07:49:04 AM
Great man management. Hang 'em out to dry.

Wonder how the conversation went? "Here you go X, opportunity for you to shine and show me your pushing for a regular first team place. We are playing two big strikers, neither are very mobile and one is going to be controlling the midfield. Back four, all competent, but we're going with my first choice right back at centre half, left back who last featured in a first team squad (?) and a right back who we paid  £8M for but is still learning the position. Aware that you haven't played much together, that big striker is going to play defensive midfield to help protect you. As everyone is asking for them, going to play with two dedicated wide men. I appreciate you haven't played with them much but I'm expecting quick ball for our mobile striker to get on the end of and convert. In order to gain control of the middle of the park and the tempo of game, I'm going to play a left sided midfielder on the left side of midfield (!) and a right wing back in right midfield. Now, we are taking this seriously, so can you welcome our goalkeeper, Anders Lindegaard. Used to sit on the bench at Arsenal but has brought his own gloves. Tactics wise, well we can make it up as we go along, but don't worry if it isn't going to plan, we've got some big hitters on the bench who we can bring on to change the game if needed. I forget their names but we have notes from their mums to say they can stay up late if we make it to extra time or penalties. Good luck, you can do this, your West Brom future depends on it."


*all of the above is entirely fictional and probably didn't happen. .. apart from the hung out to dry bit ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
I made the trip up to be part of the 500 or so following, Glad that sess, poco and gamboa played what sort of incentives they have to do well I don't know but that's another story.

From what I can see of him it looks like Lambert has got eyes on retirement completely uninterested, Gnabry looked poor I thought to, Very little spark.

Pulis gave the heads up to those traveling that he will be making wholesale changes. Norwich fans took it as seriously as we did I think judging by how many empty seats there was but I'm sure if they manage to beat Everton in next round they will start to appear same as any club.

Bit disappointed same as whenever we lose but I know we don't take cups seriously so you don't expect to do well, Any talk of a final again for a long long time is unfortunately pretty daft we had our chance under Mowbray in the semi-finals and didn't take it.

Been to 6 games seen 1 goal against 9 men Stoke so far this season even then I was taking a whizz in the toilets  :D.

Think we could get something against Everton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on September 24, 2015, 09:01:33 AM
I'm sorry but the manager was taking the pi55 out of us all last night.

I could tolerate the bizarre team selection and formation (answers on a postcard if anyone had a clue what that was)but given we obviously had no real interest in the competition why in gods name could the team not be sent out to play football and at least have a go. Not a single shot in the first half tell you exactly what "game plan" they had been given. same old dog excrement football which sadly will be repeated in most games this season whatever team are picked. But hey we will probably stay up so its all ok!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 09:08:47 AM
The squad is not as big in some positions nor talented as some say it is either, Thats stood out to me last few years since Ashworth and Roy left.

Scrub Lambert off hes performance was a disgrace last night and we are left with Rondon and Berahino as our only real strikers, Then you got Victor who can play everywhere even holding midfield  :o.

No cover for Yacob either God help us if he gets injured.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 24, 2015, 10:08:26 AM
TP was like a god in here saturday night.

He came out tuesday and said there would be changes, but i think hes took the pi5s with that team selection and tactics.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on September 24, 2015, 10:14:54 AM
I was on such a high after Saturday and I could of dealt with losing but TP when too far with his selection, big vic at cm is a disgrace and sadly Pulis has let the fans down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 10:22:43 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 24, 2015, 10:08:26 AM
TP was like a god in here saturday night.

He came out tuesday and said there would be changes, but i think hes took the pi5s with that team selection and tactics.



Nothings changed for me mate that villa win has given him a few weeks in my good books regardless   ;D.

Nothing will change with Pulis he is what he is you have to take it for exactly that, Some of our lot go to extreme either side of that ie slagging him off or thinking we will finish top 10.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on September 24, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
if his intention was to experiment he should have played the kids up front in particular Edwards,we already know lambert and anchibe aint interested so what not try and find out something useful in this game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 24, 2015, 10:54:04 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 24, 2015, 10:08:26 AM
TP was like a god in here saturday night.

He came out tuesday and said there would be changes, but i think hes took the pi5s with that team selection and tactics.
Pulis wasn't like a god here at all , over reaction at it's finest .
The vast majority just came out and agreed this side is going to take time and Villa was a much better performance that we hope to see more of , of course there are a few that hate Villa that much any coach that beats them is a god!.
I didn't go last night due to work commitments (normally do Carrow Road ) but even though TP warned about changes I wasn't expecting that , I'm very disappointed to go out in that fashion and not what I expected from TP in the cups at all. All I can say is I hope there is very good reason behind it all.
What I will say is regardless of formation its a chance for Poco , Sess , Gamboa , Vic and Chester to show TP they can add something to the first team (I can't say how they played).
If we had played mainly first team (which I would have) there would have been people asking why the above players didn't feature , all we can hope is some lessons have been learnt all round.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 24, 2015, 11:01:12 AM
Quote from: Dexy on September 24, 2015, 10:54:04 AM
Pulis wasn't like a god here at all , over reaction at it's finest .
The vast majority just came out and agreed this side is going to take time and Villa was a much better performance that we hope to see more of , of course there are a few that hate Villa that much any coach that beats them is a god!.
I didn't go last night due to work commitments (normally do Carrow Road ) but even though TP warned about changes I wasn't expecting that , I'm very disappointed to go out in that fashion and not what I expected from TP in the cups at all. All I can say is I hope there is very good reason behind it all.
What I will say is regardless of formation its a chance for Poco , Sess , Gamboa , Vic and Chester to show TP they can add something to the first team (I can't say how they played).
If we had played mainly first team (which I would have) there would have been people asking why the above players didn't feature , all we can hope is some lessons have been learnt all round.

Read back through the posts.

Give it 3 more weeks and the football will still be poor
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 11:10:14 AM
Agree Dexy it's a no win situation.

 I would keep Pulis this season to ensure we get the pay out this summer for staying up and then if nothing changes look to something a tad more unknown and exciting ie Mcinnes. I don't think that will happen I honestly think Pulis will be here for a few years and I don't blame the club for playing it safe either especially with the money at stake, As a fan though it gets a bit stale at times.

Peace make the right decision I'm sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 24, 2015, 11:14:02 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 24, 2015, 11:01:12 AM
Read back through the posts.

Give it 3 more weeks and the football will still be poor
I'm a mod , I read posts more times than you moan about Pulis  :)
Again nobody is falling in love with TP bar the odd one or two and if they do thats their choice , i suspect 4 4 2 will return at some point which doesn't suit us at all and we struggle but we aren't even 10 games in yet with quite a few new players. It's got to improve , it's got to improve a lot and Villa was one small step forward but TP must be given time , we all know the clubs struggled for years on and off the pitch. As annoyed as i am about Norwich im not going to hang TP for that just yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: Dexy on September 24, 2015, 11:14:02 AM
I'm a mod , I read posts more times than you moan about Pulis  :)
Again nobody is falling in love with TP bar the odd one or two and if they do thats their choice , i suspect 4 4 2 will return at some point which doesn't suit us at all and we struggle but we aren't even 10 games in yet with quite a few new players. It's got to improve , it's got to improve a lot and Villa was one small step forward but TP must be given time , we all know the clubs struggled for years on and off the pitch. As annoyed as i am about Norwich im not going to hang TP for that just yet.

Has it got to improve a lot though ?.

As everyone can see Sunderland and Newcastle are sinking faster than the titanic, If survival is our sole aim after six years in this league then it shouldn't be to hard, Especially with 10 defenders  :D.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 24, 2015, 11:22:26 AM
Quote from: Dexy on September 24, 2015, 11:14:02 AM
I'm a mod , I read posts more times than you moan about Pulis  :)
Again nobody is falling in love with TP bar the odd one or two and if they do thats their choice , i suspect 4 4 2 will return at some point which doesn't suit us at all and we struggle but we aren't even 10 games in yet with quite a few new players. It's got to improve , it's got to improve a lot and Villa was one small step forward but TP must be given time , we all know the clubs struggled for years on and off the pitch. As annoyed as i am about Norwich im not going to hang TP for that just yet.

Im not saying hang him on the 1 performance.

If he thinks he can pull off sick vic in centre of midfield then im worried. Is he really that tactically naive? Is this a sign of things to come?

Id give him until the summer, he will keep us up no doubt but id seriously look at what else is available.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 24, 2015, 11:33:26 AM
I agree on Vic , I'm not the biggest fan either.
I know TP doesn't suit everyone but I'm not interested in Pulis Stoke , Pulis Palace , Pulisball or Pulisbaseball cap ....i'll judge what he does here over time. For my money he did a great job with a struggling , unfit squad that had been going downhill since Steve Clarke's second season , that alone for me gives him a good chunk of time to rebuild this squad.....if he fails ,he fails then thats that.
As I say the footballs got to improve , Watford away , Saints at home ...dreadful but again early days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 24, 2015, 12:02:16 PM
Quote from: Dexy on September 24, 2015, 11:33:26 AM
I agree on Vic , I'm not the biggest fan either.
I know TP doesn't suit everyone but I'm not interested in Pulis Stoke , Pulis Palace , Pulisball or Pulisbaseball cap ....i'll judge what he does here over time. For my money he did a great job with a struggling , unfit squad that had been going downhill since Steve Clarke's second season , that alone for me gives him a good chunk of time to rebuild this squad.....if he fails ,he fails then thats that.
As I say the footballs got to improve , Watford away , Saints at home ...dreadful but again early days.

I'm concerned about this 'rebuild' he's started. Rondon and Evans aside he seems to have just added more poor players to the squad this summer. Until we start signing more quality we will continue to struggle. That said he will keep us up though as defensively we are generally decent and there are a few poorer sides in this league. That it appears is all that matter sadly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 24, 2015, 12:17:54 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 24, 2015, 12:02:16 PM
I'm concerned about this 'rebuild' he's started. Rondon and Evans aside he seems to have just added more poor players to the squad this summer. Until we start signing more quality we will continue to struggle. That said he will keep us up though as defensively we are generally decent and there are a few poorer sides in this league. That it appears is all that matter sadly.
Fletcher , McManaman (when fit) , Rondon , Evans (personally wasn't keen) all seem so far to be upgrades on previous players. Jury very much still out on McLean , Chester and Lindgarrd as still very early days....can't see any poor players yet. Our issue looks to be areas we didn't cover.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 24, 2015, 01:14:50 PM
If we played how we did last week vs villa most games then i doubt this thread would even exist.

Another international weekend coming up, how long before TP starts moaning about that or makes it an excuse to how poor we have played.

Monday night will be interesting viewing, cant wait to see what team he picks. I doubt it will change much from last Saturday so we will get the chance to see us perform after 2 weeks of hard training against a half decent everton team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 24, 2015, 01:19:05 PM
Anyone heard his comments today with the radio journalists, little snipe at Peace I thought, a comment along the lines of 'the chairman keeps saying we have spent such and such but not all the fees are up front'.  Then talks about West Brom being a club where people around the place are too comfortable.  Seems to me his little digs only come after a defeat, likes to deflect. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 24, 2015, 01:44:49 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 24, 2015, 01:19:05 PM
Anyone heard his comments today with the radio journalists, little snipe at Peace I thought, a comment along the lines of 'the chairman keeps saying we have spent such and such but not all the fees are up front'.  Then talks about West Brom being a club where people around the place are too comfortable.  Seems to me his little digs only come after a defeat, likes to deflect.

I think ultimately the pressure to secure points and provide acceptable performance levels will get to TP,
There are clearly stresses on all managers reporting to JP, its going to be interesting to see how TP handles that stress.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 24, 2015, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 24, 2015, 01:44:49 PM
I think ultimately the pressure to secure points and provide acceptable performance levels will get to TP,
There are clearly stresses on all managers reporting to JP, its going to be interesting to see how TP handles that stress.

Fair comment.  Although from the outside it seems JP has been very accommodating to TP compared to some of his other appointments, not only with regard to money but the power base he has been afforded.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 24, 2015, 02:04:30 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 24, 2015, 01:49:35 PM
Fair comment.  Although from the outside it seems JP has been very accommodating to TP compared to some of his other appointments, not only with regard to money but the power base he has been afforded.

Good point, that is how it seems so to us, but, TP could have a different perspective having not seen first hand how tightly his predecessors were controlled.

The snipes (if indeed thats what they are) will only lead to more friction and therefore more stress, therefore more snipes......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 24, 2015, 02:29:30 PM
TP has control over pretty much everything the club has done in the transfer market. The line is drawn on budget and the price at which players are sold. If he has left himself short in areas e.g. central midfield by letting Mulumbu and even O'Neil go (whatever their limitations at least they are Midfielders) it is his fault.

I wouldn't criticise the players we have bought in because we haven't seen a lot of some of them and half a dozen games is hardly enough to be sure of what we have or even what TP's long term plan is for them. I wouldn't judge them too harshly for last night because throwing a bunch of players into an ad-hoc XI is hardly showcasing their talents.

One of the few plus points with regard to TP's tenure is that he had reputation for taking the cup's seriously last night dented that, even a much changed side could still have had some sort of discernible structure to it and okay play youngsters or fringe players but at least put them in their best positions.

I am not swinging in and out of love with Pulis on a game by game basis, I'm skeptical but took the Villa game as an encouraging sign of progress but if I am prepared to do that I think his supporters have to look at last night and admit he just got that wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 24, 2015, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Standaman on September 24, 2015, 02:29:30 PM
TP has control over pretty much everything the club has done in the transfer market. The line is drawn on budget and the price at which players are sold. If he has left himself short in areas e.g. central midfield by letting Mulumbu and even O'Neil go (whatever their limitations at least they are Midfielders) it is his fault.

I wouldn't criticise the players we have bought in because we haven't seen a lot of some of them and half a dozen games is hardly enough to be sure of what we have or even what TP's long term plan is for them. I wouldn't judge them too harshly for last night because throwing a bunch of players into an ad-hoc XI is hardly showcasing their talents.

One of the few plus points with regard to TP's tenure is that he had reputation for taking the cup's seriously last night dented that, even a much changed side could still have had some sort of discernible structure to it and okay play youngsters or fringe players but at least put them in their best positions.

I am not swinging in and out of love with Pulis on a game by game basis, I'm skeptical but took the Villa game as an encouraging sign of progress but if I am prepared to do that I think his supporters have to look at last night and admit he just got that wrong.


Dented ???  Like the freaking titanic had a slight crease !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 24, 2015, 03:51:28 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 24, 2015, 01:19:05 PM
Anyone heard his comments today with the radio journalists, little snipe at Peace I thought, a comment along the lines of 'the chairman keeps saying we have spent such and such but not all the fees are up front'.  Then talks about West Brom being a club where people around the place are too comfortable.  Seems to me his little digs only come after a defeat, likes to deflect.
Really disappointed that he is trying to deflect the blame for last night. He got it massively wrong, or right if he wanted to get out of the damn thing, and should have the guts to say so.
Peace may be held accountable for many things but last night is not one of them!
And who are the 'too comfortable' people? If it's players he picked last night then, why did he pick them?
I like the guy in the main, but I can't stand spiteful digs and diversion when we lose. Man up!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 24, 2015, 04:20:21 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 24, 2015, 03:00:41 PM

Dented ???  Like the freaking titanic had a slight crease !

Last season he fielded strong sides for the FA Cup ties even against Gateshead and we don't know how serious the "knocks" were to those left out, I suspect if the regular starters all play against Everton we can assume they weren't too serious. However he can redeem the situation in the FA Cup. So overall dented not snogging the face off the iceberg just yet :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 24, 2015, 05:34:48 PM
I suppose the international boys ....Rondon, Morrison and the 3 Irish lads have played quite a bit of football (and Brunt had that hamstring scare that forced him off early against Port Vale). I don't suppose Fletcher was going to play...he's obviously got his issues, save him for league games. Saido.... well the choice was to use this 9 days between Villa and Everton to get more fitness work into him or play him last night. Then Lindegard was likely to get a game as was Gnabry....soon the changes mount up
Maybe Yacob should have played so we had a semblance of a midfield and formation but he may be carrying something after putting himself about and spreading himself against Villa.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on September 24, 2015, 06:13:52 PM
its one step forward 3 steps back with this bloke,i think we would all agree v vile he sends out our best possible 11[mac for mclean aside] the majority playing in the correct position too,and 3 days later there is this,who was playing in midfield,its almost as if he just put out all the so called back up players sent them out regardless of tactics or positioning,the back 4 looked ok but the rest of them what a joke,words fail me
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 24, 2015, 07:20:52 PM
Quote from: BB74 on September 22, 2015, 10:09:36 AM
It amazing how game by game we seem awful and everyone is dejected but looking at the bigger picture things are good.
Some say Tom hanks is a good actor, and clearly has earns a living, I don't agree and won't watch his films
My choice, my money , and I like entertainment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 24, 2015, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 24, 2015, 07:20:52 PM
Some say Tom hanks is a good actor, and clearly has earns a living, I don't agree and won't watch his films
My choice, my money , and I like entertainment

Not quite the same, you have no personal attachment to Hanks (In assume  :D), by your example you should support different teams every week. Liverpool in 2013, Swansea this season, Soton last? Also what entertains some doesn't entertain others so it's subjective anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 24, 2015, 07:36:50 PM
Glad I'm in Sharm El  Sheikh this week!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 07:38:55 PM
Yeah just listened to the interview he gave on the goalzone today, Another swipe at JP, Amazing that we only spent 12 million upfront if that's true in the summer. Went on to say again that to many are too comfortable with themselves and we have got the group we have got eluding to the fact things could of gone better in the window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 24, 2015, 07:47:06 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 24, 2015, 01:19:05 PM
Anyone heard his comments today with the radio journalists, little snipe at Peace I thought, a comment along the lines of 'the chairman keeps saying we have spent such and such but not all the fees are up front'.  Then talks about West Brom being a club where people around the place are too comfortable.  Seems to me his little digs only come after a defeat, likes to deflect.

It makes no difference whether the fees for the players that we have bought are payable up front or not.  The whole sum payable is still a future liability of the club which has to be paid for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 24, 2015, 07:48:47 PM
Its going to en in tears  :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 24, 2015, 07:49:20 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 07:38:55 PM
Yeah just listened to the interview he gave on the goalzone today, Another swipe at JP, Amazing that we only spent 12 million upfront if that's true in the summer. Went on to say again that to many are too comfortable with themselves and we have got the group we have got eluding to the fact things could of gone better in the window.
I agree with that.

I do like Pulis as a manager, and I have backed him in terms of his ability on the pitch. However, it's a fact that we spent something like the 7th highest net this season, which is massive for us.
Then, he comes out with sly comments like this - hinting towards the chairman to spend more.
In my eyes, we don't really need to spend extra in January, unless there's an injury crisis or Berahino goes. January will be interesting!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 07:52:27 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 24, 2015, 07:48:47 PM
Its going to en in tears  :(

I think it will eventually whether it's January, Next summer or a couple of years on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on September 24, 2015, 08:12:40 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 07:38:55 PM
Yeah just listened to the interview he gave on the goalzone today, Another swipe at JP, Amazing that we only spent 12 million upfront if that's true in the summer. Went on to say again that to many are too comfortable with themselves and we have got the group we have got eluding to the fact things could of gone better in the window.

He needs to concentrate on his own job rather than take cheap shots at JP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 08:18:01 PM
Quote from: gerry m on September 24, 2015, 08:12:40 PM
He needs to concentrate on his own job rather than take cheap shots at JP.

For such a massive winner he does seem to deflect a lot of blame from himself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 24, 2015, 08:31:45 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 24, 2015, 07:47:06 PM
It makes no difference whether the fees for the players that we have bought are payable up front or not.  The whole sum payable is still a future liability of the club which has to be paid for.
Absolutely right, therefore it was an utterly pointless thing to say and in my opinion just a tactic used to deflect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 24, 2015, 08:35:21 PM
Does that make us hypocritical of what spurs offered us for saido?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 24, 2015, 08:51:25 PM
Might help if he played players in the right positions.

I like Pulis' honestly and forthrightness. He was man enough to say when he got it wrong against Man City. And yes, we could and should have done more in the window. But ultimately, the team and their performance sit with him.

Thought we were better against Villa, but the amount of changes last night was shocking. Especially as you consider our next game isn't until Monday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 24, 2015, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 24, 2015, 08:35:21 PM
Does that make us hypocritical of what spurs offered us for saido?

No.  It was the proportion of the up front payment that didn't sit right not the fact that payments were to be staged. 

And regardless, these are deals we have successfully negotiated, that were right for us and right for the selling club, if we feel the deal Spurs offered was not acceptable (staged or none staged) then we are well within our rights to reject it - and that we did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 09:03:59 PM
I think he's just maybe a tad sour we didn't get in one or two more that we was after.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 24, 2015, 10:04:12 PM
If the comments are aimed at Peace then he either hasn't taken much notice before or hasnt listened to advice given to him when considering the role . Peace must be well known in football circles for how he runs the club. Whether Pulis or anyone agrees or disagrees tough luck Peace is what he is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 24, 2015, 10:05:31 PM
Every manager we've had has had a little dig at Peace and got frustrated at times, nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on September 24, 2015, 10:23:48 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on September 24, 2015, 03:51:28 PM
Really disappointed that he is trying to deflect the blame for last night. He got it massively wrong, or right if he wanted to get out of the damn thing, and should have the guts to say so.
Peace may be held accountable for many things but last night is not one of them!
And who are the 'too comfortable' people? If it's players he picked last night then, why did he pick them?
I like the guy in the main, but I can't stand spiteful digs and diversion when we lose. Man up!
exactly calls people comfortable and high fives anichibe for wandering around carrow road for 70mins
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 24, 2015, 10:42:16 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 09:03:59 PM
I think he's just maybe a tad sour we didn't get in one or two more that we was after.

He signed Chester for lots of millions didn't he? While I see that we needed to sort out the defense TP himself is the man in charge and has to take responsibility.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 24, 2015, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: GrGr on September 24, 2015, 10:42:16 PM
He signed Chester for lots of millions didn't he? While I see that we needed to sort out the defense TP himself is the man in charge and has to take responsibility.

I think Chester isn't playing due to GMac having so far played a stormer.

I think TP's intention was maybe to bring Dawson inside and play Chester at RB. I think come Feb/March we'll see that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 25, 2015, 12:58:35 PM
As far as I'm concerned Dawson is a rb now he improves there each game. From what iv seen of Chester in that position I wouldn't want him playing there even on an odd occasion let alone on a regular basis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2015, 03:56:59 PM
TP's transfer window leaves a lot to be desired.
Lambert and Chester....Ooer.
Jury still out on Romdon.
He also got shot of Brown.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 25, 2015, 04:11:43 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2015, 03:56:59 PM
TP's transfer window leaves a lot to be desired.
Lambert and Chester....Ooer.
Jury still out on Romdon.
He also got shot of Brown.
I've been critical of TP but I actually disagree with this to some extent. 

The Rondon transfer is a real coup for a club of our size and I think he will prove an excellent addition.  Chester is a very good centre back, better than anything we have on our books bar Evans, however the problem with him is Pulis isn't going to play him in his correct position.  Lambert is looking poor but was universally deemed a good signing most, not sure Pulis could have foreseen his shockingly rapid decline.  Letting Brown go does however look a mistake with Lambert and Sic Vic not up to standard and Berahino possibly off in January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on September 25, 2015, 04:21:53 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on September 24, 2015, 10:23:48 PM
exactly calls people comfortable and high fives anichibe for wandering around carrow road for 70mins
I think he high fives him for proving to him (TP) that he is totally useless thus proving TP was right all along!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 28, 2015, 03:28:01 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 25, 2015, 04:11:43 PM
I've been critical of TP but I actually disagree with this to some extent. 

The Rondon transfer is a real coup for a club of our size and I think he will prove an excellent addition.  Chester is a very good centre back, better than anything we have on our books bar Evans, however the problem with him is Pulis isn't going to play him in his correct position.  Lambert is looking poor but was universally deemed a good signing most, not sure Pulis could have foreseen his shockingly rapid decline.  Letting Brown go does however look a mistake with Lambert and Sic Vic not up to standard and Berahino possibly off in January.

 Lambert is looking poor but was universally deemed a good signing

not universally  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on September 28, 2015, 09:48:12 PM
Brace yourselves, the haters are going to hate tonight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 09:56:41 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on September 28, 2015, 09:48:12 PM
Brace yourselves, the haters are going to hate tonight

Why?  If we play Pulis ball he gets a point minimum. This bunch of cnuts can't be trusted at home when they try to have a go at teams. Give me the Southampton game over this shambles any day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 28, 2015, 09:57:22 PM
my view on his football style will never change, win lose or draw but his tactics cost us tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 28, 2015, 09:58:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 09:56:41 PM
Why?  If we play Pulis ball he gets a point minimum. This bunch of cnuts can't be trusted at home when they try to have a go at teams. Give me the Southampton game over this shambles any day.
Play like we did against southampton and Everton would've attacked all game.. We'd have lost either way as the 2nd half proved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 28, 2015, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 09:56:41 PM
Why?  If we play Pulis ball he gets a point minimum. This bunch of cnuts can't be trusted at home when they try to have a go at teams. Give me the Southampton game over this shambles any day.

Who do you blame for that?

We lost today due to poor defending. Chester and Brunt very poor defensively. Pulis didn't really help by putting the useless Gardner on either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 28, 2015, 10:01:49 PM
Pulis' tactics make Dim Tim look good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:02:18 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 28, 2015, 09:58:56 PM
Play like we did against southampton and Everton would've attacked all game.. We'd have lost either way as the 2nd half proved.

You honestly have no idea do you? They beat us on the break when we were winning. 10 men behind the ball it's another 0-0.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 28, 2015, 10:04:30 PM
Pulls bottled it tonight I think  by bringing on Gardner. Game was made for C Mac tonight, someone to run at young Everton full backs.....and give us width and pace. Starting to seriously wonder about Pulis signings of Chester and Lambert.....not good starts?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on September 28, 2015, 10:05:06 PM
Outdone tactically by Martinez tonight.

Pulis made the tactical change to take off Rondon and put Gardner on which allowed Martinez to take a defender off and put Gibson on in midfield and bring on Kone.  That changed the game and brought Lukaku into the game and all of a sudden we couldn't cope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 28, 2015, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:02:18 PM
You honestly have no idea do you? They beat us on the break when we were winning. 10 men behind the ball it's another 0-0.
Is that break the 1st one when we had 6 players in our own box? or the 2nd goal that was offside with the entire 2 banks of four in position? or the third which you could take your pick of what was wrong with it... and again had the defense in position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 28, 2015, 10:09:34 PM
The linesman bent his head to see kone onside unbelievable,3rd one handball although Dawson tackle left much to be desired .Cant believe Lambert missed the target we were really unlucky.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:12:43 PM
Pulis cannot win.  We play out and the players concede 3 goals at home every time. Pulis' fault.  We play defensively. Clean sheets galore steady flow of points. Negative Pulis pooh. There is no fabled fine balance with this group of bottlers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 28, 2015, 10:14:39 PM
Wrong sub. McLean should have gone off for mcmannaman. We had no outlets all game in reality and didn't test their fullbacks who were uoung and relatively inexperienced, not entirely sure how we scored 2 goals but more vexed by the negative change and how we have lost from that position, and that nob colleymore can troll.

Negative changes and line up haven't helped us think they had a weak defence and if targeted down flanks we could have got a positive result. Pulis too negative for his own good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 28, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
Lukaku was the difference for them, we'll be fine this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 28, 2015, 10:15:53 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:12:43 PM
Pulis cannot win.  We play out and the players concede 3 goals at home every time. Pulis' fault.  We play defensively. Clean sheets galore steady flow of points. Negative Pulis rubbish. There is no fabled fine balance with this group of bottlers.

Pulis aint even giving it a go to win or win anything mate he just sits back and hopes to hit teams with the odd goal.

I watched hes interview or last two with the mail and offical and how he constantly goes on about winners, Its so cringy you would think floyd maywehter or sir Alex is talking.

Guys an idiot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 28, 2015, 10:16:40 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on September 28, 2015, 10:09:34 PM
The linesman bent his head to see kone onside unbelievable,3rd one handball although Dawson tackle left much to be desired .Cant believe Lambert missed the target we were really unlucky.
we wasn't really unlucky at all, we was outsmarted by a positive move from the opposition manager after a negative decision from pulis. once gardner came on pulis showed his hand and Martinez played a master stroke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 28, 2015, 10:17:49 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:12:43 PM
Pulis cannot win.  We play out and the players concede 3 goals at home every time. Pulis' fault.  We play defensively. Clean sheets galore steady flow of points. Negative Pulis rubbish. There is no fabled fine balance with this group of bottlers.
The point at which we conceded the goals is when we became defensive  ;) I do agree the players should have done better and we still will not be relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 28, 2015, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 28, 2015, 10:16:40 PM
we wasn't really unlucky at all, we was outsmarted by a positive move from the opposition manager after a negative decision from pulis. once gardner came on pulis showed his hand and Martinez played a master stroke.
Other managers will have noted the fact that Pulis will go defensive at some point. They will then turn the screw by bringing on their forwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 28, 2015, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 28, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
Lukaku was the difference for them, we'll be fine this season.

Im not being condescending or anything before i ask you this question mate let me make that clear, Are you happy with that ? safety 40 odd points per season no hope of winning a cup despite what some of our fans believe and just constant premiership football ?, If so then fair play i personally believe our club and fans deserve the chance of some excitement again whether through playing attractively or going for a cup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on September 28, 2015, 10:20:34 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 28, 2015, 10:16:40 PM
we wasn't really unlucky at all, we was outsmarted by a positive move from the opposition manager after a negative decision from pulis. once gardner came on pulis showed his hand and Martinez played a master stroke.
Fine margins; to concede so fast after our second goal knocked us for 6 and you could see it and sense it in the crowd. They had a real lift and there was only one winner for me.
I think we'll be ok.
PS Not convinced with Chester at all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:21:05 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 28, 2015, 10:17:49 PM
The point at which we conceded the goals is when we became defensive  ;) I do agree the players should have done better and we still will not be relegated.

We didn't go negative though. We brought Gardner on who should never get near the pitch because he's a terrible footballer not because he's a negative sub. We carried on playing the exact same way.

Quote from: BobTaylor on September 28, 2015, 10:15:53 PM
Pulis aint even giving it a go to win or win anything mate he just sits back and hopes to hit teams with the odd goal.

I watched hes interview or last two with the mail and offical and how he constantly goes on about winners, Its so cringy you would think floyd maywehter or sir Alex is talking.

Guys an idiot.

He's about the only competent person at the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 28, 2015, 10:22:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:21:05 PM
We didn't go negative though. We brought Gardner on who should never get near the pitch because he's a terrible footballer not because he's a negative sub. We carried on playing the exact same way.

He's about the only competent person at the club.

Well thats interesting and if correct then whoever else you are referring to need to pack there bags mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 28, 2015, 10:28:59 PM
Same story I'm afraid. Whatever the result everyone piles on this thread and either criticises Pulis or gloats at the anti-Pulis brigade.

I'm as anti-Pulis as it gets, but the first hour was again, a better performance. Unfortunately I think he signalled how the last 30mins would play out by taking off a striker and adding a central midfielder and playing him out of position.

Fletcher and Evans deserved better from today I think.

Anyway, it's not fun being an Albion fan any more, and I don't really have that sense of pride that I've had for a long time now, so I'm going to do other things with my time for a while.

In the meantime lets try not to fall out with each other. I've been forthright in my views, but only because I love the club, no different to anyone else on here.

Cheers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 28, 2015, 10:31:57 PM
I have lost track of how many times I have said on the forum, that attack is the best form of defence.
This was proven when we went 2-0 up...We backed off, gave them the park and paid the price.
Pulis should have realised that if we attack, they have to stay back....not us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 28, 2015, 10:32:13 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:21:05 PM
We didn't go negative though. We brought Gardner on who should never get near the pitch because he's a terrible footballer not because he's a negative sub. We carried on playing the exact same way.

He's about the only competent person at the club.
but it wasn't a positive move either was it, he could have played macca and tried to win the game but instead put the useless gardner on who I am still trying to decide what tf he gives us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 28, 2015, 10:34:01 PM
This will always be my club and i will when i can make the effort to go to games but i must say the pub is getting every so tempting and pick a few away games for the day out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 28, 2015, 10:38:46 PM
still hoping he walks to be honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 28, 2015, 10:40:06 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on September 28, 2015, 10:31:57 PM
I have lost track of how many times I have said on the forum, that attack is the best form of defence.
This was proven when we went 2-0 up...We backed off, gave them the park and paid the price.
Pulis should have realised that if we attack, they have to stay back....not us.
old saying but its true, we have players such as macca, sess or gnabry who can attack but the wise one went for gardner. its so ridiculous I am laughing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 28, 2015, 10:40:26 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:21:05 PM
We carried on playing the exact same way.
Maybe that was the problem then, taking your big target man off and replacing him with a wide midfielder and not changing your style of play  (even though we went defensive  ;) :D)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:43:53 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 28, 2015, 10:32:13 PM
but it wasn't a positive move either was it, he could have played macca and tried to win the game but instead put the useless gardner on who I am still trying to decide what tf he gives us.

It was the correct substitution but they should have shut up shop but they didn't because theyre useless. Morrison and Fletcher getting caught or giving ball away cost us last 2 goals.

No idea how anyone can blame anyone but the players tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 28, 2015, 10:47:41 PM
To be fair Rondon did little and Everton were getting up the Albion left side at ease , as much as i'm not a Gardner fan it was a logical sub to make at the time. Overall losing Gmac , Olsson , Kone being offside....we've been unlucky tonight.
The signs of a decent side are coming ,the passing again was much improved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 28, 2015, 10:47:52 PM
The first time in the Premier League that Pulis has lost a 2-0 lead. His tactics can't be that bad then. Football is just luck most of the time, Lukaku won the game not Martinez.

Ask Sunderland fans if they would love Pulis at their club. Let's look where we were before Pulis came in. Why are some expectations so high?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 28, 2015, 10:50:21 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 28, 2015, 10:47:52 PM
The first time in the Premier League that Pulis has lost a 2-0 lead. His tactics can't be that bad then. Football is just luck most of the time, Lukaku won the game not Martinez.
To be more impressive, how many 2 goal leads has he had?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on September 28, 2015, 10:52:15 PM
that's me done now with pulis he is to blame for this rubbish tonight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 28, 2015, 10:53:08 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 28, 2015, 10:50:21 PM
To be more impressive, how many 2 goal leads has he had?

Maybe not a lot but a lot of 1-0 wins which suggest a Pulis team doesn't give away leads very easily so I don't think all of a sudden his tactics are letting him down. Everton won due to the quality of Lukaku and a bit of luck. If we would have held on a few minutes longer while winning 2-0 we would have won, conceding so soon gave Everton a lot of momentum and knocked the stuffing out of us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 28, 2015, 10:55:36 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 28, 2015, 10:50:21 PM
To be more impressive, how many 2 goal leads has he had?
Plenty id imagine to have been a manager as long as he has , i can remember a few against the Albion anyway!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 28, 2015, 10:56:33 PM
I do think we need more variety at home this season or else we'll be reliant picking up 'back to the walls ' away wins ....again. Surely Pulus can see we need to be on the front foot more, not all out attack but playing more progressive and with more width. I know he tried to make the game narrow, block the midfield when we we're 2-1 up but we were under the cosh and had 30mins to play. Pulis does need to have a look at his in game decisions tonight I think as he was definitely out smarted by Martinez.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 28, 2015, 11:08:32 PM
Have any of Pulis' signings done anything yet?
Money wasted so far.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on September 28, 2015, 11:10:51 PM
I'm the last one who wants to see defensive , negative tactics, especially at home, but the trouble is, we haven't got that much creativity in the team. Tonight most creativity came from Morisson, Fletcher and Brunt, with several flashes from Berahino. I think we missed out in the last transfer window. Rondon, Lambert or McLean don't offer a great deal of threat. As for Chester, I'm really struggling to understand why we paid £8 million for him.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 28, 2015, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on September 28, 2015, 11:08:32 PM
Have any of Pulis' signings done anything yet?
Money wasted so far.
Only Evans looks consistent quality of the summer signings so far,,,,,worrying!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 28, 2015, 11:30:36 PM
Well, those asking for more open play, that is exactly what can happen, and was a similar throw-away result to a Pepe Mel game, but "At least he went for it".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on September 28, 2015, 11:34:59 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 28, 2015, 11:30:36 PM
Well, those asking for more open play, that is exactly what can happen, and was a similar throw-away result to a Pepe Mel game, but "At least he went for it".

How can bringing Gardener on for a  forward mean going for it? Which is when we lost the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 28, 2015, 11:39:44 PM
Quote from: alex1 on September 28, 2015, 11:34:59 PM
How can bringing Gardener on for a  forward mean going for it? Which is when we lost the game.

That was partly the reason, but we also became much more open and ill-disciplined when we went 2-0 up, when Rondon was playing, it was as much as a mental thing as a tactical one.

I definitely agree that bringing off Rondon for Gardner worsened us as a side and lead to the defeat. However, we also got at Everton during the match and were far more open than usual, I am not on about the last 25 minutes either, but the entire game. Some times we got away with it (Barkley in the first half), others we got punished.

TP definitely was at fault to an extent, but it's no surprise that we ship 3 when we also have one of our most creative games of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 28, 2015, 11:55:46 PM
At least resting the players for Norwich worked out well for us :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 29, 2015, 12:06:15 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:12:43 PM
Pulis cannot win.  We play out and the players concede 3 goals at home every time. Pulis' fault.  We play defensively. Clean sheets galore steady flow of points. Negative Pulis rubbish. There is no fabled fine balance with this group of bottlers.

Hardly the case really.

After our second goal we effectively went into Pulisball mode. We gave up challenging in the middle, we gave up attacking, we sat deeper and deeper and hoofed the ball away at more or less every opportunity. And of course, we had the mind numbing defensive substitution of Craig Gardner.

Maybe if we had a presence upfront, some genuine pace and width out wide, we may have been able to turn the tide?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 29, 2015, 12:09:10 AM
Just my hunch but when Pulis was appointed i said i felt he would keep us up but wouldnt last this season and i still feel that way.

Radio WM talk rubbish at times but heard Sneekes last week saying all doesnt seem well behind the scenes, he isnt some journalist looking to cause trouble and would of had experience of these things.

Listening to some of Pulis's comments lately i agree with Sneekes, Pulis seems a frustrated man, just pointless things like saying we didnt actually spend that much upfront, we didnt do enough in the window, there arent enough winners at the club, etc all may be fair comment but not stuff you really need to broadcast.

I heard a snippet on WM on way to game earlier and he said that all clubs make signings where the player isnt as good as they thought they would be and all managers make mistakes, i couldnt hear the full rest of it due to noise but the presenter appeared to say Pulis was aiming that at  a couple of his own signings and with the way the likes of Chester, Lambert, Gnabry, Mcmanaman feature, makes you wonder if its aimed at a couple of those.

I like Pulis as a bloke and he may not be happy and has met the difficulties that other managers have under JP (rightly or wrongly) but i think he plays a clever game in deflecting the blame, the whole Berahino thing being a good example, saying that he thought we should keep him but by all accounts actually wanting to sell him so we could buy Phillips and Austin (though credit to Pulis for how he has got Berahino back involved)

I dont think he will be sacked as he is probably safe hands to keep us up ready for the even bigger money next season, but he may walk out, only thing is if he did it wouldnt look great on him with what happened at Palace and if he wants another firefighting job it would most likely be Xmas time so he would have decisions to make,  but just a hunch i think there will be a tip of the iceberg moment and he will walk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 29, 2015, 12:09:32 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 28, 2015, 11:30:36 PM
Well, those asking for more open play, that is exactly what can happen, and was a similar throw-away result to a Pepe Mel game, but "At least he went for it".

Funnily enough when we went for it we got ourselves 2-0 up and looked comfortable.

Then we became so negative we forgot what actually worked..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 29, 2015, 12:14:24 AM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 29, 2015, 12:09:32 AM
Funnily enough when we went for it we got ourselves 2-0 up and looked comfortable.

Then we became so negative we forgot what actually worked..

That just isn't what happened mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooter on September 29, 2015, 12:14:36 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 24, 2015, 08:35:21 PM
Does that make us hypocritical of what spurs offered us for saido?

No, because usual is 50% upfront, rest in installments.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Vassassin on September 29, 2015, 12:32:01 AM
Regardless of the tactics and also the substitution of Rondon for Gardner, luck, as mentioned in many of the previous post played a very big part in the outcome. Unluckily we lose 2 CBs that can go toe to toe with Romelu and end up with Chester being outmuscled for the first goal that goes in off Rom's forearm, unluckily our players don't do a Man Utd and surround the ref demanding a hand ball. Unluckily, Rondon plays the ball and doesn't drop to the ground when pushed in the back making it a pretty obvious call for a penalty. Second goal, our fill in LB unluckily finds himself just close enough so that the lino has a semi difficult call on an obvious off side. Third goal and Rom handles the ball before putting it away. Luck is a bitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 29, 2015, 01:39:09 AM
The linesman was straight in line upright then he tilt his head at an angle no wonder he saw onsides.Whag kind of logic is that?tilting your head  behind the play to see the line RIDICULOUS.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 29, 2015, 06:48:37 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:43:53 PM
It was the correct substitution but they should have shut up shop but they didn't because theyre useless. Morrison and Fletcher getting caught or giving ball away cost us last 2 goals.

No idea how anyone can blame anyone but the players tonight.
Spot on Jacko
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 29, 2015, 07:04:33 AM
My dad made an interesting point he thought we are at our most vulnerable when we have the ball and going forward, We lose defensive shape and then when we lose the ball teams just hit us on the break.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 29, 2015, 08:01:47 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2015, 10:43:53 PM
It was the correct substitution but they should have shut up shop but they didn't because theyre useless. Morrison and Fletcher getting caught or giving ball away cost us last 2 goals.

No idea how anyone can blame anyone but the players tonight.

It wasnt the correct substitution. Rondon should have came off for either Mcmanaman or anichebe. We didn't have an outlet with gardner on the pitch. The only outlet was to hoof it up to saido. To set up that way for 22 mins is suicide. Everton went to 3 at the back when they had the ball pushing the left back into left midfield overloading us. We needed someone to push him back but pulis played into martinezs hands
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 29, 2015, 08:31:18 AM
I didn't think last night was that bad. First 15 mins we set the tempo/pattern for the game when I expected us to sit back and let Everton monopolise possession. After that the last 30 minutes of the first half was pretty dull for a neutral but boring in a different way to the Southampton game.

Second half I thought we started well enough again, nothing earth shattering but a decent enough balance to the side and performance. I think if we had gone 5 minutes from the 2nd goal without conceding we coast the game out for a comfortable 2-0. Instead they score and it was shades of Clarke/Mel where even at 2-1 up you could see what was coming and it seemed inevitable we would go on and lose it.

I think it was a really poor move to bring Gardner on and really played in to Everton hands. Tactically poor, however it's move most managers in the league make in similar positions and although I don't agree with it I don't think its something you can really hammer Pulis for. It was frustrating to see us change the tactics that had finally got us a 2-0/2-1 lead and immediately revert to type, however as 'type' is normally a drab 0-0 I can see why he did it. The difference was when we normally do it at 0-0 teams cant go all out at us where as Everton had nothing to lose so could fully commit and we couldn't cope (I'm still not convinced Pulis famed defensive strengths are much more than safety by numbers but we will see I guess)

I'd have changed a few things last night, Mcmanaman for Mclean (who had a decent game defensively) and Lambert/Anichebe for Rondon if the sub had to be made but there was nothing massively wrong with last night in my opinion. A side like us is always going to lose more than we win and when a player like Lukaku turns it out we will struggle more times than not like most other sides would (see Everton-Southampton earlier in the season).

My main concern last night is Chester and to a slightly lesser extent Mcmanaman. Both look like absolute wastes at the moment and it's hard to see that changing as things stand.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 29, 2015, 10:03:22 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 29, 2015, 08:31:18 AM
I didn't think last night was that bad. First 15 mins we set the tempo/pattern for the game when I expected us to sit back and let Everton monopolise possession. After that the last 30 minutes of the first half was pretty dull for a neutral but boring in a different way to the Southampton game.

Second half I thought we started well enough again, nothing earth shattering but a decent enough balance to the side and performance. I think if we had gone 5 minutes from the 2nd goal without conceding we coast the game out for a comfortable 2-0. Instead they score and it was shades of Clarke/Mel where even at 2-1 up you could see what was coming and it seemed inevitable we would go on and lose it.

I think it was a really poor move to bring Gardner on and really played in to Everton hands. Tactically poor, however it's move most managers in the league make in similar positions and although I don't agree with it I don't think its something you can really hammer Pulis for. It was frustrating to see us change the tactics that had finally got us a 2-0/2-1 lead and immediately revert to type, however as 'type' is normally a drab 0-0 I can see why he did it. The difference was when we normally do it at 0-0 teams cant go all out at us where as Everton had nothing to lose so could fully commit and we couldn't cope (I'm still not convinced Pulis famed defensive strengths are much more than safety by numbers but we will see I guess)

I'd have changed a few things last night, Mcmanaman for Mclean (who had a decent game defensively) and Lambert/Anichebe for Rondon if the sub had to be made but there was nothing massively wrong with last night in my opinion. A side like us is always going to lose more than we win and when a player like Lukaku turns it out we will struggle more times than not like most other sides would (see Everton-Southampton earlier in the season).

My main concern last night is Chester and to a slightly lesser extent Mcmanaman. Both look like absolute wastes at the moment and it's hard to see that changing as things stand.

The only thing that i felt was wrong last night was the timing of the gardner sub, it was simply too early. The last 10 minutes then yes shut up the shop but 22 minutes + stoppage time then that was suicide as i said before. That blame must lie with the manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on September 29, 2015, 10:07:15 AM
Pulis totally at fault last night.

I noticed up until the 60th minute last night we pressed very well, their backline were drawn into longer balls, which doesn’t suit them , hence the 2-0 lead.  But then why oh why did he change that stance and look to play containing football.

I know Rondon picked up a calf injury in the first half, however, why not go like for like and bring lambert on, or move Saido up top and bring Callum/Gnabry on rather than Gardner (who is quite frankly a complete waste of space!).

Everton train 5 days a week and I would guess most of that involves playing against 2 banks of 4 and learning how to breakdown that setup. They thrived on it, and it showed.

Pulis is far too negative for my real liking. I expected long ball football when he came, and granted we don’t resport to that tactic too much but you don’t have to play long ball to be negative. The set up of our team home and away, going into games and during games, is far too negative and this will only ever see us finish 12th-20th. No ambition whatsoever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 29, 2015, 10:13:02 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 29, 2015, 12:14:24 AM
That just isn't what happened mate.
that is how it happened, wrong substitution, macmanaman should have came on, then we would have had an outlet after going 2-0 up they should have continued playing the way they had been, we looked fine, but no we have to go deep again!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 29, 2015, 10:20:18 AM
Pulis is no bad manager I'm no fan but he has he's strong points ie clean sheets and 1-0 wins now and again, He gets backed with money in windows whatever club he's been at and achieves the bare minimum.

I think what scares a lot of fans is that we could go for an attacking manager and find ourselves relegated at the end of the campaign, A lot of our fans love this premiership lark however at times it bores me stiff I must say.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 29, 2015, 10:22:08 AM
What can you blame Pulis for last night?

Initial team selection and set up - not really besides which we managed to get 2:0 up and matched a good Everton side for possession and showed some attacking intent which was sadly lacking against Southampton. I am in no doubt had we tried to play the same way we did against Southampton we would have still lost but probably by 1:0 without having a shot on target.

Substitutions - Rondon had chased and harried for 65 minutes and had not given the Everton's centre backs time on the ball but was pretty much running on empty so no issue there. He chose Gardner to shore up the right flank and moved Berahino central with McClean going out to the left. It could be argued that he should have bought Lambert or Anichebe on to give us a better out ball and a fresh pair of legs up front.

Individual errors by our players Were the players concerned playing out of position? No Were they being asked to do things that they were incapable of doing? No. I guess that is down to the players then not the coach. Now whether those players should have been bought to the club by the Coach is a different matter but for instance when Lambert is presented with a guilt edged chance to salvage a point the coach does have a right to expect a striker to take it whereas if he had thrown a defender forward then maybe he is less entitled to expect him to score.

Perversely I am more encouraged to by last night certainly the first hour of the game than I was by the Southampton game. My fear is that is Pulis will just take the negatives from the game and for the next few weeks go ultra defensive and we will give up trying to attack at all. 



 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 29, 2015, 11:46:18 AM
I still believe if Everton didn't make a catalogue of errors for the first goal we would be discussing a draw now or maybe a 1-0 win off a Dawson header, I really don't think pulis wanted the game to unravel the way it did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 29, 2015, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on September 29, 2015, 11:44:31 AM
I'm sorry, but though i'm pro-Pulis, that result was a direct both tactical and mental effect of him making the Gardener for Rondon substitution. Even turned to my Dad at the time of the change and said how poor a decision that really was and it was going to cost us.

It was more than just the change of personnel, it sent out a statement of intent to Everton as if to say "We're done attacking for the day, we're just going to grind out the result", which is why they responded by throwing another striker on and attacking, eventually winning the game as a result.

Sorry but last night's throw away was down to Pulis.

I'm not a Pulis fan and agree the sub didn't work as it did send out the message we were going all out defence and let Everton bring on more attacking players. However I think it's a sub many other managers in the league would have made in a similar position. Hypothetically if he had brought on Mcmanaman to play on the left and Delefeou got away to set up the goals some would have criticised him for not shoring us up by bringing on someone like Gardner although obviously we will never know how it would have played out. So wrong decision but not completely responsible for throwing away a 2 goal lead.

Strangely after last night I'm more optimistic than I've been since the West Ham/Swansea week last season. My worry is now Pulis forgets the half decent opening hour than got us 2-0 up and instead focuses on the last half hour where we lost 3-0 and decides we need to be more solid and hard working. Ironically it was going defensive that cost us the goals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on September 29, 2015, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 29, 2015, 12:47:19 PM
I'm not a Pulis fan and agree the sub didn't work as it did send out the message we were going all out defence and let Everton bring on more attacking players. However I think it's a sub many other managers in the league would have made in a similar position. Hypothetically if he had brought on Mcmanaman to play on the left and Delefeou got away to set up the goals some would have criticised him for not shoring us up by bringing on someone like Gardner although obviously we will never know how it would have played out. So wrong decision but not completely responsible for throwing away a 2 goal lead.

Strangely after last night I'm more optimistic than I've been since the West Ham/Swansea week last season. My worry is now Pulis forgets the half decent opening hour than got us 2-0 up and instead focuses on the last half hour where we lost 3-0 and decides we need to be more solid and hard working. Ironically it was going defensive that cost us the goals.

Its a sub that most would have done but not on 68 minutes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 29, 2015, 12:53:39 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on September 29, 2015, 12:52:45 PM
Its a sub that most would have done but not on 68 minutes.

I agree, far too premature !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on September 29, 2015, 01:04:28 PM
Rondon was struggling with a calf injury picked up in the first half by Halfords Lane stand!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 29, 2015, 01:06:05 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on September 29, 2015, 01:04:28 PM
Rondon was struggling with a calf injury picked up in the first half by Halfords Lane stand!

so he should have gone like for like. Vic or Lumpert !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 29, 2015, 01:07:46 PM
The decision to put Gardner at all not only has me questioning his footballing brain but also his actual brain.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 29, 2015, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 29, 2015, 07:04:33 AM
My dad made an interesting point he thought we are at our most vulnerable when we have the ball and going forward, We lose defensive shape and then when we lose the ball teams just hit us on the break.

Great, well on that note we might as well not bother attacking or having possession of the ball at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 29, 2015, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 29, 2015, 01:12:01 PM
Great, well on that note we might as well not bother attacking or having possession of the ball at all.

Don't say that too loud, TP may be listening!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on September 29, 2015, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 29, 2015, 01:12:43 PM
Don't say that too loud, TP may be listening!

Bloody psychic you are.
 :P ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 29, 2015, 02:39:04 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on September 29, 2015, 01:13:48 PM
Bloody psychic you are.
 :P ;).

Nah mate,  Leo !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on September 29, 2015, 04:14:37 PM
The theory and timing of trying to tighten it up a bit when we did last night was in my opinion totally fine. The flaw in the substitution though was that the player we brought on to do the said tightening up job was Craig Gardner. He has to be the ultimate headless chicken and how he plays regular Premier League football is beyond me. Also,like someone else said on here today, when you have the likes of Fletcher and Morrison losing possession cheaply in key areas too, it is no surprise we shipped in the goals we did. We can't be expected to make a tactical change to tighten up when players lack the basic ability to keep hold of the ball and see the game out. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on September 29, 2015, 04:17:47 PM
I see the popularity rating at the top of the page is beginning to drop.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on September 29, 2015, 04:45:23 PM
 
Quote from: Standaman on September 29, 2015, 10:22:08 AM
What can you blame Pulis for last night?

Initial team selection and set up - not really besides which we managed to get 2:0 up and matched a good Everton side for possession and showed some attacking intent which was sadly lacking against Southampton. I am in no doubt had we tried to play the same way we did against Southampton we would have still lost but probably by 1:0 without having a shot on target.

Substitutions - Rondon had chased and harried for 65 minutes and had not given the Everton's centre backs time on the ball but was pretty much running on empty so no issue there. He chose Gardner to shore up the right flank and moved Berahino central with McClean going out to the left. It could be argued that he should have bought Lambert or Anichebe on to give us a better out ball and a fresh pair of legs up front.

Should have added that I am in full agreement with this. Just a thought though does anybody else feel that Sick Vic has a role to play as an impact sub in exactly this sort of situation. The ball sticks reasonably well he can bully tired centre backs and would most likely have finished the Lambert chance. Plus Saido seems to have worked pretty well with him in the recent past.


Individual errors by our players Were the players concerned playing out of position? No Were they being asked to do things that they were incapable of doing? No. I guess that is down to the players then not the coach. Now whether those players should have been bought to the club by the Coach is a different matter but for instance when Lambert is presented with a guilt edged chance to salvage a point the coach does have a right to expect a striker to take it whereas if he had thrown a defender forward then maybe he is less entitled to expect him to score.

Perversely I am more encouraged to by last night certainly the first hour of the game than I was by the Southampton game. My fear is that is Pulis will just take the negatives from the game and for the next few weeks go ultra defensive and we will give up trying to attack at all. 



 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on September 29, 2015, 08:57:53 PM
well I actually thought we gave everton a better game than I imagined we would,there last goal was particularly lucky,in my opionion when ollson came off,he should have put dawson at centre back,and gardner at full back [I would have had poco on the bench thou],when rondon came off as we already had practically 10 defensive players left on the pitch it should have been mac coming on for an outlet on the counter but we invited pressure for the last 30 mins and you could see it coming
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 29, 2015, 09:12:35 PM
Has McManaman turned into Lionel Messi? I would have put him on and I have never rated Gardner but to assume he would all of a sudden be the one to make the difference seems a big ask. While he has impressed in flashes I don't think he is some world beater....He may have dived to win us a pen though ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 30, 2015, 03:17:20 PM
I have to say the last two league games ive been impressed and pleased with some of the football we have played , we seem to be working the ball through our midfield a lot better and taking a bit more time with our passing and movement. Of course the defending was a disappointment on Monday night but losing Gmac and Olsson against the massive Lukaku was a hammer blow (why we are still dependant on those two is another issue as with Chester's signing).
Looking at the big picture we now seem to have the fitness and work rate of a Pulis side so I'm hoping the football continues to slowly improve and we don't revert back to the rigid 4 4 2 with the long ball out after Mondays setback.
Not wanting to bring our previous coach into the topic but I could never really see progression under AI , I believe if we stick with the 4 2 3 1 we will continue to improve steadily under Pulis....could have done with a seasoned winger though!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 30, 2015, 03:53:06 PM
Quote from: Dexy on September 30, 2015, 03:17:20 PM
I have to say the last two league games ive been impressed and pleased with some of the football we have played , we seem to be working the ball through our midfield a lot better and taking a bit more time with our passing and movement. Of course the defending was a disappointment on Monday night but losing Gmac and Olsson against the massive Lukaku was a hammer blow (why we are still dependant on those two is another issue as with Chester's signing).
Looking at the big picture we now seem to have the fitness and work rate of a Pulis side so I'm hoping the football continues to slowly improve and we don't revert back to the rigid 4 4 2 with the long ball out after Mondays setback.
Not wanting to bring our previous coach into the topic but I could never really see progression under AI , I believe if we stick with the 4 2 3 1 we will continue to improve steadily under Pulis....could have done with a seasoned winger though!

I think your correct, the first 60 minutes was good, what happened subsequently was a damned shame, but there were 2 sides on the pitch i suppose and they grabbed the initiative once we relinquished it. Credit to them for that.
in short, better than it has been, now need to make it the same for 90-95 minutes please Tony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 30, 2015, 04:03:44 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 30, 2015, 03:53:06 PM
I think your correct, the first 60 minutes was good, what happened subsequently was a damned shame, but there were 2 sides on the pitch i suppose and they grabbed the initiative once we relinquished it. Credit to them for that.
in short, better than it has been, now need to make it the same for 90-95 minutes please Tony.
I still say we had some stinking luck on Monday , I was pleased we came out the traps again 2nd half which we usually fail to do over the last few years .The short , sharp passing between Fletcher , Yacob and Morrison has been very encouraging to our problem of constantly giving the ball away cheaply which again has been a long term problem . I believe the football is getting better , it's not all hoof and even Evans seems to come out with the ball trying to find a pass , just one of our long term problems that won't be solved in 2 months I'm afraid.
All that said I expect to see a return to old ways on Saturday lunch. :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on September 30, 2015, 05:53:31 PM
Thought Albion were simply unlucky yesterday.

 There was nothing wrong with the subs either. Everyone knows Berahino can't defend so Pulis brought Gardner on for Rondon, who looked completely knackered. Losing both Olsson and McAuley was a huge blow, and that showed when Lukaku brushed aside Chester far too easily for their first.

Everton didn't outplay West Brom by any means and neither did Martinez 'outwit' Pulis; as some are making out to be. They had three shots on target in the second half and they scored with all three of them. (With one being offside as well)

West Brom created more chances (McClean and Lambert both missed great opportunities) and even after Lukaku made it 2-1, it wasn't as if Albion were hanging on. They were actually pretty comfortable and the goal hadn't been coming.

Anyway,  overall it was a decent performance with a lot of positives. Just one of those days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 30, 2015, 05:58:23 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 30, 2015, 05:53:31 PM
Thought Albion were simply unlucky yesterday.

 There was nothing wrong with the subs either. Everyone knows Berahino can't defend so Pulis brought Gardner on for Rondon, who looked completely knackered. Losing both Olsson and McAuley was a huge blow, and that showed when Lukaku brushed aside Chester far too easily for their first.

Everton didn't outplay West Brom by any means and neither did Martinez 'outwit' Pulis; as some are making out to be. They had three shots on target in the second half and they scored with all three of them. (With one being offside as well)

West Brom created more chances (McClean and Lambert both missed great opportunities) and even after Lukaku made it 2-1, it wasn't as if Albion were hanging on. They were actually pretty comfortable and the goal hadn't been coming.

Anyway,  overall it was a decent performance with a lot of positives. Just one of those days.

Agree, we were just very unlucky. Plenty to be positive about, it's not all doom and gloom.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on September 30, 2015, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 30, 2015, 05:58:23 PM
Agree, we were just very unlucky. Plenty to be positive about, it's not all doom and gloom.  ;)

It is if you don't look at the truth and that poster before is just simply not telling the truth  :D, was an awful sub bringing Gardner on that put us under immense pressure.

Still I like the positivity on to the next.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on September 30, 2015, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on September 30, 2015, 06:08:04 PM
It is if you don't look at the truth and that poster before is just simply not telling the truth  :D, was an awful sub bringing Gardner on that put us under immense pressure.

Still I like the positivity on to the next.


Why do people think that bringing Gardner was an awful substitution? He came on against Villa at around the same time to shore up the left flank and he did pretty well on that occasion. Pulis brought him against Everton to do the same. The goals were in no way his fault.

Inviting pressure wasn't the problem; it was the way Albion did (or rather didn't) deal with the crosses into the box that ultimately cost them the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 30, 2015, 06:57:32 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 30, 2015, 06:22:50 PM

Why do people think that bringing Gardner was an awful substitution? He came on against Villa at around the same time to shore up the left flank and he did pretty well on that occasion. Pulis brought him against Everton to do the same. The goals were in no way his fault.

I thought it was a poor substitution, although obviously hindsight is a wonderful thing, I agree that Rondon needed to be taken off, he was knackered and possibly carrying a slight injury, however we needed the ball to 'stick' so personally I would have gone like for like and put Big Vic on.  He could have held the ball up, worked the Everton backline and given our attacks more of a focal point, furthermore he would have probably been quite fired up and eager to impress playing against his former club.  By taking Rondon off and putting Gardener on we lost our focal point and our main out ball and it simply invited pressure onto us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on September 30, 2015, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 30, 2015, 06:57:32 PM
I thought it was a poor substitution, although obviously hindsight is a wonderful thing, I agree that Rondon needed to be taken off, he was knackered and possibly carrying a slight injury, however we needed the ball to 'stick' so personally I would have gone like for like and put Big Vic on.  He could have held the ball up, worked the Everton backline and given our attacks more of a focal point, furthermore he would have probably been quite fired up and eager to impress playing against his former club.  By taking Rondon off and putting Gardener on we lost our focal point and our main out ball and it simply invited pressure onto us.

Where would Berahino play in that case? He's woeful on the wing (especially when the team has to defend).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on September 30, 2015, 07:13:12 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 30, 2015, 07:07:28 PM
Where would Berahino play in that case? He's woeful on the wing (especially when the team has to defend).

I think Berahino has been excellent on the occasions he has been asked to play out wide. His work rate and tracking back in that position is faultless. Everton away last season in one of TP's early games is a particular example that stands out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 30, 2015, 07:13:59 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 30, 2015, 07:07:28 PM
Where would Berahino play in that case? He's woeful on the wing (especially when the team has to defend).
Possibly taken him off for Gardener, so Gardener could have performed the job that you correctly point out he did so well against Villa, while we still would have retained a presence up front.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 01, 2015, 12:49:48 AM
Pulis made two blunders in the game the first being swapping Chester and Dawson at half time and the second being taking of a forward for a midfielder to try and see out the game, just inviting pressure three points given away by TP, wages should be docked
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on October 01, 2015, 03:02:23 AM
Quote from: paulosull on October 01, 2015, 12:49:48 AM
Pulis made two blunders in the game the first being swapping Chester and Dawson at half time and the second being taking of a forward for a midfielder to try and see out the game, just inviting pressure three points given away by TP, wages should be docked
Agreed! Poor player management cost us the game. The concerning thing is; like many have mentioned; we are pretty much playing our best available11 every league game and have a bench of kids and has beens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 01, 2015, 08:37:03 AM
Just an observation but with all the talk of the negative boring football under Pulis, the 2 Sky Monday night games so far have brought a total of 10 goals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on October 01, 2015, 08:48:43 AM
Will be interesting to see the back four this weekend should McAuley and Olsson still not be available.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 01, 2015, 10:41:05 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on October 01, 2015, 08:48:43 AM
Will be interesting to see the back four this weekend should McAuley and Olsson still not be available.
Sick Vic at Centre Half???  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 01, 2015, 10:59:45 AM
More chance of the utilitarian Gardner at C-H IMO
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 01, 2015, 11:32:06 AM
Quote from: Albionic on October 01, 2015, 10:59:45 AM
More chance of the utilitarian Gardner at C-H IMO
Where's the fainting emoticon........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 01, 2015, 11:35:05 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on October 01, 2015, 11:32:06 AM
Where's the fainting emoticon........

I tried to find an "embarrassing" one but failed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 01, 2015, 11:37:08 AM
As per previous posts i have been critical of Pulis's 'style' in the past but not going to go too over the top about Monday.

If there is one manager you would fancy to see out a 2-0 lead its Pulis, i think he did mess up with the subs and approach but i bet its one of the first times in his career that he threw away a 2-0 lead, we all mistakes so not going to crucify him for it.

Although the first half was limited it was better than Southampton and start of the second half we had a go and so that too me is progress, what happened after that is hopefully a one off with us conceding three, we were poor on some things but think Everton got lucky a bit too.

What i do hope is that Pulis can see the benefits to been more adventurous and learn from his mistakes with the subs and seeing out the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 01, 2015, 11:45:23 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on October 01, 2015, 11:37:08 AM
As per previous posts i have been critical of Pulis's 'style' in the past but not going to go too over the top about Monday.

If there is one manager you would fancy to see out a 2-0 lead its Pulis, i think he did mess up with the subs and approach but i bet its one of the first times in his career that he threw away a 2-0 lead, we all mistakes so not going to crucify him for it.

Although the first half was limited it was better than Southampton and start of the second half we had a go and so that too me is progress, what happened after that is hopefully a one off with us conceding three, we were poor on some things but think Everton got lucky a bit too.

What i do hope is that Pulis can see the benefits to been more adventurous and learn from his mistakes with the subs and seeing out the game.

Pulis won't be blaming the defeat on the substitutions. He'll be blaming it on the adventurous play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 01, 2015, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 01, 2015, 11:45:23 AM
Pulis won't be blaming the defeat on the substitutions. He'll be blaming it on the adventurous play.

That's my fear too. I'm sincerely hoping that Pulis and the players will have taken enough confidence in their performance in getting us playing the way we did to put us 2-0 up on Monday night to realise that is the way forward. If anything, it should tell Pulis that a so called safety first change of tactics/substitution doesn't necessarily mean we keep a clean sheet!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 01, 2015, 12:42:10 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 01, 2015, 11:45:23 AM
Pulis won't be blaming the defeat on the substitutions. He'll be blaming it on the adventurous play.
If Gardner starts on Saturday, which would not surprise me, then your statement will be proven beyond any doubt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 01, 2015, 12:47:09 PM
Similar to Roy in that respect - concede 3 in a game and it's back to basics for the next couple of games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 01, 2015, 12:49:30 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 30, 2015, 05:53:31 PM
Thought Albion were simply unlucky yesterday.

Steve Clarke was 'unlucky' quite a bit.

Pepe Mel was 'unlucky' from time to time.

Roberto Di Matteo had some real 'bad luck' towards the end of his time here.

If you're good enough and confident enough, you make your own luck. Thats why poor sides always seem to be on the receiving end of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 01, 2015, 01:13:25 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 01, 2015, 11:45:23 AM
Pulis won't be blaming the defeat on the substitutions. He'll be blaming it on the adventurous play.

Neither of those things had anything to do with the defeat. Albion simply lost because of an inability to deal with crosses into the box.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 01, 2015, 01:32:31 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 01, 2015, 01:13:25 PM
Neither of those things had anything to do with the defeat. Albion simply lost because of an inability to deal with crosses into the box.

But where did Everton's ability to put crosses into the box come from? It came from us losing cheap possession of the ball in our own half and that was due to players sitting too deep as the game went on and the inability of our midfield to keep hold of the ball and see a game out. We shouldn't have put ourselves in a position of having to defend balls into the box in the first place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on October 01, 2015, 01:39:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on October 01, 2015, 01:32:31 PM
But where did Everton's ability to put crosses into the box come from? It came from us losing cheap possession of the ball in our own half and that was due to players sitting too deep as the game went on and the inability of our midfield to keep hold of the ball and see a game out. We shouldn't have put ourselves in a position of having to defend balls into the box in the first place.

Easier said than done
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 01, 2015, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on September 30, 2015, 07:07:28 PM
Where would Berahino play in that case? He's woeful on the wing (especially when the team has to defend).

If Berahino was as woeful as you suggest then do you really think Tony Pulis, of all people, would play him on the wing?

The answer would be no and he would opt for a Gardner/McClean combination. For what its worth - Berahino, whenever asked, has been excellent on the wing. I remember his performance at Everton where he drew 0-0 and he was fantastic in countering the threat of the Everton full back. To say he is woeful does him tremendous dis-service, in my view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 01, 2015, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: Nathan on October 01, 2015, 01:32:31 PM
But where did Everton's ability to put crosses into the box come from? It came from us losing cheap possession of the ball in our own half and that was due to players sitting too deep as the game went on and the inability of our midfield to keep hold of the ball and see a game out. We shouldn't have put ourselves in a position of having to defend balls into the box in the first place.

To be fair they got a few good crosses in first half. As I see it Martinez identified the left back position and overloaded it and we didn't respond. Brunty played well but he cannot mark two players 5 yards apart. Added to this is the injury to Olsen and the subsequent disorganisation in defence.

As the earlier post said, easier said than done. TP probably regrets his choice of substitutions but hindsight is a wonderful thing........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 01, 2015, 02:06:23 PM
For all this  Berahino is poor/wasted/etc etc out wide stuff.It's where he tends to play for England and it doesn't seem to have done his record with them any harm..close to the scoring record I believe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 01, 2015, 02:10:42 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 01, 2015, 02:06:23 PM
For all this  Berahino is poor/wasted/etc etc out wide stuff.It's where he tends to play for England and it doesn't seem to have done his record with them any harm..close to the scoring record I believe.

Good point.

I think he gets through quite a bit of work to be honest. Certainly puts a shift in and comes back to help out in defence too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 01, 2015, 02:15:25 PM
I like him wide and a target man up top. Similiar to when Odemwingie played on the wing with Fortune up top which is what I feel works best for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on October 01, 2015, 02:54:51 PM
Remember him having a good game on the wing against Sunderland, pretty sure he scored both in a 2-2 draw ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 01, 2015, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on October 01, 2015, 02:10:42 PM
Good point.

I think he gets through quite a bit of work to be honest. Certainly puts a shift in and comes back to help out in defence too.
Even more so since his hissy fit, looks really up for it. Maybe guilt or, more likely, making sure he still has suitors come January. Either way he looks hungry.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 01, 2015, 04:05:07 PM
I'm not questioning the lad's effort. He does put in a shift. But he simply doesn't have the defensive nous to play there when the team's defending a lead. Gets caught ball watching and out of position numerous times, as was evident against both City and Villa.

The Olsson injury was a massive blow for the team. Both him and McAuley being out (and Lescott having been sold) meant that there was no Number 5 (As Pulis put it) to attack the first ball in the box and deal with the physical presence of Lukaku.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 01, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
fpvmtimbdbo,
have you played or coached in defence at a "high" level?

You seem to be very confident in your assessment of players defensive capabilities and defensive units tactical "nous".

I'm intrigued to know if this is based upon qualification or simply as a fans experience?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 01, 2015, 05:33:45 PM
Quote from: Albionic on October 01, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
fpvmtimbdbo,
have you played or coached in defence at a "high" level?

You seem to be very confident in your assessment of players defensive capabilities and defensive units tactical "nous".

I'm intrigued to know if this is based upon qualification or simply as a fans experience?

Its tony pulis or one of his staff. Got to be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 01, 2015, 05:40:41 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 01, 2015, 05:33:45 PM
Its tony pulis or one of his staff. Got to be.

Ask him if he prefers wearing a cap or a mullet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 03, 2015, 12:14:29 PM
Just saw a stat on BTSports, Albion with the lowest average possession in the league with 38%. Can tony Pulis honestly expect to not lose games when the other team has so much of the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 03, 2015, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 03, 2015, 12:14:29 PM
Just saw a stat on BTSports, Albion with the lowest average possession in the league with 38%. Can tony Pulis honestly expect to not lose games when the other team has so much of the ball.

That stat would be a lot lower if you strip out the Stoke game where we were playing against 9 men but in fairness in the two games he has played after ditching the 4-4-2 for a 4-2-3-1 we were above 40% possession which is in truth is not a problem. Possession stats in the low 30's mean your opponents have twice as much of the ball and that makes things very difficult for any side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 03, 2015, 12:41:48 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 03, 2015, 12:14:29 PM
Just saw a stat on BTSports, Albion with the lowest average possession in the league with 38%. Can tony Pulis honestly expect to not lose games when the other team has so much of the ball.

Palace had 43% and it's not doing them any harm  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 03, 2015, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on October 03, 2015, 12:41:48 PM
Palace had 43% and it's not doing them any harm  :)

I suppose the more interesting stat would be possession in opposition half versus your own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2015, 02:20:18 PM
He's the go to man to keep you up  if you're in trouble and no more than that. Should have got rid at the end of the season and built from there. As it is we've spent the most ever for precious little, and look worse than we did at the start of last season. If we stay up, regardless of how comfortable, we need to get someone progressive in. Every single player has got worse under Pulis in terms of actual ability on the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 03, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
Do people still think Pulis = Safety??

I'm not so sure, today was awful. Monday second half was awful. Norwich (cup i know) was awful. We've actually only played well V Chelsea; who went down to 10 men and we lost and V Villa.

I'm not convinced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on October 03, 2015, 02:35:21 PM
The sooner he leaves the better for me.   People may ask who do you bring in but I'd say anyone who plays half decent football and one who wants to at least try to play passing football.


I would even take a relegation to get rid of him and re-build.  I take no pleasure whatsoever in this football club right now under Pulis.  I have never felt this way before as an Albion fan but he has sucked the love out of supporting Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 03, 2015, 02:36:25 PM
Not good enough.

2 wins, one against 9 man Stoke & another against a shocking Aston Villa courtesy of a fluke goal.

The bloke's tactics are terrible & I have never been so bored watching my club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on October 03, 2015, 02:37:44 PM
The whole thing is boring and frustrating, the past 3 seasons have been Groundhog Day.
Bring in manager - overhaul squad - struggle - sack manager
Then bring in manager - overhaul squad - sack manager....
Repeat.

What's the point :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on October 03, 2015, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on October 03, 2015, 02:35:21 PM
The sooner he leaves the better for me.   People may ask who do you bring in but I'd say anyone who plays half decent football and one who wants to at least try to play passing football.


I would even take a relegation to get rid of him and re-build.  I take no pleasure whatsoever in this football club right now under Pulis.  I have never felt this way before as an Albion fan but he has sucked the love out of supporting Albion.
I echo every part of this post. For the first time in my life I have no interest in tuning into games. The sooner he's gone the sooner I get my club back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on October 03, 2015, 02:40:50 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on October 03, 2015, 02:37:54 PM
I echo every part of this post. For the first time in my life I have no interest in tuning into games. The sooner he's gone the sooner I get my club back.
Agree too...His style of anti football is embarrassing and an insult to the club and supporters...His time has come and gone and he has been found out..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingboing1989 on October 03, 2015, 02:42:04 PM
Get Pulus out and Get Rowatt in from the blues.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 03, 2015, 02:42:39 PM
Today's performance not acceptable, I'd even go as far as call it one of the most embarrassing performances I've seen from an Albion side. Hard to be positive after that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on October 03, 2015, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on October 03, 2015, 02:35:21 PM
The sooner he leaves the better for me.   People may ask who do you bring in but I'd say anyone who plays half decent football and one who wants to at least try to play passing football.


I would even take a relegation to get rid of him and re-build.  I take no pleasure whatsoever in this football club right now under Pulis.  I have never felt this way before as an Albion fan but he has sucked the love out of supporting Albion.

I couldn't agree more. I've always been a fan of what Pulis has achieved in the past and there was no doubt he was the man to take over last season - but only in the short term. He should have been given a bonus in the summer for keeping us up and then replaced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on October 03, 2015, 02:45:41 PM
Any chance he'll leave? I'd rather be relegated than watch that for the next 2-3 seasons. We're the Albion - we play football for better or worse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on October 03, 2015, 02:47:09 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on October 03, 2015, 02:45:24 PM
I couldn't agree more. I've always been a fan of what Pulis has achieved in the past and there was no doubt he was the man to take over last season - but only in the short term. He should have been given a bonus in the summer for keeping us up and then replaced.
Aye I think that's fair. Instead he's been allowed to spend £35m on transfers, a huge amount of money for a club like us, only to make us even more boring.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on October 03, 2015, 02:49:19 PM
Quote from: RogerBadoo on October 03, 2015, 02:45:41 PM
Any chance he'll leave? I'd rather be relegated than watch that for the next 2-3 seasons. We're the Albion - we play football for better or worse.

No chance he'll be sacked. More chance he will walk. I already think there may be issues behind the scenes between him and peace. I was a Pulis fan but I have to admit going is becoming a pain and I did not even bother following the match today as this result was inevitable. I really don't know where we go next if honest
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on October 03, 2015, 02:50:33 PM
Peace can't sack him. He changed the whole structure of the club and has given him loads of money :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 03, 2015, 02:50:44 PM
First time in a long while i was disinterested today. Think it's time for another plan because Pulis plan a clearly isn't working. We  potentiallyhave width and pace in the squad (mac a, gnabry, sess, berahinho) but he seems to refuse it time and again even as a late impact when we're trailing?

Is it me or does there seem something wrong somewhere? It's just a sense that the players aren't all fully buying in to Pulis' methods? Too many of them look almost disinterested or really lacking in confidence -  especially  the newer ones?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 03, 2015, 02:51:26 PM
Quote from: boingboing1989 on October 03, 2015, 02:42:04 PM
Get Pulus out and Get Rowatt in from the blues.
The man with a 75% win rate as Albion manager is out of work,but I think he had a fall out with Peace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on October 03, 2015, 02:55:34 PM
Quote from: darbolina on October 03, 2015, 02:50:44 PM
First time in a long while i was disinterested today. Think it's time for another plan because Pulis plan a clearly isn't working. We  potentiallyhave width and pace in the squad (mac a, gnabry, sess, berahinho) but he seems to refuse it time and again even as a late impact when we're trailing?

Is it me or does there seem something wrong somewhere? It's just a sense that the players aren't all fully buying in to Pulis' methods? Too many of them look almost disinterested or really lacking in confidence -  especially  the newer ones?

While this might be true I have given up trusting the players. They loved Clarke and were rubbish and didn't like Pepe Mel's style as were rubbish and then loved AI and were rubbish...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on October 03, 2015, 02:58:11 PM
Plus can someone actually ask him some hard questions in interviews about why we are so boring and negative. Never gets bought up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 03, 2015, 03:05:52 PM
Most fans aren't daft, last year was a classic backs to the wall situation, perfect for Pulis. This year , he has no excuse, the biggest amount spent for a while, big talk from him about pushing  the club on yet were left so far seeing absolute backs to the walls displays, two of which have worked. He can't blame the squad entirely because he had time and money over the summer to address the areas which have been lacking for three years - wide and upfront ( a stark lack of pace). I've been one of those to say, let him build a solid foundation then we could replace him with a more modern football 'romantic' who would try to play better football now and again however , It could be a long few months to the transfer window......... I might switch back on at the end of January because this is all going to get very very tedious I think.........zzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 03:11:01 PM
Just the sort of performance I was worried about after positive displays against Villa and Everton , shockinb on the ball..,, couldn't put two passes together . Backwards step Tony , the players should shoulder responsibility too ...another manager yet same old story.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 03, 2015, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on October 03, 2015, 02:35:21 PM
The sooner he leaves the better for me.   People may ask who do you bring in but I'd say anyone who plays half decent football and one who wants to at least try to play passing football.
there you go, a list of all currently available (unattached) managers.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik

The one that jumps out is Vincenzo Montella, Fiorentina's previous manager who did really really well for them, bringing players like Jovetic, Cuadrado and our Borja Valero into the picture and would be more offensive, preferring players to carry the ball than pass while still having that Italian defensive edge so as to not go completely from one extreme to the other like we did with Pepe Mel. Though he is probably too high for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on October 03, 2015, 03:13:05 PM
Just seen his after match interview.."players are to blame."..says it all...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on October 03, 2015, 03:13:40 PM
Even I'm starting to lose interest in it all now, getting to the stage of just looking at results now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on October 03, 2015, 03:15:00 PM
For the 2nd game in a row he has made a negative substitution to settle for a draw and it has cost us.We are just sitting back and allowing teams to come on to us and they are taking full advantage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 03, 2015, 03:16:54 PM
To be hanging on to 0-0 from the very start is just horrible to watch.

To put things into perspective - i decided to sort out my food cupboard instead of watch the last 20 minutes and it was much more engaging and fun!

everything we did wrong vs Everton was repeated from the very start.

I'm now in camp anti-Pulis. I was anti after travelling up to the Leicester game last season and now i'm back in the anti-Pulis camp and staying put. Regardless of what happens this season we should not extend his contact past this season and we need more ambition.

Give me Mowbray/Di Matteo days over this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on October 03, 2015, 03:25:08 PM
Does anyone know TP contract details? I think he is on a one year rolling contract with a £1m bonus if he keeps us up.

It looks like the players are not playing for him. He has now blamed the players. Is he getting ready to walk???

All is not well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on October 03, 2015, 03:30:45 PM
Pass rate was 60 odd per cent first half WTF ???? These are supposed to be premiership footballers, but obviously Pulis is coaching football out of this squad. Worst performance since we lost 3-0 to Peterborough in the league cup in the 90s and the whole world saw it . Like someone else said why doesn't a journalist ask some direct questions to him I would love to know what his thinking is. Oh and Newcastle are beating Man city and West Ham are losing at Sunderland. Ambition eh !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 03, 2015, 03:40:04 PM
May feel differently tomorrow but as it stands, hope to hear some point today or tomorrow morning Pulis has walked out.

Ever since he joined i have had reservations about him, got frustrated at times but wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, realised today, nothing will change, his style normal is the old Stoke way, the flashes we have seen are one offs, its dinosaur football.

I will give credit to the defending but when you see £12m strikers, win the ball and kick it into space and watch everyone else get back behind the ball, enough is enough. Some players get worse, some cant play the way a manager wants but this group of players, nearly every player with any skill or attacking purpose has got worse, if Pulis is still there in January, i hope any attacking player we go for reads this forum and runs a mile for the sake of their career as any attacking threat will be coached out of them.

Players like Rondon, Lambert, Gnabry, Mcmanaman, Sess they dont become bad players overnight, its due to the the dinosaur in charge. I give him massive credit for the job he did at Stoke, he got the best out of players such as Rory Delap, Ricardo Fuller, Andy Wilkinson, poor players but he made them a unit, however 6 years down the line, with players with the ability we have, we deserve more, not samba football, but more than trying to suck the life out of a good Palace team (but lets be fair, we didnt play Real, Barca or Bayern)

Thanks for keeping us up last year but i genuinely hope Pulis goes, even if relegation but please let me look forward to watching a game of football again, even if its the championship, we only make up the numbers in this league and have as good chance of a cup run in the champ as we do this league anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 03, 2015, 03:59:09 PM
Imagine the reaction if Irvine had subbed Berahino off for Gardner at half time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on October 03, 2015, 04:13:19 PM
I'm trying not to over react but this is awful football and none of us are enjoying it. We have pace and flair in the squad (Gamboa, gnabry, Macca, sess,) we have a recognised left back who plays for his country and yet none of them can get in this awful team. All because we have a stubborn dinosaur of a manager in charge. Records are there to be broken and his record of never being relegated will surely end if we keep him. If our performance v s'land is poor and we lose then he's one game away from the sack, surely??! Clarke lost 4 in a row as did Irvine and they both went. Mel kept us up with exciting albeit nerve wracking football but also lost his job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on October 03, 2015, 04:15:51 PM
how many fans don't go away now to watch that rubbish ? pulis what is your thinking
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: rajesh-wba on October 03, 2015, 05:00:22 PM
As stated in another post. There is no chance of Pulis getting the sack. We will survive (it may well be ugly) but we will. Anywhere from 11th-15th.
He is what he is really. With the new TV deal coming next year - we need to survive at whatever cost (as bad as that may come acrooss - that's all that matters)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 03, 2015, 05:01:48 PM
Problem is, even if we stay up this year, next years aim will be the same, stay in the league for the TV money, same as the year after, etc, etc so on that basis, if Pulis is the guarentee to keep us up, nothing will change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 03, 2015, 05:04:31 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on October 03, 2015, 05:01:48 PM
Problem is, even if we stay up this year, next years aim will be the same, stay in the league for the TV money, same as the year after, etc, etc so on that basis, if Pulis is the guarentee to keep us up, nothing will change.
Why do you think Pulis had 6 years with Stoke? Their aims never increased and nothing changed whatsoever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: rajesh-wba on October 03, 2015, 05:04:50 PM
I agree 79. But we've been on a downward slope since January 2013 under Steve Clarke. It wasn't great under Mel or Irvine either. Even though this is our sixth consecutive year as a PL club I'd argue it's really our 2nd season. I just think we have to watch what we are watching and hope Pulis leaves us with stable foundations.
 
I can't see him being here for more than three years, especially if ownership doesn't change and he doesn't get more money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 03, 2015, 05:06:58 PM
I was a fan of Pulis last season.

I consider myself quite patient with managers but for me, Pulis has to go.

He won't go, we probably won't be relegated and he'll probably get sacked next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: rajesh-wba on October 03, 2015, 05:10:44 PM
I agree Hampshire. I personally think he may well leave if he keeps us up this year. Just a hunch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 03, 2015, 05:12:35 PM
I think in Pulis's credit, he got Stoke up from a nothing Championship club and earnt the right to build them, he could implement what style he wanted, he could play how he fancied, he could waste money because it was his team.

I dont know but i would imagine Stoke fans are a lot happier now than they were in the 5th and 6th season of him in charge.

I dont think he is a bad manager at all but just not right for us, i think we have the right to expect a certain standard, nothing major but little things like not looking like a plucky non league team away at the champions in the majority of games.

If it really is just down to money then you may as well keep him in charge but risk losing supporters, at some point the bubble will burst and clubs will need supporters, i hope the club knows that, not necessarily just those who go now but future generations.

To give an example, a mate of mine is a big Albion fan but is struggling for money at the moment, he has a 5 year old who is just starting to get into football, as a treat for his birthday i was going to buy them both a ticket for the Leicester game, i have decided against it as i dont want his sons first experience of going the Albion to put him off for life, thats how bad i feel we are at the moment.

I always say give managers a year, even upto a few weeks ago but today was the final straw, it hit home that nothing is going to change, Pulis is Pulis and i hope he walks out or gets sacked and is no longer our manager, even if we have to take 5 steps backwards to move forward, i just want to look forward to watching a Albion match again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on October 03, 2015, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: rajesh-wba on October 03, 2015, 05:00:22 PM
As stated in another post. There is no chance of Pulis getting the sack. We will survive (it may well be ugly) but we will. Anywhere from 11th-15th.
He is what he is really. With the new TV deal coming next year - we need to survive at whatever cost (as bad as that may come acrooss - that's all that matters)

From the clubs point of view it's imperative they stay in the league and get the money. I'm not so sure the majority of paying supporters share that philosophy though as the be all and end all.

Me personally, after a sh*t week at work I just want to attend games and get a bit of enjoyment out of it.

Pulis is in a lucrative contract so he won't be sacked in my opinion. The best people can hope for is that Peace alienates him in the next transfer window and he walks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 03, 2015, 05:19:34 PM
The fact that Pulis goes into matches so scared of losing he abandons all attacking principles.

When you've got managers like Pardew, Ranieri, Koeman, Monk, Howe, Bilic even Flores having a right good go at any team, home and away, top team or not.

Makes the whole situation quite frankly embarrassing for everyone connected to the club. It is laughable and an absolute disgrace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 03, 2015, 05:22:15 PM
I'll also add one point. A manager who goes into a match scared to attack must have a lot of confidence in his defence in order to at least get a point. I don't know what defence you're seeing Tony but ours is absolutely cr@p.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on October 03, 2015, 05:30:06 PM
Just watched his after match comments!

'We were never a threat going forward'

Really Tony! Must of been something to do with the fact you took off our best forward at half time and replaced him with a defensive midfielder. ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on October 03, 2015, 05:30:38 PM
What are our ambitions? Maybe top 8 once in a while? Who else has sustained a challenge ever outside the top 6 teams?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 03, 2015, 05:33:29 PM
In fairness there's just under 200 people on here who seem to be quite happy with Pulis so I'm surprised just how much today's result seems to have changed the general mood on here.

As a genuine question is there anyone who voted 'pro pulis' who would now be in the other camp? I notice the poll shot up in favour of him after the Villa game and has slowly but steadily declined slightly in the games since.

Today doesn't change anything for me, just as the Villa game didn't either. As I've said numerous times this isn't some unknown manager who we don't know much about, but arguably the most one dimensional manager in England who has a brand of football named after him. After 10+ years serving up near identical football I have never expected anything else from him which is why I've never accepted the 'he needs time' argument. I have not seen any remotely convincing argument for why he needs time but more importantly what we expect him to do with any time/resources he is given as he has no intention of changing anything about our playing style

There's a thread on here about why is the mood so low at the moment and although not solely responsible 90% if why I'm disillusioned with Albion today can be summed up perfectly by today's game (I cant bring myself to call it a performance). I've posted previously that although when I was growing up you could argue the general situation was a lot worse that was because we were genuinely sh*t with no money and no hope. Today we have a squad packed full of internationals with multi million pound players on the bench or frozen out and our mindset is quite frankly a disgrace.

Today I can honestly say I was embarrassed to be an Albion fan, something I never felt in the 90's when we were a far worse side. Pulis is scared of his own shadow and there's only so long his routine of pooh tactics causing shambles like we witnessed today and then blaming the players in public will wash before the players have had enough. We all know Berahino is a prat but can anyone honestly blame him for wanting out. I'd happily move to Leicester, West Ham, Palace, Swansea etc if I was him let alone Spurs. God knows what Rondon must be thinking but I'd be on the phone to my agent about now asking him to make a few calls.

I'm sure every 6/8 weeks or so we will have a performance like Villa (which was not a great performance at all, just a solid 'normal' one made to look much better amongst the stuff we normally see) and we will hear more from the 187 posters who believe in Pulis but unfortunately in the 5 weeks in between we will have plenty more days like today and that wont change if Pulis is here for another 2 weeks, months, years or decades no matter how much time or money he is given. Ultimately Pulis will be gone from here one day even if it's 10 years in the future and then I can get back to looking forward to watching my club play again rather than doing so because I fell I have to and hopefully having some pride in the team I support. Unfortunately I don't see either of those things chancing whilst he remains here and it's a crying shame that one man has reduced what was my greatest pleasure in life to something that feels like a chore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: gerry m on October 03, 2015, 05:30:06 PM
Just watched his after match comments!

'We were never a threat going forward'

Really Tony! Must of been something to do with the fact you took off our best forward at half time and replaced him with a defensive midfielder. ???
Gardner is no DM , it was to help stop Zaha murdering Brunt which it did apart from a soft penalty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on October 03, 2015, 05:43:18 PM
                                                                     Myhill

               Dawson                   McAuley                        Olson/Evans                   Brunt
                                                                     Yacob
 
                             McManaman         Fletcher     Berahino            Morrison            McClean   
                   
Who needs to play a center forward any way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 03, 2015, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on October 03, 2015, 05:30:38 PM
What are our ambitions? Maybe top 8 once in a while? Who else has sustained a challenge ever outside the top 6 teams?

Our ambition is 17th place, no more no less.

Pulis can pay lip service and claim he wants a cup run but not with a straight face after last week. It's very easy to get a couple of lower league teams and find yourself in the 5th/6th round and claim you take the cups seriously, but he had a chance to show what it meant to him and showed it very clearly.

I'm still amazed at how some of us seem to take everything he says at face value. There was a discussion after the Southampton game about was he/wasn't he happy as he said he was happy with the point but disappointed with our passing and attacking threat. For me it was very clear he had no attacking intentions and the reason the passing was so poor was because of the team/formation he picked. Now some said he clearly wants it to improve because he said he did but there's no evidence at all when the team is on the pitch. It's very big of him to shout and scream and gesture before blaming the players when there's a misplaced pass but it ignores the fact there's normally nobody to pass to because they are all behind the ball.

Basically if your fat friend says they are going to go on a diet every time you speak to them, but you repeatedly catch them eating chocolate cake in the kitchen then do you think they are really interested in losing weight?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIE5 on October 03, 2015, 05:54:08 PM
Trying not expose our lack of pace, we do it even more. Absolutely awful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 03, 2015, 06:01:07 PM
Absolutely apalling again. Just hate seeing us play like this.

Looks like the tide might be turning and those who hoped we would see his Palace style are actually now realising that we are worse than Stoke.

He is killing the confidence of our players, our youngsters dont get a look in, he has alienated talent and in my opinion he can naughty word right off as far as im concerned.

Angry and utterly sick of it. The worst thing is I knew it was coming.

naughty word off Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 03, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Pulis signed a 30 month contract in January reportedly worth £2m a year so the cost of getting shot of him is £3.3m  but the good news is it drops by £166,000 a month. However unless we hit an extended run of form at less than a point a game (Peace's trigger point for firing a coach) we won't fire him. Flounce out? Maybe but that would be a pure stroke of luck and let's face it Alladyce is lurking out there somewhere :o

I don't have any sense of disappointment in that I didn't expect much different from Pulis despite the occasional indication to the contrary. I am not concerned about relegation. I am more concerned that we will be so enfeebled by Pulisball that we can't turn it around after he has gone.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 03, 2015, 06:07:45 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on October 03, 2015, 04:15:51 PM
how many fans don't go away now to watch that rubbish ? pulis what is your thinking
every game is an away game for me due to where I live but I wouldn't cross the road to watch the shyte pulis serves up and besides I can see a brick wall from my living room window. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 03, 2015, 06:10:25 PM
Quote from: Standaman on October 03, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Pulis signed a 30 month contract in January reportedly worth £2m a year so the cost of getting shot of him is £1.3m  but the good news is it drops by £66,000 a month. However unless we hit an extended run of form at less than a point a game (Peace's trigger point for firing a coach) we won't fire him. Flounce out? Maybe but that would be a pure stroke of luck and let's face it Alladyce is lurking out there somewhere :o

I don't have any sense of disappointment in that I didn't expect much different from Pulis despite the occasional indication to the contrary. I am not concerned about relegation. I am more concerned that we will be so enfeebled by Pulisball that we can't turn it around after he has gone.

£66k a month, 22k fans at most home games

I'm happy to chip in £3 a month to cover his wages if it means we can get someone else in :-)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 03, 2015, 06:12:36 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 03, 2015, 06:07:45 PM
every game is an away game for me due to where I live but I wouldn't cross the road to watch the shyte pulis serves up and besides I can see a brick wall from my living room window.

From Brighton ut just moved to Manchester. With Palace being my local ground after the Amex I've seen us play there 15/20 times in the last 24 years or so.

Would of gone today if it wasn't for the recent move and once again since Pulis joined I have a huge relief I didn't waste £100 going to watch that.

Fair play to anyone who still manages to go home and away week in week out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 06:15:19 PM
I find Pulis post match comments interesting regarding not playing the ball through midfield like we did at Villa , a lot of that was through Fletcher and Morrison who today were nowhere to be seen with the ball flying over their heads. This sort of thing was happening long before TP so it's hardly just Pulis ball , not saying Pulis isn't at fault but it's about time these players took some flack too having seen off several managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 03, 2015, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 06:15:19 PM
I find Pulis post match comments interesting regarding not playing the ball through midfield like we did at Villa , a lot of that was through Fletcher and Morrison who today were nowhere to be seen with the ball flying over their heads. This sort of thing was happening long before TP so it's hardly just Pulis ball , not saying Pulis isn't at fault but it's about time these players took some flack too having seen off several managers.

In fairness though a lot of this team has been bought by Pulis. He has been given unprecedented funds, resources and control over transfers and has responded with a team that produces this.

Whilst I agree it' not like he took over a Barcelona lite the football was never as bad as this and if he wanted to improve it he's had the time and resources to at the very least begin that process.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggiejim on October 03, 2015, 06:45:05 PM
He kept the wolves at bay with the win at Villa, but apart from that Pulis's approach to games this season has been nothing short of disgraceful. Even last season I gave him credit for the performances against Swansea, West Ham and Chelsea, yet those have been the only real highlights.

I heard him say in a radio interview after Norwich in the cup that we're far away from having his ideal team full of winners (assuming that the likes of Fletcher and Evans fit that criteria), yet when you're setting up only to defend in games and have proven you're likely to set up like this throughout your career, most notably at Stoke, i'd say that line of thinking is distinctly flawed. He never blames himself in interviews, instead opting for a scapegoat in one of the players or sometimes the team collectively. If i'm being honest I think he bluffs his way through interviews a lot in order to dodge criticism.

When he was first appointed I didn't like how he instantly marginalised the likes of Poco, Sess and Gamboa while making snap judgements on Samaras, Blanco and Varela, all of whom I thought could offer something on evidence of their all-too brief appearances under Irvine. Now we're stuck with the same 11-13 players on each matchday who, while largely good enough, are under strict instructions and seem scared to go forward. I certainly sense that Brunty isn't best pleased with filling the left back role. And speaking of the Norwich cup game, that was another example of TP hanging the so-called 'fringe' players out to dry. We all know that some of those should at least make the bench, and the least said about his treatment of Chester the better.

I'm all for continuity and consistency which we've lacked for many years in the managerial position, but I knew what we were in for by appointing Pulis and i'm sad to say that I haven't been proven wrong overall.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on October 03, 2015, 06:22:02 PM
In fairness though a lot of this team has been bought by Pulis. He has been given unprecedented funds, resources and control over transfers and has responded with a team that produces this.

Whilst I agree it' not like he took over a Barcelona lite the football was never as bad as this and if he wanted to improve it he's had the time and resources to at the very least begin that process.
Of todays 11 he bought Evans , Fletcher , McClean and Rondon ....theres still a big chunk  of players from previous years. Im not defending Pulis but these players old and new aren't blameless , full internationals that can't put 3 passes together ? Rondon for one gave the ball away cheaply all game and while I don't think Pulis has got the balance right yet these players should be doing better than this....a lot better.
Oh and for my money we haven't sunk to Irvine level yet ( sorry Legend! )
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 03, 2015, 06:51:10 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on October 03, 2015, 06:10:25 PM
£66k a month, 22k fans at most home games

I'm happy to chip in £3 a month to cover his wages if it means we can get someone else in :-)

Sorry earlier post was a result of brain freeze it £7.5 a head  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on October 03, 2015, 06:58:14 PM
Quote from: geoff on October 03, 2015, 05:43:18 PM
                                                                     Myhill

               Dawson                   McAuley                        Olson/Evans                   Brunt
                                                                     Yacob
 
                             McManaman         Fletcher     Berahino            Morrison            McClean   
                   
Who needs to play a center forward any way.

Far too attacking that. Can we sure up the defence with another holding midfielder?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 03, 2015, 07:07:19 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Of todays 11 he bought Evans , Fletcher , McClean and Rondon ....theres still a big chunk  of players from previous years. Im not defending Pulis but these players old and new aren't blameless , full internationals that can't put 3 passes together ? Rondon for one gave the ball away cheaply all game and while I don't think Pulis has got the balance right yet these players should be doing better than this....a lot better.
Oh and for my money we haven't sunk to Irvine level yet ( sorry Legend! )
Points wise, I believe we are about the same, we has scored less and conceded about the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 03, 2015, 07:13:49 PM
The definition of sport is about competing and entertaining, neither of which seem to be part of our currently philosophy.  Our aim is to stop the opposition from playing and whilst it has brought TP success it is shag awful to watch. We will stay up, we have the players who are capable of this (like we did last year and the previous 5 years) but it will be horrible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 07:15:07 PM
Is it too early to say told you so????
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 07:20:55 PM
I wanna know where all the pulis lovers are tonight?

The ones that have shouted me down for weeks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 03, 2015, 07:21:41 PM
Not in the Pulis out camp yet, today was awful. I said I would want improvement by end September/ October time. Its been mixed since I said that but Sunderland game is massive for us.

Think the comfy culture in the club still exists and that needs addressing regardless of Pulis as it was evident before he came and has not changed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 03, 2015, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 07:20:55 PM
I wanna know where all the pulis lovers are tonight?

The ones that have shouted me down for weeks.

I ain't a Pulis lover but I have stuck up for him.

I don't shout anyone down though  :-*

I won't be around much over the next week I doubt so don't think i'm hiding, just very busy at the mo.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KH Baggies on October 03, 2015, 07:31:08 PM
It would be much more entertaining to be say 6th in the championship and competing against Blues and Wolves instead of a boring, Pulis football, relegation fight each year just for TV money. I would rather attacking football in the championship than boring defensive football in the prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIE5 on October 03, 2015, 07:32:10 PM
What the hell is he on about. Is it just me who thought the villa performance was nothing special. We only won one nil.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie79 on October 03, 2015, 07:37:00 PM
Whether you love, hate or tolerate him he aint going nowhere. This is the biggest season ever for us, stay up and we are a very secure club with lots of cash to spend, if we go down dont expect to see us be an established top flight club anytime soon if ever.

I dont really care how but we must stay up at all costs, sure I would like it to be through champagne football but I am a realist.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 03, 2015, 07:39:08 PM
Quote from: Baggie79 on October 03, 2015, 07:37:00 PM
Whether you love, hate or tolerate him he aint going nowhere. This is the biggest season ever for us, stay up and we are a very secure club with lots of cash to spend, if we go down dont expect to see us be an established top flight club anytime soon if ever.

I dont really care how but we must stay up at all costs, sure I would like it to be through champagne football but I am a realist.

I think under Peace the only way he will go is if he walks, we won't get relegated with him (see how many save this post for "future reference"  :D ) and will always scrape the points to keep us up finishing around 13th - 16th each time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 03, 2015, 07:44:50 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 07:20:55 PM
I wanna know where all the pulis lovers are tonight?

The ones that have shouted me down for weeks.
No one has shouted you down. Most would walk past and say ..I agree... then ....titter when out of earshot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 07:47:46 PM
Tonight ive seen on forums and social media Pulis blasted for not playing Gnabry , now I want to see pace and skill but at the same time what has Gnabry done in the two cup games of any note to earn
a Premier start ? While Pulis has a lot of work to do quickly to get us going again there are some issues he just can't win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 07:50:28 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on October 03, 2015, 07:23:00 PM
I ain't a Pulis lover but I have stuck up for him.

I don't shout anyone down though  :-*

I won't be around much over the next week I doubt so don't think i'm hiding, just very busy at the mo.  ;)

Wasnt aimed at you mate, you give a balanced arguement which we can debate, its the others who seem to think that he is god.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 07:51:55 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 07:47:46 PM
Tonight ive seen on forums and social media Pulis blasted for not playing Gnabry , now I want to see pace and skill but at the same time what has Gnabry done in the two cup games of any note to earn
a Premier start ? While Pulis has a lot of work to do quickly to get us going again there are some issues he just can't win.

I thought he looked quite sharp vs port vale.

I really dont know why we signed him of we aint going to play him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 07:54:40 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 07:51:55 PM
I thought he looked quite sharp vs port vale.

I really dont know why we signed him of we aint going to play him.
See many say he was poor in both , I must say he didn't feel like a Pulis signing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 07:55:56 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 07:54:40 PM
See many say he was poor in both , I must say he didn't feel like a Pulis signing

I think its going the same way with rondon. I dont know why we sign players then dont play to their strengths.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 07:50:28 PM
Wasnt aimed at you mate, you give a balanced arguement which we can debate, its the others who seem to think that he is god.
Not many think he is god mate , not regular posters anyway.
The majority ( including myself) just want him or anybody else to get a fair go over a decent amount of time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 07:58:44 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 07:55:56 PM
I think its going the same way with rondon. I dont know why we sign players then dont play to their strengths.
Rondons a Pulis player all day long  , just miles off at the minute for me
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 08:01:07 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 07:57:43 PM
Not many think he is god mate , not regular posters anyway.
The majority ( including myself) just want him or anybody else to get a fair go over a decent amount of time.

I dont mind the football as long as we compete in games for the past 6 months we have competed in 5 games. Im not going to rant on, regular posters know how i feel about the man.  I dont think giving him time is the answer but then again i dont own the football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on October 03, 2015, 08:01:51 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 07:51:55 PM
I thought he looked quite sharp vs port vale.

I really dont know why we signed him of we aint going to play him.

More importantly, why is McManaman not starting ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 03, 2015, 08:02:26 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Of todays 11 he bought Evans , Fletcher , McClean and Rondon ....theres still a big chunk  of players from previous years. Im not defending Pulis but these players old and new aren't blameless , full internationals that can't put 3 passes together ? Rondon for one gave the ball away cheaply all game and while I don't think Pulis has got the balance right yet these players should be doing better than this....a lot better.
Oh and for my money we haven't sunk to Irvine level yet ( sorry Legend! )

True but he's also bought Lindergaard, Chester, Mcmanaman, Lambert, Gnabry who cant get in/near the team. That's almost £20m worth of player sitting on the bench which is ridiculous for a club like us when the first XI has so many gaping weaknesses. It's a point that should and probably would be made more prominently on here if it wasn't for the actual football distracting us all from it.

He's also bought Dawson in to the team, moved Brunt from LW to LB.

Myhill
Dawson
Gmac
Evans
Brunt
Fletcher
Yacob
McClean
Morrison
Berahino
Rondon

The bolded ones are Pulis signings or have been given a new role under Pulis. Of the others, Gmac has been probably our best defender since signing, Brunt, Yacob and Morrison were integral parts of a side that finished 8th and Berahino is unquestionably our best player. I think it's a push to lay the blame at the mess we saw today at anyone other than Pulis. He has had enough time and more than enough resources to make the changes required to at the very least start to improve performances.

If after 10 months, 2 transfer windows and a £35m spend along with control over transfers Pulis can't get the performances he requires from the team (a team with 5 years PL experience behind it) then I'd suggest he is a very poor manager.

The reason I don't think he is a very poor manager is because despite his protestations when it suits him I firmly believe this team is performing exactly how he wants it to. Pulis doesnt suffer (what he considers) fools. You only have to look at the amount of players he has frozen out/got rid of in his time here already. Chester doesnt seem to fit depsite being his own big money signing just over a month ago. If a player wasn't performing the exact role, and I really do mean exact, I can't see a scenario where after the spend mentioned above that player would still be in the team.

There's a reason players like Varela, Blanco, Samaras, Gamboa, Pocognoli, Sessegnon and Gnabry are completely out the picture and yet Craig Gardner and Darren Fletcher see action every week and it's certainly not because that was all Pulis was left with from previous managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 07:58:44 PM
Rondons a Pulis player all day long  , just miles off at the minute for me

The midfield are miles away from him every game,  no wonder his moral is shot and looks like he aint no good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 08:05:12 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on October 03, 2015, 08:02:26 PM
True but he's also bought Lindergaard, Chester, Mcmanaman, Lambert, Gnabry who cant get in/near the team. That's almost £20m worth of player sitting on the bench which is ridiculous for a club like us when the first XI has so many gaping weaknesses. It's a point that should and probably would be made more prominently on here if it wasn't for the actual football distracting us all from it.

He's also bought Dawson in to the team, moved Brunt from LW to LB.

Myhill
Dawson
Gmac
Evans
Brunt
Fletcher
Yacob
McClean
Morrison
Berahino
Rondon

The bolded ones are Pulis signings or have been given a new role under Pulis. Of the others, Gmac has been probably our best defender since signing, Brunt, Yacob and Morrison were integral parts of a side that finished 8th and Berahino is unquestionably our best player. I think it's a push to lay the blame at the mess we saw today at anyone other than Pulis. He has had enough time and more than enough resources to make the changes required to at the very least start to improve performances.

If after 10 months, 2 transfer windows and a £35m spend along with control over transfers Pulis can't get the performances he requires from the team (a team with 5 years PL experience behind it) then I'd suggest he is a very poor manager.

The reason I don't think he is a very poor manager is because despite his protestations when it suits him I firmly believe this team is performing exactly how he wants it to. Pulis doesnt suffer (what he considers) fools. You only have to look at the amount of players he has frozen out/got rid of in his time here already. Chester doesnt seem to fit depsite being his own big money signing just over a month ago. If a player wasn't performing the exact role, and I really do mean exact, I can't see a scenario where after the spend mentioned above that player would still be in the team.

There's a reason players like Varela, Blanco, Samaras, Gamboa, Pocognoli, Sessegnon and Gnabry are completely out the picture and yet Craig Gardner and Darren Fletcher see action every week and it's certainly not because that was all Pulis was left with from previous managers.

Cant argue with that mate, spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 03, 2015, 08:06:13 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 08:01:07 PM
I dont mind the football as long as we compete in games for the past 6 months we have competed in 5 games. Im not going to rant on, regular posters know how i feel about the man.  I dont think giving him time is the answer but then again i dont own the football club.

I think theres been too many games over the past few years where it can be argued we've competed or not. I don't think its exclusive to Pulis.

Relegation would be a financial disaster for this club but I wouldn't be too disheartened to spend a couple of years outside this league. I hate everything the Premier League stands for and the mercenaries who earn a living from it. If I stop going it will be due to this league not the rubbish football we're playing at the moment. I missed Norwich away and Everton at home over the past week or so and can honestly say didn't concern me at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 03, 2015, 08:09:29 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 03, 2015, 07:47:46 PM
Tonight ive seen on forums and social media Pulis blasted for not playing Gnabry , now I want to see pace and skill but at the same time what has Gnabry done in the two cup games of any note to earn
a Premier start ? While Pulis has a lot of work to do quickly to get us going again there are some issues he just can't win.

Whats Craig Gardner done in 2 years to justify being on the pitch every single week?

Gnabry looked very good for Arsenal 2 years ago and is very highly rated by one of the best clubs in Europe as well as the German national set up who are world champions and have some of the best young players in the world.

We have no pace, no creativity and no positive intent and he can't even get in the squad despite possessing all those attributes.

I don't think anyone is saying he should have the team built around him but we are crying out for a player like him so lets at least give him a go. 1 performance against Port Vale (his first since returning from injury in a new team) and another which was basically a hatchet job on his own team from Pulis and we are saying he's not done enough to justify getting time off the bench at the very least?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 03, 2015, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 08:02:53 PM
The midfield are miles away from him every game,  no wonder his moral is shot and looks like he aint no good.

Not just Rondon.

Imagine you are a premier league player. You are in the best years of your life. You are part of a team that is known to be cynical, negative and set out to stifle the game. Are you going to be happy?

Our attacking players in particular must be absolutely shellshocked at the way the team plays. Honestly, if you were an attacking player would you want to sign for us?

That's why our players are below par. Every single one of them has performed better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 03, 2015, 08:12:37 PM
I'm Pro Pulis, I was at midday and I still am now. It is imperative we survive this season. If a club is not in the Premier League at the start of next season I can confidently say they will NEVER be able to compete at the highest level such will be the financial gap between the Championship and the Premier League, why do people think Middlesbrough have risked the family silver for promotion this year?

How Pulis goes abut getting the 40 points needed is frustrating to watch, but I'll trust he knows what he's doing. I feel people have valid concerns about "what next" but for the duration of his contract I can only see us being left in a much better state in January 2018 than we were in January 2015.

I feel we will begin to see changes to the side starting with the Sunderland game, returns for McManaman and 4-4-2 with Yacob sitting out. I'd love him to drop the goalkeeper also.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 03, 2015, 08:13:29 PM
I haven't seen the match but I'll watch it later.

This massive outpouring of outrage and calls for Pulis's head are very surprising, though.

Let's analyze the matches and see where points were realistically dropped or gained:

City - Poor performance but the loss was as expected.

Watford - Decent away point and performance.

Chelsea - Had a right go at the reigning champions but a loss was expected again. So no harm done.

Stoke - Massive away win at a difficult ground. That's 2 more points than expected.

Southampton - Reasonably solid performance against a good team with 1 point as expected.

Villa - Great performance and important 3 points. That's 2 more than expected considering last season's defeat there.

Everton - Desperately unlucky to come away empty handed. Would have expected a point. So that's 1 less.

Palace - Poor performance (judging by Pulis's post match comments) ending in a defeat. Would have expected a draw so that's again 1 point less.

So essentially the net result is 2 points realistically gained.

With a home game against Sunderland coming up, it really doesn't look that bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 03, 2015, 08:20:31 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on October 03, 2015, 08:02:26 PM
True but he's also bought Lindergaard, Chester, Mcmanaman, Lambert, Gnabry who cant get in/near the team. That's almost £20m worth of player sitting on the bench which is ridiculous for a club like us when the first XI has so many gaping weaknesses. It's a point that should and probably would be made more prominently on here if it wasn't for the actual football distracting us all from it.

He's also bought Dawson in to the team, moved Brunt from LW to LB.

Myhill
Dawson
Gmac
Evans
Brunt
Fletcher
Yacob
McClean
Morrison
Berahino
Rondon

The bolded ones are Pulis signings or have been given a new role under Pulis. Of the others, Gmac has been probably our best defender since signing, Brunt, Yacob and Morrison were integral parts of a side that finished 8th and Berahino is unquestionably our best player. I think it's a push to lay the blame at the mess we saw today at anyone other than Pulis. He has had enough time and more than enough resources to make the changes required to at the very least start to improve performances.

If after 10 months, 2 transfer windows and a £35m spend along with control over transfers Pulis can't get the performances he requires from the team (a team with 5 years PL experience behind it) then I'd suggest he is a very poor manager.

The reason I don't think he is a very poor manager is because despite his protestations when it suits him I firmly believe this team is performing exactly how he wants it to. Pulis doesnt suffer (what he considers) fools. You only have to look at the amount of players he has frozen out/got rid of in his time here already. Chester doesnt seem to fit depsite being his own big money signing just over a month ago. If a player wasn't performing the exact role, and I really do mean exact, I can't see a scenario where after the spend mentioned above that player would still be in the team.

There's a reason players like Varela, Blanco, Samaras, Gamboa, Pocognoli, Sessegnon and Gnabry are completely out the picture and yet Craig Gardner and Darren Fletcher see action every week and it's certainly not because that was all Pulis was left with from previous managers.

The constant berating of Brunt and Dawson at full back is totally ott and invalid, both are doing equally as good as anyone else we have had to play there for a number of years. Dawson is for me a better full back than centre half and Brunt dealt okay today with a tricky Zaha. No he's not worldclass but he's good enough and not sure where he would fit in this side elsewhere now, certainly not in the centre of the midfield.

Myhill has been in excellent form so should he be replaced by Lindegaard who has played no football for a long time ?
Chester has not been able to get in due to the form of Dawson, McAuley and Evans.
McManaman is very inconsistent with question marks over an end product, he came on today and did another lovely dive so needs to cut it out very quickly.
Lambert has sat on the bench at Liverpool for the past 12 months and is struggling to get going, many slate him but 12 months ago would be applauiding what would be an excellent signing. Time till tell if he can force himself in.
Gnabry from what I have seen has the air of a superstar about him, seems to be more Jay Simpson than Theo Walcott. Maybe he is just not doing it in training.

Some of these players have failed to perform under more than one coach, maybe they are the main crux of the issue, nice lifestyle on good money.

Out of the players you say are frozen out apart from Sess who should be on the bench each week, not convinced by him regularly but should be on the bench what have any done at thyis club to suggest they are or were the way forward ?

As for Gardner I have no idea how he has made a living as a Premier League footballer and why we courted him for so long before we signed him on a free but he must work his knackers off in training and thats why he's around the squad each week, maybe a few of those missing out need to take a leaf out of his book and force themselves in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 03, 2015, 08:36:15 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 03, 2015, 08:13:29 PM
I haven't seen the match but I'll watch it later.

This massive outpouring of outrage and calls for Pulis's head are very surprising, though.

Let's analyze the matches and see where points were realistically dropped or gained:

City - Poor performance but the loss was as expected. Agreed

Watford - Decent away point and performance. No. It was shocking and we should have looked to win that game.

Chelsea - Had a right go at the reigning champions but a loss was expected again. So no harm done. Agreed though I don't know why we should go into a game expecting to lose.

Stoke - Massive away win at a difficult ground. That's 2 more points than expected. It was a pathetic performance. We played against nine men ffs.

Southampton - Reasonably solid performance against a good team with 1 point as expected. Why did we expect one point? I don't understand.

Villa - Great performance and important 3 points. That's 2 more than expected considering last season's defeat there. It was not a great performance. It was warmly received by me and others because we had a go at actually trying to win the game. Great, it was not. It was encouraging though.

Everton - Desperately unlucky to come away empty handed. Would have expected a point. So that's 1 less.Pulis made the error that lost us the game.

Palace - Poor performance (judging by Pulis's post match comments) ending in a defeat. Would have expected a draw so that's again 1 point less. Do you need Pulis to say its a poor performance before you agree. To be honest mate, given your previous posts about loving defensive play, I think you will have loved this game.

So essentially the net result is 2 points realistically gained.

With a home game against Sunderland coming up, it really doesn't look that bad. I guess you expect to get a point then. Any chance that you expect to actually win a game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 03, 2015, 08:39:10 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on October 03, 2015, 08:20:31 PM
The constant berating of Brunt and Dawson at full back is totally ott and invalid, both are doing equally as good as anyone else we have had to play there for a number of years. Dawson is for me a better full back than centre half and Brunt dealt okay today with a tricky Zaha. No he's not worldclass but he's good enough and not sure where he would fit in this side elsewhere now, certainly not in the centre of the midfield.

Myhill has been in excellent form so should he be replaced by Lindegaard who has played no football for a long time ?
Chester has not been able to get in due to the form of Dawson, McAuley and Evans.
McManaman is very inconsistent with question marks over an end product, he came on today and did another lovely dive so needs to cut it out very quickly.
Lambert has sat on the bench at Liverpool for the past 12 months and is struggling to get going, many slate him but 12 months ago would be applauiding what would be an excellent signing. Time till tell if he can force himself in.
Gnabry from what I have seen has the air of a superstar about him, seems to be more Jay Simpson than Theo Walcott. Maybe he is just not doing it in training.

Some of these players have failed to perform under more than one coach, maybe they are the main crux of the issue, nice lifestyle on good money.

Out of the players you say are frozen out apart from Sess who should be on the bench each week, not convinced by him regularly but should be on the bench what have any done at thyis club to suggest they are or were the way forward ?

As for Gardner I have no idea how he has made a living as a Premier League footballer and why we courted him for so long before we signed him on a free but he must work his knackers off in training and thats why he's around the squad each week, maybe a few of those missing out need to take a leaf out of his book and force themselves in.

All fair points, but all apart from Myhill signed by Pulis, So where does the blame ultimately lie? Add to that the release of some perfectly good players. I wish we still had Mulumbu.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 03, 2015, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 03, 2015, 08:39:10 PM
All fair points, but all apart from Myhill signed by Pulis, So where does the blame ultimately lie? Add to that the release of some perfectly good players. I wish we still had Mulumbu.

I don't think the problems lie with any one person, I think all have a part of the blame to take. Pulis for some poor tactics, the players for lack of effort and failing to do the basics of passing a ball 5 yards or getting shots on target (1 or 2 you can excuse but when its constant then they need to be looking at it BUT I do remember Mowbray at a training session when asked about some poor corners from Greening saying that he could do it perfect in training every time but in a game things can not always turn out the same), those who played a part in scouting and signing some of the squad (I know some of those are now gone but they left their mark) and I guess Peace for trusting others who have not been upto the jobs they were appointed to do and taking his eye of the ball.

Mulumbu going now may look an error but at the time I couldn't argue against him being released, seemed to have become stale and has yet to figure at Norwich due to injury so hard to say whether it was a good or bad decision.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 03, 2015, 08:51:19 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 03, 2015, 08:36:15 PM


Watford - Shocking? Far from it. It was a pretty solid away performance. Watford have only conceded once in their 4 matches at home so far, having held Southampton and beaten Swansea on the way. Not sure why you expected a win there?

Chelsea - By 'expecting to lose', I meant that it was a game where even a draw would have been a massive result.

Stoke - Yes, it was against 9 men but Albion did the bare minimum and then controlled the match reasonably well after scoring the goal. There was never really much danger of Stoke equalizing.

Southampton- Expected one point because they're a very good side who've had 2 very successful seasons. They just beat Chelsea 3-1 at Stamford Bridge.

Everton - Pulis didn't make any error. He brought on Gardner to shore up the midfield, as he did in the Villa game. Albion were just extremely unfortunate that Everton had 3 shots on target in the whole match and they scored with all three of them (with one of them being offside).

Palace - I could't watch the game, that's why.

And well of course I'm expecting 3 points at home against the worst team in the division.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 08:52:37 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 03, 2015, 08:13:29 PM
I haven't seen the match but I'll watch it later.

This massive outpouring of outrage and calls for Pulis's head are very surprising, though.

Let's analyze the matches and see where points were realistically dropped or gained:

City - Poor performance but the loss was as expected.

Watford - Decent away point and performance.

Chelsea - Had a right go at the reigning champions but a loss was expected again. So no harm done.

Stoke - Massive away win at a difficult ground. That's 2 more points than expected.

Southampton - Reasonably solid performance against a good team with 1 point as expected.

Villa - Great performance and important 3 points. That's 2 more than expected considering last season's defeat there.

Everton - Desperately unlucky to come away empty handed. Would have expected a point. So that's 1 less.

Palace - Poor performance (judging by Pulis's post match comments) ending in a defeat. Would have expected a draw so that's again 1 point less.

So essentially the net result is 2 points realistically gained.

With a home game against Sunderland coming up, it really doesn't look that bad.

Decent away point at watford and performance? What game did you watch? We were terrible

Just sums that post up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 03, 2015, 08:58:40 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 03, 2015, 08:52:37 PM
Decent away point at watford and performance? What game did you watch? We were terrible

Just sums that post up.

TP went there for a draw and got one. Didn't really allow Watford any clear cut chances. So yes, a decent performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 03, 2015, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 03, 2015, 08:58:40 PM
TP went there for a draw and got one. Didn't really allow Watford any clear cut chances. So yes, a decent performance.

We went to Watford for a draw. I know we did. Thats what is so depressing about it all. Im sure the players cant wait to go out a really play for that draw. Must be so motivating.

If my boss told me not to aim high but play it safe I wouldnt have done as well as I have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on October 03, 2015, 09:34:51 PM
Even if Pulis is considered "our best bet" I give him 3 games or until the end of October before he's gone. 4 points or more from those 3 games  will be the only thing to save him and right now I think we'll be lucky to get 1 point.
If you owned a team and laid out that much money would you wait much longer? I'd be making calls already to replace him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 03, 2015, 09:48:57 PM
Quote from: Nice1Cyrille on October 03, 2015, 09:34:51 PM
Even if Pulis is considered "our best bet" I give him 3 games or until the end of October before he's gone. 4 points or more from those 3 games  will be the only thing to save him and right now I think we'll be lucky to get 1 point.
If you owned a team and laid out that much money would you wait much longer? I'd be making calls already to replace him.

Once again, it is not even in Peace's mind to sack him. Even the 0.8 points per game rule he normally employs won't come into play. Pulis is here for the season, and we'll be fine irrespective of results in October.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on October 03, 2015, 10:04:02 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 03, 2015, 09:48:57 PM
Once again, it is not even in Peace's mind to sack him. Even the 0.8 points per game rule he normally employs won't come into play. Pulis is here for the season, and we'll be fine irrespective of results in October.
There are no 'sacred cows' with Peace as Pulis will soon find out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 03, 2015, 10:10:45 PM
Regrettably Pulis is more entrenched than any of his recent predecessors so I am guessing Peace won't hit the ejector button for quite a while. The thing I fear is just getting by under Pulis for an extended period never quite bad enough to be sacked but with Pulisball quietly strangling the club from within until we drop like a stone and crash land in the Championship.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 03, 2015, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 03, 2015, 08:12:37 PM
I'm Pro Pulis, I was at midday and I still am now. It is imperative we survive this season. If a club is not in the Premier League at the start of next season I can confidently say they will NEVER be able to compete at the highest level such will be the financial gap between the Championship and the Premier League, why do people think Middlesbrough have risked the family silver for promotion this year?

How Pulis goes abut getting the 40 points needed is frustrating to watch, but I'll trust he knows what he's doing. I feel people have valid concerns about "what next" but for the duration of his contract I can only see us being left in a much better state in January 2018 than we were in January 2015.

I feel we will begin to see changes to the side starting with the Sunderland game, returns for McManaman and 4-4-2 with Yacob sitting out. I'd love him to drop the goalkeeper also.
Yacob is one of our best player's!!! But you would leave him out? Says it all really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on October 03, 2015, 10:20:37 PM
im wondering if he might resign soon or get into a bust up with peace and leave in order to keep "his never been relegated" on his cv,every week all we do is try and contain teams,virtually everyone has more flair  strength,pace ,vision in their midfield than we do,lets face it fletcher,maclean,yacob,gardner,all do the same job run around and track back,we only have a couple of injury problems so we are virtually at full strength in the midfield,i think pulis is thinking the game is up he has bought badly,only fletcher and evans any good and both them were gimee signings,i think he knows the game is up and will manufacture a way to jump ship
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 03, 2015, 10:48:07 PM
Football fans go to watch football and goals being scored.
It seems that with Pulis in charge, we may as well look at a parked bus or even watch paint dry, his style is so negative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on October 03, 2015, 10:51:43 PM
I was willing to give Pulis a chance. I liked his honesty and discipline which we've lacked since Hodgson.

But today was poor. As was Everton. As was Norwich away.

What frustrates me is seeing us play very well against Chelsea, and knowing that we can perform.

I'm not a fan of Savage, but on BT sport he said if the players are being drilled defensively day in and day out, it will be boring for them and they'll be afraid to make mistakes. Sums today up perfectly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 03, 2015, 10:52:38 PM
No problem today sorry and without injury he may of pulled it off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 03, 2015, 10:58:40 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 03, 2015, 08:12:37 PM
I'm Pro Pulis, I was at midday and I still am now. It is imperative we survive this season. If a club is not in the Premier League at the start of next season I can confidently say they will NEVER be able to compete at the highest level such will be the financial gap between the Championship and the Premier League, why do people think Middlesbrough have risked the family silver for promotion this year?

How Pulis goes abut getting the 40 points needed is frustrating to watch, but I'll trust he knows what he's doing. I feel people have valid concerns about "what next" but for the duration of his contract I can only see us being left in a much better state in January 2018 than we were in January 2015.

I feel we will begin to see changes to the side starting with the Sunderland game, returns for McManaman and 4-4-2 with Yacob sitting out. I'd love him to drop the goalkeeper also.

Can you tell me what the be all and end all is about being in this division? If you support West Bromwich Albion then you will do so regardless and the support will be even better in the lower leagues when we get our club back by the way. Maybe not the quantity but quality. We don't pay our money to watch a business operate. Who gives a flying f**k about the Premier League? I just want to watch my club play football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 03, 2015, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 03, 2015, 09:48:57 PM
Once again, it is not even in Peace's mind to sack him. Even the 0.8 points per game rule he normally employs won't come into play. Pulis is here for the season, and we'll be fine irrespective of results in October.

How on earth do you know what is in Peace's mind? Unless you're sat whispering sweet nothings to each other over a candlelit dinner as we speak?  :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 03, 2015, 11:08:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 03, 2015, 08:12:37 PM
I'm Pro Pulis, I was at midday and I still am now. It is imperative we survive this season. If a club is not in the Premier League at the start of next season I can confidently say they will NEVER be able to compete at the highest level such will be the financial gap between the Championship and the Premier League, why do people think Middlesbrough have risked the family silver for promotion this year?

How Pulis goes abut getting the 40 points needed is frustrating to watch, but I'll trust he knows what he's doing. I feel people have valid concerns about "what next" but for the duration of his contract I can only see us being left in a much better state in January 2018 than we were in January 2015.

I feel we will begin to see changes to the side starting with the Sunderland game, returns for McManaman and 4-4-2 with Yacob sitting out. I'd love him to drop the goalkeeper also.
Agree with that entirely Jacko, furthermore it would appear to me that JP not only brought in TP to ensure that we stayed in the Prem to protect his investment, but he thought that he had new owners coming in who would have to manage TP . Now we have a situation where JP has to manage him, having removed our obsolete infrastructure.
I believe that TP is an honest man who will not walk out on us mid season, although he may go at the end of the season. People who want Pulis to be sacked, or walk out now are very missguided, there is no infrastructure to support any new incoming manager. Pulis clearly did not get all the players that he wanted in the transfer window and that has led to friction between Chairman and Manager. We have been here before and JP got rid of the man who gave me more pride in my club than at any other time in my lifetime of support. Yet if we had this forum then people would have been posting about Gary, just with the same venom as they are about TP . He is a genuine bloke doing his best for the club, and not making a very good job of it at present, but he ain't the devil, nor has he a great deal of talent at his disposal, and he is entitled to ask pampered and overpaid young men to make up for lack of ability with ard work.     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 03, 2015, 11:18:25 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on October 03, 2015, 11:08:03 PM
Agree with that entirely Jacko, furthermore it would appear to me that JP not only brought in TP to ensure that we stayed in the Prem to protect his investment, but he thought that he had new owners coming in who would have to manage TP . Now we have a situation where JP has to manage him, having removed our obsolete infrastructure.
I believe that TP is an honest man who will not walk out on us mid season, although he may go at the end of the season. People who want Pulis to be sacked, or walk out now are very missguided, there is no infrastructure to support any new incoming manager. Pulis clearly did not get all the players that he wanted in the transfer window and that has led to friction between Chairman and Manager. We have been here before and JP got rid of the man who gave me more pride in my club than at any other time in my lifetime of support. Yet if we had this forum then people would have been posting about Gary, just with the same venom as they are about TP . He is a genuine bloke doing his best for the club, and not making a very good job of it at present, but he ain't the devil, nor has he a great deal of talent at his disposal, and he is entitled to ask pampered and overpaid young men to make up for lack of ability with ard work.     

He has got plenty of talent at his disposal if he was to choose to utilise it correctly but alas, he doesn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on October 03, 2015, 11:28:31 PM
I realize i'll get might get slaughtered for this post but at this stage, I dont actually care too much. In fact, I havent cared that much since I went to Watford on 15th August, and saw a disgraceful Albion display ( i deliberately didn't use the word 'performance', because we didnt perform, or even attempt to perform..

Anyway, the purpose of my post ( for which i may get slaughtered ) :- for the first time since i first saw the Albion playing ( v Portsmouth in 1993...yes, the Scott Darton game - i was in the upper Rainbow Stand ), I actually hope we are heavily beaten by Sunderland next Saturday.   0-3 will do.  That may force things to a head at our club, and either the fans might revolt enough to force TP to walk, or JP might panic about missing out on the financial windfall next season.
So, that is why a good thumping from Sunderland next Saturday might actually be a blessing in disguise.
There. I've said it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on October 03, 2015, 11:33:19 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on October 03, 2015, 11:28:31 PM
I realize i'll get might get slaughtered for this post but at this stage, I dont actually care too much. In fact, I havent cared that much since I went to Watford on 15th August, and saw a disgraceful Albion display ( i deliberately didn't use the word 'performance', because we didnt perform, or even attempt to perform..

Anyway, the purpose of my post ( for which i may get slaughtered ) :- for the first time since i first saw the Albion playing ( v Portsmouth in 1993...yes, the Scott Darton game - i was in the upper Rainbow Stand ), I actually hope we are heavily beaten by Sunderland next Saturday.   0-3 will do.  That may force things to a head at our club, and either the fans might revolt enough to force TP to walk, or JP might panic about missing out on the financial windfall next season.
So, that is why a good thumping from Sunderland next Saturday might actually be a blessing in disguise.
There. I've said it.
But we all know we will win two and draw one of the next three
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 03, 2015, 11:37:32 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on October 03, 2015, 11:28:31 PM
I realize i'll get might get slaughtered for this post but at this stage, I dont actually care too much. In fact, I havent cared that much since I went to Watford on 15th August, and saw a disgraceful Albion display ( i deliberately didn't use the word 'performance', because we didnt perform, or even attempt to perform..

Anyway, the purpose of my post ( for which i may get slaughtered ) :- for the first time since i first saw the Albion playing ( v Portsmouth in 1993...yes, the Scott Darton game - i was in the upper Rainbow Stand ), I actually hope we are heavily beaten by Sunderland next Saturday.   0-3 will do.  That may force things to a head at our club, and either the fans might revolt enough to force TP to walk, or JP might panic about missing out on the financial windfall next season.
So, that is why a good thumping from Sunderland next Saturday might actually be a blessing in disguise.
There. I've said it.

Apart from that Portsmouth game being in 1994 not 1993 I agree with you 100%! It does feel that we need something to shake the club up out of this coma because I'm sick of it and sick of some people saying it doesn't matter as it's a result's business and Pulis will keep us up regardless. I personally don't give a monkeys about that. This football club means more to us than bloody Premier League status. They can stick their Sky money up their backside, I want to be entertained and have my club back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on October 03, 2015, 11:41:44 PM
Pulis is contracted for another two years. He's going nowhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on October 03, 2015, 11:42:56 PM
Quote from: alwaysbilly on October 03, 2015, 11:33:19 PM
But we all know we will win two and draw one of the next three
all those who think this il gladly be the bookmaker
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on October 03, 2015, 11:44:47 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on October 03, 2015, 11:41:44 PM
Pulis is contracted for another two years. He's going nowhere.
he might not be but who will be left watching,not me for one
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 03, 2015, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on October 03, 2015, 11:44:47 PM
he might not be but who will be left watching,not me for one

Club get the same tv money if you, me or anyone else goes or not, thats the problem with Premier League football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on October 03, 2015, 11:49:59 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on October 03, 2015, 11:41:44 PM
Pulis is contracted for another two years. He's going nowhere.
Results will dictate the duration of his tenure , not the length of his contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 04, 2015, 12:14:55 AM
Because we seem to have so many players defending it must be easy for the opposition to just man-mark one or two other midfielders to effectively neutralise any attacking play by us other than hoofing it aimlessly to the striker(s). Can't Pulis see this? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on October 04, 2015, 01:31:25 AM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 03, 2015, 08:58:40 PM
TP went there for a draw and got one. Didn't really allow Watford any clear cut chances. So yes, a decent performance.

We know TP went for a draw. That is all he ever does.

A few games the ball bounces his way and he comes away with a win, others like today he just looks like the most negative manager in the league, which he is by a long distance. Obviously people are calling for his head because what they are being served is pure rubbish, regardless of results.

Tony Pulis is the equivalent of the Monty Python Spam sketch.

Pulis serves up Spam, spam, spam, spam, with spam. Spam, spam, spam, eggs and spam. Oh, we're out of eggs, so make that Spam, spam, spam, spam, SPAM and spam.

It is hilarious to see people on here keep saying 'but Spam has all the nutrients we need not to starve to death (ie survive in the Prem)'. That may be true, but there are many ways to cook food to survive and make it palatable. Mr one recipe cook Pulis can take his spam and jog on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 04, 2015, 01:45:38 AM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 03, 2015, 08:13:29 PM
I haven't seen the match but I'll watch it later.

This massive outpouring of outrage and calls for Pulis's head are very surprising, though.

Let's analyze the matches and see where points were realistically dropped or gained:

City - Poor performance but the loss was as expected.

Watford - Decent away point and performance.

Chelsea - Had a right go at the reigning champions but a loss was expected again. So no harm done.

Stoke - Massive away win at a difficult ground. That's 2 more points than expected.

Southampton - Reasonably solid performance against a good team with 1 point as expected.

Villa - Great performance and important 3 points. That's 2 more than expected considering last season's defeat there.

Everton - Desperately unlucky to come away empty handed. Would have expected a point. So that's 1 less.

Palace - Poor performance (judging by Pulis's post match comments) ending in a defeat. Would have expected a draw so that's again 1 point less.

So essentially the net result is 2 points realistically gained.

With a home game against Sunderland coming up, it really doesn't look that bad.

I think you are being rather biased in your defence of Pulis and the team. I've highlighted two that I would challenge and no doubt others will pick faults with your comments on other games.

Chelsea - everybody almost but ourselves seems able to pick up points against them this season. And remember they went down to 10 players in our game.

Stoke - 9 players and we still struggled as an attacking force.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smudger 2007 on October 04, 2015, 02:03:21 AM
I know he was always ugly to watch at stoke. But was he ever this negative? Can always seem to recall they always put it on you at stoke especially at the brittania and bombarded you with balks into the box and pressure. We don't even do that. We don't even play the direct game well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 04, 2015, 02:10:10 AM
Quote from: albion59 on October 03, 2015, 10:11:59 PM
Yacob is one of our best player's!!! But you would leave him out? Says it all really.

That's what you get from my post? That I'd drop Yacob? You're utterly clueless, I wouldn't drop Yacob, but something has to give in central midfield if we want to be more creative and I don't see the skipper getting dropped any time soon.

Quote from: Nathan on October 03, 2015, 11:04:32 PM
How on earth do you know what is in Peace's mind? Unless you're sat whispering sweet nothings to each other over a candlelit dinner as we speak?  :-*

Evening Nathan, don't take everything so literally, however, anyone who thinks we're anywhere near to sacking Pulis is living in cloud cuckoo land, we've got the same number of points as the Champions despite losing to them. We could lose 6 or 7 nil to Sunderland (we won't of course, we'll get a solid win, it's what he does) in a fortnight and Pulis would still be in charge of the following game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 04, 2015, 08:10:49 AM
Im waiting for the excuse when sunderland beat us. "It was the international break so my players went away"

Sooner hes gone the better.  There are plenty of mangers out there who could keep us up, we dont have to be stuck with this dinosaur.

I agree with jacko though (twice in a week  :o), hes going no where anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 04, 2015, 08:30:38 AM
Peace wouldnt sack Pulis as Jacko said, He is here to protect hes investment and get us 40 odd points which he will do maybe even a couple more, You can tell already that five or so teams wont get past the 40 mark, there are some seriously good teams in the league this season to, exciting teams, us and villa are going to be like a faulty bicycle with a squeaky wheel staggering to the line in comparison.

I just wonder whether he would walk that's the only thing that might be possible although were that would leave us in terms of the next manager and were he takes us is anybody's guess, I would make an approach for Mcinnes in the summer personally and a few Albion that i have spoke to feel the same way get some excitement back although i know thats not in Jezzas mind.


It all depends on how far Pulis wants to kick on with us not that i think he has it in him but in hes own mind he probably wants a team that has the potential to get in the top half we simply dont, We are the perfect match for him while we are a premiership outfit but that doesnt mean i want to see hes style of football at the club.

Whether its because we dont practice attacking scenarios in training or we just lack serious ability i am unsure but the level of football on a creativity and technical front is just damn right shambolic.

Thats an overall opinion from me not just on yesterday like i said i have no problem with how that game went down they are just a much much better team than us.

Sunderland next hopefully we can knick a 1-0 win and another three points to our tally.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 04, 2015, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on October 03, 2015, 11:08:03 PM
Agree with that entirely Jacko, furthermore it would appear to me that JP not only brought in TP to ensure that we stayed in the Prem to protect his investment, but he thought that he had new owners coming in who would have to manage TP . Now we have a situation where JP has to manage him, having removed our obsolete infrastructure.
I believe that TP is an honest man who will not walk out on us mid season, although he may go at the end of the season. People who want Pulis to be sacked, or walk out now are very missguided, there is no infrastructure to support any new incoming manager. Pulis clearly did not get all the players that he wanted in the transfer window and that has led to friction between Chairman and Manager. We have been here before and JP got rid of the man who gave me more pride in my club than at any other time in my lifetime of support. Yet if we had this forum then people would have been posting about Gary, just with the same venom as they are about TP . He is a genuine bloke doing his best for the club, and not making a very good job of it at present, but he ain't the devil, nor has he a great deal of talent at his disposal, and he is entitled to ask pampered and overpaid young men to make up for lack of ability with ard work.     
I was going to post something similar in that I don't think JP thought TP would be his "problem" in the long term. He knew a sale was likely in the summer and there was a risk in keeping Irvine in charge to that sale. (We would have stayed up anyway  ;)) He brought in TP who has a proven record of maintaining a Premier League status (by any means), it worked, he cashes in and moves on.
With the sale falling through i think JP faces a dilemma, continuing with TP in charge is tarnishing the West Brom brand (it might not be great but at least we had footballing values) and will this be damaging our sale price or is keeping TP integral to maintaining our spot in the greed league and keeping our value? As usual, in the modern scheme of things and imho, it is all about the money not about the sport or those that follow it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 04, 2015, 08:52:36 AM
JP isnt going to sack Pulis, but hopefully Pulis sees we arent the right club for him.

If he left now, has a couple of months break, he could get a job at Xmas, save the club and go again, if he went to a certain club he could have a few years to build them. (Even Villa, with the attacking players they have he would have no choice but to try and win a game)

I am disappointed because i wanted to be won over by Pulis, i like him as a bloke, think he is the sort you would go for a beer with and he is no nonsense, however as a manager of our club i want him gone.

My dad has been going the Albion over 70 years, he is the most positive fan in the world, put a Barca, Real and Bayern dream team against us and he would fancy us to win, but i have noticed this season he has been losing enthusiasm and yesterday he just said 'enough is enough, whats the point in watching this and his enthusiasm for the Albion is going rapidly.' 70 years of going, things he has seen, good and bad, i never remember him being this way during the Gould, Smith, Buckley days, etc (thats only my lifetime) and that says it all  that he has had enough.

On the flipside to that, i was going to buy a mate of mines 5 year old son a ticket for the Leicester game for his birthday, get a new fan along and i have decided now not to bother and give him the money instead because i genuinely feel he would be put off for life.

Lets not pretend things were great under Mel and Irvine, they wasnt but i would chop my right b*****k now for even a bit of the enthusiasm i had then, Pulis has sucked the life out of my enjoyment for the Albion, i realised yesterday its just going to be the same, he has a default which is setup for a 0-0. I expect we grind out a 1-0 against Sunderland or another game round then and keeps us afloat but there has to be more to life than suffering this s**t every week.

I said it before, its all relative, back in the 80's and 90's we had rubbish players, so we expected rubbish, under Megson we had a limited group of players who he made a unit, again didnt expect much, they gave their all and that was enough but ultimately they werent good enough. Nowadays we have quality players who arent going to win the league but can play a bit and they are being coached to do the absolute minimum, ruin the game and try and nick a point and i do expect more.

There is not one attacking player who has improved under Pulis, Berahino probably works harder for the team but he is played out wide, not out wide like he does for England under 21's, but out wide where is main job is to defend. That says it all that not one attacking player has gone better!

We have 3 x strikers in Rondon, Lambert and Anichebe who are all the same,  two who he brought despite having Anichebe at the club, proper wingers who dont play (Gnabry and Mcmanaman) and attacking players who dont make the bench (Sess) if you are over 6ft and work ard you have a chance with Pulis, Chester fails on that front because he is under 6ft.

I understand the big money comes in next year, but its not a one off, its every year so if Pulis is in charge to ensure we stay in the league however it happens, we may as well give him a new 5 year contract til whenever a new TV deal comes in,  if that is the case, i really wont be attending and i think if current performances are anything to go by, thousands will be the same.

I try and see the best in everything but i just want Pulis to go and ASAP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 04, 2015, 08:55:53 AM
With more people watching the Premier League as well around the world, we are been seen by more people and getting more and more criticism, we are getting a bad reputation.

If you were any young up and coming player or any attacking skillful player who had anything about you, why would you join the Albion?! Mercenaries may for the money but to enhance your career, you must be mad.

I bet the Albion players cannot wait to get away to international football to actually be allowed to play some football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 04, 2015, 09:01:17 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on October 04, 2015, 08:30:38 AM
Peace wouldnt sack Pulis as Jacko said, He is here to protect hes investment and get us 40 odd points which he will do maybe even a couple more, You can tell already that five or so teams wont get past the 40 mark, there are some seriously good teams in the league this season to, exciting teams, us and villa are going to be like a faulty bicycle with a squeaky wheel staggering to the line in comparison.

I just wonder whether he would walk that's the only thing that might be possible although were that would leave us in terms of the next manager and were he takes us is anybody's guess, I would make an approach for Mcinnes in the summer personally and a few Albion that i have spoke to feel the same way get some excitement back although i know thats not in Jezzas mind.


It all depends on how far Pulis wants to kick on with us not that i think he has it in him but in hes own mind he probably wants a team that has the potential to get in the top half we simply dont, We are the perfect match for him while we are a premiership outfit but that doesnt mean i want to see hes style of football at the club.

Whether its because we dont practice attacking scenarios in training or we just lack serious ability i am unsure but the level of football on a creativity and technical front is just damn right shambolic.

Thats an overall opinion from me not just on yesterday like i said i have no problem with how that game went down they are just a much much better team than us.

Sunderland next hopefully we can knick a 1-0 win and another three points to our tally.

I love that analogy and I hope you're right (other than the bit about the Villa surviving too)! My fear is though that we are getting more and more predictable and therefore easier and easier to play against so these 1-0 wins can easily become 0-0 draws, the 0-0 draws become 1-0 defeats, etc, etc. Any opposing manager worth his salt will come up with a game plan to deal with how the Albion set up, we don't seem to have a plan B so it's simple to know what to expect from an Albion side now. I think that as the season goes on, points are going to be harder and harder to come by as the opposition begin to pick up on a formula to beat a 10 man defence and a side that struggles to keep possession. I honestly can't see where we will pick up enough wins when in the vast majority of games we don't even attempt to. It's no good relying on draws to see us to the 40 point barrier as like I say, these 0-0 draws are rapidly going to slip into 1-0, 2-0 defeats.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 04, 2015, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on October 04, 2015, 08:52:36 AM
JP isnt going to sack Pulis, but hopefully Pulis sees we arent the right club for him.

If he left now, has a couple of months break, he could get a job at Xmas, save the club and go again, if he went to a certain club he could have a few years to build them. (Even Villa, with the attacking players they have he would have no choice but to try and win a game)

I am disappointed because i wanted to be won over by Pulis, i like him as a bloke, think he is the sort you would go for a beer with and he is no nonsense, however as a manager of our club i want him gone.

My dad has been going the Albion over 70 years, he is the most positive fan in the world, put a Barca, Real and Bayern dream team against us and he would fancy us to win, but i have noticed this season he has been losing enthusiasm and yesterday he just said 'enough is enough, whats the point in watching this and his enthusiasm for the Albion is going rapidly.' 70 years of going, things he has seen, good and bad, i never remember him being this way during the Gould, Smith, Buckley days, etc (thats only my lifetime) and that says it all  that he has had enough.

On the flipside to that, i was going to buy a mate of mines 5 year old son a ticket for the Leicester game for his birthday, get a new fan along and i have decided now not to bother and give him the money instead because i genuinely feel he would be put off for life.

Lets not pretend things were great under Mel and Irvine, they wasnt but i would chop my right b*****k now for even a bit of the enthusiasm i had then, Pulis has sucked the life out of my enjoyment for the Albion, i realised yesterday its just going to be the same, he has a default which is setup for a 0-0. I expect we grind out a 1-0 against Sunderland or another game round then and keeps us afloat but there has to be more to life than suffering this s**t every week.

I said it before, its all relative, back in the 80's and 90's we had rubbish players, so we expected rubbish, under Megson we had a limited group of players who he made a unit, again didnt expect much, they gave their all and that was enough but ultimately they werent good enough. Nowadays we have quality players who arent going to win the league but can play a bit and they are being coached to do the absolute minimum, ruin the game and try and nick a point and i do expect more.

There is not one attacking player who has improved under Pulis, Berahino probably works harder for the team but he is played out wide, not out wide like he does for England under 21's, but out wide where is main job is to defend. That says it all that not one attacking player has gone better!

We have 3 x strikers in Rondon, Lambert and Anichebe who are all the same,  two who he brought despite having Anichebe at the club, proper wingers who dont play (Gnabry and Mcmanaman) and attacking players who dont make the bench (Sess) if you are over 6ft and work ard you have a chance with Pulis, Chester fails on that front because he is under 6ft.

I understand the big money comes in next year, but its not a one off, its every year so if Pulis is in charge to ensure we stay in the league however it happens, we may as well give him a new 5 year contract til whenever a new TV deal comes in,  if that is the case, i really wont be attending and i think if current performances are anything to go by, thousands will be the same.

I try and see the best in everything but i just want Pulis to go and ASAP.

Get that man a beer. Very well put.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on October 04, 2015, 09:15:59 AM
The problem is too many players have made a comfy home for themselves at WBA with no ambition to improve in their career.

People like Foster, Brunt, Olsson, Gardner, Morrison etc.  Why are we as a club pandering to these individuals?  Why aren't they bombed out?  They are totally stale and complacent.

Look at what Koeman has done for example?  What the hell is the club playing at bowing down to these people?  They loved Clarke and Irvine because it was an "easy life".  They rejected Mel because he wanted to change for the better.  BTW take a look at how good Real Betis now look in La Liga.

Believe me if we get rid of Pulis it will be no better with a different manager until these Championship standard players are shown the door.

Does Peace even care any more?  Why doesn't he sell the club once and for all?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 04, 2015, 09:16:16 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on October 04, 2015, 08:55:53 AM
With more people watching the Premier League as well around the world, we are been seen by more people and getting more and more criticism, we are getting a bad reputation.

If you were any young up and coming player or any attacking skillful player who had anything about you, why would you join the Albion?! Mercenaries may for the money but to enhance your career, you must be mad.

I bet the Albion players cannot wait to get away to international football to actually be allowed to play some football.

Interesting point i cant imagine us being much fun to play for at the moment although a lot of people say they are being paid a lot of money to do a job not enjoy it but i think generally a happier team achieves more.

The word mercenaries sums us up perfectly really just a group of players bar one or two that are bang average who enter the cups at round 3 and exit the same round or the next if we get fortunate. Training a few hours a day if that and then if they dont want to stay behind and put in extra work they can pander off and spend the afternoon mincing around the bullring buying adidas pumps or playing fifa whatever they do. Ambition levels very low and wages very high it just doesnt mix they get paid way to much and its killing clubs like ours were the only target to meet is premiership safety.

The team isnt as good as some think on here at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on October 04, 2015, 09:17:57 AM
Id rather be relegated than watch this rubbish. We have some very good players, we don't need to defend against everyone we play against. I think if you gave irvine this set of players even he'd do better. Get Pulis out of our club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 04, 2015, 09:18:50 AM
Quote from: GREGMT on October 04, 2015, 09:15:59 AM
The problem is too many players have made a comfy home for themselves at WBA with no ambition to improve in their career.

People like Foster, Brunt, Olsson, Gardner, Morrison etc.  Why are we as a club pandering to these individuals?  Why aren't they bombed out?  They are totally stale and complacent.

Look at what Koeman has done for example?  What the hell is the club playing at bowing down to these people?  They loved Clarke and Irvine because it was an "easy life".  They rejected Mel because he wanted to change for the better.  BTW take a look at how good Real Betis now look in La Liga.

Believe me if we get rid of Pulis it will be no better with a different manager until these Championship standard players are shown the door.

Does Peace even care any more?  Why doesn't he sell the club once and for all?




Much better than i put it, Fully agree with your point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 04, 2015, 09:20:05 AM
Pulis doesn't guarantee premier league football next season far from it.

Any team that cannot put 2 passes together and consistently gives the ball back to the opposition will get relegated.

Most of our players are now at the stage where controlling and kicking a ball properly is proving difficult and that is down to the coaching staff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on October 04, 2015, 09:22:01 AM
Some great points. For me last season under Pulis was a necessary evil. I didn't really enjoy the United win but appreciated what had to be done. I went to Sunderland and Newcastle and they where truly awful games. But we came away with a point from each and I understood why.

Pulis blamed AI and the scouts. We had the wrong players so he had no choice. So I was happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. I thought he'd go and find us some pace and power. Couple of wingers and a very strong, powerful midfielder (Abou Diaby?). But it never happened. I was aghast at the end of the window.

So who is really to blame? Pulls or Peace. Well in my mind Pulis. He has bent the club to his will we have jettisoned a controlled and long term approach to scouting and we now rely on Pulis and his mates. We failed to attract the right players and we bought players that frankly we didn't need or didn't really add anything new.

I don't see us going down - but I see a horrible 6-7 months ahead squeaking 1-0 wins every now and again. But perhaps the worse element of this is that home performance will remain sterile and flat. Even under Megson we attacked and played a bit even with a very solid structure, likewise with Roy Hodgson.

I am depressed by the forward look - but frankly unless we lose 6-7 on the trot I suspect we're stuck with what we've got and it's a long time since what comes through the turnstile had a impact on the decision of the clubs board.

Prepared to be bored and angry in equal measure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 04, 2015, 09:25:20 AM
Got to feel for the ones who were hard up yet still forked out for a season ticket.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 04, 2015, 09:33:33 AM
Yesterday's approach was no surprise to me. After throwing away 3 points against Everton, getting a point yesterday by whatever means was TP's sole objective.  Once we went 1-0 down yesterday it was game over for us.

I've been pro-Pulis throughout - good bloke, well respected in the game, can't fault his track record etc, but I've now been convinced that his approach to the game is strangling the club.  Many thanks just don't add up.

1. The treatment of Pocognoli, Gamboa and Sessignon. They are still on our payroll and a good man-manager has to get the best out of all resources. 

2. Why sign Chester, Gnarby and McManaman if he now won't use them properly?

3. Gardner?  Words fail me.

4. We were crying out for pace and width. He went out and bought wingers with (some) pace in McManaman, McClean and Gnarby, yet the game plan is all about covering our part-time full backs rather than on attacking intent.

5. In Rondon and Berahino we have two goalscorers who can win matches for us, yet they have minimal chance of scoring from open play.

6. I haven't mentioned Lambert but I've got some sympathy for TP here.  Lambert seems to have aged 5 years after spending a year on the bench at Liverpool. He's virtually unselectable at present.

Above all, it's TP's approach that has to change. A lot has been said this season about it now being harder to win at home and easier to win away.  That certainly isn't true in our case as we won't win anywhere near as many away as other teams because we aren't actually even trying to win when we play away!  We can't rely on winning our home games because other teams who have learned the new way of fast counter-attacking will simply rip us apart, just like Everton did.  If we are going to struggle more at home and show lack of intent away, then we are likely to be 10 points worse off than we have been in the past, which means the TP approach has increased the risk of relegation.  Ironically his "safe hands" reputation will cost us because the game has evolved and he hasn't adapted to it.

Where do we go from here?  That's a tough one. There aren't many managers out there whose track record would be appealing AND who would improve our chances of staying up. There are many who would improve our approach with more positivity, but would the trade-off be a weaker defensive unit.  This is not a job for a novice.   Would a Sean Dyche be the answer? (Would McInnes be a big risk?  I'm totally disregarding the fact that he was a player favourite here - that counts for nothing with me and I'm looking at him rather like Alex Neil at Norwich).  We dodged bullets with Sherwood and McLaren.  Maybe we should look to Brendan Rodgers to "do a Hodgson" and rebuild his reputation once Liverpool fire him.  Sod's law we would end up with Allardyce, but during yesterday's game it occurred to me that he served up much better football at a West Ham than we are currently seeing.

Frustrating times, but dropping those 3 points v Everyon have massively added to the pressure, and have further reduced the chances of Pulis doing anything other than taking a safety-first approach to the next few games.  Sunderland and Leicester?  Can't afford any less than 4 points from those 2 games otherwise JP will be getting very twitchy after backing him so well in the transfer market.  And I really think that even more fans like me who were previously behind TP will then turn.








Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 04, 2015, 09:46:48 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 04, 2015, 02:10:10 AM
That's what you get from my post? That I'd drop Yacob? You're utterly clueless, I wouldn't drop Yacob, but something has to give in central midfield if we want to be more creative and I don't see the skipper getting dropped any time soon.

Evening Nathan, don't take everything so literally, however, anyone who thinks we're anywhere near to sacking Pulis is living in cloud cuckoo land, we've got the same number of points as the Champions despite losing to them. We could lose 6 or 7 nil to Sunderland (we won't of course, we'll get a solid win, it's what he does) in a fortnight and Pulis would still be in charge of the following game.
I am clueless!!? have you read some off your own posts? especially posts about brunt who by the way was dire again yesterday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 04, 2015, 09:48:17 AM
Quote from: baggie96 on October 04, 2015, 09:17:57 AM
Id rather be relegated than watch this rubbish. We have some very good players, we don't need to defend against everyone we play against. I think if you gave irvine this set of players even he'd do better. Get Pulis out of our club
The same Irvine that ditched Yacob and favoured Gardner and Anichebe ? , no lets not get carried away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on October 04, 2015, 09:53:55 AM
TP has on a number of occasions mentioned he would like to be here for the long haul. That I can understand could fill many with dread, including myself.
By handing over the reins on transfer decisions to TP it seems JP has entrusted him with staying up this season as he will certainly be hoping to definatley 'sell up'  next summer. If he does this TP could well get a new contract before JP finally departs, thus we are getting more boring football in the quest for financial interest. Just a theory!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 04, 2015, 09:55:23 AM
Quote from: GREGMT on October 04, 2015, 09:15:59 AM
The problem is too many players have made a comfy home for themselves at WBA with no ambition to improve in their career.

People like Foster, Brunt, Olsson, Gardner, Morrison etc.  Why are we as a club pandering to these individuals?  Why aren't they bombed out?  They are totally stale and complacent.

Look at what Koeman has done for example?  What the hell is the club playing at bowing down to these people?  They loved Clarke and Irvine because it was an "easy life".  They rejected Mel because he wanted to change for the better.  BTW take a look at how good Real Betis now look in La Liga.

Believe me if we get rid of Pulis it will be no better with a different manager until these Championship standard players are shown the door.

Does Peace even care any more?  Why doesn't he sell the club once and for all?
These Championship standard players who consistently do enough to maintain our Premier League status and regularly get picked to represent their country? This is the wrong tree you're barking up.  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 04, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
As much as it pains me to say it I don't think Pulis going now is the right move. It does mean pretty much writing this season off in terms of any enjoyment but we could be in a mess if we made the move now.

If we still had DA in place or even a similar structure as we had pre Pulis then I'd get rid tomorrow but we bet the house on Pulis when appointing him so there is basically no structure at the club now beyond Pulis.

Bringing someone in now they would have to change a team that has been hammered to play one way for 10 months. Assuming we want a more progressive manager they need time and also the resources we have given to Pulis in the summer to put a better balanced squad together.

New guy comes in, we take 1 point from his first 4 games and he's under pressure already.

As much as it pains me to say it, keep Pulis until the summer (give him absolutely no money to spend in January), hope he keeps us up and get rid a day after the season ends. Get a decent progressive manager from somewhere (I wouldn't mind seeing what Rowett could do, maybe Howe if Bournemouth go down) basically anyone other than the usual list of managers like Allerdyce, Bruce etc.

Despite what others think I really think there's the core of a decent PL team in there. Throw in a full back, a powerful box to box CM, a creative MF and a winger or 2 and I don't think we are very far off Swansea/Palace/Southampton.

I really cant see anything other than a win for us against Sunderland, probably with a passable performance which takes us to 14th in the league, 7 points clear of the bottom 3 and the same people who were out in force after the Villa game will be seen on here again for the first time since telling us how great he is. We will draw against Norwich in a game similar to Watford and be comfortable in 15th and it will die down again. We then produce 2 or 3 stinkers like yesterday again and it's armageddon once more. Repeat like that for the rest of the season/Pulis tenure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnny Cash on October 04, 2015, 10:24:38 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on October 04, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
As much as it pains me to say it I don't think Pulis going now is the right move. It does mean pretty much writing this season off in terms of any enjoyment but we could be in a mess if we made the move now.

If we still had DA in place or even a similar structure as we had pre Pulis then I'd get rid tomorrow but we bet the house on Pulis when appointing him so there is basically no structure at the club now beyond Pulis.

Bringing someone in now they would have to change a team that has been hammered to play one way for 10 months. Assuming we want a more progressive manager they need time and also the resources we have given to Pulis in the summer to put a better balanced squad together.

New guy comes in, we take 1 point from his first 4 games and he's under pressure already.

As much as it pains me to say it, keep Pulis until the summer (give him absolutely no money to spend in January), hope he keeps us up and get rid a day after the season ends. Get a decent progressive manager from somewhere (I wouldn't mind seeing what Rowett could do, maybe Howe if Bournemouth go down) basically anyone other than the usual list of managers like Allerdyce, Bruce etc.

Despite what others think I really think there's the core of a decent PL team in there. Throw in a full back, a powerful box to box CM, a creative MF and a winger or 2 and I don't think we are very far off Swansea/Palace/Southampton.

I really cant see anything other than a win for us against Sunderland, probably with a passable performance which takes us to 14th in the league, 7 points clear of the bottom 3 and the same people who were out in force after the Villa game will be seen on here again for the first time since telling us how great he is. We will draw against Norwich in a game similar to Watford and be comfortable in 15th and it will die down again. We then produce 2 or 3 stinkers like yesterday again and it's armageddon once more. Repeat like that for the rest of the season/Pulis tenure.

Bang on how I see it.

TP may not be using his signings as well as he could, but Evans, McManaman, Fletcher, McClean, Chester (I hope) and Rondon (I hope) are decent players for a more forward thinking manager to utilise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on October 04, 2015, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on October 04, 2015, 09:55:23 AM
These Championship standard players who consistently do enough to maintain our Premier League status and regularly get picked to represent their country? This is the wrong tree you're barking up.  :-X

Don't you realise that essentially it was Berahinos goals that kept us up last season, plus some quality defending from Lescott.  The renaissance of Yacob and signing of Fletcher was also pivotal.

You're quoting players being picked by N Ireland.  Well international football is a lower standard that the Premier League and playing for the Green and White Army certainly is.  Do you watch internationals?

Many of our players indeed are Championship Standard.  Why
do you think the players I mentioned are top flight players?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on October 04, 2015, 10:47:57 AM
If there were viable alternatives out there I would argue that should the results start to match certain performances then I would imagine Peace may get trigger happy whoever for me there are no viable alternatives.

That does not mean however that I feel Pulis is correct in certain aspects of the management of the club.

We cant have many performances like yesterday or we will be dragged in the mire but saying that usually with Pulis a result and performance like that then follows two or three very good results abit like old Roy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 04, 2015, 10:50:58 AM
The blame for our struggles lie's squarely at JPs door, lack of investment in First team over our time in the Prem has cost managers coaches back room staff their jobs. To me we look worse than all the teams that have come up and if you continue to buy has been or unproven players then what do you expect. Relegation might be a good thing fans eyes could be opened to this prat peace out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 04, 2015, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: Dudleylad on October 04, 2015, 10:47:57 AM
If there were viable alternatives out there I would argue that should the results start to match certain performances then I would imagine Peace may get trigger happy whoever for me there are no viable alternatives.

That does not mean however that I feel Pulis is correct in certain aspects of the management of the club.

We cant have many performances like yesterday or we will be dragged in the mire but saying that usually with Pulis a result and performance like that then follows two or three very good results abit like old Roy.

Very true, and we shouldn't forget that Palace are actually a very decent side who play the sort of football that clubs like us, them, Swansea, Saints etc should be playing as its the sort of football that gets results and entertains the fans.  It is possible to do both.  Pulis just doesn't believe it's possible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on October 04, 2015, 11:47:52 AM
I do think we have been a touch unlucky with the flow of fixture at home. To open up against a rampant city and then next Chelsea would be tough for anyone ( please don't tell me how rubbish Chelsea are as they will clearly get better and we played well for long periods against them even before they went down to 10). Then we played a very good saints team and got on yesterday's result a useful point. Everton we should of won but one look at thier bench tells us they are miles ahead of us. From what I recall of Pulis at Stoke was they were very hard to beat at home. I fully expect us to start a decent run at home against teams in our so called division. If we swapped the city game for Sunderland for example and won the moaning would be reduced. Most fans see us at home and it's here where we need to improve and look good, starting with Sunderland. A dreadful defensive performance here and I agreed will start to get confused about where we are going
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 04, 2015, 12:49:03 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 04, 2015, 08:10:49 AM
Im waiting for the excuse when sunderland beat us. "It was the international break so my players went away"

Sooner hes gone the better.  There are plenty of mangers out there who could keep us up, we dont have to be stuck with this dinosaur.

I agree with jacko though (twice in a week  :o), hes going no where anytime soon.

If Sunderland beat us and we perform shocking again then if its due to tactics he gets whatever abuse is deserved, if its down to poor performances from players then its time a few were told about their responsibilities wearing that shirt they get rewarded so well for.

Sacking managers as often as we do will not help us in the long term. We've hopefully got away from the inexperienced/ untested that helped massively to get us here so time to a) stick with an experienced one for a while or b) appoint one of the ones out of work from the merry go round that sees them go from club to club or c) back to the untried/ untested brigade who seem so out of their depth

BUT while Peace is in charge he's going nowhere for a while.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 04, 2015, 02:16:48 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on October 04, 2015, 09:15:59 AM
The problem is too many players have made a comfy home for themselves at WBA with no ambition to improve in their career.

People like Foster, Brunt, Olsson, Gardner, Morrison etc.  Why are we as a club pandering to these individuals?  Why aren't they bombed out?  They are totally stale and complacent.



That's very, very harsh. Foster is a very good goalkeeper. Brunt has a great left foot which can deliver a devilish cross or set piece. He's filled in pretty well at left back and is a real professional. Olsson is a real solid centreback who's very dominant aerially. Best after McAuley for me. Gardner is a real hard worker with the correct attitude. Morrison is a great box to box player who can defend as well as attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 04, 2015, 02:23:52 PM
The problem is with keeping him is the longer he stays, the more 'Pulis like' we will become.

Come the end of the season he will of had another transfer window and another 7 to 8 months work with the players drilling into them his methods, and if he keeps us up, why get rid of him then if thats the sole aim?

The longer he is with us the more we will go backwards in every way other than defending and sucking the life out of games and fall behind when it comes to playing any sort of football, not Barca like just some football.

I admire good defensive organisation, its not to be looked down at, however when its at the expense of every other thing its too far.

I really dont care who our next manager is, i just hope Pulis walks today or very soon.

I would rather have Irvine back, just anything other than anti football which is what we play now, if we get relegated in the process so be it, if we get somebody in now they have a chance of reversing the anti football we play and still keep us in the league, even if they didnt if there were positives and we went down so be it, i would rather try to win games in the championship trying than just kill any type of football to stay in the premier league.

Despite the odd glimpse on other games, it became apparent yesterday the majority of our games will be that way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 04, 2015, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 04, 2015, 02:16:48 PM
That's very, very harsh. Foster is a very good goalkeeper. Brunt has a great left foot which can deliver a devilish cross or set piece. He's filled in pretty well at left back and is a real professional. Olsson is a real solid centreback who's very dominant aerially. Best after McAuley for me. Gardner is a real hard worker with the correct attitude. Morrison is a great box to box player who can defend as well as attack.

Problem is they are comfy, they are at the top of where they will go careerwise, making great money, how do you motivate that or try to get more ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 04, 2015, 02:25:37 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on October 04, 2015, 09:33:33 AM

Above all, it's TP's approach that has to change. A lot has been said this season about it now being harder to win at home and easier to win away.  That certainly isn't true in our case as we won't win anywhere near as many away as other teams because we aren't actually even trying to win when we play away!  We can't rely on winning our home games because other teams who have learned the new way of fast counter-attacking will simply rip us apart, just like Everton did.  If we are going to struggle more at home and show lack of intent away, then we are likely to be 10 points worse off than we have been in the past, which means the TP approach has increased the risk of relegation.  Ironically his "safe hands" reputation will cost us because the game has evolved and he hasn't adapted to it.

 

Everton didn't ''rip apart'' West Brom by any means and neither did they score through a counterattack. All 3 of their goals came when Albion's defence were fully set in position.

Furthermore, TP doesn't need to adapt because the ''game has evolved'' or other nonsense like that. He will get you safety regardless of how ''modern or progressive'' other teams are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 04, 2015, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on October 04, 2015, 10:26:26 AM
Don't you realise that essentially it was Berahinos goals that kept us up last season,

Not really. Look up the results. Albion would have survived last season even if Berahino hadn't scored a single goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 04, 2015, 03:35:23 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 04, 2015, 02:25:37 PM
Everton didn't ''rip apart'' West Brom by any means and neither did they score through a counterattack. All 3 of their goals came when Albion's defence were fully set in position.

Furthermore, TP doesn't need to adapt because the ''game has evolved'' or other nonsense like that. He will get you safety regardless of how ''modern or progressive'' other teams are.

Not sure that you were watching the same game as me.  As soon as they realised we were going to try to sit back, they came right at us, threw on pacey subs and in the last 20 minutes we were under siege.

We have become very predictable. Home games have become harder to win and we won't win many away games when we set up ourselves up precisely not to win away games.  We are now devoid of attacking intent.  We can't score many from our own half.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 04, 2015, 04:06:36 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 04, 2015, 02:16:48 PM
That's very, very harsh. Foster is a very good goalkeeper. Brunt has a great left foot which can deliver a devilish cross or set piece. He's filled in pretty well at left back and is a real professional. Olsson is a real solid centreback who's very dominant aerially. Best after McAuley for me. Gardner is a real hard worker with the correct attitude. Morrison is a great box to box player who can defend as well as attack.
Brunt was found out big time yesterday Zaha tore him a new one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 04, 2015, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on October 04, 2015, 04:06:36 PM
Brunt was found out big time yesterday Zaha tore him a new one.

On his day he can do a number on anyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 04, 2015, 04:32:09 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on October 04, 2015, 03:35:23 PM
Not sure that you were watching the same game as me.  As soon as they realised we were going to try to sit back, they came right at us, threw on pacey subs and in the last 20 minutes we were under siege.



Even when Lukaku got their first, it never looked like Albion were hanging on at any point. There were no frantic goal-line clearances or defenders throwing their bodies on the the line in the box or anything like that. The fact that Everton had 3 shots on target in the whole match and they scored with all 3 of them says it all really.

West Brom had the better chances over the 90 minutes and definitely deserved at least a point from the game. (Especially when you consider the fact that Kone's goal was offside)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 04, 2015, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on October 04, 2015, 04:06:36 PM
Brunt was found out big time yesterday Zaha tore him a new one.

Better players than Brunt will get torn a new one by Zaha. Hardly found out at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on October 04, 2015, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 04, 2015, 02:25:37 PM
Everton didn't ''rip apart'' West Brom by any means and neither did they score through a counterattack. All 3 of their goals came when Albion's defence were fully set in position.

Furthermore, TP doesn't need to adapt because the ''game has evolved'' or other nonsense like that. He will get you safety regardless of how ''modern or progressive'' other teams are.

We have been solidly safe for six years if nothing else because there have always been teams much worse than us. So in other words there is no need for TP to bore us all to death to stay "safe". Banging on about how we must endure rubbish "football" to stays "safe" is nonsense.

The simple fact of the matter, as a lot of posters are saying, is that people are losing interest in Albion because of the anti-entertainment that Pulis serves up. I get that some people take some kind of perverse pleasure in Pulisball, but over time we will have exactly the same reaction that it got at Stoke, yes, even Stoke. The majority of the fans will simply have had enough because there is more to football, and indeed life, than safety.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 04, 2015, 05:23:27 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 04, 2015, 04:32:09 PM
Even when Lukaku got their first, it never looked like Albion were hanging on at any point. There were no frantic goal-line clearances or defenders throwing their bodies on the the line in the box or anything like that. The fact that Everton had 3 shots on target in the whole match and they scored with all 3 of them says it all really.

West Brom had the better chances over the 90 minutes and definitely deserved at least a point from the game. (Especially when you consider the fact that Kone's goal was offside)

Sorry but you were definitely not watching the same game.  Myhill made at least 3 saves from shots on target from just outside the box.  Everton did not just have 3 shots on target!

Yes we were unlucky not to get at least a little but we caved in.  Kone was offside by about 3 inches.  You're clutching at straws.  You'll be claiming next that Lukaku handballed the winner.




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on October 04, 2015, 06:09:51 PM
I used to remember coming out of the Hawthorns after Stoke had done us 1-0 saying "how the hell do people pay to watch that every week" and now we're the ones doing exactly the same.

It's time we all voted with our feet. I'm pretty sure if this carries on over the course of the season and we get relegated there will be a few walkouts or something. It's completely unacceptable and the club need to realise it quick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on October 04, 2015, 06:13:21 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on October 04, 2015, 05:23:27 PM
Sorry but you were definitely not watching the same game.  Myhill made at least 3 saves from shots on target from just outside the box.  Everton did not just have 3 shots on target!

Yes we were unlucky not to get at least a little but we caved in.  Kone was offside by about 3 inches.  You're clutching at straws.  You'll be claiming next that Lukaku handballed the winner.

They had 4.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 04, 2015, 06:14:58 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on October 04, 2015, 05:23:27 PM
Sorry but you were definitely not watching the same game.  Myhill made at least 3 saves from shots on target from just outside the box.  Everton did not just have 3 shots on target!


Myhill didn't really have any saves to make. He claimed a cross or two and punched away a corner; things you expect any goalkeeper to be doing. He really didn't have to make any save of note, let alone a world class one.

Look up the BBC post match stats if you don't believe me. Everton only had 4 shots on target in the whole match and with one of them in the first half.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 04, 2015, 06:42:04 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 04, 2015, 06:14:58 PM
Myhill didn't really have any saves to make. He claimed a cross or two and punched away a corner; things you expect any goalkeeper to be doing. He really didn't have to make any save of note, let alone a world class one.

Look up the BBC post match stats if you don't believe me. Everton only had 4 shots on target in the whole match and with one of them in the first half.

I guess their definition of a "shot" must be different to mine.  I definitely recall more than one save by Myhill.

Forget the stats - I will watch the recorded match again.  I wouldn't be doing that for yesterday's game though!!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 04, 2015, 07:42:21 PM
He deserves time and patience due to the fantastic job he did last season. I'm just fed up of this constant negativity to every manager we have, let's have a bit of stability.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 04, 2015, 08:18:50 PM
how people can defend pulis is beyond me!

constantly playing players out of their favored positions, leaving GOOD players out in the cold not even making the bench, every game he makes ridiculous substitutions.. but its fine because we defend well i suppose?

why on earth are the likes of olsson, gardner and brunt in the squad?! fair enough brunt has done OK at LB... gardner is  poor but he works hard so thats ok  :-[ .. someone said on here that olsson is a solid defender... im sure weve conceded 3 every time he's played this season?! LOL

been a season ticket holder for a good few years and i can honestly say i hate going up this season, its depressing, boring, dead. I only go purely because i paid for my ticket its a joke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on October 04, 2015, 09:01:53 PM
I will not be renewing having to watch whatever this is, it's not football that's for sure . I would rather be in a lower league
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 04, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
has it crossed anyone's mind that maybe pulis himself hasn't got the desire or hunger anymore, what he achieved at stoke will not be repeated with us in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 04, 2015, 09:32:21 PM
I think the issue with Pulis this season is that he's got carried away with the defense and thinks we have the ability to get clean sheets in the majority of games.
Last year, with less money spent and a worse team to chose from, we looked half-decent and always had a goal in us, even if it was from a set-piece. This year the creativity is just absent, and we can't defend at all times.
I still think we'll be fine with Pulis but this past week has highlighted why he will never get top 10 with his philosophy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on October 04, 2015, 09:32:35 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 04, 2015, 07:42:21 PM
He deserves time and patience due to the fantastic job he did last season. I'm just fed up of this constant negativity to every manager we have, let's have a bit of stability.

        I've always backed Pullis , I'm a season ticket holder ,but after watching the last two matches and listening to his post match comments I've just lost every faith in the man . 1 : how can a manager say that Chester was nervous on his home debut v Everton when he had already started v Man C and 2:  say we lacked a cutting edge in the 2nd half especially when  he takes Berahino off  and puts Gardner on . Absolutely  disgusted  by his selections and comments do Reset that poll and let's see what the fans say know 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on October 04, 2015, 09:54:02 PM
Do people think that the club are aware of the general feelings of the members of this forum ?  Is there anY definitive knowledge on this ?

If they are, is it possible that someone would tell TP that they saw a guy called JohnnyG posting a comment that said " i wish TP would f**k off away from our club immediately before he ruins it".
Wishful thinking, i suppose.

PS - anyone notice how Real Betis are in a fine healthy 8th position in La Liga, and getting plenty praise for their style of play. Compared to our shambles at The Hawthorns...... Hmmmmmmmmmmm.




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 04, 2015, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on October 04, 2015, 09:54:02 PM
Do people think that the club are aware of the general feelings of the members of this forum ?  Is there anY definitive knowledge on this ?

If they are, is it possible that someone would tell TP that they saw a guy called JohnnyG posting a comment that said " i wish TP would f**k off away from our club immediately before he ruins it".
Wishful thinking, i suppose.

PS - anyone notice how Real Betis are in a fine healthy 8th position in La Liga, and getting plenty praise for their style of play. Compared to our shambles at The Hawthorns...... Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
wait till mels players start crying like little girls. I second your wish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 05, 2015, 02:09:08 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 04, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
has it crossed anyone's mind that maybe pulis himself hasn't got the desire or hunger anymore, what he achieved at stoke will not be repeated with us in my opinion.

No he is doing exactly what he did at Stoke creating a team that would not be relegated by grinding out results. They would never progress beyond that despite the many of millions lavished on the team by the Coates family. There is a reason why he is not Stoke manager the fans basically got fed up with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on October 05, 2015, 04:54:20 AM
Quote from: Standaman on October 05, 2015, 02:09:08 AM
No he is doing exactly what he did at Stoke creating a team that would not be relegated by grinding out results. They would never progress beyond that despite the many of millions lavished on the team by the Coates family. There is a reason why he is not Stoke manager the fans basically got fed up with it.

Indeed. I gave up on Pulis when it became clear we will just do a repeat of Stoke. I was ok with TP coming in to save our season last year, but more Stoke nonsense this time with us? Not interested in the slightest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 05, 2015, 08:41:36 AM
Would you trust Pulis with anymore money, i am not so sure
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 05, 2015, 09:33:03 AM
Why Pulis is here, every second i am at a game i will back him but i definitely no longer want him, i hope he goes ASAP.

Last season was a free shot, the mood at the club was very low and the expectation was just to stay up, he did it, was very boring at times with the odd glimpse, but he did it.

This season, after spending a lot of money, having a full pre season we appear to be going backwards, is there one part of us that has improved from last season? The defence was decent last season but this season we either keep a clean sheet or let in 2 or 3.

In every other we have gone backwards, its dinosaur stuff, and if this is the sign of what Pulis is building, god help us, i would rather stick pins in my eyes than suffer it long term.

Somehow the mood appears to be lower than last xmas and that takes some doing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 05, 2015, 09:35:28 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 05, 2015, 08:41:36 AM
Would you trust Pulis with anymore money, i am not so sure
That for me was my main concern with Pulis , I think its one of his weakest areas and if I remember correctly he tried to sign Goran Popov at Stoke which is alarming for me! :)
So far Chester seems to be a  costly blip , Lambert most were delighted with but is struggling , McManaman rarely gets more than 60 mins when he does play.
However I do believe you can't judge players on a handful of games , id actually start Lambert as a striker against Sunderland.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 05, 2015, 09:51:08 AM
I have come to the conclusion that TP's "too comfortable at the club" comments are his way of justifying bringing in more of his men and thereby solidifying his own position!

Looking at the bigger picture, I wonder if when JP appointed TP part of the attraction for TP was new ownership coming in with "loadsamoney", Once that blew up we have a situation where TP cannot walk as he has recently done the same at Palarse and his CV cannot tolerate a repeat, JP has a warchest of "£x" and no more.

So how does TP ensure his (our) survival last season and this? well he isn't going to throw the baby out with the bath water is he? Its just not in his nature!
He will revert to what he knows and what as worked for him before.
Hard work, systemic footy, grinding out results, cynical football (remember the deLap / Crouch tactics as one crude example).
Will it work for him at WBA this season?
a) a first team that could do it, but not a squad that can (IMO)
b) a fan base who are intolerant of the "style"
c) Opposition who ave developed and are more disposed to attack as they also know whats at stake this season.
d) Lack of funding, which he has previously been given.

for me this adds upto,  it being quite likely we will go down this season and it will be a long and agonising road to the championship and JP, the players and the fans had better be prepared for it being their fault, cause it sure won't be TP's !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 05, 2015, 11:52:46 AM
Pulis has been bemoaning the lack of quality this squad possesses since day one, yet he has spent £40million and the team looks no better.  Most of our current key players were all here before he arrived, Dawson, McAuley, Brunt, Yacob, Morrison, Berahino.   The only signing that can be deemed an outright success is Evans and arguably Fletcher. 

We all knew our squad was somewhat disjointed but again this hasn’t been rectified, it looks as imbalanced now as it did 12 months ago, infact we have barely got a squad because Pulis has completely discarded certain individuals and will barely recognise their existence.  Every squad will possess players who are unhappy but I can’t imagine there’s many with so many aggrieved players as ours; Sess, Poco, Gnarbry, Mcmanaman, Chester, Gamboa and possibly even Lindegaard all have genuine reason to be peeved.

Upon his appointment many said the football would be poor but to be patient as it would improve but we’re 10 months down the line and it’s getting worse.  We have scored just six goals this season and we could only muster one against nine men at Stoke, no team has scored fewer and newly promoted Norwich have scored double that amount.  We have played 8 games (almost quarter of the season) and in my opinion we have played well once (Villa away).   It’s not good enough, we have some good players and no one can tell me that this team isn’t capable of playing better.

Leaving Selhurst was painful, Palace fans up in our faces laughing at how pooh we are, the way we set up on Saturday and our whole mentality was embarrassing, to see Myhill time wasting after 10 minutes was one of the most pathetic things I’ve seen in a long while.   Nobody wants to constantly chop and change manager and as a football club we do need stability but if the football and the results aren’t there, what are we to do?   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 05, 2015, 12:14:12 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on October 05, 2015, 11:52:46 AM
Leaving Selhurst was painful, Palace fans up in our faces laughing at how pooh we are

Not disputing what you have posted in any way, but where exactly did this happen please?
Right outside the ground?

I left Selhurst following the final whistle and did not see anything like this.
Nobody came anywhere near me on the way out. I even had a few tots with Palace supporters in both the Wetherspoons and the Cherry Tree outside Norwood Junction following the game.

Absolutely nobody got in my face at any point and I was on my own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 05, 2015, 12:23:18 PM
Cant believe what he is supposed to have said according to the Sun that we didn't create enough chances.This is the man who took our top striker off and replaced him with Craig Gardner at half time I really don't know what he expects.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 05, 2015, 12:28:26 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on October 05, 2015, 11:52:46 AM
Pulis has been bemoaning the lack of quality this squad possesses since day one, yet he has spent £40million and the team looks no better.  Most of our current key players were all here before he arrived, Dawson, McAuley, Brunt, Yacob, Morrison, Berahino.   The only signing that can be deemed an outright success is Evans and arguably Fletcher. 

We all knew our squad was somewhat disjointed but again this hasn’t been rectified, it looks as imbalanced now as it did 12 months ago, infact we have barely got a squad because Pulis has completely discarded certain individuals and will barely will recognise their existence.  Every squad will possess players who are unhappy but I can’t imagine there’s many with so many aggrieved players as ours; Sess, Poco, Gnarbry, Mcmanaman, Chester, Gamboa and possibly even Lindegaard all have genuine reason to be peeved.

Upon his appointment many said the football would be poor but to be patient as it would improve but we’re 10 months down the line and it’s getting worse.  We have scored just six goals this season and we could only muster one against nine men at Stoke, no team has scored fewer and newly promoted Norwich have scored double that amount.  We have played 8 games (almost quarter of the season) and in my opinion we have played well once (Villa away).   It’s not good enough, we have some good players and no one can tell me that this team isn’t capable of playing better.

Leaving Selhurst was painful, Palace fans up in our faces laughing at how pooh we are, the way we set up on Saturday and our whole mentality was embarrassing, to see Myhill time wasting after 10 minutes was one of the most pathetic things I’ve seen in a long while.   Nobody wants to constantly chop and change manager and as a football club we do need stability but if the football and the results aren’t there, what are we to do?   


That is a top post, very well said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 05, 2015, 02:22:56 PM
Last season, when he came in, he was moaning that he hadn't had a pre-season with the team.
He has had that and also had a say in who to shed and who to keep.
It is all on his head now.
He has to shape up or ship out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebuckster on October 05, 2015, 02:50:53 PM
Straight after the match on Saturday he was moaning that the players will be away on International Duty so he won't have much time to sort things out. He then said that he couldn't understand why the very same team had performed so well at Villa but so poorly at Palace. If he doesn't understand this then how the hell is he going to sort it out?

The truth is that we were better against Villa for a number of reasons:

Palace are a much different proposition to Villa and hoping to defend for 90 minutes was a flawed plan. If after witnessing a first half where we were non existent as an attacking force his answer was to replace Berahino with Gardner then what does he expect. I appreciate that Zaha was killing Brunt but we allowed Palace to carry the ball into our half and then shovel it out wide without any intention of pressing them higher up the pitch. If Palace had allowed us to do the same then I have no doubt that Mcmanaman (if selected) could have had exactly the same type of impact against their full back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 05, 2015, 02:52:35 PM
There is no enjoyment in watching us anymore. It is boring. Complete mind-numbing tripe. Who wants to watch your side play like that at Crystal Palace ffs?

I'm afraid away games are off the cards for me. I'm not spending the best of a £100 on the day for little enjoyment bar the company of my mates. There is nothing to be hopeful for. Nothing to excite you and until that changes, I'll try and stay away
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 05, 2015, 02:54:35 PM
So i read he gets more support from this site than any other Albion message board.
we have 3 winnable games coming up, 6 points will keep us happy for the time being i am sure but he is slowly brainwashing everybody including the footballers.

Go eat humble JP and get Nigel Pearson
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 05, 2015, 02:54:57 PM
Where to start with all this.

First of all, I'm a Stoke fan and I have to say the comments on this thread from supporters who are having the joy of football strangled out of them by the Pulis brand of 'football' are depressingly familiar.

He'll talk about needing more quality while chucking millions down the drain on centre halves to play at full back and forwards who'll need binoculars to find the nearest midfielder to support him. The midfield will just become part of the 'back eight as he lovingly liked to refer to it.

The list of crimes against football are endless, and to be honest, I can't be arsed to list them because by the looks of it, you've pretty much got him nailed anyway.

The bad news is that after a couple of poor results, he'll really baton down the hatches and grind out a few 0-0 results to keep you on target for the golden ticket 40 points he always craves. And that really will be the height of your ambitions for the time he's at your club. What fun and entertainment you'll have...NOT!

For your sakes, I hope he doesn't darken your doorstep for too long. Our club gained itself a reputation for ugliness that it will take years to get rid of. But don't think he'll be put off by supporter unrest. He really has the thickest skin in football. He'll go when your owners decide enough is enough.

You guys will know whether your owners are happy to put up with utter dirge week after week to stay in the Premier League, or whether they care enough about the supporters to spare them further punishment by getting rid at the end of the season.

By then, like at Stoke, large numbers of you will probably be considering giving up on the club you've loved all your lives. It really does get that bad. You have my sympathy.

Best wishes,

DK



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 05, 2015, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 05, 2015, 02:54:57 PM
Where to start with all this.

First of all, I'm a Stoke fan and I have to say the comments on this thread from supporters who are having the joy of football strangled out of them by the Pulis brand of 'football' are depressingly familiar.

He'll talk about needing more quality while chucking millions down the drain on centre halves to play at full back and forwards who'll need binoculars to find the nearest midfielder to support him. The midfield will just become part of the 'back eight as he lovingly liked to refer to it.

The list of crimes against football are endless, and to be honest, I can't be arsed to list them because by the looks of it, you've pretty much got him nailed anyway.

The bad news is that after a couple of poor results, he'll really baton down the hatches and grind out a few 0-0 results to keep you on target for the golden ticket 40 points he always craves. And that really will be the height of your ambitions for the time he's at your club. What fun and entertainment you'll have...NOT!

For your sakes, I hope he doesn't darken your doorstep for too long. Our club gained itself a reputation for ugliness that it will take years to get rid of. But don't think he'll be put off by supporter unrest. He really has the thickest skin in football. He'll go when your owners decide enough is enough.

You guys will know whether your owners are happy to put up with utter dirge week after week to stay in the Premier League, or whether they care enough about the supporters to spare them further punishment by getting rid at the end of the season.

By then, like at Stoke, large numbers of you will probably be considering giving up on the club you've loved all your lives. It really does get that bad. You have my sympathy.

Best wishes,

DK


I wouldnt give/trust this bloke with another penny
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 05, 2015, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 05, 2015, 02:54:35 PM
So i read he gets more support from this site than any other Albion message board.
we have 3 winnable games coming up, 6 points will keep us happy for the time being i am sure but he is slowly brainwashing everybody including the footballers.

Go eat humble JP and get Nigel Pearson
Doubt Pearson would work for Peace again. Hasn't he refused once already for a no2 job a couple years back?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 05, 2015, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 05, 2015, 02:54:57 PM
Where to start with all this.

First of all, I'm a Stoke fan and I have to say the comments on this thread from supporters who are having the joy of football strangled out of them by the Pulis brand of 'football' are depressingly familiar.

He'll talk about needing more quality while chucking millions down the drain on centre halves to play at full back and forwards who'll need binoculars to find the nearest midfielder to support him. The midfield will just become part of the 'back eight as he lovingly liked to refer to it.

The list of crimes against football are endless, and to be honest, I can't be arsed to list them because by the looks of it, you've pretty much got him nailed anyway.

The bad news is that after a couple of poor results, he'll really baton down the hatches and grind out a few 0-0 results to keep you on target for the golden ticket 40 points he always craves. And that really will be the height of your ambitions for the time he's at your club. What fun and entertainment you'll have...NOT!

For your sakes, I hope he doesn't darken your doorstep for too long. Our club gained itself a reputation for ugliness that it will take years to get rid of. But don't think he'll be put off by supporter unrest. He really has the thickest skin in football. He'll go when your owners decide enough is enough.

You guys will know whether your owners are happy to put up with utter dirge week after week to stay in the Premier League, or whether they care enough about the supporters to spare them further punishment by getting rid at the end of the season.

By then, like at Stoke, large numbers of you will probably be considering giving up on the club you've loved all your lives. It really does get that bad. You have my sympathy.

Best wishes,

DK

Well thats cheered me up no end........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bring me sunshine on October 05, 2015, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: Standaman on October 05, 2015, 02:09:08 AM
No he is doing exactly what he did at Stoke creating a team that would not be relegated by grinding out results. They would never progress beyond that despite the many of millions lavished on the team by the Coates family. There is a reason why he is not Stoke manager the fans basically got fed up with it.

And the owner and the Coates family and the players and the sponsors and pretty much everybody associated with the club but on a lighter note I’m pleased to see he’s working his magic with you. It’s just a matter of time, my guess is February 2016, before your at all out war with each other.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on October 05, 2015, 03:41:59 PM
Quote from: bring me sunshine on October 05, 2015, 03:37:23 PM
And the owner and the Coates family and the players and the sponsors and pretty much everybody associated with the club but on a lighter note I’m pleased to see he’s working his magic with you. It’s just a matter of time, my guess is February 2016, before your at all out war with each other.

I think that's already happening to be honest. He's killing this club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 05, 2015, 03:45:22 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 05, 2015, 02:54:57 PM
and forwards who'll need binoculars to find the nearest midfielder to support him.

Favourite quote. Frighteningly so true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: macc_baggie on October 05, 2015, 03:55:32 PM
I've previously been an advocate of sacrificing a lot to stay up. Purely from a selfish point of view as I can still follow all the games via streams.

However, if we continue to play like we did against Palace, i have no desire to even watch us on a stream, never mind spending the time, money and effort to see that.

I'll give Pulis more time, but my patience cannot endure many more games like Saturdays.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ahandpatsy on October 05, 2015, 03:56:47 PM
I notice that the poll in this thread says that nearly 70% of fans support Pulis.

Was this poll originally carried out several weeks ago and therefore still retains those votes.

It would be interesting to carry out a new clean poll to see if opinions have changed.

I see more and more people refusing to go to away and home matches. 

My opinion of him hasn't changed since last March.  He is and will always be a dinosaur and will suck the life out of the club I love.  Gave up my season ticket this year and stopped going after March.

Sad.

So....any chance of another poll as I can't believe that 70% of punters still would rather have him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 05, 2015, 04:07:40 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 05, 2015, 02:54:57 PM
Where to start with all this.

First of all, I'm a Stoke fan and I have to say the comments on this thread from supporters who are having the joy of football strangled out of them by the Pulis brand of 'football' are depressingly familiar.

He'll talk about needing more quality while chucking millions down the drain on centre halves to play at full back and forwards who'll need binoculars to find the nearest midfielder to support him. The midfield will just become part of the 'back eight as he lovingly liked to refer to it.

The list of crimes against football are endless, and to be honest, I can't be arsed to list them because by the looks of it, you've pretty much got him nailed anyway.

The bad news is that after a couple of poor results, he'll really baton down the hatches and grind out a few 0-0 results to keep you on target for the golden ticket 40 points he always craves. And that really will be the height of your ambitions for the time he's at your club. What fun and entertainment you'll have...NOT!

For your sakes, I hope he doesn't darken your doorstep for too long. Our club gained itself a reputation for ugliness that it will take years to get rid of. But don't think he'll be put off by supporter unrest. He really has the thickest skin in football. He'll go when your owners decide enough is enough.

You guys will know whether your owners are happy to put up with utter dirge week after week to stay in the Premier League, or whether they care enough about the supporters to spare them further punishment by getting rid at the end of the season.

By then, like at Stoke, large numbers of you will probably be considering giving up on the club you've loved all your lives. It really does get that bad. You have my sympathy.

Best wishes,

DK

Blimey, if we dont sort this out Albion it will be dark days indeed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on October 05, 2015, 04:13:20 PM
We are going to get turned over by Sunderland. £40 million spent, at least when Megson played like this, we didn't have a pot to urine in. It's depressing. Dreamkiller is spot on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 05, 2015, 04:24:44 PM

I was at the Crystal Palace game and I have not seen a game where we were so devoid of ideas since the days of getting rolled over in Division one in the 90's. However if we had gone for a more attacking style we would of lost by more for sure, Palace were really good, they will fade though as there bench does look a little suspect. I can understand the Gardener for Berahino substation as we were getting killed in Midfield.

Which got me thinking which games could we have won if we had played a more attacking game. Watford and Southampton spring to mind - both games if we are staying up I would of expected a win from either, however we got 2 points. Probably enough to stop up but only just.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 05, 2015, 04:30:48 PM
listen out for Eddy on WM tonight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 05, 2015, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 05, 2015, 02:54:35 PM
So i read he gets more support from this site than any other Albion message board.
we have 3 winnable games coming up, 6 points will keep us happy for the time being i am sure but he is slowly brainwashing everybody including the footballers.

Go eat humble JP and get Nigel Pearson

The Birmingham Mail report which referred to Footy Mad was inaccurate.

The poll showed from a number of approximately 20 voter's, 12 were in favour of giving Pulis more time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 05, 2015, 05:05:27 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 05, 2015, 08:41:36 AM
Would you trust Pulis with anymore money, i am not so sure
definitely not, and I am sure, after £30m we look worse than last season
brown - lambert & rondom £12m   no improvement
chester - lescott  no improvement, oh and how much £5-6m
macmanuman   Â£5m hardly see him
still got no full backs
mcclean  nowhere near good enough £1.5m
we've still got no pace or creativity in midfield.
and according to the e&s pulis goes out to win every game, he's taking the urine.




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 05, 2015, 05:40:03 PM
He referenced the Villa game after the defeat on Saturday. Before and after that game there was talk of getting the balance between defence and attack right.
Can we get that stamped onto the Pulis forehead. If we see that, some attacking intent every game I think fans in general would be that much more supportive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 05, 2015, 05:45:12 PM
He has got the forward line coming back to help the defence.
If only the defence was fast enough to get up to help the forwards.
They are like cart horses waiting in the knackers yard.
No chance of a canter or gallop from them. A trot makes their nostrils flair at the exertion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on October 05, 2015, 07:00:45 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 05, 2015, 02:57:35 PM

I wouldnt give/trust this bloke with another penny
You would not trust Pulis with custard because the custard would mirror his team's ... full of lumps
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on October 05, 2015, 08:06:35 PM
Its looking more and more like Palace was an anomaly.

A shame, because that's what I was hanging my 'It'll be okay' school of thinking ...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 05, 2015, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on October 05, 2015, 08:06:35 PM
Its looking more and more like Palace was an anomaly.

A shame, because that's what I was hanging my 'It'll be okay' school of thinking ...
My concern over the Palace months has always been why he left. Difference of opinion over the transfer market - what type of player was he targeting that caused such a disagreement  (6ft+ centre halves to play as fullbacks?)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 05, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on October 05, 2015, 08:06:35 PM
Its looking more and more like Palace was an anomaly.

A shame, because that's what I was hanging my 'It'll be okay' school of thinking ...
you could argue that Pulis left Palace before he was able to ruin them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on October 05, 2015, 09:10:59 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 05, 2015, 02:54:57 PM
Where to start with all this.

First of all, I'm a Stoke fan and I have to say the comments on this thread from supporters who are having the joy of football strangled out of them by the Pulis brand of 'football' are depressingly familiar.

He'll talk about needing more quality while chucking millions down the drain on centre halves to play at full back and forwards who'll need binoculars to find the nearest midfielder to support him. The midfield will just become part of the 'back eight as he lovingly liked to refer to it.

The list of crimes against football are endless, and to be honest, I can't be arsed to list them because by the looks of it, you've pretty much got him nailed anyway.

The bad news is that after a couple of poor results, he'll really baton down the hatches and grind out a few 0-0 results to keep you on target for the golden ticket 40 points he always craves. And that really will be the height of your ambitions for the time he's at your club. What fun and entertainment you'll have...NOT!

For your sakes, I hope he doesn't darken your doorstep for too long. Our club gained itself a reputation for ugliness that it will take years to get rid of. But don't think he'll be put off by supporter unrest. He really has the thickest skin in football. He'll go when your owners decide enough is enough.

You guys will know whether your owners are happy to put up with utter dirge week after week to stay in the Premier League, or whether they care enough about the supporters to spare them further punishment by getting rid at the end of the season.

By then, like at Stoke, large numbers of you will probably be considering giving up on the club you've loved all your lives. It really does get that bad. You have my sympathy.

Best wishes,

DK
very well put we should have got rid of pulis last may ,he his destroying our club,and ive practically stopped going or even watching on tv
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 05, 2015, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 05, 2015, 02:54:57 PM
Where to start with all this.

First of all, I'm a Stoke fan and I have to say the comments on this thread from supporters who are having the joy of football strangled out of them by the Pulis brand of 'football' are depressingly familiar.

He'll talk about needing more quality while chucking millions down the drain on centre halves to play at full back and forwards who'll need binoculars to find the nearest midfielder to support him. The midfield will just become part of the 'back eight as he lovingly liked to refer to it.

The list of crimes against football are endless, and to be honest, I can't be arsed to list them because by the looks of it, you've pretty much got him nailed anyway.

The bad news is that after a couple of poor results, he'll really baton down the hatches and grind out a few 0-0 results to keep you on target for the golden ticket 40 points he always craves. And that really will be the height of your ambitions for the time he's at your club. What fun and entertainment you'll have...NOT!

For your sakes, I hope he doesn't darken your doorstep for too long. Our club gained itself a reputation for ugliness that it will take years to get rid of. But don't think he'll be put off by supporter unrest. He really has the thickest skin in football. He'll go when your owners decide enough is enough.

You guys will know whether your owners are happy to put up with utter dirge week after week to stay in the Premier League, or whether they care enough about the supporters to spare them further punishment by getting rid at the end of the season.

By then, like at Stoke, large numbers of you will probably be considering giving up on the club you've loved all your lives. It really does get that bad. You have my sympathy.

Best wishes,

DK

GREAT POST and - sort of - thanks.
I was, I have to say, very pro-Pulis until the last few weeks. Saturday's game was beyond turgid and felt like the turning point for me.
Don't think I can stand much more of this - if we are going to lose at least don't make us look THIS dull and dreadful!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 05, 2015, 09:47:51 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on October 05, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
you could argue that Pulis left Palace before he was able to ruin them.

That's my view. He inherited a team at Palace that was made for counter attacking with pacey tricky forwards. To his credit, he left the frontline alone and added the defensive steel that turned them into a decent team who for a Pulis side were quite pleasing on the eye.

At West Brom, he seems to have completely reverted to type with square pegs in round holes all over the place, isolated forwards and unnecessarily negative substitutions.

I've always thought that if given enough time he'd have done to Palace what he did to Stoke - his last act at Palace was to bring in Hangaland. Soon after, he was gone. Sadly for you he's been given the second season he needs in order to mould a team in his image.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on October 05, 2015, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 05, 2015, 09:47:51 PM
That's my view. He inherited a team at Palace that was made for counter attacking with pacey tricky forwards. To his credit, he left the frontline alone and added the defensive steel that turned them into a decent team who for a Pulis side were quite pleasing on the eye.

At West Brom, he seems to have completely reverted to type with square pegs in round holes all over the place, isolated forwards and unnecessarily negative substitutions.

I've always thought that if given enough time he'd have done to Palace what he did to Stoke - his last act at Palace was to bring in Hangaland. Soon after, he was gone. Sadly for you he's been given the second season he needs in order to mould a team in his image.

DK

You are completely correct. It is obvious this is taking place right now, which is why I gave up on TP after giving him the time to show what he was about. People deluded themselves that Pulis had seen the light and would turn us into a solid Palace style team. Clearly nothing like that is going to take place and Pulis will remain the Pulis of Stoke until the day he retires. We need to get rid now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on October 05, 2015, 10:35:49 PM
 i think it would be the best £ 3.3M we ever spent if we sacked him now.
FFS, that wouldn't even buy a player from League 2.  Peanuts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 05, 2015, 11:40:27 PM
Reminder -This is a topic about Tony Pulis not replacements.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 06, 2015, 01:12:16 AM
There is no dynamic for him moving on other than the mother of all rows with Peace over transfers (not something I would rule out entirely) but I would be surprised if we don't have a half empty ground given another season of this.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 06, 2015, 01:25:31 AM
Quote from: Standaman on October 06, 2015, 01:12:16 AM
There is no dynamic for him moving on other than the mother of all rows with Peace over transfers (not something I would rule out entirely) but I would be surprised if we don't have a half empty ground given another season of this.

Very true but while I would not advocate the chop at the moment, there is another dynamic which we have to take into account here.

With the departure of Alan Irvine, Jeremy now has a vacancy on the books for another gardner.

I think the odds on TP ploughing a lonely furrow may have just dropped slightly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on October 06, 2015, 03:00:19 AM
Quote from: Standaman on October 06, 2015, 01:12:16 AM
There is no dynamic for him moving on other than the mother of all rows with Peace over transfers (not something I would rule out entirely) but I would be surprised if we don't have a half empty ground given another season of this.

That is exactly the momentum that will force out Pulis eventually. If there are no fans the charade with players and management milking the SKY money purely for their own convenience will be exposed starkly. There is more to a football club than pure expediency.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on October 06, 2015, 03:12:17 AM
I must admit that I have changed my mind about TP. My initial view, right bloke at the right time was probably correct, but the last couple of games have changed that I'm afraid.

It really looks like we are in for a turgid, soul destroying  fight to the death again. although its early days. But when you see other, similar type clubs doing well, it really begs the question, why not us?

It all feels so depressingly familiar and I wonder how long the situation will last this time. Hopefully there are three teams worse than us again, but if the cost of survival is utter dross and winning 0-0 every week I'm not so sure our fan base will put up with it in the long term. I sincerely hope this is not the year that TPs record of never being relegated is finally put to rest, but my gut feeling is it could be.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 06, 2015, 07:03:10 AM
The best way of demonstrating against Pulis' style of play is for thousands of fans to either boycott a game altogether or to walk out with say 25 minutes to go.

If there are only around 10,000 left in the ground instead of the usual 25,000 then that action alone would speak volumes.  Peace could not ignore that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 06, 2015, 07:21:10 AM
I can't see Peace sacking him as he still needs to protect the club from relegation and will see Pulis as a safer bet than most to achieve that objective

There will more than likely be a situation whereby Pulis will walk either before or after the January transfer window when it becomes apparent the four or five players he will want don't happen.

and of course Pulis will want to maintain his record of never being relegated .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 06, 2015, 08:19:22 AM
Anyone else feel ashamed and embarrassed the way we are trying to play football, we are quite honestly a laughing stock
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 06, 2015, 08:40:40 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 06, 2015, 08:19:22 AM
Anyone else feel ashamed and embarrassed the way we are trying to play football, we are quite honestly a laughing stock

Yes the Palace game was horrible and let's face it the Watford game was the same and the Southampton game wasn't a whole let better. Games where if we shown a little more intent we could have come away with more. Yes there is the. The risk of conceding but Pulis said the other week he's in sport to win and what's the point if you take no risks at all.

The problem we have is that when he has been a little more attacking or taken risks we've lost (Man City, Chelsea) and I think the only games where defensive changes have fully cost us have been the last two - and both were the same replacement. Keep doing that and he proves he's no plan b. Just a rigid formula.

When is his contract up? If it's next May I can see him going.

FWIW I was a Pulis supporter and as with Irvine I would love it if he turned it around. But it's things like McClean instead of Macca that is stifling us when we attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 06, 2015, 08:46:06 AM
Quote from: GrGr on October 06, 2015, 03:00:19 AM
That is exactly the momentum that will force out Pulis eventually. If there are no fans the charade with players and management milking the SKY money purely for their own convenience will be exposed starkly. There is more to a football club than pure expediency.

I can't see a half empty ground any time soon. There's plenty of people go to matches just to watch EPL football, at the moment there's only two outlets in the West Midlands, us and Villa. We might lose a few season tickets, but they will be taken up by casual supporters. It's only if we got relegated that the crowds would drop off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on October 06, 2015, 08:57:51 AM
I disagree. I've been a baggies supporter for 30+ years.

I'm now completely disillusioned with football. Partly because of what the premier league has become and partly because of our all-out defensive play.

I've stopped paying money to go and see games, rarely watch it on a stream and now my son is at the age where he is ripe for the west Brom brainwashing and I can't bring myself to take him. I don't know whether it's because if I took him he'd be bored within minutes and want to go home or that somebody might shop me for child abuse.

I would much rather see us get relegated and get back to some kind of attacking football. I don't care what league we are in, I just want the entertainment factor back!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 06, 2015, 09:08:53 AM
Quote from: ahandpatsy on October 05, 2015, 03:56:47 PM
I notice that the poll in this thread says that nearly 70% of fans support Pulis.

Was this poll originally carried out several weeks ago and therefore still retains those votes.

It would be interesting to carry out a new clean poll to see if opinions have changed.

I see more and more people refusing to go to away and home matches. 

My opinion of him hasn't changed since last March.  He is and will always be a dinosaur and will suck the life out of the club I love.  Gave up my season ticket this year and stopped going after March.

Sad.

So....any chance of another poll as I can't believe that 70% of punters still would rather have him

My opinion has not changed, I still support Pulis, I'm not enthused by the current football, its poor, BUT, when fans quote Swansea, Southampton, Crystal Palace, those clubs have developed a DNA that runs through the club, the fans are hungry, the clubs are on a roll, when the roll stops, will they find themselves struggling more like us?

I am happy to give Pulis the season and see where we are, if we are still in the Premier League, the season is a success, admittedly, its a boring success, but with the money coming in, its still a success.

If the table stops the same as it is today, three big clubs are heading into the wilderness.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 06, 2015, 09:28:49 AM
I've been away for a week, so haven't seen anything of the past 2 games, although I heard the last third of the commentary on the Palace game, when we didn't have a single attempt on goal despite having gone behind.

Despite Pulis's protestations to the contrary, the half-time substitution of Berahino clearly suggests that he's far more interested in not losing games than he is in winning them. Ultimately, though, as far as football goes, there's nothing worse than employing abjectly negative tactics and yet losing as well. I really can't think of anything that can be said in favour of such an approach. It's a worry that being in 17th place will only encourage him to do more of the same, but with bells on (if they're not on already!).

I'd love to be seeing what would be happening now if Pepe Mel had been given the time, staff and budget that Pulis has had but, alas, we'll never know.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 06, 2015, 09:54:07 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 06, 2015, 08:19:22 AM
Anyone else feel ashamed and embarrassed the way we are trying to play football, we are quite honestly a laughing stock
I despise the football but what I found an even more pathetic sight was watching Myhill constantly time waste on Saturday, every time there was a goal kick he would dart out of his box, 20/30 yards and give one of his defenders a pretend rollicking, he would then trudge back to take the goal kick at snail pace, I thought to myself what the f*** have we become? This pitiful charades started after ten minutes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 06, 2015, 09:58:53 AM
Let's put a nail in this. Pulls is a disease that needs curing. Who knows, it might be self immobilising but if not it might require some external force.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 06, 2015, 10:18:56 AM
While I would never advocate booing my own team chants of attack, attack, attack at every home game would not go unnoticed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 06, 2015, 10:46:42 AM
I'm struggling with the general comments on here compared to the poll at the top. 5 pages of mainly criticism at him but yet 65% want him.

Now I understand the last 2 weeks have been bad and the poll was put up about a day or 2 before the Villa game which led to a big increase in the 'pro pulis' votes but I cant see how there been that much of a swing since the Everton game when we have been getting served this style of football pretty much since his first day here.

Either there's a lot of fans on here currently unhappy who will be back in the pro pulis camp again if we win on Saturday, the vast majority of those on were on this thread after the villa game are in hiding, or there has been a genuine watershed moment climaxing with the Palace debacle and the tide really has turned hugely against him.

Is there any way we can re set the poll as I'm pretty sure those numbers are now redundant?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 06, 2015, 10:50:56 AM
Quote from: slate on October 06, 2015, 08:57:51 AM
I disagree. I've been a baggies supporter for 30+ years.

I'm now completely disillusioned with football. Partly because of what the premier league has become and partly because of our all-out defensive play.

I've stopped paying money to go and see games, rarely watch it on a stream and now my son is at the age where he is ripe for the west Brom brainwashing and I can't bring myself to take him. I don't know whether it's because if I took him he'd be bored within minutes and want to go home or that somebody might shop me for child abuse.

I would much rather see us get relegated and get back to some kind of attacking football. I don't care what league we are in, I just want the entertainment factor back!

You might, but the EPL is now a global product. I am still of the opinion that casual supporters will take up the slack if ST's drop off, while we retain our EPL status.
The last two games have not been great for us, but the entertainment value for a neutral supporter will have been good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 06, 2015, 11:09:13 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on October 06, 2015, 10:50:56 AM
You might, but the EPL is now a global product. I am still of the opinion that casual supporters will take up the slack if ST's drop off, while we retain our EPL status.
The last two games have not been great for us, but the entertainment value for a neutral supporter will have been good.

If I was just a neutral with a bit of interest in football and I could be bothered to leave my sofa for some footy the last place on this Earth I would go is the Hawthorns almost regardless of the opposition. Best place to watch football in the Midlands at the moment is probably the Bescot.

If fans were less loyal and moved between clubs like consumers of any other product how many would be shopping the Albion right now?

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 06, 2015, 11:14:48 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on October 06, 2015, 10:46:42 AM
I'm struggling with the general comments on here compared to the poll at the top. 5 pages of mainly criticism at him but yet 65% want him.

Now I understand the last 2 weeks have been bad and the poll was put up about a day or 2 before the Villa game which led to a big increase in the 'pro pulis' votes but I cant see how there been that much of a swing since the Everton game when we have been getting served this style of football pretty much since his first day here.


The poll was done pre-season, Pulis has been given a pre-season + nearly 10 games, the standard mark given by most on here for any new manager/player IMO, and I have to say it looks like things on the pitch are not heading in the right direction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 06, 2015, 11:16:48 AM
Can the poll be opened for change of mind? i see opposition messages boards saying the same majority in favour on poll yet most writers disgruntled
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 06, 2015, 11:26:53 AM
Quote from: Standaman on October 06, 2015, 11:09:13 AM
If I was just a neutral with a bit of interest in football and I could be bothered to leave my sofa for some footy the last place on this Earth I would go is the Hawthorns almost regardless of the opposition. Best place to watch football in the Midlands at the moment is probably the Bescot.

If fans were less loyal and moved between clubs like consumers of any other product how many would be shopping the Albion right now?

But they don't all go to watch the football though do they? A number go just to see players, look at the amount of camera flashes you get at floodlit games. The Midlands in general are trying to attract more foreign tourists, some of them will want to go to an EPL game to see international players. I could imagine Venesuelans, for example, coming to see Solomon Rondom. The potential for filling the empty seats from sources outside of the Black Country is enormous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on October 06, 2015, 11:39:47 AM
You guys have another thing coming if you think pulis will be going.

He;s stuck here for this season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 06, 2015, 12:10:35 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on October 06, 2015, 11:39:47 AM
You guys have another thing coming if you think pulis will be going.

He;s stuck here for this season


You are correct, he will get his bonus from the 100 million if he keeps us up.
We just have keep watching the paint dry, its best we get blotto prior to games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 06, 2015, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on October 06, 2015, 11:39:47 AM
You guys have another thing coming if you think pulis will be going.

He;s stuck here for this season

Our only hope is that he walks.  :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sammyg on October 06, 2015, 01:16:42 PM
Stick by him for this season, we need to stay up this year , he is most likely to keep us up, there will be some dreadful performances, but we will win games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 06, 2015, 01:29:49 PM
If the majority are happy they will usually mostly be silent. In any opinion poll.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 06, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on October 06, 2015, 12:48:51 PM
Our only hope is that he walks.  :-[

When has ever walked from a job? Even at Palace it was by mutual consent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 06, 2015, 02:45:56 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on October 06, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
When has ever walked from a job? Even at Palace it was by mutual consent.

Come on, we all know 'mutual consent' is just a tarted way of saying either two things when it comes to football managers, sacked or resigned.  Pulis spat his dummy out at Palace and everyone knows it and was told to quietly leave at Stoke.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tony-pulis-crystal-palace-manager-quits-on-the-eve-of-new-premier-league-season-9669942.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tony-pulis-sacking-stopped-stoke-city-players-walking-out-8846627.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 06, 2015, 03:00:36 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on October 06, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
When has ever walked from a job? Even at Palace it was by mutual consent.
So far he is achieving his remit.
We are outside the bottom 3, out of the League Cup (one distraction out of the way) and on target for 38 points, which should provide safety. Why would he walk, he's not paid to entertain, just to keep the money coming in.
Sad but true!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 06, 2015, 03:45:13 PM
On a previous Pulis poll, several forum members wanted to see a new poll, now that we are struggling to entertain and give results.
I'm no mod, but I hope this helps.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 06, 2015, 03:49:18 PM
I have also changed mine from pro to anti.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 06, 2015, 03:54:19 PM
I am still pro-Pulis and my opinion hasn't changed too much.

His football is undoubtedly ugly and I understand frustrations but equally, sacking him mid-way through a season would be foolish and would seriously invite relegation. I said this in the main Pulis thread, if/when we sack him, it should be done after the season ends, doing it during a season would lead to chaos with the disruption it causes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 06, 2015, 03:54:40 PM
i will give him the next 3 games before i vote but its dire stuff
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 06, 2015, 03:55:10 PM
I'm kind of keeping an eye on the situation at Sunderland and kind of hoping Sunderland come in with a request to speak to Pulis.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 06, 2015, 04:14:09 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 06, 2015, 03:54:40 PM
i will give him the next 3 games before i vote but its dire stuff

I've gone anti. As I've explained a number of times since Pulis was appointed, he wouldn't have been ideal choice in the first instance but he was the best man available to do the job required of keeping up us in the short term. I forgave him the negativity and dire football last season in order to get the job of achieving safety completed. I really thought and hoped that given a blank canvas, a clean slate, a level start and the summer and new signings to work with, that this season he would be more positive and attempt to be a bit more attack minded and actually try to win a few games but if anything it is even worse than last year. No excuses for it this season in my opinion. We are going backwards in my eyes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 06, 2015, 04:23:39 PM
Not happy with style of play or treatment of fringe players, has to give sess, poc, gamboa. Gnarby and callum a chance to show what they can do otherwise he can do one
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 06, 2015, 04:27:34 PM
Likable person old Tony is but I do wish he'd change his style of play , did he get lucky with the squad he inherited at palace?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 06, 2015, 04:30:00 PM
I didn't vote in the original poll, I wanted to see how it went!! now  I have seen, it is 100% anti.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 06, 2015, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 06, 2015, 09:08:53 AM
My opinion has not changed, I still support Pulis, I'm not enthused by the current football, its poor, BUT, when fans quote Swansea, Southampton, Crystal Palace, those clubs have developed a DNA that runs through the club, the fans are hungry, the clubs are on a roll, when the roll stops, will they find themselves struggling more like us?

I am happy to give Pulis the season and see where we are, if we are still in the Premier League, the season is a success, admittedly, its a boring success, but with the money coming in, its still a success.

If the table stops the same as it is today, three big clubs are heading into the wilderness.
are you saying we don't have a DNA and that our fans have no hunger for better things unlike saints palace and Swansea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 06, 2015, 04:34:01 PM
I like Pulis as a man but not his football. Bores me to tears.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on October 06, 2015, 05:31:40 PM
Very easy decision, option 1, I was pleased when we appointed Pulis and he did a great job last season. I have faith in our management team and players to get back on track and feel we're in capable hands.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 06, 2015, 05:55:46 PM
If you vote against Pulis, prepare for relegation and 10 years in the lower leagues, if you are happy with that crack on, be a great day out at Scunthorpe! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 06, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 06, 2015, 05:55:46 PM
If you vote against Pulis, prepare for relegation and 10 years in the lower leagues, if you are happy with that crack on, be a great day out at Scunthorpe! ;D

Or if we vote against him we put our opinion into a poll format and this has no bearing on what actually happens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 06, 2015, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 06, 2015, 05:55:46 PM
If you vote against Pulis, prepare for relegation and 10 years in the lower leagues, if you are happy with that crack on, be a great day out at Scunthorpe! ;D

I think the way things are going, a huge number of us will be quite glad to have 10 years of laughs and days out and a bit of entertainment in the lower leagues as opposed to the boring greed league and watching multi millionaire players of average ability that none of us can relate to and clubs that couldn't give two hoots about their fans. I'd rather have my club back, our old fashioned working class game back and sod the Premier League and all it's millions. I don't think I'm on my own with those thoughts. If anyone really wants this tedious, awful, expensive football a minute longer then that is obviously up to them but football is a bigger than that. Just look at the thriving non league scene. Stourbridge are taking about 40 up to Colwyn Bay tonight and I can guarantee that they will have a better laugh, more entertainment and better value for money than they would watching a Premier League game, especially this dross under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 06, 2015, 06:17:52 PM
Quote from: Nathan on October 06, 2015, 06:16:25 PM
I think the way things are going, a huge number of us will be quite glad to have 10 years of laughs and days out and a bit of entertainment in the lower leagues as opposed to the boring greed league and watching multi millionaire players of average ability that none of us can relate to and clubs that couldn't give two hoots about their fans. I'd rather have my club back, our old fashioned working class game back and sod the Premier League and all it's millions. I don't think I'm on my own with those thoughts. If anyone really wants this tedious, awful, expensive football a minute longer then that is obviously up to them but football is a bigger than that. Just look at the thriving non league scene. Stourbridge are taking about 40 up to Colwyn Bay tonight and I can guarantee that they will have a better laugh, more entertainment and better value for money than they would watching a Premier League game, especially this dross under Pulis.

If we carry on the way we are we would be lucky to take 40 to Colwyn Bay!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 06, 2015, 06:20:35 PM
I would rather play in the conference than carry on selling our soul for sky's millions, I was there before them as were the club and we will be there after.....and for the record away days and home games were far better in the early 90's than now, at least the club had respect we are starting to be hated for the rubbish we play and the players we have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 06, 2015, 06:25:03 PM
We're the pride of the Midlands but you wouldn't know it from the wa we play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on October 06, 2015, 07:53:05 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 06, 2015, 04:33:27 PM
are you saying we don't have a DNA and that our fans have no hunger for better things unlike saints palace and Swansea.

Just maybe we need to fix that then? And is Pulis the man to fix it? I would suggest no, he isn't.

That is kind of the problem isn't it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 06, 2015, 08:19:43 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 06, 2015, 06:25:03 PM
We're the pride of the Midlands but you wouldn't know it from the wa we play.

boring, drab, colourless, devoid of excitement and thats just the midlands,
 Pride of the midlands, we know what we are
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on October 06, 2015, 08:35:36 PM
Top top top post, Nathan.
That post should be framed.
I remember standing on the terrace at Gillingham the day Tony Butler was sent off after 3 mins. I loved those days, loved them. We had nothing, nothing, but I was proud to be a Baggie back then. We had some great days then too. And the club felt ours, that we were part of it, that we were trying to achieve something, or trying to get from A to B, even if it was damn difficult

Jesus Christ, now we are the mind-numbingly awful, our pride is gone, our soul is gone, our target is 38 points.

Depressing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on October 06, 2015, 08:37:02 PM
PS - just go Tony. In the name of Christ, just go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 06, 2015, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: BB74 on October 06, 2015, 03:55:10 PM
I'm kind of keeping an eye on the situation at Sunderland and kind of hoping Sunderland come in with a request to speak to Pulis.  ;D

I was thinking exactly the same thing!   If Sunderland were to make an approach for him and JP refused him permission to talk to them, there would be a riot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 06, 2015, 09:54:27 PM
I have witnessed some great games.
The 1960's were both up and down games.
I even suffered in 1968 when I went through some of the FA cup games both home and away (against Liverpool at Man City's ground when we were outplayed but won), eventually winning at Wembley.
The 70's were changing and led onto the 80's.
Nowhere before, were times so dour as they are now.
I have noticed that we needed a base, times have moved on , but have now left us behind in the wilderness.
Tony must realise that there are other ways than just being another bland football club.
Tony ...PLEASE listen to fans who pay your wages and SEE what what is needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 06, 2015, 10:06:49 PM
Still with him for a number of reasons but he needs results AND performances , next 3 very telling games. More than capable of turning this around .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on October 06, 2015, 10:15:36 PM
Oh Jesus...... I give up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 06, 2015, 10:18:05 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 06, 2015, 10:06:49 PM
Still with him for a number of reasons but he needs results AND performances , next 3 very telling games. More than capable of turning this around .
I admire your optimism Dexy and hope we get results but struggle to see how, at stoke he had the players for this sought of situation, I feel we have a soft under belly in this team that may not be capable of getting us through. don't like pulis but the players need to start pulling their weight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 06, 2015, 10:24:05 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on October 06, 2015, 10:15:36 PM
Oh Jesus...... I give up.
Care to explain and add something worthwhile to the debate and forum ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 06, 2015, 10:27:27 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 06, 2015, 10:18:05 PM
I admire your optimism Dexy and hope we get results but struggle to see how, at stoke he had the players for this sought of situation, I feel we have a soft under belly in this team that may not be capable of getting us through. don't like pulis but the players need to start pulling their weight.

Erm, whilst being anti his negative style,
The last 2 seasons do show that when push comes to shove the "old School" can do enough to stop up, yes they have aged another 12months but they now have experience of doing enough to survive. So I don't necessarily buy the soft underbelly thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 06, 2015, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 06, 2015, 10:18:05 PM
I admire your optimism Dexy and hope we get results but struggle to see how, at stoke he had the players for this sought of situation, I feel we have a soft under belly in this team that may not be capable of getting us through. don't like pulis but the players need to start pulling their weight.
Agree with that , I feel the players are getting off lightly when they can't even pass a ball 5 yards as seen on Saturday ! That said Pulis is taking the flak which is probably right at the minute , I will say new teams and methods aren't built in 8 games.
Optimistic ? , no to be honest I'm not mate but I do believe Pulis should be given every chance to turn this around .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 06, 2015, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: Albionic on October 06, 2015, 10:27:27 PM
Erm, whilst being anti his negative style,
The last 2 seasons do show that when push comes to shove the "old School" can do enough to stop up, yes they have aged another 12months but they now have experience of doing enough to survive. So I don't necessarily buy the soft underbelly thing.
Theres got to be a reason we crumble under Clarke , Mel , Irvine and now Pulis.
Trouble is the players bought in  aren't exactly pulling up trees yet either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 06, 2015, 11:22:15 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 06, 2015, 10:18:05 PM
don't like pulis but the players need to start pulling their weight.

Agreed, said as much the other day in relation to James Chester and his apparent 'treatment'.

While selection, tactics and events have not been kind to several players, when called upon it is up to them to perform 'passing' impressions of professional football players.

The fault does not lie entirely with Tony Pulis, although I do agree that he really needs to look at his own input.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on October 06, 2015, 11:22:48 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 06, 2015, 10:36:06 PM
Theres got to be a reason we crumble under Clarke , Mel , Irvine and now Pulis.
Trouble is the players bought in  aren't exactly pulling up trees yet either.

We have, ultimately, been comfortably Prem level since we came up with the core of Brunty, Morrison etc. However, they are about to get too old and our recruitment hasn't been the best for a few years now.

As someone said in another thread, we need to freshen up our DNA, but I am not interested in the DNA that Troglodyte Pulis will introduce. We need a more ambitious and interesting plan than Pulisball to merely "protect JP's investement" and keep kicking the can down the road in the hope someone will come in and buy the club.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on October 06, 2015, 11:47:53 PM
Quote from: paulosull on October 06, 2015, 04:27:34 PM
Likable person old Tony is but I do wish he'd change his style of play , did he get lucky with the squad he inherited at palace?

They were rubbish under Holloway and at the bottom so not lucky, he was good enough to turn them around. He won the manager of the year award voted for by his peers and even made Chamak look a good player (one of his greatest achievements). I am a fence sitter with Pulis too by the way :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 07, 2015, 09:00:28 AM
I'm still trying to figure out the a likeable person bit, he dropped the nut on a player in front of the whole dressing room, now unless beattie cussed out he's family that is bang out of order from him and pure thuggery.

Then you have that horrible cackle and he's general persona but that's just my opinion.

He's by no means a foolish bloke and he does fit into the category of good managers he's just personally not for and in my humble opinion does not represent what sport is about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 07, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on October 07, 2015, 09:00:28 AM
and in my humble opinion does not represent what sport is about.

Sport is about the clash of different personalities, characters and styles. Football would be boring if everyone played the same way. So I strongly disagree with you here because I believe people like him, Mourinho and Big Sam bring a much needed variety to the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 07, 2015, 07:23:33 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on October 07, 2015, 09:00:28 AM
I'm still trying to figure out the a likeable person bit, he dropped the nut on a player in front of the whole dressing room, now unless beattie cussed out he's family that is bang out of order from him and pure thuggery.

Then you have that horrible cackle and he's general persona but that's just my opinion.

He's by no means a foolish bloke and he does fit into the category of good managers he's just personally not for and in my humble opinion does not represent what sport is about.

Don't beat around the bush- he comes across as a bit of a dick pretty much all the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: JockWallace on October 07, 2015, 07:26:10 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 07, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
Sport is about the clash of different personalities, characters and styles. Football would be boring if everyone played the same way. So I strongly disagree with you here because I believe people like him, Mourinho and Big Sam bring a much needed variety to the league.
Pulis is a hard man to fathom ..a marmite type of bloke. He did a lot for the local hospice when at Stoke but then came up with a remarkable ploy to get out of a driving ban going so far as to state the people of Stoke would suffer if he lost his licence and couldn't travel. Fall out with him and you are done..he holds a grudge and Tony Pulis cares about one thing first & foremost...Tony Pulis. He won't go unless their is a big payoff. Sorry Fellas.... :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 07, 2015, 07:46:55 PM
Quote from: JockWallace on October 07, 2015, 07:26:10 PM
Pulis is a hard man to fathom ..a marmite type of bloke. He did a lot for the local hospice when at Stoke but then came up with a remarkable ploy to get out of a driving ban going so far as to state the people of Stoke would suffer if he lost his licence and couldn't travel. Fall out with him and you are done..he holds a grudge and Tony Pulis cares about one thing first & foremost...Tony Pulis. He won't go unless their is a big payoff. Sorry Fellas.... :'(

He raises a lot of money for charity, so the last comment is rubbish!

We would all try and get out of a driving ban so that is also just tosh.

He may be Marmite, that I will accept.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 07, 2015, 07:48:22 PM
Quote from: JockWallace on October 07, 2015, 07:26:10 PM
Pulis is a hard man to fathom ..a marmite type of bloke. He did a lot for the local hospice when at Stoke but then came up with a remarkable ploy to get out of a driving ban going so far as to state the people of Stoke would suffer if he lost his licence and couldn't travel. Fall out with him and you are done..he holds a grudge and Tony Pulis cares about one thing first & foremost...Tony Pulis. He won't go unless their is a big payoff. Sorry Fellas.... :'(

Ah yes that's the other one, the way he has completely bombed out sess, poco and gamboa, no need for it at all and no one can tell me that they can't benefit the team even from the bench.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 07, 2015, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 07, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
Sport is about the clash of different personalities, characters and styles. Football would be boring if everyone played the same way. So I strongly disagree with you here because I believe people like him, Mourinho and Big Sam bring a much needed variety to the league.

Agree about clash of personalities and characters styles okay maybe certain games like when we set up to hit teams on the break I agree mate.

However that Southampton performance was not what sport needs ie sucking the life out of the match by time wasting and looking to defend for the whole game.

Fine margins but the great matches are played end to end for me like Bournemouth v Watford I enjoyed watching the highlights more than our match at palace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on October 07, 2015, 08:49:38 PM
I am a regular attender and originally was pro Pulis to get us out of the mess we were in and from the style he had seemed to adopt at Crystal Palace with wingers. I was hoping to see more of the same. However following the defeat against Man City the promise of entertaining football with attacking intent seems to have been drilled out of the players. I thought the first 55 minutes against Everton were positive but when they scored straight after we went 2-0 up and he bought on Gardner I said to my son (aged 14) we were going to lose and he agreed saying why change a team playing well going forward to a defensive set up. After the Palace game he doesn't want to go again and I am the same but being STH will have to travel the 100 mile round trip to ensure we get our monies worth.  I have been drained of all enthusiasm and no longer look forward to going. Unless he changes the way we play very soon I will be very much in the anti Pulis corner. He has had a transfer window to sort things out and  I really see no improvement from the days of Clarke or Irvime except we have a tighter defence because we don't attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 07, 2015, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: Adamstv on October 07, 2015, 08:49:38 PM
I am a regular attender and originally was pro Pulis to get us out of the mess we were in and from the style he had seemed to adopt at Crystal Palace with wingers. I was hoping to see more of the same. However following the defeat against Man City the promise of entertaining football with attacking intent seems to have been drilled out of the players. I thought the first 55 minutes against Everton were positive but when they scored straight after we went 2-0 up and he bought on Gardner I said to my son (aged 14) we were going to lose and he agreed saying why change a team playing well going forward to a defensive set up. After the Palace game he doesn't want to go again and I am the same but being STH will have to travel the 100 mile round trip to ensure we get our monies worth.  I have been drained of all enthusiasm and no longer look forward to going. Unless he changes the way we play very soon I will be very much in the anti Pulis corner. He has had a transfer window to sort things out and  I really see no improvement from the days of Clarke or Irvime except we have a tighter defence because we don't attack.

I agree; have gone - maybe too soon, though I doubt it - from Pro-Pulis to just semi-depressed.
The Everton game showed his judgement and tactics to be dismal.
I know we 'don't give managers enough time anymore' etc, but when the train is completely de-railed and headed for the cliff, don't you start to panic a bit....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 07, 2015, 09:40:40 PM
We need a performance more than we need anything.
Come on Tony pull your finger out man, we are bored.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 07, 2015, 10:04:08 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 06, 2015, 05:55:46 PM
If you vote against Pulis, prepare for relegation and 10 years in the lower leagues, if you are happy with that crack on, be a great day out at Scunthorpe! ;D

This was very much the mantra of Stoke's pro-Pulis crew who clung to Pulis like a little child's comfort blanket. "Be careful what you wish for. Look what happened to Charlton" There really was a belief among his followers that no one, and I do mean no one but Tony could possibly keep us up.

This feeling reached crisis point when he was sacked (largely because of a 2,000 drop in season ticket sales). Hughes was appointed, we scored more goals, conceded less goals, gained more points, played more football, had more fun, and finished higher than we'd ever have done with Pulis in charge. This was repeated the following year even with an injury list from hell.

Stick or twist, it's probably more down to you guys than you know. Enjoy the gamble or take a good book with you to the match. You'll need it.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 08, 2015, 09:28:47 AM
If I (try) to look at this logically;

we have a manager that kept us up against the odds last season (we were in chaos again) by employing winning at all costs tactics most of the time which meant some poor performances but decent results

that manager removed all accountability for transfers other than himself in the summer meaning all signings were clearly his (unlike predessors who could 'hide' behind not having signed everyone)

that manager spent apparent (we never truly know the full amounts e.g. Ideye) large amounts on some decent signings but neglected the attacking areas, preferring to focus on the defensive side in the main

now results are about the same as last season in the first 8 matches but there's very little improvement in performances (we're still playing 'back to the walls' football)

some of the early signs indicate some of the signings to be poor and the manager has pretty much admitted that (maybe Lambert and Chester in particular)

The questions now:
do you give him until Christmas in the hope results improve
if results improve by Christmas but performances do not then do you stick for this season until trying something else next summer?
if you replace him now, you have (again familiar story) an unbalanced, overly defensive squad built in Pulis' vision so do you replace him with a similar manager if not, could a relative rookie 'idealist' (Dyche) work to get results whilst playing better football with this squad?

Conclusion
No realistic alternative but to stick with Pulis until at least Christmas or even the summer when it's possible to begin building on the defensive foundations with more attacking options.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 08, 2015, 09:54:46 AM
Like to see Nigel Pearson get the job now to be honest,he'd get more out of the players in my opinion. Should have got the job back when pop was sacked.
TP has lost the plot with baffling line ups and substitutions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 08, 2015, 10:52:17 AM
Much as i HATE Pulis football, I feel we have little option but to stick with him this season, however, if i were JP there would be zero cash available January unless it came from clearing out the non-playing members of the squad and if that precipitates TP walking away, so be it.

A good question would be how many bums on seats equates to the cost of "losing" TP?, I would hope JP has an algorithm under construction and will be reviewing weekly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 08, 2015, 10:55:14 AM
Do we give him until Christmas? Lads he's going nowhere. We're on course to stay up. That's all that matters to Jezza. Pulis will not be sacked by this board this season. I imagine he has a job here as long as he wants it. Hard pill to swallow for some but that's the reality.

Also why give credence to DK but not Stoke Lad? Two sides of the coin.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 08, 2015, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on October 07, 2015, 11:58:50 PM
If anyone thinks 'Pulis needs time to sort this out' and that things will improve, simply look to Dreamkillers comments;

The EXACT same problems went on at Stoke for years and he didn't solve them, just continued on as he was, what makes you think he's going to do anything differently here?  ::)
Like many have said TP is like marmite , many Stoke still like him and appreciate the work he did there. Any manager including Pulis should get a good go after saving us last season from the utter mess we were in , if he hadn't been at Stoke and his name was Antonio Pulisio he'd be getting a lot more slack right now.
A lot has to improve I agree and the next 3 games are vital for TP but I'll judge him on what he does with us not listen to Stoke fans with all respect ( beaten them twice hasn't he? ).
Footballs a funny game , ask Southampton and Charlton fans what they think of current flavour of the month Alan Pardew.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 08, 2015, 11:56:24 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 08, 2015, 10:55:14 AM
Also why give credence to DK but not Stoke Lad? Two sides of the coin.
Other Stoke fans have been here and  were posting along similar lines to dreamkiller, whilst stokelad remains a lone voice from a Stoke fan (if indeed that's what he is) perspective. We also all saw Stoke, and their lack of tactical progression, for ourselves for all the years that Pulis was there. I'm sure most of us hated how they played and what they stood for, without needing to rely on Stoke fans' views of it

The signs are very clear that the same is happening to us now....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 08, 2015, 12:14:06 PM
I know a couple of Stokies who feel about Pulis we feel about Megsom - did a great job and love him (still)  but it was time for the club to move on............

If he left tomorrow, he'd leave the club in the premier league and in a better state than when he took over following teh chaos of Irvine. I tend to think it'd be the same in the summer........................
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 08, 2015, 12:32:18 PM
Quote from: darbolina on October 08, 2015, 12:14:06 PM
I know a couple of Stokies who feel about Pulis we feel about Megsom - did a great job and love him (still)  but it was time for the club to move on............

If he left tomorrow, he'd leave the club in the premier league and in a better state than when he took over following teh chaos of Irvine. I tend to think it'd be the same in the summer........................
Are we really that much better off now than we were when Irvine left, maybe a fraction but I can't see a vast improvement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 08, 2015, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on October 08, 2015, 12:32:18 PM
Are we really that much better off now than we were when Irvine left, maybe a fraction but I can't see a vast improvement.

I would argue the club would be much worse off if TP went now versus when AI was here,
 
1. he would take the coaching staff and recruitment dept (cough) with him.
2. there is the squad bereft of progressive midfielders and a number of ostracised (no doubt dis-enchanted) players who must be far from match fit.

In short he would leave a bloody great vacuum both on and off the pitch, hence we have to stick with him (sadly) and hope to get a new "management team" in place with a full pre-season in May 2016.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 08, 2015, 12:44:00 PM
Guys, I've never tried to make out I'm the voice of all Stoke fans. There are many many views of Pulis, all of which can be viewed on the Oatcake where the fan-base remains hugely divided because of his time at the club.

There are the die-hards who won't have a word said about him, there are those like me who still find it dificult to believe we ever actually made it back into the top division but wish we could have done it playing football, and there's probably the majority view that he did a great job for us but had taken us as far as we could go and it was time to move on.

I'm just giving you my perspective. I'm not sure if other Stokies voicing similar views have been banned or discouraged  for doing so, or if there were other reasons. All I'll say is I'll never disrespect your club, nor will I disrespect Pulis as a person. He's done some incredible work for a local (to us) charity, and there are many people who've benefitted as a result of his actions. I also think he came across well in interviews, more so than Hughes if truth be told.

My only gripe is the football we played, and despite his many achievements for the club, I just couldn't stand what I was watching. If all you want is to be Premier League, then you'll probably stay there while he's in charge. But if you want to enjoy the finer things in life, like footballers passing the ball, setting out for a win, not having to spend 70% of every game watching the other team having the ball, and the last 20-minute sphincter clenching on the occasions you've taken a one-goal lead and any intention of attacking has gone out of the window, then Tony's the last man you want in charge.

Seriously, if enough of you want me to stop posting, I'll go. I won't need to be banned. I'm not out to offend anyone. Just giving my opinion as someone who had to spend almost 10 years watching my club achieve great things in the most joyless way possible.

Best wishes.

DK   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 08, 2015, 12:50:44 PM
Lets get one thing straight , there has never been one member from another club banned on this site or discouraged from posting for anything other than bad behaviour. As stated in the forum rules away fans are welcome as long as they follow those rules , really don't know where that myth has come from today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 08, 2015, 12:51:50 PM
Mate for me, your input has been invaluable if all too depressing.  :-\

As to bans for other Stokies, dunno but the Mods on here are very, very good and if bans have been served rest assured they will have been for good reason (thats  got me brownie points sorted for a while, hopefully).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 08, 2015, 12:54:57 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 08, 2015, 12:50:44 PM
Lets get one thing straight , there has never been one member from another club banned on this site or discouraged from posting for anything other than bad behaviour. As stated in the forum rules away fans are welcome as long as they follow those rules , really don't know where that myth has come from today.

I was referring to something another poster had said, but that bit's been edited from his post now. 

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 08, 2015, 12:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 08, 2015, 12:54:57 PM
I was referring to something another poster had said, but that bit's been edited from his post now. 

DK
Yes it has because  it's not correct I assure you .
Welcome to the forum , lets get back on the Pulis topic please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 08, 2015, 03:16:50 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on October 08, 2015, 02:12:56 PM
Stoke fans had a team which they assumed was going to go down at the time, and because of him have become a stable premier league club, difference is we are already a stable premier league club and we always were, but we kept made a couple of (seemingly but not proven) daft appointments as manager.

But my question to the hiararchy would be why hire the guy with probably the worst track transfer record of all of our last 4 managers and allow him to spunk it all on centre backs and a striker who doesn't even get any service? All be needed was a strong manager to get the players in gear again consistently and we'd be fine, but instead we've gone all out on safety and this is the result.

Hiring Pulis probably wasn't the big mistake, the big mistake was giving him full control of transfers when he's irresponsible with it.
With the club up for sale, the most important thing to JP at the time was survival so he sold his soul to the Devil.
Now JP is still here, but he has changed the whole infrastructure around the 'football' side to accommodate Pulis. This makes it very difficult to go back. Pulis' methods will seep down through all of the playing side and it could be years before we see any form of attacking football.
That being said, he will probably leave a solid, stable Premier League club behind when he goes.
As I've said before, we may as well change our name to Stoke 2007.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on October 08, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
It's a funny old game - 125 mins of football ago we were sitting comfortably, since then it's all gone badly wrong.  Strangely like Villa, 2-0 up, lost the game, lost the next, confidence shot.  So what will he do against Sunderland, treat it as a mustn't lose, or go for it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 08, 2015, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on October 08, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
It's a funny old game - 125 mins of football ago we were sitting comfortably, since then it's all gone badly wrong.  Strangely like Villa, 2-0 up, lost the game, lost the next, confidence shot.  So what will he do against Sunderland, treat it as a mustn't lose, or go for it?

I would say this. If we get a point each then it still leaves Sunderland down there with the same point gap.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 08, 2015, 03:55:33 PM
If we play for a draw against Sunderland at home then I give up. Attack attack, attack attack attack! Sunderland's defence is rubbish!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 08, 2015, 03:58:37 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 08, 2015, 12:44:00 PM
Seriously, if enough of you want me to stop posting, I'll go. I won't need to be banned. I'm not out to offend anyone. Just giving my opinion as someone who had to spend almost 10 years watching my club achieve great things in the most joyless way possible.

Best wishes.

DK   

As Dexy has previously said that part of a members post that was edited is 100% incorrect. Stoke fans have been banned (along with members of other clubs) purely for being complete pains in the backside not for having certain views.

Given the mod team itself is split on Tony Pulis then not sure how we would be banning other members regardless of who they support for their views on him so please ignore those type of posts as they are not welcome on here and not true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on October 09, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
Jurgen Klopp is the master of the soundbite and clearly believes in football as an entertainment business. "If the fans want excitement but all you can offer is football chess, then one of you is going to be changing clubs," he once said.

Over to you Tony!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 09, 2015, 09:08:15 AM
Quote from: chippyclarke on October 09, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
Jurgen Klopp is the master of the soundbite and clearly believes in football as an entertainment business. "If the fans want excitement but all you can offer is football chess, then one of you is going to be changing clubs," he once said.

Over to you Tony!

what a great quote from Klopp. It is his first day and so he can afford to be idealistic but it sounds like he udnerstands what fans want............
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 09, 2015, 09:11:20 AM
Interesting point stokie about fans being split down the middle I think it is getting closer now amongst us even after just 8 games quite a few have changed corners.

Failing to score against Sunderland would put him under huge pressure from fans I think although like Jacko said I can see he's tenure dragging on for at least couple years if he doesn't Jack it in, which I still think is likely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 09, 2015, 11:45:25 AM
Quote from: chippyclarke on October 09, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
Jurgen Klopp is the master of the soundbite and clearly believes in football as an entertainment business. "If the fans want excitement but all you can offer is football chess, then one of you is going to be changing clubs," he once said.

Over to you Tony!

Chess no mate that's a a bit too tippy bloody tappy. Checkers, same board different game. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 09, 2015, 12:45:57 PM
Quote from: chippyclarke on October 09, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
Jurgen Klopp is the master of the soundbite and clearly believes in football as an entertainment business. "If the fans want excitement but all you can offer is football chess, then one of you is going to be changing clubs," he once said.
Our current passing style has more in common with tiddlywinks than chess, doesn't it?! One thing seems likely - Albion fans aren't going to be as tolerant of Pulis's style of play as Stoke fans were. The signs are there wherever you look.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 09, 2015, 01:06:25 PM
Quote from: darbolina on October 09, 2015, 09:08:15 AM
what a great quote from Klopp. It is his first day and so he can afford to be idealistic but it sounds like he udnerstands what fans want............
Apart from the bit about changing clubs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 09, 2015, 01:58:07 PM
I watched an interview he did with LFC TV this morning, said something along the lines of:

'The game of football is simple, it’s no different whether it is played in a park or stadium.  What makes it special is the fans and therefore it is my duty to entertain the fans so they can escape from their problems for 90 minutes and have something to look forward to for the next week.  Football isn’t so serious, it is meant to be fun, exciting and entertaining.'



But what about working very very ard?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 09, 2015, 02:03:29 PM
Quote from: costa blanca baggie on October 09, 2015, 01:06:25 PM
Apart from the bit about changing clubs.

I think he meant that the club's would soon change manager's, rather than the supporter's would change club's.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on October 09, 2015, 02:25:11 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on October 09, 2015, 01:58:07 PM
I watched an interview he did with LFC TV this morning, said something along the lines of:

'The game of football is simple, it’s no different whether it is played in a park or stadium.  What makes it special is the fans and therefore it is my duty to entertain the fans so they can escape from their problems for 90 minutes and have something to look forward to for the next week.  Football isn’t so serious, it is meant to be fun, exciting and entertaining.'



But what about working very very ard?

This just makes our current position even more soul destroying doesn't it.

Never mind, we will scrape survival through drawing 0-0 most weeks and we will get the TV money next season. Happy days. :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2015, 02:43:32 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on October 09, 2015, 02:25:11 PM
This just makes our current position even more soul destroying doesn't it.

Never mind, we will scrape survival through drawing 0-0 most weeks and we will get the TV money next season. Happy days. :'(

Unfortunately thats the life Jeremy Peace is happy with and the life he has been happy with for the past few seasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on October 09, 2015, 02:44:26 PM
Whilst I agree with Klopp in principle its abit easier to say it when your manager of Liverpool with alot more millions in the bank to get that calibre of player.

However I do believe that if the club is sold Pulis will not be in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on October 09, 2015, 03:16:29 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2015, 02:43:32 PM
Unfortunately thats the life Jeremy Peace is happy with and the life he has been happy with for the past few seasons.

Doesn't mean that we have to be happy with it though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2015, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on October 09, 2015, 03:16:29 PM
Doesn't mean that we have to be happy with it though.

So whats changed between now and a couple of years ago when you yourself came out of a game and stated "whats the point if all we are trying to do is finish 17th each season" ? may not be the exact words but was along those lines.

So is your issue purely with Pulis or with Peace ?

I'm not happy with it but no more unhappy than I have been over the past few years watching us. The aim of the whole club has been to finish 17th or higher with no interest in hows its achieved hence why anyone threatening that is shipped out, I don't see any of that changing while Peace is in charge. He took his eye off the ball for a spell and allowed us to drift into this mess, harder to climb out of it than it was to drop in.

The league seems to be win a couple, lose a couple and has been for a good while, not just exclusive to us either. Premier League football is dire.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on October 09, 2015, 03:39:44 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2015, 03:23:49 PM
So is your issue purely with Pulis or with Peace ?

Both. The attitude of this club is appalling to be honest and that comes from the top.

As for Pulis, his brand of football is the worst imaginable. I detest the man and everything he stands for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 09, 2015, 03:42:01 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2015, 02:43:32 PM
Unfortunately thats the life Jeremy Peace is happy with and the life he has been happy with for the past few seasons.
If Peace had been happy with achieving the bare minimum he wouldn’t have made two very risky appointments in Irvine and Mel, hardly the safe pair of hands that you suggest he craves.  Irvine was a massive gamble, he appointed him on his coaching credentials and it backfired.  Mel was almost a maverick appointment, a man known for exciting football and getting the best out of young players.  The only appointment in recent times which has stank of a steady safe pair of hands which will achieve the bare minimum and nothing more has been Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on October 09, 2015, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on October 09, 2015, 03:16:29 PM
Doesn't mean that we have to be happy with it though.

Sadly being happy is the last thing to worry about when protecting you investment is you sole priority
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2015, 03:46:52 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on October 09, 2015, 03:42:01 PM
If Peace had been happy with achieving the bare minimum he wouldn’t have made two very risky appointments in Irvine and Mel, hardly the safe pair of hands that you suggest he craves.  Irvine was a massive gamble, he appointed him on his coaching credentials and it backfired.  Mel was almost a maverick appointment, a man known for exciting football and getting the best out of young players.  The only appointment in recent times which has stank of a steady safe pair of hands which will achieve the bare minimum and nothing more has been Pulis.

Which is why I said he took his eye off the ball.

Mel was practically sold to him by someone else who was shifted out of the club and Irvine must work wonders in interviews but both were soon shipped out weren't they ?

Pulis seems to be a more Peace appointment than any other recently with possibly the exception of Hodgson.

So if Pulis is seen as a steady pair of hands perhaps it suggests that Peace has taken more of an input.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on October 09, 2015, 04:21:43 PM
Survival is all we can hope for unfortunately. However it is the way we go about achieving it that is important. Under Di Matteo, Hodgson and initially under Clarke we played some great stuff at times and still managed mid table / top half finishes. I see no reason why we can't continue along these lines. The fans would get some sort of satisfaction at least. The dross being served up at the moment is painful to watch and could see us relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2015, 04:31:49 PM
Problem was we then brought in poor choices along with poor signings which led us to where we are now. Time will tell if Pulis turns it round, no idea but last thing we need to do is go back to the untested, inexperienced stuff that got us here.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 09, 2015, 06:07:23 PM
I think as others have said, Peace was looking to sell in the summer with us in the top league to get him the most money. Based on track record, Pulis would be the most likely to keep us in the league and so he went for him and once Peace had gone, it was somebody elses problem.

Obviously Peace didnt sell (by all accounts for the right reasons too) and so he is left with Pulis and i would  imagine as the season  started, he thought another safe season.

However i dont think this time round its a simple as that, from what i have seen we are probably the joint worst 3rd team in the league with Newcastle, Sunderland are awful but with the right manager will improve, Villa are awful but again i would be surprised if Sherwood stays and they will get a better manager.

I felt before the season started it would be boring (ish) but we would stay up, however i have been shocked how bad we are and i genuinely have concerns that we will stay up, i think Pulis ball has been sussed a lot more nowadays and i really feel we could go this year but we have a squad of players who are better than that.

I dont think JP will do anything at the moment but if we are hovering around the bottom 4 come xmas, the football is the same (rubbish) and more fans get disgruntled, i wouldnt be surprised to see JP act because if a potential sale is in offing and Pulis isnt the man to give us the best chance, JP will get rid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 09, 2015, 06:20:02 PM
but surely the problem is,

If TP has to go, are there the resources available to see a new manager within a month revamp the squad? re-energise the carried over players and instill a style / tactics such that "survival" is achieved.

For us the fans its an easy path to desire / advocate, but for JP its a gamble of huge proportions, maybe upto a £150m gamble. From the little I know of JP he will not a) take that gamble or b) have the resources to finance the gamble.

I think if TP survives the next 3 games (which is almost certain) logic dictates that he is here for the season.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 09, 2015, 06:42:47 PM
The beginning of the end for Pulis at Stoke seemed to have been been triggered by the combined purchase of Crouch and Palacios in 2011.

Crouch was a big name, but he was effectively bought to replace the clubs previous record signing Kenwyne Jones, who himself had just had a good enough season not to warrant being dropped. Palacios, as we discovered fairly quickly, was finished. So basically, we'd spent around £17m on two players, one we didn't need, and the other we couldn't use.

For a club like Stoke, that was just too big a hit, and alarm bells must have started to ring in the boardroom. A year or so later after more money had been chucked at players who never saw the light of day, the owners brought in people over Pulis' head to conduct the transfer business in a more structured way.

Around this time, at the end of 2012, the team simply stopped winning, and turned into a complete rag-tag with more square pegs in round holes than you could shake a stick at. With a month to go, we looked like we were going down, and Pulis' record of never having been relegated - which I think he was sharing with 18 other managers in the division at that time  :'( - was looking in severe trouble. 

Pulis then hit upon the novel idea of using his best players in their best positions, and we pulled away from relegation. But by then, many of the fans had had enough, and around 2,000 of them failed to renew their season tickets. This drop in income, together with the cavalier use of the owners' money on transfers led to Pulis being sacked.

Pulis is a man who will push strongly for what he wants, and what he wants is more quality in the team. An admirable trait usually, but quality costs money, and he won't use that quality in the way it needs to be used. You'll see these players isolated or in the wrong position, or in the fabled cage where there's just no scope for them to show the qualities that made them so attractive to Pulis in the first place. You ever see Michael Owen as a midfield playmaker? Someone did.

Why the history lesson? From what little I know of your owner, he's less likely to put up with Pulis spending or losing his money willy-nilly than Coates was at Stoke. The main difference being that Pulis had built up a level of trust at Stoke because of the way he'd steered us to the Premier League and kept us there. It was therefore a much more difficult decision for Coates to get rid than I imagine it would be for Peace. This is where the parting of the ways will come, and it'll probably happen the first time Peace tells Pulis he has to make do with what he's got. I'll give it two more transfer windows.

Sorry to have droned on!

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 09, 2015, 07:00:04 PM
I think Michael Owen was better option in midfield than the latest TP experiment Victor Anichebe

I think you are right about the dynamic with J Peace though, it will ultimately end in tears, its just a matter of when and as you rightly say JP has neither the wealth or patience of Coates.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 09, 2015, 07:22:44 PM
I don't think peace took he's eye of the ball in regards to the Mel appointment in fact I would say he was the one we needed to embrace and give the tools to give it a go, Just my opinion I know a lot are happy with a steady eddie like pulis but as a fan I can't understand why, the championship was more fun than our situation at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 09, 2015, 07:40:09 PM
As I have said before I don't think there any reason to suspect that Pulis won't get the season at least. If he gets the hump with JP over transfers I don't think it will come to a head until the summer. Providing we are not in danger of being relegated with an obvious alternative available I don't see JP firing him. Nor should he in truth as a club we do need some stability but we will  not move forward while Pulis is here.

I can't wait for Pulis to be gone but I know it won't be anytime soon. Provided he doesn't wreck our finances and Peace won't let that happen I think we could bounce back quite quickly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 12, 2015, 07:40:37 PM
Alright, I've just watched Saturday's game and here's what I made of it.

Looking at the 90 minutes, Crystal Palace were certainly the better side and probably deserved the 3 points.

First, let's get the negatives out of the way:

Morrison and Fletcher were very poor. They're the ones you look towards keeping the ball well and driving the team forward but both of them offered very little in an attacking sense.

Brunt had a torrid time and this match once again (Tadic had the beating of him in the Saints game as well) shows he desperately needs support from his winger when facing a tricky wide player. It's a real pity Lescott decided to leave because he would have been ideal for such matches.

Berahino is a complete waste of space who should be booted out in January. He was just walking around like a twonk and couldn't be bothered to help out Brunt at all. The
 lazy **** doesn't belong anywhere  near the first team.

Pulis deserves blame as well. Gardner should have been a starter. It was no wonder that Zaha was much more quiet in the second half. TP also took too long to move McClean on Brunt's side.

Positives:

Apart from the Zaha v Brunt battle, Albion were very solid defensively. All of Palace's chances came from the left flank (Bar a couple of nervy set pieces). The like of Gayle, Bolasie and Puncheon were kept reasonably quiet up until their first goal.

McAuley was imperious as ever. I bloody love the guy and I'm sure Pulis does as well.
I also thought Dawson did reasonably well in the centre of defence.

Chester finally had a decent game in an Albion shirt. Should give him confidence after a string of poor performances.

Yacob was majestic. It's a real pleasure watching him play. Albion'a best player so far
 this season.

James McClean was my MotM. His work rate, tracking back and general defensive work is second  to none in the league. He also looked very lively and positive in an attacking sense. Should be the first name on the team sheet from now on.

So anyway; overall it was pleasing to hold on for such a long time but desperately disappointing to concede in the last 20 minutes just before McManaman could be brought on to maybe nick all 3 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 12, 2015, 08:42:13 PM
I didn't see the game but it's interesting that you mention that Fletcher played badly, and we also lost.

I think we are too dependent on Fletcher. If his passes aren't accurate enough, we instantly lose possession, and go defensive whilst offering no attack. If he has a good game and passes well, there's a much better chance we win (against Villa for instance, he played very well). The top teams press him and he can't cope with it, but we need another option rather than just Fletcher.

I'd also say that Evans will be important for this as well - against Southampton which was a poor game, Evans was the best passer and kept us possession. Without these two we really struggle, so it's no surprise that we lose when Fletcher has a bad game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 13, 2015, 07:34:08 AM
I agree the problem was we didn't bring in any back up for yacob and Fletcher.

I have been disappointed bar the villa game about how poor Fletcher has been, I'm sure he brings other qualities to the team though in leadership.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 13, 2015, 09:46:59 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on October 13, 2015, 07:34:08 AM
I agree the problem was we didn't bring in any back up for yacob and Fletcher.

I have been disappointed bar the villa game about how poor Fletcher has been, I'm sure he brings other qualities to the team though in leadership.


This is a strange thing and it seems peculiar to the stereotypical English game which Pulisball is the embodiment it seems to forgive misplaced passes and an inability to do the job you are in the team to do provided you can work hard and show the almost mystical "leadership" qualities which basically boils down to shouting at your team mates. 

Fletcher is very much part of the problem but is the club captain and on a long and lucrative contract and Pulis has not given himself any alternative to or cover for the Yacob/Fletcher axis. How our season pans out hinges on the form and fitness of Darren Fletcher and thus far it don't look great. 

I cannot disagree with fpvmtimbdbo's  analysis provided the whole point of our trip to Palace was to grind out a 0:0 draw with the occasional nicked 3 points. The flaws in that tactic are obvious and fortunately Palace got what they deserved from the game as did we.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 13, 2015, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 12, 2015, 07:40:37 PM
Alright, I've just watched Saturday's game and here's what I made of it.

Looking at the 90 minutes, Crystal Palace were certainly the better side and probably deserved the 3 points.

First, let's get the negatives out of the way:

Morrison and Fletcher were very poor. They're the ones you look towards keeping the ball well and driving the team forward but both of them offered very little in an attacking sense.

Brunt had a torrid time and this match once again (Tadic had the beating of him in the Saints game as well) shows he desperately needs support from his winger when facing a tricky wide player. It's a real pity Lescott decided to leave because he would have been ideal for such matches.

Berahino is a complete waste of space who should be booted out in January. He was just walking around like a twonk and couldn't be bothered to help out Brunt at all. The
 lazy **** doesn't belong anywhere  near the first team.

Pulis deserves blame as well. Gardner should have been a starter. It was no wonder that Zaha was much more quiet in the second half. TP also took too long to move McClean on Brunt's side.

Positives:

Apart from the Zaha v Brunt battle, Albion were very solid defensively. All of Palace's chances came from the left flank (Bar a couple of nervy set pieces). The like of Gayle, Bolasie and Puncheon were kept reasonably quiet up until their first goal.

McAuley was imperious as ever. I bloody love the guy and I'm sure Pulis does as well.
I also thought Dawson did reasonably well in the centre of defence.

Chester finally had a decent game in an Albion shirt. Should give him confidence after a string of poor performances.

Yacob was majestic. It's a real pleasure watching him play. Albion'a best player so far
 this season.

James McClean was my MotM. His work rate, tracking back and general defensive work is second  to none in the league. He also looked very lively and positive in an attacking sense. Should be the first name on the team sheet from now on.

So anyway; overall it was pleasing to hold on for such a long time but desperately disappointing to concede in the last 20 minutes just before McManaman could be brought on to maybe nick all 3 points.

Could have sworn both goals were scored while he was on the pitch supposedly covering Brunt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 13, 2015, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 13, 2015, 10:14:53 AM
Could have sworn both goals were scored while he was on the pitch supposedly covering Brunt.

Well the first goal came when Cabaye put in a great cross for Bolasie to head it in. Not much Gardner could do about that.

The second Palace goal did come from Zaha's side but that was in the 89th minute when Albion had basically thrown everyone forward in search of an equalizer. And even then Brunt should never have lunged in to the challenge. Really poor on his part and that basically summed up his afternoon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 13, 2015, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 13, 2015, 11:08:54 AM
Well the first goal came when Cabaye put in a great cross for Bolasie to head it in. Not much Gardner could do about that.

The second Palace goal did come from Zaha's side but that was in the 89th minute when Albion had basically thrown everyone forward in search of an equalizer. And even then Brunt should never have lunged in to the challenge. Really poor on his part and that basically summed up his afternoon.

Thrown everyone forward? We barely registered a shot it anger
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 13, 2015, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 13, 2015, 11:08:54 AM
Well the first goal came when Cabaye put in a great cross for Bolasie to head it in. Not much Gardner could do about that.

The second Palace goal did come from Zaha's side but that was in the 89th minute when Albion had basically thrown everyone forward in search of an equalizer. And even then Brunt should never have lunged in to the challenge. Really poor on his part and that basically summed up his afternoon.

Fair point about the first goal.
 However where was the cover for Brunt for the 2nd goal? Brunt maybe wouldn't have had to lunge in if Gardner was doing what he was brought on for... to provide some help to Brunt which he didn't do. Berahino wasn't offering cover for Brunt agreed but at least he can be a threat going forward unlike Gardner.

I not particularly anti Gardner but he has been very poor this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 13, 2015, 11:48:08 AM
I don't know where to start with the post from Fpvmtimbdbo above,

The one bit however which does stand out for me is,

Apart from the Zaha v Brunt battle, Albion were very solid defensively. All of Palace's chances came from the left flank

thats like when Alan Irvine said "we were aware of the danger Charlie Austin posed and we kept him quiet apart from the hat-trick he scored" (paraphrased).

I have come to the conclusion that this poster (Fpvmtimbdbo) is on a wind up and to be honest its working, because these posts are winding me up!

Another absolute gem is, James McClean was my MotM. His work rate, tracking back and general defensive work is second  to none in the league.  Mclean is a freakin winger, he is supposed to provide cover when required its not his primary bloody role. I s'pose in your world 2 banks of 4 supplemented by wingers in defense and our lazy, good for nothing top scorer tracking back to cover midfield is ideal, ie a 4 - 6 formation !

I give in, you got me, I bit twice ! Sorry !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 13, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
I think we're probably debating fine details rather than the root cause. Isn't the point that regardless of personnel, Pulis is either currently setting us up to be ultra defensive or if he's not - the players aren't listening to him coaching us to attack (more likely the former in my view based on Pulis' history).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 13, 2015, 11:56:45 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 13, 2015, 11:38:02 AM
Fair point about the first goal.
 However where was the cover for Brunt for the 2nd goal? Brunt maybe wouldn't have had to lunge in if Gardner was doing what he was brought on for... to provide some help to Brunt which he didn't do. Berahino wasn't offering cover for Brunt agreed but at least he can be a threat going forward unlike Gardner.

I not particularly anti Gardner but he has been very poor this season.

Gardner was in an advanced position upfield because as I said, Albion were looking for an equalizer. That's what happens when a team chases a goal in the last couple of minutes of a match. Gaps open up and the opposition will inevitably have space to attack into. The goal was completely Brunt's fault.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 13, 2015, 11:57:59 AM
Quote from: darbolina on October 13, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
I think we're probably debating fine details rather than the root cause. Isn't the point that regardless of personnel, Pulis is either currently setting us up to be ultra defensive or if he's not - the players aren't listening to him coaching us to attack (more likely the former in my view based on Pulis' history).


This for me.

People discussing Gardner and mcclean both are hardworkers so its hard to criticize them the point of the matter is they shouldn't have been signed in the first place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 13, 2015, 12:06:15 PM
not knocking them as players, but rather the way they are being deployed.

like asking me to be a ballet dancer, i'd try hard but you know what, i'd be a load of bolshoi's
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 13, 2015, 12:52:03 PM
Quote from: Albionic on October 13, 2015, 12:06:15 PM
not knocking them as players, but rather the way they are being deployed.

like asking me to be a ballet dancer, i'd try hard but you know what, i'd be a load of bolshoi's
Neither are Prem quality in their preferred position, so stand absolutely no chance out of it.
We keep referring to Gardner as a Central Midfielder but would he really get a game in that position for any Prem side? He doesn't do anything well enough.
Pulis has bottled the last 3 games far worse than Irvine ever did (and I'm not a fan of his either) . He needs to grow a pair and start to play some of the attack minded players that he signed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 13, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: Albionic on October 13, 2015, 11:48:08 AM
I don't know where to start with the post from Fpvmtimbdbo above,

The one bit however which does stand out for me is,

Apart from the Zaha v Brunt battle, Albion were very solid defensively. All of Palace's chances came from the left flank

I supported that point by adding that Palace's other key players were well-marshalled by West Brom. Gayle was completely anonymous. Puncheon had a couple of wild shots from long range but otherwise didn't threaten and Bolasie was kept reasonably quiet by first Dawson and then Chester.

 


Quote
Another absolute gem is, James McClean was my MotM. His work rate, tracking back and general defensive work is second  to none in the league.  Mclean is a freakin winger you eejit fool, he is supposed to provide cover when required its not his primary bloody role. I s'pose in your world 2 banks of 4 supplemented by wingers in defense and our lazy, good for nothing top scorer tracking back to cover midfield is ideal, ie a 4 - 6 formation !


When a team sets up defensively and plays for a 0-0 and has less than 30% possession, the defensive ability/performance of a winger is far, far more important than his attacking ability. That's why I heaped praise on McClean. He's brilliant in that respect and thus perfect in Pulis's system.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 13, 2015, 03:18:18 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 13, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
I supported that point by adding that Palace's other key players were well-marshalled by West Brom. Gayle was completely anonymous. Puncheon had a couple of wild shots from long range but otherwise didn't threaten and Bolasie was kept reasonably quiet by first Dawson and then Chester.

 



When a team sets up defensively and plays for a 0-0 and has less than 30% possession, the defensive ability/performance of a winger is far, far more important than his attacking ability. That's why I heaped praise on McClean. He's brilliant in that respect and thus perfect in Pulis's system.

This is either TP himself or one of his staff. The more this bloke posts the more im convinced.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 13, 2015, 03:35:00 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 13, 2015, 03:18:18 PM
This is either TP himself or one of his staff. The more this bloke posts the more im convinced.

glad its not just me !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 13, 2015, 04:07:25 PM
So far this season we have won just two games; Stoke (away) where we could only limp to a 1-0 victory despite the opposition only having 9 men for the majority of the game and Villa (away), a side who have only picked up one solitary point since the 8th August.  Meanwhile we have registered just 6 goals in all competitions (10 games) and have failed to score in 60% of the games we have played in (in all competitions). 

According to Sky Sports we had the 5th highest net outlay this summer in the Premier League
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9976568/how-much-did-your-club-spend-premier-league-transfer-window-net-spend-table

On Saturday we play Sunderland who have picked up just one point on the road all season, fail to win this and surely serious questions must be asked of Tony Pulis, put to one side the survival vs entertainment argument, this is unacceptable and simply not good enough.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 13, 2015, 04:15:33 PM
I think the fans will turn if we don't win as like I said in another thread if we can't beat these then were are people expecting our home wins to come from.

If we show the same levels of attacking intent as we did against Southampton then serious questions need to be asked of pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 13, 2015, 04:38:34 PM
How much money has he spent in relation to other head coaches we have had. we should be getting our monies worth anytime soon
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 13, 2015, 04:44:50 PM
Just heard Micky Quinn say we are his favourite pub team at the moment :) embaressing really because this how we are seen by many
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 13, 2015, 05:31:17 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 13, 2015, 04:38:34 PM
How much money has he spent in relation to other head coaches we have had. we should be getting our monies worth anytime soon

Whilst he has spent far more than any other coach I don't think we've seen signings of the quality he has brought in either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 13, 2015, 05:32:50 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 13, 2015, 04:44:50 PM
Just heard Micky Quinn say we are his favourite pub team at the moment :) embaressing really because this how we are seen by many
He should look a bit closer to home with his beloved Newcastle
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on October 13, 2015, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 13, 2015, 04:44:50 PM
Just heard Micky Quinn say we are his favourite pub team at the moment :) embaressing really because this how we are seen by many
He always used to call Stoke a pub team. Now, let me think, who was their manager when that was the case?
Quite like ol Quinny though, but he's no football expert, just goes with popular opinion. Heard him slagging Roy Hodgson off yesterday before England's win. What more can Uncle Roy do than win ten out of ten qualifiers!
Getting back on topic, we've played 5 home league games so far, & Pulis has openly said he expects all 5 oponents to finish in the top 8 come May. Perhaps now, he'll go for it  lot more in the remaining home games. Time for Mcmanaman to come back in for me!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 13, 2015, 06:26:06 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 13, 2015, 04:44:50 PM
Just heard Micky Quinn say we are his favourite pub team at the moment :) embaressing really because this how we are seen by many
Haven't seen many pub teams with the defensive organisation and clean sheet record we have.
It is though very wearing when every pundit whenever we are discussed says 'you know what you'll get with a Tony Pulis side blah blah' - used to be similar with Roy but not quite this bad. We are no longer West Bromwich Albion, we are now 'a Tony Pulis side'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 13, 2015, 06:29:48 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on October 13, 2015, 04:07:25 PM

...Meanwhile we have registered just 6 goals in all competitions (10 games) and have failed to score in 60% of the games we have played in (in all competitions). 


Would you like to hazard a guess at which club scored the lowest number of goals in all four divisions in 2011/12, and the 2nd lowest number of goals in all four divisions the season after?

A clue: Think red & white stripes.  :-[

DK

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on October 13, 2015, 07:14:28 PM
Mate has heard a rumour that Sherwood is on the brink and that TP is being lined up as his replacement?!

Is that just wishful thinking or shall I get the Champagne on ice?   ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 13, 2015, 09:57:55 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 13, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
I supported that point by adding that Palace's other key players were well-marshalled by West Brom. Gayle was completely anonymous. Puncheon had a couple of wild shots from long range but otherwise didn't threaten and Bolasie was kept reasonably quiet by first Dawson and then Chester.

 



When a team sets up
defensively and plays for a 0-0 and has less than 30% possession, the defensive ability/performance of a winger is far, far more important than his attacking ability. That's why I heaped praise on McClean. He's brilliant in that respect and thus perfect in Pulis's system.
Go back and watch it again and look where McLean is when cabaye crosses the ball . McLean should be in a position to close him down and when the cross comes in Dawsons body position is all wrong compounded by ball watching . Myhill should also do better not commanding enough . I hope McLean does well for us but like many of our players he is just average and in my opinion average will eventually send us down .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 13, 2015, 10:09:59 PM
If TP goes, the rush to take his job will be mind blowing, with the huge budget and patient fan base.  :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 13, 2015, 10:30:01 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 13, 2015, 10:09:59 PM
If TP goes, the rush to take his job will be mind blowing, with the huge budget and patient fan base.  :'(
Yes we can then have Signor Meresca or whatever. Finally recommending who is best?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 13, 2015, 11:47:55 PM
I would laugh myself hoarse if Pulis jumped ship to the Villa but deep down I know I am not that lucky.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 14, 2015, 08:25:42 AM
the more players that Pulis buys the more difficult it becomes a new head reversing the style come the time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 14, 2015, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 14, 2015, 08:25:42 AM
the more players that Pulis buys the more difficult it becomes a new head reversing the style come the time

 :D that made me laugh because it's so true, people keep saying it will take 2 years to turn around funny that I remember people saying the same after the anichebe window fiasco.

Mcclean was the right idea wrong execution and then Macca we was crying out for lively wingers after having none at all for the last couple years, one is being used as  fullback cover and the other isn't trusted to play it's all so stale not seeing a club famous for exciting players not have any or any that play regularly should I say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 14, 2015, 09:18:59 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 13, 2015, 10:09:59 PM
If TP goes, the rush to take his job will be mind blowing, with the huge budget and patient fan base.  :'(
Unfortunately, I don't think the fans have any relevance at all these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on October 14, 2015, 10:09:00 AM
Quote from: Adder on October 13, 2015, 06:26:06 PM
It is though very wearing when every pundit whenever we are discussed says 'you know what you'll get with a Tony Pulis side blah blah' - used to be similar with Roy but not quite this bad. We are no longer West Bromwich Albion, we are now 'a Tony Pulis side'.

It is a bit rich from the pundits who heralded the appointment when we got Tony in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on October 14, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: Standaman on October 13, 2015, 11:47:55 PM
I would laugh myself hoarse if Pulis jumped ship to the Villa but deep down I know I am not that lucky.

Regardless of what we think about Pulis, his record at keeping teams in the prem cannot be argued with - its hardly going to help us if he jumps ship to a rival and improves them! In addition, I don't trust us to get his successor right so for me, he needs to stay until the end of the season at least.

Whether I want him to stay after this season depends on performances - I have always been pro-pulis since appointed, and still am, however I have been disappointed that his signings have made minimal impact on the team and the better performances of his spell last season haven't been built upon. I want to see improvement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 14, 2015, 10:52:41 AM
Quote from: wimbledon baggie on October 13, 2015, 07:14:28 PM
Mate has heard a rumour that Sherwood is on the brink and that TP is being lined up as his replacement?!

Is that just wishful thinking or shall I get the Champagne on ice?   ;D

Carlsberg don't do rumours........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 14, 2015, 10:55:04 AM
Quote from: AshD on October 14, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
Regardless of what we think about Pulis, his record at keeping teams in the prem cannot be argued with - its hardly going to help us if he jumps ship to a rival and improves them! In addition, I don't trust us to get his successor right so for me, he needs to stay until the end of the season at least.

Whether I want him to stay after this season depends on performances - I have always been pro-pulis since appointed, and still am, however I have been disappointed that his signings have made minimal impact on the team and the better performances of his spell last season haven't been built upon. I want to see improvement.

Far too much common sense in that post!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 14, 2015, 11:26:46 AM
Quote from: AshD on October 14, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
Regardless of what we think about Pulis, his record at keeping teams in the prem cannot be argued with - its hardly going to help us if he jumps ship to a rival and improves them! In addition, I don't trust us to get his successor right so for me, he needs to stay until the end of the season at least.

Whether I want him to stay after this season depends on performances - I have always been pro-pulis since appointed, and still am, however I have been disappointed that his signings have made minimal impact on the team and the better performances of his spell last season haven't been built upon. I want to see improvement.

I don't think anyone is disputing his credentials of keeping a team in the premiership however for me to move from the pro to anti has been solely down to his desire to play Pulis ball and totally one dimensional tactics. I would rather be relegated and entertained most games than survive and watch this every week.

I can understand Pulis ball to scrape survival with a bunch of players you have not signed and have limited time to work with. However he has spent a lot of money over the Summer and the style or type of players has not changed. I don't mind playing center backs as full backs and think Brunt and Dawson have done a decent job. But to play our best striker as a winger is ridicules as he can't defend and it negates his goal threat, and we desperately need to threaten the goal more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 14, 2015, 11:36:47 AM
The Pulis to Villa rumour I don't think has any mileage in it whatsoever, but the prospect of a diet of Pulisball and hovering around 13th to 15th in the Premier League forever is a footballing purgatory that I wouldn't wish on anyone other than perhaps the Villa.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 14, 2015, 11:43:07 AM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on October 14, 2015, 11:26:46 AM
I don't think anyone is disputing his credentials of keeping a team in the premiership however for me to move from the pro to anti has been solely down to his desire to play Pulis ball and totally one dimensional tactics. I would rather be relegated and entertained most games than survive and watch this every week.

I can understand Pulis ball to scrape survival with a bunch of players you have not signed and have limited time to work with. However he has spent a lot of money over the Summer and the style or type of players has not changed. I don't mind playing center backs as full backs and think Brunt and Dawson have done a decent job. But to play our best striker as a winger is ridicules as he can't defend and it negates his goal threat, and we desperately need to threaten the goal more.
Hear Hear. Survival is not success, especially if the only way you can achieve it is by playing a cowardly and embarrassing style of football.
I would rather go down and regain some pride and maybe even start to enjoy it again. Hopefully the 2 are not exclusive and Pulis can start to show some attacking intent. We know he's capable as we've seen flashes, but he needs to take a few risks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 14, 2015, 11:43:19 AM
Quote from: Standaman on October 14, 2015, 11:36:47 AM
The Pulis to Villa rumour I don't think has any mileage in it whatsoever, but the prospect of a diet of Pulisball and hovering around 13th to 15th in the Premier League forever is a footballing purgatory that I wouldn't wish on anyone other than perhaps the Villa.

What about just giving him 12 months first. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on October 14, 2015, 11:47:19 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on October 14, 2015, 11:43:07 AM
Hear Hear. Survival is not success, especially if the only way you can achieve it is by playing a cowardly and embarrassing style of football.
I would rather go down and regain some pride and maybe even start to enjoy it again. Hopefully the 2 are not exclusive and Pulis can start to show some attacking intent. We know he's capable as we've seen flashes, but he needs to take a few risks.

Completely agree, hence why I said that I want to see improvement in how we play this season before deciding whether I'd like to see him continue. If our displays on the whole this season are what will continue to be the norm for the rest of the season, my support for Pulis will soon evaporate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on October 14, 2015, 11:52:42 AM
Success is about achieving your goals. If your main goal is staying in the Premier League, then survival is a success. It all depends on what your own agenda is, but while the last 1 and a half performances have been absolutely dreadful, we played some of our best football in the previous 1 and a half games. While I question some of Pulis team selections, in my opinion he has earned the right to do that with the regard he has. I have to say though, even someone like myself who is pro Pulis, finds it unfathomable how McManaman is not the first attacking name on the team sheet. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 14, 2015, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on October 14, 2015, 11:52:42 AM
Success is about achieving your goals. If your main goal is staying in the Premier League, then survival is a success. It all depends on what your own agenda is, but while the last 1 and a half performances have been absolutely dreadful, we played some of our best football in the previous 1 and a half games. While I question some of Pulis team selections, in my opinion he has earned the right to do that with the regard he has. I have to say though, even someone like myself who is pro Pulis, finds it unfathomable how McManaman is not the first attacking name on the team sheet.
You are absolutely right if you look at it from Pulis' perspective, survival is 100% his remit and he will, try to, achieve it at any cost.
I was talking from my own perspective and if survival means watching embarrassingly negative football and doing you best to get out of the cups, then that is not what I deem success.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BewdleyBaggie on October 14, 2015, 12:31:14 PM
Quote from: Albionic on October 13, 2015, 12:06:15 PM
not knocking them as players, but rather the way they are being deployed.

like asking me to be a ballet dancer, i'd try hard but you know what, i'd be a load of bolshoi's
Do you prefer playing a four four Tu,Tu
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on October 14, 2015, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on October 14, 2015, 11:26:46 AM
I don't think anyone is disputing his credentials of keeping a team in the premiership however for me to move from the pro to anti has been solely down to his desire to play Pulis ball and totally one dimensional tactics. I would rather be relegated and entertained most games than survive and watch this every week.

I can understand Pulis ball to scrape survival with a bunch of players you have not signed and have limited time to work with. However he has spent a lot of money over the Summer and the style or type of players has not changed. I don't mind playing center backs as full backs and think Brunt and Dawson have done a decent job. But to play our best striker as a winger is ridicules as he can't defend and it negates his goal threat, and we desperately need to threaten the goal more.

Hopefully he will realise that as he has taken our best striker off in the last 2 games and look what happened to us! Whats more he incredibly stated after the Palace game we lacked an attacking threat ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 14, 2015, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: gerry m on October 14, 2015, 01:40:38 PM
Hopefully he will realise that as he has taken our best striker off in the last 2 games and look what happened to us! Whats more he incredibly stated after the Palace game we lacked an attacking threat ???


The supposed 'best striker' should never have started the match in the first place. He's a lazy twit who the club need to get rid of as soon as possible. Hopefully Spurs come back in January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 14, 2015, 01:59:05 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 14, 2015, 01:49:06 PM

The supposed 'best striker' should never have started the match in the first place. He's a lazy **** who the club need to get rid of as soon as possible. Hopefully Spurs come back in January.


You are Tony Pulis and I claim my 5 base ball caps.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 14, 2015, 02:10:18 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 14, 2015, 01:49:06 PM

The supposed 'best striker' should never have started the match in the first place. He's a lazy **** who the club need to get rid of as soon as possible. Hopefully Spurs come back in January.

Absolute madness, this guy is on the whind up surely, wants to take away our last attacking threat  :D, we wouldn't score more than 10 goals if that was to happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebuckster on October 14, 2015, 03:59:52 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 14, 2015, 01:49:06 PM

The supposed 'best striker' should never have started the match in the first place. He's a lazy **** who the club need to get rid of as soon as possible. Hopefully Spurs come back in January.

Are you for real mate? He is by far the most talented player in the club who is being asked to play in a role where his defensive qualities are examined more than his attacking instincts. He has adapted well to the role and generally has put in a good shift to cover the full backs etc. I don't see the likes of Sturridge, Aguero Costa spending the majority of their time tracking back and filling in to protect a back 6 (our 4 deep defenders plus Yacob and Fletcher). It is no wonder we lack any attacking verve.

Think you have been brainwashed by Pulis - always pick the players that work hard rather than the ones with any natural footballing ability. Might as well pick 11 blokes off this forum - I am sure we would run through brick walls for the Albion but we would get trounced every week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 14, 2015, 04:22:39 PM
Quote from: baggiebuckster on October 14, 2015, 03:59:52 PM
Are you for real mate? He is by far the most talented player in the club

I don't belive that to be true. The likes of McAuley, Yacob and Morrison are far better players; more so for the system TP employs.


Quote from: baggiebuckster on October 14, 2015, 03:59:52 PM
who is being asked to play in a role where his defensive qualities are examined more than his attacking instincts.

And this is where I blame Pulis. Why he continues to start Berahino out wide is beyond me. It's alright in home games against weaker opposition but at away grounds where a lot of defending is to be done, he's clearly not up to the task.

Quote from: baggiebuckster on October 14, 2015, 03:59:52 PM
He has adapted well to the role and generally has put in a good shift to cover the full backs etc.

Disagree strongly. He was woeful against City and then poor once again against Villa and had to be taken off in place of Gardner.  At Selhurst he was downright shocking. Just trudging around lazily putting zero effort in and showing no desire to help out Brunt at all.



Quote from: baggiebuckster on October 14, 2015, 03:59:52 PM

 I am sure we would run through brick walls for the Albion but we would get trounced every week.

Luckily the ones who do run through brick walls for the Albion don't get trounced every week.

Anyway, I've had a enough of him. Albion don't need him. They would have survived last season even if Berahino hadn't scored a single goal.

It's best to sell him and use the money from the sale to buy a box-to-box midfielder and another creative attacking player.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on October 14, 2015, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 14, 2015, 01:49:06 PM

The supposed 'best striker' should never have started the match in the first place. He's a lazy **** who the club need to get rid of as soon as possible. Hopefully Spurs come back in January.

Ok. Not sure wether you are a Seal or Dingle? because you aint Albion pal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 14, 2015, 05:25:51 PM
Quote from: gerry m on October 14, 2015, 04:32:23 PM
Ok. Not sure wether you are a Seal or Dingle? because you aint Albion pal.
Try not to bite this poster has been on a wind up from his very first post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on October 14, 2015, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on October 14, 2015, 05:25:51 PM
Try not to bite this poster has been on a wind up from his very first post.

Very true mate!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on October 14, 2015, 07:07:20 PM
Can we not witch-hunt members on this board, please. Alternative opinions are always welcome and that will not change.

The moderating team will take appropriate action should it be needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on October 15, 2015, 07:34:26 AM
Gone by 14th December - just a wild prediction!  Whats the betting! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 15, 2015, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: BAGGIES4LIFE on October 15, 2015, 07:34:26 AM
Gone by 14th December - just a wild prediction!  Whats the betting!


Not a chance, he will be hear for the rest of the seasom minimum
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 15, 2015, 09:01:36 AM
It seems the bookies think Pulis is going nowhere fast, not looking so clever for dim Tim! At 40/1 though, could be worth a couple of quid on Pulis and the time could be right to snap up the value! Lose at home on Saturday and those odds will be considerably shorter, then if we don't beat either Norwich or Leicester I think Pulis may well be favourite. (Coral prices as of 15/10/2015)

Next Premier League Manager To Leave
Tim Sherwood 6/4 Steve McLaren 2/1 Jose Mourinho 9/2 Ronald Koeman 8/1 No Manager To Leave 14/1 Quique Flores 20/1 Garry Monk 33/1 Slaven Bilic 33/1 Roberto Martinez 33/1 Eddie Howe 33/1 Louis van Gaal 33/1 Tony Pulis 40/1 Alex Neil 40/1 Alan Pardew 40/1 Sam Allardyce 40/1 Claudio Ranieri 50/1 Mauricio Pochettino 50/1 Manuel Pellegrini 50/1 Mark Hughes 50/1 Arsene Wenger 66/1 Jurgen Klopp 66/1
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on October 15, 2015, 12:26:33 PM
Are we going to refresh the vote after we win our next game and then when we lose the next one and so on?

Football fans are fickle. Pulls was a god after the villa game and less than a month down the line the vote has already swung in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on October 15, 2015, 06:34:03 PM
yes but with hindsight we can see how rubbish Villa really are and how bad we are becoming....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on October 15, 2015, 06:40:41 PM
Quote from: wimbledon baggie on October 15, 2015, 06:34:03 PM
yes but with hindsight we can see how rubbish Villa really are and how bad we are becoming....

You can only beat what is in front of you. I have never understood that argument.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 15, 2015, 10:03:24 PM
Quote from: WSBaggie on October 15, 2015, 12:26:33 PM
Are we going to refresh the vote after we win our next game and then when we lose the next one and so on?

Football fans are fickle. Pulls was a god after the villa game and less than a month down the line the vote has already swung in the opposite direction.

I'm not fickle, I just don't like him.  :P

I didn't want him here. I don't want him here. I will never want him here.

He is a dinosaur, and the sooner he becomes extinct the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2015, 10:06:29 PM
He's a competent dinosaur and that's all that matters for now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 15, 2015, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: WSBaggie on October 15, 2015, 12:26:33 PM
Are we going to refresh the vote after we win our next game and then when we lose the next one and so on?

Football fans are fickle. Pulls was a god after the villa game and less than a month down the line the vote has already swung in the opposite direction.

Yep! ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 15, 2015, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: WSBaggie on October 15, 2015, 12:26:33 PM
Are we going to refresh the vote after we win our next game and then when we lose the next one and so on?

Football fans are fickle. Pulls was a god after the villa game and less than a month down the line the vote has already swung in the opposite direction.

Sooner hes gone the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 15, 2015, 10:33:22 PM
Some chap from the Daily Mirror on Talksport "We all know West Brom aren't the best to watch".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 15, 2015, 10:33:22 PM
Some chap from the Daily Mirror on Talksport "We all know West Brom aren't the best to watch".
We haven't been since Odemwingie and Lukaku left in the same summer. Just a statement of fact. Fleeting glimpses under Mel aside.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 16, 2015, 12:19:42 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 15, 2015, 10:33:22 PM
Some chap from the Daily Mirror on Talksport "We all know West Brom aren't the best to watch".

All entitled to an opinion.
I think the Daily Mirror's pretty sh*te and Talk Sport is often boring and repetitive.

Many of our supporter's would suggest that Albion are boring and repetitive too.
Then they spend time on forum's complaining about it, having spent even more time listening to the equivalent of 'formulaic entertainment' on the radio.

Funny old game.
 :).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 16, 2015, 09:29:46 AM
regardless of who says it or why, its pretty hard to argue with the statement,

"We all know West Brom aren't the best to watch".

Well that said I will back track slightly apparently one or two people think workman like, dour & defensive is stimulating.

So not all, almost all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 16, 2015, 09:52:09 AM
Quote from: Albionic on October 16, 2015, 09:29:46 AM
regardless of who says it or why, its pretty hard to argue with the statement,

"We all know West Brom aren't the best to watch".

Well that said I will back track slightly apparently one or two people think workman like, dour & defensive is stimulating.

So not all, almost all.

And I'm not arguing with it  :), I know full well that we are not the best to watch and there is massive room for improvement.

However, I genuinely couldn't give a monkey's chuff what 'some bloke from the Mirror' has to say for himself. Most journo's are not exactly original, and churn out whatever the currrent trend dictates to ensure more air time.

And although I listen to it for a bit of back ground noise, Talk Sport is in my opinion often unadulterated drivel. I pay no more attention to many of the associated pundits 'in depth analysis' than I would a swirling turd as I flush it down the bog.

Just find it ironic that many who bemoan our current system of play as boring, then opt to spend even more of their time heeding an equally boring medium.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 16, 2015, 10:00:24 AM
Most of the coverage from talksport and the Mirror is cliched and trite. It doesn't mean we have to live up to the cliche does it? Particularly when that cliche is "aren't the best to watch" pity the cliche isn't "a good footballing team" Hey ho the joys of Pulisball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 16, 2015, 10:17:05 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on October 16, 2015, 09:52:09 AM
And I'm not arguing with it  :), I know full well that we are not the best to watch and there is massive room for improvement.

However, I genuinely couldn't give a monkey's chuff what 'some bloke from the Mirror' has to say for himself. Most journo's are not exactly original, and churn out whatever the currrent trend dictates to ensure more air time.

And although I listen to it for a bit of back ground noise, Talk Sport is in my opinion often unadulterated drivel. I pay no more attention to many of the associated pundits 'in depth analysis' than I would a swirling turd as I flush it down the bog.

Just find it ironic that many who bemoan our current system of play as boring, then opt to spend even more of their time heeding an equally boring medium.

We agree about the Daily Star of the airwaves then  ;D
Please do not start me on Chris Bloody Evans and Steve Sychophantic Wright, Give me Radio 4 any day or preferably CD's !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 16, 2015, 10:22:24 AM
Quote from: Standaman on October 16, 2015, 10:00:24 AM
Most of the coverage from talksport and the Mirror is cliched and trite. It doesn't mean we have to live up to the cliche does it? Particularly when that cliche is "aren't the best to watch" pity the cliche isn't "a good footballing team" Hey ho the joys of Pulisball.

Standaman, I would contend that we are currently living down to that cliche.
Or that perhaps the term cliche itself is just another generalisation/concept which I have little concern for.

I hope to see an improvement in style, but at the same time I am not going to hold my breath given that we are not going to be known for free flowing attacking football any time soon.

In the mean time, I still don't give a monkey's what they say. I didn't bask in any kind of reflected glory when we were being given plaudits in the Championship under Mowbray, so I will not give a toss what any journo' comes out with now. I went along and enjoyed the attacking play one minute, and then held my head in my hands at the breath taking naivety of our defending in the next. Conversely I was at the Shrine for Everton, the Norwich cup game and Palace away. I could have throttled TP for much of that which I saw.

I will welcome the day when/if Tony Pulis utilises the tools at his disposal. While I do not love Pulisball I do not think that we are as bad generally as many would suggest.

But once again, I do not give a flying f(k what the journo's at the non reflection based Mirror think.
Yes I realise that they would not state what they do if we were playing more expansively, but while everyone is entitled to an opinion, their opinion does not mean anything to me one way or the other.

Stuff the Mirror, stuff Talk Sport.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 16, 2015, 10:30:32 AM
Quote from: Albionic on October 16, 2015, 10:17:05 AM
We agree about the Daily Star of the airwaves then  ;D
Please do not start me on Chris Bloody Evans and Steve Sychophantic Wright, Give me Radio 4 any day or preferably CD's !

We agree absolutely.
As for Evans and Wright, I honestly didn't even realise they were still on the radio  :P.

Just see Evans flash across my T.V screen every now and again as my remote flies through the air under an unknown force of its own allowing me to switch channels  :).

The bloke's about as endearing and entertaining as genital herpes.
He just won't go away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 16, 2015, 10:34:28 AM
I love Talksport personally, Alan Brazil in the morning is a great show and Gough and Durham for drivetime are brilliant.

I know a lot of it is all about getting listeners to phone in but isnt that the point of radio to create debate??

I dont get why people put Talksport down so much

Like them or hate them they are not talking drivel when they say how rubbish we are too watch...they also used to say how good we were too watch under previous managers. Its just stating the obvious...we are awful too watch and its doesnt take a journalism degree to know that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 16, 2015, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 16, 2015, 10:34:28 AM
I love Talksport personally, Alan Brazil in the morning is a great show and Gough and Durham for drivetime are brilliant.

I know a lot of it is all about getting listeners to phone in but isnt that the point of radio to create debate??

I dont get why people put Talksport down so much

Like them or hate them they are not talking drivel when they say how rubbish we are too watch...they also used to say how good we were too watch under previous managers. Its just stating the obvious...we are awful too watch and its doesnt take a journalism degree to know that

Brazil and Parlour do make me laugh, and I think that Colin Murray is more insightful and thought provoking than often given credit for.

However, I don't need a degree in journalism to know that Brazil and Parlour become boring and repetitve when sharing their 'thoughts' on the game in general. Or that much of what is 'exclusively' revealed on the station is nothing more than rehashed rumour and conjecture.

Likewise I do not need a UEFA 'A' coaching badge to see that there is room for improvement at the Albion. I'm just not bothered what journo's of any description have to say about our performances. The evidence of my own eyes forms my opinions, and leaves me blessed with a blind indifference to theirs.
 :).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 16, 2015, 10:53:16 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 16, 2015, 10:34:28 AM
I love Talksport personally, Alan Brazil in the morning is a great show and Gough and Durham for drivetime are brilliant.

I know a lot of it is all about getting listeners to phone in but isnt that the point of radio to create debate??

I dont get why people put Talksport down so much

Like them or hate them they are not talking drivel when they say how rubbish we are too watch...they also used to say how good we were too watch under previous managers. Its just stating the obvious...we are awful too watch and its doesnt take a journalism degree to know that


I agree Tom, Talksport is a good listen
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 16, 2015, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 16, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

I agree Tom, Talksport is a good listen

Must have changed since I last heard it then, admittedly the likes of Savage , Collybore & Micky the man of the people Quinn were presiding over affairs then.
It just seemed geared to being controversial to get white middle aged men to phone (me) in and "ave a go, on the radio"

Thats extremely patronising I know but it is what it seemed like!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 16, 2015, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 16, 2015, 10:34:28 AM
I love Talksport personally, Alan Brazil in the morning is a great show and Gough and Durham for drivetime are brilliant.

I know a lot of it is all about getting listeners to phone in but isnt that the point of radio to create debate??

I dont get why people put Talksport down so much

Like them or hate them they are not talking drivel when they say how rubbish we are too watch...they also used to say how good we were too watch under previous managers. Its just stating the obvious...we are awful too watch and its doesnt take a journalism degree to know that
Me too Tom, love it, and If anyone thinks there is anything better out there then please tell us.
Frankly if they are talking drivel, then they are joined by several on this forum. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 16, 2015, 05:15:35 PM
I used to enjoy Talksport, but have become weary of their elite club coverage. Danny Baker, Saturday morning, followed by Fighting Talk, is unmissable for me. And in order to stay on topic, I'm sure Pulis agrees with me. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 16, 2015, 09:40:23 PM
Moan all you like but it's the only radio station that talks that much about football
Durham is funny as is Brazil, the two guys in the afternoon(hawksbee and Jacobs) by far the best, quite like Colin Murray though
Shoot Danny .. Um re um...Kelly (idiot)
And collymore is just collymore

They just need Noel Gallagher and frank skinner for a full set


On pullis, I've already given up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 17, 2015, 10:11:19 AM
As this thread is about Tony Pulis and not Talksport, here's something to bring it back on-topic:

With just six goals in eight games, the Baggies are the joint-lowest scorers in the Premier League so far this season but the way his forwards are playing doesn’t worry the manager.

“We’re more concerned about not getting down the sides of the pitch and not getting crosses in rather than blaming the strikers,” he said. I don’t think we’ve got enough crosses in in any of the games. We need to get more off the sides of the pitch.”

Record signing, Salomon Rondon, has netted just once so far, and the powerful 6ft 3in Venezuelan forward thrives on crosses he can attack with his head.

“It’s not just the wide players,” said Pulis. “I think its our full-backs as well, you know, getting them a little bit more involved, they’ve got to play their part. We work very hard in training on doing that.”

Source: Express & Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/10/17/tony-pulis-build-from-back-to-front/)

I'm incredulous that Pulis can say this and yet, game after game, he doesn't play our natural wide players who are capable of getting down the flanks to provide crosses. The other point about crosses, of course, is that you have get players into the box to get on the end of them, which is something else we don't do. The issue, therefore, seems to be more with Pulis's team selection and tactics than the players he's picking. It'll be interesting to see to what extent his stated aspiration is reflected in today's line-up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 17, 2015, 10:29:51 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on October 17, 2015, 10:11:19 AM

I'm incredulous that Pulis can say this and yet, game after game, he doesn't play our natural wide players who are capable of getting down the flanks to provide crosses. The other point about crosses, of course, is that you have get players into the box to get on the end of them, which is something else we don't do. The issue, therefore, seems to be more with Pulis's team selection and tactics than the players he's picking. It'll be interesting to see to what extent his stated aspiration is reflected in today's line-up.

The wingers are being deployed as auxiliary full backs and we are sitting so deep they hardly ever get the ball in  threatening positions and are selected mainly on their willingness to track back rather than the damage they can do to the opposition. We don't hold on to the ball long enough for the full backs to press up the the pitch and more often than not the strikers are completely detached from the rest of the team.

 Team selection makes little or no difference to any of that it is Pulis's over whelming negativity that smothers whatever creativity the players have. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 17, 2015, 10:40:36 AM
So who's going to be getting on the end of these crosses? Rondon v 3/4 defenders? Berahino is playing on the wing so arguably our best finisher would be putting crosses in and who would be on the other wing? McClean who can't get past a man? Gardner who isn't a winger? Or will he actually pick players that can beat men and put the ball in - McManaman and Gnabry?

Today's team selection will tell us a lot. I'm starting to get sick of Pulis saying the right things and doing the opposite.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 17, 2015, 11:15:12 AM
Utter madness how he can say that our wide players aren't getting crosses when he doesn't even pick them to play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on October 17, 2015, 11:59:49 AM
You can't defend some of the some comments Pulis makes,no matter how stubborn you are.He must think the majority of Albion fans are clueless about the game,with some of the things he has been saying of late.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 17, 2015, 12:17:24 PM
Perhaps Mr Pulis can explain the decision to take wingers off during games and replace them with Gardner as he has done this season .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zac on October 17, 2015, 12:18:29 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on October 17, 2015, 10:11:19 AM
As this thread is about Tony Pulis and not Talksport, here's something to bring it back on-topic:

With just six goals in eight games, the Baggies are the joint-lowest scorers in the Premier League so far this season but the way his forwards are playing doesn’t worry the manager.

“We’re more concerned about not getting down the sides of the pitch and not getting crosses in rather than blaming the strikers,” he said. I don’t think we’ve got enough crosses in in any of the games. We need to get more off the sides of the pitch.”

Record signing, Salomon Rondon, has netted just once so far, and the powerful 6ft 3in Venezuelan forward thrives on crosses he can attack with his head.

“It’s not just the wide players,” said Pulis. “I think its our full-backs as well, you know, getting them a little bit more involved, they’ve got to play their part. We work very hard in training on doing that.”

Source: Express & Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/10/17/tony-pulis-build-from-back-to-front/)

I'm incredulous that Pulis can say this and yet, game after game, he doesn't play our natural wide players who are capable of getting down the flanks to provide crosses. The other point about crosses, of course, is that you have get players into the box to get on the end of them, which is something else we don't do. The issue, therefore, seems to be more with Pulis's team selection and tactics than the players he's picking. It'll be interesting to see to what extent his stated aspiration is reflected in today's line-up.

It's everything we want to hear but it baffles me how he can come out with that and continue to keep wingers and natural full backs out the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on October 17, 2015, 12:44:33 PM
In my opinion saying this about having wide players as full backs and not getting enough crosses in can be seen as another pop at the hierarchy for not getting what he feels is enough business done in the window. I have a feeling that if pulis had not of walked out on palace he may have walked out on us over what he feels is lack of investment. I think he can't afford another walk out on his cv at this level. I think there may be a parting of the waves come the summer even if he keeps us up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: zac on October 17, 2015, 12:18:29 PM
It's everything we want to hear but it baffles me how he can come out with that and continue to keep wingers and natural full backs out the team.

During his time at Stoke, he rarely used or signed proper full backs. He'd usually have at least one centre half playing as a full back. The idea was that he wasn't too bothered about crosses coming in, so long as he had two or three big lads to clear them and to defend set pieces.

For his last two years at Stoke, his favoured left back was Marc Wilson, a right footed midfield player. And when I say favoured, I mean that after spending a gazillion pounds on turning us into the lowest scoring team in the country, we still didn't have a proper left back at the club.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 02:47:18 PM
During his time at Stoke, he rarely used or signed proper full backs. He'd usually have at least one centre half playing as a full back. The idea was that he wasn't too bothered about crosses coming in, so long as he had two or three big lads to clear them and to defend set pieces.

For his last two years at Stoke, his favoured left back was Marc Wilson, a right footed midfield player. And when I say favoured, I mean that after spending a gazillion pounds on turning us into the lowest scoring team in the country, we still didn't have a proper left back at the club.
How long ago did he leave?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 06:06:48 PM
May 21st 2013. A good day.

 :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 06:09:51 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 06:06:48 PM
May 21st 2013. A good day.

 :D
Plenty of time to have addressed the "problem" ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on October 17, 2015, 06:15:53 PM
Went up today. First time in ages. A truly joyless experience despite the win. Fair play to season ticket holders who pay a lot of money to watch that dross week in week out. The fans around me have largely had enough of the tripe. He may keep us up but how long will the fans accept this football and start to vote with their feet?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 06:09:51 PM
Plenty of time to have addressed the "problem" ?

Who? Pulis or Stoke? Sorry, I'm probably being a bit dim.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 17, 2015, 06:48:51 PM
It's just very boring for me I'll still watch us but from the pub, fair play to those who enjoy it but it's not for me I find it hard to do anything other than a pump of the fist when we score and certainly don't look forward to it all week like I use to.

It is maybe a lose lose situation with our fans because we could play good football and go down then fans will still moan.

3 points closer to 40, glad villa lost again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on October 17, 2015, 06:55:35 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on October 17, 2015, 06:48:51 PM
3 points closer to 40, glad villa lost again.

Think that's going to end up being the title of this year's season review DVD.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 07:05:11 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 06:18:55 PM
Who? Pulis or Stoke? Sorry, I'm probably being a bit dim.
Stoke. You probably have? I do not follow Stoke closely but you are not that far away from us to be fair. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 17, 2015, 07:28:47 PM
I don't believe for one second that these performances are lucky unlike a minority he is a seasoned master at getting games to drag out and leave with points.

Did I just stick up for him  :D.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on October 17, 2015, 07:35:08 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on October 17, 2015, 07:28:47 PM
I don't believe for one second that these performances are lucky unlike a minority he is a seasoned master at getting games to drag out and leave with points.

Did I just stick up for him  :D.

But is the price worth it.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 17, 2015, 07:36:59 PM
I'm sorry but anybody who is happy with these kind of performances has a seriously low opinion of football..and life in general.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 17, 2015, 07:38:07 PM
Quote from: labaggies on October 17, 2015, 07:35:08 PM
But is the price worth it.....

I don't go much mate under him so it's not much out my pocket your best asking a season ticket holder to be honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 07:05:11 PM
Stoke. You probably have? I do not follow Stoke closely but you are not that far away from us to be fair.

As it stands, you're right. But without boring you about our lot, historically, Hughes' sides have always started slowly, and that's definitely been the case with us. We've finished 9th in our last two seasons under Hughes, and we had a really bad time of it injury wise last season else I'm sure we'd have been even higher.

As I've said in a previous post, we play better football now. We score more goals and concede less. Putting it more simply, yes, Hughes very quickly sorted a lot of the problems he'd inherited, and we look a darn sight better for it.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 08:11:22 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 07:43:02 PM
As it stands, you're right. But without boring you about our lot, historically, Hughes' sides have always started slowly, and that's definitely been the case with us. We've finished 9th in our last two seasons under Hughes, and we had a really bad time of it injury wise last season else I'm sure we'd have been even higher.

As I've said in a previous post, we play better football now. We score more goals and concede less. Putting it more simply, yes, Hughes very quickly sorted a lot of the problems he'd inherited, and we look a darn sight better for it.

DK
Ok. Sure you do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 08:22:51 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 08:11:22 PM
Ok. Sure you do.

I'm sensing a hint of sarcasm. Fair enough, but like you've said, you don't follow us closely, so you've got no reason to believe we've changed from the pug ugly team we were two years ago.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 08:22:51 PM
I'm sensing a hint of sarcasm. Fair enough, but like you've said, you don't follow us closely, so you've got no reason to believe we've changed from the pug ugly team we were two years ago.
No I really do not have the time to follow other sides in depth. That is no sarcasm sorry if came over that way.
But your position in the league from what I see are no better than us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 08:47:30 PM
No I really do not have the time to follow other sides in depth. That is no sarcasm sorry if came over that way.
But your position in the league from what I see are no better than us.

My apologies for misinterpreting what you said.

For the benefit of this conversation though, league position isn't really the issue. You've beaten us twice on the bounce now under Pulis, and who knows, you might finish above us. The simple fact is that with Pulis you'll find that even winning isn't all that pleasurable.

If you guaranteed that West Brom would finish above Stoke every year under Pulis, I still wouldn't swap managers. Football should be about the joy of winning and the pain of losing. When even the wins are joyless, there's got to be something wrong.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 17, 2015, 09:41:53 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 08:59:38 PM
My apologies for misinterpreting what you said.

For the benefit of this conversation though, league position isn't really the issue. You've beaten us twice on the bounce now under Pulis, and who knows, you might finish above us. The simple fact is that with Pulis you'll find that even winning isn't all that pleasurable.

If you guaranteed that West Brom would finish above Stoke every year under Pulis, I still wouldn't swap managers. Football should be about the joy of winning and the pain of losing. When even the wins are joyless, there's got to be something wrong.

DK
you've summed up how I feel, we've won and for the first time in 35 yrs I couldn't give a pooh. watching us is more painful than having a tooth pulled without anaesthetic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 09:42:01 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 08:59:38 PM
My apologies for misinterpreting what you said.

For the benefit of this conversation though, league position isn't really the issue. You've beaten us twice on the bounce now under Pulis, and who knows, you might finish above us. The simple fact is that with Pulis you'll find that even winning isn't all that pleasurable.

If you guaranteed that West Brom would finish above Stoke every year under Pulis, I still wouldn't swap managers. Football should be about the joy of winning and the pain of losing. When even the wins are joyless, there's got to be something wrong.

DK
After the people we have had being praised by visiting managers for the "style" of football we play while staring into the "abyss" of relegation season after season. I am OK thank you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 10:09:54 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 09:42:01 PM
After the people we have had being praised by visiting managers for the "style" of football we play while staring into the "abyss" of relegation season after season. I am OK thank you.

In three of your four seasons prior to Pulis joining, you finished in 11th, 10th, and 8th. I'd hardly call that staring into the abyss of relegation season after season. You did that playing good football. You didn't need to sap the enjoyment out of your own fans to do it. It's good that you're OK with things now though.

I'm just pleased another team have come along to take Mickey Quinn's 'pub team' crown off us.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 17, 2015, 10:12:56 PM
needs to drop fletcher
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 10:18:55 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 17, 2015, 09:41:53 PM
you've summed up how I feel, we've won and for the first time in 35 yrs I couldn't give a rubbish. watching us is more painful than having a tooth pulled without anaesthetic.

You deserve better. Your great club (and it is a great club) deserves better. Football's an escape from the rubbish we have to put up with on a daily basis. When even that becomes formulaic and just a matter of reaching 40 points with little entertainment on show, it's time to save your money and watch the match on Ceefax (or whatever it's called these days).

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 17, 2015, 11:16:25 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 10:18:55 PM
You deserve better. Your great club (and it is a great club) deserves better. Football's an escape from the rubbish we have to put up with on a daily basis. When even that becomes formulaic and just a matter of reaching 40 points with little entertainment on show, it's time to save your money and watch the match on Ceefax (or whatever it's called these days).

DK


It's at that point unfortunately, glad your enjoying your newly approach to the game to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 11:45:14 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on October 17, 2015, 11:16:25 PM
It's at that point unfortunately, glad your enjoying your newly approach to the game to.

Cheers, I'd be lying if I said that watching Stoke was some sort of footballing utopia nowadays. We've been fairly abysmal for most of this season, but it's the attitude that's a breath of fresh air. We try to win games, and if we go a goal up, we try to get a second. And then there's Bojan. A player so small Pulis wouldn't have signed him in a million years and so talented he just wouldn't have known what to do with him.

Falling out of love with your football team is horrible. Getting the feeling back after 10 very, very long years is just phenomenal.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 18, 2015, 12:17:03 AM
Watching the difference between Pulis's tactics and other managers' tactics it is noticeable of how other teams support their own players.
Pulis's players "do" their bit and then drop back offering no support for each other and not shouting "man on" when the opposition players are closing in.
No wonder our attacking players are left on their own.

In another rant (may be because of what I said before), too many shots are from outside the box...and where do they go?
Answer "Skywards towards row Z"..... because they have no confidence that they will be supported in the box itself.
(Even when I played it was "get over the ball...keep it hard and LOW!"
Pulis must order Fletcher and other midfielders to support or be dropped.
The defence will be there anyway, if we are playing 4-4-2 (2defence+2midfield) or even 5-3-1-1 (2 defence+ 1 midfield).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 18, 2015, 12:17:31 AM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 17, 2015, 11:45:14 PM
Cheers, I'd be lying if I said that watching Stoke was some sort of footballing utopia nowadays. We've been fairly abysmal for most of this season, but it's the attitude that's a breath of fresh air. We try to win games, and if we go a goal up, we try to get a second. And then there's Bojan. A player so small Pulis wouldn't have signed him in a million years and so talented he just wouldn't have known what to do with him.

Falling out of love with your football team is horrible. Getting the feeling back after 10 very, very long years is just phenomenal.

DK

Good to hear that is.

I hope it doesn't play out here the same as stoke, He could wreck this club for a decade and that would just be horrible.
By wreck I mean playing style and entertainment wise, he will in pulis fashion keep you up, That entered my mind today for first time that he could be hear for years  :(.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 18, 2015, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on October 18, 2015, 12:17:31 AM
Good to hear that is.

I hope it doesn't play out here the same as stoke, He could wreck this club for a decade and that would just be horrible.
By wreck I mean playing style and entertainment wise, he will in pulis fashion keep you up, That entered my mind today for first time that he could be hear for years  :(.

It's only a personal opinion, but I can't see Pulis staying anywhere for too long simply because his football is too toxic.

Stoke was different. He'd been manager for four years or so in his first spell at the club, but then got sacked by the owners for various reasons, not least the binary season where he appeared to play politics on the pitch to disrupt the owners off it to make a takeover by Peter Coates more likely (it's a very long story).

When Coates bought the club back off the Icelandic owners, he turned to Pulis who returned after a year at Plymouth. Backed by a now much richer Coates, Pulis got the club back into the Premier League after 23 years away from the top division.

The club's fans were, and still are extremely grateful to him for doing this, and added to the tremendous relationship he had with Coates for his success on the pitch and his help off it, getting rid of him was never going to be a favoured option. Only when Pulis seemed to completely lose the plot and start to waste the Coates family millions did the parting of the ways become inevitable.

No other clubs owners or fans will ever have that relationship with Pulis again. At Palace, he worked an absolute miracle, but the owners were clever enough to realise that there was a big difference between Pulis organising a team and Pulis being allowed to build a team in his own image.

West Brom never looked to me like they were going to go down last season, but your owner wanted to make sure it didn't happen. I think he's made a big mistake in letting Pulis stay for another season, but once he sees how little gain there's been for the transfer outlay, I can't see Pulis lasting for much longer than the end of this season. Once you add in the fans dislike for his style of football, a parting of the ways sooner rather than later becomes highly likely to me.

He's a firefighter, not a builder. Give him the hose pipe, but once he's put out the fire, don't let him near the bricks.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 18, 2015, 01:05:30 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 18, 2015, 12:17:03 AM
Watching the difference between Pulis's tactics and other managers' tactics it is noticeable of how other teams support their own players.
Pulis's players "do" their bit and then drop back offering no support for each other and not shouting "man on" when the opposition players are closing in.
No wonder our attacking players are left on their own.

In another rant (may be because of what I said before), too many shots are from outside the box...and where do they go?
Answer "Skywards towards row Z"..... because they have no confidence that they will be supported in the box itself.
(Even when I played it was "get over the ball...keep it hard and LOW!"
Pulis must order Fletcher and other midfielders to support or be dropped.
The defence will be there anyway, if we are playing 4-4-2 (2defence+2midfield) or even 5-3-1-1 (2 defence+ 1 midfield).

You obviously haven't heard of 'the cage'. He's not going to order his midfield players to support the attackers because they're already under orders not to leave the cage.

The cage is an area of the pitch that Pulis midfield players are 'encouraged' not to stray out of. It's largely an area of the pitch just in front of the back four. His midfield isn't really a midfield. It's part of his back eight.

He won't drop them for not supporting the attack. He'll drop them for leaving the defence unprotected.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on October 18, 2015, 01:26:48 AM
the football is terrible,today sunderland conceded the ball to us more than any other team will do this season,we managed one shot on target[the goal]we cant even pass to our own players let alone work a move,just let him go the end of the season,berahino off with 20 mins to go for gardner again to protect a 1 goal lead unbelievable
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 18, 2015, 02:01:56 AM
I enjoy reading Dreamkiller's contribution to this board. Thanks.

None of us want to see our club relegated but like so many at the moment I just mainly look to see the result. I read this board less now and it's noticeable that comments on this board are dropping off and all that is due to Pulis and his stagnant and boring approach to the game.

He is clearly setting us up every game to not concede and then sneak a goal to get 3 points. He is going to have to rely on luck like yesterday with the goalkeeping error or playing against 9 men if he is to succeed in keeping us up since presently we rarely have the ability to create that goal opportunity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on October 18, 2015, 02:37:10 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on October 18, 2015, 02:01:56 AM
I enjoy reading Dreamkiller's contribution to this board. Thanks.

None of us want to see our club relegated but like so many at the moment I just mainly look to see the result. I read this board less now and it's noticeable that comments on this board are dropping off and all that is due to Pulis and his stagnant and boring approach to the game.

He is clearly setting us up every game to not concede and then sneak a goal to get 3 points. He is going to have to rely on luck like yesterday with the goalkeeping error or playing against 9 men if he is to succeed in keeping us up since presently we rarely have the ability to create that goal opportunity.

I concur. Thank you for your posts Dreamkiller. I gave up on Pulis when I realized we were going to be dragged through Stoke II, or Stoke the Sequel. Oh joy.

Today, I took a nap instead of watching the game. I'm sure that was a much better decision for my blood pressure than to watch the game, even if we managed to (in typical Pulis fashion) sneak a win. This isn't Albion for me. The only surprise of the day for me was that TP actually played Sess...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 18, 2015, 03:41:36 AM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 18, 2015, 12:54:37 AM
It's only a personal opinion, but I can't see Pulis staying anywhere for too long simply because his football is too toxic.

Stoke was different. He'd been manager for four years or so in his first spell at the club, but then got sacked by the owners for various reasons, not least the binary season where he appeared to play politics on the pitch to disrupt the owners off it to make a takeover by Peter Coates more likely (it's a very long story).

When Coates bought the club back off the Icelandic owners, he turned to Pulis who returned after a year at Plymouth. Backed by a now much richer Coates, Pulis got the club back into the Premier League after 23 years away from the top division.

The club's fans were, and still are extremely grateful to him for doing this, and added to the tremendous relationship he had with Coates for his success on the pitch and his help off it, getting rid of him was never going to be a favoured option. Only when Pulis seemed to completely lose the plot and start to waste the Coates family millions did the parting of the ways become inevitable.

No other clubs owners or fans will ever have that relationship with Pulis again. At Palace, he worked an absolute miracle, but the owners were clever enough to realise that there was a big difference between Pulis organising a team and Pulis being allowed to build a team in his own image.

West Brom never looked to me like they were going to go down last season, but your owner wanted to make sure it didn't happen. I think he's made a big mistake in letting Pulis stay for another season, but once he sees how little gain there's been for the transfer outlay, I can't see Pulis lasting for much longer than the end of this season. Once you add in the fans dislike for his style of football, a parting of the ways sooner rather than later becomes highly likely to me.

He's a firefighter, not a builder. Give him the hose pipe, but once he's put out the fire, don't let him near the bricks.

DK

Here's to hoping.

Yeah thanks for your input it is very insightful if not alarming. I originally thought they will fall out very quickly him and peace and I'm terrified that we could give him more money as well as bring in all he's coaches, I think/hope change is in order this summer and the club give him nothing to spend in January.

Loving the comment about the firefighter and building bricks, that's how I seem to think of pulis to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jharman292 on October 18, 2015, 08:11:55 AM
3 points. Brilliant. Why did i not wake up this morning with that wonderful feeling you get on a Sunday morning when your team have done you proud?

As a man of only 23 years, i must confess to not having seen the darker days people throw in my face whenever i voice my displeasure about our current position. However i refuse to stand by and accept Pulis is bringing better days to The Hawthorns. I was around only a few years ago when we were tearing teams to pieces on the counter attack, it is easy to forget that before the abysmal appointment of Irvine, followed by Pulis's introduction, we had finished in the top 11 places 3 out of the previous 4 seasons.

Why now do so many fans accept that this is the only way to stay in the Premier League. It is embarrassing, i dread any game we are on TV because i am embarrassed about what we have become. I have never wanted anything but good for my club i but i simply am not driving to the game with anywhere near the same level as excitement as previous years. I can not stand that, football games should be an occasion, something that is full of surprises and emotion, yet i feel the same emotion now weather we are winning, drawing or losing. Im simply bored and gutted that this is what my club has become.

Sorry for the depressing post chaps but i simply can't find a single thing to cheer about at present.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 18, 2015, 08:17:08 AM
Quote from: jharman292 on October 18, 2015, 08:11:55 AM
3 points. Brilliant. Why did i not wake up this morning with that wonderful feeling you get on a Sunday morning when your team have done you proud?

As a man of only 23 years, i must confess to not having seen the darker days people throw in my face whenever i voice my displeasure about our current position. However i refuse to stand by and accept Pulis is bringing better days to The Hawthorns. I was around only a few years ago when we were tearing teams to pieces on the counter attack, it is easy to forget that before the abysmal appointment of Irvine, followed by Pulis's introduction, we had finished in the top 11 places 3 out of the previous 4 seasons.

Why now do so many fans accept that this is the only way to stay in the Premier League. It is embarrassing, i dread any game we are on TV because i am embarrassed about what we have become. I have never wanted anything but good for my club i but i simply am not driving to the game with anywhere near the same level as excitement as previous years. I can not stand that, football games should be an occasion, something that is full of surprises and emotion, yet i feel the same emotion now weather we are winning, drawing or losing. Im simply bored and gutted that this is what my club has become.

Sorry for the depressing post chaps but i simply can't find a single thing to cheer about at present.

Never mind chap, only another 68 days and it's Christmas  ;D ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 18, 2015, 09:39:15 AM
I find myself the same, when we score its like a quick fist pump and then back to being bored, strange feeling but glad I'm not the only one.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendo on October 18, 2015, 10:35:02 AM
Quote from: elkiellis on October 18, 2015, 01:26:48 AM
the football is terrible,today sunderland conceded the ball to us more than any other team will do this season,we managed one shot on target[the goal]we cant even pass to our own players let alone work a move,just let him go the end of the season,berahino off with 20 mins to go for gardner again to protect a 1 goal lead unbelievable
      100% AGREE. We are a poor outfit and we could not hit a barn door ( that's if we ever try a shot ) Can,t see why the hell we got LAMBERT he was no good at Liverpool. Then how long have we got to wait for Rondon to become a 12m striker. Every time I ask these things, my posts gets thrown off. We have still got a lot of dead wood to clear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on October 18, 2015, 11:11:55 AM
Prem record so far -

Defeats - Man City, Chelsea, Everton, Palace.

Draws - Watford, Southampton

Wins - Stoke, Villa, Sunderland.

Defeats to sides who are all expected to finish above us, we've yet to lose against any side around us, if we continue that for the season we'll finish mid table/top half.

TONE OUT.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 18, 2015, 12:36:15 PM
I would enjoy Dream Killers views a lot more if they were being posted on any other club's forum :D

Let's be honest those of us he went yesterday were just relieved to get away with three scruffy points against a team that might be the worst team in the league. Sessegnon made a return (if only to disprove rumours that he'd been buried somewhere on the training ground)  but I guess he won't be trusted next week at Norwich particularly   if Morrison is fit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 18, 2015, 01:08:27 PM
Quote from: Standaman on October 18, 2015, 12:36:15 PM
I would enjoy Dream Killers views a lot more if they were being posted on any other club's forum :D

Let's be honest those of us he went yesterday were just relieved to get away with three scruffy points against a team that might be the worst team in the league. Sessegnon made a return (if only to disprove rumours that he'd been buried somewhere on the training ground)  but I guess he won't be trusted next week at Norwich particularly   if Morrison is fit.
Drop Fletcher and put in Sess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on October 18, 2015, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on October 18, 2015, 11:11:55 AM
Prem record so far -

Defeats - Man City, Chelsea, Everton, Palace.

Draws - Watford, Southampton

Wins - Stoke, Villa, Sunderland.

Defeats to sides who are all expected to finish above us, we've yet to lose against any side around us, if we continue that for the season we'll finish mid table/top half.

TONE OUT.

Well said.

Some people want to see fluent attacking football over results, some prefer results over attacking football.

It's all about the results for me and Pulis tends to get them. Each to their own opinion and I suppose that's what makes football a competitive game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 18, 2015, 01:46:00 PM
Quote from: WSBaggie on October 18, 2015, 01:33:26 PM
Well said.

Some people want to see fluent attacking football over results, some prefer results over attacking football.

It's all about the results for me and Pulis tends to get them. Each to their own opinion and I suppose that's what makes football a competitive game.

Results v style is exactly the debate that's raged on the Oatcake for years and is still going on now more than two years after he left. Check out the thread on there about how you guys have taken to Pulisball.

The Oatcake is very lightly moderated in comparison to this forum, and to be honest, when the subject is Pulis, at times it's hate filled. There's just no middle ground at all. He's the ultimate marmite manager.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 18, 2015, 01:52:43 PM
I want to see results but is it not asking too much to see our players be able to pass the ball to each other with quality ?. To be able to cross effectively instead of sticking it behind the goal on more than one occasion ?

Some people might say it's nerves personally I would say it's not good enough .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 18, 2015, 01:53:57 PM
Quote from: Standaman on October 18, 2015, 12:36:15 PM
I would enjoy Dream Killers views a lot more if they were being posted on any other club's forum :D

Let's be honest those of us he went yesterday were just relieved to get away with three scruffy points against a team that might be the worst team in the league. Sessegnon made a return (if only to disprove rumours that he'd been buried somewhere on the training ground)  but I guess he won't be trusted next week at Norwich particularly   if Morrison is fit.

I enjoy my views a lot more now I'm posting them on another club's forum.

Sorry!  8)

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on October 18, 2015, 02:27:06 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on October 18, 2015, 11:11:55 AM
Prem record so far -

Defeats - Man City, Chelsea, Everton, Palace.

Draws - Watford, Southampton

Wins - Stoke, Villa, Sunderland.

Defeats to sides who are all expected to finish above us, we've yet to lose against any side around us, if we continue that for the season we'll finish mid table/top half.

TONE OUT.

Get your point mate, but our three wins have been against a 9 man team and two desperately poor sides.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on October 18, 2015, 02:39:27 PM
I like Pulis. He gets results and we're in a healthy position.

My only gripe was the team he fielded at Norwich in the cup, but if we're well on our way towards safety by Christmas, then hopefully he'll concentrate on the FA cup.

To me, wins at Villa and Stoke in the same season is brilliant.

I love attacking football but if it's going to mean shipping soft goals each week and losing, then I'd rather have this with Pulis.

Any top manager concentrates on sorting the defence out and keeping clean sheets. I think with time we will see a bit more positive play. Sessegnon being brought back into the fold shows to me that he wants more creativity.

It surprises me that having 11 points after 9 games and the Villa being well behind, that people ain't more pleased.

Yesterday was a very difficult game. Big Sams first game and they was always going to be difficult to break down. We won and that was the most important thing. Having not yet won at home especially.

I'm watching our neighbours and they're 4-1 down. I remembered when they want Mic out for this sort of thing. Poor football, no real quality.

Overall I'm happy with the season so far. Maybe in a year or two I'll be thinking the same if the football is still the same, but I think at the moment everything is ok.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 18, 2015, 03:05:18 PM
Quote from: gerry m on October 18, 2015, 02:27:06 PM
Get your point mate, but our three wins have been against a 9 man team and two desperately poor sides.

Exactly. People can twist statistics to suit their own viewpoint but it is a fact that the only teams we have beat are a p**s poor Sunderland and Villa side who have only 1 win in 18 games between them and a scrappy win against Stoke playing with a two man advantage! The Villa match aside, the other two wins were very fortunate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 18, 2015, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: Nathan on October 18, 2015, 03:05:18 PM
Exactly. People can twist statistics to suit their own viewpoint but it is a fact that the only teams we have beat are a p**s poor Sunderland and Villa side who have only 1 win in 18 games between them and a scrappy win against Stoke playing with a two man advantage! The Villa match aside, the other two wins were very fortunate.
I think what he is saying is we've won the games you'd expect to and lose those you'd also expect to lose, in other words results wise we're doing ok.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 18, 2015, 03:15:08 PM
The one thing i dont understand is why people think its one or the other between Pulis ball or all out attacking football, there is a middleground.

I have yet to meet one Albion fan who wants us to go all out gungho attack, because they know we arent good enough for that and that we would get battered.

I have met plenty of Albion fans though who feel that we can do a bit better than the Pulisball s**t that is served up, we have some talented players who it appears are being asked to play the lowest form of the game, suck the life out of it by whatever means possible and hope to sneak a goal.

If we had players like Phil Gilchrist, Darren Moore, Andy Johnson, etc in the premiership then you can understand but the players we have can offer so much more, a win should feel great, even if its a hard fought one but at the moment its so painful to watch there is very little to no satisfaction to be had.

I dont care about fancy passing (though being able to pass a ball 5 yards should be a minimum requirement to be a footballer) i dont care about being the new Arsenal or Barcelona, i just want to see us try and attack and win games from time to time and give me something to get excited about.

I have watched the Derby game just, really enjoyed it, they had a go, i am also looking forward to seeing Norwich and Leicester play more than i am Albion because they both probably have poorer squads than us yet they will try and win the game and probably provide the only excitement, the same as Palace did.

As somebody said above, we are a ceefax team, look at the table and it looks great but actually watching us is torture.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 18, 2015, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 18, 2015, 03:09:58 PM
I think what he is saying is we've won the games you'd expect to and lose those you'd also expect to lose, in other words results wise we're doing ok.

Like gerry m said in his response, I can totally see what point Foster#1 was trying to make. I agree that so far results wise we have got pretty much exactly what was to be expected. What worries me though is that are the only teams we are expected to beat this season going to be Villa, Sunderland, Newcastle and Bournemouth? That is the other side of the statistic!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 18, 2015, 03:19:31 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 18, 2015, 03:09:58 PM
I think what he is saying is we've won the games you'd expect to and lose those you'd also expect to lose, in other words results wise we're doing ok.
but that is no different to any other manager we've recently had, without many of the freedoms he's enjoyed, and in their cases, sometimes we deserved to win. Unlike now where not even a point or a goal but just a pass is based more on luck than judgement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 18, 2015, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on October 18, 2015, 03:15:08 PM
The one thing i dont understand is why people think its one or the other between Pulis ball or all out attacking football, there is a middleground.

I have yet to meet one Albion fan who wants us to go all out gungho attack, because they know we arent good enough for that and that we would get battered.

I have met plenty of Albion fans though who feel that we can do a bit better than the Pulisball s**t that is served up, we have some talented players who it appears are being asked to play the lowest form of the game, suck the life out of it by whatever means possible and hope to sneak a goal.

If we had players like Phil Gilchrist, Darren Moore, Andy Johnson, etc in the premiership then you can understand but the players we have can offer so much more, a win should feel great, even if its a hard fought one but at the moment its so painful to watch there is very little to no satisfaction to be had.

I dont care about fancy passing (though being able to pass a ball 5 yards should be a minimum requirement to be a footballer) i dont care about being the new Arsenal or Barcelona, i just want to see us try and attack and win games from time to time and give me something to get excited about.

I have watched the Derby game just, really enjoyed it, they had a go, i am also looking forward to seeing Norwich and Leicester play more than i am Albion because they both probably have poorer squads than us yet they will try and win the game and probably provide the only excitement, the same as Palace did.

As somebody said above, we are a ceefax team, look at the table and it looks great but actually watching us is torture.

Good post. The same thing Ive been saying for ages. There is a middle ground between Pulis football that will still get results, and perhaps, shock horror, may actually get better results.

I didn't watch the game yesterday. For the first time in years I chose to do something else. I'm glad we won, and I'm also glad, looking at the post match comments, that I didn't watch it. Sums it up for me.

By doing something else with my time I don't get so annoyed about the style of football, but get to enjoy the result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on October 18, 2015, 03:25:04 PM
As I have a friend who is very close to our best player, he has told him that tony pulis doesn't use attacking drills in training... He practises defensive drills for 3 quarters of the training session then the other quarter is spent on a 'match'.

This is evident to see... Man City midfielders aren't psychic.... They practise forward drills... That's how they know where their strikers are moving to, not because they're all Paul McKenna esq
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 18, 2015, 05:18:29 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on October 18, 2015, 03:25:04 PM
As I have a friend who is very close to our best player, he has told him that tony pulis doesn't use attacking drills in training... He practises defensive drills for 3 quarters of the training session then the other quarter is spent on a 'match'.

This is evident to see... Man City midfielders aren't psychic.... They practise forward drills... That's how they know where their strikers are moving to, not because they're all Paul McKenna esq

I would say they don't do much work with a football like close control and passing either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on October 18, 2015, 05:19:29 PM
Would anyone complain if somehow we snook a Europa League place by playing ugly football ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WSBaggie on October 18, 2015, 06:04:37 PM
Quote from: Nathan on October 18, 2015, 03:05:18 PM
Exactly. People can twist statistics to suit their own viewpoint but it is a fact that the only teams we have beat are a p**s poor Sunderland and Villa side who have only 1 win in 18 games between them and a scrappy win against Stoke playing with a two man advantage! The Villa match aside, the other two wins were very fortunate.

Yep congratulations you have just proven your own point. Very easy to manipulate stats to how you want them to look.

We have got 11 points which is the same as the current champions. It's easy to do isn't it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 18, 2015, 06:06:48 PM
Quote from: Mo on October 18, 2015, 05:18:29 PM
I would say they don't do much work with a football like close control and passing either.

They don't. Pre-season is all about fitness. During the season it's all about defensive shape.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on October 18, 2015, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: WSBaggie on October 18, 2015, 06:04:37 PM
Yep congratulations you have just proven your own point. Very easy to manipulate stats to how you want them to look.

We have got 11 points which is the same as the current champions. It's easy to do isn't it?

Yes, but Chelsea will be looking to win games other than against teams in the bottom 3 or 4 as opposed to ourselves who are happy to shut up shop against pretty mediocre opposition and hope for the best. I didn't attempt to manipulate any stats, I just stated facts that the teams we've managed to beat are the two bottom sides and a 9 man Stoke. Hardly inspiring is it. The thing is now the games against the poorer sides are out of the way, the stat about our results being more or less as expected will soon be blown out of the water when we don't beat Norwich or Leicester or is that eventuality to be expected too? In that case I can see nothing other than a dire relegation scrap.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on October 18, 2015, 06:59:56 PM
Quote from: Nathan on October 18, 2015, 06:44:57 PM
Yes, but Chelsea will be looking to win games other than against teams in the bottom 3 or 4 as opposed to ourselves who are happy to shut up shop against pretty mediocre opposition and hope for the best. I didn't attempt to manipulate any stats, I just stated facts that the teams we've managed to beat are the two bottom sides and a 9 man Stoke. Hardly inspiring is it. The thing is now the games against the poorer sides are out of the way, the stat about our results being more or less as expected will soon be blown out of the water when we don't beat Norwich or Leicester or is that eventuality to be expected too? In that case I can see nothing other than a dire relegation scrap.

That is my worry to Nathan. We might not get so lucky against better sides. Our goal yesterday was down to poor goalkeeping rather than being a well worked goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: rajesh-wba on October 18, 2015, 08:24:45 PM
As I've said before we will be fine with Pulis this season and finish anywhere between 10th-14th. He will split the fan base and I can't see him being here next season if Peace is still in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on October 18, 2015, 10:26:23 PM
If we beat Norwich we will have 14 points from 10 games that's almost  1.5 points per game if it stays like that until end of December it will give us 26 points at halfway.then perhaps the players and new Jan players may relax a bit and play some decent football.we could end up with 52 points who knows. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 18, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
Quote from: jharman292 on October 18, 2015, 08:11:55 AM
3 points. Brilliant. Why did i not wake up this morning with that wonderful feeling you get on a Sunday morning when your team have done you proud?

As a man of only 23 years, i must confess to not having seen the darker days people throw in my face whenever i voice my displeasure about our current position. However i refuse to stand by and accept Pulis is bringing better days to The Hawthorns. I was around only a few years ago when we were tearing teams to pieces on the counter attack, it is easy to forget that before the abysmal appointment of Irvine, followed by Pulis's introduction, we had finished in the top 11 places 3 out of the previous 4 seasons.

Why now do so many fans accept that this is the only way to stay in the Premier League. It is embarrassing, i dread any game we are on TV because i am embarrassed about what we have become. I have never wanted anything but good for my club i but i simply am not driving to the game with anywhere near the same level as excitement as previous years. I can not stand that, football games should be an occasion, something that is full of surprises and emotion, yet i feel the same emotion now weather we are winning, drawing or losing. Im simply bored and gutted that this is what my club has become.

Sorry for the depressing post chaps but i simply can't find a single thing to cheer about at present.
Well you had get better expectations for the long haul. The only time we were skimming and winning in the Prem were we had a decent performance from Odewinkle and an on loan World Class Striker in Lukaku. It has always been thus in fact much worse. 1-0 in the SGM era were common.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on October 18, 2015, 10:34:00 PM
the major gripe I have is that surely our passing and probing moves are at an all time low,i cant really accuse pulis of setting up negatively yesterday,berahino,rondon,sess all starting but the passing and guile is just not evident at this really worries me as to what is happening in training especially on moves within the opposition half[granted we rarely see the opposition half but we did plenty yesterday and created virtually nothing]
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on October 18, 2015, 10:40:57 PM
Yesterday was a new low. Not a shot on target save for the fluke goal. Team of slow static players. No room for Mcmanaman or Gnabry but space for Gardner out wide. It was dreadful and embarrassing. We didn't resemble a football team. McClean is useless. Fletcher and Yacob as a pair are too similar, especially when there is no outlets around them. Sess played well out of position. Rondon looks slightly worse than Idaye Brown. Berahino isn't very good in the hole. The whole set-up is a shambles. For now Lambert and Berahnio should be playing as a pair with Berahino stretching teams and Mcmanaman should be on the right with Morrison playing on the left when fit. Gnabry should also get a regular run out in the last third when the opposition are tired. Can't believe we have fluked three 1-0 wins. How much longer is TP going to refer to his miracle performance against a poor villa team (which was decent nothing more).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 19, 2015, 05:52:39 AM
Quote from: baggie82 on October 18, 2015, 10:40:57 PM
Yesterday was a new low. Not a shot on target save for the fluke goal. Team of slow static players. No room for Mcmanaman or Gnabry but space for Gardner out wide. It was dreadful and embarrassing. We didn't resemble a football team. McClean is useless. Fletcher and Yacob as a pair are too similar, especially when there is no outlets around them. Sess played well out of position. Rondon looks slightly worse than Idaye Brown. Berahino isn't very good in the hole. The whole set-up is a shambles. For now Lambert and Berahnio should be playing as a pair with Berahino stretching teams and Mcmanaman should be on the right with Morrison playing on the left when fit. Gnabry should also get a regular run out in the last third when the opposition are tired. Can't believe we have fluked three 1-0 wins. How much longer is TP going to refer to his miracle performance against a poor villa team (which was decent nothing more).
lambert wouldn't stretch a non league defence at the moment, waste of a signing imo. looks unfit and does he really have any desire to do well here after a years holiday at Liverpool.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 19, 2015, 09:44:15 AM
It is not a debate between results and style. Does anyone think that unless we are playing the absolute dross served by Pulis we are incapable of getting the results that we have got this season to date? If we had a coach that worked with the ball a little we might have beaten a the very ordinary teams that are Sunderland Villa and a nine man Stoke. 

I am grateful for Pulis he has taught me what is important about football and it is not the result. I couldn't care less which division we are in any more I know I want to see a team try to play football try to win and if we fail at least we go down guns blazing. If we are outclassed fair enough but to shut up shop in a vain attempt to grind out a 0:0 at Palace was embarrassing we lost without giving ourselves any chance to win.

There are good players at this club I have seen them play well here and elsewhere if they are not working on attacking drills in training then is it any wonder that we are ponderous in possession? The player on the ball is waiting for movement rather than anticipating it and the forward players when they are not being found stop making runs so the whole thing becomes very static.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 19, 2015, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: Standaman on October 19, 2015, 09:44:15 AM
It is not a debate between results and style. Does anyone think that unless we are playing the absolute dross served by Pulis we are incapable of getting the results that we have got this season to date? If we had a coach that worked with the ball a little we might have beaten a the very ordinary teams that are Sunderland Villa and a nine man Stoke. 

I am grateful for Pulis he has taught me what is important about football and it is not the result. I couldn't care less which division we are in any more I know I want to see a team try to play football try to win and if we fail at least we go down guns blazing. If we are outclassed fair enough but to shut up shop in a vain attempt to grind out a 0:0 at Palace was embarrassing we lost without giving ourselves any chance to win.

There are good players at this club I have seen them play well here and elsewhere if they are not working on attacking drills in training then is it any wonder that we are ponderous in possession? The player on the ball is waiting for movement rather than anticipating it and the forward players when they are not being found stop making runs so the whole thing becomes very static.

it seems a lot of supporters on here would rather us get relegated and lose Pulis, rather than stay up and keep Pulis.  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 19, 2015, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on October 19, 2015, 01:48:42 PM
it seems a lot of supporters on here would rather us get relegated and lose Pulis, rather than stay up and keep Pulis.  :-X

I would possibly count myself amongst them. I want us to win every week and I would absolutely love to see us do well with Pulis in charge.

If you offered me relegation this season and a new manager or 2 more years of Pulis with guaranteed survival but no change in his approach then as much as it pains me I would probably take the 1st option. Not because I want to see Pulis fail but because I can't take much more watching what he has turned us in to.

However, all of the above is irrelevant as the options are not Pulis with his brand and survival or no Pulis and relegation. As has been stated time after time by numerous people including myself there is a middle ground which I think is not only realistic but actually should be the bare minimum of our ambitions. Unfortunately with Pulis you get a manager whose crippling fear of going toe to toe with another manager hinders him to a point where like our team at present it stops him being as successful as he should be.

We've had numerous failed transfer windows but not gone down. Managers like Clarke, Mel and Irvine who according to some on were nailed on take us down but between the 3 of them with 'help' from people like Appleton, Kiely and Downing have all kept us up or out of the relegation zone. Yet Pulis and his god awful style are presented by some as the only way we can possibly survive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 19, 2015, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on October 19, 2015, 01:48:42 PM
it seems a lot of supporters on here would rather us get relegated and lose Pulis, rather than stay up and keep Pulis.  :-X

Some West Brom fans said that for years, so at least they are being consistent :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 19, 2015, 02:35:06 PM
Tony Pulis is a pragmatic manager trying to put in place a defensively robust team using the resources he has available, he has played players that he knows will follow his methods pretty well exactly, yes these tend to be players with less flair, because players with more flair tend to want to follow their own instinct and demonstrate the abilities.

McClean and Sess give perfect examples of what Pulis is about, the less talented McClean gets maximum game time because he follows his instructions exactly, on Saturday, Sess also mostly followed TP's instructions, but also showed in a tight game, why TP is wary of playing Sess.

I enjoyed Sess's flair but, what did he actually achieve, it was actually a McClean move and pass to Brunt which led to the goal, fact!

I'm sure when flair players demonstrate they will defend adequately, they will get game time.

I'm still supportive of TP
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 19, 2015, 02:36:16 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on October 19, 2015, 01:48:42 PM
it seems a lot of supporters on here would rather us get relegated and lose Pulis, rather than stay up and keep Pulis.  :-X

I never thought I would get to that point but I am a nearly there. I instinctively support my team. I am stuck with a season ticket at least for the time being and am extremely reluctant to give up on a club I have supported for the better part of 50 years and there have been some truly horrible seasons during that time.

Pulis is playing the same percentage football that blighted this club under the likes of Saunders and Gould only he probably has better players available to him which makes it even more miserable to watch because it absolutely does not have to be this way.

Here is the bind though if he keeps on grinding out the points we stay in the Division then things don't change. Unless he fails we could keep playing Pulisball for a long time. My only hope then is a bust up with Peace on transfers or a take over but I fear neither will happen anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 19, 2015, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on October 19, 2015, 01:48:42 PM
it seems a lot of supporters on here would rather us get relegated and lose Pulis, rather than stay up and keep Pulis.  :-X

I'm at a point now where I'm not going to drive up from Cornwall to watch us. Why would I go to that much effort and spend all that money to watch maybe 1 or 2 attacks, a shot and maybe a goal?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 19, 2015, 03:39:58 PM
There's a balance I think Roy had it pretty much nailed between performance and results although at times home games were dull, We was all hoping pulis would do the same like he did at palace unfortunately it looks as though results will prioritize and the air of fun will be sucked out of games see stoke to achieve around 13th - 15th place finish.

I don't think it's worth it for me personally I think the bloke has a specialty and that's saving sinking ships, We have met he's wishes on many different levels to achieve safety for he's time in charge here.

If new owners came in would they want someone a tad more adventurous ?, maybe so and that might be were pulis goes or if he falls out with jezza.

The other thing I wanted to touch upon is how familiar opposition supporters reactions are to our games it reminds me of every time I left stoke while he was there, they feel aggrieved and totally drunk off with he's tactics, I leave our games thinking another point or 3 but totally bored I then find the next premiership game of football to watch that day to get a dosage of entertainment that just isn't on our menu.

I wonder how low crowds will go ? I'm unsure I think if we are playing premiership football fans will go regardless but I can see on boards and speaking to folks that there starting to get put off understandably. Especially away games and next season when it comes to renewals we might see a small drop.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 19, 2015, 03:57:12 PM
Second lowest number of goals above Watford in all English divisions yet 13th in the table, Thats what pulis is about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 19, 2015, 04:03:48 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on October 19, 2015, 03:39:58 PM

I wonder how low crowds will go ? I'm unsure I think if we are playing premiership football fans will go regardless but I can see on boards and speaking to folks that there starting to get put off understandably. Especially away games and next season when it comes to renewals we might see a small drop.

Where I sit it is mainly season ticket holders and long standing ones at that generally speaking if someone can't make it a friend or family member takes up the seat. For the first league game in 3 years with a 3 o'clock kick off there were empty seats. Either people who have already paid can't be bothered to go or they can't give their ticket away.

I am seriously thinking about not renewing and that is something I never thought I would do. If I was still travelling from Sussex to games I probably wouldn't bother.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 19, 2015, 04:52:37 PM
Let's hope when Villa sack Sherwood they make a move for Pulis, we get shot of him and they are lumbered with him and his antifootball.....The ultimate win win scenario.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 19, 2015, 06:47:10 PM
Interesting stat, all 11 points gained so far we havent conceded a goal
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 19, 2015, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 19, 2015, 06:47:10 PM
Interesting stat, all 11 points gained so far we havent conceded a goal
not sure if its right but I heard we've never won a game if the opposition has scored under pulis.no wonder we need clean sheets.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on October 19, 2015, 07:59:34 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 19, 2015, 07:55:51 PM
not sure if its right but I heard we've never won a game if the opposition has scored under pulis.no wonder we need clean sheets.

Just looked and its true in the league, unbelievable stat! Only team to have scored against us in all comps under him are Blues.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 19, 2015, 10:30:17 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on October 19, 2015, 04:52:37 PM
Let's hope when Villa sack Sherwood they make a move for Pulis, we get shot of him and they are lumbered with him and his antifootball.....The ultimate win win scenario.

Lets hope it's in April then and we're safe and they need to win every game to stay up.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 19, 2015, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on October 19, 2015, 04:52:37 PM
Let's hope when Villa sack Sherwood they make a move for Pulis, we get shot of him and they are lumbered with him and his antifootball.....The ultimate win win scenario.

Villa staying up easily and us possibly going down, sounds great.   ??? ??? ???

We won at the weekend by the way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 19, 2015, 10:58:08 PM
Yeah I agree that would be a bad move, summer is the time for change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on October 19, 2015, 11:04:04 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 19, 2015, 02:35:06 PM
Tony Pulis is a pragmatic manager trying to put in place a defensively robust team using the resources he has available, he has played players that he knows will follow his methods pretty well exactly, yes these tend to be players with less flair, because players with more flair tend to want to follow their own instinct and demonstrate the abilities.

McClean and Sess give perfect examples of what Pulis is about, the less talented McClean gets maximum game time because he follows his instructions exactly, on Saturday, Sess also mostly followed TP's instructions, but also showed in a tight game, why TP is wary of playing Sess.

I enjoyed Sess's flair but, what did he actually achieve, it was actually a McClean move and pass to Brunt which led to the goal, fact!

I'm sure when flair players demonstrate they will defend adequately, they will get game time.

I'm still supportive of TP
what sess achieved for me personally was the only decent bit of football I got to see for my 27 quid,im not supportive of tp
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: petethebaggie on October 20, 2015, 08:03:20 PM
Ok opinions are like ***e holes, everyone's got one so here's mine;

I would give him time.  He will probably keep us up. The money coming in next season may open up another chance for a Peace to sell, if we are in the Prem. Assuming Peace sells well this could open up further investment we will see. Also I hope that the playing style will improve under Tony, in fairness he has talked about poor passing and attacking play in several post match conferences, the inclusion of Sessignon last week showed some intent. He didn't get the midfield players he needed over the summer, he can have another crack in January. The team has been this way for years, patience is needed, it's a matter of opinion on whether you think Tony will make it happen, either way it will not happen over night.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on October 20, 2015, 08:49:25 PM
We did seem to be coming out of our shell against Villa and then Everton till the last half an hour horror show - that seems to have send us "back to Old Kent Road".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on October 20, 2015, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: petethebaggie on October 20, 2015, 08:03:20 PM
Ok opinions are like ***e holes, everyone's got one so here's mine;

I would give him time.  He will probably keep us up. The money coming in next season may open up another chance for a Peace to sell, if we are in the Prem. Assuming Peace sells well this could open up further investment we will see. Also I hope that the playing style will improve under Tony, in fairness he has talked about poor passing and attacking play in several post match conferences, the inclusion of Sessignon last week showed some intent. He didn't get the midfield players he needed over the summer, he can have another crack in January. The team has been this way for years, patience is needed, it's a matter of opinion on whether you think Tony will make it happen, either way it will not happen over night.
A sensible approach  to the others be very careful what you wish for - I know and it was not nice in the old third division.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 20, 2015, 09:00:28 PM
Quote from: Do I not like Wolves on October 20, 2015, 08:52:14 PM
A sensible approach  to the others be very careful what you wish for - I know and it was not nice in the old third division.

I disagree. I loved the old division one and two. Proper football, real passion and no kids with face paints and women dishing out the sandwiches at half time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 20, 2015, 09:18:17 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 20, 2015, 09:00:28 PM
I disagree. I loved the old division one and two. Proper football, real passion and no kids with face paints and women dishing out the sandwiches at half time.

Absolutely

going to a game was a pleasure not a chore back in those days and you felt a connection with the players on the pitch, you don't get that these days and far too many day trippers out too watch a Prem game not support the club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on October 20, 2015, 09:30:21 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 20, 2015, 09:18:17 PM
Absolutely

going to a game was a pleasure not a chore back in those days and you felt a connection with the players on the pitch, you don't get that these days and far too many day trippers out too watch a Prem game not support the club

Give me the championship playing attractive football under the likes of Mowbray any day over this!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 20, 2015, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on October 20, 2015, 09:30:21 PM
Give me the championship playing attractive football under the likes of Mowbray any day over this!

Mate, the football under brian little and alan buckley was better than this!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on October 20, 2015, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 20, 2015, 09:34:06 PM
Mate, the football under brian little and alan buckley was better than this!!!

My son's a steward and says sometimes he can't even be bothered going to work up there at the moment even though he gets 40 pound a match it's that depressing to watch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 20, 2015, 09:40:22 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 20, 2015, 09:34:06 PM
Mate, the football under brian little and alan buckley was better than this!!!

Whilst I don't like the football under Pulis there is no way on earth I would agree with the above.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 20, 2015, 09:45:22 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on October 20, 2015, 09:30:21 PM
Give me the championship playing attractive football under the likes of Mowbray any day over this!
It's really annoying when people make out that Mowbray was some kind of 'entertainer'. I wish people would harp on about Di Matteo or Clarke before they did with Mowbray as those two were streets ahead in style and substance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 20, 2015, 09:47:11 PM
What made destroying those teams so great was the wonder of how far we could go with it, it turned out that as far as we could go was 20th in the Premier League. A more pragmatic approach from RDM got us comfortably promoted though he had by far the best team in the division. That approach was taking us down until the Hodgson masterstroke. Roy was even more pragmatic but was blessed with Peter Odemwingie, a man who unlike anything we'd had before except maybe Koumas on a really good day, could win you a Premier League game out of nothing. Hodgson and Ashworth left and it all crumbled. A Lukaku inspired season under Clarke had started to atrophy by December, we limped to 8th. Cardiff away under Clarke was as bad as I've felt in this division, or so I thought until Irvine was appointed after the miracle not so much of Mel but of awful awful Norwich City meant we survived again. AI where to begin, so badly out of his depth but talked up as a progressive football man, a top coach. The football was dire. His teams played in front of the opposition then conceded a goal then huffed and puffed. We were certs for the drop. The man who replaced him, has never been relegated, we were safe by mid April, 40% win rate or something. The football is a bit dull, but playing in this division is what we aspired to under Mowbray, and playing in it we are, when it is awash with wealth and greed, that we only see a miniscule amount of. For the future of West Bromwich Albion it is imperative to stay up this season. This new TV deal is what will finally break the Championship. It's why Middlesbrough have bet the house on getting promoted. I made a sarcastic comment about Swansea City last night and someone tried to ridicule me for it because "they have surpassed us" and they "are great to watch". Well IF they lose to Aston Villa on Saturday they will be 6 without a win. The teams outside big 5 and Spurs and Everton are much of a muchness. 3 of them HAVE to go down. I'd bet the same house on any of them staying up with Pulis at the helm.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on October 20, 2015, 09:48:08 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 20, 2015, 09:45:22 PM
It's really annoying when people make out that Mowbray was some kind of 'entertainer'. I wish people would harp on about Di Matteo or Clarke before they did with Mowbray as those two were streets ahead in style and substance.

The football was a delight to watch yes we were poor defensively but we scored  Atleast two almost every game in the championship. Not to mention we won the league and were robbed in a fa cup semi final under him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 20, 2015, 09:53:02 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 20, 2015, 09:45:22 PM
It's really annoying when people make out that Mowbray was some kind of 'entertainer'. I wish people would harp on about Di Matteo or Clarke before they did with Mowbray as those two were streets ahead in style and substance.

Crazy talk, Clarke especially, imagine Mowbray's side with Odemwingie, Lukaku and Long, as opposed to Bednar, Moore and Miller.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on October 20, 2015, 09:55:28 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 20, 2015, 09:53:02 PM
Crazy talk, Clarke especially, imagine Mowbray's side with Odemwingie, Lukaku and Long, as opposed to Bednar, Moore and Miller.

Not to mention Valero who Mowbray signed who since leaving us has  gone on to be a top top player.Sadly he was a case of right player wrong time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 20, 2015, 09:57:04 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on October 20, 2015, 09:48:08 PM
The football was a delight to watch yes we were poor defensively but we scored  Atleast two almost every game in the championship. Not to mention we won the league and were robbed in a fa cup semi final under him.
Then it's not a delight to watch. Defending is a massive part of the game and you can't fully appreciate football without it. I'm not saying Pulis is the answer but as I said, Di Matteo destroyed that division with similar flair and far better defending, whilst Clarke (in his first season) had us proving it in the Premiership with fast-paced counter attacking football. Mowbray was often undone vs defensive teams and left with egg on his face due to going gung-ho much like Ian Holloway. He's currently in league 1 which is probably his level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 20, 2015, 10:02:53 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 20, 2015, 09:53:02 PM
Crazy talk, Clarke especially, imagine Mowbray's side with Odemwingie, Lukaku and Long, as opposed to Bednar, Moore and Miller.
When Tony Mowbray was in charge he bought in a massive number of flops and spent big money on fee's. Odemwingie and Lukaku cost pennies, whereas Luke Moore was £3.5 million (more expensive than both) and on £20k p/w in the championship.
He signed Valero (as expensive as Long with inflation/new Premiership money added) who was a flop because Mowbray played him in the wrong position and didn't utilise his strengths which is bad management.

He also spent £3 million on Zuiverloon (flop), £2.5 million on Barnett (flop) and more money on the likes of Kim (flop), Pele (flop) and countless others who we made massive losses on due to fees.

Some of his signings were good, but to make out he had a bad hand is unfair - he could have been given more than Pulis and he still couldn't defend a set piece. He was then given lots of money at Boro and failed. Seriously, if he was such a good manager he wouldn't be in league one would he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 20, 2015, 10:09:00 PM
Do people still not understand how our recruitment policy used to work?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 20, 2015, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on October 20, 2015, 10:09:00 PM
Do people still not understand how our recruitment policy used to work?

Apparently not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on October 20, 2015, 10:15:16 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 20, 2015, 09:47:11 PM
What made destroying those teams so great was the wonder of how far we could go with it, it turned out that as far as we could go was 20th in the Premier League. A more pragmatic approach from RDM got us comfortably promoted though he had by far the best team in the division. That approach was taking us down until the Hodgson masterstroke. Roy was even more pragmatic but was blessed with Peter Odemwingie, a man who unlike anything we'd had before except maybe Koumas on a really good day, could win you a Premier League game out of nothing. Hodgson and Ashworth left and it all crumbled. A Lukaku inspired season under Clarke had started to atrophy by December, we limped to 8th. Cardiff away under Clarke was as bad as I've felt in this division, or so I thought until Irvine was appointed after the miracle not so much of Mel but of awful awful Norwich City meant we survived again. AI where to begin, so badly out of his depth but talked up as a progressive football man, a top coach. The football was dire. His teams played in front of the opposition then conceded a goal then huffed and puffed. We were certs for the drop. The man who replaced him, has never been relegated, we were safe by mid April, 40% win rate or something. The football is a bit dull, but playing in this division is what we aspired to under Mowbray, and playing in it we are, when it is awash with wealth and greed, that we only see a miniscule amount of. For the future of West Bromwich Albion it is imperative to stay up this season. This new TV deal is what will finally break the Championship. It's why Middlesbrough have bet the house on getting promoted. I made a sarcastic comment about Swansea City last night and someone tried to ridicule me for it because "they have surpassed us" and they "are great to watch". Well IF they lose to Aston Villa on Saturday they will be 6 without a win. The teams outside big 5 and Spurs and Everton are much of a muchness. 3 of them HAVE to go down. I'd bet the same house on any of them staying up with Pulis at the helm.

182 pages to at last get a sensible post
After 9 games we are level with Chelsea and 2 points behind Liverpool and Everton
Yes it certainly isn't pretty but I reckon TP did a fraction of the transfer business he wanted in the last window and has left us in 'no mans land' at present but this will be addressed over the next 2 Windows
This squad has needed 'managing' properly for a long while now and at last it's starting to happen
Anyone thinking TP will get sacked anytime soon is living in cloud cuckoo land
Stop wanting him to fail and get behind the team
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 20, 2015, 10:18:33 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 20, 2015, 09:34:06 PM
Mate, the football under brian little and alan buckley was better than this!!!
That is utter saftness  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 20, 2015, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 20, 2015, 09:34:06 PM
Mate, the football under brian little and alan buckley was better than this!!!

It really wasn't. :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 20, 2015, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on October 20, 2015, 10:09:00 PM
Do people still not understand how our recruitment policy used to work?
Yes I do, it failed and it was actively encouraged by Mowbray who didn't want wage inequality because he "saw it fail" at Ipswich. Well, as soon as Mowbray left, Peace lifted the wage barriers and suddenly we swapped yo-yo'ing for 6 consecutive years for the premier league. It wasn't like Mowbray was begging to sign higher paid players, if anything that's what Peace wanted to do but Mowbray was dead against it. This free'd up money for transfer fees which were generally wasted by Mowbray.

And it wasn't like we were the lowest spenders in the league either, with both Hull and Stoke being bigger under-dogs than us who both went on to survive, whilst smaller clubs like Wigan also did it comfortably.

What I said originally is that Mowbray wasn't the kind of amazing entertainer that many remember him for, losing at home every week in the Premiership was not entertaining, nor was failing to score many goals in the Premiership. I did like his philosophy but it didn't work, and as I said, Di Matteo, Clarke and Pepe Mel all did better in terms of entertainment and results. Pepe Mel had scraps to work with and less time, and he still kept us up with a fairly weak team in the end, with everything against him. As I said, Mowbray has been a proven failure since leaving us, whereas the likes of Clarke, Di Matteo and Mel have all had decent careers, it doesn't happen by fluke, it happens by being better managers than he is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 20, 2015, 10:51:10 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 20, 2015, 10:31:04 PM
It really wasn't. :-X
Quote from: kc56wba on October 20, 2015, 10:18:33 PM
That is utter saftness  :o

I was laughing my head off when i posted it  ;D

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on October 20, 2015, 10:57:13 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 20, 2015, 10:47:13 PM
Yes I do, it failed and it was actively encouraged by Mowbray who didn't want wage inequality because he "saw it fail" at Ipswich. Well, as soon as Mowbray left, Peace lifted the wage barriers and suddenly we swapped yo-yo'ing for 6 consecutive years for the premier league. It wasn't like Mowbray was begging to sign higher paid players, if anything that's what Peace wanted to do but Mowbray was dead against it. This free'd up money for transfer fees which were generally wasted by Mowbray.

And it wasn't like we were the lowest spenders in the league either, with both Hull and Stoke being bigger under-dogs than us who both went on to survive, whilst smaller clubs like Wigan also did it comfortably.

What I said originally is that Mowbray wasn't the kind of amazing entertainer that many remember him for, losing at home every week in the Premiership was not entertaining, nor was failing to score many goals in the Premiership. I did like his philosophy but it didn't work, and as I said, Di Matteo, Clarke and Pepe Mel all did better in terms of entertainment and results. Pepe Mel had scraps to work with and less time, and he still kept us up with a fairly weak team in the end, with everything against him. As I said, Mowbray has been a proven failure since leaving us, whereas the likes of Clarke, Di Matteo and Mel have all had decent careers, it doesn't happen by fluke, it happens by being better managers than he is.

I dont agree with any of that im sorry.

How do you know what mowbray and peace said behind closed doors? A lot of your post is personal opinion which is fine but dont make it out to be fact as its clearly not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 20, 2015, 11:06:07 PM
Don't know why we're talking about Mowbray. Failed at Celtic with the league's best squad and failed everywhere since and now in League 1. Pulis is a former Premier League manager of the year. Worlds apart.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 20, 2015, 11:18:51 PM
Tony Pulis's football style is drab and boring.
Dim Tim says that he likes to play entertaining football.
Which position would you prefer?
Drab and 11 points, or entertaining and 4 points also second from bottom?

Dilemma.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on October 20, 2015, 11:30:25 PM
Football played well (whatever the style) is good to watch. I remember being delighted at 1-0 wins under Megson. We defended well and broke with the exciting pace of Jason Roberts. Whilst I long for the days of Ron Atkinson attacking play being realistic I would rather see a steady mid table team than one that can't win try to naively throw caution to the wind and losing practically every week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on October 20, 2015, 11:32:33 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 20, 2015, 11:18:51 PM
Tony Pulis's football style is drab and boring.
Dim Tim says that he likes to play entertaining football.
Which position would you prefer?
Drab and 11 points, or entertaining and 4 points also second from bottom?

Dilemma.

So if Dim Tim played Pulisball Villa would not be in the relegation zone?

I look forward to the day when every single team in the Prem plays Pulisball since Pulisball is the One and Only Way to Survival. That will be a hoot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 20, 2015, 11:57:06 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 20, 2015, 10:57:13 PM
I dont agree with any of that im sorry.

How do you know what mowbray and peace said behind closed doors? A lot of your post is personal opinion which is fine but dont make it out to be fact as its clearly not.
No need to be sorry but you're clearly uninformed. Do a bit of research, it's there in interviews, it was often the subject when Mowbray was interviewed, he openly wanted a wage structure which meant no one player earned much more than others. It's not 'behind closed doors' it's all open fact, yes fact.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 21, 2015, 12:04:52 AM
we are never going to win the league.
its unlikely we will win any cups
for me the only thing left is to be entertained with attacking exciting football (unlikely with pulis).
I couldn't care less about surving in the prem at all costs just because there's loads of dosh involved, lets face it the players will get the lions share, jeremy will get a bit richer and the rest will get spunked up the wall with poor signings.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 21, 2015, 12:38:51 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 21, 2015, 12:04:52 AM
we are never going to win the league.
its unlikely we will win any cups
for me the only thing left is to be entertained with attacking exciting football (unlikely with pulis).
I couldn't care less about surving in the prem at all costs just because there's loads of dosh involved, lets face it the players will get the lions share, jeremy will get a bit richer and the rest will get spunked up the wall with poor signings.

I agree. Its not like the huge amounts of new tv money will be lining the pockets of the poor b*stards who watch us not even try away from home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 21, 2015, 06:49:55 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 20, 2015, 11:18:51 PM
Tony Pulis's football style is drab and boring.
Dim Tim says that he likes to play entertaining football.
Which position would you prefer?
Drab and 11 points, or entertaining and 4 points also second from bottom?

Dilemma.

You listen to Dim Tim? The only point you have made is that Tim Sherwood is an awful manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 21, 2015, 07:00:01 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 20, 2015, 11:06:07 PM
Don't know why we're talking about Mowbray. Failed at Celtic with the league's best squad and failed everywhere since and now in League 1. Pulis is a former Premier League manager of the year. Worlds apart.
Pulis sacked at Gillingham,  Bristol, Portsmouth,  Stoke. Hodgson sacked at Liverpool.  Bobby Robson sacked at Sporting Lisbon. .... Look past the headlines 😉
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 21, 2015, 08:06:58 AM
I'm not going to knock Mowbray as the season we won the league was one of the best I've had following Albion home and away but it was a fantastic squad we had and even someone as inept as Irvine would have struggled not to gain promotion with a team with Gera and Phillips, and I think the points total we had winning the league was the lowest we've had when getting promoted to the prem.....not that it really matters. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 21, 2015, 08:29:55 AM
The Chinese President is in Town.
George Osborne is "courting" China to invest in the UK.

I'm not convinced the WBA sale is dead yet. We need TP to keep us up to ensure we make the sale.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 21, 2015, 08:35:39 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 20, 2015, 10:47:13 PM
Yes I do, it failed and it was actively encouraged by Mowbray who didn't want wage inequality because he "saw it fail" at Ipswich. Well, as soon as Mowbray left, Peace lifted the wage barriers and suddenly we swapped yo-yo'ing for 6 consecutive years for the premier league. It wasn't like Mowbray was begging to sign higher paid players, if anything that's what Peace wanted to do but Mowbray was dead against it. This free'd up money for transfer fees which were generally wasted by Mowbray.

And it wasn't like we were the lowest spenders in the league either, with both Hull and Stoke being bigger under-dogs than us who both went on to survive, whilst smaller clubs like Wigan also did it comfortably.

What I said originally is that Mowbray wasn't the kind of amazing entertainer that many remember him for, losing at home every week in the Premiership was not entertaining, nor was failing to score many goals in the Premiership. I did like his philosophy but it didn't work, and as I said, Di Matteo, Clarke and Pepe Mel all did better in terms of entertainment and results. Pepe Mel had scraps to work with and less time, and he still kept us up with a fairly weak team in the end, with everything against him. As I said, Mowbray has been a proven failure since leaving us, whereas the likes of Clarke, Di Matteo and Mel have all had decent careers, it doesn't happen by fluke, it happens by being better managers than he is.

We lost 9 out of 19 home games that season, which is hardly losing every week. Whilst Stoke did stay up comfortably that season, whilst we missed out by 4 points and weren't cast adrift as some like to claim, there are some interesting comparisons that can be drawn:

- Albion scored more goals at home than Stoke (26 v 22)
- Stoke conceded more goals away than Albion (40 v 34)
- Although our away record was abysmal (1 win and 13 defeats), Stoke only got 2 more points away than we did

Our problem that season was the number of goals we conceded more than anything else.

The season before, when both Albion and Stoke were promoted as the top two, we Albion gained 2 more victories than Stoke and scored 19 more goals than them. I hate how people keep slagging Mowbray off when we had 2 Wembley visits whilst he was here and won our first league title since 1920, and yet some people love to brand him as a failure when he was with us. Can anyone see us getting to Wembley during Pulis's tenure?

As far as your "losing at home every week" claim is concerned, Pulis has just got his first home victory in 5 attempts this season, and that was more by luck than judgement. We've somehow won 3 games this season, but only 1 of those victories can be regarded as having any merit, or be due to the tactics employed by Pulis. Let's hope that he isn't using up all of his good fortune too soon. These fortuitous wins are giving him more time to continue to strangle the spirit and enthusiasm of many of the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 21, 2015, 09:16:18 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 20, 2015, 11:18:51 PM
Tony Pulis's football style is drab and boring.
Dim Tim says that he likes to play entertaining football.
Which position would you prefer?
Drab and 11 points, or entertaining and 4 points also second from bottom?

Dilemma.

It's a crazy thought, but how about entertaining football and 11 points? If only they weren't mutually exclusive....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on October 21, 2015, 09:20:30 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 20, 2015, 09:34:06 PM
Mate, the football under brian little and alan buckley was better than this!!!
It really wasnt !! 2nd 3rd division in front of 8/10k with zero inspiration
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on October 21, 2015, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on October 21, 2015, 07:00:01 AM
Pulis sacked at Gillingham,  Bristol, Portsmouth,  Stoke. Hodgson sacked at Liverpool.  Bobby Robson sacked at Sporting Lisbon. .... Look past the headlines 😉

Yes but all three of those have had success elsewhere!!! Mowbray hasn't!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 21, 2015, 01:42:15 PM
That's just not true Jacko I like your post it sums us up well in the premiership, however there are teams that already have maybe a very very small percentage chance of relegation and not just the old fashioned top 7 you can tell that after 10 games or so already.

Teams like Palace, Leicester, West Ham, stoke all have a way of playing progressive football don't get me wrong I'm not deluded like West Ham fans and think they will get champions league but I am sure they will occupy the top 10 spots. That ties in with my opinion with top 10 being unachievable for us over 38 games these teams are just way more proggressive as I like to call it.

Anywhere between 12th and 15th will be our league standings via clean sheets and 1-0 wins as you have said before.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 21, 2015, 01:53:51 PM
A point to game ratio will probably be about right maybe a couple wins to take us to 44/46 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 21, 2015, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: AshD on October 21, 2015, 09:34:38 AM
Yes but all three of those have had success elsewhere!!! Mowbray hasn't!
Mowbray got sussed and didn't have a plan B.
Pulis has always been sussed, it's just that teams still don't quite know how to deal with his style of play, so he doesn't really need a plan B (which is lucky because he doesn't appear to have one either!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 21, 2015, 02:25:06 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on October 20, 2015, 10:51:10 PM
I was laughing my head off when i posted it  ;D

Just as well really because I was laughing my head off when I read it  :).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2015, 09:01:14 AM
So Skys Phil Thomson reckons some of the players are loosing faith in Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on October 22, 2015, 09:08:39 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2015, 09:01:14 AM
So Skys Phil Thomson reckons some of the players are loosing faith in Pulis

Some of these players need to be reminded who manages the club
This bunch have got rid of a few managers now and that part of the problem
Perhaps they want Downing and Keily back again
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 22, 2015, 09:16:03 AM
Quote from: tylerm on October 22, 2015, 09:08:39 AM
Some of these players need to be reminded who manages the club
This bunch have got rid of a few managers now and that part of the problem
Perhaps they want Downing and Keily back again
To true mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 22, 2015, 09:21:13 AM
I'm not a fan of Pulis at all but I'm getting fed up with our mediocre players thinking they run the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 22, 2015, 09:42:41 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2015, 09:01:14 AM
So Skys Phil Thomson reckons some of the players are loosing faith in Pulis
He talks rubbish most of the time , probably still sore his beloved reds blew up against Pulis's Palace that night and put a  huge dent in their title bid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 22, 2015, 10:03:52 AM
First off I would doubt that Phil Thompson has much of an insight into what is happening at our club although football is a small world so you never know. That said there will always be malcontents in any dressing room and I guess there are about 5 or 6 players whose careers are being slowly killed by Pulis that might not have a good word to say for him. Add in the sheer drudgery of nothing much more than defensive drilling week after week and the stick the players are starting to get because of the Manager's tactics and maybe the players aren't particularly happy. 

While I absolutely despise Pulis and all his works the players don't get to chose the manager and I would not be happy with a player rebellion bringing down Pulis for the reason is that it sets up the next manager to fail.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 22, 2015, 11:23:43 AM
or for some bizarre reason PT (or sky) want to de-stabalise little old WBA to ensure survival of a "bigger" club?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 22, 2015, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 20, 2015, 11:57:06 PM
No need to be sorry but you're clearly uninformed. Do a bit of research, it's there in interviews, it was often the subject when Mowbray was interviewed, he openly wanted a wage structure which meant no one player earned much more than others. It's not 'behind closed doors' it's all open fact, yes fact.

We had a director of football when Mowbray was manager so how can you say he was completely responsible for our recruitment policy?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 22, 2015, 01:32:07 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 22, 2015, 09:42:41 AM
He talks rubbish most of the time , probably still sore his beloved reds blew up against Pulis's Palace that night and put a  huge dent in their title bid.
I agree he's a be11end, but he is probably right. I'm sure the likes of MacManaman, Gnabry, Lambert, Sessegnon, Rondon, Berahino are all losing faith to some extent due to the style of football. Old Conk doesn't have to be in the know to guess that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mooncat on October 22, 2015, 02:40:25 PM
Let's not also forget the likes of Gamboa & Pocognoli who probably aren't best pleased with their situation
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 22, 2015, 02:53:12 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on October 22, 2015, 01:32:07 PM
I agree he's a be11end, but he is probably right. I'm sure the likes of MacManaman, Gnabry, Lambert, Sessegnon, Rondon, Berahino are all losing faith to some extent due to the style of football. Old Conk doesn't have to be in the know to guess that.

I would think that Wisdom and Lambert are conduits from our lot to lads at scousepool
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 22, 2015, 03:33:31 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on October 22, 2015, 01:10:01 PM
We had a director of football when Mowbray was manager so how can you say he was completely responsible for our recruitment policy?
He bought in his own players such as Shelton Martis who he'd managed before and also went in for Roman Bednar from the Scottish leagues. Of course, directors of football will always influence transfers but it's not like Mowbray was blindly given players he knew nothing of.

Regarding Thompson I simply think he isn't very bright and most of his opinions are formed on very little (same with Merson). I imagine every single team throughout the world will have a few unhappy players but most of them will be content. If you look at Man City for example who are top of the league, you could argue that Mangala may be unhappy with the arrival of Otamendi, Navas with the arrival of De Bruyne and so on. He's speaking nonsense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 24, 2015, 01:15:26 PM
I am still backing TP, and I believe that he genuinely wants to play a more expansive game that we have seen so far.
It has become very evident that he did not get all of signings that he wanted in the transfer window, and most would agree with his comment that our early fixtures were challenging. We now have 11 points from 9 games, and although the football has been poor, I think that the points return is very reasonable. As we get more points on the board towards the first priority of Premier League safety, then I think he will be more adventurous with his team selection and shape. Of course he will be cautious until he knows to what extent he will be backed by JP, in the January window.
If you listen to his weekly interviews, I think he can clearly see that our support is doubting his ability to play in the so called "Albion way". This week he cited the excellent vocal support given to Norwich,Watford, and the recently promoted sides. To me this was clearly a swipe at the very poor atmosphere at the Hawthorns this season.
I can see a parting of the waves between JP and TP in the January window, as JP will either have to back him or risk the consequences. If TP is unhappy here in January, there will be a few clubs happy to take him.
Be careful what you wish for.
Me.........i am wishing for 3 points today, and I dont care if its aginst 9 men, and it's due to going in off Mcleans fist!   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on October 24, 2015, 04:53:25 PM
Up the table ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 24, 2015, 04:55:05 PM
A more flowing game, perhaps TP can continue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on October 24, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
what a terrible job hes doing  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 24, 2015, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 24, 2015, 04:55:05 PM
A more flowing game, perhaps TP can continue.

I agree. I've got nothing against TP as a man, he actually seems ok. But the football previously has been awful to watch.

If he plays with a defensive mindset, allowing for a bit of attacking flair then I for one am totally up for that. Bring it on and I hope a manager with that approach guides us for many many years to come.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 24, 2015, 05:03:00 PM
You don't keep up a 40% win rate for 10 months if you're a poor manager. I heard somewhere this is West Broms best start since 1983?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on October 24, 2015, 05:12:56 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on October 24, 2015, 05:03:00 PM
You don't keep up a 40% win rate for 10 months if you're a poor manager. I heard somewhere this is West Broms best start since 1983?

We had 17 points in 10 games under Clarke in 2012/13. We've actually had 13 points after 10 games the last 2 seasons, its usually around now things start going wrong. Hopefully we can avoid that this year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 24, 2015, 05:17:17 PM
Quote from: Dan on October 24, 2015, 05:12:56 PM
We had 17 points in 10 games under Clarke in 2012/13. We've actually had 13 points after 10 games the last 2 seasons, its usually around now things start going wrong. Hopefully we can avoid that this year.
A difficult run coming up now, trust in TP. ;) 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 24, 2015, 05:24:30 PM
Looking forward to the home game v Leicester next week - a tough game but very winnable
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 24, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on October 22, 2015, 01:10:01 PM
We had a director of football when Mowbray was manager so how can you say he was completely responsible for our recruitment policy?
He probably wont answer that. Just like you when I asked who you think would be better than TP? You don't have a clue do you? I conclude.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 24, 2015, 08:13:07 PM
Thanks for that Dan. It makes me laugh when pundits make up those sort of stats  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 24, 2015, 08:15:44 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on October 24, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
He probably wont answer that. Just like you when I asked who you think would be better than TP? You don't have a clue do you? I conclude.

Why would you think people would respond when you are having cheap digs at them ?, last time I checked we are all adults who should really be able to hold a mature conversation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on October 24, 2015, 09:19:11 PM
I agree in the 'careful what you wish for' for those looking to see the end of Pulis.
He is boring, the team plays boring and everyone wants to have a more expansive attacking team, however what he can do is set the team up well for post-Pulis, as we are seeing with Crystal Palace. Had they continued and been relegated, football oblivion was a possibility

Sherwood plays a more attaching brand and loses, I would rather boring and top flight than expansive and relegation..

In saying that... I would love to have a team that has the ball more often and gets forward to pressure the opposition teams, if only Pulis could drill his team offensively as well as he drills them defensively!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 24, 2015, 09:52:51 PM
"Be careful what you wish for." The sneary response used by Pulis supporters constantly during his time at Stoke. It was used to shoot down any dissent against the great man if anyone dared to question the methods that kept us up but left most of us bored to tears and looking for some painting to do on a matchday afternoon.

Football's about escapism and entertainment. If you're a really dire team with no hope of staying up, then it's fair enough to cling to someone who can keep the lifeboats afloat. But it won't end there. The negativity will continue year upon year, with the manager continually talking up the opposition and claiming that you need more quality to compete, until more and more of you will start to believe that only Tony can keep you up in the half-life known as Pulisball.

And by the way, anyone who believes that the shackles will be released and a more expansive game played once you reach the mythical 40 points; sorry, but that's not how it works. He can get a Holloway team playing the way his game-plan is made for, but he'll never be able to do it with his own players, no matter how much money he's chucked at it. There's only a plan A.

Great result today for all that.

DK



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on October 24, 2015, 10:02:08 PM
well fair play to pulis for starting berahino,rondon and sess away from home today and a great result
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 24, 2015, 10:16:36 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 24, 2015, 09:52:51 PM
"Be careful what you wish for." The sneary response used by Pulis supporters constantly during his time at Stoke. It was used to shoot down any dissent against the great man if anyone dared to question the methods that kept us up but left most of us bored to tears and looking for some painting to do on a matchday afternoon.

Football's about escapism and entertainment. If you're a really dire team with no hope of staying up, then it's fair enough to cling to someone who can keep the lifeboats afloat. But it won't end there. The negativity will continue year upon year, with the manager continually talking up the opposition and claiming that you need more quality to compete, until more and more of you will start to believe that only Tony can keep you up in the half-life known as Pulisball.

And by the way, anyone who believes that the shackles will be released and a more expansive game played once you reach the mythical 40 points; sorry, but that's not how it works. He can get a Holloway team playing the way his game-plan is made for, but he'll never be able to do it with his own players, no matter how much money he's chucked at it. There's only a plan A.

Great result today for all that.

DK

No offence but why are you (and quite a few other Stoke fans) so fascinated by Pulis? I see a few on here, I've been linked to his thread on the Oatcake and to this day he's still spoken about in some depth...surely it gets tiresome after some point? We've had him for nearly a year now so our fans know what to expect when it comes to his style and tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 24, 2015, 11:07:39 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 24, 2015, 10:16:36 PM
No offence but why are you (and quite a few other Stoke fans) so fascinated by Pulis? I see a few on here, I've been linked to his thread on the Oatcake and to this day he's still spoken about in some depth...surely it gets tiresome after some point? We've had him for nearly a year now so our fans know what to expect when it comes to his style and tactics.

It's probably because his style of play was revered and loathed in almost equal measure. Every manager we've ever had before has had a fairly universal view. With the odd exception, everyone loved Macari, everyone thought Ball, Kamara and Little were useless and so on. But Pulis was just ultra divisive, and it's left feuds on the Oatcake which have carried on to this day.

It should get tiresome, but it's carried on, because every post on the Oatcake slagging off Hughes is seen as somehow backing the Pulis way, and anyone commenting on the better football we're seeing (in general), is seen to be having a dig at Pulis. He's marmite, but we had him in charge for 10 years, and it'll be a long time before we get him out of our system.

The wide range of views about Pulis mean some of you won't be too happy about a Stokie being on here posting stuff about your manager while others have said they enjoy my posts.

I've always had a soft spot for West Brom for reasons I won't bore you with, and as I've said before, I'm not out to offend anyone. Sorry if my posts are grating a bit. Just thought I'd share my views as someone who saw pretty much all there was to see from watching Pulisball for many years.

To be honest, I thought I could probably have a bit of friendly banter with you guys as well, but this forum's a lot more straight laced than the Oatcake with much stricter rules. The Oatcake can be a bit of a free for all riot at times, but it's very entertaining with it.

Best wishes,

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on October 24, 2015, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 24, 2015, 09:52:51 PM
"Be careful what you wish for." The sneary response used by Pulis supporters constantly during his time at Stoke. It was used to shoot down any dissent against the great man if anyone dared to question the methods that kept us up but left most of us bored to tears and looking for some painting to do on a matchday afternoon.

Football's about escapism and entertainment. If you're a really dire team with no hope of staying up, then it's fair enough to cling to someone who can keep the lifeboats afloat. But it won't end there. The negativity will continue year upon year, with the manager continually talking up the opposition and claiming that you need more quality to compete, until more and more of you will start to believe that only Tony can keep you up in the half-life known as Pulisball.

And by the way, anyone who believes that the shackles will be released and a more expansive game played once you reach the mythical 40 points; sorry, but that's not how it works. He can get a Holloway team playing the way his game-plan is made for, but he'll never be able to do it with his own players, no matter how much money he's chucked at it. There's only a plan A.

Great result today for all that.

DK

I might sound a little rude here, but I don't really mean to be Dreamkiller, I am not really attacking Stoke here.

By my reckoning, Stoke had become an almost inconsequential club for all intents and purposes when Pulis took over there for the first time. They took 3-4 goes through the playoff to finally make the championship and were sliding right back to oblivion and the 3rd division when he took over and saved you from relegation, perhaps no other manager could have done that.

He then solidified your position in the championship for a couple of seasons, left (and you went backwards), came back and got you promoted within 1-2 seasons.

In the Premier League, I never at any stage remember thinking Stoke were a team at risk of going down, that is something Pulis brought to the club, yes they were boring, but they were going to stay a Premier League team and flirt with a European spot and cup success.

Hughes has done pretty well with the team since, but I would not at all be surprised to see Stoke risk flirting with relegation under Hughes, he doesn't bring a style that you can bet your house on, he hasn't at any club.

I am not a Pulis lover, but I find it extraordinary that Stoke fans don't appreciate that they almost certainly would not be in the Premier League if not for him and that they very well could be down in the regions of League One. Instead they are a good solid Premier League club that now has many years experience in the Prem behind them.

Stoke should be erecting a statue of Pulis at the ground such has been the impact that he has had.
You would never be signing players of the like of Wollscheid, Johnson, Afellay, Shaqiri in this transfer market if not for the foundations that got you there in the first place and made you a rock solid club.
Where or not those players work out, isn't the point, that is down to Hughes and co, but they wouldn't be there if you were in one of the next two divisions.

If Pulis  sets us up over the next season or two for the following 5-10 years, then I will be pretty happy. It might be boring getting there, but the foundation will be rock solid and those that continue in will be very well versed defensively when we do take a more attacking coach, something I have no doubt help Hughes in his first couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 24, 2015, 11:21:00 PM
Don Revie's Leeds United in the 1970's played with a very similar and hard style of defence.
They would win a lot of their matches by the odd goal.
It wasn't pretty then, but it was effective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba1993dave on October 24, 2015, 11:33:33 PM
It will never be pretty under TP but at least were in safe hands unlike the seals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 24, 2015, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: mateinone on October 24, 2015, 11:19:49 PM
I might sound a little rude here, but I don't really mean to be Dreamkiller, I am not really attacking Stoke here.

By my reckoning, Stoke had become an almost inconsequential club for all intents and purposes when Pulis took over there for the first time. They took 3-4 goes through the playoff to finally make the championship and were sliding right back to oblivion and the 3rd division when he took over and saved you from relegation, perhaps no other manager could have done that.

He then solidified your position in the championship for a couple of seasons, left (and you went backwards), came back and got you promoted within 1-2 seasons.

In the Premier League, I never at any stage remember thinking Stoke were a team at risk of going down, that is something Pulis brought to the club, yes they were boring, but they were going to stay a Premier League team and flirt with a European spot and cup success.

Hughes has done pretty well with the team since, but I would not at all be surprised to see Stoke risk flirting with relegation under Hughes, he doesn't bring a style that you can bet your house on, he hasn't at any club.

I am not a Pulis lover, but I find it extraordinary that Stoke fans don't appreciate that they almost certainly would not be in the Premier League if not for him and that they very well could be down in the regions of League One. Instead they are a good solid Premier League club that now has many years experience in the Prem behind them.

Stoke should be erecting a statue of Pulis at the ground such has been the impact that he has had.
You would never be signing players of the like of Wollscheid, Johnson, Afellay, Shaqiri in this transfer market if not for the foundations that got you there in the first place and made you a rock solid club.
Where or not those players work out, isn't the point, that is down to Hughes and co, but they wouldn't be there if you were in one of the next two divisions.

If Pulis  sets us up over the next season or two for the following 5-10 years, then I will be pretty happy. It might be boring getting there, but the foundation will be rock solid and those that continue in will be very well versed defensively when we do take a more attacking coach, something I have no doubt help Hughes in his first couple of seasons.

To be fair, there's very little in there that I'd disagree with, although we did quite seriously flirt with relegation in his final season - we lost badly to the Villa at home in April (I think) and at that point, I honestly thought we were down.

It's not that we don't appreciate what he did, although the Coates millions helped a lot, it was all the stuff that went with it, which I won't go into here, but basically, it had got to the point where people were trudging to games through habit, and losing every ounce of enthusiasm they once had for the game.

When you walk away from games feeling bored sh****ss even when you've won, then you know there's something badly wrong. It shouldn't be like that should it. I never want to walk away from Stoke City. My dad started taking me in the 70s, and it's in my blood. But if he'd stayed one more season, me and my two mates would have been joining the 2000 that failed to renew their season tickets at the end of his last year. It would have killed me to do it, but I hated going to the matches.

As I've said in a previous post, it was style v achievement. A lot of Stoke fans just wanted to stay in the Premier League. Many more just couldn't stand it any longer.

Again though, there's very little in your post that I'd disagree with, and I can completely understand why you see things as you do. So no, you didn't come across as being rude at all.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 24, 2015, 11:47:02 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 24, 2015, 11:43:34 PM
To be fair, there's very little in there that I'd disagree with, although we did quite seriously flirt with relegation in his final season - we lost badly to the Villa at home in April (I think) and at that point, I honestly thought we were down.

It's not that we don't appreciate what he did, although the Coates millions helped a lot, it was all the stuff that went with it, which I won't go into here, but basically, it had got to the point where people were trudging to games through habit, and losing every ounce of enthusiasm they once had for the game.

When you walk away from games feeling bored sh****ss even when you've won, then you know there's something badly wrong. It shouldn't be like that should it. I never want to walk away from Stoke City. My dad started taking me in the 70s, and it's in my blood. But if he'd stayed one more season, me and my two mates would have been joining the 2000 that failed to renew their season tickets at the end of his last year. It would have killed me to do it, but I hated going to the matches.

As I've said in a previous post, it was style v achievement. A lot of Stoke fans just wanted to stay in the Premier League. Many more just couldn't stand it any longer.

Again though, there's very little in your post that I'd disagree with, and I can completely understand why you see things as you do. So no, you didn't come across as being rude at all.

DK

Great to see guys. I can sympathise with both views. I also think both are true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 25, 2015, 12:07:36 AM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 24, 2015, 11:07:39 PM
It's probably because his style of play was revered and loathed in almost equal measure. Every manager we've ever had before has had a fairly universal view. With the odd exception, everyone loved Macari, everyone thought Ball, Kamara and Little were useless and so on. But Pulis was just ultra divisive, and it's left feuds on the Oatcake which have carried on to this day.

It should get tiresome, but it's carried on, because every post on the Oatcake slagging off Hughes is seen as somehow backing the Pulis way, and anyone commenting on the better football we're seeing (in general), is seen to be having a dig at Pulis. He's marmite, but we had him in charge for 10 years, and it'll be a long time before we get him out of our system.

The wide range of views about Pulis mean some of you won't be too happy about a Stokie being on here posting stuff about your manager while others have said they enjoy my posts.

I've always had a soft spot for West Brom for reasons I won't bore you with, and as I've said before, I'm not out to offend anyone. Sorry if my posts are grating a bit. Just thought I'd share my views as someone who saw pretty much all there was to see from watching Pulisball for many years.

To be honest, I thought I could probably have a bit of friendly banter with you guys as well, but this forum's a lot more straight laced than the Oatcake with much stricter rules. The Oatcake can be a bit of a free for all riot at times, but it's very entertaining with it.

Best wishes,

DK
Fair enough, I'm not having a go but it does seem unusual that an ex-manager is discussed so much by Stoke fans. It's like some people debate about Tony Mowbray a bit on here but never to the extent that Pulis is mentioned. I think his legacy will be different here anyway as he won't be around for 8 years or so for various reasons, so I don't think us Albion fans will be talking about him long after he's gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on October 25, 2015, 12:19:54 AM
8th in the league now and people refusing to go up till he's gone.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 25, 2015, 12:26:40 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 25, 2015, 12:07:36 AM
Fair enough, I'm not having a go but it does seem unusual that an ex-manager is discussed so much by Stoke fans. It's like some people debate about Tony Mowbray a bit on here but never to the extent that Pulis is mentioned. I think his legacy will be different here anyway as he won't be around for 8 years or so for various reasons, so I don't think us Albion fans will be talking about him long after he's gone.

It's unusual for us too. All our previous managers just get discussed in passing. But I honestly think the Pulis debate will rage on the Oatcake until long after you guys have almost forgotten he was ever at your club.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2015, 01:59:47 AM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on October 24, 2015, 11:07:39 PM
It's probably because his style of play was revered and loathed in almost equal measure. Every manager we've ever had before has had a fairly universal view. With the odd exception, everyone loved Macari, everyone thought Ball, Kamara and Little were useless and so on. But Pulis was just ultra divisive, and it's left feuds on the Oatcake which have carried on to this day.

It should get tiresome, but it's carried on, because every post on the Oatcake slagging off Hughes is seen as somehow backing the Pulis way, and anyone commenting on the better football we're seeing (in general), is seen to be having a dig at Pulis. He's marmite, but we had him in charge for 10 years, and it'll be a long time before we get him out of our system.

The wide range of views about Pulis mean some of you won't be too happy about a Stokie being on here posting stuff about your manager while others have said they enjoy my posts.

I've always had a soft spot for West Brom for reasons I won't bore you with, and as I've said before, I'm not out to offend anyone. Sorry if my posts are grating a bit. Just thought I'd share my views as someone who saw pretty much all there was to see from watching Pulisball for many years.

To be honest, I thought I could probably have a bit of friendly banter with you guys as well, but this forum's a lot more straight laced than the Oatcake with much stricter rules. The Oatcake can be a bit of a free for all riot at times, but it's very entertaining with it.

Best wishes,

DK

It's really odd that Stoke fans are actually split on Pulis given he got you promoted and actually kept you in the premier league, without him you'd still probably be bouncing around between the middle of the championship or worse.

I'd have thought he'd be like Megson here in that people would acknowledge the football wasn't great but the job he did transformed the club so they're legends.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 25, 2015, 07:39:32 AM
Quote from: Foster#1 on October 25, 2015, 12:19:54 AM
8th in the league now and people refusing to go up till he's gone.  ;D
Football's very expensive these days, so perhaps some people have the audacity to wish to see an entertaining spectacle when parting with their hard-earned cash? Just a thought. Whilst clubs in the lower divisions have played more games of course, no club in the 4 main divisions have scored fewer goals than we have, which makes our position in the league something of a dichotomy.

If you're attempting to advocate that the Pulis style is the way it would be prudent for all clubs (apart from the richest) to go then, if clubs did that, attendances would start to fall away generally.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 25, 2015, 09:19:13 AM
Yesterdays's performance was better than the lows of this season and we played some decent football. Ultimately we will not be relegated but neither will we finish in the top half of the division, defensive solidity takes us only so far to win more games we have to risk losing and on occasion score more than 1 goal.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 25, 2015, 09:41:37 AM
I can understand the anger at displays like the one at Palace but if we play with intent to play some football as we did yesterday and at Villa then I think people will be generally happy with that.
I do think that Pulis will be increasing our options to allow us to play that way more often, though he'll want us to remain hard to beat (and that's a common sense approach).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 25, 2015, 09:51:08 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 24, 2015, 10:16:36 PM
No offence but why are you (and quite a few other Stoke fans) so fascinated by Pulis? I see a few on here, I've been linked to his thread on the Oatcake and to this day he's still spoken about in some depth...surely it gets tiresome after some point? We've had him for nearly a year now so our fans know what to expect when it comes to his style and tactics.
What it is mate, they are obsessed with him, and whether they love him or hate him, they are really hoping that he will always play the "Stoke brand" and not develop a more attacking version, as he was doing at Palace, and, given time, may even achieve it here.
I am sure that whilst he is very proud of his career achievements so far, that he wants to win a trophy, and be accepted as a coach who likes to attack, as he mentioned on MOTD last night.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on October 25, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
win against Leicester and we'll be closing in on the CL places, as much as it's nice to look at the table with us on 8th, if we hadn't messed up against Everton 6th would have been so much better... Pulis has us roughly 6/7 wins and a few draws away from safety already.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggieblood on October 25, 2015, 10:48:03 AM
Personally I've had enough of pulisball.

I hate the way he's coped with 3 years of bad signings and decisions.

The way he's solidified us is nothing short of a disgrace.

His biggest crime though is trying to instill a winning mentality.

Who does think he is?

Bet, he thinks he's never been relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on October 25, 2015, 11:05:52 AM
Quote from: wba1993dave on October 24, 2015, 11:33:33 PM
It will never be pretty under TP but at least were in safe hands unlike the seals.



This is very true
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 25, 2015, 01:42:50 PM
How would we all feel if Villa came in for Pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 25, 2015, 01:50:07 PM
Villa couldn't afford what JP would want.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 25, 2015, 03:22:18 PM
Yesterday was much better - a far more balanced performance where we defended well and actually attacked with a purpose.

Bottle that approach and use it regularly rather than sort of dross we saw at Palace where winning and attacking just wasn't an option.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 25, 2015, 09:11:25 PM
Quote from: Baggieblood on October 25, 2015, 10:48:03 AM
Personally I've had enough of pulisball.

I hate the way he's coped with 3 years of bad signings and decisions.

The way he's solidified us is nothing short of a disgrace.

His biggest crime though is trying to instill a winning mentality.

Who does think he is?

Bet, he thinks he's never been relegated.

Mate you really need to watch a game or two, I have really enjoyed the last two weekends. ;D

Ha ha, just re read this, didn't realise you were taking the mick!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on October 25, 2015, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Adder on October 25, 2015, 09:41:37 AM
I can understand the anger at displays like the one at Palace but if we play with intent to play some football as we did yesterday and at Villa then I think people will be generally happy with that.
I do think that Pulis will be increasing our options to allow us to play that way more often, though he'll want us to remain hard to beat (and that's a common sense approach).
He has been here 5 minutes really, building from the back. I have been frustrated too - but I do feel happy in the thought that he will keep us in the prem and get us stronger and stronger.

I think we are better with him rather than not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on October 25, 2015, 09:28:38 PM
I'm all for being well organised and well drilled but we must pay more attention to attacking football.  I firmly believe we have the players to cause teams problems so a compromise must be found.


A 4-2-3-1 is the answer.  We have 3 centre forwards at the club who can play that way so pick one and plenty of midfielders and wingers who can adapt to that formation.   


With a solid back 4 and Fletcher and Yacob in centre mid we can afford to be a bit more forward thinking especially at home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 25, 2015, 09:45:53 PM
Quote from: BB74 on October 25, 2015, 01:42:50 PM
How would we all feel if Villa came in for Pulis?
They can take him for me I can start going to matches again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 25, 2015, 09:55:22 PM
Quote from: Dan on October 25, 2015, 01:59:47 AM
It's really odd that Stoke fans are actually split on Pulis given he got you promoted and actually kept you in the premier league, without him you'd still probably be bouncing around between the middle of the championship or worse.

I'd have thought he'd be like Megson here in that people would acknowledge the football wasn't great but the job he did transformed the club so they're legends.

Is it really that odd that we're so split on Pulis? He's been at your club for less than a year and you have posters saying they'd rather get relegated than have to watch the football on offer for much longer. We had him for 10 years over two spells. Go on, try to imagine that.  :o

His achievements are a matter of record and can't be disputed, but while his achievements will always be acknowledged, he'll never be loved by Stoke fans in the same way that Macari was, and his name was rarely chanted by the fans because in large parts, what we were watching made our eyes hurt.

Incidentally, Megson is fondly remembered by Stoke fans. He was only at Stoke for a few months before he had to be removed through no fault of his own as part of the Icelanders takeover of the club in the late 90s. No one was particularly enthusiastic about him when he turned up, but he surprised most of us and became very popular for the short time he was with us.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 25, 2015, 10:36:20 PM
Arguably Stoke fans with regards to Pulls are in a different situation to what we were with Megson. Megson dragged this club out of the gutter in every aspect and is more defining to this club than JP. It was a while before anyone came in and truly bettered Megson.

Peter Coates backed Pulls immensely, to the tune of 20m in his first Perm season totalling 70m+ altogether. After leaving, Hughes came in, spent less and the club came out of stagnation and finished higher than Pulls ever took them.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on October 26, 2015, 07:19:10 AM
Quote from: BB74 on October 25, 2015, 01:42:50 PM
How would we all feel if Villa came in for Pulis?

no chance... and to think we nearly had Sherwood ffs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 26, 2015, 07:54:21 AM
This bloke has got a shelf life, at the minute hes doing fine and has my full support
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 26, 2015, 07:56:33 AM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on October 25, 2015, 10:36:20 PM
Peter Coates backed Pulls immensely, to the tune of 20m in his first Perm season totalling 70m+ altogether. After leaving, Hughes came in, spent less and the club came out of stagnation and finished higher than Pulls ever took them.

The spending argument is a very misleading one. The wages paid out at a club are much more reflective of a team's position than its net spend. And Stoke under Pulis almost always had one of the lowest wage bills in the league and yet never finished lower than 14th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 26, 2015, 08:10:55 AM
Pulis drives me mad as games like saturday show that we can be a decent team.

If we played away games more often like we did saturday, ie - show intent to win the game i would have no issues, if we had had a go at Palace and lost 2-0, so be it, we are going to lose games, we are a midtable team at best, it happens, its the way we go about it thats the issue to me. There will be some games where we are going to be under the cosh, games against the big 4 but i think Palaces last couple of games have shown they really arent all that and we bent over for them.

For every 3 rubbish performances, we then put in 1 like we did Saturday (and against Villa) this saturday lets have a go at Leicester, they concede goals for fun, our defence is well organised (which Pulis deserves massive credit for) so this is a winnable game, i want to come away having been entertained even just a little bit.

What frustrates me is that we have the potential to make saturdays performance a more regular thing, i dont want games like that to be one offs, they should be the norm and if Pulis can do that then i will gladly change my view that we are progressing not going backwards with cynical football. (not that i am sure he particularly cares what i think!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 26, 2015, 08:26:52 AM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on October 26, 2015, 07:56:33 AM
The spending argument is a very misleading one. The wages paid out at a club are much more reflective of a team's position than its net spend. And Stoke under Pulis almost always had one of the lowest wage bills in the league and yet never finished lower than 14th.

That's correct, I was just about to reply with the same thing. Hughes has spent far less in transfer fee's while boosting the wage bill considerably. Hughes (or more likely the suits) have just taken the money out of one column and put it into another column finance wise. (Same way Swansea have done it with Gomis and Ayew.)

Upon promotion everybody thought Stoke needed to spend to stand a chance of staying up. Don't forget Mowbray could afford players like Brunt and Morrison in the Championship who Pulis couldn't afford to buy. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and half of those initial signings didn't work out. Kitson's fee was incentive based so there's no way he ended up costing the full £5m for example.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 26, 2015, 08:37:16 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on October 26, 2015, 08:10:55 AM
Pulis drives me mad as games like saturday show that we can be a decent team.

If we played away games more often like we did saturday, ie - show intent to win the game i would have no issues, if we had had a go at Palace and lost 2-0, so be it, we are going to lose games, we are a midtable team at best, it happens, its the way we go about it thats the issue to me. There will be some games where we are going to be under the cosh, games against the big 4 but i think Palaces last couple of games have shown they really arent all that and we bent over for them.

For every 3 rubbish performances, we then put in 1 like we did Saturday (and against Villa) this saturday lets have a go at Leicester, they concede goals for fun, our defence is well organised (which Pulis deserves massive credit for) so this is a winnable game, i want to come away having been entertained even just a little bit.

What frustrates me is that we have the potential to make saturdays performance a more regular thing, i dont want games like that to be one offs, they should be the norm and if Pulis can do that then i will gladly change my view that we are progressing not going backwards with cynical football. (not that i am sure he particularly cares what i think!)

Agree 100%.  Exactly how I feel as well.  Let's hope the Norwich game was a watershed.  Things suddenly look a lot more positive than before the Sunderland game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on October 26, 2015, 09:08:47 AM
The great Liverpool side(s) of the 70s were based on the philosophy that "you don't score, but we probably will", everything built from the back.  Not comparing us to them, obviously, but he's not the only coach to go down this route. If you don't lose too many, you stay up.  That's what he's paid for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 26, 2015, 11:00:10 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on October 26, 2015, 08:26:52 AM
That's correct, I was just about to reply with the same thing. Hughes has spent far less in transfer fee's while boosting the wage bill considerably. Hughes (or more likely the suits) have just taken the money out of one column and put it into another column finance wise. (Same way Swansea have done it with Gomis and Ayew.)

Upon promotion everybody thought Stoke needed to spend to stand a chance of staying up. Don't forget Mowbray could afford players like Brunt and Morrison in the Championship who Pulis couldn't afford to buy. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and half of those initial signings didn't work out. Kitson's fee was incentive based so there's no way he ended up costing the full £5m for example.

This is incorrect, Hughes achieved back to back 9th placed finishes spending far less on transfers and marginally more on wages.

That season our nets spend was negative following the sales of some big names for big fees.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on October 26, 2015, 11:45:12 AM
With those 9th placed finishes the majority of the players were bought in by Pulis though (especially defensively) Begovic, Shawcross, Huth, Cameron etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 26, 2015, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on October 26, 2015, 11:45:12 AM
With those 9th placed finishes the majority of the players were bought in by Pulis though (especially defensively) Begovic, Shawcross, Huth, Cameron etc.

Naturally, which probably angered Stoke fans even more. If you look back my post from where this has stemmed is that I can imagine why Pulls split Stoke fans, and yet an Albion fan will always love Megson.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on October 26, 2015, 02:42:07 PM
I'll start this by saying i've been against Pulis from day one, and will continue to do so.

I did think of George Graham after another 1-0 and the "1-0 to the Arsenal" championship winning team. They still love him for what he did and was pretty similar to what we are experiencing at our level.

Not for me but the stay up by any means lot will be happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 26, 2015, 03:12:10 PM
We’ve just beaten two of the poorer teams in the division 1-0 which has left in a favourable position in the league; however the division is tight and two of three defeats on the trot, which is plausible, will leave things looking bleak again.  That’s not taking anything away from the last two weeks, you can only beat what’s in front of you and any win in the Premier League is a good one especially away from home.  However I think the criticism that have been levelled at Pulis and his management style are still prevalent and will eventually be is undoing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 26, 2015, 06:43:38 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on October 26, 2015, 03:12:10 PM
We’ve just beaten two of the poorer teams in the division 1-0 which has left in a favourable position in the league; however the division is tight and two of three defeats on the trot, which is plausible, will leave things looking bleak again.  That’s not taking anything away from the last two weeks, you can only beat what’s in front of you and any win in the Premier League is a good one especially away from home.  However I think the criticism that have been levelled at Pulis and his management style are still prevalent and will eventually be is undoing.

The Poll is getting tighter again, TP getting over 41% now, glad to see they are realising effective football is better for the club long term than the fantasy purist brand.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 26, 2015, 06:56:26 PM
Franksie stiring it on WM phone in Pulis to the Villa
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 26, 2015, 06:58:17 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 26, 2015, 06:43:38 PM
The Poll is getting tighter again, TP getting over 41% now, glad to see they are realising effective football is better for the club long term than the fantasy purist brand.
a whole point better, apparently.  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 26, 2015, 07:00:22 PM
I just want him to be given a fair crack of the whip over a decent amount of time , im not interested in Stoke fans view or 3 2 1 Dusty bin from Palace either...I will judge him on his time here and what we see on the pitch.
Early days but after a tricky start I'm starting to enjoy watching us a bit more , under Pulis defending will always come first but I believe we are seeing progress in attack with both McClean and Sess looking better each game and Rondon settling.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on October 26, 2015, 07:10:29 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 26, 2015, 07:00:22 PM
I just want him to be given a fair crack of the whip over a decent amount of time , im not interested in Stoke fans view or 3 2 1 Dusty bin from Palace either...I will judge him on his time here and what we see on the pitch.
Early days but after a tricky start I'm starting to enjoy watching us a bit more , under Pulis defending will always come first but I believe we are seeing progress in attack with both McClean and Sess looking better each game and Rondon settling.
In Pulis I trust -  I am more convinced than ever he is the right man at the right time at the right club and he will keep us mid table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 26, 2015, 07:15:53 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 26, 2015, 07:00:22 PM
I just want him to be given a fair crack of the whip over a decent amount of time , im not interested in Stoke fans view or 3 2 1 Dusty bin from Palace either...I will judge him on his time here and what we see on the pitch.
Early days but after a tricky start I'm starting to enjoy watching us a bit more , under Pulis defending will always come first but I believe we are seeing progress in attack with both McClean and Sess looking better each game and Rondon settling.

Exactly my view, before last Christmas our position was similar to Villa, the club was in a mess like Villa, the probable outcome was as bad as Villa's, we are now in a higher league position with a stable management structure and every reason to be optimistic, compare and contrast with Villa today!

Pulis is exactly the right man for our club at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 26, 2015, 07:27:21 PM
Using a metaphor for the building trade.....The way it may turn out, is that, he may be putting in the foundations for someone who will later come along and build a solid building.
Trouble is we all see the end result and marvel, but who remembers the bloke who did all the basics for it to be great?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 26, 2015, 07:38:18 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 26, 2015, 07:15:53 PM
Exactly my view, before last Christmas our position was similar to Villa, the club was in a mess like Villa, the probable outcome was as bad as Villa's, we are now in a higher league position with a stable management structure and every reason to be optimistic, compare and contrast with Villa today!

Pulis is exactly the right man for our club at the moment.
Don't get me wrong , there has been some poor perfomances no doubt and the Capital Cup line up was a disgrace yet we find ourselves with players of the calibre of Evans , Fletcher and Rondon....I know money talks but I can't see many of our previous H/C's luring players like that.
Small progression like this and we will be fine on the pitch .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on October 26, 2015, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on October 26, 2015, 01:01:25 PM
Naturally, which probably angered Stoke fans even more. If you look back my post from where this has stemmed is that I can imagine why Pulls split Stoke fans, and yet an Albion fan will always love Megson.

Just to respond to this one point you raised; I honestly don't think this is something which angers Stoke fans at all. It gets mentioned in passing at times, but as with everything Pulis, there's a view and a counterview.

The pro-Pulis brigade will argue that the foundations for Hughes' success have been built on Pulis signings. The anti-Pulis lot will say that Hughes got more out of those players than Pulis ever did. At the end of the day, it's not really much of an issue. All managers inherit players - neither Lampard or Terry were Mourinho signings for example.

Pulis signed some great players for Stoke. There's no doubt about that. He'll do the same for you. Every goalie he signed was exceptional, and obviously he knows his defenders. The problems lie elsewhere as I've referred to in previous posts.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 26, 2015, 11:00:12 PM
Pulis has 1 more point than Irvine had this time last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 26, 2015, 11:05:57 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 26, 2015, 06:43:38 PM
The Poll is getting tighter again, TP getting over 41% now, glad to see they are realising effective football is better for the club long term than the fantasy purist brand.
Given that there are only 2 possible styles of football of course......  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 26, 2015, 11:19:51 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 26, 2015, 11:00:12 PM
Pulis has 1 more point than Irvine had this time last season.

Well lets hope he picks up more points than Irvine did in his next 9.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 26, 2015, 11:34:31 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 26, 2015, 11:00:12 PM
Pulis has 1 more point than Irvine had this time last season.

Pulis has taken 40 points in his time here, Irvine wouldn't have got that in a full season never mind 28 games.

Stop with the comparison to the previous clown, it's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 27, 2015, 01:00:41 AM
Well, I don't think he'll be rowing across the Channel this Summer.

All the knives he's got stuck in his back may prove to be something of a burden  :o.

Oh well, never mind eh? All about opinions and that.
 ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 27, 2015, 07:20:15 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 26, 2015, 11:34:31 PM
Pulis has taken 40 points in his time here, Irvine wouldn't have got that in a full season never mind 28 games.

Stop with the comparison to the previous clown, it's embarrassing.
That is your opinion, which many will agree with, but opinion only.

Don't mean to point out the bleeding obvious but Pulis has been here longer and had two transfer windows to play with but has a similar record to the previous clown.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 27, 2015, 08:04:08 AM
Couple of interesting Pulis stats (and maybe why we work so hard on keeping a clean sheet).

When conceding first in a game only on two occasions have we salvaged any points from a game (West Ham away, his "first" game and Burnley, his "fifth" game.)

When conceding first, apart from in that first game against West Ham, we have always  conceded more than one goal.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 27, 2015, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on October 27, 2015, 07:20:15 AM
That is your opinion, which many will agree with, but opinion only.

Don't mean to point out the bleeding obvious but Pulis has been here longer and had two transfer windows to play with but has a similar record to the previous clown.

They do not have a similar record though.

Pulis 40 pts from 28 matches.

Irvine 17 pts from 19 matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 27, 2015, 02:09:02 PM
Indeed. If Irvine did better in December he would have saved his job and been given a 2nd window. Same can be said about Mel. If he didn't have a 17% win rate he would have had the summer window. Mel and Irvine not getting the results is down to Mel and Irvine.

Should Villa have kept Sherwood until January so he can have another window? Or were the results his undoing?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 27, 2015, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on October 27, 2015, 02:09:02 PM
Indeed. If Irvine did better in December he would have saved his job and been given a 2nd window. Same can be said about Mel. If he didn't have a 17% win rate he would have had the summer window. Mel and Irvine not getting the results is down to Mel and Irvine.

Should Villa have kept Sherwood until January so he can have another window? Or were the results his undoing?

Absolutely, I think he was doing a superb job  :).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 27, 2015, 04:26:19 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on October 27, 2015, 02:09:02 PM
Indeed. If Irvine did better in December he would have saved his job and been given a 2nd window. Same can be said about Mel. If he didn't have a 17% win rate he would have had the summer window. Mel and Irvine not getting the results is down to Mel and Irvine.

Should Villa have kept Sherwood until January so he can have another window? Or were the results his undoing?
Pepe Mel never had any transfer windows at Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on October 27, 2015, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on October 27, 2015, 04:26:19 PM
Pepe Mel never had any transfer windows at Albion.

He brought Thievy Bifouma in, therefore he must have had part of a window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on October 27, 2015, 05:01:26 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 27, 2015, 01:27:58 PM
They do not  gave a similar record though.

Pulis 40 pts from 28 matches.

Irvine 17 pts from 19 games

Can't agree more Jacko. I find it inconceivable that we have  - what appear to be intelligent people who continue to compare chalk with cheese!! Like you said earlier embarrassing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 27, 2015, 05:30:19 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on October 27, 2015, 04:26:19 PM
Pepe Mel never had any transfer windows at Albion.

Wikipedia says he took over on January 9th?

Anyway that's the point I was making. If he got more results he would have been backed in the summer window. Just like a Irvine would have been backed in the January window if he kept his job.

It's not unfair for them to have 1 window while Pulis has had 2. Just like it's not unfair for Sherwood. If those 3 guys did better they would have had more time and another window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 27, 2015, 08:20:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 27, 2015, 01:27:58 PM
They do not have a similar record though.

Pulis 40 pts from 28 matches.

Irvine 17 pts from 19 matches.

After 10 games at the start of last season Irvine had 13 points, Pulis has 14 points this season. You deride Irvine as a clown but Pulis has had much longer to work with the players and create his own squad for no greater return.

Bobby Gould won more matches than Irvine and Pulis put together, does that make him a great manager or is it just that it isn't a proper comparison?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 27, 2015, 08:24:16 PM
Quote from: MarkW on October 27, 2015, 04:51:12 PM
He brought Thievy Bifouma in, therefore he must have had part of a window.
They probably had him lined up to come in already. As I recall, no other players were signed during that window?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 27, 2015, 08:48:36 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on October 27, 2015, 08:20:03 PM
After 10 games at the start of last season Irvine had 13 points, Pulis has 14 points this season. You deride Irvine as a clown but Pulis has had much longer to work with the players and create his own squad for no greater return.

Bobby Gould won more matches than Irvine and Pulis put together, does that make him a great manager or is it just that it isn't a proper comparison?
In what Div?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 27, 2015, 08:49:58 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on October 27, 2015, 08:20:03 PM
After 10 games at the start of last season Irvine had 13 points, Pulis has 14 points this season. You deride Irvine as a clown but Pulis has had much longer to work with the players and create his own squad for no greater return.

Bobby Gould won more matches than Irvine and Pulis put together, does that make him a great manager or is it just that it isn't a proper comparison?

Ultimately no comparison can be deemed fair. It's as simple as that.

But TP won more points in his first 19 League Games than Irvine.

Irvine; 17 / Pulls; 27
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on October 27, 2015, 10:38:30 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on October 27, 2015, 08:49:58 PM
Ultimately no comparison can be deemed fair. It's as simple as that.

But TP won more points in his first 19 League Games than Irvine.

Irvine; 17 / Pulls; 27

Doesn't it also depend on the opposition and our position in the league. To many variables to base success purely on points won.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 28, 2015, 01:16:13 AM
Quote from: swad35 on October 27, 2015, 10:38:30 PM
Doesn't it also depend on the opposition and our position in the league. To many variables to base success purely on points won.

Far too many. Were the oppositions squad as strong. Was ours fully fit? Etc etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2015, 01:55:52 AM
It's just common sense. Irvine had more points after 10 games last season than Mourinho has this season. Who's the better football manager?

If you can't judge it on points gained then points per game and win percentage also put the clueless one nowhere near Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 28, 2015, 07:06:05 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2015, 01:55:52 AM
It's just common sense. Irvine had more points after 10 games last season than Mourinho has this season. Who's the better football manager?

If you can't judge it on points gained then points per game and win percentage also put the clueless one nowhere near Pulis.

Apart from the fact that Irvine was under pressure from day one, Mourinho would be under more threat than Irvine at the minute (and again you are not comparing two like for like subjects. Could Mourinho manage West Brom to Champions  League success?)
But fortunately, it's not just about the points. We are lucky that we can rely on watching exciting and entertaining football on a weekly basis too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on October 28, 2015, 07:44:21 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 26, 2015, 11:34:31 PM
Pulis has taken 40 points in his time here, Irvine wouldn't have got that in a full season never mind 28 games.

Stop with the comparison to the previous clown, it's embarrassing.

I agree I don't know why people still talk about Irvine and the dark period in the history of our club, we were terrible under his stewardship, the 3-0 defeat at Swansea summed it up so early on in the campaign it was clueless and disgraceful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2015, 08:11:08 AM
so he wants us to pump up the volume on Saturday, it really is difficult to get going if they come out laboured.
How do we make the noise levels of Norwich? maybe we need those shakers. I dont even think the liquadator helps anymore
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on October 28, 2015, 09:00:49 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on October 28, 2015, 07:06:05 AM
Apart from the fact that Irvine was under pressure from day one, Mourinho would be under more threat than Irvine at the minute (and again you are not comparing two like for like subjects. Could Mourinho manage West Brom to Champions  League success?)
But fortunately, it's not just about the points. We are lucky that we can rely on watching exciting and entertaining football on a weekly basis too.

Was it exciting and entertaining under Irvine??? I don't remember it being that way!!!

Irvine was under pressure from Day One because of his poor track record when in charge of clubs...the fans had every right to be concerned! For me, he did very little to suggest he knew what he was doing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on October 28, 2015, 09:42:54 AM
Selectively picking 10 games is a ridiculous method of comparing the two managers.
On that, Irvine can be compared to Mourinho... I mean last season means nothing after all.

Also, if Irvine had kept up that ratio for the season we would have picked up around 25 points in the total games he was the manager.

Irvine is not even close to the league manager that Pulis is and you don't need the stats from 10 games to know that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on October 28, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
I am by no means a fan of Pulis,but to compare Irvine against him is pretty lame tbh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 28, 2015, 04:53:52 PM
I agree comparing Irvine to Pulis is crazy, Pulisball might be horrific to watch but he does do the job he was employed to do (keep us up) Irvine for me is listed in my memory alongside Gould and Buckley as absolutely useless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tlms-p23 on October 28, 2015, 05:35:13 PM
It might be difficult to watch at times but credit where credit is due - 19 clean sheets since Pulis took over (16 in the league) is incredibly impressive. No chance we are going to go down while he is manager and what a luxury that is with the new TV deal from next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on October 28, 2015, 05:43:51 PM
His system speaks for itself. 8th in the premier. Tightened defence.

Who cares if we want 100 passes before it goes in!

Im entertained everytime we win, who are we too demand anything else!!

Tony Pulis barmy army
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 28, 2015, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2015, 08:11:08 AM
so he wants us to pump up the volume on Saturday, it really is difficult to get going if they come out laboured.
How do we make the noise levels of Norwich? maybe we need those shakers. I dont even think the liquadator helps anymore

Did Norwich make much noise, I hardly heard them.

If anyone doubts how well off we are with TP, take 10 minutes reading The Mix at the moment, totally deflated and going nowhere, and they know it.

Viva Tony Pulis! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on October 28, 2015, 11:56:44 PM
Whats the Mix ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wappingbaggie on October 29, 2015, 12:34:46 AM
Generally in the media, and by neutrals, I would say definitely yes.

Where Albion (and Stoke) fans there are some detractors, as we can all see on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 29, 2015, 05:09:52 AM
Can't agree with that link. Pulls spent a fortune at Stoke, if you look at how little revenue he brought into the club. There was an instance years ago he was bemoaning the spending power of one of the big clubs. When his opposite number was questioned about it he merely pointed out he'd in fact spent far less.

£33m net spend in 9 months here. He didn't hold back at Palace but most of his signings were undisclosed there. The figures don't lie.

I also find it condescending you refer to us as a yoyo club pre-Pulls when this is our sixth consecutive Premier League campaign. Only 24 Clubs in the history of the League can boast spending that time on the bounce in the Perm. All things in context, that's very impressive.

As for saying there's a link between passion and work rate, I think you're getting lost. That never say die attitude and willingness to put your body on the line are far more eye catching personally.

Honestly thought the article was drab. Pulls is like a tin of Ronsil with a Marmite finish. Does exactly what it says on the tin and still divides. Personally I think he's very well respected but unfortunately not overly liked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 29, 2015, 05:34:37 AM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on October 28, 2015, 11:56:44 PM
Whats the Mix ?
The Molineux Mix forum..... always good for a laugh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 29, 2015, 08:01:18 AM
I think he has he's detractors for a reason, he will keep us up and if he moves on after a few years and we replace him with a fool and go down he will be looked upon favourably by our fans for keeping us up I'm sure, especially the fans who want to see us in this league at all costs.

Hes style football wise and he's general persona are the reasons I don't take to him although I loved the Norwich performance and thought we struck a good balance.

I think it's very much a case of what it says on the tin like others have said, Nothing special bored to tears at times along with some great results but keeping us in the premiership, which we have been lucky to do a couple of times.

Could get a lot worse than Pulis if that's the way you think certainly in terms of what league we play in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on October 29, 2015, 08:13:59 AM
Pulis gets exactly what he deserves - he is derided by the football world as being a negative dinosaur who's teams are simply unbearable to watch.

He will get you results and keep you in the league, which he also gets a lot of credit for in the media. But the majority know exactly what he is about. I would suggest there are only two other clubs in the Premier League who would take Tony Pulis, and they are the two crisis clubs (Villa and Newcastle). Even then he would split opinion in the respective fanbases.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 29, 2015, 08:23:50 AM
we wont be on sky much with this football but that suits me because i dont miss games i have paid for
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on October 29, 2015, 08:29:34 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on October 29, 2015, 08:13:59 AM
Pulis gets exactly what he deserves - he is derided by the football world as being a negative dinosaur who's teams are simply unbearable to watch.

He will get you results and keep you in the league, which he also gets a lot of credit for in the media. But the majority know exactly what he is about. I would suggest there are only two other clubs in the Premier League who would take Tony Pulis, and they are the two crisis clubs (Villa and Newcastle). Even then he would split opinion in the respective fanbases.

I like how you inspire to more but there are more clubs than two who would want him certainly a fair percentage of clubs fans anyway, Bournemouth, Sunderland etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on October 29, 2015, 08:39:19 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on October 29, 2015, 08:29:34 AM
I like how you inspire to more but there are more clubs than two who would want him certainly a fair percentage of clubs fans anyway, Bournemouth, Sunderland etc.

Really? Would Sunderland swap Allardyce for Pulis? Would Bournemouth swap Eddie Howe?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 29, 2015, 09:06:15 AM
We have taken over from Stoke as the most the most hated team in the league that's credit to Pulis.....although tbf McClean and Berahino should take some of the credit for that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 29, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Another Pulis knocking thread :'(, get over yourselves. :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 29, 2015, 09:24:11 AM
When we surrender games like palace away and Norwich in the cup he deserves the criticism he gets. When he pulls results out the bag like man it's and palace last year I believe he gets the credit that's due also. I believe we are pretty fair with him.

This squad still isn't all his. It was and is still to an extent an aging squad that needed some tlc. We got rid of a lot of deadwood and I imagine Pulis will want to get rid of even more the longer he is here.

Pulis is the jekell and Hyde charchter for me. If we set up away like we did at Norwich with an intent to get a positive result Albion are very watchable however too many times we surrender games or go with no positive intent and it's awful on the eyes heart and soul. Similar can be said with home performances sometimes like west ham in cup last year and v Swansea it's enjoyable to watch others like Southampton at home this year you want to scratch your own eyes out.

I am still hoping Pulis is finding his best team/ strategy and hoping that as he eventually has 23 players he fancies rather than 17/18 tbat the football will improve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on October 29, 2015, 09:26:52 AM
I think he gets the credit he deserves from outside of the club.

An outsider can see he organises a team, gets them all pulling in the  right direction and grinds out results.

Some of our fans aint happy with the performances and the football being played and they are entitled to those opinions.

Personally I am glad hes our manager, his clean sheet record for us is quite frankly brilliant for a team placed were we are.

Im more than happy with him being our manager for the forseeable future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 29, 2015, 09:57:30 AM
I think Beechyboy summed it up spot on.

Personally if we have a go like we did at Villa, Norwich then no problem at all, there were games last season where we had a go too - Swansea, West Ham and Chelsea, even if we lose games now and again when having a go (like against Chelsea this season) got no problem. The key thing with all the above, with the exception of Chelsea this season, we won those games, that to me shows when we have a go, we win!

I also fully accept there will be away games (the big boys) when we shut up shop and hope to sneak a game from a setpiece, i dont agree with that approach but i understand it. However the fact that in the last nearly 11 months i can remember games almost on one hand when we had a go at winning says a lot, i understand to start it was going back to basics, clean sheets, hard to beat, but two transfer windows, a preseason, probably close on 30 games later, i would expect games like Villa and Norwich to be the normal rather than one offs.

I have said before, i hope i am wrong and that Pulis does make the more positive approach a regular thing, i really want him too, i like him and will gladly admit i was wrong but i just feel for every 1 positive game, we have 5 or 6 negatives ones, its effective but i think when people are paying a lot of money to watch multi millionaire players, there has to be some form of entertainment to it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 29, 2015, 10:29:24 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on October 29, 2015, 09:57:30 AM
I think Beechyboy summed it up spot on.

Personally if we have a go like we did at Villa, Norwich then no problem at all, there were games last season where we had a go too - Swansea, West Ham and Chelsea, even if we lose games now and again when having a go (like against Chelsea this season) got no problem. The key thing with all the above, with the exception of Chelsea this season, we won those games, that to me shows when we have a go, we win!

I also fully accept there will be away games (the big boys) when we shut up shop and hope to sneak a game from a setpiece, i dont agree with that approach but i understand it. However the fact that in the last nearly 11 months i can remember games almost on one hand when we had a go at winning says a lot, i understand to start it was going back to basics, clean sheets, hard to beat, but two transfer windows, a preseason, probably close on 30 games later, i would expect games like Villa and Norwich to be the normal rather than one offs.

I have said before, i hope i am wrong and that Pulis does make the more positive approach a regular thing, i really want him too, i like him and will gladly admit i was wrong but i just feel for every 1 positive game, we have 5 or 6 negatives ones, its effective but i think when people are paying a lot of money to watch multi millionaire players, there has to be some form of entertainment to it.
My sentiments as well, expressed far better than I could !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on October 29, 2015, 11:10:19 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on October 29, 2015, 09:57:30 AM
I think Beechyboy summed it up spot on.

Personally if we have a go like we did at Villa, Norwich then no problem at all, there were games last season where we had a go too - Swansea, West Ham and Chelsea, even if we lose games now and again when having a go (like against Chelsea this season) got no problem. The key thing with all the above, with the exception of Chelsea this season, we won those games, that to me shows when we have a go, we win!

I also fully accept there will be away games (the big boys) when we shut up shop and hope to sneak a game from a setpiece, i dont agree with that approach but i understand it. However the fact that in the last nearly 11 months i can remember games almost on one hand when we had a go at winning says a lot, i understand to start it was going back to basics, clean sheets, hard to beat, but two transfer windows, a preseason, probably close on 30 games later, i would expect games like Villa and Norwich to be the normal rather than one offs.

I have said before, i hope i am wrong and that Pulis does make the more positive approach a regular thing, i really want him too, i like him and will gladly admit i was wrong but i just feel for every 1 positive game, we have 5 or 6 negatives ones, its effective but i think when people are paying a lot of money to watch multi millionaire players, there has to be some form of entertainment to it.


To be fair to Pulis I think with the squad we have he is very dependent on certain players.


Dawson          McAuley                Evans           Brunt

                      Fletcher                 Yacob

When we line up with the above, I think we generally do Ok. However if just one of these players are missing we struggle because our squad depth is very shallow in terms of any real quality. It can't help performances when the base of our team is affected, as that is the foundation we work off.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 29, 2015, 11:37:50 AM
Personally I think on the whole he does get the credit he deserves, more from the media than from ourselves. He has an excellent reputation for setting teams up not to concede and when we are on the TV now you will always get the 'hard to break down' comments about the Albion.

We need to give him credit for saving us from relegation last season, for making our defence a lot tighter [the clean sheets says it all] and the Berahino sideshow. I thought he handled the latter really well. It could be an awful lot worse right now, we could be in the bottom three, have a clueless manager, a disenchanted team and a sulky non performing top striker. Although some of our performances have been questionable, we are 10th in the league in one of the best leagues in the world.

Just be thankful you are not a vile fan........ :)

and the fact that we have one of the only two managers who can get you out of relegation trouble - what the vile would give for Pulis at the moment!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 29, 2015, 11:42:17 AM
if you can't support the manager, it makes it impossible to support the team.

some people just like complaining. i try not to listen. if they feel they are being served up a load of pooh every other week, they should stop going. simple.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 29, 2015, 11:50:02 AM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on October 29, 2015, 11:42:17 AM
if you can't support the manager, it makes it impossible to support the team.

some people just like complaining. i try not to listen. if they feel they are being served up a load of rubbish every other week, they should stop going. simple.

if you can't support the manager, it makes it impossible to support the team.

That statement is absolute rubbish, I cannot abide Tony Pulis in defensive mode, (majority of the time to date) I can rationalise why he does it, but doesn't mean i have to like it. BUT its makes me no less of a supporter of the team and club , ##As is often stated we will be here long after TP has gone (health permitting)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 29, 2015, 12:09:26 PM
He gets both the credit and criticism that he deserves.

He gets credit for getting results, even his most ardent critics don't argue this point.

He also gets criticised for his style of play and even his most ardent supporters don't argue this point.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 29, 2015, 12:14:52 PM
Wonder if we will see some positive threads on here again.....ever?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2015, 12:32:26 PM
No he does not. Him and Hodgson the best two managers we've had for a very long time. We just need to be a bit more pleasing on the eye at times but what a great job Pulis has done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on October 29, 2015, 01:11:14 PM
No! Of course there is room for improvement but he is doing a cracking job overall.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on October 29, 2015, 01:12:20 PM
Pulis is brilliant at what he does. Whats to complain about
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 29, 2015, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: Tipton Baggie on October 29, 2015, 01:12:20 PM
Pulis is brilliant at what he does. Whats to complain about

8th in the league and beaten once away from home.....not much too complain about there

I do however think the football 75% of the time is awful, we are still trying to find the right balance.

Pulis should take huge plaudits for what he has done so far even if you dont like the football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on October 29, 2015, 01:26:28 PM
No he doesn't- not from our fans anyway
TP has developed a style of play that he can put in at any club he moves to that guarantees that his teams will be hard to beat. If you don't concede you cant lose
Like most on here I agree that  the style needs to be tweaked but its still early days and I believe he needs 2 more transfer windows to get what he wants
Think of it this way-if he were unemployed at present would you want him to take the Villa job-theres your answer
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 29, 2015, 01:39:24 PM
Like I've said before if Pulis or 'TP' is so well thought of by our fans why wasn't his name mentioned on here or anywhere else when RDM was sacked or when Roy left? Because nobody wanted him. Not once did I read Pulis is the man for us, why was that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 29, 2015, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: Albionic on October 29, 2015, 11:50:02 AM
if you can't support the manager, it makes it impossible to support the team.

That statement is absolute rubbish, I cannot abide Tony Pulis in defensive mode, (majority of the time to date) I can rationalise why he does it, but doesn't mean i have to like it. BUT its makes me no less of a supporter of the team and club , ##As is often stated we will be here long after TP has gone (health permitting)

What about the fans who want West Brom to go down in the hope of Pulis getting the sack? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on October 29, 2015, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on October 29, 2015, 01:39:24 PM
Like I've said before if Pulis or 'TP' is so well thought of by our fans why wasn't his name mentioned on here or anywhere else when RDM was sacked or when Roy left? Because nobody wanted him. Not once did I read Pulis is the man for us, why was that?
good point,nobody wanted him that's why,we only wanted him when we were dead certs for relegation when Irvine was sacked,when we top half of table under hodgson,clarke,rdm for a while,we would have all taken the mickey out of pulis his style of football and the teams he managed, I credit him for the Norwich and villa away performances,realising sess should play,bringing evans to the club,but that's about it so far
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on October 29, 2015, 01:57:38 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on October 29, 2015, 01:48:15 PM
What about the fans who want West Brom to go down in the hope of Pulis getting the sack?
I cant believe anyone wants this mate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 29, 2015, 02:13:52 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on October 29, 2015, 01:39:24 PM
Like I've said before if Pulis or 'TP' is so well thought of by our fans why wasn't his name mentioned on here or anywhere else when RDM was sacked or when Roy left? Because nobody wanted him. Not once did I read Pulis is the man for us, why was that?

Probably because he wasn't an option for us as he was already employed by Stoke at the time. It would have been pointless speculating about manager we could not realistically get. However, I understand where you are coming from, he probably wasn't mentioned at the time as we had expectations about the style of football we wanted to play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 29, 2015, 02:31:31 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on October 29, 2015, 01:39:24 PM
Like I've said before if Pulis or 'TP' is so well thought of by our fans why wasn't his name mentioned on here or anywhere else when RDM was sacked or when Roy left? Because nobody wanted him. Not once did I read Pulis is the man for us, why was that?

Pulis was at Stoke when RDM left. When Hodgson left we were a very strong Premier League outfit. Fans wanted someone to open up the football slightly. When Clarke left many fans were mystified how a team that finished 8th was doing so badly. Clarkes negative football got the blame so we welcomed a pressing attacking coach. By the time Irvine left we were a crisis club. Pulis garden leave had coincidentally finished. It was a no brainer for guaranteed survival for as long as we want it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 29, 2015, 02:58:20 PM
Hodgson was available when RDM left. After working wonders at Fulham it went south at Liverpool but he remained the outstanding choice. Can't even remember anyone wanting anybody else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2015, 03:06:38 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on October 29, 2015, 02:58:20 PM
Hodgson was available when RDM left. After working wonders at Fulham it went south at Liverpool but he remained the outstanding choice. Can't even remember anyone wanting anybody else.

Chris Hughton was favourite back then if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 29, 2015, 03:40:03 PM
Saying he was at Stoke is irrelevant, Martinez was at Wigan but there were lots of people wanting him..... But not 'TP', he was never ever mentioned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 29, 2015, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: darbolina on October 29, 2015, 12:14:52 PM
Wonder if we will see some positive threads on here again.....ever?
If we carry on the Norwich performance, I think so. I know some people will never have him, but in the main he is respected for his results, most just want to see a bit more in an attacking sense.

The mood has changed dramatically from Palace to Norwich, so the signs are there.

More positive style, more positive comments.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 29, 2015, 04:32:42 PM
The situation (IMO) is
1. a very small % don't want TP here, they have made their minds up and thats it for them.

2. a larger percentage will tolerate TP for a season if he achieves the clubs objectives and performances improve from the state they were prior to norwich (league) (I'm in this group)

3. another significant percentage are in the "if he keeps us up he's doing his job and survival and mediocre performances will do area

4. another very small % love the defensive style and think TP is best thing since sliced bread (weird expression isn't that)

As has been said any times he sure does divide opinion, and there will be ebb and flow of the fans from groups 2 & 3 dependant upon results and performance week by week. it won't be boring thats for sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 29, 2015, 04:41:51 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on October 29, 2015, 03:40:03 PM
Saying he was at Stoke is irrelevant, Martinez was at Wigan but there were lots of people wanting him..... But not 'TP', he was never ever mentioned.

Not irrelevant at all. He was under contract and would have cost money - its a factor to take into consideration.

Is that the same Martinez who was in charge of Wigan in 2013 when they were relegated? Some clubs may have wanted him, but who seriously came in for him with a compensation package?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 29, 2015, 04:54:30 PM
We must have done as we interviewed him twice but he didn't want it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2015, 05:19:02 PM
I can't remember anyone on here saying they ever wanted Martinez, that was because his Wigan team spent most of their time in the bottom three.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on October 29, 2015, 06:36:57 PM
No-one ever takes into account resources when taking about any of our managers.

The people who expect TP to produce a stylish attacking team overnight are living in cloud cuckoo land. We don't have the cash to do it.

He needs to be given the time to build the squad bit by bit. It's not going to happen overnight because JP isn't a sugar daddy and he isn't going to finance it. I reckon we need another five or six quality players to be consistently top-ten competitive.

If we get a squad akin to the one TP had at Crystal Palace I'll be happy. No-one can say his Palace team weren't exciting to watch and look how Pardew has been able to build on the solid foundations laid down by TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 29, 2015, 06:45:50 PM
Pulis' football was ok at Palace but it wasn't amazing, the way people talk about it they were somewhere between Real Madrid and the 1970 Brazil national team. Most of there fans weren't sorry he left as they knew the longer he was there the worse it would get, like us last year he did a great job no question and we should have parted company in the summer, Palace and Stoke are playing in a way that would have been impossible with Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 29, 2015, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on October 29, 2015, 06:45:50 PM
Pulis' football was ok at Palace but it wasn't amazing, the way people talk about it they were somewhere between Real Madrid and the 1970 Brazil national team. Most of there fans weren't sorry he left as they knew the longer he was there the worse it would get, like us last year he did a great job no question and we should have parted company in the summer, Palace and Stoke are playing in a way that would have been impossible with Pulis.

Again a lot of Palace fans are bitter the way he left. They were extremely lucky to get him when they did and then when Newcastle fans alienated Pardew.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 29, 2015, 09:50:22 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 29, 2015, 08:19:47 PM
Again a lot of Palace fans are bitter the way he left. They were extremely lucky to get him when they did and then when Newcastle fans alienated Pardew.
Very much so. I think they fell in love with him as he proved they could be more than relegation fodder and marched them up the leagues, only to leave one day before kick-off and leave them in a hole.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on October 30, 2015, 04:20:37 AM
This man knows his job whenever he leaves I expect us to be in a much better state than now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 30, 2015, 06:56:02 AM
Yes. Most supporters acknowledge his cynical "no defeat" philosophy to football, which if everyone adopted would kill the game as a spectacle, and most pundits/chairmen see him as the go to man for avoiding relegation at all costs due to the first point (and being good at it).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on October 30, 2015, 08:05:35 AM
TP is the Red Adair of the football world and certainly is able to fight fires very successfully in desperate situations. Whether he can produce a team that people want to watch on a regular basis is another matter. Having said that if he can get the team battling, organised and wins more than he loses most teams fans would accept that. Let's face it - we've watched some very poor football in recent years from managers who are supposed to play so called more attractive football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 30, 2015, 09:39:40 AM
What does annoy me is when people say fans are being unrealistic and that he has to be given time and the more positive stuff will come as though positive stuff is the impossible dream.

All coaches should be given time, no point sacking managers every few months, also i understand that when managers first come in they sometimes go back to basics, get points on the board and build again, i felt towards the end of last season that was exactly what Pulis had done, there were one off games last year when i hoped the approach to games was the sign of things to come, i thought with a proper pre-season this could be a decent season ahead, and those one off games would be come more regular and was looking forward to it.

However i am disappointed, in 12 games this season i would say we have approached the game in a positive manner in 3 of those, Chelsea at home, Villa and Norwich away, thats it, thats 1 in every 4 games we attempt to win and i do expect more, i acknowledge we have got some decent results but to watch has been like pub football.

We went out a winnable cup with a whimper despite all the fighting talk, not scoring a goal in two games so to me that adds more pressure to us to adopt a positive approach for league games because as a fan there is nothing to look forward to as a sideline, ie - a cup run.

Its not like we have a team of no hopers or such bad attacking players that we have to rely on defence. Going forward we have Morrison who has been a first choice under every manager, Mclean who has been better than i thought he would be, Sess who though frustrating is a game changer, Anichebe who as a super sub is a also a game changer, a young english natural goalscorer in Berahino and a powerful targetman in Rondon who when given service, looks a very useful player. Also you have Mcmanaman who i havent seen what he has done wrong to be over looked, Gnabry who has a great reputation (not just at Arsenal) and Lambert who has a decent CV but at the moment hasnt got going.

That isnt a bad group of attacking players at all so there is no excuse for being negative 75% of matches. Norwich was a good performance and if we can do that for say 3 in every 4 or 5 games then i will be over the moon and also confident we would have the same if not better points on board that the negative approach.

Personally i give Pulis credit for the job he did last season and the way he organises our defence but i do expect more positive stuff, i dont mean all out attack or fancy passing, just positive approaches to games, hopefully the back to back wins means he has points on board and the shackles come off and that was the plan all along, time will tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 30, 2015, 09:49:33 AM
He will get the credit from me when he deserves it but he doesn't all the time.

He deserves credit for our last 2 wins, I don't really blame him for Everton,bbutninwont accept Palace and Watford away. Unacceptable game plans in my opinion and he deserves criticism for them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 30, 2015, 10:31:00 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on October 30, 2015, 06:56:02 AM
Yes. Most supporters acknowledge his cynical "no defeat" philosophy to football, which if everyone adopted would kill the game as a spectacle, and most pundits/chairmen see him as the go to man for avoiding relegation at all costs due to the first point (and being good at it).

I don't understand how Pulis gets labelled as cynical while other managers get away with it? A manager like Wenger telling his players to dive and feign injury is ok because they pass it around first? But Pulis trying to get a result his way makes him a cynical dinosaur because he doesn't pass as much?  :D

All good managers put the result over the performance. So deep down they will all be cynical in their own way. Look how many claim for penalties and free kicks when they know their player dived. Look how many claim for a throw in when they know their winger kicked the ball out of play. Look how many bash the fourth officials ear (or get the assistant to do it) every time a decision does against them. Are the managers that play passing football allowed to do that while Pulis, Big Sam etc are not?

The second point is also a bit baffling about not trying to lose. What's the point in turning up on a Saturday if you have no chance of getting a result? (A draw can still be a good result against a better team.) Imagine his pre match team talk: "Right lads there's no chance of winning today. Jonny, you and Macca stay back while everyone else goes forward to do what they want. We might nick a goal so we won't be last on Match Of The Day. Good luck."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 30, 2015, 10:48:06 AM
Personally i am not bothered about 'passing' football, in a ideal world it would be great to play lovely football but its not an ideal world.

All i want is some positive football, whether its getting the ball out to wide men, get them running at people or putting crosses into players in the box (not having to go backwards all the time because they arent allowed over the half way line, ie - Palace) Or some playing upto the big man (not always meaning hoof) he holds it up, brings people into play and we attack with numbers.

Thats all i want, some positive approach and intent to win, we can do it, we showed saturday at Norwich, we showed at Villa and we showed a few times last season and we look a good side when we do it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 30, 2015, 12:00:47 PM
i think this analogy is spot on

TP is the Red Adair of the football world and certainly is able to fight fires very successfully in desperate situations.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 30, 2015, 01:00:46 PM
Quote from: Albionic on October 30, 2015, 12:00:47 PM
i think this analogy is spot on

TP is the Red Adair of the football world and certainly is able to fight fires very successfully in desperate situations.

He also built an extremely average Championship club into a Premier League mainstay. The analogy only really applies to the last 2 Premier League seasons before this one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 01, 2015, 11:21:40 AM
Everytime Pulis manages something positive and improves his insane in my eyes his failings destroy what he achieved the week previous.I'm aware some very awful officals didn't help us yesterday but team selection and subs again didn't help us.

Dawson struggled all game v the pace of slupp mahrez and albrighton and arguably it could be said the alienated Gamboa may have been a better selection for this game.

It baffles me how he doesn't bring on mcmannaman earlier if not start him over McLean. Also with regard to fletcher, he was a useful leader for 6 months but it is painfully obvious how slow h is how poor in posssession and that he hinders the team. 2 very able captains playing centre back... Wouldn't have fletcher in team as Yacob does his job far mre capably and Morrison offers some pace and creativity in the centre of midfield. Berahino hasn't been at the races for weeks maybe it's time for lambert to start.

Brunt injured logically Pulis would bring in poco but he won't I bet Evans will go left back and James Chester or Olsson if fit will come I to team.

We have conceded 3 goals at home 4 times this season and only won 1 game very luckily. In fact te games we have won have been against possibly the only poorer sides than us in league and a depleted 9 man stoke.

I want to see Pulis use macmanaman more. I want to see fletcher out that team for Morrison. We can't defend our leads agaiabt better teams were not good enough. Pace and power destroy us. The Pulis project pi$$es me off on a weekly basis, I try to support the bloke as he is open and likeable but his management is so poor
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 02, 2015, 01:00:13 PM
Some observations from the match:

-The game was far too open in the first half. TP deserves blame for this. Why play a high line against a team which thrives on the break with all the pace they've got? It was no surprise that Leicester had more chances at 0-0 than they did once Albion went 1-0 ahead and sat deeper.

-Evans was once again superb. MotM for me. Was a rock at Carrow Road and once again impressed; throwing himself in front of a couple of dangerous shots.

-McAuley was splendid as well. There were a couple of occasions where he got isolated with Vardy but he did brilliantly to stand up to him.

- Dawson was very good in the first half and blocked a number of crosses. Not as good in the second but still solid.

- As for others, Yacob and McClean were dependable as ever while Rondon and Sessegnon looked very good.

-Fletcher wasn't up to his usual standards but Berahino was probably the poorest of the lot. Barely made any impact and was deservedly taken off for Lambert who did well.


In all, a pretty decent performance. Albion defended very well once they went ahead. Just a real pity Brunt lost Mahrez for Leicester's equalizer. Make no mistake. The goal had not been coming.

Should have had at least one, if not two, penalties. Then they score a second which was actually offside. After that West Brom had a right go and were very unlucky not to score a third.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on November 02, 2015, 01:09:19 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on November 02, 2015, 01:00:13 PM
Some observations from the match:

-The game was far too open in the first half. TP deserves blame for this. Why play a high line against a team which thrives on the break with all the pace they've got? It was no surprise that Leicester had more chances at 0-0 than they did once Albion went 1-0 ahead and sat deeper.

-Evans was once again superb. MotM for me. Was a rock at Carrow Road and once again impressed; throwing himself in front of a couple of dangerous shots.

-McAuley was splendid as well. There were a couple of occasions where he got isolated with Vardy but he did brilliantly to stand up to him.

- Dawson was very good in the first half and blocked a number of crosses. Not as good in the second but still solid.

- As for others, Yacob and McClean were dependable as ever while Rondon and Sessegnon looked very good.

-Fletcher wasn't up to his usual standards but Berahino was probably the poorest of the lot. Barely made any impact and was deservedly taken off for Lambert who did well.


In all, a pretty decent performance. Albion defended very well once they went ahead. Just a real pity Brunt lost Mahrez for Leicester's equalizer. Make no mistake. The goal had not been coming.

Should have had at least one, if not two, penalties. Then they score a second which was actually offside. After that West Brom had a right go and were very unlucky not to score a third.
Think you've gave us the benefit of the doubt on a few points there.

They was switching wings and targetting us all the time down the flanks. Between albrighton and mahrez they tore brunt & dawson a new one. The failure to defend a lead is getting worrying
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 02, 2015, 01:14:53 PM
I've been saying for weeks any manager with an ounce of common sense will target our full backs, scrub that! people playing in full back positions.

the guys have have done their very best, but they are out of position and it tells !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 02, 2015, 01:20:35 PM
it's not just our fullbacks though.

there was a pretty good discussion on MOTD last night about it. It seems that pretty much every club is having a similar problem which they've put down to left/right backs being more attack minded and not being able to defend that well...certainly not at cross stopping.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 02, 2015, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: Tipton Baggie on November 02, 2015, 01:09:19 PM
Think you've gave us the benefit of the doubt on a few points there.

They was switching wings and targetting us all the time down the flanks. Between albrighton and mahrez they tore brunt & dawson a new one. The failure to defend a lead is getting worrying

For all their passing and switching of play, how many times did they actually threaten? The Mahrez header was the only chance they created once Albion took the lead. Then Brunt goes to sleep and Mahrez makes it 1-1. A pity, because up until that point the team had been defending well and were looking a threat on the counterattack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 02, 2015, 05:34:40 PM
Been charged by the FA with improper conduct.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 02, 2015, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on November 02, 2015, 05:34:40 PM
Been charged by the FA with improper conduct.


i am suprised no one ran on the pitch to nut the ref, i can totally understand Pulis being angry.
Quite possibly considering the position the ref was in the worst decisions i have witnessed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 02, 2015, 05:42:17 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 02, 2015, 01:14:53 PM
I've been saying for weeks any manager with an ounce of common sense will target our full backs, scrub that! people playing in full back positions.

the guys have have done their very best, but they are out of position and it tells !

For Brunt I agree. He's not a natural fullback and it showed against Palace when he was given a torrid time by Zaha. If I were the manager, I'd play Chester at left back and move Brunt to left wing.

Disagree strongly on Dawson, though. He's done very well defensively and even against Leicester (especially in the first half), he was quite solid and blocked a lot of crosses.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on November 02, 2015, 06:07:58 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on November 02, 2015, 01:00:13 PM
Some observations from the match:

-The game was far too open in the first half. TP deserves blame for this. Why play a high line against a team which thrives on the break with all the pace they've got? It was no surprise that Leicester had more chances at 0-0 than they did once Albion went 1-0 ahead and sat deeper.

-Evans was once again superb. MotM for me. Was a rock at Carrow Road and once again impressed; throwing himself in front of a couple of dangerous shots.

-McAuley was splendid as well. There were a couple of occasions where he got isolated with Vardy but he did brilliantly to stand up to him.

- Dawson was very good in the first half and blocked a number of crosses. Not as good in the second but still solid.

- As for others, Yacob and McClean were dependable as ever while Rondon and Sessegnon looked very good.

-Fletcher wasn't up to his usual standards but Berahino was probably the poorest of the lot. Barely made any impact and was deservedly taken off for Lambert who did well.


In all, a pretty decent performance. Albion defended very well once they went ahead. Just a real pity Brunt lost Mahrez for Leicester's equalizer. Make no mistake. The goal had not been coming.

Should have had at least one, if not two, penalties. Then they score a second which was actually offside. After that West Brom had a right go and were very unlucky not to score a third.
I saw most of the first half on a stream, and then till they scored their second, and it did look like they suckered us into playing a more open game than usual.  They were always more likely to get the odd goal in a high scoring game - but if we'd shut up shop and drawn 1-1, people would have gone ballistic on here!

PS I see he's up for a fine for having a go at the ref.  I reckon he's trying to "take one for the team" here, a few years ago he kicked up a right media storm after a few pens went against Stoke, lo and behold, they got a few going their way straight afterwards.  He is a respected manager, so if he gets the refs going out with that at the back of their minds, however vaguely, it would be worth his fine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on November 02, 2015, 06:11:00 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on November 02, 2015, 05:34:40 PM
Been charged by the FA with improper conduct.
The refs ears are obviously better than his eyes!! Didnt Brunt get done for the same with this ref ??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 02, 2015, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on November 02, 2015, 06:11:00 PM
The refs ears are obviously better than his eyes!! Didnt Brunt get done for the same with this ref ??
Think you're right....it was the Villa game when Yacob got sent off I think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on November 02, 2015, 09:14:20 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on November 02, 2015, 05:34:40 PM
Been charged by the FA with improper conduct.

Maybe the FA should charge the referee with improper conduct too?

Absolute shocking display!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 02, 2015, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on November 02, 2015, 05:42:17 PM
For Brunt I agree. He's not a natural fullback and it showed against Palace when he was given a torrid time by Zaha. If I were the manager, I'd play Chester at left back and move Brunt to left wing.

Disagree strongly on Dawson, though. He's done very well defensively and even against Leicester (especially in the first half), he was quite solid and blocked a lot of crosses.

 in fairness, Craig has generally been solid, but Schlupp made him look ordinary last season and they clearly targeted him again. I expect more and more "exposed full backs" as the season progresses
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on November 03, 2015, 06:21:20 AM
Is the 'improper conduct' charge that the FA have levelled against TP anything to do with the fact that he 'improperly' played players in full back positions?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on November 03, 2015, 08:58:18 AM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on November 02, 2015, 05:42:17 PM
For Brunt I agree. He's not a natural fullback and it showed against Palace when he was given a torrid time by Zaha. If I were the manager, I'd play Chester at left back and move Brunt to left wing.

Disagree strongly on Dawson, though. He's done very well defensively and even against Leicester (especially in the first half), he was quite solid and blocked a lot of crosses.

What has Chester shown to suggest he could be a good left back??? He looks lost at right back, his stronger side!!!

He's a centre half, not a full-back!

And if you move Brunt to left wing, you would drop Mcclean I assume, who you have been raving about in recent weeks??? Brunt into midfield is a backwards step for me - we are looking for more pace, guile and flair!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 03, 2015, 09:58:48 AM
Other teams have sussed that we are weak on the left side. Dealafaou gave Brunt a hard time and Leicester clearly knew our weakness by the amount of play that came down the left side on Saturday [and identified in a clerar graphic on MOTD]. Hopefully TP will give Poc a run out now that Brunt is injured. Moving him into midfield is not the answer I'm afraid, a few months ago we were all saying that he is finished in this position, so what has changed ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 03, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
Quote from: AshD on November 03, 2015, 08:58:18 AM
What has Chester shown to suggest he could be a good left back??? He looks lost at right back, his stronger side!!!

He's a centre half, not a full-back!

He had a difficult few games early on, but I thought he did well against Palace. Also it's clear Pulis doesn't fancy Gamboa or Pocognoli to play there, so that leaves Chester who I think could grow into the role if given a run of matches.
 
Quote from: AshD on November 03, 2015, 08:58:18 AM
And if you move Brunt to left wing, you would drop Mcclean I assume, who you have been raving about in recent weeks??? Brunt into midfield is a backwards step for me - we are looking for more pace, guile and flair!!!

I'd drop Berahino, move McClean to right wing and play Morrison/Sessegnon further forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 03, 2015, 12:09:05 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on November 03, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
He had a difficult few games early on, but I thought he did well against Palace. Also it's clear Pulis doesn't fancy Gamboa or Pocognoli to play there, so that leaves Chester who think could grow into the role if given a run of matches.
 
I'd drop Berahino, move McClean to right wing and play Morrison/Sessegnon further forward.

We'd be the most unbalanced side in the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on November 03, 2015, 01:27:27 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on November 03, 2015, 12:09:05 PM
We'd be the most unbalanced side in the league.

To be fair to fpv, playing a winger on the 'wrong' wing is becoming the norm these days. Left footers on the right and right footers on the left so they can cut inside to shoot or play through balls on their dominant foot.

For the full back position Chelsea stormed the league last season with right footed Azpilequata at left back. Sir Alex Ferguson played right footers Denis Irwin, Phil Neville and Jon O'Shea many games at left back in his Man United days. As for Pulis, he got to the FA Cup final playing right footed Marc Wilson at left back... Who needs balance ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 03, 2015, 01:34:22 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 03, 2015, 09:58:48 AM
Other teams have sussed that we are weak on the left side. Dealafaou gave Brunt a hard time and Leicester clearly knew our weakness by the amount of play that came down the left side on Saturday [and identified in a clerar graphic on MOTD]. Hopefully TP will give Poc a run out now that Brunt is injured. Moving him into midfield is not the answer I'm afraid, a few months ago we were all saying that he is finished in this position, so what has changed ?
Wasn't it down their left and attacking our right? Picking Sess, despite his defensive improvement,  means that the full back will get more exposed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 03, 2015, 01:53:03 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on November 03, 2015, 01:27:27 PM
To be fair to fpv, playing a winger on the 'wrong' wing is becoming the norm these days. Left footers on the right and right footers on the left so they can cut inside to shoot or play through balls on their dominant foot.

McLean has never struck me as the type of player who'd be comfortable cutting in. Always looked at his best as a direct, out and out winger... and playing Chester LB would be suicide.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 03, 2015, 02:35:27 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on November 03, 2015, 01:34:22 PM
Wasn't it down their left and attacking our right? Picking Sess, despite his defensive improvement,  means that the full back will get more exposed.

Thanks VVV, you are right for the Leicester game, they targeted Dawson and our right for that game. Everton and Palace had a good go at our left........ my mistake.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BRIAN on November 03, 2015, 07:19:37 PM
I think TP  should send the photo out of the E&S today to that so-called ref we had last on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 06, 2015, 05:26:50 PM
TP in pre-match press conference: "We'll pick a team which will have to run around a lot tomorrow"

Probably means Gardner starting is a certainty.

He also mentioned the team still being a bit unbalanced and is looking to make a few additions in the transfer window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 06, 2015, 06:30:27 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on November 06, 2015, 05:26:50 PM
TP in pre-match press conference: "We'll pick a team which will have to run around a lot tomorrow"

Probably means Gardner starting is a certainty.

He also mentioned the team still being a but unbalanced and is looking to make a few additions in the transfer window.

Rules Jonas and Vic out of contention then ! (joke)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 07, 2015, 05:13:38 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 06, 2015, 06:30:27 PM
Rules Jonas and Vic out of contention then ! (joke)
Don't know why you put joke at the end. Seems fair comment to me and accurate as well
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 09, 2015, 05:40:33 AM
With David Mayes set for the axe today do you think this has the potential to increase the pressure on Pulls? I'm a TP fan but when one of The Premiership's best ever managers (notably when you consider the financial constraints he worked under) becomes available under performing mangers at attractive clubs will surely begin to feel the heat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 09, 2015, 07:54:13 AM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on November 09, 2015, 05:40:33 AM
With David Mayes set for the axe today do you think this has the potential to increase the pressure on Pulls? I'm a TP fan but when one of The Premiership's best ever managers (notably when you consider the financial constraints he worked under) becomes available under performing mangers at attractive clubs will surely begin to feel the heat.

We are not an attractive club even less so if we sack a 4th manager in 3 seasons. We are also not under performing, to the wider public difficult to beat 13th place West Brom is the most we can get.

Moyes would have very little interest in coming here anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2015, 08:03:19 AM
Another manager whos football is like watching paint dry
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 09, 2015, 08:04:38 AM
Moyes wouldnt be coming here.

He will more than likely sit and wait for the Newcastle job to become available.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 09, 2015, 08:05:54 AM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on November 09, 2015, 05:40:33 AM
With David Mayes set for the axe today do you think this has the potential to increase the pressure on Pulls? I'm a TP fan but when one of The Premiership's best ever managers (notably when you consider the financial constraints he worked under) becomes available under performing mangers at attractive clubs will surely begin to feel the heat.

Personally I don't think Moyes is that good. I dont think TP is under performing and I don't think that there will be that much interest in Moyes TBH. If he does get sacked today then that is the sack from his last two clubs for under performance.

We need to see the post Berahinho side that TP puts out before we truly judge him, and he needs a couple of more transfer windows for that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2015, 08:39:37 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 09, 2015, 08:05:54 AM
Personally I don't think Moyes is that good. I dont think TP is under performing and I don't think that there will be that much interest in Moyes TBH. If he does get sacked today then that is the sack from his last two clubs for under performance.

We need to see the post Berahinho side that TP puts out before we truly judge him, and he needs a couple of more transfer windows for that.


i agree. overated
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on November 09, 2015, 09:13:59 AM
Still early days yet after 19 games I think we will have a better indication of where we will finish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 09, 2015, 10:01:02 AM
If you set aside the negative football for a moment TP is pretty much doing what you would expect of him. If Moyes becomes available I wouldn't be banging the drum for him to replace TP. Much has been made of the financial constraints that he operated under at Everton but in relative terms he would have always had a bigger player budget than any Albion manager has ever had.

On the subject of Pulis you can give him as many transfer windows and as much money as you like, even a completely new squad hand picked to his exact requirements and he will still be playing negative football it might be a little bit more effective but I doubt it would be better to watch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 09, 2015, 10:04:38 AM
just hope and prey that he signs a winger that is quick and tricky as sessengon, works as hard as mclean and can cross as well as brunt... too much to ask?

perhaps a powerful and quick box to box midfielder to replace fletcher and some full back options come jan then will his tactics be more effective?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2015, 10:43:10 AM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on November 09, 2015, 10:04:38 AM
just hope and prey that he signs a winger that is quick and tricky as sessengon, works as hard as mclean and can cross as well as brunt... too much to ask?

perhaps a powerful and quick box to box midfielder to replace fletcher and some full back options come jan then will his tactics be more effective?

going to need a forward too, to replace Saido if when he goes, so once again we need half a team bringing in ! FRUSTRATING
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 09, 2015, 11:17:34 AM
Quote from: Standaman on November 09, 2015, 10:01:02 AM
If you set aside the negative football for a moment TP is pretty much doing what you would expect of him. If Moyes becomes available I wouldn't be banging the drum for him to replace TP. Much has been made of the financial constraints that he operated under at Everton but in relative terms he would have always had a bigger player budget than any Albion manager has ever had.

On the subject of Pulis you can give him as many transfer windows and as much money as you like, even a completely new squad hand picked to his exact requirements and he will still be playing negative football it might be a little bit more effective but I doubt it would be better to watch.
Agree on both points.
TP is bang on target with regards to his pre season remit and, as no-one does Pulis better than Pulis, the only reason to get rid would be to play better football (agree again that this will not happen even if he has a dozen transfer windows), which would be a massive risk to our PL status. Personally I think it a risk worth taking, should the right manager become available, but Moyes is not that manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendo on November 09, 2015, 12:31:37 PM
How much longer is Pulis going to keep covering for Berahino ? The latest one is a classic, He aint fit now. Well who,s to blame there then, don,t we have fitness coaches. If fitness is the problem, don't play him. Then he as just found out that we are an unbalanced side, well get a proper left and right back could be for starters and get rid of dead wood. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 09, 2015, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on November 09, 2015, 10:04:38 AM
just hope and prey that he signs a winger that is quick and tricky as sessengon, works as hard as mclean and can cross as well as brunt... too much to ask?

Or maybe he could start using the winger he signed himself in Mcmanaman.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 09, 2015, 02:21:33 PM
A bit off topic, but does anyone else think that Pulis could leave in the summer due to a falling out over transfer fees?
I say this because recently he's been talking subtly about our quality, (or lack of) in completely unrelated interviews, basically he did the same at Palace before leaving. Add to that, he does have a history of leaving clubs over transfers and you can see why I'm saying this.
Peace is just as stubborn but I think he's only backed him to keep us up in the short-term as financially it's not viable over many years with Pulis at the helm.

I don't know if I'm reading into things too much but after spending one of the highest in the division and then asking for more, is surely going to end badly with Peace?

So for all the "Pulis-out" brigade, it may be money, and not his football style which gets him the chop anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 09, 2015, 03:18:04 PM
Our finances and playing squad would present us as an attractive proposition in my mind. What Moyes done at Everton on limited resources was miraculous. Either way, like has been said we're not underperforming... we're certainly not going forward though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 09, 2015, 03:22:03 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on November 09, 2015, 02:21:33 PM
A bit off topic, but does anyone else think that Pulis could leave in the summer due to a falling out over transfer fees?
I say this because recently he's been talking subtly about our quality, (or lack of) in completely unrelated interviews, basically he did the same at Palace before leaving. Add to that, he does have a history of leaving clubs over transfers and you can see why I'm saying this.
Peace is just as stubborn but I think he's only backed him to keep us up in the short-term as financially it's not viable over many years with Pulis at the helm.

I don't know if I'm reading into things too much but after spending one of the highest in the division and then asking for more, is surely going to end badly with Peace?

So for all the "Pulis-out" brigade, it may be money, and not his football style which gets him the chop anyway.

I agree with you it is more likely to be a falling out over transfers than the type of football that is happening on the pitch. I am absolutely certain Pulis will not be indulged in the same way as he was at Stoke and a few more transfers like McManaman and Chester and there could be some friction.

It is a pity that Peace doesn't realise that it is a brand of football that will slowly strangle the club because if that were the case the next manager would have a brief to improve it, although almost by the default the next coach will be attack minded by comparison.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on November 10, 2015, 12:38:05 PM
I don't really know what Pulis brings to the team. This season we've got points in 6 out of 12 matches-all, with the exception of the S'ton point, against bottom half teams. All the games we've lost  have been  against top half teams, except for Chelsea(who ought to be top half). So what does Pulis ball gain us-we still lose the games we would expect to struggle in. Can we only beat the bottom half teams by playing with an 8/9 man defence and boring supporters to death? Whether we play 1 or 2 up front doesn't matter because whoever's there gets no service and there's a huge gap where midfield ought to be. As soon as we break 1 attack up the next 1 is on its way because when we clear the ball(we can't play it out of defence because of the void in front of the defence) it doesn't stick and possession is given away. Setting up the team for every match as if we're going to get trounced must be as demoralising for the team as it is the fans. I can put up with parking the bus once in a while but not every damned game! For me Pulis adds nothing. He's lauded for his defensive organisation but where's the value in that if he has to use the entire team?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 10, 2015, 02:23:41 PM
we either dont concede and pick up points, or we concede and have no response and the game is as good as gone, neither of which are entertaining. However its imperative we stay in the league this year for the money and as much as im not pulis greatest fan i cant really see a better alternative.

Still hoping and preying we can have roy back after hes finished with England next Summer
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on November 10, 2015, 02:32:29 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on November 10, 2015, 02:23:41 PM
we either dont concede and pick up points, or we concede and have no response and the game is as good as gone, neither of which are entertaining. However its imperative we stay in the league this year for the money and as much as im not pulis greatest fan i cant really see a better alternative.

Still hoping and preying we can have roy back after hes finished with England next Summer

Agreed the evening of Liverpool game last match get rid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on November 11, 2015, 07:43:37 AM
Quote from: Wollastonbaggie on November 10, 2015, 12:38:05 PM
I don't really know what Pulis brings to the team. This season we've got points in 6 out of 12 matches-all, with the exception of the S'ton point, against bottom half teams. All the games we've lost  have been  against top half teams, except for Chelsea(who ought to be top half). So what does Pulis ball gain us-we still lose the games we would expect to struggle in. Can we only beat the bottom half teams by playing with an 8/9 man defence and boring supporters to death? Whether we play 1 or 2 up front doesn't matter because whoever's there gets no service and there's a huge gap where midfield ought to be. As soon as we break 1 attack up the next 1 is on its way because when we clear the ball(we can't play it out of defence because of the void in front of the defence) it doesn't stick and possession is given away. Setting up the team for every match as if we're going to get trounced must be as demoralising for the team as it is the fans. I can put up with parking the bus once in a while but not every damned game! For me Pulis adds nothing. He's lauded for his defensive organisation but where's the value in that if he has to use the entire team?
spot on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 11, 2015, 09:02:48 AM
Whilst not a fan of Pulis, I am appreciative of what he does, but he does talk some s***e!
He's talking about the balance of the squad again in the B'ham mail today, as if it is someone else's responsibility. My questions would be:

Why didn't we bring in a single full back?
Why did we spend £8m on a 4th choice CH?
Why bring in 2 wingers if the style of play does not suit?
Why no creative midfielder?

These are all contributory factors to the imbalance of the squad, that were, either, created by, or not addressed by Pulis himself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 11, 2015, 09:54:56 AM
to be honest i wouldnt trust him with another penny of your money Jeremy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 11, 2015, 10:19:18 AM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on November 10, 2015, 02:23:41 PM
we either dont concede and pick up points, or we concede and have no response and the game is as good as gone, neither of which are entertaining. However its imperative we stay in the league this year for the money and as much as im not pulis greatest fan i cant really see a better alternative.

Still hoping and preying we can have roy back after hes finished with England next Summer

Was the football really that much better under Hodgson? We only won 6 games at home in his full season and those were against Wolves, Blackburn, Bolton, QPR, Chelsea and Sunderland. Apart from Chelsea they all finished below us and Wolves, Blackburn, and Bolton were relegated and QPR finished 17th. We lost 10 at home and drew 3 (all 0-0)
It was our away form that kept us up, much like it will be with Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on November 11, 2015, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 11, 2015, 09:02:48 AM
Why no creative midfielder?

Because a creative midfielder would serve no useful purpose the way we play. Having such a player means you have to have players available to receive the ball in/running into threatening positions and they can't do that in their own third of the pitch, which is where everybody except Rondon spends most of their time. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on November 11, 2015, 12:48:38 PM
Sorry, it's only the "why no creative fielder" that is the quote. The answer is mine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 11, 2015, 12:49:58 PM
I attend every home game and occasionally away and am very much anti Pulis...but would retain his services until we are safe this season.

I can't really knock Pulis himself, we knew what it was going to be when we brought him in and he has done the job asked of him thus far, he has kept us safe and, whilst performances and results have been awful and poor respectively so far this season, I do not fear we will go down under him.

Sadly, accepting scraping safety and witnessing the abject 'football' we currently are is not acceptable to me. I don't pay £400 for the season tickets plus all the additional expenses involved in getting to the games to be frankly bored for 90+ minutes. The Southampton game was as bad as it gets, followed up by the Sunderland game which was not much better. The Palace away game where there was no intent whatsoever to gain anything more than a goalless draw from the game was lamentable, taking Berahino off for Gardner at half time just summed it all up, as much as I dislike Berahino (and it beggars belief with me why people were so quick to forgive and forget all that was said and done by the lad but that's another story).

Not addressing the full back situation would be the final nail in the coffin for me. We had all summer to sort out what everyone knew to be our glaring weakness which has been the weakness for years now. Brunt at left back in the Premier League is just beyond belief, it truly is, he is a woeful left back, he isn't a Premier League midfielder for me, let alone a left back. Great servant to the club but it worries me that we are now 5 or 6 years a Premier League club and he remains a mainstay of the team, it just shows how much we are standing still.

Any team with decent wide men take us apart, against Brunt, Deulofeu had a field day for Everton, Zaha for Palace and the wingers for Leicester against both Brunt and Dawson. While I feel Dawson is the better option as a full back out of the two, as he is at least a defender, he clearly is not a Premier League right back. How this was not addressed in the summer is beyond me.

I am not one of these screaming for Pocogoli or Gamboa to be picked, ultimately I have no idea if either are good enough, Pulis clearly thinks not, but we sure as hell two players who are actually full backs to play in those positions.

Frustrated by the situation as a whole currently. Actually frustrated probably isn't the word, frankly I'm bored and won't be renewing if Pulis is the manager for next season as, whilst I can take solace in our continued Premier League survival, doing anything else on a Saturday afternoon than falling asleep as the Hawthorns would be preferable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on November 11, 2015, 01:03:46 PM
I will go to Bournemouth game looking forward to it for different reasons but the days of going every week have sailed for me, once every 2/3 months is enough personally.

I was getting bored going every week port vale and Southampton spring to mind where I was just thinking to myself I would rather be at home watching the scores come in.

I still enjoy the laugh with me mates but like west ham I won't be doing the match just watching from a boozer in London somewhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 11, 2015, 02:45:59 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on November 11, 2015, 01:03:46 PM
I will go to Bournemouth game looking forward to it for different reasons but the days of going every week have sailed for me, once every 2/3 months is enough personally.

I was getting bored going every week port vale and Southampton spring to mind where I was just thinking to myself I would rather be at home watching the scores come in.

I still enjoy the laugh with me mates but like west ham I won't be doing the match just watching from a boozer in London somewhere.
Is this a result of Pulisball or football in general?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dale on November 11, 2015, 02:54:58 PM
I have a Home Season Ticket but can only go to certain games due to my Football reporting. But I'm more than happy with Tony Pulis. For me we will not do any better getting somebody else in. He is the perfect manager for a club like ours because lets face it, we are never going to beat that season where we finished 8th under Steve Clarke?

Football has never bothered me in the slightest. I go to games to watch my team win. Don't get me wrong it is nice to see enteraining football like the Ardiles and Mowbray era, but I want to be going out of that ground on Saturday or midweek having seen my team win the game. I have always been like it and will never change which is why for me Pulis is perfect for us as he will keep us in the League if not better and hopefully produce a nice cup run here and there like last season.

So basically a good cup run and a midtable to top half finish is the best we can ever hope for in my opinion unless we do sell to some rich owner. But even then money doesn't always guarentee success.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 11, 2015, 03:07:26 PM
As long as Pulis keeps us up each season the job is his as long as he wants it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 11, 2015, 03:30:25 PM
Reading through this and several other threads makes me happy to be a bit thick.
Having a full compliment of brain cells would facilitate exploration of in depth tactical analysis and the murky world of football stat's. I don't think I'd ever be able to spare time to actually watch or enjoy the subtle nuances within a game (whatever the style), which are often missed/overlooked/ignored to fit one agenda or another by a desire to be the cleverest bloke on the forum.

That would make me even more miserable than many of the serially depressed to be found on football forums in general. This would not please me, so I am thankful of the somewhat sheltered existence to be found in my personal swamp of footballing naivety.
Simple minds and all that  :).

Not really a fan of numbers to be honest either.
You can keep your 4-4-2, 4-3-3, 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1, 3-5-2, 5-3-2, 9-1 or 6-4-0 etc.
I enjoy talking about the game with friends and family, but the amount of nothing which people read into f(k all is a bit much at times.

Enjoy life as much as you can, life really is surprisingly short.
Give me a 34-24-34  ;) and a pint or two and that'll do me fine.
COYB and SOTV.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on November 11, 2015, 11:31:20 PM
The sooner he is gone the better for me.  I hate the football.  The way he sets us up is like a team who has just been promoted not spending our 6th consecutive season in the Premier League.

I am currently embarrassed to be an Albion fan.  I sat through years of rubbish under Talbot, Gould, Buckley, Smith and Little and times were really bad but at the moment I see us as a much better club than then but with a limited manager who holds his players back, compressing their creativity .  It must be awful for the players playing under Pulis.

We have players who have won titles, countless International players and players who have plied there trade in the Premier League for years.  We are not a team of Championship players trying to stay up like we were in the early Megson years.

Its not going to happen because I think Pulis will keep us up but if Peace doesn't manage to sell us then I can see fans turning their backs on the team in their 1000s.  It's already happening. Morale on the terraces is really low.  Never known it so flat even in those dark days under managers I mentioned above.

Its not that often I agree with Adrian Durham of Talksport but he was spot on with his comments about Pulis earlier this week.  I dont want the name West Bromwich Albion associated with the type of football he promotes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 11, 2015, 11:34:56 PM
Teams with players like you mentioned have gone down and never recovered. For me he is right man right time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 12, 2015, 12:27:29 AM
The only saving grace media wise is when they talk about the Albion they more than often refer to us by using Tony Pulis's name and not West Bromwich Albion/baggies. I think people realise we are not the Albion anymore, we are just puppets under the control of Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on November 12, 2015, 12:50:08 AM
Hearing us being called the new Stoke far too often for my liking this season,can it get much worse apart from being compared to the Dingles maybe :/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 12, 2015, 12:54:39 AM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on November 12, 2015, 12:50:08 AM
Hearing us being called the new Stoke far too often for my liking this season,can it get much worse apart from being compared to the Dingles maybe :/

It's got real bad hasn't it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 12, 2015, 12:54:49 AM
I believe we'll survive, but it'll be more like 16th than 9th.

Allowing that, give TP this Jan and next summer and if the football being served up this time next year isn't at least a pragmatic level of decent, then it'll be a case of wait till we get to 40 points, say thanks but goodbye and get in someone who is solid, but can attack.

It's supposed to be entertainment. I'm not asking for Kevin Keegan's Newcastle, but I do want something more than aiming for 0-0 against a very very poor Man U team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on November 12, 2015, 01:44:18 AM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 11, 2015, 11:31:20 PM
The sooner he is gone the better for me.  I hate the football.  The way he sets us up is like a team who has just been promoted not spending our 6th consecutive season in the Premier League.

I am currently embarrassed to be an Albion fan.  I sat through years of rubbish under Talbot, Gould, Buckley, Smith and Little and times were really bad but at the moment I see us as a much better club than then but with a limited manager who holds his players back, compressing their creativity .  It must be awful for the players playing under Pulis.

We have players who have won titles, countless International players and players who have plied there trade in the Premier League for years.  We are not a team of Championship players trying to stay up like we were in the early Megson years.

Its not going to happen because I think Pulis will keep us up but if Peace doesn't manage to sell us then I can see fans turning their backs on the team in their 1000s.  It's already happening. Morale on the terraces is really low.  Never known it so flat even in those dark days under managers I mentioned above.

Its not that often I agree with Adrian Durham of Talksport but he was spot on with his comments about Pulis earlier this week.  I dont want the name West Bromwich Albion associated with the type of football he promotes.

You won't get a good word out of Durham until Pulis leaves your club - I suspect it's something personal between the two of them.

There were many arguments between Stoke fans, most of whom had supported the club through thin and thinner in the lower divisions, but who couldn't stomach watching us in the Premier League any longer under Pulis. Hardened Stokies were starting to find Saturdays shopping with the wife a more enticing prospect than being bored witless by the "entertainment" on offer.

Luckily for you guys, while the Stoke/Pulis relationship felt like a lifelong commitment, most club owners now seem to see Pulis as the ultimate firefighter - there to get their club out of a a crisis. We had to put up with him for 10 years. You guys will probably be free of him after a couple more transfer windows, and boy will it feel good when you are.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 12, 2015, 09:42:37 AM
Don't share the optimism about TP going anytime in the short / mid-term, I think he is weaving himself into the fabric of the club and he thinks he is here for the long haul.

Little things like
 >the addition of the coach he worked with at Palace,
 >the building of a clique of northern Irish players who will stick together with him because he assembled them.
 >The ostracising of non-loyalist / dissenters like Poc, Gamboa, Sess
 > comments about un-baanced squad, maybe meaning he will re-balance it in the image of stoke past

I hope I'm totally wrong BTW
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 12, 2015, 10:28:51 AM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 11, 2015, 11:31:20 PM
The sooner he is gone the better for me.  I hate the football.  The way he sets us up is like a team who has just been promoted not spending our 6th consecutive season in the Premier League.

I am currently embarrassed to be an Albion fan.  I sat through years of rubbish under Talbot, Gould, Buckley, Smith and Little and times were really bad but at the moment I see us as a much better club than then but with a limited manager who holds his players back, compressing their creativity .  It must be awful for the players playing under Pulis.

We have players who have won titles, countless International players and players who have plied there trade in the Premier League for years.  We are not a team of Championship players trying to stay up like we were in the early Megson years.

Its not going to happen because I think Pulis will keep us up but if Peace doesn't manage to sell us then I can see fans turning their backs on the team in their 1000s.  It's already happening. Morale on the terraces is really low.  Never known it so flat even in those dark days under managers I mentioned above.

Its not that often I agree with Adrian Durham of Talksport but he was spot on with his comments about Pulis earlier this week.  I dont want the name West Bromwich Albion associated with the type of football he promotes.

Could not have put it better myself. I think the only dynamic that will shift him other than relegation (which is not as unlikely as some might think) is a falling out over transfers, a few more deals like the Chester one and Peace will lock the coffers or try to revert to the Director of Football model at which point Pulis will throw the toys out of the pram. Anyway that is the straw I'm clinging to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 12, 2015, 11:37:34 AM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 11, 2015, 11:31:20 PM


Its not that often I agree with Adrian Durham of Talksport but he was spot on with his comments about Pulis earlier this week.  I dont want the name West Bromwich Albion associated with the type of football he promotes.

I have heard a few on talk-sport saying that his football is awful and that west brom dont need or deserve that. They were talking about atmosphere in the premier league and we were cited along with palace and Leicester as best home support- however it was followed up with that atmosphere had nosedived this season and possibly linked to the football being served up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 12, 2015, 11:42:40 AM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on November 12, 2015, 11:37:34 AM
I have heard a few on talk-sport saying that his football is awful and that west brom dont need or deserve that. They were talking about atmosphere in the premier league and we were cited along with palace and Leicester as best home support- however it was followed up with that atmosphere had nosedived this season and possibly linked to the football being served up

Similar thing on WM last night, they were saying that the atmosphere was below par at home, the villa, and at the dingles. Linking I suppose poor performances against poor atmosphere.
The atmosphere at Blues and Walsall is supposed to be quite good. Then again those teams are doing relatively better
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 12, 2015, 11:52:52 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 11, 2015, 10:19:18 AM
Was the football really that much better under Hodgson? We only won 6 games at home in his full season and those were against Wolves, Blackburn, Bolton, QPR, Chelsea and Sunderland. Apart from Chelsea they all finished below us and Wolves, Blackburn, and Bolton were relegated and QPR finished 17th. We lost 10 at home and drew 3 (all 0-0)
It was our away form that kept us up, much like it will be with Pulis.

I think Hodgson set up similarly but nowhere near as rigidly. Ok steven reid played right back but it wasnt a centre half playing out there (simialr idea to brunt playing lb- a winger who knows how to cross pass and shoot) However he played a specialist left back in ridgewell.

Also he used a out and out winger in Thomas, who could be comapred to mcmannaman who pulis wont play. They both set up with a "solid" central two however, mulumbu was box to box whislt scharner was the organiser and even popped up with the odd goal. Yacob breaks play up far better than mulumbu however he doesnt get box to box and fletcher in my eyes is nowehre near as good a leader or complete midfielder as scharner! can you see fletcher popping up with as many goals?

Roy played a whole year of Odemwingie up top or sometimes on the wing playing off his target man MAF. Pulis tries this with Berahino who isnt worth a patch on odemwingie in my eyes.

the second year he played more a 442 using long and odemwingie which was a hugely quick strikeline (we dont have anything like that now) we kept our solid cm base and defence. we did lack pace but the strikeline made up for it.


Ultimatley we have papered over cracks of lack of pace throughout team by having the likes of odemwingie long and lukaku up top. Odemwingie carried us for 2 years and if he wasnt sacraficed because of clarkes love in with lukaku would have continued doing the business for us.

Rondon is a good player and will get goals when created for him, berahino can make a goal for himself like odemwingie could, the difference being PO was a class act in his peak, berahino is still learning his trade.

however could you see pulis playing a PO type player up top alone? or wide right? whilst playing another attacking winger and James Morrison in the hole?


Ultimately whilst both are pragmatic, I think Roy had a better squad which he utilized far more effectively. WBA like every other club crying out for a striker who can score a goal from nothing. Benteke used to do it at villa. Point is we signed one for £1.5mill and we wasted him in the latter stages of his time here. If clarke hadnt forced him and used him more we would have won more games and he would have kept his job longer in my eyes-of course this is retrospective. Roy wanted to win games  (sometimes against big boys he set up to draw)- however he knew he had to use outlets like thomas odem long etc. Pulis wont do this! Gardner & Mclean are not attacking outlets.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 12, 2015, 09:42:37 AM
Don't share the optimism about TP going anytime in the short / mid-term, I think he is weaving himself into the fabric of the club and he thinks he is here for the long haul.

Little things like
 >the addition of the coach he worked with at Palace,
 >the building of a clique of northern Irish players who will stick together with him because he assembled them.
 >The ostracising of non-loyalist / dissenters like Poc, Gamboa, Sess
 > comments about un-baanced squad, maybe meaning he will re-balance it in the image of stoke past

I hope I'm totally wrong BTW

We had 3 Northern Irish players last season and we've got 3 this season, not sure Pulis is building a clique.

Sess is playing so not really ostracised. Gamboa didn't look up to this level but the exclusion of Poc is odd.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 12, 2015, 12:25:27 PM
Soz, forgot about Baird, can't imagine why !

Sess, was certainly out in the cold for far too long, anyway scrub Sess and add in mcManaman, maybe also add James chester and anyone under 22
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 12, 2015, 01:10:39 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on November 12, 2015, 11:52:52 AM
I think Hodgson set up similarly but nowhere near as rigidly. Ok steven reid played right back but it wasnt a centre half playing out there (simialr idea to brunt playing lb- a winger who knows how to cross pass and shoot) However he played a specialist left back in ridgewell.

Also he used a out and out winger in Thomas, who could be comapred to mcmannaman who pulis wont play. They both set up with a "solid" central two however, mulumbu was box to box whislt scharner was the organiser and even popped up with the odd goal. Yacob breaks play up far better than mulumbu however he doesnt get box to box and fletcher in my eyes is nowehre near as good a leader or complete midfielder as scharner! can you see fletcher popping up with as many goals?

Roy played a whole year of Odemwingie up top or sometimes on the wing playing off his target man MAF. Pulis tries this with Berahino who isnt worth a patch on odemwingie in my eyes.

the second year he played more a 442 using long and odemwingie which was a hugely quick strikeline (we dont have anything like that now) we kept our solid cm base and defence. we did lack pace but the strikeline made up for it.


Ultimatley we have papered over cracks of lack of pace throughout team by having the likes of odemwingie long and lukaku up top. Odemwingie carried us for 2 years and if he wasnt sacraficed because of clarkes love in with lukaku would have continued doing the business for us.

Rondon is a good player and will get goals when created for him, berahino can make a goal for himself like odemwingie could, the difference being PO was a class act in his peak, berahino is still learning his trade.

however could you see pulis playing a PO type player up top alone? or wide right? whilst playing another attacking winger and James Morrison in the hole?


Ultimately whilst both are pragmatic, I think Roy had a better squad which he utilized far more effectively. WBA like every other club crying out for a striker who can score a goal from nothing. Benteke used to do it at villa. Point is we signed one for £1.5mill and we wasted him in the latter stages of his time here. If clarke hadnt forced him and used him more we would have won more games and he would have kept his job longer in my eyes-of course this is retrospective. Roy wanted to win games  (sometimes against big boys he set up to draw)- however he knew he had to use outlets like thomas odem long etc. Pulis wont do this! Gardner & Mclean are not attacking outlets.

Great post.

We really should have built on the squad that Roy left but sadly we have regressed since. PO was a massive part of our early success and has never been replaced.

Roy could be rigid but also took the shackles off when required. Sadly Pulis is rigid all of the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on November 12, 2015, 11:52:52 AM
I think Hodgson set up similarly but nowhere near as rigidly. Ok steven reid played right back but it wasnt a centre half playing out there (simialr idea to brunt playing lb- a winger who knows how to cross pass and shoot) However he played a specialist left back in ridgewell.

Also he used a out and out winger in Thomas, who could be comapred to mcmannaman who pulis wont play. They both set up with a "solid" central two however, mulumbu was box to box whislt scharner was the organiser and even popped up with the odd goal. Yacob breaks play up far better than mulumbu however he doesnt get box to box and fletcher in my eyes is nowehre near as good a leader or complete midfielder as scharner! can you see fletcher popping up with as many goals?

Roy played a whole year of Odemwingie up top or sometimes on the wing playing off his target man MAF. Pulis tries this with Berahino who isnt worth a patch on odemwingie in my eyes.

the second year he played more a 442 using long and odemwingie which was a hugely quick strikeline (we dont have anything like that now) we kept our solid cm base and defence. we did lack pace but the strikeline made up for it.


Ultimatley we have papered over cracks of lack of pace throughout team by having the likes of odemwingie long and lukaku up top. Odemwingie carried us for 2 years and if he wasnt sacraficed because of clarkes love in with lukaku would have continued doing the business for us.

Rondon is a good player and will get goals when created for him, berahino can make a goal for himself like odemwingie could, the difference being PO was a class act in his peak, berahino is still learning his trade.

however could you see pulis playing a PO type player up top alone? or wide right? whilst playing another attacking winger and James Morrison in the hole?


Ultimately whilst both are pragmatic, I think Roy had a better squad which he utilized far more effectively. WBA like every other club crying out for a striker who can score a goal from nothing. Benteke used to do it at villa. Point is we signed one for £1.5mill and we wasted him in the latter stages of his time here. If clarke hadnt forced him and used him more we would have won more games and he would have kept his job longer in my eyes-of course this is retrospective. Roy wanted to win games  (sometimes against big boys he set up to draw)- however he knew he had to use outlets like thomas odem long etc. Pulis wont do this! Gardner & Mclean are not attacking outlets.

Totally accept that Hodgson had a better team but ultimately the results were pretty much the same.

Disagree about McClean not being an attacking outlet he has had a hand in around half of our goals this season. He does spend a lot of time helping out Brunt though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 01:27:19 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 01:14:15 PM
Totally accept that Hodgson had a better team but ultimately the results were pretty much the same.

Disagree about McClean not being an attacking outlet he has had a hand in around half of our goals this season. He does spend a lot of time helping out Brunt though.

I can think of only 1 decent cross mclean has put in. That was at norwich. So im sorry i disagree that hes had a hand in half our goals.

McClean is a headless chicken who is at very best a championship level player.  But he works "'ard".

Tony pulis knows that if we dont get relegated he is in a job, thats why he parks the bus every game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on November 12, 2015, 01:29:54 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 01:27:19 PM
I can think of only 1 decent cross mclean has put in. That was at norwich. So im sorry i disagree that hes had a hand in half our goals.

McClean is a headless chicken who is at very best a championship level player.  But he works "'ard".

Tony pulis knows that if we dont get relegated he is in a job, thats why he parks the bus every game.

Isn't our target to avoid relegation ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 01:32:11 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on November 12, 2015, 01:29:54 PM
Isn't our target to avoid relegation ?

Should our target be after 6 years of premier league football?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbasoprano on November 12, 2015, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 01:32:11 PM
Should our target be after 6 years of premier league football?

Yes, at least until 40 points are achieved. Like it or not we're never going to be any better unless the playing field is evened out a bit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 12, 2015, 01:44:59 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 01:14:15 PM
Totally accept that Hodgson had a better team but ultimately the results were pretty much the same.

Disagree about McClean not being an attacking outlet he has had a hand in around half of our goals this season. He does spend a lot of time helping out Brunt though.

the results are similar but you fancied albion to attack teams at home and even fancied them to beat sides by a bigger margin. I dont ever think wba will win and scored 3/4/5 goals. Also you could argue the league is far weaker now than it was under hodgson.

Base that on the fact we have stayed up twice because their have been 3 sides worse than us, and yet wba have been as poor as we have ever been in the prem era.

Mclean is direct chalk on his boots, but he isnt like mcmannaman sessi or even thomas or odemwingie who ahd tricks and could glide past their men. Mclean just goes quick and soemtimes it works. his crosses havent been to bad but theres never anybody in the middle.

The hodgson era saw PO in box Morrison and even the likes of scharner and Mulumbu cropped up in there. Our players have the breaks on always!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 12, 2015, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on November 12, 2015, 11:52:52 AM
However he played a specialist left back in ridgewell.

the second year he played more a 442 using long and odemwingie which was a hugely quick strikeline (we dont have anything like that now) we kept our solid cm base and defence. we did lack pace but the strikeline made up for it.

Sorry but Ridgewell was not a specialist left back.
He was a converted centre half, a postion which he favoured.
Many moaned about this at the time as he was often ponderous in support when going forward and his crossing was generally dire.

As for the 442 my memories of Long and PO playing together are somewhat different. While I concede they did indeed put defenders under pressure with their combined pace and set up the odd goal for each other, there appeared to be little communication or understanding between them.

Play would often break down when they played as a front two. PO wanted to be top dog in that relationship, although I always had the impression that Long was bought to replace him rather than augment his game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on November 12, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 01:32:11 PM
Should our target be after 6 years of premier league football?

Its the same target pretty much 75% of the teams in the Premier League are bound too.

I hate the football I really do but we are all trying to not get relegated from about 8th place downwards. You can have 6 good seasons in the Prem and one bad one and you are gone.

I think he will keep us up, we will get the TV deal and we will move on from him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on November 12, 2015, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on November 12, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
Its the same target pretty much 75% of the teams in the Premier League are bound too.

I hate the football I really do but we are all trying to not get relegated from about 8th place downwards. You can have 6 good seasons in the Prem and one bad one and you are gone.

I think he will keep us up, we will get the TV deal and we will move on from him

Agree with all of the above apart from the last bit - if Peace remains in charge, I can't see him ever sacking Pulis - he is as close to a guarantee of staying up as there is...Peace will be more interested in maintaining our prem league survival than our style of play. Losing a few thousand fans is a small price to pay for keeping the prem league money rolling in!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 12, 2015, 02:17:10 PM
I am not sure you can argue that Hodgson had a better squad and to be fair to our current players from attacking perspective it is almost unfair to judge them, given the overwhelming emphasis that Pulis places on defensive shape. When you see a heat map of our Centre Forward's touches and there are more in our own box than the opposition's is it any wonder that we are not scoring goals?

When Hodgson took over he got us defensively organised (with no new players) because that was the problem he inherited. Having fixed that he did produce some better football in his second year although I won't pretend it was always scintillating to watch but it was generally better than what we are currently enduring.

If Pulis was showing any signs of being more progressive in his approach I wouldn't be unhappy, but he isn't and he won't and no number of expensive signings is going to change it. My only hope is the next coach inherits a few decent if under utilised players and we can aspire to play like er... Stoke. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 12, 2015, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on November 12, 2015, 01:50:44 PM
Sorry but Ridgewell was not a specialist left back.
He was a converted centre half, a postion which he favoured.
Many moaned about this at the time as he was often ponderous in support when going forward and his crossing was generally dire.

As for the 442 my memories of Long and PO playing together are somewhat different. While I concede they did indeed put defenders under pressure with their combined pace and set up the odd goal for each other, there appeared to be little communication or understanding between them.

Play would often break down when they played as a front two. PO wanted to be top dog in that relationship, although I always had the impression that Long was bought to replace him rather than augment his game.

played left back for birmingham and was bought as a left back... but there is value in your point. 442 didnt work for us, both PO and SL worked better up top alone. 451 is very much the system that wba should use. my point was those 2 up top harrassed defenders because of their pace, rondon and anichibe/lambert wont scare anybody because of their pace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 01:27:19 PM
I can think of only 1 decent cross mclean has put in. That was at norwich. So im sorry i disagree that hes had a hand in half our goals.

McClean is a headless chicken who is at very best a championship level player.  But he works "'ard".

Tony pulis knows that if we dont get relegated he is in a job, thats why he parks the bus every game.

he had a big hand in both goals against Chelsea, the one against Villa and his cross was put out for the corner that we scored from against Leicester add that to the cross for rondon at Norwich  and that's 5 goals he's had a hand in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 03:04:33 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 02:29:35 PM
he had a big hand in both goals against Chelsea, the one against Villa and his cross was put out for the corner that we scored from against Leicester add that to the cross for rondon at Norwich  and that's 5 goals he's had a hand in.

His stats say hes got 1 assist.  So 1 assist for a winger. Thats pathetic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 03:04:33 PM
His stats say hes got 1 assist.  So 1 assist for a winger. Thats pathetic.

I didn't say he had a lot of assists I said he has had a large hand in 5 of our goals which he has.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
I didn't say he had a lot of assists I said he has had a large hand in 5 of our goals which he has.

All the players have a hand in goals though dont they because they are part of the team. When myhill had the ball in his hands and plays it out to Dawson then he plays it to yacob then he passes to fletch then he chips it out wide to McClean then he crosses and it gets blocked, does that mean Myhill had a hand in the goal because he gave it to Dawson in the first place instead of Brunt?

The stats dont lie and 1 assist for a winger is pathetic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 12, 2015, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on November 12, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
Its the same target pretty much 75% of the teams in the Premier League are bound too.

I hate the football I really do but we are all trying to not get relegated from about 8th place downwards. You can have 6 good seasons in the Prem and one bad one and you are gone.

I think he will keep us up, we will get the TV deal and we will move on from him

Completely agree. Every team bar the top 6 start out with the aim of avoiding relegation and then building on from there.

 Everton were a very good example last season. They started off terribly and were very close to the relegation places. Martinez, known as a positive attack minded manager, then became much more pragmatic in his approach and began grinding out results through a defensive gameplan rather than a free-flowing attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 03:33:22 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 03:13:49 PM
All the players have a hand in goals though dont they because they are part of the team. When myhill had the ball in his hands and plays it out to Dawson then he plays it to yacob then he passes to fletch then he chips it out wide to McClean then he crosses and it gets blocked, does that mean Myhill had a hand in the goal because he gave it to Dawson in the first place instead of Brunt?

The stats dont lie and 1 assist for a winger is pathetic.

Yes but as I have repeatedly said he has had a big hand in (not assisted), there is a difference which I get the feeling you are deliberately ignoring.i.e. gets us a corner from which we score or plays the ball into the box for another player to lay off to the goalscorer..that's having a big hand in the process without assisting...rather than just being part of a team which scores a goal.

The stats show that only 1 player (Morrison) has more than 1 assist..so for our other attacking players not to provide more is surely pathetic too? It is after all as you point out a team game.

 McClean spends a lot of time helping out Brunt to the detriment of his being able to get forward but when he does he is decent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 12, 2015, 04:50:09 PM
Simple question, what is the main role of a winger ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 12, 2015, 05:01:13 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 12, 2015, 04:50:09 PM
Simple question, what is the main role of a winger ?

I know you're looking for get crosses in and be a key attacker. But in the modern game it's also part of the role to help with defence and not leave the fullback stranded.

A winger is only ever an out and out attacker in a team who take that approach and the fullback is a 100% defender and is part of a very stoic back line.

The real issue here is we're in our 5th consecutive year in the Prem (hats off to all, Forest/Wolves/Sheffield clubs etc would kill for that), but having now "established" ourselves, we as fan expect to beat the Norwichs more often than not and attack the big lads on occasion. Issue there is if we want our team to play "football" and not Pulisball, that would require us outfootballing teams and just as Swansea are currently showing and Bournemouth too, being pretty isn't something that gets you points.

If the ambition is to play "proper" football, but maybe get relegated as a result, then we'd have been better off with Sherwood and although i cant stand Pulisball, it's a million miles better than having that lippy dick associated with our team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 05:02:04 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 12, 2015, 04:50:09 PM
Simple question, what is the main role of a winger ?
To play along the wing; to attack, to defend. On the o/s McClean is listed as a  midfielder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 12, 2015, 05:10:59 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on November 12, 2015, 02:20:15 PM
played left back for birmingham and was bought as a left back... but there is value in your point. 442 didnt work for us, both PO and SL worked better up top alone. 451 is very much the system that wba should use. my point was those 2 up top harrassed defenders because of their pace, rondon and anichibe/lambert wont scare anybody because of their pace.

I know where he played for Blues, and I know where he was bought to play for us.
It doesn't make him a specialist left back though, it just means that this is where he played the majority of his games for both clubs. He was no more a specialist left back than Dawson is a specialist right back, even though that is where he has now played the majority of his first team games for us.

With regard to the 'strikers', Rondon does have some pace and will become more effective when he is supported in his general play, allowing him and others to feed off each other. Even Anichebe can shift when the mood takes him, he has looked threatening when running at defences in the past and can do so again if encouraged and supported. There is more to his game than playing with his back to goal.

Rickie Lambert has never been blessed with pace, but then he has never really been isolated to the exrent that he is with us. Once again he requires both service and support. This will only be achieved in this instance if we play higher up the pitch, which is presumably why he was brought on when we were chasing the game V Man Utd.

As has been covered infinitum though, to get the best out of any and all of the above strikers they cannot be expected to plough a lonely furrow up front, cover all opposing defenders, run the channels, be expected to link play and get on the end of their own crosses.

It's a team game and we do indeed defend as a team. But as has been stated by the topman himself, we need to strike the balance between defence and attack. Over to you Tony Pulis...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 03:33:22 PM
Yes but as I have repeatedly said he has had a big hand in (not assisted), there is a difference which I get the feeling you are deliberately ignoring.i.e. gets us a corner from which we score or plays the ball into the box for another player to lay off to the goalscorer..that's having a big hand in the process without assisting...rather than just being part of a team which scores a goal.

The stats show that only 1 player (Morrison) has more than 1 assist..so for our other attacking players not to provide more is surely pathetic too? It is after all as you point out a team game.

 McClean spends a lot of time helping out Brunt to the detriment of his being able to get forward but when he does he is decent.

So he shanks a cross and wins a corner and you wanna give him the credit for it. Unbelieveable.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 06:28:13 PM
So he shanks a cross and wins a corner and you wanna give him the credit for it. Unbelieveable.
How about his cross is cleared by a defender and he wins a corner or his cross is deflected and wins a corner?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BRIAN on November 12, 2015, 09:27:36 PM
Disgraceful remarks by Dyke in the E & S today re Pulis asking for his £8000 to be given to a charity. Dyke should do his homework then he would know about TPs charity work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on November 13, 2015, 10:13:56 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on November 12, 2015, 01:32:11 PM
Should our target be after 6 years of premier league football?

After the Stoke v Chelsea game on Sky, Ryan Shawcross was interviewed and said "their first target will always be 40 points." It's pure arrogance to think any other way.

And that's with Stoke being on an upward curve. Pulis took charge after Clarke, Mel and Irvine combined to turn West Brom into a bottom 4 club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on November 14, 2015, 11:47:22 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on November 13, 2015, 10:13:56 AM
After the Stoke v Chelsea game on Sky, Ryan Shawcross was interviewed and said "their first target will always be 40 points." It's pure arrogance to think any other way.

And that's with Stoke being on an upward curve. Pulis took charge after Clarke, Mel and Irvine combined to turn West Brom into a bottom 4 club.

Pepe Mel kept us up somehow,Club was allready on a downward spiral when he took charge,with everthing else going against him,I think he did a bloody good job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 15, 2015, 01:53:13 PM
Aside from the sides with genuine Champions League aspirations which to my reckoning is no more than 6 every other team has a 40 points as their first target regardless of purple patches of form which might elevate them above the crowd for a short time. I understand this and accept it for what it is. However there is a choice about how we get there and playing Pulisball is not the way I would choose to do it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 15, 2015, 02:08:50 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on November 13, 2015, 10:13:56 AM
After the Stoke v Chelsea game on Sky, Ryan Shawcross was interviewed and said "their first target will always be 40 points." It's pure arrogance to think any other way.

And that's with Stoke being on an upward curve. Pulis took charge after Clarke, Mel and Irvine combined to turn West Brom into a bottom 4 club.

Interestingly, under Irvine we were only in the bottom four on two occasions  (following PM having spent seven of his seventeen weeks in the bottom 4). Spent more time in the bottom four already under Pulis this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 15, 2015, 05:02:17 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on November 15, 2015, 02:08:50 PM
Interestingly, under Irvine we were only in the bottom four on two occasions  (following PM having spent seven of his seventeen weeks in the bottom 4). Spent more time in the bottom four already under Pulis this season.

A very interesting point, I believe we were 15th when Irvine got sacked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 15, 2015, 05:13:26 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 15, 2015, 05:02:17 PM
A very interesting point, I believe we were 15th when Irvine got sacked.
and got a similar number of points (I think only a point less) as Pulis has now at this time, he'd also scored more, conceded less and had just lost the last two games this time last season with Arsenal and West Ham being the next two games. The two are basically identical in terms of how their seasons are evolving.

Either than means Pulis isn't doing as good a job as people think,  or Irvine did BETTER than expected on a smaller budget and with less control.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on November 15, 2015, 05:56:16 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 15, 2015, 05:02:17 PM
A very interesting point, I believe we were 15th when Irvine got sacked.

 :D you do make me laugh mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on November 15, 2015, 07:32:02 PM
One win at home, spent £30.5 million on rubbish really, his Football is dire. How long we going to stick with him, I cant see him being our manager next season.  ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 15, 2015, 07:59:14 PM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on November 15, 2015, 07:32:02 PM
One win at home, spent £30.5 million on rubbish really, his Football is dire. How long we going to stick with him, I cant see him being our manager next season.  ???

Fingers crossed eh?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 15, 2015, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on November 15, 2015, 07:32:02 PM
One win at home, spent £30.5 million on rubbish really, his Football is dire. How long we going to stick with him, I cant see him being our manager next season.  ???
Johnny Evans aint rubbish....nor is Rondon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on November 16, 2015, 12:06:23 AM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on November 15, 2015, 07:32:02 PM
One win at home, spent £30.5 million on rubbish really, his Football is dire. How long we going to stick with him, I cant see him being our manager next season.  ???

30.5 million on rubbish? Sorry but I must of missed something. What rubbish are you referring to?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 16, 2015, 12:33:22 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 15, 2015, 05:02:17 PM
A very interesting point, I believe we were 15th when Irvine got sacked.

We were 16th and one point off the relegation zone.
We are currently 13th and six points off the relegation zone.

That is quite a big difference. The truth is that Irvine was out of his depth and had a very bad run of games (similar to the one we are currently going through but without as many points).

I do somewhat agree however that with the money spent with Pulis this season, you'd expect to be about 3 points better off but it hasn't materialised.
I think the Stoke fans were right about Pulis and his spending; there's no point/need to give him a large budget, he is just as effective with a smaller budget which forces him to spend more creatively (see McLean vs Chester or Fletcher vs McManaman)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on November 16, 2015, 12:53:25 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on November 16, 2015, 12:33:22 AM
We were 16th and one point off the relegation zone.
We are currently 13th and six points off the relegation zone.

That is quite a big difference. The truth is that Irvine was out of his depth and had a very bad run of games (similar to the one we are currently going through but without as many points).

I do somewhat agree however that with the money spent with Pulis this season, you'd expect to be about 3 points better off but it hasn't materialised.
I think the Stoke fans were right about Pulis and his spending; there's no point/need to give him a large budget, he is just as effective with a smaller budget which forces him to spend more creatively (see McLean vs Chester or Fletcher vs McManaman)

Football's all about ifs and buts, but if you take away the three points that were half-inched against a nine-man Stoke, you'd be 16th and 3 points above the relegation zone. Is that what £30m should get you in comparison with a manager who was 'out of his depth'? If you'd given Irvine £30m and he'd got you to this position, would you think it was money well spent?

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 16, 2015, 02:07:55 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on November 16, 2015, 12:33:22 AM
We were 16th and one point off the relegation zone.
We are currently 13th and six points off the relegation zone.

That is quite a big difference. The truth is that Irvine was out of his depth and had a very bad run of games (similar to the one we are currently going through but without as many points).

I do somewhat agree however that with the money spent with Pulis this season, you'd expect to be about 3 points better off but it hasn't materialised.
I think the Stoke fans were right about Pulis and his spending; there's no point/need to give him a large budget, he is just as effective with a smaller budget which forces him to spend more creatively (see McLean vs Chester or Fletcher vs McManaman)
as i pointed out earlier, it is a single point's difference. if this was Pulis' run last year, he'd have been in roughly the same position as Irvine. All you've demonstrate to me there is that the league is weaker, with more teams in worse positions in relation to ourselves, this season than last. Which in some ways would further undermine pulis if he can only drag a point improvement from a weaker league with the significant backing he recieved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on November 16, 2015, 03:53:01 AM
Comparing who is the worst to be pedantic  :D, If you was in the boardroom would you want Irvine, Mel or pulis ?, Pulis is a safe pair of hands and the other two got taken for pushovers by the coaches and players.

Why don't we look to the future ? We have been spineless for sometime now and now under a safe pair of hands we still have the same problem yet scrape enough points through defending well to achieve safety, is achieve the right word I'll let you decide.

I have gone from going every game to going up once every couple of months just through getting bored stiff with how we approach and deal with a game of football.

A cross between Mel and Pulis would be the answer for me but who that is I couldn't really tell you.

Either way there is more to life than how we are playing at the moment and there's more to football than how we are going about it certainly from a fans perspective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 16, 2015, 10:59:01 AM
Pepe Mel said he was Albions dad. Tony pilots will never be put dad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 16, 2015, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 16, 2015, 10:59:01 AM
Pepe Mel said he was Albions dad. Tony pilots will never be put dad.

eh!

In English? ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 16, 2015, 11:09:30 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on November 16, 2015, 11:07:33 AM
eh!

In English? ::)

Ha, autocorrect buggered me on this one. I remember pepe Mel said he thought he was Albions dad and he wanted to look after us, Tony Pulis will never be our "dad". Too pragmatic, too staid, no passion.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 16, 2015, 11:10:51 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 16, 2015, 10:59:01 AM
Pepe Mel said he was Albions dad. Tony pilots will never be put dad.
What the Heck? Has someone been messing with your keyboard or did you have an early start on the Frosty Jack  ???

Pepe Mel said he was Albions dad

That's proper tickled me  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 16, 2015, 11:15:14 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 16, 2015, 11:10:51 AM
What the Heck? Has someone been messing with your keyboard or did you have an early start on the Frosty Jack  ???

Pepe Mel said he was Albions dad

That's proper tickled me  ;D

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26278555 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26278555)

"West Brom is a family team and I am the dad - the players are my children," former Real Betis boss Mel told BBC WM.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 16, 2015, 11:20:14 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 16, 2015, 11:15:14 AM
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26278555 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26278555)

"West Brom is a family team and I am the dad - the players are my children," former Real Betis boss Mel told BBC WM.

No wonder he was sacked, didn't bring the children up properly.   :)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 16, 2015, 11:22:44 AM
Bottom line is, we sacked dad then mom went through a series of terrible boyfriends, the latest being a Welshman  with a penchant for tracksuit bottoms and shouting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 16, 2015, 11:46:21 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 16, 2015, 11:22:44 AM
Bottom line is, we sacked dad then mom went through a series of terrible boyfriends, the latest being a Welshman  with a penchant for tracksuit bottoms and shouting.

Football forums really make me laugh.
Some of the analogies are hilarious.

From this I'm not sure which Jeremy is doing our recruiting.
Peace or Kyle.
 :)  ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 16, 2015, 12:25:24 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 16, 2015, 11:15:14 AM
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26278555 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26278555)

"West Brom is a family team and I am the dad - the players are my children," former Real Betis boss Mel told BBC WM.
Mate I had never heard that, what a wonderful sentiment, he should have been kept on for that alone.
We can only assume that Stephen Reid was the milkman's!  ;D

Check out website - damnyouautocoorect, some beauties on there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 18, 2015, 10:06:24 AM
Tony Pulis gone awol so I read on another message board?  ::)

His players were in for training as usual last week. Where was the manager? Nowhere to be seen. This came as something as a surprise to many people at the club.

He seems to be a law unto himself. Apparently he does what he likes when he likes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 18, 2015, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: BB74 on November 18, 2015, 10:06:24 AM
Tony Pulis gone awol so I read on another message board?  ::)

His players were in for training as usual last week. Where was the manager? Nowhere to be seen. This came as something as a surprise to many people at the club.

He seems to be a law unto himself. Apparently he does what he likes when he likes.

No mystery he is currently scouting for another Centre Half he can convert to a full back. I understand the list includes Chris Samba, Robert Huth (he really misses him) John Terry and a couple of Rugby League players (strapping lads who work arrd!!) ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 18, 2015, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 18, 2015, 10:06:24 AM
Tony Pulis gone awol so I read on another message board?  ::)

His players were in for training as usual last week. Where was the manager? Nowhere to be seen. This came as something as a surprise to many people at the club.

He seems to be a law unto himself. Apparently he does what he likes when he likes.

Very interesting development. All is not well at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on November 18, 2015, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 18, 2015, 12:10:38 PM
Very interesting development. All is not well at the moment.

Has this been confirmed as being true?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on November 18, 2015, 12:28:37 PM
Quote from: AshD on November 18, 2015, 12:11:51 PM
Has this been confirmed as being true?

No but that won't stop some people!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on November 18, 2015, 12:42:36 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 18, 2015, 12:10:38 PM
Very interesting development. All is not well at the moment.

I don't think this proves that at all. Most of our players are away on internationals, resting up in the treatment room and/or trying to regain fitness. Pulis doesn't need to be there for that, the coaches are there. He will no doubt be off scouting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: A5HB on November 18, 2015, 01:03:20 PM
I suspect he's just taken a few days off. I believe he and his family are still based down south, so it's hardly surprising he might take a couple of days extra during a rare quiet spell. I doubt he has many if any days off between games, as with any manager, so they tend to take advantage of these breaks as there isn't a huge amount they can do with most of the squad away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2015, 01:22:51 PM
storm in a tea cup, christ almighty
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on November 18, 2015, 01:37:22 PM
Quote from: Baggieblood on November 18, 2015, 01:18:11 PM
Where have my posts gone?

Is it that if you defend pulis your views are deleted?



You haven't had any posts deleted, as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggieblood on November 18, 2015, 01:41:29 PM
My mistake.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 18, 2015, 01:46:49 PM
He's doing one on one training with Sick Vic to fill McCauley's boots on Saturday!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on November 18, 2015, 04:16:57 PM
Wherever he's vanished to fingers crossed he stays there, every window he has here is more damage to rectify.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on November 18, 2015, 04:20:04 PM
Oh Tony where is ark Tone  :D.

Probably just realizes it's a good week to do some scouting because of who we are playing Saturday, other weeks preparation will be more important for us, I believe Robson use to do the same thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 18, 2015, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on November 18, 2015, 04:20:04 PM
Oh Tony where is ark Tone  :D.

Probably just realizes it's a good week to do some scouting because of who we are playing Saturday, other weeks preparation will be more important for us, I believe Robson use to do the same thing.
Think Robson did most of his scouting in The Saracen's Head
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 18, 2015, 04:39:00 PM
It may be because he is unwell.
We all get poorly at some time.
I don't think that anything needs to be drawn just because he isn't there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 18, 2015, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 18, 2015, 10:06:24 AM
Tony Pulis gone awol so I read on another message board?  ::)

His players were in for training as usual last week. Where was the manager? Nowhere to be seen. This came as something as a surprise to many people at the club.

He seems to be a law unto himself. Apparently he does what he likes when he likes.
Although the veracity of the story remains uncorroborated, the guy who posted the original message is known to be ITK.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 18, 2015, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on November 18, 2015, 04:16:57 PM
Wherever he's vanished to fingers crossed he stays there, every window he has here is more damage to rectify.

It's simply not true.  The squad is much improved since September 1st 2014.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on November 18, 2015, 08:27:39 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 18, 2015, 08:17:30 PM
It's simply not true.  The squad is much improved since September 1st 2014.
In my opinion only Evans has been a success Rondon and Cal Mac would be or could be with a better coach/manager so that's one player in two windows a genuine improvement....once again in my opinion. So who do you think have been valuable additions on the pitch and bare in mind we have spent a lot of money for us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on November 18, 2015, 08:31:24 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on November 16, 2015, 12:53:25 AM
Football's all about ifs and buts, but if you take away the three points that were half-inched against a nine-man Stoke, you'd be 16th and 3 points above the relegation zone. Is that what £30m should get you in comparison with a manager who was 'out of his depth'? If you'd given Irvine £30m and he'd got you to this position, would you think it was money well spent?

DK

If my Aunt had a penis she would be my uncle!!

Football is about facts not if, buts and maybes. Fans dream on if, buts and maybes but thats where it ends. And the league doesnt lie, 6 points above the relegation zone compared to 1 point above the relegation zone at the same points in the season tells me we are in a better position already.

You say the league is weaker whereas I think the league is stronger and anyone can beat anyone on their day top to bottom.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 18, 2015, 08:31:57 PM
Theres an hour long interview with Pulison WM tomorrow at 6.00pm
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 18, 2015, 10:14:57 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 16, 2015, 11:22:44 AM
Bottom line is, we sacked dad then mom went through a series of terrible boyfriends, the latest being a Welshman  with a penchant for tracksuit bottoms and shouting.
Goldie looking chain
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 19, 2015, 02:32:34 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on November 18, 2015, 08:31:24 PM
If my Aunt had a penis she would be my uncle!!

Football is about facts not if, buts and maybes. Fans dream on if, buts and maybes but thats where it ends. And the league doesnt lie, 6 points above the relegation zone compared to 1 point above the relegation zone at the same points in the season tells me we are in a better position already.

Here some more facts.  £40 million spent.

Last season, after 12 games played: 13 points.  (13th place)
This season, after 12 games played: 14 points.  (13th place)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on November 19, 2015, 04:09:17 PM
We are notoriously poor in the run up before the new year. It seems to be the time we always take a nose-dive. It saw off Clarke and Irvine in recent history.

I'll reserve judgement until 1st January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2015, 06:03:23 PM
Anyone hear Durham say we shouldnt be allowed to be in the premier playing this style of football, he got right stuck into our not trying to win against Man Utd :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on November 19, 2015, 06:11:34 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on November 19, 2015, 02:32:34 PM
Here some more facts.  £40 million spent.

Last season, after 12 games played: 13 points.  (13th place)
This season, after 12 games played: 14 points.  (13th place)

Will there be more than 18 points after 19 games?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Groovephil on November 19, 2015, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: MarkW on November 19, 2015, 04:09:17 PM
We are notoriously poor in the run up before the new year. It seems to be the time we always take a nose-dive. It saw off Clarke and Irvine in recent history.

I'll reserve judgement until 1st January.

I was only thinking this today. We are awful in Nov/Dec, with the Christmas period usually the peak of our dreadfulness. Really hope we can break this cycle for once!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2015, 07:04:07 PM
I didnt catch it but did anyone hear the Tony Pulis hour on WM
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on November 19, 2015, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2015, 06:03:23 PM
Anyone hear Durham say we shouldnt be allowed to be in the premier playing this style of football, he got right stuck into our not trying to win against Man Utd :)

He has every right to critisize seeing how the Posh are currently unbeaten in November  :o

The bloke is an absolute cock and shouldn't be given any air time  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 19, 2015, 08:49:15 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2015, 07:04:07 PM
I didnt catch it but did anyone hear the Tony Pulis hour on WM

Yes nothing major apart his four favourite songs were
Acka Bilk - Stranger on the shore
Frank Sinatra - My Way
Eva Cassidy - Over the rainbow
Pavorotti - Nessun Dorma

Oh and he would like another couple of players in January
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on November 19, 2015, 09:04:08 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on November 19, 2015, 08:49:15 PM
Oh and he would like another couple of players in January

Hopefully that will be Austin and Phillips with the cash that we get for "he who cannot head the ball"!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 20, 2015, 09:03:22 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2015, 07:04:07 PM
I didnt catch it but did anyone hear the Tony Pulis hour on WM

Nothing much other than general biographical stuff but

1. He would like another 3 years at the Hawthorns
2. More players he even uttered the phrase "full back"
3. He doesn't like international breaks
4. Needs to change things at the club but the same unspecific things that he has bee talking about for nearly 12 months

Pulis is engaging to listen to but 3 more years of Pulisball is a tough ask

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on November 20, 2015, 09:22:52 AM
Anyone listen to his hour long interview on WM last night

Top man
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on November 20, 2015, 09:36:24 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0375q54

That's the interview.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34860557

That's a column on the interview

Tony Pulis: West Bromwich Albion boss on how football has changed

West Bromwich Albion boss Tony Pulis says he would no longer be in football management if he had not learned to adapt in the way he handles players.

The 57-year-old Baggies head coach has been a manager for over 23 years - or fast approaching 1,000 football matches - at eight different clubs.

"It's become a lot different to what it used to be," he told BBC WM.

"But, unless you're prepared to change, if I had not adapted, then Tony Pulis wouldn't be in football."

Pulis has been in charge at Bournemouth, Gillingham, Bristol City, Portsmouth, Stoke City (twice), Plymouth Argyle, Crystal Palace and now Albion since he first entered management.

It was in June 1992 that he stepped up from player-coach to replace Harry Redknapp at Dean Court when his old boss left to return to West Ham as assistant manager to Billy Bonds.

Since then, he has won more of his 958 games in charge than he has lost - 353 to 323 - in the top four divisions of English football.
But, in a revealing exchange with BBC WM's Paul Franks, despite the frustrations of having to keep within the budget of a lowly but now established Premier League club who are still open to takeover offers, he makes it clear that he remains as committed and passionate as ever about football management.

"If you said I can have another three years at the club and do what I wanted to do within those three years, then I'd be more than happy," he added.

What has changed the most?

"Dealing with players. Years ago, they weren't all multi-millionaires. They weren't earning what they're earning now. Players have become like the film stars of the 1960s and 70s. They're recognised everywhere they go.

"Football has gone through the roof in lots of respects. Not all good, in my opinion, but you have to deal with it and work with it. There's too many other things that go on now and surround football.

"There used to be a little bit more respect and perspective and love of what they were involved in. But I don't say that in a bad way."

Players don't talk any more

"You can get on a team bus now and the lads will stick their earphones on and get their computers out and do what they do. But I'm not into all the gadgets. I'm just a human being who enjoys other people's company.

"When we were young, on coach trips to away games when I was at Bournemouth, there'd be four of us at the front of the bus - myself, Sean O'Driscoll, Gerry Peyton and Mark O'Connor (now part of Pulis' Albion coaching team).

"All we'd do is sit there and talk football. We'd discuss the game, the training, the things that were relevant to our our lives.
"If we'd been up at Middlesbrough we'd talk football all the way back to Bournemouth. Unfortunately, I just don't see that so much any more."

It's the fans who now do all the talking

"Everybody has an opinion. Everybody understands the game better than you do.

"You respect people's opinions. But, if you listened to what everybody said, it would drive you insane.

"This is the best footballing nation in the world. Without the support the clubs get, the passion and the commitment that supporters show their clubs, we wouldn't be where we are now. It's almost tribal.

"But it makes it more difficult than ever to manage."

And who does the talking at home?

"I'm a nightmare. If we lose, even at this stage of my career, I manage it a little bit better but I'm not good to be around. I analyse things too much. My wife's been able to put up with me for a long time now and the children understand and accept the way I am. But I can be a nightmare at times.

"My wife's been with me since I was 18. She knows how I work, accepts the way I am, how I am as a person, as an individual. She works around me.

"My son [Anthony] is away working in America at the moment. He's decided to go into coaching now, taking the Under-21s at Orlando City. He understands what Dad goes through and the life I lead. We talk twice, maybe three times a day. It'll be interesting to see how he works and reacts to the rigours of management.

"My two daughters tell me if I need to lighten up. lf there's two people in the world who can get away with it, it's Laura and Stephanie. But the girls are also very protective of me."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 20, 2015, 03:06:36 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on November 19, 2015, 09:04:08 PM
Hopefully that will be Austin and Phillips with the cash that we get for "he who cannot head the ball"!

Shouldn't that read "he whose goals have kept us in this division"?

As much as I rate Austin he won't score goals in a Pulis side IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 20, 2015, 03:32:10 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on November 20, 2015, 03:06:36 PM
Shouldn't that read "he whose goals have kept us in this division"?

As much as I rate Austin he won't score goals in a Pulis side IMO.

Albion would have survived last season even if Berahino hadn't scored a single goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on November 20, 2015, 03:52:37 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on November 20, 2015, 03:06:36 PM
Shouldn't that read "he whose goals have kept us in this division"?

As much as I rate Austin he won't score goals in a Pulis side IMO.

I'm sure he would have scored the close range headers Berahino has missed this season.

Austin is a lot more clinical inside the penalty area, whereas Berahino has that touch of class at the edge of the box that Austin will probably never have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 20, 2015, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on November 20, 2015, 03:52:37 PM
I'm sure he would have scored the close range headers Berahino has missed this season.

Austin is a lot more clinical inside the penalty area, whereas Berahino has that touch of class at the edge of the box that Austin will probably never have.

So would I! :D

Better players than Berahino will miss sitters like that. Wasn't it his first touch?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 20, 2015, 05:20:11 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on November 20, 2015, 03:32:10 PM
Albion would have survived last season even if Berahino hadn't scored a single goal.

Berahino's goals earned us 10 points last season. Considering we finished on 44 and Hull on 35 then without his goals we would have gone down. We certainly would have done the year before too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 20, 2015, 06:23:02 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on November 20, 2015, 05:20:11 PM
Berahino's goals earned us 10 points last season. Considering we finished on 44 and Hull on 35 then without his goals we would have gone down. We certainly would have done the year before too.

Berahino's goals earned the club an extra 8 points:

-1 against Sunderland, 1 against United, 1 against Palace, 1 against West Ham, 2 against Hull and 2 against Southampton.

Take these out and Albion would still have survived.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on November 20, 2015, 06:42:04 PM
Quote from: fpvmtimbdbo on November 20, 2015, 06:23:02 PM
Berahino's goals earned the club an extra 8 points:

-1 against Sunderland, 1 against United, 1 against Palace, 1 against West Ham, 2 against Hull and 2 against Southampton.

Take these out and Albion would still have survived.

Thats fine then if we are happy to settle for 17th every season. And how about the year before?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on November 20, 2015, 07:14:14 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on November 20, 2015, 06:42:04 PM
Thats fine then if we are happy to settle for 17th every season. And how about the year before?

This is an absurd debate.  Who is to say that his replacement wouldn't have scored in those games if he hadn't been playing?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on November 20, 2015, 08:28:57 PM
I actually feel a tad more sympathetic for the players after hearing garner and pulis quotes this week, no question in my mind the players suffer from serious confidence issues.

Very easy for me to be saying they have no spine and there absolute bottlers which I have done but I feel a bit bad after reading there quotes saying how much they lack confidence to see out games from leading positions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 20, 2015, 09:20:30 PM
Tony Pulis's is so naff and the football he gives is so dire. He is killing the Albion, he is killing the team we love. He shat all over Astle day. He is the footballing equivalent of a damp tea towel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on November 20, 2015, 09:35:18 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 20, 2015, 09:20:30 PM
Tony Pulis's is so naff and the football he gives is so dire. He is killing the Albion, he is killing the team we love. He shat all over Astle day. He is the footballing equivalent of a damp tea towel.

I hated him for that day and the players, like I said what garner and pulis have said this week makes me realize they have serious confidence issues.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 10:02:28 AM
I'm gutted to say that Pulis has killed it for me. In the main I've stopped posting on here because I'm losing the passion to even debate anything Albion.

With the rare exception, performances under Pulis are dire, and I just can't stand watching us. I've nothing on this afternoon but feel like I need to engineer a reason to be out the house so that I don't end up watching it.

Can't believe he has made me feel this way about my club, but when he was appointed I knew this would happen and sadly he has lived up to my expectations. I also simply don't get the media love in with him.

This isn't a dig about him as a person, I think he comes across, its about his football principles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2015, 10:21:28 AM
I still don't understand how anyone can be unhappy with how we have played since January but wasn't voicing the same concerns since October 2013. The mind boggles, we have been very poor since Berahino scored his first PL goal at Old Trafford, it goes that far back. Pulis has got a massive job on. I'll be complaining along with you dissenters if it hasn't improved by this time next year, but I'm happy to accept functionality in the interim to put us on a much sounder footing, which was and still is absolutely required.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 21, 2015, 12:16:12 PM
Reading some of the threads/posts on here I can only admire how many of you are still able to drag yourselves out of bed of a morning, log on to the internet and post.

So many appear to be in the grips of clinical depression it's unreal.

While I appreciate the football is not the most pleasing on the eye, we are not as bad as many  make out.

Granted forums are for the expression of opinion, but much of this thread is utter tripe.
 :-[.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on November 21, 2015, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2015, 10:21:28 AM
I still don't understand how anyone can be unhappy with how we have played since January but wasn't voicing the same concerns since October 2013. The mind boggles, we have been very poor since Berahino scored his first PL goal at Old Trafford, it goes that far back. Pulis has got a massive job on. I'll be complaining along with you dissenters if it hasn't improved by this time next year, but I'm happy to accept functionality in the interim to put us on a much sounder footing, which was and still is absolutely required.
I think it goes back even further. We had a blistering start to the season under Clarke but it seemed to go downhill after losing to Swansea away in midweek. The season just dwindled away, culminating in Clarke getting sacked 12 months later. It's a massive job at Albion to even get us back to where we were under Hodgson.

There have been too many poor signings and managers we are basically back to square one. Even Pulis may have a problem turning this one around.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on November 21, 2015, 12:16:12 PM
Reading some of the threads/posts on here I can only admire how many of you are still able to drag yourselves out of bed of a morning, log on to the internet and post.

So many appear to be in the grips of clinical depression it's unreal.

While I appreciate the football is not the most pleasing on the eye, we are not as bad as many  make out.

Granted forums are for the expression of opinion, but much of this thread is utter tripe.
 :-[.

Much like the football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 21, 2015, 02:37:12 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2015, 10:21:28 AM
I still don't understand how anyone can be unhappy with how we have played since January but wasn't voicing the same concerns since October 2013. The mind boggles, we have been very poor since Berahino scored his first PL goal at Old Trafford, it goes that far back. Pulis has got a massive job on. I'll be complaining along with you dissenters if it hasn't improved by this time next year, but I'm happy to accept functionality in the interim to put us on a much sounder footing, which was and still is absolutely required.

I agree it is a big job and ultimately his remit is to keep us up which he will do IMO. However I can't really see how things will improve. He's bought in 11 players already most of whom aren't good enough to warrant a start. He hasn't really addressed our weaknesses and will never change his negative approach to games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2015, 06:05:21 PM
Eerily quiet tonight after things worked out for our Tone today. I must admit when we were 1-0 down i thought we'd struggle and we looked a little clueless in the final third but the defence and likes of Yacob earned this win today. We certainly had some luck too but we've also had some bad luck this season so we can't just point towards luck tonight if we're happy to criticise Pulis when we are on the wrong end of bad luck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 21, 2015, 06:25:45 PM
We deserved some luck after the Leicester game. Well done TP, deserves praise for today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 21, 2015, 06:34:28 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 02:05:16 PM
Much like the football.

Hope you enjoyed the day Frazzle, I certainly did and will do into the evening....

..... curry awaits.

SOTV.

 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 21, 2015, 06:39:23 PM
The way we played today does it not baffle anyone else why we haven't been doing this more. We look at our worst when sitting back. Press and we look decent, it's not rocket science.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 07:29:05 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on November 21, 2015, 06:34:28 PM
Hope you enjoyed the day Frazzle, I certainly did and will do into the evening....

..... curry awaits.

SOTV.

 8).

 :D yep, good result. On the odd occasions there have been good performances. But it will probably be followed by drab negative rubbish.

Im pleased with today, really pleased, but I would still open the champagne if he left
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on November 21, 2015, 07:50:00 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 07:29:05 PM
:D yep, good result. On the odd occasions there have been good performances. But it will probably be followed by drab negative rubbish.

Im pleased with today, really pleased, but I would still open the champagne if he left

Sorry but you will have to keep that champagne on ice for a good while yet
Go down the pub and drown your sorrows about an Albion win
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 21, 2015, 07:53:33 PM
Credit where it's due and he had the team well prepared today
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MICKYMEL on November 21, 2015, 07:58:22 PM
Wish we had gone for someone more attacking like Tim sherwood..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 08:04:58 PM
Quote from: tylerm on November 21, 2015, 07:50:00 PM
Sorry but you will have to keep that champagne on ice for a good while yet
Go down the pub and drown your sorrows about an Albion win

Dear God, I said I'm pleased with the win. Im just not getting carried away. He's not my kind of manager, and he doesn't play the kind of football I want to see. Don't see whats wrong with that.

Today we tried to win, so I'm happy. Other days, most days, we don't try to win, and that hacks me off. Maybe that's what you want to see. I don't know, each to their own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 21, 2015, 08:09:45 PM
The silent majority of fans are enjoying the win and thanking Tone tonight. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stubba on November 21, 2015, 08:16:25 PM
Still feel his negative substitutions put the team under pressure we played better today going at them the changes brought them onto us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 08:17:51 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on November 21, 2015, 08:09:45 PM
The silent majority of fans are enjoying the win and thanking Tone tonight. ;D

i think everybody is enjoying then tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2015, 08:22:46 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 07:29:05 PM
:D yep, good result. On the odd occasions there have been good performances. But it will probably be followed by drab negative rubbish.

Im pleased with today, really pleased, but I would still open the champagne if he left

Crazy, who would you then employ to get us promoted from the Championship with half a team?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 21, 2015, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on November 21, 2015, 08:09:45 PM
The silent majority of fans are enjoying the win and thanking Tone tonight. ;D

Yes I am! Pulis has a great record against backside. Lad's pleased too, his best mate is an arsefan.

Great result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 08:51:50 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2015, 08:22:46 PM
Crazy, who would you then employ to get us promoted from the Championship with half a team?

I don't follow. Do you mean that if he left we would automatically be relegated? I guess if we were relegated we would lose some players? Its bit of a leap.

I don't like his style of football. If he left tomorrow I'd be delighted. We don't have to have Pulis to stay in the premiership. And if we actually want to progress, he's not the man. Just my view, and its the same view I had the day he joined.

Perfect world would be that he matches his organisational skills with an ability to create a team that actually tries to win every game it competes in. We did well today, and we tried to win, so I'm happy. But more often than not we are set up to draw, and to draw in a mind numbingly boring way.

Some empty spaces in the stands today, low goals tally, least watched on Sky - this is because of his style of play. Some don't mind it and some actually like it, which is fine, and then there are those like me that really don't like it.

There are also those who slated Stoke for years, and now suddenly appreciate his football which I really don't get.

Not sure that makes me crazy, just a different view from you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MICKYMEL on November 21, 2015, 08:55:37 PM
The silent majority of fans are enjoying the win and thanking Tone tonight. ;D


Yes. And when we lose the pulls out brigade will pipe up. And when we get a good result guess what?
Swings and roundabouts but bottom line we stop up this season . With tony we will without we won't. It's that simple
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 21, 2015, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 08:51:50 PM
I don't follow. Do you mean that if he left we would automatically be relegated? I guess if we were relegated we would lose some players? Its bit of a leap.

I don't like his style of football. If he left tomorrow I'd be delighted. We don't have to have Pulis to stay in the premiership. And if we actually want to progress, he's not the man. Just my view, and its the same view I had the day he joined.

Perfect world would be that he matches his organisational skills with an ability to create a team that actually tries to win every game it competes in. We did well today, and we tried to win, so I'm happy. But more often than not we are set up to draw, and to draw in a mind numbingly boring way.

Some empty spaces in the stands today, low goals tally, least watched on Sky - this is because of his style of play. Some don't mind it and some actually like it, which is fine, and then there are those like me that really don't like it.

There are also those who slated Stoke for years, and now suddenly appreciate his football which I really don't get.

Not sure that makes me crazy, just a different view from you.

How about you just give him a chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 09:03:59 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on November 21, 2015, 09:00:25 PM
How about you just give him a chance.

That's nearly a year. Almost a full season. Two transfer windows. Not to mention seeing 7 years Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on November 21, 2015, 09:19:42 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 08:51:50 PM
I don't follow. Do you mean that if he left we would automatically be relegated? I guess if we were relegated we would lose some players? Its bit of a leap.

I don't like his style of football. If he left tomorrow I'd be delighted. We don't have to have Pulis to stay in the premiership. And if we actually want to progress, he's not the man. Just my view, and its the same view I had the day he joined.

Perfect world would be that he matches his organisational skills with an ability to create a team that actually tries to win every game it competes in. We did well today, and we tried to win, so I'm happy. But more often than not we are set up to draw, and to draw in a mind numbingly boring way.

Some empty spaces in the stands today, low goals tally, least watched on Sky - this is because of his style of play. Some don't mind it and some actually like it, which is fine, and then there are those like me that really don't like it.

There are also those who slated Stoke for years, and now suddenly appreciate his football which I really don't get.

Not sure that makes me crazy, just a different view from you.

Think the empty seats are more to do with the quite ludicrous cost. We're not Arsenal. This area has been one of the hardest hit by the recession and £40 a ticket is a disgrace in my eyes. Shame on Mr Peace. As for TP I'm very happy with him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on November 21, 2015, 09:22:05 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 09:03:59 PM
That's nearly a year. Almost a full season. Two transfer windows. Not to mention seeing 7 years Stoke.

So you're a Stokie then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on November 21, 2015, 09:22:05 PM
So you're a Stokie then?

Thank God no! But we saw Stoke under Pulis for 7 odd years from afar didn't we. Didn't like what we saw then, and mocked Stoke fans for having to watch his football. Now he's here, some of us have changed our tune.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2015, 09:27:58 PM
The notion that without Pulis we are somehow doomed to relegation makes no sense. Equally a more expansive style of football might have been rewarded with 17 points from 13 games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 21, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
I thought in today's game we looked like that counter attacking team people assume we are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2015, 09:49:00 PM
He seemed to employ an attacking option at the start of the game.
More of it, please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on November 21, 2015, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 09:25:12 PM
Thank God no! But we saw Stoke under Pulis for 7 odd years from afar didn't we. Didn't like what we saw then, and mocked Stoke fans for having to watch his football. Now he's here, some of us have changed our tune.

Some of us haven't, some of us have always admired the way his teams have managed to grind out points, sometimes against  the odds.

We would all like to see the Atkinson / Mowbray style at the Hawthorns, but points will always be more important than performance.

Arsenal deserved something from their approach and performance today but how good does it feel to send them back to London without any points?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 21, 2015, 10:18:18 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 09:03:59 PM
That's nearly a year. Almost a full season. Two transfer windows. Not to mention seeing 7 years Stoke.

Is that nearly a year of bitching and moaning or nearly a year in charge. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on November 21, 2015, 11:03:42 PM
So pleased (obviously) with the result and performance today. I don't think it takes rocket science to realise that we don't have a team that has amazing technical ability - but it really does highlight that commitment and style often run a very close race. This isn't a reactionary post because we've won.....it just hits home that we are a very
efficient team at the moment. I completely agree with many....and that the football is drab at times (often!), but we haven't had much luck this season....it's great to see a reward for effort.

We should all respect that Pulis is a man that will/has made us a well oiled machine that is highly competitive. If in two years time, Pulis has gone....I'm sure we'll be finacially stronger...and this in turn will allow us to make choices on our future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 11:05:06 PM
I know Im about to get a pasting for this comment... :D...but...

Im watching Liverpool, high press, energy and attacking, and I just wish the club had backed Mel. He's not Klopp and we are not Liverpool, but this was what I thought his game was about. Shame.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 11:07:28 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on November 21, 2015, 10:18:18 PM
Is that nearly a year of bitching and moaning or nearly a year in charge. ;D

Both. Ive definitely been moaning for a year. :D In fact its longer than that. It includes sacking mel and appointing Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2015, 11:07:52 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 11:05:06 PM
I know Im about to get a pasting for this comment... :D...but...

Im watching Liverpool, high press, energy and attacking, and I just wish the club had backed Mel. He's not Klopp and we are not Liverpool, but this was what I thought his game was about. Shame.

We have got some top PL players, but aside from Morrison, Berahino and Brunt when Mel took over we had no one comfortable with a full press style. It would have needed an overhaul of epic proportions and I loved Mel but wouldn't have trusted him to overhaul 17 or 18 players in one summer window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on November 21, 2015, 11:10:37 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 11:05:06 PM
I know Im about to get a pasting for this comment... :D...but...

Im watching Liverpool, high press, energy and attacking, and I just wish the club had backed Mel. He's not Klopp and we are not Liverpool, but this was what I thought his game was about. Shame.

I get your point...but it's like feeding us all scraps of bacon, whilst we watch them getting roast pork! We all loved Mel, but to compare to an English fluent Klopp with the track record he has is fantasising a little.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 11:18:08 PM
Quote from: sconesy on November 21, 2015, 11:10:37 PM
I get your point...but it's like feeding us all scraps of bacon, whilst we watch them getting roast pork! We all loved Mel, but to compare to an English fluent Klopp with the track record he has is fantasising a little.

I could be wrong but was there not a rumour that Mel spoke better English that he was allowed to let on. I think I read on here that the club had made their mind up early which is why they didnt let him bring his coaches, and wasnt allowed to speak without an interpreter after matches.

Might be nonsense.

Any way, its a Pulis topic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on November 21, 2015, 11:25:51 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 11:18:08 PM
I could be wrong but was there not a rumour that Mel spoke better English that he was allowed to let on. I think I read on here that the club had made their mind up early which is why they didnt let him bring his coaches, and wasnt allowed to speak without an interpreter after matches.

Might be nonsense.

Any way, its a Pulis topic.

It is a Pulis topic...but I respect your opinion. I just feel that 'as things stand', fans may be in danger of thinking the grass is greener. I say let's accept Pulis for what he is, support him....and there WILL become a moment when the time for change arrives - then let's hope that at this point we get a manager that delivers the 'attractive' football we all want to see. But let's take a moment to realise that we're in a time where there's a frightening amount of cash for Prem teams.....you have to be in it to win it....and we're in it!! Big time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on November 21, 2015, 11:38:16 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 09:25:12 PM
Thank God no! But we saw Stoke under Pulis for 7 odd years from afar didn't we. Didn't like what we saw then, and mocked Stoke fans for having to watch his football. Now he's here, some of us have changed our tune.

Yeah I said the exact same thing in January. A stat doing the rounds at the time was Pulis having more wins at the Hawthorns than Mel and Irvine combined. Supporters like yourself used to hate seeing Pulis come to town with Stoke and walk away with the 3 points in his back pocket. If his record wasn't so good against West Brom there wouldn't be as much hate accumulated :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on November 22, 2015, 09:45:47 AM
Big credit to Tony Pulis and the players, great win!

Last two home games i have really enjoyed, okay we lost to leicester but we had a go and on another day things would of gone for us, today we did the same and those things did go for us.

We have been positive and shown intent to win the games, long may it continue.

Pulis now has 4-5 months working with the squad without international breaks (plus another transfer window) Man United was a disappointment in that we could of been more positive but in the last month, the other 3 games (Norwich, Leicester and Arsenal) i have been happy with the progress.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 22, 2015, 09:59:14 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 21, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
I thought in today's game we looked like that counter attacking team people assume we are.
In analysis, not a very good one! For the counter attacking we did, not one shot on goal created. Great result, good rub of the green and confirming  we are still a side that should stay up comfortably.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 22, 2015, 10:12:50 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2015, 11:07:52 PM
We have got some top PL players, but aside from Morrison, Berahino and Brunt when Mel took over we had no one comfortable with a full press style. It would have needed an overhaul of epic proportions and I loved Mel but wouldn't have trusted him to overhaul 17 or 18 players in one summer window.

Without going too off topic, i think you're right but there was a turnover of around 11 or 12 players. Ironically i think some would have really suited Mel's style – Gamboa, Pocognoli, Varela, Ideye. That could be wrong and we may have failed massively.

Just about to watch MOTD and maybe even Football First so i can make the most of this win and then return to this topic with some more level-headed opinions than i had in the in-game thread!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on November 22, 2015, 02:01:16 PM
i like the idea of playing 5 in the middle this worked well especially when morrisons on form as this formation allows him to get forward and he is one of our best finishers,hope pulis employs this formation more often
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 22, 2015, 09:53:21 PM
His playing method still stinks.
It wasn't his style which won yesterday.
It was as he said....Luck!
He has got to start playing skillful players in their correct position.
We basically play in our own third around our goal area, thus inviting teams to come at us, and have shots.
If any team has enough shots, the law of averages state that some will go in our net.
He is actually risking our survival and not as he would want us to believe him being our saviour.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 22, 2015, 10:00:35 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2015, 11:07:52 PM
We have got some top PL players, but aside from Morrison, Berahino and Brunt when Mel took over we had no one comfortable with a full press style. It would have needed an overhaul of epic proportions and I loved Mel but wouldn't have trusted him to overhaul 17 or 18 players in one summer window.
Don't forget the Scot who's now at Norwich....Mel rated him and he suited the style well (apart from being knack'd after 65 - 70 minutes).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on November 22, 2015, 10:05:08 PM
The bloke would be more suited to a drill Sargent
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 22, 2015, 10:39:01 PM
Quote from: johnthebaggie on November 21, 2015, 12:27:54 PM
I think it goes back even further. We had a blistering start to the season under Clarke but it seemed to go downhill after losing to Swansea away in midweek. The season just dwindled away, culminating in Clarke getting sacked 12 months later. It's a massive job at Albion to even get us back to where we were under Hodgson.

There have been too many poor signings and managers we are basically back to square one. Even Pulis may have a problem turning this one around.
Went to the matches at Swansea and Cardiff , two of the worst baggies away days, agree it's a big job but there have been some very strange decisions?
Credit due though, beating arsenal was a seriously good job well done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 22, 2015, 11:49:30 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on November 21, 2015, 11:38:16 PM
Yeah I said the exact same thing in January. A stat doing the rounds at the time was Pulis having more wins at the Hawthorns than Mel and Irvine combined. Supporters like yourself used to hate seeing Pulis come to town with Stoke and walk away with the 3 points in his back pocket. If his record wasn't so good against West Brom there wouldn't be as much hate accumulated :)
I think it's a bit unfair to judge Pulis on his time at Stoke in relation to where he is now. His current win rate is at 40%, whereas with Stoke it was at 36% in his second time round. Obviously, a lot of those wins came in the few years he was in the Championship where he would naturally win a lot more games than the top-flight.
So, in short you could say his win rate was about 32% in the Prem (that is being fairly conservative). That is an 8% difference which is pretty big. Over the course of the season that's a few more wins, which is obviously quite a difference.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on November 23, 2015, 07:37:37 AM
Beat Arsenal and the haters are still hating
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 23, 2015, 08:09:36 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on November 22, 2015, 09:53:21 PM
His playing method still stinks.
It wasn't his style which won yesterday.
It was as he said....[b]Luck![/b]
He has got to start playing skillful players in their correct position.
We basically play in our own third around our goal area, thus inviting teams to come at us, and have shots.
If any team has enough shots, the law of averages state that some will go in our net.
He is actually risking our survival and not as he would want us to believe him being our saviour.

Was it Gary Player who said, 'the more I practise, the luckier I get'! ;D

It does seem we get more good fortune now than in past seasons, I for one don't think that is coincidental, Stoke used to get lucky as well
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 23, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
The plain fact is that we are probably not going to beat Arsenal without a bit of good fortune regardless of who the coach is and given the gulf in class we are going to have to defend for our lives at some point in the game to achieve that result.

The criticism of Pulis is not about results but about the type of football that he deploys to achieve them and while parking the bus against Arsenal might be the way to go doing that week in week out against lesser opponents is overly cautious.

 If I merely looked at the result and didn't pay to watch I would probably like Pulis a lot more than I do.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on November 23, 2015, 09:51:41 AM
I enjoyed saturday and not just because of the result.

We were playing a very good team who would beat us most weeks, based on past experience i was expecting us to show no ambition and it to be like when we played Leicester last season, Palace this season when anybody going over the halfway line was being too adventurous.

However on saturday although the stats show we only had 1 shot, we had a few other openings, Rondons volley over, Olssons header, plus we were in their half a lot more than i expected and tried to be positive. Second half we tried the ball over the top on the counter which could understand as Mertesacker looked awful, and it was working with Rondon but we lost the edge when he went off.

It reminded me of the Leicester game but the breaks went our way this time, if the rest of the home games are like the last two  i will be happy and gladly eating a large slice of humble pie! (it would be a large slice too, i like pies!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on November 23, 2015, 11:25:40 AM
Didn't go to the Arsenal game and haven't even seen the highlights, but it's very pleasing to see us finally coming from behind to win a game. Hopefully this gives us a little more confidence to get back into games when we go behind.

Have to give Pulis credit for this result, obviously a little bit of good fortune helped but we still had a lot of work to do to win the game. Credit where it's due.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 23, 2015, 11:39:12 AM
Had positive feelings ahead of this game and thoroughly enjoyed the day.
Was absolutely buzzing afterwards and the Vile's continuing nose dive only enhanced my evening.
Chuffed to bits.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 23, 2015, 11:47:51 AM
Mark Chapman on MOTD2 was commenting on how to compete with the press following yesterday's THFCvWHU game yesterday. Both pundits said that WHU should have played long balls up to targets up the pitch rather than playing out of defense. Isn't that what we do?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on November 23, 2015, 12:24:37 PM
you have got to love a team that scores more goals than they have shots on target......having to watch the buggers is another thing altogether!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 23, 2015, 12:51:41 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 23, 2015, 11:47:51 AM
Mark Chapman on MOTD2 was commenting on how to compete with the press following yesterday's THFCvWHU game yesterday. Both pundits said that WHU should have played long balls up to targets up the pitch rather than playing out of defense. Isn't that what we do?

They said they should mix up the approach, play some short, some long, so that it wasn't predictable for Spurs to deal with. That is not at all what we do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on November 23, 2015, 05:26:59 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on November 23, 2015, 07:37:37 AM
Beat Arsenal and the haters are still hating
you are right they cant say its the worse team in the league we beat (vile),or 9 man stoke or blah blah blah
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on November 23, 2015, 05:37:13 PM
Why would anyone criticize after Saturday ? I think pulis is a good results based manager and some performances are good but my dislike for he's approach comes through not liking he's personality.

No reason to be negative after beating what many thought are the best team in the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 23, 2015, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on November 23, 2015, 05:37:13 PM
Why would anyone criticize after Saturday ? I think pulis is a good results based manager and some performances are good but my dislike for he's approach comes through not liking he's personality.

No reason to be negative after beating what many thought are the best team in the league.
because we managed to win a game 2-1 with one shot on target. No matter what you can say to try and dispute/ignore the elephant in the room, we got lucky, and we didn't create much luck ourselves bar the OG which Arteta was stupid enough to handle. Almost ALL luck was against Arsenal, rather than for us.

when you also take into account the number of times we've failed to win or even get a point when the other team scores (not even from a losing position, just when they SCORE) demonstrates just how much of a freak result this was.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on November 23, 2015, 05:54:36 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on November 23, 2015, 05:52:57 PM
because we managed to win a game 2-1 with one shot on target. No matter what you can say to try and dispute/ignore the elephant in the room, we got lucky, and we didn't create much luck ourselves bar the OG which Arteta was stupid enough to handle. Almost ALL luck was against Arsenal, rather than for us.

when you also take into account the number of times we've failed to win or even get a point when the other team scores (not even from a losing position, just when they SCORE) demonstrates just how much of a freak result this was.

Will put you on the line for the next game mate, just enjoy it ffs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 23, 2015, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on November 23, 2015, 05:52:57 PM
because we managed to win a game 2-1 with one shot on target. No matter what you can say to try and dispute/ignore the elephant in the room, we got lucky, and we didn't create much luck ourselves bar the OG which Arteta was stupid enough to handle. Almost ALL luck was against Arsenal, rather than for us.

when you also take into account the number of times we've failed to win or even get a point when the other team scores (not even from a losing position, just when they SCORE) demonstrates just how much of a freak result this was.
And I suppose Jonas Olsson grazing the bar to make it 3-1 wasn't bad luck then?

We played well. You need to be lucky to beat teams like Arsenal and we were. We're 17 points deep now and 13 games in, our wins have often been called 'lucky', but many of our losses and draws have also been unlucky, so it's quite even in my view.
If it was one or two games in, then fair enough. When you get this deep it isn't luck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 23, 2015, 06:48:11 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on November 23, 2015, 05:52:57 PM
Almost ALL luck was against Arsenal, rather than for us.

Right that's it for me for a couple of weeks.
I've read some utter bilge on here from a variety of posters this last couple of months but this takes the biscuit.

You can dress it up how you like in terms of possession stat's and whatever, but essentially you're even whinging because we had some luck go our way for once. Revel in your own misery if you wish.

Bloody hell.
Forum fatigue has taken its toll.
 ::).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on November 23, 2015, 07:07:59 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on November 23, 2015, 05:52:57 PM
because we managed to win a game 2-1 with one shot on target. No matter what you can say to try and dispute/ignore the elephant in the room, we got lucky, and we didn't create much luck ourselves bar the OG which Arteta was stupid enough to handle. Almost ALL luck was against Arsenal, rather than for us.

when you also take into account the number of times we've failed to win or even get a point when the other team scores (not even from a losing position, just when they SCORE) demonstrates just how much of a freak result this was.
Given that Ozils shot and Ollys header cancel each other out in the luck stakes then the only time we got really lucky was the nature of the penalty miss. Hardly any of Arsenals shots on goal needed more than a routine save indeed it could be argued that last 5 minutes apart there wwas more scrambling around at the other end, did Berahino really foul the defender!!??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on November 23, 2015, 07:57:23 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on November 23, 2015, 05:52:57 PM
because we managed to win a game 2-1 with one shot on target. No matter what you can say to try and dispute/ignore the elephant in the room, we got lucky, and we didn't create much luck ourselves bar the OG which Arteta was stupid enough to handle. Almost ALL luck was against Arsenal, rather than for us.

when you also take into account the number of times we've failed to win or even get a point when the other team scores (not even from a losing position, just when they SCORE) demonstrates just how much of a freak result this was.
im not a fan of pulis,but anybody who actually went and watched this game rather than just look at stats would agree that we got three points deservedly,in the first half I thought we always looked more likely to score as we pressed them really well,the og was not luck mclean did really well and drilled the ball straight across goal,if dawson and sess had done this more often this season ,on the law of averages it will bounce in off a defender,they hit the post so what we hit the bar,they missed a penalty,a lot of refs wouldn't have given it for an off the ball incident in the first place,myhill had I rountine save to make off a free kick ,that was it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on November 23, 2015, 08:07:03 PM
yes we had the luck, but we had none against Everton and Leicester both of which most neutral observers said could have gone either way.  Evens out over the season, usually.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on November 24, 2015, 08:00:42 AM
Quote from: mulliganstired on November 23, 2015, 08:07:03 PM
yes we had the luck, but we had none against Everton and Leicester both of which most neutral observers said could have gone either way.  Evens out over the season, usually.

thought I'd mis-read Evans was out for the season for a second - phew!

It's no co-incidence the more successful teams/ better players seem to overall have more luck in football. They must put themselves in better positions to benefit from lucky breaks. We were lucky to beat Arsenal in the end but we also defended well as a team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on November 24, 2015, 09:02:55 AM
The simple fact is that for some, Pulis will never be accepted and when we win, there will be an angle to attack it (luck, they were rubbish, players sent off etc), and when we lose, it's all Pulis' fault!

How many saves did Myhill actually have to make Saturday??? Arsenal got into plenty of decent attacking positions...as you'd expect from a team of their quality...but didn't really create that many good chances! Is that luck or is that good Albion defending???

To beat Arsenal and then moan about luck shows just how ridiculous some fans expectations are, and also shows Pulis will never win fans over. I'd consider myself a Pulis fan but I can't argue that some of the performances this season haven't been good enough. However this club has been on a backwards spiral for a few years now - for me, if we are to improve and start moving forward, a period of stability and not having to fight until the last day to stay up and relying on others is needed. Some of the football we have watched this season hasn't been good enough, and it isn't something I want to watch for years to come, but for the moment I can accept it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on November 24, 2015, 09:03:19 AM
Did we moan about luck when Arsenal missed a penalty when we beat them 3-2 at their place???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on November 24, 2015, 09:34:28 AM
Quote from: AshD on November 24, 2015, 09:03:19 AM
Did we moan about luck when Arsenal missed a penalty when we beat them 3-2 at their place???
we (Brunt) had a penalty saved that day if you're talking about 2010 and we were absolutely amazing to watch, one of the best games I've been to in my 30+ years of going.....this was my 5-3 game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on November 24, 2015, 10:17:14 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on November 24, 2015, 09:34:28 AM
we (Brunt) had a penalty saved that day if you're talking about 2010 and we were absolutely amazing to watch, one of the best games I've been to in my 30+ years of going.....this was my 5-3 game.

That is very true haha, my error! Going senile at 30 years of age...quite worrying!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 24, 2015, 01:31:40 PM
we used to moan about being a yo-yo club and jp having no ambition.

now we moan about our style of play .

suppose you call that progress.

::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggieblood on November 24, 2015, 02:14:42 PM
The more the training with defence does the luckier they get.

Pulis can win the double and would still get hammered by some.

Personally i over the moon after beating a team who not long ago battered the vile in the most one sided cup final  i have ever seen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 24, 2015, 04:52:52 PM
Quote from: Baggieblood on November 24, 2015, 02:14:42 PM
The more the training with defence does the luckier they get.

Pulis can win the double and would still get hammered by some.

Personally i over the moon after beating a team who not long ago battered the vile in the most one sided cup final  i have ever seen.
And I'm still celebrating!  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 24, 2015, 05:22:33 PM
Quote from: Baggieblood on November 24, 2015, 02:14:42 PM
The more the training with defence does the luckier they get.

Pulis can win the double and would still get hammered by some.

Personally i over the moon after beating a team who not long ago battered the vile in the most one sided cup final  i have ever seen.
It's a shame arsenal don't play them soon so they can hit someone hard in their quest for the premiership ...oh wait a minute  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 26, 2015, 06:27:15 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on November 23, 2015, 07:07:59 PM
Given that Ozils shot and Ollys header cancel each other out in the luck stakes then the only time we got really lucky was the nature of the penalty miss. Hardly any of Arsenals shots on goal needed more than a routine save indeed it could be argued that last 5 minutes apart there wwas more scrambling around at the other end, did Berahino really foul the defender!!??

Even the luck of the penalty miss is debatable.  A lot of people would argue that the penalty might not have been given in the first place as no Arsenal player complained and there is a lot of holding that goes unpunished.  They then missed the penalty which may or may not be bad luck. When JM missed a penalty against Chelsea we didn't say it as unlucky. 

Yes the match could easily have gone the other way but I wouldn't agree that it was just that Arsenal were unlucky.  Also,  as others have pointed out, luck evens itself out. In a different world in recent matches one of Berahinos headers would have gone in, Evens and Fletchers penalty appeals etc would have been given.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 27, 2015, 01:45:57 PM
I've just had a call from Tony thanking me for my support and mentioning that there are half season tickets for sale and wishing me a happy Christmas etc.Very nice sentiments thanks but Tony you couldn't sell me anything you need to brush up on your telephone skills,you sounded so depressed,good job I'm a fan,its so funny anybody else had a call yet?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 27, 2015, 01:48:48 PM
I need to hear this!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Costakiblue on November 27, 2015, 03:37:09 PM
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/west_bromwich_albion/228301/west-brom-fans-left-dumbfounded-after-receiving-strange-phone-calls-from-tony-pulis.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 27, 2015, 04:15:43 PM
XD I had not one but three calls in the space of 15 mins with that recorded message. On top of that I also had three texts. I thought someone was on a wind up!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 27, 2015, 05:10:53 PM
Quote from: crazedwbafan18 on November 27, 2015, 04:15:43 PM
XD I had not one but three calls in the space of 15 mins with that recorded message. On top of that I also had three texts. I thought someone was on a wind up!

Same here, two calls and two texts. Was pretty mad hearing Tony Pulis on the other end of the line, didnt sound very enthused about it all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 27, 2015, 05:22:12 PM
I had one as well today, I thought he sounded a little defensive. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 28, 2015, 08:17:17 PM
Prob a mess up from the office?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggieblood on November 28, 2015, 08:20:40 PM
He's been probably been made to sing for his supper.

Jezza: "If you want money in jan, there's the phone."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on November 28, 2015, 09:42:04 PM
Slaven Bilic has described Tony Pulis as 'a great coach' ahead of Sunday's Premier League clash between West Ham United and West Brom at Upton Park.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11685/10081974/west-ham-manager-slaven-bilic-praises-west-brom-boss-tony-pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 28, 2015, 10:33:24 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on November 28, 2015, 09:42:04 PM
Slaven Bilic has described Tony Pulis as 'a great coach' ahead of Sunday's Premier League clash between West Ham United and West Brom at Upton Park.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11685/10081974/west-ham-manager-slaven-bilic-praises-west-brom-boss-tony-pulis?

Hard to argue with him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2015, 01:09:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 28, 2015, 10:33:24 PM
Hard to argue with him.
I thought his English was meant to be quite good?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on November 30, 2015, 09:32:09 AM
Top 5 sides with the most possession this weekend failed to win.

United - 69%
Villa - 65%
Arsenal - 63%
West Ham - 61%
Spurs - 58%
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 30, 2015, 10:01:53 AM
That just proves its all well and good having the lions share of possession but the only thing that matters is what you do with the ball when you have it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2015, 10:25:49 AM
Another interesting stat that came from the weekend is that the teams which won all had more shots than the team they were playing.   :o

Stats indicate trends and taken in isolation prove little  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 30, 2015, 10:30:21 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2015, 10:25:49 AM
Another interesting stat that came from the weekend is that the teams which won all had more shots than the team they were playing.   :o

Stats indicate trends and taken in isolation prove little ;)

Statistically 65% of all statistics are incorrect  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on November 30, 2015, 11:55:30 AM
Quote from: Foster#1 on November 30, 2015, 09:32:09 AM
Top 5 sides with the most possession this weekend failed to win.

United - 69%
Villa - 65%
Arsenal - 63%
West Ham - 61%
Spurs - 58%

That tells me possession football is losing out to effective counter attacking football. There have been more wins for the away teams than for the home teams also.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on November 30, 2015, 12:14:58 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on November 30, 2015, 11:55:30 AM
That tells me possession football is losing out to effective counter attacking football. There have been more wins for the away teams than for the home teams also.

It doesn't tell you anything other than teams that dominated games of football over the weekend failed to win. Let's see where four of those five teams end up at the end of the season compared to the likes of us and Sunderland who average 30-40% possession.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on November 30, 2015, 12:24:35 PM
We aren't in the same league compared to them sides though Lloydy. Villa had 2nd best possession but still lost 3-2.

**** possession.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2015, 12:27:53 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on November 30, 2015, 10:30:21 AM
Statistically 65% of all statistics are incorrect  :o
The other 35% are made up!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on November 30, 2015, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2015, 10:25:49 AM
Another interesting stat that came from the weekend is that the teams which won all had more shots than the team they were playing.   :o

Stats indicate trends and taken in isolation prove little  ;)

I have just looked at the stats for the weekend and all teams that scored more goals than the other team won !!
Stats are amazing aren't they
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2015, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: tylerm on November 30, 2015, 12:30:14 PM
I have just looked at the stats for the weekend and all teams that scored more goals than the other team won !!
Stats are amazing aren't they
Technically, West Ham scored more than we did  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 30, 2015, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on November 30, 2015, 09:32:09 AM
Top 5 sides with the most possession this weekend failed to win.

United - 69%
Villa - 65%
Arsenal - 63%
West Ham - 61%
Spurs - 58%

Where are four of those sides in the league table? That's another useful statistic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on November 30, 2015, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on November 30, 2015, 12:41:50 PM
Where are four of those sides in the league table? That's another useful statistic.

Possession isn't important though. It's pure coincidence that teams that are better at keeping the ball are higher up the table...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2015, 01:01:34 PM
Isn't the table a collation of statistics?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mrmojorisin on November 30, 2015, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2015, 01:01:34 PM
Isn't the table a collation of statistics?
I thought a table had four legs and a top!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2015, 01:08:36 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on November 30, 2015, 11:55:30 AM
That tells me possession football is losing out to effective counter attacking football. There have been more wins for the away teams than for the home teams also.
It really tells you that? Only one of those sides lost (and they're SOTV). Counter attacking clearly is winning  ;)

Don't look at stats in isolation  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2015, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: mrmojorisin on November 30, 2015, 01:08:17 PM
I thought a table had four legs and a top!
Difference between a and the  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 01, 2015, 11:10:09 AM
Pulis and the team have put in some good shifts especially the last two games, two tough ones coming up then a big game against Bournemouth on the 19th although you never know under us how it will work out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on December 01, 2015, 01:20:25 PM
2nd most points (18) we've ever had in the Prem with 14 games gone. 1st was 12/13 with 26.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 01, 2015, 02:04:15 PM
Quote from: Webby on December 01, 2015, 01:20:25 PM
2nd most points (18) we've ever had in the Prem with 14 games gone. 1st was 12/13 with 26.

Odd isn't it? Because most of us would say this has been a dreadful season mostly.

I guess it's the classic Pulis agrument of style over substance.

The last few matches have tended to improve our style a little bit. Lets see how we're playing post January moves, so early March maybe?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on December 01, 2015, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on December 01, 2015, 02:04:15 PM
Odd isn't it? Because most of us would say this has been a dreadful season mostly.

I guess it's the classic Pulis agrument of style over substance.

The last few matches have tended to improve our style a little bit. Lets see how we're playing post January moves, so early March maybe?
I think a lot of it is down to our 'ugly' wins. Thinking about it, apart from Norwich, all of our wins have been from very ugly goals, i.e. Villa, Sunderland, Arsenal, Stoke (Vs 9 men) etc...even West Ham was a lucky deflection.
If we won in style people would be a lot more complimentary (personally I don't care).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 05, 2015, 08:00:27 PM
His tranfers have always been hit and miss , I'm not always keen on what he says Press wise but I feel Pulis is starting to establish himself with us now .Love the fight , love the width , love not half hearted performances being accepted and yet we are now capable of attackihg ourselves with purpose ( one day we will take our chances ).
Better , much better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on December 05, 2015, 09:49:04 PM
Quote from: Dexy on December 05, 2015, 08:00:27 PM
I feel Pulis is starting to establish himself with us now .Love the fight , love the width , love not half hearted performances being accepted and yet we are now capable of attackihg ourselves with purpose ( one day we will take our chances ).
Better , much better.

THIS. I think he is doing a cracking job and we're very lucky to have him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 05, 2015, 10:50:41 PM
I've been anti-Pulis since day one, and relatively vocal on the topic.

I've been frustrated by his approach, his team selections and the negativity.

There have been two consistent arguments that have bugged me:
 - the suggestion that you need to play Pulis style football to stay up
 - the suggestion that if we actually try and play positive football we will go down (usual mowbray arguments...)

...but actually all I've ever wanted is for us to play to win, to be positive and to give it a go.

The last three matches I feel that we have turned a corner. More positivity, more football on the ground, more Sess, Rondon coming on to a game, Evans proving to be the best signing in years, McLean adding a direct attacking approach to his industry, coming back to get a point or a win... but trying to win the game ...we are starting to play well.

So credit where its due. For all the slating that I've given Pulis, if we carry on as we have been recently, trying to win games rather than avoiding a loss, then I'm a happy fan, and proud of my club once again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 05, 2015, 11:42:29 PM
The arsenal result was huge from being 1 down considering the last 3 years, Its given us confidence and belief to come back into games.

I'm not sure if the Albion pulis relationship will last to long but he's doing a great job to be fair, still can't relate to him as a person at all though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on December 06, 2015, 12:03:49 AM
One day we will play football again the west brom way.just look at Stoke now free to play
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on December 06, 2015, 12:06:50 AM
Quote from: frazzle on December 05, 2015, 10:50:41 PM
I've been anti-Pulis since day one, and relatively vocal on the topic.

I've been frustrated by his approach, his team selections and the negativity.

There have been two consistent arguments that have bugged me:
 - the suggestion that you need to play Pulis style football to stay up
 - the suggestion that if we actually try and play positive football we will go down (usual mowbray arguments...)

...but actually all I've ever wanted is for us to play to win, to be positive and to give it a go.

The last three matches I feel that we have turned a corner. More positivity, more football on the ground, more Sess, Rondon coming on to a game, Evans proving to be the best signing in years, McLean adding a direct attacking approach to his industry, coming back to get a point or a win... but trying to win the game ...we are starting to play well.

So credit where its due. For all the slating that I've given Pulis, if we carry on as we have been recently, trying to win games rather than avoiding a loss, then I'm a happy fan, and proud of my club once again.

The thing is, we often played like that last year (Chelsea, Swansea, West Ham etc) so it's not like we've just started it with Pulis. Equally, we WILL have a terrible 2-0 loss or something coming up with no attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on December 06, 2015, 12:07:46 AM
Stoke have paid money to bring in players who can play that way. Their front 3 today was top class.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on December 06, 2015, 12:26:27 AM
Slowly,slowly, catchy monkey. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CoachRagnar on December 06, 2015, 06:10:18 AM
Tony Pulis:
Brought Stoke up from the Championship
Kept Stoke in the Prem for six years
Kept Palace from the drop
Kept the Albian from the drop
Except for the last couple of years at Stoke, all this was done on a shoestring. Most of his managing has consisted of using a bit of bats wing and eye of newt to brew up a team. Through discipline, hard work, and endless work on team shape he has always punched above his weight as a manager. And, realistically, who do you think is going to come to the Albion to replace him that even comes up to his knees?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 06, 2015, 07:53:33 AM
Quote from: Adder on December 06, 2015, 12:07:46 AM
Stoke have paid money to bring in players who can play that way. Their front 3 today was top class.

Really ?

Arnautovic £2m
Bojan £1.25m
Shaqiiri - £12m

or less than Chester, McManaman and Lambert cost who were on our bench yesterday.

I am pretty sure Pulis would not have bought any of those players to the club.

Yesterday was an improvement in terms of attacking intent 11 shots at goal was one of our higher numbers we have managed this season.




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on December 06, 2015, 08:06:40 AM
Quote from: frazzle on December 05, 2015, 10:50:41 PM
I've been anti-Pulis since day one, and relatively vocal on the topic.

I've been frustrated by his approach, his team selections and the negativity.

There have been two consistent arguments that have bugged me:
 - the suggestion that you need to play Pulis style football to stay up
 - the suggestion that if we actually try and play positive football we will go down (usual mowbray arguments...)

...but actually all I've ever wanted is for us to play to win, to be positive and to give it a go.

The last three matches I feel that we have turned a corner. More positivity, more football on the ground, more Sess, Rondon coming on to a game, Evans proving to be the best signing in years, McLean adding a direct attacking approach to his industry, coming back to get a point or a win... but trying to win the game ...we are starting to play well.

So credit where its due. For all the slating that I've given Pulis, if we carry on as we have been recently, trying to win games rather than avoiding a loss, then I'm a happy fan, and proud of my club once again.

I think it's coming together, there will be ups and downs, but 5 points against Arsenal, Spuds and West Ham is a good return, bring on the pond.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on December 06, 2015, 08:36:34 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 06, 2015, 07:53:33 AM
Really ?

Arnautovic £2m
Bojan £1.25m
Shaqiiri - £12m

or less than Chester, McManaman and Lambert cost who were on our bench yesterday.

I am pretty sure Pulis would not have bought any of those players to the club.

 Excellent work by Stoke's backroom  and the big bloke up front looks just the sort  of player  Pulis would like.

Yesterday was an improvement in terms of attacking intent 11 shots at goal was one of our higher numbers we have managed this season.

Excellent work by Stoke's scouting department and the big bloke upfront looks a typical Pulis type player.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on December 06, 2015, 11:24:29 AM
As previous posts show, i felt Pulis did a good job last season but the start of this season we seemed to be going backwards.

However the last month to six weeks i have changed my opinion, after suffering games against Sunderland and Southampton i did think there had to be more to football than that and Pulis is proving there is.

Whether it was always the plan or whether he has realised he to be more positive, i dont know but whatever it is, its making for much more enjoyable games and getting good results too.

We are never going to be a fancy passing team but that doesnt bother me, all i wanted was positive stuff, i have always said i like Pulis as a bloke and when he was appointed was looking forward to seeing that 100% effort, commitment, discipline, etc and we are seeing that and also some entertainment too, it gives you lots of pride, nobody looks forward to playing us and thats a good feeling.

One thing does annoy me is the media perception of Pulis, as somebody who sees most games i felt i was in a position to comment, but when i hear commentators, pundits, etc talk it annoys me. One of the match reports on the radio on the way home was saying plucky West Brom, battled hard, were ugly, etc and i thought that was lazy, we did all the things you do expect of Pulis teams but also they should give credit when we play good stuff too, if Koeman, Monk or Pardew had played like we have lately, they would be getting a lot more plaudits than the lazy 'typical Pulis team'.

I am happy to say at this moment in time i was wrong at Pulis and long may it continue, more of the same will do nicely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on December 06, 2015, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on December 06, 2015, 11:24:29 AM

One thing does annoy me is the media perception of Pulis, as somebody who sees most games i felt i was in a position to comment, but when i hear commentators, pundits, etc talk it annoys me. One of the match reports on the radio on the way home was saying plucky West Brom, battled hard, were ugly, etc and i thought that was lazy, we did all the things you do expect of Pulis teams but also they should give credit when we play good stuff too, if Koeman, Monk or Pardew had played like we have lately, they would be getting a lot more plaudits than the lazy 'typical Pulis team'.

I am happy to say at this moment in time i was wrong at Pulis and long may it continue, more of the same will do nicely.

Just reading some comments on the match report in the DM, some of the spuds fans were saying we played typical Pulisball, not sure what game they watched. I thought we put some nice stuff together.. Ironic though they scored from the long ball and we scored from a neat move..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on December 06, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
Quote from: Adder on December 06, 2015, 12:07:46 AM
Stoke have paid money to bring in players who can play that way. Their front 3 today was top class.

Just to clarify, Stoke's starting 11 yesterday cost around £28m of which £12m was spent on Shaqiri.

Arnautovic, Bojan and Afellay were purchased for about £3m in total.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on December 06, 2015, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on December 06, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
Just to clarify, Stoke's starting 11 yesterday cost around £28m of which £12m was spent on Shaqiri.

Arnautovic, Bojan and Afellay were purchased for about £3m in total.

DK
fair enough that's obviously good business for sure. I don't know but I assume Bojan and Shaqiri wouldn't have come cheap on the wages front.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on December 06, 2015, 02:00:35 PM
Quote from: Adder on December 06, 2015, 01:19:23 PM
fair enough that's obviously good business for sure. I don't know but I assume Bojan and Shaqiri wouldn't have come cheap on the wages front.

I don't know to be honest mate. I'm sure Shaqiri would be on a big wage, but Bojan's star had faded badly over a number of years, so in comparison to most players of his ability, I'd imagine he wouldn't have been too costly.

Afellay had been beset by injury problems and Arnautovic was seen as a difficult player to handle, so again, they both possibly weren't as costly wage wise as they might have been. We might have to up the ante with their next contracts though.

I'm sure some of your big signings would be on decent money too. So long as you're getting your money's worth it doesn't really matter I suppose.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on December 06, 2015, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on December 06, 2015, 12:03:49 AM
One day we will play football again the west brom way.just look at Stoke now free to play

What's the westbrom way? Since the Atkinson era what has been our style? A couple of years under Mowbray and Di Matteo....other than that struggling to think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 06, 2015, 07:29:48 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on December 06, 2015, 02:00:35 PM
I don't know to be honest mate. I'm sure Shaqiri would be on a big wage, but Bojan's star had faded badly over a number of years, so in comparison to most players of his ability, I'd imagine he wouldn't have been too costly.

Afellay had been beset by injury problems and Arnautovic was seen as a difficult player to handle, so again, they both possibly weren't as costly wage wise as they might have been. We might have to up the ante with their next contracts though.

I'm sure some of your big signings would be on decent money too. So long as you're getting your money's worth it doesn't really matter I suppose.

DK


I'm guessing by the 20 k gate against spuds that most people are choosing and picking there games now although I wouldn't just blame pulis for that at all, many different factors main one being 40 quid for a game of football is just stupid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 06, 2015, 08:21:39 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on December 06, 2015, 07:29:48 PM
I'm guessing by the 20 k gate against spuds that most people are choosing and picking there games now although I wouldn't just blame pulis for that at all, many different factors main one being 40 quid for a game of football is just stupid.

And the Xmas shopping factor will have affected attendances as well
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 06, 2015, 08:22:58 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on December 06, 2015, 07:24:27 PM
What's the westbrom way? Since the Atkinson era what has been our style? A couple of years under Mowbray and Di Matteo....other than that struggling to think.

The Mowbray and Di Matteo years - you mean Championship football?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 06, 2015, 08:26:35 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 06, 2015, 08:21:39 PM
And the Xmas shopping factor will have affected attendances as well

Yes mate I agree, I do think a lot of interest has gone from it personally though or maybe that's just me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on December 06, 2015, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on December 06, 2015, 07:24:27 PM
What's the westbrom way? Since the Atkinson era what has been our style? A couple of years under Mowbray and Di Matteo....other than that struggling to think.

there's no west brom way, not since the 70s, it's a myth that keeps getting brought up when we get a new manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on December 06, 2015, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on December 06, 2015, 09:03:42 PM
there's no west brom way, not since the 70s, it's a myth that keeps getting brought up when we get a new manager

Agree entirely
This 'west brom way' is a myth
I have been a season ticket holder since the mid seventies and Giles ere and Atkinson were fantastic
Since then we had Ardiles and Mowbray who I would say tried to play attacking attractive football but the other 37 years have been 'different'
It's probably fair to say that the s***e years are the 'Albion way' based on the percentages
However I would rather watch what we see over the last 10 years rather than go back to the 1990's thank you
I appreciate that many of you probably never experienced the dross of the mid eighties and nineties but believe me there is no reason to complain about what you watch now
BTW if we ever get to watch a team like Big Rons we are all in for a treat that will live with you forever
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on December 10, 2015, 02:09:23 PM
This is our second best start to a premier league campaign since we were third at the end of November under SC.

I somehow think that we won't go on a similar run of form as we did under Clarke.

Got to give Pulis some credit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on December 10, 2015, 07:09:26 PM
Quote from: Mikkyk on December 10, 2015, 02:09:23 PM
This is our second best start to a premier league campaign since we were third at the end of November under SC.

I somehow think that we won't go on a similar run of form as we did under Clarke.

Got to give Pulis some credit.

And at the end of that November we spiraled out of control until Tony took over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on December 11, 2015, 02:02:46 PM
Quote from: Mikkyk on December 10, 2015, 02:09:23 PM
This is our second best start to a premier league campaign since we were third at the end of November under SC.

I somehow think that we won't go on a similar run of form as we did under Clarke.

Got to give Pulis some credit.

Pulis is a great results manager. If people want to pay to watch free flowing football, they might have to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on December 11, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
Pulis is a consistent grind away manager. We will not do a Leicester but the chances are when Leicester fall they will really fall, whereas under Pulis we will just keep plodding on. It's not particularly exciting but it is solid and dependable. The hare and the tortoise. I'd bet good money that in five years time we are in a far better position than Leicester are.

Whether that is enough for people or what people want is open to question.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on December 11, 2015, 05:49:27 PM
Quote from: Atomic on December 11, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
Pulis is a consistent grind away manager. We will not do a Leicester but the chances are when Leicester fall they will really fall, whereas under Pulis we will just keep plodding on. It's not particularly exciting but it is solid and dependable. The hare and the tortoise. I'd bet good money that in five years time we are in a far better position than Leicester are.

Whether that is enough for people or what people want is open to question.
What would be considered a far better position? For example if Leicester were to win a cup and play european football (Champs or Europa) and are in the championship, but we are still stuck 12th-17th in the prem, whilst we would still be in prem, they will have had european football and won a cup, Which would you rather have? (Not having a dig at you just wondering)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on December 11, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: Shanewba90 on December 11, 2015, 05:49:27 PM
What would be considered a far better position? For example if Leicester were to win a cup and play european football (Champs or Europa) and are in the championship, but we are still stuck 12th-17th in the prem, whilst we would still be in prem, they will have had european football and won a cup, Which would you rather have? (Not having a dig at you just wondering)

 Depends on the high and low Wigan won their first major trophy but also got relegated and carried on downhill , wonder if they would swap our position for that cup win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 11, 2015, 06:10:27 PM
I'd go for a cup or watching Albion in Europe, only live once don't you and I'd still feel exactly the same about us premiership or league 2.

I realise I am a minority though. I also think it's a pointless argument the players are not at that level neither is TP tactics, that's not to say we are not a very capable team at the moment who could beat anyone in the league on our day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 11, 2015, 08:12:23 PM
Quote from: KYA on December 11, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
Depends on the high and low Wigan won their first major trophy but also got relegated and carried on downhill , wonder if they would swap our position for that cup win.

I would if I was a Wigan supporter. Who wants to watch League 1 garbage?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on December 11, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on December 11, 2015, 06:10:27 PM
I'd go for a cup or watching Albion in Europe, only live once don't you and I'd still feel exactly the same about us premiership or league 2.

I realise I am a minority though. I also think it's a pointless argument the players are not at that level neither is TP tactics, that's not to say we are not a very capable team at the moment who could beat anyone in the league on our day.
Im the same, FA Cup and/or european football I'd love to see in my lifetime. We aint no big team so for us to experience that, chances are we would get relegated the season after
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 12, 2015, 10:37:14 AM
The last few games even with what I hae percieved of negative line ups we have begun creating chances and have offered an attacking threat. If Pulis continues turning this corner and we have a go at people at home with a good attacking tempo then I will warm to it.

Still think our squad still needs over turning. Once gmac is done what's out legacy? Morrison and brunt have been great servants but also won't last forever. And before he addresses that we have plenty of players of the peripheries that need moving on ad replacing with players he will utilise.

Heart says Pulis anti football and we need rid. However the end can see that he is evolving our squad and stabilising our position gradually. If he gets some more faces he wants in so we don't see centre backs playing full back etc the football may continue to improve who knows.

Personall I have quite enjoyed the last 3 games. It's taken a while but I can almost see the pieces of the jigsaw fitting together
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on December 12, 2015, 09:37:24 PM
Listen pure football or no pure football I would still rather pay my money to watch class like Aguero , Sanchez , and others from opposing teams down our place than some garbage from the championship or worse . Pulis still has a massive challenge on his hands here .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 12, 2015, 10:33:13 PM
Quote from: Mo on December 12, 2015, 09:37:24 PM
Listen pure football or no pure football I would still rather pay my money to watch class like Aguero , Sanchez , and others from opposing teams down our place than some garbage from the championship or worse . Pulis still has a massive challenge on his hands here .

Yes, the task remains a massive won especially with Watford and now Bournemouth doing so well.  Norwich may well stay up as well.

Three long-established PL clubs could well go down this season.  Villa look doomed, and it looks like Sunderland and Newcastle have started to fight.  We have to keep picking up points as we have been doing or we could easily get sucked in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 13, 2015, 02:01:36 PM
So the ultimate question, if it guaranteed them dropping would we take our own relegation?
This year I'd say yes
Hate them with a passion, and the prem is now boring, a bit like Disneyland if you keep going it gets boring and you actually miss Alton towers.

And we could take 51 coaches away
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 13, 2015, 02:07:10 PM
Not interested in any of the players like Aguero, Sanchez or whoever unless they are wearing an Albion shirt.

If we drop then i'll still be there watching the starts of Accrington, Burton whoever.

Pulis ( the name in the topic subject  ;) ) still has his detractors on here but I think he deserves a chance to be here longer, not perfect by any means and the football at times is dross (expecting a bit of it today) but we have played some good stuff under him as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 13, 2015, 02:25:59 PM
As I've said before theres things I don't like about Pulis but I feel that given the mess the club had got into over 3 seasons he (or anybody else ) needs a least 18 months to be judged.
I believe he over achieved last year given the state we were in by finishing 13th , that plus the slow start we had this season (few awful to watch games ) had even myself wondering If that was going to be our limit and future.
I have to say the last two months things have picked up , even when defeated we have played some decent football , i like the use of quick , wide players and speedy breaks.
He will never convince me in the transfer market (before us too) , but i to me he's not the dinosaur many think he is and i slightly include myself in that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: matt_home1 on December 13, 2015, 02:28:41 PM
I think Pulis is good at organising and defensive play, but not quite got the skills in attacking play, its no coincidence that as soon as his attacking coach comes to the club, we start to perform further up the field of play. for this you have to say well done Pulis for not being hard headed and realising he needs help in that part of the game play
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 13, 2015, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on December 12, 2015, 10:37:14 AM
The last few games even with what I hae percieved of negative line ups we have begun creating chances and have offered an attacking threat. If Pulis continues turning this corner and we have a go at people at home with a good attacking tempo then I will warm to it.

Still think our squad still needs over turning. Once gmac is done what's out legacy? Morrison and brunt have been great servants but also won't last forever. And before he addresses that we have plenty of players of the peripheries that need moving on ad replacing with players he will utilise.

Heart says Pulis anti football and we need rid. However the end can see that he is evolving our squad and stabilising our position gradually. If he gets some more faces he wants in so we don't see centre backs playing full back etc the football may continue to improve who knows.

Personall I have quite enjoyed the last 3 games. It's taken a while but I can almost see the pieces of the jigsaw fitting together

I think that's fair. I've been firmly in the antiPulis camp and have therefore been criticised for wanting us to play like Barcelona when all I actually want is for the team to be positive and try and win games. The last few matches have been a lot better in this regard and therefore, at the moment I'm happy enough. Ok so its not free-flowing but at least we are showing a bit of edge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 13, 2015, 03:24:21 PM
Pragmatism is not a crime especially for a club like ours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on December 13, 2015, 06:07:59 PM
20 points now.

20 points at christmas was the target wasn't it ?

Unbeaten in last 4. He deserves credit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 13, 2015, 06:11:18 PM
Although not nice to see us go behind, Pulis seems to have got that bit in the players where they now have the fight to get back into games. He deserves a lot of credit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 13, 2015, 06:15:07 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on December 13, 2015, 06:07:59 PM
20 points now.

20 points at christmas was the target wasn't it ?

Unbeaten in last 4. He deserves credit.
Yes he does , getting better now.
Sometimes like today it will be break away football and others we will go for the throat.
Certainly the players know they have to hit high standards to get into and stay in the side now....look at the improvement in Sess for example.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 13, 2015, 06:17:55 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on December 13, 2015, 06:07:59 PM
20 points now.

20 points at christmas was the target wasn't it ?

Unbeaten in last 4. He deserves credit.
Of course he deserves bloody credit. No-one, Mourinho, Klipperty Klopp, LVG, Sir Alex, Pep.........No-one could better his results with this group of players. We are so bloody lucky to have him. God help the lame duck who has to follow him, it will be worse than following Fergie. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 13, 2015, 06:22:28 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 13, 2015, 06:11:18 PM
Although not nice to see us go behind, Pulis seems to have got that bit in the players where they now have the fight to get back into games. He deserves a lot of credit.
surely its only a matter of time before we score first
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on December 13, 2015, 06:43:03 PM
i love him, he has made us such a hard team to beat, finally a Albion team I can be proud of again
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on December 13, 2015, 06:57:44 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on December 13, 2015, 06:17:55 PM
Of course he deserves bloody credit. No-one, Mourinho, Klipperty Klopp, LVG, Sir Alex, Pep.........No-one could better his results with this group of players. We are so bloody lucky to have him. God help the lame duck who has to follow him, it will be worse than following Fergie.

Well said sir, we will only get better and we of course will have a few ups and downs as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: boing_boing68 on December 13, 2015, 06:43:03 PM
i love him, he has made us such a hard team to beat, finally a Albion team I can be proud of again

Absolutely, top manager for us, this is the season we would have gone down with the promoted clubs doing so well, fortunately, we have TP, we will be fine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 13, 2015, 07:24:06 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 07:19:24 PM
Absolutely, top manager for us, this is the season we would have gone down with the promoted clubs doing so well, fortunately, we have TP, we will be fine.

Although we are only 6 points off the drop zone.  Next 3 games crucial to widen the gap.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 13, 2015, 07:25:49 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 13, 2015, 07:24:06 PM
Although we are only 6 points off the drop zone.  Next 3 games crucial to widen the gap.

In no danger of relegation whatsoever. Leicester City  we're coming for you!! Boing Boing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 07:49:27 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 13, 2015, 07:24:06 PM
Although we are only 6 points off the drop zone.  Next 3 games crucial to widen the gap.

Only six points off a European spot as well. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 13, 2015, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on December 13, 2015, 06:17:55 PM
Of course he deserves bloody credit. No-one, Mourinho, Klipperty Klopp, LVG, Sir Alex, Pep.........No-one could better his results with this group of players. We are so bloody lucky to have him. God help the lame duck who has to follow him, it will be worse than following Fergie.

I think you are over stating the case the results across the season are about par there is no way this Group of players is over achieving, we have had good results under other coaches. I agree the transition to the next coach might be painful because he and his mates are pretty much entrenched at the club and there will be a major dislocation when he goes although I doubt whether it will be quite as traumatic as Fergie leaving United.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 13, 2015, 07:53:33 PM
Quote from: Standaman on December 13, 2015, 07:51:15 PM
I think you are over stating the case the results across the season are about par there is no way this Group of players is over achieving, we have had good results under other coaches. I agree the transition to the next coach might be painful because he and his mates are pretty much entrenched at the club and there will be a major dislocation when he goes although I doubt whether it will be quite as traumatic as Fergie leaving United.

I suspect you're more entrenched in your dislike of the Pulis regime than Pulis is at the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
Quote from: Standaman on December 13, 2015, 07:51:15 PM
I think you are over stating the case the results across the season are about par there is no way this Group of players is over achieving, we have had good results under other coaches. I agree the transition to the next coach might be painful because he and his mates are pretty much entrenched at the club and there will be a major dislocation when he goes although I doubt whether it will be quite as traumatic as Fergie leaving United.

But we haven't, this group of players are achieving more than we have enjoyed since the Hodgson days with different players.

The Tony Pulis doom mongers have virtually disappeared, and so they should and hang their heads in shame for some of the vile posts they spewed.

About time we had a new survey by the way!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 13, 2015, 08:00:58 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
But we haven't, this group of players are achieving more than we have enjoyed since the Hodgson days with different players.

The Tony Pulis doom mongers have virtually disappeared, and so they should and hang their heads in shame for some of the vile posts they spewed.

About time we had a new survey by the way!

Raise the question in a new topic heading.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on December 13, 2015, 08:12:30 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
But we haven't, this group of players are achieving more than we have enjoyed since the Hodgson days with different players.

The Tony Pulis doom mongers have virtually disappeared, and so they should and hang their heads in shame for some of the vile posts they spewed.

About time we had a new survey by the way!

they must be hurting
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on December 13, 2015, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on December 13, 2015, 08:00:58 PM
Raise the question in a new topic heading.

Or ask a mod very nicely  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 08:24:29 PM
Quote from: MarkW on December 13, 2015, 08:19:03 PM
Or ask a mod very nicely  :)

I'm asking very nicely! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 13, 2015, 08:26:02 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
But we haven't, this group of players are achieving more than we have enjoyed since the Hodgson days with different players.

The Tony Pulis doom mongers have virtually disappeared, and so they should and hang their heads in shame for some of the vile posts they spewed.

About time we had a new survey by the way!

Honestly, this is pathetic. Is it not ok to have a different view from you? What is the point in that comment. A bit triumphant aren't you.

I've been consistent in my views, and I've given him credit too.

Would love to see what you were posting when he managed Stoke - I guess you couldn't have been critical of him then.

The most important thing is the club. Some nobody from a forum telling other fans to hang their heads in shame is irrelevant.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: frazzle on December 13, 2015, 08:26:02 PM
Honestly, this is pathetic. Is it not ok to have a different view from you? What is the point in that comment. A bit triumphant aren't you.

I've been consistent in my views, and I've given him credit too.

Would love to see what you were posting when he managed Stoke - I guess you couldn't have been critical of him then.

The most important thing is the club. Some nobody from a forum telling other fans to hang their heads in shame is irrelevant.

What like this one of yours from the 3rd of October.

Absolutely apalling again. Just hate seeing us play like this.

Looks like the tide might be turning and those who hoped we would see his Palace style are actually now realising that we are worse than Stoke.

He is killing the confidence of our players, our youngsters dont get a look in, he has alienated talent and in my opinion he can naughty word right off as far as im concerned.

Angry and utterly sick of it. The worst thing is I knew it was coming.

naughty word off Pulis.

Expect a bit more humble pie yet, tastes good don't it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on December 13, 2015, 08:35:22 PM
No Albion fan could have asked for much more in the last tricky four matches - we should have won today and beat Spurs.

If you add in the fact that no way did we deserve to lose to the current darlings that are Leicester and you can see that we should fear no team in this League.

However, I have a funny feeling, Albion being Albion, that the Bournemouth fixture could turn out tougher than all the above for us !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 13, 2015, 08:37:04 PM
As someone observed my dislike of Pulis's football is deeply entrenched but I have never ever said that his sides were incapable of grinding out results which is what we have done over the last few weeks.

The quality in this squad is comparable to anything his predecessors were working with and he certainly enjoys more control over recruitment and coaching appointments which is what I was referring to when I said he was entrenched. I would also point out that Clarke sustained this sort of performance across a whole season. I am therefore entitled not to be in total awe of Pulis.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 08:40:23 PM
Quote from: Standaman on December 13, 2015, 08:37:04 PM
As someone observed my dislike of Pulis's football is deeply entrenched but I have never ever said that his sides were incapable of grinding out results which is what we have done over the last few weeks.

The quality in this squad is comparable to anything his predecessors were working with and he certainly enjoys more control over recruitment and coaching appointments which is what I was referring to when I said he was entrenched. I would also point out that Clarke sustained this sort of performance across a whole season. I am therefore entitled not to be in total awe of Pulis.

No he didn't, the season before he was sacked he inherited an England managers coaching and results were going south before the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 13, 2015, 08:43:35 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 08:31:03 PM
What like this one of yours from the 3rd of October.

Absolutely apalling again. Just hate seeing us play like this.

Looks like the tide might be turning and those who hoped we would see his Palace style are actually now realising that we are worse than Stoke.

He is killing the confidence of our players, our youngsters dont get a look in, he has alienated talent and in my opinion he can naughty word right off as far as im concerned.

Angry and utterly sick of it. The worst thing is I knew it was coming.

naughty word off Pulis.

Expect a bit more humble pie yet, tastes good don't it!

Did you seriously search my posts - crikey!  :o

As I said, I have been critical but given him praise when I felt it is due. I think most would agree that since that post performances have improved, we have shown greater attacking intent and the results have turned as a result.

I think you have strengthened my point rather than weakened it. Oh and since we are about dragging old quotes out I've noted below my post from this morning. Now, I'm off to search your posts ... or maybe I've got better things to do...

"I think that's fair. I've been firmly in the antiPulis camp and have therefore been criticised for wanting us to play like Barcelona when all I actually want is for the team to be positive and try and win games. The last few matches have been a lot better in this regard and therefore, at the moment I'm happy enough. Ok so its not free-flowing but at least we are showing a bit of edge."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 13, 2015, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 08:40:23 PM
No he didn't, the season before he was sacked he inherited an England managers coaching and results were going south before the end of the season.

Agreed.  We were good until the end of December that year. I think we were 3rd when we lost at Old Trafford between Xmas and New Year and then only won another 3 or games by the following September when Clarke was sacked
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: frazzle on December 13, 2015, 08:43:35 PM
Did you seriously search my posts - crikey!  :o

As I said, I have been critical but given him praise when I felt it is due. I think most would agree that since that post performances have improved, we have shown greater attacking intent and the results have turned as a result.

I think you have strengthened my point rather than weakened it. Oh and since we are about dragging old quotes out I've noted below my post from this morning. Now, I'm off to search your posts ... or maybe I've got better things to do...

"I think that's fair. I've been firmly in the antiPulis camp and have therefore been criticised for wanting us to play like Barcelona when all I actually want is for the team to be positive and try and win games. The last few matches have been a lot better in this regard and therefore, at the moment I'm happy enough. Ok so its not free-flowing but at least we are showing a bit of edge."

I'm not particularly having a poke at you, just the over the top comments that have littered this thread for months, after saving us last season, NO supporter should have been anti Pulis until he had had 12 months to sort out the mess he inherited, most reasonable fans saw that, a vocal minority didn't.

I'll let others judge the fairness of my posts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 13, 2015, 09:11:51 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 08:55:34 PM
I'm not particularly having a poke at you, just the over the top comments that have littered this thread for months, after saving us last season, NO supporter should have been anti Pulis until he had had 12 months to sort out the mess he inherited, most reasonable fans saw that, a vocal minority didn't.

I'll let others judge the fairness of my posts.

Pulls is a marmite manager. We knew his style when he joined and many didn't want to see that at our club. I'm one of them. Maybe you loved his style at Stoke, I'm certainly not going to go through your posts to find out.

The only managers I recall having an issue when they were appointed are Pulis, Irvine and Gould - I was pretty open minded about every other manager that we have had.

For that reason I have been anti-Pulis. A big chunk of the performances under him have lived up to his reputation, but what narked me most was that in a number of games he simply didn't set his team out to aim any higher than avoiding defeat.

I feel that in the last 4 or so games this has changed a bit, its less hoofball and more through midfield. Its still fairly ugly but at least we are trying to get more out of a game than a clean sheet.

I don't think this means I need to tuck in to the humble pie. I'm sticking to my view that I want our club to be a team who tries to win matches. Doesn't mean that we have to play like Barcelona, doesn't mean we have to play like Stoke either. Playing Pulis football isn't the only way to get points.

As I said this morning, I'm happy enough at the moment, and certainly happier than a month or two ago, but drab performances that get us Premier safety are all very well but not enough to have me driving 300 miles each way to the ground.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on December 13, 2015, 10:21:39 PM
I still hate this type of football and won't change my views like the majority of you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on December 13, 2015, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 08:24:29 PM
I'm asking very nicely! ;D

Well since you asked so nicely...votes have been reset to 0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on December 13, 2015, 10:25:30 PM
Oh and this poll will only show how fickle the modern football fan is,to my knowledge its the 3rd one now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 13, 2015, 11:28:44 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
But we haven't, this group of players are achieving more than we have enjoyed since the Hodgson days with different players.

The Tony Pulis doom mongers have virtually disappeared, and so they should and hang their heads in shame for some of the vile posts they spewed.

About time we had a new survey by the way!
don't talk saft, hes getting results and fair play but the footys shyte.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 13, 2015, 11:32:11 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on December 13, 2015, 11:28:44 PM
don't talk saft, hes getting results and fair play but the footys shyte.

Agreed and I think that was the only gripe anti Pulis's had. No Albion fan is going to annoyed that we got a point away or a win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on December 13, 2015, 11:36:10 PM
Bin dippers love pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 11:36:32 PM
I see Mowbray threw away another game today with comedy defending, bet the football purists enjoyed the game though! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 13, 2015, 11:45:46 PM
the footys shyte ?

Really, we've been playing some decent stuff lately, cracking move for the goal against Spurs but I guess some must have missed that one. Yeah some of it can be dross at times but seems to be moving upwards.

6 points from the last four games all against clubs doing oka and games realistically we expected nowt from, two of who are in the European places and its still not good enough for some.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 13, 2015, 11:46:53 PM
He's doing a very good job, can't complain at the moment. The important thing to remember is that we will have bad days in this league but they will be followed with good days as Pulis is a pretty consistent manager who knows how to keep a team's points total ticking along. My one gripe is that Lambert should be given more of a chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 14, 2015, 06:09:05 AM
Big chunk of 606 last night dedicated to whether Albion fans are ok watching this type of football. Unfortunately we are known for it now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2015, 07:12:27 AM
As someone qouted above, Coventry threw away a lead over the weekend due to comical defending, but hey 'they played good football.'

Give me TP anyday, the guy is working wonders with a team that has no recognised full backs, and no recognised 'out and out' wingers (McLean excluded).

He has one striker to choose from of any real quality, and hes still got us chilling in mid table, taking points against the so called big boys.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 14, 2015, 07:41:17 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on December 14, 2015, 07:12:27 AM
As someone qouted above, Coventry threw away a lead over the weekend due to comical defending, but hey 'they played good football.'

Give me TP anyday, the guy is working wonders with a team that has no recognised full backs, and no recognised 'out and out' wingers (McLean excluded).

He has one striker to choose from of any real quality, and hes still got us chilling in mid table, taking points against the so called big boys.


Give me TP as well, but the lack of recognised full backs and the shortage of wingers are both things that he could have addressed and chose not to.  Not a case of "working wonders" in that respect, but on the other hand if you look at our defensive record the lack of recognised full backs hasn't been a negative (except in style) because he has turned Dawson and Brunt into very competent full backs at this level - no mean feat.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 14, 2015, 07:43:11 AM
Quote from: frazzle on December 14, 2015, 06:09:05 AM
Big chunk of 606 last night dedicated to whether Albion fans are ok watching this type of football. Unfortunately we are known for it now.
Laughable , theres very little difference between now and how Roy and then Steve Clarke set out their sides especially away from home
This side isn't like the limited Stoke side that used to easily roll us over and physically batter us or the Palace side built on giant defenders and 3 quick attackers.I really think some of our lot need to open their eyes a bit and give the bloke a fair chance rather than go on past meetings and myths.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 14, 2015, 08:07:27 AM
Quote from: Dexy on December 14, 2015, 07:43:11 AM
Laughable , theres very little difference between now and how Roy and then Steve Clarke set out their sides especially away from home
This side isn't like the limited Stoke side that used to easily roll us over and physically batter us or the Palace side built on giant defenders and 3 quick attackers.I really think some of our lot need to open their eyes a bit and give the bloke a fair chance rather than go on past meetings and myths.

What Pulis has done in the past is of no interest to me whatsoever.

My eyes are wide open, and in my opinion he is far to negative, especially at home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 14, 2015, 08:22:38 AM
Quote from: Dexy on December 14, 2015, 07:43:11 AM
Laughable , theres very little difference between now and how Roy and then Steve Clarke set out their sides especially away from home
This side isn't like the limited Stoke side that used to easily roll us over and physically batter us or the Palace side built on giant defenders and 3 quick attackers.I really think some of our lot need to open their eyes a bit and give the bloke a fair chance rather than go on past meetings and myths.

Fully agree with you there..... and there was a difference in our performance yesterday to the pathetic display we put up at Crystal Place. TP is having a go at the big boys and we are getting results - 5 points out of 9 over the last 3 games, and it would have been 7 but for a deflection. I for one am pretty pleased at the moment. Lets see who TP brings in over January - only then and beyond can he be truly judged.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 14, 2015, 08:40:53 AM
Quote from: Aztech on December 14, 2015, 08:07:27 AM
What Pulis has done in the past is of no interest to me whatsoever.

My eyes are wide open, and in my opinion he is far to negative, especially at home.
  I'd agree some of home games have been negative especially when trying to get us away from trouble last season (and you can understand why ) but this season games against Everton , Chelsea , Leicester , Spurs ,Arsenal....well none of those were negative although i don't like losing or conceding 3 as we did in few of those games.
Imo we are starting to get a bit of attacking menace about us at home now , width we haven't had for years too. I believe it goes to show if you try to build something in football it doesn't happen in a matter of weeks .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 14, 2015, 09:02:06 AM
I have changed my vote.
Simply because it looks like he is now adding a bit of attacking to his game plans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 14, 2015, 09:07:31 AM
Quote from: Dexy on December 14, 2015, 07:43:11 AM
Laughable , theres very little difference between now and how Roy and then Steve Clarke set out their sides especially away from home
This side isn't like the limited Stoke side that used to easily roll us over and physically batter us or the Palace side built on giant defenders and 3 quick attackers.I really think some of our lot need to open their eyes a bit and give the bloke a fair chance rather than go on past meetings and myths.

The main difference being we had more quality in the final third back then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 14, 2015, 09:11:24 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 14, 2015, 07:41:17 AM

Give me TP as well, but the lack of recognised full backs and the shortage of wingers are both things that he could have addressed and chose not to.  Not a case of "working wonders" in that respect, but on the other hand if you look at our defensive record the lack of recognised full backs hasn't been a negative (except in style) because he has turned Dawson and Brunt into very competent full backs at this level - no mean feat.

Bringing in one or two recognised full backs would really help transform our play IMO. The main reason why we play workhorses like Gardner and McLean is to cover our weaknesses at full back. Brunt has been caught out for a few of the goals conceded recently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 14, 2015, 09:15:02 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on December 14, 2015, 09:11:24 AM
Bringing in one or two recognised full backs would really help transform our play IMO. The main reason why we play workhorses like Gardner and McLean is to cover our weaknesses at full back. Brunt has been caught out for a few of the goals conceded recently.

But he gives more assists than any other Premier League full back, all about balance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2015, 09:19:41 AM
Quote from: Aztech on December 14, 2015, 08:07:27 AM
What Pulis has done in the past is of no interest to me whatsoever.

My eyes are wide open, and in my opinion he is far to negative, especially at home.

Funny you say negative, as we have had our 2nd best start to a premier league season under him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2015, 09:24:07 AM
I wish we were more negative at home, some of those 2-3's might have been 1-0 wins.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brummyroader on December 14, 2015, 09:27:13 AM
I'm firmly pro TP but my big gripe is the Chester & McManaman transfers, near on £13m pretty much wasted. He can't afford to do that going forward otherwise JP will not give any decent money to spend and who would really blame him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 14, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on December 14, 2015, 09:19:41 AM
Funny you say negative, as we have had our 2nd best start to a premier league season under him.

My issue is our style of play, i'm not talking about points won.

I would rather see a team who play football from the back, and keep possession of the football.

We have a team who are more intent in hitting a long ball at every opportunity, to a lone striker with little support.

Sure we are capable of winning games with 25% possession, however in my opinion it is not entertaining.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 14, 2015, 09:54:57 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 13, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
The Tony Pulis doom mongers have virtually disappeared, and so they should and hang their heads in shame for some of the vile posts they spewed.
I see that some of the townsfolk are out with their torches and pitchforks, seeking out the evil heretics. If getting points by the way we play, particularly in away games, excites you then fair enough, but you should equally be willing to accept that there are people that believe that the same can be achieved with other approaches, as Leicester are proving.

It's also interesting that people are poking fun at Coventry's result. Have those people actually seen the highlights of that game? If so, you'd be aware that Coventry were robbed blind and that Sheff Utd scored with their first shot on target.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 14, 2015, 09:55:52 AM
Quote from: brummyroader on December 14, 2015, 09:27:13 AM
I'm firmly pro TP but my big gripe is the Chester & McManaman transfers, near on £13m pretty much wasted. He can't afford to do that going forward otherwise JP will not give any decent money to spend and who would really blame him.

Like everyone else, I have not been impressed with Chester, but McManaman is different - the few occasions I have seen him play I thought he has looked good tbh - runs at defenders and genuinely scares them. So why are we not playing him? Does anyone actually know?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 14, 2015, 10:14:28 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on December 14, 2015, 09:54:57 AM
I see that some of the townsfolk are out with their torches and pitchforks, seeking out the evil heretics. If getting points by the way we play, particularly in away games, excites you then fair enough, but you should equally be willing to accept that there are people that believe that the same can be achieved with other approaches, as Leicester are proving.

It's also interesting that people are poking fun at Coventry's result. Have those people actually seen the highlights of that game? If so, you'd be aware that Coventry were robbed blind and that Sheff Utd scored with their first shot on target.
If you are being fair there was just as many townsfolk out everyday on here early season and will be again the moment we have a bad result which every team does over a season , the biggest thing for me (and im in the middle as i was with Irvine) was the nailing of Pulis before we had even got to November. Lets not forget the mess he was left with and anybody needed more than a few months to even start building something here.
You mention Leicester yet there was a stat a while back they have less possesion than us , we aren't many miles from them in terms of style it's just they have better wide players and players that finish their chances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 14, 2015, 10:22:15 AM
Quote from: Aztech on December 14, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
My issue is our style of play, i'm not talking about points won.

I would rather see a team who play football from the back, and keep possession of the football.

We have a team who are more intent in hitting a long ball at every opportunity, to a lone striker with little support.

Sure we are capable of winning games with 25% possession, however in my opinion it is not entertaining.
Don't like to see Olsson winding up for the hoof but it's not all long ball , there's been a good balance and some nice passing (Spurs goal for example) of late mostly prompted by Fletcher , McClean and Sess. I'd still like to see less long ball but certain games like at Anfield if we go forward too much we would get easily picked off most of the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on December 14, 2015, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on December 14, 2015, 09:54:57 AM
I see that some of the townsfolk are out with their torches and pitchforks, seeking out the evil heretics. If getting points by the way we play, particularly in away games, excites you then fair enough, but you should equally be willing to accept that there are people that believe that the same can be achieved with other approaches, as Leicester are proving.


There's little difference in the approach to games.

Possession: West Brom - 41.9% Leicester - 44.2%
Pass Success: West Brom - 71.9% Leicester - 71.2%

Long Balls: West Brom - 73 Leictester - 71
Crosses: West Brom - 20 Leicester - 21
Short Passes: West Brom - 260 Leicester - 271

The main difference is Leicester winning the ball back much better. They make a lot more tackles and interceptions which helps to spring their counter attacks.

http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/5826/Stages/12496/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2015-2016
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 14, 2015, 11:25:26 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on December 14, 2015, 09:54:57 AM
I see that some of the townsfolk are out with their torches and pitchforks, seeking out the evil heretics. If getting points by the way we play, particularly in away games, excites you then fair enough, but you should equally be willing to accept that there are people that believe that the same can be achieved with other approaches, as Leicester are proving.

It's also interesting that people are poking fun at Coventry's result. Have those people actually seen the highlights of that game? If so, you'd be aware that Coventry were robbed blind and that Sheff Utd scored with their first shot on target.

I watched the game, the similarities with West Brom under Mowbray were so similar.

People are entitled to different opinions, but TP deserves more respect than some of the F O posts that littered the comments until recently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jharman292 on December 14, 2015, 11:37:25 AM
I have heavily criticised Pulis for the way we have performed at this times this season, however i must admit to feeling a little better after the last few weeks. There does seem to be a better balance to the side and as a result, i do feel more confident going into games that we can scores goal and win a football match.

He also deserves credit for installing belief in the side that we can come from behind and get points, something that in recent seasons has just not been the case. I am not singing from the treetops but there are signs there that he is slowly improving the balance of the side.

My problem with Pulis remains that i wish he would approach certain games different, for example, next weekend against Bournemouth we should be looking to start on the front foot and win the game. Could Macca not come in for Gardner? I understand Gardner has played reasonably well since coming in and Bournemouth have picked up some good results but i still feel there are certain gamers that he could show more intent. Time will tell if he decides to do so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 14, 2015, 12:12:30 PM
I'm feeling positive after a few doubts crept in a few weeks ago. We're looking more like Roy's Albion every week. Solid and with a counter attacking/ set-piece threat. We do need at least two or three players with the pace to break quicker (Centre Mid and at least one winger)..........with this we'll be a dangerous side. That's my two bob...........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 14, 2015, 01:13:03 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on December 14, 2015, 09:55:52 AM
Like everyone else, I have not been impressed with Chester, but McManaman is different - the few occasions I have seen him play I thought he has looked good tbh - runs at defenders and genuinely scares them. So why are we not playing him? Does anyone actually know?

Probably because he can't or won't spend most of the game covering his full back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 14, 2015, 01:29:42 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on December 14, 2015, 01:13:03 PM
Probably because he can't or won't spend most of the game covering his full back.
Sess and McClean get forward plenty don't they ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on December 14, 2015, 01:50:21 PM
I wanted to vote but the alternatives given are not relevant to how I wanted to vote.
I attend regularly but am neither a fan or foe of Pulis.
I like the games in which we push on and try to win the game (Spuds) but get frustrated when we play against the likes of Man u and throw points away.
Pulis says he wants time to build the team and so long as he keeps us in this league who are we to deny him that opportunity?
The green shoots are there!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2015, 04:09:13 PM
is he really as good as some posters make out, reality is he's got 3 more points than Irvine got after 16 matches, now way am I defending Irvine who shouldn't have got the job but is an extra 3 pts that much better considering he's spent £37m.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2015, 04:18:07 PM
I think the point is we are more organised and heading more in the right direction than we were under the previous head coach. This squad is still a long way off and still needs improving which will take time, its not a quick fix.

Maybe only 3 points better off but under the last bloke did you have any faith we would come from behind to get a reult as we have done in the last four unbeaten games ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 14, 2015, 04:21:49 PM
Quote from: Dexy on December 14, 2015, 01:29:42 PM
Sess and McClean get forward plenty don't they ?

They do indeed but McLean effectively plays both LM and as a second LB as he has so much energy. I'm really surprised that Sess has made his way back into the side. Offensively or Defensively him and Mcmanaman offer pretty much the same as each other.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 14, 2015, 04:24:45 PM
This was around the time we struggled under Irvine with our usual winter slump. We've not suffered it yet, hopefully we can come out of December with a good amount of points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2015, 04:27:46 PM
I can see us having a poor run again at some stage where the knives will be out but through a season we'll win a few, draw a few and lose a few on the bounce. Not getting over excited at the current run and won't get over anxious at a poor run, its a tough league but at least we have someone in charge who has experience of it.

No doubt at some stage the time will come when a parting of the ways is best for all concerned but we're a long long way from that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 14, 2015, 04:34:20 PM
My vote has not changed, but more people have come to my way of thinking. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2015, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2015, 04:18:07 PM
I think the point is we are more organised and heading more in the right direction than we were under the previous head coach. This squad is still a long way off and still needs improving which will take time, its not a quick fix.

Maybe only 3 points better off but under the last bloke did you have any faith we would come from behind to get a reult as we have done in the last four unbeaten games ?
more organised definitely, cant comment on heading in the right direction due to not being able to predict the future but I hope so. the squad needed just as much improvement under Irvine than it does now under pulis. I hated the appointment of Irvine but I don't see the huge improvements both in points or style for £37m .
whilst its great we've fought back in those 4 games its just as concerning that we keep going behind in matches .my biggest worry with pulis is what sort of team will he leave when he's gone, we have a lot of players now who probably have 1 or max 2 yrs left at this level, imo brunt, morrison, olsson, mcauley, fletcher, add these to the dead wood or players pulis wont pick for one reason or another and that's one big overhaul .apart from evans are you pleased with the transfer dealing under pulis because he spends a lot on players that get little game time, I don't envy the bloke who inherits whats left when he goes.
I respect others views on pulis but he's just not for me, I am attending this weekend for the 1st time this season the only time ive stayed away since 1972.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2015, 05:03:08 PM
His transfer dealings are not much different to those of many other managers, Fletcher, Evans, Rondon all improved the side for me. He has given Brunt a bit more of a new life.

You cannot overhaul a squad in one or two windows when no-one is interested in those you are trying to get out the club, we cannot spend money we don't have and as we are very close to our budget ceiling its a case of ship out before we get new in and as I said if no-one is interested in those you want to move on you have a stalemate situation until you can find a buyer or contracts end.

Have a look around at clubs who had massive overhauls during the Summer and see where they are now, one is bottom of the table sinking without trace, put there by a bloke many wanted here instead of Pulis and full of foreign signings who have no clue about this league when Pulis was criticised for concentrating on Premier League based players.

If you cannot see an improvement then thats fine, me i'm much happier than I was twelve months ago and have no fear we will go down this year at all unlike last year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2015, 05:17:26 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2015, 05:03:08 PM
His transfer dealings are not much different to those of many other managers, Fletcher, Evans, Rondon all improved the side for me. He has given Brunt a bit more of a new life.

You cannot overhaul a squad in one or two windows when no-one is interested in those you are trying to get out the club, we cannot spend money we don't have and as we are very close to our budget ceiling its a case of ship out before we get new in and as I said if no-one is interested in those you want to move on you have a stalemate situation until you can find a buyer or contracts end.

Have a look around at clubs who had massive overhauls during the Summer and see where they are now, one is bottom of the table sinking without trace, put there by a bloke many wanted here instead of Pulis and full of foreign signings who have no clue about this league when Pulis was criticised for concentrating on Premier League based players.

If you cannot see an improvement then thats fine, me i'm much happier than I was twelve months ago and have no fear we will go down this year at all unlike last year.
rondon and evans I agree have improved but I don't rate fletcher at all. like you say we cannot spend money we don't have but he has spent a lot of it on players like mac and chester for around £13m and we never see them, was the £3m spent on lambert good business.
if we can get back to back victories then yes id have no fear of relegation but still think at the moment its a bit early to say we wont go down especially with teams below us improving except the seals.
I like the bold bit a lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2015, 05:30:32 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on December 14, 2015, 05:17:26 PM
rondon and evans I agree have improved but I don't rate fletcher at all. like you say we cannot spend money we don't have but he has spent a lot of it on players like mac and chester for around £13m and we never see them, was the £3m spent on lambert good business.
if we can get back to back victories then yes id have no fear of relegation but still think at the moment its a bit early to say we wont go down especially with teams below us improving except the seals.
I like the bold bit a lot.

I think McManaman and Chester are players that will only be known as a success or failure when they leave, if both left here now then they would be massive failures but time will tell on both.

The £3m on Lambert was on paper a good signing and if it happened 12 months earlier people would be feeling different to how they do now but the 12 months at Liverpool getting splinters in his backside at his age is difficult to move on from and the only way to do it is to get game time which is difficult at the moment but when he comes on he holds the ball well and brings others into play so I would rather see him coming on than Vic for example.

Yeah, I guess it could be too early to say we won't go down but i'm more confident we won't than I was this time last year and am pretty confident barring a disaster than we won't be scrapping for points in the last couple of games to stay up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on December 14, 2015, 05:38:09 PM
My view still hasnt changed.

The football has very slightly improved which is a plus.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on December 14, 2015, 06:18:05 PM
It does make me feel bitter when other fans and pundits laugh about us and say 'imagine watching that rubbish every week' I don't think most of the people who slate us have seen us play but we are generally disliked and mocked now in football circles. I used to love taking the rise out of Stoke fans and wish I still could. marginally better results in exchange for being hated and pittied..don't ya just love selling your soul for the premier league ££££££££
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 14, 2015, 06:27:02 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on December 14, 2015, 06:18:05 PM
It does make me feel bitter when other fans and pundits laugh about us and say 'imagine watching that rubbish every week' I don't think most of the people who slate us have seen us play but we are generally disliked and mocked now in football circles. I used to love taking the rise out of Stoke fans and wish I still could. marginally better results in exchange for being hated and pittied..don't ya just love selling your soul for the premier league ££££££££

The media and big club fans have always been less than charitable to us, have you forgotten the 'pigs in lipstick' comment. The myth is that we are known as a free flowing football club, we are actually still known as the yo yo club, despite that also being a myth.

I would rather be known as the team that give the money clubs a bloody nose, the rest they can say what they want, I care not a jot, they are only interested in the top 5 anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 14, 2015, 06:30:47 PM
no one likes us! we dont care!! well I dont anyway - I trust TP to sort us out, it will take time though!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on December 14, 2015, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on December 14, 2015, 05:17:26 PM
rondon and evans I agree have improved but I don't rate fletcher at all. like you say we cannot spend money we don't have but he has spent a lot of it on players like mac and chester for around £13m and we never see them, was the £3m spent on lambert good business.
if we can get back to back victories then yes id have no fear of relegation but still think at the moment its a bit early to say we wont go down especially with teams below us improving except the seals.
I like the bold bit a lot.
I really do not understand this kind of "theory"if teams such as Newcastle, Sunderland Bournemouth etc are on a roll, then somebody must be losing. If we were in the bottom 4-5 with everyone around us winning then I would be concerned, but we are not, we are picking up points steadily.
That is not to say that will continue, I am sure we will have a losing run at some stage.
However, I trust Pullis to have the experience to dig us out unlike previous managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on December 14, 2015, 06:51:51 PM
We did not just hoof the ball all match long there were some moments I really liked the short passing and especially that back heel from Olson setting up (I cant remember) was very nice to see.We mixed it up a lot a little hoofing here and there and so on but fight to end.Nothing wrong with very well paid players putting a true shift.Olson was huge against Bentike and Fletch is looking like the ol' Fletch of late I like the direction the ream is heading in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2015, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: wbastrollers on December 14, 2015, 06:46:58 PM
I really do not understand this kind of "theory"if teams such as Newcastle, Sunderland Bournemouth etc are on a roll, then somebody must be losing. If we were in the bottom 4-5 with everyone around us winning then I would be concerned, but we are not, we are picking up points steadily.
That is not to say that will continue, I am sure we will have a losing run at some stage.
However, I trust Pullis to have the experience to dig us out unlike previous managers.
not rocket science is it, it depends on who the losing teams are such as Newcastle beating spurs and l,pool & b,mouth beating Chelsea and man utd. 4 defeated teams who probably wont affect the bottom end of the table at the end of the season. theres no advantage to us these teams losing but a big gain by Newcastle and Bournemouth on our points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 14, 2015, 07:41:58 PM
There is no real getting away from the fact that Pulis' brand of football is effective but horrible to watch. Most fans of teams we play say the same as we did when he was at Stoke. Sour grapes or some truth (and were we wrong?)? The suggestion is that it has improved but I think that is kind of wishful thinking or maybe it had hit rock bottom that anything is better than some of the earlier performances this season.
The goal against Tottenham was well worked but it stands out because how often have we managed to string more than 6 passes together? Against Liverpool we attempted 270 passes, ( only 63% successful) of which 79 were long balls (apparently). We scored three goals   ;D from three set pieces but only had one other shot. Anfield is a tough place to go and arguably needs must but it will be interesting to see how we approach Bournemouth on Saturday.
We will not go down. Our first team remain competent enough to grind out the points required fairly comfortably in my opinion and Pulis will ensure this. Just not what I class as value for money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2015, 08:25:40 PM
And yet for all those stats the one that matters is the one that got us a point and kept us unbeaten in four games.

Possession stats, passing stats mean nowt at the end of the day. You don't get points for them.

Also, don't think anything in the Prem is value for money these days, the whole thing is over-priced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 14, 2015, 08:38:02 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2015, 08:25:40 PM
And yet for all those stats the one that matters is the one that got us a point and kept us unbeaten in four games.

Possession stats, passing stats mean nowt at the end of the day. You don't get points for them.

Also, don't think anything in the Prem is value for money these days, the whole thing is over-priced.

Whilst I accept your point of view, in general possession and passing stats define your football philosophy, and therein lies my issue with Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2015, 08:44:34 PM
Quote from: Aztech on December 14, 2015, 08:38:02 PM
Whilst I accept your point of view, in general possession and passing stats define your football philosophy, and therein lies my issue with Tony Pulis.

But guarantees nothing. I agree his football at times is dross but its not as bad as some are making out.

I'm happier with the steady eddie approach we have now (I admit sometimes too steady and cautious) than the gung ho stuff that got Villa in the mess they're in under Sherwood. Shudder when you think that could have been us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 14, 2015, 09:06:12 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2015, 08:44:34 PM
But guarantees nothing. I agree his football at times is dross but its not as bad as some are making out.

I'm happier with the steady eddie approach we have now (I admit sometimes too steady and cautious) than the gung ho stuff that got Villa in the mess they're in under Sherwood. Shudder when you think that could have been us.

Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to football, and I enjoy nothing more than seeing us frustrate the so called big guns.

However it does not change my opinion, that in general we are not entertaining to watch under Pulis.

For what it's worth I never wanted Irvine, Sherwood or Pulis. I said when we offered Irvine the job I would prefer someone like Eddie Howe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on December 15, 2015, 12:10:52 AM
Quote from: Aztech on December 14, 2015, 09:06:12 PM
Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to football, and I enjoy nothing more than seeing us frustrate the so called big guns.

However it does not change my opinion, that in general we are not entertaining to watch under Pulis.

For what it's worth I never wanted Irvine, Sherwood or Pulis. I said when we offered Irvine the job I would prefer someone like Eddie Howe.

Pulis was perfect for our scenario however; keeping us up and solidifying our league status (so far he has done the one job, and is in the process of improving us - we have more points than this time last year).
Eddie Howe is would be nice, but he'd have been near impossible to get at the time; Bournemouth were doing well in the championship, we were struggling and he has a special bond with Bournemouth as a club which isn't like most managers. It wouldn't have been a case of "Here's some money and a Premier League job", he wouldn't have taken it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 15, 2015, 12:24:59 AM
In an ideal world you keep Pulis for 2 or 3 years, build the infra structure and a core 8+ players who are definitely Prem class and then move on to a manager who has strong defensive mindset, but with more flair. Like Hughes is currently doing at Stoke.

What we sadly can never do i dont think is put out a team week in, week out who are pure flowing attack minded. As when you wage a war against your opposition using the same tactics as them and they have more resources (as 14+ teams do), then you lose more often than not.

Either way, we're stuck with Pulis for another 18 months minimum id say and that means another 2 years of Prem football. Being ugly, but getting results against top 6 clubs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on December 15, 2015, 07:48:54 AM
I quite like the fact that we are disliked (feared?) as opposed to being liked (patronised?).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 15, 2015, 08:01:01 AM
Quote from: Brummie Road on December 15, 2015, 07:48:54 AM
I quite like the fact that we are disliked (feared?) as opposed to being liked (patronised?).

Same here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on December 15, 2015, 08:45:21 AM
Quote from: Brummie Road on December 15, 2015, 07:48:54 AM
I quite like the fact that we are disliked (feared?) as opposed to being liked (patronised?).

I agree, it's about time other teams feared playing us, instead of thinking they can give it a go and we will roll over and give them 3 points. It will definitely affect the opposing teams tactics. On another point the games we have lost we should have got points out of, especially Everton, Leicester and Chelsea.
The Palace, City and United games we deserved to get humped.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 15, 2015, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: Brummie Road on December 15, 2015, 07:48:54 AM
I quite like the fact that we are disliked (feared?) as opposed to being liked (patronised?).
I must admit that I am not a big fan of Pulis' style, but Klopp's antics have galvanised me a bit and I too enjoyed the way we spoiled his day.
If we can continue to be hard to beat and be a bit more of a threat on the counter, it could be quite enjoyable.
Who cares if no one likes us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on December 15, 2015, 09:51:55 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on December 15, 2015, 09:40:35 AM
I must admit that I am not a big fan of Pulis' style, but Klopp's antics have galvanised me a bit and I too enjoyed the way we spoiled his day.
If we can continue to be hard to beat and be a bit more of a threat on the counter, it could be quite enjoyable.
Who cares if no one likes us?
I prefer it if no one likes us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 15, 2015, 09:57:14 AM
Klopp is entirely accurate in his analysis of our performance but he is absolutely wrong to complain about it. If parking the bus and lumping the ball forward is what his opposite number thinks is best way to going about getting a result well that is their right and he has to just deal with it.

Feared? Not really playing us is a bit like to the trip the dentist a necessary evil which only comes round twice a year and has to be endured in the hope that it is not too painful.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: joeymayo on December 15, 2015, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 15, 2015, 09:57:14 AM
Klopp is entirely accurate in his analysis of our performance but he is absolutely wrong to complain about it. If parking the bus and lumping the ball forward is what his opposite number thinks is best way to going about getting a result well that is their right and he has to just deal with it.

Feared? Not really playing us is a bit like to the trip the dentist a necessary evil which only comes round twice a year and has to be endured in the hope that it is not too painful.

Well I for one hope we get at least a draw in the return fixture and the sour kraute can watch us celebrate  :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 15, 2015, 11:13:56 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 15, 2015, 09:57:14 AM
Klopp is entirely accurate in his analysis of our performance but he is absolutely wrong to complain about it. If parking the bus and lumping the ball forward is what his opposite number thinks is best way to going about getting a result well that is their right and he has to just deal with it.

Feared? Not really playing us is a bit like to the trip the dentist a necessary evil which only comes round twice a year and has to be endured in the hope that it is not too painful.   

If that's the mindset managers have when playing us it's a poor one.

I think will kick Bournemouth off the park Saturday and get the win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2015, 12:06:52 PM
I defy any Albion fan who went to Anfield to say they didn't enjoy the game or get value for money from the Albion performance, irrespective of 30% possession, one shot not from a setpiece, 180 passes to 600 odd.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 15, 2015, 12:55:59 PM
My view hasn't changed, and my view will not change.

Pulis will get results now, but he is no good for the long term future of this football club. He only works season to season, and when he leaves, we will be left with little or nothing for the next guy to build on (but if the next guy gets us relegated, it won't be Pulis fault, of course not).

The football is terrible. I keep seeing comments about 'what a great move' it was for the goal against Spurs, but it's literally the only time this season we've strung 5 passes or more together - and people keep bringing that one instance up as though it shows we're a great footballing side.

I have never suggested we won't get results under Pulis. I have never suggested that we will be relegated under Pulis. But I will not join the fickle changing of opinion when I fundamentally disagree with the way he plays the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on December 15, 2015, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on December 15, 2015, 12:55:59 PM
My view hasn't changed, and my view will not change.

Pulis will get results now, but he is no good for the long term future of this football club. He only works season to season, and when he leaves, we will be left with little or nothing for the next guy to build on (but if the next guy gets us relegated, it won't be Pulis fault, of course not).

The football is terrible. I keep seeing comments about 'what a great move' it was for the goal against Spurs, but it's literally the only time this season we've strung 5 passes or more together - and people keep bringing that one instance up as though it shows we're a great footballing side.

I have never suggested we won't get results under Pulis. I have never suggested that we will be relegated under Pulis. But I will not join the fickle changing of opinion when I fundamentally disagree with the way he plays the game.

Well said. I expect you'll get some stick for your views....but I for one agree with you. Our football is embarrassing me. I wonder how many chances Vardy would get with our style?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on December 15, 2015, 01:24:50 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on December 15, 2015, 12:55:59 PM
My view hasn't changed, and my view will not change.

Pulis will get results now, but he is no good for the long term future of this football club. He only works season to season, and when he leaves, we will be left with little or nothing for the next guy to build on (but if the next guy gets us relegated, it won't be Pulis fault, of course not).

The football is terrible. I keep seeing comments about 'what a great move' it was for the goal against Spurs, but it's literally the only time this season we've strung 5 passes or more together - and people keep bringing that one instance up as though it shows we're a great footballing side.

I have never suggested we won't get results under Pulis. I have never suggested that we will be relegated under Pulis. But I will not join the fickle changing of opinion when I fundamentally disagree with the way he plays the game.

Great post.

Post of the year for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 15, 2015, 01:31:55 PM
Quote from: Dexy on December 14, 2015, 10:14:28 AM
the biggest thing for me (and im in the middle as i was with Irvine) was the nailing of Pulis before we had even got to November. Lets not forget the mess he was left with and anybody needed more than a few months to even start building something here.
Pepe Mel got judged and dispatched after just a few months, without even having the benefit of a transfer window that he had any input into, or a close season. Many were very angry about that, so it was inevitable that people would start judging Pulis after he'd had 2 transfer windows plus a close season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 15, 2015, 01:43:04 PM
Quote from: miggybaggy on December 15, 2015, 01:10:08 PM
Well said. I expect you'll get some stick for your views....but I for one agree with you. Our football is embarrassing me. I wonder how many chances Vardy would get with our style?

I watched Leicester against Chelsea and they put men behind the ball and hoofed it for Vardy to run onto. I also saw an interesting stat that none of the five Premier League teams with the most possession at the weekend won.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on December 15, 2015, 01:43:47 PM
Good post from FallOut. For all sorts of reasons I gave up my season tickets this year, amongst them that I don't really like the style too much.

It's an odd one. I gave actually warmed hugely to Pulis as a bloke, his press conferences and statements are a combination of highly professional and highly amusing, I think he well understands the level of club we are presently, and he clearly understood what was needed to keep us up last year, and to some extent to build on it this season, but do I enjoy watching it? No.

I lost a huge amount of interest with the capitulations at Villa last year then at home to QPR which I thought was a shocking performance. I haven't been since, which given I have largely been a regular since December 1966 is a bit of a surprise even to me.

This season, when I have watched on TV, I haven't yet watched a full match. It just isn't very interesting or exciting. I know TV can have that effect but goodness we look shocking at times and the first half against West Ham, Christ we were dreadful.

Pulis bewilders me with his handling of some players too. What on Earth is going on with Chester and Callum Mac? It seems bizarre, these are his players.

I'm not saying I won't go again whole TP is still there, but I will say that when Hodgson left the name that excited me most was Ranieri. For me he represented the possibility of Albion really establishing themselves as a top half side a la Everton, but while I respect what Pulis can achieve through the results he grinds out, and doubtless there will be no extended flirtation with relegation this season or any other he's around, will we move on significantly? I really truly doubt it, though I'll be happy to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hillsm on December 15, 2015, 01:46:28 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on December 15, 2015, 12:55:59 PM
My view hasn't changed, and my view will not change.

Pulis will get results now, but he is no good for the long term future of this football club. He only works season to season, and when he leaves, we will be left with little or nothing for the next guy to build on (but if the next guy gets us relegated, it won't be Pulis fault, of course not).


I'm sure Stoke fans will disagree. TP laid the foundations for what Mark Hughes has carried on, with many of the players that TP recruited still key members of their squad.

I'd love what they have had over the last few years: an FA cup final appearance, Europa League campaign and many domestic scalps with TP in charge. Now they're reaping the rewards, they've been able to attract Hughes and in turn some quality flair players.

I'm more than happy with our current situation. Relegation is not on the agenda, I think we will have a good go in the cup in the new year and the football is steadily improving. He has also been able to attract some big names to the club in Fletcher and Evans with hopefully more to follow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 15, 2015, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on December 14, 2015, 10:22:47 AM
There's little difference in the approach to games.

Possession: West Brom - 41.9% Leicester - 44.2%
Pass Success: West Brom - 71.9% Leicester - 71.2%

Long Balls: West Brom - 73 Leictester - 71
Crosses: West Brom - 20 Leicester - 21
Short Passes: West Brom - 260 Leicester - 271

The main difference is Leicester winning the ball back much better. They make a lot more tackles and interceptions which helps to spring their counter attacks.

http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/5826/Stages/12496/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2015-2016
Something's obviously different as Leicester have scored twice as many goals as we have. The site you sourced your data from also indicates the following:
Unfortunately, the website doesn't include the number of shots on target, as I'd be interested to know where we ranked for that.

As I've said, if playing this way excites people then good luck to them. I maintain that it isn't the only way to stay in this league, and that gung-ho attack is not the only available alternative playing style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on December 15, 2015, 01:52:28 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 15, 2015, 01:43:04 PM
I watched Leicester against Chelsea and they put men behind the ball and hoofed it for Vardy to run onto. I also saw an interesting stat that none of the five Premier League teams with the most possession at the weekend won.  ;)

I'm sorry. Leicester were fantastic. Both goals were sublime and represented the beautiful game to perfection. I don't see any of that at the hawthorns. BTW, I agree that possession stats are meaningless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on December 15, 2015, 01:56:39 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on December 15, 2015, 12:55:59 PM

Pulis will get results now, but he is no good for the long term future of this football club. He only works season to season, and when he leaves, we will be left with little or nothing for the next guy to build on (but if the next guy gets us relegated, it won't be Pulis fault, of course not).


I can't agree with that. When Hughes took over at Stoke he didn't have to spend a penny on the spine of the side. 3 and a half seasons later you will see Pulis signings are still a main feature of the spine: Butland - Shawcross - Whelan/Adam  - Walters (Walters lost his place 2 games ago and Shawcross missed the start of the season through injury if you want to a pedant)  :)

Also if you check the starting lineup from the West Brom v Stoke game in March: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31776418 you will see 8 of the starting 11 for Stoke were signed by Pulis. If he left little for the new guy to work with, why did he persist with the previous guys players over 600 days and 5 transfer windows after he left the club?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on December 15, 2015, 01:59:34 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on December 15, 2015, 01:50:50 PM
Something's obviously different as Leicester have scored twice as many goals as we have. The site you sourced your data from also indicates the following:
  • Albion are averaging less shots per game than anyone else in the Premiership (no surprise there).
  • Albion's average possession percentage is the lowest in the Premiership (41.9% actually seems high to me given that many of the post-match stats posted on here have shown our possession being in the 30s).
  • Albion's average number of passes per game is the lowest in the Premiership.
  • Only Villa have scored fewer goals from open play than we have.
Unfortunately, the website doesn't include the number of shots on target, as I'd be interested to know where we ranked for that.

As I've said, if playing this way excites people then good luck to them. I maintain that it isn't the only way to stay in this league, and that gung-ho attack is not the only available alternative playing style.

Kante and Drinkwater are doing a great job tackling and intercepting the ball. I think Kante has the best stats in Europe for that side of the game.

That allows them to have more counter attacks, which leads to more shots, which leads to more goals. It also helps having your 2 forwards bang in form at the same time. They have scored more than Bale, Benzema and Ronaldo combined which is crazy to think  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 15, 2015, 02:44:57 PM
It may be fickle but I'm changing my opinion I also think it's a results based business so if we lost next three I would have doubts creeping in again I don't really see issue with that mentality.

Main things for me is we are scoring goals now whether by luck or skill it's irrelevant the ball is hitting the back of the net.

The comeback against arsenal was the first time since going a goal down at home in three years, pulis done brilliant to squash that horrid record.

Mcclean looks more positive, Evans looks like a superb signing.

The football can be boring for large parts of the game but I can steadily see some positives now which is the main thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 15, 2015, 02:49:15 PM
I think he has bombed certain players out to be fair I think if the rumours are correct Macca done he's chances with that dive early season, Berahino needs no explanation and then chesters comments in the mail about having other options was a mistake.

It is harsh besides Berahino but pulis don't put up with things like that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 15, 2015, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on December 15, 2015, 02:44:57 PM
It may be fickle but I'm changing my opinion

Some may suggest that you are indeed fickle, or perhaps even weak minded and without the courage of your convictions.

Others may suggest that you are flexible, open minded and free of constraints to your enjoyment ;).

Whichever is the case, I hate the term fickle and see it applied as a lazy generalisation far too often on footballl forums and the media at large.

Personally I have no problem with people changing their mind, so long as they don't change it with the wind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 15, 2015, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on December 15, 2015, 03:14:59 PM
Some may suggest that you are indeed fickle, or perhaps even weak minded and without the courage of your convictions.

Others may suggest that you are flexible, open minded and free of constraints to your enjoyment ;).

Whichever is the case, I hate the term fickle and see it applied as a lazy generalisation far too often on footballl forums and the media at large.

Personally I have no problem with people changing their mind, so long as they don't change it with the wind.

 :D that tickled me, I think people can look into it to much there's some clever folk on here who evaluate the game to crazy levels I personally just see it as a game of football some things whind me up and that's generally when I bite.

Comments on Rondon on Twitter have been unfair maybe the new whipping boy for some.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 15, 2015, 03:50:09 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2015, 12:06:52 PM
I defy any Albion fan who went to Anfield to say they didn't enjoy the game or get value for money from the Albion performance, irrespective of 30% possession, one shot not from a setpiece, 180 passes to 600 odd.
The one stat you quote is 30% possession and in my opinion this cost us the 3 points I said to my brother at the game when the board went up for 8 minutes that we wouldn't hold out,we couldn't keep the ball.
  I felt a bit dissappointed leaving Anfield sunday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2015, 04:13:49 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on December 15, 2015, 03:50:09 PM
The one stat you quote is 30% possession and in my opinion this cost us the 3 points I said to my brother at the game when the board went up for 8 minutes that we wouldn't hold out,we couldn't keep the ball.
  I felt a bit dissappointed leaving Anfield sunday.

Nothing to do with it, we missed 3 consecutive tackles and then McAuley turned his back on the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 15, 2015, 04:17:07 PM
Leicester only had 34% possession last night,  our problem with Liverpool was that some of the players made individual mistakes which cost us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on December 15, 2015, 09:31:55 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on December 15, 2015, 03:14:59 PM
Some may suggest that you are indeed fickle, or perhaps even weak minded and without the courage of your convictions.

Others may suggest that you are flexible, open minded and free of constraints to your enjoyment ;).

Whichever is the case, I hate the term fickle and see it applied as a lazy generalisation far too often on footballl forums and the media at large.

Personally I have no problem with people changing their mind, so long as they don't change it with the wind.

Poll 1: approx 75% at end of September
Poll 2: approx 45%
Poll 3: approx 70% by middle of December

Big variation in only 3 months - fickleness at its very best?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2015, 09:33:52 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on December 15, 2015, 09:31:55 PM
Poll 1: approx 75% at end of September
Poll 2: approx 45%
Poll 3: approx 70% by middle of December

Big variation in only 3 months - fickleness at its very best?

My view hasn't changed through all 3 iterations of the poll. Go regular, back TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 15, 2015, 09:38:36 PM
Can't people just enjoy it  :D Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on December 15, 2015, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: miggybaggy on December 15, 2015, 01:52:28 PM
I'm sorry. Leicester were fantastic. Both goals were sublime and represented the beautiful game to perfection. I don't see any of that at the hawthorns. BTW, I agree that possession stats are meaningless.

You obviously didn't hear many pundits views on Mac's goal V Spurs. I even heard comments such as a 'wonderfully' worked goal and 'tremendous' finish mentioned during a certain synopses. I even heard that we 'tormented' Liverpool with set-pieces! Leicester are a great story and I have full respect for their achievements thus far - I once said I didn't rate Vardy and I eat my words....he's extremely unique in this league in the respect he's an absolute terrier with an unrivalled desire to score. Take him out the team and you have a competent, dare I say it 'Albion'. If Berahino had the same desire....we would almost certainly be a few places better off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 15, 2015, 10:27:55 PM
Quote from: miggybaggy on December 15, 2015, 01:52:28 PM
I'm sorry. Leicester were fantastic. Both goals were sublime and represented the beautiful game to perfection. I don't see any of that at the hawthorns. BTW, I agree that possession stats are meaningless.

The goal against Spurs I would put in that bracket. Leicester had a game plan similar to how we set up, they just have a bit of extra quality in Mahrez that we don't possess and an average player full of confidence who's in the form of his life in Vardy. Regarding possession, I would rather see an Albion team play quick, direct football creating plenty of chances. The stuff Man United are playing at the moment is turgid but they keep the ball well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 15, 2015, 11:24:59 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on December 15, 2015, 03:50:09 PM
The one stat you quote is 30% possession and in my opinion this cost us the 3 points I said to my brother at the game when the board went up for 8 minutes that we wouldn't hold out,we couldn't keep the ball.
  I felt a bit dissappointed leaving Anfield sunday.

Didn't help that we couldn't keep the ball and kill the game that way. However I would say when leading with only a few minutes left you should expect
TO put on the Back foot by the opposition. If rondon had buried that chance it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 16, 2015, 12:33:38 AM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on December 15, 2015, 09:31:55 PM
Big variation in only 3 months - fickleness at its very best?

Not at all from my perspective.

Time provides us with more information upon which to base our judgements and opinions.

Remember, an 'opinion' can never be right or wrong, merely swayed one way or the other by individual inpertretation of that which unfolds before us  :).

By the way, my vote has not changed and as in any private ballot my vote is my business  ;).

Further, I have absolutely no idea whether the people who voted in each poll were indeed the same people, so there is no way to know if other voters have changed their minds.

Ergo, there is no way that I am aware of to define one as 'fickle', even if one were predisposed to said terms useage.

Or summat like that  :) ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 17, 2015, 08:13:26 AM
Maybe not the best place to post this but the Birmingham mail posted stats on ground covered per game by teams in the league:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-stats-special-how-10606666

We are third, behind a team who beat United and Chelsea back to back (and we play Saturday) and a team as of last week were on a big unbeaten run working hard. Shows for all it's worth and our low possession stats recently that we are busting a gut to get around the pitch and work for the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 17, 2015, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on December 17, 2015, 08:13:26 AM
Maybe not the best place to post this but the Birmingham mail posted stats on ground covered per game by teams in the league:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-stats-special-how-10606666

We are third, behind a team who beat United and Chelsea back to back (and we play Saturday) and a team as of last week were on a big unbeaten run working hard. Shows for all it's worth and our low possession stats recently that we are busting a gut to get around the pitch and work for the ball.
Again, not sure if this is the correct place to post, but in a different article in today's B'ham Mail, when asked about his knock, Mozza says he's back in training and running about, defending like mad (paraphrased) Think it's probably tongue in cheek, but thought it a strange thing for an attacking midfielder to say 'defending like mad'. Could it be a pop at Pulis' training methods?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 17, 2015, 11:21:04 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on December 17, 2015, 09:28:01 AM
Again, not sure if this is the correct place to post, but in a different article in today's B'ham Mail, when asked about his knock, Mozza says he's back in training and running about, defending like mad (paraphrased) Think it's probably tongue in cheek, but thought it a strange thing for an attacking midfielder to say 'defending like mad'. Could it be a pop at Pulis' training methods?

Be nice of the club to find something the players are happy with if thats a pop at Pulis, they weren't happy with Mel either as he wanted to do something different. Perhaps that comfort zone over the past few years has been a touch too comfy for some.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 17, 2015, 11:26:55 AM
don't think it is a pop at Pulis more a tongue in cheek comment for local sports journo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on December 18, 2015, 03:33:55 PM
great manager. if we stick with him for another 3-5 years, we'll be A OK.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 18, 2015, 08:34:29 PM
Told Klopp the clown exactly what we were all thinking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 18, 2015, 08:50:11 PM
I think Pulis is a class act. 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 18, 2015, 11:14:08 PM
I do so love reading TheJacko2000's posts. You soooooooo believe that everything you type is absolutely gospel, correct, no debate.. end of !!  It always entertains me !!!  They aren't ALWAYS correct, but they are entertaining !
For the record, i actualy agree with you on lots of issues, but not everything.   
Foe example, I am a huge fan of Chris Brunt, and fully support your view of him - we won't know what we had until he is gone. By contrast, I wouldnt subscribe to you slavish belief in TP's methods.
The joys of a forum !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on December 18, 2015, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on December 18, 2015, 11:14:08 PM
I do so love reading TheJacko2000's posts. You soooooooo believe that everything you type is absolutely gospel, correct, no debate.. end of !!  It always entertains me !!!  They aren't ALWAYS correct, but they are entertaining !
For the record, i actualy agree with you on lots of issues, but not everything.

Not to worry mucka everybody can't be perfect can they TheJacko2000 ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 19, 2015, 03:05:20 AM
What do you mean they're not always right? This news to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Matty on December 19, 2015, 07:56:53 AM
His comments about Liverpool were brilliant yesterday, wound the Reds in my office up a treat!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on December 19, 2015, 05:43:57 PM
New poll again today ?     :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 19, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
One loss and all the Pulis haters will come out from hiding. Hilarious. We are still on course for safety which is the aim, in TP we trust.  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on December 19, 2015, 06:23:36 PM
I'd like him to pi55 off right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 19, 2015, 06:26:02 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 19, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
One loss and all the Pulis haters will come out from hiding. Hilarious. We are still on course for safety which is the aim, in TP we trust.  8)

Couple of points, I don't hate Pulis I simply hate his style of football, secondly I have not come out from hiding, I post every week, win lose or draw. Hilarious maybe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 19, 2015, 06:41:11 PM
Game plan was working today. We weren't being outplayed we were allowing them to play in front of us. Big difference. Sending off changed the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on December 19, 2015, 06:41:21 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 19, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
One loss and all the Pulis haters will come out from hiding. Hilarious. We are still on course for safety which is the aim, in TP we trust.  8)
Hiding because we beat Arsenal and drawed the rest ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on December 19, 2015, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 19, 2015, 06:41:11 PM
Game plan was working today. We weren't being outplayed we were allowing them to play in front of us. Big difference. Sending off changed the game.
lol we had 26% possession at the break at home,against a team I would say are weaker than us,why is this acceptable to you ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 19, 2015, 06:50:04 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 19, 2015, 06:41:11 PM
Game plan was working today. We weren't being outplayed we were allowing them to play in front of us. Big difference. Sending off changed the game.

Pulis game plan is to defend rather than attack the likes of Bournmouth when playing at home.

If not creating a goal scoring opportunity for the first 30 minutes is what he set out to do, then I agree, it was working.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 19, 2015, 06:50:48 PM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on December 19, 2015, 06:43:02 PM
lol we had 26% possession at the break at home,against a team I would say are weaker than us,why is this acceptable to you ?

Why is it unacceptable to you? What was the score at half time?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 19, 2015, 06:56:03 PM
If McClean doesn't get sent off I fully believe we win the game. We lost to a Bournemouth team who have just beaten Chelsea and United, we have no right to expect a win against them. We dust ourselves down and try and win the next game, nothing to get worried about for me we are still a mid table team who will win some and lose some.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on December 19, 2015, 07:05:20 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 19, 2015, 06:56:03 PM
If McClean doesn't get sent off I fully believe we win the game. We lost to a Bournemouth team who have just beaten Chelsea and United, we have no right to expect a win against them. We dust ourselves down and try and win the next game, nothing to get worried about for me we are still a mid table team who will win some and lose some.

Have you just watched the same game as me?

We were sh1te with 11 and onky slightly better with 10.

How anyone can defend that performance is beyond me. That was not football that was an embarrassment to the word.

PULIS OUT!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 19, 2015, 07:07:57 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on December 19, 2015, 07:05:20 PM
Have you just watched the same game as me?

We were sh1te with 11 and onky slightly better with 10.

How anyone can defend that performance is beyond me. That was not football that was an embarrassment to the word.

PULIS OUT!

Agreed, although have you just come out of hiding as well?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on December 19, 2015, 07:12:22 PM
Quote from: Aztech on December 19, 2015, 07:07:57 PM
Agreed, although have you just come out of hiding as well?

No i been here. Ive praised when weve played well and i give critism when deserved. That today was terrible. 2pm i saw the team and everyone in the sportsman was downhearted before a ball was kicked.

Yes we need to stay in the league but so do the other 19 teams and they dont play this so called football, and i use that term loosely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 19, 2015, 07:15:17 PM
As an interesting aside Manchester United had 70% possession today and were booed off at halftime and fulltime.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 19, 2015, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on December 19, 2015, 07:12:22 PM
No i been here. Ive praised when weve played well and i give critism when deserved. That today was terrible. 2pm i saw the team and everyone in the sportsman was downhearted before a ball was kicked.

Yes we need to stay in the league but so do the other 19 teams and they dont play this so called football, and i use that term loosely.

I agree mate, however I don't think we will definitely stay up under Pulis, in the same way I can't accept relegation is a formality if we replace him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 19, 2015, 07:18:49 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 19, 2015, 07:15:17 PM
As an interesting aside Manchester United had 70% possession today and were booed off at halftime and fulltime.

I doubt anyone believes possession alone will win you games, however it is a very good measure as to your football philosophy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on December 19, 2015, 07:23:27 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 19, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
One loss and all the Pulis haters will come out from hiding. Hilarious. We are still on course for safety which is the aim, in TP we trust.  8)

We somehow hapenned to win one game of football due to a stroke of luck.

Nothings changed, were still just as poor every single week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 19, 2015, 07:37:44 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 19, 2015, 06:41:11 PM
Game plan was working today. We weren't being outplayed we were allowing them to play in front of us. Big difference. Sending off changed the game.

Disagree. There were a few times when they got through us and we were throwing in last ditch tackles. They got around and behind us maybe 3-4 times in the first half. At the time i was hopeful of a half time breather and team talk to turn us round. Whats worse is that appart from a clever attempt by Morrison we offered nothing whatsoever going forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on December 19, 2015, 08:23:02 PM
After today's disappointing result we really need to win at Swansea on Boxing Day to move away from the perilously precarious bottom of the table zone. Perhaps the enforced changes will bring about a change of fortune.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 19, 2015, 08:30:27 PM
Awful start today, lacked energy and  on the back foot from the beginning. I hope we don't have our traditional winter slump or we'll get dragged into a proper relegation scrap. Any chance an energetic centre midfielder, winger and striker for Christmas please Santa? Oh yes and a proper full back or two?

I think Pulis is doing a decent job overall but doesn't help himself with selections and tactics at home - is it any reason it can be a bit flat in the ground when we have such little attacking ambition on our own patch against teams around us?

Hopefully our away form can see us through this season - again
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on December 19, 2015, 08:40:18 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 19, 2015, 06:50:48 PM
Why is it unacceptable to you? What was the score at half time?

Its not acceptable at all,we was playing Bournemouth not Real Madrid.His team selection is so negative,as is his tactics,we are going nowhere and have spent a lot of money and changed things behind the scenes to suit Pulis,but can you honestly say you have seen an improvement  ?

Tactics are mind boggling,the pointless and numerous long punts to a forward isolated for most of the game,the poor bloke must have neck ache at the end of the game,maybe he has a sore bonce after today too,also then there are always players out of position or they cant get in the team for some reason,can go on and on but its ok thats the Pulis way.

Club is branded as the new Stoke or labelled as being boring and dull,this is all because we appointed the guy who managed Stoke,that most of us used to hate with a passion for the way they used to play.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 19, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
The Pulis supporters on here keep saying " we'll be fine, we'll be midtable.. no fear of going down".
Time to kop on lads and see the real picture. A couple of hard-fought draws and we all think TP is the bees knees again. We're hovering pretty percariously not far above the drop zone, and a couple of teams underneath us are starting to find a bit of formNo doubt Chelsea will shortly whizz by us, and I wouldnt be that hopeful of staying above Bournemouth for long more.
Lets face it, we're sh1te. A couple of wins every 9 or 10 games glosses over the appalling spectavle that TP's team serve. Safe my bloody backside. We're heading for yet another relegation battle fast.
We're going to end up in no better a position than we were over the last 4 or 5 seasons, with a dysfuntional squad of robots, who have the joy of the game coached out of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 19, 2015, 09:30:20 PM
We have a named squad of 22 players (plus a number of under 21), if we started with players who were sick then Pulis really needs to take a look at himself. If the squad were players who had no pedigree, fair enough, but we are talking internationally capped players who have played at the highest level. One way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on December 19, 2015, 09:48:36 PM
Out played and gave up possession to a newly promoted team even before the sending off.  Pulis' wonderful tactics against teams we should be beating. I know there are 'no easy teams' but we must be dominating teams like this at home having been in this league for some time now.

This bloke is so negative its infuriating.  We can't pass, too many long balls to a striker who works hard but is frankly out of his depth.  The ill discipline today was embarrassing.  That's partly down to the way the manager sets us up and the frustration it brings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 19, 2015, 10:10:21 PM
It's mad that over 200 pages of the same debate have gone on here since Pulis was appointed - he gets results with a poor style to watch , yes we all know!!!

He won't leave before the end of the season unless we have a terrible run and he loses control (very unlikely seeing he seems a control freak). His long track record and results since he came to Albion suggest he's odds on to keep us up.

However painful it is to some he ain't going anywhere at least til next summer. In a ideal world, he'll keep us up comfortably and leave us in the summer with a stronger squad than he inherited - he'd do that if he let tomorrow.

He's here because it's a marriage of convenience.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 19, 2015, 10:28:50 PM
I find it mind boggling that he still went ahead with playing several players who were ill today. Our squad size appears to be about 13 or 14 as far as Pulis is concerned. It would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 19, 2015, 10:31:22 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on December 19, 2015, 10:28:50 PM
I find it mind boggling that he still went ahead with playing several players who were ill today. Our squad size appears to be about 13 or 14 as far as Pulis is concerned. It would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

It is pathetic, and yet we are told we have to accept Pulisball if we want to remain in the premier league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on December 19, 2015, 11:23:18 PM
Quote from: Aztech on December 19, 2015, 10:31:22 PM
It is pathetic, and yet we are told we have to accept Pulisball if we want to remain in the premier league.
Pulisball is one thing. I can just about accept it for this season if that's the price for staying up. But playing with ill players is just very poor management, and I include medical staff in that. If they are well enough to play, don't use it as an excuse. If they're not well enough, don't pick them. End of.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 19, 2015, 11:28:05 PM
The signings of Chester and Mcmanaman look to be truly appalling signings. When we have McLean and Gardner as our starting wingers and Dawson and Brunt as our full backs; it's clearly been a gross misuse of our limited funds.

Our only creative player today was Morrison until Sess came on. The creativity, skill and directness is non existent. We have the lowest possession stats out of anyone in the league. It's painful to watch on a stream feel desperately sorry for those who attend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 19, 2015, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on December 19, 2015, 11:28:05 PM
The signings of Chester and Mcmanaman look to be truly appalling signings. When we have McLean and Gardner as our starting wingers and Dawson and Brunt as our full backs; it's clearly been a gross misuse of our limited funds.

Our only creative player today was Morrison until Sess came on. The creativity, skill and directness is non existent. We have the lowest possession stats out of anyone in the league. It's painful to watch on a stream feel desperately sorry for those who attend.

I have to disagree that they are appalling signings, I will say that they have been utilised by Pulis appallingly though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 19, 2015, 11:40:42 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on December 19, 2015, 11:32:19 PM
I have to disagree that they are appalling signings, I will say that they have been utilised by Pulis appallingly though.

They are appalling if he isn't going to use them, whether justified or not. The Chester signing is mind boggling.  These weren't Unknown foreign signings he's just wasted money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on December 20, 2015, 12:14:42 AM
That's why peace will not give him a transfer budget in January the bloke is beginning to annoy me with the excuses and long list of injuries to opposition and his best mate just got sacked
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 20, 2015, 12:52:26 AM
Before he had his dig at Klopp he should have checked the fixture to see who were playing next.

 Bournemouth's starting XI cost less than a 20th of our starting XI or about a 18th of our bench or about the same as one of the players  that got sent off (clue not Rondon). Yet the  team that wanted to pass the ball to feet had the bulk of possession (even before their opponents were reduced to 10 men) and showed the bulk of the attacking intent was the one consisting of players that many of our supporters would dismiss as "Championship Players at Best"

Oddly enough I do not regard that as a great testament to the tactical wizardry or the footballing philosophy of our current Head Coach   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 20, 2015, 01:32:01 AM
That was my first visit this season, if that's football think i will find something a bit more entertaining. 220 mile round trip and £100 costs for what was largely a fooging embarrassment. The whole setup is just so negative, were at home against a newcomer and we play with one upfront is a joke. Get stuffed pulls. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 20, 2015, 01:55:56 AM
I didn't haven't watched it been a busy boy today all I can say is Berahino in next week please I don't care how much of a wa.ker he is.

There's still a healthy six point gap separating us from the bottom three but lose the next 2 and things will be looking a lot different for the worse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on December 20, 2015, 08:33:58 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 19, 2015, 07:15:17 PM
As an interesting aside Manchester United had 70% possession today and were booed off at halftime and fulltime.

To reinforce your argument Middlesborough had 38% possession yesterday at Brighton & won 3-0.
Possession is a decent indicator, but no more than that, the real KPI, in my opinion is "shots" followed by "shots on target".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on December 20, 2015, 09:19:33 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 20, 2015, 12:52:26 AM
Before he had his dig at Klopp he should have checked the fixture to see who were playing next.

 Bournemouth's starting XI cost less than a 20th of our starting XI or about a 18th of our bench or about the same as one of the players  that got sent off (clue not Rondon). Yet the  team that wanted to pass the ball to feet had the bulk of possession (even before their opponents were reduced to 10 men) and showed the bulk of the attacking intent was the one consisting of players that many of our supporters would dismiss as "Championship Players at Best"

Oddly enough I do not regard that as a great testament to the tactical wizardry or the footballing philosophy of our current Head Coach
We all sat there and watched that rubbish first half yesterday and the question is always going to be asked if Bournemouth are capable of passing the ball why can't we .
Mocking Klopp is all well and good but if I was Pulis I would be ashamed to be responsible for that first half .


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on December 20, 2015, 09:24:08 AM
Quote from: timdon on December 19, 2015, 11:23:18 PM
Pulisball is one thing. I can just about accept it for this season if that's the price for staying up. But playing with ill players is just very poor management, and I include medical staff in that. If they are well enough to play, don't use it as an excuse. If they're not well enough, don't pick them. End of.

Difficulty is that due to suspension and the busy festive period Pulis has now got to go and ask players who have barely played a competitive fixture in 3 months to do a job for him , very difficult task to do . This stubborn formula of using effectively a 14 man squad could quite well bite him on the backside .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 20, 2015, 09:25:11 AM
Quote from: Mo on December 20, 2015, 09:19:33 AM
We all sat there and watched that rubbish first half yesterday and the question is always going to be asked if Bournemouth are capable of passing the ball why can't we .
Mocking Klopp is all well and good but if I was Pulis I would be ashamed to be responsible for that first half .

Agreed. Too many fans believe that Pulisball is the only way to stay up. Its not, and the majority of the teams in the premier league will stay up by playing half decent football.

Bournemouth didn't have a great game by their standards but they looked streets ahead of us. I don't believe they have better players than us - does anyone really believe this? They are simply coached properly to bring out the best. Name me a single player that is or will reach his potential under Pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 20, 2015, 09:30:36 AM
While i agree Pulis got it wrong Yesterday we have just come off an excellent run of results against very difficult sides , to play Arsenal , Spurs ,West Ham and Liverpool and remain unbeaten whilst playing some decent football takes some doing for a club like ours .
Pulis will make mistakes like any other Head Coach , the sad thing for  me is the reaction from some when we finally turned in poor performance which again we will do over the season at some point.
I maintain any Head Coach needs a full season at least to be judged as long as we aren't in real trouble.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jharman292 on December 20, 2015, 09:31:04 AM
Luckily for Pulis the red cards will help cover up the fact that we were being taught a footballing lesson while 11v11. After being in the Premier League for so long, it is embarrassing to see our approach to that football match. I said on here last week that we he will stick with the same team which will be the wrong decision. At home to Bournemouth is a different prospect all together than going to Anfield.

We have had some good results lately and could have gone into that game on the front foot and got the place booming in the first 10 minutes. However, yet again Pulis went with his trusted players even though some of them were ill.

With McClean and Rondon out, we could well see Evans move to left back, brunt pushed up with Gardner on the right and Lambert up top. Oh the joy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 20, 2015, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: frazzle on December 20, 2015, 09:25:11 AM
Agreed. Too many fans believe that Pulisball is the only way to stay up. Its not, and the majority of the teams in the premier league will stay up by playing half decent football.

Bournemouth didn't have a great game by their standards but they looked streets ahead of us. I don't believe they have better players than us - does anyone really believe this? They are simply coached properly to bring out the best. Name me a single player that is or will reach his potential under Pulis?
Craig Dawson , Chris Brunt and James McClean......all having a new lease of life under TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 20, 2015, 09:37:30 AM
Quote from: Mo on December 20, 2015, 09:24:08 AM
Difficulty is that due to suspension and the busy festive period Pulis has now got to go and ask players who have barely played a competitive fixture in 3 months to do a job for him , very difficult task to do . This stubborn formula of using effectively a 14 man squad could quite well bite him on the backside .

Doubtful, I've put forward a pretty negative team on the match thread that only really utilises Lambert as someone who could be considered not to have been involved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 20, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
What was telling for me was that when McClean trudged off what did our Tone do?
Did he head to the edge of his technical area and issue instructions and rearrange his (our) team?
No he went and sat down on the wall at the back and crossed his bloody arms in a sulk is what he did!
Plan a had gone out of the window and clearly he has no plan b, c or d!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 20, 2015, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 20, 2015, 12:52:26 AM
Before he had his dig at Klopp he should have checked the fixture to see who were playing next.
 

On that, was Pulis seriously suggesting that our team is worth £20m?

He has pretty much spent that amount on players with the exception of Evans being the only clear cut success, every one of his signings still has a big question mark hanging over him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 20, 2015, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 20, 2015, 09:37:30 AM
Doubtful, I've put forward a pretty negative team on the match thread that only really utilises Lambert as someone who could be considered not to have been involved.

I think he may start Sess, but other than that I think your team was about right. What worries me is that it may be a while before Evans gets back to his best position and yet again we have a player playing in a position where he has little experience.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on December 20, 2015, 10:10:48 AM
Pulis is nothing but a thug in a baseball cap. We play in his image, and if he stays much longer the clubs image will be dragged into the gutter. It is well on the way now. Spoke to a Liverpool fan the other day, who lives in the midlands but is Liverpool born, He said we were always his favourite team in the area, going back to the late 60s  in that it was generally a good game in a good atmosphere. He said he was staggered by our approach last Sunday, time wasting , no attacking intent apart from the odd corner or free kick etc.etc.  No real desire to contribute to a game of football. If all teams adopted that approach what sort of spectacle would it be.?

Those who give this man any credence have no regard for the clubs history , or future for that matter.  I am no longer "proud to be a Baggie"  We are an embarrassment.  We used to deride Stoke for their tactics under Pulis, and sing "one nil to the football team" when scoring first against the likes of Watford under Boothroyd.

Just have a good look at ourselves now.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on December 20, 2015, 10:59:29 AM
The only difference with the two lads being suspended will be that Lambert will go up top and sess will come into midfield or yacob to make the team ultra defensive. Just think myhill, Dawson, olsonn. Gmac, Evans, Gardener, Fletcher, yacob, Morrison, brunt and Lambert up top would we get a shot on target against Swansea think not
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on December 20, 2015, 11:01:25 AM
I don't think we will ever change anyone's mind over TP,doesn't matter which camp you are in,as I can see it being like this for years.
He will do enough to avoid relegation and enough to get the odd shock result,but generally the football will never improve while he is here,unless you like set piece goals or chances,to undeservedly win a game that we really haven't had any intent on winning.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on December 20, 2015, 11:04:58 AM
Quote from: Mo on December 20, 2015, 09:19:33 AM
We all sat there and watched that rubbish first half yesterday and the question is always going to be asked if Bournemouth are capable of passing the ball why can't we .
Mocking Klopp is all well and good but if I was Pulis I would be ashamed to be responsible for that first half .

I thought Klopp was out of order refusing to shake Pulis's hand but find it hard to disagree with any of his comments about us. We do only slam long balls, we do time waste at every opportunity etc.....

Like the Watford manager pointed out earlier in the season "its very difficult to play against a team who don't want the football".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on December 20, 2015, 11:34:40 AM
It seemed obvious to me that something was wrong with the players from the get go. Lethargic and chasing around like headless chickens.shouldn't have played mozza nor fletch and what's the point of Gardner what does he give us? Sess should have started with macca in number 10 position with rondon who I thought was immense
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 20, 2015, 11:49:57 AM
Pullis has now been sussed out by a lot of teams.
They just have to employ 2 quick wingers and hey presto, Tony's defensive plans have been undone.
As fans, we have been screaming for 2 proper full backs.
This has fell on closed ears.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on December 20, 2015, 11:55:35 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on December 20, 2015, 11:49:57 AM
Pullis has now been sussed out by a lot of teams.
They just have to employ 2 quick wingers and hey presto, Tony's defensive plans have been undone.
As fans, we have been screaming for 2 proper full backs.
This has fell on closed ears.
Do you think Pulis cares what the fans wants.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 20, 2015, 11:58:01 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on December 20, 2015, 11:55:35 AM
Do you think Pulis cares what the fans wants.
Nope.
We can now abbreviate his plan for every game.
PTB....Park The Bus.
HAH...Hoof And Hope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on December 20, 2015, 12:04:21 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on December 20, 2015, 11:58:01 AM
Nope.
We can now abbreviate his plan for every game.
PTB....Park The Bus.
HAH...Hoof And Hope.
For Christ sake DB, first defeat in 5 and the guns are out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 20, 2015, 12:09:42 PM
I can't stand the bloke, first time i can say that about an Albion manager for years and years.

The tactics used against teams like Bournemouth, Palace and Watford is a disgrace.

Keep us up this year then bye bye Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on December 20, 2015, 12:12:42 PM
The only chance TP will go is if we ever get into the bottom 4.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 20, 2015, 12:18:27 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on December 20, 2015, 12:04:21 PM
For Christ sake DB, first defeat in 5 and the guns are out.
Yes, but his game plan is still predictable.
He has to have a plan B somewhere, sometime.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on December 20, 2015, 02:06:59 PM
I am not Pulis biggest fan but can acknowledge the last six weeks to two months we have improved so not going to demand he gets sacked because of yesterday.

We are never going to be an all out attacking or good footballing side, but recently i was quite enjoying how we played, we were more positive and i came away from games having enjoyed it.

Yesterday was a step back and thats down to Pulis and the players. As soon as you saw a midfield of Gardner, Fletcher, Evans and Mclean you knew we werent creating much, that sort of lineup you may expect away against the top teams, Pulis i blame for that, illness, bugs, etc you have players in the squad who can play but he chose not to pick them. I will give him credit for reorganising at half time and for 20 minutes, we looked a threat.

You could tell after 2 minutes what sort of game it was going to be, Bournemouth moved the ball quickly, was nice to watch, but they didnt threaten that much, i think if they had some of the long term injured available - Callum Wilson, Max Gradel, etc instead of Glenn Murray they would of battered us. All their players looked so comfortable on the ball, i think its quite worrying when you see some of ours treat it like a hot potato, they are top flight footballers, earning good money, plenty played higher up and at times it seems an achievement that they can pass 5 yards, thats not Pulis fault.

I think any teams who go at us with pace and move the ball quick - Everton, Palace, Leicester and yesterday showed thats how to beat us. The bigger boys - Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool were very pedestrian and thats fine, we can break up the play, when teams move the ball quick, it dont matter who players in midfield, they run rings round us. We have to get new centre midfielders (and wide players) in January to offer alternatives, Yacob, Fletcher, Gardner and Evans are fine for breaking up play but other than that they are limited.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 20, 2015, 03:44:50 PM
Watford just beat Liverpool 3 nil at home. They had 34 percent possession.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2015, 03:52:15 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 20, 2015, 03:44:50 PM
Watford just beat Liverpool 3 nil at home. They had 34 percent possession.

They also had two up front, at home against the mighty Liverpool.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on December 20, 2015, 04:10:38 PM
I wonder what masterstroke he will pull off now that he has Berahino, Bob the builder and sick note as potential front men.
Or will he play another centre half up there?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on December 20, 2015, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on December 20, 2015, 04:10:38 PM
I wonder what masterstroke he will pull off now that he has Berahino, Bob the builder and sick note as potential front men.
Or will he play another centre half up there?

It will be Lambert, hit him with long ball and hold it as long as possible so the rest of the team have a breather.

I doubt Berahino will start another game for us, not as a lone striker anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 20, 2015, 04:56:28 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 20, 2015, 03:44:50 PM
Watford just beat Liverpool 3 nil at home. They had 34 percent possession.

People keep qouting this rubbish about other teams having less than 50% possession in games but winning them, as if its some sort of justification for the way Pulis sets us up.
For Christ sake, there's a HUGE difference - we concentrate on playing with 1 up front, time-wasting, central midfielders out wide, long hoofballs etc etc etc.
I watched the Watford game v Liverpool. They were a threat all the way through, even on 34% possession. They wouldnt have been flattered if they had scored 5 or 6. It would take us 3 or 4 games to rattle up as many chances as Watford created.  Yesterdays first half performance was an affront to the game of Association Football.

We're just an appalling ugly relation, compared to the way Watford and Bournemouth set about their task of competing in this division.
So, lets forget this rubbish of justifying us having not much possession. It masks the appalling reality of how totally disgustingly  and embarassing we play the game currently.
Lose at Swansea, and there will be serious alarm bells ringing....in the boardroom as well as among the fans.
I dont want him gone in the summer - i want him gone by 1st Jan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on December 20, 2015, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on December 20, 2015, 04:56:28 PM
People keep qouting this rubbish about other teams having less than 50% possession in games but winning them, as if its some sort of justification for the way Pulis sets us up.
For Christ sake, there's a HUGE difference - we concentrate on playing with 1 up front, time-wasting, central midfielders out wide, long hoofballs etc etc etc.
I watched the Watford game v Liverpool. They were a threat all the way through, even on 34% possession. They wouldnt have been flattered if they had scored 5 or 6. It would take us 3 or 4 games to rattle up as many chances as Watford created.  Yesterdays first half performance was an affront to the game of Association Football.

We're just an appalling ugly relation, compared to the way Watford and Bournemouth set about their task of competing in this division.
So, lets forget this rubbish of justifying us having not much possession. It masks the appalling reality of how totally disgustingly  and embarassing we play the game currently.
Lose at Swansea, and there will be serious alarm bells ringing....in the boardroom as well as among the fans.
I dont want him gone in the summer - i want him gone by 1st Jan.
That aye going to happen chap.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 20, 2015, 05:19:14 PM
Dont be too certain, chap
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on December 20, 2015, 05:23:51 PM
20 points at the half way mark, don't think he will be going anywhere, chap ;)

P.S I didn't want him as manager and wont shed any tears if he goes but cant see that happening when this above all other seasons is the one that we must stay in the Prem and he is the bloke to keep us here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 20, 2015, 05:27:12 PM
PS ( Chap )  ;) as i say, lets see what happens in the next 2 games. 2 bad results, and we'll be looking at a totally different scenario.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 20, 2015, 05:29:30 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on December 20, 2015, 05:23:51 PM
20 points at the half way mark, don't think he will be going anywhere, chap ;)

P.S I didn't want him as manager and wont shed any tears if he goes but cant see that happening when this above all other seasons is the one that we must stay in the Prem and he is the bloke to keep us here.

I agree.  Ironically there is far more chance of him leaving if we are doing well and are safe!   If we are struggling to stay up then there's nobody better at grinding out the points which will ensure that we do survive.   It would be a hell of a risk to get someone else in as a result of our playing style.  Try to change that overnight  under a new manager and the risk of getting relegated massively increases.

The summer would be the time for a wholesale change, once our survival is confirmed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on December 20, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
Just checked the stats for yesterdays games and we had the lowest shots on target in The Premier League. 2 shots, and we were at home :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/premier-league/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on December 20, 2015, 05:41:45 PM
I can just about cope with him for the rest of the season. I'd like him to go Christmas Day, what a present that would be. He cannot stay beyond this season. He'll bore the fans to death.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on December 20, 2015, 05:49:21 PM
Swansea.

20 shots. 2 on target. 0 goals.

73% possession.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 20, 2015, 05:51:28 PM
Pulis' style is cynical.

On a good day, under Pulis we play like we did under Roy - solid and with a counter attacking threat, however on on the average and poor days it's some of the worst style of football I've ever seen because of the lack of attacking intent. I remember the Wimbledon and Sheff Utds who long balled their way through the leagues and who were rough and ugly but attacked with a direct style which was still absorbing.

We're almost the worst style of football at times because we have so little attacking intent. However, we still scrape results on average and poor days so Pulis keeps a job.

How long we as fans have to suffer this frequently turgid and always cynical football  depends on how fans react longer term because as an owner why would you sack Pulis when he delivers results?

The earliest he will leave is next summer.  I've said before he'd leave an improved squad behind him if he went tomorrow. Imagine a more progressive (braver) manager taking over a well drilled organised team and adding a few attacking players, we'd be enjoying watching it again.

See you all next May then after football hibernation zzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on December 20, 2015, 06:01:48 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on December 20, 2015, 05:49:21 PM
Swansea.

20 shots. 2 on target. 0 goals.

73% possession.


True but they didnt lose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 20, 2015, 06:01:59 PM
But every time we play an attacking side we concede 3 goals. He'll see out his contract at the very least. Get used to it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on December 20, 2015, 06:39:23 PM
Quote from: gerry m on December 20, 2015, 06:01:48 PM

True but they didnt lose.

Yet they're in the bottom 3 but it doesn't matter because they play nice football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2015, 06:56:49 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on December 20, 2015, 06:39:23 PM
Yet they're in the bottom 3 but it doesn't matter because they play nice football.

Who says it doesn't matter, or do you simply surmise those who want better quality football would be happy to be relegated.

I can't see why we can't finish at least mid table playing a more attractive style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on December 20, 2015, 06:57:40 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on December 20, 2015, 06:39:23 PM
Yet they're in the bottom 3 but it doesn't matter because they play nice football.

Id rather see good football than what we are seeing now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stubba on December 20, 2015, 06:58:58 PM
Because we select a totally defensive formation at home to average opposition
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 20, 2015, 07:12:54 PM
Quote from: gerry m on December 20, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
Just checked the stats for yesterdays games and we had the lowest shots on target in The Premier League. 2 shots, and we were at home :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/premier-league/
I don't even remember seeing 2 shots on target or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 20, 2015, 07:17:05 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on December 20, 2015, 06:39:23 PM
Yet they're in the bottom 3 but it doesn't matter because they play nice football.

Every team in the league plays better football than us. We are drivel to watch and there are enough comments coming out in the media that show we are now the new Stoke. I heard the Bournemouth game being described as brain outwitting brawn. We are the dinasour thugs of the league, and the best we will manage is to stay up.

Remember if just one of Swanseas attempts had gone in we would only be 3 points clear of the bottom three with 3-4 of the teams below us arguably gathering momentum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 20, 2015, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on December 20, 2015, 07:12:54 PM
I don't even remember seeing 2 shots on target or not.

One goal and the shot from Rondon I think. That was it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 20, 2015, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 20, 2015, 06:01:59 PM
But every time we play an attacking side we concede 3 goals. He'll see out his contract at the very least. Get used to it.

Its impossible to get used to or sympathetic with our style. its just an abomination.
Get used to that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on December 21, 2015, 12:43:22 PM
What I really struggle with is our best performances (in terms of style) seem to come against the better teams, conversely when we play the "lesser" teams we play ultra conservative, cynical stuff!

the only logic i can find in this is TP is 5hit scared of losing to the "lesser" teams as they are our rivals in the "survival league".

well TP
1. Its not working!!! we have lost to most of the "lesser" teams.
2. Its freaking boring the pants off your supporters!
3. The results against the better teams show our players have the ability, if we only use it.

Stop being a bloody coward and have a go FFS. 

You present yourself as a forthright, dominant character,

I'm starting to believe you are in fact insecure and cowardly, you cannot take criticism (hence the ostracised players), You bottle making changes / decisions, (in selections and in game tactics). You surround yourself with compliant yes men.

You have to be involved in all elements of the club, when you are patently incapable of identifying and using talent. In fact your only successful recruits are players with established track records, you have not developed 1 player whilst at B71.

I have always said that you (and any other manager) deserve a full season before being judged. Thus far my old son it ain't looking good IMO, grow some and have a go PLEASE.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on December 21, 2015, 12:45:30 PM
Great post Albionic. Agree with everything you've said there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba1993dave on December 21, 2015, 01:08:39 PM
I think the best solution is to evaluate at the end of the season. We wont finish top ten under TP but we wont go down either. After the mess that JP made with rubbish appointments, Mel and Irvine, Burton, Day and so on. Solidarity was badly needed. I wont lie its pretty disappointing to see the likes of Watford and Bournemouth play better football. Considering we are a established PL club its puts us and the likes of Sunderland to shame.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 21, 2015, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: Albionic on December 21, 2015, 12:43:22 PM
What I really struggle with is our best performances (in terms of style) seem to come against the better teams, conversely when we play the "lesser" teams we play ultra conservative, cynical stuff!

the only logic i can find in this is TP is 5hit scared of losing to the "lesser" teams as they are our rivals in the "survival league".

well TP
1. Its not working!!! we have lost to most of the "lesser" teams.
2. Its freaking boring the pants off your supporters!
3. The results against the better teams show our players have the ability, if we only use it.

Stop being a bloody coward and have a go FFS. 

You present yourself as a forthright, dominant character,

I'm starting to believe you are in fact insecure and cowardly, you cannot take criticism (hence the ostracised players), You bottle making changes / decisions, (in selections and in game tactics). You surround yourself with compliant yes men.

You have to be involved in all elements of the club, when you are patently incapable of identifying and using talent. In fact your only successful recruits are players with established track records, you have not developed 1 player whilst at B71.

I have always said that you (and any other manager) deserve a full season before being judged. Thus far my old son it ain't looking good IMO, grow some and have a go PLEASE.

Yep same sentiments fir me - Pulis get braver !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on December 21, 2015, 02:03:36 PM
The tactics we adopt suit us well in getting results from the better teams
We can afford to sit back and soak up pressure. As an example at Liverpool it worked great having Gardner in the team and Evans in centre midfield
However, this is never going to work at home against weaker teams when it is down to us to set the pace and attack them. To me it was obvious as soon as the team was announced on Saturday that we would struggle. You cant play a centre half (good as he is) in central midfield at home and Gardner is not an outlet that is useful at home
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 21, 2015, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: Albionic on December 21, 2015, 12:43:22 PM
What I really struggle with is our best performances (in terms of style) seem to come against the better teams, conversely when we play the "lesser" teams we play ultra conservative, cynical stuff!

the only logic i can find in this is TP is 5hit scared of losing to the "lesser" teams as they are our rivals in the "survival league".

well TP
1. Its not working!!! we have lost to most of the "lesser" teams.
2. Its freaking boring the pants off your supporters!
3. The results against the better teams show our players have the ability, if we only use it.

Stop being a bloody coward and have a go FFS. 

You present yourself as a forthright, dominant character,

I'm starting to believe you are in fact insecure and cowardly, you cannot take criticism (hence the ostracised players), You bottle making changes / decisions, (in selections and in game tactics). You surround yourself with compliant yes men.

You have to be involved in all elements of the club, when you are patently incapable of identifying and using talent. In fact your only successful recruits are players with established track records, you have not developed 1 player whilst at B71.

I have always said that you (and any other manager) deserve a full season before being judged. Thus far my old son it ain't looking good IMO, grow some and have a go PLEASE.

It seems you know him personally are you his psychiatrist?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 21, 2015, 02:18:21 PM
Quote from: darbolina on December 21, 2015, 02:00:16 PM
Yep same sentiments fir me - Pulis get braver !
it won't happen though.
He is a one trick pony with a tried and tested method and as long as it is working everyone is happy. Apart, of course, from the poor souls paying to watch it, but let's face it they are no longer important.
To the powers that be 17th is success and how you get there, or the happiness of the customers, is of no consequence.
If we want survival, he is the man, no-one can debate that. If we want more and decide to go for a more attacking manager, then we have to accept that it could end in disaster. Personally, I would take the risk, as it is getting embarrassing the way we are perceived.
I said at the start of his reign that we had sold our souls to the devil and, whilst I admit there have been times where I have begun to come around (usually after a win, but then I'm fickle), the longer it goes on the deeper the damage will be. We will probably be an 'established' Premier League side though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on December 21, 2015, 04:54:32 PM
The only reason that the players are forced to play this way is because TP just dosnt rate them. Two games where he let them of the leash this season was at home to city and everton and they lost
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 21, 2015, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: paulosull on December 21, 2015, 04:54:32 PM
The only reason that the players are forced to play this way is because TP just dosnt rate them. Two games where he let them of the leash this season was at home to city and everton and they lost

I'm totally fine with being stoic and negative against Man City and even the likes of Spurs and Everton. But home to the bottom half we really should be able to have a proper go.

Playing as we do against Chelsea and Liverpool is one thing, but against Sunderland and Villa is another.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 22, 2015, 11:03:26 AM
Retain him until the summer, then we have to be looking for something more.

He will keep us up this season, but it will not be pretty in doing so. I am all for going with Gardner as an extra body in midfield when we are away at Anfield, but to see him in the starting line up at home to Bournemouth was a kick in the proverbials and you know exactly what is coming at that stage.

To play 11 men behind the ball soaking up pressure at home to Bournemouth is nothing short of embarrassing to be quite honest. It is certainly not the first or the last time we will do it at home to opposition we should be taking the game to either, I just cannot continue to watch this football week in week out. I pay £400 a season with a hope to be entertained. I could probably lump it if we were winning 1-0 every week and I saw some reward for the game plan, but the simple fact is we aren't. We have an abysmal home record and it will get no better until Pulis as we are now half way through the season and it is clear from Saturday that nothing has changed.

Square pegs and round holes is just laughable right now, on Saturday we had a centre back at right back, a left winger at left back, a centre back in midfield, a central midfielder on the right wing...it is beyond a joke.

We are now approaching January and the issue for Jeremy is does he back Pulis financially. Given the £8m spent and wasted on Chester who we will probably never know if he is any use or not because he has yet to play him in his correct position (save for the 10 minutes before half time against Everton, the game after Pulis had destroyed his confidence by sticking him at right back against Norwich), I would be loathed to trust him with it.

Extremely frustrated currently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 22, 2015, 05:15:45 PM
Tony is better than Mogadon for putting fans to sleep.
His style of set up and play just beggars belief against teams who we should be cruising over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on December 22, 2015, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on December 22, 2015, 05:15:45 PM
Tony is better than Mogadon for putting fans to sleep.
His style of set up and play just beggars belief against teams who we should be cruising over.
Bigger and better teams arent cruising over Bournemouth so why should we.We played with 10 men and could have gotten something so we did good,i guess that doesnt matter we should have spanked them 3 nill nonetheless
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 22, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on December 22, 2015, 05:15:45 PM
Tony is better than Mogadon for putting fans to sleep.
His style of set up and play just beggars belief against teams who we should be cruising over.
Just no such thing as cruising over in this league , not for even for the money clubs let alone us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 23, 2015, 09:44:02 AM
Quote from: Dexy on December 22, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
Just no such thing as cruising over in this league , not for even for the money clubs let alone us.
This is very true, it's the nature of the defeat that hurts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on December 23, 2015, 09:56:49 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on December 22, 2015, 05:15:45 PM
Tony is better than Mogadon for putting fans to sleep.
His style of set up and play just beggars belief against teams who we should be cruising over.
DB sorry chap but that is a saft statement, there is no such thing as a easy victory against any team in the Prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 23, 2015, 10:05:55 AM
Merry Christmas Mr Pulis.

May your Christmas be merry, your defenders tall and Scrooge like and your transfer window successful.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on December 23, 2015, 10:28:06 AM
Haven't been able to post for a while, so before the pro-Pulis camp accuse me of coming out of the woodwork for a whinge, I would first give Mr Pulis credit for making us more competitive against the better teams in the league, and finally being able to get us coming from behind to get results.

However, before the Bournemouth game I said it was a huge test for Mr Pulis because all of the expectation was on us to win the game. Forget Bournemouth's recent results, any team that wants to finish comfortably above the relegation zone should be winning this game.

Our approach to this game was nothing short of an embarrassment. I was appalled by what I saw. A newly promoted team came to our ground and made us look absolutely garbage. A team that cost about the same as our big lump up front gave us a footballing lesson, and if I was watching that game as a neutral I would have been mortified if Bournemouth hadn't won that game.

We cannot pass the ball. We are about as flexible as a table football team, two banks of four moving side to side regardless of whether we have the ball or not. We have about as much creativity and flair as Donald Trump's toupee. Bournemouth on the other hand were a joy to watch, and whether they survive or not will be over the moon with the direction their club is going.

I am just fed up with the negative, cynical rubbish we are watching week in week out, all in the name of making up the numbers in the greed league. Is it really worth it?

I felt encouraged by our recent form but Saturday proved once again that Pulis will never change and eventually revert to type. I will be celebrating when he leaves this club, he is dragging the name West Bromwich Albion into the anti-football gutter.

Pulis OUT.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 23, 2015, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on December 23, 2015, 10:28:06 AM
Haven't been able to post for a while, so before the pro-Pulis camp accuse me of coming out of the woodwork for a whinge, I would first give Mr Pulis credit for making us more competitive against the better teams in the league, and finally being able to get us coming from behind to get results.

However, before the Bournemouth game I said it was a huge test for Mr Pulis because all of the expectation was on us to win the game. Forget Bournemouth's recent results, any team that wants to finish comfortably above the relegation zone should be winning this game.

Our approach to this game was nothing short of an embarrassment. I was appalled by what I saw. A newly promoted team came to our ground and made us look absolutely garbage. A team that cost about the same as our big lump up front gave us a footballing lesson, and if I was watching that game as a neutral I would have been mortified if Bournemouth hadn't won that game.

We cannot pass the ball. We are about as flexible as a table football team, two banks of four moving side to side regardless of whether we have the ball or not. We have about as much creativity and flair as Donald Trump's toupee. Bournemouth on the other hand were a joy to watch, and whether they survive or not will be over the moon with the direction their club is going.

I am just fed up with the negative, cynical rubbish we are watching week in week out, all in the name of making up the numbers in the greed league. Is it really worth it?

I felt encouraged by our recent form but Saturday proved once again that Pulis will never change and eventually revert to type. I will be celebrating when he leaves this club, he is dragging the name West Bromwich Albion into the anti-football gutter.

Pulis OUT.


Totally agree. hes got to the end of the season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 23, 2015, 11:52:01 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on December 23, 2015, 10:28:06 AM
Haven't been able to post for a while, so before the pro-Pulis camp accuse me of coming out of the woodwork for a whinge, I would first give Mr Pulis credit for making us more competitive against the better teams in the league, and finally being able to get us coming from behind to get results.

However, before the Bournemouth game I said it was a huge test for Mr Pulis because all of the expectation was on us to win the game. Forget Bournemouth's recent results, any team that wants to finish comfortably above the relegation zone should be winning this game.

Our approach to this game was nothing short of an embarrassment. I was appalled by what I saw. A newly promoted team came to our ground and made us look absolutely garbage. A team that cost about the same as our big lump up front gave us a footballing lesson, and if I was watching that game as a neutral I would have been mortified if Bournemouth hadn't won that game.

We cannot pass the ball. We are about as flexible as a table football team, two banks of four moving side to side regardless of whether we have the ball or not. We have about as much creativity and flair as Donald Trump's toupee. Bournemouth on the other hand were a joy to watch, and whether they survive or not will be over the moon with the direction their club is going.

I am just fed up with the negative, cynical rubbish we are watching week in week out, all in the name of making up the numbers in the greed league. Is it really worth it?

I felt encouraged by our recent form but Saturday proved once again that Pulis will never change and eventually revert to type. I will be celebrating when he leaves this club, he is dragging the name West Bromwich Albion into the anti-football gutter.

Pulis OUT.
Haven't always agreed with you Lloydy in the past but you are bang on with this post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 23, 2015, 12:24:38 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on December 23, 2015, 10:28:06 AM
Haven't been able to post for a while, so before the pro-Pulis camp accuse me of coming out of the woodwork for a whinge, I would first give Mr Pulis credit for making us more competitive against the better teams in the league, and finally being able to get us coming from behind to get results.

However, before the Bournemouth game I said it was a huge test for Mr Pulis because all of the expectation was on us to win the game. Forget Bournemouth's recent results, any team that wants to finish comfortably above the relegation zone should be winning this game.

Our approach to this game was nothing short of an embarrassment. I was appalled by what I saw. A newly promoted team came to our ground and made us look absolutely garbage. A team that cost about the same as our big lump up front gave us a footballing lesson, and if I was watching that game as a neutral I would have been mortified if Bournemouth hadn't won that game.

We cannot pass the ball. We are about as flexible as a table football team, two banks of four moving side to side regardless of whether we have the ball or not. We have about as much creativity and flair as Donald Trump's toupee. Bournemouth on the other hand were a joy to watch, and whether they survive or not will be over the moon with the direction their club is going.

I am just fed up with the negative, cynical rubbish we are watching week in week out, all in the name of making up the numbers in the greed league. Is it really worth it?

I felt encouraged by our recent form but Saturday proved once again that Pulis will never change and eventually revert to type. I will be celebrating when he leaves this club, he is dragging the name West Bromwich Albion into the anti-football gutter.

Pulis OUT.

Top post Lloydy, couldn't agree more.

Pulis will keep us in this league which is all that matters to most. However there is no reason why this can't be done and entertain the fans at the same time. So many 'lesser' sides are showing how it can be done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 23, 2015, 12:29:33 PM
the footballers we had before Pulis took over were all capable of playing the game of football, dont give me it was the players he inherited. They are all brianwashed cloggers now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 23, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on December 23, 2015, 12:29:33 PM
the footballers we had before Pulis took over were all capable of playing the game of football, dont give me it was the players he inherited. They are all brianwashed cloggers now
While Pulis has his faults these players were poor 12 months ago and the 24 months before that under Clarke. Hitting it long from the back was happening long before Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 23, 2015, 03:04:09 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on December 23, 2015, 09:56:49 AM
DB sorry chap but that is a saft statement, there is no such thing as a easy victory against any team in the Prem.
I've seen two this season.
wba v man cty
palace v wba
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 23, 2015, 05:27:39 PM
Quote from: Dexy on December 23, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
While Pulis has his faults these players were poor 12 months ago and the 24 months before that under Clarke. Hitting it long from the back was happening long before Pulis.

Very true but only seems to have been picked up by some as another stick to beat Pulis with.

Same as the overall standard of passing, its been poor for a good few years, some of our players are lacking the ability to do the basics, thats both pre Pulis and again with Pulis.

You get what you get with Pulis which is why i'm not getting over-excited by any of it, the club needed someone to come in and go through it which is whats he doing, a bloke who knows the league instead of going round appointing those that would never be on the radars of other Premier League clubs.

I said at the time I didn't want Pulis but wanted someone like him, well we got him so be prepared to put up with him whilst Peace is in charge as he is ideal for him as we won't go down under him.

I'm reasonably happy with him, yes the football can be dross at times, not all of it by any means and some of the over reaction at times is embarrassing with those who "appear" to  be waiting for a bad result to come and say hello. May not be how it is but does seem that way at times.

The squad needs major overhauling still and I bet Pulis wants to move more than a couple on but when you have players not wanting to go out on loan and being happy to sit on their backsides picking up a wage rather than playing the game that gives them that wage then it shows the mentality of the modern day pro, £££££ and the difficult situation we have here waiting for them to finish their luxurious contracts so they can be moved on.

Yes, we will be close as we have done for the past few years, I don't understand how some think we won't be and are shocked that we are still within touching distance of the relegation zone, we have the overall backbone of the sides that have been down there for the past few years and don't have the finances to compete with those sides challenging for Europe on a regular basis.

This is it for us under Peace, as long as we stay in this league then the suits are happy, some of the fans aren't happy with just that, i'm one of them, i'd love us to go and challenge for something from time to time but chopping and changing coaches just doesn't work anymore especially when those you appoint are not experienced at any level that we are playing at.

Pulis is by no means ideal, he makes mistakes as do many many managers, he has signed players and not used them along with other coaches.

I agree with Lloydy about this league and just making up the numbers, is it worth it ??

For the clubs finances then yes, for us as fans not at all but where do we really stand in any of it these days ??

I am envious at times of fans of smaller clubs going to grounds like Accrington and Carlisle but I want the best for us before anyone comes the "go and watch them then !!". I just don't like the way this league has gone where for half of it the aim is 17th place.

I'm sure there's fans of other clubs (Villa, Newcastle, Sunderland, Swansea to come) who feel exactly the same about their clubs but we don't see that due to the emotional attachment we have.

Yeah Bournemouth fans are loving it at the moment, lets see how they are in 5 years time, just like Blackpool were and how we were at one time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 23, 2015, 06:50:13 PM
Great post above , balanced as ever .
I won't pretend things have been great this season and I know we have had some boring performances but what bothers me is we have played some good , decent football at times this season ...Norwich away , Villa away for two..dominated both games and as usual should have scored more than one goal.
Then we come to run of bad games many of our previous leaders would have failed at , Arsenal /West Ham / Spurs / Liverpool . Other than the first 45 mins at Upton Park we played pretty damn well and could be argued we should have had more points , i look back on those games and can't see all this so called dross/negative football others post about . Granted it isn't flowing but it isn't nearly as bad as some make out , we take advantage of set pieces.., so what I'm glad we do for once instead of being mugged on them.
I'm not a Pulis lover , sometimes we are crude but I find it sad after a good run we have a bad performance (yes Pulis like every other coach is human ) and several members on here show up after a month to slaughter him . I honestly wish I had a crystal ball to see a world where Dawson puts that ball in for 2-1 and we hold on for the win , wonder how many would have been on then ?
Like a lot of clubs the majority are happy if we win , style mainly counts when we don't do well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 23, 2015, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 23, 2015, 05:27:39 PM
Very true but only seems to have been picked up by some as another stick to beat Pulis with.

I will say I have been quite unhappy with the way we move the ball for a long time. Ever since Hodgson left, the players have wanted to copy the methods he used without understanding them properly, and now we have moved too far in the one direction.

Hodgson might have been quite defensive, but we also had a side that could play on the break, had pace and flair, and attacked with purpose. And when we got it forward, we tried to pen teams back - it didn't come straight back at us. Almost like Leicester are doing now.

Since he left the players think the success was based on sitting back, but it wasn't - not completely. And attempts to break this mentality (Mel) and play into it (Irvine) failed, so we've ended up with Pulis - the ultimate exponent of what the players seemed to want.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 23, 2015, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on December 23, 2015, 10:28:06 AM
Haven't been able to post for a while, so before the pro-Pulis camp accuse me of coming out of the woodwork for a whinge, I would first give Mr Pulis credit for making us more competitive against the better teams in the league, and finally being able to get us coming from behind to get results.

However, before the Bournemouth game I said it was a huge test for Mr Pulis because all of the expectation was on us to win the game. Forget Bournemouth's recent results, any team that wants to finish comfortably above the relegation zone should be winning this game.

Our approach to this game was nothing short of an embarrassment. I was appalled by what I saw. A newly promoted team came to our ground and made us look absolutely garbage. A team that cost about the same as our big lump up front gave us a footballing lesson, and if I was watching that game as a neutral I would have been mortified if Bournemouth hadn't won that game.

We cannot pass the ball. We are about as flexible as a table football team, two banks of four moving side to side regardless of whether we have the ball or not. We have about as much creativity and flair as Donald Trump's toupee. Bournemouth on the other hand were a joy to watch, and whether they survive or not will be over the moon with the direction their club is going.

I am just fed up with the negative, cynical rubbish we are watching week in week out, all in the name of making up the numbers in the greed league. Is it really worth it?

I felt encouraged by our recent form but Saturday proved once again that Pulis will never change and eventually revert to type. I will be celebrating when he leaves this club, he is dragging the name West Bromwich Albion into the anti-football gutter.

Pulis OUT.
I'm not keen on him and gave up my season ticket...but...even without guidance those players that started on sat should be enough to deal with Bournemouth.
Van gaal/mouriniho have made mistakes, but again if the players don't turn up, what hope does the boss have?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on December 24, 2015, 08:02:11 AM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on December 23, 2015, 10:41:13 PM
I'm not keen on him and gave up my season ticket...but...even without guidance those players that started on sat should be enough to deal with Bournemouth.
Van gaal/mouriniho have made mistakes, but again if the players don't turn up, what hope does the boss have?

In fairness to the players, by the sounds of it most of them were ill on Saturday and should not have been selected. Who's fault is that?

They also appeared to follow instructions from Mr Pulis - sit back, get ten behind the ball and surrender possession, hit long balls into channels when we win it back and try to gain a territorial advantage that way.

Saturday's loss was a combination of a poor team selection, poor tactics, poor substitutions and a poor refereeing decision for the penalty kick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 24, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on December 24, 2015, 08:02:11 AM
In fairness to the players, by the sounds of it most of them were ill on Saturday and should not have been selected. Who's fault is that?

They also appeared to follow instructions from Mr Pulis - sit back, get ten behind the ball and surrender possession, hit long balls into channels when we win it back and try to gain a territorial advantage that way.

Saturday's loss was a combination of a poor team selection, poor tactics, poor substitutions and a poor refereeing decision for the penalty kick.
In fairness i thought Pulis reacted well sending Sess on at half time when most would have suspected sitting behind the ball until 80 mins then going for it. Lambert too came on and got us further up the field although made a balls up for the penalty.
I was angry at first when i heard about the sickness issue but who could replace Fletcher , Morrison and the already missing Yacob ? I can also understand after a great run Pulis not wanting to change things too much , that said Fletcher looked miles off .
For all that went wrong we could and should have had something from that game , that for me says its not quite the meltdown under Pulis people make out .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on December 24, 2015, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: Dexy on December 24, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
In fairness i thought Pulis reacted well sending Sess on at half time when most would have suspected sitting behind the ball until 80 mins then going for it. Lambert too came on and got us further up the field although made a balls up for the penalty.
I was angry at first when i heard about the sickness issue but who could replace Fletcher , Morrison and the already missing Yacob ? I can also understand after a great run Pulis not wanting to change things too much , that said Fletcher looked miles off .
For all that went wrong we could and should have had something from that game , that for me says its not quite the meltdown under Pulis people make out .

Sess coming on was the correct decision I agree mate (having said that I would probably have opted for McManaman but at least one of our attacking players was brought on), but leaving Craig Gardner on that pitch was very poor.

For me we have plenty of options, centre of midfield is a concern in terms of depth but there are a number of players on the fringes that could be utilised and are ignored by Pulis, it will be interesting to see who plays over the festive period - another Sick Vic screening the back four experiment would be an absolute insult to those travelling to Swansea.

I agree with your final point we are far from meltdown, Pulis will keep us up, no doubt in my mind. Results aren't the issue with myself and a number of other supporters, it's the manner of performances and the way the team is set up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 24, 2015, 09:10:40 AM
Thats the point though and i suspect why Gardner stayed on with Morrison /Fletcher ill , Yacob away and make shift Evans having to go to left back . In fairness again Sess looks like a new player since returning to the side so i can see why he got put on instead of Callum Mc and indeed gave us fresh pace. You say a number of options but which of those could be shifted into the middle and without using Gardner ?
Take on what you say about style but i'd argue with anybody we played some good football in that recent run of tricky games and i hope we go back to that manner quickly. One thing that is clear is our squad is still a few quality players short in key areas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 24, 2015, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: Dexy on December 24, 2015, 09:10:40 AM
Thats the point though and i suspect why Gardner stayed on with Morrison /Fletcher ill , Yacob away and make shift Evans having to go to left back . In fairness again Sess looks like a new player since returning to the side so i can see why he got put on instead of Callum Mc and indeed gave us fresh pace. You say a number of options but which of those could be shifted into the middle and without using Gardner ?
Take on what you say about style but i'd argue with anybody we played some good football in that recent run of tricky games and i hope we go back to that manner quickly. One thing that is clear is our squad is still a few quality players short in key areas.

There were alternatives to Morrison who looked to be the one that was most out of sorts, he could have been replaced in the 10 role by Sess. McManaman could go to right wing. Gardner could then have been used to replace a tiring Fletcher. A lot of the problems with the squad are because Pulis simply won't use many of the players he has.

Ultimately my beef is not with the results which are okay but will are far from being sensational it is the overwhelming negativity of Pulis's approach. At some point we will get relegated this is almost inevitable we along with the vast majority of the clubs in the league do not have the resources to insulate ourselves from that threat.
If we are going to fall then I would rather go trying to play some football trying to win games rather than grinding out points.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 24, 2015, 10:59:18 AM
Don't the players have to take some responsibility for declaring themselves fit ?

Gardner played well at Liverpool so was justifiably picked for the game, yep he was poor along with others but still put some good balls in from set pieces. Not saying he should have stayed on but I can see why he was picked.

The centre of midfield has been poor for a few years and has suffered by previous head coaches sticking players in there who are better and more natural out wide and then sticking other more naturally central players out wide so all of them can be accused of playing players out of position.

I don't think Pulis has much faith in some of the squad, he sees them each day and like those before him picks the ones he does trust, his job is on the line at the end of the day, same as Irvine wouldn't pick Yacob for example. All managers do it.

Yep, he picks those who "word aard" as some like to say, working hard at a club in our financial constraints goes far, Leicester are top of the table through working hard, Bournemouth have just won 3 on the bounce working hard. Two clubs who's players would be poo-pooed by many on here. Huth, Vardy, Albrighton for example are three i've seen us linked with in the past and how many actually were positive about possible signings of them ? hardly any.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 24, 2015, 12:17:19 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 24, 2015, 10:59:18 AM
Don't the players have to take some responsibility for declaring themselves fit ?

Gardner played well at Liverpool so was justifiably picked for the game, yep he was poor along with others but still put some good balls in from set pieces. Not saying he should have stayed on but I can see why he was picked.

The centre of midfield has been poor for a few years and has suffered by previous head coaches sticking players in there who are better and more natural out wide and then sticking other more naturally central players out wide so all of them can be accused of playing players out of position.

I don't think Pulis has much faith in some of the squad, he sees them each day and like those before him picks the ones he does trust, his job is on the line at the end of the day, same as Irvine wouldn't pick Yacob for example. All managers do it.

Yep, he picks those who "word aard" as some like to say, working hard at a club in our financial constraints goes far, Leicester are top of the table through working hard, Bournemouth have just won 3 on the bounce working hard. Two clubs who's players would be poo-pooed by many on here. Huth, Vardy, Albrighton for example are three i've seen us linked with in the past and how many actually were positive about possible signings of them ? hardly any.

Some good points as ever. Yes players have a responsibility and it is to their credit they want to play but the coach with three players looking a bit green round the gills might see the bigger pitch and sit one of them out. I am not as Gardnerphobic as most on here and with a squad not blessed with lots of midfield options he has a role to play and we would better off playing a fit Gardner than a half fit Fletcher for instance.

My criticism of Pulis (actually he is not alone in this) is that he casts players aside a little too easily and then ties himself in knots to avoid playing them. The slightly worrying thing in this instance is that Pulis was instrumental  in bringing in some of the players that now form a bomb squad that is a little bit too large for a club of our resources.

Good point about fans poo-pooing potential signings. We were briefly linked with Dele Alli prior to his move to Spurs and we had the inevitable poster damning him as a "League 1 player" and a "cheap option" which showed a certain lack of insight.

As ever I entirely get the need for some stability but at the same time I don't accept there is no alternative to Pulisball. At the moment there isn't in any practical sense but I really do not want Pulisball to be the style template for this club for the next decade. 

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 24, 2015, 12:24:31 PM
I agree he casts players aside but again many do it and it does hinder their progress at times instead of helping it. The ones he has signed such as Chester I understand given the player was signed for a right back role and seemed perfectly happy coming here to have a go at a new position so not really sure why he has complained about lack of game time. McMananman should have figured more  no doubt.

I also agree there is an alternative to Pulisball but with the squad we have and he inherited overall it seems easier for him and them to play this way for now as some seem set in their ways and reluctant to change (as we saw when someone tried to change it), I do though think this club will be in a much better position on and off the pitch when Pulis moves on than it was when he arrived which is why for me I can put up with it for now and the football overall is not much worse than some we have seen over the past few years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 24, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
The squad does need a major overhaul but would you trust Pulis to do it? 11 players signed by him in just under 12 months. How many have really improved the starting 11? Fletcher arguably due to his influence and Evans. Any new manager coming in after Pulis will need another overhaul of the squad to remove the dross signed by him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on December 24, 2015, 02:27:50 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on December 24, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
The squad does need a major overhaul but would you trust Pulis to do it? 11 players signed by him in just under 12 months. How many have really improved the starting 11? Fletcher arguably due to his influence and Evans. Any new manager coming in after Pulis will need another overhaul of the squad to remove the dross signed by him.

Unfortunately we've had too many large overhauls recently yet our core is still largely the same as under Hodgson, which says something about our transfer policy since Ashworth left.

McClean, Chester, Evans, Fletcher, Lindegaard, McManaman, Gnabry, Rondon, Lambert...who's the tenth?

4 of those are regular starters which is good, and Gnabry is on loan so it's low risk seeing as it looks to not be working out.

You talk about removing dross but we still haven't managed to move Anichebe on, and given they barely get a look in, Gamboa and Pocognoli should really have gone too.

As I said above, our poor transfer policy long outlasts Pulis' tenure
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 24, 2015, 08:25:08 PM
The links below are for pages which show the number of shots and shots on target in the Premier League this season. It comes as no surprise to learn that we have the lowest number of shots of all 20 clubs - 145 in 17 games, an average of 8.53 shots per game. We've allowed 255 shots, with only 4 clubs having allowed more.

As far as shots on target are concerned, we've also has the fewest of those as well - 49 in 17 games, averaging 2.88 shots on target per game. Our opponents have had 81 shots on target. Only 6 clubs have allowed more shots on target than us.

Those who've been comparing our style of play to Leicester's might be interested to know that they've had 235 shots of which 87 have been on target.

Having so few shots and allowing so many by the opponents is not a sound approach for avoiding relegation in my view. It also shows that our fundamental negativity is doing little to prevent opponents having goalscoring opportunities, so I believe this indicates that Pulis's strategy is flawed and has little to commend it. It could also further be argued that a fair proportion of the points we've got this season is more in spite of Pulis's tactics rather than because of them.

Link: Footcharts - Shots in total (http://www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_shots)

Link: Footcharts - Shots on target (http://www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_shotsontarget)

Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 24, 2015, 08:45:06 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on December 24, 2015, 08:25:08 PM
The links below are for pages which show the number of shots and shots on target in the Premier League this season. It comes as no surprise to learn that we have the lowest number of shots of all 20 clubs - 145 in 17 games, an average of 8.53 shots per game. We've allowed 255 shots, with only 4 clubs having allowed more.

As far as shots on target are concerned, we've also has the fewest of those as well - 49 in 17 games, averaging 2.88 shots on target per game. Our opponents have had 81 shots on target. Only 6 clubs have allowed more shots on target than us.

Those who've been comparing our style of play to Leicester's might be interested to know that they've had 235 shots of which 87 have been on target.

Having so few shots and allowing so many by the opponents is not a sound approach for avoiding relegation in my view. It also shows that our fundamental negativity is doing little to prevent opponents having goalscoring opportunities, so I believe this indicates that Pulis's strategy is flawed and has little to commend it. It could also further be argued that a fair proportion of the points we've got this season is more in spite of Pulis's tactics rather than because of them.

Link: Footcharts - Shots in total (http://www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_shots)

Link: Footcharts - Shots on target (http://www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_shotsontarget)

Merry Christmas!


You think will go down ?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 24, 2015, 08:56:28 PM
I dont know how WorcsWBA is going to answer, but I am certain that we are being dragged into a relegation scrap, and will be involved in one for most of the remainder of the season. Ultimately, TP's know-how and experience in these battles will see us staying up, but isn't this really a terrible existence in todays football world ???  rubbish style, players out of position, only utilising 14 or 15 of the squad...and just a demoralising way of going about maintaining our Premiership status.
We could go about this a totally different way .....if the will was there. Problem is, it isn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 24, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on December 24, 2015, 08:45:06 PM
You think will go down ?.
Do you think having less than 3 shots on target per game on average is a sound basis for keeping us up?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 24, 2015, 09:32:43 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on December 24, 2015, 08:45:06 PM
You think will go down ?.

I hear much about Pulis laying the 'foundations' for us, do you think these are good signs for building 'foundations', a side who create very little and are not as defensively sound as some would like to make out?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 24, 2015, 11:20:33 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on December 24, 2015, 09:32:43 PM
I hear much about Pulis laying the 'foundations' for us, do you think these are good signs for building 'foundations', a side who create very little and are not as defensively sound as some would like to make out?
I don't personally think he's laying any foundations, surely after 5 yrs in the premiership before he arrived gave us that. we have a team that's capable of not getting points in 3/4 matches but also capable of going 3/4 unbeaten as proved. never understand why some think its unlikely or we have some sort of guarantee we wont get relegated because pulis is our manager.
my biggest gripe is the style he uses, its slow and mechanical with no pace or fluidity.
he's somehow now got a small pool of players to select a team from with players either frozen out or not good enough.(not all his fault)
we really aren't that much better off points wise than last season under a manager who hadn't got a chance (or clue)
he's got a tough task because this team needs major improvement now or certainly over the next 18 months, the January transfer window is usually a quiet one for us so it will be a big disappointment if we don't do some business and can see us in a relegation fight this year. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 25, 2015, 09:15:29 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on December 24, 2015, 09:32:43 PM
I hear much about Pulis laying the 'foundations' for us, do you think these are good signs for building 'foundations', a side who create very little and are not as defensively sound as some would like to make out?

Defensively yes hopefully a new manager would build on our non existent attacking play.

I think pulis guarantees survival naive or not I just think we never go long without picking up points and if it came to it for 5/6 games we could really shut up shop and grind out points, like Everton away last year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 25, 2015, 09:19:26 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on December 24, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
Do you think having less than 3 shots on target per game on average is a sound basis for keeping us up?

No I don't but look to our other strengths especially defence and attacking from corners and yes I do think will stay up.

After 17 games you can already say we are fighting to avoid one place along with about four teams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 25, 2015, 10:48:17 AM
We're not in a relegation battle and nor will we be. Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on December 25, 2015, 10:58:59 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 25, 2015, 10:48:17 AM
We're not in a relegation battle and nor will we be. Merry Christmas.


What's the betting we are come the end of the day on Jan 2
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 25, 2015, 11:07:21 AM
Quote from: PepeMel on December 25, 2015, 10:58:59 AM

What's the betting we are come the end of the day on Jan 2

Season ends in May though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 25, 2015, 02:09:04 PM
You can bet your bottom dollar we will be in a relegation fight at 4.55pm on Jan 2nd. As I said before, I expect us to stay up, but we will be in a scrap either in, or on the edges of, a relegation dogfight.
Don't us baggies have so much to look forward to theses days.
Merry Christmas my arse😀
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 25, 2015, 02:12:03 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on December 25, 2015, 02:09:04 PM
You can get your bottom dollar we will be in a relegation fight at 4.55pm on Jan 2nd. As I said before, I expect us to stay up, but we will be in a scrap either in, or on the edges of, a relegation dogfight.
Don't us baggies have so much to look forward to theses days.
Merry Christmas my arse😀

We will have 29 points by then mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 25, 2015, 02:16:32 PM
I'll read that joke out at our dinner table shortly. I'll say it came from a Christmas cracker.
We'll no more have 29 points by then than the man on the moon. 24 at best.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 25, 2015, 02:23:53 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on December 25, 2015, 02:16:32 PM
I'll read that joke out at our dinner table shortly. I'll say it came from a Christmas cracker.
We'll no more have 29 points by then than the man on the moon. 24 at best.

I'll bet on that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 26, 2015, 08:13:46 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on December 25, 2015, 09:19:26 AM
No I don't but look to our other strengths especially defence and attacking from corners and yes I do think will stay up.
The shots and shots on target counts will include those arising from corners. It's worth comparing the stats from the past 3 seasons to see where we've improved:

SeasonAverage shots in totalRankingAverage shots on targetRankingAverage shots allowed in totalRankingAverage shots allowed on targetRanking
2015-16  8.53202.882015.00154.7614
2014-15  10.82193.421714.32144.8916
2013-14  12.76123.821313.03134.4714

SeasonAverage goals scoredRankingAverage goals concededRanking
2015-16  1.00171.3511
2014-15  1.00161.3412
2013-141.13121.5515

The $64,000 question then, is the Pulis style of play both justified and worth enduring, based on these stats? Also, what are the signs of improvement to show that the money spent last summer has been well invested?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on December 26, 2015, 11:31:18 AM
Here's my 2 pennyworth - Pulis is a perfectly good manager, but right now he's more interested in his reputation (and probably his pension) than WBA; his "never been relegated" thing is irrelevant really.  The squad is based on a mixture of ageing steadies like Brunt and Morrison and nearly men from Man U.  It looks horribly like Bolton/Blackburn/Wigan when they started to think of themselves as established prem clubs who wouldn't go down.  Contrast with the energy of Watford/Bournemouth.  Our best hope is probably that Swansea and Sunderland turn out to be further down the implosion route than we are.

I hope I am proved wrong and that our ageing steadies and Man U nearly men have the pride and ability to pull us to safety, starting today.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 11:43:57 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on December 26, 2015, 08:13:46 AM
The shots and shots on target counts will include those arising from corners. It's worth comparing the stats from the past 3 seasons to see where we've improved:

SeasonAverage shots in totalRankingAverage shots on targetRankingAverage shots allowed in totalRankingAverage shots allowed on targetRanking
2015-16  8.53202.882015.00154.7614
2014-15  10.82193.421714.32144.8916
2013-14  12.76123.821313.03134.4714

SeasonAverage goals scoredRankingAverage goals concededRanking
2015-16  1.00171.3511
2014-15  1.00161.3412
2013-141.13121.5515

The $64,000 question then, is the Pulis style of play both justified and worth enduring, based on these stats? Also, what are the signs of improvement to show that the money spent last summer has been well invested?

The only comparison worth doing is points per game. Well researched post, but the bottom line is finishing position in the Premier League and points gained.

2013/14 17th 36 points 0.95 points per game
2014/15 13th 44 points 1.16 points per game; under Pulis: 27 points 1.42 points per game
2015/16 13th 20 points 1.17 points per game

Yes his methods are justified based on what has come before. From August 2013 to Pulis taking over we garnered 53 points at 0.92 points per game that's 57 matches. This is without looking at the appalling 2nd half to 2012/13. If I add that in the stat becomes 69 points from 76 games at 0.907 points per game. It's a miracle we're still IN the Premier League. People are seemingly quick to forget quite how bad we were for 2 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 26, 2015, 01:03:59 PM
We're still bad, mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 02:17:28 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 11:43:57 AM
The only comparison worth doing is points per game. Well researched post, but the bottom line is finishing position in the Premier League and points gained.

2013/14 17th 36 points 0.95 points per game
2014/15 13th 44 points 1.16 points per game; under Pulis: 27 points 1.42 points per game
2015/16 13th 20 points 1.17 points per game

Yes his methods are justified based on what has come before. From August 2013 to Pulis taking over we garnered 53 points at 0.92 points per game that's 57 matches. This is without looking at the appalling 2nd half to 2012/13. If I add that in the stat becomes 69 points from 76 games at 0.907 points per game. It's a miracle we're still IN the Premier League. People are seemingly quick to forget quite how bad we were for 2 years.

We rank around the 13th/14th biggest payroll in the PL and are similarly ranked for average home attendances.  If we finish any better than 13th/14th we are punching above our weight. That's around 42 points or 1.1 points per game.

With that ranking, wins against Arsenal and near away wins at Liverpool will be interspersed by poor results like Bournemouth at home. It goes with the territory.  If we were winning those games as well then we would be a top 8 side and we have absolutely no right to be anywhere near that.






Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 26, 2015, 03:09:02 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on December 25, 2015, 09:15:29 AM
Defensively yes hopefully a new manager would build on our non existent attacking play.

I think pulis guarantees survival naive or not I just think we never go long without picking up points and if it came to it for 5/6 games we could really shut up shop and grind out points, like Everton away last year.

We have shipped more goals at home than any other side. Defensively we look worse than last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on December 26, 2015, 03:26:47 PM
how stoke must be rubbing there hands today , tony who !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on December 26, 2015, 03:26:47 PM
how stoke must be rubbing there hands today , tony who !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How were they feeling after our game at the Brit? Man United hardly a scalp anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 26, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
The table doesn't lie. Stoke could be 6 points clear of us tonight. Could be at least 9 points clear of us at 5pm on Jan 2nd.
I'd take Mark Hughes over Tony Pulis every day of the week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on December 26, 2015, 04:19:41 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 03:29:07 PM
How were they feeling after our game at the Brit? Man United hardly a scalp anymore.
man city was , and thay had 2 sent of when we just about beat them .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 04:49:50 PM
Let him try and keep us up this season then get rid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 26, 2015, 05:03:20 PM
I've been pretty patient up to now but the way he's setting us up is absolutely dire. It's painful to think we have at least another 6 months of this attritional, cowardly football. The two (admittedly remote) hopes I have are
1) Pulis grows a pair and starts setting us up to attack teams more
2) we buy a couple of players who can open up teams and have pace in January

Both seem extremely  unlikely though.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:04:13 PM
Would have been nil nil if Foster was fit  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on December 26, 2015, 05:06:26 PM
It may sound odd but I think the issue with Pulis of late isn't the lack of attacking football, it's always been this bleak in front of goal.
The difference last season was that our defence was genuinely excellent at times and Pulis raked in a load of clean sheets. This meant at worst we'd often draw 0-0 but would also snatch 1-0's at times as we could always rely on the defence. This year we've been awful at keeping clean sheets. It started well enough but lately we've conceded far too many cheap goals. Couple that with our weak attack and it's not pretty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 05:07:08 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:04:13 PM
Would have been nil nil if Foster was fit  ;)

Of course.  Foster's never made an error has he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:07:28 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on December 26, 2015, 05:06:26 PM
It may sound odd but I think the issue with Pulis of late isn't the lack of attacking football, it's always been this bleak in front of goal.
The difference last season was that our defence was genuinely excellent at times and Pulis raked in a load of clean sheets. This meant at worst we'd often draw 0-0 but would also snatch 1-0's at times as we could always rely on the defence. This year we've been awful at keeping clean sheets. It started well enough but lately we've conceded far too many cheap goals. Couple that with our weak attack and it's not pretty.

Mostly down to Myhill no clean sheet in 9 now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 05:11:29 PM
Blaming Myhill is comical. Been one of our best performers this season. Pulis, and Pulis alone, should take total responsibilty for the complete shambles today. Starting Gardner, playing Evans at left back. To not start with at least one of Berahino, Mcmanaman or Sess was beyond negative. He's a footballing dinosaur. I wouldn't force my worst enemy to watch the football he produces.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 26, 2015, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:04:13 PM
Would have been nil nil if Foster was fit  ;)
We could have celebrated like Liverpool  :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on December 26, 2015, 05:13:14 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:07:28 PM
Mostly down to Myhill no clean sheet in 9 now.
I agree that Myhill cost us today, but Swansea were also dreadful. It's the previous few games where we've been poor defensively though, today was just one of many.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 05:15:06 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on December 26, 2015, 05:13:14 PM
I agree that Myhill cost us today, but Swansea were also dreadful. It's the previous few games where we've been poor defensively though, today was just one of many.

And we improved massively at the back when Evans went into the centre. Losing Yacob over the past few weeks has caused a few changes we could have done without.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 26, 2015, 05:18:11 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on December 26, 2015, 05:13:14 PM
I agree that Myhill cost us today, but Swansea were also dreadful. It's the previous few games where we've been poor defensively though, today was just one of many.

My hill might have let the goal in but you can't blame him for picking two attacking players - Morrison and lambert in the starting line up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2015, 05:19:49 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 25, 2015, 02:12:03 PM
We will have 29 points by then mate.
next guess. :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:25:32 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on December 26, 2015, 05:19:49 PM
next guess. :)

26? Predictions are there to be shot down. We'd have got a result today if not for the keeper.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 26, 2015, 05:26:47 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:25:32 PM
26? Predictions are there to be shot down. We'd have got a result today if not for the keeper.
.....our finishing was just as bad.Again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 26, 2015, 05:27:26 PM
I just beat my head with him I really do.

We make some good progress, a side that is well balanced, half decent to watch and we throw that manual in the bin and resort to the groundhog tactics that make his sides so detestable.

I don't want fancy free flowing football. I just want some ambition. I don't want to see a side littered with centre half and once paced midfielders who are only in the side because they work hard and offer defensive protection.

Get players into the right positions and pick a team which they look comfortable with.

Then set out like you actually want to win the game and are not just turning up to be a complete kill joy and playing for set pieces.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DutchBaggies on December 26, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
I used to live for the 10-15 games per season that I would travel over for.  That man is ruining our football club.  We are slowly becoming everything that I hated about Stoke yet about 10% as effective.  I will not pay to travel over for another game whilst Pulis remains in charge.  That's all I will say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: DutchBaggies on December 26, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
I used to live for the 10-15 games per season that I would travel over for.  That man is ruining our football club.  We are slowly becoming everything that I hated about Stoke yet about 10% as effective.  I will not pay to travel over for another game whilst Pulis remains in charge.  That's all I will say.

We're more a more effective Premier League side than Stoke were under him. Though we're not as good as his Crystal Palace side: bear in mind they were new to the division what does that say for what TP inherited here?

Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on December 26, 2015, 05:27:26 PM
I just beat my head with him I really do.

We make some good progress, a side that is well balanced, half decent to watch and we throw that manual in the bin and resort to the groundhog tactics that make his sides so detestable.

I don't want fancy free flowing football. I just want some ambition. I don't want to see a side littered with centre half and once paced midfielders who are only in the side because they work hard and offer defensive protection.

Get players into the right positions and pick a team which they look comfortable with.

Then set out like you actually want to win the game and are not just turning up to be a complete kill joy and playing for set pieces.

We have set up the same in every game, we just look better if teams come out at us. Hence good results against the big teams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 05:34:16 PM
Maybe the answer is a "Pulis protest".  Simply don't turn up for a home game.   If only 10,000 actually turned up then the message is very loud and very clear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on December 26, 2015, 05:36:27 PM
Is he still here?  Completely disillusioned with this club to the point that I would welcome relegation just to get rid. I know that's a bold statement but I have just lost all enthusiasm for the club under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on December 26, 2015, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:25:32 PM
26? Predictions are there to be shot down. We'd have got a result today if not for the keeper.
But we didn't
You can have all the ifs buts and maybes you want, but fact is we didn't get a result
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 05:38:07 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:33:13 PM
We're more a more effective Premier League side than Stoke were under him. Though we're not as good as his Crystal Palace side: bear in mind they were new to the division what does that say for what TP inherited here?

We have set up the same in every game, we just look better if teams come out at us. Hence good results against the big teams.

The Palace side had the vital ingredients of pace and width.  Exactly what is needed to counter attack if the approach is to build around a solid defence.  We don't have any pace of width (apart from flashes from McClean) and no proper full backs, which makes effective counter attacking impossible.

We rely totally on set pieces and clean sheets.  Appalling to watch and really can't be much fun to play in either.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on December 26, 2015, 05:36:27 PM
Is he still here?  Completely disillusioned with this club to the point that I would welcome relegation just to get rid. I know that's a bold statement but I have just lost all enthusiasm for the club under Pulis.

I would be happy with relegation just to get out of this league, nowt to do with Pulis. Hate the Prem and everything it stands for. We're just one of a numnber of clubs in the same boat chasing 17th each season and the ££££ it brings. Enjoyment, exciting football is not important anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 26, 2015, 05:39:11 PM
We have set up the same in every game, we just look better if teams come out at us. Hence good results against the big teams. - TheJacko2000


Yeah your right, we have one, ONE, ONE, ONE GAMEPLAN!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 26, 2015, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:33:13 PM
We're more a more effective Premier League side than Stoke were under him. Though we're not as good as his Crystal Palace side: bear in mind they were new to the division what does that say for what TP inherited here?

We have set up the same in every game, we just look better if teams come out at us. Hence good results against the big teams.

We punched Spurs and Arsenal as hard as they could punch us. The same applied at Liverpool.

There actually looked like something we could build on.

But then we threw it away against Bournemouth with a ridiculous side and then the same applied today.

Now we're back to the drawing board finding something that can work.

I have no problem losing - it is the manner in which we do it.

Monday against a struggling Newcastle - Sessegnon, McMannaman and Berahino all to start. Show some ambition that we're here to provide some form of entertainment to the fans and are actively looking to win.

But no doubt it'll be Lambert, Gardner some other slow, once paced, uninspiring choice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:40:12 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 05:34:16 PM
Maybe the answer is a "Pulis protest".  Simply don't turn up for a home game.   If only 10,000 actually turned up then the message is very loud and very clear.

Remember the Irvine protest when people were REALLY up in arms, 20 people tops turned up.

No one outside of a very vocal minority online is bothered about Pulis being at our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 26, 2015, 05:41:34 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on December 26, 2015, 05:06:26 PM
It may sound odd but I think the issue with Pulis of late isn't the lack of attacking football, it's always been this bleak in front of goal.
The difference last season was that our defence was genuinely excellent at times and Pulis raked in a load of clean sheets. This meant at worst we'd often draw 0-0 but would also snatch 1-0's at times as we could always rely on the defence. This year we've been awful at keeping clean sheets. It started well enough but lately we've conceded far too many cheap goals. Couple that with our weak attack and it's not pretty.

We miss Lescott IMO. He was a big part of our solid defence last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 26, 2015, 05:42:13 PM
Craig Dawson wing back. The end no further comment required.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on December 26, 2015, 05:42:22 PM
Has football moved on and the likes of TP has to get with the times or move on. Seems to me that teams are no longer worried about the opposition as they used to be and have a belief in their own ability not like the Albion under the dinosaur
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:42:56 PM
Quote from: Standaman on December 26, 2015, 05:42:13 PM
Craig Dawson wing back. The end no further comment required.

We didn't employ wing backs at any time during today's game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 05:43:23 PM
So today we pick just 2 attacking payers to start. We go 1-0 down after 8 minutes yet we waste 52 minutes before we finally bring on Berahino and Sess.  How were we going to claw back a goal with 9 defensive players on the pitch?  A complete waste of more than half the game when we played with both hands tied behind our backs.

A change of some playing personnel in January will only go so far.  It's the mindset from the top which simply has to change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 05:43:39 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on December 26, 2015, 05:41:34 PM
We miss Lescott IMO. He was a big part of our solid defence last season.

Really ? Pulis was slated for playing him at left back, wheres he playing now ? left back for the side rooted to the bottom.

Problem we have had defensively recently is Evans covering for others. He needs to be in the centre alongside McAuley until we replace McAuley.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 26, 2015, 05:44:04 PM
TP has turned the Albion into a dirty team which employs dirty tactics. He doesent represent me or the Albion I support.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 05:44:53 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on December 26, 2015, 05:44:04 PM
TP has turned the Albion into a dirty team which employs dirty tactics. He doesent represent me or the Albion I support.

or a team that no longer rolls over as we have done so often in the past.

Not sure we are a dirty side at all. McClean and Rondon had a couple of hot-headed moments thats all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 26, 2015, 05:46:01 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 05:38:23 PM
I would be happy with relegation just to get out of this league, nowt to do with Pulis. Hate the Prem and everything it stands for. We're just one of a numnber of clubs in the same boat chasing 17th each season and the ££££ it brings. Enjoyment, exciting football is not important anymore.
Yep, Pulis is just a symptom of the greatest league in the world. At some point soon they will stop even showing matches like today on MOTD. How many seconds of highlights will they show last?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 26, 2015, 05:47:06 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:42:56 PM
We didn't employ wing backs at any time during today's game.

Journos and employees of the club suggested we set up with Dawson and Brunt as wing backs with the three centre halves in the middle.

Then in the second half switched to a more traditional centre half with Evans in the centre, Brunt at left back and Olsson on the bench.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 26, 2015, 05:48:13 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 05:44:53 PM
or a team that no longer rolls over as we have done so often in the past.

Not sure we are a dirty side at all. McClean and Rondon had a couple of hot-headed moments thats all.

Time wasting, Hoofball, Long throws, cynical tackles, diving, negative football...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on December 26, 2015, 05:49:35 PM
Myhill needs to ride the pine now, what was he thinking?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:50:15 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on December 26, 2015, 05:47:06 PM
Journos and employees of the club suggested we set up with Dawson and Brunt as wing backs with the three centre halves in the middle.

Then in the second half switched to a more traditional centre half with Evans in the centre, Brunt at left back and Olsson on the bench.

Utter rubbish mate Evans played left back from minute 1 until Olsson came off. Dawson was right back throughout.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 26, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 05:43:39 PM
Really ? Pulis was slated for playing him at left back, wheres he playing now ? left back for the side rooted to the bottom.

Problem we have had defensively recently is Evans covering for others. He needs to be in the centre alongside McAuley until we replace McAuley.

Yes. For me we should be pairing Lescott with Evans now. Even with McAuley and Evans were were shipping goals. Our goals against at home is embarrassing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 05:51:27 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on December 26, 2015, 05:46:01 PM
Yep, Pulis is just a symptom of the greatest league in the world. At some point soon they will stop even showing matches like today on MOTD. How many seconds of highlights will they show last?

Jimmy Hill was radical when he brought in 3 points for a win.  Maybe the time has come to either make it 4 points for a win, or get rid of any points for a draw.  You have to win to earn any points, and you have to score to win.  Setting up for a draw goes out of the window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2015, 05:52:35 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 05:38:07 PM
The Palace side had the vital ingredients of pace and width.  Exactly what is needed to counter attack if the approach is to build around a solid defence.  We don't have any pace of width (apart from flashes from McClean) and no proper full backs, which makes effective counter attacking impossible.

We rely totally on set pieces and clean sheets.  Appalling to watch and really can't be much fun to play in either.
he sets us up to keep a clean sheet (failing big time)
plenty of set pieces today (didn't really trouble Swansea)
 this is his game plan but its flawed because we don't keep clean sheets so his set up goes out the window every game. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on December 26, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
Yes. For me we should be pairing Lescott with Evans now. Even with McAuley and Evans were were shipping goals. Our goals against at home is embarrassing.

Foster return will sort that out, Lescott is finished at this level.
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 05:51:27 PM
Jimmy Hill was radical when he brought in 3 points for a win.  Maybe the time has come to either make it 4 points for a win, or get rid of any points for a draw.  You have to win to earn any points, and you have to score to win.  Setting up for a draw goes out of the window.

A good idea that would see attacking play rewarded, but would always be lobbied against by sides that aren't in the top 4(6).

Quote from: caravanc58 on December 26, 2015, 05:52:35 PM
he sets us up to a clean sheet (failing big time)
plenty of set pieces today (didn't really trouble Swansea)
 this is his game plan but its flawed because we don't keep clean sheets so his set up goes out the window every game. 

Game plan was fine except for Myhill.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 05:58:06 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:53:45 PM
Foster return will sort that out, Lescott is finished at this level.
A good idea that would see attacking play rewarded, but would always be lobbied against by sides that aren't in the top 4(6).

Game plan was fine except for Myhill.

But at least they'd (we'd) all be in the same boat. The teams that win the most games finish higher.

Or retain a point for a draw but only if it is 2-2 or higher.  Nothing for a 0-0 or 1-1 draw.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 26, 2015, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:50:15 PM
Utter rubbish mate Evans played left back from minute 1 until Olsson came off. Dawson was right back throughout.
In which case Brunt played a deep left wing then, which he did. In defensive situations we effectively had a back 5. We only tried to attack in the second half once we had switched to a back four with Brunt left back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 06:02:51 PM
Quote from: frazzle on December 26, 2015, 05:58:35 PM
In which case Brunt played a deep left wing then, which he did. In defensive situations we effectively had a back 5. We only tried to attack in the second half once we had switched to a back four with Brunt left back.

We play a back 6 without the ball every week? I wonder what games you're all watching. That's why he's happy with centre backs at full back because he tucks them in and want the midfielders to drop into the fullback positions?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 26, 2015, 06:04:09 PM
Sorry at various points through today's commentary our formation was described as 3-5-1-1  but latter reverted to 4-4-2. Fair enough in a narrow midfield of Garner, Fletcher, Yacob,Brunt and Morrision obviously playing 2 Centre Backs at full back is the work of a tactical genius.

 Brazil it's just like watching Brazil.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2015, 06:10:28 PM
pulis is supposed to be the master at setting up a strong defensive team yet we haven't kept a clean sheet in 8 matches, considering we score so few goals how will he keep us out the bottom three at this rate. or are we relying on 3 other teams being worse than us.
the premier league is called the best in the world by many but does it really deserve what we dish up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 26, 2015, 06:11:45 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 06:02:51 PM
We play a back 6 without the ball every week? I wonder what games you're all watching. That's why he's happy with centre backs at full back because he tucks them in and want the midfielders to drop into the fullback positions?

Errrr. Yes I know that. The question was whether we played a back 4 or a back 5. We pretty much sat in a back 5 with Gardner, Yacob and Fetcher covering with Morrison sat (half a mile) behind Lambert.

I hadn't realised you were the tactics guru for the forum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on December 26, 2015, 06:16:29 PM
Dont we need to re set the poll now and watch the 50% of fickle fans (who are not at all fickle if you listen to them) swing back the other way now?  ;)

In all seriousness I've given up posting on here the last 6 weeks or so as the whole thing is so boringly predictable I honestly dont know why people expect anything different.

Phase 1.
We play god awful woeful football for 6 weeks and take 8 points in 6 games with a couple of set pieces and the general consensus is it isn't pretty but its effective. Also expect to see plenty of comments that imply directly or indirectly that we couldn't possibly stay up without Pulis. Mowbrays name will also crop up in a sneery way.

Phase 2
We play 'ok' for a couple of games which is then vastly overated as a really god performance when in fact it probably shows the bare minimum attacking intent but as a group we are so shocked to see more than 2 players in the opposition half that it actually resembles a decent performance. Throw in 1 more pretty decent performance at a high tempo and commited performance but again sorely lacking on real quality. Sections cant wait to gloat about how anyone with a different opinion to them was an idiot, they knew he just needed time etc etc. This is what happens when Pulis is given time, and this will be the start of a new improved Albion (at this stage it's vital you ignore the past 3/6/9/12 months and just focus on the last 3/4 games). Poll is reset

Phase 3
We turn to absolute pooh, playing football that would make Sam Allerdyce turn his nose up in disgust at the 'tactics' (is 10 men behind the ball and hoping for a corner/mistake considered a tactic these days?) on display. General mood is one of depression and talk of relegation returns. The only positive thing Pulis brings is 'guaranteed' survival but if he cant even secure that then we may as well throw the towel in now such is the god awful experience of actually having to watch us play. In truth theres little difference from phase 1 here, apart from we dont score from a corner or the oppo make a mistake. 2 weeks later we beat a mid table side 1-0 and return to phase 1.

As per my post history I'm not a fan of Pulis and think he is an absolute abomination of a manager. I wouldn't say I'm anti Pulis as I dont want the guy to fail and would never want a Albion side to lose no matter who was in charge. However whilst my lov for the club hasn't died my interest in us has completely. We are a side who have 0% interest in any sort of performance so why bother doing anything else other than check the result at 4.45pm. People say results are all that matters but if true then why would anybody go to the games?

I lived in Brighton, now Manchester and have always followed us from afar. Season ticket home and away for 5 years but now go semi regularly when work permits. I was offered a ticket for the Newcastle game and for the first time in my entire life have turned out down when I could of gone. I justified this by reasoning I went to Liverpool and will also be doing Everton and Newcastle away in Jan/Feb. Things are so bad I now verge on looking for reasons to justify not going to myself and consider the experience a chore that has to be done because I'm a fan and thats what fans do and what I've been doing for 25 years.

The reason for this is solely down to Pulis, and as much as I would love to being proved wrong I really dont understand why anyone can think it ever will. His 12 months here is probably enough to suggest it wont, let alone the previous 15 years of his managerial career.

As I say I rarely post on this thread now as you will always have 25% who fully support him, 25% who cant stand his football and 50% and flip from side to side depending on the latest result. Pulis will be here until he falls out with Peace for not giving him £50m to spend, or those 50% of 'floating' fans gradually move permanently towards the 'anti' Pulis side ala Stoke and Peace is pretty much left with no choice. The sooner either happens the better and I can get back to looking forward to watching us again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 26, 2015, 06:19:43 PM
Brilliant, brilliant post. I'm with you 100%.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on December 26, 2015, 06:22:34 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on December 26, 2015, 06:16:29 PM
Dont we need to re set the poll now and watch the 50% of fickle fans (who are not at all fickle if you listen to them) swing back the other way now?  ;)

In all seriousness I've given up posting on here the last 6 weeks or so as the whole thing is so boringly predictable I honestly dont know why people expect anything different.

Phase 1.
We play god awful woeful football for 6 weeks and take 8 points in 6 games with a couple of set pieces and the general consensus is it isn't pretty but its effective. Also expect to see plenty of comments that imply directly or indirectly that we couldn't possibly stay up without Pulis. Mowbrays name will also crop up in a sneery way.

Phase 2
We play 'ok' for a couple of games which is then vastly overated as a really god performance when in fact it probably shows the bare minimum attacking intent but as a group we are so shocked to see more than 2 players in the opposition half that it actually resembles a decent performance. Throw in 1 more pretty decent performance at a high tempo and commited performance but again sorely lacking on real quality. Sections cant wait to gloat about how anyone with a different opinion to them was an idiot, they knew he just needed time etc etc. This is what happens when Pulis is given time, and this will be the start of a new improved Albion (at this stage it's vital you ignore the past 3/6/9/12 months and just focus on the last 3/4 games). Poll is reset

Phase 3
We turn to absolute pooh, playing football that would make Sam Allerdyce turn his nose up in disgust at the 'tactics' (is 10 men behind the ball and hoping for a corner/mistake considered a tactic these days?) on display. General mood is one of depression and talk of relegation returns. The only positive thing Pulis brings is 'guaranteed' survival but if he cant even secure that then we may as well throw the towel in now such is the god awful experience of actually having to watch us play. In truth theres little difference from phase 1 here, apart from we dont score from a corner or the oppo make a mistake. 2 weeks later we beat a mid table side 1-0 and return to phase 1.

As per my post history I'm not a fan of Pulis and think he is an absolute abomination of a manager. I wouldn't say I'm anti Pulis as I dont want the guy to fail and would never want a Albion side to lose no matter who was in charge. However whilst my lov for the club hasn't died my interest in us has completely. We are a side who have 0% interest in any sort of performance so why bother doing anything else other than check the result at 4.45pm. People say results are all that matters but if true then why would anybody go to the games?

I lived in Brighton, now Manchester and have always followed us from afar. Season ticket home and away for 5 years but now go semi regularly when work permits. I was offered a ticket for the Newcastle game and for the first time in my entire life have turned out down when I could of gone. I justified this by reasoning I went to Liverpool and will also be doing Everton and Newcastle away in Jan/Feb. Things are so bad I now verge on looking for reasons to justify not going to myself and consider the experience a chore that has to be done because I'm a fan and thats what fans do and what I've been doing for 25 years.

The reason for this is solely down to Pulis, and as much as I would love to being proved wrong I really dont understand why anyone can think it ever will. His 12 months here is probably enough to suggest it wont, let alone the previous 15 years of his managerial career.

As I say I rarely post on this thread now as you will always have 25% who fully support him, 25% who cant stand his football and 50% and flip from side to side depending on the latest result. Pulis will be here until he falls out with Peace for not giving him £50m to spend, or those 50% of 'floating' fans gradually move permanently towards the 'anti' Pulis side ala Stoke and Peace is pretty much left with no choice. The sooner either happens the better and I can get back to looking forward to watching us again.

I feel your pain brother.

Great post and sums up how i feel. I returned my ticket for todays game after last week. I cant justify soending £100+ to watch that pooh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 06:24:14 PM
Absolute joke of a post which could easily be reversed for the Pulis supporters. AGAIN I fail to understand why Pulis would put anyone off that Irvine didn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 06:26:33 PM
Not sure where I stand in your percentages as I don't fully support him as he has made and will make mistakes. I also don't swing from side to side as a fickle fan.

I'm in the "I think he's not doing as bad as some make out but could do better but also understand its not an easy job given the ageing squad he inherited and that its hard to move players on who are not interesting other clubs and are on nice wages and decent length contracts and is also ideal for the Chairman who is happy with just staying in the league and has no interest in whether the fans are happy with the football or not"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 26, 2015, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 05:25:32 PM
26? Predictions are there to be shot down. We'd have got a result today if not for the keeper.
You're deluded. I used to enjoy reading your posts, but its gone beyond a joke at our club now. YOu are one of the drum-beaters who have maintained that we wont be relegated under our hero Tony. Look at the table tonight... and this is before Newcastle's game with Everton is finished.
We are smack bang in the middle of a relegation scrap. The Pulis defenders on here will say " but we wont be relegated". Yes, i actually agree, we won't, His experience will keep us up.
But we're sh1te. Its getting worse. Todats starting X1 was a total disgrace.

Tony, if perchance you venture onto this forum, or maybe one of your minionjs does, or even a budyy of yours..............for f**k sake, just leave us, will you. We are a proud club, with a proud history. We dont need or want the philosophy of yours at our club anymore.
Just do one now, and take you thug-like baseball cap, your backroon team, your negativity, and your general allround ant-football attitude with you.
PLEASE.
Tomorrow.
We will manage fine without you v Newcastle. In fact, i'd fancy our chances a hell of a lot more if you just fecked off immediately.
Be gone, you football genuis, you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 06:28:49 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on December 26, 2015, 06:26:56 PM
You're deluded. I used to enjoy reading your posts, but its gone beyond a joke at our club now. YOu are one of the drum-beaters who have maintained that we wont be relegated under our hero Tony. Look at the table tonight... and this is before Newcastle's game with Everton is finished.
We are smack bang in the middle of a relegation scrap. The Pulis defenders on here will say " but we wont be relegated". Yes, i actually agree, we won't, His experience will keep us up.
But we're sh1te. Its getting worse. Todats starting X1 was a total disgrace.

Tony, if perchance you venture onto this forum, or maybe one of your minionjs does, or even a budyy of yours..............for f**k sake, just leave us, will you. We are a proud club, with a proud history. We dont need or want the philosophy of yours at our club anymore.
Just do one now, and take you thug-like baseball cap, your backroon team, your negativity, and your general allround ant-football attitude with you.
PLEASE.
Tomorrow.
We will manage fine without you v Newcastle. In fact, i'd fancy our chances a hell of a lot more if you just fecked off immediately.
Be gone, you football genuis, you.

I seriously fail to understand how anyone can have expected us not to be in a relgation scrap
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 26, 2015, 06:34:15 PM
I have voted Anti Pulis every time this daft poll has been reset. I honestly cant see how you could vote anything else. We play so sh*t. No other way around it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 26, 2015, 06:37:11 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 06:28:49 PM
I seriously fail to understand how anyone can have expected us not to be in a relgation scrap
But that is exact;ly what angers those of use who cant abide Pulis, and what he stands for.
The fans who beieve in Pulis and his philosophy were persuading us constantly that Pulis has never been relegated, that we'll be fine, safe, that we'll be somewhere between 11th and 15th.

What rubbish. We're on a downward curve. Pulis is a disgrace of a manager. We have a few beautiful footballers at our club - Brunty, Morrison, Sessegnon, McMenamin...   all being stifled.
And then when we lose, its alwasy someone else's fault except our Tone... today is Myhills, the last days it was McClean.
FFS, it all starts with our Tone and his footballing "philosophy".
Astle1968''s post previously should be pinned to the managers door at the training ground tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 26, 2015, 06:37:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 06:24:14 PM
Absolute joke of a post which could easily be reversed for the Pulis supporters. AGAIN I fail to understand why Pulis would put anyone off that Irvine didn't.

You are becoming a joke with your arrogant dismissal of a view that isnt yours
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 06:38:41 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on December 26, 2015, 06:37:11 PM
But that is exact;ly what angers those of use who cant abide Pulis, and what he stands for.
The fans who beieve in Pulis and his philosophy were persuading us constantly that Pulis has never been relegated, that we'll be fine, safe, that we'll be somewhere between 11th and 15th.

What rubbish. We're on a downward curve. Pulis is a disgrace of a manager. We have a few beautiful footballers at our club - Brunty, Morrison, Sessegnon, McMenamin...   all being stifled.
And then when we lose, its alwasy someone else's fault except our Tone... today is Myhills, the last days it was McClean.
FFS, it all starts with our Tone and his footballing "philosophy".
Astle1968''s post previously should be pinned to the managers door at the training ground tomorrow morning.

Or infact the reality is it's McClean and Myhill's fault??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 26, 2015, 06:40:37 PM
Pulis is a dinosaur and his tactics are ineffective against the quality of the premier league these days.

high pressing and quick effective counter attacking football is ow you win matches in this league, and we need a manager that will bring that.

No Pulis does not equal relegation, although an incorrect appointment will.

Do you take that risk? I wouldn't at this stage, but at the end of the season i would.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 06:42:56 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on December 26, 2015, 06:40:37 PM
Pulis is a dinosaur and his tactics are ineffective against the quality of the premier league these days.

high pressing and quick effective counter attacking football is ow you win matches in this league, and we need a manager that will bring that.

No Pulis does not equal relegation, although an incorrect appointment will.

Do you take that risk? I wouldn't at this stage, but at the end of the season i would.

Worked well for Klopp and Wenger against us didn't it? What's the saying? There's more than one way to skin a cat...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 06:43:31 PM
Does anyone think Palace or Stoke are gutted he didn't stay?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 26, 2015, 06:43:38 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 06:38:41 PM
Or infact the reality is it's McClean and Myhill's fault??
Indeed. You are so right.
How could i have got that wrong.
There attaches absolutely no blame to Mr Tony Pulis for the results of the last 2 games.
Please forgive us for our ignornace in these matters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 06:45:36 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on December 26, 2015, 06:37:11 PM
But that is exact;ly what angers those of use who cant abide Pulis, and what he stands for.
The fans who beieve in Pulis and his philosophy were persuading us constantly that Pulis has never been relegated, that we'll be fine, safe, that we'll be somewhere between 11th and 15th.

What rubbish. We're on a downward curve. Pulis is a disgrace of a manager. We have a few beautiful footballers at our club - Brunty, Morrison, Sessegnon, McMenamin...   all being stifled.
And then when we lose, its alwasy someone else's fault except our Tone... today is Myhills, the last days it was McClean.
FFS, it all starts with our Tone and his footballing "philosophy".
Astle1968''s post previously should be pinned to the managers door at the training ground tomorrow morning.

So you expect a few years of dross, mismanagement to be turned around in a short space of time ?

How do you expect to get players out of the club when there are only 2 transfer windows a season and no fecker wants them ?

It has to be done bit by bit so how do you expect major change in a short space of time. His philosophy was well known before he came. Its not great no but its also not as bad as some make out, its inbetween and at times goes closer to one or the other.

These beautiful footballers have been part of it, too inconsistent for too long. Brunt is much better now at left back than he was ambling around the centre of midfield. Morrison has a decent couple of games then its anonymous time again. Sess is the same and McManaman is an enigma, courted by many at Wigan yet none were prepared to take a chance.

We've been on a downward curve since Roy left, difference is this time its someone who knows the league so not it ain't pretty and won't be but I bet you when he goes he will have left us in a better state throughout the club than when he came.

When we lose its not down to one person whether thats Pulis, Myhill, McClean or commonly Gardner.

You can post any "opinion" anywhere as thats all it is, an "opinion". We all have them and they all differ. Who's to say which is right or which is wrong ??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: matt_wba912 on December 26, 2015, 06:46:31 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 06:26:33 PM
Not sure where I stand in your percentages as I don't fully support him as he has made and will make mistakes. I also don't swing from side to side as a fickle fan.

I'm in the "I think he's not doing as bad as some make out but could do better but also understand its not an easy job given the ageing squad he inherited and that its hard to move players on who are not interesting other clubs and are on nice wages and decent length contracts and is also ideal for the Chairman who is happy with just staying in the league and has no interest in whether the fans are happy with the football or not"

My position from the start has always been that I don't like him as a manager or want him at the club but accept that he will do the job that JP and those in charge want (i.e. stay up each season even if only by 1pt).  Having had a series of managers without any real experience as number 1s it was good to see us going for someone with a track record but his style of play and his philosophy is awful.  I simply don't accept that the way he sets us up is the best way to reach safety, win enough games and we stay up, to win we need to score goals and keep them out.  Tony seems to only focus on the later and as others have mentioned we're not doing very well at that either. 

When we see the PL being shaken up by teams like Palace, Leicester and to some extent the likes of Watford and to a lesser degree Stoke with attacking football combined with good defending it upsetting to see us left behind clinging to a style of play that most left behind a decade ago and approaching every opponent with a mindset that borders on fear of failure.  I dont think Pullis is entirely to blame for this we have been rotting for a couple of seasons but I fear for what will happen over time with his negative philosophy and awful approach and selection criteria in the transfer market

when you think that when Roy left we we're perfectly placed to not just join but lead that group of clubs (place/leicester etc).  We regularly pulled rabbits out the hat when it came to unknown foreigners who land well in the PL and we had a balanced style that kept teams out and hit them fast on the break.  since then we have not just stayed still but actively gone backwards, letting others pick up the model and move past us. Pullis isn't to blame for that but he won't change it either, we won't get any better under him and the best we can hope for is we don't get worse
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on December 26, 2015, 06:49:07 PM
I feel very frustrated after the last couple of games because the last month or two prior to that, i had started to see positives with the way we played (ie - positive) and we picked up points too!

I am not a Pulis fan and by end of October felt we were going backwards under him after he did a decent job last season, however recently we had attacked teams, not played free flowing football but i dont know many Albion fans who wanted that, they just wanted to see intent to win and thought maybe i had got it wrong about him.

Today we could of had a point, Myhill messed up but for all our huff and puff, there keeper didnt actually have a hard save to make. What frustrates me was as soon as you heard the team v Bournemouth, you knew it wasnt a positive approach, and again today, midfielders like Fletcher, Yacob, Gardner, Morriso, all work and try hard but offer very little quality (Morrison has his moments now and again) Our most creative player is our left back. I just dont get why we have gone to an out of form side and setup to contain, we have shown when we are positive in games, we can be a threat!

I know people keep saying Pulis had such a hard job to do, players need to be moved on, etc, etc  but the fact remains of the players he has signed, Evans has been a great success, Mclean decent, Rondon okay, Fletcher was what we needed last season so credit Pulis for that but this season its painful to watch him at times

However the core of the team is pretty much the same one that with the exception of the season with Clarke and Mel when we finished 17th, has got us to mid table positions, the players he has signed as of yet he doesnt feel can step into the positions of the players we supposedly should be replacing because he dont pick them!

Not only that but this time last year we had one of the hottest properties in the country in Berahino scoring goals regular, yes he may be a tool but playing a goalscorer out wide like he did when he came in to now occupying the role of sub when we really struggle to score goals is not right. Berahino went about forcing his move completely wrong but he is a young goalscorer who was probably very frustrated and i can understand that, there are other players at the club who probably still wouldnt get a game if we only have 5 available.

Next couple of games are big, by this time next week Pulis will of been in charge a year and had two transfer windows. Fingers crossed we approach the next two home games positive and get good results (i think even if we drew fans would be more hopeful if we actually attempt to win) that way it would hopefully seem we were progressing and the last two games have been the exception rather than the norm. However if we lose and put in negative shows like today and last saturday, there is a chance we may be in the relegation zone or very very close and you would have to say at that point, a year on, are we are any better than last year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 06:53:17 PM
Quote from: matt_wba912 on December 26, 2015, 06:46:31 PM
My position from the start has always been that I don't like him as a manager or want him at the club but accept that he will do the job that JP and those in charge want (i.e. stay up each season even if only by 1pt).  Having had a series of managers without any real experience as number 1s it was good to see us going for someone with a track record but his style of play and his philosophy is awful.  I simply don't accept that the way he sets us up is the best way to reach safety, win enough games and we stay up, to win we need to score goals and keep them out.  Tony seems to only focus on the later and as others have mentioned we're not doing very well at that either. 

When we see the PL being shaken up by teams like Palace, Leicester and to some extent the likes of Watford and to a lesser degree Stoke with attacking football combined with good defending it upsetting to see us left behind clinging to a style of play that most left behind a decade ago and approaching every opponent with a mindset that borders on fear of failure.  I dont think Pullis is entirely to blame for this we have been rotting for a couple of seasons but I fear for what will happen over time with his negative philosophy and awful approach and selection criteria in the transfer market

when you think that when Roy left we we're perfectly placed to not just join but lead that group of clubs (place/leicester etc).  We regularly pulled rabbits out the hat when it came to unknown foreigners who land well in the PL and we had a balanced style that kept teams out and hit them fast on the break.  since then we have not just stayed still but actively gone backwards, letting others pick up the model and move past us. Pullis isn't to blame for that but he won't change it either, we won't get any better under him and the best we can hope for is we don't get worse

The best anti Pulis post I've read, the problem was we didn't replace Roy with proven quality, in fact we are soooo lucky to still be a Premier League team, anyone who goes on about 6 years etc is in dreamland, this is our second season as Premier League club in reality.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on December 26, 2015, 06:56:46 PM
The thing is, you can't compare us to Palace, Watford and Leicester, they are financial giants in comparison to us. It used to be Swansea as the go-to successful-comparison but look at them now. If Bournemouth stay up this season, you can see them improving massively too due to their bank which we simply don't have.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on December 26, 2015, 06:59:21 PM
Have to say Jacko i dont get your post about this being our 6th season as dreamland?

This is our 6th season, once in the five prior to that was we involved in a relegation battle, the 2nd season of Clarke and Mel, when we finished 17th. The season prior we finished 8th, last season 13th (Pulis deserves credit for that)

Its a fact we have been in the premier league for 6 years, you dont finish 11th, 10th, 8th and 13th four out of five seasons by luck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on December 26, 2015, 07:04:34 PM
If TP believes the balls he spouted after the game he has had more xmas booze than me. And that's blooming unlikely!!

To set up with that midfield against a side so low on confidence - and poor - as swansea is a joke. We got exactly what we deserved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 26, 2015, 07:06:35 PM
Some good posts here tonight which sum things up for me. Pulis for me was always the medicine we needed to get better temporarily., laying a solid foundation for another more progressive guy to come in. The way he's going though the fans will turn pretty quickly if we don't get results - me included. If he doesn't get results, there's nothing else to hold onto as it's just so horrible to sit and watch. My head and heart says he'll keep us up this year but it'll be horrendous to watch most of the time.

The next few games are massive for us and Pulis. He's now consistently making weird selections without getting results. It's similar to what was happening under Megson at the end and he simply hasn't got the mileage with the fans Megson had. Maybe he'll fall out with Peace in Jan and walk. Either way, surely we will have taken all of our medicine by the summer........?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 07:08:08 PM
We may well have strengthened our squad over the past year or so, but what everyone is forgetting is that many of the teams around us have strengthened more than us.  More importantly, they have strengthened by buying players who were immediately ready for the Premier League, whereas we have bought or borrowed several players who don't seem to be anywhere near good enough.  Our scouting over the past couple of years has been well below par.

We are also guilty of not getting rid of those who just needed to be shipped out.  I know that just tearing up the contracts of Gamboa, Pocognoli and Anichebe will have cost money, and that Peace runs this club prudently, but maybe we should have agreed to pay half their wages just to get rid of them. The savings on the other half of their wages may have allowed to sign at least one more player.

The next 6 weeks are massive for this club (yes, we say this every year at this time), but when you see the likes of Bournemouth and Watford fighting to sign a £16m striker you soon realise that even if we continue to punch above our weight it may no longer be enough because others around us are strengthening even more.

I really fear for Pulis if we lose the next two games, but in all honesty I fear the future even more if he was to leave in early January unless we had somebody already lined up (Moyes, maybe even Giggs although the latter would be a real risk).




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: blue on December 26, 2015, 07:11:54 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 06:28:49 PM
I seriously fail to understand how anyone can have expected us not to be in a relgation scrap
We are an established  prem team and our so called manager has spent over 20 million quid on players and to me we look worse.

We set up defensively  against teams below us in the league after spending all week training DEFENSIVELY  and still lose.

Enough of this Dinasaur  ,defensive ,relegation fodder rubbish. Lets go for wins ,their are teams we can beat or draw against to gain enough points from . The pulisball will get us relegated because the blokes lost the plot recently and other teams are having a go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2015, 07:13:05 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 06:24:14 PM
Absolute joke of a post which could easily be reversed for the Pulis supporters. AGAIN I fail to understand why Pulis would put anyone off that Irvine didn't.
could just as easy flip that jacko to
fail to understand why Irvine would put anyone off that pulis doesn't or has.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 26, 2015, 07:13:20 PM
Would many quality managers want to take over a club in January which is for sale and which spends very little if anything in January? Pulis is here til the summer unless we go on a catastrophic run - lots of losses in a row and the fans really turn as opposed to grumble in relative silence......as is currently happening
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on December 26, 2015, 06:59:21 PM
Have to say Jacko i dont get your post about this being our 6th season as dreamland?

This is our 6th season, once in the five prior to that was we involved in a relegation battle, the 2nd season of Clarke and Mel, when we finished 17th. The season prior we finished 8th, last season 13th (Pulis deserves credit for that)

Its a fact we have been in the premier league for 6 years, you dont finish 11th, 10th, 8th and 13th four out of five seasons by luck.

We were lucky in our first season that we found Roy. 2nd season no arguments. 3rd season Champions League form for the first 19 games. SINCE THEN 69 points from 76 matches (taking us to Pulis appointment). That is two full season's we're just lucky we had an exceptional start to 2013/14 (Hodgson hangover) and an exceptional finish to 2014/15 (Pulis). The last time we were truly competetive at Premier League level was summer 2013. That's 6 transfer windows ago and one Romelu Lukaku ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on December 26, 2015, 07:19:36 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 06:38:41 PM
Or infact the reality is it's McClean and Myhill's fault??

Is this now a parody account?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 07:21:50 PM
Quote from: blue on December 26, 2015, 07:11:54 PM
We are an established  prem team and our so called manager has spent over 20 million quid on players and to me we look worse.

We set up defensively  against teams below us in the league after spending all week training DEFENSIVELY  and still lose.

Enough of this Dinasaur  ,defensive ,relegation fodder rubbish. Lets go for wins ,their are teams we can beat or draw against to gain enough points from . The pulisball will get us relegated because the blokes lost the plot recently and other teams are having a go.

So are we the only club who have spent money ? How many others have spent money and are not utilising the players they have signed ?

Ever considered the players we have including those regulars over the past few years just ain't that good ?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 26, 2015, 07:24:40 PM
Irvine had 3 less points than Pulis currently does at the same time last season. Win ratios over the course of the employment by the club are useless. As are last seasons accomplishments.

Relegation doesn't depend on last seasons record, its all about this current season.

He has had 2 transfer window, including one where we allowed him to spend a lot of money.

He has a THREE POINT better record than Irvine did this time last season. Irvine lost the next match and was sacked.

Maybe Pulis' experience will buy him more time than Irvine had. But i don't see any evidence based on his past experience to show that he will turn us into a good team. He turned Stoke into a prem team, got lucky at Palace in my opinion with the players they had (Bolasie, Puncheon etc) and now his outdated tactics are being shown up.

The premier league has moved on from Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 07:28:12 PM
We've scored 8 goals from open play this season, 7 were from set pieces and 2 were own goals.

8 goals from open play in 18 games  :o  #Pulisstats
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 07:29:16 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on December 26, 2015, 07:24:40 PM
Irvine had 3 less points than Pulis currently does at the same time last season. Win ratios over the course of the employment by the club are useless. As are last seasons accomplishments.

Relegation doesn't depend on last seasons record, its all about this current season.

He has had 2 transfer window, including one where we allowed him to spend a lot of money.

He has a THREE POINT better record than Irvine did this time last season. Irvine lost the next match and was sacked.

Maybe Pulis' experience will buy him more time than Irvine had. But i don't see any evidence based on his past experience to show that he will turn us into a good team. He turned Stoke into a prem team, got lucky at Palace in my opinion with the players they had (Bolasie, Puncheon etc) and now his outdated tactics are being shown up.

The premier league has moved on from Tony Pulis.

The Premier League has moved on from a lot of things including giving a stuff about entertaining the paying public. Its all about staying in the league and if at any time Peace things Pulis is going to take us down he will be gone, thats why Irvine went.

There is no outdated way as it all goes in circles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2015, 07:30:15 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 07:21:50 PM
So are we the only club who have spent money ? How many others have spent money and are not utilising the players they have signed ?

Ever considered the players we have including those regulars over the past few years just ain't that good ?
but is their another club our size and similar resources who've spent £8m on a defender and not utilised him, mac £5m rarely used, and who wasted £3 m on lambert. not blaming pulis entirely for the berahino situation but he's out of favour and also unfit. surely its the managers job to keep his fitness levels right. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 07:30:41 PM
We also have the worst disciplinary record in  the league #Pulisstats
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 07:33:07 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on December 26, 2015, 07:30:15 PM
but is their another club our size and similar resources who've spent £8m on a defender and not utilised him, mac £5m rarely used, and who wasted £3 m on lambert. not blaming pulis entirely for the berahino situation but he's out of favour and also unfit. surely its the managers job to keep his fitness levels right.

Possibly yes, i've not checked but Newcastle fans are not happy at spending £12m on Thauvin for one.

Players have a responsibility themselves for their fitness not just clubs, clubs can only do so much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: blue on December 26, 2015, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 07:21:50 PM
So are we the only club who have spent money ? How many others have spent money and are not utilising the players they have signed ?

Ever considered the players we have including those regulars over the past few years just ain't that good ?
I am not speaking for other clubs who have failed in signings re quality , just my own and
Pulis has spent and not improved my team from when he came in. The football is just dire and negative and set up not to get beat at all costs. YET we still get beat . So for me a more positive  approach would be more beneficial if not just more bloody entertaining.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 07:35:43 PM
Out of the 50 oldest players to play a premiership game this season 6 have play for West Brom #Pulisstats
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 26, 2015, 07:36:33 PM
C Mc in a year has offered little, so has Chester and Lambert - 15m wasted?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 07:38:20 PM
3rd worst home form in the league. Norwich 1 point behind with a game in hand. #Pulisstats
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 26, 2015, 07:41:16 PM
When Pulis losses there is no suger coasting it, no we played well and we're unlucky because he sets us up to play negative football. When we win the ends justify the means.

What winds me up the most over the last two games is not that that individual mistakes have cost us but the way we play the lack of chances we create means their really are no positives to take from games when we loose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 07:41:34 PM
Out of the 50 youngest players to play a premiership game this season only 1 has played for West Brom #Pulisstats
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2015, 07:41:41 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 07:38:20 PM
3rd worst home form in the league. Norwich 1 point behind with a game in hand. #Pulisstats
ah ah did you get a stats book for xmas by any chance. :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 07:47:12 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on December 26, 2015, 07:41:41 PM
ah ah did you get a stats book for xmas by any chance. :)

I wish. maybe next year.

You can't argue with facts so I'm just highlighting them and people can interpret them whichever way they choose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 26, 2015, 07:47:19 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 07:29:16 PM
The Premier League has moved on from a lot of things including giving a stuff about entertaining the paying public. Its all about staying in the league and if at any time Peace things Pulis is going to take us down he will be gone, thats why Irvine went.

There is no outdated way as it all goes in circles.

Watford, Palace, Leicester, Swansea (last 2 seasons), Southampton (last 2 seasons) all play exciting football that entertain their fans while surviving. There is entertainment to be had with the right manager and the right players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 07:50:58 PM
Lowest average possession in premiership. West Brom with 41.6% #Pulisstats
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 07:52:57 PM
2nd worst team in the Premiership for passing accuracy with 71.3% #Pulisstats

Worst interestingly is Leicester with 69.5%
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on December 26, 2015, 07:54:22 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 07:38:20 PM
3rd worst home form in the league. Norwich 1 point behind with a game in hand. #Pulisstats

Really, I thought only Villa had picked up less points than us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 07:54:47 PM
Joint fourth best for winning aerial duels is us. #Pulisstats

Best in the league interestingly is lowly Aston Villa
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 07:55:30 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on December 26, 2015, 07:54:22 PM
Really, I thought only Villa had picked up less points than us?

Norwich have 7 we have 8.

Norwich have played 1 less home game currently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 26, 2015, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 06:45:36 PM
So you expect a few years of dross, mismanagement to be turned around in a short space of time ?

How do you expect to get players out of the club when there are only 2 transfer windows a season and no fecker wants them ?

It has to be done bit by bit so how do you expect major change in a short space of time. His philosophy was well known before he came. Its not great no but its also not as bad as some make out, its inbetween and at times goes closer to one or the other.

These beautiful footballers have been part of it, too inconsistent for too long. Brunt is much better now at left back than he was ambling around the centre of midfield. Morrison has a decent couple of games then its anonymous time again. Sess is the same and McManaman is an enigma, courted by many at Wigan yet none were prepared to take a chance.

We've been on a downward curve since Roy left, difference is this time its someone who knows the league so not it ain't pretty and won't be but I bet you when he goes he will have left us in a better state throughout the club than when he came.

When we lose its not down to one person whether thats Pulis, Myhill, McClean or commonly Gardner.

You can post any "opinion" anywhere as thats all it is, an "opinion". We all have them and they all differ. Who's to say which is right or which is wrong ??

We can't get rid of some of this dross because we keep giving them new contracts. Whats the betting Olsson gets one too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on December 26, 2015, 08:16:10 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on December 26, 2015, 03:26:47 PM
how stoke must be rubbing there hands today , tony who !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I, to think we were Brazil only a few years ago
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on December 26, 2015, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 06:43:31 PM
Does anyone think Palace or Stoke are gutted he didn't stay?

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm......let me think about this one.

 :D

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 08:36:32 PM
The least shots per game in the premiership with 8.7 #Pulisstats
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on December 26, 2015, 08:37:11 PM
The dinasour is starting to sound like murinio after games criticising refs  time to press the poll reset button ay
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 08:41:01 PM
The least shots on target per game in the premiership with 2.9 #Pulisstats
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 08:43:35 PM
The second most long balls per game with 73 #Pulisstats

Winners are Watford with 81
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 26, 2015, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on December 26, 2015, 08:32:11 PM
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm......let me think about this one.

 :D

DK

Maybe he left some good foundations for others to benefit from ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 08:53:58 PM
Quote from: darbolina on December 26, 2015, 08:49:32 PM
Maybe he left some good foundations for others to benefit from ?

So let's give him the rest of the season and get rid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 08:59:10 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on December 26, 2015, 07:47:19 PM
Watford, Palace, Leicester, Swansea (last 2 seasons), Southampton (last 2 seasons) all play exciting football that entertain their fans while surviving. There is entertainment to be had with the right manager and the right players.

Not disputing there is entertainment out there.

Watford first season lets see how they play in a couple of years when they are aiming more to stay in than enjoy it.

The rest have budgets we can only dream off.

Swansea entertaining, really ??

I suggest you right a letter to Jeremy as he is interested in staying in the league not entertainment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 26, 2015, 09:00:48 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 08:53:58 PM
So let's give him the rest of the season and get rid.

Yep sounds a good plan - trouble is, we  don't own the club so rubbish performances which mean we stay up might appeal to Mr Peace longer term simply because we stay up.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 26, 2015, 09:03:08 PM
His after game interview smacked of someone under a bit of pressure to me. He must know we're looking devoid of ideas and confidence , let's see how he fights the fire - normally Pulis strongest point!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 26, 2015, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 08:59:10 PM
Not disputing there is entertainment out there.

Watford first season lets see how they play in a couple of years when they are aiming more to stay in than enjoy it.

The rest have budgets we can only dream off.

Swansea entertaining, really ??

I suggest you right a letter to Jeremy as he is interested in staying in the league not entertainment.

Mate, everyone knows Peace is not bothered about the entertainment, however anyone who thinks Pulis will guarantee premier league football could be in for a shock.

In my opinion we are the worst footballing team in the division, that can't be the way forward for anyone, Peace included.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on December 26, 2015, 09:07:49 PM
Quote from: darbolina on December 26, 2015, 08:49:32 PM
Maybe he left some good foundations for others to benefit from ?

He left us some good players alright. And once Hughes got hold of them we were pleasantly surprised to find they could pass the ball and other weird stuff that we'd not really seen from our players for a number of years.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on December 26, 2015, 09:21:19 PM
Needs to earn his money on Monday. Today we gifted a team who had not won in over 2 months 3 points. We face another team below us and probably lacking confidence. A loss to Newcastle will bring them level on points, he cant keep moaning about bad refs and luck. Sometimes you have to make your own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 26, 2015, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 08:53:58 PM
So let's give him the rest of the season and get rid.

KingKoren, your list of stats is staggering. I knew we were bad, but i didnt realize we were THAT bad. Any chance you can collate all those damning stats onto one posting ?

We are appalling - there is no two ways about it.
The only part of your post i disagreee with is giving him until the end of the season. We sacked Irvine on only 3 points worse than this.
My position would be if we get a combined 1 point or less from the Newcastle and Stoke games, then Tony Pulis should be sacked on Saturday 2nd January at 6pm. No if's, buts or maybe's. We will need to sakc him for the sake of our future, and for the majority of Baggies fans sanity.

PS -mods, i suppose there is still a ban on discussing the possibility of our next manager ? Or is that still a topic thats "persona non grata'.  Ridiculous. this is a forum for opinions. Those opinions should include who we feel is the best manager to lead us out of this crisis. And lets not beat around the bush here - West Bromwich Albion, as a football club, is heading into crisis territory. And fast. Exactly the same scenario as we faced last year.  If anything, Pulis has made us worse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on December 26, 2015, 09:31:42 PM
The stance of the owner of this forum has not changed, and as such the rule that discussion of future managers (while we have someone employed in that role) is not one we as a moderatong team will allow.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 09:45:00 PM
As of the 26.12 .15

We are second highest for long balls per game in the premiership with 73 #Pulisstats

Winners are Watford with 81

The least shots on target per game in the premiership is ourselves with 2.9 #Pulisstats

The least shots per game in the premiership is ourselves with 8.7 #Pulisstats

We are the joint fourth best for winning aerial duels  #Pulisstats

Best in the league interestingly is lowly Aston Villa

We are the 2nd worst team in the Premiership for passing accuracy with 71.3% #Pulisstats

Worst interestingly is Leicester with 69.5%

The lowest average possession in premiership. Is ourselves with 41.6% #Pulisstats

Out of the 50 youngest players to play a premiership game this season only 1 has played for West Brom #Pulisstats

We have the 3rd worst home form in the premiership. Norwich (2nd worst) 1 point behind with a game in hand #Pulisstats

Out of the 50 oldest players to play a premiership game this season 6 have play for West Brom #Pulisstats

The worst disciplinary record in the league is ourselves 39Y 3R #Pulisstats

We've scored 8 goals from open play this season, 7 from set pieces and 2 were own goals.

8 goals from open play in 18 games  #Pulisstats

The second least amount of dribbles per game in the premiership is ourselves with 7.6 #Pulisstats

Southampton are the lowest with 7.2

Ourselves and Leicester are the only 2 team in the premiership to fail to score a goal outside the area #Pulisstats
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 26, 2015, 09:51:36 PM
Jesus Christ, thats jaw-dropping. And we think we are progressing with this guy running our football club ?
Read those stats again.
And again.
And then, once more..............and then think " where are we going under this guy".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 26, 2015, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 09:45:00 PM
As of the 26.12 .15

We are second highest for long balls per game in the premiership with 73 #Pulisstats

Winners are Watford with 81

The least shots on target per game in the premiership is ourselves with 2.9 #Pulisstats

The least shots per game in the premiership is ourselves with 8.7 #Pulisstats

We are the joint fourth best for winning aerial duels  #Pulisstats

Best in the league interestingly is lowly Aston Villa

We are the 2nd worst team in the Premiership for passing accuracy with 71.3% #Pulisstats

Worst interestingly is Leicester with 69.5%

The lowest average possession in premiership. Is ourselves with 41.6% #Pulisstats

Out of the 50 youngest players to play a premiership game this season only 1 has played for West Brom #Pulisstats

We have the 3rd worst home form in the premiership. Norwich (2nd worst) 1 point behind with a game in hand #Pulisstats

Out of the 50 oldest players to play a premiership game this season 6 have play for West Brom #Pulisstats

The worst disciplinary record in the league is ourselves 39Y 3R #Pulisstats

We've scored 8 goals from open play this season, 7 from set pieces and 2 were own goals.

8 goals from open play in 18 games  #Pulisstats

The second least amount of dribbles per game in the premiership is ourselves with 7.6 #Pulisstats

Southampton are the lowest with 7.2

Not pretty but not a surprise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 26, 2015, 09:57:14 PM
He came in under the guise of creating a solid defence to advance with.
This is now being shown up as laughable.
It might only be 1 or 2 goals..But they all hurt and will eventually destroy us.
He has to redress the balance and start to hurt the oppositions' defence by attacking.
I know it will cause him palpitations, but the old adage still stands...
Attack is the best form of defence.
(If we have possession in their half, they can't score, but we may).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 26, 2015, 10:29:12 PM
Keep the faith Monday is a big game.


Up the baggies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 26, 2015, 10:31:02 PM
Pep guerdiola could be the manager of these and I doubt he could get some of them to trap a bag of cement, tackle a Sunday dinner or pass wind! We've been like this for a few years! Changing the manager every year aint going to work! Look at man utd with Moyes & now lvg!
We all know the squad is aging (one of the oldest if not the oldest in the pl) apart from the ones tp has brought in - yes it seems he's got some wrong! We are a long way from being where we need to be! Who else is there about anyway! We need to show some patience! No one can be more pee'd off than me about today! 3pts is needed Monday, but i still think there will be 3 teams worse than us again! But boy do we need to improve! Rant over!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 26, 2015, 10:33:48 PM
Ah yes a conversation I will embrace on here why don't we use young strikers, midfielders etc ? Rather than turds like Lambert, what is the point of our academy ? No-one ever is brought through.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 26, 2015, 10:38:55 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on December 26, 2015, 10:33:48 PM
Ah yes a conversation I will embrace on here why don't we use young strikers, midfielders etc ? Rather than turds like Lambert, what is the point of our academy ? No-one ever is brought through.

Berahino came through, but he is the one who doesn't want to be here and wants to play the fool all the time, so he is never going to be head boy.
His exam marks will leave a lot to be desired.
He has more potential, but is just going to waste his talents.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 10:39:01 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on December 26, 2015, 09:22:10 PM
KingKoren, your list of stats is staggering. I knew we were bad, but i didnt realize we were THAT bad. Any chance you can collate all those damning stats onto one posting ?

We are appalling - there is no two ways about it.
The only part of your post i disagreee with is giving him until the end of the season. We sacked Irvine on only 3 points worse than this.
My position would be if we get a combined 1 point or less from the Newcastle and Stoke games, then Tony Pulis should be sacked on Saturday 2nd January at 6pm. No if's, buts or maybe's. We will need to sakc him for the sake of our future, and for the majority of Baggies fans sanity.

PS -mods, i suppose there is still a ban on discussing the possibility of our next manager ? Or is that still a topic thats "persona non grata'.  Ridiculous. this is a forum for opinions. Those opinions should include who we feel is the best manager to lead us out of this crisis. And lets not beat around the bush here - West Bromwich Albion, as a football club, is heading into crisis territory. And fast. Exactly the same scenario as we faced last year.  If anything, Pulis has made us worse.

Yes there is a ban on possible managers just as there was Irvine was manager and just as there will be after Pulis, its disrespectful and not welcome on here, never has been never will be.

All our rules and requests are ridiculous to those who disagree with them, thats life I guess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 10:42:52 PM
Southampton 4 nil... 35% possession.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on December 26, 2015, 10:43:25 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 09:45:00 PM
As of the 26.12 .15

We are second highest for long balls per game in the premiership with 73 #Pulisstats

Winners are Watford with 81

The least shots on target per game in the premiership is ourselves with 2.9 #Pulisstats

The least shots per game in the premiership is ourselves with 8.7 #Pulisstats

We are the joint fourth best for winning aerial duels  #Pulisstats

Best in the league interestingly is lowly Aston Villa

We are the 2nd worst team in the Premiership for passing accuracy with 71.3% #Pulisstats

Worst interestingly is Leicester with 69.5%

The lowest average possession in premiership. Is ourselves with 41.6% #Pulisstats

Out of the 50 youngest players to play a premiership game this season only 1 has played for West Brom #Pulisstats

We have the 3rd worst home form in the premiership. Norwich (2nd worst) 1 point behind with a game in hand #Pulisstats

Out of the 50 oldest players to play a premiership game this season 6 have play for West Brom #Pulisstats

The worst disciplinary record in the league is ourselves 39Y 3R #Pulisstats

We've scored 8 goals from open play this season, 7 from set pieces and 2 were own goals.

8 goals from open play in 18 games  #Pulisstats

The second least amount of dribbles per game in the premiership is ourselves with 7.6 #Pulisstats

Southampton are the lowest with 7.2

Ourselves and Leicester are the only 2 team in the premiership to fail to score a goal outside the area #Pulisstats

Comon he needs to be given far more time and plenty more money before we can even begin to judge him. You cant expect someone to take a team that has spent 6 seasons in the Premier League and relatively speaking spent minimum amount of time in the bottom 3 in that time to only have 12 months, 3 transfer windows and nearly £50m to spend to play any other way. To be honest it's amazing if he keeps us up, and if you think we could possibly stay up any other way then how come Tony Mowbray got us relegated nearly a decade ago with a newly promoted side with a fraction of the resources Pulis has had? If thats not proof I dont know what is.

Do you honestly expect us to be able to compete with footballing powerhouses like Bournemouth, Swansea, Watford, Crystal Palace, Leicester, Southampton and Stoke? Yes we cant score goals but it's not as if Pulis has really had the chance to improve us in the area. I can understand if he had the players but what's he meant to do with a CF who was playing for England 12 months ago, an international with pedigree in 2 of Europes top leagues and a £25m rated striker?

For anyone who is worried reading the above stats just give him more time. After all he was at Stoke for over 5 years and had the 3rd highest net spend in the league in that time. And when he was properly backed, had near complete control over the football side and plenty of time to implicate his style Stokes play in no way resembled the stats above. I remember they were a team with great possesion percentages, who kept the ball well, had plenty of shots on and off target and scored loads of goals. Also they were terrible in the air, never played long balls, scored most of their goals from open play, were terrible at set pieces, had 2 recognised full backs and blooded loads of yougsters. I can also distinctly remember loads of Albion fans on here saying how much they wished Pulis was our manager and how they would rather get relegated than watch the rubbish Mowbray served up every week.

So if the above makes grim reading just relax, because it in now way bares any resemblance to how Pulis would like to play but unfortunately there is literally no other choice at the moment, and hasn't been in the last 12 months either. Pulis has shown time and time again in his career how he wants his teams to play and it's nothing like what we have seen so far, but as doing anything else means relegation he has little choice. Give him another 5 years and £200m to spend and only then is it fair to expect a midfield than can pass the ball to each other or any full backs. Anyone who is thinking we would be stupid to get rid of him only needs to look at how upset the Stoke fans were when he left and how they have descended in to a mess since he left. Not sure if anyone saw them against Utd this week or City a couple of weeks ago but they were rubbish. I think most of them want Pulis back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 26, 2015, 10:44:40 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2015, 10:42:52 PM
Southampton 4 nil... 35% possession.

Yes but they had more shots on target than we would have done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 10:45:47 PM
There is some serious anti-Pulisball heat developing.  The two forced changes today (and for the next 2 games) have highlighted just how poor our squad is, and how few options exist.  We seem to have literally a squad of 14 or maybe 15 players who Pulis trusts, which is ridiculous.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2015, 10:47:48 PM
Leicester's average is 3rd lowest with 43.3% and they are top of the league.

I just put the stats out there i wasn't commenting myself on them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 10:48:08 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 10:45:47 PM
There is some serious anti-Pulisball heat developing.  The two forced changes today (and for the next 2 games) have highlighted just how poor our squad is, and how few options exist.  We seem to have literally a squad of 14 or maybe 15 players who Pulis trusts, which is ridiculous.

Problem is he's stuck with the rest, nice long contracts and no-one else wants them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 26, 2015, 10:48:48 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on December 26, 2015, 10:38:55 PM
Berahino came through, but he is the one who doesn't want to be here and wants to play the fool all the time, so he is never going to be head boy.
His exam marks will leave a lot to be desired.
He has more potential, but is just going to waste his talents.

True just got brought up rather than these dead beats towing the line mate, I thought the arrogant Berahino livened things up for us today
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 26, 2015, 10:54:03 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 10:48:08 PM
Problem is he's stuck with the rest, nice long contracts and no-one else wants them


What about the youngsters, Pulis simply won't give them an opportunity.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 10:55:41 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2015, 10:48:08 PM
Problem is he's stuck with the rest, nice long contracts and no-one else wants them

We need to pay them off to get rid of them.  Time to cut our losses
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 10:57:44 PM
Quote from: Aztech on December 26, 2015, 10:54:03 PM

What about the youngsters, Pulis simply won't give them an opportunity.

Apart from Nabi, I can't see that they would be better than what we've got.  We haven't got a lack of good players.   We have a tactics and approach problem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 26, 2015, 11:00:04 PM
As I'm not particularly pro or anti Pulis I thought id have a quick think of some common pros/cons on our situation with him as manager

Pros
- Relegation is quite unlikely as a Pulis team is notoriously hard to beat.
- Arguably our fringe players are very poor (e.g getting torn to shreds by Norwich's fringe players in the league cup)
- He's only been in the job a year so several players are not his


Cons
- Sets up every game extremely negatively
- Style of football is very boring. Eg very low possession each game. Very few short successful passing. Very low levels of shots on target and goals from open play
- Continually plays people out of position
- Hasn't come across as being a particularly pleasant or likeable person over the years. This is potentially damaging to the reputation of the club and can detract players from wanting to move here.
- Hes wasted a lot of transfer money already. A fear I held when he was appointed knowledge of him back in his Stoke days.

Unfortunately as much as I like to get behind managers, the cons really are looking like they outweigh the pros at this stage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 26, 2015, 11:03:14 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 26, 2015, 10:57:44 PM
Apart from Nabi, I can't see that they would be better than what we've got.  We haven't got a lack of good players.   We have a tactics and approach problem.

I agree, however I can't see how he can blame the depth of squad and yet he has never given an opportunity to youngsters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 26, 2015, 11:09:42 PM
His anniversary of being here is 1st January.
He has (edit) had a year and the fans' and club's money to do something.
When will he deliver?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on December 26, 2015, 11:13:37 PM
We play the way we play because presumably Pulis doesn't trust our defence, i.e. the back 4 +say 1 in front of them, to defend and so he utilises all the other midfielders in a defensive mode, meaning we have only 1 striker who is so isolated as to be pointless and no attacking/creative midfielders. So, if Pulis doesn't rate the defenders why not get in better defenders? Why not get in better full backs and centre halves (I know he's brought in Evans, but 1 out of 4 isn't going to transform the defence)? That way we don't rob the midfield and consequently yield it to the opposition, meaning most of most(if not all) games are played in our half of the pitch. If a game is played in our half of the pitch which half of the pitch is likely to see the goals?

I'm not anti-Pulis because I don't like his tactics. I'm anti Pulis because I don't like his tactics AND they don't work. Moreover I don't see how they can work consistently. I see other teams, with arguably players of a similar ability to ours taking matches to the opposition and doing as well if not better than us. There might well be 3 teams with fewer points than us after 38 games but at the moment I wouldn't bet on it!

I see others on this forum making the point that it's not Pulis's fault if players can't pass to a teammate. But if you spend the vast majority of your time merely trying to break up play is it any wonder that when you get the ball you can't immediately change to creative mode and pick out a team mate with accuracy. And even if you could how many of your team mates, similarly locked into a defensive mindset, are presenting you with a passing opportunity. How many are busting a gut to get forward when their defensive role has become so deeply embedded in their brains.

I can understand any manager wanting to build a strong defence as a priority in improving the whole team but midfielders are called that for a reason. If Puils wants a G/K, 9 defenders and 1 striker on the pitch, he might as well go the whole hog and recruit another 2 centre halves and 2 full backs to play alongside, not instead of, the ones we've already got!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 26, 2015, 11:34:51 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on December 26, 2015, 06:16:29 PM
Dont we need to re set the poll now and watch the 50% of fickle fans (who are not at all fickle if you listen to them) swing back the other way now?  ;)

In all seriousness I've given up posting on here the last 6 weeks or so as the whole thing is so boringly predictable I honestly dont know why people expect anything different.

Phase 1.
We play god awful woeful football for 6 weeks and take 8 points in 6 games with a couple of set pieces and the general consensus is it isn't pretty but its effective. Also expect to see plenty of comments that imply directly or indirectly that we couldn't possibly stay up without Pulis. Mowbrays name will also crop up in a sneery way.

Phase 2
We play 'ok' for a couple of games which is then vastly overated as a really god performance when in fact it probably shows the bare minimum attacking intent but as a group we are so shocked to see more than 2 players in the opposition half that it actually resembles a decent performance. Throw in 1 more pretty decent performance at a high tempo and commited performance but again sorely lacking on real quality. Sections cant wait to gloat about how anyone with a different opinion to them was an idiot, they knew he just needed time etc etc. This is what happens when Pulis is given time, and this will be the start of a new improved Albion (at this stage it's vital you ignore the past 3/6/9/12 months and just focus on the last 3/4 games). Poll is reset

Phase 3
We turn to absolute pooh, playing football that would make Sam Allerdyce turn his nose up in disgust at the 'tactics' (is 10 men behind the ball and hoping for a corner/mistake considered a tactic these days?) on display. General mood is one of depression and talk of relegation returns. The only positive thing Pulis brings is 'guaranteed' survival but if he cant even secure that then we may as well throw the towel in now such is the god awful experience of actually having to watch us play. In truth theres little difference from phase 1 here, apart from we dont score from a corner or the oppo make a mistake. 2 weeks later we beat a mid table side 1-0 and return to phase 1.

As per my post history I'm not a fan of Pulis and think he is an absolute abomination of a manager. I wouldn't say I'm anti Pulis as I dont want the guy to fail and would never want a Albion side to lose no matter who was in charge. However whilst my lov for the club hasn't died my interest in us has completely. We are a side who have 0% interest in any sort of performance so why bother doing anything else other than check the result at 4.45pm. People say results are all that matters but if true then why would anybody go to the games?

I lived in Brighton, now Manchester and have always followed us from afar. Season ticket home and away for 5 years but now go semi regularly when work permits. I was offered a ticket for the Newcastle game and for the first time in my entire life have turned out down when I could of gone. I justified this by reasoning I went to Liverpool and will also be doing Everton and Newcastle away in Jan/Feb. Things are so bad I now verge on looking for reasons to justify not going to myself and consider the experience a chore that has to be done because I'm a fan and thats what fans do and what I've been doing for 25 years.

The reason for this is solely down to Pulis, and as much as I would love to being proved wrong I really dont understand why anyone can think it ever will. His 12 months here is probably enough to suggest it wont, let alone the previous 15 years of his managerial career.

As I say I rarely post on this thread now as you will always have 25% who fully support him, 25% who cant stand his football and 50% and flip from side to side depending on the latest result. Pulis will be here until he falls out with Peace for not giving him £50m to spend, or those 50% of 'floating' fans gradually move permanently towards the 'anti' Pulis side ala Stoke and Peace is pretty much left with no choice. The sooner either happens the better and I can get back to looking forward to watching us again.
Sorry for the full copy and paste, but that's a really excellent post and summarises much of what I think too. God help the future of football if people really believe that playing like this is the only way for teams to stay up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 26, 2015, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: Aztech on December 26, 2015, 10:44:40 PM
Yes but they had more shots on target than we would have done.
More than likely, they scored 4 goals, so that's more than we're averaging, even if those were the only on target attempts that they had!! Going back to the stats that I posted this morning, we're having less shots on average than last season, but allowing more shots on average than last season. Pulis has had a summer transfer window and a pre-season and yet we're actually regressing. I believe that we've actually been lucky to get the number of points we've got so far. For example, the victory over Arsenal can't reasonably be claimed to have been deserved IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 26, 2015, 11:55:07 PM
It would be interesting how a WEEKLY vote on Pulis's support would be.
Can the mods do this?
Or does a mere mortal create a new link to ask the question?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 26, 2015, 11:58:11 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on December 26, 2015, 11:55:07 PM
It would be interesting how a WEEKLY vote on Pulis's support would be.
Can the mods do this?
Or does a mere mortal create a new link to ask the question?

My vote does not change, whatever the result. Pulis is a dinosaur.

I'm amazed that others could change their opinion on an almost weekly basis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 27, 2015, 12:00:29 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on December 26, 2015, 11:51:44 PM
More than likely, they scored 4 goals, so that's more than we're averaging, even if those were the only on target attempts that they had!! Going back to the stats that I posted this morning, we're having less shots on average than last season, but allowing more shots on average than last season. Pulis has had a summer transfer window and a pre-season and yet we're actually regressing. I believe that we've actually been lucky to get the number of points we've got so far. For example, the victory over Arsenal can't reasonably be claimed to have been deserved IMO.

Thought you might after I ripped your stats to shreds...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 27, 2015, 12:04:11 AM
After seeing the starting XI I didn't even bother trying to find a stream or listen on the radio as I knew what the end result would be. We have gone to a side that has struggled as of late and played for a 0-0 in my opinion.

I've seen a quote tonight from Pulis where he says something along the lines of 'we went to have a real go' yet that team suggests the total opposite. It's the biggest load of garbage I think I've heard from an Albion manager since Irvine said we handled Charlie Austin well after he had just scored a sodding hat-trick against us.

I'm not anti-Pulis by any means but had we started the game with the team that we finished it with I believe we would have had a much better chance of getting something out of the game. Set plays aside we must be the easiest side to prepare playing against as our style of play and starting XI are so predictable.

All I want to see is a starting XI that I feel is there to try and cause the opposition some problems from open play and not just set pieces. I'm not even asking for wholesale changes just some tweaks here and there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on December 27, 2015, 12:04:49 AM
After the past 2 results, and the apparent 'turn' of vocal opinions on Pulis, if we were to lose again on Monday are we then in a position where Pulis is under SERIOUS pressure?

As I've tried saying to many, games against the big guns are watchable playing the tactics, but we have fluked wins against the leagues bottom two, and have lost to Bournemouth, Swansea quite possibly Newcastle in 48 hours time.

Would be want/need a change if this were the case? Something within this group of players seems very weird to me, and I genuinely feel a defeat could be the beginning of the end.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 27, 2015, 12:09:41 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on December 27, 2015, 12:04:49 AM
After the past 2 results, and the apparent 'turn' of vocal opinions on Pulis, if we were to lose again on Monday are we then in a position where Pulis is under SERIOUS pressure?

As I've tried saying to many, games against the big guns are watchable playing the tactics, but we have fluked wins against the leagues bottom two, and have lost to Bournemouth, Swansea quite possibly Newcastle in 48 hours time.

Would be want/need a change if this were the case? Something within this group of players seems very weird to me, and I genuinely feel a defeat could be the beginning of the end.

Unfortunately even if we were to lose I don't think he will go.

That said I hope we win convincingly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 27, 2015, 12:12:04 AM
NO 20 points from 19 games = Safe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on December 27, 2015, 12:15:31 AM
Some questions to pose.

Will Pulis definitely be looking for re-reinforcements in January?

Will JP or any of you trust him spending any more money with his patchy record on transfer dealings?

Will Pulis actually play any new players or is he more likely to stick rigidly to his favoured squad of 14/15 players?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on December 27, 2015, 12:26:57 AM
Can't help thinking there would be more chance of us going down if he went than if he stays and that's what counts to JP and co.  It will take a far bigger slump than this for him to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dreamkiller on December 27, 2015, 12:32:33 AM
Quote from: Wollastonbaggie on December 26, 2015, 11:13:37 PM
I see others on this forum making the point that it's not Pulis's fault if players can't pass to a teammate. But if you spend the vast majority of your time merely trying to break up play is it any wonder that when you get the ball you can't immediately change to creative mode and pick out a team mate with accuracy. And even if you could how many of your team mates, similarly locked into a defensive mindset, are presenting you with a passing opportunity. How many are busting a gut to get forward when their defensive role has become so deeply embedded in their brains.


If it's not Pulis' fault that his players can't pass then he really is a very unlucky manager, because after 10 years or so as the Stoke manager, none of our lot could pass either - and please make note of the timescales here. After many years of managing us, and after arguing that we just needed that bit more quality after spending the best part of £100m, he still had a team of Premier League players who were incapable of passing a ball.

The truth is, it's all about shape. The Pulis strategy is that your team must keep their shape at all times. This effectively cancels out any possibility of pass and move, because once you move, you lose your shape. So instead, what you have are statues which are easy to mark. So just how do you pass when no one's in any space. You can't, can you? So eventually, as a player, you're closed down. Then you pass to your nearest colleague. But he's got two men on him, so you lose the ball. That's because you're a Premier League player who can't pass, right? That's what the Pulisters would have you believe.

So, you've got players who can't pass, and a striker standing on his own, miles away from any of his colleagues who don't have the intelligence to make runs off the ball. Nothing to do with the Pulis cage that his midfield players are not allowed out of in case his defence is no longer protected by at least 4 more players.

Maybe you just need more quality. Maybe you need to spend another £8m on a centre half to play at full back (or on the bench), or another £30m to get you 3 points more than the derided Irvine got you at this point last year. Anyone who thinks that what's happening at your club is nothing to do with the tactics and way of operating that Pulis has lived by all his managerial career is not being honest with themselves.

It's what he does. Revel in the ugly mid-tableness he guarantees you. If that's what you enjoy, you're in for a treat. But if you want something more, don't let his acolytes convince you there's not a better way. Take it from this Stokie, there really is.

DK
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 27, 2015, 12:53:41 AM
He will never be sacked.

That's the bottom line.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 27, 2015, 01:07:11 AM
Quite frankly he is on his way to achieving the clubs objective to stay in the Premier League. We have come off a run of games against Arsenal, West Ham, Tottenham and Liverpool where we were up beaten and arguably should have got more than the 6 points we took from them. You could even argue that had we got the penalty decisions we probably should have had we would have taken points from the game at Swansea today and Leicester at home a month or so ago. The margins are so fine that we are now worried as we have been dragged back into the relegation battle, I like to think I'm realistic enough to realise that this is what we will have to put up with for the rest of the season where we get a couple of positive results on the spin followed by some poor ones just like most other clubs in the league.

I am as frustrated as a lot of others are. I want to see us start games with a side that looks like it's in it to try and win it and cause the opposition problems from the get go rather than seemingly playing with the hope of not conceding and maybe pinching a goal or two from set plays.

Are we going to have these posts every time we have a run of two or three defeats on the bounce? For me this is an overreaction, I think criticism of team selections, tactics and transfers is all fair but we have been in much worse situations than this regardless of how frustrating it is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 27, 2015, 01:30:02 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 27, 2015, 12:00:29 AM
Thought you might after I ripped your stats to shreds...
I didnt see you ripping KingKorens daming stats of Our Tony's wonderfully productive and forward-thinking method of playing, though'. That surely was the most damning verdict of any team in the history of the Premier League.
But no, its usually someone else's fauly...Myhill, McClean, the ref, the crossbar.....
Keep it up...its entertaining, to say the least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 27, 2015, 02:01:07 AM
Mid table boredom for another 3 seasons really puts us up there with the richest teams in the world, so bring it on I say. Could it not be argues that people wanting Pulis out are just being selfish and thinking about their own entertainment rather than the good of our club? Sure, there has to be a balance but this ain't the time. We need that TV money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on December 27, 2015, 03:27:55 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on December 27, 2015, 02:01:07 AM
Mid table boredom for another 3 seasons really puts us up there with the richest teams in the world, so bring it on I say. Could it not be argues that people wanting Pulis out are just being selfish and thinking about their own entertainment rather than the good of our club? Sure, there has to be a balance but this ain't the time. We need that TV money.
We need the money as in the board or as us the fans,because it wont be well spent on new players,that's if there are any decent players willing to play for us the Pulis way that is.




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 27, 2015, 03:42:36 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on December 27, 2015, 01:30:02 AM
I didnt see you ripping KingKorens daming stats of Our Tony's wonderfully productive and forward-thinking method of playing, though'. That surely was the most damning verdict of any team in the history of the Premier League.
But no, its usually someone else's fauly...Myhill, McClean, the ref, the crossbar.....
Keep it up...its entertaining, to say the least.
I didn't need to re-post them they're there for KingKoren to see... his meaningless stats also fall down in the face of POINTS PER GAME.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 27, 2015, 05:16:09 AM
No don't be ridiculous! he ain't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on December 27, 2015, 06:01:54 AM
Set the scene we sack the relegation expert, villa take him on, we appoint a "flair manager" and we go down they stay up.

We need a decent transfer window to stay up, not a new manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on December 27, 2015, 06:21:50 AM
Quote from: swad35 on December 27, 2015, 06:01:54 AM
Set the scene we sack the relegation expert, villa take him on, we appoint a "flair manager" and we go down they stay up.

We need a decent transfer window to stay up, not a new manager.

We need to buy players that will add what's missing to the side not bench warmers at £8m a pop.
I can't see Pulis going, so we have to put up with this dross if we want to stay in the Prem.
Frankly I can see us turning into a Bolton/Wigan/Blackburn, by that I mean a team that's going to be there for a few years to make up the numbers then fall through the trap door and scrap about fotr a ew years to try and get back into this greed league.
It ain't pretty but its what we are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on December 27, 2015, 07:11:43 AM
"We need to buy players to add what's missing...."                                                                                                                                                     

But is "what's missing" down to our existing players not being able to provide it or because they're not being allowed to provide it? And if different players are brought in, will they be allowed to provide it, assuming the money is well spent and they are "able" of course.                             
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 27, 2015, 07:52:16 AM
Different manager + same core of players = same as!
You'd never cut wood with a blunt saw no matter who was using it!
This project is going to take time! We've been quite poor for years! Could be worse look at the Villa and for that matter Sunderland!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 27, 2015, 08:00:42 AM
Laughable. ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 27, 2015, 08:32:44 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 27, 2015, 12:00:29 AM
Thought you might after I ripped your stats to shreds...
You have such a high opinion of yourself don't you? Your world doesn't allow for alternative viewpoints to your own. My stats stand in their own right, so you didn't rip anything to shreds. The stats I posted suggest that Pulis may have got more points than his immediate predecessors in spite of his approach rather than because of it. It could be argued that he's a lucky manager and was at Stoke too. Any luck could desert him sooner or later.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 27, 2015, 08:49:35 AM
Regrettably no. We have the survival specialist, we have the lowest common denominator, we have the coach you would appoint to grind out sufficient points to scrape home. There is no place left to go we sink or swim with Pulis.

I have long held the view that in general clubs are too quick to fire coaches and on many occasions the form that will lead to a sacking is just random variance. As a fan I have to admit this applies to coaches I detest as much as the ones I quite like.  :( 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 27, 2015, 09:02:57 AM
No but look forward to the future have a man lined up to replace him in the summer with a bit more excitement and ambition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 27, 2015, 09:04:34 AM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on December 27, 2015, 12:32:33 AM
If it's not Pulis' fault that his players can't pass then he really is a very unlucky manager, because after 10 years or so as the Stoke manager, none of our lot could pass either - and please make note of the timescales here. After many years of managing us, and after arguing that we just needed that bit more quality after spending the best part of £100m, he still had a team of Premier League players who were incapable of passing a ball.

The truth is, it's all about shape. The Pulis strategy is that your team must keep their shape at all times. This effectively cancels out any possibility of pass and move, because once you move, you lose your shape. So instead, what you have are statues which are easy to mark. So just how do you pass when no one's in any space. You can't, can you? So eventually, as a player, you're closed down. Then you pass to your nearest colleague. But he's got two men on him, so you lose the ball. That's because you're a Premier League player who can't pass, right? That's what the Pulisters would have you believe.

So, you've got players who can't pass, and a striker standing on his own, miles away from any of his colleagues who don't have the intelligence to make runs off the ball. Nothing to do with the Pulis cage that his midfield players are not allowed out of in case his defence is no longer protected by at least 4 more players.

Maybe you just need more quality. Maybe you need to spend another £8m on a centre half to play at full back (or on the bench), or another £30m to get you 3 points more than the derided Irvine got you at this point last year. Anyone who thinks that what's happening at your club is nothing to do with the tactics and way of operating that Pulis has lived by all his managerial career is not being honest with themselves.

It's what he does. Revel in the ugly mid-tableness he guarantees you. If that's what you enjoy, you're in for a treat. But if you want something more, don't let his acolytes convince you there's not a better way. Take it from this Stokie, there really is.

DK

This sums it up for me. On the pitch progression is sacrificed for defensive shape. We can debate this style vs results all year ( or what's left of it), the fact is Pulis did at Stoke for 10 years what he's doing with us. He's a limited manager but succeeds in achieving results to keep sides up, if anyone thinks 1) he'll change or 2) we'll sack him for finishing around 14th each year I think you're mistaken. It's only fans action that would break this cycle e.g. falling attendances , bad feeling against Pulis. I could see this happening if we have a few more bad results simply because Pulis hasn't built up much good will with fans - he will never be a generally popular manager because of the sheer disregard for entertaining the fans he has - at one point , football was about trying to entertain but it's the lack of trying which is killing Pulis with many fans ......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 27, 2015, 09:07:26 AM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on December 27, 2015, 12:32:33 AM
If it's not Pulis' fault that his players can't pass then he really is a very unlucky manager, because after 10 years or so as the Stoke manager, none of our lot could pass either - and please make note of the timescales here. After many years of managing us, and after arguing that we just needed that bit more quality after spending the best part of £100m, he still had a team of Premier League players who were incapable of passing a ball.

The truth is, it's all about shape. The Pulis strategy is that your team must keep their shape at all times. This effectively cancels out any possibility of pass and move, because once you move, you lose your shape. So instead, what you have are statues which are easy to mark. So just how do you pass when no one's in any space. You can't, can you? So eventually, as a player, you're closed down. Then you pass to your nearest colleague. But he's got two men on him, so you lose the ball. That's because you're a Premier League player who can't pass, right? That's what the Pulisters would have you believe.

So, you've got players who can't pass, and a striker standing on his own, miles away from any of his colleagues who don't have the intelligence to make runs off the ball. Nothing to do with the Pulis cage that his midfield players are not allowed out of in case his defence is no longer protected by at least 4 more players.

Maybe you just need more quality. Maybe you need to spend another £8m on a centre half to play at full back (or on the bench), or another £30m to get you 3 points more than the derided Irvine got you at this point last year. Anyone who thinks that what's happening at your club is nothing to do with the tactics and way of operating that Pulis has lived by all his managerial career is not being honest with themselves.

It's what he does. Revel in the ugly mid-tableness he guarantees you. If that's what you enjoy, you're in for a treat. But if you want something more, don't let his acolytes convince you there's not a better way. Take it from this Stokie, there really is.

DK

Our team isn't scouted by looking at sources like heat map for our players movements it is done by looking at Google maps, rigid banks of four across the pitch.  :D

I've said under previous coaches that I had the confidence in the squads we had built that they had the talent and nouse to stay up and that we should have faith in the players ability. My concern at the moment is that we don't appear to have a squad that we can call upon but we have 13 or so players and a number of contracts that we are seeing out because Pulis has ostracised them. We prefer to play players out of place than use the squad, which is fine until you lose key players to the one way of playing that you train for.

I am not one for calling for sackings and I am not going to change that stance now but, despite his reputation, I am more fearful for a Premier League status than under any other previous coach.  Fortunately, I am also less bothered about it because the Premier League and our transition to the dark side to remain in it means I don't enjoy our games like I once used to anyway!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on December 27, 2015, 09:08:46 AM
Quote from: Dreamkiller on December 27, 2015, 12:32:33 AM
If it's not Pulis' fault that his players can't pass then he really is a very unlucky manager, because after 10 years or so as the Stoke manager, none of our lot could pass either - and please make note of the timescales here. After many years of managing us, and after arguing that we just needed that bit more quality after spending the best part of £100m, he still had a team of Premier League players who were incapable of passing a ball.

The truth is, it's all about shape. The Pulis strategy is that your team must keep their shape at all times. This effectively cancels out any possibility of pass and move, because once you move, you lose your shape. So instead, what you have are statues which are easy to mark. So just how do you pass when no one's in any space. You can't, can you? So eventually, as a player, you're closed down. Then you pass to your nearest colleague. But he's got two men on him, so you lose the ball. That's because you're a Premier League player who can't pass, right? That's what the Pulisters would have you believe.

So, you've got players who can't pass, and a striker standing on his own, miles away from any of his colleagues who don't have the intelligence to make runs off the ball. Nothing to do with the Pulis cage that his midfield players are not allowed out of in case his defence is no longer protected by at least 4 more players.

Maybe you just need more quality. Maybe you need to spend another £8m on a centre half to play at full back (or on the bench), or another £30m to get you 3 points more than the derided Irvine got you at this point last year. Anyone who thinks that what's happening at your club is nothing to do with the tactics and way of operating that Pulis has lived by all his managerial career is not being honest with themselves.

It's what he does. Revel in the ugly mid-tableness he guarantees you. If that's what you enjoy, you're in for a treat. But if you want something more, don't let his acolytes convince you there's not a better way. Take it from this Stokie, there really is.

DK

Your quote about Shape and passing and movement is bang on the money . It is quite clear that a lot of the training is geared towards shape , most of the players are struggling to deal with a ball properly now .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 27, 2015, 09:11:54 AM
Played much better when Macca came on I always thought Berahino gave us a bit more energy but then so would a fat santa full of mince pies in comparison to Lambert.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 27, 2015, 09:12:57 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on December 27, 2015, 09:02:57 AM
No but look forward to the future have a man lined up to replace him in the summer with a bit more excitement and ambition.

Oh I wish but I doubt that is on Peace's agenda either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on December 27, 2015, 09:17:04 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 27, 2015, 09:12:57 AM
Oh I wish but I doubt that is on Peace's agenda either.

To be honest it wouldn't be on mine either if pulis every year can secure the premiership payments he gets.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on December 27, 2015, 09:26:32 AM
I keep hearing about new arrivals in January...we managed somehow to Con Rondon to come to us...but after the last few performances how (apart from paying journeymen mercenaries) are we going to sell the club to any player with a modicum of talent !!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 27, 2015, 09:31:46 AM
Just emailed Peace to say fed up watching dross and negative teams and am unsure about my season ticket for next year. Also asked if he has tried taking a neutral or a young kid to an albion game recently.  £25 ticket,  £45 shirt, no shots and v few goals.

Don't want Pulis sacked but as someone said above need a good transfer window and at the start, not at Jan 31st. Get Bera out Jan 1st and make our signings asap. Do not wait to save £100,000. We need players on 1 1. 16

If we got 2 exciting quality wingers who don't dive, a cm who can pass, a cf with pace, a rb and lb we can play better football. We have become team with worst discipline because players are frustrated...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 27, 2015, 09:44:45 AM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on December 27, 2015, 09:31:46 AM
Just emailed Peace to say fed up watching dross and negative teams and am unsure about my season ticket for next year. Also asked if he has tried taking a neutral or a young kid to an albion game recently.  £25 ticket,  £45 shirt, no shots and v few goals.

Don't want Pulis sacked but as someone said above need a good transfer window and at the start, not at Jan 31st. Get Bera out Jan 1st and make our signings asap. Do not wait to save £100,000. We need players on 1 1. 16

If we got 2 exciting quality wingers who don't dive, a cm who can pass, a cf with pace, a rb and lb we can play better football. We have become team with worst discipline because players are frustrated...

Sorry mate but I think you're dreaming - if we sign one or two players we'll be lucky - I agree with you by the way but the club just don't do January signings under Peace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on December 27, 2015, 09:45:03 AM
100% NO!!! (give me strength  ::))

Up until last week (Bournmouth) we were on a decent run, we lost that primarily due to two players having a rush of blood to the head (two players who in fairness have worked their socks off all season).

Yesterday we were the better team, and were unlucky not to come away with at least a point (and yes, I was there and know it wasn't a great performance but we were definitely the better team on the day and how we let then off the hook I just don't know).

I know things are far from perfect but for me, considering Pulis's track record (he ain't managed a relegated club for a reason?) then to call for him to get the boot is just plain daft.

Anyway we've got two decent opportunities to get back on track tomorrow and on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 27, 2015, 09:45:32 AM
IMO, it doesn't all hang on the Newcastle game alone. The Newcastle/Stoke games need to be looked at together. Minimum of 2 points , and he'll be safe. 1 point or less and I think the ripple of discontentment on here will become a tsunami, and Peace will be forced to get rid to protect his investment ( in the same manner he got rid of RDM, Clarke, Irvine previously, when our top-flight status was under threat ). And garnering 1 point from the Newcastle/ Stoke games will have us in dangerous territory.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 27, 2015, 09:52:13 AM
The only way Pulis will go is if he doesn't get what he wants in the Jan window so personally I can see us doing a bit of business this time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 27, 2015, 09:54:06 AM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on December 27, 2015, 07:52:16 AM
Different manager + same core of players = same as!
You'd never cut wood with a blunt saw no matter who was using it!
This project is going to take time! We've been quite poor for years! Could be worse look at the Villa and for that matter Sunderland!
Great post , i thought that myself Yesterday.
Same old faces ,2 good games /4 missing .Looks like Pulis is in the line of managers fooled by some of ours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on December 27, 2015, 10:08:42 AM
Im not anti-Pulis by any means as I felt he was needed to deal with the problems we had at the club 12 months ago however yesterdays selection was poor to say the least and it was what I was fearing as soon as McClean had a red last week.

He spoke in the week about alternating the squad yet the only changes yesterday were an unneeded defensive change in the middle of the park and a forced one upfront.

We had a cracking period a month or so ago before Sess got injured where we looked more like the Palace side he had yet as soon as Sess got injured he reverted back to suit and weve hardly seen him start since hes returned from Injury.

Why move Brunt into the midfield when hes been a regular at full back and allows Evans (our best centreback) to move back into a centre.

Afterall Brunt wasnt playing in the midfield earlier in the season when McClean wasnt featuring.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on December 27, 2015, 10:12:21 AM
I suspect this relationship with Pulis will end up like the one the West Ham fans had with Allardyce. We will never like him and his style of play. I don't expect him to go this season but I would very much like him to leave in May and allow us time to bring in somebody to build a different kind of team playing a more modern style of football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 27, 2015, 10:30:22 AM
Quote from: Brummie Road on December 27, 2015, 09:45:03 AM
100% NO!!! (give me strength  ::))

Up until last week (Bournmouth) we were on a decent run, we lost that primarily due to two players having a rush of blood to the head (two players who in fairness have worked their socks off all season).

Yesterday we were the better team, and were unlucky not to come away with at least a point (and yes, I was there and know it wasn't a great performance but we were definitely the better team on the day and how we let then off the hook I just don't know).

I know things are far from perfect but for me, considering Pulis's track record (he ain't managed a relegated club for a reason?) then to call for him to get the boot is just plain daft.

Anyway we've got two decent opportunities to get back on track tomorrow and on Saturday.

In my opinion what is plain daft is to assume that Pulis will somehow guarantee survival.

Given Mourinho's track record who would have thought Chelsea would struggle this season, yet they did to the point where he was sacked, my hope is that Peace will also act before it is to late.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on December 27, 2015, 10:30:50 AM
I was worried to see a long throw from Dawson yesterday....visions of him working on that daily in training.
With no creativity in midfield and no pace at fullback we really don't look like creating chances. Depressingly, the dependence on set pieces for goals is likely to increase.
The number 1 thing I would like in the transfer window is a DM to replace Yacob, who can pick a pass and get us moving forward.
Yacob is good at protecting the back four but he always plays the simplest pass available which often means playing it back to G-Mac / Olsson and we know what their distribution is like.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on December 27, 2015, 10:32:28 AM
Exactly 12 months into a lucrative 3 year deal, there's no way he will be sacked. Even in the event of relagation Peace will give him a year to try and get back up in my opinion.

Pulis may walk if he doesn't get financial backing in January, I wouldn't personally give him another penny after the shambles of the Summr regardless of the Berahino situation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 27, 2015, 10:34:55 AM
As with Roy the way we set means you need a wide option to break with the ball , McClean has done well in that role as has Sess until the injury. What on earth Pulis was playing at with Brunt and Gardner supporting Lambert i will never know.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on December 27, 2015, 10:43:30 AM
Quote from: Adder on December 27, 2015, 10:30:50 AM
I was worried to see a long throw from Dawson yesterday....visions of him working on that daily in training.
With no creativity in midfield and no pace at fullback we really don't look like creating chances. Depressingly, the dependence on set pieces for goals is likely to increase.
The number 1 thing I would like in the transfer window is a DM to replace Yacob, who can pick a pass and get us moving forward.
Yacob is good at protecting the back four but he always plays the simplest pass available which often means playing it back to G-Mac / Olsson and we know what their distribution is like.

You wait till we start getting the ball boys lined up with towels around the pitch and sign Peter Crouch in January.  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 27, 2015, 11:08:34 AM
his tactics and negative approach is the problem for me, also we've got to do a lot better in the transfer market because this core group of players have also seen off a few managers.
want him replaced at the end of this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 27, 2015, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on December 27, 2015, 11:08:34 AM
his tactics and negative approach is the problem for me, also we've got to do a lot better in the transfer market because this core group of players have also seen off a few managers.
want him replaced at the end of this season.

I mentioned this yesterday but why do we keep giving them new contracts instead of replacing them? Our core of Brunt, Gardner, Morrison, Olsson, Dawson and McAuley have been regulars for a while now in a side that has struggled. Until we upgrade on these we will continue to struggle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 27, 2015, 11:44:15 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on December 27, 2015, 11:14:43 AM
I mentioned this yesterday but why do we keep giving them new contracts instead of replacing them? Our core of Brunt, Gardner, Morrison, Olsson, Dawson and McAuley have been regulars for a while now in a side that has struggled. Until we upgrade on these we will continue to struggle.
I agree and they've been great servants to our club but they are not our future. to take the club forward these players need replacing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on December 27, 2015, 12:00:49 PM
This is a little off-topic, but the thing which dissapoints me is that when he came in, we were one point off the bottom three with Irvine. If we lose tomorrow, it will be a very similar situation.

So in one year, that would mean no progress in terms of our relegation threat. The annoying thing is, that I thought Pulis came in and did excellent last season, he didn't spend much, got us the most clean sheets in the league, and the football was genuinely better than it is now, in terms of style and results. This was before spending about £30 million.
To be brutally honest, I don't know why we've gone backwards under Pulis. You'd think if anything, based on last season with more money, he'd be improving us - but it clearly hasn't worked like that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on December 27, 2015, 12:09:31 PM
Just my humble opinion...
Personally I would bring in Sessegnon for Gardner (no brainer) but then I'd also try Chester for Dawson. In the summer it was widely regarded that Chester would replace Dawson at right back. He played there once when we got battered to City but unlike McLean, wasn't given a second chance.
Instead he was put in centre back where he is physically too small and got bullied, however out-wide he will not have to face big strikers and will be at ease. He's more mobile than Dawson and has a better passing range, so I would definitely change it.
As said however, if Dawson can do a long throw it probably further cements him as a starter however!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 27, 2015, 12:47:15 PM
£40 million spent and only 3 points better off than at the same stage last season, when Irvine was sacked.  Yesterday was atrocious and for him to come out and say 'we gave it a real good go' is a f**king insult to those that traveled.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on December 27, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on December 27, 2015, 12:09:31 PM
Just my humble opinion...
Personally I would bring in Sessegnon for Gardner (no brainer) but then I'd also try Chester for Dawson. In the summer it was widely regarded that Chester would replace Dawson at right back. He played there once when we got battered to City but unlike McLean, wasn't given a second chance.
Instead he was put in centre back where he is physically too small and got bullied, however out-wide he will not have to face big strikers and will be at ease. He's more mobile than Dawson and has a better passing range, so I would definitely change it.
As said however, if Dawson can do a long throw it probably further cements him as a starter however!
another foooook up by TP in transfer window Chester was supposed to be one of our starting center halves but can't get in team that's got count them 4 center halves in starting lineup and ships goals for fun. Can't give this Muppet another transfer window or will be playing with 8 center halves
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 01:06:06 PM
Quote from: paulosull on December 27, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
another foooook up by TP in transfer window Chester was supposed to be one of our starting center halves but can't get in team that's got count them 4 center halves in starting lineup and ships goals for fun. Can't give this Muppet another transfer window or will be playing with 8 center halves

Chester was signed as a possible full back, something he was aware of when he signed and was perfectly happy to come knowing that and that it would take time for him to come in. Dawson has been doing okay there hence Chester has not been playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 27, 2015, 01:21:02 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 01:06:06 PM
Chester was signed as a possible full back, something he was aware of when he signed and was perfectly happy to come knowing that and that it would take time for him to come in. Dawson has been doing okay there hence Chester has not been playing.

Yep, that's my understanding too. Why we spent £8m on a central defender to convert him to a right back is another question.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 01:22:05 PM
Quote from: frazzle on December 27, 2015, 01:21:02 PM
Yep, that's my understanding too. Why we spent £8m on a central defender to convert him to a right back is another question.

No I don't get it but he did spend time playing there for Hull last season so is not too unfamiliar with the role.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 27, 2015, 01:26:10 PM
That's the £8m question. He also signed a CB to play RB who will add nothing going going forward in a team which desperately lacked width - really strange - oh for a proper RB and LB who could even occasionally add something to attacks!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 01:27:41 PM
Quote from: darbolina on December 27, 2015, 01:26:10 PM
That's the £8m question. He also signed a CB to play RB who will add nothing going going forward in a team which desperately lacked width - really strange - oh for a proper RB and LB who could even occasionally add something to attacks!

I think the two full backs we have get forward very well and add plenty. Brunt is like a new player and puts better balls over than he has done for many a while.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 27, 2015, 01:29:05 PM
Agree on Brunt, though he's not great defensively. Dawson has done better than I would have thought. Neither of them are good enough at this level though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on December 27, 2015, 01:54:30 PM
The fact he pays 8 million on a decent centre half to try to convert him into a full back in itself should ensure JP gives him no more money to waste. He as signed 4 players who barely get a look in and MacLean is nothing more than a work horse. Fletcher would do a good job with a more mobile player next to him and johnny Evans alongside GMAC looks solid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 27, 2015, 02:01:13 PM
The horrible playing style is one thing. Wasting money on squad players that don't take us on is another thing. Besides Evans I don't really think Pulis has signed anybody that has improved us.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 27, 2015, 02:07:13 PM
He is just arrogant.
He won't change his style...He would rather bully the players to do as he says, rather than let them use their skills.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 27, 2015, 02:11:32 PM
I am surprised that people genuinely believe that signing a few players is going to change the way we play. It won't the basic mindset is a negative one of trying not to lose rather than trying to win. Throw any player you like into the mix and it wouldn't change.

Given the players we are likely to attract particularly in January I suspect it is it is the equivalent of whistling in the dark it keeps the whistlers spirits up and makes it a little bit less foreboding but it is still just as dark.

Equally I wouldn't condemn Pulis's signings particularly attacking ones they might be quite good if they were given some service and or allowed to get forward. For instance I was watching Stoke the other day and it turns out that Glen Whelan can actually pass the ball, who would have guessed that? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 27, 2015, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on December 27, 2015, 02:01:13 PM
The horrible playing style is one thing. Wasting money on squad players that don't take us on is another thing. Besides Evans I don't really think Pulis has signed anybody that has improved us.

Interesting statement, I'd say Rondon and Macca are improvements on what we already had, although Rondon has a thankless task playing up front in our side while Macca simply isn't utlilised enough.  Fletcher is a great captain and leader but footballing wise has he improved our central midfield? Hmm debatable.  I think Chester is a more capable footballer than Dawson and Olsson but again isn't fancied by Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on December 27, 2015, 02:45:25 PM
yesterday the slowest most negative line up possible and we all knew it would exactly be that,in fact its probably the slowest 11 in the top three tiers of English football he put out we had no chance of winning
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 27, 2015, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on December 27, 2015, 07:52:16 AM
Different manager + same core of players = same as!
You'd never cut wood with a blunt saw no matter who was using it!
This project is going to take time! We've been quite poor for years! Could be worse look at the Villa and for that matter Sunderland!
We've signed 20 players over the past 2 seasons (see source below). Is there really any excuse for a deficient core of players to still exist? Of those 20 players signed, 4 are currently being selected in Pulis's preferred starting XI.....

Transfers: Transfermarkt.co.uk (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/west-bromwich-albion/transfers/verein/984/plus/0?saison_id=2014&pos=&detailpos=)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 04:46:03 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on December 27, 2015, 04:38:33 PM
We've signed 20 players over the past 2 seasons (see source below). Is there really any excuse for a deficient core of players to still exist? Of those 20 players signed, 4 are currently being selected in Pulis's preferred starting XI.....

Transfers: Transfermarkt.co.uk (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/west-bromwich-albion/transfers/verein/984/plus/0?saison_id=2014&pos=&detailpos=)

How many of those did Pulis actually sign?  Burton and Day were an absolute joke with their signings
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 27, 2015, 04:47:19 PM
His worse run of results i hear
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 27, 2015, 05:10:04 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 01:27:41 PM
I think the two full backs we have get forward very well and add plenty. Brunt is like a new player and puts better balls over than he has done for many a while.

He can't defend without protection in front of him, the same goes for Dawson.

They have both done ok at times, nothing more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 27, 2015, 05:11:37 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 04:46:03 PM
How many of those did Pulis actually sign?  Burton and Day were an absolute joke with their signings
Pulis has spent £40million and has been in the job for a year, longer than Mel and Irvine put together, when are people going to stop blaming former regimes and the old guard and accept that Pulis is just as culpable as anyone else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on December 27, 2015, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on December 27, 2015, 05:11:37 PM
Pulis has spent £40million and has been in the job for a year, longer than Mel and Irvine put together, when are people going to stop blaming former regimes and the old guard and accept that Pulis is just as culpable as anyone else.

Cant argue with that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 05:19:05 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on December 27, 2015, 05:11:37 PM
Pulis has spent £40million and has been in the job for a year, longer than Mel and Irvine put together, when are people going to stop blaming former regimes and the old guard and accept that Pulis is just as culpable as anyone else.

He has a part to play but former regimes whether coaches or those above also have a major part to play. Not one single person is to blame just as not one single person is blameless, combination of inexperienced/ un tested people out of their depth combined with mis-management at all levels of the club leave us where we are.

Not a quick fix at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 27, 2015, 05:21:55 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on December 27, 2015, 05:11:37 PM
Pulis has spent £40million and has been in the job for a year, longer than Mel and Irvine put together, when are people going to stop blaming former regimes and the old guard and accept that Pulis is just as culpable as anyone else.
I'm not happy with a number of things and at 230 pm if i see Gardner starting you'll hear me screaming in the East Stand but 1 year was never going to put 3 or 4 years of bad choices right.
Not defending Pulis but our transfers before he came were poor , not much better now but at least the bulk has gone on Evans and Rondon who i both rate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 05:30:35 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on December 27, 2015, 04:47:19 PM
Is worse run of results i hear

What does that mean?  Last 5 games includes an "unbeaten in 3" with draws at West Ham and Liverpool and home to Spurs!   A nonsense statistic.  That "unbeaten in 3" was also preceded by a win over Arsenal.   For those who are actually interested, it's 6 points from the last 6 games, all earned in 4 games from teams who were in the top 7 when we played them!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 05:32:56 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on December 27, 2015, 05:11:37 PM
Pulis has spent £40million and has been in the job for a year, longer than Mel and Irvine put together, when are people going to stop blaming former regimes and the old guard and accept that Pulis is just as culpable as anyone else.

He arrived after the January transfer window had already started and his summer rebuilding plans were torpedoed by the Berahino saga when it was only halfway complete.   This one is the big window for him, assuming that Berahino can be sold for a decent sum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 06:00:26 PM
Despite some not agreeing this forum is not going to allow possible replacements of a manager whilst we have one in charge, never have done, never will do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 27, 2015, 06:05:21 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 06:00:26 PM
Despite some not agreeing this forum is not going to allow possible replacements of a manager whilst we have one in charge, never have done, never will do.

So you couldn't have just taken that bit out and left the comments about Pulis?

Take off, nuke the site from orbit, only way to be sure.  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 27, 2015, 06:05:46 PM
I sense the fans really turning against him. We deserve a team who tries to attack more than this. If we don't win and show signs of improvement in the next three home matches I think the fans will really want the back of his horribly negative football quickly. I've been one of the relatively patient ones but i really think he's losing the plot with team selections , tactics and not getting results either - perhaps he's bottling it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 06:08:19 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on December 27, 2015, 06:05:21 PM
So you couldn't have just taken that bit out and left the comments about Pulis?

Take off, nuke the site from orbit, only way to be sure.  :P

Whatever we do we can't win so why bother editing when its easier to remove the lot ??  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 27, 2015, 06:10:46 PM
Aha...The censor's pen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on December 27, 2015, 06:10:46 PM
Aha...The censor's pen.

Nowt to do with censorship, its about trying to be a bit respectful to someone still in a job just as we did with the bloke before him by not allowing him to be called Alan F****n Irvine.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 27, 2015, 06:17:55 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 06:12:51 PM
Nowt to do with censorship, its about trying to be a bit respectful to someone still in a job just as we did with the bloke before him by not allowing him to be called Alan F****n Irvine.
Or the Spanish waiter ones we had to remove after a bad defeat/performance under Mel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 27, 2015, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 06:12:51 PM
Nowt to do with censorship, its about trying to be a bit respectful to someone still in a job just as we did with the bloke before him by not allowing him to be called Alan F****n Irvine.
I totally agree with censoring bad language.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 06:19:32 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on December 27, 2015, 06:18:23 PM
I totally agree with censoring bad language.

I'm disappointed you removed your post earlier but can I point out you were wrong and it would have been Graham Dorrans not Darren Fletcher  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 27, 2015, 06:21:33 PM
I removed it, because it was aimed at yourself, and I don't think that is fair.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 06:25:23 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on December 27, 2015, 06:21:33 PM
I removed it, because it was aimed at yourself, and I don't think that is fair.

It was harmless and made me laugh  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 27, 2015, 06:27:21 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2015, 06:25:23 PM
It was harmless and made me laugh  :D
I am a gentle soul.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 27, 2015, 08:29:38 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on December 27, 2015, 02:33:06 PM
Interesting statement, I'd say Rondon and Macca are improvements on what we already had, although Rondon has a thankless task playing up front in our side while Macca simply isn't utlilised enough.  Fletcher is a great captain and leader but footballing wise has he improved our central midfield? Hmm debatable.  I think Chester is a more capable footballer than Dawson and Olsson but again isn't fancied by Pulis.

Is rondon that much better than Ideye was? Hasn't looked overly like scoring could have and should have sealed the poińs for us v spurs and Liverpool. Puts a shift as did Shane long.

Mcmannaman isn't as good as sess can't last more than a hour a game and dives too much which is why he doesn't get played. Fletcher is one of our biggest downfalls in the team for captaincy alone and not much else. Would rather Yacob in there with Morrison.

Seen no evidence that James Chester looks any better than Dawson however I appreciate he hasn't figured much. The likes of McLean should be coming in as a squad player not a starter.

Squad needs a full overhall. We need to improve and evolve. I have nothing agaiabt Mcauley Olsson brunt and Morrison in fact I'm full of respect and admiration for what I see as true club men. However we haven't ever improved on them or looked to evolve this is part of the problem we have been down the bottom last 2 years and part of the reason we are struggling again this- I don't believe even with a more proactive coach we would fair any better.

Pulis needs to stop wasting money clear out his deadwood and actually evolve us or he isn't offering much to the job for me. It's the marriage of convince we need to stay in the league for the big money

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 27, 2015, 08:31:42 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 05:32:56 PM
He arrived after the January transfer window had already started and his summer rebuilding plans were torpedoed by the Berahino saga when it was only halfway complete.   This one is the big window for him, assuming that Berahino can be sold for a decent sum.
Alan Irvine wasn't even in charge of transfers and was here for just 6 months and by the way we were only 3 points worse off under him, were you so understanding and forgiving with him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 08:45:39 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on December 27, 2015, 08:31:42 PM
Alan Irvine wasn't even in charge of transfers and was here for just 6 months and by the way we were only 3 points worse off under him, were you so understanding and forgiving with him?

Not particularly,but I felt more sorry for him than anything else.  He was way out of his depth and shouldn't have been given the job in the first place.  It wasn't his fault, and he is a very decent man, but it was a truly woeful appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 08:50:44 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on December 27, 2015, 08:29:38 PM
Is rondon that much better than Ideye was? Hasn't looked overly like scoring could have and should have sealed the poińs for us v spurs and Liverpool. Puts a shift as did Shane long.

Mcmannaman isn't as good as sess can't last more than a hour a game and dives too much which is why he doesn't get played. Fletcher is one of our biggest downfalls in the team for captaincy alone and not much else. Would rather Yacob in there with Morrison.

Seen no evidence that James Chester looks any better than Dawson however I appreciate he hasn't figured much. The likes of McLean should be coming in as a squad player not a starter.

Squad needs a full overhall. We need to improve and evolve. I have nothing agaiabt Mcauley Olsson brunt and Morrison in fact I'm full of respect and admiration for what I see as true club men. However we haven't ever improved on them or looked to evolve this is part of the problem we have been down the bottom last 2 years and part of the reason we are struggling again this- I don't believe even with a more proactive coach we would fair any better.

Pulis needs to stop wasting money clear out his deadwood and actually evolve us or he isn't offering much to the job for me. It's the marriage of convince we need to stay in the league for the big money

Are we really struggling though?  We are never likely to be finish more than 8-10 points above the bottom 3.  With 3 points for a win, the margins are very tight.  A run of 4-5 losses is very dangerous.  If we finish 14th/15th we are "on par".  Anything better than that is a bonus.   Almost by definition we will always be flirting with relegation until March/April at the earliest. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on December 27, 2015, 08:52:24 PM
It would seem that fans everywhere have an opinion on Tony Pulis. Every discussion comes back to him, and everyone has their own ideas on what he does or doesn't do for the club.

Gone are the days where you could avoid discussing team selections and maybe you could just chat about which player was playing well or the chances we had against such and such an opponent. Everything comes back to Pulis. He is simply such a divisive character. Our fan base is being almost torn apart, and regardless of whether you're for or against the man, it isn't good.

Yes of course in the past we've had points where a managers job is up for discussion, or a very small minority that are unhappy we a certain manager, but for the last 12 months pretty much, all anyone ever talks about is the man in the cap.

Things may be slightly different if Pulis' style was getting us more wins than we currently are, but of late it has not only been hard work watching, we're not getting the results. I have been a supporter of Pulis and his methods, as he has proven he will keep teams up season after season, and I am still sure he was the right appointment at the right time. However I did envisage that with his own players, his style will have been adapted to allow for flair players to their thing once in a while as well setting up to a job defensively. Whether this can be achieved given another couple of transfer windows, who knows, but I think I'm beginning to doubt it.

Simply for the sake of most peoples sanity, it would be great if we could avoid discussing the manager in every WBA debate. That time will only come however once Pulis has been sacked or leaves.

I think the idea of 'keep him this season and look to change things up in the summer' is probably the best bet, but there are so many things to consider, including the DoF role, player recruitment, the fact we'll need a new coaching team if he goes etc etc. This whole Pulis decision is certainly not quite as simple as the Irvine one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on December 27, 2015, 08:53:17 PM
Is it solely Pulis fault though?  If you rewind to Pepe Mel the 1st thing he noticed was the squad was too slow and couldn't pass the ball effectively.  The next thing we know certain individuals closed ranks on him to safeguard their jobs culminating with PM losing his job. 

Why do we fail to upgrade the quality of the players?  Why do we persist with such an old squad and therefore a chronic lack of pace?  How come Spurs can find Delli Alli, Leicester - Mahrez, Southampton - Mane, Watford - Ighalo etc all for peanuts.
It's like we're a retirement home for players winding down their career. 

The next thing I hear is clubs like Everton looking to sign George Thorne who wasn't even given a chance due to the likes of Morrison blocking his path.  Can Nabi really be any worse than Lambert right now?  I never wanted Lambert last Summer it was clear he was over the hill. 

It seems like the club is doing its level best for players that should've departed long ago.  If we hired Mourinho tomorrow he wouldn't be able to improve the points ratio with this sorry bunch. 

The other point is the agenda the officials have against WBA which we never complain about, it's cost us the last 2 matches, pathetic.  We are continually the unwanted guests at a party.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 09:03:46 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on December 27, 2015, 08:53:17 PM
Is it solely Pulis fault though?  If you rewind to Pepe Mel the 1st thing he noticed was the squad was too slow and couldn't pass the ball effectively.  The next thing we know certain individuals closed ranks on him to safeguard their jobs culminating with PM losing his job. 

Why do we fail to upgrade the quality of the players?  Why do we persist with such an old squad and therefore a chronic lack of pace?  How come Spurs can find Delli Alli, Leicester - Mahrez, Southampton - Mane, Watford - Ighalo etc all for peanuts.
It's like we're a retirement home for players winding down their career. 

The next thing I hear is clubs like Everton looking to sign George Thorne who wasn't even given a chance due to the likes of Morrison blocking his path.  Can Nabi really be any worse than Lambert right now?  I never wanted Lambert last Summer it was clear he was over the hill. 

It seems like the club is doing its level best for players that should've departed long ago.  If we hired Mourinho tomorrow he wouldn't be able to improve the points ratio with this sorry bunch. 

The other point is the agenda the officials have against WBA which we never complain about, it's cost us the last 2 matches, pathetic.  We are continually the unwanted guests at a party.

Is that the same points ratio which will see us finishing somewhere around 14th if we maintain it?

Just over a month ago we beat Arsenal at home.  Two weekends ago we conceded a deflected 97th minute equaliser at Liverpool.  In between we drew away at West Ham and Spurs were lucky to get a point here.  We aren't getting results?  So where are the points coming from?  We are averaging just over 1.1 points per game, which will bring us 42 points.

The only rationale for getting rid of Pulis is his negative style and tactics.  Otherwise he is doing the job he was brought in to do - keep us up.





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on December 27, 2015, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 09:03:46 PM
Is that the same points ratio which will see us finishing somewhere around 14th if we maintain it?

Just over a month ago we beat Arsenal at home.  Two weekends ago we conceded a deflected 97th minute equaliser at Liverpool.  In between we drew away at West Ham and Spurs were lucky to get a point here.  We aren't getting results?  So where are the points coming from?  We are averaging just over 1.1 points per game, which will bring us 42 points.

The only rationale for getting rid of Pulis is his negative style and tactics.  Otherwise he is doing the job he was brought in to do - keep us up.

My point is why should we settle for 17th?  Leicester didn't have that rationale last August, nor Palace nor Southampton nor Watford. 

It seems to me there is no ambition at all from the top.  We are limping along looking to pick up colossal TV money and nothing more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on December 27, 2015, 09:13:30 PM

My point is why should we settle for 17th?  Leicester didn't have that rationale last August, nor Palace nor Southampton nor Watford. 

It seems to me there is no ambition at all from the top.  We are limping along looking to pick up colossal TV money and nothing more.

I don't think we do settle for 17th, but that, whether we like it or not, is the holy grail.  Staying in the PL is everything.  How much would we need to spend to aim for top 8?  The likes of Leicester, Palace and Southampton are owned by owners with much deeper pockets than Peace.  We have consistently finished in the 10th-14th range but with everyone else spending a lot more it may well be that 14th-17th is becoming more realistic for us.

Villa tried to spend big to break through to the top tier under O'Neill and it has killed them as they failed and Lerner could not maintain it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 09:59:06 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on December 27, 2015, 09:48:59 PM


Several clubs can have a big season without spending big. Us under Clarke (until Xmas), Southampton last year, Leicester and Watford this year.  Nobody has sustained it though. That's a lot harder to achieve as top players get picked off by the big clubs.  Just look at everyone just waiting to grab Vardy and Mahrez now.

Agree with you re our scouting.  It's been awful since Ashworth left.   Although I'm not bothered by players doing well at Walsall.  That doesn't mean they would cut it in the Championship, let alone the Premier League.

It's far too early to blame Pulis for scouting deficiencies.  He only got rid of Burton and Day in the summer.  Evans was a superb signing, McClean pretty good so far, Lambert and Chester poor, probably McManaman as well.  No idea re Lindegaard yet.  I'd say Fletcher was a decent signing. Rondon needs better service to assess him properly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: allenkevanastle on December 27, 2015, 10:04:41 PM
I vowed some time ago not to make any more comment on Pulis as he is our manager and that's it - whatever I think - but after watching that insipid, tame, dreary and slow attempt to beat a very, very poor Swansea team I find it too hard to hold the anger in. Fletcher, Gardner, and Yacob playing centrally when none of them can control or pass a ball accurately? Really?
Brunt and Lambert, with their blistering pace, to take on a defence devoid of confidence? Have Morrison play god-knows-where (he didn't)?
Keep ball carrying, attacking players such as Sess and McMan and our best goal scorer  flattening his growing backside on the bench 'til late on? What?
Play our classiest player and best central defender out of position again? What????
When we pushed on a bit we began to look better (mainly because they were so poor and kept giving us the ball) and showed what we should have done from the start, TRY TO WIN.
Good luck to you folk who want to carry on watching this stuff.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on December 27, 2015, 10:14:31 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 09:59:06 PM
Several clubs can have a big season without spending big. Us under Clarke (until Xmas), Southampton last year, Leicester and Watford this year.  Nobody has sustained it though. That's a lot harder to achieve as top players get picked off by the big clubs.  Just look at everyone just waiting to grab Vardy and Mahrez now.

Agree with you re our scouting.  It's been awful since Ashworth left.   Although I'm not bothered by players doing well at Walsall.  That doesn't mean they would cut it in the Championship, let alone the Premier League.

It's far too early to blame Pulis for scouting deficiencies.  He only got rid of Burton and Day in the summer.  Evans was a superb signing, McClean pretty good so far, Lambert and Chester poor, probably McManaman as well.  No idea re Lindegaard yet.  I'd say Fletcher was a decent signing. Rondon needs better service to assess him properly.

The thing I don't get at Albion is why we retain the same core of players season after season?  They are hindering the development of recent signings and youngsters in the reserves.  I don't see it happening at other clubs.  We have player turnover but appearances are so fleeting in some cases you can't make judgement.  Is this the work of Pulis, who knows?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 10:20:16 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on December 27, 2015, 10:14:31 PM
The thing I don't get at Albion is why we retain the same core of players season after season?  They are hindering the development of recent signings and youngsters in the reserves.  I don't see it happening at other clubs.  We have player turnover but appearances are so fleeting in some cases you can't make judgement.  Is this the work of Pulis, who knows?

Well, it can't be the work of Pulis as he's only been here a year.  I think it's the effect of having so many changes of manager. Di Matteo, Hodgson, Clarke, Mel, Irvine and now Pulis.  Nobody has been here long enough to oversee a squad rebuilding programme and so it's been all about the today, and forget the tomorrow.  I'm sure it is why our Academy hasn't seen too many graduates breaking through.  Nobody is able to take a 3-year view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on December 27, 2015, 10:28:55 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 10:20:16 PM
Well, it can't be the work of Pulis as he's only been here a year.  I think it's the effect of having so many changes of manager. Di Matteo, Hodgson, Clarke, Mel, Irvine and now Pulis.  Nobody has been here long enough to oversee a squad rebuilding programme and so it's been all about the today, and forget the tomorrow.  I'm sure it is why our Academy hasn't seen too many graduates breaking through.  Nobody is able to take a 3-year view.

It's getting to the stage now where things need to change.  Players over 30: Foster, Myhill, McAuley, Olsson, Brunt, Morrison, Fletcher, Lambert.

I think Mel genuinely wanted to change but as we know this was rejected out of hand.

The common denominator in this is Peace and the TV money.  Someone is going to have to take the gamble but the gamble in a squad overhaul could work if you get it right as Leicester have proved.

My worry is Pulis is not the risk taking sort.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 10:38:56 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on December 27, 2015, 10:28:55 PM
It's getting to the stage now where things need to change.  Players over 30: Foster, Myhill, McAuley, Olsson, Brunt, Morrison, Fletcher, Lambert.

I think Mel genuinely wanted to change but as we know this was rejected out of hand.

The common denominator in this is Peace and the TV money.  Someone is going to have to take the gamble but the gamble in a squad overhaul could work if you get it right as Leicester have proved.

My worry is Pulis is not the risk taking sort.

Am not worried about keepers being over 30 as most peak in their 30s and play on till late 30s.  The rest are definitely a fast-growing concern.

Peace certainly isn't the gambling type, let alone Pulis.   Although you could say that Peace gambled with several managers/head coaches.  I think it's more like he took the cheaper option on several occasions.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: allenkevanastle on December 27, 2015, 10:49:57 PM
Forget youngsters with Mr Pulis. May as well save money and shut the academy now. Part of the reason I was totally appalled when he was appointed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on December 27, 2015, 10:57:23 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 27, 2015, 10:38:56 PM
Am not worried about keepers being over 30 as most peak in their 30s and play on till late 30s.  The rest are definitely a fast-growing concern.

Peace certainly isn't the gambling type, let alone Pulis.   Although you could say that Peace gambled with several managers/head coaches.  I think it's more like he took the cheaper option on several occasions.   

Yep and that's why we've struggled since Hodgson, a succession of cheap managers with little ambition, yes men really.  I think Peace realised his mistake and ultimately was scared with the close shaves against relegation and appointed a more experienced man this time.

We could've had Ranieri a few years ago had we have showed ambition.  You reap what you sow and we've set ourselves up to finish 4th bottom as a worst case scenario.  Certainly not exciting for the fans but for Pulis his remit is to escape relegation and Peace wouldn't care which way the objective is achieved I.e. Playing style.

How Peace must have been angry at Odemwingie and Lukaku for scoring the goals
that elevated us to a level of which he would be uncomfortable at.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 28, 2015, 02:27:04 AM
Quote from: GREGMT on December 27, 2015, 10:57:23 PM
Yep and that's why we've struggled since Hodgson, a succession of cheap managers with little ambition, yes men really.  I think Peace realised his mistake and ultimately was scared with the close shaves against relegation and appointed a more experienced man this time.

We could've had Ranieri a few years ago had we have showed ambition.  You reap what you sow and we've set ourselves up to finish 4th bottom as a worst case scenario.  Certainly not exciting for the fans but for Pulis his remit is to escape relegation and Peace wouldn't care which way the objective is achieved I.e. Playing style.

How Peace must have been angry at Odemwingie and Lukaku for scoring the goals
that elevated us to a level of which he would be uncomfortable at.
are we ignoring the fact he went to Monaco? you can claim as much future ambition as a you want, Monaco had everything there and then. They were and still are a better option. better salary + it's a tax haven, better location, more money towards the team with more pull factors for players (see location), ligue 1 expectation but allowed to build the team how he wanted in ligue 2 with the resources to actually follow through... between the two we had no chance. Before their interest, it was almost a certainty he was coming to us, there wasn't a better option, much like Leicester when his Greece job fell through, if a comparative team wanted him, i doubt he'd be there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ahandpatsy on December 28, 2015, 07:56:53 AM
so after a year of Pulis what has happened in summary

well we just had to get him to avoid relegation and keep us in the prem didn't we ?

his football and methods was/is preached to be the only way

so far what we have achieved is as follows

3 points off relegation place

i have given up my season ticket

away attendance figures lower

i can't even watch us on the internet on a saturday anymore

become everybodies pub team when we used to be admired for our football

Fans in fighting with each other about Pulisball

Thank you Tone happy anniversary

twonk
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2015, 09:04:05 AM
Quote from: GREGMT on December 27, 2015, 10:14:31 PM
The thing I don't get at Albion is why we retain the same core of players season after season?  They are hindering the development of recent signings and youngsters in the reserves.  I don't see it happening at other clubs.  We have player turnover but appearances are so fleeting in some cases you can't make judgement.  Is this the work of Pulis, who knows?
What other clubs do you not see it happening at or are you just not looking?

It has happened with coaches previous to Pulis (11 new WBA Premier League caps under Irvine) and to even be fair to Pulis he has given new caps to 9 players but there is a reason we play with experienced players. It's called experience and it is the reason we remain a Premier League side even when the inexperience of coaches like Pepe Mel (or Irvine ::)) potentially threaten it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brummyroader on December 28, 2015, 10:55:27 AM
One of my biggest issues with TP is that during the summer he gave out a message that he really wanted to move the club on and the 50 point target was mentioned once again, I'm not naïve enough to think we would suddenly be a top 10 club but undoubtedly that was and is the aim. However his methods on the whole are far apart of achieving this, two games ago I have to admit I was rather happy with him after the point at Anfield and the good run we had been on, ultimately though you improve because you win games against teams below you. As we know good points against 'better' teams do not shoot you up the table, wins against Bournemouth and Swansea certainly would although 4 points would have been very good. Setting up as we do against stronger sides I have no problem with as I'm sure a lot on here would agree with, but going to Swansea with the 11 we put out is just appalling with their mini crisis. Does he really think that this is the way to progress and make West Brom into a mini force in the Premier League? I am beginning to lose patience and honestly think we will lose today and I'm normally optimistic, Newcastle will attack from the start and I can see a horrible 1-3 coming up. His consistent use of 13/14 players is shocking too, Gamboa could be used at RM for a start instead of Gardner. His stubbornness is there for all to see, we are reliant on around 4 players week in week out. I would not blame Peace if he did not spend decent money in Jan, Chester and C Mac is a big outlay for no reward. He needs to get back on track before level headed and patient fans change their minds otherwise home games starting from today could have an unbearable atmosphere. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on December 28, 2015, 10:59:23 AM
TP certainly seems to have got the media under his little thumb. Why aren't our journos brave enough to slate him for boring the pants off fans who have been weaned on attacking football?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on December 28, 2015, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2015, 09:04:05 AM
What other clubs do you not see it happening at or are you just not looking?

It has happened with coaches previous to Pulis (11 new WBA Premier League caps under Irvine) and to even be fair to Pulis he has given new caps to 9 players but there is a reason we play with experienced players. It's called experience and it is the reason we remain a Premier League side even when the inexperience of coaches like Pepe Mel (or Irvine ::)) potentially threaten it.

Yes the experience has worked over a period of 4 or 5 seasons.  We're now getting to the stage where some or all are going to have to be replaced or we'll fall through the trap door.  Which is pretty much what happened in 1985/86.  The team is getting less mobile as time moves on.  We wouldn't guaranteed to be related with a young side, it's all about quality of player.

Leicester, Watford, Palace have had high player turnover and it's worked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on December 28, 2015, 11:29:59 AM
Quote from: royhan on December 28, 2015, 10:59:23 AM
TP certainly seems to have got the media under his little thumb. Why aren't our journos brave enough to slate him for boring the pants off fans who have been weaned on attacking football?

Because privileges get removed, they dont get asked to the club for meetings etc so the press are pooh scared to report certain things
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 28, 2015, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2015, 09:04:05 AM
What other clubs do you not see it happening at or are you just not looking?

It has happened with coaches previous to Pulis (11 new WBA Premier League caps under Irvine) and to even be fair to Pulis he has given new caps to 9 players but there is a reason we play with experienced players. It's called experience and it is the reason we remain a Premier League side even when the inexperience of coaches like Pepe Mel (or Irvine ::)) potentially threaten it.

Caps?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 28, 2015, 11:37:22 AM
Until we stop giving contracts to the likes of Brunt, Morrison, McAuley then we will continue to struggle. Great servants they have been but they are past their best and not our future. What's the betting Olsson gets a new deal soon?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 28, 2015, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on December 28, 2015, 11:37:22 AM
Until we stop giving contracts to the likes of Brunt, Morrison, McAuley then we will continue to struggle. Great servants they have been but they are past their best and not our future. What's the betting Olsson gets a new deal soon?

Im more worried about anichebe, gamboa, mcmanaman, lambeer etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
Quote from: frazzle on December 28, 2015, 11:30:23 AM
Caps?
WBA debuts in Premier League. Couldn't think of a different term at the time. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2015, 11:43:36 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on December 28, 2015, 11:37:22 AM
Until we stop giving contracts to the likes of Brunt, Morrison, McAuley then we will continue to struggle. Great servants they have been but they are past their best and not our future. What's the betting Olsson gets a new deal soon?
Until we replace Brunt, Morrison, McAuley with someone better then we will continue to give them contracts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 28, 2015, 12:12:04 PM
Quote from: brummyroader on December 28, 2015, 10:55:27 AM
One of my biggest issues with TP is that during the summer he gave out a message that he really wanted to move the club on and the 50 point target was mentioned once again, I'm not naïve enough to think we would suddenly be a top 10 club but undoubtedly that was and is the aim. However his methods on the whole are far apart of achieving this, two games ago I have to admit I was rather happy with him after the point at Anfield and the good run we hard been on, ultimately though you improve because you win games against teams below you. As we know good points against 'better' teams do not shoot you up the table, wins against Bournemouth and Swansea certainly would although 4 points would have been very good. Setting up as we do against stronger sides I have no problem with as I'm sure a lot on here would agree with, but going to Swansea with the 11 we put out is just appalling with their mini crisis. Does he really think that this is the way to progress and make West Brom into a mini force in the Premier League? I am beginning to lose patience and honestly think we will lose today and I'm normally optimistic, Newcastle will attack from the start and I can see a horrible 1-3 coming up. His consistent use of 13/14 players is shocking too, Gamboa could be used at RM for a start instead of Gardner. His stubbornness is there for all to see, we are reliant on around 4 players week in week out. I would not blame Peace if he did not spend decent money in Jan, Chester and C Mac is a big outlay for no reward. He needs to get back on track before level headed and patient fans change their minds otherwise home games starting from today could have an unbearable atmosphere.

This pretty much it for me, I've gone to believing Pulis has a few games to show us he has the balls to try something other than 9 behind the ball and 1 lonely front man.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2015, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2015, 11:43:36 AM
Until we replace Brunt, Morrison, McAuley with someone better then we will continue to give them contracts.

and this has been one problem with the players signed by whoever at this club over the past few years. They have concentrated on filling the squad instead of improving the starting XI. Now we have a situation where those players are getting on and now "have" to be replaced whilst the squad players are sitting getting splinters and have little interest in whether they actually play any football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 28, 2015, 12:57:29 PM
He is a dinosaur of his own making.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 28, 2015, 12:59:55 PM
Two games ago the general feeling was that Pulis was doing a good job, two games later there's a poll saying if we lose the next game should he go. You have to laugh.  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 28, 2015, 01:00:22 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 28, 2015, 12:59:55 PM
Two games ago the general feeling was that Pulis was doing a good job, two games later there's a poll saying if we lose the next game should he go. You have to laugh.  ::)
You have to cry as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on December 28, 2015, 05:17:36 PM
These knicker wetting polls won't help anything. West Brom are currently 1 point behind Southampton and 3 points behind West Ham and Everton. Isn't that where you are expected to be?

If you swapped Leicester around with Chelsea and Watford with Swansea, pretty much every club is roughly where they should be within a couple of places. It's far from a disaster some of you seem to think it is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2015, 05:18:24 PM
fair play today he picked a more positive side and boy did it show, more of the same please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2015, 05:19:52 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on December 28, 2015, 05:17:36 PM
These knicker wetting polls won't help anything. West Brom are currently 1 point behind Southampton and 3 points behind West Ham and Everton. Isn't that where you are expected to be?

If you swapped Leicester around with Chelsea and Watford with Swansea, pretty much every club is roughly where they should be within a couple of places. It's far from a disaster some of you seem to think it is.
wrong stokelad, we want stoke just above the seals. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on December 28, 2015, 05:22:39 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 28, 2015, 12:59:55 PM
Two games ago the general feeling was that Pulis was doing a good job, two games later there's a poll saying if we lose the next game should he go. You have to laugh.  ::)

I think my favourite phrase that I have read is "He is ruining our club!" You may not like his tactics and disagree with his philosophy but ruining the club is the most ridiculous statement. 13th in the prem (3 points behind media darlings Everton) yep clubs in tatters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 28, 2015, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on December 28, 2015, 05:22:39 PM
I think my favourite phrase that I have read is "He is ruining our club!" You may not like his tactics and disagree with his philosophy but ruining the club is the most ridiculous statement. 13th in the prem (3 points behind media darlings Everton) yep clubs in tatters.

Think you are conveniently forgetting that much of the comment has been about the style of play and the negativity of approach.

Today was the type of performance I've been asking for, the best of the season, and quite honestly even if we had drawn I'd still have been delighted with the performance I saw today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 28, 2015, 05:30:16 PM
Reverse those engines again against Stoke.
We will be doing his usual game.
Hoof, hit and hope.
Set piece game if we can get it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2015, 05:32:25 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on December 28, 2015, 05:17:36 PM
These knicker wetting polls won't help anything. West Brom are currently 1 point behind Southampton and 3 points behind West Ham and Everton. Isn't that where you are expected to be?

If you swapped Leicester around with Chelsea and Watford with Swansea, pretty much every club is roughly where they should be within a couple of places. It's far from a disaster some of you seem to think it is.
It seems the Stokie doesn't understand the issue,( surprise!)  I don't think many dispute that Pulis is good at what he does but what he does is drive people away from games and generally dishes up stuff that is horrible to watch. We are getting the reputation that Stoke had, you might be proud of it, I am not.

I didn't go to the game today (and seems I missed an un - Pulis type performance ) as I gave my season ticket to someone else so as to watch Star Wars. Guaranteed entertainment. Something I wouldn't have considered under pretty much any previous Albion manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 28, 2015, 05:36:52 PM
Thing is, with the 50 point thing, at our current rate we'll end up with 46 pts - so we're only 4 points off target. 

The most important thing is to not go down in the next year or two because of the money.  If we get to the point where we go into the season and we're not worried about being relegated then *that's* the time to push for better football.  In the mean time I see a lot of teams in the league that would happily change places with us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2015, 05:53:31 PM
time to change the poll again :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2015, 05:55:11 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2015, 05:53:31 PM
time to change the poll again :)

Might as well change it every game as some will not be happy until he's gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 28, 2015, 06:00:37 PM
Full credit to Pulis today - he's a Mr motivator when it matters ! Nice one , let's enjoy it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on December 28, 2015, 06:05:44 PM
Happy with result but delighted with performance, shows we can play good football.  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on December 28, 2015, 06:17:09 PM
Great result and well deserved.

Team selection still a lot to be desired, newcastle are a very poor side lets not forget that.

Sess and Anichebe takr a bow. Brilliant today.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 28, 2015, 06:27:25 PM
Great result and good team selection. He added 12% percent on to our total shots for the season today according to the bbc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on December 28, 2015, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: frazzle on December 28, 2015, 05:27:45 PM
Think you are conveniently forgetting that much of the comment has been about the style of play and the negativity of approach.

Today was the type of performance I've been asking for, the best of the season, and quite honestly even if we had drawn I'd still have been delighted with the performance I saw today.

Not forgetting anything. The outrage, hyperbole and modern day entitlement of football fans means they say things like "ruining our club". They then say "oh I just mean style of play".

We should probably get rid because he ruined Stoke and Palace, can you imagine if he'd left a platform for them to build on ;)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on December 28, 2015, 06:50:11 PM
Think today showed why there is frustration.

We had a go, were positive, very enjoyable, same as against Leicester, Arsenal, Spurs and West Ham + Liverpool to an extent, the team clearly can do it so as long as we adopt that approach more often than not i will be a happy man.

I said previous i hoped the Bournemouth game was a one off and not the norm based on how we had played previous couple of months and today we played very well so lets hope the Bournemouth game was just that - a one off.

Massive praise to Pulis and the players for a very enjoyable game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on December 28, 2015, 08:03:44 PM
Palace played some cracking football at times under Pulis.

Give him the January window & the summer window and then let's see where we are this time next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 28, 2015, 08:20:15 PM
And that ladies and gentleman is all I want to see from an Albion side.

A tempo to our play, an ambitious selection and a desire to win the football match.

We don't need to resort to some groundhog day tactics to win points in this division - there are good players in this squad. Let them express themselves as they have done today and you may get the rewards.

Granted we may lose a couple along the way, but you're far more likely to win football matches when you pick a side with the intention of winning.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 28, 2015, 08:21:04 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on December 28, 2015, 06:45:37 PM
Not forgetting anything. The outrage, hyperbole and modern day entitlement of football fans means they say things like "ruining our club". They then say "oh I just mean style of play".

We should probably get rid because he ruined Stoke and Palace, can you imagine if he'd left a platform for them to build on ;)

It's honestly really simple. Play like we did today, passing through midfield, creating chances, on the front foot with energy, and the vast majority of fans will be happy.

Play negative, barely crossing the half way line, hoofing the ball, relying on set pieces, and you will have a split fan base.

'Modern day entitlement' - would be good if you could explain this to me. Football is entertainment, ok, so there are businesses involved but they only exist because its an entertaining sport. For me, I like to know that the team I support are trying to win games - that's pretty much all. Is that what you mean by 'modern day entitlement' as I genuinely have no idea what you are getting at.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 28, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on December 28, 2015, 08:20:15 PM
And that ladies and gentleman is all I want to see from an Albion side.

A tempo to our play, an ambitious selection and a desire to win the football match.

We don't need to resort to some groundhog day tactics to win points in this division - there are good players in this squad. Let them express themselves as they have done today and you may get the rewards.

Granted we may lose a couple along the way, but you're far more likely to win football matches when you pick a side with the intention of winning.

Careful, you might be accused of being a fan with a 'modern day entitlement'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 28, 2015, 08:33:31 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on December 28, 2015, 08:03:44 PM
Palace played some cracking football at times under Pulis.

Give him the January window & the summer window and then let's see where we are this time next season.
simply from his track record, table-wise and points wise we will vary little season on season. despite the way Palace played, much like we've seen, their actual "attacking" in terms of shots and possession in the final 3rd took a MASSIVE nose dive compared to Holloway, what Pulis did was shored the defence but let them play as they were taught by Ben Garner, whose here now, and arguably did not have time to change it by the time he left. Add that he signed virtually none of the stand out players that season and, again, going by his record then i wouldn't hold your breathe for a significant change in either direction in terms of style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2015, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on December 28, 2015, 08:33:31 PM
simply from his track record, table-wise and points wise we will vary little season on season. despite the way Palace played, much like we've seen, their actual "attacking" in terms of shots and possession in the final 3rd took a MASSIVE nose dive compared to Holloway, what Pulis did was shored the defence but let them play as they were taught by Ben Garner, whose here now, and arguably did not have time to change it by the time he left. Add that he signed virtually none of the stand out players that season and, again, going by his record then i wouldn't hold your breathe for a significant change in either direction in terms of style.

Holloway is a gung ho manager who's sides have no defense at all. Pulis the opposite who's sides generally are more defensive minded hence why Pulis has a better track record in the top flight.

No its not pretty at times but its why he gets jobs and Holloway is a pundit on Championship games for Sky.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on December 28, 2015, 08:41:35 PM
Quote from: frazzle on December 28, 2015, 08:21:04 PM
It's honestly really simple. Play like we did today, passing through midfield, creating chances, on the front foot with energy, and the vast majority of fans will be happy.

Play negative, barely crossing the half way line, hoofing the ball, relying on set pieces, and you will have a split fan base.

'Modern day entitlement' - would be good if you could explain this to me. Football is entertainment, ok, so there are businesses involved but they only exist because its an entertaining sport. For me, I like to know that the team I support are trying to win games - that's pretty much all. Is that what you mean by 'modern day entitlement' as I genuinely have no idea what you are getting at.

No your totally right when a game is lost there is a totally measured approach from most fans. After a run of 2 or 3 defeats in a row most fans call for patience and calm. Before Pulis when we had Irvine, Clarke and pepe mel it was swashbuckling champagne football. I mean he's been there for less than a year so we should be expecting greatness.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 28, 2015, 08:42:04 PM
In the last 7 games we've had two shocking performances against two relatively poor teams. When we've played with an intention to cause problems to the opposition we've won or achieved points in the other five matches, even against Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool who we wouldn't have expected much as fans. More of this intent and I'll be happy, I don't need to feel I'm watching perfection - if I did I wouldn't have watched Albion all my life COYB!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 28, 2015, 08:42:54 PM
That was better. I'd question how much of it was down to how bad Newcastle are, but you still have to go out and win the game. And we attacked straight away, without waiting until we were a goal down to do it.

I still don't think we'll ever play good football with Pulis in charge, but as long as the team are trying to win games I'll cope with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: silver surfer on December 28, 2015, 09:02:41 PM
                   Matches P     W   D   L   Pts
1      Arsenal             38   25   6   7   81
2      Man City.      37   22   5      10     71
3      Spurs           38   19   11   8   68
4      Leicester City.  . 37    19   9.      9.    66
5      Manchester Utd.   38   18   10   10.   64
6      Crystal Palace   38   19   6   13.   63
7      Chelsea             38   17   10   11   61
8      Liverpool           37   17   10   10   61
9      Stoke City           38   16   10   12   58
10      Everton           38   13   13   12   52
11      Soton.               38   14   9   15   51
12      West Brom           38   13   11   14   50
13      Swansea           38   12   11   15   47
14      West Ham           38   10   15   13   45
15      Sunderland.       37   7   9.     21     30
16      Newcastle           38   7   9   22   30
17      Watford          19   8   5   6   29
18      Aston Villa          38   6   7   25   25
19      Norwich          19   5   5   9   20
20      B mouth.          19   5   5   9   20

This calender years league table apparently, a pattern seems to be emerging.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 28, 2015, 09:05:15 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on December 28, 2015, 08:41:35 PM
No your totally right when a game is lost there is a totally measured approach from most fans. After a run of 2 or 3 defeats in a row most fans call for patience and calm. Before Pulis when we had Irvine, Clarke and pepe mel it was swashbuckling champagne football. I mean he's been there for less than a year so we should be expecting greatness.

I think you must have misquoted as your comments bear no relation to mine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: darbolina on December 28, 2015, 08:42:04 PM
In the last 7 games we've had two shocking performances against two relatively poor teams. When we've played with an intention to cause problems to the opposition we've won or achieved points in the other five matches, even against Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool who we wouldn't have expected much as fans. More of this intent and I'll be happy, I don't need to feel I'm watching perfection - if I did I wouldn't have watched Albion all my life COYB!

Two relatively poor teams....one of which had just beaten both Chelsea and Man United (we lost to both of them).....

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on December 28, 2015, 08:42:54 PM
That was better. I'd question how much of it was down to how bad Newcastle are, but you still have to go out and win the game. And we attacked straight away, without waiting until we were a goal down to do it.

I still don't think we'll ever play good football with Pulis in charge, but as long as the team are trying to win games I'll cope with it.

How much of it was also down to TP actually realising just how strong the groundswell against his style of football had become?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 09:34:48 PM
Quote from: silver surfer on December 28, 2015, 09:02:41 PM
                   Matches P     W   D   L   Pts
1      Arsenal             38   25   6   7   81
2      Man City.      37   22   5      10     71
3      Spurs           38   19   11   8   68
4      Leicester City.  . 37    19   9.      9.    66
5      Manchester Utd.   38   18   10   10.   64
6      Crystal Palace   38   19   6   13.   63
7      Chelsea             38   17   10   11   61
8      Liverpool           37   17   10   10   61
9      Stoke City           38   16   10   12   58
10      Everton           38   13   13   12   52
11      Soton.               38   14   9   15   51
12      West Brom           38   13   11   14   50
13      Swansea           38   12   11   15   47
14      West Ham           38   10   15   13   45
15      Sunderland.       37   7   9.     21     30
16      Newcastle           38   7   9   22   30
17      Watford          19   8   5   6   29
18      Aston Villa          38   6   7   25   25
19      Norwich          19   5   5   9   20
20      B mouth.          19   5   5   9   20

This calender years league table apparently, a pattern seems to be emerging.

Interesting. If you (crudely) doubled the points of each of the 3 promoted sides to represent a whole year, Sunderland, Newcastle and Villa would be a massive 10-15 points adrift over the year, despite changing their managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 28, 2015, 09:52:21 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 09:28:00 PM
Two relatively poor teams....one of which had just beaten both Chelsea and Man United (we lost to both of them).....

Relatively poor compared to Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool based on league standings in the past year. I'd expect Bournemouth and Swansea to be teams in or around the relegation zone at the end of the season based on this seasons form so I'd expect us to beat them easier than the other three I mentioned. Funny ol game innit
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 09:57:26 PM
Quote from: darbolina on December 28, 2015, 09:52:21 PM
Relatively poor compared to Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool based on league standings in the past year. I'd expect Bournemouth and Swansea to be teams in or around the relegation zone at the end of the season based on this seasons form so I'd expect us to beat them easier than the other three I mentioned. Funny ol game innit

This season is proving to be one of extreme unpredictability.  Lots of twists and turns to come. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 28, 2015, 10:27:15 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 09:30:50 PM
How much of it was also down to TP actually realising just how strong the groundswell against his style of football had become?
What groundswell? think you are getting ahead of yourself mate, just remember that there are over 20,000 Albion fans attending each home game, and from where I sit in the East Stand, I do not see or hear any any groundswell against Pulis just recognition of the very difficult task he faces in moving the club forward. I think he is a very strong and proud man, and yes probably stubborn, but rest assured he will not be losing any sleep about the "groundswell" on this forum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 28, 2015, 10:44:47 PM
One swallow does not a summer make.
Let's see where we are in a few weeks time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on December 28, 2015, 10:48:39 PM
This forum acts as an echo chamber for both sides. Four or five posters in either direction and suddenly the whole ground is for/against someone. I dare say most people sit somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 10:53:35 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on December 28, 2015, 10:27:15 PM
What groundswell? think you are getting ahead of yourself mate, just remember that there are over 20,000 Albion fans attending each home game, and from where I sit in the East Stand, I do not see or hear any any groundswell against Pulis just recognition of the very difficult task he faces in moving the club forward. I think he is a very strong and proud man, and yes probably stubborn, but rest assured he will not be losing any sleep about the "groundswell" on this forum.

So there's no groundswell?  Everyone is happy with the style of football being played, with the tactics and the negative approach?  So the local newspapers are making it all up? 

If you aren't seeing or hearing any groundswell then you might not be very observant
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 28, 2015, 11:01:08 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on December 28, 2015, 10:44:47 PM
One swallow does not a summer make.
Let's see where we are in a few weeks time.
Just as a couple of defeats doesn't make you a bad team in this division.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 28, 2015, 11:08:52 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 10:53:35 PM
So there's no groundswell?  Everyone is happy with the style of football being played, with the tactics and the negative approach?  So the local newspapers are making it all up? 

If you aren't seeing or hearing any groundswell then you might not be very observant
I am very observant, I observe that our local newspapers are absolute rags. I also observe that the majority of supporters recognise that we have a very decent very experienced manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on December 28, 2015, 11:08:52 PM
I am very observant, I observe that our local newspapers are absolute rags. I also observe that the majority of supporters recognise that we have a very decent very experienced manager.

As did Chelsea fans and as do Man United fans....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2015, 11:20:03 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on December 28, 2015, 11:08:52 PM
I am very observant, I observe that our local newspapers are absolute rags. I also observe that the majority of supporters recognise that we have a very decent very experienced manager.

I don't believe you can simply observe and conclude that the majority are behind Pulis.

Whilst I don't rate Pulis I never express my displeasure during a match as I firmly believe you should offer support no matter what during a game.

However when it comes to a forum I will express my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 28, 2015, 11:28:10 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 11:11:32 PM
As did Chelsea fans and as do Man United fans....
Sorry I meant real supporters
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on December 29, 2015, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on December 28, 2015, 10:27:15 PM
What groundswell? think you are getting ahead of yourself mate, just remember that there are over 20,000 Albion fans attending each home game, and from where I sit in the East Stand, I do not see or hear any any groundswell against Pulis just recognition of the very difficult task he faces in moving the club forward. I think he is a very strong and proud man, and yes probably stubborn, but rest assured he will not be losing any sleep about the "groundswell" on this forum.
I agree with this. It seems that a lot of online fans are more anti-Pulis than those in real life who seem to back him more. I've found on twitter especially there's lots of negativity towards him, but whenever I've been in the Hawthorns I haven't seen it other than the odd result such as Bournemouth.

I don't know why that is, but it seems to be that way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 29, 2015, 12:12:49 AM
No real change in tactics if we are honest we were still route one but we did get players forward and the Centre Forward looked a little less isolated. I do n't think Pulis had much choice with regard to the team selection if Berahino is acting up and it is debatable if Lambert has 90 minutes in his legs let alone two in three days then he had to choose Vic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on December 29, 2015, 12:30:16 AM
We kept the ball better today because Newcastle are almost as bad as us at retaining possession and Vic held the ball up very well. Our passing at times was still atrocious but we were against the right team today.

I'm stunned we didn't score from a set piece with the amount of chances we had, Newcastle's poor reputation and Darlow flapping. The delivery wasn't quite up to standard something it needs to be as one of our main source of goals
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 29, 2015, 03:58:02 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 29, 2015, 12:12:49 AM
No real change in tactics if we are honest we were still route one

Think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I thought we played some really good football for decent periods of the game.

Still, it's all about opinions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2015, 08:46:48 AM
I think yesterday was a superb example of the manager knowing better than the fans.

The reaction to the team selection on FB/Twitter was ridiculous, some claiming he didnt know what he was doing, should be sacked, stupid to select Vic over Saido etc etc.

Then we pull out a 1-0 win, looked comfortable at times, 22 attempts at goal, 15+ corners, Vic had one of the best games hes had in years, Sess was outstanding.

Just goes to show that sometimes. just sometimes, maybe the manager does know the best team to pick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 29, 2015, 09:27:18 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on December 29, 2015, 08:46:48 AM
I think yesterday was a superb example of the manager knowing better than the fans.

The reaction to the team selection on FB/Twitter was ridiculous, some claiming he didnt know what he was doing, should be sacked, stupid to select Vic over Saido etc etc.

Then we pull out a 1-0 win, looked comfortable at times, 22 attempts at goal, 15+ corners, Vic had one of the best games hes had in years, Sess was outstanding.

Just goes to show that sometimes. just sometimes, maybe the manager does know the best team to pick.
Yes but he also picked the sides that lost to Swansea and Bournemouth. You can't credit him for wins and exonerate him for defeats or indeed, vice versa.
The most important thing about yesterday was the attacking intent, that is all most people who are labelled 'anti-Pulis' actually want. Yes Newcastle are poor but so are Swansea and Bournemouth, the difference was our attitude towards the game. We played like we wanted to win rather than not lose. Keep that up and it will be difficult for anyone to complain.

Would have been the ultimate irony though, if our most attacking performance for a year had ended 0-0.  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 29, 2015, 09:50:23 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on December 29, 2015, 09:27:18 AM
Yes but he also picked the sides that lost to Swansea and Bournemouth. You can't credit him for wins and exonerate him for defeats or indeed, vice versa.
The most important thing about yesterday was the attacking intent, that is all most people who are labelled 'anti-Pulis' actually want. Yes Newcastle are poor but so are Swansea and Bournemouth, the difference was our attitude towards the game. We played like we wanted to win rather than not lose. Keep that up and it will be difficult for anyone to complain.

Would have been the ultimate irony though, if our most attacking performance for a year had ended 0-0.  :D

Exactly. I've said this time and time again. It doesn't need to be Barcelona or anything like it, it just needs to be a team that are trying to win the game. Yesterday was excellent and if it were to carry on like that I will have no complaints.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 29, 2015, 09:51:46 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 29, 2015, 12:12:49 AM
No real change in tactics if we are honest we were still route one but we did get players forward and the Centre Forward looked a little less isolated. I do n't think Pulis had much choice with regard to the team selection if Berahino is acting up and it is debatable if Lambert has 90 minutes in his legs let alone two in three days then he had to choose Vic.

Can't agree I'm afraid. I thought we were far more attacking and had players ahead of the ball for change. This was also reflected in Fletchers interview when he said that he enjoyed the more attacking approach and that we were 20 yards further up the pitch than usual, which gives the player in possession greater options to pass the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2015, 11:09:23 AM
find it hard to believe some don't think yesterday was a much better performance, it was entertaining we took the game to the opposition creating lots of goal scoring chances. I don't like pulis but that was a lot better yesterday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on December 29, 2015, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on December 29, 2015, 11:09:23 AM
find it hard to believe some don't think yesterday was a much better performance, it was entertaining we took the game to the opposition creating lots of goal scoring chances. I don't like pulis but that was a lot better yesterday.

What annoys me is that we were capable of playing in that style against Bmouth and Swansea but set up to defend.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 29, 2015, 12:53:43 PM
38 games in charge = 50 points ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on December 29, 2015, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on December 29, 2015, 12:53:43 PM
38 games in charge = 50 points ;)

How many polls did Clarke have when he got 49 points from his first 38 games in charge?  ;)

As I said the other day, it's far from a disaster.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on December 29, 2015, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on December 29, 2015, 11:09:23 AM
find it hard to believe some don't think yesterday was a much better performance, it was entertaining we took the game to the opposition creating lots of goal scoring chances. I don't like pulis but that was a lot better yesterday.
Its not in their DNA to give credit where it is due I think everbody got little issues with TP for me the wingback situation and the gardener love in although he has been doing well of late, but the man is a good manager and he is not perfect and we wont win possesion stats or make 10 passes in a row ever but when all is said and done we will pick up points and be very stable when he leaves.The team is attacking way better and much more than say the first 10 weeks,some people say there are no improvements.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2015, 05:17:04 PM
I'm anti, but that was definately much better, so credit where its due, well done TP.
More of the same PLEASE.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2015, 05:40:08 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on December 29, 2015, 04:37:17 PM
How many polls did Clarke have when he got 49 points from his first 38 games in charge?  ;)

As I said the other day, it's far from a disaster.

Just done a quick tally, Hodgson also garnered 49 points from his first 38 games (ironically the 38th was Wo1ve5) so Pulis is our most successful Premier league manager after his first 38 games. Know people love stats on here  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 29, 2015, 05:41:48 PM
The issue with saying "that's all we want to see, the attacking intent" is that it's simply not true.  I can guarantee that if we went out all attacking and lost every game we'd soon be crying for "we just want to see the team defend well and get a scrappy win".  We can say it after the Newcastle game because it also resulted in 3 points. 

We're all happy when we're picking up points.  Points are the most important thing - we've learned that lesson the hard way in the past. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 29, 2015, 05:54:37 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 29, 2015, 05:41:48 PM
We're all happy when we're picking up points.  Points are the most important thing - we've learned that lesson the hard way in the past.

There are plenty who are not happy with just the points though.
Hence the length and winding nature of this particular thread perhaps?

Opinions are like bot' holes, every body has one.
However, certain people in all walks of life are only content when dissecting everything to the enth degree to justify a good old whinge or to re affirm a long held and un shakable belief.

Great things football forums though  :) ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 29, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 29, 2015, 05:41:48 PM
The issue with saying "that's all we want to see, the attacking intent" is that it's simply not true.  I can guarantee that if we went out all attacking and lost every game we'd soon be crying for "we just want to see the team defend well and get a scrappy win".  We can say it after the Newcastle game because it also resulted in 3 points. 

We're all happy when we're picking up points.  Points are the most important thing - we've learned that lesson the hard way in the past.

There is a balance to be had. I'd like to see more attacking intent. We've shown on occasions that we can do it and get results. Yesterday for example was far better than the last couple of games. For some reason though Pulis will put the handbrake back on again. In games like Bournemouth and Swansea this is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 29, 2015, 05:41:48 PM
The issue with saying "that's all we want to see, the attacking intent" is that it's simply not true.  I can guarantee that if we went out all attacking and lost every game we'd soon be crying for "we just want to see the team defend well and get a scrappy win".  We can say it after the Newcastle game because it also resulted in 3 points. 

We're all happy when we're picking up points.  Points are the most important thing - we've learned that lesson the hard way in the past.

It's a results business at the end of the day.  However there are different means of achieving those results.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 06:06:15 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on December 29, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
There is a balance to be had. I'd like to see more attacking intent. We've shown on occasions that we can do it and get results. Yesterday for example was far better than the last couple of games. For some reason though Pulis will put the handbrake back on again. In games like Bournemouth and Swansea this is unacceptable.

Absolutely.   The away game at Liverpool and the home game v Newcastle (and v Tottenham to be fair) were clear lines in the sand.  We showed positive intent both away and at home, albeit less so away.  Nobody is going to moan at those approaches even if the desired results aren't always achieved.

On the other hand, approaches like at Palace away and Swansea away, plus Bournemouth at home, are totally unacceptable and that's what needs to be eradicated.  If that is achieved then I don't think even Pulis' loudest critics will be heard.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on December 29, 2015, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on December 29, 2015, 04:37:17 PM
How many polls did Clarke have when he got 49 points from his first 38 games in charge?  ;)

As I said the other day, it's far from a disaster.

Always amazes me that after 226 pages on this thread a large number of posters still seem to think pointing to Pulis points totals will quieten down his critics.

Im sure there has been a handful but I genuinely can't remember ever seeing a post expressing a dislike for him purely because they don't think his results are acceptable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2015, 07:20:32 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on December 29, 2015, 03:58:02 AM
Think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I thought we played some really good football for decent periods of the game.

Still, it's all about opinions.

I'm with you. I thought we was excellent throughout large parts of the game.

I thought there was a ten minute spell where Newcastle took the ascendancy in the second half but apart from that I thought we looked comfortable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pauly414 on December 29, 2015, 07:39:23 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 29, 2015, 05:41:48 PM
The issue with saying "that's all we want to see, the attacking intent" is that it's simply not true.  I can guarantee that if we went out all attacking and lost every game we'd soon be crying for "we just want to see the team defend well and get a scrappy win".  We can say it after the Newcastle game because it also resulted in 3 points. 

We're all happy when we're picking up points.  Points are the most important thing - we've learned that lesson the hard way in the past.

I want to be entertained, it doesn't have to be all out attack to be entertaining.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2015, 10:16:48 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on December 29, 2015, 07:07:05 PM
Always amazes me that after 226 pages on this thread a large number of posters still seem to think pointing to Pulis points totals will quieten down his critics.

Im sure there has been a handful but I genuinely can't remember ever seeing a post expressing a dislike for him purely because they don't think his results are acceptable.

Seriously uncomfortable truth that at this stage of his career he's the most successful Albion Premier League manager...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 30, 2015, 12:22:29 AM
It's easy saying "I want to be entertained" though.  We'd all love to be knocking the ball around like Barcelona AND picking up points but players who are capable of that are few and far between.  I haven't seen anyone say anything different, I think we need to be realistic though.  We don't have the players who can do it and at the moment the club isn't in a position where we can afford to squander points in the search of more attractive football.

Getting a player to understand that he should be in position "A" under "these" circumstances is stuff that can be taught quickly - knocking the ball around and being a very good judge of when you can get forward isn't so easy. 

I don't think anyone is going to change their minds but I feel like there's a big difference between "we're doing ok, would be nice if we played a bit more of an expansive game" and "Pulis has to go, the football is rubbish.  I want to be entertained dammit".  I'm seeing and hearing far more of the latter and I genuinely don't understand how someone can have that point of view after seeing what was happening under Irvine, et al.  I think it's absurd that people want Pulis gone because of the quality of the football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2015, 02:06:44 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 30, 2015, 12:22:29 AM
It's easy saying "I want to be entertained" though.  We'd all love to be knocking the ball around like Barcelona AND picking up points but players who are capable of that are few and far between.  I haven't seen anyone say anything different, I think we need to be realistic though.  We don't have the players who can do it and at the moment the club isn't in a position where we can afford to squander points in the search of more attractive football.

Getting a player to understand that he should be in position "A" under "these" circumstances is stuff that can be taught quickly - knocking the ball around and being a very good judge of when you can get forward isn't so easy. 

I don't think anyone is going to change their minds but I feel like there's a big difference between "we're doing ok, would be nice if we played a bit more of an expansive game" and "Pulis has to go, the football is rubbish.  I want to be entertained dammit".  I'm seeing and hearing far more of the latter and I genuinely don't understand how someone can have that point of view after seeing what was happening under Irvine, et al.  I think it's absurd that people want Pulis gone because of the quality of the football.

Superb post mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 30, 2015, 07:58:27 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2015, 02:06:44 AM
Superb post mate.
Agreed - great post, and the mood that reflects the feelings of the majority of our supporters I believe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 30, 2015, 08:00:54 AM
We need a bit of reality check here. Having a poll asking if Pulis should go if we lose to Newcastle is disrespectful to be honest. Its also naive to think that he is even close to being sacked at any time during this season and beyond. I am not going to go into the pro's and con's of our style of play, but I will say that I do want to be entertained when I go to see them play. However, it doesn't always happen, but we are not the only team in this position.

For those of you who want Pulis out, who do you want to replace him? That is a rhetorical question so please don't answer it on this thread. My point is who is there out there who is a) available, b) has a proven track record, c) would want to come to manage the Albion, and d) we can afford?

I would like to think that JP has learnt his lesson from the last two 'lucky punts' he took with Clark and Irvine. At this moment in time, with the TV deal due next season, TP is the best person for the job.

There is a small club down the road who would do anything to get hold of TP at the moment, so be careful what you wish for.     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 30, 2015, 09:13:04 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on December 30, 2015, 08:00:54 AM
We need a bit of reality check here. Having a poll asking if Pulis should go if we lose to Newcastle is disrespectful to be honest. Its also naive to think that he is even close to being sacked at any time during this season and beyond. I am not going to go into the pro's and con's of our style of play, but I will say that I do want to be entertained when I go to see them play. However, it doesn't always happen, but we are not the only team in this position.

For those of you who want Pulis out, who do you want to replace him? That is a rhetorical question so please don't answer it on this thread. My point is who is there out there who is a) available, b) has a proven track record, c) would want to come to manage the Albion, and d) we can afford?

I would like to think that JP has learnt his lesson from the last two 'lucky punts' he took with Clark and Irvine. At this moment in time, with the TV deal due next season, TP is the best person for the job.

There is a small club down the road who would do anything to get hold of TP at the moment, so be careful what you wish for.   
Just because some, me included, don't agree with his set up at times, does not mean we want him out, we just want more like Everton and Newcastle and less like Swansea and Bournemouth. The fact that we played higher up the pitch and started on the front foot proves that we do have the players to do it. There are games when we have to be cagey and defensive, but Swansea and Bournemouth should be games were we put them under pressure. We have a wealth of Prem experience in our starting 11 and we should use it better when playing a newly promoted side like Bournemouth or a team on it's arris like Swansea. Before anyone jumps on me with the ' we don't have a divine right to win any game', I'm not saying we should win, but we should at least set out with that intent.

The thing I do like about Pulis and what makes him such a good Prem manager is that he knows how to end a losing streak and that's what sets him apart. Clarke and Di Matteo had terrific spells but, when the going got tough and we started losing, they just didn't know how to react, and still don't! Pulis will rarely lose more than 3 in a row, which is a tremendous quality in this division. Let's face it, as soon as Leicester lose one or two, we will all be thinking the bubble has burst. Will Ranieri have the mettle to galvanise his side? Time will tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on December 30, 2015, 09:16:26 AM
Quote from: pauly414 on December 29, 2015, 07:39:23 PM
I want to be entertained, it doesn't have to be all out attack to be entertaining.

To be fair, you can't say you weren't entertained in five of the last six home games surely ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on December 30, 2015, 09:30:49 AM
I think he can only work with the players he has,not who he wants,do you really think he enjoys it? We will see his intentions in January and the summer.I love total football and I bet he does too also.judge him if you must this time next year when we have a better and more skilful squad and he's kept us in the premier league,at a very significant time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on December 30, 2015, 09:53:45 AM
I don't think the style will alter much, he spent 10's of millions at Stoke but the style of football ( not results ) remained a constant and has been all through Pulis' career. Some people still cling to the hope he will have us playing like he did a palace but that's getting overhyped, they had amazing results but the performances were mostly like ours are apart from the odd game like when they destroyed us down their and he dropped lucky with Zaha and Bolasie, players we could never afford or attract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 30, 2015, 10:03:39 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on December 30, 2015, 09:13:04 AM
Just because some, me included, don't agree with his set up at times, does not mean we want him out, we just want more like Everton and Newcastle and less like Swansea and Bournemouth. The fact that we played higher up the pitch and started on the front foot proves that we do have the players to do it. There are games when we have to be cagey and defensive, but Swansea and Bournemouth should be games were we put them under pressure. We have a wealth of Prem experience in our starting 11 and we should use it better when playing a newly promoted side like Bournemouth or a team on it's arris like Swansea. Before anyone jumps on me with the ' we don't have a divine right to win any game', I'm not saying we should win, but we should at least set out with that intent.

The thing I do like about Pulis and what makes him such a good Prem manager is that he knows how to end a losing streak and that's what sets him apart. Clarke and Di Matteo had terrific spells but, when the going got tough and we started losing, they just didn't know how to react, and still don't! Pulis will rarely lose more than 3 in a row, which is a tremendous quality in this division. Let's face it, as soon as Leicester lose one or two, we will all be thinking the bubble has burst. Will Ranieri have the mettle to galvanise his side? Time will tell.

Well put Seteefeet....my sentiments entirely
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 30, 2015, 10:23:14 AM
I am sorry we are now elevating a half decent performance against a poor Newcastle side into something special, it was an improvement on what proceeded it but only because what had proceeded it was so very poor.

I have never doubted Pulis has an ability to grind out results which will always keep us one step from the type downward spiral that seems to have engulfed the Villa but I am not for a minute pretending that it is good to watch.

If it is unfair to judge a coach until he has had the opportunity to assemble a hand picked squad of his own choosing then I think we were extremely unfair to his predecessors. Most coaches don't have that luxury and in any event the players that we are going to bring in are not going to be a vast improvement on what is already here.

I would be more impressed with Pulis if I thought he was utilising the players he has to their best ability. The truth is that our best two players on the pitch on Saturday were only playing because he run out of alternatives.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on December 30, 2015, 10:28:56 AM
Well said Setee feet.

The play like Barcelona comment seems to get wheeled out a lot, i have yet to meet or hear one Albion fan who has said we should play that way.

Infact i think most agree certain games play to our defensive strengths, ie - well drilled and organised and grind points out but other games be more positive and for the last two months with the exception of Bournemouth i think he has got it right so credit to him for that.

Upto middle October i was concerned, i felt last season he did a good job, yet for the first few months of this season we seemed to be going backwards in our approach to games, i said at the time i thought Xmas would be a better time to review when the international breaks were out the way and he had had time to work the new players, etc and if we play like we have been the last couple of months accepting there will be games from time to time where we get it wrong i will be happy, Monday proved that hopefully the Bournemouth game was a one off in our approach.

I dont think that makes me a fickle fan, i know we wont outpass teams or show loads of silky skills but as long we got a game positive and come away from a game having it enjoyed it (even Leicester felt a relief although we lost as had a go) thats all i want.

PS - A FA cup run would be very nice too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 30, 2015, 10:41:59 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 29, 2015, 05:41:48 PM
The issue with saying "that's all we want to see, the attacking intent" is that it's simply not true.  I can guarantee that if we went out all attacking and lost every game we'd soon be crying for "we just want to see the team defend well and get a scrappy win".  We can say it after the Newcastle game because it also resulted in 3 points. 

We're all happy when we're picking up points.  Points are the most important thing - we've learned that lesson the hard way in the past. 

I've been saying for a long time all I want to see is some sodding balance to the side, I don't want to see all out attack leaving us massively vulnerable at the back but I also don't want to see us clearly set our team up to defend all game in the hope of keeping a clean sheet and maybe pinching a goal on the break. We have had very few games this season where I thought the balance of the side looked anywhere near what I would hope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on December 30, 2015, 12:08:13 PM
Bear with me this is related to Pulis .....

My three most  enjoyable periods supporting the baggies:
Ossie Ardiles promotion team (Taylor hunt in front of a diamond- scored lots of goals)
Mowbrays championship winning team - scored lots of goals, fluid midfield and super kev up front
Roy's final season and first six months of Clarke - looked dangerous in the counter attack with Lukaku and Odemwingie up front but also solid at the back

The common factor above was that we had dangerous attacking players. I just don't see us currently with those sort of players. We have a few decent enough players or those that lack the ability for the final ball or to make some magic happen - eg sess is decent on his day but is rarely dangerous in the right places or scores goals consistently.

In summary, Pulis is doing well with what he has but we really need some attacking players who can make things happen or score goals - Watford, Stoke and Leicester have them.

If we added two or three quality attacking players with pace to our solid base, we could be closer to the team Roy created so things are going in the right direction
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on December 30, 2015, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on December 30, 2015, 09:30:49 AM
I think he can only work with the players he has,not who he wants,do you really think he enjoys it? We will see his intentions in January and the summer.I love total football and I bet he does too also.judge him if you must this time next year when we have a better and more skilful squad and he's kept us in the premier league,at a very significant time.

He's signed 9 of them himself. Who do you blame for that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on December 30, 2015, 01:18:29 PM
Did tp really sign them all?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 30, 2015, 01:52:36 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on December 30, 2015, 01:18:29 PM
Did tp really sign them all?

Yes TP is in control who comes and goes at the football club nobody else. They might not have been his first choice because there are budget constraints but they are all his signings more so than any other coach in the last decade.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on December 30, 2015, 05:28:11 PM
Great banter on talk sport on all things Albion right now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2015, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on December 30, 2015, 05:28:11 PM
Great banter on talk sport on all things Albion right now

You mean our biggest fan Adrian Durham is slating us ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on December 30, 2015, 05:32:41 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2015, 05:30:12 PM
You mean our biggest fan Adrian Durham is slating us ?


He only slates us because of pulisball. He's not on tonight it's Adrian's love child Micky Quinn and Sam materface
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2015, 05:42:45 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on December 30, 2015, 05:32:41 PM

He only slates us because of pulisball. He's not on tonight it's Adrian's love child Micky Quinn and Sam materface

Adrian Durham has been slating us for years, well before Pulis came along.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on December 30, 2015, 05:46:43 PM
We are viewed in the media somewhere between Revie's Leeds team and Wimbledon with Fash and Vinnie but without th trophies....... Cheers Tone 👍🏻
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 30, 2015, 05:56:28 PM
What did they say on talksport?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 30, 2015, 05:58:19 PM
As a Pulis critic, I was far more encouraged by Mondays performance, and I sincerely hope that the intent showed on Monday is maintained on Saturday v Stoke, and please...PLEASE lets not revert to the type of stuff we displayed v Bournemouth and Swansea. Lets push on in a positive manner from here.

PS -to the Mods, just a quick query - you outlined the policy of not allowing any discussion on possible replacements for Pulis on the grounds of disrespect,.....yet you allowed a poll on here with the heading "if we lose to Newcastle, does Pulis go ?".
Not sure what others thought, but if the same criteria was to be applied evenly, I feel that that poll was somewhat disrespectful towards him. Just saying.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on December 30, 2015, 06:52:56 PM
We are Stokes new bogey team :P we will beat them watch, i hope we play good and take it to them TP please play Sess
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 30, 2015, 07:43:02 PM
Nice to be able to return the dross.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2015, 10:25:56 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on December 30, 2015, 05:58:19 PM
As a Pulis critic, I was far more encouraged by Mondays performance, and I sincerely hope that the intent showed on Monday is maintained on Saturday v Stoke, and please...PLEASE lets not revert to the type of stuff we displayed v Bournemouth and Swansea. Lets push on in a positive manner from here.

PS -to the Mods, just a quick query - you outlined the policy of not allowing any discussion on possible replacements for Pulis on the grounds of disrespect,.....yet you allowed a poll on here with the heading "if we lose to Newcastle, does Pulis go ?".
Not sure what others thought, but if the same criteria was to be applied evenly, I feel that that poll was somewhat disrespectful towards him. Just saying.

Personally I did think the poll was disrespectful but given a local newspaper was asking something similar then hard to remove it but the posts about possible replacements will be removed just as they have for previous managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 30, 2015, 10:35:44 PM
I have to say, whilst everyone is entitled to an opinion, I do feel a vocal minority are using this site to attack Pulis in a very disrespectful way.

I do accept, a wider proportion are unhappy with some of the football played, that I can understand even if I take a more pragmatic view myself after 2 seasons of poor results and performance prior to TP.

The rot at Villa was set in before that at the Albion, but, we were heading the same way, at least now, I feel someone has grasped the nettle and is turning us around and better days lie ahead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2015, 11:16:29 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 30, 2015, 10:35:44 PM
I have to say, whilst everyone is entitled to an opinion, I do feel a vocal minority are using this site to attack Pulis in a very disrespectful way.

I do accept, a wider proportion are unhappy with some of the football played, that I can understand even if I take a more pragmatic view myself after 2 seasons of poor results and performance prior to TP.

The rot at Villa was set in before that at the Albion, but, we were heading the same way, at least now, I feel someone has grasped the nettle and is turning us around and better days lie ahead.
Where is the disrespect? The criticism on here is nothing compared to the venom that was spouted on this forum when Irvine was in charge, although I understand most relished it then whereas now there is far more support for the present incumbent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 31, 2015, 11:23:16 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2015, 11:16:29 AM
Where is the disrespect? The criticism on here is nothing compared to the venom that was spouted on the forum when Irvine was here.

Well how about the 'sacking if we lose to Newcastle poll' for a start, for a manager with a calendar year points haul of 50 points, one of the best in our Premiership history, that poll is just ignorant, disrespectful and delusional.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 31, 2015, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 31, 2015, 11:23:16 AM
Well how about the 'sacking if we lose to Newcastle poll' for a start, for a manager with a calendar year points haul of 50 points, one of the best in our Premiership history, that poll is just ignorant, disrespectful and delusional.
or Pulis out posts on here before a ball was kicked on Monday......i counted 5 before i got in the East Stand !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2015, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: Dexy on December 31, 2015, 11:35:19 AM
or Pulis out posts on here before a ball was kicked on Monday......i counted 5 before i got in the East Stand !
Football fans calling for a managers head, what next!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on December 31, 2015, 12:41:05 PM
Weve won 1
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 31, 2015, 12:52:05 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on December 31, 2015, 12:41:05 PM
Weve won 1

No mate, our most successful ever PL manager at this stage of his career.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on December 31, 2015, 12:53:27 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on December 31, 2015, 12:41:05 PM
Weve won 1

A bit like when we lose one and polls about whether he should be sacked if we lose the next game are set up!

Many on here don't seem to be able to accept any middle ground - its either you're a Pulis lover or a Pulis hater. I am neither...I don't want him for years but feel we have a better chance of progressing with a spell with him at the club then the likes of Alan Irvine!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2015, 01:26:21 PM
Any more of the "Pulis lovers", "Happy  clappers", "doom mongers" type comments and don't be surprised if your post is gone and maybe members to follow.

Already had one moan from someone via PM so if you don't like it how this forum is run then please go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 31, 2015, 02:46:01 PM
Speaking of Irvine it's been a year yesterday since he left. Time flies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2015, 02:48:54 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 31, 2015, 02:46:01 PM
Speaking of Irvine it's been a year yesterday since he left. Time flies.


didnt he get beat on Monday by bottom of the league Bolton ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 31, 2015, 02:59:02 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2015, 02:48:54 PM

didnt he get beat on Monday by bottom of the league Bolton ;)

No but I think Paul Lambert's team did.  :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 31, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2015, 12:20:41 PM
Football fans calling for a managers head, what next!

With what justification though, as I said, one of the best Calendar year points hauls in our Premiership history, that alone is an impressive stat and one that should deserve respect.

As I also said, I understand some exasperation with playing style, but calling for him to be sacked, and expecting JP to even consider it, is verging on insanity.

I actually enjoy watching the defensive organisation of our side, when performed well, its really absorbing to watch, yes, we all like to watch a tricky winger, but there is way more to the game than that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 31, 2015, 05:04:56 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2015, 12:20:41 PM
Football fans calling for a managers head, what next!
After a good run , decent performances against difficult teams (granted Bournemouth , Swansea which we still could have got points from )....yes whatever next !
Don't get me wrong when i saw Anichebe at 230pm on the team list i was far from sure and im still not convinced with a few Pulis things but wanting him out after a decent spell and before a ball was kicked on Monday.....well theres just no reasonable middle ground when it comes to TP for many.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 31, 2015, 07:42:32 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 31, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
With what justification though, as I said, one of the best Calendar year points hauls in our Premiership history, that alone is an impressive stat and one that should deserve respect.

As I also said, I understand some exasperation with playing style, but calling for him to be sacked, and expecting JP to even consider it, is verging on insanity.

I actually enjoy watching the defensive organisation of our side, when performed well, its really absorbing to watch, yes, we all like to watch a tricky winger, but there is way more to the game than that.
Well said. Unfortunately some make their minds up to go against reason at times. TP was/is the best option with a unbalanced/unfit and "I have a status above my station" player in the ranks.Very difficult but he has moulded a decent "Unit" which gets results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 31, 2015, 10:52:27 PM
Let's face it we could be higher in the table comfortably pushing for a Europa League spot and it wouldn't change the opinion of some. He has a reputation of setting his teams up in a certain way that is never going to be liked by everyone as it isn't always very entertaining even if it is effective. I suppose it depends what your definition of a supporter/fan is.  I go every week I can regardless of who the manager is, how we set up and who is in the starting XI in the hope of seeing us compete with the best but others seem to see entertainment as the be all and end all. It's difficult in this league as we are like most clubs in the fact we are just two or three losses on the bounce from what most see as a major crisis.

I think it's very fair to question his team selections, tactics, transfers and the like but calling for his head is a little silly at the moment but each and every one of us one here only wants what is best for West Bromwich Albion and that is why all opinions should be respected whether you agree or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 01, 2016, 02:25:37 PM
got to admit that at one stage this season I wasn't going again whilst he was in charge,but got to admit things have looked a little better the last 6 weeks or so,my main concern is on transfers so far only evans[and has been said before my granny could have scouted that one],the money wasted on mac and chester will this be repeated with the berahino money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 01, 2016, 02:45:27 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on December 31, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
With what justification though, as I said, one of the best Calendar year points hauls in our Premiership history, that alone is an impressive stat and one that should deserve respect.

As I also said, I understand some exasperation with playing style, but calling for him to be sacked, and expecting JP to even consider it, is verging on insanity.

I actually enjoy watching the defensive organisation of our side, when performed well, its really absorbing to watch, yes, we all like to watch a tricky winger, but there is way more to the game than that.

I'd actually like us to get the ball down, try and play football more often and retain a bit of possession. Our passing the majority of the times is as poor as I've seen at this level and movement is not existent due to our rigid structure. Our defence just hoofs aimless balls upfield most of the time and it just keeps coming back. You mention our defensive organisation but we've shipped more goals at home than any other team so it's far from OK. Results wise you cannot really argue but it really is horrible to watch. Will signing better quality players change this? Under Pulis I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on January 01, 2016, 03:39:34 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on January 01, 2016, 02:25:37 PM
got to admit that at one stage this season I wasn't going again whilst he was in charge,but got to admit things have looked a little better the last 6 weeks or so,my main concern is on transfers so far only evans[and has been said before my granny could have scouted that one],the money wasted on mac and chester will this be repeated with the berahino money

But Pulis bought Evans and convinced him to come here. Plus your granny must be a better judge than many fans who said he was only winning medals because he was In a good team and wasn't all that good.
I would argue McLean and Flectcher have been good signings and Rondon could be the jury is still out. I agree with the Chester, Mac comments but doesn't every manager make good and bad signings the question is do the good ones outweigh the bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 01, 2016, 05:58:19 PM
I too like watching the well drilled defence in action, but it is so much better when you know Sess (or an in form Berahino) is on the pitch and we are able to turn the tables quickly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on January 01, 2016, 07:24:23 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2015, 01:26:21 PM
Any more of the "Pulis lovers", "Happy  clappers", "doom mongers" type comments and don't be surprised if your post is gone and maybe members to follow.

Already had one moan from someone via PM so if you don't like it how this forum is run then please go elsewhere.
Any chance you could also ban the use of the word 'mate', when people are answering certain posts. I can't be the only one who find it childish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2016, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on January 01, 2016, 07:24:23 PM
Any chance you could also ban the use of the word 'mate', when people are answering certain posts. I can't be the only one who find it childish.
Afraid not , can be the one word in a post which makes it less aggresive when a heated debate is going on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on January 01, 2016, 07:34:13 PM
Just my opinion but anyone who thinks we'd currently be better off without Pulis then may want to pop their head to villa park and see what a mess they are in and be happy we have a manager who will keep us in the league which in turn gives us a opportunity to strengthen on all fronts year after year, something we haven't been able to do due to incorrect managerial appointments. I include Clarke in those comment as to be honest Lukaku was the main reason we did what we did that season and I think even now if you take his goals out of Everton they would be bottom 5.

Finally we have a manager who knows just how to stop the rot, and however he does it, surely only winning matters. I actually think overall we've been entertained at home this season but I would take more games like Sunderland for 2 more wins.

People may say we'll look at Stoke playing the football they are but the reality is, if we beat them tomorrow we will be 3 points from the stokealona who are paying enormous wages funded by a thriving bookmaker.

To sum up, Pulis is just what West Bromwich Albion need right now and probably for at least 2 or 3 more seasons and I'm sure given time they'll be more highs then lows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on January 01, 2016, 07:49:13 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on January 01, 2016, 07:24:23 PM
Any chance you could also ban the use of the word 'mate', when people are answering certain posts. I can't be the only one who find it childish.

I don't post too often, but there is a lot of good debate on here. Just as much as the good debate though is some silly little exchanges. Some people are way too quick to be offended and some others are clearly on the wind up. How about we all just chat nicely about the great club we all support? Ban the word 'mate?' Ridiculous.

While this is a Pulis topic, I'm sure there are plenty of us that are a bit bored of all this in-fighting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on January 01, 2016, 08:04:14 PM
Quote from: BaggiesFacts on January 01, 2016, 07:49:13 PM
I don't post too often, but there is a lot of good debate on here. Just as much as the good debate though is some silly little exchanges. Some people are way too quick to be offended and some others are clearly on the wind up. How about we all just chat nicely about the great club we all support? Ban the word 'mate?' Ridiculous.

While this is a Pulis topic, I'm sure there are plenty of us that are a bit bored of all this in-fighting.
Therein lies the beauty of a football forum. The divergence of views !! What you find 'ridiculous' as you say, I don't.😀😀
That's what a forum is all about, I guess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 01, 2016, 08:23:22 PM
Quote from: Sted1990 on January 01, 2016, 07:34:13 PM

People may say we'll look at Stoke playing the football they are but the reality is, if we beat them tomorrow we will be 3 points from the stokealona who are paying enormous wages funded by a thriving bookmaker.

To sum up, Pulis is just what West Bromwich Albion need right now and probably for at least 2 or 3 more seasons and I'm sure given time they'll be more highs then lows.

Pulis' foundations were so strong Hughes didn't need to spend a penny on the spine of the team. This summer was the first time changes to the spine were needed, but that was down to Begovic and N'Zonzi (both brought in by Pulis) being sold on for a big profit.

As you say in 2 or 3 more seasons Pulis may well move on leaving West Brom in a much stronger position than when he took over. He's already matched what Hodgson and Clarke could achieve in their first 38 games in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 01, 2016, 09:50:09 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 01, 2016, 08:23:22 PM
Pulis' foundations were so strong Hughes didn't need to spend a penny on the spine of the team. This summer was the first time changes to the spine were needed, but that was down to Begovic and N'Zonzi (both brought in by Pulis) being sold on for a big profit.

As you say in 2 or 3 more seasons Pulis may well move on leaving West Brom in a much stronger position than when he took over. He's already matched what Hodgson and Clarke could achieve in their first 38 games in charge.
Stokelad my favourite Stokie you know we are your new bogey team? 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 02, 2016, 12:28:23 PM
A little off-topic but there's a good interview/article with Gerry Francis here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3381337/Gerry-Francis-played-against-Pele-captained-England-bossed-Spurs-did-end-right-hand-man-Tony-Pulis.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3381337/Gerry-Francis-played-against-Pele-captained-England-bossed-Spurs-did-end-right-hand-man-Tony-Pulis.html)

He seems to have a backseat approach and interestingly watches from the stands to get a better view, phoning Pulis to make changes when/if needed throughout the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 02, 2016, 02:22:33 PM
17 clean sheets in 2015, more than any other PL side. Call it what you want, negative, boring... that is down to astute coaching.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 02, 2016, 02:35:32 PM
Everyone looking forward to those crumbs Tony promised us in the January Transfer window?

Yummy, cant wait for me crumbs.

EDIT: Just in case you dont know

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-england-wba-pulis-idUKKBN0UF23C20160101 (http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-england-wba-pulis-idUKKBN0UF23C20160101)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 02, 2016, 03:30:47 PM
That's nothing new though - when have we ever bought big in January?  And it's hardly Pulis' fault.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 02, 2016, 03:54:22 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on January 02, 2016, 03:30:47 PM
That's nothing new though - when have we ever bought big in January?  And it's hardly Pulis' fault.

Yeah i get that, the language though emberasses us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2016, 03:58:09 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 02, 2016, 03:54:22 PM
Yeah i get that, the language though emberasses us.

It's just an analogy not slightly embarrassing?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 02, 2016, 04:04:44 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2016, 03:58:09 PM
It's just an analogy not slightly embarrassing?

Are you telling me that analogy that alludes to us being beggars at a feast does not emberass us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2016, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 02, 2016, 04:04:44 PM
Are you telling me that analogy that alludes to us being beggars at a feast does not emberass us?

Of course it doesn't in the context that there are Kings and Sheikhs at the table mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 02, 2016, 06:46:25 PM
PULIS IN.

Im now a pulis lover. Knight him.

Great win, even better last minute!!!

Play like we have the last 2 games and ill be happy.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2016, 06:48:09 PM
We really are lucky to have Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 02, 2016, 06:49:29 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 02, 2016, 06:46:25 PM
PULIS IN.

Im now a pulis lover. Knight him.

Great win, even better last minute!!!

Play like we have the last 2 games and ill be happy.
Wow !!!!!!!!!Knight him then
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 02, 2016, 06:49:46 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 02, 2016, 06:46:25 PM
PULIS IN.

Im now a pulis lover. Knight him.

Great win, even better last minute!!!

Play like we have the last 2 games and ill be happy.

Too late, you are forever judged as a bad judge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 02, 2016, 06:54:30 PM
He toasted some oatcakes that's for sure
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2016, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 02, 2016, 06:46:25 PM
PULIS IN.

Im now a pulis lover. Knight him.

Great win, even better last minute!!!

Play like we have the last 2 games and ill be happy.

 :D I sense sarcasm !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 02, 2016, 07:07:24 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2016, 07:04:37 PM
:D I sense sarcasm !!!

Im goin for a lie down.

 :D :D

Credit where its due.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on January 02, 2016, 07:25:52 PM
Fantastic return lately given the injuries/suspensions.

We normally do woeful at christmas/new years.

We are now above Southampton in the table who was expected to be top half. Level on points with Everton but they have a game in hand. Only a win away from the likes of closing in on the likes of Stoke, Watford, Liverpool, Palace, West Ham.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 02, 2016, 08:21:02 PM
good win today,really thought we had let them back into the game though,i don't understand how lambert was left on for 90mins,surely a straight swap for berahino would have been better with 20 mins to go
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on January 02, 2016, 10:55:41 PM
Very commendable by TP today.  He could have been vilified in the press had "Old employers with 10 men return to beat sorry Albion".  Sensible thing would have been to leave Yacob and Gardner (both of whom had been playing well).  To bring off both for CMac and Saido and go all out for the win was surprising and refreshing in equal measure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 03, 2016, 03:39:07 PM
I'd like to think that Pulis would take notice that the last two games have seen the best football we've played, and two wins, and James McClean has not been in the team, and we haven't just been chucking long balls up to Rondon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 03, 2016, 04:07:51 PM
As mentioned on a previous thread, nothing to do with striker or left midfield (Lambert and Gardner) purely down to the use of Sessegnon freeing up Morrison and the improvement of Fletcher, I'm slightly annoyed there isn't a juicy league fixture where we could continue the run - with McClean and Rondon back, instead it'll be a changed cup side then the resurgent Chelsea away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on January 03, 2016, 06:50:15 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on January 03, 2016, 03:39:07 PM
I'd like to think that Pulis would take notice that the last two games have seen the best football we've played, and two wins, and James McClean has not been in the team, and we haven't just been chucking long balls up to Rondon.
It's nothing to do with the absence of McClean, we have simply played 20 yards higher up the pitch, and consequently Sess and Morrison have been close enough to support the striker
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on January 03, 2016, 08:26:32 PM
I also think one of the main reasons that we get forward more quickly is the quality of passing from Jonny Evans from the back four. Tremendous player.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on January 03, 2016, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: botters on January 03, 2016, 08:26:32 PM
I also think one of the main reasons that we get forward more quickly is the quality of passing from Jonny Evans from the back four. Tremendous player.

Evans is pure class and I just hope no top team come sniffing for him - he looks head and shoulders above the likes of the present Chelski, Man City and Yanited central defenders.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 03, 2016, 08:39:18 PM
Quote from: botters on January 03, 2016, 08:26:32 PM
I also think one of the main reasons that we get forward more quickly is the quality of passing from Jonny Evans from the back four. Tremendous player.

I posted many months ago that signing Evans would hopefully get us higher up the pitch, I think TP has been cautious to so until the defensive shape was embedded in the team, in recent games its noticeable how quickly we get that shape back when we lose possession, I think a number of things are coming together to enable us to be more progressive.
Others include, Sess's discipline and form and the signing of an offensive/attacking coach.

In short, patience was required to see the improvement we all wanted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 03, 2016, 09:02:33 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on January 03, 2016, 08:38:04 PM
Evans is pure class and I just hope no top team come sniffing for him - he looks head and shoulders above the likes of the present Chelski, Man City and Yanited central defenders.

That's my fear as well. He's only 27.  Could well be very attractive to several big clubs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on January 03, 2016, 09:13:41 PM
Could Pulis and Peace fall out this month?

The 'crumbs' interview is a potential indicator that they could.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on January 03, 2016, 10:12:26 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on January 03, 2016, 09:02:33 PM
That's my fear as well. He's only 27.  Could well be very attractive to several big clubs

Didn't realise he was only 27, he really is one of the best buys of the season and one of our best for a long time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on January 03, 2016, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: swad35 on January 03, 2016, 10:12:26 PM
Didn't realise he was only 27, he really is one of the best buys of the season and one of our best for a long time

Potentially, he best few years are still to come !
Let's hope it's at the Albion where he could gain legend status if we progress as a team in the next few years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 03, 2016, 11:07:20 PM
Quote from: Mikkyk on January 03, 2016, 09:13:41 PM
Could Pulis and Peace fall out this month?

The 'crumbs' interview is a potential indicator that they could.
I've been saying this for months, the main factor in Pulis leaving will be due to transfer funds in my opinion.

Shortly after the Berahino/Spurs episode, Pulis indicated (again) in another interview that it was a shame Berahino was the most talented in the team, and how ideally he'd have more players of that standard (hint hint).

As much as I do like Pulis, I do also think he's a bit like Martin O'Neill was in that he is never satisfied unless he's spending. Having said this, the TV money goes up 50% next season so that may off-set some of Pulis' spending and keep things peaceful for the short-term at least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 03, 2016, 11:27:57 PM
There is a growing number of players that we need to move on, and that more than anything else will be a drag on incoming transfers and a potential source of friction. I doubt whether that will come to a head this month but next summer might be a different matter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 04, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
I remain skeptical about TP being good for WBAFC long term, but I said give him until the end of this season before judging, and as there are signs of definite improvement, I remain skeptical but really hope I am proved wrong, which is looking more and more likely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 04, 2016, 12:50:15 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on January 03, 2016, 08:38:04 PM
Evans is pure class and I just hope no top team come sniffing for him - he looks head and shoulders above the likes of the present Chelski, Man City and Yanited central defenders.

If a top team had wanted him, they would have had him. He's not good enough for that level, and they know that. Why do you think United didn't keep him?

Back on topic, and I'm annoyed by Pulis 'crumbs' comment. He's had more money than any previous Albion manager, and he's the one who's wasted a lot on players he won't use (McManaman, Chester), so why should we give him more if he's not going to use what he's got wisely?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 04, 2016, 12:53:02 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 03, 2016, 11:07:20 PM
I've been saying this for months, the main factor in Pulis leaving will be due to transfer funds in my opinion.

Shortly after the Berahino/Spurs episode, Pulis indicated (again) in another interview that it was a shame Berahino was the most talented in the team, and how ideally he'd have more players of that standard (hint hint).

As much as I do like Pulis, I do also think he's a bit like Martin O'Neill was in that he is never satisfied unless he's spending. Having said this, the TV money goes up 50% next season so that may off-set some of Pulis' spending and keep things peaceful for the short-term at least.

Every other Prem team will get the same and transfer prices will increase accordingly. It won't make a scrap of difference to us IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 04, 2016, 12:54:54 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 04, 2016, 12:53:02 PM
Every other Prem team will get the same and transfer prices will increase accordingly. It won't make a scrap of difference to us IMO.

Only in relation to Championship clubs like the Villa! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 04, 2016, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 04, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
I remain skeptical about TP being good for WBAFC long term, but I said give him until the end of this season before judging, and as there are signs of definite improvement, I remain skeptical but really hope I am proved wrong, which is looking more and more likely.

What wouldn't have been good for the long term future of the club would be getting relegated. Ask Villa if they'd take Tony Pulis!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 04, 2016, 01:44:11 PM
Quote from: swad35 on January 03, 2016, 10:12:26 PM
Didn't realise he was only 27, he really is one of the best buys of the season and one of our best for a long time

28 today...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 04, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
centre backs go on well into their 30s usually (Gmac an extreme example), easily around 34. He really looks a top signing..........well done to Pulis for getting him. One or two more of his ilk further up the pitch would be nice............
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 04, 2016, 01:58:41 PM
he can earn some credit from his doubters if he beats the Villa
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 04, 2016, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 04, 2016, 12:58:05 PM
What wouldn't have been good for the long term future of the club would be getting relegated. Ask Villa if they'd take Tony Pulis!

Relegation and TP are not the only options though, are they?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 04, 2016, 03:57:21 PM
the old chestnut........... yawn!

Pulis is here to stay unless he falls out with Peace so I think you'd better get used to it! We're doing ok so far - 52 points in 38 games is a stunning return. We're even starting to pass a little more - Sess's goal was really well worked. We just need 2 or 3 better attacking, more mobile players...........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 04, 2016, 04:08:54 PM
I've been very critical of TP, but i was at the Newcastle game (watch alot from home in Bristol via the net) and I was impressed. I wanted more shots on target and we were lucky to not concede, but we did play decently in large chunks.

I then watched the Stoke game and again thought we did well. The result in these games was kind of irrelevant, as i'd have been happier, even if we had drawn, as i could see a more positive approach.

IF TP mixes his stoic approach in away games to top 6 sides, with a stoic, but forward thinking approach in all other games, then I for one will be happy. Top 10 and a good cup run is all we can realitically hope for and being in the top league is a huge bonus for a lad who grew up watching us lose to Grimsby and Port Vale.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 04, 2016, 04:18:44 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 04, 2016, 02:34:07 PM
Relegation and TP are not the only options though, are they?

At the time he took over, yes they were the only 2 options.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 04, 2016, 04:23:59 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on January 04, 2016, 04:08:54 PM
I've been very critical of TP, but i was at the Newcastle game (watch alot from home in Bristol via the net) and I was impressed. I wanted more shots on target and we were lucky to not concede, but we did play decently in large chunks.

I then watched the Stoke game and again thought we did well. The result in these games was kind of irrelevant, as i'd have been happier, even if we had drawn, as i could see a more positive approach.

IF TP mixes his stoic approach in away games to top 6 sides, with a stoic, but forward thinking approach in all other games, then I for one will be happy. Top 10 and a good cup run is all we can realitically hope for and being in the top league is a huge bonus for a lad who grew up watching us lose to Grimsby and Port Vale.

I couldn't agree more. Although I still don't think we were that great v Newcastle and Stoke (and could quite easily have lost both games) at least the intent to go and win both games was there. I believe that you make your own luck and by going out and giving it a go we have reaped the rewards. We desperately need more quality to improve but all we ask is to give it our best.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 04, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
Probably should remove the poll because the games been and gone.

New poll though on whether we should have a poll at all seems appropriate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 04, 2016, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 04, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
Probably should remove the poll because the games been and gone.

New poll though on whether we should have a poll at all seems appropriate.

Removed and I think pointless polls may be removed from now on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 04, 2016, 06:51:45 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 04, 2016, 04:18:44 PM
At the time he took over, yes they were the only 2 options.

Can I borrow your all seeing eye please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 04, 2016, 07:04:26 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 04, 2016, 06:51:45 PM
Can I borrow your all seeing eye please.

I would have thought your one eye was enough. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on January 05, 2016, 08:57:13 AM
Quote from: Albionic on January 04, 2016, 06:51:45 PM
Can I borrow your all seeing eye please.

I think there is merit in what Jacko is saying! When Irvine was sacked, we were going backwards fast! There must have been other managers available who could have kept us up, but who? Were there any proven managers available we could have appointed with a track record to suggest they would have kept us up? Pulis was the obvious and safe choice, and from Peace's point of view, it has been 100% justified!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 05, 2016, 07:30:36 PM
My final thoughts on Tony Pulis.

TP is to Stoke what Gary Megson was to the Albion. They turned around their clubs fortunes, made them into Premier league outfits and then they were out grown and moved on because of their style of play. Forever grateful for what he did, but would we have Gary Megson back? I doubt it. As a club we had moved forward. Despite what the soothsayers predict only on one occasion  in the last 5 years have we truly flirted with relegation (ironically under Pepe Mel who some think we should have stuck with) and therefore, for me, employing TP and his approach to football is a massive step backwards in the evolution of our club. I understand the importance of being in the Premier League at the end of this season because I am old enough to realise that when we missed out on the inception of the Premier League it took us 20+ years to get our place back amongst the best teams in the country. Clubs like Wolves, Blues, Forest, Leeds etc. (hopefully Villa), if they miss out, could be chasing our tails for years to come. However, despite what some try to suggest, the football for the most part has been terrible to watch, and whilst there has been some signs of improvement in a couple of matches (ironically when TP has not had the option of picking his seemingly first choice players!), when it has been as bad as it has it doesn't take much to improve.  I, like many others with amnesia, used to watch us play Stoke and comment how we would hate to have to pay to watch us play that way, yet more often than not, now we do.
TP also causes me conflict because he is head coach of the team that I support and, like I have with all other coaches before him, I should support what he does but I struggle with the hypocrisy and, whilst not calling for him to be sacked, I am looking forward to the next step in our evolution.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on January 05, 2016, 07:42:47 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 05, 2016, 07:30:36 PM
My final thoughts on Tony Pulis.

TP is to Stoke what Gary Megson was to the Albion. They turned around their clubs fortunes, made them into Premier league outfits and then they were out grown and moved on because of their style of play. Forever grateful for what he did, but would we have Gary Megson back? I doubt it. As a club we had moved forward. Despite what the soothsayers predict only on one occasion  in the last 5 years have we truly flirted with relegation (ironically under Pepe Mel who some think we should have stuck with) and therefore, for me, employing TP and his approach to football is a massive step backwards in the evolution of our club. I understand the importance of being in the Premier League at the end of this season because I am old enough to realise that when we missed out on the inception of the Premier League it took us 20+ years to get our place back amongst the best teams in the country. Clubs like Wolves, Blues, Forest, Leeds etc. (hopefully Villa), if they miss out, could be chasing our tails for years to come. However, despite what some try to suggest, the football for the most part has been terrible to watch, and whilst there has been some signs of improvement in a couple of matches (ironically when TP has not had the option of picking his seemingly first choice players!), when it has been as bad as it has it doesn't take much to improve.  I, like many others with amnesia, used to watch us play Stoke and comment how we would hate to have to pay to watch us play that way, yet more often than not, now we do.
TP also causes me conflict because he is head coach of the team that I support and, like I have with all other coaches before him, I should support what he does but I struggle with the hypocrisy and, whilst not calling for him to be sacked, I am looking forward to the next step in our evolution.
Excellent post, spot on and my thoughts exactly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 05, 2016, 08:08:52 PM
TP is to Stoke what GM is to WBA is a very good assessment.

Big difference is that whilst both are old school disciplinarians, Pulis has learnt to evolve his management style over the years which goes someway towards his success at other clubs whilst Megsons career has nosedived spectacularly!

Really not bothered what brand of football is served up as long as we are picking up points at the top table - like it or not the PL is the only place to be!

PS: 25 years ago this weekend is the Woking anniversary - dark, dark days indeed!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 05, 2016, 08:12:07 PM
Quote from: Shanewba90 on January 05, 2016, 07:42:47 PM
Excellent post, spot on and my thoughts exactly

Except its not.

The club was heading for relegation, the super computer was broke, the brains had gone to the FA, the idiots were starting to run the Asylum, fortunately the man at the top knew it and put it into safe, proven hands.

Megson has never been a success at the highest level, his methods were crude but at the time needed, Pulis has a proven record at the highest level and his pragmatic approach is exactly what the club needs.

If people can not see the truth of this, then thank the Lord they are no where near decision making at our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 05, 2016, 08:48:57 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 05, 2016, 08:12:07 PM
Except its not.

The club was heading for relegation, the super computer was broke, the brains had gone to the FA, the idiots were starting to run the Asylum, fortunately the man at the top knew it and put it into safe, proven hands.

Megson has never been a success at the highest level, his methods were crude but at the time needed, Pulis has a proven record at the highest level and his pragmatic approach is exactly what the club needs.

If people can not see the truth of this, then thank the Lord they are no where near decision making at our club.

Excellent post.

We may in the final table only flirted with relegation once but under Irvine thats where we were heading and he was out of his depth as with Di Matteo and Clarke none had any idea how to turn it around and so were replaced, luckily Peace came to his senses in time, realised what was happening around him and got someone who knows the division and has the experience to back it up.

He's not Corberan and just as importantly he's not the worst coach in the world as some seem to claim and take pleasure in doing even barrel scraping at times to try and justify it BUT he was what we needed and so far is doing a decent job.

Yes he will waste money just like every other manager/ coach around, the Premier League is awash with players who have cost clubs millions and have not been value for money, I doubt there is a coach/ manager around who has not wasted money even Fergie and Mourinho fall into that category.

He will leave us on a much more solid foundation than the mess we were in when he came.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on January 05, 2016, 09:35:29 PM
I think we have started to see a few green shoots of improvement since Ben Garner got his feet under the table, and started to get his ideas across

There have been a couple of lapses, but especially the last couple of games we have been noticeably higher up the pitch, and also pressed higher, and have started to pass the ball more through midfield.

Also we have had more goal attempts (22+16 I think) on goal in the last two matches than the previous half dozen matches combined
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on January 05, 2016, 09:38:25 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 05, 2016, 08:12:07 PM
Except its not.

The club was heading for relegation, the super computer was broke, the brains had gone to the FA, the idiots were starting to run the Asylum, fortunately the man at the top knew it and put it into safe, proven hands.

Megson has never been a success at the highest level, his methods were crude but at the time needed, Pulis has a proven record at the highest level and his pragmatic approach is exactly what the club needs.

If people can not see the truth of this, then thank the Lord they are no where near decision making at our club.

Top post.

Megson will always be a legend but he isn't half the manager Pulis is, look at what they have both achieved in the last 10 years.
There is no one football better for a West Bromwich Albion right now.
Pulis critics, we have 52 points in 38 games, that's a fantastic achievement.

All I want is winning football. We don' have a reputation for fancy football, Mowbray tried but there's nothing fancy about relegation from the premiership conceding a shed load of goals. Maybe we played move fancy football 30 years ago but are we Aston villa leaving off our past glories? I hope not.
As long as we're holding our own in the best league in the world then let's enjoy it. It won't last forever, that I can guarantee!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 05, 2016, 09:47:29 PM
Folks..

If we're going to have this debate, can we please do it without referring to one side as "Pulis lovers" and the others as "Pulis haters".

It's childish and what's more its boring. We're all better than that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 05, 2016, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 05, 2016, 07:30:36 PM

TP also causes me conflict because he is head coach of the team that I support and, like I have with all other coaches before him, I should support what he does but I struggle with the hypocrisy and, whilst not calling for him to be sacked, I am looking forward to the next step in our evolution.

There's nothing hypocritical with changing your opinion. During the summer some supporters wanted to keep Lescott and not sign Jonny Evans. But after seeing Lescott struggle away at Villa while Evans played well at West Brom they would have admitted they were wrong.

Not long after Pulis took over one poster said he wasn't looking forward to just hoofing up to 16th place, which is fair enough. But since then Pulis has picked up over 50 points which is top 10 form. Again that poster will have probably admitted they were wrong.

We can't always be right in life. But it doesn't mean you're a hypocrite to admit you were wrong  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 06, 2016, 01:52:22 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 05, 2016, 10:46:03 PM
There's nothing hypocritical with changing your opinion. During the summer some supporters wanted to keep Lescott and not sign Jonny Evans. But after seeing Lescott struggle away at Villa while Evans played well at West Brom they would have admitted they were wrong.

Not long after Pulis took over one poster said he wasn't looking forward to just hoofing up to 16th place, which is fair enough. But since then Pulis has picked up over 50 points which is top 10 form. Again that poster will have probably admitted they were wrong.

We can't always be right in life. But it doesn't mean you're a hypocrite to admit you were wrong  :)
I  agree and a sound argument but 12 months after his appointment my opinion hasn't changed much. The hypocrisy extends to the fact that despite having had 6 months longer with the players, two transfer windows insisting on the final say as to who is bought and the funding to support it, his record this season up to Christmas was not significantly better than our previous coach but we are urged to give him more time and support. "Its a big job and he inherited a poor squad" A result against a poor Newcastle side and a result against Stoke heavily influenced by a refereeing decision are not enough, yet.

Lescott was a good signing and, credit where it is due, Jonny Evans is an excellent signing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 06, 2016, 08:10:57 AM
Pulis has 50 points in 38 matches.

He has improved and more importantly stabilised the squad.

The style of play is not great at times and others it's been awful but it's better than some are saying in my opinion. I really see this team developing into a strong defensive, counter attacking team with a few more attacking players , similar to Roy's Albion.


Pulis really deserves the chance to develop this project more because there has been progress under him.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 07, 2016, 05:17:29 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 06, 2016, 01:52:22 AM
I  agree and a sound argument but 12 months after his appointment my opinion hasn't changed much. The hypocrisy extends to the fact that despite having had 6 months longer with the players, two transfer windows insisting on the final say as to who is bought and the funding to support it, his record this season up to Christmas was not significantly better than our previous coach but we are urged to give him more time and support. "Its a big job and he inherited a poor squad" A result against a poor Newcastle side and a result against Stoke heavily influenced by a refereeing decision are not enough, yet.

Lescott was a good signing and, credit where it is due, Jonny Evans is an excellent signing.

Not hypocritical at all, its fact and given his previous experience in the top league of English football then he is in a much better position than that previous bloke you were so keen on to turn the club around and he will leave us in a ,uch better place than that previous bloke did.

We get it, you were one of Alans biggest fans and you don't like Pulis. Everytime we lost under your man there was an excuse, when somethings happens under Pulis its a disaster or due to the failings of the other clubs. There does seem some that are not happy with him but at least most do give credit where its due, you cannot do that and seem happy to scrape that barrel. I'm sure we'll have a defeat soon for you to come back and tell us about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on January 07, 2016, 06:11:45 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 06, 2016, 01:52:22 AM
I  agree and a sound argument but 12 months after his appointment my opinion hasn't changed much. The hypocrisy extends to the fact that despite having had 6 months longer with the players, two transfer windows insisting on the final say as to who is bought and the funding to support it, his record this season up to Christmas was not significantly better than our previous coach but we are urged to give him more time and support. "Its a big job and he inherited a poor squad" A result against a poor Newcastle side and a result against Stoke heavily influenced by a refereeing decision are not enough, yet.

Lescott was a good signing and, credit where it is due, Jonny Evans is an excellent signing.

But his record is better and you have to include the last 2 games because they are real matches that were played. A couple of different refereeing decisions meant we would have beaten Liverpool and drawn with Swansea and Bournemouth. You could also say that poor Newcastle team beat Liverpool, Spurs and "should have" beaten Arsenal on Saturday...but they didn't.
If's and but's can always be used but the reality is we are on 26 points half way through the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 07, 2016, 06:13:13 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 07, 2016, 05:17:29 PM
Not hypocritical at all, its fact and given his previous experience in the top league of English football then he is in a much better position than that previous bloke you were so keen on to turn the club around and he will leave us in a ,uch better place than that previous bloke did.

We get it, you were one of Alans biggest fans and you don't like Pulis. Everytime we lost under your man there was an excuse, when somethings happens under Pulis its a disaster or due to the failings of the other clubs. There does seem some that are not happy with him but at least most do give credit where its due, you cannot do that and seem happy to scrape that barrel. I'm sure we'll have a defeat soon for you to come back and tell us about.
And yet clearly you don't get it.  :-[

1. Not Alan Irvine's biggest fan not even a big fan but you are correct that I prefer his footballing philosophy to that of TP.
2. The excuses are made (and accepted) every time for TP that were not for Irvine, hence the hypocrisy. (And your blinkered out look can not even recognise that I have praised and given credit to TP when reasonable to do so  :P)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 07, 2016, 06:21:13 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 07, 2016, 06:13:13 PM
And yet clearly you don't get it.  :-[

1. Not Alan Irvine's biggest fan not even a big fan but you are correct that I prefer his footballing philosophy to that of TP.
2. The excuses are made (and accepted) every time for TP that were not for Irvine, hence the hypocrisy. (And your blinkered out look can not even recognise that I have praised and given credit to TP when reasonable to do so  :P)

No I do get it and I think we all do given the replies to you from others.

Pulis is proven at this level, his football is not the best at times but also not the worst and certainly not the disaster you claim at times. Theres more to it than just set pieces, we've played some decent stuff at times. The squad does need change and yes he has wasted money along with every other coach/ manager who's managed in the game so yes people will give a proven manager a touch more time than someone who was out of his depth the day he took over and never did anything to change that view, the lack of clubs clambering to give him their main job tells it all so no hypocrisy at all. No doubt more money will be wasted at some stage, thats football unfortunately.

I don't have any blinkered views on anything, I just read posts, its enough to gauge opinions.

Its okay giving credit when its meant not when its usually followed by a "but" or another subtle dig.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 07, 2016, 06:25:06 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 07, 2016, 06:13:13 PM
And yet clearly you don't get it.  :-[

1. Not Alan Irvine's biggest fan not even a big fan but you are correct that I prefer his footballing philosophy to that of TP.
2. The excuses are made (and accepted) every time for TP that were not for Irvine, hence the hypocrisy. (And your blinkered out look can not even recognise that I have praised and given credit to TP when reasonable to do so  :P)

Genuinely interested... What philosophy is that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on January 07, 2016, 06:55:25 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 07, 2016, 06:25:06 PM
Genuinely interested... What philosophy is that?

Platonic I believe  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 07, 2016, 07:45:19 PM
Quote from: baggie53 on January 05, 2016, 09:35:29 PM
I think we have started to see a few green shoots of improvement since Ben Garner got his feet under the table, and started to get his ideas across

There have been a couple of lapses, but especially the last couple of games we have been noticeably higher up the pitch, and also pressed higher, and have started to pass the ball more through midfield.

Also we have had more goal attempts (22+16 I think) on goal in the last two matches than the previous half dozen matches combined

Exactly. I've long been critical of Pulis but these two games gave me massive hope for the future, and this would still have been the case for me even if we had drawn those two matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on January 07, 2016, 08:22:42 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 05, 2016, 08:12:07 PM
Except its not.

The club was heading for relegation, the super computer was broke, the brains had gone to the FA, the idiots were starting to run the Asylum, fortunately the man at the top knew it and put it into safe, proven hands.

Megson has never been a success at the highest level, his methods were crude but at the time needed, Pulis has a proven record at the highest level and his pragmatic approach is exactly what the club needs.

If people can not see the truth of this, then thank the Lord they are no where near decision making at our club.
In my eyes for a club that has been in the premier league as long as we have Pulis isn't what we should be looking for, that's my opinion and all i will say on it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 07, 2016, 08:30:00 PM
Quote from: frazzle on January 07, 2016, 07:45:19 PM
Exactly. I've long been critical of Pulis but these two games gave me massive hope for the future, and this would still have been the case for me even if we had drawn those two matches.

Oh dear. We beat the poorest newcastle side in years and had a bit of luck vs our bogey team. Im happy we got the results but he is not the manager for me, i dont think we need to play the type of football we do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 07, 2016, 08:38:47 PM
Quote from: Shanewba90 on January 07, 2016, 08:22:42 PM
In my eyes for a club that has been in the premier league as long as we have Pulis isn't what we should be looking for, that's my opinion and all i will say on it

I agree he isn't what we "should" have been looking for but going down the untried/ untested route for too long as we did made him the best/ most obvious choice at that time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on January 07, 2016, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 07, 2016, 08:30:00 PM
Oh dear. We beat the poorest newcastle side in years and had a bit of luck vs our bogey team. Im happy we got the results but he is not the manager for me, i dont think we need to play the type of football we do.

Agree Newcastle aren't the best, but they had a mini revival and came into the game on the back of a couple of good results, also giving Arsenal a run at the Emirates.

I don't see that we were lucky against Stoke. We kept their much hyped "Holy Trinity" quiet, and had the better chances (and more of them) even before the sending off
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 07, 2016, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: Shanewba90 on January 07, 2016, 08:22:42 PM
In my eyes for a club that has been in the premier league as long as we have Pulis isn't what we should be looking for, that's my opinion and all i will say on it

How long have Villa been in the Premier League, I bet their fans would love Pulis at their club right now.  I really don't know who some of our fans think we should be having as manager, we were very lucky Pulis was available when he was and he is the best manager we could wish for at this present time. We've had a miserable couple of seasons around the bottom three, I want to get back to safe mid table like we were under Hodgson. The job Pulis has done at this football club is not appreciated enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 07, 2016, 09:08:15 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 07, 2016, 08:30:00 PM
Oh dear. We beat the poorest newcastle side in years and had a bit of luck vs our bogey team. Im happy we got the results but he is not the manager for me, i dont think we need to play the type of football we do.

Sorry mate, to date we have agreed on Pulis but I don't see what was wrong with the last two performances. It was pretty much what I have been asking for from day 1. Not Barcelona, just positive football. Therefore I give praise when I think its due. The only reason I didn't post was because I was away at New Year.

If he reverts to the awful Bournemouth and Swansea performances, that terrible performance against 9 man Stoke earlier this season (and much of the first half of the season), then I will consider it another blip and be pretty peeved about it, but I don't think we should dismiss the more positive approach that he put in place in two games running.

Overall I'm still siding against him generally speaking, but lets be honest with ourselves, the last two performances were decent, and you can't argue with his points tally to date. If he maintains this approach then I'll be happy enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 07, 2016, 09:11:57 PM
the football has been getting better the last few weeks under pulis,my biggest concern is transfer dealings,ie the players he wants ie chester and mac,for all those on here happy for him to keep us lower to midtable forevermore,look at Leicester and Watford and see what can be achieved
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on January 07, 2016, 09:15:00 PM
People keep mentioning how much Villa would love to have Pulis but the ones I've spoken to have said they would rather go down than have him..... Pretty much like we used to when he was at Stoke but we don't like mentioning that now do we, the football 'isn't as bad as people make out'. We've become like Stoke fans were and always trying to justify it rather than just admitting we've sold out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 07, 2016, 09:16:28 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on January 07, 2016, 09:11:57 PM
the football has been getting better the last few weeks under pulis,my biggest concern is transfer dealings,ie the players he wants ie chester and mac,for all those on here happy for him to keep us lower to midtable forevermore,look at Leicester and Watford and see what can be achieved

Without a run in the side none of us know how good or bad those 2 players really are. Most were delighted with the signings. I just don't thin Pulis has been brave enough to use them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 07, 2016, 09:22:30 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on January 07, 2016, 09:15:00 PM
People keep mentioning how much Villa would love to have Pulis but the ones I've spoken to have said they would rather go down than have him..... Pretty much like we used to when he was at Stoke but we don't like mentioning that now do we, the football 'isn't as bad as people make out'. We've become like Stoke fans were and always trying to justify it rather than just admitting we've sold out.

The football is not as bad as people make out comment was from me so you can quote it, I won't be offended  :D

I don't think it is, I have been surprised at times by some of the football we've played, we have genuinely played some decent stuff, admittedly not for as long as we would like but despite the claims from some its not all hoof and negative stuff.

When he was at Stoke I was one of those that never wanted him anywhere near this club, didn't want him before he came but he's here so we deal with it.

Not sure how we've sold out by appointing an experienced manager at this level after we've tried a few who shouldn't have been anywhere near the club in the first place. For the sake of repeating myself he will leave us on a better and more solid foundation than the day he walked in.

Yep, villa fans are really looking forward to that championship next season, depends who you speak to, some i've spoken to now regret they had Sherwood and think we got the better deal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 07, 2016, 09:26:02 PM
I wonder if Villa fans were glad they appointed Sherwood and Garde because at least they promised to play nice football and had an attacking philosophy (even though they hardly win).  :o

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 07, 2016, 09:27:51 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 07, 2016, 08:30:00 PM
Oh dear. We beat the poorest newcastle side in years and had a bit of luck vs our bogey team. Im happy we got the results but he is not the manager for me, i dont think we need to play the type of football we do.
Its not just the last two games though is it ? , since Arsenal we have played some of the best teams in the league and took points off them with some decent football mixed in with hard defensive work. There will be days like Swansea and Bournemouth mixed in but as long as we get more of the other and keep this positive more attacking style i will be very happy.
Pulis is a better,more adaptable manager than many imagined....and i include myself in that.
How many previous Albion managers would have slipped to Newcastle and Stoke in recent weeks ? , a lot id imagine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 07, 2016, 09:30:32 PM
Quote from: Legend on January 07, 2016, 09:26:02 PM
I wonder if Villa fans were glad they appointed Sherwood and Garde because at least they promised to play nice football and had an attacking philosophy (even though they hardly win).  :o

That would probably be true, but for the fact there are more options available than 'play rubbish football and stay up' and 'play good football and go down'.

But it's an either / or debate obviously, there can be no middle ground.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 07, 2016, 09:31:36 PM
The other thing with Pulis is that he never seems to let a bad run fester. A bit like when Roy was here. Very glad to have him here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 07, 2016, 09:49:10 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 07, 2016, 09:22:30 PM
The football is not as bad as people make out comment was from me so you can quote it, I won't be offended  :D

I don't think it is, I have been surprised at times by some of the football we've played, we have genuinely played some decent stuff, admittedly not for as long as we would like but despite the claims from some its not all hoof and negative stuff.

When he was at Stoke I was one of those that never wanted him anywhere near this club, didn't want him before he came but he's here so we deal with it.

Not sure how we've sold out by appointing an experienced manager at this level after we've tried a few who shouldn't have been anywhere near the club in the first place. For the sake of repeating myself he will leave us on a better and more solid foundation than the day he walked in.

Yep, villa fans are really looking forward to that championship next season, depends who you speak to, some i've spoken to now regret they had Sherwood and think we got the better deal.
Sorry would have done us good seasons ago.Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 07, 2016, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: frazzle on January 07, 2016, 09:08:15 PM
Sorry mate, to date we have agreed on Pulis but I don't see what was wrong with the last two performances. It was pretty much what I have been asking for from day 1. Not Barcelona, just positive football. Therefore I give praise when I think its due. The only reason I didn't post was because I was away at New Year.

If he reverts to the awful Bournemouth and Swansea performances, that terrible performance against 9 man Stoke earlier this season (and much of the first half of the season), then I will consider it another blip and be pretty peeved about it, but I don't think we should dismiss the more positive approach that he put in place in two games running.

Overall I'm still siding against him generally speaking, but lets be honest with ourselves, the last two performances were decent, and you can't argue with his points tally to date. If he maintains this approach then I'll be happy enough.

The performances were good i do agree,  and suppose i am being harsh.

If we keep these performances up, which i hope then ill be happy and will stop moaning about TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 07, 2016, 11:07:03 PM
Having a meal together can mean that it becomes a bit more relaxed conversation.

Labour in the 60's had a beer and sandwich discussion with unions.

As a senior steward in the as then A E U W union, I used to have discussions with management over lunch too.
Things were less heated and easier to understand.
They were able to put proposals to their board and we were able to put the same proposals to our members.

It may be the same for Pullis and Peace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 08, 2016, 09:47:36 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 07, 2016, 10:34:17 PM
The performances were good i do agree,  and suppose i am being harsh.

If we keep these performances up, which i hope then ill be happy and will stop moaning about TP.

Think many have forgotten what decent exciting football is (suppose it has been a long time) if we think those were good games to watch.  Better than the usual dross but still dross.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 08, 2016, 10:01:02 AM
Interesting comments regarding JP - basically render unto Tony that which is Tony's, render unto Jeremy that which is Jeremy's, and Tony will be happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on January 08, 2016, 12:29:32 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 08, 2016, 09:47:36 AM
Think many have forgotten what decent exciting football is (suppose it has been a long time) if we think those were good games to watch.  Better than the usual dross but still dross.
It shows how poor the football is (not results) when all people talk about is McCleans goal against Spurs, it was a good goal but that's the only highlight of the entire season goal wise. As I said previously we have turned into Stoke fans constantly trying to justify it as if no Pulis equals relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 08, 2016, 12:41:16 PM
I'm firmly in the do not like the defensive style that Pulis has adopted, however, (and its too early to say this with confidence) I am encouraged that TP has brought in a new attacking coach (I can't bring myself to say offensive coach) and our forward play seems to have improved subsequently.

If this is TP acknowledging the short-comings of the first year of his tenure and addressing them, then BLOODY WELL DONE TP.

For me the Jury is still out, there are signs of improvement and I really hope this new coach and attacking emphasis are another improvement. After all, we would all like to see us winning and playing well surely ???!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 08, 2016, 12:50:04 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on January 08, 2016, 12:29:32 PM
I said previously we have turned into Stoke fans

Speak for yourself by singing your own song  ;).
Albion till I die.
SOTV.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on January 08, 2016, 01:22:25 PM
Quote
For me the Jury is still out, there are signs of improvement and I really hope this new coach and attacking emphasis are another improvement. After all, we would all like to see us winning and playing well surely

I think we need to understand that things won't improve dramatically until TP gets the squad sorted out. There is a distinct lack of creative quality in midfield and a lamentable shortage of attacking options. Recruitment over the last few seasons, ever since DA left, has been poor to say the least. Add to the mix the fact that the cornerstones of our defence are dangerously close to being over the hill and it's clear that TP has a major squad building task in front of him.

Will Jeremy relax the purse strings to allow him to do that? Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 08, 2016, 01:24:19 PM
Quote from: Xpresso on January 08, 2016, 01:22:25 PM
Will Jeremy relax the purse strings to allow him to do that? Only time will tell.
He already has.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 08, 2016, 01:46:22 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 08, 2016, 09:47:36 AM
Think many have forgotten what decent exciting football is (suppose it has been a long time) if we think those were good games to watch.  Better than the usual dross but still dross.

Totally agree. You can't argue with the workrate, organisation or the results but the football on show was hardly exciting. Results are fulfilling the aim of the 'business'. To stay in the top flight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 08, 2016, 02:14:18 PM
I keep seeing the argument that with a few more players he will unleash his inner Guardiola. We have players with attacking instincts but too often they are sidelined or played in roles that stifle their attacking abilities. I am not saying the squad couldn't be improved but what we have at the moment will not be untypical of what we have in the future for the football to improve dramatically Pulis will have to adopt a less cautious approach.

I think what we have witnessed in the last couple of matches and on a few occasions last season might be the high watermarks of Pulis's attacking intent. Yes it is better but it is hardly free flowing football a couple of decent passing moves that have lead to goals but generally the tactics have been the same.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 08, 2016, 02:19:04 PM
His attacking sides have probably been forced on him by injuries and suspensions.
He will revert to type soon.  :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 08, 2016, 02:39:30 PM
I think the disagreement about us playing decent football stems from where he try to play what some deem as 'decent stuff'.

In years gone by, we've had a deep lying midfielder who would collect the ball off the defence and then distribute it (Greening was a great example of this role). So the ball starts with the defence, gets taken on by the (deeper) midfield, and then fed into the attackers (not necessarily the strikers). The key here is that we would have a good 'on the ball' deep midfielder, who could pick a pass, spread play, and even split the opposition lines of defence.

With Yacob and Fletcher, we don't really have that kind of midfielder. This means you can more balls from back to front. Obviouslly this could be from longer balls (passing to Anichebe vs Newcastle), but it can be more calculated too: the ball that Dawson played to Lambert vs Stoke (when he fluffed his first touch, then they scored down the other end) is a great example of this.

In the past couple of games, and when we've played our best football under Pulis, there's been good passing and movement once the ball has been fed into the attackers (Sessegnon's goal vs Stoke, goal vs Spurs), but we still tend to go 'back to front' quite quickly. This is why I think Anichebe had such a big impact vs Newcastle, because we were still going back to front, but he was holding the ball up better so the other attackers could link up the play.

However, I'm sure there are many that don't like the fact that we still play in a direct manner, and would like us to revert to playing through midfield. That's fine.

I think once we get to the final third, our football in the past couple of games has been decent. The build up for Fletcher's left foot volley was really good. Morrison's volley vs Newcastle had some decent play before it IIRC. Pulis clearly likes to make sure our defensive structure is intact if the ball is won in the midfield by the opposition, hence the rigidity.

[Note: This is a massive generalisation so I'm sure you can find counter examples. In fact I was looking at the highlights of when we beat Bristol City 4-1 a few seasons back and we scored from a long kick downfield.]
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 08, 2016, 02:59:39 PM
Good point Mark - playing 'decent stuff' means different things to everyone I think.

We did play from back to front quickly under Roy and Steve Clarke when we were playing some of the most enjoyable, incisive football I've ever seen us play (I'm 39). Then we had World class attackers  -  a bang in form Odemwingie and Lukaku along with younger more mobile Morrison and Brunt who joined attack quickly.

Possession football is not great to watch unless it goes somewhere imo - e.g. when Brendan Roger's style football doesn't an end product (zzzzzzzzzz).

'Lumping' it forward is only fun to watch if the midfield join the attackers quickly and you play from there - something we've done more effectively lately (except Swansea and Bournemouth).

I can see where Pulis is trying to push us personally but I just don't see us currently
1) having players to play a high pressing game, possession attacking football (Liverpool, Everton, Stoke, Man City) or
2) having enough players to play a swift (pacey) counter attacking game effectively.

Therefore, we need to be realistic in that until/ unless we better equip ourselves up front we're going to have to play to our strengths - a strong defence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 08, 2016, 05:07:18 PM
Some sensible posts there. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 08, 2016, 05:34:24 PM
Quote from: MarkW on January 08, 2016, 02:39:30 PM
I think the disagreement about us playing decent football stems from where he try to play what some deem as 'decent stuff'.

In years gone by, we've had a deep lying midfielder who would collect the ball off the defence and then distribute it (Greening was a great example of this role). So the ball starts with the defence, gets taken on by the (deeper) midfield, and then fed into the attackers (not necessarily the strikers). The key here is that we would have a good 'on the ball' deep midfielder, who could pick a pass, spread play, and even split the opposition lines of defence.

With Yacob and Fletcher, we don't really have that kind of midfielder. This means you can more balls from back to front. Obviouslly this could be from longer balls (passing to Anichebe vs Newcastle), but it can be more calculated too: the ball that Dawson played to Lambert vs Stoke (when he fluffed his first touch, then they scored down the other end) is a great example of this.

In the past couple of games, and when we've played our best football under Pulis, there's been good passing and movement once the ball has been fed into the attackers (Sessegnon's goal vs Stoke, goal vs Spurs), but we still tend to go 'back to front' quite quickly. This is why I think Anichebe had such a big impact vs Newcastle, because we were still going back to front, but he was holding the ball up better so the other attackers could link up the play.

However, I'm sure there are many that don't like the fact that we still play in a direct manner, and would like us to revert to playing through midfield. That's fine.

I think once we get to the final third, our football in the past couple of games has been decent. The build up for Fletcher's left foot volley was really good. Morrison's volley vs Newcastle had some decent play before it IIRC. Pulis clearly likes to make sure our defensive structure is intact if the ball is won in the midfield by the opposition, hence the rigidity.

[Note: This is a massive generalisation so I'm sure you can find counter examples. In fact I was looking at the highlights of when we beat Bristol City 4-1 a few seasons back and we scored from a long kick downfield.]

I've mentioned this before. You watch whenever our centre halves have the ball, not one midfielder drops deep to show for it. This results in us lumping it upfield. Whether or not this is tactical I do not know. Did Pulis ever consider bringing in another midfielder that could do that role? Mulumbu did exactly this for us during his time here albeit his passing wasn't all that great at times. I still think it was criminal to let him go on a free without a replacement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 08, 2016, 05:55:03 PM
Theres still the direct ball but ive been heartened lately by the balls from Evans/Gmac into Fletcher/ Yacob/ Morrison . Neat and tidy plus much better on the eye and less giving away the ball cheaply.
For now i can cope with a mix of that , i just don't want hoofs from the back nearly all game when i know we have some decent footballers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 09, 2016, 12:12:39 AM
After watching Pulis for a full season, this is my personal take on it.

By and large his football is watchable, albeit it is often uninspiring at times. However, the 'ugly hoofball' tag is unjustified in my view. I'm not saying there aren't times when the football is 'ugly hoofball' (Swansea was definitely that), but it's not too common and is very different from his watchable, more usual approach. At the other end of the spectrum, his football can be more free-flowing (Stoke) but that is quite rare, and usually it's somewhere inbetween, whilst being practical.

I will also say this, it seems the media love to promote his football as ugly, which is probably from his time at Stoke. Neutrals/opposing fans latch on to this whenever we play them as it gives them a sense of one-upmanship (see Liverpool). However, as I said earlier, the uglier side of Pulis isn't all that common in my view and whilst it's definitely not free-flowing, and nor will it ever be - I think for the most part it is definitely watchable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on January 09, 2016, 07:36:11 AM
i think leicester have shown the way for the "smaller" clubs to be succesful today you don't need more   possession to win matches  on a regular basis.
 We are not a million miles from the Leicester formula  two good "lucky"signings would make a world of difference to the teams performances and results.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 09, 2016, 07:51:11 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 09, 2016, 12:12:39 AM
After watching Pulis for a full season, this is my personal take on it.

By and large his football is watchable, albeit it is often uninspiring at times. However, the 'ugly hoofball' tag is unjustified in my view. I'm not saying there aren't times when the football is 'ugly hoofball' (Swansea was definitely that), but it's not too common and is very different from his watchable, more usual approach. At the other end of the spectrum, his football can be more free-flowing (Stoke) but that is quite rare, and usually it's somewhere inbetween, whilst being practical.

I will also say this, it seems the media love to promote his football as ugly, which is probably from his time at Stoke. Neutrals/opposing fans latch on to this whenever we play them as it gives them a sense of one-upmanship (see Liverpool). However, as I said earlier, the uglier side of Pulis isn't all that common in my view and whilst it's definitely not free-flowing, and nor will it ever be - I think for the most part it is definitely watchable.

What a realistic and down to earth post, spot on. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on January 09, 2016, 08:11:29 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 09, 2016, 12:12:39 AM
After watching Pulis for a full season, this is my personal take on it.

By and large his football is watchable, albeit it is often uninspiring at times. However, the 'ugly hoofball' tag is unjustified in my view. I'm not saying there aren't times when the football is 'ugly hoofball' (Swansea was definitely that), but it's not too common and is very different from his watchable, more usual approach. At the other end of the spectrum, his football can be more free-flowing (Stoke) but that is quite rare, and usually it's somewhere inbetween, whilst being practical.

I will also say this, it seems the media love to promote his football as ugly, which is probably from his time at Stoke. Neutrals/opposing fans latch on to this whenever we play them as it gives them a sense of one-upmanship (see Liverpool). However, as I said earlier, the uglier side of Pulis isn't all that common in my view and whilst it's definitely not free-flowing, and nor will it ever be - I think for the most part it is definitely watchable.

Not too much difference than before style wise, big differences in organisation and quality at set pieces. I feel every time we have a corner of free kick we are going to score, in the past it left me with pure dread that we were going to make a hash of it. Thumbs up from me for Pulis in his first year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 09, 2016, 09:03:38 AM
There is a world of difference between ourselves and Leicester in terms of attacking intent, Pulis would be tearing his hair out at some of Leicester's defending and their lack of defensive shape and the way Fuchs joins the first phase of the attack without a covering midfielder filling in for him would see Fuchs training with the under 21's.

I am not saying there are not issues with the squad but some of these Pulis has either created or not made any better. However this will always be the case. We will never have the perfect squad and there will always be areas we could improve.

Pulisball is essentially defensive percentage  football. It comes into own when frustrating superior opponents and grinding out results. However not every team in Premier League is vastly superior to us but our approach seldom changes.

The last two home games were an improvement but from a very low base if it was maintained and we attempted to play some football in our away fixtures then I might warm towards him. However with 26 points on the board and Pulis making diplomatic noises on the often vexed issue of transfers we will no doubt see his vision blossom and if this time this year we are a dynamic and attacking team I will be as delighted as I will be surprised.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 09, 2016, 06:16:35 PM
Last two home games were part of the larger picture of getting the points on the board.Nothing more nothing less.
He will 1.Keep us safe and 2.Get us up as far as he can.
That is his job and he is bloody good at it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 09, 2016, 06:30:13 PM
Moaning about the fixtures before today's game, well tone you have just managed to add another game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 09, 2016, 06:42:27 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on January 09, 2016, 06:30:13 PM
Moaning about the fixtures before today's game, well tone you have just managed to add another game

I really cant stand the hoofball. I really can't.

But how do you blame him for that one? We put out a very strong side and the players had more of everything. Football is a low scoring sport, these things just happen on occasion.

I'm all for calling someone on their poor planning, but i think you can't fairly blame him for this one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 09, 2016, 07:44:22 PM
when will he realise we haven't got the players to perform at 4 4 2 even against Bristol city at home,why he persists with lambert at all is beyond me,today with no lambert yacob in and Morrison and fletcher pushed forward this game would have been over with by half time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on January 09, 2016, 07:47:41 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on January 09, 2016, 07:44:22 PM
when will he realise we haven't got the players to perform at 4 4 2 even against Bristol city at home,why he persists with lambert at all is beyond me,today with no lambert yacob in and Morrison and fletcher pushed forward this game would have been over with by half time

Totally agree. It was apparent today that 442 just doesn't suit the players we have, and Lambert was again a passenger
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 09, 2016, 08:40:02 PM
The return of 4-4-2 and one of the poorest performances of the season no coincidence. Lambert's and Chester's performances were not great adverts for his acumen in the transfer market either. Whatever encouraging signs could be gleaned from the last two home games have largely been overshadowed by this.     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 09, 2016, 08:49:12 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 09, 2016, 08:40:02 PM
The return of 4-4-2 and one of the poorest performances of the season no coincidence. Lambert's and Chester's performances were not great adverts for his acumen in the transfer market either. Whatever encouraging signs could be gleaned from the last two home games have largely been overshadowed by this.   

I'd say the positives more than outweigh the negatives at the moment. A Premier League team struggling in a cup game doesn't seem to be a rare occurrence these days. His other signings such as Fletcher, Evans, McClean have worked out well. Like every manager in world football he will make good and poor signings. He can't do any worse than our "scouting department" did in the last two seasons beforehand. If I recall the majority of posters on here were happy with the signings of Chester and Lambert, I'm sure Pulis expected more from them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 09, 2016, 09:13:45 PM
We need attacking players with pace, who can carry the ball and have done for three years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on January 09, 2016, 09:19:01 PM
Quote from: darbolina on January 09, 2016, 09:13:45 PM
We need attacking players with pace, who can carry the ball and have done for three years.

Mcmanaman could give us that if Pulis would start him before the likes of McLean and Gardner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 09, 2016, 11:53:33 PM
Quote from: Legend on January 09, 2016, 08:49:12 PM
I'd say the positives more than outweigh the negatives at the moment. A Premier League team struggling in a cup game doesn't seem to be a rare occurrence these days. His other signings such as Fletcher, Evans, McClean have worked out well. Like every manager in world football he will make good and poor signings. He can't do any worse than our "scouting department" did in the last two seasons beforehand. If I recall the majority of posters on here were happy with the signings of Chester and Lambert, I'm sure Pulis expected more from them.

I beg to differ thus far

Clear Success
Evans

Partial Success
McClean Fletcher

Jury Out

Rondon Lindgard

Flops
McMannaman

Unmitigated Disasters

Chester Lambert Gnabry



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on January 10, 2016, 12:02:44 AM
Quote from: Standaman on January 09, 2016, 11:53:33 PM
I beg to differ thus far

Clear Success
Evans

Partial Success
McClean Fletcher

Jury Out

Rondon Lindgard

Flops
McMannaman

Unmitigated Disasters

Chester Lambert Gnabry

I would agree with that, I think McMannaman has the potential to be better than a flop if he had game time but Pulis bought him and Pulis won't play him.

Unfortunately Pulis's track record of signing strikers ain't great.

Ironically, Pulis may be the ideal fit for a "head coach"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nocky on January 10, 2016, 03:33:36 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 09, 2016, 11:53:33 PM
I beg to differ thus far

Clear Success
Evans

Partial Success
McClean Fletcher

Jury Out

Rondon Lindgard

Flops
McMannaman

Unmitigated Disasters

Chester Lambert Gnabry

Fletcher on a free (albeit on decent wages) and McClean at £1.5m nudge them into the clear success category for me. Both have been a key part of a team that has already notched up 26 points this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 10, 2016, 07:03:26 PM
Although his plans to keep us in the Prem are working, he does seem to have "tunnel vision" at times.
He doesn't seem to play the young quick players coming through our academy.
Also I think that we have missed out on a couple of players recently.
Gray and Afobe.
He let Roofe go rather than encouraging more development.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 10, 2016, 07:17:13 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on January 10, 2016, 07:03:26 PM
Although his plans to keep us in the Prem are working, he does seem to have "tunnel vision" at times.
He doesn't seem to play the young quick players coming through our academy.
Also I think that we have missed out on a couple of players recently.
Gray and Afobe.
He let Roofe go rather than encouraging more development.

We can't buy anyone without selling first, whereas Leicester and Bournemouth could.  There's no way we could just go out and blow £3.5m on Gray, let alone £12m on Afobe, plus wages, without selling Berahino first.  The difference between us selling Berahino for £20m-plus and not selling him has a massive impact on our transfer resources as well as the wage bill.   I'd have loved to see both of those players at The Hawthorns but others are in a better cash position and/or not up against the wage cap.

Roofe needs to be doing what he's doing at a Championship club before it is possible to judge whether he's good enough to do it in the Premiership.  Even Lambert and Rondon would be scoring goals for fun in the lower leagues where Roofe is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 12, 2016, 07:39:21 PM
According to WM tonight they've heard Tones got no spending money.
So by that I assume they mean we can't buy until we sell.
To be honest if you were JP would you be inclined to allow Tone a free hand having seen what he did  with the thick end of £20m spent on Rondon and Chester?
Not to mention the Gnabry debacle
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 12, 2016, 08:51:41 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on January 12, 2016, 07:39:21 PM
According to WM tonight they've heard Tones got no spending money.
So by that I assume they mean we can't buy until we sell.
To be honest if you were JP would you be inclined to allow Tone a free hand having seen what he did  with the thick end of £20m spent on Rondon and Chester?
Not to mention the Gnabry debacle
I think its more down to we've spent all we can afford, it appears that we are probably the poorest in financial terms in the prem, that's not a dig at the club but when you see Watford linked with townsend and adebayor makes you wonder who we are on a par with financially.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 12, 2016, 09:04:24 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 12, 2016, 08:51:41 PM
I think its more down to we've spent all we can afford, it appears that we are probably the poorest in financial terms in the prem, that's not a dig at the club but when you see Watford linked with townsend and adebayor makes you wonder who we are on a par with financially.

No one in top flight or a few Championship clubs even. We do quite well considering.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 12, 2016, 09:07:20 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on January 10, 2016, 07:17:13 PM
We can't buy anyone without selling first, whereas Leicester and Bournemouth could.  There's no way we could just go out and blow £3.5m on Gray, let alone £12m on Afobe, plus wages, without selling Berahino first.  The difference between us selling Berahino for £20m-plus and not selling him has a massive impact on our transfer resources as well as the wage bill.   I'd have loved to see both of those players at The Hawthorns but others are in a better cash position and/or not up against the wage cap.

Roofe needs to be doing what he's doing at a Championship club before it is possible to judge whether he's good enough to do it in the Premiership.  Even Lambert and Rondon would be scoring goals for fun in the lower leagues where Roofe is.

It was foolish to rely on the sale of Berahino to strengthen the squad. We had the second highest number of clean sheets last season so what does Pulis do go and spend a huge chunk of transfer money on 2 defenders. Don't get me wrong our centre halves are ageing and Evans has been a cracking signing but I'm not sure we got our priorities right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 12, 2016, 09:10:03 PM
To go through the season with Olsson and McAuley would have been a disaster given ages and injuries. Evans the best centre half we've had for years. Start getting the back right and then build from it, don't have a problem with that at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 12, 2016, 09:10:17 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 12, 2016, 09:04:24 PM
No one in top flight or a few Championship clubs even. We do quite well considering.

But why the hell is that though?!? Is it just that JP isn't rich enough?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 12, 2016, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 12, 2016, 09:04:24 PM
No one in top flight or a few Championship clubs even. We do quite well considering.

Nonsense.   Watford came up with a Championship wage bill and are allowed to spend a minimum of £62m this season on wages, plus they can spend their new PL TV cash so they and Norwich send Bournemouth are amongst the division's biggest spenders this window.

We are already up against our wage cap and are already spending our TV money so need to ship out before we can buy.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on January 12, 2016, 10:09:59 PM
The wage cap is probably more of a problem than actual transfer funds. The only way around this is by increasing non-tv income, which is very difficult for a club our size, or by offloading the fringe players like Gamboa, Poco, Chester etc who won't be playing anytime soon.

I'm sure that we'd probably be able to spend circa five million on a suitable player, but without freeing some wages up, we break the fair play rules.

Even if we sold Berahino and had some decent funds, we'd still struggle to get players in without freeing more wages up. Berahino is on allegedly 10 grand a week. We're not going to attract many top players with that wage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 12, 2016, 11:46:10 PM
Pulis has a fully fit squad of 23 players with no long term injuries and we have committed what we are prepared to spend on players for the season. This may or may not test the limits of the Premier League salary cap which is an added complication.  If he wants additional players he has to sell and that is not an unreasonable position for the board to take.

Other clubs are in different positions and or take a different view to ourselves but the promoted clubs are certainly not troubled by the wage cap because they are starting from a lower base. Typically their wage bills double in the first season in Premier League and then plateau if they survive. It is also instructive that for instance Bournemouth have spent heavily on fees but on players that will not have particularly big salaries e.g. Grabban and Afobe.

I think Pulis was counting on unloading a few more players during the summer in particular Berahino whose fee would have helped restructure the squad but he also needed to unload Sess and Anichebe to dent the wage bill. His preference for established players mainly with English experience really puts a strain on the budget it simply won't stretch to the sort of quality that might be obtained elsewhere.     


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 13, 2016, 08:54:14 AM
Quote from: Standaman on January 12, 2016, 11:46:10 PM
Pulis has a fully fit squad of 23 players with no long term injuries and we have committed what we are prepared to spend on players for the season. This may or may not test the limits of the Premier League salary cap which is an added complication.  If he wants additional players he has to sell and that is not an unreasonable position for the board to take.

Other clubs are in different positions and or take a different view to ourselves but the promoted clubs are certainly not troubled by the wage cap because they are starting from a lower base. Typically their wage bills double in the first season in Premier League and then plateau if they survive. It is also instructive that for instance Bournemouth have spent heavily on fees but on players that will not have particularly big salaries e.g. Grabban and Afobe.

I think Pulis was counting on unloading a few more players during the summer in particular Berahino whose fee would have helped restructure the squad but he also needed to unload Sess and Anichebe to dent the wage bill. His preference for established players mainly with English experience really puts a strain on the budget it simply won't stretch to the sort of quality that might be obtained elsewhere.   

Thanks for that - a sensible and sobering post. We often look at fees and/ or wages of players in isolation for each player but basically, the squad's wages have caught up with us and the fact that the likes of Anichebe, Poc, Gamboa, Lambert, Gardner and other peripheral players are costing us a chunk of wages (I'd say they're on an average of 30k per week between them) means Pulis' arms are tied somewhat. Without them, we'd potentially have enough for 3 players on 50k pw which would get us decent quality you'd expect.

We're still paying the price for signing some dross over the past couple of years - the majority of which was pre-Pulis although Pulis has signed Chester, Lambert and Cmc who have just not worked out so he must take some share of the blame.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 13, 2016, 09:43:44 AM
I am critic of our tones style but what I saw dished up by palace last night was as bad as anything I've seen from albion this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 13, 2016, 09:48:56 AM
 
Quote from: darbolina on January 13, 2016, 08:54:14 AM
Thanks for that - a sensible and sobering post. We often look at fees and/ or wages of players in isolation for each player but basically, the squad's wages have caught up with us and the fact that the likes of Anichebe, Poc, Gamboa, Lambert, Gardner and other peripheral players are costing us a chunk of wages (I'd say they're on an average of 30k per week between them) means Pulis' arms are tied somewhat. Without them, we'd potentially have enough for 3 players on 50k pw which would get us decent quality you'd expect.

We're still paying the price for signing some dross over the past couple of years - the majority of which was pre-Pulis although Pulis has signed Chester, Lambert and Cmc who have just not worked out so he must take some share of the blame.

Without wishing to rake over the post Ashdown decline in recruitment we have  been chasing our tails since the "Anekla" summer and probably won't have a chance to really straighten that out until next summer.

My concern with Pulis is that he doesn't fully utilise the  players he has, for instance the whole Varela-McMananman- Sessegnon transition will cost the club the price of two decent players that and he would have never looked at Varela in the first place who might still be a no worse option than the other two.

Chester Lambert and McManaman are symptomatic of the Pulis approach in the market i.e. tried tested and with English experience and a peculiar fetish about hiring Centre Backs to play at full back.  The squad is under going a major overhaul and it will take at least another summer window to see the back of the last of the pre Pulis mistakes and for what it is worth it is important that the transition happens under the same coach so at least the club is recruiting to a consistent style template. I just wish it wasn't Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 13, 2016, 10:00:59 AM
we will be forever overhauling the squad if we don't improve on our recruitment, even if we move out all the pre-pulis players we've then got the pulis bought players that he doesn't utilise or want, add on top of that the amount of players who are aging and its a scenario that's going to take a few years to put right. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 13, 2016, 10:21:14 AM
My opinion, the squad pulis will leave us with will be 10x worse than what it is now and yhen the same people will be saying the new coach needs time to get his squad together. It is going to be a vicious circle.

Personally i think we need another attacking midfielder who will play because Mcmanaman obviously aint going to play. I wouldnt trust pulis with another penny. Why would players want to come here after the treatment of chester and McMannaman anyway?

The reason why you buy players is to strengthen. The only player we have bought who has strengthened us since pulis took charge is jonny evans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 13, 2016, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: Standaman on January 13, 2016, 09:48:56 AM

Without wishing to rake over the post Ashdown decline in recruitment we have  been chasing our tails since the "Anekla" summer and probably won't have a chance to really straighten that out until next summer.

My concern with Pulis is that he doesn't fully utilise the  players he has, for instance the whole Varela-McMananman- Sessegnon transition will cost the club the price of two decent players that and he would have never looked at Varela in the first place who might still be a no worse option than the other two.

Chester Lambert and McManaman are symptomatic of the Pulis approach in the market i.e. tried tested and with English experience and a peculiar fetish about hiring Centre Backs to play at full back.  The squad is under going a major overhaul and it will take at least another summer window to see the back of the last of the pre Pulis mistakes and for what it is worth it is important that the transition happens under the same coach so at least the club is recruiting to a consistent style template. I just wish it wasn't Pulis.

Varela was never coming here long term and only came on loan due to his dispute with Porto which he resolved and signed a new deal. Hardly figured Pre Pulis  so why risk keeping him ? better to let him go and use those wages.

Don't see anything wrong with going for tried and tested Premier League players. Villa and Newcastle cocked up big style by going for too many foreign players and are suffering, Newcastle are just trying to get those Premier League players in now and hoping it won't be too late for them.

Squad has needed a major overhaul for a while. If you want to blame anyone blame the people who signed the bench warmers over the past few years and then the Rosenbergs, Anelkas we've had that didn't work out on very big money.

It just happens to be Pulis trying to sort it, could have been anyone as its a mess. I wonder if anyone else would have got so much abuse !

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 13, 2016, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 13, 2016, 10:50:55 AM
Varela was never coming here long term and only came on loan due to his dispute with Porto which he resolved and signed a new deal. Hardly figured Pre Pulis  so why risk keeping him ? better to let him go and use those wages.

Don't see anything wrong with going for tried and tested Premier League players. Villa and Newcastle cocked up big style by going for too many foreign players and are suffering, Newcastle are just trying to get those Premier League players in now and hoping it won't be too late for them.

Squad has needed a major overhaul for a while. If you want to blame anyone blame the people who signed the bench warmers over the past few years and then the Rosenbergs, Anelkas we've had that didn't work out on very big money.

It just happens to be Pulis trying to sort it, could have been anyone as its a mess. I wonder if anyone else would have got so much abuse !

He's not helped himself though with the players he's bought in himself. 9 players signed and arguably only Evans and Fletcher have really improved us. Fletcher more from a leadership perspective and not a footballing one. Granted not all signings will work out but out of 9 I'd expect at least 4-5 to. All we have done is pack the squad out with more average bodies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 13, 2016, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 13, 2016, 10:55:54 AM
He's not helped himself though with the players he's bought in himself. 9 players signed and arguably only Evans and Fletcher have really improved us. Fletcher more from a leadership perspective and not a footballing one. Granted not all signings will work out but out of 9 I'd expect at least 4-5 to. All we have done is pack the squad out with more average bodies.

The squad did need adding to, hopefully when Saido leaves it will allow funds to go into the starting XI as was the hope in the Summer.

Fletcher seems to get plenty of praise from within football itself but not from West Brom fans, amazing.

The only ones that haven't worked are Chester, Lambert and Gnabry. Lindegaard came to do what he was signed for, be an experienced back up for Myhill given the injury to Foster.

McMananman is what he is, an impact player. McClean has done a good job, much better than expected and Rondon who knows ? needs time to adjust but I guess modern day expectations don't allow it at times.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 13, 2016, 11:50:01 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 13, 2016, 10:21:14 AM
My opinion, the squad pulis will leave us with will be 10x worse than what it is now and yhen the same people will be saying the new coach needs time to get his squad together. It is going to be a vicious circle.

Personally i think we need another attacking midfielder who will play because Mcmanaman obviously aint going to play. I wouldnt trust pulis with another penny. Why would players want to come here after the treatment of chester and McMannaman anyway?

The reason why you buy players is to strengthen. The only player we have bought who has strengthened us since pulis took charge is jonny evans.

What do you base that opinion on? He left Mark Hughes with a solid spine that the new manager chose to keep in tact. It's now 3 years into his reign and he's only just freshened up the squad (mainly down to losing Begovic and N'Zonzi for a profit, who were both brought in by Pulis). As I've posted previously on here, in the game with West Brom last season 8 of the starting XI were signed by Pulis. Why would Hughes keep so many of those players in the team if Pulis leaves bad players around? Players like Crouch and Walters were favourites under Pulis but still got new deals instead of being sold on.

The Palace job was different with him only being in charge for 3/4 of a season. But even during that short period he left Dann and Hennessey who have been regulars for Pardew this season. Puncheon was signed on loan before Pulis took over, but that deal still changed from loan into a permanent deal so you could count him also. Ledley has lost his place this season to the big money signing of Cabaye but played a lot last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 13, 2016, 11:58:47 AM
We've seen it in the past, things can change with players and CMc could all of a sudden become a regular and set the place alight (not saying he will but these things happen - first few months Lukaku didn't look the World beater he turned out to be).

I personally think only Lambert will prove to be a mistake of Pulis' signings so far in the long term because we can't sell him on and he won't add anything in the short term either. We'll sell on Chester and CMc for around the same fees we paid for them. Having said that, it's weird Pulis would sign Chester and CMc to then bomb them in less than a year - it suggests he makes up his mind pretty quickly and sticks to it which is good in one sense but maybe we should loan with options to buy with him (try before we buy)!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 13, 2016, 12:19:25 PM
Completely off topic, but someone at work is driving me mad about this.

How do you pronounce Pulis  ;D

I'd go for Pew-liss, he says Pull-iss
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sammyg on January 13, 2016, 12:20:28 PM
pew-liss definitely!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 13, 2016, 12:55:02 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 13, 2016, 10:21:14 AM
My opinion, the squad pulis will leave us with will be 10x worse than what it is now and yhen the same people will be saying the new coach needs time to get his squad together. It is going to be a vicious circle.
Absolutely correct.  The squad Pulis will eventually leave us will have very little variety, it will be cluttered with the same ‘types’: hard working pro’s typically in their late twenties, early to mid thirties.  There will probably be no full backs and very few natural creative footballers who play upon instinct.  By the time he has gone I imagine there will be a bit of a stigma about playing for us, let’s face it we are already tarnished with the ugly brush formally held by his Stoke side and I think we will struggle to attract certain types of players to the club.  If you were a creative midfielder worth your salt would you really want to play in a Tony Pulis side?  Granted we will have a decent defence but his successor will have a big job trying to add dynamism and vitality into a creaking one dimensional squad.  Makes me think what a superb job Hughes has done at Stoke, hope we get that lucky.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 13, 2016, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 12, 2016, 11:46:10 PM
Pulis has a fully fit squad of 23 players with no long term injuries and we have committed what we are prepared to spend on players for the season. This may or may not test the limits of the Premier League salary cap which is an added complication.  If he wants additional players he has to sell and that is not an unreasonable position for the board to take.

Other clubs are in different positions and or take a different view to ourselves but the promoted clubs are certainly not troubled by the wage cap because they are starting from a lower base. Typically their wage bills double in the first season in Premier League and then plateau if they survive. It is also instructive that for instance Bournemouth have spent heavily on fees but on players that will not have particularly big salaries e.g. Grabban and Afobe.

I think Pulis was counting on unloading a few more players during the summer in particular Berahino whose fee would have helped restructure the squad but he also needed to unload Sess and Anichebe to dent the wage bill. His preference for established players mainly with English experience really puts a strain on the budget it simply won't stretch to the sort of quality that might be obtained elsewhere.   

somebody should tell that dutch coach who was involved with Wales about this after he was slating Pulis pre-season training methods.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 13, 2016, 01:28:06 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 13, 2016, 12:55:02 PM
Absolutely correct.  The squad Pulis will eventually leave us will have very little variety, it will be cluttered with the same ‘types’: hard working pro’s typically in their late twenties, early to mid thirties.  There will probably be no full backs and very few natural creative footballers who play upon instinct.  By the time he has gone I imagine there will be a bit of a stigma about playing for us, let’s face it we are already tarnished with the ugly brush formally held by his Stoke side and I think we will struggle to attract certain types of players to the club.  If you were a creative midfielder worth your salt would you really want to play in a Tony Pulis side?  Granted we will have a decent defence but his successor will have a big job trying to add dynamism and vitality into a creaking one dimensional squad.  Makes me think what a superb job Hughes has done at Stoke, hope we get that lucky.

The fact that 8 of the Stoke players who turned out against us were 'Pulis' buys would dilute your argument a little. Hughs has done well there but he hasn't had a big rebuilding job to do.
That's not to say that another manager who came in here wouldn't have. In my opinion we have to be one of the weakest squads in the Prem, we have too many square pegs in round holes and too many aging players.
I'd go so far as to say that with what we have the team more or less picks itself as some players that sit on the bench will never kick a ball for us under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 13, 2016, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on January 13, 2016, 01:28:06 PM
The fact that 8 of the Stoke players who turned out against us were 'Pulis' buys would dilute your argument a little. Hughs has done well there but he hasn't had a big rebuilding job to do.
That's not to say that another manager who came in here wouldn't have. In my opinion we have to be one of the weakest squads in the Prem, we have too many square pegs in round holes and too many aging players.
I'd go so far as to say that with what we have the team more or less picks itself as some players that sit on the bench will never kick a ball for us under Pulis.

our squad hasn't evolved in the right way for a long time.

we have Brunt and Morrison who have been great servants at the club, I'm not saying they shouldn't be in the team far from it but it's the fact that for 9 years neither of these has really had to fight for a place in the team.

we have Olsson and McAuley playing at centre back this is the centre back pairing we had under Hodgson 4 managers ago.

we have managed to add quality in Evans and in Fletcher. but we also have far too many question marks over other areas of the team that we shouldn't have and shows the general mis-management of the club/team that started during Clarke's second year with us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 13, 2016, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on January 13, 2016, 01:28:06 PM
The fact that 8 of the Stoke players who turned out against us were 'Pulis' buys would dilute your argument a little.
I must say I’m rather perplexed why a few of you guys on this thread keep chucking out the stat that 8 of Stoke's starting lineup against us were players Pulis signed?  To my understanding it's simply not the case.  Only Shawcross, Whelan and Cameron played under Pulis at Stoke, granted he did sign Butland but he stayed at Blues on loan.  The rest of Stoke’s team comprised of Johnson, Wollscheid, Pieters, Shaqiri, Afellay, Arnautovic and Krkic, all players signed after Pulis had left.  Hughes has retained hardly any of Pulis’s so called attacking players in his lineup, instead he has replaced them with skillful and technical footballers and well done to him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 13, 2016, 04:02:37 PM
Bojan, Shaqiri, Arnautovic, Mame Diouf wages would be a fair whack I'd imagine - good attackers cost money. Money that was available because Pulis got Stoke promoted and kept them up for years whilst we were boinging up and down a few times
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 13, 2016, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: darbolina on January 13, 2016, 04:02:37 PM
Bojan, Shaqiri, Arnautovic, Mame Diouf wages would be a fair whack I'd imagine - good attackers cost money. Money that was available because Pulis got Stoke promoted and kept them up for years whilst we were boinging up and down a few times
whist Pulis did keep them up, he did so by having one of the highest expenditures in the league (4th or 5th if I remember correctly) and that high cost was fairly consistent season to season, whereas ours has risen and Stoke's is now going DOWN.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 13, 2016, 04:17:26 PM
Didn't we start at the same point as Stoke i.e. went up at the same time with Megson so he kept them up whilst it took us years to do the same
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on January 13, 2016, 04:41:39 PM
They came up the year we were champions with Mowbray and have stayed up since. I liked Mowbray but he had the tactical nous of a dead cat in the prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 13, 2016, 06:26:46 PM
Yes of course I had a season ticket and had the superior feeling many of us had re Stoke and Pulis then-how the tabes have turned albeit as clubs we're at about the same place.....funny ol World eh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 13, 2016, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 13, 2016, 02:54:53 PM
I must say I’m rather perplexed why a few of you guys on this thread keep chucking out the stat that 8 of Stoke's starting lineup against us were players Pulis signed?  To my understanding it's simply not the case.  Only Shawcross, Whelan and Cameron played under Pulis at Stoke, granted he did sign Butland but he stayed at Blues on loan.  The rest of Stoke’s team comprised of Johnson, Wollscheid, Pieters, Shaqiri, Afellay, Arnautovic and Krkic, all players signed after Pulis had left.  Hughes has retained hardly any of Pulis’s so called attacking players in his lineup, instead he has replaced them with skillful and technical footballers and well done to him.

Last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on January 13, 2016, 10:47:04 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 13, 2016, 10:21:14 AM
My opinion, the squad pulis will leave us with will be 10x worse than what it is now and yhen the same people will be saying the new coach needs time to get his squad together. It is going to be a vicious circle.

Personally i think we need another attacking midfielder who will play because Mcmanaman obviously aint going to play. I wouldnt trust pulis with another penny. Why would players want to come here after the treatment of chester and McMannaman anyway?

The reason why you buy players is to strengthen. The only player we have bought who has strengthened us since pulis took charge is jonny evans.

You obviously aint going to give pulis a chance and have no intention of giving him a chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on January 13, 2016, 10:51:01 PM
Another poor result, poor tactics, poor team selection, poor transfers blah blah blah  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 13, 2016, 10:59:24 PM
Quote from: Sessegod on January 13, 2016, 10:51:01 PM
Another poor result, poor tactics, poor team selection, poor transfers blah blah blah  :P

We should be wiping the floor with relegation fodder like Chelsea. Disgraceful display  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on January 13, 2016, 11:02:08 PM
I said i thought give Pulis a year to see how we go, i admit until end of October i felt we were going backwards and had major doubts and wouldnt of been disappointed had he walked out, but the last few months my view has changed a lot, we have some pride about us again.

Signings wise, he has about a 50% success rate which is probably about the going rate for managers, maybe looking at slightly more, i think he has signed 8 or 9 players and 4 or 5 have worked.

Although i admit to been concerned about the lack of young hungry players we seem to sign and based on the way some of the signings just havent come off (Chester namely) and been bad decisions, i still cant help but think if we got rid of the players who clearly are just making up the numbers - Poco, Gamboa, Lindegaard, Chester, Lambert, possibly McManaman and Anichebe, then Pulis could sign say 4 or 5 of the players he wants, basing it on 2 or 3 of those been success it wouldnt half add to our squad greatly.

I know it all sounds very football manager but really we are using a small pool of players as some players he just dont rate and will never feature, so if we could add 2 or 3 to that, it will make a big difference.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 14, 2016, 06:45:49 AM
The thing is building a team takes time, maybe 2-3 years. When Pulis took over we were poor and would have been relegated sooner than later. We've improved a lot and the way we play is becoming more fluid and ambitious - bit by bit.

As I've said previously assess in the summer and take it from there, so far he has around a 6.5/ 10 this season for me. It's a very competitive season yet we look comfortable against anyone and that's with a few really bad performances here and there.

Onwards and upwards.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 14, 2016, 07:09:28 AM
We're a point behind Everton and 4 behind Liverpool, he's an 8 or 9 out of 10.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 14, 2016, 07:40:21 AM
I think the blokes done a cracking job.

We can play against anyone now knowing we can come away with a result, gone are the days were we would go to Old Trafford and come back with a default 3-0 loss.

We actually stand a chance in every game we play, and when you consider we have a sulking striker, a striker who doesnt really score, ageing squad, no fullbacks and hardly any wingers, we dont do too badly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 14, 2016, 10:45:55 AM
More pleasing progress , love not rolling over for the big boys too.
Im enjoying the forward thinking midfield and the passing out to wide positions , apart from finishing better and stopping the odd sloppy goal i couldn't ask for much more at the minute to be honest.
If he name was Antonio Pulisio and we knew nothing of his history i suspect a lot more would be raving about him   ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 14, 2016, 10:58:28 AM
Absolutely the right man for the job at the moment. Really enjoying the 'new' Albion playing 20 yards further up the pitch and giving the opposition a hard time. There is clear evidence that we are working on counter attack now, and I am loving some of the set piece free kicks they are trying........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 14, 2016, 11:05:20 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 13, 2016, 02:54:53 PM
Johnson, Wollscheid, Pieters, Shaqiri, Afellay, Arnautovic and Krkic, all players signed after Pulis had left.  Hughes has retained hardly any of Pulis’s so called attacking players in his lineup, instead he has replaced them with skillful and technical footballers and well done to him.

Exactly. The goalkeepers, defense and midfield didn't need an overhaul which allowed Hughes to concentrate his budget on the final third. Of the players you listed, only Pieters and Arnautovic were brought in during the first season in charge. Pieters was actually lined up by Pulis in the January, but the deal wasn't right at that time.

The other players have joined gradually over the last two seasons. There wasn't a case of "Quick, let's buy 8 first team players because we're desperate." The squad left behind by Pulis was strong. That's why Hughes didn't need to spend a penny on the spine which I've said on here many times.

You may think that's a superb job by Hughes, but would it have been so smooth if he didn't have a solid foundation to build upon? The same can be said with Bilic taking over from Big Sam.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 14, 2016, 11:10:32 AM
Managers are like politics - have one with one philosophy for a bit and then change because too much of one approach is not good.

Albion currently have one of the best defensive coaches in the league if not the World to be honest (look at what he's done over the years especially a defensively awful Palace).

Next we should go for a more progressive manager with more attacking ideas.

First things first, lets let Pulis finish the job of solidifying us as a team and club - the job he was brought into do when we were all over the place, lurching from one bad decision to another.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 14, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: darbolina on January 14, 2016, 11:10:32 AM
Managers are like politics - have one with one philosophy for a bit and then change because too much of one approach is not good.

Albion currently have one of the best defensive coaches in the league if not the World to be honest (look at what he's done over the years especially a defensively awful Palace).

Next we should go for a more progressive manager with more attacking ideas.

First things first, lets let Pulis finish the job of solidifying us as a team and club - the job he was brought into do when we were all over the place, lurching from one bad decision to another.

Eddie Howe?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darby009 on January 14, 2016, 11:37:36 AM
or how about we give Pulis the time and chance to build, create the solid foundation (which he is doing) and then work on the attacking threat (again of which we are seeing signs).

I don't believe that we need to be even considering a different manager at present for two reasons...

1) TP is doing EXACTLY what he has been employed to do.
2) Where exactly do people thing we can finish... the best you will ever get is 8th (unless you get lucky or have financial clout like stoke and Leicester owners) we are in with a good shout of a possible top 10 position and also we do now take the cup competitions seriously (i.e. quarter finals in his first FA cup with us and a genuine chance to progress to the 5th round).

I just think sometimes some of our fans are so unrealistic with regards to what they expect the club to achieve, which is a shame because it prevents them from really enjoying the progress we as a club have made over the last 10 years...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 14, 2016, 12:06:35 PM
Quote from: darby009 on January 14, 2016, 11:37:36 AM
or how about we give Pulis the time and chance to build, create the solid foundation (which he is doing) and then work on the attacking threat (again of which we are seeing signs).

I don't believe that we need to be even considering a different manager at present for two reasons...

1) TP is doing EXACTLY what he has been employed to do.
2) Where exactly do people thing we can finish... the best you will ever get is 8th (unless you get lucky or have financial clout like stoke and Leicester owners) we are in with a good shout of a possible top 10 position and also we do now take the cup competitions seriously (i.e. quarter finals in his first FA cup with us and a genuine chance to progress to the 5th round).

I just think sometimes some of our fans are so unrealistic with regards to what they expect the club to achieve, which is a shame because it prevents them from really enjoying the progress we as a club have made over the last 10 years...

I agree - see my last paragraph-good name by the way!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 14, 2016, 12:14:30 PM
Quote from: tylerm on January 14, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
The Pulis haters have all had to shut up today but they will all be back when we lose a game
You are right sess whatever TP does some wont be happy until he is gone
To be fair to M666eys he did praise Pulis for his substitutions last night.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 14, 2016, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: tylerm on January 14, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
The Pulis haters have all had to shut up today but they will all be back when we lose a game
You are right sess whatever TP does some wont be happy until he is gone
The poster who this was directed at was one of the 1st to praise the performance and Pulis' subs on the After Match Debate thread.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on January 14, 2016, 12:26:13 PM
How do we know what squad Pulis will leave us with? He's been here for a year. He left stoke way stronger than when he got there. The argument about attacking players is great as you need a defence to win points too. Jonathan Walters looks rubbish at the moment for them and Hughes never brings on Crouch when he's in trouble.
Who are all these old players Pulis will leave us with, they aren't his buys. He has bought Fletcher and Lambert who are over 30. Whatever the success of Chester, McLean, Evans, Rondon, McManaman etc they aren't old.
I have always said we needed Pulis even if I didnt necessarily want him at the time.
Pulis and Hodgson both have a similar trait which is getting points to stop a bad run. We also have picked up points consistently against the top teams.
Having seen the game yesterday I thought we were excellent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 14, 2016, 12:36:47 PM
I've been very critical of Pulis but i am critical of his tactics and not him as a person.

If he adjusted his tactics so we played a more pressing and counter attacking game then i am all for Pulis. Long may he reign.

Sitting on your goaline and always getting back into position is no longer effective football in this league.

Its all about explosive, pressing and counter attacking football with pace and quick transition. I want to see that, no necessarily a new manager. If Pulis can produce that, then i want him to be here for a long time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on January 14, 2016, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on January 14, 2016, 12:14:30 PM
To be fair to M666eys he did praise Pulis for his substitutions last night.

Granted
out of all his Pulis posts he has made one positive one
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 14, 2016, 01:31:54 PM
Sorry tylerm that i dont share your opinion.

I havent liked how we have played all season,  i think we can do better with a bit more attacking intent.

Last night just showed how we can play and be a bit more attack minded. The subs last night were great and at the right times. I thought he may of bought sess on for morrision but i understand why he didnt at that stage of the game and the game being 0-0.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stever60 on January 14, 2016, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 14, 2016, 01:31:54 PM
Sorry tylerm that i dont share your opinion.

I havent liked how we have played all season,  i think we can do better with a bit more attacking intent.

Last night just showed how we can play and be a bit more attack minded. The subs last night were great and at the right times. I thought he may of bought sess on for morrision but i understand why he didnt at that stage of the game and the game being 0-0.
So Pulis should take some credit for last night then...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 14, 2016, 04:12:20 PM
Always wanted Pulis here. Never doubted him. I love coming on and reading the howling wrist slitters posts though! Build from a strong defence.Make teams hate playing us.like we were late 60's up to early 80's.
Until SGM it was awful until Rh and now TP came along. Stay with us Tony please! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 14, 2016, 04:56:46 PM
I'm pleased at the increased attacking intent that we've shown in our last 3 league games. It has proven that results can still be achieved playing in such a manner, and also vindicates the views of those who've been critical of the preceding unnecessarily ultra defensive approach.

Hopefully we'll continue to develop this more positive vein and, if we do and continue to accrue points, I'm sure more and more fans will come round to being happy with Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 14, 2016, 05:15:45 PM
Quote from: Dexy on January 14, 2016, 10:45:55 AM
More pleasing progress , love not rolling over for the big boys too.
Im enjoying the forward thinking midfield and the passing out to wide positions , apart from finishing better and stopping the odd sloppy goal i couldn't ask for much more at the minute to be honest.
If he name was Antonio Pulisio and we knew nothing of his history i suspect a lot more would be raving about him   ;D  ;D
Pulisio classic ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on January 14, 2016, 05:17:10 PM
In fairness Pulis said ages ago that we were incapable of getting the balance right between attack and defence
At long last they appear to be getting the message and doing the job properly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 14, 2016, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: tylerm on January 14, 2016, 05:17:10 PM
In fairness Pulis said ages ago that we were incapable of getting the balance right between attack and defence
At long last they appear to be getting the message and doing the job properly
Indeed. I have a lot of respect for managers who have to sort out a mess and can see what needs putting right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 15, 2016, 11:07:03 AM
Quote from: darby009 on January 14, 2016, 11:37:36 AM
or how about we give Pulis the time and chance to build, create the solid foundation (which he is doing) and then work on the attacking threat (again of which we are seeing signs).

I don't believe that we need to be even considering a different manager at present for two reasons...

1) TP is doing EXACTLY what he has been employed to do.
2) Where exactly do people thing we can finish... the best you will ever get is 8th (unless you get lucky or have financial clout like stoke and Leicester owners) we are in with a good shout of a possible top 10 position and also we do now take the cup competitions seriously (i.e. quarter finals in his first FA cup with us and a genuine chance to progress to the 5th round).

I just think sometimes some of our fans are so unrealistic with regards to what they expect the club to achieve, which is a shame because it prevents them from really enjoying the progress we as a club have made over the last 10 years...

I fully appreciate the progress that the club has made and I think I am realistic in what we can achieve. I generally agree with your sentiments in terms that Pulis isn't going anywhere and that the club will give him every chance to build in his own image and that we do need a period of stability.

There are a few points that I think need to be made with our relative position to teams like Stoke and Leicester. Firstly I don't know about Leicester's financial position because they haven't yet published a report and and accounts which covers their time in the PL but I am guessing their wage bill is no higher than ours and that their ownership although wealthy is not subsidising the operating costs in the PL (their time in the Championship was a whole different matter).

Stoke on the other hand are known quantity. Firstly the Coates family is no longer subsidising the club which is now profitable and has been since Hughes took over. Secondly they have a slightly higher income but the difference is not vast and our wage bill is about the same. Finally they booked £13m player impairment costs under Pulis's watch which is where a player is not worth their book value bearing in mind they are a depreciating asset anyway that is pretty shocking, in the same period ours was virtually zero. In short whatever Stoke achieve is not beyond our resources nor I suspect are Leicesters achievement's (this year is a complete freak). 

My beef with Pulis is that being stuck in mid-table is not the worst fate to befall a club like us but being stuck in mid-table playing terrible football and spending a lot of money to achieve it is going to slowly strangle us. Fortunately with Peace being in charge means the full Bolton experience is not going to happen

I know we are starting to be a little bit more progressive but that is from a pretty low base. The proof of the pudding might not arrive until next season and fans do need to be patient although frankly why should Pulis's critics be patient when critics of earlier appointments demanded instant results from situations which were not much more favorable than the one inherited by TP?     
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 15, 2016, 11:41:52 AM
I know this isn't strictly on topic, but its relevant because it shows how hamstrung JP & ergo TP are!
its fair to say that JP wouldn't be too far up the championship table either !!

Club                                   Owner(s)                                           Estimated combined net worth   
Manchester City   Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (87%)   Â£20,000m[9]                              
                                Government of China (13%)                                                                 

Arsenal                 E. Stanley Kroenke (66%)                       
                              Alisher Usmanov (15%)                                Â£9,613m      
                            Farhad Moshiri (15%)                                Â£2,900m   

Chelsea                   Roman Abramovich[6]                                Â£8,100m
         
Newcastle United   Mike Ashley                                                 £5,600m
         
Tottenham Hotspur   Joe Lewis (70.6% of 85% holding company)   Â£4,900m
                                Daniel Levy (29.4% of 85% holding company)

Manchester United   The Glazer Family                                       £4,700m[16]   
         
Southampton              Katharina Liebherr                                Â£3,000m

Sunderland              Ellis Short                                               £2,360m

Leicester City          The Srivaddhanaprabha Family                 £2,200m

Liverpool                       John W. Henry                                         Â£1,580m
         
Aston Villa      Randy Lerner                                             £1,000m
         
Stoke City         The Coates Family                                        £925m

West Ham United   David Sullivan (51.1%)                               Â£400m
                            David Gold (35.1%)                                 Â£250mal
                           CB Holding ehf (10%)                              ?   

Everton                   Bill Kenwright CBE (25.84%)                      Â£33m
                              Robert Earl (23.27%)                                Â£240m
                             Jon Woods (18.92%)                             ?   

Crystal Palace                Steve Parish                                          Â£45m   
                              Martin Long                                                 £75m   
                              Stephen Browett                                         £85m   
                              Jeremy Hosking                                         £193m

Watford                      Gino Pozzo                                                  £120m   

Bournemouth                  Maxim Demin                                         Â£100m   
                      Seven Developments                                        ?

West Bromwich Albion   Jeremy Peace (87.8%)                            £50m   
         
Swansea City                 Mr. & Mrs. Martin Morgan (22.5%)         £32m
                                 Brian Katzen (20%)                                    ?   
                                Swansea City Supporters Trust (20%)   ?   
                                   Huw Jenkins (12.5%)                             ?   
                                Robert Davies (10%)                                    ?   

Norwich City                 Delia Smith                                          £23m
                                 Michael Wynn-Jones (53%)                   ?   
                                 Michael Foulger (15%)                           ?   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 15, 2016, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 15, 2016, 11:41:52 AM
I know this isn't strictly on topic, but its relevant because it shows how hamstrung JP & ergo TP are!
its fair to say that JP wouldn't be too far up the championship table either !!

Club                                   Owner(s)                                           Estimated combined net worth   
Manchester City   Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (87%)   Â£20,000m[9]                              
                                Government of China (13%)                                                                 

Arsenal                 E. Stanley Kroenke (66%)                       
                              Alisher Usmanov (15%)                                Â£9,613m      
                            Farhad Moshiri (15%)                                Â£2,900m   

Chelsea                   Roman Abramovich[6]                                Â£8,100m
         
Newcastle United   Mike Ashley                                                 £5,600m
         
Tottenham Hotspur   Joe Lewis (70.6% of 85% holding company)   Â£4,900m
                                Daniel Levy (29.4% of 85% holding company)

Manchester United   The Glazer Family                                       £4,700m[16]   
         
Southampton              Katharina Liebherr                                Â£3,000m

Sunderland              Ellis Short                                               £2,360m

Leicester City          The Srivaddhanaprabha Family                 £2,200m

Liverpool                       John W. Henry                                         Â£1,580m
         
Aston Villa      Randy Lerner                                             £1,000m
         
Stoke City         The Coates Family                                        £925m

West Ham United   David Sullivan (51.1%)                               Â£400m
                            David Gold (35.1%)                                 Â£250mal
                           CB Holding ehf (10%)                              ?   

Everton                   Bill Kenwright CBE (25.84%)                      Â£33m
                              Robert Earl (23.27%)                                Â£240m
                             Jon Woods (18.92%)                             ?   

Crystal Palace                Steve Parish                                          Â£45m   
                              Martin Long                                                 £75m   
                              Stephen Browett                                         £85m   
                              Jeremy Hosking                                         £193m

Watford                      Gino Pozzo                                                  £120m   

Bournemouth                  Maxim Demin                                         Â£100m   
                      Seven Developments                                        ?

West Bromwich Albion   Jeremy Peace (87.8%)                            £50m   
         
Swansea City                 Mr. & Mrs. Martin Morgan (22.5%)         £32m
                                 Brian Katzen (20%)                                    ?   
                                Swansea City Supporters Trust (20%)   ?   
                                   Huw Jenkins (12.5%)                             ?   
                                Robert Davies (10%)                                    ?   

Norwich City                 Delia Smith                                          £23m
                                 Michael Wynn-Jones (53%)                   ?   
                                 Michael Foulger (15%)                           ?

Interesting isn't it. In practical terms, this basically means we can't suddenly magic up 5m or 10m to go and buy a player similar to say how Bournemouth or Stoke can.

We really are a club who has been over-achieving compared to our financial status.

On a slightly different topic - it shows how much Peace has made from the Baggies over the years considering much of his fortune would've been made via us I understand! Good luck to him as he's grown the club too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 16, 2016, 01:03:55 AM
Quote from: darbolina on January 15, 2016, 12:01:18 PM
Interesting isn't it. In practical terms, this basically means we can't suddenly magic up 5m or 10m to go and buy a player similar to say how Bournemouth or Stoke can.

We really are a club who has been over-achieving compared to our financial status.

On a slightly different topic - it shows how much Peace has made from the Baggies over the years considering much of his fortune would've been made via us I understand! Good luck to him as he's grown the club too.
we did magic up 12m for rondon,8m for chester,and 6m for mac fairly recently,the table is pretty irrelevant due to financial fair play rules [not sure how the big boys get round them though]and a lot of the individuals concerned wont risk the their fortune on their respective clubs anyway,most like us just use the tv money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 16, 2016, 07:27:07 AM
But we didn't magic up the money we spent in the summer it was part of a carefully, long thought out budget the same as all clubs.

Clubs with richer owners do make a difference because in Jan they can spend 12m on Afobe and 8m on grabban or 14m on Townsend . The wages will have to have been budgeted but they're essentially using their money for the fees. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 16, 2016, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: elkiellis on January 16, 2016, 01:03:55 AM
we did magic up 12m for rondon,8m for chester,and 6m for mac fairly recently,the table is pretty irrelevant due to financial fair play rules [not sure how the big boys get round them though]and a lot of the individuals concerned wont risk the their fortune on their respective clubs anyway,most like us just use the tv money

Some of the big boys get round FFP by having sponsors owed by the chairman. I think Manchester City do this, where Etihad pay a ridiculous sponsorship agreement as opposed to the the chairman funding things, but because Man CIty and Etihad are owned by the same people, it makes no difference.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 16, 2016, 10:50:28 AM
You can't get past how fantastically well we've been run in the past 15 years. Hopefully we eventually get a new owner who can push us on a bit more
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on January 16, 2016, 10:54:37 AM
Happy Birthday Tony, and to my 17 year old son Brad.

3 points today would be a great present.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 16, 2016, 11:27:02 AM
Many Happy Returns Tony Pulis. Right up there with Hodgson as out best manager for 30 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 16, 2016, 06:14:35 PM
When we are safe I want him gone. Shambolic embaressing football performance from us. No wonder the media/ pundits are out to get us after that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 16, 2016, 06:19:36 PM
The squad stayed in the south after Chelsea I hear, to suit pulis where he lives no doubt
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 16, 2016, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on January 16, 2016, 06:19:36 PM
The squad stayed in the south after Chelsea I hear, to suit pulis where he lives no doubt

Or, you know, because what's the point driving back late on a Wednesday to drive back even further south on Friday?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 16, 2016, 06:27:08 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on January 16, 2016, 06:19:36 PM
The squad stayed in the south after Chelsea I hear, to suit pulis where he lives no doubt
Nothing to do with us playing in London then the South coast then ?.....Grasping at straws trying to blame Pulis for that. Played very well recently , take it on the chin and move on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on January 16, 2016, 06:31:30 PM
After today I'm convinced he targets and gets the team "up" for certain games. Chelsea game he wanted something from it, Bristol City he couldnt give a toss. Today he obviously put the team in the  mindset to coast.

Maybe thats how he gets the results he does by going all out in certain fixtures to out work the opposition and that cant be done every game.

Feel sorry for those that travelled.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 16, 2016, 06:35:15 PM
Listen to his post match interview. Never heard so much bullsh1t in all my life. He said the players were tired. 

Tired is going to work for 10 hours a day tone 5/6 days a week to just about scrape your bills not 2 hours a day and 4 on a saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 16, 2016, 06:44:16 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 16, 2016, 06:35:15 PM
Listen to his post match interview. Never heard so much bullsh1t in all my life. He said the players were tired. 

Tired is going to work for 10 hours a day tone 5/6 days a week to just about scrape your bills not 2 hours a day and 4 on a saturday.
While i fully agree about the working week i did feel we lacked the intensity of recent weeks Today , didn't seem to have that second wind with Yacob being a great example and a few others behind him. Pulis tried to use the squad and got it wrong on this one , not having a go but when you revert to Gardner and Anichebe away from home you lose something although  i accept Rondon was carrying a knock by all accounts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 16, 2016, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 16, 2016, 06:35:15 PM
Listen to his post match interview. Never heard so much bullsh1t in all my life. He said the players were tired. 

Tired is going to work for 10 hours a day tone 5/6 days a week to just about scrape your bills not 2 hours a day and 4 on a saturday.

Are other head coaches saying the same ? Excuses excuses pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 16, 2016, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on January 16, 2016, 06:46:58 PM
Are other head coaches saying the same ? Excuses excuses pulis
More than likely there are managers doing that plus when the games come thick and fast theres little point having a go at the players in public. Just like after Swansea he will be trying to lift them for Bristol City and Villa.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 16, 2016, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 16, 2016, 06:35:15 PM
Listen to his post match interview. Never heard so much bullsh1t in all my life. He said the players were tired. 

Tired is going to work for 10 hours a day tone 5/6 days a week to just about scrape your bills not 2 hours a day and 4 on a saturday.

Standard response from a manager these days though.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 16, 2016, 07:05:34 PM
Are we not allowed to have a poor performance, are we that good of a team that we should be playing well every week? Before today we'd just collected 7 from 9 points. We were very poor today but we'll bounce back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 16, 2016, 07:28:02 PM
because he doesn't trust many players even those he bought himself[mac and chester]our squad becomes even smaller,its like a squad within a squad,todays line up didn't look to bad,apart from evans should play at centre back I don't think he had much choice with starting line ,it just yet again enforced what we all know,big vic is good for one good performance in 20,gardener cannot play on the wing,foster is ready for a recall,we need some proper fullbacks,and we need some pace
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 16, 2016, 07:28:44 PM
Quote from: Legend on January 16, 2016, 07:05:34 PM
Are we not allowed to have a poor performance, are we that good of a team that we should be playing well every week? Before today we'd just collected 7 from 9 points. We were very poor today but we'll bounce back.

We play rubbish every week, sometimes we win when the opposition lower themselves to our standard other times we get blown away by a bit of pace.

The amount of games we win means there is absolutely no pressure on Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 16, 2016, 07:42:28 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 16, 2016, 06:35:15 PM
Listen to his post match interview. Never heard so much bullsh1t in all my life. He said the players were tired. 

Tired is going to work for 10 hours a day tone 5/6 days a week to just about scrape your bills not 2 hours a day and 4 on a saturday.

Two games in a week and they are out of their comfort zone.

It wouldn't be such a hectic schedule if we managed to beat a team 3rd bottom of the Championship at the first time of asking.

Pulis's insistence on only using the same 14 players on a weekly basis is his own fault, as is his decision not to play the players he decided to sign in the last 2 Windows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on January 16, 2016, 07:52:51 PM
That's no excuse to blame schedule, the team like always came with a plan of park the bus and frustrate the opposition. Tony why oh why didn't you set up team to have a go?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on January 16, 2016, 08:56:29 PM
I think even Pulis would admit it didn't work today. Great free-kick after 5 really upset the apple cart. However there was little to take from today......Jonas is running on empty, 'big Vic' only cemented the fact he has one good game in ten, and overall we looked flat and really needed more in midfield in the first half, with pace and flair down the channels eg Macca. I can except this today but would be hugely disappointed to se that line-up again. Next round of the cup and a win against the Vile - all is forgotten!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 17, 2016, 12:02:08 AM
Dont want to sound saft but Pulis and this sh*te we have to watch "almost" every week is taking its toll.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 17, 2016, 12:16:56 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 17, 2016, 12:02:08 AM
Dont want to sound saft but Pulis and this sh*te we have to watch "almost" every week is taking its toll.
First real bad game since  beating Arsenal , been playing some better football too recently so for me we write today off as a bad day at the office . Big week coming up with a few injuries hanging about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 17, 2016, 12:24:37 AM
Quote from: Dexy on January 17, 2016, 12:16:56 AM
First real bad game since  beating Arsenal , been playing some better football too recently so for me we write today off as a bad day at the office . Big week coming up with a few injuries hanging about.

We had no shots on target today. Yeah it was a bad day at the office but the staff have been pretty stale for a while
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 17, 2016, 12:27:10 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 17, 2016, 12:24:37 AM
We had no shots on target today. Yeah it was a bad day at the office but the staff have been pretty stale for a while
No we didn't but both Gardner and Anichebe should have tested the keeper , nothing against them but theres a clear drop in quality when we shuffle the pack in busy times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on January 17, 2016, 12:49:46 AM
I also don't buy this excuse of playing 2 away games in close proximity.

The problem Pulis seems to have is he is reliant on too small a squad of players and clearly doesn't rate or trust the rest of the 25 man squad. That means players out of position and potential problems when there are key injuries like we have now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 17, 2016, 07:38:11 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on January 17, 2016, 12:49:46 AM
The problem Pulis seems to have is he is reliant on too small a squad of players and clearly doesn't rate or trust the rest of the 25 man squad. That means players out of position and potential problems when there are key injuries like we have now.
Absolutely and it's a problem that's largely of his own making. Consequently, for him to be moaning about tired players doesn't engender any sympathy from me because, if they are tired, it's primarily due to his intransigence in terms of the small number of players that he's willing to play. As you say, he will even have players playing ridiculously out of position, to the detriment of our shape and cohesiveness, than bring others into the side who can more naturally play in the positions in question.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 17, 2016, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on January 17, 2016, 07:38:11 AM
Absolutely and it's a problem that's largely of his own making. Consequently, for him to be moaning about tired players doesn't engender any sympathy from me because, if they are tired, it's primarily due to his intransigence in terms of the small number of players that he's willing to play. As you say, he will even have players playing ridiculously out of position, to the detriment of our shape and cohesiveness, than bring others into the side who can more naturally play in the positions in question.

We have three right wingers at the club Sessegnon McManaman and Gnabry he won't play two of them doesn't entirely trust Sessegnon so from time to time he plays Gardner there.

Full backs Will play anyone there apart from either of the two who are on the books fair enough he doesn't rate them I get it but twisting the rest of the line up inside out to avoid playing them is detrimental to the overall shape of the team. I am not going to pick up the Chester stick that is just too easy 

Attacking Midfield not really a position in Pulisball he would much prefer to have a 4-4-2 but we need one to make 4-2-3-1 work and that is Morrison (currently out injured) you could argue that is Sessegnon's best position but Pulis won't play him there but then again see right wingers above.

I can go on and yes you could argue he hasn't been dealt the best hand but he might have played it better.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on January 17, 2016, 10:33:53 AM
Palace are starting legal proceedings to get a million pound bonus back off Tony.

Apparently he left 2 days early from Palace.

Link below.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3402955/Crystal-Palace-ready-start-proceedings-against-West-Brom-manager-Tony-Pulis-reclaim-bonus-1million.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Smooth Lad on January 17, 2016, 11:28:01 AM
Quote from: dan7heman on January 17, 2016, 10:33:53 AM
Palace are starting legal proceedings to get a million pound bonus back off Tony.

Apparently he left 2 days early from Palace.

Link below.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3402955/Crystal-Palace-ready-start-proceedings-against-West-Brom-manager-Tony-Pulis-reclaim-bonus-1million.html

Oh, for crying out loud. I wouldn't want to be in that dressing room at the moment.

I wonder what his bonus is for keeping us up?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 17, 2016, 01:15:52 PM
Quote from: paulosull on January 16, 2016, 07:52:51 PM
That's no excuse to blame schedule, the team like always came with a plan of park the bus and frustrate the opposition. Tony why oh why didn't you set up team to have a go?

Might as well...We lost (heavily) on Saturday.
Have a go and lose..Fair enough, but to capitulate and defend before even the first kick is stupidity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 17, 2016, 01:20:48 PM
Quote from: Smooth Lad on January 17, 2016, 11:28:01 AM
Oh, for crying out loud. I wouldn't want to be in that dressing room at the moment.

I wonder what his bonus is for keeping us up?

I imagine TP is laughing his socks off. Left 2 days early, & it's took until now to start legal proceedings?

Some Chairmen will try anything to unbalance their competitors.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 17, 2016, 11:38:30 PM
he needs to win at least one of the cup tie or the villa game,if he looses both the knives will be out big time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 18, 2016, 10:29:37 AM
We are a bang mediocre premiership side there's no more no less to it, no danger of going down and equally the same no danger of cracking the top 10.

I'm a fan of pulis and on the whole have been very happy how the season has gone he has worked wonders with the 15 or so players he's in favour with.

13/14th spot would be a success in my eyes, that article a couple weeks ago he put in the mail about us achieving Europe and getting to cup finals will probably be the stupidest thing he will do this season, its just simply not true no matter how you want to set out your targets and aims and all that pony, I bet peace didn't appreciate it either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 18, 2016, 10:56:14 AM
Villa, Swansea at home and then Newcastle away should be looking to get points from all of those and take us pass 30 points :), keep the faith.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 18, 2016, 11:07:38 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on January 18, 2016, 10:56:14 AM
Villa, Swansea at home and then Newcastle away should be looking to get points from all of those and take us pass 30 points :), keep the faith.


some would take a draw in all 3 of those games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 18, 2016, 11:08:51 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 18, 2016, 11:07:38 AM

some would take a draw in all 3 of those games

I'd take a draw in the villa and Newcastle game go for the win against Swansea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on January 18, 2016, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on January 18, 2016, 11:08:51 AM
I'd take a draw in the villa and Newcastle game go for the win against Swansea.
If our ambition is to take a draw against the worst vile side in years at home it's time to give over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 18, 2016, 11:27:49 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on January 18, 2016, 10:56:14 AM
Villa, Swansea at home and then Newcastle away should be looking to get points from all of those and take us pass 30 points :), keep the faith.

We need 6 points from those games I think, 3 against those lot down the road, and not bothered how the other 3 come
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 18, 2016, 11:33:48 AM
Bottom of the legue villa and some on here are happy with a draw. Why dont someone grow a pair and say that we should be looking to beat teams like this regardless if its villa or not. This is what Tony Pulis has bought to our club, doom and gloom. Sooner hes gone the better. No other club's fans are like us. He really has split us 50/50 in one year. Its pathetic. He is the dinosaur of the premier league. Big Sam plays better football than us, and plays people in their right positions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 12:24:53 PM
We are a mid table team, with a mid table squad that is running a bit light because previous regimes purchased some absolute rubbish that nobody will touch with a barge pole, so are stuck on our wage bill. Add to that a couple of recent signing that don't seem to have worked out and it's not rocket science that when we are more than a couple missing from our strongest XI we will have issues.

This means that some weeks we will be very good, some weeks we will be average and some weeks we will be rubbish - we will win some, lose some and draw some - this means we will remain half way up the league - mid table mediocrity, what we spent over a decade dreaming of.

We have played alot of games recently and Saturday seems to have been a symptom of that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 18, 2016, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 12:24:53 PM
We are a mid table team, with a mid table squad that is running a bit light because previous regimes purchased some absolute rubbish that nobody will touch with a barge pole, so are stuck on our wage bill. Add to that a couple of recent signing that don't seem to have worked out and it's not rocket science that when we are more than a couple missing from our strongest XI we will have issues.

This means that some weeks we will be very good, some weeks we will be average and some weeks we will be rubbish - we will win some, lose some and draw some - this means we will remain half way up the league - mid table mediocrity, what we spent over a decade dreaming of.

We have played alot of games recently and Saturday seems to have been a symptom of that.

There you go again with the logical sensible stuff.
Will you just pack it in and join the rest of us in the histrionics please !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 18, 2016, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 12:24:53 PM
We are a mid table team, with a mid table squad that is running a bit light because previous regimes purchased some absolute rubbish that nobody will touch with a barge pole, so are stuck on our wage bill. Add to that a couple of recent signing that don't seem to have worked out and it's not rocket science that when we are more than a couple missing from our strongest XI we will have issues.

This means that some weeks we will be very good, some weeks we will be average and some weeks we will be rubbish - we will win some, lose some and draw some - this means we will remain half way up the league - mid table mediocrity, what we spent over a decade dreaming of.

We have played alot of games recently and Saturday seems to have been a symptom of that.

Spot on, socail media went into 'Meltdown' again on saturday after the defeat, and thus I didn't even bother coming on here or twitter to have a look.

There are going to be times when we are just not at the races, and we don't have the squad to compete twice a week against good sides. All the effort went into Chelsea by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 12:56:24 PM
The effort and energy used at Chelsea was phenomenal, no shock that just two days later we looked off the pace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 18, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 18, 2016, 11:33:48 AM
Bottom of the legue villa and some on here are happy with a draw. Why dont someone grow a pair and say that we should be looking to beat teams like this regardless if its villa or not. This is what Tony Pulis has bought to our club, doom and gloom. Sooner hes gone the better. No other club's fans are like us. He really has split us 50/50 in one year. Its pathetic. He is the dinosaur of the premier league. Big Sam plays better football than us, and plays people in their right positions.

You are right, we should be looking to beat teams like this but as in any derby form goes completely out of the window. So whilst I would like to 'sneak it' I too would be happy with a draw, particularly as they seem to have been playing with a bit of team spirit over the past couple of games. Hopefully TP will play 20 yards up the pitch and peg them back, but if we sit back and defend, I fear the inevitable. What odds on secret agent Lescott scoring?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 18, 2016, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 12:56:24 PM
The effort and energy used at Chelsea was phenomenal, no shock that just two days later we looked off the pace.

Whilst I agree surely we should be utilising the squad better especially considering we have Bristol this week. I don't see why the likes of Chester and Mcmanaman at the very least couldn't have played some part. Then you have others like Poco, Gamboa, Gnabry. No harm in giving them a run off the bench to conserve the energy of our regular players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 18, 2016, 01:08:22 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 18, 2016, 01:04:37 PM
Whilst I agree surely we should be utilising the squad better especially considering we have Bristol this week. I don't see why the likes of Chester and Mcmanaman at the very least couldn't have played some part. Then you have others like Poco, Gamboa, Gnabry. No harm in giving them a run off the bench to conserve the energy of our regular players.

Spot on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 01:22:32 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 18, 2016, 01:04:37 PM
Whilst I agree surely we should be utilising the squad better especially considering we have Bristol this week. I don't see why the likes of Chester and Mcmanaman at the very least couldn't have played some part. Then you have others like Poco, Gamboa, Gnabry. No harm in giving them a run off the bench to conserve the energy of our regular players.

Then if we lose it will be "Pulis played a weakened team" etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 18, 2016, 01:47:25 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 01:22:32 PM
Then if we lose it will be "Pulis played a weakened team" etc.

Cant see how we could have played worse against Southampton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 18, 2016, 01:49:21 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 01:22:32 PM
Then if we lose it will be "Pulis played a weakened team" etc.

Damned if he doesn't and f(*d if he does  ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 18, 2016, 01:47:25 PM
Cant see how we could have played worse against Southampton.

Played worse when?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendo on January 18, 2016, 02:57:03 PM
Why does Pulis keep using the excuse about the fact we had to play 2 games in 3 days to cover for the rubbish we produced at Southampton. Why not just say we were rubbish and not one player deserved there pay. Then saying they were all tired and not up for it. God help us if we ever had to travel for a Thursday night match in the Europa, we would need a week off after. I hope they realise that relegation is  a possibility with this squad we,ve got. Were are the goals going to come from? We don.t seem to have any body to score many. Some of the wayward shooting on Saturday, I thought the 6 nations rugby had started.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 02:59:11 PM
More to the point, have you seen us play recently apart from Southampton?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 18, 2016, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: kendo on January 18, 2016, 02:57:03 PM
Why does Pulis keep using the excuse about the fact we had to play 2 games in 3 days to cover for the rubbish we produced at Southampton. Why not just say we were rubbish and not one player deserved there pay. Then saying they were all tired and not up for it. God help us if we ever had to travel for a Thursday night match in the Europa, we would need a week off after. I hope they realise that relegation is  a possibility with this squad we,ve got. Were are the goals going to come from? We don.t seem to have any body to score many. Some of the wayward shooting on Saturday, I thought the 6 nations rugby had started.

Why dig the players out to pacify a few pant wetting fans? They were superb on Wednesday and don't deserve the treatment you're suggesting. They'll have been told what he thought behind closed doors and for me that's enough. He keeps making comments about fixtures in the hope that other managers will add to his voice and fixture congestion caused by the greedy Premier League will stop happening.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 03:42:21 PM
Exactly.

What Pulis says to the media and what happens behind closed doors (where it really matters) are often two very different things.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 18, 2016, 03:46:59 PM
on the schedule thing, didn't Soton have the same schedule as us??

I haven't checked but suspect Koeman has used his squad whereas .............
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 18, 2016, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 18, 2016, 03:46:59 PM
on the schedule thing, didn't Soton have the same schedule as us??

I haven't checked but suspect Koeman has used his squad whereas .............

No they had 2 home games we had 2 away games. They made 2 changes between the 2 matches we made 3 changes. Go figure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 18, 2016, 04:09:25 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 18, 2016, 03:46:59 PM
on the schedule thing, didn't Soton have the same schedule as us??
Every Prem side either had two home games or two away games last week, why the schedule couldn't kick out a way so each team had a home and away god only knows, look at West Ham had to play at Bournemouth and then at Newcastle a few days later.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 18, 2016, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 18, 2016, 03:51:37 PM
No they had 2 home games we had 2 away games. They made 2 changes between the 2 matches we made 3 changes. Go figure.

West End of london in 2.5 days to Southampton is hardly a taxing journey though is it?
So I'm discounting the away games thing.

Number of changes is surprising though, so maybe they are younger and fitter than our mob !  either way we should not be trotting out the schedule as an excuse when both clubs played at the same times.

Some times TP has to front up say "we played badly and were tactically worse, but we will get it right more often than we get it wrong"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 18, 2016, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 18, 2016, 03:51:37 PM
No they had 2 home games we had 2 away games. They made 2 changes between the 2 matches we made 3 changes. Go figure.

You have to feel really sorry for the players having to travel a few miles. How awful for them. Besides Pulis said that basically the players were going to do very little other than recover from the Chelsea game. Hardly strenuous for them. I bet the Southampton players did more work on the training pitch that we did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendo on January 18, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 02:59:11 PM
More to the point, have you seen us play recently apart from Southampton?
  Yes I have seen most games this season and there is more than just the Southampton game that they did not perform
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 18, 2016, 05:11:51 PM
And there are also games where we did perform.

Which links perfectly to my points made earlier......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 18, 2016, 05:35:05 PM
I honestly think since Arsenal we have played some good football (  using width we have cried out for) and picked up some very good points , thats not say naturally there aren't games we could have done better in.
This is a massive week for TP , a replay away from home and a Derby game when the form book goes out the window .I'm slightly worried with the players looking tired on Saturday and injuries starting to add up i'll admit but if anybody can pull them through it then its TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on January 18, 2016, 11:13:47 PM
 :o player's tired moans TP well use your squad tone and stop bleating
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 19, 2016, 06:23:28 AM
Quote from: paulosull on January 18, 2016, 11:13:47 PM
:o player's tired moans TP well use your squad tone and stop bleating

Difficult when a third of the squad simply aren't good enough
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 19, 2016, 07:44:55 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on January 19, 2016, 06:23:28 AM
Difficult when a third of the squad simply aren't good enough
Difficult when your coach thinks a third of the squad don't fit his style of play and therefore doesn't accommodate for them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 19, 2016, 08:31:49 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 19, 2016, 07:44:55 AM
Difficult when your coach thinks a third of the squad don't fit his style of play and therefore doesn't accommodate for them.

How would you accommodate the likes of Victor, Lambert, Chester on a regular basis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 19, 2016, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 19, 2016, 07:44:55 AM
Difficult when your coach thinks a third of the squad don't fit his style of play and therefore doesn't accommodate for them.

Seems that applies to many coaches up and down the land with players being excluded. I think Yacob spent a long time out before Pulis came didn't he ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 19, 2016, 10:53:57 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 19, 2016, 10:33:56 AM
Seems that applies to many coaches up and down the land with players being excluded. I think Yacob spent a long time out before Pulis came didn't he ?

Gamboa, Varela, Blanco and Samaras all cold shouldered by Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 19, 2016, 11:15:32 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 19, 2016, 10:53:57 AM
Gamboa, Varela, Blanco and Samaras all cold shouldered by Alan Irvine.

Pulis couldn't wait to get rid of them. It seems nobody wants Gamboa the "world cup star".

I do remember Irvine playing Varela when he was fully fit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on January 19, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
the depth of the squad is the manager's issue. We have players he refuses to use - but yet has not moved on. They can't be so bad that he could not have found a way of making them part of the squad - instead he has frozen them out - they are training with the kids (sess too until recently) - despite objectively them being talented internationals. As a result we have a tiny squad and a couple of injuries have exposed us. Added to the fact that we refuse to blood any kids. I was at the clelsea game - and it was ace. However, the league is played over 38 games, and the manager can't expect to rely on the same 13 or so players when the league is designed for a squad of 20 or more
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 19, 2016, 12:27:38 PM
Given that Pulis does a lot of 11 v 11 work, I doubt they're training with the kids.

To move players on, a club needs to make an offer and the player has to want to go. Anichebe and Pocognoli have both turned down loan moves to clubs for increased game time.

The fact Gamboa hasn't been linked with anyone tells you a lot too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 19, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
Quote from: MarkW on January 19, 2016, 12:27:38 PM
Given that Pulis does a lot of 11 v 11 work, I doubt they're training with the kids.

To move players on, a club needs to make an offer and the player has to want to go. Anichebe and Pocognoli have both turned down loan moves to clubs for increased game time.

The fact Gamboa hasn't been linked with anyone tells you a lot too.
That people aren't prepared to spend significant money on players who haven't featured regularly in a season and a half (unless their name is Ricky Lambert  :-[)??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 19, 2016, 12:46:06 PM
How do we know that the club isn't demanding ridiculous money for these players? For example we may be looking to recoup a big chunk of the £6m we paid for Anichebe. Wouldn't it be worthwhile to let him go for nothing if someone will take him off our hands? The same goes for Poco and Gamboa.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 19, 2016, 12:48:18 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 19, 2016, 12:46:06 PM
How do we know that the club isn't demanding ridiculous money for these players? For example we may be looking to recoup a big chunk of the £6m we paid for Anichebe. Wouldn't it be worthwhile to let him go for nothing if someone will take him off our hands? The same goes for Poco and Gamboa.

The short answer is we don't know. We won't know until someone comes in with a bid for them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 19, 2016, 12:59:53 PM
Quote from: MarkW on January 19, 2016, 12:27:38 PM

The fact Gamboa hasn't been linked with anyone tells you a lot too.
That type of comment was thrown at people advocating Sess should be given a run out a few months ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on January 19, 2016, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on January 19, 2016, 08:31:49 AM
How would you accommodate the likes of Victor, Lambert, Chester on a regular basis?

Whether they are good enough is open to debate, but two of those fringe players were signed by Tony Pulis. If they aren't good enough then why waste the money on them?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 19, 2016, 01:12:35 PM
All of our players are up for sale at the right price. The fact that teams are only really showing an interest in Berahino speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 19, 2016, 01:26:22 PM
Quote from: Doobuy on January 19, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
the depth of the squad is the manager's issue. We have players he refuses to use - but yet has not moved on. They can't be so bad that he could not have found a way of making them part of the squad - instead he has frozen them out - they are training with the kids (sess too until recently) - despite objectively them being talented internationals. As a result we have a tiny squad and a couple of injuries have exposed us. Added to the fact that we refuse to blood any kids. I was at the clelsea game - and it was ace. However, the league is played over 38 games, and the manager can't expect to rely on the same 13 or so players when the league is designed for a squad of 20 or more

With respect, it doesn't make sense to have any of the first team squad players "training with the kids". If you don't watch them in training, how do you know if they're ready to "do a job for you"?
It's more likely that the whole squad train together, but some players just don't, or can't, adapt themselves to fit in with the plan. Sess obviously found a way to adapt his game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 19, 2016, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 19, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
That people aren't prepared to spend significant money on players who haven't featured regularly in a season and a half (unless their name is Ricky Lambert  :-[)??

The likes of Gamboa hardly featured under Irvine either. And as I have already stated, clubs have tried to get Anichebe and Pocognoli on loan only for the players to reject the chance to play regularly.

Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 19, 2016, 12:59:53 PM
That type of comment was thrown at people advocating Sess should be given a run out a few months ago.

I don't get what point you're making? Sessegnon is in the team on merit and has played well when he has played.

The players that aren't featuring are clearly not bad players, but for whatever reason they aren't the types of players that TP wants in his 18 on a Saturday. We know he prefers taller full backs, hence Gamboa doesn't get a look in. I dare say if Everton came in for Gamboa he'd do well for them because he plays more in the style that Martinez wants than Pulis. Likewise Coleman would do badly in our team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on January 19, 2016, 01:56:59 PM
there was a comment in an interview with sess that i read recently that said he was training with poco and gamboa with the kids away from the first team until he got another chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 19, 2016, 02:05:21 PM
Poll today on the BBC Sport Website:

Full results

Next manager to leave their club...

Louis van Gaal (Manchester United) 26.2%, Remi Garde (Aston Villa) 15.3%, Alex Neil (Norwich) 13.6%, Steve McClaren (Newcastle) 9.8%, Guus Hiddink (Chelsea) 7.6%, Manuel Pellegrini (Manchester City) 5.9%, Sam Allardyce (Sunderland) 3.7%, Ronald Koeman (Southampton) 2.5%, Francesco Guidolin (Swansea) 2.5%, Roberto Martinez (Everton) 2.4%, Tony Pulis (West Brom) 2.2%, Arsene Wenger (Arsenal) 1.9%, Jurgen Klopp (Liverpool) 1.4%, Alan Pardew (Crystal Palace) 0.8%, Slaven Bilic (West Ham) 0.5%, Mauricio Pochettino (Tottenham) 0.5%, Eddie Howe (Bournemouth) 0.4%, Claudio Ranieri (Leicester) 0.3%, Mark Hughes (Stoke) 0.1%.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 19, 2016, 05:40:22 PM
Quote from: paulosull on January 18, 2016, 11:13:47 PM
:o player's tired moans TP well use your squad tone and stop bleating
Another factor in player tiredness is having so little of the possession that you're having to spend so much time and energy chasing around after the ball of course.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2016, 02:46:55 PM
just saying thats all, if we were to go down is Pulis the one to bring us back up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 20, 2016, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2016, 02:46:55 PM
just saying thats all, if we were to go down is Pulis the one to bring us back up

Probably not, but it's a moot point. Survival this season virtually guarantees us a place at the top table until football implodes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2016, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 20, 2016, 03:25:23 PM
Probably not, but it's a moot point. Survival this season virtually guarantees us a place at the top table until football implodes.

On that basis its imperitive we are serious about cup football. Otherwise, its years of boredom and finishing between 8th and 17th
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 20, 2016, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: Morany on January 20, 2016, 03:27:37 PM
On that basis its imperitive we are serious about cup football. Otherwise, its years of boredom and finishing between 8th and 17th

Problem is at the moment that suits the club absolutely fine. No need for extra expense travelling Europe in the Europa League where many clubs lose money and not having to concern themselves with dropping into the Championship whislt each year getting the financial rewards of the Premier League.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 20, 2016, 03:37:45 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 20, 2016, 03:25:23 PM
Probably not, but it's a moot point. Survival this season virtually guarantees us a place at the top table until football implodes.
are they scrapping relegation.3 teams will still go down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2016, 03:40:45 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 20, 2016, 03:36:41 PM
Problem is at the moment that suits the club absolutely fine. No need for extra expense travelling Europe in the Europa League where many clubs lose money and not having to concern themselves with dropping into the Championship whislt each year getting the financial rewards of the Premier League.

Agreed, it does indeed. For a fan however, it probably means I'll eventually stop going through sheer boredom
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 20, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 20, 2016, 03:37:45 PM
are they scrapping relegation.3 teams will still go down.

But we will always have the upper hand of having a Premier League strength squad. Whereas a Championship squad will always struggle barring the odd miracle every other season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 20, 2016, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: Morany on January 20, 2016, 03:27:37 PM
On that basis its imperitive we are serious about cup football. Otherwise, its years of boredom and finishing between 8th and 17th

What like Leicester this season?  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2016, 03:53:18 PM
Quote from: Legend on January 20, 2016, 03:49:16 PM
What like Leicester this season?  ;)

With turgid tone in charge, I can't imagine that  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 20, 2016, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: BB74 on January 20, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
But we will always have the upper hand of having a Premier League strength squad. Whereas a Championship squad will always struggle barring the odd miracle every other season.
none of the three teams that came up from the championship occupy a relegation spot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 20, 2016, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: BB74 on January 20, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
But we will always have the upper hand of having a Premier League strength squad. Whereas a Championship squad will always struggle barring the odd miracle every other season.

Makes no odds if they can't play together. Newcastle and Sunderland arguably have Premier League strength squads. With the money being thrown around next season it's going to get even harder for us IMO. We can't compete with the majority of clubs transfer wise now let alone next year. I think we'll survive this year but I worry going forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2016, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 20, 2016, 04:12:36 PM
Makes no odds if they can't play together. Newcastle and Sunderland arguably have Premier League strength squads. With the money being thrown around next season it's going to get even harder for us IMO. We can't compete with the majority of clubs transfer wise now let alone next year. I think we'll survive this year but I worry going forward.

Good point, just because we stay up doesnt make it nailed on that we will continue to do so. Teams that continue to outbid us or spend more now will just do it on a bigger scale with more money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 20, 2016, 04:21:36 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 20, 2016, 04:11:27 PM
none of the three teams that came up from the championship occupy a relegation spot.

It's where they are come May that counts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 20, 2016, 04:22:27 PM
Quote from: Morany on January 20, 2016, 04:17:43 PM
Good point, just because we stay up doesnt make it nailed on that we will continue to do so. Teams that continue to outbid us or spend more now will just do it on a bigger scale with more money.

Precisely. Some of our fans think that we are untouchable as we have Pulis in charge. I bet most Toon, Sunderland and Villa fans would have said the same thing a year or two ago. It's inevitable that we'll go down at some point. Personally I think it will be sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2016, 04:38:53 PM
Personally I am concerned with the money that the likes of Newcastle and Sunderland are throwing around. The toon want Saido and Townsend having already bought Shelvey for £12m. They are showing real ambition in staying up. Sunderland are making similar noises, Norwich and Swansea are buying, and we are just sat here waiting for someone to come and buy our bad boy. We don't appear to be linked to any players, or indeed have any interest in any of our players other than SB. Whilst I don't think we will go this year, if we keep playing 'Texas Hold em' with the other clubs we are going to go soon......TP needs the funds to strengthen now.........

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 20, 2016, 04:46:03 PM
we (JP) don't have the money - simples !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 21, 2016, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 20, 2016, 04:38:53 PM
Personally I am concerned with the money that the likes of Newcastle and Sunderland are throwing around. The toon want Saido and Townsend having already bought Shelvey for £12m. They are showing real ambition in staying up. Sunderland are making similar noises, Norwich and Swansea are buying, and we are just sat here waiting for someone to come and buy our bad boy. We don't appear to be linked to any players, or indeed have any interest in any of our players other than SB. Whilst I don't think we will go this year, if we keep playing 'Texas Hold em' with the other clubs we are going to go soon......TP needs the funds to strengthen now.........

Because we're not desperate.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 21, 2016, 02:35:40 PM
Seems the fact that we were the 5th biggest spending club over the summer has missed a few people, we have a decent squad and no immediate panic buy holes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 21, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 20, 2016, 04:38:53 PM
Personally I am concerned with the money that the likes of Newcastle and Sunderland are throwing around. The toon want Saido and Townsend having already bought Shelvey for £12m. They are showing real ambition in staying up. Sunderland are making similar noises, Norwich and Swansea are buying, and we are just sat here waiting for someone to come and buy our bad boy. We don't appear to be linked to any players, or indeed have any interest in any of our players other than SB. Whilst I don't think we will go this year, if we keep playing 'Texas Hold em' with the other clubs we are going to go soon......TP needs the funds to strengthen now.........

QPR threw millions at it last year, what happened to them?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 21, 2016, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 20, 2016, 04:38:53 PM
Personally I am concerned with the money that the likes of Newcastle and Sunderland are throwing around. The toon want Saido and Townsend having already bought Shelvey for £12m. They are showing real ambition in staying up. Sunderland are making similar noises, Norwich and Swansea are buying, and we are just sat here waiting for someone to come and buy our bad boy. We don't appear to be linked to any players, or indeed have any interest in any of our players other than SB. Whilst I don't think we will go this year, if we keep playing 'Texas Hold em' with the other clubs we are going to go soon......TP needs the funds to strengthen now.........

I understand what your saying to an extent but I dont agree with it.

Would I have been happy for us to spend 12 million on Shelvey? Not really, as we dont need someone like him, and for every one good game he has, he has 3 bad onoes.

Norwich have spent 8million on Naismith, good luck with that, I wouldnt have been happy had we been spending that.

Sunderland are bidding 9million on Ayew (potentially more), makes you wonder why Swansea would be willing to let him go to a team directly next to them in the fight for relegation.

Newcastle spending 12million+ to try and sign Townsend, a player I dont really rate, one trick pony and shouldnt be demanding that type of fee in my opinion.

As  someone else has said, QPR spent money last year and it didnt do them any good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 21, 2016, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on January 21, 2016, 02:57:54 PM
I understand what your saying to an extent but I dont agree with it.

Would I have been happy for us to spend 12 million on Shelvey? Not really, as we dont need someone like him, and for every one good game he has, he has 3 bad onoes.

Norwich have spent 8million on Naismith, good luck with that, I wouldnt have been happy had we been spending that.

Sunderland are bidding 9million on Ayew (potentially more), makes you wonder why Swansea would be willing to let him go to a team directly next to them in the fight for relegation.

Newcastle spending 12million+ to try and sign Townsend, a player I dont really rate, one trick pony and shouldnt be demanding that type of fee in my opinion.

As  someone else has said, QPR spent money last year and it didnt do them any good.

I'd argue that's exactly what we need. His passing range is superb and he's box to box, not afraid to tackle or shoot
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 21, 2016, 03:11:14 PM
Quote from: Morany on January 21, 2016, 03:05:21 PM
I'd argue that's exactly what we need. His passing range is superb and he's box to box, not afraid to tackle or shoot

Shelvey is 100% better than Morrison.

People have got to realise the price of players has increased now. A 5 million player now costs 8 million.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 21, 2016, 03:16:47 PM
Quote from: Morany on January 21, 2016, 03:05:21 PM
I'd argue that's exactly what we need. His passing range is superb and he's box to box, not afraid to tackle or shoot

Me too

Yes he has bad games but thats why he plays for clubs Swansea, Newcastle and why we should be aiming for players like this.

On his day he is a very very talented player and if he had more consistency then I think he would be at a big club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 21, 2016, 03:33:11 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 21, 2016, 02:29:35 PM
Because we're not desperate.

Not at the moment we aren't.

I am not suggesting that we throw money at it, but if SB goes we only really have Rondon up front. We are still short of delivery into the box so could do with another winger [or play the one we already have], our LB position is a bit suspect [although I would go with Poc] and mid field seems a bit light especially with the injuries we have. I am not for one second suggesting a spend fest, but I would at least like some indication of some movement. 

If the Sunderland and Newcastle purchases pay off, and other teams make purchases on a lesser scale and they come good, by mid April we could be closer than we want to be with the relegation struggle, and we will be desperate then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 21, 2016, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 21, 2016, 03:11:14 PM
Shelvey is 100% better than Morrison.

People have got to realise the price of players has increased now. A 5 million player now costs 8 million.

Totally agree mate. With the money being thrown around next season your £8m player is going to be more £10-12m.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 21, 2016, 08:21:12 PM
we have arguably blown and wasted in excess of 25million in 12months[mac,chester,lambert wages,rondon]fletcher and evans were gemee transfers my gran could have scouted,clubs who unearth the best players irrespective of there value are the teams that will stay in the premier
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 21, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
Quote from: Morany on January 21, 2016, 03:05:21 PM
I'd argue that's exactly what we need. His passing range is superb and he's box to box, not afraid to tackle or shoot

I agree, my only question on Shelvey is why Swansea were so quick to ship him off to a relegation rival.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 21, 2016, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on January 21, 2016, 08:21:12 PM
we have arguably blown and wasted in excess of 25million in 12months[mac,chester,lambert wages,rondon]fletcher and evans were gemee transfers my gran could have scouted,clubs who unearth the best players irrespective of there value are the teams that will stay in the premier

Your gran may have been able to scout Fletcher and Evans but there were plenty on here and other sites that weren't convinced by them. In fact I remember numerous people say Evans was rubbish after listening to a lot of United fans and there was serious doubts over the fitness of Fletcher after the unfortunate health issues he had earlier in his career.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 21, 2016, 10:22:13 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on January 21, 2016, 10:10:38 PM
Your gran may have been able to scout Fletcher and Evans but there were plenty on here and other sites that weren't convinced by them. In fact I remember numerous people say Evans was rubbish after listening to a lot of United fans and there was serious doubts over the fitness of Fletcher after the unfortunate health issues he had earlier in his career.
Yep, spot on.
Hindsight is fantastic, at the time Fletcher was deemed a massive fitness risk and was viewed similarly to Owen Hargreaves, whereas Evans was seen as awful by many and not good enough.

It's easy to bash some of the Pulis transfers but you're quick to forget how bad things were before him. The previous 3 windows were absolutely awful and put us dangerously close to relegation.
His methods are clearly not perfect but they are a damn-sight better than previously.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 21, 2016, 11:25:51 PM
I don't know who our scouts are now, but I can remember having a good scouting group with Bobby Hope among them.
Should we rewind the clock and employ ex-footballers?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 22, 2016, 07:58:01 AM
Tone you could be an hero for a day tomorrow
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 22, 2016, 10:12:56 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 22, 2016, 07:58:01 AM
Tone you could be an hero for a day tomorrow
I hope he's playing mind games with the vile seals
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-tony-pulis-provides-10772540
"West Brom: Tony Pulis provides fitness update of his squad - with a number of players likely to miss derby"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 22, 2016, 10:20:54 AM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on January 22, 2016, 10:12:56 AM
I hope he's playing mind games with the vile seals
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-tony-pulis-provides-10772540
"West Brom: Tony Pulis provides fitness update of his squad - with a number of players likely to miss derby"


tis all we need, we could and should have beaten Bristol at home to avoid another game. Its only the same for other teams tone eh, i suppose you moaning about xmas games too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 22, 2016, 01:45:58 PM
Dear Mr Tony Pulis

I have never been a big fan of your (perceived) negative style & have openly lambasted the way you have set teams up to (allegedly) not lose, HOWEVER! if we beat the vile tomorrow & (effectively) seal (see what I did there) their fate, I hereby promise to carry you up & down Erdington High St on my shoulders singing "we'll meet again".

You have an opportunity to become embedded in West Bromwich Albion folklore as the manager who helped relegate the vilers from witton, the self proclaimed massive club who's fans are the most delusional bunch of f(ckwits in the Country, Mr Pulis, I ask you this from the bottom of my heart "please do not F(CK this up"

Yours sincerely Me & many thousands of football fans   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 22, 2016, 01:50:05 PM
Just seen Pulis's press meeting this morning.
Well I think it was this morning, it could have been last weeks I suppose because he's starting to sound a bit like a broken record.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 22, 2016, 01:54:10 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on January 22, 2016, 01:50:05 PM
Just seen Pulis's press meeting this morning.
Well I think it was this morning, it could have been last weeks I suppose because he's starting to sound a bit like a broken record.

He can only answer the questions asked by journalists. It's just the standard drivel from journalists looking for a narrative. TP has been around the block long enough to not bother giving them anything
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 22, 2016, 01:55:35 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on January 22, 2016, 01:50:05 PM
Just seen Pulis's press meeting this morning.
Well I think it was this morning, it could have been last weeks I suppose because he's starting to sound a bit like a broken record.

He's only got himself to blame for not utilising the squad better especially with the cup games. No doubt he'll send Brunt out in a wheelchair tomorrow to avoid playing Poco.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 22, 2016, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on January 22, 2016, 01:45:58 PM
Dear Mr Tony Pulis

I have never been a big fan of your (perceived) negative style & have openly lambasted the way you have set teams up to (allegedly) not lose, HOWEVER! if we beat the vile tomorrow & (effectively) seal (see what I did there) their fate, I hereby promise to carry you up & down Erdington High St on my shoulders singing "we'll meet again".

You have an opportunity to become embedded in West Bromwich Albion folklore as the manager who helped relegate the vilers from witton, the self proclaimed massive club who's fans are the most delusional bunch of clowns in the Country, Mr Pulis, I ask you this from the bottom of my heart "please do not F(CK this up"

Yours sincerely Me & many thousands of football fans

Quality, but I'd just like to add a couple of things.
COYB and SOTV.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on January 23, 2016, 10:16:07 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 22, 2016, 01:55:35 PM
He's only got himself to blame for not utilising the squad better especially with the cup games. No doubt he'll send Brunt out in a wheelchair tomorrow to avoid playing Poco.

You've got to be kidding? He has played just about our strongest side versus lower league opposition in the cup and we have only just scraped through. If he would have put out a weaker side then we wouldn't be in the cup, YET AGAIN.

I appreciate today is exciting as we have the chance to pretty much put the villa down but every other week in the premier league bores me to tears.

0, 1 or 2 shots on target within 90 minutes of football is BORING.

The constant primary objective of reaching 40 points and staying in the league is BORING.

Aside from today's game having a really good cup run is the only form of excitement left any more.

Rant over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 23, 2016, 10:52:21 AM
Quote from: slate on January 23, 2016, 10:16:07 AM
You've got to be kidding? He has played just about our strongest side versus lower league opposition in the cup and we have only just scraped through. If he would have put out a weaker side then we wouldn't be in the cup, YET AGAIN.

I appreciate today is exciting as we have the chance to pretty much put the villa down but every other week in the premier league bores me to tears.

0, 1 or 2 shots on target within 90 minutes of football is BORING.

The constant primary objective of reaching 40 points and staying in the league is BORING.

Aside from today's game having a really good cup run is the only form of excitement left any more.

Rant over.

He could quite easily have played Poco and Mcmanaman from the start and still progressed in the cup. We are talking about a poor Bristol City side here not Man City.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on January 23, 2016, 11:01:11 AM
Did you even watch the games? We were not dominant and particularly in the first leg there was nothing in it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 23, 2016, 11:14:20 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 22, 2016, 01:55:35 PM
He's only got himself to blame for not utilising the squad better especially with the cup games. No doubt he'll send Brunt out in a wheelchair tomorrow to avoid playing Poco.

 ;D post of the year so far!

Pulis seems to have more sacred cows than Mowbray had.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on January 23, 2016, 12:05:04 PM
Call me shallow but I dont give a f**k about what went before if he gets us a win today and contributes to villas relegation then he has had a great year. Likewise if we lose because of him then he can empty his locker and do one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 23, 2016, 12:12:02 PM
Pulis simply cannot afford to completely ignore 6 players in a squad of 23 it puts too much work on the players he does trust and makes "tired" performances like the one at Southampton almost inevitable. It is not to say he should have made wholesale changes for any game but a few changes here and there would greatly help the core of the squad's legs in the second half of the season.

Quote from: swad35 on January 23, 2016, 12:05:04 PM
Call me shallow but I dont give a f**k about what went before if he gets us a win today and contributes to villas relegation then he has had a great year. Likewise if we lose because of him then he can empty his locker and do one.

You are shallow there you go.  :o

My problems with Pulis are longstanding and won't be resolved by the outcome of one match either way. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 23, 2016, 12:39:43 PM
he needs to play poco at left back and evans at centre half,and not use anchibe in midfield today,if he does the opposite and we lose my patience with him would be gone im afraid
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 23, 2016, 12:46:14 PM
He has to stop his players passing backwards.
It happened here... and it can happen to use.
Just a slip and it is a goal.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/video/goalkeeper-howler-costs-team-031120413.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on January 23, 2016, 01:00:51 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on January 23, 2016, 12:39:43 PM
he needs to play poco at left back and evans at centre half,and not use anchibe in midfield today,if he does the opposite and we lose my patience with him would be gone im afraid

I agree entirely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 23, 2016, 01:24:31 PM
Quote from: slate on January 23, 2016, 11:01:11 AM
Did you even watch the games? We were not dominant and particularly in the first leg there was nothing in it

I did indeed. Just shows how poor we are if it takes 2 games to scrape past a very poor side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on January 23, 2016, 04:53:48 PM
2 games, 0 shots on target, explain that Mr Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on January 23, 2016, 05:11:18 PM
Get to 40 points and pay Pulis off and get a football playing coach in for next season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 23, 2016, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: Mikkyk on January 23, 2016, 04:53:48 PM
2 games, 0 shots on target, explain that Mr Pulis
Against Vile 15 shots 4 on target. Nothing to get to excited about I know!! :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on January 23, 2016, 05:13:36 PM
All he is protecting is his never been relegated tag...doesn't care about the football or the fans...please please go..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 23, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
Quote from: botters on January 23, 2016, 05:11:18 PM
Get to 40 points and pay Pulis off and get a football playing coach in for next season
He answers to JP , not us
Even if he did he would say, we are well on target for safety, it takes time to create stability and progress, he was hampered by some bad purchases prior to his arrival, villa are bottom , we have taken 4 points from them , they took one from us..
We are still in the cup, he had to deal with the Saido fiasco etc etc

And I don't even like his brand of football, but he ain't doing that bad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on January 23, 2016, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on January 23, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
He answers to JP , not us
Even if he did he would say, we are well on target for safety, it takes time to create stability and progress, he was hampered by some bad purchases prior to his arrival, villa are bottom , we have taken 4 points from them , they took one from us..
We are still in the cup, he had to deal with the Saido fiasco etc etc

And I don't even like his brand of football, but he ain't doing that bad

You at least want to see some attacking and entertainment for £40 and a shot on goal, if you feel that is acceptable then that's your opinion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 23, 2016, 05:29:10 PM
Firstly I'm not convinced with Pulis in the transfer market but after Saints , Bristol City and Villa i feel he needs some attacking fresh legs to get us over the finishing line. The likes of Anichebe and Saido offer him little , Sess hit and miss, Lambert looks past it and Cmac welded to the bench.
JP won't like it but he needs backing in a sensible manner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 23, 2016, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on January 23, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
He answers to JP , not us
Even if he did he would say, we are well on target for safety, it takes time to create stability and progress, he was hampered by some bad purchases prior to his arrival, villa are bottom , we have taken 4 points from them , they took one from us..
We are still in the cup, he had to deal with the Saido fiasco etc etc

And I don't even like his brand of football, but he ain't doing that bad
his purchases will hamper us just as much as his predecessors.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on January 23, 2016, 05:35:28 PM
Its time for a change. The whole league is moving on and we are going backwards.

End of the season he has to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 23, 2016, 05:37:35 PM
We are seriously stinking up the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on January 23, 2016, 05:50:08 PM
If i was speaking with my emotional side i would say if we lose in the cup, i hope he goes, we could put me in charge and i could get us the other 10 points we need to stay up, if we go out, get rid and start to look to next season.

Speaking with the logical side, i think he will be here til the end of the season and maybe thats the time to decide, i think JP will have a decision to make then because i think fans will act with their feet, but also our reputation in the media and footballing circles is getting ruined, why would any young decent footballer come to us.

I am frustrated because similar to last season, there were two or three games where we showed glimpses and i really thought there was something to build on, but it seems 80% of the time he has a default mode he reverts back to and no matter who the opposition are, we go negative.

We have an ageing squad, we spunked £25m (overall) on Chester, Mcmanaman and Rondon, two are bench warmers and the other we seemed to of sucked any striking instinct out of him but whacking the ball for him to chase and if somehow he does get it, there is nobody in 20 yeards of him anyway!

Even if we hadnt signed one of those three we could of got Demarai Gray, Sam Byram, Charlie Austin (Rondons fee could of got all of them) With the exception of Evans his big money signings have been poor, his bargain ones credit where credits due are looking decent.

Last season it was a necessary evil, grind it out and stay up, a year later and two transfer windows, we have no more ambition to be positive in games. I am concerned the odd times when we put in decent performances are just that, the odd times.

I have just heard his interview and he is saying that players are tired and that people should check Villas squad as its worth £84m, i couldnt give a s**t about villas squad. If i was JP i would be looking at bargain signings or loans this transfer window with a view to permanent if they do well, we should stay up okay anyway but there is no way i would give Pulis a large amount to spend this window based on his big money signings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendo on January 23, 2016, 05:53:35 PM
What another load of rubbish dished up again, week after  week, game after game. We have  been rubbish more than being good that's for sure. was we the home team against Villa ? or Bristol? If they think relegation is not on, , THINK AGAIN ! We have no body who can hit the target , never mind score a goal. How long are we going to think Rondon is going to make it. Oh yes Pulis said he is going to be good. WHEN ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 23, 2016, 06:04:26 PM
Did anyone else hear Tony on the radio excuses excuses
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on January 23, 2016, 06:08:44 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on January 23, 2016, 06:04:26 PM
Did any else hear Tony on the radio excuses excuses

I heard him, he talks utter balls!

He reckons Villa are a very good team  :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 23, 2016, 06:11:16 PM
Quote from: Aztech on January 23, 2016, 06:08:44 PM
I heard him, he talks utter balls!

He reckons Villa are a very good team  :'(


He went on about how they have spent 80million and we played so many games,  :o. Ain't it the same for other teams on games played
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 23, 2016, 06:14:21 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on January 23, 2016, 06:11:16 PM

He went on about how they have spent 80million and we played so many games,  :o. Ain't it the same for other teams on games played

How much money did they get from selling Benteke and Delph.

Which means they've spent no more than us in reality and they outplayed us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 23, 2016, 06:15:29 PM
Please Jeremy don't trust this bloke with another penny.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on January 23, 2016, 06:15:59 PM
We have spent 25 million on 3 strikers who struggle to hit a barn door..Villa are 15 points behind us and we "ground out a result"..he is so dour and uninspiring can't imagine what his team talks must be like...oh yes..."defend..defend..defend"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 23, 2016, 06:16:20 PM
If we continue to keep clean sheets it doesn't really matter if we don't score because we will limp across the line. It may be difficult to watch but at least we will still be in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 23, 2016, 06:21:23 PM
Pulis Out.

I wasnt bothered how we played today as long as we won.

Today was an embarrassment. We were made to look tin pot. We looked like the team that is bottom.

Sooner he is gone the better. No matter how much money he spends it wont be on quality it will be on workhorses and former players like wilson and crouch from stoke. Who will want to come and play for us?

He keeps saying the players look tired.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on January 23, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 23, 2016, 06:16:20 PM
If we continue to keep clean sheets it doesn't really matter if we don't score because we will limp across the line. It may be difficult to watch but at least we will still be in the Premier League.
I think difficult to watch is probably the understatement of the year...I go to football for entertainment not ulcers..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on January 23, 2016, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: kendo on January 23, 2016, 05:53:35 PM
What another load of rubbish dished up again, week after  week, game after game. We have  been rubbish more than being good that's for sure. was we the home team against Villa ? or Bristol? If they think relegation is not on, , THINK AGAIN ! We have no body who can hit the target , never mind score a goal. How long are we going to think Rondon is going to make it. Oh yes Pulis said he is going to be good. WHEN ?

Relegation won't be on for us Kendo, because Pulis will get us enough scrappy wins and bore draws to get to 40 points in fact I think that 36 points will probably be enough so what a couple of scrappy wins and a couple of nil nil draws will do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on January 23, 2016, 06:23:35 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 23, 2016, 06:21:23 PM
Pulis Out.

I wasnt bothered how we played today as long as we won.

Today was an embarrassment. We were made to look tin pot. We looked like the team that is bottom.

Sooner he is gone the better. No matter how much money he spends it wont be on quality it will be on workhorses and former players like wilson and crouch from stoke. Who will want to come and play for us?

He keeps saying the players look tired.
Totally agree...no way is JP going to trust him with any large funds...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 23, 2016, 06:23:59 PM
3 games 1 shot on target.

Shambles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 23, 2016, 06:37:20 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on January 23, 2016, 06:11:16 PM
He went on about how they have spent 80million and we played so many games,  :o. Ain't it the same for other teams on games played
People might not get so angry if he showed any sign of telling it as it is sometimes, such as "we were very poor going forward today and having no shots on target in a major local derby just isn't good enough". People could have respected him for that. But to whinge about how tired we are again (due to his selection and possession strategies) and how much the Villa squad cost is just pathetic really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on January 23, 2016, 06:47:26 PM
It's easy to criticise the strikers but there isn't an ounce of creativity on the pitch bar Sessegnon, who was just a little below par today and isolated.

Yacob and Fletcher (who is great but needs legs around him) is too flat a partnership and there is no drive from the middle of the park and not a quality pass in site. How can  Rondon do anything when he spends 80 minutes with back to goal, no one to link with and no one crossing?!

I don't mind grinding out results to make sure we stay up first and foremost if I know there is a plan or some progression going on, but as others have said I simply don't know what he is going to buy to change the style and I wouldn't trust him with the money. Following us away from home at the moment is dreadful- same old sit in and defend and we will take 0-0.

You look at what Palace with the likes of Cabaye, the way Stoke have adapted, and we look seriously limited. It scares me what he will leave behind when he leaves, because it won't be long til he either walks or gets sacked.

The only good thing about today is that a point suits us this time around and Villa need 3 pointers now for them to save their season, so it's another game gone for them as they will start to run out of time from here on in.


Did we even string three passes together today? Thing  is we have to make sure we know is that if we sack him, we need a good coach in waiting and not another Irvine- who left the mess that forced us to turn to Pulis.

I just don't see a plan B to TPs tactics at the moment- I thought at Palace he showed another side to him but we aren't seeing it here.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 23, 2016, 06:49:26 PM
Over a year ive said he has to go he isnt the man for our club. He is ruining us week by week game by game.

We are a very poor side. Southampton last week and the game this week have been an embarrasment to the word football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 23, 2016, 07:30:23 PM
Quote from: albion59 on January 23, 2016, 07:28:01 PM
why as my post been removed?

And mine?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 23, 2016, 07:30:40 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 23, 2016, 06:21:23 PM
Pulis Out.

I wasnt bothered how we played today as long as we won.

Today was an embarrassment. We were made to look tin pot. We looked like the team that is bottom.

Sooner he is gone the better. No matter how much money he spends it wont be on quality it will be on workhorses and former players like wilson and crouch from stoke. Who will want to come and play for us?

He keeps saying the players look tired.
so are fans from watching 90 mins of bore fest negative pooh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on January 23, 2016, 07:30:58 PM
pulis just go will you i want my club back . :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 23, 2016, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: BB74 on January 23, 2016, 07:30:23 PM
And mine?

Haven't seen a post from you removed but if anyone has any problems please send  pm's to someone instead of filling the forum up with it.

A couple of posts have been removed which have just been abusive, can't have it both ways, we had complaints about abuse towards other coaches/ managers and players so why do people think we will allow them aimed at Pulis, Berahino or others now ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 23, 2016, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 23, 2016, 07:33:21 PM
Haven't seen a post from you removed but if anyone has any problems please send  pm's to someone instead of filling the forum up with it.

A couple of posts have been removed which have just been abusive, can't have it both ways, we had complaints about abuse towards other coaches/ managers and players so why do people think we will allow them aimed at Pulis, Berahino or others now ?

Here, here.
I don't like strongly expletives, either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on January 23, 2016, 07:42:25 PM
Mr Pulis will you please pack your bags and take you awful football with you please?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on January 23, 2016, 07:46:58 PM
Quote from: albion59 on January 23, 2016, 07:42:25 PM
Mr Pulis will you please pack your bags and take you awful football with you please?

Agreed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 23, 2016, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: albion59 on January 23, 2016, 07:42:25 PM
Mr Pulis will you please pack your bags and take you awful football with you please?



Very politely said ;D I agree too, I would rather have Irvine legend :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 23, 2016, 07:48:19 PM
How many will offer to carry his bags for him?
 ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 23, 2016, 07:49:18 PM
And take shorts with you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on January 23, 2016, 07:51:58 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on January 23, 2016, 07:48:19 PM
How many will offer to carry his bags for him?
 ;D
I will and i will drive him to his next club!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 23, 2016, 07:53:03 PM
Quote from: albion59 on January 23, 2016, 07:51:58 PM
I will and i will drive him to his next club!!


Have you got room in your car for kemp as well
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on January 23, 2016, 07:55:09 PM
Quote from: PepeMel on January 23, 2016, 07:53:03 PM

Have you got room in your car for kemp as well
i sure have!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 07:56:23 PM
I'm not supporting Tony Pulis lads but i think there's one thing we have go to realize here.

At Stoke and at Palace ( for that 1 Jan window ) he used to love signing as many players as possible in this window. He isn't doing that here, why is that? Mr Peace lays down the rules and he's sticking at them.

Funny thing is at Palace when he wanted Steven Caulker and Gylfi Sigurðsson, he then had a tantrum with the Chairman and quit.

He's been dealt a worse hand at wba but he hasn't walked.

Yes he hasn't helped himself with some of his signings granted.

I always wanted to judge Pulis when he had all of his players in his team, i honestly thought when he joined our club, it would be this window where would we see a high majority of that already happened....... but it hasn't


Having said all that above, that was unacceptable performance today, him saying it wasn't a pen, when it clearly was today

One last note. Whenever i have criticise Tony Pulis on a forum, to friends, or just too myself, he always then pulls a few results out of the bag that brings him more time. Let's see what happens in the next few games.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 08:06:20 PM
I heard the radio interview and he accepted we were poor going forward. He said several of the players were disappointed with their performances, he then went on to say the Villa squad was WORTH £87 million not that it was their net spend. The witch hunt is pointless, there won't be a change made at this club now, there won't be one at the end of the season, the next decision Peace will make regarding Pulis is convincing him to sign another contract in 2017.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on January 23, 2016, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 08:06:20 PM
I heard the radio interview and he accepted we were poor going forward. He said several of the players were disappointed with their performances, he then went on to say the Villa squad was WORTH £87 million not that it was their net spend. The witch hunt is pointless, there won't be a change made at this club now, there won't be one at the end of the season, the next decision Peace will make regarding Pulis is convincing him to sign another contract in 2017.

No witch hunt simply people with a different opinion to you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 08:09:24 PM
Quote from: Aztech on January 23, 2016, 08:08:18 PM
No witch hunt simply people with a different opinion to you.

It's not mate, it's people talking about sacking him now, or at the end of the season, it's just not going to happen, however much some fans dislike his methods.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 23, 2016, 08:23:20 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 08:06:20 PM
I heard the radio interview and he accepted we were poor going forward. He said several of the players were disappointed with their performances, he then went on to say the Villa squad was WORTH £87 million not that it was their net spend. The witch hunt is pointless, there won't be a change made at this club now, there won't be one at the end of the season, the next decision Peace will make regarding Pulis is convincing him to sign another contract in 2017.
this is just your opinion jacko,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 08:26:15 PM
I just want just too loosen the strings a touch, i don't mean go overboard but takea little gamble.

Is that too much to ask lads?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 23, 2016, 08:27:16 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 08:09:24 PM
It's not mate, it's people talking about sacking him now, or at the end of the season, it's just not going to happen, however much some fans dislike his methods.

More chance of him walking in 10 days when we haven't strengthened the squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 23, 2016, 08:27:40 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 23, 2016, 08:23:20 PM
this is just your opinion jacko,

I unfortunately agree with him, pulis is a cash cow for peace and pulis is as good as it gets for him here, limitations but a healthy 44 odd points every season to stop up.

I will stop going long before he left if that is the case though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on January 23, 2016, 08:29:53 PM
I've defended and defended pulis but I'm sorry I can't defend one man up front on his own at home against the worst side in the league. People are quick to say Rondon  is a flop but how is he supposed to do his job with very little support? It was poor poor tactics from the head coach and then to top it off he says the worst side in the league are a "good side" laughable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 08:31:19 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 23, 2016, 08:23:20 PM
this is just your opinion jacko,

It's reality fella as opposed to pie in the sky.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on January 23, 2016, 08:38:51 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on January 23, 2016, 08:29:53 PM
I've defended and defended pulis but I'm sorry I can't defend one man up front on his own at home against the worst side in the league. People are quick to say Rondon  is a flop but how is he supposed to do his job with very little support? It was poor poor tactics from the head coach and then to top it off he says the worst side in the league are a "good side" laughable.

we set up like an away side playing at home against the bottom of the league regardless of their name or where they are from . Selecting Gardner in the hole was a blatant lack of ambition more content on containing than exposing their frailties .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on January 23, 2016, 08:49:01 PM
I am not sure about that,  i think Peace will keep him till the end of the season and judge it then (which is probably the sensible thing) i think a lot depends on a cup run, if we have one then i personally think it will keep a lot of fans on side and i think Peace will stick with him.

However, If we go out the cup 4th or 5th round and then have another few months of performances like today then i think the atmosphere amongst the fans will be come poisonous by the end of the season. We may have the money for being in the premier league next season, but i think the fans attitudes along with the fact we are already derided in the media and football circles may force JP to act as we also have one eye on the long term.

We shall see!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 08:53:32 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on January 23, 2016, 08:49:01 PM
I am not sure about that,  i think Peace will keep him till the end of the season and judge it then (which is probably the sensible thing) i think a lot depends on a cup run, if we have one then i personally think it will keep a lot of fans on side and i think Peace will stick with him.

However, If we go out the cup 4th or 5th round and then have another few months of performances like today then i think the atmosphere amongst the fans will be come poisonous by the end of the season. We may have the money for being in the premier league next season, but i think the fans attitudes along with the fact we already derided in the media and football circles may force JP to act as we also have one eye on the long term.

We shall see!

Peace has no interest beyond staying in this league. Unless we dip below 1 point per game as we did under previous management he won't make a change.  He has a very thick skin and is almost indifferent to the fans opinion, otherwise he'd never have employed Irvine. Moving to the next level (regular top 8) carries the risk of a run in Europe, something Peace is dead set against. Peace will also not pay him off unless he absolutely has to. I expect him to see out his contract at the very least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 23, 2016, 08:54:15 PM
im not a pulis fan ,but today I thought he put out the best side he could,we haven't got the forwards to play 442 he now realises that,who else could he have put in the whole besides gardner,he gave gardner his chance in his favourite postion and gardner blew it big time,the final delivery by both sess and mclean was very poor in at least 5 good positions,the delivery again from 3 free kicks in excellent goal scoring positions was very poor too,he bought on berahino, and achibe and mac to win the game,the only thing he could have done was bring mac on 2o mins early,i think the players let pulis down today
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 23, 2016, 08:58:55 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 08:31:19 PM
It's reality fella as opposed to pie in the sky.
your opinion of pulis not being replaced will only become reality if your proved to be correct, time will tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on January 23, 2016, 08:59:39 PM
Quote from: Mo on January 23, 2016, 08:38:51 PM
we set up like an away side playing at home against the bottom of the league regardless of their name or where they are from . Selecting Gardner in the hole was a blatant lack of ambition more content on containing than exposing their frailties .

Exactly! No shots on target against the bottom side with the worst goal difference in the League says it all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on January 23, 2016, 09:08:19 PM
Just seen his press conference. Seems like we both watched different games.

Today, the players let down the supporters. There are players there who do not give one pooh about our club, and the manager is just doing his keep-them-in-the-league best.

I know that football is now very much "business only" but is it wrong for the fans to want entertainment?

I love our club but I'd rather drape my wet testicles over an electric fence than pay £40 a game until things change. I'm done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 23, 2016, 09:12:37 PM
You would think that after last seasons utter disgrace against the villa (TWICE) thwt they would go out and impose themselves on the game. I cant remember a passing movement thwt lasted more than 3 passes. No shots on target. Villa were walking through us like a hot knige through butter at points.

No one cares at the Albion anymore or at least there body language says so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 09:15:41 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 23, 2016, 09:12:37 PM
You would think that after last seasons utter disgrace against the villa (TWICE) thwt they would go out and impose themselves on the game. I cant remember a passing movement thwt lasted more than 3 passes. No shots on target. Villa were walking through us like a hot knife through butter at points.

No one cares at the Albion anymore or at least there body language says so.

That part isn't true, we let them play in front of us and they didn't cut us open once.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2016, 09:17:57 PM
Phase 1.
We play god awful woeful football for 6 weeks and take 8 points in 6 games with a couple of set pieces and the general consensus is it isn't pretty but its effective. Also expect to see plenty of comments that imply directly or indirectly that we couldn't possibly stay up without Pulis. Mowbrays name will also crop up in a sneery way.

Phase 2
We play 'ok' for a couple of games which is then vastly overated as a really good performance when in fact it probably shows the bare minimum attacking intent but as a group we are so shocked to see more than 2 players in the opposition half that it actually resembles a decent performance. Throw in 1 more pretty decent performance at a high tempo and commited performance but again sorely lacking on real quality. Sections cant wait to gloat about how anyone with a different opinion to them was an idiot, they knew he just needed time etc etc. This is what happens when Pulis is given time, and this will be the start of a new improved Albion (at this stage it's vital you ignore the past 3/6/9/12 months and just focus on the last 3/4 games). Poll is reset

Phase 3
We turn to absolute pooh, playing football that would make Sam Allerdyce turn his nose up in disgust at the 'tactics' (is 10 men behind the ball and hoping for a corner/mistake considered a tactic these days?) on display. General mood is one of depression and talk of relegation returns. The only positive thing Pulis brings is 'guaranteed' survival but if he cant even secure that then we may as well throw the towel in now such is the god awful experience of actually having to watch us play. In truth theres little difference from phase 1 here, apart from we dont score from a corner or the oppo make a mistake. 2 weeks later we beat a mid table side 1-0 and return to phase 1.

That's what I posted a month ago about Pulis, and why I don't really bother posting on this thread any more. The cycle will keep repeating until he is gone which unfortunately wont be for a while yet. We will probably scrape past Peterborough, lose the next league match and just when the knifes are out will grind out a 1-0.

1 shot in 3 games (against a very poor Championship club) is an embarrassment. No matter who we play he knows exactly how much their squad costs (or massively inflates it, see the Liverpool comments) but yet cant seem to provide any answers as to why he has has supposed £45m strike force alone that can't score goals. I'm p1ssed off he's taken the time to count out how much Villa have been spending on transfers. It's pathetic.

I'd love someone in the media to ask him about the £15m he's spunked on Chester, Mcmanaman, Lambert alone to sit on our bench. Why is he not questioned about how he constantly uses tiredness as an excuse but seems to take no responsibility for basically operating a 13 man squad. Our bench alone today cost £25m + a supposed £25m striker.

Away from the pitch I think the bloke is almost as embarrassing as his football. Comments like the above might hold more weight if we didn't need 180 minutes and a 95th minute equaliser to scrape past a terrible Championship club. Where was the mention of the value of both teams squad then? He complains about refs and all the decisions we don't get so I can only assume he was scathing of the decision not to award Villa a blatant penalty today which would have won them the game?

Pulis has now had 1 year and 3 transfer windows. He's signed 8 players at a cost of £30m, bringing in 1 GK, 2 DF, 3 MF and 2 CF. He inherited a squad that had been in the PL for 5 consecutive seasons and wasnt in the relegation zone. Despite being badly mismanaged both on and off the field for the best part of 2 years the squad was still good enough to stay up/out of the bottom 3 with a combination of Clarke/Mel/Irvine/Downing and some of the most inept scouting & player recruitment in the league during that period.

I've now doubt people will claim that we were definitely going down under Irvine but the truth/fact is despite Irvine being nowhere near good enough to manage in the top flight we were still good enough to be outside the bottom 3 (spending virtually no time inside it) half way through the season. The rebuilding job Pulis supposedly has is nowhere near the difficult task he/others like to make it out to be.

It p1sses me off no end that I'm about to chuck £200 on tickets to watch us next week against Everton away and United at home and theres a fair chance I wont even see us have a shot across both games. If we do put in 2 more abject performances and Pulis has the nerve to bleat on about other clubs spend/tiredness etc in the post match then I dont know when my next visit will be. Hopefully I catch us in the middle of a good phase and we can grind something out but as a fan it's extremely depressing 1 month out from a game to know our only possible positive approach is to defend for a our lives and try and nick a 1-0.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 23, 2016, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 09:15:41 PM
That part isn't true, we let them play in front of us and they didn't cut us open once.

They did though, hitting it out wide then cutting back inside on the edge of the 18yd box. If they could shoot we would have been in trouble.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 23, 2016, 09:20:08 PM
They did though, hitting it out wide then cutting back inside on the edge of the 18yd box. If they could shoot we would have been in trouble.

If they got to the edge of our box they would have still had the 4 centre halves and Foster who wasn't troubled by anything today and looked very assured, in front of them, hardly cutting through is it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 23, 2016, 09:24:05 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 09:23:17 PM
If they got to the edge of our box they would have still had the 4 centre halves and Foster who wasn't troubled by anything today and looked very assured, in front of them, hardly cutting through is it?

Damn sight more than we did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 23, 2016, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 09:15:41 PM
That part isn't true, we let them play in front of us and they didn't cut us open once.

I watched it on tv and that's not how I interpreted it all, funny how we all have different opinions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2016, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 09:15:41 PM
That part isn't true, we let them play in front of us and they didn't cut us open once.

I really hope it's not the case that we decided that our deliberate approach to a home game against one the worst sides in the least 23 years of top flight football was to'let them play in front of us'. Sadly as it's the exact same tactics we employed to such miserable affect at their place twice last season I suspect your right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on January 23, 2016, 09:38:56 PM
ah lads, come on, wise up. Dont ye realize yet that Jacko's "opinion" is alwsy right, whereas the rrst of us just think we are right.

I also think that once good old Tone helps us crawl past the 40 point mark with this drivel that he continues to believe is football, Mr Peace will evaluate where we are. He will have the downpayment from the increased deal landing on his desk within weeks, so I seriously think he will look again at how the club is being run football-wise. And yes, that is only my opinion Jacko, so theres no need to come back with cheap shots, mate.
I know you disagree lol !
Lets just wait and see, and we can requote from here, come June !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2016, 09:54:37 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on January 23, 2016, 09:38:56 PM
ah lads, come on, wise up. Dont ye realize yet that Jacko's "opinion" is alwsy right, whereas the rrst of us just think we are right.

I also think that once good old Tone helps us crawl past the 40 point mark with this drivel that he continues to believe is football, Mr Peace will evaluate where we are. He will have the downpayment from the increased deal landing on his desk within weeks, so I seriously think he will look again at how the club is being run football-wise. And yes, that is only my opinion Jacko, so theres no need to come back with cheap shots, mate.
I know you disagree lol !
Lets just wait and see, and we can requote from here, come June !

I think it will take at least another season of this before the fans really start to react, attendances drop and he is faced with a situation similar to the one Coates had at Stoke. If you re ran the poll now you would probably get 70% wanting him out but if we beat Peterborough and Swansea which is very possible/likely then 70% will want him in. As much as I hate it I cant really blame Peace either. Put together an experienced squad of PL players with an extra £30m worth of signings and a manager whose entire ambition stretches to 40 points and it's hard to see us getting relegated any time soon.

As a fan I'd wait until we had 40 points (hopefully around March) and sack Pulis the next day to give his replacement a bit of time working with the squad before the summer window. As a businessman with a multi million pound investment at stake I'd be waiting as long as I possibly could to see if Pulis approach to games and subsequent fan reaction was starting to outweigh the positives of keeping us up and make my decision then. Some wont like that approach but it's one that's bought us our most successful period for 30+ years so I find it hard to be critical of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 23, 2016, 09:55:06 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 23, 2016, 09:38:23 PM
I really hope it's not the case that we decided that our deliberate approach to a home game against one the worst sides in the least 23 years of top flight football was to'let them play in front of us'. Sadly as it's the exact same tactics we employed to such miserable affect at their place twice last season I suspect your right.
I really don't think that was the tactic today with 25mins to go we had anichibe ,berahino and mac up front,i think all the midfield and forward players today apart from yacob let pulis and us down
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 23, 2016, 10:01:41 PM
Today was no better or worse than I've come to expect.

Are we going to be shot of Pulis anytime soon? No. Could we spend another few million on trying to find a squad that TP likes or at least will use? Yes, but it won't improve the football a slightly more effective type of Pulisball is still Pulisball.

There are only two ways this ends either relegation (not as impossible as some might have us believe) if not this year next playing horrible football. Or Pulis gets the hump over transfers and quits.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:02:53 PM
Some of your moaning tonight just take 1 good luck at Aston Villa FC.

Which position would you like to be in tonight?

And don't give me all this about i would rather be in the Chumpionship playing attract footy, than being in the Prem, that's all i hear these days off some fans.

I would hate to go down now, 75% of teams don't come back up, the other 25% was probably all those times we did come right back up.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:05:56 PM
Standaman

What was the football like v Arsenal  Spurs  Newcastle?    Chelsea away?

Wasn't that bad surely all of the time?

Btw I'm not standing up for Pulis here because he frustrates the life out of me sometimes
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 23, 2016, 10:07:52 PM
Quote from: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:02:53 PM
Some of your moaning tonight just take 1 good luck at Aston Villa FC.

Which position would you like to be in tonight?

And don't give me all this about i would rather be in the Chumpionship playing attract footy, than being in the Prem, that's all i hear these days off some fans.

I would hate to go down now, 75% of teams don't come back up, the other 25% was probably all those times we did come right back up.

Here in lies the problem with the argument.

Why are the two mutually esclusive?

Cant we show a bit of attacking ambition and stay up?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on January 23, 2016, 10:08:29 PM
Quote from: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:02:53 PM
Some of your moaning tonight just take 1 good luck at Aston Villa FC.

Which position would you like to be in tonight?

And don't give me all this about i would rather be in the Chumpionship playing attract footy, than being in the Prem, that's all i hear these days off some fans.

I would hate to go down now, 75% of teams don't come back up, the other 25% was probably all those times we did come right back up.

I don't give a monkeys about Aston Villa or any other team for that matter.

I simply care about West Bromwich Albion.

I want to see a better style of football in the premier league, and see no reason why a club like ours cannot achieve that.

If you are happy with Pulis and his style of football good on you, personally I am not impressed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:14:05 PM
Mate i'm not impressed with the football. Today was probably in the top 10 worse wba game i've seen and that's saying something

I'm unimpressed with fans moaning constantly, we could be in a far worse position.

You were all probably moaning when Irvine was here and that bloke didn't have a clue at all.

We have no devine right to play amazing football and stay up though.

Next year is the biggest money ever for the Premiership, so staying in this Division is vital.

If Pulis went tomorrow who do you want in as manager, that's the best question to ask.




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on January 23, 2016, 10:17:54 PM
Quote from: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:14:05 PM
Mate i'm not impressed with the football. Today was probably in the top 10 worse wba game i've seen and that's saying something

I'm unimpressed with fans moaning constantly, we could be in a far worse position.

You were all probably moaning when Irvine was here and that bloke didn't have a clue at all.

We have no devine right to play amazing football and stay up though.

Next year is the biggest money ever for the Premiership, so staying in this Division is vital.

If Pulis went tomorrow who do you want in as manager, that's the best question to ask.

I'd be happy to provide a list, unfortunately it is deemed to be disrespectful and would be removed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:19:20 PM
Go for it Aztech can't remove a post for just adding a few managers you would like to manage your own team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 23, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:14:05 PM
Mate i'm not impressed with the football. Today was probably in the top 10 worse wba game i've seen and that's saying something

I'm unimpressed with fans moaning constantly, we could be in a far worse position.

You were all probably moaning when Irvine was here and that bloke didn't have a clue at all.

We have no devine right to play amazing football and stay up though.

Next year is the biggest money ever for the Premiership, so staying in this Division is vital.

If Pulis went tomorrow who do you want in as manager, that's the best question to ask.

we have no right stealing a living either... and we cant answer that final question, we aren't allowed to while Pulis is still manager(that is not a complaint, by the way, just saying we can't)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on January 23, 2016, 10:20:31 PM
Quote from: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:19:20 PM
Go for it Aztech can't remove a post for just adding a few managers you would like to manage your own team.

If a moderator says it's ok to do so I will.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2016, 10:21:00 PM
Quote from: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:02:53 PM
Some of your moaning tonight just take 1 good luck at Aston Villa FC.

Which position would you like to be in tonight?

And don't give me all this about i would rather be in the Chumpionship playing attract footy, than being in the Prem, that's all i hear these days off some fans.

I would hate to go down now, 75% of teams don't come back up, the other 25% was probably all those times we did come right back up.

It's a meaningless question. It's like me asking if you would rather be in Villa's position or Blackpool's. I'd assume you'd say Villa so that must mean everything is fine and they have nothing to be complaining about?

Here's one for you

Would you rather be in our position, or swap with any of Stoke, Southampton, Leicester, West Ham, Crystal Palace? Even Watford are above us and much more exciting to watch.

To answer your question yes I'd rather be in the Championship attempting to play half decent football than watch much more of this. After following us for 25 years this is the first time I've actually been embarrassed by us. We used to be rubbish but that's because we had no money and rubbish players. How we have a squad absolutely packed full of internationals and PL quality players and approach home games to struggling sides like a League 1 team drawn away at Chelsea in the 3rd round of the cup. Fortunately (despite numerous comments suggesting otherwise) I actually think far from dragging us down a change in approach would see us rise a couple of places in the table and make the whole experience far more enjoyable rather than the automatic relegation scenario thats often throw around on here.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 23, 2016, 10:24:58 PM
Norwich/Liverpool will be first on MOTD - a lot of drooling about the whole thing, and we will be last with a few shrugs, though I expect they will mention the penalty that never was.  We have another point, Norwich don't.  Next game Pboro at home, Rondon needs a rest, surely Vic can see them off!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:25:06 PM
All your comments are fine folks but simply by playing attacking football you have no devine right to stay in the league.

You have got to get the right manager and that's such a hard job.

We did that under RDM lost 13/18 games and he got the sack.

These teams doing well this season, is this a one off or will it continue?

Yep Southampton did it last season aswell, so maybe things are turning?

Instead of shutting up shop, the smaller  teams are finding out the bigger teams weaknesses and going for it.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 23, 2016, 10:25:27 PM
Quote from: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:14:05 PM
Mate i'm not impressed with the football. Today was probably in the top 10 worse wba game i've seen and that's saying something

I'm unimpressed with fans moaning constantly, we could be in a far worse position.

You were all probably moaning when Irvine was here and that bloke didn't have a clue at all.

We have no devine right to play amazing football and stay up though.

Next year is the biggest money ever for the Premiership, so staying in this Division is vital.

If Pulis went tomorrow who do you want in as manager, that's the best question to ask.
you don't need to play amazing football but at £40 a ticket a shot on target over two 90 minute prem matches isn't asking a lot is it.
if the money didn't increase next year would it make any difference to how vital it is to stay up.
 

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 23, 2016, 10:25:52 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 23, 2016, 10:07:52 PM
Here in lies the problem with the argument.

Why are the two mutually esclusive?

Cant we show a bit of attacking ambition and stay up?

There's no real answer to that. With Pulis we have a safe bet of survival because of his 'methods' if you want to put it like that.
The alternative is risking a manager who would keep the same level of results but improve the quality of football. It's not a certainty that anyone can do it - and most of the teams doing it (Palace/Stoke/Saints) etc have a much bigger budget than ourselves, or some kind of expensive base-line to work on (see Stoke).

That's not to say we couldn't get a decent manager come along and do both, but as I say - it's risky.

I do feel that for this season at least, Pulis is the correct manager. As has been stated, we were worse off before him, the confidence was shot, the club policy was in ruins and people have quickly forgotten that. If for nothing else, employing Pulis is good for creating a more hard-to-beat mentality which we definitely didn't have for the previous two seasons.

Personally I feel that Pulis was an ideal appointment after what had previously happened here, but there's no other team who we can really compare ourselves with in regards to staying up whilst playing good football. Most teams on our budget struggle regardless, which is why Pulis is the current safe-bet with Peace.

I will say this for the 1000th time however, it is pointless comparing us to the likes of Saints etc. It's simple economics, we cannot compete with a billionaire's trust fund.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 23, 2016, 10:29:45 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 23, 2016, 10:21:00 PM
It's a meaningless question. It's like me asking if you would rather be in Villa's position or Blackpool's. I'd assume you'd say Villa so that must mean everything is fine and they have nothing to be complaining about?

Here's one for you

Would you rather be in our position, or swap with any of Stoke, Southampton, Leicester, West Ham, Crystal Palace? Even Watford are above us and much more exciting to watch.

To answer your question yes I'd rather be in the Championship attempting to play half decent football than watch much more of this. After following us for 25 years this is the first time I've actually been embarrassed by us. We used to be rubbish but that's because we had no money and rubbish players. How we have a squad absolutely packed full of internationals and PL quality players and approach home games to struggling sides like a League 1 team drawn away at Chelsea in the 3rd round of the cup. Fortunately (despite numerous comments suggesting otherwise) I actually think far from dragging us down a change in approach would see us rise a couple of places in the table and make the whole experience far more enjoyable rather than the automatic relegation scenario thats often throw around on here.

All have VASTLY more wealth than us. Look at West Ham for instance. We looked at Creswell, they came in with bigger wages, he went there. They recently did it with Byram against Everton.

It's VERY unfair comparing us to those teams as they have extremely rich owners. I believe ours is the 2nd poorest in the league behind Delia Smith. We cannot compete with most teams financially, it has always been that way, even Watford and Bournemouth have a lot more cash. To be where we are is a minor miracle in itself.
I'm not saying we can't survive with good football, but the comparisons to the other teams doing it is unfair.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2016, 10:35:34 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 23, 2016, 10:25:52 PM
There's no real answer to that. With Pulis we have a safe bet of survival because of his 'methods' if you want to put it like that.
The alternative is risking a manager who would keep the same level of results but improve the quality of football. It's not a certainty that anyone can do it - and most of the teams doing it (Palace/Stoke/Saints) etc have a much bigger budget than ourselves, or some kind of expensive base-line to work on (see Stoke).

That's not to say we couldn't get a decent manager come along and do both, but as I say - it's risky.

I do feel that for this season at least, Pulis is the correct manager. As has been stated, we were worse off before him, the confidence was shot, the club policy was in ruins and people have quickly forgotten that. If for nothing else, employing Pulis is good for creating a more hard-to-beat mentality which we definitely didn't have for the previous two seasons.

Personally I feel that Pulis was an ideal appointment after what had previously happened here, but there's no other team who we can really compare ourselves with in regards to staying up whilst playing good football. Most teams on our budget struggle regardless, which is why Pulis is the current safe-bet with Peace.

I will say this for the 1000th time however, it is pointless comparing us to the likes of Saints etc. It's simple economics, we cannot compete with a billionaire's trust fund.

I cant be bothered to look at the stats so could well be completely wrong but I'm pretty sure Southamptons net spend wont be too different to ours (although I'm sure Pulis has this info stored somewhere :-)). Even taking that out of the equation theres no reason we shouldn't be competing with teams like Stoke and Palace let alone Watford.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 23, 2016, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 23, 2016, 10:29:45 PM
All have VASTLY more wealth than us. Look at West Ham for instance. We looked at Creswell, they came in with bigger wages, he went there. They recently did it with Byram against Everton.

It's VERY unfair comparing us to those teams as they have extremely rich owners. I believe ours is the 2nd poorest in the league behind Delia Smith. We cannot compete with most teams financially, it has always been that way, even Watford and Bournemouth have a lot more cash. To be where we are is a minor miracle in itself.
I'm not saying we can't survive with good football, but the comparisons to the other teams doing it is unfair.
the thing is we have spent more money than Watford and Bournemouth and many other teams in the last 12 months,but it has been wasted,[,rondon,lamberts wages,signing on fee,mac, chester]has any other albion manager of recent times wasted as much money as pulis,and can we continue to trust him in the transfer market
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2016, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 23, 2016, 10:29:45 PM
All have VASTLY more wealth than us. Look at West Ham for instance. We looked at Creswell, they came in with bigger wages, he went there. They recently did it with Byram against Everton.

It's VERY unfair comparing us to those teams as they have extremely rich owners. I believe ours is the 2nd poorest in the league behind Delia Smith. We cannot compete with most teams financially, it has always been that way, even Watford and Bournemouth have a lot more cash. To be where we are is a minor miracle in itself.
I'm not saying we can't survive with good football, but the comparisons to the other teams doing it is unfair.

They might have rich owners but that doesn't automatically mean they all spend much more. I'd be surprised if Palace or Stoke post Pulis had outlays much different to ours in the last couple of years. Watford' spend is not to different to ours and I would assume our wage bill is far far higher. It's lazy to assume just because clubs have rich owners that they are automatically throwing millions around whilst poor little Albion try and scrape by.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 23, 2016, 10:49:03 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on January 23, 2016, 10:35:34 PM
I cant be bothered to look at the stats so could well be completely wrong but I'm pretty sure Southamptons net spend wont be too different to ours (although I'm sure Pulis has this info stored somewhere :-)). Even taking that out of the equation theres no reason we shouldn't be competing with teams like Stoke and Palace let alone Watford.
these numbers are the buying and selling of Southampton and us this year. The data is from transfermarkt.com, so I have only transfer fees and no additionals such as wages or agency fees. if there is a more accurate/detailed website thenplease point it out:

Including the purchase of Austin, Southampton have a roughly £3 million net loss (£36.89m profit/£38.98m loss)

We have roughly £20 million net loss (£9.04m profit/£30.03m)

So £6 million more sent on players, but that is absorbed by there player sales, meaning overall they have spent significantly less than us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:55:18 PM
Wbargo what you stated just is so spot on mate and such common sense.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2016, 10:58:26 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on January 23, 2016, 10:49:03 PM
these numbers are the buying and selling of Southampton and us this year. The data is from transfermarkt.com, so I have only transfer fees and no additionals such as wages or agency fees. if there is a more accurate/detailed website thenplease point it out:

Including the purchase of Austin, Southampton have a roughly £3 million net loss (£36.89m profit/£38.98m loss)

We have roughly £20 million net loss (£9.04m profit/£30.03m)

So £6 million more sent on players, but that is absorbed by there player sales, meaning overall they have spent significantly less than us.

It also ignores that teams such as Bournemouth were in League 1 with League 1 players a very short time ago. Southampton did the same previously. Leicester and Palace have both come up recently where we have been buying (supposedly) PL quality players for a number of years and already have a squad capable of surviving.

A team where most of the players have 5 years PL experience, the players are on PL wages and then has £25m of talent added to it should comfortably out perform a team with Championship players on Championship wages who spends £35m for example. The Bournemouth owner might be worth far more than Peace but that doesn't mean they spend far more than us, or more importantly have a squad we cant compete with. Same goes for Watford, Palace, Stoke etc.

Leicester are top of the league right now which I admit is a bit of a freak but who do you reckon they have signed in the last 2 years who we couldn't have competed with financially? I find the lack of funds argument a hard one to take when we have a £8m defender who cant get anywhere near the team. Today we had £15m on the bench who have all been signed in the last 12 months and all been frozen out already. I dont see many of those other sides mentioned throwing £15m around so carelessly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 23, 2016, 11:03:55 PM
well, there's also the fact we are officially the 29th richest team on the planet... Money can't count for everything, even under the small budgets Ashworth had, it tended to be the cheaper players that shone, rather than the bigger money spinners.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 23, 2016, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: ripryan1971 on January 23, 2016, 10:05:56 PM
Standaman

What was the football like v Arsenal  Spurs  Newcastle?    Chelsea away?

Wasn't that bad surely all of the time?

Btw I'm not standing up for Pulis here because he frustrates the life out of me sometimes

No there have been half decent performances and when we are out classed I can even see the point behind parking the bus. However when confronted with a team that is no better than us too often we see a timid performance with little or no attacking intent. 

If we were as consistently as  bad as our worst performances like today Swansea and Southampton away we would be where Villa are.

To compare us with the likes of Leicester Watford etc... is not unreasonable yes some do have more money than us but it is not an unbridgeable gap (besides which our wage bill is roughly the 12th largest in the division) and even if were the response does not have to totally negative hoofball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 23, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 23, 2016, 10:25:27 PM
you don't need to play amazing football but at £40 a ticket a shot on target over two 90 minute prem matches isn't asking a lot is it.
if the money didn't increase next year would it make any difference to how vital it is to stay up.

Agreed, I see Pulis blamed tiredness for part of the problem.

Maybe if we didn't spend every single game on the backfoot chasing the opposition around the pitch it wouldn't be such an issue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on January 23, 2016, 11:14:13 PM
Haven't read any comments yet on this forum since the match but am aware that we hardly threatened again. It seems strange that we seem to have reverted back to the dull boring football that has depicted much of our season.

Pulis didn't strengthen the midfield during last summer which possibly wasn't a priority for him and that clearly is where the problem lies. Is that going to change during this transfer window?

In addition for reasons that only Pulis can answer, he appears to have confidence in using only two-thirds at most of the full squad which results in lack of competition on the field, players being used that are not 100% fit and fitting in players not in their best positions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on January 23, 2016, 11:14:42 PM
1 defeat in 7 games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 23, 2016, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on January 23, 2016, 11:14:42 PM
1 defeat in 7 games
3 in 7 in the league. unlike Villa, I refuse to count the cup in an undefeated run...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on January 23, 2016, 11:14:13 PM
Haven't read any comments yet on this forum since the match but am aware that we hardly threatened again. It seems strange that we seem to have reverted back to the dull boring football that has depicted much of our season.

Pulis didn't strengthen the midfield during last summer which possibly wasn't a priority for him and that clearly is where the problem lies. Is that going to change during this transfer window?

In addition for reasons that only Pulis can answer, he appears to have confidence in using only two-thirds at most of the full squad which results in lack of competition on the field, players being used that are not 100% fit and fitting in players not in their best positions.

Type of thing that can happen to a club whose fans hound out their best ever PL player...  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 24, 2016, 12:15:16 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 11:36:32 PM
Type of thing that can happen to a club whose fans hound out their best ever PL player...  ::)

Hounded him out?   Give me strength.  Don't you think Berahino has made his own bed? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 24, 2016, 12:16:01 AM
My point is, that over a sustained period of time, we cannot out-spend the likes of Bournemouth, Saints etc.

This year, we have definitely spent a lot of money, there's no denying that. However, it will mean that in the future we cannot spend, which is restricted. For instance, we are seeing this right now in January, we probably won't spend, whereas the other clubs mentioned will (West Ham, Saints, Bournemouth, even Newcastle).

So this has been a year when we've spent massive money - which will undoubtedly hold us back in future spending, but historically in the Premier League it's a bit of a one-off for us, whereas the clubs mentioned can do it several times.

I didn't say you can't get top 10 with a low budget, we proved this under Clarke. My point is, I don't think it's sustainable over a number of seasons, in other words - it was a bit of a one off because it's impossible to keep competing.

I've said all along that I think Pulis will leave because of money and not what fans believe, and I still think this. But the bigger picture than Pulis in my view is that we cannot keep "Pulling rabbits out of hats" as Hodgson said. Pulis is good for keeping us up (but admittedly his spending is wild), but when he goes it will be uncertain, that is what I originally said. It's just as likely our next manager is a Mark Hughes as it is a Steve McLaren, that is my point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on January 24, 2016, 12:19:58 AM
If we stay up we should say thanks Tony but we can't watch this rubbish week in week out, and he's leaving our best youngsters depart Club. I'm calling him Mr delusional from now on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 24, 2016, 12:55:33 AM
I know these non-performances are frustrating but it's only 3 or 4 weeks since pretty decent displays against Spurs and Stoke. It needn't always be depression and frustration under Pulis.
The dependence on the same players week after week is a problem when it becomes two games a week as recently. Hopefully one or two of the squad fillers will move on this week allowing 1 or 2 to be brought in....think we could do with that fresh impetus at this point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on January 24, 2016, 01:06:58 AM
Quote from: Adder on January 24, 2016, 12:55:33 AM
I know these non-performances are frustrating but it's only 3 or 4 weeks since pretty decent displays against Spurs and Stoke. It needn't always be depression and frustration under Pulis.
The dependence on the same players week after week is a problem when it becomes two games a week as recently. Hopefully one or two of the squad fillers will move on this week allowing 1 or 2 to be brought in....think we could do with that fresh impetus at this point.
Mr Peace please do not give this clown anymore money as we will end up with eleven center halves whom he will play week in week out irrespective of performance or result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 24, 2016, 02:45:47 AM
I've generally supported the Pulis appointment as being a necessary evil to stabilise the club. Performances like that really tests anyone's patience - there have been a few this season.

I've been watching Pulis interviews recently and it seems he is basically saying we're a little club who spends very little so should be content with our lot.

This doesn't say to me he's a manager who has the ideas to move us on - that is other than him waiting for us to be taken over by someone who would let him spend 100m on a team of centre backs.

Let him finish this season and get someone braver and with some fresh ideas, vision even!

Our plucky little cheap club has done ok before Tony or didn't you hear?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 24, 2016, 03:04:28 AM
Quote from: darbolina on January 24, 2016, 02:45:47 AM
I've generally supported the Pulis appointment as being a necessary evil to stabilise the club. Performances like that really tests anyone's patience - there have been a few this season.

I've been watching Pulis interviews recently and it seems he is basically saying we're a little club who spends very little so should be content with our lot.

This doesn't say to me he's a manager who has the ideas to move us on - that is other than him waiting for us to be taken over by someone who would let him spend 100m on a team of centre backs.

Let him finish this season and get someone braver and with some fresh ideas, vision even!

Our plucky little cheap club has done ok before Tony or didn't you hear?

Interesting interpretation you got there I definitely understand it I personally think he uses it as a tactic to get more money out of the chairman.

Think this could be an interesting one if nothing changes over the next week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 24, 2016, 05:58:57 AM
I think it's he's fear we will lose the ball at the back if we try to pass it around hence the route one pump it up the field style of play he even said as much in the mail a little while ago.

Same tactics against Boro and bad result in the cup and I think peace should be considering a better option come the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on January 24, 2016, 07:09:22 AM
I think the end of the season is the time to review it, however should we lose to a league one club in the FA Cup, that may be reviewed.

The likelihood is we will stay up which everything else aside is what Pulis's aim would of been, be in the league for the big money so job done.

However going forward, is that enough. Yes we get the TV money next year but also it opens up a whole new world for sponsorship and business and thats where i think JP will make his mind up on.

Pulis carries a reputation, even now three years after leaving Stoke, its still said they are trying to shake that off, i think its acknowledged he built a strong core but as a football team, well it wasnt football. People say they dont care what the media and football world think, sadly its now a big part, gone are the days of the Millwalls nobody likes us and we dont care, Dirty Leeds, Wimbledons bullies, we are part of a 'global' brand and people say they dont care, well if our aim is to stay in the league we have to accept the stuff that comes with it, the premier league is big news.

At certain games i dont think Pulis has had the praise he deserves, we played well against Spurs and Chelsea for example yet it was deemed as plucky and gritty, but thats what you get because of his reputation. Games like yesterday (and a few others this season) means it then justifies his reputation, which is then our reputation. I got back into the car yesterday after the game and Bomber was doing his summary and he said we have too many games like yesterday and he is right.

Next season we run the risk of the being the big fat kid at the school disco, everybody knows he is there but nobody really wants to be seen with him, thats what we are becoming.

Signings wise, if you were a south american player and asked Rondon about signing for us, i wonder what he would say? (Yacob is different as he has been here years) Rondon joined with a decent reputation and its going downhill, his first experience of english football is to chase lost causes most the game.

Rondon, Chester, Mcmanaman, Gnabry, Gamboa (i know Pulis didnt sign him but he never plays him either) all joined with decent reputations and the potential to be better, now they may not fulfill that potential because of their own doing but you would think one in five may of been a success? If you were a young decent player anywhere in the world, you would not come to the Albion to better yourself playing wise and thats a sad thing. Evans and Fletcher have been good signings no doubt and they fit into the Pulis mould, if he does leave whoever comes in definitely has a core to work from and thats credit to him.

However the fact he only uses 50-60% of his workforce available to him i would imagine is why JP is in no rush to get the chequebook out, FFP or not, i am sure if the right players were available we could do deals but unless it was a loan, i wouldnt buy another player, we have 5 or 6 players on the wage bill who never play, a lot of whom signed by Pulis but instead we bleed the same players dry even if out of form or not fit. Is Poco really that bad that Pulis will play Evans his best player out of position (regularly) to accomodate a half fit Olsson? Is Mcmanaman that unreliable he would rather pick players out of position instead? Now all managers do weird things but he seems to do more than most, to me he holds grudges and it spites himself and the team.

Despite all the above, I dont think this season is a write off yet, hopefully Pulis will have reflect and realise when we play higher up the pitch and when we show positive intent, we arent a bad side, if we had drew 0-0 yesterday and had a go then i think fans would accept it, but the fact remains we play quite a lot of games without having a shot at goal and attempting to win the game and its not good enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 24, 2016, 08:11:10 AM
I was Albion long before his tenure
I will be Albion throughout his tenure
Most importantly I will still be Albion through and through long after he has gone
Unfortunately while he is here my love for the Albion is going to be continually and severely tested!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 24, 2016, 08:25:29 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on January 24, 2016, 07:09:22 AM
I think the end of the season is the time to review it, however should we lose to a league one club in the FA Cup, that may be reviewed.

The likelihood is we will stay up which everything else aside is what Pulis's aim would of been, be in the league for the big money so job done.

However going forward, is that enough. Yes we get the TV money next year but also it opens up a whole new world for sponsorship and business and thats where i think JP will make his mind up on.

Pulis carries a reputation, even now three years after leaving Stoke, its still said they are trying to shake that off, i think its acknowledged he built a strong core but as a football team, well it wasnt football. People say they dont care what the media and football world think, sadly its now a big part, gone are the days of the Millwalls nobody likes us and we dont care, Dirty Leeds, Wimbledons bullies, we are part of a 'global' brand and people say they dont care, well if our aim is to stay in the league we have to accept the stuff that comes with it, the premier league is big news.

At certain games i dont think Pulis has had the praise he deserves, we played well against Spurs and Chelsea for example yet it was deemed as plucky and gritty, but thats what you get because of his reputation. Games like yesterday (and a few others this season) means it then justifies his reputation, which is then our reputation. I got back into the car yesterday after the game and Bomber was doing his summary and he said we have too many games like yesterday and he is right.

Next season we run the risk of the being the big fat kid at the school disco, everybody knows he is there but nobody really wants to be seen with him, thats what we are becoming.

Signings wise, if you were a south american player and asked Rondon about signing for us, i wonder what he would say? (Yacob is different as he has been here years) Rondon joined with a decent reputation and its going downhill, his first experience of english football is to chase lost causes most the game.

Rondon, Chester, Mcmanaman, Gnabry, Gamboa (i know Pulis didnt sign him but he never plays him either) all joined with decent reputations and the potential to be better, now they may not fulfill that potential because of their own doing but you would think one in five may of been a success? If you were a young decent player anywhere in the world, you would not come to the Albion to better yourself playing wise and thats a sad thing. Evans and Fletcher have been good signings no doubt and they fit into the Pulis mould, if he does leave whoever comes in definitely has a core to work from and thats credit to him.

However the fact he only uses 50-60% of his workforce available to him i would imagine is why JP is in no rush to get the chequebook out, FFP or not, i am sure if the right players were available we could do deals but unless it was a loan, i wouldnt buy another player, we have 5 or 6 players on the wage bill who never play, a lot of whom signed by Pulis but instead we bleed the same players dry even if out of form or not fit. Is Poco really that bad that Pulis will play Evans his best player out of position (regularly) to accomodate a half fit Olsson? Is Mcmanaman that unreliable he would rather pick players out of position instead? Now all managers do weird things but he seems to do more than most, to me he holds grudges and it spites himself and the team.

Despite all the above, I dont think this season is a write off yet, hopefully Pulis will have reflect and realise when we play higher up the pitch and when we show positive intent, we arent a bad side, if we had drew 0-0 yesterday and had a go then i think fans would accept it, but the fact remains we play quite a lot of games without having a shot at goal and attempting to win the game and its not good enough.

Top post that.

I was thinking this morning that if we was to lose next week and play like yesterday he's position should be in serious jeopardy come end of the season, I know it won't but I think it should be especially if we finish run of the mill 15th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jharman292 on January 24, 2016, 08:39:25 AM
Win, lose or draw. Premier League safety or not, i do not want Tony Pulis as our manager. I may be criticised for that but it generally saddens and embarrasses me to see the team that we have become.

I think we will have the occasional good spell under Pulis but ultimately it will always revert back to this because the man has no bottle what so ever and much prefers to operate in his comfort zone which unfortunately is 11 players defending.

How can any self-respecting coach so happily give up the majority of possession at home to bottom of the league? It is appalling. As far a tiredness goes, you rest when you have the ball, any coach will tell you that but we never have it and as a result spend most of the game running around chasing. Again it was clear to me yesterday that Fletcher and Olsson were not fit but once again he refuses to take risks and play anyone other than his favoured 11/12 players. There is a reason you have a squad, you need to rotate, especially around the winter period. Then to go on and talk about the value of Villa's squad, they are in one of the worst positions in Premier League history, another excuse to cover over the cracks that are starting to appear.

Coaching aside, i used to like him as a bloke, i now think he is full of garbage and shows disrespect to the fans that pay money week in and week out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 24, 2016, 09:02:08 AM

I have said from day one that I like him as a bloke but not his football, however I feel the need to defend him today, we are as good as safe and in to big money next season which was always the aim
Villa, Swansea,Newcastle, Sunderland would all swap with us and, after all he has dealt with he ain't done too bad (couple of transfers aside) but sir Alex signed many a pig?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 24, 2016, 09:21:05 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on January 23, 2016, 09:38:56 PM
ah lads, come on, wise up. Dont ye realize yet that Jacko's "opinion" is alwsy right, whereas the rrst of us just think we are right.

I also think that once good old Tone helps us crawl past the 40 point mark with this drivel that he continues to believe is football, Mr Peace will evaluate where we are. He will have the downpayment from the increased deal landing on his desk within weeks, so I seriously think he will look again at how the club is being run football-wise. And yes, that is only my opinion Jacko, so theres no need to come back with cheap shots, mate.
I know you disagree lol !
Lets just wait and see, and we can requote from here, come June !

I also think that Jacko's interpretation of yesterdays game was right. We did allow Villa to play in front of us. In fact Villa's defense did the same, the only difference was they broke quicker than we did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 24, 2016, 09:28:33 AM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on January 24, 2016, 09:02:08 AM
I have said from day one that I like him as a bloke but not his football, however I feel the need to defend him today, we are as good as safe and in to big money next season which was always the aim
Villa, Swansea,Newcastle, Sunderland would all swap with us and, after all he has dealt with he ain't done too bad (couple of transfers aside) but sir Alex signed many a pig?
Fair post , we knew he was bought in to save us last season and keep us in the big money this year. Despite Yesterdays awful performance Pulis has done pretty well overall to be near 30 points before the end of January and there have been good performances too.
My axe to grind with him is transfers , Chester was never a decent CB in my eyes let alone RB (and  JC knew he would be playing there) , Lambert i think most were pleased with yet looks past it, Gnabry well even despite their injuries Arsenal don't want him back ....
All this plus the dead wood kicking about like Anichebe on decent money has now got us in a right tangle, Pulis rightly builds from the back i understand that but we seriously need a number 10 and a right winger and for that reason id be offering Saido around to clubs at a fair price.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on January 24, 2016, 09:32:44 AM
I actually thought the villa coach did a number on Pulis and our team yesterday . They recognised that if you simply pressure our players they will continually give the ball away and that's what happened . They were quicker and sharper to everything . Over the 90 minutes they were fitter too. I am surprised other teams don't pressure us the way villa did yesterday as we are very flimsy in such situations .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggy nerd on January 24, 2016, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on January 24, 2016, 09:02:08 AM
I have said from day one that I like him as a bloke but not his football, however I feel the need to defend him today, we are as good as safe and in to big money next season which was always the aim
Villa, Swansea,Newcastle, Sunderland would all swap with us and, after all he has dealt with he ain't done too bad (couple of transfers aside) but sir Alex signed many a pig?

'We are as good as safe'. I can't see this at all. With only Villa looking really poor this season, I think the total needed will be quite high. I think we can scrape enough points but don't feel we are as good as safe at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 24, 2016, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: Mo on January 24, 2016, 09:32:44 AM
I actually thought the villa coach did a number on Pulis and our team yesterday . They recognised that if you simply pressure our players they will continually give the ball away and that's what happened . They were quicker and sharper to everything . Over the 90 minutes they were fitter too. I am surprised other teams don't pressure us the way villa did yesterday as we are very flimsy in such situations .
In recent months Fletcher and Morrison have kept hold of the ball and picked passes in the situations you describe , Morrison is a bigger loss than many realise .
I thought Albion looked leggy again late but in fairness id be the first to moan had we stuck a weak side out at Bristol and been knocked out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PHILDEENEY on January 24, 2016, 09:41:17 AM
Has anyone noticed the way the team plays depends on what sort of position fletcher wants to play? When he is trying to cover yacob's job the whole team has a lack of creativity, however when he plays a more attacking role there seems to be a good attacking edge. He isn't half as good as yacob at doing that defensive midfield job and you find that they are both falling over each over when they are both in that defensive position. Anyone else think the same?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 24, 2016, 09:47:35 AM
Quote from: PHILDEENEY on January 24, 2016, 09:41:17 AM
Has anyone noticed the way the team plays depends on what sort of position fletcher wants to play? When he is trying to cover yacob's job the whole team has a lack of creativity, however when he plays a more attacking role there seems to be a good attacking edge. He isn't half as good as yacob at doing that defensive midfield job and you find that they are both falling over each over when they are both in that defensive position. Anyone else think the same?
Yes , without a doubt a fully fit Fletcher drives us forward and the last few months he generally starts our attacking moves . Never fully fit yesterday so sat deeper rather than supporting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 24, 2016, 10:19:51 AM
Fletcher is another Pulis mistake. It is not that Fletcher is a bad player but in a squad with more than it's fair share of players in there 30's we didn't need experience equally Fletcher hasn't got the legs to be the box to box player we need if anything he needs to drop back into the Yacob role where he would probably more effective because he has a better range of passes. Unfortunately we are playing both and that is very much part of our problem
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 24, 2016, 10:47:02 AM
Fletcher has been the best player so how can you say he was a mistake? If it wasn't against Villa yesterday you wouldn't be so doom and gloom about getting the 3 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2016, 10:50:18 AM
Quote from: Standaman on January 24, 2016, 10:19:51 AM
Fletcher is another Pulis mistake. It is not that Fletcher is a bad player but in a squad with more than it's fair share of players in there 30's we didn't need experience equally Fletcher hasn't got the legs to be the box to box player we need if anything he needs to drop back into the Yacob role where he would probably more effective because he has a better range of passes. Unfortunately we are playing both and that is very much part of our problem

We needed a leader and we now have two with Fletcher and Evans, how that signing is a mistake baffles me.

He along with the other 13 used yesterday were poor throughout for whatever reason people want to make for that, they were poor.

Fletcher has been an excellent signing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 24, 2016, 10:51:05 AM
Fletcher was obviously not fully fit yesterday, which is why I think he sat back.  Yacob seemed to go forward a bit more than him overall.  Pulis must give Fletcher and Rondon a proper rest, they have to be up for Swansea and Newcastle with 4 days inbetween, they are two more mustn't loses.  There's no way we are safe yet, look at the teams below us, they are all winning games and spending money, it will almost certainly be a fairly high points total for 17th this year.  Assuming we grind out half a dozen draws like yesterday, we still need 2 wins minimum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 24, 2016, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: Standaman on January 24, 2016, 10:19:51 AM
Fletcher is another Pulis mistake. It is not that Fletcher is a bad player but in a squad with more than it's fair share of players in there 30's we didn't need experience equally Fletcher hasn't got the legs to be the box to box player we need if anything he needs to drop back into the Yacob role where he would probably more effective because he has a better range of passes. Unfortunately we are playing both and that is very much part of our problem
Early season id agree although he was a big factor in us staying up last season , last few months he has got further forward and is prompting moves. Its not Fletchers fault several attacking players look jaded /injured or garbage as in Sess's case Yesterday.
Overall Fletcher has been key signing, nor another stick to beat Pulis with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 24, 2016, 10:55:02 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2016, 10:50:18 AM
We needed a leader and we now have two with Fletcher and Evans, how that signing is a mistake baffles me.

He along with the other 13 used yesterday were poor throughout for whatever reason people want to make for that, they were poor.

Fletcher has been an excellent signing.

Couldn't agree more TBH. Fletcher is always in the ref's face and is talking to the team, and for me Evans is in another league. His class is obvious and I am very pleased we have got him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2016, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2016, 10:50:18 AM
We needed a leader and we now have two with Fletcher and Evans, how that signing is a mistake baffles me.

He along with the other 13 used yesterday were poor throughout for whatever reason people want to make for that, they were poor.

Fletcher has been an excellent signing.
Fletcher is an excellent signing.

Playing him as a second deep lying midfielder alongside Yacob is a mistake. It was only a couple of weeks ago he was saying how much better it was playing further up the pitch on the front foot (and the performances,  not just the results, reflected this)





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2016, 10:59:18 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2016, 10:56:45 AM
Fletcher is an excellent signing.

Playing him as a second deep lying midfielder alongside Yacob is a mistake. It was only a couple of weeks ago he was saying how much better it was playing further up the pitch on the front foot (and the performances,  not just the results, reflected this)

I never commented about where he played, I commented about the signing and the comment it being a pulis mistake.

This topic is Pulis which is what we would prefer people stuck to, there is one for Fletcher and others elsewhere.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2016, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2016, 10:59:18 AM
I never commented about where he played, I commented about the signing and the comment it being a pulis mistake.

This topic is Pulis which is what we would prefer people stuck to, there is one for Fletcher and others elsewhere.

Surely a comment about how an excellent signing is utilised is more a comment about his coach than the one you made  :o

Fletcher is an excellent signing who PULIS plays in the wrong position. Happy  :-*

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2016, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2016, 11:04:38 AM
Surely a comment about how an excellent signing is utilised is more a comment about his coach than the one you made  :o

Fletcher is an excellent signing who PULIS plays in the wrong position. Happy  :-*

 :-*

Perfectly thank you. I don't get over-excited when we win games and I don't go into meltdown mood when we lose.

Don't you think its an amazing turnaround, under the previous bloke you were pointing out all the inaccuracies and possible libelous comments about him and now there's so many possible libelous/ slanderous comments about the current bloke that we could do with you doing it again as we're struggling to get on line at times.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 24, 2016, 11:22:15 AM
Football is a joke we had a chance to give te villa a good hiding and he picks that side.
1/6 games of remotely entertaining football isn't enough.

I worry that he won't renew morrisons and sessengons contract when they run out summer... That would put us in even more trouble.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on January 24, 2016, 11:51:46 AM
i wonder how many fans will not get season tickets again next year to watch that rubbish week in week out ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 24, 2016, 12:04:05 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on January 24, 2016, 11:51:46 AM
i wonder how many fans will not get season tickets again next year to watch that rubbish week in week out ?

How many is it this season 19,000?

If so, if about 20-30% of people dont renew. So call it about 15,000 do renew, then JP will no doubt have a word.

The sad case is. Even if none of us went, money wise, it's still more worthwhile being in the Prem and playing this ugly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2016, 12:07:15 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2016, 11:14:24 AM
:-*

Perfectly thank you. I don't get over-excited when we win games and I don't go into meltdown mood when we lose.

Don't you think its an amazing turnaround, under the previous bloke you were pointing out all the inaccuracies and possible libelous comments about him and now there's so many possible libelous/ slanderous comments about the current bloke that we could do with you doing it again as we're struggling to get on line at times.  ;)
Don't worry,  if I see either I'll let you know.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 24, 2016, 12:11:24 PM
In the previous home games we had 17 shots against Stoke and 21 shots against Newcastle. Also our home game against a good Spurs team where we played well and had more shots then them. It's not been all bad and while yesterday's performance was awful you have to look at the bigger picture of what Pulis has achieved here and how we could have easily been in Villa's position. We've made too many poor signings since Ashworth and Hodgson left the club, Pulis has made his fair share of poor signings (like every manager in football does) but I feel he'll want to bring better quality to our team in the Summer and that's when we'll be in a better position to judge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2016, 12:14:55 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2016, 12:07:15 PM
Don't worry,  if I see either I'll let you know.

Yeah right, you must be glossing over the posts  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 24, 2016, 12:22:34 PM
Jesus Christ talk about a witch hunt. Fact is, we have our 2nd highest top flight points return in 10 years after the same amount of games. Anyone thinking that Peace is going to get rid of Pulis because some supporters don't like the way his teams play, is literally on drugs. Pulis will be here until he decides otherwise or until results stop coming. Peace only cares about the success of WBA and the finances generated. In my opinion, rightfully so to. Yes, we were awful against Villa but anybody out there who would seriously swap places with them? No, thought not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 24, 2016, 12:33:27 PM
Ultimately, Pulis made a judgement call presumably due to injuries/knackered players: set up not to concede, and if we get one, fine.  He did make the attacking substitutions later, but Anichebe decided to have a falling over whining day, Berahino wasn't up for it, and MacM hardly saw the ball.  And I have to say there is a certain grim satisfaction in watching Yacob do his duracell bunny act, but I was watching online, I didn't pay good money for it!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 24, 2016, 01:21:05 PM
I mentioned this in the post-match thread just, but at least we didn't lose, as there really would be even more venom for Pulis if that was the case.

Looking back to last year, the Villa matches escaped us, the players got caught in the emotion of it, we got stretched and punished, the games were typical derby games; we gave away a late penalty, Yacob got sent off etc.

Yesterday, Pulis and his football style sucked the life out of everything, including both sets of fans. But it also neutralised the game. It certaintly wasn't pretty and as I said I hope we have a go against Swansea in comparison. However, it also stops the Villa from getting 3 valuable points and lots of confidence to boot.

Last year was dreadful and we helped improve their mentality, whereas yesterday it was boring but they won't have gained anything from it.
Similarly last year, in another emotive game we did the same against Leicester, who went on a rampage as a result.

In short, when you look at this seasons more 'exciting games' for us, I.e. Stoke, Everton, Leicester - we've lost and won them. However, yesterday we didn't attack unlike in those games; we sat back which meant it was very ugly but at least the Villa didn't win.

If we can go on a bit of a cup run, stay up fairly comfortably and the Villa go down, I think a lot of fans will look back and think the result was ok. However, as I'll repeat, the performance was dire and obviously it could be better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on January 24, 2016, 01:29:41 PM
Why the obsession with Villa,I would rather we was a better team and more watchable,than Villa's plight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 24, 2016, 01:41:24 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 24, 2016, 01:21:05 PM
I mentioned this in the post-match thread just, but at least we didn't lose, as there really would be even more venom for Pulis if that was the case.

Looking back to last year, the Villa matches escaped us, the players got caught in the emotion of it, we got stretched and punished, the games were typical derby games; we gave away a late penalty, Yacob got sent off etc.

Yesterday, Pulis and his football style sucked the life out of everything, including both sets of fans. But it also neutralised the game. It certaintly wasn't pretty and as I said I hope we have a go against Swansea in comparison. However, it also stops the Villa from getting 3 valuable points and lots of confidence to boot.

Last year was dreadful and we helped improve their mentality, whereas yesterday it was boring but they won't have gained anything from it.
Similarly last year, in another emotive game we did the same against Leicester, who went on a rampage as a result.

In short, when you look at this seasons more 'exciting games' for us, I.e. Stoke, Everton, Leicester - we've lost and won them. However, yesterday we didn't attack unlike in those games; we sat back which meant it was very ugly but at least the Villa didn't win.

If we can go on a bit of a cup run, stay up fairly comfortably and the Villa go down, I think a lot of fans will look back and think the result was ok. However, as I'll repeat, the performance was dire and obviously it could be better.

Personally I am wondering if Pulis meant to have the game played as it was yesterday. All I saw were two desperately poor teams unable to control the ball or string a series of passes together. When Vic and SB came on I thought he showed attacking intent. Instead we just went backwards. Sess was poor, McLean was not much better and it was a very dour performance. I cannot believe that TP set the team up to do that to be honest.

I agree with your post though. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 24, 2016, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 24, 2016, 01:21:05 PM
I mentioned this in the post-match thread just, but at least we didn't lose, as there really would be even more venom for Pulis if that was the case.

Looking back to last year, the Villa matches escaped us, the players got caught in the emotion of it, we got stretched and punished, the games were typical derby games; we gave away a late penalty, Yacob got sent off etc.

Yesterday, Pulis and his football style sucked the life out of everything, including both sets of fans. But it also neutralised the game. It certaintly wasn't pretty and as I said I hope we have a go against Swansea in comparison. However, it also stops the Villa from getting 3 valuable points and lots of confidence to boot.

Last year was dreadful and we helped improve their mentality, whereas yesterday it was boring but they won't have gained anything from it.
Similarly last year, in another emotive game we did the same against Leicester, who went on a rampage as a result.

In short, when you look at this seasons more 'exciting games' for us, I.e. Stoke, Everton, Leicester - we've lost and won them. However, yesterday we didn't attack unlike in those games; we sat back which meant it was very ugly but at least the Villa didn't win.

If we can go on a bit of a cup run, stay up fairly comfortably and the Villa go down, I think a lot of fans will look back and think the result was ok. However, as I'll repeat, the performance was dire and obviously it could be better.
I think most fans would accept a point from yesterday's game but the manner in how we achieved it is the problem, we are supposedly playing in one of the top leagues in the world and would expect to see a quality of football that justifies us being there. to see players constantly hacking the ball skywards at every opportunity is not acceptable. its the club we love but if it was just a game of football you wanted to watch you could in all honesty see a game 2 leagues lower and see just as much quality that was seen from albion yesterday, and save about £20. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on January 24, 2016, 02:07:15 PM
I hate pulis. I'm never going to another game while he is in charge. Peace won't sack him and he doesn't care what we think so long as we stay up and keep getting the premiership cash until someone buys us and he slopes off into the sunset a wealthy man.
Pulis is living on the never relegated tag and we will maybe be his last job so he will continue to plan for the short term to keep his record intact.
If you look at the transfer rumours only one of our players is wanted and he can't get in our team!!!!
I'd happily accept relegation to get rid of him and replace him with someone like Gary monk and I can start going to games again looking forward to being entertained.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 24, 2016, 02:09:29 PM
Why Gary Monk?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on January 24, 2016, 02:11:11 PM
It's not what everyone wants though, not everyone wants him to get the sack. The players like him as well so he certainly won't get the sack.

We need to give him to the end of next summer and see how the squad is then.

Judge this time next season, he's done the job twice in 2 seasons now which is job done for the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2016, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on January 24, 2016, 02:11:11 PM
It's not what everyone wants though, not everyone wants him to get the sack. The players like him as well so he certainly won't get the sack.

We need to give him to the end of next summer and see how the squad is then.

Judge this time next season, he's done the job twice in 2 seasons now which is job done for the club.

erm, we are far from over the line this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on January 24, 2016, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 24, 2016, 02:09:29 PM
Why Gary Monk?
I used him as an example. Someone who likes to play decent football but also understands the defensive side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on January 24, 2016, 02:15:11 PM
Gary Monk the same one that lost the faith of the players and was SACKED.

No thank you. We'd be relegation fodder with him like Swansea was.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2016, 02:23:41 PM
Quote from: graka on January 24, 2016, 02:07:15 PM
I hate pulis. I'm never going to another game while he is in charge. Peace won't sack him and he doesn't care what we think so long as we stay up and keep getting the premiership cash until someone buys us and he slopes off into the sunset a wealthy man.
Pulis is living on the never relegated tag and we will maybe be his last job so he will continue to plan for the short term to keep his record intact.
If you look at the transfer rumours only one of our players is wanted and he can't get in our team!!!!
I'd happily accept relegation to get rid of him and replace him with someone like Gary monk and I can start going to games again looking forward to being entertained.

Which shows how poor the recruitment has been at this club for too long and having those players still here makes it harder to make the changes that are needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 24, 2016, 02:28:24 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 24, 2016, 02:12:29 PM
erm, we are far from over the line this season.

I agree - nowhere near safe. Looking at the teams currently below us and how much they are spending to strengthen, they are all likely to pick up quite a few points.  Bills are gone and I think Sunderland will go with them, but 18th place may well need around 42 points this year.

I was relieved when Norwich lost yesterday and am worried that Swansea are winning at halftime at Everton.   We are nowhere near safe yet, despite our decent 28 points at this stage, and if we play like yesterday again then it's hard to see where the goals to get us to 38 points will come from, let alone 42.

The next 3-4 games are massive, and we aren't going into them with either a fit squad or any degree of confidence.

The squad MUST be strengthened this week.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 24, 2016, 02:47:42 PM
with all the sky & BT game changes coming next season and if Pulis is still in charge i most likely wont renew.It will hurt but thats just tuff
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 24, 2016, 03:02:25 PM
At least we are not having our normal new year dip. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 24, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
for me and its only my opinion so dont shoot me down. we will finish either 17th or go down
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 24, 2016, 03:10:26 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 24, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
for me and its only my opinion so dont shoot me down. we will finish either 17th or go down

You can get 12/1 at the moment. £30 and that's the Championship season ticket paid for (no doubt without Pulis!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on January 24, 2016, 03:15:26 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 24, 2016, 02:47:42 PM
with all the sky & BT game changes coming next season and if Pulis is still in charge i most likely wont renew.It will hurt but thats just tuff

I took that decision at end of last season - still get tempted sometimes and mostly regret it. Yesterday would have been more fun standing outside the pub and burning 8 fivers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 24, 2016, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 24, 2016, 01:55:27 PM
I think most fans would accept a point from yesterday's game but the manner in how we achieved it is the problem, we are supposedly playing in one of the top leagues in the world and would expect to see a quality of football that justifies us being there. to see players constantly hacking the ball skywards at every opportunity is not acceptable. its the club we love but if it was just a game of football you wanted to watch you could in all honesty see a game 2 leagues lower and see just as much quality that was seen from albion yesterday, and save about £20.

You say that, but the most used passing combination was Olsson to Evans. Olsson also had the most touches which tells us the midfield was too congested to play through it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 24, 2016, 03:31:15 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 24, 2016, 03:29:20 PM
You say that, but the most used passing combination was Olsson to Evans. Olsson also had the most touches which tells us the midfield was too congested to play through it.


That all comes under management my friend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 24, 2016, 03:35:37 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on January 24, 2016, 03:31:15 PM

That all comes under management my friend.

Indeed. If the midfield is congested you bypass it  ;)

Villa flooded the midfield and were happy to leave 1 up front. Having Gardner instead of Morrison made a big difference with that final pass. But the biggest problem would be Sessegnon creating nothing on the right. McClean and Richards cancelled eachother out on the other flank which can happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 24, 2016, 04:10:01 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 24, 2016, 03:35:37 PM
Indeed. If the midfield is congested you bypass it  ;)

Villa flooded the midfield and were happy to leave 1 up front. Having Gardner instead of Morrison made a big difference with that final pass. But the biggest problem would be Sessegnon creating nothing on the right. McClean and Richards cancelled eachother out on the other flank which can happen.
this isn't a joke, in 1977 I watched the harlem globetrotters at Wembley. they kept the ball more on the floor than the albion yesterday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 24, 2016, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2016, 02:23:41 PM
Which shows how poor the recruitment has been at this club for too long and having those players still here makes it harder to make the changes that are needed.
And Pulis has carried on this tradition of poor recruitment, 9 players signed and only 3 can be deemed a success, it's easy to simply blame past regimes, Pulis has recruited almost half of our squad - he is as culpable as anyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 24, 2016, 04:37:18 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 24, 2016, 02:47:42 PM
with all the sky & BT game changes coming next season and if Pulis is still in charge i most likely wont renew.It will hurt but thats just tuff
You've not been renewing for the last 4 years! :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2016, 04:38:28 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 24, 2016, 04:35:54 PM
And Pulis has carried on this tradition of poor recruitment, 9 players signed and only 3 can be deemed a success, it's easy to simply blame past regimes, Pulis has recruited almost half of our squad - he is as culpable as anyone.

Where did I absolve him of any blame for this current squad ?

I replied to a comment about why only one player is being courted by other clubs

Past regimes have a lot to answer for at this club. If they had been a success then Pulis would never have been anywhere near this club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 24, 2016, 04:39:55 PM
I want Pulis out immediately now. No Pulis doesn't = relegation. An incorrect appointment could. Pulis out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on January 24, 2016, 04:51:22 PM
It is so depressing to think we have to watch this type of football for even another game. There are managers available. What about going for Brendan Rodgers or Derek McInnes, Michael Appleton - all three play attractive football. Please Mr Peace do not let this go on much longer....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on January 24, 2016, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 24, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
for me and its only my opinion so dont shoot me down. we will finish either 17th or go down
I  would agree with your opinion ....at least you can discern opinion from fact unlike some .  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on January 24, 2016, 05:25:42 PM
With Albion now 29 on the world money list for football clubs last season and likely to jump up and make a serious play for a top 20 team if they stay up in the Prem for next season, Pulis is not going anywhere. If we are up next year I see us being sold.

It is depressing to see us getting bossed by a team like Villa who really are terrible, but then again the club is hell bent on staying in the Prem. There can be serious logic to it  long term if the club can stay up a couple of seasons and was then to really invest in a decent team, but that isn't likely the plan.

We can't change from Pulis right at the moment and not the least because I don't think if you brought in another manager to run this team they would collect enough points, whereas the odds are in Pulis favour that he will.

If Peace sells at the end of the season, I suspect Pulis will also leave
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on January 24, 2016, 05:27:05 PM
Quote from: RogerBadoo on January 24, 2016, 04:51:22 PM
It is so depressing to think we have to watch this type of football for even another game. There are managers available. What about going for Brendan Rodgers or Derek McInnes, Michael Appleton - all three play attractive football. Please Mr Peace do not let this go on much longer....

Never thought id see the day a football supporter wishes they had Michael Appleton or Dereck Mcinnes coaching their side over pulis I think when fans say this they need to listen to their head more so then their heart.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 24, 2016, 05:31:25 PM
Quote from: RogerBadoo on January 24, 2016, 04:51:22 PM
It is so depressing to think we have to watch this type of football for even another game. There are managers available. What about going for Brendan Rodgers or Derek McInnes, Michael Appleton - all three play attractive football. Please Mr Peace do not let this go on much longer....

Rodgers would never come here.  His ego would clash with JP.

McInnes is doing a brilliant job at Aberdeen and will land a PL job soon.   We may well be ideal as our next manager after Pulis (whenever that is).

Appleton doing a very good job at Oxford but still has his L-plates.  Too much of a risk at this stage.   His time will come.   Needs to succeed in the Championship first.

Moyes would be an interesting option.  Also Clement if Derby don't get promoted.  Wouldn't rule out Giggs either if he misses out again at United but would be a bigger risk. 

All things considered, McInnes would be my top choice to take us forward post-Pulis and build on the foundations laid by Pulis, followed by Moyes or Clement.

I would like to see an amicable parting of the ways with Pulis in the summer after he has kept us up again.  Job done.  Plan for the future.





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on January 24, 2016, 05:37:15 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2016, 02:23:41 PM
Which shows how poor the recruitment has been at this club for too long and having those players still here makes it harder to make the changes that are needed.

You have answered your own question graka
He inherited a poor side and is doing well to be where we are
Pulis has loads of faults but you can't lay all the blame on him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 24, 2016, 05:54:34 PM
Quote from: tylerm on January 24, 2016, 05:37:15 PM
He inherited a poor side and is doing well to be where we are
Pulis has loads of faults but you can't lay all the blame on him
I agree Pulis isn't entirely to blame for the squad, but he has brought in 9 players during his time at the club so far. How many did Pepe Mel get to sign?

Pulis can't reasonably freeze players out (some of whom, like Pocognoli, could do a job for us) and then whinge about the players he does pick being too tired. It's poor management however you look at it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendo on January 24, 2016, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 24, 2016, 02:12:29 PM
erm, we are far from over the line this season.
  Yes I have been saying the same we aint save yet and Swansea had a good win and Chelsea, so we drop a place. Don,t know about Pulis resting Rondon, I think we should rest Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 24, 2016, 06:35:19 PM
Seeing some of the names mentioned, Thank God we have Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boult on January 24, 2016, 07:12:04 PM
 Unless the club Shows ambition with player quality or a takeover then Tony Pulis and his style of play is what we will have to stick with
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 24, 2016, 07:21:42 PM
Re our non-performance days such as the last 2 games.
We had several of these with Hodgson (just as bad).
Several with Clarke.
Fewer with Irvine if truth be told.

It's not just Pulis.

Pulis is the first manager for a while to show some evidence for taking the cup seriously...not just talking about it.
Pretty sure this has had an impact on the last 2 league games.

Lets get back to the attitude against Spurs and Stoke and we are progressing. Evans back to Centre Back but we are missing Morrison.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 24, 2016, 10:01:48 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on January 24, 2016, 12:22:34 PM
Jesus Christ talk about a witch hunt. Fact is, we have our 2nd highest top flight points return in 10 years after the same amount of games. Anyone thinking that Peace is going to get rid of Pulis because some supporters don't like the way his teams play, is literally on drugs. Pulis will be here until he decides otherwise or until results stop coming. Peace only cares about the success of WBA and the finances generated. In my opinion, rightfully so to. Yes, we were awful against Villa but anybody out there who would seriously swap places with them? No, thought not.
Good post.....agree entirely
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 24, 2016, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: graka on January 24, 2016, 02:07:15 PM
I hate pulis. I'm never going to another game while he is in charge. Peace won't sack him and he doesn't care what we think so long as we stay up and keep getting the premiership cash until someone buys us and he slopes off into the sunset a wealthy man.
Pulis is living on the never relegated tag and we will maybe be his last job so he will continue to plan for the short term to keep his record intact.
If you look at the transfer rumours only one of our players is wanted and he can't get in our team!!!!
I'd happily accept relegation to get rid of him and replace him with someone like Gary monk and I can start going to games again looking forward to being entertained.
God help us!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on January 24, 2016, 10:09:59 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on January 24, 2016, 10:08:59 PM
I don't

I do
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 24, 2016, 10:20:08 PM
We should have gone for 3 points.
Pulis wimped out and left us with just 1.
Those 2 extra points could make all the difference to where we finish.
(Could also mean the difference between survival and relegation).
He is becoming an ostrich who puts his head in the sand.
He is like a child who wont listen, sticks their fingers in their ears saying "tra la la, tra la la", all the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 24, 2016, 10:20:30 PM
Quote from: RogerBadoo on January 24, 2016, 04:51:22 PM
It is so depressing to think we have to watch this type of football for even another game. There are managers available. What about going for Brendan Rodgers or Derek McInnes, Michael Appleton - all three play attractive football. Please Mr Peace do not let this go on much longer....
TP is not going anywhere, and I for one am glad. Some people on here may want him to go at the end of the season when he we have kept us up for the second time.
I would like to know who those people think will take the club forward from the present aging squad given the current financial constraints. Not the likes of Rodgers, Mcinnes or Appleton. If TP goes we will be in freefall without an equally experienced manager and who might that be?   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 24, 2016, 11:09:15 PM
I hope and wish that Pulis watches MotD tonight.
It was shown how Swansea beat Everton by getting their players to harass players by "getting into their faces".
Stand in front of the opposition and stop them passing.
Cut their angles !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 24, 2016, 11:18:47 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on January 24, 2016, 11:09:15 PM
I hope and wish that Pulis watches MotD tonight.
It was shown how Swansea beat Everton by getting their players to harass players by "getting into their faces".
Stand in front of the opposition and stop them passing.
Cut their angles !

Swansea barely got out of their own half for the entire 2nd half. Meanwhile Everton played some lovely stuff in front of them without really threatening. Was just as bad a game as the derby yesterday imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 25, 2016, 05:51:02 AM
Ive watched Everton a bit recently and they play incisive , entertaining football (for me - a neutral) . However, they're under-achieving results wise because they can't get the balance right with defending. Their fans were booing them losing - yes playing well and booing. Any Albion fan that would prefer us to play 'entertaining football' but lose every week is not being realistic - you would be unhappy.

Everton are 1 point ahead of us, Palace are 1 win ahead of us - they've signed players we could dream of.

 Pulis is doing a good job results wise. The way results are achieved is not fun to watch every week (let alone now and again).

the club have tried and tried different systems, scouting systems, football directors, analysts. The fact is we were in chaos last year. Pulis brought/ brings stability and will leave foundations for others. That isn't to say it's going to be the most memorable time in our history💤
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 25, 2016, 07:38:13 AM
Quote from: darbolina on January 25, 2016, 05:51:02 AM
Ive watched Everton a bit recently and they play incisive , entertaining football (for me - a neutral) . However, they're under-achieving results wise because they can't get the balance right with defending. Their fans were booing them losing - yes playing well and booing. Any Albion fan that would prefer us to play 'entertaining football' but lose every week is not being realistic - you would be unhappy.

Everton are 1 point ahead of us, Palace are 1 win ahead of us - they've signed players we could dream of.

 Pulis is doing a good job results wise. The way results are achieved is not fun to watch every week (let alone now and again).

the club have tried and tried different systems, scouting systems, football directors, analysts. The fact is we were in chaos last year. Pulis brought/ brings stability and will leave foundations for others. That isn't to say it's going to be the most memorable time in our history💤

Very true I can't believe that Everton are a point in front of us look how much quality they have its absolute madness and a credit to pulis but we know he's a very good results based manager, the style however rightly brings its critics and for me cancels out that extra few points we get rather than having an attacking man at the helm, strange old game.


Damned if you do damned if you don't, no manager stays longer than a couple of years now tops its changed so much, look at Clarke and monk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 25, 2016, 07:46:23 AM
We could well have a free flowing attacking team without any sense of defending and be second or third from bottom I'm sure fans would be delighted.

Just before I get pounced on I don't believe pulis style of football is necessary either to achieve 40 odd points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 07:59:47 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on January 25, 2016, 07:46:23 AM
We could well have a free flowing attacking team without any sense of defending and be second or third from bottom I'm sure fans would be delighted.

Just before I get pounced on I don't believe pulis style of football is necessary either to achieve 40 odd points.

Or we could have free flowing football and be 10th in the league? Double edged sword aint it. Half full or half empty?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 25, 2016, 08:56:34 AM
I'd love free flowing attacking football and a 10th placed finish or above every season. However, from the Pepe Mel/ Alan Irvine debacle with an unhappy, under-committed, relatively poor quality, very unbalanced and ageing squad - you can't just press a switch and turn them into something they're not. It takes time. Pulis isn't the man for that job but he is a good man to consolidate for a couple of years so we can get the greater riches on offer to rebuild
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: nick_wba on January 25, 2016, 09:04:21 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on January 24, 2016, 10:20:08 PM
We should have gone for 3 points.
Pulis wimped out and left us with just 1.
Those 2 extra points could make all the difference to where we finish.
(Could also mean the difference between survival and relegation).
He is becoming an ostrich who puts his head in the sand.
He is like a child who wont listen, sticks their fingers in their ears saying "tra la la, tra la la", all the time.

Listen to who? You? Why should he listen to a bunch of couch potatoes shout their tactics at him when they aren't qualified to give him an opinion?

It's not pretty, but it's working and I for one am happy I'm not in Villa's position.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 25, 2016, 09:08:00 AM
Quote from: darbolina on January 25, 2016, 08:56:34 AM
I'd love free flowing attacking football and a 10th placed finish or above every season. However, from the Pepe Mel/ Alan Irvine debacle with an unhappy, under-committed, relatively poor quality, very unbalanced and ageing squad - you can't just press a switch and turn them into something they're not. It takes time. Pulis isn't the man for that job but he is a good man to consolidate for a couple of years so we can get the greater riches on offer to rebuild
Nail on the head , this club was floating back to the lower level's until JP got back involved and appointed Pulis. If , and its a big if , Pulis bought in 2 decent attackers with pace i think we have shown we are quite capable of playing effective but enjoyable football. Trouble is im far from convinced with Pulis in the transfer market! .Looking at the current squad you can see players on big money with no interest in leaving the club to play regular football , to an extent our hands are tied until their deals are done and week by week we have to use your Anichebes/ Gardners.
That coupled with ageing players shows what a mess we got ourselves into.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 09:42:51 AM
I honestly think that we could win ten on the bounce and after losing the 11th game the same old stereotypical, lazy and knee jerking stuff would be spouted.

Do people think Pulis wanted us to play like that on Saturday? He was screaming at them to move forwards but a combination of an extreme off day and a cluster of players who are carrying injuries meant it just didn't happen. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 09:47:18 AM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 09:42:51 AM
I honestly think that we could win ten on the bounce and after losing the 11th game the same old stereotypical, lazy and knee jerking stuff would be spouted.

Do people think Pulis wanted us to play like that on Saturday? He was screaming at them to move forwards but a combination of an extreme off day and a cluster of players who are carrying injuries meant it just didn't happen.

Why on earth play them then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 09:47:18 AM
Why on earth play them then?

Because they are the best option, even when unfit.

Pulis made three positive, attacking substitutions before the 70 minute mark on Saturday, yet he's still accused of being "negative".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 09:56:19 AM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
Because they are the best option, even when unfit.

Pulis made three positive, attacking substitutions before the 70 minute mark on Saturday, yet he's still accused of being "negative".

I disagree there. For me Evans should have played CH with Poco at LB. Central midfield we were struggling granted

The changes were positive but didn't wok out. The constant tactic of just hacking the ball aimlessly unfiled is the issue. Even the worst teams can defend easily against this as proved on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:03:00 AM
He clearly doesn't rate Poco, i'd have played him with Evans in the middle myself, but i'm not a professional football manager.

Thing is, for some, Pulis cannot and never will win - they'll find ways to have a pop after any result, win lose or draw. He made 3 positive substitutions before 70 minutes on Saturday and is still accused of not wanting to win - for god's sake he stood there for 90 minutes screaming for players to take their opponents on and get forward, just like he did at Bristol - People are second guessing everything he does based on a stereotype, it's ridiculous.

We've put in some wonderful performances this season against the likes of Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea along with battering Newcastle and tactically wetting all over Mark Hughes. The second we play badly, even if we don't lose, the knives are out again and the "woe is me" tales of "I've had enough", "He's sapping the enjoyment out of it" start all over again.

We had an off day, for various reasons, we played very badly and still didn't look like losing the game. Yet it's painted out to be that Pulis cunningly plotted a dour 0-0 draw and actually got another centre half to black up and go on disguised as Big Vic.

It's tiresome and an outsiders looking in must think our support is made up of pathetic babies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 10:03:43 AM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
Because they are the best option, even when unfit.

Pulis made three positive, attacking substitutions before the 70 minute mark on Saturday, yet he's still accused of being "negative".

are you really trying to defend that performance matt? hes accused of being negative because thats exactly what it has been all season. round pegs square holes.

anybody who has played football ata decent level knows that playing a half fit player leads to disaster. The manager is so stubborn and a dinosaur the results and performance start to show. i wouldnt mind but he bought half the players that he doesnt play the twonk. how stupid is he.


Quote from: darbolina on January 25, 2016, 08:56:34 AM
I'd love free flowing attacking football and a 10th placed finish or above every season. However, from the Pepe Mel/ Alan Irvine debacle with an unhappy, under-committed, relatively poor quality, very unbalanced and ageing squad - you can't just press a switch and turn them into something they're not. It takes time. Pulis isn't the man for that job but he is a good man to consolidate for a couple of years so we can get the greater riches on offer to rebuild

pepe mel wasnt even given chance to sign any players, he kept us up just like pulis did last season and mel didnt even spend a penny.

Alan Irvine was not in charge of transfers so the blame for his players does not lie at his door. he was set up to fail from the start.

now we have a bloke who has spent 30m and we are hardly in a better position. sooner he is gone the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 10:06:02 AM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:03:00 AM
He clearly doesn't rate Poco, i'd have played him with Evans in the middle myself, but i'm not a professional football manager.

Thing is, for some, Pulis cannot and never will win - they'll find ways to have a pop after any result, win lose or draw. He made 3 positive substitutions before 70 minutes on Saturday and is still accused of not wanting to win - for god's sake he stood there for 90 minutes screaming for players to take their opponents on and get forward, just like he did at Bristol - People are second guessing everything he does based on a stereotype, it's ridiculous.

We've put in some wonderful performances this season against the likes of Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea along with battering Newcastle and tactically wetting all over Mark Hughes. The second we play badly, even if we don't lose, the knives are out again and the "woe is me" tales of "I've had enough", "He's sapping the enjoyment out of it" start all over again.

We had an off day, for various reasons, we played very badly and still didn't look like losing the game. Yet it's painted out to be that Pulis cunningly plotted a dour 0-0 draw and actually got another centre half to black up and go on disguised as Big Vic.

It's tiresome and an outsiders looking in must think our support is made up of pathetic babies.

that has been exactly what has been happeniong all season, why cant you see it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:08:01 AM
Because i'm basing my opinion on what i see rather than what my pre made up conclusion is. I've also stated that the performance on Saturday was poor.

They blacked that centre half up well though, he looked just like Vic.

As for Pepe Mel, it was actually Kiely and Downing who kept us up whilst Mel occasionally popped in to urine about for an hour.

Sacking the manager who rescued us last season and is well on course to keep us up again is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on January 25, 2016, 10:09:16 AM
I love the way even though you can clearly hear him screaming "Pass it" and "Take him on!" and yet the players then hoof it and never drive to try and go past an opponent.

Unless they have a secret code where everything is reversed, I suggest with the quality of pretty much all of the players at the club, he's getting the most out of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:09:53 AM
Quote from: Webby on January 25, 2016, 10:09:16 AM
I love the way even though you can clearly hear him screaming "Pass it" and "Take him on!" and yet the players then hoof it and never drive to try and go past an opponent.

Unless they have a secret code where everything is reversed, I suggest with the quality of pretty much all of the players at the club, he's getting the most out of them.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 10:13:16 AM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:08:01 AM
Because i'm basing my opinion on what i see rather than what my pre made up conclusion is. I've also stated that the performance on Saturday was poor.

They blacked that centre half up well though, he looked just like Vic.

when you look at the team sheet every week dont you know how we are going to set up? scouting us must be the easiest job in the world.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:15:53 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 10:13:16 AM
when you look at the team sheet every week dont you know how we are going to set up? scouting us must be the easiest job in the world.

It's not that simple though, is it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 10:16:28 AM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:08:01 AM
Because i'm basing my opinion on what i see rather than what my pre made up conclusion is. I've also stated that the performance on Saturday was poor.

They blacked that centre half up well though, he looked just like Vic.

As for Pepe Mel, it was actually Kiely and Downing who kept us up whilst Mel occasionally popped in to urine about for an hour.

Sacking the manager who rescued us last season and is well on course to keep us up again is ridiculous.

kiely and downing, now neither of us know exactly what went on behind closed doors. we can only guess.

rescued us last season, just like pep mel did. now spent 30m doesnt play the players hes bought, and were still in danger of relegation with clubs around us strengthening their squads.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:19:41 AM
Nice avoidance of what happened with Pepe Mel.

We are as close to relegation as we are Europe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on January 25, 2016, 10:22:42 AM
I think Saturday is hard to defend performance and intent wise because the way we setup, we clearly were happy to take a point, thats the way we approached it.

What i dont understand is why when at home against the worst team in the league who concede for fun we decide to do that when we have showed over the last few months, we can be a decent positive team.

I think Pulis played it extra cautious because if we had lost 1-0 to the Villa, the fans would of been in uproar, as it stands they are in uproar anyway! I think as per my previous posts, instead of thinking go for the kill, try and score early and deflate them, he went the other way with the cautious approach which i think is his preferred way and i am coming round to the fact he will always do that, he has been managing 30 years and done very well so can understand it in a lot of ways.

Whenever Pulis leaves you can probably be sure that we will have that discipline and organisation drilled into us, Stoke still have it and i was reading about West Ham in a couple of papers and they said as good as they are going forward, there is still that organisation that Allardyce left, so when Pulis goes hopefully we will be the same. The downside to that is that if Pulis does it the Stoke way and stays for a long period with us, (a) we get a bad reputation for footballers to join and (b) the next manager although inheriting what will be a organised group will also inherit an ageing group who all have similar qualities.

I think end of the season is the time to review it, i am confident we will stay up and JP will obviously be delighted and take that into account, but i think he will also take into account how we are viewed around the globe if we continue to become known as the 'new stoke' because he will want to attract bigger sponsors, etc and if fans do get resentful it will play a part.

Personally if out of every say 5 or 6 games, we have 1 x southampton performance (rubbish) 2 or 3 Stoke, Newcastle, Tottenham performances (decent) and 1 or 2 gritty performances i will be happy enough, we will win about a quarter of our games a season and draw about another quarter, its just the way it is but i just hope he lets the handbrake off a bit more.

If he did go at the end of the season, overall i would say he has done a good job, it may be another season might be one too many.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:19:41 AM
Nice avoidance of what happened with Pepe Mel.

We are as close to relegation as we are Europe.
Im not avoiding it, im stating fact that we dont know exactly what happened.

From our performances i think we should be more worried about relegation that europe dont you?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 10:26:59 AM
Quote from: Webby on January 25, 2016, 10:09:16 AM
I love the way even though you can clearly hear him screaming "Pass it" and "Take him on!" and yet the players then hoof it and never drive to try and go past an opponent.

Unless they have a secret code where everything is reversed, I suggest with the quality of pretty much all of the players at the club, he's getting the most out of them.

Who do you blame for the constant hoofing from the back? Is the players or are they asked to do it? Very rarely do we look to play through midfield. I'm not a huge fan of Brunt personally but despite being one of our better passers of the ball he gives it away so often at LB by just lumping it up field.

You could hear him shouting to get it forward at Bristol the other night. When Poco came on you could see he was actually trying to get it down and play. No wonder he isn't playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 10:23:44 AM
Im not avoiding it, im stating fact that we dont know exactly what happened.

From our performances i think we should be more worried about relegation that europe dont you?

I'm worried about neither to be honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 10:28:23 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on January 25, 2016, 10:22:42 AM
I think Saturday is hard to defend performance and intent wise because the way we setup, we clearly were happy to take a point, thats the way we approached it.

What i dont understand is why when at home against the worst team in the league who concede for fun we decide to do that when we have showed over the last few months, we can be a decent positive team.

I think Pulis played it extra cautious because if we had lost 1-0 to the Villa, the fans would of been in uproar, as it stands they are in uproar anyway! I think as per my previous posts, instead of thinking go for the kill, try and score early and deflate them, he went the other way with the cautious approach which i think is his preferred way and i am coming round to the fact he will always do that, he has been managing 30 years and done very well so can understand it in a lot of ways.

Whenever Pulis leaves you can probably be sure that we will have that discipline and organisation drilled into us, Stoke still have it and i was reading about West Ham in a couple of papers and they said as good as they are going forward, there is still that organisation that Allardyce left, so when Pulis goes hopefully we will be the same. The downside to that is that if Pulis does it the Stoke way and stays for a long period with us, (a) we get a bad reputation for footballers to join and (b) the next manager although inheriting what will be a organised group will also inherit an ageing group who all have similar qualities.

I think end of the season is the time to review it, i am confident we will stay up and JP will obviously be delighted and take that into account, but i think he will also take into account how we are viewed around the globe if we continue to become known as the 'new stoke' because he will want to attract bigger sponsors, etc and if fans do get resentful it will play a part.

Personally if out of every say 5 or 6 games, we have 1 x southampton performance (rubbish) 2 or 3 Stoke, Newcastle, Tottenham performances (decent) and 1 or 2 gritty performances i will be happy enough, we will win about a quarter of our games a season and draw about another quarter, its just the way it is but i just hope he lets the handbrake off a bit more.

If he did go at the end of the season, overall i would say he has done a good job, it may be another season might be one too many.

Good post.

Our aim will be every season to stay in the league, i can take that, can i take losing half our games, drawing a quarter and scraping a win in a quarter, i dont think i could.

Noone in this forum would moan about tony pulis if he played players in right positions and set us up to have a go. Not once this season has that happened.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 10:29:40 AM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:27:34 AM
I'm worried about neither to be honest.

Thats your prerogative. You pay your money not to be entertained. I pay mine and i do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 10:29:40 AM
Thats your prerogative. You pay your money not to be entertained. I pay mine and i do.

Football isn't the cinema, entertainment isn't the aim - accumulating points in a league which is financially unbalanced is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 25, 2016, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 09:42:51 AM
I honestly think that we could win ten on the bounce and after losing the 11th game the same old stereotypical, lazy and knee jerking stuff would be spouted.

Do people think Pulis wanted us to play like that on Saturday? He was screaming at them to move forwards but a combination of an extreme off day and a cluster of players who are carrying injuries meant it just didn't happen. 

Yes and if the 11th game was against a team from Witton that was rock bottom of the league you would get a very negative reaction on here and one which was disproportionate in the context of a surprising title challenge. 

The problem I have is if Pulis was moving us to a better place and just needed time to get there then I would be less critical but let's face it he isn't. We can argue the merits of the squad but the plain truth is that despite a big turnover of players next summer the quality will pretty much be the same because that's what £65m a year in wages (or next years' number) buys you in the Premier League and while we might be hamstrung now by the presence of Anichebe, Gamboa etc.. going forward we will be hamstrung by McManaman Chester and Lambert which are players Pulis bought to the club.

My view on Pulis would change dramatically if he bought in a modern full back in the mold of Cresswell or Byram but I suspect he won't. In 12 months time we will have another non scoring striker a bomb squad with some different players in it and the same debate along with an emptier and more unhappy Hawthorns but in all probability be in 13th place 6 to 8 points ahead of the drop zone. 

Pulis is a one trick pony and he will repeat the trick until one season it won't work and then I fear we may well crash and burn. This might happen in any event under any coach so personally I would like to have a go at playing football if it is all the same to you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 10:51:51 AM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:44:24 AM
Football isn't the cinema, entertainment isn't the aim - accumulating points in a league which is financially unbalanced is.

There is no reason why you can't have both. Lesser teams are showing that it can be done. Hodgson had the balance just right when he was here although he did have a much better squad back then IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 25, 2016, 10:53:23 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 10:51:51 AM
There is no reason why you can't have both. Lesser teams are showing that it can be done. Hodgson had the balance just right when he was here although he did have a much better squad back then IMO.

I remember Hodgson being slated on here for dreadful, boring, negative performances
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 25, 2016, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: MarkW on January 25, 2016, 10:53:23 AM
I remember Hodgson being slated on here for dreadful, boring, negative performances
Yes he was at home , had some great away results though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 10:51:51 AM
There is no reason why you can't have both. Lesser teams are showing that it can be done. Hodgson had the balance just right when he was here although he did have a much better squad back then IMO.

People wanted Hodgson sacked in the first half of his full season. This is why i take most Albion fans opinions with enough salt to defrost the USA.

Do people really believe Pulis instructs the team to play like they did on Saturday?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 25, 2016, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: Webby on January 25, 2016, 10:09:16 AM
I love the way even though you can clearly hear him screaming "Pass it" and "Take him on!" and yet the players then hoof it and never drive to try and go past an opponent.

Unless they have a secret code where everything is reversed, I suggest with the quality of pretty much all of the players at the club, he's getting the most out of them.
Strange, as the BT mic's were right next to him at Bristol and all you could hear was a constant and quite frankly shockingly unsophisticated Mike Bassett-esc directions being squarked every second.  During the game there was one nice piece of inter change between Poco and a midfielder and afterwards Pulis could be clearly heard telling Poco that he should have lumped it down the line because 'Rondon has gone'.

Lots of people saying Pulis wants us to play better football and instructs his players to do so, yet historically his teams don't, so either the perceived ethos is incorrect or the players simply don't follow what he asks of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 11:00:15 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 25, 2016, 10:55:12 AM
Strange, as the BT mic's were right next to him at Bristol and all you could hear was a constant and quite frankly shockingly unsophisticated Mike Bassett -esc yelling.  During the game there was one nice piece of inter change between Poco and a midfielder and afterwards Pulis could be clearly be heard telling Poco that he should have lumped it down the line because 'Rondon has gone'.

Lots of people saying Pulis wants us to play better football and instructs his players to do so, yet historically his teams don't, so either the perceived ethos is incorrect or the players simply don't follow what he asks of them.

I watched on BT. I did hear him shouting encouragement plenty of times for players to get forward especially Dawson and telling Sess to take players on.

What happened historically is in the past, gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 25, 2016, 11:03:15 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on January 25, 2016, 10:22:42 AM
I think Saturday is hard to defend performance and intent wise because the way we setup, we clearly were happy to take a point, thats the way we approached it.

What i dont understand is why when at home against the worst team in the league who concede for fun we decide to do that when we have showed over the last few months, we can be a decent positive team.


I'm no great fan of 'Tones' but that's the only way he could have set the team up.
Our best forward thinking/driving player is out for 8 weeks as was our usual left back.
So we have no creativity in the squad at the moment.
Add to the fact that because our squad is so inept he had players (Olsson and Fletcher I would guess) who were playing with injuries due to the fact that he doesn't rate his assembled bench (His making)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 11:04:02 AM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:55:01 AM
People wanted Hodgson sacked in the first half of his full season. This is why i take most Albion fans opinions with enough salt to defrost the USA.

Do people really believe Pulis instructs the team to play like they did on Saturday?

yes because he has set the team up this way every bloody week!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on January 25, 2016, 11:05:02 AM
If he set his team up like that every week surely we'd draw 0-0 week in week out and never win games ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 11:04:02 AM
yes because he has set the team up this way every bloody week!!!

So when we tore through Chelsea ten days ago they were instructed to lose? When we had Newcastle pinned back for pretty much an entire game they were told to hang back?

Come on mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 25, 2016, 11:06:58 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 11:00:15 AM
I watched on BT. I did hear him shouting encouragement plenty of times for players to get forward especially Dawson and telling Sess to take players on.

What happened historically is in the past, gone.
History is a perfectly reasonable base to use as a yardstick especially when it comes to someone so engrained as Pulis, a man who has shown little to no sign of versatility in the way he goes about setting up a football side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 25, 2016, 11:07:06 AM
there was a quote from DK that's gone; on here saying how often we've been last on MOTD ...it's actually 4 times.

Villa and Soton at home.... Soton and Watford away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 11:07:15 AM
Quote from: Foster#1 on January 25, 2016, 11:05:02 AM
If he set his team up like that every week surely we'd draw 0-0 week in week out and never win games ?

well obviously not because every team we play sets up differently against us. we dont play the same club every week.  ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 25, 2016, 11:07:27 AM
pulis shouting take him on or run at him would be encouraging if it wasn't gardener or dawson he's shouting it to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 11:09:54 AM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 11:06:25 AM
So when we tore through Chelsea ten days ago they were instructed to lose? When we had Newcastle pinned back for pretty much an entire game they were told to hang back?

Come on mate.

tore through chelsea? we played well but i disagree we tore them a new one. we got a deserved draw vs a team who everyone is beating willy nilly this season.

pinned back newcastle who are the worst newcastle team in years and are below us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 11:13:02 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 25, 2016, 11:07:27 AM
pulis shouting take him on or run at him would be encouraging if it wasn't gardener or dawson he's shouting it to.

Does it matter who he's shouting encouragement to ? its encouragement and not just hoof it likes its been claimed on here many times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 11:13:51 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 11:09:54 AM
tore through chelsea? we played well but i disagree we tore them a new one. we got a deserved draw vs a team who everyone is beating willy nilly this season.

pinned back newcastle who are the worst newcastle team in years and are below us.

You see, this is my problem - whatever we do there is always a desperation to paint it as negative to fit the agenda.

The week before playing us Newcastle beat Liverpool, Chelsea beat Arsenal yesterday and haven't lost since Mourinhio went btw.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 25, 2016, 11:15:35 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 11:09:54 AM
tore through chelsea? we played well but i disagree we tore them a new one. we got a deserved draw vs a team who everyone is beating willy nilly this season.

pinned back newcastle who are the worst newcastle team in years and are below us.

You can only beat what's in front of you.

 What about the Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham, Stoke, Liverpool games? They were all good performances played on the front foot against teams above us, non of which we lost. To say that Pulis sets the team up not to attack is ridiculous as evidenced by those performances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 25, 2016, 11:22:30 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 11:13:02 AM
Does it matter who he's shouting encouragement to ? its encouragement and not just hoof it likes its been claimed on here many times.
of course it matters. he knows damn well the team isn't equipped with players to do just that.
name me the players in the team who regularly beat a man with pace or skill.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on January 25, 2016, 11:23:38 AM
The thing is based on saturday alone, it was Pulis's making.

We can all be football managers on here but I dont get why he moved our best player out of position to accomodate one who was half fit and isnt a world beater anyway. Whatever he thinks of Poco surely a bloke who has played to a high level, played international football and who until Pulis joined was doing okay and did okay Tuesday would be a better option? If it was me who was the backup option i could understand moving the team about but he has perfectly capable players, even if short terms solutions who can play their proper positions.

You know if you pick Olsson the passing isnt going to be great, he will launch it forward and thats what he did, Evans is a good player but play him at left back his first instinct is safety first and get rid of the ball ASAP which is understandable because its not his usual position and its not natural to him, same can be said of Dawson (who is improving) If you pick these players in these positions, you know what you are getting.

In midfield, Fletcher clearly wasnt fit, Pulis seems a big fan of Gardner, why not play him in his actual role of centre midfield alongside Yacob, you know with Gardner you will get work rate and effort, thats what he does, instead we played him a free role where the emphasis is to link and create, something he doesnt do well.

By doing so that would leave a role behind our Striker, why not start Big Vic upfront and play Rondon behind, or if Saido is able to make the bench, why not start him? If your trying to make a point that he cant act the tool, dont put him on the bench anyway and then bring him on! or put Sess into the free midfield role as the link man (where he played in his Sunderland days and said is his preferred position) and play Mcmanaman on the wing?

I have said last few months i have been pleased with Pulis but Saturday he messed up which on the back of the Southampton non event was disappointing. His stubborness and cautious approach cost us the chance for two extra points, forget its Villa, its the worst team in the league at home and his selection ensured we went for a safety first approach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 11:26:54 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 25, 2016, 11:22:30 AM
of course it matters. he knows damn well the team isn't equipped with players to do just that.
name me the players in the team who regularly beat a man with pace or skill.

Sess, McClean has the ability, Fletcher despite the claims by some does it at times.

So he should not try to encourage players ? Imagine the outcry yet again if he was constantly telling players to "get rid" all the while.

No win really by the look of it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 25, 2016, 11:35:04 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on January 25, 2016, 10:22:42 AM

Whenever Pulis leaves you can probably be sure that we will have that discipline and organisation drilled into us, Stoke still have it and i was reading about West Ham in a couple of papers and they said as good as they are going forward, there is still that organisation that Allardyce left, so when Pulis goes hopefully we will be the same. The downside to that is that if Pulis does it the Stoke way and stays for a long period with us, (a) we get a bad reputation for footballers to join and (b) the next manager although inheriting what will be a organised group will also inherit an ageing group who all have similar qualities.


Those concerns keep getting raised on here after a 'bad' result. Stoke have had zero problems signing players since Pulis left. The only thing that will stop West Brom from signing new players will be not wanting to pay the wages. Evans will be on a big wedge so it's not impossible.

Secondly, he left Mark Hughes a solid spine that the manager didn't have to spend a penny on. That allowed Hughes and his team to concentrate on the final third when it came to new signings. Pulis is having to rebuild the whole West Brom team in the short term which is much harder task.

Lastly the ageing players. At the start of the summer Pulis had McCauley, Olsson and Lescott in the backline. Loads on here went mad when they heard Evans was replacing Lescott. Pulis was also linked with Caulker and Fazio so no doubt they would have replaced Olsson. McCauley has been the 2nd best defender behind Evans so there's no problem with him staying another 12 months. How can you say Pulis will leave an ageing squad when hes trying to replace those players one at a time?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 25, 2016, 11:35:04 AM
Those concerns keep getting raised on here after a 'bad' result. Stoke have had zero problems signing players since Pulis left. The only thing that will stop West Brom from signing new players will be not wanting to pay the wages. Evans will be on a big wedge so it's not impossible.

Secondly, he left Mark Hughes a solid spine that the manager didn't have to spend a penny on. That allowed Hughes and his team to concentrate on the final third when it came to new signings. Pulis is having to rebuild the whole West Brom team in the short term which is much harder task.

Lastly the ageing players. At the start of the summer Pulis had McCauley, Olsson and Lescott in the backline. Loads on here went mad when they heard Evans was replacing Lescott. Pulis was also linked with Caulker and Fazio so no doubt they would have replaced Olsson. McCauley has been the 2nd best defender behind Evans so there's no problem with him staying another 12 months. How can you say Pulis will leave an ageing squad when hes trying to replace those players one at a time?

Superb post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 25, 2016, 11:39:38 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 11:26:54 AM
Sess, McClean has the ability, Fletcher despite the claims by some does it at times.

So he should not try to encourage players ? Imagine the outcry yet again if he was constantly telling players to "get rid" all the while.

No win really by the look of it
you mean sess who's missed half a season, mcClean has impressed me with his work rate but has got no quality beyond that.
horses for courses mate.
if you want grafters you employ labourers
if you want craft you employ craftsman
its hard to deny that pulis doesn't prefer grafters
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 25, 2016, 11:39:38 AM
you mean sess who's missed half a season, mcClean has impressed me with his work rate but has got no quality beyond that.
horses for courses mate.
if you want grafters you employ labourers
if you want craft you employ craftsman
its hard to deny that pulis doesn't prefer grafters

Sess has played 14 games in the league, he worked his way back in after his strop and expensive taxi trip home. McClean is mixed, one minute can't get a cross over as he needs one touch too many, other times he puts a great ball across, just not often enough. Seems the only time not actually thinking about what he's doing helps him when he just puts it over.

We're not at the stage where we can have a team of craftsmen, we need the grafters as well. I think Pulis seems to prefer players he can trust regardless of whether a crafter or a grafter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 11:59:38 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 11:44:49 AM
Sess has played 14 games in the league, he worked his way back in after his strop and expensive taxi trip home. McClean is mixed, one minute can't get a cross over as he needs one touch too many, other times he puts a great ball across, just not often enough. Seems the only time not actually thinking about what he's doing helps him when he just puts it over.

We're not at the stage where we can have a team of craftsmen, we need the grafters as well. I think Pulis seems to prefer players he can trust regardless of whether a crafter or a grafter.

the players who he trusts are always work horses though that offer little quality ie mclean, gardner and rondon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 12:01:47 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 11:59:38 AM
the players who he trusts are always work horses though that offer little quality ie mclean, gardner and rondon.

Which speaks volumes about how poor this squad is and has been for too long.

McClean I think offers a bit more than just work, was against his signing as I just didn't think he was good enough but has impressed, Rondon does work hard but needs someone to help him out. Gardner yes does offer workrate only but not signed by Pulis, why we tracked him for so long I don't know.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on January 25, 2016, 12:03:37 PM
Problem is Stokelad, a lot of the players he has signed to replace those ageing players, he doesnt play, he still uses the ones he inherited (Evans aside who is a great signing). 

Football is a emotional game and people were hacked off saturday, not with the result but with the approach, now things have calmed down i dont think its unfair for people to raise a few points when the last two league games we have been utter s**t.

As for new signings, if you were a promising player and you were offered the same wages by West Brom and pretty much any other premier league team (except maybe Villa) who would you choose to better yourself? It wouldnt be West Brom.

At times Pulis i think gets an unfair reputation for his teams, there have been a few games this year where we havent had the credit we deserved, but sadly he has earnt that reputation.

At Stoke he took them from a nothing club to a established club, did a great job, he earned the right to stay and keep building. Also for us, if he went end of the season i think we would have a lot to thank him for, he started with us on a better footing that he did at Stoke but he was the ideal bloke to fix some other problems and he has done that.

My concern is after this season, Pulis's last couple of seasons at Stoke i think he signed 14 players and there is one maybe two players who were a success? Upto the last two seasons at Stoke he had built a spine and got them organised and disciplined, pretty much where we are now, its after that where i think the concern is.

I hope the club (and him) review it end of the season, it maybe he knows from his time at Stoke that once he gets the team to a certain level he knows its time to move on, so he might walk of his own accord and go to a new challenge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 12:11:39 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 12:01:47 PM
Which speaks volumes about how poor this squad is and has been for too long.

McClean I think offers a bit more than just work, was against his signing as I just didn't think he was good enough but has impressed, Rondon does work hard but needs someone to help him out. Gardner yes does offer workrate only but not signed by Pulis, why we tracked him for so long I don't know.

It is indeed. I think people tend to gloss over this fact. I'm no Pulis fan and hate the style of play but points wise we are doing OK considering. However he hasn't helped himself by 2 thirds of his signings not being good enough to start on a regular basis and of those that do only 2 have really improved the side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 25, 2016, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 12:01:47 PM
Which speaks volumes about how poor this squad is and has been for too long.

McClean I think offers a bit more than just work, was against his signing as I just didn't think he was good enough but has impressed, Rondon does work hard but needs someone to help him out. Gardner yes does offer workrate only but not signed by Pulis, why we tracked him for so long I don't know.

so that we could get him on a Bosman!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 25, 2016, 12:24:31 PM
at the moment I think the balance is wrong whether that's down to the squad he's got to choose from or just his way. if you look at our attacking midfield options you'd have to be both stupid and blind not to see that this area was what needed most attention, we've lost one player in morrrison and yet don't have another player who can play that role
after watching matt phillips closely on Saturday this player would give us a forward threat, and he works hard.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 12:01:47 PM
Which speaks volumes about how poor this squad is and has been for too long.

McClean I think offers a bit more than just work, was against his signing as I just didn't think he was good enough but has impressed, Rondon does work hard but needs someone to help him out. Gardner yes does offer workrate only but not signed by Pulis, why we tracked him for so long I don't know.

is he adding to the problem by buying players simply not to play them? ie chester for 8 million quid.

when pulis goes we'll be saying this about the next bloke saying hes got dead wood and hes got to get his own players in, when in fact these players are good enough, and pulis has turned them into dead wood? ie chester.

id love to have an opinion on chester but we havent seen the kid play in his position.

Rondon is going the same was as Ideye Brown. Again turning into dead wood under pulis management and style of play.

Berahino has gone from 20 goals to sod all. You cant tell me it is all Saidos fault, yes he takes some blame but pulis has to aswel imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 25, 2016, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
is he adding to the problem by buying players simply not to play them? ie chester for 8 million quid.

when pulis goes we'll be saying this about the next bloke saying hes got dead wood and hes got to get his own players in, when in fact these players are good enough, and pulis has turned them into dead wood? ie chester.

id love to have an opinion on chester but we havent seen the kid play in his position.

Rondon is going the same was as Ideye Brown. Again turning into dead wood under pulis management and style of play.

Berahino has gone from 20 goals to sod all. You cant tell me it is all Saidos fault, yes he takes some blame but pulis has to aswel imo.
pulis doesn't do blame mate, well its never aimed at himself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 25, 2016, 12:42:47 PM
TP is urging players to take people on and to get forward, but,
If  the same group of players fails to do this on a "fairly" consistent basis in fact disregarding his instructions, why does he persist with using the same group? Why does he not change things around and utilise HIS squad?

Baffles me TBH
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 25, 2016, 12:40:46 PM
pulis doesn't do blame mate, well its never aimed at himself.

Seems the same with every coach in football then really doesn't it. More like politicians than you think
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 12:51:32 PM
Seems the same with every coach in football then really doesn't it. More like politicians than you think

I'm amazed people think what managers say in the media bears any sort of resemblance to what they say in the dressing room.

If anyone really does think that then it's probably best they ditch the keyboard and get some crayons on the go (although they may eat them).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
is he adding to the problem by buying players simply not to play them? ie chester for 8 million quid.

when pulis goes we'll be saying this about the next bloke saying hes got dead wood and hes got to get his own players in, when in fact these players are good enough, and pulis has turned them into dead wood? ie chester.

id love to have an opinion on chester but we havent seen the kid play in his position.

Rondon is going the same was as Ideye Brown. Again turning into dead wood under pulis management and style of play.

Berahino has gone from 20 goals to sod all. You cant tell me it is all Saidos fault, yes he takes some blame but pulis has to aswel imo.

I don't solely blame anyone or absolve anyone from any blame as all including Pulis have faults and a part of the blame game. His signings like others in football are mixed.

You say you haven't seen Chester in his position but he was signed to be played at rightback, he was perfectly happy to come knowing what he was expected to do and having played there for Hull last season at times you would ave thought he would give Pulis more of a decision to make in putting him there but when he plays he looks like someone who has never seen a ball in his life, not what you expect from an international footballer.

The £8m is the going rate though these days, rememeber we got £10m for Curtis Davies how many years ago ?

Saido needs to look at himself and decide what he wants to be remembered for and compared to Francis Jeffers or Harry Kane. The club have not been perfect at all but if Spurs had offered a decent deal he would have gone, the bolame for that lies down South.

I think Rondon like Ideye needs time to adjust, its not a new thing though a striker who banged goals in elsewhere coming to this club and suddenly drying up, that goes back years and years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 25, 2016, 12:59:04 PM
How anybody can still defend Pulis tactics (or lack of them) on Saturday is beyond me.

We were at home against the team bottom of the league, and we didn't even register a shot on target. Never mind local pride, we just weren't set up to attack at all.

Fletcher and Olsson weren't fit? Shouldn't be on the pitch then. Players have played too many games? If you used more of your squad, that wouldn't be the case. Or maybe you shouldn't have run them up so many hills in Austria.

Villa have spent so much money? They're still bottom, never mind that they had £40 million back from the sales of Benteke and Delph. This is also the most expensively assembled Albion side in history, so you can hardly claim we don't have a pot to urine in.

To not register a shot on target against the team bottom of the league - to not even create a real goal scoring chance - is a failure of management no matter how you look at it. It was awful tactics, awful management, and once again nobody is going to pull him up because 'if he goes we might get relegated'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 12:59:17 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 12:52:52 PM
I'm amazed people think what managers say in the media bears any sort of resemblance to what they say in the dressing room.

If anyone really does think that then it's probably best they ditch the keyboard and get some crayons on the go (although they may eat them).

Where has anyone mentioned the media or dressing rooms?

You say this about dressing rooms, but earlier you said downing and kiely took credit for keeping us up. I said we dont know exactly what happens behind closed doors so you cant assume what pulis says in the dressing room but you give Downing and kiely credit when it suits your arguement. Watch you dont choke on them crayons  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 12:57:03 PM
I don't solely blame anyone or absolve anyone from any blame as all including Pulis have faults and a part of the blame game. His signings like others in football are mixed.

You say you haven't seen Chester in his position but he was signed to be played at rightback, he was perfectly happy to come knowing what he was expected to do and having played there for Hull last season at times you would ave thought he would give Pulis more of a decision to make in putting him there but when he plays he looks like someone who has never seen a ball in his life, not what you expect from an international footballer.

The £8m is the going rate though these days, rememeber we got £10m for Curtis Davies how many years ago ?

Saido needs to look at himself and decide what he wants to be remembered for and compared to Francis Jeffers or Harry Kane. The club have not been perfect at all but if Spurs had offered a decent deal he would have gone, the bolame for that lies down South.

I think Rondon like Ideye needs time to adjust, its not a new thing though a striker who banged goals in elsewhere coming to this club and suddenly drying up, that goes back years and years.

Was chester bought as a right back? We dont know. I chatted with chester a day before the season started i was down the training ground. He was convinced he was bought to play most weeks was the impression i got. What position? he never said.

The only player who has improved us is jonny evans he has been fantastic, and for that i will give pulis credit for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
See the first post on this page regarding "blame". Someone is assuming everything Pulis says to the press is exactly what he says behind the doors, like he was saying Fletcher & Evans were very doubtful when they were always going to play.

It's a widely known fact that Kiely & Downing effectively managed the team to survival that season, the players were laughing at Mel and he did nothing to earn their respect and in the dying weeks of the season stopped coming in to work during the week. Downing did all of the preperation, all of the research into the opposition and all of the tactical stuff leading up to matches - left to Mel it would have been a Lion Farm set up.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on January 25, 2016, 12:59:04 PM
How anybody can still defend Pulis tactics (or lack of them) on Saturday is beyond me.

We were at home against the team bottom of the league, and we didn't even register a shot on target. Never mind local pride, we just weren't set up to attack at all.

Fletcher and Olsson weren't fit? Shouldn't be on the pitch then. Players have played too many games? If you used more of your squad, that wouldn't be the case. Or maybe you shouldn't have run them up so many hills in Austria.

Villa have spent so much money? They're still bottom, never mind that they had £40 million back from the sales of Benteke and Delph. This is also the most expensively assembled Albion side in history, so you can hardly claim we don't have a pot to urine in.

To not register a shot on target against the team bottom of the league - to not even create a real goal scoring chance - is a failure of management no matter how you look at it. It was awful tactics, awful management, and once again nobody is going to pull him up because 'if he goes we might get relegated'.

I don't think anyone is saying we played well on Saturday.

What i am doing is going against the hyperbole re writing of history because people are spitting their dummy out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 01:08:49 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
See the first post on this page regarding "blame". Someone is assuming everything Pulis says to the press is exactly what he says behind the doors, like he was saying Fletcher & Evans were very doubtful when they were always going to play.

It's a widely known fact that Kiely & Downing effectively managed the team to survival that season, the players were laughing at Mel and he did nothing to earn their respect and in the dying weeks of the season stopped coming in to work during the week. Downing did all of the preperation, all of the research into the opposition and all of the tactical stuff leading up to matches - left to Mel it would have been a Lion Farm set up.

Widely known by whom? Or was it something you read in the express and dingle or on facebook?

Not one person can say on here what happens in that training ground its all hearsay and my mate said this and that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 01:28:05 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 01:02:34 PM
Was chester bought as a right back? We dont know. I chatted with chester a day before the season started i was down the training ground. He was convinced he was bought to play most weeks was the impression i got. What position? he never said.

The only player who has improved us is jonny evans he has been fantastic, and for that i will give pulis credit for.

Hasn't it been put in the press about Chester coming for that reason ? sure i've seen it a few times.

Fletcher has also improved us massively in the centre of the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 25, 2016, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 10:51:51 AM
There is no reason why you can't have both. Lesser teams are showing that it can be done. Hodgson had the balance just right when he was here although he did have a much better squad back then IMO.
Yes
QPR
Blackpool
Swansea
Newcastle
Middlesbrough
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 01:08:49 PM
Widely known by whom? Or was it something you read in the express and dingle or on facebook?

Not one person can say on here what happens in that training ground its all hearsay and my mate said this and that.

You can choose to believe it or not, that is up to you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 25, 2016, 02:20:43 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 01:28:05 PM
Hasn't it been put in the press about Chester coming for that reason ? sure i've seen it a few times.

Yes it has, it was actually quoted from an interview with Chester himself.

Ed: The 26-year-old said: “When I signed (Pulis) said he knew I could play at centre-back but he wanted to use me at full-back.

“I don’t really have a problem with that as long as I’m playing in the Premier League, which is where I want to be.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/11/16/james-chester-i-need-to-play-for-albion/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/11/16/james-chester-i-need-to-play-for-albion/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 25, 2016, 02:24:30 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 12:57:03 PM
You say you haven't seen Chester in his position but he was signed to be played at rightback, he was perfectly happy to come knowing what he was expected to do and having played there for Hull last season at times you would ave thought he would give Pulis more of a decision to make in putting him there but when he plays he looks like someone who has never seen a ball in his life, not what you expect from an international footballer.

The £8m is the going rate though these days, rememeber we got £10m for Curtis Davies how many years ago ?
To simply disregard an £8million outlay as the ‘going rate these days’ as if it doesn’t really matter is fanciful, like it or not £8million for a defender is a big investment for us, what is even more fanciful is assuming a centre back will effortlessly flourish in a new position without any specialist coaching.  Yes Chester was told he might be deployed as a full back - which he accepted but he has also admitted he has received no specialist coaching on how to adapt to this position.  Sink or swim with an £8million investment? Seems a rather wasteful use of resources to me.  As for £8M+ being the going rate, I can’t think of that many other full backs signed for that sort of money outside the top 4?

All clubs can have patchy recruitment, but Pulis’s has been worse than patchy.  9 players signed and only 3 (maximum) can be deemed a success while Lambert, Gnabry and Chester have unquestionably been disastrous pieces of business, we also have one of our most skillful players in Mcmanaman reportedly available for transfer just 12 months after Pulis himself signed him.  It’s all Terry Burton’s fault I guess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 02:32:38 PM
I'd be interested to know how much we actually paid for Chester.

Unless he finds a cure for Cancer and single handedly defeats Daesh i reckon Hull will be left short.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 02:33:17 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 25, 2016, 02:24:30 PM
To simply disregard an £8million outlay as the ‘going rate these days’ as if it doesn’t really matter is fanciful, like it or not £8million for a defender is a big investment for us, what is even more fanciful is assuming a centre back will effortlessly flourish in a new position without any specialist coaching.  Yes Chester was told he might be deployed as a full back - which he accepted but he has also admitted he has received no specialist coaching on how to adapt to this position.  Sink or swim with an £8million investment? Seems a rather wasteful use resources to me.  As for £8M+ being the going rate, I can’t think of that many other full backs signed for that sort of money outside the top 4?

All clubs can have patchy recruitment, but Pulis’s has been worse than patchy.  9 players signed and only 3 (maximum) can be deemed a success while Lambert, Gnabry and Chester have unquestionably been disastrous pieces of business, we also have one of our most skillful players in Mcmanaman reportedly available for transfer just 12 months after Pulis himself signed him.  It’s all Terry Burton’s fault I guess.

I don't "disregard" it as the going rate, it is however the going rate for players leaving relegated clubs back into the Premier and some prices going around including from Championship clubs to other Championship clubs are higher. How much do you think we would be willing to accept if it was the other way round ?

I also think it has turned into a poor signing and have not defended it at all as it baffles me but the facts are there why he was signed and he was perfectly happy to come knowing it so is the player blameless in this move or do we just put it on Pulis ?

I don't absolve blame from Pulis from all that has gone on but I can't join in the blame game that puts everything wrong at this club at his door either so like so many seem willing to do.

As for a centre back going to right back, Dawson has and for me looks better in that role than he does at centre half, players these days have to fit a number of roles, its why you also see others playing different roles, Vertonghen at Spurs for one off the top of my head and no I am not comparing any of our players with Vertonghen either before that ones comes back from somewhere.

Lambert on paper was a good decent signing that hasn't worked out. Gnabry hasn't worked but again is that all down to Pulis as some would have you belive ? Even Wenger has said he needs to do mroe to force his way in.

This clubs recruitment has been overall poor for too long not just under Pulis but again seems another stick to beat him with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on January 25, 2016, 02:37:15 PM
Pulis should take no blame at all regarding the Berahino situation.

It's all down to the silly prick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 25, 2016, 02:39:26 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on January 25, 2016, 12:59:04 PM
How anybody can still defend Pulis tactics (or lack of them) on Saturday is beyond me.

We were at home against the team bottom of the league, and we didn't even register a shot on target. Never mind local pride, we just weren't set up to attack at all.

Fletcher and Olsson weren't fit? Shouldn't be on the pitch then. Players have played too many games? If you used more of your squad, that wouldn't be the case. Or maybe you shouldn't have run them up so many hills in Austria.

Villa have spent so much money? They're still bottom, never mind that they had £40 million back from the sales of Benteke and Delph. This is also the most expensively assembled Albion side in history, so you can hardly claim we don't have a pot to urine in.

To not register a shot on target against the team bottom of the league - to not even create a real goal scoring chance - is a failure of management no matter how you look at it. It was awful tactics, awful management, and once again nobody is going to pull him up because 'if he goes we might get relegated'.

I know where you are coming from but I simply cannot believe he set the team up to play like that. Its been a long time since I have seen such a disorganised performance. I thought that when he took the headless chicken off and bought SB and Vic on, he at least showed intent to win the game, but we got worse! TP could not have planned that for one second.

I agree with what you are saying though..... particularly about fitness. If you are not fit then you shouldn't play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 25, 2016, 02:41:26 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on January 25, 2016, 02:37:15 PM
Pulis should take no blame at all regarding the Berahino situation.

It's all down to the silly prick.

A Spurs supporting friend (who can't believe some of the comments from our fans) reckoned we'll be in for an interesting summer.  Bumper TV deal, Berahino money available, we should be looking to transform a good chunk of the squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 25, 2016, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 02:32:38 PM
I'd be interested to know how much we actually paid for Chester.

Unless he finds a cure for Cancer and single handedly defeats Daesh i reckon Hull will be left short.

It will almost certainly be similar to Ideye where he is sold for £4m in the summer and we are told this is all we ever paid for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 25, 2016, 02:49:30 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on January 25, 2016, 02:37:15 PM
Pulis should take no blame at all regarding the Berahino situation.

It's all down to the silly prick.

made me chuckle  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 25, 2016, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
is he adding to the problem by buying players simply not to play them? ie chester for 8 million quid.

when pulis goes we'll be saying this about the next bloke saying hes got dead wood and hes got to get his own players in, when in fact these players are good enough, and pulis has turned them into dead wood? ie chester.

id love to have an opinion on chester but we havent seen the kid play in his position.

Rondon is going the same was as Ideye Brown. Again turning into dead wood under pulis management and style of play.

Berahino has gone from 20 goals to sod all. You cant tell me it is all Saidos fault, yes he takes some blame but pulis has to aswel imo.

I'd disagree with you there.
From what I understand Pulis wanted to sell Berahino to fund more players in.
Spuds offered a low down payment so the funds weren't there for the players he wanted to bring in.
The tit then spat his dummy out, effectively went on strike, refused to play for JP.
Notice when all this happened he said that he wouldn't play for JP not Pulis.
Since then he's been on the big Macs, late for training and team meetings so I think Pulis is more or less squeaky here. He's given the tit enough chances to get back into the starting 11 but he doesn't look anywhere near.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 03:09:36 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on January 25, 2016, 02:56:39 PM
I'd disagree with you there.
From what I understand Pulis wanted to sell Berahino to fund more players in.
Spuds offered a low down payment so the funds weren't there for the players he wanted to bring in.
The tit then spat his dummy out, effectively went on strike, refused to play for JP.
Notice when all this happened he said that he wouldn't play for JP not Pulis.
Since then he's been on the big Macs, late for training and team meetings so I think Pulis is more or less squeaky here. He's given the tit enough chances to get back into the starting 11 but he doesn't look anywhere near.

yes i take your point.

im glad we didnt give pulis any money, because im certain he would have wasted it just like he did over the summer barring jonny evans.

i really want to support Pulis, but whenever we put in decent performance we get knocked back down by 3 rubbish ones. im sick of looking at an unbalanced starting 11. If he just played players in right postions with some attacking intent then people would understand and accept thats how it is. when you play players out of position with 8 defensive minded players 1 shot on target in 3 games, you try and bu115hit the fans by saying the players are tired then im sorry im not having it.

no wonder the players are tired if you chase every fooking game hardly touching the ball and you play teh same players week in week out. he was the one who threw his dummy out the pram and wanted say on transfers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 03:11:21 PM
I love how Rondon is being classed as a "waste of money".

We'd have been mad to turn down the chance to sign him, he's an excellent player.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 03:11:21 PM
I love how Rondon is being classed as a "waste of money".

We'd have been mad to turn down the chance to sign him, he's an excellent player.

he is yet to show it yet, although i do see something in him. he needs the support of other players, the way we set up does not help him in any way shape or form.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 25, 2016, 03:15:48 PM
You very very clearly do not want to support Pulis.  It couldn't be more transparent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on January 25, 2016, 03:15:48 PM
You very very clearly do not want to support Pulis.  It couldn't be more transparent.

how come its taken you so long?

when i have a reason to i will, upto now it has been rubbish apart from the odd game here and there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 25, 2016, 04:25:58 PM
I'm quite content with how we are doing, the solid platform Pulls is building will bring future reward. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 04:28:04 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 25, 2016, 04:25:58 PM
I'm quite content with how we are doing, the solid platform Pulls is building will bring future reward. ;)

hope so pearl, really hope so!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 25, 2016, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 03:11:21 PM
I love how Rondon is being classed as a "waste of money".

We'd have been mad to turn down the chance to sign him, he's an excellent player.
I don't think you can class him an excellent player based on what we have seen since we signed him. I can't comment on previous to this as I didn't see enough of him.
He looks a decent player, but misses the target a lot, which suggests he is a striker who needs numerous chances to bag a reasonable quota. A-la Andy Cole. This begs the question of whether he is a good fit for our system and the answer so far would be no, in my opinion.
He cuts a forlorn figure at times, stuck in a different postcode to most of his team mates, and I don't think we will see the best of him until he gets more support. Whether that be here or elsewhere remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 03:11:21 PM
I love how Rondon is being classed as a "waste of money".

We'd have been mad to turn down the chance to sign him, he's an excellent player.

Ideye and Valero were a 'waste of money' too. Not necessarily because they weren't good enough but because we didn't know how to use them or they just didn't fit the English game. For me Rondon falls into the same category. We are not going to change our style anytime soon to accommodate him. Therefore he's a waste of money. We need a striker with pace who can create their own chances / goals like Odemwingie used to as we have zero creativity in the side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 25, 2016, 05:24:36 PM
Further to the secret football piece on 'Saido'. What do we think of this?

The chairman knows what is happening. He knows what his manager is doing. He knows that if he gives in and sells the player, then the manager will spend the money.

That’s not an inherently bad thing. His problem is that he knows where that money is going.

He knows that if the manager is given the money, he will only buy players that are brought to the club through his agent and, in the process, he will pocket a wacking great windfall through cuts of the transfer fee that he’ll split with his agent.

The chairman knows this and is digging his heels in. Everybody in football knows this.

The chairman knows that the manager will spend the money for the sake of spending it because he may not be there in the summer, anyway, and he wants as big a slice of that £30 million pie as he can get before he’s gone and a new manager comes in and the opportunity is lost.

And this is the problem that chairmen up and down the country have when they employ managers who they know to be stopgaps themselves.

Those managers go in, make hay while the sun shines, do the best they can tactically and take anything that isn’t nailed down with them when they are inevitably fired and the managerial cycle brings about the return to the club of the five-year-plan manager a year or two later.

At this moment, there is no trust between the club and the manager.

The chairman does not want to give him any proceeds from a sale of the player because he wants to maximise his return.

And the manager is trying every trick in the book to have the player sold by making him sit very publicly on the bench while telling the world what a great lad he is and that, at the moment, he just doesn’t fit into the style and shape of the team.

The problem for the chairman, besides having a very expensive asset sat on the bench that he is neither leveraging financially or benefitting from on the pitch, is that it will look incredibly odd if he sacks his manager now.

The manager has actually done OK for the club and, in terms of results, it is certainly a case of better the devil you know when it comes to securing Premier League status this campaign.

The player will be sold one day, probably in the summer, but my guess is that it won’t be while this manager is in charge.

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/ (http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 25, 2016, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 04:57:11 PM
Ideye and Valero were a 'waste of money' too. Not necessarily because they weren't good enough but because we didn't know how to use them or they just didn't fit the English game. For me Rondon falls into the same category. We are not going to change our style anytime soon to accommodate him. Therefore he's a waste of money. We need a striker with pace who can create their own chances / goals like Odemwingie used to as we have zero creativity in the side.

Agreed. At best Rondon tends to get 1 chance a game. He should have done better with a couple of glaring misses (West Ham and Liverpool stand out) but because he gets such a small amount of chances any ones he does pass up, even if they are no more than half chances, tend to get magnified.

Rondon is a player that needs other's to create for him and theres nothing wrong with that. But in our current set up that type of player is never going to prosper. A midfield 3 of Gardner, Yacob, and Fletcher must be the least creative selected of all 20 teams last weekend.

Look at Afobe for example. Missed an absolute sitter and a couple of half chances on his debut as bad as anything Rondon has done. But he already has 2 goals in 3 games because Bournemouth play to his strengths and create chances for him. Playing for us it's likely those 3 chances Afobe missed in his first game would of taken him 6 games to be presented to him here and he could well be in a position where he has 0 goals in 6 games and a couple of easy misses to his name. Instead he already looks like a potential bargain at the same price we paid for Rondon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:31:12 PM
Simple checks shows that Rondon, Fletcher and Gnabry all have different agents so not sure how they can all have the same one as Pulis?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 25, 2016, 05:35:37 PM
Quote from: BB74 on January 25, 2016, 05:24:36 PM
Further to the secret football piece on 'Saido'. What do we think of this?

The chairman knows what is happening. He knows what his manager is doing. He knows that if he gives in and sells the player, then the manager will spend the money.

That’s not an inherently bad thing. His problem is that he knows where that money is going.

He knows that if the manager is given the money, he will only buy players that are brought to the club through his agent and, in the process, he will pocket a wacking great windfall through cuts of the transfer fee that he’ll split with his agent.

The chairman knows this and is digging his heels in. Everybody in football knows this.

The chairman knows that the manager will spend the money for the sake of spending it because he may not be there in the summer, anyway, and he wants as big a slice of that £30 million pie as he can get before he’s gone and a new manager comes in and the opportunity is lost.

And this is the problem that chairmen up and down the country have when they employ managers who they know to be stopgaps themselves.

Those managers go in, make hay while the sun shines, do the best they can tactically and take anything that isn’t nailed down with them when they are inevitably fired and the managerial cycle brings about the return to the club of the five-year-plan manager a year or two later.

At this moment, there is no trust between the club and the manager.

The chairman does not want to give him any proceeds from a sale of the player because he wants to maximise his return.

And the manager is trying every trick in the book to have the player sold by making him sit very publicly on the bench while telling the world what a great lad he is and that, at the moment, he just doesn’t fit into the style and shape of the team.

The problem for the chairman, besides having a very expensive asset sat on the bench that he is neither leveraging financially or benefitting from on the pitch, is that it will look incredibly odd if he sacks his manager now.

The manager has actually done OK for the club and, in terms of results, it is certainly a case of better the devil you know when it comes to securing Premier League status this campaign.

The player will be sold one day, probably in the summer, but my guess is that it won’t be while this manager is in charge.

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/ (http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/)

Interesting read. I agree Pulis wants Berahino gone so he can spend the cash. Ironically if Berahino was at a another club he would probably be trying to buy him. It's hardly a secret Pulis loves to spend cash and sign players.

All I would add is I think it's fairly well known the secret footballer is Dave Kitson who worked with Pulis and didn't have a great time under him at Stoke. Depending on your view that could give his words even greater strength as he knows first hand what Pulis is like in the market, or someone who has a bit of an axe to grind with him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on January 25, 2016, 05:37:27 PM
Keep him till the end of the season, then get rid. He's built a solid core like hodgson did, we need to get a proper manager and not appoint a rookie like we did after hodgson.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 25, 2016, 05:47:05 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:31:12 PM
Simple checks shows that Rondon, Fletcher and Gnabry all have different agents so not sure how they can all have the same one as Pulis?

Agreed, & as far as I know, we still have the same recruitment mechanism in place that was there before Pulis came, with the "Head Coach/Manager" having the final say, so it's difficult to see how Pulis could bring players in under the radar.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 05:50:21 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on January 25, 2016, 05:47:05 PM
Agreed, & as far as I know, we still have the same recruitment mechanism in place that was there before Pulis came, with the "Head Coach/Manager" having the final say, so it's difficult to see how Pulis could bring players in under the radar.

Terry burton and technical director had say on transfers not the head coach until Pulis got terry burton fired.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 25, 2016, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:31:12 PM
Simple checks shows that Rondon, Fletcher and Gnabry all have different agents so not sure how they can all have the same one as Pulis?

Chester has the same agent as Pulis I believe
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:57:12 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on January 25, 2016, 05:55:23 PM
Chester has the same agent as Pulis I believe

Couldn't find out who Chesters was but the others I named are different.

Also given our reluctance as a club to deal with agents, I would be very surprised if Peace wasn't aware of every aspect of the deals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 25, 2016, 06:26:53 PM
Think that article is garbage really. We know that JP is in charge when it comes to dishing out the spending money and there's no way that Pulis would bully him into making all the cash available. They are both strong characters but I think they know where they stand.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 25, 2016, 06:41:49 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 05:50:21 PM
Terry burton and technical director had say on transfers not the head coach until Pulis got terry burton fired.

I think you'll find that Terry Burton & technical director are the same person, if you're refering to Richard Garlick, he's Director of Football Administration.

Terry Burton made recomendations on players & it's a policy of the football club for the Head Coach/Manager to have a the final say on the playing squad. The only time that didn't happen was the period between Pep Mel leaving & Alan Irvine taking up his position, when we didn't have a Head Coach.

There is still a recruitment team, including Richard Garlick, who have to vet the terms of an appointment before any player can come into or leave the club, therefore it would be difficult to see how TP could act unilaterally to bring any players in.

I'm not sure Pulis got Terry Burton fired, I think Terry Burton got Terry Burton fired, he was no doubt a very good coach, but like the Head Coach he recomended, didn't have the charisma needed for the role of  Technical Director.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 25, 2016, 06:59:13 PM
Quote from: Adder on January 25, 2016, 06:26:53 PM
Think that article is garbage really. We know that JP is in charge when it comes to dishing out the spending money and there's no way that Pulis would bully him into making all the cash available. They are both strong characters but I think they know where they stand.
Utter garbage.  In the information age, no-one would risk that kind of game, and managers are paid a fortune now, not like when the "brown paper bag" on the M5 would boost Cloughie's pension, and, being careful about libel laws, that of a certain diamond geezer who gives interviews out of car windows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 25, 2016, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: BB74 on January 25, 2016, 05:24:36 PM
Further to the secret football piece on 'Saido'. What do we think of this?

The chairman knows what is happening. He knows what his manager is doing. He knows that if he gives in and sells the player, then the manager will spend the money.

That’s not an inherently bad thing. His problem is that he knows where that money is going.

He knows that if the manager is given the money, he will only buy players that are brought to the club through his agent and, in the process, he will pocket a wacking great windfall through cuts of the transfer fee that he’ll split with his agent.

The chairman knows this and is digging his heels in. Everybody in football knows this.

The chairman knows that the manager will spend the money for the sake of spending it because he may not be there in the summer, anyway, and he wants as big a slice of that £30 million pie as he can get before he’s gone and a new manager comes in and the opportunity is lost.

And this is the problem that chairmen up and down the country have when they employ managers who they know to be stopgaps themselves.

Those managers go in, make hay while the sun shines, do the best they can tactically and take anything that isn’t nailed down with them when they are inevitably fired and the managerial cycle brings about the return to the club of the five-year-plan manager a year or two later.

At this moment, there is no trust between the club and the manager.

The chairman does not want to give him any proceeds from a sale of the player because he wants to maximise his return.

And the manager is trying every trick in the book to have the player sold by making him sit very publicly on the bench while telling the world what a great lad he is and that, at the moment, he just doesn’t fit into the style and shape of the team.

The problem for the chairman, besides having a very expensive asset sat on the bench that he is neither leveraging financially or benefitting from on the pitch, is that it will look incredibly odd if he sacks his manager now.

The manager has actually done OK for the club and, in terms of results, it is certainly a case of better the devil you know when it comes to securing Premier League status this campaign.

The player will be sold one day, probably in the summer, but my guess is that it won’t be while this manager is in charge.

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/ (http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/)

Is that not what Harry's dog tired to do and found him self being interviewed by the police.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 25, 2016, 07:07:41 PM
By inference the article is plainly us it really doesn't fit any other player's current situation other than Saido's. The secret footballer is rumoured to be Dave Kitson but it equally it might not be him and I am not sure whether that would make it more or less credible.

Given the complexity of the transfer deals and the various points at which agents can insert themselves into deals (Saido hasn't got a formal agent at the moment) the relationships between the various parties might be as clear as mud. All that said Peace is nobody's fool and it is hard to imagine him cutting this particular deal with the devil. Unless he thought Pulis was a necessary evil to keep us up until he sold the club and wasn't planning on being around if the things got messy.

In the context of this story I find it interesting that  Pulis left Palace over transfers which has never been explained in any detail and given the money Palace have since spent it is not obvious that it was due to the ownership's parsimony.

My gut feeling on this is if it is true Pulis won't be around for long.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 25, 2016, 07:32:38 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 25, 2016, 07:07:41 PM
All that said Peace is nobody's fool and it is hard to imagine him cutting this particular deal with the devil. Unless he thought Pulis was a necessary evil to keep us up until he sold the club and wasn't planning on being around if the things got messy.

I suspect you have hit the nail on the head with that one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 25, 2016, 07:38:11 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 25, 2016, 07:07:41 PM
By inference the article is plainly us it really doesn't fit any other player's current situation other than Saido's. The secret footballer is rumoured to be Dave Kitson but it equally it might not be him and I am not sure whether that would make it more or less credible.

Given the complexity of the transfer deals and the various points at which agents can insert themselves into deals (Saido hasn't got a formal agent at the moment) the relationships between the various parties might be as clear as mud. All that said Peace is nobody's fool and it is hard to imagine him cutting this particular deal with the devil. Unless he thought Pulis was a necessary evil to keep us up until he sold the club and wasn't planning on being around if the things got messy.

In the context of this story I find it interesting that  Pulis left Palace over transfers which has never been explained in any detail and given the money Palace have since spent it is not obvious that it was due to the ownership's parsimony.

My gut feeling on this is if it is true Pulis won't be around for long.

The Crystal Palace situation. The James Chester situation. Something does seem amiss. I'm incredibly reticent to believe any kind of conspiracy theory or support anything without substantial evidence but I do think there could be something to all this. They'll be intense scrutiny now surrounding all of Pulis' transfer dealings. I certainly won't be too despondent if he does depart this summer. Long term he will hurt this club and I believe Peace knows this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 25, 2016, 07:58:42 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on January 25, 2016, 07:38:11 PM
The Crystal Palace situation. The James Chester situation. Something does seem amiss. I'm incredibly reticent to believe any kind of conspiracy theory or support anything without substantial evidence but I do think there could be something to all this. They'll be intense scrutiny now surrounding all of Pulis' transfer dealings. I certainly won't be too despondent if he does depart this summer. Long term he will hurt this club and I believe Peace knows this.

The case with Palace is interesting.  He was entitled to a £1m bonus for keeping them up in the May, which seems pretty straightforward.   He then left in the August after a transfer row when the chairman refused him certain signings.  Palace are now refusing to pay his bonus but there are no obvious grounds for not doing so unless they have "concerns" two years on.  Do we know who the agent was of the players who he was not allowed to sign?



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 25, 2016, 08:02:43 PM
Just saw this from the Guardian posted on Twitter.  15 years old but.....

Football
Pulis tried to 'blackmail' chairman
Court told that Gillingham manager wanted to harm the club
Paul Kelso
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The former Gillingham manager Tony Pulis concocted a "monstrous plot" to blackmail the club's chairman Paul Scally out of £200,000 using confidential documents stolen from the club, the high court heard yesterday.

Pulis confronted Scally on May 26 1999, four days before the biggest game in the club's history, the Second Division play-off final against Manchester City, and demanded that the chairman pay him the money which Pulis believed he was owed in goodwill payments, bonuses and his share of the sale of players.

During the meeting, which took place in a stand at the Priestfield stadium, Pulis produced a document from the front of his shorts which, he alleged, showed financial irregularities relating to a game against Wycombe Wanderers.

If Scally did not pay him, it was alleged, Pulis threatened to take these documents and others to the football authorities, the police and the press. Pulis, who denies the blackmail plot, also told Scally he would be leaving the club the day after the Wembley play-off, which Gillingham lost on penalties.

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Giving evidence on the third day of his wrongful dismissal suit against the club, Pulis said he was "angry and frustrated" after hearing on the morning of May 26 that £62,000 he had been paid in lieu of changes to his contract had been withdrawn from his pension fund. In addition to the £62,000, Pulis said he was owed around £140,000 from the sale of Ade Akinbiyi, James Corbett and Iffy Onuora, making a rough total of £200,000.

Pulis told the court that shortly after hearing the £62,000 had been withdrawn Maurice Saffery, an accounts clerk at Gillingham, came to his office carrying a briefcase and a brown envelope containing the documents. "Maurice Saffery told me that Paul Scally was misappropriating funds through gate receipts and other ways," Pulis told the court.

Pulis said he was furious and took the document from the brown envelope and sought out Scally. "We stood in a row of spectator seats in the stand on the far side of the pitch," Pulis said under cross-examination by Nicholas Mostyn QC, representing Gillingham.

"I asked him," 'Are you not paying me the money because the club is in trouble?'" Pulis then produced a nine-page document marked Wycombe Wanderers from his shorts. He had put it there he said because he had no pockets.

The court was read part of a statement made by Scally in which he said: "He told me if I didn't pay him £200,000 he said he had a suitcase of stuff he would give to the police and inland revenue. I remember thinking, 'I need this like a hole in the head'. The biggest game in the club's history was four days away."

Later that day, Pulis said, he took the briefcase to Norman Hayward, a family friend who was chairman of AFC Bournemouth when Pulis was manager at the club. He said he did this because he did not know where else to take the documents. Hayward passed them to Roy Pack, a self-styled investigator of alleged corruption in football. Asked why he had taken them to Hayward and not the Football League, Pulis said: "I took them to people I thought could deal with it."

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In fact, said Mr Mostyn, Pulis was motivated by greed and a desire to cause as much harm as possible to Scally and Gillingham. "Your story is a pack of lies," said Mr Mostyn. "There was a sordid conspiracy between you, Mr Hayward and Mr Pack, to blackmail Mr Scally, sell the story to the tabloids and to damage the club badly.

"It was naked blackmail and you set it up with the theft and concocted it with Mr Pack and Mr Hayward. That's the truth isn't it?" Pulis denied this. The court heard that the day before the meeting in the stand Pulis had spoken four times with Hayward on his mobile phone.

Mr Mostyn said that far from receiving the documents from Saffery, Pulis stole the documents. Saffery would deny any involvement, the court heard.

Pulis gave them to Hayward because he knew his former boss had a grudge against Scally. After AFC Bournemouth went into administration in January 1997 Hayward launched a bid, assisted by Pack, to win back control of the club. The Football League Commission, of which Scally was then a member, rejected their bid. "You knew, did you not, that Mr Scally was instrumental in having that bid rejected?," Mr Mostyn asked. Pulis denied this.

On receiving the documents Pack, who is acting as a consultant to Pulis in this case, took them to the publicist Max Clifford who sold them to the Daily Mail. A copy was also sent to the FA, which took no action. Clifford then tipped off the Daily Express about the documents, the court heard. "It's a monstrous situation that they [the documents] are being peddled up and down Grub Street," said Mr Mostyn.

Pulis denied accusing Scally of using club money to build an extension and swimming pool at his Kent home, and of buying cars for his wife and son and a Harley Davidson with club funds. He also denied making allegations of financial irregularities concerning the building company Dunning & Carter, which is carrying out work on a new stand and offices at the Priestfield stadium and at Scally's home. He also denied having clandestinely arranged to join Bristol City as soon as he had left Gillingham.

He agreed with Mr Mostyn's statement that, were the allegations against him true, "it would be as gross and grave a misconduct as it is possible to imagine."

Pulis also admitted he had lied about how he received the documents when he said in a statement to his solicitors that they had been passed to him anonymously. He also admitted lying when he was asked to return "all club property" at the termination of his contract. He said he had nothing other than a car and a mobile phone, when he knew his consultant, Pack, had the documents.

The case continues.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2016, 08:03:46 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on January 25, 2016, 07:38:11 PM
Long term he will hurt this club and I believe Peace knows this.

Long term Peace won't care. He knows he's got a man in charge who will keep the club up, allowing him access to the millions whilst he carries on his mission to sell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 25, 2016, 08:54:22 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 01:08:49 PM
Widely known by whom? Or was it something you read in the express and dingle or on facebook?

Not one person can say on here what happens in that training ground its all hearsay and my mate said this and that.
But some can back up that Mel wasn't turning up, nor was RDM but that's a different story..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 09:00:27 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on January 25, 2016, 08:54:22 PM
But some can back up that Mel wasn't turning up, nor was RDM but that's a different story..

Like who? I haven't seen any evidence. Until i do im not going to believe it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 25, 2016, 09:13:31 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 09:00:27 PM
Like who? I haven't seen any evidence. Until i do im not going to believe it.
nowt wrong with that, I don't believe in ghosts.....but really there are plenty on here that get or see different bits, sometimes all is not as it seems.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2016, 09:25:57 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on January 25, 2016, 09:13:31 PM
nowt wrong with that, I don't believe in ghosts.....but really there are plenty on here that get or see different bits, sometimes all is not as it seems.

And the only one who is actually respected on here refused to renew his season ticket because of the treatment Mel got..

All smokes and mirrors..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:17:32 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2016, 09:25:57 PM
And the only one who is actually respected on here refused to renew his season ticket because of the treatment Mel got..

All smokes and mirrors..

Love you too  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 25, 2016, 11:05:25 PM
I cannot believe what is going on on this forum. Not content with rubbishing TP as our Head Coach, we are now entering the character assignation phase. Why not just feckin hang him and be done with it. What have we become?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 25, 2016, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on January 25, 2016, 11:05:25 PM
I cannot believe what is going on on this forum. Not content with rubbishing TP as our Head Coach, we are now entering the character assignation phase. Why not just feckin hang him and be done with it. What have we become?
only if its by his gnads, I want him to suffer as much I did watching that Saturday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 25, 2016, 11:38:38 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2016, 08:03:46 PM
Long term Peace won't care. He knows he's got a man in charge who will keep the club up, allowing him access to the millions whilst he carries on his mission to sell.

I get your point, but it will be interesting to see how it pans out.

This summer we've spent a lot of money for us, an uncharacteristic amount. Now, with the new TV money buffer, it is covered somewhat and can be written off. But what happens when Pulis asks for even more with this in mind, even though a lot of the money has been wasted (albeit some of it has been spent well).

As you may have gathered already, I am actually a fan of Pulis and his role at the club right now, I think he's exactly as I expected before he got the job. However, my point is that if Peace cannot sell and sees a semi-long-term future at the club (like the last time he failed to sell), then I think he and Pulis will eventually fall out.

In short, I think if push came to shove, Peace would choose risking the sacking of Pulis to save money if Pulis wanted big money to spend on a yearly basis. It will be very interesting to see in the summer what happens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: A5HB on January 25, 2016, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on January 25, 2016, 07:58:42 PM
The case with Palace is interesting.  He was entitled to a £1m bonus for keeping them up in the May, which seems pretty straightforward.   He then left in the August after a transfer row when the chairman refused him certain signings.  Palace are now refusing to pay his bonus but there are no obvious grounds for not doing so unless they have "concerns" two years on.  Do we know who the agent was of the players who he was not allowed to sign?
The issue with the bonus at Palace is because he requested it be paid early before he fulfilled the original terms. It was reportedly due to him for securing survival provided he stayed in charge for the start of the following season. Pulis asked for them to pay the bonus early ahead of the new season and promptly left before the first game. Presumably the early payment was still based on the original terms which he obviously didn't meet by leaving early, appears to be one of the more plausible reasons for Palace to try to claim the money back. That's how it has been reported but as with anything like this it will be quite a complicated and drawn out legal process. All the reports are based on speculation as well of course.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 25, 2016, 11:58:17 PM
Quote from: A5HB on January 25, 2016, 11:46:53 PM
It was reportedly due to him for securing survival provided he stayed in charge for the start of the following season. Pulis asked for them to pay the bonus early ahead of the new season and promptly left before the first game.

He and his agent messed up with the negotiations on that one.

Had 'em by the short and curlies when he walked in there.

Should have insisted on payment within a week of the end of the season.
Month at the latest.

It was the equivalent of a production bonus, not a loyalty payment.

I doubt he made the same mistake when he came to the Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 26, 2016, 12:20:44 AM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on January 26, 2016, 12:04:56 AM
I was thinking could it be Jack Grealish?

Don't think Grealish has been around long enough. I know Dave Kitson is heavily rumoured to be the one but at times I think it could be more than one person.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on January 26, 2016, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 26, 2016, 12:20:44 AM
Don't think Grealish has been around long enough. I know Dave Kitson is heavily rumoured to be the one but at times I think it could be more than one person.
wasnt David James meant to be one of the secret football writers as well as Kitson? Or was that just another rumour.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on January 26, 2016, 12:48:20 AM
Always surprises me how people believe that managers and players should have some sort of loyalty to football clubs. Granted there are players like Steven Gerard and John Terry who have turned down big money to remain at their clubs but football is a business, players like many of us want what's financially best for themselves and their families. Call it greed or just common sense but they are not fans. TP is certainly not a fan, he is a seasoned manager who probably has another couple of clubs left in him, he will improve his cv with us and move on and good luck to him. It hurts more with SB because we have developed him into what he is today however he is not a fan, he did his apprenticeship with us and wants to better himself, we have also benefited from hi over the years.

Don't get me wrong it's apart. Of the game I don't like, money money money however it's the modern game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 26, 2016, 01:55:33 AM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on January 26, 2016, 12:04:56 AM
I was thinking could it be Jack Grealish?

I've just re-read with Grealish in mind and it doesn't fit, especially re the role of the manager.   Garde doesn't fit the description at all, not least re timing and tenure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 26, 2016, 08:05:27 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on January 25, 2016, 11:38:38 PM
I get your point, but it will be interesting to see how it pans out.

This summer we've spent a lot of money for us, an uncharacteristic amount. Now, with the new TV money buffer, it is covered somewhat and can be written off. But what happens when Pulis asks for even more with this in mind, even though a lot of the money has been wasted (albeit some of it has been spent well).

As you may have gathered already, I am actually a fan of Pulis and his role at the club right now, I think he's exactly as I expected before he got the job. However, my point is that if Peace cannot sell and sees a semi-long-term future at the club (like the last time he failed to sell), then I think he and Pulis will eventually fall out.

In short, I think if push came to shove, Peace would choose risking the sacking of Pulis to save money if Pulis wanted big money to spend on a yearly basis. It will be very interesting to see in the summer what happens.

Peace ripped up his long term model to employ Pulis which, in my opinion, was to try and ensure that in the short term he maintained our Premier League status and he could achieve his goal of selling the club.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11171601/Jeremy-Peaces-incredible-journey-at-the-Hawthorns-as-West-Bromwich-Albion-chairman.html

If the prospects of our sale are disappearing I suspect we may return to this model which does not appear to be suited towards Tony Pulis as he doesn't seem prepared to work with our existing squad. It is all about the money and under his management the value of our primary assets (our players) appears to have significantly diminished. We have internationals on our books that we can not give away and have spent significant amounts on players that he has approved that now sit on our bench or don't.

If Peace does manage to sell, who knows what the model will be. If he doesn't, then this interview, the suggestion of mistrust in the article by the secret footballer and Pulis historical need for spending money might suggest his tenure could be short term.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 26, 2016, 08:28:19 AM
"Statistics have not really been Pulis's friend, with recent Opta figures highlighting the fact that the team complete fewer passes than almost any other Premier League side while invariably unleashing a higher percentage of long balls. They regularly record the fewest shots on target of any top division team."

Nothing surprising or new in the above of course, except that it was written about Stoke at the time Pulis was sacked, so the above was the culmination of his 7 years at the club. No doubt he spent years telling the Stoke players to get forward more only to be ignored as well.

Rather ironically, the article went on:

"An attendant dependence on securing points from set-pieces rather than open play contrasted unfavourably with the much more fluid, inventive football practised by lower-budget teams such as Swansea City, West Bromwich Albion, and Norwich City.....It will also have been observed that, in a large first-team squad, well-paid individuals such as Cameron Jerome, Wilson Palacios, Jermaine Pennant, Matthew Upson, Maurice Edu, Michael Owen and Thomas Sorensen barely managed a handful of appearances between them all season. ."

Source: Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/21/tony-pulis-sacking-stoke)

So is our playing style now largely because of Pulis inheriting a poor squad and not having had sufficient time to sort it out yet, or is it more due to the way he goes about things wherever he's manager?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 26, 2016, 08:34:29 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on January 26, 2016, 08:28:19 AM
"Statistics have not really been Pulis's friend, with recent Opta figures highlighting the fact that the team complete fewer passes than almost any other Premier League side while invariably unleashing a higher percentage of long balls. They regularly record the fewest shots on target of any top division team."

Nothing surprising or new in the above of course, except that it was written about Stoke at the time Pulis was sacked, so the above was the culmination of his 7 years at the club. No doubt he spent years telling the Stoke players to get forward more only to be ignored as well.

Rather ironically, the article went on:

"An attendant dependence on securing points from set-pieces rather than open play contrasted unfavourably with the much more fluid, inventive football practised by lower-budget teams such as Swansea City, West Bromwich Albion, and Norwich City.....It will also have been observed that, in a large first-team squad, well-paid individuals such as Cameron Jerome, Wilson Palacios, Jermaine Pennant, Matthew Upson, Maurice Edu, Michael Owen and Thomas Sorensen barely managed a handful of appearances between them all season. ."

Source: Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/21/tony-pulis-sacking-stoke)

So is our playing style now largely because of Pulis inheriting a poor squad and not having had sufficient time to sort it out yet, or is it more due to the way he goes about things wherever he's manager?

So he signs players on high wages and doesnt play them?

When you look at his wiki page the names that are mentioned barely kicked a ball in anger for stoke but just sat taking their money.

It all seems to be falling into place, pulis last season at stoke the chairman couldn't take the dross anymore that was being served up. I long for that day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 26, 2016, 08:48:27 AM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2016, 08:03:46 PM
Long term Peace won't care. He knows he's got a man in charge who will keep the club up, allowing him access to the millions whilst he carries on his mission to sell.

I would agree but the sale has disappeared over the far horizon Peace has to live with his short term fix and the negatives that it brings. I can't see Peace being very happy with a manager playing silly buggers with the club's assets. It will be interesting to see how things pan out over the next few months

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on January 26, 2016, 09:40:40 AM
 The biggest asset of all is premier league survival more so than ever this time around and we are a long way from guaranteeing that indeed i fear we could be really struggling come the end of the season. I see only 2 teams that are definitely worse than us all of the others from ourselves down either seem better or have the potential within them to be better than ourselves and realistically i just cant see where the minimum of 10 points are going to come from without at least 2 additions to the squad over the next week. :( :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 27, 2016, 02:59:48 PM
Unless he changes his set up and gives our forwards some service, we will continue to struggle to score goals.
Even Jeff Astle needed crosses and passes.
He would have been starved of those if Pulis was in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on January 27, 2016, 03:18:41 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on January 27, 2016, 02:59:48 PM
Unless he changes his set up and gives our forwards some service, we will continue to struggle to score goals.
Even Jeff Astle needed crosses and passes.
He would have been starved of those if Pulis was in charge.

if you dont score goals you dont win matches!!!!

finally i think people are realising that this manager is not good for our football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 27, 2016, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 27, 2016, 03:18:41 PM
if you dont score goals you dont win matches!!!!

finally i think people are realising that this manager is not good for our football club.

Someone else posted a while back that the teams that go down are the ones that concede the most. Very little correlation with low scoring sides in comparison. For any of the bottom 13 a good defence is the priority.

As a point of proof Liverpool scored over 100 goals the season they finished 2nd but conceded 50 goals. It cost them the title. That same season the 3 relegated teams conceded the most goals.

Last season QPR and Hull scored more goals than 3 and 2 none relegated teams respectively but still went down
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 27, 2016, 03:39:18 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on January 27, 2016, 03:18:41 PM
if you dont score goals you dont win matches!!!!

finally i think people are realising that this manager is not good for our football club.

And if you let in more than you score you still don't win. Had that before haven't we ?

You have to build from somewhere, takes time.

Time will tell if this manager is good for this club, at the moment jury's out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 27, 2016, 06:32:24 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 27, 2016, 03:39:18 PM
And if you let in more than you score you still don't win. Had that before haven't we ?

You have to build from somewhere, takes time.

Time will tell if this manager is good for this club, at the moment jury's out.

I think the point stands, you cant win a game if you dont score.

You can either draw or lose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 27, 2016, 06:45:24 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 27, 2016, 06:32:24 PM
I think the point stands, you cant win a game if you dont score.

You can either draw or lose.

You can still lose if you score also. Pepe Mel scored a fair few goals but only had a 17% win rate to show for it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 27, 2016, 06:50:40 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 27, 2016, 06:45:24 PM
You can still lose if you score also. Pepe Mel scored a fair few goals but only had a 17% win rate to show for it.

I still get nightmares about our defence under Mel.  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on January 27, 2016, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: Legend on January 27, 2016, 06:50:40 PM
I still get nightmares about our defence under Mel.  :o

I still have nightmares about our entire set up under Irvine.  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on January 27, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
Our defending isn't brilliant,we have to throw almost every player in defence mode,and hope they don't concede as of late there is no plan b usually.
Hodgson was the master of defending,whilst still offering a threat in attack.
I used to sometimes criticize his tactics,especially some of the home games,but admit I was wrong about how he was slowly making the team a regular Prem club,instead of the Yo Yo cub we had become.
Now we are the Club everyone hates,tagged as boring and the new Stoke mk2,a Manager who is labelled as Anti Football.
I hate what is happening to the Club I love,I wish every morning there is breaking news of Pulis walking out,but its never to be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 27, 2016, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 27, 2016, 06:32:24 PM
I think the point stands, you cant win a game if you dont score.

You can either draw or lose.

Norwich scored 4 on Saturday and still lost.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 27, 2016, 07:56:45 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 27, 2016, 06:32:24 PM
I think the point stands, you cant win a game if you dont score.

You can either draw or lose.

You can if the opposition score for you, and we have!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 27, 2016, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 27, 2016, 07:46:21 PM
Norwich scored 4 on Saturday and still lost.

I think its still a true point though.

If you score no goals you cant physically win a game of football.

If you score a goal, you can lose, draw or win.

If you dont score you can draw or lose. But never win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 27, 2016, 08:07:54 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 27, 2016, 07:58:36 PM
I think its still a true point though.

If you score no goals you cant physically win a game of football.

If you score a goal, you can lose, draw or win.

If you dont score you can draw or lose. But never win.

I don't dispute its hard to win a game without a shot on target, if I wanted to be pedantic then yes you can, we beat Arsenal 2-1 with one shot on target as an example

I'd love us to be banging shots in from all over the pitch and struggle to understand at times why players don't take the responsibility and have a dig when they can. Its nothing new though despite some making it to be a Pulis type thing, we've been doing it for a while, players passing it on or having an extra touch instead of just banging the thing at goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2016, 08:30:18 PM
Quote from: Aztech on January 27, 2016, 07:02:21 PM
I still have nightmares about our entire set up under Irvine.  :o
And he used to be criticised for being too negative.  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2016, 08:37:07 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 27, 2016, 07:46:21 PM
Norwich scored 4 on Saturday and still lost.
And whilst they lost, the confidence that they will take forward to their next game having scored 4 against a supposed top 6 club will probably be greater than the confidence of our team having failed to secure a shot on target against the team cut adrift at the bottom of the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 27, 2016, 09:08:16 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2016, 08:37:07 PM
And whilst they lost, the confidence that they will take forward to their next game having scored 4 against a supposed top 6 club will probably be greater than the confidence of our team having failed to secure a shot on target against the team cut adrift at the bottom of the table.
Not really...to score 4 and lose is horrendous, and to lose in the last minute after a late goal could be soul crushing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 27, 2016, 09:08:25 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 27, 2016, 08:07:54 PM
I don't dispute its hard to win a game without a shot on target, if I wanted to be pedantic then yes you can, we beat Arsenal 2-1 with one shot on target as an example

I'd love us to be banging shots in from all over the pitch and struggle to understand at times why players don't take the responsibility and have a dig when they can. Its nothing new though despite some making it to be a Pulis type thing, we've been doing it for a while, players passing it on or having an extra touch instead of just banging the thing at goal.

I would argue thats its a Tony Pulis thing to set up to have minimal shots on target.

You could put down previous lack of attempts down to us just not being very good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 27, 2016, 09:19:52 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 27, 2016, 09:08:25 PM
I would argue thats its a Tony Pulis thing to set up to have minimal shots on target.

You could put down previous lack of attempts down to us just not being very good.

So why can it not be put down to us not being very good when some of the same players are still here ?

I doubt Tony Pulis tells our players not to shoot in order to preserve a possible 0-0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 27, 2016, 09:24:12 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2016, 08:37:07 PM
And whilst they lost, the confidence that they will take forward to their next game having scored 4 against a supposed top 6 club will probably be greater than the confidence of our team having failed to secure a shot on target against the team cut adrift at the bottom of the table.

How joyful it was to score 2 at places like Reading and QPR only to come away with a 3-2 defeat. I bet Norwich players were absolutely gutted to be 3-1 up at home and get beat 5-4.

I bet our players whilst disappointed not to test the villa keeper will be pleased with getting a point despite a poor performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 27, 2016, 09:27:17 PM
254 pages and the Pulis debate rages on. I doubt we will ever have agreement on him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 27, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
Quote from: frazzle on January 27, 2016, 09:27:17 PM
254 pages and the Pulis debate rages on. I doubt we will ever have agreement on him.

The worst thing is it won't even stop when he's gone. If we do well without him those that dislike him will be on here saying I told you so and if we do poorly those that are behind him will do the same, we have no real middle ground.

For me I'm 50-50 when it comes to him and have been since he was appointed. I don't believe we have been as bad as a lot have made out, its very frustrating at times but I do believe this squad needs major surgery done to it after such poor recruitment in the previous couple of years. Then my issue is that I'm not sure I trust Pulis to get the right players in, how we can spend good money on someone like Chester to play him in an unfamiliar position and then bomb him out after he realised he can't actually play there is a disgrace to be frank about it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2016, 10:20:16 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 27, 2016, 09:24:12 PM
How joyful it was to score 2 at places like Reading and QPR only to come away with a 3-2 defeat. I bet Norwich players were absolutely gutted to be 3-1 up at home and get beat 5-4.

I bet our players whilst disappointed not to test the villa keeper will be pleased with getting a point despite a poor performance.

Difference between supporters and players.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 27, 2016, 10:49:25 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2016, 10:20:16 PM
Difference between supporters and players.  ;)
Difference between the payers and the paid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 27, 2016, 10:56:14 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2016, 10:20:16 PM
Difference between supporters and players.  ;)

Supporters support the club regardless of who the manager is and give credit when its due as well as criticism when thats due. I was no fan of the previous bloke but gave credit on the occasions it was justified.

Players are paid to do a job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 27, 2016, 10:56:20 PM
Squad isn't good enough. We have failed to upgrade on that team we had in the first season under di Matteo. We haven't got as good a goal scorer as odemwinvie, we don't have as good a target man as Marc fortune. Fletcher doesn't offer as much on the pitch as scharner did. Yacob although better at breaking up play isn't as mobile as Mulumbu was. We lack any actual fullbacks. Centre half Evans is the best we have had for a log time. Gmac and Olsson are still there....

That's the crux of it.
Add a negative manager to the fold who wastes money so our notoriously tight owner won't trust him any further money= WBA current situation 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 28, 2016, 07:53:19 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on January 27, 2016, 10:56:14 PM
Supporters support the club regardless of who the manager is and give credit when its due as well as criticism when thats due. I was no fan of the previous bloke but gave credit on the occasions it was justified.

Players are paid to do a job.

So you agree that, as professionals, the players of Norwich will not be affected by the emotion of losing a close game to top six contenders but will take the positive from the knowledge that they have the ability to score four goals against them?

I've always given Pulis credit for his ability to grind out results whilst managing to stifle enjoyment and entertainment   :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 28, 2016, 09:55:20 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on January 28, 2016, 07:53:19 AM
So you agree that, as professionals, the players of Norwich will not be affected by the emotion of losing a close game to top six contenders but will take the positive from the knowledge that they have the ability to score four goals against them?

I've always given Pulis credit for his ability to grind out results whilst managing to stifle enjoyment and entertainment   :D

Not sure i've said I agree at all, can't be doing that, wouldn't be right would it if we agreed  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 28, 2016, 10:03:50 AM
From experience, when Albion lose but play well and/ or score a few it's even more worrying because if you can't win when playing well and scoring goals then you're very unlikely to win playing average or badly.

Fact is, Roy and Pulis both know how to grind out results when the team isn't playing well. The reason for not playing well might well be the manager's approach of course!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on January 28, 2016, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on January 27, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
The worst thing is it won't even stop when he's gone. If we do well without him those that dislike him will be on here saying I told you so and if we do poorly those that are behind him will do the same, we have no real middle ground.

To be fair this kind of thing started a long time ago, there are a lot of people still trying to score points over Tony Mowbray, and certainly plenty on here who backed Irvine because of their dislike for Mel and vice versa.

Hopefully one day Peace might actually make a decent appointment that unites the fans, I can't see it though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 28, 2016, 12:11:30 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on January 27, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
Then my issue is that I'm not sure I trust Pulis to get the right players in, how we can spend good money on someone like Chester to play him in an unfamiliar position and then bomb him out after he realised he can't actually play there is a disgrace to be frank about it.
Apparently James Chester has the same agent as Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 28, 2016, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 28, 2016, 12:11:30 PM
Apparently James Chester has the same agent as Tony Pulis.

I have seen this one doing the rounds but I am yet to see any links to prove it.

Further to this, it's my understanding that Richard Garlick is responsible for the finer details of transfer negotitaions.

Do you know any different?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 28, 2016, 12:46:01 PM
Some of our fans would be happy with 38 0-0 draws, because 38 points would probably keep us up.

That is the most depressing sentence I have ever had to write, but hey... it's a results business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 28, 2016, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on January 28, 2016, 12:23:52 PM
I have seen this one doing the rounds but I am yet to see any links to prove it.

Further to this, it's my understanding that Richard Garlick is responsible for the finer details of transfer negotitaions.

Do you know any different?
Think it's common knowledge that Pulis has final say on transfers not Richard Garlick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on January 28, 2016, 12:53:41 PM
We could never appoint a "good manager" previously as the set up was broken. Pulis coming in has changed that and it needed someone to do it. In many ways I admire Peace but I would argue he's as much the problem as the solution.
On a side note the Everton fans seem pretty happy with Martinez ;) I guess you can want your manager out no matter what style of football you play :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on January 28, 2016, 12:54:54 PM
The only way Pulis will go is if the players lose faith and that's not going to happen any time soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 28, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on January 28, 2016, 12:53:41 PM
We could never appoint a "good manager" previously as the set up was broken. Pulis coming in has changed that and it needed someone to do it. In many ways I admire Peace but I would argue he's as much the problem as the solution.
On a side note the Everton fans seem pretty happy with Martinez ;) I guess you can want your manager out no matter what style of football you play :)

In fairness to the Everton fans, they have a fantastic squad and are below watford and palace and in a very poor run at the moment (16th). They have a right to be concerned / frustrated IMO. I think Kenwright is a bloke who will give Martinez time though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 28, 2016, 01:00:07 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 28, 2016, 12:47:28 PM
Think it's common knowledge that Pulis has final say on transfers not Richard Garlick.

I never mentioned anything about final say, I stated "finer details of transfer negotitaions".

The reason for this is that the previous links to sharing the same agent relate to the rumours of financial wrong doing.

I am asking if you have any links as to whether they share the same agent please, which you yourself stated to be so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 28, 2016, 01:00:36 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on January 28, 2016, 12:54:54 PM
The only way Pulis will go is if the players lose faith and that's not going to happen any time soon.
Of course not, there's only 14 of them to choose from so they are virtually assured a game if fit. Plus Sick Vic who is happy to play once every 3 months, must be a very happy camp if you are in the inner circle. The ones outside of that hold no sway whatsoever, so the chances of a player revolt are remote to say the least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 28, 2016, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 28, 2016, 12:47:28 PM
Think it's common knowledge that Pulis has final say on transfers not Richard Garlick.

In support of SmethDan, I think you'll find that TP has the right to say NO to additions or subtractions from his squad, but it's Richard Garlick who has the responsibility for drawing up and agreeing the contract.
Also, it's Richard Garlick who is responsible for controlling the budget. It's always been that way.
There is a management team in there, designed to make decision making as accurate as possible, & I would imagine that there has to be an audit trail, for inspection at least by HMRC & possibly the EPL & FA.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 28, 2016, 01:05:17 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on January 28, 2016, 01:00:07 PM
I never mentioned anything about final say, I stated "finer details of transfer negotitaions".

The reason for this is that the previous links to sharing the same agent relate to the rumours of financial wrong doing.

I am asking if you have any links as to whether they share the same agent please, which you yourself stated to be so.
I said 'apparently' as I have read it on other forums, have you any links to the contrary?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 28, 2016, 01:05:42 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 28, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
In fairness to the Everton fans, they have a fantastic squad and are below watford and palace and in a very poor run at the moment (16th). They have a right to be concerned / frustrated IMO. I think Kenwright is a bloke who will give Martinez time though.

Martinez has made a rod for his own back.

Some of it is obviously meant to bump up transfer prices, but he has stated on several occasions that Stones is one of the best ball playing centre half's in the world; Barkley is one of the best young attacking midfielders in world football and Lukaku is one of the most exciting strikers in the world.

With  a spine to his team such as that you would indeed expect them to be higher up the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 28, 2016, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on January 28, 2016, 01:04:21 PM
In support of SmethDan, I think you'll find that TP has the right to say NO to additions or subtractions from his squad, but it's Richard Garlick who has the responsibility for drawing up and agreeing the contract.
Also, it's Richard Garlick who is responsible for controlling the budget. It's always been that way.
There is a management team in there, designed to make decision making as accurate as possible, & I would imagine that there has to be an audit trail, for inspection at least by HMRC & possibly the EPL & FA.
Never said anything to suggest that this wasn't the case.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 28, 2016, 01:10:04 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 28, 2016, 01:05:17 PM
I said 'apparently' as I have read it on other forums, have you any links to the contrary?

Are they the forums that said Pulis is never at the training ground and Gamboa will be the first choice winger?  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 28, 2016, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 28, 2016, 01:05:17 PM
I said 'apparently' as I have read it on other forums, have you any links to the contrary?

Please excuse me.
I admit that I didn't notice the 'apparently' bit.
Was that a quick edit  ;)?
However, you seem quite happy to continue this theme without any apparent proof.

I don't need to find a link to anything as I am not the one saying it to be so.
So, did you look for any links when you read these rumours?

Just wondering because I did check for links (all be it quickly) when I first read the rumours but couldn't find anything.

Over to you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 28, 2016, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on January 28, 2016, 01:13:37 PM
Please excuse me.
I admit that I didn't notice the 'apparently' bit.
Was that a quick edit  ;)?
However, you seem quite happy to continue this theme without any apparent proof.

I don't need to find a link to anything as I am not the one saying it to be so.
So, did you look for any links when you read these rumours?

Just wondering because I did check for links (all be it quickly) when I first read the rumours but couldn't find anything.

Over to you.
Promise there was no edit  8)
You are right I haven't found any links to backup claims on other forums, although a LinkdIn account has been linked elsewhere but with not having an account myself I am unable to view it. I would add that it does seem very difficult to find any information on any player or manager representation but I'll keep looking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 28, 2016, 01:43:40 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on January 28, 2016, 01:34:15 PM
Promise there was no edit  8)
You are right I haven't found any links to backup claims on other forums, although a LinkdIn account has been linked elsewhere but with not having an account myself I am unable to view it. I would add that it does seem very difficult to find any information on any player or manager representation but I'll keep looking.

Fair play Signor M, happy trails.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 28, 2016, 03:34:25 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on January 28, 2016, 01:05:42 PM
Martinez has made a rod for his own back.

Some of it is obviously meant to bump up transfer prices, but he has stated on several occasions that Stones is one of the best ball playing centre half's in the world; Barkley is one of the best young attacking midfielders in world football and Lukaku is one of the most exciting strikers in the world.

With  a spine to his team such as that you would indeed expect them to be higher up the table.

great point, he hasn't really tried to set expectations has he, LOL
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 28, 2016, 04:13:56 PM
On the expectation that SB will be sold in the summer, our manager could potentially have something like £50 m to spend come this summer. Can anyone see JP giving out Tony that sum to spend - no me neither!! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 28, 2016, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 28, 2016, 04:13:56 PM
On the expectation that SB will be sold in the summer, our manager could potentially have something like £50 m to spend come this summer. Can anyone see JP giving out Tony that sum to spend - no me neither!!
I don't think either will be here come August. Berahino and Pulis that is, not Peace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on January 28, 2016, 05:17:42 PM
With a spine of,Foster,Evans and Rondon ,we should be higher up the table too!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 28, 2016, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on January 28, 2016, 05:17:42 PM
With a spine of,Foster,Evans and Rondon ,we should be higher up the table too!

True and you never know Santa might be back in December with a couple of full backs, an attacking midfielder and at least one fast wide player with a decent cross in his sack to supply Rondon and his new strike partner.

Hang on, back in a minute..... the tooth fairy's at the door  ;D.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 28, 2016, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on January 28, 2016, 06:16:23 PM
True and you never know Santa might be back in December with a couple of full backs, an attacking midfielder and at least one fast wide player with a decent cross in his sack to supply Rondon and his new strike partner.

Hang on, back in a minute..... the tooth fairy's at the door  ;D.

Did you bump into a Lion & a Witch when you were in that wardrobe Dan?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ian66 on January 29, 2016, 10:10:35 AM
Pulis press conference...

Tony Pulis had to deal with a fresh raft of questioning on the future of striker Saido Berahino. He gave little away but acknowledges he has made a few calls to line up potential replacements.

The Berahino tale seems certain to run through to Monday evening.

"We will have to wait until Monday", said Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ian66 on January 29, 2016, 10:11:26 AM
More from the press conference..

Does Tony Pulis want to do some business in the January transfer window?

You bet he does.

"We would like to bring a couple of players in. The club is working hard to try and do that. It's difficult in January."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 29, 2016, 10:16:57 AM
Quote from: ian66 on January 29, 2016, 10:11:26 AM
More from the press conference..

Does Tony Pulis want to do some business in the January transfer window?

You bet he does.

"We would like to bring a couple of players in. The club is working hard to try and do that. It's difficult in January."

Only for us it seems.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on January 29, 2016, 02:01:24 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 29, 2016, 10:16:57 AM
Only for us it seems.

In fairness, that seems to apply to all teams. Look at last year, 3 teams (including big clubs Liverpool, Everton and Newcastle) bought no-one despite selling and therefore arguably weakening the squad. A further 8 only bought 1 player. That's over half the league bought 1 or 2.  Look at the quality bought by even the likes of Man Utd- Victor Valdes (Unattached, free), Sadiq El Fitouri (Salford City, undisclosed), Arsenal- Krystian Bielik (Legia Warsaw, £2.4m), Gabriel Paulista (Villarreal, undisclosed). Yes, there is the odd Bony in there but it is mostly loan deals and cheap lower league players.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfers/11327025/Premier-League-transfers-January-ins-and-outs.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2016, 02:03:59 PM
Interesting to see a stat today showing that Watford play the most long balls and that some fans we should be more like them.  The difference is they have pace and a forward line that will hold the ball up.

We're listed as having the worst discipline and it's put down to the slowness of the defence and the clumsy tackling of Yacob and Brunt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 29, 2016, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on January 29, 2016, 02:03:59 PM
Interesting to see a stat today showing that Watford play the most long balls and that some fans we should be more like them.  The difference is they have pace and a forward line that will hold the ball up.

Which we don't unfortunately. Rondon's hold up play is poor IMO. No coincidence that we played well v Newcastle and Stoke without him.

We're listed as having the worst discipline and it's put down to the slowness of the defence and the clumsy tackling of Yacob and Brunt.

Brunt has never been any different but you can't criticise him as he's a loyal servant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 29, 2016, 02:18:33 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on January 28, 2016, 05:17:42 PM
With a spine of,Foster,Evans and Rondon ,we should be higher up the table too!

Thats a spine with a vertebra missing though (midfield), not much use as a spine in that state.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 29, 2016, 02:26:24 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on January 28, 2016, 05:17:42 PM
With a spine of,Foster,Evans and Rondon ,we should be higher up the table too!

Not only missing a midfielder, but Foster hasn't been available and the ineptitude of a back up left back means Evans hasn't played central defence regularly enough.

Had Foster played all season I've no doubt we'd be 4 or 5 points better off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2016, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on January 29, 2016, 02:13:31 PM
Brunt has never been any different but you can't criticise him as he's a loyal servant.

I've been quite critical of Brunt in the past, especially when he was playing left midfield.  So many of his passes weren't made with the receiving player in mind, just a silly flick at knee height or something.  His set pieces were suffering and combined with his fondness for switching off and letting his runner go I thought he was near the end of his Albion career.

He might not be perfect at left back but he's giving it a really good go.  The odd lapse of concentration still occurs but for someone transitioning from one position to another I think he deserves a lot of credit this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 29, 2016, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on January 29, 2016, 02:31:29 PM
I've been quite critical of Brunt in the past, especially when he was playing left midfield.  So many of his passes weren't made with the receiving player in mind, just a silly flick at knee height or something.  His set pieces were suffering and combined with his fondness for switching off and letting his runner go I thought he was near the end of his Albion career.

He might not be perfect at left back but he's giving it a really good go.  The odd lapse of concentration still occurs but for someone transitioning from one position to another I think he deserves a lot of credit this season.

Credit where it's due for him giving it a go. I disagree about this season though. He's been a liability at times and been at fault for a few goals. I actually thought he looked a lot better in there last season. Either way we need a genuine LB.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 29, 2016, 02:36:31 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 29, 2016, 02:26:24 PM
Not only missing a midfielder, but Foster hasn't been available and the ineptitude of a back up left back means Evans hasn't played central defence regularly enough.

Had Foster played all season I've no doubt we'd be 4 or 5 points better off.

Is it really down to ineptitude or has Pulis just blanked him for some off field incident? He's certainly not as bad as you make out and certainly no worse defensively than Brunt is IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 30, 2016, 06:53:08 PM
Villa's team team cost £80 million Tone. How much did Peterborough's and Bristol's cost compared to ours? Rondon probably cost more than their teams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 30, 2016, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on January 27, 2016, 10:56:20 PM
Squad isn't good enough. We have failed to upgrade on that team we had in the first season under di Matteo. We haven't got as good a goal scorer as odemwinvie, we don't have as good a target man as Marc fortune. Fletcher doesn't offer as much on the pitch as scharner did. Yacob although better at breaking up play isn't as mobile as Mulumbu was. We lack any actual fullbacks. Centre half Evans is the best we have had for a log time. Gmac and Olsson are still there....

That's the crux of it.
Add a negative manager to the fold who wastes money so our notoriously tight owner won't trust him any further money= WBA current situation
Very good points..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 30, 2016, 08:51:53 PM
Re Pulis's signings.
It makes me think it is like a child in a sweet shop.
Buys everything he can lay his hands on.
Once the "sweeties" are home...The child discards those he doesn't really like.
Like a child....He was given too much money too soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 30, 2016, 08:59:01 PM
the annoying thing is that we need so many new players, but I wouldn't blame peace if he gave pulis no money because so far his signing are more miss than hit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 30, 2016, 09:26:59 PM
Can't beat two lesser teams at home in recent weeks, if we don't get 3 points min from one of the next two games his non relegation record is broken
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 30, 2016, 09:31:18 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on January 30, 2016, 08:51:53 PM
Re Pulis's signings.
It makes me think it is like a child in a sweet shop.
Buys everything he can lay his hands on.
Once the "sweeties" are home...The child discards those he doesn't really like.
Like a child....He was given too much money too soon.
Flech and Evans? ...we needed wingers Mc Mannaman has not been selected Mc Clean has been a good strong work horse. Rondon...?? without our previous staff strikers are difficult.Pity the bald one can not sort out the very good one we have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 30, 2016, 09:31:51 PM
for the future good of our famous club we need to part company if and when we are mathematically safe this season ive had enough,im not even sure he can keep us any more, I really cant see where our next 3 points are coming from,survive or not I don't want him here next season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on January 30, 2016, 11:36:38 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on January 30, 2016, 08:51:53 PM
Re Pulis's signings.
It makes me think it is like a child in a sweet shop.
Buys everything he can lay his hands on.
Once the "sweeties" are home...The child discards those he doesn't really like.
Like a child....He was given too much money too soon.

As my dad said today the worrying thing is he seems to be going for 'name' players or someone who his mates know . As you say like a child in a sweet shop with no direction but will choose his favourites anyway .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 31, 2016, 12:37:39 AM
Quote from: Mo on January 30, 2016, 11:36:38 PM
As my dad said today the worrying thing is he seems to be going for 'name' players or someone who his mates know . As you say like a child in a sweet shop with no direction but will choose his favourites anyway .

Which name players are you talking about?  Fletcher and Evans, who have both been excellent?  Lambert?  Who most people thought was a good signing?  I'm struggling to think who else can be considered a name when we purchased them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 31, 2016, 05:00:59 AM
All round, his signings have been better than the dross we signed for the couple of years before under the football department - too many to mention with very few successes since Dan Ashworth.

However, the criticism of Pulis is that he doesn't seem to use his signings well or develop them. He can't be a long term appointment, it will be very painful.

I think the team he picked yesterday had goals in it however they seem so drilled on defending they seem to panic they're out of position when they cross the halfway line. He can keep us up, take his bonus and go on his merry way as far as I'm concerned
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on January 31, 2016, 08:04:53 AM
Lets face it, pulis aint going anywhere, hes going to continue signing defensive minded players, not give anyone a chance, keep picking the same starting line up after publicly admitting the squads tired, keep grinding out 1-0 wins, if we concede.. play for the draw and were all going to spend our hard earned cash by buying tickets to watch the shower of pooh then come back from the matches and sit on here and complain  :P

Great guy, with the obvious talent of keeping teams up but apart from that i dont think he has anything else to offer. How long are we stuck with this pain and torture for?

When im paying hundreds out each season, its got to the point where i couldnt give a pooh if it meant us dropping down a league or 2 if it meant i got to watch 'football' because atm im just paying to watch other teams take the urine out of us week in week out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 31, 2016, 08:32:40 AM
At the risk of being shot down I thought we tried to get the ball down and pass it yesterday, if we tried doing that in the league with that team we picked yesterday we would get murdered every week.

Thought mcclean done good and Gardner both should have scored there chances to put the game away. Sess gets a lot of love in from our fans and what he does brilliantly is add energy to a static and dry team he gets us up the pitch like mozza and mulumbu use to do, the criticism of sess is he does go hiding a lot when he should be the carrier for 90% of our attacks, or don't we pass to him enough maybe ? Who knows.

Good entertainment yesterday for a tenner we won't win the thing and I certainly have to give credit for trying to pass the ball rather than grind out a dreary 1-0 win sounds crazy because we win but at home to league 1 side them tactics are what puts me off going.


Quick turn around before Tuesday now and then Saturday 3 points on the total wouldn't be the end of the world and leaves us needing 9 points from last 13 games which should be possible I think.

Albion till we die
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 31, 2016, 09:00:48 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on January 31, 2016, 08:32:40 AM
At the risk of being shot down I thought we tried to get the ball down and pass it yesterday,


The Hawthorns is a notorious stadium for swirling winds, I don't think TP had a lot of choice but to try & play it on the floor.
Tuesday is forecast to be stormy too, be interesting to see TP's tactics then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on January 31, 2016, 09:52:56 AM
JP will have to make a BIG decision in the coming months & that will be what type of football he wants to see played at hawthorns,
ifs its safe (keep us in the prem) then he has a manager fully capable now of doing that but ifs its a more fluid high tempo game then he needs to start looking for someone else now, but whatever type he wishes to see our scouting system should be looking for at least 7/8 under 28 players regardless. JP needs a clear vision in his head come the end of the season so that players & or manager can be brought in quickly & given time to settle in & get to know each other & players whose service is no longer needed let go.
Ferge built 3 teams by buying knowing when he had got the best he could out of his team of players & replacing them before they
showed there age or he saw a younger quicker option.
 
3 defenders
3 midfielders (at least)
2 strickers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mifos on January 31, 2016, 10:06:57 AM
Quote from: geoff on January 31, 2016, 09:52:56 AM
JP will have to make a BIG decision in the coming months & that will be what type of football he wants to see played at hawthorns,
ifs its safe (keep us in the prem) then he has a manager fully capable now of doing that but ifs its a more fluid high tempo game then he needs to start looking for someone else now, but whatever type he wishes to see our scouting system should be looking for at least 7/8 under 28 players regardless. JP needs a clear vision in his head come the end of the season so that players & or manager can be brought in quickly & given time to settle in & get to know each other & players whose service is no longer needed let go.
Ferge built 3 teams by buying knowing when he had got the best he could out of his team of players & replacing them before they
showed there age or he saw a younger quicker option.
 
3 defenders
3 midfielders (at least)
2 strickers

I'm hoping the vision is to use Pulis to secure the new TV money by keeping us up (which is by no means guaranteed the way we're playing) and then to change the style of play; this will almost certainly need a new first team coach/manager. I've had season tickets for more than 20 consecutive seasons now, and I'm honestly considering not bothering next year if TP continues to serve up performances such as Villa and Peterborough.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 31, 2016, 06:11:55 PM
Still in the FA cup, one of our best (points wise) seasons in the Premier League, this is when our season normally goes off a cliff, I'm not happy with the football, but I'm still a long way from the sacking gang. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 01, 2016, 12:05:45 PM
Pulis will not be attending today's press conference and did not take training today. The club are saying he is attending to footballing matters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 01, 2016, 12:08:04 PM
pulis was always busy deadline day at stoke
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on February 01, 2016, 12:46:04 PM
Perhaps he has gone for another job!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 01, 2016, 01:20:06 PM
I wish people would stop going on about players having the same agent as Pulis.  Those kind of rumours are really poisonous and I've already seen them quoted away from this board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: THR1879 on February 01, 2016, 03:07:32 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 01, 2016, 12:05:45 PM
Pulis will not be attending today's press conference and did not take training today. The club are saying he is attending to footballing matters.
In London apparently, most likely tending to his legal matters with CP
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bigrob80 on February 01, 2016, 05:40:05 PM
Or he is personally hounding qpr to try and get phillips?? 😂😂
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on February 01, 2016, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: THR1879 on February 01, 2016, 03:07:32 PM
In London apparently, most likely tending to his legal matters with CP

I can't believe he is away on anything but football business. I am sure that he would have been able to obtain special dispensation not to attend any court hearing to settle any legal matters on this, the second most important football day of the year. We at least deserve an explanation from the Club as to why he is not at the training ground today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on February 01, 2016, 06:56:59 PM
Maybe he has walked!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 01, 2016, 06:59:47 PM
Quote from: BAGGIES4LIFE on February 01, 2016, 06:56:59 PM
Maybe he has walked!

If he has i will buy everyone in the sportsman a beer tomorrow to celebrate  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 07:01:05 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 01, 2016, 06:59:47 PM
If he has i will buy everyone in the sportsman a beer tomorrow to celebrate  :D

I'll take you up on that, i'll walk in and out every 10 minutes in a different disguise as well  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 01, 2016, 07:02:48 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 07:01:05 PM
I'll take you up on that, i'll walk in and out every 10 minutes in a different disguise as well  :D

Uncle fester once....right said fred once....who else could you be  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 07:04:29 PM
My wife just said Buster Bloodvessel  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 01, 2016, 07:09:55 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 07:04:29 PM
My wife just said Buster Bloodvessel  :o
Special Brew ? :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 01, 2016, 07:11:43 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 07:04:29 PM
My wife just said Buster Bloodvessel  :o

Your lovely wife is hilarious and as always 100% correct ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 01, 2016, 07:45:14 PM
Quote from: royhan on February 01, 2016, 06:27:20 PM
I can't believe he is away on anything but football business. I am sure that he would have been able to obtain special dispensation not to attend any court hearing to settle any legal matters on this, the second most important football day of the year. We at least deserve an explanation from the Club as to why he is not at the training ground today.

That presupposes that there was anything going to happen besides which there is very little for him to actually do in terms of getting players in once he has given the deal the go ahead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 07:50:14 PM
Don't think the club have to tell us anything to be honest, even if it is due to a possible court case its personal business, we can all guess but sometimes things happen in life that are not for the public. I would hope he's doing something to try and get someone in but as said all he needs to do is give the go ahead
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on February 01, 2016, 07:55:06 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 07:50:14 PM
Don't think the club have to tell us anything to be honest, even if it is due to a possible court case its personal business, we can all guess but sometimes things happen in life that are not for the public. I would hope he's doing something to try and get someone in but as said all he needs to do is give the go ahead

A quick statement such as "He's away on private business" or "He's away on football business" would have been better than some of us putting two and two together and making five.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: royhan on February 01, 2016, 07:55:06 PM
A quick statement such as "He's away on private business" or "He's away on football business" would have been better than some of us putting two and two together and making five.

The club have never been very forthcoming though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 10:10:35 PM
Pulis to go at the end of the season then? Looks like the secret footballer had some body to it with the comments about the Chairman not trusting the Manager with the money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on February 01, 2016, 10:14:08 PM
Quote from: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 10:10:35 PM
Pulis to go at the end of the season then? Looks like the secret footballer had some body to it with the comments about the Chairman not trusting the Manager with the money.

Would you though really, he has quite a poor record when he spends big here and Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on February 01, 2016, 10:14:08 PM
Would you though really, he has quite a poor record when he spends big here and Stoke.

I wouldn't trust him with a petty cash tin, let alone multi million pound football transfers.

I think Pulis will be gone at the end of the season. Peace will not give him anymore money to waste so where do we go from here?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 10:24:54 PM
Out of interest, who's out there with a good record in the transfer market who's a viable option? What he has squandered here, McManaman is the only one I really consider. Lambert at £3m was poor in hindsight admittedly but at the time I was more than happy. Chester we should recoup what we spent in fairness.

Ultimately he kept us up, which is worth more than what he cost us in the market.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 10:16:22 PM
I wouldn't trust him with a petty cash tin, let alone multi million pound football transfers.

I think Pulis will be gone at the end of the season. Peace will not give him anymore money to waste so where do we go from here?

You're drawing some interesting conclusions

I didn't believe Berahino was prepared to go to either Newcastle or Stoke, so neither deal was going to happen.   He was desperate for Spurs who didn't actually make a bid, so with Saido not going, Pulis was not going to have any money to spend

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 10:27:31 PM
Quote from: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 10:10:35 PM
Pulis to go at the end of the season then? Looks like the secret footballer had some body to it with the comments about the Chairman not trusting the Manager with the money.

Hiding behind an anonymous name on a website. If this secret footballer has evidence of wrong doing then come out show yourself and say it. Otherwise just looks like someone with a bitter tale to tell.

I think the rest of the season will decide whether Pulis is here, the aim he has is keep us in the league, thats what his bosses want.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2016, 10:50:11 PM
Still think he'll at least see out his contract, no way would we sell to Newcastle. If Spurs had matched the bid I think he'd have gone and we'd have got Phillips at the very least. Peace will not be bothered about giving Pulis the money, he's restructured the entire club to please him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 01, 2016, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2016, 10:50:11 PM
Still think he'll at least see out his contract, no way would we sell to Newcastle. If Spurs had matched the bid I think he'd have gone and we'd have got Phillips at the very least. Peace will not be bothered about giving Pulis the money, he's restructured the entire club to please him.

In keeping with the direction this thread is taking, and in accordance with the suspicions of some mischievous scamps on here who are putting f(k all with f(k all to come up with not a lot, are you insinuating that Pulis, Chester and Peace all share the same agent?
 :P ;).

Shame on you.
 ;D.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 11:37:26 PM
Mystery of his whereabouts solved then

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3427364/Tony-Pulis-facing-battle-former-club-Crystal-Palace-1m-bonus-ensuring-Premier-League-survival.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Tony Pulis has spent the past two days fighting a battle with former club Crystal Palace over a £1m bonus to keep the club in the Premier League.

Palace chairman Steve Parish brought the action against the West Brom manager after he quit the Eagles just hours before the opening day of the 2014/15 season.

Pulis was due to be paid £1m by Palace for the club’s miraculous escape from relegation and it’s understood he asked for the payment to be brought forward.

Although Palace agreed to the request, Pulis resigned from the club after two days of talks with Parish ahead of their opening game of the Premier League season at Arsenal.

The tribunal began on Sunday and had initially been expected to last for two weeks, but it’s understood that it is now expected to finish before the end of the week.

Pulis was appointed by Palace when they had just four points in their first season back in the Premier League, but he led them to safety and a tenth placed finish.

Although Pulis left Palace before the start of the season, he was soon back in work when he was appointed manager of West Brom in place of Alan Irvine. 



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 01, 2016, 11:48:07 PM
150 days till the transfer window opens.

 ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 01, 2016, 11:53:40 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 11:37:26 PM
Mystery of his whereabouts solved then

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3427364/Tony-Pulis-facing-battle-former-club-Crystal-Palace-1m-bonus-ensuring-Premier-League-survival.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Tony Pulis has spent the past two days fighting a battle with former club Crystal Palace over a £1m bonus to keep the club in the Premier League.

Palace chairman Steve Parish brought the action against the West Brom manager after he quit the Eagles just hours before the opening day of the 2014/15 season.

Pulis was due to be paid £1m by Palace for the club’s miraculous escape from relegation and it’s understood he asked for the payment to be brought forward.

Although Palace agreed to the request, Pulis resigned from the club after two days of talks with Parish ahead of their opening game of the Premier League season at Arsenal.

The tribunal began on Sunday and had initially been expected to last for two weeks, but it’s understood that it is now expected to finish before the end of the week.

Pulis was appointed by Palace when they had just four points in their first season back in the Premier League, but he led them to safety and a tenth placed finish.

Although Pulis left Palace before the start of the season, he was soon back in work when he was appointed manager of West Brom in place of Alan Irvine. 



By the sounds of it he will be out of the picture for most this week. Not exactly ideal considering we have two big games coming up. 

With regard to the Secret Footballer article the truth may never be known but the position described is not sustainable and Peace won't be turned over financially by his own manager so  something will have to give.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 12:10:17 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 01, 2016, 11:53:40 PM
By the sounds of it he will be out of the picture for most this week. Not exactly ideal considering we have two big games coming up. 

With regard to the Secret Footballer article the truth may never be known but the position described is not sustainable and Peace won't be turned over financially by his own manager so  something will have to give.

Unfortunately you don't get to decide when cases are heard unless its usually exceptional circumstances I would guess.

As for the secret footballer stuff. Jeremy Peace is as we know not a fool and is very reluctant to deal with agents as it is. Your suggestion is pure hearsay with no substance other than an anonymous post. Whether there is anything in it is not for us on here to judge as we have nothing to go on either way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 02, 2016, 12:29:41 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 12:10:17 AM
Unfortunately you don't get to decide when cases are heard unless its usually exceptional circumstances I would guess.

As for the secret footballer stuff. Jeremy Peace is as we know not a fool and is very reluctant to deal with agents as it is. Your suggestion is pure hearsay with no substance other than an anonymous post. Whether there is anything in it is not for us on here to judge as we have nothing to go on either way.

Not blaming Pulis for the timing of the tribunal it can't be helped but it is unfortunate.

I agree entirely about the Secret Footballer article other than the outcome is binary. If the article is true Pulis will not be around for long but if Pulis stays beyond say the end of the season then the article is not true or at the very least exaggerated to settle old scores. We shall see and I wouldn't bet on the outcome either way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 02, 2016, 09:06:49 AM
The Secret Footballer was just taking the Allardyce - West Ham situation and getting people to wonder if Pulis would do the same thing.  The Allardyce situation looked a lot worse with many players sharing the same agent. Even though it looked bad on paper nothing untoward was found out.

As I put on another thread yesterday, the bonus Pulis gets for staying in the league dwarfs a small cut of an agents fee. If Pulis had the choice of bringing in a  good player who would start every week or a player he had no intention of playing, he would pick the good player every day of the week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 09:11:55 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 02, 2016, 09:06:49 AM
The Secret Footballer was just taking the Allardyce - West Ham situation and getting people to wonder if Pulis would do the same thing.  The Allardyce situation looked a lot worse with many players sharing the same agent. Even though it looked bad on paper nothing untoward was found out.

As I put on another thread yesterday, the bonus Pulis gets for staying in the league dwarfs a small cut of an agents fee. If Pulis had the choice of bringing in a  good player who would start every week or a player he had no intention of playing, he would pick the good player every day of the week.

Get out of here with your logic and common sense - we prefer rumours and misinformation don'tcha know.  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 02, 2016, 09:16:32 AM
I'll start a twitter rumour later to balance things out  ;)

I find it funny how some people are willing to believe that second Secret Footballer article but ignored the first one. Where he said Pulis was scared of selling Berahino in case he went on to he a good player elsewhere  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on February 02, 2016, 09:18:31 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 09:11:55 AM
Get out of here with your logic and common sense - we prefer rumours and misinformation don'tcha know.  :D
Brilliant quote. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 02, 2016, 09:33:15 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 02, 2016, 09:16:32 AM
I'll start a twitter rumour later to balance things out  ;)

I find it funny how some people are willing to believe that second Secret Footballer article but ignored the first one. Where he said Pulis was scared of selling Berahino in case he went on to he a good player elsewhere  :D

He'd be a good player here if Pulis picked him.

On a separate note how long has Pulis left on his own contract?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 02, 2016, 09:35:01 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 02, 2016, 09:33:15 AM
He'd be a good player here if Pulis picked him.

On a separate note how long has Pulis left on his own contract?

2 and a half year deal signed on 1st January 2015 so that will take him up to the end of next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 09:49:52 AM
I really hope this transfer window annoyed Pulis enough so he will 'do-one'. He obviously wanted Sadio out and the money in, so he could buy his clan of 6' 8" Munsters. I listened to parts of his interview prier to last night and he was seemly frustrated at how the club operates. So come on Garlic and Peace, wind the dino up until he does a Palace on us. :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 02, 2016, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 02, 2016, 09:06:49 AM
The Secret Footballer was just taking the Allardyce - West Ham situation and getting people to wonder if Pulis would do the same thing.  The Allardyce situation looked a lot worse with many players sharing the same agent. Even though it looked bad on paper nothing untoward was found out.

As I put on another thread yesterday, the bonus Pulis gets for staying in the league dwarfs a small cut of an agents fee. If Pulis had the choice of bringing in a  good player who would start every week or a player he had no intention of playing, he would pick the good player every day of the week.

Hes bought good players in but doesnt play them so your logic stops there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 10:35:34 AM
Maybe Pulis sees more on the training ground than you do on Google?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 02, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
Quote from: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 09:49:52 AM
I really hope this transfer window annoyed Pulis enough so he will 'do-one'. He obviously wanted Sadio out and the money in, so he could buy his clan of 6' 8" Munsters. I listened to parts of his interview prier to last night and he was seemly frustrated at how the club operates. So come on Garlic and Peace, wind the dino up until he does a Palace on us. :-*

Good point Pritchard's 5ft 7inches seems frightening. Along with that monster Yacob...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 02, 2016, 11:44:09 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 02, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
Good point Pritchard's 5ft 7inches seems frightening. Along with that monster Yacob...

Wonder if he's brought his own stilts, can't see JP forking out for any on top of a loan fee  ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 02, 2016, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 01, 2016, 12:05:45 PM
Pulis will not be attending today's press conference and did not take training today. The club are saying he is attending to footballing matters.

The phrasing of that did make me laugh. What's training if not a footballing matter?

Then again, this is Pulis, so there probably isn't any football played in training either.  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 12:51:16 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 02, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
Good point Pritchard's 5ft 7inches seems frightening. Along with that monster Yacob...

That's the issue, right? I'm hoping Pulis leaves, as he is unhappy with the 'style' of player we have /have not bought in. And he (Pulis) was hoping to sell Sadio to fund he monster hunt..  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 01:11:11 PM
Quote from: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 12:51:16 PM
That's the issue, right? I'm hoping Pulis leaves, as he is unhappy with the 'style' of player we have /have not bought in. And he (Pulis) was hoping to sell Sadio to fund he monster hunt..  ;)
I think his point is that Pritchard has been brought in by Pulis and he's hardly a 6ft 5 monster.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2016, 01:40:49 PM
no doubt we will hear the 3 games away excuse again soon
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 01:44:24 PM
And a play maker such as Pritchard has (a) not been bought in by Pulis (b) has been bought in by Pulis and will be used the same as fella who went back to Arsenal  (c) Pulis has had an epiphany and is now going to play attractive football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 01:44:24 PM
And a play maker such as Pritchard has (a) not been bought in by Pulis (b) has been bought in by Pulis and will be used the same as fella who went back to Arsenal  (c) Pulis has had an epiphany and is now going to play attractive football.

One of the things Pulis was inisting on is he has the final say on players so Pritchard will be a Pulis signing whether he succeeds or fails. If he ends up like Gnabry then maybe the player needs to look at himself, Arsenal seemingly cannot wait to get him back out on loan with only Charlton and Fulham seeming to be interested.

Pulis has also stated plenty of times about the need for more creativity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 02:46:51 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 02:13:23 PM

Pulis has also stated plenty of times about the need for more creativity.

Erm,,wow! I am getting this right? Some are saying on here that Pulis wishes to play attacking football and because of Pritchard we now will?

Please see all other teams he has managed for reference.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 02:59:02 PM
Quote from: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 02:46:51 PM
Erm,,wow! I am getting this right? Some are saying on here that Pulis wishes to play attacking football and because of Pritchard we now will?

Please see all other teams he has managed for reference.

Like Palace? You can only play attacking football if you've got the players to do it. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 02:46:51 PM
Erm,,wow! I am getting this right? Some are saying on here that Pulis wishes to play attacking football and because of Pritchard we now will?

Please see all other teams he has managed for reference.

Don't think i've said anything of the sort have I so please do not try and twist my words for your benefit.

I said Pulis has stated we need more creativity.

As for other other teams his Palace team seemed to manage it pretty well but they had and still have exceptional wingers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 03:01:28 PM
I'd also like to add, that getting average players to player a solid defensive game where it's all about positioning and having good discipline is a lot easier than trying to get average players to play an expansive attacking game.  Doesn't matter how many hours he puts in Morrison isn't going to suddenly get an extra few yards of pace. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 02, 2016, 03:06:46 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 03:01:28 PM
I'd also like to add, that getting average players to player a solid defensive game where it's all about positioning and having good discipline is a lot easier than trying to get average players to play an expansive attacking game.  Doesn't matter how many hours he puts in Morrison isn't going to suddenly get an extra few yards of pace.

This is incredible and just goes to show the lengths people will go to twist it so as not to gove Pulls any credit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 03:13:50 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 02, 2016, 03:06:46 PM
This is incredible and just goes to show the lengths people will go to twist it so as not to gove Pulls any credit.
Oh, sorry, I think you've got me wrong, I didn't mean to disparage Pulis' ability so far, just a reason why I think he tends to take a safety first approach and tries to get a solid footing first.  I think Hodgson did exactly the same thing. 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 02, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 02:13:23 PM
One of the things Pulis was inisting on is he has the final say on players so Pritchard will be a Pulis signing whether he succeeds or fails. If he ends up like Gnabry then maybe the player needs to look at himself, Arsenal seemingly cannot wait to get him back out on loan with only Charlton and Fulham seeming to be interested.

Pulis has also stated plenty of times about the need for more creativity.

Just putting it out there, and I'm certainly not saying this applies to Gnabry because I think in his case he does need to apply himself more, but if a player does fail at a club how do we determine whether it is in fact the player's fault for not applying himself, or whether it's the manager's fault for not utilising him correctly?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 02, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
Just putting it out there, and I'm certainly not saying this applies to Gnabry because I think in his case he does need to apply himself more, but if a player does fail at a club how do we determine whether it is in fact the player's fault for not applying himself, or whether it's the manager's fault for not utilising him correctly?

Its a fair question, given how his manager at Arsenal also commented he needs to do more then I would guess the main problem lies with the player in this case but as we've seen in the past here with the main one that springs to mind being Borja Valero a manager is also at fault at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 02, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 02, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
Just putting it out there, and I'm certainly not saying this applies to Gnabry because I think in his case he does need to apply himself more, but if a player does fail at a club how do we determine whether it is in fact the player's fault for not applying himself, or whether it's the manager's fault for not utilising him correctly?

It's probably somewhere in the middle. A player needs to show willingness to do what the manager wants, but if he doesn't 100% of what is asked of him, and still isn't getting picked, then surely the manager should be questioned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 02, 2016, 03:46:46 PM
Its a fact of life not just in football that,
Sometimes peoples relationships affect the ability to get the job done.

I suspect TP has a no nonsense "work for the team" ethic, and I suspect compromise is not high on his agenda.

So if an individual wants to promote themselves or have an easy life rather than "give his all to the group", TP will give that individual short shrift.

Is that good management of people, well, not in my book, but I'm not on £M's to run a team, so what do I know.

What it does mean however is , that you have to do your research very well when you bring people into the group as its unfair, expensive, disruptive to bring "non-team" players into the group, This seems to be the area TP has struggled with. (obligatory), In my opinion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 05:05:26 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 02:59:38 PM
Don't think i've said anything of the sort have I so please do not try and twist my words for your benefit.

I said Pulis has stated we need more creativity.

As for other other teams his Palace team seemed to manage it pretty well but they had and still have exceptional wingers.

No words twisted, just asked a question. As with his past this tells you all you need to know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis#Managerial_career

As much as I loved Mowbray, I realise Hodgson got the balance right; even though at times it could be dull. We were then the pride of the midlands. We then got Clarke who took us to an 8th finish but criticised our transfers (which were criminal) and then came most bizarre coaches ever.

Pulis is a safe bet until we get to next money bags season. Also Peace can tout the club to interested parties as a 'safe' prem club.

Main issue being the football being dished up at the moment is awful and is likely to stay that way unless Pulis walks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 05:05:26 PM
No words twisted, just asked a question. As with his past this tells you all you need to know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis#Managerial_career

As much as I loved Mowbray, I realise Hodgson got the balance right; even though at times it could be dull. We were then the pride of the midlands. We then got Clarke who took us to an 8th finish but criticised our transfers (which were criminal) and then came most bizarre coaches ever.

Pulis is a safe bet until we get to next money bags season. Also Peace can tout the club to interested parties as a 'safe' prem club.

Main issue being the football being dished up at the moment is awful and is likely to stay that way unless Pulis walks

Pulis is a safe bet hence why he is here and won't be gone unless he walks under the current leadership, he's basically perfect. Unlikely to go down (yes, I know always a frist time) and even more unlikely to threaten a European place unless its through a cup.

The football has been awful more often than not, not always though as we have at times played some good stuff.

I know all about his previous record, I saw enough of it watching Stoke beating us over the years, I also saw his Palace side beat us comfortably playing some decent stuff as well.

Didn't want him but he came and I don't get upset over the poor football as I expected very little from what we get now, hoped for better but failing to move some players on makes it difficult to do a lot with the squad, yes he's made mistakes in transfer deasling (show me a manager that hasn't, even Newcastle have sent their £12m Summer signing Thauvin back out on loan and £14m Mitrovic has hit 4 goals same as Rondon yet they have trusted McClaren with even more to try and safe them).

Wouldn't be disappointed if he left in the Summer as long as we get someone in that knows the league pretty well, otherwise if he keeps us up then he might as well stay for me until such time someone is available to improve us, poor football or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 05:39:42 PM
Fair Play OldburyWBA. And as for McClaren  :o bleeding hec! shame as he seems a nice guy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 02, 2016, 05:42:51 PM
Quote from: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 02:46:51 PM
Erm,,wow! I am getting this right? Some are saying on here that Pulis wishes to play attacking football and because of Pritchard we now will?

Please see all other teams he has managed for reference.

Judge him when he has sufficient time to make change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 02, 2016, 06:04:21 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 02, 2016, 05:42:51 PM
Judge him when he has sufficient time to make change.

Does this mean we should disregard his time at Palace, as he was only there for 28 matches, but should reflect more on his 7 years at Stoke and the reputation he created in this time?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 02, 2016, 06:27:01 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 05:16:26 PM
Pulis is a safe bet hence why he is here and won't be gone unless he walks under the current leadership, he's basically perfect. Unlikely to go down (yes, I know always a frist time) and even more unlikely to threaten a European place unless its through a cup.

The football has been awful more often than not, not always though as we have at times played some good stuff.

I know all about his previous record, I saw enough of it watching Stoke beating us over the years, I also saw his Palace side beat us comfortably playing some decent stuff as well.

Didn't want him but he came and I don't get upset over the poor football as I expected very little from what we get now, hoped for better but failing to move some players on makes it difficult to do a lot with the squad, yes he's made mistakes in transfer deasling (show me a manager that hasn't, even Newcastle have sent their £12m Summer signing Thauvin back out on loan and £14m Mitrovic has hit 4 goals same as Rondon yet they have trusted McClaren with even more to try and safe them).

Wouldn't be disappointed if he left in the Summer as long as we get someone in that knows the league pretty well, otherwise if he keeps us up then he might as well stay for me until such time someone is available to improve us, poor football or not.
Nail on the head Oldbury, if Pulis could play fancy or entertaining football no doubt he would be coaching one of the top teams by now ,so its a part of the package although I think he generally wants to play more attacking football but I think he dont trust some of the players to do it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 06:54:20 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on February 02, 2016, 06:27:01 PM
Nail on the head Oldbury, if Pulis could play fancy or entertaining football no doubt he would be coaching one of the top teams by now ,so its a part of the package although I think he generally wants to play more attacking football but I think he dont trust some of the players to do it.

What?! If he played entertaining football he would be a different coach and we would like the football. But he plays negative, destructive awful football.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 02, 2016, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: baggiepoint on February 02, 2016, 06:54:20 PM
What?! If he played entertaining football he would be a different coach and we would like the football. But he plays negative, destructive awful football.
Just not true , over this season we have been awful , average and good  which really is the frustration if you look at say Chelsea  A , Stoke , Arsenal and Spurs then match them up to Saints X 2 , Villa , Watford and a few others.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 02, 2016, 07:00:54 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 02, 2016, 06:58:25 PM
Just not true , over this season we have been awful , average and good  which really is the frustration if you look at say Chelsea  A , Stoke , Arsenal and Spurs then match them up to Saints X 2 , Villa , Watford and a few others.

I wouldn't class them as good but certainly better than the dross served up mostly. Stoke was probably the best of the lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 02, 2016, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 02, 2016, 07:00:54 PM
I wouldn't class them as good but certainly better than the dross served up mostly. Stoke was probably the best of the lot.
Not for me , Spurs and Chelsea I thought we were very good.
To be fair being a mod and reading all posts I notice you are slightly against TP .....just a bit  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 02, 2016, 07:17:50 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 02, 2016, 05:42:51 PM
Judge him when he has sufficient time to make change.

He inherited a far more mobile and attacking team than the squad he has inherited here, JP will not fund huge change, therefor both TP AND the fans, need to be patient.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 02, 2016, 07:18:51 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 02, 2016, 07:03:59 PM
Not for me , Spurs and Chelsea I thought we were very good.
To be fair being a mod and reading all posts I notice you are slightly against TP .....just a bit  :D

I missed the Spurs game. :D

To be honest I was delighted when he was appointed. He was exactly what we needed at the time and did what was asked of him last season. I really hoped things would have moved forward a bit by now. I think you mentioned it earlier but I just wish we could take the handbrake off more often as we've had the odd flash now and again. The squad isn't good enough IMO but some of the signings he's made haven't helped.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 02, 2016, 07:28:02 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 02, 2016, 07:18:51 PM
I missed the Spurs game. :D

To be honest I was delighted when he was appointed. He was exactly what we needed at the time and did what was asked of him last season. I really hoped things would have moved forward a bit by now. I think you mentioned it earlier but I just wish we could take the handbrake off more often as we've had the odd flash now and again. The squad isn't good enough IMO but some of the signings he's made haven't helped.
Yep agreed on signings , he's added some bad signings to bad ones already here .
Lets hope Sandro and Pritchard help us get forward more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 02, 2016, 09:55:25 PM
Thread will be very interesting in a few mins
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 02, 2016, 09:56:11 PM
Told you.

Rondon the goal machine
 ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on February 02, 2016, 10:02:40 PM
I think Pulis will be gone in the summer. Which is the reason Peace didn't want to sell Bera that way he doesn't have to give Pulis funds.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 02, 2016, 10:06:04 PM
Quote from: Webby on February 02, 2016, 10:02:40 PM
I think Pulis will be gone in the summer. Which is the reason Peace didn't want to sell Bera that way he doesn't have to give Pulis funds.

I've had that thought in my head for some time.
JP will let Pulis get us over the line then get rid at the end of the season.
Hope he makes Rowett an offer
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 02, 2016, 10:08:48 PM
Pulis will keep us up this season and then will be the time to review things. Although I will say to those who want him out be careful what you wish for. I remember Hodgson saying the same to Wolves when they got rid of Mick and look how that turned out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on February 02, 2016, 10:10:34 PM
2 wins, 3 draws and 5 losses in the last 10. 9 points. It's just good enough this season but not great really is it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 02, 2016, 10:11:11 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 02, 2016, 10:08:48 PM
Pulis will keep us up this season and then will be the time to review things. Although I will say to those who want him out be careful what you wish for. I remember Hodgson saying the same to Wolves when they got rid of Mick and look how that turned out.

I remember people saying "be careful what you wish for" to Stoke City supporters who wanted Pulis out. And look how that turned out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 02, 2016, 10:12:20 PM
I don't think it's similar to the Wolves situation at all. He'll keep us up but then I think it's time to part ways.

As long as we don't make an Irvine-esque appointment in the wake of ditching Pulis I'll be happy to see him go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on February 02, 2016, 10:12:27 PM
 be interesting to know who people want in if we get rid now. The time of the season means it has to be somebody currently not in work as we dont have time for all the approaches , knockbacks and indecisiveness that usual occurs when we try and appoint a new manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 02, 2016, 10:12:59 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 02, 2016, 10:11:11 PM
I remember people saying "be careful what you wish for" to Stoke City supporters who wanted Pulis out. And look how that turned out.

Difference is Stoke were left with a solid base to build upon. I won't tell you who built that solid base mind  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on February 02, 2016, 10:12:20 PM
I don't think it's similar to the Wolves situation at all. He'll keep us up but then I think it's time to part ways.

As long as we don't make an Irvine-esque appointment in the wake of ditching Pulis I'll be happy to see him go.

Give our recent record do you think we're going to avoid an Irvine-esque appointment? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 02, 2016, 10:13:26 PM
I'm content tonight, 1 point behind Everton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 02, 2016, 10:14:23 PM
Our squad is not good enough to bring in a young manager to play this exciting football that some fans want. It's a poor squad that needs fixing, we need an experienced manager like Pulis for one maybe two more seasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 10:14:39 PM
Quote from: Webby on February 02, 2016, 10:02:40 PM
I think Pulis will be gone in the summer. Which is the reason Peace didn't want to sell Bera that way he doesn't have to give Pulis funds.

He doesn't have to give Pulis funds even if he sells Berahino.  I don't know where people get this idea from, that if we sell Bera that the money ends up in Pulis' pocket.  The chairman controls the finances.  Selling Berahino and not making the funds available seems the perfect way to get rid of Pulis if that's what the chairman wants.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 02, 2016, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 02, 2016, 10:12:59 PM
Difference is Stoke were left with a solid base to build upon. I won't tell you who built that solid base mind  :)

And it's taken you 3 years to just about begin to get rid of that god awful reputation that Pulis gave your club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 02, 2016, 10:11:11 PM
I remember people saying "be careful what you wish for" to Stoke City supporters who wanted Pulis out. And look how that turned out.
Is this the Stoke who are only 4 pts ahead of us?  It's working well yeah?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 02, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
We've lost 1 in the last 8 league games. We've lost 3 in the last 15 in all competitions.... But it's horrible to watch.

It's like earning a good living, but by doing something you despise!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 02, 2016, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 10:16:22 PM
Is this the Stoke who are only 4 pts ahead of us?  It's working well yeah?

They were also a penalty shoot out away from a Wembley final and are a million times more exciting to watch than we are. We have one player who could get in their team, ten of theirs would walk into ours and probably most of their subs as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on February 02, 2016, 10:19:34 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on February 02, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
We've lost 1 in the last 8 league games. We've lost 3 in the last 15 in all competitions.... But it's horrible to watch.

It's like earning a good living, but by doing something you despise!

It wasn't all horrible to watch. Swansea played some nice stuff at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 10:22:15 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 02, 2016, 10:18:40 PM
They were also a penalty shoot out away from a Wembley final and are a million times more exciting to watch than we are. We have one player who could get in their team, ten of theirs would walk into ours and probably most of their subs as well.

But they're 4pts ahead still, so despite us having a team where 10 of theirs would walk into ours we're not doing too badly.  So, are we over performing or are you saying that Stoke are currently under performing?

You're right they were a shootout from a Wembley final, but under Pulis they did get to an FA Cup final and went onto the Europa league. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on February 02, 2016, 10:23:11 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on February 02, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
We've lost 1 in the last 8 league games. We've lost 3 in the last 15 in all competitions.... But it's horrible to watch.

It's like earning a good living, but by doing something you despise!

We've lost 3 of the last 8 in the league. V Bournemouth, Swansea and Southampton. Won 2 in 10.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2016, 10:25:21 PM
Praise the Lord  we gave him no more money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on February 02, 2016, 10:25:50 PM
Come on Tone! I know we're not blessed with the best players in the league & yes we're probably the fittest team in the league - but just loosen the chains a little please! we've got to be better than what we're presently showing! 14 more draws & all that....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiesboots on February 02, 2016, 10:26:50 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on February 02, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
We've lost 1 in the last 8 league games. We've lost 3 in the last 15 in all competitions.... But it's horrible to watch.

It's like earning a good living, but by doing something you despise!
Pulis is renowned for squeezing the extra % out of average players, and were certainly not blessed with skill and pace but his record speaks for itself. As much as I don't like it either, I can see why the chairman would want Pulis in the dugout. Sometimes, as fans we just need to do our bit, and support the team as well as we can, because I'm afraid that fans booing them off after a hard earned draw doesn't raise any spirits.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 02, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
People are going to be put on suicide watch very soon. Not a chance he will be sacked considering we are nowhere near relegation and still in the cup. The abuse he gets on here is nothing short of embarassing. Yes have your say but dont abuse him behind a screen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on February 02, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
People are going to be put on suicide watch very soon. Not a chance he will be sacked considering we are nowhere near relegation and still in the cup. The abuse he gets on here is nothing short of embarassing. Yes have your say but dont abuse him behind a screen.

Your namesake had an excellent game tonight, made some good saves.  It's good to see him back, I just fear if he makes a mistake the boo boys will be on his back right away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 02, 2016, 10:40:47 PM
One question. So many people want him out but no one has ever started a pulis out chant. Why? Scared people wont join in aye
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 02, 2016, 10:46:19 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on February 02, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
People are going to be put on suicide watch very soon. Not a chance he will be sacked considering we are nowhere near relegation and still in the cup. The abuse he gets on here is nothing short of embarassing. Yes have your say but dont abuse him behind a screen.

Spot on, but it is time the silent sensible majority became a bit more vocal and supportive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 10:51:48 PM
Lads, you want to have a moan fine do so but if you can't do it without personal abuse towards the bloke don't bother. We did not allow it for the previous managers and won't allow it now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 02, 2016, 10:52:54 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 02, 2016, 10:46:19 PM
Spot on, but it is time the silent sensible majority became a bit more vocal and supportive.
they're silent because its hard to talk when your heads buried in sand.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 02, 2016, 10:53:30 PM
Pushed my paitence for the first time tonight , didn't agree with Sess going off for one thing.
I will say he can't put the ball in for the players though , woeful finishing again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 02, 2016, 10:57:52 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 02, 2016, 10:53:30 PM
Pushed my paitence for the first time tonight , didn't agree with Sess going off for one thing.
I will say he can't put the ball in for the players though , woeful finishing again.
at the time he took sess off sandro was showing signs of tiredness which is understandable considering how little he's played , but why not leave sess on and drop fletcher into the  middle in place of sandro.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 02, 2016, 11:00:45 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 02, 2016, 10:57:52 PM
at the time he took sess off sandro was showing signs of tiredness which is understandable considering how little he's played , but why not leave sess on and drop fletcher into the  middle in place of sandro.
Those were exactly my thoughts , thing is he was proven right in the end.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 02, 2016, 11:15:37 PM
If we have any ambition we will thank him for steadying the ship for us come the summer and say goodbye.

The 'football' is unbearable. Darren Fletcher in the hole  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 02, 2016, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on February 02, 2016, 10:40:47 PM
One question. So many people want him out but no one has ever started a pulis out chant. Why? Scared people wont join in aye
I did after the vile game and,and there was a fair few who joined in. I hadn't had a go about pulis until after that game i just found it hard to understand why we didn't have a shot and still find it hard that was what did it for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2016, 11:20:29 PM
M666EYS taking it all in are you. I am with you on this one now. Get him out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 02, 2016, 11:23:46 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2016, 11:20:29 PM
M66EYS taking it all in are you. I am with you on this one now. Get him out
cheers mukka!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 02, 2016, 11:24:17 PM
Quote from: albion59 on February 02, 2016, 11:16:13 PM
I did after the vile game and,and there was a fair few who joined in. I hadn't had a go about pulis until after that game i just found it hard to understand why we didn't have a shot and still find it hard that was what did it for me.
Worrying times for Pulis low marks today he got to change something ;hoofing to Rondon or the predictable squares in the box leaves much to be desired.He has a way of bouncing back after the loud moans so lets see what happens saturday but he has to change something and fast.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 02, 2016, 11:24:48 PM
Stats can always be misleading :)
Imagine fans who boo the manager and want him out after 1 loss in 9 games...
Or booing a manager who has only won 3 in 9 :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zac on February 02, 2016, 11:25:23 PM
I wont be renewing if he is here next year. He is seriously killing every bit of motivation i have to go up and watch us with the negative boring football we seem to play. His obsession with playing people out of position really grates on me.

I don't have anything against him as a person but this is becoming unbearable to watch now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on February 02, 2016, 11:26:11 PM
tony just go will you .your killing our club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 02, 2016, 11:27:01 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on February 02, 2016, 11:26:11 PM
tony just go will you .your killing our club

Not killing the club but don't like the style of play...2 different things.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on February 02, 2016, 11:33:15 PM
well there was alot of empty seats tonight .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 02, 2016, 11:35:50 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on February 02, 2016, 11:33:15 PM
well there was alot of empty seats tonight .
don't disagree but "killing the club" is hyberbole. Don't like his style and frustrated watching is fair but killing isn't true. Just don't know where albion go from here. Who will we get with the current chairman who can move us forward? Not a huge pulis fan but i still believe we needed him at the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 02, 2016, 11:40:01 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 02, 2016, 10:53:30 PM
Pushed my paitence for the first time tonight , didn't agree with Sess going off for one thing.
I will say he can't put the ball in for the players though , woeful finishing again.

Personally, I thought it was the absolute correct decision, we were far more effective going forward when Saido came on. Honestly can't see the love-in with Sess, flatters to deceive for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 03, 2016, 12:14:52 AM
Hopefully he keeps us up and then buggers off at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 03, 2016, 12:17:49 AM
As much as I'm not anti pulis I think that's what will happen. But the club need to make a sensible appointment and not just one to appease the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on February 03, 2016, 12:18:05 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 02, 2016, 11:40:01 PM
Personally, I thought it was the absolute correct decision, we were far more effective going forward when Saido came on. Honestly can't see the love-in with Sess, flatters to deceive for me.

Agree totally but I'd say Anichebe changed the game more than Saido.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 03, 2016, 12:20:36 AM
Quote from: Dudleylad on February 03, 2016, 12:17:49 AM
As much as I'm not anti pulis I think that's what will happen. But the club need to make a sensible appointment and not just one to appease the fans.

While i like your optimism our last 4 appointments were Clarke, Mel, Irvine and Pulis. Maybe the problem is not the manager :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies on February 03, 2016, 12:27:52 AM
Quote from: Foster#1 on February 02, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
People are going to be put on suicide watch very soon. Not a chance he will be sacked considering we are nowhere near relegation and still in the cup. The abuse he gets on here is nothing short of embarassing. Yes have your say but dont abuse him behind a screen.

You have nearly 900 posts on this forum. If making a critique on this forum is "embarrassing" because it is "behind a screen", why are you on this forum? Only to say how happy you are, or to have real debate?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 03, 2016, 12:28:13 AM
Which is why I can't see him staying. Do I trust the club at the moment to make the right decision if pulis does go.....not sure I do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on February 03, 2016, 12:37:59 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 03, 2016, 12:20:36 AM
While i like your optimism our last 4 appointments were Clarke, Mel, Irvine and Pulis. Maybe the problem is not the manager :)
Two of those was coaches and shock appointments, Pepe Mel was another shock,he did his job though and kept us up,and to be honest was treated awfully by the Club.None of these was backed with serious cash like TP was,I also think he wont be trusted with serious cash again.
Expecting changes next season if he is still here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 03, 2016, 12:47:04 AM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on February 03, 2016, 12:37:59 AM
Two of those was coaches and shock appointments, Pepe Mel was another shock,he did his job though and kept us up,and to be honest was treated awfully by the Club.None of these was backed with serious cash like TP was,I also think he wont be trusted with serious cash again.
Expecting changes next season if he is still here.

I agree they were shocks but we had time (clarke and Irvine) to make good appointments and ended up with bad choices. The structure was broken and despite what anyone thinks of Pulis him coming in with control is good for the long term future as maybe we will now start hiring a "manager".
With the cash thing don't fully agree, we needed a big squad overhaul and he has wasted money on Chester. Rondon wait and see. Brown Ideye was in theory 10 mill last year.
He has had 2 full windows and we loaned 2 players this one. Look at other teams spending and ours isn't outrageous considering the tv deal. No manager before Pulis had access to the money from the tv deal. Look how many teams have broken their transfer record this year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on February 03, 2016, 12:54:01 AM
You misunderstood me Tony,I mean't changes as in if he is still here next season,that he won't be able to waste money anymore,on players he has no intention of using.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 03, 2016, 01:14:22 AM
Yawn, he's not going to be sacked. Not now and not at the end of the season. Wishful thinking and conspiracy theories abound tonight!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 03, 2016, 06:09:18 AM
Quote from: smosher34 on February 02, 2016, 11:33:15 PM
well there was alot of empty seats tonight .
I wonder if the reasons for this will be discussed at the up coming assembly? somehow I doubt it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 03, 2016, 08:42:55 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-boo-boys-told-?

West Brom boo boys have been told 'You're not helping us."

There were loud grumbles as Albion had to come from a goal behind to beat struggling Swansea at The Hawthorns.

Assistant boss Dave Kemp says fans should want to be part of the team and offer encouragement, rather than jeering the players.

"Fans pay their money," he said. "I've got to be honest don't quite understand it.

"In the old days, when I was a young man, fans came along to cheer their heroes, now they seem to wait for an opportunity to have a bit of a moan up.

"In the previous home game against Villa we didn't play well, there's no question about that. I thought we were much better tonight.

"Whether they just expect you to roll over teams, I don't know where that comes from.

"It's not that easy. The Premier League is a tough league, you have to treat everybody with respect.

"If you come out and do your best like I think our players do... you could complain about the quality maybe, but I don't think you could criticise their effort. "

There were jeers when Stephane Sessegnon was the player sacrificed to bring Saido Berahino on just after the hour mark.

But Kemp suggested that Tony Pulis knows what he is doing after such a long stint in the game.

"Substitutions ....everybody's always got a better idea," added Kemp. "Tony Pulis is not an inexperienced manager is he? He's done nearly 1,000 games.

"I don't know. I like to think the fans want to be part of it and cheer the team on, the 12th man type thing where they can improve the performance of the players by their encouragement. I don't think booing helps does it? That's my own personal opinion."

I agree with the comments on booing although this is just frustration. The problem is that Kemp thinks that last night was much better than Villa it was better but barely. This is all they are aspiring to. They see nothing wrong with what we are doing. It is all about defensive shape to the exclusion of almost everything else.

If Pulis has managed for nearly a 1000 games then I consider myself fortunate to have seen less than 5% of them.

The mood inside the Hawthorns is growing increasingly sour and our attendances will start to drop, a lot of the season ticket holders around me are thinking about not renewing and these are guys who have been going a long while through thick and thin. Last night's attendance will become the norm next season if Pulis remains in charge.

Obviously none of this matters as long as we cling to our Premier League status and as other posters have said Pulis isn't going anywhere certainly in the short term. If this carries on for a few more seasons the fan's won't be turning up at all and empty seats don't boo.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 03, 2016, 08:53:40 AM
Kemp sounds right to me. The last few weeks I've seen people moaning about not having enough shots. Last night the team had 17 shots but that's still not active enough? Sounds like people keep changing the goalposts to me...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: palmaroy on February 03, 2016, 09:05:37 AM
From what I saw last night if Berahino is worth 23 million Anichebe is worth 43 million.It would be an absolute joke if we don't offer him some sort of contract
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 03, 2016, 09:09:00 AM
Last night was absolutely 100% better than Villa (my son had to be woken during a local derby?), without a doubt. I agree with pretty much everything kemp has said there. It will get to the point whereat home our players will be scared to try anything. Im not necessarily suggesting full on happy clapping but I think it's gone widely the other way at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 03, 2016, 09:28:18 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 03, 2016, 08:42:55 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-boo-boys-told-?

West Brom boo boys have been told 'You're not helping us."

There were loud grumbles as Albion had to come from a goal behind to beat struggling Swansea at The Hawthorns.

Assistant boss Dave Kemp says fans should want to be part of the team and offer encouragement, rather than jeering the players.

"Fans pay their money," he said. "I've got to be honest don't quite understand it.

"In the old days, when I was a young man, fans came along to cheer their heroes, now they seem to wait for an opportunity to have a bit of a moan up.

"In the previous home game against Villa we didn't play well, there's no question about that. I thought we were much better tonight.

"Whether they just expect you to roll over teams, I don't know where that comes from.

"It's not that easy. The Premier League is a tough league, you have to treat everybody with respect.

"If you come out and do your best like I think our players do... you could complain about the quality maybe, but I don't think you could criticise their effort. "

There were jeers when Stephane Sessegnon was the player sacrificed to bring Saido Berahino on just after the hour mark.

But Kemp suggested that Tony Pulis knows what he is doing after such a long stint in the game.

"Substitutions ....everybody's always got a better idea," added Kemp. "Tony Pulis is not an inexperienced manager is he? He's done nearly 1,000 games.

"I don't know. I like to think the fans want to be part of it and cheer the team on, the 12th man type thing where they can improve the performance of the players by their encouragement. I don't think booing helps does it? That's my own personal opinion."

I agree with the comments on booing although this is just frustration. The problem is that Kemp thinks that last night was much better than Villa it was better but barely. This is all they are aspiring to. They see nothing wrong with what we are doing. It is all about defensive shape to the exclusion of almost everything else.

If Pulis has managed for nearly a 1000 games then I consider myself fortunate to have seen less than 5% of them.

The mood inside the Hawthorns is growing increasingly sour and our attendances will start to drop, a lot of the season ticket holders around me are thinking about not renewing and these are guys who have been going a long while through thick and thin. Last night's attendance will become the norm next season if Pulis remains in charge.

Obviously none of this matters as long as we cling to our Premier League status and as other posters have said Pulis isn't going anywhere certainly in the short term. If this carries on for a few more seasons the fan's won't be turning up at all and empty seats don't boo.

Maybe this journo should've paid more attention to the game  ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 03, 2016, 09:38:21 AM
Still here this morning I see.

Not  chance in hell he's going.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 09:39:31 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 03, 2016, 08:53:40 AM
Kemp sounds right to me. The last few weeks I've seen people moaning about not having enough shots. Last night the team had 17 shots but that's still not active enough? Sounds like people keep changing the goalposts to me...

The chances created were not a problem, it was the personnel on the pitch who were incapable of putting them away.

When you start a game with four centre halves and three defensive midfielders is it any surprise that we can't finish?

Oh, and if I hadn't already mentioned it, our £25m+ striker was sitting on the bench for an hour.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 03, 2016, 09:48:02 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 09:39:31 AM
The chances created were not a problem, it was the personnel on the pitch who were incapable of putting them away.

When you start a game with four centre halves and three defensive midfielders is it any surprise that we can't finish?

Oh, and if I hadn't already mentioned it, our £25m+ striker was sitting on the bench for an hour.

because he wasn't fit enough to last 90 minutes which got confirmed by both Kemp & Pulis.

Let the agenda go
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 09:50:37 AM
Quote from: Foster#1 on February 03, 2016, 09:48:02 AM
because he wasn't fit enough to last 90 minutes which got confirmed by both Kemp & Pulis.

Let the agenda go

Agenda? In my opinion Berahino is our best player and must start. How is that an agenda?

If he's fit enough to sit on the bench and play half an hour he's fit enough to start. Didn't look to be struggling too much when he came on, or when he completed 90 minutes at the weekend?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 03, 2016, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 09:50:37 AM
Didn't look to be struggling too much when he came on, or when he completed 90 minutes at the weekend?

He got a knock in training on Monday, this was widely reported at the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 09:57:22 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 09:50:37 AM
Agenda? In my opinion Berahino is our best player and must start. How is that an agenda?

If he's fit enough to sit on the bench and play half an hour he's fit enough to start. Didn't look to be struggling too much when he came on, or when he completed 90 minutes at the weekend?

That's the very definition of an agenda.  Berahino went home from training with a knock, he wasn't fit enough for 90 mins.  How can you not understand that?  Do you seriously believe that if a player can just about manage 30 mins then they can manage the full 90 at the intensity of a Premiership game?

IF berahino had started and picked up an injury you'd be the first to have a go for playing him when he wasn't quite fit enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RuncornBaggie on February 03, 2016, 10:00:01 AM
Before anyone jumps on me.  I am usually a positive guy!  And like most I also remember the dark days. 

I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this garbage that I am being served up. 

James Chester - When Evans went off injured again yesterday, it was the perfect opportunity to bring on a defender to replace him with.  A defender that we have supposedly aid £8m for.  But instead he brings on Craig Gardner.  A defensive midfielder and puts him in at right back!  There is obviously a reason why he refuses to play Chester but I do not know what this is!  Hull fans thought a lot of him, Steve Bruce thought a lot of him. 

Sandro was clearly struggling for a good 5-10 minutes before he took him off so why did he take Sess off to bring on Berahino?  Sandro off - Bera on. 

I understand that Bera will have everyone divided but we need goals and he is the best finisher that we have.  Why not start him and let him prove a point!  "OK Saido, you have put yourself in this position, you go out there and show everyone why I am wrong to leave you on the bench every week"

We cannot pass the ball, we cannot keep hold of the ball.  Its continuously get it out of your feet and lump it forward to Rondon, who is isolated and usually has no-one within 20 yards of him.  So if, on the occasion that he does win the ball, he has nowhere to go with it and is bossed off the ball.  It was a little better yesterday with Fletch pushed further forward but it's still rubbish!

It is extremely frustrating because we really do have some quality in our squad and we don't have to play like this every week!  Especially at home! 

I am not sure for how much longer I can watch this!  Of course I will continue to watch it, because it's the Albion and I am like a little sheep but it really is awful! 

Come on Tony, you proved with Palace that you can play a better brand of football!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 09:57:22 AM
That's the very definition of an agenda.  Berahino went home from training with a knock, he wasn't fit enough for 90 mins.  How can you not understand that?  Do you seriously believe that if a player can just about manage 30 mins then they can manage the full 90 at the intensity of a Premiership game?

IF berahino had started and picked up an injury you'd be the first to have a go for playing him when he wasn't quite fit enough.

Just about manage 30 minutes? Come on. He was hardly hobbling around was he?

I would never moan about Pulis taking a gamble on an attacking player who should actually be playing. In any case, it is my right to criticise where I see fit whether you like it or not.

Sick of those who bang the Pulis drum slating people for having a different view, some of which take it way too far and get very personal. It really is incredibly arrogant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 03, 2016, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 09:57:22 AM
That's the very definition of an agenda.  Berahino went home from training with a knock, he wasn't fit enough for 90 mins.  How can you not understand that?  Do you seriously believe that if a player can just about manage 30 mins then they can manage the full 90 at the intensity of a Premiership game?

IF berahino had started and picked up an injury you'd be the first to have a go for playing him when he wasn't quite fit enough.

So if we had an early injury we couldnt call upon him?

But then again Gardner would have come on no matter who went off  :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 10:07:37 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 03, 2016, 10:03:09 AM
So if we had an early injury we couldnt call upon him?

But then again Gardner would have come on no matter who went off  :-\

It depends who was injured, that's not hard to grasp is it?  If Rondon was injured we could have used Anichebe.  If any other player was injured, early on, then a different player would be used.

Give me an example of an early injury that would mean Berahino being the only one who MUST brought onto the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 10:07:37 AM
It depends who was injured, that's not hard to grasp is it?  If Rondon was injured we could have used Anichebe.  If any other player was injured, early on, then a different player would be used.

Give me an example of an early injury that would mean Berahino being the only one who MUST brought onto the pitch.

Sessegnon?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 03, 2016, 10:16:30 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 10:07:37 AM
It depends who was injured, that's not hard to grasp is it?  If Rondon was injured we could have used Anichebe.  If any other player was injured, early on, then a different player would be used.

Give me an example of an early injury that would mean Berahino being the only one who MUST brought onto the pitch.

Rondon?

Last time i looked the only goalscorer we have in our squad is Berahino.

Amazing how everyone suddenly loves anichebe. Hes pooh and wouldnt get in any other prem team. He may do a bit for 15/20 minutes but when he plays 90 hes rubbish. Wish i could get 30k for 20 mins running round. He has been slated since he's been here and now hes the saviour.  Get a grip.

The fans are turning, mark my words. Sooner pulis is gone the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 10:25:09 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 03, 2016, 10:16:30 AM
Rondon?

Last time i looked the only goalscorer we have in our squad is Berahino.

Amazing how everyone suddenly loves anichebe. Hes pooh and wouldnt get in any other prem team. He may do a bit for 15/20 minutes but when he plays 90 hes rubbish. Wish i could get 30k for 20 mins running round. He has been slated since he's been here and now hes the saviour.  Get a grip.

The fans are turning, mark my words. Sooner pulis is gone the better.

The point was that we wouldn't HAVE to bring Berahino on early if a player was injured so it's not this massive risk that you think it is putting a player on the bench who can't play for 90 minutes.

But hey, it's another thing to moan about, go for it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 10:10:12 AM
Sessegnon?

That's a good call to be fair, if he'd have got injured early on I think the best replacement, assuming fit, would be Berahino.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on February 03, 2016, 10:34:22 AM
Firstly I would like to say I agree that the football isn't he most attractive , however ... I want to stay in the premier league and we are in a great position to achieve that.

Secondly I myself couldn't believe the boos from the home fans last night so disappointed with the fans as a whole. Voice your opinions on the radio and on the forums etc but don't boo at the games .... Do you really believe that encourages the team to perform better ?

Thirdly I believe that the West Bromwich Albion fans are delusional , do you really believe that we are underachieving? If so your just as bad if not worse than the villa fans who believe they should be in the top 10.

Wake up baggies .... Get behind our team and we really could finish in a very respectable position this season and who knows maybe a trip to Wembley.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on February 03, 2016, 10:49:10 AM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on February 03, 2016, 10:34:22 AM
Firstly I would like to say I agree that the football isn't he most attractive , however ... I want to stay in the premier league and we are in a great position to achieve that.

Secondly I myself couldn't believe the boos from the home fans last night so disappointed with the fans as a whole. Voice your opinions on the radio and on the forums etc but don't boo at the games .... Do you really believe that encourages the team to perform better ?

Thirdly I believe that the West Bromwich Albion fans are delusional , do you really believe that we are underachieving? If so your just as bad if not worse than the villa fans who believe they should be in the top 10.

Wake up baggies .... Get behind our team and we really could finish in a very respectable position this season and who knows maybe a trip to Wembley.

Exactly - this is the first ever Premier league season we have gone into where I felt confident we were not going down and still do.
We are, have been and will be comfortably mid table all season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on February 03, 2016, 10:53:50 AM
It's quite simple ... If the football is that bad and you don't want to cheer the team on ... Why go to the games? By booing you are just helping the opposition and putting the team down in confidence etc .... That is all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on February 03, 2016, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 03, 2016, 10:16:30 AM
Rondon?

Last time i looked the only goalscorer we have in our squad is Berahino.

Amazing how everyone suddenly loves anichebe. Hes pooh and wouldnt get in any other prem team. He may do a bit for 15/20 minutes but when he plays 90 hes rubbish. Wish i could get 30k for 20 mins running round. He has been slated since he's been here and now hes the saviour.  Get a grip.



The point about Anichebe is, I think, he has changed. Last season there's no way he would have got his head to the ball to set up Fletcher for a shot just before Rondon scored. He also wins more headers generally now, and has twigged that he does have the strength to win tussles with centre halves. Whether he can do that for 90 mins I don't know, it may be that his body can't actually take it, but mentally I think he is much more robust than he was and that's the difference. Now he is much less likely to go down at the slightest contact and is able to shrug off what previously would have floored him. In my opinion he's got a lot more to his game than Rondon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 03, 2016, 11:44:32 AM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on February 03, 2016, 10:34:22 AM
Firstly I would like to say I agree that the football isn't he most attractive , however ... I want to stay in the premier league and we are in a great position to achieve that.

Secondly I myself couldn't believe the boos from the home fans last night so disappointed with the fans as a whole. Voice your opinions on the radio and on the forums etc but don't boo at the games .... Do you really believe that encourages the team to perform better ?

Thirdly I believe that the West Bromwich Albion fans are delusional , do you really believe that we are underachieving? If so your just as bad if not worse than the villa fans who believe they should be in the top 10.

Wake up baggies .... Get behind our team and we really could finish in a very respectable position this season and who knows maybe a trip to Wembley.


I've got a lot of sympathy for your thoughts there BB.

I'm not sure delusional is the right word, but I do think a lot of the fans have been suckered by Tony Pulis's reputation (Bit like the old song about the Kings Clothes).

I try to watch the two EPL games on Sunday afternoons, & to be fair, most teams play on the counter attack these days, & the long pass is the accepted method of countering the press.
I was a bit bothered about the games of heading tennis that went on last night, but, on reflection, perhaps an aerial pass is an alternative way to get out of a congested mid field.
I have to say, I mostly understand TP's tactics, & therefore don't critisise too much, & I can also cut players some slack when things don't go quite as intended.

Delusional WBA fans? Don't think so. Incomprehensive? Possibly. Impatient? Absolutely
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on February 03, 2016, 11:48:16 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 09:57:22 AM
That's the very definition of an agenda.  Berahino went home from training with a knock, he wasn't fit enough for 90 mins. How can you not understand that?  Do you seriously believe that if a player can just about manage 30 mins then they can manage the full 90 at the intensity of a Premiership game?

IF berahino had started and picked up an injury you'd be the first to have a go for playing him when he wasn't quite fit enough.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the undroppable Fletcher and also Ollson both carrying knocks when selected for the Villa game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on February 03, 2016, 11:48:16 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the undroppable Fletcher and also Ollson both carrying knocks when selected for the Villa game?
Not all knocks are the same.  And maybe a 95% fit Fletcher is better than the alternative?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 03, 2016, 12:19:42 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 03, 2016, 11:44:32 AM

I've got a lot of sympathy for your thoughts there BB.

I'm not sure delusional is the right word, but I do think a lot of the fans have been suckered by Tony Pulis's reputation (Bit like the old song about the Kings Clothes).

I try to watch the two EPL games on Sunday afternoons, & to be fair, most teams play on the counter attack these days, & the long pass is the accepted method of countering the press.
I was a bit bothered about the games of heading tennis that went on last night, but, on reflection, perhaps an aerial pass is an alternative way to get out of a congested mid field.
I have to say, I mostly understand TP's tactics, & therefore don't critisise too much, & I can also cut players some slack when things don't go quite as intended.

Delusional WBA fans? Don't think so. Incomprehensive? Possibly. Impatient? Absolutely

Delusional is to think we have a divine right to be in this division let alone the top half of it. Impatient certainly but then again the post Ashworth world has been very trying.

I think our fans in general would be more patient with the current set up if we are achieving things that weren't achieved with other coaches and or we in were in a period of transition and we are heading somewhere better. The plain fact is we aren't tactically this is it.

I can cope with the odd bad performance or a few on the trot that is the nature of being a mid-table team but this uber defensive lumping the ball forward is painful to watch even on a good day. 
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 03, 2016, 12:31:13 PM
I thought up until their goal we played some ok football, but then we reacted to it poorly and resorted to hoofing, which thankfully got a break in the end for the goal.

For those wondering, I think it was definitely an improvement than the Villa game. We didn't have a shot in that game. Yesterday we could have had a good 3 goals if chances had been taken. Swansea were a lot better than the Villa too, so it's quite unfair to say it was a similar performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on February 03, 2016, 12:40:28 PM
I have always said unless the players arent trying or do something majorly stupid (ie - headbutt, cheat, etc) i dont agree with booing.

If they arent good enough and trying their best what more can you do? If they make a mistake for a goal or miss a chance they dont mean do it, natural reaction is to groan or grumble but booing is something else.

I am not a huge fan of Pulis but i will say i dont think you can ever accuse his teams of not trying.

As for him, unless we win the cup, i hope he leaves at the end of the season. Pulis will get a nice big bonus and his reputation for sorting clubs out will ensure he gets a good job elsewhere, we hopefully have stayed in the league for the gravy train and all the perks that come with it.

I think if Pulis does leave at the end of the season, whoever comes in will have a decent spine to work from, i think if Pulis stayed for more seasons, we would become more and more one dimensional. One of the problems at the moment is fans are starting to turn a bit, recent games the groans are growing, some of those fans who thought he was a necessary evil to sort us out (like me) are getting a bit restless and it spreads.

I think we will grind it out to stay up, it wont be pretty but i think we will do it but like i say i think the only way Pulis can win back some supporters will be with the cup, because i think we know there isnt going to be a great deal of entertainment on the pitch, we are what we are and thats not going to change.

I think whoever the next appointment does need to be somebody to get fans excited and interested again, it has to be someone right for us too and not just a name (you may as well give Bob Taylor and Bomber the job if it was to appease fans!) but i think since Megson left, although coaches have done a steady job but only really Mowbray and Hodgson got the attention. I think Robson and Irvine people were never overly enthused by, Di Matteo and Clarke were steady and a bit 'meh' and Pepe Mel had a lot of sympathy more than anything else.

I think when you see managers like Koeman, Bilic, Howe, Ranieri its quite exciting for their clubs we need somebody to get that buzz and enthusiam back, people like Pardew, Hughes are okay and do a job, and then you get the likes of Allardyce and Pulis who are experts at what they do - steadying the ship, but when they go you do want somebody to give you a lift (like Bilic has done even though Allardyce did what job he was asked to do, similar to what Pulis is doing with us)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 03, 2016, 12:46:16 PM
No fans have any patience. He's been in the job for just over a year. I still think we needed him to change some things internally at the club and bring a foundation for the future. He wasn't my ideal choice but Peace wouldn't have gone for most peoples ideal choice because it would have involved compensation to another team.
How long do managers get to lay a foundation any more? Ladrup won a trophy at Swansea and because they lost a few games they booted him, same with Monk. Staying in the league is more important these days than  "ethos" or "tradition" for a club. Hence why we have Pulis.
Also all these points about him spending more than anyone are all relative. Every team has more money than ever before. Stoke just spent 18 mill, Boutnemouth 10 and watford spent 8 and just loaned the player back out....
We are hardly Man City...most of the squad is old and tired and needed an overhaul. No one these days looks more than 6 months down the line. A long terms plan would be nice :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 03, 2016, 01:02:31 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 03, 2016, 12:19:42 PM
Delusional is to think we have a divine right to be in this division let alone the top half of it. Impatient certainly but then again the post Ashworth world has been very trying.

I think our fans in general would be more patient with the current set up if we are achieving things that weren't achieved with other coaches and or we in were in a period of transition and we are heading somewhere better. The plain fact is we aren't tactically this is it.

I can cope with the odd bad performance or a few on the trot that is the nature of being a mid-table team but this uber defensive lumping the ball forward is painful to watch even on a good day. 
 
Roy Hodgson, & Tony Pulis are the only two experienced managers we have appointed in our EPL history. All the other appointments have carried more risk, & the risk has not paid off.
I have to admit, I was not happy with the TP appointment, but I had more reservations about his relationship with JP & how that would work, as opposed to "on pitch" issues. In the event, it seems to be working ok.
Like you, I've no idea what's going on behinds the scenes, & whether we are any closer to a sale of the FC or not. Assuming that JP is going to be here for the immediate future, & that TP does seem to have a grasp & an acceptance of our financial position, I would imagine that they have some sort of medium term plan.

Clearly, we have players that, for whatever reason, TP is reluctant to use, & players coming to the end of their careers, at some stage, those guys need to be replaced, but it can't be done overnight.
So you're right, at the moment, tactically this is as good as it gets, but I'm not sure this is as good as it's going to get.

I also wouldn't dismiss the influence that Mark Jenkins & Richard Garlick have on the development of the FC, & particularly the strategic plan, as soon as TP doesn't fit, he'll be replaced, it happens in every business
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 03, 2016, 01:07:05 PM
13th in the league.

8 points from relegation and 4 points behind Stokealona in 9th place & we're still in the FA cup.

If we was to sack Pulis it would be the worst decision the club has made.

Let's go back to the Mowbray, Di Matteo, Mel, Irvine & Clarke days aye when we all was relegation fodder .  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mooncat on February 03, 2016, 01:09:28 PM
Quote
I also wouldn't dismiss the influence that Mark Jenkins & Richard Garlick have on the development of the FC, & particularly the strategic plan, as soon as TP doesn't fit, he'll be replaced, it happens in every business

And with WBA Plc losing "customers" this may be sooner rather than later (although I accept last night was a midweek game, on the back of a couple of home games, cold etc but still our lowest PL attendance)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 01:11:43 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on February 03, 2016, 01:07:05 PM
13th in the league.

8 points from relegation and 4 points behind Stokealona in 9th place & we're still in the FA cup.

If we was to sack Pulis it would be the worst decision the club has made.

Let's go back to the Mowbray, Di Matteo, Mel, Irvine & Clarke days aye when we all was relegation fodder .  :o

Is that the same Clarke who finished 8th?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 03, 2016, 01:17:57 PM
Then the season after the same Clarke that was taking us down and got SACKED.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggyman68 on February 03, 2016, 01:19:35 PM
Same Clarke that inherited Hodgsons team and ran out of ideas after January, hardly won a game on the run in and had a disasterous start to the season before being sacked.
Pulis will keep us up and with a bit of backing get us to be a solid mid table team
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 03, 2016, 01:20:46 PM
Quote from: baggyman68 on February 03, 2016, 01:19:35 PM
Same Clarke that inherited Hodgsons team and ran out of ideas after January, hardly won a game on the run in and had a disasterous start to the season before being sacked.
Pulis will keep us up and with a bit of backing get us to be a solid mid table team

we are a solid mid table team now but people fail to see it.

if pulis gets backed in the summer we could push on even higher towards 8th+
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 03, 2016, 01:27:47 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 01:11:43 PM
Is that the same Clarke who finished 8th?

That was a weird season though. The last 2 seasons 49 points would have been a 10th-11th place finish. If Pulis finished the season with 49-50 points (finishing 10th-12th say) what would you think of the state of the club?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 03, 2016, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on February 03, 2016, 10:34:22 AM
Firstly I would like to say I agree that the football isn't he most attractive , however ... I want to stay in the premier league and we are in a great position to achieve that.

Secondly I myself couldn't believe the boos from the home fans last night so disappointed with the fans as a whole. Voice your opinions on the radio and on the forums etc but don't boo at the games .... Do you really believe that encourages the team to perform better ?

Thirdly I believe that the West Bromwich Albion fans are delusional , do you really believe that we are underachieving? If so your just as bad if not worse than the villa fans who believe they should be in the top 10.

Wake up baggies .... Get behind our team and we really could finish in a very respectable position this season and who knows maybe a trip to Wembley.
we could just as well be relegated and get knocked out of the fac at lowly p,boro.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 01:32:19 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 03, 2016, 01:27:47 PM
That was a weird season though. The last 2 seasons 49 points would have been a 10th-11th place finish. If Pulis finished the season with 49-50 points (finishing 10th-12th say) what would you think of the state of the club?

You cant just write off or try to diminsh the 8th place as a weird season. It will be weird of Leicester win the league with 76 points this season but that doesnt take away from anything they would of achieved. We finished 8th that season because we deserved to.

If Pulis finished 10th playing the same style as we are now I'd feel exactly the same as if we finished 17th playing the same way. I still dont know why it doesnt seem to get through that for the vast majority of people not happy with Pulis the problem is not, and never has been, with results/points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 03, 2016, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: Mooncat on February 03, 2016, 01:09:28 PM
And with WBA Plc losing "customers" this may be sooner rather than later (although I accept last night was a midweek game, on the back of a couple of home games, cold etc but still our lowest PL attendance)


I wouldn't think falling gates in itself would cause too much of a problem, most of the revenue comes from TV money, it's whether or not the playing style would have an influence on the saleability of the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 01:41:26 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 01:32:19 PM
You cant just write off or try to diminsh the 8th place as a weird season. It will be weird of Leicester win the league with 76 points this season but that doesnt take away from anything they would of achieved. We finished 8th that season because we deserved to.

If Pulis finished 10th playing the same style as we are now I'd feel exactly the same as if we finished 17th playing the same way. I still dont know why it doesnt seem to get through that for the vast majority of people not happy with Pulis the problem is not, and never has been, with results/points.

And that's what I think is ridiculous.  This snooty idea that we should get rid of a manager, who is doing a decent enough job when we've been crying out for one, purely because you don't like the style of football.  So even if we win the FA Cup and get into Europe you'll want the manager sacked?  As I said, ridiculous, when have our fans ever felt so entitled?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 01:32:19 PM
You cant just write off or try to diminsh the 8th place as a weird season. It will be weird of Leicester win the league with 76 points this season but that doesnt take away from anything they would of achieved. We finished 8th that season because we deserved to.

If Pulis finished 10th playing the same style as we are now I'd feel exactly the same as if we finished 17th playing the same way. I still dont know why it doesnt seem to get through that for the vast majority of people not happy with Pulis the problem is not, and never has been, with results/points.

I think the vast majority are content to give TP a chance to rebuild a team that was only heading one way, don't get the words 'vocal minority' confused with 'vast majority'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 03, 2016, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 01:42:17 PM
I think the vast majority are content to give TP a chance to rebuild a team that was only heading one way, don't get the words 'vocal minority' confused with 'vast majority'.

I think there is an undercurrent though BP, & it is starting to swell.

Personally, I think he could take us to another level, & with a pretty firm foundation, after that who knows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 02:32:42 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 01:41:26 PM
And that's what I think is ridiculous.  This snooty idea that we should get rid of a manager, who is doing a decent enough job when we've been crying out for one, purely because you don't like the style of football.  So even if we win the FA Cup and get into Europe you'll want the manager sacked?  As I said, ridiculous, when have our fans ever felt so entitled?

In a 3 line reply you've managed used the word ridiculous twice, snooty and called my opinion entitled. On the theme of entitled is there a reason you seem to think anything anyone else has to say is so 'ridiculous'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 01:42:17 PM
I think the vast majority are content to give TP a chance to rebuild a team that was only heading one way, don't get the words 'vocal minority' confused with 'vast majority'.

You've taken that out of context or I've not made it clear enough. I did not state/mean in any way that the vast majority of fans do not want Pulis. I have stated that of the fans who do not want Pulis (be that 100, 100 or 10,000) the reason the vast majority dont want him has nothing to do with results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 02:38:41 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 01:42:17 PM
I think the vast majority are content to give TP a chance to rebuild a team that was only heading one way, don't get the words 'vocal minority' confused with 'vast majority'.
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 02:36:06 PM
You've taken that out of context or I've not made it clear enough. I did not state/mean in any way that the vast majority of fans do not want Pulis. I have stated that of the fans who do not want Pulis (be that 100, 100 or 10,000) the reason the vast majority dont want him has nothing to do with results.

Out of interest do you have any proof such as a poll that suggests/shows that people who dont want Pulis are in the minority or is that an assumption?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 03, 2016, 02:41:00 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 02:38:41 PM
Out of interest do you have any proof such as a poll that suggests/shows that people who dont want Pulis are in the minority or is that an assumption?

A poll taken from this forum is not representative either way given the low number who use this and other sites and would change after each and every game as is the case usually.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 03, 2016, 02:41:00 PM
A poll taken from this forum is not representative either way given the low number who use this and other sites and would change after each and every game as is the case usually.

Exactly my point. So why has the assumption been made that people who want Pulis out are the vocal minority?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 03, 2016, 03:32:58 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on February 03, 2016, 01:20:46 PM
if pulis gets backed in the summer we could push on even higher towards 8th+
He was very well backed at Stoke - did they ever finish as high as that whilst he was there (rhetorical question)? The answer is that they never finished in the top half of the Prem in any season that he was there (but they did in Mark Hughes' first season there). Why would you expect it to be different with us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 03, 2016, 03:34:53 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 03, 2016, 03:32:58 PM
He was very well backed at Stoke - did they ever finish as high as that whilst he was there (rhetorical question)? The answer is that they never finished in the top half of the Prem in any season that he was there (but they did in Mark Hughes' first season there). Why would you expect it to be different with us?

Because we're not Stoke, what happened at Stoke has no bearing on what could happen here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 03:40:06 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 02:43:11 PM
Exactly my point. So why has the assumption been made that people who want Pulis out are the vocal minority?
What about your assumption that those who want Pulis out want him out based purely on the quality of the football?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 03, 2016, 03:42:29 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 03, 2016, 03:34:53 PM
Because we're not Stoke, what happened at Stoke has no bearing on what could happen here.
So you don't think what Irvine did in his career previously had any bearing on what he did here either?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 03, 2016, 03:44:46 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 03, 2016, 03:42:29 PM
So you don't think what Irvine did in his career previously had any bearing on what he did here either?

No it didn't, it should have had a bearing on him getting the job (failure at lower levels meant he should have never been anywhere near a WBA interview), but not the actual job he did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 04:03:41 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 03:40:06 PM
What about your assumption that those who want Pulis out want him out based purely on the quality of the football?

It's not an assumption. Go back and look through all the previous posters complaints about Pulis. You will find far more complaining about the style of football rather than the actual results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 04:03:41 PM
It's not an assumption. Go back and look through all the previous posters complaints about Pulis. You will find far more complaining about the style of football rather than the actual results.

Of course it's an assumption, you've not polled everyone involved.  You don't know but your assumption is worth more than others.  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 03, 2016, 04:08:00 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 03, 2016, 03:34:53 PM
Because we're not Stoke, what happened at Stoke has no bearing on what could happen here.

Just because Pulis has never been relegated before doesn't mean it won't happen here either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 03, 2016, 04:13:02 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 04:04:27 PM
Of course it's an assumption, you've not polled everyone involved.  You don't know but your assumption is worth more than others.  ::)

You of all people really want a discussion on believing someone's opinion is worth more than others? You do know it's easy to drag up peoples posting history and clear to see your comments that have been aimed at anyone who doesn't share your view?

Throw it out there and see how many people's problem with Pulis is to do with results/points on the board and then come back to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 04:18:16 PM
I don't think my opinion is worth more than anyone elses.  I disagree with the amount of flack that the manager and the players are currently getting that's all.

It's a simple fact, you made an assumption that for all I know may even be correct, but it's still an assumption.  You're the one who had a pot at another poster for making assumptions while you were making your own.  It's hypocritical.

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Actually Astle1968, it doesn't matter, feel free to follow through on your threat to post my post history. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 03, 2016, 05:30:30 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 03:40:06 PM
What about your assumption that those who want Pulis out want him out based purely on the quality of the football?

What else is it based on?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 03, 2016, 05:41:06 PM
My issues with TP are
1. Non-entertaining football
2. Non-use of some squad players - ie, Kids / Poc / Gamboa / Chester / Gnabry
3. High % (IMO) of poor signings,
         for clarity I think that J.Evans / D.Fletch/ J.McLean are good - J.Chester / Mcmanaman / Gnabry (loan I know) are /were bad, so his success rate is 60% which in our financial position is not good enough (sadly).

But for all of that, I still maintain we have to give him till next Jan to judge, unless of course the wheels come off between now and may.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 03, 2016, 06:00:08 PM
8th plus  :D behave yourself Benny foster you'll give me a hernia.

He's style of football will in my opinion always stop him from breaking that top 10 and more importantly he's mind set of setting up not to lose at lower placed teams, perfect fit for a club like ours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 03, 2016, 06:11:11 PM
We've had a good solid season in terms of results, the football hasn't been the best the last few games probably due to losing the creativity of Brunt and Morrison. Pulis needs another transfer window, give him time to sort us out.

Be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on February 03, 2016, 06:20:28 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 03, 2016, 06:11:11 PM
We've had a good solid season in terms of results, the football hasn't been the best the last few games probably due to losing the creativity of Brunt and Morrison. Pulis needs another transfer window, give him time to sort us out.

Be careful what you wish for.

After all of the conversation on here over the past few days, I think you have summed it up rather well Legend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 03, 2016, 06:11:11 PM
We've had a good solid season in terms of results, the football hasn't been the best the last few games probably due to losing the creativity of Brunt and Morrison. Pulis needs another transfer window, give him time to sort us out.

Be careful what you wish for.

Exactly, I would hope most Albion fans are astute enough to realise that, in fact, I'm sure they are. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 06:53:57 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 03, 2016, 06:11:11 PM
We've had a good solid season in terms of results, the football hasn't been the best the last few games probably due to losing the creativity of Brunt and Morrison. Pulis needs another transfer window, give him time to sort us out.

Be careful what you wish for.

On top of the three he's already had? No thanks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 03, 2016, 06:59:44 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 03, 2016, 06:11:11 PM
We've had a good solid season in terms of results, the football hasn't been the best the last few games probably due to losing the creativity of Brunt and Morrison. Pulis needs another transfer window, give him time to sort us out.

Be careful what you wish for.

Far too sensible, it seems to be a real Baggies supporter you need to be over emotional, irrational and unable to see the big picture, instant gratification and to never be satisfied.

I blame football manger and some of the so called pundits and radio presenters on talk s*ie who get paid to be confrontational and contentious. TV pundits who over analyse referee decisions and call for red cards, and penalties, who support their cheating ex-colleagues who dive and roll in agony. Pundits who criticise every manager (although they couldn't do the job themselves) look at last weeks calling for Man Ure manager to be sacked - being criticised by the likes of an Merson an ex Walsall Manager and allegedly a coke head - we sup it up - it beggars belief and unfortunately spills into our supporters minds and corrupts our individual analysis.

I long for the days of the whole hearted and not unskillful players who showed bravery and skill - the likes of John Wile, Derek Kevan, Bobby Hope, Bryan Robson, George Best,  Dennis Law and so on, yes we lost and were disappointed, debated the games in the pub, on the train bus or coach home then we let it rest untill the next week we hoped for better days, experienced falling at the last fence, cup finals and semi finals lost. Always seeming to lose against the Vile, obliterating the Dingles

We are not in the depths of football falling to Woking, Halifax etc.in the FA Cup, losing 6 - 2 to Grimsby. 3rd Division, 2nd division, progress with Megson, topsy-turvey and great escape with Robson, better football philosophy (soft feet and underbelly) from Mowbray, glimpses of what we could be from di Matteo, pragmatism with Hodgson,  instability and lack of progress with next managers then striving for stability and reducing the continuous threat of relegation we have Pullis.

Not great, not all bad, maybe, just maybe if we are patient and make our own analysis without the influence of the gobsh**s, a good progression in the next transfer window may see us play like the best of Crystal Palace, us, the Baggies, counter attacking with pace, creative passing and a solid defence - maybe we are halfway there

Today we are as supporters being and encouraged to be critical, over critical because this makes news, makes arguments, makes us behave out of character.

We should be going to support our team to cheer the good, to encourage improvement, to gee player along and be philosophical when we fail and look forward to better days - they always come but so do the poor that's the nature of football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 07:18:59 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 03, 2016, 06:59:44 PM
Far too sensible, it seems to be a real Baggies supporter you need to be over emotional, irrational and unable to see the big picture, instant gratification and to never be satisfied.

I blame football manger

I stopped reading about here to be honest.

Seriously, what is everyone's problem with constructive criticism? The only over emotional ones are the ones that are jumping on every single bit of constructive criticism aimed towards the manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 07:22:17 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 03, 2016, 06:59:44 PM
Far too sensible, it seems to be a real Baggies supporter you need to be over emotional, irrational and unable to see the big picture, instant gratification and to never be satisfied.

I blame football manger and some of the so called pundits and radio presenters on talk s*ie who get paid to be confrontational and contentious. TV pundits who over analyse referee decisions and call for red cards, and penalties, who support their cheating ex-colleagues who dive and roll in agony. Pundits who criticise every manager (although they couldn't do the job themselves) look at last weeks calling for Man Ure manager to be sacked - being criticised by the likes of an Merson an ex Walsall Manager and allegedly a coke head - we sup it up - it beggars belief and unfortunately spills into our supporters minds and corrupts our individual analysis.

I long for the days of the whole hearted and not unskillful players who showed bravery and skill - the likes of John Wile, Derek Kevan, Bobby Hope, Bryan Robson, George Best,  Dennis Law and so on, yes we lost and were disappointed, debated the games in the pub, on the train bus or coach home then we let it rest untill the next week we hoped for better days, experienced falling at the last fence, cup finals and semi finals lost. Always seeming to lose against the Vile, obliterating the Dingles

We are not in the depths of football falling to Woking, Halifax etc.in the FA Cup, losing 6 - 2 to Grimsby. 3rd Division, 2nd division, progress with Megson, topsy-turvey and great escape with Robson, better football philosophy (soft feet and underbelly) from Mowbray, glimpses of what we could be from di Matteo, pragmatism with Hodgson,  instability and lack of progress with next managers then striving for stability and reducing the continuous threat of relegation we have Pullis.

Not great, not all bad, maybe, just maybe if we are patient and make our own analysis without the influence of the gobsh**s, a good progression in the next transfer window may see us play like the best of Crystal Palace, us, the Baggies, counter attacking with pace, creative passing and a solid defence - maybe we are halfway there

Today we are as supporters being and encouraged to be critical, over critical because this makes news, makes arguments, makes us behave out of character.

We should be going to support our team to cheer the good, to encourage improvement, to gee player along and be philosophical when we fail and look forward to better days - they always come but so do the poor that's the nature of football

You have restored my faith in the Albion faithful with that post, the best post I have read on here in months, a genuine thank you! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on February 03, 2016, 07:35:18 PM
Tbf I am a Pulis fan in the main. We desperately need a long term overhaul of our squad. I'm not sure TP is the man to do this but go back 18 months what were our options? Who else seriously was an option then? Who is now? He's shown a more expansive style at C P but he had options there! Let's stay in the premier league, take the money & build with or without TP! The next 3 months let's just grit our teeth for the greater good of West Bromwich Albion, we need to be in the PL for the money!
Take a step back & look at the Villa! European cup aside would we swap places today?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 03, 2016, 07:40:28 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 07:18:59 PM
I stopped reading about here to be honest.

Seriously, what is everyone's problem with constructive criticism? The only over emotional ones are the ones that are jumping on every single bit of constructive criticism aimed towards the manager.

Maybe you should be open minded enough to read all of it - perhaps there may be a ring of truth, perhaps you may learn something.

Constructive criticism with an open mind and some facts is always welcome ;D

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 07:44:08 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 03, 2016, 07:40:28 PM
Maybe you should be open minded enough to read all of it - perhaps there may be a ring of truth, perhaps you may learn something.

Constructive criticism with an open mind and some facts is always welcome ;D

Maybe you should be more open minded and consider that those that have a different opinion to yourself are not some kind of anti-Christ, born in 1992 football supporters bred by the greed league, Football Manager and TalkSport - they are genuine, loyal supporters who have been around for decades and are concerned about the direction the club is heading under the current manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 03, 2016, 07:48:58 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 07:44:08 PM
Maybe you should be more open minded and consider that those that have a different opinion to yourself are not some kind of anti-Christ, born in 1992 football supporters bred by the greed league, Football Manager and TalkSport - they are genuine, loyal supporters who have been around for decades and are concerned about the direction the club is heading under the current manager.

I know and you know my dads bigger than your dad - don't talk rubbish to those who have probably been supporting longer than you - how dare you bring a discussion down to your level of pettiness - whenever did I say you were right or wrong - to dismiss something without reading it , is at the least presumptuous on you part and at the worst arrogant  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 03, 2016, 07:54:03 PM
Better the devil you know
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 03, 2016, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 03, 2016, 06:59:44 PM
Far too sensible, it seems to be a real Baggies supporter you need to be over emotional, irrational and unable to see the big picture, instant gratification and to never be satisfied.

I blame football manger and some of the so called pundits and radio presenters on talk s*ie who get paid to be confrontational and contentious. TV pundits who over analyse referee decisions and call for red cards, and penalties, who support their cheating ex-colleagues who dive and roll in agony. Pundits who criticise every manager (although they couldn't do the job themselves) look at last weeks calling for Man Ure manager to be sacked - being criticised by the likes of an Merson an ex Walsall Manager and allegedly a coke head - we sup it up - it beggars belief and unfortunately spills into our supporters minds and corrupts our individual analysis.

I long for the days of the whole hearted and not unskillful players who showed bravery and skill - the likes of John Wile, Derek Kevan, Bobby Hope, Bryan Robson, George Best,  Dennis Law and so on, yes we lost and were disappointed, debated the games in the pub, on the train bus or coach home then we let it rest untill the next week we hoped for better days, experienced falling at the last fence, cup finals and semi finals lost. Always seeming to lose against the Vile, obliterating the Dingles

We are not in the depths of football falling to Woking, Halifax etc.in the FA Cup, losing 6 - 2 to Grimsby. 3rd Division, 2nd division, progress with Megson, topsy-turvey and great escape with Robson, better football philosophy (soft feet and underbelly) from Mowbray, glimpses of what we could be from di Matteo, pragmatism with Hodgson,  instability and lack of progress with next managers then striving for stability and reducing the continuous threat of relegation we have Pullis.

Not great, not all bad, maybe, just maybe if we are patient and make our own analysis without the influence of the gobsh**s, a good progression in the next transfer window may see us play like the best of Crystal Palace, us, the Baggies, counter attacking with pace, creative passing and a solid defence - maybe we are halfway there

Today we are as supporters being and encouraged to be critical, over critical because this makes news, makes arguments, makes us behave out of character.

We should be going to support our team to cheer the good, to encourage improvement, to gee player along and be philosophical when we fail and look forward to better days - they always come but so do the poor that's the nature of football
Very good post Sir! Thank you for taking the trouble.Really enjoyed reading that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 07:18:59 PM
I stopped reading about here to be honest.

Seriously, what is everyone's problem with constructive criticism? The only over emotional ones are the ones that are jumping on every single bit of constructive criticism aimed towards the manager.

I really think you need to look up the meaning of constructive.

Demonising Tony Pulis is totally and utterly destructive, its not helping our club, it just causes problems that are not needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 08:01:54 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 07:59:58 PM
I really think you need to look up the meaning of constructive.

Demonising Tony Pulis is totally and utterly destructive, its not helping our club, it just causes problems that are not needed.

Who is demonising Tony Pulis? And how would one go about demonising someone out of interest?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 08:03:58 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 08:01:54 PM
Who is demonising Tony Pulis? And how would one go about demonising someone out of interest?

If you don't know, I can't help you I'm afraid. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 03, 2016, 08:07:58 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 08:03:58 PM
If you don't know, I can't help you I'm afraid. ;)

Completely avoided the question, thought as much.

If criticising a manager's tactics and signings is demonising then guilty as charged.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 03, 2016, 08:31:29 PM
Just heard that we've only lost once in the last 9 games, this is with injuries to key players while also playing a lot of games in a period which we usually suffer a dip in form. Not bad really.

Funnily enough I remember Hodgson getting a lot of criticism on here for his style of play, many wanted him gone after two home losses to Swansea and Norwich. The next game we beat Wolves 5-1 and you never heard a peep after that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 03, 2016, 08:40:03 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 03, 2016, 07:54:03 PM
Better the devil you know
if you follow that theory we would still have Irvine, in fact we would only change a manager if he left on his own accord or died doing the job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2016, 08:42:50 PM
That's a cracking post halifax.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fatboy_coach on February 03, 2016, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 03, 2016, 08:31:29 PM
Just heard that we've only lost once in the last 9 games, this is with injuries to key players while also playing a lot of games in a period which we usually suffer a dip in form. Not bad really.

Funnily enough I remember Hodgson getting a lot of criticism on here for his style of play, many wanted him gone after two home losses to Swansea and Norwich. The next game we beat Wolves 5-1 and you never heard a peep after that.

Unfortunately for TP, he missed his chance by not kicking the snot out of the Villa. If we'd beaten them (I know it then changes the stats) then many would have forgotten but as we were toilet this has added to the frustration of the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on February 03, 2016, 08:43:38 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 03, 2016, 08:31:29 PM
Just heard that we've only lost once in the last 9 games, this is with injuries to key players while also playing a lot of games in a period which we usually suffer a dip in form. Not bad really.

Funnily enough I remember Hodgson getting a lot of criticism on here for his style of play, many wanted him gone after two home losses to Swansea and Norwich. The next game we beat Wolves 5-1 and you never heard a peep after that.
I just wish the vocal minority would get off Pulis' back. He is doing wonders to keep a very limited ageing squad like ours virtually mid table. The older contributors will remember the dark days under the likes of Howe, Gould, Talbot, Buckley and Smith. Not only was the football dreadful the results were too. Snatching 1-0 wins or draws under those was rarity and losses usual and results like last night would have been welcome. We lost 11 on the bounce in what is now the Championship under Buckley including a 0-3 home thumping from the Dingles. It was awful. Pulis is doing a great job - just look at Villa, I would not want to swap places or managers come to that. In Pulis I trust. When we have guaranteed mid-table safety that is when we kick on like Stoke and West Ham have in the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 03, 2016, 08:52:53 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 03, 2016, 06:59:44 PM
Far too sensible, it seems to be a real Baggies supporter you need to be over emotional, irrational and unable to see the big picture, instant gratification and to never be satisfied.

I blame football manger and some of the so called pundits and radio presenters on talk s*ie who get paid to be confrontational and contentious. TV pundits who over analyse referee decisions and call for red cards, and penalties, who support their cheating ex-colleagues who dive and roll in agony. Pundits who criticise every manager (although they couldn't do the job themselves) look at last weeks calling for Man Ure manager to be sacked - being criticised by the likes of an Merson an ex Walsall Manager and allegedly a coke head - we sup it up - it beggars belief and unfortunately spills into our supporters minds and corrupts our individual analysis.

I long for the days of the whole hearted and not unskillful players who showed bravery and skill - the likes of John Wile, Derek Kevan, Bobby Hope, Bryan Robson, George Best,  Dennis Law and so on, yes we lost and were disappointed, debated the games in the pub, on the train bus or coach home then we let it rest untill the next week we hoped for better days, experienced falling at the last fence, cup finals and semi finals lost. Always seeming to lose against the Vile, obliterating the Dingles

We are not in the depths of football falling to Woking, Halifax etc.in the FA Cup, losing 6 - 2 to Grimsby. 3rd Division, 2nd division, progress with Megson, topsy-turvey and great escape with Robson, better football philosophy (soft feet and underbelly) from Mowbray, glimpses of what we could be from di Matteo, pragmatism with Hodgson,  instability and lack of progress with next managers then striving for stability and reducing the continuous threat of relegation we have Pullis.

Not great, not all bad, maybe, just maybe if we are patient and make our own analysis without the influence of the gobsh**s, a good progression in the next transfer window may see us play like the best of Crystal Palace, us, the Baggies, counter attacking with pace, creative passing and a solid defence - maybe we are halfway there

Today we are as supporters being and encouraged to be critical, over critical because this makes news, makes arguments, makes us behave out of character.

We should be going to support our team to cheer the good, to encourage improvement, to gee player along and be philosophical when we fail and look forward to better days - they always come but so do the poor that's the nature of football
how can we maybe halfway there, we don't do or are incapable of doing any of these things.
counter attack with pace  eh no
creative passing   another no
solid defence, do you wear a welders mask at the match.         
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 03, 2016, 09:05:27 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 03, 2016, 08:52:53 PM
how can we maybe halfway there, we don't do or are incapable of doing any of these things.
counter attack with pace  eh no
creative passing   another no
solid defence, do you wear a welders mask at the match.         
He was at Palace for 28 games. He needed more time to knock the attacking ability out of them. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 03, 2016, 09:19:44 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 03, 2016, 09:05:27 PM
He was at Palace for 28 games. He needed more time to knock the attacking ability out of them. ;D

I think Palace fans would question our perception that Palarse played free flowing attacking football regularly when TP was there. However I do think TP is pragmatic enough to have recognised that Palaces strength is pace on the wings and he exploited this,

Much as he's recognised our strengths are not mobility / pace / passing accuracy so he has focused on other aspects of the game, ie defensive organisation / physicality and set pieces.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 03, 2016, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 03, 2016, 06:59:44 PM
Far too sensible, it seems to be a real Baggies supporter you need to be over emotional, irrational and unable to see the big picture, instant gratification and to never be satisfied.

I blame football manger and some of the so called pundits and radio presenters on talk s*ie who get paid to be confrontational and contentious. TV pundits who over analyse referee decisions and call for red cards, and penalties, who support their cheating ex-colleagues who dive and roll in agony. Pundits who criticise every manager (although they couldn't do the job themselves) look at last weeks calling for Man Ure manager to be sacked - being criticised by the likes of an Merson an ex Walsall Manager and allegedly a coke head - we sup it up - it beggars belief and unfortunately spills into our supporters minds and corrupts our individual analysis.

I long for the days of the whole hearted and not unskillful players who showed bravery and skill - the likes of John Wile, Derek Kevan, Bobby Hope, Bryan Robson, George Best,  Dennis Law and so on, yes we lost and were disappointed, debated the games in the pub, on the train bus or coach home then we let it rest untill the next week we hoped for better days, experienced falling at the last fence, cup finals and semi finals lost. Always seeming to lose against the Vile, obliterating the Dingles

We are not in the depths of football falling to Woking, Halifax etc.in the FA Cup, losing 6 - 2 to Grimsby. 3rd Division, 2nd division, progress with Megson, topsy-turvey and great escape with Robson, better football philosophy (soft feet and underbelly) from Mowbray, glimpses of what we could be from di Matteo, pragmatism with Hodgson,  instability and lack of progress with next managers then striving for stability and reducing the continuous threat of relegation we have Pullis.

Not great, not all bad, maybe, just maybe if we are patient and make our own analysis without the influence of the gobsh**s, a good progression in the next transfer window may see us play like the best of Crystal Palace, us, the Baggies, counter attacking with pace, creative passing and a solid defence - maybe we are halfway there

Today we are as supporters being and encouraged to be critical, over critical because this makes news, makes arguments, makes us behave out of character.

We should be going to support our team to cheer the good, to encourage improvement, to gee player along and be philosophical when we fail and look forward to better days - they always come but so do the poor that's the nature of football


Very well put, nice to see a balanced view
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nocky on February 03, 2016, 09:53:54 PM
I genuinely believe this squad of players is amongst the worst 3 in the premier league. With this in mind, I think Pulis is doing a good job with the limited tools available to him. He needs time go turn around the last 3 years of mismanagement and poor transfer dealings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 03, 2016, 09:57:10 PM
We are 5 points better off than this time last year in terms of relegation.

We are also the best team in the West Midlands by some distance, and should be the only Premier League team in the region next season  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 03, 2016, 11:02:45 PM
With the work that still needs to be done on the squad I firmly believe that so far in his time at the club its all been about steadying the ship and remaining in the Premier League for the big pay day next year. Our problems were never going to be solved in one summer and two January transfer windows. My opinion of Pulis simply hasn't changed since we appointed him, I don't think we are as bad as most like to make out but equally I feel we could have done better in a fair few games despite the deficiencies in the squad.

If I were to give his time here a mark out of 10 I would go with a 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 03, 2016, 11:29:43 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 03, 2016, 08:52:53 PM
how can we maybe halfway there, we don't do or are incapable of doing any of these things.
counter attack with pace  eh no
creative passing   another no
solid defence, do you wear a welders mask at the match.         

I think before making insults it would be better if you read and could comprehend what was written.

See above "good progression in the next transfer window may..............."

We do have a solid defence the record for goals against shows that and we are difficult to beat, not pretty but effective

I don't wear a welders mask nor rose tinted specs, however if your expectations are to play the "Baggies Way" whatever that may be, I suggest that we have only played exciting winning football in the early 1950s, under Giles in the second division followed by Atkinson in the first division. All in all about 10 seasons out of the last 60 helps put our record into perspective and that was all before the Sky money and the premier division monies. We have no "golden tit" (lot of good that did the Dingles) or Lerner at the Vile. Befor that money we were at least equal to Man City and Chelsea. Not to be insulting you sound like a West Ham fan yearning for that that never was - a figment of your imagination.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 04, 2016, 01:15:55 AM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 03, 2016, 06:59:44 PM
Far too sensible, it seems to be a real Baggies supporter you need to be over emotional, irrational and unable to see the big picture, instant gratification and to never be satisfied.

I blame football manger and some of the so called pundits and radio presenters on talk s*ie who get paid to be confrontational and contentious. TV pundits who over analyse referee decisions and call for red cards, and penalties, who support their cheating ex-colleagues who dive and roll in agony. Pundits who criticise every manager (although they couldn't do the job themselves) look at last weeks calling for Man Ure manager to be sacked - being criticised by the likes of an Merson an ex Walsall Manager and allegedly a coke head - we sup it up - it beggars belief and unfortunately spills into our supporters minds and corrupts our individual analysis.

I long for the days of the whole hearted and not unskillful players who showed bravery and skill - the likes of John Wile, Derek Kevan, Bobby Hope, Bryan Robson, George Best,  Dennis Law and so on, yes we lost and were disappointed, debated the games in the pub, on the train bus or coach home then we let it rest untill the next week we hoped for better days, experienced falling at the last fence, cup finals and semi finals lost. Always seeming to lose against the Vile, obliterating the Dingles

We are not in the depths of football falling to Woking, Halifax etc.in the FA Cup, losing 6 - 2 to Grimsby. 3rd Division, 2nd division, progress with Megson, topsy-turvey and great escape with Robson, better football philosophy (soft feet and underbelly) from Mowbray, glimpses of what we could be from di Matteo, pragmatism with Hodgson,  instability and lack of progress with next managers then striving for stability and reducing the continuous threat of relegation we have Pullis.

Not great, not all bad, maybe, just maybe if we are patient and make our own analysis without the influence of the gobsh**s, a good progression in the next transfer window may see us play like the best of Crystal Palace, us, the Baggies, counter attacking with pace, creative passing and a solid defence - maybe we are halfway there

Today we are as supporters being and encouraged to be critical, over critical because this makes news, makes arguments, makes us behave out of character.

We should be going to support our team to cheer the good, to encourage improvement, to gee player along and be philosophical when we fail and look forward to better days - they always come but so do the poor that's the nature of football
Thanks Halifax a long post but very true especially the part about the pundits influence on fan thinking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 07:15:51 AM
All we keep hearing is pulis needs time, he needs transfer window to do this and that.....

The transfer window has just gone and we loaned 1 out and loaned 2 in. It seems mr peace does not trust pulis with any more money,  and i dont blame him.

More and more fans are turning against pulis and i love it. Exactly what i predcted would happen, is happening.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 04, 2016, 07:19:48 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 07:15:51 AM
All we keep hearing is pulis needs time, he needs transfer window to do this and that.....

The transfer window has just gone and we loaned 1 out and loaned 2 in. It seems mr peace does not trust pulis with any more money,  and i dont blame him.

More and more fans are turning against pulis and i love it. Exactly what i predcted would happen, is happening.

Whilst I don't rate Pulis and never have I cant say I love the fact more fans are turning against him.

Given the choice I would like to see him gone, however I would love it if he proved me wrong and changed his style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 07:24:38 AM
Quote from: Aztech on February 04, 2016, 07:19:48 AM
Whilst I don't rate Pulis and never have I cant say I love the fact more fans are turning against him.

Given the choice I would like to see him gone, however I would love it if he proved me wrong and changed his style.

That ship has sailed Aztech.

The only way he will go is by supporter power. The boo's on tuesday after we got a late goal said it all for me. Fans are turning, people are sick of going to games to watch that dross. I know at least 10 people who have stopped going regular this season because of pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 04, 2016, 07:28:04 AM
History should tell you we rarely do anything significant in the January window so to jump to the conclusion that he simply hasn't been trusted with further money is pure conjecture.

You really don't need to tell us you love to see fans turn on him. I've known a couple of fans that have been pretty much gutted when we have performed well and got wins and you remind me of them, they made their minds up about him before he even got the job and their attitude about it is something I will never understand to be honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 04, 2016, 07:40:14 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on February 04, 2016, 07:28:04 AM
History should tell you we rarely do anything significant in the January window so to jump to the conclusion that he simply hasn't been trusted with further money is pure conjecture.

We spent £5m on a winger last January. If we want to do business the money is there, we are one of the richest clubs in the world.

It could well be that Pulis didn't want to spend any money in January, we don't know. It might be that we tried for a few players for £5-10m in January but couldn't get the deals through.

As you say, it's all conjecture.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 07:40:48 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on February 04, 2016, 07:28:04 AM
History should tell you we rarely do anything significant in the January window so to jump to the conclusion that he simply hasn't been trusted with further money is pure conjecture.

You really don't need to tell us you love to see fans turn on him. I've known a couple of fans that have been pretty much gutted when we have performed well and got wins and you remind me of them, they made their minds up about him before he even got the job and their attitude about it is something I will never understand to be honest.

When he was at stoke we all detested how he played, it is not football. We are playing football like back in the 90s. The game has moved on.

He is a dinosaur!

We havent done much business in jan because weve never really needed to, this time we needed to and JP didnt trust him.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on February 04, 2016, 08:21:31 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 07:40:48 AM
When he was at stoke we all detested how he played, it is not football. We are playing football like back in the 90s. The game has moved on.

He is a dinosaur!

We havent done much business in jan because weve never really needed to, this time we needed to and JP didnt trust him.

While I'm not a fan of Pulis I don't really buy this "Peace doesn't trust him" narrative. In terms of the consequences of failing to survive there is is such a huge amount at stake for Albion, and particularly for JP if he still wants to sell, can anyone really believe that if he truly didn't trust Pulis that TP would still be around? I certainly don't. Peace doesn't shrink from the hard decision, Pulis would have walked long ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 04, 2016, 08:36:17 AM
Express and Star currently running a poll on their website with the question do you want to keep your manager next season and at present it is 52% to 48% in favour.

Which demonstrates two things the fans are pretty much split down the middle on Pulis.  I think it is surprisingly low given where we are in the league I doubt whether Hodgson, Clarke, Mel, DiMatteo or  Mowbray would have got less than a 60% approval rating on the back of our current league performance. On the other hand I suspect Irvine could have done a Leicester and would still not get a better than 50% approval rating.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 04, 2016, 08:43:51 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 07:22:17 PM
You have restored my faith in the Albion faithful with that post, the best post I have read on here in months, a genuine thank you! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

i agree. can we shut this thread down now??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 04, 2016, 08:47:42 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 07:40:48 AM
We havent done much business in jan because weve never really needed to, this time we needed to and JP didnt trust him.
That's just balls.  So the years we got relegated we didn't need to do much business?  I remember one January and we were practically without our entire backline for several games.

We've never done much business in January.  Other clubs are doing less and less business in January as well, look at the signings this year.  It's got nothing to do with "trusting" Pulis, yet more poisonous rumours pushed by 'fans' like yourself.

I bet if we'd bought a load of players you'd say that Peace thinks Pulis isn't doing a good enough job. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 04, 2016, 09:06:54 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 07:40:48 AM
When he was at stoke we all detested how he played, it is not football. We are playing football like back in the 90s. The game has moved on.

He is a dinosaur!

We havent done much business in jan because weve never really needed to, this time we needed to and JP didnt trust him.

Can we have a link or source to prove that JP didn't trust him
Why don't you just type FACT after all your posts so that we all have to believe what you post ?
Bet you were gutted when the equalizer went in on Tuesday weren't you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 04, 2016, 09:10:52 AM
January has never been the best time to buy, we rarely have busy Windows whoever is at the helm. Peace loves value and there traditionally is very little to be had.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 04, 2016, 09:16:55 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 07:15:51 AM
All we keep hearing is pulis needs time, he needs transfer window to do this and that.....

The transfer window has just gone and we loaned 1 out and loaned 2 in. It seems mr peace does not trust pulis with any more money,  and i dont blame him.

More and more fans are turning against pulis and i love it. Exactly what i predcted would happen, is happening.

You're on a wind-up  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 04, 2016, 09:22:02 AM
Boing Along 48% of "fans" don't want Pulis here next season, please don't imply that just because someone doesn't share your view  that they aren't fans.

For what it is worth there may well be tension between JP and Pulis on transfer spending but a quiet January does not mean that JP doesn't trust Pulis. It is much more likely that the player budget was committed on those players we already have and without some significant sales nothing much was going to happen. 

I obviously don't want Pulis here much beyond the end of the season which I think is the best case scenario but I suspect the only way that is going to happen is a falling out over transfer strategy hence I will seize on any indication that all is not well behind scenes, it is my whistling dark.

If Pulis is still here I will be thinking of not renewing my season ticket which is something I never thought I would do, and trust me a relegation even a terrible one like the Villa are about to endure wouldn't prompt me to even consider it.

 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2016, 09:32:52 AM
M666

I have a real problem with this

"More and more fans are turning against pulis and i love it. Exactly what i predcted would happen, is happening."

I would love 100% of fans to be behind Pulis as it would mean we were doing well and we were being entertained, as much as I have issues with pulis, I want the club to be successful more!

You can't take TP's footballing style in isolation, you need to factor in , our poor (relatively) financial position, our unattractiveness to players, our clubs size 9we are not a big club....

Yes he could do things differently and personally i wish he would, but not to the greater detriment of the club we love,

As has often been said, the club and fans will still be here when Mr xxxxx has gone, You have to hope its in as strong  a position as possible when that happens, don't you???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 09:38:06 AM
Quote from: Albionic on February 04, 2016, 09:32:52 AM
M666

I have a real problem with this

"More and more fans are turning against pulis and i love it. Exactly what i predcted would happen, is happening."

I would love 100% of fans to be behind Pulis as it would mean we were doing well and we were being entertained, as much as I have issues with pulis, I want the club to be successful more!

You can't take TP's footballing style in isolation, you need to factor in , our poor (relatively) financial position, our unattractiveness to players, our clubs size 9we are not a big club....

Yes he could do things differently and personally i wish he would, but not to the greater detriment of the club we love,

As has often been said, the club and fans will still be here when Mr xxxxx has gone, You have to hope its in as strong  a position as possible when that happens, don't you???

Poor financial position????? I stopped reading after that. We are a wealthy club with no debt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 09:43:27 AM
A poll run by a paper does not reveal all fans feeling, neither does this website.

The people in that ground who watched that rubbish tuesday night have started voicing their opinion. The minority on here only have the balls behind a keyboard to shout people down. I have stood up many times this season inside the grounds and voiced what i think of pulis, not one person has said a dickie bird to me.

Tuesday is just a start, people close to me have been going home and away for 40 years, they have sent back newcastle and everton tickets, they didnt go up either tuesday night. I will be proved right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2016, 09:45:07 AM
well thats your prerogative,

I said  poor relatively financial position, if you don't acknowledge that which is factually correct then your right that it is pointless discussing further.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: Albionic on February 04, 2016, 09:45:07 AM
well thats your prerogative,

I said  poor relatively financial position, if you don't acknowledge that which is factually correct then your right that it is pointless discussing further.

Nobody in the premier league is poor, or wont be come end of may.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2016, 09:49:46 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 09:47:15 AM
Nobody in the premier league is poor, or wont be come end of may.

Christ almighty, No but some are poorer than others RELATIVELY !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 10:05:55 AM
Quote from: Albionic on February 04, 2016, 09:32:52 AM
M666

I have a real problem with this

"More and more fans are turning against pulis and i love it. Exactly what i predcted would happen, is happening."

I would love 100% of fans to be behind Pulis as it would mean we were doing well and we were being entertained, as much as I have issues with pulis, I want the club to be successful more!

You can't take TP's footballing style in isolation, you need to factor in , our poor (relatively) financial position, our unattractiveness to players, our clubs size 9we are not a big club....

Yes he could do things differently and personally i wish he would, but not to the greater detriment of the club we love,

As has often been said, the club and fans will still be here when Mr xxxxx has gone, You have to hope its in as strong  a position as possible when that happens, don't you???

and why do you think this is?

"we are not a big club...."  we are 1 of 20 that play in the richest and biggest league worldwide. so i would disagree.

The next manager who comes in here will have to get rid of all the workhorses and players that havent played that are on big money and get people playing in their right positions.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 04, 2016, 10:11:04 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 09:43:27 AM
A poll run by a paper does not reveal all fans feeling, neither does this website.

The people in that ground who watched that rubbish tuesday night have started voicing their opinion. The minority on here only have the balls behind a keyboard to shout people down. I have stood up many times this season inside the grounds and voiced what i think of pulis, not one person has said a dickie bird to me.

Tuesday is just a start, people close to me have been going home and away for 40 years, they have sent back newcastle and everton tickets, they didnt go up either tuesday night. I will be proved right.

If this argument is just about crowd size, I don't think you'll be proved anything. The ones who don't go will be replaced by others.
There are people who go to games just to watch football, & are not necessarily aligned to either team, if, as looks likely at the moment, we are the only EPL game in town after May, we'll probably get full houses anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 10:12:54 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 04, 2016, 10:11:04 AM
If this argument is just about crowd size, I don't think you'll be proved anything. The ones who don't go will be replaced by others.
There are people who go to games just to watch football, & are not necessarily aligned to either team, if, as looks likely at the moment, we are the only EPL game in town after May, we'll probably get full houses anyway.

dont know where you got crowd size from, but i was on about the boo'ing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 04, 2016, 10:14:54 AM
Quote from: Aztech on February 04, 2016, 07:19:48 AM
Whilst I don't rate Pulis and never have I cant say I love the fact more fans are turning against him.

Given the choice I would like to see him gone, however I would love it if he proved me wrong and changed his style.
Now that is common sense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2016, 10:18:07 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 10:00:15 AM
christ almighty, we are all poorer compared to man city arent we. ffs.

what a rubbish post to say we are all poor.

I don't understand why you are saying that,

I didn't write WE ARE ALL POOR, I said "our poor (relatively) position, which when I say "our" and we are talking about WBA on a WBA forum "our" means (wait for it) WBA.

To be honest, whilst I have a lot of sympathy with your frustration with Pulis, I'm surprised at how you are twisting words and omitting key elements when "quoting" and failing to accept that others views whilst different to yours may be just as valid.

I'm not going to engage in a discussion that could get personal as its not relevant to the point under discussion, so can we leave it there please. Thanks

COYB, oh and SOTV
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 04, 2016, 10:25:48 AM
Just think if saido poco gamboa macmanaman vic chester are sold in the summer say 25 m for saido and 10 m for the rest,with say 15 m from extra TV money we could easily have 50 m for tp et al to spend on better quality players, 5 players x 10 m each.I'm sure this is what Mr.peace is hoping to do.what about it? What's wrong with that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 04, 2016, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 10:12:54 AM
dont know where you got crowd size from, but i was on about the boo'ing.
From your post
Quote
Tuesday is just a start, people close to me have been going home and away for 40 years, they have sent back newcastle and everton tickets, they didnt go up either tuesday night. I will be proved right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 04, 2016, 10:32:29 AM
Pulis had some real stinkers at Stoke, bottom line they took £13m of impairment charges on player contracts while he was in charge. During the same period ours was virtually 0. You need to remember that players values are depreciated each year until the contract expires. So if a player signs a 3 year deal their book value is reduced by 33% at the end of year one. So to take an additional charge on top of between 25% to 33% depreciation shows how bad the deals where.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 04, 2016, 10:38:30 AM
I don't trust him with a penny of WBA cash and want to see him replaced with a more progressive manager in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 04, 2016, 10:43:15 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 04, 2016, 09:22:02 AM
Boing Along 48% of "fans" don't want Pulis here next season, please don't imply that just because someone doesn't share your view  that they aren't fans.

For what it is worth there may well be tension between JP and Pulis on transfer spending but a quiet January does not mean that JP doesn't trust Pulis. It is much more likely that the player budget was committed on those players we already have and without some significant sales nothing much was going to happen. 

I obviously don't want Pulis here much beyond the end of the season which I think is the best case scenario but I suspect the only way that is going to happen is a falling out over transfer strategy hence I will seize on any indication that all is not well behind scenes, it is my whistling dark.

If Pulis is still here I will be thinking of not renewing my season ticket which is something I never thought I would do, and trust me a relegation even a terrible one like the Villa are about to endure wouldn't prompt me to even consider it.
 

Trust me, I don't think all fans who want Pulis to leave are not 'fans'. I'm talking about people like some on this very thread, just read their posts, the abuse he gives the manager at games, the way he twists any situation to have a go at the manager, taking joy from the fact that fans are booing, posters just plain making stuff up, actively wanting us to get relegated, etc.

That's not the sign of a supporter in my book.  They're the fans I'm on about. 

I have sympathy for your position though, at least you think it's sensible to see the season through.  By all means want Pulis out, hate the football, hand your season ticket in, I just think some fans are crossing the line into a vendetta and just want the manager out at all costs. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 04, 2016, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: liverbaggie on February 04, 2016, 10:25:48 AM
Just think if saido poco gamboa macmanaman vic chester are sold in the summer say 25 m for saido and 10 m for the rest,with say 15 m from extra TV money we could easily have 50 m for tp et al to spend on better quality players, 5 players x 10 m each.I'm sure this is what Mr.peace is hoping to do.what about it? What's wrong with that?

1. We are basically in the same boat as everyone else with regard to the TV money the £50m won't go as far as it would have done a few seasons ago.

2. Pulis focuses mainly on the British market which means the money won't be go as far as it might if the net was cast further a field

3. Given our status we are not likely to hire players that are huge upgrades on the players we will be letting go particularly in the case of Saido but the upside is that if Pulis hires him he might play them but don't count on it.

4. We have quicker more gifted players chasing long punts out of defence well bless my soul that will be so good I can hardly wait. The basic tactics and approach don't change regardless of the cast.

5. We get to sell Saido once when the money is spent it is gone and do I have much faith in Pulis to spend it, not really

I could go on but that is what is wrong with that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 04, 2016, 11:00:57 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 04, 2016, 10:49:00 AM
1. We are basically in the same boat as everyone else with regard to the TV money the £50m won't go as far as it would have done a few seasons ago.

2. Pulis focuses mainly on the British market which means the money won't be go as far as it might if the net was cast further a field

3. Given our status we are not likely to hire players that are huge upgrades on the players we will be letting go particularly in the case of Saido but the upside is that if Pulis hires him he might play them but don't count on it.

4. We have quicker more gifted players chasing long punts out of defence well bless my soul that will be so good I can hardly wait. The basic tactics and approach don't change regardless of the cast.

5. We get to sell Saido once when the money is spent it is gone and do I have much faith in Pulis to spend it, not really

I could go on but that is what is wrong with that.

1 - agree

2 - Not sure why that is a problem, how many players has this club signed from overseas that have been failures ? From the top of my head - Berthe, Volmer, Kim, Valero (mainly due to Mowbray), Gamboa (No Pulis doesn't want him but given the lack of interest doesn't seem anyone else does) the list could go on. Villa dn newcastle went too far and signed too many last Summer, look where they are now. Villa rooted to the foot, Newcastle sending a £12m signing back to his old club on loan and a £14m striker sitting with 4 goals. Thats from a manager with experience of managing overseas.

3 - To get an upgrade on Saido would cost millions, the others we let go should be upgrades as many in our squad are getting older.  Pointless cheap shot.

4 - Leicester are top of the league having quicker players chasing long punts, would that make you happier ?

5 - All managers are hit and miss on signings not just Pulis, Jose and Fergie both signed a few duds and Rodgers spent how much at Liverpool ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 04, 2016, 11:02:08 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 07:40:48 AM
When he was at stoke we all detested how he played, it is not football. We are playing football like back in the 90s. The game has moved on.

He is a dinosaur!

We havent done much business in jan because weve never really needed to, this time we needed to and JP didnt trust him.

You're right we didn't like the way they played perhaps that's because they always beat us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 04, 2016, 10:31:30 AM
From your post

maybe i could have worded it better, i was on about the crowd boo'ing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 11:07:48 AM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 04, 2016, 11:02:08 AM
You're right we didn't like the way they played perhaps that's because they always beat us

they always beat us long before tony pulis was the manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 04, 2016, 11:09:02 AM
I wish people would stop throwing this "Pulis wastes money" argument at him. Every manager in football has made poor signings! Look at Mark Hughes who's doing a decent job at Stoke, how much did he waste on rubbish at QPR and Man City, Brendan Rodgers wasted money at Liverpool, Sir Alex wasted money, Wenger has wasted money. A poor argument to throw at him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 04, 2016, 11:16:53 AM
Quote from: Legend on February 04, 2016, 11:09:02 AM
I wish people would stop throwing this "Pulis wastes money" argument at him. Every manager in football has made poor signings! Look at Mark Hughes who's doing a decent job at Stoke, how much did he waste on rubbish at QPR and Man City, Brendan Rodgers wasted money at Liverpool, Sir Alex wasted money, Wenger has wasted money. A poor argument to throw at him.

The quality of the argument doesn't matter, it's what I find frustrating and why I'm so vocal on here lately.  A discussion about the players he's signed and their quality etc is a good one to have but it's like the same stick is used to excessively beat him with. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on February 04, 2016, 11:17:28 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 11:07:48 AM
they always beat us long before tony pulis was the manager.

Not always. 1997 -98 season we beat them in the FA cup and drew twice in the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 04, 2016, 10:43:15 AM
Trust me, I don't think all fans who want Pulis to leave are not 'fans'. I'm talking about people like some on this very thread, just read their posts, the abuse he gives the manager at games, the way he twists any situation to have a go at the manager, taking joy from the fact that fans are booing, posters just plain making stuff up, actively wanting us to get relegated, etc.

That's not the sign of a supporter in my book.  They're the fans I'm on about. 

I have sympathy for your position though, at least you think it's sensible to see the season through.  By all means want Pulis out, hate the football, hand your season ticket in, I just think some fans are crossing the line into a vendetta and just want the manager out at all costs.

Fans making their feelings known is the only way pulis will go. Yes i want him gone. I have never said i want us to get relegated, so dont twist anything that i say. The only thing i have said is that it would be more enjoyable to look forward to all the derby day games in the championship.

All i have done is voice my opinion, you obvioulsy dont agree which is fine by me, i can accept other people point of view, but obviously you cant but saying that people booing or making feelings known are not supporters. what makes you a better supporter than me? you dont know me, all you know of me is what i type on here. people that do know me on here know that i go home and away many times in a season, and have done for over 20 years, i have close links to the club, im very passionate in what i believe and i put that passion in to supporting the club, through the good and the bad, I sing my heart out at games, I get behind the team, but i also voice my opinion how and when ever i feel nessacery, which is my devine right to do whether you agree or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 11:19:32 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on February 04, 2016, 11:17:28 AM
Not always. 1997 -98 season we beat them in the FA cup and drew twice in the league.

was there for all 3 kev
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 04, 2016, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 09:38:06 AM
Poor financial position????? I stopped reading after that. We are a wealthy club with no debt.

There are some pretty good financial posters on this board - i'm not one but you need to understand wealth.

We are a club that has assets but little free cash - we are asset rich cash poor

We have no debt and this will allow us to borrow money at perhaps a relatively low interest rate - this means you have to pay interest this takes money out of your income and reduces our ability to pay salaries for example.


To be wealthy we would need to have milllions of spare cash to spend on whatever we like without taking the risk of reducing our operating income below the level to cover our operating expenses.

Any surplus would be a profit  - careful management of those profits over a few years may build you a war chest to invest in better players.

We are not wealthy but well managed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 04, 2016, 11:25:02 AM
To all you so called baggies fans ive supported the baggies since the sixties through thick and thin and I support the BAGGIES not the manager I don't care if the manager is Tony Pulis or Jose Mourinio .I cannot take your opinion away from you but stop and think before you say I'm not renewing my season ticket or going to the shrine again.Look at the bigger picture we are a premiership side and need to remain a premiership side I'm not a great Pulis fan but he is doing what needs to be done, the footballs not great but to me the BAGGIES are and no matter what I will be behind them ALLWAYS.SO LETS CUT OUT ALL NEGATIVITY AND SUPPORT THE BAGGIES.
PS JUST REMEMBER FOR ALL THE MAN UTD AND CHELSEAS THERES A BOLTON AND LEEDS
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 04, 2016, 11:32:06 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 04, 2016, 11:18:42 AM
Fans making their feelings known is the only way pulis will go. Yes i want him gone. I have never said i want us to get relegated, so dont twist anything that i say. The only thing i have said is that it would be more enjoyable to look forward to all the derby day games in the championship.

All i have done is voice my opinion, you obvioulsy dont agree which is fine by me, i can accept other people point of view, but obviously you cant but saying that people booing or making feelings known are not supporters. what makes you a better supporter than me? you dont know me, all you know of me is what i type on here. people that do know me on here know that i go home and away many times in a season, and have done for over 20 years, i have close links to the club, im very passionate in what i believe and i put that passion in to supporting the club, through the good and the bad, I sing my heart out at games, I get behind the team, but i also voice my opinion how and when ever i feel nessacery, which is my devine right to do whether you agree or not.

We need supporters like you.  We just need you supporting the club, not booing and "letting your feelings known" and doing nothing but preach negativity. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 04, 2016, 11:35:57 AM
I've seen somebody write Pulis is the 9th longest serving manager in West Brom's top flight history. For a founding member of the Football League that's ridiculous and should tell you what the problem is straight away.

If nobody is given time to build the football club will consistently take 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 04, 2016, 12:07:23 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 04, 2016, 11:35:57 AM
I've seen somebody write Pulis is the 9th longest serving manager in West Brom's top flight history. For a founding member of the Football League that's ridiculous and should tell you what the problem is straight away.

If nobody is given time to build the football club will consistently take 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

Fred Everies probably managed us for 25% of our total time spent top flight so not really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2016, 12:09:26 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 04, 2016, 11:35:57 AM
I've seen somebody write Pulis is the 9th longest serving manager in West Brom's top flight history. For a founding member of the Football League that's ridiculous and should tell you what the problem is straight away.

If nobody is given time to build the football club will consistently take 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

Flawed argument !,
If the 8 longer serving managers did 10-15 years each, we would be considered mega-stable.

Sorry thats just me being a pedant, you are right that in the last 40 years we have had little long term stability.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 04, 2016, 12:11:12 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 04, 2016, 11:35:57 AM
I've seen somebody write Pulis is the 9th longest serving manager in West Brom's top flight history. For a founding member of the Football League that's ridiculous and should tell you what the problem is straight away.

If nobody is given time to build the football club will consistently take 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

Where would be now if we had given Bryan Robson or Alan Irvine time?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 04, 2016, 12:14:16 PM
Quote from: BB74 on February 04, 2016, 12:11:12 PM
Where would be now if we had given Bryan Robson or Alan Irvine time?

We'd be having a lot more West Midlands derbies than we get today!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 04, 2016, 12:22:26 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 04, 2016, 12:14:16 PM
We'd be having a lot more West Midlands derbies than we get today!

Dunno, I think we might have sunk past that with either of those in charge.  ;D

Local breweries would be doing a boom trade though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 04, 2016, 12:26:43 PM
The money argument is a myth. All managers waste money, the question is does he buy enough good players that are better than the bad ones.
If you look at all his transfers and their "costs" some are good and some are bad. Chester is the major flop I would suggest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 04, 2016, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 04, 2016, 11:35:57 AM
I've seen somebody write Pulis is the 9th longest serving manager in West Brom's top flight history. For a founding member of the Football League that's ridiculous and should tell you what the problem is straight away.

If nobody is given time to build the football club will consistently take 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

I've got a lot of time for your input Stokelad, but on this occasion, I don't share your opinion.

In the modern era, & especially since the start of the EPL, very few clubs' managers have been able to build dynasties. Alex Ferguson & Arsene Wenger are the only 2 that spring to mind. TP had an extended stay at Stoke, as did David Moyes at Everton. Other than that I don't think that WBA are out of kilter.
I'm not saying that giving a manager an opportunity to build the club wouldn't be desireable, but under the present ownership, can't see it happening.

I was listening to 5 live last night, discussing the Ramires move to China, the Chinese President has a massive interest in football, & has targeted bidding for a future World Cup. The country is awash with money ready to plough into football, if we could get a piece of that action, with the academy geared up to develop Chinese players, then I'd see us getting a more stable management team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 04, 2016, 01:25:55 PM
Stokelad has a good point about stability but as baggiejohn says - that's the times we're living in for e.g.  the title winning manager could be replaced in the summer (Pelligrini) or another possible title winning manager could be poached (Ranieri).

We're a club that if we do well, our manager is likely to get poached (Roy).

If Pulis leaves a strong defensive legacy behind for someone else to build on whilst keeping us up then he's done a good job.

These days, good teams are built by successive good managerial appointments where each man along the way adds something to the final picture

Mowbray, Di Matteo, Roy Hodgson all contributed to making our best team in years (maybe you could argue Megson and Robson contributed too)

We're beginning the cycle again - strong foundations are needed before adding the other elements and I for one think Pulis can do that job this season. Beyond that, maybe we need other ingredients which I'm not sure Pulis has the vision or ability to add (similar to Nigel Pearson only being able to take a talented Leicester team so far)?

Let's wait and see what happens at the end of the season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on February 04, 2016, 01:59:14 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on February 04, 2016, 10:38:30 AM
I don't trust him with a penny of WBA cash and want to see him replaced with a more progressive manager in the summer.
That is harsh - i am sure if Dan Ashworth was still with us it would be different
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 04, 2016, 03:38:08 PM
Quote from: Do I not like Wolves on February 04, 2016, 01:59:14 PM
That is harsh - i am sure if Dan Ashworth was still with us it would be different

IF Dan Ashworth was with us Tony Pulis wouldn't be because TP wants total control of signings and that doesn't fit with Ashworth's role. Besides that, if Ashworth never left I'd hope we wouldn't have got to the point where we needed to sign Pulis to stabilise the ship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 04, 2016, 04:10:31 PM
Re signings, as has been pointed out all managers are hit and miss, the case in point is the mess Klopp is dealing with at Liverpool, Rodger spent £300 million and most Liverpool fans only acknowledge Coutinho and Sturridge as good buys.

Personally, I'm happy to have Chester if it means we've got Evans. Similarly I'm happy with Lambert because we've got Rondon. Hit and miss.

I want Pulis to see out this contract and then extend further. Our two most technically gifted footballers were signed by Mowbray. We have Premier League quality in Foster, Evans, Yacob and Berahino. The rest is a bit of a mess, in my opinion we are actually over achieving this season.

Here's to building towards something.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 04, 2016, 04:13:25 PM
More like "rubbish and miss".  AM I DOING THIS RIGHT? 

(only joking)

damn, it filtered out my swear word that rhymes with hit.  Cunning
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2016, 04:22:22 PM
Does the current situation where no-one is coming in to buy Gamboa / Pocognoli possibly due to the wages they are on in the premier league vindicate Tony Pulis's apparent aversion to foreign players?

Is there a risk buying foreigners that you are stuck with them for the length of their contract?

The oft quoted "i always wanted to play in the premier league because its the best league in the world" , bull-rubbish for "because it pays the best", springs to mind
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on February 04, 2016, 04:23:55 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 04, 2016, 04:10:31 PM

Here's to building towards something.

Do you actually think we'd get more technically gifted players under Pulis? Which signings under his reign would you describe as technically gifted?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 04, 2016, 04:27:47 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on February 04, 2016, 04:23:55 PM
Do you actually think we'd get more technically gifted players under Pulis? Which signings under his reign would you describe as technically gifted?
Fletcher and Evans the only two so far , Evans the most comfortable on the ball CB we have seen in a long while.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on February 04, 2016, 04:34:18 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 04, 2016, 04:27:47 PM
Fletcher and Evans the only two so far , Evans the most comfortable on the ball CB we have seen in a long while.

Agree with Evans not so sure about Fletcher. I'd say he was technically average.

Evans I think many people would agree was a no brainer of a signing without wishing to unfairly diminish the credit Pulis should get for signing him.

I have no problem with him signing his tall, brutish players as long as they have something to back it up with. Someone like Steven N'Zonzi who he signed at Stoke would be a decent example.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 04, 2016, 04:39:56 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on February 04, 2016, 04:34:18 PM
Agree with Evans not so sure about Fletcher. I'd say he was technically average.

Evans I think many people would agree was a no brainer of a signing without wishing to unfairly diminish the credit Pulis should get for signing him.

I have no problem with him signing his tall, brutish players as long as they have something to back it up with. Someone like Steven N'Zonzi who he signed at Stoke would be a decent example.
Sandro too is /was decent on the ball but lets see how he goes.
While Pulis has made some mistakes on transfers i will add players seem to want to sign for him , i don't think previous managers seem to have the pull he does. ( Accept money talks of course) .
I'm led to believe Sandro took a small pay cut to join us too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies on February 04, 2016, 04:43:35 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 04, 2016, 04:10:31 PM
Re signings, as has been pointed out all managers are hit and miss, the case in point is the mess Klopp is dealing with at Liverpool, Rodger spent £300 million and most Liverpool fans only acknowledge Coutinho and Sturridge as good buys.

Personally, I'm happy to have Chester if it means we've got Evans. Similarly I'm happy with Lambert because we've got Rondon. Hit and miss.

I want Pulis to see out this contract and then extend further. Our two most technically gifted footballers were signed by Mowbray. We have Premier League quality in Foster, Evans, Yacob and Berahino. The rest is a bit of a mess, in my opinion we are actually over achieving this season.

Here's to building towards something.

What Liverpool currently have aren't actually Rodgers' Signings. They had a transfer committee including scouts and others. Either way, it hasn't worked.

I'm not sure what to make of Pulis transfer dealings. Did he authorise the signings in the summer? If he did, there are some head scratchers, as Gnabry, Lindegaard and Chester have not been given a chance and Lambert has proven to be past his best. That leaves Rondon (only five goals and so far only just hitting par) and McLean (who looks limited) to have made a first team impact.

I really don't know if Pulis is in charge of transfers or not, be we have continued to fail on that front this season.

(PS, I do understand the thinking with Lindegaard and understand why we signed him, and I also feel Rondon may well come good in the next year).

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on February 04, 2016, 04:46:19 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 04, 2016, 04:39:56 PM
Sandro too is /was decent on the ball but lets see how he goes.
While Pulis has made some mistakes on transfers i will add players seem to want to sign for him , i don't think previous managers seem to have the pull he does. ( Accept money talks of course) .
I'm led to believe Sandro took a small pay cut to join us too.

Sandro could well be an interesting one and I hope he succeeds.

I think you're probably right about the pull he has; I hope he uses it to better effect in the future if he has the chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 04, 2016, 04:55:55 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on February 04, 2016, 04:46:19 PM
Sandro could well be an interesting one and I hope he succeeds.

I think you're probably right about the pull he has; I hope he uses it to better effect in the future if he has the chance.
Oh i agree ,theres been some bad choices and he must take the blame for them .
Chester i knew was wrong from day 1.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 04, 2016, 05:06:33 PM
AI cast his net abroad, we ended up with; Ideye, Blanco, Gamboa, Davidson, Pocognoli and Samaras.

Roy Hodgson is one of the most experienced and knowledgeable men in European full stop. Guess how many players he signed from abroad? Zero.

To criticise a manager for his lack of spending abroad is mental. Especially given how bad we've proven ourselves to be in the past at it.

Signed that bloke because he scored a goal from a corner v England, signed that Japanese guy to sell shirts, then there was THAT keeper who didn't concede a goal in a major tournament the one year... the rubbish we've signed far outweighs the good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 04, 2016, 05:14:39 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 03, 2016, 11:29:43 PM
I think before making insults it would be better if you read and could comprehend what was written.

See above "good progression in the next transfer window may..............."

We do have a solid defence the record for goals against shows that and we are difficult to beat, not pretty but effective

I don't wear a welders mask nor rose tinted specs, however if your expectations are to play the "Baggies Way" whatever that may be, I suggest that we have only played exciting winning football in the early 1950s, under Giles in the second division followed by Atkinson in the first division. All in all about 10 seasons out of the last 60 helps put our record into perspective and that was all before the Sky money and the premier division monies. We have no "golden tit" (lot of good that did the Dingles) or Lerner at the Vile. Befor that money we were at least equal to Man City and Chelsea. Not to be insulting you sound like a West Ham fan yearning for that that never was - a figment of your imagination.  ;D
I did read it all and there was nothing to understand, its all hypothetical wish fullness. all ifs and buts. you yourself have again highlighted that we have a solid defence, what happened to the other two strong points you suggested we are maybe doing i.e. creative passing and attacking with pace or is that a figment of your imagination. i have no expectations of seeing us play the baggies way, but I do expect to see something that resembles a football match.
don't forget you have to change the lenses according to the radiant intensity.
up the hammers 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 04, 2016, 05:53:38 PM
Another issue re transfers, is whether any gifted or adventurous footballers would want to join us, playing the way we do. I gather Townsend didn't fancy us, which may or may not be bad news, but I cannot see many playmakers or goal scorers wanting to play in the Pulis system.   His signings to date seem to reflect that.
I wouldn't mind playing this rubbish style if it won a trophy or two, but as has been said, who remembers seasons when we finish 16th?
Mind you we are top of the fair play league the last time I looked, and the club is up in front of the disciplinary panel again. No publicity is bad publicity so they say. We are also in danger of not even being shown at all on Match Of the Day, our appearances are getting later and shorter.
     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 04, 2016, 06:10:38 PM
I think we have played a mixture of poor , average and good this season.
Its wrong to not say we played well against Arsenal , Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, Stoke , Newcastle , Norwich, Villa away and even in parts Swansea the other night imo .My frustration is the big gap between the above games and the poor ones we all know about , in other words when we are good its quite impressive (but still struggle to score) but when we are bad we are awful and everything we look to be getting better at goes fully out the window.
We look like a side going through a big change , which of course is what we are......will we be happy when the journey is complete ? I don't know.
Mixed feeling on Pulis but if he keeps us up and his Summer targets are sensible id stick with him , if we get to this point with the same issues then probably time to have a rethink.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 04, 2016, 06:56:11 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 04, 2016, 05:14:39 PM
I did read it all and there was nothing to understand, its all hypothetical wish fullness. all ifs and buts. you yourself have again highlighted that we have a solid defence, what happened to the other two strong points you suggested we are maybe doing i.e. creative passing and attacking with pace or is that a figment of your imagination. i have no expectations of seeing us play the baggies way, but I do expect to see something that resembles a football match.
don't forget you have to change the lenses according to the radiant intensity.
up the hammers

Yes you are right it is full of ifs and buts, it is a hope that  we get better. I didn't rant and rave or belittle you - you said you had not read past the first line - now you say you read it all -

Which is it? If you understood why did you make such comments? Angry, irrational, misguided perhaps, certainly bombastic and ill informed :(

If you read it. - all the hoped for improvement that we would all like to see is dependant upon a successful next window - or did you miss that?

And just what is the baggies way and just when did that exist - probably not in your life time.

Or do you just want to make a noise, have an argument rather than a discussion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 04, 2016, 07:22:11 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 04, 2016, 11:00:57 AM
1 - agree

2 - Not sure why that is a problem, how many players has this club signed from overseas that have been failures ? From the top of my head - Berthe, Volmer, Kim, Valero (mainly due to Mowbray), Gamboa (No Pulis doesn't want him but given the lack of interest doesn't seem anyone else does) the list could go on. Villa dn newcastle went too far and signed too many last Summer, look where they are now. Villa rooted to the foot, Newcastle sending a £12m signing back to his old club on loan and a £14m striker sitting with 4 goals. Thats from a manager with experience of managing overseas.

3 - To get an upgrade on Saido would cost millions, the others we let go should be upgrades as many in our squad are getting older.  Pointless cheap shot.

4 - Leicester are top of the league having quicker players chasing long punts, would that make you happier ?

5 - All managers are hit and miss on signings not just Pulis, Jose and Fergie both signed a few duds and Rodgers spent how much at Liverpool ?

2. Yes we have had our fair share of flops as have every other Premier League club but the real value of shopping in the overseas market is that pound for pound there is still better value available. It means we get better players and we are competing against teams where we are offering the players better terms. Whereas any half decent prospect in the British game is likely to attract the attention of any number of premier league clubs and we ain't richer than most of them and in any event we will end unable to get the necessary quality. I am not saying go exclusively continental but to completely ignore that market it is a huge mistake.

3.  Going back to the original posters list of sales. Pocognoli and Gamboa wouldn't be difficult to upgrade just by dint of being replaced by players Pulis might use which Championship Club or relegated club have will have much better? Chester full international good season in the premier league cost £8m and if replaced would no doubt be replaced by someone similar.

 Vic, here is a question how good is the third choice Centre Forward ever going to be at a mid-table Premier League club? We think Vic is rubbish largely because we have unfortunate to witness his lumbering efforts we thought we were getting an upgrade when we signed Lambert but that was because nobody had seen him play in the 12 months he was at Liverpool.

McManaman cost £5m infuriatingly inconsistent winger with Premier league experience will no doubt be replaced by the same although we might go for another honest workhorse like McClean except we might spend a hell of a lot more money on them.

Saido difficult to upgrade although he isn't playing (that's a fact not a cheap shot) but in theory a chunk of the £50m would go on making the squad worse.

4. Behave the difference between us Leicester is not just a question of bolting on a couple of players onto the front this side. Leicester have a counter attacking philosophy that doesn't rely on possession but that is where the similarity ends they commit players forward in a way we don't and are not absolutely terrified of losing their defensive  shape. They have a strange type of player I believe they are called full backs (that is a cheap shot)

5. Yes all managers make truly horrific errors in the transfer market. Rogers at Liverpool was hugely profligate to a degree that it might even hamstring his successor because Liverpool do not have a limitless well of money and each iteration of sell good player buy less good player lose money on that player, weakens them. We have less resources and are even less able to recover from expensive mistakes.

Pulis focuses on the most over priced market in Europe doesn't have a reputation for developing young players with potential, has a very high turnover rate and a perpetual 6 man bomb squad. Yes Rogers is worse but Pulis is expensive and not overly efficient.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 04, 2016, 07:48:23 PM
2 - I don't disagree that ignoring the overseas market is a mistake but as with anything in life there is no guarantee. Newcastle and Villa to name two have used the overseas market extensively and in many cases not paid much and they are both in the bottom three with Newcastle now having to go back to the UK market to try and save their season with a coach who has managed in the leagues he has signed players from and still made seemingly mistakes. Swings and roundabouts.

3 - Its easy to say those players could be upgraded on but then you say a Championship club player, imagine the meltdown on here if that happened, it happened when we signed McAuley and Billy Jones, massive over-reaction on WestBrom.com yet again and then the fees would be higher so more complaints there. The £8m for Chester is the going rate, in fact maybe less than the going rate given some prices being realised recently. We also sold Curtis Davies for what £10m was it a few years ago making the Chester price reasonable, the move itself seems to be a dud and I don't think anyone denys that "now".

McMananaman was being linked with Everton before we signed him for a higher price, his price is one reason why Peace will not buy in January, at that time we needed something.

Vic has always been the same, one minute he's a powerhouse, unstoppable and the next more interested in the fact he's feeling the cold, should never have been signed. On paper Lambert was a better signing despite spending 12 months getting splinters so yes should have been an upgrade but hasn't work out, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

4 - I also didn't say the only difference between us and Leicester is not just a question of bolting on a couple of players onto the front this side.. I stated they have quicker players chasing long punts, its a fact. I'll ignore the cheap shot comment, pointless totally.

We've made mistakes both expensive and cheap at this club for a long while which has led to where we are and why Pulis is here.

Pulis focuses on the market he knows and that has served him well rightly or wrongly. The youngsters thing is hard to discuss as we apart from Saido don't seem to have introduced any for how long now ?? with the odd exception on the bench from time to time so agan not just a Pulis thing at this club.

Is he expensive ? if he achieves the objective he has been given at this club then no, if we go down then yes.

Is he not overly efficient ? same answer, stay up yes, go down no.

Whether we like it or not his job depends on us staying in this league, its why he was hired

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on February 04, 2016, 08:07:58 PM
He will in all likelihood keep us in the Premier League, but is that all people want. Just glad to be here, no ambition but just survive. We have proven against the bigger teams we can play good football, but against the teams around us we seem to play 'Frightened Football'. But that is TP, Playing percentage football with minimum risk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 04, 2016, 08:23:00 PM
Quote from: gerry m on February 04, 2016, 08:07:58 PM
He will in all likelihood keep us in the Premier League, but is that all people want. Just glad to be here, no ambition but just survive. We have proven against the bigger teams we can play good football, but against the teams around us we seem to play 'Frightened Football'. But that is TP, Playing percentage football with minimum risk.
I understand your point but there's two good reasons for TP:

1) Premier League money. Starting from next season, the wealth gap will be even bigger against those in the championship, meaning if we were to get relegated at some point, it should be easier to bankroll a quick promotion due to the wealth in comparison to those in the championship

2) Selling the club. I don't think we'll ever do too much with Peace as the chairman as he simply doesn't have enough money. I think he's done very well for the club and I can't really fault him. However, if we did drop to the championship I feel we'd be harder to sell to a wealthy owner, so staying up makes us more attractive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on February 04, 2016, 08:39:10 PM
Sorry all this chat of shall we or shan't we keep Pulis is redundant. IMO gain either Moyes or Rogers signature and when the mercenary Pulis reaches 40 points shake his hand give him to Villa. Pulis is never a WBA boss and he knows it.

Thank him for help but come on? Megson was our win with hard-work and our savior,,, end of.  Mr M was sacked as 'we' wanted change our style and links with the academy.  Pulis is a decade of a step back but using prem money, which is probably why people are teasy!     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 04, 2016, 08:41:59 PM
He was put on gardening leave when he gave the club nine months notice that he was leaving.
JP took that as his resignation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 04, 2016, 08:48:51 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 04, 2016, 06:56:11 PM
Yes you are right it is full of ifs and buts, it is a hope that  we get better. I didn't rant and rave or belittle you - you said you had not read past the first line - now you say you read it all -

Which is it? If you understood why did you make such comments? Angry, irrational, misguided perhaps, certainly bombastic and ill informed :(

If you read it. - all the hoped for improvement that we would all like to see is dependant upon a successful next window - or did you miss that?

And just what is the baggies way and just when did that exist - probably not in your life time.

Or do you just want to make a noise, have an argument rather than a discussion
nowhere in my posts did I say I didn't read past the first line.
you were the one who mentioned the baggies way not me.
I think you're mixing my posts up with others.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 04, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: baggiepoint on February 04, 2016, 08:39:10 PM
Sorry all this chat of shall we or shan't we keep Pulis is redundant. IMO gain either Moyes or Rogers signature and when the mercenary Pulis reaches 40 points shake his hand give him to Villa. Pulis is never a WBA boss and he knows it.

Thank him for help but come on? Megson was our win with hard-work and our savior,,, end of.  Mr M was sacked as 'we' wanted change our style and links with the academy.  Pulis is a decade of a step back but using prem money, which is probably why people are teasy!   

Who is a WBA boss?
How is Pulis a backward step for a decade? Your probably right when he inherited the club we were flying and we have just regressed.
Moyes and Rodgers totally took there last 2 teams forward. I know when Utd and Liverpool fans saw them leave they couldn't believe the strides forward they had made...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 04, 2016, 09:01:30 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 04, 2016, 07:48:23 PM
Whether we like it or not his job depends on us staying in this league, its why he was hired

I had a bit of an epiphany this morning when I realised, apart from his actual anti-football philosophy, this is possibly the reason why I don't like Pulis. This is the first coach who I can think of who has mainly been employed on the basis that his job is not to take us forward but to stop us going backwards. Others might have been incompetent and failed to do so but they were generally employed with the right intent.
It is the realisation that we have plateaued.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on February 04, 2016, 09:04:37 PM
To every West Brom poster -

Please please stop using the word "PHILOSOPHY" when it comes to football. I noted that this phrase first came into effect when Tony Mobray came into charge.

Philosophy is suited to Ancient Greece. Used in a football context just gets right in my tits.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 04, 2016, 09:05:25 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 04, 2016, 08:48:51 PM
nowhere in my posts did I say I didn't read past the first line.
you were the one who mentioned the baggies way not me.
I think you're mixing my posts up with others.

You also mentioned the Baggies way

I claim a blonde moment - sorry :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 04, 2016, 09:18:53 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 04, 2016, 09:05:25 PM
You also mentioned the Baggies way

I claim a blonde moment - sorry :'(
no problem, I was having a mental infirmity moment due to old age. 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lindenbaggie on February 04, 2016, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 04, 2016, 09:01:30 PM
I had a bit of an epiphany this morning when I realised, apart from his actual anti-football philosophy, this is possibly the reason why I don't like Pulis. This is the first coach who I can think of who has mainly been employed on the basis that his job is not to take us forward but to stop us going backwards. Others might have been incompetent and failed to do so but they were generally employed with the right intent.
It is the realisation that we have plateaued.


Mowbray had the right intent and what happened to him? He still can't sort out a back four in League One, despite trying to learn how to in the Premiership, Scottish Premiership and Championship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 04, 2016, 09:31:20 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 04, 2016, 09:01:30 PM
I had a bit of an epiphany this morning when I realised, apart from his actual anti-football philosophy, this is possibly the reason why I don't like Pulis. This is the first coach who I can think of who has mainly been employed on the basis that his job is not to take us forward but to stop us going backwards. Others might have been incompetent and failed to do so but they were generally employed with the right intent.
It is the realisation that we have plateaued.

So you do not like Pulis partly because he was hired for doing what the Chairman wants him to do, the thing others were hired to do but failed (or gave the Chairman the worry that they were heading that way) ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 04, 2016, 09:36:35 PM
is it a reflection how poor this league is or is pulis doing a better job than most when we are 8th in the current form table with 2 wins in our last 12 matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 04, 2016, 09:38:14 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 04, 2016, 09:36:35 PM
is it a reflection how poor this league is or is pulis doing a better job than most when we are 8th in the current form table with 2 wins in our last 12 matches.

It's a reflection of how good a Premier League manager he is.

Let's not sugar coat it this squad is awful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wappingbaggie on February 04, 2016, 09:48:04 PM
I agree - when you look at our team sheet it doesnt look that special - two average goalkeepers, no specialist full backs, one classy centre back + two ageing ones...a pretty ordinary midfield with no great flair - no on form pacy wingers..and an attack of 1. overweight ex youth team player who 2 yrs ago was on loan at peterborough (and struggling) 2. Injury prone everton reject with poor scoring ratio  3. obviously past it livpool reject 4. unproven russian import with no prem experience

For us to be so close to Everton in the table is a MIRACLE - and I think you have to credit pulis for it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 04, 2016, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 04, 2016, 09:38:14 PM
It's a reflection of how good a Premier League manager he is.

Let's not sugar coat it this squad is awful.
on paper with everyone available it doesn't look a bad squad. one thing I would like to see is our centre halves giving the ball to midfielders who's job should be to create the chances for our forwards, but they just end up punting 30yrd balls to no one.
we did this at Chelsea with great effect and reverted to hoofing against the villa and looked awful. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 05, 2016, 12:22:29 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 04, 2016, 09:54:25 PM
on paper with everyone available it doesn't look a bad squad. one thing I would like to see is our centre halves giving the ball to midfielders who's job should be to create the chances for our forwards, but they just end up punting 30yrd balls to no one.
we did this at Chelsea with great effect and reverted to hoofing against the villa and looked awful.
But not many teams at this level are that bad these days are they?

Looking at Swansea, they have Williams, Ki, Sigurdsson and Ayew - all better than what we have in those positions (unless you count Berahino).

I think Pulis's signings have been very hit and miss, but he's also inherited two years of bad transfer windows. The only player from the last summer signings was Gardner who is a sub which says a lot.
In short, I think it's fair to say he's inherited a fairly bad squad in this league, and has added to it ok overall. His signings certainly aren't perfect and he's clearly made mistakes; BUT they are much better than Garlick's/Day's etc who clearly harmed the side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 05, 2016, 02:25:16 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on February 05, 2016, 12:22:29 AM
But not many teams at this level are that bad these days are they?

Looking at Swansea, they have Williams, Ki, Sigurdsson and Ayew - all better than what we have in those positions (unless you count Berahino).

I think Pulis's signings have been very hit and miss, but he's also inherited two years of bad transfer windows. The only player from the last summer signings was Gardner who is a sub which says a lot.
In short, I think it's fair to say he's inherited a fairly bad squad in this league, and has added to it ok overall. His signings certainly aren't perfect and he's clearly made mistakes; BUT they are much better than Garlick's/Day's etc who clearly harmed the side.
3 of those i'll give you, but Williams to Evans i'm not so sure.

Ki also isn't a massively high standard. Him to,say, Morrison is reasonably fair if not slightly weighted to Ki.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 05, 2016, 03:55:56 AM
Some fans say Pulis put on the breaks or he tells them to punt it long when you can hear the bloke screaming for Sess or Dawson to take on their man or push up further.Do you all ever think it has something to do with the players at least some of the time.I hope we win Saturday to quiet down some of abuse the bloke gets you would think he was Villers coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 05, 2016, 07:05:59 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 04, 2016, 09:31:20 PM
So you do not like Pulis partly because he was hired for doing what the Chairman wants him to do, the thing others were hired to do but failed (or gave the Chairman the worry that they were heading that way) ?
That's what I said.  ;) Nobody else has been specifically hired because of his record of "never being relegated". For that part I don't suggest Pulis is at fault  (I have often given credit, despite what you believe, to Pulis for being good at what he does), the Premier League is responsible for us moving in this direction.

However, it is also only a very small part of the reason though. I am not allowed to use "philosophy",  so , his natural playing style and killing/stifling of the beautiful game despite having the most (comparative) resources a West Brom coach/manager has had in my lifetime is a much more significant part. The lack of enjoyment and sense of duty that I have attending matches, possibly irrationally, is further reason.

If Pulis managed another team, like Stoke for example, I wouldn't like his style there either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on February 05, 2016, 07:33:27 AM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on February 05, 2016, 03:55:56 AM
Some fans say Pulis put on the breaks or he tells them to punt it long when you can hear the bloke screaming for Sess or Dawson to take on their man or push up further.Do you all ever think it has something to do with the players at least some of the time.I hope we win Saturday to quiet down some of abuse the bloke gets you would think he was Villers coach.

Ive been saying this for ages, you can hear TP screaming for his wingers to 'take him on'.
We all know Jonas aint the best at 'playing football' and he has always been prone to hoofing it forward.

Aint like we have the players at our disposal to change it round to often. (Cue all the we should have signed them then posts).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 05, 2016, 09:13:21 AM

Definition of Philosophy

a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour

Sorry if it get's on anyone's tits but like it or not football coaches tend to have philosophies even if they don't use the word. It is that base philosophy that Pulis's critic's dislike with varying degrees of intensity, the trade off we are assured is results. When the results aren't great there is nothing much to cling to with Pulisball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 05, 2016, 09:22:40 AM
interesting article, with a lot of truth in it.
http://www.football365.com/news/managerial-pragmatism-dead-in-the-water, 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 05, 2016, 09:25:15 AM
Quote from: wappingbaggie on February 04, 2016, 09:48:04 PM
I agree - when you look at our team sheet it doesnt look that special - two average goalkeepers, no specialist full backs, one classy centre back + two ageing ones...a pretty ordinary midfield with no great flair - no on form pacy wingers..and an attack of 1. overweight ex youth team player who 2 yrs ago was on loan at peterborough (and struggling) 2. Injury prone everton reject with poor scoring ratio  3. obviously past it livpool reject 4. unproven russian import with no prem experience

For us to be so close to Everton in the table is a MIRACLE - and I think you have to credit pulis for it.

and CHELSEA!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 05, 2016, 09:36:18 AM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on February 05, 2016, 09:22:40 AM
interesting article, with a lot of truth in it.
http://www.football365.com/news/managerial-pragmatism-dead-in-the-water,

Read that myself, IMO flowery load of *****.

It's all about risk, pragmatism reduces the risk, Leicester & Watford tried a more risky model which this time, looks to have paid off, it doesn't mean to say it's a model that will always work.
How does the writer know that Leicester's wages bill is £20million lower than ours? Accounts are produced after the season has ended, both Watford & Leicester have far more funds available than us.
With the relatively limited funds we have available, we are almost always going to take the low risk option.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 05, 2016, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on February 05, 2016, 09:22:40 AM
interesting article, with a lot of truth in it.
http://www.football365.com/news/managerial-pragmatism-dead-in-the-water,

My only issue is using Leicester as an example.  They've done brilliantly this season, there's no doubt about it, but this is the team that were heading straight down and looked dreadful.  Which one's the true Leicester?  Or do we think that next year they'll also be competing for the top of the Premiership.  If you're using Leicester as a benchmark then the managers of Liverpool, Spurs, Utd, Everton, Stoke should get the same criticism.

Watford have signed 20 players this year, spending £62m, recouping £7m, so a total spend of £55m.  For that they're 4pts ahead. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 05, 2016, 09:41:27 AM
"Craig Dawson, Gareth McAuley, Jonas Olsson, Jonny Evans, Claudio Yacob, Darren Fletcher and Craig Gardner. Some managers may consider that enough central defensive-minded players for one squad. Pulis used them all in one home match on Tuesday."

That was pretty funny though.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 05, 2016, 09:51:54 AM
Craig Dawson, Gareth McAuley, Jonas Olsson, Jonny Evans, Claudio Yacob, Darren Fletcher and Craig Gardner. Some managers may consider that enough central defensive-minded players for one squad. Pulis used them all in one home match on Tuesday.

Gardner was a substitution for Evans. Those that are named are a back 4 and 2 defensive midfielders (although Fletcher is more box to box)...don't a lot of clubs line up like that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 05, 2016, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: slate on February 04, 2016, 09:04:37 PM
To every West Brom poster -

Please please stop using the word "PHILOSOPHY" when it comes to football. I noted that this phrase first came into effect when Tony Mobray came into charge.

Philosophy is suited to Ancient Greece. Used in a football context just gets right in my tits.

Is stratagem acceptable?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 05, 2016, 10:25:28 AM
Quote from: Albionic on February 05, 2016, 09:55:59 AM
Is stratagem acceptable?

what about ideology?  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 05, 2016, 10:31:01 AM
Interesting to see the reports in the press about the booing.  And people think it's Pulisball that's affecting our club's reputation.  No, it'll be the booing and general abuse aimed at a manager who is doing alright.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on February 05, 2016, 10:40:50 AM
Arsenal got booed off Tuesday after drawing with Southampton, United are booed off most weeks as are Newcastle, Everton and most other teams....it doesn't really make much difference. Some of the poncy players and managers should be thankful they are in the sterile world of the premier league and not in other countries like South America where they gat bricked off. Not that I condone that before anybody try's to be hero.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 05, 2016, 10:42:44 AM
I agree with you boinging.
I can't understand how many posters on this site are so pessimistic the majority of the time.if you don't like the actual football don't go and watch,stop the seemingly constant criticism don't you have anything better to do? Managers/ coaches come and go but WBAfc  supporters are forever.I think that tp is setting the foundations to enable us to be a strong prem team next season and I am exited about it.if you were a villa,blues or wolves fan then you would have something to moan about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 05, 2016, 11:43:46 AM
Quote from: liverbaggie on February 05, 2016, 10:42:44 AM
I agree with you boinging.
I can't understand how many posters on this site are so pessimistic the majority of the time.if you don't like the actual football don't go and watch,stop the seemingly constant criticism don't you have anything better to do? Managers/ coaches come and go but WBAfc  supporters are forever.I think that tp is setting the foundations to enable us to be a strong prem team next season and I am exited about it.if you were a villa,blues or wolves fan then you would have something to moan about.

Sorry to be picky, but I bet most blues fans are pretty happy with their lot at the moment, they have upward momentum, clearly that can change at any time but currently they are on a great run.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 05, 2016, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: Albionic on February 05, 2016, 11:43:46 AM
Sorry to be picky, but I bet most blues fans are pretty happy with their lot at the moment, they have upward momentum, clearly that can change at any time but currently they are on a great run.


It can all change very quickly. I'm sure a season or so ago most Blues fans weren't happy because they were about to be relegated, but now they're on an upward trajectory. Nothing is guaranteed in football and you need to keep apace of change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lindenbaggie on February 05, 2016, 11:53:17 AM
Quote from: liverbaggie on February 05, 2016, 10:42:44 AM
I agree with you boinging.
I can't understand how many posters on this site are so pessimistic the majority of the time.if you don't like the actual football don't go and watch,stop the seemingly constant criticism don't you have anything better to do? Managers/ coaches come and go but WBAfc  supporters are forever.I think that tp is setting the foundations to enable us to be a strong prem team next season and I am exited about it.if you were a villa,blues or wolves fan then you would have something to moan about.

Voice of reason. If Pulis and the players hold their nerve, we'll be the only West Midlands club in the Premiership next season-who would have thought that possible ten years ago when all the others around us seemed to have much more money than us? We have to be realistic and admit that this season has become the most unpredictable season ever, and has affected bigger clubs than us such as Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton. Nothing can be taken for granted, as can be seen by Palace's sudden nose dive in results. COYB.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 05, 2016, 12:08:12 PM
Hey albionic,you think that blues fans are happy,in the chumps league?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 05, 2016, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: MarkW on February 05, 2016, 11:46:59 AM
It can all change very quickly. I'm sure a season or so ago most Blues fans weren't happy because they were about to be relegated, but now they're on an upward trajectory. Nothing is guaranteed in football and you need to keep apace of change.

Got to agree with that, if we were to win next 5 on the bounce TP will be the second coming !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 05, 2016, 12:33:42 PM
Oh god no! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 05, 2016, 12:35:22 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on February 05, 2016, 12:33:42 PM
Oh god no!

Is that sarcasm dripping i hear?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 05, 2016, 12:54:31 PM
No, just funny.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 05, 2016, 01:37:06 PM
what games left realistically can you see us winning? Norwich and watford for me, thats it for wins
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 05, 2016, 01:46:36 PM
newc  A 1pt
Ever   A  0
Pal     H  3
Leic    A  1
MUFC  H 1
backside    A 0
Norw  H  3
Sland  A  3
Man C A  0
Watf  H   3
Spud  A   0
WHU  H  1
Bmth  A   1
Lpool  H   3
_________
20pts + 29 =49 !

I'm surprised how confident I am.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 05, 2016, 01:47:39 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 05, 2016, 01:37:06 PM
what games left realistically can you see us winning? Norwich and watford for me, thats it for wins

Football doesn't work like that though. Last year we had a terrible run in and ended up winning at Palace, Man Utd beating Chelsea at home and drawing with Liverpool and Newcastle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 05, 2016, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: Albionic on February 05, 2016, 01:46:36 PM
newc  A 1pt
Ever   A  0
Pal     H  3
Leic    A  1
MUFC  H 1
backside    A 0
Norw  H  3
Sland  A  3
Man C A  0
Watf  H   3
Spud  A   0
WHU  H  1
Bmth  A   1
Lpool  H   3
_________
20pts + 29 =49 !

I'm surprised how confident I am.


I dont think we will get anywhere near palace
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on February 05, 2016, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on February 05, 2016, 12:08:12 PM
Hey albionic,you think that blues fans are happy,in the chumps league?

From the Blues fans I speak to, yes they are happy. They are on a decent run, could easily make the play offs and possibly automatic promotion.  As we are finding, there are plenty of unhappy fans in the Premier League just as there are plenty of happy fans further down the leagues.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 05, 2016, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: stoxman on February 05, 2016, 01:56:48 PM
From the Blues fans I speak to, yes they are happy. They are on a decent run, could easily make the play offs and possibly automatic promotion.  As we are finding, there are plenty of unhappy fans in the Premier League just as there are plenty of happy fans further down the leagues.

Ask them if they'd rather be a midtable established Premier League club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 05, 2016, 02:34:39 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 05, 2016, 02:14:59 PM
Ask them if they'd rather be a midtable established Premier League club.

or if they'd rather be a inconsistent mid table Premier League Club playing, in the main, some of the most industrial defensive football ever seen at the club, and are slowly becoming the butt of jokes from the media.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 05, 2016, 03:44:00 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 05, 2016, 02:34:39 PM
or if they'd rather be a inconsistent mid table Premier League Club playing, in the main, some of the most industrial defensive football ever seen at the club, and are slowly becoming the butt of jokes from the media.

The two I've asked said yes, they'd swap places in a heartbeat.  Also the Villa fan here said the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 05, 2016, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 05, 2016, 03:44:00 PM
The two I've asked said yes, they'd swap places in a heartbeat. Also the Villa fan here said the same.

Well tell him he can't.

Neeeeer ner n ner neeeeeer.

SOTV.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 05, 2016, 06:33:26 PM
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/raj-bains

Sums up my feelings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 05, 2016, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 05, 2016, 06:33:26 PM
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/raj-bains

Sums up my feelings.

Its a wanabee journo who has no affiliation to this club. I wonder how often he has actually watched us live
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 05, 2016, 06:54:07 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 05, 2016, 06:40:06 PM
Its a wanabee journo who has no affiliation to this club. I wonder how often he has actually watched us live

I guess so but a lot of it I can't argue with. Other than saying Lambert isn't a bad player that is!  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 05, 2016, 06:58:01 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 05, 2016, 06:54:07 PM
I guess so but a lot of it I can't argue with. Other than saying Lambert isn't a bad player that is!  :D

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/02/05/blog-an-apology-to-albion-boss-tony-pulis/

For me this one is more apt and from someone who does actually watch us.

I do agree with a few things in the one you posted but I don't have much time personally for some wanabee journos on some websites who claim to be experts on everything and every club, welcome to the internet   :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 05, 2016, 07:04:51 PM
A fantastic blog that sums up perfectly my feelings on the current situation, Pulis and the daydream rose tinted views on previous managers reigns.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 05, 2016, 07:07:33 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 05, 2016, 06:58:01 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/02/05/blog-an-apology-to-albion-boss-tony-pulis/

For me this one is more apt and from someone who does actually watch us.

I do agree with a few things in the one you posted but I don't have much time personally for some wanabee journos on some websites who claim to be experts on everything and every club, welcome to the internet   :D

I was about to post that one too to add a bit of balance to the debate. That way you can't accuse me of being completely anti Pulis!  :D

I was delighted when he was appointed and said at the time to many people that I'd take results over style if it meant we did well. He was the right man at that time as the club needed a big shake up. However after watching the last 12 months I admit I don't like it at all. He is fulfilling the requirement of JP which I guess is all that matters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 05, 2016, 07:14:43 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 05, 2016, 06:58:01 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/02/05/blog-an-apology-to-albion-boss-tony-pulis/

For me this one is more apt and from someone who does actually watch us.

I do agree with a few things in the one you posted but I don't have much time personally for some wanabee journos on some websites who claim to be experts on everything and every club, welcome to the internet   :D

I agree with him apart from Tony Pulis going, I don't think he is going anywhere, JP had to rip up the old structure to appoint TP, if he goes, what is left?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on February 05, 2016, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 05, 2016, 06:58:01 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/02/05/blog-an-apology-to-albion-boss-tony-pulis/

For me this one is more apt and from someone who does actually watch us.

I do agree with a few things in the one you posted but I don't have much time personally for some wanabee journos on some websites who claim to be experts on everything and every club, welcome to the internet   :D

Really good comments. I also remember us under Mowbray passing the ball around midfield and barely doing anything in the final third. I especially remember passing Portsmouth off the park in the semi final, and hardly having a shot
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 05, 2016, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: baggie53 on February 05, 2016, 07:19:23 PM
Really good comments. I also remember us under Mowbray passing the ball around midfield and barely doing anything in the final third. I especially remember passing Portsmouth off the park in the semi final, and hardly having a shot

Didnt we score the most goals weve ever scored under Mowbray?????
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 05, 2016, 07:59:40 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 05, 2016, 07:37:38 PM
Didnt we score the most goals weve ever scored under Mowbray?????
Was that in the Top flight out of interest ? , enjoyed TM but he never could solve that leaking defence in either the PL or Championship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 05, 2016, 08:14:06 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 05, 2016, 07:59:40 PM
Was that in the Top flight out of interest ? , enjoyed TM but he never could solve that leaking defence in either the PL or Championship.

Mixture of both i believe.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 05, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 05, 2016, 08:14:06 PM
Mixture of both i believe.

Are you sure about that? The season Mowbray got sacked we scored 36 goals all season. Up there with the Megoon seasons.

RDM scored more in both prem and championship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 05, 2016, 08:42:13 PM
The 100 goals was in the Championship not the Premier League.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 05, 2016, 08:47:20 PM
Tony Pulis v ex England Manager on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 05, 2016, 10:17:59 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on February 05, 2016, 10:40:50 AM
Arsenal got booed off Tuesday after drawing with Southampton, United are booed off most weeks as are Newcastle, Everton and most other teams....it doesn't really make much difference. Some of the poncy players and managers should be thankful they are in the sterile world of the premier league and not in other countries like South America where they gat bricked off. Not that I condone that before anybody try's to be hero.
Booing off is different from singing you dont know what youre doing which is ridiculous cuase Pulis is one manager who knows what he is doing ;his records speaks for itself.Better they say we dont like what you are doing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: easyrider on February 05, 2016, 10:27:54 PM
on same points as chelsea premiership champs in february and in a good position to be safe and sound and so called fans boo and moan lol and if you really support west bromwich albion fc for more than five minutes you should be ashamed of yourselves,if you are true wba fans you are in it for the long haul and lets see what the future holds.we have an ageing squad which tony pulis has to do his best with,not his fault as a lot seems to think.lets see this season out and see what the summer brings
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 05, 2016, 10:30:43 PM
Good article same sort of thinking on the situation myself

However to me although he is supposedly apologising he then goes onto say either JP should sack him or him and his team should walk in the summer..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 05, 2016, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: easyrider on February 05, 2016, 10:27:54 PM
on same points as chelsea premiership champs in february and in a good position to be safe and sound and so called fans boo and moan lol and if you really support west bromwich albion fc for more than five minutes you should be ashamed of yourselves,if you are true wba fans you are in it for the long haul and lets see what the future holds.we have an ageing squad which tony pulis has to do his best with,not his fault as a lot seems to think.lets see this season out and see what the summer brings

Posts like this why I wont be bothering on here to much any more. Stayed away from the Pulis threads for a while and come back this week. Theres perfectly valid points to both sides of the 'argument' but theres a real current around from a minority that if anyone has anything negative to say they are not real fans along with accusations of abuse and similar lines of response. Shame as I say the vast majority of the debate is healthy and well thought out but its more and more common over the past week to see perfectly well thought of and written posts met with a response along the lines of you're not a real fan, or as you can see above you should be ashamed of yourself. Basically boils down to 'if you don't agree with my particular opinion on this and share my way of thinking of how you should behave your not a real fan of Albion'. Pathetic

(This forum is still 100 x better than most others around)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: easyrider on February 05, 2016, 10:59:47 PM
are you a wba fan or just a pulis hater.keep the faith and support the club whatever
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 05, 2016, 11:01:38 PM
Quote from: easyrider on February 05, 2016, 10:59:47 PM
are you a wba fan or just a pulis hater.keep the faith and support the club whatever

You can be both, I agree with Astle1968 about some posts being out of order.

As long as people get behind the team on the day then they are free to be as negative or positive as they like on here without anyone putting them down for it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: easyrider on February 05, 2016, 11:11:21 PM
we can only support whats put in front of us,being negative to players and manager is supporting is it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 05, 2016, 11:12:44 PM
Quote from: easyrider on February 05, 2016, 11:11:21 PM
we can only support whats put in front of us,being negative to players and manager is supporting is it

I don't agree with any booing at games but if people want to vent on here they are free to do so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: easyrider on February 05, 2016, 11:28:34 PM
i agree everyone can vent there anger or support including me,but what im saying is booing isnt being supportive its a negative protest.yes it isnt the best football we have seen at the albion but it also isnt the best squad weve ever had but being negative doesnt help anyone.lets face it we could be lower than shark pooh with 13pts,then we would have something to boo about.on tuesday our players showed fighting spirit to level the game right at the end and some stil booed.its not pretty to watch  but we need to stay in the league and fingers crossed we get in younger.fitter and more skilled players to encourage us with more attractive football for the future
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 06, 2016, 07:31:26 AM
Someone needs to tell Dave Kemp it's not the 1950s or 1960s when fans and players mixed down the pub. Players and managers are detached multi millionaires to fans. Managers are highly media trained so say only what they plan to mostly and clubs essentially treat fans as money makers . However , Albion are definitely one of the best clubs at respecting fans in my view so this is a wider issue.

Booing is one of the outcomes of this new World. Clubs can't have it all - charging fans a fortune for seats , shirts etc and then expect a docile acceptance when fans want relative entertainment for that outlay. In my view booing across all grounds will grow, that's not to say it helps teams on the pitch because I've seen enough of Albion when they were poor to realise a tense, negative atmosphere in the ground doesn't = entertainment and points.

You pay your money , it's s free country.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 08:14:42 AM
Would you boo if you go to the cinema and the film is a bit pooh?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 06, 2016, 08:28:40 AM
Quote from: easyrider on February 05, 2016, 11:28:34 PM
i agree everyone can vent there anger or support including me,but what im saying is booing isnt being supportive its a negative protest.yes it isnt the best football we have seen at the albion but it also isnt the best squad weve ever had but being negative doesnt help anyone.lets face it we could be lower than shark pooh with 13pts,then we would have something to boo about.on tuesday our players showed fighting spirit to level the game right at the end and some stil booed.its not pretty to watch  but we need to stay in the league and fingers crossed we get in younger.fitter and more skilled players to encourage us with more attractive football for the future

I've been going to the Albion for as many years then I care to remember & have only ever booed ONCE, that was a couple of weeks ago at the end of the debacle against the vile & it lasted for all of 3 seconds, it was borne out of frustration with both the players & the manager in equal measures, point is, if I chose to sit there & clap at the end (which I invariably do) that is my choice, if I choose to boo, that is also my choice, what I do object to is people telling me I'm not a 'real' fan because I booed & also that I'm a 'happy clapper' if I just sit there.   

I'm an extremely positive person but anyone wishing to post negatively on here or boo at games won't offend me & they have just as much right to do so, as you have not too, trying to impose your will on someone very rarely works.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 06, 2016, 08:50:25 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 05, 2016, 07:14:43 PM
I agree with him apart from Tony Pulis going, I don't think he is going anywhere, JP had to rip up the old structure to appoint TP, if he goes, what is left?

I don't think that JP has "ripped up the old structure". The only thing that's different today is the Director of Football position is vacant, but the structure is still in place. The head coach/manager has the final word on comings and goings of players, but it's always been that way. (Except for the period between Mel going &Irvine starting).
JP might modify the structure to accommodate a more experienced head coach, but It's so ingrained in his thinking, I just can't see him destroying it completely, & as I recall, he's said as much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 06, 2016, 10:04:34 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 05, 2016, 10:42:32 PM
Posts like this why I wont be bothering on here to much any more. Stayed away from the Pulis threads for a while and come back this week. Theres perfectly valid points to both sides of the 'argument' but theres a real current around from a minority that if anyone has anything negative to say they are not real fans along with accusations of abuse and similar lines of response. Shame as I say the vast majority of the debate is healthy and well thought out but its more and more common over the past week to see perfectly well thought of and written posts met with a response along the lines of you're not a real fan, or as you can see above you should be ashamed of yourself. Basically boils down to 'if you don't agree with my particular opinion on this and share my way of thinking of how you should behave your not a real fan of Albion'. Pathetic

(This forum is still 100 x better than most others around)

Completely agree, it seems to be creeping in at games as well where anyone that dares to question Pulis is shot down and sneered at for having an opposing view and accused of not being a real fan.

I saw two blokes fighting in the toilets in the HALFORDS last week. Purely because someone expressed an opinion of Pulis and another lad got in his face and it all kicked off from there. Absolutely pathetic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on February 06, 2016, 10:16:19 AM
just hope pulis aint been in london all week trying to save that million pound bonus from palace and not taken his eye of the ball .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on February 06, 2016, 10:25:16 AM
I am going to probably kill this thread now.... And it has been done to death!

In my opinion if tony pulis was to play 4-5-1 with 2 actual wingers and an attacking midfield central player....
Or 4-4-2 with two actual wingers and 2 actual strikers....

There would be no discussion here! In football you should have Between 4 and 5 players going forward at all times, and between 5 and 6 defending!

We would naturally be better to watch and no-one would be complaining

That's the basics I'm afraid... And currently we are doing neither with the two formations we play
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 06, 2016, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 06, 2016, 08:50:25 AM
I don't think that JP has "ripped up the old structure". The only thing that's different today is the Director of Football position is vacant, but the structure is still in place. The head coach/manager has the final word on comings and goings of players, but it's always been that way. (Except for the period between Mel going &Irvine starting).
JP might modify the structure to accommodate a more experienced head coach, but It's so ingrained in his thinking, I just can't see him destroying it completely, & as I recall, he's said as much.

Surely the director of football is the old structure, the whole thing revolved around that position, managerial appointment, player acquisition, Pulis has control of most of the club now because the likes of Garlick and others were promoted beyond their level of competence, so JP put the club in the hands of the trusted Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 06, 2016, 10:45:31 AM
Quote from: keithowba86 on February 06, 2016, 10:25:16 AM
I am going to probably kill this thread now.... And it has been done to death!

In my opinion if tony pulis was to play 4-5-1 with 2 actual wingers and an attacking midfield central player....
Or 4-4-2 with two actual wingers and 2 actual strikers....

There would be no discussion here! In football you should have Between 4 and 5 players going forward at all times, and between 5 and 6 defending!

We would naturally be better to watch and no-one would be complaining

That's the basics I'm afraid... And currently we are doing neither with the two formations we play
It's still about attitude and intent though whatever formation you play. We played higher up the pitch and played well (in my opinion) against Spurs and Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 06, 2016, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 06, 2016, 10:43:22 AM
Surely the director of football is the old structure, the whole thing revolved around that position, managerial appointment, player acquisition, Pulis has control of most of the club now because the likes of Garlick and others were promoted beyond their level of competence, so JP put the club in the hands of the trusted Pulis.

BP I'm only going on this:

Quote
OFFICIAL STATEMENT: Burton and Day depart club
image: http://www.wba.co.uk/cms_images/hawthorns2-a151-238394_478x359.jpg


PUBLISHED
15:00 30th June 2015
Baggies continue backroom shake-up

West Bromwich Albion today announce the departures of two senior members of staff as the Club continues a backroom overhaul.

Terry Burton has left his post as Technical Director and Mervyn Day has departed from his position as Head of Recruitment.

As part of the on-going review of the Club's performance, notice has been given to terminate their contracts and they have been put on ‘garden leave’ with immediate effect.

Burton and Day are leaving after a year in post and Chairman Jeremy Peace said: "Both Terry and Mervyn depart with our best wishes for their future endeavours and gratitude for their efforts during another demanding season.

“But I am on record as saying the Club would be engaged in an on-going review at all levels and it was felt changes were required.

"We are looking ahead positively to a new beginning under Tony Pulis after two gruelling seasons. All our focus now is on preparing the squad for a stronger performance."

Albion will look to fill both positions in due course but Peace explained that there would be no hurry.

“Our plans for this summer are already in place,” he added. “In Tony, we have a very experienced and hands-on operator. In the fullness of time we will recruit suitable candidates for the posts.”

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/terry-burton-and-mervyn-day-depart-albion-2514379.aspx#MCoVsJd5zeQmzuD3.99

I'm not sure that Pulis has control of most of the club either, he has control of the first team, both players & playing style, but I'm not sure who the U21 & U18 Coaches report to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 06, 2016, 11:13:36 AM
The structure is interesting all that has really changed is there is no Director of Football. If in the post Pulis world Peace wanted to revert to the Director of Football model all he would need to do would appoint a Director of Football. The rest of the personnel e.g. Scouts etc.. are all still in place, whether they are Pulis appointees and would go with him  like the coaching staff is a different question all together.   

Like Baggiejohn I'm not sure where the development and academy staff ultimately report Garlick maybe?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 11:28:18 AM
Based on that article we still have no DoF and we also have no Head of Recruitment. Pulis has got the run of the club. He insisted on it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 06, 2016, 11:28:51 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 06, 2016, 11:02:58 AM
BP I'm only going on this:

I'm not sure that Pulis has control of most of the club either, he has control of the first team, both players & playing style, but I'm not sure who the U21 & U18 Coaches report to.

I'm not really disagreeing with you but, the talk of footballing department etc has gone, I expect TP to gradually take control of the areas that interest him, the academy is not particularly one of those areas, player recruitment is, I'm sure things will emerge over time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 06, 2016, 11:30:37 AM
Just seen a stat that since Pulis took over we have averaged 3.3 shots on target per game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 06, 2016, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 06, 2016, 11:13:36 AM
The structure is interesting all that has really changed is there is no Director of Football. If in the post Pulis world Peace wanted to revert to the Director of Football model all he would need to do would appoint a Director of Football. The rest of the personnel e.g. Scouts etc.. are all still in place, whether they are Pulis appointees and would go with him  like the coaching staff is a different question all together.   

Like Baggiejohn I'm not sure where the development and academy staff ultimately report Garlick maybe?


Actually, the club structure is quite an interesting topic on it's own.

I recall a poster recently talking about playing philosophy, I think the word identity has also been used, but what we're really talking about is playing style.

It seems to me that the senior member of the football coaching staff, be it, Director of Football, Manager or Head Coach, should determine the playing style of the football club, & take responsibility for all player development.
If TP is responsible for all footballing matters, then it's likely that he's here for the long haul, if he's not, then I could see us reverting to the DoF model, if the right personnel became available.
All of this is assuming that JP will still own the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 06, 2016, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 11:28:18 AM
Based on that article we still have no DoF and we also have no Head of Recruitment. Pulis has got the run of the club. He insisted on it.

Jacko, it was in response to BP saying that JP had "ripped up" the DoF model, I'm saying he hasn't, it's been modified to suit TP. It wouldn't be difficult to go back to it if we wanted to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 06, 2016, 11:56:42 AM
Stoke did a similar thing they appointed a DofF a year or so before Pulis left.

They had one prior to Pulis arriving aswell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 06, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 08:14:42 AM
Would you boo if you go to the cinema and the film is a bit rubbish?
you don't invest £400 upfront to go to the cinema, but if I did go to the cinema 3 or 4 times and the films was rubbish I would stop going. its far easier and cheaper and more comfortable for lots of fans to watch films or football at home.
maybe this is why cinemas are becoming a thing of the past and our attendances are low.
the two really are miles apart though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 06, 2016, 03:15:59 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 08:14:42 AM
Would you boo if you go to the cinema and the film is a bit rubbish?
no because the director or the actors arent there, people tend to just walk out.

It's a staple in the theatre and Opera, though. Anywhere where the entertainment is live, really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on February 06, 2016, 03:39:07 PM
Is there anyone who would actually prefer staying up doing this nowadays?

We're playing a team in the relegation zone, at rock bottom after a 3-0 defeat, with a defensive injury crisis. And we play 9 defensive minded players, with absolutely no intent to score a goal. Even when it was obvious that we've been waiting for Newcastle to score, nothing changed.

The football under Pulis just gets worse with the more time he gets. It's all well and good saying we need to stay up for the money but our starting 11 is worse than it was our first season back under RDM. What good is the money if its spent like 8m on Chester? 

I wouldn't say sacking him now is the best thing due to lack of options but come the end of the season regardless it surely has to be done. I can't see how playing like this Pulis can guarantee us survival. We look worse than every team in the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on February 06, 2016, 03:43:29 PM
Quote from: Dan on February 06, 2016, 03:39:07 PM
Is there anyone who would actually prefer staying up doing this nowadays?

We're playing a team in the relegation zone, at rock bottom after a 3-0 defeat, with a defensive injury crisis. And we play 9 defensive minded players, with absolutely no intent to score a goal. Even when it was obvious that we've been waiting for Newcastle to score, nothing changed.

The football under Pulis just gets worse with the more time he gets. It's all well and good saying we need to stay up for the money but our starting 11 is worse than it was our first season back under RDM. What good is the money if its spent like 8m on Chester? 

I wouldn't say sacking him now is the best thing due to lack of options but come the end of the season regardless it surely has to be done. I can't see how playing like this Pulis can guarantee us survival. We look worse than every team in the league.

But he played good football at Palace!*







*actually a bit of a myth. Palace played some decent football, and a lot of mediocre football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on February 06, 2016, 03:47:43 PM
Quote from: wbako on February 06, 2016, 03:43:29 PM
But he played good football at Palace!*







*actually a bit of a myth. Palace played some decent football, and a lot of mediocre football.

They didn't even play good football, someone posted the stats of their season under him. They were 20th for all attacking stats, passes completed, crosses, shots, goals scored, dribbled completed.

They just did really well under him based on a very solid defence and a gameplan that was entirely based on keeping it tight and going 1-0 up. People thought they played well and they remembered the 3-3 against Liverpool (they didn't even play well that game) and 3-1 against us which were not reflective of their general performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on February 06, 2016, 03:56:17 PM
I've not followed any of it since seeing the team. But a team depleted at the back was given a huge let off with that team sheet and Pulis has once again been incredibly negative. I've back his appointment and not bashed him all the time but today he's named 4 cb's, 4 midfield play breakers, McClean who isn't the most naturally gifted and Anichebe who did deserve a start but hardly ever scores.

His negativity at this rate is going to send us down. I don't care what the cool heads like Jacko say, our form in 2016 is very alarming. We've won 2 games in a run of games that has included Villa, Swansea, Peterborough, Bristol City all at home.

We're nosediving here and if it wasn't "guaranteed survival" Pulis we'd be calling for a change.

The stats today are damning.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on February 06, 2016, 04:44:18 PM
I'd happily accept relegation to get rid
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 04:45:12 PM
Quote from: graka on February 06, 2016, 04:44:18 PM
I'd happily accept relegation to get rid

I want him sacked so as we have a better chance of survival.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 06, 2016, 04:47:11 PM
Quote from: graka on February 06, 2016, 04:44:18 PM
I'd happily accept relegation to get rid

Accept relegation ?  :o

What about if we never came back up ?  :o

No thank you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on February 06, 2016, 04:53:15 PM
Let's get in ahead of Man U for Mourinho! 😉
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on February 06, 2016, 04:54:26 PM
Looking forward to seeing the posts after that performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on February 06, 2016, 04:55:02 PM
Another game with zero shots on target which is the norm these days, it's a disgrace. Villa, Southampton, today, few others games with no attempts on goal and our only goal scorer on the bench or in midfield. Hopeully we will scrape survival and then in the summer Pulis can be shown the door. No point giving him the cheque book to waste on new players - don't blame Peace for keeping the money away from him in January. He cannot be trusted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on February 06, 2016, 04:55:42 PM
tony pulis either walk or JP will you sack him now !!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on February 06, 2016, 05:00:38 PM
Just can't see what his tactics are. Is it to stay up by virtue of as many low scoring draws as possible by making no attempt to play any football?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on February 06, 2016, 05:01:38 PM
At the end of the season (If you last that long) please do us a favour and go into the Chairman's office and tender your resignation and get the F**k out of our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on February 06, 2016, 05:02:10 PM
Could write a PHD on the why and where-for's but get TP out now. >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 06, 2016, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: Blowee on February 06, 2016, 05:00:38 PM
Just can't see what his tactics are. Is it to stay up by virtue of as many low scoring draws as possible by making no attempt to play any football?
yes. was last season, is this season, will be next season if he gets there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on February 06, 2016, 05:03:39 PM
And still some will support 'TP'. It was an embarrassing selection and approach against one of the worst teams in the league, like Villa were or in the cup Port Vale who we couldn't beat in 90 minutes or Bristol City or Peterborough, the list of zero intent grows and it's going to get us relegated. Imagine how the players feel when they see the line up, I've played most of us have and you can walk out sometimes after looking at teammates who shouldn't be playing and the managers instructions thinking 'we haven't a chance here'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 06, 2016, 05:04:05 PM
I've always backed Pulis on here but since about 2 months ago (after the Stoke win), things seemed to have changed for the worse.

I'm aware he's always played negative, defensive football which is fairly ugly; but it's always got results to an extent (that extent being 40 points).
Anyway, after Stoke it looks like his football has gone from defensive to scared, and there is a big difference. I don't mind setting up to defend against the bigger teams, but the last few games have been very poor and confusing.
Last season we'd have got at least one win from the last three games, but instead we haven't won once.
Looking at the Villa game for instance, as a one-off performance it's poor, but acceptable. However, those performances have become the norm almost, which is a far cry from some of the football Pulis played last year, with arguably a worse team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pauly414 on February 06, 2016, 05:04:37 PM
Can this bloke still be defended after this?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 05:07:07 PM
Quote from: pauly414 on February 06, 2016, 05:04:37 PM
Can this bloke still be defended after this?

I can't understand how people have defended his tactics thus far, the guy is a dinosaur and will not change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 05:07:28 PM
Quote from: pauly414 on February 06, 2016, 05:04:37 PM
Can this bloke still be defended after this?

Yep. There will be the usual 'you can't expect us to play like Barcelona', 'he's never been relegated', 'his Palace side were entertaining', you're not a true fan if you criticise Pulis' nonsense.

That's why this thread is so huuuuge. However, another couple of matches like that and surely even those who'd faith in him will start to lose truest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on February 06, 2016, 05:07:37 PM
I asked this on the in-game thread. Does anyone think Pulis might have fallen out with Peace for such negative tactics?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chris-wba on February 06, 2016, 05:07:56 PM
This man is the enemy of all that is good about football. Get him out!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on February 06, 2016, 05:09:18 PM
The most damning thing is we're no longer a good defensive side. Pulis if nothing else had his reputation as an organiser. Our defence has got progressively worse recently. The 3-0 against Southampton, any decent side would have put a few past us in the Villa match, two lower league sides scored 2 each against us, Newcastle should have scored 6 today.

If he's not got us competitive defensively, what use is he? There's zero attacking threat. It seems he realises the defence is getting worse and has tried to combat it by putting even more defensive minded players into the line up but its not working at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 05:09:39 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on February 06, 2016, 05:07:37 PM
I asked this on the in-game thread. Does anyone think Pulis might have fallen out with Peace for such negative tactics?

Doubt it. This is how Pulis has always played. Its how I expected us to play when he came to us.

Plus, just look at his legal issues with Palace, he was on a huge bonus there to avoid relegation nd he's bound to be on something similar with us.

I don't for a second think that he wants us to go down. I just think he is outdated now, and football has moved on.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on February 06, 2016, 05:07:37 PM
I asked this on the in-game thread. Does anyone think Pulis might have fallen out with Peace for such negative tactics?

No I don't believe Pulis is vindictive, just simply inept.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 06, 2016, 05:10:38 PM
Having read the pro-Pulis the posts during the week, that have bordered on sycophancy at times in my view, I'm wondering just how many poor performances, and games, with a total lack of attacking threat, it will take to turn the majority against our one-dimensional and reactive (as opposed to proactive) head coach?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on February 06, 2016, 05:11:23 PM
Can anybody tell me what his actual tactics are for when we have the ball. Seriously? What is our game plan for attacking?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 05:12:09 PM
I would like to think that Peace will get him in a room and ask him wtf is going on. But he's Teflon Tony. Nobody seems to criticise his tactics or hold him to account. Look at the media, when have local or national journalists ever given him a hard time over his handling of Berahino, Chester, Poco, his decisions to play people out of position, his possession and goal attempts record?

He seems to be protected by the fact that he is experienced and hasn't been relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on February 06, 2016, 05:12:36 PM
started to turn in the ground against swansea .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: andibaggy on February 06, 2016, 05:13:29 PM
Quote from: chris-wba on February 06, 2016, 05:07:56 PM
This man is the enemy of all that is good about football. Get him out!

This is the one liner I've been looking for.

I am in it for the long haul as a football fan however, I had a season ticket for 20 years but i moved away in 2013 it was hard to miss the football and i follow it religiously on match day, Tony Pulis has really really turned me off football and it's terrible to think that way that i'd rather not have the negativity in my life than follow the Albion closely on match day.

I watch the games live online and it's not the Albion i've grown up with, disjointed, no flare, no attacking intent no creativity, square direct passes, no through balls, no edge. Absolutely tragic.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on February 06, 2016, 05:13:42 PM
Quote from: lewisant on February 06, 2016, 05:11:23 PM
Can anybody tell me what his actual tactics are for when we have the ball. Seriously? What is our game plan for attacking?

Try and win a set-piece
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 06, 2016, 05:13:49 PM
Quote from: lewisant on February 06, 2016, 05:11:23 PM
What is our game plan for attacking?
Hope to nick something from a set piece or a lucky bounce.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 06, 2016, 05:14:54 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 06, 2016, 05:13:49 PM
Hope to nick something from a set piece or a lucky bounce.

I wonder this every week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 06, 2016, 05:15:08 PM
Pulis and attacking in the same sentence. .you are having a laugh !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 05:18:57 PM
Looks like the minority who were anti Pulis are fast becoming the majority.

What surprises me is its taken so long.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 06, 2016, 05:20:37 PM
we no longer defend well
we cannot pass
we have no attacking intent
I've seen the word stability a lot on here regarding pulis, anyone who thinks this is what he brings you're wrong, he is creating instability just look what he's done to the support.
even steady players at the club have turned into fodder under his coaching.
we have no chance until he goes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 06, 2016, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 05:07:07 PM
I can't understand how people have defended his tactics thus far, the guy is a dinosaur and will not change.

I can explain from my own point of view.

Up until the Stoke game, things were as planned with Pulis. His football wasn't attractive but it was pragmatic and occassionally, he would put in the odd, good performance such as Arsenal, Spurs, Stoke etc. Even his worse performances had some level of attack to them and from a results point-of-view it was going ok. I don't think that view is particularly inaccurate, we were on 27 points 5 games ago which was pretty good.

Since then, there has been a subtle change which has had disasterous consequences. Basically his previous football was just about winnable, it was always by one goal and he always managed to get a result from somewhere.
Now, he's gone even further, as seen by the complete lack of shots on target lately, it's gone to the next level which replaces tight wins with draws, and tight draws with losses. In short, he's setup for the draw when he used to go for the win in some cases.

To sum up, his football WAS better than it has been in the past month, but something has definitely clicked and pushed it to another style, which is even more negative than before, which is losing us crucial points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 06, 2016, 05:27:37 PM
I've defended Pulis and at times will still do if I feel the criticism is unjustified as I tend to sit in the middle on things. Don't go overboard when we win and I don't go meltdown mode when we lose.

Today I knew how we would set up and what sort of line up it would be so not surprised with it before the game.

Saying that I thought we were absolutely urine poor from start to finish, I thought it was on a par with the villa game, second half slightly better than the first but too many poor performances, too many missed passes, too many balls not controlled and we were lucky to come away with only a 1-0 defeat.

It did seem at one stage that things were starting to click, since then we've gone backwards, not sure why but it needs turning quickly. I do still think we will stay up and finish roughly where we are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on February 06, 2016, 05:27:48 PM
You can't justify the approach- it's repetitive and no sign of a plan B whatsoever.

A team can't simply keep sitting back without having some direction in an attacking sense. It's like a great defensive boxer- the great ones have always got an attacking option off the back of their great defensive work- they can force the opponent to commit before punsihing them. That's why Floyd Mayweather was one of the best ever- he is known as a defensive mastermind but people overlook the fact he was one of the most accurate punchers of the last twenty years- his defence opened up attacking opportunities.

What Pulis is doing right now is beyond me. There is not a segment of play where we look comfortable on the ball or where we look like piecing together a threatening phase of play.

If you go so defensive that you are in your shell, you have got relegation danger written all over you.

Make no mistake, TP will WALK long before this season is over. Any threat to his 'never been relegated' record and he will run a mile. He has no plan B and I suspect a bad result on Tuesday and that will be when he sticks his fingers up and blames lack of funds.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on February 06, 2016, 05:31:16 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 05:18:57 PM
Looks like the minority who were anti Pulis are fast becoming the majority.

What surprises me is its taken so long.

I was pro Pulis and it looked like we were turning the corner with better performances against Newcastle and Stoke at home and Chelsea away, but we have been awful against Southampton away, Villa at home, Peterborough at home, Swansea at home and Newcastle away, I just don't want to watch this team any more, we need a new coach and new attacking ideas now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 06, 2016, 05:32:21 PM
This is where his tactics and ideas have put us.
Even Asbin Villa are doing better.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/form-guide.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on February 06, 2016, 05:32:58 PM
I seem to recall that there is a £2m breakway clause for both parties, might be wrong however, so i can't see him getting sacked. Sadly can't see anyone taking him off our hands either.

Hopefully can come to some agreement in the summer that benefits both parties.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 06, 2016, 05:33:32 PM
Quote from: Pelada on February 06, 2016, 05:27:48 PM
You can't justify the approach- it's repetitive and no sign of a plan B whatsoever.

A team can't simply keep sitting back without having some direction in an attacking sense. It's like a great defensive boxer- the great ones have always got an attacking option off the back of their great defensive work- they can force the opponent to commit before punsihing them. That's why Floyd Mayweather was one of the best ever- he is known as a defensive mastermind but people overlook the fact he was one of the most accurate punchers of the last twenty years- his defence opened up attacking opportunities.

What Pulis is doing right now is beyond me. There is not a segment of play where we look comfortable on the ball or where we look like piecing together a threatening phase of play.

If you go so defensive that you are in your shell, you have got relegation danger written all over you.

Make no mistake, TP will WALK long before this season is over. Any threat to his 'never been relegated' record and he will run a mile. He has no plan B and I suspect a bad result on Tuesday and that will be when he sticks his fingers up and blames lack of funds.

I think that has been coming for a while, even if he was to finish strongly I can't see him and Peace continuing as it seems to be a tough balancing act between the pair.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 05:35:55 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 06, 2016, 05:32:21 PM
This is where his tactics and ideas have put us.
Even Asbin Villa are doing better.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/form-guide.html

Yep. Everyone but Norwich below us is in better form and the fixtures ahead aren't kind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on February 06, 2016, 05:37:57 PM
I hate calling for manager to go - however we simple can't go on like this. We have scored so few goals, we're not keeping clean sheets anymore, team selection is getting more and more bizarre. Even if we have to pay him off he should be gone by the end of the weekend. I think we have a strong enough squad to stay-up. We only need three wins. Pulis has run out of ideas and just isn't progressive enough to be a Premier League coach anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 06, 2016, 05:38:43 PM
Quote from: botters on February 06, 2016, 05:31:16 PM
I was pro Pulis and it looked like we were turning the corner with better performances against Newcastle and Stoke at home and Chelsea away, but we have been awful against Southampton away, Villa at home, Peterborough at home, Swansea at home and Newcastle away, I just don't want to watch this team any more, we need a new coach and new attacking ideas now.
Don't forget the 2 Bristol City games! People keep mentioning the Arsenal game as a good performance. We actually only had 1 shot on target in that game, despite scoring 2 goals! I call that a fortunate victory, rather than a good performance. I haven't got the time to go through them, but I'm sure that there have been other poor performances where we didn't lose, but some regard them as good solely because of the result. Ultimately, if you keep playing poorly, you will get found out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on February 06, 2016, 05:41:34 PM
Need to play our best team every week and for me that means saido upfront with sess behind, Rondon looks another poor signing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie79 on February 06, 2016, 05:46:03 PM
I would say on a scale of 0% a pessimist to 100 happy clapper I have always been around 70% but that team selection and performance has pushed me over the edge. It is making us look like a joke even though invariably we will stay up. He will go at the end of the season regardless of whether we stay up or not, I am sure of that.

Embarrassed!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 05:48:09 PM
Quote from: Baggie79 on February 06, 2016, 05:46:03 PM
I would say on a scale of 0% a pessimist to 100 happy clapper I have always been around 70% but that team selection and performance has pushed me over the edge. It is making us look like a joke even though invariably we will stay up. He will go at the end of the season regardless of whether we stay up or not, I am sure of that.

Embarrassed!

I honestly don't know mate. I don't expect us to get much from Everton, but Palace gives us a chance as they have fallen apart. However after that, the fixtures are really tough, and all but Norwich of the teams below us are on a better run of form.

I think we need to make sure we're not complacent here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on February 06, 2016, 05:49:58 PM
Not a hope in hell that we will get 3 wins/2 draws, 4 wins, 11 draws or whatever. We are sinking fast. A very brave chairman gets rid of this dinosaur now and appoints someone outside or from within to get us the required points. This is awful to watch and all because he's too stubborn to play the players who are more comfortable with the ball at their feet, players in their correct positions and trust the others to do what's required of them and go out to win football matches. The only satisfaction out of going down in May will be that this smug, arrogant, self centred baffoon will no longer be able to spout the crisp of never being relegated. Get a new man in now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 06, 2016, 05:53:06 PM
To be fair, it is time for a change. I've no idea who could come in, but I'm pretty sure that anyone could come and probably get some results just by being there and changing the style.

Under Pulis I can't see another win, it's got to be worth the gamble now.

Needs to be done soon though, a new manager wil need at least ten games to try and get a few results.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on February 06, 2016, 05:54:06 PM
You know things are bad when someone like myself is starting to be discouraged.

I live and breath West Bromwich Albion , season ticket since I was 6 years old I'm now 24 but I am really starting to worry about the way we have approached our last 5-6 games.

Pulis really needs to start trying to win football games, instead of believing we can defend for 90minutes and score a set piece.

I really hope he sees sense and tweaks his approach.

I think Prichard, sessegnon and Berahino are key if we are to move forward.

We really need that pace on the counter otherwise things really aren't going to get any better.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 06, 2016, 05:57:00 PM
Mark O'Conner did a piece for Albion radio saying our attacking/finishing wasn't good enough against Swansea and Peterborough...talk is cheap and they (the entire coaching staff) need to change something otherwise we will slip further down the table.

Huge game vs Palace at home. We need 3 wins from 12 (?) games. Draws will save us but you can't assume you'll keep a clean sheet in this league

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 06, 2016, 05:59:56 PM
To save JP's face (and money) I can see him going off on "gardening leave".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 06, 2016, 06:01:41 PM
first time I've ever felt the players haven't played for the coach today, they looked totally lost and disinterested. never felt the confidence that some have on here about being safe under pulis but I will never understand how a man of his experience shows so little intent to win a match. its all right waving players forward in the 80th minute but why not have a go from the start.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 06, 2016, 06:02:51 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 06, 2016, 05:59:56 PM
To save JP's face (and money) I can see him going off on "gardening leave".
He won't go during this season unless things get worse , can see him going in the Summer though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: andibaggy on February 06, 2016, 06:07:02 PM
Post match interview.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35512148 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35512148)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on February 06, 2016, 06:08:30 PM
Quote from: gazberg on February 06, 2016, 05:32:58 PM
I seem to recall that there is a £2m breakway clause for both parties, might be wrong however, so i can't see him getting sacked. Sadly can't see anyone taking him off our hands either.

Hopefully can come to some agreement in the summer that benefits both parties.
You speak of a 2 million breakaway clause , as if this presents the club and in particular Mr Peace with a major stumbling block in sacking Pulis. what is 2 million compared to what he is likely to lose backing a one trick pony.
 The stage has arrived where trying to win matches as opposed to not losing , is the order of the day and pulis finds this concept incomprehensible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on February 06, 2016, 06:08:44 PM
Just watched his after match interview. Hoping he means 'we' he is including himself. Never seems to come out and accept any of the blame.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 06, 2016, 06:15:00 PM
He has to go. Immediately.  He's lost the plot.  We are plummeting with no light at the end of the tunnel.  Not a prayer of 40 points without a change of approach.  Clubs around us smell blood, and rightly so.

A fresh voice in the dressing room and a more positive approach is vital.  Doing nothing is simply not an option.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on February 06, 2016, 06:17:07 PM
Quote from: gerry m on February 06, 2016, 06:08:44 PM
Just watched his after match interview. Hoping he means 'we' he is including himself. Never seems to come out and accept any of the blame.
blamed Newcastle for having a fantastic squad with great players, blamed our injuries, blamed the players for worst performance of his tenure and blamed our fixture list.bless this delusional fool.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 06, 2016, 06:18:50 PM
Quote from: paulosull on February 06, 2016, 06:17:07 PM
blamed Newcastle for having a fantastic squad with great players, blamed our injuries, blamed the players for worst performance of his tenure and blamed our fixture list.bless this delusional fool.

Our fixture list is our own doing for failing to beat lower league opposition. The man is deluded.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 06:19:43 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 06, 2016, 05:27:37 PM
I've defended Pulis and at times will still do if I feel the criticism is unjustified as I tend to sit in the middle on things. Don't go overboard when we win and I don't go meltdown mode when we lose.

Today I knew how we would set up and what sort of line up it would be so not surprised with it before the game.

Saying that I thought we were absolutely urine poor from start to finish, I thought it was on a par with the villa game, second half slightly better than the first but too many poor performances, too many missed passes, too many balls not controlled and we were lucky to come away with only a 1-0 defeat.

It did seem at one stage that things were starting to click, since then we've gone backwards, not sure why but it needs turning quickly. I do still think we will stay up and finish roughly where we are.

I couldn't agree more. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 06:24:50 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 06, 2016, 05:59:56 PM
To save JP's face (and money) I can see him going off on "gardening leave".
You know that doesn't save JP money don't you?  In fact it will cost him money as his wages get paid and we'd have to bring someone else in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on February 06, 2016, 06:24:58 PM
Quote from: baggiecarl on February 06, 2016, 06:08:30 PM
You speak of a 2 million breakaway clause , as if this presents the club and in particular Mr Peace with a major stumbling block in sacking Pulis. what is 2 million compared to what he is likely to lose backing a one trick pony.
 The stage has arrived where trying to win matches as opposed to not losing , is the order of the day and pulis finds this concept incomprehensible.


I agree it shouldn't be an issue but we know how JP is. Then there is the cost of TP's backroom staff don't forget.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 06, 2016, 06:27:15 PM
The injuries to key players is the only excuse he has for me at the moment , take any 4 key players out of a Premier team and they will struggle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on February 06, 2016, 06:31:33 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 06:24:50 PM
You know that doesn't save JP money don't you?  In fact it will cost him money as his wages get paid and we'd have to bring someone else in.

It could cost JP more money if we keep Pulis and get relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 06, 2016, 06:32:28 PM
In no way am I defending today's performance but Mr Peace's running of the club is part of the whole problem. Why did we hire Pulis? Because of us continually being In a situation where we are in a mess and need a "firefighter" to help us out.
Hire then fire people with no long term plan and no ambition other than survival.
The greatest myth was the idea that we were a well run club who planned for the future. When Ashworth and Hodgson left this myth was blown wide open...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 06:36:56 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 06, 2016, 06:27:15 PM
The injuries to key players is the only excuse he has for me at the moment , take any 4 key players out of a Premier team and they will struggle.

There's no real defending that performance for me.  Everyone involved at the club should be holding their hands up and saying "that's not acceptable".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 06, 2016, 06:42:13 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 06:36:56 PM
There's no real defending that performance for me.  Everyone involved at the club should be holding their hands up and saying "that's not acceptable".

This aint a one off........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 06, 2016, 06:53:46 PM
Pulis probably had the biggest month of his Albuon career. Get through in the cup and pick up 4-6 points and he lives on , hopefully only to the end of the season as it's becoming embarrassing how negatively he's setting us up now. When he got results you can just live with it , without results you get nothing with a Pulis team
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on February 06, 2016, 06:57:19 PM
Oi Tone heres a thought if Chester is a better bet than Poco at left back then why not bring him on against Bristol or start him against Peterboro as i said just a thought !! Also if taking Sandro off was tactical why not leave him on and remove Yacob or Fletch as he cant play Wednesday !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: blue on February 06, 2016, 06:57:39 PM
Today's  team selection against a team who had serious  defensive problems was a joke,
I seriously  believe that pulis is not bothered  about being sacked. Financially  he would get a hefty pay off and could still say nether been relegated.
How can you play so many defensive players from the outset against a struggling team with  major defensive problems.
This man is short term and looking after number 1 . The club will suffer big time in the future the longer pulis is employed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 06, 2016, 06:59:00 PM
My issue is the dropping of a player like Sess for Craig sodding Gardner thats what has annoyed me today.

This is from a man who has defended him all season yet finds himself livid after today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 06, 2016, 07:00:13 PM
Quote from: Dudleylad on February 06, 2016, 06:59:00 PM
My issue is the dropping of a player like Sess for Craig sodding Gardner thats what has annoyed me today.

This is from a man who has defended him all season yet finds himself livid after today.

Trouble being, we don't know the reason.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 06, 2016, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 06, 2016, 06:27:15 PM
The injuries to key players is the only excuse he has for me at the moment , take any 4 key players out of a Premier team and they will struggle.
trouble is Newcastle had a damn sight more than 4 key players missing today and yet they murdered us, will they have an easier game this season, probably not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on February 06, 2016, 07:04:54 PM
I would love to watch pulis play football on fifa. I wonder if he would ever shoot and attack to win?? Does he realise a football match is there to be won?

Cant stand the bloke, he is by far the worst thing to happen to albion since ive been a fan(93)

Whats the point in it all if ive lost intrest and dont enjoy it anymore?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 06, 2016, 07:06:08 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 06, 2016, 07:00:13 PM
Trouble being, we don't know the reason.

The problem is there was other options today instead of Gardner...one being the highly rated player weve just had from Spurs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 06, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
You know what . It s embarrassing. Beiing sat here on my own in Newcastle with my colours on being approached by Newcastle supporters saying we are the worst team they have seen at st James  this season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 06, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
You know what . It s embarrassing. Beiing sat here on my own in Newcastle with my colours on being approached by Newcastle supporters saying we are the worst team they have seen at st James  this season

My concern is we are the worst team in the premier league I have seen at the Hawthorns this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 06, 2016, 07:14:36 PM
We have seen it before - team sits comfortable in mid-table at the turn of the year, eases off the gas and, before you know it, gets dragged into the relegation fight.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35447662
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 06, 2016, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 06, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
You know what . It s embarrassing. Beiing sat here on my own in Newcastle with my colours on being approached by Newcastle supporters saying we are the worst team they have seen at st James  this season
and its hard to disagree.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 06, 2016, 07:21:50 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 06, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
You know what . It s embarrassing. Beiing sat here on my own in Newcastle with my colours on being approached by Newcastle supporters saying we are the worst team they have seen at st James  this season
Nothing new , we've all done it. I can well remember a hammering from Buckleys Grimsby full of ex Albion and getting laughed out of Cleethorpes. Part of being a football fan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on February 06, 2016, 07:27:11 PM
This is the problem when you buy players who may have a good work ethic, but little else. Yes we had players injured, but we should have bought more creativity into the squad. You can always predict there will be injuries through a season. Being unable to make the Newcastle keeper keep his hands warm in 90 minutes, surely says it all about our creativity and ability to get shots on target.  We have paid £12 million for a player who goes for games without getting a shot on target, and he's a striker, not a centre back. We get another holding player, Sandro, so its little surprising that he can offer little in an attacking sense. Yet look at Newcastle, who've managed to acquire 3 exciting creative players, Shelvey, Wijnaldum and Townshend. Even their right back Janmaat, created more danger today. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on February 06, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 06, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
You know what . It s embarrassing. Beiing sat here on my own in Newcastle with my colours on being approached by Newcastle supporters saying we are the worst team they have seen at st James  this season
That is because the Newcastle supporters can look on objectively and see how poor we are without fear of derision from the 'pro pulis'  section .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 06, 2016, 07:40:49 PM
We need a 5-year plan, not a 12-month season-by-season plan.  Whoever comes in next needs to be able to build a squad for the longer term instead of all these patch-up jobs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on February 06, 2016, 07:50:49 PM
 I agree but thats difficult when the owner is looking to sell. Whoever comes in could find themselves cut adrift by a change of ownership  and the we are back to square one
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 06, 2016, 07:58:56 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 06, 2016, 07:40:49 PM
We need a 5-year plan, not a 12-month season-by-season plan.  Whoever comes in next needs to be able to build a squad for the longer term instead of all these patch-up jobs.

If the club's up for sale, JP's not likely to mortgage a five year plan. While we're in limbo, the objectives are always going to be, stay in the prem & have a go at the domestic cups.

IMO the key to all this is JP, if JP thinks TP will keep us in the prem & retain the value of the FC, he'll stay, any other option, & he'll go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chris-wba on February 06, 2016, 08:06:42 PM
Can't believe that after all the years of the country slating the way Stoke played under Pulis, we are now that team. Embarrassing to be an Albion fan at the moment, and there's no longer any enjoyment in going to games. Thanks a lot Pulis. Do us a favour and bugger off.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 08:07:38 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 06, 2016, 07:40:49 PM
We need a 5-year plan, not a 12-month season-by-season plan.  Whoever comes in next needs to be able to build a squad for the longer term instead of all these patch-up jobs.

We're never going to have a 5 year plan if the fans want the manager out after 18 months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 08:08:48 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 08:07:38 PM
We're never going to have a 5 year plan if the fans want the manager out after 18 months.

Employ the right manager in the first place and the fans wouldn't want change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 06, 2016, 08:11:25 PM
Peace and the other people in the hierachy making top level footballing decisions are to blame, we should have looked for experience when Roy went not an experienced coach who was felt might make the transition luckily we had a 20 goal a season scorer on loan that year.  We are now left with a 'trouble shooter' instead of a person who can build with the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on February 06, 2016, 08:14:03 PM
Its getting harder to find the positives with Pulis.

Last season i thought he did a decent job, steadied the ship and showed odd glimpses of positivity.

I thought we were awful start of the season, dreadful performances but we got some points on board and i thought it was maybe because of the new faces, international break, players taking time to fit in with the Pulis way.

We had a couple of months in November and December where we did much better, we had the odd mare (Bournemouth Home, Swansea away) but also some good positive performances and with that came good results - no coincidence!

However since the new year something has gone badly wrong, yes we have had injuries but who hasnt and it cannot justify such out and out negativity over the last month. People can say its a poor squad, he is doing the best he can but it doesnt wash.

Every player in our squad is a well paid player, most have played internationally an d spent years playing top flight football. Now some are more limited than others, but I find it hard to believe that 90% of these players have taken it up on themselves to play such basic anti football, ie - boot it as far as you can and chase it. If one or two were doing it then fair enough, but its the whole squad, players who in the past have shown they can be positive (including in the Pulis era)

At the moment we are playing the most limited type of football you can play, its anti football, its like Wimbledon, when it works and you suck the life out of games and sneak it, when you dont you have to take the flak that comes with it.

The squad has been playing bad for ages, why not freshen it up. Soon as Peterboros first goal went in last week (at time i thought Poco was too blame) i said to my dad thats him done and sure enough it was.  So much so that today we played a right back who is actually a centre back and one of those limited footballers mentioned above, even further out of position at left back! We have one natural left back in the squad, yet 3 others get picked ahead of him!

Mcclean can cover defensively so why not give Poco and him a run together? Same on the right, if Sess is carrying a knock, why not play Dawson and Gamboa, Gamboa isnt great defensively but he can certainly help Dawson and adds some pace and attacking intent, surely he cant do any worse.

I have never understood the love in with Yacob, he does a job in certain games but is another of our limited players, i was hoping Sandro was being brought in to replace Yacob but sense its to infact add more defensive skills to a already defensive squad.

I still think we will stay up just about and grind it out and bore others into submission to get the points on board, but i expect us to field a team of fringe players at Peterboro (and lose) and also to wave the white flag at Everton.

We then have two weeks without a game if we go out the cup (which is why i think Pulis wont mind going out) and by the Palace game, Brunt, Evans and Morrison will be back or close to being back and he can go back to the tried and trusted 14 players to grind out the points til the end of the season.

Such a depressing way to look at things but i think all Pulis will care about is getting that big fat bonus for staying up and doesnt care how he does it or what he sacrifices to do it and sadly i think JP will probably think the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 06, 2016, 08:19:53 PM
Remember when Megson signed the likes of Greening and Kanu and the rollockings (from the touchline) didnt work because of their experience anyone reckon the same is happening with Pulis and the likes of Evans and Fletcher?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 08:22:38 PM
Quote from: Dudleylad on February 06, 2016, 08:19:53 PM
Remember when Megson signed the likes of Greening and Kanu and the rollockings (from the touchline) didnt work because of their experience anyone reckon the same is happening with Pulis and the likes of Evans and Fletcher?

Most definitely, Evans put him in his place during a recent home game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 08:23:13 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 08:08:48 PM
Employ the right manager in the first place and the fans wouldn't want change.

When have we recently ever had a manager last 5 years?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 06, 2016, 08:23:49 PM
Quote from: Dudleylad on February 06, 2016, 08:19:53 PM
Remember when Megson signed the likes of Greening and Kanu and the rollockings (from the touchline) didnt work because of their experience anyone reckon the same is happening with Pulis and the likes of Evans and Fletcher?

I'd rather have Fletcher and Evans as acting player-managers than for Pulis to continue. At least they know what proper football is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on February 06, 2016, 08:24:38 PM
Ok, I am certainly no pulis fan and the current run and performances are very poor, but can anyone seriously name me a realistic person who could do better. I'm sorry but pulis is not totally to blame, we are simply not good enough and like villa we have been circling the plug hole for a while now and may drop this time or next. Come on everyone, name me a realistic alternative who'll Come in, play fantastic football with an aging squad who are simply not good enough
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 08:26:32 PM
The thing for me is that, given our position, we'd be screaming for someone just like Pulis to come in and sort it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 08:28:48 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 08:23:13 PM
When have we recently ever had a manager last 5 years?

Are you suggesting that is simply down to the fans?

Had Hodgson not left to join England I would hazard a guess he would still be here now.

No suprise that he is the best manager we have had in years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 08:30:31 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 08:26:32 PM
The thing for me is that, given our position, we'd be screaming for someone just like Pulis to come in and sort it.

You might, I wouldn't.

A number of my mates who are Villa fans have said they would not want Pulis in charge. Given their current situation that says allot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 06, 2016, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 08:28:48 PM
Are you suggesting that is simply down to the fans?

Had Hodgson not left to join England I would hazard a guess he would still be here now.

No suprise that he is the best manager we have had in years.

Everyone would have wanted him to stay but I don't think he would still be here now because Jeremy Peace is our chairman...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 06, 2016, 08:38:27 PM
Quote from: Topman on February 06, 2016, 08:24:38 PM
Ok, I am certainly no pulis fan and the current run and performances are very poor, but can anyone seriously name me a realistic person who could do better. I'm sorry but pulis is not totally to blame, we are simply not good enough and like villa we have been circling the plug hole for a while now and may drop this time or next. Come on everyone, name me a realistic alternative who'll Come in, play fantastic football with an aging squad who are simply not good enough

I know Pulis not solely to blame for our current predicament but the only positive contribution he has made to it was keeping us up last season. The medicine is now worse than the disease, I really don't care who the next manager is as long is it not another member of the work aaarrd school of British Coaching.  You know what hurts more than anything about today? It is the pity we are getting from Newcastle fan's and that is from a team that has spent nearly the entire season in the bottom three. 

I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 06, 2016, 08:41:52 PM
Quote from: Dudleylad on February 06, 2016, 08:19:53 PM
Remember when Megson signed the likes of Greening and Kanu and the rollockings (from the touchline) didnt work because of their experience anyone reckon the same is happening with Pulis and the likes of Evans and Fletcher?

I'm surprised they came here to play for him in the first place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 06, 2016, 08:46:59 PM
I dont think he struggles to attract the names afterall he signed Crouch and Owen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 06, 2016, 08:47:36 PM
We can complain as long as we like but like it or not Pullis was appointed to keep us in the PL this year so that the club can benefit from the increased Sky TV money - miss out and we could spend another 12 years in the Championship.

Pullis tactics may be bad but they are aimed solely upon us staying up.

Sorry folks it really is pain before pleasure  :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 08:49:52 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 06, 2016, 08:47:36 PM
We can complain as long as we like but like it or not Pullis was appointed to keep us in the PL this year so that the club can benefit from the increased Sky TV money - miss out and we could spend another 12 years in the Championship.

Pullis tactics may be bad but they are aimed solely upon us staying up.

Sorry folks it really is pain before pleasure  :(

Unfortunately no guarantee that we will survive, could well be pain before a horrible death.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on February 06, 2016, 08:53:36 PM
Quote from: Dudleylad on February 06, 2016, 08:46:59 PM
I dont think he struggles to attract the names afterall he signed Crouch and Owen.

A concern of mine is he now seems to be signing ' names ' . No skill in that he should get out there and cast his eye over games whereby he might be able to get value for money .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 06, 2016, 09:00:40 PM
I can't see him changing for the Everton match.
Lukaku will have a field day.
Their players will run at our defence, and because our defence are old men in footballing terms, they wont be able to catch them up without fouling them.
We started today with a 9 man defence, and even that was found wanting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on February 06, 2016, 09:03:01 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 06, 2016, 08:38:27 PM
I know Pulis not solely to blame for our current predicament but the only positive contribution he has made to it was keeping us up last season. The medicine is now worse than the disease, I really don't care who the next manager is as long is it not another member of the work aaarrd school of British Coaching.  You know what hurts more than anything about to the day? It is the pity we are getting from Newcastle fan's and that is from a team that has spent nearly the entire season in the bottom three. 

I would rather die on my feet than live my knees.

The perfect quote to sum up my feelings on the situation we find ourselves in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on February 06, 2016, 09:07:01 PM
Get rid of at the end of the season, get Rodgers in. This team is good enough to stay in the league without setting out for a 0-0 every game. We could line up with two strikers and two wongers and leave sandro and fletcher in the middle to protect the back 4 but for some reason he's making the team sit off every team we play against which creates constant pressure which will leak in the goals as it has started to do. Add in that we aren't scoring off set pieces as much and we are in massive trouble. Sort it Pulis and then get out of our club!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 06, 2016, 09:11:18 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 08:08:48 PM
Employ the right manager in the first place and the fans wouldn't want change.

How the hell  do you know who the right manager is - there are non I can think of apart from possibly Wenger, Sir Alex Ferguson and Moyes who have had continuous success. Isn't the average length of stay in the premiership under 2 years (in 2015 was 1.8 years)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 06, 2016, 09:14:29 PM
Quote from: Topman on February 06, 2016, 08:24:38 PM
Ok, I am certainly no pulis fan and the current run and performances are very poor, but can anyone seriously name me a realistic person who could do better. I'm sorry but pulis is not totally to blame, we are simply not good enough and like villa we have been circling the plug hole for a while now and may drop this time or next. Come on everyone, name me a realistic alternative who'll Come in, play fantastic football with an aging squad who are simply not good enough
Yep....
Me
My mom
The lady in tescos with the blonde hair
Elton John
The bloke with the goatee on rentaghost
Bergerac.
But probably not Remi Garde
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 06, 2016, 09:11:18 PM
How the hell  do you know who the right manager is - there are non I can think of apart from possibly Wenger, Sir Alex Ferguson and Moyes who have had continuous success. Isn't the average length of stay in the premiership under 2 years (in 2015 was 1.8 years)

I agree, however my response was directed at a quote that seemed to suggest you can't have a five year plan because the fans won't back the manager beyond 18 months.

It's football in the current climate.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 06, 2016, 09:20:48 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 09:15:24 PM
I agree, however my response was directed at a quote that seemed to suggest you can't have a five year plan because the fans won't back the manager beyond 18 months.

It's football in the current climate.

Not particularly aimed a you but in general we are blaming the chairman, other clubs do the same - look at Liverpool and their management round about, I can't think of a club whose supporters haven't been dissatisfied with their manager - Look at Arsenal last year wanting Wenger out because they haven't won anything - I would welcome being in their position
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 06, 2016, 09:29:31 PM
Ok - maybe not a 5-year plan!

We need a 3-year plan.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 09:30:06 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 06, 2016, 09:20:48 PM
Not particularly aimed a you but in general we are blaming the chairman, other clubs do the same - look at Liverpool and their management round about, I can't think of a club whose supporters haven't been dissatisfied with their manager - Look at Arsenal last year wanting Wenger out because they haven't won anything - I would welcome being in their position

Personally I don't blame the chairman. My criticism is aimed only at Pulis.

I was gutted when we employed Irvine, and whilst Pulis did well last season in helping to steady the ship, this season we have gone backwards big style.

The only manager I can recall as negative as Pulis was Ron Saunders.

We have had numerous poor managers in between yet in my opinion whilst many were out their depth none have chosen such dire tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 09:33:30 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 09:28:56 PM
People want Rodgers in?  Look at his record and how much money he wasted at Liverpool.

Hodgson had a poor record at Liverpool yet did well here.

Rodgers did very well with Swansea and would certainly play a more attractive style of football. I'd take him over Pulis every day of the week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on February 06, 2016, 09:35:59 PM
pullis has got us into a position where we now need a manager like pullis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 06, 2016, 09:36:19 PM
I think our relationship with Pulis is rapidly heading the way Allardyce's was with the West Ham fans. They hated him almost from the word go (there was a lot less hostility towards Pulis) not because he didn't get results he generally did but because of the style. As now  with Pulis there was a lot patting the fans on the head "saying careful what you wish for" etc... but the plain fact is the football was awful and the fans just hated it. If Allardyce goes with Sunderland this year then Pulis will be the last of the old school British managers still doing the rounds.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 06, 2016, 09:38:02 PM
Although we are going through a rocky patch at the moment I believe we are only round the corner from an unlikely 2/3 decent results. It's always been the way since Pulis has been at the helm. I also think we will be safe come mid April.

However, I think at the end of the season it's time for a change. We need someone who the whole fanbase can get behind and I think that is Derek McInnes. I know he wouldn't get a look in if he hadn't played for us but we need someone who knows our club and will get an instant full backing from the fans. McInnes wouldn't be a divisive appointment and we would all be singing from the same hymn sheet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 06, 2016, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: BB74 on February 06, 2016, 09:38:02 PM
Although we are going through a rocky patch at the moment I believe we are only round the corner from an unlikely 2/3 decent results. It's always been the way since Pulis has been at the helm. I also think we will be safe come mid April.

However, I think at the end of the season it's time for a change. We need someone who the whole fanbase can get behind and I think that is Derek McInnes. I know he wouldn't get a look in if he hadn't played for us but we need someone who knows our club and will get an instant full backing from the fans. McInnes wouldn't be a divisive appointment and we would all be singing from the same hymn sheet.

I didn't suggest him because he was ex-Albion.  Sentimentality shouldn't count for more than 1% of any appointment.  I'm suggesting him because he's done his apprenticeship with Aberdeen after some failures in England and he's proved that he can build a side.  Yes, he'd be popular, but I suspect anyone other than Pulis would be popular!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 09:53:31 PM
Today we were limp and lacklustre. Ive seen comments from Fletcher about enjoying playing when we are on the front foot after decent performances, and close ups today showed him shaking his head.

I dont get the impression that any of our players are loving life at the moment and I'm pretty sure that if i was a player my heart would sink every time i get the tactics chat from Pulis.

Today there was nothing. No real positives, nobody who put the extra effort in, nobody who really performed well.

Ill be honest, there was a ball forward in the second half from Olson I think, and it ran straight out for a goal kick. Itvwas so bad that I started to think that it was deliberate...and I have a lot of time for Olsson.

So do we feel that our players are giving it their all, or are they starting to lose belief, like the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 09:55:07 PM
Not sure failing in england then doing ok with aberdeen is much of a recommendation for someone to take us on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 09:56:13 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 09:53:31 PM
Today we were limp and lacklustre. Ive seen comments from Fletcher about enjoying playing when we are on the front foot after decent performances, and close ups today showed him shaking his head.

I dont get the impression that any of our players are loving life at the moment and I'm pretty sure that if i was a player my heart would sink every time i get the tactics chat from Pulis.

Today there was nothing. No real positives, nobody who put the extra effort in, nobody who really performed well.

Ill be honest, there was a ball forward in the second half from Olson I think, and it ran straight out for a goal kick. Itvwas so bad that I started to think that it was deliberate...and I have a lot of time for Olsson.

So do we feel that our players are giving it their all, or are they starting to lose belief, like the fans.

I don't believe that there are many players who would welcome Pulis tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 09:56:48 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 09:53:31 PM
Today we were limp and lacklustre. Ive seen comments from Fletcher about enjoying playing when we are on the front foot after decent performances, and close ups today showed him shaking his head.

I dont get the impression that any of our players are loving life at the moment and I'm pretty sure that if i was a player my heart would sink every time i get the tactics chat from Pulis.

Today there was nothing. No real positives, nobody who put the extra effort in, nobody who really performed well.

Ill be honest, there was a ball forward in the second half from Olson I think, and it ran straight out for a goal kick. Itvwas so bad that I started to think that it was deliberate...and I have a lot of time for Olsson.

So do we feel that our players are giving it their all, or are they starting to lose belief, like the fans.

Fletcher's thinking: "f**k me I've given it away again, Cristiano, Becks and Scholesy used to make me look good, it's why I've had such a prestigious career despite having no ability, it was better when I was shitting myself in Man United's physio room." *Shakes head*

 ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 06, 2016, 09:57:21 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 09:55:07 PM
Not sure failing in england then doing ok with aberdeen is much of a recommendation for someone to take us on.

It's more about getting the fans on the same bus again for me. McInnes would bring a clean sweep throughout the fanbase and would get the backing of everyone from the off. I can't remember the last appointment to get majority backing. Even Roy had his doubters off the back of Liverpool.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on February 06, 2016, 09:57:27 PM
he keeps saying 'theyre a great bunch of lads'

theyre not


they are professionals who spend all week working so that they can put in a performance but consistently fail to do so. its a level playing field re fixture conjestion, opportunities to strengthen etc with all but the top 7 teams yet he continues to make excuses as if our position is unique.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 06, 2016, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 09:55:07 PM
Not sure failing in england then doing ok with aberdeen is much of a recommendation for someone to take us on.

I disagree.   Every single manager fails at some point. Even Fergie and Mourinho. It's how they bounce back, and the lessons that they learn along the way, which make them.

McInnes took on a couple of very tough jobs in England, failed and moved on.  He's done very well at Aberdeen.  No, Aberdeen is not the Bundesliga, but he's probably ready. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 10:00:16 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 09:56:48 PM
Fletcher's thinking: "f**k me I've given it away again, Cristiano, Becks and Scholesy used to make me look good, it's why I've had such a prestigious career despite having no ability, it was better when I was shitting myself in Man United's physio room." *Shakes head*

 ;D

I see the smiley and i know you are joking but ffs thats a bit off if you ask me.

As for the point you are making, youre probably right. He'll be thinking 'Giggs would have got to that pass' as Gardner puffs his way up the touchline with Pulis bellowing 'go on Gards' in his ear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:03:05 PM
Wouldn't want Rodger's his football without Suarez was dire. Riddled with mistakes by expensive misfits.

Pearson no again, he's already sh*t on us once. 12 decent games with Leicester City after nearly taking down virtually the same team that is 5 points clear at the top of the Premier League, sanctioned a deal to sell Vardy to Sheffield Wednesday... Utter b*llend.

McInnes is of interest but not until he does it in the Scottish League comprising BOTH Celtic and Rangers, Mowbray was a big success here but ultimately he was flawed.

Happy for Pulis to stay at least until the end of next season and think it's a bit rich to be talking about replacements.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 06, 2016, 10:03:37 PM
I sat next to a very prominent person from the football world at a dinner the other night (and no, I am not naming him), who reckons that Pearson built Leicester into what they are today, with Raineri inheriting something very decent.   He said that Pearson really suffered with the stress of it all, and would do very well if he has a trusted lieutenant who could advise him and share some of the pressure with him.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:03:59 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 10:00:16 PM
I see the smiley and i know you are joking but ffs thats a bit off if you ask me.

As for the point you are making, youre probably right. He'll be thinking 'Giggs would have got to that pass' as Gardner puffs his way up the touchline with Pulis bellowing 'go on Gards' in his ear.

As a sufferer of Ulcerative Colitis myself I feel I can poke fun at it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 06, 2016, 10:04:56 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 09:33:30 PM
Hodgson had a poor record at Liverpool yet did well here.

Rodgers did very well with Swansea and would certainly play a more attractive style of football. I'd take him over Pulis every day of the week.
Id take ex Borussia Monchengladbach manager Lucien Favre, a well balanced manager who is known for a strong and well organised defense but also a balanced, counter offensive (a la Leicester) gameplay while also habitually switching to a more possessive gamestlye and back when needed. He basically saved 'Gladbach from relegation and them made them Champions League within 2 years.

He also isn't afraid to use the youngsters available, credited with raising players like Marc Andre Ter Stegan (who he replaced with Yann Sommer, whose a VERY good keeper), Christopher Kramer, Marco Reus as well as Gokhan Inler (at Leicester) while at Zurich. Fun fact, while at Zurich, he won the league with a team average age of just under 22!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie79 on February 06, 2016, 10:05:16 PM
Remember when football was fantastic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udx3KVq2fZ8
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 10:05:30 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:03:59 PM
As a sufferer of Ulcerative Colitis myself I feel I can poke fun at it.

Fair enough. You've got me there!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 06, 2016, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on February 06, 2016, 09:50:18 PM
Mcinnes will not come at the moment, he is currently in a similar situation to raneiri, would he come?
To me the only real options are Roy or Pearson

Right now McInnes would not come he is after all  he is in a title race but in the summer we would have a shout. Not sure that Pearson would return nor would Roy.

In respect of McInnes very few Head Coaches are going to turn up here without one or two blemishes on their cv unless you go for a young coach who has had a good run in their first appointment like Karl Robinson.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 06, 2016, 10:03:37 PM
I sat next to a very prominent person from the football world at a dinner the other night (and no, I am not naming him), who reckons that Pearson built Leicester into what they are today, with Raineri inheriting something very decent.   He said that Pearson really suffered with the stress of it all, and would do very well if he has a trusted lieutenant who could advise him and share some of the pressure with him.

Interesting because I do think that the run at the end of last season was beyond astonishing. They did exactly what they are doing now - counter attacked with pace and precision.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: weareblueweare white on February 06, 2016, 10:12:01 PM
Would love Pearson here, how much of what Leicester are doing this season is down to him ::)

Or, how much of last season (30 odd points worse off at the same stage) was down to him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 06, 2016, 10:18:18 PM
I said mcinnes on here before we had pulis, and i still think we should have him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:19:18 PM
Quote from: albion59 on February 06, 2016, 10:18:18 PM
I said mcinnes on here before we had pulis, and i still think we should have him.

Would have been criminal to hire another inexperienced guy on the back of Clarke, Mel and Irvine mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 06, 2016, 10:21:38 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:19:18 PM
Would have been criminal to hire another inexperienced guy on the back of Clarke, Mel and Irvine mate.
it's bloody criminal what's happening now!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 06, 2016, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:19:18 PM
Would have been criminal to hire another inexperienced guy on the back of Clarke, Mel and Irvine mate.

Last time round would have been to soon for McInnes and Pulis was the correct appointment. This summer is the right time for McInnes imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 06, 2016, 10:23:01 PM
Nope. Whatever you think of Pulis the majority of the time the players try for him and give effort. Today was just poor but "losing the dressing" room...nope.
Also "losing the dressing room" is an annoying quote that is bandied around in modern football. As one manager said "how can they lose it, go down the tunnel and look for the 2 doors one says home the other says away"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boult on February 06, 2016, 10:24:25 PM
 Facts speak for themselves cant beat Villa,Swansea, Newcastle teams below us, football is terrible the worst for years fans voting with their feet. With TP in charge and no signs of improvement  the club has to stick with the manager at least to the end of the season as i don't believe we could attract anyone who could save us with squad available just have to hope Sunderland and Norwich finish below us and TP can crawl over the line. The club would be a more attractive proposition in the close season which ever league we end up in But either way TP time must be up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 10:24:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:03:05 PM
Wouldn't want Rodger's his football without Suarez was dire. Riddled with mistakes by expensive misfits.

Pearson no again, he's already sh*t on us once. 12 decent games with Leicester City after nearly taking down virtually the same team that is 5 points clear at the top of the Premier League, sanctioned a deal to sell Vardy to Sheffield Wednesday... Utter b*llend.

McInnes is of interest but not until he does it in the Scottish League comprising BOTH Celtic and Rangers, Mowbray was a big success here but ultimately he was flawed.

Happy for Pulis to stay at least until the end of next season and think it's a bit rich to be talking about replacements.

Spot on.  I would add that if we do go down I'd get rid of Pulis, if not give him until the end of next season then we can say we backed him and gave him a chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 06, 2016, 10:27:25 PM
Quote from: albion59 on February 06, 2016, 10:21:38 PM
it's bloody criminal what's happening now!!

Or still in the cup, 14th and 2 losses in 10. Not a pulis fan but not as bad as Irvine / Mowbray (in the prem) or the end of Clarke's reign...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 06, 2016, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 06, 2016, 09:29:31 PM
Ok - maybe not a 5-year plan!

We need a 3-year plan.......
right now we need a 13 game plan, and quick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 10:28:21 PM
"I dont get the impression that any of our players are loving life at the moment and I'm pretty sure that if i was a player my heart would sink every time i get the tactics chat from Pulis."

Or when they take to the pitch and get booed.  Or when they bust a gut to get a draw and still get booed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pauly414 on February 06, 2016, 10:29:17 PM
Quote from: Baggie79 on February 06, 2016, 10:05:16 PM
Remember when football was fantastic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udx3KVq2fZ8

Brought a tear to my eye watching that again. The atmosphere and passion is a long memory now. >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 10:29:26 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 06, 2016, 10:28:04 PM
right now we need a 13 game plan, and quick.

I laughed at that.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pauly414 on February 06, 2016, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 06, 2016, 10:27:25 PM
Or still in the cup, 14th and 2 losses in 10. Not a pulis fan but not as bad as Irvine / Mowbray (in the prem) or the end of Clarke's reign...

No one is disputing the points tally though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:33:06 PM
Quote from: pauly414 on February 06, 2016, 10:31:14 PM
No one is disputing the points tally though.

Plenty on here are suggesting we're going to go down... That suggests they don't think our points tally is good enough. It's not just about the football, there is a vendetta against Pulis going back to his Stoke City days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 06, 2016, 10:39:09 PM
Majority of the team have got booed under the past couple of managers :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 10:44:44 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:33:06 PM
Plenty on here are suggesting we're going to go down... That suggests they don't think our points tally is good enough. It's not just about the football, there is a vendetta against Pulis going back to his Stoke City days.

Given that Pulis has done nothing to me in the past I have no vendetta against him.

I simply do not rate his style of football in the same way you don't rate Myhill, Fletcher etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 06, 2016, 10:48:44 PM
 I didn't like him before he was our coach and I wont like him after he's gone, no agenda against him other than he plays a game different to what I am willing to pay to watch.
when his teams are hard to beat with a solid organised defence I can see and appreciate the work that's gone into obtaining it and have respect for it but where's the balance, at best today we may have got a point but too many games recently we have given the impetus to the opposition team because these managers aint stupid and know by the team we send out that we have set up to defend.
one thing I will say is it would be a bad move for the board to consider any changes at least till the seasons end especially how long we take to appoint. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 06, 2016, 10:48:57 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:14:59 PM
Or, how much of last season (30 odd points worse off at the same stage) was down to him?
After promotion 1st season back in prem, played well for most the season but unlucky in a lot of games, then a run of results as good as anybody's- built the foundation for this season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on February 06, 2016, 10:52:38 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 10:44:44 PM
Given that Pulis has done nothing to me in the past I have no vendetta against him.

I simply do not rate his style of football in the same way you don't rate Myhill, Fletcher etc
.  Another game without a shot on target.Say no more. >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 06, 2016, 10:55:08 PM
Quote from: weareblueweare white on February 06, 2016, 10:48:57 PM
After promotion 1st season back in prem, played well for most the season but unlucky in a lot of games, then a run of results as good as anybody's- built the foundation for this season

History confirms that from this stage onwards it all clicked into place.   Had he not "had his odd moments" he would still be at Leicester now.

I thought he might have had a chance at the Swansea job

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 06, 2016, 10:55:15 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on February 06, 2016, 10:52:38 PM
.  Another game without a shot on target.Say no more. >:(

Certain individuals will have you believe today was a one off and we simply move on, I beg to differ.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pauly414 on February 06, 2016, 10:58:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:33:06 PM
Plenty on here are suggesting we're going to go down... That suggests they don't think our points tally is good enough. It's not just about the football, there is a vendetta against Pulis going back to his Stoke City days.

The points, I would say, are about what everyone expected at this stage of the season, it's what's happening currently on the pitch and it's hard to see where the points are going to come from to keep us up. I don't have a vendetta against Pulis but my eyes don't deceive me. Do you not think we have any chance of being relegated with the way things are going? I would say the odds are more in favour of us dropping.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on February 06, 2016, 11:02:36 PM
I completely agree with posters suggesting Pulis was the right choice after Mel and Irvine....we were a mess and needed a strong head to steady the ship. But now the ship has been steadied..and pointing in the right direction, we have started to see a few cracks appearing in the hull. The passengers (fans) have realised that although we may get to the shores of safety, the destination is looking like it could be a 2 star and not the 3-4 star we may of accepted - in fact it looks like (based on performances) it could be the holiday from hell! On the one hand, the tour operator says "well we got you there", but it doesn't really change the fact that hotel is an eyesore, the bed-sheets are dirty, and the food served up in the restraint leaves you feeling as though you're about to have 'the trots'! Even if the tour operator offered to invest to insure this experience didn't happen again, would you trust them to invest wisely!! Maybe self catering ain't as bad as it seems!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 11:11:20 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 06, 2016, 10:48:44 PM
I didn't like him before he was our coach and I wont like him after he's gone, no agenda against him other than he plays a game different to what I am willing to pay to watch.
when his teams are hard to beat with a solid organised defence I can see and appreciate the work that's gone into obtaining it and have respect for it but where's the balance, at best today we may have got a point but too many games recently we have given the impetus to the opposition team because these managers aint stupid and know by the team we send out that we have set up to defend.
one thing I will say is it would be a bad move for the board to consider any changes at least till the seasons end especially how long we take to appoint.

Agree with your post, but if we lose the next two will you still have the same view.

On current form we are heading closer to the drop than away, and Peace tends to make a change before we get into the drop zone than after.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 06, 2016, 11:12:43 PM
Personally I don't think he's lost the dressing room, he seems too dominant to ever lose it with his personality which is quite a strong one.

I think the issue over the past month is that we've been exposed when a few key players have gotten injured. It's not a compliment to Pulis either, and shows how reliant we are on some of the regulars.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 11:13:08 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 06, 2016, 10:28:21 PM
"I dont get the impression that any of our players are loving life at the moment and I'm pretty sure that if i was a player my heart would sink every time i get the tactics chat from Pulis."

Or when they take to the pitch and get booed.  Or when they bust a gut to get a draw and still get booed.

Root cause is Puiis on both cases in my view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 06, 2016, 11:16:14 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 11:11:20 PM
Agree with your post, but if we lose the next two will you still have the same view.

On current form we are heading closer to the drop than away, and Peace tends to make a change before we get into the drop zone than after.
I want him gone but like I said its how quick or who replaces him knowing the length of time it takes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 06, 2016, 11:22:06 PM
Currently i still think Pulis is the best man for the job , we need to get back to the perfornances up until Chelsea away when we played more on the front foot and with higher energy.
Maybe the squad is just too old and slow to keep that up , maybe the injuries have mounted up ,maybe Pulis himself has gone too negative trying to mask the squads pace problems.
Whatever the issue ( and i suspect its a mix of the above) we need to get ourselves out of this rut and hang on in there until we get a few back fit.
There was already a lot of mess at this club ,Pulis sadly has added a few more although signed a few good ones . I just don't see what good it would do booting TP now ,if he keeps us up i'd let him have another look at our problems in the Summer but that depends on who and what he would want.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on February 06, 2016, 11:22:53 PM
Just watched Everton take Stoke apart.  The next match could be a slaughter...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 11:24:01 PM
So despite the fact that I want Pulis out, here's what I think will happen...

We will lose to  Everton and scrape another poor draw against Palace. We will then get an unlikely win against one of United and Arsenal, and another point during that spell of tricky fixtures. That will keep Pulis in a job, we will do enough to stay up, this thread will ebb and flow from post defeat meltdown to post win triumphalism. Most of us will finish the season fed up. Some of us won't renew season tickets. Few of us will look forward to next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 06, 2016, 11:24:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:33:06 PM
Plenty on here are suggesting we're going to go down... That suggests they don't think our points tally is good enough. It's not just about the football, there is a vendetta against Pulis going back to his Stoke City days.
I havent got a vendetta against him, i posted on here that he lost me after that woeful performance against the vile and nothing as changed for me, how can you set up and go out not to win a game, when everyone tells us football is a results game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 11:24:49 PM
Quote from: stoxman on February 06, 2016, 11:22:53 PM
Just watched Everton take Stoke apart.  The next match could be a slaughter...

People worried about us, Stokealona are in freefall, hammered this week and last and out of both cups. They seem to be getting the QPR version of Mark Hughes in 2016.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 11:27:49 PM
Quote from: albion59 on February 06, 2016, 11:24:37 PM
I havent got a vendetta against him, i posted on here that he lost me after that woeful performance against the vile and nothing as changed for me, how can you set up and go out not to win a game, when everyone tells us football is a results game?

Because there are 3 results in a football match, we find ourselves in a position points wise where rightly or wrongly not losing will keep us up. Didn't work out today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 06, 2016, 11:34:23 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 10:33:06 PM
Plenty on here are suggesting we're going to go down... That suggests they don't think our points tally is good enough. It's not just about the football, there is a vendetta against Pulis going back to his Stoke City days.
I believe your theory is correct , not everyone but i believe there's a chunk of Albion fans who hold a grudge over Stoke both beating and physically beating us up on a regular basis.I can understand it ,it was really only when he turned an awful Palace side around i began to rethink my views on him. That said Pulis has got to start helping himself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 06, 2016, 11:35:11 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 11:27:49 PM
Because there are 3 results in a football match, we find ourselves in a position points wise where rightly or wrongly not losing will keep us up. Didn't work out today.
Jacko we have had our differences on here but you come across as a knowledgeable football bloke, so are you really telling us that you are happy with the way we set up and play? As i said  in another post if this continues i will not be having my season ticket next season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 06, 2016, 11:48:27 PM
its been a miserable day football wise but having just read jackos last pre match chat post about p,boro its the only thing I've found funny today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 11:49:34 PM
Quote from: albion59 on February 06, 2016, 11:35:11 PM
Jacko we have had our differences on here but you come across as a knowledgeable football bloke, so are you really telling us that you are happy with the way we set up and play? As i said  in another post if this continues i will not be having my season ticket next season

I guess you'd describe me as accepting of it. I believe we have a very poor squad (Brunt and Morrison are still our best 2 "footballers") Foster and Evans the only other 2 who I would consider "must keeps" in the summer. Whenever we've played open we've been beaten (City, Chelsea, Everton, Leicester).

I actually think we're now over achieving, and with Brunt, Evans and Morrison injured the attacking side of our game will inevitably suffer.

Newcastle played around us today with a defensive set up, so we could have been 3 or 4 nil down had we started Sessegnon and Berahino instead of 2 of the midfielders. Pulis will always be safety first against teams below us in the league, but I maintain he isn't passing the ball for experienced Premier League players like Fletcher, Yacob, Olsson and McAuley. You can't blame the guy standing on the side for that lack of quality in giving a 5 or 10 yard pass and then moving into space to receive it again.

Quote from: frazzle on February 06, 2016, 11:37:38 PM
Really?  :D

You just had Pocognoli and Chester in your team going forward mate...  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on February 06, 2016, 11:51:52 PM
People are right- the bigger picture isn't just Pulis.

The reason he is here is because of terrible appointments previously and turning to him to save us. It was the right call then but now the long term plans need reviewing again.

The other thing that I find absolutely terrifying is when Chris Brunt is referred to as a 'key player'. The last time I saw the so called wand of a left foot and a decent season was when we won the championship under Mowbray, back in 2008 for goodness sake. Our recruitment hasn't been anywhere near good enough these past three years. (In terms of quality, not £££ spent).


However, despite that, Pulis has enough to work with and spent enough ££ in the summer to address our problems and actually field a side with a threat going forward. The full back fiasco this season for me is just beggars belief. And I know Saido is a rebel but the kid can score 15-20 goals a season and to a club like us that's gold dust.

If we aren't selling him, at least use him to our advantage?

We have just forgotten that sometimes the best way to relieve pressure is to actually attack and make the opponent do some defending of their own!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 07, 2016, 12:09:28 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2016, 11:49:34 PM
I guess you'd describe me as accepting of it. I believe we have a very poor squad (Brunt and Morrison are still our best 2 "footballers") Foster and Evans the only other 2 who I would consider "must keeps" in the summer. Whenever we've played open we've been beaten (City, Chelsea, Everton, Leicester).

I actually think we're now over achieving, and with Brunt, Evans and Morrison injured the attacking side of our game will inevitably suffer.

Newcastle played around us today with a defensive set up, so we could have been 3 or 4 nil down had we started Sessegnon and Berahino instead of 2 of the midfielders. Pulis will always be safety first against teams below us in the league, but I maintain he isn't passing the ball for experienced Premier League players like Fletcher, Yacob, Olsson and McAuley. You can't blame the guy standing on the side for that lack of quality in giving a 5 or 10 yard pass and then moving into space to receive it again.

You just had Pocognoli and Chester in your team going forward mate...  ;)
i can see what you are saying, but i cant accept not having a go you never know if he would let them attack we might just might surprise ourselves. He as also had the chance to buy more players but some of the ones he as bought are simply not good enough and that IS down to pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on February 07, 2016, 01:44:23 AM
As much as I dislike what is being served up, personally I think it would be a mistake to get rid of Pulis before the end of the season (he may walk which is another matter). A replacement in my opinion will not be able to turn things around quickly enough with this squad and the lack of an offensive playing style that has been drilled out of them.

Those that defend Pulis say that he has little at his disposal for a more offensive approach but he has had enough windows now to rectify that. The few offensive players that he has brought in including loans are hardly getting an opportunity and if they are not good enough that is poor recruitment on his part.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 07, 2016, 06:00:28 AM
Couldn't believe the team he named,so disappointed with that.I really thought that we would sit back and play for set pieces and try and score.I listened to the various live reports and was embarrassed to hear them.I couldn't watch match of the day at all,I watched a documentary about the great wall of China instead and it crossed my mind that perhaps it was built by some of tp,s relatives! I think we're in trouble now,but there are still three teams worse than us arn,t there,someone please tell me there are? Is tp too tied up with his personal problems or what? I could have picked a better team than that.anyway lets try and be positive for wednes night eh?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 07, 2016, 07:15:23 AM
Quote from: liverbaggie on February 07, 2016, 06:00:28 AM
Couldn't believe the team he named,so disappointed with that.I really thought that we would sit back and play for set pieces and try and score.I listened to the various live reports and was embarrassed to hear them.I couldn't watch match of the day at all,I watched a documentary about the great wall of China instead and it crossed my mind that perhaps it was built by some of tp,s relatives! I think we're in trouble now,but there are still three teams worse than us arn,t there,someone please tell me there are? Is tp too tied up with his personal problems or what? I could have picked a better team than that.anyway lets try and be positive for wednes night eh?

Yep, see if we can get Peterborough to Penalties  8)

Anyway, as I see it we are stuck with what we've got, both player and managerial wise, until the end of the season.
Tone is a mouth on a stick, you can see he bullies and compartmentises those around him. He's living off his reputation of never being relegated which he is in danger of losing this season.
Personally I think we need to keep him until the end of the season. We need the equivalent of 4 wins to stay up, difficult to see where they are coming from at the moment I know but the end of last season showed that some strange results transpire in the closing stages.
At the end of the season thank him for keeping us up for two seasons and marginalising our fan base then show him the door.
When he came he he said he had a massive rebuilding job on his hands I would argue that whoever comes in next will have an even bigger one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 08:24:00 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 07, 2016, 07:15:23 AM
Yep, see if we can get Peterborough to Penalties  8)

Anyway, as I see it we are stuck with what we've got, both player and managerial wise, until the end of the season.
Tone is a mouth on a stick, you can see he bullies and compartmentises those around him. He's living off his reputation of never being relegated which he is in danger of losing this season.
Personally I think we need to keep him until the end of the season. We need the equivalent of 4 wins to stay up, difficult to see where they are coming from at the moment I know but the end of last season showed that some strange results transpire in the closing stages.
At the end of the season thank him for keeping us up for two seasons and marginalising our fan base then show him the door.
When he came he he said he had a massive rebuilding job on his hands I would argue that whoever comes in next will have an even bigger one.

I can't disagree with any of that with regard to the rebuild

Consider this

out of contract at the end of the season
Sess, Morrison, Olsson, McAuley  Anichebe Pritchard and Sandro

The Pulis Bomb squad
McManaman, Berahino, Pocognoli, Lambert,Gamboa and Chester

Regardless of what you think of those players that is half the squad.

The other half of the squad has a number of players who are passed their peak, some whose confidence is shot and some that you could question whether they should be playing at this level at all.

It's not much of a legacy and before anyone jumps all over me and points out for umpteenth time that it is not all Pulis's fault yes I know, but no coach gets the luxury of working with players that he has bought to the club and as of now nearly 50% of the squad are Pulis recruits. In his 12 months here he hasn't made the situation better and I don't think you could argue any of the players have improved during his time at the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 07, 2016, 09:10:47 AM
Another problem highlighted in this thread is the huge amount of players out of contract in the Summer , I'd like to think Pulis has got a few worked out now and will show the door to some of them .That's one of the reasons if we stay up I'd keep him on provided the targets are decent and will be played not bombed out.
Despite our current form i think we are slightly better than last year , injuries/age and trying to have a cup run look like they have taken there toll on the current squad but we have shown over a number of games we are quite capable of playing well and picking up results this season.

Lastly it's time some of the players took a share of the blame , theres several players making the same mistakes and poor performances under a different head coach.
Pulis isn't a messiah who can't be relegated , but he also isn't the devil some like to make out either.
Lets stick together and scramble to safety then review things.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 07, 2016, 09:22:22 AM
I woke up this morning and thought back to all the good times following Albion.

I used to walk up to the ground on a Saturday afternoon and at the end of the match go away reasonable happy even if hadn't won.
Today we have a manager who has produced a plastic team devoid of any ideas or entertainment.
What has he done to my beloved club?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on February 07, 2016, 09:32:18 AM
1 shot on target in 3 games is an absolute disgrace, when you consider it came against teams in the relegation zone it makes it much worse. I honestly think you would find teams in Sunday league with more ability than we are showing at the moment. Can't fault the players on their commitment but they can't even do the basics. As things stand we are by far and away the worst team in the division. 31% possession and no shots on target would have made you think we were playing Bayern Munich not Newcastle. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 07, 2016, 09:33:59 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 07, 2016, 09:22:22 AM
I woke up this morning and thought back to all the good times following Albion.

I used to walk up to the ground on a Saturday afternoon and at the end of the match go away reasonable happy even if hadn't won.
Today we have a manager who has produced a plastic team devoid of any ideas or entertainment.
What has he done to my beloved club?
Its not just him though is it ? , the wheels started to fall off in Clarkes 2nd season.
Several poor choices from JP lead us to Pulis , despite struggling at the minute there have been some good, positive performances .I would however have  to question how much training they are doing as again Yesterday they looked knackered after 30 mins.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendo on February 07, 2016, 10:09:22 AM
Newcastle our worse away performance. What about Southampton, Watford, Palace, We have been rubbish more times than good. We could add 2 more bad away performances by this time next week. We just aint good enough. Relegation on the cards. Our next 5 games don,t look to promising. Did Rondon almost smile when he made that terrible pass to SB. ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 07, 2016, 10:41:04 AM
Surely no manager would play the way we are willingly?

I have no idea who I would like to have the job, and I'm not entirely sure who would want the job.

But I know what is being served up at moment, is at the very best dogsh1t, awful to watch, I'd imagine awful to play that style, just terrible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on February 07, 2016, 10:48:39 AM
I've been very much pro Pulis but after yesterday, I'm having doubts myself.

Although, if we did change manager I wouldn't be happy unless it was the end of the season. I believe any other manager would relegate us with our squad.

End of the season, new TV deal, Berahino going for 20 plus. Then have 50 odd million to give the new man.

But I don't think how's the right time!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on February 07, 2016, 11:04:01 AM
The vast majority of us when seeing the line-up yesterday predicted the outcome as it turned out in the first half before the substitutions were made and which hardly made much difference, other than more possession in the second-half, because confidence among the players is probably shot.

It does make you wonder what Pulis was thinking. Unfortunately none of the reporters were brave enough to question him on such a negative selection and having more attacking players on the bench. I still wonder if there is any hint of internal issues contributing to what is happening on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 07, 2016, 11:14:11 AM
I have to agree with the posts above about the huge rebuilding task we will face at the end of this season. With or hopefully without Pulis it will take a huge overhaul. You'd have hoped out of his 8 permanent signings at least 5 would be part of the core going forward. Only Evans and maybe McLean will be. Most of our old guard are past their prime too. The additional Sky money will make no odds as every team will get it and only push transfer fees even higher. The summer window will be made even more difficult due to the Euros too. Next season will be tough and I can see us doing what Villa have this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on February 07, 2016, 11:32:36 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 08:24:00 AM
I can't disagree with any of that with regard to the rebuild

Consider this

out of contract at the end of the season
Sess, Morrison, Olsson, McAuley  Anichebe Pritchard and Sandro

The Pulis Bomb squad
McManaman, Berahino, Pocognoli, Lambert,Gamboa and Chester

Regardless of what you think of those players that is half the squad.

The other half of the squad has a number of players who are passed their peak, some whose confidence is shot and some that you could question whether they should be playing at this level at all.

It's not much of a legacy and before anyone jumps all over me and points out for umpteenth time that it is not all Pulis's fault yes I know, but no coach gets the luxury of working with players that he has bought to the club and as of now nearly 50% of the squad are Pulis recruits. In his 12 months here he hasn't made the situation better and I don't think you could argue any of the players have improved during his time at the club.

If they are "The Bomb Squad" we had offers for McManaman and Chester why didn't we sell? Plus 50% of those names are his signings? From the papers so take it with a pinch of salt we would have a decent profit on Callum. I don't get this whole buy someone then don't play them especially after we changed the club structure back so Pulis could have final say. It's a bit of an indictment on his scouting process really

I'm not having a go mate just trying to make sense of it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 07, 2016, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on February 07, 2016, 11:32:36 AM
If they are "The Bomb Squad" we had offers for McManaman and Chester why didn't we sell? Plus 50% of those names are his signings? From the papers so take it with a pinch of salt we would have a decent profit on Callum. I don't get this whole buy someone then don't play them especially after we changed the club structure back so Pulis could have final say. It's a bit of an indictment on his scouting process really

We had an offer for McManaman but he got injured so couldn't sell.

As far as I recall, the "offer" for Chester was from Swansea on loan.  Not a sale.  In other words of no use to us as it would bring in no transfer funds and we had already used up our two domestic loans, so letting him go would have depleted our squad numbers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on February 07, 2016, 11:57:46 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 07, 2016, 11:37:33 AM
We had an offer for McManaman but he got injured so couldn't sell.

As far as I recall, the "offer" for Chester was from Swansea on loan.  Not a sale.  In other words of no use to us as it would bring in no transfer funds and we had already used up our two domestic loans, so letting him go would have depleted our squad numbers.

I'm sure the Mcmanaman offer was a week or so before his injury because I remember the Mail had two articles one with the offer of £4.75m. Then the follow up saying he wasn't for sale. I didn't realise the Chester one was a loan. My mistake
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 07, 2016, 11:58:29 AM
Keep the faith, Pulis will keep us up this season and then the real rebuilding job starts. He needs at least another season, injuries are costing us at the moment. It's still only 2 losses in 10 games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 07, 2016, 12:08:37 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 07, 2016, 11:58:29 AM
Keep the faith, Pulis will keep us up this season and then the real rebuilding job starts. He needs at least another season, injuries are costing us at the moment. It's still only 2 losses in 10 games.

or only 2 wins in 11 League games. Spin it any way you want.
I agree injuries are costing us at the moment and showing up the frailties in the squad.
The idea of having a squad is to have players who can provide adequate cover when the first choice player gets injured, we don't have that luxury as our reserves are very poor.
We have 11 players in the first team, 8 of whom would struggle to make the starting 11 in most other teams in the Premiership.
There wasn't a rush in the transfer widow to buy any of our bench warmers was there?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 07, 2016, 12:13:23 PM
Pulis signings so far are generally established players who're unlikely to develop too much more. That's not a manager preparing to build a long term legacy. I'd say there's a consensus developing that he's the wrong man at the Albion. However sooner or later we as fans and the club will have to let someone try to build a team for the future. This team is the legacy of the best team we've had in thirty years but looks tired and stale. In fact, I thought how fed up and stale Pulis seemed yesterday in his interview - perhaps this rebuild job is genuinely beyond him and we need a more energetic , visionary character to take us forward after this year? Perhaps Pulis uninspiring pragmatism reflects the club at the moment - stuck in a rut with an owner, head coach and squad who are treading water after consistent years of progression?

Time for new ideas and inspiration from somewhere !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 12:30:03 PM
My belief we will stay up has gone.

The relationship with the fans has gone, JP will act soon.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 07, 2016, 12:38:10 PM
He seems to have quite large misgivings about the quality of our young homegrown players, it would be such a huge bonus, if lots of them were good enough for our 25 man squad, sometimes we seem to sign "filler" players, which do nothing more than take a slice of our wage pot, maybe the time has come that a few of the old guard became the experienced player to come on or fill in for injuries or suspension.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on February 07, 2016, 12:50:09 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 07, 2016, 12:38:10 PM
He seems to have quite large misgivings about the quality of our young homegrown players, it would be such a huge bonus, if lots of them were good enough for our 25 man squad, sometimes we seem to sign "filler" players, which do nothing more than take a slice of our wage pot, maybe the time has come that a few of the old guard became the experienced player to come on or fill in for injuries or suspension.

He has misgivings about any young players. You can count on one hand the amount of signings under 25 he's made at either us, Palace, or Stoke and actually used.

His entire gameplan is based around experienced professionals who will do the job asked staying in very particular roles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on February 07, 2016, 11:32:36 AM

If they are "The Bomb Squad" we had offers for McManaman and Chester why didn't we sell? Plus 50% of those names are his signings? From the papers so take it with a pinch of salt we would have a decent profit on Callum. I don't get this whole buy someone then don't play them especially after we changed the club structure back so Pulis could have final say. It's a bit of an indictment on his scouting process really

I'm not having a go mate just trying to make sense of it

McManaman got injured before the deadline so that knocked any deal on the head, Swansea came in for Chester but that was a loan deal which gave us no extra money to spend so not really worthwhile. Everyone else Saido aside little or no interest.

I'm not sure scouting is the problem. In the case of Lambert with virtually zero game time at Liverpool how would anyone really know that his legs had gone? Chester anyone watching him at Hull would have come back with a favorable report, but bringing him in as a right back that was just daft, a really good technical director might have headed that one off at the outset. McManaman  fitness issues well documented scouting reports I am sure would have been available we watched him at Wigan but it has never happened for him and that's a real mystery.

The following from Michael Owen gives some insight into Pulis's methods and how the fringe players are worked during the week and I think it goes someway to explaining the way things look on the pitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLUuQaBkXcs&app=desktop
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 01:29:20 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 01:17:14 PM
McManaman got injured before the deadline so that knocked any deal on the head, Swansea came in for Chester but that was a loan deal which gave us no extra money to spend so not really worthwhile. Everyone else Saido aside little or no interest.

I'm not sure scouting is the problem. In the case of Lambert with virtually zero game time at Liverpool how would anyone really know that his legs had gone? Chester anyone watching him at Hull would have come back with a favorable report, but bringing him in as a right back that was just daft, a really good technical director might have headed that one off at the outset. McManaman  fitness issues well documented scouting reports I am sure would have been available we watched him at Wigan but it has never happened for him and that's a real mystery.

The following from Michael Owen gives some insight into Pulis's methods and how the fringe players are worked during the week and I think it goes someway to explaining the way things look on the pitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLUuQaBkXcs&app=desktop

Was just about to post the same link.

Says it all you need to know about Mr Pulis.

Sooner hes gone the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on February 07, 2016, 01:47:47 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 01:17:14 PM
McManaman got injured before the deadline so that knocked any deal on the head, Swansea came in for Chester but that was a loan deal which gave us no extra money to spend so not really worthwhile. Everyone else Saido aside little or no interest.

I'm not sure scouting is the problem. In the case of Lambert with virtually zero game time at Liverpool how would anyone really know that his legs had gone? Chester anyone watching him at Hull would have come back with a favorable report, but bringing him in as a right back that was just daft, a really good technical director might have headed that one off at the outset. McManaman  fitness issues well documented scouting reports I am sure would have been available we watched him at Wigan but it has never happened for him and that's a real mystery.

The following from Michael Owen gives some insight into Pulis's methods and how the fringe players are worked during the week and I think it goes someway to explaining the way things look on the pitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLUuQaBkXcs&app=desktop

I spoke to a couple of Hull fans on holiday just after we had signed him they felt his best position is part of a back 3 certainly not full back .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 07, 2016, 01:57:30 PM
The players that are "no good" and the players that Pulis doesn't play aren't necessarily the same beast though. (Our most coveted player gets significantly less than 50% of game time under TP). The reason we aimed for continuity throughout the coaching and with a director of football was that we bought in players that improved our side in a style that ran through the club from the academy to the first team. The biggest mistakes, in my opinion, we have made in recent history were our backroom appointments. Quite rightly they are no longer with the club but it has also left us with TP as our head coach with too much control. The playing style that is now being introduced throughout the club is some times effective but from a past era and difficult,  at best, to watch. It has also rendered half our squad redundant. If TP is our long term vision...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 07, 2016, 02:00:03 PM
There has been a lot of talk about the "rebuild" and that we need to bring players in. I think this is a fallacy, we have players but TP refuses to play them. We have players for dedicated positions yet TP decides to play them in foreign positions. We have players, its the system and mentality which is completely wrong. That is TPs fault. All his fault and no one elses. Get him out.

Edit: We had players and he bloody sold them ffs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 02:03:27 PM
Not sure there is a playing style throuhgout the club as the u21's seem to be doing okay with James Shaan.

As for needing to bring players in, we do. How many of the sqaud we have are other clubs coveting ? one. How many of the squad we have did we beat other clubs to sign ? How many would have tried to sign Gardner, McClean, Anichebe etc etc ?

This squad is poor and that is down to recruitment folk that are no longer here and yes Pulis also has a share of it to take.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on February 07, 2016, 02:04:28 PM
1st time ever for me yesterday that I couldn't be arsed with us, went shopping with the missus and didn't check a single update through the afternoon, worrying thing for me though I thought I would miss it but I didn't. I don't want to feel like this has anyone else gone through a stage like this??  :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 02:08:28 PM
Quote from: kie the baggie on February 07, 2016, 02:04:28 PM
1st time ever for me yesterday that I couldn't be arsed with us, went shopping with the missus and didn't check a single update through the afternoon, worrying thing for me though I thought I would miss it but I didn't. I don't want to feel like this has anyone else gone through a stage like this??  :(

For about the last four years or so each Summer I have said this is my last season but carried on going, now i've not been away since Norwich (nowt to do with the football on offer) and I didn't think i'd miss it, I didn't for a while but now I am starting to again even after listening to moans from fans and watching the dross on offer via streams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 02:08:39 PM
Another question....

Why arent any of the 'bomb squad' playing for the u21s to get competitive game time?

Surely it is the job of the head coach to get these players playing competitive football whether that be 1st team or u21 level.

If i was paying these players wages i think id like to know why in pating 20k+ a week for someone like chester myhill anichebe berahino poco gamboa to sit on the 1st team bench and not kick a ball in anger for weeks. 

Chester is the prime example. Not played all season then gets thrown in and is expected to perform. This is sunday morning stuff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 02:10:16 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 02:08:39 PM
Another question....

Why arent any of the 'bomb squad' playing for the u21s to get competitive game time?

Surely it is the job of the head coach to get these players playing competitive football whether that be 1st team or u21 level.

If i was paying these players wages i think id like to know why in pating 20k+ a week for someone like chester myhill anichebe berahino poco gamboa to sit on the 1st team bench and not kick a ball in anger for weeks. 

Chester is the prime example. Not played all season then gets thrown in and is expected to perform. This is sunday morning stuff.

Its a good question but seems to be a common thing around the league as well, unless a player is coming back from injury they hardly seem to figure for the u21's. Didn't Saido ask if he could play not long ago to get some game time ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 02:14:06 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 02:10:16 PM
Its a good question but seems to be a common thing around the league as well, unless a player is coming back from injury they hardly seem to figure for the u21's. Didn't Saido ask if he could play not long ago to get some game time ?

Yes he did.

You are allowed 3 over aged players. We should be making use of this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 07, 2016, 02:19:10 PM
you would think that all players who don't get game time would be involved in u21 matches just to stay match fit and build confidence.
maybe they don't play to lessen the risk of injury.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 02:20:28 PM
Quote from: kie the baggie on February 07, 2016, 02:04:28 PM
1st time ever for me yesterday that I couldn't be arsed with us, went shopping with the missus and didn't check a single update through the afternoon, worrying thing for me though I thought I would miss it but I didn't. I don't want to feel like this has anyone else gone through a stage like this??  :(

Yes Pulis done more than anything to switch me off the Baggies. I was never a big away fan but always did a few trips most seasons often to meet up with friends and relations in other parts of the country. I have completely knocked that on the Head can't inflict Pulisball on civilians it's just not fair. If I didn't have a season ticket I wouldn't be going.

As for next season I might not renew which is something I never thought I would even contemplate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 07, 2016, 02:22:12 PM
Think someone mentioned the stat yesterday that we haven't scored in the opening 15 minutes of a game all season (think we might be the only ones).
It does raise the question of are we 'at it' from the kick off ?
In any sport if you start slowly it's hard to move up through the gears. It must be better to try to dictate and impose yourselves on a game from the start ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 02:22:53 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 07, 2016, 02:19:10 PM
you would think that all players who don't get game time would be involved in u21 matches just to stay match fit and build confidence.
maybe they don't play to lessen the risk of injury.

If you thought like that you wouldnt play football at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 07, 2016, 02:26:08 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 02:22:53 PM
If you thought like that you wouldnt play football at all.
I know but cannot think of any other reason why players who don't get game time never play in the u21 matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 02:29:54 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 07, 2016, 02:26:08 PM
I know but cannot think of any other reason why players who don't get game time never play in the u21 matches.

Im shocked too mate.

The hunger to play football seems to non existant in the modern game.

People go on about how experienced Tony Pulis is, he should know that you cant get match fit without playing competitive games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 07, 2016, 02:30:34 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 02:03:27 PM
Not sure there is a playing style throuhgout the club as the u21's seem to be doing okay with James Shaan.

As for needing to bring players in, we do. How many of the sqaud we have are other clubs coveting ? one. How many of the squad we have did we beat other clubs to sign ? How many would have tried to sign Gardner, McClean, Anichebe etc etc ?

This squad is poor and that is down to recruitment folk that are no longer here and yes Pulis also has a share of it to take.

I agree, that the under 21 are doing well at the minute and the impact of TP has as head coach will not impact that far that quickly but as discussed elsewhere i) what youngsters does he give an opportunity to, ii) if our academy are trying to produce players that will eventually play in our first team, what kind of players would Pulis want them to be?

Some of the recruitment has, being generous, not been the best (I have said this since the days of Clarke) and it has hampered all subsequent coaches but again the players brought in tend to fit a "model" requirement. For example we were once looking for pacey attacking full backs and we brought in Gamboa and Pocognoli and then our coaches decided to convert centre halves into full backs. Does that mean Gamboa and Pocognoli are not good footballers or just don't play to the requirements of the current coach? You then have the arguement about not being coveted by other teams. Out of interest how do you know that they are not? The first we know about most of our signings are (generally) after they have taken medicals or actually agreed contracts. (First mention of Alex Pritchard on this forum 11.53 on January 31, ) Then, even if there is no interest, how much of that is down to how we utilise them? Taking on a player who has not played competitive football for a significant period comes with risk (see Ricky Lambert :D)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 07, 2016, 02:34:28 PM
Quote from: kie the baggie on February 07, 2016, 02:04:28 PM
1st time ever for me yesterday that I couldn't be arsed with us, went shopping with the missus and didn't check a single update through the afternoon, worrying thing for me though I thought I would miss it but I didn't. I don't want to feel like this has anyone else gone through a stage like this??  :(
no never, no matter where I am, weddings funerals holidays if the albion are playing I want to know how we are doing. its a drug and for 50 yrs I've been addicted although I don't attend anymore due to the football on offer and travelling from north wales.
but god do I miss it, they have been the most important part of my life, the kids and Mrs know it as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 07, 2016, 02:45:27 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 02:29:54 PM
Im shocked too mate.

The hunger to play football seems to non existant in the modern game.

People go on about how experienced Tony Pulis is, he should know that you cant get match fit without playing competitive games.
think money and maybe that's the answer, years ago players coming back from injury or pushing for a first team spot played in the reserves to maybe get a contract, now some players earn vast amounts of money without playing first team football and never turning out for the u21s. crazy.
just looking at a few of our players, how much have chester, McManaman been paid for a few matches a season. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 02:49:35 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 07, 2016, 02:30:34 PM
I agree, that the under 21 are doing well at the minute and the impact of TP has as head coach will not impact that far that quickly but as discussed elsewhere i) what youngsters does he give an opportunity to, ii) if our academy are trying to produce players that will eventually play in our first team, what kind of players would Pulis want them to be?

Some of the recruitment has, being generous, not been the best (I have said this since the days of Clarke) and it has hampered all subsequent coaches but again the players brought in tend to fit a "model" requirement. For example we were once looking for pacey attacking full backs and we brought in Gamboa and Pocognoli and then our coaches decided to convert centre halves into full backs. Does that mean Gamboa and Pocognoli are not good footballers or just don't play to the requirements of the current coach? You then have the arguement about not being coveted by other teams. Out of interest how do you know that they are not? The first we know about most of our signings are (generally) after they have taken medicals or actually agreed contracts. (First mention of Alex Pritchard on this forum 11.53 on January 31, ) Then, even if there is no interest, how much of that is down to how we utilise them? Taking on a player who has not played competitive football for a significant period comes with risk (see Ricky Lambert :D)

Problem is apart from Saido none of the coaches have seemed willing to give youth a chance. Izzy Brown got on the bench mainly to try and get him to sign a new deal. Given that i'm not sure what the point of an academy is to our or other clubs similar to us, decent prospects are poached by the elite few clubs for peanuts and we sell others on to seemingly cover the cost of running it.

The players we've brought in over the years don't seem to fit a particular model at all regardless of who brought them in, seemed to be a case of here's a player, do something with him.

Given how vocal agents and other clubs are in the press over players they are interested in, the lack of interest in ours speaks volumes. With the exception of Saido it seems we've had McMananman and Chester linked recently plus Pocognoli linked with Brighton and Vic linked with Derby and thats about it, oh and Gamboa linked with Everton how long ago now. The fact players like those are still here after hardly being used says how much interest there is in them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 07, 2016, 02:58:12 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 02:49:35 PM
Problem is apart from Saido none of the coaches have seemed willing to give youth a chance. Izzy Brown got on the bench mainly to try and get him to sign a new deal. Given that i'm not sure what the point of an academy is to our or other clubs similar to us, decent prospects are poached by the elite few clubs for peanuts and we sell others on to seemingly cover the cost of running it.

The players we've brought in over the years don't seem to fit a particular model at all regardless of who brought them in, seemed to be a case of here's a player, do something with him.

Given how vocal agents and other clubs are in the press over players they are interested in, the lack of interest in ours speaks volumes. With the exception of Saido it seems we've had McMananman and Chester linked recently plus Pocognoli linked with Brighton and Vic linked with Derby and thats about it, oh and Gamboa linked with Everton how long ago now. The fact players like those are still here after hardly being used says how much interest there is in them.

I'm not surprised the players you mention are not linked elsewhere to be honest, and I don't think it's because they lack the necessary quality.

In general players are linked elsewhere when they are playing well and on a regular basis.

It could be argued that the players Pulis favours every week are the ones other clubs would be interested in, the lack of interest in those said players says more to me than the likes of Gamboa and Pocognoli.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 07, 2016, 03:01:27 PM
Have a totally unbalanced squad. Have players who won't want to be there because of Pulis. He released Mulumbu last year I wouldn't be surprised to see him release Morrison and sessengon tbis year.

We play sterile football home and away. At home we try to grind results out and away we try not to lose or play damage limitation football.

We have brunt Morrison and Evans injured ad I believe Dawson Mcauley and Olsson are also struggling. This is down to the fact he plays them when they aren't fully fit and low and behold now they are unable to play. Risking players who aren't fully fit ecause he doesn't trust 33% of the squad.

He's pi$$ed the players of and the majority of the fans. I know WBA need a major rebuild and some stability, that's the only reason iv put up with this for so long. Pulis doesn't develop young players he doesn't have a 5 year plan and he only plays his favourites and he's happy to just pick up his pay cheque.

He has got to go. I'm not sure the dressing room is actually with him. And even if they are his unwillingness to play certain players and a offensive style of football is going to send us down.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 03:02:24 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 07, 2016, 02:30:34 PM
I agree, that the under 21 are doing well at the minute and the impact of TP has as head coach will not impact that far that quickly but as discussed elsewhere i) what youngsters does he give an opportunity to, ii) if our academy are trying to produce players that will eventually play in our first team, what kind of players would Pulis want them to be?

Some of the recruitment has, being generous, not been the best (I have said this since the days of Clarke) and it has hampered all subsequent coaches but again the players brought in tend to fit a "model" requirement. For example we were once looking for pacey attacking full backs and we brought in Gamboa and Pocognoli and then our coaches decided to convert centre halves into full backs. Does that mean Gamboa and Pocognoli are not good footballers or just don't play to the requirements of the current coach? You then have the arguement about not being coveted by other teams. Out of interest how do you know that they are not? The first we know about most of our signings are (generally) after they have taken medicals or actually agreed contracts. (First mention of Alex Pritchard on this forum 11.53 on January 31, ) Then, even if there is no interest, how much of that is down to how we utilise them? Taking on a player who has not played competitive football for a significant period comes with risk (see Ricky Lambert :D)

I think there is an issue with our flops and it is this we might be towards the bottom of the Premier League food chain when it come to signings but financially that is still way ahead of  clubs/leagues where our fringe players could otherwise be so there is a barrier to them moving on.  This has been a issue for other mid-table clubs and has played a significant role in the decline of Fulham, Wolves and Bolton.

The problem with Pulis signing established British based players it costs big wages and long contracts when he then discards them it really eats into the club's resources. Does anyone have any suggestions what we do with the 2nd year of Rickie Lambert's contract?  A loan to a Championship club perhaps so which Championship Club's will be happy to pick up his £30k a week? None so we pay half his wages but the Championship club if they have any sense won't take him on a season long deal he's back by Christmas so we pay him off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
Any player not playing eats into the club resources though. The signing of Vic has eaten into it too much since he's been here. Lambert has turned into a dud.

Where we are now as a club is not just down to Pulis, its down to poor recruitment in many areas of the club over the past few years which led us to actually needing someone like Pulis to come in and Peace being prepared to change the back room structure as it wasn't working anymore, the model needed changing somewhere and Peace went full whack and allowed change of the lot when maybe some of it just needed tweaking.

As a club over the past few years we have signed too many players that have not figured under various coaches/ managers, some have been expensive flops as well as the cheaper ones. Rosenberg, Anelka, Lambert etc etc all that adds to where we are now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 07, 2016, 02:58:12 PM
I'm not surprised the players you mention are not linked elsewhere to be honest, and I don't think it's because they lack the necessary quality.

In general players are linked elsewhere when they are playing well and on a regular basis.

It could be argued that the players Pulis favours every week are the ones other clubs would be interested in, the lack of interest in those said players says more to me than the likes of Gamboa and Pocognoli.

But surely in the days of top notch coaching if a player is not figuring for a club then someone at another club would think they can do something to get that player going again ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on February 07, 2016, 03:01:27 PM
Have a totally unbalanced squad. Have players who won't want to be there because of Pulis. He released Mulumbu last year I wouldn't be surprised to see him release Morrison and sessengon tbis year.

We play sterile football home and away. At home we try to grind results out and away we try not to lose or play damage limitation football.

We have brunt Morrison and Evans injured ad I believe Dawson Mcauley and Olsson are also struggling. This is down to the fact he plays them when they aren't fully fit and low and behold now they are unable to play. Risking players who aren't fully fit ecause he doesn't trust 33% of the squad.

He's pi$$ed the players of and the majority of the fans. I know WBA need a major rebuild and some stability, that's the only reason iv put up with this for so long. Pulis doesn't develop young players he doesn't have a 5 year plan and he only plays his favourites and he's happy to just pick up his pay cheque.

He has got to go. I'm not sure the dressing room is actually with him. And even if they are his unwillingness to play certain players and a offensive style of football is going to send us down.

Not being privy to contract discussions and having no knowledge of what players (or their representatives are asking) would you break the bank to keep Morrison and Sess ? or would you allow them to go and use those wages elsewhere ?

Personally I would try to keep both but it would depend on the wages they are asking
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 07, 2016, 03:19:47 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
Any player not playing eats into the club resources though. The signing of Vic has eaten into it too much since he's been here. Lambert has turned into a dud.

Where we are now as a club is not just down to Pulis, its down to poor recruitment in many areas of the club over the past few years which led us to actually needing someone like Pulis to come in and Peace being prepared to change the back room structure as it wasn't working anymore, the model needed changing somewhere and Peace went full whack and allowed change of the lot when maybe some of it just needed tweaking.

As a club over the past few years we have signed too many players that have not figured under various coaches/ managers, some have been expensive flops as well as the cheaper ones. Rosenberg, Anelka, Lambert etc etc all that adds to where we are now.

I'd argue Lambert was a dud when we signed him, he hasn't turned in to one.

The list of coaches before Pulis all had to report to a director of football, hence it is no suprise when they choose to not utilise players they may not rate.

As far as I am aware Pulis has had much more input when it comes to players signed, therefore he is more accountable for the likes of McManaman, Lambert, Chester and Gnarby.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 07, 2016, 03:23:05 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:16:54 PM
But surely in the days of top notch coaching if a player is not figuring for a club then someone at another club would think they can do something to get that player going again ?

Not in the premier league, clubs want and expect instant success.

I'd suggest more and more squad players will need to drop a level if they want to be playing regular, unfortunately my guess is that rather than take a pay cut they would rather sit on the bench every week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 03:23:40 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
Any player not playing eats into the club resources though. The signing of Vic has eaten into it too much since he's been here. Lambert has turned into a dud.

Where we are now as a club is not just down to Pulis, its down to poor recruitment in many areas of the club over the past few years which led us to actually needing someone like Pulis to come in and Peace being prepared to change the back room structure as it wasn't working anymore, the model needed changing somewhere and Peace went full whack and allowed change of the lot when maybe some of it just needed tweaking.

As a club over the past few years we have signed too many players that have not figured under various coaches/ managers, some have been expensive flops as well as the cheaper ones. Rosenberg, Anelka, Lambert etc etc all that adds to where we are now.

Pulis has added to thise mistakes though phil not corrected them.

He has spent the most money weve ever spent on a squad and more than half of them wouldnt get in any other premiership team. I think pulis has added to the problrm and we will be saying the new coach needs to sort out pulis mess so we can judge him. I would strongly argue we are weaker now than when he took over. The squad is all over the place on and off the pitch. I know for a fact the squad is not in harmony and a bust up occured during half time vs peterborough last week with TP and one of the big players in the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:24:19 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 07, 2016, 03:19:47 PM
I'd argue Lambert was a dud when we signed him, he hasn't turned in to one.

The list of coaches before Pulis all had to report to a director of football, hence it is no suprise when they choose to not utilise players they may not rate.

As far as I am aware Pulis has had much more input when it comes to players signed, therefore he is more accountable for the likes of McManaman, Lambert, Chester and Gnarby.

But they all reckon they had the final say on all their signings so they are just as guilty for not using them surely ?

Lambert for me was a decent signing, I know you disagree but I wasn't too disappointed when he came but am now. Hasn't worked at all.

The Gnabry one was strange and given Wenger has commented on him as well I think the player has too look at himself and ask did he do enough here ? Lets see how he gets on when he goes out on loan again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 07, 2016, 03:23:05 PM
Not in the premier league, clubs want and expect instant success.

I'd suggest more and more squad players will need to drop a level if they want to be playing regular, unfortunately my guess is that rather than take a pay cut they would rather sit on the bench every week.

Which says a lot about attitudes of players these days unfortunately. They get the same money whether playing or not, maybe contracts should be structured towards performance more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 07, 2016, 03:26:52 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:18:47 PM
Not being privy to contract discussions and having no knowledge of what players (or their representatives are asking) would you break the bank to keep Morrison and Sess ? or would you allow them to go and use those wages elsewhere ?

Personally I would try to keep both but it would depend on the wages they are asking

I'd try and keep them both as they still have much to offer, however the likes of Olsson, McCauley etc should be moved on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:27:17 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 03:23:40 PM
Pulis has added to thise mistakes though phil not corrected them.

He has spent the most koney weve ever spent on a squad and more than half of them wouldnt get in any other premiership team. I think pulis has added to the problrm and we will be saying the new coach needs to sort out pulis mess so we can judge him. I would strongly argue we are weaker now than when he took over. The squad is all over the place on and off the pitch. I know for a fact the squad is not in harmony and a bust up occured during half time vs peterborough last week with TP and one of the big players in the team.

I don't dispute he has added to them but the fact he is here shows how big some of them were.

I'm not sure we are weaker overall as I think he has added two players in Fletcher and Evans that have added a lot to this club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 07, 2016, 03:31:33 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:27:17 PM
I don't dispute he has added to them but the fact he is here shows how big some of them were.

I'm not sure we are weaker overall as I think he has added two players in Fletcher and Evans that have added a lot to this club.

Pulis deserves credit in signing both Evans and Fletcher, however in my opinion he does not utilise either to the best of their ability.

Evans is a very good centre half, he should never be moved to cover left back or central midfield positions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:27:17 PM
I don't dispute he has added to them but the fact he is here shows how big some of them were.

I'm not sure we are weaker overall as I think he has added two players in Fletcher and Evans that have added a lot to this club.

No doubt they have added quality. Playing Evans as left back was suicide and undone all the hardwork evans has put into the team.

The fans are turning, and our next 5 fixtures i dont know where any points will come from.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 07, 2016, 03:37:38 PM
Why did he get rid of Dorrans or Mulumbu?

Would much rather them in the team than Gardner say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on February 07, 2016, 03:37:38 PM
Why did he get rid of Dorrans or Mulumbu?

Would much rather them in the team than Gardner say.

Both of them served us well it was time to move on imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 07, 2016, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 03:39:50 PM
Both of them served us well it was time to move on imo.

Time to move onto what though?
What have we moved towards since they were sold?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on February 07, 2016, 03:37:38 PM
Why did he get rid of Dorrans or Mulumbu?

Would much rather them in the team than Gardner say.

I think Mulumbu looked as though he needed a change. Dorrans i'd have kept every day of the week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 07, 2016, 03:45:47 PM
the mail verdict.
there was a gulf in energy, ideas and ambition between the two teams.
sums up what I watched.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 07, 2016, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
I think Mulumbu looked as though he needed a change. Dorrans i'd have kept every day of the week.

Wasnt mulumbu just about refinding his form right before we sold him.

Cant remember exactly but that rings a bell. All subjective of course,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2016, 03:48:25 PM
Few points all from different posts so won't quote, firstly he hasn't lost the fans, a percentage of the away supporters yesterday turned but it was about 25-30% following a truly dismal performance.

Secondly the manager who signed pacy full back Gamboa to suit what we needed at the time kept picking Andre f*ckin' Wisdom in front of him, Gamboa is obviously not good enough for Premier League football.

Contract situation, I imagine we'll sort out Morrison and McAuley but say thanks and goodbye to Sessegnon and Olsson.

Dorrans and Mulumbu. Neither were good enough any more, had given us the best years (year in Dorrans case) of their careers and it was certainly time for them to move on (to freshen up the squad as everyone suggests needs to happen), the same will happen to Gardner at the end of next season if we can't find a mug to take him earlier.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 07, 2016, 03:53:29 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
I think Mulumbu looked as though he needed a change. Dorrans i'd have kept every day of the week.
but neither get regular spots at Norwich, always rated mulumbu but we had one good season from dorrans in the championship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on February 07, 2016, 03:54:44 PM
Our transfers in since the summer of 2013:-

Nicolas Anelka
Goran Popov    
Diego Lugano    
MatÄ›j Vydra    
Zoltán Gera
Scott Sinclair    
Morgan Amalfitano    
Lee Camp    
Stéphane Sessègnon    
Victor Anichebe
Andre Wisdom    
Silvestre Varela
Craig Gardner    
Joleon Lescott    
Chris Baird    
Sébastien Pocognoli    
Brown Ideye    
Jason Davidson    
Cristian Gamboa    
Giorgos Samaras    
Sebastián Blanco    
Callum McManaman
Darren Fletcher
James McClean    
James Chester    
Rickie Lambert
Salomón Rondón    
Jonny Evans    
Anders Lindegaard
Serge Gnabry
Alex Pritchard
Sandro

How many of these signings have improved the team? How many have been successful?

For me Evans is the only one categorically that has been a total success. McClean and Fletcher possibly because they were cheap may be considered decent transfers. Lescott had a decent season and we seemed to move him on at the right time too. Morgan Amalfitano did a decent job when he was here and Sessegnon is still a first team player. 3 years worth of transfers and I have 6 names and only 4 are still here. When we employ a transfer policy which to my mind is to sign established quality rather than young players with higher fees this is absolutely awful.

Unquestionable disasters include Lambert, Chester and McManaman and Anichebe because of fees spent. Less forgiving people may want Rondon added to the pile as well. At least Irvine had the good grace to sign inexpensive mistakes on the recruitment front.

Either our recruitment has been totally abysmal (which there is plenty of evidence for) or the managers have coached them poorly or not utilised them properly. For me it's a mixture of both these things. I'm not willing to accept that all these players are all useless. Many came with more than decent reputation's, (We got more out of Somen Tchoyi than we've had out of half these players) but yes our recruitment has be very, very poor and we've had no clear direction ever since Ashworth departed.

There's no way the direction we're heading under Pulis is sustainable from a recruitment perspective and can you really see him looking at low cost foreign alternatives? Hopefully we are still a premiership club in the summer and we can make a decent managerial appointment however  when you look at the most recent appointments you'd have to conclude we are going to be relegated in the next few seasons if not this season.  I'd rather that happens with us trying to play football than whatever we are doing now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 07, 2016, 03:58:41 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2016, 03:48:25 PM
Few points all from different posts so won't quote, firstly he hasn't lost the fans, a percentage of the away supporters yesterday turned but it was about 25-30% following a truly dismal performance.

Secondly the manager who signed pacy full back Gamboa to suit what we needed at the time kept picking Andre f*ckin' Wisdom in front of him, Gamboa is obviously not good enough for Premier League football.

Contract situation, I imagine we'll sort out Morrison and McAuley but say thanks and goodbye to Sessegnon and Olsson.

Dorrans and Mulumbu. Neither were good enough any more, had given us the best years (year in Dorrans case) of their careers and it was certainly time for them to move on (to freshen up the squad as everyone suggests needs to happen), the same will happen to Gardner at the end of next season if we can't find a mug to take him earlier.
Count me in the 25/30% then because he has well and truly lost me. I am ashamed to be associated with such a spineless coward. He is making a mockery of a proud and historic club, we are everything football shouldn't be.
Not only should he be out of our club, but out of football altogether, no kid should watch that and think that's what football is. The beautiful game? Not while dinosaurs like him are allowed to thrive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 07, 2016, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on February 07, 2016, 03:58:41 PM
Count me in the 25/30% then because he has well and truly lost me. I am ashamed to be associated with such a spineless coward. He is making a mockery of a proud and historic club, we are everything football shouldn't be.
Not only should he be out of our club, but out of football altogether, no kid should watch that and think that's what football is. The beautiful game? Not while dinosaurs like him are allowed to thrive.

Hear hear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 07, 2016, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2016, 03:48:25 PM

Secondly the manager who signed pacy full back Gamboa to suit what we needed at the time kept picking Andre f*ckin' Wisdom in front of him, Gamboa is obviously not good enough for Premier League football.


Pure conjecture and opinion, you might just want to put FACT behind to emphasise your point.

Irvine chose to play Wisdom ahead of him (tried to convert a centre half, clearly an idiot), under 21 captain, given his league debut by Roy Hodgson and signed on a long term contract by Liverpool and not rated by Jacko, so therefore anyone he is chosen ahead of can not be good enough for the Premier League. (Despite Irvine being clueless ::))

Pulis doesn't pick full backs. He also picks Lambert, Anichebe etc. ahead of Berahino does that make him not good enough for the Premier League?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2016, 04:31:54 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 07, 2016, 04:24:18 PM
Pure conjecture and opinion, you might just want to put FACT behind to emphasise your point.

Irvine chose to play Wisdom ahead of him (tried to convert a centre half, clearly an idiot), under 21 captain, given his league debut by Roy Hodgson and signed on a long term contract by Liverpool and not rated by Jacko, so therefore anyone he is chosen ahead of can not be good enough for the Premier League. (Despite Irvine being clueless ::))

Pulis doesn't pick full backs. He also picks Lambert, Anichebe etc. ahead of Berahino does that make him not good enough for the Premier League?

Wisdom has made 7 PL appearances for Norwich this season. Wisdom isn't a centre back, neither is Dawson for that matter. They're poor fullbacks having played there for most of their career. It's like saying Southampton tried converting goalkeeper Alan Shearer into a centre forward. Blatantly not the part of my post to dispute...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 07, 2016, 04:37:53 PM
Why have a go a Dawson he's much better right back than wisdom Reid or Jones and is a real goal threat on set pieces and will be a good centre back possibly alongside evans,both fairly young.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 07, 2016, 04:39:16 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2016, 04:31:54 PM
Wisdom has made 7 PL appearances for Norwich this season. Wisdom isn't a centre back, neither is Dawson for that matter. They're poor fullbacks having played there for most of their career. It's like saying Southampton tried converting goalkeeper Alan Shearer into a centre forward. Blatantly not the part of my post to dispute...

Dawson played centre half for Rochdale. Dont make things up to suit your arguement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 04:40:07 PM
With regard to recruitment we never replaced Ashworth properly and the model broke down in part because Clarke had more influence than even Roy did over recruitment which was the summer things started to go very badly wrong players bought in in spite of clear scouting reports to the contrary etc. Two changes of manager (and style) latter the following summer we are trying to fix the problems from the preceding year and move to er... God knows where because if there was a summer when we clearly weren't recruiting to any sort of plan that was it.

Enter Pulis and instantly half the squad is not fit for purpose as we undergo yet another change of style but at least he is in control and has one assumes a clear idea of what he wants. He is responsible  for recruiting a third of the names on the list. I fear while the plan is clearer the pool we are recruiting from is greatly diminished and restricted to what one man knows and feels comfortable with and that man is Tony Pulis.

We don't need to replace Pulis we need to replace Dan Ashworth start thinking longer term develop a sustainable approach to squad management get a coach in who works with the players improves them brings youngsters through. We are currently running hand to mouth with no clear direction and Pulis is as much as part of the problem as he is part of the solution.   

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 07, 2016, 04:40:53 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2016, 04:31:54 PM
Wisdom has made 7 PL appearances for Norwich this season. Wisdom isn't a centre back, neither is Dawson for that matter. They're poor fullbacks having played there for most of their career. It's like saying Southampton tried converting goalkeeper Alan Shearer into a centre forward. Blatantly not the part of my post to dispute...

Dawson is a centre half, certainly not a full back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 07, 2016, 04:44:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2016, 04:31:54 PM
Wisdom has made 7 PL appearances for Norwich this season. Wisdom isn't a centre back, neither is Dawson for that matter. They're poor fullbacks having played there for most of their career. It's like saying Southampton tried converting goalkeeper Alan Shearer into a centre forward. Blatantly not the part of my post to dispute...
Whether or not Wisdom is or isn't any good has no reflection on the ability of Gamboa, which was your point. A man you have described as clueless did this,  maybe you're right? ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on February 07, 2016, 04:45:02 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 04:40:07 PM
With regard to recruitment we never replaced Ashworth properly and the model broke down in part because Clarke had more influence than even Roy did over recruitment which was the summer things started to go very badly wrong players bought in in spite of clear scouting reports to the contrary etc. Two changes of manager (and style) latter the following summer we are trying to fix the problems from the preceding year and move to er... God knows where because if there was a summer when we clearly weren't recruiting to any sort of plan that was it.

Enter Pulis and instantly half the squad is not fit for purpose as we undergo yet another change of style but at least he is in control and has one assumes a clear idea of what he wants. He is responsible  for recruiting a third of the names on the list. I fear while the plan is clearer the pool we are recruiting from is greatly diminished and restricted to what one man knows and feels comfortable with and that man is Tony Pulis.

We don't need to replace Pulis we need to replace Dan Ashworth start thinking longer term develop a sustainable approach to squad management get a coach in who works with the players improves them brings youngsters through. We are currently running hand to mouth with no clear direction and Pulis is as much as part of the problem as he is part of the solution.

Do you have any hope that Peace will remove Pulis and appoint a director of football in the summer? It was a system he himself implemented and for the most part was very successful. Do you think he'll revert back to it or stick with Pulis until we're sold? If he is unable to sell us what then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 07, 2016, 05:14:32 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on February 07, 2016, 03:58:41 PM
Count me in the 25/30% then because he has well and truly lost me. I am ashamed to be associated with such a spineless coward. He is making a mockery of a proud and historic club, we are everything football shouldn't be.
Not only should he be out of our club, but out of football altogether, no kid should watch that and think that's what football is. The beautiful game? Not while dinosaurs like him are allowed to thrive.

Agree, yesterday was an insult as was the previous 2 away trips I went to in saints and Swansea, 300 quid plus spent not even seen a shot on target.

25 games in and that's enough for me for one season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 07, 2016, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 01:17:14 PM
The following from Michael Owen gives some insight into Pulis's methods and how the fringe players are worked during the week and I think it goes someway to explaining the way things look on the pitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLUuQaBkXcs&app=desktop
Thanks for posting that, it was interesting to watch. Assuming Pulis still goes about training sessions in the same way, imagine how demotivating it must be for those who aren't in the starting XI.

It's just another illustration that Pulis has a management, coaching and tactical style that's from another (prehistoric) epoch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on February 07, 2016, 04:45:02 PM
Do you have any hope that Peace will remove Pulis and appoint a director of football in the summer? It was a system he himself implemented and for the most part was very successful. Do you think he'll revert back to it or stick with Pulis until we're sold? If he is unable to sell us what then?

I don't think the sale is imminent last summer was the moment and it didn't happen I think with the Chinese economy tanking a lot of the Far Eastern money has dried up (yes I know they are going mad in the transfer market which is bizarre) plus an ongoing slump in oil prices also takes a lot of the other usual suspects out of the picture. So ultimately Peace is now back in for the medium term.

It would not surprise me if he reinstated the model after Pulis left but I am not sure he would sack Pulis to do it. The crunch with Pulis will come because results aren't good enough, the fans are rebelling and Pulis is burning money in the transfer market.  When could that happen? Your guess is as good as mine
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 07, 2016, 06:14:21 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2016, 03:48:25 PM
Few points all from different posts so won't quote, firstly he hasn't lost the fans, a percentage of the away supporters yesterday turned but it was about 25-30% following a truly dismal performance.

Secondly the manager who signed pacy full back Gamboa to suit what we needed at the time kept picking Andre f*ckin' Wisdom in front of him, Gamboa is obviously not good enough for Premier League football.

Contract situation, I imagine we'll sort out Morrison and McAuley but say thanks and goodbye to Sessegnon and Olsson.

Dorrans and Mulumbu. Neither were good enough any more, had given us the best years (year in Dorrans case) of their careers and it was certainly time for them to move on (to freshen up the squad as everyone suggests needs to happen), the same will happen to Gardner at the end of next season if we can't find a mug to take him earlier.
nobody knows what % of fans have turned against pulis, I've seen that many different polls all giving different results its pointless using any as an accurate gauge.
didn't the majority who voted on this sites poll want him to stay, yesterday there was one done on twitter that had 80% wanting him out.
all I know is I will always vote him out, each to their own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2016, 06:19:32 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 07, 2016, 06:14:21 PM
nobody knows what % of fans have turned against pulis, I've seen that many different polls all giving different results its pointless using any as an accurate gauge.
didn't the majority who voted on this sites poll want him to stay, yesterday there was one done on twitter that had 80% wanting him out.
all I know is I will always vote him out, each to their own.

The reaction in the ground yesterday has been cited as the fans turning against Pulis, as someone who was there I can tell you it was around 30% of the away support at most. I've not mentioned small online polls or armchair fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 07, 2016, 06:24:27 PM
Looking at the length of this thread, its fair to say he divides opinion ;) This is 282 pages in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on February 07, 2016, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 06:13:15 PM
I don't think the sale is imminent last summer was the moment and it didn't happen I think with the Chinese economy tanking a lot of the Far Eastern money has dried up (yes I know they are going mad in the transfer market which is bizarre) plus an ongoing slump in oil prices also takes a lot of the other usual suspects out of the picture. So ultimately Peace is now back in for the medium term.

It would not surprise me if he reinstated the model after Pulis left but I am not sure he would sack Pulis to do it. The crunch with Pulis will come because results aren't good enough, the fans are rebelling and Pulis is burning money in the transfer market.  When could that happen? Your guess is as good as mine

Yes Sky money is massive but surely something will have to give in terms of spending. Pulis has a habit of wasting large sums of money, even at his relatively short time with us he's wasted huge amounts, something Peace surely must see and will not want to continue. Pulis is always going to want more funds and I can see us restricting him to the point it's best for both parties to go our separate ways. It does seem Peace wanted to keep Berahino whereas Pulis wanted him gone so perhaps this process has already begun. Both Palace and Stoke have pushed on after Pulis departed them and we must do the same.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 07, 2016, 07:01:36 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on February 07, 2016, 06:35:41 PM
Yes Sky money is massive but surely something will have to give in terms of spending. Pulis has a habit of wasting large sums of money, even at his relatively short time with us he's wasted huge amounts, something Peace surely must see and will not want to continue. Pulis is always going to want more funds and I can see us restricting him to the point it's best for both parties to go our separate ways. It does seem Peace wanted to keep Berahino whereas Pulis wanted him gone so perhaps this process has already begun. Both Palace and Stoke have pushed on after Pulis departed them and we must do the same.
I don't think either stoke or palace have really moved on as much as some think since pulis left, palace wont finish much higher than under pulis , stoke have spent £45m since he left but haven't excelled.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on February 07, 2016, 07:07:41 PM
Through my work commitments I have a lot of contact with Albion supporters and I have yet to come across anyone from a spectrum of age ranges who is happy with the quality of our play . Even some of the most positive Albion people I know are calling us rubbish .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 07, 2016, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 06, 2016, 06:18:50 PM
Our fixture list is our own doing for failing to beat lower league opposition. The man is deluded.
Don't really take much interest in the fixture list, this time of season anyone can beat anyone as the big teams get distracted by Europe and mid table teams get complacent, if anything, the bottom teams are more difficult to play.

That said, we desperately need a change as we look like a relegated side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 07, 2016, 07:12:54 PM
TP should go, it's not a vendetta, pure and simple the football is woeful, we should be safer by now and it's clear their are rifts between him and the players / chairman.

Think about it, Saido gets fined for getting to training late apparently he's billy big boots,Tony doesn't go to training cause he's sorting out a 1m compo ..I'd be slightly annoyed if I was Saido and the other players .

Get Roy in now, steady at the back, fine on counter attack, he will command instant respect...and you know what , day in day out there is a striker that might want to get on a plane to France..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 07:17:36 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on February 07, 2016, 07:12:54 PM
TP should go, it's not a vendetta, pure and simple the football is woeful, we should be safer by now and it's clear their are rifts between him and the players / chairman.

Think about it, Saido gets fined for getting to training late apparently he's billy big boots,Tony doesn't go to training cause he's sorting out a 1m compo ..I'd be slightly annoyed if I was Saido and the other players .

Get Roy in now, steady at the back, fine on counter attack, he will command instant respect...and you know what , day in day out there is a striker that might want to get on a plane to France..

Don't agree, its one of those things where a date is set and you have to attend I would think. If you turn up late for work you get fined simples. Do you allow your staff to get away with it ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 07, 2016, 07:20:46 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 07:17:36 PM
Don't agree, its one of those things where a date is set and you have to attend I would think. If you turn up late for work you get fined simples. Do you allow your staff to get away with it ?
If I was off sorting out a very nice payoff from previous employers , I'd think twice about deducting someone's salary for timekeeping.
RDM was practically fired for it and whilst I get there were differing reasons the 21/22 year olds might not be able to grasp the actual point?
At the moment his focus should be fully with us, his current employer, regardless of dates it doesn't look good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 07:24:23 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on February 07, 2016, 06:35:41 PM
Yes Sky money is massive but surely something will have to give in terms of spending. Pulis has a habit of wasting large sums of money, even at his relatively short time with us he's wasted huge amounts, something Peace surely must see and will not want to continue. Pulis is always going to want more funds and I can see us restricting him to the point it's best for both parties to go our separate ways. It does seem Peace wanted to keep Berahino whereas Pulis wanted him gone so perhaps this process has already begun. Both Palace and Stoke have pushed on after Pulis departed them and we must do the same.


Peace wants to survive this season come hell or high water because even if we get relegated next year our parachute payments are based on the new contract. So the first consideration today is does sacking Pulis make it more or less likely that we will survive? As soon as the answer to that question is more likely in Peace's mind Pulis is gone.

If I read the situation correctly I think we are someway off from Peace thinking Pulis is going to take us down and we are fast approaching the point where appointing a new coach for the what would be left of the season would be nearly pointless anyway.

If Pulis takes us down he's gone. Equally if he cruises to a relatively comfortable finish without ever getting into the relegation scrap then Teflon Tony rides again.  If he limps over the line other factors then start to come into play, for instance fan dissatisfaction particularly if backed up with low levels of season ticket renewals and sales. Add in any simmering tension on the vexed issue of transfers and Peace could easily pull the plug on Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 07, 2016, 07:27:24 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on February 07, 2016, 07:20:46 PM
If I was off sorting out a very nice payoff from previous employers , I'd think twice about deducting someone's salary for timekeeping.
RDM was practically fired for it and whilst I get there were differing reasons the 21/22 year olds might not be able to grasp the actual point?
At the moment his focus should be fully with us, his current employer, regardless of dates it doesn't look good.

Crystal Palace were the ones who started preceedings I dont think he had much choice but to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 07:27:43 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on February 07, 2016, 07:20:46 PM
If I was off sorting out a very nice payoff from previous employers , I'd think twice about deducting someone's salary for timekeeping.
RDM was practically fired for it and whilst I get there were differing reasons the 21/22 year olds might not be able to grasp the actual point?
At the moment his focus should be fully with us, his current employer, regardless of dates it doesn't look good.

and you could also argue that in other jobs persistent poor timekeeping is a sackable offence.

As I said dates are set for things like this, the club will have been aware of it, not as though he phoned in on the morning and said "sorry, won't be in today, got some business to sort"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on February 07, 2016, 07:42:29 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 07, 2016, 07:24:23 PM
Peace wants to survive this season come hell or high water because even if we get relegated next year our parachute payments are based on the new contract. So the first consideration today is does sacking Pulis make it more or less likely that we will survive? As soon as the answer to that question is more likely in Peace's mind Pulis is gone.

If I read the situation correctly I think we are someway off from Peace thinking Pulis is going to take us down and we are fast approaching the point where appointing a new coach for the what would be left of the season would be nearly pointless anyway.

If Pulis takes us down he's gone. Equally if he cruises to a relatively comfortable finish without ever getting into the relegation scrap then Teflon Tony rides again.  If he limps over the line other factors then start to come into play, for instance fan dissatisfaction particularly if backed up with low levels of season ticket renewals and sales. Add in any simmering tension on the vexed issue of transfers and Peace could easily pull the plug on Pulis.

So really we're hoping that we survive by the skin of our teeth and there's a mutiny amongst the fans? Well at least I can see both those scenarios unfolding; one perhaps has already begun. This year was the first year in around a decade I did not get a season ticket and it's perhaps the most consoling thing about this season. What I've watched on streams could be used as a form of torture in Guantanamo Bay.

Failing the above scenario I guess the hope is we somehow manage to get a new owner through the door in the summer, which is perhaps less likely.

I've been more than willing to give TP a chance I saw him as a necessary evil to keep us up and I deluded myself into thinking it may not be that bad based on what happened during his time at Palace. I'm resolved now in my belief he must go in the summer. The man is a cancer to football.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 07, 2016, 07:57:53 PM
If we do go down with Pulis (Big IF) there would be a good chance he will never get employed by another Prem team.
It is in his interest to adapt and not to be so intransigent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 07, 2016, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 07, 2016, 07:57:53 PM
If we do go down with Pulis (Big IF) there would be a good chance he will never get employed by another Prem team.
It is in his interest to adapt and not to be so intransigent.

If I thought that would happen to me, my fall-back position would be to use a familiar method, that I know works, (Intransigent or not)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 07, 2016, 09:33:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2016, 06:19:32 PM
The reaction in the ground yesterday has been cited as the fans turning against Pulis, as someone who was there I can tell you it was around 30% of the away support at most. I've not mentioned small online polls or armchair fans.
Don't know about this 30% stuff but when fans sing 'get out of our club' on mass I think its fair to assume they've turned and I'm glad they have.  Pulis out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on February 07, 2016, 10:02:26 PM
lose the next three and I think fans will be chanting pulis out at the palace home game,i will be
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 07, 2016, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on February 07, 2016, 07:12:54 PM
TP should go, it's not a vendetta, pure and simple the football is woeful, we should be safer by now and it's clear their are rifts between him and the players / chairman.

Think about it, Saido gets fined for getting to training late apparently he's billy big boots,Tony doesn't go to training cause he's sorting out a 1m compo ..I'd be slightly annoyed if I was Saido and the other players .

Get Roy in now, steady at the back, fine on counter attack, he will command instant respect...and you know what , day in day out there is a striker that might want to get on a plane to France..

Roy who? Even Roy of the Rovers wouldn't improve our play we are short on quality in midfield and attack
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on February 07, 2016, 10:41:43 PM
I agree that if we go down I think that will be the end for Pulis in the premier league. He's regarded as a one trick pony and if we go down, he'll be regarded to have lost his one trick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 07, 2016, 10:42:07 PM
Jeremy Peace last summer "we will not be in this mess again, we got complacent and we can't let that happen"
Tony Pulis "The club has been standing still and has got complacent, we have to move things forward"

The question is how do we move things forward? We are in a similar position to last year, the manager hasn't been that well backed for a squad overhaul no matter what people say, 7 of the 11 who started on Saturday have been here for a while. I just think we have no long term vision and we are in this mess because we hired a firefighter to get us out of the mess.
The football is awful at times but its not all pulis fault and he has only been here for a year. Somehow we have points to put us in 14th and we are still in the cup.
Who would come honestly come in? Pepe Mel and Irvine came because we couldnt get anyone else. The major bonus of hiring Pulis was that it might have changed the structure which is what we needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saml30 on February 07, 2016, 10:45:46 PM
How Pulis can defend himself I don't know, the stats that the birmingham mail have put up just shows why relegation is such a possibility, looking at them I don't know how we have seemed comfortable for long periods, everything points to a very poor team
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 07, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 07, 2016, 10:42:07 PM
Jeremy Peace last summer "we will not be in this mess again, we got complacent and we can't let that happen"
Tony Pulis "The club has been standing still and has got complacent, we have to move things forward"

The question is how do we move things forward? We are in a similar position to last year, the manager hasn't been that well backed for a squad overhaul no matter what people say, 7 of the 11 who started on Saturday have been here for a while. I just think we have no long term vision and we are in this mess because we hired a firefighter to get us out of the mess.
The football is awful at times but its not all pulis fault and he has only been here for a year. Somehow we have points to put us in 14th and we are still in the cup.
Who would come honestly come in? Pepe Mel and Irvine came because we couldnt get anyone else. The major bonus of hiring Pulis was that it might have changed the structure which is what we needed.

Perhaps the reason why we don't attract big names is that we are a small club and won't bankroll egotistical managers who only improve the teams they manage by spending big -ask yourself where were Chelsea and Man City befor the money?  I'll tell you both were yo yo clubs in the first division

Stoke set to be a prime example - spending big - no improvement. Newcastle spending big - little or no improvement.

Just who are the experienced managers out there who would stay for 3 or more years and develop the academy players?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 07, 2016, 11:01:01 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 07, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
Perhaps the reason why we don't attract big names is that we are a small club and won't bankroll egotistical managers who only improve the teams they manage by spending big -ask yourself where were Chelsea and Man City befor the money?  I'll tell you both were yo yo clubs in the first division

Stoke set to be a prime example - spending big - no improvement. Newcastle spending big - little or no improvement.

Just who are the experienced managers out there who would stay for 3 or more years and develop the academy players?
They don't have to stay 3 years to be good?
Roy was good for us and he was a pretty big name, if we look we can find.

Incidentally other topics have been locked for next manager speculation...why?, even the club state that they are always planning in advance, so why so bad for us to talk about it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 07, 2016, 11:15:20 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 07, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
Perhaps the reason why we don't attract big names is that we are a small club and won't bankroll egotistical managers who only improve the teams they manage by spending big -ask yourself where were Chelsea and Man City befor the money?  I'll tell you both were yo yo clubs in the first division

Stoke set to be a prime example - spending big - no improvement. Newcastle spending big - little or no improvement.

Just who are the experienced managers out there who would stay for 3 or more years and develop the academy players?
that's what's needed, some one who utilises the academy and can rely on players when called on in situations we find ourselves in now with the injuries to so many players, the academy through to the first team should ideally be playing a style that everyone gets familiar with. trouble is nowadays no manager will get the time to achieve this because sadly everything comes second to the money and staying in the greed league.
I think the academy is just a way of selling youngsters for a few hundred grand now and then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 07, 2016, 11:21:41 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 07, 2016, 10:42:07 PM
Jeremy Peace last summer "we will not be in this mess again, we got complacent and we can't let that happen"
Tony Pulis "The club has been standing still and has got complacent, we have to move things forward"

The question is how do we move things forward? We are in a similar position to last year, the manager hasn't been that well backed for a squad overhaul no matter what people say, 7 of the 11 who started on Saturday have been here for a while. I just think we have no long term vision and we are in this mess because we hired a firefighter to get us out of the mess.
The football is awful at times but its not all pulis fault and he has only been here for a year. Somehow we have points to put us in 14th and we are still in the cup.
Who would come honestly come in? Pepe Mel and Irvine came because we couldnt get anyone else. The major bonus of hiring Pulis was that it might have changed the structure which is what we needed.

Very good post, exactly how it is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 08, 2016, 12:03:18 AM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on February 07, 2016, 11:01:01 PM
They don't have to stay 3 years to be good?
Roy was good for us and he was a pretty big name, if we look we can find.

Incidentally other topics have been locked for next manager speculation...why?, even the club state that they are always planning in advance, so why so bad for us to talk about it?

The owner of this forum has stated he doesn't want speculation about future managers when we already have someone in place. It's not a decision from the mods or admin.

I personally find it disrespectful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 08, 2016, 12:52:17 AM
Quote from: MarkW on February 08, 2016, 12:03:18 AM
The owner of this forum has stated he doesn't want speculation about future managers when we already have someone in place. It's not a decision from the mods or admin.

I personally find it disrespectful.

There are times when I "get" that, but there are other times when I think it would be very healthy to discuss what sort of manager is the right one to succeed the current manager (whenever that might be).  After all, every current manager has a contract and therefore a contract termination date.

For example, I see no reason why it would be disrespectful to suggest that a structure of someone like Derek McInnes or Nigel Pearson as our next manager after TP, with Michael Appleton as his assistant with a special brief to bring Academy players through, and with a "senior advisor" figure such as Martin Jol for the manager/assistant manager to bounce ideas off, should not be aired as being a better structure going forward for the club than the current structure.  Whether TP leaves next week, in May 2016 or May 2017 is irrelevant.  He will leave and will need to be replaced, and finding replacement managers has not proved to be one of the club's strengths in recent years.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 08, 2016, 07:09:59 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 03:18:47 PM
Not being privy to contract discussions and having no knowledge of what players (or their representatives are asking) would you break the bank to keep Morrison and Sess ? or would you allow them to go and use those wages elsewhere ?

Personally I would try to keep both but it would depend on the wages they are asking

WBA have failed to improve from the likes of Morrison And brunt part of the reason for the predicament we are in. Can't see us getting rid of enough if the deadwood this summer to improve. I would keep both at least another year. No faith in Pulis to get better players than those 2
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 08, 2016, 08:17:34 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 08, 2016, 12:52:17 AM
There are times when I "get" that, but there are other times when I think it would be very healthy to discuss what sort of manager is the right one to succeed the current manager (whenever that might be).  After all, every current manager has a contract and therefore a contract termination date.

For example, I see no reason why it would be disrespectful to suggest that a structure of someone like Derek McInnes or Nigel Pearson as our next manager after TP, with Michael Appleton as his assistant with a special brief to bring Academy players through, and with a "senior advisor" figure such as Martin Jol for the manager/assistant manager to bounce ideas off, should not be aired as being a better structure going forward for the club than the current structure.  Whether TP leaves next week, in May 2016 or May 2017 is irrelevant.  He will leave and will need to be replaced, and finding replacement managers has not proved to be one of the club's strengths in recent years.



It's not really up for debate. As far as I can remember, TP is contracted until the end of next season, so until we're nearing the end of his contract, the current policy will remain in place
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 08:54:52 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 07, 2016, 09:33:42 PM
Don't know about this 30% stuff but when fans sing 'get out of our club' on mass I think its fair to assume they've turned and I'm glad they have.  Pulis out.

Point being I was also at Stoke for Irvine's judgment day and it was 80 to 90 % of the away support.

There were plenty at Newcastle telling the other to shut up, fights broke out because of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on February 08, 2016, 08:57:22 AM
What's so depressing is that after the way we played against Newcastle and Stoke at home and Chelsea away, he looked at the table and obviously went into "OK draws will do", pack the legendary Zone 14, etc etc.  Tony, if you try to win a game and you don't, it doesn't mean you will lose, you might get a draw anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 08, 2016, 09:01:38 AM
Personally, I think Pulis has lost the fans or the beginning of that 'process' has begun. I'm not saying he deserves to be sacked - I think he's done ok overall really. However, Pulis was (another) complex appointment for us considering his 'baggage' (Stoke days/ perceived style of football). He did a genuinely good job last year but the problem is many principled people at the Albion (in the club and fans) used to hold Pulis' Stoke as everything we didn't want to be, therefore at the first sign of trouble they were always going to turn on him.

The bigger picture is vital for us consolidate this year and then begin building a younger squad next year.

I just can't see Pulis doing anything other than the consolidation bit of the job at the moment?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 09:11:30 AM
To be honest, I think there's a good chunk of fans who he never had on board from the start.  Nothing he does can turn them around.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on February 08, 2016, 09:21:31 AM
Right, well I only joined Westbrom.com when I saw the negativity about the Pulis appointment, and I will confess that I have always been a supporter of TP. Last year he was required to save from certain relegation. However, I watched the game on a stream on Saturday, and being a STH I have also had the misfortune to watch the last three servings of complete dross at home. I am not going to go into what should and should not happen on the pitch. I do believe that we have a good squad, some of our play this season has been very good on rare occasions so I know they are capable.

However, this is now unacceptable to even watch. We just don't seem to have any structure and we look quite amateurish TBH. When you think about it we are not too dissimilar to Leicester; they defend well and hoof the ball up front for Mahrez and Vardy to latch onto. However, Leicester are exceptionally good at it and we are frankly rubbish. The ball through for the goal Newcastle scored on Saturday was the sort of pass we have been crying out for... so why can't we do something as simple as service our strikers? I am not actually sure the players are playing for him anymore either.

I am going to Thailand on Wednesday for 5 weeks on holiday. I normally offer my season ticket out to a couple of good friends who are fans. I have done this and and both have declined my offer. They cannot be bothered to go because of what how we are playing and who is in charge which says it all for me - last year they both wanted it. So it is staying locked away until I return. I can only hope that whilst I am away checking on results from afar that there is some sort of miracle and we have a change of fortune. For me the tide will really turn if we go out of the cup on Wednesday. There can be no excuses from TP for that. We should have comfortably won at home, we didn't. So we have to play an extra game in the middle of the week which is perfect build up for a tough game on Saturday.

Something is very wrong and I am seriously considering my season ticket options next year.           
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 08, 2016, 09:24:41 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 09:11:30 AM
To be honest, I think there's a good chunk of fans who he never had on board from the start.  Nothing he does can turn them around.
That's because to turn them around he would have to change and there's no sign that he ever will.
The fear when we employed him was that we would see Centre Halves at full back, a narrow defensive midfield with little ambition and a lone striker feeding off long balls and that is exactly what we have got!
He has had 3 windows, but has only consolidated this philosophy and has turned us into the scourge of the Premier League. Everyone outside of the club wants Pulis to fail (as did we when he was stinking up the place with Stoke) and, if we do go down, there will be a collective 'Good Riddance' from the football community of which we were once held in high regard.
It really is sickening how derided we are right now. This period will be a stain on our club, whether we stay up or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on February 08, 2016, 09:30:18 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on February 08, 2016, 09:24:41 AM
That's because to turn them around he would have to change and there's no sign that he ever will.
The fear when we employed him was that we would see Centre Halves at full back, a narrow defensive midfield with little ambition and a lone striker feeding off long balls and that is exactly what we have got!
He has had 3 windows, but has only consolidated this philosophy and has turned us into the scourge of the Premier League. Everyone outside of the club wants Pulis to fail (as did we when he was stinking up the place with Stoke) and, if we do go down, there will be a collective 'Good Riddance' from the football community of which we were once held in high regard.
It really is sickening how derided we are right now. This period will be a stain on our club, whether we stay up or not.

I think people expect us to stay up but wish we went down due to the style of football. At times, I have thought the way the national press have portrayed our style under Pulis to be unfair but more recently, it has been justified.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
It's now Monday morning and I remain as livid as I was on Saturday at around 2pm when I saw the teams announced.

I still cannot believe the team he picked for what was such an important game. A win there and we would have been well out of the relegation mire at this stage, 32 points and 8 clear of Newcastle. It makes it particularly galling when you saw the Newcastle team with a young winger playing at left back and Steven Taylor returning to the side after what seems like an eternity out of action.

When you have Pocognoli sat there, an international left back, and you pick Chester to play ahead of him, then switch Dawson from right back to left back to accomodate Chester, you have to think that the manager is clueless or stubborn to the point that he will gladly cut off his nose to spite his face just to ensure that Poco/Gamboa et al do not get picked.

Can someone honestly tell me that Dawson at right back and Poco at left back would have had a worse effect than what we went with? Chester was waltzed past time and time again. I am a Chester fan, in so far as I have yet to see him play in his actual position and our manager has destroyed his confidence to the point of wherever he plays him now, even if it is finally at centre back, he will look awful because he no longer has any self belief, Pulis has ruined his career.

To have gone with four central midfielder and four centre backs actually makes my blood boil. What the hell was the thinking behind it? Weather the hour long storm where we have 15% possession but hope the experience of GMac and Olsson keep a clean sheet throughout then bring on some attack minded players? As soon as we went 1-0 it was over, but you couldn't help but be resigned to the outcome at 2pm when the teams were announced.

I said in the poll a number of months back  when TP still had a great deal of support on here that we should keep him until the end of the season then get rid, but right now I would gladly accept his resignation as I can't watch any more of this dross.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 08, 2016, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 09:11:30 AM
To be honest, I think there's a good chunk of fans who he never had on board from the start.  Nothing he does can turn them around.

Judging by the posts on here I think there were a small minority who regard Pulis as the embodiment of everything they dislike in football and would never be won over. I think the bulk of fans were happy because he wasn't Irvine and some like myself who could see the logic of the appointment but had some pretty major reservations.

For my own part if I could see that my fears were unfounded I wouldn't dislike Pulis and I certainly was prepared to adopt a wait and see attitude certainly last season and to a degree into this. However all that this season has done is confirm my worse fears about this manager.

He came into this club with a lot of good will and the fact that he has lost a big slice of it in 12 months speaks volumes for his approach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 09:58:23 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 08, 2016, 09:51:56 AM
Judging by the posts on here I think there were a small minority who regard Pulis as the embodiment of everything they dislike in football and would never be won over. I think the bulk of fans were happy because he wasn't Irvine and some like myself who could see the logic of the appointment but had some pretty major reservations.

For my own part if I could see that my fears were unfounded I wouldn't dislike Pulis and I certainly was prepared to adopt a wait and see attitude certainly last season and to a degree into this. However all that this season has done is confirm my worse fears about this manager.

He came into this club with a lot of good will and the fact that he has lost a big slice of it in 12 months speaks volumes for his approach.

I must admit, I was all for his appointment with a hope that he would continue the Palace style of football with us, pace out wide etc. Sadly, it is clear that the Palace style was a case of him only having pacy wingers at the club and therefore having to adopt that style, if Palace had given him a summer transfer window I don't doubt he would have brought them down to the same level we are currently at and left players like Zaha and Bolasie on the bench accordingly, a'la Gnabry, McManaman etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 10:04:03 AM
McClean and Sess have both looked a better option than McManaman.  Gnabry just wasn't up it, you've only got to see Pulis' and Wenger's comments to realise that.

A quote from Pritchard regarding the Newcastle match...

"The gaffer told me to get on the ball, get forward and get positive."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 10:16:04 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 10:04:03 AM
McClean and Sess have both looked a better option than McManaman.  Gnabry just wasn't up it, you've only got to see Pulis' and Wenger's comments to realise that.

A quote from Pritchard regarding the Newcastle match...

"The gaffer told me to get on the ball, get forward and get positive."

Sess isn't a winger I'm afraid, has to play behind the striker or he is wasted.

We were 1-0 down in a must not lose game, there couldn't have been any other message from Pulis to Pritchard at that time, be more concerned with the starting XI he selected. You just keep boinging along...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 08, 2016, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 10:04:03 AM
McClean and Sess have both looked a better option than McManaman.  Gnabry just wasn't up it, you've only got to see Pulis' and Wenger's comments to realise that.

A quote from Pritchard regarding the Newcastle match...

"The gaffer told me to get on the ball, get forward and get positive."
That was at half time when we were already a goal down. The damage was done at 15:00.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 10:04:03 AM
McClean and Sess have both looked a better option than McManaman.  Gnabry just wasn't up it, you've only got to see Pulis' and Wenger's comments to realise that.

A quote from Pritchard regarding the Newcastle match...

"The gaffer told me to get on the ball, get forward and get positive."

Its ok saying it what about doing it.

It is not this kids fault, but he hasnt played in the premier league before and gets threw on in an unbalanced side. He is being hung out to dry by the manager just like the other players have been. The tactics and overall play is abysmal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on February 08, 2016, 10:50:10 AM
Got back from Newcastle last night, was heading to the game a big group of us... soon as we saw the team sheets at 2pm we completely forgot about the game and got on with drinking! sick to death of pulis, his bullsh*t, his negativity, his style of 'football' - if you can even call it football and his rubbish pre/post match interviews.

Im fed up of hearing his lies and excuses, after the game he said its probably the worse performance hes seen from us.. HE PLAYED THE GUYS OUT OF POSITION!

He's constantly saying this player and that players tired, yet he plays them every game still

Saido is the only guy who can find the net in our team, he leaves him on the bench. He says he aint upto speed,match fit, overweight and whatever else he says so instead of getting him involved and upto scratch... HE LEAVES HIM ON THE BENCH!

He has said newcastle had more going forward than we did... FRIGGING OBVIOUS WHEN YOU PICK A SLOW DEFENSIVE TEAM AGAINST A FAIRLY YOUNG PACEY TEAM WHOS DESPERATE FOR POINTS!!

although i have a season ticket, im not going to another game whilst this fool is in charge!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 10:54:20 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on February 08, 2016, 10:17:03 AM
That was at half time when we were already a goal down. The damage was done at 15:00.

But that doesn't make a difference, I've seen people say that Pritchard will have his attacking instincts drilled out of him by Pulis yet all the evidence so far shows that we've signed him to provide some impetus in our attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 10:16:04 AM
Sess isn't a winger I'm afraid, has to play behind the striker or he is wasted.

We were 1-0 down in a must not lose game, there couldn't have been any other message from Pulis to Pritchard at that time, be more concerned with the starting XI he selected. You just keep boinging along...

So that quote "doesn't count".  Gotcha.  I suppose the fans who say they can hear Pulis shouting at players to take them on and get forward, those quotes don't count either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 10:57:38 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 10:19:14 AM
Its ok saying it what about doing it.

It is not this kids fault, but he hasnt played in the premier league before and gets threw on in an unbalanced side. He is being hung out to dry by the manager just like the other players have been. The tactics and overall play is abysmal.

He hasn't been hung out to dry at all.  No-one is firing any criticism in his direction for Saturday's match.  Can you explain how Pulis has hung him out to dry?  I've not seen Pulis say anything negative about his performance.  So you're just making criticism up where there is none.

I thought, and I said at the time, Pritchard did well, he actually looked like he was trying to inject some energy into our play. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 08, 2016, 10:59:34 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on February 08, 2016, 10:50:10 AM
Got back from Newcastle last night, was heading to the game a big group of us... soon as we saw the team sheets at 2pm we completely forgot about the game and got on with drinking! sick to death of pulis, his bullsh*t, his negativity, his style of 'football' - if you can even call it football and his rubbish pre/post match interviews.

Im fed up of hearing his lies and excuses, after the game he said its probably the worse performance hes seen from us.. HE PLAYED THE GUYS OUT OF POSITION!

He's constantly saying this player and that players tired, yet he plays them every game still

Saido is the only guy who can find the net in our team, he leaves him on the bench. He says he aint upto speed,match fit, overweight and whatever else he says so instead of getting him involved and upto scratch... HE LEAVES HIM ON THE BENCH!

He has said newcastle had more going forward than we did... FRIGGING OBVIOUS WHEN YOU PICK A SLOW DEFENSIVE TEAM AGAINST A FAIRLY YOUNG PACEY TEAM WHOS DESPERATE FOR POINTS!!

although i have a season ticket, im not going to another game whilst this fool is in charge!

This is exactly what I don't get. He say that Berahino isn't quite fit yet starts Anchebe who'd hardly kicked a ball before Xmas. He's even started Lambert in recent weeks who looks completely shot. Even Rondon has looked knackered most weeks. Can Saido be any worse?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:00:10 AM
There is no way Pulis doesn't want them to play football or attack, Olsson for instance has never been able to pass the ball out of defence, neither has McAuley, we had 7 or 8 passes involving Pritchard, Yacob and then Fletcher who as per went back to McAuley, he played it across to Olsson and with an Albion player back in space 10 yards in front of him he just launched it through to the goalkeeper. What can Pulis do about that? The personnel aren't good enough.

Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 10:57:38 AM
He hasn't been hung out to dry at all.  No-one is firing any criticism in his direction for Saturday's match.  Can you explain how Pulis has hung him out to dry?  I've not seen Pulis say anything negative about his performance.  So you're just making criticism up where there is none.

I thought, and I said at the time, Pritchard did well, he actually looked like he was trying to inject some energy into our play. 

He constantly invents problems where there are none.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 11:01:29 AM
Regarding Berahino being any worse...

I don't think so, I'd like to see him from the start.  If you look at our forward 4, aside from Berahino who would you even say is a 10 goal a season striker?  I can see us needing 4 entire new strikers in the summer and I can't see Peace stumping up the funds for that.  No idea what we're going to do.

Our fan base seems split between those who think he should play and those who think he shouldn't even be on the bench. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:01:58 AM
I'm confused Boinging Along, where has any criticism been leveled at Pritchard? He has come out of the game as the one beacon of hope from all I can see.

I appreciate you're in the happy clapper won't criticise the head honcho at all costs group, but are you really telling me that Pulis through his team selection on Saturday alone was not painfully negative...and just pure wrong? Four centre backs, one of which has absolutely no confidence because of TP failing to play him in his actual position thus far in his Albion career. Gardner on the wing?

Ultimately if you are that adamant we will have to agree to disagree, but you are wrong for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 11:06:36 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:01:58 AM
I'm confused Boinging Along, where has any criticism been leveled at Pritchard? He has come out of the game as the one beacon of hope from all I can see.

I appreciate you're in the happy clapper won't criticise the head honcho at all costs group, but are you really telling me that Pulis through his team selection on Saturday alone was not painfully negative...and just pure wrong? Four centre backs, one of which has absolutely no confidence because of TP failing to play him in his actual position thus far in his Albion career. Gardner on the wing?

Ultimately if you are that adamant we will have to agree to disagree, but you are wrong for what it's worth.

I didn't say any criticism has been leveled at Pritchard, someone else said that Pulis has hung him out to dry.  I don't believe that's the case.   I've also seen fans say that Pulis will drum the attacking instincts out of Pritchard, again, with the quote from Pritchard himself, I don't believe that's the case.  That's the only evidence we have to go on but I know for some fans that won't be enough.

 I'm not a "happy clapper won't criticise the head honcho at all costs" so you can keep your little digs.  I'll criticise where I see fit and I'll try not to swing too far one way or the other.  I think some of the criticism Pulis is over the top.  It's as simple as that.  I've criticised the performance, the line up I don't think was that outrageous with the players suffering knocks like they've had.  The performance stunk though.

There were fans on here wanting Chester to start - so he did.  And now there's fans saying he shouldn't have started.  Who would you have played on the wing instead?  Looking at our squad I don't see many wingers there at all and with injuries we're woefully short of options.

You think Chester should play as CH?  See another conversation the other day. Who would you drop?  Evans? McAuley? Olsson?

"You're wrong", it's an opinion of mine so it's not wrong.  You can agree to disagree with that all you like.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 08, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:00:10 AM
There is no way Pulis doesn't want them to play football or attack, Olsson for instance has never been able to pass the ball out of defence, neither has McAuley, we had 7 or 8 passes involving Pritchard, Yacob and then Fletcher who as per went back to McAuley, he played it across to Olsson and with an Albion player back in space 10 yards in front of him he just launched it through to the goalkeeper. What can Pulis do about that? The personnel aren't good enough.

He constantly invents problems where there are none.

Do you not think they are instructed to do this though? I agree the personnel are not good enough but I've seen our better footballers doing it far too often. Take Brunt for example. I'm not a massive fan as you know but technically he is a decent footballer. I've lost count of the amount of times he's launched the ball aimlessly up field straight to an opposition player. I don't believe he'd be doing this of his own accord.

The aimless hoofs upfield from the centre halves are due to the lack of a midfielder dropping in to show. Is this tactical?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 08, 2016, 11:13:03 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:01:58 AM
I'm confused Boinging Along, where has any criticism been leveled at Pritchard? He has come out of the game as the one beacon of hope from all I can see.

I appreciate you're in the happy clapper won't criticise the head honcho at all costs group, but are you really telling me that Pulis through his team selection on Saturday alone was not painfully negative...and just pure wrong? Four centre backs, one of which has absolutely no confidence because of TP failing to play him in his actual position thus far in his Albion career. Gardner on the wing?

Ultimately if you are that adamant we will have to agree to disagree, but you are wrong for what it's worth.

Really don't get this about Chester being played out of position, as a pro worth £8million, surely he should be reasonably versatile?
Don't know if you remember Gonzalo Jara? We bought him as a centre half (similar stature to Chester), & he played defensive midfield, right back & centre half, & put in a decent shift in all 3 positions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:16:28 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 08, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
Do you not think they are instructed to do this though? I agree the personnel are not good enough but I've seen our better footballers doing it far too often. Take Brunt for example. I'm not a massive fan as you know but technically he is a decent footballer. I've lost count of the amount of times he's launched the ball aimlessly up field straight to an opposition player. I don't believe he'd be doing this of his own accord.

The aimless hoofs upfield from the centre halves are due to the lack of a midfielder dropping in to show. Is this tactical?

Brunt clips it down the line a lot, the type of ball into the channel that Rondon can thrive on, see the red card for John Terry as an example. Leicester strikers would love those type of balls from Brunt, the other defenders just wallop it up the middle.

Re the midfield, both Yacob and Fletcher are constantly available to receive the ball from the CB's, they are just ignored by these players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 11:17:11 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 08, 2016, 11:13:03 AM
Really don't get this about Chester being played out of position, as a pro worth £8million, surely he should be reasonably versatile?
Don't know if you remember Gonzalo Jara? We bought him as a centre half (similar stature to Chester), & he played defensive midfield, right back & centre half, & put in a decent shift in all 3 positions
I agree.  And previously he's played as part of a back 3 which isn't the too dissimilar to playing RB.  He doesn't look quite good enough at the moment, I certainly wouldn't drop one of Evans, Olsson or G-Mac to put him in the side.  Pulis should take some criticism for that purchase because we can't afford to spend £8m on someone who can't make the first team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on February 08, 2016, 11:17:36 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:00:10 AM
There is no way Pulis doesn't want them to play football or attack, Olsson for instance has never been able to pass the ball out of defence, neither has McAuley, we had 7 or 8 passes involving Pritchard, Yacob and then Fletcher who as per went back to McAuley, he played it across to Olsson and with an Albion player back in space 10 yards in front of him he just launched it through to the goalkeeper. What can Pulis do about that? The personnel aren't good enough.

He constantly invents problems where there are none.

All of this is disproved by his time at Stoke, the longer he spent there, the more defensive they became as he managed to shape the premier league squad that he wanted. He has absolutely no interest in attack, the first and only concern is keeping the opposition score to zero and then over a season you'll generally fluke enough games were you win off set pieces. This is his 3rd consecutive season of full management that he's set to have managed a team that scored less goals than games played. Only his issue here is the team has gone downhill defensively so he can't do that. Hence why we've gone even less attacking and thrown more defensive players into the team to try and stop that.

Certainly its curious how every single place Pulis goes they become the worst passing team in the league and his supporters will claim what can he do with the players. Then when he leaves those players magically become a lot better. You blame Olsson and McAuley for not being able to pass it out defence yet we were a perfectly good attacking force under Hodgson and Clarke with those two playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 08, 2016, 11:17:53 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:00:10 AM
There is no way Pulis doesn't want them to play football or attack, Olsson for instance has never been able to pass the ball out of defence, neither has McAuley, we had 7 or 8 passes involving Pritchard, Yacob and then Fletcher who as per went back to McAuley, he played it across to Olsson and with an Albion player back in space 10 yards in front of him he just launched it through to the goalkeeper. What can Pulis do about that? The personnel aren't good enough.

He constantly invents problems where there are none.
Olsson did that half a dozen times on Saturday, all Olsson and McAuley need to do is pass 10-15 yard to midfielders instead of just giving possession back.
this worked when you had odemwingies pace but anichibe was never going to keep chasing aimless punts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 08, 2016, 11:18:37 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:01:58 AM
I'm confused Boinging Along, where has any criticism been leveled at Pritchard? He has come out of the game as the one beacon of hope from all I can see.

I appreciate you're in the happy clapper won't criticise the head honcho at all costs group, but are you really telling me that Pulis through his team selection on Saturday alone was not painfully negative...and just pure wrong? Four centre backs, one of which has absolutely no confidence because of TP failing to play him in his actual position thus far in his Albion career. Gardner on the wing?

Ultimately if you are that adamant we will have to agree to disagree, but you are wrong for what it's worth.

Can you cut the happy clapper type stuff please, not wanted on here same as doom mongers etc, pointless comments
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 11:20:05 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 08, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
Do you not think they are instructed to do this though? I agree the personnel are not good enough but I've seen our better footballers doing it far too often. Take Brunt for example. I'm not a massive fan as you know but technically he is a decent footballer. I've lost count of the amount of times he's launched the ball aimlessly up field straight to an opposition player. I don't believe he'd be doing this of his own accord.

The aimless hoofs upfield from the centre halves are due to the lack of a midfielder dropping in to show. Is this tactical?

I think there's some truth to that.  It wouldn't surprise me if the plan is to get it up the pitch and give the midfield time to push on.  Trouble is, rather than hold the ball up, our defence may as well be hitting it against the back of squash court.

If we do give it to Yacob\Fletcher then we tend to be short of options even then because we don't have the pace to get forward or have anyone to carry it forward when Sess isn't playing.  So we end up trying to pass it around our 40 yard line.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 08, 2016, 11:23:06 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:16:28 AM
Brunt clips it down the line a lot, the type of ball into the channel that Rondon can thrive on, see the red card for John Terry as an example. Leicester strikers would love those type of balls from Brunt, the other defenders just wallop it up the middle.

Re the midfield, both Yacob and Fletcher are constantly available to receive the ball from the CB's, they are just ignored by these players.

I'm not so sure that they are. I played the DM position myself for years so it's always one I tend to look at more closely. I've seen numerous occasions where both Yacob and Fletcher are nowhere to be seen when our CH's are in possession. They have no option but to launch one forward. I remember when Mulumbu played, he used to go and take it off the toes of the CH's and try and get play started. I'd hope with a 'footballer' like Sandro in there then he will try and do the same thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 08, 2016, 11:27:21 AM
Pulis' excuses are basically wearing thin. Tiredness, injuries, players out of position, lack of shots on goal or very few chances created, poor possession, attack minded players regularly left out for defensive ones...............even the moderate of us (I'm still around the middle I think) are beginning to think he needs to wake up and smell the coffee, change or we rearrange!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:28:57 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 11:06:36 AM
I didn't say any criticism has been leveled at Pritchard, someone else said that Pulis has hung him out to dry.  I don't believe that's the case.   I've also seen fans say that Pulis will drum the attacking instincts out of Pritchard, again, with the quote from Pritchard himself, I don't believe that's the case.  That's the only evidence we have to go on but I know for some fans that won't be enough.

 I'm not a "happy clapper won't criticise the head honcho at all costs" so you can keep your little digs.  I'll criticise where I see fit and I'll try not to swing too far one way or the other.  I think some of the criticism Pulis is over the top.  It's as simple as that.  I've criticised the performance, the line up I don't think was that outrageous with the players suffering knocks like they've had.  The performance stunk though.

There were fans on here wanting Chester to start - so he did.  And now there's fans saying he shouldn't have started.  Who would you have played on the wing instead?  Looking at our squad I don't see many wingers there at all and with injuries we're woefully short of options.

You think Chester should play as CH?  See another conversation the other day. Who would you drop?  Evans? McAuley? Olsson?

"You're wrong", it's an opinion of mine so it's not wrong.  You can agree to disagree with that all you like.

I don't for a second think he should start and didn't say he should, but if he ever does start, it has to be at CH as opposed to right back or left back.

I guess I still follow the crazy notion of playing players in their rightful positions. I would have picked McAuley and Olsson at centre back on Saturday, but would have kept Dawson at right back and picked a Belgian international left back at left back, call me crazy.

As for the wing issue, from the players available you would have had to have picked Sess there, anyone but Gardner, but the issue really boils down to our failure to address the glaring lack of width for a number of transfer windows now. TP signs Chester for £8m which was a complete waste of money that should have been used elsewhere, Rondon has looked anything but a £12m striker and he signed off on both with Chester confirming that Pulis brought him in to play at right back for Christ's sake. Negligent doesn't come close to describing that call.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 11:30:03 AM
I think we need to change things as we certainly seem stuck in a rut.  I don't think that extends to changing the manager, at least not this season.  Our poor form has coincided with an increase in fixtures and injuries though but even that can't explain just how poor some of our performances have been.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 11:31:35 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 10:57:38 AM
He hasn't been hung out to dry at all.  No-one is firing any criticism in his direction for Saturday's match.  Can you explain how Pulis has hung him out to dry?  I've not seen Pulis say anything negative about his performance.  So you're just making criticism up where there is none.

I thought, and I said at the time, Pritchard did well, he actually looked like he was trying to inject some energy into our play.

Hes hung him out to dry by bringing him to the club. Pulis does not nurture talent he hinders it. He has bought this good player to the club and will leave him on the bench in favour of Gardner.

WBA is not a club for footballers.

Im shocked that people like boinging_along & Jacko still try to defend the performances of the past 5/6 weeks. Id love to sit next to them in the ground, and i could bet my house they are not so vocal. The next home game will be the time when patience will run out, and i cant wait.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:34:02 AM
Quote from: Dan on February 08, 2016, 11:17:36 AM
All of this is disproved by his time at Stoke, the longer he spent there, the more defensive they became as he managed to shape the premier league squad that he wanted. He has absolutely no interest in attack, the first and only concern is keeping the opposition score to zero and then over a season you'll generally fluke enough games were you win off set pieces. This is his 3rd consecutive season of full management that he's set to have managed a team that scored less goals than games played. Only his issue here is the team has gone downhill defensively so he can't do that. Hence why we've gone even less attacking and thrown more defensive players into the team to try and stop that.

Certainly its curious how every single place Pulis goes they become the worst passing team in the league and his supporters will claim what can he do with the players. Then when he leaves those players magically become a lot better. You blame Olsson and McAuley for not being able to pass it out defence yet we were a perfectly good attacking force under Hodgson and Clarke with those two playing.

I'm not interested about his time at Stoke any more than his time at Palace, I've watched this team, these players evolve week in week out in person since Mowbray was here, those defenders still weren't good enough on the ball under Hodgson who played a similar style, but a player like Gera, Odemwingie, later on Lukaku they will thrive in any set-up. Fortune was very good at holding up the ball, even Long as limited as he is had pace in behind. Rondon is a top class striker, but he's a finisher, look at Chicharito, if he played for us he'd never score. These types of players need chances created for them. Hodgson could also draw on Mulumbu, who in his pomp was a superb Premier League midfielder, think Kante now.

Someone posted all our transfers since 2013 it's abysmal, this team has got steadily worse since Hodgson left, it speaks volumes that aside from Evans and Foster, Morrison and Brunt are still our best players, they weren't in the Hodgson team, they were good players in a good team, now they're the best we've got.

You cannot possibly look at our squad and think it should be any better than 14th place especially with injuries to the 3 best outfield players.

If Martinez or Rodgers was our manager with this group of players we'd be holding hands with Villa. No doubt.

Addendum: I'm tired of this Belgian international stuff being trotted out, the guy has made 13 appearances in 8 seasons. He doesn't rate him, he doesn't trust him, get over it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 08, 2016, 11:13:03 AM
Really don't get this about Chester being played out of position, as a pro worth £8million, surely he should be reasonably versatile?
Don't know if you remember Gonzalo Jara? We bought him as a centre half (similar stature to Chester), & he played defensive midfield, right back & centre half, & put in a decent shift in all 3 positions

I disagree. You don't buy a washing machine and expect it to be able to operate as an oven just because it operates in the same vicinity in the house.

If you have trained all your career to play in one position, you are naturally in tune to playing in that position. I personally don't think, from what I have seen from him thus far, that Chester is a Premier League centre back, but he sure as hell is not capable of playing right back or left back in the Premier League but TP continues to use him there for reasons I am unable to fathom.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:37:04 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:34:02 AM
He doesn't rate him, he doesn't trust him, get over it.

Is this surely not the whole point of the argument? The criticism is of the manager who has decided that it would be better to play Dawson, a centre back who has been playing out of position at right back, at left back just because he is not a fan of Poco.

Use the best tools at your disposal is all that can be asked and I am fairly certain Poco in at left back on Saturday could not have been any worse than what TP went for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 11:38:58 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:28:57 AM
I don't for a second think he should start and didn't say he should, but if he ever does start, it has to be at CH as opposed to right back or left back.

I guess I still follow the crazy notion of playing players in their rightful positions. I would have picked McAuley and Olsson at centre back on Saturday, but would have kept Dawson at right back and picked a Belgian international left back at left back, call me crazy.

As for the wing issue, from the players available you would have had to have picked Sess there, anyone but Gardner, but the issue really boils down to our failure to address the glaring lack of width for a number of transfer windows now. TP signs Chester for £8m which was a complete waste of money that should have been used elsewhere, Rondon has looked anything but a £12m striker and he signed off on both with Chester confirming that Pulis brought him in to play at right back for Christ's sake. Negligent doesn't come close to describing that call.

There's definitely a valid argument for starting with Pog.  He hasn't looked that great when he has started in the past but I don't think I'd have complained if he had started.  I'd add though, that there's fans on here who insisted that Chester should start so Pulis would have copped flack which ever back 4 he went for.  Sess had taken a knock so wasn't fit enough to start, so who was left? 

So on one hand you think Chester should play at CH, on the other you think he's a complete waste of money.  But if you think he shouldn't replace Olsson, Evans, or G-Mac then he wouldn't get much game time under you either.  Our issue is that those 3 are decent, but if we suffer injuries or poor form we look a bit short there so having an OK CH to come in if needed but one we can utilise at RB isn't that bad. 

I think Pulis should take some criticism for Chester, as I said, £8m should get us someone in the first team, but Rondon was tipped as a good signing at the start of the season and £12m isn't that bad for a striker with his record and you can't complain about Pulis not playing him.  So yeah, not great, (I note you don't include Evans), but not as terrible as some are making out. 

What troubles me is people use it as a massive stick to beat him with.  His record is no worse than other managers in the transfer department, Ideye anyone?  But I don't remember fans ranting about not trusting our other managers with money.  Pulis certainly needs to do better in the transfer market, we all agree, it's just not as bad as some are making out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:41:18 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:34:33 AM
I disagree. You don't buy a washing machine and expect it to be able to operate as an oven just because it operates in the same vicinity in the house.

If you have trained all your career to play in one position, you are naturally in tune to playing in that position. I personally don't think, from what I have seen from him thus far, that Chester is a Premier League centre back, but he sure as hell is not capable of playing right back or left back in the Premier League but TP continues to use him there for reasons I am unable to fathom.

There is an element that Chester perhaps deserves a chance in the team in the position Pulis signed him to play, especially when we get injuries (that position is right back).

Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:37:04 AM
Is this surely not the whole point of the argument? The criticism is of the manager who has decided that it would be better to play Dawson, a centre back who has been playing out of position at right back, at left back just because he is not a fan of Poco.

Use the best tools at your disposal is all that can be asked and I am fairly certain Poco in at left back on Saturday could not have been any worse than what TP went for.

I do think he'd have done worse than Dawson, he'd have been caught up field and constantly out of position except instead of it being a League one player getting behind him it would have been Andros Townsend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 11:42:14 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 11:31:35 AM
Hes hung him out to dry by bringing him to the club. Pulis does not nurture talent he hinders it. He has bought this good player to the club and will leave him on the bench in favour of Gardner.

WBA is not a club for footballers.

Im shocked that people like boinging_along & Jacko still try to defend the performances of the past 5/6 weeks. Id love to sit next to them in the ground, and i could bet my house they are not so vocal. The next home game will be the time when patience will run out, and i cant wait.

Nobody is defending the performances, you're just making stuff up again.  And you're making stuff up regarding Pulis' motiviations on bringing in Pritchard.  And now having a pop because I might not be vocal despite not knowing anything about me.

Why are you fabricating straw man arguments? 

You can't wait for patience to run out?  Go you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on February 08, 2016, 11:48:15 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:34:02 AM
I'm not interested about his time at Stoke any more than his time at Palace, I've watched this team, these players evolve week in week out in person since Mowbray was here, those defenders still weren't good enough on the ball under Hodgson who played a similar style, but a player like Gera, Odemwingie, later on Lukaku they will thrive in any set-up. Fortune was very good at holding up the ball, even Long as limited as he is had pace in behind. Rondon is a top class striker, but he's a finisher, look at Chicharito, if he played for us he'd never score. These types of players need chances created for them. Hodgson could also draw on Mulumbu, who in his pomp was a superb Premier League midfielder, think Kante now.

Someone posted all our transfers since 2013 it's abysmal, this team has got steadily worse since Hodgson left, it speaks volumes that aside from Evans and Foster, Morrison and Brunt are still our best players, they weren't in the Hodgson team, they were good players in a good team, now they're the best we've got.

You cannot possibly look at our squad and think it should be any better than 14th place especially with injuries to the 3 best outfield players.

If Martinez or Rodgers was our manager with this group of players we'd be holding hands with Villa. No doubt.

Addendum: I'm tired of this Belgian international stuff being trotted out, the guy has made 13 appearances in 8 seasons. He doesn't rate him, he doesn't trust him, get over it.

I don't really see why having spent far more than any other manager in history, the poor quality of our squad is a plus point for Pulis who has near total control over transfers and yet has wasted almost all his money. Maybe the team would look somewhat better if he'd bought a central midfielder of quality with the 8m he spent on Chester who he only ever planned to play full back. Rondon is most certainly not a finisher, he might not be as bad as he looks in a Pulis system, but finishing certainly isn't his forte. Again you have to question why he bought him given his plans for him.

The thing with Pulis is pretty much irregardless of how good or bad his squad is, they'll always pretty much look the same. We could have Villa's squad or Leicester's and we'd still be pretty much were we are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 08, 2016, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 11:31:35 AM
Hes hung him out to dry by bringing him to the club. Pulis does not nurture talent he hinders it. He has bought this good player to the club and will leave him on the bench in favour of Gardner.

WBA is not a club for footballers.

I wholeheartedly agree, one of the main issues in our team is that we have too many players in the starting XI who are much better without the ball than with the ball, and that’s not meant as an insult, it’s true.  We have plenty who can nullify threats, negate dangers, hold and be disciplined in their shape and work hard in the process but not enough who can carry the ball and can use it imaginatively.  As we all know Pulis places endeavour over skill.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 08, 2016, 11:50:52 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 11:31:35 AM
Hes hung him out to dry by bringing him to the club. Pulis does not nurture talent he hinders it. He has bought this good player to the club and will leave him on the bench in favour of Gardner.

WBA is not a club for footballers.

Im shocked that people like boinging_along & Jacko still try to defend the performances of the past 5/6 weeks. Id love to sit next to them in the ground, and i could bet my house they are not so vocal. The next home game will be the time when patience will run out, and i cant wait.
Jacko i know for sure would be vocal , he sung for Odemwingie after QPRgate on his own near enough....fair play. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 11:38:58 AM
There's definitely a valid argument for starting with Pog.  He hasn't looked that great when he has started in the past but I don't think I'd have complained if he had started.  I'd add though, that there's fans on here who insisted that Chester should start so Pulis would have copped flack which ever back 4 he went for.  Sess had taken a knock so wasn't fit enough to start, so who was left? 

So on one hand you think Chester should play at CH, on the other you think he's a complete waste of money.  But if you think he shouldn't replace Olsson, Evans, or G-Mac then he wouldn't get much game time under you either.  Our issue is that those 3 are decent, but if we suffer injuries or poor form we look a bit short there so having an OK CH to come in if needed but one we can utilise at RB isn't that bad. 

I think Pulis should take some criticism for Chester, as I said, £8m should get us someone in the first team, but Rondon was tipped as a good signing at the start of the season and £12m isn't that bad for a striker with his record and you can't complain about Pulis not playing him.  So yeah, not great, (I note you don't include Evans), but not as terrible as some are making out. 

What troubles me is people use it as a massive stick to beat him with.  His record is no worse than other managers in the transfer department, Ideye anyone?  But I don't remember fans ranting about not trusting our other managers with money.  Pulis certainly needs to do better in the transfer market, we all agree, it's just not as bad as some are making out.

You keep saying that I think Chester should play at centre half when that is not what I am saying ion the slightest, you can't just make things up now...

My point is that I would have Chester nowhere near the starting line up, but if you ever do pick Chester, he has to play at centre back as opposed to him coming in at right back or left back. Is that sinking in? For the record, with all fit and available, I would play Evans, McAuley, Olsson and Dawson ahead of Chester.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
Quote from: Dexy on February 08, 2016, 11:50:52 AM
Jacko i know for sure would be vocal , he sung for Odemwingie after QPRgate on his own near enough....fair play. :D

Not sure that is to be commended, but it does say a lot about the Jacko I guess...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 08, 2016, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 11:31:35 AM
Hes hung him out to dry by bringing him to the club. Pulis does not nurture talent he hinders it. He has bought this good player to the club and will leave him on the bench in favour of Gardner.

WBA is not a club for footballers.

Im shocked that people like boinging_along & Jacko still try to defend the performances of the past 5/6 weeks. Id love to sit next to them in the ground, and i could bet my house they are not so vocal. The next home game will be the time when patience will run out, and i cant wait.

This sounds great and dramatic but isn't true. He hinders all players just isn't a fair comment. He develops some and some struggle like most managers.
How can you say he has hung him out to dry. He has been injured for months before coming and has been here for 2 games of which he has played a half on Saturday. This makes no sense, at the end of the season would be the time to make that comment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 08, 2016, 11:49:42 AM
I wholeheartedly agree, one of the main issues in our team is that we have too many players in the starting XI who are much better without the ball than with the ball, and that’s not meant as an insult, it’s true.  We have plenty who can nullify threats, negate dangers, hold and be disciplined in their shape and work hard in the process but not enough who can carry the ball and can use it imaginatively.  As we all know Pulis places endeavour over skill.

I agree totally, but I'm not convinced about the last line.  He hasn't been here long enough for me to make that judgement.  I think he likes to get a club tight defensively first so in that aspect you're probably right, but I'm not sure he'd always trade off a skillful player to replace him with Gardner.  He certainly expects his skillful players to put a shift in defensively and I do agree with that.  I think Sess has come on loads since he's been back in the side.  We need more players comfortable on the ball and preferably ones that can make 10 yard passes when needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 08, 2016, 11:54:09 AM
This sounds great and dramatic but isn't true. He hinders all players just isn't a fair comment. He develops some and some struggle like most managers.
How can you say he has hung him out to dry. He has been injured for months before coming and has been here for 2 games of which he has played a half on Saturday. This makes no sense, at the end of the season would be the time to make that comment.

can you name 1 players he has developed? because i cant.
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 11:42:14 AM
Nobody is defending the performances, you're just making stuff up again.  And you're making stuff up regarding Pulis' motiviations on bringing in Pritchard.  And now having a pop because I might not be vocal despite not knowing anything about me.

Why are you fabricating straw man arguments? 

You can't wait for patience to run out?  Go you.

who you think is responsable then?

He has picked near enought he same team every friggin game. When the players dont perform you have to try something different, tony pulis has not tried anything different. He hasnt played players in right positions, his tactics are a shambles, he has come up with pooh excuses week in and week out, they are now wearing thin.

First sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

The buck stops with Tony Pulis, nobody else. He has spent 30m and we are worse now than under Irvine.

You keep defending him every day and his performances are making you look a fool.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 12:52:02 PM
You can criticise the performances and the manager, without thinking the manager should be sacked.  We are not worse than under Irvine, we are in a poor run of form that we need to get out of though. 

And if you're talking about buck stopping then it stops with JP as he's the one at the top.

Can you leave out the personal insults as well please?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 08, 2016, 12:55:17 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
can you name 1 players he has developed? because i cant.
who you think is responsable then?

He has picked near enought he same team every friggin game. When the players dont perform you have to try something different, tony pulis has not tried anything different. He hasnt played players in right positions, his tactics are a shambles, he has come up with pooh excuses week in and week out, they are now wearing thin.

First sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

The buck stops with Tony Pulis, nobody else. He has spent 30m and we are worse now than under Irvine.

You keep defending him every day and his performances are making you look a fool.

One player he developed...
Ryan Shawcross
Glenn Whelan
Mark Wilson
Jonathan Walters
Matt Etherington
Asmir Begovic
Nzonzi
Danny higgingbotom
Dwight Gayle
Bolasie
Scott Dann

They were just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are others ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 08, 2016, 12:57:40 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 08, 2016, 12:55:17 PM
One player he developed...
Ryan Shawcross
Glenn Whelan
Mark Wilson
Jonathan Walters
Matt Etherington
Asmir Begovic
Nzonzi
Danny higgingbotom
Dwight Gayle
Bolasie
Scott Dann

They were just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are others ;)
I'd give you Shawcross, but I don't believe Pulis 'developed' any of the others whatsoever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 08, 2016, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 11:34:33 AM
I disagree. You don't buy a washing machine and expect it to be able to operate as an oven just because it operates in the same vicinity in the house.

You have every right to disagree of course, but could you explain the difference between a player whose natural position is as a central defender being asked to play as a defensive full back & a player whose natural position is an attacking wide right/left player, being asked to a) track back & defend & b) play on the opposite side of their natural position.

Not the players fault, I know, but for £8million, I would have expected a more versatile player than we seem to have with James Chester
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 08, 2016, 12:55:17 PM
One player he developed...
Ryan Shawcross
Glenn Whelan
Mark Wilson
Jonathan Walters
Matt Etherington
Asmir Begovic
Nzonzi
Danny higgingbotom
Dwight Gayle
Bolasie
Scott Dann

They were just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are others ;)

I wouldnt even give you shawcross. When pulis was in charge of stoke he was a thug.

The rest of the list is laughable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 01:15:46 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 08, 2016, 01:00:18 PM
You have every right to disagree of course, but could you explain the difference between a player whose natural position is as a central defender being asked to play as a defensive full back & a player whose natural position is an attacking wide right/left player, being asked to a) track back & defend & b) play on the opposite side of their natural position.

Not the players fault, I know, but for £8million, I would have expected a more versatile player than we seem to have with James Chester

I see no difference which, in addition to my criticism of Pulis picking Chester at right back, means I also disagree with his selection of Sess on the right wing when he should be in the centre, the lack of game time for McManaman because he does not track back enough for Pulis etc.

You have to question the sanctioning of the signing of Chester, if Pulis has seriously brought him in as a right back, which the majority of accounts seem to suggest, then it is yet another nail in the TP coffin because it has been a complete waste of £8m that we needed to strengthen elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 01:17:51 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 12:52:02 PM
You can criticise the performances and the manager, without thinking the manager should be sacked.  We are not worse than under Irvine, we are in a poor run of form that we need to get out of though. 

And if you're talking about buck stopping then it stops with JP as he's the one at the top.

Can you leave out the personal insults as well please?

Im not insulting you personally.

The buck stop with the person who keeps picking the same team over and over when its not working!! Surely you can see this?

This is the worst football i have seen since alan buckley.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 01:20:45 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 01:17:51 PM
Im not insulting you personally.

The buck stop with the person who keeps picking the same team over and over when its not working!! Surely you can see this?

This is the worst football i have seen since alan buckley.

The buck stops with the person who picks the person who picks the same team over and over again.  That's how the buck works.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 08, 2016, 01:28:05 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 08, 2016, 12:55:17 PM
One player he developed...
Ryan Shawcross
Glenn Whelan
Mark Wilson
Jonathan Walters
Matt Etherington
Asmir Begovic
Nzonzi
Danny higgingbotom
Dwight Gayle
Bolasie
Scott Dann

They were just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are others ;)
not much use to wba though seeing as none of them play for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 08, 2016, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 01:15:46 PM
I see no difference which, in addition to my criticism of Pulis picking Chester at right back, means I also disagree with his selection of Sess on the right wing when he should be in the centre, the lack of game time for McManaman because he does not track back enough for Pulis etc.

You have to question the sanctioning of the signing of Chester, if Pulis has seriously brought him in as a right back, which the majority of accounts seem to suggest, then it is yet another nail in the TP coffin because it has been a complete waste of £8m that we needed to strengthen elsewhere.

If I have understood you correctly, you're saying that all of our players should be played in their natural positions?

So a squad should consist of a main player & a back-up for each position?

If that's the case, what happens if, for example, both of our right backs get injured?

In my opinion, the more versatile the squad, the better: it allows the "Manager/Head Coach" to "play tunes" with the selection & keeps the opposition guessing.

In the case of James Chester, in hindsight, it does look like a bad decision from Pulis to offer him a contact, but he must have seen something in him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on February 08, 2016, 01:32:35 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 01:17:51 PM
Im not insulting you personally.

The buck stop with the person who keeps picking the same team over and over when its not working!! Surely you can see this?

This is the worst football i have seen since alan buckley.

To be fair to Alan Buckley, there was at least one game in the season where Ian Hamilton linked up with Andy Hunt in a move that exceeded 3 passes.

This team at the minute just doesn't know what it's doing going forward- just give the ball away or hoof it, and then retreat to two banks of defence formation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 01:20:45 PM
The buck stops with the person who picks the person who picks the same team over and over again.  That's how the buck works.

So when Chelsea were doing not so good Abramovich though oh ill sack myself then.  Errrr not he didnt he fired the manager who wasnt getting results. Same thing is happening now with us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 01:33:18 PM
So when Chelsea were doing not so good Abramovich though oh ill sack myself then.  Errrr not he didnt he fired the manager who wasnt getting results. Same thing is happening now with us.

Yes, because the buck stopped with Abramovich.   That's what it means.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on February 08, 2016, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: Pelada on February 08, 2016, 01:32:35 PM
To be fair to Alan Buckley, there was at least one game in the season where Ian Hamilton linked up with Andy Hunt in a move that exceeded 3 passes.

This team at the minute just doesn't know what it's doing going forward- just give the ball away or hoof it, and then retreat to two banks of defence formation.

And therein lies one of the problems, the players must be under orders and/or are simply terrified of losing their defensive shape and getting a rollocking from TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 01:55:13 PM
I doubt they're under orders to give the ball away.  I've seen players mishit 6 yard passes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 08, 2016, 02:27:23 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 01:55:13 PM
I doubt they're under orders to give the ball away.  I've seen players mishit 6 yard passes.
Perhaps their Zimmer frames get in the way.
TP seems to like to field a "Dads Army" or even a grandads army, their age, fitness and eyesight are telling.
Does he train them to run or walk?
Very few seem to want to put in the effort.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 08, 2016, 02:27:23 PM
Perhaps their Zimmer frames get in the way.
TP seems to like to field a "Dads Army" or even a grandads army, their age, fitness and eyesight are telling.
Does he train them to run or walk?
Very few seem to want to put in the effort.

We're one of the hardest working teams in the division, all the running stats show it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 02:39:30 PM
To be fair to Droitwich, going by Saturday's performance you wouldn't think so. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 08, 2016, 02:40:48 PM
Is anyone willing to give him till christmas and see where we are then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 08, 2016, 02:41:47 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
We're one of the hardest working teams in the division, all the running stats show it.
If you can't keep the ball then you will have to spend most of the game chasing it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: letmereadposts on February 08, 2016, 02:43:52 PM
I don't think our football would be too bad if we committed to two pacy full backs and/or wingers. Yes a lesser emphasis on defence may lose points but having some pace down our flanks would give us a bit of attacking focus and still allow a five man midfield with one up top. The attributes of a teams Full backs and how a team uses them have become really important in the Premier League.

Pulis must give a little, particularly if we begin to get stuck on a losing run.

In a league where pace and power prevails Pulis continues to go down the route of zonal marking, blocks of centre backs and playing - badly - the percentage game.

Pulis is capable of changing but i don't think he is remotely keen on anything other than what he knows best. I'm beginning to think he had mostly luck at Palace with the pace that already existed in an inherited team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 08, 2016, 02:44:09 PM
out of interest did anyone fill in the survey the b,ham ran regarding west brom. its available on news now west brom from yesterday at 14.45 titled they cant go down...surely.
not sure who sees the end results but there's some interesting questions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 02:55:00 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on February 08, 2016, 02:40:48 PM
Is anyone willing to give him till christmas and see where we are then?

If we go down, I'd get rid.
If we stay up on the last day by the skin of our teeth, I'd give him until Christmas.
If finish anywhere 14th+, I'd give him the next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 08, 2016, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: Dan on February 08, 2016, 11:48:15 AM
I don't really see why having spent far more than any other manager in history, the poor quality of our squad is a plus point for Pulis who has near total control over transfers and yet has wasted almost all his money. Maybe the team would look somewhat better if he'd bought a central midfielder of quality with the 8m he spent on Chester who he only ever planned to play full back. Rondon is most certainly not a finisher, he might not be as bad as he looks in a Pulis system, but finishing certainly isn't his forte. Again you have to question why he bought him given his plans for him.

The thing with Pulis is pretty much irregardless of how good or bad his squad is, they'll always pretty much look the same. We could have Villa's squad or Leicester's and we'd still be pretty much were we are.
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This is a very good point.
He may get slightly more points from a poor squad, but his cowardice would prevent him from maximising a good one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 03:06:14 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 08, 2016, 01:31:25 PM
If I have understood you correctly, you're saying that all of our players should be played in their natural positions?

So a squad should consist of a main player & a back-up for each position?

If that's the case, what happens if, for example, both of our right backs get injured?

In my opinion, the more versatile the squad, the better: it allows the "Manager/Head Coach" to "play tunes" with the selection & keeps the opposition guessing.

In the case of James Chester, in hindsight, it does look like a bad decision from Pulis to offer him a contact, but he must have seen something in him.

As an absolute worst case scenario people fill in, hence why the lack of selection of Gamboa and Poco leaves so much frustration, we do have natural full backs, they merely aren't used. If they were deemed to not be up to standard by TP last season, then answer me this, why were they not replaced in the summer? Why did we sign a centre back to play at right back? Buck in this instance seems to stop with TP.

The same applies with the wing position, he signs McManaman and deems him unfit for purpose, samer happens with Gnabry resulting in us having to employ 'fillers' in those positions. One signing so far is all I can support of Pulis and that is Evans, the rest have failed to show anywhere near what has been required/what was expected of them. People will argue Fletcher, and as I captain I imagine he is a great leader, but in terms of footballing ability, he is lacking comparatively to the wage he is being paid I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:10:29 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on February 08, 2016, 02:59:22 PM
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This is a very good point.
He may get slightly more points from a poor squad, but his cowardice would prevent him from maximising a good one.

Agree, whilst you can point out quite correctly he has never been relegated, you could also point out he has never had a top 10 finish.

He is what he is, I personally think at this current moment in time, the chairman is happy with that situation, and ultimately Mr Peace will decide what direction our club will go, but if was JP, I would be very reluctant to give significant money to buy a thoroughbred player, to pull a cart with very wobbly wheels. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 03:06:14 PM
As an absolute worst case scenario people fill in, hence why the lack of selection of Gamboa and Poco leaves so much frustration, we do have natural full backs, they merely aren't used. If they were deemed to not be up to standard by TP last season, then answer me this, why were they not replaced in the summer? Why did we sign a centre back to play at right back? Buck in this instance seems to stop with TP.

The same applies with the wing position, he signs McManaman and deems him unfit for purpose, samer happens with Gnabry resulting in us having to employ 'fillers' in those positions. One signing so far is all I can support of Pulis and that is Evans, the rest have failed to show anywhere near what has been required/what was expected of them. People will argue Fletcher, and as I captain I imagine he is a great leader, but in terms of footballing ability, he is lacking comparatively to the wage he is being paid I'm afraid.

It's not football manager, we cannot replace players until we can get rid or you end up with 40 man squads a la QPR. It speaks volumes for the 2 players that we cannot get rid of them.

Further to your point he has tried to get wingers in and neither is up to scratch so presumably he should just relace them as well??

Totally agree about Fletcher  :o ;D

Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:10:29 PM
Agree, whilst you can point out quite correctly he has never been relegated, you could also point out he has never had a top 10 finish.

He is what he is, I personally think at this current moment in time, the chairman is happy with that situation.

We don't pay top 10 wages, so it's not a problem. Our ambitions stop at midtable, The Lukaku season is an aberration not something we can sustain. I don't like it any more than you but that is our lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:12:09 PM
It's not football manager, we cannot replace players until we can get rid or you end up with 40 man squads a la QPR. It speaks volumes for the 2 players that we cannot get rid of them.

Further to your point he has tried to get wingers in and neither is up to scratch so presumably he should just relace them as well??

Totally agree about Fletcher  :o ;D

I hope that is a sarcastic agreement, anything other than that and the world may implode.

Perhaps he should perform better due diligence than to sign two wingers who he almost immediately deems unselectable and a centre back who he feels can play right back that clearly cannot?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:12:09 PM
It's not football manager, we cannot replace players until we can get rid or you end up with 40 man squads a la QPR. It speaks volumes for the 2 players that we cannot get rid of them.

Further to your point he has tried to get wingers in and neither is up to scratch so presumably he should just relace them as well??

Totally agree about Fletcher  :o ;D

We don't pay top 10 wages, so it's not a problem. Our ambitions stop at midtable, The Lukaku season is an aberration not something we can sustain. I don't like it any more than you but that is our lot.


but, surely, if we didn't buy so many ordinary players that eats into our wage bill, we may be able to get higher quality players in, not many, just right through the spine of the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 08, 2016, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 03:06:14 PM
As an absolute worst case scenario people fill in, hence why the lack of selection of Gamboa and Poco leaves so much frustration, we do have natural full backs, they merely aren't used. If they were deemed to not be up to standard by TP last season, then answer me this, why were they not replaced in the summer? Why did we sign a centre back to play at right back? Buck in this instance seems to stop with TP.

The same applies with the wing position, he signs McManaman and deems him unfit for purpose, samer happens with Gnabry resulting in us having to employ 'fillers' in those positions. One signing so far is all I can support of Pulis and that is Evans, the rest have failed to show anywhere near what has been required/what was expected of them. People will argue Fletcher, and as I captain I imagine he is a great leader, but in terms of footballing ability, he is lacking comparatively to the wage he is being paid I'm afraid.


I think that you and I are approaching the same solution from a different angle, & will probably have to agree to disagree.

I think it's generally accepted that TP takes a "managed/measured" approach to games & doesn't take kindly to players doing their own thing. Players in his sides, will "buy-in" to that concept, or they don't play, simple as that.

I also believe that most modern coaches look for players who are flexible, game tactics tend to be dynamic, & the squad wins & loses matches, not just the players on the pitch. So the more flexible your squad, the more tactical options you've got.
IMO the reason TP doesn't play certain players, is because, a) they won't operate in a managed system &b) they are inflexible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendo on February 08, 2016, 03:25:58 PM
The man says we will see what reaction we get at Peterborough. Well we aint had any reaction since the Chelsea game so why expect any.I used to like listening to hear what he as to say but, he comes out with some rubbish now. Talking about how rubbish we was again on Saturday having no shots ( as norm ) he starts spouting about the Villa having 3 shots and scoring 2. Whats that to do with our rubbish. We can,t hit a barn door most times. We will go 38 games and not score 38 goals. RELEGATION.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:27:41 PM
Quote from: kendo on February 08, 2016, 03:25:58 PM
The man says we will see what reaction we get at Peterborough. Well we aint had any reaction since the Chelsea game so why expect any.I used to like listening to hear what he as to say but, he comes out with some rubbish now. Talking about how rubbish we was again on Saturday having no shots ( as norm ) he starts spouting about the Villa having 3 shots and scoring 2. Whats that to do with our rubbish. We can,t hit a barn door most times. We will go 38 games and not score 38 goals. RELEGATION.

Been stated and backed up many times, you get relegated if you concede too many not if you don't score enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:30:21 PM
Constantly hear pundits say goals win you games and clean sheets win you titles, we do neither!! :(

I suppose you could argue if TP had sorted out GK through to DM, and it was solid going forward through forthcoming seasons and we were playing this type of football, you could see a plan, maybe the following year trying to address our attacking and central shortcomings, but it just appears he throws a dart at a map of the world, and takes a punt on a player from where it hit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:31:41 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:30:21 PM
Constantly hear pundits say goals win you games and clean sheets win you titles, we do neither!! :(

Haha most clean sheets in the PL 2015.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on February 08, 2016, 03:34:08 PM
Quote from: kendo on February 08, 2016, 03:25:58 PM
The man says we will see what reaction we get at Peterborough. Well we aint had any reaction since the Chelsea game so why expect any.I used to like listening to hear what he as to say but, he comes out with some rubbish now. Talking about how rubbish we was again on Saturday having no shots ( as norm ) he starts spouting about the Villa having 3 shots and scoring 2. Whats that to do with our rubbish. We can,t hit a barn door most times. We will go 38 games and not score 38 goals. RELEGATION.

I think that's what worries me as well. When he first came in, I used to like his interviews, he sounded composed and experience in what he was saying. His interviews now sound defensive and can sound like he was watching a different game to the rest of us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 03:35:00 PM
He said that it was the worst away performance since he's been here.  That's pretty scathing. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 08, 2016, 03:35:04 PM
Looks like Tone may be forced into playing some of the bomb squad on Wednesday.
McAuley, Dawson and Olsson all doubtful, game is too early for Brunty.
Should be interesting
Potentially Gamboa, Poco and Chester in the back 4
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:31:41 PM
Haha most clean sheets in the PL 2015.

What about 2016? and obviously you have to have a balance of the two to win a title, so your saying with all our clean sheets we should have finished higher last year then.

All the pundits must be wrong then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 08, 2016, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 03:35:00 PM
He said that it was the worst away performance since he's been here.  That's pretty scathing.
I think palace away was worse, but if foster hadn't had a blinder it could have been very embarrassing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:37:52 PM
What about 2016? and obviously you have to have a balance of the two to win a title, so your saying with all our clean sheets we should have finished higher last year then.

No we're a poor side with a good defence. Our clean sheets are a necessity to stay up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 03:41:23 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 08, 2016, 03:25:13 PM

I think that you and I are approaching the same solution from a different angle, & will probably have to agree to disagree.

I think it's generally accepted that TP takes a "managed/measured" approach to games & doesn't take kindly to players doing their own thing. Players in his sides, will "buy-in" to that concept, or they don't play, simple as that.

I also believe that most modern coaches look for players who are flexible, game tactics tend to be dynamic, & the squad wins & loses matches, not just the players on the pitch. So the more flexible your squad, the more tactical options you've got.
IMO the reason TP doesn't play certain players, is because, a) they won't operate in a managed system &b) they are inflexible.

You look at Chelsea, probably not the best example currently, but they did win the title last year with the same squad and they have the flexibility in so far as they have a right back who can also play centre back, a left back who can play right back, Cesc can play either deep or in the hole, Oscar, Hazard, Pedro and Willian can operate successfully anywhere across the attacking midfield spectrum.

The problem with the signings Pulis has made is that he brought Chester in for flexibility when he clearly cannot play at right back well enough, no idea what he is like as a centre back, he signs the two wingers who he then discards.

The Jacko mentioned earlier about this not being football manager and not littering yourselves with a squad of 40. I would agree with the sentiment, but sadly for him the signings of Pulis contradict all that he is saying in that statement, we had Gamboa and Dawson as right back options and yet he still signs Chester to play right back. We currently have Yacob and Fletcher as fit defensive midfield options so Pulis signs Sandro as a further defensive midfielder as opposed to an attacking midfielder or winger, the latter we are seriously crying out for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:42:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:39:42 PM
No we're a poor side with a good defence. Our clean sheets are a necessity to stay up.

And goals are a necessity to win games, I think relying on one of either attack or defence, and not a balance of both is a dodgy tactic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:42:37 PM
And goals are a necessity to win games

We score enough goals, we're the same number of points from 8th as we are 18th, with goal difference against us looking up and for us looking down.

We're bang average.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:44:29 PM
We score enough goals, we're the same number of points from 8th as we are 18th, with goal difference against us looking up and for us looking down.

We're bang average.

We don't score enough goals, I f you rely solely on the defence, all it takes is one mistake and we're in the doo doo, if we had the ability to score, at least the defence would have to make two mistakes, to be in the doo do
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:49:21 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:46:31 PM
We don't score enough goals.

Well if we're just going with it as a statement then no football team scores enough goals.

We score enough to comfortably match our position relative to wages paid (14th/15th)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 08, 2016, 03:49:50 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:44:29 PM
We score enough goals, we're the same number of points from 8th as we are 18th, with goal difference against us looking up and for us looking down.

We're bang average.

How can we possibly score enough goals? We have had three games with no shots on target.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:50:51 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on February 08, 2016, 03:49:50 PM
How can we possibly score enough goals? We have had three games with no shots on target.

See my last post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:51:59 PM
Also don't get you relative to wages paid correlation, if 75% of turnover is being spent on wages then we are paying the wrong players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 08, 2016, 03:55:32 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:50:51 PM
See my last post.

Still think your wrong mate. We just dont let as many in as some of the other teams.

Must have something to do with playing 8 defensive players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:51:59 PM
Also don't get you relative to wages paid correlation, if 75% of turnover is being spent on wages then we are paying the wrong players.

We pay the 14th highest wages in the division at last count.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:58:25 PM
I don't know the answer to this, but when was the last time we took the lead in the league, and lost a game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:58:25 PM
I don't know the answer to this, but when was the last time we took the lead in the league, and lost a game?

Leicester and Everton were two poor defeats. Pulis has been much more attritional since then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 04:04:02 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 04:00:43 PM
Leicester and Everton were two poor defeats. Pulis has been much more attritional since then.

Are they the only two? my limited brain has gone to mush!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 04:04:02 PM
Are they the only two? my limited brain has gone to mush!!

They sprang immediately to mind and I can't be bothered checking my latest programme mate sorry.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 04:08:20 PM
I don't know why people cry out for Gamboa to play, successive managers have deemed him not good enough.  If his name was Geoff Brown or something we'd be saying get rid of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 04:09:07 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 04:05:48 PM
They sprang immediately to mind and I can't be bothered checking my latest programme mate sorry.

Thinking maybe Bournemouth as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 04:12:25 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 04:09:07 PM
Thinking maybe Bournemouth as well.

No McAuley equalised with 10 minutes left.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 08, 2016, 04:13:14 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 04:08:20 PM
I don't know why people cry out for Gamboa to play, successive managers have deemed him not good enough.  If his name was Geoff Brown or something we'd be saying get rid of him.

If he was named Geoff Brown he'd be the first name on a Pulis team sheet  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 04:16:18 PM
So, it could be argued when we have showed are teeth and scored first we have actually only lost two games all year, which brings me back to the point, if you are relying on us defending, with no intent to get stuck in, just 1 mistake will cost us more often than not, tbf I can see why we play scared!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 04:18:14 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 04:16:18 PM
So, it could be argued when we have showed are teeth and scored first we have actually only lost two games all year, which brings me back to the point, if you are relying on us defending, with no intent to get stuck in, just 1 mistake will cost us more often than not, tbf I can see why we play scared!!

We played too open, the other games where we scored first were invariably defensive performances. There is no way we should have lost to Everton or Leicester or Chelsea for that matter but we did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 04:25:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 04:18:14 PM
We played too open, the other games where we scored first were invariably defensive performances. There is no way we should have lost to Everton or Leicester or Chelsea for that matter but we did.

I think we also panic if we go 2-0 up and they get a goal back.  We've done it for years, I remember us going through a period of doing it, Barton commented on it I think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 08, 2016, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
I wouldnt even give you shawcross. When pulis was in charge of stoke he was a thug.

The rest of the list is laughable.

Laughable because it doesn't fit with your argument...Quality response :) The names are true if you do some research. What do you mean by development? Played better under him and became a better player then the lists valid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 08, 2016, 04:27:58 PM

More likely to be Gardner RB, McLean LB, Dawson and Sandro CH, with Sick Vic as sweeper!!  :o
In fairness Gamboa has been around a bit and never gotten a chance, so you could argue he's not up to it, but Poco clearly is. He has had bad games yes, but he's not the worst LB in the world. He is certainly better than Dawson who is, IMO, an average CH, a poor RB and a God awful LB!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 08, 2016, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:31:41 PM
Haha most clean sheets in the PL 2015.

But most of those were last season. What is it now something like 3 clean sheets in last 17?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 04:35:24 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 08, 2016, 04:29:16 PM
But most of those were last season. What is it now something like 3 clean sheets in last 17?

10 this season in all comps, 2 in last 4 for Ben Foster.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on February 08, 2016, 04:41:10 PM
Couple of things confuse me about Pulis.

We know he is a defensive minded manager and can get results with that approach, not everyone may like it but his records show it works.

However i dont understand why he doesnt play Gamboa right midfield infront of Dawson, although not great defensively Gamboa has more defensive instincts than say a Morrison, Gardner, McManaman, Gnabry (when he was here) as he has played a lot of his career at Right back or Ring wing back.

By playing Gamboa infront of him, it means Dawson has more protection than any of the others offer him which surely suits Pulis method, but also it means we have a outlet who is quite direct and quick going forward which again suits Pulis method! How s**t must Gamboa be or what has done wrong that he wont get a chance?! Can he be any worse than whats happening now?!

Same goes the otherside, although not great i think Brunty has done good enough at left back that if he is fit he has the shirt with Mcclean infront of him, however if Brunt isnt fit, why not play Poco, as although he isnt great defensively, he is steady and Mcclean defends better than any other left winger option we have so would help Poco but also again we have an outlet going forward.

It would then mean Evans could play where he is best - centre half, and you have Sess competing for the number 10 role he is best in (competing with Pritchard and Morrison when he returns) with Fletcher, Sandro, Yacob possibly Morrison competing for the 2 midfield roles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 08, 2016, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 04:35:24 PM
10 this season in all comps, 2 in last 4 for Ben Foster.

How many in just the league?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 08, 2016, 04:46:17 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on February 08, 2016, 04:41:10 PM
Couple of things confuse me about Pulis.

We know he is a defensive minded manager and can get results with that approach, not everyone may like it but his records show it works.

However i dont understand why he doesnt play Gamboa right midfield infront of Dawson, although not great defensively Gamboa has more defensive instincts than say a Morrison, Gardner, McManaman, Gnabry (when he was here) as he has played a lot of his career at Right back or Ring wing back.

By playing Gamboa infront of him, it means Dawson has more protection than any of the others offer him which surely suits Pulis method, but also it means we have a outlet who is quite direct and quick going forward which again suits Pulis method! How s**t must Gamboa be or what has done wrong that he wont get a chance?! Can he be any worse than whats happening now?!

Same goes the otherside, although not great i think Brunty has done good enough at left back that if he is fit he has the shirt with Mcclean infront of him, however if Brunt isnt fit, why not play Poco, as although he isnt great defensively, he is steady and Mcclean defends better than any other left winger option we have so would help Poco but also again we have an outlet going forward.

It would then mean Evans could play where he is best - centre half, and you have Sess competing for the number 10 role he is best in (competing with Pritchard and Morrison when he returns) with Fletcher, Sandro, Yacob possibly Morrison competing for the 2 midfield roles.

I guess he deems Gamboa not reliable or disciplined enough to play full stop. Basically our wingers have to hold the hands of our full backs as they are not good enough. Even with McLean in front of him Brunt has been at fault or switched off quite a few times this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 04:55:48 PM
I know we haven't got a crystal ball, but I would say TP's preferred line up is:

BF
CD
GMac
JE
CB
CY
DF
JM
JMac
SB/SS on right???
SR

Where would we be in your opinions if he pld

BF
CG (only RB at club I think)
JE
GMac
SP
DF
JM
McMan
JMc
SB
SR

Fair enough against top 6 or 7 clubs, but would we be that much worse off in terms of league position?

 I personally think we would be about the same, only difference being, we wouldn't be calling Pulis out quite so much and focusing more on our players perhaps not being good enough.

If you think we would be balls deep in a relegation scrap, then you have to question his signings and his ability to coach players like Poco and Gamboa, his ability to get the best out of Saido etc etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 04:59:05 PM
I don't think there'd be that much difference, puts a lot of weight on Fletcher's shoulders though without Yacob in there.

Bit harsh to blame Pulis if Gamboa and Poco aren't good enough, he didn't buy them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 05:00:33 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 04:59:05 PM
I don't think there'd be that much difference, puts a lot of weight on Fletcher's shoulders though without Yacob in there.

Bit harsh to blame Pulis if Gamboa and Poco aren't good enough, he didn't buy them.

But he's coaching them everyday, I dunno, I've never played football at such a high level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 05:04:49 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 05:00:33 PM
But he's coaching them everyday, I dunno, I've never played football at such a high level.
Maybe they just aren't quite good enough to nail down a starting spot?  The previous manager didn't fancy them either so it's not like Pulis has drummed them out of the squad.  You can't polish a turd.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on February 08, 2016, 05:05:57 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:58:25 PM
I don't know the answer to this, but when was the last time we took the lead in the league, and lost a game?
I can't remember off the top of my head but when did we last score 3 goals in a League game? I don't think we have this season!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 05:07:27 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 05:04:49 PM
Maybe they just aren't quite good enough to nail down a starting spot?  The previous manager didn't fancy them either so it's not like Pulis has drummed them out of the squad.  You can't polish a turd.

 :D, Perhaps that is where he should have been looking to strengthen with like for like, rather than the old square pegs in round holes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 05:10:11 PM
(for the record, I'd have liked to have seen Gamboa have a run in the team, he can't be quite as bad as it seems)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 05:13:26 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 05:10:11 PM
(for the record, I'd have liked to have seen Gamboa have a run in the team, he can't be quite as bad as it seems)

It is strange, it must be soul destroying for those guys watching the tea lady being preferred in your position rather than picking you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 08, 2016, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:12:09 PM

We don't pay top 10 wages, so it's not a problem. Our ambitions stop at midtable, The Lukaku season is an aberration not something we can sustain. I don't like it any more than you but that is our lot.

Nor do Leicester and our wage bill is about the 12th in the Premier League so not too shabby. For the last season where all the figures are available we paid a total wage of £65m just £4m behind Villa and £5m behind Sunderland in 10th and 11th place. Other things being equal then 12th should be about par and top 10 finishes a bit of a stretch but not impossible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 05:37:57 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 08, 2016, 05:31:00 PM
Nor do Leicester and our wage bill is about the 12th in the Premier League so not too shabby. For the last season where all the figures are available we paid a total wage of £65m just £4m behind Villa and £5m behind Sunderland in 10th and 11th place. Other things being equal then 12th should be about par and top 10 finishes a bit of a stretch but not impossible.

The wage bill includes everybody at the club? receptionist, cleaners etc? or just the players?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 08, 2016, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 04:08:20 PM
I don't know why people cry out for Gamboa to play, successive managers have deemed him not good enough.  If his name was Geoff Brown or something we'd be saying get rid of him.

Only one person has deemed him not good enough to play, really though. Prior to Pulis arrival he featured in every squad that Irvine picked except for the opening two games following his return from playing in every game to the quarter final of the World Cup (stopping England from scoring on the way). He played in over 50% of our Premier League games and Irvine always said the foreign players needed integration. Pulis picked him for one squad and then bombed him out. I guess 1m 75 attacking full backs don't fit TP style of play.

I have no problem with TP picking Dawson at right back, if that is his first choice, and I'm not sure I've seen many people calling for Gamboa to start. What is galling is that when Pulis moans about tired players and playing people out of position to accomodate injuries he does have other options available to him but it seems he would prefer to create more problems.




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 08, 2016, 05:51:54 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 04:25:03 PM
I think we also panic if we go 2-0 up and they get a goal back.  We've done it for years, I remember us going through a period of doing it, Barton commented on it I think.
Best argument ever for not scoring goals. Fortunately we don't have this problem now. Only Villa have scored less goals than us this season  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 05:55:00 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 08, 2016, 05:49:53 PM
Only one person has deemed him not good enough to play, really though. Prior to Pulis arrival he featured in every squad that Irvine picked except for the opening two games following his return from playing in every game to the quarter final of the World Cup (stopping England from scoring on the way). He played in over 50% of our Premier League games and Irvine always said the foreign players needed integration. Pulis picked him for one squad and then bombed him out. I guess 1m 75 attacking full backs don't fit TP style of play.

I have no problem with TP picking Dawson at right back, if that is his first choice, and I'm not sure I've seen many people calling for Gamboa to start. What is galling is that when Pulis moans about tired players and playing people out of position to accomodate injuries he does have other options available to him but it seems he would prefer to create more problems.

Don't let the facts interfere with your defense of Pulis though. ;)

tbf Boinging Along did say he would have liked him to have a run in the team
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 05:57:00 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 08, 2016, 05:51:54 PM
Best argument ever for not scoring goals. Fortunately we don't have this problem now. Only Villa have scored less goals than us this season  :o

Try looking at goals conceded, or more importantly points  ;)

As to your laughable justification of Irvine/Gamboa, he didn't pick him in the team at right back. Except once when forced to against Liverpool (Norman's parent club) and he was at fault for one of the goals.

Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 05:55:00 PM
tbf Boinging Along did say he would have liked him to have a run in the team

Which he should have got at the start of last season off the back of flying performances at the World Cup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 06:01:42 PM
Jacko, I cannot accept your argument we score enough goals mate.

We just don't.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 06:04:42 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 06:01:42 PM
Jacko, I cannot accept your argument we score enough goals mate.

We just don't.

As I said technically nobody scores as many as they would like. We obviously score enough to achieve our Chairman's aim of staying in the Premier League.

Quote from: MarkW on February 08, 2016, 04:41:44 PM
How many in just the league?

8 out of 25 total; 1 out of 3 with Ben Foster in goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 08, 2016, 06:13:16 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 05:57:00 PM
Try looking at goals conceded, or more importantly points  ;)

As to your laughable justification of Irvine/Gamboa, he didn't pick him in the team at right back. Except once when forced to against Liverpool (Norman's parent club) and he was at fault for one of the goals.

Which he should have got at the start of last season off the back of flying performances at the World Cup.
I actually prefer to watch entertaining football than just follow the stats.  ;)

As an approach to football not scoring goals and relying on clean sheets is a pretty poor one, as we are currently finding with our inability to keep them. Our defense are "too tired" and picking up injuries, why would that be? As you've pointed out yourself, hardest working players in the league.

The only laughable point about Gamboa was the suggestion that two managers said he was no good and therefore he clearly must be (despite it not actually being true)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 06:21:02 PM
With you Venlo, there has to be at least an attempt to win, my point to Jacko is if we did by some miracle score first in a game, our defense has to muck up twice for us to not to get something out of a game, if you are completely relying on not conceding, then I think we deserve everything we get.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 06:23:20 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 06:21:02 PM
With you Venlo, there has to be at least an attempt to win, my point to Jacko is if we did by some miracle score first in a game, our defense has to muck up twice for us to not to get something out of a game, if you are completely relying on not conceding, then I think we deserve everything we get.

Having watched us since Hodgson left, opening up to attempt to score first leaves us massively susceptible to conceding. We're not good enough to play expansive football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 06:27:11 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 06:23:20 PM
Having watched us since Hodgson left, opening up to attempt to score first leaves us massively susceptible to conceding. We're not good enough to play expansive football.

Then we're spunking £65 million quid a year up the wall!!! You are basically saying we are not good enough to win a game of football in this division. You may be right.

And us the paying punter are doing the same watching them.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 08, 2016, 06:28:30 PM
If you are a bottom half team you are in all probability not a goal scoring machine and as such if you are conceding too many goals you are probably in deep trouble. Hence the team with the worst defence is always relegated irrespective of the goals they score. Pulis has never had a team that wasn't one of bottom 5 goal scorers in the league and nearly every season one if not two of the relegated sides out score his team but sadly get relegated.

We are currently on target for scoring around 35 goals this year which is broadly in line with Pulisball expectations. Unfortunately it is total pants to watch but will probably keep us alive a little longer. Can't wait for next season when he does it with a new and exciting line-up.

Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 06:27:11 PM
Then we're spunking £65 million quid a year up the wall!!! You are basically saying we are not good enough to win a game of football in this division.

And us the paying punter are doing the same watching them.



Well take comfort from the fact that we ain't Chelsea with £200m+ going down the pan in wages for a not dissimilar outcome. In all seriousness that is just the going rate for average Premier League players although you can pay more if you like  (e.g. QPR at £75m for a season when they finish 6th in the Championship) it  is hard to pay less, particularly to English based players they simply won't sign.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: matt_wba912 on February 08, 2016, 06:31:12 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 06:23:20 PM
Having watched us since Hodgson left, opening up to attempt to score first leaves us massively susceptible to conceding. We're not good enough to play expansive football.

Where does the idea we need to play "expansive football" come from? going into a game with the aim of scoring a goal and with some idea of how to achieve that aim should be the minimum requirement for any team.  That doesn't mean you have to play like Brazil! 4 centre backs and 3 DMs tells you all you need to know about pullis's ambitions in that regard
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 06:34:19 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 06:27:11 PM
Then we're spunking £65 million quid a year up the wall!!!

And us the paying punter are doing the same watching them.

How long have you been going up, because we pay to watch West Bromwich Albion, irrespective of style or indeed results, I do anyway. There is a myth around the place that we're known for playing attractive football, we're getting as bad as West Ham fans.

In my time of going up the Albion we have only played good football under Ardiles and Mowbray. That's 4 seasons out of the last 28.

Under Di Matteo, Hodgson and Clarke we were blessed with very good attacking players we managed to sign for next to nothing. The £65 million is par for the division.

Quote from: matt_wba912 on February 08, 2016, 06:31:12 PM
Where does the idea we need to play "expansive football" come from? going into a game with the aim of scoring a goal and with some idea of how to achieve that aim should be the minimum requirement for any team.  That doesn't mean you have to play like Brazil! 4 centre backs and 3 DMs tells you all you need to know about pullis's ambitions in that regard

We have the aim of scoring a goal, but because its on the break or more likely from a set piece people aren't happy with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: matt_wba912 on February 08, 2016, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 06:34:19 PM
We have the aim of scoring a goal, but because its on the break or more likely from a set piece people aren't happy with it.

I haven't seen us look threatening on the break in a long time, defence and midfield are too busy getting back into their shape ready to defend the next attack leaving whichever poor sod who has the job of lone striker that day isolated and outnumbered

Also if our plan is to score from set pieces our deliveries need to be a lot better. What's our plan B if the opposition don't give away any corners or happen to be good at defending set pieces?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 08, 2016, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: matt_wba912 on February 08, 2016, 06:40:52 PM
I haven't seen us look threatening on the break in a long time, defence and midfield are too busy getting back into their shape ready to defend the next attack leaving whichever poor sod who has the job of lone striker that day isolated and outnumbered

Also if our plan is to score from set pieces our deliveries need to be a lot better. What's our plan B if the opposition don't give away any corners or happen to be good at defending set pieces?

There isn't one that page hasn't been written into the Pulisball manual but let's face it we really need Rory Delap
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 08, 2016, 06:47:12 PM
I love seeing goals on the break personally...if Rondon had put that into Saido's path on Saturday it would have gone from right back to back of the net in 3 touches.
It was Rondon's run that gave Dawson a target for the pass to create the break in the first place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 06:58:40 PM
Gamboa started 1 game, the rest were a few minutes her and there so I don't think it's unreasonable to say Irvine didn't fancy him.  He certainly saw nothing to make him a regular starter ahead of Wisdom who was an utter disaster.  It speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 06:59:14 PM
I have no problem with counter attacking or scoring from set pieces, it just seems to me we ain't very good at it, well we're about "23" good at it. only Villa are worse than us with "20" good at it.

The bench mark for being a counter attacking team would be Leicester who are "47" good at it, whilst being just "5" better than us in defence.

So, they are more or less 1 goal per game better than us, on the break,(they are a counter attacking side btw), and conceded 1 goal in 5 games less than us, they're top, we ain't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 08, 2016, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 03:31:41 PM
Haha most clean sheets in the PL 2015.
Its 2016 and we've kept 2 clean sheets in the last 18 games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 08, 2016, 07:09:56 PM
Its 2016 and we've kept 2 clean sheets in the last 18 games.

Not sure where you get your stats, last 18 PL games 4 clean sheets, last 18 games total (conveniently just after 2 consecutive clean sheets  ;)) 3 clean sheets.

Been a lot steadier since Foster came back (1 in 3/2 in 4), and would have had another clean sheet Saturday if Dawson could hold his defensive line.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 08, 2016, 07:41:06 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 07:27:33 PM
Not sure where you get your stats, last 18 PL games 4 clean sheets, last 18 games total (conveniently just after 2 consecutive clean sheets  ;)) 3 clean sheets.

Been a lot steadier since Foster came back (1 in 3/2 in 4), and would have had another clean sheet Saturday if Dawson could hold his defensive line.
I stand corrected, I was counting cup games as well, 3 not 2 in the last 18.  As for when I started the count.. well we've all got to work our arguments  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 07:43:24 PM
In the last 10 games we have kept 2 clean sheets in the league, (so 10 games = 40% of the season so far), we have scored 10 and conceded 14, averaging 0.37 points per game with an average goal difference of -0.29 goals per game.

If that trend continues we will finish on 34pts with a goal difference of -13
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 08, 2016, 07:53:13 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 06:58:40 PM
Gamboa started 1 game, the rest were a few minutes her and there so I don't think it's unreasonable to say Irvine didn't fancy him.  He certainly saw nothing to make him a regular starter ahead of Wisdom who was an utter disaster.  It speaks volumes.
To be fair you said "successive managers have deemed him not good enough." yet one continued to pick him in every squad and played him on 11 occasions.

This isn't about the merits of World Cup quarter finalist Gamboa, it's about TP poor use of a squad and using excuses like tiredness and injuries to justify playing players out of position which costs us goals and games.

I read Jacko is arguing that we would have got a clean sheet against Newcastle had Dawson managed to hold his defensive line. No suggestion that Dawson might have held his defensive line if he was playing in a position he was more comfortable in?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 08, 2016, 08:07:39 PM
There is nothing controversial about what I said. Gamboa wasn't fancied by successive managers. Starting 1 game, when we were short of options, is evidence of that.  Theres no denying that.  Gamboa was not a regular under Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 07:43:24 PM
In the last 10 games we have kept 2 clean sheets in the league, (so 10 games = 40% of the season so far), we have scored 10 and conceded 14, averaging 0.37 points per game with an average goal difference of -0.29 goals per game.

If that trend continues we will finish on 34pts with a goal difference of -13

Your maths is wrong we've taken 10 points from our last 10 games at an average of 1 point per game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Cleobury_WBA on February 08, 2016, 09:25:28 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 07:43:24 PM
In the last 10 games we have kept 2 clean sheets in the league, (so 10 games = 40% of the season so far), we have scored 10 and conceded 14, averaging 0.37 points per game with an average goal difference of -0.29 goals per game.

If that trend continues we will finish on 34pts with a goal difference of -13

Villa have 8 points from their last 5 PL games - 1.6 pts per game. If they keep that up over the next 13 games they will get 37 points. I can't see that happening either.

Just to add, not enamoured with the football, but confident TP will keep us up. Review at the end of the season for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: Cleobury_WBA on February 08, 2016, 09:25:28 PM
Villa have 8 points from their last 5 PL games - 1.6 pts per game. If they keep that up over the next 13 games they will get 37 points. I can't see that happening either.

Just to add, not enamoured with the football, but confident TP will keep us up. Review at the end of the season for me.
my figures have massive beer goggles on, sorry!!

I took my figures as a per cent on the total points available, rather than total points achieved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 08, 2016, 09:35:49 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 07:27:33 PM
Not sure where you get your stats, last 18 PL games 4 clean sheets, last 18 games total (conveniently just after 2 consecutive clean sheets  ;)) 3 clean sheets.

Been a lot steadier since Foster came back (1 in 3/2 in 4), and would have had another clean sheet Saturday if Dawson could hold his defensive line.
Also, I tend to agree with what Gary Monk said yesterday that Foster came out too far. He made Mitrovic's mind up for him instead of staying big.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on February 08, 2016, 10:20:42 PM
i thought that at the time. Foster charged out too far too fast, making the target much easier. Poor goalkeeping. Then again, he's only just back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 08, 2016, 10:37:46 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on February 08, 2016, 10:20:42 PM
i thought that at the time. Foster charged out too far too fast, making the target much easier. Poor goalkeeping. Then again, he's only just back.
Have we won since foster came back in?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sammyg on February 08, 2016, 10:44:22 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on February 08, 2016, 10:37:46 PM
Have we won since foster came back in?

Yes, against Bristol City, Foster made some class saves vs Newcastle and kept the score from being embarrassing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 08, 2016, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: sammyg on February 08, 2016, 10:44:22 PM
Yes, against Bristol City, Foster made some class saves vs Newcastle and kept the score from being embarrassing.
I knew, point being many wanted him back in, we haven't won a league match since..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 08, 2016, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on February 08, 2016, 10:20:42 PM
i thought that at the time. Foster charged out too far too fast, making the target much easier. Poor goalkeeping. Then again, he's only just back.
so you'd rather he stood on his line, came out closer to the net and made the target bigger? Monk's right in that it forced Mitrovic's hand, but Mitrovic wasn't going to be caught and any further back and his mind is made anyway, run at the keeper and get tripped, sending Foster off and we play an hour with 10 men and they most likely score anyway from the penalty.

Foster follows the Manuel Neuer school to a degree and because of Neuer's success you'll find more keepers doing it in the next 10-20 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 10:52:51 PM
Just had a look at our recent Prem only managers win rates:

Bottom to top:-

Mel; 0.88 points per game, 17 games
Irvine; 1.05, 27 games
Clarke; 1.18, 60 games
Roy; 1.35, 55 games
Pulis; 1.38, 52 games

I suppose that says it all, if a safe pair of hands is required, happy days. I take it all back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 08, 2016, 10:54:06 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on February 08, 2016, 10:47:43 PM
I knew, point being many wanted him back in, we haven't won a league match since..
hes only played three.. one was a clean sheet and the others hes done his job just to keep the score down. The goals are from poor defending, not 'keeping.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 08, 2016, 11:01:24 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 10:52:51 PM
Just had a look at our recent Prem only managers win rates:

Bottom to top:-

Mel; 0.88 points per game, 17 games
Irvine; 1.05, 27 games
Clarke; 1.18, 60 games
Roy; 1.35, 55 games
Pulis; 1.38, 52 games

I suppose that says it all, if a safe pair of hands is required, happy days. I take it all back.
same with Allardyce, it's not results that overly mattered till a week ago, but he's been boring for a year now, much like Sam at West Ham, people only forgave "professional" performances because the points were good. Soon as that changes ALL the subconscious frustration comes out. Again, we had Sam at west ham to show us how this would go, but they grew weary even when the points were somewhat decent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggieboy74 on February 08, 2016, 11:05:00 PM
Tony won't get sacked. I hate the football as much as everybody else does but it's more important to get behind the players so we can stay up.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 09, 2016, 08:24:34 AM
Quote from: sammyg on February 08, 2016, 10:44:22 PM
Yes, against Bristol City, Foster made some class saves vs Newcastle and kept the score from being embarrassing.
Don't mean a thing if you are partially at fault for the goal and come away with nothing though does it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 09, 2016, 08:28:25 AM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on February 09, 2016, 08:24:34 AM
Don't mean a thing if you are partially at fault for the goal and come away with nothing though does it.

Christ if we are blaming Foster for the result the other day to deflect from Pulis and his team selection we really are clutching at straws. For the goal itself, 'd be looking more at the massive gap left by G-Mac (who I love btw) to allow Mitrovic all the space in the world to pick his spot past Foster.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 09, 2016, 08:42:37 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 09, 2016, 08:28:25 AM
Christ if we are blaming Foster for the result the other day to deflect from Pulis and his team selection we really are clutching at straws. For the goal itself, 'd be looking more at the massive gap left by G-Mac (who I love btw) to allow Mitrovic all the space in the world to pick his spot past Foster.
I don't think anyone is doing it to deflect away from Pulis, if anything it'll be to criticise Pulis for putting Foster in.  Foster has done well since he's come back in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on February 09, 2016, 10:04:38 AM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on February 08, 2016, 10:47:43 PM
I knew, point being many wanted him back in, we haven't won a league match since..

Yet we'd have been battered by Swansea without him and Myhill instead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 09, 2016, 12:30:56 PM
Don't want to get anyone's hope up or too worried (depending on your view of Mr Marmite) but TP's odds are plummeting on the next manager to leave market in from 50/1 to as short as 6/1 in the last 48 hours
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on February 09, 2016, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 09, 2016, 12:30:56 PM
Don't want to get anyone's hope up or too worried (depending on your view of Mr Marmite) but TP's odds are plummeting on the next manager to leave market in from 50/1 to as short as 6/1 in the last 48 hours

Probably just a few big bets at 50/1, great value considering our form, with a tricky replay coming up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 09, 2016, 12:43:31 PM
Personally think it would be the worst thing in the world to get rid of him now...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 09, 2016, 12:53:30 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 09, 2016, 12:43:31 PM
Personally think it would be the worst thing in the world to get rid of him now...
Agree , he knows better than anyone how to deal with this situation and also this isn't good enough. Hopefully get safe and review in June.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on February 09, 2016, 01:35:55 PM
I'd love to see Mowbray back with the squad we have now. We played some cracking football under him and just missed that bit of steel that Sandro, Fletch and Yacob bring now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on February 09, 2016, 01:47:21 PM
Not sure what contract he is on, but does anyone see JP sacking Pulis (during or end of the season)? JP would have to pay out a decent sum I imagine?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 09, 2016, 02:10:05 PM
You can only get 6 to 1 for Pulis to be the next manager sacked.
His odds have plummeted since Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 09, 2016, 02:24:24 PM
Quote from: Shanewba90 on February 09, 2016, 01:47:21 PM
Not sure what contract he is on, but does anyone see JP sacking Pulis (during or end of the season)? JP would have to pay out a decent sum I imagine?

Contract to June 2017 cost £2m per year, reportedly. If and when Peace concludes that he is more of a risk to keep than get rid of he will be gone although running the contract down without renewal is an option but not a very good one in my view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 09, 2016, 04:50:12 PM
The betting odds purely indicate the money paid into the market, not a likely outcome. Bookies don't lose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 09, 2016, 04:56:47 PM
Minor amounts of money move these markets so I would not take much notice of them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 09, 2016, 05:02:43 PM
Does anybody get all excited when the odds for a white Christmas drop?
 :) ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on February 09, 2016, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on February 08, 2016, 10:48:56 PM
so you'd rather he stood on his line, came out closer to the net and made the target bigger? Monk's right in that it forced Mitrovic's hand, but Mitrovic wasn't going to be caught and any further back and his mind is made anyway, run at the keeper and get tripped, sending Foster off and we play an hour with 10 men and they most likely score anyway from the penalty.

Foster follows the Manuel Neuer school to a degree and because of Neuer's success you'll find more keepers doing it in the next 10-20 years.
Indeed. But that is your opinion. My opinion remains that he came out too far too fast and made it too easy for Mitrovic. He left the goal gaping too soon. You say Foster might have tripped him. What if Foster delayed his charge out, forcing Mitrovic to take another touch, which just might have been heavy.
It's all about opinions !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggyman68 on February 09, 2016, 08:40:22 PM
Anyone know how the injured players are coming along? Morrison has been greatly missed in my opinion and we really need evans asap.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 09, 2016, 10:36:04 PM
Quote from: baggyman68 on February 09, 2016, 08:40:22 PM
Anyone know how the injured players are coming along? Morrison has been greatly missed in my opinion and we really need evans asap.
I don't know but another 3 weeks for each I suspect. At least there's a cup weekend as one of those weeks, whether we are in it or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 09, 2016, 10:56:12 PM
Brunt should be fit Saturday, Evans possibly for Reading, but Morrison out until March I think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 10, 2016, 01:12:43 PM
Tony Pulis's fear of attack frustrates West Brom fans

http://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1207-february-2016/13085-tony-pulis-s-fear-of-attack-frustrates-west-brom-fans

Short read, pretty much states why people are losing faith with him and his methods.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 01:39:40 PM
Which creative players aren't getting a game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 10, 2016, 01:59:39 PM
Pulis needs to get his act together and fast 1 in 4 abysmal performances may be tolerable but not back to back .Lets see what is served up today and saturday but anything like Southampton or Newcastle away is unacceptable.He is the reigning coach of the year so lets see if he can pull something out of his hat to justify that,even the staunch Pulis supporters are starting to sway and understandably so.It doesnt look good at the moment and unless he can correct it meaning the style I dont think he will be here next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 10, 2016, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 09, 2016, 10:56:12 PM
Brunt should be fit Saturday, Evans possibly for Reading, but Morrison out until March I think.

Everton and Palace next up. Just in time to get tore to shreds like he did in the last games against them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 10, 2016, 02:03:42 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 01:39:40 PM
Which creative players aren't getting a game?

Berahino and Mcmanaman (Pre injury).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 10, 2016, 02:03:42 PM
Berahino and Mcmanaman (Pre injury).

Berahino is to blame for that, it's not like Pulis wouldn't be playing him if he was fit and raring to go.  Instead he's sulking and throwing his toys out of the pram.  Not great for the club but I don't think it's fair to put the entire blame on Pulis there.

McManaman is a fair shout, I thought he looked promising at the start of the season but McClean is preferred ahead of him and Sess tends to play on the other side. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on February 10, 2016, 02:38:07 PM
How on earth Lambert can be deemed fitter than Berahino I'll never know so I don't buy into that rubbish at all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 10, 2016, 02:47:51 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 10, 2016, 02:02:07 PM
Everton and Palace next up. Just in time to get tore to shreds like he did in the last games against them.
He will get torn a new one against Leicester that's coming up soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on February 10, 2016, 03:28:12 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 02:25:07 PM
Berahino is to blame for that, it's not like Pulis wouldn't be playing him if he was fit and raring to go.  Instead he's sulking and throwing his toys out of the pram.  Not great for the club but I don't think it's fair to put the entire blame on Pulis there.

McManaman is a fair shout, I thought he looked promising at the start of the season but McClean is preferred ahead of him and Sess tends to play on the other side.

His salking was (now 2 transfer windows ago) follow the guy on Twitter and Instagram... All he's been doing recently is putting up how much he's looking forward to his next game and pics/vids of him training etc etc. 

Pulis blatantly said in an interview (after saido scored) that he ain't had enough game time....then drops him to the bench for the next game! Pulis chooses who gets game time, pulis seems to choose who he likes as a person and who has a good attitude and runs their socks off etc... Those type of players are not winning us games.

I was a fan of pulis, but the past few games my eyes have been opened to how much of a complete clueless manager/coach he is
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 10, 2016, 03:31:49 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 02:25:07 PM
Berahino is to blame for that, it's not like Pulis wouldn't be playing him if he was fit and raring to go.  Instead he's sulking and throwing his toys out of the pram.  Not great for the club but I don't think it's fair to put the entire blame on Pulis there.

McManaman is a fair shout, I thought he looked promising at the start of the season but McClean is preferred ahead of him and Sess tends to play on the other side.

Is he still sulking though? There is no evidence of late to suggest that.

Is he any more unfit than Anichebe who up until Christmas had barely kicked a ball? Lambert - Looks like he has concrete boots on majority of the time? Rondon - Again looks so laboured at times and truly knackered?

To sum up a sulking, uninterested, unfit and overweight Berahino is still our top scorer and only striker who looks remotely like he can cause the opposition trouble. If he's still being left out for disciplinary reasons then I wish TP would just say so. What's the betting he scores tonight and doesn't start on Saturday?

As for Mcmanaman, Pulis was quoted that he was being kept out by the form of McLean. I don't buy this as they play on opposite sides. Even so when McLean was banned who did he pick? Gardner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on February 10, 2016, 03:37:23 PM
Do you reckon if we lose tonight and saturday he might go?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 10, 2016, 03:42:17 PM
Quote from: crazedwbafan18 on February 10, 2016, 03:37:23 PM
Do you reckon if we lose tonight and saturday he might go?

Hope so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 10, 2016, 03:31:49 PM
Is he still sulking though? There is no evidence of late to suggest that.

Is he any more unfit than Anichebe who up until Christmas had barely kicked a ball? Lambert - Looks like he has concrete boots on majority of the time? Rondon - Again looks so laboured at times and truly knackered?

To sum up a sulking, uninterested, unfit and overweight Berahino is still our top scorer and only striker who looks remotely like he can cause the opposition trouble. If he's still being left out for disciplinary reasons then I wish TP would just say so. What's the betting he scores tonight and doesn't start on Saturday?

As for Mcmanaman, Pulis was quoted that he was being kept out by the form of McLean. I don't buy this as they play on opposite sides. Even so when McLean was banned who did he pick? Gardner.

Regarding Berahino, I think he should be starting, he's clearly out best striker.  It benefits the club to have him playing and scoring goals.  We get the points, he gets the recognition.  I know people like to invent motivations for Pulis, but maybe, he's right in saying that Berahino isn't currently fit enough for 90 mins?  I just don't get why anyone would think that Pulis would sabotage West Brom and his job.  And it's not like when Berahino has come on he's looked the fittest.

I'd hope he starts tonight and Saturday because, to be honest, if he doesn't play then I can't see where goals are going to come from.

I wouldn't start McManaman ahead of Sess and Sess usually occupies wide right for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 10, 2016, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: crazedwbafan18 on February 10, 2016, 03:37:23 PM
Do you reckon if we lose tonight and saturday he might go?

only if he walked himself, no way would JP give him the boot
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 10, 2016, 06:47:58 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 10, 2016, 04:05:09 PM
only if he walked himself, no way would JP give him the boot
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-jeremy-peace-house-10866686

If JP starts getting twitchy about protecting his investment Pulis's head will roll
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 10, 2016, 07:37:46 PM
Quote from: crazedwbafan18 on February 10, 2016, 03:37:23 PM
Do you reckon if we lose tonight and saturday he might go?

I've been a Pulis supporter but I've seen us play some proper horrors lately and my view has massively diminished.

Lose tonight and I think he definitely should go. But he won't be sacked I don't think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 10, 2016, 09:13:15 PM
I agree with you kid pulis  has squeezed any skill our players have out of them. I'm scared for us now unless we can pull something out of the bag we need a worldy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 10, 2016, 09:15:15 PM
Fletch just got the world!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 10, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
He's gorra gew Tom*


*At the end of the season when he's secured our league status.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 10, 2016, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: BB74 on February 10, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
He's gorra gew Tom*


*At the end of the season when he's secured our league status.

He has to go if we want to secure our league status!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 10, 2016, 10:43:49 PM
Did anyone hear him shouting all match?! I wouldn't want my boss shouting at me whilst I'm trying to concentrate on my job !  Not sure he needs to tell premier league players where to pass it move ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 10, 2016, 10:58:11 PM
Fans do it all the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 10, 2016, 11:09:56 PM
Quote from: darbolina on February 10, 2016, 10:43:49 PM
Did anyone hear him shouting all match?! I wouldn't want my boss shouting at me whilst I'm trying to concentrate on my job !  Not sure he needs to tell premier league players where to pass it move ?
After that assist from Mclean for posh first goal he had to Mclean loses focus sometimes and was squaring unnecessarily while the man was there to be beat
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 10, 2016, 11:15:17 PM
He's like an eighties designer hooligan with his nice white trainers on, he's lost both the players and followers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 11:19:25 PM
Quote from: darbolina on February 10, 2016, 10:43:49 PM
Did anyone hear him shouting all match?! I wouldn't want my boss shouting at me whilst I'm trying to concentrate on my job !  Not sure he needs to tell premier league players where to pass it move ?
Anyone who has ever played football will tell you the value in having someone shouting instructions.  It's not like an office job where you're typing away and a boss is screaming at you.  Most of the time, from what I could hear, he was telling Berahino to come short for throw ins because he was too far away, and getting McClean to take his man on.  Once again, criticism where he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.  If he'd have not been shouting instructions you'd have complained about him not being bothered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 10, 2016, 11:37:22 PM
He was continuously shouting take him on, what dictionary  had he been reading today
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on February 10, 2016, 11:43:33 PM
well tony its now pretty obvious we cant even play 442 or 531 even against 1st division sides,it was pretty obvious after 10 mins that our midfield was being overrun,why even experiment with 531 noneone knew where they where playing we looked like total strangers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: don1thedon on February 10, 2016, 11:48:07 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/02/10/tony-pulis-dragging-albion-players-into-training/
TP not happy!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on February 10, 2016, 11:50:17 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 11:19:25 PM
Anyone who has ever played football will tell you the value in having someone shouting instructions.  It's not like an office job where you're typing away and a boss is screaming at you.  Most of the time, from what I could hear, he was telling Berahino to come short for throw ins because he was too far away, and getting McClean to take his man on.  Once again, criticism where he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.  If he'd have not been shouting instructions you'd have complained about him not being bothered.
The problem with keeping Pulis is you can almost unequivocally guarantee he would never sign a player like Samuelson with the requisite technical ability to make us less one dimensional and functional.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 11, 2016, 12:34:52 AM
Today's tactical master class. A 3-5-2 with a deep sitting defensive midfielder so we dropped back and formed a 5-3-2. Two Centre forwards who spent the entire 1st half looking at each other while balls either sailed over their heads or were easily cut out by the Posh midfield i.e. neither were making a move towards the ball. A midfield that   is totally broken as evidenced by the fact that the Division One team enjoyed the lion's share of possession and we then squandered what little possession we had. Do we actually work with a ball during the week?

This is nothing new it is the same old routine and it has long since worn very thin with me. We might be through to the next round of the cup and just two games away from Wembley but frankly that is totally irrelevant because on current form as soon as we run into team with anything about them we will be out of the cup.

To be honest I would be happier with a coach that sat on the touchline in reflective silence and had an ounce of attacking intent or a game plan that extended beyond stopping the opposition  playing. For his bluster Pulis is a one trick pony and it isn't a very good trick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 11, 2016, 12:54:32 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 11, 2016, 12:34:52 AM
Today's tactical master class. A 3-5-2 with a deep sitting defensive midfielder so we dropped back and formed a 5-3-2. Two Centre forwards who spent the entire 1st half looking at each other while balls either sailed over their heads or were easily cut out by the Posh midfield i.e. neither were making a move towards the ball. A midfield that   is totally broken as evidenced by the fact that the Division One team enjoyed the lion's share of possession and we then squandered what little possession we had. Do we actually work with a ball during the week?

This is nothing new it is the same old routine and it has long since worn very thin with me. We might be through to the next round of the cup and just two games away from Wembley but frankly that is totally irrelevant because on current form as soon as we run into team with anything about them we will be out of the cup.

To be honest I would be happier with a coach that sat on the touchline in reflective silence and had an ounce of attacking intent or a game plan that extended beyond stopping the opposition  playing. For his bluster Pulis is a one trick pony and it isn't a very good trick.

don't worry mate, he's got them in early tomorrow.

bet you Everton are sh1tting bricks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 01:05:42 AM
Got to be honest I have tried to defend the bloke. After he kept us up last season he deserved to be given time this season and unlike some I have been prepared to do so, took some petty stick for it but tonight is a turning point and if things do not change very quickly he has to go.

I'm not fickle, well no more than most of us are at some stages. I didn't want him in the first place but events led us to need him and he earned the right despite some poor football to be given the chance this season, I have been happy to give him that chance, many haven't which is their right.

Not quite at the Pulis out level yet but he needs to get things sorted and get this squad playing for him and us. I won't be throwing toys out and threatening boycotting if he's still here as I support West Brom regardless of who is in charge and will never be embarrassed to support this club or wear my colours anywhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 11, 2016, 03:32:42 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 01:05:42 AM
Got to be honest I have tried to defend the bloke. After he kept us up last season he deserved to be given time this season and unlike some I have been prepared to do so, took some petty stick for it but tonight is a turning point and if things do not change very quickly he has to go.

I'm not fickle, well no more than most of us are at some stages. I didn't want him in the first place but events led us to need him and he earned the right despite some poor football to be given the chance this season, I have been happy to give him that chance, many haven't which is their right.

Not quite at the Pulis out level yet but he needs to get things sorted and get this squad playing for him and us. I won't be throwing toys out and threatening boycotting if he's still here as I support West Brom regardless of who is in charge and will never be embarrassed to support this club or wear my colours anywhere.
Nail on the head Oldbury thats exactly how i feel the midfield set up is killing us Sess and or Pritchard should start everymatch my patience is depleting with the midfield and Rondon but he must act now.Yes Rondon is not getting good service but has he helped himself?now he dont even put in the shift he used to and his passing is terrible thats Pulis's white elephant
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 11, 2016, 06:00:03 AM
Didn't hear one positive comment or any backing Tony Pulis in the away end last night. Not one. There will still be a few that back him no doubt but he is dangerously close to completely losing the fans.

My worry is that he's lost the players too - didn't look to be a lot of fight in those boys, they don't look like they enjoy their work and the lack of reaction when we won the shootout speaks volumes.

First away I've been to in a while due to finances, moving house etc, and whilst I had an enjoyable evening with the lads the football was absolutely diabolical. To see a League One team shift the ball and pass and move so well compared to our statues and plodders was soul destroying.

Pulis OUT.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 11, 2016, 06:53:05 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 11:19:25 PM
Anyone who has ever played football will tell you the value in having someone shouting instructions.  It's not like an office job where you're typing away and a boss is screaming at you.  Most of the time, from what I could hear, he was telling Berahino to come short for throw ins because he was too far away, and getting McClean to take his man on.  Once again, criticism where he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.  If he'd have not been shouting instructions you'd have complained about him not being bothered.

I don't think footballers need someone shouting in their face all match , maybe young kids do but we have experienced pros who might need occasional support but he's over the top. Fair play to Pulis for enthusiasm but I don't see many other managers needing to do it? They put their energies into coaching during the week instead and trust they have the right men in the right places.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 11, 2016, 06:57:55 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 11, 2016, 06:00:03 AM


My worry is that he's lost the players too - didn't look to be a lot of fight in those boys, they don't look like they enjoy their work and the lack of reaction when we won the shootout speaks volumes.


The players were clearly not together the Bbc commented a few times on that. Anyone that thinks we're a happy squad moving calmly to survival is in denial I'm afraid. There's big problems which I think Pulis has a few games to show he can sort , otherwise the fans will be all over him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on February 11, 2016, 07:21:54 AM
next home game be the crunch game his old club palace at home , if thay get there million quid back and we lose being a late kick of and fans been drinking longer could get nasty .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on February 11, 2016, 07:41:01 AM
Quote from: darbolina on February 11, 2016, 06:53:05 AM
I don't think footballers need someone shouting in their face all match , maybe young kids do but we have experienced pros who might need occasional support but he's over the top. Fair play to Pulis for enthusiasm but I don't see many other managers needing to do it? They put their energies into coaching during the week instead and trust they have the right men in the right places.

Shouting at the players to do things and actually coaching them to do things are 2 different things and what I see with my eyes tells me with regard to pass and move , and taking people on there is simply not enough emphasis on it at the training ground.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BRIAN on February 11, 2016, 07:49:36 AM
WE WON!!! Not one happy comment. I know we were dreadful, but try and enjoy for once in a while. With our luck we could reach Wembley.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 11, 2016, 08:02:37 AM
Quote from: BRIAN on February 11, 2016, 07:49:36 AM
WE WON!!! Not one happy comment. I know we were dreadful, but try and enjoy for once in a while. With our luck we could reach Wembley.

We didn't win though. We drew and went through on penalties.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 11, 2016, 08:03:02 AM
Quote from: BRIAN on February 11, 2016, 07:49:36 AM
WE WON!!! Not one happy comment. I know we were dreadful, but try and enjoy for once in a while. With our luck we could reach Wembley.

I think he has got luck on he's side, we improved last night after a dreadfully embarrassing first half, all the pundits were tearing us to shreds.

Happy we got through that is the main thing in the cup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on February 11, 2016, 08:18:34 AM
I've had enough of him. I can persevere with him until the end of the season as he may grind out survival and I can't see an upheaval in management sorting things out as quickly as we'd need it to.

I just want somebody young and hungry as manager who will mix creativity with grit and want to sign exciting young players as well as experience.

However if he has lost the dressing room then that changes everything. Fletcher to step up as player-caretaker-manager until the end of the season with one of the clubs coaches stepping up alongside him, like big Dave or something?! Could be a disaster that but I'm not sure who could see us through until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 11, 2016, 08:28:22 AM
Firstly I'm not against him but i thought with the Albion stand being behind him he got the message loud and clear  last night with chants of "Pulis ,Pulis sort it out " and "Attack,Attack...."
Plenty of lower volume "We  had a shot " , "We got a fullback on our pitch" in a more joking fashion too.
I don"t think things have fully turned yet and most seem to accept our huge injury list but I'd say the natives are heading towards getting restless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 11, 2016, 08:32:33 AM
Quote from: darbolina on February 10, 2016, 10:43:49 PM
Did anyone hear him shouting all match?! I wouldn't want my boss shouting at me whilst I'm trying to concentrate on my job !  Not sure he needs to tell premier league players where to pass it move ?


Pulis, is cunning & generally unemotional, most of what he does is thought through. I would suggest that the shouting was to distract Westley, who stood about 3 yards from him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dale on February 11, 2016, 08:56:56 AM
I think we will survive. The problem is there is nobody out there  any better that we could get. They may play prettier football but they won't keep us up because the squad only know one way to play.

Pulis needs to find the balance. The frustrating thing is he found it when we switched to 4-4-2 and Sess came on after the goal. Why we did not start like that is beyond me? I know Peterborough are a good team going forward and score lots of goals, so I get the cautious approach and defensive organisation which to be fair we never looked troubled apart from the goal they scored. Foster did not need to pull off any good saves did he? But going forwards we are so slow and devoid of any creativity until Sess came on like I said and then we had some supply for Rondon and Saido who looked like towards the end they were forming a little bit of a partnership. Rondon I'm still 50-50. Sometimes he looks good sometimes he's dreadful and looks overwreight. But Pulis needs to find that balance between defence and attack.

We'll be okay we will survive in my opinon. We will scrape the points we need to as he's a genius at that. Question is then do we get rid of him in the summer or do we stick with him and back him with the players he wants? That's the big queston for me. It's very similar to the situation at West Ham and big Sam. Maybe have a chat with him and see if he can change his ways and back him. We all know that he wanted Matt Phillips, Jamie Vardy and Charlie Austin. We didn't get any. So lets get to the summer and then re-asses. No point getting rid of him now because we WILL go down if we do in my opinion.

Anyway I am happy we are through to the next round of the FA Cup. Onwards and upwards  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 09:05:08 AM
Quote from: darbolina on February 11, 2016, 06:53:05 AM
I don't think footballers need someone shouting in their face all match , maybe young kids do but we have experienced pros who might need occasional support but he's over the top. Fair play to Pulis for enthusiasm but I don't see many other managers needing to do it? They put their energies into coaching during the week instead and trust they have the right men in the right places.

I think you'll find pretty much every manager shouts at their players through the game.  The difference is last night it was picked up on the mic.   The only one I can think of who doesn't is Van Gaal and that's because he gets Giggs to do it.

My issue is that if Pulis WASN'T shouting on the sidelines people would use that as a stick to beat him with. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 11, 2016, 09:06:30 AM
Why not try the following , certainly at home against Palace?

              Foster
Gamboa McAuley Evans Brunt
Sess Sandro Flecther McLean
        Berahino
          Rondon
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 09:09:27 AM
Quote from: darbolina on February 11, 2016, 09:06:30 AM
Why not try the following , certainly at home against Palace?

              Foster
Gamboa McAuley Evans Brunt
Sess Sandro Flecther McLean
        Berahino
          Rondon

Got to be worth a go I think. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 11, 2016, 09:10:50 AM
Quote from: darbolina on February 11, 2016, 09:06:30 AM
Why not try the following , certainly at home against Palace?

              Foster
Gamboa McAuley Evans Brunt
Sess Sandro Flecther McLean
        Berahino
          Rondon

Probably wouldn't be secure enough down our right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 11, 2016, 09:55:12 AM
While Pulis is still in charge, don't you think it's a little disrespectful to discuss his replacement?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 11, 2016, 09:59:07 AM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on February 11, 2016, 09:55:12 AM
While Pulis is still in charge, don't you think it's a little disrespectful to discuss his replacement?

I respectfully disagree. We always talk about players who need replacing and who those new players might be. Also, the club apparently scout the next manager while the current one is in place. As long as posters aren't organising a protest or making derogatory comments I think it is a good talking point to discuss our next manager. Fans do it up the ground all the time in a non malicious way 'I wouldn't mind seeing X up here when Pulis, Hodgson, Mowbray etc moves on'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 11, 2016, 10:03:04 AM
Personally, I believe the only two scenarios that would see a change in "Manager/Head Coach in the immediate future are:

a) A change in ownership

b) If we were to be relegated

New owners would have the option to appoint their own Manager & relegation would probably mean a total re-work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 10:21:58 AM
I didn't think we talked about replacement managers on here while we still have one in charge.  It's been said several times i think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 10:21:58 AM
I didn't think we talked about replacement managers on here while we still have one in charge.  It's been said several times i think.

We don't, some disagree with our decision but it won't change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on February 11, 2016, 10:30:41 AM
This witchhunt i see every day on social media is pathetic.
So is the theory of that we should play a certain way as were too good to play this sort of football, we have played some decent football this seaon but we are being destroyed by injuries to key players.

We are 6th points above the bottom 3 and 2 games away from wembley in the cup.

Let's all take a step back and just remember where we were in the 90s.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 11, 2016, 10:33:43 AM
Quote from: Sted1990 on February 11, 2016, 10:30:41 AM
This witchhunt i see every day on social media is pathetic.
So is the theory of that we should play a certain way as were too good to play this sort of football, we have played some decent football this seaon but we are being destroyed by injuries to key players.

We are 6th points above the bottom 3 and 2 games away from wembley in the cup.

Let's all take a step back and just remember where we were in the 90s.

That's like saying humans shouldn't want to better themselves now because look how we lived in the prehistoric era.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 11, 2016, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: baggiepoint on February 11, 2016, 10:14:13 AM
Every Manager wastes money at Liverpool it's part of the Job description!! His work at Swansea was excellent and more of a continental style in the running of the club. But Moyes may fit us better

The Swansea setup was put in place by Martinez and was well established by the time he took over. He fell on his face at Reading and Liverpool where a full rebuild was needed. Pulis isn't even half way through his rebuild so why would Peace rip it up and start again?

Everybody in the would could see selling Berahino and freshening up the squad with 2-3 replacements was needed. Peace's stubbornness has effectively put the brake on the rebuild until the summer. Why would he sack the head coach when the Berahino decision was his alone?

Pulis is still his man and is the convenient scapegoat for him. Pulis has the thick skin to take the flack while finishing 10th-14th and getting to the last 8 of the FA Cup. (That's a good season whether you want him out or not.) Let's face it the only people moaning and shouting Pulis Out are the ones who didn't want him last December when he replaced Irvine. They have been waiting patiently for 12 months for a bad run to start.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 10:38:44 AM
Quote from: BB74 on February 11, 2016, 10:33:43 AM
That's like saying humans shouldn't want to better themselves now because look how we lived in the prehistoric era.
Nobody is saying we shouldn't want to improve, we all want to improve, just that our position isn't quite as doom and gloom as some make it out to be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 11, 2016, 10:39:34 AM
pulis is still here and will still be here next season so i don't know why people are talking about replacements

talk about a lack of respect
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on February 11, 2016, 10:40:05 AM
Quote from: BB74 on February 11, 2016, 10:33:43 AM
That's like saying humans shouldn't want to better themselves now because look how we lived in the prehistoric era.

No its me saying lets get behind the manager and not forget where we came from, in the 90s we would have loved this sort of season in the prem. 6 point above the bottom 3 and into the 5th round of the cup, with a team full of internationals

Pulis is going nowhere so lets back the man and the team, the booing helps no one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on February 11, 2016, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 10:22:50 AM
We don't, some disagree with our decision but it won't change.
If fans want to discuss a replacement manager then they should be free to do so. i  did not realise the site was a dictatorship
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: mikehy on February 11, 2016, 10:43:50 AM
If fans want to discuss a replacement manager then they should be free to do so. i  did not realise the site was a dictatorship

Its something that has been on this site for many years and won't change, bit like in the rules about moaning in topics. Always a dictatorship when someone doesn't agree with something.

If you have a problem pm someone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on February 11, 2016, 11:49:29 AM
If you want to watch Pulis numb your mind for a week longer then I think you've got to be a bit mad myself. How anyone can watch that last night and take a positive is beyond me. Peterboro passed it around us like a Premier league team should. Even our simplest passes were off target and there is not a single remnant of an idea in attack when we do win the ball back after sitting back from minute 1.

I've always supported his appointment because he was what we needed at the time and I felt that at Palace he had showed he knew how to mix styles. It turns out that he actually had some very good attacking players at Palace who naturally played that way, who Pardew has gone on to use very well too.

He has showed nothing in these past 5 weeks that suggests he knows how to turn the results around. You cannot on a weekly basis be as negative as this because it coaches the ambition and the confidence out of the players and it was more visible last night than at any other point in time.

He is finished and although he wont get sacked, I'm certain he will walk if we take a hammering at Everton followed by another defeat. I've heard some very concerning tales from training that support Michael Owens comments on BT Sport recently. It seems to me that Pulis' plan B is shout louder and defend harder. But you cant work the players into the ground and into their shells, its a recipe for disaster keep setting up the way we do. You have to get on the front foot and relieve some of the pressure put on yourself.

Worst football at West Brom for over ten years in my opinion. I hope he turns it around to make sure we stay up but we look like a side on an uncontrollable slide at the moment. Keown et al were laughing at us last night.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 11, 2016, 11:50:31 AM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on February 11, 2016, 09:55:12 AM
While Pulis is still in charge, don't you think it's a little disrespectful to discuss his replacement?

I would imagine the club already are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 11, 2016, 11:50:31 AM
I would imagine the club already are.

To hear them talk they have lists drawn up but its not out in the open who is on those lists which is why we on here try to avoid it whilst we have a bloke still in charge. Some agree with us, some don't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 11, 2016, 11:56:30 AM
Unfortunately I think our players are ruled by fear, and therefore cant express themselves,because you can't tell me that you go onto the pitch to lose you want to beat your opposition every time don't you?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 11, 2016, 11:56:39 AM
Quote from: Dale on February 11, 2016, 08:56:56 AM
I think we will survive. The problem is there is nobody out there  any better that we could get. They may play prettier football but they won't keep us up because the squad only know one way to play.

Pulis needs to find the balance. The frustrating thing is he found it when we switched to 4-4-2 and Sess came on after the goal. Why we did not start like that is beyond me? I know Peterborough are a good team going forward and score lots of goals, so I get the cautious approach and defensive organisation which to be fair we never looked troubled apart from the goal they scored. Foster did not need to pull off any good saves did he? But going forwards we are so slow and devoid of any creativity until Sess came on like I said and then we had some supply for Rondon and Saido who looked like towards the end they were forming a little bit of a partnership. Rondon I'm still 50-50. Sometimes he looks good sometimes he's dreadful and looks overwreight. But Pulis needs to find that balance between defence and attack.

We'll be okay we will survive in my opinon. We will scrape the points we need to as he's a genius at that. Question is then do we get rid of him in the summer or do we stick with him and back him with the players he wants? That's the big queston for me. It's very similar to the situation at West Ham and big Sam. Maybe have a chat with him and see if he can change his ways and back him. We all know that he wanted Matt Phillips, Jamie Vardy and Charlie Austin. We didn't get any. So lets get to the summer and then re-asses. No point getting rid of him now because we WILL go down if we do in my opinion.

Anyway I am happy we are through to the next round of the FA Cup. Onwards and upwards  :D

I disagree. Many of our players have shown that they can play football in the past under different managers / styles be that here or elsewhere. Granted some of our players just aren't good enough but I really think they are being strangled by Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 11, 2016, 11:57:44 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 11, 2016, 11:50:31 AM
I would imagine the club already are.

If were not allowed to discuss potential managerial replacements then logically the whole transfer section of this forum should also be shut down as it serves exactly the same function.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on February 11, 2016, 11:58:10 AM
A Pocognoli interview that says all you need to know: http://sportmagazine.levif.be/sport/foot-national/pocognoli-west-brom-n-en-a-pas-fini-avec-moi/article-normal-466389.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 (Translated)

Your last game in the Premier League on 26 December 2014 against Manchester City. Three days later, the manager Alan Irvine was sacked. Do this was a turning point for you?

Pocognoli: Alan Irvine and technical director, Terry Burton, had convinced me to come to West Bromwich. I pretty much played until the start of Irvine but Pulis has not given. It's incomprehensible. It deprived me unreasonably lucky to do my job.

Did you felt happen?

Pocognoli: A little. Pulis is these managers who want security. The draw is sacrosanct for him. He has another hobby horse: he likes to align central defenders on the flanks. Big burly fellows who think above all to defend. At our first meeting, he literally said, "You're too aggressive for my tactical instructions." So I do not fit into his plans. I first thought I was new to English football and he did not know me but I soon changed my mind. He does not just hear about a back that up.

You seem to take it in stride?

Pocognoli: Many players spend their time complaining at home. I do not want to let me go. I have no choice: I have to shut up and work hard. I spared no one in training. I astreins to jogging sessions and, in summer, I even kept my pace with the reserves, twice. I want to be ready at all times.

Do you know the projects of West Brom to yourself?

Pocognoli: The club is looking for a new rear left for months as I have not played one minute in this championship. It's the world upside down ! I was made to play in Cup to put myself in the window. I grabbed my chance and now, perhaps the club will understand that he does not need new player in my position. If I had played badly, he could have said: "You see it in its place on the bench or in the stands." While it was legitimate that I can not find all of my feelings during my first match after a year's absence.

So we politely pushes you towards the exit?

Pocognoli: Management engages in little psychological games with me. Since November, it's always the same refrain: Do not you want to play a month in a two division club? Month or two at the other end of England?

If manager Tony Pulis remains, yet you have no future at West Brom?

Pocognoli: Towards and against all, I am convinced that by working hard and staying copy, sooner or later I will get another chance. Of course, one time it's over. So I'm open to a new adventure. I know the Netherlands, Germany and England.

Why not discover the Serie A? I'm italian. It does not have to be a club which is playing in the Champions League every season. We must be humble when you have played for a year. In my situation, I have to weigh all proposals.

Alain Eliasy

Read the full interview with Sébastien Pocognoli in your Sport / Foot Magazine

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A little. Pulis is these managers who want security. The draw is sacrosanct for him. He has another hobby horse: he likes to align central defenders on the flanks. Big burly fellows who think above all to defend. At our first meeting, he literally said, "You're too aggressive for my tactical instructions." So I do not fit into his plans. I first thought I was new to English football and he did not know me but I soon changed my mind. He does not just hear about a back  

I know some of the translation comes across hilariously but there are genuine concerns there :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 12:03:12 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 11, 2016, 11:57:44 AM
If were not allowed to discuss potential managerial replacements then logically the whole transfer section of this forum should also be shut down as it serves exactly the same function.

Given that those rumours in the transfer section are all in the public domain its a different kettle of fish, those transfer rumours also differ in that the players moving either in or out are not directly replacing someone in a specific role.

It would be nice if whether someone likes a decision we make or not running this forum that they actually respected it once in a while.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 11, 2016, 12:09:29 PM
Quote from: Pelada on February 11, 2016, 11:58:10 AM
A Pocognoli interview that says all you need to know: http://sportmagazine.levif.be/sport/foot-national/pocognoli-west-brom-n-en-a-pas-fini-avec-moi/article-normal-466389.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

It sounds like hell to work under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 11, 2016, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 12:03:12 PM
Given that those rumours in the transfer section are all in the public domain its a different kettle of fish, those transfer rumours also differ in that the players moving either in or out are not directly replacing someone in a specific role.

It would be nice if whether someone likes a decision we make or not running this forum that they actually respected it once in a while.

Im afraid I disagree. There is a whole thread of 66 pages called    
'WHO SHOULD WE SIGN - DO NOT JUST NAME PLAYERS RANDOMLY' full of opinions of random names which are not actual rumours with any substance or reported in the press. Just players who members of this forum would want us to sign.

There are also plenty of managerial rumours in the public domain. For example the Pep appointment at Man City was hardly the shock of the year. There is also numerous rumours in the press about who is going to take charge of Manchester United after Van Gaal.

Finally when we are linked or do sign for example, a goalkeeper, its clear we are directly replacing somebody in a specific role.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on February 11, 2016, 12:22:50 PM
I don't see the problem with talking about managerial targets either to be honest. However, if the guys that run the site  want to adopt a different policy that is their right and I'm sure they have their reasons why. We should respect their wishes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 11, 2016, 12:24:47 PM
If that were me, I'd definitely want to go out on loan to put myself in the shop window, & I'd be pushing my agent like mad to get me a move.

And yet, Poco hasn't gone out on loan & there have been no offers for him (as far as I know).

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 11, 2016, 12:25:47 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 11, 2016, 12:19:41 PM
Im afraid I disagree. There is a whole thread of 66 pages called    
'WHO SHOULD WE SIGN - DO NOT JUST NAME PLAYERS RANDOMLY' full of opinions of random names which are not actual rumours with any substance or reported in the press. Just players who members of this forum would want us to sign.

There are also plenty of managerial rumours in the public domain. For example the Pep appointment at Man City was hardly the shock of the year. There is also numerous rumours in the press about who is going to take charge of Manchester United after Van Gaal.

Finally when we are linked or do sign for example, a goalkeeper, its clear we are directly replacing somebody in a specific role.


The point is that discussing incoming player transfers doesn't effect any of our current players. We don't operate on a swap system where if we want to bring in a winger we have to get rid of McClean.

You talk about goalkeepers, but Lindegaard came in and hasn't replaced anyone. With Managers/Head Coaches, there's only one person that can be replaced.

It's not a rule that's new for this regime, it's been in place since the Robson era (I think, might be Mowbray).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 11, 2016, 12:19:41 PM
Im afraid I disagree. There is a whole thread of 66 pages called    
'WHO SHOULD WE SIGN - DO NOT JUST NAME PLAYERS RANDOMLY' full of opinions of random names which are not actual rumours with any substance or reported in the press. Just players who members of this forum would want us to sign.

There are also plenty of managerial rumours in the public domain. For example the Pep appointment at Man City was hardly the shock of the year. There is also numerous rumours in the press about who is going to take charge of Manchester United after Van Gaal.

Finally when we are linked or do sign for example, a goalkeeper, its clear we are directly replacing somebody in a specific role.

You disagree thats fine, some do, some don't but how about if you have an issue sending a pm instead of filling a topic up with a complaint and respecting our decisions ?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 12:31:53 PM
For those that disagree with our decision which has been in place for a good few years, longer than I can think to be honest as we are a fair site a vote will be made by the mods and admin, there's 8 of us so if its a tie then we'll think what to do to decide it.

Cannot be much fair than that can we ??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 11, 2016, 12:45:09 PM
Thank you thats very fair.

If you decide against then I will respect and follow the rules and will not break them even if I disagree with them  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 11, 2016, 12:47:03 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 12:31:53 PM
For those that disagree with our decision which has been in place for a good few years, longer than I can think to be honest as we are a fair site a vote will be made by the mods and admin, there's 8 of us so if its a tie then we'll think what to do to decide it.

Cannot be much fair than that can we ??
if its a tie how about letting posters vote in a poll.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 11, 2016, 12:47:03 PM
if its a tie how about letting posters vote in a poll.

or maybe let the site donators decide !!

Lets see how it goes with the mods/ admin first, I honestly have no idea what they will vote.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 11, 2016, 02:20:15 PM
Did anyone else find his constant shrieking a bit weird? Was very audible on TV and didn't seem to make much sense and only served to confuse the players. Was a bit like an over zealous dad at a kid's game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on February 11, 2016, 02:35:10 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on February 11, 2016, 02:20:15 PM
Did anyone else find his constant shrieking a bit weird? Was very audible on TV and didn't seem to make much sense and only served to confuse the players. Was a bit like an over zealous dad at a kid's game.

Sounded all a bit 'PE teacher' didn't it.  ;D

'Take him on James'
'Do him Sess'
'Keep going Saido'
'Come on Salo'

Then again, people have slated him for boring tactics, yet all you can hear him shout is him encouraging blokes to get forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 11, 2016, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: Morany on February 11, 2016, 02:35:10 PM
Sounded all a bit 'PE teacher' didn't it.  ;D

'Take him on James'
'Do him Sess'
'Keep going Saido'
'Come on Salo'

Then again, people have slated him for boring tactics, yet all you can hear him shout is him encouraging blokes to get forward.

Probably a good reason why we looked so bleeding clueless.

He says one thing in training and another on the day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 11, 2016, 03:10:58 PM
Quote from: Morany on February 11, 2016, 02:35:10 PM
Sounded all a bit 'PE teacher' didn't it.  ;D

'Take him on James'
'Do him Sess'
'Keep going Saido'
'Come on Salo'

Then again, people have slated him for boring tactics, yet all you can hear him shout is him encouraging blokes to get forward.
There was one point where he seemed to be telling Gamboa to aim his throw-in at Saido and I thought, hang on, if I can hear you from my setee, I'm sure Saido's marker can  :D
The throw went to a Peterborough player as did 90% of our throws, or so it seemed to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on February 11, 2016, 03:10:58 PM
There was one point where he seemed to be telling Gamboa to aim his throw-in at Saido and I thought, hang on, if I can hear you from my setee, I'm sure Saido's marker can  :D
The throw went to a Peterborough player as did 90% of our throws, or so it seemed to me.
I think there was a mic close by which is why people are going on about it.  I think I know the bit you mean, Berahino kept standing way too far out for throw ins.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 11, 2016, 04:40:48 PM
There was a situation toward the end where Gardner was over a free kick,
TP was bellowing give it to mac, McLean was on the touchline, Gards looked across at TP as if to say are you serious? TP repeated give it to Mac, Gards duly obliged,  Mac immediately went to cut inside and lost it as the defender knew full well what was going to occur.

I'm all for encourageent but bullying players into doing your bidding AND telling the oppo what is going to happen is just plain daft.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 11, 2016, 08:55:15 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 12:58:00 PM
or maybe let the site donators decide !!

Lets see how it goes with the mods/ admin first, I honestly have no idea what they will vote.
good idea. personally  I think the rule as it stands should stay.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggyman68 on February 11, 2016, 09:50:07 PM
Quote from: Albionic on February 11, 2016, 04:40:48 PM
There was a situation toward the end where Gardner was over a free kick,
TP was bellowing give it to mac, McLean was on the touchline, Gards looked across at TP as if to say are you serious? TP repeated give it to Mac, Gards duly obliged,  Mac immediately went to cut inside and lost it as the defender knew full well what was going to occur.

I'm all for encourageent but bullying players into doing your bidding AND telling the oppo what is going to happen is just plain daft.

Didn't saint gary megson do the same every match? don't remember a thread slagging him for it! If pulis sat on the bench motionless people would slag him off for that as well!
Yes we're going through a poor patch at the moment but how about waiting till we've got most of the injured players back and then judging before calling for him to be sacked.
Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't! After all we could, with this boards track record, end up with Irvine mark 2!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 11, 2016, 10:28:22 PM
Quote from: Albionic on February 11, 2016, 04:40:48 PM
There was a situation toward the end where Gardner was over a free kick,
TP was bellowing give it to mac, McLean was on the touchline, Gards looked across at TP as if to say are you serious? TP repeated give it to Mac, Gards duly obliged,  Mac immediately went to cut inside and lost it as the defender knew full well what was going to occur.

I'm all for encourageent but bullying players into doing your bidding AND telling the oppo what is going to happen is just plain daft.

Indeed, I'm all for hands on management but there comes a point when professional footballers need to be trusted to make their own decisions - that particular incident was embarrassing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 11, 2016, 10:32:38 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 11, 2016, 10:37:40 AM
Let's face it the only people moaning and shouting Pulis Out are the ones who didn't want him last December when he replaced Irvine. They have been waiting patiently for 12 months for a bad run to start.

I'm sorry but this is just not true at all. Pulis was given plenty of credit last season and rightly so, we had vastly improved. Since the summer though he has wasted millions and we have gone backwards. Everyone was singing his name when he arrived.

Tell you what, if you want your beloved Pulis back you can have him, I'll drive him there. I'll give him a bloody piggy back if that's what it takes to get him away from my football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 11, 2016, 11:33:24 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 12:31:53 PM
For those that disagree with our decision which has been in place for a good few years, longer than I can think to be honest as we are a fair site a vote will be made by the mods and admin, there's 8 of us so if its a tie then we'll think what to do to decide it.

Cannot be much fair than that can we ??
Penalties  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 11:36:10 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on February 11, 2016, 11:33:24 PM
Penalties  :D

We'd be here all week  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2016, 08:18:16 AM
so what games do you think pulis will get us over the line, Norwich at home the first must win i suspect
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 12, 2016, 08:29:55 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2016, 08:18:16 AM
so what games do you think pulis will get us over the line, Norwich at home the first must win i suspect

Yeah I'd say Norwich has to be one then were looking at two more from somewhere, I still suspect there will be three worse teams though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 12, 2016, 09:09:34 AM
Yup, we just need 3 teams from all the ones below us to have worse results than us between now and the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 12, 2016, 09:14:37 AM
Think we'll get maximum points from Palace, Norwich and either Watford or West Ham, added to draws against Man Utd, Sunderland and Spurs should see us safe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 12, 2016, 09:34:31 AM
His interviews are comedy gold. He is a plank of the highest order.

TP: "Saido's nowhere near as fit or sharp as we want him, it's going to take a bit of time but hopefully we can get him to good level." #WBA

If he dont play he won't be fit. Is this bloke an idiot?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 12, 2016, 09:38:18 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 11, 2016, 10:37:40 AM
Let's face it the only people moaning and shouting Pulis Out are the ones who didn't want him last December when he replaced Irvine. They have been waiting patiently for 12 months for a bad run to start.

Absolutely wrong and you know it. Pulis has turned many against him with poor results, awful football and wasteful transfer deals.  Granted there are some who want him gone regardless, they only see bad but conversely you only see good, you are  no more objective than they are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: koren on February 12, 2016, 09:39:11 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 12, 2016, 09:34:31 AM
His interviews are comedy gold. He is a plank of the highest order.

TP: "Saido's nowhere near as fit or sharp as we want him, it's going to take a bit of time but hopefully we can get him to good level." #WBA

If he dont play he won't be fit. Is this bloke an idiot?
Played 120 mins last game but still not fit lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 12, 2016, 09:40:20 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 12, 2016, 09:34:31 AM
His interviews are comedy gold. He is a plank of the highest order.

TP: "Saido's nowhere near as fit or sharp as we want him, it's going to take a bit of time but hopefully we can get him to good level." #WBA

If he dont play he won't be fit. Is this bloke an idiot?
Irvine used to be lambasted for some of his comments but I can't remember him coming out with half the amount of bilge Pulis does
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Groovephil on February 12, 2016, 09:48:03 AM
Have to say I'm a TP supporter but he's starting to lose me with the tactics. Everton will be a very interesting game as he picked up a pint last year with the worst performance from Albion I've seen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 12, 2016, 10:17:45 AM
Quote from: Groovephil on February 12, 2016, 09:48:03 AM
Have to say I'm a TP supporter but he's starting to lose me with the tactics. Everton will be a very interesting game as he picked up a pint last year with the worst performance from Albion I've seen.
I remember this game well. I must've picked up 10 pints. :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 12, 2016, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: BB74 on February 11, 2016, 08:02:37 AM
We didn't win though. We drew and went through on penalties.

Terrible, terrible match.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 12, 2016, 01:33:24 PM

Tone's latest inspirational offering to the fringe players

"We're a team who needs our best players fit," he said.

 "With our best players fit we can win games without question of a doubt.

 "It's just looking at the team that's available."

 "We'll see what's what."

 :-[ :-[ :-[ ??? ??? ???

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 12, 2016, 01:35:49 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on February 12, 2016, 01:33:24 PM
Tone's latest inspirational offering to the fringe players

"We're a team who needs our best players fit," he said.

 "With our best players fit we can win games without question of a doubt.

 "It's just looking at the team that's available."

 "We'll see what's what."

 :-[ :-[ :-[ ??? ??? ???

We struggled to win games with our best players fit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 12, 2016, 02:25:50 PM
Surely he will be saying something different to those fringe players starting to at least I hope so.

Sometimes managers do this in the media to try and take the pressure off those players they are bringing in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on February 12, 2016, 02:38:38 PM
To be honest he's pretty much right on this one. Our first eleven is capable of getting a result against pretty much anyone but a few injuries to key players and we really struggle. Example we've really missed Morrison.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 12, 2016, 02:46:06 PM
Is Berahino really not fit?

120 minutes against Posh, 45 minutes against Newcastle and about 20 minutes against Swansea. Previously he did minutes against Posh at home too, as well as sporadic appearances and starts earlier in the season as well as a pre-season behind him.

He looks fit to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 12, 2016, 02:54:40 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on February 12, 2016, 02:46:06 PM
Is Berahino really not fit?

120 minutes against Posh, 45 minutes against Newcastle and about 20 minutes against Swansea. Previously he did minutes against Posh at home too, as well as sporadic appearances and starts earlier in the season as well as a pre-season behind him.

He looks fit to me.

Remember when Irvine used to get stick for this sort of thing. Come on TP this ain't good enough son.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: blue on February 12, 2016, 03:22:03 PM
When TP mentions our fringe players ,i cant help think he means Binge players.
While he is meticulous in working our back 4 ( i mean 10 ) the binge players look like they are working out in the mcdonads over the road.
We must have the heaviest  subs bench in the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 12, 2016, 03:34:09 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 12, 2016, 09:40:20 AM
Irvine used to be lambasted for some of his comments but I can't remember him coming out with half the amount of bilge Pulis does

Every manager comes out with a load of rubbish most weeks but for me he will only equal the level of rubbish Irvine came out with when he says we handled a striker well after they score a hat-trick against us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 12, 2016, 03:37:19 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on February 12, 2016, 01:33:24 PM
Tone's latest inspirational offering to the fringe players

"We're a team who needs our best players fit," he said.

 "With our best players fit we can win games without question of a doubt.

 "It's just looking at the team that's available."

 "We'll see what's what."

 :-[ :-[ :-[ ??? ??? ???



Very poor comments from him. I actually agree with what he says to a degree but saying it in public is a joke, no wonder those that aren't in the usual starting XI are looking far from motivated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 12, 2016, 03:48:17 PM
Just watched his prematch presser and he said that the results have been poor but the performances have been decent. Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on February 12, 2016, 03:50:40 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 12, 2016, 03:48:17 PM
Just watched his prematch presser and he said that the results have been poor but the performances have been decent. Jesus wept.

 ??? what has he been watching??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2016, 03:52:01 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 12, 2016, 03:48:17 PM
Just watched his prematch presser and he said that the results have been poor but the performances have been decent. Jesus wept.


He doesnt help his cause with supporters does he
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 12, 2016, 03:57:58 PM
I have to disagree with TP there, our performances have been worse than the results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 12, 2016, 04:06:13 PM
I really should discount pre and post match comments from managers because there are all sort of messages going on for media, fans, players, owners and opponents and most of it is total bollox, but TP is starting to grate a little.

Firstly our opponents are always fantastic clubs etc.. which prepares the ground for his post match excuses if we do badly or heightens the sense of achievement if we get anything from the game.

Secondly "Saido not anywhere near where he needs to be". Just come out and say you don't want to play him and be done with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 12, 2016, 04:26:55 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 10:51:48 PM
Lads, you want to have a moan fine do so but if you can't do it without personal abuse towards the bloke don't bother. We did not allow it for the previous managers and won't allow it now.

Shouldn't need to say this again but a case of having to, don't get moaning if you cannot find your posts.

Same applies to pointless posts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 12, 2016, 06:26:57 PM
Quote from: baggyman68 on February 11, 2016, 09:50:07 PM
Didn't saint gary megson do the same every match? don't remember a thread slagging him for it! If pulis sat on the bench motionless people would slag him off for that as well!
Yes we're going through a poor patch at the moment but how about waiting till we've got most of the injured players back and then judging before calling for him to be sacked.
Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't! After all we could, with this boards track record, end up with Irvine mark 2!!

Sorry, where did I say sack him ???? I am completely anti sacking him !   ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 12, 2016, 08:34:44 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 12, 2016, 03:48:17 PM
Just watched his prematch presser and he said that the results have been poor but the performances have been decent. Jesus wept.
Wow, I think Pulis might actually be trolling us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 13, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
Only person viewing this topic  :o

if we had lost it would be packed

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 13, 2016, 05:00:52 PM
Like I said last week, Pulis doesn't do relegation. It's all gone quiet on here I wonder why.  ;)

In Pulis we trust.  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 13, 2016, 05:01:41 PM
Back to 13th place but will drop to 14th if Chelsea beat Newcastle later & still in the FA...

32 points now, level with Palace who had a great start to the season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 13, 2016, 05:02:17 PM
How anyone can be happy watching this is beyond me.

Yeah we won but f@ck me, where was the competition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 13, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on February 13, 2016, 05:02:17 PM
How anyone can be happy watching this is beyond me.

Yeah we won but f@ck me, where was the competition.

everton had 31 attempts but failed to really test foster

you can see why they want martinez out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on February 13, 2016, 05:04:33 PM
Credit where it's due - we defended very well today. We also rode our luck. We need more attacking outlets because today a lot of luck went our way and i don't want to watch that every week regardless of result. Also, if we had a little more quality about us we could've probably hurt them on the counter attack.

Happy with him to keep us in the league this season but he is not the long term answer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 13, 2016, 05:05:13 PM
hes just caused a rush for reading tickets. hope he goes in the summer
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 13, 2016, 05:05:17 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on February 13, 2016, 05:01:41 PM
Back to 13th place but will drop to 14th if Chelsea beat Newcastle later & still in the FA...

32 points now, level with Palace who had a great start to the season

Doing a great job for me, the football could be better at times but I'm sure that will now improve with the confidence gained from this win. Well done TP you deserved that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 13, 2016, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 13, 2016, 05:05:17 PM
Doing a great job for me, the football could be better at times but I'm sure that will now improve with the confidence gained from this win. Well done TP you deserved that.

You can't believe that, we're almost at the end of the season. We don't have time for the football to get better.im going to stop arguing now.m

Good win albion,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 13, 2016, 05:09:03 PM
I thought it was a cracking performance, certain amount of mental strength needed for a performance like that.

I also saw some good passages of play. Everton had lots of the ball but didn't really do much most of the shots were row z from 25/30 yards.

Defence was superb and Pulis should be thanked for an away performance like that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 13, 2016, 05:21:21 PM
Pep Guardiola, could not have got that result today with this squad. Fecking brilliant TP, fecking brilliant lads.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on February 13, 2016, 05:22:17 PM
I don't have too much of a problem with how he sets up against the better teams in the league away from home, its games like last week where we went to a Newcastle side low on confidence with severe defensive injuries and played 9 defensive minded players and showed absolutely no intent, or home games like against Villa who are truly awful yet were the side more interested in going for the win.

It'll be interesting to see how we set up at home vs Palace who are extremely low on confidence and in truly awful form anyway. Particularly now that win has given us a bit of breathing space from the bottom.



 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on February 13, 2016, 05:25:29 PM
Interesting story about a Premier League team playing long ball and low possession. And its no us.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35553082
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on February 13, 2016, 05:25:47 PM
Quote from: Dan on February 13, 2016, 05:22:17 PM
I don't have too much of a problem with how he sets up against the better teams in the league away from home, its games like last week where we went to a Newcastle side low on confidence with severe defensive injuries and played 9 defensive minded players and showed absolutely no intent, or home games like against Villa who are truly awful yet were the side more interested in going for the win.

It'll be interesting to see how we set up at home vs Palace who are extremely low on confidence and in truly awful form anyway. Particularly now that win has given us a bit of breathing space from the bottom.



 

At home V Palace after a win like that i guess you'd like to think there wouldn't be many changes. Brunt for McClean maybe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 13, 2016, 05:53:35 PM
We defended well, still no attacking threat. We we're lucky to win today. I think it would be madness to sack Pulis now but he has to go at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on February 13, 2016, 05:56:02 PM
It's a great win. Clean sheet and a set piece goal typical pulis. I didn't watch it. I'm still not going until he leaves or changes his philosophy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 13, 2016, 05:58:34 PM
Excellent defensively. Poor going forward. Too many long hopeful balls when passing along the ground could have kept possession better and given the defenders a rest. Delighted with the three points though and some excellent performances from the back six. really pleased to see Chester play well and hopefully the future will see him join Evans at CB.

Regardless of the win, I don't think he is right for our club. Regardless of the fact I don't think he is right for our club, I am delighted with the win.

Simple as that really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 13, 2016, 06:04:43 PM
It was a very good win, a massive and much needed win but it doesn't change anything towards what i feel about Pulis. I still feel we need to appoint a more progressive manager in the summer with better attacking principles with a record of organising good defences.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 13, 2016, 06:05:11 PM
He does not have to go, and nor will he. What he needs is to be backed by JP with sufficient funds to radically change this aging squad. It looks as though his disastrous signing ( Chester ), is not so bad after all, and I am sure Rondon will get better with better service from better players. With our present squad nobody could do better, and some of the posts on here are hysterical nonsense, and embarass me far more than any of my teams performances.Having said all of that I FEAR that TP will get fed up of working with JP and not getting proper financial support.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 13, 2016, 06:05:50 PM
We won the FA Cup V Everton by the same score. We were supposed to be two flowing attacking sides at the time.It was dour Astle scored the only goal in early extra time. Apart from promotions and relegations we have done nothing of note since. (ok being bottom at Christmas.Staying up on last day)!!?? Sorry but, Pulis is the best man around at this moment in time for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 13, 2016, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on February 13, 2016, 05:50:14 PM
Come on then where are you all ?
not sure baiting people is a wise thing to do.

To give an answer though, we got 3 points but don't ignore the fact that we got those three points and got an improved performance from the last few weeks, by doing exactly what we've done the last few weeks. We defended for most of the game, from the very first whistle, and had very little threat, only difference being that we had one shot on target... that was the only significant difference. When you get shots on target, you can score goals.

This was the greatest game of Pulisball I've ever seen, but I don't expect a repeat performance next time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 13, 2016, 06:11:44 PM
I'm not having a go but I really don't know how he does it. Every time we seem to be in trouble he seems to get a freak result out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 13, 2016, 06:11:56 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on February 13, 2016, 06:05:11 PM
He does not have to go, and nor will he. What he needs is to be backed by JP with sufficient funds to radically change this aging squad. It looks as though his disastrous signing ( Chester ), is not so bad after all, and I am sure Rondon will get better with better service from better players. With our present squad nobody could do better, and some of the posts on here are hysterical nonsense, and embarass me far more than any of my teams performances.Having said all of that I FEAR that TP will get fed up of working with JP and not getting proper financial support.

He's made 11 signings himself and how many of them play regularly? Also how do you radically change an ageing squad when you are in contact talks with 3 thirty somethings? I'd say JP will get fed up of TP rather than the other way around.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 13, 2016, 06:12:17 PM
I can accept this away but we could be better at home, villa etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 13, 2016, 06:23:14 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on February 13, 2016, 06:05:11 PM
He does not have to go, and nor will he. What he needs is to be backed by JP with sufficient funds to radically change this aging squad. It looks as though his disastrous signing ( Chester ), is not so bad after all, and I am sure Rondon will get better with better service from better players. With our present squad nobody could do better, and some of the posts on here are hysterical nonsense, and embarass me far more than any of my teams performances.Having said all of that I FEAR that TP will get fed up of working with JP and not getting proper financial support.

The only reason Chester looked like being a disastrous signing was because Pulis refuses to play him in his correct position. I wouldnt want Pulis to be given more money because he has already wasted the large majority of it. Its one thing buying decent players but when you play negative tactics and new signings out of position I question giving him more money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on February 13, 2016, 06:23:54 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 13, 2016, 06:12:17 PM
I can accept this away but we could be better at home, villa etc

Agreed, away from home I don't mind setting up - we've profited from it this season. We just need to be more positive against bottom half opposition at home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 13, 2016, 06:25:32 PM
This was one of the days when Plan A worked, one of my issues is there is no plan B.

That said great result so well done TP and the lads.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 13, 2016, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: Albionic on February 13, 2016, 06:25:32 PM
This was one of the days when Plan A worked, one of my issues is there is no plan B.

That said great result so well done TP and the lads.

Plan A usually consists of lots of luck and a set piece.  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 13, 2016, 06:31:16 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 13, 2016, 06:27:09 PM
Plan A usually consists of lots of luck and a set piece.  :D

and TP's plan B is ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 13, 2016, 06:34:27 PM
Trouble is we seem to set up like this home and away...surely we need to move on next season...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies on February 13, 2016, 06:41:25 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 13, 2016, 06:27:09 PM
Plan A usually consists of lots of luck and a set piece.  :D

I think you have summed it up there Smethwick.

Today's performance will be commented on as being a "good defensive performance", and I half agree, but then Everton managed to get 34 shots off today (before today, no premier league team had managed to reach 30 shots in a game). Of those shots, Backley hit the post, missed a great chance having been put through which he would usually score, missed a great header, Lukaku missed an easy header and Funes Mori also had a header cleared of the line.

Had Everton's finishing been a bit crisper today, they probably win and we would all be complaining.

Pulis way of playing results in teams staying up because, as all American sports fans and Sports statisticians know, defence always wins over attack in the long run. The win today takes us 8/9 points away from the relegation zone with goal difference and only needing around 6 points for survival.

The thing is, I don't criticise Pulis for not being able to keep us up. He is a survival specialist. I also feel it is great that he goes for the cups, again a massive positive for me.

My problem is that even in victory, we are awful to watch. We had 24% possession today and 1 shot on target. Against Peterborough we had 1 shot on target in the first 90 minutes and this has been around the average for quite a few games now.

Other teams manage to stay up by at least playing some football. Without Morrison in the team, we are struggling to string three passes together and are having to score from set pieces. It really isn't a positive way of staying up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 13, 2016, 06:43:06 PM
Wah wah wah  we won. Must find negatives.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 13, 2016, 06:44:04 PM
Suddenly total shots is important not shots on target.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies on February 13, 2016, 06:44:58 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 13, 2016, 06:43:06 PM
Wah wah wah  we won. Must find negatives.

Then counter with positives boinging. This is a forum for people to express their views. People have came onto the forum today saying "everyone has gone quiet". Some of us have replied with what we feel.

Express your positives and explain why we are wrong. Debate. That is what the forum is for.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MICKYMEL on February 13, 2016, 06:45:11 PM
Due to the ridiculous amount of tv money next season we had to stay up this season.

In any way we could.

We don't have the cash others do so will struggle always but pulis gets results. You set our 11 against most others and its weaker. Then it comes down to the manager .

He kept us up last year and looks like doing same this year . Let's back him, get pacy quality players in and give him till xmas next season and if performances haven't improved I'd say we look at options then
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on February 13, 2016, 06:45:24 PM
24% possession. Less than against Newcastle.


Absolutely diabolical football and if it wasn't for a lucky 1-0 and some dogged defending, we would be absolutely berating he bloke because as a fan of the game you cannot tell me that defending on your own line for 90 minutes entertains you.

There is just nothing to dream about or look forward to with this at the moment.

We do not look like scoring a goal from open play, and in the end that's going to come back to bite you eventually.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on February 13, 2016, 07:40:30 PM
 For gods sake TP however much messing around you have to do with selection please if he is able to play leave Johnny Evans at centre back, different gravy and as a team we look a whole lot better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 13, 2016, 07:48:41 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 13, 2016, 06:27:09 PM
Plan A usually consists of lots of luck and a set piece.  :D

Unless you do it for years as a manager. It seems that way but he has got lucky alot as a manager :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on February 13, 2016, 08:01:09 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 13, 2016, 06:23:14 PM
The only reason Chester looked like being a disastrous signing was because Pulis refuses to play him in his correct position. I wouldnt want Pulis to be given more money because he has already wasted the large majority of it. Its one thing buying decent players but when you play negative tactics and new signings out of position I question giving him more money.
Mr Peace may also have some reservations of trusting Tony with another 30 -40 million.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 13, 2016, 08:50:23 PM
Last week we had 1 shot on target less 33% which is the point at which the opposition has twice as much as possession as ourselves we lose 1:0 today we reran the game with the same game plan but won 1:0. We are locked into the same tactics sometimes we grind out a result but it doesn't make it any better to watch.

I am constantly assured that it will be different when he gets his own players in, there was not a single player he didn't bring to Stoke he never played anything other than defensive percentage grinding hoofball. Why does anyone think it is going to be different here?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 13, 2016, 08:56:52 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 13, 2016, 08:50:23 PM
Last week we had 1 shot on target less 33% which is the point at which the opposition has twice as much as possession as ourselves we lose 1:0 today we reran the game with the same game plan but won 1:0. We are locked into the same tactics sometimes we grind out a result but it doesn't make it any better to watch.

I am constantly assured that it will be different when he gets his own players in, there was not a single player he didn't bring to Stoke he never played anything other than defensive percentage grinding hoofball. Why does anyone think it is going to be different here?
i

Your bang on. People are deluded if they think we will play anything other low percentage rubbish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on February 13, 2016, 09:40:17 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on February 13, 2016, 06:11:44 PM
I'm not having a go but I really don't know how he does it. Every time we seem to be in trouble he seems to get a freak result out of nowhere.

There's this perception about Pulis that somehow he's just lucky with Pub football style "park the bus and hope for the best" tactics.

Well he must be the luckiest person in the world to get a 25 year plus managerial career, with few breaks in employment, a good reputation within the game (if / when he leaves us he won't be out of work for long will he?) and relative success at the majority of clubs he's managed.

For me, he was the correct appointment after Irvine was given the boot, and remains the best person to guide us for the rest of this season.

But in answer to the original post, he does it cause he knows what he's doing, and is very good at what he does.

I totally get some peoples gripes with style of play and all the rest of it (even though I don't agree with those views) but this perception that he simply flukes results almost by default and accident is a little bit lame to be honest.

I was tempted to add that Pulis is a tactical genius, but even I know that's probably pushing it a little.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AltyAlbion on February 13, 2016, 10:12:06 PM
I'm normally a reader rather than a contributor ... but this post is spot on! I've been to most of our home and away games this season (150 miles round trip for home games) ,,, no we're not pretty but TP digs out results ... who the hell do we think we are and who else would keep us in this league? We sound more and more like big bollox Villa fans ... and look where they are! I've seen us get twatted at the likes of Stockport (5-1) and Halifax in the FAC ... so lose faith when I hear our own supporters knocking TP ... we should be grateful for having a guy that is going to keep us in this league!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on February 13, 2016, 10:15:15 PM
am I right in thinking that tp started maclean,sess,rondon and berahino today hardly a park the bus line up,pheraps we did intend to attack more ala Chelsea away but it just didn't turn out like that,as this 4 on form would put a lot of good teams on the back foot,everton have exceptional players and really should be in the top 4 under better management,well done tp
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 13, 2016, 10:20:49 PM
Quote from: AltyAlbion on February 13, 2016, 10:12:06 PM
I'm normally a reader rather than a contributor ... but this post is spot on! I've been to most of our home and away games this season (150 miles round trip for home games) ,,, no we're not pretty but TP digs out results ... who the hell do we think we are and who else would keep us in this league? We sound more and more like big bollox Villa fans ... and look where they are! I've seen us get twatted at the likes of Stockport (5-1) and Halifax in the FAC ... so lose faith when I hear our own supporters knocking TP ... we should be grateful for having a guy that is going to keep us in this league!

You are entitled to your opinion, however I disagree.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 13, 2016, 10:23:08 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on February 13, 2016, 06:05:11 PM
He does not have to go, and nor will he. What he needs is to be backed by JP with sufficient funds to radically change this aging squad. It looks as though his disastrous signing ( Chester ), is not so bad after all, and I am sure Rondon will get better with better service from better players. With our present squad nobody could do better, and some of the posts on here are hysterical nonsense, and embarass me far more than any of my teams performances.Having said all of that I FEAR that TP will get fed up of working with JP and not getting proper financial support.
Can't agree, Chester got to play because of injuries, it was TP,s de ion to bring him in and not play him, there have been many opportunities for TP to play personnel in their correct position, he didn't and it has been to the detriment of our style,our points total and our internal players confidence.
I've said all along,respect what he does , but the methods are boring ,laboursome and not entertainment.
He was the right man at the right time, he stabilised and we will stay up this season, but (like villa) eventually he will be found wanting and we should not take the risk after summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smudger 2007 on February 13, 2016, 10:28:10 PM
I don't enjoy the football we play at times but I honestly believe we have a bang average team/Squad for this division apart from a few players. My belief is although we are capable of much better football/possession. No other manager would be able to be on 32 points at this stage of the season with this squad. Again it's my humble opinion but I truly believe this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 13, 2016, 10:31:32 PM
Quote from: smudger 2007 on February 13, 2016, 10:28:10 PM
I don't enjoy the football we play at times but I honestly believe we have a bang average team/Squad for this division apart from a few players. My belief is although we are capable of much better football/possession. No other manager would be able to be on 32 points at this stage of the season with this squad. Again it's my humble opinion but I truly believe this.

I disagree, I believe we have sufficient quality within the squad to play a more progressive style of football.

In my opinion It's all about balance, unfortunately Pulis is far to negative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smudger 2007 on February 13, 2016, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 13, 2016, 10:31:32 PM
I disagree, I believe we have sufficient quality within the squad to play a more progressive style of football.

In my opinion It's all about balance, unfortunately Pulis is far to negative.
what type of manager would you like to see? Brendon Rogers type? I feel we would go the other way and be to open. I do feel at home though we could be more pro active though I agree with you there. I recently purchased a half season ticket for my 5 year old. And he gets bored sensless at times ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 13, 2016, 11:40:11 PM
Quote from: AltyAlbion on February 13, 2016, 10:12:06 PM
I'm normally a reader rather than a contributor ... but this post is spot on! I've been to most of our home and away games this season (150 miles round trip for home games) ,,, no we're not pretty but TP digs out results ... who the hell do we think we are and who else would keep us in this league? We sound more and more like big bollox Villa fans ... and look where they are! I've seen us get twatted at the likes of Stockport (5-1) and Halifax in the FAC ... so lose faith when I hear our own supporters knocking TP ... we should be grateful for having a guy that is going to keep us in this league!

I would love a return to the days of the 3 degrees, free flowing, entertaining football, admired by many throughout the country.

But I am realistic enough to know that money is king in the game today and TP gets results, full stop

There are many ways to play football but every manager and every club are ultimately judged on results alone.

65% possession or 35% possession - 30 goal attempts or none - goals, clean sheets and points are the only things that matter - the rest is just window dressing


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 14, 2016, 12:18:17 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on February 14, 2016, 12:15:02 AM
Interesting you say that. He obviously plays more attractive football than Pulis, however - it's also clear that he encourages his players to dive on a regular basis, as seen today, against us and throughout the season. Last year in the championship they effectively dived their way to the title albeit the media ignored this as their story was bigger news.

I'd much rather have Rodgers who is a more accomplished manager anyway in my view, but it annoys me when people talk about Howe like he's a saint when he clear sets his team up to dive.

I have to agree. Afobe was clean through on goal against Stoke and decided to go down instead of taking a strike on goal. Diving is the worst form of gamesmanship in football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 14, 2016, 02:16:59 PM
Here's a stat, we've not lost more than two games in a row this season. Consistent. A good manager knows how to react when form declines and confidence is down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 14, 2016, 03:15:10 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 14, 2016, 02:16:59 PM
Here's a stat, we've not lost more than two games in a row this season. Consistent. A good manager knows how to react when form declines and confidence is down.
This is the most important stat for me. I'm no Pulis fan but he knows how to halt a slide. The likes of Clarke, RDM and TM just didn't have the nous to do it, most don't. That being said, the style employed is horrific at times. Away at Everton, any win is a great win though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 14, 2016, 04:00:53 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on February 13, 2016, 11:40:11 PM
I would love a return to the days of the 3 degrees, free flowing, entertaining football, admired by many throughout the country.

But I am realistic enough to know that money is king in the game today and TP gets results, full stop

There are many ways to play football but every manager and every club are ultimately judged on results alone.

65% possession or 35% possession - 30 goal attempts or none - goals, clean sheets and points are the only things that matter - the rest is just window dressing

Where I'm at. I think we will finish top 13/14 worst case. It will mostly be agony to watch and also our cup luck will run out very very soon.

I will stomach this season of dreary playing and be happy to be in a decent place in the table. Next year give me a new Three Degrees..... and the management that goes with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 14, 2016, 04:04:48 PM
The seals lost again.
Yet another team that Pulis didn't have a "go" at.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 14, 2016, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 14, 2016, 04:04:48 PM
The seals lost again.
Yet another team that Pulis didn't have a "go" at.

Only you would turn villa being thrashed into a negative for West brom
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 14, 2016, 05:45:35 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 14, 2016, 04:31:47 PM
Only you would turn villa being thrashed into a negative for West brom

Not really a negative, just an observation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 14, 2016, 05:56:50 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 14, 2016, 04:31:47 PM
Only you would turn villa being thrashed into a negative for West brom

Hes stating fact.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 14, 2016, 06:17:56 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 14, 2016, 05:56:50 PM
Hes stating fact.
Fact is the meltdown on here had we lost to Villa would have been ridiculous, a point was okay, just like Leicester got off them...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on February 14, 2016, 06:20:23 PM
Villa game was what, 2/3 weeks ago now ? We've progressed into the next round of the cup and have gained 4 points since.

Progression.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 14, 2016, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 14, 2016, 04:04:48 PM
The seals lost again.
Yet another team that Pulis didn't have a "go" at.
Leicester don't "have a go" at many teams either and look where they are.

Whereas I agree the negative play leaves a lot to be desired, it's not the be all and end all to have a go at teams, it's more important to take your chances when they come which is something Leicester have done and we haven't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on February 14, 2016, 07:11:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 14, 2016, 06:17:56 PM
Fact is the meltdown on here had we lost to Villa would have been ridiculous, a point was okay, just like Leicester got off them...

Yeah! And look where Leicester are 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on February 14, 2016, 07:38:26 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 13, 2016, 10:31:32 PM
I disagree, I believe we have sufficient quality within the squad to play a more progressive style of football.

In my opinion It's all about balance, unfortunately Pulis is far to negative.

Our players are bang average to poor. There is absolutely no doubt about that. Ask anyone who watches regular football and isn't an Albion fan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swabey on February 14, 2016, 09:25:01 PM
TP spent £100 million at Stoke yet every session finished in the bottom half grinding out 40 points playing awful defensive football.

If any of you think it's going to change then I'm sorry you're deluded. You may enjoy half a dozen or so games if you are lucky but the rest will just be a mind numbing chore.




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 14, 2016, 09:35:50 PM
Quote from: swabey on February 14, 2016, 09:25:01 PM
TP spent £100 million at Stoke yet every session finished in the bottom half grinding out 40 points playing awful defensive football.

If any of you think it's going to change then I'm sorry you're deluded. You may enjoy half a dozen or so games if you are lucky but the rest will just be a mind numbing chore.

Agreed. And in that time he may buy some half decent players but prevent them from showing how good they can be. See Chester, Rondon, McManaman as examples.

Our squad is better than he lets it be in my view.

Sandro, McManaman, Poco, Gamboa, Chester, Berahino should all be given a good run in their proper positions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 14, 2016, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 14, 2016, 09:35:50 PM
Agreed. And in that time he may buy some half decent players but prevent them from showing how good they can be. See Chester, Rondon, McManaman as examples.

Our squad is better than he lets it be in my view.

Sandro, McManaman, Poco, Gamboa, Chester, Berahino should all be given a good run in their proper positions.

But we keep getting told he wastes money and doesn't buy any good players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on February 14, 2016, 09:50:11 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 14, 2016, 09:39:58 PM
But we keep getting told he wastes money and doesn't buy any good players.


No point in buying them and then not using them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 14, 2016, 09:54:50 PM
It seems quite funny to me that people are trying to make out that Pulis is some kind of tactical genius when we've won a game where the opposition had over 30 shots and we had just 1 on target (again). The dice fell kindly for us yesterday, but we'll lose way more games than we win with such an imbalance in favour of the opposition.

If people get some kind of masochistic pleasure out of us playing that way, I'm full of admiration for you. I don't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 14, 2016, 10:05:42 PM
Interesting that when talking about the oppositions its the total shots quoted but when we criticise Albion we use the shots on target stat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 14, 2016, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 14, 2016, 09:39:58 PM
But we keep getting told he wastes money and doesn't buy any good players.

If I buy a nice car and dont drive it then ive wasted my money. If Pulis buys a good player and then doesnt use him properly its a waste of money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 14, 2016, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 14, 2016, 10:05:42 PM
Interesting that when talking about the oppositions its the total shots quoted but when we criticise Albion we use the shots on target stat.

Trust me, if we had 34 shots on goal in a game, we'd be quoting that stat too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 14, 2016, 10:57:19 PM
Have we had 34 shots on target this season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 14, 2016, 11:12:47 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 14, 2016, 10:05:42 PM
Interesting that when talking about the oppositions its the total shots quoted but when we criticise Albion we use the shots on target stat.
I'm happy to use both stats. We had something like 6 shots compared to Everton's 30+. You think that's impressive obviously.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 14, 2016, 11:21:38 PM
How many Everton shots were on target compared to ours? Remember it goals scored that win matches,that's the whole idea of the game don't you think?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 15, 2016, 12:13:09 AM
Everton lost we won so therefore whatever our inadequacies can be justified by reference to the oppositions shortcomings. The fact is we are an ultra defensive side that creates few chances grinds out results by scoring goals from set pieces and seldom enjoys much sustained possession. Just like every other side that has been managed by Tony Pulis. If you like that fine and dandy but don't kid yourself it will be any different at any point in the future this is not a transition it is the final destination more time and more money is not going to make a any difference.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 15, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 15, 2016, 12:13:09 AM
Everton lost we won so therefore whatever our inadequacies can be justified by reference to the oppositions shortcomings. The fact is we are an ultra defensive side that creates few chances grinds out results by scoring goals from set pieces and seldom enjoys much sustained possession. Just like every other side that has been managed by Tony Pulis. If you like that fine and dandy but don't kid yourself it will be any different at any point in the future this is not a transition it is the final destination more time and more money is not going to make a any difference.

This is spot on.

Pulis needs huge credit for keeping us up last season and very likely this - from me at least. Whatever anyone says, our squad is not great to say the least but his ultra-defensive approach (as Standaman puts it well) will only endear him to fans of clubs in short term trouble.

I don't even think if we're safe early, he'll take off the handbrake and go more attacking - it's not in his nature. He shouldn't be criticised for this actually, we should , we knew what we'd be getting with Pulis.

Great result at the weekend - earned with a team who clearly buy into Pulis whatever anyone says.





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 15, 2016, 08:59:15 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 14, 2016, 11:12:47 PM
I'm happy to use both stats. We had something like 6 shots compared to Everton's 30+. You think that's impressive obviously.

No, you miss the point.  It's not about the direct comparison between the two teams in the Everton game.  Over the last however many weeks I've seen people moan about shots on target, but conveniently ignored the total shots stat.  Now when it suits we suddenly use total shots as the barometer to how well a team did as the stick to beat him with.  Seems a bit inconsistent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 15, 2016, 12:09:51 PM
If the scenario arises that we hit 40 points and there are games left will TP put out a side with youth and verve?

I think we can all answer that one. The man is a one trick pony, its a very good trick, but it is the one and only way he knows.

I find myself veering from hoping to see him go as soon as we are safe, to feeling that wishing for him to go is dis-respectful of what he has done for us in 18 months, ie 2 survivals !

Anyway its irrelevant as the man who pays him is an accountant first and foremost, he is going to be very pleased with TP I would imagine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 15, 2016, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: Albionic on February 15, 2016, 12:09:51 PM
If the scenario arises that we hit 40 points and there are games left will TP put out a side with youth and verve?

I think we can all answer that one. The man is a one trick pony, its a very good trick, but it is the one and only way he knows.

I find myself veering from hoping to see him go as soon as we are safe, to feeling that wishing for him to go is dis-respectful of what he has done for us in 18 months, ie 2 survivals !

Anyway its irrelevant as the man who pays him is an accountant first and foremost, he is going to be very pleased with TP I would imagine.

I'll bet you £50 that same accountant will want Pulis to get as man points as possible. Each place is worth an extra £1.2m so Peace will be encouraging Pulis to keep picking a strong team. Same as every other club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on February 15, 2016, 12:28:11 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 15, 2016, 12:23:17 PM
I'll bet you £50 that same accountant will want Pulis to get as man points as possible. Each place is worth an extra £1.2m so Peace will be encouraging Pulis to keep picking a strong team. Same as every other club.


What if the youth players perform well at this level ? Wouldn't that add just as much to any asking price in the future ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 15, 2016, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on February 14, 2016, 06:20:23 PM
Villa game was what, 2/3 weeks ago now ? We've progressed into the next round of the cup and have gained 4 points since.

Progression.

We also got a shot on target.

Progression.  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on February 15, 2016, 01:20:01 PM
Quote from: Albionic on February 15, 2016, 12:09:51 PM
If the scenario arises that we hit 40 points and there are games left will TP put out a side with youth and verve?

I think we can all answer that one. The man is a one trick pony, its a very good trick, but it is the one and only way he knows.

I find myself veering from hoping to see him go as soon as we are safe, to feeling that wishing for him to go is dis-respectful of what he has done for us in 18 months, ie 2 survivals !

Anyway its irrelevant as the man who pays him is an accountant first and foremost, he is going to be very pleased with TP I would imagine.

not defending TP and his management.

but on this point I think that when all is said and done and this season is over that we will also be pleased with this as the huge gap that exists between premier league and championship is about to get a whole lot bigger and all being well we will be on the right side of this gap as compared to our local neighbours.

going forward personally I don't think he's the right man for the job he was the right man at the right time to steady a somewhat sinking ship. Just need to look at villa who appointed Sherwood and his lack of tactics and have then replaced him with Garde who seems totally out of his depth.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 15, 2016, 07:30:00 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 15, 2016, 08:59:15 AM
No, you miss the point.  It's not about the direct comparison between the two teams in the Everton game.  Over the last however many weeks I've seen people moan about shots on target, but conveniently ignored the total shots stat.  Now when it suits we suddenly use total shots as the barometer to how well a team did as the stick to beat him with.  Seems a bit inconsistent.
Last I saw, we were the worst in the division for both stats, so that makes 2 justifiable sticks in my book and people can reasonably use either or both IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 15, 2016, 09:18:34 PM
Interesting comparison between our seasons so far after 26 games. Football might not be pretty but currently the joint second best positon at this stage of the season in any of our Premier League seasons

http://jonwant.com/football/albions-premier-league-season-comparison-26-games-2/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 15, 2016, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 15, 2016, 12:13:09 AM
Everton lost we won so therefore whatever our inadequacies can be justified by reference to the oppositions shortcomings. The fact is we are an ultra defensive side that creates few chances grinds out results by scoring goals from set pieces and seldom enjoys much sustained possession. Just like every other side that has been managed by Tony Pulis. If you like that fine and dandy but don't . kid yourself it will be any different at any point in the future this is not a transition it is the final destination more time and more money is not going to make a any difference.
The glimmer of hope for me is the way we played in those games around the time of the Spurs and Stoke games where we pushed up more and definitely created more. I live in hope that Pulis wants to up the quality in centre midfield which will help towards this. I fear though that Pulis' default when things don't go well will be to revert to the sitting deep ultra defensive approach.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 16, 2016, 04:40:57 PM
Interesting that Rondon has now scored more Premier League goals than Wilfred Bony and from less games, Chester has now got some game time and seems to be improving, are TP's signings really doing that badly?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 17, 2016, 10:59:28 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 15, 2016, 12:23:17 PM
I'll bet you £50 that same accountant will want Pulis to get as man points as possible. Each place is worth an extra £1.2m so Peace will be encouraging Pulis to keep picking a strong team. Same as every other club.

An accountant would want to maximise profit but there may be a trade off where higher league position money could be traded off against youth/academy players value.
Suppose for example one of our academy players shows he is another Berahino in the last 6 or seven games and his value is estimated to be £5+ million,  we get perhaps both a better league position and a higher value player. However this trade off this doesn't work the risk of losing a couple of league places and the academy players introduced are just not good enough.

Would Pullis and/or Peace take the risk?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 17, 2016, 11:00:07 AM
TP is god for a while again :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 17, 2016, 11:00:41 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 17, 2016, 11:00:07 AM
TP is god for a while again :D

He will be if we win the cup.  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 17, 2016, 11:02:18 AM
Quote from: Legend on February 17, 2016, 11:00:41 AM
He will be if we win the cup.  8)


too true, most likely the last competitive 8 in many years though. if he won the cup he would have the freedom of west bromwich town
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on February 17, 2016, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 17, 2016, 11:02:18 AM

too true, most likely the last competitive 8 in many years though. if he won the cup he would have the freedom of west bromwich town

Rightly so, he would be a legend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 17, 2016, 11:36:32 PM
Sadly, if we do get the final, the BBC will probably cancel coverage and  show re runs of Ski Sunday or Pot Black, as few neutrals would be interested in watching.
The last time Wolves got to the final, they won 3-0, but in the days of more neutral spectators attending the final, the pitch was strewn with tickets as spectators registered their disgust at the lack of style. It was thus known as "the dustbin final".  I dread to think what a final involving us at the moment would be called. I hope we get there, don't think we will, and bet the BBC will do everything in their power to make sure we don't ( a "hot ball" is suspected me thinks.)   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 17, 2016, 11:55:58 PM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on February 17, 2016, 11:36:32 PM
Sadly, if we do get the final, the BBC will probably cancel coverage and  show re runs of Ski Sunday or Pot Black, as few neutrals would be interested in watching.
The last time Wolves got to the final, they won 3-0, but in the days of more neutral spectators attending the final, the pitch was strewn with tickets as spectators registered their disgust at the lack of style. It was thus known as "the dustbin final".  I dread to think what a final involving us at the moment would be called. I hope we get there, don't think we will, and bet the BBC will do everything in their power to make sure we don't ( a "hot ball" is suspected me thinks.)   
Who really cares what neutrals and opposing fans think about us?
I'd much rather us win the cup and be called ugly than go out on a whimper...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 18, 2016, 12:49:30 AM
Well I care. Yes, it would be nice to win something after all these years, but even better to show a bit of style. Wimbledon won the cup under Bobby Gould , so I suppose it can be done without style.  Pulis's only" tactics" will work every so often ( we beat Everton, but lost at Newcastle, Southampton, Swansea, Man Utd, Palace with the same "tactics"), so whether luck will hold out remains to be seen.
I have always enjoyed our reputation amongst opposing fans, and have never felt ashamed to be a Baggie. Now it is embarrassing.       
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 18, 2016, 02:22:41 AM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on February 18, 2016, 12:49:30 AM
Well I care. Yes, it would be nice to win something after all these years, but even better to show a bit of style. Wimbledon won the cup under Bobby Gould , so I suppose it can be done without style.  Pulis's only" tactics" will work every so often ( we beat Everton, but lost at Newcastle, Southampton, Swansea, Man Utd, Palace with the same "tactics"), so whether luck will hold out remains to be seen.
I have always enjoyed our reputation amongst opposing fans, and have never felt ashamed to be a Baggie. Now it is embarrassing.       

What's embarrassing are your last 2 posts... Firstly the BBC showed us on primetime last Wednesday night... They could have easily bumped us to BBC 2 or even BBC 4.

Secondly you have just listed 1 win and what 5 defeats? Have a word with yourself, we won at Stoke, Villa and Norwich not to mention beating Arsenal at home to balance out your post.

It's not remotely embarrassing supporting the Albion, never has been despite some very bad times. As I said the other week and it seems particularly pertinent to yourself, any embarrassment you feel as a fan is your own insecurities playing out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 18, 2016, 06:18:32 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 18, 2016, 02:22:41 AM
What's embarrassing are your last 2 posts... Firstly the BBC showed us on primetime last Wednesday night... They could have easily bumped us to BBC 2 or even BBC 4.

Secondly you have just listed 1 win and what 5 defeats? Have a word with yourself, we won at Stoke, Villa and Norwich not to mention beating Arsenal at home to balance out your post.

It's not remotely embarrassing supporting the Albion, never has been despite some very bad times. As I said the other week and it seems particularly pertinent to yourself, any embarrassment you feel as a fan is your own insecurities playing out.
Yes Jacko good post, selective memory strikes again. Embarrassment never
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 18, 2016, 08:06:43 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 18, 2016, 02:22:41 AM
What's embarrassing are your last 2 posts... Firstly the BBC showed us on primetime last Wednesday night... They could have easily bumped us to BBC 2 or even BBC 4.

Secondly you have just listed 1 win and what 5 defeats? Have a word with yourself, we won at Stoke, Villa and Norwich not to mention beating Arsenal at home to balance out your post.

It's not remotely embarrassing supporting the Albion, never has been despite some very bad times. As I said the other week and it seems particularly pertinent to yourself, any embarrassment you feel as a fan is your own insecurities playing out.
9 man Stoke, Villa (enough said!), Norwich, Arsenal (slipped and missed penalty). Good results but, have a word with yourself, not amazingly brilliant performances.
I am pleased you are proud. It says a lot about your character but also indicates why the view of our support is changing amongst our peers and fellow supporters.

End justifies the means,  blah, blah, blah.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 18, 2016, 08:46:15 AM
I don't want Pulis at the club a moment longer than the day after he has secured our survival this season so I have mixed feelings about FA cup success. Winning it obviously cements Pulisball at the club but given that for us FA cup final's let alone wins seem to come round about once or twice in a life time I cannot be too sniffy about it.

I don't think there is any danger of us winning it sooner or latter we will run into a decent side who can unpick a 10 man defence and defend against set pieces and that will be the end of the cup run.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 18, 2016, 08:56:00 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 18, 2016, 08:06:43 AM
9 man Stoke, Villa (enough said!), Norwich, Arsenal (slipped and missed penalty). Good results but, have a word with yourself, not amazingly brilliant performances.
I am pleased you are proud. It says a lot about your character but also indicates why the view of our support is changing amongst our peers and fellow supporters.

End justifies the means,  blah, blah, blah.

"those wins don't count". 

Nice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 18, 2016, 09:05:36 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 18, 2016, 08:06:43 AM
Good results but, have a word with yourself, not amazingly brilliant performances.

In fairness to Jacko, I don't recall him stating that they were "amazingly brilliant performances".

If those around you at the Hawthorns were to sing and clap Proud to be a Baggie, would you join in or give an inward snort of derision?
(Ed: following a goal)

Not having a pop, genuinely interested to know just how deep your revulsion of our current 'style' runs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 18, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on February 18, 2016, 09:05:36 AM
In fairness to Jacko, I don't recall him stating that they were "amazingly brilliant performances".

If those around you at the Hawthorns were to sing and clap Proud to be a Baggie, would you join in or give an inward snort of derision?
(Ed: following a goal)

Not having a pop, genuinely interested to know just how deep your revulsion of our current 'style' runs.

Being a Baggie is something that goes beyond any of our current difficulties and has very little to do with what happens on the pitch it is the sense connection I have with the Baggies family. I am proud of that and as such will always be proud to be a Baggie. The thing that dents that pride is the gormless behaviour of some of our fans but then again which family hasn't got a cousin that leaves you shaking your head?

Different question if there is a chorus of "Tony Pulis's barmy army" do I join in with that?  No I don't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 18, 2016, 10:11:55 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 18, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
Being a Baggie is something that goes beyond any of our current difficulties and has very little to do with what happens on the pitch it is the sense connection I have with the Baggies family. I am proud of that and as such will always be proud to be a Baggie. The thing that dents that pride is the gormless behaviour of some of our fans but then again which family hasn't got a cousin that leaves you shaking your head?

Different question if there is a chorus of "Tony Pulis's barmy army" do I join in with that?  No I don't.

Agree entirely regarding pride and that connection.

I don't join in with Tony Pulis's Barmy either, I just shout barmy army.

Nothing to do with Pulis though.
I have never shouted barmy army to the name of any manager as they all come and go.

What "gormless behaviour of some of our fans" do you allude to?
Does shouting barmy army make me gormless?
Or are you suggesting that anyone who publically/verbally backs Pulis is gormless?
 :-\.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 18, 2016, 10:26:11 AM
You can talk styles, you can talk fit. You can berate his handling of players and question his player recruitment. You can dislike him for being Welsh or even dislike him just because.

The FACT is, that Pulis has never been relegated and that when he came here he was by far the best person for the job. No manager brings guarantees with them in football, none. Put Mourinho in charge and the chances are you'll win something, with Pulls in charge chances are you'll stay up.

For anyone to say, 'I'd rather be in Division 23 losing 9-8 than watching this dross.' No you wouldn't. TM and RDM were able to play brilliant football going forward but were ultimately slaughtered for defensive ineptitude.

Hodgson was the most balanced coach we've had in recent times and I'm guessing most would take him back in a heartbeat. Especially the ones who slate Pulis for negative football... and likewise lambast England performances as boring too...

Sometimes is just doesn't add up, but there are those who don't want it too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 18, 2016, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on February 18, 2016, 10:11:55 AM
Agree entirely regarding pride and that connection.

I don't join in with Tony Pulis's Barmy either, I just shout barmy army.

Nothing to do with Pulis though.
I have never shouted barmy army to the name of any manager as they all come and go.

What "gormless behaviour of some of our fans" do you allude to?
Does shouting barmy army make me gormless?
Or are you suggesting that anyone who publically/verbally backs Pulis is gormless?
 :-\.

Not at all having a different opinion to me on any Albion subject doesn't make some one gormless (just wrong ;D) I had in mind some of the over the top abuse dished out to our players which sometimes steps over the mark. We all have different views of the world and sometimes I hear and see stuff that make me cringe inwardly but bottom line is I accept it because most people are just passionate about this football club and just want it to do well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 18, 2016, 11:55:06 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 18, 2016, 11:44:01 AM
Not at all having a different opinion to me on any Albion subject doesn't make some one gormless (just wrong ;D) I had in mind some of the over the top abuse dished out to our players which sometimes steps over the mark. We all have different views of the world and sometimes I hear and see stuff that make me cringe inwardly but bottom line is I accept it because most people are just passionate about this football club and just want it to do well.

and after all we will still be here when Tony and his cronies have moved off to create the next Harlequins or Saracens
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on February 18, 2016, 11:55:16 AM
Our club was in MESS when Pulis joined, he kept us up and is now rebuilding after a time where we went around signing players of the standard of Samaras and Baird, players who arent good enough for the league below never mind the Prem.
This takes afew years to get over, we have players who should be no where near a prem squad but they will not budge or even more likely no one else wants them.

Yes the football isnt best and we need to open up more at home but lets give the man a few more transfers windows before bashing him.

With us sitting well clear of the bottom 3 and Pulis being the first manager in a long time to take the cup seriously he deserves all of support, we all want the same thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 18, 2016, 11:57:06 AM
I remember there being complaints about the quality of football under Hodgson.  Funny how people's views change.

The 4 team's with the worst defensive records currently occupy the bottom 4 positions in the table. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on February 18, 2016, 12:06:11 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 18, 2016, 11:57:06 AM
I remember there being complaints about the quality of football under Hodgson.  Funny how people's views change.

The 4 team's with the worst defensive records currently occupy the bottom 4 positions in the table.

I agree.

The comments i hear makes me think we used to play like Barcelona before Pulis came in, all i remember is tipy tapy under Mowbray which resulted in losing most weeks and finishing bottom (maybe second bottom).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Delfzijl Baggie on February 18, 2016, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: Sted1990 on February 18, 2016, 11:55:16 AM
Our club was in MESS when Pulis joined, he kept us up and is now rebuilding after a time where we went around signing players of the standard of Samaras and Baird, players who arent good enough for the league below never mind the Prem.
This takes afew years to get over, we have players who should be no where near a prem squad but they will not budge or even more likely no one else wants them.

Yes the football isnt best and we need to open up more at home but lets give the man a few more transfers windows before bashing him.

With us sitting well clear of the bottom 3 and Pulis being the first manager in a long time to take the cup seriously he deserves all of support, we all want the same thing.

Fully agree with that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 18, 2016, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: Sted1990 on February 18, 2016, 11:55:16 AM
Our club was in MESS when Pulis joined, he kept us up and is now rebuilding after a time where we went around signing players of the standard of Samaras and Baird, players who arent good enough for the league below never mind the Prem.
This takes afew years to get over, we have players who should be no where near a prem squad but they will not budge or even more likely no one else wants them.

Yes the football isnt best and we need to open up more at home but lets give the man a few more transfers windows before bashing him.

With us sitting well clear of the bottom 3 and Pulis being the first manager in a long time to take the cup seriously he deserves all of support, we all want the same thing.


I have been critical at times but you are spot on, the club was in a mess when he took over. i always said i wouldnt trust him with anymore money but thats generally when i am drowning my sorrows at 6pm on a saturday.
For the resources we have hes the best we are going to get. we just have to be patient thats all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 18, 2016, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 18, 2016, 11:44:01 AM
Not at all having a different opinion to me on any Albion subject doesn't make some one gormless (just wrong ;D) I had in mind some of the over the top abuse dished out to our players which sometimes steps over the mark. We all have different views of the world and sometimes I hear and see stuff that make me cringe inwardly but bottom line is I accept it because most people are just passionate about this football club and just want it to do well.

Very much agree regarding abuse (alll be it borne out of passion and frustration).

However, while I am occasionally misinformed I am rarely wrong.
 :) ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 18, 2016, 01:13:54 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 18, 2016, 11:57:06 AM
I remember there being complaints about the quality of football under Hodgson.  Funny how people's views change.

The 4 team's with the worst defensive records currently occupy the bottom 4 positions in the table.

Indeed it was - but not always. I watched the highlights last week of our 5-1 drubbing of the dingles. The football we played was superb. I believe we then went on to beat Sunderland 4-0, Chelsea 1-0 and Blackburn 3-0 within a matter of weeks. All I'm asking for is for us to be a bit more adventurous in games that are very winnable. Bournemouth and Villa at home spring to mind. We've shown once or twice it can be done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 18, 2016, 01:29:55 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 18, 2016, 08:56:00 AM
"those wins don't count". 

Nice.
Bugger. Not only do we have to put up with the rubbish performances, we don't get to benefit from the results they bring.  ??? Pulis must go.  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 18, 2016, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: Sted1990 on February 18, 2016, 11:55:16 AM
Our club was in MESS when Pulis joined, he kept us up and is now rebuilding after a time where we went around signing players of the standard of Samaras and Baird, players who arent good enough for the league below never mind the Prem.
This takes afew years to get over, we have players who should be no where near a prem squad but they will not budge or even more likely no one else wants them.

Yes the football isnt best and we need to open up more at home but lets give the man a few more transfers windows before bashing him.

With us sitting well clear of the bottom 3 and Pulis being the first manager in a long time to take the cup seriously he deserves all of support, we all want the same thing.

One of the most accurate and sensible posts in 300 pages
Can I also add that the players ran the club before Pulis arrived but he has been strong enough to put them in their place. They wont get rid of him like they did Pepe Mel
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2016, 01:43:15 PM
It must be very frustrating for those regular home and away fans like Devon who witness some pretty frustrating performances, but, as has been said, patience is the key here, if it was February 2017 and the football was as bad, perhaps it would be time for a rethink, but, TP needs support, not slating, back the team, ignore the biased media who hate us putting a stick between the spokes of their Premiership wheel, fcuk em all! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 18, 2016, 02:05:38 PM
Whilst I agree it is not (and I can't imagine it ever will be) embarrassing to be an Albion fan, it IS difficult to defend the "style" to a neutral.

For example, I travel daily on the train, I often discuss footy with West ham / leeds / norwich / cambridge / spurs / Arsenal fans, when we discuss WBA's results  invariably I get dependent how its gone a mix of  "pity" / apathy or down right sarcasm.

It NEVER used to be like that, I used to get told  good club / well run / try to do stuff right,  very positive comments.
So, do I care what others think? Too bloody right I do. I don't want my club to become a Millwall / Leeds / Stoke / Dingles like object of disdain or worse still pity!

If you feel differently thats your right, as my opinion is my right.

WBA FC will never embarrass me but I do feel less proud of them than I did !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 18, 2016, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 18, 2016, 01:13:54 PM
Indeed it was - but not always. I watched the highlights last week of our 5-1 drubbing of the dingles. The football we played was superb. I believe we then went on to beat Sunderland 4-0, Chelsea 1-0 and Blackburn 3-0 within a matter of weeks. All I'm asking for is for us to be a bit more adventurous in games that are very winnable. Bournemouth and Villa at home spring to mind. We've shown once or twice it can be done.
That's the difference for me, Hodgson's side had a cutting edge and could turn it on at times. The 1-5 was one of the best days in my 38 year Albion career, but you just don't get that with Pulis. Don't get me wrong, we have had some great results, but no great performances, not from an attacking perspective anyway.
West Ham in the cup proved it was still there but that has not been replicated.
He has alluded to seeing more of Saido and Rondon as a pair so hopefully we will see more attacking intent in the coming weeks. Starting tomorrow would be good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on February 18, 2016, 02:17:54 PM
I don't go anymore to be honest. But I'll tell you what, I used to go home and away week in week out and as an example I shall use this....

Standing there 3-0 down at halftime away to Sunderland in and then immediately going 4-0 down in the 49th minute as well as going to a freezing cold Britannia and getting torn a new one 3-0 by Ricardo f'ing Fuller IS NOT F'ING ENJOYABLE! Mowbray is so overrated and his "brand" was too.

Everyone here goes on about how Hodgson as the best manager we've had in forever. Re-watch some of our games in full and tell me it was so much more attacking than this team? Because it wasn't. We had pacier strikers/wingers which helped us counter quicker was the main difference. If we can sign some of those in summer then who knows?

I see things as they are. Not saying I'm right but sometimes I feel opinions are swayed by a cloudy memory etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 18, 2016, 02:21:34 PM
Quote from: Albionic on February 18, 2016, 02:05:38 PM
For example, I travel daily on the train, I often discuss footy with West ham / leeds / norwich / cambridge / spurs / Arsenal fans, when we discuss WBA's results  invariably I get dependent how its gone a mix of  "pity" / apathy or down right sarcasm.

Sam Allardyce's football is predominantly built around a solid defence, that's what ultimately cost him at Upton Park but his four 'negative' years saw them bounce back up and stabilise.

George Graham built one of the best defences seen in European football at Arsenal and Wenger inherited it contributing hugely to the two's success at the club.

Some fans might be seeing attractive football now but that has most definitely not always been the case. People forget, Rome wasn't built in a day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 18, 2016, 02:49:04 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on February 18, 2016, 09:05:36 AM
Not having a pop, genuinely interested to know just how deep your revulsion of our current 'style' runs.
I don't like/enjoy it very much but am prepared to put up with it because I'm a Baggie and will still be a Baggie long after he's gone. I've put up with various forms of sh*te over the years and long ago accepted I was never going to be in a position to actually change anything so I put up and generally shut up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on February 18, 2016, 03:15:47 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 18, 2016, 02:21:34 PM
Sam Allardyce's football is predominantly built around a solid defence, that's what ultimately cost him at Upton Park but his four 'negative' years saw them bounce back up and stabilise.

George Graham built one of the best defences seen in European football at Arsenal and Wenger inherited it contributing hugely to the two's success at the club.

Some fans might be seeing attractive football now but that has most definitely not always been the case. People forget, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Stick Nigel Pearson on there with Leicester, starting to get some credit now for how they are this season. I wonder if JP is thinking the same, what's the next step after Pulis. I think JP is probably more interested in stability for sell on value then taking the club forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2016, 03:50:42 PM
Quote from: swad35 on February 18, 2016, 03:15:47 PM
Stick Nigel Pearson on there with Leicester, starting to get some credit now for how they are this season. I wonder if JP is thinking the same, what's the next step after Pulis. I think JP is probably more interested in stability for sell on value then taking the club forward.

That is exactly my thoughts as well, trying to sell us in the Championship would be difficult and for far less. We are his pension fund!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 18, 2016, 04:21:53 PM
Quote from: Webby on February 18, 2016, 02:17:54 PM
I don't go anymore to be honest. But I'll tell you what, I used to go home and away week in week out and as an example I shall use this....

Standing there 3-0 down at halftime away to Sunderland in and then immediately going 4-0 down in the 49th minute as well as going to a freezing cold Britannia and getting torn a new one 3-0 by Ricardo f'ing Fuller IS NOT F'ING ENJOYABLE! Mowbray is so overrated and his "brand" was too.

Everyone here goes on about how Hodgson as the best manager we've had in forever. Re-watch some of our games in full and tell me it was so much more attacking than this team? Because it wasn't. We had pacier strikers/wingers which helped us counter quicker was the main difference. If we can sign some of those in summer then who knows?

I see things as they are. Not saying I'm right but sometimes I feel opinions are swayed by a cloudy memory etc.

I disagree. Look at my earlier post where I have stated just a few examples of games off the top of my head. Yes we had pace in the side but under Hodgson we did at least try and pass the ball - something alien to a TP side. Were we ever time wasting 10 minutes into games? Hoofing the ball aimlessly up field? Granted there were times when it wasn't great but on the whole we were miles better than we are now. TP has bought in wingers and strikers that he wanted and yet we are no better than we were last season. Give him some more money in the summer and he'll waste it on more of the same IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 18, 2016, 04:59:21 PM
There was plenty of hoofing under Hodgson....we had Reid and Olsson in our back four after all. We did have spells where we passed it more but, similar to Pulis, I think Hodgson's default was to get back to a more direct style if we had one or two bad results. Shane Long did plenty of chasing of aimless balls under Roy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 18, 2016, 06:48:05 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 18, 2016, 04:21:53 PM
I disagree. Look at my earlier post where I have stated just a few examples of games off the top of my head. Yes we had pace in the side but under Hodgson we did at least try and pass the ball - something alien to a TP side. Were we ever time wasting 10 minutes into games? Hoofing the ball aimlessly up field? Granted there were times when it wasn't great but on the whole we were miles better than we are now. TP has bought in wingers and strikers that he wanted and yet we are no better than we were last season. Give him some more money in the summer and he'll waste it on more of the same IMO.
What you are saying is dont spend nothing at all and expect to stay in this league with the aging squad we have or dont give him no money maybe he will quit or we get relegated thank heavens you are not incharge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 18, 2016, 06:52:30 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on February 18, 2016, 06:48:05 PM
What you are saying is dont spend nothing at all and expect to stay in this league with the aging squad we have or dont give him no money maybe he will quit or we get relegated thank heavens you are not incharge.

No what he is saying is fluck pulis off and give another manager who will not waste the money, to spend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2016, 06:57:35 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 18, 2016, 06:52:30 PM
No what he is saying is fluck pulis off and give another manager who will not waste the money, to spend.

This is a bit of a myth, Rondon has now scored more Premier league goals this season than Bony from less games, Fletcher has been a good signing, Evans a fantastic signing, McClean has been generally good, the jury is still out on Macman, even Chester is showing signs of life, his failure rate is far from unacceptable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 18, 2016, 07:16:44 PM
Quote from: Adder on February 18, 2016, 04:59:21 PM
There was plenty of hoofing under Hodgson....we had Reid and Olsson in our back four after all. We did have spells where we passed it more but, similar to Pulis, I think Hodgson's default was to get back to a more direct style if we had one or two bad results. Shane Long did plenty of chasing of aimless balls under Roy.

I said similar up the game and have been slated for it.  Roy was lucky to have workers like Long and Fortune and the maverick ability of Odemwingie.

Where they differ is as you say Hodgson used to go defensive style if we had one or two bad results however Pulis for some reason does this against any side around or below us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 18, 2016, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2016, 06:57:35 PM
This is a bit of a myth, Rondon has now scored more Premier league goals this season than Bony from less games, Fletcher has been a good signing, Evans a fantastic signing, McClean has been generally good, the jury is still out on Macman, even Chester is showing signs of life, his failure rate is far from unacceptable.

Have you really just compared Rondon to Bony???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 18, 2016, 08:17:48 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 18, 2016, 07:40:08 PM
Have you really just compared Rondon to Bony???

Why not - they are both strikers and play in the premiership against the same sides and defences, surely a valid comparison ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 18, 2016, 08:26:47 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 18, 2016, 08:17:48 PM
Why not - they are both strikers and play in the premiership against the same sides and defences, surely a valid comparison ;D

Lets compare against Aguero aswel f it  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 18, 2016, 08:28:49 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 18, 2016, 07:40:08 PM
Have you really just compared Rondon to Bony???

I would put money on Rondon having a better strike rate than Bony (in any comparison you would like to suggest)?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2016, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 18, 2016, 08:26:47 PM
Lets compare against Aguero aswel f it  ;D

But he cost £35million, it seems perfectly reasonable to me to point out Rondon is doing slightly better than Bony who everyone raved about, you said Pulis's signings have been poor, in fact, generally they have been quite good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 18, 2016, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2016, 08:31:30 PM
But he cost £35million, it seems perfectly reasonable to me to point out Rondon is doing slightly better than Bony who everyone raved about, you said Pulis's signings have been poor, in fact, generally they have been quite good.

Bony cost 28 million.

Arguement flawed by your own admission.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 18, 2016, 08:47:07 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 18, 2016, 08:39:49 PM
Bony cost 28 million.

Arguement flawed by your own admission.
You obviously not good at the maths
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2016, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on February 18, 2016, 08:47:07 PM
You obviously not good at the maths

I give up! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 18, 2016, 09:04:16 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2016, 08:52:15 PM
I give up! ;D
Long time ago! Good job I was to busy for the kick about with the "Messiah" So my footy views remained on the level.
I think Rondon in time will get better with hopefully improved service.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 18, 2016, 10:50:02 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 18, 2016, 08:39:49 PM
Bony cost 28 million.

Arguement flawed by your own admission.

Jeezy Chreezy let's split bleeding hairs shall we!!!

Valid point I thought!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 19, 2016, 12:01:31 AM
Rondon is a better player than Bony, don't know why it's disputed? Certainly has a better pre Premier League career.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 19, 2016, 01:41:07 AM
The grass is always greener on the other side aint it ,many people here would have loved to have what Palace have they havent won in ages and was supposedly in the runnings for Europe. Now if they lose to us which is very likely they will be looking at the trap door getting bigger.I know the football is not the best but we are doing better than what some people are moaning about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 19, 2016, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 19, 2016, 12:01:31 AM
Rondon is a better player than Bony, don't know why it's disputed? Certainly has a better pre Premier League career.

Lets await the £30m bids in the summer for him then shall we? Rondon is a 6 yard box poacher nothing more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on February 19, 2016, 10:38:53 AM
TP went up one notch in my estimation today by slating Roberto Martinez after the Everton manager had claimed Berahino should have been sent off in the match between the two sides last weekend for an alleged stamp, an incident that no-one else saw. Pulis said the comments smelt of sour grapes and added, “The disappointing thing for me is that another manager after the game is trying to find something that could affect this football and this football club has nothing to do with him".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbafc68 on February 19, 2016, 11:21:08 AM
Has he just said that I we win Saturday it is the first time in our history we have reached the quarter finals in consecutive years  :'( :'( :'(  If I'm not mistaken Mr P look at the record books for 67/68 & 68?69 seasons
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 19, 2016, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: wbafc68 on February 19, 2016, 11:21:08 AM
Has he just said that I we win Saturday it is the first time in our history we have reached the quarter finals in consecutive years  :'( :'( :'(  If I'm not mistaken Mr P look at the record books for 67/68 & 68?69 seasons
And 1890/91 - 91-92 & 1956/57 - 57/58
Perhaps history only started in 1992 with the invention of the Premier League, that's what they would have us believe anyway.
Remember when we beat Tottenham 1-0 the other year? The commentator referred to that as our first ever win at White Hart Lane. :'(
Tone should know better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 19, 2016, 12:09:16 PM
Oh well the normal TP press conference snakes and ladders. Advances 3 spaces for slagging Martinez off, two for building up Reading as best as he can, and then back four by misquoting the club's history. You know what I don't care just please go and attack a team currently 16th in the Championship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 19, 2016, 12:16:03 PM
1886 / 1887 / 1888 / 1889 - four years!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on February 19, 2016, 12:17:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 19, 2016, 12:01:31 AM
Rondon is a better player than Bony, don't know why it's disputed? Certainly has a better pre Premier League career.

Don't really see how you've come to that conclusion. Bony is much stronger for a target man and is a lot more clinical in front of goal. He consistently scored goals (many different types) for Swansea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 19, 2016, 12:18:08 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 19, 2016, 12:01:31 AM
Rondon is a better player than Bony, don't know why it's disputed? Certainly has a better pre Premier League career.
I agree, people don't yet realise what we've got with Rondon.  I just hope we have a manager next season who will be able to utilise him properly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 19, 2016, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 19, 2016, 12:18:08 PM
I agree, people don't yet realise what we've got with Rondon.  I just hope we have a manager next season who will be able to utilise him properly.
Pulis stated that he wants Saido and Rondon on the pitch together so, hopefully, we will see if he is any good in the latter stages of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on February 19, 2016, 01:54:54 PM
Rondon better than Bony?  Manchester City striker Wilfried Bony.  Really?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 19, 2016, 02:38:02 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on February 19, 2016, 01:54:54 PM
Rondon better than Bony?  Manchester City striker Wilfried Bony.  Really?
No I don't think he is better than Bony but I do believe we have a player who is capable of scoring 15-20 goals a season given the right support, won't happen under Pulis though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 19, 2016, 03:06:31 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on February 19, 2016, 01:54:54 PM
Rondon better than Bony?  Manchester City striker Wilfried Bony.  Really?

I gave up arguing the point.

Nothing shocks me with what people post on this site, i just wonder what people smoke and drink.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 19, 2016, 03:11:45 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 19, 2016, 03:06:31 PM
I gave up arguing the point.

Nothing shocks me with what people post on this site, i just wonder what people smoke and drink.

Mirror mirror ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 19, 2016, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on February 19, 2016, 01:54:54 PM
Rondon better than Bony?  Manchester City striker Wilfried Bony.  Really?

I certainly did not say he was better, I said his record this season is better, it is. :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 19, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 19, 2016, 03:35:22 PM
I certainly did not say he was better, I said his record this season is better, it is. :)
He got to be better Rondon has a better record with 1/10 th of the service Bony gets.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 19, 2016, 07:50:39 PM
Rondon 5 goals in 1633 minutes of Premier League football.
Bony 4 goals in 829 minutes of Premier League football.

Conversion rate is similar, both have 2 assists, but Bony smashes him in every other field. Duel success,  aerial dual success,  pass accuracy,  pass accuracy in opposition half. But in a better side that is to be expected. In a Pulis team I'd rather have a Rondon than a Bony.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 19, 2016, 09:08:38 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 19, 2016, 02:38:02 PM
No I don't think he is better than Bony but I do believe we have a player who is capable of scoring 15-20 goals a season given the right support, won't happen under Pulis though.
I think so to Signor.Hopefully that will come.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 19, 2016, 10:06:43 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 19, 2016, 07:50:39 PM
Rondon 5 goals in 1633 minutes of Premier League football.
Bony 4 goals in 829 minutes of Premier League football.

Conversion rate is similar, both have 2 assists, but Bony smashes him in every other field. Duel success,  aerial dual success,  pass accuracy,  pass accuracy in opposition half. But in a better side that is to be expected. In a Pulis team I'd rather have a Rondon than a Bony.

Misleading because Bony has made a lot of sub appearances, he has played in more games than Rondon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 20, 2016, 10:24:12 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 19, 2016, 10:06:43 PM
Misleading because Bony has made a lot of sub appearances, he has played in more games than Rondon.
Rondon 22 league appearances,  Bony 17 league appearances  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 20, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
The year Rondon scores 20 goals in a calendar people may be willing to compare him to Bony, until then... Tony Pulls anyone?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 20, 2016, 12:12:24 PM
I don't no why a debate about strikers has broken out on this thread Pulis averages about a goal a game regardless of which club he's managed and who the strikers were at those clubs and regardless of how much he has spent on them. The strikers are the biggest irrelevancy at this club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 20, 2016, 12:32:52 PM
have just read the article on the e&s site with pulis saying the players don't care enough about the fa cup. sad that players don't have that drive anymore to play in a cup final at Wembley, as a supporter I would sooner win the cup than the league.
the modern game and players suck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on February 20, 2016, 04:53:26 PM
6 games against lower league opposition this year, one win. Pulis' problem will forever be his only way of playing is dragging sides down to our level, and that's true regardless of if we play top of the league or bottom of league two.

Is there honestly a single side this year we've looked technically better than? I include Port Vale and the like in that statement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 04:55:03 PM
Get safe hopefully and go .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on February 20, 2016, 04:56:29 PM
We always lose to Reading in the cup. But I have had enough of Pulis's rubbish football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 20, 2016, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 04:55:03 PM
Get safe hopefully and go .

I think this may be the case.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on February 20, 2016, 04:58:18 PM
He makes me hate my own club. I think that says it all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on February 20, 2016, 04:58:29 PM
If Pulis is your manager and you can't defend set pieces you may as well not have a manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 04:58:59 PM
Protest being arranged for next saturday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 20, 2016, 04:59:49 PM
Quote from: wba_1996 on February 20, 2016, 04:58:18 PM
He makes me hate my own club. I think that says it all.

Nail on the head for me. I feel the same and it is horrible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 20, 2016, 05:00:29 PM
Please just go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 20, 2016, 05:01:08 PM
One win in six against lower league opposition this season. Dumped out of both cups with a whimper against Norwich and Reading. Season over. Dross football for the entire season. Cannot defend. Cannot attack. Cannot keep possession. Fans fighting with each other.

This bloke is tearing this club apart. Get him out NOW.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 05:02:03 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 04:58:59 PM
Protest being arranged for next saturday
Understand everything you say but this time of the season and on 32 points is not the time to blow a hole in our own foot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on February 20, 2016, 05:03:28 PM
Well done pulis for being the manager who finally makes me stop caring about my club. Couldnt care if he goes or stays
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 20, 2016, 05:03:50 PM
Thought provoking. As is the frenzy over defeat to Championship opposition. It's the FA Cup. Slate the performance, it was obviously woeful. However to slate someone based on there record against lower league opposition when in The Premiership we lie 14th is mind blowing.

Personally if I was Pulls I'd walk if I read some of the personal abuse being directed his way. There's quite simply no need for it. I'd wager money on him having the last laugh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 05:04:56 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 05:02:03 PM
Understand everything you say but this time of the season and on 32 points is not the time to blow a hole in our own foot.

That poster who said it makesnus hate our own club has hit the nail on the head.

We are all fed up and everyone is spending good money to watch that tripe. Something has to happen for peace and pulis to know we are not happy.

When a manager comes out and says he hopes the players are up for a game tells me the dressing room is not in unity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on February 20, 2016, 05:05:08 PM
I really hope that you will read this Tony!

For the love of God please go!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 05:10:50 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 05:04:56 PM
That poster who said it makesnus hate our own club has hit the nail on the head.

We are all fed up and everyone is spending good money to watch that tripe. Something has to happen for peace and pulis to know we are not happy.

When a manager comes out and says he hopes the players are up for a game tells me the dressing room is not in unity.
He was trying to get the importance of the FA Cup over , don't think it shows any splits.
Pulis knows , he got a lot of stick behind him at Peterborough about the situations.
I not happy under him but the players should not be escaping blame today , basic set piece defending.
I repeat , 32 points .....final run of games. Nothing good will come of an anti Pulis protest right now Imo and i think come next Saturday it will be put to one side for the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 20, 2016, 05:13:28 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 20, 2016, 05:03:50 PM
However to slate someone based on there record against lower league opposition when in The Premiership we lie 14th is mind blowing.
A lot of people don't like his style of play and defensive attitude. There's nothing worse than playing that way and also losing. Our general level of performance this season doesn't warrant us being 14th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on February 20, 2016, 05:13:55 PM
DISGRACE. Cant see him going anywhere though, JP doesnt give a pooh aslong as he keeps us in the prem regardless of how bad the football is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on February 20, 2016, 05:14:57 PM
With pulis it's tiny steps forward and gigantic steps backwards , every other week there seems to be a crisis at the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 20, 2016, 05:17:08 PM
Here we go again, any more personal abuse and the poster goes, we didn't allow it for other managers and will not allow it now.

I do not give a stuff how long you have been a member,m whether yes, months or new. Obey the rules or go elsewhere, up to you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bilston Dan on February 20, 2016, 05:17:23 PM
I like to think I'm quite rational when it comes to the Albion, but I'm at the end of my tether. I can't stand watching my team anymore. Start of the season I thought, yeah OK if we stay up again that's good but as the season's progressed so has the "football". Utter dross, I can sympathise with Stoke fans now. Pulis is a great manager for teams who are rubbish defensively, he'll sort them out but fans of any club who he manages next can't kid themselves that the football's going to suffer.

We just have no attacking flair at all. At least when Mowbray was in charge, ok we weren't the best team in the country (we just had the best midfield in the world) but it was so entertaining. It doesn't always matter if we win or not, it's just nice to be entertained and no wonder attendance has dropped. I feel sorry for the fans who are shelling out for this "football".

Rory Delap's not doing much these days is?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 20, 2016, 05:18:28 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 20, 2016, 05:13:28 PM
A lot of people don't like his style of play and defensive attitude. There's nothing worse than playing that way and also losing. Our general level of performance this season doesn't warrant us being 14th.

Fair enough to those who dislike his style, that's valid. My point was at those slating him for our record against lower league opposition. Irrespective of where we deserve to be, we are where we are. You don't get lucky for 32 games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 20, 2016, 05:19:21 PM
Let's face it, we got a win at Everton despite conceding a record number of shots. On 99 other occasions, we'd have lost that game. Winning it can't be put down to Pulis's tactical wizardry but, instead, was a victory achieved in spite of his tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on February 20, 2016, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 20, 2016, 05:03:50 PM
Thought provoking. As is the frenzy over defeat to Championship opposition. It's the FA Cup. Slate the performance, it was obviously woeful. However to slate someone based on there record against lower league opposition when in The Premiership we lie 14th is mind blowing.

Personally if I was Pulls I'd walk if I read some of the personal abuse being directed his way. There's quite simply no need for it. I'd wager money on him having the last laugh.

Let's hope he does walk! Would be no loss to the club at all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on February 20, 2016, 05:22:34 PM
He has to go
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 20, 2016, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: boing_boing68 on February 20, 2016, 05:21:44 PM
Let's hope he does walk! Would be no loss to the club at all

Who comes in?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 20, 2016, 05:19:21 PM
Let's face it, we got a win at Everton despite conceding a record number of shots. On 99 other occasions, we'd have lost that game. Winning it can't be put down to Pulis's tactical wizardry but, instead, was a victory achieved in spite of his tactics.
You say record shots but how many were on target? , how many saves did Foster make.
While Pulis gets the blame today his tactics won that game last week against a side who scored quite a few in weeks before our game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 20, 2016, 05:24:59 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 20, 2016, 05:22:48 PM
Who comes in?

FFS anyone!!

This myth that there is no one out there is utterly ridiculous. Who had heard of Pochetino before he went to Southampton? Look at him now.

There are thousands of managers out there, I'm pretty sure that there are one or two who are within our budget and are capable of building a team that can put more than two bloody passes together and more than one shot on target a game!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 20, 2016, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 05:22:59 PM
You say record shots but how many were on target? , how many saves did Foster make.
While Pulis gets the blame today his tactics won that game last week against a side who scored quite a few in weeks before our game.
Sorry Dexy, but I can't see how allowing the opposition 30+ shots can be regarded as good tactics, even though we luckily won.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 20, 2016, 05:29:45 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 05:22:59 PM
You say record shots but how many were on target? , how many saves did Foster make.
While Pulis gets the blame today his tactics won that game last week against a side who scored quite a few in weeks before our game.

I suppose letting Everton hit the post twice was tactical? It was just one of those days where they were never going to score.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 20, 2016, 05:30:34 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 20, 2016, 05:24:59 PM
FFS anyone!!

This myth that there is no one out there is utterly ridiculous. Who had heard of Pochetino before he went to Southampton? Look at him now.

There are thousands of managers out there, I'm pretty sure that there are one or two who are within our budget and are capable of building a team that can put more than two bloody passes together and more than one shot on target a game!

Of the little known managers appointed at Premiership clubs. Most of them haven't been like Wenger and Pochettino (whose record was actually very good in Spain).

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 20, 2016, 05:32:21 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 20, 2016, 05:29:45 PM
I suppose letting Everton hit the post twice was tactical? It was just one of those days where they were never going to score.

So when we lose it's Pulls' fault... and when we win we shouldn't have because of Pulls? On that note, good evening.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 05:33:38 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 20, 2016, 05:29:45 PM
I suppose letting Everton hit the post twice was tactical? It was just one of those days where they were never going to score.
Firstly i post in a good manner to you so please watch your tone to me.
Apart from that they got snuffed out , balance regarding Pulis is needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 20, 2016, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 04:58:59 PM
Protest being arranged for next saturday
And the point is what exactly?

If Peace or Pulis aren't aware what the fans think by now they never will.

A protest at this point won't serve any purpose, we need to pull together at least till survival is secure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 20, 2016, 05:35:09 PM
I cannot accept a league position of 14th is worth the utter misery of watching the dross that masquerades for football under Pulis. Today's result was the result that last week's performance deserved we just kid ourselves when we think that a scrappy 1:0 win represents progress.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 20, 2016, 05:37:59 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 05:33:38 PM
Firstly i post in a good manner to you so please watch your tone to me.
Apart from that they got snuffed out , balance regarding Pulis is needed.

There was no 'tone' intended in my post whatsoever.

Back to my original point I think we got very lucky last week and if we played them 100 times over in the same manner we would lose the majority.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 20, 2016, 05:39:59 PM
I don't for a second condone what happened today with Chris Brunt. A tremendous professional and when he has gone we will look back on him fondly.

However I do think that Pulis has created possibly the most toxic atmosphere amongst our fans. I guess that as someone who is 100% against Pulis, I perhaps play a part in that, but 300 odd pages of 'hate him/love him' posts is a demonstration of how split we all are.

What happened today with Brunt is unacceptable - but I can't help thinking its an indication of the very poor morale that exists amongst us all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on February 20, 2016, 05:40:56 PM
He is to blame

It's under his watch that the wrong playing staff have been bought
He keeps signing defensive players and playing players out of position
Chester would probably be our best player if he was given A chance at centre half
The full backs should have been played or moved on - but they have never had a chance
Up front he lets rondon start every game but then bemoans match fitness of other players and tiredness for that player

We will never progress under him. I was really hoping villa would try to sign him from us or Newcastle which would be our best chance of getting rid

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 20, 2016, 05:44:37 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 20, 2016, 05:39:59 PM
I don't for a second condone what happened today with Chris Brunt. A tremendous professional and when he has gone we will look back on him fondly.

However I do think that Pulis has created possibly the most toxic atmosphere amongst our fans. I guess that as someone who is 100% against Pulis, I perhaps play a part in that, but 300 odd pages of 'hate him/love him' posts is a demonstration of how split we all are.

What happened today with Brunt is unacceptable - but I can't help thinking its an indication of the very poor morale that exists amongst us all.

There is no excuse for throwing coins at anyone let alone your own players, not sure how you can put that onto Pulis at all.

Whether you back him or want him out or are inbetween you cannot put that on Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 20, 2016, 05:45:17 PM
As much as I'm in the Pulis out camp, I don't think he is to blame today. The defending was woeful by two experienced players who should know how to defend set peices.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 20, 2016, 05:46:19 PM
It sounds from what he has just said on WM, that he will be considering his future at the end of the season. I have said it before and I will say it again. No-one will do better with this squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 20, 2016, 05:48:29 PM
I posted earlier that pulis said the players don't care enough about the fa cup, maybe this result proves his point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 20, 2016, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on February 20, 2016, 05:45:17 PM
As much as I'm in the Pulis out camp, I don't think he is to blame today. The defending was woeful by two experienced players who should know how to defend set peices.

Defending was shocking by as you say experienced players. Players didn't seem interested from the start to be honest.

I'm still the same with Pulis, it is changing slightly with each week recently but I expected very different when he was appointed, didn't want him, won't be sorry if he goes but he'll do the job Peace appointed him to do, keep us somewhere in the middle each season.

At the moment he's doing it, football can be dire at times (not always as some try to make it out to be) but we still have our joint 2nd best record at this level after 26 games so Peace will be happy.

Its boring to watch, exactly like the Premier League is much too often these days with the odd thing here and there to liven it up but overall boring.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on February 20, 2016, 05:50:12 PM
If that's the case he may as well go now - as we will be safe and he is killing us with this awful awful football

He is probably angling to get fired though...

This season has been such a wasted opportunity to build on a solid foundation. We have gone backwards. We have no up and coming players to be excited about, We have had an easy cup run that we have made look hard and we play for nil nil with teams that are soposedly worse than us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 05:52:22 PM
My view with Pulis (away from the Sky hype ) since he has been with us is I've seen some good performances , I've seen some average performances but when we are bad we are really bad .
This club has been in a mess long before Pulis came , sadly i think he has only moved us sideways not forward with some of his signings and performances.
I think come Summer hopefully we are safe but it will be time to part ways with his record in one piece and us in the Greed league , i will warn everybody one thing though......there is NO magic wand and whoever comes in will be stuck with a squad full of ageing players bought by many people with a large majority not good enough under Clarke , Mel or Irvine let alone Pulis.
A protest when we are in touching distance of safety will achieve nothing , late season fine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 20, 2016, 05:52:58 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on February 20, 2016, 05:46:19 PM
It sounds from what he has just said on WM, that he will be considering his future at the end of the season. I have said it before and I will say it again. No-one will do better with this squad.
will be glad when he has gone , but you may be correct in saying no one will do better with this squad but he hasn't improved the squad except for evans, we need more to show for an outlay of £30m plus.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on February 20, 2016, 05:54:14 PM
Used to be in the Pro-Pulis camp but not anymore. Consistantly sets up the team with no intent to win.

Building his teams around solid defending and aiming to grind out 1-0 wins i can live with but such negative team selections don't even make this feasible.

For everyones sake i hope the club and TP come to a mutual agreement in the summer and move on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cheesyknackers on February 20, 2016, 06:00:21 PM
I'm fairly sure that without Tony Pulis , we wouldn't be in this division .

Be careful what you wish for ... we arent the only prem. team to get the boot out of the FA cup .

If Mr Pulis had a wedge of cash to work with ,  then I'm sure some of the players would be replaced .

With what he has , he isn't dong too bad a job .

I was there in the 80s and 90s ...   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on February 20, 2016, 06:01:30 PM
Another worrying aspect about Pulis' management is that he is prepared to sanction new contracts for players who are either not good enough or are past their sell by date.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 20, 2016, 06:02:02 PM
Protecting his never been relegated tag and end of season bonus..he fought tooth and nail to get his backroom staff here and this is the result. .we were not beaten by a lucky deflection today by a defensive team that parked the bus..we were out thought and out fought by an attacking mid table Championship team who has desire and belief in themselves and their manager..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 20, 2016, 06:04:13 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on February 20, 2016, 05:45:17 PM
As much as I'm in the Pulis out camp, I don't think he is to blame today. The defending was woeful by two experienced players who should know how to defend set peices.
Maybe it's something to do with how they're coached
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 20, 2016, 06:06:24 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on February 20, 2016, 05:46:19 PM
It sounds from what he has just said on WM, that he will be considering his future at the end of the season. I have said it before and I will say it again. No-one will do better with this squad.

Do you know what he said? Did he directly say that or is that reading between the lines?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on February 20, 2016, 06:09:32 PM
The last person who said he might not be here next season got the sack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 20, 2016, 06:12:07 PM
A lot of you had already made your minds up last December when he was first linked with the job. No doubt m666seys will be happy because he can finally shout Pulis Out against Palace like he predicted weeks ago.

West Brom are not as good as a lot of you seem to think. I know nobody likes to think bad of their own team but eventually the penny has to drop. You were a bottom 4 club before Pulis arrived but most of you seem to think you're still the 8th best team in the land thanks to Clarke's lucky season.

The club was going backwards for too long. The managerial overhaul just amplified things. You will never go anywhere if you don't give somebody time to rebuild. The next guy will be looking over his shoulder after 6 months and the cycle will start again. One day you'll be back in the Championship where you can look forward to more derby games.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cheesyknackers on February 20, 2016, 06:14:31 PM
Stoke lad is bang on ... Unfortunately ..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 20, 2016, 06:16:53 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 20, 2016, 06:06:24 PM
Do you know what he said? Did he directly say that or is that reading between the lines?

The comment was made on WM after the game in his post match interview. when asked about the fans turning on him he simply said he will sit down at the end of the season and discuss Next years plans then. Tom Ross picked up on the comment and speculated further that he was hinting to discussing his future. It was pretty difficult to see any other meaning in the comment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 20, 2016, 06:16:59 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 20, 2016, 05:44:37 PM
There is no excuse for throwing coins at anyone let alone your own players, not sure how you can put that onto Pulis at all.

Whether you back him or want him out or are inbetween you cannot put that on Pulis

Sorry mate but I didn't blame Pulis at all. That would be ludicrous. I blamed it on the frustration that exists amongst our fans as a result of the way he sets us out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on February 20, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 20, 2016, 06:12:07 PM
A lot of you had already made your minds up last December when he was first linked with the job. No doubt m666seys will be happy because he can finally shout Pulis Out against Palace like he predicted weeks ago.

West Brom are not as good as a lot of you seem to think. I know nobody likes to think bad of their own team but eventually the penny has to drop. You were a bottom 4 club before Pulis arrived but most of you seem to think you're still the 8th best team in the land thanks to Clarke's lucky season.

The club was going backwards for too long. The managerial overhaul just amplified things. You will never go anywhere if you don't give somebody time to rebuild. The next guy will be looking over his shoulder after 6 months and the cycle will start again. One day you'll be back in the Championship where you can look forward to more derby games.

"Clarke's lucky season" - behave. He did a far superior job to Tone on a smaller budget.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 20, 2016, 06:22:41 PM
Quote from: wbako on February 20, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
"Clarke's lucky season" - behave. He did a far superior job to Tone on a smaller budget.
Agree totally...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on February 20, 2016, 06:23:24 PM
Is it me or has it all gone pear shaped since Palace are taking him to court or am I being to simplistic that men can't concentrate on two things at the same time ( quote from the wife by the way)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 20, 2016, 06:25:09 PM
Quote from: wbako on February 20, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
"Clarke's lucky season" - behave. He did a far superior job to Tone on a smaller budget.

It was the epitome of lucky. Left a fantastic base by Hodgson and lucked out on Lukaku on loan. Just need to look at his performance from midway through said lucky season to the day of his sacking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cheesyknackers on February 20, 2016, 06:26:50 PM
Clarke walked into a team on the up , then screwed it .

When Pulis took over.  WBA were a shambles ...


In my opinion ...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 20, 2016, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 20, 2016, 06:12:07 PM
A lot of you had already made your minds up last December when he was first linked with the job. No doubt m666seys will be happy because he can finally shout Pulis Out against Palace like he predicted weeks ago.

West Brom are not as good as a lot of you seem to think. I know nobody likes to think bad of their own team but eventually the penny has to drop. You were a bottom 4 club before Pulis arrived but most of you seem to think you're still the 8th best team in the land thanks to Clarke's lucky season.

The club was going backwards for too long. The managerial overhaul just amplified things. You will never go anywhere if you don't give somebody time to rebuild. The next guy will be looking over his shoulder after 6 months and the cycle will start again. One day you'll be back in the Championship where you can look forward to more derby games.

Literally nobody thinks that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 20, 2016, 06:31:08 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 20, 2016, 06:25:09 PM
It was the epitome of lucky. Left a fantastic base by Hodgson and lucked out on Lukaku on loan. Just need to look at his performance from midway through said lucky season to the day of his sacking.
Behave yourself what about the following season when we won at old Trafford were robbed at the bridge and at home to Arsenal and away at stoke he definitely got the bad end of the stick with the refs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 06:32:03 PM
Stokelad , the majority of us know what a limited squad we have and the limitations our board allows.
I agree Pulis has had a large number of Albion fans against him since day 1 but there are/were plenty open minded with him . We don't expect every signing to work or to win every game but to see your side trying to defend for 88 mins lately just isn't enough when tickets etc cost so much these days.
I quite like Pulis himself , i can handle defending but you must have a threat other end which we don't.
I will add though theres more wrong at Albion than Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on February 20, 2016, 06:33:45 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 20, 2016, 06:25:09 PM
It was the epitome of lucky. Left a fantastic base by Hodgson and lucked out on Lukaku on loan. Just need to look at his performance from midway through said lucky season to the day of his sacking.

No, it wasn't.

He built well on the solid foundations left by Hodgson.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 20, 2016, 06:34:28 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on February 20, 2016, 06:31:08 PM
Behave yourself what about the following season when we won at old Trafford were robbed at the bridge and at home to Arsenal and away at stoke he definitely got the bad end of the stick with the refs.

Yes my mistake it was the fault of officials we only won 6 matches in 12 months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 20, 2016, 06:34:43 PM
Stoke lad , nobody and I really mean nobody thinks we are a top 8 club. What we do want is to be delivered a top 70 level of entertainment on the pitch. Under Tony Pulis we are not getting that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on February 20, 2016, 06:36:04 PM
I find it so frustrating with Pulis.

I think he says the right things, before the game on the radio he was talking about the FA cup and you could tell he cared, he had some good ideas for fans and i thought he really wants this.

The problem is when it comes to the nitty gritty he has a default playing mode and he goes back to it whether its Man City or Port Vale, its painful to watch but its effective enough to get him certain success for many years.

Now the players have a lot to answer for, they deserve as much of the flak as Pulis as for one of the first times ever under him, they didnt seem bothered, fall all his faults, Pulis's team give their all.

The problem is, its clearly a team effort to play the way we do, its not one player holding the others back, its the whole team and that setup comes down to the manager. Worst thing that happened was us scoring because it meant Reading came at us, at 0-0 it was a stalemate, what is worrying is that Reading could change their game when they conceded, we have shown we cant.

The sad thing is it doesnt have to be this way, we had a two month spell from mid november to early january where we played higher up the pitch, took the game to the opposition and got a decent points haul, so its not like the experiment failed, i just dont understand why we have reverted back to type. Yes we miss Morrison but we have other players who can play that role.

Pulis wasnt left a great squad of players to work with by any means but we do have some good players and many who can offer more than they are being asked / than they are offering (its a combination of the two) i think as a team we do the bare minimum required of footballers and thats make yourself hard to beat but we can do better than that and have shown it, i dont care about fancy passing, i just want to see a positive approach.

I dont see any point in getting rid of Pulis now, we will grind out enough points to stay up and then hopefully we part ways whether his choice or JP's the second the final whistle goes in the last game. Our season is over by the middle of February, last year it was early March.

Difference is last season i think we knew Pulis was brought in to stabilise us, i dont agree as a fan but as a business we had to be in the premier league, even after losing to Villa in the cup i think people knew Pulis would keep us up, stabilise us and given a year we may see progression.

Personally i dont feel we have progressed enough and this season i was expecting more from us, i suppose the flipside is, same as last season its all about being in the league for the following year, well we should do that but when will that cycle ever end, there are other ways of achieving it too rather than what we have done and i hope this season is the last of playing the way we do for a long time.

I think listening to more and more fans, they feel the same, the season lasts around 9 months and for the last 3 months of ours its going to be boring as s**t, not just because we are out the cup but because of what we offer on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 06:40:11 PM
Stokelad on here again patronising people.

How dare you come on here saying i will be happy next week, ive spent thousands following my team all over the country and am in more of a position to comment on MY team,  you know jacksh1t about me or wba before pulis.

Your love in for tony pulis is embarrassing go back to your own messageboards and criticise your own mungrel fans rather than come on here patronising paying customers of another football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 20, 2016, 06:44:15 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 20, 2016, 06:12:07 PM
A lot of you had already made your minds up last December when he was first linked with the job. No doubt m666seys will be happy because he can finally shout Pulis Out against Palace like he predicted weeks ago.

West Brom are not as good as a lot of you seem to think. I know nobody likes to think bad of their own team but eventually the penny has to drop. You were a bottom 4 club before Pulis arrived but most of you seem to think you're still the 8th best team in the land thanks to Clarke's lucky season.

The club was going backwards for too long. The managerial overhaul just amplified things. You will never go anywhere if you don't give somebody time to rebuild. The next guy will be looking over his shoulder after 6 months and the cycle will start again. One day you'll be back in the Championship where you can look forward to more derby games.

But if you give someone time to rebuild then you've got to make sure it's the right person.  Pulis is not a builder of teams.  He's a firefighter who will grind out results to keep a side up.  He could hire himself out every January on a 6-month contract and earn himself a fortune, but he's not someone who any club wants or needs for the medium or long term.

The problem is, who are the managers who can be trusted to build a team over 2/3 years?   If they get a bad run of 10 games at any time they will be gone.  If they do really well then they could well get poached by a bigger club.   It needs to be somebody who is not likely to be coveted again by a big club (Moyes?) or a younger manager with something about him  (McInnes, Clement, Rowett?)

However, the problem with a younger manager is the far bigger risk that they won't know how to cope with a bad run.  This is where Pulis really scores.  He knows how to find that unexpected win or draw to keep grinding out the points.  The decision that the club needs to make is how to mitigate that risk, and the answer is that there isn't a way.  It's a very real risk and it's one that the club simply has to take.  More of what we are seeing now is plainly unacceptable.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 20, 2016, 06:47:02 PM
I completely agree with giving someone 2-3 years to rebuild, but not Pulis, it's killing my caring for the club.

He MUST go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 06:52:08 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on February 20, 2016, 06:47:02 PM
I completely agree with giving someone 2-3 years to rebuild, but not Pulis, it's killing my caring for the club.

He MUST go.
Again though whoever follows him needs time they won't get and we will have bad times.
Rightly or not we are becoming known for sacking people in the game, modern football and modern fans .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 20, 2016, 06:52:14 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 20, 2016, 06:16:59 PM
Sorry mate but I didn't blame Pulis at all. That would be ludicrous. I blamed it on the frustration that exists amongst our fans as a result of the way he sets us out.

Sorry mate, misread it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 20, 2016, 06:52:57 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 06:40:11 PM
Stokelad on here again patronising people.

How dare you come on here saying i will be happy next week, ive spent thousands following my team all over the country and am in more of a position to comment on MY team,  you know jacksh1t about me or wba before pulis.

Your love in for tony pulis is embarrassing go back to your own messageboards and criticise your own mungrel fans rather than come on here patronising paying customers of another football club.
Brilliant post, i have never replied to any of his posts i never discuss the Albion with anyone who doesnt watch them, his love in with pulis is embarrassing, all i can say is, he must be really disillusioned with stoke!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 20, 2016, 06:52:08 PM
Again though whoever follows him needs time they won't get and we will have bad times.
Rightly or not we are becoming known for sacking people in the game, modern football and modern fans .

Is this the same for every club though? We could sack him tomorrow and get someone elsenin and as you say they will need time to build their squad. In my opinion we have only improved in one area and that is jonny evans. Fletcher has some decent games but i honestly believe we are only very slightly improved for the 30m that has been spent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on February 20, 2016, 07:04:37 PM
From his after match comments it's pretty certain he's off at the end of the season.

It's music to my ears to be honest. I despise what he represents. Plus I think the players are sick and tired of him as well.

Wouldn't surprise me if he went before the end of the season though. In fact I'd send him on gardening leave for the remainder of his contract so he can't spread his poisonous football for another year elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on February 20, 2016, 07:12:11 PM
If he does enough to keep us up, great. Then be on his merry way.

The next manager needs to be a footballing man, who is forward thinking. However it doesn't matter who the next manager is, if he isn't given the funds to do overhaul the squad.

It will be interesting to see who the fans want.

Monk or McInnes for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 20, 2016, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 08, 2016, 11:31:35 AM

Im shocked that people like boinging_along & Jacko still try to defend the performances of the past 5/6 weeks. Id love to sit next to them in the ground, and i could bet my house they are not so vocal. The next home game will be the time when patience will run out, and i cant wait.

Quote from: M666EYS on February 03, 2016, 07:58:20 AM

Im glad people are finally seeing what pulis is. Ive been saying this for a year. Long may the booing continue to get the message across. The attendance dropping is what pulis has bought to this club. Sooner hes gone the better.

Who have I patronised exactly?

You want Pulis to get the sack so you can say you were right along. I've seen it all before and that's why I could see what you were thinking a mile off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 20, 2016, 07:13:46 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 20, 2016, 06:12:07 PM
A lot of you had already made your minds up last December when he was first linked with the job. No doubt m666seys will be happy because he can finally shout Pulis Out against Palace like he predicted weeks ago.

West Brom are not as good as a lot of you seem to think. I know nobody likes to think bad of their own team but eventually the penny has to drop. You were a bottom 4 club before Pulis arrived but most of you seem to think you're still the 8th best team in the land thanks to Clarke's lucky season.

The club was going backwards for too long. The managerial overhaul just amplified things. You will never go anywhere if you don't give somebody time to rebuild. The next guy will be looking over his shoulder after 6 months and the cycle will start again. One day you'll be back in the Championship where you can look forward to more derby games.

Fine I'll take our chances the difference between Clarke's "lucky" 8th place was that it was worth watching rather than Pulis's lucky 14th place which is about as dispiriting as anything i have witnessed at the club, and trust me I have been through a lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 20, 2016, 07:21:42 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on February 20, 2016, 07:04:37 PM
From his after match comments it's pretty certain he's off at the end of the season.

It's music to my ears to be honest. I despise what he represents. Plus I think the players are sick and tired of him as well.

Wouldn't surprise me if he went before the end of the season though. In fact I'd send him on gardening leave for the remainder of his contract so he can't spread his poisonous football for another year elsewhere.
think you might be right with this.
pity all the talks about the despicable incident with brunt and not about another inept performance. has pulis said how much the reading team cost?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 20, 2016, 07:23:03 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 06:58:40 PM
Is this the same for every club though? We could sack him tomorrow and get someone elsenin and as you say they will need time to build their squad. In my opinion we have only improved in one area and that is jonny evans. Fletcher has some decent games but i honestly believe we are only very slightly improved for the 30m that has been spent.
Another point to add to this is after the Man City Leicester game, they made the point that Leicester's 11 cost £23M. When you look at the fact that Rondon,Chester and Mcmanaman cost the same as their whole team it shows Pulis's weakness in the transfer market and he shouldn't be trusted to spend anymore.
I think it's time to say thanks for keeping us up for 2 seasons (hopefully) and move on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 20, 2016, 07:25:10 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 20, 2016, 07:21:42 PM
think you might be right with this.
pity all the talks about the despicable incident with brunt and not about another inept performance. has pulis said how much the reading team cost?

Can't see it. Is he not on a bonus to keep us up. There will surely be something in his contract meaning he benefits financially. No way he walks away from that and no way we pay him off when he might leave in a couple of months anyway.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bilston Dan on February 20, 2016, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: weareblueweare white on February 20, 2016, 07:23:03 PM
Another point to add to this is after the Man City Leicester game, they made the point that Leicester's 11 cost £23M. When you look at the fact that Rondon,Chester and Mcmanaman cost the same as their whole team it shows Pulis's weakness in the transfer market and he shouldn't be trusted to spend anymore.
I think it's time to say thanks for keeping us up for 2 seasons (hopefully) and move on.

I think losing Dan Ashworth has made us less productive in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on February 20, 2016, 08:03:54 PM
Quote from: Bilston Dan on February 20, 2016, 07:26:43 PM
I think losing Dan Ashworth has made us less productive in the transfer market.

We'very had 3 years to replace him - we cannot keep going back to this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 20, 2016, 08:09:05 PM
Quote from: Bilston Dan on February 20, 2016, 07:26:43 PM
I think losing Dan Ashworth has made us less productive in the transfer market.
It has but he went over 3 years ago, and with TP having final say on all transfers we need to address both areas
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on February 20, 2016, 08:14:43 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Tone left in the summer. I'd be over the moon personally. I'd say we've benefitted from having him and behind the scenes is probably more professional now along with us having a good core of a team. I genuinely think that with a different type of manager such as Moyes or even dare I say Mowbray, we have he attacking flowing type of players to do well in the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 20, 2016, 08:16:29 PM
Quote from: The Joust on February 20, 2016, 08:14:43 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Tone left in the summer. I'd be over the moon personally. I'd say we've benefitted from having him and behind the scenes is probably more professional now along with us having a good core of a team. I genuinely think that with a different type of manager such as Moyes or even dare I say Mowbray, we have he attacking flowing type of players to do well in the league.

I found myself agreeing totally with you until you mentioned Mowbray.   Let go man!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on February 20, 2016, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 20, 2016, 08:16:29 PM
I found myself agreeing totally with you until you mentioned Mowbray.   Let go man!

All he needed was Yacob in that side and it would have been different  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 20, 2016, 08:21:09 PM
Quote from: The Joust on February 20, 2016, 08:18:17 PM
All he needed was Yacob in that side and it would have been different  ;D

Plus about 6 defenders
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on February 20, 2016, 08:24:05 PM
Just heard pulls' interview on wm. First hint that he may be off in the summer, saying something like 'the aim is to keep the club up and then I'll sit with peace and we'll take it from there'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 20, 2016, 08:31:12 PM
Yep I think the writings on the wall for Tone.
He knows how the fans feel and I think he realises where he stands
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 20, 2016, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 20, 2016, 08:31:12 PM
Yep I think the writings on the wall for Tone.
He knows how the fans feel and I think he realises where he stands
Totally agree this is the only positive to come out of what as been a shambolic day for the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on February 20, 2016, 09:14:58 PM
No one wants to accept most of these players are bottom 6 Prem/Top 8 Championship players? That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So technically they are right were the should be and will lose to other teams in there.

Pulis sees it and sets them up to be organised because of they weren't you'd be seeing a few 4-0/5-0 more regularly.

Not saying I support TP or his style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 20, 2016, 09:22:33 PM
Quote from: Webby on February 20, 2016, 09:14:58 PM
No one wants to accept most of these players are bottom 6 Prem/Top 8 Championship players? That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So technically they are right were the should be and will lose to other teams in there.

Pulis sees it and sets them up to be organised because of they weren't you'd be seeing a few 4-0/5-0 more regularly.

Not saying I support TP or his style.

Really, why is it he sets us up the same way against clubs from the lower reaches of the championship and League 1 then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on February 20, 2016, 09:24:11 PM
A messy day for our club. Unacceptable to throw coins or anything else for that matter. I'm the first to criticise Brunt and I cannot stand this idea that his longevity gives him cult status when the bloke has been a bang average footballer for the past 4 years whilst becoming a multi-millionaire on the back of the club. However, he could have lost an eye or been seriously hurt. WBA has never been like that and it's a horrific reflection on what Pulis has done to the fanbase.

The other frustrating thing is that the incident takes the focus away from an utterly woeful, hopeless away performance with all the ambition of a dying gnat.

I accept that our squad of players- midfield in particular- is not going to be a hugely possession-dominant one- but you cannot for 90 minutes just keep sitting back, and sitting back without offering a damn good threat going forward. It's a hiding to nothing and I almost think Pulis is being deliberately stubborn now because he can set us up more aggressively than this. It's pitiful, and that is no exaggeration.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on February 20, 2016, 09:33:31 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35566559

Just seen the goals- to concede off 2 set pieces is bad for us given its what we set our team up for. The lads reaction and body language was not great after either of them. They look fed up like they need some freedom and freshening up a bit.

I just cant see JP getting rid before the Premier league safety is assured though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on February 20, 2016, 10:36:44 PM
he has to go sooner rather than later !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 20, 2016, 11:03:23 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on February 20, 2016, 10:36:44 PM
he has to go sooner rather than later !
End of season not now too risky but I honestly think he is gone in the summer argument over transfer money or something of that nature.Very dissapointed today to see us concede to set pieces which we supposed to be experts at .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on February 20, 2016, 11:04:20 PM
Let's be honest with ourselves, JP is too smart a cookie to get rid of Pulis now, but rest assured, he won't be our manager next season. Whether that be JP's decision or TP's, I think the Penny's dropped that he's not suited for us. If he was the Villa manager this season he'd keep them up, guaranteed!
I keep hearing people saying, be careful what you wish for, remember Charlton. But, I'm convinced we'll have a new manager next season!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 20, 2016, 11:06:18 PM
He can't get rid now
TP was being clever by saying they will take it from there come the end of season

It alludes to the fact he may leave, which in turn means JP WONT RISK A PAYOFF ANYTIME BEFORE END OF SEASON

very clever
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 20, 2016, 11:08:08 PM
Quote from: Pelada on February 20, 2016, 09:33:31 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35566559

Just seen the goals- to concede off 2 set pieces is bad for us given its what we set our team up for. The lads reaction and body language was not great after either of them. They look fed up like they need some freedom and freshening up a bit.

I just cant see JP getting rid before the Premier league safety is assured though.

Freshening up - you mean like signing a very hungry, talented young playmaker on loan from Spurs who could create chances and make things happen, and then leave him on the bench for 80 minutes?

I think the players already know now that Pulis is going in the summer.  That's certainly how it looked today


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 20, 2016, 11:09:08 PM
It's not 'clever' by keeping him until the end of the season, it's common sense. Results wise, he's still a good manager at this level and will most likely keep us up. Whatever way you view the money spent, performances etc, he's got us 32 points this season. Replacing him before the season ends would be the worst decision that Peace ever made.
I imagine there may be a clause that if he's sacked then the pay-off is slightly less in the off-season anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 20, 2016, 11:43:04 PM
Another abysmal performance to add to the list.

This side have no idea how to attack. It is a lumped ball from the centre halves towards the carthorses upfront and then playing for second balls. Our midfield are so deep we're nowhere near contesting the seconds balls!

Our defending this season has also been quite frankly awful which poses a major problem for a side who cannot score many either.

Just go Tone - and take your cap, stupid trainers and whinging with you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 20, 2016, 11:52:27 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on February 20, 2016, 11:43:04 PM
Another abysmal performance to add to the list.

This side have no idea how to attack. It is a lumped ball from the centre halves towards the carthorses upfront and then playing for second balls. Our midfield are so deep we're nowhere near contesting the seconds balls!

Our defending this season has also been quite frankly awful which poses a major problem for a side who cannot score many either.

Just go Tone - and take your cap, stupid trainers and whinging with you.
I get your complaints but would you seriously want him gone now as opposed to when the season ends? In my view, we are nearly certain to stay up with him at the helm, because he will grind out a result similar to Everton at some point.
And from a stability point of view it would be best to keep things like this instead of a risky new manager. If a new manager is awful at this stage, it can mean relegation; but after a pre-season they can be replaced in time for survival (like with Irvine).

I do disagree with his trainers though, they look quality
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba58 on February 21, 2016, 12:14:41 AM
I was originally a Pulis fan, at the turn of the year I was on the fence. Today I have slipped in to the Pulis must leave zone.

Keep him until we're safe, start the search for a new manager, give them the funds to create a new squad, and invest in creating this club something to be proud of again. Stop using marketing tosh like the albion assembly just for show and start implementing some of the ideas that have come out of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 21, 2016, 12:51:12 AM
I just hope we stay up to be honest. After beating Everton, albeit luckily, I was fairly confident.

However, the whole club seems to be in self destruct mode, the players don't seem happy, the fans definitely aren't happy and it all seems very bleak.

Hopefully we can get 8 or so points out of the 12 games, but it's no given. All the other clubs barring Villa will stick together and battle, I couldn't say the same about Albion.

Whatever happens, Pulis won't survive, it's just a matter of timing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 21, 2016, 01:19:45 AM
At the outset of his tenure I thought it might run the course of his contract and a bit of stability would be welcome and I'd suck it up. Bearing mind my support for this club has encompassed some truly dark times but there is something that is so uniquely dispiriting about Pulisball and I just want to him to go as soon as possible if we limp over the line with him then so be it. 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 21, 2016, 02:30:45 AM
F off completely. NOW, Pulis. You're utterly clueless.

Yes, over the last year I've changed my tune but trust me, it's changed well and truly now.

Go. And take your rubbish dress sense with you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 21, 2016, 02:32:36 AM
Quote from: The Joust on February 20, 2016, 08:14:43 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Tone left in the summer. I'd be over the moon personally. I'd say we've benefitted from having him and behind the scenes is probably more professional now along with us having a good core of a team. I genuinely think that with a different type of manager such as Moyes or even dare I say Mowbray, we have he attacking flowing type of players to do well in the league.

Mowbray my backside. Let's not go backwards!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 21, 2016, 02:39:00 AM
Quote from: wba58 on February 21, 2016, 12:14:41 AM
I was originally a Pulis fan, at the turn of the year I was on the fence. Today I have slipped in to the Pulis must leave zone.

Keep him until we're safe, start the search for a new manager, give them the funds to create a new squad, and invest in creating this club something to be proud of again. Stop using marketing tosh like the albion assembly just for show and start implementing some of the ideas that have come out of it.

ALL of that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 21, 2016, 03:08:45 AM
Quote from: johnthebaggie on February 21, 2016, 12:51:12 AM
I just hope we stay up to be honest. After beating Everton, albeit luckily, I was fairly confident.

However, the whole club seems to be in self destruct mode, the players don't seem happy, the fans definitely aren't happy and it all seems very bleak.

Hopefully we can get 8 or so points out of the 12 games, but it's no given. All the other clubs barring Villa will stick together and battle, I couldn't say the same about Albion.

Whatever happens, Pulis won't survive, it's just a matter of timing.
Can't argue with this.
someone earlier tweeted that the atmosphere was toxic and Pulis had split the club and the fanbase and today was just an example of that. I see their point, this is only going one way...
The only thing i will say is Pulis isnt the only problem at the club, with this squad we will need harry houdini and international rescue to help us out. JP has alot to answer for and we need to change quite a few things, not just the manager.
Last year we finished 13th and the year before 17th...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 03:28:41 AM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on February 21, 2016, 02:32:36 AM
Mowbray my backside. Let's not go backwards!!!!

The more worrying part of his post was the suggestion Moyes plays decent football!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 21, 2016, 07:26:20 AM
Get through to the end of the season and then make a change. The crowd have well and truly turned and I don't see a way back now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 21, 2016, 07:51:14 AM
I would honestly make a change now. We only need two wins and maybe two or three draws to see us through, barring another disaster appointment like Irvine any manager worth their salt should achieve this.

Pulis out now, get Rodgers in and give him this last ten or so games to evaluate the squad before a much needed summer cull.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 21, 2016, 07:56:45 AM
Get him out bloke is a complete an utter negative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 21, 2016, 07:59:39 AM
Sacking Tony Pulis now would be madness, grim as things are, the club is a mess, it was before Pulis, if he goes this summer, it still will be, there is no easy solution to this situation, the DNA of the club is flawed and we have become the Elephant man of the League.

Tony Pulis was given the job to sort it out, it will be ugly, it will be painful, but as at Stoke, given the chance, we will turn a corner, get a better squad, and a more dynamic manager as Stoke have done, for now, we have to put up with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 21, 2016, 08:11:11 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 21, 2016, 07:59:39 AM
Sacking Tony Pulis now would be madness, grim as things are, the club is a mess, it was before Pulis, if he goes this summer, it still will be, there is no easy solution to this situation, the DNA of the club is flawed and we have become the Elephant man of the League.

Tony Pulis was given the job to sort it out, it will be ugly, it will be painful, but as at Stoke, given the chance, we will turn a corner, get a better squad, and a more dynamic manager as Stoke have done, for now, we have to put up with it.

Why exactly do we have to put up with it? We don't have to put up with anything if it's not good enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jefferson on February 21, 2016, 08:34:30 AM
Quote from: Webby on February 20, 2016, 09:14:58 PM
No one wants to accept most of these players are bottom 6 Prem/Top 8 Championship players? That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So technically they are right were the should be and will lose to other teams in there.

Pulis sees it and sets them up to be organised because of they weren't you'd be seeing a few 4-0/5-0 more regularly.

Not saying I support TP or his style.

Pulis could spend £100m in the summer and would still set up the same next season.

He's only got one way of playing and setting a team up. At Stoke they were consistently the biggest spenders outside the top 6 for a few years and they were still always around 14th place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 21, 2016, 08:41:01 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 21, 2016, 03:08:45 AM
Can't argue with this.
someone earlier tweeted that the atmosphere was toxic and Pulis had split the club and the fanbase and today was just an example of that. I see their point, this is only going one way...
The only thing i will say is Pulis isnt the only problem at the club, with this squad we will need harry houdini and international rescue to help us out. JP has alot to answer for and we need to change quite a few things, not just the manager.
Last year we finished 13th and the year before 17th...
Totally agree, it's all gone wrong since Hodgson and Ashworth left. Once Peace and Pulis go, an overhaul will be forced to happen as Pulis has got rid of our technical directors.

Problem is we need to stay up for Peace to be able to sell. If we go down no one will pay what he wants. That would be a disaster for the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 21, 2016, 08:42:36 AM
I'm not suggesting we sack him, I've said many times before that I've never advocated the sacking of a coach but what is Tony Pulis actually bringing to the table at the minute? Tactical genius?  Not really,  every game is pretty much set up the same. Defend, defend, try and sneak a set play and defend some more. If we are drawing no unenforced substitution.  If we are losing at 70 minutes bring on a forward, if we are winning bring on a defender. He picks roughly the same 11 every week and shouts a lot.
No matter what people suggest we have a squad capable of keeping us up comfortably, seasoned internationals, let them play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on February 21, 2016, 09:02:39 AM
I'd give him to the end of the season and then part ways with him. I think it's clear he's lost the fans and its evidently clear he's loosing the players. In what was 5 games against lower league opposition in the cup 1 win 4 draws (Peterborough replay has to count as a draw) and one defeat having been outplayed in most of them is unacceptable. You ask Newcastle, Southampton, Villa, Palace, Everton (34 shots, 76% possession), Reading fans who the worst team they played this year and we'd come comfortably top.

Get rid in the summer and get Moyes in, yes he's not known to play expansive football (abit like Hodgeson) but you ask any Albion fan at the moment which football they would rather watch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 21, 2016, 09:09:00 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 21, 2016, 08:42:36 AM
I'm not suggesting we sack him, I've said many times before that I've never advocated the sacking of a coach but what is Tony Pulis actually bringing to the table at the minute? Tactical genius?  Not really,  every game is pretty much set up the same. Defend, defend, try and sneak a set play and defend some more. If we are drawing no unenforced substitution.  If we are losing at 70 minutes bring on a forward, if we are winning bring on a defender. He picks roughly the same 11 every week and shouts a lot.
No matter what people suggest we have a squad capable of keeping us up comfortably, seasoned internationals, let them play.

I'm not opposed to a parting of the ways in the summer, but we need to have a decent replacement sorted out, not the normal farce and second rate options.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 21, 2016, 09:12:05 AM
Pulis has no long term future at the club. It is just a question of when he goes. There are a number of scenarios

1. Go now - For this to happen there has to be a head coach waiting in the wings to take us through to the end of the season we are not yet safe and there is no obvious person to step into a caretaker role because all the coaching staff are TP's buddies. The advantage is that a new manager gets to look at the squad before we offer contracts to Olsson etc...  and we are close enough to the line to get over it even allowing for a certain amount of disruption.
 
2. Go at the end of the season this is a neater solution providing Pulis doesn't take us down (not completely impossible and I sense things are unraveling quickly) but it has to be the end of the season not on the eve of the new season like Palace. If there is simmering tension between owner and manager it needs to be sorted  as soon as possible at the end of the season. The advantage is that there might be managers available then that aren't now but obviously the new guy has less time to work with the players and bearing in mind the closed season will be truncated because of the Euros

3. Go at the end of next season TP get's more time and money to change the 10 men he put's behind the ball every week.In short not a great answer but not an impossible outcome. Without a dramatic improvement in performances the level of fan disenchantment would be such that Peace would be extremely unlikely to renew his contract.

There is of course the possibility his one trick fails next season and he is sacked while we are in the relegation spots around November or suddenly he discovers his inner Guardiola and we are transformed. I think one of the 3 scenario's is much more likely than either to be honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 21, 2016, 09:12:21 AM
As people have been kicking backwards and forwards to what extent our league position is down to good tactics from Pulis, I thought I'd dig out some stats for our 8 league victories so far this season (source BBC match reports):

Villa (A) 1-0
Possession: Albion 40% Villa 60%
Shots on target: Albion 6 Villa 3
Shots off target: Albion 4 Villa 10
Verdict: Deserved

Stoke (A) 1-0
Possession: Albion 51% Stoke 49%
Shots on target: Albion 5 Stoke 5
Shots off target: Albion 10 Stoke 8
Verdict: Appalling against 9 men

Sunderland (H) 1-0
Possession: Albion 56% Sunderland 44%
Shots on target: Albion 2 Sunderland 2
Shots off target: Albion 7 Sunderland 7
Verdict: Mediocre - "a game low on quality" (BBC)

Norwich (A) 1-0
Possession: Albion 39% Norwich 61%
Shots on target: Albion 4 Norwich 3
Shots off target: Albion 3 Norwich 13
Verdict: Fortunate

Arsenal (H) 2-1
Possession: Albion 27% Arsenal 73%
Shots on target: Albion 1 Arsenal 3
Shots off target: Albion 3 Arsenal 8
Verdict: Lucky

Newcastle (H) 1-0
Possession: Albion 52% Newcastle 48%
Shots on target: Albion 5 Newcastle 2
Shots off target: Albion 17 Newcastle 5
Verdict: Well deserved

Stoke (H) 2-1
Possession: Albion 46% Stoke 54%
Shots on target: Albion 5 Stoke 3
Shots off target: Albion 12 Stoke 7
Verdict: Deserved

Everton (A) 1-0
Possession: Albion 24% Everton 76%
Shots on target: Albion 1 Everton 6
Shots off target: Albion 4 Everton 27
Verdict: Extremely lucky

So, IMO, 3 of them can be regarded as deserved and 3 have been lucky. The victory at Stoke, whilst not lucky, was an appalling performance.

So, have we also had unlucky defeats? Here are the stats on our 10 league defeats:

Man City (H) 0-3
Possession: Albion 31% Man City 69%
Shots on target: Albion 2 Man City 7
Shots off target: Albion 7 Man City 13
Verdict: Well beaten

Chelsea (H) 2-3
Possession: Albion 44% Chelsea 56%
Shots on target: Albion 6 Chelsea 5
Shots off target: Albion 9 Chelsea 10
Verdict: Reasonable but played against 10 men for most of the second half

Everton (H) 2-3
Possession: Albion 46% Everton 54%
Shots on target: Albion 4 Everton 4
Shots off target: Albion 5 Everton 8
Verdict: Threw away a 2 goal lead


Crystal Palace (A) 0-2
Possession: Albion 44% Palace 56%
Shots on target: Albion 2 Palace 8
Shots off target: Albion 5 Palace 13
Verdict: Abject

Leicester (H) 2-3
Possession: Albion 48% Leicester 52%
Shots on target: Albion 6 Leicester 5
Shots off target: Albion 8 Leicester 8
Verdict: Should be more dominant at home

Man Utd (A) 0-2
Possession: Albion 32% Man Utd 68%
Shots on target: Albion 0 Man Utd 3
Shots off target: Albion 4 Man Utd 10
Verdict: Never in it

Bournemouth (H) 1-2
Possession: Albion 33% Bournemouth 67%
Shots on target: Albion 2 Bournemouth 6
Shots off target: Albion 5 Bournemouth 10
Verdict: Not unlucky, but we played two-thirds of the game with 10 men

Swansea (A) 0-1
Possession: Albion 44% Swansea 56%
Shots on target: Albion 3 Swansea 2
Shots off target: Albion 6 Swansea 5
Verdict: Very poor until substitutions were made to chase the game

Southampton (A) 0-3
Possession: Albion 44% Southampton 56%
Shots on target: Albion 0 Southampton 4
Shots off target: Albion 10 Southampton 4
Verdict: Poor

Newcastle (A) 0-1
Possession: Albion 31% Newcastle 69%
Shots on target: Albion 0 Newcastle 7
Shots off target: Albion 7 Newcastle 12
Verdict: Abysmal

IMO, none of the defeats can really be regarded as unlucky. Leicester was the closest, but we needed an 84th minute penalty to only lose by the 1 goal.

Taking into account that we haven't put in a good performance in any of the cup ties this season, I contend that the bad significantly outweighs the good this season. Add in our generally negative approach to games and it's obvious to see why the level of restlessness amongst our fans is increasing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 21, 2016, 09:12:56 AM
I don't like the football he serves , never have , but he came to do a job and he has done it.
Being in the cup (for the company that is West Bromwich Albion) provides risk on the investments (injuries/fatigue) so they will not be too concerned.
But you have to have a level of respect that can operate at a level of consistency and he clearly does, without all the stats he keeps a club safe ....this is the be all and end all for WBA this season.
I want him gone, but if you look carefully down the road , Lamberk had a simple brief, generate cash, reduce the wage bill, keep them up.....he did this year after year, the fans turned and now look........
I want TP gone , we can get rid now(I could keep them up from here) albeit at a financial cost , but the next appointment is truly massive..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 21, 2016, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on February 21, 2016, 09:12:56 AM
I don't like the football he serves , never have , but he came to do a job and he has done it.
Being in the cup (for the company that is West Bromwich Albion) provides risk on the investments (injuries/fatigue) so they will not be too concerned.
But you have to have a level of respect that can operate at a level of consistency and he clearly does, without all the stats he keeps a club safe ....this is the be all and end all for WBA this season.
I want him gone, but if you look carefully down the road , Lamberk had a simple brief, generate cash, reduce the wage bill, keep them up.....he did this year after year, the fans turned and now look........
I want TP gone , we can get rid now(I could keep them up from here) albeit at a financial cost , but the next appointment is truly massive..


Very good post, whole heartedly agree. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mig on February 21, 2016, 09:18:10 AM
Obviously there is absolutely no excuse for the coin throwing yesterday and hopefully that fan is banned for life and prosecuted for his actions. What I would say is that, more than anyone or anything else, Pulis is responsible for creating this atmosphere at the club.

We were in a much worse position under Mowbray when we went down but the way we played meant that we could at least enjoy some games and the way we went about them. Now it is just awful, playing for 0-0 every week, potentially scraping a set piece goal. For me this isn't even bearable when we win - that Everton game could be replayed 100 times and we'd lose it over 90, it's not even like the strategy really worked, we just got lucky.

Also want to say Pulis does not guarantee survival. This is a dangerous and completely false perception which I worry is held by the club management and probably a fair few fans too. The league is changing, everyone can afford better players, and if you sit back and defend against teams like Newcastle or Watford now they have people like Wijnaldum, Ighalo and co who will cause problems. It is completely different to how it was when he kept Stoke up.

But regardless, even if we were guaranteed survival, what is the point if this is the football we are going to be subjected to? Oh great, we stayed up, spent £50m on great players, but they are all sitting on the bench or playing in a system where they don't see the ball for 20mins at a time. To me it is comletely pointless. Sack him now, get in a manager who can build a proper identity of attractive football, hopefully building from our academy if possible, and give him time, even if it means relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 21, 2016, 09:23:04 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 21, 2016, 09:12:05 AM
Pulis has no long term future at the club. It is just a question of when he goes. There are a number of scenarios

1. Go now - For this to happen there has to be a head coach waiting in the wings to take us through to the end of the season we are not yet safe and there is no obvious person to step into a caretaker role because all the coaching staff are TP's buddies. The advantage is that a new manager gets to look at the squad before we offer contracts to Olsson etc...  and we are close enough to the line to get over it even allowing for a certain amount of disruption.
 
2. Go at the end of the season this is a neater solution providing Pulis doesn't take us down (not completely impossible and I sense things are unraveling quickly) but it has to be the end of the season not on the eve of the new season like Palace. If there is simmering tension between owner and manager it needs to be sorted  as soon as possible at the end of the season. The advantage is that there might be managers available then that aren't now but obviously the new guy has less time to work with the players and bearing in mind the closed season will be truncated because of the Euros

3. Go at the end of next season TP get's more time and money to change the 10 men he put's behind the ball every week.In short not a great answer but not an impossible outcome. Without a dramatic improvement in performances the level of fan disenchantment would be such that Peace would be extremely unlikely to renew his contract.

There is of course the possibility his one trick fails next season and he is sacked while we are in the relegation spots around November or suddenly he discovers his inner Guardiola and we are transformed. I think one of the 3 scenario's is much more likely than either to be honest.

There is a 2nd option, and ideally his replacement is lined up now.

However, there is of course a big complication.  Surely any new owner will want to make the appointment, and we don't know what a new owner will want, what their transfer budget will be etc.  Any new manager will want to know that.   The club's ownership situation could therefore substantially derail the appointment of a successor manager and I fear that the successor will come in with several player contracts having been renewed and his hands inadvertently tied before entering the next transfer window.

Quite a conundrum.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on February 21, 2016, 09:26:27 AM
The squad needs a big overhaul, and I mean big.  I don't want Pulis to be in charge of that, so he should go at the end of the season whatever.  The win at Everton bought him some goodwill, but that's all evaporated again.  How can you surrender the midfield like that to a mid-championship side?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 21, 2016, 10:11:59 AM
His staying beyond this season is untenable for me. We have some good players who could do much better for us, but of course TP won't use them or puts square pegs in round holes.

For the first time in my life I felt slightly embarrassed yesterday when I told someone I supported West Brom. That's bad and I never want to think like that again.... but what we're watching now isn't even football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 21, 2016, 10:16:47 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 21, 2016, 09:23:04 AM
There is a 2nd option, and ideally his replacement is lined up now.

However, there is of course a big complication.  Surely any new owner will want to make the appointment, and we don't know what a new owner will want, what their transfer budget will be etc.  Any new manager will want to know that.   The club's ownership situation could therefore substantially derail the appointment of a successor manager and I fear that the successor will come in with several player contracts having been renewed and his hands inadvertently tied before entering the next transfer window.

Quite a conundrum.

I don't think the sale is happening in the short term. Plainly if it does the landscape would change but I think the Pulis issue is going to have to resolved before the club is sold, I am sure Peace thought the sale would go through and Pulis would then be the new owners problem but that is not the way it has turned out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 21, 2016, 10:25:37 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 06:58:40 PM
Is this the same for every club though? We could sack him tomorrow and get someone elsenin and as you say they will need time to build their squad. In my opinion we have only improved in one area and that is jonny evans. Fletcher has some decent games but i honestly believe we are only very slightly improved for the 30m that has been spent.
Yeah theres some teams like Sunderland who are known for sacking but we seem to be heading that way too. Look at the list of recent H/C 's  ....Mowbray - walked after spending millions then relegated , RDM - lost his way and didn't know how to turn it around, Roy - pulled us together , wanted better players and i think would have walked if England hadn't called , Steve Clarke - left a good squad , insisted on Anelka , had McDonough messing in the back ground but again lost his way with no chance of turning it around. Then we get to Pepe who didn't have long enough to be judged and Irvine who never should have been appointed.
At the minute we have Pulis , an expert for clubs at our level yet looks to me that come Summer he will be gone.His Stoke and Palace played better football than this most of the time , looking at the above list maybe its not just the H/C's ....maybe theres something else wrong at our club.
We've chucked money at it , we've had all sorts of people in charge , we've had different people buying and finding players yet we still can't get it right for more than 3 months. Is this modern football or are we not as well run as we thought ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: JockWallace on February 21, 2016, 10:38:20 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 20, 2016, 08:31:12 PM
Yep I think the writings on the wall for Tone.
He knows how the fans feel and I think he realises where he stands

Spot on.. Pulis is in the same place he was eventually at Stoke. Fans fed up with the binary rubbish putting on the pressure..just that Albion fans have sussed him quicker than Stoke did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 21, 2016, 10:49:41 AM
Quote from: JockWallace on February 21, 2016, 10:38:20 AM
Spot on.. Pulis is in the same place he was eventually at Stoke. Fans fed up with the binary rubbish putting on the pressure..just that Albion fans have sussed him quicker than Stoke did.
We always knew what he was like, we used to take the mick out of Stoke, but we were desperate and thought he'd change.

It's a little bit like a manager thinking he can control and change a troublesome player, eg Balotelli with every manager, ultimately it fails.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIE5 on February 21, 2016, 10:56:49 AM
As much as i hate the football.. Pulis isn't totally to blame for our problems. The squad is poor,has been for three years. Tried to do something about it and got nowhere.

I'm sure next season will be the same.. Without serious investment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on February 21, 2016, 11:36:30 AM
Quote from: BAGGIE5 on February 21, 2016, 10:56:49 AM
As much as i hate the football.. Pulis isn't totally to blame for our problems. The squad is poor,has been for three years. Tried to do something about it and got nowhere.

I'm sure next season will be the same.. Without serious investment.
yes the squad is really poor but pulis as made it worse. I wouldn't trust him with another penny
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 21, 2016, 11:38:05 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on February 20, 2016, 11:52:27 PM
I get your complaints but would you seriously want him gone now as opposed to when the season ends? In my view, we are nearly certain to stay up with him at the helm, because he will grind out a result similar to Everton at some point.
And from a stability point of view it would be best to keep things like this instead of a risky new manager. If a new manager is awful at this stage, it can mean relegation; but after a pre-season they can be replaced in time for survival (like with Irvine).

I do disagree with his trainers though, they look quality

Tbh, I've reached the point where I'm passed caring.

I just want him and that hideous, gut-wrenching style of football to go with him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 21, 2016, 11:46:55 AM
Whatever happens I'll be grateful for Tony Pulls having been here. He's a great coach with a style that unfashionable and in an era where football prices dictate a sense of demand for entertainment he's becoming a bittersweet man to have at the helm.

I sympathise with the signings he's made. Whilst the majority haven't worked the initial reactions were positive to most. He inherited a poor squad and hasn't been able to address it in accordance with what has been spent. I still feel, on paper, it reads stronger than what he walked into.

Never have I felt our status as a Premiership club has been under threat with him here and that's a compliment only Hodgson can match. It's just sad, and I feel sorry for Pulls, that things have turned so sour.

Just imagine if we'd appointed the fashionable and attack minded Sherwood? Better the devil you know.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 21, 2016, 12:26:14 PM
Inclined to agree Scooby,  better the devil you know, but what is worrying is that we do not appear to be able to defend and keep things tight at the back lately.

1-0 up yesterday we should have shut up shop, yet we concede within 5 minutes and we all know how the game ended...

Need to get through this season by hook or by crook and as TP has said, sit down and try to sort things out in the Summer!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 21, 2016, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on February 21, 2016, 12:26:14 PM
Inclined to agree Scooby,  better the devil you know, but what is worrying is that we do not appear to be able to defend and keep things tight at the back lately.

1-0 up yesterday we should have shut up shop, yet we concede within 5 minutes and we all know how the game ended...

Need to get through this season by hook or by crook and as TP has said, sit down and try to sort things out in the Summer!

The strength of TP's sides at set pieces are historically as good as any. I certainly feel individual mistakes contributed greatly to our downfall yesterday. But when pegged back we offered little, which was frustrating.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on February 21, 2016, 12:32:41 PM
Yesterday was the final straw and I think he should go now. Did the mods ever have the vote to see if a replacement topic should be allowed whilst he still in charge?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brummyroader on February 21, 2016, 12:44:41 PM
He is making some good players look very average or poor with the system and tactics he enforces, the frustrations shouldn't be vented at the players they are under strict instructions as we all know. The way he is affecting the mood off the pitch he does really need to go in the summer, he just does not have the ability to set up a team to take the game to the opposition when we need to, I would try everything to get Moyes in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 12:48:05 PM
What is all this rubbish being spouted about the coin throwing being down to Pulis and how it's the atmosphere he has created??!!

Absolute balls 3999 others didn't throw a coin it was down to one individual and a one individuals actions alone!

People blaming Pulis for everything and it's making you look very very stupid
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 21, 2016, 12:54:16 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 12:48:05 PM
What is all this rubbish being spouted about the coin throwing being down to Pulis and how it's the atmosphere he has created??!!

Absolute balls 3999 others didn't throw a coin it was down to one individual and a one individuals actions alone!

People blaming Pulis for everything and it's making you look very very stupid

The infighting between the fans and arguing in the stands though. There is m atmosphere he has had a hand in perpetuating, culminating in a horrible bit of thuggery. Still it must be said, if we had played even a little bit better you probably wouldnt see such stupidity. Anger often manifests into violence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 21, 2016, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: mikehy on February 21, 2016, 12:32:41 PM
Yesterday was the final straw and I think he should go now. Did the mods ever have the vote to see if a replacement topic should be allowed whilst he still in charge?
Yes we did and the end result was the rule stays the same.
I strongly suspect we can start talking after the 15th of May. ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 21, 2016, 01:31:21 PM
I want Pulis gone bit time but i have absolutely no faith in our club making the right appointment to replace him.

Clarke, Mel, Irvine..who next?

Its the club that is a shambles, we are on a massive downward spiral and it wont be long before we are relegated regardless of Pulis.

Of course i would love the club to make me eat my words.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brummyroader on February 21, 2016, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 12:48:05 PM
What is all this rubbish being spouted about the coin throwing being down to Pulis and how it's the atmosphere he has created??!!

Absolute balls 3999 others didn't throw a coin it was down to one individual and a one individuals actions alone!

People blaming Pulis for everything and it's making you look very very stupid

You're deluded if you think the infighting and general toxic atmosphere yesterday is not largely down to TP, not saying it's right but it's there for all to see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 21, 2016, 01:42:21 PM
Pulis isn't to blame for Chris Brunt being hit in the face by a coin but he is (along with the players) responsible for creating a poisonous atmosphere. This poisonous atmosphere in turn probably allowed this moron to think he could get away with what he did. The coin and Pulis are not directly connected but they are linked. Despite that there is only one person responsible for the horrible act and its the t*at that did it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 21, 2016, 03:36:21 PM
Really don't see why we need to wait until the end of the season before he goes...surely the results speak for themselves. .the team is rudderless and devoid of ideas..apart from the Moronic Pulis ranting of Gooooaaannnn on the touchline there is nothing coming from him or Kemp..83rd minute before he brought a creative player on yesterday speaks volumes for a man who has been found out...his day has come and long gone..
I do not think it matters whether he is here or not..I'm pretty sure we would achieve the same points without a manager...
For me I would like to see James Shan in charge until the end of the season..and Pulis..Kemp..and Francis thanked and shown the door...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 21, 2016, 03:53:21 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 21, 2016, 03:36:21 PM
I do not think it matters whether he is here or not..I'm pretty sure we would achieve the same points without a manager...
For me I would like to see James Shan in charge until the end of the season..and Pulis..Kemp..and Francis thanked and shown the door...

While I sort of agree, we seem to be on this merry go round every time someone new is put in charge. I honestly don't think replacing Pulis is the full picture.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 21, 2016, 03:58:01 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 21, 2016, 03:36:21 PM
Really don't see why we need to wait until the end of the season before he goes...surely the results speak for themselves. .the team is rudderless and devoid of ideas..apart from the Moronic Pulis ranting of Gooooaaannnn on the touchline there is nothing coming from him or Kemp..83rd minute before he brought a creative player on yesterday speaks volumes for a man who has been found out...his day has come and long gone..
I do not think it matters whether he is here or not..I'm pretty sure we would achieve the same points without a manager...
For me I would like to see James Shan in charge until the end of the season..and Pulis..Kemp..and Francis thanked and shown the door...
It would be utter madness to put our team in the hands of someone who has never managed at all let alone in the Premier League until we are officially safe.Reminds me of that bloke Wolves put in charge when McCarthy went.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 21, 2016, 03:59:47 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 21, 2016, 11:46:55 AM
Whatever happens I'll be grateful for Tony Pulls having been here. He's a great coach with a style that unfashionable and in an era where football prices dictate a sense of demand for entertainment he's becoming a bittersweet man to have at the helm.

I sympathise with the signings he's made. Whilst the majority haven't worked the initial reactions were positive to most. He inherited a poor squad and hasn't been able to address it in accordance with what has been spent. I still feel, on paper, it reads stronger than what he walked into.
I'm struggling to reconcile the 2 things you said that I've highlighted in bold. He seems to waste time either trying to turn players into something they're not suited to or decides on someone after 5 minutes and they barely get a look in again, the result of which is other players having to play too many games, increasing the risk of them getting injured.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mig on February 21, 2016, 04:36:36 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 12:48:05 PM
What is all this rubbish being spouted about the coin throwing being down to Pulis and how it's the atmosphere he has created??!!

Absolute balls 3999 others didn't throw a coin it was down to one individual and a one individuals actions alone!

People blaming Pulis for everything and it's making you look very very stupid

So out of interest what do you put this bad atmosphere and everything that comes with it down to?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 21, 2016, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: mikehy on February 21, 2016, 12:32:41 PM
Yesterday was the final straw and I think he should go now. Did the mods ever have the vote to see if a replacement topic should be allowed whilst he still in charge?

Yes we did - individually we were required to send our vote in a PM to Oldbury and the outcome was that we should continue with the current rules that are in place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: mig on February 21, 2016, 04:36:36 PM
So out of interest what do you put this bad atmosphere and everything that comes with it down to?

I would be interested to know this too. This thread is 300+ pages and should probably be more given the number of posts that have been deleted. This thread is the Tony Pulis thread and its one where weve all been arguing with each other for the past 18 months and is an example of the bad atmosphere that is being created.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 21, 2016, 05:01:31 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 21, 2016, 03:59:47 PM
I'm struggling to reconcile the 2 things you said that I've highlighted in bold. He seems to waste time either trying to turn players into something they're not suited to or decides on someone after 5 minutes and they barely get a look in again, the result of which is other players having to play too many games, increasing the risk of them getting injured.

What he achieved with us defensively last year was down to his fantastic ability as a coach, in my opinion. Likewise the way Sessengon looks a different player. For those whom it's not panning out I question application.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 21, 2016, 05:19:03 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 21, 2016, 05:01:31 PM
What he achieved with us defensively last year was down to his fantastic ability as a coach, in my opinion. Likewise the way Sessengon looks a different player. For those whom it's not panning out I question application.
congrats, he got Sessegnon to where he was before he even arrived... Great man management, that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 21, 2016, 05:19:20 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 21, 2016, 05:01:31 PM
What he achieved with us defensively last year was down to his fantastic ability as a coach, in my opinion. Likewise the way Sessengon looks a different player. For those whom it's not panning out I question application.

In what way does Sessegnon look a different player? He's scored 1 goal in over a year since Pulis arrived and spent 6 months frozen out the side. He's still terrible defensively as shown at Everton.

He's a terrible coach in my opinion. Dawson has come on under him but other than that I'd argue all our other players have at best stood still and in most cases regressed alarmingly. His famed defensive skills basically boil down to him sticking 10 men behind the ball. If he was such a good defensive coach he wouldn't need to resort to such a desperate approach.

On the balance of probability its far more likely the problem is with Pulis rather than Gamboa, Pocognoli, Chester, Gnabry & Mcmanaman individually (plus Varela, Blanco and Samaras and Sess who was also frozen out)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 05:23:44 PM
Gamboa Varela Blanco and Samaras frozen out by Irvine. Carry on though mate. Nothing like revisionism.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 05:26:22 PM
Quote from: mig on February 21, 2016, 04:36:36 PM
So out of interest what do you put this bad atmosphere and everything that comes with it down to?

People who can't hold their liquor and who have no morals at all

I never said the atmosphere wasn't down to Pulis but the coin throwing is nothing to do with him or the team it's down to one persons intolerable actions. This is probably the same sort of person who scraps in the streets outside of bars and clubs...I suppose that would also come under the umbrella of being Pulis's fault or because Albion played badly  ::)

Anyone who blames or links this coin throwing incident to Pulis is in my opinion stoo-stoo-stoopid
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 21, 2016, 05:33:39 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 05:23:44 PM
Gamboa Varela Blanco and Samaras frozen out by Irvine. Carry on though mate. Nothing like revisionism.

Whats that got to do with anything? The argument was that anyone not getting a game under Pulis probably has a problem with their application. It is however a fact that all these players have either continued to be frozen out or sold by Pulis without playing. In the above cases I'd argue one wasn't good enough, 2 were potentially good enough but not for a Pulis side and one probably not good enough and definitely not good enough for a Pulis team. The accusation that they don't get a look in because of their application is just wrong. Unless you want to argue that any of those players have ever been anything like a regular under Pulis I don't see how you can have a gripe with the observation he has frozen them out?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 05:40:08 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 05:26:22 PM
People who can't hold their liquor and who have no morals at all

I never said the atmosphere wasn't down to Pulis but the coin throwing is nothing to do with him or the team it's down to one persons intolerable actions. This is probably the same sort of person who scraps in the streets outside of bars and clubs...I suppose that would also come under the umbrella of being Pulis's fault or because Albion played badly  ::)

Anyone who blames or links this coin throwing incident to Pulis is in my opinion stoo-stoo-stoopid

So scenario A:
Idiot goes to football match with a few beers in him. Sees his team work hard and try to win the game, playing on the front foot. Idiot goes home, annoyed we lose but having seen his team have a go. He goes home, has a few more beers, kicks the cat, shouts at his kids, goes out for more beers and kicks off a bar brawl because he is an idiot.

Scenario B:
Idiot goes to a football match having had a few beers. he sees his team put up a pathetic performance. Its not the first and he is infuriated. He's an idiot, so he reaches to his pocket to throw a coin. He does this because he is an idiot.

I'm fairly placid, but I have been more annoyed by the way we play football under Pulis in the last few months, that at any time in my 35 years supporting the team.

So, despite the fact that I'm clearly 'stoooopid', I draw the following conclusion:

Pulls football = fans split.
Pulls football and current form = fans split and arguing with each other
Throw an idiot into the mix and anything can happen. So yes, I'm linking Pulis to what happened yesterday.

What I am not saying is:
Pulls = fan throws coin 
So no, I'm not blaming him for what happened yesterday.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 05:46:46 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 05:40:08 PM
So scenario A:
Idiot goes to football match with a few beers in him. Sees his team work hard and try to win the game, playing on the front foot. Idiot goes home, annoyed we lose but having seen his team have a go. He goes home, has a few more beers, kicks the cat, shouts at his kids, goes out for more beers and kicks off a bar brawl because he is an idiot.

Scenario B:
Idiot goes to a football match having had a few beers. he sees his team put up a pathetic performance. Its not the first and he is infuriated. He's an idiot, so he reaches to his pocket to throw a coin. He does this because he is an idiot.

I'm fairly placid, but I have been more annoyed by the way we play football under Pulis in the last few months, that at any time in my 35 years supporting the team.

So, despite the fact that I'm clearly 'stoooopid', I draw the following conclusion:

Pulls football = fans split.
Pulls football and current form = fans split and arguing with each other
Throw an idiot into the mix and anything can happen. So yes, I'm linking Pulis to what happened yesterday.

What I am not saying is:
Pulls = fan throws coin 
So no, I'm not blaming him for what happened yesterday.

balls mate,  that entire post. Scenario 3. Idiot goes to football match team lose irrespective of performance. Idiot goes home after booing at the end.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 05:46:46 PM
balls mate,  that entire post. Scenario 3. Idiot goes to football match team lose irrespective of performance. Idiot goes home after booing at the end.

Spectacularly missing/ignoring the point. If you think frustration doesn't push the limits of human beings and can't influence behaviour then you must be living in another world.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 05:54:31 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 05:50:55 PM
Spectacularly missing/ignoring the point. If you think frustration doesn't push the limits of human beings and can't influence behaviour then you must be living in another world.

If you get that wound up by football especially when we've been pooh for 3 seasons except previously it was without the often good results then you shouldn't be there. To link Pulisball is beyond the pale.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 21, 2016, 05:57:07 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 05:54:31 PM
If you get that wound up by football especially when we've been rubbish for 3 seasons except previously it was without the often good results then you shouldn't be there. To link Pulisball is beyond the pale.

I wanna sit by you during a match.

I bet you dont say a word to anyone around you if they have a difference of opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 06:06:04 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 05:54:31 PM
If you get that wound up by football especially when we've been rubbish for 3 seasons except previously it was without the often good results then you shouldn't be there. To link Pulisball is beyond the pale.

What results are you talking about? Often?

We've had good results in the last three seasons. We weren't relegated in those seasons and when he took over we weren't in a relegation position. Our fans weren't arguing to the extent they are now and I don't think there was anywhere near the frustration and argument that exists between us now.

There was life before Pulis. He's not a messiah, he's a myth that is getting rapidly found out.

And of the good results that we've had this season, about two or three were actually decent performances, the rest were backs to the wall efforts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 21, 2016, 06:09:43 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 06:06:04 PM
What results are you talking about? Often?

We've had good results in the last three seasons. We weren't relegated in those seasons and when he took over we weren't in a relegation position. Our fans weren't arguing to the extent they are now and I don't think there was anywhere near the frustration and argument that exists between us now.

There was life before Pulis. He's not a messiah, he's a myth that is getting rapidly found out.

And of the good results that we've had this season, about two or three were actually decent performances, the rest were backs to the wall efforts.

Spot on frazzle.

When pulis walks the beers are on me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 21, 2016, 06:30:16 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 05:23:44 PM
Gamboa Varela Blanco and Samaras frozen out by Irvine. Carry on though mate. Nothing like revisionism.
You do like to make up scenario to suit your arguments, revisionism is probably the correct term  ;)

Gamboa, missed pre season and the first two games. Featured in every squad until Pulis took charge. Made the bench on 3 occasions under Pulis last season and 5 times this season.
Varela, missed pre season and the opening games, was then injured, worked back to fitness. Featured in every game following his return to fitness until Pulis took charge. Never seen again.
Blanco, I'll give you. Only in the squad on 5 occasions.
Samaras featured in half the squads before being dropped.

Maybe they were no good, that's opinion based, but suggesting they were all frozen out under Irvine is incorrect ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 06:47:19 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 21, 2016, 06:30:16 PM
You do like to make up scenario to suit your arguments, revisionism is probably the correct term  ;)

Gamboa, missed pre season and the first two games. Featured in every squad until Pulis took charge. Made the bench on 3 occasions under Pulis last season and 5 times this season.
Varela, missed pre season and the opening games, was then injured, worked back to fitness. Featured in every game following his return to fitness until Pulis took charge. Never seen again.
Blanco, I'll give you. Only in the squad on 5 occasions.
Samaras featured in half the squads before being dropped.

Maybe they were no good, that's opinion based, but suggesting they were all frozen out under Irvine is incorrect ;)

Spin, you love it. HOW MANY GAMES DID THEY PLAY, not how many squads did they feature in?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 21, 2016, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 06:06:04 PM
What results are you talking about? Often?

We've had good results in the last three seasons. We weren't relegated in those seasons and when he took over we weren't in a relegation position. Our fans weren't arguing to the extent they are now and I don't think there was anywhere near the frustration and argument that exists between us now.

There was life before Pulis. He's not a messiah, he's a myth that is getting rapidly found out.

And of the good results that we've had this season, about two or three were actually decent performances, the rest were backs to the wall efforts.

I'm not disagreeing on some of your points but "we weren't in a relegation position" is tenuous. We were 1 point off the regelation zone and had 1 win in 9 and most fans at stoke were calling for Irvine to go, like many want Pulis gone now.
To claim Pulis came in and we werent in a complete mess isn't true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 21, 2016, 07:01:17 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 06:47:19 PM
Spin, you love it. HOW MANY GAMES DID THEY PLAY, not how many squads did they feature in?
Bombed out.  :o Facts don't suit your argument.  :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 21, 2016, 07:06:35 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 21, 2016, 06:54:18 PM
I'm not disagreeing on some of your points but "we weren't in a relegation position" is tenuous. We were 1 point off the regelation zone and had 1 win in 9 and most fans at stoke were calling for Irvine to go, like many want Pulis gone now.
To claim Pulis came in and we werent in a complete mess isn't true.

Irvine was never given a fair chance by our supporters, we played some good stuff on the deck at times under AI. I sometimes wonder where we'd be if we kept faith in AI.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 07:07:29 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 21, 2016, 06:54:18 PM
I'm not disagreeing on some of your points but "we weren't in a relegation position" is tenuous. We were 1 point off the regelation zone and had 1 win in 9 and most fans at stoke were calling for Irvine to go, like many want Pulis gone now.
To claim Pulis came in and we werent in a complete mess isn't true.

Fair point but the fact remains that there was life before Pulis. Irvine was a terrible selection but he gave us our biggest win for a good while when beating Burnley, yet in the equivalent fixture against Villa under Pulis we could barely get an effort on goal.

The suggestion that we 'often' get good results is odd, and the fact that we almost never get good performances has never been more obvious.

You mention one win in 9. If you count cup games we are currently 2 wins in 11.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 07:08:59 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 21, 2016, 07:06:35 PM
Irvine was never given a fair chance by our supporters, we played some good stuff on the deck at times under AI. I sometimes wonder where we'd be if we kept faith in AI.

Well we'd have played Reading in the league at least once that's for sure...

He didn't deserve a chance and did nothing to earn the trust or respect of the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on February 21, 2016, 07:09:48 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 06:06:04 PM
What results are you talking about? Often?

We've had good results in the last three seasons. We weren't relegated in those seasons and when he took over we weren't in a relegation position. Our fans weren't arguing to the extent they are now and I don't think there was anywhere near the frustration and argument that exists between us now.

There was life before Pulis. He's not a messiah, he's a myth that is getting rapidly found out.

And of the good results that we've had this season, about two or three were actually decent performances, the rest were backs to the wall efforts.

Bang on the money Frazzle!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 07:07:29 PM
Fair point but the fact remains that there was life before Pulis. Irvine was a terrible selection but he gave us our biggest win for a good while when beating Burnley, yet in the equivalent fixture against Villa under Pulis we could barely get an effort on goal.

The suggestion that we 'often' get good results is odd, and the fact that we almost never get good performances has never been more obvious.

You mention one win in 9. If you count cup games we are currently 2 wins in 11.

Seeing as you're counting cup games to suit your figures 7 nil is a much better result than 4 nil...  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 21, 2016, 07:17:38 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 07:08:59 PM
Well we'd have played Reading in the league at least once that's for sure...

He didn't deserve a chance and did nothing to earn the trust or respect of the fans.
Your facts don't stand up as facts so your speculation is dubious.  We may have been relegated,  we may have done a Leicester,  Tony Pulis may pick team that has 11 players playing in their natural positions and look to try and win a game and entertain the paying public.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 07:19:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 07:13:34 PM
Seeing as you're counting cup games to suit your figures 7 nil is a much better result than 4 nil...  ;)

Well I didn't mention that of the 11 games, 5 were against lower league opposition. I that a fact or am I just doing that to suit my argument?

And the Burnley game was a comparison against Villa - both teams being the whipping boys of the league. Suggesting that Gateshead counts is sheer desperation on your part!  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on February 21, 2016, 07:21:19 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 07:13:34 PM
Seeing as you're counting cup games to suit your figures 7 nil is a much better result than 4 nil...  ;)

Against Non League Gateshead compared to Premier League West Ham!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 21, 2016, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 21, 2016, 07:06:35 PM
Irvine was never given a fair chance by our supporters, we played some good stuff on the deck at times under AI. I sometimes wonder where we'd be if we kept faith in AI.

Playing the likes of Rotherham
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 07:28:30 PM
Quote from: gerry m on February 21, 2016, 07:21:19 PM
Against Non League Gateshead compared to Premier League West Ham!!

West Ham game also under Pulis. Cheers mate  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on February 21, 2016, 07:36:24 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 07:28:30 PM
West Ham game also under Pulis. Cheers mate  ;D

Fair do's mate ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 21, 2016, 07:56:30 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on February 21, 2016, 05:19:03 PM
congrats, he got Sessegnon to where he was before he even arrived... Great man management, that.

The Sessengon we've seen Pulis mould is far more consistent and of worth to the team than any other Sessengon we've seen.

What makes me laugh is the seeming travesty at freezing out Gamboa and Pocognoli, for reasons that some posters appear to know are purely out of spite. How about the fact that our defence kept more clean sheets than any other Premiership side in 2015?

We've climbed points giant Chelsea and Spurs this season (2-2 + 1-1). Chelsea managed 2 shots on target, Spurs 1 in those games.  Pretty sure statistics like that involve far more than simply throwing men behind the ball.

If you're unwilling to credit Pulis as a quality coach based on his ability defensively then it's a case of being personal in my opinion.

Samaras appeared 5 times in The Premiership, all off the bench. As well as 3 times in the cups, off the bench. Blanco started twice, in the League Cup and made 3 sub apps in the league. Gamboa started a big fat once in the league under Irvine. We might as well say Pulis froze out the ever present Jason Davidson too...

Give the right person a stick and they'll beat themselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 21, 2016, 08:18:19 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 21, 2016, 07:56:30 PM
The Sessengon we've seen Pulis mould is far more consistent and of worth to the team than any other Sessengon we've seen.

What makes me laugh is the seeming travesty at freezing out Gamboa and Pocognoli, for reasons that some posters appear to know are purely out of spite. How about the fact that our defence kept more clean sheets than any other Premiership side in 2015?

We've climbed points giant Chelsea and Spurs this season (2-2 + 1-1). Chelsea managed 2 shots on target, Spurs 1 in those games.  Pretty sure statistics like that involve far more than simply throwing men behind the ball.

If you're unwilling to credit Pulis as a quality coach based on his ability defensively then it's a case of being personal in my opinion.

Samaras appeared 5 times in The Premiership, all off the bench. As well as 3 times in the cups, off the bench. Blanco started twice, in the League Cup and made 3 sub apps in the league. Gamboa started a big fat once in the league under Irvine. We might as well say Pulis froze out the ever present Jason Davidson too...

Give the right person a stick and they'll beat themselves.
I agree with lots of this, especially with Gamboa who clearly can't defend properly albeit lots of people like to ignore this as it suits their argument.

What I will say to those saying there was 'life before Pulis' is that they were correct, but it was still a rocky road, as it will be after. For every Hodgson appointed there will be an Irvine, whilst Clarke was something in between.
Whilst we've been in the Premier League for 6 straight seasons, it's never been easy apart from the one year with Hodgson and Clarke, with all surrounding years being something of a struggle.

What I also think is that the league has got progressively harder due to more wealthy clubs emerging from the South. It's no surprise to see Swansea struggle a bit more when the likes of Watford and Bournemouth can come up and spend so freely.

Anyway, it's premature but IF Pulis were to go in the summer I'd go for one of Rodgers, Moyes or Monk. I think the first two may be too unrealistic but Monk would definitely be doable who is also looking for work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 08:18:43 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 05:40:08 PM
So scenario A:
Idiot goes to football match with a few beers in him. Sees his team work hard and try to win the game, playing on the front foot. Idiot goes home, annoyed we lose but having seen his team have a go. He goes home, has a few more beers, kicks the cat, shouts at his kids, goes out for more beers and kicks off a bar brawl because he is an idiot.

Scenario B:
Idiot goes to a football match having had a few beers. he sees his team put up a pathetic performance. Its not the first and he is infuriated. He's an idiot, so he reaches to his pocket to throw a coin. He does this because he is an idiot.

I'm fairly placid, but I have been more annoyed by the way we play football under Pulis in the last few months, that at any time in my 35 years supporting the team.

So, despite the fact that I'm clearly 'stoooopid', I draw the following conclusion:

Pulls football = fans split.
Pulls football and current form = fans split and arguing with each other
Throw an idiot into the mix and anything can happen. So yes, I'm linking Pulis to what happened yesterday.

What I am not saying is:
Pulls = fan throws coin 
So no, I'm not blaming him for what happened yesterday.

Go through scenario A to Z for all I care fella there is nothing that Pulis does at this club that means blame can be apportioned to him due to some absolute knuckle dragger throwing a coin at a player.

By all means argue amongst yourselves and pat each other on the back on how you all agree that Pulis is the blame for all the worlds ills but I've had enough of the bile spouted on here and how some are blaming the manager of this football club for the backwards actions of some bloke at a football match.

It's the usual suspects saying the same old sob stories trying to blame Pulis for everything! I don't particularly want Pulis here anymore either but I'm not stupid enough to blame him for someone else's actions at a football match.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 21, 2016, 08:22:28 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 08:18:43 PM
Go through scenario A to Z for all I care fella there is nothing that Pulis does at this club that means blame can be apportioned to him due to some absolute knuckle dragger throwing a coin at a player.

By all means argue amongst yourselves and pat each other on the back on how you all agree that Pulis is the blame for all the worlds ills but I've had enough of the bile spouted on here and how some are blaming the manager of this football club for the backwards actions of some bloke at a football match.

It's the usual suspects saying the same old sob stories trying to blame Pulis for everything! I don't particularly want Pulis here anymore either but I'm not stupid enough to blame him for someone else's actions at a football match.

Bang on.

If I go to the Palace game and smack a ball boy in the face, it's got nothing to do with Pulis. The coin thrower was a grown up and should be able to control their emotions regardless of their thoughts on the manager. It's not even like we're in the bottom 3 for gods sake...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 21, 2016, 08:25:55 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 21, 2016, 07:56:30 PM
The Sessengon we've seen Pulis mould is far more consistent and of worth to the team than any other Sessengon we've seen.

What makes me laugh is the seeming travesty at freezing out Gamboa and Pocognoli, for reasons that some posters appear to know are purely out of spite. How about the fact that our defence kept more clean sheets than any other Premiership side in 2015?

We've climbed points giant Chelsea and Spurs this season (2-2 + 1-1). Chelsea managed 2 shots on target, Spurs 1 in those games.  Pretty sure statistics like that involve far more than simply throwing men behind the ball.

If you're unwilling to credit Pulis as a quality coach based on his ability defensively then it's a case of being personal in my opinion.

Samaras appeared 5 times in The Premiership, all off the bench. As well as 3 times in the cups, off the bench. Blanco started twice, in the League Cup and made 3 sub apps in the league. Gamboa started a big fat once in the league under Irvine. We might as well say Pulis froze out the ever present Jason Davidson too...

Give the right person a stick and they'll beat themselves.

Earlier you questioned the application of anyone who wasn't featuring under Pulis, now it's because half of them were not good enough. I completely agree the majority of those players mentioned are not good enough and you seem to think the same, so why is there application in question? Do you know that Mcmanaman, Gnabry, Chester, Pocognoli and Gamboa are all poor trainers then? Otherwise I don't see why they are having their application questioned. It seems like a throw away comment/easy excuse to absolve Pulis of any responsibility.

As for Sessegnon, if you think 1 goal in a year whilst still being comfortably our worst player defensively is any sort of improvement then we will have to disagree. Unless your arguing that technically never scoring is a more consistent result than occasionally scoring in which case I agree. I don't go every week so if enough beg to differ then fair enough but I've literally seen no improvement at all from Sess apart from being played out wide rather than of the striker he is now a bigger liability off the ball.

Out of interest you rate Pulis so highly defensively because we kept the most clean sheets in 2015. I do indeed give him credit for this as it's an impressive feat for a club like ours. However I don't think it's as impressive as it could be as the method that achieved it is in my opinion nothing more than putting numbers behind the ball and something that could be replicated by pretty much any other manager in the top flight.

Out of interest I naturally assume you regard him as the worst manager in the league from an attacking perspective over the last decade? Along with being the worst manager (or at very best one of the worst if you care to name others) at getting a side to keep possession and to pass accurately?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 08:32:15 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 08:18:43 PM
Go through scenario A to Z for all I care fella there is nothing that Pulis does at this club that means blame can be apportioned to him due to some absolute knuckle dragger throwing a coin at a player.

By all means argue amongst yourselves and pat each other on the back on how you all agree that Pulis is the blame for all the worlds ills but I've had enough of the bile spouted on here and how some are blaming the manager of this football club for the backwards actions of some bloke at a football match.

It's the usual suspects saying the same old sob stories trying to blame Pulis for everything! I don't particularly want Pulis here anymore either but I'm not stupid enough to blame him for someone else's actions at a football match.

I specifically said that I don't blame Puiis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 08:32:15 PM
I specifically said that I don't blame Puiis.

Yet you 'link' him??

Pulis has nothing to do with yesterday...NOTHING

Not even a link
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on February 21, 2016, 08:22:28 PM
Bang on.

If I go to the Palace game and smack a ball boy in the face, it's got nothing to do with Pulis. The coin thrower was a grown up and should be able to control their emotions regardless of their thoughts on the manager. It's not even like we're in the bottom 3 for gods sake...

That's kind of my point. We are not in the bottom three yet this topic is 310 pages long and we are all falling out with each other. We're arguing in the stands and our fans are chanting sarcastically when we got a shot on target or play a full back. An atmosphere has been created as a result of Pulis.

He is absolutely not to blame and I said that specifically in my post, but I do think that the atmosphere amongst the fans at the moment may have contributed to that idiot doing what he did.

If I can say just one more time, I do not and have not blamed Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 08:42:18 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 08:40:47 PM
Yet you 'link' him??

Pulis has nothing to do with yesterday...NOTHING

Not even a link

That's better. Now that you've read my post properly, yes, I believe that he is marmite, its caused aggression and argument within the fans, and that may have contributed to the idiot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on February 21, 2016, 08:45:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 05:46:46 PM
balls mate,  that entire post. Scenario 3. Idiot goes to football match team lose irrespective of performance. Idiot goes home after booing at the end.

To quote yourself....mate,   you're answer is total balls.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 08:42:18 PM
That's better. Now that you've read my post properly, yes, I believe that he is marmite, its caused aggression and argument within the fans, and that may have contributed to the idiot.

Definitely marmite!

I couldn't careless if we were in the Villa's position rooted to the foot of the Prem players that didn't care, a manager that doesn't have a clue or any experience, an owner who has run us into the ground and sold off our best assets and not even attempted to replace them and it still wouldn't make 99.9% of the fan base throw coins.

The simple fact is this was an adult responsible for his own actions and no other prevailing factors should contribute to someone coming to the conclusion that throwing a coin at someone is the right thing to do
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 08:50:10 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on February 21, 2016, 08:45:03 PM
To quote yourself....mate,   you're answer is total balls.

So what you are saying is that you agree with the coin throwing??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 21, 2016, 08:51:00 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 21, 2016, 08:25:55 PM
Earlier you questioned the application of anyone who wasn't featuring under Pulis, now it's because half of them were not good enough. I completely agree the majority of those players mentioned are not good enough and you seem to think the same, so why is there application in question? Do you know that Mcmanaman, Gnabry, Chester, Pocognoli and Gamboa are all poor trainers then? Otherwise I don't see why they are having their application questioned. It seems like a throw away comment/easy excuse to absolve Pulis of any responsibility.

As for Sessegnon, if you think 1 goal in a year whilst still being comfortably our worst player defensively is any sort of improvement then we will have to disagree. Unless your arguing that technically never scoring is a more consistent result than occasionally scoring in which case I agree. I don't go every week so if enough beg to differ then fair enough but I've literally seen no improvement at all from Sess apart from being played out wide rather than of the striker he is now a bigger liability off the ball.

Out of interest you rate Pulis so highly defensively because we kept the most clean sheets in 2015. I do indeed give him credit for this as it's an impressive feat for a club like ours. However I don't think it's as impressive as it could be as the method that achieved it is in my opinion nothing more than putting numbers behind the ball and something that could be replicated by pretty much any other manager in the top flight.

Out of interest I naturally assume you regard him as the worst manager in the league from an attacking perspective over the last decade? Along with being the worst manager (or at very best one of the worst if you care to name others) at getting a side to keep possession and to pass accurately?

It could be either. I just think Sessengon is the proof that if the ability is there and the willingness to adapt to what TP wants then you'll get a fair crack of the whip. In some cases perhaps TP just deems them not good, or good enough but not willing to adapt to what he wants a player to bring to the team and therefore lacking the application. In the case of McManaman I'd assume he more than believed him good enough hence the expensive transfer but won't combine that with what Pulls wants tactically.

Pulls has always been able to set up teams to defend well and there's far more too it than throwing bodies behind the ball. I was happy with his appointment based on that and last year proved it.

When you focus so heavily on one area naturally another suffers. Pulis is one of the worst attacking managers from open play to grace The Premiership, instead organisation from set pieces normally being his sides most potent threat. Some managers simply cannot organise a team to defend, notably these have predominantly been the ones who've got us into bother. Then there was the likes of Paul Jewell who didn't know what they were doing one game to the next.

TP's got a style that's proven. His sides are solid, show little regard to committing bodies forward or keeping the ball but look to exploit set pieces. When he beats teams like Arsenal 2-1 having registered just 1 shot on target these stats are a sideshow. When we beat Everton 1-0 on the back of a bad run nd shocking performances, shooting statistics are the most valuable tool to bash TP with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 21, 2016, 08:51:13 PM
Out of interest from what I can see we have scored 1 goal in 13 games this season. From those games we have won 7 of them giving us a win rate when we score one goal of 53%.

However we have scored 2 goals in a game 8 times this season and won just 2 of them giving us a win rate of just 25%.

I find it amazing that our win rate is over twice as good when we score one goal as it is when we score twice. I've not looked past this season so maybe the above is only applicable to the last 7 months but the fact would suggest Pulis is not capable of producing a side that can both a defend an attack simultaneously (as in the same game), surely a pretty basic requirement for most managers?

It's not definitive proof but I feel it does add significant weight the argument that far from being a genius of a defensive coach the tactic is nothing more everyone behind the ball. A good defensive record is great and despite the clean sheets drying up I don't think many would argue that Pulis doesn't produce good defensive results (I would still contest the method) but that doesn't mean nearly as much as it should when the trade off is the offensive record is so poor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 08:40:47 PM
Yet you 'link' him??

Pulis has nothing to do with yesterday...NOTHING

Not even a link

This thread constantly goes bananas. When the match day squads are announced there is general shock about another astonishing Pulis line up. Albion Facebook gets hundreds of negative responses with pretty much everything it announces and fans argue with each other in the comments. The fans start sarcastically chanting when we get a shot on target. This forum constantly argues about him. All of this is as a result of Pulis. That's a fact.

Now whether that contributed to an idiot throwing a coin is difficult to confirm, but I believe that an atmosphere has been created which is toxic and may encourage a lunatic to do lunatic things. I think its short sighted to consider otherwise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 21, 2016, 09:09:02 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on February 21, 2016, 08:51:13 PM
Out of interest from what I can see we have scored 1 goal in 13 games this season. From those games we have won 7 of them giving us a win rate when we score one goal of 53%.

However we have scored 2 goals in a game 8 times this season and won just 2 of them giving us a win rate of just 25%.

I find it amazing that our win rate is over twice as good when we score one goal as it is when we score twice. I've not looked past this season so maybe the above is only applicable to the last 7 months but the fact would suggest Pulis is not capable of producing a side that can both a defend an attack simultaneously (as in the same game), surely a pretty basic requirement for most managers?

It's not definitive proof but I feel it does add significant weight the argument that far from being a genius of a defensive coach the tactic is nothing more everyone behind the ball. A good defensive record is great and despite the clean sheets drying up I don't think many would argue that Pulis doesn't produce good defensive results (I would still contest the method) but that doesn't mean nearly as much as it should when the trade off is the offensive record is so poor.

To add further for comparison I'v genuinely 'at random' picked out Palace to look at their results as they have the same points, similar sized clubs/resources etc...

They have scored 1 goal in a game 11 times this season and won 3 of them for a 27% win rate

They have score 2+ goals 10 times this season.... and won all 10 games.

They've kept 8 clean sheets this season to our 11, we've both conceded the same (in the league anyway) and they have scored 3 more.

All pretty irrelevant really as I say the goals for and against are virtually the same and more importantly the points are identical. I am though genuinely amazed our record when we score twice is so poor and I'd be shocked if another team has as bad a record when the score twice in a game (off top of my head Norwich could be close after their recent run). I'm not trying to beat anyone with this as I know some posters are extremely sensitive to that but it would again suggest Pulis struggles to produce a side that can defend to even a semi competent level when he can't/doesn't have the vast majority of the team behind the ball in a defence only mode.

(As a pretty pointless side note I think Berahino would comfortably be on double figures by now if he had played for Palace this season and possibly Rondon aswell. The fact their strikers are absolute garbage doesn't help their goals for column but I also blame Pardew for signing Wickham in that case)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 21, 2016, 09:22:30 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 07:07:29 PM
Fair point but the fact remains that there was life before Pulis. Irvine was a terrible selection but he gave us our biggest win for a good while when beating Burnley, yet in the equivalent fixture against Villa under Pulis we could barely get an effort on goal.

The suggestion that we 'often' get good results is odd, and the fact that we almost never get good performances has never been more obvious.

You mention one win in 9. If you count cup games we are currently 2 wins in 11.

I'm not arguing our current predicament, I just think that the are ant-Pulis and more pro Pulis and the truths probably in the middle.
Most fans wanted Irvine out and while Pulis has been poor most of the time, we have managed to get results. Beat Man Utd away last year, beat Chelsea, beat Arsenal and drew with Spurs, Liverpool etc..
I'm not saying it's been glorious at all but he got results. When he took over we were 1 point off the relegation zone and he got us to 13th and we are 8 points off relegation.

I actually think the whole things a mess, happy for Pulis to go but feel JP needs a long hard look too. He has got lucky a few times with what he has invested and what we've got. He appointed Clarke, Mel, Irvine and Pulis hardly a good CV for appointing the next "quality" Albion manager everyone wants..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on February 21, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 08:50:10 PM
So what you are saying is that you agree with the coin throwing??
Dont be such a tool.
The conversation was about something totally different.
Read back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on February 21, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Dont be such a tool.
The conversation was about something totally different.
Read back.

No it wasn't...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on February 21, 2016, 09:41:08 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2016, 09:39:58 PM
No it wasn't...
But, sure youre always right on everything. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 21, 2016, 09:42:58 PM
Lads, you're both better than this. Pack it in.

And the rest of you can take it as a warning aswell. Too many insults and childish remarks appearing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on February 21, 2016, 09:44:59 PM
Apologies,
I think we're all feeling sore and raw after yesterdays shambles.
Time to stand together more than ever before, i think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 21, 2016, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on February 21, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Dont be such a tool.
The conversation was about something totally different.
Read back.

Great comeback...by insulting someone

The conversation was not about something totally different at all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on February 21, 2016, 09:52:04 PM
As per Liam The Baggies request...
I apologised, and think we should stand together and unite after yesterdays fiasco, so prevent our club from further sliding into the mire.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on February 21, 2016, 10:05:44 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 05:40:08 PM
So scenario A:
Idiot goes to football match with a few beers in him. Sees his team work hard and try to win the game, playing on the front foot. Idiot goes home, annoyed we lose but having seen his team have a go. He goes home, has a few more beers, kicks the cat, shouts at his kids, goes out for more beers and kicks off a bar brawl because he is an idiot.

Scenario B:
Idiot goes to a football match having had a few beers. he sees his team put up a pathetic performance. Its not the first and he is infuriated. He's an idiot, so he reaches to his pocket to throw a coin. He does this because he is an idiot.

I'm fairly placid, but I have been more annoyed by the way we play football under Pulis in the last few months, that at any time in my 35 years supporting the team.

So, despite the fact that I'm clearly 'stoooopid', I draw the following conclusion:

Pulls football = fans split.
Pulls football and current form = fans split and arguing with each other
Throw an idiot into the mix and anything can happen. So yes, I'm linking Pulis to what happened yesterday.

What I am not saying is:
Pulls = fan throws coin 
So no, I'm not blaming him for what happened yesterday.
spot on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wappingbaggie on February 21, 2016, 11:32:12 PM
what do you think the players (the ones who are being selected that is) think of Pulis and his style?

do you think they feel stifled and are as unhappy as us, and would be relieved if he went, or do you think they are more pragmatic about what they are capable of, and are basically supportive of him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 21, 2016, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: wappingbaggie on February 21, 2016, 11:32:12 PM
what do you think the players (the ones who are being selected that is) think of Pulis and his style?

do you think they feel stifled and are as unhappy as us, and would be relieved if he went, or do you think they are more pragmatic about what they are capable of, and are basically supportive of him?
I think most of the team will be behind Pulis as they've all been in relegation scraps down the years whereas Pulis is a bit more solid than that in terms of results. Obviously you can assume Gamboa/Poc and maybe a few others aren't massive fans, but then again it's like that in football.

They're allowed to have an opinion anyway, but I've always found it rich when footballers criticise how 'bad' their managers are when they're paid so much to do so little. However, that being said I think the truth is, our team really isn't that good and I assume playing in the Pulis style is more enjoyable than watching it if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 22, 2016, 03:49:19 AM
Quote from: wappingbaggie on February 21, 2016, 11:32:12 PM
what do you think the players (the ones who are being selected that is) think of Pulis and his style?

do you think they feel stifled and are as unhappy as us, and would be relieved if he went, or do you think they are more pragmatic about what they are capable of, and are basically supportive of him?
I remember someone mentioned on another forum a couple months after he joined that none of the players like him and were bored by what they were doing, but they respect what he does and what he has done in his career. make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2016, 07:51:53 AM
I woke this morning still reeling from the shambles of saturday. i aint going to bother saturday i will wash the car instead
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 22, 2016, 08:24:58 AM
One thing's very clear to me that I'm sure most people can agree on - in general Albion fans are much less willing to put up with negative, defensive football than Stoke fans were.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 22, 2016, 08:40:54 AM
Quote from: wappingbaggie on February 21, 2016, 11:32:12 PM
what do you think the players (the ones who are being selected that is) think of Pulis and his style?

do you think they feel stifled and are as unhappy as us, and would be relieved if he went, or do you think they are more pragmatic about what they are capable of, and are basically supportive of him?
I would imagine they feel a bit stifled. His constant barking of orders and micro-managing on match day, means they have very little freedom of expression on the pitch and probably off it. Coupled with the fact that players who can't play "his way" cannot get a game for love nor money, I would think there is a fear of speaking out.
Typical bully tactics, rules with fear and oppression, but lacks the courage himself to try anything different.
Just my opinion, of course.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 22, 2016, 08:47:23 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 22, 2016, 08:24:58 AM
One thing's very clear to me that I'm sure most people can agree on - in general Albion fans are much less willing to put up with negative, defensive football than Stoke fans were.
Personally don't think his Stoke sides were as dull as ours at its worst ,he had players like Fuller , Etherington , Pennant , Whelan , Walters and Crouch ....all decent footballers with an eye for goal or a pass. Looking at our current lot only Sess and maybe Rondon if he gets going could compare to that lot.
On the fans view I'm not having a go at our own but there seems to me there's a large number never going to be happy the moment we hit a bump. Mel wasn't given a chance to put his leaking defence right by many , Irvine was never good enough but most had made their minds up from day one.
Currently Pulis is struggling and i suspect he will be gone in the Summer , imo a large number were waiting for things to go wrong to get the knives out , god forbid the next bloke doesn't start with 5 straight wins using flowing football or the calls to be sacked will be out! Must be modern football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 22, 2016, 08:50:06 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 22, 2016, 08:24:58 AM
One thing's very clear to me that I'm sure most people can agree on - in general Albion fans are much less willing to put up with negative, defensive football than Stoke fans were.

Pulis was Stoke's Megson and more. He lifted them from the doldrums and established them in the premier league (unlike Megson did with us). Therefore, in spite of the obvious style issues, he had much more mileage there. We owe Pulis nothing after this year and he owes us nothing. Perfect time for a break in my view - provided we can get someone who can push us on and that someone will be given significant funds to invest. Based on Albion's track record, I'm not sure either would happen - remember, Clarke, Mel and Irvine before Pulis? Although as Dexy said, maybe we needed to give one man more time and money to build. Pulis was the medicine after those three appointments which failed or which were destined to fail because they weren't given the resources or support to make a go of it.

For me, we need to aim higher as a club if we're to achieve higher. We could likely only do this with new ownership. I think Peace has done a great job for us but his ownership has run out of steam - bit like Pulis' tactics and the support he had with the fans really.

We need fresh impetus from top to bottom and we need to make sure it's a positive impetus and one which retains our soul as a club (not like Cardiff et al).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2016, 08:52:32 AM
the players we have are not limited, its the coach thats limited
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 22, 2016, 08:54:21 AM
I think as fans we should ask ourselves what are we looking for?
Personally I want to go and see MY team play a game of football and be entertained (Definition of entertainment: something affording pleasure, diversion or amusement, especially a performance of some kind) whether we win lose or draw.
I, as many am sure, have been to games that we have lost but at least you've come away and felt, well that was a cracking game we were a bit unlucky but the lads have given their all and contributed to a spectacle of a game.
Now I know that that might seem light years away given most of our recent performances but what do we want?
I read some of the posts on this board and the contributors are saying its the result not the performance, we've got to stay in the league because of the money this year and so on.
Here's where I am.
I don't want to stay in this division just to make up the numbers. If we have any real intentions of being taken seriously as a football team we need to adopt a strategy of going and playing football not strangling the life out of the game and hoping we get lucky from a free kick or a corner.
Yes I understand that football is about attack and defence, and defending is an art form etc etc.
But we have some abysmal tactics in our armoury, like time wasting from the off.
From the first goal kick Foster is obviously under instruction to keep the ball out of play for as long as possible, it takes an age to take a throw in. Were in an attacking position with a free kick and the ball is passed back.
If our aim is to stay in this division just to take the pay out every season, then can somebody please explain what are we, the fan, getting out of it?
Are we here to just make up the numbers so that our owner can still add to his pension fund, or when we next appoint a manager could we possibly appoint a manager that will at least look towards the opposition goal posts.
I thank TP for doing what he was under instruction to do, but as some posters have said, We ain't Stoke and the fans here are a lot less forgiving.
Roll on the end of the season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 22, 2016, 09:00:54 AM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 21, 2016, 07:56:30 PM
The Sessengon we've seen Pulis mould is far more consistent and of worth to the team than any other Sessengon we've seen.

What makes me laugh is the seeming travesty at freezing out Gamboa and Pocognoli, for reasons that some posters appear to know are purely out of spite. How about the fact that our defence kept more clean sheets than any other Premiership side in 2015?

We've climbed points giant Chelsea and Spurs this season (2-2 + 1-1). Chelsea managed 2 shots on target, Spurs 1 in those games.  Pretty sure statistics like that involve far more than simply throwing men behind the ball.

If you're unwilling to credit Pulis as a quality coach based on his ability defensively then it's a case of being personal in my opinion.

Samaras appeared 5 times in The Premiership, all off the bench. As well as 3 times in the cups, off the bench. Blanco started twice, in the League Cup and made 3 sub apps in the league. Gamboa started a big fat once in the league under Irvine. We might as well say Pulis froze out the ever present Jason Davidson too...

Give the right person a stick and they'll beat themselves.

Firstly Sessegnon may well track back a little more than usual but to say he has improved is nonsense.

Secondly you are correct that we did keep the most clean sheets in 2015. However most of them were last season or the first month of this season. Since then we've been poor defensively. At one stage we'd conceded more goals at home than any other team. Have we been found out? You say that it isn't just a case of throwing men behind the ball. What exactly is it then? It is certainly not by retaining possession or playing further up the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 22, 2016, 09:06:09 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2016, 08:52:32 AM
the players we have are not limited, its the coach thats limited
I look at his phase 2 (the 4 attackers ) and i'd argue that.
Saido - natural goal scorer but can't pass very well
Sess-  silky skills but final finish or ball often missing
Rondon- Won't judge on first season but looks to be only a finisher..
McClean - Impressive worker ,could still get better.
Add to that a lack of pace in those four and you can see why we struggle on the break.
I think it was a major mistake from Pulis not to address that area better in the Summer although i have no doubt he will hint he tried to with Phillips.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 22, 2016, 09:07:13 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 22, 2016, 08:54:21 AM
I think as fans we should ask ourselves what are we looking for?
Personally I want to go and see MY team play a game of football and be entertained (Definition of entertainment: something affording pleasure, diversion or amusement, especially a performance of some kind) whether we win lose or draw.
I, as many am sure, have been to games that we have lost but at least you've come away and felt, well that was a cracking game we were a bit unlucky but the lads have given their all and contributed to a spectacle of a game.
Now I know that that might seem light years away given most of our recent performances but what do we want?
I read some of the posts on this board and the contributors are saying its the result not the performance, we've got to stay in the league because of the money this year and so on.
Here's where I am.
I don't want to stay in this division just to make up the numbers. If we have any real intentions of being taken seriously as a football team we need to adopt a strategy of going and playing football not strangling the life out of the game and hoping we get lucky from a free kick or a corner.
Yes I understand that football is about attack and defence, and defending is an art form etc etc.
But we have some abysmal tactics in our armoury, like time wasting from the off.
From the first goal kick Foster is obviously under instruction to keep the ball out of play for as long as possible, it takes an age to take a throw in. Were in an attacking position with a free kick and the ball is passed back.
If our aim is to stay in this division just to take the pay out every season, then can somebody please explain what are we, the fan, getting out of it?
Are we here to just make up the numbers so that our owner can still add to his pension fund, or when we next appoint a manager could we possibly appoint a manager that will at least look towards the opposition goal posts.
I thank TP for doing what he was under instruction to do, but as some posters have said, We ain't Stoke and the fans here are a lot less forgiving.
Roll on the end of the season

One of the best posts I've read on here for a long time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 22, 2016, 09:09:56 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 22, 2016, 08:24:58 AM
One thing's very clear to me that I'm sure most people can agree on - in general Albion fans are much less willing to put up with negative, defensive football than Stoke fans were.

I think Pulis had a different relationship with the Stoke fans because he was the man that took them up to the Premier League and as such was had a huge reservoir of goodwill among the fans (a bit like Megson with us) some like Stokelad still adore him. However he does not have that here he is judged by what he produces on the pitch and also we know we can attain what he is offering (12th to 14th place finishes) without resorting to the his medieval tactics. 

The fact that Pulis had some decent players at Stoke and still played completely dull uninspiring football (always among the lowest scorers fewest shots on target etc etc...)  and was eventually chased out by a fan base that at one point worshiped the ground he walked on tells it's own story. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 22, 2016, 09:11:22 AM
Quote from: Dexy on February 22, 2016, 09:06:09 AM
I look at his phase 2 (the 4 attackers ) and i'd argue that.
Saido - natural goal scorer but can't pass very well
Sess-  silky skills but final finish or ball often missing
Rondon- Won't judge on first season but looks to be only a finisher..
McClean - Impressive worker ,could still get better.
Add to that a lack of pace in those four and you can see why we struggle on the break.
I think it was a major mistake from Pulis not to address that area better in the Summer although i have no doubt he will hint he tried to with Phillips.

I agree. I was surprised to see us spending a big chunk of money on a defence that was one of the strongest in the Leagues last season. I know you can always improve things but priorities as you say were in the midfield and forward areas. Was he really expecting us to sell Berahino to raise more funds and it backfired? Surely he couldn't have been that naïve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 22, 2016, 09:19:57 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 22, 2016, 09:11:22 AM
I agree. I was surprised to see us spending a big chunk of money on a defence that was one of the strongest in the Leagues last season. I know you can always improve things but priorities as you say were in the midfield and forward areas. Was he really expecting us to sell Berahino to raise more funds and it backfired? Surely he couldn't have been that naïve.

Yes I am fairly sure that was Pulis's plan for the summer his whole strategy was based on the premise that he would be able sell Saido and spend the money I also think Spurs knew this. As I have said on many occasions before does it really matter which 10 players Pulis get's behind the ball?  He has never played anything more than turgid percentage chase the ball down the channels football getting Phillips or Messi for that matter won't change that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 22, 2016, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 22, 2016, 09:11:22 AM
I agree. I was surprised to see us spending a big chunk of money on a defence that was one of the strongest in the Leagues last season. I know you can always improve things but priorities as you say were in the midfield and forward areas. Was he really expecting us to sell Berahino to raise more funds and it backfired? Surely he couldn't have been that naïve.
I can see why he was trying to build from the back, the defence is ageing and slow....without doubt it needed attention and still does but by doing that we have limited options up top.
Pulis will have to take the blame for Lambert when its clear we needed a good on the ball number 10 ,someone like Leroy Fer or De Guzman. The trouble is we only have so much money to use and this squad needs investment all over it be it Pulis or not , with better players i believe he would let the breaks off a bit and not revert to basic tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 22, 2016, 09:30:41 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 22, 2016, 09:19:57 AM
Yes I am fairly sure that was Pulis's plan for the summer his whole strategy was based on the premise that he would be able sell Saido and spend the money I also think Spurs knew this. As I have said on many occasions before does it really matter which 10 players Pulis get's behind the ball?  He has never played anything more than turgid percentage chase the ball down the channels football getting Phillips or Messi for that matter won't change that.
Agreed.
He proved on Saturday that he does not know how to attack a game. We played what looked like an attacking line up and most had no gripe with the team selection, but the players just didn't have a clue what their shape or responsibilities were and we just ended up with attacking players playing a defensive shape. Add to this his constant touchline instructions and they just look lost and confused.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on February 22, 2016, 09:36:18 AM
Strange, didn't mention the cost of the reading side after the game?

Why on earth bring the likes of Pritchard in and leave him on the sidelines , influenced the game when he was on.

The approach to every game now is the same, its embarrasingly negative and I'm fed up of it. Time to go Tony
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 22, 2016, 10:13:09 AM
Quote from: Morany on February 22, 2016, 09:36:18 AM
Strange, didn't mention the cost of the reading side after the game?

Why on earth bring the likes of Pritchard in and leave him on the sidelines , influenced the game when he was on.

The approach to every game now is the same, its embarrasingly negative and I'm fed up of it. Time to go Tony

I think he'll get until the end of the season then go.
The clubs intentions will soon pan out as what's the point in negotiating new contracts who may potentially be on the move in the event of a new management team.
OK I understand that with Dawson its a no brainer, he's not a bad player and has youth on his side, so should a new regime be in place he will at least fit into the squad.
I'd be surprised if we offered some of the older faces in the squad new deals if there is uncertainty about Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 10:18:28 AM
Express and dingle reporting that TP considering future.

Lazy journalism but i do hope its true.

https://twitter.com/mattwilson_star/status/701696464565702656

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 22, 2016, 10:20:25 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 10:18:28 AM
Express and dingle reporting that TP considering future.

Lazy journalism but i do hope its true.

They're just recycling his after match comments on WM.
I must admit that was the impression I got.
I think he realises he's lost the fans.
Maybe the players as well?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on February 22, 2016, 10:23:52 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 22, 2016, 08:54:21 AM
I think as fans we should ask ourselves what are we looking for?
Personally I want to go and see MY team play a game of football and be entertained (Definition of entertainment: something affording pleasure, diversion or amusement, especially a performance of some kind) whether we win lose or draw.
I, as many am sure, have been to games that we have lost but at least you've come away and felt, well that was a cracking game we were a bit unlucky but the lads have given their all and contributed to a spectacle of a game.
Now I know that that might seem light years away given most of our recent performances but what do we want?
I read some of the posts on this board and the contributors are saying its the result not the performance, we've got to stay in the league because of the money this year and so on.
Here's where I am.
I don't want to stay in this division just to make up the numbers. If we have any real intentions of being taken seriously as a football team we need to adopt a strategy of going and playing football not strangling the life out of the game and hoping we get lucky from a free kick or a corner.
Yes I understand that football is about attack and defence, and defending is an art form etc etc.
But we have some abysmal tactics in our armoury, like time wasting from the off.
From the first goal kick Foster is obviously under instruction to keep the ball out of play for as long as possible, it takes an age to take a throw in. Were in an attacking position with a free kick and the ball is passed back.
If our aim is to stay in this division just to take the pay out every season, then can somebody please explain what are we, the fan, getting out of it?
Are we here to just make up the numbers so that our owner can still add to his pension fund, or when we next appoint a manager could we possibly appoint a manager that will at least look towards the opposition goal posts.
I thank TP for doing what he was under instruction to do, but as some posters have said, We ain't Stoke and the fans here are a lot less forgiving.
Roll on the end of the season

This is perfect. I've noticed lately that we never take a throw quickly and we never play it out with a quick goalkeepers throw (something Foster was good at under previous managers) and with the team so deep and next to no fast players we never catch a team flat footed or by surprise.

I thank Pulis for steadying the ship internally but we as fans are divided and unhappy.

I long to see us involved in exciting games again. I get that we have to stay in the Prem this season but football's about (for fans at least) enjoying 90 minutes of football after a week at work. Meeting with friends, having a few drinks if you like and just having a good time. West Brom viewing is goddamn awful these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on February 22, 2016, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 22, 2016, 10:13:09 AM
I think he'll get until the end of the season then go.
The clubs intentions will soon pan out as what's the point in negotiating new contracts who may potentially be on the move in the event of a new management team.
OK I understand that with Dawson its a no brainer, he's not a bad player and has youth on his side, so should a new regime be in place he will at least fit into the squad.
I'd be surprised if we offered some of the older faces in the squad new deals if there is uncertainty about Tone.

Wouldn't bother. Assuming, hoping , praying we get to 40 points. As soon as that happens or we are mathematically safe, then it's time to part company. Move on, go again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on February 22, 2016, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: lewisant on February 22, 2016, 10:23:52 AM
This is perfect. I've noticed lately that we never take a throw quickly and we never play it out with a quick goalkeepers throw (something Foster was good at under previous managers) and with the team so deep and next to no fast players we never catch a team flat footed or by surprise.

I thank Pulis for steadying the ship internally but we as fans are divided and unhappy.

I long to see us involved in exciting games again. I get that we have to stay in the Prem this season but football's about (for fans at least) enjoying 90 minutes of football after a week at work. Meeting with friends, having a few drinks if you like and just having a good time. West Brom viewing is goddamn awful these days.

Not sure if you noticed but against Peterborough Olsonn was going barmy at Foster for taking to long to distribute the ball, Foster just shrugged his shoulders.
I just don't think Pulis know's how to set up a team to attack, as soon as Reading went 1-0 they made an attacking sub. As soon as we conceded we should have made a change, they obviously had the momentum after that but we just waited..and waited.. til it was 2-1 !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
The only thing to come out of all this is that other managers will see us a poisonous club.  Look at it from an outsiders view, a chairman who is reluctant to spend,  reluctant to sell players even when they want to go, an aging squad that needs a lot of work and a fan base that see mid table finishes as not good enough and will hound their manager out.  Would you want to manage here?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2016, 12:28:47 PM
theres always an amusing thread on the oatcake ref Tony Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 22, 2016, 12:40:58 PM
Where is pulis?, has he given any sort of interview about the game itself since Saturdays match besides commenting on the brunt incident.
AWOL.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on February 22, 2016, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
The only thing to come out of all this is that other managers will see us a poisonous club.  Look at it from an outsiders view, a chairman who is reluctant to spend,  reluctant to sell players even when they want to go, an aging squad that needs a lot of work and a fan base that see mid table finishes as not good enough and will hound their manager out.  Would you want to manage here?

He wouldn't be hounded out if he actually tried to set up a football team to win a match instead of going out to not lose !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: collins101 on February 22, 2016, 12:44:46 PM
He wouldn't be hounded out if he actually tried to set up a football team to win a match instead of going out to not lose !

You mean like Mel and Irvine and Clarke? As I said look at it from an outsiders view. They're not going to investigate lineups and say "well he just needed to pick Gamboa".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 22, 2016, 12:49:31 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
The only thing to come out of all this is that other managers will see us a poisonous club.  Look at it from an outsiders view, a chairman who is reluctant to spend,  reluctant to sell players even when they want to go, an aging squad that needs a lot of work and a fan base that see mid table finishes as not good enough and will hound their manager out.  Would you want to manage here?

I disagree.
Its an ideal opportunity for a decent manager to show what they can do.
A chairman reluctant to spend? Best part of £20m on Rondon and Brown, £8m on Chester, £4m on Mcmanaman, allowed Pulis to bring in the likes of Fletcher and Evans (wages must be a fair bit)
I don't think many fans would argue at a mid table finish and a decent cup run if we went out and tried to win a game from the off and played football instead of trying to strangle the opposition into submission.
I would hope we could get a Brendon Rogers/David Moyes type of manager as we would be a good stepping stone for managers of that ilk to resurect their carears.
Face it, were only going to be a stepping stone for most managers and players either on their way up or on the way down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 12:53:27 PM
Hang on, now you're saying we have a chairman who is willing to spend?  That's certainly not Peace's reputation.

But that's my point, we've shown that the results and points on the board are not good noughts, how is that attractive for a manager?

Rodgers wasted loads of money at Liverpool.  Everton fans, and utd fans, hated their style of football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 12:53:27 PM
Hang on, do now you're saying we have a chairman who is willing to spend?  That's certainly not Peace reputation.

But that's my point, we've shown that the results and points on the board are not good noughts, how is that attractive for a manager?

Rodgers wasted loads of money at Liverpool.  Everton fans, and utd fans, hated their style of football.

Weve been dragged into the gutter by your mate tony pulis. The one who cant be criticised.

Your making yourself look stupid on this site.

I will be proved right with tony pulis and you dont like it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 22, 2016, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
The only thing to come out of all this is that other managers will see us a poisonous club.  Look at it from an outsiders view, a chairman who is reluctant to spend,  reluctant to sell players even when they want to go, an aging squad that needs a lot of work and a fan base that see mid table finishes as not good enough and will hound their manager out.  Would you want to manage here?

Spot on. Moyes and Monk have lost their job when they had a bad run at their previous clubs. They didn't get the time to turn around those bad runs.

Why would they join a club who hound out the manager as soon as another bad run starts? (That's if you count 3 losses out of the last 13 as bad form.)

They may as well go to China and get twice the money for less stress.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 22, 2016, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 12:57:16 PM

I will be proved right with tony pulis and you dont like it.

That's the sad part. You are willing to see your team lose and go backwards just to say you were right. You'll be the same if you don't like the next guy. Where does it end with you?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:00:20 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 22, 2016, 12:58:21 PM
Spot on. Moyes and Monk have lost their job when they had a bad run at their previous clubs. They didn't get the time to turn around those bad runs.

Why would they join a club who hound out the manager as soon as another bad run starts? (That's if you count 3 losses out of the last 13 as bad form.)

They may as well go to China and get twice the money for less stress.

Suprise suprise stoke lad appears.

Boinging_along & stokelad are the same person lads ive worked it out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:00:29 PM
The fans are dragging us through the gutter.

I don't know what you mean by being proved right. That Pulis will leave west brom? Of course he will. That he'll see us relegated? I don't think we'll go down.

I want west brom to do as well as possible, not to be proven "right".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 22, 2016, 01:00:03 PM
That's the sad part. You are willing to see your team lose and go backwards just to say you were right. You'll be the same if you don't like the next guy. Where does it end with you?

Wow wow wow let me stop you there. Where have i said i want us to lose?

Whats your obsession with wba? When you pay money into our club then you can have an opinion i will listen to.  Until then jog on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:04:07 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:00:29 PM
The fans are dragging us through the gutter.

I don't know what you mean by being proved right. That Pulis will leave west brom? Of course he will. That he'll see us relegated? I don't think we'll go down.

I want west brom to do as well as possible, not to be proven "right".

One fan who threw a coin?

Or the majority who dont agree with you?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 22, 2016, 01:04:13 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 22, 2016, 12:58:21 PM
Spot on. Moyes and Monk have lost their job when they had a bad run at their previous clubs. They didn't get the time to turn around those bad runs.

Why would they join a club who hound out the manager as soon as another bad run starts? (That's if you count 3 losses out of the last 13 as bad form.)

They may as well go to China and get twice the money for less stress.

From my point of view it has nothing to do with a bad run of form however long that may be.

If Pulis changed his tactics I could accept a poor run of form, what concerns me is he will never change.

Manchester City or Port Vale he has one way of playing, in my opinion that is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:06:30 PM
In response to someone wondering if we'd lose and Pulis would the sack you said...

Quote from: M666EYS on February 10, 2016, 03:42:17 PM
Hope so.
There have also been other comments where you've made it clear you're happy for us to lose if it means getting rid of Pulis. And wasn't it you who said you'd rather see us relegated so wed have a few derbies??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:04:07 PM
One fan who threw a coin?

Or the majority who dont agree with you?

The fans who boo and jeer our own players.  The ones willing us to lose. The type of fan who might thrown coins at his own team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:08:23 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:06:30 PM
In response to someone wondering if we'd lose and Pulis would the sack you said...
There have also been other comments where you've made it clear you're happy for us to lose if it means getting rid of Pulis. And wasn't it you who said you'd rather see us relegated so wed have a few derbies??

Love twisting people comments dont you.

You are making yourself look a fool.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:07:36 PM
The fans who boo and jeer our own players.  The ones willing us to lose. The type of fan who might thrown coins at his own team.

Lets all clap along then shall we......you are making yourself look very silly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 22, 2016, 01:09:48 PM
When I used to go to the Stoke games I always said the same thing to my mates, 'I don't know how they can go and watch that every week'
My apologies to all the clay heads, I now know what you had to endure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:10:42 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:08:23 PM
Love twisting people comments dont you.

You are making yourself look a fool.

So you didn't say "I hope so" then?  Or that you'd like to see us relegated to play more derbies?  Sorry if that wasn't you, I was sure it was.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:09:28 PM
Lets all clap along then shall we......you are making yourself look very silly.

I don't mind discussing things with you but you're constantly posting "you're making yourself look silly" and other lines.  Feel free to discuss things but I'd rather do it like a grown up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:10:42 PM
So you didn't say "I hope so" then?  Or that you'd like to see us relegated to play more derbies?  Sorry if that wasn't you, I was sure it was.

What i actually said was that if we went down we would have derbys to look forward to rather than the sh1te were watching now and have a new manager in place who hopefully gets us playing better football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:13:27 PM
I don't mind discussing things with you but you're constantly posting "you're making yourself look silly" and other lines.  Feel free to discuss things but I'd rather do it like a grown up.

You arguements are constantly flawed. The fact is Tony Pulis is ruining the club. He is the poison within.

What happens on a saturday puts weight behind my arguement, but you start defending him game after game. Do you go to games? Do you pay hard earned money to go? Im not sure that you do because if you did you would hurt like the rest of us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:23:38 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
What i actually said was that if we went down we would have derbys to look forward to rather than the sh1te were watching now and have a new manager in place who hopefully gets us playing better football.

You said we may as well go down as aiming for as many points as possible is not a good enough ambition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 22, 2016, 01:24:33 PM
Lads calm down , doesn't matter whose view is right.
Everyone has their own view and rightly so.
Please start respecting that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 22, 2016, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: Aztech on February 22, 2016, 01:04:13 PM
From my point of view it has nothing to do with a bad run of form however long that may be.

If Pulis changed his tactics I could accept a poor run of form, what concerns me is he will never change.

Manchester City or Port Vale he has one way of playing, in my opinion that is unacceptable.

Most clubs are like that though. van Gaal wants his slow possession game whether playing against Man City or Shrewsbury. Ranieri and Pardew want to counter attack with pace whoever they are against. Alex Neil wants to play a high defensive line home or away, whether winning or losing. There are pros and cons to every managers chosen philosophy.

I can't think of any manager who drastically changes formations or personnel game to game. Most find their strongest XI and keep that in place as long as possible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:18:00 PM
You arguements are constantly flawed. The fact is Tony Pulis is ruining the club. He is the poison within.

What happens on a saturday puts weight behind my arguement, but you start defending him game after game. Do you go to games? Do you pay hard earned money to go? Im not sure that you do because if you did you would hurt like the rest of us.

As I said, feel free to discuss it. Tell me which of my arguments are flawed.  my position remains the same, we're not doing great but we're not doing terrible,  things could be a lot worse and after Mel, Irvine and the direction we were going in I'm happy to see us scrap for mid table and hopefully build from there.  Losing one game to Reading isn't going to change that, I'm looking at the bigger picture.

Do you still think we're going to get relegated?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 22, 2016, 01:31:36 PM
The booing of our team is quite pathetic though to be honest, it doesn't help our players at all and they don't deserve it - whatever you think of Pulis, the players work very hard and could do without the booing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on February 22, 2016, 01:33:20 PM
If we don't get the next win soon, then we could still be dragged back into it, but it does look unlikely.  I was pleased with the appointment last year and the way we pulled ourself to safety.  I think he's hamstrung himself this year by constantly trying to play the percentages, safety first, and he now looks, if not a dead man walking, then certainly someone on his way out.  I hope we get to safety soon, then he can go off and do his thing somewhere else and we can get someone else in for a badly needed overhaul of the squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:36:01 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
As I said, feel free to discuss it. Tell me which of my arguments are flawed.  my position remains the same, we're not doing great but we're not doing terrible,  things could be a lot worse and after Mel, Irvine and the direction we were going in I'm happy to see us scrap for mid table and hopefully build from there.  Losing one game to Reading isn't going to change that, I'm looking at the bigger picture.

Do you still think we're going to get relegated?

I would argue we havent improved under pulis from alan irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 22, 2016, 01:37:29 PM
Has he really not gone yet? How depressing.

Seen the comment again of how people didn't give Pulis a chance and wanted him out since day one - rubbish. Everyone was happy when we actually still looked like a decent football team last season, his name was sung at games every week because we foolishly believed the rubbish he spouted in the media. The accusation that people wanting Pulis out always have done is completely and utterly WRONG.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on February 22, 2016, 01:41:02 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 22, 2016, 01:26:58 PM
Most clubs are like that though. van Gaal wants his slow possession game whether playing against Man City or Shrewsbury. Ranieri and Pardew want to counter attack with pace whoever they are against. Alex Neil wants to play a high defensive line home or away, whether winning or losing. There are pros and cons to every managers chosen philosophy.

I can't think of any manager who drastically changes formations or personnel game to game. Most find their strongest XI and keep that in place as long as possible.

The problem is, most other managers seem to know when to make subs to try and change the flow of games. Pulis simply hasn't got a clue in that respect, and saturday was further evidence of that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:44:39 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:36:01 PM
I would argue we havent improved under pulis from alan irvine.

Amazing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 22, 2016, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:44:39 PM
Amazing.

Would you care to elaborate on that or are you going to stick to your one word, patronising response?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 22, 2016, 01:50:53 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 22, 2016, 01:47:23 PM
Would you care to elaborate on that or are you going to stick to your one word, patronising response?

Actually !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:53:12 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 22, 2016, 01:47:23 PM
Would you care to elaborate on that or are you going to stick to your one word, patronising response?
Nothing patronising about it. I'm genuinely amazed that anyone would think that we havent improved. Surely we haven't got that short a memory.  Go back to the start of this thread and see how happy people were that we got Pulis in because of the mess we'd found ourselves in. Are we in a better potion than that? Yes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 03:01:29 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:53:12 PM
Nothing patronising about it. I'm genuinely amazed that anyone would think that we havent improved. Surely we haven't got that short a memory.  Go back to the start of this thread and see how happy people were that we got Pulis in because of the mess we'd found ourselves in. Are we in a better potion than that? Yes.

the fans have never been like this since Bobby Gould.

we were terrible under little buckley and smith in the 90s but nothing compared to this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2016, 03:07:04 PM
eddy on wm knows what hes talking about, have a listen one night
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 22, 2016, 03:32:54 PM
I do admit to being very bored of all things Albion at the moment, that's not really to do with Pulis because I don't expect it to change whoever is appointed after TP. Next season we'll probably be without any local derbies, getting knocked out of cups early, slogging our way to reach 40 points again while playing a standard of football not pleasing on the eye. How fun.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 22, 2016, 03:37:43 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 22, 2016, 03:32:54 PM
Next season we'll probably be without any local derbies, getting knocked out of cups early, slogging our way to reach 40 points again while playing a standard of football not pleasing on the eye. How fun.

I'm confident that we can improve on this if we get rid of the current Head Coach and make the right appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2016, 03:56:05 PM
if and when hes going to have his work cut out even with 100million
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 22, 2016, 04:16:53 PM
Having taken a few days to mull things over, it's pretty obvious now that the majority of the fans are anti-Pulis. I'm not sure that we're at the cross-roads just yet, but we're not far off, a poor result on Saturday, could well be the point of no return.

IMO, following a loss on Saturday, TP would need a miracle to motivate both players & fans even through to the summer. On the other hand, following the coin throwing incident, dismissal could be viewed as giving in to fan power.
IMO there will be a parting of the ways sooner or later, if the decision is to be made by WBA, it's likely to depend on JP's future, alternatively, TP's agent could be sounding out Newcastle or Villa, I think either of them would take him in a heartbeat.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2016, 04:19:10 PM
the opportunity he had to win a few over on saturday, quite possible his worst cup performance
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 22, 2016, 04:28:28 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2016, 04:19:10 PM
the opportunity he had to win a few over on saturday, quite possible his worst cup performance

TBH I was away at the weekend & only saw the highlights, so I couldn't comment on how good or bad we were. I have to say, I thought the defending for the set pieces was horrendous. It used to be one of our strengths, but now we're really poor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sooty2 on February 22, 2016, 05:07:00 PM
Pullis will leave at the end of the season with his bonus in his pocket for keeping us up then the club will be sold which it probably already has.The new owner will then bring his own manager in then we will start afresh job done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie79 on February 22, 2016, 05:11:34 PM
Pulis will not be sacked before the end of the season as he guarantees survival but he will leave the club in the summer whether off his own back or by getting sacked. I cant see any possible way he is manager of this club in August, JP not happy, players not happy and fans not happy means only one outcome.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 22, 2016, 05:31:12 PM
Quote from: Baggie79 on February 22, 2016, 05:11:34 PM
Pulis will not be sacked before the end of the season as he guarantees survival but he will leave the club in the summer whether off his own back or by getting sacked. I cant see any possible way he is manager of this club in August, JP not happy, players not happy and fans not happy means only one outcome.

He's not a guarantee of anything he's never been relegated but the margin is often not that many points and well within the margin of error.

If Peace is not happy then that's curtains. See you Tone and where do I sign up to renew my season ticket?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on February 22, 2016, 05:34:45 PM
just out of curiosity how does any one know if peace is happy?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on February 22, 2016, 05:42:40 PM
Even though I think his times up, I wouldn't even use the phrase "anti-Pulis", he did the job he was asked to do initially, the 30 month contract was in case we went down there wouldn't be anyone much better than him to get us back up.  But he has just tried to play it too safe this year in a pretty weak league, and although I can appreciate the sort of organisation that can get you points at Chelsea and Everton on a good day, watching the table football lines of four in home games is just rubbish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 22, 2016, 06:15:11 PM
I'm still expecting him to see out his contract. JP not happy is speculation. Losing the players absolute nonsense. Where's the next win coming from? Joke question we won last week. Relegation threatened. No chance we need 5 more points.

The usual pant wetting. My opinion is better than your opinion rubbish on here. The word fact being thrown round like a Rafa Benitez convention.

The sky has not fallen in chicken licken... it's only an acoin.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 22, 2016, 06:26:50 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 22, 2016, 01:24:33 PM
Lads calm down , doesn't matter whose view is right.
Everyone has their own view and rightly so.
Please start respecting that.
Its simply symptomatic of what is happening on the terraces (seats to be pedantic) and in the pubs and on line elsewhere  the atmosphere around our club is, generally speaking, pretty toxic all round
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 22, 2016, 06:27:15 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
The only thing to come out of all this is that other managers will see us a poisonous club.  Look at it from an outsiders view, a chairman who is reluctant to spend,  reluctant to sell players even when they want to go, an aging squad that needs a lot of work and a fan base that see mid table finishes as not good enough and will hound their manager out.  Would you want to manage here?

Nice exaggeration there. All of Mowbray, Di Matteo, Hodgson, Clarke and Mel got great support from the fans. It was only under Alan Irvine (understandably so) and Pulis now where fans have voiced their frustration.

And lets face it, I think pretty much everyone agrees that Pulis' ability to get points and results in this league is unquestionable. What is questionable, and annoying to do those Pulis-sceptics is the manner in which he does it.

Fans want to see entertainment - watching a negative Albion side that cannot score goals, creates very few chances and plays for set pieces is not what many of the fan base want.

I don't agree with the reluctance to spend either - Pulis spent the best part of £35million in the summer and what we've seen is a side accumulate points but the overall standard of football has regressed from last season.

Stop having a pop at supporters because they do not want to watch their side resort to such mind-numbing pooh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 22, 2016, 06:58:04 PM
Quote from: kie the baggie on February 22, 2016, 05:34:45 PM
just out of curiosity how does any one know if peace is happy?

I think it's fair to say, that JP is proud of WBA &  sees it's development as a personal triumph. It's unlikely that he would be happy that the good name of WBA has been tarnished in the same way that is was last weekend.
I also think it's fair to assume that the coin throwing incident would have been unlikely if the result had gone our way.
I also think it's fair to assume that it's recent results (as opposed to playing style) have turned a vociferous minority of anti-Pulis fans into a majority.

As Head Coach, responsibility for results & fan's frustrations lie firmly at TP's door. So, based on the above, I would say, at the moment, JP is not happy.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 22, 2016, 07:15:58 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 22, 2016, 06:58:04 PM
I think it's fair to say, that JP is proud of WBA &  sees it's development as a personal triumph. It's unlikely that he would be happy that the good name of WBA has been tarnished in the same way that is was last weekend.
I also think it's fair to assume that the coin throwing incident would have been unlikely if the result had gone our way.
I also think it's fair to assume that it's recent results (as opposed to playing style) have turned a vociferous minority of anti-Pulis fans into a majority.

As Head Coach, responsibility for results & fan's frustrations lie firmly at TP's door. So, based on the above, I would say, at the moment, JP is not happy.

You should now expect to be called 'stoopid' and that your post is 'balls'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on February 22, 2016, 07:39:08 PM
Quote from: frazzle on February 22, 2016, 07:15:58 PM
You should now expect to be called 'stoopid' and that your post is 'balls'.
I was just thinking exactly the same.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on February 22, 2016, 07:56:00 PM
I think that it is certain that Pulis will leave at the end of the season, more time then hopefully to appoint a new head coach. I am sure JP will pay him off the remaining year of his contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 22, 2016, 07:56:37 PM
The difference between stating the obvious if we hadn't lost the coin throw wouldn't have happened to the tenuous 'link' that if we played more attractive football the coin throw wouldn't have happened.  :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 22, 2016, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: botters on February 22, 2016, 07:56:00 PM
I think that it is certain that Pulis will leave at the end of the season, more time then hopefully to appoint a new head coach. I am sure JP will pay him off the remaining year of his contract.

We got hammered by the media for the sackings of Di Matteo and Clarke who would be on much lower wages than Pulis and were in much worse positions. I don't think Peace can afford to sack a guy with a 35-40% PL win rate and former PL manager of the year after successive mid-table finishes from a PR perspective and such a large compensation figure from his own frugal perspective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on February 22, 2016, 08:06:45 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 22, 2016, 08:01:31 PM
We got hammered by the media for the sackings of Di Matteo and Clarke who would be on much lower wages than Pulis and were in much worse positions. I don't think Peace can afford to sack a guy with a 35-40% PL win rate and former PL manager of the year after successive mid-table finishes from a PR perspective and such a large compensation figure from his own frugal perspective.

I didn't say a sacking it seems obvious reading between the lines that Pulis wants out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 22, 2016, 08:15:36 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 22, 2016, 07:56:37 PM
The difference between stating the obvious if we hadn't lost the coin throw wouldn't have happened to the tenuous 'link' that if we played more attractive football the coin throw wouldn't have happened.  :-*

Jacko, I have a lot of time for your posts, & IMO you should be commended for the support you give to the current regime, but....

Stating the obvious or not, I didn't say there was a link between the coin throw & the style of football that we play, in fact I made the point that, IMO, it was triggered by the result.

If you read some of my previous posts, I think you will find that, again IMO, the majority of fans are motivated by results, & style is secondary
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 22, 2016, 08:24:03 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 22, 2016, 08:15:36 PM
Jacko, I have a lot of time for your posts, & IMO you should be commended for the support you give to the current regime, but....

Stating the obvious or not, I didn't say there was a link between the coin throw & the style of football that we play, in fact I made the point that, IMO, it was triggered by the result.

If you read some of my previous posts, I think you will find that, again IMO, the majority of fans are motivated by results, & style is secondary

I know, was supporting your post while commenting on the disparaging posts that followed it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 22, 2016, 08:26:06 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 22, 2016, 08:24:03 PM
I know, was supporting your post while commenting on the disparaging posts that followed it.

Oops sorry  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 22, 2016, 08:35:48 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on February 22, 2016, 08:20:23 PM
If Baggie79 says it then i believe it, the guys spot on 99% of the time.

It would be interesting to know what finally pushed JP over the line, i wonder if even JP can't stand this football just for the sake of survival or whether there could have been a fall out over transfers or personal matters. Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in JPs office at the moment...
Yes, lots of talk and opinions in this thread (and rightly so, but when it's came to transfers in the past, he is always right)

I think as an outsider - I always thought he would go in the summer. To answer your question, I imagine Peace has been annoyed by his spending on the likes of Lambert, Chester, McManaman and possibly the handling of the Berahino issue and other targets. I remember in January when times were less negative, TP used Berahino as a dig against Peace by stating he needed better players, all the while some of his signings where not being used which can't have sat well with Peace. If you cross Peace then that seems it, and Pulis is too stubborn to back down.

Anyway, for those saying Pulis won't guarentee survival, in a literal sense you are right, but lets be honest; we're not going down under him. No matter how bad we've looked at times under him, he always has a shock result from somewhere, such as the Everton game. He's done this throughout his career and probably won't change now. One more win and we're on 35 points which may be enough, albeit we should comfortably get more than this without tempting fate. As much as you may hate his style, he can get points on the board and should continue to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggyman68 on February 22, 2016, 08:39:23 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on February 22, 2016, 08:20:23 PM
If Baggie79 says it then i believe it, the guys spot on 99% of the time.

It would be interesting to know what finally pushed JP over the line, i wonder if even JP can't stand this football just for the sake of survival or whether there could have been a fall out over transfers or personal matters. Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in JPs office at the moment...
Sorry but have I Missed something? What line did jp cross?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 22, 2016, 08:40:52 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on February 22, 2016, 08:20:23 PM
If Baggie79 says it then i believe it, the guys spot on 99% of the time.

It would be interesting to know what finally pushed JP over the line, i wonder if even JP can't stand this football just for the sake of survival or whether there could have been a fall out over transfers or personal matters. Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in JPs office at the moment...

Baggie79 is undoubtedly a true ITK, whether he or his source have Jeremy Peace's ear I very much doubt, that said would be interesting to know if it his opinion or if he has something more concrete.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on February 22, 2016, 10:20:28 PM
Is it Pulis fault though?  Season after season we retain the same players as no-one seems to want to leave and no other clubs seem to want our players.  We're left with an old, slow, sub-standard core set of players.

It's a gravy train in terms of jobs on the football side of West Brom.  What do the scouts do?  Boss - I can get you a new left back, don't bother Brunt will player there all season.  What about CM, don't bother that's Morrisons spot.  What about CB, don't bother we have McAuley / Olsson.  GK?  Nah Fosters place. 

Are we capable of playing any other way with this squad of players?  Probably not as theyre lacking in skill and too slow.

I hate to tell you this Pulis and Kemp are probably drawing the maximum from the playing squad anyway!

WBA fans on the whole like loyal, wholehearted players, and criticise unpredictable mavericks.  What we've got is what we've asked for, so what is there to moan about?

Peace is as comfortable as you like and as far removed from the Leicester City template as you could be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 22, 2016, 10:26:56 PM
I'd agree with your sentiment but Foster, McAuley, Brunt and Morrison are among our best players with Evans, Berahino (with his head on right) and Yacob.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 22, 2016, 10:33:15 PM
WBA haven't evolved despite saying in top league.
Olsson and Mcauley are still here. Haven't really had a decent full back on either side in years. If probably have ridgewell back in a heart beat.

In midfield we never replaced Thomas. Also for me scharner. Fletcher doesn't offer half as much in my eyes.

Kill to have a maf over sick vic and lambert. Odemwingie was class and probably too good for WBA.

All over the pitch we have either stagnated or regressed. I have no problem with brunt Morrison Olsson etc but we needed to make them squad players by now so we could evolve. Literally we have just get filling the squad with dross year in year out:

Anelka Lugano Popov Davidson anichibe Gardner the list goes on. Poor recruitment for years leaves us with a squad full of aging or old core players and rubbish nobody else would sign stuck on large contracts.

That isn't Pulis fault. However how he utilises what we have is disgraceful. We play not too lose rather than to win. He won't give exciting players a go. Gamboa is weak defensively but technically he's class. Mcmannaman most exciting player we have had since Thomas. Gnarby bombed out. Pritchard looks creative and technically superior to half the squad. Won't get a look in.

Lambert has offered nothing when he has played. Anichibe bar some cameos at home and v Newcastle largely does sod all. Rondon jurys out. Berahino doesn't look bothered, got leko and Roberts waiting in the wings could easily be given game time.

Give Pulis all the money in the world and he would still aim to bore the pants off us and grind out results through ard work. It's boring it's not getting us anywhere and the squad is even more unbalanced than 12 months ago. Need somebody new
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 22, 2016, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on February 22, 2016, 06:26:50 PM
Its simply symptomatic of what is happening on the terraces (seats to be pedantic) and in the pubs and on line elsewhere  the atmosphere around our club is, generally speaking, pretty toxic all round
Quite  true but we don't moderate the pubs , terraces or the pubs . ;D
We understand heated debate but the line is drawn there , no insults needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on February 23, 2016, 01:16:01 AM
Some media outlets are suggesting that TP will be looking to extend his contract in summer, will have a strong hand if the Albion push on and get a top ten finish
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 23, 2016, 02:39:46 AM
Quote from: paulosull on February 23, 2016, 01:16:01 AM
Some media outlets are suggesting that TP will be looking to extend his contract in summer, will have a strong hand if the Albion push on and get a top ten finish

To be honest that's how I read his weekend comments to be fair. Know's there is still a lot of work to do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 23, 2016, 03:19:54 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 03:01:29 PM
the fans have never been like this since Bobby Gould.

we were terrible under little buckley and smith in the 90s but nothing compared to this.

You right there were 10-14,000 less of them :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 23, 2016, 03:22:39 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 22, 2016, 03:37:43 PM
I'm confident that we can improve on this if we get rid of the current Head Coach and make the right appointment.

While I agree with the sentiment, I have my doubts about making a good appointment, going on the past few :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 23, 2016, 06:21:38 AM
Quote from: paulosull on February 23, 2016, 01:16:01 AM
Some media outlets are suggesting that TP will be looking to extend his contract in summer, will have a strong hand if the Albion push on and get a top ten finish

Would we (the fans) still accept the industrial type of football we are becoming associated with even if we do get a top 10 finish?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pauly414 on February 23, 2016, 07:21:16 AM
I, for one, won't be renewing if Pulis is still here come the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 23, 2016, 08:19:58 AM
There is nothing that we can realistically achieve that makes Pulisball worthwhile. Anything we can achieve by playing Pulisball can be achieved by playing better football and without taking risks we will never get much beyond where we are now because we simply won't win enough games. This is exactly where Stoke were for the entirety of their time in the Premier League this is what he does.

 The truth is maybe we haven't got the resources to get much beyond where we are now we might have the occasional tilt at a cup and a top half finish in a good year I am entirely happy with that I get it, I don't expect the world which is why playing ugly football to achieve it is so utterly dispiriting. 

I find the thought of another season of this is appalling if Peace extends his contract beyond that it opens up the prospect of Pulis for two or three more seasons which is the football equivalent of purgatory.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 23, 2016, 08:28:33 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:36:01 PM
I would argue we havent improved under pulis from alan irvine.

Im not having that sorry.

We are a far cry from when Irvine was here.

We may not play any better football but generally we are a much better side capable of getting a result
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 23, 2016, 08:36:42 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 23, 2016, 08:19:58 AM
There is nothing that we can realistically achieve that makes Pulisball worthwhile. Anything we can achieve by playing Pulisball can be achieved by playing better football and without taking risks we will never get much beyond where we are now because we simply won't win enough games. This is exactly where Stoke were for the entirety of their time in the Premier League this is what he does.

 The truth is maybe we haven't got the resources to get much beyond where we are now we might have the occasional tilt at a cup and a top half finish in a good year I am entirely happy with that I get it, I don't expect the world which is why playing ugly football to achieve it is so utterly dispiriting. 

I find the thought of another season of this is appalling if Peace extends his contract beyond that it opens up the prospect of Pulis for two or three more seasons which is the football equivalent of purgatory.

I wonder if Pulis came here on the basis we were close to a sale, with the prospect of more funds being available for better players? If that's not going to happen now, he might feel he could get that elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 23, 2016, 08:43:01 AM
Despite wanting him gone, i'm genuinely afraid of the next mistake our board will make if Tony leaves in the summer. I can see us getting relegated in the next two seasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 23, 2016, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 23, 2016, 08:36:42 AM
I wonder if Pulis came here on the basis we were close to a sale, with the prospect of more funds being available for better players? If that's not going to happen now, he might feel he could get that elsewhere.

I don't think throwing money at Pulis will necessary achieve a better type of footballing side.
He was back to the hilt by the Coates family, I don't believe money was ever an issue.
The fans simply got fed up of the dross being delivered up every week.
I think Pulis left their team needing just a few quality additions to make them a decent football team.
Bit like where we are now.
4 players would make all the difference, but they need to be players selected by a 'footballing manager'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 23, 2016, 09:04:38 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 23, 2016, 06:21:38 AM
Would we (the fans) still accept the industrial type of football we are becoming associated with even if we do get a top 10 finish?


I don't think there's any chance of getting a top 10 finish, 14th is the best we can hope for realistically.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 23, 2016, 09:43:07 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 23, 2016, 08:36:42 AM
I wonder if Pulis came here on the basis we were close to a sale, with the prospect of more funds being available for better players? If that's not going to happen now, he might feel he could get that elsewhere.


a) Nothing to suggest we would have more money to spend under a new ownership there was every chance they would have run the club along similar lines to Peace.

b) I believe Pulis had a release clause in his contract which allowed him to walk if he didn't much like the look of the new ownership so I don't think he was counting on a sale.

c) Pulis is not going to be given a club with much more money than us to spend the only reason you appoint Pulis is a desperate attempt to stay in the Premier League you give him enough to do that anything more is a total waste of money

Quote from: HampshireBaggie on February 23, 2016, 08:43:01 AM
Despite wanting him gone, i'm genuinely afraid of the next mistake our board will make if Tony leaves in the summer. I can see us getting relegated in the next two seasons.

There is every chance we will get relegated in the next two seasons regardless of management appointments signings etc.... Take a look at the bottom three they have roughly £20m to £30m a year more to spend on footballers than we do, look at Swansea the poster boys for "small club done good" look at some of the team's that are in the Championship, we do not have the resources to totally insulate against relegation.

The reality is we will have one bad season when everything that can go wrong, goes wrong and we will fall below the line and we can do that under Pulis as well as any other manager. My argument has always been Pulis doesn't guarantee anything other than turgid football if you want a guarantee against relegation get yourself a top 6 wage bill that works everything else might but equally might not.

At some point we will be relegated so we may as well have some fun while we are here and Pulisball is no fun.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 23, 2016, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 23, 2016, 08:28:33 AM
Im not having that sorry.

We are a far cry from when Irvine was here.

We may not play any better football but generally we are a much better side capable of getting a result
Agreed , on our day we have shown TP's side is much better.
My gripe with Pulis is the huge difference between games like Spurs , Chelsea and Newcastle(h) when this side played some good attacking football compared to Reading , Saints x2 and Newcastle (a) and a whole lot more. Sitting on the fence about TP and looking at those it's hard to see it's the same side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 23, 2016, 10:22:45 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 23, 2016, 09:43:07 AM
a) Nothing to suggest we would have more money to spend under a new ownership there was every chance they would have run the club along similar lines to Peace.


History doesn't support that argument though does it? Almost every club with changed ownership is wealthier as a result. Your reply to Hampshire Baggie provides evidence.

I'm suggesting that it's almost impossible to predict an outcome if we don't know who the owners of WBA will be next season. If it's going to be JP for the forseeable future then your scenario may well come to pass, if it's new owners, then who knows what the outcome would be?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 23, 2016, 11:19:27 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 23, 2016, 08:28:33 AM
Im not having that sorry.

We are a far cry from when Irvine was here.

We may not play any better football but generally we are a much better side capable of getting a result
funny you say that, I actually made a note of comparing the start of this season and Irvine's as we went along. Bar The final week or so,  Pulis' season was basically the same, except funnily enough we had conceded more goals while scoring just as many as under Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 23, 2016, 11:29:17 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 23, 2016, 10:22:45 AM
History doesn't support that argument though does it? Almost every club with changed ownership is wealthier as a result. Your reply to Hampshire Baggie provides evidence.


Not really like that though. A host of Championship clubs at present have been taken over in modern times and ended up worse off or stood still. Forest, Leeds, Fulham, Cardiff, Blackburn, Charlton and Reading.

The three sides occupying the relegation spots in the premier league too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on February 23, 2016, 11:50:03 AM
When we appointed Pullis we all had a clear idea what the deal was.  Pullis keeps us up, but we play defensively.  He has done what it says on the tin.  Before we move on from this I suggest we need one more season to stabilise and consider our next steps very carefully. Whatever we do let's not boot him out or kick the team, we are not safe yet!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 23, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 23, 2016, 11:29:17 AM
Not really like that though. A host of Championship clubs at present have been taken over in modern times and ended up worse off or stood still. Forest, Leeds, Fulham, Cardiff, Blackburn, Charlton and Reading.

The three sides occupying the relegation spots in the premier league too.

The argument wasn't about their position in the league, it was about the relative wealth & spending potential before & after change of ownership. I would argue that every one of the clubs you mentioned were wealthier & had greater spending potential after the change of ownership.
The fact that they are where they are suggests that they haven't used the money very effectively, which is a different argument.
Standaman had suggested that any new owners of WBA could use a similar spending model to the the current regime. They might, but history suggests that they might want to bring in better players.
It really depends on the objectives of the owners, if JP abandons his desire to sell the FC, bottom half of the EPL/top half of the Championship would continue to provide him with an income & IMO that would be our fate for the forseeable future, we might play decent football, but it's unlikely we'll win anything.
New owners, & particularly those from Asia, would probably see the aquisition of WBA as a vehicle to promote their interests in the West, & want the club to be successful.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 23, 2016, 01:07:30 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on February 23, 2016, 11:19:27 AM
funny you say that, I actually made a note of comparing the start of this season and Irvine's as we went along. Bar The final week or so,  Pulis' season was basically the same, except funnily enough we had conceded more goals while scoring just as many as under Irvine.

Up until the Irvine was sacked he had 17 points and had 2 runs of losses of 4 on the trot and 3 on the trot

Pulis in the same time frame had 23 points and hadnt lost more than 2 games on the trot

Huge difference
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 23, 2016, 01:14:11 PM
No insult meant to anyone in particular, but this whole debate regarding Tony Pulis has become more boring than Palace, Southampton, Swansea, Newcastle and Reading away combined.

Not to mention Norwich away in the League Cup and some of the home games  ;).

COYB and SOTV.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 23, 2016, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 23, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
The argument wasn't about their position in the league, it was about the relative wealth & spending potential before & after change of ownership. I would argue that every one of the clubs you mentioned were wealthier & had greater spending potential after the change of ownership.
The fact that they are where they are suggests that they haven't used the money very effectively, which is a different argument.
Standaman had suggested that any new owners of WBA could use a similar spending model to the the current regime. They might, but history suggests that they might want to bring in better players.
It really depends on the objectives of the owners, if JP abandons his desire to sell the FC, bottom half of the EPL/top half of the Championship would continue to provide him with an income & IMO that would be our fate for the forseeable future, we might play decent football, but it's unlikely we'll win anything.
New owners, & particularly those from Asia, would probably see the aquisition of WBA as a vehicle to promote their interests in the West, & want the club to be successful.

Well two of the clubs are under a transfer embargo. The fact that the other clubs have thrown money and not progressed is proof that money can't guarantee a kick start.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 23, 2016, 01:39:02 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on February 23, 2016, 01:14:11 PM
No insult meant to anyone in particular, but this whole debate regarding Tony Pulis has become more boring than Palace, Southampton, Swansea, Newcastle and Reading away combined.

Not to mention Norwich away in the League Cup and some of the home games  ;).

COYB and SOTV.
 8).

There's less progress in this debate than Albion's attacking this season! It's going round in more circles than Mowbray's team in the premier league!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 23, 2016, 01:53:36 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 23, 2016, 08:28:33 AM
Im not having that sorry.

We are a far cry from when Irvine was here.

We may not play any better football but generally we are a much better side capable of getting a result
We are fractionally better, £40M worth of investment better? No way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 23, 2016, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on February 23, 2016, 01:14:11 PM
No insult meant to anyone in particular, but this whole debate regarding Tony Pulis has become more boring than Palace, Southampton, Swansea, Newcastle and Reading away combined.

Not to mention Norwich away in the League Cup and some of the home games  ;).

COYB and SOTV.
 8).
I agree, his supporters desperately trying to cling on some kind of hope, give it up guys, its over and thank f***
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 23, 2016, 02:06:52 PM
We're not 'fractionally better' though as we're not 1 point off the drop. Before Pulis we had a nasty habit of conceding late goals and had far less belief. The last time we conceded a late goal was vs Bournemouth and even that was clearly not a penalty.

I understand you can criticise Pulis and his style but it's quite evident that we have improved under him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 23, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 23, 2016, 01:53:36 PM
We are fractionally better, £40M worth of investment better? No way.

How many extra points should £40m guarantee these days?

Sunderland have also spent £40m and they have been in the bottom 3 all season. Newcastle United have spent £80m and they are no better off than they were under John Carver. Villa spent around £50m and that hasn't stopped their rot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 23, 2016, 02:21:28 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 23, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
How many extra points should £40m guarantee these days?

Sunderland have also spent £40m and they have been in the bottom 3 all season. Newcastle United have spent £80m and they are no better off than they were under John Carver. Villa spent around £50m and that hasn't stopped their rot.

Good point well made, if we are to part with Pulis, we will run a higher risk of relegation whoever we appoint, as long as we understand that, then crack on, hound him out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on February 23, 2016, 02:30:09 PM
Lets just get through this season and move on.
We may have one or two decent games from now on but I think we can all agree the rest will be utter sh*t to watch and we'll be lucky picking up points. We will stay up two seasons running because there are 3 worse teams.
TP will move on one way or another in the summer and then the circus will begin again finding a new manager. Unfortunately its who we've become.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glynmrtn on February 23, 2016, 02:31:53 PM
absolutely agree black pearl.the old adage is be carefull what you wish for the vile thought swapping managers and spending 50 mill guaranteed survival pullis does hound him out and we,ll have one of peaces nonentities as manager,
 guaranteed relegation
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 23, 2016, 02:38:44 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 23, 2016, 02:21:28 PM
Good point well made, if we are to part with Pulis, we will run a higher risk of relegation whoever we appoint, as long as we understand that, then crack on, hound him out.

Personally I would accept that. I couldn't watch another season of the way we play now with the odd good performance thrown in.
We need creativity in the team, we have loaned a creative mid fielder who looks to make things happen when he comes on the pitch. Trouble is he's on the bench for 80 minutes of the game.
IMO if Pulis stays we will struggle to recruit forward thinking footballers because they no that time on the pitch will be limited.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 23, 2016, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: glynmrtn on February 23, 2016, 02:31:53 PM
absolutely agree black pearl.the old adage is be carefull what you wish for the vile thought swapping managers and spending 50 mill guaranteed survival pullis does hound him out and we,ll have one of peaces nonentities as manager,
 guaranteed relegation


to be fair quite a few will take that, another year of this and i will be one of them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 23, 2016, 02:47:21 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 23, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
How many extra points should £40m guarantee these days?

Sunderland have also spent £40m and they have been in the bottom 3 all season. Newcastle United have spent £80m and they are no better off than they were under John Carver. Villa spent around £50m and that hasn't stopped their rot.
We spent the 5th highest amount in the league last summer, is it is that unreasonable to expect an improvement? Pulis's side of 15/16 actually seems worse than his 14/15 side (his 5 months).  Should that not be questioned when there has been significant amounts spent?  Or should we blindly accept it because others spent poorly?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on February 23, 2016, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 23, 2016, 02:47:21 PM
We spent the 5th highest amount in the league last summer, is it is that unreasonable to expect an improvement? Pulis's side of 15/16 actually seems worse than his 14/15 side (his 5 months).  Should that not be questioned when there has been significant amounts spent?  Or should we blindly accept it because others spent poorly?

what other clubs do i couldnt give a rats backside.

we have spent more than enough to see some sort of improvment. we are going backwards IMO.

the only reason he hasnt been sacked is because weve fluked a couple of wins.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 23, 2016, 03:06:55 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 23, 2016, 02:47:21 PM
We spent the 5th highest amount in the league last summer, is it is that unreasonable to expect an improvement? Pulis's side of 15/16 actually seems worse than his 14/15 side (his 5 months).  Should that not be questioned when there has been significant amounts spent?  Or should we blindly accept it because others spent poorly?

Sorry?! Fifth highest spent?! LOL. Villa, Chelsea, Everton, Leicester, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Newcastle, Southampton, Spurs and West Ham all spent more than us last summer.

Bournemouth, Stoke, Sunderland and Watford have now spent more than us this season.

So just Arsenal, Palace, Norwich and Swansea who haven't spent more than WBA 2015-2016. You must've meant fifth LOWEST.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on February 23, 2016, 03:22:01 PM
He's right we were the fifth highest 'NET' spenders last summer, Villa spent more but had the Benteke money to break even as did other clubs but we spent 40 million or whatever with not a lot coming back...never use the 'LOL' unless you're sure of the facts chief ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 23, 2016, 03:23:09 PM
Come on TP give us something to get excited about against Palace. We need something to lift the mood amongst supporters, another negative display won't help things. We're on 32 points, let's take the hand brake off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 23, 2016, 03:24:52 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 23, 2016, 03:23:09 PM
Come on TP give us something to get excited about against Palace. We need something to lift the mood amongst supporters, another negative display won't help things. We're on 32 points, let's take the hand brake off.


Thats all it takes, simples
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 23, 2016, 03:27:36 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on February 23, 2016, 03:03:49 PM
what other clubs do i couldnt give a rats backside.

we have spent more than enough to see some sort of improvment. we are going backwards IMO.

the only reason he hasnt been sacked is because weve fluked a couple of wins.

We were going backwards

I think we have stabilised!

The football is backwards granted but the club has not gone backwards at all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 23, 2016, 03:29:37 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on February 23, 2016, 03:22:01 PM
He's right we were the fifth highest 'NET' spenders last summer, Villa spent more but had the Benteke money to break even as did other clubs but we spent 40 million or whatever with not a lot coming back...never use the 'LOL' unless you're sure of the facts chief ;)

Did he say that? Or did he say we SPENT the fifth highest amount?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 23, 2016, 03:34:49 PM
I wonder what all this adverse publicity is doing for any potential investors?my overview is that I expect jp to be strong and decisive regarding tp and I think he is already looking for a replacement coach but he won't do anything until were safe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 23, 2016, 03:48:07 PM
Quote from: glynmrtn on February 23, 2016, 02:31:53 PM
absolutely agree black pearl.the old adage is be carefull what you wish for the vile thought swapping managers and spending 50 mill guaranteed survival pullis does hound him out and we,ll have one of peaces nonentities as manager,
 guaranteed relegation

I have watched my club go into the wilderness before, I'm just pointing out, that if we go down, it could be 15 years before we see top flight football again, if TP can not show some progression then I will probably say enough is enough at some point, as you say, be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lonions on February 23, 2016, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 23, 2016, 03:48:07 PM
I have watched my club go into the wilderness before, I'm just pointing out, that if we go down, it could be 15 years before we see top flight football again, if TP can not show some progression then I will probably say enough is enough at some point, as you say, be careful what you wish for.

So true. Don't think the current board have the know how to employ a decent manager just look at Irvine and the rest. Hate to say it but if we sack him we're going to a world of unknown. Does add a bit of excitement to it though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 23, 2016, 04:19:00 PM
Quote from: lonions on February 23, 2016, 04:02:39 PM
So true. Don't think the current board have the know how to employ a decent manager just look at Irvine and the rest. Hate to say it but if we sack him we're going to a world of unknown. Does add a bit of excitement to it though.

What about Mowbray, Hodgson, Di Matteo?

At the time before they were sacked or left they were brilliant so I dont get the post. JP has made some terrible appointments since Hodgson granted but prior to that he made some great choices
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 23, 2016, 04:29:34 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 23, 2016, 04:19:00 PM
What about Mowbray, Hodgson, Di Matteo?

At the time before they were sacked or left they were brilliant so I dont get the post. JP has made some terrible appointments since Hodgson granted but prior to that he made some great choices

They were all Ashworth appointments. Since he left appointments have been awful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 23, 2016, 04:44:37 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 23, 2016, 03:06:55 PM
Sorry?! Fifth highest spent?! LOL. Villa, Chelsea, Everton, Leicester, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Newcastle, Southampton, Spurs and West Ham all spent more than us last summer.

Bournemouth, Stoke, Sunderland and Watford have now spent more than us this season.

So just Arsenal, Palace, Norwich and Swansea who haven't spent more than WBA 2015-2016. You must've meant fifth LOWEST.

No need for sarcastic 'LOL's'.  Yes we did have the 5th highest net spend this summer. I'm soooo sorry for not pointing that out.
http://img.skysports.com/15/09/Others/3345200.jpg
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 23, 2016, 05:02:57 PM
Net spend is misleading when you're talking about how much money has been spent on bringing players in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 23, 2016, 05:05:05 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on February 23, 2016, 04:29:34 PM
They were all Ashworth appointments. Since he left appointments have been awful.
Ashworth wanted to appoint Irvine when we appointed Di Matteo  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 23, 2016, 05:10:47 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 23, 2016, 04:44:37 PM
No need for sarcastic 'LOL's'.  Yes we did have the 5th highest net spend this summer. I'm soooo sorry for not pointing that out.
http://img.skysports.com/15/09/Others/3345200.jpg

Their figures are immediately wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lonions on February 23, 2016, 05:36:16 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 23, 2016, 04:19:00 PM
What about Mowbray, Hodgson, Di Matteo?

At the time before they were sacked or left they were brilliant so I dont get the post. JP has made some terrible appointments since Hodgson granted but prior to that he made some great choices

Sorry but mowbray took us down twice, OK hodgson was decent but your deluded if you think dimatteo was brilliant. One out of many is not good. Guess we have no choice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 23, 2016, 05:47:20 PM
Quote from: lonions on February 23, 2016, 05:36:16 PM
Sorry but mowbray took us down twice, OK hodgson was decent but your deluded if you think dimatteo was brilliant. One out of many is not good. Guess we have no choice.

Mowbray took us down once actually. RDM was limited in the Premier League. Hodgson was excellent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 23, 2016, 05:51:51 PM
Hodgson was decent, what an understatement.  :)

Hodgson got rid of our yo yo tag, established us and made us belong in the Premier League.

Steve Clarke was also a very good appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 23, 2016, 05:54:19 PM
One betting site saying that, if Pulis should be out of work in the summer, the vile would do well to employ him. How interesting would that be after the McLeish debacle? ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 23, 2016, 05:58:27 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 23, 2016, 05:51:51 PM
Hodgson was decent, what an understatement.  :)

Hodgson got rid of our yo yo tag, established us and made us belong in the Premier League.

Steve Clarke was also a very good appointment.

Hodgson did a great job, unfortunately it still didnt stop a proportion of our fans wanting him out. His style of football was also heavily criticised.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 23, 2016, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 23, 2016, 05:58:27 PM
Hodgson did a great job, unfortunately it still didnt stop a proportion of our fans wanting him out. His style of football was also heavily criticised.

I think it was criticised after defeats to Fulham, Swansea and Norwich at home and even then it was only a minority of criticisms. Hodgson's biggest fault was that he tried shoe-horning us into a 442 which didn't work and it came as no surprise to see the side perform much better in a 433.

Hodgson, though, managed to strike the balance that no other manager has found. There is no denying that we played some great, entertaining football which supporters enjoyed. Games against Bolton, Stoke, Blackburn, Wolves, Aston Villa, Sunderland and Chelsea spring to mind from the top of my head.

I think the final few games of that season showed how highly regarded Roy Hodgson was amongst all of us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 23, 2016, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: lonions on February 23, 2016, 05:36:16 PM
Sorry but mowbray took us down twice, OK hodgson was decent but your deluded if you think dimatteo was brilliant. One out of many is not good. Guess we have no choice.

A bit unfair IMO. We won promotion with a much higher points total to that of the Mowbray side. We were also sat in the top 4 at one point in the Prem the following season. Injuries didn't help during the bad run we had. In one game we even had Cech Zuiverloon Jara Hurst as our back 4. We were never in the bottom 3 either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 23, 2016, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: lonions on February 23, 2016, 05:36:16 PM
mowbray took us down twice

Nope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 23, 2016, 11:18:48 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 23, 2016, 04:44:37 PM
No need for sarcastic 'LOL's'.  Yes we did have the 5th highest net spend this summer. I'm soooo sorry for not pointing that out.
http://img.skysports.com/15/09/Others/3345200.jpg
But then in January we spent nothing whilst both Bournemouth, Stoke and Watford spent over £20 million each, on top of their spending in the summer. Those are three clubs off the top of my head, I'm sure others will have over-taken us, probably Sunderland, Norwich, West Ham etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 24, 2016, 12:09:55 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on February 23, 2016, 11:18:48 PM
But then in January we spent nothing whilst both Bournemouth, Stoke and Watford spent over £20 million each, on top of their spending in the summer. Those are three clubs off the top of my head, I'm sure others will have over-taken us, probably Sunderland, Norwich, West Ham etc.

What's that got to do with anything? It's wages that matter, time and time again that's been proven.

PLUS, ALL of those clubs are bankrolled by wealthy set ups. Sunderland and Norwich to lesser extents, but the rest are all Billionaire/Hundred millions easy families. FFP allows a private investment, which they all make.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 24, 2016, 07:53:20 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on February 23, 2016, 11:18:48 PM
But then in January we spent nothing whilst both Bournemouth, Stoke and Watford spent over £20 million each, on top of their spending in the summer. Those are three clubs off the top of my head, I'm sure others will have over-taken us, probably Sunderland, Norwich, West Ham etc.

The figures are misleading and incorrect. Add in Ideye's transfer and we fall on par with Sunderland.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on February 24, 2016, 09:21:54 AM
Quote from: Legend on February 23, 2016, 05:51:51 PM
Hodgson was decent, what an understatement.  :)

Hodgson got rid of our yo yo tag, established us and made us belong in the Premier League.

Steve Clarke was also a very good appointment.
agree with this . the sacking of Clarke was in my eyes premature and was the start of the downward curve that has led us to where we are today lumbered with a worse team and even worse style of play with a one dimensional manager who is either unwilling or unable to change >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on February 24, 2016, 10:11:29 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tony-pulis-sacking-stopped-stoke-city-players-walking-out-8846627.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 24, 2016, 10:16:48 AM
Read that interview it's an old one but still worrying when things do go wrong they really go wrong, get beat by a few on Saturday and we will be getting closer however I do think pulis is popular with the 13/14 or so players he picks from what I have seen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 24, 2016, 10:23:36 AM
Quote from: TAFKATMNo1Fan on February 24, 2016, 10:11:29 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tony-pulis-sacking-stopped-stoke-city-players-walking-out-8846627.html
Says it all really, players not allowed any freedom of expression. Pulis appears to be a control freak who wants to micro-manage every kick, throw, run and tackle and doesn't trust anyone who doesn't stick to his rigid formations. This would explain why we are so restricted and predictable, the players are turning into robots afraid to stray from the chosen path. It's not a football team it's a cult!  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 24, 2016, 10:46:11 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on February 24, 2016, 10:23:36 AM
It's not a football team it's a cult!  :o

A cult, that made me laugh.
 :P.

Premier League Moonies at the United Reformed Church of the ‘Shrine’, as led by Tony Sun Myung Moon Pulis, a known druid.
 :P.

So if taken as a collective are we a bunch of cults for still watching the Albion?
 :) ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 24, 2016, 11:39:14 AM
Kenwyne Jones the beacon of truth  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 24, 2016, 11:44:38 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 24, 2016, 11:39:14 AM
Kenwyne Jones the beacon of truth  ;D

Been reported by others to I'm afraid that he's tenure at the end turned sour while at stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 24, 2016, 11:57:27 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 24, 2016, 11:39:14 AM
Kenwyne Jones the beacon of truth  ;D

Kenwyne Jones may or may not be the most reliable witness but the are plenty of others who have said similar things down the years, and unfortunately the evidence of what you see on the pitch supports what he says. Whether the players are happy with that rather depends on the player and how it impacts them. Those whose careers have been blighted by Pulisball will be more critical but plenty are just happy to take the money keep their heads down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 24, 2016, 12:40:52 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on February 24, 2016, 12:09:55 AM
What's that got to do with anything? It's wages that matter, time and time again that's been proven.

PLUS, ALL of those clubs are bankrolled by wealthy set ups. Sunderland and Norwich to lesser extents, but the rest are all Billionaire/Hundred millions easy families. FFP allows a private investment, which they all make.
Wages are just as important as transfer fees. If you pay a big fee and a small wage it can be the same as a small fee and a big wage over say 3 years.

My point was that it's bias to only judge West Brom on their summer spending when there's another window and half of a season, it's not fair to only provide one part of the statistic. I know most clubs are richer than us anyway, I'm not disputing that.

I believe in wages we pay roughly mid-table (I.e. 10th highest in the league) which would be similar to our net spend for the entirity of the season, that is the point I am making, that it's unfair to make out we've been the 5th highest spenders of the season when in reality it's more detailed than that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 24, 2016, 01:15:28 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 24, 2016, 11:57:27 AM
Kenwyne Jones may or may not be the most reliable witness but the are plenty of others who have said similar things down the years, and unfortunately the evidence of what you see on the pitch supports what he says. Whether the players are happy with that rather depends on the player and how it impacts them. Those whose careers have been blighted by Pulisball will be more critical but plenty are just happy to take the money keep their heads down.

Shawcross' reply to Jones was spot on: "You’re brave aren’t you, didn’t hear you criticising the boss when he was here."

Footballers sticking the boot into a guy in the media is as cowardly as it gets. 3 months after that interview Jones was shipped out to Cardiff. So much for his rejuvenation.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 24, 2016, 01:39:24 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 24, 2016, 01:15:28 PM
Shawcross' reply to Jones was spot on: "You’re brave aren’t you, didn’t hear you criticising the boss when he was here."

Footballers sticking the boot into a guy in the media is as cowardly as it gets. 3 months after that interview Jones was shipped out to Cardiff. So much for his rejuvenation.
Knowing Pulis as well as you do, what happens to players that challenge his authority  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 24, 2016, 01:45:17 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on February 23, 2016, 03:34:49 PM
I wonder what all this adverse publicity is doing for any potential investors?my overview is that I expect jp to be strong and decisive regarding tp and I think he is already looking for a replacement coach but he won't do anything until were safe.
I expected JP to be strong and decisive after the weekend..but all we had was the usual trite rubbish on the Official Web page..with TP seeming to be able to write his own time line agenda I forecast a pretty dour end of the season with us just hanging on by our finger nails..TP keeping his "never been relegated" and the supporters no wiser as to the direction the club is taking..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 24, 2016, 02:31:51 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 24, 2016, 01:45:17 PM
I expected JP to be strong and decisive after the weekend..but all we had was the usual trite rubbish on the Official Web page..with TP seeming to be able to write his own time line agenda I forecast a pretty dour end of the season with us just hanging on by our finger nails..TP keeping his "never been relegated" and the supporters no wiser as to the direction the club is taking..

I don't think there is any realistic expectation of JP sacking Pulis before the end of the season. Without a very obvious replacement waiting in the wings (I think Moyes & Rodgers are both holding out for better appointments) it would be madness bearing in mind there is no one on the coaching staff who could takeover even on a temporary basis. Grind out the necessary points and evaluate and no Peace is not going to share his thoughts with all and sundry
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 24, 2016, 03:21:41 PM
If you look at the table I don't see many management movements this summer. Apart from us, so else would sack their manager apart from maybe Newcastle if they stay up. And Pulis would be on the market.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on February 24, 2016, 03:24:21 PM
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-Sentinel-fans-forum-verdict-Stoke-s/story-19111607-detail/story.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 24, 2016, 03:40:04 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 24, 2016, 01:45:17 PM
I expected JP to be strong and decisive after the weekend..but all we had was the usual trite rubbish on the Official Web page..with TP seeming to be able to write his own time line agenda I forecast a pretty dour end of the season with us just hanging on by our finger nails..TP keeping his "never been relegated" and the supporters no wiser as to the direction the club is taking..

He was.

Sacking TP right now would be foolish. If you get in a Terry Connor or John Carver then we could still be relegated. By leaving it until the summer Peace can look at more long-time candidates who are less risky.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 24, 2016, 03:45:10 PM
I am not too happy with his defensive set up.
Just look how many back passes we make.
This is just waiting to happen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35649272
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 24, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
Quote from: TAFKATMNo1Fan on February 24, 2016, 10:11:29 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tony-pulis-sacking-stopped-stoke-city-players-walking-out-8846627.html

The most worrying part of that interview is seeing that TP paid £8m for Kenwyne Jones ffs.

His propensity for paying over the odds for pooh has long been established.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on February 24, 2016, 04:03:16 PM
He will 100% keep us up
no point getting rid now and getting a clipboard in to take us down
knee jerk reaction

Ive stopped watching the matches live now- call me fair-weather but it just isn't doing anything for me anymore, and there are better use of my time on saturdays. I am genuinely jealous of some of my mates teams for the first time.

Yes we played dire on megson- but the quality wasn't there. We had a plan to get somewhere and we got there. With pulls he is just taking us backwards
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on February 24, 2016, 04:04:39 PM
Also pulis's coaching methods RE player development worry me. Who went onto to bigger and better things from stoke bar begorvic (a goalie)?
some of the players seem to have regressed in ability
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 24, 2016, 04:44:50 PM
Roy will be available after the euros,

Seriously though, 1 effect of TP bringing in his own crew is that when he goes there is no "club man" waiting in the wings to pick up the reins. (ie, Downing or Pearson)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 24, 2016, 04:48:09 PM
Quote from: Albionic on February 24, 2016, 04:44:50 PM
Roy will be available after the euros,

Seriously though, 1 effect of TP bringing in his own crew is that when he goes there is no "club man" waiting in the wings to pick up the reins. (ie, Downing or Pearson)

Big Dave would get the gig if the Pulis goes mid season I would imagine. If it's close season then there's no need for someone to pick up the reins.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 24, 2016, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 24, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
The most worrying part of that interview is seeing that TP paid £8m for Kenwyne Jones ffs.

His propensity for paying over the odds for pooh has long been established.

As with most managers there are duds with the diamonds.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 24, 2016, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: BB74 on February 24, 2016, 04:48:09 PM
Big Dave would get the gig if the Pulis goes mid season I would imagine. If it's close season then there's no need for someone to pick up the reins.
id imagine James Shan would be lifted from u21 head coach as he has at least some managerial experience and has been around the club a fair few years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 24, 2016, 06:33:50 PM
Quote from: TAFKATMNo1Fan on February 24, 2016, 03:24:21 PM
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-Sentinel-fans-forum-verdict-Stoke-s/story-19111607-detail/story.html
Much of that sounds all too familiar.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 24, 2016, 07:07:59 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 24, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
The most worrying part of that interview is seeing that TP paid £8m for Kenwyne Jones ffs.

His propensity for paying over the odds for pooh has long been established.
It's easy to laugh in hindsight but at the time I remember Jones was rated at easily £8 million teams and many other clubs were after him. His goal record over 100 Premier League games was 1 in 4, which was about right for the fee. Plus he'd played with Pulis before which makes his comments bizarre.

I'm not trying to defend Pulis here but Jones is clearly the problem, he was shipped out quickly by Hughes and the Stoke fans sing the Odemwingie song about Jones. I know Pulis made a few transfer mistakes at his time with Stoke but as I say Jones is just being bitter here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on February 24, 2016, 11:19:42 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 23, 2016, 05:58:27 PM
Hodgson did a great job, unfortunately it still didnt stop a proportion of our fans wanting him out. His style of football was also heavily criticised.
Just speaking of our international manager for a minute, what do people think mIght be his own plans after EURO 2016 ?  Will he have approaches from clubs during the summer ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on February 24, 2016, 11:31:01 PM
Pulis looks like a dead man walking as JP is looking to install again a technical director to in conjunction with head coach will be responsible for identifying players. Didn't Tony get rid of Burton who was in that position before, peace seems to be pulling in the reins on his transfer plan's
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 25, 2016, 12:05:30 AM
Quote from: johnnyg on February 24, 2016, 11:19:42 PM
Just speaking of our international manager for a minute, what do people think mIght be his own plans after EURO 2016 ?  Will he have approaches from clubs during the summer ?
I genuinely think Roy will retire in the summer if he fails as England manager, otherwise I assume he will see out the next world cup and then retire regardless. He's not exactly young and has had a good career. Returning to club level after such a high profile job at his age seems odd.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 25, 2016, 07:13:40 AM
I agree. Roy will call it a day, his career has really peaked and there's no need for him to step back into club management at his age.

This Technical Director could be used to help tip Pulis ovee the edge. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lonions on February 25, 2016, 07:24:33 AM
Me thinks with today's announcement of us looking for a technical director means pulis is going in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 25, 2016, 12:11:44 PM
Just had a browse on a premiership statistics website and have found some very unsurprising results.

Total Passes = 20th
Total Accurate Short Passes = 20th
Average Pass Completion % = 19th
Average Shots per game = 20th
Average Shots on target per game = 20th
Average Shots in the Penalty Area per game = 20th
Average Goals scored per game = 19th (Villa are 20th)
Average Possession % = 20th

I know pro Pulis people will claim the only statistic that matters is the one that says we are 14th, but its clear we are lucky to be in that position and quite frankly the above statistics makes me embarrassed of our league position. Whats the point in staying up if we cant enjoy it?





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 25, 2016, 12:49:42 PM
That's interesting stuff, thanks for digging it out. It's pretty indefensible really, but I'm sure someone will attempt to. Which website did you get the info from please?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 25, 2016, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: lonions on February 25, 2016, 07:24:33 AM
Me thinks with today's announcement of us looking for a technical director means pulis is going in the summer.
After that announcement I think it will be sooner, mcinnes IMO is now almost a shoe in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 25, 2016, 02:23:19 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 25, 2016, 12:11:44 PM
Just had a browse on a premiership statistics website and have found some very unsurprising results.

Total Passes = 20th
Total Accurate Short Passes = 20th
Average Pass Completion % = 19th
Average Shots per game = 20th
Average Shots on target per game = 20th
Average Shots in the Penalty Area per game = 20th
Average Goals scored per game = 19th (Villa are 20th)
Average Possession % = 20th

I know pro Pulis people will claim the only statistic that matters is the one that says we are 14th, but its clear we are lucky to be in that position and quite frankly the above statistics makes me embarrassed of our league position. Whats the point in staying up if we cant enjoy it?

I don't know whether or not the figures are available for his time at Stoke and Palace but I would be t on them being pretty low I know goals per game are and they have always been among the lowest in the division.

 Not even trying to defend his approach but the stats quoted are not measures of effectiveness but ones that measure attacking intent. The fact that we are 14th and his Stoke sides finished in a similar position shows both the strength and the limitations of the approach. Providing a team can keep things tight at the back by putting players behind the ball it will not need to score many goals to pick up enough points to survive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 25, 2016, 02:47:05 PM
How can we be lucky to be 14th?? How can we be lucky to have 32 points...I dont get it?? You dont get to 32 points through pure luck

Surely we have worked hard enough and done enough in games to get too where we are.

Those stats although embarrassing also say that we dont need to pass it 5 million times a game to pretty much get to the same place we probably should be had we passed it around a bit more, having more shots and more passes doesnt necessarily mean we would have accrued more points.

I hate the football, its dire but we are where we are through hard work and not just pure luck
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 25, 2016, 02:49:00 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 25, 2016, 02:47:05 PM
How can we be lucky to be 14th?? How can we be lucky to have 32 points...I dont get it?? You dont get to 32 points through pure luck

Surely we have worked hard enough and done enough in games to get too where we are.

Those stats although embarrassing also say that we dont need to pass it 5 million times a game to pretty much get to the same place we probably should be had we passed it around a bit more, having more shots and more passes doesnt necessarily mean we would have accrued more points.

I hate the football, its dire but we are where we are through hard work and not just pure luck

Whats the old saying?      "its amazing that the harder I work, the luckier I get"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 25, 2016, 03:17:26 PM
Looks like the bandwagon brigade are out (its true what he's saying though) 8)

http://bet.unibet.co.uk/football/premier-league/why-outstanding-manager-tony-pulis-should-never-get-another-premier-league?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 25, 2016, 03:29:27 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 25, 2016, 12:11:44 PM
Total Accurate Short Passes = 20th
Average Pass Completion % = 19th

I know pro Pulis people will claim the only statistic that matters is the one that says we are 14th, but its clear we are lucky to be in that position and quite frankly the above statistics makes me embarrassed of our league position. Whats the point in staying up if we cant enjoy it?

Just to point out that these two have nothing to do with Pulls.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 25, 2016, 03:39:38 PM
Don't agree Scooby, okay, he didn't pass the ball personally, but, he has told them how high, and in what direction to kick a ball.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 25, 2016, 03:42:13 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 25, 2016, 03:39:38 PM
Don't agree Scooby, okay, he didn't pass the ball personally, but, he has told them how high, and in what direction to kick a ball.

Words fail me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 25, 2016, 03:45:12 PM
Why Scooby?

Do words fail you that I think it maybe Pulis' fault that we can't keep possession by a simple short pass? or Pulis can't coach £10k+ per week players to complete a short pass, or is it that he cannot buy players that can complete a short pass accurately? Long passes for that matter accurately?





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 25, 2016, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 25, 2016, 03:45:12 PM
Why Scooby?

Do words fail you that I think it maybe Pulis' fault that we can't keep possession by a simple short pass? or Pulis can't coach 10k+ per week players complete a short pass, or is it that he cannot buy players that cannot complete a short pass?

Premiership players have some obligations to fans and their clubs. The ability to pass a football a short distance to a team mate is a pre-requisite of players who don't get paid let alone those who do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: macc_baggie on February 25, 2016, 03:52:57 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 25, 2016, 03:51:34 PM
Premiership players have some obligations to fans and their clubs. The ability to pass a football a short distance to a team mate is a pre-requisite of players who don't get paid let alone those who do.

Yet if they are encouraged by the coach to not play short passes and by-pass the midfield by playing long balls relatively aimlessly into the channels, then we will inevitably have poor statistics when it comes to short passes compared to the other teams?

To clarify this, as we aim to by pass the midfield, there aren't many options for short passes, meaning the ones available are limited and more likely to be cut out, thus the lower frequency in completion rates. This is compounded by the fact that we tend to employ players who I would describe as functional at best.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 25, 2016, 03:53:43 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 25, 2016, 03:51:34 PM
Premiership players have some obligations to fans and their clubs. The ability to pass a football a short distance to a team mate is a pre-requisite of players who don't get paid let alone those who do.

So he is coaching them wrong then? because the stats say we're bottom mate.

The fact that you said on another post, you would keep the majority of the current players, makes my head spin. So, if it's not the players fault, and not Pulis fault, it must be -------- fault.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 25, 2016, 03:59:39 PM
If we were as bad as our stats suggest we would be bottom or second bottom..we are not

We might not be entertained but the stat that matters at the end of the day is where we are in the league

You dont get points for passing or shots on target
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 25, 2016, 04:03:30 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 25, 2016, 03:59:39 PM
If we were as bad as our stats suggest we would be bottom or second bottom..we are not

We might not be entertained but the stat that matters at the end of the day is where we are in the league

You dont get points for passing or shots on target

And the circle goes round.!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 25, 2016, 04:05:33 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 25, 2016, 02:47:05 PM
How can we be lucky to be 14th?? How can we be lucky to have 32 points...I dont get it?? You dont get to 32 points through pure luck

Surely we have worked hard enough and done enough in games to get too where we are.

Those stats although embarrassing also say that we dont need to pass it 5 million times a game to pretty much get to the same place we probably should be had we passed it around a bit more, having more shots and more passes doesnt necessarily mean we would have accrued more points.

I hate the football, its dire but we are where we are through hard work and not just pure luck

I really do think that TP is a very lucky manager. I can think of many occasions this season where we have had luck on our side yet think of few times where it's gone against us. They say it evens out but seems to be one way for us. There is probably only the Leicester and Bournemouth matches where we have been hard done by with decisions going against us. Almost all of our wins have been a bit streaky.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on February 25, 2016, 04:22:39 PM
I dont like Pulis's football but i dont think you can say this far into the season the points tally is down to luck.

I hate the way we play and wont be disappointed when he leaves (though will be grateful for him steadying us) and i think we could of got to 32 points in a much more positive way but the fact remains however its been done we have got to 32 points and barring some crazy run of results we should pick up enough points to stay up comfortably.

At the end of the season you finish where you deserve to, you may lucky in some games, unlucky in others, but over 38 games your position dont lie, thats why i have never understood when people say our 8th placed finish under Clarke was luck, whatever the circumstances, whoevers team he inherited, he still managed and coached them and table says we were the 8th best team in the league for that season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 25, 2016, 04:30:05 PM
I'm sorry Albion79 but nobody is saying it is only down to luck but you cant just discount luck as a factor in league position.

Luck does not even out over 38 games as its simply not how probability works. You would need thousands and thousands of games to close the variance when you factor in that so often games are decided by incorrect penalty decisions, red cards, offsides and fouls that directly lead to goals.

Also injuries and even hitting the woodwork (like Everton did vs us twice last premiership game) and goals from deflections are highly influenced by luck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 25, 2016, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on February 25, 2016, 04:22:39 PM
I dont like Pulis's football but i dont think you can say this far into the season the points tally is down to luck.

I hate the way we play and wont be disappointed when he leaves (though will be grateful for him steadying us) and i think we could of got to 32 points in a much more positive way but the fact remains however its been done we have got to 32 points and barring some crazy run of results we should pick up enough points to stay up comfortably.

At the end of the season you finish where you deserve to, you may lucky in some games, unlucky in others, but over 38 games your position dont lie, thats why i have never understood when people say our 8th placed finish under Clarke was luck, whatever the circumstances, whoevers team he inherited, he still managed and coached them and table says we were the 8th best team in the league for that season.

Have to agree with the above, but, whilst i respect the fact he can, and more than likely will, keep us on this status quo for however long he is at this football club, I for one don't find it interesting, entertaining or worth my money.

I've said before, Football for me is about pride and passion for your team, not all about the profit margin and a 'not lose at any cost' mentality, as far as I'm concerned you can stick the Premier League up yeah fat kakah, give me fun, something to look forward to every week and entertainment all day long.

Who knows, maybe, just maybe, we could have the best of both worlds under a different chairman, but if not, give me a laugh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 25, 2016, 05:19:51 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on February 25, 2016, 04:22:39 PM
I dont like Pulis's football but i dont think you can say this far into the season the points tally is down to luck.
I don't think anyone has said it's entirely down to luck have they? I posted a brief analysis of all of our victories and defeats the other day and, whilst none of our defeats could be put down to bad luck, 3 of the victories were due to good luck IMO. The draw at Liverpool also springs to mind as a game where luck was very much on our side. Take away some of those lucky points from our total and I don't think there would be too many people extolling the virtues of Pulis at the present time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on February 25, 2016, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 25, 2016, 04:30:05 PM
I'm sorry Albion79 but nobody is saying it is only down to luck but you cant just discount luck as a factor in league position.

Luck does not even out over 38 games as its simply not how probability works. You would need thousands and thousands of games to close the variance when you factor in that so often games are decided by incorrect penalty decisions, red cards, offsides and fouls that directly lead to goals.

Also injuries and even hitting the woodwork (like Everton did vs us twice last premiership game) and goals from deflections are highly influenced by luck.
I'm not sure as I am no expert, but surprisingly small samples can give pretty accurate results and swamp the outliers -for example a properly representative sample of about 2000 is a fair predictor of election results involving millions of votes.  I think that a statistician would probably say that 38 games is probably nearly enough to even out the luck... but not quite, so a 2 or 3 point margin, which could easily be enough to relegate a lot of teams in any give season could easily be down to luck, but probably not a ten point margin.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 25, 2016, 05:55:27 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 25, 2016, 05:19:51 PM
I don't think anyone has said it's entirely down to luck have they? I posted a brief analysis of all of our victories and defeats the other day and, whilst none of our defeats could be put down to bad luck, 3 of the victories were due to good luck IMO. The draw at Liverpool also springs to mind as a game where luck was very much on our side. Take away some of those lucky points from our total and I don't think there would be too many people extolling the virtues of Pulis at the present time.

How was luck on our side for the Liverpool game? They created f all and needed the jammiest of goals in the 97th minute to equalise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 25, 2016, 05:57:52 PM
Quote from: lonions on February 25, 2016, 07:24:33 AM
Me thinks with today's announcement of us looking for a technical director means pulis is going in the summer.

There hasn't been an announcement, it's just speculation from the Daily Telegraph at the moment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 25, 2016, 05:58:39 PM
Have we really got to the point now where we're writing off his season as "luck". The lengths people will go!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 25, 2016, 08:54:35 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 25, 2016, 04:03:30 PM
And the circle goes round.!!

What circle?

I was stating a fact not an opinion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 25, 2016, 09:53:46 PM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on February 25, 2016, 05:55:27 PM
How was luck on our side for the Liverpool game? They created f all and needed the jammiest of goals in the 97th minute to equalise.
Possession: Liverpool 70% Albion 30%
Shots off target: Liverpool 20 Albion 4
Shots on target: Liverpool 8 Albion 2
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 25, 2016, 10:00:32 PM
So it's luck if the other team has more shots now?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 25, 2016, 10:20:50 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 25, 2016, 02:47:05 PM
How can we be lucky to be 14th?? How can we be lucky to have 32 points...I dont get it?? You dont get to 32 points through pure luck
Played against 9 men against Stoke and still only managed to limp to a 1-0 victory.

Home to Arsenal won 2-1, yet only had one shot on target and 27% possession, Cazorla missed a penalty.

Everton away, 24% possession, one shot on goal to their 33, we won 1-0.

Liverpool away 30% possession, 2 shots on target, 2-2.

Sunderland at home, keeper makes an absolute howler, possibly a foul, 2 shots on target, 1-0.

Do you not think those stats suggests that some of our wins/draws have been seriously fortuitous?



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 25, 2016, 10:29:09 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 25, 2016, 10:20:50 PM
Played against 9 men against Stoke and still only managed to limp to a 1-0 victory.

Home to Arsenal won 2-1, yet only had one shot on target and 27% possession, Cazorla missed a penalty.

Everton away, 24% possession, one shot on goal to their 33, we won 1-0.

Liverpool away 30% possession, 2 shots on target, 2-2.

Sunderland at home, keeper makes an absolute howler, possibly a foul, 2 shots on target, 1-0.

Do you not think those stats suggests that some of our wins/draws have been seriously fortuitous?

You can add the keeper howler v Newcastle to that list too.

Too add a bit of balance we were unlucky v Leicester and Bournemouth with some poor refereeing decisions.

We've certainly had a lot more luck on our side than against us this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 25, 2016, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 25, 2016, 10:20:50 PM
Played against 9 men against Stoke and still only managed to limp to a 1-0 victory.

Home to Arsenal won 2-1, yet only had one shot on target and 27% possession, Cazorla missed a penalty.

Everton away, 24% possession, one shot on goal to their 33, we won 1-0.

Liverpool away 30% possession, 2 shots on target, 2-2.

Sunderland at home, keeper makes an absolute howler, possibly a foul, 2 shots on target, 1-0.

Do you not think those stats suggests that some of our wins/draws have been seriously fortuitous?
What these stats might suggest is that our defending is good enough to prevent the opposition from carving out gilt edged chances. They still get shots in but they are from range or are taken when the player is under sufficient pressure so they are forced into snap shots..... or they are shown onto their weaker side etc. No doubt there's an element of luck but it's certainly not all luck. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 25, 2016, 10:47:36 PM
Have took a few days off this thread recently, so thought i'd pop back and see if anything has changed. Nope. The debate rages on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 25, 2016, 10:58:04 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 25, 2016, 09:53:46 PM
Possession: Liverpool 70% Albion 30%
Shots off target: Liverpool 20 Albion 4
Shots on target: Liverpool 8 Albion 2
I'm sorry but I disagree with that, it just shows how stats can be deceptive.
Liverpool's shots were not threatening, even their goal came from 35 yards out with a deflection. Most of their shots were from 25+ yards out and were out of frustration. Their first goal, with all credit was a good move and worked well, but other than that and a chance to Lallana I believe, they did very little.

We did very little too, but at least our chances were genuine, and not ones that only look good on the stats page. Olsson's off-side goal was marginal, whilst Rondon should have scored late on.
It's just pointless looking at stuff like possession. Fair enough, against Everton on another day we could have easily lost, we got lucky and there's no denying that. But against Liverpool it was a different game and performance. We contained them and our fans knew it at the time, it seems to fit the agenda though now by bashing Pulis but it really wasn't a lucky result at all for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 25, 2016, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 25, 2016, 10:20:50 PM
Played against 9 men against Stoke and still only managed to limp to a 1-0 victory.

Home to Arsenal won 2-1, yet only had one shot on target and 27% possession, Cazorla missed a penalty.

Everton away, 24% possession, one shot on goal to their 33, we won 1-0.

Liverpool away 30% possession, 2 shots on target, 2-2.

Sunderland at home, keeper makes an absolute howler, possibly a foul, 2 shots on target, 1-0.

Do you not think those stats suggests that some of our wins/draws have been seriously fortuitous?

If we're going to nit pick...

Against Leicester at home we should have at least had another penalty (Evans, first half) which would have gained us a point.

Against Everton at home Kone was offside for their equaliser, again this would have gained us a point.

Against Bournemouth at home their winner was 5 yards outside the box yet a penalty was given, a terrible deicison where we'd have gotten a point.

Against Watford away, Berahino missed a sitter at the end of the game to win it us, it was easier to score than to miss.

Likewise, against Man Utd away Berahino did the same with a simple header, again he missed.

Again, against West Ham away Rondon had another big chance saved by Adrian late on in the game, which would have turned a draw into a win.

It works both ways.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2016, 11:15:08 PM
He's been lucky for 20 years. Must be that, must be, because he's a horrible man so it must be down to luck.  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 25, 2016, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2016, 11:15:08 PM
He's been lucky for 20 years. Must be that, must be, because he's a horrible man so it must be down to luck.  :-X

Im not sure anyone feels very lucky at the moment.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 25, 2016, 11:55:44 PM
He builds from the back.Not rocket science really.
But then we tried everything else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 26, 2016, 12:29:34 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 25, 2016, 09:53:46 PM
Possession: Liverpool 70% Albion 30%
Shots off target: Liverpool 20 Albion 4
Shots on target: Liverpool 8 Albion 2

That means absolutely nothing. Myhill only had to make one save of note all game. Not luck at all and had we held out it would have been thoroughly deserved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 26, 2016, 12:37:15 AM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on February 26, 2016, 12:29:34 AM
That means absolutely nothing. Myhill only had to make one save of note all game. Not luck at all and had we held out it would have been thoroughly deserved.

No, it's not lucky that we have 32 points.  We happen to be very good at what we do, which is to grind out results though playing a type of football which nobody else wants to emulate!

The debate should not be about whether or not we are lucky, but about whether we can achieve a similar outcome by playing in a different style and with a rebuilt squad designed to play in that different style.

I think that we will increase the risk of being relegated by changing the style and undertaking a major rebuild.  It takes time to completely change the squad and to blend new faces together in a new playing style.

But it's a risk that we simply have to take.  The status quo is neither acceptable nor sustainable.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 26, 2016, 06:56:55 AM
Quote from: macc_baggie on February 25, 2016, 03:52:57 PM
Yet if they are encouraged by the coach to not play short passes and by-pass the midfield by playing long balls relatively aimlessly into the channels, then we will inevitably have poor statistics when it comes to short passes compared to the other teams?

To clarify this, as we aim to by pass the midfield, there aren't many options for short passes, meaning the ones available are limited and more likely to be cut out, thus the lower frequency in completion rates. This is compounded by the fact that we tend to employ players who I would describe as functional at best.

As a percentage of short passes played we're 19th. Irrespective of our style of play, or our tendency to play directly this is poor from our side individually speaking. To choose to make the pass with it not having a great chance of going to a teammate speaks volumes for the ability/intelligence of said players. Naturally it's spun to be TP's fault.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 26, 2016, 07:16:32 AM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 26, 2016, 06:56:55 AM
As a percentage of short passes played we're 19th. Irrespective of our style of play, or our tendency to play directly this is poor from our side individually speaking. To choose to make the pass with it not having a great chance of going to a teammate speaks volumes for the ability/intelligence of said players. Naturally it's spun to be TP's fault.
So this stat isn't anything to do with the players being under instruction from Pulis to lump it forward as quickly as possible to a lone striker who's usually completely isolated?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 07:45:49 AM
his football is not pretty to watch but maybe we should all give him another seasons grace
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 26, 2016, 08:06:58 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 07:45:49 AM
his football is not pretty to watch but maybe we should all give him another seasons grace

If he has another season the football will only get uglier.
Thank him at the end of the season then part the waves.
How many seasons did he have at Stoke?
Never in the top 10 and a brand of football that was industrial throughout his tenure.
If he's here next year he'll only loose more support and the gates will dwindle further
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 08:11:19 AM
but the more i think about it the mess he inherited here
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 26, 2016, 08:27:12 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 08:11:19 AM
but the more i think about it the mess he inherited here
Plus very few Managers have had us in 32 points in the middle of Feb before especially with a squad like this (and yes some down to him).
Its just the general way in how we play that concerns , 10 behind the ball is no enjoyment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 25, 2016, 08:54:35 PM
What circle?

I was stating a fact not an opinion

Your right, the circle I was referring to was the manner in how we have got our points, some people want style, other people don't.

Here's a fact for you, we are absolutely dreadful to watch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 26, 2016, 08:31:02 AM
"The harder I work, the luckier I get" Quote attributed to Gary Player - South African Golfer
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 26, 2016, 08:39:36 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 07:45:49 AM
his football is not pretty to watch but maybe we should all give him another seasons grace

Blimey, you do flip flop a bit, that is not a criticism by the way, my Albion emotions are all over the place as well! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 08:41:10 AM
All 'game' sports have short term luck, either good or bad.

But, I think over a season, it should be about 50/50.

I think so far luck has been on our side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 08:51:15 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 26, 2016, 08:39:36 AM
Blimey, you do flip flop a bit, that is not a criticism by the way, my Albion emotions are all over the place as well! ;) ;D


I was livid after Reading, what an opportunity we had there.The dust settled yesterday :)
I just cant make my mind up if i want to renew with this style and 300 miles round trip though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 26, 2016, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 08:51:15 AM

I was livid after Reading, what an opportunity we had there.The dust settled yesterday :)
I just cant make my mind up if i want to renew with this style and 300 miles round trip though

It's in the blood mate!! Get on that mini bus!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 26, 2016, 09:41:44 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 08:51:15 AM

I was livid after Reading, what an opportunity we had there.The dust settled yesterday :)
I just cant make my mind up if i want to renew with this style and 300 miles round trip though

that's how I was feeling as well Devon, although my round trip isn't quite as long as yours!

 I've decided to renew though...it's an itch I can't help scratching!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 09:45:39 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 08:28:34 AM
Your right, the circle I was referring to was the manner in how we have got our points, some people want style, other people don't.

Here's a fact for you, we are absolutely dreadful to watch.

Then dont go, thats your right as a paying supporter.

Ive said the football is dreadful but people getting embarrassed by stats is infact embarrassing. We are never going to win the league under Pulis or under anyone else, I also dont see us qualifying for Europe through the league or a cup anytime soon purely because there are at least 10 other clubs in this league with much higher budgets who also will want the same prestige of league position or cup win and they can go out and spend money on much better quality to achieve that.

We are where we are in the league on merit not luck, we are closer to the top 8 than the bottom 3 so the stats prove nothing. As ive said before the only stat that really matters at the end of the day is where we finish in the league and as it stands we are bang on midtable which is better than 75% of any other of our Prem seasons.

You want entertaining football we all do, but when people realise that football is becoming less a part of the entertainment business and more a corporate business nowadays you will realise that we are doing ok.

We will have a new manager eventually and when we do and that guy brings entertaining football and we do better than we are now then happy days for all Albion fans, but if the football is great and we are in the relegation zone I would expect all those fans wanting Pulis out for his style to remain behind that manager no matter what and not call for his head because you are being entertained even though the club may be going backwards
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 10:02:48 AM
Quote from: mulliganstired on February 25, 2016, 05:25:30 PM
I'm not sure as I am no expert, but surprisingly small samples can give pretty accurate results and swamp the outliers -for example a properly representative sample of about 2000 is a fair predictor of election results involving millions of votes.  I think that a statistician would probably say that 38 games is probably nearly enough to even out the luck... but not quite, so a 2 or 3 point margin, which could easily be enough to relegate a lot of teams in any give season could easily be down to luck, but probably not a ten point margin.

Opinion polls for Election results is not the same though as its taking a representative population sample and then extrapolating the results to suggest the overall voting patterns. Its very different to flipping a coin 38 times and expecting it to land heads 19 times and tails 19 times which is a closer analogy to what people talk about when they say that the luck evens out in football.

It would be interesting to hear a professionals statisticians estimated margin of error (there must be some studies somewhere that Im too lazy to dig up) but id be surprised if they estimated that the luck element margin was under +/- 4 points a season. Which like you said dosn't sound super high on the face of it, but look how close relegation battles are every single season. So often the gap between survival and relegation is less than a 3 point difference.

Using the Liverpool result as Liverpool having more shots is a very poor example of positive luck though in my opinion. Much better examples are Everton hitting the woodwork twice, and Aston Villa being denied a penalty almost all neutrals agreed should have been a penalty
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 10:12:56 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 26, 2016, 12:37:15 AM
No, it's not lucky that we have 32 points.  We happen to be very good at what we do, which is to grind out results though playing a type of football which nobody else wants to emulate!

The debate should not be about whether or not we are lucky, but about whether we can achieve a similar outcome by playing in a different style and with a rebuilt squad designed to play in that different style.

I think that we will increase the risk of being relegated by changing the style and undertaking a major rebuild.  It takes time to completely change the squad and to blend new faces together in a new playing style.

But it's a risk that we simply have to take.  The status quo is neither acceptable nor sustainable.

Totally agree, the only caveat to that is we don't have to take the risk right now.  You could argue we could do it in the summer but that would depend on who we brought in.  I'd rather see us where Stoke got to, steady midtable (maybe pulling the trigger earlier if we show no sign of switching playing style), so even if we switch managers we're not likely to drop out of the league barring a disastrous appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 26, 2016, 10:25:01 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 08:51:15 AM

I was livid after Reading, what an opportunity we had there.The dust settled yesterday :)
I just cant make my mind up if i want to renew with this style and 300 miles round trip though

I have booked tickets and hotel for the Norwich game, I was as gutted as anyone, but perspective can be tricky at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 10:02:48 AM
Opinion polls for Election results is not the same though as its taking a representative population sample and then extrapolating the results to suggest the overall voting patterns. Its very different to flipping a coin 38 times and expecting it to land heads 19 times and tails 19 times which is a closer analogy to what people talk about when they say that the luck evens out in football.

It would be interesting to hear a professionals statisticians estimated margin of error (there must be some studies somewhere that Im too lazy to dig up) but id be surprised if they estimated that the luck element margin was under +/- 4 points a season. Which like you said dosn't sound super high on the face of it, but look how close relegation battles are every single season. So often the gap between survival and relegation is less than a 3 point difference.

Using the Liverpool result as Liverpool having more shots is a very poor example of positive luck though in my opinion. Much better examples are Everton hitting the woodwork twice, and Aston Villa being denied a penalty almost all neutrals agreed should have been a penalty

There's no such thing as luck.  Luck is just an opinion assigned to a set of results. 
Is hitting the post lucky or unlucky?  Depends which team you support doesn't it?  But how can one factual event then be classed as both? 

Hitting the post isn't even classed as a shot on target but is that considered a better attempt at the goal than a scuffed shot that dribbles through to the keeper to pick up?  Or what about a shot that whistles just wide?  There's nothing lucky about that chance but again, it's considered worse than an easy save.

When people say luck evens out they just mean that sometimes you get the decision, sometimes you don't.  We could say we were unlucky to draw against Liverpool due to the nature of the equaliser, some consider it a lucky win.

All this talk of luck is just demeaning to the players who work their socks off to restrict the opposition to clear cut chances.  Most teams would trade 15 speculative long range efforts for one or two clear goal scoring chances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 10:29:41 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 09:45:39 AM
You want entertaining football we all do, but when people realise that football is becoming less a part of the entertainment business and more a corporate business nowadays you will realise that we are doing ok.

We will have a new manager eventually and when we do and that guy brings entertaining football and we do better than we are now then happy days for all Albion fans, but if the football is great and we are in the relegation zone I would expect all those fans wanting Pulis out for his style to remain behind that manager no matter what and not call for his head because you are being entertained even though the club may be going backwards

Couldn't agree more.  I think the key thing is that, despite what some are saying, we would all love to see us playing attractive football.  If we could switch right now and guarantee 17th I'd do it.  The fear is that the squad isn't quite good enough for us to do that and I think we need to cut our cloth accordingly.  The financial pressure to stay in the league is immense.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 10:52:59 AM
I am willing to give him another season but my only worries are he fritters money, i am not sure i would trust him with a war chest
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 26, 2016, 11:10:07 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 25, 2016, 12:11:44 PM
Just had a browse on a premiership statistics website and have found some very unsurprising results.

Total Passes = 20th
Total Accurate Short Passes = 20th
Average Pass Completion % = 19th
Average Shots per game = 20th
Average Shots on target per game = 20th
Average Shots in the Penalty Area per game = 20th
Average Goals scored per game = 19th (Villa are 20th)
Average Possession % = 20th

I know pro Pulis people will claim the only statistic that matters is the one that says we are 14th, but its clear we are lucky to be in that position and quite frankly the above statistics makes me embarrassed of our league position. Whats the point in staying up if we cant enjoy it?
These stats delineate the Pulis style very clearly. It's also clear that the Pulis/Allardyce method is not the only way in which teams can keep themselves in the Prem. So, I have 2 questions for those who continue to defend Pulis come hell or high water:

1. When more attacking styles (no-one's saying we should go gung-ho) can be equally, and arguably moreso, successful that the Pulis way, why do you want to put up with what he brings to the table?

2. Why do you believe that he will ever change his philosophy will ever change, when Stoke played exactly the same way the entire time he was there, despite having millions to spend on players?

We should be saying "thank you and goodnight" to Pulis and getting someone else in who can acheive the same, and hopefully more, by emulating Leicester's style of play. The mind-numbingness of the Pulis style has to go and he's been proven over the years of being incapable of changing it, so let's get someone else in who will breathe new life into our currently stagnant pond.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 10:52:59 AM
I am willing to give him another season but my only worries are he fritters money, i am not sure i would trust him with a war chest

That's always a valid concern no matter who comes in.  Considering what we can afford to spend we need to see improvements to the first team and quickly.  I was disappointed to learn that we wouldn't spend £7m on Antonio from Forest, that seems like a decent price to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 26, 2016, 11:10:07 AM
These stats delineate the Pulis style very clearly. It's also clear that the Pulis/Allardyce method is not the only way in which teams can keep themselves in the Prem. So, I have 2 questions for those who continue to defend Pulis come hell or high water:
It's not about defending Pulis come hell or high water.  For me it's about acknowledging where we were 18 months ago to where we know and is that progress acceptable.  For me it is, I'll trade of a season of two of attractive football for mid table stability.

Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 26, 2016, 11:10:07 AM
1. When more attacking styles (no-one's saying we should go gung-ho) can be equally, and arguably moreso, successful that the Pulis way, why do you want to put up with what he brings to the table?
Because what we currently have is enough to see Premiership survival this year.  Going to a more attacking method may not.  We simply don't know and having seen some of our player's lack of pace and ability to pass the ball I see nothing to make me think we can play a more expansive game currently.

Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 26, 2016, 11:10:07 AM
2. Why do you believe that he will ever change his philosophy will ever change, when Stoke played exactly the same way the entire time he was there, despite having millions to spend on players?
Maybe he will, maybe he won't.  Again, we don't know.  We know he wanted Antonio and Phillips, not exactly the typical hoof it players.  I think we deserve to give him more time than he has currently had to see if he will change things.

Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 26, 2016, 11:10:07 AM
We should be saying "thank you and goodnight" to Pulis and getting someone else in who can acheive the same, and hopefully more, by emulating Leicester's style of play. The mind-numbingness of the Pulis style has to go and he's been proven over the years of being incapable of changing it, so let's get someone else in who will breathe new life into our currently stagnant pond.
Emulating the team who plays more long balls than us?  And the team who looked dead cert to get relegated until an absolutely amazing set of results.  It'd be like Villa going on a run and staying up now and you saying that we should look to emulate Villa.  Do you genuinely think Leicester have cracked football and are now a top 4 team?  Or are they having a hell of a season?  Again, I don't know but I certainly wouldn't bet against us finishing higher than them next season.  Using Leicester as a benchmark as a method of playing seems absolutely crazy.  You may as well say let's emulate Barcelona.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 26, 2016, 11:30:08 AM
I'd give Pulis a new contract, let him build something here instead of changing managers all the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 11:31:29 AM
Can't believe anyone wants to give him another season...No chance JP is going to fund anymore of his signings and any that he ships out will fetch peanuts.. (excepting SB...although unless there is a miraculous turn around in form I can't see him fetching much more than 10 Mil at a push)...he is what he is and isn't going to change..JP should be looking now so when the season ends we have someone ready to start..and wouldn't it be nice to find someone that can coach players instead of buying all the time...surely the academy should be producing more first team players (for us) than they currently do..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 26, 2016, 11:32:47 AM
don't think i've ever been less proud to be an Albion supporter. At least when we were pooh (1986-2002) we could have a good laugh at ourselves. Now there's no enjoyment. i normally try and go a couple of times a year, but no chance i'll be going whilst TP is manager.

nothing against the guy. he's got a good record as a manager, sticks to a formula which works for him. he is brilliant at keeping clubs up. but i think we are a bit better than that, we've been in the prem now for 6 years.

i pity everyone who goes every week. the sooner he's gone the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 11:34:48 AM
You can say that about every academy though, most clubs only have 1 or 2 that break through, if that.  We lost out on Izzy to Chelsea, not much we can do about that.  We are doing a decent job with academy players though, they're definitely going on to play professional football.  The days of doing a Man Utd and bringing through a clutch of top rated players are long gone now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 26, 2016, 11:35:07 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 25, 2016, 12:11:44 PM
Just had a browse on a premiership statistics website and have found some very unsurprising results.

Total Passes = 20th
Total Accurate Short Passes = 20th
Average Pass Completion % = 19th
Average Shots per game = 20th
Average Shots on target per game = 20th
Average Shots in the Penalty Area per game = 20th
Average Goals scored per game = 19th (Villa are 20th)
Average Possession % = 20th

I know pro Pulis people will claim the only statistic that matters is the one that says we are 14th, but its clear we are lucky to be in that position and quite frankly the above statistics makes me embarrassed of our league position. Whats the point in staying up if we cant enjoy it?


Can you provide a link to the website please?
Positions in a table don't mean anything to me, I'd like to see how far we are adrift of the "top performers" by numbers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on February 26, 2016, 11:32:47 AM
nothing against the guy. he's got a good record as a manager, sticks to a formula which works for him. he is brilliant at keeping clubs up. but i think we are a bit better than that, we've been in the prem now for 6 years.
But 6 years means nothing.  How long have Villa been in the Prem for?  Newcastle when they went down?  Just because we've been there for 6 years doesn't mean we've pushed on constantly for those 6 years.  We've gone backwards since Hodgson and Ashworth left and we've only just stopped the slide.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 26, 2016, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 11:36:13 AM
But 6 years means nothing.  How long have Villa been in the Prem for?  Newcastle when they went down?  Just because we've been there for 6 years doesn't mean we've pushed on constantly for those 6 years.  We've gone backwards since Hodgson and Ashworth left and we've only just stopped the slide.

i'd rather us take our chances with a new manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 11:41:01 AM
United Played 3 academy players last night with another on the bench and according to PS their new academy coach they have 5 more that WILL get a game this season...maybe they won't all make it at United but they do get first team games. Our Academy was supposed to be the envy of all others a couple of years ago and setting a bench mark for all teams to follow..!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 11:43:01 AM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 11:41:01 AM
United Played 3 academy players last night with another on the bench and according to PS their new academy coach they have 5 more that WILL get a game this season...maybe they won't all make it at United but they do get first team games. Our Academy was supposed to be the envy of all others a couple of years ago and setting a bench mark for all teams to follow..!
I live in Manchester, if it wasn't for a raft of injuries none of those players were going to get near the first team last night.  It's one (of many) complaints aimed at Van Gaal up here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 26, 2016, 11:47:33 AM
The thing is if we finish strong this season and get in the top 10 I could see a lot of opinions changing regarding keeping Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 11:52:21 AM
Probably right..but the difference is they did get a game and all played as if they were regulars..unlike TP who would rather play injured players (GMAC/Evans)..rather than give them a chance..Rashford ,Poole and Riley looked like they had been playing all season..Love on the bench snd Borthwick -Jackson injured...5 academy players..oh I wish..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 11:55:25 AM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 11:41:01 AM
United Played 3 academy players last night with another on the bench and according to PS their new academy coach they have 5 more that WILL get a game this season...maybe they won't all make it at United but they do get first team games. Our Academy was supposed to be the envy of all others a couple of years ago and setting a bench mark for all teams to follow..!
Then Liverpool and Chelsea came along and stole the players we would have developed for the 1st team....so whats your point? Are you saying all 11 players should be making the 1st team and if they dont its Pulis's fault because he doesnt blood youngsters?

Man Utd have a history of bringing through youngsters...class of '92...not every one of those players will be a player that stays at Man Utd i can assure you, they will end up elsewhere, they bring through players every year that are rated but they still spend 30/40 million on other youngsters whilst those they developed end up at places like Hull, Bolton and Burnley

I would like to see us bloody more youngsters, but the competitions that clubs like Utd or Arsenal blood them in usually are the League Cup games, are we now advocating that we blood our youngsters in these competitions and not take them seriously because thats one of the things people are moaning about us for not taking seriously..

Perhaps the majority of these youngsters are not ready...ever thought of that....

Next season I believe we will see Leko and Roberts making in-roads to the 1st team, but if they are any good they will instantly be snatched
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 11:59:19 AM
No everything is just perfect and tickets boo...we will just keep going along as we are shall we...maybe if these youngsters did get a chance and played more first team games..then maybe if we are to be a selling club we would get more for them than the likes of Oxford..Chesterfield and the like pay...if you want to see how to run an academy properly and coach youngsters and give them their chance ..then look at Southampton !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 11:52:21 AM
Probably right..but the difference is they did get a game and all played as if they were regulars..unlike TP who would rather play injured players (GMAC/Evans)..rather than give them a chance..Rashford ,Poole and Riley looked like they had been playing all season..Love on the bench snd Borthwick -Jackson injured...5 academy players..oh I wish..
But they only got a game through a huge list of injuries otherwise you'd have never heard of them apart from filling the bench on a few League Cup nights.  How many of those do you think will be regulars for Man Utd next year? 

There's a lot of ex-Man utd youngster dotted around the leagues.  A youth policy is a success if these kids go on to play professional football - it shouldn't be considered a failure because the players don't go on to start in our Premiership side.  Some will make it to professional football standard, one or two might even make it to Premiership standard, but most will drop out of the system.  And even the ones who look promising stand a very good chance of being poached away.  Seems harsh to blame Pulis for this as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:06:07 PM
Pulis has the final say as to who plays ..are you saying that after some of the performances we have seen this year playing some of the U21's (not talking about 5 or 6 every hame!!!)would have been any worse...having watched Lamberts efforts I would have played Roofe and Nabi over him every time..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:06:48 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 11:59:19 AM
No everything is just perfect and tickets boo...we will just keep going along as we are shall we...maybe if these youngsters did get a chance and played more first team games..then maybe if we are to be a selling club we would get more for them than the likes of Oxford..Chesterfield and the like pay...if you want to see how to run an academy properly and coach youngsters and give them their chance ..then look at Southampton !!
Nobody is saying everything is perfect but if the youngsters aren't good enough to play in the Premiership then it's very risky to try blooding them in that competition.  If we play them in the cups then we're accused of not taking the cups seriously. 

You mention Southampton but their academy is the exception that proves the rule.  What about ALL of the other clubs?  And do you think Southampton's academy success is down to their manager or the head of the academy system?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:08:00 PM
Also looking at Rashford and Riley I would say that they will be playing many more games this season..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 12:11:00 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 11:19:29 AM
Do you genuinely think Leicester have cracked football and are now a top 4 team?  Or are they having a hell of a season?  Again, I don't know but I certainly wouldn't bet against us finishing higher than them next season.  Using Leicester as a benchmark as a method of playing seems absolutely crazy.  You may as well say let's emulate Barcelona.

You said earlier today luck dosnt exist so by your reckoning Leicester are a top 4 team  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 12:11:41 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 11:59:19 AM
No everything is just perfect and tickets boo...we will just keep going along as we are shall we...maybe if these youngsters did get a chance and played more first team games..then maybe if we are to be a selling club we would get more for them than the likes of Oxford..Chesterfield and the like pay...if you want to see how to run an academy properly and coach youngsters and give them their chance ..then look at Southampton !!

Great comeback....well thought out.

The fact that Oxford and Chesterfield are the type of clubs they goto means Pulis is right not to play them in the first team

Southampton are the exception to the rule, you tell me another club other than them that really bloods youngsters and i not talking about Man Utd last night with an injury crisis (how many games before had they played) but another Premier league club and certainly one midtable and lower that is blooding youngsters.....

Ill await a reply that answers that but im not holding my breath
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:12:06 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:06:07 PM
Pulis has the final say as to who plays ..are you saying that after some of the performances we have seen this year playing some of the U21's (not talking about 5 or 6 every hame!!!)would have been any worse...having watched Lamberts efforts I would have played Roofe and Nabi over him every time..
Who knows?  Do you think we have enough points on the board to be risking what few we have by playing youngsters?  If they're good enough they'll get a game, Roofe was so good only Oxford was interested.  Nabi has made 2 appearances for Posh.  I understand your point but I think it's a bit dreamy to assume that kids are the answer to our problems.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 26, 2016, 12:13:00 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on February 25, 2016, 05:25:30 PM
I'm not sure as I am no expert, but surprisingly small samples can give pretty accurate results and swamp the outliers -for example a properly representative sample of about 2000 is a fair predictor of election results involving millions of votes.  I think that a statistician would probably say that 38 games is probably nearly enough to even out the luck... but not quite, so a 2 or 3 point margin, which could easily be enough to relegate a lot of teams in any give season could easily be down to luck, but probably not a ten point margin.

A capability study (commonly used in manufacturing to establish variation in parts per million) can be based on as few as 50 samples with a high degree of confidence, so yes small samples sizes can predict outcomes, larger sample sizes naturally improve "accuracy" though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 12:11:00 PM
You said earlier today luck dosnt exist so by your reckoning Leicester are a top 4 team  :P

He hasnt said they are lucky, no one has, they are there on merit. They are having a hell of a season whether they can reproduce that form next season is another matter
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 26, 2016, 11:35:07 AM

Can you provide a link to the website please?
Positions in a table don't mean anything to me, I'd like to see how far we are adrift of the "top performers" by numbers.

Sure i'll direct message you the source very shortly  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 12:11:00 PM
You said earlier today luck dosnt exist so by your reckoning Leicester are a top 4 team  :P
:D  I don't think Leicester have been lucky, but I certainly don't think they've cracked the top 4 and I doubt anyone expects them to be thereabouts again next year.  It's a great success story, and one pretty much all but a few teams in the Prem will look upon with a tinge of jealousy but I think we're kidding ourselves if we think they truly are top 4 and here to stay.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:14:19 PM
Southampton definitely. .read their website and see how much interest koeman takes in their academy games...all of their younger lads play an integral part with the first team.training and coaching...they make no bones about the fact that they need to sell at top prices to fund their club..so their lads are brought on much quicker and given Premier League games as soon as possible..no point scoring buckets of goals for the U21's if you don't get the chance to show what you can do at a higher level..Nabi went to India played under RC and by all accounts did really well..came back and scored for the U21's and was then shipped out to Peterborough for an undisclosed fee..what was the point ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:14:19 PM
Southampton definitely. .read their website and see how much interest koeman takes in their academy games...all of their younger lads play an integral part with the first team.training and coaching...they make no bones about the fact that they need to sell at top prices to fund their club..so their lads are brought on much quicker and given Premier League games as soon as possible..no point scoring buckets of goals for the U21's if you don't get the chance to show what you can do at a higher level..Nabi went to India played under RC and by all accounts did really well..came back and scored for the U21's and was then shipped out to Peterborough for an undisclosed fee..what was the point ?

But at Southampton it's Hale and now Crocker who oversees it all, they're the ones you should be saying we should go out and bring to the club.  It's not Koeman who is bringing the players through from a young age. 

Nabi scored 3 in 11 appearances in the Indian League.  If we signed someone with that record do you think the fans would think "hold on, we've got a gem on our hands here".  And he came back and signed for Peterborough and since then he's played in 2 games, starting once.  If he's not good enough to get into their first team what makes you think he's good enough to be a regular in the Prem? (FA Cup performance excluded).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:14:19 PM
Southampton definitely. .read their website and see how much interest koeman takes in their academy games...all of their younger lads play an integral part with the first team.training and coaching...they make no bones about the fact that they need to sell at top prices to fund their club..so their lads are brought on much quicker and given Premier League games as soon as possible..no point scoring buckets of goals for the U21's if you don't get the chance to show what you can do at a higher level..Nabi went to India played under RC and by all accounts did really well..came back and scored for the U21's and was then shipped out to Peterborough for an undisclosed fee..what was the point ?

Tell me another club....you have named 1 who are the exception to the rule. Southampton have been producing for years and what happened with them, they had Walcott, Bale and Chambers all pinched by bigger clubs apart from Chambers the fees were not huge....do you think Southampton fans were questioning why they were bringing through youngsters back then only too have them snatched?? I know a couple and they webre!

How many youngsters are clubs like Chelsea blooding even though they are snatching the best of the rests academy products.

Its not exclusive to Albion 95-99% of Premier league clubs dont blood their youngsters
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:20:11 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 12:11:41 PM
Great comeback....well thought out.

The fact that Oxford and Chesterfield are the type of clubs they goto means Pulis is right not to play them in the first team

Southampton are the exception to the rule, you tell me another club other than them that really bloods youngsters and i not talking about Man Utd last night with an injury crisis (how many games before had they played) but another Premier league club and certainly one midtable and lower that is blooding youngsters.....

Ill await a reply that answers that but im not holding my breath
..I was debating the merits of U21's playing in the first team..are you saying that journeymen like Lambert are the answer...who cares if Southampton are a one off..are you saying that we should plough on as we are and not dare to try and follow what they are doing ?..young players are not the answer ..good coaching and tactics are..so we are lacking in all elements this year !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:20:11 PM
..I was debating the merits of U21's playing in the first team..are you saying that journeymen like Lambert are the answer...who cares if Southampton are a one off..are you saying that we should plough on as we are and not dare to try and follow what they are doing ?..young players are not the answer ..good coaching and tactics are..so we are lacking in all elements this year !

Where have I said journeymen are the answer?

We should be investing in good players whether they are from the academy or another club...

Every club in the league should be following Southamptons lead personally...but they dont

And you care about Southampton you keep mentioning them in every post
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:20:11 PM
..I was debating the merits of U21's playing in the first team..are you saying that journeymen like Lambert are the answer...who cares if Southampton are a one off..are you saying that we should plough on as we are and not dare to try and follow what they are doing ?..young players are not the answer ..good coaching and tactics are..so we are lacking in all elements this year !
Nobody is saying just carry on doing what we're doing but I don't think it's as easy as you're making out to bring youth players into the first team.  You keep using Lambert who is obviously past it but he's only played a handful of games for us and a very specific role at that.

But we play Berahino, one of the brightest youth players around (allegedly), are you expecting 2 or 3 of those a season to come through?  It takes time and money.  Look at Alli at Spurs, he's come through at 19, but they had to pay £5m to get him from his actual youth club and now Spurs get all the credit.  And you know Southampton's U21's are heading towards relegation?

Can you imagine this place if we paid £5m for an 18 year old and they didn't quite make the grade?  It would be mayhem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 26, 2016, 12:25:31 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:02:49 PM
But they only got a game through a huge list of injuries otherwise you'd have never heard of them apart from filling the bench on a few League Cup nights.  How many of those do you think will be regulars for Man Utd next year? 

There's a lot of ex-Man utd youngster dotted around the leagues.  A youth policy is a success if these kids go on to play professional football - it shouldn't be considered a failure because the players don't go on to start in our Premiership side.  Some will make it to professional football standard, one or two might even make it to Premiership standard, but most will drop out of the system.  And even the ones who look promising stand a very good chance of being poached away.  Seems harsh to blame Pulis for this as well.
I know someone who is ITK and it is common knowledge that TP doesn't like the way the under 21's have been playing under James Shan.
 And he  said that James Shan doesn't see any long term future at West Brom under pulis think he has even been for a interview at Man City.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on February 26, 2016, 12:25:31 PM
I know someone who is ITK and it is common knowledge that TP doesn't like the way the under 21's have been playing under James Shan.
 And he  said that James Shan doesn't see any long term future at West Brom under pulis think he has even been for a interview at Man City.

Sorry, but colour me dubious. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 12:29:11 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:24:57 PM
Nobody is saying just carry on doing what we're doing but I don't think it's as easy as you're making out to bring youth players into the first team.  You keep using Lambert who is obviously past it but he's only played a handful of games for us and a very specific role at that.

But we play Berahino, one of the brightest youth players around (allegedly), are you expecting 2 or 3 of those a season to come through?  It takes time and money.  Look at Alli at Spurs, he's come through at 19, but they had to pay £5m to get him from his actual youth club and now Spurs get all the credit.  And you know Southampton's U21's are heading towards relegation?

Can you imagine this place if we paid £5m for an 18 year old and they didn't quite make the grade?  It would be mayhem.

Its not easy and someone using Southampton and Lambert as the only argument is embarrassing, especially when you know how Southamptons u21's are doing this season....shows a lack of knowledge for me, and a slight bit of ignorance

But football is all about opinions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:31:30 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 12:19:48 PM
Tell me another club....you have named 1 who are the exception to the rule. Southampton have been producing for years and what happened with them, they had Walcott, Bale and Chambers all pinched by bigger clubs apart from Chambers the fees were not huge....do you think Southampton fans were questioning why they were bringing through youngsters back then only too have them snatched?? I know a couple and they webre!

How many youngsters are clubs like Chelsea blooding even though they are snatching the best of the rests academy products.

Its not exclusive to Albion 95-99% of Premier league clubs dont blood their youngsters
Luke Shaw 27 million
Calm Chambers 16 million
Gareth Bale (2007) 7 million plus 10 sell on = 9 million =16 million
Walcott (2006) 5 million rising to 11 million
Oxlade Chamberlain 12 million rising to 15 million
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:34:03 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on February 26, 2016, 12:25:31 PM
I know someone who is ITK and it is common knowledge that TP doesn't like the way the under 21's have been playing under James Shan.
 And he  said that James Shan doesn't see any long term future at West Brom under pulis think he has even been for a interview at Man City.
Wouldn't blame Shan for jumping ship..his U21's are like a breath of fresh air..he has no chance of progressing players into the first team while we have a dinosaur as a manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:34:30 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 12:29:11 PM
Its not easy and someone using Southampton and Lambert as the only argument is embarrassing, especially when you know how Southamptons u21's are doing this season....shows a lack of knowledge for me, and a slight bit of ignorance

But football is all about opinions

I think it's a fair enough point, I'd like to see us play the youngsters more but I don't think it's the answer to our problems, certainly not with fan's attitude to the cups and that we need to take them seriously. 

I think youth players coming through to be a regular for a Prem team are quite rare in reality.  When we've success they've got poached and when we manage to get Berahino through, he turns out to be a little pooh.  Hopefully we'll at least make some decent cash out of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 12:29:11 PM
Its not easy and someone using Southampton and Lambert as the only argument is embarrassing, especially when you know how Southamptons u21's are doing this season....shows a lack of knowledge for me, and a slight bit of ignorance

But football is all about opinions
So once again you make it personal....just because you have 20000000 posts doesn't make your opinion any more valid than mine..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 26, 2016, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 12:13:15 PM
Sure i'll direct message you the source very shortly  :)

Please post the link on the forum, anything taken from elsewhere should be linked either directly or by stating where it is from. To be honest your post without a link should have been removed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:31:30 PM
Luke Shaw 27 million
Calm Chambers 16 million
Gareth Bale (2007) 7 million plus 10 sell on = 9 million =16 million
Walcott (2006) 5 million rising to 11 million
Oxlade Chamberlain 12 million rising to 15 million

So you're going back nearly 10 years?  How many players in that time didn't make it to Premiership sides?  And if this was down to the manager, Southampton have had several in that period.  I don't get your point, Southampton have done well in the past but to say "we just do what they do" is missing the point - EVERY academy is trying to do what they do and even Southampton are struggling to do what they do now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:44:47 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:39:33 PM
So you're going back nearly 10 years?  How many players in that time didn't make it to Premiership sides?  And if this was down to the manager, Southampton have had several in that period.  I don't get your point, Southampton have done well in the past but to say "we just do what they do" is missing the point - EVERY academy is trying to do what they do and even Southampton are struggling to do what they do now.
My intention was to try and draw some conclusions as to why our U21's don't make the grade. We have spent over £25 million pounds on 3 strikers..£8 million pounds on a defender and another £8 million pounds on 2 wide men...surely if we continue to spend this money on players who atm do not appear up to Premiership standard should we not be looking to progress the academy further...?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:50:25 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:39:33 PM
So you're going back nearly 10 years?  How many players in that time didn't make it to Premiership sides?  And if this was down to the manager, Southampton have had several in that period.  I don't get your point, Southampton have done well in the past but to say "we just do what they do" is missing the point - EVERY academy is trying to do what they do and even Southampton are struggling to do what they do now.
No I was just asked who they had brought through their academy and was told they didn't fetch much money...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:51:12 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:44:47 PM
My intention was to try and draw some conclusions as to why our U21's don't make the grade. We have spent over £25 million pounds on 3 strikers..£8 million pounds on a defender and another £8 million pounds on 2 wide men...surely if we continue to spend this money on players who atm do not appear up to Premiership standard should we not be looking to progress the academy further...?
But what conclusion have you drawn apart from "Southampton over the last 10 years have produced a few good players".  It's not impossible to produce decent players, we have Berahino that's sort of a hole in your criticism really.  We've had Izzy poached, Dhanda and Sinclair before that.  Maybe we would have had more success stories if the entire youth system isn't designed to help the top 5 or 6 clubs.

If you think it's hard to buy players of Premiership quality on the budget we have, imagine how difficult it is to spot them when they're 7 years old, train them up, and then hope they don't get their head turned by Liverpool or Chelsea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 12:52:56 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:50:25 PM
No I was just asked who they had brought through their academy and was told they didn't fetch much money...
Well, no, he said name another club rather than relying on Southampton.

The things is, if it's as easy as "let's play like Leicester, we'll be top 4" and "let's have a youth system like Southampton, we won't have to sign players", then every other team would be doing it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 26, 2016, 12:58:05 PM
Adil Nabi can't get in the Peterborough team.

Despite an eye catching performance, Kemar Roofe didn't get a move away from Oxford.

Why should these players get a chance in our first team?

Jerome Sinclair, Izzy Brown and Yan Dhanda would almost certainly have followed Saido Berahino into the first team squad...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 26, 2016, 12:37:48 PM
Please post the link on the forum, anything taken from elsewhere should be linked either directly or by stating where it is from. To be honest your post without a link should have been removed.

I apologise. I didnt post the link as previously posts withs links on have been removed.

The statistics in question and many more can be found here

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/5826/Stages/12496/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2015-2016
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 26, 2016, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 01:00:04 PM
I apologie. I didnt post the link as previously posts withs links on have been removed.

The statistics in question and many more can be found here

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/5826/Stages/12496/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2015-2016

Only links that get removed are for personal websites without permission used for advertising/ promoting purposes links to sites like this are fine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 01:04:32 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 26, 2016, 12:58:05 PM
Adil Nabi can't get in the Peterborough team.

Despite an eye catching performance, Kemar Roofe didn't get a move away from Oxford.

Why should these players get a chance in our first team?

Jerome Sinclair, Izzy Brown and Yan Dhanda would almost certainly have followed Saido Berahino into the first team squad...
Why shouldn't they get a chance ?...how do we find out if they are good enough or not ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 01:04:32 PM
Why shouldn't they get a chance ?...how do we find out if they are good enough or not ?
We did find out, they weren't. What makes you think we were wrong?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 01:06:09 PM
We did find out, they weren't. What makes you think we were wrong?
We went out and bought Lambert for one !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 09:45:39 AM
Then dont go, thats your right as a paying supporter.

Ive said the football is dreadful but people getting embarrassed by stats is infact embarrassing. We are never going to win the league under Pulis or under anyone else, I also dont see us qualifying for Europe through the league or a cup anytime soon purely because there are at least 10 other clubs in this league with much higher budgets who also will want the same prestige of league position or cup win and they can go out and spend money on much better quality to achieve that.

We are where we are in the league on merit not luck, we are closer to the top 8 than the bottom 3 so the stats prove nothing. As ive said before the only stat that really matters at the end of the day is where we finish in the league and as it stands we are bang on midtable which is better than 75% of any other of our Prem seasons.

You want entertaining football we all do, but when people realise that football is becoming less a part of the entertainment business and more a corporate business nowadays you will realise that we are doing ok.

We will have a new manager eventually and when we do and that guy brings entertaining football and we do better than we are now then happy days for all Albion fans, but if the football is great and we are in the relegation zone I would expect all those fans wanting Pulis out for his style to remain behind that manager no matter what and not call for his head because you are being entertained even though the club may be going backwards

I don't go, but thanks for letting me know I didn't have to.

I suppose that makes me inferior.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on February 26, 2016, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 26, 2016, 12:58:05 PM
Adil Nabi can't get in the Peterborough team.

Despite an eye catching performance, Kemar Roofe didn't get a move away from Oxford.

Why should these players get a chance in our first team?

Jerome Sinclair, Izzy Brown and Yan Dhanda would almost certainly have followed Saido Berahino into the first team squad...


Yeah but would they have if Pulis was the manager, how many young players at Stoke did he attempt to bring through from the youth system into the first team ?
As I'm sure people point out all the time we've got one of the most highly regarded youth set ups in the country yet we've only brought through Berahino. You've got Southampton, Liverpool, West Ham even Man City to name a few, all throwing in youth players into the cup competitions this year. How many did we bring onto the pitch, no point leaving them on the bench ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 01:12:11 PM
Quote from: collins101 on February 26, 2016, 01:09:18 PM

Yeah but would they have if Pulis was the manager, how many young players at Stoke did he attempt to bring through from the youth system into the first team ?
As I'm sure people point out all the time we've got one of the most highly regarded youth set ups in the country yet we've only brought through Berahino. You've got Southampton, Liverpool, West Ham even Man City to name a few, all throwing in youth players into the cup competitions this year. How many did we bring onto the pitch, no point leaving them on the bench ?
You can't hang Pulis for something he hasn't done.  Who knows if he'd have played Izzy etc?  And I've no idea what Stoke's youth system is like, how many have come through there before and after Pulis?

Our fans were screaming for us to take the cup seriously, that means NOT playing youth\back up players. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 01:19:41 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 01:06:53 PM
We went out and bought Lambert for one !!
Go back to the Lambert thread and read the comments, most thought he'd be a good signing, especially for the money paid, and would be a good player to have alongside Berahino.  I thought the same - but he turned out not to be.  These things happen.  Hardly evidence that our youth system is in tatters. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 26, 2016, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 01:00:04 PM
I apologise. I didnt post the link as previously posts withs links on have been removed.

The statistics in question and many more can be found here

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/5826/Stages/12496/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2015-2016


This is a fantastic website, is it possible to make it sticky?
It's a working excel spreadsheet, you can sort in descending order by clicking on the title cell.

Some of the detailed stats would suggest that we're not as bad statistically as some would believe.

It tends to support the argument that although not pretty, we are effective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 01:22:03 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 01:19:41 PM
Go back to the Lambert thread and read the comments, most thought he'd be a good signing, especially for the money paid, and would be a good player to have alongside Berahino.  I thought the same - but he turned out not to be.  These things happen.  Hardly evidence that our youth system is in tatters.
Who said it was in tatters ?..I haven't. .I think it's one of the best and James Shan is one of the best U21 coaches around...my comments are around the transition to the first team which atm is pretty non existent. .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 26, 2016, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Legend on February 26, 2016, 11:47:33 AM
The thing is if we finish strong this season and get in the top 10 I could see a lot of opinions changing regarding keeping Pulis.

Unless the football changes, I can't see it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 26, 2016, 01:24:01 PM
Unless the football changes, I can't see it.
Top 10 is a nice thought but still don't want to see TP..DK or GF here next season..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 01:27:39 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 10:25:45 AM
There's no such thing as luck.  Luck is just an opinion assigned to a set of results. 
Is hitting the post lucky or unlucky?  Depends which team you support doesn't it?  But how can one factual event then be classed as both? 

Hitting the post isn't even classed as a shot on target but is that considered a better attempt at the goal than a scuffed shot that dribbles through to the keeper to pick up?  Or what about a shot that whistles just wide?  There's nothing lucky about that chance but again, it's considered worse than an easy save.

When people say luck evens out they just mean that sometimes you get the decision, sometimes you don't.  We could say we were unlucky to draw against Liverpool due to the nature of the equaliser, some consider it a lucky win.

All this talk of luck is just demeaning to the players who work their socks off to restrict the opposition to clear cut chances.  Most teams would trade 15 speculative long range efforts for one or two clear goal scoring chances.

I'm a professional poker player, there is always luck, either positive or negative.

There is also probability of something occurring.

My aces will get cracked 23 times out of 100.

If your opponent goes all in, and you hold the aces, you fold, because you didn't lose nowt, your in the wrong game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 01:27:52 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 01:22:03 PM
Who said it was in tatters ?..I haven't. .I think it's one of the best and James Shan is one of the best U21 coaches around...my comments are around the transition to the first team which atm is pretty non existent. .
For pretty much any club it's the same.  The big clubs swoop in and snatch the really promising ones away.  You'll mention Southampton's last 10 years next, we're going around in circles.  Peace has already spoken out about the troubles with the youth system. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 01:27:52 PM
For pretty much any club it's the same.  The big clubs swoop in and snatch the really promising ones away.  You'll mention Southampton's last 10 years next, we're going around in circles.  Peace has already spoken out about the troubles with the youth system.
Agree to disagree..can't see we will ever see eye to eye..but will be there on Saturday at least hoping that we try and be the home team for once...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 26, 2016, 01:30:34 PM
I always tend to agree with him at the press conference but then his tactics, team selection, passion in the pitch, substitutions and touchline conduct remind me thwt i do nit want to see him anywhere near the albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 01:34:22 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 01:27:39 PM
I'm a professional poker player, there is always luck, either positive or negative.

There is also probability of something occurring.

My aces will get cracked 23 times out of 100.

If your opponent goes all in, and you hold the aces, you fold, because you didn't lose nowt, your in the wrong game.
I think you've missed the point.  There isn't any "luck", it's just reading a set of results in whatever light you hold them in.  Crack someone else's Aces, "that was lucky", have your aces cracked, "that was unlucky".  One event, two different values of "luck".  Whether you think something is lucky or not depends entirely on your point of view.

Probability is nothing to do with what people consider luck.  If you're feeling lucky it doesn't make you more likely to crack aces.  Probability is the factual chance of an occurance happening.  I write gambling software for a living.  :D

By the way, you might want to rethink your fold of AA if you're heads up all-in preflop.  (actually, reading it again, I'm not sure that's what you mean).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 01:35:36 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on February 26, 2016, 01:30:34 PM
I always tend to agree with him at the press conference but then his tactics, team selection, passion in the pitch, substitutions and touchline conduct remind me thwt i do nit want to see him anywhere near the albion.
He talks a good game but when it comes to match day resorts to the same old same old..was good in his day but has been found out...appears to have a Plan A..just ..but the only changes seem to happen in the last 10 minutes.. then it's hoof it up to Rondon who is already cream crackered from chasing lost causes..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 01:36:26 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 01:27:39 PM
I'm a professional poker player, there is always luck, either positive or negative.

There is also probability of something occurring.

My aces will get cracked 23 times out of 100.

If your opponent goes all in, and you hold the aces, you fold, because you didn't lose nowt, your in the wrong game.

The reason I dug up all the statistics that have sparked this whole debate in the first place is because i'm such a huge poker/maths/probability nerd  :P

Finally back to Pulis. If we lose tomorrow or draw 0-0 with another standard no shots on target performance, do people think this will be the first time 'Pulis out' chants are heard being sung at full time?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 01:36:26 PM
The reason I dug up all the statistics that have sparked this whole debate in the first place is because i'm such a huge poker/maths/probability nerd  :P

Finally back to Pulis. If we lose tomorrow or draw 0-0 with another standard no shots on target performance, do people think this will be the first time 'Pulis out' chants are heard being sung at full time?
Think many people have chanted under their breath this season but I very much doubt it will be heard..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 01:43:58 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 01:34:22 PM
I think you've missed the point.  There isn't any "luck", it's just reading a set of results in whatever light you hold them in.  Crack someone else's Aces, "that was lucky", have your aces cracked, "that was unlucky".  One event, two different values of "luck".  Whether you think something is lucky or not depends entirely on your point of view.

Probability is nothing to do with what people consider luck.  If you're feeling lucky it doesn't make you more likely to crack aces.  Probability is the factual chance of an occurance happening.  I write gambling software for a living.  :D

By the way, you might want to rethink your fold of AA if you're heads up all-in preflop.

There are occasions where folding aces to an all in preflop is the mathmatically correct decision but lets save that geekiness for another time as its a Friday  :P

Gavin I think you are right and its unlikely. I think only a 3-0/4-0 drubbing tomorrow would induce Pulis out chants, and even then 3/4 of the stadium will probably have already gone home by then anyway  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 26, 2016, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 01:26:50 PM
Top 10 is a nice thought but still don't want to see TP..DK or GF here next season..

I'd keep DK. Gotta love a man who wears shorts in winter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
I don't go, but thanks for letting me know I didn't have to.

I suppose that makes me inferior.

Oh get over yourself will you..

Who has said you are inferior...got a bit of a complex have you??  ::) :-X

I dont go either as I live in Cornwall....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:31:30 PM
Luke Shaw 27 million
Calm Chambers 16 million
Gareth Bale (2007) 7 million plus 10 sell on = 9 million =16 million
Walcott (2006) 5 million rising to 11 million
Oxlade Chamberlain 12 million rising to 15 million

Ill give you Luke Shaw, and I had actually forgotten about them selling Oxlade Chamberlain....not a huge amount though for the talent that The Ox is, how much is he worth now do you reckon

Bale and Walcott as mentioned didnt go for huge amounts...how much are they worth now? Cherry picked

My point was Southampton had their best players stolen before they had a chance to make a huge impact on the first team, much like our best have been only clubs have gotten wise to the fact get them before they sign professional and get them cheaper
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 12:35:47 PM
So once again you make it personal....just because you have 20000000 posts doesn't make your opinion any more valid than mine..

Who made it personal?

Doesnt matter how many posts ive got on this board my opinion is no more valid than yours.

My opinion is though that there is a slight bit of ignorance on your part, im not being personal im saying as I see it.

If you take offence to that well thats your issue not mine..man up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 02:43:24 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 02:38:05 PM
Who made it personal?

Doesnt matter how many posts ive got on this board my opinion is no more valid than yours.

My opinion is though that there is a slight bit of ignorance on your part, im not being personal im saying as I see it.

If you take offence to that well thats your issue not mine..man up
Whatever..life's too short...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 01:34:22 PM
I think you've missed the point.  There isn't any "luck", it's just reading a set of results in whatever light you hold them in.  Crack someone else's Aces, "that was lucky", have your aces cracked, "that was unlucky".  One event, two different values of "luck".  Whether you think something is lucky or not depends entirely on your point of view.

Probability is nothing to do with what people consider luck.  If you're feeling lucky it doesn't make you more likely to crack aces.  Probability is the factual chance of an occurance happening.  I write gambling software for a living.  :D

By the way, you might want to rethink your fold of AA if you're heads up all-in preflop.  (actually, reading it again, I'm not sure that's what you mean).

Dude,

You have just made my point.

The one thing I would say is if you can't afford to lose, then you shouldn't be playing in the first place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 26, 2016, 03:18:52 PM
Pulis is toast anyway, most of the players have had enough.  Can't wait for the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Dude,

You have just made my point.

The one thing I would say is if you can't afford to lose, then you shouldn't be playing in the first place.
We can't afford to lose our premiership status.  We might not go out of business but long term planning for us means we should be in the Premier League.  I think we can do that and I don't think we should give up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 26, 2016, 03:23:59 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 26, 2016, 03:18:52 PM
Pulis is toast anyway, most of the players have had enough.  Can't wait for the summer.

Do you know that for definite or are you just speculating?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 03:26:22 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 26, 2016, 01:43:58 PM
There are occasions where folding aces to an all in preflop is the mathmatically correct decision but lets save that geekiness for another time as its a Friday  :P

Gavin I think you are right and its unlikely. I think only a 3-0/4-0 drubbing tomorrow would induce Pulis out chants, and even then 3/4 of the stadium will probably have already gone home by then anyway  :P

Nash, ICM, fold vs bet equity etc.

You seem to understand how it works, but, the real skill in poker, is knowing your opponent, and knowing how to exploit there weakness, also understanding their strength.

Same in football, become predictable, you will lose.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on February 26, 2016, 03:23:59 PM
Do you know that for definite or are you just speculating?
They looked like they worked really hard for him against Everton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 26, 2016, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 03:26:22 PM
Nash, ICM, fold vs bet equity etc.

You seem to understand how it works, but, the real skill in poker, is knowing your opponent, and knowing how to exploit there weakness, also understanding their strength.

Same in football, become predictable, you will lose.

Not to be an backside but the poker table and Football are poles apart.

One is a game involving large amounts of money and foreign players the other...well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 26, 2016, 03:46:52 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 03:31:31 PM
They looked like they worked really hard for him against Everton.

Yup, that's what I thought too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 26, 2016, 03:48:31 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on February 26, 2016, 03:18:52 PM
Pulis is toast anyway, most of the players have had enough.  Can't wait for the summer.

That's good because they said they loved playing for Irvine and Clarke and didn't want to play for Pepe Mel. Next people will be saying the players in the team like him and the one's on the bench don't :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 03:49:00 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 03:19:06 PM
We can't afford to lose our premiership status.  We might not go out of business but long term planning for us means we should be in the Premier League.  I think we can do that and I don't think we should give up.

Who can't afford to lose our Prem status?

Does it affect your back pocket?

Will you suddenly stop supporting us? Neither would I
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 03:57:04 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 03:49:00 PM
Who can't afford to lose our Prem status?

Does it affect your back pocket?

Will you suddenly stop supporting us? Neither would I

Do you think a club like Oldham would rather been in their situation than ours?

Or that missing out on the millions of Premiership money is a good thing financially?

I realise this is what people don't want football to be about but it's too late for that.  Football is a financial game now.  I'm sure there's small local clubs that would happily accept new fans.  We're in such a good position in comparison to most other football and Pulis isn't going to be here forever.  If he leaves us in as strong a position as he did Stoke then I'd say 'job done'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 04:13:00 PM
Albion are 1 of 13 clubs in England that have a mean average of finishing in the top 20.

When  people make comparisons to us against clubs like Pompey, Bolton, Birmingham blah blah, they are nowhere near us, the only club that effed comparible to us is Leeds.

Don't believe me, research it for yourself
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 04:18:57 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 04:13:00 PM
Albion are 1 of 13 clubs in England that have a mean average of finishing in the top 20.

When  people make comparisons to us against clubs like Pompey, Bolton, Birmingham blah blah, they are nowhere near us, the only club that effed comparible to us is Leeds.

Don't believe me, research it for yourself

Not sure that matters, regarding the mean average of finishing in the top 20, it's all about where they were when they began their fall.

I don't think people think we'll do a Leeds.  If we did then Peace hasn't run the club anywhere near as well as people tell me he has.  I think it's a case that if you want to be at the top table, even if you're picking up scraps, you've got to be in the Premiership.  It wasn't that long ago that we played Wolves and a win for them would have taken them to within a couple of points of us.  Would they swap with us right now?  You bet they would and to think that that kind of fall can't happen to us because, we've got a mean average of finishing in the top 20, is a bit naive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 04:28:22 PM
BUT! Despite where Leeds are now, and where we was mid 80's through 90's, we are still 2 of 13 clubs that finish in the top 20.

Sure Oldham would wanna be us, so would another 79 clubs, but, they ain't us, and the people on our gravy train are not doing enough.

We ain't 'little West Brom' we probably will never get 60k+ gates, but, you and others have said, it's business not sport
So, how come other smaller teams 79 to pick from, do better business than us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 04:37:40 PM
That's what I mean, it's pretty irrelevant when talking about historical finishing positions.

What's important is where we actually are and where we're heading.  A lot of clubs would happily swap places with us so I don't think it's as doom and gloom as being made out.  We could do better, sure, no-one is doubting that though and we really should try.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 04:48:24 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 04:37:40 PM
That's what I mean, it's pretty irrelevant when talking about historical finishing positions.

What's important is where we actually are and where we're heading.  A lot of clubs would happily swap places with us so I don't think it's as doom and gloom as being made out.  We could do better, sure, no-one is doubting that though and we really should try.

At last!

I agree!!

But surely, you realise, that our little bit of history didn't just turn up with the milk, we are standing still, whilst the world whizzes by us.

Am I the only bloke that can see this?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 26, 2016, 04:49:54 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on February 26, 2016, 11:32:47 AM
don't think i've ever been less proud to be an Albion supporter. At least when we were pooh (1986-2002) we could have a good laugh at ourselves. Now there's no enjoyment. i normally try and go a couple of times a year, but no chance i'll be going whilst TP is manager.

nothing against the guy. he's got a good record as a manager, sticks to a formula which works for him. he is brilliant at keeping clubs up. but i think we are a bit better than that, we've been in the prem now for 6 years.

i pity everyone who goes every week. the sooner he's gone the better.
Sharon Duce

I've always been proud to be a Baggies supporter, founding members of the football league, FA Cup winners, League Cup winners, famous players, England strikers, Black Country humour, self deprecating fans, sarcasm, different strip, throstle - everything about us - ups and downs, successes and failures, unexpected victories and defeats, moaning and groaning, cheering and supporting  - all this makes us great fans  :P Live with it FFS











Not to mention character building ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 26, 2016, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 03:31:31 PM
They looked like they worked really hard for him against Everton.

Yeah, and Reading... :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 26, 2016, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 01:27:39 PM
I'm a professional poker player, there is always luck, either positive or negative.

There is also probability of something occurring.

My aces will get cracked 23 times out of 100.

If your opponent goes all in, and you hold the aces, you fold, because you didn't lose nowt, your in the wrong game.

That's a sweeping statement to which the percentages are subject to how many players are in the hand. Even then, 77% isn't right no matter the situation.

Comparing football to poker is nonsensical. Luck has a huge effect on cards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 26, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on February 26, 2016, 04:49:54 PM
Sharon Duce

I've always been proud to be a Baggies supporter, founding members of the football league, FA Cup winners, League Cup winners, famous players, England strikers, Black Country humour, self deprecating fans, sarcasm, different strip, throstle - everything about us - ups and downs, successes and failures, unexpected victories and defeats, moaning and groaning, cheering and supporting  - all this makes us great fans  :P Live with it FFS














Not to mention character building ;D

Is she a baggies fan WOW
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 26, 2016, 05:42:03 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 02:29:41 PM
I dont go either as I live in Cornwall....
The kind of supporter that Pulis must love. Don't have to watch it just get to revel in the results. ;D

Could be me next season (although moving to Cornwall is extreme)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 26, 2016, 05:45:14 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on February 26, 2016, 03:46:52 PM
Yup, that's what I thought too.
I absolutely know mate, I'm not an ITK'er but if you've been on this board for a length of time you'll know  I'm not one to start a bit of gossip for a minute of kudos.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 06:06:46 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on February 26, 2016, 05:39:03 PM
That's a sweeping statement to which the percentages are subject to how many players are in the hand. Even then, 77% isn't right no matter the situation.

Comparing football to poker is nonsensical. Luck has a huge effect on cards.

In the short term luck has everything to do with cards.

As a poker player I try to eliminate other people's luck by betting them out of a pot.

Football and Poker has huge parallels, play beyond your means, you'll go bust,  play safe, you are not maximising your win potential.

Either way not good practice
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 26, 2016, 08:42:27 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 01:19:41 PM
Go back to the Lambert thread and read the comments, most thought he'd be a good signing, especially for the money paid, and would be a good player to have alongside Berahino.  I thought the same - but he turned out not to be.  These things happen.  Hardly evidence that our youth system is in tatters.
but its a valid point that youngsters don't get a look in under pulis, how many chances did lambert get before he proved to everyone he's no longer capable playing at this level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 26, 2016, 08:43:34 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 26, 2016, 04:13:00 PM
Albion are 1 of 13 clubs in England that have a mean average of finishing in the top 20.

When  people make comparisons to us against clubs like Pompey, Bolton, Birmingham blah blah, they are nowhere near us, the only club that effed comparible to us is Leeds.

Don't believe me, research it for yourself

Blackburn, Bolton, Charlton, Coventry, Fulham, Leeds, Middlesbrough, Portsmouth, Sheffield Wednesday, Wigan and Wimbledon have all spent more consecutive seasons in the PL than us but for whatever reason now find themselves lower down in the pecking order.

The same goes for Villa, Sunderland and Newcastle who all find themselves in danger of dropping down a level despite the time and money they have spent at the top.

That would suggest that bigger and better (PL) clubs than us have tried and failed to do enough to stay in this division over the years, at the end of the day there are no set rules or strategies that guarantees survival in this division!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 26, 2016, 08:54:35 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on February 26, 2016, 08:43:34 PM
Blackburn, Bolton, Charlton, Coventry, Fulham, Leeds, Middlesbrough, Portsmouth, Sheffield Wednesday, Wigan and Wimbledon have all spent more consecutive seasons in the PL than us but for whatever reason now find themselves lower down in the pecking order.

The same goes for Villa, Sunderland and Newcastle who all find themselves in danger of dropping down a level despite the time and money they have spent at the top.

That would suggest that bigger and better (PL) clubs than us have tried and failed to do enough to stay in this division over the years, at the end of the day there are no set rules or strategies that guarantees survival in this division!
100% agree, no team or any manager gets a free cannot be relegated card at the start of the season.
anyone can get relegated and anyone can win the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 26, 2016, 08:58:37 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 26, 2016, 08:54:35 PM
100% agree, no team or any manager gets a free cannot be relegated card at the start of the season.
anyone can get relegated and anyone can win the league.

Are you saying WE can win the league?  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 26, 2016, 09:16:55 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on February 26, 2016, 08:58:37 PM
Are you saying WE can win the league?  ;)
its unlikely but every team can, I bet Leicester fans never thought they would have the season they're having so why not.
but we've got just as much chance of being relegated
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 27, 2016, 08:38:29 AM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10182380/tony-pulis-would-have-liked-longer-crystal-palace-stay

Tony Pulis still cherishes "great memories" from his time at Crystal Palace and admits he would have liked the opportunity to stay at the club.

Pulis left Palace by mutual consent in August 2014 after nine months in charge, having guided the club to 11th in the Premier League.

When he replaced previous manager Ian Holloway, Palace had won one of their opening 11 league games, and Pulis was named manager of the season for his efforts.

Now in charge at West Brom, he faces his former club at The Hawthorns on Saturday Night Football, and admits he still holds fond memories of his time in south London.

"Palace in the short term was as good as anything you could achieve really," he told Soccer Saturday. It would have been nice to have stayed and taken it on a bit further, because it would have suited me, but it wasn't to be.

"I have great memories there and it is a great football club. The 3-3 draw against Liverpool was a wonderful night, and I enjoyed a lot of times there. The supporters were wonderful.

"The amount of times I bump into Palace fans now when I'm in London, they seem to be everywhere, and they're great with me and it's nice to leave clubs on good terms.

"I get on well with Alan Pardew, and it will be a tough game on Saturday because I know the players well."


West Brom recorded their first Premier League victory since early January with a 1-0 win over Everton in their last league outing.

Salomon Rondon's early strike at Goodison Park ended a five-match winless run, with Albion now four places above the relegation zone, and Pulis admits they still need another three wins to ensure survival.

"We're desperate to get another eight or nine points and that will keep us in the league," he added. "The remit from the chairman for the first and second year was to stay in the league because of the financial implications. We have 12 cup finals now.

"We've had injuries to James Morrison and Jonny Evans this season, who are big players for us. They are very good footballers and they make us play. They can be the difference.

"But we've been unfortunate with lots of stuff this year. We've missed Saido Berahino for half the season. You look at Tottenham, if you took Harry Kane out and you took Jamie Vardy from Leicester, it's the same with Saido for us.

"He was one of the main reasons this club stayed in the Premier League last season because his goals really put the club where it is today. To be without that talent for half a season has been a really big miss.

"You can add Ben Foster to that, a goalkeeper who was second choice for England, and that's two very important positions for us. But you get on with your job and do it to get the results you need."

After their FA Cup defeat to Reading, Pulis appeared to offer no assurances that he plans to stay beyond the summer, but the manager insists the story was blown out of proportion.

"I made a comment about sitting down with the chairman at the end of the season, as I do every season, and obviously they've taken it as something that it's not," he continued. "I understand, there's a story in it and it fills a piece on the back pages.

"But the chairman has been fantastic. At the beginning of the season there was doubt about the sale of the club, and he was close to selling, but it never happened. He kept in contact with me and we speak every week.

"He's been exceptionally honest about what he wants to do with the football club, and that's all I ask for."

Excerpt from a Sky interview going out latter today, are my hopes dashed or is he just trying to dampen down the speculation? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 27, 2016, 09:24:38 AM
I'm almost certain he's seen all of the stick and personal insults online and he dropped the comment in on purpose just to troll everyone on social media  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 27, 2016, 09:44:54 AM
I think he will still go just my opinion, when he realizes that we won't be giving him millions to spurn I think he will walk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 27, 2016, 10:12:54 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 25, 2016, 12:11:44 PM
Just had a browse on a premiership statistics website and have found some very unsurprising results.

Total Passes = 20th
Total Accurate Short Passes = 20th
Average Pass Completion % = 19th
Average Shots per game = 20th
Average Shots on target per game = 20th
Average Shots in the Penalty Area per game = 20th
Average Goals scored per game = 19th (Villa are 20th)
Average Possession % = 20th

I know pro Pulis people will claim the only statistic that matters is the one that says we are 14th, but its clear we are lucky to be in that position and quite frankly the above statistics makes me embarrassed of our league position. Whats the point in staying up if we cant enjoy it?
To anyone who expects (hopes) things might become different at any time during Pulis's tenure, it's worth comparing the same stats for Stoke at the end of the 2012-13 season (they finished 13th), when Pulis got the boot after 6 seasons in charge:

Total Passes: 19th
Total Accurate Short Passes: 19th
Average Pass Completion %: 19th
Average Shots per game: 19th=
Average Shots on target per game: 20th
Average Shots in the Penalty Area per game: 18th
Average Goals scored per game: 19th
Average Possession %: 17th

From 2012-13 there's also:

Aerial duels won: 1st

By comparison so far this season, Albion are 3rd for this stat.

Source: whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/3389/Stages/6531/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2012-2013)

All in all then no matter how many seasons Pulis is given, the fundamentals of the tactics he uses, and the impact of them, won't significantly change. Are you willing to accept this, because there's no reason to believe that it isn't what's going to happen if he stays, no matter how many transfer windows he's given? As others are proving, this isn't the only way of achieving our goals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
When he says we have missed Berahino for most of the season he conveniently has forgotten that he stated his plans for Berahino was to sell him in the summer.
Bit like an Eastenders story line where they forget what has gone on previously.  As I've said elsewhere,  dollops of salt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 27, 2016, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
When he says we have missed Berahino for most of the season he conveniently has forgotten that he stated his plans for Berahino was to sell him in the summer.
Bit like an Eastenders story line where they forget what has gone on previously.  As I've said elsewhere,  dollops of salt.

But the plans were to sell him and bring in others using the money.  We didnt sell him and thanks to his early season attitude we've missed his goals.  There's nothing odd about saying that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 27, 2016, 11:10:19 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on February 27, 2016, 10:12:54 AM
To anyone who expects (hopes) things might become different at any time during Pulis's tenure, it's worth comparing the same stats for Stoke at the end of the 2012-13 season (they finished 13th), when Pulis got the boot after 6 seasons in charge:

Total Passes: 19th
Total Accurate Short Passes: 19th
Average Pass Completion %: 19th
Average Shots per game: 19th=
Average Shots on target per game: 20th
Average Shots in the Penalty Area per game: 18th
Average Goals scored per game: 19th
Average Possession %: 17th

From 2012-13 there's also:

Aerial duels won: 1st

By comparison so far this season, Albion are 3rd for this stat.

Source: whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/3389/Stages/6531/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2012-2013)

All in all then no matter how many seasons Pulis is given, the fundamentals of the tactics he uses, and the impact of them, won't significantly change. Are you willing to accept this, because there's no reason to believe that it isn't what's going to happen if he stays, no matter how many transfer windows he's given? As others are proving, this isn't the only way of achieving our goals.

Does anyone think Pulis would improve if he stays? I don't think anyone has really said that.
He's never cracked top 10, never been relegated. I don't think people think he will improve based on this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 27, 2016, 12:01:58 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 03:57:04 PM
Do you think a club like Oldham would rather been in their situation than ours?

Or that missing out on the millions of Premiership money is a good thing financially?

I realise this is what people don't want football to be about but it's too late for that.  Football is a financial game now.  I'm sure there's small local clubs that would happily accept new fans.  We're in such a good position in comparison to most other football and Pulis isn't going to be here forever.  If he leaves us in as strong a position as he did Stoke then I'd say 'job done'.

If football is now just a financial game (and I agree) then does it really matter where we are playing as long as we as supporters are enjoying it? Only 1 man is benefiting from us being in the Prem. I‘d be far happier watching us playing flowing football in league 1 than I am now. All we have to look forward to is a cup run but we've not made a good fist of that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 27, 2016, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 27, 2016, 12:01:58 PM
If football is now just a financial game (and I agree) then does it really matter where we are playing as long as we as supporters are enjoying it? Only 1 man is benefiting from us being in the Prem. I‘d be far happier watching us playing flowing football in league 1 than I am now. All we have to look forward to is a cup run but we've not made a good fist of that.
Won't even get a cup run to look forward to if we go down though, the club will just concentrate on promotion, then we'll have more dross to look forward to in the premier league again.

Vicious circle really, but I suppose we will have a promotion push to excite us again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 27, 2016, 12:57:27 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 27, 2016, 12:01:58 PM
If football is now just a financial game (and I agree) then does it really matter where we are playing as long as we as supporters are enjoying it? Only 1 man is benefiting from us being in the Prem. I‘d be far happier watching us playing flowing football in league 1 than I am now. All we have to look forward to is a cup run but we've not made a good fist of that.

I think even if Walsall do not get promoted /and we stay up and then a poll was ran asking Walsall fans and West Broms how happy they've been this season, Walsall fans would have much higher satisfaction levels.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 27, 2016, 03:02:41 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 27, 2016, 12:01:58 PM
If football is now just a financial game (and I agree) then does it really matter where we are playing as long as we as supporters are enjoying it? Only 1 man is benefiting from us being in the Prem. I‘d be far happier watching us playing flowing football in league 1 than I am now. All we have to look forward to is a cup run but we've not made a good fist of that.

Your whole enjoyment hinges on playing flowing football - we've rarely done that in the last 20 years.  I'm only saying this tongue in cheek so don't get offended but why not support Arsenal?  Or Barcelona? If I had to guess you support Albion because IT IS Albion, and that includes periods when it's not easy to support them, or even to watch.  What about getting wins against the big teams?  Or having an actual cup run rather than thinking reaching Round 3 IS a good cup run?  Pulis isn't going to be here forever, I'm sure we'll play better football in the future, and maybe worse football. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 27, 2016, 03:38:13 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on February 27, 2016, 12:57:27 PM
I think even if Walsall do not get promoted /and we stay up and then a poll was ran asking Walsall fans and West Broms how happy they've been this season, Walsall fans would have much higher satisfaction levels.

Course they will, they are having a season where they didn't expect any sort of promotion challenge so obviously they will be happier than us having our yearly aim of mid table obscurity, thats the aim of this club. From all the clubs in the Midlands Walsall fans will be the happiest with the exception of Leicester if you wanted to broaden the boundary to include the East Midlands.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 27, 2016, 05:11:30 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 27, 2016, 03:02:41 PM
Your whole enjoyment hinges on playing flowing football - we've rarely done that in the last 20 years.  I'm only saying this tongue in cheek so don't get offended but why not support Arsenal?  Or Barcelona? If I had to guess you support Albion because IT IS Albion, and that includes periods when it's not easy to support them, or even to watch.  What about getting wins against the big teams?  Or having an actual cup run rather than thinking reaching Round 3 IS a good cup run?  Pulis isn't going to be here forever, I'm sure we'll play better football in the future, and maybe worse football.

In the 30 odd years I've been supporting we have on the whole at least tried to play a passing game. Even in the days of Buckley and Smith we tried to at least attack teams. What I can' take it going out with no intent on winning but to stifle the opposition. You only have to look at todays line up to see we are at it again. I want to see my side playing decent stuff and trying to win games. I wasn't a massive fan of Mowbray as we had deficiencies in the side then but I believe there is a balance to be had. I don't even get excited by wins against the big sides especially if we don't deserve them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on February 27, 2016, 07:38:50 PM
Hopefully this is a new era for Pulis who's clearly taken some of the concerns on board. The front 3 was very dynamic and we played some great stuff, all without losing much defensive stability either (the two goals were from a truly woeful mistake and a wonder strike from a knock down off a set piece - their only 2 shots on target). Even after the Palace first I thought we had much the better of the game  till the second. We got in some great positions but the final ball wasn't the greatest, and Berahino was very unlucky not to score a second with his shot off the bar. The caginess after it got to 3-2 was fairly understandable I think.

Still it gives hope that things can be different. We've shown we can play against our counterparts and hopefully we stick to that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 27, 2016, 07:42:16 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 27, 2016, 05:11:30 PM
In the 30 odd years I've been supporting we have on the whole at least tried to play a passing game. Even in the days of Buckley and Smith we tried to at least attack teams. What I can' take it going out with no intent on winning but to stifle the opposition. You only have to look at todays line up to see we are at it again. I want to see my side playing decent stuff and trying to win games. I wasn't a massive fan of Mowbray as we had deficiencies in the side then but I believe there is a balance to be had. I don't even get excited by wins against the big sides especially if we don't deserve them.
My view is we have had 3 decent managers who could use resources effectively in the last 15 or so years.Megson,Hodgson and Pulis. The rest were a holding on to their coat tails.After what I saw tonight we could do this, or win 1-0 but the points remain the same.We just do not have the players who can go 3-0 up and do both attack and defend to boss the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 27, 2016, 07:44:37 PM
Most of us who are in the Pulis Out camp would not be if we had been seeing football like that all season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Downunder Stripes on February 27, 2016, 07:48:05 PM
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Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 27, 2016, 07:49:20 PM
Pin drop in here tonight. Well done TP now 35 points with 33 to play for. Top 10 on the cards. Also above the darlings Crystal Palace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 27, 2016, 07:51:52 PM
Happy for him to take us to the end of the season...but would rather see someone else in the Managers seat next season..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on February 27, 2016, 07:53:27 PM
Holy sugar! Our best player gets his head down and plays well therefore helping out the manager. As TP said in interview we've effectively missed him for half a season.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on February 27, 2016, 07:54:20 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 27, 2016, 07:49:20 PM
Pin drop in here tonight. Well done TP now 35 points with 33 to play for. Top 10 on the cards. Also above the darlings Crystal Palace.

Tonight was better and there have been flashes of that throughout the season but unless things drastically change and he plays creative players i'd still like us to replace him with a more dynamic manager.

I'm thankful for what he's done but i do not like the football.

I won't be going nuts if we keep him to see out his contact but i still won't be travelling up to brum to watch us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 27, 2016, 07:56:30 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on February 27, 2016, 07:42:16 PM
My view is we have had 3 decent managers who could use resources effectively in the last 15 or so years.Megson,Hodgson and Pulis. The rest were a holding on to their coat tails.After what I saw tonight we could do this, or win 1-0 but the points remain the same.We just do not have the players who can go 3-0 up and do both attack and defend to boss the game.
or win 3-1 if Olsson didn't suddenly remember he'd left the stove on for the first goal.

and anyway, nobody was stopping Wickham's 2nd, so by your argument this method was two points better than the 1-1 we MAY have got.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 27, 2016, 07:56:53 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 27, 2016, 07:49:20 PM
Pin drop in here tonight. Well done TP now 35 points with 33 to play for. Top 10 on the cards. Also above the darlings Crystal Palace.
by your words earlier in the season,

"Pulis doesn't do top 10"

 :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 27, 2016, 07:57:18 PM
A point at Leicester and 3 points v United would make it a very good week.

Hopefully Evans back to replace Olsson, happy with Chester filling in for Brunt, but will be interesting to see whether TP uses Evans to replace Brunt.

Would like to see Pritchard given a chance but am not too fussed as he's only on loan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 27, 2016, 08:00:10 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 27, 2016, 07:49:20 PM
Pin drop in here tonight. Well done TP now 35 points with 33 to play for. Top 10 on the cards. Also above the darlings Crystal Palace.

We played well, people are happy, do you have to be snarky.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 27, 2016, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 27, 2016, 07:44:37 PM
Most of us who are in the Pulis Out camp would not be if we had been seeing football like that all season

Totally agree. I don't WANT Pulis gone, i WANT us to play attacking football and actually try to win a game.

We play well against top 6 clubs, but that's the first time since Newcastle we've attacked a lower team (3 or 4 games, all winable, approach very negatively)

I'd be happy for Pulis to be here for years, because that means things have improved.

Two strikers up front, at least 1 attack minded midfielder and NOT hoofing it long as the only method of movement. I'd be happy with that for as long as it's available.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on February 27, 2016, 08:28:32 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 27, 2016, 07:49:20 PM
Pin drop in here tonight. Well done TP now 35 points with 33 to play for. Top 10 on the cards. Also above the darlings Crystal Palace.

Perhaps the penny has dropped with Pulis!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on February 27, 2016, 08:32:01 PM
If Pulis keeps us playing like this then i am firmly back in the Pulis IN camp.

We can attack but remain solid as he has shown before so why all the recent negative setups i don't know.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on February 27, 2016, 08:33:11 PM
1 loss in 8 in prem.
11 points out of last 15 at home.
Unbeaten in 5 at home
Back to back wins in prem.
Great game and atmosphere tonight.

If only we played like tonight more often...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 27, 2016, 08:35:24 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on February 27, 2016, 07:56:30 PM
or win 3-1 if Olsson didn't suddenly remember he'd left the stove on for the first goal.

and anyway, nobody was stopping Wickham's 2nd, so by your argument this method was two points better than the 1-1 we MAY have got.
But the fact is we let the goal in by a defensive error, as you say Olsson mistake and the free kick so where is my argument wrong? You have to control the game all over the pitch all the 90 odd minutes at this level we were one goal short of losing 2 points. So that is the opposite of your post ( I do not do arguments by the way so move on if you want one) It is a fine line at this level as to how you play and manage with what resources you have. I think TP has done well for us. If you hold the opposing view fine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 27, 2016, 08:47:20 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on February 27, 2016, 07:42:16 PM
My view is we have had 3 decent managers who could use resources effectively in the last 15 or so years.Megson,Hodgson and Pulis. The rest were a holding on to their coat tails.After what I saw tonight we could do this, or win 1-0 but the points remain the same.We just do not have the players who can go 3-0 up and do both attack and defend to boss the game.

What would you rather watch? Give me today over any grinding 1-0.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on February 27, 2016, 08:52:36 PM
 I don't believe we would have all this anti Pulis feeling if Berihino had been committed this season, when he is focused he makes a big difference to the team offensively.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 27, 2016, 08:53:41 PM
That every week please Mr Pulis. No excuses now, we have shown we are capable of playing much better football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 27, 2016, 08:59:54 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 27, 2016, 08:53:41 PM
That every week please Mr Pulis. No excuses now, we have shown we are capable of playing much better football.

We've played some good stuff at times before this season which gets overshadowed by the dross we have also played at times especially since Chelsea away since when its gone right downhill until today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 27, 2016, 09:03:05 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on February 27, 2016, 08:35:24 PM
But the fact is we let the goal in by a defensive error, as you say Olsson mistake and the free kick so where is my argument wrong? You have to control the game all over the pitch all the 90 odd minutes at this level we were one goal short of losing 2 points. So that is the opposite of your post ( I do not do arguments by the way so move on if you want one) It is a fine line at this level as to how you play and manage with what resources you have. I think TP has done well for us. If you hold the opposing view fine.
because they would've got that free kick due to them attacking us so much anyway, it doesn't just change history. the only way that free kick wouldn't have happened, is if we had the ball at that time, which we didn't and wouldn't have if we played Pulis Plan A as we started to more and more as the game progressed/regressed. yes the other was a defensive lapse, and you cannot account for them, but also wouldn't that then mean that asking them to defend MORE would make you MORE at risk of a lapse through sheer probability? Then you say we were a goal away from losing, true but a "one goal and hold it" style would've meant we'd have just lost 2-1. Like it or not, those goals gave us a buffer and over 90 minutes we won, if the 2nd half was over 90 minutes we'd have probably lost, and that became more and more clear as the half went on and we sat deeper and deeper.

I don't care for Pulis, I predicted that he'd throw money at the wall and we'd be overly defensive. But I also said that he'd get us through (i got some bits wrong though as I thought he'd use O'Neil as the back up CDM). It's Tony Pulis and as Jacko used to say "Pulis doesn't do relegation". At the same time, he's like an induced coma, sure they won't get worse, but they aren't going to get much better. also, much like someone in a coma, it's boring as heck to watch, though, every now and again like tonight or Swansea last season, there is a glimmer of life.

EDIT: I'd also point out that we did this last season (swansea) and then reverted to type, never to see an attacking style for an extended period until nearly a year after the fact.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 27, 2016, 09:46:18 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 27, 2016, 07:51:52 PM
Happy for him to take us to the end of the season...but would rather see someone else in the Managers seat next season..
Very generous of you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 27, 2016, 10:00:52 PM
Quote from: KYA on February 27, 2016, 08:52:36 PM
I don't believe we would have all this anti Pulis feeling if Berihino had been committed this season, when he is focused he makes a big difference to the team offensively.

Couldn't agree more. No way could we play 2 up top this season with just Rondon, anichibi and lambert. Now we have a Berahino that's looking like his mind is back on the job we look a lot different.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 27, 2016, 10:14:01 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on February 27, 2016, 09:46:18 PM
Very generous of you.
Its an opinion just like everyone else has one..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 27, 2016, 11:13:44 PM
Today just proved what can be done with Pulis in charge, trouble is it doesn't happen very often and you just know that if he is in charge next season, we will be playing mainly negative, percentage stuff until we are in the safety zone.

I think we'll now see a more attacking end to the season, hopefully anyway.

It really is a dilemma, it will be a gamble to change, there will be a lot of player movement and maybe a change of owners.

To be honest, I think Pulis will walk anyway, he won't want to work with a technical director and I doubt Peace will trust him to spend wisely on the transfer window.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on February 28, 2016, 08:42:45 AM
Wonder if it's coincidence that we have our most energetic performance for a long time when we have our first week without a midweek game.

Did it  give a chance to the players to refresh?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 28, 2016, 08:50:37 AM
We saw an attacking performance yesterday as we did against West Ham,Chelsea and Swansea last year, and maybe Everton and Spurs this. We have never attacked a team away from home. So in a year we get 6 attacking performances and the rest of it has been horrible crabby defensive football.

I have absolutely no doubt he will revert to type and we will be looking back at yesterday's performance as a beacon in a sea of dross. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 28, 2016, 08:50:48 AM
Weve been here before. Theres no corners turned, no change to philosophy.

We get excited about a promising performance. Jacko etc post their 'quiet in here' triumphant posts, and then its followed by the usual dross, negative performances etc. Play like that every week and im happy, regardless of result. But we wont.

Pulis still out for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 28, 2016, 09:13:39 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 28, 2016, 08:50:37 AM
We saw an attacking performance yesterday as we did against West Ham,Chelsea and Swansea last year, and maybe Everton and Spurs this. We have never attacked a team away from home. So in a year we get 6 attacking performances and the rest of it has been horrible crabby defensive football.

I have absolutely no doubt he will revert to type and we will be looking back at yesterday's performance as a beacon in a sea of dross.
Haven't seen all away games but we played Norwich off the park earlier this season and we we had most of the game at Villa. I do expect us to go behind the ball against Leicester though!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2016, 09:15:23 AM
We were definitely the better team in the first half.
He must have said something to the team at half time, as we reverted to his type of game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 28, 2016, 09:17:10 AM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on February 28, 2016, 08:42:45 AM
Wonder if it's coincidence that we have our most energetic performance for a long time when we have our first week without a midweek game.

Did it  give a chance to the players to refresh?
No it's not coincidence. Whether you agree with it or not, fielding full strength teams in the cup relays has taken the  edge off us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 28, 2016, 09:19:58 AM
Quote from: Dexy on February 28, 2016, 09:13:39 AM
Haven't seen all away games but we played Norwich off the park earlier this season and we we had most of the game at Villa. I do expect us to go behind the ball against Leicester though!

Which is perfectly acceptable against a team five points clear at the top of the league away from home. The big problem has been our approach in home games against the likes of Villa and Swansea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 28, 2016, 09:20:55 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2016, 09:15:23 AM
We were definitely the better team in the first half.
He must have said something to the team at half time, as we reverted to his type of game.
He indicated that they talked about keeping things tight for the first 10 or 15 minutes second half ....which would have killed the game off. Then we had Olsson's lapse which gave Palace belief and we were suddenly more nervous than we should have been. We still played a bit second half though ....just have a look at our attacks they showed on MOTD.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 28, 2016, 09:26:08 AM
Not anti or pro Pulls, just want us to have a go at teams and play proper football. If he can keep us going like this theres no reason to change.
If we can manage a top 10 finish I would imagine Pulls would be more than happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 28, 2016, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 28, 2016, 09:19:58 AM
Which is perfectly acceptable against a team five points clear at the top of the league away from home. The big problem has been our approach in home games against the likes of Villa and Swansea.
Yeah i agree mate , i actually felt frustrated in a way to see us play Palace off the pitch last night in a way ....movement , careful passing , 3/4 passes to get up the pitch , support , somewhere to go with the ball when midfield/defence look up , Rondon/Saido/Sess rotating and playing with a swagger not seen since Fortune/ Odemwingie/ Thomas......it was a joy to watch but frustrating at the same time when compared to most of the season. Being honest im totally mixed on Pulis !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 28, 2016, 09:30:25 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2016, 09:15:23 AM
We were definitely the better team in the first half.
He must have said something to the team at half time, as we reverted to his type of game.

You keep peddling this nonsense with no evidence it was down to Pulis' half time talk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on February 28, 2016, 09:44:13 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2016, 09:15:23 AM
We were definitely the better team in the first half.
He must have said something to the team at half time, as we reverted to his type of game.

Or perhaps being 3 down at half time Pardew tore a strip off his team and fired them up to have a real go at us?
We won and we were the better team, so let's give him some credit for a change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 28, 2016, 09:53:20 AM
I certainly don't think his half-time talk included anything like "Jonas, hand them a goal on a plate asap to let them back into the game and give them hope"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nocky on February 28, 2016, 09:56:39 AM
It will be scandalous if Pulis ends up leaving this football club. He's done a fantastic job with a poor, ageing squad of players who have been without their best player for 20 plus games. Put the majority of other managers in the job this season and we'd be in a relegation dog fight. Had Berahino been available all season we could well be sitting in the top 10 right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2016, 09:57:29 AM
No..Olsson did what Olsson does too many times of late, and switches off.
A good servant in the past.
He probably wanted his afternoon doze...He is getting old, you know.  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 28, 2016, 10:25:08 AM
Quote from: Nocky on February 28, 2016, 09:56:39 AM
Had Berahino been available all season we could well be sitting in the top 10 right now.

Saido has been available all season, Pulis chose not to play our best striker.

Let's not blame Saido for Pulis' managerial shortcomings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 28, 2016, 10:29:46 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 28, 2016, 10:25:08 AM
Saido has been available all season, Pulis chose not to play our best striker.

Let's not blame Saido for Pulis' managerial shortcomings.
I wouldn't have played him either when he's sulking , over weight , late for training and late for games . Pulis has stuck by him a lot more than other managers would , i don't think he could be blamed for the Saido situation.....for me it's Saido and the shifty bloke with a track record for trying to get players on the cheap at Spurs in the wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 28, 2016, 11:50:56 AM
First half was the best football from an Albion team for a long while. It helps when our key players put in good performances. Give TP a new contract ASAP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AltyAlbion on February 28, 2016, 11:52:54 AM
Quote from: Nocky on February 28, 2016, 09:56:39 AM
It will be scandalous if Pulis ends up leaving this football club. He's done a fantastic job with a poor, ageing squad of players who have been without their best player for 20 plus games. Put the majority of other managers in the job this season and we'd be in a relegation dog fight. Had Berahino been available all season we could well be sitting in the top 10 right now.

Spot on! Can't think of another manager who would have this squad almost home and dry before the end of Feb ... well done TP!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on February 28, 2016, 11:55:27 AM
Quote from: Legend on February 28, 2016, 11:50:56 AM
First half was the best football from an Albion team for a long while. It helps when our key players put in good performances. Give TP a new contract ASAP.

Your going to give the bloke a new contract based on one half of football??thank god your not running the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 28, 2016, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: wbarenno on February 28, 2016, 11:55:27 AM
Your going to give the bloke a new contract based on one half of football??thank god your not running the club.

I said it last week too don't know how Pulis staying here correlates with poor running of a football club, if I wanted to run it badly I would get rid of TP like some on here wanted. Luckily for us Peace has some sense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 28, 2016, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2016, 09:57:29 AM
No..Olsson did what Olsson does too many times of late, and switches off.
A good servant in the past.
He probably wanted his afternoon doze...He is getting old, you know.  ::)

I'm glad you are finally agreeing with me re Olsson, should be a squad player, not first choice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 28, 2016, 02:46:06 PM
Couple of days ago I was ripped a new one on here for saying Pulis doesn't give younger players a chance. And was also told that Rachford was playing a one off game in mid week and wouldn't start again this season..appears he has just put Untied one up against Arsenal...just saying !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2016, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 28, 2016, 02:46:06 PM
Couple of days ago I was ripped a new one on here for saying Pulis doesn't give younger players a chance. And was also told that Rachford was playing a one off game in mid week and wouldn't start again this season..appears he has just put Untied one up against Arsenal...just saying !!

United in decent youth player shocker... None of ours are good enough. Especially the ones we've let go.

Your entire argument seemed to centre round Rickie Lambert, a player who would be made captain and start every week for Peterborough and Oxford.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 28, 2016, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 28, 2016, 02:46:06 PM
Couple of days ago I was ripped a new one on here for saying Pulis doesn't give younger players a chance. And was also told that Rachford was playing a one off game in mid week and wouldn't start again this season..appears he has just put Untied one up against Arsenal...just saying !!

How many of their main striking players is he keeping out of the side?? None he is in due to injuries, if it wasn't for injuries he wouldnt be playing....it doesnt prove your point

The lad has done exceedingly well in the 2 games he has been in though cant knock that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 28, 2016, 02:56:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2016, 02:55:10 PM
United in decent youth player shocker... None of ours are good enough. Especially the ones we've let go.

Your entire argument seemed to centre round Rickie Lambert, a player who would be made captain and start every week for Peterborough and Oxford.
Oh do give over...he started again and scored and there are 3 other U21 on the bench..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 28, 2016, 02:59:04 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 28, 2016, 02:56:54 PM
Oh do give over...he started again and scored and there are 3 other U21 on the bench..

If United didn't have 14/15 players out he wouldn't be anywhere near the side.

Big difference between an Academy at United and here, they have time to allow players to get a chance, we don't and they don't get the best they have poached by other clubs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 28, 2016, 02:59:44 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 28, 2016, 02:56:39 PM
How many of their main striking players is he keeping out of the side?? None he is in due to injuries, if it wasn't for injuries he wouldnt be playing....it doesnt prove your point

The lad has done exceedingly well in the 2 games he has been in though cant knock that
The question is how many will he keep out now he has been given his chance...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 28, 2016, 03:08:28 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2016, 09:57:29 AM
No..Olsson did what Olsson does too many times of late, and switches off.
A good servant in the past.
He probably wanted his afternoon doze...He is getting old, you know.  ::)
Exactly like how he gifted Micheal Hector that back post header at Reading got to be his last season at least with us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 28, 2016, 03:25:59 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 28, 2016, 02:59:44 PM
The question is how many will he keep out now he has been given his chance...

Lets see when they are all fit, my answer will be none and he will be back in the u-21's
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 28, 2016, 03:36:52 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 28, 2016, 03:25:59 PM
Lets see when they are all fit, my answer will be none and he will be back in the u-21's
Sportsman bet...I say he will play 6 more first team games this season..regardless who is fit...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 28, 2016, 03:37:55 PM
After 27 games we have 35 points equalling our best at this stage in this division in 12/13

http://jonwant.com/football/albions-premier-league-season-comparison-27-games/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2016, 04:12:26 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 28, 2016, 03:37:55 PM
After 27 games we have 35 points equalling our best at this stage in this division in 12/13

http://jonwant.com/football/albions-premier-league-season-comparison-27-games/

Premier League only mate.

By all accounts we should finish higher points wise than the Clarke Lukaku season as we were abysmal from November onwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 28, 2016, 04:26:18 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2016, 04:12:26 PM
Premier League only mate.

By all accounts we should finish higher points wise than the Clarke Lukaku season as we were abysmal from November onwards.

Thats why I said THIS DIVISON

Football before 1992 was the FOOTBALL LEAGUE, was much better then as well  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 28, 2016, 05:45:00 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2016, 09:15:23 AM
We were definitely the better team in the first half.
He must have said something to the team at half time, as we reverted to his type of game.

Who gave the pre-match talk? I guess Pulis forgot and came in halfway through.
It's fair to say that Pulis divides opinion and I can see both sides. There is one thing that you have to admire (even if its begrudging admiration) he accumulates points. Pardew was hailed as Corberan at the start of the season and now they sit below us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on February 28, 2016, 06:19:06 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on February 28, 2016, 03:37:55 PM
After 27 games we have 35 points equalling our best at this stage in this division in 12/13

http://jonwant.com/football/albions-premier-league-season-comparison-27-games/

Think you've misread it slightly; we were on 40 pts at this stage in the 2012/13 season.  It was under Hodgson the year before that we were on 35 points at this stage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 28, 2016, 06:31:37 PM
Quote from: Ska-dForLife-WBA on February 28, 2016, 06:19:06 PM
Think you've misread it slightly; we were on 40 pts at this stage in the 2012/13 season.  It was under Hodgson the year before that we were on 35 points at this stage.

sshhhhh !!!! no-one noticed  (including me) :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2016, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: Ska-dForLife-WBA on February 28, 2016, 06:19:06 PM
Think you've misread it slightly; we were on 40 pts at this stage in the 2012/13 season.  It was under Hodgson the year before that we were on 35 points at this stage.

Still think we'll beat the 12/13 points total.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 28, 2016, 07:37:28 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2016, 06:33:02 PM
Still think we'll beat the 12/13 points total.

Continue with 1.4 points per game and that will be 50 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 28, 2016, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on February 28, 2016, 05:45:00 PM
Who gave the pre-match talk? I guess Pulis forgot and came in halfway through.
It's fair to say that Pulis divides opinion and I can see both sides. There is one thing that you have to admire (even if its begrudging admiration) he accumulates points. Pardew was hailed as Corberan at the start of the season and now they sit below us.
I was on the Palace site earlier and some fans were saying that winless streak from November last year would never happen under Pulis.We see that here one thing with Pulis he knows how to stop a bad run.They have dropped from 5th -14th in 3months
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 28, 2016, 08:08:30 PM
Game against Palace shows what we can achieve when we dont just lump it field.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 28, 2016, 08:27:43 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on February 28, 2016, 08:08:30 PM
Game against Palace shows what we can achieve when we dont just lump it field.
Hope Pulis sticks to how we played against Palace and doesn't revert to his usual tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 28, 2016, 08:55:01 PM
Much better - I hope Pulis bottles that approach. It was so refreshing to see an Albion side with the intention of going out and scoring goals. Even in the second half the game was very end to end.

It was great for us to show what we're capable of - that is what makes it so annoying when we revert to ultra negative style which we have been accustomed too.

If Pulis could replicate that sort of ambition weekly then he would have more or less everybody on side. Unfortunately, we know in a couple of weeks time, yesterdays performance will have been a rarity and we will have resorted to type.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 28, 2016, 08:59:47 PM
Yes, we have accumulated some points. Billy Bremner once wrote a book called "You get nowt for finishing second" . Neither do you get any trophies for finishing 13th or 14th out of 20. Apart from a few million into the clubs coffers, I know, but supporters do not really see the benefit of that. Sadly, my last major trophy visit came in the league Cup final 1970, which we lost , but I still remember all the details. Grinding out points to finish below half way is fairly forgettable in my opinion. The great escape was exciting at the time, but the novelty has worn off for me.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2016, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on February 28, 2016, 08:59:47 PM
Yes, we have accumulated some points. Billy Bremner once wrote a book called "You get nowt for finishing second" . Neither do you get any trophies for finishing 13th or 14th out of 20. Apart from a few million into the clubs coffers, I know, but supporters do not really see the benefit of that. Sadly, my last major trophy visit came in the league Cup final 1970, which we lost , but I still remember all the details. Grinding out points to finish below half way is fairly forgettable in my opinion. The great escape was exciting at the time, but the novelty has worn off for me.   

I'm glad there was no forum from 1986 to about 1999.  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 28, 2016, 09:24:33 PM
I still went every week in those days. There was still a local feel to the club, and we did have a Wembley win in 1993, which I took my whole family to. You felt you were needed as a supporter, and also as a shareholder. The club needed money and it was the diehards who provided it. The trip to Wembley with 55,000 Albion fans was a kind of reward.
We can play to an empty stadium now and we would still make a profit. So 13th or 14th every season, and keeping the TV money coming in is the name of the game, but modern history will show us to be largely anonymous as a club. Even Birmingham City have won something since we last did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2016, 09:32:29 PM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on February 28, 2016, 09:24:33 PM
I still went every week in those days. There was still a local feel to the club, and we did have a Wembley win in 1993, which I took my whole family to. You felt you were needed as a supporter, and also as a shareholder. The club needed money and it was the diehards who provided it. The trip to Wembley with 55,000 Albion fans was a kind of reward.
We can play to an empty stadium now and we would still make a profit. So 13th or 14th every season, and keeping the TV money coming in is the name of the game, but modern history will show us to be largely anonymous as a club. Even Birmingham City have won something since we last did.

I was also at Wembley in 93 albeit as a 12 year old. Point being it was a disgrace we were in a Division 2 (3) play-off final in the first place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 28, 2016, 10:07:48 PM
the 92-93 season albeit in a lower league was one of the best seasons I've ever had following albion away, away games were like home games with our following, throw in blackpool and Bournemouth for fun days out and the best fancy dress ever at Rotherham you'd think it couldn't be topped.
then we had the great night against Swansea at the hawthorns followed by a trip to Wembley.
I can honestly say it was brilliant.
cheers ossie.
forgot to add we still couldn't beat stoke even with 6000 of us at the Victoria ground.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 28, 2016, 10:11:02 PM
They were dark days to be sure, and yet enjoyable in some ways. A lot of Wolves fans say they enjoyed their season in League 1 a couple of years ago, far more than the years in the PL.
I would go along with the idea of being a premier league club if we played good football, or even allowed others to. Yesterday was a relief from the bulk of the seasons tactics of time wasting and trying to stop the other team playing. But the ambition remains to be no higher than half way, and to avoid cups or Europe. It is cups and Europe that the fans want I think?     I just can't quite see the point of it all from a supporters viewpoint. As I said, if the club needed us it would be different, but they don't, other than to sell food, drinks and shirts to.

I hate to see us finish in relegation positions, but at least that creates an ambition for the next season that is tangible and realistic (and enjoyable if you succeed because we see more wins than losses)
   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 28, 2016, 10:23:01 PM
Some interesting trips to Chester, Exeter (coming back from 2-0 down) and Mansfield are vivid memories.

I think we were the highest scorers in the four divisions, so it was entertaining despite the perceived lower standard.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 28, 2016, 10:56:45 PM
The ambition is to finish as high as possible, same for every club at the start of the season.  It's just extremely difficult to win trophies and\or league titles.  I'm pretty sure if you asked anyone at the club would you rather finish 12th or 6th, they'd all say 6th.  I don't know what you mean about avoid cups or Europe.  Firstly, it's a bit laughable to talk about Europe but there is no way we'd not want to achieve that, and as for avoiding cups I didn't see us fielding a weakened side this season. 

I just don't get this whole "I'd rather see us down a division or two" stuff.  Some Wolves fans might have said that they enjoyed being in League 1 but I don't know a single dingle (lol) that wouldn't swap places with us. 

The complaint about "not showing ambition" is one we need to apply to ourselves if we're happy with our lot being scrambling around in the Championship - where's the ambition in wanting a repeat of a Division 2 play-off final?  What's the point in competing in the league\cup if we're going to be unhappy at where we get to.  That seems a massive lack of ambition to me.

Don't take this personally by the way, I understand the whole 'fallen out of love with football' thing, but, why not go and support a local team that is around the division\league position you want to watch while just keeping an eye on the Albion scores?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 28, 2016, 10:57:26 PM
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-02-28/west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-deserves-praise-not-criticism-from-fans/

I didn't write it, did you Jacko?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 28, 2016, 11:18:41 PM
A certain Irish bookies are offering us to go down now at 75/1 incase anymore fancies £20 on it and thus make certain we'll survive?

What Pulis does is horrible to watch and I feel we've been seriously lucky on occasion. But it works.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2016, 11:59:11 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 28, 2016, 10:57:26 PM
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-02-28/west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-deserves-praise-not-criticism-from-fans/

I didn't write it, did you Jacko?  ;D

Not me mate.   :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 29, 2016, 12:03:36 AM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on February 28, 2016, 11:18:41 PM
A certain Irish bookies are offering us to go down now at 75/1 incase anymore fancies £20 on it and thus make certain we'll survive?

What Pulis does is horrible to watch and I feel we've been seriously lucky on occasion. But it works.

Like I said the other day you don't get lucky for 20 years.

This is turning out to be a superb season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on February 29, 2016, 04:16:28 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 28, 2016, 10:57:26 PM
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-02-28/west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-deserves-praise-not-criticism-from-fans/

I didn't write it, did you Jacko?  ;D

That's an interesting and thought provoking piece. The point about how shambolic we were before he came is a good one.

I've become disenchanted with football, and TP's general style of play certainly doesn't help, but there's no doubt he has worked something of a miracle results wise over the last twelve months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 29, 2016, 05:37:02 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 28, 2016, 10:57:26 PM
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-02-28/west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-deserves-praise-not-criticism-from-fans/

I didn't write it, did you Jacko?  ;D
Agree with every word. Hated how some fans reviled Megson, and hate the vitriol directed at TP by the MINORITY.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on February 29, 2016, 07:12:45 AM
The lad who wrote that article is a complete idiot, he was on Twitter a couple of weeks ago wanting Pulis out. I'm sure he writes and tweets the opposite of what the mood is just to get a response like a lot of so called journalists. He really is a cretin and not well liked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 29, 2016, 08:57:33 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on February 29, 2016, 07:12:45 AM
The lad who wrote that article is a complete idiot, he was on Twitter a couple of weeks ago wanting Pulis out. I'm sure he writes and tweets the opposite of what the mood is just to get a response like a lot of so called journalists. He really is a cretin and not well liked.
I've just read back through his tweets and don't see him wanting Pulis out, can you point it out?  Reading them, he's been just as critical of poor team selections and the dreadful performances as any of us but I haven't seen him say he wants Pulis out or even anything that controversial. 

By the way, anyone sene MOYE666 around?  I hope he's ok.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on February 29, 2016, 09:27:48 AM
A lot have been deleted, look at some of the comments he's had about making his mind up, lots  of people have had heated discussions with him over the season.... I respect anyone's opinion that's what makes the game but he does antagonise lots of our fans. I didn't see him writing his blog after Reading.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 29, 2016, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: weareblueweare white on February 28, 2016, 08:27:43 PM
Hope Pulis sticks to how we played against Palace and doesn't revert to his usual tactics.
But he did revert to his usual tactics in the 75 min when he took Sess off and we were left hanging on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 29, 2016, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on February 28, 2016, 08:55:01 PM
Much better - I hope Pulis bottles that approach. It was so refreshing to see an Albion side with the intention of going out and scoring goals. Even in the second half the game was very end to end.

It was great for us to show what we're capable of - that is what makes it so annoying when we revert to ultra negative style which we have been accustomed too.

If Pulis could replicate that sort of ambition weekly then he would have more or less everybody on side. Unfortunately, we know in a couple of weeks time, yesterdays performance will have been a rarity and we will have resorted to type.
Doesn't even need to be every week Liam, there are certain games where a cautious approach is warranted, all we want is a bit of ambition in certain games, especially at home.
If we see 4 or 5 performances like that between now and the end of the season, at least it gives us hope that we will see more attacking intent next season. If we revert to type and this becomes another one off, like West Ham last year, then it changes nothing for me.
Play the same front 3 against Leicester, and let them play as a front 3 rather than auxiliary defenders, and we could see a good open game of football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 29, 2016, 12:01:29 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on February 29, 2016, 10:37:04 AM
Doesn't even need to be every week Liam, there are certain games where a cautious approach is warranted, all we want is a bit of ambition in certain games, especially at home.
If we see 4 or 5 performances like that between now and the end of the season, at least it gives us hope that we will see more attacking intent next season. If we revert to type and this becomes another one off, like West Ham last year, then it changes nothing for me.
Play the same front 3 against Leicester, and let them play as a front 3 rather than auxiliary defenders, and we could see a good open game of football.

This is where I have always been with Pulis, I even can see the logic of sitting deep against Leicester denying their forwards the space to run in behind our back four (remember seeing a good game of football is entirely secondary to grinding out results) but not at the expense of completely neutering us as an attacking force.

Ultimately the players for Saturday's first half have been available all season but rarely have they been deployed effectively although to be fair few opponents have obliged by being so tactically naive as Palace were in the 1st half.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 29, 2016, 12:22:23 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 29, 2016, 12:01:29 PM
This is where I have always been with Pulis, I even can see the logic of sitting deep against Leicester denying their forwards the space to run in behind our back four (remember seeing a good game of football is entirely secondary to grinding out results) but not at the expense of completely neutering us as an attacking force.

Ultimately the players for Saturday's first half have been available all season but rarely have they been deployed effectively although to be fair few opponents have obliged by being so tactically naive as Palace were in the 1st half.

That's true, I think the focal point of all this has been Berahino.  He just hasn't looked fit or bothered about playing until now.  I mean, he ran further than any player on the pitch Saturday, that's some work rate he got through. 

Without him up there then playing 2 up top with Rondon + Slow Anchibi or Slower Lambert will cause us too many problems. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 29, 2016, 12:44:13 PM
For me, Saturday only means I'm more frustrated because it shows we have the talent and ability to play really good football when we try. I still don't think Pulis is the man to take us forward long term, as we only ever get about 1 match like this in 10.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 29, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 29, 2016, 12:01:29 PM
This is where I have always been with Pulis, I even can see the logic of sitting deep against Leicester denying their forwards the space to run in behind our back four (remember seeing a good game of football is entirely secondary to grinding out results) but not at the expense of completely neutering us as an attacking force.

Ultimately the players for Saturday's first half have been available all season but rarely have they been deployed effectively although to be fair few opponents have obliged by being so tactically naive as Palace were in the 1st half.

IMO this was a big factor, looking at Arsenal yesterday, Pardew & Wenger must have the same defensive textbook.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggyman68 on February 29, 2016, 03:46:52 PM
I thought we were well in control until brunt went off and olsen had his brain storm. If Saidos shot had been 6 inches lower the game would have petered out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 29, 2016, 04:00:10 PM
Sorry just reminded me of this all time classic,

baggies fan to Tony Butler - BRMB radio

"Well Tone, Bomber brown had a shot today, if it had gone in the net, it would have been a goal"

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 29, 2016, 10:11:51 PM
So just to confirm, does the performance on Saturday now mean that people can no longer play the "but we don't have the players to play good football" card if and when we start to park the bus again?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 29, 2016, 10:18:55 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on February 29, 2016, 10:11:51 PM
So just to confirm, does the performance on Saturday now mean that people can no longer play the "but we don't have the players to play good football" card if and when we start to park the bus again?

Oh.  You're being serious.  There's a couple of answers...

1) Yes, we can't use that card again if it means we don't hear the "Pulis won't play attacking football", "Pulis won't play Berahino", "Pulis won't play Chester", etc etc again as well.  You can't have it both ways.

Or mainly...

2) The biggest difference is the attitude of Berahino.  If Berahino had the same attitude during the previous half of season that he did on Saturday things would have been a lot different.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on February 29, 2016, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on February 29, 2016, 10:33:56 AM
But he did revert to his usual tactics in the 75 min when he took Sess off and we were left hanging on.

Nearly every other manager in the league would have made that change. 2 goals clear and bring a hardworking midfielder on for a tiring playmaker to protect a lead.

Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 01, 2016, 05:24:03 PM
To be fair to TP, Jonas's aberration and a wonder strike were not something he could have anticipated.

For once we (Me included) have to cut him some slack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 01, 2016, 11:06:04 PM
7 points out of 9 when it counts. Will all the selfish supporters that are only thinking about their own entertainment please shutn up now? Please, just stop it. We all know that it it's ugly football but we're safe with 10 games to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 01, 2016, 11:09:15 PM
We must do everything we can to keep him :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 01, 2016, 11:10:06 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on March 01, 2016, 11:06:04 PM
7 points out of 9 when it counts. Will all the selfish supporters that are only thinking about their own entertainment please shutn up now? Please, just stop it. We all know that it it's ugly football but we're safe with 10 games to go.

Well...no. If you think that the performances leading up to the criticism were acceptable then that's your right, but for those who went to the games at Reading, Newcastle, Palace etc, they were certainly not acceptable.

There needs to be a balance. I don't think it is unreasonable for fans to expect a level of entertainment and passion from watching their team which has been severely lacking at times this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on March 01, 2016, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on March 01, 2016, 11:10:06 PM
Well...no. If you think that the performances leading up to the criticism were acceptable then that's your right, but for those who went to the games at Reading, Newcastle, Palace etc, they were certainly not acceptable.

There needs to be a balance. I don't think it is unreasonable for fans to expect a level of entertainment and passion from watching their team which has been severely lacking at times this season.

"At times" is right but we have played quite well "at times" too.
Should have been playing against 10 for most of the game and getting results without Evans is good. If we had a left sided player with any intent and skill the current line up going forward would actually look half decent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 01, 2016, 11:34:13 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on March 01, 2016, 11:30:17 PM
"At times" is right but we have played quite well "at times" too.
Should have been playing against 10 for most of the game and getting results without Evans is good. If we had a left sided player with any intent and skill the current line up going forward would actually look half decent.

Prior to the Palace (home) game those times have been too few and far between.

Hopefully this is the turning of a corner and we demonstrate enough  in the coming weeks that Pulis is the man to take us forward and it won't always be a team of 4 centre backs, 5 central midfielders and a striker next season, but I feel everyone was fully justified to criticise for the tactics he has employed of late.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 01, 2016, 11:54:30 PM
credit to pulis for the way he's set the team up for the last two matches, far more adventurous and attacking. keep it going tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 01, 2016, 11:57:17 PM
We are starting to attack a bit more.
Pulis now should look at where he started the build up...The defence.
The aged members need to be replaced with quicker reacting players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 02, 2016, 12:14:39 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on March 01, 2016, 11:10:06 PM
Well...no. If you think that the performances leading up to the criticism were acceptable then that's your right, but for those who went to the games at Reading, Newcastle, Palace etc, they were certainly not acceptable.

There needs to be a balance. I don't think it is unreasonable for fans to expect a level of entertainment and passion from watching their team which has been severely lacking at times this season.
There is.

Sometimes (like the last two games) we look very good, and other times we can look awful (Newcastle, Palace etc). We're not a top 6 team and are very inconsistent with our style, but to make out our season has been a string of awful performances is just as wrong as saying it's been a string of good performances too, it's mostly been a mixed bag.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 07:06:13 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on March 01, 2016, 11:06:04 PM
7 points out of 9 when it counts. Will all the selfish supporters that are only thinking about their own entertainment please shutn up now? Please, just stop it. We all know that it it's ugly football but we're safe with 10 games to go.
The criticism of Pulis has been spot on in my opinion. The standard of football was, for the most parts, shocking and in my opinion (and many others) unecessary. His well built reputation was that it was unlikely to get any better. Interestingly,  he has had conversations with Peace about his future and the last two games have been more entertaining and attacking (with excellent results) than the majority of the season (with less of his favourite players available). If he continues in this manner, few will have reason to criticise; if he reverts to type then any future criticism is justified.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on March 02, 2016, 07:09:13 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 07:06:13 AM
The criticism of Pulis has been spot on in my opinion. The standard of football was, for the most parts, shocking and in my opinion (and many others) unecessary. His well built reputation was that it was unlikely to get any better. Interestingly,  he has had conversations with Peace about his future and the last two games have been more entertaining and attacking (with excellent results) than the majority of the season (with less of his favourite players available). If he continues in this manner, few will have reason to criticise; if he reverts to type then any future criticism is justified.

Spot on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pauly414 on March 02, 2016, 07:30:11 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on March 01, 2016, 11:06:04 PM
7 points out of 9 when it counts. Will all the selfish supporters that are only thinking about their own entertainment please shutn up now? Please, just stop it. We all know that it it's ugly football but we're safe with 10 games to go.

Selfish for wanting to see our team try to have some passion and intent. If you're happy to pay £400+ a season for ugly football, but be happy as long as we're safe then fine, if you're the chairman maybe!! But it is not what most ordinary paying fans want and that's what the most frustrating thing is this whole season, the fact that we can play decent stuff when set up to but the majority of games so far there has been too much negativity in the tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on March 02, 2016, 08:07:32 AM
Our squad isn't that good now you can blame Pulis for that or Peace or the scouting system but the fact is i don't see to many managers we could get that would have kept us up this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 02, 2016, 08:38:42 AM
Quote from: KYA on March 02, 2016, 08:07:32 AM
Our squad isn't that good now you can blame Pulis for that or Peace or the scouting system but the fact is i don't see to many managers we could get that would have kept us up this season.

I honestly don't think that is the case it stacks up with most teams that are going to finish in the bottom half of the division and therefore don't see our continued survival in the division as some sort of miracle. The fact that we have played with a bit more attacking intent in the last two games and got two good results exposes the lie that we can't do it any other way than Pulisball. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 02, 2016, 08:45:00 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 07:06:13 AM
The criticism of Pulis has been spot on in my opinion. The standard of football was, for the most parts, shocking and in my opinion (and many others) unecessary. His well built reputation was that it was unlikely to get any better. Interestingly,  he has had conversations with Peace about his future and the last two games have been more entertaining and attacking (with excellent results) than the majority of the season (with less of his favourite players available). If he continues in this manner, few will have reason to criticise; if he reverts to type then any future criticism is justified.

Excellent post.

I have shared elsewhere, hope you dont mind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 02, 2016, 09:21:14 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 02, 2016, 08:45:00 AM
Excellent post.

I have shared elsewhere, hope you dont mind.

Totally agree with all of this.

The last two games have shown that we simply don't need to play games where we go out with no intent.  Even without Morrison, Brunt and Evans we can try to play football and get results.

If the intent shown in the last two games was more typical, then nobody would be clamouring for Pulis to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on March 02, 2016, 09:29:08 AM
I didn't want Pulis and wont shed a tear when he goes, but come on 36 points ay bad for a so called rubbish manager who don't play attacking football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on March 02, 2016, 09:29:40 AM
Maybe Tones even surprised himself.
Rondon and Chester are starting to look like they might be worth the shirt.
I wonder if there's anyone else in the dungeon that might be worth having a look at a bit later on in the season when the pressure should be off?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 02, 2016, 09:40:48 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on March 02, 2016, 09:21:14 AM
Totally agree with all of this.

The last two games have shown that we simply don't need to play games where we go out with no intent.  Even without Morrison, Brunt and Evans we can try to play football and get results.

If the intent shown in the last two games was more typical, then nobody would be clamouring for Pulis to go.

Precisely so. I was in favour of his appointment, and am still glad that we did appoint him as he was exactly what we needed after the shocking appointment of Irvine (did we actually appoint that guy?!), but there had to be more than just the survival and putting in as many non-performances as we have done over the past few months.

It will be interesting to see how he approaches it in the run in with the pressure effectively off us now (if people are writing the Villa off when they are 8 points behind, we are surely safe being 12 points clear of the relegation zone).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 02, 2016, 09:47:25 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on March 02, 2016, 09:29:08 AM
I didn't want Pulis and wont shed a tear when he goes, but come on 36 points ay bad for a so called rubbish manager who don't play attacking football.

Indeed. A few weeks ago you were all moaning about 4 center backs starting a game  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on March 02, 2016, 10:06:48 AM
Interesting snippet from the pre match conference where he praised 'whoever is in charge of recruitment' at Leicester. Perhaps he really is buying into the DoF model for the summer and will put faith in someone else to handle recruitment????
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 02, 2016, 10:18:54 AM
Oh for the return of Dan Ashworth  ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on March 02, 2016, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on March 02, 2016, 10:06:48 AM
Interesting snippet from the pre match conference where he praised 'whoever is in charge of recruitment' at Leicester. Perhaps he really is buying into the DoF model for the summer and will put faith in someone else to handle recruitment????

More chance of knitting fog
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 07:06:13 AM
The criticism of Pulis has been spot on in my opinion. The standard of football was, for the most parts, shocking and in my opinion (and many others) unecessary. His well built reputation was that it was unlikely to get any better. Interestingly,  he has had conversations with Peace about his future and the last two games have been more entertaining and attacking (with excellent results) than the majority of the season (with less of his favourite players available). If he continues in this manner, few will have reason to criticise; if he reverts to type then any future criticism is justified.

Criticism of Pulis is justified at times, what is not justified is some of the ' get the fcuk out of my club' type comments that have been prevalent from quite a few posters.

Those of us that asked for patience have on the whole been justified. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on March 02, 2016, 11:24:27 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on March 02, 2016, 10:06:48 AM
Interesting snippet from the pre match conference where he praised 'whoever is in charge of recruitment' at Leicester. Perhaps he really is buying into the DoF model for the summer and will put faith in someone else to handle recruitment????
i am sure their head scout went to Arsenal a month or two back
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on March 02, 2016, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on March 02, 2016, 09:21:14 AM
Totally agree with all of this.

The last two games have shown that we simply don't need to play games where we go out with no intent.  Even without Morrison, Brunt and Evans we can try to play football and get results.

If the intent shown in the last two games was more typical, then nobody would be clamouring for Pulis to go.

We've had long spells in the past under Hodgson and Clarke without Morrison and Brunt and still managed to do well. They may well be seen as key players but as you say we've shown in the last 2 games that with a different approach we can get results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on March 02, 2016, 12:52:59 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
Criticism of Pulis is justified at times, what is not justified is some of the ' get the fcuk out of my club' type comments that have been prevalent from quite a few posters.

Those of us that asked for patience have on the whole been justified. ;)
Justified in terms of results, but don't think that has been the major point of conjecture. In terms of performance the bad far outweigh the good, over the course of this season. That being said, we have seen some improvement this week, but that is only 2 games.
The worry is that, if he is still here, we start next season on 0 points and the magic 40 will be the target yet again and we will have to get there by hook or by crook, or should I say by hoof or by craft?
Do I think we will stay up if he stays - yes. Do I think we will do it in a more attractive manner - probably not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 02, 2016, 01:12:21 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on March 02, 2016, 12:35:44 PM
We've had long spells in the past under Hodgson and Clarke without Morrison and Brunt and still managed to do well. They may well be seen as key players but as you say we've shown in the last 2 games that with a different approach we can get results.
Who else was in the Hodgson\Clarke teams? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 02, 2016, 01:15:15 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on March 02, 2016, 12:52:59 PM
Justified in terms of results, but don't think that has been the major point of conjecture. In terms of performance the bad far outweigh the good, over the course of this season. That being said, we have seen some improvement this week, but that is only 2 games.
The worry is that, if he is still here, we start next season on 0 points and the magic 40 will be the target yet again and we will have to get there by hook or by crook, or should I say by hoof or by craft?
Do I think we will stay up if he stays - yes. Do I think we will do it in a more attractive manner - probably not.

Curious. In the 8 Premier League seasons before Pulis was hired, West Brom only reached 40 points in 3 of those seasons.

If you were regularly reaching 50 or 60 points I would understand. But you're yet to reach the 50 point mark. (If Pulis keeps up 1.4 points per game he could do it this season.)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on March 02, 2016, 01:18:37 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 02, 2016, 01:15:15 PM
Curious. In the 8 Premier League seasons before Pulis was hired, West Brom only reached 40 points in 3 of those seasons.

If you were regularly reaching 50 or 60 points I would understand. But you're yet to reach the 50 point mark. (If Pulis keeps up 1.4 points per game he could do it this season.)

Literally no one is saying we dont want the points but, as you well know, it is mostly torturous getting them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 02, 2016, 01:24:52 PM
Was it so tortuous when Hodgson did the same thing? Both him and Pulis were in a position where they had to rebuild West Brom and keep them in the top league for a few seasons.

If it was any other head coach and not Pulis the moaners wouldn't be as bothered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 02, 2016, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 02, 2016, 01:24:52 PM
If it was any other head coach and not Pulis the moaners wouldn't be as bothered.
If you are suggesting fans who don't like Pulis have a personal vendetta against him why did a majority of Stoke fans have the same feeling towards his style during the end of his tenure?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on March 02, 2016, 01:31:48 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on March 02, 2016, 01:12:21 PM
Who else was in the Hodgson\Clarke teams?

Foster, McAuley and Olsson regularly. Dawson occasionally.

Morrison wasn't a regular under Hodgson and during our best spell upto Xmas under Clarke, Brunt spent a lot of that time on the bench.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 02, 2016, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on March 02, 2016, 01:30:39 PM
If you are suggesting fans who don't like Pulis have a personal vendetta against him why did a majority of Stoke fans have the same feeling towards his style during the end of his tenure?

The 'majority' as you call it are in the same category. The people that didn't want him way back in 2002. The editor of the Fanzine even went on record to say "I don't care who the new manager is as long as it's not Tony Pulis."

The real majority had no vendetta and thanked him for turning the club around. But that won't suit your argument will it  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on March 02, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
Surely staying up is the primary goal? Attractive football is great and all but attractive football doesn't last, it doesn't always work and it only takes looking back to the Mowbray days to see that you can play fancy football and not get anything from games. Look at Swansea and Palace last year. Many of us would wanna swap with them last year watching good football and a decent league position. Who'd wanna swap now with both struggling?

Mark my words, swapping premier league safety as a minimum for attractive football won't do us any good. We miss out on the TV money for a season or two and we fall well behind those that get it. Pulis football isn't always the best to watch, but it's better than consigning yourself to being left behind for fancy football. Ideally you can have safety and style, but if you have to prioritise it's safety.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 02, 2016, 01:52:28 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 02, 2016, 01:49:04 PM
The 'majority' as you call it are in the same category. The people that didn't want him way back in 2002. The editor of the Fanzine even went on record to say "I don't care who the new manager is as long as it's not Tony Pulis."

The real majority had no vendetta and thanked him for turning the club around. But that won't suit your argument will it  :)
I'm not saying Stoke fans had a vandetta, quite the opposite, you are labeling Albions fans who are against Pulis's style as having a personal vendetta yet there were many many Stoke fans who felt exactly the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on March 02, 2016, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 02, 2016, 01:15:15 PM
Curious. In the 8 Premier League seasons before Pulis was hired, West Brom only reached 40 points in 3 of those seasons.

If you were regularly reaching 50 or 60 points I would understand. But you're yet to reach the 50 point mark. (If Pulis keeps up 1.4 points per game he could do it this season.)
You  completely missed the point. My worry is that, when we go back to 0 points, the style will revert to ultra defensive in order to reach 40. I have no problem with the target, it is the methods used to attain it that is questionable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 01:58:34 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on March 02, 2016, 12:52:59 PM
Justified in terms of results, but don't think that has been the major point of conjecture. In terms of performance the bad far outweigh the good, over the course of this season. That being said, we have seen some improvement this week, but that is only 2 games.
The worry is that, if he is still here, we start next season on 0 points and the magic 40 will be the target yet again and we will have to get there by hook or by crook, or should I say by hoof or by craft?
Do I think we will stay up if he stays - yes. Do I think we will do it in a more attractive manner - probably not.

This is what you said less than two weeks ago;

No-one looks good in a Pulis side, they are just brainwashed into his prehistoric ethos and anyone who disagrees is banished. No freedom on the pitch just rigid, turgid unadventurous dross. We haven'tseen much of either Gamboa or Chester, but is there anyone on here who thinks Chester is a better Right Back?
its not too late for us to survive Pulis but, unless we act quickly, it may well be terminal.

Two weeks is a long time in football, patience is a virtue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 02:01:34 PM
Quote from: KYA on March 02, 2016, 08:07:32 AM
Our squad isn't that good now you can blame Pulis for that or Peace or the scouting system but the fact is i don't see to many managers we could get that would have kept us up this season.
Our squad clearly is good enough and it could be argued that it is made to look worse by Pulis insistence on playing players out of position and in a style that is difficult to showcase their talent.
(That doesn't mean it could not be improved upon. I do agree that a number of players may have passed their peak)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 02:01:34 PM
Our squad clearly is good enough and it could be argued that it is made to look worse by Pulis insistence on playing players out of position and in a style that is difficult to showcase their talent.
(That doesn't mean it could not be improved upon. I do agree that a number of players may have passed their peak)

The investment in the squad has been minimal for several seasons, the ageing defence needs major surgery even though I'm sure we all want to see investment in forward players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
Criticism of Pulis is justified at times, what is not justified is some of the ' get the fcuk out of my club' type comments that have been prevalent from quite a few posters.

Those of us that asked for patience have on the whole been justified. ;)

I agree, personally I have never called for his head (but agreed I wouldn't shed a tear when he left). I would suggest though two swallow don't make a summer. It might be argued that the criticism has brought about the change in philosophy and there is no guarantee that the change will continue.

I hope it does.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 02:11:55 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 02:04:35 PM
The investment in the squad has been minimal for several seasons, the ageing defence needs major surgery even though I'm sure we all want to see investment in forward players.
Remove McAuley and Olsson, what is the average age of the players classed as defenders in our squad?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on March 02, 2016, 02:22:07 PM
I dont think our squad is that poor either.

Foster is a top goalkeeper. Berahino is a player teams are willing to offer over 20 million for and Evans is a top quality centre back.

We also have the likes of Rondon, Yacob, Dawson, Morrison, Fletcher and Sess (on his day) in our ranks who are all no slouches and definitely not relegation standard players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 02, 2016, 02:23:46 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 02:01:34 PM
Our squad clearly is good enough and it could be argued that it is made to look worse by Pulis insistence on playing players out of position and in a style that is difficult to showcase their talent.
(That doesn't mean it could not be improved upon. I do agree that a number of players may have passed their peak)

It *could* be argued yes.  It could also be argued that he's got an aging squad in mid table and looking nailed on for survival way ahead of schedule. 

Remember, we've not had Berahino most of this season, we've not had Foster either and we've had quite a number of other injuries.  Looking at the league table I think we've done alright to get where we are. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 02, 2016, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on March 02, 2016, 02:22:07 PM
I dont think our squad is that poor either.

Foster is a top goalkeeper. Berahino is a player teams are willing to offer over 20 million for and Evans is a top quality centre back.

We also have the likes of Rondon, Dawson, Morrison, Fletcher and Sess (on his day) in our ranks who are all no slouches and definitely not relegation standard players.

Berahino hasn't looked interested until the last couple of games.  It's no coincidence that we've looked much better when he wants to play.
Foster has been missing most of the season.
Evans has picked up injuries.
Morrison the same.
Sess isn't the most consistant.
Rondon has done ok as he's been isolated a lot due to the aforementioned Berahino attitide.  None of our other 2 strikers are anywhere near good enough.
Dawson has done well at right back but you still see fans moan that we're playing players out of position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on March 02, 2016, 02:27:09 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on March 02, 2016, 02:25:36 PM
Berahino hasn't looked interested until the last couple of games.  It's no coincidence that we've looked much better when he wants to play.
Foster has been missing most of the season.
Evans has picked up injuries.
Morrison the same.
Sess isn't the most consistant.
Rondon has done ok as he's been isolated a lot due to the aforementioned Berahino attitide.  None of our other 2 strikers are anywhere near good enough.
Dawson has done well at right back but you still see fans moan that we're playing players out of position.

Thats kindof my point though really. That next year with a fit again Morrison and Foster and some wise Berahino investment (assuming we sell him) we can potentially have a strong season regardless of who our manager is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on March 02, 2016, 02:31:05 PM
I am very happy with how we have approached the last two games and the points from them show that the ultra defensive isnt the only way.

We have let the handbrake off and allowed the players to offer more than just getting behind the ball and defending and sucking the life out the games, at times we played some good positive football and if that was the sign of things to come more often than not then i would have no gripes with Pulis at all.

We have got to 36 points and he deserves credit for that in itself and as much as i have got annoyed at times this season with our approach, i have always praised him when he deserved it and the last two games i think he has shown some confidence in the players and they have repaid the faith.

We are pretty much safe now so with 10 games to go, the last two games should be the benchmark for how we go about things, only time will tell if we do or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 02, 2016, 02:35:05 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on March 02, 2016, 02:27:09 PM
Thats kindof my point though really. That next year with a fit again Morrison and Foster and some wise Berahino investment (assuming we sell him) we can potentially have a strong season regardless of who our manager is.
I agree, a lot will depend on the Berahino money really.  We're losing a £20m player and realistically we need to replace him, Anichibi and Lambert.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on March 02, 2016, 02:50:42 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 01:58:34 PM
This is what you said less than two weeks ago;

No-one looks good in a Pulis side, they are just brainwashed into his prehistoric ethos and anyone who disagrees is banished. No freedom on the pitch just rigid, turgid unadventurous dross. We haven'tseen much of either Gamboa or Chester, but is there anyone on here who thinks Chester is a better Right Back?
its not too late for us to survive Pulis but, unless we act quickly, it may well be terminal.

Two weeks is a long time in football, patience is a virtue.
Not sure of your point but I will re-iterate mine.
2 weeks ago and for pretty much the whole of this season we have played awful football, this I do not like, regardless of results. The last 2 games have shown some improvement, which I do like.
My concern is that, once we start the new season on zero points, Pulis will revert to type and continue with the turgid, unadventurous dross as mentioned above until we get near to the mythical 40. I hope this is not the case and what we have seen this week is the sign of things to come. I am not convinced. Nor am I patient. If I am wrong, however, I will be happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 03:08:35 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on March 02, 2016, 02:50:42 PM
Not sure of your point but I will re-iterate mine.
2 weeks ago and for pretty much the whole of this season we have played awful football, this I do not like, regardless of results. The last 2 games have shown some improvement, which I do like.
My concern is that, once we start the new season on zero points, Pulis will revert to type and continue with the turgid, unadventurous dross as mentioned above until we get near to the mythical 40. I hope this is not the case and what we have seen this week is the sign of things to come. I am not convinced. Nor am I patient. If I am wrong, however, I will be happy.

My point is, fans need to be patient because the playing squad is going through a transformation, wanting Tony Pulis's head on a stick after every bad result is not helpful and in my opinion helped towards the coin throwing incident as fans clambered to get themselves more and more worked up.

Patience is required whether its your bag or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on March 02, 2016, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 03:08:35 PM
My point is, fans need to be patient because the playing squad is going through a transformation, wanting Tony Pulis's head on a stick after every bad result is not helpful and in my opinion helped towards the coin throwing incident as fans clambered to get themselves more and more worked up.

Patience is required whether its your bag or not.
The playing squad hasn't changed in the last 2 weeks though, the approach has. People want his head on a stick when he sets up ultra defensively. If you are right and we are in transition, and the last 2 weeks are a green shoot to the future, then I'm happy to be patient. Unfortunately, we have had false dawns before and nothing in his past suggests it will be different come August..

Regardless of my opinion on Pulis, I will not be throwing coins anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on March 02, 2016, 03:34:30 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on March 02, 2016, 03:26:10 PM
The playing squad hasn't changed in the last 2 weeks though, the approach has. People want his head on a stick when he sets up ultra defensively. If you are right and we are in transition, and the last 2 weeks are a green shoot to the future, then I'm happy to be patient. Unfortunately, we have had false dawns before and nothing in his past suggests it will be different come August..

Regardless of my opinion on Pulis, I will not be throwing coins anytime soon.

I totally agree. The last 2 games have seen a big improvement but we saw similar v West Ham and Chelsea last season but still reverted to type. It will be interesting to see how we approach the Norwich, Sunderland and Watford games. We are as good as safe so no reason not to go out in these games in a positive manner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2016, 03:52:08 PM
The way those replies have been coming in...Should he get a knighthood?  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 02, 2016, 04:02:36 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 03:08:35 PM
My point is, fans need to be patient because the playing squad is going through a transformation, wanting Tony Pulis's head on a stick after every bad result is not helpful and in my opinion helped towards the coin throwing incident as fans clambered to get themselves more and more worked up.

Patience is required whether its your bag or not.

If we had lost last night people would not be moaning about Pulisball because the game was entertaining and we had a go and created chances. Having one shot on goal most games is not acceptable and the occasional win only masks how dire the football has been under him. More of the attacking game and he will win me over.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on March 02, 2016, 04:11:01 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on March 02, 2016, 04:02:36 PM
If we had lost last night people would not be moaning about Pulisball because the game was entertaining and we had a go and created chances. Having one shot on goal most games is not acceptable and the occasional win only masks how dire the football has been under him. More of the attacking game and he will win me over.

What does the table look like, W9 D9 L10 Pts 36, it aye to bad is it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 02, 2016, 04:26:30 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on March 02, 2016, 04:02:36 PM
If we had lost last night people would not be moaning about Pulisball because the game was entertaining and we had a go and created chances. Having one shot on goal most games is not acceptable and the occasional win only masks how dire the football has been under him. More of the attacking game and he will win me over.
Did you read the match thread?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 02, 2016, 04:40:54 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on March 02, 2016, 04:11:01 PM
What does the table look like, W9 D9 L10 Pts 36, it aye to bad is it.

I see you have dropped the goals for from the table  ;) Plenty of other stats and tables that show how poor the football has been. I would rather see us drop 3 points in the table and see an improvement in shots per game and goals scored.

Quote from: boinging_along on March 02, 2016, 04:26:30 PM
Did you read the match thread?

No I had it on the radio and I thought we had some decent attacking play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on March 02, 2016, 04:49:22 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on March 02, 2016, 04:40:54 PM
I see you have dropped the goals for from the table  ;) Plenty of other stats and tables that show how poor the football has been. I would rather see us drop 3 points in the table and see an improvement in shots per game and goals scored.

No I had it on the radio and I thought we had some decent attacking play.
Stats mean bugger all, it's points that count, why would any fan want his team to drop 3 points just to see an improvement in the stats? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 02, 2016, 05:05:09 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 02:09:09 PM
I agree, personally I have never called for his head (but agreed I wouldn't shed a tear when he left). I would suggest though two swallow don't make a summer. It might be argued that the criticism has brought about the change in philosophy and there is no guarantee that the change will continue.

I hope it does.
We had two games when we looked good just after Christmas Newcastle and Stoke at home if people really think Pulis will ever change his philosophy on Football then they really are deluded 75% of the time football under Pulis will be pure dirge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 02, 2016, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on March 02, 2016, 04:40:54 PM
No I had it on the radio and I thought we had some decent attacking play.
You'll see comments like "rubbish" and "we are playing shyte" at half time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 02, 2016, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on March 02, 2016, 04:49:22 PM
Stats mean bugger all, it's points that count, why would any fan want his team to drop 3 points just to see an improvement in the stats?
Beyond me
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on March 02, 2016, 05:48:16 PM
Pulis will always divide opinion even from week to week and as much as he obviously knows far more than me i do wonder some games what he's trying to achieve when we can and have played really well under him. I've mentioned before somewhere I met two Stoke fans at a Noel Gallagher gig in the summer and one said he had a party when he left and the other still calls him Sir Tony....and it's the same with us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 05:51:16 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on March 02, 2016, 04:49:22 PM
Stats mean bugger all, it's points that count, why would any fan want his team to drop 3 points just to see an improvement in the stats?
Points are stats  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 02, 2016, 05:52:28 PM
28 games 36 points, bettered in the Premier League only once in 12/13

http://jonwant.com/football/albions-premier-league-season-comparison-28-games/

Like him, hate him, undecided, whatever, he is doing the job he was brought in to do, keep us in this league and earn his bonus, disgruntled fans won't sway him from what he does, he's been around long enough.

Said it before when the meltdown was happening and we had a bit of a losing run, we'll win a few, then lose a few and the cycle starts again.

If he goes wouldn't be too disappointed at all, don't go overboard when we win, don't go meltdown when we lose. For us this is exactly what the leadership want.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 02, 2016, 05:53:06 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 05:51:16 PM
Points are stats  ;)

and realistically the only ones that count and he's not doing too bad with that one is he !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on March 02, 2016, 05:53:06 PM
and realistically the only ones that count and he's not doing too bad with that one is he !!
But most of the argument across the 300+ pages is that for many, they aren't the only ones that count.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 02, 2016, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 05:59:35 PM
But most of the argument across the 300+ pages is that for many, they aren't the only ones that count.

But unfortunately they are. Possession doesn't win you millions at the end of the season. Points do. It would be great to get those points playing lovely attractive football but for this club and I guess others in this league as long as they get enough to stay up they don't care how.

Isn't the Premier League a wonderful thing !!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 02, 2016, 06:06:42 PM
The players really tried yesterday to pass from defence except a few Olson hoofs even too much passing for my liking nearly gave it away in a dangerous position.New Albion, exiting times ahead the moans and coin throw got to Pulis .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 06:17:33 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on March 02, 2016, 06:06:42 PM
The players really tried yesterday to pass from defence except a few Olson hoofs even too much passing for my liking nearly gave it away in a dangerous position.New Albion, exiting times ahead the moans and coin throw got to Pulis .

If you believe that, you will believe anything. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on March 02, 2016, 06:02:23 PM
But unfortunately they are. Possession doesn't win you millions at the end of the season. Points do. It would be great to get those points playing lovely attractive football but for this club and I guess others in this league as long as they get enough to stay up they don't care how.

Isn't the Premier League a wonderful thing !!
Fortunately they are not. People watch and play football all over the world without having to earn loads of money from it. Been doing it for years.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pauly414 on March 02, 2016, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on March 02, 2016, 06:02:23 PM
But unfortunately they are. Possession doesn't win you millions at the end of the season. Points do. It would be great to get those points playing lovely attractive football but for this club and I guess others in this league as long as they get enough to stay up they don't care how.

Isn't the Premier League a wonderful thing !!

Isn't it just, may as well play every game behind closed doors then
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2016, 06:26:46 PM
He has to teach the players how to take throw ins to OUR team.
The amount of times it hands it to the opposition to start attacks is baffling.
They should be told to look around for the unmarked players...They even may be behind him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on March 02, 2016, 06:34:11 PM
This could be the first time in The Premiership that we haven't lost three consecutive league games in a season. It just typifies Pulls, what he's about and the confidence he brings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2016, 06:43:47 PM
It fluctuates during the season, but we are up to 7th.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/form-guide.html

 :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 02, 2016, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2016, 06:22:18 PM
Fortunately they are not. People watch and play football all over the world without having to earn loads of money from it. Been doing it for years.  ;)

Not in the glorious Premier League they don't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 02, 2016, 06:48:40 PM
Quote from: pauly414 on March 02, 2016, 06:23:09 PM
Isn't it just, may as well play every game behind closed doors then

They'd sell tickets to tourists through Ticketmaster and the like and still wouldn't lose money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 02, 2016, 06:53:57 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on March 02, 2016, 06:48:40 PM
They'd sell tickets to tourists through Ticketmaster and the like and still wouldn't lose money

And that's the sad state of reality. As long as you're in the Prem the fans really don't matter, it justifies Pulis ball. I would hope that now we are pretty much safe he will be more adventures in our style of play as objective one is complete.

I f Pulis was to get relegated I would love to see what style he would play in the Championship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on March 02, 2016, 07:00:33 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2016, 06:26:46 PM
He has to teach the players how to take throw ins to OUR team.
The amount of times it hands it to the opposition to start attacks is baffling.
They should be told to look around for the unmarked players...They even may be behind him.

I used to get taken the pi$$ out of for saying this.

Worst in the football league at throw ins.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 07:12:23 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on March 02, 2016, 07:00:33 PM
I used to get taken the pi$$ out of for saying this.

Worst in the football league at throw ins.

You are missing the point, if we lose possession, the players will still be in the correct defensive shape, its all about percentages.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2016, 10:44:39 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 07:12:23 PM
You are missing the point, if we lose possession, the players will still be in the correct defensive shape, its all about percentages.
I beg to differ on some occasions.
If we are up for the corner or set piece, we may be short at the back because the taller defensive players are up in the opponents' half.
The players have to learn to control themselves, after all they are supposed to be professionals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on March 02, 2016, 10:52:40 PM
I guess this is somewhat linked to the debate that generally occurs on here, but I've been reading a book on football tactics called 'Inverting the Pyramid'. If you have even a passing interest in the history of football and the tactical side of the game I highly recommend it.

There seems to be a common theme in the book, like in this thread, regarding the schism between footballing aesthetics and pragmatism. If I ask people of a certain age to name the greatest/best national team of the 70s, many would say the Dutch. But they actually lost in the final of both the 1974 and 1978 World Cups.

There was also a great AC Milan side during the late eighties and early nineties. Again, for people of a certain age, if I mention Sacchi as the manager, many will have fond memories of Ruud Guillet, Ancellotti, Van Basten etc. If I mentioned Fabio Capello, you might not have such fond memories of good football being played. This is despite Capello winning the Scudetto (Italian Top League) four years out of five, and the European Championship too!

The point I'm trying to make is that sometimes playing good football makes you memorable. We remember the football under Mowbray, for example. In some cases, winning is memorable (Alf Ramsey was a firmly pragmatic manager). There's an argument to say that if you are pragmatic then you best be winning games because otherwise there isn't a lot going for your style. The flip side is to say that playing good football isn't useful if you don't win the match!

Clearly Pulis falls into the pragmatist school of thought, and some fans will slate him for it, especially when we lose a couple of games. Other fans will be happy so long as the points tally edges closer to 40 or 50 or whatever points total we deem acceptable. The matches may not be as memorable, the end of season DVD may not be as glamorous, but ultimately for a club our size being in the top league is vital; doubly so now it looks like we will be the only remaining West Midland club in the top flight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on March 02, 2016, 10:56:35 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2016, 10:44:39 PM
I beg to differ on some occasions.
If we are up for the corner or set piece, we may be short at the back because the taller defensive players are up in the opponents' half.
The players have to learn to control themselves, after all they are supposed to be professionals.

I think the general idea is that we aim to make the opposition defence come out of their settled defensive structure for the throw, then look for quick knock-downs and passes to exploit any gaps. I think we used to do the same under Hodgson and I actually contacted Steven Reid on Twitter during a game to ask him about it (he was doing commentary for the WBA official feed). If you play it safe then it lets the opposition keep their structure intact which makes it harder to break down.

There's a school of thought that the best way to create chances is to win the ball as closer to the opposition goal as possible. It's sort of where the long ball and pressing game came from. If you think about our throw ins in this way,  they sort of make sense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2016, 10:44:39 PM
I beg to differ on some occasions.
If we are up for the corner or set piece, we may be short at the back because the taller defensive players are up in the opponents' half.
The players have to learn to control themselves, after all they are supposed to be professionals.

I was sort of being facetious. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 11:06:14 PM
Quote from: MarkW on March 02, 2016, 10:56:35 PM
I think the general idea is that we aim to make the opposition defence come out of their settled defensive structure for the throw, then look for quick knock-downs and passes to exploit any gaps. I think we used to do the same under Hodgson and I actually contacted Steven Reid on Twitter during a game to ask him about it (he was doing commentary for the WBA official feed). If you play it safe then it lets the opposition keep their structure intact which makes it harder to break down.

There's a school of thought that the best way to create chances is to win the ball as closer to the opposition goal as possible. It's sort of where the long ball and pressing game came from. If you think about our throw ins in this way,  they sort of make sense if you play by the percentages as Black Pearl says.

Whatever we are doing, its not unplanned, TP is an expert on throw ins, remember Stoke and the narrow pitch!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2016, 11:16:23 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 11:06:14 PM
Whatever we are doing, its not unplanned, TP is an expert on throw ins, remember Stoke and the narrow pitch!
They had a long throw specialist.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 11:19:33 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2016, 11:16:23 PM
They had a long throw specialist.

Delap, but he will have a plan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on March 02, 2016, 11:34:52 PM
I know this debate has reared its head before, but after watching the stats of the West Ham - Spurs game it feels again relevant. It's becoming ever more apparent that football is/has changed......teams no longer dominate and crucify teams, it's literally all about a teams ability to be efficient and accomplished in areas of attack/dominance /ascendency. Spurs...the 'touted' future champions of the prem, only managed 2 shots/attempts on target all game - if that had been Albion at Upton Park, we all would of been underwhelmed! However they had over 65% possession, only managing 2 on target....ring any bells?
This league has changed, the clinicaly efficient fact has never been so profound....look at the the league table! The undeniable fact is, teams that 'hit where it hurts' get results, and Pulis is testimony to this......sort of! His brand of football is pretty rotten at times, and I for one think he know's this. However if he is 'guided' (told who he can buy!), just maybe we could recruit some attacking (hardworking of course!) athletic/skillful players who could really accentuate all the things that could push us forward in this current 'football climate'?! Oh, and by the way I have heard of McManaman....I'm talking all rounders despite the fact he's a great talent! He's a dinosaur ahead of his time.....can he get the balance right?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: socalbaggie on March 03, 2016, 03:41:50 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on March 02, 2016, 02:27:09 PM
Thats kindof my point though really. That next year with a fit again Morrison and Foster and some wise Berahino investment (assuming we sell him) we can potentially have a strong season regardless of who our manager is.
My biggest fear going into this offseason is watching Pulis spend the money we get from the likely sale of Berahino. It boggles my mind how he can spend so much on certain players then never play them. To many of his permanent and loan signings never seem to play. It's almost as if he brings guys in just to bring them in. I worry that we sell Berahino for 20 million and he spends over 3/4 of it (16 million) on another Chester, Lambert and McManaman. Just our luck Pulis is at the helm when we finally get to cash in on the sale of a player. Would be nice to have Ashworth back! I just can't see JP being ok with the millions being spent on benchwarmers. I realize not all signings work out but with Pulis most signings don't seem to work work out. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 03, 2016, 09:00:12 AM
Squads are larger than 11 players.  Not everyone will play.  Who would you put Lambert\Chester\McManananananaman in ahead of at the moment?  (apart from the fact Chester is playing currently).

I don't think Pulis' record is that bad, it's no worse than any other manager, and looking at our signings post Ashworth it's probably better.  Rondon or Brown?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 03, 2016, 09:24:57 AM
Quote from: socalbaggie on March 03, 2016, 03:41:50 AM
My biggest fear going into this offseason is watching Pulis spend the money we get from the likely sale of Berahino. It boggles my mind how he can spend so much on certain players then never play them. To many of his permanent and loan signings never seem to play. It's almost as if he brings guys in just to bring them in. I worry that we sell Berahino for 20 million and he spends over 3/4 of it (16 million) on another Chester, Lambert and McManaman. Just our luck Pulis is at the helm when we finally get to cash in on the sale of a player. Would be nice to have Ashworth back! I just can't see JP being ok with the millions being spent on benchwarmers. I realize not all signings work out but with Pulis most signings don't seem to work work out.

Evans, Fletcher, Rondon, McClean now Chester? ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 03, 2016, 10:49:43 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on March 03, 2016, 09:00:12 AM
Squads are larger than 11 players.  Not everyone will play.  Who would you put Lambert\Chester\McManananananaman in ahead of at the moment?  (apart from the fact Chester is playing currently).

I don't think Pulis' record is that bad, it's no worse than any other manager, and looking at our signings post Ashworth it's probably better.  Rondon or Brown?
how much would that cost to be put on the back of your shirt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on March 03, 2016, 01:09:30 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on March 03, 2016, 10:49:43 AM
how much would that cost to be put on the back of your shirt.

You need an XXXXL size shirt to have any chance!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 06, 2016, 05:51:46 PM
West Brom's best run of form for 3 and a half seasons...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on March 06, 2016, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 06, 2016, 05:51:46 PM
West Brom's best run of form for 3 and a half seasons...

And of course this thread will be relatively quiet..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 06, 2016, 06:10:40 PM
Quote from: addy on March 06, 2016, 06:04:29 PM
And of course this thread will be relatively quiet..

You see, that annoys me. I for one and I dare say the vast vast majority of those who were angry/livid with Pulis didn't hate him as a man (he seems ok actually), we hated the tactics, we hated the 0 shots on target in 4 out of 6 games leading up to this run.

Pulis has changed what he's doing, he's changed his approach and line-up and thus the feedback from the fans is different. Beating Man U and scoring 5 goals in the prior 2 matches.

I honestly hope Pulis stays for another 3 years minimum, because that means things are going well and it's working. It was never about the man, it was about the play and the play has changed.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on March 06, 2016, 06:11:29 PM
the table doesn't lie does it?!

39pts after 29 games

1 point above Everton
1 point below Chelsea

23 points above the vile. :)

Fair play Tone. You'm turning it around.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on March 06, 2016, 06:24:09 PM
Fair play to him, a striker to help Rondon and actually start passing the ball and it works, shame it took him a while to figure out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on March 06, 2016, 06:24:47 PM
Quote from: boing_boing68 on March 06, 2016, 06:24:09 PM
Fair play to him, a striker to help Rondon and actually start passing the ball and it works, shame it took him a while to figure out

better late than never  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on March 06, 2016, 06:26:18 PM
Credit where it's due. Handbrake off and starting to get the ball down to try and play. No coincidence that results have gone our way. This is all we've asked for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on March 06, 2016, 06:28:06 PM
I will hold up my hands and say i wanted him gone at the end of the season but fair do's at the business end of the season TP is earning his money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on March 06, 2016, 06:49:00 PM
Well done Tony credit to you and your team, what ever bonus you get for keeping us up in this league you deserve it. Please will you keep the three up top is all I ask, WE ARE STAYING UP SAY WE ARE STAYING UP COYB :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 06, 2016, 06:53:39 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on March 06, 2016, 06:10:40 PM
You see, that annoys me. I for one and I dare say the vast vast majority of those who were angry/livid with Pulis didn't hate him as a man (he seems ok actually), we hated the tactics, we hated the 0 shots on target in 4 out of 6 games leading up to this run.

Pulis has changed what he's doing, he's changed his approach and line-up and thus the feedback from the fans is different. Beating Man U and scoring 5 goals in the prior 2 matches.

I honestly hope Pulis stays for another 3 years minimum, because that means things are going well and it's working. It was never about the man, it was about the play and the play has changed.

We had 2 shots on target today! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 06, 2016, 06:55:10 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 06, 2016, 06:53:39 PM
We had 2 shots on target today! ;D

Only 1 more than them but the possession was less than them , boooo !!!  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 06, 2016, 06:56:13 PM
He knows his job he is a professional.He gets results and can mix it up.

"Midweek winter trips to the Britannia have become easier since Tony Pulis was replaced by Mark Hughes."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35672813
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 06, 2016, 07:00:44 PM
didn't think it was a great performance today but im glad pulis is sticking with two strikers upfront, got to give him credit for the points he gets .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 06, 2016, 07:17:08 PM
Points on the board, then get expansive. Professional or tedious? It's the modern game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 06, 2016, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: costa blanca baggie on March 06, 2016, 07:17:08 PM
Points on the board, then get expansive. Professional or tedious? It's the modern game.

I agree with that, the bloke has been around long enough and knows his job is to keep us up. Its 99% certain that job done so things can relax a bit.

I think we will go defensive in coming games when the need is there and the fact Saido is looking like he's stopped the sulks and got his head down is also a factor in it as it gives Rondon some support when needed and he seems happy to get back when needed as well.

Pulis I doubt really cares what fans think and he'll never win some round but he'll get spurred on by his bonuses that clubs pay him to keep them up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on March 06, 2016, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: boing_boing68 on March 06, 2016, 06:24:09 PM
Fair play to him, a striker to help Rondon and actually start passing the ball and it works, shame it took him a while to figure out

If only it was a simple as this...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 06, 2016, 08:31:53 PM
Well done TP, job done, I am very happy to eat this humble pie.

Interesting comment pre-match today "toughest club I have ever had to manage"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on March 06, 2016, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on March 06, 2016, 06:26:18 PM
Credit where it's due. Handbrake off and starting to get the ball down to try and play. No coincidence that results have gone our way. This is all we've asked for.

Agreed, it should also dispel the myth that this squad is incapable of taking a game to the opposition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 06, 2016, 09:12:22 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 06, 2016, 08:31:53 PM
Well done TP, job done, I am very happy to eat this humble pie.

Interesting comment pre-match today "toughest club I have ever had to manage"

He clarified that in his post match interview, he was talking about it being difficult to manage clubs in the bottom half or the Premiership. 

Interestingly he also stated how he was hoping to play Berahino and Rondon together all season but has only now been able to do due to "saido coming back into the fold".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 06, 2016, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on March 06, 2016, 09:12:22 PM
He clarified that in his post match interview, he was talking about it being difficult to manage clubs in the bottom half or the Premiership. 

Interestingly he also stated how he was hoping to play Berahino and Rondon together all season but has only now been able to do due to "saido coming back into the fold".

Why was he on the bench then first half of the season? Hes been in the fold, TP chose not to play him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 06, 2016, 09:16:07 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 06, 2016, 09:15:15 PM
Why was he on the bench then first half of the season? Hes been in the fold, TP chose not to play him.

Because he was unfit and his attitude stunk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 06, 2016, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 06, 2016, 09:16:07 PM
Because he was unfit and his attitude stunk.

This.  Everyone remarked on how heavy he looked over Christmas and he'd clearly thrown his toys out of the pram.  Even in those few appearances he made he looked disinterested.  His upturn in attitude coincided with his apology, it's no coincidence.  It would be disingenuous to pretend that we've had a fit and raring to go Berahino that Pulis has refused to play.  It's amazing what having a £20m striker putting in the effort can do for a team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AltyAlbion on March 06, 2016, 09:26:37 PM
It was a strange comment about "the toughest club I've ever had to manage" ... just hope that those looking to hound TP out 2-3 weeks ago aren't a major factor in his thinking.
As a 50+ year old supporter I do wonder about the mixed benefits of social media ... you get immediate information and sometimes inside information which are good ... but the downside seems to be short termism in opinion forming - we win today, great ... lose today, let's sack TP! Given what he inherited and where he has taken us to, personally I think he has over achieved with an average and aging squad over that full period. 
Anyway ... let's just revel in today's result, where we are in the league and, best of all, where Villa are!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 06, 2016, 09:31:19 PM
Quote from: Aztech on March 06, 2016, 09:11:24 PM
Agreed, it should also dispel the myth that this squad is incapable of taking a game to the opposition.
It does not dispel any myths.The fact is he got us to safety his way which always produces results.
I would think he knows well enough how to do this by his record.
He gets the job done he is the Manager.We have suffered enough fools.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 06, 2016, 09:36:51 PM
39 points with 9 games to play, terrific performance Mr Pulis, keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 06, 2016, 09:42:33 PM
Quote from: AltyAlbion on March 06, 2016, 09:26:37 PM
It was a strange comment about "the toughest club I've ever had to manage" ... just hope that those looking to hound TP out 2-3 weeks ago aren't a major factor in his thinking.
As a 50+ year old supporter I do wonder about the mixed benefits of social media ... you get immediate information and sometimes inside information which are good ... but the downside seems to be short termism in opinion forming - we win today, great ... lose today, let's sack TP! Given what he inherited and where he has taken us to, personally I think he has over achieved with an average and aging squad over that full period. 
Anyway ... let's just revel in today's result, where we are in the league and, best of all, where Villa are!!

Spot on with everything you there, especially about social media and the fickleness it encourages in us.

We've got a lot to be happy about tonight that's for sure!  And I live and work in Manchester, looking forward to tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 06, 2016, 10:03:06 PM
Quote from: AltyAlbion on March 06, 2016, 09:26:37 PM
It was a strange comment about "the toughest club I've ever had to manage" ... just hope that those looking to hound TP out 2-3 weeks ago aren't a major factor in his thinking.
As a 50+ year old supporter I do wonder about the mixed benefits of social media ... you get immediate information and sometimes inside information which are good ... but the downside seems to be short termism in opinion forming - we win today, great ... lose today, let's sack TP! Given what he inherited and where he has taken us to, personally I think he has over achieved with an average and aging squad over that full period. 
Anyway ... let's just revel in today's result, where we are in the league and, best of all, where Villa are!!
I doubt it's about the negative fans, at their worst it was a few boos and nothing major. He's very thick-skinned and won't really case especially as we're doing well right now, but I definitely agree with you on the fan reactions.

Personally I think it's more of a dig at Peace, as I still think Pulis will go in the summer for whatever reason. It's a very strange comment to make given the context of the game and he's been giving clues in his press conferences for a few weeks/months now, much like he did at Palace before he left.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on March 06, 2016, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: boing_boing68 on March 06, 2016, 06:24:09 PM
Fair play to him, a striker to help Rondon and actually start passing the ball and it works, shame it took him a while to figure out

It didn't take him a while to figure out, played plenty games with him and Berahino up top. The difference is Bera has finally got his head down and being more energetic and less selfish with the ball. Rondon with players working hard around him is showing us what he can do. Rondon with balls hoofed up to him having to hold the ball up for ten seconds while his team mates saunter about looking disinterested is never going to do much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 06, 2016, 10:45:51 PM
If we had shown this approach more often this season compared with the ultra-negative dross that we've been served until last month, then the fans very simply would not be divided on Pulis.

These last 4 league games have been a joy to watch, and not just because of the end results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 06, 2016, 11:38:00 PM
Another post match conference and another comment which hints that all is not well behind the scenes which if he runs true to form will be quickly followed by clarification that he gets on well with Peace etc... Whatever stay preferably playing the sort of football you have post Reading or go but at least do it quickly rather than wait to eve of the season and dump us in it like he did at Palace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 06, 2016, 11:47:55 PM
Quote from: Standaman on March 06, 2016, 11:38:00 PM
Another post match conference and another comment which hints that all is not well behind the scenes which if he runs true to form will be quickly followed by clarification that he gets on well with Peace etc... Whatever stay preferably playing the sort of football you have post Reading or go but at least do it quickly rather than wait to eve of the season and dump us in it like he did at Palace.

Keep playing as we have done the past few matches, and fans will sing his praises and shout Peace/board down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on March 06, 2016, 11:51:12 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on March 06, 2016, 10:45:51 PM
If we had shown this approach more often this season compared with the ultra-negative dross that we've been served until last month, then the fans very simply would not be divided on Pulis.

These last 4 league games have been a joy to watch, and not just because of the end results.
Could not have put it any better!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 07, 2016, 12:01:33 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on March 06, 2016, 10:45:51 PM
If we had shown this approach more often this season compared with the ultra-negative dross that we've been served until last month, then the fans very simply would not be divided on Pulis.

These last 4 league games have been a joy to watch, and not just because of the end results.
I've no idea why we go from one style to another but maybe he was being pragmatic until we got nearer the 40 pt mark, we've certainly been jekyll & hyde.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 07, 2016, 08:20:04 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on March 07, 2016, 12:01:33 AM
I've no idea why we go from one style to another but maybe he was being pragmatic until we got nearer the 40 pt mark, we've certainly been jekyll & hyde.

He now has an improved Berahino and an on fire Gardner, we dipped because we lost Morrison, all teams have form dips and good spells, when he loses players, Pulis grinds out results anyway, the purists on here may not like it, but its way better than going on a Crystal Palace style nose dive for ten games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on March 07, 2016, 08:52:21 AM
I've really enjoyed watching the past few games.

As many have said, the reason Pulis has been around for so long as a premier league manager is that when players dip in form or he gets injuries, he's still able to get results. Unfortunately, our bad form has lasted for most of the season! I'd say, about 10 matches this season we have looked like we belong top half and have played football that is enjoyable to watch.

It will be a tough post season analysis for the club. Could we have played better? Could we have got better results and pushed for 8th? All that is for another day in the summer.

He does seem like a man that's ready to move on to me. What is not in doubt for me, is that Pulis has not let the club down and will leave us stronger than when he took over.

I'm beginning to think another year of Pulis with two or three more attack minded players in the team and a proper left back who can overlap (yes like Poc did to create the only goal yesterday) might be a good thing! There certainly would be many worse options out there (we'd be down with many other managers I'd imagine)?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 07, 2016, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 07, 2016, 08:20:04 AM
He now has an improved Berahino and an on fire Gardner, we dipped because we lost Morrison, all teams have form dips and good spells, when he loses players, Pulis grinds out results anyway, the purists on here may not like it, but its way better than going on a Crystal Palace style nose dive for ten games.

Spot on.  Previously we've played 4-5-1 pretty much and with the slow midfield that we have we're going to struggle, especially without JM in there.  With Berahino coming back and looking interested it's like we've signed a new £20m player but it's let us now play with two up top.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on March 07, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
If he leaves in the summer it will be his choice not because the club want a change
I think he will seek assurance that he can attempt to move us to the next level by having the Berahino money to spend and a chunk more
WBA supporters are all realistic but sometimes the club frustrate the hell out of me with its tightfisted attitude and I am sure it does with any decent manager. That's why we are lucky to have got Hodgson and Pulis and normally end up with Clarke and Irvine type appointments
Look at Micheal Antonio-we said we couldn't get him out of Forest but that was because they wanted 7 million for him and we wouldn't pay it. West Ham paid it and now that looks a bargain. No one expects us to break the bank but just once in a while ... and 7 million in todays game isn't a lot
I have always supported Pulis although at times the style has been aweful but, for anyone screaming for a change, the likes of Moyes wont come and work with this chairman
TP is doing a great job and we need to match his ambitions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 07, 2016, 12:01:51 PM
Sometimes supporters just need to step back and calm down. Nearly the entire team fielded yesterday had been written off by supporters.

Gardner & Rondon have both been booed this season during home games for starters.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 07, 2016, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: tylerm on March 07, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
If he leaves in the summer it will be his choice not because the club want a change
I think he will seek assurance that he can attempt to move us to the next level by having the Berahino money to spend and a chunk more
WBA supporters are all realistic but sometimes the club frustrate the hell out of me with its tightfisted attitude and I am sure it does with any decent manager. That's why we are lucky to have got Hodgson and Pulis and normally end up with Clarke and Irvine type appointments
Look at Micheal Antonio-we said we couldn't get him out of Forest but that was because they wanted 7 million for him and we wouldn't pay it. West Ham paid it and now that looks a bargain. No one expects us to break the bank but just once in a while ... and 7 million in todays game isn't a lot
I have always supported Pulis although at times the style has been aweful but, for anyone screaming for a change, the likes of Moyes wont come and work with this chairman
TP is doing a great job and we need to match his ambitions

Just realised the quotes were from the pre match interview, just the usual pre match strategy  make this sound as difficult as possible so if it goes pear shaped it isn't  my fault and if by chance we get a result then it looks even better. Nothing to see here as you were  ;D

There is no next level this is it the choice the club has how it wants to achieve the mid-table to lower half finish that it generally will with the budget available to us. If Pulis desperately wanted to buy Antonio for £7m there was nothing stopping him but it meant not buying Mcclean and or Chester or bringing in Gnabry. Or we had to sell Berahino to Spurs. Equally Antonio has had a flurry of form lately but didn't get a start at West Ham until Christmas so not obviously a bargain.  Equally nobody ever points to an expensive player that flops and says why didn't we buy him?



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 07, 2016, 12:43:40 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on March 07, 2016, 12:01:51 PM
Sometimes supporters just need to step back and calm down. Nearly the entire team fielded yesterday had been written off by supporters.

Gardner & Rondon have both been booed this season during home games for starters.
Did alright didn't they.  If one wanted to be cynical, it might be questioned as to how come it has taken so long and why with the players that Pulis wouldn't play as first choice  ;)

That's entertainment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on March 07, 2016, 12:45:34 PM
I would like to see TP given another 3 years and groom Darren Fletcher as his successor. TP will be 62 and may be ready to take it easy, and DF has managerial qualities as TP and others have commented. I can see a sustained improvement especially if we get extra funds due to a takeover shortly, then continuity will be the key.







Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 12:53:13 PM
Quote from: BAGGIES4LIFE on March 07, 2016, 12:45:34 PM
I would like to see TP given another 3 years and groom Darren Fletcher as his successor. TP will be 62 and may be ready to take it easy, and DF has managerial qualities as TP and others have commented. I can see a sustained improvement especially if we get extra funds due to a takeover shortly, then continuity will be the key.

I want another proper manager after Pulis leaves, we are a level above allowing someone to "cut their teeth".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on March 07, 2016, 12:58:17 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on March 07, 2016, 12:01:51 PM
Sometimes supporters just need to step back and calm down. Nearly the entire team fielded yesterday had been written off by supporters.

Gardner & Rondon have both been booed this season during home games for starters.

I think Gardner gets unfair criticism from our fans. A very 'clever' footballer who's really only let down by his physical attributes. I think TP sees the value in Gardner, hence why he picks him so much often to the disgust of some of our own fans.

That said, Gardner went missing for the first 15 mins of the second half yesterday as did Fletch and Sess but we dug it out and I really enjoyed John Harston on MOTD 2, "Tony Pulis came out and was honest, Van Gaal came out and was talking in riddles!"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on March 07, 2016, 12:59:35 PM
Whatever people think about Pulis and I can see both sides, his teams normally do put a "shift" in. In light of Newcastle / Villa fans complaining about lack of effort etc. you can rarely accuse a Pulis team of not trying.

One thing is for sure a culture of patience is no longer part of being a football fan in England. Despite everything he has only been here just over a year. 2 weeks is a long time in football :) after Reading the sky had fallen in, now we are looking towards a top 10 finish with 3 wins and a draw in the last 4.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 07, 2016, 01:00:22 PM
Quote from: BAGGIES4LIFE on March 07, 2016, 12:45:34 PM
I would like to see TP given another 3 years and groom Darren Fletcher as his successor. TP will be 62 and may be ready to take it easy, and DF has managerial qualities as TP and others have commented. I can see a sustained improvement especially if we get extra funds due to a takeover shortly, then continuity will be the key.

No thank you.

While the team has played well in the last few games, the bigger picture needs to be taken into account. We have still failed to register a shot on target in too many games this season, as well as the awful cup results - we've played Port Vale, Norwich, Peterborough, Bristol City, and Reading and struggled to win any of them.

People need to take a step back from the euphoria of a good run of results and judge us on the season as a whole.

For me, Pulis still isn't the man for us long-term. I knew we wouldn't get relegated under him, but he still has too many shortcomings as a manager imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on March 07, 2016, 01:10:46 PM
We're pushing for top ten and may break our record points total in the Premier League. We've played some terrible football in some games this season but also have played some good stuff in other games. Look how consistent our results have been, I don't think we've ever been on a bad run. Pulis is a very good manager, if his teams played a more attractive style of football he'd be at a top club. Hopefully we keep picking up points until the end of the season with a bit of attacking football thrown in and we will all be happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 07, 2016, 01:13:28 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on March 07, 2016, 12:59:35 PM
Whatever people think about Pulis and I can see both sides, his teams normally do put a "shift" in. In light of Newcastle / Villa fans complaining about lack of effort etc. you can rarely accuse a Pulis team of not trying.

One thing is for sure a culture of patience is no longer part of being a football fan in England. Despite everything he has only been here just over a year. 2 weeks is a long time in football :) after Reading the sky had fallen in, now we are looking towards a top 10 finish with 3 wins and a draw in the last 4.

People used to moan about lack of effort on here, they rarely say that anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on March 07, 2016, 01:19:48 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 12:53:13 PM
I want another proper manager after Pulis leaves, we are a level above allowing someone to "cut their teeth".
Me too although unlike some i hope Tony stays for many years yet and beds himself in with new owners whoever they maybe!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 07, 2016, 01:20:57 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on March 07, 2016, 01:00:22 PM
No thank you.

While the team has played well in the last few games, the bigger picture needs to be taken into account. We have still failed to register a shot on target in too many games this season, as well as the awful cup results - we've played Port Vale, Norwich, Peterborough, Bristol City, and Reading and struggled to win any of them.

People need to take a step back from the euphoria of a good run of results and judge us on the season as a whole.

For me, Pulis still isn't the man for us long-term. I knew we wouldn't get relegated under him, but he still has too many shortcomings as a manager imo.

That could be also applied to the meltdown that follows a poor performance, if you want to take the season as a whole then 39 points at this stage which is only bettered once by us in this league previously in season 12/13 suggests he's doing a decent job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on March 07, 2016, 01:24:40 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on March 07, 2016, 01:00:22 PM
No thank you.

While the team has played well in the last few games, the bigger picture needs to be taken into account. We have still failed to register a shot on target in too many games this season, as well as the awful cup results - we've played Port Vale, Norwich, Peterborough, Bristol City, and Reading and struggled to win any of them.

People need to take a step back from the euphoria of a good run of results and judge us on the season as a whole.

For me, Pulis still isn't the man for us long-term. I knew we wouldn't get relegated under him, but he still has too many shortcomings as a manager imo.

Same can be said for those who have criticised Pulis, dont judge the fact we have played some games negatively and look at the bigger picture of the season, where are we in the league, how many points have we gained and that we are currently in the best run of form for 3 and half years in the Prem.

It works both ways, but to say judge us over the season means Pulis has done an incredible job so far
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 07, 2016, 01:45:44 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on March 07, 2016, 01:00:22 PM
No thank you.

While the team has played well in the last few games, the bigger picture needs to be taken into account. We have still failed to register a shot on target in too many games this season, as well as the awful cup results - we've played Port Vale, Norwich, Peterborough, Bristol City, and Reading and struggled to win any of them.

People need to take a step back from the euphoria of a good run of results and judge us on the season as a whole.

For me, Pulis still isn't the man for us long-term. I knew we wouldn't get relegated under him, but he still has too many shortcomings as a manager imo.

The season as a whole is thus:

29 Games
39 Points
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 01:50:52 PM
Anyone that thinks there won't be games where we underperform at this level needs a reality check. The real skill of Pulis is that his teams don't go into free fall when they're playing badly.

Take into account Berahino's attitude and the injuries to Morrison, Evans and Brunt, you can see why he is happy to grind out results against the teams closest to us. Teams it's imperative we don't lose ground to. Gaining ground on them would be a bonus.

The way our players have played against lower league opposition needs looking at, but the guy cannot kick the ball round for them.

How anyone cannot want him to stay will always baffle me after Clarke, Mel and Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 07, 2016, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 01:50:52 PM
Anyone that thinks there won't be games where we underperform at this level needs a reality check. The real skill of Pulis is that his teams don't go into free fall when they're playing badly.

Take into account Berahino's attitude and the injuries to Morrison, Evans and Brunt, you can see why he is happy to grind out results against the teams closest to us. Teams it's imperative we don't lose ground to. Gaining ground on them would be a bonus.

The way our players have played against lower league opposition needs looking at, but the guy cannot kick the ball round for them.

How anyone cannot want him to stay will always baffle me after Clarke, Mel and Irvine.

Plus at the peak of our poor run of form we still didn't lose any more than two on the spin, despite having up to 9 players injured at one stage and a number playing half fit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on March 07, 2016, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on March 07, 2016, 01:45:44 PM
The season as a whole is thus:

29 Games
39 Points

On this form over the season equates to around 51 points, and over the year not season from when he started to the day of his 1st year anniversary was around 50 points I believe?

51 points would beat our previous best

Dont think any can argue with that really...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on March 07, 2016, 01:57:21 PM
Pulis is doing a fantastic job, the calling or his head from the minority is a bit embarrassing to be honest. The only disappointment for me is our pretty limp displays in the FA Cup but that is miles away from justifying any call for him to leave the club.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 07, 2016, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: Atomic on March 07, 2016, 01:57:21 PM
Pulis is doing a fantastic job

The last 4 results have been fantastic, the current points to games ratio is very good, but prior to these 4 games we had 0 shots on target in 4 out of 6 games and we were 25 games for 29 points, which is decent/good, but not fantastic.

The context of the time that is important for comments. I stand by being furious at our displays in Jan/Feb (not necessarily some of the results).

It depends on if one wants Albion to just survive, or survive and be entertaining. I want the latter.

Pulis is currently delivering a different product and thus is getting a different response. That strikes me as perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on March 07, 2016, 02:18:11 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on March 07, 2016, 02:13:28 PM
The last 4 results have been fantastic, the current points to games ratio is very good, but prior to these 4 games we had 0 shots on target in 4 out of 6 games and we were 25 games for 29 points, which is decent/good, but not fantastic.

The context of the time that is important for comments. I stand by being furious at our displays in Jan/Feb (not necessarily some of the results).

It depends on if one wants Albion to just survive, or survive and be entertaining. I want the latter.

Pulis is currently delivering a different product and thus is getting a different response. That strikes me as perfectly reasonable.

Strange isn't it, because 4 games later, we would still have been 5 points clear of the drop if we hadn't picked up another point. Now we've turned a corner regards performances
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on March 07, 2016, 02:23:11 PM
Pulis is doing exactly the job he was brought in to do - keep us up.

The question is, do the club see him as the man to rebuild/ push on for the next few years? This is complicated because we (the club) need to ask;
1) Does Pulis fit the Albion culture? (We could debate what that means for years but to me, on the pitch, it simply means an attempt to play attacking football whilst winning a cup along the way).
2) Would Pulis spend the Berahino money and/ or further funds well (we don't have an endless pot, but this summer we'll probably have the most to spend in one transfer window we've ever had so we need to use it much better than the past few years)?
3) Would Pulis fit under the DoF set up which the club obviously favours?
4) Would the fans accept him for longer? The majority would I'd think, providing he's more ambitious in his set up at home and we signed a few attacking players (see culture and money points above).

Like any marriage, it's complicated and requires work and commitment from both sides............question is, is there a will..........only time will tell?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on March 07, 2016, 02:26:57 PM
Pulis makes mistakes what manager dosen't but given the tools he had to work with i think he has done a good job.
A commited Berinho has made a difference to the side.
We have a lot of players who haven't come off in the last year or two which has reduced the options available i hope we can ship out the fringe players sign 5 or 6 players who will either be in or challenging for a spot and we can look forward to next season watching an Albion perform like they have in the last few games.l
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 07, 2016, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on March 07, 2016, 01:00:22 PM
No thank you.

While the team has played well in the last few games, the bigger picture needs to be taken into account. We have still failed to register a shot on target in too many games this season, as well as the awful cup results - we've played Port Vale, Norwich, Peterborough, Bristol City, and Reading and struggled to win any of them.

People need to take a step back from the euphoria of a good run of results and judge us on the season as a whole.

For me, Pulis still isn't the man for us long-term. I knew we wouldn't get relegated under him, but he still has too many shortcomings as a manager imo.

Your argument there sort of falls down when you're judging Pulis on a run of poor form rather than the season as a whole.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 07, 2016, 02:43:55 PM
From F365 article regarding Stokelona...

Quote
In eighth place (and seven points off fourth) having scored 31 goals in 29 league games. That’s four fewer than Sunderland and the same number as Norwich. Over a third of Stoke’s league matches have contained one goal or less, and 59% two goals or fewer.

Mark Hughes’ greatest achievement is making people think this is sexy. Perception is everything.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 07, 2016, 02:57:57 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 12:53:13 PM
I want another proper manager after Pulis leaves, we are a level above allowing someone to "cut their teeth".

I like the sentiment but what "established / proven" managers would we be likely to headhunt, there are not that many Ranieri's out there, are there?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 07, 2016, 02:57:57 PM
I like the sentiment but what "established / proven" managers would we be likely to headhunt, there are not that many Ranieri's out there, are there?

There are plenty.

If we were in the market now for example we could take our pick from Benitez, Moyes, Rodgers, Pearson. 2 or 3 years down the line when I expect us to be looking to replace TP there will be similar calibre men out there.

Ranieri came off the back off a disastrous run of appointments culminating in the Greece debacle. It makes this year all the more amazing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 07, 2016, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on March 07, 2016, 02:33:46 PM
Your argument there sort of falls down when you're judging Pulis on a run of poor form rather than the season as a whole.

Shame you never comment in standard of football. Doesnt suit your arguement so you dont comment on it.

Your boring everyone now, nearly as much as stokelad with your love in with TP. You dont recognise anyone's opinion. And i would put my 200k mortgage on line to say half the things you say on here you wouldnt say to peoples faces. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on March 07, 2016, 03:19:50 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 07, 2016, 03:16:08 PM
Shame you never comment in standard of football. Doesnt suit your arguement so you dont comment on it.

Your boring everyone now, nearly as much as stokelad with your love in with TP. You dont recognise anyone's opinion. And i would put my 200k mortgage on line to say half the things you say on here you wouldnt say to peoples faces.

He is boring everyone? Speak for yourself why dont you

I bored with the constant Anti-Pulis rhetoric more...

Standard of football has been changed, there have been many games where ive been bored off my pants and not happy, but over the course of the season so far id say im more than happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on March 07, 2016, 03:20:24 PM
Moyes, Rodgers, Benitez or Pearson? I'd stick my neck and say that despite what we may think of our club's standing, of those only Pearson might be vaguely attainable and even then he has a history with Albion that might well preclude him coming to us. So I think saying we can take our pick us a little optimistic.

I'm not a massive TP fan, but he does get results, and may well be as good as we can hope for right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 07, 2016, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 07, 2016, 03:16:08 PM
Shame you never comment in standard of football. Doesnt suit your arguement so you dont comment on it.

Your boring everyone now, nearly as much as stokelad with your love in with TP. You dont recognise anyone's opinion. And i would put my 200k mortgage on line to say half the things you say on here you wouldnt say to peoples faces.

Errr, thanks for that.  I'd happily say anything on here to people's faces.  I'm all for discussion, it appears you'd rather talk about your mortgage though.  ;D

Incidentally, I've criticised Pulis in the past, some of the performances have been dreadful.  I think some of the critcism he's received has, at times, been justified but a lot of it has been over the top.  I think, as fans, we just needed to be patient and get behind the team when it was going through a rough patch and not try and organise Pulis Out protests.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 04:04:41 PM
It's a sad state of affairs that a Stoke fan is more sensible about our club than some of our own fans. Albeit he clearly dotes on TP he's far more realistic about our aims.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on March 07, 2016, 04:10:09 PM
Quote from: Chipperfan on March 07, 2016, 03:20:24 PM
Moyes, Rodgers, Benitez or Pearson? I'd stick my neck and say that despite what we may think of our club's standing, of those only Pearson might be vaguely attainable and even then he has a history with Albion that might well preclude him coming to us. So I think saying we can take our pick us a little optimistic.

I'm not a massive TP fan, but he does get results, and may well be as good as we can hope for right now.

I doubt very much if we had Pearson back here whilst Jezza is still at the helm
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on March 07, 2016, 04:42:33 PM
Ultimately the vast majority of fans only care about results. Even the ones on here who claim they don't like TP's style only criticize him for it if the team loses the match.

Take yesterday's game for example. Yes, Albion looked quite promising in the opening 20 minutes, but once Mata was sent off and United started sitting back, they didn't have a clue what to do. The team appeared incredibly laboured and short of invention/creativity. There was a lot of slow sideways passing and it was clear Pulis was happy with the point. Then Rondon scores a goal out of nowhere and suddenly the performance is praised for being 'positive' and 'all that the fans wanted'.

Now contrast this with the Swansea home game. Albion actually played on the front foot in that game and created a lot of chances, certainly many more than today. But since they could only manage a draw, there were a lot of boos and criticism of TP being far too negative (despite it being the opposite on the day). There were also a lot of complaints about the constant hoofing. This is again quite ironic when you consider that West Brom's best chances yesterday came from a direct approach centred around hitting long balls to Rondon up against Blind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on March 07, 2016, 04:46:31 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 04:04:41 PM
It's a sad state of affairs that a Stoke fan is more sensible about our club than some of our own fans. Albeit he clearly dotes on TP he's far more realistic about our aims.

And far more than is strictly necessary  ;).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XykEnBpyfr4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XykEnBpyfr4)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on March 07, 2016, 04:52:49 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on March 07, 2016, 04:10:09 PM
I doubt very much if we had Pearson back here whilst Jezza is still at the helm

My point exactly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 07, 2016, 05:10:39 PM
Many posts ago on this thread I think I said I saw Pulis here for the long haul. Let's face it nobody further up the footballing hierarchy is going to come in for him and providing we stay in the division we won't sack him. The only slight fly in that ointment is a potential falling out over transfers, but without that he would  probably still be at Palace and we wouldn't have got him out of there.

Without wishing to breach the rules on discussing future appointments Rodgers and Moyes are certainly fanciful now and they would both harbour hopes of better appointments than at the Hawthorns,particularly as another round of manager musical chairs is about to kick off during the summer and inevitably through until next January.  However if they don't get a chair in the next 12 months they will be looking for a route back in and then they certainly will be a lot less picky

The question then is does Pulis carry on beyond his current contract? 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: Standaman on March 07, 2016, 05:10:39 PM
Many posts ago on this thread I think I said I saw Pulis here for the long haul. Let's face it nobody further up the footballing hierarchy is going to come in for him and providing we stay in the division we won't sack him. The only slight fly in that ointment is a potential falling out over transfers, but without that he would  probably still be at Palace and we wouldn't have got him out of there.

Without wishing to breach the rules on discussing future appointments Rodgers and Moyes are certainly fanciful now and they would both harbour hopes of better appointments than at the Hawthorns,particularly as another round of manager musical chairs is about to kick off during the summer and inevitably through until next January.  However if they don't get a chair in the next 12 months they will be looking for a route back in and then they certainly will be a lot less picky

The question then is does Pulis carry on beyond his current contract?

Yes because they are not really an improvement on him. The original post was in response to someone suggesting Fletcher should be our next manager, and they are names that I believe are attainable especially after the summer. It gets to the stage where we will be in the 25 richest clubs in the world. A bigger pull than a Valencia for example or a Schalke, or a Lazio.

We got Hodgson, West Ham got Bilic, Southampton Koeman, etc. The Premier League IS the pull.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 07, 2016, 05:21:19 PM
Quote from: Standaman on March 07, 2016, 05:10:39 PM
Many posts ago on this thread I think I said I saw Pulis here for the long haul. Let's face it nobody further up the footballing hierarchy is going to come in for him and providing we stay in the division we won't sack him. The only slight fly in that ointment is a potential falling out over transfers, but without that he would  probably still be at Palace and we wouldn't have got him out of there.

Without wishing to breach the rules on discussing future appointments Rodgers and Moyes are certainly fanciful now and they would both harbour hopes of better appointments than at the Hawthorns,particularly as another round of manager musical chairs is about to kick off during the summer and inevitably through until next January.  However if they don't get a chair in the next 12 months they will be looking for a route back in and then they certainly will be a lot less picky

The question then is does Pulis carry on beyond his current contract?

I don't see how we can look beyond him at the moment, fulfilled his brief, check, gradually improving the playing style, check, integrating new signings successfully, check. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 07, 2016, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 05:20:20 PM
Yes because they are not really an improvement on him. The original post was in response to someone suggesting Fletcher should be our next manager, and they are names that I believe are attainable especially after the summer. It gets to the stage where we will be in the 25 richest clubs in the world. A bigger pull than a Valencia for example or a Schalke, or a Lazio.

We got Hodgson, West Ham got Bilic, Southampton Koeman, etc. The Premier League IS the pull.

Oddly enough I agree about Moyes and Rodgers and about parachuting an retiring ex pro in as Head Coach. My question was as much about TP's willingness to carry on. If he is the go to survival specialist then to be free to rescue the next distressed club (and there is always going to be one of those) could be a lot more lucrative than signing a new deal with us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 07, 2016, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on March 07, 2016, 04:46:31 PM
And far more than is strictly necessary  ;).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XykEnBpyfr4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XykEnBpyfr4)

That won't be me Dan, I don't know where any of you live  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on March 07, 2016, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 07, 2016, 03:16:08 PM
Shame you never comment in standard of football. Doesnt suit your arguement so you dont comment on it.

Your boring everyone now, nearly as much as stokelad with your love in with TP. You dont recognise anyone's opinion. And i would put my 200k mortgage on line to say half the things you say on here you wouldnt say to peoples faces.

With regard to mortgages mines bigger than your so my views are by extension better than yours, I've been supporting the Baggies longer than you - it's playground stuff, man up - all views are equal no matter if you disagree or not :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 07, 2016, 07:06:03 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 07, 2016, 05:21:19 PM
I don't see how we can look beyond him at the moment, fulfilled his brief, check, gradually improving the playing style, check, integrating new signings successfully, check. ;D
all true but, wasted money on lambert £3m cheque, wasted money on mcmanaman £5m cheque. :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on March 07, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on March 07, 2016, 07:02:10 PM
With regard to mortgages mines bigger than your so my views are by extension better than yours, I've been supporting the Baggies longer than you - it's playground stuff, man up - all views are equal no matter if you disagree or not :o

Funny that because the way jacko boinging_along and stokelad go on their view is the only view.

The way they go preaching to anyone who differs is embarrassing.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on March 07, 2016, 07:44:06 PM
No one can complain about the last few games, there has been a clear improvement in the performances and results have been equally pleasing. If the whole season had been like this, obviously allowing for off days, we would all be happy.

I have heavily criticised Pulis but I want him to do well and improve. Hopefully we have turned a corner now, I have reservations about his transfer record long term but if we carry this form on for the next 9 games he will have more than earned another year here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on March 07, 2016, 07:52:05 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on March 07, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Funny that because the way jacko boinging_along and stokelad go on their view is the only view.

The way they go preaching to anyone who differs is embarrassing.

BTW i got  a 12inch c0ck.  :D

And that affects your life how?

I get the same feeling from a lot of your posts aswell fella

But I don't cry about it...it's your opinion and it's a valid one even if I don't agree with you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on March 07, 2016, 08:10:29 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on March 07, 2016, 07:06:03 PM
all true but, wasted money on lambert £3m cheque, wasted money on mcmanaman £5m cheque. :)
I thought lambert was a good deal at the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 07, 2016, 08:11:15 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on March 07, 2016, 07:06:03 PM
all true but, wasted money on lambert £3m cheque, wasted money on mcmanaman £5m cheque. :)

Lambert is dead money, Macman may not be, but all clubs make duff signings, there were plenty before Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lindenbaggie on March 07, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
Ok, Pulis isn't perfect. But at the moment and based on results, he's the second best British manager after Hughes. Things could be a lot worse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 07, 2016, 08:51:13 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on March 07, 2016, 07:52:05 PM
And that affects your life how?

I get the same feeling from a lot of your posts aswell fella

But I don't cry about it...it's your opinion and it's a valid one even if I don't agree with you

I wouldn't worry about it.  I realise I'm what people would call pro-Pulis, but it doesn't mean I'm happy with the quality of football on display at times or that he's beyond criticism..  I just felt that seeing the direction we were going in he's not done that bad a job this season.  Another year's survival was the primary aim this season for me and I'm hoping we can build on that going forward. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on March 07, 2016, 10:30:17 PM
3 wins from the last 4 games has been impressive and pretty much guarantees that we'll stay up. Pulis certainly deserves praise for a more attacking approach, which is all that any critics have asked for. I'm sure it hasn't been lost on those of us who've been criticising the terrible and unnecessary negative mindset Pulis has had for much of the season, that the sudden and unexpected more positive approach, whatever the reason for it, has brought greater success. This vindicates the opinions that we've been voicing all season IMO!  ;D

What I would say, though, is being forced to pick players like Chester because of injuries and suspensions, who he wouldn't have selected otherwise, who've then gone on and done well once given a run in the side, isn't something to praise Pulis for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on March 08, 2016, 06:37:34 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 07, 2016, 05:41:35 PM
That won't be me Dan, I don't know where any of you live  ;)

True, but I bet you know what TP had for breakfast this morning  :) ;)..........

........ and what colour his underpants are or if he goes commando  :).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on March 08, 2016, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on March 07, 2016, 10:30:17 PM
3 wins from the last 4 games has been impressive and pretty much guarantees that we'll stay up. Pulis certainly deserves praise for a more attacking approach, which is all that any critics have asked for. I'm sure it hasn't been lost on those of us who've been criticising the terrible and unnecessary negative mindset Pulis has had for much of the season, that the sudden and unexpected more positive approach, whatever the reason for it, has brought greater success. This vindicates the opinions that we've been voicing all season IMO!  ;D

What I would say, though, is being forced to pick players like Chester because of injuries and suspensions, who he wouldn't have selected otherwise, who've then gone on and done well once given a run in the side, isn't something to praise Pulis for.
I think the general upturn in mood proves that no-one is calling for tika taka football, just a bit more intent. We didn't have a multitude of chances against Man U, but we did look a threat against both 11 men and 10. If we can carry this on then I think most will be reasonably happy.
The league position is great, but never really in question, the tactics have been the issue.
Personally, I fear that we will see the same, over cautious, negative, approach at the start of next season and the vitriol against TP will start again. I hope not and we use the transfer window to bolster the defence but also give us some threat on the break.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 08, 2016, 01:51:15 PM
i personally think he will walk in the summer
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 08, 2016, 01:55:10 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on March 08, 2016, 01:51:15 PM
i personally think he will walk in the summer

I tend to agree, but, lets wait and see, will tight JP hack him off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 08, 2016, 02:01:06 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 08, 2016, 01:55:10 PM
I tend to agree, but, lets wait and see, will tight JP hack him off.


hes done his job has he sees it, he dont need the flack from the supporters contributed by tight purse strings too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: garry on March 08, 2016, 02:08:30 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on March 08, 2016, 01:51:15 PM
i personally think he will walk in the summer
Where to?
He's not everyone's cup of tea, you know. ::)
I can see him being here 5+ years (honestly!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on March 08, 2016, 02:14:42 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 08, 2016, 01:55:10 PM
I tend to agree, but, lets wait and see, will tight JP hack him off.
Where to though? He won't drop to the Championship, no chance he'll go abroad and I don't think he'll walk to be out of work.
I think, if he stays, he will get JP's backing, but will have to trim the fat first.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 08, 2016, 02:22:11 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on March 08, 2016, 02:14:42 PM
Where to though? He won't drop to the Championship, no chance he'll go abroad and I don't think he'll walk to be out of work.
I think, if he stays, he will get JP's backing, but will have to trim the fat first.

I hope I'm wrong, I feel another two years will give us a very solid base to go forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on March 08, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on March 08, 2016, 02:14:42 PM
Where to though? He won't drop to the Championship, no chance he'll go abroad and I don't think he'll walk to be out of work.
I think, if he stays, he will get JP's backing, but will have to trim the fat first.

TP holds all the cards - if he walks as some believe or hope, he will have 6 months break or gardening leave and wait till the bottom 6 clubs in the Prem fight for his services. Quality of the football will be of no consequence, survival will of utmost importance. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: garry on March 08, 2016, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: wbastrollers on March 08, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
TP holds all the cards - if he walks as some believe or hope, he will have 6 months break or gardening leave and wait till the bottom 6 clubs in the Prem fight for his services. Quality of the football will be of no consequence, survival will of utmost importance.
I don't believe he wants to spend the rest of his career helping lame ducks.
He's never had a chance at a top club.
Unfortunately no top club will take him unless he can change his image/style.
I think he will try to prove himself by getting us up to 6th/7th, hopefully by playing good football with the hope that he can get that Liverpool/Spurs type of job.
To do that with us he will need support and funds.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 08, 2016, 02:42:32 PM
Quote from: wbastrollers on March 08, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
TP holds all the cards - if he walks as some believe or hope, he will have 6 months break or gardening leave and wait till the bottom 6 clubs in the Prem fight for his services. Quality of the football will be of no consequence, survival will of utmost importance.

As things stand at the moment, I could see TP going to Newcastle in the next few days. We are all but safe & he would have 9 games to save them from the drop. I could see Mike Ashley being desperate enough to buy out TP's contract, & it would be a nice face-saver for JP.
If Newcastle replace Mclaren with somebody else, I couldn't see another ready made job for TP to walk into.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 08, 2016, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 08, 2016, 02:42:32 PM
As things stand at the moment, I could see TP going to Newcastle in the next few days. We are all but safe & he would have 9 games to save them from the drop. I could see Mike Ashley being desperate enough to buy out TP's contract, & it would be a nice face-saver for JP.
If Newcastle replace Mclaren with somebody else, I couldn't see another ready made job for TP to walk into.
But he turned them down to come to us saying ownership wants to have a say in who plays.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2016, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 08, 2016, 02:42:32 PM
As things stand at the moment, I could see TP going to Newcastle in the next few days. We are all but safe & he would have 9 games to save them from the drop. I could see Mike Ashley being desperate enough to buy out TP's contract, & it would be a nice face-saver for JP.
If Newcastle replace Mclaren with somebody else, I couldn't see another ready made job for TP to walk into.

I've heard some belters on here, there is no way Pulis will go to Newcastle. Graham Carr runs that club from major decisions at board level to the entire transfer policy to identifying the players.

I tend to agree with Garry, walking out on Crystal Palace was a one time thing that he arguably can't afford to do again, much like Hodgson we will be his penultimate job, and while I don't see him getting as big a job as Anfield, he will look to cement his reputation with us. Maybe he wants the Wales job before he retires?

I'm much more in the mindset that he'll sign an extension in the summer as opposed to taking his ball and going home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on March 08, 2016, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: garry on March 08, 2016, 02:39:48 PM
I don't believe he wants to spend the rest of his career helping lame ducks.
He's never had a chance at a top club.
Unfortunately no top club will take him unless he can change his image/style.
I think he will try to prove himself by getting us up to 6th/7th, hopefully by playing good football with the hope that he can get that Liverpool/Spurs type of job.
To do that with us he will need support and funds.
And the guts to go out and win more games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 08, 2016, 03:08:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2016, 02:56:12 PM
I've heard some belters on here, there is no way Pulis will go to Newcastle. Graham Carr runs that club from major decisions at board level to the entire transfer policy to identifying the players.

I tend to agree with Garry, walking out on Crystal Palace was a one time thing that he arguably can't afford to do again, much like Hodgson we will be his penultimate job, and while I don't see him getting as big a job as Anfield, he will look to cement his reputation with us. Maybe he wants the Wales job before he retires?

I'm much more in the mindset that he'll sign an extension in the summer as opposed to taking his ball and going home.

I'm just saying that, IMO, Newcastle would be the only scenario where TP would leave, as things stand. On the other hand, JP is allegedly putting into place a structure that replicates Graham Carr here, & are you sure that a continuation of JP's stewardship would be enough to fulfill TP's ambitions?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2016, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 08, 2016, 03:08:42 PM
I'm just saying that, IMO, Newcastle would be the only scenario where TP would leave, as things stand. On the other hand, JP is allegedly putting into place a structure that replicates Graham Carr here, & are you sure that a continuation of JP's stewardship would be enough to fulfill TP's ambitions?

No he isn't, we have mooted the return of a DoF, nothing has been decided.

Whereas Carr is on the board, the chief scout, deals with the transfers. Basically he has carte blanche.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on March 08, 2016, 03:15:06 PM
Quote from: garry on March 08, 2016, 02:39:48 PM
I don't believe he wants to spend the rest of his career helping lame ducks.
He's never had a chance at a top club.
Unfortunately no top club will take him unless he can change his image/style.
I think he will try to prove himself by getting us up to 6th/7th, hopefully by playing good football with the hope that he can get that Liverpool/Spurs type of job.
To do that with us he will need support and funds.

Why not, being a Messiah is his forte' and quite lucrative.
 He will never manage a "top club" like you say his image prevents that. The only way he may stop with us is if he can bring in a couple of flying wingers - but he does not need us, his reputation with Crystal Palace and us will be his legacy. Like someone else has already mentioned 'the Red Adair of the Premier League' .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 08, 2016, 03:27:49 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2016, 03:11:01 PM
No he isn't, we have mooted the return of a DoF, nothing has been decided.

Whereas Carr is on the board, the chief scout, deals with the transfers. Basically he has carte blanche.

I think you'll find I used the word "allegedly" replicating the Graham Carr position. I don't know if anything has been decided or not, but TP confirmed that candidates for the DoF position are being sought. Also, again allegedly, a major part of the brief for the DoF will be the sourcing of players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2016, 03:31:32 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 08, 2016, 03:27:49 PM
I think you'll find I used the word "allegedly" replicating the Graham Carr position. I don't know if anything has been decided or not, but TP confirmed that candidates for the DoF position are being sought. Also, again allegedly, a major part of the brief for the DoF will be the sourcing of players.

At Newcastle, Carr decides which players the club will sign. That will not happen at The Hawthorns. If we re-install a DoF it will be to co-ordinate scouting and assist Garlick in finalising the deals. Pulis will still have final say and be able to identify his own targets.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 08, 2016, 03:41:38 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2016, 02:56:12 PM
I tend to agree with Garry, walking out on Crystal Palace was a one time thing that he arguably can't afford to do again, much like Hodgson we will be his penultimate job, and while I don't see him getting as big a job as Anfield, he will look to cement his reputation with us. Maybe he wants the Wales job before he retires?

I'm much more in the mindset that he'll sign an extension in the summer as opposed to taking his ball and going home.

Indeed, when Pulis gets to semi retirement age he has Wales or Orlando City as banker options. I think Coleman will get a 2 year extension to take him up to the next World Cup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on March 09, 2016, 02:15:56 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 08, 2016, 02:42:32 PM
As things stand at the moment, I could see TP going to Newcastle in the next few days. We are all but safe & he would have 9 games to save them from the drop. I could see Mike Ashley being desperate enough to buy out TP's contract, & it would be a nice face-saver for JP.
If Newcastle replace Mclaren with somebody else, I couldn't see another ready made job for TP to walk into.
way too dangerous for Pulis. He loves his not been relegated stat and that is too risky with Newcastle at the moment. Also if JP is hard, Ashley is a loose cannon. When he came last season he said it was his hardest job ever, if he went there at this stage it would be way too hard.
I guess the one bonus is that with sports direct he would get lots of glistening white trainers from Ashley ;) Although he would get lower than minimum wage :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on March 09, 2016, 02:44:39 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 08, 2016, 03:41:38 PM
Indeed, when Pulis gets to semi retirement age he has Wales or Orlando City as banker options. I think Coleman will get a 2 year extension to take him up to the next World Cup.

Coleman's about to sign a new deal and you'd assume it'll be a 4 year job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on March 09, 2016, 06:04:26 AM
A man who has a record of never being relegated and has just secured safety for his club, will go and join one that is almost down?

" I think you're entering the realms of fantasy here Jones."  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on March 09, 2016, 06:29:18 AM
I think we've seen what can be done with average players properly organised over the last four games or so.
I'm anti Pulisball, but that's not what we've seen the last four games.
We've seen a better organised attacking kind of football, ok the opposition have again had more possession but I would argue that 50% of that is along their own back four line.
Foster had one direct shot to save on Sunday.
We've argued that we don't score enough goals. We've scored the same number of goals at home as Arsenal, Liverpool and Man U.
Personally if we can play most of our games in a season the same way as we've played our last four then I see no benefit of changing the manager.
The meeting at the end of the season should be interesting, I think JP will be more than eager to keep Pulis especially if we get more than our current best of 49 points, and I would imagine Pulis will be quite happy if he gets his first ever top ten finish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 09, 2016, 08:26:44 AM
Quote from: divinewind on March 09, 2016, 06:04:26 AM
A man who has a record of never being relegated and has just secured safety for his club, will go and join one that is almost down?

" I think you're entering the realms of fantasy here Jones."  :)

I'm not sure 1 point from safety with 30 to play for is almost down.

In terms of results, TP has done well here, but, is there enough money in WBA with JP in stewardship, to fulfill TP's ambitions?
Like it or not, in our current position, Newcastle are a far wealthier club than us, & although there might be some risks involved, TP could be tempted IMO.
As far as the Graham Carr position at Newcastle is concerned, TP could negotiate his stance there as part of the contract.
Will it happen, I'm not sure, but certainly not a fantasy concept.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 09, 2016, 11:27:31 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 09, 2016, 08:26:44 AM
I'm not sure 1 point from safety with 30 to play for is almost down.

In terms of results, TP has done well here, but, is there enough money in WBA with JP in stewardship, to fulfill TP's ambitions?
Like it or not, in our current position, Newcastle are a far wealthier club than us, & although there might be some risks involved, TP could be tempted IMO.
As far as the Graham Carr position at Newcastle is concerned, TP could negotiate his stance there as part of the contract.
Will it happen, I'm not sure, but certainly not a fantasy concept.

Newcastle are in probably in full blown panic mode and if they think TP is the answer have the ability to throw an awful lot of money at him and again given their current plight would make whatever arrangements needed to be made to get him on board. Accepting all that I still don't see TP going there with 9 games left and almost regardless be 50:50 to be relegated. His "Red Adair" image is very bankable until he is relegated and then it becomes rapidly devalued so why take the chance? If the approach was made at Christmas then that is a different matter, if he wasn't at a club that would demand £2m compensation for the remainder of his contract he would be the perfect off the shelf rescue service.

With regard to matching TP's ambitions very few clubs that would hire him are going to give him a lot more money and the same level of control over transfers. He might get an opportunity at a bigger club but he would probably only going to get them in a distressed state and then only have a limited opportunity to work with them post rescue.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on March 09, 2016, 12:01:34 PM
Quote from: Standaman on March 09, 2016, 11:27:31 AM
Newcastle are in probably in full blown panic mode and if they think TP is the answer have the ability to throw an awful lot of money at him and again given their current plight would make whatever arrangements needed to be made to get him on board. Accepting all that I still don't see TP going there with 9 games left and almost regardless be 50:50 to be relegated. His "Red Adair" image is very bankable until he is relegated and then it becomes rapidly devalued so why take the chance? If the approach was made at Christmas then that is a different matter, if he wasn't at a club that would demand £2m compensation for the remainder of his contract he would be the perfect off the shelf rescue service.

With regard to matching TP's ambitions very few clubs that would hire him are going to give him a lot more money and the same level of control over transfers. He might get an opportunity at a bigger club but he would probably only going to get them in a distressed state and then only have a limited opportunity to work with them post rescue.

According to the latest news Moyes or Benitez are favourites to take over before next Monday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 09, 2016, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on March 09, 2016, 12:01:34 PM
According to the latest news Moyes or Benitez are favourites to take over before next Monday

I would laugh myself hoarse if they appoint either and  still go down which I think is still a 50:50 proposition whoever they appoint. If they don't fire Mclaren now having publicly undermined him they are near certain to go. Why would any manager at a stable premier league club even consider joining that madhouse?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on March 09, 2016, 02:59:41 PM
Quote from: Standaman on March 09, 2016, 12:35:57 PM
I would laugh myself hoarse if they appoint either and  still go down which I think is still a 50:50 proposition whoever they appoint. If they don't fire Mclaren now having publicly undermined him they are near certain to go. Why would any manager at a stable premier league club even consider joining that madhouse?

Fancy changing your manager every season, good job we have long term stability with 18months eh!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 09, 2016, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: darbolina on March 09, 2016, 02:59:41 PM
Fancy changing your manager every season, good job we have long term stability with 18months eh!

I'm laughing more at Townsend and Shelvey having joined them to play in the Championship....

In all seriousness I think Pulis could be tempted.  He is extremely motivated by money and a huge bonus for keeping them up (and let's be honest it's wide open between 3 clubs for 2 relegation spots) would attract him if he's paid enough upfront to make the move.  Financially he can win either way.  There could well be a deal to be done there.

If they still go down then he can very easily protect his reputation by claiming that he only 9 had games and he inherited a complete shambles.  If they study up then he's a hero again.

I cannot see Moyes or Benitez going there except on a 3-month contract.  Pearson more likely than either of those two.





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 09, 2016, 07:16:57 PM
How could TP get JP to terminate his contract, without huge compensation?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 09, 2016, 07:19:21 PM
This is a total non starter. Not sure why we're even debating it. Pulis will not be going to Newcastle this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 09, 2016, 07:40:59 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 09, 2016, 07:19:21 PM
This is a total non starter. Not sure why we're even debating it. Pulis will not be going to Newcastle this season.
He certainly didn't turn up when he went there earlier in the season  :-X :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 09, 2016, 10:36:42 PM
He has stabilised the ship.
In the summer window maybe he will strengthen the squad and go forward.
He has made some terrible signings...but which manager for whatever team hasn't?
I am/was anti Pulisball..I had been lambasted by calling it hoofball at the beginning, but I think that I have been vindicated because of that style....Others have accepted why I call it that.
I am now prepared to give him his head, and grow the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 11, 2016, 04:55:15 PM
I stopped taking interest for this season after the reading game just too many emotions involved that whole day and for the first time ever i haven't honestly even thought about us when we are playing sadly :(.

Anyway on the flip i see we have 39 points from 29 games i will say that is fantastic and i have also heard we are playing much nicer football and banging in the goals, that is all we can ask for hes points tally is fantastic at the moment and he along with the players deserve great credit for that well done boys.

I honestly think at the moment it is a case of better the devil you know and we would possibly go down without him the problem is i just don't see where the entertainment lies with the premiership and cup wise we reach the 5th and quarters and seem to not want to make history i don't understand that.

Fair play to all of those who pour money into the club to watch us finish 13th and beat arsenal etc but for me id rather be competing for the play offs in the championship not a moan just a pure observation, we could also be mid table in championship competing for nothing which would be worse than at the moment of course.

Hope everyone off the board is well, hour and half left work then back home to watch the quarters should be a good game.

boing boing.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrumpyBaggie on March 11, 2016, 06:29:23 PM
Four games ago the majority of Baggies fans were reaching for Pulis’s throat, but after three wins and a draw out of four games, virtually ensuring Premier league status, the feeling is that really he is a  shrewd tactician and a jolly good fellow.   It would appear that his job is now secured for next season, unless he decides to walk away for a new, more lucrative, challenge.  However, the old saying that leopards don’t change their spots is pretty accurate, especially when the leopard is as old as Tone.  His speciality is grinding out results to stave off relegation.  His mantra is keep a sheet at all costs because it will yield an average of two points.  This philosophy is never going to consistently produce scintillating football.  While I appreciate that every fan wants his team to win, by whatever means, it is not much fun watching it – indeed as several posters have said you might as well lust listen to the results. 

So, how can we ensure more adventurous football, without banning Pulis, Allerdyce, Van Gall and disciples?   In 1981 three points for a win was introduced and the general opinion is that it was successful in producing more attacking football.  I believe it is time to make further changes to the points awarded to make ultra-defensive play less rewarding.  I suggest the following.

I would retain the one point for a draw – except for scoreless draws, for which no points should be awarded to either team. 

For a win a team would get three points – with the following exceptions
1.   A one – nil win would only be rewarded by two points.
2.   A victory by 3 or four goals would attract 4 points, e.g. 3-0, 5-2 etc
3.   A victory by 5 or more goals would be rewarded by 5 points.

This would make the strategy of going into a game to defend and keep a clean sheet, hoping to nick a goal much less attractive – now only worth an average of one point instead of two.  It would also give teams who are winning comfortably by a two or three goal margin an incentive to maintain their tempo in a quest for bonus points.

I have recalculated the league table based on my suggested points system and the table would be as follows.  The figures are games played, goal difference, and points respectively.  Spot the biggest loser!!!!


Leicester      29   21   57
Tottenham   29   27   54
Man City      28   21   51
Arsenal        29   16   51
West Ham   29   12   45
Liverpool     28   6   42
Man Utd      29   10   41
Everton       28   12   39
Southampton 29  7   38
Chelsea       29    4   37
Stoke          29   -3   35
Watford       29   -1   32
West Brom  29   -6   29
C. Palace     29   -7   29
Bournemouth 29   -10   29
Swansea     29   -9   27
Sunderland 29   -19   25
Norwich      29   -23   23
Newcastle   28   -25   21
Aston Villa  29   -33   12

 Of course in reality one hopes that the managers would adjust their tactics.

The other possibility to give more advantage to the attacking size is rather more controversial.  In 1882 the size of the goals was fixed at 24 feet by 8 feet.  It has never been revised, despite the increase in average height of around 5% in the population and greatly enhanced mobility of goalkeepers through better training and clothing. 
If the height was increased by 9 inches and the width by 18 inches then almost all shots which currently hit the woodwork would result in goals (the diameter of a football being 9 inches).  More goals and more incentive to shoot.  And think of the bonanza for goalpost manufacturers….

Anyone else got ideas to hasten the extinction of Pulisball?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 12, 2016, 07:31:31 AM
Why? Defending is a valid part of the game.  Your system will just hand a massive advantage to the club's with all the money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 12, 2016, 08:13:09 AM
you can't have the same points for losing as you do for a 0-0 draw, that's just ridiculous and wouldn't work. If you are going to have 0 points for a 0-0 then you would have to have minus points for a defeat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2016, 09:09:01 AM
Far too complicated?

Why not just consider "goals scored", as opposed to "goal difference" in the league table?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 12, 2016, 09:15:19 AM
No need to change the league system just because you don't like a manager and the way he sets his team up to play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 12, 2016, 09:33:02 AM
When ultra defensive football does not succeed (it doesn't beyond a certain point) teams will stop playing it but in the meantime the likes of Pulis will trot it out to get a club to safety. It absolutely has to progress if the club wants to go beyond mid-table or have a genuine tilt at a cup to do that you have to take risks on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on March 12, 2016, 09:43:21 AM
Didn't it used to be separated on goals scored pre premier league
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 12, 2016, 09:58:59 AM
That's a lot of calculating you've done there! Didn't change the table all that massively though did it - a few out of place but not many....

I take your point though we all crave more attack.

I was one of the pitchfork bearers prior to our last four games and I agree we are going to get some really crappy games ahead of us with the Pulis system. The ones that make you cringe.

But right now? Ten points from the last four league matches? I'm in a small state of shock and very very pleased.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 12, 2016, 10:21:25 AM
The goal size is an interesting point, but ball technology and improved pitches, boots etc probably make it easier to score so probably balances out the increase in human size.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 12, 2016, 10:28:28 AM
I remember the MLS having the idea of widening the goal posts for more high scoring games. Goalscoring is a skill. Having larger goals will just lower the standard of play. You will have 4th division players banging in 30 goals a season without breaking sweat.

Keeping a clean sheet is also an art. Why should a new points system hamper teams who defend well? You may as well change the rules so no more than 2 defenders can be in the 18 yard box at the same time? Turn a traditional game into a male equivalent of netball :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on March 12, 2016, 10:36:35 AM
At times like this I doubt my own sanity for being part of an online football community.

5 minutes of my life that I will never get back.
 :-X.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on March 12, 2016, 11:21:28 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 12, 2016, 09:09:01 AM
Far too complicated?

Why not just consider "goals scored", as opposed to "goal difference" in the league table?
Wasnt this tried once?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2016, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: weareblueweare white on March 12, 2016, 11:21:28 AM
Wasnt this tried once?

Could have been, I'm not sure.

IMO it depends on the Head Coach's mind set, being fairly cautious myself, I think if I could get 2 points for a win or 5 for a victory of more than 5 goals, I would set my stall out to win 1-0 on most occasions.

Although the objective in individual games is to win & accrue league points, surely the season objective is to get as high a position in the league that you can, which means that you also have to stop your competitors accruing points.
On that basis, there would still be a high level of defensive strategy needed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on March 12, 2016, 11:40:20 AM
There's this fallacy that high scoring games are entertaining and low scoring games aren't. There's also a belief that pragmatic, defence-first football can't be successful, when in actual fact some very successful manager have been pragmatic, putting function over form.

One of the best games I've been to in recent years was the 0-0 draw between us and Man City under Hodgson. It was a great game where we dug in and defended for our lives, but it was truly entertaining.

People wouldn't play defensive or pragmatic football if it wasn't effective. Capello and Mourinho are just two example of managers who have won multiple honours playing fairly rigid setups. You could also point to teams like Southampton and Swansea who, despite playing nice football, haven't really achieved much. Leicester are the obvious example of defensive football yielding results.

Pulis' football gets results and recent games have shown a better blend of defensive pragmatism and possession football. We can but hope it continues that way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2016, 12:17:00 PM
Agree with that Mark.

One of the most boring & one-sided games I've seen at the Hawthorns was us beating Barnsley 7 - 0.

Give me the cut and thrust of a 0-0 any day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on March 12, 2016, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 12, 2016, 12:17:00 PM
Agree with that Mark.

One of the most boring & one-sided games I've seen at the Hawthorns was us beating Barnsley 7 - 0.

Give me the cut and thrust of a 0-0 any day.

Agreed, likewise the 6-2 against Gateshead was incredibly dull.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 12, 2016, 01:04:04 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 12, 2016, 12:17:00 PM

One of the most boring & one-sided games I've seen at the Hawthorns was us beating Barnsley 7 - 0.


I was at that game, only time I've felt bad for the opposition.

I love that moment when we score, so I see your point in that 1-1 is a more thrilling game. But I'd to hand out a few 5-0s a season if honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on March 12, 2016, 02:01:44 PM
Those that say one sided games are boring, when we beat Wolves 5-1 was that boring?

I'm not a Pulis fan one bit, but 0-0 or 1-0 doesn't bother me at all, all I want is to at least see us try and win games or scores as apposed sitting back to see how long we can hold out for
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 12, 2016, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Standaman on March 12, 2016, 09:33:02 AM
When ultra defensive football does not succeed (it doesn't beyond a certain point) teams will stop playing it but in the meantime the likes of Pulis will trot it out to get a club to safety. It absolutely has to progress if the club wants to go beyond mid-table or have a genuine tilt at a cup to do that you have to take risks on the pitch.

That's a better way of putting it than my mumble but yeah that's my general feeling on it, be nice to see us grab the incentive in cup games and have tad more ambition, long before pulis that's been a problem though he's just carried it on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bakebaggie on March 12, 2016, 06:18:33 PM
Pulis sighting this afternoon in the stands at the Bournemouth/Swansea match. Had a kid sitting in his lap and looked to be enjoying the weekend off. Wasn't wearing a cap either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2016, 06:31:02 PM
Quote from: bakebaggie on March 12, 2016, 06:18:33 PM
Pulis sighting this afternoon in the stands at the Bournemouth/Swansea match. Had a kid sitting in his lap and looked to be enjoying the weekend off. Wasn't wearing a cap either.

Local game for him, he only lives round the corner at Sandbanks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 12, 2016, 06:56:24 PM
Chelsea won the Champions League playing far more attritional stuff than us in the the SF and Final.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on March 12, 2016, 07:03:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 12, 2016, 06:56:24 PM
Chelsea won the Champions League playing far more attritional stuff than us in the the SF and Final.

Against infinitely times a billion better teams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 12, 2016, 07:50:23 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on March 12, 2016, 07:03:42 PM
Against infinitely times a billion better teams.

Just responding to the fact someone suggested we had to play better football to win a cup. Not true, we just need to get lucky for 3 or matches in a row.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 12, 2016, 08:28:49 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 12, 2016, 07:50:23 PM
Just responding to the fact someone suggested we had to play better football to win a cup. Not true, we just need to get lucky for 3 or matches in a row.

Again simply not true and disrespectful to the teams who engrave there name in history as being lucky.

You make your own luck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 12, 2016, 08:32:43 PM
Is England not winning a major trophy for 45 years unlucky then same as us not winning a cup for near on 60 ?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 12, 2016, 09:10:12 PM
When Pulis got to his first major final, he won the semi final 5-0.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 12, 2016, 09:17:55 PM
Di Matteo's Chelsea winning the Champions League was one of the 'luckiest' things in history, 270 minutes of pure backs to the wall stuff, you know, the type of football we're really good at but is constantly labelled as lucky...  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIE5 on March 12, 2016, 09:32:19 PM
He was at the Bournmouth game today.. I wonder who he went to see?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 12, 2016, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: BAGGIE5 on March 12, 2016, 09:32:19 PM
He was at the Bournmouth game today.. I wonder who he went to see?

He lives on Sandbanks, its his local club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 12, 2016, 10:16:12 PM
Chelsea's performances in the DiMateo season were no more or less attritional than ours were against Everton  and occasionally the defending team gets a result but run that Everton game ten times and we would be fortunate to win twice. The attacking team is more likely to be the winner and the more frequently you hand the initiative to your opponent the more likely you are to lose. There is a limit to what can be achieved by just being difficult to beat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2016, 03:03:53 AM
Quote from: Standaman on March 12, 2016, 10:16:12 PM
Chelsea's performances in the DiMateo season were no more or less attritional than ours were against Everton  and occasionally the defending team gets a result but run that Everton game ten times and we would be fortunate to win twice. The attacking team is more likely to be the winner and the more frequently you hand the initiative to your opponent the more likely you are to lose. There is a limit to what can be achieved by just being difficult to beat.

That Chelsea team won the Champions League playing that way; the elite competition in world football. To suggest we couldn't win the League Cup or FA Cup doing similar is plainly false, and spin to support your incessant "Pulis is Devil" narrative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on March 13, 2016, 04:00:24 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2016, 03:03:53 AM
That Chelsea team won the Champions League playing that way; the elite competition in world football. To suggest we couldn't win the League Cup or FA Cup doing similar is plainly false, and spin to support your incessant "Pulis is Devil" narrative.


I tend to agree with you largely. I seem to recall Italy winning the world cup behind a defensive strategy as well. Plus Greece and Denmark winning the Euros.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 13, 2016, 07:32:21 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 12, 2016, 09:10:12 PM
When Pulis got to his first major final, he won the semi final 5-0.

I would class our quarter final with villa is a major final but there you go.

Standaman is right the limit to what we can achieve under pulis is set however he ensures fans that we don't go down and people like that, I stick by my opinion we would probably go down if we changed hands next season we could also break the top 10 or win the fa cup life's a risk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 13, 2016, 09:34:31 AM
Chelsea almost certainly didn't park the bus through the whole UCL campaign particularly when playing weaker sides and their win was remarkable, because it required them to rescue [/b]losing positions[/b] that in combination were probably more than 1000/1 against. Yes playing attritional football might result in the occasional success but for the most part it doesn't.

Can Pulis win a domestic trophy playing that way? Of course he might but he hasn't to date and his last two attempts here ended in abject failure against weaker teams. Do I regard Pulis as the devil incarnate? No but I don't care for his brand of football nor will I ever accept it is the only way we can succeed in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on March 13, 2016, 11:52:20 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on March 12, 2016, 08:32:43 PM
Is England not winning a major trophy for 45 years unlucky then same as us not winning a cup for near on 60 ?.

Your maths is absolutely shocking.
 :P ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 13, 2016, 12:08:12 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on March 13, 2016, 11:52:20 AM
Your maths is absolutely shocking.
 :P ;).

50 years or so for England, 50 odd for Albion  :D get the point I'm making anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 19, 2016, 08:31:47 AM
I hear today he says he wants to stay and build a legacy . His comments after the reading game were enhanced somewhat by the media. I for one think we need him, not pretty at times and frustrating but he will keep us in the greed league whilst at the club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 19, 2016, 09:35:58 AM
Happy for him to stay if we play as we have in the last 3 or 4.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 19, 2016, 10:03:29 AM
As ever fine by me if his approach is similar to that has been adopted in recent weeks rather than the bulk of his tenure. It is sounding increasingly likely that we are about to find out at least for next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 19, 2016, 10:18:58 AM
I would be in no rush to extend his current deal lets put it that way. For me I would like the club to see how the summer window and the first couple of months into next season go before making any firm decision on his long term future at the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 19, 2016, 05:47:40 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on March 19, 2016, 08:31:47 AM
I hear today he says he wants to stay and build a legacy . His comments after the reading game were enhanced somewhat by the media. I for one think we need him, not pretty at times and frustrating but he will keep us in the greed league whilst at the club
a legacy can be seen to be a bad or a good thing in later times, I guess that there would be just as much debate about pulis in 20yrs time as there is today.
I for one will never forget him. am grateful that for two seasons he has kept us up but long term I cannot see him achieving anything other than survival at the albion.
legacy your having a laugh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on March 19, 2016, 06:04:50 PM
Where are the Pulis lovers tonight?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 19, 2016, 06:08:29 PM
Quote from: BB74 on March 19, 2016, 06:04:50 PM
Where are the Pulis lovers tonight?

Poor comment and to be honest not wanted on here.

Its a never ending circle, one bad result and we get the one side chirping up, a good result and the other side start. Helps no-one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2016, 06:17:19 PM
Quote from: BB74 on March 19, 2016, 06:04:50 PM
Where are the Pulis lovers tonight?

Forum has been quiet all day. Today's result should be firmly levelled at the players in any case.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 19, 2016, 06:22:48 PM
I am here and hope he stays.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2016, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2016, 06:17:19 PM
Forum has been quiet all day. Today's result should be firmly levelled at the players in any case.

Tend to agree Jacko, really lethargic from the players today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 19, 2016, 06:28:04 PM
It's all so blooming predictable.

Home against good teams or away against almost anyone we are decent. How we are built allows us to take advantage of them attacking more.

At home against bottom 8 clubs we invite wave after wave of pressure, eventually conceding and then we're screwed due to our having time wasted since the 40th min.

We will end up about 13th and may even break the points record. But i still want him gone, we could be so much more with the right manager.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 19, 2016, 06:34:48 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on March 19, 2016, 06:22:48 PM
I am here and hope he stays.
Me too Gloster
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on March 19, 2016, 06:45:27 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on March 19, 2016, 06:22:48 PM
I am here and hope he stays.

I hope he leaves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2016, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on March 19, 2016, 06:28:04 PM
It's all so blooming predictable.

Home against good teams or away against almost anyone we are decent. How we are built allows us to take advantage of them attacking more.

At home against bottom 8 clubs we invite wave after wave of pressure, eventually conceding and then we're screwed due to our having time wasted since the 40th min.

We will end up about 13th and may even break the points record. But i still want him gone, we could be so much more with the right manager.

1. None of this happened today.

2. Feel the polar opposite, I think ANY other manager within our reach would have this poor squad in the bottom 3
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 19, 2016, 06:54:01 PM
im undecided, don't hate the bloke but don't want to have his children either.
if he stays he will probably keep us up again but hopefully he will recruit the right players and play a more positive system.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on March 19, 2016, 06:58:49 PM
Norwich did to us today what we have done to other teams in the past .

I was bored senseless but there you go .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 19, 2016, 07:02:36 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on March 19, 2016, 06:54:01 PM
im undecided, don't hate the bloke but don't want to have his children either.
if he stays he will probably keep us up again but hopefully he will recruit the right players and play a more positive system.

I'm similar. Didn't want him, wouldn't be disappointed if he went but he's not as bad as some make out at times.

I put all my thoughts of him from Stoke away to judge him on his time here, pity a few others couldn't due that at times as in some cases their personal feelings are over the top and no matter what he does they will never give credit at all but very quick to comment when things haven't gone well, thats not just on here before I get the complaints from some but elsewhere as well.

Theres been some absolute dire stuff at times but also more decent stuff than I expected, over the course of the season i'd probably give him 6.5/10 pushing to 7/10 for having to work with what he has. He has made a couple of strange signings but also in Fletcher, Rondon and Evans some decent ones as well.

The Premier League is great for a neutral, reality for clubs like us is staying in the league at all costs. For us as fans customers absolute boredom.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on March 19, 2016, 07:36:39 PM
Quote from: BB74 on March 19, 2016, 06:04:50 PM
Where are the Pulis lovers tonight?

Don't love him, but certainly support him and respect what he brings to a football club.

We have been like this for a number of years now under a number of different managers/head coaches, play well, play poorly, get unexpected points against the big boys and mess up home bankers...we should know what we are by now...and be grateful where we are.

Dark days over in Aston... :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 19, 2016, 07:43:06 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on March 19, 2016, 07:02:36 PM
I'm similar. Didn't want him, wouldn't be disappointed if he went but he's not as bad as some make out at times.

I put all my thoughts of him from Stoke away to judge him on his time here, pity a few others couldn't due that at times as in some cases their personal feelings are over the top and no matter what he does they will never give credit at all but very quick to comment when things haven't gone well, thats not just on here before I get the complaints from some but elsewhere as well.

Theres been some absolute dire stuff at times but also more decent stuff than I expected, over the course of the season i'd probably give him 6.5/10 pushing to 7/10 for having to work with what he has. He has made a couple of strange signings but also in Fletcher, Rondon and Evans some decent ones as well.

The Premier League is great for a neutral, reality for clubs like us is staying in the league at all costs. For us as fans[/s customers absolute boredom.
bottom line is that today we was contesting 10th place in the toughest league in the world against the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea, Southampton and Everton.
like or dislike mr pulis that's some achievement with this squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 19, 2016, 07:44:04 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on March 19, 2016, 06:22:48 PM
I am here and hope he stays.

And me, played pretty much the same team and most were very poor.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 19, 2016, 07:51:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2016, 06:50:26 PM
1. None of this happened today.

2. Feel the polar opposite, I think ANY other manager within our reach would have this poor squad in the bottom 3

To be fair i stopped watching at half time as I'm on holiday tomorrow and decided to pack rather than get mad any more.

I've just checked our results against the bottom clubs and its 3 wins, 2 draws and 2 loses, which is better than i thought, but we're still winning less than half of the games at home against clubs that are normally low on confidence and normally can't score and always concede, so that's not a great record.

I just wish Pulis had a 2nd mode for these games, more creative and attack minded in his team choice. Playing Jonas at CB, forcing Evans wide cost us in both CB and FB as Poco could have attacked and Evans could have played more through the middle.

As someone put it on Twitter earlier, why on Earth does Pulis not attempt to actually win games, because i think it's clear that all he actually aims to do is not lose them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 19, 2016, 08:12:11 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 19, 2016, 07:44:04 PM
And me, played pretty much the same team and most were very poor.
I think it is much harder than some people realise to keep us in a safe position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on March 19, 2016, 08:23:46 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on March 19, 2016, 07:51:37 PM
I've just checked our results against the bottom clubs and its 3 wins, 2 draws and 2 loses, which is better than i thought, but we're still winning less than half of the games at home against clubs that are normally low on confidence and normally can't score and always concede, so that's not a great record.

Not sure what you mean...

We have  taken points from all of the bottom 7 (including 5 wins) and six of the top 7 (including 4 wins)

...that means Premier League safety regardless of the finer detail?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on March 19, 2016, 08:25:59 PM
I want Pulis gone but after the 4 games before Norwich i feel like he deserves 1 more window to build his team and see how it goes up to Christmas or end of next season. If there is no improvement in performances then he has to go.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 19, 2016, 08:47:53 PM
It's been said a few times in the odd article and I firmly agree with this stance on Pulis, that his style means two things: Firstly, relegation is probably avoidable. But secondly, so is the top 10.

In some games, he can match the top 4 teams and beat them, which is fantastic and this is why he always avoids relegation, because he will always have a result in him from somewhere and has enough about him to grind out points. However, as today showed; he can also get caught out and drop a lot of points to the lesser teams of the league. He did this last year and has already done so this year.

I'm a fan of his and think he's done well, but lets be real, if he had £100 million to spend I genuinely think we'd finish 13th. On the flip side, I think if he spent £0 we'd probably still finish 13th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on March 19, 2016, 08:48:24 PM
He's done enough in recent weeks to merit another window.

The only one(s) who need to take blame today are the players. Lacklustre performance (Jacob and GMac aside)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on March 19, 2016, 10:41:32 PM
The players have to take much blame for today and a few need replacing but Pulis commented in his half-time talk that he wanted them to keep it tight and a clean sheet so that indicates to me that he still sets us up most of the time with little attacking intent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 19, 2016, 11:18:56 PM
Keep him and achieve 44 or so points for he's tenure here for a good few years or feck him off an get relegated lol life's good un ain't it  :D.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 20, 2016, 03:52:54 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on March 19, 2016, 08:47:53 PM
It's been said a few times in the odd article and I firmly agree with this stance on Pulis, that his style means two things: Firstly, relegation is probably avoidable. But secondly, so is the top 10.

In some games, he can match the top 4 teams and beat them, which is fantastic and this is why he always avoids relegation, because he will always have a result in him from somewhere and has enough about him to grind out points. However, as today showed; he can also get caught out and drop a lot of points to the lesser teams of the league. He did this last year and has already done so this year.

I'm a fan of his and think he's done well, but lets be real, if he had £100 million to spend I genuinely think we'd finish 13th. On the flip side, I think if he spent £0 we'd probably still finish 13th.


Spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on March 20, 2016, 10:22:37 AM
My only concern is if Pulis goes, who we would replace him with. Unless the club pushes the boat out and get in somebody experienced then we will be left with another Irvine or similar.

At least with Pulis we have a fair chance of staying up year after year albeit in comatose mode.

Most of the football has been dross this season, with the odd bits of excitement to keep us interested, however it's not just Pulis fault. We seem to have at least half the squad in comfort mode who only turn up every few games with the rest of the squad carrying them.

I'm neither for or against Pulis, but would hate to change him for some unknown manager wannabe who is really only good at coaching.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on March 20, 2016, 11:06:30 AM
The majority of the football we played this season has been awful and that's why TP should go. Great to see us safe but we are embarrassing to watch at times, players the club have invested in are better than this. Why have we no pace in midfield and why do we not play with conventional fullbacks all questions to you Tony
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 20, 2016, 11:26:54 AM
Pulis knows how to grind enough results out to stay up. The football all but the rate occasion is absolute dross. Our squad is old and slow and needs tlc but how Pulis sets up week in week out playing 4cbs and the worlds slowest midfield just asks for trouble. Beating sides by 1 fortunate goal every so often just seems pointless in my eyes.

Can't ever see him buying pacey fullbacks yet even if he did not sure he would play them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 20, 2016, 02:23:13 PM
I stopped following it when they said ricky Lambert was coming on to try and claw the game back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on March 20, 2016, 10:26:53 PM
I think much like a lot of other teams in this league we are just a very average side, I don't buy into us having a top ten side because we aren't good enough. Like the last few seasons we are firmly a 11-15th placed side and it will take a lot of desire and commitment to rise above that. Sadly pulis is a good fit, and in managers like Irvine and Pepe, we just weren't drilled enough, in fact we didn't know what we were. I stand by the fact we need pulis to keep stability in this club and live in hope we can be that little bit better next season with some new blood in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 20, 2016, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: crazedwbafan18 on March 20, 2016, 10:26:53 PM
I think much like a lot of other teams in this league we are just a very average side, I don't buy into us having a top ten side because we aren't good enough. Like the last few seasons we are firmly a 11-15th placed side and it will take a lot of desire and commitment to rise above that. Sadly pulis is a good fit, and in managers like Irvine and Pepe, we just weren't drilled enough, in fact we didn't know what we were. I stand by the fact we need pulis to keep stability in this club and live in hope we can be that little bit better next season with some new blood in the summer.
I have to say Sir that is refreshing common sense. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_jd26 on March 20, 2016, 11:10:59 PM
I don't know how to feel. I dislike the football we are playing and quite frankly am bored of it. I actually think that despite the good recent results we haven't been playing well (bar the man utd game where they had 10 men for a majority) so the Norwich result didnt really surprise me, we had it coming.

However, with Pulis in charge I have no fear about us being relegated.
I think the fact we arent really playing for anything along with the dross that is being served up on the pitch is whats led to me feeling indifferent about the games for the first time ever. I dont feel the excitement of going to games any more, and am seriously questioning renewing my season ticket.

The squad needs major overhaul, for years we have been recruiting aging players that will do a job for 1 or 2 seasons. We need to lower the age of the squad, bring in some younger hungrier players, even if they're using us as a stepping stone for bigger and better things. Not only will this benefit the team but players will have a sell on value and we might even be able to make a profit. The question i ask is, do I feel Pulis is the right man to oversee this? Unfortunately not.

I think we should go all out to get someone like Brendan Rogers,  good experience with young players and has something to prove yet has experience at this level. And not give them an end of season target of staying up, but a 4/5 year target of reaching the final of a cup and challenging for the european spots.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on March 21, 2016, 09:06:49 AM
Quote from: crazedwbafan18 on March 20, 2016, 10:26:53 PM
I think much like a lot of other teams in this league we are just a very average side, I don't buy into us having a top ten side because we aren't good enough. Like the last few seasons we are firmly a 11-15th placed side and it will take a lot of desire and commitment to rise above that. Sadly pulis is a good fit, and in managers like Irvine and Pepe, we just weren't drilled enough, in fact we didn't know what we were. I stand by the fact we need pulis to keep stability in this club and live in hope we can be that little bit better next season with some new blood in the summer.

Very sensible post.

Without significant investment, Pulis is a decent fit for us in the short-term......for clubs like us , generally the only way is down which is not always the worst thing for the football side (although it is the financial side).

Unless there is an appetite and energy at the top of the club to begin another overhaul beginning with a manager who has a different 'idealistic' approach similar to a Howe, Martinez, Rodgers, Mowbray etc....then there would be no point in changing Pulis. In fact, he probably deserves another window to see if he can address the gaping holes in our squad regarding full backs, pace and ball carriers in midfield!?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 21, 2016, 09:11:40 AM
Quote from: crazedwbafan18 on March 20, 2016, 10:26:53 PM
I think much like a lot of other teams in this league we are just a very average side, I don't buy into us having a top ten side because we aren't good enough. Like the last few seasons we are firmly a 11-15th placed side and it will take a lot of desire and commitment to rise above that. Sadly pulis is a good fit, and in managers like Irvine and Pepe, we just weren't drilled enough, in fact we didn't know what we were. I stand by the fact we need pulis to keep stability in this club and live in hope we can be that little bit better next season with some new blood in the summer.

Good post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on March 21, 2016, 04:24:42 PM
People can point the finger at the fact that the squad is old and slow yet Pulis has made 11 signings since he's been here which is near half a squad. Only 3 of those started on Saturday. Despite spending a lot of money by our standards we have not really improved. Giving him another window doesn't mean he'll buy any better or change the way we play. More of the same will come. If people are content with staying in this league playing the dross we've served this season then fine but it's not for me. We need to be bold and bring a coach in who can move us one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on March 21, 2016, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: darbolina on March 21, 2016, 09:06:49 AM
Very sensible post.

Without significant investment, Pulis is a decent fit for us in the short-term......for clubs like us , generally the only way is down which is not always the worst thing for the football side (although it is the financial side).

Unless there is an appetite and energy at the top of the club to begin another overhaul beginning with a manager who has a different 'idealistic' approach similar to a Howe, Martinez, Rodgers, Mowbray etc....then there would be no point in changing Pulis. In fact, he probably deserves another window to see if he can address the gaping holes in our squad regarding full backs, pace and ball carriers in midfield!?

Ignoring his first window as he'd only just arrived, he's had 2 further windows and we've not bought in any of the above that you mention. I can't even remember being linked with a full back and history tells us he's not that keen on them anyhow.

I agree with you that Pulis was the right man for us on the short term. For me the short term finishes at the end of this season. A mid table finish gives us some stability and allows a new man time to build. Given another couple of windows under Pulis this squad could need an even bigger overhaul when he does eventually leave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on March 21, 2016, 11:53:33 PM
This giving him another window b@ll@x reminds me when people were saying dont worry we will be playing like crystal Palace this season  with a bit of pace.  Cue some of the shitt$st football in living memory.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on March 22, 2016, 01:36:14 AM
Thanks Tony but your time is up and the Norwich game was the reminder. No shots on target is a joke against a poor side, seems you have only one level survival where as us fans demand more so taxi for TP
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 22, 2016, 07:46:19 AM
Quote from: paulosull on March 22, 2016, 01:36:14 AM
Thanks Tony but your time is up and the Norwich game was the reminder. No shots on target is a joke against a poor side, seems you have only one level survival where as us fans demand more so taxi for TP

I would say it's split 50/50 or there abouts which is no where enough to make peace make a decision, if we get a takeover he may even stay on I can see pulis unfortunately staying here for good few years really, he fits our clubs mentality perfect, 5th round of cup of were lucky and 13th - 15th place finishes to secure the payments.

I'd get rid after Liverpool game regardless of if we even went down the following year, I'm of the belief that life is short and about risks and unless you take them then you will achieve zilch.

Not to mention my interest in the Albion is zero I haven't watched a single minute since probably the last 15 minutes against palace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 22, 2016, 07:50:35 AM
Quote from: paulosull on March 22, 2016, 01:36:14 AM
Thanks Tony but your time is up and the Norwich game was the reminder. No shots on target is a joke against a poor side, seems you have only one level survival where as us fans demand more so taxi for TP

It was pretty much the same side that impressed in the previous few matches, why are the players getting away with it yet again? When will they stand up and accept at least their fair share of responsibility for how this season has gone?

As for Pulis only having one level and that being survival I think you have to look much higher than Pulis at the club for that one as they don't care as long as we survive every season. We should be more concerned by how the club has been run by those from the very top the last few years than concentrate on Pulis and his performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 22, 2016, 07:54:02 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on March 22, 2016, 07:50:35 AM
It was pretty much the same side that impressed in the previous few matches, why are the players getting away with it yet again? When will they stand up and accept at least their fair share of responsibility for how this season has gone?

As for Pulis only having one level and that being survival I think you have to look much higher than Pulis at the club for that one as they don't care as long as we survive every season.

Can you expand on how this season has gone ?.

We have 39 points with 8 games left I have no interest in it after reading but there is no denying that's a good points tally for a club our size.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 22, 2016, 08:12:08 AM
I'm referring specifically to the games where we have simply not competed against, the likes of Norwich, Bournemouth, Southampton, Swansea and Villa. All of those games were home games and for most of the time we looked like we had a group of players in all games that hadn't played the game before and I'm leaving out the cup games against much poorer sides, that isn't all down to the way the side is set up.

The points tally so far is truly remarkable the way we have played most of the season but to lay all the blame at the manager for the all too common poor performances is wrong in my view. You have to look at the season as a whole and although the ultimate goal has been achieved in remaining in the Premier League a lot of performances have been pretty shocking, to go through so many games without a shot anywhere near the target is madness but it isn't all down to how the team are set up the players on the pitch simply haven't done enough but no one criticises them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 22, 2016, 08:13:36 AM
I remember Dan Ashworth saying that there was no ambition to try to get into Europe because the risk/benefit was too high, basically, you have to spend lots more to achieve a minimal return, that sounds okay on a purely business level, but in footballing terms it leads to stagnation which is where we are.

I still think Pulis is the best medium term option by the way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on March 22, 2016, 09:05:48 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on March 22, 2016, 07:50:35 AM
It was pretty much the same side that impressed in the previous few matches, why are the players getting away with it yet again? When will they stand up and accept at least their fair share of responsibility for how this season has gone?

As for Pulis only having one level and that being survival I think you have to look much higher than Pulis at the club for that one as they don't care as long as we survive every season. We should be more concerned by how the club has been run by those from the very top the last few years than concentrate on Pulis and his performance.

Exactly, you can't always pin it on Pulis. The same team has also played well at times this year. As others have said, we have average/ below average premier league players so we will get inconsistent performances. Pulis' primary job is to keep the club in the premier league. He's done that - well, with games to spare and we could still reach our most premier league points ever. I'm sure Peace would prefer us to play swashbuckling football and stay up but this is mostly a fan's concern.

Pulis won't change and will play for results without taking too many risks but we were apparently in the market for some potentially exciting players Antonio, Phillips and Sako to a degree. if we'd added one or two of Pulis' preferred attackers who knows.

We're apparently bringing in a director of football to oversee transfers which either means another pair of eyes ensuring Pulis doesn't sign players only for the short term. I've been in and around 50/50 with Pulis most of the season and a lot will depend on how we finish this season for me.

I can't help but look at Bournemouth, Watford, Leicester and other similar sized or smaller clubs than us and wonder whether longer term, we should be looking at a more imaginative manager who could keep us up whilst playing a more adventurous style? This would be a gamble for the club compared to Pulis though and if it were my business/ money, I'd probably go with a safer option....................?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 22, 2016, 09:19:57 AM
Quote from: darbolina on March 22, 2016, 09:05:48 AM
I can't help but look at Bournemouth, Watford, Leicester and other similar sized or smaller clubs than us and wonder whether longer term, we should be looking at a more imaginative manager who could keep us up whilst playing a more adventurous style? This would be a gamble for the club compared to Pulis though and if it were my business/ money, I'd probably go with a safer option....................?

We desperately needed a safe option after the way the club had been going in previous years and the best available option at the time was clearly Pulis. In the short term it has been pretty successful I just don't know if the club are doing enough to change what was clearly going wrong in the years prior to appointing Pulis, adding some kind of Sporting Director could be good but they need to make the right appointment.

We need everyone to be singing from the same hymn sheet to try and move this club forward if possible or even just to try and keep from falling further behind, we keep hearing Pulis state that the club needs to make changes but he isn't coming out and saying what changes he thinks needs to be made either. I would hope that with Pulis coming in and keeping us up two years running we will now be looking much further down the road and already have a more long-term plan in place for the future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 22, 2016, 09:35:30 AM
The overly dramatic "I'll talk to the Chairman at the end of the season" of a few weeks ago has now been clarified which would suggest there is no underlying tension between owner and manager.  I doubt whether we will be taken over in the short term so I suspect Tony will be in the job certainly for next season.

The last time the players were being blamed for their performances was under Mel. The last two appointments have let the players off the hook to a degree in the case of Irvine because it was universally panned by the fans and in the case of Pulis who is Mr Bovril loathed and loved in equal measure.In these circumstances fans are predisposed to look for fault in the manager so focus purely on their shortcomings either tactically and or in respect of team selection.

The ineptitude  Olsson is a case in point. I have watched him gift goals and games to the opposition under 4 different managers and his decline as a player has been notable since the 2nd half of Clarke's first season. If Olsson makes a mistake can I blame the manager? No only for playing him in the first place and even then if they don't have an alternative in the squad the manager is again blameless for the error that Olsson makes. The exception to this of course is if the manager's tactics forces into situations that expose his weaknesses rather than play to his strengths, e.g. the Mel high line.

The problem Pulis is one of style regardless of the players he has had, Pulisball has always been ugly his teams have always had one of the lowest goal totals their pass completion rates low and the number of passes attempted is low. His teams are just not very good to watch and when they lose there is usually nothing much for the fans to cling to.     

Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 22, 2016, 08:13:36 AM
I remember Dan Ashworth saying that there was no ambition to try to get into Europe because the risk/benefit was too high, basically, you have to spend lots more to achieve a minimal return, that sounds okay on a purely business level, but in footballing terms it leads to stagnation which is where we are.

I still think Pulis is the best medium term option by the way.

It is a number of years ago but I believe the point that Ashworth was making that spending money you didn't have to push to the "next level" particularly if that was Europa League football was futile because the rewards were such that they seldom covered the cost and the cost of failure could be debilitating. It did not mean the club does not want to progress but it has to do so within it's means. 


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on March 22, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
The Tony Pulis way?

4 Center backs who will block and clear any ball. 2 defensive shields in center midfield. 2 workmen in midfield (1of those has now been subbed for sadio). 1 on the wing or creativity. 1 lump up front.   

This as a line up is great against Arsenal, Man U, Spurs etc.  Yet against Newcastle, Norwich etc is lazy.  The issue all we are asking is for a more creative approach against lower league teams. THIS DOES NOT MEAN  fast frenetic passing to 'key areas', often uncontrolled and wasteful. But inventive, positive play sustained in the oppositions half which is looking to put the ball in the onion bag more times than the team we are playing.

So I am baffled to why there is any argument into having a change of manager at the end of the season. Considering TP refusal to play any different to what is stated above it seems logical to call for that change.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 22, 2016, 10:23:29 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on March 21, 2016, 04:29:17 PM

I agree with you that Pulis was the right man for us on the short term. For me the short term finishes at the end of this season. A mid table finish gives us some stability and allows a new man time to build. Given another couple of windows under Pulis this squad could need an even bigger overhaul when he does eventually leave.


Sigh... I've answered this many times on this very thread. What are you basing this on apart from disliking his style of play?

He's been away from Palace for a while now, but if you check the team sheets you will see Hennessey, Dann and Ledley are still regular starters. Puncheon was also a regular before he picked up an injury. The only signing that did not work out was Tom Ince who finds himself back down in the Championship. If the Pulis signings were so bad surely Pardew would have replaced these long ago?

If you go back even further to the Stoke days. Hughes is now coming up to 3 full seasons of stamping his mark on the team. What spine does he choose to play? Butland - Shawcross - Whelan - Walters (the spine built by Pulis). Again if the spine left behind by Pulis was so bad, surely Hughes would have dismantled it and built his own long ago?

Why would Pardew and Hughes (managers linked with the England and Chelsea jobs) carry on picking the bad players instead of replacing them as soon as they could? Both managers have smashed their club's record transfer fee's on other areas of the team so you can't say they have had no money to spend...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 22, 2016, 10:34:42 AM
Quote from: baggiepoint on March 22, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
The Tony Pulis way?

4 Center backs who will block and clear any ball. 2 defensive shields in center midfield. 2 workmen in midfield (1of those has now been subbed for sadio). 1 on the wing or creativity. 1 lump up front.   

This as a line up is great against Arsenal, Man U, Spurs etc.  Yet against Newcastle, Norwich etc is lazy.  The issue all we are asking is for a more creative approach against lower league teams. THIS DOES NOT MEAN  fast frenetic passing to 'key areas', often uncontrolled and wasteful. But inventive, positive play sustained in the oppositions half which is looking to put the ball in the onion bag more times than the team we are playing.

So I am baffled to why there is any argument into having a change of manager at the end of the season. Considering TP refusal to play any different to what is stated above it seems logical to call for that change.
So do you think we play the same way all the time ? Have you noticed any differences in games likes Spurs, Stoke and Palace at home ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on March 22, 2016, 11:44:28 AM
Quote from: Adder on March 22, 2016, 10:34:42 AM
So do you think we play the same way all the time ? Have you noticed any differences in games likes Spurs, Stoke and Palace at home ?

IMO there are small changes yes. As I said sometimes he uses 5 defenders sometimes 4. Same in the middle. He sometimes uses McClean on the wing and interchanges him with sess. The message seems to be 'playing through the pitch', which is a very defensive set up and a quick break to challenge the opposition. I have no problem with this in principle (please see Leicester). However,  IMO in certain games he uses a 4 touch (for our team) policy in the oppositions half before a the game is stopped for a throw, corner, foul or even a goal! This enables the team to set up for an attacking phase or defensive. Either way the game is rehearsed to each set piece and allows us when we are 'attacking' to control any threat. This also means the game is very disjointed, and awful to watch for both sets of fans.

I get we have played better and Sadio is part of that.  But the main reason we have picked up points after our post Christmas slump is we play better in our ridged formation against teams who attack us.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on March 22, 2016, 11:45:09 AM
I do hate how he puts our best center half at left back, like he did last season with Lescott. It's nonsense. Other than that I'm happy for Pulis to stay another season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 22, 2016, 11:50:53 AM
I think it's starting to dawn on people here that they're stuck with our Tone as long as he sees fit to keep signing contracts, this week is the final bit of rebellion before acceptance sets in I would imagine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 22, 2016, 12:18:07 PM
Touch optimistic there expecting acceptance to set in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 22, 2016, 12:47:43 PM
I usually agree with almost everything Standaman says however this

The ineptitude  Olsson is a case in point. I have watched him gift goals and games to the opposition under 4 different managers and his decline as a player has been notable since the 2nd half of Clarke's first season. If Olsson makes a mistake can I blame the manager? No only for playing him in the first place and even then if they don't have an alternative in the squad the manager is again blameless for the error that Olsson makes. The exception to this of course is if the manager's tactics forces into situations that expose his weaknesses rather than play to his strengths, e.g. the Mel high line.

misses the fact that Olsson playing at centre half is a Pulis decision, IF Evans was not available, If Chester couldn't play centre half or for that matter Dawson couldn't, then I would have some sympathy with the argument.
Jonas has been a major asset to the club, but he is past his sell by date (sadly) and TP is making an error in keep picking him. There are options available but TP is frightened to take the risk IMHO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 22, 2016, 12:52:35 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 22, 2016, 12:47:43 PM
I usually agree with almost everything Standaman says however this

The ineptitude  Olsson is a case in point. I have watched him gift goals and games to the opposition under 4 different managers and his decline as a player has been notable since the 2nd half of Clarke's first season. If Olsson makes a mistake can I blame the manager? No only for playing him in the first place and even then if they don't have an alternative in the squad the manager is again blameless for the error that Olsson makes. The exception to this of course is if the manager's tactics forces into situations that expose his weaknesses rather than play to his strengths, e.g. the Mel high line.

misses the fact that Olsson playing at centre half is a Pulis decision, IF Evans was not available, If Chester couldn't play centre half or for that matter Dawson couldn't, then I would have some sympathy with the argument.
Jonas has been a major asset to the club, but he is past his sell by date (sadly) and TP is making an error in keep picking him. There are options available but TP is frightened to take the risk IMHO.

You must've missed this part  ;)

Agree re Stan, his posts used to be some of my favourites on here, though the more entrenched he becomes in his anti-Pulis narrative the more negative he is to read.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 22, 2016, 12:54:27 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 22, 2016, 12:52:35 PM
You must've missed this part  ;)

Agree re Stan, his posts used to be some of my favourites on here, though the more entrenched he becomes in his anti-Pulis narrative the more negative he is to read.

Fair point Jacko, i missed that totally
Apologies to standaman as I said top poster  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 22, 2016, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 22, 2016, 11:50:53 AM
I think it's starting to dawn on people here that they're stuck with our Tone as long as he sees fit to keep signing contracts, this week is the final bit of rebellion before acceptance sets in I would imagine.

I wouldn't be a part of that nor spend regular money going to watch us.

If people are happy for that I know you yourself are and black pearl etc then that's fine I'm glad we have a manager that some fans for whatever reason warm to, the only issue is you need to understand and realize that 13-15 finishes will be the normality with maybe a 5th round cup appearance thrown in if were lucky, I can certainly understand why people like pulis they are scared of going back to the championship it is a tough one I must say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 22, 2016, 04:13:40 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on March 22, 2016, 03:52:59 PM
I wouldn't be a part of that nor spend regular money going to watch us.

If people are happy for that I know you yourself are and black pearl etc then that's fine I'm glad we have a manager that some fans for whatever reason warm to, the only issue is you need to understand and realize that 13-15 finishes will be the normality with maybe a 5th round cup appearance thrown in if were lucky, I can certainly understand why people like pulis they are scared of going back to the championship it is a tough one I must say.

The normality I grew up with was 12th to 24th place finishes in what is now the Championship, plus of course 2 seasons in the old Division 3 (the low point of our history) then we became the YoYo team, now we are a solid mid table Premier League side at a time when it it the only place to be. I don't think there is anywhere for us to go. Pulis takes the cups seriously for the most part.

Our Premier League finishes since Roy are thus: 11th, 10th, 8th, 17th, 13th.

FA Cup record since Hodgson: Round 3; Round 4; Round 3; Round 3; QF; Round 5

Pulis Premier League finishes: 12th, 11th, 13th, 14th, 13th, 11th, 13th

Pulis FA Cup record since 10/11 (Hodgson appt): Finalist; QF; Round 4; Round 4; QF; Round 5

emboldened are our finishes under TP.

Aside from the Lukaku season, I'd say he is an almost ideal level of success after the disasters of Clarke (once he got his mitts on it), Mel and Irvine. We look good for a finish between 10th and 13th again, I don't see how any realistic fan thinks it can get any better than this under the stewardship of Jeremy Peace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 22, 2016, 04:19:22 PM
Good post definitely makes sense however if your alluding to the fact pulis got to a final and can replicate that here then I'm sorry I just don't agree with that, different clubs different funds etc but we have had this conversation before.

At that stage were our average Joes get to 40 odd points or safe and then think well what's the point in playing, sad but true exactly the same in cups it's an unnecessary distraction for our manager and players hence why I admire the teams that win it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 22, 2016, 07:26:24 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 22, 2016, 04:13:40 PM
The normality I grew up with was 12th to 24th place finishes in what is now the Championship, plus of course 2 seasons in the old Division 3 (the low point of our history) then we became the YoYo team, now we are a solid mid table Premier League side at a time when it it the only place to be. I don't think there is anywhere for us to go. Pulis takes the cups seriously for the most part.

Our Premier League finishes since Roy are thus: 11th, 10th, 8th, 17th, 13th.

FA Cup record since Hodgson: Round 3; Round 4; Round 3; Round 3; QF; Round 5

Pulis Premier League finishes: 12th, 11th, 13th, 14th, 13th, 11th, 13th

Pulis FA Cup record since 10/11 (Hodgson appt): Finalist; QF; Round 4; Round 4; QF; Round 5

emboldened are our finishes under TP.

Aside from the Lukaku season, I'd say he is an almost ideal level of success after the disasters of Clarke (once he got his mitts on it), Mel and Irvine. We look good for a finish between 10th and 13th again, I don't see how any realistic fan thinks it can get any better than this under the stewardship of Jeremy Peace.

hard to argue with this, we know what am, we know what we am, average prem club with an average prem manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 22, 2016, 09:16:59 PM
I accept our lot as a middling Premier League club with the hope of a cup run. That is what our resources run to and that is unlikely to be radically different almost regardless of ownership. Obviously there is the possibility of a season of season's where all the stars align and we break out of the mid-table melee but frankly that is unlikely.

Obviously without labouring my anti-Pulis narrative I don't believe that the only way to achieve our mid-table finishes and the occasional cup runs is playing negative percentage football however what I believe is neither here nor there because I am pretty much convinced that Pulis will be around for at least another season. I am resigned to it and I don't live in hope the football will dramatically improve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on March 25, 2016, 10:58:51 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 22, 2016, 04:13:40 PM
Pulis Premier League finishes: 12th, 11th, 13th, 14th, 13th, 11th, 13th

Surely now we are established the next logical target for the club is to reach 50 points and finish top ten? Where is the evidence that Pulis can deliver this target?

If he does get another season then 50 points should be the minimum requirement - I expect us to get around 45-47 this campaign so not unrealistic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 25, 2016, 11:20:12 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on March 25, 2016, 10:58:51 AM
Surely now we are established the next logical target for the club is to reach 50 points and finish top ten? Where is the evidence that Pulis can deliver this target?

If he does get another season then 50 points should be the minimum requirement - I expect us to get around 45-47 this campaign so not unrealistic.

Again you fail to see the bigger picture. Unfortunately this season has been something of an aberration. The big boys will probably make up the top 7 as usual. Chelsea, Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Everton. That puts us in a group with West Ham, Southampton, Leicester and Stoke. The fact we're in this group albeit at the bottom of it and not still in the group with the newly promoted sides, plus Swansea, Sunderland and Newcastle is a testament to Pulis after the previous 3 appointments.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on March 26, 2016, 01:54:36 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 25, 2016, 11:20:12 AM
Again you fail to see the bigger picture. Unfortunately this season has been something of an aberration. The big boys will probably make up the top 7 as usual. Chelsea, Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Everton. That puts us in a group with West Ham, Southampton, Leicester and Stoke. The fact we're in this group albeit at the bottom of it and not still in the group with the newly promoted sides, plus Swansea, Sunderland and Newcastle is a testament to Pulis after the previous 3 appointments.

So if we finish with say 47 points this season, what is our target next season? Do we target 50 points or go for safety again? How many years do you achieve your target of safety before moving up a level?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on March 26, 2016, 04:45:47 PM
There isn't really another level for us to move up to. This is pretty much as good as it gets. Avoid relegation but don't make Europe. That is our promised land. The only way it will get any better is if we get a mega rich investor who will simply throw hundreds of millions at us with little regard of making any money back in the short term. Doesn't seem likely so it's best to just enjoy our maximum of mid table obscurity as long as it lasts before we have a bad season and get relegated. Happy Easter :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 26, 2016, 07:15:54 PM
Quote from: Barrington on March 26, 2016, 04:45:47 PM
There isn't really another level for us to move up to. This is pretty much as good as it gets. Avoid relegation but don't make Europe. That is our promised land. The only way it will get any better is if we get a mega rich investor who will simply throw hundreds of millions at us with little regard of making any money back in the short term. Doesn't seem likely so it's best to just enjoy our maximum of mid table obscurity as long as it lasts before we have a bad season and get relegated. Happy Easter :)
Have to agree this is really as far as it goes - and it is not TP's fault either!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 26, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
Quote from: Barrington on March 26, 2016, 04:45:47 PM
There isn't really another level for us to move up to. This is pretty much as good as it gets. Avoid relegation but don't make Europe. That is our promised land. The only way it will get any better is if we get a mega rich investor who will simply throw hundreds of millions at us with little regard of making any money back in the short term. Doesn't seem likely so it's best to just enjoy our maximum of mid table obscurity as long as it lasts before we have a bad season and get relegated. Happy Easter :)
who threw hundreds of millions at Leicester.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2016, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on March 26, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
who threw hundreds of millions at Leicester.

If similar happens again in the next 10 years I'll eat humble pie. Leicester is an aberration. Sadly I can see dispirited supporters trotting that line out for years to come.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 26, 2016, 09:25:31 PM
There is very little real difference between 40 and 50 points and it would be wrong to think of hitting 50 as being some sort of other level it is merely the upper end of the mid table melee. We don't have a top 6 wage bill and there is virtually zero chance of us getting one almost regardless of ownership.

This does not change regardless of coach the only thing that does however it is the manner of how we go about getting to that 40 point mark is certainly down to the coach. Mid-table does not have to be as uninspiring as Pulis makes it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2016, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: Standaman on March 26, 2016, 09:25:31 PM
There is very little real difference between 40 and 50 points and it would be wrong to think of hitting 50 as being some sort of other level it is merely the upper end of the mid table melee. We don't have a top 6 wage bill and there is virtually zero chance of us getting one almost regardless of ownership.

This does not change regardless of coach the only thing that does however it is the manner of how we go about getting to that 40 point mark is certainly down to the coach. Mid-table does not have to be as uninspiring as Pulis makes it.

With this group of players it does imo. Pulis love him or hate him is desperate to get some energy and drive into the squad. It's aging and one paced. The fact our fans hang onto the slow and average Sessegnon is testament to that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 26, 2016, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2016, 09:59:46 PM
With this group of players it does imo. Pulis love him or hate him is desperate to get some energy and drive into the squad. It's aging and one paced. The fact our fans hang onto the slow and average Sessegnon is testament to that.

That is the difference between you and me. You believe that changing the players will somehow change the approach and I don't. We will wait and see what difference the young pacey players that he brings in the summer make if any.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on March 27, 2016, 08:41:38 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2016, 09:20:51 PM
If similar happens again in the next 10 years I'll eat humble pie. Leicester is an aberration. Sadly I can see dispirited supporters trotting that line out for years to come.

I agree, I said that on here the other week. It will be Leicester this, Leicester that. They will be lucky to finish top 6 next season.

It's similar to when people say give 'X' time just like Fergie had. Fergie was a one off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 27, 2016, 11:26:04 AM
Quote from: BB74 on March 27, 2016, 08:41:38 AM
I agree, I said that on here the other week. It will be Leicester this, Leicester that. They will be lucky to finish top 6 next season.

It's similar to when people say give 'X' time just like Fergie had. Fergie was a one off.

I don't care if Leicester proves to be an "aberration".

In fact, can we have one please?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on March 27, 2016, 11:27:25 AM
Ferguson was a lucky bollix who came to Man Utd at the right time, he should be kissing that strikers backside every day( he's name eludes me) Robbin's me thinks who scored that goal that kept him in job. There was a power vacuum after that with pool in decline then he got lucky again with Leeds selling him cuntanna and the young players coming through. Oh yeah and smashing transfer record numerous times, say it again lucky bollix
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 27, 2016, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: elmo_in_spain on March 26, 2016, 07:15:54 PM
Have to agree this is really as far as it goes - and it is not TP's fault either!

Realistically, our ceiling is a top 8-10 finish, a flirtation with the Europa League, and decent Cup runs. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 27, 2016, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: paulosull on March 27, 2016, 11:27:25 AM
Ferguson was a lucky bollix who came to Man Utd at the right time, he should be kissing that strikers backside every day( he's name eludes me) Robbin's me thinks who scored that goal that kept him in job. There was a power vacuum after that with pool in decline then he got lucky again with Leeds selling him cuntanna and the young players coming through. Oh yeah and smashing transfer record numerous times, say it again lucky bollix

Far better to be a lucky manager than a good one, although I think Fergie did prove that he was the latter.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 27, 2016, 01:47:02 PM
Quote from: Barrington on March 26, 2016, 04:45:47 PM
There isn't really another level for us to move up to. This is pretty much as good as it gets. Avoid relegation but don't make Europe. That is our promised land. The only way it will get any better is if we get a mega rich investor who will simply throw hundreds of millions at us with little regard of making any money back in the short term. Doesn't seem likely so it's best to just enjoy our maximum of mid table obscurity as long as it lasts before we have a bad season and get relegated. Happy Easter :)

While I think you are right I also think never say never. Manchester City over the last twenty years have had their fair share of looking like rubbish. I seriously think you just never know what's ahead.... and yes, keep pushing up the table as far as we can go because it means more money for the club and ultimately a more attractive sale proposition - which admittedly may lead to rags or riches.

(Whichever way our future goes, the problem lies in the fact that Sky have totally wrecked our game. The Premiership is full of nancying about/ playing for safety because of the money at stake and the money and influence the big clubs have at their disposal, so it seems a no-win place to be. 'Real' football is disappearing rapidly because in the race to get up their, the Championship is looking more and more that way too.)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on March 27, 2016, 03:39:27 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on March 27, 2016, 01:47:02 PM
While I think you are right I also think never say never. Manchester City over the last twenty years have had their fair share of looking like rubbish. I seriously think you just never know what's ahead.... and yes, keep pushing up the table as far as we can go because it means more money for the club and ultimately a more attractive sale proposition - which admittedly may lead to rags or riches.

(Whichever way our future goes, the problem lies in the fact that Sky have totally wrecked our game. The Premiership is full of nancying about/ playing for safety because of the money at stake and the money and influence the big clubs have at their disposal, so it seems a no-win place to be. 'Real' football is disappearing rapidly because in the race to get up their, the Championship is looking more and more that way too.)

Not arguing with you at all here, just want to add something to consider about Man City as it was mentioned. I'm pretty sure they benefited from landing a nice new stadium as the commonwealth games (I think) left them with a lovely new sports arena in their vicinity. This surely made them more attractive to investors. How likely is it that anything similar will happen around us like that leaving a nice new facility for us to move into and become more attractive? We aren't likely to go out and build ourselves a new ground from scratch either. West Ham have also dropped extremely fortunately with this (as if London clubs needed any more of a helping hand to increasingly become more of a force in English football) and in my opinion it is only a matter of time until Brady et al sell the club to big money investors for an eye-popping profit. Great if you can get a nice subsidized new stadium land in your lap. So yeah, just wanted to add those frustrations and apologies if that is going a bit off topic ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 27, 2016, 03:41:24 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on March 26, 2016, 01:54:36 PM
So if we finish with say 47 points this season, what is our target next season? Do we target 50 points or go for safety again? How many years do you achieve your target of safety before moving up a level?

The currrent ownership of this club are delighted with the midtable finish not threatening anything higher resulting in the expense of the Europa League which sees most clubs lose money and not worrying about going down and losing the millions this wonderful !! league offers each season.

Tony Pulis like him, loath him or being  middle of the road on him is ideal.

The target is the same each season for us and most of those around us, has been for a long while now regardless of the bloke picking the team, 40 points, survival, oh joy isn't the Premier League wonderful
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 27, 2016, 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: Barrington on March 27, 2016, 03:39:27 PM
Not arguing with you at all here, just want to add something to consider about Man City as it was mentioned. I'm pretty sure they benefited from landing a nice new stadium as the commonwealth games (I think) left them with a lovely new sports arena in their vicinity. This surely made them more attractive to investors. How likely is it that anything similar will happen around us like that leaving a nice new facility for us to move into and become more attractive? We aren't likely to go out and build ourselves a new ground from scratch either. West Ham have also dropped extremely fortunately with this (as if London clubs needed any more of a helping hand to increasingly become more of a force in English football) and in my opinion it is only a matter of time until Brady et al sell the club to big money investors for an eye-popping profit. Great if you can get a nice subsidized new stadium land in your lap. So yeah, just wanted to add those frustrations and apologies if that is going a bit off topic ;)

Valid points, sir. And here's where I'm completely impractical.... I'd hate for us to leave The Hawthorns.

Sorry I do feel we've gone a bit off road from Pulis, apologies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on March 27, 2016, 05:35:25 PM
I'm a huge fan of pulis so this comment is in no way anti Pulis but in our world of Premier League survival being everthing I wonder if you compare say Bradford fans to Albion fans then who's had the most fun in the last 4/5 years? They've had promotions at Wembley and a cup final.... Just makes me think that whilst the premier league is vital to our club, it's by no means vital to us the fans who are the club.
I think what we're ALL desperate for is some real success like that great day at home to palace in the sun.

Sorry for going so off topic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on March 28, 2016, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on March 27, 2016, 03:41:24 PM
The currrent ownership of this club are delighted with the midtable finish not threatening anything higher resulting in the expense of the Europa League which sees most clubs lose money and not worrying about going down and losing the millions this wonderful !! league offers each season.

Tony Pulis like him, loath him or being  middle of the road on him is ideal.

The target is the same each season for us and most of those around us, has been for a long while now regardless of the bloke picking the team, 40 points, survival, oh joy isn't the Premier League wonderful

Let's say Pulis moves us on and cements us as a top ten team. We then qualify for the Europa - will the club be unhappy? Would Pulis be in danger of losing his job if he delivered the "added expense" of a European tour?

I don't buy the theory that the club are happy to sit at 40 points every season, I don't think Pulis or the players are either. Whether Pulis is capable of delivering more is open to debate but for me he has to do that otherwise he should lose his job.

Jeremy Peace is a very clever man and first and foremost a business man, he will know that if you stand still in business then your competitors will leave you behind. It is in the clubs best interests to improve year on year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 28, 2016, 04:31:06 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on March 28, 2016, 11:38:22 AM
Let's say Pulis moves us on and cements us as a top ten team. We then qualify for the Europa - will the club be unhappy? Would Pulis be in danger of losing his job if he delivered the "added expense" of a European tour?

I don't buy the theory that the club are happy to sit at 40 points every season, I don't think Pulis or the players are either. Whether Pulis is capable of delivering more is open to debate but for me he has to do that otherwise he should lose his job.

Jeremy Peace is a very clever man and first and foremost a business man, he will know that if you stand still in business then your competitors will leave you behind. It is in the clubs best interests to improve year on year.

The club would be unhappy if that results in losing money. Haven't they stated in the past that getting into the Europa league would bring extra costs they could do without ?

To hear some on here Pulis is in danger of losing his job already despite giving us currently our second best points haul at this stage of the season in our Premier League history !!

You would think its in the clubs best interests to improve but then this club sees itself as a Championship side already happy to muddle along in the middle of the wonderful Premier League each season. We don't stand still though, we make some decent profits each year by doing what we do, business is about making money, thats what we do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 28, 2016, 06:24:35 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on March 28, 2016, 11:38:22 AM
Let's say Pulis moves us on and cements us as a top ten team. We then qualify for the Europa - will the club be unhappy? Would Pulis be in danger of losing his job if he delivered the "added expense" of a European tour?

I don't buy the theory that the club are happy to sit at 40 points every season, I don't think Pulis or the players are either. Whether Pulis is capable of delivering more is open to debate but for me he has to do that otherwise he should lose his job.

Jeremy Peace is a very clever man and first and foremost a business man, he will know that if you stand still in business then your competitors will leave you behind. It is in the clubs best interests to improve year on year.

We cannot be precise about the 40 point target random variance  across a season has to be +/-  six points which on the downside could easily see us relegated. It is always the minimum and to an extent a none target (something that is trotted out to keep everyone focused on the next game for the bulk of teams) it is the equivalent of having a target of not dying. 

The next step is most likely Europa league qualification which now means winning a cup or finishing at least 7th which other things being equal is about the top end of our expectations and is pretty much our season of seasons.  If you look at what has happened to teams that have achieved this aside for the Europa League regulars
Liverpool and Spurs the picture isn't great Wigan, Birmingham, Hull, Fulham, Bolton, Portsmouth, Bolton and Middlesbrough all languish in the Championship or below.  Not forgetting the worst seasons that Stoke  and Swansea have had recently were their Europa League seasons.

This is not wildly surprising given the tendency for teams to regress to their mean after a season in which they overachieve nor is it an argument for not trying to achieve the best we can. Besides which nobody is able to dictate where we land in any given season.

In terms of our current coach in general I believe we are probably slightly more likely to hit 40 points but a little bit less likely to get much beyond 10th place and the cups are such a rubbish shoot that unless the coach deliberately fields a weaker side then I honestly don't think it makes any difference at all. 

The club is happy with being in the Premier League but do we honestly believe there is a deliberate strategy of throwing cup games to avoid Europa League qualification?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 28, 2016, 06:50:30 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2016, 09:20:51 PM
If similar happens again in the next 10 years I'll eat humble pie. Leicester is an aberration. Sadly I can see dispirited supporters trotting that line out for years to come.
the same was said about the great bobby robson Ipswich side 73-83, and the cloughie forest side of 75-89. smallish clubs who most thought would be one season wonders but proved them wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on March 29, 2016, 08:53:25 AM
If we genuinely believe Leicester is an aberration and it's all hopeless for a club of Albion or Leicester's side to win the league or get in the champions league why would we bother watching football - just to see whether we can finish in the 'elusive 11th place' every year!? We must have hope (if not ambition) that we can improve and finish in the top 6 at some point in the future as well as winning a cup - similar to how we probably need to feel at risk of dropping down the leagues  - or as a fan life could get very boring, hopeless, stagnant.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on March 29, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: darbolina on March 29, 2016, 08:53:25 AM
If we genuinely believe Leicester is an aberration and it's all hopeless for a club of Albion or Leicester's side to win the league or get in the champions league why would we bother watching football - just to see whether we can finish in the 'elusive 11th place' every year!? We must have hope (if not ambition) that we can improve and finish in the top 6 at some point in the future as well as winning a cup - similar to how we probably need to feel at risk of dropping down the leagues  - or as a fan life could get very boring, hopeless, stagnant.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Just to get this right you believe we could finish in the champions league ?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 29, 2016, 11:27:53 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on March 29, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
Just to get this right you believe we could finish in the champions league ?.
You could say stranger things are happening this year. Just a thought, what were the respective odds of us winning the league and Leicester at the start of the season ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 29, 2016, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: BobTaylor on March 29, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
Just to get this right you believe we could finish in the champions league ?.

Personally, I think we should look at it as a long (long long long) term goal. If you do not show the ambition to increase the size and stature of the club, and are content to just avoid relegation every year, then it's not living, it's just existing, taking up space.

With Villa going down, we have an opportunity we have never truly had before - to reach out into their backyard, win new fans, and maybe, just maybe, become the biggest club in the midlands. That has to be the goal. Then you start to look at where an expanded fan base can get you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on March 29, 2016, 12:59:12 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2016, 09:59:46 PM
With this group of players it does imo. Pulis love him or hate him is desperate to get some energy and drive into the squad. It's aging and one paced. The fact our fans hang onto the slow and average Sessegnon is testament to that.

I agree the squad is ageing and one paced. However after 3 transfer windows and 11 signings under Pulis, the squad is still ageing and one paced. Talks of new deals for the likes of McAuley, Sess and Olsson isn't going to change this either. Let's see what the summer brings but even with fresh blood I can't see the standard of football improving personally.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 29, 2016, 12:59:57 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on March 29, 2016, 12:47:09 PM
Personally, I think we should look at it as a long (long long long) term goal. If you do not show the ambition to increase the size and stature of the club, and are content to just avoid relegation every year, then it's not living, it's just existing, taking up space.

With Villa going down, we have an opportunity we have never truly had before - to reach out into their backyard, win new fans, and maybe, just maybe, become the biggest club in the midlands. That has to be the goal. Then you start to look at where an expanded fan base can get you.

I get the sentiment about grabbing Vile market share, however i do think that the scum fans will enjoy being in the chumps next season. (sadly)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbasoprano on March 29, 2016, 01:12:17 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 29, 2016, 12:59:57 PM
I get the sentiment about grabbing Vile market share, however i do think that the scum fans will enjoy being in the chumps next season. (sadly)

They will give it the billy big balls for a few weeks then when reality hits home that they aren't going to walk the league I doubt they will enjoy it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 29, 2016, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: wbasoprano on March 29, 2016, 01:12:17 PM
They will give it the billy big balls for a few weeks then when reality hits home that they aren't going to walk the league I doubt they will enjoy it.
I sincereley hope your correct !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 29, 2016, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on March 28, 2016, 06:50:30 PM
the same was said about the great bobby robson Ipswich side 73-83, and the cloughie forest side of 75-89. smallish clubs who most thought would be one season wonders but proved them wrong.

It was a very different landscape in those days.  Just look at the fact that no club outside the Big 4 has won the Premier League since Blackburn won it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on March 30, 2016, 07:03:16 AM
Quote from: BobTaylor on March 29, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
Just to get this right you believe we could finish in the champions league ?.

Er no, but if we don't have hope we can improve and dream we could finish champions league then somethings wrong. Until Leicester, any team outside the top 6 have thought the best they could do was a Europa spot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 30, 2016, 10:24:19 AM
The irony is of course is that Leicester's target for the season was 40 points as Ranieri kept on stating even when they were within touching distance of the target and it had turned into a running joke. The 40 points cliche is a meaningless as the game of two halves cliche and all the other bilge that managers and media spout at fans in the absence of anything more insightful or potentially more revealing.

Most teams have a 40 points target and most would hope/expect to overachieve but in truth until you are over that line nothing is certain, and at one point this season Chelsea's first objective was to get there and for a few weeks it was a very real and meaningful target for them.

Here is the answer we should set out to do the best we can do and see where that takes us. It might mean 40 to 50 points and that is most likely outcome but occasionally we may get beyond that. We can dream but the line has to be drawn at throwing money that we don't have at the dream because dreams aren't real but debts are.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on March 30, 2016, 10:50:39 AM
Quote from: Standaman on March 30, 2016, 10:24:19 AM
The irony is of course is that Leicester's target for the season was 40 points as Ranieri kept on stating even when they were within touching distance of the target and it had turned into a running joke. The 40 points cliche is a meaningless as the game of two halves cliche and all the other bilge that managers and media spout at fans in the absence of anything more insightful or potentially more revealing.

Most teams have a 40 points target and most would hope/expect to overachieve but in truth until you are over that line nothing is certain, and at one point this season Chelsea's first objective was to get there and for a few weeks it was a very real and meaningful target for them.

Here is the answer we should set out to do the best we can do and see were that takes us. It might mean 40 to 50 points and that is most likely outcome but occasionally we may get beyond that. We can dream but the line has to be drawn at throwing money that we don't have at the dream because dreams aren't real but debts are.

You're spot on Standaman but as long as it's someone else's money being thrown at improving our club and provided of course the club are left with no debt, I'm not sure it matters to me how we're successful? I'm sure Man City or Chelsea fans don't look at their success as hollow because they achieved it via spending money.

Anyway, Leicester did get an injection of cash to propel them up the leagues and also made some astute signings as well as having been a bit lucky along the way.

Now it's happened (a smaller club breaking into the big boys club), others will try a variety of ways to do the same (e.g. building slowly (aka Peace's Moneyball) , spending like fools, changing managers every five mins).  We're already one of the richest clubs in the World of course so we can compete with others around Europe for quality players.

The reality for me is Leicester's blue-print is one we could adopt - not saying it would ever work again but if it's worked once, why not again? Leicester make the argument we should be happy with 14th -17th each year look a bit silly.......................Instead, why shouldn't we see 17th as a minimum and top 6 as a target albeit unrealistic one - it's all semantics maybe but important to fans who pay loads of cash each year to 'live a dream' our club could be successful?

The connection with Pulis here is the recurring question of whether he could push us onto the 'next level' using whatever strategy the club adopt (e.g. throwing money around, building with a DoF etc...?). I'm not sure he can but he probably deserves a stab at it for a while having stabilised us......?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: letmereadposts on April 02, 2016, 08:30:57 PM
40 points. unbalanced squad with some ageing players. Hate the style sometimes but thanks Tony for another year.

Love it or hate it Premier League is where it's at. Add some pace to this squad and it will make the world of difference.

We have a good spine, great defensively we just desperately need to add some pace and width. Huge transfer window this summer.

Look at the league tonight. The only team we should arguably be above at this stage is Stoke imo. Tony might be the devil but at least he's on our side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on April 02, 2016, 10:17:54 PM
Not been on for a while mainly because i'd lost interest because we have been safe for some time now. Thanks Tony for getting us to 40 pts, but March and April is going to be a bore..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 02, 2016, 11:59:40 PM
Safe.

But lost interest. I became a supporter at 10 and this is the first year in the following 29 years that i havent been to a game. I thank Pulis for keeping us safe and for the odd occasional positive performance but ultimately its been a season where i no longer feel proud to be a West Brom fan.

Ill tune in when things change and the way the team plays meets my expectations as a fan of this amazing club..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on April 03, 2016, 01:34:34 AM
To be honest at a place where if he stays I'm ok and if he goes I won't shed a tear. Some real bad games and runs where I thought we need a change but some times where I've thought we've done really well.

No way Albion fans can say they've been bored at Leicester away, Man united at home, arsenal at home and so on.

First half today we were sound, second half they needed a result more than us and it showed but we held our own and got a decent point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 03, 2016, 09:31:12 AM
If I was JP I'd say

'Well done on keeping us up Tony. Now lets sit down and look at what we need to help us play on the front foot more often. I want to see more performances like Spurs, Stoke, and Palace at home so what do we need in the squad to help us to do that ?'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 03, 2016, 10:50:50 AM
Quote from: Adder on April 03, 2016, 09:31:12 AM
If I was JP I'd say

'Well done on keeping us up Tony. Now lets sit down and look at what we need to help us play on the front foot more often. I want to see more performances like Spurs, Stoke, and Palace at home so what do we need in the squad to help us to do that ?'.

If I was JP I'd say:

"Why did you ask me to spend money on buying James McClean and getting Alex Pritchard on loan, only to leave them on the bench while you pick 4 central defensive midfielders"?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 03, 2016, 11:22:52 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 03, 2016, 10:50:50 AM
If I was JP I'd say:

"Why did you ask me to spend money on buying James McClean and getting Alex Pritchard on loan, only to leave them on the bench while you pick 4 central defensive midfielders"?
Kind of an harsh thing to say to a manager who just made you millions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 03, 2016, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 03, 2016, 10:50:50 AM
If I was JP I'd say:

"Why did you ask me to spend money on buying James McClean and getting Alex Pritchard on loan, only to leave them on the bench while you pick 4 central defensive midfielders"?
James McClean has played his part in the team/work ethic that has got us to 40 points. If you are suggesting that the £1.5m for his services was wasted then I would say you are wrong, and i believe TP would too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 03, 2016, 12:32:56 PM
I honestly don't think anyone at the club including JP will sit down with Pulis and say we want better football. If that was an overriding concern they wouldn't of hired Pulis in the first place. If survival is the be all and end all Pulis is undoubtedly the man. Provided results are within an acceptable range I don't see us parting with Pulis certainly in the short term and I cannot see JP paying him off to terminate his contract early. From this perspective the dye is cast for the summer, we will be working to his blueprint but obviously within the financial constraints of our player budget and I am absolutely sure that it won't stretch as far as Pulis wants it to but such is life.

The next big decision that Peace faces with TP is does he extend is contract? This decision will need to be taken at some point in the next 12 months and to my mind that is where the future direction of the club will be determined and factors like style of play player development and the quality of his transfer dealings should be given equal weight with his ability to grind out 40 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 03, 2016, 01:20:17 PM
Playing devil's advocate I really can't think of a better manager that could come in and replace him. I don't like his brand of football, it's boring and pragmatic, but it definitely works which is the most important thing. Even Leicester this season have been built on a solid defence, it's clearly the team he wants us to emulate and the stats do show you don't need possession and lots of passes to do what they've done. David Moyes is the only name I've heard mentioned that I think would be an improvement and I'm not even convinced that he would be a massive improvement.

If we could have a decent window of recruitment I think the football would improve. In fairness to Pulis he doesn't like Sessegnon but plays him anyway because he knows he's the only player have who can carry the ball. If we actually bought a few players who could do this perhaps it wouldn't be as dreary to watch. He played Morrison when fit who can actually create.

I think if everyone was fully fit he'd have Rondon, Bera, Sess, Morrison as the attacking 4. It doesn't sound too bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 03, 2016, 01:21:09 PM
Well we're as good as safe now so let's be bold Tony and play some bright attacking football for the remainder of season. Give the youngsters a chance and flair player's a go PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAASE
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on April 03, 2016, 01:35:42 PM
 Pulis is starting to baffle me. Earlier this week we heard why Pritchard hasnt been getting any game time, Sess then goes on an African walkabout and is left out of yesterdays squad, with a chance to win the game and our attacking/creating needing increasing the ideal opportunity to get Pritchard on what does he do , brings on Leko who wouldnt even have been in the squad but for Sess´s absence, mind boggling!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on April 03, 2016, 02:06:22 PM
Won't happen next week at City, we'd get shredded.  It'll be "dogged" (his word for yesterday), bit of an ego thing for him if he could get a 0-0 there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on April 03, 2016, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: frazzle on April 02, 2016, 11:59:40 PM
Safe.

But lost interest. I became a supporter at 10 and this is the first year in the following 29 years that i havent been to a game. I thank Pulis for keeping us safe and for the odd occasional positive performance but ultimately its been a season where i no longer feel proud to be a West Brom fan.

Ill tune in when things change and the way the team plays meets my expectations as a fan of this amazing club..

True. We've played 4 CBs and 4 CDMs for most of the season. 7 games without a shot on target. And yet we're mid-table on 40 pts.

Villa are down and potentially out of the Prem for a long time. We should be grateful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 03, 2016, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on April 03, 2016, 02:41:18 PM
True. We've played 4 CBs and 4 CDMs for most of the season. 7 games without a shot on target. And yet we're mid-table on 40 pts.

Villa are down and potentially out of the Prem for a long time. We should be grateful.

Except that for most of the season we've had Brunt at left back, and how long does Dawson have to play right back before it's acknowledged and people call him a right back?

We've played with Sess, McClean and Morrison for a lot of games...hardly defensive midfielders.

Yes the lineup was negative and no shots on target in 7 games isn't acceptable but don't try to pretend that yesterday's lineup was typical for us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 03, 2016, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: MarkW on April 03, 2016, 02:56:19 PM
Yes the lineup was negative and no shots on target in 7 games isn't acceptable but don't try to pretend that yesterday's lineup was typical for us
The line up might not have been typical but the tactics certainly were
It matters not who the starting 11 are and their natural position, they clearly play to a set of instructions and tactics that they practice all week and don't seem willing or able to deviate from the plan. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 03, 2016, 03:12:26 PM
I think we all knew what we were getting & to be fair TP has delivered his remit in his time here! We havent got the greatest squad of players & I accept TP has bought some players that really only are squad level material.
In my opinion it was important that we stayed in the greed league at this time with all the money flying about. I guess everything will knock on as a consequence wages, transfer fees etc. I'm happy with the kudas of being in it, the question is will somebody have the balls to kick on, on & off the pitch, eg better promoting of the team worldwide, selling at outlets other than the club shop, getting better players, playing a more expansive style, like it or not it is the worlds most watched league & in all probability lol we'll be the only West Midlands club in it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 03, 2016, 03:39:10 PM
I think a big problem with yesterday was that we didn't have one of three creative midfielders (due to injury) who are Mozza, Sess and McManaman.

I know he doesn't play McManaman as much as he should be the other two are starters. Instead he had McClean (too risky to start against Sunderland) and Pritchard who looks too young and was a bizarre signing. So without a real talisman we were always going to be a bit toothless up front.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: JockWallace on April 03, 2016, 04:50:00 PM
Tony 40points Pulis will never change ...he is what he is. He said much the same at Stoke after getting to 40points ..we will try to push on. Nothing changed for 18 months . His ONLY goal is the magic 40 however and whenever he gets there.Stoke fans had enough and it got through to the owners that he had to go particularly as the away support dropped off dramatically as he never set up to win ....just not to lose. Its mind numbing binary shiiite and WBA are better than that...or should be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 03, 2016, 05:36:13 PM
Quote from: JockWallace on April 03, 2016, 04:50:00 PM
Tony 40points Pulis will never change ...he is what he is. He said much the same at Stoke after getting to 40points ..we will try to push on. Nothing changed for 18 months . His ONLY goal is the magic 40 however and whenever he gets there.Stoke fans had enough and it got through to the owners that he had to go particularly as the away support dropped off dramatically as he never set up to win ....just not to lose. Its mind numbing binary shiiite and WBA are better than that...or should be.

Clarke in 2013, Mel and Irvine could not do better...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 03, 2016, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 03, 2016, 05:36:13 PM
Clarke in 2013, Mel and Irvine could not do better...
but neither had a full season except Clarke in 2012-13 so how do you compare.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 03, 2016, 06:51:46 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 03, 2016, 06:25:14 PM
but neither had a full season except Clarke in 2012-13 so how do you compare.

Because their stats over a partial season, Di Matteo also, fell beneath a point a game and that is when Peace acts. He will not risk his investment asset on that trend continuing. They weren't up to it. For all the moaning now the football is no worse than Irvine served up, the difference is we get results now more often than not. Mel was hamstrung by the players, the backing in the window and the 4 week delay in appointing him, but his subsequent record doesn't look good. Clarke was a never was, as soon as he'd put his own stamp on the side all of Hodgson's work had unravelled, Irvine aside Cardiff away was our worst ever Premier League performance (since last promotion). He's since failed in the Championship.

The only thing Peace will be sitting down with Pulis to do is pat him on the back and say "well done, are you happy here and how many years would you like us to add onto your contract?"

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on April 03, 2016, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 03, 2016, 06:51:46 PM
Because their stats over a partial season, Di Matteo also, fell beneath a point a game and that is when Peace acts. He will not risk his investment asset on that trend continuing. They weren't up to it. For all the moaning now the football is no worse than Irvine served up, the difference is we get results now more often than not. Mel was hamstrung by the players, the backing in the window and the 4 week delay in appointing him, but his subsequent record doesn't look good. Clarke was a never was, as soon as he'd put his own stamp on the side all of Hodgson's work had unravelled, Irvine aside Cardiff away was our worst ever Premier League performance (since last promotion). He's since failed in the Championship.

The only thing Peace will be sitting down with Pulis to do is pat him on the back and say "well done, are you happy here and how many years would you like us to add onto your contract?"
Rubbish I can think of 4 or 5 performances under Pulis where we haven't even had an attempt on goal that were worse than that Cardiff game and if it's the game I think your talking about Shane Long should have grabbed us a point at the end I am sure their keeper made a couple of good saves so at least we had attempts on target in that game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on April 03, 2016, 08:27:40 PM
Well done Mr Pulis on getting us to 40 points and securing West Bromwich Albion with another season in the premier league.

Forest
Leeds
Sheffield United
Wolves
Birmingham
Fulham
Charlton
Blackburn
Reading
Bolton

10 ex Premier League clubs without any hope of being a premier league club next season who would kill to be in our position.

Boing Boing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 03, 2016, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 03, 2016, 06:51:46 PM
Because their stats over a partial season, Di Matteo also, fell beneath a point a game and that is when Peace acts. He will not risk his investment asset on that trend continuing. They weren't up to it. For all the moaning now the football is no worse than Irvine served up, the difference is we get results now more often than not. Mel was hamstrung by the players, the backing in the window and the 4 week delay in appointing him, but his subsequent record doesn't look good. Clarke was a never was, as soon as he'd put his own stamp on the side all of Hodgson's work had unravelled, Irvine aside Cardiff away was our worst ever Premier League performance (since last promotion). He's since failed in the Championship.

The only thing Peace will be sitting down with Pulis to do is pat him on the back and say "well done, are you happy here and how many years would you like us to add onto your contract?"
its still pointless comparing when its not like for like such as managing the same number of games or else its just speculating how many points each manager may or may not achieve. pulis has got 40 pts, we can only guess what the others might have got.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 03, 2016, 09:11:10 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 03, 2016, 08:54:02 PM
its still pointless comparing when its not like for like such as managing the same number of games or else its just speculating how many points each manager may or may not achieve. pulis has got 40 pts, we can only guess what the others might have got.

Will you just stop it?

They dont want to know because it doesnt suit their arguement or their love in love in with Tony 'The Dinosaur' Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on April 03, 2016, 10:10:15 PM
I'm really in 2 minds over Pulis, on one hand I can't stand some of the complete and utter rubbish he serves up, we really are rubbish to watch 75% of the time and anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves. Performances against Palace, Newcastle, Norwich, Villa this season to name a few have been some of the worst displays iv ever seen out of an Albion team.

However looking at the squad we have it's pretty remarkable that we are at the 40 point stage already because we certainly have talent wise a bottom 5 squad. People will say that Pulis has had time to sort this out but in reality he's had 1 transfer window (when do we do major business in January) to sort out what was 2 or 3 serious  miss Management.

I think we should  stick with Pulis again next season to allow him to stabilise us for another year and then the season after look for a manager who can take us forward as Stoke have done with Hughes. I'm just grateful I had to give my season ticket up as I'd begrudge having to fork up money to watch us week in week out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 03, 2016, 11:21:38 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on April 03, 2016, 09:11:10 PM
Will you just stop it?

They dont want to know because it doesnt suit their arguement or their love in love in with Tony 'The Dinosaur' Pulis

The facts back up that argument though. Pulis is employed in the Premier League year on year despite you not liking him. Same as Allardyce.

Whereas Mel and Irvine and their progressive beliefs were not good enough to last more than half a season in the top flight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 03, 2016, 11:21:56 PM
The meeting with JP might be a mute point if take over materialises in coming months, if nothing happens on that front then our beloved leader will keep Tony on until he sells club as he wants best buck for his dollar I mean clubs dollar nearly forgot he borrowed money from club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 04, 2016, 12:00:19 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 03, 2016, 11:21:38 PM
The facts back up that argument though. Pulis is employed in the Premier League year on year despite you not liking him. Same as Allardyce.

Whereas Mel and Irvine and their progressive beliefs were not good enough to last more than half a season in the top flight.
just because a manager is sacked or leaves by mutual consent doesn't mean they are not good enough.
pulis has been sacked three times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 04, 2016, 07:38:12 AM
Some of you on this forum do not seem to have noticed how quiet it has become. The dissenter's are the same few who persist with their anti Pulis views, to which they are entitled.
They do not seem to realise however that
A. If TP wishes to remain as Manager next season and beyond he will do so.
B. THE DISSENTER'S ARE IN THE MINORITY - MOST SUPPORTERS ARE PREPARED TO SUPPORT TP FOR ANOTHER SEASON.
Reason - He has bloody earned that right. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 04, 2016, 07:49:52 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on April 04, 2016, 07:38:12 AM
Some of you on this forum do not seem to have noticed how quiet it has become. The dissenter's are the same few who persist with their anti Pulis views, to which they are entitled.
They do not seem to realise however that
A. If TP wishes to remain as Manager next season and beyond he will do so.
B. THE DISSENTER'S ARE IN THE MINORITY - MOST SUPPORTERS ARE PREPARED TO SUPPORT TP FOR ANOTHER SEASON.
Reason - He has bloody earned that right.

In your opinion! to which you are entitled.
Your views appear to be based on a basic observation from a forum of which I would say less than 0.5% of  West Bromwich Albion fans take part in.
If you go to the games and speak to fans that watch week in week out there is no doubt that there is a split in the fans thinking.
From what I gather by speaking to people most want to stay in the Premiership but don't or wont pay to see the Norwich type of performance week in week out.
I would argue that the dissenters are not in the minority and the split is closer to 50/50
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 04, 2016, 08:05:04 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on April 04, 2016, 07:38:12 AM
Some of you on this forum do not seem to have noticed how quiet it has become.
International break, first game back against a relegation threatened team and we didn't get a shot on goal and the forum livens up again.

40 points, in my opinion, isn't actually too unrealistic an ask of the squad that we have.  Do I see much changing next year? Not really, we will set up to stop the opposition from winning and continue to get sufficient points that allows us to watch us spend another season watching us try to stop the opposition from winning. Well done Tony.

Pulis has the options of being more attacking but chooses not to use them. Is that because they are no good, maybe, but will we get significantly better options? I doubt it.

Villa's demise may be swift (although a long time coming) but they will undoubtedly recover; ours could be a long drawn out affair.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 04, 2016, 08:31:29 AM
As grim as its been at times( not all the time) i think Pulis has done enough to be here next Summer.
Finally he should be able to get rid of some of the big earning dead wood gone , its what he brings in that concerns me as this squad badly needs some quick and comfortable on the ball players
I'll say this much for TP, im glad we aren't in that battle with Newcastle, Norwich, Sunderland and Swansea with a few games to go!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 04, 2016, 08:33:47 AM
I would say there is a three way split, those who accept Tony Pulis's pragmatic approach, those who accept it as a temporary and necessary phase in the clubs history and then a minority of those who hate Pulis and want him gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 04, 2016, 08:45:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on April 04, 2016, 08:33:47 AM
I would say there is a three way split, those who accept Tony Pulis's pragmatic approach, those who accept it as a temporary and necessary phase in the clubs history and then a minority of those who hate Pulis and want him gone.
Fair post , I'm in the accept him for now group and it looks like he will get his wish of major surgery on this squad . What we end up with and how we play after a few months of the new season will define him fully IMO , he's earned that chance in fairness but we need to find some middle ground as we either play well or poorly performance wise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 04, 2016, 08:49:50 AM
i would also give him another season, the longer we stay in the greed league the more we leave behind our midland rivals
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 04, 2016, 10:06:05 AM
so we have hit the magical 40 points do we now get eye candy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 04, 2016, 11:08:04 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 04, 2016, 08:49:50 AM
i would also give him another season, the longer we stay in the greed league the more we leave behind our midland rivals

And that is exactly the point, anyone who wants to return to the Championship playing some mythical champagne football needs their head examining, every time a Watford and Bournemouth survive in the Premier League, a Villa or Newcastle will be bullying every other team in the Championship, we really do not want to be in there at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 04, 2016, 11:28:23 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on April 04, 2016, 08:33:47 AM
I would say there is a three way split, those who accept Tony Pulis's pragmatic approach, those who accept it as a temporary and necessary phase in the clubs history and then a minority of those who hate Pulis and want him gone.

Personally I've moved from the temporary but necessary to the hate him and want him gone camp. My concern is I don't see a dynamic that will either fundamentally changes the way he plays (it's relatively successful why should he?) or a situation which brings a close to this particular phase in the club's history.

There are only 3 scenario's where Pulis goes

1. Relegation or a sustained period of relegation form which is unlikely but not impossible.
2. Change of ownership but new the owners might be equally content to grind out Premier League football
3. A falling out with Peace over transfer spending, not impossible but given his current difficulties with Palace, Pulis will probably be less keen on leaving in a huff.

None of the above are going to happen before the start of next season so I certainly think we can look forward to another season of Pulisball at least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 04, 2016, 01:36:47 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on April 04, 2016, 08:33:47 AM
I would say there is a three way split, those who accept Tony Pulis's pragmatic approach, those who accept it as a temporary and necessary phase in the clubs history and then a minority of those who hate Pulis and want him gone.

I don't hate Tony Pulis, however I do want him gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 04, 2016, 07:51:28 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on April 04, 2016, 07:38:12 AM
Some of you on this forum do not seem to have noticed how quiet it has become. The dissenter's are the same few who persist with their anti Pulis views, to which they are entitled.
They do not seem to realise however that
A. If TP wishes to remain as Manager next season and beyond he will do so.
B. THE DISSENTER'S ARE IN THE MINORITY - MOST SUPPORTERS ARE PREPARED TO SUPPORT TP FOR ANOTHER SEASON.
Reason - He has bloody earned that right.
can you tell me what I've had for tea, seems you know what I didn't realise or notice what I ate, or has the mrs dissented and not prepared to support me.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 04, 2016, 08:01:24 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on April 04, 2016, 08:33:47 AM
I would say there is a three way split, those who accept Tony Pulis's pragmatic approach, those who accept it as a temporary and necessary phase in the clubs history and then a minority of those who hate Pulis and want him gone.
I must be in the 4th camp.
not bothered if stays or goes
don't hate or like him.
its not just pragmatic its also boring at times, did he really need to play such a defensive side at sunderland.
he's earned another season here but it will be interesting to seewhat players he signs this summer.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 04, 2016, 08:25:19 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 04, 2016, 08:01:24 PM
I must be in the 4th camp.
not bothered if stays or goes
don't hate or like him.
its not just pragmatic its also boring at times, did he really need to play such a defensive side at sunderland.
he's earned another season here but it will be interesting to seewhat players he signs this summer.
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Unfortunately it will only be players that will play his way.
We will recruit better players, but those players will be instructed to go out in most games and stifle the living daylights out of the game.
We will set up most games not to lose.
I'm living in hope that Coleman takes the veela job, and Tone gets a Wales call up.
Trouble is who do we end up with then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 04, 2016, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on April 04, 2016, 07:38:12 AM
Some of you on this forum do not seem to have noticed how quiet it has become. The dissenter's are the same few who persist with their anti Pulis views, to which they are entitled.
They do not seem to realise however that
A. If TP wishes to remain as Manager next season and beyond he will do so.
B. THE DISSENTER'S ARE IN THE MINORITY - MOST SUPPORTERS ARE PREPARED TO SUPPORT TP FOR ANOTHER SEASON.
Reason - He has bloody earned that right.
In my case I've gone quiet not because I support Pulis, but because there's little new to say and everything about the club bores me at present. We should have had a more attacking approach against Sunderland and there's absolutely no excuse for not doing so. It's another game in what's been a pretty long list of Pulis negativity this season. Those of you who regard his way as the best way to play might like to consider what football would become if his philosophy became prevalent....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 04, 2016, 08:42:12 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on April 04, 2016, 08:25:19 PM
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Unfortunately it will only be players that will play his way.
We will recruit better players, but those players will be instructed to go out in most games and stifle the living daylights out of the game.
We will set up most games not to lose.
I'm living in hope that Coleman takes the veela job, and Tone gets a Wales call up.
Trouble is who do we end up with then?
Very much doubt that the Welsh FA would come up with enough cash to prise him away from Albion and as we know that could be a big factor given recent events - plus I doubt TP is ready for the part time nature of international management just yet ...he doesn't like sitting on his backside in the stands.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 05, 2016, 09:09:46 AM
For those celebrating us reaching 40 points as if it's some kind of holy grail, this sums it up nicely for me (albeit from a despicable paper, but that's true of most of them!):

"The second trophy of the season was won last weekend. No, I'm not talking about Barnsley's success in the Johnstone's Paint Trophy final at Wembley, although congratulations to all involved.

I'm talking about the '40 Point Trophy,' and once again Tony Pulis is a winner! His West Brom side reached the 'magical milestone' on Saturday, what a great day for all involved. Well done West Brom!

I'm delighted for everybody at the football club,' said Pulis after the game. And he then listed the teams they still have to face, the underlying, unspoken message being that West Brom can clock off now that the 40-point total has been reached.

The 40 point celebrations were in full swing shortly after a classic West Brom result – a goalless draw at Sunderland when the Baggies failed to register an effort on target, the seventh game they've done that this season.

Don't be deluded into thinking they have lots of shots that just go wide, they don't hit the target because they rarely work positions to hit the target. Sunderland had seven times as many efforts on goal as Pulis' side. In fact West Brom only picked up a point because their goalkeeper Ben Foster was brilliant.

So what's the point of all this? Well on Match of the Day Alan Shearer said West Brom may not be pretty, but it's all about the 40 points, and he said that Newcastle and Sunderland would love to have 40 points right now. Of course he's right, but measuring achievement against some of the worst performers around is a little devious from Shearer, and I'm sure he knows it.

Why didn't he compare West Brom with Leicester? That would be more interesting.

Sure, not every club can do what Leicester have done this season. But at least clubs like West Brom could aim a little higher than being satisfied offering 40 point congratulations after a goalless draw at a side in the bottom three.

After all these years in the Premier League, surely Pulis has more to offer? Or is this really the peak of his abilities?

I'm afraid Leicester have shown him up for being exactly what he is: unambitious, and happy to just coast along, doing the same things season in, season out.

But I guess when survival bonuses run into seven figures for managers these days, money can drive you to just do the bare minimum, if that's what brings rewards.

The '40 point trophy' is of course a myth, and Pulis needs to change his approach next season, unless he's proud of just being an also-ran."

Link: Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3523714/West-Brom-reached-magical-40-point-mark-Tony-Pulis-shown-up.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on April 05, 2016, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on April 05, 2016, 09:09:46 AM
For those celebrating us reaching 40 points as if it's some kind of holy grail, this sums it up nicely for me (albeit from a despicable paper, but that's true of most of them!):

"The second trophy of the season was won last weekend. No, I'm not talking about Barnsley's success in the Johnstone's Paint Trophy final at Wembley, although congratulations to all involved.

I'm talking about the '40 Point Trophy,' and once again Tony Pulis is a winner! His West Brom side reached the 'magical milestone' on Saturday, what a great day for all involved. Well done West Brom!

I'm delighted for everybody at the football club,' said Pulis after the game. And he then listed the teams they still have to face, the underlying, unspoken message being that West Brom can clock off now that the 40-point total has been reached.

The 40 point celebrations were in full swing shortly after a classic West Brom result – a goalless draw at Sunderland when the Baggies failed to register an effort on target, the seventh game they've done that this season.

Don't be deluded into thinking they have lots of shots that just go wide, they don't hit the target because they rarely work positions to hit the target. Sunderland had seven times as many efforts on goal as Pulis' side. In fact West Brom only picked up a point because their goalkeeper Ben Foster was brilliant.

So what's the point of all this? Well on Match of the Day Alan Shearer said West Brom may not be pretty, but it's all about the 40 points, and he said that Newcastle and Sunderland would love to have 40 points right now. Of course he's right, but measuring achievement against some of the worst performers around is a little devious from Shearer, and I'm sure he knows it.

Why didn't he compare West Brom with Leicester? That would be more interesting.

Sure, not every club can do what Leicester have done this season. But at least clubs like West Brom could aim a little higher than being satisfied offering 40 point congratulations after a goalless draw at a side in the bottom three.

After all these years in the Premier League, surely Pulis has more to offer? Or is this really the peak of his abilities?

I'm afraid Leicester have shown him up for being exactly what he is: unambitious, and happy to just coast along, doing the same things season in, season out.

But I guess when survival bonuses run into seven figures for managers these days, money can drive you to just do the bare minimum, if that's what brings rewards.

The '40 point trophy' is of course a myth, and Pulis needs to change his approach next season, unless he's proud of just being an also-ran."

Link: Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3523714/West-Brom-reached-magical-40-point-mark-Tony-Pulis-shown-up.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

We didnt have a shot on target...Sunderland had 7 times more shots 7 x 0 = 0  ;D

Sunderland had 7 shots and still failed to score

Saying we only got a draw because of Ben Foster is a bit rich aswell.....that what happens when you have a top keeper he saves shots and wins you points

rubbish read....Was he saying the same last season when Leicester were at the other end of the table....one freak season, if the tables had been as they were last season we would be getting congratulated for reaching 40 points and being closer to the top 4 than the bottom 3
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 05, 2016, 09:35:06 AM
Adrian Durham at it again  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 05, 2016, 10:03:08 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on April 05, 2016, 09:25:17 AM
We didnt have a shot on target...Sunderland had 7 times more shots 7 x 0 = 0  ;D

Sunderland had 7 shots and still failed to score

Saying we only got a draw because of Ben Foster is a bit rich aswell.....that what happens when you have a top keeper he saves shots and wins you points

rubbish read....Was he saying the same last season when Leicester were at the other end of the table....one freak season, if the tables had been as they were last season we would be getting congratulated for reaching 40 points and being closer to the top 4 than the bottom 3

I think we had 3 shots to Sunderland's 22 which is 1:7 ratio. Although Durham has been a long time critic of Pulis  unfortunately he's also a bit of a tit so please don't make me defend him.

Durham and Shearer both make the same mistake of taking clubs that have either massively over or under performed and making a comparison to a team that is operating around par. Forty points is not a noteworthy achievement but nor is it terrible. Yes the four teams in and around the relegation zone would happily swap but had their seasons followed a similar course to our own at least three of them wouldn't be booking the open top bus tour nor should we.

Pulis's delight at hitting 40 points does reveal the mind set the coach and by extension the club. It is essentially a negative one of self preservation by whatever means possible. Our current level might be it, that's what our resources gets us, we can hope for a truly remarkable season like Leicester or fear a terrible one like Villa's where everything that can go wrong goes wrong but it absolutely does not have to be achieved by playing the way Pulis does.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 05, 2016, 10:38:36 AM
I didn't realise it was written by Adrian Durham who, like Talksport, is a total backside IMO, but the article still resonates with me nonetheless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 05, 2016, 10:46:20 AM
As someone generally in the middle with Pulis i have to give him credit for hitting the magical 40 points mark in early April especially when you look at the teams fighting to stay up and the amount of money they all have except maybe Norwich.
As frustrated as i have been at times this season with some performances i accept the squad he started the season with had 3 maybe 4 players on big money he would have liked to have moved on and replaced , yes he bought a bad signing or two but most managers do and i for one thought Lambert would do more than he has.
If Pulis is still here next season i will really judge him around Xmas , he should have his own squad
by then and been here long enough to stamp his mark on the side. I'd like to see better passing and the back of shot free games , i think thats all fair enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 05, 2016, 10:50:57 AM
Quote from: Standaman on April 05, 2016, 10:03:08 AM
I think we had 3 shots to Sunderland's 22 which is 1:7 ratio. Although Durham has been a long time critic of Pulis  unfortunately he's also a bit of a tit so please don't make me defend him.

Durham and Shearer both make the same mistake of taking clubs that have either massively over or under performed and making a comparison to a team that is operating around par. Forty points is not a noteworthy achievement but nor is it terrible. Yes the four teams in and around the relegation zone would happily swap but had their seasons followed a similar course to our own at least three of them wouldn't be booking the open top bus tour nor should we.

Pulis's delight at hitting 40 points does reveal the mind set the coach and by extension the club. It is essentially a negative one of self preservation by whatever means possible. Our current level might be it, that's what our resources gets us, we can hope for a truly remarkable season like Leicester or fear a terrible one like Villa's where everything that can go wrong goes wrong but it absolutely does not have to be achieved by playing the way Pulis does.
The trouble is, when you play not to lose, rather than going out to win games, "doing a Leicester" is near impossible, whereas, all it takes is a bit of bad luck or a run of injuries and before you know it you are " doing a Villa".
To be fair though the latter scenario is possible with virtually any manager, that we could attract, but I can't think of one that is better at dealing with it than Pulis. We rarely lose 3 in a row.

I don't hate Pulis, he is the best at what he does and if there was a trophy for achieving 40 points, with a limited squad, then his name would be all over it. What I do hate is the lack of ambition on matchday and 7 games in a season without a shot on target is a truly awful statistic and proof, in my opinion, that it is down to tactics rather than personnel.

Better the Devil you know? From a points perspective, almost certainly, from an entertainment perspective, definitely not.

P.S
You don't have to play tika taka, champagne football or "the Albion way" to muster at least one shot on target per game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on April 05, 2016, 10:52:04 AM
I think that tp is a pragmatic coach,do you think that he wouldn't like to win every match? I love to see total football and I think he is capable of producing it.he has got us to safety with matches in hand I bet the 9 teams below us want that now don't you ? I will wait to see who he brings in the summer we might be pleasantly surprised, let's be optimistic instead of the highly critical posters on here are they really Albion fans or do they just lead miserable lives.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 05, 2016, 11:17:09 AM
Quote from: liverbaggie on April 05, 2016, 10:52:04 AM
I think that tp is a pragmatic coach,do you think that he wouldn't like to win every match? I love to see total football and I think he is capable of producing it.he has got us to safety with matches in hand I bet the 9 teams below us want that now don't you ? I will wait to see who he brings in the summer we might be pleasantly surprised, let's be optimistic instead of the highly critical posters on here are they really Albion fans or do they just lead miserable lives.
Are you saying a 'real' Albion shouldn't criticise or have a negative opinion?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 05, 2016, 11:35:26 AM
I will give him another years support but i aint entirely confident he spends wisely. when he goes i fear we will be left with cloggers. look at the money he spent at stoke and their fans were still split down the middle like ours. we will never have continuios eye candy whilst tone is in charge thats for sure.
A few yeras back most of us would have said mid table continuity which we have seen but our expectations are growing all the time season on season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on April 05, 2016, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on April 05, 2016, 10:52:04 AM
I think that tp is a pragmatic coach,do you think that he wouldn't like to win every match? I love to see total football and I think he is capable of producing it.he has got us to safety with matches in hand I bet the 9 teams below us want that now don't you ? I will wait to see who he brings in the summer we might be pleasantly surprised, let's be optimistic instead of the highly critical posters on here are they really Albion fans or do they just lead miserable lives.

Why still be optimistic? I was pro Pulis at the start now I'm not. I hoped at the beginning of the season we would see a Palace rather than a Stoke style of play. We have a coach who is notorious for his negative style backup by another stat today that we have the fewest shots on goal for any top flight team in Europe

Until that improves I'm going to be picking and choosing my games next year and won't be renewing my season ticket. The dross that has been served up this year has made me stop enjoying the games and the rose tinted glasses can no longer make up for it!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 05, 2016, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on April 05, 2016, 10:52:04 AM
I think that tp is a pragmatic coach,do you think that he wouldn't like to win every match? I love to see total football and I think he is capable of producing it.he has got us to safety with matches in hand I bet the 9 teams below us want that now don't you ? I will wait to see who he brings in the summer we might be pleasantly surprised, let's be optimistic instead of the highly critical posters on here are they really Albion fans or do they just lead miserable lives.

You think TP is capable of total football?

Wow.  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 05, 2016, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on April 05, 2016, 09:09:46 AM
After all these years in the Premier League, surely Pulis has more to offer? Or is this really the peak of his abilities?

I'm afraid Leicester have shown him up for being exactly what he is: unambitious, and happy to just coast along, doing the same things season in, season out.

But I guess when survival bonuses run into seven figures for managers these days, money can drive you to just do the bare minimum, if that's what brings rewards.

I said all of this would happen when he was appointed; I wasn't impressed, and I remain unimpressed, only now I'm bored too.

Quote
We used to look up at the sky and wonder at our place in the stars. Now we just look down, and worry about our place in the dirt.
(Interstellar)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on April 05, 2016, 01:34:28 PM
of course TP deserves another season. he has kept us up with a very mediocre squad.

but i wouldn't pay to go and watch us at the moment. watching us on telly is bad enough.

i feel sorry for those who pay every week to go and support the lads. must be very difficult.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on April 05, 2016, 02:02:19 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on April 05, 2016, 12:59:28 PM
You think TP is capable of total football?

Wow.  :o

I had to look twice, and then I read it again to be sure.
 :P.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 05, 2016, 02:12:23 PM
It's hard to argue that Pulis' default setting especially away from home is defend what you've got, safety first football.
Allowing for that though, there has been a world of difference between displays such as Stoke, Spurs and Palace at home and a lot of the other displays. In those games we played positive front foot football and created chances.
I actually think Pulis does get stung a bit when he's turned on by the fans for producing negative football.
I think this transfer window and our team approach to next season will define where we are going with Pulis. Personally I retain hope that if backed reasonably in the transfer market this summer we will see more positivity more often (but don't expect him to change his default setting if we hit a spell of bad form).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 05, 2016, 02:15:44 PM
Whats the most attacking game we have seen under Pulis? was it west ham cup last year?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 05, 2016, 02:17:39 PM
A Stokie  I know says as fans we're now exactly like Stoke used to be and in fact still are re Pulis. Some love him , some hate him. I love us being in the premier league again next year but I hate some of the performances we've put in to achieve it this year.

I say fair play to Pulis for what he's achieved with a below par Albion squad and he should get another year to try to push us on in terms of finishing place and style. However, I'm also glad I don't have a season ticket at the moment as I'd begrudge wasting at least 5 matches a season or maybe more of my precious time on dross performances where we throw in the towel before the start of a game.

This season, I'd give Pulis a 6 out of 10 because you can't argue he's achieved what the club wanted but the way he's gone about it at times has not often pleased the paying punters - who ultimately the club exists for - so I thought!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on April 06, 2016, 10:45:52 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/06/west-brom-to-offer-tony-pulis-new-contract-as-he-targets-signing/

Interesting bad news to all TP haters
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on April 06, 2016, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: tylerm on April 06, 2016, 10:45:52 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/06/west-brom-to-offer-tony-pulis-new-contract-as-he-targets-signing/

Interesting bad news to all TP haters
I dont like the way pulis sets his teams up i dont like his football, but that does not mean i hate him we can all have an opinion without hating.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brummyroader on April 06, 2016, 11:22:16 PM
Football is a results business, TP gets results. Simples.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 06, 2016, 11:39:02 PM
Tony Pulis will be offered a new contract this summer after guiding West Bromwich Albion to Premier League safety, as he closes in on 1,000 games in management.

Pulis is in line for an extension to his current £2 million-a-year deal and is plotting major changes as he bids to make further progress at the Hawthorns.

The 58-year-old will have 12 months left on his contract in June but negotiations over improved terms are expected to start in the next few weeks with chairman Jeremy Peace.

Pulis has never been relegated as a manager and the 0-0 draw at Sunderland on Saturday was enough to reach his strict 40-point target, all but guaranteeing another campaign in the top flight.

However, the Welshman has endured criticism from some supporters this season over his style of play and pragmatic approach to games, raising doubts over his own future. There was further scrutiny over the weekend after Albion failed to register a shot on target for the seventh game.

But Pulis is planning to make significant changes in order to make his squad more attacking for next season, with funds to be made available by Peace after a record spend last summer.

Saido Berahino is poised for the exit, with Tottenham Hotspur and Stoke City both interested, while £6 million signings Stephane Sessegnon and Victor Anichebe will both leave when their contracts expire.

There could be other departures, but one of Pulis’s priorities is to bring the average age of the squad down with pacey, attacking signings. On Tuesday night he made a personal check on Hull City’s Jake Livermore and Andrew Robertson, though the Tigers lost 4-0 at promotion rivals Derby County.

He also intends to target strikers and wide players to make his team more attractive and exciting, particularly away from home. Albion are set to appoint a new technical director to assist Pulis in the transfer market.

"We've just got to try and improve every year and move on and try to get better,” he said. “Fingers crossed, things will drop for us and we’ll be able to bring a few players in who will give us a little bit more than what we've got at the moment in respect of going forward.

"With seven games to go, to get to 40 points is first class for us because we've got some tough games coming up. We go to Man City, Arsenal and Tottenham, so we need to get the points in the bag.

"When you look below and you look at teams like Aston Villa, Newcastle, Sunderland, nobody should ever - especially at our football club - take anything for granted in this league. It's the hardest league and the toughest league in the world."

Pulis was appointed as head coach in January 2015 after the departure of Alan Irvine, the fourth managerial appointment in a year.

In his first season he guided the Baggies to 13th place and he could even top that this year with the club currently 11th.

Pulis takes his team to the Etihad Stadium this weekend in what will be his 984th game as a manager.


No great surprise here, guess that is our course set for the next couple of years. Signing players to make us more attacking? I wonder if John Percy was able to type that up without smiling I wouldn't mind betting that he wrote something similar about 5 years ago about Stoke yeah whatever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on April 07, 2016, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: Standaman on April 06, 2016, 11:39:02 PM
No great surprise here, guess that is our course set for the next couple of years. Signing players to make us more attacking? I wonder if John Percy was able to type that up without smiling I wouldn't mind betting that he wrote something similar about 5 years ago about Stoke yeah whatever.

Close enough...

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11701/8235004/stoke-city-boss-tony-pulis-wants-a-lot-more-from-his-attacking-players
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on April 07, 2016, 12:35:50 AM
With a decent technical director assisting him in the transfer market then I think we could be successful. If it is true he's targeting wide players and strikers then hopefully the presence of a TD could help us get targets higher up on our list. Last year we missed out on phillips, antonio, gignac, ba all of whom would have improved is massively.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 07, 2016, 07:53:13 AM
I think the comments about signing attacking players are a sweetener as the club would know that there will be a decent proportion of fans depressed with any news of Pulis' contract being extended.....I'm not one of those.

I see no reason to disbelieve that Pulis wants at least a couple of attacking players ....2 strikers if Vic and Saido leave. At least 1 wide player if Sess goes and probably a more progressive CM/AM. We have played decent/good football in half dozen games this season and I have some faith that Pulis wants the players to enable us to do that more often (we lost it during the cup run and replays when our ageing stretched squad struggled with the two games a week).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 07, 2016, 08:16:41 AM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on April 07, 2016, 12:04:23 AM
Close enough...

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11701/8235004/stoke-city-boss-tony-pulis-wants-a-lot-more-from-his-attacking-players

The ghost of Xmas past present and bloody future. Big up the opposition mention the fact they bought in lots of players, dig out a random member of the squad etc...  For the record going into that game the 11th of the season they had scored 8 goals won once and drawn 6 3 of which were 0:0, they went on to beat QPR who were awful by 1:0.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on April 07, 2016, 08:30:52 AM
Let's see how mant stick to their word and 'not step foot in The Hawthorns' until Pulis is gone!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on April 07, 2016, 09:03:28 AM
No team under TP has ever been relegated from the prem
No team under TP has ever finished in the top 10, that being the case it's highly unlikely he is going to change his tactics now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 07, 2016, 09:14:21 AM
Quote from: geoff on April 07, 2016, 09:03:28 AM
No team under TP has ever been relegated from the prem
No team under TP has ever finished in the top 10, that being the case it's highly unlikely he is going to change his tactics now.


even with his own 11 players on the pitch nothing would change
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on April 07, 2016, 10:57:15 AM
God this is a depressing thread! We just have to live in hope that stats are there to be broken, and i don't mean the relegated one, more the fact we have the squad to reach the top 10 if we really apply ourselves. He's here to stay folks, and while that means mind numbing football, it also means stability for now, so we have to live with that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 07, 2016, 11:06:55 AM
Quote from: baggie96 on April 07, 2016, 12:35:50 AM
With a decent technical director assisting him in the transfer market then I think we could be successful. If it is true he's targeting wide players and strikers then hopefully the presence of a TD could help us get targets higher up on our list. Last year we missed out on phillips, antonio, gignac, ba all of whom would have improved is massively.

Indeed they would have but we couldn't afford them. I don't think we'll be any better placed in the transfer market this summer either. Why would any decent attacking / flair player come and play in a TP side?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 07, 2016, 11:18:10 AM
I'll renew I don't want to lose my seat but like this season I won't go to every game like I used to and should do. Pulis won't be here for ever but if anybody thinks he will change his playing style after all these years is either very very optimistic or knows very little about football.... And if you're clinging onto the 3 or 4 games Palace played attacking football he inhereted a couple of very very good players and given time they would play the rubbish anti football we do and Stoke did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on April 07, 2016, 11:24:09 AM
i agree with you crazed.
if we get 20mil for saido i think that jp will give tp another 20 mil so he may have 40mil to spend this summer.
thats a massive amount for us to have to spend on new players,he will get rid of the dead wood and i think he will bring in creative attacking players and i think they will want to come to us,we will be a top ten premier club with an eye on a euro place,hes sorted our players how to defend so the squad know what to do we just need some speedy wingers and a quality number 10 with rondon,thats all.
i will wait for the pessimists to knock all of this, i wonder how good they all are at their jobs and could they take the constant critisism that they give,i think not,some folks are never happy are they.     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 07, 2016, 11:28:04 AM
the trouble is arnt these new players 40 millions worth of them on the back of the new money deal going to want more money. i doubt anything will change with league positions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 07, 2016, 11:37:18 AM
We spent around  40 million last summer and things didn't improve in the slightest.... If anything the football has been worse than ever this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 07, 2016, 11:43:22 AM
Quote from: liverbaggie on April 07, 2016, 11:24:09 AM
i agree with you crazed.
if we get 20mil for saido i think that jp will give tp another 20 mil so he may have 40mil to spend this summer.
thats a massive amount for us to have to spend on new players,he will get rid of the dead wood and i think he will bring in creative attacking players and i think they will want to come to us,we will be a top ten premier club with an eye on a euro place,hes sorted our players how to defend so the squad know what to do we just need some speedy wingers and a quality number 10 with rondon,thats all.
i will wait for the pessimists to knock all of this, i wonder how good they all are at their jobs and could they take the constant critisism that they give,i think not,some folks are never happy are they.   
So, yesterday, anyone critical of TP was not really an Albion fan and today they are probably no good at their jobs?
Brilliant.  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on April 07, 2016, 11:45:37 AM
I cling to the hope that even JP will get fed up of the dirge that Pulis serves up but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 07, 2016, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 07, 2016, 11:28:04 AM
the trouble is arnt these new players 40 millions worth of them on the back of the new money deal going to want more money. i doubt anything will change with league positions

Correct. If you stand still you end up going backwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 07, 2016, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on April 07, 2016, 11:37:18 AM
We spent around  40 million last summer and things didn't improve in the slightest.... If anything the football has been worse than ever this season.

Not really, you went from being a bottom 4 club for over 12 months into a mid table club. Looks at the difference in points between the last 2 seasons and this season if your memory is bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 07, 2016, 11:57:51 AM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on April 07, 2016, 11:45:37 AM
I cling to the hope that even JP will get fed up of the dirge that Pulis serves up but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
Do you accept the fact that that are some games where it's not dirge ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 07, 2016, 11:58:39 AM
Good luck to Pulis. He does deserve the opportunity to change things. I'm optimistic that Pulis has well understood that the team desperately need to offer fans more attacking, chances, shots, anything to get us more excited than this technical, defensive approach provides. For me, he'd need to change his whole approach, formation as well as personnel. Maybe, the sale/ letting go of Berahino, Anichebe, Sessegnon, McManaman and Lambert will mean we have five attacking squad (hopefully first team) places to fill at least?

I can't help but think the real root cause of our attacking issues lie in midfield and full back though where we're so static most of the time it's untrue!
 
I just can't see Pulis changing all of that? Rather, I think he'll sign a few forwards and stick with two banks of four which will probably not make much difference?

Here's living in hope if not expectation!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 07, 2016, 11:59:31 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 07, 2016, 11:56:35 AM
Not really, you went from being a bottom 4 club for over 12 months into a mid table club. Looks at the difference in points between the last 2 seasons and this season if your memory is bad.
i said the 'football' is worse not the points or you struggling to read chief?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on April 07, 2016, 12:29:56 PM
Goodluck to the bloke. I can't help but feel a clubthat is up for sale looks more attractive with a manager with his record signed on a long contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 07, 2016, 12:51:16 PM
The only thin we can hope for is we bring in players technically good enough that even in Pulis rigid system they show some attacking guile.

With 2 decent pacey wingers and a box to box midfielder even in his negative system we would have more of a threat.

The question for me is what is out there that's better than pulis? Moyes is pragmatic would he let the players of the leash more?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 07, 2016, 01:04:50 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on April 07, 2016, 12:51:16 PM
The question for me is what is out there that's better than pulis? Moyes is pragmatic would he let the players of the leash more?

Moyes is pragmatic, but he signed players who he knew could create and score goals, Pienaar, Cahill etc.

Even Sam Allardyce has signed Jay-Jay Okocha and Youri Djorkaeff in the past, while our own Megson signed Kanu and Koumas.

Could you honestly imagine Pulis trying to make a signing like that, let alone actually playing them?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 07, 2016, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on April 07, 2016, 11:59:31 AM
i said the 'football' is worse not the points or you struggling to read chief?

Views of the 'football' are subjective though aren't they? You may only be happy if you see 200 passes across the back four every game. Your next door neighbour may only be happy is he see's 20 shots every game. Which one of you is right?

Is good 'football' winning 3 games out of 17 like Pepe Mel managed?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 07, 2016, 01:38:47 PM
I do agree with you partly and it's getting the right balance between total garbage Pulis plays and kamakaze defending like Pepe Mel played... But I do think if he'd had the money Pulis has mostly wasted we would still be in the prem, playing better football and people wouldn't be giving up season tickets after 20 years of having one. I'm not that extreme he will soon go one way or another but I'm not as committed because we all know what to expect on the pitch and that's not what football is about for me but obviously some aren't fussed and again there's no right or wrong way to support the team we all love.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 07, 2016, 01:55:14 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on April 07, 2016, 12:51:16 PM
The only thin we can hope for is we bring in players technically good enough that even in Pulis rigid system they show some attacking guile.

With 2 decent pacey wingers and a box to box midfielder even in his negative system we would have more of a threat.

The question for me is what is out there that's better than pulis? Moyes is pragmatic would he let the players of the leash more?
I honestly don't think attacking players will be a priority though. We have an ageing defence with no recognised Fullbacks, so wouldn't be surprised if we see a fair chunk of the budget go on more Centre Halves. Everything we do is built around defence so he won't go into the new season with what we have now, imo.
That being said, we simply have to improve going forward, we have rode our luck too many times with a creaky defence managing to hold solid. Pulis will know this and at least try and bring in some pace, but they will probably be quicker, tenacious, up and down sorts, rather than fancy flair players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on April 07, 2016, 01:56:20 PM
Bet some lot won't be happy with this news  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 07, 2016, 02:15:18 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on April 07, 2016, 11:24:09 AM
i agree with you crazed.
if we get 20mil for saido i think that jp will give tp another 20 mil so he may have 40mil to spend this summer.
thats a massive amount for us to have to spend on new players,he will get rid of the dead wood and i think he will bring in creative attacking players and i think they will want to come to us,we will be a top ten premier club with an eye on a euro place,hes sorted our players how to defend so the squad know what to do we just need some speedy wingers and a quality number 10 with rondon,thats all.
i will wait for the pessimists to knock all of this, i wonder how good they all are at their jobs and could they take the constant critisism that they give,i think not,some folks are never happy are they.   

£40m got us bugger all last summer and it will get even less this summer with inflated prices especially if Pulis sticks to the British market. I hope the new TD looks at what bargains can be had from abroad.

I'd also argue that we need more than just a couple of wingers and a No.10. We can't pass wind at times so a good quality central midfielder is required. Add a couple of full backs, a centre half and another couple of strikers to that list for me too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 07, 2016, 02:31:47 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on April 07, 2016, 02:15:18 PM
£40m got us bugger all last summer and it will get even less this summer with inflated prices especially if Pulis sticks to the British market. I hope the new TD looks at what bargains can be had from abroad.

I'd also argue that we need more than just a couple of wingers and a No.10. We can't pass wind at times so a good quality central midfielder is required. Add a couple of full backs, a centre half and another couple of strikers to that list for me too.
Evans and Rondon were part of the £40m - is that bugger all ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 07, 2016, 03:15:14 PM
Evans is a success and we will do well to hold onto him in the summer but I still don't think Rondon can be classed as money well spent....and I'm a massive fan of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 07, 2016, 03:53:13 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 07, 2016, 01:19:24 PM
Views of the 'football' are subjective though aren't they? You may only be happy if you see 200 passes across the back four every game. Your next door neighbour may only be happy is he see's 20 shots every game. Which one of you is right?

Is good 'football' winning 3 games out of 17 like Pepe Mel managed?

I actually enjoyed going to and watching Pepe Mel games even when we lost though. So yes it was good football as I found it entertaining and wanted to pay my hard earned money to go and watch it.

I can barely sit through (the majority) of Pulis games without getting bored out of my mind and giving up.

Bookmakers usually have us around a 5000/1 chance of winning the league we are in so entertainment is important for me as I know how unlikely glory is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 07, 2016, 04:03:55 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 07, 2016, 01:19:24 PM
Views of the 'football' are subjective though aren't they? You may only be happy if you see 200 passes across the back four every game. Your next door neighbour may only be happy is he see's 20 shots every game. Which one of you is right?

Is good 'football' winning 3 games out of 17 like Pepe Mel managed?


our savior that year with his hands tied, marvellous job
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 07, 2016, 05:21:04 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 07, 2016, 04:03:55 PM

our savior that year with his hands tied, marvellous job

I can't remember Downing having his hands tied ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 07, 2016, 05:27:43 PM
To be honest we could spend £40m or more on the team and transform it or finish up with something worse than we already have. If we focus on recruiting a relatively small number of key first choice players and those players are recruited to fit a style of play then we could progress. I would hope Pulis knows where he is going tactically so from that perspective there should be a plan. However if the idea is to bolt on a couple of quick wingers and launch the ball in their general direction it isn't much of a plan. 





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 07, 2016, 06:43:15 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on April 07, 2016, 11:24:09 AM
i agree with you crazed.
if we get 20mil for saido i think that jp will give tp another 20 mil so he may have 40mil to spend this summer.
thats a massive amount for us to have to spend on new players,he will get rid of the dead wood and i think he will bring in creative attacking players and i think they will want to come to us,we will be a top ten premier club with an eye on a euro place,hes sorted our players how to defend so the squad know what to do we just need some speedy wingers and a quality number 10 with rondon,thats all.
i will wait for the pessimists to knock all of this, i wonder how good they all are at their jobs and could they take the constant critisism that they give,i think not,some folks are never happy are they.   
how will he get rid of the dead wood if nobody wants them ,he's also added to the dead wood list by signing Lambert, chester and macmanaman who have featured very little this season and cost us £14m.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 07, 2016, 07:27:54 PM
Can't see the logic in offering improved terms, he already has 12 months remaining on his deal, it's not like we need to protect ourselves from bigger clubs prizing him away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 07, 2016, 07:37:45 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 07, 2016, 07:27:54 PM
Can't see the logic in offering improved terms, he already has 12 months remaining on his deal, it's not like we need to protect ourselves from bigger clubs prizing him away.
"Bigger Clubs wont"
It is clubs like ourselves which would be looking to employ TP.
As per the worry some posters had when Villa were looking for a manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 07, 2016, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 07, 2016, 07:27:54 PM
Can't see the logic in offering improved terms, he already has 12 months remaining on his deal, it's not like we need to protect ourselves from bigger clubs prizing him away.
Well Villa and probably Newcastle will be looking for new managers. Although they will both very likely be Championship clubs they could still be viewed as bigger clubs than us. The improved deal will mean it will be more expensive for anyone to lure him away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 07, 2016, 09:10:50 PM
Cant lie,  will be sad to have another year of pulls. This has been the most boring year to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 07, 2016, 10:03:20 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 07, 2016, 07:50:06 PM
Well Villa and probably Newcastle will be looking for new managers. Although they will both very likely be Championship clubs they could still be viewed as bigger clubs than us. The improved deal will mean it will be more expensive for anyone to lure him away.
You think Pulis would leave us to manage in the Championship?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 07, 2016, 10:07:23 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 07, 2016, 10:03:20 PM
You think Pulis would leave us to manage in the Championship?

He'll go where the money is. I'd have a 3 year deal on the table now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 07, 2016, 10:08:23 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 07, 2016, 10:03:20 PM
You think Pulis would leave us to manage in the Championship?
I'm not sure obviously... but if they were offering more money and a longer contract than us then it's a possibility. You were basically saying what's the point of improving his terms.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 07, 2016, 11:01:21 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 07, 2016, 10:07:23 PM
He'll go where the money is. I'd have a 3 year deal on the table now.
https://www.stayintheknow.co.uk/da/126055/FREE_SAMARITANS_PHONE_NUMBER.html :) :) :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 07, 2016, 11:20:47 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 07, 2016, 10:08:23 PM
I'm not sure obviously... but if they were offering more money and a longer contract than us then it's a possibility. You were basically saying what's the point of improving his terms.
I think you are right there.But at this moment I cannot see him going anywhere, but to continue.
I personally hope so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 08, 2016, 07:41:44 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 07, 2016, 01:19:24 PM
Is good 'football' winning 3 games out of 17 like Pepe Mel managed?
It's not appropriate to make a comparison between the 2 because Pulis has had more than a fair opportunity to make his mark on the club, whereas Mel didn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 08, 2016, 07:52:43 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on April 08, 2016, 07:41:44 AM
It's not appropriate to make a comparison between the 2 because Pulis has had more than a fair opportunity to make his mark on the club, whereas Mel didn't.
It's also irrelevant. It would be like using the arguement that Pulis should be sacked because he is not as successful as Big Ron (in his first stint  ;))
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 08, 2016, 08:20:48 AM
No way Pulis would manage Newcastle, he lives in Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on April 08, 2016, 08:34:09 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on April 08, 2016, 08:20:48 AM
No way Pulis would manage Newcastle, he lives in Bournemouth.

I can't imagine he travels from Bournemouth to WBA every day. so a move to Newcastle would give him a similar situation.
On the other hand, I couldn't see TP replacing Benitez.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 08, 2016, 08:43:31 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on April 08, 2016, 08:34:09 AM
I can't imagine he travels from Bournemouth to WBA every day. so a move to Newcastle would give him a similar situation.
On the other hand, I couldn't see TP replacing Benitez.
He won't have to, Benitez will be gone when they get relegated.

Pulis will be here next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 08, 2016, 08:50:17 AM
Setting aside the logistics of managing a club in the North East and living on the South Coast I would very much doubt Pulis would want to manage even a perceived big club like Newcastle or the Villa in the Championship, he is very proud of managing in the Premier League it is his life's work and he would be very reluctant to give it up even for a very large sum of money.

Obviously I'm offering up prayers to every possible deity that this not the case and Mike Ashley is loading up a Sports Direct Truck with used £50's to lure him away to Tyneside as I write this. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 08, 2016, 09:11:15 AM
Quote from: Standaman on April 08, 2016, 08:50:17 AM
Setting aside the logistics of managing a club in the North East and living on the South Coast I would very much doubt Pulis would want to manage even a perceived big club like Newcastle or the Villa in the Championship, he is very proud of managing in the Premier League it is his life's work and he would be very reluctant to give it up even for a very large sum of money.

Obviously I'm offering up prayers to every possible deity that this not the case and Mike Ashley is loading up a Sports Direct Truck with used £50's to lure him away to Tyneside as I write this. ;D
His M.O is purpose built for finishing mid table in the Prem. It wouldn't work as well in the Championship, you have to win a lot of games to get promoted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 08, 2016, 09:20:11 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on April 08, 2016, 09:11:15 AM
His M.O is purpose built for finishing mid table in the Prem. It wouldn't work as well in the Championship, you have to win a lot of games to get promoted.

Sokelad will be on a bit to remind us that Saint Anthony of the Clayheads lead his flock from the barren wastelands of the Championship to the land of milk and honey that is the Premier League. Personally I hope he goes so Stokelad can go tell the Geordies just how lucky they are to have Pulis and good luck with that bonny lad. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 08, 2016, 09:42:13 AM
Standaman is correct. Pulis has several promotions on his CV whereas a David Moyes has one  ;)

But with 8 consecutive Premier League seasons I can't see him wanting to drop down a level. Would Villa or Newcastle really offer over £2m basic + over £1m in bonus payments? Guys like Moyes would be cheaper.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 08, 2016, 10:10:08 AM
Newcastle have a lot of financial clout and will be prepared to do whatever it takes to get back and from that point of view might go after Pulis if they thought he was the man for the job however there are lots of cheaper and better options available  ;D . Villa on the other hand are desperately trying balance the books sort out the mess and won't throw lots of money at getting a new manager £3m a year plus £2m compensation is not how they will be rolling for the time being.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 08, 2016, 11:26:37 AM
no rush then ay Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on April 08, 2016, 01:45:07 PM
https://twitter.com/skysportslyall/status/718378759108341760 (https://twitter.com/skysportslyall/status/718378759108341760)

Is the Pulis new deal a non-story?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on April 09, 2016, 09:34:02 AM
I've not been too happy with some (not all remember) dire negative performances this season BUT Pulis has comfortably kept us up which was vital in this pivotable season. Those Clubs in the top division move onto a higher plain with the extra money pouring in and, effectively, moves a little higher in the European club food chain and hopefully puts us even further ahead of the many similar size clubs fighting it out in the Championship.

On balance, I think he's more than earnt a chance at further rebuilding in the summer where, hopefully, he can bring in some players that can make us more effective going forward as he gets rid of some of the deadwood in the squad that he doesn't rate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on April 09, 2016, 10:01:19 AM
AlbionBest - My worry is that the 'deadwood' is now made up with players that Pulis signed! Do we really want Pulis let loose with the coffers to rebuild, which will in turn be next years deadwood?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 09, 2016, 10:33:47 AM
Quote from: BB74 on April 09, 2016, 10:01:19 AM
AlbionBest - My worry is that the 'deadwood' is now made up with players that Pulis signed! Do we really want Pulis let loose with the coffers to rebuild, which will in turn be next years deadwood?
So who has Pulis signed ? Fletcher (success in my view), Evans (success), Rondon (success in my view and we'd make a profit on him if we wanted to), Chester (time will tell), McLean (worth what we paid), McManaman (not trusted so is looking deadwood).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 09, 2016, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: Adder on April 09, 2016, 10:33:47 AM
So who has Pulis signed ? Fletcher (success in my view), Evans (success), Rondon (success in my view and we'd make a profit on him if we wanted to), Chester (time will tell), McLean (worth what we paid), McManaman (not trusted so is looking deadwood).

Your forgetting Rickie lambert.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 09, 2016, 12:09:14 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 09, 2016, 10:41:25 AM
Your forgetting Rickie lambert.
oops that was accidental
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 09, 2016, 01:16:11 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 09, 2016, 10:33:47 AM
So who has Pulis signed ? Fletcher (success in my view), Evans (success), Rondon (success in my view and we'd make a profit on him if we wanted to), Chester (time will tell), McLean (worth what we paid), McManaman (not trusted so is looking deadwood).

Even adding Lambert that doesn't seem too bad a success rate for permanent signings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on April 09, 2016, 01:16:35 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 09, 2016, 10:33:47 AM
So who has Pulis signed ? Fletcher (success in my view), Evans (success), Rondon (success in my view and we'd make a profit on him if we wanted to), Chester (time will tell), McLean (worth what we paid), McManaman (not trusted so is looking deadwood).

What about Lambert, Gnabry, Pritchard, Lindegaard?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 09, 2016, 01:18:39 PM
Quote from: BB74 on April 09, 2016, 01:16:35 PM
What about Lambert, Gnabry, Pritchard, Lindegaard?

Lambert full on failure even though a lot of supporters expected him to add a lot more.

Lindegaard served a purpose while Foster was out injured.

As for Gnabry and Pritchard how many loan deals have been a success for us at Premier League level? Only the likes of Lukaku and Richardson years ago, Pritchard could still have an impact too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 09, 2016, 01:26:43 PM
Quote from: BB74 on April 09, 2016, 01:16:35 PM
What about Lambert, Gnabry, Pritchard, Lindegaard?
Yeah Pritchard was brought in when Morrison got his injury. A premier league team has to have cover....if Saido hadn't sorted his act out and started playing again we'd have seen a lot more of Pritchard. I'll give you McManaman, Lambert and Gnabry as  signings that have become 'deadwood'....no matter who is manager though there will be a proportion of signings that end this way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 09, 2016, 06:04:44 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 09, 2016, 01:26:43 PM
Yeah Pritchard was brought in when Morrison got his injury. A premier league team has to have cover....if Saido hadn't sorted his act out and started playing again we'd have seen a lot more of Pritchard. I'll give you McManaman, Lambert and Gnabry as  signings that have become 'deadwood'....no matter who is manager though there will be a proportion of signings that end this way.

How on earth a loan deal can be considered dead wood. It's going back out the club irrespective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 09, 2016, 07:53:52 PM
Can't fault him for today, gave it a go and played some decent football at times.

Also, it's good to see Leko being used over Lambert and Anichebe - at least he's building for the future with Leko.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 09, 2016, 08:30:59 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 09, 2016, 07:53:52 PM
Can't fault him for today, gave it a go and played some decent football at times.

Also, it's good to see Leko being used over Lambert and Anichebe - at least he's building for the future with Leko.
still think when rondon went off injured he should have put a striker on instead of gardner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 09, 2016, 09:09:50 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 09, 2016, 08:30:59 PM
still think when rondon went off injured he should have put a striker on instead of gardner.
Possibly, but what would you do, put Anichebe on?
He's been awful for us this season and will be off in the summer. The other options are Leko and Lambert. Lambert is arguably worse and Leko is too young.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 09, 2016, 09:10:06 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 09, 2016, 08:30:59 PM
still think when rondon went off injured he should have put a striker on instead of gardner.

Why Berahino up front is still a better option than Anichebe up front, he could perhaps have introduced Leko or McManaman, but we had something to hold onto in an away game with the best team in the league against bottom half sides.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 09, 2016, 09:40:16 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 09, 2016, 09:09:50 PM
Possibly, but what would you do, put Anichebe on?
He's been awful for us this season and will be off in the summer. The other options are Leko and Lambert. Lambert is arguably worse and Leko is too young.
we started the match with two strikers, what was the point in having 2 strikers as subs if they aint going to replace the ones who come of.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 09, 2016, 09:56:48 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 09, 2016, 09:40:16 PM
we started the match with two strikers, what was the point in having 2 strikers as subs if they aint going to replace the ones who come of.

We didn't Berahino was clearly playing in an attacking midfield role. Rondon was up front on his own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on April 10, 2016, 07:59:05 AM
So says the Mail this will please a  few so who should we go for?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3532180/Newcastle-eye-Tony-Pulis-replace-Rafa-Benitez-Spaniard-leaves-relegation.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 10, 2016, 08:02:51 AM
Quote from: KYA on April 10, 2016, 07:59:05 AM
So says the Mail this will please a  few so who should we go for?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3532180/Newcastle-eye-Tony-Pulis-replace-Rafa-Benitez-Spaniard-leaves-relegation.html

A straight swap would work for me
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 10, 2016, 08:22:40 AM
A massive difference between "wanting" and "getting".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 10, 2016, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 10, 2016, 08:02:51 AM
A straight swap would work for me
No thanks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 10, 2016, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: Adder on April 10, 2016, 08:54:53 AM
No thanks

Does that you prefer to keep Pulis or that Benitez isn't good enough for us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on April 10, 2016, 09:18:08 AM
Quote from: Adder on April 10, 2016, 08:54:53 AM
No thanks

Really? I'd snap their hand off!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 10, 2016, 09:22:11 AM
There is absolutely nothing in this story, a piece of utter bilge not even worth the very small amount of time the writer took to write it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 10, 2016, 09:43:33 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on April 10, 2016, 09:09:07 AM
Does that you prefer to keep Pulis or that Benitez isn't good enough for us?
It's obviously not going to happen but.....I think Pulis is a safer pair of hands for us and I wouldn't bank on the football improving that much under Benitez.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 10, 2016, 09:48:14 AM
Convenient timing  ;D

"Jeremy, if you don't give me that new 3 year contract I'll get Mike Ashley on the phone."

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 10, 2016, 09:57:38 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 10, 2016, 09:48:14 AM
Convenient timing  ;D

"Jeremy, if you don't give me that new 3 year contract I'll get Mike Ashley on the phone."

"No problem Tony, I'll help you pack"  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 10, 2016, 10:03:56 AM
Quote from: Aztech on April 10, 2016, 09:57:38 AM
"No problem Tony, I'll help you pack"  :P


Mutual consent!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 10, 2016, 10:08:57 AM
My car is ready and waiting Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RICH ONE on April 10, 2016, 10:10:21 AM
Pulis and Ashley would clash on day one
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 10, 2016, 10:33:52 AM
Quote from: RICH ONE on April 10, 2016, 10:10:21 AM
Pulis and Ashley would clash on day one

We all said that about him and Peace. If Ashley put his hands up and said "We're in a mess whatever you want whatever it takes here it is sort it out" then Pulis would work with him. However we can put the car back in the garage or the funeral suit back in the wardrobe because it isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on April 10, 2016, 10:57:17 AM
Love to know who the Pulis haters would replace him with given our constraints as a Club ?

I get as frustrated as the rest but dread the alternatives as we saw when Roy left.
Pulis has earned the right to go with next season as it was a massive goal to make sure we kept up this season with the glittering prize awaiting all clubs next term. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 10, 2016, 10:59:55 AM
Quote from: AlbionBest on April 10, 2016, 10:57:17 AM
Love to know who the Pulis haters would replace him with given our constraints as a Club ?

I get as frustrated as the rest but dread the alternatives as we saw when Roy left.
Pulis has earned the right to go with next season as it was a massive goal to make sure we kept up this season with the glittering prize awaiting all clubs next term.
So which is it, difficult constraints or a "glittering prize"?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on April 10, 2016, 11:06:21 AM
Important to get to the "glittering prize" as it moves us up the food chain a bit - further away from many of the aspiring Championship clubs to a degree.
However, unless we are taken over by an owner that wants to invest and expand the club then their will always be difficult constraints on what we can invest and achieve against our peers at this top level.

Cue the brilliant Simple Minds............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv_p2DImxTQ&nohtml5=False

 :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 10, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
Quote from: AlbionBest on April 10, 2016, 10:57:17 AM
Love to know who the Pulis haters would replace him with given our constraints as a Club ?

I get as frustrated as the rest but dread the alternatives as we saw when Roy left.
Pulis has earned the right to go with next season as it was a massive goal to make sure we kept up this season with the glittering prize awaiting all clubs next term.

Interesting that Raineri was mooted a couple of years ago and was ridiculed by several posters on here.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 10, 2016, 11:20:20 AM
I don't 'hate' Pulis he seems a nice guy and is a proper football person but I just can't stand the absolute rubbish brand of football he serves up, if you flick sky sports on at 5 on a Saturday afternoon he probably seems like he's doing a great job but if you go to the games it gets very frustrating...I'm sure a multi million pound business like we are can find a suitable replacement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 10, 2016, 02:49:01 PM
Yesterday was a big positive but unfortunately that will not be the blueprint going forward. You know eventually we shall resort to type and that is what I find most disappointing. We have heard on endless occasions as a defence for our most mind-numbing performances that this current group are incapable of playing any other way. Yesterday showed with the shackles reduced we are able of moving the ball through defence and midfield and then looking to create chances.

What does annoy me is when we perform how we did yesterday, a bravado, positive performance but then resort to negative, mind-numbing pooh against sides who are equally as bad or if not worse than ourselves.

I'd love yesterday to be the blueprint going forward but unfortunately it won't be and the evidence is there at Stoke to prove that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 10, 2016, 03:38:20 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on April 10, 2016, 02:49:01 PM
Yesterday was a big positive but unfortunately that will not be the blueprint going forward. You know eventually we shall resort to type and that is what I find most disappointing. We have heard on endless occasions as a defence for our most mind-numbing performances that this current group are incapable of playing any other way. Yesterday showed with the shackles reduced we are able of moving the ball through defence and midfield and then looking to create chances.

What does annoy me is when we perform how we did yesterday, a bravado, positive performance but then resort to negative, mind-numbing pooh against sides who are equally as bad or if not worse than ourselves.

I'd love yesterday to be the blueprint going forward but unfortunately it won't be and the evidence is there at Stoke to prove that.

Agree with every word.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stever60 on April 10, 2016, 04:00:23 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on April 10, 2016, 02:49:01 PM
Yesterday was a big positive but unfortunately that will not be the blueprint going forward. You know eventually we shall resort to type and that is what I find most disappointing. We have heard on endless occasions as a defence for our most mind-numbing performances that this current group are incapable of playing any other way. Yesterday showed with the shackles reduced we are able of moving the ball through defence and midfield and then looking to create chances.

What does annoy me is when we perform how we did yesterday, a bravado, positive performance but then resort to negative, mind-numbing pooh against sides who are equally as bad or if not worse than ourselves.

I'd love yesterday to be the blueprint going forward but unfortunately it won't be and the evidence is there at Stoke to prove that.
didnt we lose?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 10, 2016, 04:07:37 PM
Quote from: stever60 on April 10, 2016, 04:00:23 PM
didnt we lose?

Yes.

But you're being pedantic because you quite clearly know what I mean.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2016, 04:51:09 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on April 10, 2016, 02:49:01 PM
Yesterday was a big positive but unfortunately that will not be the blueprint going forward. You know eventually we shall resort to type and that is what I find most disappointing. We have heard on endless occasions as a defence for our most mind-numbing performances that this current group are incapable of playing any other way. Yesterday showed with the shackles reduced we are able of moving the ball through defence and midfield and then looking to create chances.

What does annoy me is when we perform how we did yesterday, a bravado, positive performance but then resort to negative, mind-numbing pooh against sides who are equally as bad or if not worse than ourselves.

I'd love yesterday to be the blueprint going forward but unfortunately it won't be and the evidence is there at Stoke to prove that.

Because yesterday didn't work. Sessegnon cost us 2 goals although the entire defence was in disarray for their 2nd. We missed Yacob badly. I want the blueprint going forward to involve gathering points.  City made changes, had more than an eye on Wednesday night and we'll not have a better chance to beat them. Nothing about the game yesterday was promising except another 10 minutes for Leko imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on April 10, 2016, 06:02:32 PM
yesterday was a marked improvement on recent performances, we caused Man City to have to introduce Yaya & De-bruyne to get the win, if you don't think that was better than we were against sunderland i'm flabbergasted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 10, 2016, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2016, 04:51:09 PM
Because yesterday didn't work. Sessegnon cost us 2 goals although the entire defence was in disarray for their 2nd. We missed Yacob badly. I want the blueprint going forward to involve gathering points.  City made changes, had more than an eye on Wednesday night and we'll not have a better chance to beat them. Nothing about the game yesterday was promising except another 10 minutes for Leko imo.
Is this you trolling again or this genuinely how you are normally?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2016, 07:24:03 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 10, 2016, 06:03:48 PM
Is this you trolling again or this genuinely how you are normally?

I don't troll ever. I could ask you the same, except I genuinely believe you are as naive as your posts suggest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 10, 2016, 07:29:19 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2016, 07:24:03 PM
I don't troll ever. I could ask you the same, except I genuinely believe you are as naive as your posts suggest.

You mistook sarcasm for naievity. Of course you were trolling.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 10, 2016, 07:38:35 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2016, 04:51:09 PM
Because yesterday didn't work. Sessegnon cost us 2 goals although the entire defence was in disarray for their 2nd. We missed Yacob badly. I want the blueprint going forward to involve gathering points.  City made changes, had more than an eye on Wednesday night and we'll not have a better chance to beat them. Nothing about the game yesterday was promising except another 10 minutes for Leko imo.

Laughable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 10, 2016, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 09, 2016, 09:10:06 PM
Why Berahino up front is still a better option than Anichebe up front, he could perhaps have introduced Leko or McManaman, but we had something to hold onto in an away game with the best team in the league against bottom half sides.

So in one comment you're supporting the substitution (by your Dad Pulis) saying we had to hold on to something against the best team against bottom half sides, and on the other hand your saying that we would have never had a better chance to beat them.

So are we holding on, or trying to beat them?

Pulis gets slaughtered when we play defensively and we lose, and you defend him. Pulis gets praise for putting on a positive performance where we very nearly got a point and on another day could have won, and you say there was nothing promising. 

You are becoming argumentative for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 10, 2016, 07:59:48 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on April 10, 2016, 04:07:37 PM
Yes.

But you're being pedantic because you quite clearly know what I mean.
I don't think we can play like that every game though, which lies the problem.

Some of our close control/short passing and movement was excellent yesterday and a lot of that was due to Fletcher pulling the strings. He usually isn't that good (perhaps it was a Manchester thing?) Usually attacking wise, Sessegnon is less involved, McClean can't control like that etc and that is why our passing is often so bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 10, 2016, 08:10:58 PM
I think it also had to do with the opposition. Zabaleta and more importantly Kolarov were getting forward. That allowed Rondon and then Berahino to pull Mangala out of position into the wide areas. We won a couple of free kicks this way.

Our goal came because we turned the ball over (with the assistance of the ref) and managed to get McClean in behind of Zabaleta.

We won't be able to do that against teams every week because not every team has full backs that advance that far forward, and often teams have centre backs that aren't as willing to move into the channels like Mangala and Otamendi are.

That's why sometimes I find it odd that people are surprised we are so inconsistent. We have to play against another team, another system. The way we play works well against some teams, not so well against others. Obviously Pulis tries will scout the opposition to try to make the best of how we play but we aren't going to change too dramatically. Add in the fact that we are quite reliant on the performances of some key players (Evans, Fletcher, Sessegnon to name 3), and to me it's no surprise we aren't the most consistent team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 10, 2016, 08:15:52 PM
Quote from: MarkW on April 10, 2016, 08:10:58 PM
I think it also had to do with the opposition. Zabaleta and more importantly Kolarov were getting forward. That allowed Rondon and then Berahino to pull Mangala out of position into the wide areas. We won a couple of free kicks this way.

Our goal came because we turned the ball over (with the assistance of the ref) and managed to get McClean in behind of Zabaleta.

We won't be able to do that against teams every week because not every team has full backs that advance that far forward, and often teams have centre backs that aren't as willing to move into the channels like Mangala and Otamendi are.

That's why sometimes I find it odd that people are surprised we are so inconsistent. We have to play another team, another system. The way we play works well against some teams, not so well against others. Obviously Pulis tries will scout the opposition to try to make the best of how we play but we aren't going to change too dramatically. Add in the fact that we are quite reliant on the performances of some key players (Evans, Fletcher, Sessegnon to name 3), and to me it's no surprise we aren't the most consistent team.

Good point Mark - we play a way which tends to work better against teams who attack us and leave space for us to exploit . We badly need a plan b and c though - pace, width and at least one ball carrier in midfield when our plan a doesn't work as was the case this season frequently at home against the teams around us in the league who are happy to sit back and frustrate -  similar to how we play really .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 10, 2016, 08:57:12 PM
Anybody who doesn't think we put in a great shift yesterday, I'd love to know what they are expecting/ looking for.

And yes I would rather us lose and play with finesse and commitment than win and look dire in the process.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 10, 2016, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 10, 2016, 07:59:48 PM
I don't think we can play like that every game though, which lies the problem.

Some of our close control/short passing and movement was excellent yesterday and a lot of that was due to Fletcher pulling the strings. He usually isn't that good (perhaps it was a Manchester thing?) Usually attacking wise, Sessegnon is less involved, McClean can't control like that etc and that is why our passing is often so bad.

It was the approach I was highlighting more-so than the execution.

We will not be brilliant all the time, but I'd rather see us going out with the ambition of beating opponents than setting up not to lose.

If Pulis did that more often then he would be cheered to the rafters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2016, 09:27:31 PM
Quote from: frazzle on April 10, 2016, 07:46:04 PM
So in one comment you're supporting the substitution (by your Dad Pulis) saying we had to hold on to something against the best team against bottom half sides, and on the other hand your saying that we would have never had a better chance to beat them.

So are we holding on, or trying to beat them?

Pulis gets slaughtered when we play defensively and we lose, and you defend him. Pulis gets praise for putting on a positive performance where we very nearly got a point and on another day could have won, and you say there was nothing promising. 

You are becoming argumentative for the sake of it.

Quite simple really. The post you have quoted is clearly written from Pulis' perspective whereas the other post you are referring to is my opinion. My perspective as a fan. You have clearly missed the point. Not my problem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 10, 2016, 10:49:27 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2016, 09:27:31 PM
Quite simple really. The post you have quoted is clearly written from Pulis' perspective whereas the other post you are referring to is my opinion. My perspective as a fan. You have clearly missed the point. Not my problem.

The problem is you've lost track of what point you are making.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on April 11, 2016, 01:14:06 AM
Quote from: frazzle on April 10, 2016, 07:46:04 PM
(by your Dad Pulis)

In all fairness I know Jacko's dad.
Although he occasionally sports a baseball cap he looks f(k all like Tony Pulis.

Further to this, although his dad enjoys a bit of cycling from time to time I don't think he'll be running any marathons or rowing across the English Channel a la Tony Pulis any time soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 11, 2016, 07:44:55 PM
Linked with a Summer move to Newcastle if you believe reports

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/04/11/newcastle-fans-react-on-twitter-to-tony-pulis-speculation/?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 11, 2016, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on April 10, 2016, 09:20:04 PM
It was the approach I was highlighting more-so than the execution.

We will not be brilliant all the time, but I'd rather see us going out with the ambition of beating opponents than setting up not to lose.

If Pulis did that more often then he would be cheered to the rafters.

I could not agree more with this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 11, 2016, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on April 11, 2016, 01:14:06 AM
In all fairness I know Jacko's dad.
Although he occasionally sports a baseball cap he looks f(k all like Tony Pulis.

Further to this, although his dad enjoys a bit of cycling from time to time I don't think he'll be running any marathons or rowing across the English Channel a la Tony Pulis any time soon.
neither will chris brunt be doing any of these activities any time soon, makes you wonder. :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 12, 2016, 02:06:06 PM
Report denying recent stories about Newcastle and Pulis from Brummie mail.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-11172407
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on April 12, 2016, 05:21:42 PM
he's going nowhere. i fully expect JP to offer him an extended contract in June.  :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 12, 2016, 07:19:43 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on April 12, 2016, 05:21:42 PM
he's going nowhere. i fully expect JP to offer him an extended contract in June.  :(
I think the same.  Gutted. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 12, 2016, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on April 12, 2016, 05:21:42 PM
he's going nowhere. i fully expect JP to offer him an extended contract in June.  :(
At this moment in time I would be pleased with that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 13, 2016, 08:06:57 AM
lets give him one more season.by the end of next season we will be a million miles ahead of our european cup winner neighbours
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2016, 08:21:16 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 13, 2016, 08:06:57 AM
lets give him one more season.by the end of next season we will be a million miles ahead of our european cup winner neighbours

He's already contracted until the end of next season. 2 year extension for me in the summer taking him to the end of 2018/19.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on April 13, 2016, 05:27:10 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2016, 08:21:16 AM
He's already contracted until the end of next season. 2 year extension for me in the summer taking him to the end of 2018/19.
If he's here another 3 years the away support will be down to a couple of hundred die hards.
            Can't believe you want to watch this for the next 3 years because he's never going to change style wise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 13, 2016, 05:37:47 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on April 13, 2016, 05:27:10 PM
If he's here another 3 years the away support will be down to a couple of hundred die hards.
            Can't believe you want to watch this for the next 3 years because he's never going to change style wise.

Don't be silly! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Cornwallbaggie on April 13, 2016, 09:55:47 PM
Happily swap him for Benitez
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on April 13, 2016, 10:05:44 PM
Diego Simeone...just a poor man's TP  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on April 14, 2016, 02:12:13 AM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on April 13, 2016, 10:05:44 PM
Diego Simeone...just a poor man's TP  ;D

You ain't far wrong, bored barca to death. Chicken and egg. Pulls or Diego?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on April 14, 2016, 04:56:48 AM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on April 13, 2016, 05:27:10 PM
If he's here another 3 years the away support will be down to a couple of hundred die hards.
            Can't believe you want to watch this for the next 3 years because he's never going to change style wise.

If he is here for another three years then that would probably mean we have had 3 years of premiership football, new players, new owner(?) which may lead to a change in style. Longtime in football......look at vile.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on April 14, 2016, 01:35:53 PM
would he be tempted by newcastle if they go down?
could a rafa swap be on the cards? would you take benitez ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggyman68 on April 14, 2016, 03:28:18 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on April 13, 2016, 05:37:47 PM
Don't be silly! ;D
So you diehards put up with the likes of Buckley little and Gould but Pulis drives you away?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 14, 2016, 04:19:44 PM
some bloke said on WM last night that we should take banners up the ablbion showing our love for him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 14, 2016, 06:10:15 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 14, 2016, 04:19:44 PM
some bloke said on WM last night that we should take banners up the ablbion showing our love for him
are they allowed phones in asylums these days?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 14, 2016, 08:33:57 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on April 13, 2016, 05:27:10 PM
If he's here another 3 years the away support will be down to a couple of hundred die hards.
            Can't believe you want to watch this for the next 3 years because he's never going to change style wise.
Alternatively if he keeps us in the Prem for those 3 years and the other West Midlands clubs stay down then we'd attract more fans than ever...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on April 14, 2016, 08:36:15 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 14, 2016, 08:33:57 PM
Alternatively if he keeps us in the Prem for those 3 years and the other West Midlands clubs stay down then we'd attract more fans than ever...

The only fans we would attract in the next three years would be turn coats or tourists. It will take generations of being the top dog to see our support grow organically.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on April 14, 2016, 08:50:48 PM
Quote from: BB74 on April 14, 2016, 08:36:15 PM
The only fans we would attract in the next three years would be turn coats or tourists. It will take generations of being the top dog to see our support grow organically.

That or local ban on contraceptives?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 14, 2016, 10:05:09 PM
Quote from: BB74 on April 14, 2016, 08:36:15 PM
The only fans we would attract in the next three years would be turn coats or tourists. It will take generations of being the top dog to see our support grow organically.
Well it certainly will not grow if we start to mimic our neighbours?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendo on April 16, 2016, 12:42:08 PM
So TP just found out that we have the oldest squad in the football league. Most fans knew that. He then gives 2 golden oldies new deals. Then says we need young hungry talented players. Do we not bother with our own young players then ? When we have young players they don,t get much chance. Pulis as his favourites and if your face fits, you play, if not , you ain,t got much hope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 16, 2016, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: kendo on April 16, 2016, 12:42:08 PM
So TP just found out that we have the oldest squad in the football league. Most fans knew that. He then gives 2 golden oldies new deals. Then says we need young hungry talented players. Do we not bother with our own young players then ? When we have young players they don,t get much chance. Pulis as his favourites and if your face fits, you play, if not , you ain,t got much hope.

So Leko coming off the bench in the past two games isn't giving youth a chance? Tyler Roberts and Sam Field being in the squad that traveled to Man City isn't giving youth a chance?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 12:57:34 PM
Quote from: MarkW on April 16, 2016, 12:44:40 PM
So Leko coming off the bench in the past two games isn't giving youth a chance? Tyler Roberts and Sam Field being in the squad that traveled to Man City isn't giving youth a chance?

Pulis will never win with some people on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 16, 2016, 01:00:55 PM
Pulis has gone on record of saying that our academy set up is the best that he has been involved in and to be fair to him has included some kids in the squad when we've been safe. The real test is playing them when something is on the line my fear is that his conservatism will nearly always see him going with an experienced player albeit out of position but we will wait and see.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 16, 2016, 01:06:57 PM
Quote from: Standaman on April 16, 2016, 01:00:55 PM
Pulis has gone on record of saying that our academy set up is the best that he has been involved in and to be fair to him has included some kids in the squad when we've been safe. The real test is playing them when something is on the line my fear is that his conservatism will nearly always see him going with an experienced player albeit out of position but we will wait and see.   

Leko is 17, Roberts and Field are both 17. 1st team exposure is great for them at this age but sometimes they need to be kept back for their own good. Hopefully in the next season or two they'll get game time down the league system, but I wouldn't count on Pulis to have them in his plans as regular starters or even bench players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 16, 2016, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: MarkW on April 16, 2016, 12:44:40 PM
So Leko coming off the bench in the past two games isn't giving youth a chance?
How long was he on the pitch for in those games (I don't know the answer to this)?

Quote from: MarkW on April 16, 2016, 12:44:40 PM
Tyler Roberts and Sam Field being in the squad that traveled to Man City isn't giving youth a chance?
As they didn't play, no it isn't.

To properly give young players a chance, give them 30+ minutes in a run of games. We should be able to do this having reached a safe position. Will Pulis be willing to do that?

Don't we have any 18, 19 or 20 year-olds who are potentially good enough for the Prem?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 16, 2016, 01:53:38 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on April 16, 2016, 01:17:35 PM
How long was he on the pitch for in those games (I don't know the answer to this)?
As they didn't play, no it isn't.

To properly give young players a chance, give them 30+ minutes in a run of games. We should be able to do this having reached a safe position. Will Pulis be willing to do that?

Don't we have any 18, 19 or 20 year-olds who are potentially good enough for the Prem?

According the transfermarkt, Leko played 12 minutes and 10 minutes against Sunderland and man City respectively. I don't think that includes stoppage time though, so say 22 minutes as a minimum.

It's a fanciful idea to give three players 30 minutes+, even if we are safe. And then if we did, people would slate TP for not trying to finish as high as possible. I'm not saying the current system is perfect, and I sure would like to see more of our youth players in the match day squad, but I feel people have unrealistically high expectations.

Again, according to transfermarkt, this is our U21 squad:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/west-bromwich-albion-u21/kader/verein/29990/saison_id/2015

Shaun Donnelan went to the USA with the 1st team last year, and I've heard decent things about Callum Jones, though I can't say I've seen either play. You've also got Jack Rose out on loan at Crawley and Andre Wright at Torquay.

Leko, Roberts and Fields have all been playing against players easily 2 years older than them, if not more, so I think that speaks volumes for how good these three are. But they're still young lads, probably still growing, filling out, maturing.


As an exercise in showing the difference in age between Leko, Roberts and Field, I'll list a few players who I would consider good, young, English/British players who get reasonable game time:

Marcus Rashford (18, turning 19 this year)
Matt Targett (20, turning 21 this year)
James Ward-Prowse, (21, turning 22 this year)
Luke Garbutt (22, turning 23 this year)
Brendan Galloway (Turned 20 in March)
Calum Chambers (Turned 20 in January)
Cameron Borthwick-Jackson (Turned 19 this year)
Alex Iwobi (19, turning 20 this year)

That's just a handful, and I've tried not to cherry pick other than players who actually do play for their clubs. All three of the lads I mentioned are at least 1 year, in some cases 2, 3 or even 4 or 5 years younger than these so-called 'youngsters'.

We as fans need to be patient with the youth we have, and I'm grateful to Pulis for playing Leko as I've always hated how little we put our faith in our academy, but we can expect to go from 0 to 100 straight away. These players need to be eased in, not thrown in the deep end.

EDIT: An equally interesting way of looking at it is by looking at the players in the England U17 squad:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_national_under-17_football_team#Current_squad

Obviously I know Leko and Rahis Nabi but I couldn't tell you if any of the others played for the respective clubs' first team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 16, 2016, 02:02:50 PM
According to an article I saw couple of weeks ago, Leko is the 15th youngest debut in PL history. That is how young those three are.

EDIT: in addition Leko is the first pl player born in 1999.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 16, 2016, 04:56:55 PM
Thanks for the info, Mark W. I wasn't suggesting that all 3 should be played, just that whichever one gets on the pitch (and I don't think they will be very often, as proven today), needs a decent amount of time. 10 minutes here and there will make little difference IMO.

It's irritating to see that Pulis still didn't change the style of play today despite us now being safe, resulting in another mind-bogglingly awful performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on April 16, 2016, 05:05:17 PM
Reminds me of under Mel when the players did just enough to stay up then clearly didn't care for the rest of the season. I wonder how similar a situation we have here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:11:00 PM
I maintain this is a poor squad. Too many average players. Can't really blame Pulis for today at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 16, 2016, 05:11:20 PM
Quote from: Dan on April 16, 2016, 05:05:17 PM
Reminds me of under Mel when the players did just enough to stay up then clearly didn't care for the rest of the season. I wonder how similar a situation we have here.

A lot of money to play for still though. The difference between finishing 10th and 16th is worth a fair few million to us. Jeremy won't be happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on April 16, 2016, 05:16:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:11:00 PM
I maintain this is a poor squad. Too many average players. Can't really blame Pulis for today at all.

Pulis played a more attacking formation today than when we were grinding out 0-0's. The problem is, we haven't got enough creative players to play attacking football.  I don't think he knows how to play attacking football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 16, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:11:00 PM
I maintain this is a poor squad. Too many average players. Can't really blame Pulis for today at all.

Ok then. Two more years of Pulis and things will be no different.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 16, 2016, 05:17:20 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:11:00 PM
I maintain this is a poor squad. Too many average players. Can't really blame Pulis for today at all.

Do you even go to games?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:19:45 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on April 16, 2016, 05:17:20 PM
Do you even go to games?

Is this a joke 250 mile round trip and that's just the home games. We missed 2 penalties, we should have won, all Pulis has to say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 16, 2016, 05:21:19 PM
Get the replacement lined up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on April 16, 2016, 05:27:20 PM
The sooner he p*sses off to St James's the better for me 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 16, 2016, 05:30:46 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:19:45 PM
Is this a joke 250 mile round trip and that's just the home games. We missed 2 penalties, we should have won, all Pulis has to say.

Genuine question.

So are you happy with todays performance?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:33:14 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on April 16, 2016, 05:30:46 PM
Genuine question.

So are you happy with todays performance?

Not really. But I blame the players. Pulis can't pass or cross the ball for them. I'd have been happy with it if we'd scored the 2 penalties though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 16, 2016, 05:44:14 PM
Lets face it we have the 19th best squad in the division and we play the 20th most exciting football. We are safe due to set piece goals and parking the bus.

Simple as really. If we want to stay up without Pulis next season we have to seriously invest in this squad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 16, 2016, 05:48:25 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:33:14 PM
Not really. But I blame the players. Pulis can't pass or cross the ball for them. I'd have been happy with it if we'd scored the 2 penalties though.

Pulis sets the style, formation, tempo etc the sooner he leaves the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 16, 2016, 05:49:43 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:33:14 PM
Not really. But I blame the players. Pulis can't pass or cross the ball for them. I'd have been happy with it if we'd scored the 2 penalties though.

Nothing to do with how we set up?

No balance in the team? No quality in the team either.

We needed a goal, so we bring gardner on. Says it all really doesnt it.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
Quote from: Aztech on April 16, 2016, 05:48:25 PM
Pulis sets the style, formation, tempo etc the sooner he leaves the better.

He doesn't tell them to put in continually dreadful crosses from both sides of the pitch or pass the ball straight out of play.

Stick to your under 13s team mate. Pulis has forgotten more than you know about style formation and tempo.

Quote from: M666EYS on April 16, 2016, 05:49:43 PM
Nothing to do with how we set up?

No balance in the team? No quality in the team either.

We needed a goal, so we bring gardner on. Says it all really doesnt it.



Don't tell me, you'd have put the untried 16 year old on. He put Gardner on in the hope we might get a decent delivery from a setpieces.

There is no quality in the squad except on the treatment table. Again not Pulis' fault.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 16, 2016, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
He doesn't tell them to put in continually dreadful crosses from both sides of the pitch or pass the ball straight out of play.

Stick to your under 13s team mate. Pulis has forgotten more than you know about style formation and tempo.

Don't tell me, you'd have put the untried 16 year old on. He put Gardner on in the hope we might get a decent delivery from a setpieces.

There is no quality in the squad except on the treatment table. Again not Pulis' fault.

We are no better with Morrison or Brunt in the side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 16, 2016, 05:58:05 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
He doesn't tell them to put in continually dreadful crosses from both sides of the pitch or pass the ball straight out of play.

Stick to your under 13s team mate. Pulis has forgotten more than you know about style formation and tempo.

Don't tell me, you'd have put the untried 16 year old on. He put Gardner on in the hope we might get a decent delivery from a setpieces.

There is no quality in the squad except on the treatment table. Again not Pulis' fault.

You are obviously a well balanced individual with a chip on both shoulders!

Yet again as always you are wrong, under 18 not under 13. Perhaps one day you will get something correct.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 16, 2016, 06:00:58 PM
Just heard him being interviewed by bbc pat, Tony's, dilousional with his report on the game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on April 16, 2016, 06:02:32 PM
They cant pass to each other, they cant shoot straight they cant beat the first man from a corner and they cant take a free kick! so what the F!!K do they do in training all week?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 16, 2016, 06:04:22 PM
Quote from: albion59 on April 16, 2016, 06:02:32 PM
They cant pass to each other, they cant shoot straight they cant beat the first man from a corner and they cant take a free kick! so what the F!!K do they do in training all week?

Defensive shape. However what do I know. Then again Michael Owen wasn't to impressed either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 16, 2016, 06:05:47 PM
Two penalties and you lose the game, personally I don't think it was down to Pulis. It definitely wasn't his best managerial performance for us, neither his worse.

On another day Berahino scores one and it ends 1-1. It's not a classic but a lot of people aren't moaning and we move on. It was the second time in Premier League history that a keeper made two penalty saves.

I don't understand about lack of balance too. We played with 4 defenders, Dawson got forward and wingers. The only problems were Berahino and McClean who were awful.

I will criticise Pulis for his persistence with McClean though. We bought a championship player and sadly that is what we got, we suffered because of him today in attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 16, 2016, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: albion59 on April 16, 2016, 06:02:32 PM
They cant pass to each other, they cant shoot straight they cant beat the first man from a corner and they cant take a free kick! so what the F!!K do they do in training all week?

Been asking this question for a few years now, well before Pulis came along.

The odd corner we have scored from is in the minority, the rest have been awful, struggling to beat the first man regardless of who takes it.

We've lacked a free kick expert since God knows when with Clement probably being the last one and the passing has been awful for too long as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on April 16, 2016, 06:15:43 PM
Quote from: albion59 on April 16, 2016, 06:02:32 PM
They cant pass to each other, they cant shoot straight they cant beat the first man from a corner and they cant take a free kick! so what the F!!K do they do in training all week?
And that in a nutshell shows how bad this league is. To think a team as poor as ours managed to get 40 points is laughable really.

This group of players are shockingly short of quality yet look like staying up comfortably.

The players have no pace either to add to the list.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on April 16, 2016, 06:15:57 PM
Add on to my previous post we they cant take penalties either! i cant believe i forgot that one!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on April 16, 2016, 06:16:13 PM
 our best performance for some weeks was with the team that FINISHED last weeks game so please enlighten me as to why he changed back to what started. Sandro is far more mobile than Yacob,a third man in m/f gives us many more options but no back to 442 we go, ridiculous !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 16, 2016, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
He doesn't tell them to put in continually dreadful crosses from both sides of the pitch or pass the ball straight out of play.

Stick to your under 13s team mate. Pulis has forgotten more than you know about style formation and tempo.

Don't tell me, you'd have put the untried 16 year old on. He put Gardner on in the hope we might get a decent delivery from a setpieces.

There is no quality in the squad except on the treatment table. Again not Pulis' fault.


Why not bring him on? No point him being on the bench if he isnt going to be used. What did we have to lose?

Id of put leko on for yacob and pushed sess in behind front 2 with leko on right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on April 16, 2016, 06:16:37 PM
I thought he was planning on giving youth a chance now we are 'safe'? What's the point in bringing on Anichebe and Gardner when chances are they won't be here next season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on April 16, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 16, 2016, 06:05:47 PM
Two penalties and you lose the game, personally I don't think it was down to Pulis. It definitely wasn't his best managerial performance for us, neither his worse.

On another day Berahino scores one and it ends 1-1. It's not a classic but a lot of people aren't moaning and we move on. It was the second time in Premier League history that a keeper made two penalty saves.

I don't understand about lack of balance too. We played with 4 defenders, Dawson got forward and wingers. The only problems were Berahino and McClean who were awful.

I will criticise Pulis for his persistence with McClean though. We bought a championship player and sadly that is what we got, we suffered because of him today in attack.

There is not enough creativity in the team. Fletcher is probably our most in today's line up, but we need much more. You see the problem of not having proper full backs today. They can't get around defences and get in decent crosses. Dawson got some in which mainly ended up in Row Z and I can't remember Chester threatening even once. And remember this is supposedly when the shackles are off and we not supposed to be trying to park the bus with one loan striker. Having said that, I thought Rondon was fairly hopeless. Second to the ball and zero goal threat.
If Pulis is incapable of getting some creativity and quality into the team, we need to find someone who can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendo on April 16, 2016, 06:19:52 PM
Just heard Pulis interview on Sky. He says we played really well today. What planet is he on, or is it me who should be checked out. Never heard such rubbish. We were rubbish, like we are most weeks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 16, 2016, 06:23:26 PM
Quote from: alex1 on April 16, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
There is not enough creativity in the team. Fletcher is probably our most in today's line up, but we need much more. You see the problem of not having proper full backs today. They can't get around defences and get in decent crosses. Dawson got some in which mainly ended up in Row Z and I can't remember Chester threatening even once. And remember this is supposedly when the shackles are off and we not supposed to be trying to park the bus with one loan striker. Having said that, I thought Rondon was fairly hopeless. Second to the ball and zero goal threat.
If Pulis is incapable of getting some creativity and quality into the team, we need to find someone who can.
I agree but I felt Pulis was creative today, if you look at the stats, we had most possession, shots etc but got undone on a cheap corner. As I said, on another day it could have been very different if we took our chances.

Your point is true for lots of games this season like Sunderland, Norwich etc but today we were just unlucky.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on April 16, 2016, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: kendo on April 16, 2016, 06:19:52 PM
Just heard Pulis interview on Sky. He says we played really well today. What planet is he on, or is it me who should be checked out. Never heard such rubbish. We were rubbish, like we are most weeks.
If he thinks that is playing well i hate to think  what will happen next season, is he taking the Michael?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on April 16, 2016, 06:26:44 PM
I think Sandro was unlucky to be dropped. Better passer of a ball than yacob. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on April 16, 2016, 06:26:58 PM
played well when !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we couldn't pass , couldn,t win a header in the box bloke has not got a clue how the hell we have 40 points is beyond me . wheres that team that should of got a draw at man city ????
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 16, 2016, 06:32:24 PM
I thought we played ok against a good Watford side. If Berahino scores the penalties we win the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on April 16, 2016, 06:37:29 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
He doesn't tell them to put in continually dreadful crosses from both sides of the pitch or pass the ball straight out of play.

Stick to your under 13s team mate. Pulis has forgotten more than you know about style formation and tempo.

Don't tell me, you'd have put the untried 16 year old on. He put Gardner on in the hope we might get a decent delivery from a setpieces.

There is no quality in the squad except on the treatment table. Again not Pulis' fault.
What do  you mean not Pulis´´fault he s in charge of coaching, training, setting up for games etc and he signed or oversaw the majority of the signings on the pitch today particularly the starting xi it was probably his choice not to sign proper fullbacks that give the overlap option, he has to take a good part of the blame for the ineptitude that wasserved up today, the bloke really should be condemned to the history books the game has evolved / changed clearly he has not !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 16, 2016, 06:38:16 PM
Quote from: bartleygreen baggie on April 16, 2016, 06:16:37 PM
I thought he was planning on giving youth a chance now we are 'safe'? What's the point in bringing on Anichebe and Gardner when chances are they won't be here next season?

Can't see Gardner going anywhere
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 16, 2016, 06:42:53 PM
rubbish players with a rubbish manager, can't be helped.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 06:48:01 PM
Quote from: bartleygreen baggie on April 16, 2016, 06:16:37 PM
I thought he was planning on giving youth a chance now we are 'safe'? What's the point in bringing on Anichebe and Gardner when chances are they won't be here next season?
wouldn't bet against them being here next season, the way things are shaping up regarding retaining players who were out of contract soon I can see this poor squad kept together to deliver the same next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 06:52:17 PM
Quote from: bartleygreen baggie on April 16, 2016, 06:16:37 PM
I thought he was planning on giving youth a chance now we are 'safe'? What's the point in bringing on Anichebe and Gardner when chances are they won't be here next season?

Anichebe won't be offered a new deal. Gardner is not out of contract so unless the very unlikely scenario of someone else being willing to offer him a similar wage to us and paying us a fee for him then he's here next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 06:52:17 PM
Anichebe won't be offered a new deal. Gardner is not out of contract so unless the very unlikely scenario of someone else being willing to offer him a similar wage to us and paying us a fee for him then he's here next season.
I honestly would sooner have anichebe than lambert who must be one of the worst purchases we've ever made, who the flip pays £3m for a 34 year old striker who had spent the previous season doing sod all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 07:06:54 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 07:01:03 PM
I honestly would sooner have anichebe than lambert who must be one of the worst purchases we've ever made, who the **** pays £3m for a 34 year old striker who had spent the previous season doing sod all.

I was wary of Lambert as I had seen most of his Liverpool appearances, but I would guess the majority were happy with the business based on twitter/dotcom reactions at the time. It is a shame he wasn't on a 1 plus 1 deal rather than a 2 year deal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on April 16, 2016, 07:11:00 PM
Quote from: kendo on April 16, 2016, 06:19:52 PM
Just heard Pulis interview on Sky. He says we played really well today. What planet is he on, or is it me who should be checked out. Never heard such rubbish. We were rubbish, like we are most weeks.
we weren't rubbish, we controlled the game and in my view we were 'Albioned'!!

Pulls needs to add more Fletchers, Fosters and Evans' (i.e. proven, consistent prem players) and stop messing around wth bargain basement flops and foreign flops.

I found it as frustrating today as anyone else, but thought we were a little unlucky and didn't deserve to lose.

Oh well, it could be worse............
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 07:16:50 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 07:06:54 PM
I was wary of Lambert as I had seen most of his Liverpool appearances, but I would guess the majority were happy with the business based on twitter/dotcom reactions at the time. It is a shame he wasn't on a 1 plus 1 deal rather than a 2 year deal.
so we could be after three strikers for next season.
Anichibe should be released
Lambert who will be no use to us
Saido  who most probably will leave.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 07:20:40 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 07:16:50 PM
so we could be after three strikers for next season.
Anichibe should be released
Lambert who will be no use to us
Saido  who most probably will leave.

Well Lambert will still be here and Roberts will be a year older so I expect we'll only sign 2 strikers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on April 16, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: alwaysbilly on April 16, 2016, 07:11:00 PM
we weren't rubbish, we controlled the game and in my view we were 'Albioned'!!

Pulls needs to add more Fletchers, Fosters and Evans' (i.e. proven, consistent prem players) and stop messing around wth bargain basement flops and foreign flops.

I found it as frustrating today as anyone else, but thought we were a little unlucky and didn't deserve to lose.

Oh well, it could be worse............

At last a sensible post. I said this to the guy next to me, Watford did to us what we do or try and do away from home. Some of the nonsense written on here from some Albion fans is breath taking. Worst game ever etc... I do sometimes wonder how many of these we have inherited since we went up. Yes today was not great and it's clear we need a big investment in attacking players but I'm really losing it with some of our so called fans. I even heard one say on the way out, he missed on purpose. Does anyone really think saido or any pro players would do that. As for pulis, can anyone really tell me another manager who would have kept this squad up and at the same time playing so called attractive football. Wake up people we don't have the players at this level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 16, 2016, 07:30:45 PM
Quote from: Topman on April 16, 2016, 07:28:48 PM


And whos in charge of getting those players in?

Whos wasted majority of 30m?

Open your eyes
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on April 16, 2016, 07:36:25 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on April 16, 2016, 07:30:45 PM
And whos in charge of getting those players in?

Whos wasted majority of 30m?

Open your eyes

So out of the 30 million spent 18 was spent on Evans and rondon, do you class these a waste of money then?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 16, 2016, 07:44:20 PM
Quote from: Topman on April 16, 2016, 07:36:25 PM
So out of the 30 million spent 18 was spent on Evans and rondon, do you class these a waste of money then?

I still don't rate Rondon personally. A lot of huff and puff and scored a few tap ins but lacks the pace and quality we need IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on April 16, 2016, 07:51:26 PM
Quote from: Topman on April 16, 2016, 07:36:25 PM
So out of the 30 million spent 18 was spent on Evans and rondon, do you class these a waste of money then?

Rondons nowhere near good enough for what we need. An improvement on Ideye but still not good enough. I'd say Evans is the only summer signing that has been money well spent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on April 16, 2016, 07:52:00 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 07:16:50 PM
so we could be after three strikers for next season.
Anichibe should be released
Lambert who will be no use to us
Saido  who most probably will leave.

And Rondon who isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 16, 2016, 07:58:10 PM
Some probably thought Vardy and Mahrez weren't good enough before this season. Give Rondon another season before writing him off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on April 16, 2016, 07:58:45 PM
Pulis said that the keeper made a great save from Berahino for the 2nd penalty, what I have seen harder hit back passes, he said also that all great strikers miss penalties, what two in one match, did Shearer ever do that! Truth is Berahino is not a great striker and never will be. I don't know where Pulis gets such rubbish from.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 16, 2016, 08:01:46 PM
Can anyone honestly say they have had fun this season watching  the Albion? Apart from a few p*ssups.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 08:03:17 PM
Quote from: Mo on April 16, 2016, 07:52:00 PM
And Rondon who isn't good enough.
think Rondons like the team, one good performance  every 4/5 matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 16, 2016, 08:06:13 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 08:03:17 PM
think Rondons like the team, one good performance  every 4/5 matches.

Which keeps tony pulis his job
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 16, 2016, 08:26:31 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on April 16, 2016, 08:06:13 PM
Which keeps tony pulis his job

Got to wonder whether Pulis is giving the impression that it's job done now we've reached 40points? On 9 out of 10 days that would've been a 1-1 draw in spite of s poor performance overall.

 Like many other underwhelming performances at home this year, we've needed more width , an energetic,  creative centre midfielder,  better movement up front and full backs who could get forward. We really need to invest in the squad or else this is (the best of) our lot.

 Anyone who is honestly happy watching this tripe regularly must be a bit twisted !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on April 16, 2016, 08:44:01 PM
When will it be the end for pulis? its getting a joke now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 16, 2016, 09:05:37 PM
God only knows what the plan was today that he sent them out to follow, but its clear that when it don't work he doesn't have much idea about how to change it and admittedly much of this is compounded by our poor bench with no real game changers to bring on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on April 16, 2016, 09:15:49 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on April 16, 2016, 09:05:37 PM
God only knows what the plan was today that he sent them out to follow, but its clear that when it don't work he doesn't have much idea about how to change it and admittedly much of this is compounded by our poor bench with no real game changers to bring on.
The problem is when we come up against an away side pretty much set up how we are we don't have the know how to break them down granted we got a couple of pens today but it was largely huff and puff . This has to be addressed in the summer .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 09:19:26 PM
Quote from: darbolina on April 16, 2016, 08:26:31 PM
Got to wonder whether Pulis is giving the impression that it's job done now we've reached 40points? On 9 out of 10 days that would've been a 1-1 draw in spite of s poor performance overall.

 Like many other underwhelming performances at home this year, we've needed more width , an energetic,  creative centre midfielder,  better movement up front and full backs who could get forward. We really need to invest in the squad or else this is (the best of) our lot.

 Anyone who is honestly happy watching this tripe regularly must be a bit twisted !!
its been the case for 18 months especially the creative midfielder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 16, 2016, 09:23:02 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 09:19:26 PM
its been the case for 18 months especially the creative midfielder.
Which is obviously Pulis fault..... :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 16, 2016, 09:36:09 PM
Watford supporters at new street I heard them say we are the worst team they have seen at their place and on their travels, yes we are at times an embarrassment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 09:43:35 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 16, 2016, 09:36:09 PM
Watford supporters at new street I heard them say we are the worst team they have seen at their place and on their travels, yes we are at times an embarrassment
ay they played relegated villa yet. :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 16, 2016, 09:48:32 PM
Under Alan Irvine we had to intervene and remove/ edit childish comments such as the A F I one, so do not think that we will accept any such comments aimed at Pulis or anyone else. If you cannot post without using childish comments then either do not bother posting or please go elsewhere as it is not wanted on this site.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 16, 2016, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: Mo on April 16, 2016, 09:15:49 PM
The problem is when we come up against an away side pretty much set up how we are we don't have the know how to break them down granted we got a couple of pens today but it was largely huff and puff . This has to be addressed in the summer .
So true we cant break down teams like us most times they beat us its the better teams we do well against thats not good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 16, 2016, 10:45:23 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on April 16, 2016, 09:23:02 PM
Which is obviously Pulis fault..... :o

Well you cant say he isnt responsible for it. Hes been here for 18 months, had three transfer windows, brought in attacking midfielders and then not played them. Why sign Pritchard?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: frazzle on April 16, 2016, 10:45:23 PM
Well you cant say he isnt responsible for it. Hes been here for 18 months, had three transfer windows, brought in attacking midfielders and then not played them. Why sign Pritchard?

Back-up to Gardner/Sessegnon while Morrison was injured.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on April 16, 2016, 10:51:45 PM
If Moyes wants the job then I think you get rid of Pulis, his pragmatic approach still means we probably won't go down and it will be better viewing than what we currently get. Let's not kid ourselves the utter tripe that has been served up this season far outweighs the good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 16, 2016, 10:54:19 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 16, 2016, 09:36:09 PM
Watford supporters at new street I heard them say we are the worst team they have seen at their place and on their travels, yes we are at times an embarrassment

That's nonsense...

At their place we drew 0-0 and (again!) if it wasn't for awful finishing by Berahino we'd have won.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on April 16, 2016, 10:59:27 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 16, 2016, 10:54:19 PM
That's nonsense...

At their place we drew 0-0 and (again!) if it wasn't for awful finishing by Berahino we'd have won.


Don't kid yourself mate, their 64% possession and 18 shots to our 36% and 6 shots 0 on target. I was at that game and we were absolutely anemic going forward, yes Saido (again) missed a sitter but we were comfortably second best that day and should have been beat. Another game of utter tripe under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 16, 2016, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: baggies_24 on April 16, 2016, 10:59:27 PM
Don't kid yourself mate, their 64% possession and 18 shots to our 36% and 6 shots 0 on target. I was at that game and we were absolutely anemic going forward, yes Saido (again) missed a sitter but we were comfortably second best that day and should have been beat. Another game of utter tripe under Pulis.
I'm not kidding. I remember the game very well.

Their shots were all half-chances at best, mostly from well out the area. Our chances (Berahino and McAuley header (A free header before half-time) were easy, easy chances.

I would much rather have two 9/10 chances than 10 3/10 chances to score a goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 11:06:14 PM
Quote from: baggies_24 on April 16, 2016, 10:51:45 PM
If Moyes wants the job then I think you get rid of Pulis, his pragmatic approach still means we probably won't go down and it will be better viewing than what we currently get. Let's not kid ourselves the utter tripe that has been served up this season far outweighs the good.

Moyes football is no better than Pulis football.

My favourite managers since I've been going up are Ossie Ardiles and Tony Mowbray. I've been quite vehement in my support for Pulis because after seeing these players under Clarke, Mel, Irvine AND Pulis they are NOT good enough. For us to play decent football we need 6 or 7 new players including the entire midfield and a number 10... He's working miracles with this squad. IF he doesn't address the forward thinking players in the summer (the only window we do anything in) then I will have to rethink my position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 16, 2016, 11:18:53 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 11:06:14 PM
Moyes football is no better than Pulis football.

My favourite managers since I've been going up are Ossie Ardiles and Tony Mowbray. I've been quite vehement in my support for Pulis because after seeing these players under Clarke, Mel, Irvine AND Pulis they are NOT good enough. For us to play decent football we need 6 or 7 new players including the entire midfield and a number 10... He's working miracles with this squad. IF he doesn't address the forward thinking players in the summer (the only window we do anything in) then I will have to rethink my position.

I agree with what you say. Can anyone explain why we haven't bought these players we need in the transfer windows under pulls?  Despite spending more then we ever have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on April 16, 2016, 11:25:15 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 11:06:14 PM
Moyes football is no better than Pulis football.

My favourite managers since I've been going up are Ossie Ardiles and Tony Mowbray. I've been quite vehement in my support for Pulis because after seeing these players under Clarke, Mel, Irvine AND Pulis they are NOT good enough. For us to play decent football we need 6 or 7 new players including the entire midfield and a number 10... He's working miracles with this squad. IF he doesn't address the forward thinking players in the summer (the only window we do anything in) then I will have to rethink my position.

I do agree with you that the players aren't good enough at the moment. People like Gardner, Olsson, Lambert, McClean are championship players. I genuinely don't mind a pragmatic approach to football it worked under Hodgeson and Clarke (for one season) I see Moyes as been far much in the mould of Roy but Pulis takes pragmatic football to a new level. In 21% of games this season we've failed to register a shot on target. For a supposedly professional team playing at the highest level in the world that's an utter joke, some of that falls on the players but Pulis must also take a large proportion of the blame.

I don't think Pulis is a bad manager it's a testimont that he's got this squad to 40 points however you can't say the displays against Palace, Newcastle, Villa, Sunderland, Norwich and today have been without doubt beyond some of the worst football I have ever watched. I'm not saying we revert back back to Tony Mowbray champagne football but I'd honestly say we play a worse style now than Stoke ever used to play under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on April 16, 2016, 11:52:05 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 16, 2016, 11:18:53 PM
I agree with what you say. Can anyone explain why we haven't bought these players we need in the transfer windows under pulls?  Despite spending more then we ever have.

Yes we spent more money than ever before but there has been a massive inflation in prices. Look at the going rate for championship players. Also we rarely do business in January and Pulis couldn't get in all the players he wanted last summer due to the Saido saga. The time to judge him will be next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 17, 2016, 12:06:01 AM
I don't know how anyone looking at that could not be impressed with the tactical genius that is Tony Pulis. We put 40 crosses into their box without laying a glove on them but we had a couple of quick passing movements one of which resulted in a penalty. Ok not TP's fault that Saido lashed it up but maybe just maybe passing and moving opens up a deep sitting block which is what generally works against us maybe we could try it a bit and see what happens or we could just keep lumping the ball into the box and see how that goes. If we do persist in lumping (sorry crossing) the ball into the box can we at least try to do it with full backs that are specialist in that positions rather than with converted Centre Halves. 

I hope we don't extend his contract give him another season if we absolutely must but much more than that will be a slow death for this football club.   

   

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 17, 2016, 12:13:59 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 11:06:14 PM
Moyes football is no better than Pulis football.

My favourite managers since I've been going up are Ossie Ardiles and Tony Mowbray. I've been quite vehement in my support for Pulis because after seeing these players under Clarke, Mel, Irvine AND Pulis they are NOT good enough. For us to play decent football we need 6 or 7 new players including the entire midfield and a number 10... He's working miracles with this squad. IF he doesn't address the forward thinking players in the summer (the only window we do anything in) then I will have to rethink my position.
Agree with all this and IF he gets the players he wants the time to judge him will be November onwards , as much as i feel Jacko is bang on about our players ( even the loved ones) i worry Pulis will still play the rigid , boring football (imo)we saw again Today especially against lesser sides.
I've always been on the fence with TP , hitting 40 points again is massive but i felt like I'd had enough of his tactics walking from the ground Today in all honesty .
Imo  he does deserve the chance to change things but it won't be productive signing better players but still setting up like we do which is what i fear will happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 17, 2016, 12:15:20 AM
Quote from: Standaman on April 17, 2016, 12:06:01 AM
I don't know how anyone looking at that could not be impressed with the tactical genius that is Tony Pulis. We put 40 crosses into their box without laying a glove on them but we had a couple of quick passing movements one of which resulted in a penalty. Ok not TP's fault that Saido lashed it up but maybe just maybe passing and moving opens up a deep sitting block which is what generally works against us maybe we could try it a bit and see what happens or we could just keep lumping the ball into the box and see how that goes. If we do persist in lumping (sorry crossing) the ball into the box can we at least try to do it with full backs that are specialist in that positions rather than with converted Centre Halves. 

I hope we don't extend his contract give him another season if we absolutely must but much more than that will be a slow death for this football club.   

 

Stan, I know you aren't happy with what is being served up, but the vast majority of those crosses were well worked moves in behind the fullback resulting in a combination of Chester McClean Dawson and Sessegnon putting in some absolutely appalling balls. The setpieces of both McClean, Sessegnon and Evans  ??? were abysmal. The players are not good enough, and I find it hard to believe that such an analytical poster as yourself thinks Pulis is the problem rather than the personnel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 17, 2016, 12:20:41 AM
There are arguments for retaining him because some believe he is guaranteed to keep us up and there are few managers around that can do that but I'm not so sure.

Does anyone think the football will improve with him in charge next season with all the extra money coming in? I have my doubts. I think the same dull style of play will continue. He still won't play Pritchard when games are crying out for some creativity and support for the front players.

The club also seems to be afflicted with staleness with a reluctance to move long-term or ordinary players on to make way for something better.

I feel sure that season ticket sales will be down for 2016/17. Fans want to see some entertainment offered for the money they pay and not be bored stiff.   

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 17, 2016, 12:28:07 AM
Quote from: Dexy on April 17, 2016, 12:13:59 AM
Agree with all this and IF he gets the players he wants the time to judge him will be November onwards , as much as i feel Jacko is bang on about our players ( even the loved ones) i worry Pulis will still play the rigid , boring football (imo)we saw again Today especially against lesser sides.
I've always been on the fence with TP , hitting 40 points again is massive but i felt like I'd had enough of his tactics walking from the ground Today in all honesty .
Imo  he does deserve the chance to change things but it won't be productive signing better players but still setting up like we do which is what i fear will happen.

I'd go further than that and will be asking if the wide positions and the number 10 (at the very least) aren't addressed then why not. Pulis has autonomy over transfers, the buck stops with him, I empathise with why he sorted out the defence in his 1st summer window it's in his nature, If Chester had cost £4 million nobody would be bothered but he will have no excuse after this next window. I suspect if we are lining up with Gardner and McClean out wide next season he will go the way of Irvine with the fans, myself included.

Quote from: bangkokbaggie on April 17, 2016, 12:20:41 AM
There are arguments for retaining him because some believe he is guaranteed to keep us up and there are few managers around that can do that but I'm not so sure.

Does anyone think the football will improve with him in charge next season with all the extra money coming in? I have my doubts. I think the same dull style of play will continue. He still won't play Pritchard when games are crying out for some creativity and support for the front players.

The club also seems to be afflicted with staleness with a reluctance to move long-term or ordinary players on to make way for something better.

I feel sure that season ticket sales will be down for 2016/17. Fans want to see some entertainment offered for the money they pay and not be bored stiff.   



It has to get better next season because if it doesn't he will actually lose the fans. Pritchard was only ever back-up for Sessegnon while Morrison was injured and I've no problem that now we're safe he's using Leko on the bench instead of him.

I sympathise with the club re. the contract renewals, Ideally you'd keep Dawson, McAuley and Morrison and let the other two go but if he wants to concentrate on getting in 3 or 4 quality players in midfield/attack then Olsson probably needs to be re-signed.

If the likes of the Pocognoli, Gamboa, Lambert and Gardner were out of contract he'd let them go, but they're not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 17, 2016, 08:10:03 AM
Again i agree with Jacko except on Gardner  , Pulis would keep him i suspect even if we signed 4 or 5 quality players. Not a dig at Gardner but he does seem to be a Pulis favourite  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on April 17, 2016, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: Dexy on April 17, 2016, 08:10:03 AM
Again i agree with Jacko except on Gardner  , Pulis would keep him i suspect even if we signed 4 or 5 quality players. Not a dig at Gardner but he does seem to be a Pulis favourite  ;D

I think Gardner's more than decent as squad back-up.
His set pieces have been on a par with Brunt's this season as we saw when he came on yesterday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on April 17, 2016, 09:11:29 AM
Gardner has been a 'favourite' of nearly all managers he has played under and Roy wanted him here.  Sometimes as football fans we need to realise that players like Gardner fulfil a role and are happy to do so where others sulk and moan.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 17, 2016, 09:15:10 AM
So with five games to go we sit on 40 points, having finished on 44 last season. Given the difficult run we now face, are we confident on beating last years tally? If we don't hit a minimum of 45, given the amount of investment in the last 12 months, should this be considered regression and a failure?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 17, 2016, 09:22:25 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 17, 2016, 09:15:10 AM
So with five games to go we sit on 40 points, having finished on 44 last season. Given the difficult run we now face, are we confident on beating last years tally? If we don't hit a minimum of 45, given the amount of investment in the last 12 months, should this be considered regression and a failure?

I think even the most pro puliser would be hard pushed to argue there has been too much positive progression throughout this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 17, 2016, 09:30:36 AM
With forty point tone in charge this will be what we get for the forcible future, the only positive I can take from this season is that JP has taken control of transfer targets from pulls and his scatter gun approach
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on April 17, 2016, 09:31:11 AM
The near empty stands with 5 mins left should tell them all they need to know .

People are going to stick 2 fingers up and walk away from this .

 I heard arguments between grown men about the style of play as children walked by their side . Therein lies the concern . Those children are the future of the club if their parents decide not to go and the negativity nudges those children to do something else getting them back will be very difficult .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 17, 2016, 09:32:39 AM
Quote from: Dudleylad on April 17, 2016, 09:11:29 AM
Gardner has been a 'favourite' of nearly all managers he has played under and Roy wanted him here.  Sometimes as football fans we need to realise that players like Gardner fulfil a role and are happy to do so where others sulk and moan.

Gardner is a squad player at very best. Seems to be Tonys love child.

When you need a goal you do not bring Gardner on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 17, 2016, 09:57:19 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 17, 2016, 12:28:07 AM
I'd go further than that and will be asking if the wide positions and the number 10 (at the very least) aren't addressed then why not. Pulis has autonomy over transfers, the buck stops with him, I empathise with why he sorted out the defence in his 1st summer window it's in his nature, If Chester had cost £4 million nobody would be bothered but he will have no excuse after this next window. I suspect if we are lining up with Gardner and McClean out wide next season he will go the way of Irvine with the fans, myself included.

It has to get better next season because if it doesn't he will actually lose the fans. Pritchard was only ever back-up for Sessegnon while Morrison was injured and I've no problem that now we're safe he's using Leko on the bench instead of him.

I sympathise with the club re. the contract renewals, Ideally you'd keep Dawson, McAuley and Morrison and let the other two go but if he wants to concentrate on getting in 3 or 4 quality players in midfield/attack then Olsson probably needs to be re-signed.

If the likes of the Pocognoli, Gamboa, Lambert and Gardner were out of contract he'd let them go, but they're not.

I think this basically is the crux of the matter. I don't believe the current squad is as terrible as is it is sometimes portrayed that it is not to say it's without it's flaws. As discussed elsewhere you could make a case for turning over anything up to 12 players this summer but that comes with a real risk of the whole thing not gelling like the Villa or Newcastle. I can buy into the notion that 4 or 5 quality additions could make a real difference. However I am not convinced the style will ever change significantly.

Going back to the style of putting crosses into the box I concede the quality of the cross makes a difference but lets face it Stoke put lots of crosses into the box and they had Crouch in the box. Palace had good wingers and no doubt put lots of crosses into the box, however neither were noted as high scoring outfits. In fact they were among the lowest scorers in the league. Maybe if crosses into the box are the sole threat it isn't much of a threat and that is a tactical decision.

If another manager was in the same position of setting up a limited squad to grind out results then I would be more sanguine I would buy into the narrative of give him time a few more players but let's face it Pulis only ever operates the way he is operating with us. It does what it says on the tin and it won't do anything else regardless of how much money is thrown at it. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 17, 2016, 10:55:34 AM
A few of you moan about wanting more possession and more shots on goal. You finally get more possession and more shots and you're still not happy  ;)

Jacko's posts look spot on from where I sit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 17, 2016, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 17, 2016, 10:55:34 AM
A few of you moan about wanting more possession and more shots on goal. You finally get more possession and more shots and you're still not happy  ;)

Jacko's posts look spot on from where I sit.

Worry about your own team.

You must lead a sad life following Tony Pulis around like a lost sheep.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Cleobury_WBA on April 17, 2016, 11:24:30 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 17, 2016, 10:55:34 AM
A few of you moan about wanting more possession and more shots on goal. You finally get more possession and more shots and you're still not happy  ;)

Jacko's posts look spot on from where I sit.

Agreed. Can't blame Pulis for yesterday. The players lack quality, out wide and upfront. The defence was solid bar the switch-off for their goal. We dominated possession and chances created, although I thought Watford played well. If we score the first penalty I think we go on to win. Then after the first miss, if we score the second penalty we salvage a point. Can't blame Pulis for that. We just need to sign some better players in summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 17, 2016, 11:27:20 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 17, 2016, 10:55:34 AM
Jacko's posts look spot on from where I sit.

In Tony's love nest?  ;D

I said under Irvine that we hadn't replaced Odemwhingy or Lukaku and that there was always going to be a problem going forward. This problem remains under Pulis but the difference is that previous coaches have made the effort to try and remedy the problem (without particular success). Pulis, to his credit, plays a different game and is happy with just playing to the defensive strengths and has a number of people seemingly happy with this approach (who no doubt argued that Irvine/Clarke were too negative historically). Historically, he has never been relegated. Historically he has a record of playing a style of football that is awful to watch.

4 shots on target, 2 of which were penalties.  :o


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 12:01:21 PM
anyone who thinks we played well yesterday need to re-evaluate what a good performance is.

we played rubbish, completely inept at creating anything.

i've heard several journalists say the same thing too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 17, 2016, 12:43:15 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 12:01:21 PM
anyone who thinks we played well yesterday need to re-evaluate what a good performance is.
This is the very sad thing............we all now expect, and in some quarters, accept that this is now the norm for West Bromwich Albion for the foreseeable future.
Such a sad a thing to have to contemplate  :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 17, 2016, 12:54:44 PM
Do you trust pulis with a wad of cash in the summer, I am not so sure. As for moyes he's pulis part two
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 17, 2016, 01:11:41 PM
Knew exactly what was coming yesterday, as I know what is coming most weeks under Pulis.

I just cannot bear to watch it anymore. For me he has to go in the summer, he is not going to sign any creative players in the summer because he did not sign any last summer when he spent a wedge and we ended up with a squad that was no better and a defence full of centre backs, so you cannot give him £15m-£20m to spend.

If we want to progress as a club, with the money around currently, now is the time, and it will not happen under him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 17, 2016, 01:19:22 PM
What sort of player do people think we can get to come here with TP in charge?

No creative, "flair" will want to play for him knowing his style which leaves us with the rest.

Plodders who work 'ard. Well done Albion, you have become the most unfashionable team in football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 01:24:20 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on April 17, 2016, 12:43:15 PM
This is the very sad thing............we all now expect, and in some quarters, accept that this is now the norm for West Bromwich Albion for the foreseeable future.
Such a sad a thing to have to contemplate  :(

This is the sad thing. For most other premier league clubs that would've been considered a poor performance. possession doesn't = good performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on April 17, 2016, 01:24:55 PM
With just 1 point out of the last 12, away games at Arsenal and Spurs coming up, and then West Ham, Bournemouth and Liverpool, we could well end up with just 2 or 3 points out of 27 to finish the season.

That would be rock bottom relegation form, whichever way you dress it up.

Time to part company unless there is a full and absolute commitment to overhaul the midfield and attack.   If we don't change things then we are heading to the Championship next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 01:35:44 PM
I will give Pulis one more season but having been wishing for the end of the season to come along for three seasons in a row now i wont accept the same next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 17, 2016, 01:38:44 PM
My money is still on him falling out with JP in the close season over funds and him walking which will please 50% of the supporters
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 17, 2016, 01:41:37 PM
This season will live long in the memory of the underdogs having a gew.

What impact did Albion have on this memorable season, what will we be remembered for?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 17, 2016, 01:41:56 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 01:35:44 PM
I will give Pulis one more season but having been wishing for the end of the season to come along for three seasons in a row now i wont accept the same next season.
you're in for a long season then, i said when Pulis came that this is about the best he can do no matter the team. not a negative or positive but a historical opinion based on his previous work. now we'll spend lots of money and be exactly the same next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 17, 2016, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 17, 2016, 01:41:37 PM
This season will live long in the memory of the underdogs having a gew.

What impact did Albion have on this memorable season, what will we be remembered for?
we played Leicester twice?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 17, 2016, 01:43:45 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on April 17, 2016, 01:42:41 PM
we played Leicester twice?

rubbish ay it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 17, 2016, 01:47:18 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on April 17, 2016, 01:41:56 PM
you're in for a long season then, i said when Pulis came that this is about the best he can do no matter the team. not a negative or positive but a historical opinion based on his previous work. now we'll spend lots of money and be exactly the same next season.


I agree nothing will change next season, he will keep us up having spent most likely 30 plus million
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 02:04:14 PM
You look at what Bilic, Koeman, Pochettino (Southampton), Rodgers (Swansea), Laudrup, Ranieri, Hughes (Stoke) have done with there teams. Well safe, pushing up the leagues playing good football.

I won't accept that this is the best we can do. With some attacking signings next season i expect Pulis to push on like the above managers did. If he fails to do that then we should get someone in who can achieve that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 17, 2016, 02:13:26 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 02:04:14 PM
You look at what Bilic, Koeman, Pochettino (Southampton), Rodgers (Swansea), Laudrup, Ranieri, Hughes (Stoke) have done with there teams. Well safe, pushing up the leagues playing good football.

I won't accept that this is the best we can do. With some attacking signings next season i expect Pulis to push on like the above managers did. If he fails to do that then we should get someone in who can achieve that.

Surely this was the season for him to do that? Bilic, Koeman, Poch all do it in their first season, after 18 months of Pulis nothing is improving, it only seems to be getting worse.

West Ham are the prime example, they could have persisted with big Sam knowing he would 'keep them safe' but they decide that they should not set that as the ceiling, bring in Bilic, back him in the transfer market and low and behold they are top six.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 02:17:54 PM
Those squads have/had arguably better squads than us though. We literally have no pace or attackers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 17, 2016, 02:18:17 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 02:04:14 PM
You look at what Bilic, Koeman, Pochettino (Southampton), Rodgers (Swansea), Laudrup, Ranieri, Hughes (Stoke) have done with there teams. Well safe, pushing up the leagues playing good football.

I won't accept that this is the best we can do. With some attacking signings next season i expect Pulis to push on like the above managers did. If he fails to do that then we should get someone in who can achieve that.

The problem is that quite frankly I don't think he is capable of of changing so either we accept another season like the present one and alienating more fans or we replace him. JP will have some serious thinking to do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 17, 2016, 02:31:37 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 02:17:54 PM
Those squads have/had arguably better squads than us though. We literally have no pace or attackers.

No ones fault but the man in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 17, 2016, 03:19:01 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 17, 2016, 02:31:37 PM
No ones fault but the man in charge.
exactly..: 3 Windows 11 players and 40 million and still the problems persist.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 03:31:10 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on April 17, 2016, 03:19:01 PM
exactly..: 3 Windows 11 players and 40 million and still the problems persist.

I'm not trying to play devils advocate, i really am anti-Pulis. Think he talks nonsense and the performances this season have been unacceptable, but....2 of those were January transfer windows when Peace won't open the chequebook. Last summer we wasted a bit of money in some respect but Pulis was always going to focus on trying to sort the defense first. Which he sort of has barring the odd individual mistake.

This summer i expect midfielders and wingers and strikers and the performances to drastically improve.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 03:33:22 PM
Pulisball isnt any different to Ranieri etc it is just less effective. If he signs the right players this summer, he can turn us into an effective counter attacking team. I'd be happy with this. Dross signings and dross football after this summer will not be tolerated in my eyes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 17, 2016, 04:19:28 PM
I don't want him here but I would probably settle for him next year. Its a big rebuilding job and providing he can assemble a good core group it should leave our next head coach with a pretty solid spine. If the transfer window is cocked up, I have faith in Pulis guiding us to survival more than anybody else given his track record. And judging by our transfer record recently I'm heading towards the side of caution.

It has to change next season though otherwise the fans won't be so forgiving. He needs to go out in the summer and buy two wingers who can actually cross the ball and also a combative midfielder who can do a bit more than merely break up play. The current two wingers are not offering enough and he clearly does not have any faith in McMannaman and Pritchard. He will also need a striker too as no doubt Berahino will be off.

I trust Pulis to build a solid spine featuring Foster, Evans, Fletcher & Rondon but we need new additions to supplement those.

I would also like us to be a bit more ambitious but that is misguided optimism when you look at how his career at Stoke and Palace played out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 17, 2016, 04:21:47 PM
A tall order when a new head coach comes in trying to rectify the football we all crave and to think hes most likely got another two windows to bring in a few more of his style types
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 17, 2016, 04:22:57 PM
And to pick up the point regarding our crossing. Somebody highlighted Dawson and Chester as poor crossers of the ball. Well, that is because they are probably centre halves being forced out of position and the one footed Chester looks uncomfortable crossing the half way line on his wrong side. Then we have McClean who is just a severely limited footballer and then the maverick Sessegnon who I'm sure only features because Pulis knows how much this squad is lacking in pace and guile.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on April 17, 2016, 04:32:29 PM
finally the last 2 games tp plays probably on paper our best starting line up[bar Morrison injury,and proper fullbacks never played who ever they are],and the quality of the football is still rubbish,apart from fletcher and evans who where gimee signings,the rest have been poor,i wouldn't trust him in the transfer market,we have no pace apart from sess who is always double marked and his supporting fullback miles away from him,the coaching is rubbish in every aspect apart from how to park 11 men and not let the other team score,jeremy thank him for his services and let him go
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 17, 2016, 04:34:19 PM
How people can absolve Pulis of blame for yesterday, or even claim that it was a good performance, is beyond me.

We had a left back who was unable to use his left foot, so had to cut inside whenever he received the ball. Our crosses were aimed into the box with no thought as to who they were meant to hit, there were no pre-planned training ground moves. We couldn't play simple five-yard passes, and pretty much every single header went straight to one of their players. We have taken our one creative outlet (Sessegnon) and stifled the life out of him.

This is all on Pulis' head. This is his team, like it or not, and this is how they will play.

And Albion fans are giving up on it.

I have left the ground after defeats before annoyed, angry, frustrated, ready to kick the cat when I got in; yesterday I felt nothing. This is Pulis. This is the quest for 40 points. This is apathy and being an also-ran, and that's the sum total of the clubs ambitions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on April 17, 2016, 04:36:22 PM
Looks like we will be stuck with him for another season!. Like the advert says 'Does what it says on the tin'. It will be effective but not pretty. Kudos to everyone who pay their hard earned cash to witness it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ryanrowe on April 17, 2016, 04:39:25 PM
Regardless of what happens in the last few games Pulis has to go. He's came as far as he could with this team - fair enough we can settle for prem football every year, but we won't do any better. If it's progress you're looking for we just won't get it while he's here
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on April 17, 2016, 04:43:24 PM
I say give him one more season and see if things change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ryanrowe on April 17, 2016, 04:50:50 PM
Just new to this forum btw lads and i cant find a section for ticket info. Hoping to go to Hawthorns for my old man's 50th for the final game of the season against Liverpool (hopefully Pulis' last game too). Are tickets sold out already/not on sale or..? Can anyone let me know he's never been before as he's lived in Scotland all his life, but supported Albion since Willie Johnston came from Rangers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: In Pastures Green on April 17, 2016, 04:53:58 PM
A major problem is that we will struggle to attract any quality players with Pulis in charge (just look at Sjokes signings post Pulis).

I mean, if you were a striker would you want to play in a Pulis team??

Time to go TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 17, 2016, 04:54:49 PM
Quote from: ryanrowe on April 17, 2016, 04:50:50 PM
Just new to this forum btw lads and i cant find a section for ticket info. Hoping to go to Hawthorns for my old man's 50th for the final game of the season against Liverpool (hopefully Pulis' last game too). Are tickets sold out already/not on sale or..? Can anyone let me know he's never been before as he's lived in Scotland all his life, but supported Albion since Willie Johnston came from Rangers
Ticket info gets put in the match thread , they usually get put up a week or two before the game.
Best off looking on the official club site for further off games , Wba.co.uk.
Finally welcome to the site!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ryanrowe on April 17, 2016, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: Dexy on April 17, 2016, 04:54:49 PM
Ticket info gets put in the match thread , they usually get put up a week or two before the game.
Best off looking on the official club site for further off games , Wba.co.uk.
Finally welcome to the site!

Thanks mate! Just hoping we havent missed out already.
Look forward to keeping more up to date with the Albion too from now on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 17, 2016, 05:21:33 PM
What I've noticed in this thread and others is that it's evident that a lot of our fans really care what others think about the club. Personally I couldn't care a less, lots of people saying things like "We're viewed as ugly by others" etc...

I can understand if you personally don't like the football and fair enough but I really couldn't care what some random fan in Bournemouth or Newcastle thinks about us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 17, 2016, 05:25:36 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 17, 2016, 05:21:33 PM
What I've noticed in this thread and others is that it's evident that a lot of our fans really care what others think about the club. Personally I couldn't care a less, lots of people saying things like "We're viewed as ugly by others" etc...

I can understand if you personally don't like the football and fair enough but I really couldn't care what some random fan in Bournemouth or Newcastle thinks about us.



theres no better feeling for me an oppo fan coming over and saying well played instead of having to hear such negatives on the train back to new street yesterday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 17, 2016, 05:34:02 PM
Whenever "three windows" is mentioned I keep seeing the argument of "we don't spend money in January so two of those don't count"... Pulis spent £5m on a winger who has less starts for us than Villa have points this season. In January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 17, 2016, 05:38:50 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 17, 2016, 05:25:36 PM


theres no better feeling for me an oppo fan coming over and saying well played instead of having to hear such negatives on the train back to new street yesterday
I genuinely couldn't care what an opposition fan thinks, I only care about the Albion regardless of how we play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 17, 2016, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on April 17, 2016, 04:43:24 PM
I say give him one more season and see if things change.

I can't see how things will change. We won't pay the going rate for decent players so will end up going for cheap options in the hope they will come good. No decent attacking player will come and play for Pulis either. If he stays it will be pretty much the same 11 turning out the same dross week in week out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on April 17, 2016, 05:47:06 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on April 17, 2016, 05:39:06 PM
I can't see how things will change. We won't pay the going rate for decent players so will end up going for cheap options in the hope they will come good. No decent attacking player will come and play for Pulis either. If he stays it will be pretty much the same 11 turning out the same dross week in week out.
Wouldn't give him another game let alone another season..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on April 17, 2016, 06:12:07 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on April 17, 2016, 05:47:06 PM
Wouldn't give him another game let alone another season..

Here here.

Rubbish all over the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on April 17, 2016, 06:16:44 PM
while opposition fans think our football is terrible there is also a grudging admiration and i always hear "at least he kept you up".
This morning I was questioning Pulis (not saying he should go but frustation with the quality of football) and 2 friends who support other clubs said but your still in the league and with that squad what do you expect...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 06:43:59 PM
I hate that type of comment. Its not all about staying up. Are Southampton, West Ham, Leicester, Stoke looking at surviving relegation as an achievement? - No.

We should be aiming for the same as what these teams deem as successful. We got the money now, we just need to hold ourselves in higher esteem. Appointments like Clarke, Mel, Irvine and now Pulis are unambitious. Although i will admit Pulis was a requirement at the time. We should be looking at higher calibre managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on April 17, 2016, 06:54:47 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 17, 2016, 06:43:59 PM
I hate that type of comment. Its not all about staying up. Are Southampton, West Ham, Leicester, Stoke looking at surviving relegation as an achievement? - No.

We should be aiming for the same as what these teams deem as successful. We got the money now, we just need to hold ourselves in higher esteem. Appointments like Clarke, Mel, Irvine and now Pulis are unambitious. Although i will admit Pulis was a requirement at the time. We should be looking at higher calibre managers.
To be honest, a club like ours is all about staying up in the greed league. Those clubs you mention have all had a decent cash injection in the last few years so all harbour hopes of finishing higher.

Until we find another owner to put cash in, it will be all about staying up.

To be fair, this season in particular, it is all about fine margins, we are six behind Stoke, who are one of the more ambitious sides so if we'd have performed against Norwich and beat Watford we would be level.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 17, 2016, 07:34:41 PM
Think we should appreciate the fact that he comfortably kept us in the greed league for bonus year, but pay him off and get someone in now.
Imagine trying to take over in two years when TP has spent aun insane amount on 8 cb's..?, it would be a poisoned chalice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 17, 2016, 08:02:30 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on April 17, 2016, 06:16:44 PM
while opposition fans think our football is terrible there is also a grudging admiration and i always hear "at least he kept you up".
This morning I was questioning Pulis (not saying he should go but frustation with the quality of football) and 2 friends who support other clubs said but your still in the league and with that squad what do you expect...

When opposition fans say our football is terrible, I begrudgingly agree with them. I do however disagree with their analysis of our squad because, generally, they don't even know who it is made up of.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 17, 2016, 08:17:35 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on April 17, 2016, 07:34:41 PM
Think we should appreciate the fact that he comfortably kept us in the greed league for bonus year, but pay him off and get someone in now.
Imagine trying to take over in two years when TP has spent aun insane amount on 8 cb's..?, it would be a poisoned chalice.
Mate you usually post very good stuff but "8 CB's" I doubt it lets be realistic. He has had to work with this squad and done the job with it.
Let's see who the powers that be go for and bring in?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 17, 2016, 09:28:20 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on April 17, 2016, 08:17:35 PM
Mate you usually post very good stuff but "8 CB's" I doubt it lets be realistic. He has had to work with this squad and done the job with it.
Let's see who the powers that be go for and bring in?
Ok, maybe 8 is excessive but, if we agree he plays 4 cb's across the back (usually) if someone buys Evans (possible)
Olson /gmac go next year and he wants at least a couple to cover, I think it's possible that if TP gets two more years we get 5 new cb's?
I'm not sure I'd let him loose with my money..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 17, 2016, 09:47:07 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on April 17, 2016, 09:28:20 PM
Ok, maybe 8 is excessive but, if we agree he plays 4 cb's across the back (usually) if someone buys Evans (possible)
Olson /gmac go next year and he wants at least a couple to cover, I think it's possible that if TP gets two more years we get 5 new cb's?
I'm not sure I'd let him loose with my money..
Well Evans was a TP signing and I hope he would be looking to develope the defense around him?
Yes Gmac and Olsson are one year so not bad cover and with one more CB would be good.
We do not know yet what will be brought in.Only time will tell. We could well have won Sat but it went against us but that was not TP's fault.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: colinmax on April 18, 2016, 08:57:05 AM
Pulis always seems to send out a team who put a shift in and I have seen some exciting games and good performances but I am quickly moving to the Pulis must go faction.
I saw the P Vale game early this season and the quality was atrocious yet Pulis thought it was an exciting game.
On Saturday against Watford again you could not fault any player for effort although Rondon seemed to run off quicker when substituted than at any time he did in the game but technically we were inept yet Pulis still thought we played well.
We seem incapable of getting to the by line and crossing and three of our on target efforts were a header from a free kick and two penalties.
He promised a more positive game plan now we have 40 points but there was no evidence of this.
If there is no immediate evidence of this Pulis must go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 18, 2016, 09:40:25 AM
Pulis should be given one more season but I wouldn't extend his contract now and would leave it til Christmas to see how things were going. If he gets a better offer in the meantime then so be it. A club cannot exist on results alone. It needs to give fans entertainment or else we stop going eventually - or many will at todays prices!

Most Albion fans are realistic but either Pulis tries to evolve the set up to a more attacking one using the summer window(especially at home) or I can't see him lasting too much longer to be honest.




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 18, 2016, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: darbolina on April 18, 2016, 09:40:25 AM
Pulis should be given one more season but I wouldn't extend his contract now and would leave it til Christmas to see how things were going. If he gets a better offer in the meantime then so be it. A club cannot exist on results alone. It needs to give fans entertainment or else we stop going eventually - or many will at todays prices!

Most Albion fans are realistic but either Pulis tries to evolve the set up to a more attacking one using the summer window(especially at home) or I can't see him lasting too much longer to be honest.
Think Pulis is too old to evolve so we will start the season with exactly the same approach. A bit like groundhog day, albeit with a few new faces.
Some will be over the moon, as it means we will probably stay up, others will be horrified because the standard of football will remain horrible. I tend to be in the second camp and will probably watch far less games if he stays. I do think, however that if we get rid, we stand a far greater risk of relegation. This, for me, is a risk worth taking though because, if we do get the right man in, we could challenge Europa places or domestic cups.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 18, 2016, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on April 18, 2016, 10:00:01 AM
Think Pulis is too old to evolve so we will start the season with exactly the same approach. A bit like groundhog day, albeit with a few new faces.
Some will be over the moon, as it means we will probably stay up, others will be horrified because the standard of football will remain horrible. I tend to be in the second camp and will probably watch far less games if he stays. I do think, however that if we get rid, we stand a far greater risk of relegation. This, for me, is a risk worth taking though because, if we do get the right man in, we could challenge Europa places or domestic cups.

I'd go with that.
We have seen the odd good performance against teams that play open attacking football, the likes of Arsenal, and Chelsea, Man U etc we do ok against.
Teams like Watford, Sunderland and Norwich because they play more compact we struggle against because we don't have the personnel to break teams down.
With Tone in charge I think we'll see more Watford type performances than the one against Arsenal. next season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 18, 2016, 10:15:22 AM
As much as I want TP gone and I do believe that Pulisball will drive fans away, I think the reality is that the club is better off financially with an empty stadium in the Premier League than with a full one in the Championship. I think there is a real danger that the club will commit to an extension on the back of this season's performance. I am relieved that he hasn't got the record points total for us in the Premier League and it is looking less likely that we will get a top half finish because that would have pretty much nailed it on and we would be looking at 3 more glorious years  of Pulisball.

My hope is one more season of this and he is gone. If he does stay which I think is almost certain I hope he gets backed by the club in the window and he gets the bulk of the players he wants, because I want the players aren't his or they aren't good enough excuse out of the way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on April 18, 2016, 10:50:48 AM
Honestly think we could see sub 20,000 crowds with this bloke in charge next season.

The football is dire, we barely have any players that make you get off your seat. Instead, its a team of grafters. Don't get me wrong, fair play to them for getting over the line, but I'm struggling to watch us play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 18, 2016, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: Standaman on April 18, 2016, 10:15:22 AM
As much as I want TP gone and I do believe that Pulisball will drive fans away, I think the reality is that the club is better off financially with an empty stadium in the Premier League than with a full one in the Championship. I think there is a real danger that the club will commit to an extension on the back of this season's performance. I am relieved that he hasn't got the record points total for us in the Premier League and it is looking less likely that we will get a top half finish because that would have pretty much nailed it on and we would be looking at 3 more glorious years  of Pulisball.

My hope is one more season of this and he is gone. If he does stay which I think is almost certain I hope he gets backed by the club in the window and he gets the bulk of the players he wants, because I want the players aren't his or they aren't good enough excuse out of the way.

Why would you want one more season?
When he came here Tone said that he had a massive rebuilding job!
So he's in the process of dismantling what he inherited and rebuilding the team in his image, or what he wants the team to be.
Another season on, Tone goes, the next guy in has an even bigger job to move on our team of 6ft 6in hoofers and to try and make us a football team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 18, 2016, 10:59:45 AM
As i posted before I've always been in the middle with Pulis , he deserves great credit for the rescue act when he  first came in and 40 points this season is nothing to be sniffed at either especially with the budgets of those below us struggling to stay up in one of the most important Premier League years in history.
I accept he has been stuck with some dead wood on good money that he can't get out the club , i accept we will never have huge amounts of money to chuck about under JP. What I'm now struggling to cope with is how predictable we are to watch and frankly for a good chunk of the season how dull we are. Now i don't buy into the "Albion way" myth ( see Mowbray PL year) but when we play well it's decent sometimes good on the eye but when we are below par we are just awful....no middle ground as yet under Pulis.
As  i started with getting a club like us safe in the greed league is not to be sniffed at but for me Pulis has this window and until about late November to get us playing better stuff before i and i suspect a few other middle of the roaders start to lose paitence with him.
Nothing wrong in keeping your shape, nothing wrong in working but there must be some entertainment imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 18, 2016, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on April 18, 2016, 10:55:25 AM
Why would you want one more season?
When he came here Tone said that he had a massive rebuilding job!
So he's in the process of dismantling what he inherited and rebuilding the team in his image, or what he wants the team to be.
Another season on, Tone goes, the next guy in has an even bigger job to move on our team of 6ft 6in hoofers and to try and make us a football team.

Mark Hughes and Alan Pardew have managed just fine. They are still picking Pulis signings regularly which is weird...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 18, 2016, 11:07:30 AM
Quote from: Dexy on April 18, 2016, 10:59:45 AM
As i posted before I've always been in the middle with Pulis , he deserves great credit for the rescue act when he  first came in and 40 points this season is nothing to be sniffed at either especially with the budgets of those below us struggling to stay up in one of the most important Premier League years in history.
I accept he has been stuck with some dead wood on good money that he can't get out the club , i accept we will never have huge amounts of money to chuck about under JP. What I'm now struggling to cope with is how predictable we are to watch and frankly for a good chunk of the season how dull we are. Now i don't buy into the "Albion way" myth ( see Mowbray PL year) but when we play well it's decent sometimes good on the eye but when we are below par we are just awful....no middle ground as yet under Pulis.
As  i started with getting a club like us safe in the greed league is not to be sniffed at but for me Pulis has this window and until about late November to get us playing better stuff before i and i suspect a few other middle of the roaders start to lose paitence with him.
Nothing wrong in keeping your shape, nothing wrong in working but there must be some entertainment imo.

The problem with our hope Pulis will evolve the style is that he rated the Watford performance as a good one! With a benchmark like that it doesn't look likely he'll evolve sufficiently for fans ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 18, 2016, 11:11:05 AM
Quote from: darbolina on April 18, 2016, 11:07:30 AM
The problem with our hope Pulis will evolve the style is that he rated the Watford performance as a good one! With a benchmark like that it doesn't look likely he'll evolve sufficiently for fans ?

56% possession instead of the usual 42%. 10 shots instead of the usual 5. Take away your £20m striker missing 2 penalties and the result was in the bag.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 18, 2016, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 18, 2016, 11:11:05 AM
56% possession instead of the usual 42%. 10 shots instead of the usual 5. Take away your £20m striker missing 2 penalties and the result was in the bag.
No it wasn't mate , we had one maybe two decent chances on goal other than the penalties.
Not good enough , awful to watch and whats worse that was a game we should be going for it and being relaxed a bit more. Not for the first time at home i might add too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 18, 2016, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on April 18, 2016, 10:55:25 AM
Why would you want one more season?
When he came here Tone said that he had a massive rebuilding job!
So he's in the process of dismantling what he inherited and rebuilding the team in his image, or what he wants the team to be.
Another season on, Tone goes, the next guy in has an even bigger job to move on our team of 6ft 6in hoofers and to try and make us a football team.

The truth is I don't want another hour but I don't think he is going anywhere so one more season is the best I can hope for and I don't want to even think about perpetual Pulisball.

My hope is that whoever takes over from him inherits a decent defensive core and like Mark Hughes has done is bolt on a bit more creativity and hire some full backs. Obviously the fear is that the transition to something better is too disruptive and we get it wrong and go down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on April 18, 2016, 11:21:50 AM
You can give me all the 'point away at anfield' and 'beat united at home' all day, but if we can't muster a win against Norwich, Villa, Watford then they don't really count.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 18, 2016, 11:36:36 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 18, 2016, 11:11:05 AM
56% possession instead of the usual 42%. 10 shots instead of the usual 5. Take away your £20m striker missing 2 penalties and the result was in the bag.

Sorry but you can't defend Pulis style of football with stats. You could ask Albion fans whether they'd prefer Bournemouth's approach to achieving broadly the same number of points though for example? Yes for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 18, 2016, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: darbolina on April 18, 2016, 11:36:36 AM
Sorry but you can't defend Pulis style of football with stats. You could ask Albion fans whether they'd prefer Bournemouth's approach to achieving broadly the same number of points though for example? Yes for me.

Bournemouth also spent less money than us last summer, did not have the years of premiership revenue behind them like we did, yet still play a much much more interesting and watchable brand of football, and have achieved similar results.

Its clear our recruitment of both players and managers has been below par for several years now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 18, 2016, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: Morany on April 18, 2016, 11:21:50 AM
You can give me all the 'point away at anfield' and 'beat united at home' all day, but if we can't muster a win against Norwich, Villa, Watford then they don't really count.


one of the most shocking home performances
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 18, 2016, 01:58:55 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 18, 2016, 11:02:46 AM
Mark Hughes and Alan Pardew have managed just fine. They are still picking Pulis signings regularly which is weird...

Mark Hughes has added the likes of Bojan and Shaqiri to the Pulis plodders who do a job defensively - and Stoke now sit happily in the top half playing better football than Pulis could ever achieve. In fact Stoke are now only just shaking off the tag of being the most boring, cynical and one dimensional team in England - a tag which is very quickly being attributed to West Bromwich Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on April 18, 2016, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: Morany on April 18, 2016, 11:21:50 AM
You can give me all the 'point away at anfield' and 'beat united at home' all day, but if we can't muster a win against Norwich, Villa, Watford then they don't really count.

But they do actually count...while I agree those performances were rubbish we actually played well against some of the bigger teams and picked up points. If we won those games at home and lost the other games people would question why we don't "give it a go against the big teams"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on April 18, 2016, 03:20:08 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on April 18, 2016, 03:16:48 PM
But they do actually count...while I agree those performances were rubbish we actually played well against some of the bigger teams and picked up points. If we won those games at home and lost the other games people would question why we don't "give it a go against the big teams"

But we do have a go, that's what makes it even worse. Our seeming inability to beat teams that are worse than us. Norwich and Villa are shocking. Watford were no great shakes at all.

Performances in the main against lower sides have been poor, and it's just not good enough.

Shackles were off Saturday, and at 1-0 down, Pulis brings on Gardner. What's all that about?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 18, 2016, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: Morany on April 18, 2016, 03:20:08 PM
Shackles were off Saturday, and at 1-0 down, Pulis brings on Gardner. What's all that about?

I thought Anichebe instead of Leko was even more pathetic. With nothing to play for, Pulis opted for a plodding, pathetic waste of a wage over a promising young boy. Disgusting in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on April 18, 2016, 03:53:24 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 18, 2016, 03:49:04 PM
I thought Anichebe instead of Leko was even more pathetic. With nothing to play for, Pulis opted for a plodding, pathetic waste of a wage over a promising young boy. Disgusting in my opinion.

Completely agree mate, terrible substitution. Rod for his own back sometimes
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 18, 2016, 03:54:53 PM
I still don't understand Gardner coming on Saturday..... Well I do it's the tactical moron that is Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 18, 2016, 04:24:00 PM
Said on the in game thread about non positive subs and someone queried me! What I was on about was the actual personnel involved! A non scoring Anichebe, a winger just back from injury whose offered little end product except diving McManaman & Gardner probably the better of the 3, say no more! Probably not a great deal of choice off the bench, but he put Leko on at Man City, why he didn't do the same here I don't know! Others also said Leko's not good enough, but he couldn't have done any worse than what was already on there! I only watched by a stream but it took the gloss off VR day but then again that's the Albion who have a knack of letting you down at times like this ala Astle day & many other occasions!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 18, 2016, 07:29:54 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 18, 2016, 11:11:05 AM
56% possession instead of the usual 42%. 10 shots instead of the usual 5. Take away your £20m striker missing 2 penalties and the result was in the bag.

Did you see the game?

It was awful. Pitiful.

A side with no idea what to do when it does not resort to breaking up play with cynical tackles and boring everybody to tears.

Unfortunately that has started to become the norm rather than just a one off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 18, 2016, 07:52:28 PM
Where's the Stoke team full of Pulis signings we are told about so much?

Shawcross, Cameron and Whelan the only survivors from the Pulis era in tonight's XI unless I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 18, 2016, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on April 18, 2016, 03:54:53 PM
I still don't understand Gardner coming on Saturday..... Well I do it's the tactical moron that is Pulis.
To be fair, Gardner is more likely to get forward than Yacob but it wouldn't have been what I would have done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on April 18, 2016, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on April 18, 2016, 03:54:53 PM
I still don't understand Gardner coming on Saturday..... Well I do it's the tactical moron that is Pulis.

You don't have to like him, I'm not a fan of his football but he's obviously not a "tactical moron".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 18, 2016, 08:01:06 PM
Pulis may not have got the players he wanted but he's still made 11 signings since being here. Most of whom can't get a regular start. What makes people think his record in the transfer market will get any better? With the additional Sky money player values will become even more ridiculous and will make it even harder for us to bring players in IMO. Are any attacking players with any real quality going to come and play in a Pulis side anyhow? I doubt it very much.

We are on track to finish lower than last season with less points. Let's hope this end of season dip will put a hold on contract talks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on April 18, 2016, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 18, 2016, 07:52:28 PM
Where's the Stoke team full of Pulis signings we are told about so much?

Shawcross, Cameron and Whelan the only survivors from the Pulis era in tonight's XI unless I'm mistaken.

Could have done with some of his defenders tonight ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 18, 2016, 10:03:52 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on April 18, 2016, 09:41:01 PM
Could have done with some of his defenders tonight ;)

They can have Olsson if they're really desperate :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 19, 2016, 10:11:19 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 18, 2016, 10:03:52 PM
They can have Olsson if they're really desperate :o

In spite of spending a small fortune and not having improved results that much since Pulis left, Stoke fans I know have enjoyed this season much more than under Pulis. Isn't that the proof that fans of clubs like Stoke/ Albion don't necessarily need Leicester style unbelievable success but simple , gold old fashioned entertainment!

Goals , chances, the game played at pace, unpredictability - just some of the simple ways a fan can be made happy 😎
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on April 19, 2016, 10:58:41 PM
Quote from: darbolina on April 19, 2016, 10:11:19 PM
In spite of spending a small fortune and not having improved results that much since Pulis left, Stoke fans I know have enjoyed this season much more than under Pulis. Isn't that the proof that fans of clubs like Stoke/ Albion don't necessarily need Leicester style unbelievable success but simple , gold old fashioned entertainment!

Goals , chances, the game played at pace, unpredictability - just some of the simple ways a fan can be made happy 😎

Its why most of us became Albion fans in the first place,can't understand the views of some basking in an awful draw or 1-0 borefest,isn't football supposed to be entertaining anymore :/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 20, 2016, 09:02:55 AM
To be fair, the club probably saw Pepe Mel and Alan Irvine as coaches who could establish a way of playing which wasn't overly defensive and was mostly entertaining. We all know we came to Pulis because we looked odds on  to be relegated after at least two years of losing our way. Now we have to ask whether we invest in Pulis' methods long term (no for me).

We seem to have some bright young kids coming through who seem more geared up to play football than slog and defend hence I'd still see Pulis as someone to shepherd us through to next summer, buying only players who are mid 20s or younger. I'd let him bed in 4 or 5 new players in the summer/ next season before thanking him and moving on to someone with new ideas to build onto a strong defensive core.

Life never goes to plan though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on April 20, 2016, 09:17:51 AM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on April 19, 2016, 10:58:41 PM

Its why most of us became Albion fans in the first place,can't understand the views of some basking in an awful draw or 1-0 borefest,isn't football supposed to be entertaining anymore :/
I wish Pulis was like Bertie Mee and George Graham.

Bertie Mee’s Double-winning side of 1971 and George Graham’s teams in the late 1980s and early 1990s were built around resolute defences, a never-say-die team spirit and an unerring ability to grind out results. “The bottom line is that the team wins. I’ll leave others to worry about the style,” said Mee, whose team won 1-0 on no fewer than 11 occasions in 1970/71, including eight from February onwards as they inched towards their first domestic silverware in 18 years.

They were known as Boring Boring Arsenal but won silverware. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 20, 2016, 11:59:46 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on April 20, 2016, 09:17:51 AM
I wish Pulis was like Bertie Mee and George Graham.

Bertie Mee’s Double-winning side of 1971 and George Graham’s teams in the late 1980s and early 1990s were built around resolute defences, a never-say-die team spirit and an unerring ability to grind out results. “The bottom line is that the team wins. I’ll leave others to worry about the style,” said Mee, whose team won 1-0 on no fewer than 11 occasions in 1970/71, including eight from February onwards as they inched towards their first domestic silverware in 18 years.

They were known as Boring Boring Arsenal but won silverware.

A lot of the credit went to Don Howe who was working with Mee as a the first team coach, he joined us on the strength of this and took us down to Division 2, playing the same insipid percentage football that had been successful at Arsenal. He is not as fondly remembered by a generation of Baggies fans as he should be for that particular exploit. 

Graham and Mee are popular at Arsenal because they won stuff and as popular as a fart in a space suit everywhere else because their football was by and large unwatchable. Conclusion if a team is being elevated to new heights of achievement by playing totally uninspiring defensive football then fans will bite the bullet but otherwise style really matters. If all you offer is nothing special your own fans will soon lose faith if your football is ugly to watch. 

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 20, 2016, 09:39:23 PM
The only thing is results with what you have available.
Everton should be doing much better than us with resources available.
This "Toffee" fan quote says it.

“The Martinez brand of attacking football,” writes Colin Livingstone. “There’s rugby teams that don’t pass the ball backwards as much as we do. Complete myth. Loused up a great defence too. The Spanish Steve McLaren.” Oof!"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on April 21, 2016, 12:19:53 AM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on April 20, 2016, 09:39:23 PM
The only thing is results with what you have available.
Everton should be doing much better than us with resources available.
This "Toffee" fan quote says it.

“The Martinez brand of attacking football,” writes Colin Livingstone. “There’s rugby teams that don’t pass the ball backwards as much as we do. Complete myth. Loused up a great defence too. The Spanish Steve McLaren.” Oof!"
They didn't pass the ball back much,when they played us,but would rather tolerate this than a mindless punt forward to our lone striker,for there defenders to pass back to there midfield,wash and repeat for 90 mins :/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 21, 2016, 08:08:42 AM
The whole Pulis debate is littered with completely false either or choices or comparisons. Yes Martinez is losing it at Everton he can't get a very good team to perform well playing attacking football but then Eddie Howe at Bournemouth has matched our performance with a team that plays attacking football and you could argue has a less talented squad (certainly less experienced at  Premier League level).

All teams are hovering around the 40 point mark but were I a neutral I know who I would prefer to watch and it wouldn't be us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 21, 2016, 11:22:49 AM
I'm fairly sure that if we lose tonight TP form over the last 7 matches is the same as (or worse than) AI form in his final 7 matches  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2016, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 21, 2016, 11:22:49 AM
I'm fairly sure that if we lose tonight TP form over the last 7 matches is the same as (or worse than) AI form in his final 7 matches  :o


and then when spurs and west ham beat us too, its a bloody good job we got to 40 when we did
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 21, 2016, 12:18:09 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 21, 2016, 11:22:49 AM
I'm fairly sure that if we lose tonight TP form over the last 7 matches is the same as (or worse than) AI form in his final 7 matches  :o

Not actually true, Pulis would have 5 points from the last 7 IF we lose tonight.

Irvine only picked up 4 points in his last 7 games.

Moreover Pulis has already got the job done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 21, 2016, 01:22:33 PM
I know that AI was a rubbish manager, but were we ever in the relegation zone under him?  Can't quite remember.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 21, 2016, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 21, 2016, 01:22:33 PM
I know that AI was a rubbish manager, but were we ever in the relegation zone under him?  Can't quite remember.

Don't think we were unless very early in the season when we only had 2 points from 4 games.

Irvine's problem aside from being utterly out of his depth was that on average for half a season we were running under a point a game. After beating Leicester on matchweek 10 to his sacking after defeat at Stoke on match week 19 we only picked up 4 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 21, 2016, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 21, 2016, 12:18:09 PM
Not actually true, Pulis would have 5 points from the last 7 IF we lose tonight.

Irvine only picked up 4 points in his last 7 games.

Moreover Pulis has already got the job done.
You're right, it would be his form over the last 6 matches.

18 games, 18 months? According to some, it's the kind of form that should get you the sack.  ;)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 21, 2016, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 21, 2016, 01:49:03 PM
You're right, it would be his form over the last 6 matches.

18 games, 18 months? According to some, it's the kind of form that should get you the sack.  ;)

No it isn't, Irvine lost his job because over a sustained period (19 league matches) he only got 17 points, ie. Less than a point a game. Nothing to do with a 6 or 7 game run. Pulis has taken charge of 52 league matches and has won 67 points.

I honestly have no idea why you keep trying to make this comparison.

 ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on April 21, 2016, 05:33:24 PM
I'm not really either pro or anti TP, since I have almost totally given up on football, but is it coincidence that we seem to be losing season ticket holders and regular supporters while Stoke are adding to their capacity?

Not by much admittedly,  but next season it will be in excess of 30,000 while we don't fill our place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 21, 2016, 09:39:28 PM
Never have I known a Summer transfer window so vital to one Manager  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 21, 2016, 09:43:24 PM
I have to admit I've never felt so bored watching Albion. At least we tried to play football under Irvine. Next season something has to change or the fans will turn on Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 21, 2016, 09:44:25 PM
Quote from: Legend on April 21, 2016, 09:43:24 PM
I have to admit I've never felt so bored watching Albion. At least we tried to play football under Irvine. Next season something has to change or the fans will turn on Pulis.

Most I know already have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 21, 2016, 09:47:49 PM
We played some fantastic football against Palace at home, how can we go from that to the turgid rubbish we're seeing now. There has to be a balance TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 21, 2016, 09:49:41 PM
Is this bloke still getting a new contract?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on April 21, 2016, 09:51:19 PM
The sooner he leaves the sooner I can go back to enjoying games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on April 21, 2016, 10:00:21 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 21, 2016, 01:22:33 PM
I know that AI was a rubbish manager, but were we ever in the relegation zone under him?  Can't quite remember.

Yes for a week only...

We dropped to 19 after our second loss in a row, Game 4 of the Season (0-2 Everton) then beat Spurs the following weekend to jump to 16th (which was as low as we ever went for the rest of the season)

 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 21, 2016, 10:08:04 PM
Can't see us picking up more than 3 points before end of season.
Guy is so predictable and tbis set up not to lose and hope to knick something is beyond boring.

Give him all the money in the world things won't change.

Yes it's a deadwood squad but tbis guy isn't the guy to rebuild.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 21, 2016, 10:11:19 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on April 21, 2016, 10:08:04 PM
Can't see us picking up more than 3 points before end of season.
Guy is so predictable and tbis set up not to lose and hope to knick something is beyond boring.

Give him all the money in the world things won't change.

Yes it's a deadwood squad but tbis guy isn't the guy to rebuild.
if that's the case we've made no progress under pulis after spending £30m
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on April 21, 2016, 10:20:33 PM
I don't think I have ever enjoyed a season less than this . I am very uncomfortable watching it and am ashamed to be associated with it .

We are rubbish that is the blunt truth and without major investment on creativity relegation is an absolute certainty next season .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 21, 2016, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Mo on April 21, 2016, 10:20:33 PM
I don't think I have ever enjoyed a season less than this . I am very uncomfortable watching it and am ashamed to be associated with it .

We are rubbish that is the blunt truth and without major investment on creativity relegation is an absolute certainty next season .

No it's not.

We're ugly and a lot of fans hate the style but to say relegation could be a certainty is very dramatic. Pulis may be many things but he's never been relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 21, 2016, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: Legend on April 21, 2016, 09:47:49 PM
We played some fantastic football against Palace at home, how can we go from that to the turgid rubbish we're seeing now. There has to be a balance TP.

The exemption that proved the rule, generally turgid but occasionally decent which is why I absolutely refuse to get suckered in by the occasional half decent performance it is a style of football that sucks the life out of football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 21, 2016, 10:33:27 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 21, 2016, 10:27:14 PM
No it's not.

We're ugly and a lot of fans hate the style but to say relegation could be a certainty is very dramatic. Pulis may be many things but he's never been relegated.

Were slipping dangerously this season let alone the next.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on April 21, 2016, 10:39:50 PM
The bloke could spend £100 million and he'd still play the turgid rubbish we are currently been served up, why in gods name he persists with Chester at left back, moving Evans to left back to accommodate the useless Ollson, why does Fletcher get picked week in week out when we have Pritchard on the bench Christ Tony give the lad a chance he can't be any worse than the passengers who currently occupy the midfield, why has Saido not been dropped despite contributing absolute naff all for the past 3 months, Craig Gardner as his attacking substitute of choice?. How this bloke has got us to 40 points is a minor bloody miracle. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on April 21, 2016, 10:41:00 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 21, 2016, 10:27:14 PM
No it's not.

We're ugly and a lot of fans hate the style but to say relegation could be a certainty is very dramatic. Pulis may be many things but he's never been relegated.
What is certain , is those in the 'Pulis camp' will soon be in the minority.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on April 21, 2016, 10:44:07 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 21, 2016, 10:27:14 PM
No it's not.

We're ugly and a lot of fans hate the style but to say relegation could be a certainty is very dramatic. Pulis may be many things but he's never been relegated.

That's not to say he won't be relegated via sooner or later be it here or somewhere else it will happen . I've watched and played enough football at a decent level to know the warning signs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 21, 2016, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: baggiecarl on April 21, 2016, 10:41:00 PM
What is certain , is those in the 'Pulis camp' will soon be in the minority.
I didn't say otherwise. It's clear that from when he began, until now - he has lost support from the fans, there's no denying that.

My point is, it's very reactionary to say we're nearly 'certainly' get relegated with him next season which probably won't happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on April 21, 2016, 10:55:44 PM
I would rather be relegated and pulis leave than to force myself to watch this rubbish any longer.

Where is the enjoyment in grinding out 40 points in the league with the lowest number of shots on target than any other team? It could maybe be slightly excused if there was a decent cup run.... But against lower league opposition we were clearly so drilled in "not conceding" that there was no routine or plan to actually take the game forward and score some goals.

I admire Pulis for attempting to play his strongest team in the cup but what I cannot excuse is his inability to play any form of attacking football.

I am absolutely and completely bored with this and even if he was given a war chest of £200 million he would not be able to change it.

Nice bloke but he is what he is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on April 21, 2016, 10:59:37 PM
Time to go tone. We have had enough
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on April 21, 2016, 11:06:17 PM
I just don't pay a lot of attention to us during games anymore. Had the radio on tonight but was doing other things and kind of didn't really care.

Collymore is a total numpty but he got something right - there's no dare in this team. Pulis does not dare to dream. Ranieri and Bilic did and look where they are. We really don't have to set up to just not lose. We don't have to start with 8 defensive players. When the game plan goes after 6 minutes we don't have the 11 on the pitch. Chasing the game, not doing a lot from the sounds of it and two of the three subs are Olsson and Gardner - eh?!?

So apathetic when we're playing now. I want to love my club again and not see us boring everybody, not being top of the foul play league and not going game after game without causing much threat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 21, 2016, 11:16:58 PM
Just seen his post match comments and apparently the problem tonight was we were playing on a Thursday and he had never  played on a Thursday. Fair enough Tone can see why that would stop us passing the ball getting more than 1 shot on target and our general level of standard level of ineptitude.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 21, 2016, 11:33:50 PM
Quote from: Standaman on April 21, 2016, 11:16:58 PM
Just seen his post match comments and apparently the problem tonight was we were playing on a Thursday and he had never  played on a Thursday. Fair enough Tone can see why that would stop us passing the ball getting more than 1 shot on target and our general level of standard level of ineptitude.

He said we weren't at it and too many players had off days. When further pressed he suggested playing on a Thursday could have skewed the preparation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on April 21, 2016, 11:35:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 21, 2016, 11:33:50 PM
He said we weren't at it and too many players had off days. When further pressed he suggested playing on a Thursday could have skewed the preparation.

In fairness to him it came across like he was blaming himself and the coaching team. Still seems kinda weak though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 21, 2016, 11:36:31 PM
Poor little pampered players?
Who can't play on a Thursday.
Awww, shame.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 21, 2016, 11:37:47 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on April 21, 2016, 11:36:31 PM
Poor little pampered players?
Who can't play on a Thursday.
Awww, shame.

You see, this is nothing like what was actually said. Thought you were against propaganda  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 21, 2016, 11:41:05 PM
Is this bloke for real blaming poor old Thursday for that performance next he will be blaming Monday and Saturday for bad performance's. LOOK IN THE MiRROR MATE
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on April 21, 2016, 11:42:09 PM
It doesnt actually bother me losing tonight, the life has been sucked out of me when it comes to following the Albion.

I blame the players but mainly blame the manager as he in control of the players and they play to his instructions.

Even before the season started i dont remember in all my time going looking forward to one so little and its not only been as bad as i feared, it was been worse.

Football is supposed to be a passionate and emotional game yet i have none of those feelings towards the Albion anymore. Yes we have reached 40 points, wahooooo, but at what cost, its so uninspiring and boring its just not worth being interested in. We have the odd game (Man City away was decent) where we resemble a normal football team but other than that its just the most basic painful effective way of playing.

It bugs me when people say the players just arent that good, they arent superstars but they are multimillionaire players, who have played for top clubs, won trophies, played in europe, played in major tournaments and i think we as fans have every right to expect our coach and them to challenge themselves a bit.

Its so predictable watching us most of the time, there is no flair, no vision, no variety, we have hit our target for the season, why not give the likes of Mcmanaman a good run, Gamboa, Prichard (with a view to having him on loan next season if he impressed), Leko, etc, etc. Some of the above havent done great but they get the odd half a game here and there and then get bombed, the current rotated 14 or 15 have done their job for the season, it dont matter how good or bad they play or for how long, they will always play the next game. Why not use this time to try something different, show that this season was about staying up at whatever cost and that there is a view to progressing next season in how we approach games.

As a club we are the strongest i have known in my lifetime of going (30 years) but i have never felt such little enthusiasm as i do now, until recent games i tried to convince myself to look forward to games, have that same buzz but lately i just couldnt care less.

On saturday i didnt decide to go the game til 12.30pm, i needed to cresote the fence, a job i hate doing and it really was a tossup between doing that and going the match, i hate the creosoting that much i went the game and was not looking forward to it at all. I thought it would be bad but it was worse than expected, sad thing was it was a nice day, if it hadnt been for noise around me i could of easily fell asleep in my seat, for only the second time ever since going the Albion i actually left with 5 minutes to go too as i could feel myself dozing off and i didnt want to be one of those people shown on the TV for doing it!

Same applied tonight, i was bored stupid and began to flick the channels and watch Paul o Grady on ITV, i have never had such little interest in the Albion and its getting worse, i wish the season was over right now and i didnt have to almost force myself to have to go the last two games.

The fans who travel away to watch us deserve massive praise, i cant be bothered travelling half hour so to go hours and hours for games like tonight takes some doing.

I dont hate Pulis, far from it, i respect the job he has done for us a club, but as a fan, my games will get fewer and fewer because although i know well enough football can make you angrier / happier than lots of things in life, at the moment i just have lost that much interest it doesnt really bother me whether we win or lose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 21, 2016, 11:42:34 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 21, 2016, 11:37:47 PM
You see, this is nothing like what was actually said. Thought you were against propaganda  ;D

Pulis suggested the players had off days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 21, 2016, 11:48:42 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on April 21, 2016, 11:42:09 PM
It doesnt actually bother me losing tonight, the life has been sucked out of me when it comes to following the Albion.

I blame the players but mainly blame the manager as he in control of the players and they play to his instructions.

Even before the season started i dont remember in all my time going looking forward to one so little and its not only been as bad as i feared, it was been worse.

Football is supposed to be a passionate and emotional game yet i have none of those feelings towards the Albion anymore. Yes we have reached 40 points, wahooooo, but at what cost, its so uninspiring and boring its just not worth being interested in. We have the odd game (Man City away was decent) where we resemble a normal football team but other than that its just the most basic painful effective way of playing.

It bugs me when people say the players just arent that good, they arent superstars but they are multimillionaire players, who have played for top clubs, won trophies, played in europe, played in major tournaments and i think we as fans have every right to expect our coach and them to challenge themselves a bit.

Its so predictable watching us most of the time, there is no flair, no vision, no variety, we have hit our target for the season, why not give the likes of Mcmanaman a good run, Gamboa, Prichard (with a view to having him on loan next season if he impressed), Leko, etc, etc. Some of the above havent done great but they get the odd half a game here and there and then get bombed, the current rotated 14 or 15 have done their job for the season, it dont matter how good or bad they play or for how long, they will always play the next game. Why not use this time to try something different, show that this season was about staying up at whatever cost and that there is a view to progressing next season in how we approach games.

As a club we are the strongest i have known in my lifetime of going (30 years) but i have never felt such little enthusiasm as i do now, until recent games i tried to convince myself to look forward to games, have that same buzz but lately i just couldnt care less.

On saturday i didnt decide to go the game til 12.30pm, i needed to cresote the fence, a job i hate doing and it really was a tossup between doing that and going the match, i hate the creosoting that much i went the game and was not looking forward to it at all. I thought it would be bad but it was worse than expected, sad thing was it was a nice day, if it hadnt been for noise around me i could of easily fell asleep in my seat, for only the second time ever since going the Albion i actually left with 5 minutes to go too as i could feel myself dozing off and i didnt want to be one of those people shown on the TV for doing it!

Same applied tonight, i was bored stupid and began to flick the channels and watch Paul o Grady on ITV, i have never had such little interest in the Albion and its getting worse, i wish the season was over right now and i didnt have to almost force myself to have to go the last two games.

The fans who travel away to watch us deserve massive praise, i cant be bothered travelling half hour so to go hours and hours for games like tonight takes some doing.

I dont hate Pulis, far from it, i respect the job he has done for us a club, but as a fan, my games will get fewer and fewer because although i know well enough football can make you angrier / happier than lots of things in life, at the moment i just have lost that much interest it doesnt really bother me whether we win or lose.
On the bloody nail!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 21, 2016, 11:53:31 PM
Question to the few who still support Pulis, would you trust him to spend X amount of money this summer in transforming us into playing a more balanced game instead of the negative turgid displays we see most games? I personally think he can't change his ways so obviously I wouldn't trust him, assuming he is still with us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggy nerd on April 22, 2016, 12:16:23 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on April 21, 2016, 11:42:34 PM
Pulis suggested the players had off days.
Can't see many 'on days' around the corner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 22, 2016, 12:18:09 AM
I don't understand this assumption that players can't perform simply because a game has been changed to a Thursday night. I rarely go out drinking on a Thursday night, but I found necking countless pints of Stella effortless. :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 22, 2016, 12:45:51 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on April 21, 2016, 11:53:31 PM
Question to the few who still support Pulis, would you trust him to spend X amount of money this summer in transforming us into playing a more balanced game instead of the negative turgid displays we see most games? I personally think he can't change his ways so obviously I wouldn't trust him, assuming he is still with us.

Short answer yes. He has not found his decent wide men (Etherington and Pennant) despite paying out on McManaman and McClean, he will almost certainly revisit these positions.

A forward/attacking midfielder that compliments Rondon will be high on his list with the Berahino money.

I think he'll try and upgrade Yacob though I personally would be looking at getting someone who can share Fletcher's duties, a player in the Kante/Imbula mould.

To round off the signing's I think he'll sign another centre back and a utility left back to cover Brunt (Wilson seems a no brainer.)

That's 6 signings, I think that is the most we can hope for though I think we need 2 new strikers. I trust Pulis' transfer record that 4 will be successes. If it's the front 4 I'll be delighted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 22, 2016, 06:59:19 AM
Maybe Stokelad84 will help out but is anybody able to list Pulis attacking signings that they would consider a real success? Didn't one of England's most recent prestigious strikers retire rather than continue playing under TP?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on April 22, 2016, 07:06:19 AM
People keep mentioning using the Berahino money to bolster the squad...after the season he has had culminating by yesterday's no show...just how much money do we think we will get for him ?..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on April 22, 2016, 07:15:41 AM
tony may walk after keeping us up taking his fat bonus with him , we can only hope ay .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 22, 2016, 07:56:23 AM
Cannot believe there are still people defending this fool, although they are very quickly becoming a very small minority.

The bloke is an absolute enemy of football and epitomises not only what is wrong with the Premier League, but also what is wrong with this football club. No ideas, no ambition, no hope.

Mr Chairman, I beg of you - get rid of this dinosaur and give us all hope again that there is more to being in this league than 40 points and making up the numbers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on April 22, 2016, 08:36:06 AM
Quote from: Standaman on April 21, 2016, 11:16:58 PM
Just seen his post match comments and apparently the problem tonight was we were playing on a Thursday and he had never  played on a Thursday. Fair enough Tone can see why that would stop us passing the ball getting more than 1 shot on target and our general level of standard level of ineptitude.

cant see why we are complaining....we had 1 shot on target and thats a big step up on plenty of games this season. It almost gets to all out attack in Pullisball :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies37 on April 22, 2016, 09:11:26 AM
Don't post very often but here goes.

I've backed Pulis all the way as i believe he has genuinely done well with the team we have over the last 18 months.

I travelled with my 8year old lad from Norwich last week for the Watford game that's a 6 hours round trip.
What concerns me is that he's just getting into football and West Brom (no mean feat when were 3 hours away) and I want us to play some better football than we are doing.

I do however believe last night was the straw that broke the camels back for me finally.
What greatly concerns me is what he will do the war chest we have next year.
Already there is talk of more Hull players (Livermore). This seems greatly unambitious for me.

I think its precarious because we need someone better to come in.
I also suspect that there will be a big pay off for Tony is he is given the boot.

Next season starts now. We should be looking for a replacement now.
I admire Tony as a person so this is really hard but have to agree with the majority I am really concerned if he doesn't go we will end up buying poor replacements for an ageing side.

We are most definitely at a crossroads with the new finances next year. We have to get it right.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 22, 2016, 09:15:16 AM
4 centre backs across the back four, a central midfield three of Sandro, Fletcher and Yacob. Berahinho up front on his own who always struggles as a lone frontman and has little presence  to hold up a ball when there's such a gulf between himself and a deep midfield. Little creativity,  movement or pace in that line up. Are we surprised it is so bloody dull. Our 'creative outlets' are therefore Sess who has 1 good game in 5 (being generous) albeit whose assists or goals ratio is abysmal  and McClean who is very limited but works hard.

This approach after virtually securing safety shows Pulis has one approach - reverse. Man it's frustrating to the point I feel I'm being mugged paying money to watch it / sit through it and that's only following seeing the line up!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 22, 2016, 09:25:43 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 22, 2016, 12:45:51 AM
Short answer yes. He has not found his decent wide men (Etherington and Pennant) despite paying out on McManaman and McClean, he will almost certainly revisit these positions.

A forward/attacking midfielder that compliments Rondon will be high on his list with the Berahino money.

I think he'll try and upgrade Yacob though I personally would be looking at getting someone who can share Fletcher's duties, a player in the Kante/Imbula mould.

To round off the signing's I think he'll sign another centre back and a utility left back to cover Brunt (Wilson seems a no brainer.)

That's 6 signings, I think that is the most we can hope for though I think we need 2 new strikers. I trust Pulis' transfer record that 4 will be successes. If it's the front 4 I'll be delighted.

Out of the 11 players he's bought in arguably only 2 have been successes. That doesn't bode well if we only bring in 6 during the summer.

For me we need a complete midfield although Fletcher will no doubt keep his place, a new starting striker and left back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 22, 2016, 09:54:52 AM
Quote from: baggies37 on April 22, 2016, 09:11:26 AM
Don't post very often but here goes.

I've backed Pulis all the way as i believe he has genuinely done well with the team we have over the last 18 months.

I travelled with my 8year old lad from Norwich last week for the Watford game that's a 6 hours round trip.
What concerns me is that he's just getting into football and West Brom (no mean feat when were 3 hours away) and I want us to play some better football than we are doing.

I do however believe last night was the straw that broke the camels back for me finally.
What greatly concerns me is what he will do the war chest we have next year.
Already there is talk of more Hull players (Livermore). This seems greatly unambitious for me.

I think its precarious because we need someone better to come in.
I also suspect that there will be a big pay off for Tony is he is given the boot.

Next season starts now. We should be looking for a replacement now.
I admire Tony as a person so this is really hard but have to agree with the majority I am really concerned if he doesn't go we will end up buying poor replacements for an ageing side.

We are most definitely at a crossroads with the new finances next year. We have to get it right.

Jake Livermore is interesting because that is exactly the type of player that TP's transfer policy of British based and established looks like when it meets our budget. His general dislike of recruiting overseas rules out lots of talent much has been made of Leicester City's recruitment but I would bet that Pulis would not have recruited Fuchs, Kante or Mahrez, he would now of course but they are beyond our budget now.

We will spend more than we have ever spent particularly if we get a big fee for Berahino but I fear we will still be mired in Pulisball hell hovering around the 40 point mark this time next year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on April 22, 2016, 09:55:17 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 22, 2016, 07:56:23 AM
Cannot believe there are still people defending this fool, although they are very quickly becoming a very small minority.

The bloke is an absolute enemy of football and epitomises not only what is wrong with the Premier League, but also what is wrong with this football club. No ideas, no ambition, no hope.

Mr Chairman, I beg of you - get rid of this dinosaur and give us all hope again that there is more to being in this league than 40 points and making up the numbers.
Spot on...may have kept us up ..but at a price..awful uninspiring football...and for the first time I'm reading posts from fans who have lost interest and just don't care anymore...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 22, 2016, 09:55:33 AM
I saw a posting in response to my question asking why Pritchard isn't used and the reason/excuse given was that he was back-up for Morrison, Sess and Gardner. Fair enough on Morrison and Sess but surely not Gardner whose not the same type of player. With Morrison out injured and Sess blowing hot and cold there really is no excuse for Pulis not to use him and seems to be yet another wasted loan by him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on April 22, 2016, 09:58:44 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on April 22, 2016, 09:55:33 AM
I saw a posting in response to my question asking why Pritchard isn't used and the reason/excuse given was that he was back-up for Morrison, Sess and Gardner. Fair enough on Morrison and Sess but surely not Gardner whose not the same type of player. With Morrison out injured and Sess blowing hot and cold there really is no excuse for Pulis not to use him and seems to be yet another wasted loan by him.
He has been the same with all his loans..they have rarely had any chances...Sandro did really well against City then gets dropped for the next game...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on April 22, 2016, 10:42:28 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on April 22, 2016, 09:55:33 AM
I saw a posting in response to my question asking why Pritchard isn't used and the reason/excuse given was that he was back-up for Morrison, Sess and Gardner. Fair enough on Morrison and Sess but surely not Gardner whose not the same type of player. With Morrison out injured and Sess blowing hot and cold there really is no excuse for Pulis not to use him and seems to be yet another wasted loan by him.

I liked the look of Pritchard when he was out on loan last season.
Arrived following long term injury lay off though, so game time was always going to be questionable.

Wouldn't be surprised to find we're having a look at him with a view to being used in any prospective deal involving Berahino to Spurs, and then becoming Sessegnon's relacement.

Looked pretty light weight when I watched him play for the U21's against the great unwashed the other week.
Also, he injured his hip in training during the run up to the Watford game and has no return date according to the Physio Room.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c22 (http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c22)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 22, 2016, 11:12:57 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on April 22, 2016, 09:55:33 AM
I saw a posting in response to my question asking why Pritchard isn't used and the reason/excuse given was that he was back-up for Morrison, Sess and Gardner. Fair enough on Morrison and Sess but surely not Gardner whose not the same type of player. With Morrison out injured and Sess blowing hot and cold there really is no excuse for Pulis not to use him and seems to be yet another wasted loan by him.
i can answer why Pritchard hasn't played recently, he has a hip injury. Don't know about his lack of overall playtime.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 22, 2016, 11:48:08 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on April 22, 2016, 10:42:28 AM
I liked the look of Pritchard when he was out on loan last season.
Arrived following long term injury lay off though, so game time was always going to be questionable.

Wouldn't be surprised to find we're having a look at him with a view to being used in any prospective deal involving Berahino to Spurs, and then becoming Sessegnon's relacement.

Looked pretty light weight when I watched him play for the U21's against the great unwashed the other week.
Also, he injured his hip in training during the run up to the Watford game and has no return date according to the Physio Room.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c22 (http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c22)

A bit like Gnabry then. A complete waste of time as it is fairly obvious that he wasn't going to be fit enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on April 22, 2016, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on April 22, 2016, 11:48:08 AM
A bit like Gnabry then. A complete waste of time as it is fairly obvious that he wasn't going to be fit enough.

It's not a waste of time if its spent assessing his worth as part of any transfer deal.
What would be a waste of time though, would be to accept him as part of any prospective deal having judged him to be of sufficient quality, and then not use him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 22, 2016, 01:09:52 PM
Fron a financial perspective, might Pulis be in a position of needing some kind of golden handshake from us to help him more easily settle the Palace judgement, which might be better for him than staying on with a salary?

One issue with that might be that Peace tends to put people on gardening leave until their contract would have run out! Pulis would probably want to go into another job asap in the circumstances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 22, 2016, 01:49:55 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on April 22, 2016, 01:08:32 PM
It's not a waste of time if its spent assessing his worth as part of any transfer deal.
What would be a waste of time though, would be to accept him as part of any prospective deal having judged him to be of sufficient quality, and then not use him.

I don't think there was ever much chance of us signing Gnabry or Pritchard so I doubt we brought them in to look at. They have been bought in to fill the squad nothing more. The occasional cameo off the bench. Had they both been fully fit with a full pre-season behind them then maybe we would have seen more of them. Signing unfit players smacks of desperation to me. It happens every season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DaveWBA on April 22, 2016, 02:44:51 PM
I've gone past the point of caring.

However.

It's wrong to bash Pulis for everything he has done here. The season before he took over we had stayed up (just) and despite the fact Pepe Mel had endeared himself to a lot of us (myself included) there was nothing to suggest he was any good - irrespective of whether he was properly backed or not. Then we appointed Alan Irvine... and I presume we all just went to the pub or hid for 6 months until it was over. Pulis inherited a squad that was imbalanced, ageing, not entertaining in the slightest and most importantly, rubbish at winning football matches. Whilst the squad is still imbalanced, ageing and not entertaining in the slightest at least occasionally we win a football match.

If we part company this time next year we'll do so knowing that we're safe and sound in the Premier League and if all we have to show for his tenure here is the extra TV money in the coffers and Jonny Evans then so be it. It's a good platform to build from. Providing we don't appoint Alan Irvine again.

I presume we were hopeless again last night? Oh well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 22, 2016, 04:02:41 PM
Durham on talk sport is having a chat about us, he said isnt it time west brom caught up with modern football. its not west brom Durham its pulis :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on April 22, 2016, 04:20:09 PM
We all knew his style of play before he came to West Brom, Christ, we used to moan like hell when he came with his Stoke side and beat us more often than not with what we said was boring football.  Yet many welcomed him with open arms when we signed him in January 2015 and now moan like hell about his style.

Some fans have very short memories.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 22, 2016, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on April 22, 2016, 04:20:09 PM
We all knew his style of play before he came to West Brom, Christ, we used to moan like hell when he came with his Stoke side and beat us more often than not with what we said was boring football.  Yet many welcomed him with open arms when we signed him in January 2015 and now moan like hell about his style.

Some fans have very short memories.

he has a shelf life Kev
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 22, 2016, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 22, 2016, 04:22:02 PM
he has a shelf life Kev

I will give him until next Christmas to show some improvement, if not, in the words of Fagin, 'I'll be reviewing, my situation', for now, I'll run with him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 22, 2016, 05:09:16 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 22, 2016, 04:02:41 PM
Durham on talk sport is having a chat about us, he said isnt it time west brom caught up with modern football. its not west brom Durham its pulis :(

Did you not know we are Tony Pulis FC now? Every time we are on TV now it's "can Tony Pulis get a result here", not "can Albion get a result here". Makes me sick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 22, 2016, 08:25:42 PM
How many people who defend Pulis actually go to the games? Seriously?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on April 22, 2016, 08:44:24 PM
I watched the Arsenal game and I didn't care for the first time since we were relegated in 1986. I cared more when we were in the third division, and I cared a helluva lot more when we lost to Bolton in the playoffs and when we lost 5-0 at home to Liverpool and so on and so on.  He's done what we brought him in for, thanks for that, but I hope he isn't our manager in August, because I'm starting not to care.  I would rather watch Jonny Greening and Igor trying to compete with better players than themselves than proper quality players like Evans, Sessegnon and Rondon having the life sucked out of them with this gridiron "football".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 22, 2016, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 22, 2016, 05:09:16 PM
Did you not know we are Tony Pulis FC now? Every time we are on TV now it's "can Tony Pulis get a result here", not "can Albion get a result here". Makes me sick.
Was the same under Roy...'you know what you're going to get from a Hodgson/Tony Pulis team'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 22, 2016, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on April 22, 2016, 04:29:02 PM
I will give him until next Christmas to show some improvement, if not, in the words of Fagin, 'I'll be reviewing, my situation', for now, I'll run with him.
hope you like hills.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on April 23, 2016, 08:30:08 AM
He literally sucks the joy out of watching Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on April 23, 2016, 09:03:43 AM
Quote from: kris_boing on April 23, 2016, 08:30:08 AM
He literally sucks the joy out of watching Albion.

While I agree with the remark, and I will admit, I am one of those who has voted with their feet and no longer attends, I would also ask though, isn't Pulis merely the logical end point of the pragmatic management road we have been treading since Hodgson?

Mel apart no one has been too vocal about wanting attacking football.

The problem we have us that the club has become focussed on survival, pure and simple, accepting that simply staying up is the height if our ambition in terms of the league.

I am a supporter of JP, however I do think he has this one wrong. We can hope for more than surviving. While I'm not suggesting we can emulate Leicester I do believe that we could t least aim to stay up with some style a la Southampton. It can be done.

Our gates will, I believe, continue to decline while TP remains. We will always be safe under his care, but rarely entertaining and even less interesting.

I hate how we are viewed by others, I detest that we are labelled anti-football and that fans of other clubs who once at least regarded us fondly now see us as brutal thugs (rightly or wrongly, mud sticks). I don't believe Pulis will change the model or his approach to the game. While he is here we are going nowhere, neither up nor down, and everyone who watches it will be seeing nothing but boring, joyless football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 23, 2016, 09:24:42 AM
GIVE THE KIDS A GO TONY !!! On second thoughts maybe not, they have got their career 's a head of them and you could ruin them. PULIS OUT!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 23, 2016, 09:45:03 AM
Quote from: Chipperfan on April 23, 2016, 09:03:43 AM
While I agree with the remark, and I will admit, I am one of those who has voted with their feet and no longer attends, I would also ask though, isn't Pulis merely the logical end point of the pragmatic management road we have been treading since Hodgson?

Mel apart no one has been too vocal about wanting attacking football.

The problem we have us that the club has become focussed on survival, pure and simple, accepting that simply staying up is the height if our ambition in terms of the league.

I am a supporter of JP, however I do think he has this one wrong. We can hope for more than surviving. While I'm not suggesting we can emulate Leicester I do believe that we could t least aim to stay up with some style a la Southampton. It can be done.

Our gates will, I believe, continue to decline while TP remains. We will always be safe under his care, but rarely entertaining and even less interesting.

I hate how we are viewed by others, I detest that we are labelled anti-football and that fans of other clubs who once at least regarded us fondly now see us as brutal thugs (rightly or wrongly, mud sticks). I don't believe Pulis will change the model or his approach to the game. While he is here we are going nowhere, neither up nor down, and everyone who watches it will be seeing nothing but boring, joyless football.

I agree with all of this. Except I don't think that we will always be safe under TP his points totals are nearly always in the low 40's and probably no more than 3 bad refereeing decisions from relegation. There are plenty of games this season on the balance of play we shouldn't have got the result we did and few if any have we walked away with less than we deserved.  Our position under TP may never be terrible but nor will be particularly good either.

Unfortunately the style ,the conservatism is burning good will with the fans who need something other than grinding to 40 points to get excited about. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on April 23, 2016, 11:36:31 AM
Quote from: Standaman on April 23, 2016, 09:45:03 AM
I agree with all of this. Except I don't think that we will always be safe under TP his points totals are nearly always in the low 40's and probably no more than 3 bad refereeing decisions from relegation. There are plenty of games this season on the balance of play we shouldn't have got the result we did and few if any have we walked away with less than we deserved.  Our position under TP may never be terrible but nor will be particularly good either.

Unfortunately the style ,the conservatism is burning good will with the fans who need something other than grinding to 40 points to get excited about. 

Admittedly can't think of many but Liverpool (A), Leicester (H), Chelsea (H) and Spurs (H) maybe?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 23, 2016, 11:48:01 AM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on April 23, 2016, 11:36:31 AM
Admittedly can't think of many but Liverpool (A), Leicester (H), Chelsea (H) and Spurs (H) maybe?
We played well against Spurs and deserved the point. Everton away was a bit of a steal....but this is pretty pointless, if you get the ball in the net more than the other side you deserve what you get.
The way we are going, the final table will probably look as though we've escaped by the skin of our teeth....which isn't the reality.  If we were scrapping for our lives in the last couple of games and our remaining games we'd probably get 5 or 6 more points at least but because we are not scrapping for our lives we probably won't get those points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on April 23, 2016, 12:39:24 PM
When JP signed Tony he was the perfect man to have in change at that time & to prove the point we are still in the prem the following season safe & sound with games left in hand (by playing safe safe negative boring football).
JP's now needs right now to be looking for the next manager/coach who can replace a ageing squad with
better younger players who he trusts to spend the money.
 i'm hoping he's got a very short list of candidates on his deck has i type.
Before we signed AI we were looking at a german guy who seemed to fit the bill nicely (forgot his name)he believed in giving the younger players ago.
In my opinion that's where our future lies, bringing on younger players for a couple of seasons then selling them on. I think this approach would attract the better younger players not only to our 1st team squad but to our academy has well.

Thanks Tony next please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 23, 2016, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: geoff on April 23, 2016, 12:39:24 PM
When JP signed Tony he was the perfect man to have in change at that time & to prove the point we are still in the prem the following season safe & sound with games left in hand (by playing safe safe negative boring football).
JP's now needs right now to be looking for the next manager/coach who can replace a ageing squad with
better younger players who he trusts to spend the money.
 i'm hoping he's got a very short list of candidates on his deck has i type.
Before we signed AI we were looking at a german guy who seemed to fit the bill nicely (forgot his name)he believed in giving the younger players ago.
In my opinion that's where our future lies, bringing on younger players for a couple of seasons then selling them on. I think this approach would attract the better younger players not only to our 1st team squad but to our academy has well.

Thanks Tony next please.

We are talking about a man that appointed Pepe Mel and Alan Irvine before Pulis do you trust him to make the right appointment given the size of the task that faces us as a club? We are desperate for someone with experience to steady the ship, for all of his poor points Pulis is just about kept the ship afloat by any means necessary. When he was appointed I raised my doubts about him for the long term but I personally don't think his work here is finished yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on April 23, 2016, 12:50:43 PM
Unless he sells the club we will have to, by the way i would have given Pepe till xmas before i showed him the door he deserved that at the very least considering we wouldn't allow him to bring his own team with him from the start.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 23, 2016, 12:52:14 PM
I personally think we need to move our focus further away from the manager. I'm more concerned by what is happening behind the scenes when it comes to the way the club is run and especially recruitment, we have suffered from a couple of terrible managerial appointments prior to Pulis and arguably worse player recruitment in that time. We need to hope that we have put into a place systems to improve such areas otherwise we will always be in this kind of position and never be able to move forward. Its all well and good Peace saying they have learnt lessons but the proof will be in the pudding this summer in a marker that will only have got more difficult with the money involved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 23, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: geoff on April 23, 2016, 12:50:43 PM
Unless he sells the club we will have to, by the way i would have given Pepe till xmas before i showed him the door he deserved that at the very least considering we wouldn't allow him to bring his own team with him from the start.

As much as I would have liked to see Mel given a chance the players never gave him one. If the players are working against you then a change is absolutely vital.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on April 23, 2016, 12:58:26 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on April 23, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
As much as I would have liked to see Mel given a chance the players never gave him one. If the players are working against you then a change is absolutely vital.

that's if he would have kept them on at the club, i now if i had been in charge id have replaced the 24 hours after the season had ended
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 23, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on April 23, 2016, 12:45:12 PM
We are talking about a man that appointed Pepe Mel and Alan Irvine before Pulis do you trust him to make the right appointment given the size of the task that faces us as a club? We are desperate for someone with experience to steady the ship, for all of his poor points Pulis is just about kept the ship afloat by any means necessary. When he was appointed I raised my doubts about him for the long term but I personally don't think his work here is finished yet.

I don't believe that just because Peace has a poor record of appointing managers that we should stick with what we have. Personally I would take the gamble on a new man whoever that may be over what we are getting right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 23, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: geoff on April 23, 2016, 12:58:26 PM
that's if he would have kept them on at the club, i now if i had been in charge id have replaced the 24 hours after the season had ended

Because its clearly that easy for us to replace players given our transfer record for the 2 or 3 years prior to him being appointed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 23, 2016, 01:20:05 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 23, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I don't believe that just because Peace has a poor record of appointing managers that we should stick with what we have. Personally I would take the gamble on a new man whoever that may be over what we are getting right now.

It is probably the main reason I'm willing to stick with Pulis for now. As I say I'm more concerned by how the club is being run behind the scenes and player recruitment than the style of football at this point, I've always said Pulis is a short term solution.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on April 23, 2016, 01:28:18 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on April 23, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
Because its clearly that easy for us to replace players given our transfer record for the 2 or 3 years prior to him being appointed.

You can't blame PM for other managers signings or lack of.
New coaching staff plus 2/3 players would have been a step in the right direction for a start
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 23, 2016, 01:42:14 PM
For our resident Clayhead that likes to remind us how many Pulis signings still play for Stoke - four Pulis signings started at Man City, one lost his runner for the first goal and another gave away a penalty.

Oops. :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 23, 2016, 02:08:27 PM
Quote from: geoff on April 23, 2016, 01:28:18 PM
You can't blame PM for other managers signings or lack of.
New coaching staff plus 2/3 players would have been a step in the right direction for a start

I don't blame him or any other manager we have had at this club for our poor transfer business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 23, 2016, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 23, 2016, 01:42:14 PM
For our resident Clayhead that likes to remind us how many Pulis signings still play for Stoke - four Pulis signings started at Man City, one lost his runner for the first goal and another gave away a penalty.

Oops. :o

With the expensive squad they have assembled over the last few years there is no way they should be going through a spell of shipping 14 goals in 4 games yet we are the ones moaning. #HughesOut
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on April 23, 2016, 02:25:25 PM
Have to say i havent seen any evidence of 'hounding out' Pulis?

I havent heard any Pulis out chants, havent seen any banners, no abuse towards him on matchdays, etc, etc?  I think by and large people get behind the team as much as any other fans do of mid table nothing clubs.

Personally i couldnt care less about what happens about Villa, Wolves, Blues, if people want to go that route you could say lets look at Leicester, lets look at Southampton, Stoke, Bournemouth, West Ham, all who have matched what we have done this season and better but with a lot more enjoyment and without the negative approach we have adopted. There are always clubs who are better and clubs who are worse.

As for Pulis, i said previous i like him as a bloke, i respect the job he has done for us and think he was a necessary evil and sorted us out, however in the last 18 months i have seen little evidence to suggest that next season should he be here we will progress in any way on the pitch.

I dont care about all out attacking football or making a thousand passes to keep our possession stats up, having shots on target for the sake of it, those things that sometimes get thrown at Pulis are sometimes just a stick to beat him with.

What i do care about is attempting to do more than just suck the life out of games and kill any enjoyment or entertainment in probably 75% of our games, yes its effective but with the players we have, i do expect more, if that makes me a spoilt fan then so be it but have moved on from the days of Phil Gilchrist, James Chambers and Danny Dichio, we now have a squad with a high calibre of players who are being asked to play like plucky underdogs in the majority of games.

A stoke fan i know once said when Pulis was there, that if he was the manager of a 5 star hotel, he would only offer a 3 star service, basically you would get the most basic service available, it does the job but you get frustrated because you know it could offer so much more, i thought he was a bit weird but i get what he means now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on April 23, 2016, 03:38:27 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on April 23, 2016, 02:25:25 PM

I havent heard any Pulis out chants, havent seen any banners, no abuse towards him on matchdays, etc, etc?


No banners but there were quite a few chants and more than a smattering of abuse away to Newcastle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 23, 2016, 06:13:33 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on April 23, 2016, 02:25:25 PM
Have to say i havent seen any evidence of 'hounding out' Pulis?

I havent heard any Pulis out chants, havent seen any banners, no abuse towards him on matchdays, etc, etc?  I think by and large people get behind the team as much as any other fans do of mid table nothing clubs.


Personally i couldnt care less about what happens about Villa, Wolves, Blues, if people want to go that route you could say lets look at Leicester, lets look at Southampton, Stoke, Bournemouth, West Ham, all who have matched what we have done this season and better but with a lot more enjoyment and without the negative approach we have adopted. There are always clubs who are better and clubs who are worse.

As for Pulis, i said previous i like him as a bloke, i respect the job he has done for us and think he was a necessary evil and sorted us out, however in the last 18 months i have seen little evidence to suggest that next season should he be here we will progress in any way on the pitch.

I dont care about all out attacking football or making a thousand passes to keep our possession stats up, having shots on target for the sake of it, those things that sometimes get thrown at Pulis are sometimes just a stick to beat him with.

What i do care about is attempting to do more than just suck the life out of games and kill any enjoyment or entertainment in probably 75% of our games, yes its effective but with the players we have, i do expect more, if that makes me a spoilt fan then so be it but have moved on from the days of Phil Gilchrist, James Chambers and Danny Dichio, we now have a squad with a high calibre of players who are being asked to play like plucky underdogs in the majority of games.

A stoke fan i know once said when Pulis was there, that if he was the manager of a 5 star hotel, he would only offer a 3 star service, basically you would get the most basic service available, it does the job but you get frustrated because you know it could offer so much more, i thought he was a bit weird but i get what he means now.
Best he continue running hotels?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 23, 2016, 06:18:06 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 23, 2016, 01:42:14 PM
For our resident Clayhead that likes to remind us how many Pulis signings still play for Stoke - four Pulis signings started at Man City, one lost his runner for the first goal and another gave away a penalty.

Oops. :o

That's the mythical next level you're aiming for  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 06:18:53 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on April 23, 2016, 02:25:25 PM
A stoke fan i know once said when Pulis was there, that if he was the manager of a 5 star hotel, he would only offer a 3 star service, basically you would get the most basic service available, it does the job but you get frustrated because you know it could offer so much more, i thought he was a bit weird but i get what he means now.

Only fair to mention he'd most likely turn a 1star hotel into a 3star one too, so it works both ways.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 23, 2016, 06:21:25 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 06:18:53 PM
Only fair to mention he'd most likely turn a 1star hotel into a 3star one too, so it works both ways.

Not really, he would simply ensure it never lost that 1 star!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 06:26:59 PM
Quote from: Aztech on April 23, 2016, 06:21:25 PM
Not really, he would simply ensure it never lost that 1 star!

His points per game record is too good for that to be a valid point. If it was you'd have to concede he has made us far better if all the players ability calculated to one star and he's accrued the points he has.

Therefore I would say we're a 2 star hotel and he's making us a 2 and a half star perhaps 3 star hotel.  Has the hotel metaphor been butchered to death yet? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on April 23, 2016, 06:30:32 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 06:26:59 PM
Has the hotel metaphor been butchered to death yet?

Don't tempt fate.

We may end up with more golf club analogies.
 :).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 23, 2016, 06:30:57 PM
more like a 1 star bored-ing house.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 23, 2016, 06:32:42 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 23, 2016, 06:18:06 PM
That's the mythical next level you're aiming for  ;)

If you can't see that Hughes has progressed Stoke further than Pulis ever could then I give up. Comfortably in the top ten of the English top flight, something your messiah Tactics Tone will never achieve here or anywhere else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 23, 2016, 06:32:42 PM
If you can't see that Hughes has progressed Stoke further than Pulis ever could then I give up. Comfortably in the top ten of the English top flight, something your messiah Tactics Tone will never achieve here or anywhere else.

Lost the last two games by 4-0. Only 7 points better off playing one game more. Not to mentions the vast amounts of money spent and the fact we did the double over them this season.

Stokelad84 clearly needs his brain analysing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 23, 2016, 06:42:06 PM
Celebrating finishing 10th is like celebrating your team tippy tapping their way to 20th. It's mental  :D

Hughes has done a good job in general, but at the moment the defense has equaled Martinez's gung ho Wigan side. Before Butland got injured he had made more saves than any other keeper in the Premier League. If your keeper has to make 5 or 6 top saves every game that should get the alarm bells ringing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 23, 2016, 06:42:06 PM
Celebrating finishing 10th is like celebrating your team tippy tapping their way to 20th. It's mental  :D

Hughes has done a good job in general, but at the moment the defense has equaled Martinez's gung ho Wigan side. Before Butland got injured he had made more saves than any other keeper in the Premier League. If your keeper has to make 5 or 6 top saves every game that should get the alarm bells ringing.

You're right. But I think unfortunately the majority of fans would prefer us to tippy tappy our way to 20th like the Mowbray days. They don't learn from errors from the past. Pulis is far from perfect. He is very pragmatic, but aren't all the best managers? It's easier to play expansive football when you have quality players like Stoke do but some fans won't accept we severely lack quality all over the pitch so we have to compromise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 23, 2016, 07:46:54 PM
Apparently Tony has had a meeting with JP recently ITKs  know anything about this? Was it to congratulate him on getting to the 40 point mark or was there another issues?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 23, 2016, 07:57:59 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 06:35:30 PM
Lost the last two games by 4-0. Only 7 points better off playing one game more. Not to mentions the vast amounts of money spent and the fact we did the double over them this season.

Stokelad84 clearly needs his brain analysing.
your problem there is even with a game in hand we are very unlikely to match them if they lost every game. Stoke SHOULD be celebrating 10th, not only has Hughes got more points this year, he's done something that Pulis failed to do in a decade with equally ridiculous spending in the comparative markets of the time, break the top 10.

if its a results driven business then Hughes has proven he is better than Pulis and that his methods are more successful this year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on April 23, 2016, 07:57:59 PM
your problem there is even with a game in hand we are very unlikely to match them if they lost every game. Stoke SHOULD be celebrating 10th, not only has Hughes got more points this year, he's done something that Pulis failed to do in a decade with equally ridiculous spending in the comparative markets of the time, break the top 10.

if its a results driven business then Hughes has proven he is better than Pulis and that his methods are more successful this year.

If you aren't willing to concede that Stoke have a far superior set of players and resources there's no point in engaging in the argument.

1.34 ppg vs
1.17 ppg

Is hardly a huge difference when you take everything else into account in fact I'd say it show Pulis in a more favourable light. Matching them would empirically prove he is a superior manager in my opinion, something he doesn't need to do in order for that argument to made.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 08:30:54 PM
Leicester may well win the league with the worst pass accuracy and 3rd lowest possession in the Premier league. The difference between us and Leicester is largely the quality of players they have, not style. Pulis cannot be faulted for years and years of bad recruitment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 23, 2016, 08:35:30 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 08:30:54 PM
Leicester may well win the league with the worst pass accuracy and 3rd lowest possession in the Premier league. The difference between us and Leicester is largely the quality of players they have, not style. Pulis cannot be faulted for years and years of bad recruitment.

Agreed.
He can, however, have his chuffing pants pulled down to his ankles for the tedious style of play we have come to adopt under his regime.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on April 23, 2016, 08:35:30 PM
Agreed.
He can, however, have his chuffing pants pulled down to his ankles for the tedious style of play we have come to adopt under his regime.

With better players would we adopt such a style?

If he did I would want him removed but he hasn't had opportunity to demonstrate what he would do. Crystal Palace played some decent stuff when he was there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 23, 2016, 08:50:51 PM
Out of interest, does anyone know what Pulis' points per game is this season in comparison to his half-season last year.

Without using rose-tinted spectacles, if I recall correctly he got a few more wins last year and also played slightly better football. Obviously the clean sheets have dried up a little last year but he seemed to have a better balance last year with the attack as well - albeit we spent less money last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 23, 2016, 09:31:18 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
With better players would we adopt such a style?

If he did I would want him removed but he hasn't had opportunity to demonstrate what he would do. Crystal Palace played some decent stuff when he was there.

Sorry, being thick, or drunk or both. I don't mean to be rude when I ask this at all  but do you think a change of players would make the difference? If so, who would you change? (It's not a trick question. I'm interested).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 09:35:58 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on April 23, 2016, 09:31:18 PM
Sorry, being thick, or drunk or both. I don't mean to be rude when I ask this at all  but do you think a change of players would make the difference? If so, who would you change? (It's not a trick question. I'm interested).

Possibly yes it would.

Better players generally equals better football. Without getting into specifics, most of the squad, they are not good footballers.

I'd keep Evans, G-Mac, Rondon, Yacob, Brunt and Morrison.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 23, 2016, 09:45:45 PM
saw this earlier on twitter
https://twitter.com/richardajkeys/status/723863056812482560
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 23, 2016, 09:46:06 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on April 23, 2016, 09:31:18 PM
Sorry, being thick, or drunk or both. I don't mean to be rude when I ask this at all  but do you think a change of players would make the difference? If so, who would you change? (It's not a trick question. I'm interested).
I think better players would improve us. For instance, James McClean's crossing has something like a 95% chance of failing to find an Albion player, and I believe he's statistically the worst crosser in the league (just watching him you can see the delivery/quality is missing). So if it was someone like Antonio putting the balls in, you can guarentee it would make more chances as they'd be finding our players more.

Obviously McClean will have it tough as when he does cross, a lot of our players won't even be in the box due to our formation, but even still he could do so much better when he gets into crossing positions.

I also think we need a proper left-back who could both attack and defend like Dawson does on the right. Chester can't attack and Brunt is too old and slow to do both.

The question is whether Pulis goes out and buys the quality like he did with Evans and Fletcher, or whether he goes with the square pegs approach such as Chester and McClean.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 09:53:07 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 23, 2016, 09:46:06 PM
I think better players would improve us. For instance, James McClean's crossing has something like a 95% chance of failing to find an Albion player, and I believe he's statistically the worst crosser in the league (just watching him you can see the delivery/quality is missing). So if it was someone like Antonio putting the balls in, you can guarentee it would make more chances as they'd be finding our players more.

Obviously McClean will have it tough as when he does cross, a lot of our players won't even be in the box due to our formation, but even still he could do so much better when he gets into crossing positions.

I also think we need a proper left-back who could both attack and defend like Dawson does on the right. Chester can't attack and Brunt is too old and slow to do both.

The question is whether Pulis goes out and buys the quality like he did with Evans and Fletcher, or whether he goes with the square pegs approach such as Chester and McClean.

James McClean should either be converted to a left back or moved on. He is a perfect example though. Terrific, commendable work rate, severely lacking in quality like a lot of our players.

Pulis won't be given funds to buy the quality we need. No manager will. That's why there is no alternative to Pulis currently. I've said it before but the football under Hodgson was awful, people have very short memories.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on April 23, 2016, 10:35:53 PM
The thing is i dont think we need this massive overhaul of the squad, we have more quality that people think, its just the players are asked to do the bare minimum required, they arent challenged to offer more where as their pedigree suggests they can do more.

One of the problems is we use 14-15 players out of a 25 man squad, Pulis would of had a target to hit 40 points, however he has done it, he has done it and deserve credit for doing that, he knows what those players can do, they have had a good run of games.

However now we have reached that target, surely now would be the time to give other players in the squad a proper chance, yet i have seen nothing to suggest lately that anything other than the 14-15 will still be used.

If we could keep the organisation, discipline and workrate (never can say Pulis teams dont try) and add some postive intent in say 20 games a season instead of 8-10 like we have done this season, i would gladly say keep Pulis, but i dont see anything changing whether he has £200m or £20m, we have achieved our season aim - 40 points, no danger of a cup run or competing for european places, and i think next season will be exactly the same with maybe 1 or 2 different faces.

Now i know there are a lot of clubs in our boat but i dont think its unreasonable to ask multi million pound players to push their comfort zones and approach games in a positive way, not Mowbray tippy tappy which always seems to get thrown in, just some intent to go and take the game to the opposition like we have shown on 8 to 10 occasions this season we are quite capable of doing and not only that, get good results too!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 23, 2016, 10:50:18 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 08:30:54 PM
Leicester may well win the league with the worst pass accuracy and 3rd lowest possession in the Premier league. The difference between us and Leicester is largely the quality of players they have, not style. Pulis cannot be faulted for years and years of bad recruitment.
Remind me how many players Pulis has signed so far and how much they've cost? He's certainly Teflon Tone for some....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on April 23, 2016, 10:50:18 PM
Remind me how many players Pulis has signed so far and how much they've cost? He's certainly Teflon Tone for some....


Dunno but I just criticised one he signed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on April 24, 2016, 09:10:37 AM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 08:30:54 PM
Leicester may well win the league with the worst pass accuracy and 3rd lowest possession in the Premier league. The difference between us and Leicester is largely the quality of players they have, not style. Pulis cannot be faulted for years and years of bad recruitment.

I don't believe that it is down to the quality of players that Leicester have over us, remember most of the same players were involved in a relegation battle last season. So it has to be down to style and application. Ranieri has instilled a no fear attacking attitude into the Leicester players, against any opposition. Where as we set up to fear superior opposition from the start of games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on April 24, 2016, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 23, 2016, 06:32:42 PM
If you can't see that Hughes has progressed Stoke further than Pulis ever could then I give up. Comfortably in the top ten of the English top flight, something your messiah Tactics Tone will never achieve here or anywhere else.

I dont think he has in all fairness however with abit more 'bull by the horns' attitude we could have converted those draws we have into wins and we would be exactly where they are.

For all their open football they have only scored 6 goals more than us but have leaked in 9 more goals and results wise with wins at home against who in fairness people expected us to beat we would have been on 49 points.

I dont think the issues are just down to Pulis, I think the fact Peace wants to sell the club means we are operating well within ourselves again financially which could hiinder our chances of getting our main targets and settling for our second and third choices.

The problem with Hughes is he always seems to be on the verge of taking a side to the next level then results drastically tail off.

This league is so tight its not often between 11th and 16th theres just 2 points in it. Im sure as mentioned in the press there will be a major meeting in the summer to discuss next season and where Pulis and Peace see oourselves, I would imagine the appointment of a new Technical Director will be a major factor in whether both men decide to part ways or stay together and see if the new journey works.

I still think we will see a parting of the ways as Pulis scouting network is a similar one that Peace fell out with Megson over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 24, 2016, 10:21:46 AM
We have the 13th highest wage bill in 15/16 , so simply put, anything worse than 13th is failure for Pulis or at least under achievement . Stoke have 9th highest, Newcastle 7th and Villa 12th.

value for money for wages is a different matter and I think this is where Pulis/ Peace could clash considering Pulis' signings tend to be more likely on much higher wages generally. Therefore , if they're not having a significant impact it's a bigger financial issue.

The more I think, the more I can see Pulus and Peaxe agreeing to part ways unless one if them changes from a long established way of working?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
With better players would we adopt such a style?

If he did I would want him removed but he hasn't had opportunity to demonstrate what he would do. Crystal Palace played some decent stuff when he was there.

The argument that we play this way because of a perceived lack of quality doesn't make sense inmy view and has been an argument on here since Pulis arrived. It doesn't matter what squad we have, it will always play like it does today, because that is what Pulis has done all his career with the exception of half a season at Palace.

Our style will never change under Pulis. This is as good as it gets for the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 24, 2016, 10:44:49 AM
Quote from: darbolina on April 24, 2016, 10:21:46 AM
We have the 13th highest wage bill in 15/16 , so simply put, anything worse than 13th is failure for Pulis or at least under achievement . Stoke have 9th highest, Newcastle 7th and Villa 12th.

value for money for wages is a different matter and I think this is where Pulis/ Peace could clash considering Pulis' signings tend to be more likely on much higher wages generally. Therefore , if they're not having a significant impact it's a bigger financial issue.

The more I think, the more I can see Pulus and Peaxe agreeing to part ways unless one if them changes from a long established way of working?

Peace has already compromised by getting rid of the whole head coach structure to fit in with Pulis. Evans and Rondon will be on a big wage each so Pulis is getting his way bit by bit.

There's a lot of money be used up by the Pocognoli's and Gamboa's who Pulis will never trust. Would Peace really moan if those wasted wages were replaced another high earner like Evans?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 11:22:47 AM
I've just spent an hour or so reading up on recent matches and the coverage that I now choose to miss, and its a thoroughly embarrassing and heart breaking experience.

The least attractive, the lowest possession, the fewest shots, the fewest shots on target and now one of the dirtiest teams in the league.

Staying up playing like this gives me no pride in our team.

The sad thing is that I knew this would happen as soon as Pulis joined. It really kills me to see us turning into this sort of team. I live near Glasgow and even up here its clear that we have now got the reputation as being a negative team that quite honestly the average joe would like to see lose - because who would want a team like us to succeed playing the way we play?

Everyone is different and no-one on either side of the Pulis debate will concede any ground, but for me, this is absolutely the worst period in my 30+ years supporting the club. Worse than Ron Saunders, Bobby Gould..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 24, 2016, 11:47:12 AM
I think the Stoke comparisons are inevitable and generally valid. They are the club in terms of finance that we are most similar to. In the past the Coates family have invested heavily in the supporting the club's day to day operations but given the club is running at a profit they are no longer doing so. Yes, Bet365 are their shirt sponsor but there is nothing to suggest that they are paying more than another sponsor would (unlike Leicester City's owners). Our wage bill is comparable and therefore anything Stoke can do so can we.

 Hughes is not a particularly adventurous manager and I would never regard him as a footballing purist. The fact that  many view Hughes' Stoke as being somehow a revelation in comparison to the side we witnessed under Pulis is a measure of how utterly negative Stoke were under Pulis.

I hope there is a parting of the ways at the end of the season and if that is prompted by transfer spending so be it. However I really don't see it. Peace is happy to be in the Premier League and sees Pulis as the means to that end, Pulis needs the job particularly with the Crystal Palace situation hanging over him, therefore compromises will be made.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 24, 2016, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 24, 2016, 10:44:49 AM
Peace has already compromised by getting rid of the whole head coach structure to fit in with Pulis. Evans and Rondon will be on a big wage each so Pulis is getting his way bit by bit.

There's a lot of money be used up by the Pocognoli's and Gamboa's who Pulis will never trust. Would Peace really moan if those wasted wages were replaced another high earner like Evans?
I'm sure Peace would rather the coach work with all the tools available to him so that money wasn't being wasted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 24, 2016, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 23, 2016, 08:30:54 PM
Leicester may well win the league with the worst pass accuracy and 3rd lowest possession in the Premier league. The difference between us and Leicester is largely the quality of players they have, not style. Pulis cannot be faulted for years and years of bad recruitment.

Quality and more importantly than that pace. Our current set up would work if we ha mahrez and vardy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 24, 2016, 01:06:36 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 24, 2016, 12:09:57 PM
I'm sure Peace would rather the coach work with all the tools available to him so that money wasn't being wasted.

Maybe that's why Burton and his team got the boot? If Irvine and Pulis didn't fancy Gamboa, Blanco and the others that tells me something is wrong with the players and not the people who decided not to pick them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 24, 2016, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 24, 2016, 01:06:36 PM
Maybe that's why Burton and his team got the boot? If Irvine and Pulis didn't fancy Gamboa, Blanco and the others that tells me something is wrong with the players and not the people who decided not to pick them.

Lambert, McManaman and Chester are just three signings made by Pulis, 2 hardly ever play and one only ever plays out of position. Surely Pulis has to accept responsibility.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 24, 2016, 01:54:53 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on April 24, 2016, 12:25:58 PM
Quality and more importantly than that pace. Our current set up would work if we ha mahrez and vardy

Mahrez wouldn't flourish in our side. He'd be too busy holding the hand of one of our full backs. That's if he could get in the side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 24, 2016, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on April 24, 2016, 01:54:53 PM
Mahrez wouldn't flourish in our side. He'd be too busy holding the hand of one of our full backs. That's if he could get in the side.

I would take a bet that Mahrez or rather the next Mahrez won't ever be signed by Pulis so he wouldn't be even in the squad to be ignored over looked and shipped out. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on April 24, 2016, 02:35:44 PM
Quote from: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 11:22:47 AM
I've just spent an hour or so reading up on recent matches and the coverage that I now choose to miss, and its a thoroughly embarrassing and heart breaking experience.

The least attractive, the lowest possession, the fewest shots, the fewest shots on target and now one of the dirtiest teams in the league.

Staying up playing like this gives me no pride in our team.

The sad thing is that I knew this would happen as soon as Pulis joined. It really kills me to see us turning into this sort of team. I live near Glasgow and even up here its clear that we have now got the reputation as being a negative team that quite honestly the average joe would like to see lose - because who would want a team like us to succeed playing the way we play?

Everyone is different and no-one on either side of the Pulis debate will concede any ground, but for me, this is absolutely the worst period in my 30+ years supporting the club. Worse than Ron Saunders, Bobby Gould..

I'm sorry mate but you are talking absolute tripe. If you really think this is worse times at the Albion than under Bobby Gould then you obviously didn't watch many of those games or times. I agree that pulis splits the devide like no other manager has done, but I cannot accept that we are as bad now than then. If you really think putting mowbray or any other of the so called liked managers in the past 20 years would do any better than I'm sorry your way wrong. More than likely we would of been relegated. The players are simply not up to it. Do you really think pulis wants to play negative football? It's a means to an end. We are coming I feel to a cross roads, many of our players need replacing. I feel the bigger issue is not pulis but the man at the top. If we are to play better peace must back pulis this summer or I'm sure he will go anyway as he knows he cannot keep this bunch up. Peace simply has to either put up or sell up I feel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 24, 2016, 02:55:43 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on April 24, 2016, 01:06:36 PM
Maybe that's why Burton and his team got the boot? If Irvine and Pulis didn't fancy Gamboa, Blanco and the others that tells me something is wrong with the players and not the people who decided not to pick them.
Maybe that's what it tells you but that doesn't mean it is the case. ;)

Out of interest, why don't you pick Lambert, McManaman,  or Chester for most of the season and bring in Gnarby,  Pritchard and Sandro to sit on the bench or play with kids?

Maybe Pulis should get the boot?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 24, 2016, 03:08:17 PM
Because I don't have an agenda against him  :)

If Pulis had a 17% win rate like Mel or a 22% win rate like Irvine he should definitely get the boot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 24, 2016, 03:12:17 PM
Quote from: Topman on April 24, 2016, 02:35:44 PM
I'm sorry mate but you are talking absolute tripe. If you really think this is worse times at the Albion than under Bobby Gould then you obviously didn't watch many of those games or times. I agree that pulis splits the devide like no other manager has done, but I cannot accept that we are as bad now than then. If you really think putting mowbray or any other of the so called liked managers in the past 20 years would do any better than I'm sorry your way wrong. More than likely we would of been relegated. The players are simply not up to it. Do you really think pulis wants to play negative football? It's a means to an end. We are coming I feel to a cross roads, many of our players need replacing. I feel the bigger issue is not pulis but the man at the top. If we are to play better peace must back pulis this summer or I'm sure he will go anyway as he knows he cannot keep this bunch up. Peace simply has to either put up or sell up I feel.
Stating the bleeding obvious but no we are not the same team as we were under Gould or any of our managers in recent history. Different leagues, different levels, different standard of players but does that make Pulis a better coach than Gould? I'm pretty certain Gould never got relegated from the top flight as manager and won an FA Cup  ;) Comparing apples and pears.

We should be in a position where we have the strongest squad in our history  (and with the majority of them capped or current internationals it would be difficult to argue that it is not) and admittedly we are playing in one of the strongest leagues in the world but the standard of football provided, in comparison, is way below the level of other coaches.....and p boring.

(Oh and I wouldn't take Gould back, the original Tony Pulis)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: botters on April 24, 2016, 09:10:37 AM
I don't believe that it is down to the quality of players that Leicester have over us, remember most of the same players were involved in a relegation battle last season. So it has to be down to style and application. Ranieri has instilled a no fear attacking attitude into the Leicester players, against any opposition. Where as we set up to fear superior opposition from the start of games.

Leicester have the worst pass accuracy in the league and third worst possession. So what style do you refer to?

What Leicester have is Vardy, Mahrez and Kante. Genuine quality players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 03:47:06 PM
In recent years the best managers we've had have been Megson, Hodgson and Pulis.

All of them played God awful football. I don't think it's a prerequisite of a good coach but it seems to be commonplace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 04:17:20 PM
Quote from: Topman on April 24, 2016, 02:35:44 PM
I'm sorry mate but you are talking absolute tripe. If you really think this is worse times at the Albion than under Bobby Gould then you obviously didn't watch many of those games or times. I agree that pulis splits the devide like no other manager has done, but I cannot accept that we are as bad now than then. If you really think putting mowbray or any other of the so called liked managers in the past 20 years would do any better than I'm sorry your way wrong. More than likely we would of been relegated. The players are simply not up to it. Do you really think pulis wants to play negative football? It's a means to an end. We are coming I feel to a cross roads, many of our players need replacing. I feel the bigger issue is not pulis but the man at the top. If we are to play better peace must back pulis this summer or I'm sure he will go anyway as he knows he cannot keep this bunch up. Peace simply has to either put up or sell up I feel.


Yes. His 20+ year career suggests that is exactly what he wants to do. To suggest Peace is the issue is ridiculous. Given how much Pulis has wasted if I were Peace I would think very carefully before letting Pulis spend another penny.

As for the comparison with Gould - ok we were divisions below where we are now and Gould was a hugely unpopular manager, but even he tried to win games, and ultimately my view is not tripe because it is my opinion and not yours, and this is the lowest I have felt about Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 24, 2016, 04:20:51 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 23, 2016, 08:50:51 PM
Out of interest, does anyone know what Pulis' points per game is this season in comparison to his half-season last year.

Without using rose-tinted spectacles, if I recall correctly he got a few more wins last year and also played slightly better football. Obviously the clean sheets have dried up a little last year but he seemed to have a better balance last year with the attack as well - albeit we spent less money last season.

Points this season - 40 (from 34 games)
Points last season - 26 (from 18 games)

Points per game this season - 1.17
Points per game last season - 1.44

At the moment we are 5 games without a win, which I don't think has happened before with us under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 24, 2016, 04:40:27 PM
Quote from: MarkW on April 24, 2016, 04:20:51 PM
Points this season - 40 (from 34 games)
Points last season - 26 (from 18 games)

Points per game this season - 1.17
Points per game last season - 1.44

At the moment we are 5 games without a win, which I don't think has happened before with us under Pulis.
according to transfermarkt, this is the 3rd time in the league we've gone 5 games without a win this season. but we regularly got draws.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/west-bromwich-albion/spielplan/verein/984/plus/0?saison_id=2015
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on April 24, 2016, 04:43:10 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
Leicester have the worst pass accuracy in the league and third worst possession. So what style do you refer to?

What Leicester have is Vardy, Mahrez and Kante. Genuine quality players.

Football is not just about possession or passing accuracy. Leicester play a counter attacking game with wide players' and also by getting their full backs forward. They apply themselves to the style of game that they play far better than us as we are supposed to play a counter attacking game but we do not get our players supporting our forwards quickly the way that Leicester do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 24, 2016, 04:46:31 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on April 24, 2016, 04:40:27 PM
according to transfermarkt, this is the 3rd time in the league we've gone 5 games without a win this season. but we regularly got draws.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/west-bromwich-albion/spielplan/verein/984/plus/0?saison_id=2015

I was using that as my source but only scanned it! Right you are

If we lose tomorrow then 6 games without a win will be our longest streak under Pulis without a win, yes?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on April 24, 2016, 05:26:19 PM
Quote from: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 04:17:20 PM
Yes. His 20+ year career suggests that is exactly what he wants to do. To suggest Peace is the issue is ridiculous. Given how much Pulis has wasted if I were Peace I would think very carefully before letting Pulis spend another penny.

As for the comparison with Gould - ok we were divisions below where we are now and Gould was a hugely unpopular manager, but even he tried to win games, and ultimately my view is not tripe because it is my opinion and not yours, and this is the lowest I have felt about Albion.

Firstly, if this is the lowest you've felt then you obviously weren't at bath when we got relegated to the third for the first time or when we mathematically could not reach the play offs in the third the following season. To suggest the club is worse now than then is laughable. I'm no lover of pulis, and at times his tactics and selections scratch my head, but you talk about wasting money on transfer but everyone knows that peace will not push the boat out. This summer you watch as our fans will moan as teams like Bournemouth will buy better than us which when you consider how long we have been in this division compared to them is a joke. He is the problem and I feel pulis will walk because he knows what is needed and won't be backed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 24, 2016, 05:35:26 PM
Quote from: MarkW on April 24, 2016, 04:46:31 PM
I was using that as my source but only scanned it! Right you are

If we lose tomorrow then 6 games without a win will be our longest streak under Pulis without a win, yes?
pretty much, but purely on a results basis its not so bad.

also, if we take it as fact that we don't win a game this season as some suggest, Pulis finishes the season with a win percentage of around 26%, to Irvine's 21%

For fun i looked if Irvine's stats after 19 games(21.05%) would've kept us up (naturally this would be subject to the average upswing in results from lower clubs beating safe teams that arguably Pulis took advantage in the latter half of last season of but i cannot calculate that).

Irvine Would be relegated, but by a single point at 34 to Hull's 35 if we picked points up at a consistent rate, which is doubtful over that course of time and the threat of relegation raising performance as stated above which could be 2 wins and some draws difference, which would've seen him safe at around that 40 point mark.

Then did the same with Pulis after 19 games and by that average (which is just for comparison) we should be aiming for a finish of 46 points by season's end (again, not taking into account the average downturn a safe team has at season's end)which by results over the last 5 years gets you between 11th and 15th, which suggests that the players ability is irrelevant as he has consistently reached this with massively varying teams for over a decade, however, that also suggests that Pulis is incapable of anything more for the same reason.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 05:45:58 PM
Quote from: botters on April 24, 2016, 04:43:10 PM
Football is not just about possession or passing accuracy. Leicester play a counter attacking game with wide players' and also by getting their full backs forward. They apply themselves to the style of game that they play far better than us as we are supposed to play a counter attacking game but we do not get our players supporting our forwards quickly the way that Leicester do.

Do we have the players to what they do?

No.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 24, 2016, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 05:45:58 PM
Do we have the players to what they do?

No.
will pulis buy those type of players, doubtful.
why, because its all about graft and having 75% of the team being defensive. preferably with four centre halves two holding midfielders and two wide men covering our fullbacks, it doesn't leave a lot of attacking places to fill does it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 05:57:16 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 24, 2016, 05:55:31 PM
will pulis buy those type of players, doubtful.
why, because its all about graft and having 75% of the team being defensive. preferably with four centre halves two holding midfielders and two wide men covering our fullbacks, it doesn't leave a lot of attacking places to fill does it.

He may have hoped Rondon could do what Vardy does and Mcmanaman would be Albrightonesque.

Simply no way of knowing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 24, 2016, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 05:57:16 PM
He may have hoped Rondon could do what Vardy does and Mcmanaman would be Albrightonesque.

Simply no way of knowing.

We really would need to sack our scouts if they thought Rondon was a similar type of player to Vardy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 06:04:45 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 24, 2016, 06:02:12 PM
We really would need to sack our scouts if they thought Rondon was a similar type of player to Vardy.

We did sack them not long ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 24, 2016, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 05:57:16 PM
He may have hoped Rondon could do what Vardy does and Mcmanaman would be Albrightonesque.

Simply no way of knowing.
but surely when you spend £12m on a striker you know if he's got pace or not, Mcmanaman is a £5m pulis signing but has chosen not to play him because he would rather have  a grafter like gardner who will cover the full back who really is a centre half.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on April 24, 2016, 06:05:05 PM
but surely when you spend £12m on a striker you know if he's got pace or not, Mcmanaman is a £5m pulis signing but has chosen not to play him because he would rather have  a grafter like gardner who will cover the full back who really is a centre half.

Well Rondon is no slouch but tbf Vardy is very, very quick.

More likely because he was not happy with his fitness and attitude. Albrighton and Mahrez both get back to defend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on April 24, 2016, 06:10:59 PM
McManaman started the season but then fell out of favour after a 'dive' cant remember who it was against, perhaps he didnt take too kindly to his managers criticism and has refused to train correctly.

To be fair what ive seen of him since those early games hes seemed to have gone backwards and that is entirely is own doing.

Im still convinced we didnt get the main targets in the summer and Pulis had to settle for second and third choices.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 06:13:47 PM
Does anyone think Pulis likes Sessegnon?

I don't. He plays him because we have no other creative players, so to say he isn't willing to play "creative" players over workers is a unfair accusation.

In fairness to Sess he has worked a lot harder on the defensive side so he has kept picking him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 24, 2016, 06:14:33 PM
Leicester winning the title, Palace in the cup final and we are told we should be happy with 40 points. How depressing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 06:27:06 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 24, 2016, 06:14:33 PM
Leicester winning the title, Palace in the cup final and we are told we should be happy with 40 points. How depressing.


Stoke City, Everton, Chelsea, Sunderland, Villa, Newcasle, Norwich.

I'm sure are as equally depressed. We're nothing special.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on April 24, 2016, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 06:13:47 PM

In fairness to Sess he has worked a lot harder on the defensive side so he has kept picking him.

Roy had the same relationship with Thomas who he heavily criticised and he went and worked at his game and played most weeks under Roy after that.

Perhaps Pulis was looking for similar with McMananaman.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 06:33:27 PM
Quote from: Dudleylad on April 24, 2016, 06:28:47 PM
Roy had the same relationship with Thomas who he heavily criticised and he went and worked at his game and played most weeks under Roy after that.

Perhaps Pulis was looking for similar with McMananaman.

Exactly.

I've heard Pulis, when he was at Stoke, saying something along the lines of "that clubs in their position have to buy players who are rough around the edges and polish them up a bit"

Obvious stuff. We aren't going to be able to buy the finished article so we have to hope players like McManaman will get fitter, defend better ect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on April 24, 2016, 06:36:14 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 05:45:58 PM
Do we have the players to what they do?

No.

We may well have but Pulis doesn't play them.Ranieri has done a wonderful job with players that struggled to avoid relegation last season, and were many peoples tip for relegation this season. So it is down then to being a better coach by implementing a playing style that suits the players that he has. Does Pulis utilise the players he has to the best of their ability. Answer NO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: botters on April 24, 2016, 06:36:14 PM
We may well have but Pulis doesn't play them.Ranieri has done a wonderful job with players that struggled to avoid relegation last season, and were many peoples tip for relegation this season. So it is down then to being a better coach by implementing a playing style that suits the players that he has. Does Pulis utilise the players he has to the best of their ability. Answer NO.

The worst passing accuracy in the league and third worst possession.

You could just as easily argue Pulis has done a wonderful job with his point per game total. Or Watford or Bournmouth so please don't get hung up on Leicester

What Ranieri has done this season is a total anomaly, so it seems pointless to compare. Perhaps if our passing accuracy gets worse we will achieve what they have?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 24, 2016, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 06:27:06 PM

Stoke City, Everton, Chelsea, Sunderland, Villa, Newcasle, Norwich.

I'm sure are as equally depressed. We're nothing special.

We're nothing special? And Leicester and Palace are?

The lack of ambition shown by this club is pathetic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 06:47:32 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 24, 2016, 06:45:38 PM
We're nothing special? And Leicester and Palace are?

The lack of ambition shown by this club is pathetic.

Villa got to the final last year if only we could match their ambition.

What Leicester have done this year is a total one off and they haven't exactly spent millions to do it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 24, 2016, 06:51:10 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 06:47:32 PM
Villa got to the final last year if only we could match their ambition.

What Leicester have done this year is a total one off and they haven't exactly spent millions to do it.

Are you seriously happy with the direction that this club is going? How do you define progress?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 06:51:48 PM
Quote from: Topman on April 24, 2016, 05:26:19 PM
Firstly, if this is the lowest you've felt then you obviously weren't at bath when we got relegated to the third for the first time or when we mathematically could not reach the play offs in the third the following season. To suggest the club is worse now than then is laughable. I'm no lover of pulis, and at times his tactics and selections scratch my head, but you talk about wasting money on transfer but everyone knows that peace will not push the boat out. This summer you watch as our fans will moan as teams like Bournemouth will buy better than us which when you consider how long we have been in this division compared to them is a joke. He is the problem and I feel pulis will walk because he knows what is needed and won't be backed

Would appreciate it if you could tone it down a bit.

Whether or not I was at bath or not, whether or not I have seen Kevin Steggles and Barry Cowdrill play for our club, or got excited about a Liverpool loanee John Durnin, the relegations, the near misses, the appalling 12-13 game run of defeats, the loss of Maresca, the sale of Goodman, Kilbane, Hughes and everything he did, the excitement of Lloyd Dyer, the high of the appointment of Ardiles and the devastation of losing him...

...regardless of what I have or haven't done, seen or been at, it is a fact that this is the lowest I have felt being an Albion fan. That's a fact that you can't argue with and you are in no position to debate it.

I have always been proud of our team, and you can tell me that under Megson and Hodgson we played similarly negative football, but we just didn't. Playing 4 centre backs, a defensive and narrow midfield, signing players and not playing the, poorest discipline, poorest possession, shots, poorest experience watching a game...

The rest of your post is typical one-eyed pro Pulis nonsense. If we play rubbish, become the nations most hated team but stay up, then you are happy because it will always be about not having the right players etc etc. Fine. And from your comments above I can only assume that you are a home and away season ticket holder, and if you are prepared to pay a fortune to watch rubbish just because we get to stay in this magnificent league then that's entirely up to you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 24, 2016, 06:55:42 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 24, 2016, 06:51:10 PM
Are you seriously happy with the direction that this club is going? How do you define progress?

We're on an upward trajectory from Christmas 2014. Even the most ardent Pulis advocates have always said that next season will be the one to decide whether we stick or twist.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 06:57:22 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 06:42:47 PM
The worst passing accuracy in the league and third worst possession.

You could just as easily argue Pulis has done a wonderful job with his point per game total. Or Watford or Bournmouth so please don't get hung up on Leicester

What Ranieri has done this season is a total anomaly, so it seems pointless to compare. Perhaps if our passing accuracy gets worse we will achieve what they have?

My take on it is that when I watch Leicester they look to break really quickly, and by that I mean they get the ball, turn and try and find an immediate pass forward. They break really quickly, and its exciting, and the passes they try are through small gaps, so its no surprise to me that their pass completion is poorer, because they try the difficult ball more often.

We don't do that. When we win the ball back, generally speaking we play the ball across midfield, then across the back, and because of the lack of movement we then hump the ball out for a throw in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 24, 2016, 07:00:34 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 24, 2016, 06:55:42 PM
We're on an upward trajectory from Christmas 2014. Even the most ardent Pulis advocates have always said that next season will be the one to decide whether we stick or twist.

Our points to games ratio (which the pro Pulis brigade adore so much) has been lower this season than it was the second half of last season. The style is categorically, undoubtedly worse than last season. Please tell me how we have progressed since May?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on April 24, 2016, 07:04:00 PM
Quote
What Leicester have done this year is a total one off and they haven't exactly spent millions to do it.

No they haven't spent millions doing, it but they spent more than we did, as did every other team in the Premier League.

While the purse strings are kept as tight as a guitar string we're always going to struggle, regardless of who the manager is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 07:05:05 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 24, 2016, 06:51:10 PM
Are you seriously happy with the direction that this club is going? How do you define progress?

I think the football is abhorrent at times. I detest watching it.

Like Jacko mentioned I think next season is the real litmus test. I expect an improvement in playing style. More goals scored, a tighter defence, at least a few more talented individuals on board (I reserve the right to blame recruitment and not Pulis for this), better home and away form and finally closer to 50 points if not achieving it.

If our football gets worse (if that's even possible) and our form declines I will want him gone.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 07:09:26 PM
Quote from: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 06:57:22 PM
My take on it is that when I watch Leicester they look to break really quickly, and by that I mean they get the ball, turn and try and find an immediate pass forward. They break really quickly, and its exciting, and the passes they try are through small gaps, so its no surprise to me that their pass completion is poorer, because they try the difficult ball more often.

We don't do that. When we win the ball back, generally speaking we play the ball across midfield, then across the back, and because of the lack of movement we then hump the ball out for a throw in.

Pulis wants to play a similar passing game to Leicester.

Who's fault is it we can't? Players or Pulis? Even if you hate Pulis you can't say it's all because of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 07:15:10 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 07:09:26 PM
Pulis wants to play a similar passing game to Leicester.

Who's fault is it we can't? Players or Pulis? Even if you hate Pulis you can't say it's all because of him.

Rightly or wrongly, I do blame Pulis. I think that we have some players who are decent passers - some get a game, some don't. I also think he sets out a style that discourages movement and therefore a passing game, and encourages more 50/50 long balls. Pulis has also had a fair few quid to spend to bring the players that would deliver the kind of style he wants, but by the looks of the players he has bought, I'm not sure what his strategy was. Pulis has his style and I don't know why anyone thinks it will be any different to how we play now. We will play just the same next year in my view, regardless of new signings.

On Leicester, I don't necessarily think Leicester play a passing game, I just think that when they break they break with real intent and are incisive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 07:23:39 PM
Quote from: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 07:15:10 PM
Rightly or wrongly, I do blame Pulis. I think that we have some players who are decent passers - some get a game, some don't. I also think he sets out a style that discourages movement and therefore a passing game, and encourages more 50/50 long balls. Pulis has also had a fair few quid to spend to bring the players that would deliver the kind of style he wants, but by the looks of the players he has bought, I'm not sure what his strategy was. Pulis has his style and I don't know why anyone thinks it will be any different to how we play now. We will play just the same next year in my view, regardless of new signings.

On Leicester, I don't necessarily think Leicester play a passing game, I just think that when they break they break with real intent and are incisive.

He bought Fletcher, who playing at Man United, you'd presume could pass.  Evans who is one of the best passers in the team.

He didn't buy, but would play, Brunt who can pass a ball. Morrison has been injured most of the season who is one of our most incisive passers. 

So again not all Pulis' fault. I've heard him mention time and again how disappointed he is with the passing.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 24, 2016, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 07:15:10 PM
Rightly or wrongly, I do blame Pulis. I think that we have some players who are decent passers - some get a game, some don't. I also think he sets out a style that discourages movement and therefore a passing game, and encourages more 50/50 long balls. Pulis has also had a fair few quid to spend to bring the players that would deliver the kind of style he wants, but by the looks of the players he has bought, I'm not sure what his strategy was. Pulis has his style and I don't know why anyone thinks it will be any different to how we play now. We will play just the same next year in my view, regardless of new signings.

On Leicester, I don't necessarily think Leicester play a passing game, I just think that when they break they break with real intent and are incisive.

When we have the chance to break..We pass the ball sideways or backwards.
This allows the opposition to retreat into their defensive half, and it means we have to beat 11 men time and time again.
This is where I am frustrated with our midfield.
(Perhaps this is one of the reasons I think that Fletcher is a poor player and leader).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 07:30:33 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on April 24, 2016, 07:25:39 PM
When we have the chance to break..We pass the ball sideways or backwards.
This allows the opposition to retreat into their defensive half, and it means we have to beat 11 men time and time again.
This is where I am frustrated with our midfield.
(Perhaps this is one of the reasons I think that Fletcher is a poor player and leader).

I agree with this and I think Pulis has mentioned again and again he wants them to move the ball quicker, they just aren't good enough. 0 goals from counter attacks says it all.

The one area I will criticise him is Dawson at right back who has a woeful pass completion record.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on April 24, 2016, 07:56:23 PM
Quote from: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 06:57:22 PM
My take on it is that when I watch Leicester they look to break really quickly, and by that I mean they get the ball, turn and try and find an immediate pass forward. They break really quickly, and its exciting, and the passes they try are through small gaps, so its no surprise to me that their pass completion is poorer, because they try the difficult ball more often.

We don't do that. When we win the ball back, generally speaking we play the ball across midfield, then across the back, and because of the lack of movement we then hump the ball out for a throw in.

There was a point in the first half against Watford when we were in their half but there was zero movement ,none , eventually the ball went out wide right and we lost it .

They can argue to the contrary as much as they like but the emphasis of the coaching is on zero risk whereby we concentrate on stopping the opposition first and foremost .

We actually had a situation against Arsenal whereby Dawson took a throw in and it went straight to an Arsenal player .

So so poor how the football will improve I don't know .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 24, 2016, 07:57:17 PM
The first thing you need for good passing is movement and people making themselves available.
Re Dawson, very often his only option is the longish pass for one of the strikers to make a run and get on the end of.
It's the problem with stats, Yacob can pass it 5 yards and have great stats. Dawson pretty often ploughs a bit of a lone path down the right....he's doing a pretty good job there for us in my book.....on balance of involvement, defending and getting up and down the pitch he's done better than Brunt/Chester/Evans have down the left.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on April 24, 2016, 08:13:14 PM
Quote from: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 06:51:48 PM
Would appreciate it if you could tone it down a bit.

Whether or not I was at bath or not, whether or not I have seen Kevin Steggles and Barry Cowdrill play for our club, or got excited about a Liverpool loanee John Durnin, the relegations, the near misses, the appalling 12-13 game run of defeats, the loss of Maresca, the sale of Goodman, Kilbane, Hughes and everything he did, the excitement of Lloyd Dyer, the high of the appointment of Ardiles and the devastation of losing him...

...regardless of what I have or haven't done, seen or been at, it is a fact that this is the lowest I have felt being an Albion fan. That's a fact that you can't argue with and you are in no position to debate it.

I have always been proud of our team, and you can tell me that under Megson and Hodgson we played similarly negative football, but we just didn't. Playing 4 centre backs, a defensive and narrow midfield, signing players and not playing the, poorest discipline, poorest possession, shots, poorest experience watching a game...

The rest of your post is typical one-eyed pro Pulis nonsense. If we play rubbish, become the nations most hated team but stay up, then you are happy because it will always be about not having the right players etc etc. Fine. And from your comments above I can only assume that you are a home and away season ticket holder, and if you are prepared to pay a fortune to watch rubbish just because we get to stay in this magnificent league then that's entirely up to you.

First of all I respect your views, apologies if you felt it personal. In my post I say I am far from a pulis lover, and some of tactics/ selections leave me scratching my head. lets get rid of him then, can you seriously tell me who's going to come in and do better with these players? The best we could hope for is yet again a manager out of work, because our chairman will not pay compensation and if he did it would be a risk appointment, with someone like Rowett maybe the very best we could hope for, but despite his very decent year at blues would he come? I don't agree with Merson as he usually talks rubbish but we really need to be careful what we wish for here. Get it wrong in the summer and this time next year we'll be down, with fans saying its horrid to be losing games 4 3 when we are 3 up with ten mins to go. I personally do not want to go back to mowbrays days of you are hanging on by a thread, but I agree pulis needs to build now going foward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 07:23:39 PM
He bought Fletcher, who playing at Man United, you'd presume could pass.  Evans who is one of the best passers in the team.

He didn't buy, but would play, Brunt who can pass a ball. Morrison has been injured most of the season who is one of our most incisive passers. 

So again not all Pulis' fault. I've heard him mention time and again how disappointed he is with the passing.

Good points. I would say though that its hard to list too many more, and of Morrison and Brunt, both have been been the subject of debate by fans as to whether they are good enough. The fact that they are two of our best passers shows how far the rest of the squad has declined.

I think Evans is quite a cultured player and probably our classiest player, and Fletcher does as much as he can and is worth is place in my view as he is the only dynamic midfielder we have. From what i have seen some of our fringe players may be better on the ball but dont suit Pulis style football.

I dont know if you remember but when Gardner joined there was a bit of a love in about him in his early spell under Irvine. I was actually one to say that i wasnt sure wat he offered, but he was certainly better in midfield than he is on the wing and i dont think he is a terrible passer.

After that, add the 7 or 8 players signed by Pulis and its hard to see how he has addressed the balance issue he spoke about when he first joined. I would argue that the squad is now more unbalanced that it was when he arrived.

I see safey and boredom, whereas I want attacking intent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: Topman on April 24, 2016, 08:13:14 PM
First of all I respect your views, apologies if you felt it personal. In my post I say I am far from a pulis lover, and some of tactics/ selections leave me scratching my head. lets get rid of him then, can you seriously tell me who's going to come in and do better with these players? The best we could hope for is yet again a manager out of work, because our chairman will not pay compensation and if he did it would be a risk appointment, with someone like Rowett maybe the very best we could hope for, but despite his very decent year at blues would he come? I don't agree with Merson as he usually talks rubbish but we really need to be careful what we wish for here. Get it wrong in the summer and this time next year we'll be down, with fans saying its horrid to be losing games 4 3 when we are 3 up with ten mins to go. I personally do not want to go back to mowbrays days of you are hanging on by a thread, but I agree pulis needs to build now going foward.

No problem. Sorry mate - I get a bit frustrated with all things Albion at the moment!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 24, 2016, 08:41:29 PM
If I see one more comparison between Pulis and Mowbray I think I'm going to scream.

THERE IS A MIDDLE GROUND!!!!!! It is not one or the other, just like it's not Pulis or relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 24, 2016, 08:46:19 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 24, 2016, 08:41:29 PM
If I see one more comparison between Pulis and Mowbray I think I'm going to scream.

THERE IS A MIDDLE GROUND!!!!!! It is not one or the other, just like it's not Pulis or relegation.

I think Mowbray would certainly get this current team playing better football than Pulis does, wouldn't you agree Lloydy?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 24, 2016, 08:53:48 PM
Pulls' tactics are like Ranieri and i actually quite like that style of football. Its quick and exciting and in your face. One team is completely effective at it the other is completely the opposite.

With the addition of some full backs, wingers, pacy striker and a midfield dynamo could it all click in next season.

I'll give him the summer and up until christmas to convince me. No improvement then he's got to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 24, 2016, 09:04:57 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 24, 2016, 08:41:29 PM
If I see one more comparison between Pulis and Mowbray I think I'm going to scream.

THERE IS A MIDDLE GROUND!!!!!! It is not one or the other, just like it's not Pulis or relegation.

 :D Been saying the same for months. Barcelona is the other ridiculous comparison that keeps popping up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 24, 2016, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 24, 2016, 08:41:29 PM
If I see one more comparison between Pulis and Mowbray I think I'm going to scream.

THERE IS A MIDDLE GROUND!!!!!! It is not one or the other, just like it's not Pulis or relegation.
He has been compared with the other failures we have had since to be fair.
We have have had 3 good managers 1.Megson who got us here.2.Hodgson who organized the team and 3.Pulis who has done the business. The rest were not up to it simple as.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 24, 2016, 09:32:45 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 24, 2016, 08:53:48 PM
Pulls' tactics are like Ranieri and i actually quite like that style of football. Its quick and exciting and in your face. One team is completely effective at it the other is completely the opposite.

With the addition of some full backs, wingers, pacy striker and a midfield dynamo could it all click in next season.

I'll give him the summer and up until christmas to convince me. No improvement then he's got to go.

Leicester commit players forward we simply don't there is no comparison and changing the personnel won't change that.

Quote from: Xpresso on April 24, 2016, 07:04:00 PM
No they haven't spent millions doing, it but they spent more than we did, as did every other team in the Premier League.

While the purse strings are kept as tight as a guitar string we're always going to struggle, regardless of who the manager is.

Not factually correct. We out spent Palace and matched Leicester's spending (oddly enough 2 of their bigger money signings have made virtually zero contribution to their season) We have a wage bill which matches both of these clubs.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 24, 2016, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: Standaman on April 24, 2016, 09:32:45 PM

Not factually correct. We out spent Palace and matched Leicester's spending (oddly enough 2 of their bigger money signings have made virtually zero contribution to their season) We have a wage bill which matches both of these clubs.

Probably why we're higher in the league

Leicester is a total one off. Unless you seriously think we should have been competing for the league I don't see the need for the comparison. Practically everyone spent more than Leicester. Shame on everyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 24, 2016, 10:34:46 PM
If we could stop the debate for a few seconds...

Does anyone know what happened about getting in a director of football? I remember a few months back it was announced that the club were currently looking for a new technical director. It seems to have gone flat for now, so I wondered if it was dead in the water or what?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 24, 2016, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 24, 2016, 10:34:46 PM
If we could stop the debate for a few seconds...

Does anyone know what happened about getting in a director of football? I remember a few months back it was announced that the club were currently looking for a new technical director. It seems to have gone flat for now, so I wondered if it was dead in the water or what?
probably won't be any word until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 24, 2016, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 24, 2016, 08:53:48 PM
Pulls' tactics are like Ranieri and i actually quite like that style of football. Its quick and exciting and in your face. One team is completely effective at it the other is completely the opposite.

With the addition of some full backs, wingers, pacy striker and a midfield dynamo could it all click in next season.

I'll give him the summer and up until christmas to convince me. No improvement then he's got to go.

His record at Stoke would suggest not.

On Ranieri, how close were we to appointing him a few years ago when I think he was managing Monaco?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on April 25, 2016, 12:19:04 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 24, 2016, 08:53:48 PM
Pulls' tactics are like Ranieri and i actually quite like that style of football. Its quick and exciting and in your face. One team is completely effective at it the other is completely the opposite.

With the addition of some full backs, wingers, pacy striker and a midfield dynamo could it all click in next season.

I'll give him the summer and up until christmas to convince me. No improvement then he's got to go.

I'm not sure where the myth is that Pulis likes counter attacking football. We don't set up to be effective at that at all considering how rigidly defensive the midfield is. How many goals have we actually scored on the counter attack? I remember there was a stat that Palace scored the fewest counter attack goals in the league too under him.

In general I'd say we're desperately poor at transitioning from back to front. Largely as a result of the fact our midfield is so deep 90% of the time they simply can't support a counter attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on April 25, 2016, 09:20:57 AM
I think we look a decent when we up the tempo and play with a pliable 3 man forward line i.e Saido Rondon Sessegnon which can move into a 4-5-1, 4-3-3....its the committing men forward Pulis doesnt like as he likes his team to hold a shape...but when we play with the tempo and those 3 forwards have good games we look a very decent team capable of beating anyone on our day

If we can add 2 forward\winger players like Phillips and a.nother, a midfield playmaker but a strong one then I would like to see us playing with the kind of tempo Leicester do as we will then be a team to beat
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 25, 2016, 10:28:38 AM
He trains them for stamina. (Up hills etc).
The players who can't last the full 90 minutes can be substituted, as the other teams do.
We need sprinters who can chase a ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 25, 2016, 10:34:21 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on April 25, 2016, 10:28:38 AM
He trains them for stamina. (Up hills etc).
The players who can't last the full 90 minutes can be substituted, as the other teams do.
We need sprinters who can chase a ball.


Hill training is normally interval based which increases your VO2 max i.e good for sprinting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 25, 2016, 10:57:22 AM
If we finish the season with 7 straight defeats, can he survive? Not sure anyone else would have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 25, 2016, 11:25:33 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 24, 2016, 08:53:48 PM
Pulls' tactics are like Ranieri and i actually quite like that style of football. Its quick and exciting and in your face. One team is completely effective at it the other is completely the opposite.

With the addition of some full backs, wingers, pacy striker and a midfield dynamo could it all click in next season.

I'll give him the summer and up until christmas to convince me. No improvement then he's got to go.

Pulis...quick...exciting...in your face? Not sure you are talking about the right person there.

Why do people seem to think that we will add full backs, wingers, midfield dynamo's? Living in cloud cuckoo land, when has Pulis ever gone down the route of buying those players, or should I say using those players when he has bought them. Tuncay springs to mind as the creativity that Pulis had no time for.

Ultimately, he had a transfer window, signed Chester as a full back. That should be enough to see what is coming over the upcoming summer with him in charge.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 25, 2016, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: Dan on April 25, 2016, 12:19:04 AM
I'm not sure where the myth is that Pulis likes counter attacking football. We don't set up to be effective at that at all considering how rigidly defensive the midfield is. How many goals have we actually scored on the counter attack? I remember there was a stat that Palace scored the fewest counter attack goals in the league too under him.

In general I'd say we're desperately poor at transitioning from back to front. Largely as a result of the fact our midfield is so deep 90% of the time they simply can't support a counter attack.

Spot on mate. Sick of hearing that TP is some great counter attacking genius.  Can count on one hand the amount of counter attacks we have pulled off under him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 25, 2016, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on April 25, 2016, 11:25:33 AM
Pulis...quick...exciting...in your face? Not sure you are talking about the right person there.

Why do people seem to think that we will add full backs, wingers, midfield dynamo's? Living in cloud cuckoo land, when has Pulis ever gone down the route of buying those players, or should I say using those players when he has bought them. Tuncay springs to mind as the creativity that Pulis had no time for.

Ultimately, he had a transfer window, signed Chester as a full back. That should be enough to see what is coming over the upcoming summer with him in charge.

Pulis paid big money for him at the time as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on April 25, 2016, 12:39:30 PM
Another thing I can't stand is his mr nice guy pre match interview. So and so has a great side or X is in a false position and should be higher. No, stop giving the team too much respect and actually play every once in a while.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 25, 2016, 12:57:16 PM
If Pulis fails to pick up another point this season, would Peace pull the trigger?  Hypothetical I know..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 25, 2016, 01:11:14 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 25, 2016, 12:57:16 PM
If Pulis fails to pick up another point this season, would Peace pull the trigger?  Hypothetical I know..

No
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 25, 2016, 01:17:53 PM
'Guarantees' Premier League football, ergo whilst Jeremy is in charge, he will not be getting the sack. He may leave of his own accord, but with the repayments he has made/needs to pay, I can't see him leaving employment until something else is lined up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 25, 2016, 02:19:40 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on April 25, 2016, 01:17:53 PM
'Guarantees' Premier League football, ergo whilst Jeremy is in charge, he will not be getting the sack. He may leave of his own accord, but with the repayments he has made/needs to pay, I can't see him leaving employment until something else is lined up
He doesn't guarantee anything though. We start the season with 0 points the same as everyone else and, based on our current form, could well be relegation fodder next year.
Imagine watching this pooh week in week out AND going down  :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 25, 2016, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on April 25, 2016, 02:19:40 PM
He doesn't guarantee anything though. We start the season with 0 points the same as everyone else and, based on our current form, could well be relegation fodder next year.
Imagine watching this pooh week in week out AND going down  :'(

Hence the inverted commas...

Jeremy is safe in the mindset that TP is a safe pair of hands because he has never been relegated. He cares not about the entertainment value or if any of us even turn up, he is ultimately, like any good businessman, driven by the money and that money stems from us being in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 25, 2016, 02:28:34 PM
Hopefully we can end this season with a few more points - going in to next season on the back of 7 or 8 poor results in April and May could spell disaster regardless of how our recruitment goes in the summer.

Watford are considering replacing Flores because of their end of season form, despite getting to the cup semi final and staying up fairly comfortably in their first season back up. Food for thought, Jeremy...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 25, 2016, 02:45:37 PM
If we don't pick up another point between now and the end of season the 2nd half of the season would below the 1 point a game average that is relegation form. The last 10 would have got us 4 points which is Villaesque. It is the sort of form that undermines the notion that Pulis is a guarantee of anything very much.

Would it be enough for Peace to pull the trigger? Stranger things have happened but on balance I don't think he will but equally he might not be too keen on giving TP a contract extension.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 25, 2016, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 25, 2016, 12:57:16 PM
If Pulis fails to pick up another point this season, would Peace pull the trigger?  Hypothetical I know..

We'd have not won in ~10 games...which is horrific, whether we're on the beach or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 25, 2016, 03:12:10 PM
Quote from: MarkW on April 25, 2016, 02:45:51 PM
We'd have not won in ~10 games...which is horrific, whether we're on the beach or not.

At the same time 3 points tonight (choke) and we're sat 11th after 35 games. Funny old game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 25, 2016, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on April 25, 2016, 02:24:34 PM
Hence the inverted commas...

Jeremy is safe in the mindset that TP is a safe pair of hands because he has never been relegated. He cares not about the entertainment value or if any of us even turn up, he is ultimately, like any good businessman, driven by the money and that money stems from us being in the Premier League.
I know mate and agree 100%
If you think about it, if Pulis starts the season with us his 'no relegation' reputation is pretty much guaranteed for another year because, if we are up pooh creek by Christmas, Peace will no doubt pull the trigger, so any relegation would go on the next poor sap's CV!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbafc68 on April 25, 2016, 03:53:05 PM
Does anyone think that those heading for the exit door, whether in the team or on the periphery have finally 'smelt' their doom and as this amounts to a fair chunk of the '25' it has affected the whole group..... just clutching at straws for why we am so poor at the moment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 25, 2016, 04:02:52 PM
Quote from: wbafc68 on April 25, 2016, 03:53:05 PM
Does anyone think that those heading for the exit door, whether in the team or on the periphery have finally 'smelt' their doom and as this amounts to a fair chunk of the '25' it has affected the whole group..... just clutching at straws for why we am so poor at the moment

No I think the bulk of those that are getting game time at the moment are going to be around next year aside from Berahino most of those that are half out the door aren't playing. Of course there is a whole end of term feel and it is a very experienced squad some of whom have an eye on summer internationals so the drop off is almost inevitable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 25, 2016, 04:15:10 PM
Quote from: Standaman on April 25, 2016, 04:02:52 PM
No I think the bulk of those that are getting game time at the moment are going to be around next year aside from Berahino most of those that are half out the door aren't playing. Of course there is a whole end of term feel and it is a very experienced squad some of whom have an eye on summer internationals so the drop off is almost inevitable.
I also think Pulis made too much of the 40 point thing. We were relatively safe on 39 but he still insisted on 40, then, when we hit it, he was over the moon, even though we weren't and still aren't mathematically safe.
We are either targeting mathematical safety or as many points as is physically possible, this 40 point stuff is a real misnomer.
Seems to me like everyone broke up 2 weeks ago when the mythical target was reached and Pulis has to share the blame, because he put so much emphasis on it.
If we had given it a real go since, and gone on the offensive, he would have gained far more support, even if the results had been the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on April 25, 2016, 04:39:38 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on April 25, 2016, 04:15:10 PM
I also think Pulis made too much of the 40 point thing. We were relatively safe on 39 but he still insisted on 40, then, when we hit it, he was over the moon, even though we weren't and still aren't mathematically safe.
We are either targeting mathematical safety or as many points as is physically possible, this 40 point stuff is a real misnomer.
Seems to me like everyone broke up 2 weeks ago when the mythical target was reached and Pulis has to share the blame, because he put so much emphasis on it.
If we had given it a real go since, and gone on the offensive, he would have gained far more support, even if the results had been the same.

The 40 points thing does 95% of the time confirm safety.

Since the inception of the 20 side Premier League in the 95-96 season, out of a possible 57 relegations there has only been 3 sides* relegated with 40 points or more. It is imperative that we reach that target as an absolute minimum now we are an established Premier League side. Pulis guarantees that IMO (never been relegated). While Peace is in charge Pulis will keep his job other than a catastrophic breakdown in relationship so I think it's time we just got used to that.

It does seem that we are long overdue a side to go down on the magic 40 points though seeing as it's been 13 years since the last time it's happened. 



* 96-97 Sunderland 18th 40 points
* 97-98 Bolton 18th 40 points
* 02-03 West Ham 18th 42 points
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 25, 2016, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: BB74 on April 25, 2016, 04:39:38 PM
The 40 points thing does 95% of the time confirm safety.

Since the inception of the 20 side Premier League in the 95-96 season, out of a possible 57 relegations there has only been 3 sides* relegated with 40 points or more. It is imperative that we reach that target as an absolute minimum now we are an established Premier League side. Pulis guarantees that IMO (never been relegated). While Peace is in charge Pulis will keep his job other than a catastrophic breakdown in relationship so I think it's time we just got used to that.

It does seem that we are long overdue a side to go down on the magic 40 points though seeing as it's been 13 years since the last time it's happened. 



* 96-97 Sunderland 18th 40 points
* 97-98 Bolton 18th 40 points
* 02-03 West Ham 18th 42 points

The thing is though only one team has been relegated on 39 points (Birmingham in 2010/2011).

So 17 out of 20 seasons 40 points has been enough - 85%
and 16 out of 20 seasons 39 points has been enough - 80%

So I really see the point about not getting the media hype surrounding 40 points when the difference between the two are pretty immaterial and like you said , definitely not a 100% guarantee of safety which is what any 'magic point' tally should be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 25, 2016, 07:02:54 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on April 25, 2016, 09:20:57 AM
I think we look a decent when we up the tempo and play with a pliable 3 man forward line i.e Saido Rondon Sessegnon which can move into a 4-5-1, 4-3-3....its the committing men forward Pulis doesnt like as he likes his team to hold a shape...but when we play with the tempo and those 3 forwards have good games we look a very decent team capable of beating anyone on our day

If we can add 2 forward\winger players like Phillips and a.nother, a midfield playmaker but a strong one then I would like to see us playing with the kind of tempo Leicester do as we will then be a team to beat

Agree. At times we have been positive and generally got a decent result as a consequence. Its just that Pulis chooses not to play that way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on April 25, 2016, 07:59:47 PM
"BBC 5 live Sport

WBA's line-up has an average age of over 30.

Only the 8th time for any team in #BPL this season - 7 have been #WBA"

Love our long-term strategy...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on April 25, 2016, 08:49:58 PM
In the last 14 games (including this one) we've had 24 shots on targets. As of half time it will be 7 of those 14 we haven't had a shot on target in. I don't see the point in staying up when its THIS bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on April 25, 2016, 08:53:39 PM
Quote from: Dan on April 25, 2016, 08:49:58 PM
In the last 14 games (including this one) we've had 24 shots on targets. As of half time it will be 7 of those 14 we haven't had a shot on target in. I don't see the point in staying up when its THIS bad.

Shocking. We're not participating in this league, we're just existing in it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 25, 2016, 09:02:45 PM
We are getting worse and losing is becoming a really bad habit, can see us  going down next season under him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 25, 2016, 11:31:01 PM
Thought Pulis did very well tonight against a top side.

What I will also say about him is that even though we may time-waste at times, at least we don't dive which is the worst form of cheating. Tonight the Spurs players were all over the place, throwing themselves around and getting free-kicks/penalty claims as a result.

We don't do that, and yet we get a lot rubbish for the way we play, whereas the Spurs antics go largely un-noticed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on April 25, 2016, 11:36:01 PM
The way we play against top 6-8 teams, especially away from home is EXACTLY how we should play and in that Pulis does the right thing.

What he/we do disastrously wrong is in games against bottom 8 teams, especially at home in which we play in the same ultra-boring fashion and lose consistently.

I'd love Pulis forever if he could add a 2nd game-plan to his repertoire
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on April 26, 2016, 12:12:37 AM
Fed up of hearing about this great young spurs side,the team for the future and can only get better( not a given is it) but they couldn't beat the oldest team in the premier league at home tonight could they.
Well done baggies tremendous  result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CoachRagnar on April 26, 2016, 12:25:22 AM
Get rid of Pulis? Seriously??? We have a team salary that ranks 13th @68.5 million. Not too many big name managers are going to come knocking at a team that has that level of resource.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 26, 2016, 12:38:16 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on April 25, 2016, 05:26:03 PM
The thing is though only one team has been relegated on 39 points (Birmingham in 2010/2011).

So 17 out of 20 seasons 40 points has been enough - 85%
and 16 out of 20 seasons 39 points has been enough - 80%

So I really see the point about not getting the media hype surrounding 40 points when the difference between the two are pretty immaterial and like you said , definitely not a 100% guarantee of safety which is what any 'magic point' tally should be.
it's just a nice, round and marketable number that as you say makes no odds to the chance of survival, but it sounds better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on April 26, 2016, 07:19:07 AM
http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/105818-i-love-tony-pulis-i-love-wba/ (http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/105818-i-love-tony-pulis-i-love-wba/)

Leicester fans are happy with Pulis. They have their own dedicated thread!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 26, 2016, 08:53:57 AM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on April 26, 2016, 12:38:16 AM
it's just a nice, round and marketable number that as you say makes no odds to the chance of survival, but it sounds better.
We have 41 now anyway :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on April 26, 2016, 09:43:38 AM
Pulis has got us 19 points this season against the top 10 sides. Man City only have 15! If we could only beat a few lower teams just imagine :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 26, 2016, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: Webby on April 26, 2016, 09:43:38 AM
Pulis has got us 19 points this season against the top 10 sides. Man City only have 15! If we could only beat a few lower teams just imagine :(

Lets face it that is exactly the issue. The tactics against a much better side last night were understandable and ultimately worked, doing similar against some of the so called lesser sides in the division just isn't necessary most of the time and we have been punished by them more often than not when doing it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 26, 2016, 10:57:44 AM
Let's not get too carried away with last nights result. Yes it was a fantastic point but we could and should have been 3-0 down before we scored. We rode our luck again. To give credit where it is due we came out second half and had a go at an extremely nervy Spurs side. As mentioned above it's not these kind of side we have trouble against. We'll probably get turned over by Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 26, 2016, 11:01:50 AM
Decent result it may have been but it changes nothing, we have scored 2 goals in our last 6 games which is f***ing pathetic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on April 26, 2016, 11:23:49 AM
 Cracking result last night and some payback for Spurs f###ing with our best players head and screwing up our seson.
The main fact we have struggled to score goals is Berhino not performing with a decent signing up front next season i think we will score more goals and continue to improve as a team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on April 26, 2016, 11:24:04 AM
We had more shots on target than the other team for once ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 26, 2016, 11:27:51 AM
Quote from: Webby on April 26, 2016, 09:43:38 AM
Pulis has got us 19 points this season against the top 10 sides. Man City only have 15! If we could only beat a few lower teams just imagine :(

That is sadly the issue. Ultimately, Pulis will still be here next season and he needs to show something against the 'lesser' sides to have a chance of winning fan support back. We all already admire how ruthlessly organised and efficient he sets his teams up against the big boys, it's the games we have an expectancy to win/attack in that is letting him down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 26, 2016, 11:39:33 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on April 26, 2016, 11:27:51 AM
That is sadly the issue. Ultimately, Pulis will still be here next season and he needs to show something against the 'lesser' sides to have a chance of winning fan support back. We all already admire how ruthlessly organised and efficient he sets his teams up against the big boys, it's the games we have an expectancy to win/attack in that is letting him down.

Its not as simple as that though.
The top sides are often fatigued from European games or fixture congestion, sitting back and picking them off for their mistakes is a solid tactic.
Against the poorer sides, opening up with our aging squad leaves us vulnerable, especially when they are usually very up for the game against a side they consider a lesser side themselves, in a punch for punch battle with the poorer sides, because of our squad limitations, we often lose out.
It's complex, we know we need better forward options, hopefully with patience we will get there.
With an Academy now bearing real fruit, its imperative for now we just stay in the top flight where the money is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 26, 2016, 11:45:33 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on April 26, 2016, 11:27:51 AM
That is sadly the issue. Ultimately, Pulis will still be here next season and he needs to show something against the 'lesser' sides to have a chance of winning fan support back. We all already admire how ruthlessly organised and efficient he sets his teams up against the big boys, it's the games we have an expectancy to win/attack in that is letting him down.

Pulis will need to evolve a little as well as the squad this summer, it can be easier for us to play against the big sides as we will be given more space to operate in as they come at us. It is clear we lack real quality in key areas, we must have the slowest squad in the league by quite some margin and we are also often stifled by our own tactics. Desire and a high work rate can only get you so far.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on April 26, 2016, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on April 26, 2016, 11:39:33 AM
Its not as simple as that though.
The top sides are often fatigued from European games or fixture congestion, sitting back and picking them off for their mistakes is a solid tactic.
Against the poorer sides, opening up with our aging squad leaves us vulnerable, especially when they are usually very up for the game against a side they consider a lesser side themselves, in a punch for punch battle with the poorer sides, because of our squad limitations, we often lose out.
It's complex, we know we need better forward options, hopefully with patience we will get there.
With an Academy now bearing real fruit, its imperative for now we just stay in the top flight where the money is.

Agree with this. In addition to this some energy and mobility in the centre of the park to compliment Fletcher and/or Yacob.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 26, 2016, 01:25:52 PM
I don't think anyone can argue Pulis' tactics don't work, it's just that 80% of the time it's bloody boring and tedious to watch. The first half of last night I couldn't believe how anonymous and lacking in balls we were, nobody trying to get on the ball, poor movement and overall slow! In the 2nd half, I really enjoyed watching us giving it a go, joining up to try to support Rondon  and Dawson pushing up more meaning we had extra men in the attacking third more often.

Like many others, I just wonder why we can't set up more attack minded more often, especially at home!?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 26, 2016, 04:50:42 PM
Durham & Goughy at it again, criticising the way we paly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on April 26, 2016, 04:55:32 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 26, 2016, 04:50:42 PM
Durham & Goughy at it again, criticising the way we paly

Sadly, they've got a point though haven't they  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 26, 2016, 04:57:49 PM
Quote from: BB74 on April 26, 2016, 04:55:32 PM
Sadly, they've got a point though haven't they  ::)
I think Durham definitely has an agenda against us. Last night for instance we played well and in the 2nd half it was end-to-end.

It's just typical London-media-bias, they'd love Spurs to be fighting for 1st as it adds drama. Sadly we stopped their title run and it's not fashionable but it's football. Seriously he should be talking about Alli's punch and Walkers kick instead of us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 26, 2016, 05:00:20 PM
Quote from: BB74 on April 26, 2016, 04:55:32 PM
Sadly, they've got a point though haven't they  ::)


maybe so but we wernt as bad as they make out last night, tottinham
fan just on saying what do we expect when they have 11 men behind the ball all game :-\ how many shots did we have again. A big improvement on the Arsenal game thats for sure
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 26, 2016, 07:36:22 PM
yeah once you're tarred with a brush some people appear to be blind to it when a team doesn't play quite the way they are supposed to.......plus talk sport is all about getting a reaction of some sort.
We played in the best way we could last night while getting something out of the game. At least the sky team knew pressure from us was building and a goal was looking likely.

Well done to Pochetino also who said 'I've got nothing to complain about in the game' - you can bet that many managers would have made some complaint about our tactics or some incident in the game...he took it well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 26, 2016, 08:21:22 PM
Durham is someone who has always had a problem with us well before Pulis came along to give him something else to have a pop about.

He's another who speaks a lot but doesn't actually say anything with it. The whole station is set up for mugs to get worked up over stuff enough to call in and fill their coffers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 26, 2016, 09:49:56 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on April 26, 2016, 08:21:22 PM
Durham is someone who has always had a problem with us well before Pulis came along to give him something else to have a pop about.

He's another who speaks a lot but doesn't actually say anything with it. The whole station is set up for mugs to get worked up over stuff enough to call in and fill their coffers.
and there's no shortage of mugs either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on April 27, 2016, 03:40:28 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 26, 2016, 04:50:42 PM
Durham & Goughy at it again, criticising the way we paly

Durham and Goughy is all you need to say :) A cricketer and someone employed to be controversial and upset everyone so people will phone in. No-one who actually knows anything about football takes them seriously. I'm not saying their bad but they make Brazil and Parry sound intelligent ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 27, 2016, 08:41:20 AM
The sad fact is, even when we've 'played the right way' in the past, the media hasn't really given two shites about us and I'm afraid we'll remain unfashionable as a club like the rest of the West Midlands.  Add Pulis with his attritional style of football into that mix and we really have got an image problem. Personally, I've grown up with us being much much worse (e.g. Bobby Gould) so I couldn't really care less about what the press think
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 27, 2016, 08:56:00 AM
Everything the media say about us is exactly what we used to say about Stoke when Pulis was their and I don't remember to many people have a problem then... In fact we used to quote the press to back up how awful they were.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 27, 2016, 09:42:24 AM
I have long given up on the National Media's coverage of our club. Short of achieving something truly remarkable we are never going to change their perceptions and their reporting will be generally give us very scant attention and very little credit. In general too much of the football narrative is about managers and whether they are doing well or badly too little is about the players.

However once we appoint TP then the narrative is pretty much complete i.e. hard working well organised pig ugly to watch p.s. note to editor please don't send me to the Hawthorns on a wet Tuesday night to report on WBA even if they are playing Man United particularly while LVG is still there.

Unfortunately we are living up to the Pulisball stereotype and the narrative in this instance  is not wide of the mark, but with an added layer of patronising  "be careful what you wish for"  editorial's when Albion fans have the nerve to suggest we don't like Pulisball and think we can aspire to something better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 27, 2016, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: Standaman on April 27, 2016, 09:42:24 AM
I have long given up on the National Media's coverage of our club. Short of achieving something truly remarkable we are never going to change their perceptions and their reporting will be generally give us very scant attention and very little credit. In general too much of the football narrative is about managers and whether they are doing well or badly too little is about the players.

However once we appoint TP then the narrative is pretty much complete i.e. hard working well organised pig ugly to watch p.s. note to editor please don't send me to the Hawthorns on a wet Tuesday night to report on WBA even if they are playing Man United particularly while LVG is still there.

Unfortunately we are living up to the Pulisball stereotype and the narrative in this instance  is not wide of the mark, but with an added layer of patronising  "be careful what you wish for"  editorial's when Albion fans have the nerve to suggest we don't like Pulisball and think we can aspire to something better.
I respect your posts but you tend to emphasise the 'Pulisball stereo type' yourself ? It makes it sound as though there are 2 ways of playing ....Pulisball and not Pulisball. It's not that black and white is it ? We don't play the exact same way as Stoke did do we? We are not quite as ugly as them ? Also, there have been about half dozen games this season where we have played on the front foot and played decent football....I'll give Spurs, Palace, Stoke at home as 3 examples then there are sections of the games at Man City and Spurs the other night, Chelsea home, Everton home.
I personally think that the term 'Pulisball' should be binned.
When we play in a better style I doubt it's the players deciding the tactics. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 27, 2016, 12:35:19 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 27, 2016, 11:08:18 AM
I respect your posts but you tend to emphasise the 'Pulisball stereo type' yourself ? It makes it sound as though there are 2 ways of playing ....Pulisball and not Pulisball. It's not that black and white is it ? We don't play the exact same way as Stoke did do we? We are not quite as ugly as them ? Also, there have been about half dozen games this season where we have played on the front foot and played decent football....I'll give Spurs, Palace, Stoke at home as 3 examples then there are sections of the games at Man City and Spurs the other night, Chelsea home, Everton home.
I personally think that the term 'Pulisball' should be binned.
When we play in a better style I doubt it's the players deciding the tactics.

Good post. You can add Newcastle and Arsenal at home and Villa and Liverpool away to your list too (IMO) that's 11 games where we've played on the front foot...just under a 1/3 of all our games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on April 27, 2016, 02:41:52 PM
Just to clarify;

'on the front foot' is linked to play in the oppositions half which is attack minded.

'on the front foot' is NOT linked to counterattacking play which is countering the attacking play of the opposition.

Pulis would have us believe we play like Leicester. No! In small time periods in the game we press the opponent to gain either a strike at goal or a set piece. This happened's normally in very short 4-5 touch phase. The majority of this season and last has consisted of 'game management.'  IMO translated this means block the middle of the pitch and run the clock down. ???

I would love a new guy in charge. Time for TP too move on.

   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 27, 2016, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: baggiepoint on April 27, 2016, 02:41:52 PM
Just to clarify;

'on the front foot' is linked to play in the oppositions half which is attack minded.

'on the front foot' is NOT linked to counterattacking play which is countering the attacking play of the opposition.

Pulis would have us believe we play like Leicester. No! In small time periods in the game we press the opponent to gain either a strike at goal or a set piece. This happened's normally in very short 4-5 touch phase. The majority of this season and last has consisted of 'game management.'  IMO translated this means block the middle of the pitch and run the clock down. ???

I would love a new guy in charge. Time for TP too move on.

   
Does TP want us to believe we play like Leicester or is this a myth ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 27, 2016, 05:21:42 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 27, 2016, 11:08:18 AM
I respect your posts but you tend to emphasise the 'Pulisball stereo type' yourself ? It makes it sound as though there are 2 ways of playing ....Pulisball and not Pulisball. It's not that black and white is it ? We don't play the exact same way as Stoke did do we? We are not quite as ugly as them ? Also, there have been about half dozen games this season where we have played on the front foot and played decent football....I'll give Spurs, Palace, Stoke at home as 3 examples then there are sections of the games at Man City and Spurs the other night, Chelsea home, Everton home.
I personally think that the term 'Pulisball' should be binned.
When we play in a better style I doubt it's the players deciding the tactics. 

Yes I do use the Pulisball short hand and it serves it's purpose. I know we are not the carbon copy of the Delap inspired (?) Stoke. I know that we have produced some attacking football (it is actually impossible to pick up points without occasionally breaking out of our defensive torpor) but at best it has been sporadic and often only prompted by conceding a goal. I can only think of a handful of games or even portions of games where we genuinely might have regarded as playing on the front foot.

There are common themes that characterise Pulis sides that are basically defensively sound by getting a lot of players behind the ball and offering very little going forward particularly in open play. Yes we have got some good results playing that way but let's face it the Pulisball cap does fit.

 

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 27, 2016, 08:41:07 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 27, 2016, 04:09:26 PM
Does TP want us to believe we play like Leicester or is this a myth ?

I'm not sure that Pulis himself is perpetuating that one, but some of his supporters regularly do.

If you can look at the way Leicester play, and look at the way we play, and not see a difference, then I give up. People always point to statistics about possession and such, but football is hard to quantify in that manner, especially when it comes to style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on April 27, 2016, 09:15:07 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 27, 2016, 04:09:26 PM
Does TP want us to believe we play like Leicester or is this a myth ?
For one Leicester do not play 4 centre halves across the back both of their holding players get forward especially kante see Vardys goal against West Ham.
 They have wide men and proper fullbacks who can put crosses into the box and they have a top class striker who can finish and has pace so if people think we play like Leicester then I really do give up. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 27, 2016, 09:25:44 PM
He meant he wanted us to play like Leiester Tigers something he feels he can manage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiepoint on April 27, 2016, 09:31:46 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 27, 2016, 04:09:26 PM
Does TP want us to believe we play like Leicester or is this a myth ?

His Post match comments after the Leicester game were embarrassing. "they play through the pitch" "a good old fashioned team who work ard."  Basically linked his carp cliches to there success.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 27, 2016, 09:50:55 PM
Quote from: baggiepoint on April 27, 2016, 09:31:46 PM
His Post match comments after the Leicester game were embarrassing. "they play through the pitch" "a good old fashioned team who work ard."  Basically linked his carp cliches to there success.   
he got mixed up with the words play and plough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on April 27, 2016, 09:53:06 PM
Just watched the A/Madrid v Bayern game can't believe the panelists . Madrid had 30% possession, and ran out winners Ferdinand drooling over how they sat back and soaked up the pressure hitting Bayern on the counter . " great team well coached knew what they were doing after drills after drills on the training pitch ". Owen Hargreaves " best team won " mirror image how we have played this season yet we get crucified  Madrid was at home as well . Everton away springs to mind .

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 28, 2016, 05:52:08 AM
To be quite honest I think we have one of the worst squads in the league. With the exception of Evans, Fletcher, Morrison and Berahino I'm struggling to think of genuine Premier League quality players that would get in many other squads at this level.

To have got to 40 points as early as we did is remarkable in my view, I know many won't agree but I think Pulis has done a decent enough job with the squad we have. Its been terrible to watch at times but I'm not sure whether could have done much differently and made any significant difference, we lack clear quality and more importantly any real pace so we are limited with how we can set up the side to begin with to stand any chance of getting results.

When Pulis first walked through the door here he said it was the job job he's ever faced and I believe he was right, we have steadied the ship but the real work starts now. The club need to get some real quality and pace into the squad and we need to ship a few out too but it's a massive task and we are likely to fall a little short again. It takes a long time to recover from so many failed transfer windows so it's understandable that we won't get all the work done to the squad that we need especially as transfers can be very hit and miss the best of times.

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be offering him a new contract, I would be holding off with that and concentrating on getting the squad sorted this summer. Then a couple of months into the season it should be reviewed then as that is the time I believe he should start to be judged properly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 28, 2016, 06:22:53 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on April 28, 2016, 05:52:08 AM
To be quite honest I think we have one of the worst squads in the league. With the exception of Evans, Fletcher, Morrison and Berahino I'm struggling to think of genuine Premier League quality players that would get in many other squads at this level.

To have got to 40 points as early as we did is remarkable in my view, I know many won't agree but I think Pulis has done a decent enough job with the squad we have. Its been terrible to watch at times but I'm not sure whether could have done much differently and made any significant difference, we lack clear quality and more importantly any real pace so we are limited with how we can set up the side to begin with to stand any chance of getting results.

When Pulis first walked through the door here he said it was the job job he's ever faced and I believe he was right, we have steadied the ship but the real work starts now. The club need to get some real quality and pace into the squad and we need to ship a few out too but it's a massive task and we are likely to fall a little short again. It takes a long time to recover from so many failed transfer windows so it's understandable that we won't get all the work done to the squad that we need especially as transfers can be very hit and miss the best of times.

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be offering him a new contract, I would be holding off with that and concentrating on getting the squad sorted this summer. Then a couple of months into the season it should be reviewed then as that is the time I believe he should start to be judged properly.

Yes he said that and then goes and signs Gnabry on loan, Lambert, McManaman, McLean, Chester, Sandro and Pritchard!
Doesn't help himself does he?
Doesn't help himself does he
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 28, 2016, 07:09:54 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on April 28, 2016, 06:22:53 AM
Yes he said that and then goes and signs Gnabry on loan, Lambert, McManaman, McLean, Chester, Sandro and Pritchard!
Doesn't help himself does he?
Doesn't help himself does he

He isn't the first and certainly won't be the last Albion boss to make mistakes in the transfer market. The major ones for me were Lambert, McManaman and Chester due to the price I couldn't give a toss about the loans as apart from Lukaku and Richardson all those years ago our record with loans at this level is rubbish. The Chester signing is the one that really concerns me bringing him in as a full-back but at the same time the player knew what the deal was and was still happy to make the move.

I stand by what I said that the hard work really starts now and he should be judged properly in the first couple of months of next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 28, 2016, 08:07:17 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on April 28, 2016, 07:09:54 AM
He isn't the first and certainly won't be the last Albion boss to make mistakes in the transfer market. The major ones for me were Lambert, McManaman and Chester due to the price I couldn't give a toss about the loans as apart from Lukaku and Richardson all those years ago our record with loans at this level is rubbish. The Chester signing is the one that really concerns me bringing him in as a full-back but at the same time the player knew what the deal was and was still happy to make the move.

I stand by what I said that the hard work really starts now and he should be judged properly in the first couple of months of next season.

We'll still be having this same conversation this time next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 28, 2016, 08:13:21 AM
Who would have known Lambert would be so shot to pieces? I think most people would have thought that was a decent signing at the time. Me included.

Chester i still think has a future at this club somehow. If it doesn't work out then it would be criminal if we sell him for less then we paid.

McManaman has has a personal falling out with Pulis, you can't plan for that.

McClean was 1.5m and probably ain't on great wages, i don't really rate him but he's a good enough squad player for that choice.

The loans have been nothing but weird and i don't know why we bother. Its not doing the lads careers any good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 28, 2016, 08:15:48 AM
Quote from: charlebaggie on April 27, 2016, 09:53:06 PM
Just watched the A/Madrid v Bayern game can't believe the panelists . Madrid had 30% possession, and ran out winners Ferdinand drooling over how they sat back and soaked up the pressure hitting Bayern on the counter . " great team well coached knew what they were doing after drills after drills on the training pitch ". Owen Hargreaves " best team won " mirror image how we have played this season yet we get crucified  Madrid was at home as well . Everton away springs to mind .

The difference is a big one. Atletico attack with intent and purpose. It similar to Leicester. They play the same defensive game as us but a completely different attacking one. We don't really have an attacking game because we haven't got any worthwhile attackers.

Atletico/Leicester attacking tactics are exciting and I want to see this same from Pulis next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 28, 2016, 09:11:17 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 28, 2016, 08:13:21 AM
Who would have known Lambert would be so shot to pieces? I think most people would have thought that was a decent signing at the time. Me included.

Chester i still think has a future at this club somehow. If it doesn't work out then it would be criminal if we sell him for less then we paid.

McManaman has has a personal falling out with Pulis, you can't plan for that.

McClean was 1.5m and probably ain't on great wages, i don't really rate him but he's a good enough squad player for that choice.

The loans have been nothing but weird and i don't know why we bother. Its not doing the lads careers any good.

I think in the case of McManaman Pulis is very much Megson like in that if he falls out with you it's a hard way back into the team.
But Pulis fell out with him because he tried to cheat with his diving, can't excuse that from McManaman.

McClean I genuinely think was bought as a squad / backup player mainly because he's cheap. Added with our pathetic recruitment policy over the last 3 years it's meant he's been used more than was originally planned.

Just makes me think back to Sako having medical and discussing terms to only be told he's our 3rd or 4th choice target. Laughable really
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 28, 2016, 10:19:45 AM
Sako hasn't really done much at Palace, started well but faded. The player I am gutted we missed out on and would have been sure to improve us this season was Antonio.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 28, 2016, 10:37:22 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 28, 2016, 08:15:48 AM
The difference is a big one. Atletico attack with intent and purpose. It similar to Leicester. They play the same defensive game as us but a completely different attacking one. We don't really have an attacking game because we haven't got any worthwhile attackers.

Atletico/Leicester attacking tactics are exciting and I want to see this same from Pulis next season.

Huge difference between how Atletico play and we play. They defend deep and in numbers but they break very quickly, with pace and in big numbers (three midfielders joining one or two attackers).

It's almost like Pulis cannot see past the initial bit of his approach and gets bogged down in the first bit - defending. We need the right players in midfield and attack to play this kind of game because we haven't got them at the moment and haven't since Roy's days when we had Long, Lukaku, Fortune, Thomas, a bang in form Morrison and Brunt as well as Odemwingie. That list of names would scare many Premier league defences and we're simply nowhere near that after scrimping on signings for a number of years. You get what you pay for e.g. McClean
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 28, 2016, 10:43:41 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 28, 2016, 09:11:17 AM
I think in the case of McManaman Pulis is very much Megson like in that if he falls out with you it's a hard way back into the team.
But Pulis fell out with him because he tried to cheat with his diving, can't excuse that from McManaman.

McClean I genuinely think was bought as a squad / backup player mainly because he's cheap. Added with our pathetic recruitment policy over the last 3 years it's meant he's been used more than was originally planned.

Just makes me think back to Sako having medical and discussing terms to only be told he's our 3rd or 4th choice target. Laughable really

I still believe that he turned us down and not the other way around. I was under the impression that he was keeping his options open for as long as possible. Palace seemed a more attractive move in the end. He didn't have much of a pre-season because of this and injuries have held him back a bit. That said he'd have been a great addition on a free.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 28, 2016, 11:45:57 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 28, 2016, 08:13:21 AM
Who would have known Lambert would be so shot to pieces? I think most people would have thought that was a decent signing at the time. Me included.

Chester i still think has a future at this club somehow. If it doesn't work out then it would be criminal if we sell him for less then we paid.

McManaman has has a personal falling out with Pulis, you can't plan for that.

McClean was 1.5m and probably ain't on great wages, i don't really rate him but he's a good enough squad player for that choice.

The loans have been nothing but weird and i don't know why we bother. Its not doing the lads careers any good.

A blind man on a galloping horse could see that Ricky was unfit, overweight and had next to no game in the previous 12 months.
I can only think that they bought him because the changing rooms needed painting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stever60 on April 28, 2016, 11:49:21 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on April 28, 2016, 11:45:57 AM
A blind man on a galloping horse could see that Ricky was unfit, overweight and had next to no game in the previous 12 months.
I can only think that they bought him because the changing rooms needed painting.
Seem to recall a lot on these forums were happy with this signing. We can all judge with the benefit of hindsight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 28, 2016, 01:00:47 PM
At any given time the Premier League Footballer population has 500 players in it. The top 200 or so are the exclusive preserve of club's with £100m plus wage bills. Either those players are already contracted to those teams or would only consider moving to one of them if they wanted to leave their current club.

Through that prism a team which is ranked 12th or 13th in the skewed wage bill distribution would do very well to have a first XI made up of average to good players and the back up to those will be average to poor by the general standards of the Premier League.

This squad could be better balanced the component parts could work better together but the player quality isn't going to be transformed.  Every other club's squads aren't vastly better than ours particularly when you look at the back lot of rather than the nice shinny models at the front of the house. Equally familiarity breeds contempt players we might envy get surprisingly poor reviews from their own fans and in turn we under estimate some of our own longer serving players. We see all their poor games and mistakes not just the good play that is highlighted on TV.

In terms of style of footballer and the type coach Pulis it will not change with the players at his disposal it never has and probably never will.



 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 28, 2016, 02:37:27 PM
The fact we are rumoured to be after Andrew Robertson from Hull, a pacy attacking full back gives a little bit of hope that we may become a more effective counter attacking team next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 28, 2016, 02:45:31 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on April 28, 2016, 02:37:27 PM
The fact we are rumoured to be after Andrew Robertson from Hull, a pacy attacking full back gives a little bit of hope that we may become a more effective counter attacking team next season.

I can't see it myself. I think this rumour is just paper talk. He doesn't strike me as a Pulis type full back. We will sign another CH and shove either him or Evans out to LB until Brunt is fit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on April 28, 2016, 04:27:45 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on April 28, 2016, 02:45:31 PM
I can't see it myself. I think this rumour is just paper talk. He doesn't strike me as a Pulis type full back. We will sign another CH and shove either him or Evans out to LB until Brunt is fit.
Well to be fair to Pulis, he did go in for Antonio but Forest rejected our bids and instead he went to West Ham. There was an interview about 1 month ago where Antonio said he was convinced he'd sign for us, so there is hope as Antonio would have been a very good signing.

Speaking of which, if we are in for Robertson you can see someone like West Ham or Saints pricing us out of the possible move.
I do agree we're in massive need of a proper left-back though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 28, 2016, 05:00:23 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on April 28, 2016, 04:27:45 PM
Well to be fair to Pulis, he did go in for Antonio but Forest rejected our bids and instead he went to West Ham. There was an interview about 1 month ago where Antonio said he was convinced he'd sign for us, so there is hope as Antonio would have been a very good signing.

Speaking of which, if we are in for Robertson you can see someone like West Ham or Saints pricing us out of the possible move.
I do agree we're in massive need of a proper left-back though.

I know we can't throw the cash around like other sides can but I do think our faffing around costs us. Had we offered the right kind of money early on then perhaps West Ham wouldn't have even come in for him. What was equally as frustrating was that we seemed to have no back up plan to Antonio or Phillips. We had already signed McLean (cheap squad backup) and Gnabry so I doubt they would have been first choice. Having missed out on both we either had no other targets or run out of time.

Robertson is an exciting young full back but I cannot see him in a Pulis side in a million years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 29, 2016, 10:36:18 AM
Pulis says the youngsters are going to be given a go. Another myth that he's not interested in our young players has been proven wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on April 29, 2016, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: Legend on April 29, 2016, 10:36:18 AM
Pulis says the youngsters are going to be given a go. Another myth that he's not interested in our young players has been proven wrong.

I'll believe it when it when I see it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 29, 2016, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: Legend on April 29, 2016, 10:36:18 AM
Pulis says the youngsters are going to be given a go. Another myth that he's not interested in our young players has been proven wrong.

Sounds good Legend but the proof is in the playing....no?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DaveWBA on April 29, 2016, 11:55:50 AM
I'm by no means a Pulis fanatic but I'm encouraged by the statements he's made this morning. He spoke very highly of the academy saying it was the best he had ever seen and emphasised the need for younger attacking players to compliment the settled core of experiences pros that we have.

These are exactly the things we've been wanting to hear  - can foresee a backlash if he doesn't back it up. Starting with Leko, Roberts and Field tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on April 29, 2016, 12:05:15 PM
The way he was saying Saido will be a late call, I can see Leko maybe starting if Saido doesn't make it.

That said, I think we could also have the same situation as against West Ham where we see 2 or 3 youngsters on the bench
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 29, 2016, 12:11:17 PM
Our academy deserves a lot of credit, it's got a rightfully strong reputation. I remember seeing Saido in a pre-season friendly under Clarke at Walsall a few seasons ago and he looked like he was ready. He'd already had plenty of loan time but the point is you'll never know until you chuck em in e.g. Rashford at Utd!

The pressure is off a little bit now so it's a good time to give them 20min here and there to see if they flourish or need more time.  It might save us a few bob after all if we have one or two ready to step into the squad and be in and around the first team next year!

Is Pulis about to break the mould and play / sign younger players who need development rather than 28 yr old tried/ tested players ?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 29, 2016, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: darbolina on April 29, 2016, 12:11:17 PM
Is Pulis about to break the mould and play / sign younger players who need development rather than 28 yr old tried/ tested players ?

I'll save you time and money and tell you now, no.

Pulis likes to talk a good game, and he'll say things in interviews that make you think he's making positive comments, and therefore decisions. But it's the modern way of the Premier League manager - you can say anything you like, safe in the knowledge you'll never get pulled up on it by journalists, and never have to answer to the fans.

Lots of managers heap plaudits on their clubs youth systems, but when it comes to the Premier League they won't throw them in because the financial difference between success (or 40 points in our case) and failure is too great. They will keep playing the experienced players because they want a guarantee of success.

I think the only reason we're giving Roberts and Leko a sight of the first team now is so that they will commit the next two - three years of their development to us, the same thing we did with Izzy Brown (although that didn't work).

And in a couple of years they will be let go like Adil Nabi, Bradley Garmston, or any of the others who've been highly rated by the academy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 29, 2016, 02:06:49 PM
Quote from: Legend on April 29, 2016, 10:36:18 AM
Pulis says the youngsters are going to be given a go. Another myth that he's not interested in our young players has been proven wrong.
Lets see how much game time they get before you start crowing about it. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on April 29, 2016, 04:40:51 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on April 29, 2016, 01:16:16 PM
I'll save you time and money and tell you now, no.

Pulis likes to talk a good game, and he'll say things in interviews that make you think he's making positive comments, and therefore decisions. But it's the modern way of the Premier League manager - you can say anything you like, safe in the knowledge you'll never get pulled up on it by journalists, and never have to answer to the fans.

Lots of managers heap plaudits on their clubs youth systems, but when it comes to the Premier League they won't throw them in because the financial difference between success (or 40 points in our case) and failure is too great. They will keep playing the experienced players because they want a guarantee of success.

I think the only reason we're giving Roberts and Leko a sight of the first team now is so that they will commit the next two - three years of their development to us, the same thing we did with Izzy Brown (although that didn't work).

And in a couple of years they will be let go like Adil Nabi, Bradley Garmston, or any of the others who've been highly rated by the academy.

Sums it up for me. I've stopped listening to the press conferences as it is all a load of drivel. The journos don't have the balls to ask the questions that really need answering. How about asking him why Poco after a solid performance and great assist v Man Utd hasn't even made the bench since for example?

I'll be gobsmacked if any of our kids get more than 20 mins tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 29, 2016, 05:44:39 PM
Quote from: Legend on April 29, 2016, 10:36:18 AM
Pulis says the youngsters are going to be given a go. Another myth that he's not interested in our young players has been proven wrong.
depends on what YOUNG is to pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 29, 2016, 06:38:59 PM
I get the impression those seals on WM Franksie & Rego think they are going to get Mr Pulis in the summer
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 29, 2016, 07:02:54 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 29, 2016, 02:06:49 PM
Lets see how much game time they get before you start crowing about it.

At this stage I couldn't give a toss how good they are.  The fact remains though,  they will never get better if you don't play them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 29, 2016, 07:30:30 PM
Surely we don't hate our neighbours that much?
We have watched when they have gone down the proverbial toilet, and now we want them to have Pulis in charge.

Ermm O K ....we do. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 29, 2016, 07:48:06 PM
Pulls won't go there, I can see him at boro?
The seals are having mick n clipboard
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 29, 2016, 07:49:37 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on April 29, 2016, 07:48:06 PM
Pulls won't go there, I can see him at boro?
The seals are having mick n clipboard


Pulis will stay close to home when Eddie goes ;)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 29, 2016, 08:53:02 PM
Its been widely reported we were after a new director of football.

It been widely reported Tony Pulis is close to signing a new contract.

Nothing to suggest appointment of Hammond will cause Pulis to leave. Wishful thinking I'm afraid, although wouldn't be too concerned if it was true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 29, 2016, 09:02:34 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 29, 2016, 07:49:37 PM

Pulis will stay close to home when Eddie goes ;)
Very good point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on April 29, 2016, 09:09:13 PM
Would Pulis even be a success at Championship level now? Yes, he got Stoke promoted in 2007 but that was almost 10 years ago. It's a different kettle of fish these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 30, 2016, 05:50:49 PM
Please don't give this bloke any money to spend, he will only waste it on six footers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 30, 2016, 06:10:34 PM
The run we have been on he would be sacked at any other point in season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 30, 2016, 06:13:26 PM
2 points out of a possible 21, and unlikely to beat our points total from last season.

How have we progressed since last May?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on April 30, 2016, 06:14:04 PM
lets hope after Liverpool game he walks , or lets see how many season tickets we will sell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on April 30, 2016, 06:23:47 PM
Pulis was absolutely the right man for this season, exactly what we needed. Going forward no, he is too limited. Sack him now and bring in someone to progress us to the next level (it's a tough job mind).

I fear that Peace will keep Pulis as he's happy to retain the status quo and has no real ambition to grow the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 06:24:15 PM
Today's performance fully justifies the use of Pulisball this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 30, 2016, 06:24:50 PM
Yes sack him, dent his ego
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 30, 2016, 06:26:32 PM
 ::)
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 06:24:15 PM
Today's performance fully justifies the use of Pulisball this season.


The more we play pulisball yes more effective I agree, a point here and there
the longer it takes someone else to get out of it. Sack him now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on April 30, 2016, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 30, 2016, 06:13:26 PM
2 points out of a possible 21, and unlikely to beat our points total from last season.

How have we progressed since last May?

I honestly cant get my head round why he is so popular amongst our fans.

I think we have stayed up in spite of him rather than because of him.

Those that say we have a poor squad are wrong IMO.  We have premier league quality throughout the squad with Internationals a plenty and players who have won trophies.  We are capable of playing so much better with the players we have but they are being stifled by this dinosaur.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 06:29:47 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 06:24:15 PM
Today's performance fully justifies the use of Pulisball this season.

I've got to say I agree.

One of the slowest and least technically gifted squad of players in the premiership. We can't successfully play any other way without a significant overhaul of the squad.

Whether Pulis is the the right person in charge to undergo that I don't know, but with Nicky Hammond here now, perhaps there's a possibility we can enhance the quality of an ageing pedestrian squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 30, 2016, 06:38:19 PM
Biggest home defeat along with man city. Because of sky my last home success felling good was Stoke in Jan , in fact that's the last time I have seen us win, shocking loosing by 3 at home
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on April 30, 2016, 06:47:40 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on April 30, 2016, 06:29:19 PM
I honestly cant get my head round why he is so popular amongst our fans.

I think we have stayed up in spite of him rather than because of him.

Those that say we have a poor squad are wrong IMO.  We have premier league quality throughout the squad with Internationals a plenty and players who have won trophies.  We are capable of playing so much better with the players we have but they are being stifled by this dinosaur.

We may have a squad of internationals, but they are mainly playing for third rate countries so it's not exactly a gauge of quality. In my opinion we have a very average, slow and aging squad. We have created quite a bit lately but haven't the quality to convert them.

Pulis can be to blame for some of this, but mainly the squad we have is a result of some terrible transfer windows since the Ashworth days.

If Pulis (he will be here)/Hammond can improve what we have then we might just have more entertainment next season, heck even Rondon might look good, but if we have another poor window then relegation beckons.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 30, 2016, 07:07:26 PM
Quote from: johnthebaggie on April 30, 2016, 06:47:40 PM
We may have a squad of internationals, but they are mainly playing for third rate countries so it's not exactly a gauge of quality. In my opinion we have a very average, slow and aging squad. We have created quite a bit lately but haven't the quality to convert them.

Pulis can be to blame for some of this, but mainly the squad we have is a result of some terrible transfer windows since the Ashworth days.

If Pulis (he will be here)/Hammond can improve what we have then we might just have more entertainment next season, heck even Rondon might look good, but if we have another poor window then relegation beckons.


Couldn't agree more. I don't see why just because you are an international for say Northern Ireland, it means you have 'premiership quality'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 30, 2016, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on April 30, 2016, 07:07:26 PM
Couldn't agree more. I don't see why just because you are an international for say Northern Ireland, it means you have 'premiership quality'
Indeed remember Lugano played for Uruguay was Captain and was selected the best captain in the 2010 FIFA World Cup.After us.Went on to... "On 26 March 2015, Lugano signed for Swedish side BK Häcken on a short term contract until the summer. Lugano became one of the most merited player to ever play in the Swedish top league"..Just one example of an International.
Not the same as being successful in the Prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on April 30, 2016, 07:29:10 PM
The real worry for me is that the team/ individuals are not improving or developing. In fact, a few of them look worse players as time goes by. Arguably, only Dawson has improved as a player under Pulis.

Pulis is a great organiser but he ain't a good enough coach to develop the talented youngsters we have. I'd get rid now with a thanks for him stabilising us for a bit but no thanks for what he could do to our longer term progression and pride!

Taxi.........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on April 30, 2016, 07:51:55 PM
The brutal truth is that if the club hadn't appointed Irvine and had instead grasped the mettle and gone out and got a top coach we wouldn't have had to go to Pulis to keep us up.

Moving forward the decision is to stick or twist armed in the knowledge money will be given for players who will either be hardworking and do what Pulis wants or skilful and left out within weeks as they don't do the dirty stuff enough.

Difficult call but what we can't do is saddle ourselves with players so one dimensional another coach can do nothing with them .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 07:53:55 PM
Now mathematically safe. Well done TP and the players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 30, 2016, 07:57:14 PM
About time we created another poll
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 07:59:51 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 30, 2016, 07:57:14 PM
About time we created another poll

Why? Why not create a poll at 10pm last Monday?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 30, 2016, 08:01:36 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 07:59:51 PM
Why? Why not create a poll at 10pm last Monday?



Yes why not, nothing changes for most
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 30, 2016, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 06:24:15 PM
Today's performance fully justifies the use of Pulisball this season.
Expected this to be trotted out.

Is today's performance a result of a season of Pulisball? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 30, 2016, 08:20:24 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 30, 2016, 08:11:29 PM
Expected this to be trotted out.

Is today's performance a result of a season of Pulisball?
Just looked at the table.Palace ?? No wonder they need Pulis money for keeping them up!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 08:31:02 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 30, 2016, 08:11:29 PM
Expected this to be trotted out.

Is today's performance a result of a season of Pulisball?

No, because today was no different from any other time the handbrake has been let off at home this season, vs. Chelsea, Everton and Leicester to name 3. These players are not good enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on April 30, 2016, 08:31:57 PM
Please, just please go !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 30, 2016, 08:33:21 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on April 30, 2016, 08:20:24 PM
Just looked at the table.Palace ?? No wonder they need Pulis money for keeping them up!!
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say? ???

The point is we spend a season and a half buying players to defend and spend the majority of the time getting them to know how to be defensively solid and to maintain their structure and position and are then surprised that we may struggle to go forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on April 30, 2016, 08:35:33 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 07:53:55 PM
Now mathematically safe. Well done TP and the players.
If Pulis is here at the start of next season and I hope he isn't. I hope you are going to roll this poor run of form over like you used to do when you wanted Clarke out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on April 30, 2016, 08:35:33 PM
If Pulis is here at the start of next season and I hope he isn't. I hope you are going to roll this poor run of form over like you used to do when you wanted Clarke out.

I'm hugely confident I'll never be able to say Pulis only won 4 matches in 12 months. I have no hopes as to your future postings by the way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on April 30, 2016, 08:46:45 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 07:53:55 PM
Now mathematically safe. Well done TP and the players.
Considering the squad we have, it's a miracle we got to 41 points so yes, well done to all involved for grinding us to safety.

It hasn't been pretty but it's been effective, and with any luck we can push on next year.

Let's face it, the be all and end all this season was to stay in the greed league, and that has been done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on April 30, 2016, 08:47:32 PM
There is very little pace in the side and if he cannot see and address that then he has to go!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 30, 2016, 09:18:51 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 08:31:02 PM
No, because today was no different from any other time the handbrake has been let off at home this season, vs. Chelsea, Everton and Leicester to name 3. These players are not good enough.

Not sure you can call letting the handbrake off. We played a 17 year old. 2 holding midfielders and 2 wingers that work hard but are devoid of any real quality.

Letting the handbrake off would be sess Pritchard and mcmannaman all playing behind rondon with our 2 holding midfielders. At no point has Pulis done this. We look ok stifling the best sides away from home. At home our wins have been efficient and lucky.

Yes the squad is poor but they way it is utilised is shocking. 2 points from 21 is shocking and I can't see any more points coming this year.

He needs to go because whilst he's there we will just continue to tread water
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 09:27:03 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on April 30, 2016, 09:18:51 PM
Not sure you can call letting the handbrake off. We played a 17 year old. 2 holding midfielders and 2 wingers that work hard but are devoid of any real quality.

Letting the handbrake off would be sess Pritchard and mcmannaman all playing behind rondon with our 2 holding midfielders. At no point has Pulis done this. We look ok stifling the best sides away from home. At home our wins have been efficient and lucky.

Yes the squad is poor but they way it is utilised is shocking. 2 points from 21 is shocking and I can't see any more points coming this year.

He needs to go because whilst he's there we will just continue to tread water

What's the point playing Pritchard when he won't be here next season? By that same token I doubt McManaman will be either.

We don't need any more points. It was job done a long while ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 30, 2016, 09:28:36 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on April 30, 2016, 08:33:21 PM
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say? ???

The point is we spend a season and a half buying players to defend and spend the majority of the time getting them to know how to be defensively solid and to maintain their structure and position and are then surprised that we may struggle to go forward.
What I am saying is he left them good and dry.
You however will only see the downside of Pulis management.Pulis did the job 2 seasons running. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 30, 2016, 09:29:31 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 09:27:03 PM
What's the point playing Pritchard when he won't be here next season? By that same token I doubt McManaman will be either.

We don't need any more points. It was job done a long while ago.

So what was the point in loaning Pritchard in the first place?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: Aztech on April 30, 2016, 09:29:31 PM
So what was the point in loaning Pritchard in the first place?

We weren't safe when we loaned him?   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 30, 2016, 09:32:41 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 09:29:58 PM
We weren't safe when we loaned him?

When we weren't safe we did not play him, and when we were safe we did not play him.

What was the point?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on April 30, 2016, 09:33:05 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 09:27:03 PM
We don't need any more points. It was job done a long while ago.

And here lies the problem - from the chairman to the manager, from the players to the stands, the small time attitude of "why would we need more than 40 points?". Where is your pride man? Are you seriously happy for us to plod our way to 40 points every single bloody year?

If the dinosaur remains next season, 50 points and a good crack at the cups (ie not surrendering the League Cup by playing a reserve team and Anichebe in central midfield, and not getting well beat by a Championship team in the FA Cup) has to be the minimum requirement. Never mind this 40 point rubbish, we need progress.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 09:34:43 PM
Quote from: Aztech on April 30, 2016, 09:32:41 PM
When we weren't safe we did not play him, and when we were safe we did not play him.

What was the point?

He wasn't fit.

Unfortunately our form improved and we got wins meaning he wasn't needed.

The fundamental point is what's the point playing a player who will not be here next season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on April 30, 2016, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 09:34:43 PM
He wasn't fit.

Unfortunately our form improved and we got wins meaning he wasn't needed.

The fundamental point is what's the point playing a player who will not be here next season?

So why play Berahino?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 09:41:17 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 30, 2016, 09:33:05 PM
And here lies the problem - from the chairman to the manager, from the players to the stands, the small time attitude of "why would we need more than 40 points?". Where is your pride man? Are you seriously happy for us to plod our way to 40 points every single bloody year?

If the dinosaur remains next season, 50 points and a good crack at the cups (ie not surrendering the League Cup by playing a reserve team and Anichebe in central midfield, and not getting well beat by a Championship team in the FA Cup) has to be the minimum requirement. Never mind this 40 point rubbish, we need progress.

We were on 39 points after 29 games? Points per game 1.34

We continue like that we'd have got 51 points.

I could blame Pulis entirely for our shocking downturn in form. However I think is far to rudimentary an explanation. I think it's far more likely the players have taken their foot off the gas and we have played a variety of teams who had far more motivation to win. Pulis does deserve some of the blame of course however this downturn in form is hardly a new phenomenon.

Check Watford's form since they've been safe. Beaten us (missed two pens) and Villa (just).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 09:42:20 PM
Quote from: Aztech on April 30, 2016, 09:37:33 PM
So why play Berahino?

A myriad of reasons.

To extract more money. because he in fact may not leave ect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on April 30, 2016, 09:51:36 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 06:29:47 PM
I've got to say I agree.

One of the slowest and least technically gifted squad of players in the premiership. We can't successfully play any other way without a significant overhaul of the squad.

Whether Pulis is the the right person in charge to undergo that I don't know, but with Nicky Hammond here now, perhaps there's a possibility we can enhance the quality of an ageing pedestrian squad.
At what point does Pulis start to take some responsibility for this?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 09:55:16 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on April 30, 2016, 09:51:36 PM
At what point does Pulis start to take some responsibility for this?

I think he does deserve some. But we have had many seasons of poor recruitment before he arrived.

We had an ageing squad with slow players. I think he has tried to address this in fairness.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 30, 2016, 09:58:49 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on April 30, 2016, 09:51:36 PM
At what point does Pulis start to take some responsibility for this?
At what point to people like you give a bit on him keeping us up in the Prem?
If you think apart from Hodgson we have had a safe pair of hands.
I am not sure and others on this site have refused to answer who could do the job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on April 30, 2016, 09:51:36 PM
At what point does Pulis start to take some responsibility for this?

Would begin after the summer transfer window, but could only be fully pinned on him after summer 2017 window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 30, 2016, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 09:27:03 PM
What's the point playing Pritchard when he won't be here next season? By that same token I doubt McManaman will be either.

We don't need any more points. It was job done a long while ago.

I agree in both cases I was just pointing out to jacko we havent once gone for it. Playing Gardner and McLean and a 17 year old isn't going for it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on April 30, 2016, 10:19:49 PM
I agree in both cases I was just pointing out to jacko we havent once gone for it. Playing Gardner and McLean and a 17 year old isn't going for it

Who would you play instead?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on April 30, 2016, 10:44:41 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 09:27:03 PM
What's the point playing Pritchard when he won't be here next season? By that same token I doubt McManaman will be either.

We don't need any more points. It was job done a long while ago.

Of course we need more points...higher place finish, more cash into the club, might even attract better players come in the summer.

I hate this kind of attitude...perhaps they shouldn't charge us too watch after we get to 40 points if they are not going to be competitive

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 10:47:22 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on April 30, 2016, 10:44:41 PM
Of course we need more points...higher place finish, more cash into the club, might even attract better players come in the summer.

I hate this kind of attitude...perhaps they shouldn't charge us too watch after we get to 40 points if they are not going to be competitive

I want us to win friendly matches. It's the players who matter and who aren't motivated.

The money bewteen 11th and 14th is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 10:49:24 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on April 30, 2016, 10:19:49 PM
I agree in both cases I was just pointing out to jacko we havent once gone for it. Playing Gardner and McLean and a 17 year old isn't going for it

All the games I mentioned including today we played much further up the pitch and got picked off, I wasn't talking about personnel I was talking about shape and approach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 11:01:47 PM
I can understand people saying we haven't progressed this season. I agree, but I would add the caveat that we hired a new manager midway through last season; this is a very obvious motivational factor for the players, one that we haven't had/needed this season.

We'll most likely end up with slightly less points than last season (44 last season) and finish slightly lower down (13th last season), almost identical home and away form to last season too. Not much difference between goals scored and goals conceded either. So a sensible conclusion would be to say we have stagnated this season.

I would suggest based on the evidence we have not improved sufficiently enough from a goal scoring perspective. People can argue whether this down to style or down to personnel. Clearly it's a mixture of both; we can argue all day about what the ratio is. I do believe if you add a few creative quality players into the mix we'd push on to be a mid to top half table team. Also this would improve the spectacle as we'd create more chances and score more goals. I think the detractors would argue there is no room for creative players in Pulis' rigid system. I disagree with this because Morrison was clearly liked by Pulis. Sessegnon may not get many assists but this was obviously his primary role, it's not Pulis' fault he's not good at it. He bought Mcmanaman clearly with the intention to address this issue but for whatever reason this signing hasn't worked out, some signings don't. One of our most creative players is Chris Brunt who has played in a position you wouldn't normally play a creative type of player. 

If Pulis does not try and attempt to fix the lack of creativity and lack of goals in our team next season I'll line up with everyone else to criticise him. The same as I'll criticise him if we score more but ship a lot more in too. I agree with many that the football has been dreary to watch but I think Leicester have proved this season it doesn't need to be tippy tappy, high percent possession football to overachieve and be successful. This type of football is actually not progressive football, it's football to indulge the selfish egos of the so called 'purists'; people who care more about themselves than the club.

Whatever you think of Pulis let's try and look at the positives. We will receive a lot of money for staying in the premiership this season. We have stayed up with ease and without anxiety. We have a highly regarded technical director in place, so it will minimise some of Pulis' control, and it has proven to be the model that has provided us with the most success in the past. We will be the only West Midalnds team in the Premiership next season. Hopefully we can consolidate this and attract more quality youngsters to our excellent academy and perhaps pick up more fans along the way too.

Onwards and upwards Baggies fans. If you still feel down just go and laugh at Villa or Wolves. Simple.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 30, 2016, 11:59:56 PM
I am not prepared to just say because villa and wolves are going through it that I'm happy.
Some say we have a poor squad, that is not the case
Our best two cb's are playing lb and rb, is it because we don't have a lb and rb?
No
It's because TP can't get beyond his personality problem so won't trust attacking international wing backs, he would rather play a succession of midfielders and cb's
Chester, the CB , signs and is put at rb vs Man City , surprisingly he doesn't have much fun but then gets bombed from the team?, woeful man management .
So many handled poorly, berahino,Chester,gnabry,Pritchard , gamboa, poco, even go as far as to ask why myhill was not brought in sooner when golden gloves form dipped off AGAIN?
I respect tp's record, I know what he brings, but I won't enter the ground again whilst he's here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 01, 2016, 12:50:44 AM
The coach take's the credit when a team are doing well and take's the blame when a team are on a bad run of form. I for one think that JP should say thanks for keeping us in Prem but we need a coach that can push us on, and on the evidence of this season 40 point pulis is not the man.
From the start of season he's failed to get our  number one asset fit for the season never mind scoring goals, persists in playing players out of position and his idea of football well do we really need a pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 01, 2016, 09:13:49 AM
For those that are wondering what kind of poor form would make Peace take action;

Alan Irvine was sacked after 1 win in 9 games.
Pepe Mel was sacked after 2 wins in 9 games.
Steve Clarke was sacked after 1 win in 9 games.
Roberto Di Matteo was sacked after 1 win in 9 games.

We are currently winless in 7, the players are not motivated, the fans are turning.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on May 01, 2016, 09:22:21 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 01, 2016, 09:13:49 AM
For those that are wondering what kind of poor form would make Peace take action;

Alan Irvine was sacked after 1 win in 9 games.
Pepe Mel was sacked after 2 wins in 9 games.
Steve Clarke was sacked after 1 win in 9 games.
Roberto Di Matteo was sacked after 1 win in 9 games.

We are currently winless in 7, the players are not motivated, the fans are turning.

I don't think you understand context.

We were safe before the run began.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 01, 2016, 09:23:51 AM
Quote from: KingKoren on May 01, 2016, 09:22:21 AM
I don't think you understand context.

We were safe before the run began.

I don't think you understand garbage football and abysmal form.

"We are safe so those games don't count", absolute classic ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on May 01, 2016, 09:32:30 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 01, 2016, 09:23:51 AM
I don't think you understand garbage football and abysmal form.

"We are safe so those games don't count", absolute classic ;D ;D ;D

I'm no fan of Pulis' football. I was no fan of Roy's either. Or Mowbray's in the premiership. I wanted the club to win every game despite this.

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. However it almost goes without saying that there is less imperative to win when you're already safe. I'd love to see our form when we have little/nothing to play for compared to when we do. I won't attribute it all to Pulis, although yes he does deserve criticism.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 01, 2016, 09:37:20 AM
Can we also just clarify that we were only mathematically safe when Norwich lost last night - at no point during this 7 game (and counting) winless run have we actually been safe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on May 01, 2016, 09:39:50 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 01, 2016, 09:37:20 AM
Can we also just clarify that we were only mathematically safe when Norwich lost last night - at no point during this 7 game (and counting) winless run have we actually been safe.

Yes but there's mathematically safe and there's realistically safe. One club might win 4 or 5 of their remaining games but not all three.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on May 01, 2016, 09:46:12 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 01, 2016, 09:37:20 AM
Can we also just clarify that we were only mathematically safe when Norwich lost last night - at no point during this 7 game (and counting) winless run have we actually been safe.

Mathematically yes. In reality we were very safe. Everton were only made safe yesterday. I don't think they were ever seriously worried about relegation.

Also, if there was a massive upturn in form from all the teams below- that threatened our Premiership status - perhaps this would be a motivational factor for us to play better. I think it would have.

I think that a team that plays the way we do it was more difficult and the margins in the premiership are very small.  In this run our best performances generally have been against the better sides. Tottenham, Leicester, Man City. I don't think this is surprising.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on May 01, 2016, 09:54:38 AM
Teams with the worst form in the league currently.

13   Watford   6   2   1   3   7   12   -5   7   lldwlw
14   Swansea   6   2   1   3   6   12   -6   7   lwdwll
15   Crystal P   6   1   3   2   4   6   -2   6   dwddll
16   Everton   6   1   3   2   4   8   -4   6   ldddlw
17   Stoke   6   1   2   3   6   16   -10   5   wdllld
18   Bournemouth   6   1   0   5   5   16   -11   llwlll
19   West Brom6   0   2   4   2   9   -7   2   dllldl
20   Aston Villa 6   0   0   6   5   15   -10   0   llllll

I'd argue they all have something in common. Nothing to play for. How weird.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 01, 2016, 10:14:44 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 08:31:02 PM
No, because today was no different from any other time the handbrake has been let off at home this season, vs. Chelsea, Everton and Leicester to name 3. These players are not good enough.

Our players are conditioned to retain shape, get behind the ball, defend deep work hard and hope to get an opportunity from a set piece. It is what Pulis does and he is successful at it. You can't even really call his sides counter attacking because they don't attack the opposition goal at speed they look for set piece opportunities.

Parking we have sussed but I'd expect a learner driver to be coached in how to go forward before he gets to let the handbrake off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 01, 2016, 10:20:48 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on April 30, 2016, 09:33:05 PM
And here lies the problem - from the chairman to the manager, from the players to the stands, the small time attitude of "why would we need more than 40 points?". Where is your pride man? Are you seriously happy for us to plod our way to 40 points every single bloody year?


You're a fan base that openly celebrated tippy tapping your way to 20th place. Fast forward a few years and you were more than happy for Pepe Mel to have a 17% win rate. You're reaping what you sowed now chaps. Viva the Albion Way ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on May 01, 2016, 10:25:27 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 01, 2016, 10:20:48 AM
You're a fan base that openly celebrated tippy tapping your way to 20th place. Fast forward a few years and you were more than happy for Pepe Mel to have a 17% win rate. You're reaping what you sowed now chaps. Viva the Albion Way ;)

This is far more embarrassing than supporting Pulis.

Fans wore Mowbray masks when the man got us relegated because he put himself before the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 01, 2016, 10:45:45 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 01, 2016, 10:20:48 AM
You're a fan base that openly celebrated tippy tapping your way to 20th place. Fast forward a few years and you were more than happy for Pepe Mel to have a 17% win rate. You're reaping what you sowed now chaps. Viva the Albion Way ;)

You don't half talk some absolute **** (apparently I can say this as you are an away fan  ;))

As a fan base I note that you are celebrating the style that you play now and appear to be enjoying it significantly more than the style you played under your beloved Tony.

Perhaps under Mowbray we should have been more pragmatic and played ugly, pins in your eyes football and we might have stayed up. We would also have missed a season of obtaining 90+ points, scoring 89 goals and winning 26 matches. (Stoke in the same season scored 34 goals, the same amount as two sides who get relegated and only 2 more than the lowest scorers in the league whilst grinding out 47 points.. a notable achievement.. but must have been awful to watch)

Under Pepe Mel, we won 3 of his last 10 games in charge. Your Tony has managed just the two  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 01, 2016, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 01, 2016, 10:14:44 AM
Our players are conditioned to retain shape, get behind the ball, defend deep work hard and hope to get an opportunity from a set piece. It is what Pulis does and he is successful at it. You can't even really call his sides counter attacking because they don't attack the opposition goal at speed they look for set piece opportunities.

Parking we have sussed but I'd expect a learner driver to be coached in how to go forward before he gets to let the handbrake off.


I din't see a great deal of retaining shape yesterday, WHU pulled us all over the place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 01, 2016, 01:30:28 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 01, 2016, 10:20:48 AM
You're a fan base that openly celebrated tippy tapping your way to 20th place. Fast forward a few years and you were more than happy for Pepe Mel to have a 17% win rate. You're reaping what you sowed now chaps. Viva the Albion Way ;)

With respect Stokelad, we've a rich history of playing fantastic football in a few periods of our past. We've also had long periods of being awful on and off the pitch. This whole thread has become focused on the fact that iwe'd rather revert to what we had under Ardiles, Di Matteo, Hodgson  and Mowbray during the better recent times. We had Megson when we needed him but moved on just like Pulis has been fine for a bit for us but now it's time to move on and let him fluff his ego elsewhere by 'saving' another poor, desperate lower premier league club for the 'desperation' of relegation.

Only masocists would put up with him for a long time! 😉
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on May 01, 2016, 01:43:56 PM
Not sure if I've read the table right, but we are not mathematically safe yet. If Sunderland win their remaining three games and we lose our two, we can still go down on goal difference as they can still get to 41 points. That's also providing that the teams below us win.

That being said I'm not sure we can celebrate our safety yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on May 01, 2016, 01:52:50 PM
Quote from: 17GD on May 01, 2016, 01:43:56 PM
Not sure if I've read the table right, but we are not mathematically safe yet. If Sunderland win their remaining three games and we lose our two, we can still go down on goal difference as they can still get to 41 points. That's also providing that the teams below us win.

That being said I'm not sure we can celebrate our safety yet.

Newcastle can't reach us if they win all their games so villa Norwich and Newcastle guaranteed not to overtake us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 01, 2016, 02:41:36 PM
Quote from: 17GD on May 01, 2016, 01:43:56 PM
Not sure if I've read the table right, but we are not mathematically safe yet. If Sunderland win their remaining three games and we lose our two, we can still go down on goal difference as they can still get to 41 points. That's also providing that the teams below us win.

That being said I'm not sure we can celebrate our safety yet.
Definitely safe, Norwich can only get to 40 and Newcastle 39 now, and Villa can get to....  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 01, 2016, 02:59:20 PM
If the last 7 games "don't count" then why as fans have we been charged full price to watch a half arsed team performance?

I'm sorry but excusing a winless run of 7 games is absolute and utter nonsense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on May 01, 2016, 03:04:36 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 01, 2016, 02:59:20 PM
If the last 7 games "don't count" then why as fans have we been charged full price to watch a half arsed team performance?

I'm sorry but excusing a winless run of 7 games is absolute and utter nonsense.

You weren't forced to go.

Did you offer to pay more when we won games we weren't expected to?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 01, 2016, 04:01:19 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on May 01, 2016, 03:04:36 PM
You weren't forced to go.

Did you offer to pay more when we won games we weren't expected to?
Don't we charge more for Category "A" games and shouldn't we expect our professional football team to try to win every game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on May 01, 2016, 04:12:23 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 01, 2016, 04:01:19 PM
Don't we charge more for Category "A" games and shouldn't we expect our professional football team to try to win every game?

I was just scoffing at the idea of paying based on performance, when you can't predict performance. Also players aren't going to alter their levels based on how much we pay.

You could say the same for other team. I made the point earlier our best performances were against the better teams. Man City, Leicester and Tottenham. I've also highlighted how the teams with the current worst form in the premiership have nothing to play for. We aren't special or different.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 01, 2016, 04:19:04 PM
Some barmy posts on here today lads. Yes no win in 7 is dreadful form, but as has been stated these things have to be taken in context. The other runs of poor form alluded to by Lloydy all came mid season where a continuation of said form would result in our Premier League status being in jeopardy. If this current bad run of form continues, hey ho the season finishes in two weeks and we're safe, in other words, to the club at least, it doesn't really matter.

If we continue this way up to mid October next season Pulis will be sacked, but the fact is, when it really matters this team of workers pulls results out of the bag though sheer belligerence.

I expect us to improve markedly next term, and if we don't then assuming we've had a successful window questions will need to be asked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 01, 2016, 04:19:22 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on May 01, 2016, 04:12:23 PM
I was just scoffing at the idea of paying based on performance, when you can't predict performance. Also players aren't going to alter their levels based on how much we pay.

You could say the same for other team. I made the point earlier our best performances were against the better teams. Man City, Leicester and Tottenham. I've also highlighted how the teams with the current worst form in the premiership have nothing to play for. We aren't special or different.

I think the problem is King Koren. If we had achieved 40 points by playing something that remotely represented football, our fan base would be much more ok with results we've seen in the last 7 games.

The fact is we've been bored out of our mind all season and now we don't even have scrappy 1-0's to cast a silver lining over that cloud, because like you said, now that we have safe the work rate always takes a hit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on May 01, 2016, 04:27:05 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on May 01, 2016, 04:19:22 PM
I think the problem is King Koren. If we had achieved 40 points by playing something that remotely represented football, our fan base would be much more ok with results we've seen in the last 7 games.

The fact is we've been bored out of our mind all season and now we don't even have scrappy 1-0's to cast a silver lining over that cloud, because like you said, now that we have safe the work rate always takes a hit.

I'm not defending the entertainment of the football. I would say the whole entertainment question is subjective, however it's evident most fans are not happy with it, and I'm included in that.

I only defend Pulis because I think a lot of the criticism is not balanced. If this form continues into next season he should be sacked. I don't think it will though. Also I want to look at the positives which I've outlined in a previous post.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on May 01, 2016, 05:54:20 PM
Was talking about Pulis last night and for me i wouldnt be bothered if stayed but wouldnt be bothered if he left.

If he stayed, chances are we will be a premier league club which for the club itself can only be a good thing, however as a fan if the majority of games this season are anything to go by, i would lose more and more interest and enthusiasm in the Albion, i just find it an effort, tedious and frustrating lately.

Yesterday i thought we started okay, Pulis isnt to blame for Gardner or Berahino missing two or three sitters. However, when you start most games with a midfield containing Yacob, Fletcher, Mclean and Gardner, you know you wont create much and you wont score more than one goal a game very often.

Gardner and Mclean should be backup players, not first team regulars, i also think Fletcher needs to change his role, he is a good player and i think been a decent signing but he is 32 now and his high energy role is starting to have less and less impact on games. I said previous i think he could sit back a bit more and do Yacobs role but he offers more on the ball then Yacob.

We also havent addressed the left  back problem, i cannot understand how bad Poco must be that even in dead rubber games like now he cannot get a game, instead we have reverted back to MacAuley and Olsson (Olsson should also be a backup player now) and playing our best player at left back, Evans does okay there but isnt a natural and with him and Mclean on the left we have no quality going forward at all.

Obviously its getting to decision time because Pulis is saying all the right things about what we need to buy but based on his track record with us and Stoke, do you trust him to rebuild? I dont thinkl i would, i think we will be getting Mcleans, Olssons, Gardners, 100% effort (can very rarely accuse Pulis teams of not giving their all) but not great quality. I would also put Rondon in that 100% catergory at the moment but difference with him is he clearly has quality but aside from the odd glimpse, its gradually been sucked out of him and he has become a workhorse.

We have shown this season, especially at home, if teams come and make it tough for us (its happened throughout the season but Norwich and Watford spring to mind lately) we have no plan b, we are very predictable and i would imagine fairly easy to scout to play against at home, next season we have to have a player or two who can offer something different, not more of the same which is what i fear.

Now we have appointed Hammond, personally i think we will keep Pulis another year, he probably offers the best option to keep us in the league, give him free reign, get the money again and over the next year Hammond will get his role in place, scouting, etc and next summer we will get a head coach in like we used too under Ashworth, with Hammond having a bigger influence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 01, 2016, 06:40:46 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2016, 10:49:24 PM
All the games I mentioned including today we played much further up the pitch and got picked off, I wasn't talking about personnel I was talking about shape and approach.

Could play as high up the pitch as you wanted the side Pulis constantly picks will never do the business. Pritchard is going back in 2 games we haven't seen any if him. Mcmannaman not given a game. Surely either of these would offer more going forward than McLean and Gardner
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 01, 2016, 06:48:48 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on May 01, 2016, 06:40:46 PM
Could play as high up the pitch as you wanted the side Pulis constantly picks will never do the business. Pritchard is going back in 2 games we haven't seen any if him. Mcmannaman not given a game. Surely either of these would offer more going forward than McLean and Gardner

Pritchard was only ever brought in as cover and has been injured for the 4 games prior to Saturday.

I have it on good authority (ITK) that Callum McManaman and Pulis had a massive falling out, and McManaman will leave in the summer. He would have been sold in January had he not got injured.

McClean and Gardner are technically poor no doubt, but they do as Pulis asks them, and are model trainers/professionals, both are also contracted next season, so why not give them the chance to the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 01, 2016, 07:00:18 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 01, 2016, 06:48:48 PM
Pritchard was only ever brought in as cover and has been injured for the 4 games prior to Saturday.

I have it on good authority (ITK) that Callum McManaman and Pulis had a massive falling out, and McManaman will leave in the summer. He would have been sold in January had he not got injured.

McClean and Gardner are technically poor no doubt, but they do as Pulis asks them, and are model trainers/professionals, both are also contracted next season, so why not give them the chance to the end of the season.

This is the problem mate Pulis is reluctant to play our technically better players and if he is forced to play sessengon he is given the task of being our only outlet and expected to create everything. Hence why I laughed at the idea when you said the games we have let off the handbrake. The handbrake has not once been let off this season we have just been forced to play higher up the pitch agaiabt better sides and have been picked off.

I can't think of a game this season where we have thoroughly deserved a win and truly outclassed an opposition. Flukey win at home v Sunderland and equally so away at villa where a wayward shot hit Berahino. Away at stoke we relied on 2 sending offs.

Yes agree we have an awful squad but the manager makes things worse by not playing people in the right positions and sticking to his favourites. If we don't win 1 of our last 2 games his winless will be as bad a Mel, RDM Irvine and Clarke...

Hoping he goes ASAP so the rebuild can begin
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 01, 2016, 08:10:16 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 01, 2016, 10:20:48 AM
You're a fan base that openly celebrated tippy tapping your way to 20th place. Fast forward a few years and you were more than happy for Pepe Mel to have a 17% win rate. You're reaping what you sowed now chaps. Viva the Albion Way ;)

I'd stop these sort of posts if I was you.

May I remind you that you're a guest on here so please stop with the sarcastic, condescending posts which are seeking a reaction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 01, 2016, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on May 01, 2016, 08:10:16 PM
I'd stop these sort of posts if I was you.

May I remind you that you're a guest on here so please stop with the sarcastic, condescending posts which are seeking a reaction.

If he'd left off the last 2 sentences it'd be hard to argue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on May 02, 2016, 12:33:25 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on May 01, 2016, 05:54:20 PM
Was talking about Pulis last night and for me i wouldnt be bothered if stayed but wouldnt be bothered if he left.

If he stayed, chances are we will be a premier league club which for the club itself can only be a good thing, however as a fan if the majority of games this season are anything to go by, i would lose more and more interest and enthusiasm in the Albion, i just find it an effort, tedious and frustrating lately.

Yesterday i thought we started okay, Pulis isnt to blame for Gardner or Berahino missing two or three sitters. However, when you start most games with a midfield containing Yacob, Fletcher, Mclean and Gardner, you know you wont create much and you wont score more than one goal a game very often.

Gardner and Mclean should be backup players, not first team regulars, i also think Fletcher needs to change his role, he is a good player and i think been a decent signing but he is 32 now and his high energy role is starting to have less and less impact on games. I said previous i think he could sit back a bit more and do Yacobs role but he offers more on the ball then Yacob.

We also havent addressed the left  back problem, i cannot understand how bad Poco must be that even in dead rubber games like now he cannot get a game, instead we have reverted back to MacAuley and Olsson (Olsson should also be a backup player now) and playing our best player at left back, Evans does okay there but isnt a natural and with him and Mclean on the left we have no quality going forward at all.

Obviously its getting to decision time because Pulis is saying all the right things about what we need to buy but based on his track record with us and Stoke, do you trust him to rebuild? I dont thinkl i would, i think we will be getting Mcleans, Olssons, Gardners, 100% effort (can very rarely accuse Pulis teams of not giving their all) but not great quality. I would also put Rondon in that 100% catergory at the moment but difference with him is he clearly has quality but aside from the odd glimpse, its gradually been sucked out of him and he has become a workhorse.

We have shown this season, especially at home, if teams come and make it tough for us (its happened throughout the season but Norwich and Watford spring to mind lately) we have no plan b, we are very predictable and i would imagine fairly easy to scout to play against at home, next season we have to have a player or two who can offer something different, not more of the same which is what i fear.

Now we have appointed Hammond, personally i think we will keep Pulis another year, he probably offers the best option to keep us in the league, give him free reign, get the money again and over the next year Hammond will get his role in place, scouting, etc and next summer we will get a head coach in like we used too under Ashworth, with Hammond having a bigger influence.
the most accurate and best post ive read for a long time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 02, 2016, 09:16:07 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 01, 2016, 10:16:24 PM
If he'd left off the last 2 sentences it'd be hard to argue.
In other words, you regard sacking Pepe Mel as justified, despite him not signing any players of his choosing and only being here a few months, but you've also stated that you wouldn't regard Pulis as being fully responsible for what happens on the pitch until after summer 2017 transfer window. There's nothing like a bit of consistency and fairness is there....

I'll resist getting drawn in too much again to the tedious slagging off of Mowbray, who achieved an unprecedented amount at this club during his time with us. I can't help but wonder what Pepe Mel's side would look like now if he'd been able to sign 11 players. Pulis has already had longer here than most managers seem to get these days, so he has to be regarded as fully accountable now, given how football management operates these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 02, 2016, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 02, 2016, 09:16:07 AM
In other words, you regard sacking Pepe Mel as justified, despite him not signing any players of his choosing and only being here a few months, but you've also stated that you wouldn't regard Pulis as being fully responsible for what happens on the pitch until after summer 2017 transfer window. There's nothing like a bit of consistency and fairness is there....

I'll resist getting drawn in too much again to the tedious slagging off of Mowbray, who achieved an unprecedented amount at this club during his time with us. I can't help but wonder what Pepe Mel's side would look like now if he'd been able to sign 11 players. Pulis has already had longer here than most managers seem to get these days, so he has to be regarded as fully accountable now, given how football management operates these days.

Probably in the same position as Betis are now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 02, 2016, 09:51:53 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 02, 2016, 09:16:07 AM
In other words, you regard sacking Pepe Mel as justified, despite him not signing any players of his choosing and only being here a few months, but you've also stated that you wouldn't regard Pulis as being fully responsible for what happens on the pitch until after summer 2017 transfer window. There's nothing like a bit of consistency and fairness is there....

I'll resist getting drawn in too much again to the tedious slagging off of Mowbray, who achieved an unprecedented amount at this club during his time with us. I can't help but wonder what Pepe Mel's side would look like now if he'd been able to sign 11 players. Pulis has already had longer here than most managers seem to get these days, so he has to be regarded as fully accountable now, given how football management operates these days.

Pulis does get away with a bit more than Irvine, Clarke and others have done but his longer term record of results speaks for itself compared to the others. History seems to be being very kind to Pepe Mel -  it was widely known that the players just weren't having him and he'd lost the dressing room to the point that the players and Downing stepped up to keep us up and he was only there to take press conferences ; He's not the sort of 'leader' I'd like us to have.

There are plenty of other creative, open minded coaches out there who'd love a crack at leading us. The question for the club is when is that time right to make a change, this summer or next.? Football teams evolve over time (look at Leicester) so I don't dismiss Pulis' affect on building a strong backbone for us but I think we'll have a better chance of playing good football and staying up without him in the future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 02, 2016, 10:01:18 AM
I actually think Pulis is judged harsher than any other manager we've had by our fans because of his reputation at Stoke and the fact that we've been in the Premier League for a fair few years now that fans are getting bored of Premier League mid table life. The season before Pulis took over we finished 17th and the club was a bit of a mess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 02, 2016, 10:10:06 AM
What the defeat to West Ham demonstrated, was that we need some real quality in forward areas and yes I agree, Evans played in his correct position with a competent full back.

We lost Brunt who was doing a decent job at full back, we have lost Morrison who has a lot more quality than Gardner, we have Berahino who has self destructed his own career.

We made a healthy profit last season, this should have been spent on a quality forward player, although the loss of Morrison could not have been forseen, the situation with Berahino could. Pulis is not to blame for this and a quality player in the forward areas would have resulted in a more comfortable mid table finish and a more enjoyable end of season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 02, 2016, 10:44:30 AM
Pulis's track record can be used for or against him. The much heralded never been relegated becomes a guarantee of survival but then again his approach hasn't varied nor the outcomes been very different across three different clubs regardless of the players that were at his disposal and they can't all have been rubbish.

Stoke City was the way he wanted it. That is it that's the model and that is what it looks like. Low possession low shots defensively solid and generally boring as hell to watch. That was a team that he assembled when the owners were subsidising his work in the transfer market to the tune of £60m that is not a fortune but it is £60m more than would have been available to our managers during his tenure at Stoke and I know which side I would have been happier watching.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on May 02, 2016, 01:56:31 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 02, 2016, 10:10:06 AM
What the defeat to West Ham demonstrated, was that we need some real quality in forward areas and yes I agree, Evans played in his correct position with a competent full back.

We lost Brunt who was doing a decent job at full back, we have lost Morrison who has a lot more quality than Gardner, we have Berahino who has self destructed his own career.

We made a healthy profit last season, this should have been spent on a quality forward player, although the loss of Morrison could not have been forseen, the situation with Berahino could. Pulis is not to blame for this and a quality player in the forward areas would have resulted in a more comfortable mid table finish and a more enjoyable end of season.

No point investing in forward players if they play in a team that creates few chances and the ball is often lumped up to them. For a few years now Morrison and brunt have been the subject of much debate about whether they are good enough or not, yet some are now highlighting them as our better passing and attacking players. All to make sure we survive through Pulisball.

Our expectations have sunk so low its unbelievable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 02, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
I don't think it's anything to do with 'Pulisball' - we have lacked pace and movement generally as a side for several years now. Pulis has made attempts at addressing this and will hopefully continue to do so.
Brunt and Morrison are still our best passers but when they are fit, they need players making runs into space which is not a strong point of our squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on May 02, 2016, 02:28:36 PM
I don't hate Pulis for the style of play.  He has a method that works and he his delivering success as measured by a very comfortable Premier League survive by early April.

I don't hate JP for putting the preservation of PL revenues and his £150m value ahead of all else.  It's perfectly understandable and I'd do the same in his position.

I don't hate Jonas, Gardener,  McClean etc for being limited footballers playing to a formula given them by their boss.  Most of us do what our boss tells us,  even if we think we have a better way of getting a job done.

I don't think I've ever actually hated (a pretty strong word) anyone at West Brom.  Bully, Goodman,  Odemwingie have been pantomime villains but would I actually wish them or their family harm? No.

What I do hate is the way my own enthusiasm is slowly going and I wonder if it will be replaced.  I had great fun at Spurs last week but that was all about telling them that rubbish Albion had been in their half/ had a shot/ scored a goal/ cost them the league.  I honestly wasn't that bothered whether we won or drew.   Against West Ham I had great fun with mates before and after but the match was irrelevant.   

Some of the LIFE'S great memories (up there with wedding, birth of kids,  first ferrari etc) have been at the Albion.  Some of these were in the PL (Great Escape, 1-5, beating Villa etc) and others lower down (Swansea semi, Port Vale final, THAT penalty etc).    I have sat glued to the radio,  travelled the country and had moments of the purest elation with Albion.  Now I just don't really care and it feels like the loss of an old friend or a sense of smell or sight.   

I would be happy with almost anything to get that feeling back.  Even if it meant relegation and having to fall in love with a whole bunch of new SKP, Clement, Hoult etc and starting to care about Albion again,  I just want my old Albion back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 02, 2016, 02:54:29 PM
Quote from: stoxman on May 02, 2016, 02:28:36 PM
I don't hate Pulis for the style of play.  He has a method that works and he his delivering success as measured by a very comfortable Premier League survive by early April.

I don't hate JP for putting the preservation of PL revenues and his £150m value ahead of all else.  It's perfectly understandable and I'd do the same in his position.

I don't hate Jonas, Gardener,  McClean etc for being limited footballers playing to a formula given them by their boss.  Most of us do what our boss tells us,  even if we think we have a better way of getting a job done.

I don't think I've ever actually hated (a pretty strong word) anyone at West Brom.  Bully, Goodman,  Odemwingie have been pantomime villains but would I actually wish them or their family harm? No.

What I do hate is the way my own enthusiasm is slowly going and I wonder if it will be replaced.  I had great fun at Spurs last week but that was all about telling them that rubbish Albion had been in their half/ had a shot/ scored a goal/ cost them the league.  I honestly wasn't that bothered whether we won or drew.   Against West Ham I had great fun with mates before and after but the match was irrelevant.   

Some of the LIFE'S great memories (up there with wedding, birth of kids,  first ferrari etc) have been at the Albion.  Some of these were in the PL (Great Escape, 1-5, beating Villa etc) and others lower down (Swansea semi, Port Vale final, THAT penalty etc).    I have sat glued to the radio,  travelled the country and had moments of the purest elation with Albion.  Now I just don't really care and it feels like the loss of an old friend or a sense of smell or sight.   

I would be happy with almost anything to get that feeling back.  Even if it meant relegation and having to fall in love with a whole bunch of new SKP, Clement, Hoult etc and starting to care about Albion again,  I just want my old Albion back.

I'm afraid life is like that, once you have done it, had that feeling, you spent the rest of your life trying to re kindle or replicate that which you can only really have once, sad but true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on May 02, 2016, 03:05:27 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 02, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
I don't think it's anything to do with 'Pulisball' - we have lacked pace and movement generally as a side for several years now. Pulis has made attempts at addressing this and will hopefully continue to do so.
Brunt and Morrison are still our best passers but when they are fit, they need players making runs into space which is not a strong point of our squad.

Brunt and Morrison were signed ages ago, when we were in the championship, and yet they are still our best passers of the ball. Hardly progress is it.

Pulis sticks with his favourites which means decent players don't get a game and many are out of position. Our best centre back plays at left back, our best left back nowhere to be seen despite playing well when he does get a start, a midfield of hard workers and .......

Actually, I'm boring myself with this now. The toing and froing of Pulis arguments has really killed my interest. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on May 02, 2016, 03:11:59 PM
Have to say agree with most of what stoxman says, at the moment its a bit of 'not arsed' feeling.

I do think you can get it back, i think if your a Leicester or West Ham fan, maybe even a Southampton fan, you would be excited now because they are pushing on and possibly entering into new territory (Leicester winning the league is probably a once in a lifetime event to be fair) Even Crystal Palace with a FA Cup final to look forward too.

I think if you keep entering new territories, or at least trying it keeps the interest, for us the next step would be a good semi final or final (luck can play a part but we have let ourselves down over the last few years too) or pushing for that top 6, even if you dont get it, it will be interesting to have a go.

If you dont do that and your going to be a perennial 17th - 11th club with no cup run, then you need a brand of football that has some excitement and keeps people interested which aside from the odd occasion this season ours hasnt.

I think if we played in the next few seasons like we have done the last few seasons (ie - stay in the league play poor football, no cup or european aim - not entirely Pulis fault) then i think in a few years time our attendances would be down to the 14-16k mark.

Thats the big question, do you trust Pulis to build the side with the hope we do have more aspirations or will he build it to stay in the league and just add a few players each summer who will do that.

JP may have something to do with that, i imagine Pulis was told keep us in the league however possible this year which i think suits Pulis approach anyway, its what happens from here i think is important.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 02, 2016, 03:30:15 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on May 02, 2016, 03:11:59 PM
Have to say agree with most of what stoxman says, at the moment its a bit of 'not arsed' feeling.

I do think you can get it back, i think if your a Leicester or West Ham fan, maybe even a Southampton fan, you would be excited now because they are pushing on and possibly entering into new territory (Leicester winning the league is probably a once in a lifetime event to be fair) Even Crystal Palace with a FA Cup final to look forward too.

I think if you keep entering new territories, or at least trying it keeps the interest, for us the next step would be a good semi final or final (luck can play a part but we have let ourselves down over the last few years too) or pushing for that top 6, even if you dont get it, it will be interesting to have a go.

If you dont do that and your going to be a perennial 17th - 11th club with no cup run, then you need a brand of football that has some excitement and keeps people interested which aside from the odd occasion this season ours hasnt.

I think if we played in the next few seasons like we have done the last few seasons (ie - stay in the league play poor football, no cup or european aim - not entirely Pulis fault) then i think in a few years time our attendances would be down to the 14-16k mark.

Thats the big question, do you trust Pulis to build the side with the hope we do have more aspirations or will he build it to stay in the league and just add a few players each summer who will do that.

JP may have something to do with that, i imagine Pulis was told keep us in the league however possible this year which i think suits Pulis approach anyway, its what happens from here i think is important.

This is why style matters 40 points is available whether we play defensive football or something more adventurous. There will always three promoted teams which we should be worse than us plus at least one established premier league team screwing things up and if that's us well relegation followed by renewal is not the worst fate that can befall us. A life of barely surviving and negative Pulisball is something that will slowly kill this club and when the fall does come it will be a lot worse than it would have been without the period  stagnation under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 02, 2016, 04:40:22 PM
Albion 79 summed up a lot of my thoughts. I have never been a Pulis fan but I did feel we needed him when he was appointed. The club needed changing, I think the reason we didn't attract certain mangers previously (and ended up with Mel, Clarke and Irvine) was because of the structure. At Stoke he built some solid foundations for someone else to come in and improve, we needed a strong A type personality to push back against Peace.
I also think our squad is poor and Pulis obviously wanted players with more pace. For all his faults and he has quite a few both his Stoke team and Palace team played with Pace out wide and wingers who worked back. For whatever reason he doesn't trust any of our wide players enough (that's why he chops and changes them). I do wonder why he hasn't gone for quick full backs to overlap if we do play so narrow but hey...
I will say one thing for all our failings most of the times his teams put in a shift, I know this isn't the be all and many can't pass 5 yards but they do give it a go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 02, 2016, 04:41:28 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 02, 2016, 03:30:15 PM
This is why style matters 40 points is available whether we play defensive football or something more adventurous. There will always three promoted teams which we should be worse than us plus at least one established premier league team screwing things up and if that's us well relegation followed by renewal is not the worst fate that can befall us. A life of barely surviving and negative Pulisball is something that will slowly kill this club and when the fall does come it will be a lot worse than it would have been without the period  stagnation under Pulis.

Simply not true. The only point of reference is Stoke which hardly lends itself to your hypothesis.

We're much better off now than being the established PL team screwing things up you mentioned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 02, 2016, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 02, 2016, 10:01:18 AM
I actually think Pulis is judged harsher than any other manager we've had by our fans because of his reputation at Stoke and the fact that we've been in the Premier League for a fair few years now that fans are getting bored of Premier League mid table life.
I agree with this. I think we need to at least give TP the benefit of the doubt and see the direction he takes us in in the next 12 months.
If his name was Sanchez-Flores or similar and we'd played in this exact same way I doubt there would be half the negativity that there has been.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 02, 2016, 05:00:48 PM
One of the things that really aggravates me is when we talk about getting rid, people say 'Be careful what you wish for'.

People said that to West Ham fans when they wanted rid of Allardyce; they now have the highest number of points they've achieved in the Premier League, and a chance of European football.

People said that to Leicester fans who were becoming increasingly concerned with Nigel Piersons erratic behaviour; they could now win the league.

And that's just this season.

Yes, it might mean relegation, but it could just as easily mean we achieve more, we just have to identify the right man and back him. Right now we're just making up the numbers, and it's sad to see. We need to start living as a club, not just existing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 02, 2016, 05:21:02 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 02, 2016, 04:41:28 PM
Simply not true. The only point of reference is Stoke which hardly lends itself to your hypothesis.

We're much better off now than being the established PL team screwing things up you mentioned.

And why is the wonderful Mr Pulis still not in charge at Stoke City??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 02, 2016, 05:24:05 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 02, 2016, 05:21:02 PM
And why is the wonderful Mr Pulis still not in charge at Stoke City??

Natural parting of ways, took them as far as he could, club was stale after long tenure etc. etc.

Give it 3 or 4 more years and we'll be justified in feeling the same way as they did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 02, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 02, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
I don't think it's anything to do with 'Pulisball' - we have lacked pace and movement generally as a side for several years now. Pulis has made attempts at addressing this and will hopefully continue to do so.
Brunt and Morrison are still our best passers but when they are fit, they need players making runs into space which is not a strong point of our squad.

I'm not sure he has made an attempt to address it. McLean was never going to be good enough and the same with Mcmanaman. He also brought Gnabry in who he clearly had no intention of playing.

The more I think about it the signings made by Pullis have been just as useless as the ones made by his predecessors. Chester, Maclean, Lambert, Macmanaman to add to some of the ones made under Irvine.

Other than Johny Evans I'd happily see the back of all of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 02, 2016, 07:00:46 PM
Quote from: RedHead_Baggie on May 02, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
I'm not sure he has made an attempt to address it. McLean was never going to be good enough and the same with Mcmanaman. He also brought Gnabry in who he clearly had no intention of playing.

The more I think about it the signings made by Pullis have been just as useless as the ones made by his predecessors. Chester, Maclean, Lambert, Macmanaman to add to some of the ones made under Irvine.

Other than Johny Evans I'd happily see the back of all of them.
agree and tired of hearing about our past managers recruiting poor players when pulis is as guilty as any of them. think he's bought 11 players in so far and how many have been a success.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 02, 2016, 09:18:31 PM
Quote from: stoxman on May 02, 2016, 02:28:36 PM
I don't hate Pulis for the style of play.  He has a method that works and he his delivering success as measured by a very comfortable Premier League survive by early April.

I don't hate JP for putting the preservation of PL revenues and his £150m value ahead of all else.  It's perfectly understandable and I'd do the same in his position.

I don't hate Jonas, Gardener,  McClean etc for being limited footballers playing to a formula given them by their boss.  Most of us do what our boss tells us,  even if we think we have a better way of getting a job done.

I don't think I've ever actually hated (a pretty strong word) anyone at West Brom.  Bully, Goodman,  Odemwingie have been pantomime villains but would I actually wish them or their family harm? No.

What I do hate is the way my own enthusiasm is slowly going and I wonder if it will be replaced.  I had great fun at Spurs last week but that was all about telling them that rubbish Albion had been in their half/ had a shot/ scored a goal/ cost them the league.  I honestly wasn't that bothered whether we won or drew.   Against West Ham I had great fun with mates before and after but the match was irrelevant.   

Some of the LIFE'S great memories (up there with wedding, birth of kids,  first ferrari etc) have been at the Albion.  Some of these were in the PL (Great Escape, 1-5, beating Villa etc) and others lower down (Swansea semi, Port Vale final, THAT penalty etc).    I have sat glued to the radio,  travelled the country and had moments of the purest elation with Albion.  Now I just don't really care and it feels like the loss of an old friend or a sense of smell or sight.   

I would be happy with almost anything to get that feeling back.  Even if it meant relegation and having to fall in love with a whole bunch of new SKP, Clement, Hoult etc and starting to care about Albion again,  I just want my old Albion back.

I love this post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 02, 2016, 10:06:03 PM
Well Fairy tales do come true if you play attacking football with no fear of opposition
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 02, 2016, 10:53:47 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on May 02, 2016, 09:18:31 PM
I love this post.
It is special....I will wait and see what happens next.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 02, 2016, 10:59:17 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on May 01, 2016, 08:10:16 PM
I'd stop these sort of posts if I was you.

May I remind you that you're a guest on here so please stop with the sarcastic, condescending posts which are seeking a reaction.
Yes he is a guest. We can quite well answer his posts without threats to him? He is obviously outnumbered?
Please be more accommodating? It adds to the thread unless you want more of an exodus to Facebook?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 02, 2016, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 02, 2016, 10:59:17 PM
Yes he is a guest. We can quite well answer his posts without threats to him? He is obviously outnumbered?
Please be more accommodating? It adds to the thread unless you want more of an exodus to Facebook?
This isn't the place to be discussing this but, seeing as you mentioned it, I totally disagree. An obsessed Pulis groupie who's not even an Albion fan, and who likes winding up those who don't see it his way, brings nothing positive to these forums in my view.

I've no idea what you're talking about regarding a Facebook exodus as I don't use it, but I can't see how anyone could regard it as a viable alternative to these forums.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 03, 2016, 12:56:15 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 02, 2016, 10:59:17 PM
Yes he is a guest. We can quite well answer his posts without threats to him? He is obviously outnumbered?
Please be more accommodating? It adds to the thread unless you want more of an exodus to Facebook?

I'm sure you wouldn't be pleading for people to be more accommodating if he had a different view to yourself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 03, 2016, 06:56:56 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 03, 2016, 12:56:15 PM
I'm sure you wouldn't be pleading for people to be more accommodating if he had a different view to yourself.
How do you know he has the same view.He puts his on as do I.That is what a board is for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 03, 2016, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 02, 2016, 11:28:15 PM
This isn't the place to be discussing this but, seeing as you mentioned it, I totally disagree. An obsessed Pulis groupie who's not even an Albion fan, and who likes winding up those who don't see it his way, brings nothing positive to these forums in my view.

I've no idea what you're talking about regarding a Facebook exodus as I don't use it, but I can't see how anyone could regard it as a viable alternative to these forums.
In answer to your question re Facebook. If you had been on here 5/6 years ago (Ok maybe you were?)If you were you would see how quiet is is on here now? And this is the best in my view independent site.
Anyway Pulis has done the job. Whatever happens from now is for "Mystic Meg"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 03, 2016, 08:10:56 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 02, 2016, 10:59:17 PM
Yes he is a guest. We can quite well answer his posts without threats to him? He is obviously outnumbered?
Please be more accommodating? It adds to the thread unless you want more of an exodus to Facebook?

I'm with Gloster, I think Stokelad talks a lot of sense, I don't think he is on the wind up, he says things people don't like to hear, that is not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 03, 2016, 08:29:13 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 03, 2016, 08:10:56 PM
I'm with Gloster, I think Stokelad talks a lot of sense, I don't think he is on the wind up, he says things people don't like to hear, that is not a bad thing.

It seems that if you have a view that is in the minority your on a wind up. It would be boring on here if we all agreed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 03, 2016, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 03, 2016, 07:01:26 PM
In answer to your question re Facebook. If you had been on here 5/6 years ago (Ok maybe you were?)If you were you would see how quiet is is on here now? And this is the best in my view independent site.
Anyway Pulis has done the job. Whatever happens from now is for "Mystic Meg"
If we had Guardiola coming next season 'Mystic Meg would be needed just as much'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 03, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 02, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
I don't think it's anything to do with 'Pulisball' - we have lacked pace and movement generally as a side for several years now. Pulis has made attempts at addressing this and will hopefully continue to do so.
Brunt and Morrison are still our best passers but when they are fit, they need players making runs into space which is not a strong point of our squad.
we've had long, odemwingie and lukaku who were no slouches. where has pulis addressed this problem of having no pace in the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 03, 2016, 09:22:53 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 03, 2016, 08:29:13 PM
It seems that if you have a view that is in the minority your on a wind up. It would be boring on here if we all agreed.
You may see yourself on a minority others may not. It was exactly my point that we do all have respectful difference of views.
I go on a fair few other fansites. And they treat me just fine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 03, 2016, 09:26:26 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 03, 2016, 08:58:28 PM
If we had Guardiola coming next season 'Mystic Meg would be needed just as much'.
You are obviously a very astute person if you don't mind me saying. 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 03, 2016, 09:27:52 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 03, 2016, 09:26:26 PM
You are obviously a very astute person if you don't mind me saying. 8)
not at all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 03, 2016, 10:07:57 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 03, 2016, 07:01:26 PM
In answer to your question re Facebook. If you had been on here 5/6 years ago (Ok maybe you were?)If you were you would see how quiet is is on here now? And this is the best in my view independent site.
I've been here since 2007. It's gone quieter this season because Pulis's approach is slowly but surely draining away plenty of people's enthusiasm for the club and, maybe, for football in general.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 03, 2016, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 03, 2016, 10:07:57 PM
I've been here since 2007. It's gone quieter this season because Pulis's approach is slowly but surely draining away plenty of people's enthusiasm for the club and, maybe, for football in general.
I think I go back a bit further.
And I do not think the manager has any influence on posts at all.
Every manager/Head Coach has had a lot of discussion.
Times have changed.This is the best independent site remaining. Long may it last.
How it can do so is not for me to say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on May 03, 2016, 11:11:54 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 03, 2016, 10:14:59 PM
I think I go back a bit further.
And I do not think the manager has any influence on posts at all.
Every manager/Head Coach has had a lot of discussion.
Times have changed.This is the best independent site remaining. Long may it last.
How it can do so is not for me to say.
I can tell you directly from personal experience that this is not the case, for me at least. My browsing and occasional posting on this site has hugely declined as a result of my enthusiasm fading since Pulis was appointed. Not asking for sympathy or anything but just thought I'd point this out because the previous poster is spot on in my case. It's just so hard to see the point under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 03, 2016, 11:41:58 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on May 03, 2016, 11:11:54 PM
I can tell you directly from personal experience that this is not the case, for me at least. My browsing and occasional posting on this site has hugely declined as a result of my enthusiasm fading since Pulis was appointed. Not asking for sympathy or anything but just thought I'd point this out because the previous poster is spot on in my case. It's just so hard to see the point under Pulis.

Pulis is a safe option, there isn't a great deal to talk about after match unless you hold a strong belief for or against him. Under Irvine we virtually all railed against him. Mel captured many people's hearts and the players got the abuse on here. Hodgson and Clarke to an extent made us relevant with wonderful players like Foster, McAuley, Gera, Brunt, Odemwingie and Lukaku.

We're now the stagnant club (not particularly a bad thing) we wanted to be from 1987 to 2004.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 04, 2016, 09:03:56 AM
It's an interesting question regarding fans enthusiasm for Albion under Pulis. It was already waning - think back to the flat feeling after staying up under Mel/ Downing and then the Irvine appointment which if anything made fans more interested (even if through anger, confusion and despair!).

Thinking back to recent times, I was obviously a lot more interested under Roy and Clarke's better days, Mel and even Irvine (for differing reasons I might add). Jacko is probably right that Pulis is what he is and the debate fizzles out after a while because over the past six months especially, we've all realised
1) he won't change
2) this is our lot under Pulis - decent enough league results to be safe but awful/ painful to watch most of the time
3) Peace won't change it whilst the club are relatively comfortably remaining in the premier league, why would he - he doesn't strike me as a 'romantic' but more a pragmatist?

Perversely, enthusiasm for Albion and debate would return if we went down. It'd also return if we somehow began playing fantastic, attacking football whilst winning of course, got a new owner with fresh ideas or if Pulis left to save another desperate club hence the cycle starts again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on May 04, 2016, 10:56:00 AM
 The whole Pulis situation needs sorting NOW!! it is no good all this i´ll sit down with the chairman and discuss things at the end of the season, we then decide to stay with TP sign a few players that he wants but the fans arent enamoured with and start showing more angst, TP then walks away and we are left by the end of September looking for a new manager/head coach who will have to work with a squad he had no input into for 4 or 5 months = recipe for relegation !!
 TP has become a very divisive figure and as such this cannot be allowed to fester over the summer. My own feelings are we should get rid, we need several new players anyway so let a new head honcho decide who he wants not a man who may well be gone in the first half of the season anyway
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 04, 2016, 11:22:34 AM
I know who i would like to see here, heres been here before but would he work under JP again. With Pulis i keep changing my mind but as of now its a deffinite get rid. i would rather be watching us play football in the championsip if it meant enjoying my football again
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 04, 2016, 11:29:36 AM
I think this time next season will be the best time to fully judge Pulis. He'd have had another Summer transfer window to rectify the squad and given the chance to push for a top ten finish and a cup win. If we are still in a situation where the football isn't fun to watch the majority of time and we have a similar points total to now then I think a change would be good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 04, 2016, 11:32:53 AM
Quote from: hardtobeat on May 04, 2016, 10:56:00 AM
The whole Pulis situation needs sorting NOW!! it is no good all this i´ll sit down with the chairman and discuss things at the end of the season, we then decide to stay with TP sign a few players that he wants but the fans arent enamoured with and start showing more angst, TP then walks away and we are left by the end of September looking for a new manager/head coach who will have to work with a squad he had no input into for 4 or 5 months = recipe for relegation !!
 TP has become a very divisive figure and as such this cannot be allowed to fester over the summer. My own feelings are we should get rid, we need several new players anyway so let a new head honcho decide who he wants not a man who may well be gone in the first half of the season anyway

I completely agree with this. There may well be few managers that could keep a poor squad like this up and Pulis deserves some credit for doing this. However if he does stay how do we improve? He'll waste more money on has beens or workhorses and continue with the only style of play he knows how. The end of the season is the ideal one to make the change but JP will stick with the safe option. The only hope is that TP walks but it needs to happen quickly and not mid season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 04, 2016, 11:35:43 AM
Quote from: Legend on May 04, 2016, 11:29:36 AM
I think this time next season will be the best time to fully judge Pulis. He'd have had another Summer transfer window to rectify the squad and given the chance to push for a top ten finish and a cup win. If we are still in a situation where the football isn't fun to watch the majority of time and we have a similar points total to now then I think a change would be good.

Genuine question but how do you see him rectifying the squad? He's had 3 windows and bought in 11 players so far. Of those arguably only 2 have made an impact. The football will only improve with the addition of quality forward thinking players something that Pulis doesn't usually go for. Would these type of players want to play for him anyhow?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 04, 2016, 11:40:36 AM
i will reiterate i wouldnt trust him with any more money after the 3 windows hes had
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 04, 2016, 11:43:57 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 04, 2016, 11:35:43 AM
Genuine question but how do you see him rectifying the squad? He's had 3 windows and bought in 11 players so far. Of those arguably only 2 have made an impact. The football will only improve with the addition of quality forward thinking players something that Pulis doesn't usually go for. Would these type of players want to play for him anyhow?

You can have players with vision who can work within a structure, but you're right, players with a cavalier approach wouldn't suit TP's style
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 05, 2016, 09:20:15 AM
going on about how difficult its going to be to attract footballers, i wonder why. nobody likes your style mate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: staticboy on May 05, 2016, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 05, 2016, 09:20:15 AM
going on about how difficult its going to be to attract footballers, i wonder why. nobody likes your style mate

Well surely it is part of HIS job to attract the players to the team and show why Albion is a good club, instead of having a defeatist attitude before the season has begun.

I would prefer to start afresh and have new manager in who can attract players in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 05, 2016, 09:34:46 AM
London has always been London. on the back of what hes said i will not be renewing if hes still here,will pick & choose(i know i said it before) what a numpty
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on May 05, 2016, 09:38:53 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 05, 2016, 09:34:46 AM
London has always been London. on the back of what hes said i will not be renewing if hes still here,(i know i said it before) what a numpty

Shaqiri, Bojan and Afellay moved to Stoke (of all places) after he left. Another poor comment from Pulis, these sorts of comments/excuses are starting to wear thin.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bradleysrocket on May 05, 2016, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 05, 2016, 09:20:15 AM
going on about how difficult its going to be to attract footballers, i wonder why. nobody likes your style mate
It has always been tricky to attract players, I think it's just a reality that whoever is in charge WBA aren't generally first preference for players of a certain standard. Whilst Pulisball may be a factor it most certainly isn't the only one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 05, 2016, 09:41:54 AM
Ridiculous comments but we must have a reputation for turgid football Europe wide after he last few years. Get him out the door and get somebody in within a genuine 5 year plan and not the get to 40 points by boring our opponents stiff and waiting for the next year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 05, 2016, 09:42:45 AM
Wouldn't read too much into it, all he's doing is playing down expectations.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 05, 2016, 09:44:36 AM
Lets hope he falls out with JP before at least the end of May
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 05, 2016, 10:20:26 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 05, 2016, 09:44:36 AM
Lets hope he falls out with JP before at least the end of May
Think our best hope is if the Toon go down.
Pulis is driven by money and if they want him he will go there.
But knowing our luck Rafa will keep them up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DaveWBA on May 05, 2016, 10:46:44 AM
Quote from: Throstletown on May 05, 2016, 10:42:49 AM
Red cards for Pulis last game of season ?, money driven not a football driven manager turned us into Stoke in 18 months he's a hard act to follow NOT!
PREMIERSHIP GOGGLES FOR SALE for those who are status driven not football driven.

It's far too early to be this drunk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 05, 2016, 10:49:00 AM
Be careful what you wish for. Give Pulis another season, I don't want to risk our Premier League status by getting rid of a man who doesn't do relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 05, 2016, 11:06:19 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 04, 2016, 11:32:53 AM
I completely agree with this. There may well be few managers that could keep a poor squad like this up and Pulis deserves some credit for doing this. However if he does stay how do we improve? He'll waste more money on has beens or workhorses and continue with the only style of play he knows how. The end of the season is the ideal one to make the change but JP will stick with the safe option. The only hope is that TP walks but it needs to happen quickly and not mid season.

Pulis also has to take some of the flack for the squad being so poor.
He's had three transfer windows and he's bought in the likes of Mcmanamen, Lambert, Gnabry, Sandro, Pritchard, Chester. How have players like that improved the squad?
Its alright keep harping on about this is the most difficult job he's ever had. Most of the problems are his own making.
He's bought Fletcher and Evans in, I'd argue that Evans is the only real success. With Fletcher we've been hoodwinked because he used to play for United so he must be quality.
Wrong. Fletcher is a good captain but he couldn't pass wind. He might have got away with it at United because somebody was always available to make his poor pass look like a great ball.
We don't have that luxury and, sorry Fletch, but your footballing prowess is shown up here for what it is.
I'd argue that Pulis's best bit of business was getting rid of Agent Lescott to that lot in Ason for £2m
If I was you lads I wouldn't hold your breath for any worldly's during the close season.
Expect Charlie Adams and Peter Crouch to be high up there on his shopping list.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 05, 2016, 11:16:20 AM
I won't defend Pulis and his signings but i will say even the best midfielder would struggle to pass forward when we are so deep , If you were a Albion midfielder with the ball at your feet where would you go with it ? 90% of the time theres nothing apart from Sess or a heavily marked Rondon , maybe Berahino who lacks movement and control at times imo.
I believe we inflict a lot of our own problems and the side is still unbalanced , all that said staying up with our squad is an achievement so for me Pulis gets until November time to improve all areas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 05, 2016, 11:33:26 AM
Extra revenue will go on inflated transfers and wages he says.So they all get another pay rise then. what a lifestyle. i blame me dad for not buying me a ball for christmas
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 05, 2016, 12:08:25 PM
Attracting player is going to be hard thats why you have scouts to unearth the gems.

Young talent will come to any Premiership club, they are hungry and want the lifestyle that comes with it.

Finding them is hard graft Cyrille, Laurie, Super Bob, unknown names with a talent but most of all desire to succeed not just to pick up the money.

Paying journeymen thousands does not bring you desire to win, it brings you old men with the will to keep their bank balances on the up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 05, 2016, 05:32:59 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 05, 2016, 11:33:26 AM
Extra revenue will go on inflated transfers and wages he says.So they all get another pay rise then. what a lifestyle. i blame me dad for not buying me a ball for christmas

If you read the comments from some of the "industry experts", Leicester are expected to have a substantial hike on their wage bill without even signing another player. So yes Pulis is probably right, the additional money will probably go on players and agents.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 05, 2016, 05:53:21 PM
money talks not location, todays players will go after the biggest buck no matter who or where the chasing club is. doesn't the club always come out with this rubbish of we cant do this and we cant sign them line  every time a transfer window approaches . for Christ's sake pulis say nothing because with the drab football you provide to fans the only excitement on offer is who may sign for us in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on May 05, 2016, 06:55:34 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 05, 2016, 05:53:21 PM
money talks not location, todays players will go after the biggest buck no matter who or where the chasing club is. doesn't the club always come out with this rubbish of we cant do this and we cant sign them line  every time a transfer window approaches . for Christ's sake pulis say nothing because with the drab football you provide to fans the only excitement on offer is who may sign for us in the summer.

BH London isn't not more than a couple of hours away - how come players move to Sunderland, Southampton, Swansea, Norwich, even Manchester. Even Shearer moved to Blackburn,

Don't underestimate what players say to each other, we have a reputation of being a well run and welcoming club despite Pulls ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 05, 2016, 08:36:03 PM
We have heard pretty much every provincial club bemoan the unwillingness of some players to move outside London so this nothing new. Is it the hurdle that Pulis is currently portraying it to be? Probably not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 05, 2016, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on May 05, 2016, 09:42:45 AM
Wouldn't read too much into it, all he's doing is playing down expectations.

You are talking about people who quite clearly despise him and can't wait to jump on any comment he makes publicly.

Any perceived lack of ambition at this club comes from the very top not the manager as we don't spend the money other clubs are able/willing to pay. Its all well and good using the example of Michail Antonio like the Birmingham Mail did in this story for us missing out on players but West Ham were the club willing to pay £2m more than we were, no doubt higher wages and being in London its the place to be especially as he was raised there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 05, 2016, 09:15:37 PM
What Pulis says to the press and what he says to the players are two totally different things. And i can't agree that someone else would get more out of this squad. Berahino isn't interested, Rondon is still adapting, Lambert is finished at this level and Big Vic is always injured and that's just the strikers. We have a decent squad of players that could easily be in a relegation battle with one bad appointment. I look at a team like Sunderland who like us have been in this division for a fair few years and keep changing manager to no success and face a relegation battle every season. I fear that was our fate before TP came in to steady the ship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on May 05, 2016, 09:54:44 PM
Was sent this link by a friend of mine.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/may/05/premier-league-ineptitude-index-2015-16-leicester-city

I'm not going to post the entire article but essentially the Guardian have made a "Index of Ineptitude", where teams are given points based how inept or incompetent they are in certain categories. Example of the categories include scoring own goals, cards for dissent, and failing to find a teammate from a throw in.

Whilst the scoring system seems completely arbitrary to me, we come out as the second most incompetent side. The following is the final table:

Quote
Aston Villa 79
West Bromwich Albion 74
Norwich 70
Crystal Palace 67
Newcastle 63
Liverpool 61
Everton 58
Swansea City 57
Bournemouth 57
Tottenham Hotspur 51
Watford 50
Arsenal 47
Chelsea 42
West Ham 41
Stoke 36
Sunderland 36
Southampton 29
Leicester 28
Manchester City 24
Manchester United 10

Obviously stats can be twisted any which way you want, and like I said, the number of points and the number of teams in each category seems completely arbitrary, but it's remarkable how 'terrible' we are, yet are sitting fairly comfortably in lower mid-table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 05, 2016, 10:03:37 PM
You may think the scoring system arbitrary, but look at the solid facts behind the numbers.

The number of times we've failed to score in a game (what are we up to now? 6/7 games where we didn't even have a shot on target?)

Failing to find your teammate in your own half.

Missing penalties.

Blowing two-goal leads.

These are all indicators of a poor side. You take away some of our lucky results this season (for example beating Arsenal at home 2-1, while only having 1 shot on target), and we'd be right in the mix.

Pulis teams grind out 1-0 wins when they have to, but they are poor in all the key areas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 05, 2016, 10:30:52 PM
Given that we allegedly don't create anything it's some achievement scoring well on blowing two goal leads.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 06, 2016, 09:07:04 AM
The guardian article is great proof of how awful the standard of football we see under Pulis.

We are ranked way more inept than all 3 promoted clubs and Norwich especially are not a very good side.

Hope this can put the 'our style of football isn't that bad, people just say it is because of Pulis's reputation' argument to bed now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 06, 2016, 09:38:52 AM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on May 05, 2016, 10:03:37 PM
You may think the scoring system arbitrary, but look at the solid facts behind the numbers.

The number of times we've failed to score in a game (what are we up to now? 6/7 games where we didn't even have a shot on target?)

Failing to find your teammate in your own half.

Missing penalties.

Blowing two-goal leads.

These are all indicators of a poor side. You take away some of our lucky results this season (for example beating Arsenal at home 2-1, while only having 1 shot on target), and we'd be right in the mix.

Pulis teams grind out 1-0 wins when they have to, but they are poor in all the key areas.

Having read the article, it's a light hearted look at the EPL season, probably poking fun at the stato's.
Certainly wouldn't use at as the basis of a disciplinary interview for a manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 06, 2016, 01:00:00 PM
Quote from: MarkW on May 05, 2016, 09:54:44 PM
Was sent this link by a friend of mine.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/may/05/premier-league-ineptitude-index-2015-16-leicester-city

I'm not going to post the entire article but essentially the Guardian have made a "Index of Ineptitude", where teams are given points based how inept or incompetent they are in certain categories. Example of the categories include scoring own goals, cards for dissent, and failing to find a teammate from a throw in.

Whilst the scoring system seems completely arbitrary to me, we come out as the second most incompetent side. The following is the final table:

Obviously stats can be twisted any which way you want, and like I said, the number of points and the number of teams in each category seems completely arbitrary, but it's remarkable how 'terrible' we are, yet are sitting fairly comfortably in lower mid-table.

So Manchester United are the best team in the league despite spending 250 million and supporters actively wanting van Gaal out. The guardian obviously having a slow news day...
I bet Ranieri is gutted to have won the league and not that table, crying into his pasta...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on May 07, 2016, 04:58:33 PM
This is the sixth full season Pulis has managed in the premier league, its the fifth a team of his won't manage more goals than games. Truly turgid, awful stuff. We're already at the level  even Stoke decided enough was enough (worse actually). Lord knows where we'll be next season after we become even more Pulis-fied.

Every single team we play looks better than us. That's regardless of division. Port Vale did, Bristol City did, Peterborough did, Reading did. Every single one of them. Even our home game against Villa we were the team holding on for the full time whistle.

Just about the only thing in his favour is with Peace's previous appointments and obsession with getting someone to "fit the system", we'd probably find someone even worse like Aidy Boothroyd.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 07, 2016, 05:05:42 PM
I thought I read/heard TP was considering a few changes - I must have been dreaming - same old...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 07, 2016, 06:23:25 PM
Three goals in eight games and three points from a possible 24. Winless in eight games.

However you dress it up, it's not very good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 07, 2016, 07:03:56 PM
Well he's here as long as dear leader still owns club, so JP drop your asking price so we can get rid
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on May 07, 2016, 07:19:41 PM
Whoose to say a new owner wouldnt want Pulis...no one should automatically assume.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 08, 2016, 03:32:30 AM
If we had put our last 3 penalties in the back of the net we could be sat here with a realistic opportunity to finish in the top 10 despite being rubbish most of the season, very fine margins. We all know there is a lot of work needs doing on the squad and has been for some time, there is no guarantee anyone else could have done a better job it would be guesswork and nothing more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 08, 2016, 06:55:09 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on May 08, 2016, 03:32:30 AM
If we had put our last 3 penalties in the back of the net we could be sat here with a realistic opportunity to finish in the top 10 despite being rubbish most of the season, very fine margins. We all know there is a lot of work needs doing on the squad and has been for some time, there is no guarantee anyone else could have done a better job it would be guesswork and nothing more.

Exactly, its a game of small margins.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 08, 2016, 07:11:27 AM
Birmingham Mail have a whiff of something by the looks of it

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manager-could-interest-west-brom-11300742?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on May 08, 2016, 07:23:13 AM
I think Rogers would go to Swansea over us, could be some good managers on the market if Pulis does go, I certainly wouldn't say no to Moyes, Rodgers, Benitez (if Newcastle went down, although we wouldn't have a prayer of getting him). In saying that this is the Albion, we'd probably go and appoint Irvine again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on May 08, 2016, 08:00:59 AM
Quote from: Dan on May 07, 2016, 04:58:33 PM
This is the sixth full season Pulis has managed in the premier league, its the fifth a team of his won't manage more goals than games. Truly turgid, awful stuff.

This is why I just don't get why there is so much support for him getting more time, having another window etc. If people want him here because of his record and accept the way we play, then fair enough, but to think things will change dramatically doesn't stand up when we are currently delivering exactly what Pulis has delivered for years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on May 08, 2016, 08:03:53 AM
Quote from: baggies_24 on May 08, 2016, 07:23:13 AM
I think Rogers would go to Swansea over us, could be some good managers on the market if Pulis does go, I certainly wouldn't say no to Moyes, Rodgers, Benitez (if Newcastle went down, although we wouldn't have a prayer of getting him). In saying that this is the Albion, we'd probably go and appoint Irvine again.

I don't think there is any chance of any of them will come to us. Look at the clubs they have been at, the stadia, the fanbases etc - I don't think we are a sensible career move for any of them as we dont have the potential to offer them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 08, 2016, 08:06:47 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on May 08, 2016, 07:11:27 AM
Birmingham Mail have a whiff of something by the looks of it

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manager-could-interest-west-brom-11300742?

Just rehashing the story their sister paper printed. I don't think there is anything at all in it, I fully expect Pulis to be in charge next season unless he decides to walk for some reason.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 08, 2016, 08:12:19 AM
Quote from: frazzle on May 08, 2016, 08:03:53 AM
I don't think there is any chance of any of them will come to us. Look at the clubs they have been at, the stadia, the fanbases etc - I don't think we are a sensible career move for any of them as we dont have the potential to offer them.

This job is still a big rebuilding job, a real project for someone if it becomes available. I personally think it would be an ideal opportunity for someone like Moyes to rebuild his reputation after two very tough jobs, knowing our luck we would end up with someone like Steve McClaren even though if anyone could appoint someone even worse than that it would be Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on May 08, 2016, 08:22:37 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on May 08, 2016, 08:12:19 AM
This job is still a big rebuilding job, a real project for someone if it becomes available. I personally think it would be an ideal opportunity for someone like Moyes to rebuild his reputation after two very tough jobs, knowing our luck we would end up with someone like Steve McClaren even though if anyone could appoint someone even worse than that it would be Albion.

I agree to an extent. I think we would be of more interest if we had a big stadium with a dormant fan base, or new owners willing to splash the cash, but we have neither. We don't have that kind of potential that a confident manager will think he can unleash.

We are a solid club that has to watch the pennies and so any manager would have to work within that. I would have thought that clubs like Swansea etc have now overtaken us due to the reasons above.

Personally I'd love to see us follow the Southampton/Swansea model and update halfords, get ourselves to the position where we have a 35k+ stadium, commit to an exciting brand of football that keeps the attendances up and allows us to attract the next Koeman etc, take advantage of our position as the premier club in our area. But I know that is dream stuff and I understand many of the reasons why it won't happen

I agree that its most likely Pulis will stay, and we have to accept that there will be a repeat of this season for as long as he is with us, because I seriously believe that anyone thinking another transfer window or two will change the brand of football is sadly deluded.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 08, 2016, 08:43:19 AM
No matter what we do with our capacity for any decent manager we will only ever really be seen as some kind of stepping stone to bigger and better things.

As for Pulis I don't think the brand of football will ever change as such, what I do believe is that if we had better quality in key areas we would look easier on the eye without changing too much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 08, 2016, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: frazzle on May 08, 2016, 08:00:59 AM
This is why I just don't get why there is so much support for him getting more time, having another window etc. If people want him here because of his record and accept the way we play, then fair enough, but to think things will change dramatically doesn't stand up when we are currently delivering exactly what Pulis has delivered for years.
I accept your point but let me ask you why does it have to change dramatically? We don't need a dramatic change we just need players that can play the ball and link midfield and attack with pace. I wouldn't call that a dramatic change.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on May 08, 2016, 09:25:32 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 08, 2016, 09:22:51 AM
I accept your point but let me ask you why does it have to change dramatically? We don't need a dramatic change we just need players that can play the ball and link midfield and attack with pace. I wouldn't call that a dramatic change.

 :D I would. I think we are miles away from being able to do those things, and that's because in my view its a managerial mindset issue more than a player issue. I believe we have the players to play more positive football and still get results, but I think the tactics employed by Pulis stifles any attacking zest to maintain defensive shape. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 08, 2016, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: frazzle on May 08, 2016, 09:25:32 AM
:D I would. I think we are miles away from being able to do those things, and that's because in my view its a managerial mindset issue more than a player issue. I believe we have the players to play more positive football and still get results, but I think the tactics employed by Pulis stifles any attacking zest to maintain defensive shape.
We have played more positive football and got results in some games this year ....Pulis isn't quite as stifling as you make out... sometimes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on May 08, 2016, 09:49:18 AM
Quote from: Adder on May 08, 2016, 09:39:00 AM
We have played more positive football and got results in some games this year ....Pulis isn't quite as stifling as you make out... sometimes.

I agree - there's probably been 6 or 7 games where we've played well, and got decent results. Its not enough for me though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 08, 2016, 10:39:31 AM
Quote from: frazzle on May 08, 2016, 09:49:18 AM
I agree - there's probably been 6 or 7 games where we've played well, and got decent results. Its not enough for me though.
Nor me....I'm hoping that the squad will evolve to allow us to play like that more often.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 08, 2016, 11:38:21 AM
I think Pulis will get another season the report in the Mirror about Rodgers waiting in the wings is utter drivel but I don't think Peace will give him a new contract based on the last 10 games of the season running at less than a point a game. I am praying for him to quit over transfers but he won't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on May 08, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Few stats from the seson, i know how people love stats on here.

Possession:20th
Shots/g:19th
SOT:20th
Pass success:20th
Shots against:17th
Dribbles/g:19th
Counter attack goals:0
Open play goals:18

#pulisout
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 08, 2016, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on May 08, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Few stats from the seson, i know how people love stats on here.

Possession:20th
Shots/g:19th
SOT:20th
Pass success:20th
Shots against:17th
Dribbles/g:19th
Counter attack goals:0
Open play goals:18

#pulisout

Shocking mate yet some still defend him. I dread another season of this dross. No amount of money or transfer Windows will change his approach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 08, 2016, 12:32:39 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on May 08, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Few stats from the seson, i know how people love stats on here.

Possession:20th
Shots/g:19th
SOT:20th
Pass success:20th
Shots against:17th
Dribbles/g:19th
Counter attack goals:0
Open play goals:18

#pulisout

I really do want Pulis to leave, my many posts on here attest to that, but isn't it odd that being 20th for basically everything still leaves us in an end position of 14th-16th?

Staying with Pulis is like being guaranteed a life of luxury, but you have to be a road drain fixer for 8hrs a day to qualify.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on May 08, 2016, 12:43:57 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on May 08, 2016, 12:32:39 PM
I really do want Pulis to leave, my many posts on here attest to that, but isn't it odd that being 20th for basically everything still leaves us in an end position of 14th-16th?

Staying with Pulis is like being guaranteed a life of luxury, but you have to be a road drain fixer for 8hrs a day to qualify.

Just proves how poor the league had been.

But to think against the bottom teams and already relegated teams we barely registered a shot at goal. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on May 08, 2016, 06:00:30 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on May 08, 2016, 12:43:57 PM
Just proves how poor the league had been.

But to think against the bottom teams and already relegated teams we barely registered a shot at goal. Pathetic.

See I thought the same and that we're generally better against the teams in the top half but I just checked and it comes out like this:

Vs Top 4 - 6 pts (4 home, 2 away)
Vs Top 6 - 10 pts (8 home, 2 away)
Vs Top 10 - 20 pts (12 home, 8 away)
Vs Bottom 9* - 23 pts (11 home, 12 away)
Vs Bottom 3 - 10 pts  (4 home, 6 away)

Obviously we haven't played Liverpool yet.

If you do it on points per game then it is:

Vs Top 4 - 0.75 pts per game (Played 8)
Vs Top 6 - 0.86 pts per game (Played 12)
Vs Top 10 - 1.05 pts per game (Played 19)
Vs Bottom 9* - 1.28 pts per game (Played 18)
Vs Bottom 3 - 1.67 pts per game (Played 6)

*Bottom 9 because we can't play ourselves


So we actually do as expected really. We get the most points per game against the bottom 3 and the least against the top 4.

But as we've seen the results of the games don't always reflect the way in which we play, which is of course why this thread is so long!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 08, 2016, 06:00:47 PM
He is an old man with an old brain and an old team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 08, 2016, 06:09:46 PM
Quote from: MarkW on May 08, 2016, 06:00:30 PM

So we actually do as expected really. We get the most points per game against the bottom 3 and the least against the top 4.

But as we've seen the results of the games don't always reflect the way in which we play, which is of course why this thread is so long!

Interesting work there Mark, thanks for that.

At home against bottom 6 clubs it seems to me we are always very poor?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on May 08, 2016, 06:17:57 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on May 08, 2016, 06:09:46 PM
Interesting work there Mark, thanks for that.

At home against bottom 6 clubs it seems to me we are always very poor?!

Yeah we've got 11 points from 9 games so 1.22 points per game. When we need to take the initiative at home our lack of attacking guile puts pressure on the defence. That's my theory anyway
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 08, 2016, 06:18:45 PM
The only stat that matters is goals conceded it will be among the lowest of the teams in the bottom half of the table and a lot better than the relegated sides. Our points per goal scored will probably be among the highest in the league. Dreadful to watch but effective to a point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on May 08, 2016, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 08, 2016, 06:18:45 PM
The only stat that matters is goals conceded it will be among the lowest of the teams in the bottom half of the table and a lot better than the relegated sides. Our points per goal scored will probably be among the highest in the league. Dreadful to watch but effective to a point.

Joint second lowest in the bottom half on goals against (Watford are better, we're tied with Palace).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on May 08, 2016, 06:36:31 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on May 08, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Few stats from the seson, i know how people love stats on here.

Possession:20th
Shots/g:19th
SOT:20th
Pass success:20th
Shots against:17th
Dribbles/g:19th
Counter attack goals:0
Open play goals:18

#pulisout

I remember someone posted the stats from his time at Palace and he was 20th in all of them then too, in spite of some people protesting he played exciting football there (he didn't, they had one exciting game against Liverpool which was more Liverpool self destructing than good football from Palace).

I'm really not sure how he's managed to cultivate this image with some as promoting counter attacking football. I can't remember a less effective team at counter attacking than our current side. If he allowed even a little bit of freedom from midfield that might change but he won't and we'll get a trier like Gardner in what should be the most creative position on the pitch.

I'd be happy for Pulis to stay if there was any chance of slight modification but there's not. We are already at the point Stoke cut loose on him. Beyond this point he won't even guarantee safety. The transfer market will be more open yet again next season. Sticking with someone like Pulis even if its not him who relegates us will leave us with a terrible squad unable to do anything else when he does eventually leave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on May 08, 2016, 08:04:47 PM
Quote from: Dan on May 08, 2016, 06:36:31 PM
I remember someone posted the stats from his time at Palace and he was 20th in all of them then too, in spite of some people protesting he played exciting football there (he didn't, they had one exciting game against Liverpool which was more Liverpool self destructing than good football from Palace).

I'm really not sure how he's managed to cultivate this image with some as promoting counter attacking football. I can't remember a less effective team at counter attacking than our current side. If he allowed even a little bit of freedom from midfield that might change but he won't and we'll get a trier like Gardner in what should be the most creative position on the pitch.

I'd be happy for Pulis to stay if there was any chance of slight modification but there's not. We are already at the point Stoke cut loose on him. Beyond this point he won't even guarantee safety. The transfer market will be more open yet again next season. Sticking with someone like Pulis even if its not him who relegates us will leave us with a terrible squad unable to do anything else when he does eventually leave.
This is something that I increasingly find worrying.

Also the less said about Gardner the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on May 08, 2016, 08:15:21 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on May 08, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Few stats from the seson, i know how people love stats on here.

Possession:20th
Shots/g:19th
SOT:20th
Pass success:20th
Shots against:17th
Dribbles/g:19th
Counter attack goals:0
Open play goals:18

#pulisout

That is scary reading!. But no doubt the TP fans will add their own statistic!

'We stayed up'.

Will be an interesting summer regarding signings! Is Pulis the man to make them or Hammond. Either way i doubt if our playing style will change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 08, 2016, 08:23:11 PM
Quote from: gerry m on May 08, 2016, 08:15:21 PM
That is scary reading!. But no doubt the TP fans will add their own statistic!

'We stayed up'.

Will be an interesting summer regarding signings! Is Pulis the man to make them or Hammond. Either way i doubt if our playing style will change.

Thats the thing. Im getting SO BORED by the endless

'The only stat that matters is the points and league position" brigade.

We really don't need all these stats to prove a point about how awful this style of football is to watch. We can all see this by watching it every week. In at least 85% of games this season its been slow, uncreative defensive and just all round dull.

Yes our squad is ageing, really slow and can't pass water so I know WHY we adopt a very defensive style. But it doesn't mean I have to like it and put up with it.

A very very big summer ahead and based on the results in the last 10 games and our squad i'm worried about survival next season.

Pulls does not guarantee survival. Nobody guarantees that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on May 08, 2016, 08:31:03 PM
Has he ever left a Club or got sacked,that went on to be relegated ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on May 08, 2016, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on May 08, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Few stats from the seson, i know how people love stats on here.

Possession:20th
Shots/g:19th
SOT:20th
Pass success:20th
Shots against:17th
Dribbles/g:19th
Counter attack goals:0
Open play goals:18

#pulisout

Wasn't there also a pretty poor stat about red and yellow cards too? If there was a stat for time wasting we'd be top of that list!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 08, 2016, 09:55:24 PM
Quote from: M666EYS on May 08, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Few stats from the seson, i know how people love stats on here.

Possession:20th
Shots/g:19th
SOT:20th
Pass success:20th
Shots against:17th
Dribbles/g:19th
Counter attack goals:0
Open play goals:18

#pulisout
I must admit to being puzzled why so many people think that the way we play is justified? Really, what enjoyment do people get from it? Do they get a thrill from us just scraping past 40 points? What is it that's so important about staying in the Premier League if we're going to approach it like this? It's certainly not the quality of our football and we're just trying to stifle everybody else so that they can't play either by whatever cynical means we can. Do people really derive enjoyment solely from the acquisition of the minimum number of points needed to stay up, with nothing else being important? Is that worth spending your money on?

As other clubs have proven, the same (and more) can be achieved playing a different, more adventurous, way. Hopefully, one day, we'll also do that, because I think what we're doing at present will drive an increasing number of fans to despair if it continues. Although it's generalising, I don't think Albion fans will put up with it for as long as Stoke fans did, they seemed to derive some kind of perverse masochistic pleasure from it. We have our occasional masochistic moments too (c.f. those bizarrely cheering the players in the abject 5-0 home defeat to Liverpool during the Robson era for example, or was it during the 6-0 home defeat to the same opposition a couple of seasons earlier?!), but I can't see the majority tolerating it for very much longer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 09, 2016, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 08, 2016, 09:55:24 PM
I must admit to being puzzled why so many people think that the way we play is justified? Really, what enjoyment do people get from it? Do they get a thrill from us just scraping past 40 points? What is it that's so important about staying in the Premier League if we're going to approach it like this? It's certainly not the quality of our football and we're just trying to stifle everybody else so that they can't play either by whatever cynical means we can. Do people really derive enjoyment solely from the acquisition of the minimum number of points needed to stay up, with nothing else being important? Is that worth spending your money on?

As other clubs have proven, the same (and more) can be achieved playing a different, more adventurous, way. Hopefully, one day, we'll also do that, because I think what we're doing at present will drive an increasing number of fans to despair if it continues. Although it's generalising, I don't think Albion fans will put up with it for as long as Stoke fans did, they seemed to derive some kind of perverse masochistic pleasure from it. We have our occasional masochistic moments too (c.f. those bizarrely cheering the players in the abject 5-0 home defeat to Liverpool during the Robson era for example, or was it during the 6-0 home defeat to the same opposition a couple of seasons earlier?!), but I can't see the majority tolerating it for very much longer.

I agree the difference between Pulis at Stoke and Pulis here is at Stoke he took the club back into top flight after a 20 year absence and as such had a massive amount of goodwill. He also had a fan base certainly for the first couple of seasons who was just happy to be in the Premier League like we were when we first were promoted (when we cheered a team off regardless of the result). The fact that he wore out his welcome at Stoke gives testimony as to how unchanging and dispiriting his football is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on May 09, 2016, 09:41:58 AM
Quote from: Standaman on May 09, 2016, 08:55:37 AM
I agree the difference between Pulis at Stoke and Pulis here is at Stoke he took the club back into top flight after a 20 year absence and as such had a massive amount of goodwill. He also had a fan base certainly for the first couple of seasons who was just happy to be in the Premier League like we were when we first were promoted (when we cheered a team off regardless of the result). The fact that he wore out his welcome at Stoke gives testimony as to how unchanging and dispiriting his football is.

Likewise at Palace when he kept them up in their first season back in the Premier League but didn't stay there long enough after that to become unpopular with the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 09, 2016, 11:30:24 AM
I think his brand of football says it all when you have Ben Foster wasting time from the off regardless of whoever the opposition are.
It never used to be like that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on May 09, 2016, 11:42:16 AM
i am sick of his approach

"theyre a good bunch of lads"
"they work ever so hard"

nonsense. They are professionals and you need to motivate and train them to be the best they can be. Why we have so many "out in the cold" players - and have signed players that have never played / been given a chance - and are somehow meant to be thankful that we have avoided relegation from a good christmas is beyond me. I am fairly sure we will be relegated next season, and if that happens, i think it will take another 5 plus years for us to re-emerge as challengers for promotion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 09, 2016, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on May 08, 2016, 12:32:39 PM
I really do want Pulis to leave, my many posts on here attest to that, but isn't it odd that being 20th for basically everything still leaves us in an end position of 14th-16th?

Staying with Pulis is like being guaranteed a life of luxury, but you have to be a road drain fixer for 8hrs a day to qualify.
It's not luck or a poor league either, in fact the three teams that went up have all done pretty well. The only poor team has been Villa.

Pulis is a managerial enigma. He will constantly have awful stats against his sides and has done for his entire career, but as you say it hasn't related to the league standings, otherwise we'd be bottom.

The Arsenal home game summed him up, 1 shot on target and we won 2-1. Sometimes stats can't explain certain things and I think that's certainly the case with Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 09, 2016, 03:51:17 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on May 09, 2016, 03:07:33 PM
It's not luck or a poor league either, in fact the three teams that went up have all done pretty well. The only poor team has been Villa.

Pulis is a managerial enigma. He will constantly have awful stats against his sides and has done for his entire career, but as you say it hasn't related to the league standings, otherwise we'd be bottom.

The Arsenal home game summed him up, 1 shot on target and we won 2-1. Sometimes stats can't explain certain things and I think that's certainly the case with Pulis.

They can explain certain things as well mind, such as how dire the football is. The stats and standard of football with us go hand in hand this season.

Just do not have faith that, given another window to bring in who he wants, it will change under the bloke. Thankfully busy on Sunday so do not need to witness another abject debacle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 09, 2016, 04:27:11 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 09, 2016, 03:51:17 PM
They can explain certain things as well mind, such as how dire the football is. The stats and standard of football with us go hand in hand this season.

Just do not have faith that, given another window to bring in who he wants, it will change under the bloke. Thankfully busy on Sunday so do not need to witness another abject debacle.

That says it all I think I've missed more games this season than ever before, but, having seen some of results I haven't regretted it. I'm renewing, but will have to seriously consider not to next year if it's the same :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 09, 2016, 04:27:46 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 09, 2016, 03:51:17 PM
They can explain certain things as well mind, such as how dire the football is. The stats and standard of football with us go hand in hand this season.

Just do not have faith that, given another window to bring in who he wants, it will change under the bloke. Thankfully busy on Sunday so do not need to witness another abject debacle.

I agree, I'm not saying those stats are deceptive and that he's a great manager, more saying that it's odd how they don't show the true picture.

It would be naive to think Pulis will change for next season, as he's used this style throughout his entire career.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 09, 2016, 05:18:34 PM
I don't think anyone expects the 'style' to change, only that with better players, ie. ones that don't treat the ball like a hot potato or walk around in midfield rather than running, the football produced will be better irrespective of the rigid shape.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on May 09, 2016, 06:18:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 09, 2016, 05:18:34 PM
I don't think anyone expects the 'style' to change, only that with better players, ie. ones that don't treat the ball like a hot potato or walk around in midfield rather than running, the football produced will be better irrespective of the rigid shape.
All the evidence from Pulis' career suggests this is unlikely to change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 09, 2016, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on May 09, 2016, 06:18:54 PM
All the evidence from Pulis' career suggests this is unlikely to change.
It's happened about half a dozen times this season so it's not beyond Pulis. Better squad strength and hopefully one or two higher quality players will improve our chances of playing better within the structure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 09, 2016, 08:47:38 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 09, 2016, 06:27:54 PM
It's happened about half a dozen times this season so it's not beyond Pulis. Better squad strength and hopefully one or two higher quality players will improve our chances of playing better within the structure.

Will it stop us from time wasting as much as we do?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 09, 2016, 09:11:56 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 09, 2016, 08:47:38 PM
Will it stop us from time wasting as much as we do?
I don't like that element either....honest answer probably not
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 09, 2016, 09:28:15 PM
Don't mind the time wasting near the end of the game if we're holding on for a win. But a couple of times this season I've seen us time waste pre 80 minutes when there's still time to go for a winner
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on May 10, 2016, 11:34:25 AM
we were time wasting at one nil down against arsenal

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 10, 2016, 11:45:20 AM
Tony logic (my interpretation)

diving = unacceptable
time wasting = acceptable
entertainment = irrelevance
not losing = prime objective
observance of the system= fundamental
non-observance of the system = un-forgivable
our 18 yard box = ours
rest of pitch = theirs
pace = meh!
ball retention = more meh!
skills = wasteful
working ard = a basic requirement
fan info = platitudes
strategy = plan A

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 10, 2016, 12:55:44 PM
There is a graphic doing the rounds on Twitter that shows a table based on wages; we apparently have the 12th highest wage bill in the top flight. So if you look at it like that, we're underachieving. (Bournemouth had the lowest btw, although Villa were apparently below us!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 10, 2016, 02:35:05 PM
Our wage bill is the 13th but only £6m behind Sunderland who have the 9th largest. Our Gross Turnover (which excludes profits from transfer fees) is £96m which is 17th but not massively behind Leicester City Stoke City Swansea City  Sunderland and Crystal Palace. There are a cluster of clubs who have about £20m to £30m more income to spend on players Southampton, Everton,West Ham ,Villa and Newcastle then there are the top 6 who have at least double our revenue.

So by any of these measures we shouldn't expect top half finishes. It is not to say that is impossible we have done it in past and given a chance we will do it in the future. We are punching above our weight but that doesn't mean we have to adopt such a negative approach in point of fact we may as well adopt a swashbuckling approach which is entertaining and enjoy the ride because for all the smart work we can do the economics will eventually catch up with us.

Our  Premier League epitaph under Pulis will read  "Gone but Quickly Forgotten" nobody will miss us we bring nothing to the party and our demise will come as relief even to the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 10, 2016, 02:40:29 PM
we have one of the highest wage : income ratios i believe.

this is a testimony to JP's prudent approach when taken against a background where the club remains profitable.

Our issue is more about "better" management of the football side,
 - getting more quality on the pitch
 - developing our assets
 - being more progressive in "style"
 - not believing we are smaller, so we should just be pleased to compete.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 12, 2016, 07:30:38 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 08, 2016, 09:55:24 PM
I must admit to being puzzled why so many people think that the way we play is justified? Really, what enjoyment do people get from it? Do they get a thrill from us just scraping past 40 points? What is it that's so important about staying in the Premier League if we're going to approach it like this? It's certainly not the quality of our football and we're just trying to stifle everybody else so that they can't play either by whatever cynical means we can. Do people really derive enjoyment solely from the acquisition of the minimum number of points needed to stay up, with nothing else being important? Is that worth spending your money on?

As other clubs have proven, the same (and more) can be achieved playing a different, more adventurous, way. Hopefully, one day, we'll also do that, because I think what we're doing at present will drive an increasing number of fans to despair if it continues. Although it's generalising, I don't think Albion fans will put up with it for as long as Stoke fans did, they seemed to derive some kind of perverse masochistic pleasure from it. We have our occasional masochistic moments too (c.f. those bizarrely cheering the players in the abject 5-0 home defeat to Liverpool during the Robson era for example, or was it during the 6-0 home defeat to the same opposition a couple of seasons earlier?!), but I can't see the majority tolerating it for very much longer.
Sorry to bump my own post, but no Pulis supporters answered it and I'd genuinely like to know what floats their boat in order to approve of and condone what he does?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 12, 2016, 08:59:58 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 12, 2016, 07:30:38 AM
Sorry to bump my own post, but no Pulis supporters answered it and I'd genuinely like to know what floats their boat in order to approve of and condone what he does?

OK Worcs, I'll bite.

I wouldn't call myself a Pulis supporter, (I had grave reservations on his relationship with JP when the appointment was announced), But I think he's done a pretty good job of steadying what was a rocking boat before he arrived. Some of the signings made during his tenure have not worked out very well, but some others have.
The general school of thought is that TP has manipulated the players to fit his playing style, but IMO it's the other way round, he's developed a style which the players are comfortable with, & more importantly geared to get positive results.
For next season, IMO our number one target should be a player who can command the midfield area, possibly Sandro or Michael Carrick, but certainly someone of stature, at the moment we lack guile.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on May 12, 2016, 10:30:09 AM
A question nobody has ever really answered is Pulis spent £150 million at Stoke and they were always absolute garbage and never broke into the top ten or even 50 points and he's had 3 Windows here spent around 40 million already and we are absolute garbage to watch so why do people keep saying 'let him get his players in and then I'll judge' what makes you think he will change i am genuinely intrigued.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on May 12, 2016, 11:16:24 AM
Although im not happy with the football we have needed that steadying hand that he gives us, we are stabilised again!

I would like to see better football sure but id also like to give him time to add some better players, if nothing changes then we look to make a change

I get this feeling he wont be here come the summer

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 12, 2016, 11:53:47 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on May 12, 2016, 10:30:09 AM
A question nobody has ever really answered is Pulis spent £150 million at Stoke and they were always absolute garbage and never broke into the top ten or even 50 points and he's had 3 Windows here spent around 40 million already and we are absolute garbage to watch so why do people keep saying 'let him get his players in and then I'll judge' what makes you think he will change i am genuinely intrigued.

Where do you get £150m from? Even if all of the clauses were met (which they weren't) the figure is closer to £100m straight away. Divided by 5 Premier League seasons that's around £20m a season. Not bad when you consider he had to build the squad from an average Championship squad into a solid Premier League squad. Mowbray's squad the season before was miles stronger which you all conveniently forget. A lot of those Pulis signings are still mainstays 3 seasons after he left, so hardly a waste of money...

When it's all set and done what's a greater achievement? Finishing top 10 or getting a club to their first FA Cup final in their 150 year history? Thrashing a team 5-0 in the semi final which is the highest winning margin since 1939. Eventually losing the final (which was a big kick in the balls) also achieved the first European football for the club for 40 years.

Like Pulis or not you have to admit he left solid foundations for Hughes to kick on. Just like Big Sam left solid foundations for Bilic to kick on. Just like Pearson left solid foundations for Ranieri to kick on. Clarke looked awesome when he borrowed Lukaku for a season, but you then turned into a bottom 4 club the moment he went back. If the foundations were built properly you wouldn't have had such a dramatic dip losing 1 borrowed player.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 12, 2016, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: Albionic on May 10, 2016, 11:45:20 AM
Tony logic (my interpretation)

diving = unacceptable
time wasting = acceptable
entertainment = irrelevance
not losing = prime objective
observance of the system= fundamental
non-observance of the system = un-forgivable
our 18 yard box = ours
rest of pitch = theirs
pace = meh!
ball retention = more meh!
skills = wasteful
working ard = a basic requirement
fan info = platitudes
strategy = plan A

these are what I'd call the basics of football and that is all that Pulis offers us.

similar to when Roy left us, he will / should leave us on a very steady footing and it will be on the next manager to progress with that.

this is where in my opinion Clarke failed for a number of different reasons but ultimately his early success was from Roy had left him/us it was only once he started to put across his own style to the team that we dropped and that drop couldn't really be stopped.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 12, 2016, 12:21:13 PM
Still got most of the players that Roy had even though we have spent.

New name for us next Hercules Albion, most are as old as Steptoe's horse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 12, 2016, 12:23:00 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 12, 2016, 11:57:06 AM
these are what I'd call the basics of football and that is all that Pulis offers us.

similar to when Roy left us, he will / should leave us on a very steady footing and it will be on the next manager to progress with that.

this is where in my opinion Clarke failed for a number of different reasons but ultimately his early success was from Roy had left him/us it was only once he started to put across his own style to the team that we dropped and that drop couldn't really be stopped.

Losing both Odemwingie and Gera at Xmas time was the biggest cause of the slump for me. How do your replace quality like that. We didn't and still haven't and have struggled still.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 12, 2016, 12:23:59 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 12, 2016, 11:53:47 AM
Where do you get £150m from? Even if all of the clauses were met (which they weren't) the figure is closer to £100m straight away. Divided by 5 Premier League seasons that's around £20m a season. Not bad when you consider he had to build the squad from an average Championship squad into a solid Premier League squad. Mowbray's squad the season before was miles stronger which you all conveniently forget. A lot of those Pulis signings are still mainstays 3 seasons after he left, so hardly a waste of money...

When it's all set and done what's a greater achievement? Finishing top 10 or getting a club to their first FA Cup final in their 150 year history? Thrashing a team 5-0 in the semi final which is the highest winning margin since 1939. Eventually losing the final (which was a big kick in the balls) also achieved the first European football for the club for 40 years.

Like Pulis or not you have to admit he left solid foundations for Hughes to kick on. Just like Big Sam left solid foundations for Bilic to kick on. Just like Pearson left solid foundations for Ranieri to kick on. Clarke looked awesome when he borrowed Lukaku for a season, but you then turned into a bottom 4 club the moment he went back. If the foundations were built properly you wouldn't have had such a dramatic dip losing 1 borrowed player.

I completely agree. Pulis has steadied the ship. Now it's time for him to bugger off so someone else can take us forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 12, 2016, 12:24:39 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on May 12, 2016, 10:30:09 AM
A question nobody has ever really answered is Pulis spent £150 million at Stoke and they were always absolute garbage and never broke into the top ten or even 50 points and he's had 3 Windows here spent around 40 million already and we are absolute garbage to watch so why do people keep saying 'let him get his players in and then I'll judge' what makes you think he will change i am genuinely intrigued.

As they say it will be the same chyte just a different smell
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 12, 2016, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 12, 2016, 11:53:47 AM
Where do you get £150m from? Even if all of the clauses were met (which they weren't) the figure is closer to £100m straight away. Divided by 5 Premier League seasons that's around £20m a season. Not bad when you consider he had to build the squad from an average Championship squad into a solid Premier League squad. Mowbray's squad the season before was miles stronger which you all conveniently forget. A lot of those Pulis signings are still mainstays 3 seasons after he left, so hardly a waste of money...

When it's all set and done what's a greater achievement? Finishing top 10 or getting a club to their first FA Cup final in their 150 year history? Thrashing a team 5-0 in the semi final which is the highest winning margin since 1939. Eventually losing the final (which was a big kick in the balls) also achieved the first European football for the club for 40 years.

Like Pulis or not you have to admit he left solid foundations for Hughes to kick on. Just like Big Sam left solid foundations for Bilic to kick on. Just like Pearson left solid foundations for Ranieri to kick on. Clarke looked awesome when he borrowed Lukaku for a season, but you then turned into a bottom 4 club the moment he went back. If the foundations were built properly you wouldn't have had such a dramatic dip losing 1 borrowed player.

Excellent post again, telling it like it is.

I do expect improvement from TP, another season like this will be hard viewing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 12, 2016, 07:02:32 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 12, 2016, 11:53:47 AM
Where do you get £150m from? Even if all of the clauses were met (which they weren't) the figure is closer to £100m straight away. Divided by 5 Premier League seasons that's around £20m a season. Not bad when you consider he had to build the squad from an average Championship squad into a solid Premier League squad. Mowbray's squad the season before was miles stronger which you all conveniently forget. A lot of those Pulis signings are still mainstays 3 seasons after he left, so hardly a waste of money...

When it's all set and done what's a greater achievement? Finishing top 10 or getting a club to their first FA Cup final in their 150 year history? Thrashing a team 5-0 in the semi final which is the highest winning margin since 1939. Eventually losing the final (which was a big kick in the balls) also achieved the first European football for the club for 40 years.

Like Pulis or not you have to admit he left solid foundations for Hughes to kick on. Just like Big Sam left solid foundations for Bilic to kick on. Just like Pearson left solid foundations for Ranieri to kick on. Clarke looked awesome when he borrowed Lukaku for a season, but you then turned into a bottom 4 club the moment he went back. If the foundations were built properly you wouldn't have had such a dramatic dip losing 1 borrowed player.
getting to a cup final and playing in Europe may be a great achievement for a urine pot club like stoke but to us baggies its nothing new. :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on May 12, 2016, 07:18:33 PM
With people talking about him sorting out defence, this puzzles me somewhat. We've been in negative goal difference most of the season and are only just finishing above relegation. We've failed to beat teams we should have beaten and have put in some really lousy displays.

Only about two years ago, we had positive goal difference for most of the season, only to ruin it during the last four or five games, and to finish in the negative.

I appreciate that all teams have ups and downs but it really does feel as though we've become stagnant. Tony has done the job he was brought here to do - keep Albion in the Pl. Surely now it's time to move on and aim for a good finish in the table and have a good couple of cup runs whilst watching some football which is worth paying to see.

I don't think that's an unreasonable request.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 12, 2016, 07:39:20 PM
I'm just very much at a point now where I want someone to come in with the attitude

"if you score one we'll score one more"

We've stayed up but anyone who's had to watch us would confirm, it's been a very very bad season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 12, 2016, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 12, 2016, 07:30:38 AM
Sorry to bump my own post, but no Pulis supporters answered it and I'd genuinely like to know what floats their boat in order to approve of and condone what he does?

I think you answered your own question with 'grind to 40 points'. To achieve 40 points in the first place, you need a degree of wins, draw etc, it wasn't like we've been battered this season. My point is, we didn't really grind to 40 this season, we got there with 8 games to go, and since hitting that number have been awful.
Whether you like or dislike him, it's unfair to say we 'grinded' to 40 points as if we did it with a game to spare and literally drew all our games or something. This season has had a few good performances and big wins against the bigger teams. It's not been a classic by any means, but to achieve 40 points with so many games left shows it wasn't the struggle that some make out and we've been fairly comfortable throughout.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 09:15:02 PM
I'm not even 100% Pulis out but with the quality of manager that is currently out of work, and with the new money making us a more attractive proposition. Pulis has to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 12, 2016, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 09:15:02 PM
I'm not even 100% Pulis out but with the quality of manager that is currently out of work, and with the new money making us a more attractive proposition. Pulis has to go.

Martinez? ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 12, 2016, 09:18:01 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 09:15:02 PM
I'm not even 100% Pulis out but with the quality of manager that is currently out of work, and with the new money making us a more attractive proposition. Pulis has to go.

With our history of appointments with the quality of manager out of work if Pulis left we would appoint someone like Nigel Adkins, he wouldn't even need to apply for the job I'm sure we would seek him out now he's available.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 09:21:08 PM
I'm thinking more along the lines of Brendan Rodgers or a high pedigree foreign manager. We're rich! (29th richest in the world WITHOUT next seasons money), we should start acting like it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 12, 2016, 09:25:53 PM
be interesting to see what Benitez does now the toon are down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 12, 2016, 09:26:03 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 09:21:08 PM
I'm thinking more along the lines of Brendan Rodgers or a high pedigree foreign manager. We're rich! (29th richest in the world WITHOUT next seasons money), we should start acting like it.

That is where the problem lies, any perceived lack of ambition comes from the very top of the club. They will always try to do the bare minimum to secure Premier League safety and that is it so I personally don't think we are as an attractive proposition as some like to think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 12, 2016, 09:27:28 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 12, 2016, 09:25:53 PM
be interesting to see what Benitez does now the toon are down.

He's on £3m a year more than Pulis is and wouldn't even consider coming to a club like ours should the job become available and more importantly we wouldn't consider him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 12, 2016, 09:33:50 PM
Here's an interesting blog article that certainly resonates with me:

Link: Pulis is not the man to take the Baggies forward (Jon Want) (http://jonwant.com/football/pulis-is-not-the-man-to-take-the-baggies-forward/)

I thought this was particularly pertinent: "To not register a shot on goal in all the matches against the current bottom four this calendar year is scandalous".

The blog references a stats site which I assume was also the source of M666EYS stats that he posted a few days ago:

Link: whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/175/Statistics/England-West-Bromwich-Albion)

A quick dig around on there reveals that we averaged less than 1 through ball per game. Talk about being one-dimensional.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 09:54:34 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on May 12, 2016, 09:26:03 PM
That is where the problem lies, any perceived lack of ambition comes from the very top of the club. They will always try to do the bare minimum to secure Premier League safety and that is it so I personally don't think we are as an attractive proposition as some like to think.

I'm hoping Nicky Hammond may be the man to progress us. If the club buys into a vision he has. The fans have been very vocal about the lack of ambition, will this change the approach? Will the successes of Leicester and Southampton and West Ham to a lesser extent modify our low ambition a bit? Here's to hoping.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 12, 2016, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 09:21:08 PM
I'm thinking more along the lines of Brendan Rodgers or a high pedigree foreign manager. We're rich! (29th richest in the world WITHOUT next seasons money), we should start acting like it.
We may be 29th richest in the world, but where are we in the Premier League? 18th richest or so?
That is the only thing that matters really, it's all relative to the league you are in. 10 years ago a player of Rondon's caliber who have never gone near us. Now, he is an average Premier League striker, as the quality for the league is very good.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 10:01:31 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on May 12, 2016, 09:57:24 PM
We may be 29th richest in the world, but where are we in the Premier League? 18th richest or so?
That is the only thing that matters really, it's all relative to the league you are in. 10 years ago a player of Rondon's caliber who have never gone near us. Now, he is an average Premier League striker, as the quality for the league is very good.



Ah but with the other leagues becoming less and less competitive (Juve in Italy, Bayern in Germany, Madrid teams and Barca in Spain only teams that can win league), and the PL more so (and richer) it means the PL will become more and more of an 'NBA of football' where the european leagues become less relevant and it will literally be ALL about the PL. I have read an article about this and its a big fear of the euro leagues.

If this happens (could say it has already happened from this summer) then yes, we will be a lot more attractive then a lot of european teams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 10:08:25 PM
And considering Pulis has spent a net spend of £35m in 18 months with us, a more talented manager would have probably had us in the top half comfortably. Would we then be saying we are unambitious?

In fact i would say that freeing up £35m for a manager to spend does show ambition, but its been given to the wrong man. Hopefully the club know this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 12, 2016, 10:25:20 PM
Please Jeremy, notice that this thread is 380 pages long and the dissent felt amongst the fan base.

SURELY you want a club someone would want to buy.

E N T E R T A I N
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 12, 2016, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 10:08:25 PM
And considering Pulis has spent a net spend of £35m in 18 months with us, a more talented manager would have probably had us in the top half comfortably. Would we then be saying we are unambitious?

In fact i would say that freeing up £35m for a manager to spend does show ambition, but its been given to the wrong man. Hopefully the club know this.
Well Martinez couldn't manage it, Newcastle have gone down spending far more. £35m is not a vast amount in terms of this league in general (not bringing Leicester into it).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 11:22:48 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 12, 2016, 11:12:55 PM
Well Martinez couldn't manage it, Newcastle have gone down spending far more. £35m is not a vast amount in terms of this league in general (not bringing Leicester into it).

Never rated Martinez and Newcastle appointed poor managers and their structure is rubbish.

I'm saying a talented manager could get a squad such as purs + £35m to spend into the top half comfortably.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2016, 11:29:41 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 11:22:48 PM
Never rated Martinez and Newcastle appointed poor managers and their structure is rubbish.

I'm saying a talented manager could get a squad such as purs + £35m to spend into the top half comfortably.

35 million is nothing. We will never COMFORTABLY be a top half team.

Teams that SHOULD comfortably be in the top half include Chelsea and Everton.

Ho hum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 12, 2016, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 11:22:48 PM
Never rated Martinez and Newcastle appointed poor managers and their structure is rubbish.

I'm saying a talented manager could get a squad such as purs + £35m to spend into the top half comfortably.
Thing is if there's lots of work to do on the squad £35m doesn't go that far. £28m of it went on Evans, Rondon and Chester - 2 of them good signings and the other can be called expensive squad cover but we could probably get £5m back on him. I'm not claiming Pulis has done an amazing job but which talented managers can you think of that you can confidently say would have us comfortably top half ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 11:46:54 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 12, 2016, 11:34:49 PM
Thing is if there's lots of work to do on the squad £35m doesn't go that far. £28m of it went on Evans, Rondon and Chester - 2 of them good signings and the other can be called expensive squad cover but we could probably get £5m back on him. I'm not claiming Pulis has done an amazing job but which talented managers can you think of that you can confidently say would have us comfortably top half ?

Bilic, Koeman, Rodgers, Moyes (although i'm not convinced on him), Pochettino if we have gone for him instead of Clarke, Hughes.

Plenty of managers around who would come to us if we showed ambition like the clubs that appointed the above did. Those managers would have done an excellent job.

We need to start thinking bigger. Saints had Adkins, he wasnt doing too bad but they had ambition and realised that although Adkins was doing OK they want better - went for Pochettino, look how well its done them. West Ham with Allardyce.

I actually think this squad isnt as bad as people think and that we are only 3/4 players away from being a decent side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 11:48:12 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 12, 2016, 11:34:49 PM
Thing is if there's lots of work to do on the squad £35m doesn't go that far. £28m of it went on Evans, Rondon and Chester - 2 of them good signings and the other can be called expensive squad cover but we could probably get £5m back on him. I'm not claiming Pulis has done an amazing job but which talented managers can you think of that you can confidently say would have us comfortably top half ?

Also i'm talking in future sense. If we have spent £35m in 18 months on the players we have. With new money say we spend £50m - £50m investment on CURRENT squad with talented manager we could do very well in this league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 13, 2016, 02:10:25 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 11:22:48 PM

I'm saying a talented manager could get a squad such as purs + £35m to spend into the top half comfortably.

There is absolutely no guarantee spending that kind of money would have you finishing comfortably mid table regardless of who the manager is. With that said we could have done exactly that this season if we could put a sodding penalty in the back of the net, we have only just began to stabilise as a club and there is still much work to be done.

We are still suffering from the two urine poor managerial appointments prior to Pulis as well as the couple of summers we had terrible transfer windows. We have to spend big money just to try and avoid falling further back than we already are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 13, 2016, 06:43:13 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 09:54:34 PM
I'm hoping Nicky Hammond may be the man to progress us. If the club buys into a vision he has. The fans have been very vocal about the lack of ambition, will this change the approach? Will the successes of Leicester and Southampton and West Ham to a lesser extent modify our low ambition a bit? Here's to hoping.

I think that's a forlorn hope.
If you look at Pulis from his Stoke days and most recently here, he is the man.
Nobody will tell him what to do and even though he makes the right noises I'd be sceptical about him and Hammond having a Fred and Ginger relationship.
History suggests that Pulis will not go hell for leather and unleash a sabre like midfielder to carve open defences, instead it will be a slow painful plodding approach.
Never had a top half finish, never collected 50 points for all his experience.
We need to look at what business we are in.
Is it football, is it entertainment or is it just business?
Sadly I think it's the latter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 13, 2016, 08:14:51 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on May 13, 2016, 06:43:13 AM
I think that's a forlorn hope.
If you look at Pulis from his Stoke days and most recently here, he is the man.
Nobody will tell him what to do and even though he makes the right noises I'd be sceptical about him and Hammond having a Fred and Ginger relationship.
History suggests that Pulis will not go hell for leather and unleash a sabre like midfielder to carve open defences, instead it will be a slow painful plodding approach.
Never had a top half finish, never collected 50 points for all his experience.
We need to look at what business we are in.
Is it football, is it entertainment or is it just business?
Sadly I think it's the latter.

Unfortunately, that is the way football has gone, the vast majority of clubs see it that way, but, at least Pulis states he is interested in the cup competitions, let's be honest, West Bromwich Albion will almost certainly (5000/1) never win the Premier League, so the cups are our only avenue to success.

I hope we can develop a counter attacking style to bring some much needed entertainment, but as we have seen and experienced ourselves, champagne football can go flat very quickly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 13, 2016, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 11:46:54 PM
Bilic, Koeman, Rodgers, Moyes (although i'm not convinced on him), Pochettino if we have gone for him instead of Clarke, Hughes.

Plenty of managers around who would come to us if we showed ambition like the clubs that appointed the above did. Those managers would have done an excellent job.

We need to start thinking bigger. Saints had Adkins, he wasnt doing too bad but they had ambition and realised that although Adkins was doing OK they want better - went for Pochettino, look how well its done them. West Ham with Allardyce.

I actually think this squad isnt as bad as people think and that we are only 3/4 players away from being a decent side.
OK some decent names. Maybe we do need to show more ambition BUT Pochettino wasn't really a sought after manager until he made his reputation at Southampton. We are not seen as fashionable either ....West Ham are a London club, other teams like Southampton  are on the coast and a one club city.
Stoke have pushed on in no small part due to the Coates family (they are seriously wealthy through' bet365). JPs wealth is not on that scale and he has a lot more to lose if something goes belly-up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 13, 2016, 10:07:33 AM
We pay Pulis £2m a year which is decent even by Premier League standards, we could one that might attack a bit and keep us in the Premier League for that. Obviously it is £2m more than a currently unemployed manager earns and there are always plenty of those, Flores has just left Watford.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 13, 2016, 10:24:33 AM
I see Watford have parted company with QSF because merely keeping them up with awful football is not enough to satisfy their owners...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 13, 2016, 10:33:36 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 13, 2016, 10:24:33 AM
I see Watford have parted company with QSF because merely keeping them up with awful football is not enough to satisfy their owners...
I'm not sure what will satisfy them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 13, 2016, 10:43:07 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2016, 11:29:41 PM
35 million is nothing. We will never COMFORTABLY be a top half team.

Teams that SHOULD comfortably be in the top half include Chelsea and Everton.

Ho hum.

Comfortable in the top ten for me would be:

Arsenal
City
United
Liverpool
Chelsea
Everton
Spurs

That's 7 spaces gone. Add to that Southampton and West Ham doing well , takes you to 9 . Leicester have just won the league and will most likely finish top ten again. Realistically it would be some achievement for us to break  into that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2016, 10:47:13 AM
Over the last ten games this is the league table.


15.   Norwich      10pts
     
16.   Stoke      9pts
     
17.   West Brom   7pts
     
18.   Watford      7pts
     
19.   Everton           6pts
     
20.   Aston Villa   1pt (  ;D )


This form during mid season would see Peace act and sack Pulis.    
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 13, 2016, 10:56:40 AM
Quote from: BB74 on May 13, 2016, 10:47:13 AM
Over the last ten games this is the league table.


15.   Norwich      10pts
     
16.   Stoke      9pts
     
17.   West Brom   7pts
     
18.   Watford      7pts
     
19.   Everton           6pts
     
20.   Aston Villa   1pt (  ;D )


This form during mid season would see Peace act and sack Pulis.    

If he starts next season as badly he won't get to Christmas will be really interesting to see what happens during the summer with regard to his contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 13, 2016, 11:00:14 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 12, 2016, 01:13:21 PM
Excellent post again, telling it like it is.

I do expect improvement from TP, another season like this will be hard viewing.

Genuine question (I've asked many others the same and not got an answer) but how / why are you expecting an improvement?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 13, 2016, 11:08:14 AM
Because people mistakenly think that a leopard is able to change its spots. Not quite sure why they feel this way as Pulis has never demonstrated anything that would lead you to think it will change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 13, 2016, 11:22:56 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 13, 2016, 11:00:14 AM
Genuine question (I've asked many others the same and not got an answer) but how / why are you expecting an improvement?
My answer would be because we've played positively and well for 7 or 8 games this year........some hopefully good summer investment can see us do that more regularly next year.

When pressed most people seem to agree that we've played well in these games so why is it so out of the question that we can't improve on that ??

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 13, 2016, 11:52:03 AM
Quote from: Adder on May 13, 2016, 11:22:56 AM
My answer would be because we've played positively and well for 7 or 8 games this year........some hopefully good summer investment can see us do that more regularly next year.

When pressed most people seem to agree that we've played well in these games so why is it so out of the question that we can't improve on that ??

Agreed, I'd also add that he has said a few times in interviews that we need pace and better attacking options, as well as younger players. Now he might have said the same thing when at Stoke I don't know, maybe Stokelad can shed some light? I'm prepared to wait and see what we do in the transfer window before I judge him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 13, 2016, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 13, 2016, 11:52:03 AM
Agreed, I'd also add that he has said a few times in interviews that we need pace and better attacking options, as well as younger players. Now he might have said the same thing when at Stoke I don't know, maybe Stokelad can shed some light? I'm prepared to wait and see what we do in the transfer window before I judge him.

Not being funny, Hull, but he could hardly say anything else. A blind man on a galloping horse can see that those are our short comings,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 13, 2016, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2016, 09:54:34 PM
I'm hoping Nicky Hammond may be the man to progress us. If the club buys into a vision he has. The fans have been very vocal about the lack of ambition, will this change the approach? Will the successes of Leicester and Southampton and West Ham to a lesser extent modify our low ambition a bit? Here's to hoping.

As a matter of interest, what do you think is Nick Hammond's brief?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 13, 2016, 12:27:38 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 13, 2016, 11:52:03 AM
Agreed, I'd also add that he has said a few times in interviews that we need pace and better attacking options, as well as younger players. Now he might have said the same thing when at Stoke I don't know, maybe Stokelad can shed some light? I'm prepared to wait and see what we do in the transfer window before I judge him.

I said the same last season. We'll probably be saying the same next too. I know he has his hands tied to a degree re signings but I'm not convinced given all the money in the world that he'd improve the style of play that much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 13, 2016, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on May 13, 2016, 12:16:06 PM
Not being funny, Hull, but he could hardly say anything else. A blind man on a galloping horse can see that those are our short comings,

I take your point but he could just have said something less committal like.....we need to improve our attacking options, rather than stating younger players and pace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 13, 2016, 12:53:59 PM
If (and its a huge if) Tone gets some players he wants in and starts next season in an entertaining vein, how long before a run of 2-3 defeats would see him revert to what has brought him (relative) success previously?

Tone is risk averse,
Tone knows how not to lose repeatedly
Tone ALWAYS has a solid base

It may change fleetingly but whilst Tone is in charge it is NOT going to be entertaining.

IMO TP has done all he can for us, now its time to take a calculated gamble and appoint someone who can achieve at least the same but with a little flair on the pitch.
Who? 2 years ago I advocated Bilic, now I would be looking at Gary Neville (yes seriously !)

Neville is bright and has had a salutory experience in spain, he will be better for it, he is well connected, clearly has a tactical awareness and in England will not be beset with cultural / language issues.

thems my onions !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 13, 2016, 01:01:42 PM
Jeremy Peace is our chairman. How ambitious is he really? While Pulis may or may not be the right man, I think it runs deeper. Now that Peace had appointed Hammond he has reverted to "director of football" model again. In between Roy and Pulis we got a bunch of no.2s. So expect Eric Black next :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 13, 2016, 01:39:40 PM
Pulis was a means to end when we needed stability. We hadn't made a good appointment since hodgson. Clarke was a fraud who lived off the team Roy built, he alienated odemwingie drove him out of club and when he didn't use him and with Hera getting injured the cracks were revealed.

The less I say about the next 2 appointments the better. We needed stability and we got it. Pulis has done well to achieve what he has considering how he has under utilised his squad.

We need to twist. We could have tried for koeman a few years ago. We held talks with ranieri in the past also. Plenty of people out there like moyes even Deborah has left his post at Ajax. We need to stop thinking small time and make a hodgson esque appointment.

A manager who knows how to organise a defensive and park the bus when necessary but in turn knows how and when to let Albion come out and attack and entertain. A manager who when he buys players of an offensive nature actually uses them.

Pulis was always a short term fix. It's been well over a year, time to move on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 13, 2016, 02:36:10 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on May 13, 2016, 01:39:40 PM
Pulis was a means to end when we needed stability. We hadn't made a good appointment since hodgson. Clarke was a fraud who lived off the team Roy built, he alienated odemwingie drove him out of club and when he didn't use him and with Hera getting injured the cracks were revealed.

The less I say about the next 2 appointments the better. We needed stability and we got it. Pulis has done well to achieve what he has considering how he has under utilised his squad.

We need to twist. We could have tried for koeman a few years ago. We held talks with ranieri in the past also. Plenty of people out there like moyes even Deborah has left his post at Ajax. We need to stop thinking small time and make a hodgson esque appointment.

A manager who knows how to organise a defensive and park the bus when necessary but in turn knows how and when to let Albion come out and attack and entertain. A manager who when he buys players of an offensive nature actually uses them.

Pulis was always a short term fix. It's been well over a year, time to move on.
Where did you get the 'Pulis was always a short term fix' info from ? I suspect JP might disagree with you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 13, 2016, 02:57:14 PM
do short term fixes get 2.5 yr contracts? Surely it would have been a 6 month contract or a year if Pulis was seen as a short term fix?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 13, 2016, 03:15:55 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 13, 2016, 02:57:14 PM
do short term fixes get 2.5 yr contracts? Surely it would have been a 6 month contract or a year if Pulis was seen as a short term fix?

Yes they do in football if their negotiating position is strong enough, but I have no idea how Peace viewed the appointment. I suspect it was motivated by the pressing need to keep us in the Premier League with a likely buyer in the wings. With that prospect  receding I guess we are back to the default of a coach being in the danger zone when they have an extended run of less than 1 point a game particularly if there are decent alternatives without clubs.

I guess we are there now, but I don't  think Peace will pull the trigger but as that contract runs down it is  getting cheaper to let Pulis go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 13, 2016, 03:25:38 PM
We are by no means the only ones to tail off after getting effectively safe......this year there's been Stoke, ourselves, Bournemouth, Watford.
It's happened in previous years also. Whatever we might want there's a more relaxed atmosphere around clubs when they have relatively little to play for and they tend to pay for that especially when meeting teams who are still desperate for points for whatever reason. Next season is a different matter but I honestly don't think JP will be much concerned with the points tally in the last 10 games.....what he'll judge is that we were effectively safe with 10 games to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 13, 2016, 03:58:15 PM
I think we are stuck with Pulis for a few more years.

during this time we will see a transition of Fetcher from player into coach and then going on to take over the head coach role.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 13, 2016, 06:33:08 PM
We're in cloud cuckoo land if we expect any more than survival every season apparently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on May 13, 2016, 06:46:37 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 13, 2016, 06:33:08 PM
We're in cloud cuckoo land if we expect any more than survival every season apparently.

So is Pulis saying that he can take us no further than survival. Move him on. Are we also in cloud cuckoo land to expect good football and entertainment!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on May 13, 2016, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 13, 2016, 06:33:08 PM
We're in cloud cuckoo land if we expect any more than survival every season apparently.
I've just read that article hes gotta be on the wind up, we've been in the prem 7 seasons who does he think we are? I'm actually starting to hate him as a person as well as his antifootball which I don't like doing....really can't wait for the day he goes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: popmonkey on May 13, 2016, 07:20:30 PM
Survival would be seen as meeting expectations in the first two seasons in any league, but after that you need to show ambition, and progress, otherwise the club will stagnate. Should we be happy that our players are seeing 40 points as the season's goal? You will never attract players who can take the club forward if "survival" is the clubs aim. The best players want to win things, not scrape out one goal wins and away draws.

We haven't won a game by more than one goal in twelve months now (last one being Chelsea at home) which is ridiculous
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 13, 2016, 08:13:21 PM
Quote from: popmonkey on May 13, 2016, 07:20:30 PM
Survival would be seen as meeting expectations in the first two seasons in any league, but after that you need to show ambition, and progress, otherwise the club will stagnate. Should we be happy that our players are seeing 40 points as the season's goal? You will never attract players who can take the club forward if "survival" is the clubs aim. The best players want to win things, not scrape out one goal wins and away draws.

We haven't won a game by more than one goal in twelve months now (last one being Chelsea at home) which is ridiculous

Totally agreee with this It becoming hard to justify the ST expense when I get no enjoyment from Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stubba on May 13, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 13, 2016, 08:13:21 PM
Totally agreee with this It becoming hard to justify the ST expense when I get no enjoyment from Pulis
. Hear hear!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 13, 2016, 08:48:38 PM
I'm absolutely certain he is publicly trolling the group of supporters he knows are 100% against him and will continue to be no matter what he does here in the future. He doesn't care less what any supporters think of him, he only needs one person on his side and that is Jeremy Peace and lets face it they share the same ambition and that is to remain in the League and that's it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on May 13, 2016, 08:51:23 PM
Why does he talk our great club down every time, we have not just come up from the championship, we have been in the premier league longer than clubs such as Southampton and look where they are. If he sees us only as survival relegation fodder then we need to look for a new coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on May 13, 2016, 09:25:32 PM
Quote from: BB74 on May 13, 2016, 10:47:13 AM
Over the last ten games this is the league table.


15.   Norwich      10pts
     
16.   Stoke      9pts
     
17.   West Brom   7pts
     
18.   Watford      7pts
     
19.   Everton           6pts
     
20.   Aston Villa   1pt (  ;D )


This form during mid season would see Peace act and sack Pulis.

............and the 3 below us have all got rid of their managers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 13, 2016, 09:27:09 PM
I think it says everything about the man who knows his own capabilities, he knows this is as good as its going to get with him in charge. fair enough he's never been relegated  but is this really what the club wants, survival and a dwindling crowd. I must have been in cloud cuckoo land during the 70s when we challenged for the title and got to cup semi finals. my only hope is he comes out with this rubbish to deliberately split the fan base and force peace into saying bye bye. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on May 13, 2016, 10:57:28 PM
Some of the drivvle this bloke speaks is embarrassing for not only himself but for our club. Constantly trying to put us down and lower our expectations making it look like he's doing a grand job keeping us up in the Prem. Look at clubs of similar stature to us, Leicester, Swansea, Southampton, West Ham. How would they feel if their manager said such things? There would be uproar! The fact he says us fans are in cloud cuckoo land for wanting more than just 17th just shows what his mindset is. Get him out please
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 13, 2016, 11:59:36 PM
OK it was a mistake saying the cloud cuckoo land bit but I can remember Hodgson putting his foot in his mouth more than once in press conferences around the whole smaller club type stuff.
As to what Pulis was saying about loads of managers aiming for 40 points....I bet he's right, that is the No 1 target of half the clubs in this league. What did Ranieri keep saying in the first half of the season '40 points and we will be safe that is the target'. It doesn't mean you give up once you get to 40 points...Pulis did say that the next stage is to move on from there.
Sorry but the reaction to this press conference is way over the top in my book.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 14, 2016, 12:56:39 AM
Quote from: Adder on May 13, 2016, 11:59:36 PM
OK it was a mistake saying the cloud cuckoo land bit but I can remember Hodgson putting his foot in his mouth more than once in press conferences around the whole smaller club type stuff.
As to what Pulis was saying about loads of managers aiming for 40 points....I bet he's right, that is the No 1 target of half the clubs in this league. What did Ranieri keep saying in the first half of the season '40 points and we will be safe that is the target'. It doesn't mean you give up once you get to 40 points...Pulis did say that the next stage is to move on from there.
Sorry but the reaction to this press conference is way over the top in my book.

40 points is the FIRST target. It shouldn't be THE target. Other clubs reach 40 points and move onto the next (top half, push for Europa etc). Because Tony considers it THE target he considers it a success to reach 40 by April.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 14, 2016, 06:27:31 AM
Now he's saying he is willing to keep Lambert next season.

I actually think he is on the wind up now. He's on his way out and he knows it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 14, 2016, 06:28:17 AM
Baggie79 said a month or 2 ago that he doesnt see Pulis being our manager next season. Do you think this is still the case?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 14, 2016, 06:30:49 AM
I think he talks us down to make himself look good.
Your a rubbish football team but I/me/myself have kept you in this league.
To be honest I can only see our fan base declining if 40 points a season is what we have to offer the paying public.
I'd take yo yo seasons over that all day long
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 14, 2016, 07:20:17 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 14, 2016, 12:56:39 AM
40 points is the FIRST target. It shouldn't be THE target. Other clubs reach 40 points and move onto the next (top half, push for Europa etc). Because Tony considers it THE target he considers it a success to reach 40 by April.
Did you read ALL my post ? He talked about moving on from that target.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 14, 2016, 07:22:09 AM
Quote from: Adder on May 14, 2016, 07:20:17 AM
Did you read ALL my post ? He talked about moving on from that target.

Tony talks a lot without actually saying anything
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on May 14, 2016, 07:34:56 AM
His comments are an embarrassment, it's clear that he couldn't give a toss about anything but reaching 40 points as our form since we hit the magic number has taken a nose dive. I bet Peace isn't happy as the difference between finishing 11th (which was more than possible) and 15th is probably a fairly substantial amount of money. Can you imagine been a player and hearing that? Get rid and get someone in with a bit more ambition, 40 points should be the first goal not the only goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on May 14, 2016, 07:39:01 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 14, 2016, 06:27:31 AM
Now he's saying he is willing to keep Lambert next season.

I actually think he is on the wind up now. He's on his way out and he knows it.
ive just read this says hes pleased to keep lambert as hes good around the place...yeah i bet he is good around the place sitting on his fat ass on 40k a week no wonder weve got players like james mclean when wasting big wages on people like sic vic and lambert
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 14, 2016, 07:49:15 AM
Quote from: telford baggie on May 14, 2016, 07:39:01 AM
ive just read this says hes pleased to keep lambert as hes good around the place...yeah i bet he is good around the place sitting on his fat ass on 40k a week no wonder weve got players like james mclean when wasting big wages on people like sic vic and lambert
laughable really, £3m on the transfer and around £2m a year in wages and he wants to keep him here because he likes him. the object tone was to get him on the pitch and score goals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on May 14, 2016, 08:10:48 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on May 14, 2016, 06:27:31 AM
Now he's saying he is willing to keep Lambert next season.

I actually think he is on the wind up now. He's on his way out and he knows it.
In fairness Lambert still has a year left so he's hardly likely to slate him and say he wants him out.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 14, 2016, 08:10:57 AM
Pulis's latest embarrassing comments serve to demonstrate, if further proof was needed, just how limited and negative-thinking he is. Why anyone would want to continue with another season of this is beyond me.

After 6 seasons in the Premier League, we really need to have someone at the helm who has ambition to look higher up the table and who doesn't expect an open-top bus parade for scraping past 40 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 14, 2016, 08:13:37 AM
It seems that not content with producing the worst football in the Premier League he has now moved on to insulting my intelligence. I am a realist some might say too much so. I doubt whether I have ever criticised the club for a lack of ambition.

 I can accept that we have a budget and we stick to it and if that means giving up on an over priced over paid target well so be it. I absolutely can accept the fact that given our resources we are most likely to finish in the lower half of the Premier League  and if we have a bad year we could well find ourselves embroiled in a relegation battle. I can cope with erratic form I can cope with an occasional thrashing but what I cannot cope with playing negative football to achieve it. Pulisball is not a lack of ambition it something much worse than that it is cowardice.

I don't expect better but I absolutely demand the right to hope for better and having Pulis here denies me that hope. I used just dislike his football but I am rapidly learning to dislike the man as well.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 14, 2016, 08:46:55 AM
I wonder if he will tell Jeremy he is also in cloud cuckoo land when he asks him why we haven't progressed this season.

How anyone can like this arrogant, detestable man is beyond me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on May 14, 2016, 09:18:30 AM
Quote from: Adder on May 13, 2016, 11:59:36 PM
OK it was a mistake saying the cloud cuckoo land bit but I can remember Hodgson putting his foot in his mouth more than once in press conferences around the whole smaller club type stuff.
As to what Pulis was saying about loads of managers aiming for 40 points....I bet he's right, that is the No 1 target of half the clubs in this league. What did Ranieri keep saying in the first half of the season '40 points and we will be safe that is the target'. It doesn't mean you give up once you get to 40 points...Pulis did say that the next stage is to move on from there.
Sorry but the reaction to this press conference is way over the top in my book.

Agreed and as he said if we had scored the penalties we probably would be much higher up the league .

I'm no fan of the football and most of it from an entertainment point of view has been garbage .

The fact remains that if the club hadn't appointed Irvine we probably wouldn't have needed to go with our begging bowl to Pulis . 

If the club were to take the bull by the horns and present us with someone better great but as always the ambition to do so won't be there .

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on May 14, 2016, 09:24:23 AM
I hope after tomorrow's game and meeting between Jeremy and Tony that the only gesture from Jeremy to Tony is him opening the exit door for him to walk through.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 14, 2016, 09:49:55 AM
Since we've been in Prem we have been treading water with the only abbreviation the year we had lukaku to bang in the goals. JP has to take the blame for appointments of coaches and backroom staff who were not up for the job, panic buying of player's to appease fans because of the appointment of Irvine is down to him.
I believe that scouts have identified players of quality but he will not sanction transfer creswell and Antonio come to mind with the latter believing he was on his way to us and then there's Leicester who prove that a little bit of ambition goes along way( oh and some of their set up was aloud to leave Hawthorne s under Jeromy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 14, 2016, 10:11:27 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 14, 2016, 08:46:55 AM
I wonder if he will tell Jeremy he is also in cloud cuckoo land when he asks him why we haven't progressed this season.

How anyone can like this arrogant, detestable man is beyond me.
It's not a matter of liking the bloke is it ? Plus we don't know what he's like in his day to day dealings with people. I get the impression that people at the club including the players don't find him an arrogant, detestable man.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 14, 2016, 10:23:09 AM
Quote from: Adder on May 14, 2016, 10:11:27 AM
I get the impression that people at the club including the players don't find him an arrogant, detestable man.
Yes, I'm sure the likes of Gamboa, Pocognoli etc love him to pieces.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 14, 2016, 10:24:58 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 14, 2016, 10:23:09 AM
Yes, I'm sure the likes of Gamboa, Pocognoli etc love him to pieces.....

Yes because you are going to find every other squad of 20 odd in the league where every one of them always like their manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on May 14, 2016, 10:29:44 AM
The conundrum for me is that on several occasions this season we have played in a manner at home which everybody would be happy with.  Sadly it's only once every 3 or 4 home games.   Away style I can live with - it's acceptable, and on occasions we have played very positively as well.

If we actually tried to play more often at home like we can do, then I and perhaps many others would be very happy. The fact that we either don't try to play like that, or that we are only occasionally capable of doing so, is solely down to Pulis.

If JP was to carry out a proper performance appraisal, then it should be along the lines of "away performances no issues at all, home performances totally unacceptable around 70% of the time.  You must improve the latter.  What do you need to achieve it?  Pace, width, midfield creativity and proper full backs.  So why are you not playing the full backs that we do have already?  Why are you playing centre backs at full back? 

I'll back you this summer to buy to improve those areas.  But your next appraisal will be in November, 3 months after the transfer window, and if there's no improvement in these areas then sorry I'm simply not trusting you with the January transfer window."




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 14, 2016, 10:35:52 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on May 14, 2016, 10:29:44 AM
The conundrum for me is that on several occasions this season we have played in a manner at home which everybody would be happy with.  Sadly it's only once every 3 or 4 home games.   Away style I can live with - it's acceptable, and on occasions we have played very positively as well.
So you'd also be happy for other clubs to come to The Hawthorns and play that way too then? What a wonderful spectacle football will become should the Pulis approach ever become widespread....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnny Cash on May 14, 2016, 10:50:57 AM
There was an interesting part of the press conference where he was about style of play / better performances.

His answer was about how much better off we would have been had we scored the penalties.

This tells you everything about Pulis, it is all about the points.  If we improve next year, it will be an improvement in points with perhaps an extra clean sheet, one extra goal, or one extra penalty scored. The performances / entertainment level themselves will be very similar.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 14, 2016, 11:11:20 AM
Quote from: johnny Cash on May 14, 2016, 10:50:57 AM
There was an interesting part of the press conference where he was about style of play / better performances.

His answer was about how much better off we would have been had we scored the penalties.

This tells you everything about Pulis, it is all about the points.  If we improve next year, it will be an improvement in points with perhaps an extra clean sheet, one extra goal, or one extra penalty scored. The performances / entertainment level themselves will be very similar.

Of course it's about the points, the whole reward structure for EPL is performance driven. As far as I know, there are absolutely no rewards for style, entertaining or otherwise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 14, 2016, 11:16:51 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on May 14, 2016, 06:30:49 AM
I think he talks us down to make himself look good.
Your a rubbish football team but I/me/myself have kept you in this league.
To be honest I can only see our fan base declining if 40 points a season is what we have to offer the paying public.
I'd take yo yo seasons over that all day long

Actually so would I - and I never thought I'd say that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnny Cash on May 14, 2016, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on May 14, 2016, 11:11:20 AM
Of course it's about the points, the whole reward structure for EPL is performance driven. As far as I know, there are absolutely no rewards for style, entertaining or otherwise.

Its not all about the points, all of the time. Not for me anyway. Id rather have lost at bournemouth last week trying to win for instance, than time wasted at 1-1.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on May 14, 2016, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 14, 2016, 10:35:52 AM
So you'd also be happy for other clubs to come to The Hawthorns and play that way too then? What a wonderful spectacle football will become should the Pulis approach ever become widespread....

For a club of our standing, and with our resources, it's an acceptable tactic against stronger sides.   I accept that it's less acceptable against our peer group and below, where we should show more ambition.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 14, 2016, 12:23:25 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on May 14, 2016, 12:17:18 PM
For a club of our standing, and with our resources, it's an acceptable tactic against stronger sides.   I accept that it's less acceptable against our peer group and below, where we should show more ambition.

Funnily enough our results against the better teams in the league have been far superior to our record against teams at the bottom. You would think by now the penny would have dropped with Mr Pulis that to achieve more than 40-45 points you need to win your games against lesser opponents.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 16, 2016, 05:25:07 PM
I thought he gave it a good go against the Liverpool kids. Leko HAS to stay next season and Roberts looked promising. It's a bit irritating that he couldn't have been that adventurous in the past 4 games or so but hey!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 16, 2016, 05:50:47 PM
Even against a reserve side...When we went a goal up, he dropped his players back to defend.
Olsson just backed off and off....Result a goal to the opposition.
The best form of defence is attack.
If we are playing in their half, it is harder for them to score against us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 16, 2016, 06:37:17 PM
Surely the dreadful end of season run will put a hold on contract talks? I hope so anyway.

Watford fans on the whole seem happy with Flores moving on. He's achieved more than TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 16, 2016, 09:39:16 PM
So, as the dust is starting to settle on another season, what do we have?
Pulis out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on May 16, 2016, 09:57:41 PM
Tony Pulis
West Brom had fewer than three shots on target in exactly half of their league games this season, and no shot on target at all in seven of them. If that doesn’t shout ‘TONY PULIS’ at you in a loud voice, this will: West Brom got to 39 points on March 6, and were effectively safe on that date. They then drew four and lost five of their last nine games.

At what point do West Brom supporters get bored of this eye-bleeding tedium? At what point do the club listen to them and take action?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on May 16, 2016, 10:12:29 PM
Sad reality is Peace won't get rid of him unless he has to. For Peace the club is a business (entirely his prerogative). If you want to change this you have to protest and keep making the arguments.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 16, 2016, 10:16:21 PM
What sort of protest? Hash tagging PulisOut hasn't worked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ripryan1971 on May 16, 2016, 10:19:25 PM
I agree with everything said, and the stats are shocking,  but lads just please becareful what you wish for. That squad under any other manager would of been close too going down, if not going down.

TP said in a interview on Friday he's wanted to do lots of things different that he wasn't allowed too do. I'm 100% sure one of those things were bringing players in. Antonio being one. The man himself even thought he was coming to our club.

TP said he wants younger players for next season, let's see what happens. For me he deserves too get the chance this Summer to do that. Newcastle have spent 75m and gone down, just remember, splashing the cash doesn't guarantee nothing at all. Playing the most amazing football doesn't ether.

Having said all that i just want us too be a little more positive, i'm not asking for TM OR RDM style of football. I think the way we defend in numbers if we can get the right wide players, and a player too play in behind rondon then we will be fine playing on the counter and getting our usual set piece goals. Please please a proper left back too because i don't see any other club in all 4 Divisions that would go 3 windows not buying one.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 16, 2016, 10:35:18 PM
Quote from: ripryan1971 on May 16, 2016, 10:19:25 PM
I agree with everything said, and the stats are shocking,  but lads just please becareful what you wish for. That squad under any other manager would of been close too going down, if not going down.

TP said in a interview on Friday he's wanted to do lots of things different that he wasn't allowed too do. I'm 100% sure one of those things were bringing players in. Antonio being one. The man himself even thought he was coming to our club.

TP said he wants younger players for next season, let's see what happens. For me he deserves too get the chance this Summer to do that. Newcastle have spent 75m and gone down, just remember, splashing the cash doesn't guarantee nothing at all. Playing the most amazing football doesn't ether.

Having said all that i just want us too be a little more positive, i'm not asking for TM OR RDM style of football. I think the way we defend in numbers if we can get the right wide players, and a player too play in behind rondon then we will be fine playing on the counter and getting our usual set piece goals. Please please a proper left back too because i don't see any other club in all 4 Divisions that would go 3 windows not buying one.
I think it will be 4 windows without buying a left back, he can and has played brunt, evans, chester, or as a last resort poco.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on May 16, 2016, 10:36:34 PM
For me the last nine results are worrying. You often pick up next season where you left off - this is what Leicester did this year. If we carry on with our current form we will be in big trouble. We are just not in the habit of winning games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on May 16, 2016, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 16, 2016, 10:16:21 PM
What sort of protest? Hash tagging PulisOut hasn't worked.
A protest at games (too late for this season now, obviously).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saltnshake on May 16, 2016, 10:53:19 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 16, 2016, 10:35:18 PM
I think it will be 4 windows without buying a left back, he can and has played brunt, evans, chester, or as a last resort poco.
Do we count January as a transfer window at this club? ever since it came in you can probably count the number of players we have signed in January on 1 hand, also Jeremy works on a 1 player out 1 player in policy which with Poc still at the club might explain why he hasn't brought in  a new Left back, although like most fans i don't understand why Poc is not in the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on May 16, 2016, 11:29:29 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 16, 2016, 09:39:16 PM
So, as the dust is starting to settle on another season, what do we have?
  • A lower league finishing position than last season (equalling Pulis's worst in the Prem - it'll be his worst if Bournemouth get something from their final game)
  • Fewer points than last season
  • Fewer goals scored than last season
  • The biggest net spend on players that we've ever had (I think) in the transfer window prior to this season
  • A raft of game stats that were inconceivably awful for a club that wasn't relegated
  • Mind-numbingly depressing football in the majority of games
  • Players being picked regularly who were patently not good enough
  • Players being dropped despite playing well
  • Players not being given a fair crack of the whip
  • Players being played out of position to their frequent detriment
Pulis out.

Sums this sad situation up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 17, 2016, 06:38:10 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 16, 2016, 09:39:16 PM
So, as the dust is starting to settle on another season, what do we have?
  • A lower league finishing position than last season (equalling Pulis's worst in the Prem - it'll be his worst if Bournemouth get something from their final game)
  • Fewer points than last season
  • Fewer goals scored than last season
  • The biggest net spend on players that we've ever had (I think) in the transfer window prior to this season
  • A raft of game stats that were inconceivably awful for a club that wasn't relegated
  • Mind-numbingly depressing football in the majority of games
  • Players being picked regularly who were patently not good enough
  • Players being dropped despite playing well
  • Players not being given a fair crack of the whip
  • Players being played out of position to their frequent detriment
Pulis out.

yes but apart from that what was wrong?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 17, 2016, 06:57:20 AM
I'd be happy to see him go, but JP wants to sell club and get best buck for his Dollar. So looks like we're stuck with him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 17, 2016, 08:39:07 AM
Quote from: paulosull on May 17, 2016, 06:57:20 AM
I'd be happy to see him go, but JP wants to sell club and get best buck for his Dollar. So looks like we're stuck with him

Carry on with TP and the value will plummet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 17, 2016, 08:46:24 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on May 16, 2016, 05:50:47 PM
Even against a reserve side...When we went a goal up, he dropped his players back to defend.
Olsson just backed off and off....Result a goal to the opposition.
The best form of defence is attack.
If we are playing in their half, it is harder for them to score against us.

That's not down to Pulis. Olsson has always done that, I remember he did the same thing with Defoe under Hodgson...same end result as well.

Also playing in the oppositions half doesn't necessarily make it harder for the opposition to score, this season in particular has seen the rise of the counter attacking side which relies on the opposition using exactly that tactic then hitting them with pace.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 17, 2016, 08:50:04 AM
I keep hearing that TP has done a great job keeping this poor squad up and maybe they are right. However he's made 11 signings since he's been here yet people seem to gloss over this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on May 17, 2016, 08:51:06 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 17, 2016, 08:46:24 AM
That's not down to Pulis. Olsson has always done that, I remember he did the same thing with Defoe under Hodgson...same end result as well.

Also playing in the oppositions half doesn't necessarily make it harder for the opposition to score, this season in particular has seen the rise of the counter attacking side which relies on the opposition using exactly that tactic then hitting them with pace.



Yep, Vardy's goals against us at home this season and last came from us playing higher up the pitch with our centre backs on the halfway line
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 17, 2016, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: MarkW on May 17, 2016, 08:51:06 AM
Yep, Vardy's goals against us at home this season and last came from us playing higher up the pitch with our centre backs on the halfway line

Signing a centre half with pace could be a useful suggestion.  ;D  Instead we give new contracts to the slowest CH's in the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 17, 2016, 09:03:49 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 17, 2016, 08:50:04 AM
I keep hearing that TP has done a great job keeping this poor squad up and maybe they are right. However he's made 11 signings since he's been here yet people seem to gloss over this.

Exactly.
I've said before he's great at shifting blame when he's as culpable as anyone else.
Teflon Tony's after match interviews are a wonder to behold, he speaks for 20 minutes after the game and says nothing at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 17, 2016, 09:24:54 AM
He might of bought 11 players in but he changed their natural positions or does not play them at all.
He gives Ollie a new contract why I'll never know then subs him at half time for the exact reason he should not have got a new contract in the first place.
The guys anti football, yes its a poor squad, yes it needs rebuilding but I have no faith in Pulis to get the right players in and playing football.
After this transfer window, if supported he has no excuses BUT the team may comprise of 10 CB's and Brunty in goal(he's a good lad)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 17, 2016, 10:28:29 AM
Quote from: Throstletown on May 17, 2016, 09:24:54 AM
He might of bought 11 players in but he changed their natural positions or does not play them at all.
He gives Ollie a new contract why I'll never know then subs him at half time for the exact reason he should not have got a new contract in the first place.
The guys anti football, yes its a poor squad, yes it needs rebuilding but I have no faith in Pulis to get the right players in and playing football.
After this transfer window, if supported he has no excuses BUT the team may comprise of 10 CB's and Brunty in goal(he's a good lad)

Agree about Olsson.

With regard to Pulis getting the right players in. He was interested in Antonio and Sako last season as well as a couple of strikers (the names escape me) but we didn't manage to get them in.
West Ham paid more than we were prepared for Antonio and one of the strikers went to a club in a lesser league that were prepared to pay silly money in wages...is that Pulis's fault?

Pulis at least identified decent  players most fans would have been happy to have here.

I hope (and that's all it is) that Pulis will identify targets and this time we will get more than we lose out on.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 17, 2016, 10:35:42 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 17, 2016, 08:54:19 AM
Signing a centre half with pace could be a useful suggestion.  ;D  Instead we give new contracts to the slowest CH's in the league.
He's signed 2 centre halves who he plays at full back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 17, 2016, 10:42:04 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 17, 2016, 10:28:29 AM
Agree about Olsson.

With regard to Pulis getting the right players in. He was interested in Antonio and Sako last season as well as a couple of strikers (the names escape me) but we didn't manage to get them in.
West Ham paid more than we were prepared for Antonio and one of the strikers went to a club in a lesser league that were prepared to pay silly money in wages...is that Pulis's fault?

Pulis at least identified decent  players most fans would have been happy to have here.

I hope (and that's all it is) that Pulis will identify targets and this time we will get more than we lose out on.

How long have you been an albion fan  :o  :D

You know full well, anyone we identify will go to West Ham / Hull or Sheff Wed / Palarse .......

You also know that our business will be done at the very end of the window, "because we are down the food chain" / Euro's

You also know that we will sign good british lads who are solid / experienced / work ard / 6ft 13 plus !

Finally you also know that all of the above is dependent upon us moving some "lads" out, which will not happen as they are happy taking the cash for nowt.

Sit back and enjoy the all too predictable WBA FC transfer window, Yawn !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 17, 2016, 10:57:39 AM
Albionic is right. There are a lot more factors at play than simply Pulis' will who to sign. If we believe reports/ quotes, we were in for Antonio, Sako and maybe one or two other attacking players in the past. Also, Marcus Olsson (an attacking FB - yes an attacking one) was on Pulis' radar a while back until he 'got stuck in snow'.

Pulis's attacking signings of Callum McMannaman, Lambert, Gnabry, Pritchard simply failed. Chester was a poor one too but he's obviously got a better eye for a defensively minded player.

The point is , we know Pulis generally will go for safe, tried, tested British players who focus on ard work and defence but he also has tried to sign some other more attack minded players and failed. Some of this is down to Pulis but also down to market forces (harder to sign attackers) and otherwise down to the club's approach (rightly or wrongly).

Bringing in a new DoF can be a good thing for Pulis too - if he brings a list of attacking players and convinces Pulis they're usable (different thing altogether)!?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 17, 2016, 11:20:22 AM
Quote from: darbolina on May 17, 2016, 10:57:39 AM
Albionic is right. There are a lot more factors at play than simply Pulis' will who to sign. If we believe reports/ quotes, we were in for Antonio, Sako and maybe one or two other attacking players in the past. Also, Marcus Olsson (an attacking FB - yes an attacking one) was on Pulis' radar a while back until he 'got stuck in snow'.

Pulis's attacking signings of Callum McMannaman, Lambert, Gnabry, Pritchard simply failed. Chester was a poor one too but he's obviously got a better eye for a defensively minded player.

The point is , we know Pulis generally will go for safe, tried, tested British players who focus on ard work and defence but he also has tried to sign some other more attack minded players and failed. Some of this is down to Pulis but also down to market forces (harder to sign attackers) and otherwise down to the club's approach (rightly or wrongly).

Bringing in a new DoF can be a good thing for Pulis too - if he brings a list of attacking players and convinces Pulis they're usable (different thing altogether)!?
Do the players fail though, or are Pulis' requirements of them to blame?
These 3 players are all out and out attack-minded players so, if Pulis brings them in and asks them to spend 70% of the game defending is it any wonder they fail? Add to that, Chester being brought in to play Right Back and 1 injury to a midfielder forcing our best CH to Left Back and the imbalance is clear to see.
Would also explain why McLean, Gardner, Fletcher etc. are picked every week.
This is the reason we should not be trusting him with another transfer window, as he may well sign these type of players only for them never to be seen because they can't defend well enough.
Personally, I see no change in our set up or approach whilst he is in charge, he will stick to what he knows and, as long as his remit is merely to survive, the club will have no reason to get rid. The fans may well feel different, but, let's face it, does that really matter?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 17, 2016, 12:02:13 PM
Quote from: darbolina on May 17, 2016, 10:57:39 AM
Albionic is right. There are a lot more factors at play than simply Pulis' will who to sign. If we believe reports/ quotes, we were in for Antonio, Sako and maybe one or two other attacking players in the past. Also, Marcus Olsson (an attacking FB - yes an attacking one) was on Pulis' radar a while back until he 'got stuck in snow'.

Pulis's attacking signings of Callum McMannaman, Lambert, Gnabry, Pritchard simply failed. Chester was a poor one too but he's obviously got a better eye for a defensively minded player.

The point is , we know Pulis generally will go for safe, tried, tested British players who focus on ard work and defence but he also has tried to sign some other more attack minded players and failed. Some of this is down to Pulis but also down to market forces (harder to sign attackers) and otherwise down to the club's approach (rightly or wrongly).

Bringing in a new DoF can be a good thing for Pulis too - if he brings a list of attacking players and convinces Pulis they're usable (different thing altogether)!?

Albionic may well be right but he doesn't mention Pulis once in his reply. All the things he mentions tend to have happened at WBA in the past..so to lay the blame at Pulis's door is wrong....they seem to happen regardless of who the manager is.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 17, 2016, 12:05:53 PM
To be clear, my post was primarily about WBA and the transfer window, but added to that TP's penchant for a certain type of player which limits the potential signings,
All in all we know whats coming (again) why delude ourselves that we do not?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 17, 2016, 12:09:39 PM
I am honestly fearful of what players we will have here next season knowing that TP will have a strong say at the very least in the signings and we should have a decent kitty to throw at it in terms of transfer fees and wages.

I just see a land of the giants team with no attacking flair and Pulis leaving a few days before the start of the season like he did with Palace leaving us in a complete mess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 17, 2016, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: Albionic on May 17, 2016, 12:05:53 PM
To be clear, my post was primarily about WBA and the transfer window, but added to that TP's penchant for a certain type of player which limits the potential signings,
All in all we know whats coming (again) why delude ourselves that we do not?

I like to live in hope where Albion are concerned(it's all we have, you can call me deluded if you want!) so until I see who we have brought in I will wait and hope that Pulis signs 2 or 3 quality attacking players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 17, 2016, 12:26:51 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 17, 2016, 12:12:17 PM
I like to live in hope where Albion are concerned(it's all we have, you can call me deluded if you want!) so until I see who we have brought in I will wait and hope that Pulis signs 2 or 3 quality attacking players.

You're deluded  ;)

no offence meant ! I'm just pretty negative about life as a baggie at the moment, thats not been the case for a very, very, long time may I add.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 17, 2016, 12:49:41 PM
I decided a while ago that once this season was over, I wouldn't be returning to watch us while he was in charge.

There was a moment on Sunday which confirmed my decision. James McClean chased after the ball like an overexcited puppy, never standing a chance of getting near it - no chance of a tackle or interception - and he left us open by being out of position. Yet when he was done, he got a round of applause.

This is how the team will play, and while fans are still willing to tolerate, even encourage, that style of football, it will not change. A generation of fans are being conditioned that success is 40 points and a decent looking balance sheet. Not me.

While he is at the club, I won't be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 17, 2016, 01:11:06 PM
Quote from: Albionic on May 17, 2016, 12:26:51 PM
You're deluded  ;)

no offence meant ! I'm just pretty negative about life as a baggie at the moment, thats not been the case for a very, very, long time may I add.

No offence taken. I completely understand why you feel the way you do. I just have a feeling we will get some decent players in and see a better Albion next season.

I am concerned though that he has said he is keen to keep Lambert...maybe that's just to keep Lambert happy and also that we gave Olsson a new deal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ripryan1971 on May 17, 2016, 01:26:08 PM
Just wondering putting Palace's cup final too one side. What would you be saying if you supported them? They have so much more flair than us but there record of 8 points from 57 in 2016 is shocking How do you explain that? They have scored only 5 more goals than us. If you said we would finish above them at the start of the season, i would of ripped your hand off.


This Transfer window for me will answer questions. People say he will play Brunt Left back, well i'm pretty sure he won't be fit and will miss the famous TP pre season fitness. Hopefully now the season is over he has learnt that he can't play Olsson as much as he has of late. He has subbed him in a few games at halftime and switched Evans back too CB.

So surely he will buy a left back, if he doesn't than i will start raising question marks. There is no excuse with the finances we have now.

All we can do is wait folks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on May 17, 2016, 01:34:57 PM
sorry if this has already been asked but does anyone know  when TP is having his meeting with Jezza Peace?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 17, 2016, 01:46:32 PM
Quote from: ripryan1971 on May 17, 2016, 01:26:08 PM
Just wondering putting Palace's cup final too one side. What would you be saying if you supported them? They have so much more flair than us but there record of 8 points from 57 in 2016 is shocking How do you explain that? They have scored only 5 more goals than us. If you said we would finish above them at the start of the season, i would of ripped your hand off.


This Transfer window for me will answer questions. People say he will play Brunt Left back, well i'm pretty sure he won't be fit and will miss the famous TP pre season fitness. Hopefully now the season is over he has learnt that he can't play Olsson as much as he has of late. He has subbed him in a few games at halftime and switched Evans back too CB.

So surely he will buy a left back, if he doesn't than i will start raising question marks. There is no excuse with the finances we have now.

All we can do is wait folks

He might look to buy a LB but only because Brunt may not be fit and not because he is a liability at times at LB. Olsson has been very poor at times of late but still played regularly. We have other options available (Dawson, Chester, Poco at LB) but he's chosen not to use them. I will be amazed if we don't start next season with the same back 4 that played v Liverpool.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 17, 2016, 01:59:39 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 17, 2016, 12:12:17 PM
I like to live in hope where Albion are concerned(it's all we have, you can call me deluded if you want!) so until I see who we have brought in I will wait and hope that Pulis signs 2 or 3 quality attacking players.
There's a difference between signing them and playing them. I think we will see some attacking additions to the squad, just not sure how much of the 1st 11 they will see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 17, 2016, 06:15:04 PM
Pulis to the best of my knowledge never bought in a specialist full back of any description at Stoke or Palace so I wouldn't be over surprised if he didn't this summer. Attacking players yes whatever but if our attacking players are sitting 30 yards deeper than the Centre Forward it really doesn't matter who they are it is going to make very little difference to the way we play.

I've given up expecting anything to change while he is here, I am just hoping that there is some decent if under utilised talent here when he goes and he doesn't get us relegated playing Pulisball because that would be the worst of all possible worlds. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 18, 2016, 02:05:57 PM
Quote from: Pie on May 17, 2016, 01:34:57 PM
sorry if this has already been asked but does anyone know  when TP is having his meeting with Jezza Peace?

Probably not much help but in this article it says "this week".

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-talks-west-brom-11347466
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 18, 2016, 05:04:49 PM
Quote from: Albionic on May 17, 2016, 10:42:04 AM
How long have you been an albion fan  :o  :D

You know full well, anyone we identify will go to West Ham / Hull or Sheff Wed / Palarse .......

You also know that our business will be done at the very end of the window, "because we are down the food chain" / Euro's

You also know that we will sign good british lads who are solid / experienced / work ard / 6ft 13 plus !

Finally you also know that all of the above is dependent upon us moving some "lads" out, which will not happen as they are happy taking the cash for nowt.

Sit back and enjoy the all too predictable WBA FC transfer window, Yawn !

Agree 100%.
Think we all know that the chairmans ambitions rest only in staying up & making more money. This is why teflon tony is appointed & will remain the chosen one for the forseeable future.
We can expect a summer of speculation, terminating in a few dissapointing late signings.
Get used to one decent performance approx every ten games along with plenty of bluster about taking the cups seriously, only to play weakened teams in the cup competitions, especially the league cup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 20, 2016, 07:51:08 PM
If we pay them enough they will come...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 23, 2016, 10:05:14 PM
Got to love a bookmaker with a sense of humour. Saw this & it made me laugh, until I remembered that Pulis is our manager & the jokes on us.....Doh!!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 23, 2016, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: Manc Baggie on May 23, 2016, 10:05:14 PM
Got to love a bookmaker with a sense of humour. Saw this & it made me laugh, until I remembered that Pulis is our manager & the jokes on us.....Doh!!  :o :o :o

Thing with this is, of the lower team managers, he's the one they don't like facing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 24, 2016, 08:09:41 AM
in tone we trust :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on May 24, 2016, 10:31:33 AM
Removed a few posts. Everyone knows the rules on this site. No talking about (potential) successors while we still have a manager.

There's a thread in the General Football section if you want to discuss how inexperienced Giggs is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 24, 2016, 10:41:04 AM
The bottom line for me is, this season, Tony Pulis must show improvement next season, if he can not improve the playing style then I think its best if we part company.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 24, 2016, 10:48:46 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 24, 2016, 10:41:04 AM
The bottom line for me is, this season, Tony Pulis must show improvement next season, if he can not improve the playing style then I think its best if we part company.

I personally don't think the playing style as such needs to change much but I think it is vital that we get much better quality in key areas of the pitch and we will naturally look easier on the eye as a result. Do I think he can get that quality in? Probably not but I think it will be more down to the club than him when it comes to transfers.

If it were up to me he could forget any talk of a new contract this summer, club should wait to see what we can do to improve the squad and see where the land lies after the first couple of months into the season before making a definitive decision on his future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 24, 2016, 11:28:11 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 24, 2016, 10:41:04 AM
The bottom line for me is, this season, Tony Pulis must show improvement next season, if he can not improve the playing style then I think its best if we part company.



agreed but when hes gone its going to take some work to overturn what hes left behind
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on May 24, 2016, 11:45:24 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 24, 2016, 10:41:04 AM
The bottom line for me is, this season, Tony Pulis must show improvement next season, if he can not improve the playing style then I think its best if we part company.
I am prepared to see what he does without the Berahino nonsense distracting everyone and a side that he can claim is fully his own.  But another turgid 40 point season will be too much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 24, 2016, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 24, 2016, 10:41:04 AM
The bottom line for me is, this season, Tony Pulis must show improvement next season, if he can not improve the playing style then I think its best if we part company.

My concern is the type/standard of player he will bring in before the point whereby there is a parting of the ways.

Many people say he has done wonders to keep that squad up this season, and he has because the squad is atrocious, but let's not forget that the signings he has made since he arrived have added to that poor squad.

Chester, Lambert, McClean, McManaman, Lindegaard all utterly pointless signings that we are now having to try and move on, or in the case of McClean, keep and pray we do not need to use him too often next season. Gnabry and Pritchard were a waste of time and Sandro gives us nothing that we didn't have before.

Evans, Rondon, Fletcher. The three you would give merit to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 24, 2016, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on May 24, 2016, 11:45:24 AM
I am prepared to see what he does without the Berahino nonsense distracting everyone and a side that he can claim is fully his own.  But another turgid 40 point season will be too much.

He has signed ELEVEN players, at what point is this squad "fully his own"? ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 24, 2016, 01:03:13 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 24, 2016, 01:01:25 PM
He has signed ELEVEN players, at what point is this squad "fully his own"? ???

When we have Charlie Adam, Peter Crouch, Jon Walters...and Rory Delap   ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 24, 2016, 01:05:44 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 24, 2016, 11:55:42 AM
My concern is the type/standard of player he will bring in before the point whereby there is a parting of the ways.

Many people say he has done wonders to keep that squad up this season, and he has because the squad is atrocious, but let's not forget that the signings he has made since he arrived have added to that poor squad.

Chester, Lambert, McClean, McManaman, Lindegaard all utterly pointless signings that we are now having to try and move on, or in the case of McClean, keep and pray we do not need to use him too often next season. Gnabry and Pritchard were a waste of time and Sandro gives us nothing that we didn't have before.

Evans, Rondon, Fletcher. The three you would give merit to.

Chester and McClean are not pointless signings, one has potential, one has been a decent squad member.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 24, 2016, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 24, 2016, 01:05:44 PM
Chester and McClean are not pointless signings, one has potential, one has been a decent squad member.

For a combined £10m I would be looking for much more than potential and a squad member.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 24, 2016, 10:35:16 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 24, 2016, 01:14:32 PM
For a combined £10m I would be looking for much more than potential and a squad member.
That's the Prem prices.And by the way Lindegaard was back up keeper would you not rather we have? Lambert should have been bought when he was at Bristol Rovers.We could have had a bargain then. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 25, 2016, 09:45:25 AM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 24, 2016, 10:35:16 PM
That's the Prem prices.And by the way Lindegaard was back up keeper would you not rather we have? Lambert should have been bought when he was at Bristol Rovers.We could have had a bargain then.

Prem prices? I think we could have purchased a far better back up right back/left back for a lot cheaper than we paid for a centre back who Pulis wanted to masquerade in those positions.

Lambert at Bristol Rovers is going back 7 years when he was but a 27 year old. Sadly we signed him aged 33 and his legs gone so not so much of a bargain.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 25, 2016, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 25, 2016, 09:45:25 AM
Prem prices? I think we could have purchased a far better back up right back/left back for a lot cheaper than we paid for a centre back who Pulis wanted to masquerade in those positions.

Lambert at Bristol Rovers is going back 7 years when he was but a 27 year old. Sadly we signed him aged 33 and his legs gone so not so much of a bargain.
I said at the time he was playing for Rovers that is when we should have gone for him.I used to watch them now and again as we loaned Nicholson to them.Imagine him and Phillips up front.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 25, 2016, 12:21:51 PM
The baffling thing about Pulis' signings at Albion is that he's brought players in who have not had a look in or who were never equipped in the first place (for one reason or another) to do the job Pulis wanted them to do e.g. Chester, Cmac, Gnabry, Lambert, Pritchard........?

I really hope, we get a much better balance to the squad in the summer because regardless of how long Pulis is around, the squad he leaves will remain. If he left tomorrow, I wouldn't be confident we'd score enough goals to stay up and I'm not sure any other manager would be so defensively minded as to grind out points in the same way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 25, 2016, 12:38:39 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 23, 2016, 10:38:16 PM
Thing with this is, of the lower team managers, he's the one they don't like facing.

Much the same way Anthony Joshua wouldn't like to face a tramp with a broken bottle in hand...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 25, 2016, 01:45:48 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on May 25, 2016, 12:38:39 PM
Much the same way Anthony Joshua wouldn't like to face a tramp with a broken bottle in hand...

Out of interest when is this proposed encounter taking place?

Not only does the tramp have 'bottle', he clearly doesn't give a f(k for reputations and sounds the more experienced of the two protagonists.

At this moment in Mr Joshua's career, my money's on the tramp.
 :) ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on May 25, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
the contract situation is interesting - if the club thought he was an asset, he would be tied down to a longer deal, but hopefully the club know that in the context of a sale, him being on a short contract is better should the investor wish to introduce their own investment into the playing and management team
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Stroller on May 25, 2016, 03:04:36 PM
The Guardian's Paul Doyle writes (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/football-rumours-ryan-giggs-set-to-be-named-everton-manager):
"A rush for West Bromwich Albion season tickets has been averted by reports that Tony Pulis is poised to stay on as manager for next season following talks with chairman Jeremy Peace."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 25, 2016, 03:09:28 PM
Quote from: The Stroller on May 25, 2016, 03:04:36 PM
The Guardian's Paul Doyle writes (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/football-rumours-ryan-giggs-set-to-be-named-everton-manager):
"A rush for West Bromwich Albion season tickets has been averted by reports that Tony Pulis is poised to stay on as manager for next season following talks with chairman Jeremy Peace."

It would be interesting to see a poll on how many current season ticket holders are actually going to renew. Most will out of habit I would guess. I can't see us attracting many new ones.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 25, 2016, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 25, 2016, 03:09:28 PM
It would be interesting to see a poll on how many current season ticket holders are actually going to renew. Most will out of habit I would guess. I can't see us attracting many new ones.

Be very hard to do and not something the club would undertake.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 25, 2016, 03:38:18 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 24, 2016, 01:01:25 PM
He has signed ELEVEN players, at what point is this squad "fully his own"? ???
Honestly, I'd say after this summer window - then there's no excuses.

Out of say 10 signings, every manager is allowed 1 or 2. For Pulis the worst have been Lambert and McManaman. Then, you could argue that some of his signings are more underbelly (i.e. Lingaard).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 25, 2016, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 25, 2016, 03:26:31 PM
Be very hard to do and not something the club would undertake.

I was thinking of a poll on here. I know it's only a small minority but would still be interesting all the same. I know a few who have been going for years who are still undecided.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 25, 2016, 03:41:38 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on May 25, 2016, 03:38:18 PM
Honestly, I'd say after this summer window - then there's no excuses.

Out of say 10 signings, every manager is allowed 1 or 2. For Pulis the worst have been Lambert and McManaman. Then, you could argue that some of his signings are more underbelly (i.e. Lingaard).

Good ones or bad ones? Only 2/3 of the 11 have been a success for me.

I appreciate he has his hands tied to a degree but he doesn't help himself at times. The reluctance to look abroad for example.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on May 25, 2016, 04:15:18 PM
Football 365 latest poll. TP seems to be getting p*ss taken out of him a bit these days from all angles.


Which elite Premier League manager will be the first to leave?

 Arsene Wenger
12%


Antonio Conte
20%


Claudio Ranieri
7%


Jurgen Klopp
4%


Pep Guardiola
5%


Jose Mourinho
16%


Mauricio Pochettino
6%


Tony Pulis
30%
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 25, 2016, 06:53:48 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 25, 2016, 03:41:38 PM
Good ones or bad ones? Only 2/3 of the 11 have been a success for me.

I appreciate he has his hands tied to a degree but he doesn't help himself at times. The reluctance to look abroad for example.
I meant bad ones!

For me I would honestly say Chester, Lambert and McManaman have been poor. Can you honestly call the others bad signings (I'm not on about loans either) Even though I don't rate McClean at all, for £1.5 million he was ok.

I think you have to accept that managers will make bad signings, when we had Ashworth we had something very special, but across the board, clubs make poor signings, as long as the majority are ok.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 25, 2016, 07:30:03 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on May 25, 2016, 06:53:48 PM
I meant bad ones!

For me I would honestly say Chester, Lambert and McManaman have been poor. Can you honestly call the others bad signings (I'm not on about loans either) Even though I don't rate McClean at all, for £1.5 million he was ok.

I think you have to accept that managers will make bad signings, when we had Ashworth we had something very special, but across the board, clubs make poor signings, as long as the majority are ok.

I would add the loans too. We still have to pay them a wage and take up a squad place but been of no use to us. McLean at £1.5m is good value but he hasn't improved our side. An established Prem club like ours shouldn't be signing the McLeans of the world.

My fear is that we'll make the same mistakes this summer. We need to buy quality over quantity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 28, 2016, 09:17:50 AM
Pinched from Facebook...

So 2 weeks since the season ended, what have we seen...
Looks increasingly likely Pulis will sign a new contract so he can ruin our club and brand of football for years to come, seems 9 games without a win counts for nothing nowadays, wonder how long that run will stretch come august.

Our scouts assignments haven't changed much over last few years, 2014 we wanted Ba and Phillps, 2015 we wanted Ba ,phillips and Clarke and now in 2016 we want Ba, Phillips Clark and basically any free agent as long as they are defensive minded and over 30 years old.

Also looks likely fans favourite Morrisson will depart the club, whether that's his decision or the clubs it could be a mistake as leaves us with no creativity.

Boro have been in the league 5mins and signed Ajax young creative talent Viktor Fischer for just over £3m, why were we not looking at him, they now have more creativity for a small sum than we have in whole team.

Oh and in todays gossip we want to sign a poor 31 year old LB from France, yes its because he's tall and is a free agent, shock.

And we know whoever comes up today will show more ambition than us in the summer and next season, good luck Hull and Sheffield Wed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 28, 2016, 09:44:17 AM
Just look at most of our transfers, the press don't get a sniff most of the time unless the other club or an agent leaks it out. Lets just all believe what is written in the newspapers and allow petty jealousy to eat away at us as other teams are making moves for people that are decent on a computer game or have shown promise in a league that is of a much lower quality than ours, like being back on the playground at school sometimes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 28, 2016, 10:27:05 AM
When it comes to Pulis I still think it would be a big mistake for us to hand him a new contract this summer. After our poor run at the end of the season we should be telling him we will talk about a potential contract extension a couple of months into the new season if we start well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 28, 2016, 10:48:12 AM
A rolling 1 year contract would be sensible as far as I'm concerned. Pulis himself seemed to be saying that he would be fine working under that arrangement.

There's one thing for sure, if there was a parting of the ways he would pick up another job any November/December time when chairmen start panicking about the drop.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 28, 2016, 10:49:59 AM
"New technical director Nick Hammond has admitted a big summer awaits Albion as they look to challenge higher up the Premier League next season. Hammond, who joined the Baggies last month after more than a decade as Reading’s director of football, will play a key role in planning the club’s summer recruitment alongside boss Tony Pulis.

Albion, who finished 14th this season, are looking to take advantage of their standing as the West Midlands’ only remaining top-flight representatives and Hammond believes the coming months represent a great opportunity for the club to push forward. The Baggies spent more than £30million last summer and the new Premier League TV deal makes another significant spend likely.

Hammond said: “There is great potential at this club. Year-on-year you want to make progressions and we should aspire to be better next year. Based on the new Premier League prize money, it is a great opportunity. It is a big summer, for sure.”

Hammond believes Pulis, who is expected to sign a new contract in the coming weeks, is the right man to help Albion make the next step. The 48-year-old met with the Baggies head coach before agreeing to move to the Hawthorns and was impressed by the passion which still burns within the Welshman.

He added: “For a guy who has been involved in football for so long, I came away from the meetings knowing one, he has an incredibly high work ethic and two, he remains remarkably ambitious. There was a real drive in him when I had the conversation. In any year success is trying to be better than the previous year, I think that is where Tony’s starting point will be.”

Hammond went on: “He has done a very good job here. He came in difficult circumstances and finished in a good position last year. This year he has brought players to the club and it has been a very solid season. I have seen him say publicly that he to wants to push on. He is a very ambitious guy. You have to progress, standing still is not an option. Everyone else will be doing their damnedest to move forward.”

Source: Express & Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/05/28/nick-hammond-big-summer-for-west-brom/)

I've highlighted the things I wish to comment on above. Pulis has never "pushed on", or shown any inclination to, either during his time here or when he was at Stoke. Indeed, last season was his equal lowest finishing position in the Premier League.  As Pulis made clear in his post-season comments, the extent of his ambition is to get to 40 points. Standing still is at the very core of what he's about.

If Pulis is rewarded with a new contract for what happened last season, my enthusiasm for the club will reach an all-time low. Not only will it be rewarding Pulis for relative failure, but will also make it painfully clear, if it wasn't obvious already, that Peace's ambition matches that of Pulis - get to 40 points and that will do. It will also reinforce the belief that Peace doesn't care how we play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 28, 2016, 10:58:56 AM
I don't think you can deny that Pulis will want to strengthen which in effect is striving to 'push on'.
He's not going to say we don't need to spend, I can get this bunch over the line with 40 points again.

He's also not going to say to a strengthened squad 'get us to 40 points by the end of Feb' then put your feet up.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 28, 2016, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 28, 2016, 10:49:59 AM

I've highlighted the things I wish to comment on above. Pulis has never "pushed on", or shown any inclination to, either during his time here or when he was at Stoke. Indeed, last season was his equal lowest finishing position in the Premier League.  As Pulis made clear in his post-season comments, the extent of his ambition is to get to 40 points. Standing still is at the very core of what he's about.

If Pulis is rewarded with a new contract for what happened last season, my enthusiasm for the club will reach an all-time low. Not only will it be rewarding Pulis for relative failure, but will also make it painfully clear, if it wasn't obvious already, that Peace's ambition matches that of Pulis - get to 40 points and that will do. It will also reinforce the belief that Peace doesn't care how we play.

That's a good point if you forget about Stoke being a shoddy Championship club when he took over. And being a solid mid table Premier League club when he left.

Claudio Ranieri (you know, the league winner) repeatedly said 40 points was his target until he reached that goal. You're a club who's never reached 50 points in a PL season so it shows your owner is realistic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 28, 2016, 12:13:31 PM
I hope we don't give him a contract extension. For two reasons firstly his performance hasn't justified it particularly  across the last 10 games of the season which was relegation form that continues into next season and we will be sacking him by November. Secondly it signals another two or three years of turgid football at the Hawthorns.

Pulis always talks about ambition pushing on and scoring more goals but NEVER actually does it. What he lacks is the tactical acumen to push beyond his own self limiting comfort zone. For us to get beyond 50 points or win trophies we will have to take risks on the pitch to win games that we might not otherwise win without taking those risks, Pulis will never do that.

My sincere hope is that we have a good summer and finish the window with a strong squad which will finally strip away the excuses and expose him for the charlatan he is.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 28, 2016, 12:15:15 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 28, 2016, 10:58:56 AM
He's also not going to say to a strengthened squad 'get us to 40 points by the end of Feb' then put your feet up.
Remind me what happened in the season just ended with a squad that had more spent on it than ever before?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 28, 2016, 12:48:39 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 28, 2016, 11:14:58 AM
That's a good point if you forget about Stoke being a shoddy Championship club when he took over. And being a solid mid table Premier League club when he left.

Claudio Ranieri (you know, the league winner) repeatedly said 40 points was his target until he reached that goal. You're a club who's never reached 50 points in a PL season so it shows your owner is realistic.

Pulis deserves credit for getting Stoke up and keeping them there but he was never able to push them on like Hughes has.

As for Ranieri, as soon as they hit 40 points the target changed. That's the difference - we reached 40 and threw away 20 odd points at the end of the season.

If you love him so much you can bloody take him back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 28, 2016, 12:49:04 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on May 28, 2016, 11:14:58 AM
That's a good point if you forget about Stoke being a shoddy Championship club when he took over. And being a solid mid table Premier League club when he left.

Claudio Ranieri (you know, the league winner) repeatedly said 40 points was his target until he reached that goal. You're a club who's never reached 50 points in a PL season so it shows your owner is realistic.
You have remembered he has left your club and why? Pretty much the same reason why lots of people don't want him here.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 28, 2016, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on May 28, 2016, 12:15:15 PM
Remind me what happened in the season just ended with a squad that had more spent on it than ever before?
same thing that happened with other teams who stayed up fairly comfortably - Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth.
This year we had several players untrusted in the squad. We had our two most creative players injured in Morrison and Brunt. Evans playing LB due to Brunt's injury.
Next year its likely to be more Pulis' squad (assuming enough can be shifted on). We will hopefully have more trusted depth.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 28, 2016, 01:57:18 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 28, 2016, 01:29:32 PM
same thing that happened with other teams who stayed up fairly comfortably - Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth.
This year we had several players untrusted in the squad. We had our two most creative players injured in Morrison and Brunt. Evans playing LB due to Brunt's injury.
Next year its likely to be more Pulis' squad (assuming enough can be shifted on). We will hopefully have more trusted depth.

Pulis has made 11 signings and still doesn't trust over half of them. How many more does he need to sign before it's classed as his squad?

As for the likes of Bournemouth and Watford you mention. They are newly promoted sides. We shouldn't be comparing ourselves with them. We are a supposedly established club at this level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 28, 2016, 02:32:31 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 28, 2016, 01:57:18 PM
Pulis has made 11 signings and still doesn't trust over half of them. How many more does he need to sign before it's classed as his squad?
Indeed. Pepe Mel was held to be accountable by some who post here and yet he didn't get to sign a single player of his choosing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on May 28, 2016, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 28, 2016, 12:48:39 PM
Pulis deserves credit for getting Stoke up and keeping them there but he was never able to push them on like Hughes has.

As for Ranieri, as soon as they hit 40 points the target changed. That's the difference - we reached 40 and threw away 20 odd points at the end of the season.

If you love him so much you can bloody take him back.

Push them on by finishing 9th?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 28, 2016, 04:32:53 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 28, 2016, 01:57:18 PM
Pulis has made 11 signings and still doesn't trust over half of them. How many more does he need to sign before it's classed as his squad?

As for the likes of Bournemouth and Watford you mention. They are newly promoted sides. We shouldn't be comparing ourselves with them. We are a supposedly established club at this level.
An established club that Pulis was brought in to rescue from serious relegation threat.
Can only think of 10 signings 3 of the them loans...Gnabri, Pritchard, Sandro. Not everyone he signs is going to be automatic 1st choice. He trusts Evans, Rondon, McLean Fletcher ....Chester was always going to be competing with Dawson at RB and our selection of CBs.
OK the Gnabri loan signing didn't work but he was trying to address our lack of pace and edge (prefer Gardner mark 2 ?). Pritchard was brought in as cover when Morrison did his hamstring...have to have cover at prem level.
I'm not claiming all his signings will work anyway but  we've got the Gamboa, Poc, Anichebe and yes Lambert in the underbelly.
I'm not a raving Pulis supporter but just trying to be balanced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 28, 2016, 04:58:26 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 28, 2016, 12:48:39 PM
Pulis deserves credit for getting Stoke up and keeping them there but he was never able to push them on like Hughes has.

As for Ranieri, as soon as they hit 40 points the target changed. That's the difference - we reached 40 and threw away 20 odd points at the end of the season.

If you love him so much you can bloody take him back.

On the other hand would Hughes have pushed the club on if the foundations were not left by Pulis? He tried to build his own team at Man City and QPR and fell flat on his face. Same with Martinez who has undone the foundations left by Moyes and fell flat on his face. Bilic and Ranieri have done really well and pushed on with the foundations left by Big Sam and Pearson. But would those guys have done so well if the foundations were not already built?

You lot seem to think Pulis is only a manager because he won a competition in the newspaper. He's set to manage in his 9th consecutive Premier League season so he can't be doing too badly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 28, 2016, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 28, 2016, 12:49:04 PM
You have remembered he has left your club and why? Pretty much the same reason why lots of people don't want him here.  ;)
There are others like me who welcomed him in to sort the fiasco of relegation threatened seasons under Pepe and Irvine. There was a very good reason why he was appointed. It is called tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on May 28, 2016, 06:01:31 PM
Gary Megson,adored at Albion, couldn't keep us up, Bryan Robson, world class footballer and knowledge of the game ultimately couldn't either, RDM would have taken us down so would Irvine. Tony Mowbray...well, let's not go there, we were made to loo right idiots by the fools who bought the masks, gave him  terrific applause for taking us down,and then watched him bugger off to Celtic.
Two managers and two only have had the nous to keep us here, Hodgson and Pulis. Both set up teams that were hard to beat but not that pleasing on the eye.
Hodgson was never going to stay long.
Now we have a manager who wanted the job,who wants to be here long term, his own words, to build a solid platform for the future.
Careful what you wish for. Moyes would never come here,and Pep and Jose have already taken up new posts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 28, 2016, 06:07:08 PM
Sjokelad, ive got plenty of Stoke mates who laughed their heads at me when that dinosaur arrived.
Most of them said wait till your bored to death, we did not need telling we'd seen your lot year in year out playing anti football.
We hated it with a passion, its torture to watch and unfortunately we are Stoke Albion HOOF!
KICK AND CHASE FOOTBALL you could watch it on the park, careful what you wish for just a little bit of football instead of HOOF.
If your happy with whats being served up, football aint your passion, its Albion but sooner or later this Pulisball will fail and there will be no coming back as we wont have any talent left.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 28, 2016, 06:26:21 PM
Quote from: Throstletown on May 28, 2016, 06:07:08 PM
Sjokelad, ive got plenty of Stoke mates who laughed their heads at me when that dinosaur arrived.
Most of them said wait till your bored to death, we did not need telling we'd seen your lot year in year out playing anti football.
We hated it with a passion, its torture to watch and unfortunately we are Stoke Albion HOOF!
KICK AND CHASE FOOTBALL you could watch it on the park, careful what you wish for just a little bit of football instead of HOOF.
If your happy with whats being served up, football aint your passion, its Albion but sooner or later this Pulisball will fail and there will be no coming back as we wont have any talent left.
What, like Stoke have since Pulis failed?

You may not like him but that's just not true at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 28, 2016, 06:31:37 PM
Quote from: Throstletown on May 28, 2016, 06:07:08 PM
Sjokelad, ive got plenty of Stoke mates who laughed their heads at me when that dinosaur arrived.
Most of them said wait till your bored to death, we did not need telling we'd seen your lot year in year out playing anti football.
We hated it with a passion, its torture to watch and unfortunately we are Stoke Albion HOOF!
KICK AND CHASE FOOTBALL you could watch it on the park, careful what you wish for just a little bit of football instead of HOOF.
If your happy with whats being served up, football aint your passion, its Albion but sooner or later this Pulisball will fail and there will be no coming back as we wont have any talent left.
We were hanging on by our fingernails before he came.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 28, 2016, 06:35:14 PM
Quote from: divinewind on May 28, 2016, 06:01:31 PM
Gary Megson,adored at Albion, couldn't keep us up, Bryan Robson, world class footballer and knowledge of the game ultimately couldn't either, RDM would have taken us down so would Irvine. Tony Mowbray...well, let's not go there, we were made to loo right idiots by the fools who bought the masks, gave him  terrific applause for taking us down,and then watched him bugger off to Celtic.
Two managers and two only have had the nous to keep us here, Hodgson and Pulis. Both set up teams that were hard to beat but not that pleasing on the eye.
Hodgson was never going to stay long.
Now we have a manager who wanted the job,who wants to be here long term, his own words, to build a solid platform for the future.
Careful what you wish for. Moyes would never come here,and Pep and Jose have already taken up new posts.
Pepe got the sack from Betis again.What a "Merry-go-Round"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 28, 2016, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 28, 2016, 12:49:04 PM
You have remembered he has left your club and why? Pretty much the same reason why lots of people don't want him here.  ;)

The timing was right to part ways. 10 years of the Pulis cycle (with a small break in the middle) improved the club immensely. A club in complete shambles heading for League 1 built into a solid Premier League club.

Off the pitch the expensive training ground had been finished. Academy 1 status was won. And I think there were 8 players who were leaving at the end of their contracts, This gave the new guy a lot of room on the wage bill to make his mark. People also forget Pulis wanted to walk away 12 months earlier for personal reasons. Peter Coates convinced him to stay on which was a mistake in hindsight. That last season was probably the worst and it was obvious that Pulis needed a break from the game. The Coates family put the pieces in place ready for the next guy to succeed and it worked out great for the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 28, 2016, 08:20:14 PM
I really can not believe people who state they are football fans want another year of sh1te , this bloke is making us a blight on football like he did with Stoke.
People want us to go down just like we wanted rid of Stoke, the blight of the Premiership.
I love my club and to see what we have become and how the Shrine is like a library says it all. Is there a fire drill on 70 minutes ringing out thats not my club, its supporters, so for me who ever cannot see whats happening other than were in safe hands SORRY but take those rose tinted glasses off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 28, 2016, 08:33:09 PM
Around 79000 people were at Wembley today, hoping with a passion that their football club could be in the same position that we are.

Around 40,000 were disappointed.

Be very careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 28, 2016, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on May 28, 2016, 08:33:09 PM
Around 79000 people were at Wembley today, hoping with a passion that their football club could be in the same position that we are.

Around 40,000 were disappointed.

Be very careful what you wish for.
wonder how many of the 79.000 would want pulis as coach after 1 season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on May 28, 2016, 08:51:26 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on May 28, 2016, 08:33:09 PM
Around 79000 people were at Wembley today, hoping with a passion that their football club could be in the same position that we are.

Around 40,000 were disappointed.

Be very careful what you wish for.
Be careful what you wish for,works both ways.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 28, 2016, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on May 28, 2016, 08:33:09 PM
Around 79000 people were at Wembley today, hoping with a passion that their football club could be in the same position that we are.

Around 40,000 were disappointed.

Be very careful what you wish for.

If they knew their team were going to grind their way to 40 points whilst boring the hell out of them then maybe they wouldn't be too fussed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 28, 2016, 09:09:00 PM
Pulis is like Marmite.
You either love him or hate him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 28, 2016, 09:11:42 PM
How can you love him, is it really all about 40 points ffs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on May 28, 2016, 10:04:14 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on May 28, 2016, 09:09:00 PM
Pulis is like Marmite.
You either love him or hate him.

I'd say it's closer to "You either tolerate him, or you hate him".

I don't consider myself a fan of Pulis but I'm a realist that acknowledges being in the Premier League is better for us as a club than not, and Pulis should keep us there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 28, 2016, 10:47:30 PM
Quote from: MarkW on May 28, 2016, 10:04:14 PM
I'd say it's closer to "You either tolerate him, or you hate him".

I don't consider myself a fan of Pulis but I'm a realist that acknowledges being in the Premier League is better for us as a club than not, and Pulis should keep us there.
To what end - so that Pulis can throttle games to death in a bid to stifle the opposition as much as possible? Is that your idea of entertainment? Are those of you who support Pulis staying happy to spend so much of your hard-earned money on watching us win about a quarter of our games each season in the most mind-numbingly awful manner possible? Sorry, but I just don't get it......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 28, 2016, 10:54:24 PM
Quote from: MarkW on May 28, 2016, 10:04:14 PM
I'd say it's closer to "You either tolerate him, or you hate him".

I don't consider myself a fan of Pulis but I'm a realist that acknowledges being in the Premier League is better for us as a club than not, and Pulis should keep us there.

That describes where I stand on him, I tolerate him for what I see as the greater good at least in the short term.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 28, 2016, 11:16:17 PM
Quote from: Throstletown on May 28, 2016, 08:20:14 PM
I really can not believe people who state they are football fans want another year of sh1te , this bloke is making us a blight on football like he did with Stoke.
People want us to go down just like we wanted rid of Stoke, the blight of the Premiership.
I love my club and to see what we have become and how the Shrine is like a library says it all. Is there a fire drill on 70 minutes ringing out thats not my club, its supporters, so for me who ever cannot see whats happening other than were in safe hands SORRY but take those rose tinted glasses off.
I didn't want Pulis to become manager in case he turned us into Stoke. It's not perfect, but I am confident that he is NOT turning us into Stoke. We were safe with 9 games to go. We played in decent style for 8 or 9 games this year (this has been accepted by several who want him out)and I think he will aim for better style more often than that next season.  If you expect him to ditch defensive discipline and team shape then it's not going to happen and JP would sack him if he did. He is stigmatised by his time at Stoke, the media have him as only capable of one thing....why get hung up by what the media thinks ? He does deserve at least another year for us to see which way it's going to go.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 29, 2016, 06:01:53 AM
I dont expect him to ditch his defensive play
I dont expect him to play with flair
I dont expect him to play players in their natural positions
I dont expect to be entertained
I dont expect anything else but last on match of the day
I dont expect more than one shot and hope its on target
I dont expect the Shrine to be full anymore
I dont expect people to stay the full 90 minutes
I dont expect fans to be singing

I do expect to be bored and 8/9 games less than a quarter out of 38,some of them are halfs of matchs I do expect better in his defence he is the "ANTIFOOTBALLCHRIST".
I can hear him now 37 nil, nils and 1 win gives us 40 points, thats the formula for 2016/2017
My hero Bomber Brown stuttering his words in disbelief of another shocking display and trying hard to bring out a positive when I listen at half time or tune in because I want to hear what he is saying about the match Im watching again!

PULIS OUT  and by the way we are a Stoke but with less pace 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 29, 2016, 07:35:37 AM
Quote from: Adder on May 28, 2016, 11:16:17 PM
I didn't want Pulis to become manager in case he turned us into Stoke. It's not perfect, but I am confident that he is NOT turning us into Stoke. We were safe with 9 games to go. We played in decent style for 8 or 9 games this year (this has been accepted by several who want him out)and I think he will aim for better style more often than that next season.  If you expect him to ditch defensive discipline and team shape then it's not going to happen and JP would sack him if he did. He is stigmatised by his time at Stoke, the media have him as only capable of one thing....why get hung up by what the media thinks ? He does deserve at least another year for us to see which way it's going to go.....
8 or 9 games in a season suggests that for about three quarters of the season we didn't play in a decent style? (Or try to?)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on May 29, 2016, 08:20:24 AM
Quote from: Throstletown on May 29, 2016, 06:01:53 AM
I dont expect him to ditch his defensive play
I dont expect him to play with flair
I dont expect him to play players in their natural positions
I dont expect to be entertained
I dont expect anything else but last on match of the day
I dont expect more than one shot and hope its on target
I dont expect the Shrine to be full anymore
I dont expect people to stay the full 90 minutes
I dont expect fans to be singing



I do expect to be bored and 8/9 games less than a quarter out of 38,some of them are halfs of matchs I do expect better in his defence he is the "ANTIFOOTBALLCHRIST".
I can hear him now 37 nil, nils and 1 win gives us 40 points, thats the formula for 2016/2017
My hero Bomber Brown stuttering his words in disbelief of another shocking display and trying hard to bring out a positive when I listen at half time or tune in because I want to hear what he is saying about the match Im watching again!

PULIS OUT  and by the way we are a Stoke but with less pace

I couldn't agree more. Last season was my last one until Pulis is gone. Any ounce of pleasure from going up the albion has been killed off by Pulis and the stewards. And I've been a regular since 1972.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 29, 2016, 08:22:57 AM
I think 8 or 9 games of decent football is being generous. I only think some of those games would be regarded as decent because the other games have been so utterly devoid of decent football that they shine like beacons in a sea of dross. Equally there are number of games where we are at such a disadvantage over out opponents that the standard Pulis approach of park the bus grind out a draw could be justified but just for clarification that doesn't include Watford home or away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 29, 2016, 10:05:16 AM
My parting shot on this thread.... for now ....

I'm prepared to accept that we played well for 8 or 9 games last season (that's not just compared to dross in some games).
I saw enough to suggest that positive noises Pulis had made about us going forward, may just have some grounding....and that 2 or 3 telling attacking signings (along with 2 or 3 more pragmatic signings) will see us being better to watch within our team framework.
I'm prepared to give Pulis a chance ...it may turn out badly or it might not. I'll judge what I see as I've done so far.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on May 29, 2016, 10:26:49 AM
I was watching the Play-off final yesterday in the pub and got chatting to a vile fan and a Wednesday fan and the subject of Pulis came up, the vile fan said his club would have loved him just to keep them up, the Wednesday fan said if they were in the Prem Pulis would be be the kind of manager they would want if Carlos Carvalhal was not up to the mark. Both said they would wouldn't want him for more than a couple of seasons though.

I have seen worse managers at the Albion than Pulis but saying that does not mean I am happy with the style of play, how I would love go back to the late 60's and late 70's when it was joy to watch our team, but times in between have not been great if fact some seasons have been a bloody darn site worse than the one just gone.

There is one person that thinks Mr Pulis is the right man for the job and that is our chairman Mr Peace.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 29, 2016, 11:54:23 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on May 28, 2016, 09:09:00 PM
Pulis is like Marmite.
You either love him or hate him.
Trouble is when he was at Stoke to a man most Albion fans hated him.
I was in the Halfords and they had just beat us 1-0 after Tamas and Fosters f**k up and everyone was saying I don't know how them clayheads can watch that week in week out.
I think lot of fans have become very hypocritical. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 29, 2016, 12:33:29 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on May 29, 2016, 11:54:23 AM
Trouble is when he was at Stoke to a man most Albion fans hated him.
I was in the Halfords and they had just beat us 1-0 after Tamas and Fosters f**k up and everyone was saying I don't know how them clayheads can watch that week in week out.
I think lot of fans have become very hypocritical.

I said it about the clay heads and I'm now prone to saying it about us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on May 29, 2016, 12:43:38 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on May 29, 2016, 10:26:49 AM
I was watching the Play-off final yesterday in the pub and got chatting to a vile fan and a Wednesday fan and the subject of Pulis came up, the vile fan said his club would have loved him just to keep them up, the Wednesday fan said if they were in the Prem Pulis would be be the kind of manager they would want if Carlos Carvalhal was not up to the mark. Both said they would wouldn't want him for more than a couple of seasons though.

I have seen worse managers at the Albion than Pulis but saying that does not mean I am happy with the style of play, how I would love go back to the late 60's and late 70's when it was joy to watch our team, but times in between have not been great if fact some seasons have been a bloody darn site worse than the one just gone.

There is one person that thinks Mr Pulis is the right man for the job and that is our chairman Mr Peace.

I was all for his appointment. He was definitely the right man for the job at the time but only in the very short term. 6-18 months would have been fine to get us back on track. Time to say thanks and move on for me now. The football is just horrendous to watch. Given more time he'll just recruit even more average plodders and the next man in will have another huge rebuild on their hands. Some people are prepared to watch any old tripe as long as we remain in the Prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on May 29, 2016, 01:55:14 PM
Can't help but feel it will be yet another disappointing pre-season with one or two last minute signings, only for Tony to either walk or be pushed around Christmas time. Can't see him lasting long if the fans are turning.

It's clear that as soon as they got to 40 points they were at the beach which I think is most unprofessional.

Tony has done the job he was brought in to do (twice) but surely this summer would have been the perfect time to move on?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 29, 2016, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on May 29, 2016, 12:43:38 PM
I was all for his appointment. He was definitely the right man for the job at the time but only in the very short term. 6-18 months would have been fine to get us back on track. Time to say thanks and move on for me now. The football is just horrendous to watch. Given more time he'll just recruit even more average plodders and the next man in will have another huge rebuild on their hands. Some people are prepared to watch any old tripe as long as we remain in the Prem.

If you keep repeating a myth it doesn't make it more likely to come true you know.

Several of the Pulis signings are still regulars in the Stoke and Palace starting XI's years after he left. Of the players recently sold on, one has gone on to win the Premier League while another won the Europa League.

If the West Brom recruitment has been so good over the years then how did you turn into a bottom 4 club the moment Lukaku's loan expired?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 29, 2016, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: 17GD on May 29, 2016, 01:55:14 PM
Can't help but feel it will be yet another disappointing pre-season with one or two last minute signings, only for Tony to either walk or be pushed around Christmas time. Can't see him lasting long if the fans are turning.

It's clear that as soon as they got to 40 points they were at the beach which I think is most unprofessional.

Tony has done the job he was brought in to do (twice) but surely this summer would have been the perfect time to move on?

Our players always do that, annoys me but its nothing to do with Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dale on May 31, 2016, 11:45:30 AM
Totally forgot to post this on here! This will stir up your views on Tony Pulis  :P. I had to write a blog as part of a recent application for a Sports Reporter position, so here it is. I am expectiing a lot of backlash  but it's my opinion and like I say in my summary - lets give him at least another summer to show what he can do  :D

https://dalebrookesblog.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 31, 2016, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: Dale on May 31, 2016, 11:45:30 AM
Totally forgot to post this on here! This will stir up your views on Tony Pulis  :P. I had to write a blog as part of a recent application for a Sports Reporter position, so here it is. I am expectiing a lot of backlash  but it's my opinion and like I say in my summary - lets give him at least another summer to show what he can do  :D

https://dalebrookesblog.wordpress.com/
Don't think anyone would argue with any of that. You have, however, overlooked what is to many the most important category and that is style.
In order to achieve all of those things you have listed we have to endure horrific football.
Is it worth it? To some, yes, to others, no. Personally, I would rather risk relegation than put up with another season like the last.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 31, 2016, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on May 31, 2016, 12:40:22 PM
Personally, I would rather risk relegation than put up with another season like the last.

It ultimately doesn't matter what you would rather happen though, only man that matters at the club is Peace and he'll do whatever he feels will give us the best chance of remaining in the Premier League where the big money is without giving a **** about the playing style. Peace won't get rid unless there's a big fall out behind the scenes or he believes his investment is at real risk of falling into the Championship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 31, 2016, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on May 31, 2016, 12:48:06 PM
It ultimately doesn't matter what you would rather happen though, only man that matters at the club is Peace and he'll do whatever he feels will give us the best chance of remaining in the Premier League where the big money is without giving a **** about the playing style. Peace won't get rid unless there's a big fall out behind the scenes or he believes his investment is at real risk of falling into the Championship.

I absolutely detest this line, of course it matters what supporters want - just because Pulis' future lies in Peace's hands doesn't mean we can't have an opinion on it.

Funnily enough, "it doesn't matter what you think" wasn't trotted out very much when we all wanted Irvine out after ten games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on May 31, 2016, 01:17:22 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 31, 2016, 01:02:34 PM
I absolutely detest this line, of course it matters what supporters want - just because Pulis' future lies in Peace's hands doesn't mean we can't have an opinion on it.

Funnily enough, "it doesn't matter what you think" wasn't trotted out very much when we all wanted Irvine out after ten games.

I think the point he is making is that, to the club itself, our opinion and what we want doesnt matter one bit - if Pulis repeats the season we have just had in exactly the same manner and style, I imagine Peace will be delighted and any moans or booing of the style will be ignored!

The only time Peace will step in and act is if he feels our prem status is under threat!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 31, 2016, 01:20:26 PM
Pulis has kept us up two seasons in a row against all odds, I think some of our fans are craving Championship football that must be why they want him out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 31, 2016, 01:33:46 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 31, 2016, 01:20:26 PM
Pulis has kept us up two seasons in a row against all odds, I think some of our fans are craving Championship football that must be why they want him out.
Against all odds? Please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 31, 2016, 01:52:57 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 31, 2016, 01:20:26 PM
Pulis has kept us up two seasons in a row against all odds, I think some of our fans are craving Championship football that must be why they want him out.
Just football will do.
Nobody wants to get relegated, just rather risk it than watch the dross of last season.
And, by the way, just because Pulis has never been relegated, doesn't mean he can't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on May 31, 2016, 01:54:48 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 31, 2016, 01:20:26 PM
Pulis has kept us up two seasons in a row against all odds, I think some of our fans are craving Championship football that must be why they want him out.

I agree he did very well to keep us up last year, but how was keeping us up this season "against all odds"?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 31, 2016, 02:38:58 PM
Pulis spent £35m on a squad that had survived for 6 years previously, what a miracle that he scraped 40 points for us last season. Against the odds ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 31, 2016, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 31, 2016, 01:20:26 PM
Pulis has kept us up two seasons in a row against all odds, I think some of our fans are craving Championship football that must be why they want him out.

'Against all odds' :P

At absolutely no point this season were we in the top 3 most likely to go down teams in terms of the odds.

Just because he hasnt yet managed a team to a relegation, it dosnt mean he's Corberan of keeping teams up.
Tim Sherwood technically hasn't relegated a team yet  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on May 31, 2016, 05:08:08 PM
Has been named along side Chris Brunt as pundits for ITV for the Euros

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/05/31/tony-pulis-and-chris-brunt-named-as-euro-2016-pundits/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 31, 2016, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: gerry m on May 31, 2016, 05:08:08 PM
Has been named along side Chris Brunt as pundits for ITV for the Euros

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/05/31/tony-pulis-and-chris-brunt-named-as-euro-2016-pundits/
burnts with the BBC for the Northen Ireland games. Tony Is with ITV for Wales.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 31, 2016, 06:23:15 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 31, 2016, 01:02:34 PM
I absolutely detest this line, of course it matters what supporters want - just because Pulis' future lies in Peace's hands doesn't mean we can't have an opinion on it.

Funnily enough, "it doesn't matter what you think" wasn't trotted out very much when we all wanted Irvine out after ten games.

Talking about Irvine in particular we head hunted him and many responded by not renewing season tickets before a ball had been kicked let alone after 10 games, Peace didn't give a rubbish that any ticket sales were down it was only poor results that lead to him getting rid and nothing any supporters did.

Until we look like we are in very serious risk of going down like we were under Clarke and Irvine then Peace won't sack him. Unless you want to organise something to try and cause all out civil war among the supporters that will have a negative impact on the performances on the pitch then I stand by my comment that it simply doesn't matter what you think as you wont have any influence over Peace.

Where the hell did I say no one can have an opinion on anything? That is the only reason this site exists.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 31, 2016, 06:28:19 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 31, 2016, 01:20:26 PM
Pulis has kept us up two seasons in a row against all odds, I think some of our fans are craving Championship football that must be why they want him out.

I know our squad hasn't been great for a few seasons after very poor recruitment but come on it wasn't against all odds that we stopped in the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on May 31, 2016, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on May 31, 2016, 05:14:20 PM
burnts with the BBC for the Northen Ireland games. Tony Is with ITV for Wales.

Thought i was going to enjoy a Tony free summer. Alas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 31, 2016, 06:50:32 PM
cannot wait to hear pulis and all his hypocrisy. why pick a bloke who is so anti football to comment on the best teams in Europe. laughing already how he will be saying what teams should do in attack whilst back at home the incoming transfer lists got 5 centre halves and 3 holding midfielders on it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 31, 2016, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 31, 2016, 06:50:32 PM
cannot wait to hear pulis and all his hypocrisy. why pick a bloke who is so anti football to comment on the best teams in Europe. laughing already how he will be saying what teams should do in attack whilst back at home the incoming transfer lists got 5 centre halves and 3 holding midfielders on it.

Maybe they picked a guy who has 24 years of management experience. He is being asked to commentate on Wales who are hardly the Barcelona of international football (Chris Coleman is their manager). Also ITV have previously employed Ian Wright and Andy Townsend so i dont think Pulis is stooping that low :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 31, 2016, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on May 31, 2016, 08:15:59 PM
Maybe they picked a guy who has 24 years of management experience. He is being asked to commentate on Wales who are hardly the Barcelona of international football (Chris Coleman is their manager). Also ITV have previously employed Ian Wright and Andy Townsend so i dont think Pulis is stooping that low :)

and his one and only honour is.
winning the 3rd division
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 31, 2016, 09:10:50 PM
He's a Welsh premier league manager and has more of a media friendly personality than Mark Hughes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 31, 2016, 10:21:07 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 31, 2016, 08:31:33 PM
and his one and only honour is.
winning the 3rd division
You obviously are of the blinkered opinion of keeping clubs of limited means in the Premiership is not worthy.
He also got Stoke promoted and not gone straight back down again. He is a man for a job. You don't need him if the party is going well. But you do if the house is on fire.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 31, 2016, 10:57:35 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 31, 2016, 10:21:07 PM
You obviously are of the blinkered opinion of keeping clubs of limited means in the Premiership is not worthy.
He also got Stoke promoted and not gone straight back down again. He is a man for a job. You don't need him if the party is going well. But you do if the house is on fire.
like I said his only honour is winning the 3rd div. not blinkered its a fact.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on June 01, 2016, 02:05:04 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 31, 2016, 10:57:35 PM
like I said his only honour is winning the 3rd div. not blinkered its a fact.

I guess he's in good company with the Itv panel as Bilic and Hoddle have a promotion with Swindon between them in terms of "honours" :)

Not to mention all that Wrighty, Dixon and Petit have won as a manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 01, 2016, 07:05:09 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on June 01, 2016, 02:05:04 AM
I guess he's in good company with the Itv panel as Bilic and Hoddle have a promotion with Swindon between them in terms of "honours" :)

Not to mention all that Wrighty, Dixon and Petit have won as a manager.

To be fair, TP is the perfect pundit to represent Wales. Done well to be where they are and are not going to get any better realistically. No magnificent history and have the odd bright moment with long periods of darkness.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on June 01, 2016, 09:03:24 AM
Sounds like he's also ideal to commentate on England games!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on June 01, 2016, 09:03:38 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on May 31, 2016, 06:23:15 PM
Talking about Irvine in particular we head hunted him and many responded by not renewing season tickets before a ball had been kicked let alone after 10 games, Peace didn't give a rubbish that any ticket sales were down it was only poor results that lead to him getting rid and nothing any supporters did.

Until we look like we are in very serious risk of going down like we were under Clarke and Irvine then Peace won't sack him. Unless you want to organise something to try and cause all out civil war among the supporters that will have a negative impact on the performances on the pitch then I stand by my comment that it simply doesn't matter what you think as you wont have any influence over Peace.

Where the hell did I say no one can have an opinion on anything? That is the only reason this site exists.
If it doesn't matter what we think, why bother reading or posting on a forum?
We all know Peace is not going to act on what we say on here, but that's not the purpose of the forum is it? It's about sharing opinions with fellow supporters, not the Chairman.
It seems a bit strange to say anyone can have an opinion, then tell some that there's doesn't matter. ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on June 01, 2016, 10:26:19 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on June 01, 2016, 09:03:38 AM
If it doesn't matter what we think, why bother reading or posting on a forum?
We all know Peace is not going to act on what we say on here, but that's not the purpose of the forum is it? It's about sharing opinions with fellow supporters, not the Chairman.
It seems a bit strange to say anyone can have an opinion, then tell some that there's doesn't matter. ???

What you just said has nothing to do with what BH said though....

He is saying it doesnt matter about your opinion as Peace owns the club and wont listen to what our opinions are he will decide himself. BH then also says that if you want to get your opinion out this is why this forum exists but dont expect it to have an influence over JP's decision making
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on June 01, 2016, 12:56:53 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on June 01, 2016, 09:03:38 AM
If it doesn't matter what we think, why bother reading or posting on a forum?
We all know Peace is not going to act on what we say on here, but that's not the purpose of the forum is it? It's about sharing opinions with fellow supporters, not the Chairman.
It seems a bit strange to say anyone can have an opinion, then tell some that there's doesn't matter. ???

BH is clearly saying that our opinions won't influence Peace's decision making. He hasnt said we can't have an opinion!

The fact of the matter is our opinion doesnt matter when it comes to Peace. It might matter to the rest of us, but ultimately Peace doesnt care what we think and neither does Pulis!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on June 01, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on June 01, 2016, 10:26:19 AM
What you just said has nothing to do with what BH said though....

He is saying it doesnt matter about your opinion as Peace owns the club and wont listen to what our opinions are he will decide himself. BH then also says that if you want to get your opinion out this is why this forum exists but dont expect it to have an influence over JP's decision making
I never claimed that my opinion influenced JP though did I, so why the need to tell me it doesn't? Did he presume that I thought this was a hotline to the Boardroom and I could manipulate the powers that be to do my bidding?  ???
Would be fun if it were, though. I might even do something crazy like play a left back at left back. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on June 01, 2016, 01:56:35 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on June 01, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
I never claimed that my opinion influenced JP though did I, so why the need to tell me it doesn't? Did he presume that I thought this was a hotline to the Boardroom and I could manipulate the powers that be to do my bidding?  ???
Would be fun if it were, though. I might even do something crazy like play a left back at left back. ;)


He didn't 'tell' you anything. The post you initially quote is quoting Lloydy.

He's also quite right. None of our opinions matter, in isolation at least. No-one of any importance cares that member X doesn't like Pulis or member Y disagrees. If a large portion of the fanbase (and that's going beyond this forum) hold an opinion that could threaten the club, then maybe it starts to matter.

But we have a forum because other supporters might be interested to know how others think, and whether they agree or not. There should be no expectation our opinions mean anything, but we should still express them all the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on June 01, 2016, 02:49:18 PM
Quote from: MarkW on June 01, 2016, 01:56:35 PM
He didn't 'tell' you anything. The post you initially quote is quoting Lloydy.

He's also quite right. None of our opinions matter, in isolation at least. No-one of any importance cares that member X doesn't like Pulis or member Y disagrees. If a large portion of the fanbase (and that's going beyond this forum) hold an opinion that could threaten the club, then maybe it starts to matter.

But we have a forum because other supporters might be interested to know how others think, and whether they agree or not. There should be no expectation our opinions mean anything, but we should still express them all the same.
That's not correct though mate, BH commented in reply to my post, Lloydy responded later in the conversation.
Doesn't really matter though, I've no issue with it, he is absolutely right, my opinion matters not to JP. The thing is I am not addressing JP, so the fact that my opinion matters not to him, matters not to me.  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on June 02, 2016, 05:46:29 PM
Was thinking today what you should expect from a football club.

I suppose back in the day it was a symbol for the area, a national representative, a source of pride and entertainment after a long weeks work.

Can anyone truly say after left season with Mr Pulis that we hold any of those values?

As a symbol for the area we are known as a club (and by proxy the area, if only subconsciously) as negative, miserly and backward. This in turn gets broadcast, by today's media, not only nationally but globally.

So where does the pride come in?

I think we need to make a distinction between pride and love or sense of duty. We all love the albion, we all feel a sense of duty that goes beyond logic to the Albion and therefore forgive them their foibles and shortcomings. Pride though, in my opinion, is a completely different matter, what pride can be gleaned from the aforementioned negativity. Would be feel the same national pride towards Nelson if he had won but in a way that couldn't be regaled with passion.

Finally, Entertainment, I don't think I need to say much on this subject but it stands to reason that we all watch football, go to the games, watch in on the telly, suffer through terrible streams and travel the country with Albion because we enjoy football. Well you can't enjoy something if it doesn't entertain you in some degree...unless your into a particular brand of saido masichism.

Why is it then when the subject of entertainment it is roundly met with crystal of 'it's a results based business' and 'staying in the premier league is what counts'. Results matter obviously and the premier league is a top division but I would argue for the most part it's the enjoyment of the game and the love of Albion that will keep us all coming back and not gross profit or net margins.

/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on June 03, 2016, 08:54:33 AM
Spot on Jimmy.

Results are best for the club, entertainment for the fans.

If you go to a gig and end up bored off your mind, do you leave saying 'well at least the band earned a decent amount of money and so will continue to play similar size venues for another tour'?

The fact is i've never enjoyed watching us less, or been less bothered about going to watch us when given the chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on June 03, 2016, 09:50:49 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on June 02, 2016, 05:46:29 PM
Was thinking today what you should expect from a football club.

I suppose back in the day it was a symbol for the area, a national representative, a source of pride and entertainment after a long weeks work.

Can anyone truly say after left season with Mr Pulis that we hold any of those values?

As a symbol for the area we are known as a club (and by proxy the area, if only subconsciously) as negative, miserly and backward. This in turn gets broadcast, by today's media, not only nationally but globally.

So where does the pride come in?

I think we need to make a distinction between pride and love or sense of duty. We all love the albion, we all feel a sense of duty that goes beyond logic to the Albion and therefore forgive them their foibles and shortcomings. Pride though, in my opinion, is a completely different matter, what pride can be gleaned from the aforementioned negativity. Would be feel the same national pride towards Nelson if he had won but in a way that couldn't be regaled with passion.

Finally, Entertainment, I don't think I need to say much on this subject but it stands to reason that we all watch football, go to the games, watch in on the telly, suffer through terrible streams and travel the country with Albion because we enjoy football. Well you can't enjoy something if it doesn't entertain you in some degree...unless your into a particular brand of saido masichism.

Why is it then when the subject of entertainment it is roundly met with crystal of 'it's a results based business' and 'staying in the premier league is what counts'. Results matter obviously and the premier league is a top division but I would argue for the most part it's the enjoyment of the game and the love of Albion that will keep us all coming back and not gross profit or net margins.

/

saido masichism - made me laugh embarrassingly loudly - thank you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on June 09, 2016, 10:13:31 PM
Out of interest, I assume the contract talks are still on-going?

Doesn't TP jet off to France tomorrow?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on June 09, 2016, 10:19:52 PM
I'm still clinging to the hope that he hasn't signed a new contract because he hasn't and won't be offered one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 09, 2016, 10:23:47 PM
I assume its something that could be agreed without him actually being all that involved, his representatives will deal with the details of any new deal. Obviously if it were up to me I wouldn't consider offering him anything new until a couple of months into the season depending on the start we make.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on June 09, 2016, 11:24:38 PM
I don't think just because Pulis is going to be spending some time in France over the next few weeks will stop a contract being offered or signed.  I'm still hoping that Southampton come in for him but alas I fear I may be disappointed.

The club doesn't need to do anything with his contract. He still has 12 months to run on the current one. Do we really want to pay him more? Are we frightened of losing him? I think we should be brave tell him he cant have Matty Phillips and watch him flounce out.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on June 09, 2016, 11:27:11 PM
 :'( Their is no way in hell now that TP will not sign a new  contract the time for JP to shake is hand & say thanks & bye have gone.
 >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on June 10, 2016, 09:10:19 AM
Nearly four weeks since our season ended and we are still none the wiser as to Pulis' mid to long term future at the club. With only one year left on his deal it would be nice to get some confirmation from the club at some point one way or the other.

It feels like a very slow start to the summer, with pre season details still to be confirmed as well. Not very encouraging given the importance of this summer for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 10, 2016, 09:44:28 AM
Pulis doesn't want foreign players.
He may have to learn the language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4GXAmB1w6o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on June 10, 2016, 09:47:54 AM
Quote from: Standaman on June 09, 2016, 11:24:38 PM
I don't think just because Pulis is going to be spending some time in France over the next few weeks will stop a contract being offered or signed. I'm still hoping that Southampton come in for him but alas I fear I may be disappointed.

The club doesn't need to do anything with his contract. He still has 12 months to run on the current one. Do we really want to pay him more? Are we frightened of losing him? I think we should be brave tell him he cant have Matty Phillips and watch him flounce out.  ;D

Southampton could have a shortlist of 100 names and I doubt Pulis would be on there. They are far too ambitious for that and play a style completely alien to him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on June 10, 2016, 09:53:08 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/06/10/tony-pulis-ban-divers-for-three-games/

Ban divers for 3 games he says. He seems to have banned Mcmanaman for a lot longer than that.

He must also be delighted that the ball doesn't have to move forward from the kick off any more too!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on June 10, 2016, 10:21:29 AM
I don't see Pulis's lack of a contract beyond the end of the season to be a problem. It is only TP's own comments of "I'll sit down with the Chairman at the end of the season" etc. that make it an issue. Plainly if JP was going to sack him it would have happened already not that was ever a realistic possibility.

There is no need for the club to do anything about his future this summer. I am being constantly told that Pulis is performing miracles with the players he has got here and before that at Stoke and just given better players he would somehow be playing less turgid football. I am truly amazed that clubs that have better players can't see this and beat our door down to secure his services. Shame on you Southampton and Everton appointing fancy Dan foreigners while neglecting the tactical colossus that is Tony Pulis. ::)
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on June 10, 2016, 11:13:34 AM
My hope for the end of the last seasons was,A few days (7 at the most) after the season ended a brief press interview would be called to announce the departure of TP.
My fear was exactly  what is happening now.
I fear another 3/5 seasons of TP style football.
God help us all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 10, 2016, 01:33:48 PM
Why do we need to give that prat another contract anyway, he still has a year left on his current deal, not like anyone bigger than us is going to be interested in him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on June 10, 2016, 04:38:19 PM
Eventually Peace will come to his senses just like Coates did it's just how long will it take that's going to be the frustrating bit,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on June 10, 2016, 04:57:38 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on June 10, 2016, 01:33:48 PM
Why do we need to give that prat another contract anyway, he still has a year left on his current deal, not like anyone bigger than us is going to be interested in him.


Ridiculous comment about the bloke to be honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 10, 2016, 04:59:59 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on June 10, 2016, 04:38:19 PM
Eventually Peace will come to his senses just like Coates did it's just how long will it take that's going to be the frustrating bit,

and we will be in a much better position because of him. I know he is not everyone's cup of tea, but he has done the job he was paid for and was never going anywhere. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on June 10, 2016, 05:23:40 PM
Quote from: Topman on June 10, 2016, 04:57:38 PM

Ridiculous comment about the bloke to be honest.

What's so ridiculous about that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on June 10, 2016, 05:31:11 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on June 10, 2016, 01:33:48 PM
Why do we need to give that prat another contract anyway, he still has a year left on his current deal, not like anyone bigger than us is going to be interested in him.
Well said. Couldn't agree more
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on June 10, 2016, 05:36:35 PM
 Lokks to me as though it was all to do with ST sales, numbers are up so its carry on Tone !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 10, 2016, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on June 10, 2016, 05:36:35 PM
Lokks to me as though it was all to do with ST sales, numbers are up so its carry on Tone !!
are they? They were up at one point compared to that time last year but I believe  after deadline day sales are down again.

Edit: just to point out the totals have been slowly falling for a few years not just now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on June 14, 2016, 09:46:37 AM
Is it just me that thought that watching the republic last night was like watching wba? A bit sort of kick and rush?
I hope tp &jp watched it and were a little embarrassed with that style or lack of it.
Get some quality players in please and change the mentality.
The defence is OK apart from left back get the creative and forward power sorted and we should be alright next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 14, 2016, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: hardtobeat on June 10, 2016, 05:36:35 PM
Lokks to me as though it was all to do with ST sales, numbers are up so its carry on Tone !!

I don't think its anything to do with season ticket sales, in comparison to the TV money coming in what we get from season tickets is tiny. I see it as Peace currently believing Pulis is our best chance of securing the Premier League football the club desperately needs. Our perceived lack of ambition at this club comes from the very top, Peace doesn't give a rubbish as long as we are still a Premier League club at the end of the season leaving him with a chance of eventually selling the club and cashing in.

The first time Peace believes we are in genuine danger of going down and costing him his cash cow then he won't hesitate to make a change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on June 14, 2016, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: liverbaggie on June 14, 2016, 09:46:37 AM
Is it just me that thought that watching the republic last night was like watching wba? A bit sort of kick and rush?
I hope tp &jp watched it and were a little embarrassed with that style or lack of it.
Get some quality players in please and change the mentality.
The defence is OK apart from left back get the creative and forward power sorted and we should be alright next season.

Can't speak for others but I thought the Republic played some good stuff at times.
Yes they became scrappy as Sweden came back into things after the opening goal, but overall they did o.k.
I was however reminded of some of our poorer performances last season during much of the NI game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 14, 2016, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: liverbaggie on June 14, 2016, 09:46:37 AM
Is it just me that thought that watching the republic last night was like watching wba? A bit sort of kick and rush?
I hope tp &jp watched it and were a little embarrassed with that style or lack of it.
Get some quality players in please and change the mentality.
The defence is OK apart from left back get the creative and forward power sorted and we should be alright next season.
no, watching Northern Ireland was like watching us.

Crowding out the box defensively with more defenders on the pitch than perhaps needed and Kyle Lafferty abandoned on his own up top. Surrendered all possession and attacking intent, which gave Poland impetus to attack. Did well to hold on and threatened at a couple of set pieces despite poor delivery with their defenders being the most offensively dangerous but once behind had no idea how to get back into the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on June 14, 2016, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on June 14, 2016, 11:51:48 AM
no, watching Northern Ireland was like watching us.

Crowding out the box defensively with more defenders on the pitch than perhaps needed and Kyle Lafferty abandoned on his own up top. Surrendered all possession and attacking intent, which gave Poland impetus to attack. Did well to hold on and threatened at a couple of set pieces despite poor delivery with their defenders being the most offensively dangerous but once behind had no idea how to get back into the game.

Absolutely spot on. Will signing better players mean Pulis moving away from this approach? I doubt it very much but having a couple of quick wingers will perhaps help get us up the pitch more often.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on June 14, 2016, 05:07:42 PM
When was this golden era when we signed "better players". People are saying better players won't want to play for Pulis but whoever has been manager has struggled. He signed Johny Evans and Rondon which was a good effort for us.
Attracting better players will always be hard no matter who the manager is (with the current ownership)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Political Cake on June 17, 2016, 08:06:10 PM
For those interested, Pulis is commentating for ITV tonight during Spain vs Turkey.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on June 17, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: Political Cake on June 17, 2016, 08:06:10 PM
For those interested, Pulis is commentating for ITV tonight during Spain vs Turkey.

We'll be playing like Spain next season mark my words  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on June 17, 2016, 08:30:22 PM
Made me laugh when the commentator suggested Pulis might like to manage Spain.

God only knows what he'd do to them.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 17, 2016, 08:58:37 PM
Quote from: Atomic on June 17, 2016, 08:30:22 PM
Made me laugh when the commentator suggested Pulis might like to manage Spain.

God only knows what he'd do to them.  ;D
He would keep them up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 17, 2016, 08:59:51 PM
Coming across very well tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on June 17, 2016, 09:08:25 PM
The last person you'd expect to get this gig.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/tony-pulis-commentates-spain-vs-8221147
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on June 17, 2016, 09:40:26 PM
I truly believe that if you defend well enough against Spain you will create chances! Tony Pulis words of wisdom.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 18, 2016, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on June 17, 2016, 08:58:37 PM
He would keep them up.
I really should be able to stop giggling at this but can't  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 18, 2016, 11:04:25 AM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on June 18, 2016, 10:30:44 AM
I really should be able to stop giggling at this but can't  :D

Me too. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2016, 12:16:24 PM
He'd be much better suited to summarising for the Sweden games - they've had no shots on target in their 2 games so far, but have scored a goal and have 1 point....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on June 25, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
Tony Pulis is like Brexit - you either want him to leave or to remain . If  he goes and we do rubbish can we have a second referendum for him to remain.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 25, 2016, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: Adamstv on June 25, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
Tony Pulis is like Brexit - you either want him to leave or to remain . If  he goes and we do rubbish can we have a second referendum for him to remain.
Doubt it as some other club struggling would snap him up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on June 25, 2016, 03:57:33 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on June 25, 2016, 03:55:54 PM
Doubt it as some other club struggling would snap him up.

And there lies the point - we shouldn't be struggling any more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 25, 2016, 04:03:16 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on June 25, 2016, 03:57:33 PM
And there lies the point - we shouldn't be struggling any more.
Well apart from Hodgson we have been.I do take your point though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on June 25, 2016, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on June 25, 2016, 03:57:33 PM
And there lies the point - we shouldn't be struggling any more.
Quite right , all these seasons staying up we shouldn't be struggling anymore but we are due some bad choices from above since Clarke lost his way IMO.
As much as JP has done for us there has been some pretty bad appointments all over the club too , we've been lucky to stay where we are and as such Pulis is/ was a needed evil to straighten things up.
I'd certainly wager no other club established as long as us will be trying to rebuild their squad as much as we do this Summer .......again!.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 25, 2016, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: Adamstv on June 25, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
Tony Pulis is like Brexit - you either want him to leave or to remain . If  he goes and we do rubbish can we have a second referendum for him to remain.

Feck I hope it doesn't take another two years to get rid of him......  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 25, 2016, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: Dexy on June 25, 2016, 04:08:05 PM
Quite right , all these seasons staying up we shouldn't be struggling anymore but we are due some bad choices from above since Clarke lost his way IMO.
As much as JP has done for us there has been some pretty bad appointments all over the club too , we've been lucky to stay where we are and as such Pulis is/ was a needed evil to straighten things up.
I'd certainly wager no other club established as long as us will be trying to rebuild their squad as much as we do this Summer .......again!.

Buying well is half the problem, getting Mr. Short Arms, Deep Pockets to actually SPEND well is the other...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on June 25, 2016, 04:28:20 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on June 25, 2016, 04:10:02 PM
Buying well is half the problem, getting Mr. Short Arms, Deep Pockets to actually SPEND well is the other...
Not really true , we pay decent money and i believe we have wasted a lot in recent years for one reason or another.
Look at Anelka , Sinclair ( wages /loan fee) , Anichebe , Rosenberg , Popov x 2 , McManaman , Lambert, Chester , Lugano , El Ghansey ( sp) . That list is quickly off my memory , theres bound to be more but my point is we have spent money when needed on wages/ fees and from the above we got very little in return. JP will spend the money on the right player( Foster , Rondon, Evans , Fletcher...) but our problem has been who has been signing them and why , hopefully Hammond will get us signing the right players again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on June 30, 2016, 08:30:47 PM
Tony Pulis for the England job!  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on July 04, 2016, 10:11:32 AM
Would it not be great for England, the choice the man would have choosing 11 centre arves and then players them all out of position bar 2.
Pulis for England!!!
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on July 04, 2016, 10:20:04 AM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on June 25, 2016, 04:10:02 PM
Buying well is half the problem, getting Mr. Short Arms, Deep Pockets to actually SPEND well is the other...

You are half right. Buying well is half the problem - playing them in their prper positions and setting up the team to try and win is the other half!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on July 04, 2016, 11:05:00 AM
Quote from: Throstletown on July 04, 2016, 10:11:32 AM
Would it not be great for England, the choice the man would have choosing 11 centre arves and then players them all out of position bar 2.
Pulis for England!!!
 
Can you imagine?
I reckon something like this:

Foster
Phil Jones
Cahill
Terry
Smalling
Wilshire
Dier
Noble
Cattermole
Rooney
Carroll


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 04, 2016, 11:19:20 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on July 04, 2016, 11:05:00 AM
Can you imagine?
I reckon something like this:

Foster
Phil Jones
Cahill
Terry
Smalling
Wilshire
Dier
Noble
Cattermole
Rooney
Carroll


That team would still be in the competition :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on July 04, 2016, 11:52:00 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 04, 2016, 11:19:20 AM

That team would still be in the competition :)
Even with Gardner coming on after 70 mins every game?  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on July 06, 2016, 12:53:45 AM
While rubbish to watch we would have beaten iceland 1-0 under Pulis :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 06, 2016, 11:18:27 PM
I wished TP was still commentating tonight ....Mark Bowen talked too much and was tedious. Golden rule should be that the main commentator says more than the 'expert sidekick'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on July 15, 2016, 11:10:12 AM
Looks like Tones after some backing ???


http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/07/15/tony-pulis-wants-more-funds-at-west-brom/

I bet JP's not going to cough up a war chest anytime soon
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 15, 2016, 11:14:30 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on July 15, 2016, 11:10:12 AM
Looks like Tones after some backing ???


http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/07/15/tony-pulis-wants-more-funds-at-west-brom/

I bet JP's not going to cough up a war chest anytime soon


i wouldnt trust him with buttons
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on July 15, 2016, 11:17:01 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on July 15, 2016, 11:10:12 AM
Looks like Tones after some backing ???


http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/07/15/tony-pulis-wants-more-funds-at-west-brom/

I bet JP's not going to cough up a war chest anytime soon

Great chairman, we'll be alright.  ;)

Any sign of Ho Chi Minh?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 15, 2016, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: divinewind on July 15, 2016, 11:17:01 AM
Great chairman, we'll be alright.  ;)

Any sign of Ho Chi Minh?
No Ho Chi Minh Been Seen So Far! :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on July 15, 2016, 01:14:41 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on July 15, 2016, 11:10:12 AM
Looks like Tones after some backing ???


http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/07/15/tony-pulis-wants-more-funds-at-west-brom/

I bet JP's not going to cough up a war chest anytime soon

This is where he spits his dummy out and disappears the day before the season starts. We can but hope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on July 15, 2016, 01:16:08 PM
Quote from: BB74 on July 15, 2016, 01:14:41 PM
This is where he spits his dummy out and disappears the day before the season starts. We can but hope.

Has Roy been seen in Macdonalds yet?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 15, 2016, 01:38:25 PM
what about spending some of your millions Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on July 15, 2016, 03:09:11 PM
Quote from: BB74 on July 15, 2016, 01:14:41 PM
This is where he spits his dummy out and disappears the day before the season starts. We can but hope.

if that happens even more chance of us being relegated.

this is season is going to be dull. JP hasn't renewed TP's contract. So I reckon in 12 months we will have new owners and a new manager. i've almost written this season off before it starts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 15, 2016, 03:26:02 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 15, 2016, 01:38:25 PM
what about spending some of your millions Tone

Palace had them back off him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 15, 2016, 05:26:56 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on July 15, 2016, 03:26:02 PM
Palace had them back off him.
Which is why he's unlikely to walk out on this job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 15, 2016, 05:39:20 PM
All well and good, except he never states he wants more money, the headline coupled with the line 'There are growing murmurs among supporters that Albion are being left behind in the transfer market.' tells me this is nothing more than a popularist clickbait article.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 15, 2016, 10:53:01 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 15, 2016, 05:39:20 PM
All well and good, except he never states he wants more money, the headline coupled with the line 'There are growing murmurs among supporters that Albion are being left behind in the transfer market.' tells me this is nothing more than a popularist clickbait article.
The rather cryptic quote from Pulis in the article, which you seem to have missed, was "The biggest thing is trying to improve the football club and stabilise what we’re trying to achieve. To do that you have to get the finances and backing to improve. That’s what we’ll be trying to do".

Get the finances and backing to improve.....?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on July 16, 2016, 08:45:20 AM
Without a contract extension there is a question mark over Pulis' future and that question mark will grow progressively larger as his contract runs down.   

I am not sure if he ready to flounce out like he did at Palace take his chances and wait for the call from a distressed club around Christmas. Where it would be a "massive job bigger than anything I've achieved etc..." I suspect not purely on the grounds that the call might not come so why pass up £2m for staying at the Hawthorns?

Much as dislike his football I hope he doesn't storm out now simply because of the disarray it might cause to the team this season. I hope however there is an amicable parting of the ways at the end of next season.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on July 16, 2016, 09:45:12 AM
The thing is, Pulis needs his £2 million salary with us as he owes Palace about £2 million now due to the court case (plus legal fees it may be even more).

He was doing the usual "I need more money for better players" routine before he lost the case, then he quickly changed his tune to "This is a great club" etc. So I think he knows it would be foolish to leave now from his own financial point of view.

What I would say though is if there's a takeover going on then I can see his frustrations. He may well have targets being delayed due to this which isn't ideal if you're the manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on July 16, 2016, 09:48:20 AM
The thing I like about pulls is that I feel he has got his finger on the button in terms of being ' the boss ' the players know their jobs and they know where they stand with him .
That said I think he will be gone by October . There will barely be an improvement in the playing style and I just think the negativity from the supporters will be worse than ever .

What our supporters need is something to believe in again . A lot of people are bored .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on July 16, 2016, 10:56:00 AM
Quote from: Mo on July 16, 2016, 09:48:20 AM
The thing I like about pulls is that I feel he has got his finger on the button in terms of being ' the boss ' the players know their jobs and they know where they stand with him .
That said I think he will be gone by October . There will barely be an improvement in the playing style and I just think the negativity from the supporters will be worse than ever .

What our supporters need is something to believe in again . A lot of people are bored.

This.

I'm prepared to give Pulis the transfer window and a couple of months but I need to see something improve.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on July 16, 2016, 11:08:21 AM
Bored? A lot of us have lost the will to live.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on July 16, 2016, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: divinewind on July 16, 2016, 11:08:21 AM
Bored? A lot of us have lost the will to live.  ;)

Good job you don't go to games any more then, wouldn't want the Baggies to be the end of ya  8) ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on July 16, 2016, 03:14:20 PM
Can't afford it any more. Football isn't for the likes of me anymore apparently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieVN on July 17, 2016, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Mo on July 16, 2016, 09:48:20 AM
What our supporters need is something to believe in again . A lot of people are bored .

Agree. After living abroad for almost 20 years and timing my flights back to home to coincide with home matches, I finally moved back to the UK earlier this year.

The football was so bad in the second half of last season that I didn't go once.

Whether it's Pulis or someone else who's our head coach, we need to have good football. Yes, West Brom is our religion, but we also need to be entertained.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on July 18, 2016, 09:01:55 PM
who said pulis only signed 6ft defenders?
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/840439880?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on July 20, 2016, 08:54:31 PM
heres the latest from the mail about Pulis.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/840808982?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 20, 2016, 10:42:03 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on July 20, 2016, 08:54:31 PM
heres the latest from the mail about Pulis.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/840808982?-11200:789:0
Those quotes from Pulis were reported in the media a couple of weeks ago, so I don't know where the Mail has been. It's typical of the media to use "locked in contract talks" in a headline which is then followed by an article which states that there have been no talks!

I haven't bought a newspaper for years and see something every day that makes me so pleased that I don't waste my money on them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on July 20, 2016, 11:33:22 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on July 20, 2016, 10:42:03 PM
Those quotes from Pulis were reported in the media a couple of weeks ago, so I don't know where the Mail has been. It's typical of the media to use "locked in contract talks" in a headline which is then followed by an article which states that there have been no talks!

I haven't bought a newspaper for years and see something every day that makes me so pleased that I don't waste my money on them.

Sums up the Birmingham Mail's WBA coverage these days, sadly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 21, 2016, 02:19:34 PM
http://readwestbrom.com/2016/07/20/pulisout-inevitable-cant-happen-soon-enough/? (http://readwestbrom.com/2016/07/20/pulisout-inevitable-cant-happen-soon-enough/?)

An excellent, excellent piece!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mooncat on July 21, 2016, 03:06:26 PM
Quote
Sums up the Birmingham Mail's WBA coverage these days, sadly.

Although some of that may not be their fault - we all know that the club hasn't been overly forthcoming with news, stories etc in recent years. And if there are sale negotiations ongoing, they're probably more than happy to keep up the media blackout and only let stuff out when it's demanded by circumstance - players in/out etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on July 21, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 21, 2016, 02:19:34 PM
http://readwestbrom.com/2016/07/20/pulisout-inevitable-cant-happen-soon-enough/? (http://readwestbrom.com/2016/07/20/pulisout-inevitable-cant-happen-soon-enough/?)

An excellent, excellent piece!

Agree 100%
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 21, 2016, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 21, 2016, 02:19:34 PM
http://readwestbrom.com/2016/07/20/pulisout-inevitable-cant-happen-soon-enough/? (http://readwestbrom.com/2016/07/20/pulisout-inevitable-cant-happen-soon-enough/?)

An excellent, excellent piece!
Of course it forgets to mention that we played well and perfectly decent football in about a third of the games.
Also that we didn't play 4-4-2 in quite a few games.
Long term appointments ? hmmm how many clubs do those these days ??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 21, 2016, 05:47:53 PM
Quote from: Adder on July 21, 2016, 04:49:57 PM
Of course it forgets to mention that we played well and perfectly decent football in about a third of the games.
You reckon we played perfectly decent football in about 13 league games? If this was the quiz show "Who Dares Wins", I'd be asking you to name them! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 21, 2016, 06:18:56 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on July 21, 2016, 05:47:53 PM
You reckon we played perfectly decent football in about 13 league games? If this was the quiz show "Who Dares Wins", I'd be asking you to name them! ;D
I could but I've done it before, the same argument gets boring. My main point is that a lot of supporters AND media are so fixed in the idea that Pulis = Boring that they are loath to admit to better performances (I'll admit there are also many tedious performances).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on July 21, 2016, 06:26:50 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on July 21, 2016, 05:47:53 PM
You reckon we played perfectly decent football in about 13 league games? If this was the quiz show "Who Dares Wins", I'd be asking you to name them! ;D

I'd stretch to about 6 games. The rest was utter tripe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on July 26, 2016, 06:19:43 PM
Most of you won't appreciate Pulis until he's gone and then we appointed some dummy who relegates us, maybe you'll then realise that TP is doing mission impossible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bigrob80 on July 26, 2016, 07:12:16 PM
I think I'm with you Legend!
As we stand at the moment and season previous I think he has done a good job of keeping us up!
It definitely beats being in the championship!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 26, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
Quote from: Legend on July 26, 2016, 06:19:43 PM
Most of you won't appreciate Pulis until he's gone and then we appointed some dummy who relegates us, maybe you'll then realise that TP is doing mission impossible.
in what way?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 26, 2016, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on July 26, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
in what way?

Assembling a squad of centre halves  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on July 26, 2016, 07:31:42 PM
Quote from: Legend on July 26, 2016, 06:19:43 PM
Most of you won't appreciate Pulis until he's gone and then we appointed some dummy who relegates us, maybe you'll then realise that TP is doing mission impossible.

Reluctantly I am with you  Legend....... still enjoying our status in the Premiership with a vain hope that we will actually crack 50 points this year and get somewhere........

Although I will concede that the football is awful at times!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on July 26, 2016, 07:44:33 PM
If we were a boxer our licence would be withdrawn.

6 out of 38 and I think thats pushing it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on July 26, 2016, 08:10:05 PM
Quote from: Legend on July 26, 2016, 06:19:43 PM
Most of you won't appreciate Pulis until he's gone and then we appointed some dummy who relegates us, maybe you'll then realise that TP is doing mission impossible.

I remember people saying we'd never get a better keeper than Carson. If and when we are taken over there is no reason why we can't attract a much higher profile manager who can attract good players and get us playing some decent stuff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on July 26, 2016, 08:16:50 PM
Quote from: Legend on July 26, 2016, 06:19:43 PM
Most of you won't appreciate Pulis until he's gone and then we appointed some dummy who relegates us, maybe you'll then realise that TP is doing mission impossible.

Will have to respectfully disagree. Pulis is the dummy. We are barely scraping by as it is and you can't honestly believe we have less talented players then for example-bournemouth, Watford, etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 26, 2016, 08:48:04 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on July 26, 2016, 08:10:05 PM
I remember people saying we'd never get a better keeper than Carson. If and when we are taken over there is no reason why we can't attract a much higher profile manager who can attract good players and get us playing some decent stuff.

But with this squad and hierarchy, and I'm amazed I'm going to say this, Legend is right.

Quote from: Jimmy on July 26, 2016, 08:16:50 PM
Will have to respectfully disagree. Pulis is the dummy. We are barely scraping by as it is and you can't honestly believe we have less talented players then for example-bournemouth, Watford, etc.


Someone said this last season, and we clearly do, our players, aside from Brunt, Morrison, Evans and Berahino... Maybe Rondon are uncomfortable in possession.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on July 26, 2016, 08:49:52 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on July 26, 2016, 08:10:05 PM
I remember people saying we'd never get a better keeper than Carson.

Really  :o ?

Kn 'ell  :o .

Long before my time on the site  :) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on July 26, 2016, 08:55:33 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 26, 2016, 08:48:04 PM
But with this squad and hierarchy, and I'm amazed I'm going to say this, Legend is right.

Someone said this last season, and we clearly do, our players, aside from Brunt, Morrison, Evans and Berahino... Maybe Rondon are uncomfortable in possession.
so if we only 5 players who are comfortable in possession shouldn't the other 20 odd professional at the club be coached not to be scared of the round thing that earns them thousands of £s a week. just imagine a baker who's scared of an oven or a brickie scared of a trowel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on July 26, 2016, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 26, 2016, 08:48:04 PM
But with this squad and hierarchy, and I'm amazed I'm going to say this, Legend is right.

Someone said this last season, and we clearly do, our players, aside from Brunt, Morrison, Evans and Berahino... Maybe Rondon are uncomfortable in possession.

I know he has his hands tied to a degree but he doesn't really help himself really. Poor signings, playing players out of position and a dreadful style of play. He's made no effort to bring in any 'footballers'. Why would any decent attacking players want to come here and play for him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 26, 2016, 09:27:26 PM
Johnny Evans & Darren Fletcher aren't footballers then? Jon Leko's not, Claudio Yacob's not then?. We can't wait to get the best footballer we've got out of the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 26, 2016, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on July 26, 2016, 09:27:26 PM
Johnny Evans & Darren Fletcher aren't footballers then? Jon Leko's not, Claudio Yacob's not then?. We can't wait to get the best footballer we've got out of the club.

Believe Evans was in my list, Fletcher gives the ball away a frightening amount, Claudio gives 5 yard passes, Leko is a kid.

You've got a hard on for Saido clearly, but we are definitely not trying to get Brunty out of the club  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on July 27, 2016, 09:08:46 AM
I'm looking forward to this season to see how Pulis does.  I think we'll start shakey and build from there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 27, 2016, 09:37:32 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on July 27, 2016, 09:08:46 AM
I'm looking forward to this season to see how Pulis does.  I think we'll start shakey and build from there.
What position will he start this bloke ..Shakey?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 27, 2016, 09:45:29 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on July 27, 2016, 09:08:46 AM
I'm looking forward to this season to see how Pulis does.  I think we'll start shakey and build from there.


start shakey, its uphill if we do.Quite an easy start on paper. hopefully its his last season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 27, 2016, 10:20:05 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 27, 2016, 09:45:29 AM

start shakey, its uphill if we do.Quite an easy start on paper. hopefully its his last season
Are you still referring to this bloke Shakey?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on July 27, 2016, 11:14:03 AM
Craig Shakey, oh for the good old days !   8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 27, 2016, 12:49:52 PM
is he discussing a new contract ext
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 27, 2016, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 26, 2016, 09:45:34 PM
Believe Evans was in my list, Fletcher gives the ball away a frightening amount, Claudio gives 5 yard passes, Leko is a kid.

You've got a hard on for Saido clearly, but we are definitely not trying to get Brunty out of the club  ;)

TBH Jacko, like you, I think Brunty's contribution is very undervalued by a lot of fans. I think he was badly missed,last season following his injury.

At my age I'm not even sure I could get a hard on for Pippa Middleton, so Saido's got no chance
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on July 27, 2016, 01:15:15 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on July 27, 2016, 01:07:04 PM
TBH Jacko, like you, I think Brunty's contribution is very undervalued by a lot of fans. I think he was badly missed,last season following his injury.

At my age I'm not even sure I could get a hard on for Pippa Middleton, so Saido's got no chance

We missed his delivery and quality on the ball but he looked totally out of his depth at full back at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on July 27, 2016, 01:19:42 PM
As much as Brunt is not a LB I much preferred him being there than Evans. We did miss his delivery into the box from open play and set pieces.

However we still desperately need a proper left back! I hate it when our best centre back for years is played out of position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Westie on July 27, 2016, 02:32:11 PM
Tony Pulis's objective for the coming season will be the same as last season, keep WBA in the Premier League on minimum spend. Our opinions matter not one jot to Mr Peace as long as he gets richer!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 27, 2016, 02:41:15 PM
Quote from: Westie on July 27, 2016, 02:32:11 PM
Tony Pulis's objective for the coming season will be the same as last season, keep WBA in the Premier League on minimum spend. Our opinions matter not one jot to Mr Peace as long as he gets richer!

If there is no sale of the club, sadly TP is the best guy in charge to maintain our Premier League status. The club desperately needs new owners and we will need TP as long as Peace continues to seek a buyer willing to pay a bit over and beyond the clubs worth it seems. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on July 28, 2016, 01:49:32 PM
Quote from: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 27, 2016, 02:41:15 PM
If there is no sale of the club, sadly TP is the best guy in charge to maintain our Premier League status. The club desperately needs new owners and we will need TP as long as Peace continues to seek a buyer willing to pay a bit over and beyond the clubs worth it seems.

i think most fans would like TP to go. Even if there is a risk of relegation with a new manager.

JP, however, is not a fan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on July 28, 2016, 01:55:35 PM
 â€œtiki-taka! It's completely made up! Don't believe a word of it! In all team sports, the secret is to overload one side of the pitch so that the opponent must tilt its own defence to cope. You overload on one side and draw them in so that they leave the other side weak.
"And when we've done all that, we attack and score from the other side. That's why you have to pass the ball, but only if you're doing it with a clear intention. It's only to overload the opponent, to draw them in and then to hit them with the sucker punch. That's what our game needs to be. Nothing to do with tiki-taka."

Which manager do you think said this?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on July 28, 2016, 02:02:59 PM
Quote from: bry on July 28, 2016, 01:55:35 PM
“tiki-taka! It's completely made up! Don't believe a word of it! In all team sports, the secret is to overload one side of the pitch so that the opponent must tilt its own defence to cope. You overload on one side and draw them in so that they leave the other side weak.
"And when we've done all that, we attack and score from the other side. That's why you have to pass the ball, but only if you're doing it with a clear intention. It's only to overload the opponent, to draw them in and then to hit them with the sucker punch. That's what our game needs to be. Nothing to do with tiki-taka."

Which manager do you think said this?

It ain't TP, he couldn't say attack, yet alone describe a strategy for it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on July 28, 2016, 02:04:29 PM
No Not Sam Allardyce, nor Tony Pulis.........Pep Guardiola
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on July 28, 2016, 02:37:56 PM
Peps teams are about pressing high up the pitch and moving the ball quickly more than possession for possession's sake.

Leicester , Atletico Madrdid or Klopp's Dortmund are good examples of a more direct but still pressing games and counter attacking quickly.

When Pulis past teams have been at their best e.g. Palace, it was when they were more like the second group , strong compact defending but then breaking, counter attacking with pace .

Whilst Pulis is here I'd like him to aim for this style of attacking because it could work well for us. The problem is , to rely on this style more than the current sit deep and feed off set pieces in the main, he'd need at least  4 , maybe 5 more first team starters by my reckoning (left mid, no.10, box to box centre mid and another big striker to ease the burden on Rondon).

If we reach the end of August with a similar set up ( big team with little pace) and little progression towards a squad which can burst forward at pace from deep positions , I can't see much entertainment coming our way this year?

You'd hope Hammond could push the signings in he right direction to help Pulis because if Pulis has more pace in the team he'd hopefully use it , wouldn't he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on July 28, 2016, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: bry on July 28, 2016, 01:55:35 PM
“tiki-taka! It's completely made up! Don't believe a word of it! In all team sports, the secret is to overload one side of the pitch so that the opponent must tilt its own defence to cope. You overload on one side and draw them in so that they leave the other side weak.
"And when we've done all that, we attack and score from the other side. That's why you have to pass the ball, but only if you're doing it with a clear intention. It's only to overload the opponent, to draw them in and then to hit them with the sucker punch. That's what our game needs to be. Nothing to do with tiki-taka."

Which manager do you think said this?

And what do you need to be able to capitalise on the other side being weak? FULL BACKS AND WINGERS, TONY.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 28, 2016, 02:55:17 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on July 28, 2016, 02:42:24 PM
And what do you need to be able to capitalise on the other side being weak? FULL BACKS AND WINGERS, TONY.
Well Phillips is signed and offers in for Schlupp.......should be noted that Schlupp is hardly the  stereotypical Pulis defender.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on July 28, 2016, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: Adder on July 28, 2016, 02:55:17 PM
Well Phillips is signed and offers in for Schlupp.......should be noted that Schlupp is hardly the  stereotypical Pulis defender.

I am pleased with Phillips who I think is an improvement on Sessegnon, I find the Schlupp interest very encouraging, although he will effectively be a full back playing on the wing for us in my opinion, a Pulis wet dream.

I don't think he will change the full back positions though, I will be surprised if our first choice back four isn't Dawson McAuley Evans Brunt this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on July 28, 2016, 03:07:36 PM
Guardiola also said the Man City players need more fitness work. The dinosaur...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on July 28, 2016, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: darbolina on July 28, 2016, 02:37:56 PM
Peps teams are about pressing high up the pitch and moving the ball quickly more than possession for possession's sake.

Leicester , Atletico Madrdid or Klopp's Dortmund are good examples of a more direct but still pressing games and counter attacking quickly.

When Pulis past teams have been at their best e.g. Palace, it was when they were more like the second group , strong compact defending but then breaking, counter attacking with pace .

Whilst Pulis is here I'd like him to aim for this style of attacking because it could work well for us. The problem is , to rely on this style more than the current sit deep and feed off set pieces in the main, he'd need at least  4 , maybe 5 more first team starters by my reckoning (left mid, no.10, box to box centre mid and another big striker to ease the burden on Rondon).

If we reach the end of August with a similar set up ( big team with little pace) and little progression towards a squad which can burst forward at pace from deep positions , I can't see much entertainment coming our way this year?

You'd hope Hammond could push the signings in he right direction to help Pulis because if Pulis has more pace in the team he'd hopefully use it , wouldn't he?
The trouble is, we don't have a great defence or defend particularly well, we just defend in numbers. How many of McCauley, Dawson, Brunt, Chester or Ollson would be courted by top half clubs (Evans is the exception)? This has always been Pulis' M.O. We have had plenty of pace in the side with the likes of Sess, Saido and even MacManaman, but when their priority is supporting the defence, their strengths are negated.
We have signed Phillips, but straight away he becomes more of an auxiliary fullback than a winger. Has he put a single cross in during pre-season?
Leko has already been warned that he needs to improve "certain parts" of his game. We all know what that means.
Pulis won't change, why would he, his system works, in the sense that, over the course of a season, it will probably generate enough points to stay up. Anyone expecting pacey, counter-attacking football with him in charge will, IMO, be sadly disappointed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on July 28, 2016, 03:16:32 PM
At Palace did Pulis inherit Bolasie & Zaha? I think he did, (but can't swear to it)
If so, he was indeed very fortunate
If he purchased them, there is hope....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on July 28, 2016, 03:49:57 PM
He inherited Bolasie and Puncheon. Zaha was still at Man United and loaned to Cardiff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on July 28, 2016, 04:44:12 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on July 28, 2016, 03:49:57 PM
He inherited Bolasie and Puncheon. Zaha was still at Man United and loaned to Cardiff.

So some hope then, tenuous as it may be !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 28, 2016, 10:12:49 PM
Of course whatever Pulis does it's viewed negatively.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on July 28, 2016, 10:27:33 PM
Quote from: Adder on July 28, 2016, 10:12:49 PM
Of course whatever Pulis does it's viewed negatively.

There's a reason for that...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 28, 2016, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: darbolina on July 28, 2016, 02:37:56 PM

You'd hope Hammond could push the signings in he right direction to help Pulis because if Pulis has more pace in the team he'd hopefully use it , wouldn't he?

We've had some interesting debates you & I over the past few weeks, so I have great respect for your opinions. I've pulled this sentence from your post because I'd like your opinion on what you think Nick Hammond as Director of Football does, & where he sits in relation to Tony Pulis as Head Coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 28, 2016, 10:50:45 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on July 28, 2016, 10:27:33 PM
There's a reason for that...
Pulis has said many times that we need players who can get us up the pitch. He's making efforts at signing a couple....how about keeping open minds and seeing how it goes ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on July 29, 2016, 09:04:18 AM
Quote from: Adder on July 28, 2016, 10:50:45 PM
Pulis has said many times that we need players who can get us up the pitch. He's making efforts at signing a couple....how about keeping open minds and seeing how it goes ?

He said the same last season, it's utter nonsense. Do you believe everything he and other managers say in the press?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 29, 2016, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on July 29, 2016, 09:04:18 AM
He said the same last season, it's utter nonsense. Do you believe everything he and other managers say in the press?
Why is it utter nonsense ? Isn't the signing of Phillips and the bids for Schlupp proof that he's looking for those types of players ?
Pulis will have seen how effective having the likes of Bolasie can be when he was at Palace.
Everybody and their dogs know we've lacked pace and dynamism for a number of years. Pulis is trying to do something about it ....but still this is viewed negatively.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on July 29, 2016, 09:15:55 AM
Quote from: Adder on July 28, 2016, 10:12:49 PM
Of course whatever Pulis does it's viewed negatively.
That's not true though is it?
I don't like the way Pulis plays, but openly recognise that his methods get the required results. That is a negative and a positive and I think most of his detractors feel the same, so, no, not everything he does is viewed negatively.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on July 29, 2016, 09:20:39 AM
Quote from: Adder on July 29, 2016, 09:13:28 AM
Why is it utter nonsense ? Isn't the signing of Phillips and the bids for Schlupp proof that he's looking for those types of players ?
Pulis will have seen how effective having the likes of Bolasie can be when he was at Palace.
Everybody and their dogs know we've lacked pace and dynamism for a number of years. Pulis is trying to do something about it ....but still this is viewed negatively.

Time will tell if our approach changes this season. I hope to god I am proved wrong because I cannot tolerate another turgid season like last time, but I know what my money is on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 29, 2016, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on July 29, 2016, 09:15:55 AM
That's not true though is it?
I don't like the way Pulis plays, but openly recognise that his methods get the required results. That is a negative and a positive and I think most of his detractors feel the same, so, no, not everything he does is viewed negatively.
I was responding to the half dozen or so comments above mine. e.g. he gives Leko his chance but the indication on here is that Pulis will ruin him by making him work hard and track back...well there ain't many players in the modern game who don't have to learn these things to improve as a player overall.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 29, 2016, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on July 29, 2016, 09:20:39 AM
Time will tell if our approach changes this season. I hope to god I am proved wrong because I cannot tolerate another turgid season like last time, but I know what my money is on.
I hope the balance shifts further towards the front foot approach (which we did see in some games last year). But don't expect us to be totally rid of organisation and doggedness. We maybe should remind ourselves also that....We had turgid games under Hodgson....We had turgid games under Clarke.....We had turgid games under Irvine....it wasn't endless entertainment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on July 29, 2016, 09:44:06 AM
Quote from: Adder on July 29, 2016, 09:32:37 AM
I hope the balance shifts further towards the front foot approach (which we did see in some games last year). But don't expect us to be totally rid of organisation and doggedness. We maybe should remind ourselves also that....We had turgid games under Hodgson....We had turgid games under Clarke.....We had turgid games under Irvine....it wasn't endless entertainment.

We all have our own views on previous managers, I would say despite having good and bad days under all of them, overall I felt much more entertained and generally pleased with our style of play under Hodgson and Clarke than I do under Pulis.

There is literally no point debating this, I am sticking to my guns until I'm proved wrong and so will you - ultimately the proof is in the pudding and we shall see where we are in September and October.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on July 29, 2016, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: Adder on July 29, 2016, 09:25:38 AM
I was responding to the half dozen or so comments above mine. e.g. he gives Leko his chance but the indication on here is that Pulis will ruin him by making him work hard and track back...well there ain't many players in the modern game who don't have to learn these things to improve as a player overall.
There's a difference between learning them and having to do them as a priority though and that is what I fear. Phillips has come in and many are lauding him as a pacey winger, however, in the few games he's played, so far, he has spent most of his time within touching distance of Dawson. Leko the same, looks a good outlet, but looks less comfortable when having to defend.
Of course there has to be a balance, but is the RM an extra RB, who gets forward when he can, or a RW who backtracks when necessary? What's the priority? If it's the former then our opportunities will still be limited, regardless of personnel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on July 29, 2016, 10:09:43 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on July 29, 2016, 09:44:37 AM
There's a difference between learning them and having to do them as a priority though and that is what I fear. Phillips has come in and many are lauding him as a pacey winger, however, in the few games he's played, so far, he has spent most of his time within touching distance of Dawson. Leko the same, looks a good outlet, but looks less comfortable when having to defend.
Of course there has to be a balance, but is the RM an extra RB, who gets forward when he can, or a RW who backtracks when necessary? What's the priority? If it's the former then our opportunities will still be limited, regardless of personnel.

Until we sign some good quality full backs then our wide men will always spend more time covering them than attacking the opposition.

Pulis had an almost open cheque book at Stoke and yet they never achieved a top half finish whilst still playing turgid football. Why do people expect any different here especially on a limited budget?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on July 29, 2016, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on July 29, 2016, 10:09:43 AM
Until we sign some good quality full backs then our wide men will always spend more time covering them than attacking the opposition.

Pulis had an almost open cheque book at Stoke and yet they never achieved a top half finish whilst still playing turgid football. Why do people expect any different here especially on a limited budget?

I can answer that

because we'm saft, ay it !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 29, 2016, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on July 29, 2016, 09:44:37 AM
There's a difference between learning them and having to do them as a priority though and that is what I fear. Phillips has come in and many are lauding him as a pacey winger, however, in the few games he's played, so far, he has spent most of his time within touching distance of Dawson. Leko the same, looks a good outlet, but looks less comfortable when having to defend.
Of course there has to be a balance, but is the RM an extra RB, who gets forward when he can, or a RW who backtracks when necessary? What's the priority? If it's the former then our opportunities will still be limited, regardless of personnel.
Well with the counter attacking style I assume we are working towards and as used by Leicester last year, you have a lot of men behind the ball keeping the shape (including the widemen) then when you break you do it at pace.....which is where Phillips and Leko's speed should come into it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on July 29, 2016, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: Adder on July 29, 2016, 11:30:17 AM
Well with the counter attacking style I assume we are working towards and as used by Leicester last year, you have a lot of men behind the ball keeping the shape (including the widemen) then when you break you do it at pace.....which is where Phillips and Leko's speed should come into it.

You also need quality in the centre and pace up front. We don't have that currently. Leicester have far more quality than us and have very good recognised full backs. Give it a month of the new season and a few bad results then Phillips and Leko will be out for McLean and Garnder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 29, 2016, 12:01:07 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on July 29, 2016, 11:44:11 AM
You also need quality in the centre and pace up front. We don't have that currently. Leicester have far more quality than us and have very good recognised full backs. Give it a month of the new season and a few bad results then Phillips and Leko will be out for McLean and Garnder.
I agree we need strength in other areas. IF Phillips and Leko are out then at least they can come off the bench...at least we have these players now....pace, options.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on July 30, 2016, 01:47:57 PM
Didn't like him at Stoke, didn't want him to become the Albions manager and he has done nothing, nothing to change my mind.

Can anyone truthfully say they are happy with Tony Pulis being the manager of West Bromwich Albion.

It's an embarrassment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on July 30, 2016, 01:53:26 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on July 30, 2016, 01:47:57 PM
Didn't like him at Stoke, didn't want him to become the Albions manager and he has done nothing, nothing to change my mind.

Can anyone truthfully say they are happy with Tony Pulis being the manager of West Bromwich Albion.

It's an embarrassment.

Would we still be in the Premiership now if Pulis hadn't organised a group of average players, even though his emphasis was on not conceding rather than scoring? I doubt it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on July 30, 2016, 01:54:11 PM
Quote from: royhan on July 30, 2016, 01:53:26 PM
Would we still be in the Premiership now if Pulis hadn't organised a group of average players, even though his emphasis was on not conceding rather than scoring? I doubt it.

Honestly, after a lot of thought, I couldn't give a toss.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 30, 2016, 02:15:27 PM
Quote from: royhan on July 30, 2016, 01:53:26 PM
Would we still be in the Premiership now if Pulis hadn't organised a group of average players, even though his emphasis was on not conceding rather than scoring? I doubt it.
That impossible to answer, but I for one don't subscribe to this notion that only Pulis could have kept us up. As far as "organised a group of average players" is concerned, he signed 11 of them. Someone else would have signed different players, and maybe they wouldn't have been so average....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 30, 2016, 02:24:57 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on July 30, 2016, 02:15:27 PM
That impossible to answer, but I for one don't subscribe to this notion that only Pulis could have kept us up. As far as "organised a group of average players" is concerned, he signed 11 of them. Someone else would have signed different players, and maybe they wouldn't have been so average....
3 loan signings in that 11 by the way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 30, 2016, 03:52:52 PM
Quote from: Adder on July 30, 2016, 02:24:57 PM
3 loan signings in that 11 by the way.
Indeed. That went well didn't it?!  :) Another manager might have got more out of those players or different loanees who could have contributed more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 30, 2016, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on July 30, 2016, 03:52:52 PM
Indeed. That went well didn't it?!  :) Another manager might have got more out of those players or different loanees who could have contributed more.

Our record with the loan system is not good at all.

With the exception of Lukaku have any of our previous loanees made much of an impact ?

I think other previous managers could also have used the loan system better and got better results not just Pulis, seems a club thing rather than an individual thing,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 30, 2016, 04:42:32 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on July 30, 2016, 04:05:15 PM
I think other previous managers could also have used the loan system better and got better results not just Pulis, seems a club thing rather than an individual thing,
Maybe, but I suspect other managers would have given loan signings more of a run in the side to get them up to speed and to take a good look at them in competitive action. With Pulis, they're lucky if they get on the bench!  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 30, 2016, 04:42:48 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on July 30, 2016, 03:52:52 PM
Indeed. That went well didn't it?!  :) Another manager might have got more out of those players or different loanees who could have contributed more.
Two of those were effectively brought in as cover - Pritchard when Morrison was injured, and Sandro as Yacob was walking the yellow card suspension tightrope. A premier league club has to have cover.
Gnabri, well it didn't work and he seems to have lost his way generally.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 30, 2016, 04:49:54 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on July 30, 2016, 04:42:32 PM
Maybe, but I suspect other managers would have given loan signings more of a run in the side to get them up to speed and to take a good look at them in competitive action. With Pulis, they're lucky if they get on the bench!  ;)

Easy to say, hard to prove. Others have only given loanees bit parts in the main, not just Pulis no matter how you wish to make it, the loan issues at this club are not a Pulis only thing.

He did soon get Wisdom out the team though and put Dawson at right back who has turned into a much better full back than Wisdom who despite being primarily a centre half was played at right back by Irvine, imagine that eh another coach moving a centre half to full back  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 30, 2016, 05:01:29 PM
Quote from: Adder on July 30, 2016, 04:42:48 PM
Two of those were effectively brought in as cover - Pritchard when Morrison was injured
Except that Morrison was injured, as you say, yet Pritchard still didn't get picked.

I'm not a fan of bringing in loan players and, Lukaku apart, the totally negligible impact that those Albion have brought in of late (regardless of who you blame for it) means that we're wasting places in our squad by having them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 30, 2016, 05:52:32 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on July 30, 2016, 05:01:29 PM
Except that Morrison was injured, as you say, yet Pritchard still didn't get picked.

I'm not a fan of bringing in loan players and, Lukaku apart, the totally negligible impact that those Albion have brought in of late (regardless of who you blame for it) means that we're wasting places in our squad by having them.
Yeah Morrison's injury also coincided with Saido returning to the fold and getting picked regularly.
Hopefully, with more younger players closer to the first team this need to bring in loan players as cover will reduce.
Sandro was a loan with an option to buy. In a way he was unlucky as Yacob suddenly stopped getting yellow cards and didn't get suspended....but evidently enough was seen to make a judgement by Pulis and co.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on July 30, 2016, 06:42:00 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on July 30, 2016, 05:01:29 PM
Except that Morrison was injured, as you say, yet Pritchard still didn't get picked.

Pritchard was coming back from injury himself when he was brought in and then got injured again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on July 30, 2016, 07:20:58 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on July 30, 2016, 06:42:00 PM
Pritchard was coming back from injury himself when he was brought in and then got injured again.

A bit like Gnabry then. Yet another unfit signing. When will we ever learn?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 30, 2016, 07:26:04 PM
You need cover but apart from Lukaku and Vela they have not been effective.Which is no surprise really. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on July 30, 2016, 08:32:30 PM
A season to late for me, he's kept JP's money safe but he's destroying football sorry he's destroyed football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on July 30, 2016, 08:37:37 PM
Quote from: Throstletown on July 30, 2016, 08:32:30 PM
A season to late for me, he's kept JP's money safe but he's destroying football sorry he's destroyed football.

Same old same old. With Pulis whoever we sign we will still play this boring negative football. We have needed a clear out of the likes of Olsson and Mcclean and a new coach with attacking intent for this coming season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on July 31, 2016, 12:23:31 AM
Enough beating about the bush get this bloke out of our club now whilst there is still a modicum of time to alter things. Should he survive until Sept 1st then boot him skywards by mid December and have somebody lined up to take over. Pulis is a dinosaur that has been robbing a living , unable to appreciate that the game has changed and mired in old fashioned tactics unable to embrace any changes in the way others are playing the game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2016, 12:28:32 AM
Extremely happy to have Pulis at the helm, something I would never have said in the Mowbray years, but I had no idea how poor we would become after Hodgson left, and the answer i very poor, the fact our two best technical footballers are from that Tony Mowbray side says it all, yes we have other quality in Foster, Evans and Rondon but should Morrison and Brunt be our best two players after all these years?

Probably not.

Pulis is the only reason we have retained Premier League status and we will be left far better off when he leaves than we were when he was appointed to fight an Alan Irvine fire.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on July 31, 2016, 06:32:20 AM
Get rid of this man
2 dmf against Plymouth in a friendly
Twitter exploded with excitement I could not read them all they were coming in that quickly........NOT
Friendlies you try something different, we send out our first team who could not beat them.
Free kicks corners and throw ins
Wake up a smell the coffee, we have not a clue of how to attack, we dont have the pace to attack, from our eighteen yard line it a long run for anyone because to try and pass the ball forward the aint no one up field.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on July 31, 2016, 09:44:11 AM
In general I would never pay too much attention to a pre season friendly but yesterday was all too familiar and all too depressing. Plainly the squad is short of a few players although 5 senior players were left in West Brom to play with the kids in a behind closed doors friendly.

In typical myopic fashion Pulis has a 4-2-3-1 that works which should and could be a starting XI even without further reinforcement, instead he plays a 4-4-2 that won't work should never see the light of day and needs to swap out 3 senior pro's (Yacob Fletcher and Berahino) to give it a chance of working.

I am caught in a bind I know the squad needs money spent on it but I wouldn't give another penny to Pulis to spend. Frankly we will spend millions on players but the same old utterly dire unimaginative football is going to be served up. 

I seldom despair in pre season but something has to change here

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 31, 2016, 10:05:00 AM
I agree on the desperate need for a playmaking box to box midfielder if there's any intention of playing 4-4-2....and one would be highly useful whatever formation we play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on July 31, 2016, 11:02:32 AM
He's had time and money to build a balanced team. We still lack pace creativity and balance. He spent close on 15 million on Lambert,macmanaman and Chester none of which he plays. Plays our best centre half at left back. Continues to pick players like ollson , MacLean and gardener who are not premiership quality. Yet he keeps us in with a chance of staying up until peace walks away with an obscene amount of money. The sooner pulis and peace leave the better. I would even take relegation to be rid of these pair and start enjoying going to my club again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 31, 2016, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: graka on July 31, 2016, 11:02:32 AM
He's had time and money to build a balanced team. We still lack pace creativity and balance. He spent close on 15 million on Lambert,macmanaman and Chester none of which he plays. Plays our best centre half at left back. Continues to pick players like ollson , MacLean and gardener who are not premiership quality. Yet he keeps us in with a chance of staying up until peace walks away with an obscene amount of money. The sooner pulis and peace leave the better. I would even take relegation to be rid of these pair and start enjoying going to my club again.

I am in agreement. If TP goes changing to a much more pleasing on the eye style of football may not be the immediate answer as it would require too many new players with the season almost upon us, so someone like Steve Bruce I would accept, not ideal but a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 31, 2016, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: Adder on July 31, 2016, 10:05:00 AM
I agree on the desperate need for a playmaking box to box midfielder if there's any intention of playing 4-4-2....and one would be highly useful whatever formation we play.

Personally, I think we've already got one, but most fans want to see him gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 31, 2016, 04:14:42 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on July 31, 2016, 03:42:26 PM
Personally, I think we've already got one, but most fans want to see him gone.
Morrison ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 31, 2016, 04:16:20 PM
Quote from: Adder on July 31, 2016, 04:14:42 PM
Morrison ?

Saido
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 31, 2016, 04:20:42 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on July 31, 2016, 04:16:20 PM
Saido
box to box midfielder ? Really ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 31, 2016, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: Adder on July 31, 2016, 04:20:42 PM
box to box midfielder ? Really ?

He's got all the skills to carry the ball, he's the only one I've seen confident enough to take people on, & he's got better than average vision ( I mean he sees passes that others don't). If he didn't have the baggage, we'd be drooling over him.
I could see a formation with Darren Fletcher sitting, & Saido play making in a 4:4:2 or 4:1:4:1, no problem 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 31, 2016, 05:43:57 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on July 31, 2016, 05:42:23 PM
He's got all the skills to carry the ball, he's the only one I've seen confident enough to take people on, & he's got better than average vision ( I mean he sees passes that others don't). If he didn't have the baggage, we'd be drooling over him.
I could see a formation with Darren Fletcher sitting, & Saido play making in a 4:4:2 or 4:1:4:1, no problem
I can see that as well John.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 31, 2016, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on July 31, 2016, 05:43:57 PM
I can see that as well John.
In a 4-4-2 he'd have to do a hell of a lot of graft and tackling as well as playmaking. He'd be learning a new position at premier league level...no chance I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 31, 2016, 06:32:11 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on July 31, 2016, 05:42:23 PM
He's got all the skills to carry the ball, he's the only one I've seen confident enough to take people on, & he's got better than average vision ( I mean he sees passes that others don't). If he didn't have the baggage, we'd be drooling over him.
I could see a formation with Darren Fletcher sitting, & Saido play making in a 4:4:2 or 4:1:4:1, no problem

Basically Pullis hasn't managed him well enough.
The rest of the team likewise?
Centre halves playing full back? etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 31, 2016, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: Adder on July 31, 2016, 06:30:02 PM
In a 4-4-2 he'd have to do a hell of a lot of graft and tackling as well as playmaking. He'd be learning a new position at premier league level...no chance I'm afraid.
Well he is young and should be fit enough to do that job. But as you say won't happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2016, 06:57:52 PM
Seen it all now, Berahino trying to play like Gerrard in his pomp... Think same poster suggested striker Dio Kamara is one of our best wingers of recent times...

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 31, 2016, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2016, 06:57:52 PM
Seen it all now, Berahino trying to play like Gerrard in his pomp... Think same poster suggested striker Dio Kamara is one of our best wingers of recent times...

Same poster did, & stands by that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 31, 2016, 08:09:01 PM
Quote from: Adder on July 31, 2016, 06:30:02 PM
In a 4-4-2 he'd have to do a hell of a lot of graft and tackling as well as playmaking. He'd be learning a new position at premier league level...no chance I'm afraid.

Why would he be tackling, with Fletcher as DM, surely he'd be in a receiving position. Can't see a problem with graft, Saido's never been shy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on July 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on July 31, 2016, 08:09:01 PM
Why would he be tackling, with Fletcher as DM, surely he'd be in a receiving position. Can't see a problem with graft, Saido's never been shy.
Usually in a 4-4-2 you have two central players sharing the work even though one may sit more and one may advance more....like Drinkwater and Kante at Leicester. If only one of them had to worry about any defensive work they'd be overrun.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 31, 2016, 08:28:36 PM
Quote from: Adder on July 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Usually in a 4-4-2 you have two central players sharing the work even though one may sit more and one may advance more....like Drinkwater and Kante at Leicester. If only one of them had to worry about any defensive work they'd be overrun.

The operative word being "usually". Usually means I can probably predict what you're going to do, Unusually means I might not be able to. So sometimes Saido might tackle back, sometimes he might not, same with Darren Fletcher. Look at Saido's cryptic tweets, he's as cunning as they come. Worth a lot more than 20k to me.
But hey what do I know, I thought Diomansy Kamera was the business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:02:56 AM
From anther thread, by charlebaggie
"I don't remember playing the Stoke long ball game last season ,you must have been watching MOTD highlights".

Ermm Did you watch any of Pulis's games last season?
We relied so heavily on hoofball.
It was basically the only service Rondon had.
We have a midfield captain who is useless at passing to our players, unless they are within a couple of yards.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 01, 2016, 08:49:26 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:02:56 AM
From anther thread, by charlebaggie
"I don't remember playing the Stoke long ball game last season ,you must have been watching MOTD highlights".

Ermm Did you watch any of Pulis's games last season?
We relied so heavily on hoofball.
It was basically the only service Rondon had.
We have a midfield captain who is useless at passing to our players, unless they are within a couple of yards.

There is a massive difference between hoofball & the long pass, we tend to pass to a player, not hoof in hope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 09:08:33 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 01, 2016, 08:49:26 AM
There is a massive difference between hoofball & the long pass, we tend to pass to a player, not hoof in hope.
I disagree, John.
Look how many of those balls come straight back into our half.
Foster used to be better at passing or throwing the ball out for a player to take it upwards.
He now kicks and over 50% come straight back.
We have to learn to carry the ball into the oppositions' half.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 01, 2016, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 01, 2016, 08:49:26 AM
There is a massive difference between hoofball & the long pass, we tend to pass to a player, not hoof in hope.

You must have been watching another team. Almost every time our defenders get the ball they kick it aimlessly upfield. Even Brunt was at it whose distribution is usually decent. I watched a lot of games with my 7 year old son and even he says every time "Dad why do we just hoof it anywhere"?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 01, 2016, 10:58:21 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 01, 2016, 10:06:07 AM
You must have been watching another team. Almost every time our defenders get the ball they kick it aimlessly upfield. Even Brunt was at it whose distribution is usually decent. I watched a lot of games with my 7 year old son and even he says every time "Dad why do we just hoof it anywhere"?
Just to back this up, stats show that our average number of long passes per game last season was 71. Only 5 teams had more long passes. More tellingly, we had by far the lowest average number of short passes per game - 255 (the next lowest was 270). Therefore, nearly 22% of all of our passes were long balls.

We also has the lowest pass success rate (70%) and the lowest amount of possession (42.2%).

Hoofball by any other name....

Source: whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/5826/Stages/12496/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2015-2016)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 01, 2016, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 01, 2016, 10:58:21 AM
Just to back this up, stats show that our average number of long passes per game last season was 71. Only 5 teams had more long passes. More tellingly, we had by far the lowest average number of short passes per game - 255 (the next lowest was 270). Therefore, nearly 22% of all of our passes were long balls.

We also has the lowest pass success rate (70%) and the lowest amount of possession (42.2%).

Hoofball by any other name....

Source: whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/5826/Stages/12496/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2015-2016)

Wow, 42.2 - that much?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 01, 2016, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:02:56 AM
From anther thread, by charlebaggie
"I don't remember playing the Stoke long ball game last season ,you must have been watching MOTD highlights".

Ermm Did you watch any of Pulis's games last season?
We relied so heavily on hoofball.
It was basically the only service Rondon had.
We have a midfield captain who is useless at passing to our players, unless they are within a couple of yards.

I think this is more down to the static tactic we have! No movement whatsoever from anyone when we have the ball.

That is not a players choice also, that is a knock on effect of training!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 01, 2016, 03:06:23 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 01, 2016, 10:58:21 AM
Just to back this up, stats show that our average number of long passes per game last season was 71. Only 5 teams had more long passes. More tellingly, we had by far the lowest average number of short passes per game - 255 (the next lowest was 270). Therefore, nearly 22% of all of our passes were long balls.

We also has the lowest pass success rate (70%) and the lowest amount of possession (42.2%).

Hoofball by any other name....

Source: whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/5826/Stages/12496/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2015-2016)


Guess who had the second lowest pass rate (70.5%) & the 3rd lowest possession (44.8%) but the 6th highest shots on target (4.7 per game) & the 7th highest shots per game (13.7) Their shots to goals ratio (excluding penalties & og's) was 9.1 shots per goal, shots on target per goal was 3.1 shots per goal?
 Against WBA's shots on target (2.8 per game) & total shots (10.2 per game) our shots to goals ratio was 12.4 & our shots on target per goal ratio was 3.4.


So our pass rate & possession was about the same as Leicester. Our shots on target per goal was a little bit more, so they were a bit more effective than us in front of goal, but Leicester had almost 40% more shots per game than us.
The long pass was just as effective as the Champions in getting us into the final third, but when we got there we tried to walk it in, & that's what I saw.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 01, 2016, 04:27:21 PM
I think a team that relies on Rondon, Lambert and Big Vik, as your main strike force, along with a slow midfield is always going to struggle in front of goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 01, 2016, 05:06:27 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 01, 2016, 03:06:23 PM
Guess who had the second lowest pass rate (70.5%) & the 3rd lowest possession (44.8%) but the 6th highest shots on target (4.7 per game) & the 7th highest shots per game (13.7) Their shots to goals ratio (excluding penalties & og's) was 9.1 shots per goal, shots on target per goal was 3.1 shots per goal?
 Against WBA's shots on target (2.8 per game) & total shots (10.2 per game) our shots to goals ratio was 12.4 & our shots on target per goal ratio was 3.4.

So our pass rate & possession was about the same as Leicester. Our shots on target per goal was a little bit more, so they were a bit more effective than us in front of goal, but Leicester had almost 40% more shots per game than us.
The long pass was just as effective as the Champions in getting us into the final third, but when we got there we tried to walk it in, & that's what I saw.
A bit more effective? They scored twice as many goals as we did! Over the season, Leicester had 522 shots compared to our 389, so things that you're making out to be marginally different were actually huge.

Perhaps it was less to do with trying to walk the ball in and more to do with a tactical reluctance to commit players forward in support?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on August 02, 2016, 01:00:21 AM
Defensively in future we shall be called the great wall of China?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 02, 2016, 08:37:05 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 01, 2016, 05:06:27 PM
A bit more effective? They scored twice as many goals as we did! Over the season, Leicester had 522 shots compared to our 389, so things that you're making out to be marginally different were actually huge.

Perhaps it was less to do with trying to walk the ball in and more to do with a tactical reluctance to commit players forward in support?

The difference is 133 shots which spread out over the 38 games is only 3.5 more shots per game so in a way I think you are both right. 3.5 more shots per game is a small margin but 133 more shots is a huge difference...over 1/3 of our total extra.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 02, 2016, 09:03:21 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 01, 2016, 05:06:27 PM
A bit more effective? They scored twice as many goals as we did! Over the season, Leicester had 522 shots compared to our 389, so things that you're making out to be marginally different were actually huge.

Perhaps it was less to do with trying to walk the ball in and more to do with a tactical reluctance to commit players forward in support?

If you read my post, you'll find I said that Leicester had "almost 40% more shots per game than us", which bears out your figures, but the shots on target per goal figures at 3.1 & 3.4 were similar.
If you care to drill down to the detailed tab, our shots inside the 6 yard box, were only second to Arsenal, but in the penalty area & out of box, we were either bottom or next to bottom.
Our goals in open play were awful in comparison to Leicester, only 19 compared to Leicester's 41, but if you want to use stats to analyse the reason why, you only have to look at the detailed tab & shots per game:

                                                                                              WBA                                                                                Leicester

Total shots per game                                                               10.2                                                                                  13.7             (Spurs 17.3 Villa 10)

Out of Box                                                                               4.1                                                                                     4.9              (Spurs 7.9 Newcastle 3.6)

Six Yard Box                                                                             1.3                                                                                    1.2               (Arsenal 1.4, Villa 0.4)

Penalty Area                                                                              4.9                                                                                    7.6              (Arsenal 9.5 WBA 4.9)


If you now care to drill down to the "Premier League Positional Stats, & open the Action Zones tab, you'll find we spend 28% of our time in the final third exactly the same as Leicester, 29% in our own third, exactly the same as Leicester & 42% in the middle third, Leicester were 43%.

So we matched Leicester in positional play, but we were rubbish in the penalty area, showing our strikers lacked confidence, & were trying to walk it in.

I sit in the East Stand bang opposite the Brummie penalty area, & I can think of a least two sitters Saido missed last season that normally he wouldn't have thought twice about, & Solomon didn't start firing on all four until really late in the season. Leicesters strikers on the other hand were on fire.
I honestly don't think we're doing a lot wrong, once they get their shooting boots on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 02, 2016, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 02, 2016, 09:03:21 AM
If you read my post, you'll find I said that Leicester had "almost 40% more shots per game than us", which bears out your figures, but the shots on target per goal figures at 3.1 & 3.4 were similar.
If you care to drill down to the detailed tab, our shots inside the 6 yard box, were only second to Arsenal, but in the penalty area & out of box, we were either bottom or next to bottom.
Our goals in open play were awful in comparison to Leicester, only 19 compared to Leicester's 41, but if you want to use stats to analyse the reason why, you only have to look at the detailed tab & shots per game:

                                                                                              WBA                                                                                Leicester

Total shots per game                                                               10.2                                                                                  13.7             (Spurs 17.3 Villa 10)

Out of Box                                                                               4.1                                                                                     4.9              (Spurs 7.9 Newcastle 3.6)

Six Yard Box                                                                             1.3                                                                                    1.2               (Arsenal 1.4, Villa 0.4)

Penalty Area                                                                              4.9                                                                                    7.6              (Arsenal 9.5 WBA 4.9)


If you now care to drill down to the "Premier League Positional Stats, & open the Action Zones tab, you'll find we spend 28% of our time in the final third exactly the same as Leicester, 29% in our own third, exactly the same as Leicester & 42% in the middle third, Leicester were 43%.

 If we matched Leicester in the final 1/3 and in our own 1/3 then surely we should have exactly the same % in the middle 1/3? our total adds up to 99% what happened to the missing 1%?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 02, 2016, 09:14:18 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 02, 2016, 09:03:21 AM
If you now care to drill down to the "Premier League Positional Stats, & open the Action Zones tab, you'll find we spend 28% of our time in the final third exactly the same as Leicester, 29% in our own third, exactly the same as Leicester & 42% in the middle third, Leicester were 43%.

So we matched Leicester in positional play, but we were rubbish in the penalty area, showing our strikers lacked confidence, & were trying to walk it in.
The devil is in the detail here - how are "action zones" measured? Is it only calculated when a player has the ball at his feet, or is a hoof from one of our players also measured until such time as it goes to an opposition player or sails out of play? Even if it is calculated when a player the ball at his feet, the stats will say nothing about all the futile occasions when a striker is desperately holding the ball up waiting for support that never arrives or when a wide player makes a good run down the wing and puts a cross in only to find that we have either no-one or 1 player in the box.

Quote from: baggiejohn on August 02, 2016, 09:03:21 AM
I sit in the East Stand bang opposite the Brummie penalty area, & I can think of a least two sitters Saido missed last season that normally he wouldn't have thought twice about, & Solomon didn't start firing on all four until really late in the season. Leicesters strikers on the other hand were on fire.
Every fan of every club can point to glorious chances that their players have missed.

Quote from: baggiejohn on August 02, 2016, 09:03:21 AM
I honestly don't think we're doing a lot wrong, once they get their shooting boots on.
We'll have to agree to differ then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 02, 2016, 09:16:18 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 02, 2016, 09:12:03 AM
If we matched Leicester in the final 1/3 and in our own 1/3 then surely we should have exactly the same % in the middle 1/3? our total adds up to 99% what happened to the missing 1%?

That's when the ball was in orbit  ;)

I'll guess the percentages have just been rounded down for ease of reading. 28.3%, 29.3%, 44.4% etc etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 02, 2016, 09:19:12 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 02, 2016, 09:03:21 AM
I honestly don't think we're doing a lot wrong, once they get their shooting boots on.

We only need a striker then. Happy days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 02, 2016, 09:30:52 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 02, 2016, 09:14:18 AM
The devil is in the detail here - how are "action zones" measured? Is it only calculated when a player has the ball at his feet, or is a hoof from one of our players also measured until such time as it goes to an opposition player or sails out of play? Even if it is calculated when a player the ball at his feet, the stats will say nothing about all the futile occasions when a striker is desperately holding the ball up waiting for support that never arrives or when a wide player makes a good run down the wing and puts a cross in only to find that we have either no-one or 1 player in the box.
Every fan of every club can point to glorious chances that their players have missed.
We'll have to agree to differ then.

You were the one who started to use stats to support your argument, not me. The stats either reflect the position or they don't.

You could use your argument for shots on target, for example how is a shot that grazes the inside of the post & goes in "on target", but one that comes out "not on target".

I worked for 10 years in a job using stats to help us make decisions, & you have to trust them. You use stats to get results, & it stands out a mile why we weren't getting results. Using stats to define style is a lot more difficult.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on August 02, 2016, 05:41:10 PM
Why did most of us agree that TP was the right man at the right time to take control over us?
Simple, he plays a style of football that is geared to reach 40 points over a season  which he as achieved at stoke, crystal palace & here,Job done & thanks TP.
Now if we keep him im sure he will deal with this season has he has with the last 10 or so, simple.
I was hoping that the he might have been a bit more adventurous last season after reaching his goal of 40 points (but no joy there)
I expect the same this season with him in charge but i'm hoping when the seasons starts he will be gone with my thanks & best wishes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 02, 2016, 10:31:12 PM
The defeat against Torquay yesterday was the top story on the DM website under football.

I am not voicing an opinion but the following is the top comment made in response to the article:

Pulls and a few others are the last of the dinosaurs. One by one they get their shot at England and it finishes them. Roy Hodgson driven to dementia and humiliated, Next up Field Marshal Allardyce. He'll be at the bottom of the England tar pit inside 2 tournaments. Tony is now the last beast in the paddock. They get results, but the players don't enjoy the grinding it out week in week out, so ultimately it secures prem survival/ mid table for a period but nothing more exciting than that. You won't see Pulis do a Ranieri, as he does not go out to win, but goes out not to lose and tries to pinch it at the end, if its all even, with a 5 minute barrage of long balls..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3718658
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2016, 10:51:19 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on August 02, 2016, 10:31:12 PM
The defeat against Torquay yesterday was the top story on the DM website under football.

I am not voicing an opinion but the following is the top comment made in response to the article:

Pulls and a few others are the last of the dinosaurs. One by one they get their shot at England and it finishes them. Roy Hodgson driven to dementia and humiliated, Next up Field Marshal Allardyce. He'll be at the bottom of the England tar pit inside 2 tournaments. Tony is now the last beast in the paddock. They get results, but the players don't enjoy the grinding it out week in week out, so ultimately it secures prem survival/ mid table for a period but nothing more exciting than that. You won't see Pulis do a Ranieri, as he does not go out to win, but goes out not to lose and tries to pinch it at the end, if its all even, with a 5 minute barrage of long balls..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3718658

The buffoon who wrote this is forgetting the minor inconvenience of Tony Pulis being Welsh...

Next...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on August 02, 2016, 10:53:00 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on August 02, 2016, 10:31:12 PM
The defeat against Torquay yesterday was the top story on the DM website under football.

I am not voicing an opinion but the following is the top comment made in response to the article:

Pulls and a few others are the last of the dinosaurs. One by one they get their shot at England and it finishes them. Roy Hodgson driven to dementia and humiliated, Next up Field Marshal Allardyce. He'll be at the bottom of the England tar pit inside 2 tournaments. Tony is now the last beast in the paddock. They get results, but the players don't enjoy the grinding it out week in week out, so ultimately it secures prem survival/ mid table for a period but nothing more exciting than that. You won't see Pulis do a Ranieri, as he does not go out to win, but goes out not to lose and tries to pinch it at the end, if its all even, with a 5 minute barrage of long balls..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3718658
i wouldn't wipe my backside with the daily mail.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 02, 2016, 11:32:36 PM
1 - I got my knuckles wrapped for typing in blue

2 - The only people with an opinion on Tony Pulis that matters, is the fans of West Bromwich Albion.

3 - As I understand it Ranieri was told that Leicester play a defensive counter attacking game, & he might find it difficult to change. His reply was OK. He focused on   generating self belief in the players.

4 - England failed because they froze

5 - The only team that effectively plays with style is Barcelona & they are worth around 2 billion Euros
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 02, 2016, 11:36:28 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2016, 10:51:19 PM
The buffoon who wrote this is forgetting the minor inconvenience of Tony Pulis being Welsh...

Next...

If you really think that is a pertinent point to make in light of the comment made then truly there is no helping you.
 
Usually I would leave it at that but I feel this needs to be typed out for you. He was using Hodgson and Allardyce as examples of archaic managerial styles (even though personally I don't mind hodgson).

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2016, 11:39:37 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 02, 2016, 11:36:28 PM
If you really think that is a pertinent point to make in light of the comment made then truly there is no helping you.
 
Usually I would leave it at that but I feel this needs to be typed out for you. He was using Hodgson and Allardyce as examples of archaic managerial styles (even though personally I don't mind hodgson).

Pulls and a few others are the last of the dinosaurs. One by one they get their shot at England and it finishes them.

Whatever you say James.  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 02, 2016, 11:41:17 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2016, 11:39:37 PM
Pulls and a few others are the last of the dinosaurs. One by one they get their shot at England and it finishes them.

Whatever you say James.  :-X

The pedantry is palpable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2016, 11:47:27 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 02, 2016, 11:41:17 PM
The pedantry is palpable.

The issue I have is that I don't need your help... Thanks all the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 02, 2016, 11:55:33 PM
The issue I have is, I used to hold Football Correspondents & Politicians in high esteem, now I think they're f*cking idiots
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2016, 11:56:14 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 02, 2016, 11:55:33 PM
The issue I have is, I used to hold Football Correspondents & Politicians in high esteem, now I think they're f*cking idiots

It was a reader comment mate, not part of the actual article.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 03, 2016, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2016, 11:56:14 PM
It was a reader comment mate, not part of the actual article.

I get that, trying to support your corner. When it comes to football, you & me are generally on the same page. It's only business & politics we fall out  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 03, 2016, 10:01:59 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2016, 11:39:37 PM
Pulls and a few others are the last of the dinosaurs. One by one they get their shot at England and it finishes them.

Whatever you say James.  :-X
The comment doesn't say they have to be English.  ;)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 04, 2016, 03:16:50 PM
I honestly think he might walk away the way our transfer activity is going this summer. Farcical.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on August 04, 2016, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 04, 2016, 03:16:50 PM
I honestly think he might walk away the way our transfer activity is going this summer. Farcical.

The first thing I thought of !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 04, 2016, 03:18:53 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 04, 2016, 03:16:50 PM
I honestly think he might walk away the way our transfer activity is going this summer. Farcical.
perhaps that's the point? (Plays X Files music)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 04, 2016, 03:29:47 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 04, 2016, 03:16:50 PM
I honestly think he might walk away the way our transfer activity is going this summer. Farcical.


some would be highly delighted
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 04, 2016, 03:30:00 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 04, 2016, 03:16:50 PM
I honestly think he might walk away the way our transfer activity is going this summer. Farcical.

Makes you understand why ex managers/ coaches have to sign a confidentiality clause, not sure how anyone puts up with it but it is the only job where failure is handsomely rewarded and another job soon comes up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 04, 2016, 04:08:04 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 04, 2016, 03:16:50 PM
I honestly think he might walk away the way our transfer activity is going this summer. Farcical.

the light at the end of the tunnel :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 04, 2016, 04:47:29 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 04, 2016, 03:16:50 PM
I honestly think he might walk away the way our transfer activity is going this summer. Farcical.

That won't happen as he is under contract and already facing a 2 million+ debt to Crystal Palace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 04, 2016, 04:49:51 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on August 04, 2016, 04:47:29 PM
That won't happen as he is under contract and already facing a 2 million+ debt to Crystal Palace.

Agree. That court case was a game-changer for Pulis, otherwise he'd be off. If we end up short of signings then funnily enough I think Pulis would be the perfect manager for us right now, although hopefully it doesn't come to that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 04, 2016, 04:55:29 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on August 04, 2016, 04:49:51 PM
Agree. That court case was a game-changer for Pulis, otherwise he'd be off. If we end up short of signings then funnily enough I think Pulis would be the perfect manager for us right now, although hopefully it doesn't come to that.

I said exactly that elsewhere. Was told I could not dislike Pulis and then claim we needed him as our manager, but the point stands, out of choice I'd have loved us to make a number of quality signings by now and appoint a manager more in tune with the football I want to see, but sadly as it is the Albion, we have made one signing and the squad remains threadbare and requires a Pulis to keep us afloat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 04, 2016, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on August 04, 2016, 04:55:29 PM
I said exactly that elsewhere. Was told I could not dislike Pulis and then claim we needed him as our manager, but the point stands, out of choice I'd have loved us to make a number of quality signings by now and appoint a manager more in tune with the football I want to see, but sadly as it is the Albion, we have made one signing and the squad remains threadbare and requires a Pulis to keep us afloat.

god thats depressingly true ! good post sir!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 04, 2016, 07:33:39 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on August 04, 2016, 04:55:29 PM
I said exactly that elsewhere. Was told I could not dislike Pulis and then claim we needed him as our manager, but the point stands, out of choice I'd have loved us to make a number of quality signings by now and appoint a manager more in tune with the football I want to see, but sadly as it is the Albion, we have made one signing and the squad remains threadbare and requires a Pulis to keep us afloat.
I think he is ideal for our current situation; a club trying to be sold. I imagine he would get sacked/leave at some point if new owners came in, but until then he will do his job in keeping us up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2016, 01:00:16 AM
I simply don't know what is going on behind the scenes with regards transfers or takeovers, nor do I know the impact Pulis has on the former, i.e. how much say he has on targets or how much impact his particular quirks have on our thinking nor for that matter how he is regarded by potential signings.

However I am more certain than ever that Pulisball won't change regardless of who we bring in. At some point he has to go, the only question is what will be the trigger? New ownership, poor form, fan discontent or his own frustration. Frankly it doesn't matter because apart from a short window in May/June the transition is always going to be difficult and potentially disruptive. 

Do I want him gone? Yes. Do I want him gone now? Yes I simply don't see the point of hanging on to Premier League football if watching us play is so painful I could cry. I have reached the point where I look at Steve Bruce and think to myself he ain't bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 05, 2016, 01:17:37 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 05, 2016, 01:00:16 AM
I simply don't know what is going on behind the scenes with regards transfers or takeovers, nor do I know the impact Pulis has on the former, i.e. how much say he has on targets or how much impact his particular quirks have on our thinking nor for that matter how he is regarded by potential signings.

However I am more certain than ever that Pulisball won't change regardless of who we bring in. At some point he has to go, the only question is what will be the trigger? New ownership, poor form, fan discontent or his own frustration. Frankly it doesn't matter because apart from a short window in May/June the transition is always going to be difficult and potentially disruptive. 

Do I want him gone? Yes. Do I want him gone now? Yes I simply don't see the point of hanging on to Premier League football if watching us play is so painful I could cry. I have reached the point where I look at Steve Bruce and think to myself he ain't bad.

Eloquently put.

The definition of pride needs to be redefined when thinking about the Albion under the management of Pulis. He has brow beaten this team into thinking the idea of success is surviving.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on August 05, 2016, 07:12:33 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 05, 2016, 01:17:37 AM
Eloquently put.

The definition of pride needs to be redefined when thinking about the Albion under the management of Pulis. He has brow beaten this team into thinking the idea of success is surviving.

That was why JP brought him in, i just wonder what he has to do to get the golden handshake.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 05, 2016, 09:03:46 AM
I have no doubts that following the takeover the days of Pulis are numbered.

Pulis was the ideal man for the club under Jeremy Peace, he is a steady manager who knows how to keep clubs in this division which despite all his negative football, poor tactics blah blah is exactly what Peace and co wanted hence why I personally don't get over-excited at some of it as its what I expected, not what I wanted but what I expected.

Now I think the new owners will in the coming months make the change. Whether thats in the next few days I have no idea time will tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 05, 2016, 09:13:25 AM
When Pulis was hired the idea of success WAS surviving.  We were heading straight down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 05, 2016, 09:13:42 AM
Maybe not immediately, but over time, his remit might change. If the new owner is genuinely interested in promoting the club then I think the style will have to change. Our image and standing within the game is lower than I can remember, which cannot lend itself to brand building.
Not saying he has to go, but he may have to change his philosophy and deliver more than the bare minimum, results wise. Can he do it? Personally, I don't think so, but who knows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on August 05, 2016, 09:21:51 AM
The first six games will be interesting to say the least. The fixture list has been kind to us and I believe 10 points from the first six games should be ours for the taking. Anything less, and especially if associated with defensive boring hoofball, and Pulis should go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnthebaggie on August 05, 2016, 09:34:17 AM
If the new owner is trying to sell "Brand Albion" in China then he won't do it with Pulis' tactics.

I do think its only a matter of weeks before he goes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 05, 2016, 10:33:40 AM
Quote from: johnthebaggie on August 05, 2016, 09:34:17 AM
If the new owner is trying to sell "Brand Albion" in China then he won't do it with Pulis' tactics.

I do think its only a matter of weeks before he goes.

John Williams: "I believe that we have a competitive team, with the right management and coaching staff in place."

That's the same man who hired Big Sam.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: macc_baggie on August 05, 2016, 10:40:04 AM
Quote from: johnthebaggie on August 05, 2016, 09:34:17 AM
If the new owner is trying to sell "Brand Albion" in China then he won't do it with Pulis' tactics.

I do think its only a matter of weeks before he goes.

I agree with the first part entirely. However, i suspect the caveat for this season will be survival at all costs whilst the new owners get to grips with the premier league and all it entails. I can't envisage a managerial change before next summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 05, 2016, 10:43:45 AM
I think Pulis will see out his contract then we'll be saying "peace out" to him and bringing in somebody to play more progressive football. We actually need Pulis at the moment, as much as i hate saying it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 05, 2016, 11:03:23 AM
Over the 10 years that Williams was chairman at Blackburn ( when Blackburn were good), he appointed Allardyce, Souness and Mark Hughes. I think Pulis is his kind of guy perhaps.........?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 05, 2016, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: lewisant on August 05, 2016, 10:43:45 AM
I think Pulis will see out his contract then we'll be saying "peace out" to him and bringing in somebody to play more progressive football. We actually need Pulis at the moment, as much as i hate saying it.

I wouldn't go so far as to say we need Pulis, but I too think he'll be given a year while the new owner / chairman evaluate the club, and then they'll appoint a new, more progressive manager when Pulis contract is up next summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan87uk on August 05, 2016, 06:28:39 PM
From part of my post on the takeover thread....pretty much my view on Pulis and Pulisball

Quote from: Dan87uk on August 05, 2016, 04:27:32 PM
One thing about new owners, they tend to stamp their mark on arrival with either a marquee signing (or 2) or a change of manager (or both). it remains to be seen what will happen for us in the remainder of the transfer market but if he's trying to market the club in China and attract further fans/investors over there then I find it difficult to see Pulis being at the club beyond the end of his current contract if we continue to play un-entertaining "hoof it and hope" football for the whole season. I still think he'll keep us up, but it will be painful viewing watching us squeeze the life out of a game to get the points we need....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 05, 2016, 06:51:27 PM
I would be surprised if Pulis is gone before the New Year, but i don't think we will be renewing his contract once it expires. Pulis does what it says on the tin. We are too close to the new season to change things now.
We might even see now the players Pulis would really like instead of those we could afford.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MBWBA on August 05, 2016, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: divinewind on August 05, 2016, 06:51:27 PM
I would be surprised if Pulis is gone before the New Year, but i don't think we will be renewing his contract once it expires. Pulis does what it says on the tin. We are too close to the new season to change things now.
We might even see now the players Pulis would really like instead of those we could afford.

I was thinking this too. I can imagine they players pulis wants would be markedly different from the ones we could afford
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 05, 2016, 08:05:47 PM
Quote from: divinewind on August 05, 2016, 06:51:27 PM
I would be surprised if Pulis is gone before the New Year, but i don't think we will be renewing his contract once it expires. Pulis does what it says on the tin. We are too close to the new season to change things now.
We might even see now the players Pulis would really like instead of those we could afford.
I think it''s now down to who we sign between now and the 31st then what happens between then and Christmas. If he gets decent support we were big spenders last year. I thnk (hope) the new owner will make a statement of intent. If he does and Pulis doesn't perform well by Christmas i don't think he will get the second Window. Time will tell Willliams isn't trigger happy though 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 06, 2016, 01:08:18 AM
As previously posted I believe pulis will be here for the season to steady the ship for new owners and then hopefully we get cash to spend on quality attacking players with pace in the middle and two recognized fullbacks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 06, 2016, 02:30:17 AM
I too think we may well be stuck with TP this season. I think it is likely that in the contract of sale of shares between JP and the Consortium there will be a clause reducing the price if Albion are relegated this coming season. Possibly this is why JP is happy to be in an advisory role. TP offers him a better quarentee he will get his full asking price when he finally waves goodbye next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 06, 2016, 07:16:31 AM
It is no secret that I want Pulis gone so this is a little contradictory if the new ownership were to sack him now I would be a little concerned that they were rushing into making sweeping changes before they fully got to grips with running the club.

Longer term I don't think he has got a hope in hell of surviving beyond the end of his contract. To get into top half of the division which is a reasonable target we will need a coach whose desire to win is greater than their fear of losing we simply have to take risks to get to 50 points which is roughly what we need to break into the top 10.

I don't think the takeover signals the end for the Pulis era but it the beginning of the end. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2016, 04:20:18 PM
so its his last season i suspect, lets hope he dont take his foot off the gas
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 06, 2016, 04:32:14 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2016, 04:20:18 PM
so its his last season i suspect, lets hope he dont take his foot off the gas

Did he ever have it on?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2016, 04:35:26 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 06, 2016, 04:32:14 PM
Did he ever have it on?


what i really meant was loose concentration :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on August 06, 2016, 04:50:00 PM
Can see him being here a little while!. If the new chairman wants to expand the Albion in China TP's brand of football is going to need to improve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on August 06, 2016, 05:19:47 PM
Those in China who remembered us in 78 will think, WTF happened?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 06, 2016, 08:21:08 PM
Quote from: Standaman on August 06, 2016, 07:16:31 AM
It is no secret that I want Pulis gone so this is a little contradictory if the new ownership were to sack him now I would be a little concerned that they were rushing into making sweeping changes before they fully got to grips with running the club.

Longer term I don't think he has got a hope in hell of surviving beyond the end of his contract. To get into top half of the division which is a reasonable target we will need a coach whose desire to win is greater than their fear of losing we simply have to take risks to get to 50 points which is roughly what we need to break into the top 10.

I don't think the takeover signals the end for the Pulis era but it the beginning of the end.

With you again Stan, can't see Palm wanting to export a defensive style to China, as Devon says we need to be West Bromwich Brazil
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 06, 2016, 08:50:58 PM
Pulis....The man with a plan.

Trouble is, he has only one plan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 06, 2016, 08:52:25 PM
I think Pulis doesn't actually like football :) ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2016, 08:58:21 PM
He's on borrowed time if our new owner wants to get the Chinese audience on board
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2016, 09:42:14 PM
Time to get the potter out of our club, oh it's pre season I hear you cry :) :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 06, 2016, 09:59:31 PM
You can sense Pulis time is up. He's run out of ideas.

We have some promising kids, let's bring in someone who can develop , not stifle them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 06, 2016, 10:03:31 PM
Absolutely nothing has changed over pre-season, he won't last more than a month of the season unless there is a drastic turnaround. I just hope the squad isn't in too bad a shape when we finally get shot of him but it doesn't look promising at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 06, 2016, 10:04:50 PM
It's still far too early to be critiquing his results, it's not even the proper season yet - and until then I will reserve my judgement.

That said, I was a bit dissapointed when Sessegnon left and after watching a few pre-season games I think we will miss him. The only player who can link the middle to attack is Morrison who we are now very dependent on. Perhaps Leko is too, but I get the feeling he will mostly be a substitute more than a regular.

This means if Morrison doesn't play well, we suddenly have set-pieces as our main threat, which simply isn't enough. Hopefully over the next week we can bring in a few players and improve our team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 06, 2016, 10:34:12 PM
I assume Nicky Hammond will actually be as fed up as most fans and try to change something if the season starts badly. Was he bought in to do the hiring and firing?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2016, 10:36:15 PM
How the eck can you trust this man with money, it's gridlock
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 06, 2016, 10:42:53 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 06, 2016, 10:34:12 PM
I assume Nicky Hammond will actually be as fed up as most fans and try to change something if the season starts badly. Was he bought in to do the hiring and firing?
Suspect that John Williams would have the greater say if you are talking firing the manager....just as I'm sure it was JP more than Dan Ashworth and his successors.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2016, 10:44:53 PM
Quote from: Adder on August 06, 2016, 10:42:53 PM
Suspect that John Williams would have the greater say if you are talking firing the manager....just as I'm sure it was JP more than Dan Ashworth and his successors.

The good news is williams has power and it's not his money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 06, 2016, 10:53:42 PM
I'm never going to condemn a manager just on the basis of pre season plain fact is it makes no difference the evidence of 18 months is compelling, the football isn't going to change. The only question is whether or not we grind out enough points to survive. If the new owners are happy with that in the short term he might get through to the end of the season if they aren't or we look like we won't get the points then he won't survive to Christmas.

While I don't think the Lai or Williams particularly want to the disruption of replacing Pulis and I am sure it is not on their agenda now but neither have they got any particular commitment to him. He wasn't their appointment so firing Pulis doesn't bring their judgement into question, Peace's continued involvement as a consultant might give Pulis a friend behind the scenes. Although had Peace been keen to look after his man then a contract extension prior to the takeover reaching a critical point would have given Pulis a little bit more security. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: salaswba on August 06, 2016, 10:54:35 PM
Long time watcher, first time poster.... my biggest fear is the damage has now been done; I think players, particularly attacking players, are already put off signing for us due to our 'style', which is one of the reasons we are struggling getting decent recruits in. In appointing TP the club underestimated the long term damage in perception of us from players' points of view. He needs to go now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2016, 10:55:29 PM
Loose the first two games which is highly likely and he's toast
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on August 06, 2016, 11:41:20 PM
We will never be a good team with our Midfield,not including Morrison and Phillips in this,but some of this team wouldn't get a in a decent Championship team.

Fletcher and Yacob in same team together most games,no matter who is the opposition,then we also have Gardner and McClean,if you was a Prem Manager,would you honestly sign any of these players,to improve your team ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 06, 2016, 11:52:20 PM
The man simply has to go.
Squad isn't great but I still think a better coach could yield better reaults.
We don't know how to attack score or win games- we try not to lose. Even in pre season we haven't tried to win games!

He should have gone back end of last year. 1 win in 10 games at end of last season and 6 goals. We struggled to score agaiabt numerous lower legue sides in cup as well.

Even with my quiet optimism after tek takeover I know whilst Pulis remains it's going to be the same turgid stuff weekly.


Pulis out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 07, 2016, 12:06:54 AM
I respect the job he does , nobody better at saving clubs in desperate trouble ( as we were) but we seem to be sliding backwards under him. Personally think its a matter of time now.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on August 07, 2016, 12:10:06 AM
Quote from: divinewind on August 06, 2016, 05:19:47 PM
Those in China who remembered us in 78 will think, WTF happened?

Ha ha ha! Absolute quality.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on August 07, 2016, 01:05:54 AM
For someone whose only focus is on organising a defence, he doesn't seem to be able to organise a defence...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 07, 2016, 01:20:30 AM
I will fully reserve judgement until a few games in but the signs really are very poor indeed. Just hope we can produce something early on but it'll be blind faith will realistically only Rondon to lead up front.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 07, 2016, 01:47:57 AM
If we get off to a poor start and carry on from where we left off last season I think he will be sacked by October. Time will tell.

I keep reading of the need for a wide player. striker and left back but for me we are crying out for a central midfield driving force to link play. I have no idea if TP is actively seeking this kind of player. Morrison is the only one that fits the bill but I have never been entirely convinced about him and think we could find much better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on August 07, 2016, 04:01:01 AM
Fans are not going to put up with the type of dross served up for much of last year. I bet that top of the new chairman's priority list is not new players but a new manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 07, 2016, 05:35:10 AM
The term has been used many times but I believe the next 3 weeks decisions will become a watershed for our club. I pray the new hierarchy know that the problem is TP and not the solution. Current players cannot enjoy the style they are asked to play, and we will struggle big time to attract quality players. Without significant player investment we will be for the drop, the current crop are hardly better in my view than the team that last got promotion. Unfortunately my guess is that JP has recommended TP as short term security to the new boss, Sorry for the doom and gloom but am not alone in dreading this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 07, 2016, 06:48:16 AM
Quote from: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 07, 2016, 05:35:10 AM
The term has been used many times but I believe the next 3 weeks decisions will become a watershed for our club. I pray the new hierarchy know that the problem is TP and not the solution. Current players cannot enjoy the style they are asked to play, and we will struggle big time to attract quality players. Without significant player investment we will be for the drop, the current crop are hardly better in my view than the team that last got promotion. Unfortunately my guess is that JP has recommended TP as short term security to the new boss, Sorry for the doom and gloom but am not alone in dreading this season.

The new regime are business men, which means they will be looking for a return on their investment.
To achieve that end it means they will want to stay in the Prem, so I wouldn't expect dramatic changes if I were you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 07, 2016, 07:35:55 AM
in the majority of teams pulis sends out it will consist of 7 defensive players, its not rocket science to expect a lack of attacking play then. until he shifts his thinking towards a balance of 6 defensive and 5 attacking players nothing will change. why its taken the club so long to get a proper left back and an attacking box to box midfielder baffles me, its needed both for years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 07, 2016, 08:13:41 AM
Pulis plays to a system that works for him and would be foolish not to continue to do so, to expect him to gamble and change that system is, in my opinion, unrealistic. How many other managers have a style of football named after them?
The suggestion that I have seen is that he has made himself indispensable with the squad he has assembled. Will it ever get any better with him leading the way?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 07, 2016, 08:34:12 AM
The thing with Pulis has always been 'he gets results'. When he stops getting results , there is nothing left really.

He has a lot less goodwill from fans than some other managers when we go through barren spells as a result of how we play , which you could argue shows he doesn't really care what is important to fans or at least that his mind numbing way of dragging down games to get results  is more important than anything else to him.

I've turned now as you might have guessed. He has no long term future here . Let him do what he needs in this transfer window to stabilise the season and then get rid by Christmas perhaps to give a new man the January window and the second half of the season to get to know the players.

He's done what was needed but the thought of him for much longer is hard to bear, it's becoming painful.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sarniabaggie on August 07, 2016, 08:50:42 AM
Football is a simple game over complicated by people like Pulis.  The squad is an ageing group of players who are better than Pulis allows them to be.

Pulis can do better, he must do better. The lack of goals or even shots on target speaks volumes. Pulis does not understand the concept, the simple concept of being a winner.  To be a winner you have to have a winning mentality, Pulis has one mentality and that is not a winning one, he does not want to lose at any cost, that is his first and last thought.  That is no good for us.

Nothing has changed since his arrival, he has to be on borrowed time.  Pulis needs to grow a pair and let the players have the freedom to express themselves or we will have to face the unthinkable come May next year. It matters not one jot and counts for nothing the fact Pulis has never been relegated before.

If I was the new owners I would be scouting who was available now, because Pulis has to be near theend of his time with this once traditionally exciting footballing club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 07, 2016, 08:56:29 AM
I think it's fairly safe to say that Pulis does not have the support of many, Mr Lai and John Williams will now have a very easy way of getting fans onside.

I definitely feel this is the beginning of the end of the Pulis era.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on August 07, 2016, 09:51:35 AM
Speaking as a ST holder it's definitely time for Pulis to go. Simply because it's just too annoying and boring to watch. This will soon, very soon, say Everton or boro at home come to a head and the atmosphere will be awful and full of vitriol against him.
Before people say it's not his fault we've only signed one player while actually it's clear that it is. This is because he'll only generally sign British players that he knows, and even then they have to be of a certain height. Which means that Hammond and the scouts must be tearing their hair out when he ignores all the recommendations put infront of him.
4 draws and 5 defeats in the last 9 competitive games, Albion managers have lost their jobs for stats like that.
We will not progress under him and this record of his never relegating a club is there to be broken. Thing is that he's so proud of this it compounds the way we play.If it looked like we were going down and he was still in charge he would walk out citing lack of support from Hammond/Williams etc.. just to protect his record. Yes he would so bearing that in mind it would be best to part company now whilst there's 3+ weeks to get 5 new players and a new manager in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 07, 2016, 10:04:30 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2016, 10:44:53 PM
The good news is williams has power and it's not his money

The bad news he isn't trigger happy. I too feel his time is up last year was terrible. Who replaces him him though? We're running out of time this window
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RICH ONE on August 07, 2016, 10:18:21 AM
When the Manager loses a large percentage of his supporters there is only one ending.

With new owners aboard it is time for a fresh start and the time is right to make the change of Head Coach.

The club needs to be united again ready for the new season but with Pulis. at the helm the atmosphere is only going to get worse until someone pulls the trigger.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on August 07, 2016, 11:05:40 AM
When you set a team up like he does you have no attacking intent.
It doesn't matter who plays upfront we create very little from open play. For me you can take fletcher and yacob in midfield neither has any pace or the ability to beat a man. By not playing proper full backs your wide men get little support and the quality of MacLean and mcmanaman is really poor. Couple that with a defence where our best centre half is now playing full back means clean sheets are also becoming a rare event.
Peace has gone hopefully pulis isn't far behind him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 07, 2016, 11:09:24 AM
Went on the OS to look what season tickets were left by my old seat, there were as many empties at the top of the Brummie road end as there were full ones- speaks volumes of the Pulis regime. Football lacking excitement quality and ambition the stadium will in turn lack bums on seats and the atmosphere will continue being church like as it has been for the last 3-4 years

Never been relegated yet. Tbis year if he stays in chRge that record will go
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2016, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 07, 2016, 10:04:30 AM
The bad news he isn't trigger happy. I too feel his time is up last year was terrible. Who replaces him him though? We're running out of time this window
due to site rules we can't answer who replaces him, go to transfermarkt and check available managers to see who's available.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 07, 2016, 12:58:42 PM
400 pages of posts! He sure has generated comments.

When Pulis arrived he was exactly what we needed.  Grinding out results and getting points on the board.  Now, 60/70 games later he is grinding out hope and everyone is getting very bored.

I would happily see him go as soon as we have a good replacement lined up.  However, I'm not sure whether the right man is out there. No one name jumps out. Maybe Martinez, but that would require such a change of mind set (and probably personnel) and I'm not certain we want to make that leap in one bound.

We have quite a generous set of opening fixtures but, judging from friendlies and the end of last season, I don't think we'll get much out of them.  It's a missed opportunity.

I don't think I've been looking forward to seeing the back of a manager so much since... Irvine. Now he was completely inadequate!  (When I started that sentence I thought I was going to say Gould!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 07, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
I've defended TP up to now because he's done what he's done with a limited budget. Although Guochuan Lai has promised a steady development, I think it's fair to say that we would be disappointed, if the quality of player being brought into the FC didn't improve. If that were the case, I would expect TP to play a different game.

I still think there would still be a defensive/protectionist strategy, but the transition from defense to attack would be more positive.
I suspect that's what he's been trialing during pre-season, & that's probably why the results haven't gone for us, because the synergy's not there yet, but it will be.
I also think, there's a couple of key players to come on board to really make it happen. I'm really hopeful for 2016/17 season.

For what it's worth, because TP, or our Head Coach to be more precise, is such a key part in the success or failure of Guochuan Lai's venture, it's inconceivable, that the HC & his team will not have carried out a presentation on the direction the FC is going. Including naming targeted players in key positions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2016, 01:18:49 PM
Quote from: Mr Cynical on August 07, 2016, 12:58:42 PM
400 pages of posts! He sure has generated comments.

When Pulis arrived he was exactly what we needed.  Grinding out results and getting points on the board.  Now, 60/70 games later he is grinding out hope and everyone is getting very bored.

I would happily see him go as soon as we have a good replacement lined up.  However, I'm not sure whether the right man is out there. No one name jumps out. Maybe Martinez, but that would require such a change of mind set (and probably personnel) and I'm not certain we want to make that leap in one bound.

We have quite a generous set of opening fixtures but, judging from friendlies and the end of last season, I don't think we'll get much out of them.  It's a missed opportunity.

I don't think I've been looking forward to seeing the back of a manager so much since... Irvine. Now he was completely inadequate!  (When I started that sentence I thought I was going to say Gould!)
just as an example of "similar but different", there is ex- Shalke boss Andre Breitenreiter
http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/07/15/tactical-philosophy-andre-breitenreiter/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 07, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 07, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
I've defended TP up to now because he's done what he's done with a limited budget. Although Guochuan Lai has promised a steady development, I think it's fair to say that we would be disappointed, if the quality of player being brought into the FC didn't improve. If that were the case, I would expect TP to play a different game.

I still think there would still be a defensive/protectionist strategy, but the transition from defense to attack would be more positive.
I suspect that's what he's been trialing during pre-season, & that's probably why the results haven't gone for us, because the synergy's not there yet, but it will be.
I also think, there's a couple of key players to come on board to really make it happen. I'm really hopeful for 2016/17 season.

For what it's worth, because TP, or our Head Coach to be more precise, is such a key part in the success or failure of Guochuan Lai's venture, it's inconceivable, that the HC & his team will not have carried out a presentation on the direction the FC is going. Including naming targeted players in key positions.

I would like to believe that but there really is no evidence of this. For the whole of last season and this pre season, not forgetting his time at other clubs, this man does not know another way. People might say oh but look at what he did at crystal palace but honestly thats clutching at straws a bit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2016, 01:25:58 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 07, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
I would like to believe that but there really is no evidence of this. For the whole of last season and this pre season, not forgetting his time at other clubs, this man does not know another way. People might say oh but look at what he did at crystal palace but honestly thats clutching at straws a bit.
that and Crystal P alace were offensively good anyway. all he did was teach them to defend/ stick everyone in front of the ball in the teams goal area because they easily had the speed to counterattack and he never had the time to really ruin that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 07, 2016, 01:53:53 PM
I echo a lot of what has been said over the past few days.

Managers futures shouldn’t be decided on preseason results but sadly what we have seen confirms what a lot of us feared – nothing will change.

Now in Pulis defence (no pun intended) he is still working with mainly the same group of players as last season, however he has had three transfer windows prior to this one so he has played a big part shaping this squad with his signings and decisions where to play people (or in some cases not at all)

This window has been a strange one as it would seem since end of June the takeover was ready to go so that probably has held business up, my concern would be i dont think it matters who Pulis brings in, we will still be the same, i think he could buy the whole of Barcelona and we would still adopt the same approach.

Every player eventually gets shoehorned into the way we play, i worry that in six months time, Leko will not be showing that bit of flair and skill but instead will become a hardworking wideman whose first job is to cover his full back.

I dont hate Pulis, far from it, i respect the job he has done and think if he went now, whoever comes in has a solid, organised, disciplined group to work on, he did it at Stoke, he did it at Palace, he has done it for us and he did it for clubs prior to it, he was exactly what we needed, he has stabilised us but we are standing still and if you stand still eventually you move backwards. If Pulis went now he could walk away knowing he did a good job and come November time another premier league club will come for him, he can command big money and he will stabilise them too, its a skill what he does, its not luck but there comes a point where he reaches his limit and i think he has with us.

Those saying give him another year because of the uncertainty, it doesn’t really make much difference, we are a established premier league club now, we have hit that target, thats one of the reason we have been taken over. We could be three years further down the line and probably we will still be finishing between 17th and 12th, thats what Pulis does.

Our owner has said he wants to be building becoming a tophalf team, thats a good ambition, he knows we wont win the champions league in three seasons, our next aim should be top half / europa, then see what happens and maybe aim higher than that, the problem is Pulis isn’t a top half of the table manager and history says that.

The squad needs freshening up, i think certain players – Dawson, Macauley, Mclean and Gardner he gets the maximum performance out of, he deserves credit for that, a lot of the other players i think can offer more, we have big name, well paid, internationals who have won stuff and i think our approach games with the most basic of intentions, they are better than that and should be pushed harder (not all of them, some aren’t good enough)

If we buy 3,4,5, 6 players with Pulis in charge they will be drilled into how the system works instead of utilising what made us buy them in the first place, i know players who have been coached by Pulis and they said everyday its just repeating the drills until its spot on, again to a certain point thats fine but we need to be pushing on from that and be more adventurous, we aren’t going to be some new football miracle but i think we can be a lot more positive.

We are about to start a new era and i would hope for a more progressive manager who is given the chance to buy players rather than Pulis, i think it was Fergie who once said that you base the way you play on the players you have got, we do the opposite, we have one style of play and no matter who the player is and what they do, they have to play the same way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 07, 2016, 05:19:49 PM
I can remember, early in the Pulis reign, he stated that the transition from defence to attack was a key area he had to improve. 3 transfer windows later... Still waiting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on August 07, 2016, 07:25:46 PM
Rumours circulating that he will be sacked tommorow. JUST A RUMOUR.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 07, 2016, 07:27:50 PM
The rumour is on Facebook from "Sons of Albion".

Edit... I live in hope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 07, 2016, 07:28:34 PM
Quote from: gazberg on August 07, 2016, 07:25:46 PM
Rumours circulating that he will be sacked tommorow. JUST A RUMOUR.

Well if John Williams watch that lacklustre performance yesterday I wouldn't be surprised. I also think the players realise he's vulnerable. If he goes we need a pretty instant replacement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on August 07, 2016, 07:30:29 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 07, 2016, 07:27:50 PM
The rumour is on Facebook from "Sons of Albion".

Edit... I live in hope.

Seen that and also heard from a few other baggies too before it went up on there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 07:33:50 PM
Would mean it's gone from a promising takeover to a Venky style one.

Crazy if true,  which I don't for a minute believe it is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 07, 2016, 07:40:58 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 07:33:50 PM
Would mean it's gone from a promising takeover to a Venky style one.

Crazy if true,  which I don't for a minute believe it is.

I'm not sure how crazy it is. John Williams is very, very experienced and he had no record of knee-jerk managerial changes. In fact at Blackburn he was very solid. Keeping Pulis doesn't guarantee anything and losing the fans is going to make for a horrible atmosphere at the Hawthorns. We need new vision and energy. Pulls is the last of his style in the Premiership. He needs to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2016, 07:42:52 PM
Pulis is/ was ideal for Jeremy Peace so whether he goes tomorrow or not I don't expect him to be around much longer as I would hope the aim of the club now might be a bit more than just avoiding the drop.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on August 07, 2016, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: Mr Cynical on August 07, 2016, 05:19:49 PM
I can remember, early in the Pulis reign, he stated that the transition from defence to attack was a key area he had to improve. 3 transfer windows later... Still waiting.

I dont think this has been all Pulis, hes almost had to buy one piece at a time due.

That said perhaps he doesnt fit our new plans different chairman new views etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2016, 07:54:24 PM
You'd think with Jeremy Peace staying as an adviser there'd be a good chance Pulis will be staying
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 07, 2016, 07:57:09 PM
I hope the rumour is true, but that is not a knee jerk reaction.  The deal was agreed 6 weeks ago, that's plenty of time for Williams to find the right guy and get him lined up. If it's part of a strategy then great!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 07, 2016, 07:57:32 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 07, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
I would like to believe that but there really is no evidence of this. For the whole of last season and this pre season, not forgetting his time at other clubs, this man does not know another way. People might say oh but look at what he did at crystal palace but honestly thats clutching at straws a bit.

The most important bit is the last sentence, Pulis don't need to convince me & you, but he does need to convince the guy who's just spent between £150 &£200 million buying the business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 07, 2016, 08:01:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 07:33:50 PM
Would mean it's gone from a promising takeover to a Venky style one.

Crazy if true,  which I don't for a minute believe it is.
Would also go against everything the new owner has stated , can't see it unless Pulis himself wants out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 07, 2016, 08:07:18 PM
Quote from: MarkW on August 07, 2016, 07:54:24 PM
You'd think with Jeremy Peace staying as an adviser there'd be a good chance Pulis will be staying

Interestingly I heard this weekend that Peace wanted Pulis out but was asked to hold fire by the new regime.

As previously stated, what better way to get the fans onside with the new owners and chairman by getting rid of a manager who is mostly detested by our supporters...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on August 07, 2016, 08:11:05 PM
cant see it no way , if after say 10 games then I can see pulis getting sacked if we aint playing well and winning games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 07, 2016, 08:13:41 PM
The only way this could be true is if they have somebody set-up. I would not be surprised. New owner almost always brings new coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2016, 08:17:52 PM
I am very skeptical about the rumour of his demise

Firstly it pretty much flies in the face of everything that was said two days ago. Secondly I just don't think this is in John Williams make up.

If the rumour that Pulis is to quit then I would be more inclined to believe it because I seem to remember that it was reported that he had a break clause in his contract if the club was taken over.

If and at this stage it is a massive if he has been sacked there had better be a plan or Jacko is right we are in danger of slipping into Venkey territory here   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on August 07, 2016, 08:20:00 PM
Get the impression there's been a meeting between Pulis and the board- maybe they've clashed on transfer policy/players?

That said, I think the only way we would get rid of TP this week is if we've already got the nod from a solid coach like Hodgson?

I've always said if Pulis thinks we're in the rubbish he will walk- if he deems this squad not good enough and can't get his players in, he won' risk his 'never relegated' reputation and he'll wind up somewhere like Hull.


Tricky one. I think the squad looks aged and horrific though so we might as well roll the dice because even TP might struggle to keep this lot up again.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 08:22:45 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 07, 2016, 08:07:18 PM
Interestingly I heard this weekend that Peace wanted Pulis out but was asked to hold fire by the new regime.

As previously stated, what better way to get the fans onside with the new owners and chairman by getting rid of a manager who is mostly detested by our supporters...

Indeed what better way to get a one dimensional squad relegated than by sacking a guarantee of Premier League football because a vocal portion of fans are unhappy with the style of play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: shortybaggies on August 07, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
I hate to make this an example but the Wolves lads said they back Kenny when they took over and he went in the blink of an eye. I'm just hoping IF a sacking happens, an appointment isn't made with the Wulf's 'Pick a player from my nineties sticker album' technique.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2016, 08:25:10 PM
Until there is confirmation please refrain from discussing new managers, we have never allowed it and we won't now. Posts will be removed or edited.

Not censorship just respect to someone still in a job
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 07, 2016, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 08:22:45 PM
Indeed what better way to get a one dimensional squad relegated than by sacking a guarantee of Premier League football because a vocal portion of fans are unhappy with the style of play.

Who built that one dimensional squad?

Whether it's tomorrow or next May, he has to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2016, 08:26:31 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 07, 2016, 08:25:42 PM
Who built that one dimensional squad?

Whether it's tomorrow or next May, he has to go.

A number of people over a number of years
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 07, 2016, 08:26:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 08:22:45 PM
Indeed what better way to get a one dimensional squad relegated than by sacking a guarantee of Premier League football because a vocal portion of fans are unhappy with the style of play.

Not every potential new manager = relegation even with this squad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 07, 2016, 08:25:42 PM
Who built that one dimensional squad?

Whether it's tomorrow or next May, he has to go.

Irvine.

Next May is fine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 07, 2016, 08:32:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 08:27:10 PM
Irvine.

Next May is fine.

Irvine? The man had two and a half less transfer windows than your pal Tony has had, but okay mate. ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on August 07, 2016, 08:34:51 PM
If he was sacked I think we'd be staring down the barrel of the gun big time with the team we have, in saying that I'd still rather us sack him, the thought of watching another 90 minutes of his paint drying football makes me want to rip my eyes out. I'm genuinely questioning my sanity for getting a ticket to the Everton game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 08:48:54 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 07, 2016, 08:32:54 PM
Irvine? The man had two and a half less transfer windows than your pal Tony has had, but okay mate. ::)

Tiresome but still... Pocognoli Gamboa Wisdom (a defender so bad Pulis wanted nothing to do with and converted Dawson to rightback) Gardner (his biggest crime).

Who are the Pulis players causing a problem? McManaman, Lambert and possibly McClean (but at 1.5 million a success).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2016, 08:56:46 PM
I think the sack rumour is wishful thinking by those who want Pulis gone.

In terms of pre-season, he has roughly achieved 'job done' and has a record of 3 losses, 3 wins and 1 draw, so not terrible in that respect.

I do genuinely believe that if he starts the season poorly then say after 5-10 games he could be gone, but it's still far too early.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2016, 08:56:58 PM
If we'd strengthen the squad I'd be slightly more ok with getting rid. As it is, I'm not sure we have enough quality. We would be venturing into the unknown with 6 days to go until the start of the season. With our opening fixtures, we need a strong start to keep us clear of trouble, and then maybe we will grow in confidence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 07, 2016, 08:58:54 PM
Would love it if he went, just love it. But the timing isn't right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2016, 09:04:45 PM
I don't buy and never will buy the line that only Pulis can save us. My only hesitation in welcoming the "news" of his demise with open arms is right now is a hugely disruptive moment to ship out a manager unless the new owners have got a replacement lined up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 07, 2016, 09:07:13 PM
Just lumped on Pulis next Premium manager to go @ 5/2 skybet

Lots of Twitter folk itk saying he's gone tomorrow.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 07, 2016, 09:14:23 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 08:48:54 PM
Tiresome but still... Pocognoli Gamboa Wisdom (a defender so bad Pulis wanted nothing to do with and converted Dawson to rightback) Gardner (his biggest crime).

Who are the Pulis players causing a problem? McManaman, Lambert and possibly McClean (but at 1.5 million a success).

Tiresome but three (two if you assume Gardner was signed before Irvine joined) of the squad were brought in by Irvine and 8 recruited by Pulis. Clearly it is Irvines squad still. ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 07, 2016, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2016, 08:26:31 PM
A number of people over a number of years
Pulis signed half of them and handed another bunch of them new contracts.  4 transfer windows in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 07, 2016, 09:18:14 PM
Might not be sacked.

Might walk as part of a 'mutual agreement'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2016, 09:21:57 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 07, 2016, 09:16:41 PM
Pulis signed half of them and handed another bunch of them new contracts.  4 transfer windows in.

But was still stuck with some deadwood signed before him that he was and is unable to shift.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 07, 2016, 09:22:40 PM
I neither want or expect him to be sacked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 09:29:46 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 07, 2016, 09:14:23 PM
Tiresome but three (two if you assume Gardner was signed before Irvine joined) of the squad were brought in by Irvine and 8 recruited by Pulis. Clearly it is Irvines squad still. ::)

8 what?  Players? Evans Rondon Fletcher are successes 2 of them are our most important players aside from Foster...

Even someone as pedantic as yourself can see that the presence of Pocognoli and Gamboa are holding us back?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 07, 2016, 09:30:07 PM
Pulis won't walk, he needs the money post Palace lawsuit.

If he's been sacked or is leaving "mutually" then it must only be if Albion have a replacement lined up or it's a horrible decision and with Williams in charge I can't see that.

I don't think he's going. If he is, we've someone very good lined up..... So... Pulis to stay then?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 07, 2016, 09:32:39 PM
be very surprised if he's been sacked, never liked his style  and never will but was hoping more than expecting that with some better quality creative players we could improve. but my head tells me that he will never change and I understand why he sticks to a formula that's served him well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 07, 2016, 09:34:08 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 09:29:46 PM
8 what?  Players? Evans Rondon Fletcher are successes 2 of them are our most important players aside from Foster...

Even someone as pedantic as yourself can see that the presence of Pocognoli and Gamboa are holding us back?

8 players signed by Pulis and you can only count 3 as successes. Says it all.

...and one of them is constantly played out of position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on August 07, 2016, 09:40:35 PM
As it stands I think we'll be relegated with or without Pulis. Therefore I'd be over the moon if he was gone tomorrow as long as a decent replacement is already lined up.

Can't see it happening though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 07, 2016, 09:40:52 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on August 07, 2016, 09:30:07 PM
Pulis won't walk, he needs the money post Palace lawsuit.

If he's been sacked or is leaving "mutually" then it must only be if Albion have a replacement lined up or it's a horrible decision and with Williams in charge I can't see that.

I don't think he's going. If he is, we've someone very good lined up..... So... Pulis to stay then?!

Wasn't the money he's meant to give back just the money he got from the pay off? (Genuine question) Doubt he struggling for money and he knows he will get another job - Hull, Cardiff, Villa etc. Just wait around for a biggish team to struggle early on..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2016, 09:50:13 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 07, 2016, 09:40:52 PM
Wasn't the money he's meant to give back just the money he got from the pay off? (Genuine question) Doubt he struggling for money and he knows he will get another job - Hull, Cardiff, Villa etc. Just wait around for a biggish team to struggle early on..

It was the original payment plus a very large legal fees bill and a hefty fine the details of which are further up the thread. Going now with a pay-off might suit him because it leaves his reputation as a survival specialist intact and at some point a distressed club will be desperate enough to press the Pulisball button
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 07, 2016, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 07, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
I've defended TP up to now because he's done what he's done with a limited budget. Although Guochuan Lai has promised a steady development, I think it's fair to say that we would be disappointed, if the quality of player being brought into the FC didn't improve. If that were the case, I would expect TP to play a different game.

I still think there would still be a defensive/protectionist strategy, but the transition from defense to attack would be more positive.
I suspect that's what he's been trialing during pre-season, & that's probably why the results haven't gone for us, because the synergy's not there yet, but it will be.
I also think, there's a couple of key players to come on board to really make it happen. I'm really hopeful for 2016/17 season.

For what it's worth, because TP, or our Head Coach to be more precise, is such a key part in the success or failure of Guochuan Lai's venture, it's inconceivable, that the HC & his team will not have carried out a presentation on the direction the FC is going. Including naming targeted players in key positions.
Good post. I continue to support him for the same reasons . I think the new owner will stick with TP for now in order to maintain our status. The only other I would trust to do that at the moment is Roy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on August 07, 2016, 10:14:28 PM
If the new owners want to invest in the squad, it may be easier with a different manager. I believe there are players out there who wouldn't sign for Pulis.

Have been against the appointment of Pulis from day one and would love a change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on August 07, 2016, 10:22:56 PM
Think his style of football attracts a certain type of player....I just don't understand how we are going to go into this season without a recognise left back...even TP put that at the top of his priory list..surely there was a player out there who would have fit the bill ?..he does seem to like to put square pegs into round holes..occasionally that works but in the long run it doesn't ..also think that no matter how the fans feel it doesn't matter to him..he is there soley to please his boss and shareholders...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 07, 2016, 10:39:00 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 09:29:46 PM
8 what?  Players? Evans Rondon Fletcher are successes 2 of them are our most important players aside from Foster...

Even someone as pedantic as yourself can see that the presence of Pocognoli and Gamboa are holding us back?

The discussion was about the current squad and who assembled it. You chose to blame Irvine (you do that for most things in your support of Pulis), you are wrong.  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 07, 2016, 10:39:53 PM
If he was going, media would have leaked it by now.

Tony is no mug. He'd have put his spin on it and sent word to hi mate John Percy at the Telegraph.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zac on August 07, 2016, 10:52:05 PM
I want him gone just as much as most people but sacking him now would be stupid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2016, 11:25:31 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 07, 2016, 10:39:53 PM
If he was going, media would have leaked it by now.

Tony is no mug. He'd have put his spin on it and sent word to hi mate John Percy at the Telegraph.

Agree, Pulis knows how to play the media. He seems more 'connected' than some of our previous managers and would have leaked some kind of PR tidbit by now - so with this in mind I think he's staying for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 07, 2016, 10:39:00 PM
The discussion was about the current squad and who assembled it. You chose to blame Irvine (you do that for most things in your support of Pulis), you are wrong.  :P

Not really you've just shown up again without any preamble and trolled me. Apologies to the rest of the forum for falling for the same modus operandi two years later...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 08, 2016, 05:05:57 AM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on August 07, 2016, 10:39:53 PM
If he was going, media would have leaked it by now.

Tony is no mug. He'd have put his spin on it and sent word to hi mate John Percy at the Telegraph.
I was just thinking he doesn't seem to have made any sort of public statement about the takeover? Not even the usual platitudes about looking forward to meeting the new chairman and/or owner and discussing the future course of the 'football club'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on August 08, 2016, 05:21:41 AM
Cant see him walking away!. Cost him too much money at Palace. Sacking him now unless the club have somebody already lined up would be a mistake. He came in and did a job but long term with the new owners he does not have a future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 08, 2016, 06:42:09 AM
Maybe the club understand and even share what seems to be the majority of fan's view on Pulis now? Other than a few people who still support him fully, on here , it seems we're only debating when he should leave? My thoughts were always to keep him til his contract expires next summer and say thanks but no thanks. However, new owners, Hammond is new, Williams is new, we will (hopefully) spend big on 4 or 5 players . I'm coming round to the idea that perhaps changing soon wouldn't be such a catastrophe. Pulis prepares players very well physically in pee season so whoever followed would benefit from that. The players may also have been asked what they think - Pulis was not popular at Stoke at the end apparently and the way we finished the season and have looked in pre season , you wonder whether something is wrong other than style and approach?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 08, 2016, 07:15:32 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2016, 11:46:48 PM
Not really you've just shown up again without any preamble and trolled me. Apologies to the rest of the forum for falling for the same modus operandi two years later...
Football seasons starting.  ;)
You still seem to be blaming Irvine for stuff four transfer windows later and not accepting Pulis has any responsibility.  If Morrison and Brunt are still our best players  ;) what has Pulis done to move us forward?
Apologies to the rest of the forum for disagreeing with Jacko.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 08, 2016, 07:20:09 AM
I think it's quite simple at this moment in time regarding Pulis; we need him and he needs us. As much as I'd like to see a new manager with a bit more style we just don't really have the squad for it and Pulis will squeeze the most out of our average players. We so probably have 3 or 4 that would flourish under fresher management but we have more players that need Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on August 08, 2016, 07:33:26 AM
A telling statement from the new owner was that he wants to grow the popularity of the club globally, especially in China.


There is no way on earth that is going to happen if we continue to churn out the dross Pulis serves up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 08, 2016, 07:43:20 AM
Quote from: lewisant on August 08, 2016, 07:20:09 AM
I think it's quite simple at this moment in time regarding Pulis; we need him and he needs us. As much as I'd like to see a new manager with a bit more style we just don't really have the squad for it and Pulis will squeeze the most out of our average players. We so probably have 3 or 4 that would flourish under fresher management but we have more players that need Pulis.

I've thought this until very recently but I've learned from the Brexit debate now! I don't think the sky will fall in if Pulis leaves, yes there would be some upheaval initially but I think it's a risk worth taking if (big if) the club go for an ambitious appointment to reinvigorate the players and fans. The key would be who would come in of course. With investment (4 or  more quality players) , this squad could be improved overnight and someone else may get more out of Pulis' so far failed signings of Chester, CMc ( I think Lambert is beyond help ) and freshen up the midfield which has looked neglected and lost for a while now.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2016, 08:48:25 AM
An important question with regard to should he stay or should he go now debate is whether messrs Lai and Williams want to give Pulis a large wadge of cash to spend between now and the end of August? Like us, Williams will know that Pulis's approach and style of play doesn't change regardless of how much money he's given to spend. Stoke never changed during his time there and the way they played came to be completely reviled by fans of other clubs (and even Stoke fans eventually), so I don't buy these "he'd change if only he had some better players...." views, because he's never done that in the past. We've tried nothing different in pre-season, just added a few youngsters into the mix with the rest of it being the same mind-numbing approach as ever. Kemp has twice said that we're trying to improve our attacking play, but there's been no sign of it at all. I don't see what he can say now after the Mallorca game, as he would completely lose any credibility he has if he (or any of the coaching staff for that matter) repeated the same thing.

He's also never finished in the top half of the Premier League - what he stands for is mediocrity and drudgery, so he's not the manager you need if you want anything more than that, and hopefully Lai does.

I don't accept at all that Pulis the only manager who can keep us up - I'm sure our usual policy of the club identifying the viable transfer targets and the manager identifying which he'd be happy with remains intact, so someone else being brought in before the bulk of our transfer are done woulf give the new incumbent the chance to have the same input. Wait until a couple of months down the line and a new manager would be stuck with the squad until January. Pulis also doesn't guarantee keeping us up. With a manager who's incapable of anything other than a bottom half finish, there's always a possibility of ending up in the bottom 3.

Therefore, I would regard it as an opportunity and a reason for great excitement if Pulis goes now, but I suspect he won't, unfortunately, although it is curious that there hasn't been a peep out of any of the coaching staff (that I've seen) since the Mallorca game, although that's probably due to the game being at 8.00pm on a Saturday evening with everyone travelling home, and having a day off I would imagine, on the Sunday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 08, 2016, 08:52:32 AM
What i dont understand is why people think we need another season of Pulis stability.

18 months ago when he came in, he was what we needed, after two unusual managers before him, he came in, steadied the ship, kept us up.

Last season was supposedly stay in the league in whatever way possible because of the new TV money, again he did his job and kept us up.

Where do you draw the line, there is never a good time to go down so in theory if Pulis guarentees you staying in the league every season you may as well just keep him permanent, he will always do a certain job.

We all know we need a number of new players, If we had just signed 5 or 6 players who Pulis wanted then i could understand maybe another season with him as it becomes more and more his squad then.

However we havent, we have signed 1 player, with maybe 5 or 6 players needed, now would be the time to let a new manager come in and buy them and start putting his own stamp on the team, otherwise if we are looking at replacing Pulis in twelve months time anyway whoever comes in is going to have a squad full of Pulis players who have been drilled into the Pulis system.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 08, 2016, 08:59:02 AM
The question of whether we spend big now with Pulis at the helm to continue "more of the same" or whether we back a new manager to take us forward, is the key one.  If Pulis is to go soon, for example next summer at the end of his contract, does it make sense to spend heavily on "his" type of player?

I also worry that no player with any flair will even consider coming here under Pulis.  It certainly cannot be helping with our recruitment.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on August 08, 2016, 09:10:21 AM
I cant see Pulis going yet, if after 10 games we are not doing well and there is a poisonous atmosphere then I can see him going

Football is a funny old game though so I'm never surprised
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 08, 2016, 09:24:37 AM
As I have said many times I never wanted Pulis and wont shed a tear when he goes, but to get rid now would be a disaster IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 08, 2016, 09:26:57 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on August 08, 2016, 08:59:02 AM
The question of whether we spend big now with Pulis at the helm to continue "more of the same" or whether we back a new manager to take us forward, is the key one.  If Pulis is to go soon, for example next summer at the end of his contract, does it make sense to spend heavily on "his" type of player?

I also worry that no player with any flair will even consider coming here under Pulis.  It certainly cannot be helping with our recruitment.

If the powers that be have question marks about TP then I agree they won't want to spend a lot on transfers and who knows it might be a contributory factor for our lack of transfer dealings up to now. I also agree that TP will never change his approach to games so sanctioning money for players he likes may not be a good idea and suite the next manager, if his position is on the line.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 08, 2016, 09:47:47 AM
We're into day 3 of being acquired by a man who knows very little about football, & even less about the Premier League. He has appointed a CEO who has been on the periphery of the game for a number of years. They will have a list of replacements as long as your arm won't they? (NOT).

If you're investing up to £200 million in a football club, you're going to ensure that the man responsible for providing the football is at least capable of maintaining your PL status, while you get an understanding of the game.

On that basis, I'd say that TP is pretty safe at the minute, dependent, of course, on performance. If relegation does look a possibility, then I've no doubt he'll be gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on August 08, 2016, 09:53:07 AM
Maybe Pulis will be told tactfully by Williams that if he wants a further contract he'll have to loosen up a bit?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 08, 2016, 10:03:55 AM
Keeping Pulis for another year is just kicking the can down the road. A bit like the new contracts for McAuley and Olsson. We need change and need it soon. I'd rather it was done now rather than letting Pulis waste £50m on players to suit his style and then having another rejig of the squad under a new man.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 08, 2016, 10:15:47 AM
Quote from: mulliganstired on August 08, 2016, 09:53:07 AM
Maybe Pulis will be told tactfully by Williams that if he wants a further contract he'll have to loosen up a bit?

If Pulis isn't given a new contract soon then this sends a clear message he isn't in the owners long term plans. In other words he's a 'dead man walking'. Wouldn't this be almost as bad as getting rid of him now - maybe worse as we're not in control of replacing him. Clarke suffered a bit from this towards the end. Add into the mix Pulis is a manager on borrowed time who already isn't liked by fans unlike Clarke who still had plenty off goodwill from the season before.  It would surely end in tears anyway , Pulis would be off at the first half decent job offer anyway!

Therefore , either the club give him a contract extension soon or replace him. The middle ground won't help.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 08, 2016, 10:36:21 AM
Should have got rid of him before the start of last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 08, 2016, 11:04:28 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 08, 2016, 10:36:21 AM
Should have got rid of him before the start of last season.

and we probably would have been on TV yesterday.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2016, 11:07:51 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on August 08, 2016, 11:04:28 AM
and we probably would have been on TV yesterday.......

Charity shield?  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 08, 2016, 11:11:14 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on August 08, 2016, 11:07:51 AM
Charity shield?  :D

I wish!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 08, 2016, 11:16:02 AM
I think we're in a position where he is either given a new contract for multiple years or he goes. He will lose the players quite quickly if they think he's doomed. And we will lose momentum. Really worried we're about to become this years Villa. The whole club needs a decision now. I'd not be happy but rather he gets a three-year contract than nothing happen whatsoever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on August 08, 2016, 12:03:17 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 08, 2016, 10:36:21 AM
Should have got rid of him before the start of last season.

Totaly agree, the day after the season finished
JP didn't want to sack TP & risk dropping down to div 1 if the sale fell through, he left Guochuan Lai to make that call.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on August 08, 2016, 05:59:18 PM
Whatever the decision regarding management, we desperately need to add quality to this squad, particularly in midfield and in the full backs. There is not one player who can pick a pass barring Morrison (when on song).

We may have got over 40 points last year and on paper looked comfortable staying up- the reality IMO is that we were fortunate there so many awful teams in some right downward spirals.

When goals look so hard to come by- a bit of bad luck and suddenly we could lose a few on the spin. Important we start well because come October, we play Sunderland away prior to the 3 big teams plus the reigning Champions Leicester.

More depth in quality is what I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 08, 2016, 06:25:20 PM
I get this distinct feeling we are waiting until we get a new guy to take the helm before TP gets the push, if that's the case it surely has to happen this week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 08, 2016, 06:45:41 PM
Quote from: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 08, 2016, 06:25:20 PM
I get this distinct feeling we are waiting until we get a new guy to take the helm before TP gets the push, if that's the case it surely has to happen this week.

This is John Williams is known to be gun shy when it comes to sacking managers. Personally I found last sason really hard to watch. I blamed the illness. Truth be told it was Pulis, This time around I think they'll give him until Christmas. It just goes against the nature of the new Chairman to be ruthless. Manager sacked was Ince replaced by Allerdyce to save Blackburn. Unless there's somebody superb who will be a long time manager to build us I can't see them getting rid of Pulis sadly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 08, 2016, 06:52:12 PM
Quote from: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 08, 2016, 06:25:20 PM
I get this distinct feeling we are waiting until we get a new guy to take the helm before TP gets the push, if that's the case it surely has to happen this week.

They won't do it so soon after giving him the vote of confidence. If/when we get off to a bad start it will probably happen I think, so mid September.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 08, 2016, 07:07:41 PM
Unfortunately I think it will be results that do for Pulis. No sign in preseason that anything has changed, if anything we look even less creative. We could be some way behind the pack by the time the trigger is pulled. Hope I'm wrong and we find some results from somewhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 08, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
I'd give Pulis a new contract and let him build something here. As Jose Mourinho once said "If I was chairman of a football club I would make Tony Pulis manager" but what does he know eh?? Look at our bloody squad, we've given TP one player this Summer and expect him to work miracles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 08, 2016, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 08, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
I'd give Pulis a new contract and let him build something here. As Jose Mourinho once said "If I was chairman of a football club I would make Tony Pulis manager" but what does he know eh?? Look at our bloody squad, we've given TP one player this Summer and expect him to work miracles.

You could switch it and say TP has only identified 1 realisitic and possible target.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 08, 2016, 07:48:12 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 08, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
I'd give Pulis a new contract and let him build something here. As Jose Mourinho once said "If I was chairman of a football club I would make Tony Pulis manager" but what does he know eh?? Look at our bloody squad, we've given TP one player this Summer and expect him to work miracles.

You could also say he's not shown in the past he can take a club on from lower half of the table / survival each year and evolve a playing style which players and fans enjoy. Depends on how ambitious we are I guess? If survival each year (however achieved) is our aim.  then Pulis s our man. Fans of clubs he's left have generally been happy with his contribution but happier to see managers come in who try to play the game differently. They've also survived in the process.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 08, 2016, 07:51:53 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 08, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
I'd give Pulis a new contract and let him build something here. As Jose Mourinho once said "If I was chairman of a football club I would make Tony Pulis manager" but what does he know eh?? Look at our bloody squad, we've given TP one player this Summer and expect him to work miracles.

He had an open cheque book at Stoke and still never troubled the top half whilst playing some horrific football. I believe that he is partially to blame for our lack of movement in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on August 08, 2016, 07:52:08 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 08, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
I'd give Pulis a new contract and let him build something here. As Jose Mourinho once said "If I was chairman of a football club I would make Tony Pulis manager" but what does he know eh?? Look at our bloody squad, we've given TP one player this Summer and expect him to work miracles.

Jose is one of the biggest Mickey takers in football! That remark was tongue in cheek :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 08, 2016, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 08, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
I'd give Pulis a new contract and let him build something here. As Jose Mourinho once said "If I was chairman of a football club I would make Tony Pulis manager" but what does he know eh?? Look at our bloody squad, we've given TP one player this Summer and expect him to work miracles.
I doubt he'll get a new one He won't be activly sacked yet I think the rest of the window will show what intent we have. If we sign nobody that improves us by the first home game then I'm worried. I can't see him going until he's had a fair crack. Ultimately Though Peace bought him in to keeo us up while the sale went through he's done that I think gone by Christmas just to show it isn't a "Sacking" club blame results or if by chance he does well walks at the end of season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2016, 09:06:30 PM
As pointed out by someone on twitter it is interesting we have had complete silence from him since his comments about things happening behind the scenes that he didn't want to talk about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 08, 2016, 09:30:06 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2016, 09:06:30 PM
As pointed out by someone on twitter it is interesting we have had complete silence from him since his comments about things happening behind the scenes that he didn't want to talk about.
Only time will tell but why would Mr Lai back him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 08, 2016, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 08, 2016, 09:30:06 PM
Only time will tell but why would Mr Lai back him?

Because he has made more good signings than bad and he has never been relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2016, 09:54:16 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 08, 2016, 09:38:22 PM
Because he has made more good signings than bad and he has never been relegated.
If we ignore Phillips for now, as he hasn't made his league debut for us yet, you're saying that of Pulis's 11 signings since he joined us, more have been good signings than bad? Which 6 (or more) have been good signings?

Or do you mean during has managerial career as a whole? That's quite a bit harder to prove/disprove! :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2016, 09:55:35 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 08, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
I'd give Pulis a new contract and let him build something here.
The only thing he could build would be a mausoleum containing the mortal remains of decent, watchable football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 08, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2016, 09:55:35 PM
The only thing he could build would be a mausoleum containing the mortal remains of decent, watchable football.

Hear, hear.

It says something when last season many on this board, who are die hard albion(why would you spend your time posting about them otheteise)  literally unable to watch games and being relieved when they didn't have to.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 08, 2016, 10:54:12 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 08, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
I'd give Pulis a new contract and let him build something here. As Jose Mourinho once said "If I was chairman of a football club I would make Tony Pulis manager" but what does he know eh?? Look at our bloody squad, we've given TP one player this Summer and expect him to work miracles.

Mourinho, the man who also said our great club is Mickey Mouse?

As for being backed, he has made 10+ signings over three and a half transfer windows, yet we find ourselves with a squad devoid of any pace or creativity. Go figure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 08, 2016, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 08, 2016, 10:54:12 PM
As for being backed, he has made 10+ signings over three and a half transfer windows, yet we find ourselves with a squad devoid of any pace or creativity. Go figure.

The team is how he wants it structure wise. He obviously wants it to be working better, but 4 giants in defence, 1.5/2 defensive midfielders and a big lad up front to score headers is his template.

To give him his credit, he was tasked with keeping us up for JP so we could be sold. Job done on that front.

Pulis needs to go. Desperately.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 09, 2016, 12:00:31 AM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on August 08, 2016, 11:25:38 PM
The team is how he wants it structure wise. He obviously wants it to be working better, but 4 giants in defence, 1.5/2 defensive midfielders and a big lad up front to score headers is his template.

To give him his credit, he was tasked with keeping us up for JP so we could be sold. Job done on that front.

Pulis needs to go. Desperately.

I think at times some fail to see this, this is/ was his remit under Peace and co, stay in the league, anything else is a bonus (something which no doubt he received handsomely for doing what he was brought in to do) and its something he is practically guaranteed to do.

For all the abuse, the stick, the poor poor football he has been doing exactly what he was brought in for.

Hopefully the new ownership have higher expectations and amibition so that is no longer the instruction and so it is then up to him to change it or be replaced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 09, 2016, 06:23:03 AM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 09, 2016, 12:00:31 AM
I think at times some fail to see this, this is/ was his remit under Peace and co, stay in the league, anything else is a bonus (something which no doubt he received handsomely for doing what he was brought in to do) and its something he is practically guaranteed to do.

For all the abuse, the stick, the poor poor football he has been doing exactly what he was brought in for.

Hopefully the new ownership have higher expectations and amibition so that is no longer the instruction and so it is then up to him to change it or be replaced.

I said when they took over I wouldn't expect things to change too much too quickly.
They are business men not West Bromwich Albion fans.
They will expect a return on their investment that means stay in the Premiership, and that will probably be to the detriment of the football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 09, 2016, 08:21:18 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on August 09, 2016, 06:23:03 AM
I said when they took over I wouldn't expect things to change too much too quickly.
They are business men not West Bromwich Albion fans.
They will expect a return on their investment that means stay in the Premiership, and that will probably be to the detriment of the football.

Short term, (probably for this season) I think you're right, but they will want to ensure that we stay in the Prem, & I'm confident that will mean bringing in one or two better players.
Longer term, they want to "export" football to China, via WBA. Everybody accepts that our style, while being effective, is also pretty boring, so I would also expect a change in style. Whether or not TP can deliver that, remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 09, 2016, 09:20:14 AM
We also need to dispel the myth that Pulis guarantees safety. Just because he hasn't been relegated doesn't mean he can't. In fact, the form towards the end of last season, and this pre-season, suggests we are on a downward spiral and even more devoid of attacking intent, whilst being less strong defensively. This adds up to a very real risk of relegation in my view.
Of course there are risks to getting rid, it will be a mammoth task for someone to come in and work with this squad, but there is also a real risk that we end up sacking him because we are stranded, and the next bloke's job becomes even harder.
There's never a good time to change manager, especially one as one dimensional as Pulis, but the thought of starting the new season watching the same old dross, just fills me with dread. I think I would rather take a leap into the unknown, new owner, new manager, new start.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on August 09, 2016, 09:24:51 AM
Does anyone know why tony has gone so quiet. Not heard anything from him for ages even after games. I am hoping the is because he is negotiating his settlement package behind the scenes
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on August 09, 2016, 09:42:04 AM
Quote from: mikehy on August 09, 2016, 09:24:51 AM
Does anyone know why tony has gone so quiet. Not heard anything from him for ages even after games. I am hoping the is because he is negotiating his settlement package behind the scenes
it is very strange no interviews about new takeover or transfers..very unusual
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 09, 2016, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on August 09, 2016, 09:20:14 AM
We also need to dispel the myth that Pulis guarantees safety. Just because he hasn't been relegated doesn't mean he can't. In fact, the form towards the end of last season, and this pre-season, suggests we are on a downward spiral and even more devoid of attacking intent, whilst being less strong defensively. This adds up to a very real risk of relegation in my view.
Of course there are risks to getting rid, it will be a mammoth task for someone to come in and work with this squad, but there is also a real risk that we end up sacking him because we are stranded, and the next bloke's job becomes even harder.
There's never a good time to change manager, especially one as one dimensional as Pulis, but the thought of starting the new season watching the same old dross, just fills me with dread. I think I would rather take a leap into the unknown, new owner, new manager, new start.

It's not a myth.  It's a fact... Until it isn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on August 09, 2016, 10:38:23 AM
His 'record' is there to be broken.
He's now holding us back by totally ignoring hammonds recommendations and going after Brit players that he knows. He will not change his style, he is unable to move with the times. He really has run his course. Please God go now and give us a chance of survival.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 09, 2016, 10:53:40 AM
Quote from: telford baggie on August 09, 2016, 09:42:04 AM
it is very strange no interviews about new takeover or transfers..very unusual

I agree, not a sound out of him since ' lots going on the the club' statement, about a month ago, all match interviews have been done by his assistant. Makes me wonder whether we have heard the last from him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 09, 2016, 11:11:19 AM
I think in regards to silence from him, we'll all be primed and interested to hear the press conference in a few days. We'll definitely have a more clear gauge on how he's feeling.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on August 09, 2016, 11:19:30 AM
I would be surprised if he is here beyond September. I don't think survival should be our aim. It should be a by-product of a bigger aim to be a mid table club. We are not a mid table club - every year we scrape by with just about enough points to avoid relegation. this is without good or bad luck.

If we had a run of bad luck on top we would be relegated.

We now have a very poor squad with no depth. We have players in that squad being paid a lot of money who will not get a game. This makes player recruitment harder. He bought some of these players that are not good enough, and that is blocking our progression.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 09, 2016, 11:53:40 AM
Quote from: kanu on August 09, 2016, 10:38:23 AM
His 'record' is there to be broken.
He's now holding us back by totally ignoring hammonds recommendations and going after Brit players that he knows. He will not change his style, he is unable to move with the times. He really has run his course. Please God go now and give us a chance of survival.

How on earth do you know who the club are after?

He's just got a new boss & his own, & everybody else who work for the club have their jobs on the line. He's really not going to deliver is he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on August 09, 2016, 01:17:01 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 09, 2016, 11:53:40 AM
How on earth do you know who the club are after?

He's just got a new boss & his own, & everybody else who work for the club have their jobs on the line. He's really not going to deliver is he?

I don't know who they are after but I do assume that any highly technical footballers who are under 5'10 who are being offered to him are being dismissed.
I don't believe he wants specialist full backs. I believe certain attacking players don't want to sign for him because he'll hold back their progress.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba1993dave on August 09, 2016, 01:24:00 PM
He's staying put for now, I don't see any point sacking him for someone like Bruce. Love to see a next level manager down the Albion someone like Mancini but I feel that's unrealistic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 09, 2016, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: wba1993dave on August 09, 2016, 01:24:00 PM
He's staying put for now, I don't see any point sacking him for someone like Bruce. Love to see a next level manager down the Albion someone like Mancini but I feel that's unrealistic.

I would see it as very realistic, otherwise what's the point of the acquisition? Don't forget the new look West Bromwich Albion is going to showcase football in China.

It won't happen immediately, as others have said, it will evolve rather than a revolution, but this acquisition is the biggest thing to hit WBA since it's inception
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 09, 2016, 01:59:31 PM
Quote from: kanu on August 09, 2016, 01:17:01 PM
I don't know who they are after but I do assume that any highly technical footballers who are under 5'10 who are being offered to him are being dismissed.
I don't believe he wants specialist full backs. I believe certain attacking players don't want to sign for him because he'll hold back their progress.


I acknowledge the deal isn't over the line but Taylor from Leeds is a 5ft 8 inch specialist left back whom we appear to be quite keen on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 09, 2016, 02:03:35 PM
Quote from: wba1993dave on August 09, 2016, 01:24:00 PM
He's staying put for now, I don't see any point sacking him for someone like Bruce. Love to see a next level manager down the Albion someone like Mancini but I feel that's unrealistic.

at present. I think TP will be given the time but if the return does not manage expectations of an investor paying £200m, then I am sure that we will see change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 09, 2016, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 08, 2016, 09:38:22 PM
Because he has made more good signings than bad and he has never been relegated.
Callum Mcmanaman? Rickie Lambert? All the Domestic loans? The fact James Chester basically had to threaten a transfer request to get played had a great Euros and hasn't been featured since? This never been relegated story is great and all but it's going to happen one day hopefully he won't be in charge of us when it does
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2016, 04:05:52 PM
The longer he goes without making any comments about the takeover the more people are going to speculate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 09, 2016, 04:30:22 PM
Does anyone remember if he was this quiet before walking from Palace?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2016, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 09, 2016, 04:30:22 PM
Does anyone remember if he was this quiet before walking from Palace?

I have no idea but I wouldn't get your hopes up if you think he's going to walk like he did then, there must have been more to it than was made out at Palace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on August 09, 2016, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 09, 2016, 04:30:22 PM
Does anyone remember if he was this quiet before walking from Palace?

He certainly is not going to walk from a "Golden handshake".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 09, 2016, 06:01:01 PM
The picture that the club have tweeted with the new owner standing with his arm around TP suggests that he may be staying.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 09, 2016, 07:15:35 PM
I thought someone on here said he was getting the sack either yesterday or today? What happened.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 09, 2016, 07:16:22 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 09, 2016, 07:15:35 PM
I thought someone on here said he was getting the sack either yesterday or today? What happened.

Utter bo11ocks as per.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 09, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
To be fair rumours did not start on here, they started on Facebook and gathered speed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 09, 2016, 07:30:53 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 09, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
To be fair rumours did not start on here, they started on Facebook and gathered speed.
Facebook....the downfall of modern society..
There will be rumours aplenty now, it does appear that there are many reasons why Tone may be on his way, I'd expect a "good source" rumour every 3 days now..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Downunder Stripes on August 10, 2016, 06:35:03 AM
He ain't going anywhere soon. !

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_EoVQnhtkwwXzQ0dmZqRGlVRWc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 10, 2016, 06:55:25 AM
Quote from: Downunder Stripes on August 10, 2016, 06:35:03 AM
He ain't going anywhere soon. !

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_EoVQnhtkwwXzQ0dmZqRGlVRWc

One picture worth a thousand words.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on August 10, 2016, 07:47:45 PM
Despite living in the Black Country I work in the South East. The guy who runs the in house gym is a former pro footballer, and now a part time coach who last season worked at a lower league club down here who in turn had an Albion player on loan for a spell.

Today I learned that last summer, during pre-season Pulis went missing for two days and the players had no idea where he was. His office was apparently emptied completely, then just as suddenly he returned and everything returned to normal without any explanation.

Whether the kid from Albion was telling the truth I couldn't say but the bloke that told me us 100% honest.

I do recall there being rumours of him being unhappy about transfers etc at some point, so who knows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 10, 2016, 08:48:42 PM
Still got my support. Starting to actually feel sorry for the guy. He has done a great job in keeping us in the Prem, these last two seasons, and is seemingly getting most of the flack for the lack of transfer activity. I cannot believe that he has not identified alternatives for the positions he is trying to improve, and if he wants a left back from Leeds, then for God's sake lets go and get him and stop pi**ing about over a million or two. Lets get this bloody show on the road.If not, I think TP will walk and then the brown stuff will hit the fan, and the Pulis haters will see how we fare with this squad, and a miserly couple of additions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 10, 2016, 10:17:09 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on August 10, 2016, 08:48:42 PM
Still got my support. Starting to actually feel sorry for the guy. He has done a great job in keeping us in the Prem, these last two seasons, and is seemingly getting most of the flack for the lack of transfer activity. I cannot believe that he has not identified alternatives for the positions he is trying to improve, and if he wants a left back from Leeds, then for God's sake lets go and get him and stop pi**ing about over a million or two. Lets get this bloody show on the road.If not, I think TP will walk and then the brown stuff will hit the fan, and the Pulis haters will see how we fare with this squad, and a miserly couple of additions.
It continues to amuse me that this is Pulis's fourth transfer window at the club and he's signed 12 players during that period, and yet still people claim that any deficiencies with the squad are nothing to do with him.

I'm sure plenty of the managers who came and went pretty quickly in the years before him would have loved the opportunity to have 4 transfer windows and sign 12 players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 10, 2016, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 10, 2016, 10:17:09 PM
It continues to amuse me that this is Pulis's fourth transfer window at the club and he's signed 12 players during that period, and yet still people claim that any deficiencies with the squad are nothing to do with him.

I'm sure plenty of the managers who came and went pretty quickly in the years before him would have loved the opportunity to have 4 transfer windows and sign 12 players.

He's made 9 permanent signings including 2 of our 4 best players and our club captain, and one who has yet to play a competitive match... The loans don't really count and were only a partial failure anyway.

Like it or not the loan signing of Pritchard was for cover (only the fans got remotely excited). Sandro worked, Gnabry didn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 10, 2016, 10:35:57 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 10, 2016, 10:29:59 PM
Like it or not the loan signing of Pritchard was for cover (only the fans got remotely excited). Sandro worked, Gnabry didn't.
Cover for the injured Morrison you mean? Pritchard: "It was a difficult time for me at West Brom. I wouldn't say anything bad about the club but it was difficult, not much game time, for reasons that I don't know why." Sandro's loan worked so well that we sent him back to QPR at the end of it instead of signing him....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 10, 2016, 10:56:50 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 10, 2016, 10:35:57 PM
Cover for the injured Morrison you mean? Pritchard: "It was a difficult time for me at West Brom. I wouldn't say anything bad about the club but it was difficult, not much game time, for reasons that I don't know why." Sandro's loan worked so well that we sent him back to QPR at the end of it instead of signing him....

No cover for Gardner while Morrison was injured... In other words a warm body on the bench. Lo and behold he's found himself back in the Championship.

Sandro worked as a loan, there was no need to sign him permanently. He was borrowed to take the workload off Yacob and Fletcher, Claudio particularly was walking a suspension tightrope at the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 10, 2016, 11:04:22 PM
I'd sooner take Sandro on loan and have a good look before buying rather than get tied to a big wage/ contract , think Pulis played that right. Not defending some of signings though. :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on August 10, 2016, 11:24:56 PM
Can't believe how quiet Pullis has been . When he was at Palace he was jumping up and down and hanging from the ceiling when he couldn't sign who he wanted.There must be something happening else he would have thrown his dummy out of the pram by know
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 11, 2016, 12:02:17 AM
Quote from: charlebaggie on August 10, 2016, 11:24:56 PM
Can't believe how quiet Pullis has been . When he was at Palace he was jumping up and down and hanging from the ceiling when he couldn't sign who he wanted.There must be something happening else he would have thrown his dummy out of the pram by know

I have been thinking the same thing, and then another day with no signings passes by.

Very odd.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2016, 11:50:58 AM
Quote from: charlebaggie on August 10, 2016, 11:24:56 PM
Can't believe how quiet Pullis has been . When he was at Palace he was jumping up and down and hanging from the ceiling when he couldn't sign who he wanted.There must be something happening else he would have thrown his dummy out of the pram by know

Pulis always used to leave his business till the end of the window at Stoke, I think he probably works on the premise that better players become available at the end of the window. They were always doing a load of business on deadline day under him, very hit and miss business too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendover on August 11, 2016, 12:43:51 PM
What makes me laugh is he always against signings being made once season starts saying window should close when all kicks off, and yet where are we again??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 11, 2016, 02:58:47 PM
I can see him walking if no signings soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 11, 2016, 03:33:07 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 11, 2016, 02:58:47 PM
I can see him walking if no signings soon.
Nah sadly he has palace to pay he won't walk on us so another season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 11, 2016, 03:46:23 PM
It's so depressing to have Tony Pulis as our manager. There's a mind numbing sense of expectancy with him. You know exactly what your going to get. It will never be exciting, it will never be enjoyable.

He was universally hated by us when he managed Stoke for being this ambassador of turgid anti-football. It must be either arrogance or ignorance that he hasn't even tried to craft a more dynamic style, does he relish the mediocrity he serves up I wonder?

People might argue that his style 'works' but works for who? The team looks dejected, the fans are divided and no one has anything to look forward to. The only person TP works for is the money men who seek to eek us through another campaign. Hopefully Lai can instill that he wants a bit of excitement and not just another nothing season.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on August 11, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
Quote from: kendover on August 11, 2016, 12:43:51 PM
What makes me laugh is he always against signings being made once season starts saying window should close when all kicks off, and yet where are we again??

Like this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 11, 2016, 06:50:17 PM
Appalling treatment of Chester.

So frustrated with all this at the moment.

And yet we still get 'isn't he doing well with such a poor squad' rubbish from people on here.

Sorry but he has had ample chance to sign good players and improve the squad and its been absolutely pitiful.

Get him out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 11, 2016, 07:54:22 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 11, 2016, 03:33:07 PM
Nah sadly he has palace to pay he won't walk on us so another season

He only had to give back the bonus he had received.  He's hardly on the breadline, and if he walks he would quickly land a new job
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 12, 2016, 07:51:31 AM
Unless he gets Kemp to do it, Pulis will have to come out of his bunker to do the pre-match media interview today, so it'll be interesting to hear what he has to say, having been unusually quiet for so long.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 12, 2016, 08:10:19 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on August 11, 2016, 07:54:22 PM
He only had to give back the bonus he had received.  He's hardly on the breadline, and if he walks he would quickly land a new job

He was ordered to pay Crystal Palace £3.5M which is the original £2M bonus + £1M damages and also both sides court costs.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/16/tony-pulis-crystal-palace-west-brom
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 12, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
Quote from: frazzle on August 11, 2016, 06:50:17 PM
Appalling treatment of Chester.

So frustrated with all this at the moment.

And yet we still get 'isn't he doing well with such a poor squad' rubbish from people on here.

Sorry but he has had ample chance to sign good players and improve the squad and its been absolutely pitiful.

Get him out.
He's not the one trying to get the deals over the line.......that was JP and Garlick and more recently Hammond i.e. he has no say in the bids being made + wages offered etc.
Re Chester, he was bought to compete at RB and giver cover at CB. A club can't predict the injuries it will get during a season. As it happened Dawson stayed fit and played better than expected at RB and we didn't have mass injuries at CB.
A premier league team has to have decent players on the bench.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 12, 2016, 08:30:43 AM
Quote from: kendover on August 11, 2016, 12:43:51 PM
What makes me laugh is he always against signings being made once season starts saying window should close when all kicks off, and yet where are we again??
It should be clear that JP, Garlick and Hammond have had far more involvement in negotiating the actual deal and getting them over the line.  Pulis won't have much say in the negotiations going on ......he might want all business done early but it's not going to happen in this day and age.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 12, 2016, 08:38:06 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 12, 2016, 07:51:31 AM
Unless he gets Kemp to do it, Pulis will have to come out of his bunker to do the pre-match media interview today, so it'll be interesting to hear what he has to say, having been unusually quiet for so long.

Missed the TP bull bingo over the summer this is roughly what he will I think he means in brackets

On us "Got a few niggles but we should be okay, Johny is a wonderful player can play in all 11 positions"  (I really want team of Centre Halves built like them Fijian rugby players)

On the opposition "They've got some top top players going to be tough nothing but admiration for their manager he's doing a wonderful job" (I hate the bugger but need to big him up to make the 0:0 draw look good)

On transfers "Not in my hands" (I miss Coates he used to give me lots of money and not ask too many questions)

On new Ownership "Wonderful people I've been impressed" (Don't trust them they're foreign, did I say I miss Mr Coates lovely man)

On Saido "Smashing kid I'd love to keep him" (Will some bugger just buy the pain in the backside so I can buy a Centre Half built like a Fijian rugby player)

On anything tricky "Can't talk about that" (I'm stuck for £3m let's not make matters worse by saying what I think of Steve Parish)

Sprinkle in a few work aards and there you go, did I miss anything?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 12, 2016, 08:40:10 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 12, 2016, 08:38:06 AM
Missed the TP bull bingo over the summer this is roughly what he will I think he means in brackets

On us "Got a few niggles but we should be okay, Johny is a wonderful player can play in all 11 positions"  (I really want team of Centre Halves built like them Fijian rugby players)

On the opposition "They've got some top top players going to be tough nothing but admiration for their manager he's doing a wonderful job" (I hate the bugger but need to big him up to make the 0:0 draw look good)

On transfers "Not in my hands" (I miss Coates he used to give me lots of money and not ask too many questions)

On new Ownership "Wonderful people I've been impressed" (Don't trust them they're foreign, did I say I miss Mr Coates lovely man)

On Saido "Smashing kid I'd love to keep him" (Will some bugger just buy the pain in the backside so I can buy a Centre Half built like a Fijian rugby player)

On anything tricky "Can't talk about that" (I'm stuck for £3m let's not make matters worse by saying what I think of Steve Parish)

Sprinkle in a few work aards and there you go, did I miss anything?

Good one.... about sums him up!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ian66 on August 12, 2016, 08:41:59 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 12, 2016, 08:38:06 AM
Missed the TP bull bingo over the summer this is roughly what he will I think he means in brackets

On us "Got a few niggles but we should be okay, Johny is a wonderful player can play in all 11 positions"  (I really want team of Centre Halves built like them Fijian rugby players)

On the opposition "They've got some top top players going to be tough nothing but admiration for their manager he's doing a wonderful job" (I hate the bugger but need to big him up to make the 0:0 draw look good)

On transfers "Not in my hands" (I miss Coates he used to give me lots of money and not ask too many questions)

On new Ownership "Wonderful people I've been impressed" (Don't trust them they're foreign, did I say I miss Mr Coates lovely man)

On Saido "Smashing kid I'd love to keep him" (Will some bugger just buy the pain in the backside so I can buy a Centre Half built like a Fijian rugby player)

On anything tricky "Can't talk about that" (I'm stuck for £3m let's not make matters worse by saying what I think of Steve Parish)

Sprinkle in a few work aards and there you go, did I miss anything?
Love it, well done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mank baggie on August 12, 2016, 08:45:26 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 12, 2016, 08:38:06 AM
Missed the TP bull bingo over the summer this is roughly what he will I think he means in brackets

On us "Got a few niggles but we should be okay, Johny is a wonderful player can play in all 11 positions"  (I really want team of Centre Halves built like them Fijian rugby players)

On the opposition "They've got some top top players going to be tough nothing but admiration for their manager he's doing a wonderful job" (I hate the bugger but need to big him up to make the 0:0 draw look good)

On transfers "Not in my hands" (I miss Coates he used to give me lots of money and not ask too many questions)

On new Ownership "Wonderful people I've been impressed" (Don't trust them they're foreign, did I say I miss Mr Coates lovely man)

On Saido "Smashing kid I'd love to keep him" (Will some bugger just buy the pain in the backside so I can buy a Centre Half built like a Fijian rugby player)

On anything tricky "Can't talk about that" (I'm stuck for £3m let's not make matters worse by saying what I think of Steve Parish)

Sprinkle in a few work aards and there you go, did I miss anything?
that made me chuckle
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 12, 2016, 09:27:14 AM
Don't like pulisball but it looks like another coach has been left out to dry with owners of club. Lack of ambition at Albion is startling good luck for the new season Tony you wil need it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 12, 2016, 09:35:08 AM
The Birmingham Mail is posting live updates from the Pulis press conference. First up, there's this:

"We need five players in and that’s going to be a tough task. We certainly need to do business. We’ve got a few players in mind. There are lots of players we are interested in. John Williams is working behind the scenes to push deals through."

Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-mail-football-live-latest-11738980)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 12, 2016, 10:20:25 AM
Sounds like he's as frustrated as the rest of us.
Expect him to use this as an excuse to go.
He must know that the fans are turning
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 12, 2016, 10:23:57 AM
Quote from: Adder on August 12, 2016, 08:30:43 AM
It should be clear that JP, Garlick and Hammond have had far more involvement in negotiating the actual deal and getting them over the line.  Pulis won't have much say in the negotiations going on ......he might want all business done early but it's not going to happen in this day and age.

Whilst I agree with what you say I do wonder how many of our targets don't actually want to play for us / Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on August 12, 2016, 10:30:10 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 12, 2016, 09:35:08 AM
The Birmingham Mail is posting live updates from the Pulis press conference. First up, there's this:

"We need five players in and that’s going to be a tough task. We certainly need to do business. We’ve got a few players in mind. There are lots of players we are interested in. John Williams is working behind the scenes to push deals through."

Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-mail-football-live-latest-11738980)

Left back
Winger
Striker
Centre Back
Striker/Cente Mid

Regardless of how the window goes from now till close, Pulis wont walk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 12, 2016, 10:42:32 AM
I dont think Pulis would risk walking away again so close to a season start or once it has just begun.

He did it at Palace and he hasnt come out to well from it and has a lot of money to payback, i think if he did it again now his bargaining power in a new job would be lower as he is a flight risk. (To be fair if he takes a job in November his record suggests he will keep teams up but he went into the Palace job and our job saying he wanted to build a club, if he went again early season of his own accord his reputation takes a hit)

I think the only way he would go is if we sacked him, i also dont blame Pulis about the go slow transfers, i might not like the players we bring in but whether its slow negotiating, delayed takeover, or whatever it is that meant one signings, he is up against it when he cant freshen up the squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2016, 10:54:07 AM
Whats our most expansive flamboyant performance under Pulis, West Ham cup game at home?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on August 12, 2016, 11:23:42 AM
dead man walking and he knows it , he's got enough contacts to know if we've been sounding out other folks he's not stupid . if we valued him as the talismanic keep us up at all costs firefighter as we proclaim we would offer him a new deal 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 12, 2016, 11:28:19 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2016, 10:54:07 AM
Whats our most expansive flamboyant performance under Pulis, West Ham cup game at home?
Definitely. Was like Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.
He had only been here a month though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 12, 2016, 11:34:25 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on August 12, 2016, 11:28:19 AM
Definitely. Was like Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.
He had only been here a month though.

Fletcher was cup tied...  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 12, 2016, 12:31:40 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 12, 2016, 11:34:25 AM
Fletcher was cup tied...  :-X

Are you suggesting we would become a much more free flowing team if we removed our captain and one of our best footballers from the team?

I'm glad Pulis is the manager and not you and that's saying something :o :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 12, 2016, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 12, 2016, 12:31:40 PM
Are you suggesting we would become a much more free flowing team if we removed our captain and one of our best footballers from the team?

I'm glad Pulis is the manager and not you and that's saying something :o :o

You have to admit he dodders on the ball far too much.

Twisting and turning into trouble regularly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 12, 2016, 12:35:05 PM
Should have sacked him at the end of last seasons or backed him with new players earlier. For all his faults I sympathize with him as he has been left with a squad that is woefully short (on players not height) :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 12, 2016, 12:38:28 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 12, 2016, 12:34:15 PM
You have to admit he dodders on the ball far too much.

Twisting and turning into trouble regularly.

Probably because there is no movement in front of him and he has to wait for the other slow, cumbersome players in the team to give him an option. Always moved the ball very quickly for Manchester United.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 12, 2016, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2016, 10:54:07 AM
Whats our most expansive flamboyant performance under Pulis, West Ham cup game at home?

Maybe.
That was early on before he coached the football out of the players
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2016, 02:15:30 PM
ive even got bored with his interviews too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 12, 2016, 02:27:30 PM
So tiresome to keep reading "he's coached the football\passing\shooting\confidence\anything else I can think of". 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 12, 2016, 04:07:18 PM
Anyone watched his press conference ? He'll be gone soon by the looks
of it

He's already getting his story straight - tough tough job , nobody knows the real story in the background .

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 12, 2016, 04:27:54 PM
Quote from: darbolina on August 12, 2016, 04:07:18 PM
Anyone watched his press conference ? He'll be gone soon by the looks
of it

He's already getting his story straight - tough tough job , nobody knows the real story in the background .

To be fair I'm not a fan but think he's been left in a mess by Peace. If he leaves after the window and we haven't strengthened then who would come in and take over this mess? Who would want the job? Who would you bring in to take over a team that is fighting relegation and you have to keep them up....the welsh man with the baseball hat and white trainers?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 12, 2016, 04:31:46 PM
Quote from: darbolina on August 12, 2016, 04:07:18 PM
Anyone watched his press conference ? He'll be gone soon by the looks
of it

He's already getting his story straight - tough tough job , nobody knows the real story in the background .

Yes I watched the interview.

Thought he came across as open (as far as he could be), honest and to the point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 12, 2016, 04:45:02 PM
I agree he always comes across as honest , hard working and to the point . He did seem to have an agenda though which to me was to
1) remind the public it's the clubs fault (not his) for the lack of signings and the clubs responsibility who is eventually signed in this window
2) ensure the football world that he's worked well under very tough conditions thus updating his cv just in case .......

Maybe I'm just too cynical for my own good?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RB on August 12, 2016, 04:52:47 PM
100% agree
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 12, 2016, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: darbolina on August 12, 2016, 04:45:02 PM
I agree he always comes across as honest , hard working and to the point . He did seem to have an agenda though which to me was to
1) remind the public it's the clubs fault (not his) for the lack of signings and the clubs responsibility who is eventually signed in this window
2) ensure the football world that he's worked well under very tough conditions thus updating his cv just in case .......

Maybe I'm just too cynical for my own good?

Not at all chap and to an extent I agree with what you state.

But for me I don't think it was due to any agenda as such, so much as he was telling it how it is.

How many times on this and other fora have supporters criticised him for saying the square route of nothing?

While I concede he didn't revealed anything earth shattering, he didn't try to brush over anything either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: colinmax on August 12, 2016, 05:35:17 PM
He wants 4 or 5 players this window.
Are they the same 4 or 5 players he wanted last season less Phillips?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 12, 2016, 05:38:15 PM
Quote from: darbolina on August 12, 2016, 04:45:02 PM
I agree he always comes across as honest , hard working and to the point . He did seem to have an agenda though which to me was to
1) remind the public it's the clubs fault (not his) for the lack of signings and the clubs responsibility who is eventually signed in this window
2) ensure the football world that he's worked well under very tough conditions thus updating his cv just in case .......

Maybe I'm just too cynical for my own good?

Some fair points, he could also be telling the truth. No matter what I think of him he's been left in a tough spot at the start of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 12, 2016, 06:43:11 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Pulis this evening.  As much as I want him to leave pretty quickly he's been dealt a really bad hand by the person revered as running the club in such an astute manner.

                                   Foster
         Dawson - McAuley – Olsson – Evans           Gamboa and Poco won’t get picked
Phillips – Fletcher – Gardner – Yacob – McClean   Brunt and Morisson are injured, McManaman won’t get picked
                                 Rondon                               Berahino and Lamberk are both selectable – but either on their way our or no good

Subs: Myhill, Wilson, Field, McManaman, Leko, Berahino, Lamberk

That’s it.  Team picks itself.

Sure, you can manage little tweaks, but that is all we’ve got right now!  Definitely weaker than the end of last season when we went 9 without a win.

I see... Zaha/Townsend will get the ball and run straight at Olsson.  He will back off until he falls over.  Then they will score. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 12, 2016, 07:08:26 PM
Quote from: Mr Cynical on August 12, 2016, 06:43:11 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Pulis this evening.  As much as I want him to leave pretty quickly he's been dealt a really bad hand by the person revered as running the club in such an astute manner.

                                   Foster
         Dawson - McAuley – Olsson – Evans           Gamboa and Poco won’t get picked
Phillips – Fletcher – Gardner – Yacob – McClean   Brunt and Morisson are injured, McManaman won’t get picked
                                 Rondon                               Berahino and Lamberk are both selectable – but either on their way our or no good

Subs: Myhill, Wilson, Field, McManaman, Leko, Berahino, Lamberk

That’s it.  Team picks itself.

Sure, you can manage little tweaks, but that is all we’ve got right now!  Definitely weaker than the end of last season when we went 9 without a win.

I see... Zaha/Townsend will get the ball and run straight at Olsson.  He will back off until he falls over.  Then they will score.

You could give the ball to the geriatric kit man to have a run at Olsson and he'd score. He's absolutely awful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 12, 2016, 07:18:20 PM
Can't feel sorry for Pulis 3 transfer windows and has wasted money galore. Lambert being the biggest waste doubt we will get anywhere near what he's cost us in wages etc. Mcmannaman bought and bombed out Chester bought to play a position everybody knew he just wouldn't e able to play. McLean is just a left footed Gardner hussle and bustle not much else.

He wasn't going to be trusted with lots more money. The market we are in for players is so limited and overpriced that we will always struggle to recruit within the parameters,he won't use numerous members of squad at his disposal. He's made his bed he has to lie in it. I'm expecting us to get absolutely smashed tomorrow weaker starting team than year and with absolutely no game changers starting or waiting to come on off the bench
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on August 12, 2016, 07:21:48 PM
Quote from: Mo on August 12, 2016, 11:23:42 AM
dead man walking and he knows it , he's got enough contacts to know if we've been sounding out other folks he's not stupid . if we valued him as the talismanic keep us up at all costs firefighter as we proclaim we would offer him a new deal
Pep would be a dead man with this squad and no signings. (and I don't mean Pepe Mel)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 12, 2016, 07:26:47 PM
Not going to feel sorry for Pulis given that even in the current situation which is not ideal he has options that he won't use.

Play a specialist Left Back at left back use our best Centre Half at Centre Half, play McManaman at right wing with Phillips or Leko behind Rondon. Stop insisting on only looking at players with English experience. Not all of the problems are self inflicted but a lot of them are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on August 12, 2016, 07:46:20 PM
Quote
Play a specialist Left Back at left back use our best Centre Half at Centre Half, play McManaman at right wing with Phillips or Leko behind Rondon. Stop insisting on only looking at players with English experience. Not all of the problems are self inflicted but a lot of them are.

By specialist left-back, you presumably mean Pocognoli. If he was as good as some try to say he is there would be a queue at the door to sign him. But there isn't. He had the chance to go out on loan but refused. He's content to pick up a fat salary and wait for his contract to run out. If he was any good we wouldn't have to use our best centre-half to cover his position.

I don't see Leko being able to play centrally yet, maybe in a year or two, but out side he's already more of a threat than McManaman because he stays on his feet and doesn't try falling over in the hope of winning a penalty.

Foreign players will always be a gamble because no-one knows if they're going to be able to adapt to the rigours of the Premier League; some do, but many don't. And we've had too many of the 'don't' variety.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 12, 2016, 07:54:26 PM
Quote from: Mr Cynical on August 12, 2016, 06:43:11 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Pulis this evening.  As much as I want him to leave pretty quickly he's been dealt a really bad hand by the person revered as running the club in such an astute manner.

                                   Foster
         Dawson - McAuley – Olsson – Evans           Gamboa and Poco won’t get picked
Phillips – Fletcher – Gardner – Yacob – McClean   Brunt and Morisson are injured, McManaman won’t get picked
                                 Rondon                               Berahino and Lamberk are both selectable – but either on their way our or no good

Subs: Myhill, Wilson, Field, McManaman, Leko, Berahino, Lamberk

That’s it.  Team picks itself.

Sure, you can manage little tweaks, but that is all we’ve got right now!  Definitely weaker than the end of last season when we went 9 without a win.

I see... Zaha/Townsend will get the ball and run straight at Olsson.  He will back off until he falls over.  Then they will score.
Pulis modus operandi is footballers with experience in British football, Rondon being the notable exception, restricting the marketplace can not help with recruitment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 12, 2016, 07:56:34 PM
Quite an interesting article from his Stoke days. Sounds very familiar.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/21/tony-pulis-sacking-stoke

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 12, 2016, 10:33:29 PM
Let's not forget Astle day, bloody heartbreaking.

Probably should have been let go then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 12, 2016, 10:44:35 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 12, 2016, 10:33:29 PM
Let's not forget Astle day, bloody heartbreaking.

Probably should have been let go then.
Then you could let 11 players go then too from that day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on August 12, 2016, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 12, 2016, 12:38:28 PM
Probably because there is no movement in front of him and he has to wait for the other slow, cumbersome players in the team to give him an option. Always moved the ball very quickly for Manchester United.

...........yes he did, but that was about 10 years ago lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on August 13, 2016, 01:12:07 AM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on August 12, 2016, 07:18:20 PM
Can't feel sorry for Pulis 3 transfer windows and has wasted money galore. weaker starting team than year and with absolutely no game changers starting or waiting to come on off the bench
Bang on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on August 13, 2016, 01:41:30 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 12, 2016, 07:56:34 PM
Quite an interesting article from his Stoke days. Sounds very familiar.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/21/tony-pulis-sacking-stoke
The article is a good find & makes for uncomfortable reading with the way the stoke team played, the team personnel that were picked & set up to play, now being firmly in place at our club. I didn't realise how much stoke has spent upto pulis getting sacked.

Interesting to see us being acknowledged in the 2013 article as playing fluid, inventive football & stoke being a long ball, set piece team. Now 3 years on & unhappily for us, a total reverse between the teams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 13, 2016, 06:37:11 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 12, 2016, 07:56:34 PM
Quite an interesting article from his Stoke days. Sounds very familiar.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/21/tony-pulis-sacking-stoke

Spooky  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 13, 2016, 07:55:26 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 12, 2016, 10:33:29 PM
Let's not forget Astle day, bloody heartbreaking.

Probably should have been let go then.

Disagree.
Although absolutely gutted on the day I did not blame TP for this defeat.

The blame for me on that lay squarely with the players who effectivley surrendered, rolled over and took it up the shitter when Leicester upped the anti.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 13, 2016, 08:22:55 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 12, 2016, 07:56:34 PM
Quite an interesting article from his Stoke days. Sounds very familiar.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/21/tony-pulis-sacking-stoke
Good find, which confirms what some of us already suspected - he's never changed and won't change. It seems like he could claim copyright over "The Bomb Squad"!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 13, 2016, 08:26:46 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 12, 2016, 07:56:34 PM
Quite an interesting article from his Stoke days. Sounds very familiar.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/21/tony-pulis-sacking-stoke

I must admit a couple of years I knew all of this about Pulis and didn't care as I thought it was horses for courses and we needed stability and to stay up. I even thought he may change. He really won't .  He's kept us up but anyone who thinks Pulis will and can evolve a team beyond two banks of very big defensive minded players, little possession , hardly any shots, goals virtually always through set pieces and an inherent mistrust in creative players is really really kidding themselves.

Baggies happy with the way Pulis will always remain - to keep us playing exactly the same way, albeit with more and more expensive players and with pretty much the same result (lower mid table) then fine but let's not kid ourselves .

You get exactly what it says on the tin with Pulis. Not for me any longer. He's done a great job but I really want to look forward to watching the Baggies play again instead of shrugging and saying oh well , got a result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 13, 2016, 08:31:10 AM
Maybe I'm biased, but does anyone think the following Pulis quote sounds a bit disrespectul to Mr Lai: "There’s no way in a million years the club would let Saido go without bringing in a replacement. That’s been the theme all the way through when Jeremy was here and now with the Chinese people."

He could have said "Mr Lai", "new owners" or "new chairman", but chose to say "Chinese people" instead in a sentence where he'd already said "Jeremy" rather than "previous owner" or "previous chairman".

I'm probably finding things which actually don't mean anything. Having said that, apart from him talking about not knowing whether he'll end up being sacked or not, I've yet to find he's said anything about the takeover. He certainly hasn't made any welcoming comments that I've seen, although he has been pictured smiling with Mr Lai of course.

Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-boss-chance-u-11743284)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 13, 2016, 08:52:59 AM
I like the bit in the article about us being fluid ,didn't stop Pulis turning us over nearly every time his sides played us with Stoke and Palace.
I'm not massive on Pulis but I've always respected his ability to sort out sides in awful trouble which after Irvine and a few bad choices from above we were.
Last season was grim overall despite staying up fairly easy but that was his task from JP and in that respect Pulis achieved it .
I suspect he won't be around beyond this season but with this takeover being delayed he probably is the safest pair of hands to guide us at the moment and he is correct in saying this squad should have been boosted by new players weeks ago.
Personally don't enjoy a lot of his tactics but for a bloke who gets a lot of flack he has a great record of keeping sides up which with us entering a new era under staffed could be vital right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 13, 2016, 09:31:09 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 13, 2016, 08:31:10 AM
Maybe I'm biased, but does anyone think the following Pulis quote sounds a bit disrespectul to Mr Lai: "There’s no way in a million years the club would let Saido go without bringing in a replacement. That’s been the theme all the way through when Jeremy was here and now with the Chinese people."

He could have said "Mr Lai", "new owners" or "new chairman", but chose to say "Chinese people" instead in a sentence where he'd already said "Jeremy" rather than "previous owner" or "previous chairman".

I'm probably finding things which actually don't mean anything. Having said that, apart from him talking about not knowing whether he'll end up being sacked or not, I've yet to find he's said about the takeover. He certainly hasn't made any welcoming comments that I've seen, although he has been pictured smiling with Mr Lai of course.

Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-boss-chance-u-11743284)

'New owners' may have been more appropriate as you suggest, but no I don't think he's being disrespectful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 13, 2016, 09:35:12 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 13, 2016, 08:31:10 AM
Maybe I'm biased, but does anyone think the following Pulis quote sounds a bit disrespectul to Mr Lai: "There’s no way in a million years the club would let Saido go without bringing in a replacement. That’s been the theme all the way through when Jeremy was here and now with the Chinese people."

He could have said "Mr Lai", "new owners" or "new chairman", but chose to say "Chinese people" instead in a sentence where he'd already said "Jeremy" rather than "previous owner" or "previous chairman".

I'm probably finding things which actually don't mean anything. Having said that, apart from him talking about not knowing whether he'll end up being sacked or not, I've yet to find he's said about the takeover. He certainly hasn't made any welcoming comments that I've seen, although he has been pictured smiling with Mr Lai of course.

Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-boss-chance-u-11743284)

I don't personally see it as disrespectful, I certainly don't think he has intended it to sound that way at all. All I will say is that from the video of the presser I saw yesterday I think he's been very open and honest but its pretty clear he is really feeling the pressure too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 13, 2016, 10:16:38 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 13, 2016, 08:52:59 AM
I like the bit in the article about us being fluid ,didn't stop Pulis turning us over nearly every time his sides played us with Stoke and Palace.
I'm not massive on Pulis but I've always respected his ability to sort out sides in awful trouble which after Irvine and a few bad choices from above we were.
Last season was grim overall despite staying up fairly easy but that was his task from JP and in that respect Pulis achieved it .
I suspect he won't be around beyond this season but with this takeover being delayed he probably is the safest pair of hands to guide us at the moment and he is correct in saying this squad should have been boosted by new players weeks ago.
Personally don't enjoy a lot of his tactics but for a bloke who gets a lot of flack he has a great record of keeping sides up which with us entering a new era under staffed could be vital right now.

I'm with you Dexy, full respect to Pulis for what's he's done during a tough spell however 1) he knew exactly what he awaited when he joined us and 2) he's the last person I'd give millions to build a long term vision.

With full respect to him, he's great at short term fixes but that's about his limit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 13, 2016, 10:24:34 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 13, 2016, 08:52:59 AM
I like the bit in the article about us being fluid ,didn't stop Pulis turning us over nearly every time his sides played us with Stoke and Palace.
And Albion fans were almost unanimously spitting blood at losing to Stoke given the way they approached the games. I don't recall much admiration for it, just derision.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 13, 2016, 10:31:39 AM
Quote from: darbolina on August 13, 2016, 10:16:38 AM
I'm with you Dexy, full respect to Pulis for what's he's done during a tough spell however 1) he knew exactly what he awaited when he joined us and 2) he's the last person I'd give millions to build a long term vision.
The amount of money he was able to spend last summer was more than any of his predecessors ever had, so it's not like he had to live off scraps.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: letmereadposts on August 13, 2016, 10:38:37 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 13, 2016, 08:31:10 AM
Maybe I'm biased, but does anyone think the following Pulis quote sounds a bit disrespectul to Mr Lai: "There’s no way in a million years the club would let Saido go without bringing in a replacement. That’s been the theme all the way through when Jeremy was here and now with the Chinese people."

He could have said "Mr Lai", "new owners" or "new chairman", but chose to say "Chinese people" instead in a sentence where he'd already said "Jeremy" rather than "previous owner" or "previous chairman".

I'm probably finding things which actually don't mean anything. Having said that, apart from him talking about not knowing whether he'll end up being sacked or not, I've yet to find he's said anything about the takeover. He certainly hasn't made any welcoming comments that I've seen, although he has been pictured smiling with Mr Lai of course.

Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-boss-chance-u-11743284)

Don't think it's disrespectful. Maybe if he had said this six months in then yes, I would expect Pulis to know his name but it's early days and he is preoccupied with pre-season.

The closer we get to 3pm Saturday I actually do respect Tony a bit more, he clearly talks the talk but I think he does respect the club in a way other managers haven't in the past.

He clearly works hard for Albion and himself (both interests are mutual) the squad is in a tough place some of which are his own creations and others are not. His style might have disrespected the club with his style and his recruitment has been poor but I do respect his work ethic and he kept us up when we had no right to.

Pulis and the players work hard for the club. The team ethic and attitude is back to what it should be for any club - this is an achievement in itself as prior to Pulis the players were taking over and not a good way, sometimes we need to remember how unprofessional our best and most senior players have acted in the past.

Looking forward to him leaving for a more progressive manager but transfers and takeovers are not fully the remit of the manager.

I'm concerned we could go down, we don't start seasons well usually anyway so by Christmas we should know how competitive the bottom half of the league will be this year.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 13, 2016, 10:46:19 AM
Quote from: letmereadposts on August 13, 2016, 10:38:37 AM
Don't think it's disrespectful. Maybe if he had said this six months in then yes, I would expect Pulis to know his name but it's early days and he is preoccupied with pre-season.

The closer we get to 3pm Saturday I actually do respect Tony a bit more, he clearly talks the talk but I think he does respect the club in a way other managers haven't in the past.

He clearly works hard for Albion and himself (both interests are mutual) the squad is in a tough place some of which are his own creations and others are not. His style might have disrespected the club with his style and his recruitment has been poor but I do respect his work ethic and he kept us up when we had no right to.

Pulis and the players work hard for the club. The team ethic and attitude is back to what it should be for any club - this is an achievement in itself as prior to Pulis the players were taking over and not a good way, sometimes we need to remember how unprofessional our best and most senior players have acted in the past.

Looking forward to him leaving for a more progressive manager but transfers and takeovers are not fully the remit of the manager.

I'm concerned we could go down, we don't start seasons well usually anyway so by Christmas we should know how competitive the bottom half of the league will be this year.

I agree with the vast majority of your post chap.

Very well put sir 8) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 13, 2016, 10:52:00 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 13, 2016, 10:24:34 AM
And Albion fans were almost unanimously spitting blood at losing to Stoke given the way they approached the games. I don't recall much admiration for it, just derision.
Yeah , I was one who hated being sucker punched but if a team is going to fall for the same trick again and again... ...
Money wise I remember Mowbray spending probably about the same amount  modern day wise and getting relegated but that was alright because we played good football like artists.
Not a Pulis fan but I don't think everything is his fault as some like to make out , current issues were here long before him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 13, 2016, 10:59:41 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 13, 2016, 10:52:00 AM
Money wise I remember Mowbray spending probably about the same amount  modern day wise and getting relegated but that was alright because we played good football like artists.
He had a good wadge (for the time) to spend at one point, but I think the most important comparitive stat is what the net spend was, which I don't have time to go digging out at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 13, 2016, 11:01:55 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 13, 2016, 10:52:00 AM
Yeah , I was one who hated being sucker punched but if a team is going to fall for the same trick again and again... ...
Money wise I remember Mowbray spending probably about the same amount  modern day wise and getting relegated but that was alright because we played good football like artists.
Not a Pulis fan but I don't think everything is his fault as some like to make out , current issues were here long before him.

Given the choice I would rather get relegated playing the Mowbray way than stay up the Pulis way, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 13, 2016, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: darbolina on August 13, 2016, 10:16:38 AM
I'm with you Dexy, full respect to Pulis for what's he's done during a tough spell however 1) he knew exactly what he awaited when he joined us and 2) he's the last person I'd give millions to build a long term vision.

With full respect to him, he's great at short term fixes but that's about his limit.
Yeah that about sums up my view , I hate  to see us so deep , I despair Evans at LB and I was disgusted after Watford at home but looking at the big picture JP and co got us in this mess and we had to appoint a trouble shooter. We knew what was on the tin when he came and at that point we needed him , money wise I don't trust him much either but that's why Hammond is here I'd hope.
As painful as it is to watch at times we need/needed some stability as a club instead of changing managers every year.
Would I shed a tear if he went ? , nope but I appreciate he was / is needed as grim as it can be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 13, 2016, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 13, 2016, 11:01:55 AM
Given the choice I would rather get relegated playing the Mowbray way than stay up the Pulis way, but that's just me.
That's fair enough mate , respect your opinion and I'd be tempted myself until I put on a  DVD of rubbish , soft defending. Truth is we need to find a middle ground.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 13, 2016, 11:11:35 AM
 
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 13, 2016, 10:59:41 AM
He had a good wadge (for the time) to spend at one point, but I think the most important comparitive stat is what the net spend was, which I don't have time to go digging out at the moment.
Net spend matters not compared to the riches of staying up , spoken like JP I know but that is/ was the clubs only goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 13, 2016, 11:13:18 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 13, 2016, 10:52:00 AM
Yeah , I was one who hated being sucker punched but if a team is going to fall for the same trick again and again... ...
Money wise I remember Mowbray spending probably about the same amount  modern day wise and getting relegated but that was alright because we played good football like artists.
Not a Pulis fan but I don't think everything is his fault as some like to make out , current issues were here long before him.

I used to wonder what would have happened if we hadn't beaten Stoke to the signature of Carson, gone for the cheaper option of Sørensen and spent the calamity kid's transfer fee elsewhere  :( .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on August 13, 2016, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 13, 2016, 11:08:39 AM

Truth is we need to find a middle ground.

Spot on comment for me & I think most of us would agree with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on August 13, 2016, 05:05:52 PM
No posts since we won

If we lost would be 2 new pages already

Well done tone and the team
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 13, 2016, 05:07:41 PM
Has a pretty phenomenal record against his former clubs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cheesyknackers on August 13, 2016, 05:08:04 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on August 13, 2016, 05:05:52 PM
No posts since we won

If we lost would be 2 new pages already

Well done tone and the team




Exactly.

Well Done
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 13, 2016, 05:10:35 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on August 13, 2016, 05:05:52 PM
No posts since we won

If we lost would be 2 new pages already

Well done tone and the team

I always leave it for Tone to silence the knockers!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on August 13, 2016, 05:13:36 PM
Only Pulis could get that result with those players. Considering the quality of the squad I thought we played well.
Well done Tony well done Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TLMS17 on August 13, 2016, 05:14:22 PM
Knocked him plenty of times, but slate him when we are awful, deserves credit when we win

We played well today, created a few chances, could easily have scored 2/3 more than we did. Hope we can kick on from this game and we don't go back to how we ended last season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 13, 2016, 05:18:54 PM
Quote from: bry on August 13, 2016, 05:13:36 PM
Only Pulis could get that result with those players. Considering the quality of the squad I thought we played well.
Well done Tony well done Albion.

Very pleased with the result but to suggest that 'only Pulis' is absolute cobblers. Our players are better than he lets them show, and while the win was very welcome, Palace were absolutely shocking so let's not get carried away and have another Pulis love in. We were a couple of great saves away from finishing with a draw.

Win this game or not, I still want him out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 13, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Quote from: frazzle on August 13, 2016, 05:18:54 PM
Very pleased with the result but to suggest that 'only Pulis' is absolute cobblers. Our players are better than he lets them show, and while the win was very welcome, Palace were absolutely shocking so let's not get carried away and have another Pulis love in. We were a couple of great saves away from finishing with a draw.

Win this game or not, I still want him out.
Win the league and some would still want him out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 13, 2016, 05:27:40 PM
Well done TP, really happy tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 13, 2016, 06:08:21 PM
Well done Mr Pulis, well done lads, well done travelling fans, hurry up home with me scarf son! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on August 13, 2016, 06:08:42 PM
Obviously Pulis deserves credit for tonight's win, but whether or not a manager is still right for a club is never dependent on individual games.

This is a good win, in fact a great win considering, but it doesn't change what Pulis is going to bring to the table. Palace were pretty awful in the back end of last season and I think they won less games than us in 2016. I also read they were the 2nd or 3rd lowest scoring team in the same period.

So yes fantastic win away, great start to the season and Pulis deserves a lot of credit for it and I feel on top of the world because of it, however....

I used to be in his corner, but I no longer think he is right for the club, the football is just too unwatchable for long periods. Football is a business built on points and being in the Prem is the ultimate place to be in the world of football, but it still needs to have a modicum of entertainment about it and Pulis is unlikely to ever be an entertaining manager, even a mildy entertaining one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on August 13, 2016, 06:15:55 PM
To be fair this was us at our resilient and confident best today showcasing Pulis at his best...... Getting wins away when unexpected and making the opposition look second rate going forward.
If only he would open up for the majority of home games and stop showing mediocre teams so much respect at the Hawthorns.
But, make no mistake, we were fairly comfortable today and Palace had no idea how to play us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 13, 2016, 06:22:40 PM
I find myself in the odd position of not being too enthusiastic, despite our having won the opening game.

The reason? I know full well that Pulis' side can win away, it can get a result against top teams (not calling Palace a top team!), but we'll be at home Vs the bottom club at some point and we'll play ultra defensive and scrape a draw, i just know it. I don't hate Pulis, I don't want him out no matter what, but I'm sick of the negativity.

Well done to all concerned for today's win! Boing Boing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 13, 2016, 06:25:20 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 13, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Win the league and some would still want him out.
No they wouldn't. To win the league you have to play to win, and if he did that, no one would have issue.
As I said earlier,, nothing wrong with that sort of performance away, if he can balance that with a bit more gumption at home, no problem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 13, 2016, 06:29:12 PM
I am absolutely not going to be won over by a 1:0 win against a Palace side who aren't world beaters despite having players with pace and an under utilised Cabaye but are managed by one of the few managers I wouldn't swap for Pulis. 

When I see some evidence of tactical progress joined up thinking in the transfer market and a well utilised squad I will be won over by him. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 13, 2016, 06:30:09 PM
I'm just going to enjoy the win and take it from there  8) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 13, 2016, 06:32:06 PM
Delighted with the three points but my stance on the man does not change, I want him out.

I know a team not far from us who won their first game last season, 1-0 from a set piece funnily enough. They finished bottom.

Again, I am pleased with the result, but don't kid yourselves that all is right with the world and Pulis is a tactical genius. Nothing has changed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 13, 2016, 06:43:11 PM
We had 13 shots and won 1-0. Better Saturday than Joe Hartß.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 13, 2016, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 13, 2016, 06:32:06 PM
Delighted with the three points but my stance on the man does not change, I want him out.

I know a team not far from us who won their first game last season, 1-0 from a set piece funnily enough. They finished bottom.

Again, I am pleased with the result, but don't kid yourselves that all is right with the world and Pulis is a tactical genius. Nothing has changed.
Oh dear.....we're doomed! :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 13, 2016, 06:57:16 PM
When we lose it's Pulis' fault. When we win Pulis is still at fault. Somethings don't change. Apart from him not getting slated because today we shot. Probably luck because normally he tells the players not too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 13, 2016, 07:01:12 PM
Love how my post was removed but there's plenty of very similar ones being allowed.

Admins on here are legendary , keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 13, 2016, 07:06:20 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 13, 2016, 06:57:16 PM
When we lose it's Pulis' fault. When we win Pulis is still at fault. Somethings don't change. Apart from him not getting slated because today we shot. Probably luck because normally he tells the players not too.
The way we play doesn't change, sometimes it gets results sometimes it doesn't. When it does it's bearable, when it doesn't it's not.
People don't dislike Pulis because of the results but the way he goes about getting them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 13, 2016, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 13, 2016, 07:01:12 PM
Love how my post was removed but there's plenty of very similar ones being allowed.

Admins on here are legendary , keep up the good work.

Try posting stuff that people can read then without all the text speak, that way it would have stayed on.

The text speak rules have only been in place for a few years, not as though its a new rule and telling people to go and watch someone else ain't going to stay on this forum at any time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on August 13, 2016, 07:16:51 PM
3 points to the Pulis way so nice one TP, if only he could had some flair it would make all the difference to our team,him & how players we try to buy look at us/him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 13, 2016, 07:19:30 PM
Professional performance today Evans at his no nonsense best. Have to say we looked OK going forward and great free kick by McLean for goal. So we'll done Tony only 37 points to go. COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 13, 2016, 07:36:41 PM
Still can't say it was an enjoyable game and our general play ain't great but it certainly wasnt as bad as last season. Good start, looked pretty comfortable. Well done baggies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on August 13, 2016, 07:46:54 PM
One win, let's see how the rest of the season goes before we get carried away, i am glad we won i always want us to win but it's still going to be horrible football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 13, 2016, 07:52:13 PM
Acid test will be in the home games, one swallow does not a summer make.

Just enjoying the win for this evening.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 13, 2016, 11:48:11 PM
We won 4 away games last year, total points 20. To start with a win this year is positive. Replicate the away form, better our home (23points) and it's mid table. Right signings that's achievable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 13, 2016, 11:57:52 PM
Mid table has never been in doubt despite the pant wetting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 14, 2016, 12:37:31 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 13, 2016, 11:57:52 PM
Mid table has never been in doubt despite the pant wetting.

Nosebleeds and tantrums if we hit 50odd points and finish 10th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 14, 2016, 12:46:09 AM
One of Tony Pulis's poor signings McClean puts in the cross for the goal. :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 14, 2016, 07:53:58 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 14, 2016, 12:46:09 AM
One of Tony Pulis's poor signings McClean puts in the cross for the goal. :-X

All players with the obvious exception of players that Pulis doesn't rate and Craig Gardner do make positive contributions, the issue is the frequency of these events in a season let alone a game.

With an attacking strategy almost entirely based on crosses provided the opposition is reasonably proficient at dealing with them we don't score. Playing Palace was like playing a mirror image of ourselves and on the day we were better at defending the crosses and as the away team had the luxury of sitting deep.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 14, 2016, 09:03:40 AM
Great result, a typical Pulis set up and performance. If only he could find a way of playing differently to that sometimes , especially at home , he'd probably be a long term manager of Albion in many fans eyes. Can't knock his knack of getting results.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 14, 2016, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 13, 2016, 11:57:52 PM
Mid table has never been in doubt despite the pant wetting.

Yes, thank goodness we secured safety with those three points after ONE GAME ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on August 14, 2016, 01:01:50 PM
Since Tony Pulis took charge on 10 January 2015, West Brom have kept 22 clean sheets in the top flight, a haul only Arsenal (26), Man City (23) and Man Utd (23) can better.

What a cracking stat that is, huge well done to the back line and tp and the coaching staff
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 14, 2016, 01:42:21 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on August 14, 2016, 01:01:50 PM
Since Tony Pulis took charge on 10 January 2015, West Brom have kept 22 clean sheets in the top flight, a haul only Arsenal (26), Man City (23) and Man Utd (23) can better.

What a cracking stat that is, huge well done to the back line and tp and the coaching staff
that god we've got a massive bus...just a shame we are terrible at everything else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on August 14, 2016, 02:34:51 PM
Glad we`ve  got God on our side Hunnington Baggie or our BUS wouldn't have beat Palace with a good performance yesterday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 14, 2016, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: Standaman on August 14, 2016, 07:53:58 AM
All players with the obvious exception of players that Pulis doesn't rate and Craig Gardner do make positive contributions, the issue is the frequency of these events in a season let alone a game.

With an attacking strategy almost entirely based on crosses provided the opposition is reasonably proficient at dealing with them we don't score. Playing Palace was like playing a mirror image of ourselves and on the day we were better at defending the crosses and as the away team had the luxury of sitting deep.

Just providing a little balance.

McClean and Gardner should not be starters, but they are valuable squad members, often forgotten by the Pulis haters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2016, 06:04:13 PM
Balance of our play was much better. Intent to get forward and of course the usual, dogged defending which makes us hard to beat. I can take that approach but my instincts tell me its a one-off more than the platform going forward.

One thing is noticeable however is when we defend so deep, how important someone like Schlupp is as he possesses the quality to carry us sixty yards up the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on August 14, 2016, 06:43:19 PM
A lot of people point to Pulis
But look at the same Palace team and how they've performed since he left,
I'm sure they'd swap their situation now for how it  was under Pulis
My feeling is, yes he is one dimensional, but if given the right personnel he could play the style that Palace were lauded for under his time there
He's always going to be a manager that gets the basics right first and against the majority of teams will sit back and counter attack
With Phillips and a few more additions this could be possible
I just hope we are careful what we wish for, no matter what anyone says I'd rather be in our position than the Vile or the Dingles
COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on August 14, 2016, 09:55:51 PM
Very much anti Pulls, but even I thought yesterday was OK. Well done Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on August 14, 2016, 09:56:17 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 14, 2016, 09:26:47 AM
Yes, thank goodness we secured safety with those three points after ONE GAME ::)

Safety comes with away wins like that...Palace are a decent side...not many inside or outside of West Bromwich would have had us down for three points...I didn't - very pleasing start
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 15, 2016, 10:24:26 AM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2016, 06:04:13 PM
Intent to get forward and of course the usual, dogged defending which makes us hard to beat. I can take that approach but my instincts tell me its a one-off more than the platform going forward.

Bet you were a lot happier on Saturday than when we spoke during half time at Selhurst Park last season  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on August 15, 2016, 01:11:40 PM
Any team in the Premier League would take getting an away win in those circumstances - Palace was a perfect away performance.

The problem people have is how we set up at home. If he can just let the shackles of slightly and be a bit more positive against a depleted Everton team next week, that's all I think we, as Albion fans, can ask for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 15, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
What do you make of his post match comments regarding players that have been at the club a long time and been good servants, but we need to freshen things up? This would only really apply to Brunt, Morrison, Dawson, McAuley, Olsson, Foster and maybe Yacob.
Are some of the old guard for the high jump? If so, I would say Brunt, Mozza and Olsson are most vulnerable, but haven't they all had contract extensions?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 15, 2016, 01:15:14 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on August 15, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
What do you make of his post match comments regarding players that have been at the club a long time and been good servants, but we need to freshen things up? This would only really apply to Brunt, Morrison, Dawson, McAuley, Olsson, Foster and maybe Yacob.
Are some of the old guard for the high jump? If so, I would say Brunt, Mozza and Olsson are most vulnerable, but haven't they all had contract extensions?.

evolution of a squad is always important.
centre half pairing of Olsson and McAuley while right now it's not our best pairing but with Evans at left back that is the same centre half pairing we had 5 years ago under Roy, and they weren't exactly classed as young back then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 15, 2016, 01:17:56 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on August 15, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
What do you make of his post match comments regarding players that have been at the club a long time and been good servants, but we need to freshen things up? This would only really apply to Brunt, Morrison, Dawson, McAuley, Olsson, Foster and maybe Yacob.
Are some of the old guard for the high jump? If so, I would say Brunt, Mozza and Olsson are most vulnerable, but haven't they all had contract extensions?.

Natural squad evolution. With the uncertainty surrounding the takeover earlier in the summer its no surprise we gave some contract extensions out given the amount of work that needs to be done with the squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 15, 2016, 01:21:50 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on August 15, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
What do you make of his post match comments regarding players that have been at the club a long time and been good servants, but we need to freshen things up? This would only really apply to Brunt, Morrison, Dawson, McAuley, Olsson, Foster and maybe Yacob.
Are some of the old guard for the high jump? If so, I would say Brunt, Mozza and Olsson are most vulnerable, but haven't they all had contract extensions?.

McAuley, Brunt, Morrison would all be good for the bench and Olsson IF he could perform consistently like he did on Saturday could join them though. Extending contracts by 1 or 2 years just gives us a decent bench for a couple more seasons. Freshening things up doesn't mean we have to sell them just that they might not be first choice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 15, 2016, 01:39:04 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on August 15, 2016, 01:17:56 PM
Natural squad evolution. With the uncertainty surrounding the takeover earlier in the summer its no surprise we gave some contract extensions out given the amount of work that needs to be done with the squad.
So, hopefully, we looking at a new CH, LB and AM + a Striker at the very least. Busy couple of weeks then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2016, 01:39:42 PM
Good performance from the coach on Saturday, hopefully were proactive this coming Saturday at Home
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 15, 2016, 03:50:48 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on August 15, 2016, 01:39:04 PM
So, hopefully, we looking at a new CH, LB and AM + a Striker at the very least. Busy couple of weeks then.

Evolution takes time by definition, I have hopes we can fill those positions in that time but realistically I struggle to see it happening.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 15, 2016, 05:32:37 PM
We haven't utilized the loan market yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 15, 2016, 06:29:01 PM
Quote from: section5 on August 14, 2016, 06:43:19 PM
A lot of people point to Pulis
But look at the same Palace team and how they've performed since he left,
I'm sure they'd swap their situation now for how it  was under Pulis
My feeling is, yes he is one dimensional, but if given the right personnel he could play the style that Palace were lauded for under his time there
He's always going to be a manager that gets the basics right first and against the majority of teams will sit back and counter attack
With Phillips and a few more additions this could be possible
I just hope we are careful what we wish for, no matter what anyone says I'd rather be in our position than the Vile or the Dingles
COYB
Totally disagree if Pulis had stayed at Palace he would have turned them into a stoke/west brom style outfit over time with the signings he would have bought in it's just what he does.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 15, 2016, 07:00:29 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on August 15, 2016, 06:29:01 PM
Totally disagree if Pulis had stayed at Palace he would have turned them into a stoke/west brom style outfit over time with the signings he would have bought in it's just what he does.
Why would he not build on what he had? It was working for him.Sometimes I think reality with a team/personnel need to be taken into account as to how he plays.We saw on Saturday a more attacking style with Phillips in.
With a few additions ? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 15, 2016, 09:52:47 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on August 15, 2016, 07:00:29 PM
Why would he not build on what he had? It was working for him.Sometimes I think reality with a team/personnel need to be taken into account as to how he plays.We saw on Saturday a more attacking style with Phillips in.
With a few additions ?
Agreed, I think he reacts to what he inherits. No-one can say we had the same pace in our team that Palace had in Bolasie, Zaha and Puncheon....and he is doing more than any recent manager to inject some pace into our squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 15, 2016, 11:18:42 PM
Dare I say it?
Alex Ferguson was hated at Man Utd when he first went there.
Could the same thing happen to Pulis, if he does get an attacking and winning team?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 16, 2016, 08:15:32 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 15, 2016, 11:18:42 PM
Dare I say it?
Alex Ferguson was hated at Man Utd when he first went there.
Could the same thing happen to Pulis, if he does get an attacking and winning team?

If he does, I will change my stance willingly, can't see it though!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on August 16, 2016, 08:21:54 AM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on August 15, 2016, 06:29:01 PM
Totally disagree if Pulis had stayed at Palace he would have turned them into a stoke/west brom style outfit over time with the signings he would have bought in it's just what he does.

as opposed to where they are at now with Pardew? or since Pulis left?
Too much emphasis on style i suppose, but his style with Palace wasn't much different, defensive, same sort of possession statistics, counter attacking
,just the personnel at Palace that were more capable of playing this style in a more aesthetically pleasing manner to what we do now?
Given time I believe Pulis will be the right man for us, hopefully he can start bringing in these 5 players and make a team.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 16, 2016, 08:32:38 AM
Pulis will have a shelf life with most supporters of any team and thats about 1 season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 16, 2016, 08:35:40 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 15, 2016, 11:18:42 PM
Dare I say it?
Alex Ferguson was hated at Man Utd when he first went there.
Could the same thing happen to Pulis, if he does get an attacking and winning team?

Fergie was a one off. He's not to be used as a benchmark for comparison. This always gets used when someone is facing the axe 'Give 'X' time, Fergie was almost sacked and look what he acheived.'

Where would we be now if we gave Robson and Irvine time? I dread to think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 16, 2016, 08:41:45 AM
He got Stoke promoted with a very average Championship team and kept them there by narrowing the pitch, swamping the opposition box with big players on set pieces and Delap throws, using what he had effectively, at Palace he inherited a counter attacking side with genuine pace and used it accordingly.

With us he inherited a pace less, ageing squad with several inadequate players, I have supported him because he has done a job with what he had, this season he will hopefully get in players he genuinely wants and we can finally see some genuine improvement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 16, 2016, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: BB74 on August 16, 2016, 08:35:40 AM
Fergie was a one off. He's not to be used as a benchmark for comparison. This always gets used when someone is facing the axe 'Give 'X' time, Fergie was almost sacked and look what he acheived.'

Where would we be now if we gave Robson and Irvine time? I dread to think.

Robson and Irvine had no track record and were both clearly inadequate, Pulis clearly is not in this category.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2016, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 16, 2016, 08:41:45 AM
He got Stoke promoted with a very average Championship team and kept them there by narrowing the pitch, swamping the opposition box with big players on set pieces and Delap throws, using what he had effectively, at Palace he inherited a counter attacking side with genuine pace and used it accordingly.

With us he inherited a pace less, ageing squad with several inadequate players, I have supported him because he has done a job with what he had, this season he will hopefully get in players he genuinely wants and we can finally see some genuine improvement.
He was at Stoke for 7 years in his second spell there and made no attempt whatsoever to modify their playing style despite having ample opportunity to, as well as an excellent transfer budget. Therefore, I don't really understand why people would expect him to behave differently here. Palace was an aberration, because he was there for so short a time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 16, 2016, 09:49:06 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 16, 2016, 09:43:00 AM
He was at Stoke for 7 years in his second spell there and made no attempt whatsoever to modify their playing style despite having ample opportunity to, as well as an excellent transfer budget. Therefore, I don't really understand why people would expect him to behave differently here. Palace was an aberration, because he was there for so short a time.

I totally agree with this. Given the opportunity Pulis will sign more wingers and defenders. Style will never change under him but there may be slight improvement by virtue of having better players at his disposal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on August 16, 2016, 09:49:49 AM
Palace didn't play that amazingly either, most people's judgement is made on the Liverpool comeback when they were safe and all the pressure was on Liverpool pushing for goal difference and the game when they beat us convincingly at Selhurst. Ask most Palace fans and they will tell you there was a lot of typical Pulis rubbish in between but it suited them and keep them up but not many were upset when he left, and regardless of Saturday I don't think many would want him back now either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on August 16, 2016, 02:17:24 PM
i have to say i was going off him in a major way
i have seen lots of games in the last 22 months
however, on Saturday, i changed my view.
We haven't bought players because he is very particular about who he wants
when he gets who he wants then we have a chance of them being good - particularly if its someone he really wants and not a panic buy
i have faith that if we can land a couple more of his a list of targets that we will do well
time is ticking - what will not work under pullis is panic buying with crossed fingers - much better to only take in what we can use
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 16, 2016, 05:35:01 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 16, 2016, 08:41:45 AM
He got Stoke promoted with a very average Championship team and kept them there by narrowing the pitch, swamping the opposition box with big players on set pieces and Delap throws, using what he had effectively, at Palace he inherited a counter attacking side with genuine pace and used it accordingly.

With us he inherited a pace less, ageing squad with several inadequate players, I have supported him because he has done a job with what he had, this season he will hopefully get in players he genuinely wants and we can finally see some genuine improvement.
Fully agree with you mate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 16, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 16, 2016, 08:41:45 AM
He got Stoke promoted with a very average Championship team and kept them there by narrowing the pitch, swamping the opposition box with big players on set pieces and Delap throws, using what he had effectively, at Palace he inherited a counter attacking side with genuine pace and used it accordingly.

With us he inherited a pace less, ageing squad with several inadequate players, I have supported him because he has done a job with what he had, this season he will hopefully get in players he genuinely wants and we can finally see some genuine improvement.
will this be his 4th transfer window? the team is older and slower than when he arrived.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 06:36:57 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 16, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
will this be his 4th transfer window? the team is older and slower than when he arrived.

Time, in passing by shocker...

Jesus wept some of the posts on here are indefensible.

 :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 16, 2016, 06:41:20 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 06:36:57 PM
Time, in passing by shocker...

Jesus wept some of the posts on here are indefensible.

 :P
trust you mate. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 16, 2016, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 06:36:57 PM
Time, in passing by shocker...

Jesus wept some of the posts on here are indefensible.

 :P

The squad wouldn't be older ON AVERAGE if he'd got rid of dinosaurs like Olsson and evolved the squad with younger players, but hey you stick to your pedantic, patronising posts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 07:54:09 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 16, 2016, 07:50:53 PM
The squad wouldn't be older ON AVERAGE if he'd got rid of dinosaurs like Olsson and evolved the squad with younger players, but hey you stick to your pedantic, patronising posts.

You stick to your negative, woe is me, Pulis is the root of all evil narrative... The poster in question didn't mention any averages, and took my post in the spirit it was meant.

3 points from 3, Boing Boing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 16, 2016, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 07:54:09 PM
You stick to your negative, woe is me, Pulis is the root of all evil narrative... The poster in question didn't mention any averages, and took my post in the spirit it was meant.

3 points from 3, Boing Boing.

I will stick to my opinion thanks, I'm sure I'm not the only one.

3 points from 3, 37 to go until we lift the 40 point trophy again, get the open top bus ready! :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 16, 2016, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 07:54:09 PM
You stick to your negative, woe is me, Pulis is the root of all evil narrative... The poster in question didn't mention any averages, and took my post in the spirit it was meant.

3 points from 3, Boing Boing.

I console myself that Norwich and Newcastle played 'proper' football and went down, Pulis sold our neighbours the fans 'player of the year' and they went down, I know whose judgement I back!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 16, 2016, 08:44:06 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 07:54:09 PM
You stick to your negative, woe is me, Pulis is the root of all evil narrative... The poster in question didn't mention any averages, and took my post in the spirit it was meant.

3 points from 3, Boing Boing.

...or one win in ten. Though I'm sure that theres a reason why that stat doesn't matter as it doesn't fit the pro-Pulis blinkers on narrative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 08:59:26 PM
Quote from: frazzle on August 16, 2016, 08:44:06 PM
...or one win in ten. Though I'm sure that theres a reason why that stat doesn't matter as it doesn't fit the pro-Pulis blinkers on narrative.

One win in one... Or 18 wins in 57. Stats stats stats.

Newsflash, we don't win the majority of our matches. But 72 points from a possible 171 (or 1.26 points per game) is extremely good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 16, 2016, 09:14:01 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 08:59:26 PM
One win in one... Or 18 wins in 57. Stats stats stats.

Newsflash, we don't win the majority of our matches. But 72 points from a possible 171 (or 1.26 points per game) is extremely good.

Just a shame we have to be so negative about it and won't have make any lasting memory on the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 16, 2016, 09:28:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 08:59:26 PM
One win in one... Or 18 wins in 57. Stats stats stats.

Newsflash, we don't win the majority of our matches. But 72 points from a possible 171 (or 1.26 points per game) is extremely good.

No one can be realistically upset with the points score. But it's dull as ditch water to watch and isn't it supposed to be entertainment?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 09:30:48 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on August 16, 2016, 09:28:56 PM
No one can be realistically upset with the points score. But it's dull as ditch water to watch and isn't it supposed to be entertainment?

It's a new season, we've only got one point of reference and I defy anyone who made the trip to Selhurst say they weren't happy/entertained.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 16, 2016, 09:48:54 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 16, 2016, 08:02:28 PM
I will stick to my opinion thanks, I'm sure I'm not the only one.

3 points from 3, 37 to go until we lift the 40 point trophy again, get the open top bus ready! :P
 
Something Mowbray couldn't do ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 10:05:24 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 16, 2016, 09:48:54 PM
 
Something Mowbray couldn't do ;)

See your input is usually good mate, but trolling Albion fans means you won't last long on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on August 17, 2016, 01:20:03 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 16, 2016, 09:48:54 PM
 
Something Mowbray couldn't do ;)

Always welcome the opinion of 'Northeners' when it comes to the opinions of our richly diverse and passionate football hub here in the Midlands. Just who are your rivals again.?..more to the point, who cares! Go and have a 'prod' on a Manc site and see if they bother to take you seriously!! We seriously only consider Wolves, Villa and to some extent Blues as rivals in any way shape or form - to explain best how Albion fans regard Stoke FC....probably a bit like a fart that you manage to catch a whiff of and a little surprised it covered such a distance. 😕
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 17, 2016, 09:56:14 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2016, 08:59:26 PM
One win in one... Or 18 wins in 57. Stats stats stats.

Newsflash, we don't win the majority of our matches. But 72 points from a possible 171 (or 1.26 points per game) is extremely good.

Steve Clarke won 19 in 59 and was still sacked.  :P

In fact he won 71 points from 177 (1.2 points per game) and had less money to spend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 17, 2016, 09:57:04 AM
Yeah I know Jacko, I just find it highly amusing how some posters forget about your Premier League history in order to have a dig. In the 10 full seasons of Premier League football you've reached the 40 point mark 5 times. With the last couple being under the nasty Pulis!

When Claudio Ranieri says 40 points is the first target and he gets praise for keeping his eye on the ball and not planning too far ahead. When Pulis says 40 points is the first target he gets labelled a dinosaur. Sean Dyche did a cracking interview the other week saying the exact same thing: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37027663
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 17, 2016, 10:46:08 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 17, 2016, 09:57:04 AM
Yeah I know Jacko, I just find it highly amusing how some posters forget about your Premier League history in order to have a dig. In the 10 full seasons of Premier League football you've reached the 40 point mark 5 times. With the last couple being under the nasty Pulis!

When Claudio Ranieri says 40 points is the first target and he gets praise for keeping his eye on the ball and not planning too far ahead. When Pulis says 40 points is the first target he gets labelled a dinosaur. Sean Dyche did a cracking interview the other week saying the exact same thing: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37027663

Don't you realise that dinosaur is the new antidisestablishmentarianism (opposition to the disestablishment of the Church of England.) (allegedly the longest word in the English Dictionary)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 17, 2016, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 17, 2016, 09:56:14 AM
Steve Clarke won 19 in 59 and was still sacked.  :P

In fact he won 71 points from 177 (1.2 points per game) and had less money to spend.

He also probably inherited the best most balanced squad in our Premier League history and was slowly screwing it up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 17, 2016, 11:17:34 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 17, 2016, 09:57:04 AM
Yeah I know Jacko, I just find it highly amusing how some posters forget about your Premier League history in order to have a dig. In the 10 full seasons of Premier League football you've reached the 40 point mark 5 times. With the last couple being under the nasty Pulis!

When Claudio Ranieri says 40 points is the first target and he gets praise for keeping his eye on the ball and not planning too far ahead. When Pulis says 40 points is the first target he gets labelled a dinosaur. Sean Dyche did a cracking interview the other week saying the exact same thing: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37027663

Pulis doesn't get slated for his ability to accumulate points though does he, and where did he get called a dinosaur for wanting to reach 40 points?
It's his methods that are called into question. If we all opened the paper or looked at Teletext to check the results he would be fine, the problem is we don't.
And,WE are fully aware of OUR Premier League history, I think you are confusing it with your own and the blurred lines, of where Pulis left Stoke and joined WBA, are a bit lost on you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 17, 2016, 11:21:01 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 17, 2016, 10:56:06 AM
He also probably inherited the best most balanced squad in our Premier League history and was slowly screwing it up.

Results dictated that he had to go at the time however I think it is harsh to say he was screwing the squad up. His (like all our coaches) hands were tied massively when it came to transfers. We had an appalling summer transfer wise and I'm not too sure how much of a say Clarke had in that. We played well in quite a few games early part of that season and should have secured a lot more points. Pulis (again hands tied to a degree) has been well backed money wise but still hasn't addressed major issues in the squad and bought some right duffers. We are no better now that what we were back then but play much worse football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 17, 2016, 11:22:46 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 17, 2016, 09:57:04 AM
Yeah I know Jacko, I just find it highly amusing how some posters forget about your Premier League history in order to have a dig. In the 10 full seasons of Premier League football you've reached the 40 point mark 5 times. With the last couple being under the nasty Pulis!

When Claudio Ranieri says 40 points is the first target and he gets praise for keeping his eye on the ball and not planning too far ahead. When Pulis says 40 points is the first target he gets labelled a dinosaur. Sean Dyche did a cracking interview the other week saying the exact same thing: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37027663

Genuine question but would you swap him for Hughes? Are you happier with your squad and style now than you were under Pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 17, 2016, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 17, 2016, 11:21:01 AM
Results dictated that he had to go at the time however I think it is harsh to say he was screwing the squad up. His (like all our coaches) hands were tied massively when it came to transfers. We had an appalling summer transfer wise and I'm not too sure how much of a say Clarke had in that. We played well in quite a few games early part of that season and should have secured a lot more points. Pulis (again hands tied to a degree) has been well backed money wise but still hasn't addressed major issues in the squad and bought some right duffers. We are no better now that what we were back then but play much worse football.
The biggest difference between Pulis and Clarke, as well as many other failed managers, is his ability to dig out points. He very rarely loses 3 in a row and that is not down to luck.
When Ramires dived to scrape a point for Chelsea, Clarke was distraught and the team went on a downward spiral, couldn't buy a result and he had no answer. This wouldn't happen under Pulis, he would have gone back to basics, dug in and scraped some results together. To this end he is a massive positive, if he could only ride the peaks (by being a bit more expansive) as well as he halts the troughs, I don't think I would have any issue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 17, 2016, 11:45:02 AM
Im a simple man, a single shot on target a game would be good for me.

That would be an improvement over last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 17, 2016, 12:14:00 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on August 17, 2016, 11:17:34 AM
Pulis doesn't get slated for his ability to accumulate points though does he, and where did he get called a dinosaur for wanting to reach 40 points?
It's his methods that are called into question. If we all opened the paper or looked at Teletext to check the results he would be fine, the problem is we don't.
And,WE are fully aware of OUR Premier League history, I think you are confusing it with your own and the blurred lines, of where Pulis left Stoke and joined WBA, are a bit lost on you.

Is it really as bad as some of you make out though? Pulis was the 4th different head coach in 2 seasons so it's not like he walked into a successful setup as Clarke did. Going through so many different guys tells me their results and style's have also been wrong over the years.

Stoke went in another direction and have only had 2 managers during the Premier League era. Peace and Coates have made themselves a lot of money so they're both winners.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2016, 12:28:25 PM
What's going on with our transfer woes at present serves to illustrate that a club like ours can't afford to have a bomb squad with 4 players in it (if you include Lambert). Managers have to make every effort to keep players who aren't being regularly selected happy and motivated so that they're as ready as possible to play when called up on. Pulis just ostracizes them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 17, 2016, 12:41:46 PM
I haven't seen any reports about this "bomb squad".  I see we have players who aren't quite good enough to nail down a first team place - every squad will have those.  Is there some interviews I'm missing where the players aren't training with the full squad or something?  Or is just down to "this guy isn't playing, he's in the bomb squad"?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 17, 2016, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on August 17, 2016, 12:41:46 PM
I haven't seen any reports about this "bomb squad".  I see we have players who aren't quite good enough to nail down a first team place - every squad will have those.  Is there some interviews I'm missing where the players aren't training with the full squad or something?  Or is just down to "this guy isn't playing, he's in the bomb squad"?

Come on, so the term has not been specifically used but the evidence is clear for all to see.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 17, 2016, 12:49:29 PM
I think there's a big difference in attitude between "squad players rarely used" and "bomb squad".  When I've seen the term bomb squad used previously it's been with players made to train with the youngsters for various disciplinary reasons, like Wolves with Doyle\O'Hara. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2016, 02:33:44 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on August 17, 2016, 12:49:29 PM
I think there's a big difference in attitude between "squad players rarely used" and "bomb squad".  When I've seen the term bomb squad used previously it's been with players made to train with the youngsters for various disciplinary reasons, like Wolves with Doyle\O'Hara.
You're playing pointless semantic games. The facts are:

1) Gamboa and Pocognoli were rarely on the bench last season.
2) The pre-season involvement of the 4 bomb squad members with the first team squad was either minimal or non-existent.
3) Pulis preferred 2 completely unproven teenagers on the bench to 3 of the bomb squad members on Saturday.

Pulis isn't going to select them unless he's completely and utterly desperate, in which scenario they'll be expected to come in and play despite being ostracized by him the rest of the team. You can try and dress it up however you want, but it boils down to lousy man management, particularly considering that 2 of them have been signed on his watch.

As you will no doubt have seen from the Guardian article that was recently reposted, Pulis did exactly the same thing at Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on August 17, 2016, 08:16:22 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 16, 2016, 08:12:49 PM
I console myself that Norwich and Newcastle played 'proper' football and went down, Pulis sold our neighbours the fans 'player of the year' and they went down, I know whose judgement I back!


Loving this
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on August 17, 2016, 08:20:29 PM
Quote
You're playing pointless semantic games. The facts are:

1) Gamboa and Pocognoli were rarely on the bench last season.
2) The pre-season involvement of the 4 bomb squad members with the first team squad was either minimal or non-existent.
3) Pulis preferred 2 completely unproven teenagers on the bench to 3 of the bomb squad members on Saturday.

Pulis isn't going to select them unless he's completely and utterly desperate, in which scenario they'll be expected to come in and play despite being ostracized by him the rest of the team. You can try and dress it up however you want, but it boils down to lousy man management, particularly considering that 2 of them have been signed on his watch.

As you will no doubt have seen from the Guardian article that was recently reposted, Pulis did exactly the same thing at Stoke.

I getting so tired of reading the same old claptrap from the Pulis haters. Can't they go off and create their own forum where they can carry on feeding their own prejudices to the hearts content and stop boring the pants off the rest of us. I've checked and wehatepulis.com is available.

What we do know as fact is that Pulis sets great store on fitness. It may well be that he doesn't regard the so-called 'bomb squad' as being fit enough for first-team action. Or maybe they are incapable of following team instructions or any one of a dozen other possibilities.

What we also know as fact is that there is no queue of clubs eager to sign up Pocognoli and/or Gamboa. They were poor signings in the first place and it looks like we're stuck with them until their contracts expire. Pocognoli has had the chance to go out on lone and prove his worth but he's refused to do that, preferring to pick up a nice fat wage every week for doing sweet fa.

I see nothing wrong with giving some of our promising youngsters the chance to be involved with the first-team squad - unproven teenagers have to start somewhere. Not so long ago Pulis was accused by the hate brigade of not giving any of our Academy players a chance. Now he's doing just that and he's getting flak for it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 08:38:46 PM
Callum McManaman. The only player Pulis has signed permanently who has truly flopped and we'd lose a lot of money on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 17, 2016, 08:41:01 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 08:38:46 PM
Callum McManaman. The only player Pulis has signed permanently who has truly flopped and we'd lose a lot of money on.

Lambert?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 08:42:52 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 17, 2016, 08:41:01 PM
Lambert?

Good point, seemed to think he was an AI signing. 2's still not a bad number. Still gutted Rickie never done it here. Class footballer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 17, 2016, 08:44:21 PM
Quote from: Xpresso on August 17, 2016, 08:20:29 PM
I getting so tired of reading the same old claptrap from the Pulis haters. Can't they go off and create their own forum where they can carry on feeding their own prejudices to the hearts content and stop boring the pants off the rest of us. I've checked and wehatepulis.com is available.

What we do know as fact is that Pulis sets great store on fitness. It may well be that he doesn't regard the so-called 'bomb squad' as being fit enough for first-team action. Or maybe they are incapable of following team instructions or any one of a dozen other possibilities.

What we also know as fact is that there is no queue of clubs eager to sign up Pocognoli and/or Gamboa. They were poor signings in the first place and it looks like we're stuck with them until their contracts expire. Pocognoli has had the chance to go out on lone and prove his worth but he's refused to do that, preferring to pick up a nice fat wage every week for doing sweet fa.

I see nothing wrong with giving some of our promising youngsters the chance to be involved with the first-team squad - unproven teenagers have to start somewhere. Not so long ago Pulis was accused by the hate brigade of not giving any of our Academy players a chance. Now he's doing just that and he's getting flak for it.

Whilst I respect your opinion I'm also fed up with the clap trap spouted by the Pulis supporters. The man can do no wrong in some peoples eyes. Ask yourself why there is around 4000 unsold tickets for the first home game of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 17, 2016, 08:45:40 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 08:38:46 PM
Callum McManaman. The only player Pulis has signed permanently who has truly flopped and we'd lose a lot of money on.
how do we know how much we would lose until he's sold, in fact we may make a profit on him, not sure but didn't we on Chester?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 17, 2016, 08:44:21 PM
Whilst I respect your opinion I'm also fed up with the clap trap spouted by the Pulis supporters. The man can do no wrong in some peoples eyes. Ask yourself why there is around 4000 unsold tickets for the first home game of the season.

Because people want Pulis results with Guardiola's football on a low budget.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on August 17, 2016, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 08:49:45 PM
Chester was one of the best CB's at the Euro's. If you think we'll recoup what we paid for McManaman I admire your ability to type wearing a straightjacket.
Yeah that's why the top clubs in the premier league and Europe were fighting over signing him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 17, 2016, 08:53:54 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 08:38:46 PM
Callum McManaman. The only player Pulis has signed permanently who has truly flopped and we'd lose a lot of money on.

I guess, but in terms of the bigger picture, Gnabry, Lindegaard, Sandro all poor signings. Chester and Lambert didnt work out - so that's 5 players in the squad, signed by Pulis, that have had hardly any time on the pitch.

If those squad positions had been filled by half decent quality then maybe we wouldn't have had to rely on McLean and Gardner, and Evans at lb.

On the positive side though, he has secured the bargain of the century in Evans.

To be fair though, I honestly don't know how our players are identified and who has the final say. All I know is that if I was a half decent footballer, considering a side ways step to a club like ours, then the style of play could become a real consideration in my final decision.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 17, 2016, 09:15:59 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 08:46:35 PM
Because people want Pulis results with Guardiola's football on a low budget.

A shot on target each game would be a good start. Not asking the world is it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: popbaggie28 on August 17, 2016, 09:16:55 PM
I do not know what the problem is with Pullis I really rate him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 09:20:02 PM
Quote from: bry on August 17, 2016, 08:51:36 PM
Yeah that's why the top clubs in the premier league and Europe were fighting over signing him.

Not sure what relevance that has to his performance in the Euro's, as he undoubtedly was one of the best. Which directly impacted our ability to recoup what we paid.

Gnabry is a quality player who wasn't picked for reasons other than ability. Pulls could not foresee this. Lindegaard was a better 3rd choice than any other in the perm. A necessity knowing Foster was out for so long.

As for Sandra, another who we won't have lost much on. Wages and loan fee. My point stands.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2016, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 08:42:52 PM
Good point, seemed to think he was an AI signing. 2's still not a bad number.
Until you consider that it's 2 out of 4 based on your original criteria!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2016, 09:22:42 PM
Quote from: frazzle on August 17, 2016, 08:53:54 PM
I guess, but in terms of the bigger picture, Gnabry, Lindegaard, Sandro all poor signings. Chester and Lambert didnt work out - so that's 5 players in the squad, signed by Pulis, that have had hardly any time on the pitch.
Don't forget Pritchard.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 17, 2016, 09:23:20 PM
Quote from: popbaggie28 on August 17, 2016, 09:16:55 PM
I do not know what the problem is with Pullis I really rate him
The problem I have is that he seems to have a don't lose mentality when in some games a try and win mentality is what is needed. The FA Cup games last season were great examples of this and our home games against Watford, Villa, Norwich, Swansea. I don't mind it in away games but not at home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 09:26:59 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2016, 09:20:49 PM
Until you consider that it's 2 out of 4 based on your original criteria!

Fletcher, McLean, Chester, Evans, Rondon, Lindegaard.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 17, 2016, 09:35:20 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 17, 2016, 08:44:21 PM
Whilst I respect your opinion I'm also fed up with the clap trap spouted by the Pulis supporters. The man can do no wrong in some peoples eyes. Ask yourself why there is around 4000 unsold tickets for the first home game of the season.
Had we had carried on without Pulis and gone down as was very likely we would be a lot more than 4000 (your figures I don't dispute them as I have no interest in them) we could have lost more?
Fact is he was employed to do a very difficult job after substandard previous management.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2016, 09:39:34 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 09:26:59 PM
Fletcher, McLean, Chester, Evans, Rondon, Lindegaard.
Your original criteria were "(players who) Pulis has signed permanently who truly flopped and we'd lose a lot of money on." Fletcher was a free transfer and McLean cost £1.5m, so we can't lose much on them. Lindegaard was a free transfer and never played for us, so I'm not quite sure on what basis you're including him in your list? With Chester, Evans and Rondon remaining, it's actually 2 out of 5 who've flopped and we'll probably lose money on - apologies.

To my mind, though, the most important criterion is whether the signings failed, rather than how much money we've lost on them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 17, 2016, 09:43:18 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 17, 2016, 08:44:21 PM
Whilst I respect your opinion I'm also fed up with the clap trap spouted by the Pulis supporters. The man can do no wrong in some peoples eyes. Ask yourself why there is around 4000 unsold tickets for the first home game of the season.

Yep, just checked and a rough count is soewhere between 3500 and 4000 unsold seatsin the home areas. I suspect Everton will bring a decent following but if it were to be a smaller club we may struggle to break 20,000!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2016, 09:39:34 PM
Your original criteria were "(players who) Pulis has signed permanently who truly flopped and we'd lose a lot of money on." Fletcher was a free transfer and McLean cost £1.5m, so we can't lose much on them. Lindegaard was a free transfer and never played for us, so I'm not quite sure on what basis you're including him in your list? With Chester, Evans and Rondon remaining, it's actually 2 out of 5 who've flopped and we'll probably lose money on - apologies.

To my mind, though, the most important criterion is whether the signings failed, rather than how much money we've lost on them.

My point was McManaman is the only costly signing Pulis has made. I missed Lambert so he can be added too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 18, 2016, 07:50:06 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2016, 09:39:34 PM
Your original criteria were "(players who) Pulis has signed permanently who truly flopped and we'd lose a lot of money on." Fletcher was a free transfer and McLean cost £1.5m, so we can't lose much on them. Lindegaard was a free transfer and never played for us, so I'm not quite sure on what basis you're including him in your list? With Chester, Evans and Rondon remaining, it's actually 2 out of 5 who've flopped and we'll probably lose money on - apologies.

To my mind, though, the most important criterion is whether the signings failed, rather than how much money we've lost on them.

league cup at Norwich we lost 3-0.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 18, 2016, 08:04:48 AM
Just for the moment, forget about Pulis style of play.

Under TP you can be pretty certain the Albion will finish anywhere between 12th - 16th.

If that is where you want the Albion to be then he is your man.

If you want the Albion to finish between 1st-12th, then the Albion will have to look for a different manager and back him with a good sized transfer kitty; 2.5million net per season since 2004 ain't good enough.

Don't back that manager we run a huge risk of going down.

If you don't back (transfers) Pulis; 12th-16th; it would appear from his Stoke days if you do back Pulis, 12th-16th is what you can expect.

Up to the new owners to decide where they see our football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 18, 2016, 08:10:26 AM
Quote from: frazzle on August 17, 2016, 09:43:18 PM
Yep, just checked and a rough count is soewhere between 3500 and 4000 unsold seatsin the home areas. I suspect Everton will bring a decent following but if it were to be a smaller club we may struggle to break 20,000!

This is the proof of how much support Pulis' approach to games has over the season in my mind. If only we could be more ambitious and attack more at home I think many of the fans fed up with Pulis wouldn't have turned. Still, the same happened at Stoke and Palace fans I've spoken to were bored to tears of the way he set them up. Will he learn and understand at least some fans pay to be entertained inspite of a few going to the ground regardless of how we play?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 18, 2016, 08:27:51 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 18, 2016, 07:50:06 AM
league cup at Norwich we lost 3-0.
Apologies, I obviously blinked and missed it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 18, 2016, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 18, 2016, 08:27:51 AM
Apologies, I obviously blinked and missed it.
Don't worry about it mate, I wish I could forget it, we had Anichebe as the holding midfielder!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 18, 2016, 08:37:35 AM
I've already stated why signing Lindegaard was a good and required one. Even if nigh on unused.

Home form will dictate this seasons finish. Better home form last year and we'd have been Top 10. It wasn't yet we still stayed up comfortably. Pulis has spent money since taking over, nets spend £30m+ last season. The takeover had its effect and now we're playing catch up. Of his big signings, Evans and Rondon are arguably the first two names on the sheet.

We've had managers with far worse records in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 18, 2016, 08:43:59 AM
Quote from: Xpresso on August 17, 2016, 08:20:29 PM
I getting so tired of reading the same old claptrap from the Pulis haters. Can't they go off and create their own forum where they can carry on feeding their own prejudices to the hearts content and stop boring the pants off the rest of us. I've checked and wehatepulis.com is available.

If you can't accept that people have different views then maybe internet forums aren't for you.

There are certain people on here I strongly disagree with, but they still have a right to an opinion and as much as I will argue the toss with them they have every right to be here and express their views as you and I do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 18, 2016, 08:52:46 AM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2016, 08:46:35 PM
Because people want Pulis results with Guardiola's football on a low budget.

Something a little less turgid would be nice. Clarke's record here was almost identical to that of TP's yet he was sacked. Hodgson managed to get the balance right. It can be done. Setting out games at home against the likes of Bournemouth with a negative approach and still losing is unacceptable.

Quote from: glosterbaggie on August 17, 2016, 09:35:20 PM
Had we had carried on without Pulis and gone down as was very likely we would be a lot more than 4000 (your figures I don't dispute them as I have no interest in them) we could have lost more?
Fact is he was employed to do a very difficult job after substandard previous management.

I advocated his appointment and was delighted when he got the job. He was the right man at the time to sort the mess out. You can't argue with the fact that he has achieved what JP wanted - survival. Job done thank you very much. Can he move us forward? I very much doubt it. He should have been replaced at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 18, 2016, 09:00:40 AM
Quote from: frazzle on August 17, 2016, 09:43:18 PM
Yep, just checked and a rough count is soewhere between 3500 and 4000 unsold seatsin the home areas. I suspect Everton will bring a decent following but if it were to be a smaller club we may struggle to break 20,000!

Where did you get your figures from?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on August 18, 2016, 09:52:04 AM
Quote
If you can't accept that people have different views then maybe internet forums aren't for you.

There are certain people on here I strongly disagree with, but they still have a right to an opinion and as much as I will argue the toss with them they have every right to be here and express their views as you and I do.

No, what's utterly pathetic is the same people saying the same things over and over and over and over again.

This thread is currently on 414 pages, with over 10,300 posts.

Yes, everyone's entitled to an opinion, but you know what they say about opinions!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: staticboy on August 18, 2016, 10:00:49 AM
I don't hate him or love him. I feel numb to the whole thing. Besides if TP walked out now, I think we would be in a complete mess.

I spend far too much time looking on this site to find out if we have any good news or have signed anybody but it doesn't seem to be happening yet. Yes time is running out. But, at a guess, I'm sure we will get about 3 players in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 18, 2016, 10:11:42 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 18, 2016, 09:00:40 AM
Where did you get your figures from?

Have a look at the online ticket site. There is approx. 2000 tickets available still in the Brummie.  :o Shocking for first game of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 18, 2016, 10:36:56 AM
Can we cut the personal digs at each other please, posts will be removed or edited if they carry personal comments. Bew nice if some read the rules of the forum from time to time especially members who have been on here a long time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 18, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
I distinctly remember people complaining about the quality of the football under Hodgson as well.

We look back now and go "that was all ok", but at the time there were still a lot of complaints.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 18, 2016, 10:49:13 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 18, 2016, 10:11:42 AM
Have a look at the online ticket site. There is approx. 2000 tickets available still in the Brummie.  :o Shocking for first game of the season.

Just had a look Smethwick - sold out. East Stand - circa 1000. West Stand - circa 200 brummie - circa 2000. of which 750 upper & 1300 lower

Perhaps it's a Brummie Road problem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 18, 2016, 10:53:56 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on August 18, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
I distinctly remember people complaining about the quality of the football under Hodgson as well.

We look back now and go "that was all ok", but at the time there were still a lot of complaints.

Indeed there was. However Hodgson took the handbrake off on many occasions. Would we have gone and beat the Dingles 5-1 on their own patch under Pulis? Hodgson had the balance spot on IMO. No reason why Pulis can't do this either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 18, 2016, 08:58:18 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 18, 2016, 09:00:40 AM
Where did you get your figures from?

I looked at the website where it shows the number of available tickets at each zone of the stand.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 18, 2016, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: frazzle on August 18, 2016, 08:58:18 PM
I looked at the website where it shows the number of available tickets at each zone of the stand.

Thanks, got that earlier from Smethwick - Looks as though the Brummie is half of the shortfall, SE is all but sold out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 19, 2016, 06:59:39 AM
I think it is pretty obvious fans are voting with their feet. I know more than a few long term season ticket holders that haven't renewed and Pulis is at the very least a big part of their reasoning. Personally I thought about not renewing which is something I never thought I would even consider and that is entirely due to the type of football Pulis serves up.

It will be interesting to see where we are in relation to last season's attendances which very rarely broke 25,000.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 19, 2016, 07:11:48 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 19, 2016, 06:59:39 AM
I think it is pretty obvious fans are voting with their feet. I know more than a few long term season ticket holders that haven't renewed and Pulis is at the very least a big part of their reasoning. Personally I thought about not renewing which is something I never thought I would even consider and that is entirely due to the type of football Pulis serves up.

It will be interesting to see where we are in relation to last season's attendances which very rarely broke 25,000.

May be some truth in that, but I also know fans who have stopped going because of JP over the last 10 years.
Its part of life that people get other priorities in life for many reasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on August 19, 2016, 07:43:25 AM
It's not only fans who won't turn up for Pulisball. No players want to be part of it either, judging by the recruitment this summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 19, 2016, 08:01:39 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 19, 2016, 07:11:48 AM
May be some truth in that, but I also know fans who have stopped going because of JP over the last 10 years.
Its part of life that people get other priorities in life for many reasons.

Id say for all the good Peace did, he did 'create' the need for Pulis and the squad (shortage) issues we now have because of his prior appointments and investment policy .  Whoever is to blame, fans are definately not buying into what's being offered so far that's for sure.

I wonder whether the club understand or really care deep down (considering most money comes form TV) ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 19, 2016, 08:32:05 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 19, 2016, 06:59:39 AM
I think it is pretty obvious fans are voting with their feet. I know more than a few long term season ticket holders that haven't renewed and Pulis is at the very least a big part of their reasoning. Personally I thought about not renewing which is something I never thought I would even consider and that is entirely due to the type of football Pulis serves up.

It will be interesting to see where we are in relation to last season's attendances which very rarely broke 25,000.

I think it's interesting that of the circa 4000 odd unsold seats, 2000 are in the Brummie Road & of those 1200 are in the Brummie Road Lower. ( From the ticket site as advised by other posters). If there were similar unsold seats throughout, I would agree, but the Smethwick is all but sold out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 19, 2016, 09:16:25 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 19, 2016, 08:32:05 AM
I think it's interesting that of the circa 4000 odd unsold seats, 2000 are in the Brummie Road & of those 1200 are in the Brummie Road Lower. ( From the ticket site as advised by other posters). If there were similar unsold seats throughout, I would agree, but the Smethwick is all but sold out.

The Smethwick always sells out regardless. The East stand usually fills up quite well too but there is almost 1000 still available there. The clubs lack of ambition and poor style of play are keeping people away. I've lost count of the amount of people (myself included) that held season tickets for years and now don't even bother going at all. Ticket pricing is very reasonable here so I don't put it down to finance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 19, 2016, 09:32:20 AM
This is the first game of the season against Everton too - a fairly attractive proposition. Imagine a couple of months on at home vs Burnley or Hull. Something is not right ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 19, 2016, 09:33:28 AM
Quote from: dan7heman on August 19, 2016, 07:43:25 AM
It's not only fans who won't turn up for Pulisball. No players want to be part of it either, judging by the recruitment this summer.

What firm evidence do you have that players are refusing to come here because of Pulis?  If that was the case how come Pulis has made plenty of signings over his career? At Albion and at other clubs?

It's more likely down to the sale of the club disrupting things and our usual slow and firm approach to negotiating deals, but as we're not in the know when it comes to our approaching players we simply don't know.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 19, 2016, 09:44:38 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on August 19, 2016, 09:33:28 AM
What firm evidence do you have that players are refusing to come here because of Pulis?  If that was the case how come Pulis has made plenty of signings over his career? At Albion and at other clubs?

It's more likely down to the sale of the club disrupting things and our usual slow and firm approach to negotiating deals, but as we're not in the know when it comes to our approaching players we simply don't know.

There is little evidence to support this but if you are a technical footballer who likes to get the ball down and play (lets say Joe Allen for example). Are you really going to want to join a team that plays direct football where is bypasses midfield most of the time? Our game plan is to sit deep without the ball for long periods and hit teams on the break or with a set piece. Personally there is no way on earth I'd play for a team like us if I knew I could play for a Swansea or Southampton. The kind of players we will go for will be either Championship players (they would probably even sign for Hull given the chance) or players who no one else wants. Pulis will only target tall, physical players with pace. This highlights everything that is wrong with the English game.

I want to see us become an attractive proposition for players to join. London clubs will always have an advantage but we are so far behind Stoke, Swansea, Southampton and even Middlesbro have done good business this summer. There is no denying Pulis has done the job that has been asked of him and for that he should be thanked. However he is not the man to take us forward though IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 19, 2016, 09:52:54 AM
We all want to see top players join the club, I imagine even Pulis does.

I just think we can do without starting rumours like this because it's based on huge assumptions that aren't backed up with any evidence.  How is it going to help the club if these rumours start getting reported as fact? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on August 19, 2016, 10:10:58 AM
Says still wants 5 in and is more confident about them this week than last.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 19, 2016, 03:38:22 PM
Quote from: Webby on August 19, 2016, 10:10:58 AM
Says still wants 5 in and is more confident about them this week than last.
Seemed a lot more upbeat in general, thought he had a face like a smacked backside last week, even after the win!
Some good snippets coming through, seems confident that things are going on and many irons in the fire. Made a point of saying he was "delighted" that the press didn't have a clue what was going on as the club likes to do business on the quiet, so to speak.
Not much good for us as we are left on tenterhooks or fearing that nothing's going to drop, but as long as we get the right players in I can forgive that.
One negative was the reference to the Evans to Arsenal rumour. Pretty much saying if they offer the money and he wants it, it will happen, but that was obvious anyway, whether we like it or not.
All in all, pretty positive.  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 20, 2016, 05:20:05 PM
I wouldn't give this bloke another penny, he can't be trusted. Grid lock as I see it

The poor attendance for our first home game was shocking and his football is to blame
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 20, 2016, 05:22:18 PM
Will the penny ever drop with Pulis that he has no future at Albion unless he sets us up differently at home? Crowds are dwindling and so is support for his approach? It's more direct every week. I honestly don't see the point in us signing ball carrying midfielders if our tactics remain our defenders  hoofing over the midifled's heads? Why not just be honest and sign huge beasts of strikers and play like Wimbledon ( crazy gang)  circa 1988.

Time warp football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: koren on August 20, 2016, 05:24:13 PM
Bring him some new players, let's see can he improve the team.
If not, he has to go at the end of season, it's his last chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2016, 05:25:12 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 20, 2016, 05:20:05 PM
I wouldn't give this bloke another penny, he can't be trusted. Grid lock as I see it

The poor attendance for our first home game was shocking and his football is to blame

23,600+ its not as bad as you're making out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 20, 2016, 05:30:41 PM
[quote authohDEVON link=topic=15324.msg482734#msg482734 date=1471709933]
I wouldn't give this bloke another penny, he can't be trusted. Grid lock as I see it

The poor attendance for our first home game was shocking and his football is to blame
[/quote]We need players , desperate for the right type.
Pulis or not we need quality.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on August 20, 2016, 05:51:05 PM
Shows how bad things must be if a free beer doesn't bring the fans in. Hopefully it will be the final season of Tone deaf united.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 20, 2016, 05:51:58 PM
This is for the people who are blaming TP for today , we went 1-0 up and dominated the first 37 minutes they then used there player power in Lukaku , Bolasie etc , it isn't mr TP's fault the club haven't brought anyone in .... He's not in charge of recruitment they simply had match winners where as we are super short on players at the moment , without TP we will be relegated I really do believe , the people who are heading the transfer battles are to blame and the money men , we need some money put into this squad ... Forget about Mr.Williams comments about an expensive market .... Other clubs are paying the prices .... Cough up or struggle through , with the possibility of relegation ...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on August 20, 2016, 05:57:27 PM
Could it be that we can't attract the quality players we need because many potential signings are put off by Pulis's tactics?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 20, 2016, 06:00:35 PM
Pulis post-match interview: "....they're a great group of lads and they worked very, very hard for one another and they've done that for 90 minutes, and they do that every week, but we need to bring some players in....."

He also referred again to the "Chinese owners"-  I've still yet to hear him say "Guochuan" or "Mr Lai".

Source: Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10545352/pulis-eyes-new-faces)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 20, 2016, 06:04:54 PM
Looks like the takeover is affecting our recruitment of players TP
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 20, 2016, 06:06:26 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 20, 2016, 06:00:35 PM
Pulis post-match interview: "....they're a great group of lads and they worked very, very 'ard for one another and they've done that for 90 minutes, and they do that every week, but we need to bring some players in....."

He also referred again to the "Chinese owners"-  I've still yet to hear him say "Guochuan" or "Mr Lai".

Source: Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10545352/pulis-eyes-new-faces)
Terrible isn't it that TP is so disrespectful to a man who has done jackshhit for this club except give away a few scarves and beers, and yet you and others disrespect the man who has kept us in the prem for two seasons
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on August 20, 2016, 06:13:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2016, 05:25:12 PM
23,600+ its not as bad as you're making out.
so you think 23.600 is a good turn out for the 1st home game of the season , the empty seats around is sad to see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 20, 2016, 06:15:12 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on August 20, 2016, 06:06:26 PM
Terrible isn't it that TP is so disrespectful to a man who has done jackshhit for this club except give away a few scarves and beers, and yet you and others disrespect the man who has kept us in the prem for two seasons
Yes, no-one else on earth could possibly have done it......  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2016, 06:15:44 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on August 20, 2016, 06:13:54 PM
so you think 23.600 is a good turn out for the 1st home game of the season , the empty seats around is sad to see.

As I said in another post, I was at Norwich (h) sat with 7k less than that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on August 20, 2016, 06:18:10 PM
Quote from: BaggieBrainy on August 20, 2016, 05:51:58 PM
This is for the people who are blaming TP for today , we went 1-0 up and dominated the first 37 minutes they then used there player power in Lukaku , Bolasie etc , it isn't mr TP's fault the club haven't brought anyone in .... He's not in charge of recruitment they simply had match winners where as we are super short on players at the moment , without TP we will be relegated I really do believe , the people who are heading the transfer battles are to blame and the money men , we need some money put into this squad ... Forget about Mr.Williams comments about an expensive market .... Other clubs are paying the prices .... Cough up or struggle through , with the possibility of relegation ...

You really thought we dominated the first 37 minutes? I thought we were the better team for the first 15 but even then we were absolutely nowhere near dominating. Then us usual we sat deeper and deeper. Everton were already on top when Lukaku came on and it's not like Lukaku tore us to pieces he was pretty quiet.

What would Pulis take the blame for out of interest? Not just today but in general?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie_liam on August 20, 2016, 06:20:15 PM
I wouldn't say we dominated the first half, we were ok without actually doing a lot but neither did they! Soon as they changed and brought lukaku on they totally dominated every area from that moment on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on August 20, 2016, 06:22:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2016, 06:15:44 PM
As I said in another post, I was at Norwich (h) sat with 7k less than that.
would that have been in the championship ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 20, 2016, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on August 20, 2016, 06:18:10 PM
You really thought we dominated the first 37 minutes? I thought we were the better team for the first 15 but even then we were absolutely nowhere near dominating. Then us usual we sat deeper and deeper. Everton were already on top when Lukaku came on and it's not like Lukaku tore us to pieces he was pretty quiet.

What would Pulis take the blame for out of interest? Not just today but in general?

I would have taken Olsson off, moved JE back into the middle & probably brought Mclean in at LB. Bringing Lukaku on stopped that from happening. Olsson's always one away from a mistake & sure enough, delivers right on cue. Of the 5 players we're allegedly bringing in, hopefully one is a decent Left Back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 20, 2016, 06:32:42 PM
Dominated, that's made me laugh, up until we scored we only had 0  percent control. Today Everton their starting 11 were there for the talking and we blew it, yes they had a strong bench but pulis and his tactics failed at home again, the crowds will only get worse with him in charge. This football will not change under him no matter who he signs and I can only hope he gets no money to sign anybody . I really thought we would win today look at my prediction so yes I had some hope but it's gone for the rest of the season after watching that rubbish today
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 20, 2016, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on August 20, 2016, 06:22:56 PM
would that have been in the championship ?

Yeah it was the season after we had Denis Smith in charge and finished about 14th think the attendance was about 16,000

Think we had 3 or 4 managers that season, Megson being the last.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2016, 06:36:55 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on August 20, 2016, 06:35:07 PM
Yeah it was the season after we had Denis Smith in charge and finished about 14th think the attendance was about 16,000

Don't see as it matters? To listen to people on here they yearn for those days...  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 20, 2016, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2016, 06:36:55 PM
Don't see as it matters? To listen to people on here they yearn for those days...  ;)

I suppose it doesn't, pooh football under Denis Smith, Tony Pulis same thing really. The only difference is we have had a large number of seasons since then with lots of tele money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 20, 2016, 06:40:59 PM
I don't like saying this but after todays performance there is no apparent change on last seasons last 9 games, someone termed our performances as turgid, sorry they're worse than that.

If we are to believe the Pulis only wants players who have premiership experience we are fishing in a very small pond with inflated prices and as such currently I don't see any improvements from potential transfers from other premiership clubs - we will only get their cast offs at high prices.

My conclusion is that Pulis and his style and inflexibility have to go, even I could have predicted todays squad and the subsequent substitutions :(

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on August 20, 2016, 06:42:08 PM
i really dont think it matters who we sign its not going to change anything under pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 20, 2016, 07:05:50 PM
I thought the subs from Pulis were poor today, however the biggest difference between us and them was that they were able to bring on Lukaku, Bolasie and Williams as opposed to our options of McLean, Leko and Lambert.

We need players so, so badly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 20, 2016, 07:22:59 PM
Quote from: telford baggie on August 20, 2016, 06:42:08 PM
i really dont think it matters who we sign its not going to change anything under pulis

Same for me I'm afraid. I'm hoping he signs Schlupp, but he would probably play him right back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 08:06:25 PM
Can't believe people still defend pulis, they must be watching different games to me.
Everyone bangs on about 'but pulis kept us up', what's saying we wouldn't have stayed up with any other manager?! There is no proof so us staying up is irrelevant to defending him.

Every interview is the same, 'the players work very very hard, he's a good lad, we had some great chances, they are a good team' - it's boring the life out of me!

Other clubs are targeting proven players or atleast decent ones... we're targeting bloody championship players all the time, whilst I know that probably ain't TP's fault, surely he should be saying we need better?

I've been going now this is my 26th year, my little brother is 16 and he's been coming with me since he was 10... he said today he's not sure he wants to go anymore because it bores him and pulis is boring to watch...it really is time up for him, he should not be trusted at all to bring his own players in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on August 20, 2016, 09:21:54 PM
Everton got lukaku, bolasie, Williams on from the bench. 100m worth of talent.

The difference.

Judge pulis come december
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:03:00 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on August 20, 2016, 09:21:54 PM
Everton got lukaku, bolasie, Williams on from the bench. 100m worth of talent.

The difference.

Judge pulis come december

People keep saying judge him after this, judge him after that, judge him after the window.... how many chances does he need?

Look at our cup games last season the likes of Bristol etc... we have players far better than theirs and still struggled so that's no excuse.

The sooner he's gone the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on August 20, 2016, 10:10:11 PM
I agree want him out , Pulis cant afford to walk needs to pay palace so have to be sacked . way we play nothing to do with who's on the bench
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:18:17 PM
Completely agree, we can't defend pulis because of who the other clubs around us have... he claims to be desperate for players in certain positions yet he hasn't really gave the likes of Pocognoli, Gamboa, Chester and gnabry(when they were here) etc a proper chance, they get 15/20 every few months and that's it where as the likes of Olsson, Gardner and Lambert today still get chance after chance!

Constantly poor first team, poor subs and poor tactics.

Regardless of what people think of Saido, last season when he was used as a sub most the time he came on a few games and scored but still got dropped for the next games? We need goals so we keep our real chance of goals on the bench to 'teach him a lesson'

Get him out before attendance and atmosphere gets worse. There's no other option.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 20, 2016, 10:21:48 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:03:00 PM
People keep saying judge him after this, judge him after that, judge him after the window.... how many chances does he need?

Look at our cup games last season the likes of Bristol etc... we have players far better than theirs and still struggled so that's no excuse.

The sooner he's gone the better.

No, most people have said give him a FAIR chance, allow him to bring some more players of his choice in, then judge him, I have long said I expect improvement this year, IF it does not occur, then don't renew his contract, that is being fair, not having a lynch mob after every adverse result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 20, 2016, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:18:17 PM
Completely agree, we can't defend pulis because of who the other clubs around us have... he claims to be desperate for players in certain positions yet he hasn't really gave the likes of Pocognoli, Gamboa, Chester and gnabry(when they were here) etc a proper chance, they get 15/20 every few months and that's it where as the likes of Olsson, Gardner and Lambert today still get chance after chance!

Constantly poor first team, poor subs and poor tactics.

Regardless of what people think of Saido, last season when he was used as a sub most the time he came on a few games and scored but still got dropped for the next games? We need goals so we keep our real chance of goals on the bench to 'teach him a lesson'

Get him out before attendance and atmosphere gets worse. There's no other option.
Saido was one of our poorest players today and has been for a while.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:29:47 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 20, 2016, 10:21:48 PM
No, most people have said give him a FAIR chance, allow him to bring some more players of his choice in, then judge him, I have long said I expect improvement this year, IF it does not occur, then don't renew his contract, that is being fair, not having a lynch mob after every adverse result.

Everyone deserves a chance, but how many does this guy need? Look at how many players he's signed since he's been here including loans.... regardless how good they are is irrelevant, he's the one who signed them so why ain't they getting a chance? Not exactly a selling point to any players we are trying to sign is it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:31:10 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 20, 2016, 10:26:29 PM
Saido was one of our poorest players today and has been for a while.

I never mentioned Saidos performance today, if you read it properly I said he was dropped last season, came on as a sub, scored.. then got dropped for the next game... more than once! When our problem was we needed goals
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 20, 2016, 10:41:43 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:29:47 PM
Everyone deserves a chance, but how many does this guy need? Look at how many players he's signed since he's been here including loans.... regardless how good they are is irrelevant, he's the one who signed them so why ain't they getting a chance? Not exactly a selling point to any players we are trying to sign is it

His actual players of choice have been decent, others, forced on him by budget restraints or chancy loans not so good.

The majority of the squad he still inherited, including Berahino who has been a nightmare for any manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2016, 10:50:33 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:31:10 PM
I never mentioned Saidos performance today, if you read it properly I said he was dropped last season, came on as a sub, scored.. then got dropped for the next game... more than once! When our problem was we needed goals

 He only scored 4 last season in the league: Villa, Sunderland, Everton and Palace none of those were as a sub.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:52:20 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 20, 2016, 10:41:43 PM
His actual players of choice have been decent, others, forced on him by budget restraints or chancy loans not so good.

The majority of the squad he still inherited, including Berahino who has been a nightmare for any manager.


Rondon
Mclean
Evans
Lescott
Phillips
Ideye
Chester
lambert
Sandro
gnabry
Lindegaard...

If im correct, that's the players he got in.. when the majority have been no good to us and he hasn't 'fancied' after getting them in.... why would you allow him to bring more him?

Doesn't matter if the budget was tight, he could of said no instead of wasting the little money we do have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2016, 10:50:33 PM
He only scored 4 last season in the league: Villa, Sunderland, Everton and Palace none of those were as a sub.

My mistake it wasn't has a sub but if you look, the games he scored he was dropped after it.. not defending the kid but we didn't have much choice up front
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 20, 2016, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:52:20 PM


Rondon
Mclean
Evans
Lescott
Phillips
Ideye
Chester
lambert
Sandro
gnabry
Lindegaard...

If im correct, that's the players he got in.. when the majority have been no good to us and he hasn't 'fancied' after getting them in.... why would you allow him to bring more him?

Doesn't matter if the budget was tight, he could of said no instead of wasting the little money we do have.

Plus the cracking signing that Mcmanaman has been.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2016, 10:57:29 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:52:20 PM


Rondon
Mclean
Evans
Lescott
Phillips
Ideye
Chester
lambert
Sandro
gnabry
Lindegaard...

If im correct, that's the players he got in.. when the majority have been no good to us and he hasn't 'fancied' after getting them in.... why would you allow him to bring more him?

Doesn't matter if the budget was tight, he could of said no instead of wasting the little money we do have.

Ideye and Lescott were brought in under Irvine, all the other Pulis though. You missed Pritchard and McManaman too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIE5 on August 20, 2016, 10:58:55 PM
Another thing he keeps referring to the new owners as the Chinese. I think that's q bit odd, feels disrespectful.

When you disrespect your owners theres only one answer lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 20, 2016, 10:59:46 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 20, 2016, 10:41:43 PM
His actual players of choice have been decent, others, forced on him by budget restraints or chancy loans not so good.

The majority of the squad he still inherited, including Berahino who has been a nightmare for any manager.

Simple solution sell Berahino. Why on earth have we turned down £20m?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2016, 11:07:58 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 20, 2016, 10:54:35 PM
My mistake it wasn't has a sub but if you look, the games he scored he was dropped after it.. not defending the kid but we didn't have much choice up front

Sorry mate you need to recheck your stats as he started each game after scoring. the villa& everton games  followed each other and then we lost away at Palace where he was subbed at half time, so not dropped. After Sunderland we beat Norwich away and he started that game too.
After the home game with Palace he played the full 90 at Leicester.
He wasn't dropped after scoring in any league game last season.

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=57997&season_id=145#
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2016, 11:12:13 PM
Quote from: BAGGIE5 on August 20, 2016, 10:58:55 PM
Another thing he keeps referring to the new owners as the Chinese. I think that's q bit odd, feels disrespectful.

When you disrespect your owners theres only one answer lol

I cringe every time I hear him say it too, it does seem disrespectful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2016, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2016, 11:07:58 PM
Sorry mate you need to recheck your stats as he started each game after scoring. the villa& everton games  followed each other and then we lost away at Palace where he was subbed at half time, so not dropped. After Sunderland we beat Norwich away and he started that game too.
After the home game with Palace he played the full 90 at Leicester.
He wasn't dropped after scoring in any league game last season.

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=57997&season_id=145#

It's another moan for the sake of a moan, he's added about 4 transfers onto Pulis' resume also.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 20, 2016, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 20, 2016, 10:59:46 PM
Simple solution sell Berahino. Why on earth have we turned down £20m?
Simple , the structure of the deal was shocking and would have left us with days to find a replacement. Although Saido didn't feature much the club will look on it we stayed up and landed huge amounts of money with him remaining in the squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 20, 2016, 11:19:25 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2016, 11:12:13 PM
I cringe every time I hear him say it too, it does seem disrespectful.

I'm not sure its disrespectful, does British owners sound disrespectful?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 20, 2016, 11:27:02 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 20, 2016, 11:19:25 PM
I'm not sure its disrespectful, does British owners sound disrespectful?
He wouldn't use the phrase "British owners" and neither would any of us, which is why "the Chinese" and "Chinese owners" does sound iffy to me. He's used both of those, but has said the latter 3 or 4 times now that I've seen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2016, 11:35:47 PM
Bit of a misnomer this, he may be uncomfortable with his pronunciation, he may be wary the deal isn't fully finalised. The only people reading anything into it are the people wanting him gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on August 20, 2016, 11:39:53 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2016, 11:35:47 PM
Bit of a misnomer this, he may be uncomfortable with his pronunciation, he may be wary the deal isn't fully finalised. The only people reading anything into it are the people wanting him gone.

Personally how he refers to the new owners is irrelevant. However I want him gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 20, 2016, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2016, 11:35:47 PM
Bit of a misnomer this, he may be uncomfortable with his pronunciation, he may be wary the deal isn't fully finalised. The only people reading anything into it are the people wanting him gone.
Yes, "Lai" is really difficult to pronounce after all....

If Pulis was wary about the deal not being finalised yet, he wouldn't say "Chinese owners" would he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2016, 11:42:21 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 20, 2016, 11:40:45 PM
Yes, "Lai" is really difficult to pronounce after all....

If Pulis was wary about the deal not being finalised yet, he wouldn't say "Chinese owners" would he?

And you've proved my hypothesis... Well done  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 20, 2016, 11:45:44 PM
I dislike Pulis as much as anyone but bickering over how he refers to the new owner is nit-picking to the extreme.

There are hundreds of things you could pick to criticise and we're faffing about over him calling a chinese man chinese..  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 20, 2016, 11:49:03 PM
has he gone yet?

can see why nobody wants to sign for us, I wouldn't fancy playing under him either
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on August 20, 2016, 11:56:52 PM
Losing to a quality Everton team after signing 1 player in the transfer window.

Get rid.

The man's got Gardner and Olsson in the team for crying out loud. The man's the second coming in my eyes and any criticism is blasphemy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 21, 2016, 12:05:54 AM
Quote from: KingKoren on August 20, 2016, 11:56:52 PM
Losing to a quality Everton team after signing 1 player in the transfer window.

Get rid.

The man's got Gardner and Olsson in the team for crying out loud. The man's the second coming in my eyes and any criticism is blasphemy.

whos fault is it that he has only signed 1 player? he decided to play Gardner on the wing, instead of in his position of CM, he also plays our best centre back as a left back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 21, 2016, 12:06:39 AM
Quote from: boing_boing68 on August 20, 2016, 11:49:03 PM
has he gone yet?

can see why nobody wants to sign for us, I wouldn't fancy playing under him either

I thought this was bad but...

Quote from: KingKoren on August 20, 2016, 11:56:52 PM
Losing to a quality Everton team after signing 1 player in the transfer window.

Get rid.

The man's got Gardner and Olsson in the team for crying out loud. The man's the second coming in my eyes.

Then this guy topped it, Whatever we do before the end of the window Pulis must stay.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on August 21, 2016, 12:10:25 AM
Quote from: boing_boing68 on August 21, 2016, 12:05:54 AM
whos fault is it that he has only signed 1 player? he decided to play Gardner on the wing, instead of in his position of CM, he also plays our best centre back as a left back.

The only 3 players in our squad other premiership clubs would want were signed by Pulis - Evans, Rondon and Phillips. You can blame him for a series of bad transfer windows before he was even here but that seems silly. There is so little quality in this squad, take out Pulis' organisation and we are relegated. It's that simple. I don't like watching it like many but we're smart enough to realise it's better than going down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 21, 2016, 12:14:49 AM
Quote from: KingKoren on August 21, 2016, 12:10:25 AM
The only 3 players in our squad other premiership clubs would want were signed by Pulis - Evans, Rondon and Phillips. You can blame him for a series of bad transfer windows before he was even here but that seems silly. There is so little quality in this squad, take out Pulis' organisation and we are relegated. It's that simple. I don't like watching it like many but we're smart enough to realise it's better than going down.

You are defending TP here, which in the current environment is admirable, but FOSTER, Brunt, McAuley, Morrison, YACOB, BERAHINO and yes even Fletcher would get a game at another PL club in their current position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 21, 2016, 12:15:21 AM
Just like to ask the pro-Pulis among you. If we bring in quality players before the transfer window closes do you think we are going to see any change in tactics on the pitch and more speed and fluidity from defense to attack through the midfield?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on August 21, 2016, 12:19:35 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 21, 2016, 12:14:49 AM
You are defending TP here, which in the current environment is admirable, but FOSTER, Brunt, McAuley, Morrison, YACOB, BERAHINO and yes even Fletcher would get a game at another PL club in their current position.

I'll give you Bera, although on recent form God knows why, but the others are all old and I don't think many clubs would be banging down the door. Not knocking any of their ability just the fact they are ageing and therefore less desirable.

Pulis has clearly stated he wants to inject younger, genuine quality into the squad. I don't think there's a single WBA fan who'd disagree that we desperately need this. Recruitment isn't all down to Pulis and he's been let down in this regard.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 21, 2016, 12:22:10 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on August 21, 2016, 12:15:21 AM
Just like to ask the pro-Pulis among you. If we bring in quality players before the transfer window closes do you think we are going to see any change in tactics on the pitch and more speed and fluidity from defense to attack through the midfield?

Not in the manner you are asking for but yes, better players will not misplace as many passes as we do do. More chances will be created, less mistakes will be made... Such is life.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 21, 2016, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: KingKoren on August 21, 2016, 12:19:35 AM
I'll give you Bera, although on recent form God knows why, but the others are all old and I don't think many clubs would be banging down the door. Not knocking any of their ability just the fact they are ageing and therefore less desirable.

Pulis has clearly stated he wants to inject younger, genuine quality into the squad. I don't think there's a single WBA fan who'd disagree that we desperately need this. Recruitment isn't all down to Pulis and he's been let down in this regard.

if I was a young player then I'd sign for about 16 different premiership teams before I wanted to have Pulis coach all my football ability out of me  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on August 21, 2016, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on August 21, 2016, 12:15:21 AM
Just like to ask the pro-Pulis among you. If we bring in quality players before the transfer window closes do you think we are going to see any change in tactics on the pitch and more speed and fluidity from defense to attack through the midfield?

It would depend a lot on whether we get in a quality midfielder and whether he'll sideline Fletcher or Yacob to accommodate them. I hope so but I don't know.

Moving Evans back to centre back would also be a big bonus in this regard but we need a left back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 21, 2016, 12:26:40 AM
I think many pro-Pulis and anti-Pulis would find common ground if we spent big on a central midfielder to replace Fletcher... I don't for a minute think Pulis cares what we think in this regard but for the majority on this forum it would be welcomed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on August 21, 2016, 12:33:19 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 21, 2016, 12:26:40 AM
I think many pro-Pulis and anti-Pulis would find common ground if we spent big on a central midfielder to replace Fletcher... I don't for a minute think Pulis cares what we think in this regard but for the majority on this forum it would be welcomed.

Pulis is my Lord and saviour but I do sometimes worry that he wouldn't drop his apostle Fletcher even if we signed someone. Currently though when Gardner is the only competition for this position I need not concern myself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 21, 2016, 12:41:16 AM
Quote from: KingKoren on August 21, 2016, 12:33:19 AM
Pulis is my Lord and saviour but I do sometimes worry that he wouldn't drop his apostle Fletcher even if we signed someone. Currently though when Gardner is the only competition for this position I need not concern myself.

Nothing better than mildly sardonic acceptance  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 21, 2016, 01:17:26 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 21, 2016, 12:41:16 AM
Nothing better than mildly sardonic acceptance  ;)

I can never tell if your trolling, maybe thats your unique talent; to be the ultimate troll.

Sack Tony Pulis, he doesent support the Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 21, 2016, 01:52:05 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 21, 2016, 01:17:26 AM
I can never tell if your trolling, maybe thats your unique talent; to be the ultimate troll.

Sack Tony Pulis, he doesent support the Albion.

If I was here to troll Jimmy I'd have seen you off in far less than 7 thousand posts mate... You're anti Pulis, I'm not, end of.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 21, 2016, 06:48:57 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 20, 2016, 11:40:45 PM
Yes, "Lai" is really difficult to pronounce after all....

If Pulis was wary about the deal not being finalised yet, he wouldn't say "Chinese owners" would he?

He does't even say that does he.
Its always Jeremy and the Chinese.
I think he knows what he's doing. Likes to have a dig does Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 21, 2016, 07:12:59 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on August 21, 2016, 06:48:57 AM
He does't even say that does he.
Its always Jeremy and the Chinese.
I think he knows what he's doing. Likes to have a dig does Tone
Pretty sure his team selections ans substitutions are also meant to be sending a message 'upstairs'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 21, 2016, 07:18:19 AM
Rondon,Johnny Evans,Fletch and even Mclean for a quid and a half were good buys.Chester ,Mcmannan(always injured)and Lamberts were horrible buys .We didnt waste much taking in consideration we got back Chesters money the other two are pocket change in todays market.With the fact that we bidded for a true left back and got denied late proved the manager wants to improve the team along with the standard of play.To judge Matty after two games is a joke.Once we get the quality players in the style of play will improve , even Stevie Wonders sees that the squad is weak.Firing the manager right now would be insanity squared.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 21, 2016, 07:41:11 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on August 21, 2016, 06:48:57 AM
He does't even say that does he.
Its always Jeremy and the Chinese.
I think he knows what he's doing. Likes to have a dig does Tone
He's said "Chinese owners" several times, including in the Sky interview I linked to yesterday. Still, it might be finding something in nothing - we'll have to see how things develop over time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 21, 2016, 07:46:36 AM
Haven't seen the game other than MOT highlights. Several posters have commented that we reverted to type in defending deep after taking the lead. If this is true what is the reason. Do the players instinctively do it, are they under orders from Pulis or is it a combination of both?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 21, 2016, 07:53:27 AM
Has anyone heard our prospective new owners call the head coach Mr Pulis?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 21, 2016, 08:00:40 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on August 21, 2016, 07:46:36 AM
Haven't seen the game other than MOT highlights. Several posters have commented that we reverted to type in defending deep after taking the lead. If this is true what is the reason. Do the players instinctively do it, are they under orders from Pulis or is it a combination of both?
it just seems a natural thing that happens without planning it to me, lets face it the ball gets lumped up the field we don't win possession and the opposing team plays pass after pass get to our 18 yard box with ease because we defend so deep. we just don't have the quality to retain the ball, hence why the possession stats are always against us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on August 21, 2016, 09:11:12 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 21, 2016, 07:41:11 AM
He's said "Chinese owners" several times, including in the Sky interview I linked to yesterday. Still, it might be finding something in nothing - we'll have to see how things develop over time.

I took that as just the way TP shows respect.  He seems very old fashioned and almost military in his manners. When referring to JP he always said " I'll be sitting down with the Chairman".  He clearly knew and could pronounce his name but he always preferred to be very formal.

That's my take on it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on August 21, 2016, 09:12:05 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 21, 2016, 08:00:40 AM
it just seems a natural thing that happens without planning it to me, lets face it the ball gets lumped up the field we don't win possession and the opposing team plays pass after pass get to our 18 yard box with ease because we defend so deep. we just don't have the quality to retain the ball, hence why the possession stats are always against us.

This is the main problem in that we aimlessly hoof it hoping a high ball will drop to Rondon or be put out for a corner by their defence.
Add to this the fact we have a very weak squad. Pulis has failed miserably to add to it. Letting Chester go without a replacement is stupid. If one of the centrehalfs gets injured we're in trouble as we have no other full backs (and they're not even fullbacks now!)
Putting an overweight, unfit 34 yr old in place of Berahino said it all about Pulis. When we're behind against a good team it calls for even more patience and guile. Morrison should have come on for one of our defensive midfielders and then he could have linked up with Leko and berahino to supply Rondon. In what world could Lambert possibly have hurt Evertons back 5?
Pulis will get us the odd 1-0 against lesser teams but we're in real danger of going down because of this man. Don't believe the nonsense about clubs asking too much money, fact is he hasn't a clue who he and will be ignoring all Hammonds recommendations because they're all probably under 6ft and are technically gifted.
Despite the first 20 mins, yesterday was mainly both boring and embarrassing. Nothing's changed, and nothing will while Pulis is there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 21, 2016, 09:12:22 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 21, 2016, 08:00:40 AM
it just seems a natural thing that happens without planning it to me, lets face it the ball gets lumped up the field we don't win possession and the opposing team plays pass after pass get to our 18 yard box with ease because we defend so deep. we just don't have the quality to retain the ball, hence why the possession stats are always against us.
In Pulis's final season at Stoke (2012-13):
Of course these stats were the culmination of Pulis being in charge for 7 years and having had a good transfer budget each season, so it suggests to me that our possession issues are more down to tactics than the quality of the players. Stoke were also the second lowest scorers that season (34 - ironically the same as we scored last season).

Incidentally, the lowest ranked team for the bullet point stats above was Reading, who were relegated. Albion's stats for the same season, for comparison, were 46.3%, 77.7% and 334 respectively. We scored 19 goals more than Stoke that season - it was when we finished 8th.

Source: whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/3389)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 21, 2016, 09:26:40 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2016, 11:07:58 PM
Sorry mate you need to recheck your stats as he started each game after scoring. the villa& everton games  followed each other and then we lost away at Palace where he was subbed at half time, so not dropped. After Sunderland we beat Norwich away and he started that game too.
After the home game with Palace he played the full 90 at Leicester.
He wasn't dropped after scoring in any league game last season.

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=57997&season_id=145#


Well played Hull, lets have more of this, supporting argument with facts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 21, 2016, 09:37:18 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 21, 2016, 09:12:22 AM
In Pulis's final season at Stoke (2012-13):
  • their possession percentage was second lowest in the division (44.4%)
  • their successful pass percentage was also second lowest (69.9%)
  • their average number of short passes per game was also second lowest (274)
Of course these stats were the culmination of Pulis being in charge for 7 years and having had a good transfer budget each season, so it suggests to me that our possession issues are more down to tactics than the quality of the players. Stoke were also the second lowest scorers that season (34 - ironically the same as we scored last season).

Incidentally, the lowest ranked team for the bullet point stats above was Reading, who were relegated. Albion's stats for the same season, for comparison, were 46.3%, 77.7% and 334 respectively. We scored 19 goals more than Stoke that season - it was when we finished 8th.

Source: whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/3389)

Interesting! What were there "shots" in the same periods? The stats you show are reflective of style, shots & shots on target would demonstrate effectiveness.

Although the forum has discussed this topic at great length I'm still not sure if the issue is one of style or effectiveness, or if people think that the style itself is ineffective. That added to overestimated expectations, probably means that a lot of people are going to be dissapointed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 21, 2016, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 21, 2016, 09:37:18 AM
Interesting! What were there "shots" in the same periods? The stats you show are reflective of style, shots & shots on target would demonstrate effectiveness.

Although the forum has discussed this topic at great length I'm still not sure if the issue is one of style or effectiveness, or if people think that the style itself is ineffective. That added to overestimated expectations, probably means that a lot of people are going to be dissapointed.
In 2012-13, Stoke had the equal lowest average shots per game in the division (10.3) and the lowest average shots on target (3). Albion's averages that season were 13.3 and 4.5 respectively. Stoke also had the lowest average number of dribbles per game (4.2) and conceded the highest average number of fouls (12.8 ).

To my mind, all these stats bear out how we remember them!  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on August 21, 2016, 09:54:12 AM
The noticeable thing yesterday was that Everton made tactical changes with the personnel and team shape throughout the game . We are stiflingly one dimensional and change personnel as opposed to shape .

The crux of it is we are about to give millions to Mr Pulis will he change ? Doubt it

Noticeable the marquee summer signing who he's chased for 18 months was given the shepherds hook yesterday .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 21, 2016, 10:04:01 AM
I think virtually all of us on here and in the ground can see the style on offer by Pulis and this won't change with World class players. We would be more effective with World class players of course but the style will remain a long ball one. There's no point in debating-  it we've all watched enough football to know Albion are now closer to the 'classic' long ball teams of the 80s (Wimbledon) albeit without the pace and quality wide men and atheticism in midfield those teams had.

Considering this,   I'm not sure why you'd spend a fortune on attacking and creative players when you won't really use them to their fullest. It's a bit like building an expensive extension on your house then not decorating it the way you'd like to.

Let's be honest. If Pulis remains, let's give him huge strikers, huge defenders, pacy wide men and let him play it his way rather than expecting him for the first time in his career to deliver some kind of champagne football, he won't and can't do it. With a bigger budget, we will only ever be his best Stoke team, big, strong, very direct  and pacey but with awful ball retention and a non existent central midfield - on good days. Unlikely, but he might even make the top half one day?

Personally, over the summer I thought we should've gone in a different direction and began to rebuild the first team in someone else's image not Pulis but that's just my view and it's too late now so let's go back to 1988 and b come the crazy gang- what are Vinnie and Fash up to? We need some new coaches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 21, 2016, 02:55:56 PM
Quote from: Mo on August 21, 2016, 09:54:12 AM
The noticeable thing yesterday was that Everton made tactical changes with the personnel and team shape throughout the game . We are stiflingly one dimensional and change personnel as opposed to shape .

The crux of it is we are about to give millions to Mr Pulis will he change ? Doubt it

Noticeable the marquee summer signing who he's chased for 18 months was given the shepherds hook yesterday .

Not sure you can call Phillips a "marquee" signing considering we were willing to spend around 3 times as much on Sakho and over twice as much on Schlupp. I'm sure bigger signings will come in before the window shuts on the 31st.

Phillips didn't have a great game yesterday that happens sometimes. He was good at Palace the week before though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 02:57:16 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2016, 11:07:58 PM
Sorry mate you need to recheck your stats as he started each game after scoring. the villa& everton games  followed each other and then we lost away at Palace where he was subbed at half time, so not dropped. After Sunderland we beat Norwich away and he started that game too.
After the home game with Palace he played the full 90 at Leicester.
He wasn't dropped after scoring in any league game last season.

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=57997&season_id=145#

Im pretty sure he scored against bristol and Peterborough and came on as a sub for Chelsea and Swansea? For the games after them both
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 21, 2016, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: stoxman on August 21, 2016, 09:11:12 AM
I took that as just the way TP shows respect.  He seems very old fashioned and almost military in his manners. When referring to JP he always said " I'll be sitting down with the Chairman".  He clearly knew and could pronounce his name but he always preferred to be very formal.

That's my take on it.

He often called Peace "Jeremy" in interviews, not The Chairman.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 21, 2016, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 21, 2016, 02:55:56 PM
Not sure you can call Phillips a "marquee" signing considering we were willing to spend around 3 times as much on Sakho and over twice as much on Schlupp. I'm sure bigger signings will come in before the window shuts on the 31st.

Phillips didn't have a great game yesterday that happens sometimes. He was good at Palace the week before though.

He will have to be the marquee signing if its the only one we get in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 21, 2016, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 02:57:16 PM
Im pretty sure he scored against bristol and Peterborough and came on as a sub for Chelsea and Swansea? For the games after them both
thought you were talking about league goals in your original post?
 He was also a sub in the Peterborough game. Was used a lot/mostly as a sub in the last part of the season. I would assume because his form was poor...the fact he only scored against lower league opposition bears that out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 03:57:12 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 21, 2016, 03:24:35 PM
thought you were talking about league goals in your original post?
 He was also a sub in the Peterborough game. Was used a lot/mostly as a sub in the last part of the season. I would assume because his form was poor...the fact he only scored against lower league opposition bears that out.

Nope, In general... was just saying it makes no sense to  not play your best goalscorer when we need goals regardless if it's league or cups or what teams he's scored against.

But unfortunately  (not aiming it at you) some fans on here fail to see wrong in pulis and will go to any extent to defend the guy.

It makes it worse that we (the fans) are the ones spending a lot of money following the team we love and support to get to games and see him not field our strongest team, play negative football, make poor changes and use negative tactics to get poor results... I'd much rather see our best players play some average football and take the risk loosing, atleast we are getting what we pay for.

When pulis was appointed I was pretty pleased, not a big fan of him but in my mind 'he would keep us up', he's had chance after chance to change things and it's just excuse after excuse now I just think his times up, he's ran out of ideas, he's got a couple of his own players in and still only utilises his favourite few.

So for the members on here having digs at people for 'moaning about pulis' it's not for the sake of moaning but when your going to every single game, buying every single program, purchasing every new shirt that comes out along with travel/hotel costs for away games, do the math it's a lot of bloody money.... I think we have every right to moan about the guy that's draining the life out of our club.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 21, 2016, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: Mo on August 21, 2016, 09:54:12 AM
The noticeable thing yesterday was that Everton made tactical changes with the personnel and team shape throughout the game . We are stiflingly one dimensional and change personnel as opposed to shape .

The crux of it is we are about to give millions to Mr Pulis will he change ? Doubt it

Noticeable the marquee summer signing who he's chased for 18 months was given the shepherds hook yesterday .

Bringing Lukaku on was a tactical masterstroke by Koeman, the only member of our squad who could handle him was Olsson, which meant he had to stay on the pitch. That one move limited TP's options.
Before Lukaku came on, I would have taken Olsson off, brought Mclean in at F/B & moved Johnny Evans into the middle. Johnny was already moving forward & creating.
 With Mclean, G Mac & Dawson holding a back line, Johnny could have added weight to our midfield. At 2 - 0 Everton would have had a tricky come-back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nocky on August 21, 2016, 04:23:21 PM
Not a huge fan of 'Pulis Ball', however with this current squad i think we'd be nailed on for a bottom 5 finish (and probably relegation) without him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: Nocky on August 21, 2016, 04:23:21 PM
Not a huge fan of 'Pulis Ball', however with this current squad i think we'd be nailed on for a bottom 5 finish (and probably relegation) without him.

why? its not like we are guaranteed points with him just because his CV says he's never been relegated.

Whats to say we wont get any points from games like yesterday if we had a manager/coach who set up the team differently and went out there to win instead of setting up defensively hoping to nick goals of set pieces?

rightly so everyone is entitled to their own opinion but everyone is talking like we will get relegated with any other manager but pulis is certain to keep us safe, this is not the case.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on August 21, 2016, 05:45:51 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 21, 2016, 09:12:22 AM
In Pulis's final season at Stoke (2012-13):
  • their possession percentage was second lowest in the division (44.4%)
  • their successful pass percentage was also second lowest (69.9%)
  • their average number of short passes per game was also second lowest (274)
Of course these stats were the culmination of Pulis being in charge for 7 years and having had a good transfer budget each season, so it suggests to me that our possession issues are more down to tactics than the quality of the players. Stoke were also the second lowest scorers that season (34 - ironically the same as we scored last season).

Incidentally, the lowest ranked team for the bullet point stats above was Reading, who were relegated. Albion's stats for the same season, for comparison, were 46.3%, 77.7% and 334 respectively. We scored 19 goals more than Stoke that season - it was when we finished 8th.

Source: whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/3389)
Nice to see a bit of evidence used in support of a point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nocky on August 21, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 04:31:11 PM
why? its not like we are guaranteed points with him just because his CV says he's never been relegated.

Whats to say we wont get any points from games like yesterday if we had a manager/coach who set up the team differently and went out there to win instead of setting up defensively hoping to nick goals of set pieces?

rightly so everyone is entitled to their own opinion but everyone is talking like we will get relegated with any other manager but pulis is certain to keep us safe, this is not the case.

Why? Because IMO we have a poor squad bereft of creativity and genuine quality. I don't have a crystal ball and perhaps another manager might do better, however it's better the devil you know in my eyes. I don't want another Irvine/Pepe Mel situation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 21, 2016, 06:04:39 PM
Quote from: darbolina on August 21, 2016, 10:04:01 AM
I think virtually all of us on here and in the ground can see the style on offer by Pulis and this won't change with World class players. We would be more effective with World class players of course but the style will remain a long ball one. There's no point in debating-  it we've all watched enough football to know Albion are now closer to the 'classic' long ball teams of the 80s (Wimbledon) albeit without the pace and quality wide men and atheticism in midfield those teams had.

Considering this,   I'm not sure why you'd spend a fortune on attacking and creative players when you won't really use them to their fullest. It's a bit like building an expensive extension on your house then not decorating it the way you'd like to.

Let's be honest. If Pulis remains, let's give him huge strikers, huge defenders, pacy wide men and let him play it his way rather than expecting him for the first time in his career to deliver some kind of champagne football, he won't and can't do it. With a bigger budget, we will only ever be his best Stoke team, big, strong, very direct  and pacey but with awful ball retention and a non existent central midfield - on good days. Unlikely, but he might even make the top half one day?

Personally, over the summer I thought we should've gone in a different direction and began to rebuild the first team in someone else's image not Pulis but that's just my view and it's too late now so let's go back to 1988 and b come the crazy gang- what are Vinnie and Fash up to? We need some new coaches.

I think this is spot on. There is no point signing creative midfielders as they won't get a look in under Pulis. His style is 4 big centre backs, two defensive midfielders, athletic wingers who work aaard and can join the back 4, and big strikers to hold the ball up. It won't change. This is how we will set up. Depressing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 21, 2016, 07:14:05 PM
Quote from: Nocky on August 21, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
Why? Because IMO we have a poor squad bereft of creativity and genuine quality. I don't have a crystal ball and perhaps another manager might do better, however it's better the devil you know in my eyes. I don't want another Irvine/Pepe Mel situation.

Can't stand Pulis however this is probably the poorest Albion squad I can remember in a long time. Every area of the pitch needs improvement.

If the be all and end all is remaining in this league then Pulis will keep his job.

The novelty factor about being in this league has worn off now as far as I'm concerned, just can't be bothered with any of it. If we drop down to the Championship and see some decent football again then so be it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 21, 2016, 07:24:47 PM
The poorest Albion squad in years... assembled by Tony Pulis over four transfer windows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 07:39:18 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 21, 2016, 07:24:47 PM
The poorest Albion squad in years... assembled by Tony Pulis over four transfer windows.

Yet people still say it's not his fault... hmm..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 21, 2016, 07:42:29 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 07:39:18 PM
Yet people still say it's not his fault... hmm..

I don't think it is entirely his fault, I think the blame for a lot of things at the club can be laid at the doors of a few people. He's nowhere near blameless by any means but not soley to blame either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 21, 2016, 07:47:08 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 21, 2016, 07:24:47 PM
The poorest Albion squad in years... assembled by Tony Pulis over four transfer windows.

It's not, it just has flaws, with three good additions it could be the best squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 07:48:58 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 21, 2016, 07:42:29 PM
I don't think it is entirely his fault, I think the blame for a lot of things at the club can be laid at the doors of a few people. He's nowhere near blameless by any means but not soley to blame either.

So who's to blame since he's been here that we now have a smaller weaker squad? We have a few decent player in the likes of evans/Rondon etc but where so thin in midfield and upfront... and we're playing our best CB at LB and Gardner on the wing whilst Mclean is on the bench....
When we have a player for every position... might not be liked by many but surely they deserve a chance instead of playing our better players out of position
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 21, 2016, 07:54:51 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 07:48:58 PM
So who's to blame since he's been here that we now have a smaller weaker squad? We have a few decent player in the likes of evans/Rondon etc but where do thin in midfield and upfront... and we're playing our best CB at LB and Gardner on the wing whilst Mclean is on the bench....
When we have a player for every position... might not be liked by many but surely they deserve a chance instead of playing our better players out of position

So who's fault it we are unable to bring anyone in ? who's fault is it that players he doesn't rate or want are stuck here as no-one wants them or they are perfectly happy to sit picking their wages up ? who's fault is it that we had to wait to get the likes of Vic off the wage bill for the same reason ?

The fact our best centre half is also probably our best left back makes that decision easier for him, the player has plenty of experience playing there including in the recent Euros. He obviously felt Gardner was the better option yesterday. Did I agree no, I said elsewhere I would have started Leko over Gardner.

If Pulis thinks that is the best way to use his team then he is free to have that choice, he will either keep or lose his job over those decisions as others have done in the past, its what he is paid for whether we agree or not, as I said he is in no way blameless but is also not solely to blame for the lack of decent squad we have, yes he has signed a couple of duds but also has made decent signings.

All managers have players they don't rate, under the last bloke Yacob couldn't get near the side for example.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 21, 2016, 08:02:29 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 21, 2016, 07:47:08 PM
It's not, it just has flaws, with three good additions it could be the best squad.

I think two Pearl, a decent left back & a good box to box midfeild player & we'd be a different side. The one stand out game for me last season was Watford. Ben Watson, a player allegedly not good enough for us, totally bossed the midfield that day
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 08:10:53 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 21, 2016, 07:54:51 PM
So who's fault it we are unable to bring anyone in ? who's fault is it that players he doesn't rate or want are stuck here as no-one wants them or they are perfectly happy to sit picking their wages up ? who's fault is it that we had to wait to get the likes of Vic off the wage bill for the same reason ?

The fact our best centre half is also probably our best left back makes that decision easier for him, the player has plenty of experience playing there including in the recent Euros. He obviously felt Gardner was the better option yesterday. Did I agree no, I said elsewhere I would have started Leko over Gardner.

If Pulis thinks that is the best way to use his team then he is free to have that choice, he will either keep or lose his job over those decisions as others have done in the past, its what he is paid for whether we agree or not, as I said he is in no way blameless but is also not solely to blame for the lack of decent squad we have, yes he has signed a couple of duds but also has made decent signings.

All managers have players they don't rate, under the last bloke Yacob couldn't get near the side for example.

But he don't rate half the players he bought in himself, who brings in players they don't like or don't think are good enough?
Can see the same happening again this window with 'panic buys'... I really fail to see how that's not his fault.

Evans is also our best CB so why would you take him from there?
Like you say YOU didn't think Gardner was our best option on the left but pulis must of... or is it because he's an hard worker? all Mclean done was get us an assist but then he gets shoved back on the bench for the next game.
We can't keep going game after game like this, we need to play our players in their correct and best positions.

We have basically got rid of sess, dropped Mclean and got in phillips so we're still short on the wings when pulis has 2 (could of had 3) who are half decent on the wing yet he plays someone with no pace there who has 1 decent game out of every 5... then when Mclean comes on straight away he puts in a few crosses... I'm no alex Ferguson but even to me it's a bit of common sense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 21, 2016, 08:19:41 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 08:10:53 PM
But he don't rate half the players he bought in himself, who brings in players they don't like or don't think are good enough?
Can see the same happening again this window with 'panic buys'... I really fail to see how that's not his fault.

Evans is also our best CB so why would you take him from there?
Like you say YOU didn't think Gardner was our best option on the left but pulis must of... or is it because he's an hard worker? all Mclean done was get us an assist but then he gets shoved back on the bench for the next game.
We can't keep going game after game like this, we need to play our players in their correct and best positions.

We have basically got rid of sess, dropped Mclean and got in phillips so we're still short on the wings when pulis has 2 (could of had 3) who are half decent on the wing yet he plays someone with no pace there who has 1 decent game out of every 5... then when Mclean comes on straight away he puts in a few crosses... I'm no alex Ferguson but even to me it's a bit of common sense.

I have no idea who he rates or doesn't, Lambert hasn't worked, that one could have gone either way. McMananaman obviously didn't listen when he was told to cut the diving, Chester didn't work and has gone, no doubt for a profit.

Panic buys ? you mean like Vic who sat here until we had to wait for his contract to run down as no-one wanted him and any loan enquires seemed to be met with no interest ?

I have explained why I think Evans played there, so pretty obvious to me why he went there as we have as people keep pointing out an abundance of centre halves so easier to bring in one of our many isn't it ? do I agree with it ? no I don't but I see why he did it.

We won at Palace so as people point out and was pointed out to me when I mentioned Leko coming in for Gardner, "why change a winning team ?"

We have a poor squad, its not ALL down to Pulis, yes he is NOT BLAMELESS but also not SOLEY TO BLAME for all the issues at this club. As some wise old sod said once, there is MIDDLE GROUND to most things !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 21, 2016, 08:29:22 PM
Here we go, I expect to be slaughtered for this but I am prepared to go down to get rid, after being at palace I was led into a false sense of security but watching that dross yesterday I have lost it totally with pulisball.
Can't remember I came away from our home ground happy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 21, 2016, 08:31:14 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 21, 2016, 08:29:22 PM
Here we go, I expect to be slaughtered for this but I am prepared to go down to get rid

Don't think we need to go down, i'd be very very surprised if he is still here around Christmas and even if we stay up given his contract is up in the Summer I don't expect him to be here next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on August 21, 2016, 08:32:51 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 21, 2016, 08:29:22 PM
Here we go, I expect to be slaughtered for this but I am prepared to go down to get rid
i dont wish us to go down but can see why you have said that..once or if takeover is complete i sort of accept pulis has this season left on his contract but i dread to think if they offered him a new contract
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sammyg on August 21, 2016, 08:40:48 PM
If we get players in that improve us in terms of attacking, and linking defence with attack, and this season we are strong defensively, but also look entertaining and effective on the break and finish say 8th-14th, what would people think if we have him a new contract should that happen
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on August 21, 2016, 08:43:55 PM
Quote from: sammyg on August 21, 2016, 08:40:48 PM
If we get players in that improve us in terms of attacking, and linking defence with attack, and this season we are strong defensively, but also look entertaining and effective on the break and finish say 8th-14th, what would people think if we have him a new contract should that happen
i really dont think it matters who we sign i just cant see anything changing the players look stuck in these tactics now..i hope this is his last season at west brom
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 21, 2016, 08:45:56 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 21, 2016, 08:29:22 PM
Here we go, I expect to be slaughtered for this but I am prepared to go down to get rid, after being at palace I was led into a false sense of security but watching that dross yesterday I have lost it totally with pulisball.
Can't remember I came away from our home ground happy


I still can't get my head round if it's style or results. You are Albion mad so your answer might help.
If we played the long pass style but won, say 80%, of our home games, would you still be as anti?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 21, 2016, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 21, 2016, 08:45:56 PM

I still can't get my head round if it's style or results. You are Albion mad so your answer might help.
If we played the long pass style but won, say 80%, of our home games, would you still be as anti?

I can't think of many other teams that play such a style and still get good results. His approach to games will never change even with better players. By the way I think you are kidding yourself if you think we only need 2 players. 5 minimum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 21, 2016, 09:15:10 PM
Quote from: sammyg on August 21, 2016, 08:40:48 PM
If we get players in that improve us in terms of attacking, and linking defence with attack, and this season we are strong defensively, but also look entertaining and effective on the break and finish say 8th-14th, what would people think if we have him a new contract should that happen
If all those things came into place then it would be progress. I'd say it's not that out of the question and that's because when we tried to play football last year usually with 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 with Sess and Morrison in the team, we actually played some decent stuff. It's gone pear shaped at the moment and if it's just Yacob and Fletcher in midfield in a 4-4-2 it's not likely to improve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 21, 2016, 09:18:28 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 21, 2016, 09:04:26 PM
I can't think of many other teams that play such a style and still get good results. His approach to games will never change even with better players. By the way I think you are kidding yourself if you think we only need 2 players. 5 minimum.

Probably need 5 for the squad, but if we could move Johnny Evans back into the middle & replace either Fletcher or Yacob with a decent midfield player, I think you'd see a different side. By decent, I mean decent, if we're going to bring in a marquee player, that's the position I would choose. £25 million + £120k a week should do it  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 21, 2016, 10:47:34 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 21, 2016, 07:47:08 PM
It's not, it just has flaws, with three good additions it could be the best squad.
With just 3 additions, however good they are, it'll still be too small a squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 21, 2016, 10:51:39 PM
Quote from: sammyg on August 21, 2016, 08:40:48 PM
If we get players in that improve us in terms of attacking, and linking defence with attack, and this season we are strong defensively, but also look entertaining and effective on the break and finish say 8th-14th, what would people think if we have him a new contract should that happen
He couldn't achieve most of those criteria in 7 years at Stoke with, relatively speaking given transfer fees at the time, a bigger transfer budget than he's had at Albion so far, so why would it happen here?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on August 22, 2016, 08:51:40 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 21, 2016, 07:24:47 PM
The poorest Albion squad in years... assembled by Tony Pulis over four transfer windows.
This..and more besides. He's had time to strengthen the squad but failed. Macmanaman, Chester, Lambert, 16m down the swanny. He can't sign anyone bar an average winger who was stuck in the championship. He says he wants specialist fullbacks but he can't bring himself to buy any as specialist full backs are generally 5ft 8 - 5ft 11.
We're still playing Gardner and Maclean, honest footballers who work hard but are championship quality at best. But he'd rather have hardworking British than technically gifted flair players who could set up our 2 talented attackers with some quality passing instead of relying on our defence and defensive midfielders hoofing it up aimlessly.
It's horrible to watch, not because I want pure Brazillian style football but because it's totally ineffective. We haven't won a home game since the 1st week of March because we're so blooming predictable. I've renewed my ST but Saturday was same old and seeing Lambert replace berahino was the icing on the cake, throw in Foster trying nick a point with a last second effort made us look like a plucky non league club nearly snatching a replay against prem opposition.
This guy will take us down, or sorry will walk before we actually go down, blaming lack of investment and keeping his 'never relegated' record intact.
It's his fault we haven't strengthened, no one else's. He's killing our club and the attendance and tens of thousands of empty seats with ten minutes left on Saturday was evidence of that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 22, 2016, 09:08:38 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 21, 2016, 09:18:28 PM
Probably need 5 for the squad, but if we could move Johnny Evans back into the middle & replace either Fletcher or Yacob with a decent midfield player, I think you'd see a different side. By decent, I mean decent, if we're going to bring in a marquee player, that's the position I would choose. £25 million + £120k a week should do it  :)

For me we need a LB, LW with pace, CM (box to box), CF/No 10. All starters plus another CH. I agree with you that CM is the critical position. Fletcher and Yacob as a pairing are too slow and ponderous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 22, 2016, 09:21:39 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 22, 2016, 09:08:38 AM
For me we need a LB, LW with pace, CM (box to box), CF/No 10. All starters plus another CH. I agree with you that CM is the critical position. Fletcher and Yacob as a pairing are too slow and ponderous.

It's not just that, they're the same player. It's just TP plays Yacob sitting with Fletch moving forward. If we could get a decent creative player in the middle of the park ( I hesitate to use the word flair, because flair means unexpected, & TP don't do unexpected), we'd be a totally different animal.
By creative, I mean a player with vision, we just haven't got that at the moment.

I don't tend to get too excited about anything these days, I'm a bit too long in the tooth for that, but I don't know if you recall. last Saturday, just after Lambert came on, he had the ball in the middle of the park, Rondon was sitting on the shoulder of a defender, all it needed was a ball sliding through to him & it was a certain goal. Lambert chose to go the other way. Now that's nothing to do with being old & slow, it's to do with not having the vision & reading a situation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 22, 2016, 11:09:45 AM
I have got a funny feeling he will walk if there are no dealings on the transfer market soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 22, 2016, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 22, 2016, 11:09:45 AM
I have got a funny feeling he will walk if there are no dealings on the transfer market soon.


He be too worried about his reputation me thinks, you cant keep walking. more like he will be asked to walk the plank
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on August 22, 2016, 11:30:46 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 22, 2016, 11:12:09 AM

He be too worried about his reputation me thinks, you cant keep walking. more like he will be asked to walk the plank

Agreed, I cant for the life of me see him walking out again, would really tarnish his reputation if he walks from two clubs for the same thing.

I think the likely conclusion would be, if hes not happy, keep the club up and you can move on end of the year (January / end of season) with your reputation in tact.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 22, 2016, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on August 22, 2016, 11:30:46 AM
Agreed, I cant for the life of me see him walking out again, would really tarnish his reputation if he walks from two clubs for the same thing.

I think the likely conclusion would be, if hes not happy, keep the club up and you can move on end of the year (January / end of season) with your reputation in tact.

This has to be the goal now. Another season of his dire football and get to April/May when he has hopefully confirmed safety and inform him he is departing and get a new manager in with some actual footballers signed and we hopefully then have a season where I am entertained as opposed to having to resort to doing the Times crossword during the 90 minutes each week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on August 22, 2016, 11:42:57 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 22, 2016, 09:08:38 AM
For me we need a LB, LW with pace, CM (box to box), CF/No 10. All starters plus another CH. I agree with you that CM is the critical position. Fletcher and Yacob as a pairing are too slow and ponderous.
All I can say is hahahaha. It's not that I disagree with you, in fact you are stating the obvious, but there is zilch chance of it coming to fruition
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 22, 2016, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 22, 2016, 11:09:45 AM
I have got a funny feeling he will walk if there are no dealings on the transfer market soon.

Seriously can't see that Kev, he will have been kept in the loop throughout. If you listen to what he says at interviews, he is finding it as frustrating as the rest of us, but he says that this years transfer market is harder than ever.
For me the real problem is the shortage of players, it's the football industry's own fault, they insist on bringing in ready made players, they're drying up now & apart from a few clubs like us, nobody is really bringing young players through.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 22, 2016, 12:11:11 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 22, 2016, 11:44:37 AM
Seriously can't see that Kev, he will have been kept in the loop throughout. If you listen to what he says at interviews, he is finding it as frustrating as the rest of us, but he says that this years transfer market is harder than ever.
For me the real problem is the shortage of players, it's the football industry's own fault, they insist on bringing in ready made players, they're drying up now & apart from a few clubs like us, nobody is really bringing young players through.

Also i wiuld argue our scouting system is nothing on what it used to be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 22, 2016, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 22, 2016, 11:44:37 AM
Seriously can't see that Kev, he will have been kept in the loop throughout. If you listen to what he says at interviews, he is finding it as frustrating as the rest of us, but he says that this years transfer market is harder than ever.
For me the real problem is the shortage of players, it's the football industry's own fault, they insist on bringing in ready made players, they're drying up now & apart from a few clubs like us, nobody is really bringing young players through.

There is plenty of players out there. We limit ourselves to the British market which is really hampering ourselves. Teams don't need to sell so will command huge fees and we won't pay them. Look at Middlesbrough for example. They have bought in Stuani and Negredo - 2 excellent signings. Much better value from abroad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 22, 2016, 02:06:53 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 22, 2016, 12:11:11 PM
Also i wiuld argue our scouting system is nothing on what it used to be.

I can't imagine they physically scout players anymore Jimmy, They'd all be on a database, you'd enter a set of criteria & up would pop 50-odd which you'd whittle down to 3 or 4 & then go & look at them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 22, 2016, 02:13:56 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 22, 2016, 12:15:45 PM
There is plenty of players out there. We limit ourselves to the British market which is really hampering ourselves. Teams don't need to sell so will command huge fees and we won't pay them. Look at Middlesbrough for example. They have bought in Stuani and Negredo - 2 excellent signings. Much better value from abroad.

It's all about risk though, Tone won't take any, or at least he'll make sure the odds are stacked in his favour, Interesting that Galloway & Jay Rodriguez are both loan players, If they're 2 out of the five, think we might have a biggy coming up. What do you think Yaya Toure would look like in an Albion shirt?  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 22, 2016, 02:50:27 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 22, 2016, 02:13:56 PM
It's all about risk though, Tone won't take any, or at least he'll make sure the odds are stacked in his favour, Interesting that Galloway & Jay Rodriguez are both loan players, If they're 2 out of the five, think we might have a biggy coming up. What do you think Yaya Toure would look like in an Albion shirt?  :)

Probably even more sluggish than he did in a Man City shirt last year as he would have no one to do his running for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on August 22, 2016, 06:50:49 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3753141/Tony-Pulis-says-West-Brom-rediscover-cutting-edge-missing-extra-bit-quality.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Can anyone testify to seeing a cutting edge in the 18 months since pulis has been at Albion? As rare as rocking hoss shlte
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 22, 2016, 06:53:05 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on August 22, 2016, 06:50:49 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3753141/Tony-Pulis-says-West-Brom-rediscover-cutting-edge-missing-extra-bit-quality.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Anyone cane testify to seeing a cutting edge in the 18 months since pulis has been at Albion? As rare as rocking hoss shlte

About as much cutting edge as damp bread.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on August 22, 2016, 07:06:39 PM
Hope he gets the players he wants before the window closes so he will have to put up or shut up! Fed up with with hearing 'The boys worked ever so hard' tosh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 23, 2016, 09:57:45 PM
Will somebody call streetcars
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 23, 2016, 10:02:19 PM
He's got to go he really has. Pathetic performances. Get rid and fork out for a next level manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 23, 2016, 10:03:37 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on August 23, 2016, 10:02:19 PM
He's got to go he really has. Pathetic performances. Get rid and fork out for a next level manager.

I want this so much, more than I could possibly express, but it's too late now, should have been done in May.

I hate my club so much currently. Depressing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 23, 2016, 10:30:41 PM
Complete mess...so close to deadline day. Should have sacked him or backed him. Also the lack of players excuse doesn't seem to be worrying Mike phelan ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on August 23, 2016, 10:32:56 PM
The day he leaves will be one of the best days I've had as an Albion fan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 23, 2016, 10:36:01 PM
GET HIM OUT NOW!

Complete embarrassment, don't have a clue what he's doing. Failed to hold onto the lead last week and once again struggled against a lower league side!

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on August 23, 2016, 10:41:54 PM
Please resign tony
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 23, 2016, 10:42:02 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on August 23, 2016, 10:38:12 PM
.  And that little w.....er  up front

Not just him though is it, without going off topic there's an handful who don't deserve to be playing for a 'premiership' team...

We're all wetting in the wind though with this clown choosing the team/tactics etc..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 10:42:38 PM
Quote from: mikehy on August 23, 2016, 10:41:54 PM
Please resign tony
That is rather polite.
I like it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 23, 2016, 10:45:38 PM
Players need to take responsibility for tonight I think. They should still have enough to beat a league one team over 120 minutes.

However, Pulis has spent 42m in 18 months, signed 11 players including three loanees and I don't see much if any progress being made. The team and squad seem more unbalanced than before he came and more importantly our better attacking players when he joined looked gone or have literally gone (Berahino, Sess, Morisson).

 Have very little confidence he can rebuild this squad sufficiently to keep us up comfortably to be honest .

The club don't seem to be supporting him with signings either so far (loans only)?

Think we have to accept this will be another long hard , tedious season watching us grind away unless something changes in a big way!?

I said a while ago we'd have been better off rebuilding with another man who had a fresh vision to Pulis, it won't work out if we tread water .

Back him in a big way or sack him, COYB grow some balls.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 23, 2016, 10:48:26 PM
My guess is JP is hoping he walks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 23, 2016, 10:49:33 PM
Question is, who can do more with this slow, tedious side anyway? Could even mourinho make the likes of Gardner and lambert world beaters? Probably not
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on August 23, 2016, 10:49:56 PM
walks I will push him out  >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 23, 2016, 10:51:06 PM
Quote from: darbolina on August 23, 2016, 10:45:38 PM
Players need to take responsibility for tonight I think. They should still have enough to beat a league one team over 120 minutes.

However, Pulis has spent 42m in 18 months, signed 11 players including three loanees and I don't see much if any progress being made. The team and squad seem more unbalanced than before he came and more importantly our better attacking players when he joined looked gone or have literally gone (Berahino, Sess, Morisson).

 Have very little confidence he can rebuild this squad sufficiently to keep us up comfortably to be honest .

The club don't seem to be supporting him with signings either so far (loans only)?

Think we have to accept this will be another long hard , tedious season watching us grind away unless something changes in a big way!?

I said a while ago we'd have been better off rebuilding with another man who had a fresh vision to Pulis, it won't work out if we tread water .

Back him in a big way or sack him, COYB grow some balls.

If he's going to go then it has to be now.  A new manager would not be able to play any other style with this group of players.  New manager and 6/7 in/out over the next week essential.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 23, 2016, 10:51:42 PM
Quote from: crazedwbafan18 on August 23, 2016, 10:49:33 PM
Question is, who can do more with this slow, tedious side anyway? Could even mourinho make the likes of Gardner and lambert world beaters? Probably not

Nope mourinho couldn't... but they would probably be nowhere near the first team which is a win win situation!
Really hope he goes asap it's embarrassing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 10:51:49 PM
He has only 1 attacking player (Rondon) the rest are make weights.
How many others has he wanted or signed?
He is a defence orientated manager who doesn't understand football, the fans nor the system set up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 23, 2016, 10:52:28 PM
Quote from: crazedwbafan18 on August 23, 2016, 10:49:33 PM
Question is, who can do more with this slow, tedious side anyway? Could even mourinho make the likes of Gardner and lambert world beaters? Probably not

Even our better players look shot though. All down to poor coaching IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 23, 2016, 10:53:06 PM
Quote from: crazedwbafan18 on August 23, 2016, 10:49:33 PM
Question is, who can do more with this slow, tedious side anyway? Could even mourinho make the likes of Gardner and lambert world beaters? Probably not
Post of the night , the answer at this point probably nobody.
Nobody in their right mind would take this job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 23, 2016, 10:53:13 PM
Surely nobody can defend him anymore
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on August 23, 2016, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: Dexy on August 23, 2016, 10:53:06 PM
Post of the night , the answer at this point probably nobody.
Nobody in their right mind would take this job.

Really!

This group of players are being stifled by Pulis and his anti football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on August 23, 2016, 10:56:32 PM
It doesn't matter who the opposition are and it doesn't matter who he signs- Tony Pulis only knows one way and unfortunately we are going towards ten men behind the ball relegation.

He spent millions at Stoke City and they never once changed or developed their style of football. Stoke fans couldn't wait to see him out- and these are people who should have been thanking their lucky stars at what this bloke achieved!! Doesn't that tell you something??

We are in an absolute mess because sacking him now leaves us at risk of another turd manager unless we go and offer some serious cash to a good one. They then also have to work with this squad. If you guarantee survival I understand sticking with him but this team is going backwards- we still have the same core as we did under Mowbray FFS!

Do you chuck money at this inflated market and back him to improve the squad or do you get a new gaffer and take the risk?

One things for certain at this stage- the style will NEVER change as long as he is here no matter what cash the owner might have.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on August 23, 2016, 10:57:30 PM
Tony Pulis, do the honourable thing and go - PLEASE.
How could any player play with a modicum of flair or intuition when he's shouting at you all the time. He makes Megson seem quiet!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on August 23, 2016, 10:59:13 PM
Quote from: Dexy on August 23, 2016, 10:53:06 PM
Post of the night , the answer at this point probably nobody.
Nobody in their right mind would take this job.
.  The only chance we've got is for someone to come in .Give himself a fighting chance till January then back him in the transfer window . There something wrong when we're not spending money . Don't the powers who be trust him in the market.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 23, 2016, 10:59:58 PM
Please whoever is in charge, don't give him any money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 11:00:59 PM
Not even pocket money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 23, 2016, 11:01:05 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on August 23, 2016, 10:59:13 PM
.  The only chance we've got is for someone to come in .Give himself a fighting chance till January then back him in the transfer window . There something wrong when we're not spending money . Don't the powers who be trust him in the market.

I keep thinking back to that Secret Footballer article.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 23, 2016, 11:01:23 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on August 23, 2016, 10:59:13 PM
.  The only chance we've got is for someone to come in .Give himself a fighting chance till January then back him in the transfer window . There something wrong when we're not spending money . Don't the powers who be trust him in the market.
If that was right why was he not sacked before the season started.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: petethebaggie on August 23, 2016, 11:01:37 PM
I will defend him, there isn't a coach out there more likely to keep this squad in the Prem. I don't like it but the group is no where near good enough to do much with. Is that all his fault I don't really think so this has been coming for three years. If the club is going to seriously invest then I agree he needs to go, but if they are not he is our best bet which really is not too exciting is it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 23, 2016, 11:04:16 PM
Quote from: crazedwbafan18 on August 23, 2016, 10:49:33 PM
Question is, who can do more with this slow, tedious side anyway? Could even mourinho make the likes of Gardner and lambert world beaters? Probably not
to do nothing will in my opinion see us go down, we haven't signed the players we so obviously lack. we haven't improved under pulis and what's more worrying is the defence is leaking goals so combine this with a non existent attack is a one way ticket to the championship. right now I would take a chance on a new man but that's easy for me to say , I don't have millions of £s invested just thousands of hours support over 45 years and I have  never felt so dissociated with club as I do now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 23, 2016, 11:04:28 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 23, 2016, 10:59:58 PM
Please whoever is in charge, don't give him any money
Afraid to say we need to spend whatever , just hope Williams and Hammond are pulling the strings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 23, 2016, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: Dexy on August 23, 2016, 11:04:28 PM
Afraid to say we need to spend whatever , just hope Williams and Hammond are pulling the strings.


Well if they have a big say who comes in then I can cope with that, but not to listen to who pulis wants
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on August 23, 2016, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: petethebaggie on August 23, 2016, 11:01:37 PM
I will defend him, there isn't a coach out there more likely to keep this squad in the Prem. I don't like it but the group is no where near good enough to do much with. Is that all his fault I don't really think so this has been coming for three years. If the club is going to seriously invest then I agree he needs to go, but if they are not he is our best bet which really is not too exciting is it!
.   Hold on half of these are his investment , Perhaps someone else could get something different.out of them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 23, 2016, 11:10:07 PM
Quote from: Dexy on August 23, 2016, 10:53:06 PM
Post of the night , the answer at this point probably nobody.
Nobody in their right mind would take this job.

He was great for a while but I do think Pulis is now becoming the problem. As I said before , he's spent 42m and will possibly get another 30m this window.  Even in today's crazy market he should've added more attacking quality than he has for the money he has had. We are the worst attacking team in the premier league in my mind. I can't think of another team who has worse options than us going forward. Imagine if Rondon got a bad injury ......God forbid. Or imagine if we get a glut of defensive injuries which means we can't just strangle teams for points anymore?

Look at his Stoke days, he spent fortunes on attacking players and they didn't outscore us at the time who were shopping in the bargain basement.

This argument 'Pulis  needs big signings'  is rubbish.  He hasn't shown he can handle our existing attacking players sufficiently to let him loose with a small fortune.

Im sure it's best all around for him to go. Too late now though, we need to give him til Christmas to try to scrape some points,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Plastic Paddy on August 23, 2016, 11:10:18 PM
There is no doubt that Pulis HAS to go, however getting rid of him now (with only 8 days of the window left) would be suicide. In my opinion we need to stick it out until the start of December with Pulis in charge and hope that he can grind out enough 1-0 wins to keep us in contention to stay up!

We should then SACK him and have a Manager lined up (I have no idea who!) to replace him straight away who will then have a month to assess the numerous limitations within the squad which will then give him the January Window to strengthen the squad assuming of course that there is actually money available?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 11:12:13 PM
His mind-set can't attack.
He wants to defend, but doesn't even know how to, now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 23, 2016, 11:13:58 PM
Quote from: Dexy on August 23, 2016, 11:04:28 PM
Afraid to say we need to spend whatever , just hope Williams and Hammond are pulling the strings.
not for me, I've seen plenty relegations and another one wouldn't bother me at all if it meant rebuilding with a new manager who actually tried to win games. dread to think who pulis would spunk the clubs money on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:14:37 PM
Having listened to his interview he's clearly frustrated tonight, with Berahino in particular and also Myhill. Was quick to praise the young lads and travelling support, despite I suspect the travelling support not praising him much  ;)

It would be football suicide to let him go now, any targets identified are his targets. We need to get to the end of this season, pull together as fans as opposed to being utter bell3nds after every misplaced pass or long ball (never mind defeats) and then move on to the next man.

Let's hope it's not Irvine mk. II.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 23, 2016, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: petethebaggie on August 23, 2016, 11:01:37 PM
I will defend him, there isn't a coach out there more likely to keep this squad in the Prem. I don't like it but the group is no where near good enough to do much with. Is that all his fault I don't really think so this has been coming for three years. If the club is going to seriously invest then I agree he needs to go, but if they are not he is our best bet which really is not too exciting is it!

You can't be serious surely? Of course other managers could keep this team up, maybe a new manager might even play players in their right position. He has had transfer windows to sign players yet wasted money on his team, this is pulis team now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommi on August 23, 2016, 11:16:34 PM
Do you want to know the real problem? The players are as disinterested as most of us are with Pulis.

I am sure there are decent players pulis wanted to bring in, but ultimately the manager sinks or swims by performances in this game, hes failing.

He's had his time, achieved keeping us up.

Goodbye Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 23, 2016, 11:18:34 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:14:37 PM
Having listened to his interview he's clearly frustrated tonight, with Berahino in particular and also Myhill. Was quick to praise the young lads and travelling support, despite I suspect the travelling support not praising him much  ;)

It would be football suicide to let him go now, any targets identified are his targets. We need to get to the end of this season, pull together as fans as opposed to being utter bell3nds after every misplaced pass or long ball (never mind defeats) and then move on to the next man.

Let's hope it's not Irvine mk. II.

This is basically it. I can't stand Pulis and i want him gone but to do it now would just be stupid/suicide. His contract is up we may as well just get through it and use .com to vent/debate/moan/chat/argue but get behind the team on match days and look forward to the future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 23, 2016, 11:19:17 PM
I still maintain that it is his style of play that is preventing us from attracting good players to the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 23, 2016, 11:19:29 PM
Quote from: Aztech on August 23, 2016, 10:56:13 PM
Really!

This group of players are being stifled by Pulis and his anti football.
Yes really , look at the squad . Other than un proven Phillips show me a quality attacking midfielder ? Our best defender maybe gone , our second best defender is 36.
A mixture of Pulis's duff signings and left overs from previous managers has got us in a right tangle now , anti football ? Yes , boring ? , yes but to me theres little point changing this late .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommi on August 23, 2016, 11:20:34 PM
Claiming its suicide to get rid of him now is hilarious. It's like you've never seen a manager come in and get the best out of a group of players that's in relegation form?

Teams all over the land turn it round every year, Lord Pulis isn't exempt.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 23, 2016, 11:21:26 PM
He should be sacked tomorrow, take the hit
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 23, 2016, 11:21:46 PM
The glimmer of hope is now John Williams is in charge we may hire someone half decent. Sacking Pulis with Peace at the hell would worry me immensely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on August 23, 2016, 11:26:09 PM
methinks like loads of managers through the years is that pulis has had his day,he msy keep us up but i think we will be the first stain on his record if he stays this season,a football dinosaur and yesterdays manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:26:16 PM
Quote from: tommi on August 23, 2016, 11:20:34 PM
Claiming its suicide to get rid of him now is hilarious. It's like you've never seen a manager come in and get the best out of a group of players that's in relegation form?

Teams all over the land turn it round every year, Lord Pulis isn't exempt.

We aren't in relegation form, we're in 1.5 points a game form, but we're doing it by being extremely attritional, because whenever this lot of bottlers and also rans try and come out and play a side (break shape) they concede for fun, against the best sides (Chelsea/Man City/Leicester/Everton) and the worst sides (Northampton/Reading/Bristol City/Bournemouth). It's the only way they can play and be successful. One goes hand in hand with the other.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 23, 2016, 11:29:05 PM
As I post weekly he has got to go!
We are overly stretched and even in the league cup he would rather play kids then play the bomb squad! Makes a hard job harder for himself and the players. Lack of positive intent will always yield more losses than victories.

I don't blame peace for not backing him. The bullet needs biting before season starts. I would rather us go down playing with intent then surrendering points before kick off and hoping the opposition have a bad day and ride our luck
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_jd26 on August 23, 2016, 11:30:09 PM
Really don't think the club will have the balls to sack him. The only way I think it will happen is if the fans publicly turn on him. I expect there to be banners at the game on Sunday. This is time to get our club back or we will suffer a season of this ending in relegation.

We need to push him

GET PULIS OUT
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 23, 2016, 11:30:35 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:14:37 PM
Having listened to his interview he's clearly frustrated tonight, with Berahino in particular and also Myhill. Was quick to praise the young lads and travelling support, despite I suspect the travelling support not praising him much  ;)

It would be football suicide to let him go now, any targets identified are his targets. We need to get to the end of this season, pull together as fans as opposed to being utter bell3nds after every misplaced pass or long ball (never mind defeats) and then move on to the next man.

Let's hope it's not Irvine mk. II.

A lot of sense here in and around the frustration.

It has been a hopeless summer and I quite frankly do not trust the club to get the neccesary players let alone start the process of faffing around for a new manager. I think the best option is the most painful option and that is letting Pulis see out the remainder of his contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 11:31:38 PM
He won't play players with skill and flair.
He wants them to defend until there is a set piece.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 23, 2016, 11:31:55 PM
Quote from: Dexy on August 23, 2016, 11:19:29 PM
Yes really , look at the squad . Other than un proven Phillips show me a quality attacking midfielder ? Our best defender maybe gone , our second best defender is 36.
A mixture of Pulis's duff signings and left overs from previous managers has got us in a right tangle now , anti football ? Yes , boring ? , yes but to me theres little point changing this late .
One of those left-overs is Jonas who he agreed to another one year contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommi on August 23, 2016, 11:32:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:26:16 PM
We aren't in relegation form, we're in 1.5 points a game form, but we're doing it by being extremely attritional, because whenever this lot of bottlers and also rans try and come out and play a side (break shape) they concede for fun, against the best sides (Chelsea/Man City/Leicester/Everton) and the worst sides (Northampton/Reading/Bristol City/Bournemouth). It's the only way they can play and be successful. One goes hand in hand with the other.

I didn't actually mean us, more so the point that the manager doesn't epitomise the success of a club each season.

If the crowd have turned and the performances don't come, then a change is needed. That's football in this modern world.

We're an incredibly fickle bunch of chaps and once the crowd have turned that group of players will soon become dejected and heads will drop. The players expected more from the club this summer, no one in their right mind is naive enough to think the Albion have done enough in this transfer period to make a go of it this year. People inside and around the club will be thinking the same.

We're feeling the affect of 3 years of sub standard appointments and transfer business, Pulis was the right man to bring in to instil dicipline back into this club, but if we want to compete and want to improve this year, he simply has to go now.

This team isn't good enough you're right, it will be even worse if Pulis stays and the crowd gets on their back, we have to be real enough with ourselves to know that's going to happen now.

Have you ever seen such a lacklustre opening day crowd, one where a takeovers just happened?

The club has lost its culture.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 23, 2016, 11:33:10 PM
Quote from: wba_jd26 on August 23, 2016, 11:30:09 PM
I expect there to be banners at the game on Sunday.
I can't see that happening. If we sign the number of players that he says he wants, we're near to the relegation zone after 8 or 9 games and still playing the same way as we always play, then I think the atmosphere will change markedly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 11:34:23 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 23, 2016, 11:33:10 PM
I can't see that happening. If we sign the number of players that he says he wants, we're near to the relegation zone after 8 or 9 games and still playing the same way as we always play, then I think the atmosphere will change markedly.
It is changing........Now!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 23, 2016, 11:35:38 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:26:16 PM
We aren't in relegation form, we're in 1.5 points a game form, but we're doing it by being extremely attritional, because whenever this lot of bottlers and also rans try and come out and play a side (break shape) they concede for fun, against the best sides (Chelsea/Man City/Leicester/Everton) and the worst sides (Northampton/Reading/Bristol City/Bournemouth). It's the only way they can play and be successful. One goes hand in hand with the other.

I agree this team can only play one way.

Our points per game has tailed off to 1.1 per game in the 2016 calendar year so we're not as effective as before - still enough to just about stay up. Probably the final part of the season when the players had achieved 39 points and virtually went on their holidays is to blame but the point is this team is ageing , losing pace and has been lucky at times to scrape wins especially away so is going to be fortunate to stay up this year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on August 23, 2016, 11:36:25 PM
I can see the logic in saying it would be suicide to part company now but on the flip side it could also be suicide to keep him . I think the general feeling of negativity and anti pulls vibe could also be to our detriment . As we have seen at other clubs when situations arise things can go tits up very quickly . The negativity will drag the club into the gutter .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 23, 2016, 11:36:29 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:26:16 PM
We aren't in relegation form, we're in 1.5 points a game form, but we're doing it by being extremely attritional, because whenever this lot of bottlers and also rans try and come out and play a side (break shape) they concede for fun, against the best sides (Chelsea/Man City/Leicester/Everton) and the worst sides (Northampton/Reading/Bristol City/Bournemouth). It's the only way they can play and be successful. One goes hand in hand with the other.

2016:-
Pld 21; Won 4; Drawn 7; Lost 10.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 11:37:56 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on August 23, 2016, 11:36:29 PM
2016:-
Pld 21; Won 4; Drawn 7; Lost 10.


Repeat.
Say no more, if you really want our club to succeed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 23, 2016, 11:40:49 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:14:37 PM
Having listened to his interview he's clearly frustrated tonight, with Berahino in particular and also Myhill. Was quick to praise the young lads and travelling support, despite I suspect the travelling support not praising him much  ;)

It would be football suicide to let him go now, any targets identified are his targets. We need to get to the end of this season, pull together as fans as opposed to being utter bell3nds after every misplaced pass or long ball (never mind defeats) and then move on to the next man.

Let's hope it's not Irvine mk. II.
Painful , but very true.
No magic wand is going to make this squad attacking , take years off Gmac and Olsson or that chip off Saido's shoulder. We are what we are , scrape to the end of the season and shake Tonys hand .
Then massive Summer number 4 or 5 will be on us again ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 23, 2016, 11:41:34 PM
Quote from: Mo on August 23, 2016, 11:36:25 PM
I can see the logic in saying it would be suicide to part company now but on the flip side it could also be suicide to keep him . I think the general feeling of negativity and anti pulls vibe could also be to our detriment . As we have seen at other clubs when situations arise things can go tits up very quickly . The negativity will drag the club into the gutter .

Good point Mo. Liam and Jacko are right the most sensible thing would be keep Pulis now because it's too late to change direction now. However , by not changing, the fans are getting more inebriated off and if Pulis doesn't get a new contract, the likelihood of him walking to another job increases , thus leaving us in the pooh and with a squad only Pulis could likely work with.

Another crazy summer at West Brom eh! We used to have a direction as a club!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommi on August 23, 2016, 11:44:14 PM
Put it this way...

You've just spent £200M on a club, how do you negate the risk of failure and forecast for a return on your investment.

It's a business after all...

It's safe to assume the current strategy isn't risk free.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 23, 2016, 11:46:16 PM
A new contract for pulis, are you mad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:48:53 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on August 23, 2016, 11:36:29 PM
2016:-
Pld 21; Won 4; Drawn 7; Lost 10.

2016/17. Pld 2; Won 1; Lost 1.

Aren't stats wonderful??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 23, 2016, 11:50:36 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 11:34:23 PM
It is changing........Now!
Cyber disenchantment always takes a while to filter through and be reflected in what happens at the ground.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommi on August 23, 2016, 11:51:12 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 23, 2016, 11:50:36 PM
Cyber disenchantment always takes a while to filter through and be reflected in what happens at the ground.

The opening day was pretty telling.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 23, 2016, 11:51:43 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:48:53 PM
2016/17. Pld 2; Won 1; Lost 1.

Aren't stats wonderful??

Your stats are pretty thin on data compares to Jim though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 11:52:39 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:48:53 PM
2016/17. Pld 2; Won 1; Lost 1.

Aren't stats wonderful??
Yup.
Pld 3 Won only 1, lost 2
We won't mention the pre-season lot, as it will make us all cry.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 11:52:39 PM
Yup.
Pld 3 Won only 1, lost 2
We won't mention the pre-season lot, as it will make us all cry.

Read my post, I don't believe any points were on offer tonight...  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 23, 2016, 11:54:10 PM
Quote from: tommi on August 23, 2016, 11:51:12 PM
The opening day was pretty telling.
I agree that the reduced attendance was to do with the style of football, but I think there's a lot which still needs to happen before people voting with their feet translates into "Pulis Out" chants and banners.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Westie on August 23, 2016, 11:54:44 PM
I don't think it makes any sense to sack Pulis just before the end of the transfer window, we wouldn't attract anyone worth having. Pulis has to stay at least until December and then see where we are. Oh, and don't expect the Chinaman to provide a rescue with loads of cash, I don't think he is anywhere near as wealthy as we have been led to believe. The only certainty is that Jeremy Peace has made himself very rich at the Albion's expense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 23, 2016, 11:54:56 PM
Quote from: Mo on August 23, 2016, 11:36:25 PM
I can see the logic in saying it would be suicide to part company now but on the flip side it could also be suicide to keep him . I think the general feeling of negativity and anti pulls vibe could also be to our detriment . As we have seen at other clubs when situations arise things can go tits up very quickly . The negativity will drag the club into the gutter .

But one thing that goes in his favour is his knack of being able to get results - moresl when they're least expected. If there's a bad run of form he knows how to stifle a game and get results and it releases some of the pressure that builds.

He will probably do the same on sunday - the pressure is building and he'll scrape a result to give us a respectable tally after three games.

Pulis is great at accumulating the points that are needed - it's just a shame he achieves  it in the most mind-numbing way possible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 11:55:40 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:54:04 PM
Read my post, I don't believe any points were on offer tonight...  8)
You never mentioned points.
Leave the goalposts where they were.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 23, 2016, 11:56:59 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 23, 2016, 11:54:10 PM
I agree that the reduced attendance was to do with the style of football, but I think there's a lot which still needs to happen before people voting with their feet translates into "Pulis Out" chants and banners.

Always found banners and out chants a bit low myself, not sure how everyone else thinks, you have to hope that common sense prevails and he is given a swift kick out the door.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 23, 2016, 11:57:32 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2016, 11:48:53 PM
2016/17. Pld 2; Won 1; Lost 1.

Aren't stats wonderful??

So you base the whole of Pulis reign in charge on 2 games?

Ok goals scored 0.5 per game
Goals conceeded 1 per game

Yeah stats are great.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggy nerd on August 23, 2016, 11:58:59 PM
I do not see that this result suddenly means we are relegated. We had the same sort of performances against Vale/Peterboro last season and sneaked through. We will continue to pick up enough 1-0 wins in the league to just stop up. What this match proves once and for all is that he will never change his tactics. We made it so easy for Northampton by putting no pressure on them - surely we should be able to attack a League One side without compromising the defence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 23, 2016, 11:59:41 PM
Lots of people were posting on Twitter about his form against lower division teams in the cups. While that record is embarrassing, the club hired him to keep us in the league and he has done that. They are the only stats Peace was bothered about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 24, 2016, 12:03:06 AM
The only justification for having Pulis at a football club is results. Nothing else matters however once the results head South what is the point? How can anyone argue that he is getting results?

Pulis is not and never has been a 1.5. point a game manager which implies 57 points over a season. He is and always has been a manager in 1 to 1.25 points a game range. Over the course of the last 20 league games he is averaging exactly 1 point a game and over the last 10 0.7. The latter is relegation form the former is just about surviving.

The point must come when the question I have to ask is what would we giving up if we lost Pulis?   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2016, 12:05:14 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 11:55:40 PM
You never mentioned points.
Leave the goalposts where they were.

Quote from: TheJacko2000 on Yesterday at 11:26:16 PM
We aren't in relegation form, we're in 1.5 points a game form, but we're doing it by being extremely attritional, because whenever this lot of bottlers and also rans try and come out and play a side (break shape) they concede for fun, against the best sides (Chelsea/Man City/Leicester/Everton) and the worst sides (Northampton/Reading/Bristol City/Bournemouth). It's the only way they can play and be successful. One goes hand in hand with the other.


Really?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on August 24, 2016, 12:05:53 AM
As keen followers of my posts will be aware (I know there's one or two of you out there!), I am currently staying away from the Albion in part due to this dinosaur. However, while before I was quite neutral on the whole Pulis situation, now I am firmly in the 'he must go' camp. This man is dividing this great club like never before; his style of play is uglier than an albino llama; fans are shunning the club in their thousands.

I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 24, 2016, 12:07:49 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2016, 12:05:14 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on Yesterday at 11:26:16 PM
We aren't in relegation form, we're in 1.5 points a game form, but we're doing it by being extremely attritional, because whenever this lot of bottlers and also rans try and come out and play a side (break shape) they concede for fun, against the best sides (Chelsea/Man City/Leicester/Everton) and the worst sides (Northampton/Reading/Bristol City/Bournemouth). It's the only way they can play and be successful. One goes hand in hand with the other.


Really?
3 games?
Won only 1
Where did you learn maths?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 24, 2016, 12:09:28 AM
Quote from: wbako on August 24, 2016, 12:05:53 AM
As keen followers of my posts will be aware (I know there's one or two of you out there!), I am currently staying away from the Albion in part due to this dinosaur. However, while before I was quite neutral on the whole Pulis situation, now I am firmly in the 'he must go' camp. This man is dividing this great club like never before; his style of play is uglier than an albino llama; fans are shunning the club in their thousands.

I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

Was offered a ticket for Sunday but really can't be bothered to go, it hurts that I would turn down going to watch the Albion as I don't get many chances as I work most Saturday's but i just can't watch pulis football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2016, 12:10:16 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 24, 2016, 12:07:49 AM
3 games?
Won only 1
Where did you learn maths?

WE'VE ONLY PLAYED TWO LEAGUE MATCHES...

Where did you learn anything?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on August 24, 2016, 12:11:00 AM
If we lose Sunday I'm joining the Pulis out camp. My concern is timing and who would replace him. Timing because would a new manager want to come in at the end of a transfer window and really concerned about quality out there and to be honest the clubs  recent history of manager choices.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2016, 12:22:32 AM
Quote from: swad35 on August 24, 2016, 12:11:00 AM
If we lose Sunday I'm joining the Pulis out camp. My concern is timing and who would replace him. Timing because would a new manager want to come in at the end of a transfer window and really concerned about quality out there and to be honest the clubs  recent history of manager choices.

I sensed and bit of turn in extra time/penalties tonight as most of us were livid at the team for throwing it away again.

I really want Pulis to get some quality in going forward and get something similar to his Palace side BUT, a combination of Pulis himself and the Club being so inept and penny pinching to bring in quality, it's slowing draining my positive energy.

Another quick fire and limp defeat on Sunday to a relegation favourite will see alarms ringing as tougher matches are on the horizon. Add in the pathetic sequence and performances at the end of last season and Sunday could become the watershed for me and many fellow fans who still want to believe he can turn things positive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 24, 2016, 07:07:33 AM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 23, 2016, 11:54:56 PM
But one thing that goes in his favour is his knack of being able to get results - moresl when they're least expected. If there's a bad run of form he knows how to stifle a game and get results and it releases some of the pressure that builds.

He will probably do the same on sunday - the pressure is building and he'll scrape a result to give us a respectable tally after three games.

Pulis is great at accumulating the points that are needed - it's just a shame he achieves  it in the most mind-numbing way possible.
in other words he will play for 0-0 at home to a newly promoted team and see it as a victory if it pays off while the crowd get anesthetised. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 24, 2016, 07:20:07 AM
It's depressing stuff.

Utterly turgid to watch. Saido is completely useless.
And I'll be amazed if we get even one more player in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 24, 2016, 07:50:18 AM
Pulis has almost become a caricature of himself. Last night, not only did he refer to Northampton working hard but we also had this about our own players "They’re really fit lads and they’ve worked really hard tonight. I’ll never criticise them". It's as if that's the only criterion that he measures them by. He used to be quite interesting to listen to, but he's so tedious and predictable now in every respect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 24, 2016, 07:55:23 AM
A loss on Sunday, no new players in will see Tone turn into a dead man walking I think  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 08:07:59 AM
hes probably only got 20% of supporters like his posession stats left
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on August 24, 2016, 08:08:17 AM
Ill openly hold my hands up and admit im one of his supporters, but even im growing increasingly concerned now.

I dont think new attacking players will change anything. We have signed Phillips who spends half his time being stuck in our half (instructions).

We continue to stick by players like Lambert who are way past their best, anyone could see we needed players in this summer and I dont believe the old 'clubs are charging too much.' English clubs might be but european clubs arent, were the masters of our own downfall in the fact we are limiting our transfer options by needing players who are 'tried and tested.'

Havent we learnt that most of our best business has come from players abroad, Mulumbu, Yacob, Olsson, Rondon is head and shoulders above anything we have, yet we continue to want to shop in the market for overpriced dross like Anichebe and Sess.

We as a club have been making mistakes and not sorting out problems for near on 3 seasons now, we have needed a left back and a shake up in the team/system for ages everyone can see that, yet we continue to be the same old.

A large factor in this for me is Peace (as much as the tactics and coaching from the head coach). Until that guy is firmly out our club we will continue to be the same old same old.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 24, 2016, 08:10:11 AM
I've purposely kept off this thread over the last 24 hours, because I wanted to give an opinion that would let my emotions settle a little after last night.

However, I think it's fair to say, that although I questioned TP's appointment in the first place, by & large, I have supported him, & his methods. The style of play, although not particularly attractive, was getting results. I seem to recall a long & difficult argument on another thread, where 68% of you insisted the the style of play was far more important than the results & yet the meltdown last night would suggest, that's not the case.

So, IMO WBA's problem at the moment, is exactly the same as the national team, motivation.

Jacko made an interesting comment where his said Pulis was frustrated with Saido, I would suggest that Saido is also frustrated with Pulis. David Law made a comment last night about Saido trying too hard, & he's not relaxed.
Mr Pulis is not leading at the moment, he's driving, he's probably feeling the pressure himself & he's transmitting it to the players. He needs to back off a bit, or it will be curtains for him.
If it were me, my game plan for this weekend would be a much more relaxed one, & make training & the game itself fun.

Now for our part, we need to show a bit more understanding, I can't think of one amatuer sportsman that doesn't set out to win, so the pro's should be even more so.
Sorry, but for this Sunday at least, you don't have the right to boo just because you've paid your money, & leave your "Pulis out" banners at home please,
It's the international break after this weekend, the transfer window closes a week today, then the club can take stock of the situation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 24, 2016, 08:18:10 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 24, 2016, 08:10:11 AM
Sorry, but for this Sunday at least, you don't have the right to boo just because you've paid your money
It might not be helpful to the team for fans to boo but, by paying, it certainly gives them the right to do so if they wish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 08:21:31 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 24, 2016, 08:10:11 AM
for this Sunday at least, you don't have the right to boo just because you've paid your money

No I'm sorry I'm not having that. Of course people have a right to boo, people have a right to do whatever they damn well want to do whether you like it or not. Ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on August 24, 2016, 08:23:26 AM
I'll keep saying it, he's killing our club. We don't want this rubbish. We're 4 players short because he is blatantly ignoring all foreign recommendations. He only wants to buy players he's seen play, hard working players with little quality and not a lot of technical ability.
Last night was a chance to get some confidence back but after a scuffed equaliser and another set piece he shuts up shop from the 47th minute onwards! He doesn't put Leko on because he doesn't believe in putting teams under the cosh and finishing them off. We haven't beaten a team by more than one goal since the 14/15 season because if we ever take the lead the instructions are just to  hold on. Crouches hatrick last night was bad timing for us, a berahino/crouch swap plus a bit of cash he won't spend, that will be the last straw.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2016, 08:28:23 AM
Pulis has been in charge of us for 57 league games since Jan 1st 2015 (I've counted the West Ham game as his first match) we have got 71 points from a possible 171.  This equates to 1.2 points per game which if he continues with that would give us 45.6 points a season.

 If we say he started his management of us against Hull City on 10th Jan then it's 70 points from 170 over 56 league games which is 1.25 points a game and 47.5 points a season.

Neither of those points totals would see us relegated.

I think as Jacko and others have said , sadly he is our safest bet to maintain our PL status. For the position we are in (which is mostly of his own making) we need him to get us out of it. It's a catch 22.

Do I wish we'd have got rid before this season started? Yes.
Do I expect him to see out his contract? Yes.
Do I think we'll avoid relegation? Yes but it will be eye wateringly dull for the vast majority of games with the odd decent performance and the odd win against top 6 sides.
Do I want him gone after this season?Yes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 24, 2016, 08:32:58 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2016, 08:28:23 AM
I think as Jacko and others have said , sadly he is our safest bet to maintain our PL status. For the position we are in (which is mostly of his own making) we need him to get us out of it. It's a catch 22.
Every season that Pulis has managed in the Premier League, there have been 16 other managers who've kept their clubs up as well, none of whom have done it in the way that he has. It really doesn't have to be the Pulis way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2016, 08:40:46 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 24, 2016, 08:32:58 AM
Every season that Pulis has managed in the Premier League, there have been 16 other managers who've kept their clubs up as well, none of whom have done it in the way that he has. It really doesn't have to be the Pulis way.
yes but of those 16 managers I'd say 8 are at teams that are at teams unlikely to be in a relegation battle. Of the remaining 8 managers another 3 or 4 will avoid relegation but finish below a Pulis side, so suddenly your 16 managers is actually looking more like 4 or 5 so yes it doesn't have to be the Pulis way but the options aren't as great as you've implied, but granted they do exist. However changing managers now is a huge risk, it should have been done back in May/June.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 24, 2016, 08:43:25 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 24, 2016, 08:32:58 AM
Every season that Pulis has managed in the Premier League, there have been 16 other managers who've kept their clubs up as well, none of whom have done it in the way that he has. It really doesn't have to be the Pulis way.

You say that like there are 16 other clubs where avoiding relegation is a success. But really the likes of Man U, City, Arsenal etc aren't in the race. I think we were safe by March and took our feet off the gas. No excuses for doing that but that's what happened.

This is the reality this season - we have 3 points from 2 games after a summer of upturn and 1 new player for those 2 Premier League games.

I see the league cup as a different thing and it is a shame we're out but I'd like to see how we're doing by December before we say make judgements on Pulis

Hull Baggie - I basically agree with everything that you've said 2 posts up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on August 24, 2016, 08:44:48 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 24, 2016, 08:32:58 AM
Every season that Pulis has managed in the Premier League, there have been 16 other managers who've kept their clubs up as well, none of whom have done it in the way that he has. It really doesn't have to be the Pulis way.
And the point is his luck will run out, his record is there to be broken. Last night his parting comment was 'I can't fault the lads, they look fit and they worked hard'.
He'll probably come out with this when we're relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on August 24, 2016, 08:45:37 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 08:21:31 AM
No I'm sorry I'm not having that. Of course people have a right to boo, people have a right to do whatever they damn well want to do whether you like it or not. Ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
The place will be like a morgue on Sunday! If the game does not go well for us it will turn poisonous very quickly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 08:53:47 AM
Quote from: lewisant on August 24, 2016, 08:43:25 AM
I'd like to see how we're doing by December before we say make judgements on Pulis

Here we go again... give him til December, give him til May, give him til Christmas, give him to the end of the season, etc etc etc.

How long does it take to prove what we already know?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 24, 2016, 08:54:34 AM
If the fans who want Pulis out but wont go to The Hawthorns while he is in charge want me to boo the manager, team or the club on your behalf, well I am sorry but that ay going to happen, you want to make your feelings known get up The Hawthorns on Sunday and boo till your heart's content, what better way to let the chairman and owners ( whoever they are ) know how you feel and seeing it is on live TV there will be a large audience to show and hear your unhappiness with Pulis. It will be a lot better than showing your feelings on a Forum or facebook.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 24, 2016, 08:59:52 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 08:21:31 AM
No I'm sorry I'm not having that. Of course people have a right to boo, people have a right to do whatever they damn well want to do whether you like it or not. Ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Wow, what's with the hyperbole? Dramatic effect? People can boo, of course they can but its 'ridiculous to suggest' that anyone can do 'whatever they damn well want' whether (you) like it or not'. Could I rip up my seat, run on the pitch and cave Berahino's head in? Can I set fire to the goal down the Smethwick End? How about drive a car onto the pitch playing the Dixie horn, doing donuts in the centre circle?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2016, 09:07:30 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 08:53:47 AM
Here we go again... give him til December, give him til May, give him til Christmas, give him to the end of the season, etc etc etc.

How long does it take to prove what we already know?

What we already know is that he has kept us in the league for 2 seasons and will most likely keep us up this season. What we don't know is if a new manager would keep us up or play a better style of football. Sometimes it is better the devil you know (no matter how much that devil hurts and tortures you). He'll be gone at the end of the season.

As I said in an earlier post the time to replace him was May/June.
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Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 08:21:31 AM
No I'm sorry I'm not having that. Of course people have a right to boo, people have a right to do whatever they damn well want to do whether you like it or not. Ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Absolutely you do have that right (to boo). I wish all the anti Pulis people on here would go and boo if that's how they feel, rather than staying away and impotently moaning on forums and twitter/facebook.

I don't boo personally and am sticking with going to matches and putting up with Pulis and his brand of football because I know he won't here be forever and that gives me hope that the next man in will get us playing an exciting brand of football. I just don't think changing managers even this early in the season is a good idea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on August 24, 2016, 08:59:52 AM
Wow, what's with the hyperbole? Dramatic effect? People can boo, of course they can but its 'ridiculous to suggest' that anyone can do 'whatever they damn well want' whether (you) like it or not'. Could I rip up my seat, run on the pitch and cave Berahino's head in? Can I set fire to the goal down the Smethwick End? How about drive a car onto the pitch playing the Dixie horn, doing donuts in the centre circle?

Would all of those examples be illegal? I obviously wouldn't advocate going to such extreme measures, but to suggest people cannot verbally express their displeasure at a game of football that they have paid to attend is quite frankly nonsense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 24, 2016, 09:09:29 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 08:53:47 AM
Here we go again... give him til December, give him til May, give him til Christmas, give him to the end of the season, etc etc etc.

How long does it take to prove what we already know?
His only excuse for me is the club have been pathetic in recruitment this Summer , even worse than previous Summers.
Never been a huge fan but respected the 100% battle , fight you all the way attitude he installs.
That's been missing for a while now , something very wrong at the minute.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 24, 2016, 09:09:29 AM
His only excuse for me is the club have been pathetic in recruitment this Summer , even worse than previous Summers.
Never been a huge fan but respected the 100% battle , fight you all the way attitude he installs.
That's been missing for a while now , something very wrong at the minute.

From what I have heard, the meetings between Pulis and Hammond have hardly been harmonious. As much as Pulis needs backing he is a stubborn sod and isn't helping himself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 24, 2016, 09:10:52 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2016, 09:07:30 AM
What we already know is that he has kept us in the league for 2 seasons and will most likely keep us up this season. What we don't know is if a new manager would keep us up or play a better style of football. Sometimes it is better the devil you know (no matter how much that devil hurts and tortures you). He'll be gone at the end of the season.

As I said in an earlier post the time to replace him was May/June.

Absolutely you do have that right. I wish all the anti Pulis people on here would go and boo if that's how they feel, rather than staying away and impotently moaning on forums and twitter/facebook.

I don't boo personally and am sticking with going to matches and putting up with Pulis and his brand of football because I know he won't here be forever and that gives me hope that the next man in will get us playing an exciting brand of football. I just don't think changing managers even this early in the season is a good idea.

I'd rather take that risk now. He may have kept us up twice but we are steadily getting worse despite him spending more money than any other head coach has. I suspect had JP decided not to sell then TP would have been on his bike before now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 24, 2016, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2016, 09:07:30 AM
What we already know is that he has kept us in the league for 2 seasons and will most likely keep us up this season. What we don't know is if a new manager would keep us up or play a better style of football. Sometimes it is better the devil you know (no matter how much that devil hurts and tortures you). He'll be gone at the end of the season.

As I said in an earlier post the time to replace him was May/June.

Absolutely you do have that right (to boo). I wish all the anti Pulis people on here would go and boo if that's how they feel, rather than staying away and impotently moaning on forums and twitter/facebook.

I don't boo personally and am sticking with going to matches and putting up with Pulis and his brand of football because I know he won't here be forever and that gives me hope that the next man in will get us playing an exciting brand of football. I just don't think changing managers even this early in the season is a good idea.

Hull Baggie that is how I feel. If they don't like it make your feelings known not by staying away, and posting things on a forum or facebook but at the ground.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 24, 2016, 09:17:30 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 09:10:40 AM
From what I have heard, the meetings between Pulis and Hammond have hardly been harmonious. As much as Pulis needs backing he is a stubborn sod and isn't helping himself.
With respect mate , that's what you've heard.....could be right could be wrong but its nothing concrete.
Pulis is stubborn but he's no fool , you offer him a 20 goal a season bloke from Holland and he'd snap your hand off especially if he's 6ft plus ;D.
Not Mr Popular and never will be but easy to paint everything doom and gloom at the minute with Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 24, 2016, 09:18:01 AM
To be honest it'll just be another season of no Albion watching for me that's how I deal with how boring it is. What we know is he will get the most out of bang average players and I wouldn't trust another manager with this squad.

What I want is For Pulis to see out his contract, consolidate us again. Squeeze the most out of these players and then we reboot in the summer; new owner fully bedded in, Hammond will have had a year to build his network and start new fires.

To me, that is what makes sense. Sacking now and we take a massive risk.

It's not a case of waiting till December and giving him a chance, as far as I think we'll be ok in December but that's a comment to try and calm all the nervous people here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 09:18:41 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 24, 2016, 09:16:28 AM
Hull Baggie that is how I feel. If they don't like it make your feelings known not by staying away, and posting things on a forum or facebook but at the ground.

Problem is anyone that dares to moan or boo at games are shot down by the self-appointed defenders of everything Albion who will not have a bad word said about the club.

Saw a few examples of this last season, even in the Halfords where a fight nearly broke out in the toilets, and already this season as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 09:18:55 AM
i dont enjoy home games under this coach but i dont have much else to do at the weekend. i was wondering can i just buy an away season ticket without buying one for home games, only joking just trying to make a point
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on August 24, 2016, 09:19:57 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 09:18:41 AM
Problem is anyone that dares to moan or boo at games are shot down by the self-appointed defenders of everything Albion who will not have a bad word said about the club.

Saw a few examples of this last season, even in the Halfords where a fight nearly broke out in the toilets, and already this season as well.

What was going on last night mate? Looked a bit heated
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on August 24, 2016, 09:23:04 AM
Perhaps he doesn't sign flair players because he doesn't know how to coach them.
For me our whole coaching staff needs the boot. Listen to the lad who scored for the under 23s Monday going on about how our approach was to sit deep and let them have the ball.
Surely we should be coaching players to retain the ball not sit deep keep our shape and hope for a corner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 09:23:45 AM
Quote from: Morany on August 24, 2016, 09:19:57 AM
What was going on last night mate? Looked a bit heated

It was mostly sparked by a bloke turning round and flicking the V's at people behind him when we scored. Bizarre behaviour but only to be expected from the self-appointed defender of all things Albion brigade.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 09:25:15 AM
and has for his mate Kemp in shorts, he never makes any sense when i hear him on the radio, hes a proper yes man
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2016, 09:27:06 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 24, 2016, 09:10:52 AM
I'd rather take that risk now. He may have kept us up twice but we are steadily getting worse despite him spending more money than any other head coach has. I suspect had JP decided not to sell then TP would have been on his bike before now.

I agree that he would have been gone if not for the takeover. With the takeover there have been a lot of upheaval at the club (mostly behind the scenes).
 I think by Pulis staying on it means at least there is minimal upheaval to the coaching staff and by extension the playing staff. I would assume/hope that once he goes all his staff will go with him as I think the problem isn't just Pulis but Dave Kemp and Gerry Francis too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 24, 2016, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 09:23:45 AM
It was mostly sparked by a bloke turning round and flicking the V's at people behind him when we scored. Bizarre behaviour but only to be expected from the self-appointed defender of all things Albion brigade.
In fairness there's plenty who want to blame Pulis for everything wrong in the world , the reality is there's a lot he's at fault for but a lot he's not. Those above seem to be getting away without much stick in all honesty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dangerman on August 24, 2016, 09:32:24 AM
Pulis plays on the fear of getting relegated.

I'm sure if we appointed the right replacement we would be OK.

My main concern is the players enjoyment. I spoke to mutual friend of one of the players and quite concerning is that the players dislike the training methods he uses and I think it's already been mentioned here and elsewhere that some weeks they go all week training without kicking a single ball.

He is a dinosaur, he is playing on the fear of getting relegated and as long as we are scared of it he will be in a job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 24, 2016, 09:34:33 AM
I think the apathy thing (people staying away) stems from a few bad appointments and a lack of decent investment in the first team for a few years . We're still heavily reliant on some aging core signings from a good few years ago (Brunt, Morrison, Olsson ) and we've done very little good business in the attacking areas of the team for a while now bar Rondon who has potential to be a good signing but is still finding his way. On top of this, we have the most cynically boring, un-entertaining coach we've had since Bobby Gould and we know how that relationship with the fans ended.

I'm with the majority on here that we should've said thanks but no thanks to Pulis in May and rebuilt in someone else's vision. But every day which goes by, he loses more support and spends a bit more money in his vision.

I am beginning to think it's best if we move on asap. If I were the board is certainly have a couple of names in the frame .

Pochetino came into a struggling Southampton team and re-invigorated them. Sometimes a managers fresh approach and ideas can help players too , the players seemed bored shitless to me!?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 24, 2016, 09:35:18 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2016, 08:40:46 AM
However changing managers now is a huge risk, it should have been done back in May/June.
Yes it's difficult to do it now, but it'll be different come October if we're languishing. We're effectively on a run of 1 win in 12 games at present, which is poor to say the least.

Pulis should have gone at the end of last season as you say, but the sale of the club was already in the offing then, so it would have been unrealistic for Peace to appoint a new manager whilst in the final stages of selling the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 24, 2016, 09:36:02 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 09:18:41 AM
Problem is anyone that dares to moan or boo at games are shot down by the self-appointed defenders of everything Albion who will not have a bad word said about the club.

Saw a few examples of this last season, even in the Halfords where a fight nearly broke out in the toilets, and already this season as well.
I love my club and will defend it till the bitter end but fans have a right to moan if they want and yes other fans will question their reasons but with all the unhappiness on here and other forums not forgetting facebook there will be more unhappy fans than self - appointed defenders of everything Albion.

Do I want Pulis out? Well I never wanted him in the first place but he was asked to do a job and he did it, you all knew what his style of play was from his Stoke days.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 24, 2016, 09:37:08 AM
Probably correct Dangerman but the players loved training under Irvine and the results were still rubbish( and performances). Which way do you turn ? , are the players at fault , this group have seen off a fair few!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on August 24, 2016, 09:37:53 AM
Di Matteo 1 win in 9 SACKED
Clarke 1 win in 8 SACKED
Mel 2 wins in 7 SACKED
Irvine 1 win in 9 SACKED
Pulis 1 win in 13....?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 24, 2016, 09:39:31 AM
Quote from: dangerman on August 24, 2016, 09:32:24 AM
Pulis plays on the fear of getting relegated.

I'm sure if we appointed the right replacement we would be OK.

My main concern is the players enjoyment. I spoke to mutual friend of one of the players and quite concerning is that the players dislike the training methods he uses and I think it's already been mentioned here and elsewhere that some weeks they go all week training without kicking a single ball.

He is a dinosaur, he is playing on the fear of getting relegated and as long as we are scared of it he will be in a job.

May was the time to do it. I would worry for our prospects of survival if we got shot of him now and ended up not bringing any players in. Resigned to another season of his pooh and praying that come hopeful safety next season, the trigger is pulled immediately much like West Ham did with Big Sam when they confirmed long before the end of the season that the contract would not be renewed and Bilic was lined up early with a few signings coming through the door before they started their Europa League 'campaign'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 24, 2016, 09:55:07 AM
Quote from: Morany on August 24, 2016, 09:37:53 AM
Di Matteo 1 win in 9 SACKED
Clarke 1 win in 8 SACKED
Mel 2 wins in 7 SACKED
Irvine 1 win in 9 SACKED
Pulis 1 win in 13....?

I'm really not banging the Pulis drum, i feel he's a means to an end until next May. RDM, Clarke and Irvine were all mid season whereas as Pulis' form goes over 2 seasons, one of which we'd reached 40 points and the other we are only 2 league games into. If Pulis has this kind of form mid-season then my tone will change but i can't see that happening.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 09:59:03 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 24, 2016, 08:54:34 AM
If the fans who want Pulis out but wont go to The Hawthorns while he is in charge want me to boo the manager, team or the club on your behalf, well I am sorry but that ay going to happen, you want to make your feelings known get up The Hawthorns on Sunday and boo till your heart's content, what better way to let the chairman and owners ( whoever they are ) know how you feel and seeing it is on live TV there will be a large audience to show and hear your unhappiness with Pulis. It will be a lot better than showing your feelings on a Forum or facebook.

I will not go and if I did I would not boo, I do not think booing helps at all.
There were 2 occasions last night (both instigated by young Feild) when we played a series of quick forward passes and you could feel / hear the appreciation of the fans.
None of what is going wrong is rocket science,
TP is a victim of his own intransigence in terms of tactics / style / team selections / squad selections / man management. We will not be better than our rivals being predictable and stoic.
Last night I saw families who travelled with young kids at great expense, will watching that tripe enthuse the kids, will they wake up on sunday looking forward to repeating the experience, will they go down the park and be "Saido... Goal"....???, will they go to school and brag to their mates about going to away games with dad?
We are frittering away a golden opportunity to establish this club as THE BIGGEST CLUB in the midlands on the alter of TP's  intransigence and i can't watch it, it just hurts too much !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 24, 2016, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 09:18:41 AM
Problem is anyone that dares to moan or boo at games are shot down by the self-appointed defenders of everything Albion who will not have a bad word said about the club.

Saw a few examples of this last season, even in the Halfords where a fight nearly broke out in the toilets, and already this season as well.

I don't agree with booing individual players but if anyone feels the need to then they are within their rights.
The football and current prospects are so dire at the moment that apathy is the biggest danger among the supporters.
We new what we would turn into with Tone in charge and its proved right.
Best we can hope for is that Tone gets us relegated and the 'Kings new clothes' can be torn off
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 24, 2016, 10:03:01 AM
Bit of an insight from Michael Owen on Pulis.

Word must get around hence why no one is a rush to sign for us.

http://youtu.be/uLUuQaBkXcs (http://youtu.be/uLUuQaBkXcs)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on August 24, 2016, 10:04:53 AM
Albion haven't signed any players because the takeover was going through. Jeremy was hardly going to free up cash knowing the club was about to be sold. And the new man has to be cleared before he's going to start spending.

We all know from when he was at Stoke that his football was all about trying to stop the opposition from scoring, there was no excitement in his game or any real tactics.

My only real issue with him is that he blatantly refuses to play players who belong to a position and would prefer to play others out of position. But then I've felt for many years that it's the same dross management going from one club to another leaving nothing but a trail of destruction behind them for someone else to come in and ruffle up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 10:07:58 AM
Quote from: BB74 on August 24, 2016, 10:03:01 AM
Bit of an insight from Michael Owen on Pulis.

Word must get around hence why no one is a rush to sign for us.

http://youtu.be/uLUuQaBkXcs (http://youtu.be/uLUuQaBkXcs)

that is SHOCKING !

I guessed it was bad, but christ alive !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 10:09:19 AM
The divide this bloke is causing, he needs to go and go now.I have never see so much in fighting amongst our own supporters
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 24, 2016, 10:17:16 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 10:09:19 AM
The divide this bloke is causing, he needs to go and go now.I have never see so much in fighting amongst our own supporters
FB is ten times worse Glyn,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2016, 10:17:46 AM
Quote from: Morany on August 24, 2016, 09:37:53 AM
Di Matteo 1 win in 9 SACKED
Clarke 1 win in 8 SACKED
Mel 2 wins in 7 SACKED
Irvine 1 win in 9 SACKED
Pulis 1 win in 13....?
or
 De Mateo 6 wins 5 draw 13 defeats
Clarke 17 wins, 13 draws, 22 defeats
Mel 3 wins, 6 draws (3 from winning positions) 9 defeats
Irvine 4 wins, 5 draws 10 defeats
Pulis 18 wins, 17 draws 22 defeats...so far

Only Clarke and Pulis have a combined win + draw total better than their losses. Mel is equal . I have only used premier league games for DeMateo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 24, 2016, 10:17:16 AM
FB is ten times worse Glyn,

i know Kev its obviously not moderated like on .com. some of the language is quite shocking really even for me
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 24, 2016, 10:19:26 AM
Pulis being sacked is abit like brexit. A lot of people see it as a raw deal and not getting a great yield from it but in reality will be safe enough from our economic crisis- crashing out premier league. Staying with Pulis is the status quo, being without Pulis may do short term harm but could do long term good- could also be a disaster.

Less political analogy like being in a night club and it's alright but not fantastic, it's 1am you could stay where you are hope you find a nice woman and the atmosphere improves or do you shake it up and try somewhere else before closing?

Pulis race is run for me. I voted with my feet I stopped going last year and didn't renew my ticket this year. Saw quote about dyin on feet rather than living on knees- and that's bang on. We don't try and win enough games an even when we do win we never football sides of the park we have grafted a well worked set piece goal or it's a fluke. We surrender the cups. It's not entertaining at all. Why I'm anti villa and tier bedsheet banner protests I think it's well past the time to get this dinosaur out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 10:22:41 AM
i could have made it on sunday because of the early kick off but i prefer to go and see the Fab Beatles down in Exmouth instead.
Even though i have a season ticket untill he has gone for home games i will pick & choose.I do prefer away games because of the atmosphere
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 24, 2016, 10:31:27 AM
I'm just waiting for that first game with the next manager whenever that may be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 24, 2016, 10:36:06 AM
Fellow Baggies, common sense must prevail, it is not the time to change manager as there is just too much risk in doing so. The situation is:

There is only 1 week to go in the transfer window, but there is money available to strengthen
The club sale has not yet been ratified, but should be completed by the beginning of October
The new chairman has yet to stamp his authority on the club and it's dealings and has a decent record at Blackburn Rovers
We don't know who will be brought in in the next 7 days, but have demonstrated our willingness to break the transfer record, even though the purchase failed due to the players medical
We don't know how any new players will bed in and if there is an improvement in our results and style of play


We do know that Pulis will grind out enough results to keep us out of the relegation places by Christmas
We do know that come January, all being well, we will have the opportunity not only to appoint a new manager, if needed, but also have funds to bring in quality players, although at a higher  purchase price

If we are patient and supportive, many of our frustrations will have gone (Saido, Pullis, Lambert, etc.)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on August 24, 2016, 10:36:48 AM
I think the best we can hope for is we somehow sign some quality, scrape through the season and then we get rid of Pulis and start again next summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: Morany on August 24, 2016, 10:36:48 AM
I think the best we can hope for is we somehow sign some quality, scrape through the season and then we get rid of Pulis and start again next summer.

I'm sure we were saying the same thing at Christmas. If he gets a new contract I am done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 10:41:20 AM
On a positive, the kids looked really good last night I thought.
Field was MOTM for me. I could see him playing alongside Yac as he can tackle and pick a forward pass. (not Yac obviously)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 24, 2016, 10:48:29 AM
Apologies for the long post in advance but I think its a case of back him or sack him.

Like quite a few others i think he was what was needed at the time,  i think if he went now it would be the right time as he has done a lot of good things – Made us organised (though end of last season and last couple of games thats gone for a Burton) he has brought in arguably our two best players – Evans and Rondon, he has converted Dawson into a good full back, he has promoted youngsters through with three being involved in the squad all preseason and first few proper matches (okay it may  be by default but the fact remains they have been involved)

I think where we are at now is Pulis’s level, the negatives he brings have been done to death – our approach, bomb squad, signings, etc but i think at the moment the club has so many things up in the air, however the one thing you have to get right is on the pitch and thats why i think the board have some big decisions.

If they are looking to keep Pulis – back him. There is another week til the end of the window so September 1st the time is to judge but going on things as they are right now he hasn’t been backed. I am not saying give him £100m, but be sensible and try and support him, if the aim is to try and stay in the league another year  and they are convinced Pulis is the best man for it then back him, at the moment he is doing it with one arm tied behind his back.

We need a new group of players so either back the bloke in charge or get somebody else in, one way or another we need new players as this group is depleted and not as good as last year as it stands.

Personally if i was Mr Lai i would be looking at replacing him and starting a new era with a fresh approach both for business and football reasons, it may be thats what he wants but cant do much til the takeover is complete, but worst thing we could do would be back Pulis then sack him 6 or 7 games later, again only the club know what the plans are, though i do find it odd that a deal that was agreed in June, no doubt had been discussed many months prior to that, was announced start of August cant be ratified until October, i know its big business but i dont remember other takeovers seeming to take that long.

From a business side if i was the new owners, Saturday would of worried me, we are the first Chinese owned club in the premier league, the most commercialised  and popular league in the world. Mr Lai said that he wants us to be promoted in China, promote ‘the brand’ well if i was him when those tv images were shown over there and all those empty seats i would not see that as a good selling point for the club to potential fans.

We have a headtstart on a lot of clubs as the first and only Chinese owned club, Villa are an example, if (and its a big if) they come up whether people like it or not they are a bigger club / brand. They ve  won a major European trophy (they may tell you about it if you ask nicely) have a famous successful manager who has managed and won the champions league, its all part of the brand and they have an owner who although a bit of a tool is very engaging and communicates well, you can guarantee if they come up, he will be banging the drum for Villa in China, by this time next year i would be shocked if another 2 or 3 premier league clubs aren’t owned by Chinese people too, thats why from a business side i would think Mr Lai would be doing some major reviews of us.

This should be an exciting time for the club, a new era, new owners, we had a good win first day, we gave away free drinks yet the crowd was low, there is a general feeling of apathy i think at the moment, there are a number of reasons for this and all i suppose are linked but it comes mainly down to what happens on the pitch, i think if people are somewhat entertained they will come back for more, thats part of being a football fan, however i think for some supporters its become a chore going the Albion and that spark has gone.

As stated above, if it was me and if Mr Lai is able i would be looking to replace Pulis and make a statement, we have money but we aren’t rivalling Man City, but for us to progress abeit into a top half club then possibly up from there, we have to have a better manager and better players. Money and better managers attract better players, we need somebody who catches the imagination, has the support of players and fans and also most importantly is good at what he does! Jose isn’t going to walk out on Man United for us, we are shopping at a different place but what about somebody like a Bielsa, Mancini, etc make a statement, big names good at their jobs and it gets us rolling.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on August 24, 2016, 10:48:49 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 24, 2016, 10:31:27 AM
I'm just waiting for that first game with the next manager whenever that may be.
I'm exactly the same, I still watch / go to as many games as I can but I don't feel the same way about it as I used too.

I'm awaiting the day that the club sorts itself out, we have a new manager, fresh squad and every baggies fan is behind the team , cheering the lads on not this infighting and dross we have at the moment. Who knows how long it will be before that happens but hopefully its sooner rather than later.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 24, 2016, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on August 24, 2016, 10:48:29 AM
Apologies for the long post in advance but I think its a case of back him or sack him.

Like quite a few others i think he was what was needed at the time,  i think if he went now it would be the right time as he has done a lot of good things – Made us organised (though end of last season and last couple of games thats gone for a Burton) he has brought in arguably our two best players – Evans and Rondon, he has converted Dawson into a good full back, he has promoted youngsters through with three being involved in the squad all preseason and first few proper matches (okay it may  be by default but the fact remains they have been involved)

I think where we are at now is Pulis’s level, the negatives he brings have been done to death – our approach, bomb squad, signings, etc but i think at the moment the club has so many things up in the air, however the one thing you have to get right is on the pitch and thats why i think the board have some big decisions.

If they are looking to keep Pulis – back him. There is another week til the end of the window so September 1st the time is to judge but going on things as they are right now he hasn’t been backed. I am not saying give him £100m, but be sensible and try and support him, if the aim is to try and stay in the league another year  and they are convinced Pulis is the best man for it then back him, at the moment he is doing it with one arm tied behind his back.

We need a new group of players so either back the bloke in charge or get somebody else in, one way or another we need new players as this group is depleted and not as good as last year as it stands.

Personally if i was Mr Lai i would be looking at replacing him and starting a new era with a fresh approach both for business and football reasons, it may be thats what he wants but cant do much til the takeover is complete, but worst thing we could do would be back Pulis then sack him 6 or 7 games later, again only the club know what the plans are, though i do find it odd that a deal that was agreed in June, no doubt had been discussed many months prior to that, was announced start of August cant be ratified until October, i know its big business but i dont remember other takeovers seeming to take that long.

From a business side if i was the new owners, Saturday would of worried me, we are the first Chinese owned club in the premier league, the most commercialised  and popular league in the world. Mr Lai said that he wants us to be promoted in China, promote ‘the brand’ well if i was him when those tv images were shown over there and all those empty seats i would not see that as a good selling point for the club to potential fans.

We have a headtstart on a lot of clubs as the first and only Chinese owned club, Villa are an example, if (and its a big if) they come up whether people like it or not they are a bigger club / brand. They ve  won a major European trophy (they may tell you about it if you ask nicely) have a famous successful manager who has managed and won the champions league, its all part of the brand and they have an owner who although a bit of a tool is very engaging and communicates well, you can guarantee if they come up, he will be banging the drum for Villa in China, by this time next year i would be shocked if another 2 or 3 premier league clubs aren’t owned by Chinese people too, thats why from a business side i would think Mr Lai would be doing some major reviews of us.

This should be an exciting time for the club, a new era, new owners, we had a good win first day, we gave away free drinks yet the crowd was low, there is a general feeling of apathy i think at the moment, there are a number of reasons for this and all i suppose are linked but it comes mainly down to what happens on the pitch, i think if people are somewhat entertained they will come back for more, thats part of being a football fan, however i think for some supporters its become a chore going the Albion and that spark has gone.

As stated above, if it was me and if Mr Lai is able i would be looking to replace Pulis and make a statement, we have money but we aren’t rivalling Man City, but for us to progress abeit into a top half club then possibly up from there, we have to have a better manager and better players. Money and better managers attract better players, we need somebody who catches the imagination, has the support of players and fans and also most importantly is good at what he does! Jose isn’t going to walk out on Man United for us, we are shopping at a different place but what about somebody like a Bielsa, Mancini, etc make a statement, big names good at their jobs and it gets us rolling.

Can't argue with yeah mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 24, 2016, 10:31:27 AM
I'm just waiting for that first game with the next manager whenever that may be.

Ditto, will be my next game too!
Can't bring myself to pay money to watch this clown in charge
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 24, 2016, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: Pie on August 24, 2016, 10:48:49 AM
I'm exactly the same, I still watch / go to as many games as I can but I don't feel the same way about it as I used too.

I'm awaiting the day that the club sorts itself out, we have a new manager, fresh squad and every baggies fan is behind the team , cheering the lads on not this infighting and dross we have at the moment. Who knows how long it will be before that happens but hopefully its sooner rather than later.

I was the same last season, but this season I just couldn't bring myself to go.

I still have that feeling on a matchday morning that I should go but while he's here I just can't do it anymore.

massive respect to those that are going and can sit through the dross that is served up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 24, 2016, 11:02:59 AM
Can I just say, 1) the club is in a crisis & 2) feelings amongst the faithful are raw, but there are two blokes involved in this who have £200 million at stake, so I'd trust their judgement over mine any day.
As I see it the crisis has to be overcome, the Albion Family can do this in two ways, 1) We can start world war 3, or 2) We can use a more dignified & democratic route.
Personally, & based on the chaos that wars in other parts of the world are causing, I'd prefer the dignified route.

As I said, there is a window of opportunity after this Sunday for the club to take stock, by that time, the transfer window will have closed & the ownership issue may become much clearer.
Meanwhile, we have a match on Sunday where we (the Albion Family) need the points, I for one will be giving the Manager & players every ounce of encouragement I can muster, & would encourage other members of the family to do the same.

On the other hand, you may feel that, because you've paid for your ticket, you have every right to show your dipleasure by booing, if you do ok, but it won't be very helpful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 24, 2016, 11:35:52 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 10:37:49 AM
I'm sure we were saying the same thing at Christmas. If he gets a new contract I am done.

This is it for me. I wanted him out prior to the summer but the takeover has scuppered any chances of us having chance to a) remove him and b) replace him and sign a number of players in the mould of the hopefully progressive new manager we'd appoint.

Get the takeover all sorted and settled and endure the Pulis regime which will hopefully see us to safety come next May and relieve him of his duties upon his contract ending and get everything lined up to make that summer and the following season a success.

It can be achieved, but sadly with the Albion we all know better than to think it will be achieved. It means another year is a write off sadly whilst we watch this tripe.

Edit - why does P utrid change to Pulis (inset laugh smiley)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on August 24, 2016, 11:50:41 AM
I also wanted him out at the end of last season, that would have been the perfect time. The way I see it, there is no way up with Pulis; we won't improve, things will not get better, it will just be a slow, steady slide backwards. I want him gone now even though I recognise that it's not the most opportune timing. I simply can't deal with another season of this rubbish. It's embarrassing! I'm actually worried about Sunday because if we lose the atmosphere will turn truly toxic. I really hope that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 11:58:54 AM
Quote from: wbawill on August 24, 2016, 11:50:41 AM
I also wanted him out at the end of last season, that would have been the perfect time. The way I see it, there is no way up with Pulis; we won't improve, things will not get better, it will just be a slow, steady slide backwards. I want him gone now even though I recognise that it's not the most opportune timing. I simply can't deal with another season of this rubbish. It's embarrassing! I'm actually worried about Sunday because if we lose the atmosphere will turn truly toxic. I really hope that doesn't happen.


many £1 future supporters there too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 24, 2016, 12:14:33 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on August 24, 2016, 10:36:06 AM
Fellow Baggies, common sense must prevail, it is not the time to change manager as there is just too much risk in doing so. The situation is:

There is only 1 week to go in the transfer window, but there is money available to strengthen
The club sale has not yet been ratified, but should be completed by the beginning of October
The new chairman has yet to stamp his authority on the club and it's dealings and has a decent record at Blackburn Rovers
We don't know who will be brought in in the next 7 days, but have demonstrated our willingness to break the transfer record, even though the purchase failed due to the players medical
We don't know how any new players will bed in and if there is an improvement in our results and style of play


We do know that Pulis will grind out enough results to keep us out of the relegation places by Christmas
We do know that come January, all being well, we will have the opportunity not only to appoint a new manager, if needed, but also have funds to bring in quality players, although at a higher  purchase price

If we are patient and supportive, many of our frustrations will have gone (Saido, Pullis, Lambert, etc.)
We don't know this mate. History says he will, but that's no guarantee.
What you say makes sense though, it is a tough time to change manager and head says we are stuck with him until summer.
This does feel however that we are being held over a barrel, whereby we have to sacrifice our desire to see decent football, our pride in our club and our standing within the game, just because no-one else can manage the shambles that he has created. That's why my heart says get rid, take a risk, hope that we can restore some pride, and actually get people wanting to watch WBA again.
We sold our soul when we got into bed with this monster, it's time to take it back. (melodramatic emoji!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 12:30:30 PM
We sold our soul when we got into bed with this monster, it's time to take it back.

We sold it to the evil of sky's lucre, TP was just the tool. JP was the architect of the deal with the devil by appointing TP.

We are losing the architect, we also need to lose the tool !

(yes, I know, its too easy though!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 24, 2016, 12:34:34 PM
Quote from: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 12:30:30 PM
We sold our soul when we got into bed with this monster, it's time to take it back.

We sold it to the evil of sky's lucre, TP was just the tool. JP was the architect of the deal with the devil by appointing TP.

We are losing the architect, we also need to lose the tool !

(yes, I know, its too easy though!)
We can sack Pulis but nothing on this earth we can do about Sky, such a shame.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fatboy_coach on August 24, 2016, 12:53:02 PM
Having seen that Owen YouTube vid, does anyone else think he's lost the dressing room? I know from my own coaching that there's only so much shouting that players will put up with, maybe they've had enough?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 01:20:05 PM
Currently a poll on the Birmingham Mail website asking if you want Tony Pulis to continue as Head Coach. 81% say NO at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 01:20:05 PM
Currently a poll on the Birmingham Mail website asking if you want Tony Pulis to continue as Head Coach. 81% say NO at the moment.


Does anyone from the club really take any notice
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 24, 2016, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 01:22:51 PM
Does anyone from the club really take any notice

No idea.

I know I don't pay a blind bit of notice to online polls in the Birmingham Mail though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on August 24, 2016, 01:28:23 PM
I believe his time is coming to an end

That result last night will not go down well with the fans or the hierarchy.

They should have gotten rid of him at the end of last season with hindsight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 01:30:50 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 01:22:51 PM

Does anyone from the club really take any notice

I would imagine so, they certainly monitor this forum so I wouldn't be surprised.

It wouldn't shock me if they actually asked the Birmingham Mail to run the poll.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 24, 2016, 01:43:34 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 01:30:50 PM
I would imagine so, they certainly monitor this forum so I wouldn't be surprised.

It wouldn't shock me if they actually asked the Birmingham Mail to run the poll.
The problem with such polls is that they're open to fans from other clubs who will always seek to make mischief. On that basis, I wouldn't have thought the club would take much notice of polls run that way.

Indeed, they probably don't take much notice of any polls - as many will recall, more controlled polls at the time showed 80% in support of Pepe Mel staying, yet he got sacked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on August 24, 2016, 01:44:24 PM
Berahino has to take blame for last night

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 24, 2016, 01:46:34 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 01:30:50 PM
I would imagine so, they certainly monitor this forum so I wouldn't be surprised.

It wouldn't shock me if they actually asked the Birmingham Mail to run the poll.

Really?
It would surprise the s h i t out of me if they had.

Football is a multi million pound industry.
I think it would be amazingly stupid for the club to make business decisions based on the results of online Birdungham Mail surveys.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 24, 2016, 01:43:34 PM
The problem with such polls is that they're open to fans from other clubs who will always seek to make mischief. On that basis, I wouldn't have thought the club would take much notice of polls run that way.

Indeed, they probably don't take much notice of any polls - as many will recall, more controlled polls at the time showed 80% in support of Pepe Mel staying, yet he got sacked.


correct, i always click on anything seal related :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan87uk on August 24, 2016, 01:51:22 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on August 24, 2016, 01:44:24 PM
Berahino has to take blame for last night

As petulant as he can be, Berahino is not the ONLY person to blame for last night, there were 10 others on the pitch (Plus the subs that came on) with him and they were all being lead by the Pulis Rex and his (Horrendous) football philosophy......

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 24, 2016, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 01:48:15 PM

correct, i always click on anything seal related :)

Obsessed  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on August 24, 2016, 02:06:22 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 24, 2016, 01:43:34 PM
The problem with such polls is that they're open to fans from other clubs who will always seek to make mischief. On that basis, I wouldn't have thought the club would take much notice of polls run that way.

Indeed, they probably don't take much notice of any polls - as many will recall, more controlled polls at the time showed 80% in support of Pepe Mel staying, yet he got sacked.
The one's creating the mischief are the 9% who want pulis to stay! . I cannot see how anyone with the best interests of the club , could possibly want that 'TOOL'  remain at the club a day longer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 02:07:44 PM
Quote from: baggiecarl on August 24, 2016, 02:06:22 PM
The one's creating the mischief are the 9% who want pulis to stay! . I cannot see how anyone with the best interests of the club , could possibly want that 'TOOL'  remain at the club a day longer.


he cant fix it though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 02:49:00 PM
polls running both the Mail and the Wolverhampton rag at 75% in favour of the boot, not quite enough so he still has some backing, god they must like watching paint dry
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 24, 2016, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 02:49:00 PM
polls running both the Mail and the Wolverhampton rag at 75% in favour of the boot, not quite enough so he still has some backing, god they must like watching paint dry

 I guess the fear of the unknown is preventing people supporting a change? I'm sure Southampton fans had that when they sacked Nigel Adkins and went for Pochetino .

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: ajt33 on January 01, 2015, 01:53:38 PM
Happy New Year to y'all.

Absolutely delighted with the appointment of Mr Pulis as head coach of West Brom. Really feared we would end up with Sherwood.

From miserable to optimistic in the in the space of a few days. A fresh start - throw out the old and roll in the new.

The Gaffer 8)
(http://www.maidirecalcio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/tony-pulis-manager.jpg)


Quite interesting reading through this thread, oh the change. his shelf life has come and gone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 24, 2016, 02:54:09 PM
The club is risking a lot with the way they have conducted themselves. Pulls must be frustrated, you get the impression the hierarchy don't fully support him (lack of contract extension, hiring Hammond) so are they both waiting for the other to blink first? Putting our premier league status in jeopardy seems a risky thing to me. I also saw posts about Eddie Howe and Pellegrini being wanted by fans, I'd like Guardiola but none of them will come to us...Alan Curbishley anyone ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 24, 2016, 02:54:28 PM
they more than likely arent Albion fans voting! Dingles, Vile fans etc will want to see him stay if he is causing this much trouble amongst us.

I for sure dont know 1 in every 4 Albion fans who want him to stay; EVERY Albion fan i know want him gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 24, 2016, 02:57:44 PM
I believe that Pulis had a word with Morrison and got him to sign a new deal based on the players he intended to sign and his vision for the club going forward.
I bet Mozza feels like he's been had in the net at the minute
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on August 24, 2016, 03:05:48 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 02:49:00 PM
polls running both the Mail and the Wolverhampton rag at 75% in favour of the boot, not quite enough so he still has some backing, god they must like watching paint dry
The majority of the 25% in favour of retaining the status quo are probably Dingles and vilers laughing at our demise. The situation is similar to the poll in the evening mail regarding Paul lambert , when blues and west brom fans voted to keep him knowing it would hasten the viller's plight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 24, 2016, 03:17:00 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on August 24, 2016, 02:57:44 PM
I believe that Pulis had a word with Morrison and got him to sign a new deal based on the players he intended to sign and his vision for the club going forward.
I bet Mozza feels like he's been had in the net at the minute

I believe Morrison is here purely because Middlesbrough wouldn't pay him what he wanted to be honest.

I would have been perfectly happy to see Pulis leave at the end of last season. No way will he walk as he will want a payoff to cover his issues with Palace.

I do think though that more than just Pulis are responsible for where we are at the moment, the fact we needed someone like Pulis was bad enough but the club has stood still for too long and Pulis like him or loathe him suits what the tenure of Jeremy Peace wants, a club that will stay in the division without threatening anything higher, a club that (rightly as a business) makes a decent profit each year.

Not what we as paying fans want but for the club as a business its ideal, what is lost through the turnstile is more than covered through TV money from both here and overseas. I'll still be there no doubt unless money or work stop me as work has done over the past 18months and possibly will do in the coming months, simple reason is that I was here before Pulis and Peace and hopefully will be long after both are a distant memory.

Last night I thought that the players attitudes were that of a lost dressing room with only Field and Wilson coming out with any credit, Sunday is a big big day for Pulis and whoever is in charge of the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 24, 2016, 03:18:05 PM
One way or another, I think those of you who want to see him gone will get your wish very soon. If we are to continue with the present squad and a couple more low profile additions then God help us. Other than TP the only other person I would turn to is RH.
I have always supported Peace, but I will never forgive him for this debacle and this manager has been very badly let down by him, as we all have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on August 24, 2016, 03:57:38 PM
2-1 up last night against a lower league team with youngster Leko who loves running at people at pace and creating or scoring and what does he elect to do? Bring on a defensive midfielder to shut-up shop. That was criminal and sums up his flaws nicely.

I wouldn't sack him at this point as we need to get the transfer window out of the way and get a replacement lined up who is an improvement, which is not easy. What we need to do is try to find someone to replace him by next summer at the latest and in the meantime grin and bear the pain of Pulisball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 24, 2016, 04:18:54 PM
Are people trying to say that his strategy loses us the games, rather than inept play from our team?

It is his set up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on August 24, 2016, 04:30:14 PM
pulis wont go anywhere while jp is still at the club why would he get rid then have the hassle of getting someone in when probably only has 6 weeks left until takeover complete
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: superbobgod on August 24, 2016, 04:33:20 PM
I have defended TP for some months now. While knowing his limitations - i put far more of the blame at Peace's door. Surely TP would not be responsible for only signing perm 1 player during 2016 while several depart.

However - as i said when  i called Talksport on my way home from the match last night - i have turned and had enough - i finished the call with Goldstein and Cundy with [b]"Tony Pulis get out of our club!"[/b] 28 years a season ticket holder, through even darker days - i cant recall being less enthused to go to the match than i currently am for Sunday! I might even just watch it on the TV while the rest of the country laughs at how bad we are!

I am sure i will drag myself along in the end - does anyone know if we can take banners into the ground?? See above for slogan and for all our sake's people that do go to games - dont sly off in melancholy or stick to chat rooms - shout it loud and in unison - lets make Williams and Lai aware of our thoughts!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: telford baggie on August 24, 2016, 04:30:14 PM
pulis wont go anywhere while jp is still at the club why would he get rid then have the hassle of getting someone in when probably only has 6 weeks left until takeover complete

JP wanted him out in the summer but the new regime told him to hold fire, so you can't blame Peace for him still being here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 24, 2016, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: superbobgod on August 24, 2016, 04:33:20 PM
I have defended TP for some months now. While knowing his limitations - i put far more of the blame at Peace's door. Surely TP would not be responsible for only signing perm 1 player during 2016 while several depart.

However - as i said when  i called Talksport on my way home from the match last night - i have turned and had enough - i finished the call with Goldstein and Cundy with [b]"Tony Pulis get out of our club!"[/b] 28 years a season ticket holder, through even darker days - i cant recall being less enthused to go to the match than i currently am for Sunday! I might even just watch it on the TV while the rest of the country laughs at how bad we are!

I am sure i will drag myself along in the end - does anyone know if we can take banners into the ground?? See above for slogan and for all our sake's people that do go to games - dont sly off in melancholy or stick to chat rooms - shout it loud and in unison - lets make Williams and Lai aware of our thoughts!!!

Listened to your call mate and that pr1ck cundy said something like 'well West Brom, what do you expect?'

Same Chelsea when that grunt was playing in front of 7,000 and going out of business.

Until Abromovich, our records were identical. Think they won a CWC above us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 24, 2016, 04:40:45 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 24, 2016, 04:18:54 PM
Are people trying to say that his strategy loses us the games, rather than inept play from our team?

It is his set up.
Change "our" to "his" and it's a bit of both.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on August 24, 2016, 04:43:20 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 04:35:36 PM
JP wanted him out in the summer but the new regime told him to hold fire, so you can't blame Peace for him still being here.

Where have you got that info from, mate? Haven't heard that before. Would be very interesting if true, and not at all promising!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 24, 2016, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: wbawill on August 24, 2016, 04:43:20 PM
Where have you got that info from, mate? Haven't heard that before. Would be very interesting if true, and not at all promising!
it was doing the rounds in the days of the takeover announcement (before and after).Peace was getting fed up with him ( as you can imagine with how strong willed the two are) and apparently if the takeover failed he'd have fired him by now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 24, 2016, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 24, 2016, 04:54:13 PM
it was doing the rounds in the days of the takeover announcement (before and after).Peace was getting fed up with him ( as you can imagine with how strong willed the two are) and apparently if the takeover failed he'd have fired him by now.

I'd have insisted it as part of the deal. If JP had the clubs best interest at heart he'd have fired Pulis at the end of last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 24, 2016, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 24, 2016, 04:57:56 PM
I'd have insisted it as part of the deal. If JP had the clubs best interest at heart he'd have fired Pulis at the end of last season.
What? after Pulis had carried out his instructions, and facilitated him filling his pockets ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 24, 2016, 05:44:56 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on August 24, 2016, 05:20:20 PM
What? after Pulis had carried out his instructions, and facilitated him filling his pockets ?

My point exactly. He only has his own interests at heart.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 24, 2016, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 04:35:36 PM
JP wanted him out in the summer but the new regime told him to hold fire, so you can't blame Peace for him still being here.

So Williams then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 24, 2016, 06:00:35 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 24, 2016, 05:58:43 PM
So Williams then?

Lai and the other unknown Chinese owners.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2016, 06:11:13 PM
Since the start of last season we've had 7 matches against lower division sides under Pulis. Won 1, Drawn 5, Lost 1.
Our record against sides below the championship is played 4, drawn 4.

Herein lies the problem. Pulis plays to limit the opposition. He plays to drag down the opposition to our level. It doesn't matter if the opposition is top of the premier, or bottom of league 2, our tactics will always be the same.

You have to ask what good is merely existing in the premier when we're basically a laughing stock, and its a massive chore to even watch games. How is the championship any worse than that. Unfortunately now would be a terrible time to change manager and based on previous appointments, I have little faith we'd replace him well anyway.

Really my major concern is even if we stay up, by the time we get rid of Pulis, the squad will have had any flair and attacking threat taken out and a bunch of triers who offer no forward competence that even when he leaves we'll either go down straight away anyway as the players can't adapt, or be doomed to get a similarly uninspiring manager who can play to the very limited approach capable of the current squad. Furthermore with promising talents like Field and Leko you really have to question how much they can possibly learn when 95% focus is how to defend without the ball.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 24, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
Really wouldn't mind being in the championship without Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 24, 2016, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 24, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
Really wouldn't mind being in the championship without Pulis.

Wow. I'm done. Bye all!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2016, 06:31:12 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 24, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
Really wouldn't mind being in the championship without Pulis.

Pathetic that you'd throw away 7 years of hard work, and having to sit through the last 3 seasons for the sake of another 7 months...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 24, 2016, 06:49:53 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 24, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
Really wouldn't mind being in the championship without Pulis.

I'd only want you doing that if it meant you were supporting someone else.  ;)

Dire as we are I really don't want us to lose status.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 24, 2016, 06:58:20 PM
Calm down you lot.

It's "important" to the club to be in the premiership but is anyone actually having any fun?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 24, 2016, 06:59:11 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on August 24, 2016, 06:49:53 PM
I'd only want you doing that if it meant you were supporting someone else.  ;)

Dire as we are I really don't want us to lose status.
Have to say I couldn't give to shytes what league Albion are in, I'm Albion.

Always better to be on the guest list, but, it wouldn't break my heart if I had to sneek in again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: newbaggie on August 24, 2016, 07:24:48 PM
I think its a no brainer that albion must retain premier status.What I would like to know is if tp is going to fall on his sword who will push him?Will it be Williams if and when the t/over is done and does mr. lai have enough savvy to realise the good ship albion is navigating stormy seas?Do you think he realises the animosity towards tp.In my opinion unless the club are willing to back tp with transfers it is to me like a vote of no confidence. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2016, 07:27:35 PM
Quote from: newbaggie on August 24, 2016, 07:24:48 PM
I think its a no brainer that albion must retain premier status.What I would like to know is if tp is going to fall on his sword who will push him?Will it be Williams if and when the t/over is done and does mr. lai have enough savvy to realise the good ship albion is navigating stormy seas?Do you think he realises the animosity towards tp.In my opinion unless the club are willing to back tp with transfers it is to me like a vote of no confidence.

Won't need a push or a walk, his contract is up at the end of the season, and unless we go on a similar run to the end of last season (but in a part of this season that actually matters) then it'll be the end of the season when he leaves.

Unless we finish top half and then he'll get a new deal  :D ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on August 24, 2016, 07:36:22 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 24, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
Really wouldn't mind being in the championship without Pulis.
I am guessing here, but it sounds like a cry for help to me. A plea if you like, for some entertainment, for some excitement, for enjoying a game of football, for trying to win a game by creative football, not just from set pieces, for coming away from a match feeling proud of the way we have played, win or lose. Obviously this would ideally be in the Premiership, but I can understand how Jimmy has got to a point of despair where he remembers having these feelings when we were at the top of the Championship, and yearns for them again. Don't be too hard on him, many of us share these feelings, even if we may disagree with the solution.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 24, 2016, 07:39:13 PM
Quote from: timdon on August 24, 2016, 07:36:22 PM
I am guessing here, but it sounds like a cry for help to me. A plea if you like, for some entertainment, for some excitement, for enjoying a game of football, for trying to win a game by creative football, not just from set pieces, for coming away from a match feeling proud of the way we have played, win or lose. Obviously this would ideally be in the Premiership, but I can understand how Jimmy has got to a point of despair where he remembers having these feelings when we were at the top of the Championship, and yearns for them again. Don't be too hard on him, many of us share these feelings, even if we may disagree with the solution.

Well said Timdon
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 24, 2016, 07:54:32 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2016, 07:27:35 PM
Won't need a push or a walk, his contract is up at the end of the season, and unless we go on a similar run to the end of last season (but in a part of this season that actually matters) then it'll be the end of the season when he leaves.

Unless we finish top half and then he'll get a new deal  :D ;)
Different when Clarke was manager you had no problem rolling over a poor run into the next season then. He should be judged on a record of one win in 13 is it? and that's sackable by anyone's standards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on August 24, 2016, 07:56:48 PM
As someone who was firmly in the pro-pulis camp, seeing our form in the last 12 games has worried me.

I had it in my head we had drawn alot more and not lost many if that makes sense.

Managers down the years with us have been sacked for worse runs however its not just the management thats causing the problems.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: Dudleylad on August 24, 2016, 07:56:48 PM
As someone who was firmly in the pro-pulis camp, seeing our form in the last 12 games has worried me.

I had it in my head we had drawn alot more and not lost many if that makes sense.

Managers down the years with us have been sacked for worse runs however its not just the management thats causing the problems.

I agree mate sacking Pulis will not suddenly solve all our problems, but the place needs a big lift and I honestly don't think that will happen until he's gone. When managers get to this point with the fans it's very rare they survive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 24, 2016, 08:00:17 PM
Quote from: timdon on August 24, 2016, 07:36:22 PM
I am guessing here, but it sounds like a cry for help to me. A plea if you like, for some entertainment, for some excitement, for enjoying a game of football, for trying to win a game by creative football, not just from set pieces, for coming away from a match feeling proud of the way we have played, win or lose. Obviously this would ideally be in the Premiership, but I can understand how Jimmy has got to a point of despair where he remembers having these feelings when we were at the top of the Championship, and yearns for them again. Don't be too hard on him, many of us share these feelings, even if we may disagree with the solution.

Cheers mate, nailed on.

Of course I want the Albion competing with the best but to quote The Matrix "not like this, not like this".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on August 24, 2016, 08:07:57 PM
I'm with Jimmy and Timdon here.

I'd like to say the following...

- I like Tony pulis. He is honest, lives the job and does what he has to do with the talent available to keep our club in the top league.
- there are about 6 clubs who, if he was free, would jump at the chance to employ him. He really does guarantee survival.

However,

- I'm a football fan. If I'm going to spend a lot of money on a match day, then I want to be entertained.
- Sure I know it's "a business" but as a fan I couldn't give two s!its about that. I want my club to 1) still be in existance and 2) be excited by a match day
- I want to look forward to the experience...the game... The thrill of it.

I'm done with "staying up". I just want to have a team that gets me interested again and I couldn't care less about what division it's in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 24, 2016, 08:15:03 PM
https://youtu.be/uyxH3K1k9b4 (https://youtu.be/uyxH3K1k9b4)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on August 24, 2016, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: slate on August 24, 2016, 08:07:57 PM
I'm with Jimmy and Timdon here.

I'd like to say the following...

- I like Tony pulis. He is honest, lives the job and does what he has to do with the talent available to keep our club in the top league.
- there are about 6 clubs who, if he was free, would jump at the chance to employ him. He really does guarantee survival.

However,

- I'm a football fan. If I'm going to spend a lot of money on a match day, then I want to be entertained.
- Sure I know it's "a business" but as a fan I couldn't give two s!its about that. I want my club to 1) still be in existance and 2) be excited by a match day
- I want to look forward to the experience...the game... The thrill of it.

I'm done with "staying up". I just want to have a team that gets me interested again and I couldn't care less about what division it's in.
Honestly, despite your fair acknowledgment of Pulis' good points, we are not going to see this again whilst he is in charge. I've come to the point where I just want him gone. It's not as if he is the ONLY manager in the world who can keep us up, and there must be a way of keeping us up AND playing with pride, passion, and entertaining us fans. It's just about making the right choice, not easy I'm sure but other clubs seem to manage it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on August 24, 2016, 09:01:06 PM
Quote from: timdon on August 24, 2016, 08:57:20 PM
Honestly, despite your fair acknowledgment of Pulis' good points, we are not going to see this again whilst he is in charge. I've come to the point where I just want him gone. It's not as if he is the ONLY manager in the world who can keep us up, and there must be a way of keeping us up AND playing with pride, passion, and entertaining us fans. It's just about making the right choice, not easy I'm sure but other clubs seem to manage it.

Totally agree with you mate. And I'm happy to take a chance on relegation if that's what it requires.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 24, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on August 24, 2016, 08:15:03 PM
https://youtu.be/uyxH3K1k9b4 (https://youtu.be/uyxH3K1k9b4)

Love that but hadn't heard it for a short while.

Cheers buddy  8) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 24, 2016, 11:37:13 PM
These players have been drilled so much to play a certain style that any new manager coming in now or in the near future will have one hell of a job changing things with this squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on August 25, 2016, 07:28:41 AM
I understand the need for us to be defensively solid , disciplined and organised.

What I yearn for is to see some skill within that structure

Is it not too much to ask for tidy crisp passing and someone who can do something different .

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 25, 2016, 07:56:34 AM
But are we that defensively organised? We leak soft goals all over the place.

Both goals against Everton were easily avoidable for example, as were the goals against Northampton.

I still firmly believe this team would be better suited to play higher up the pitch. Nobody has the explosive pace/power to get us 50-60 yards up the pitch yet I believe with Evans at CB we could play higher up and aid our midfield to be closer to the opposition's penalty area.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 25, 2016, 09:05:55 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on August 25, 2016, 07:56:34 AM
But are we that defensively organised? We leak soft goals all over the place.

Both goals against Everton were easily avoidable for example, as were the goals against Northampton.

I still firmly believe this team would be better suited to play higher up the pitch. Nobody has the explosive pace/power to get us 50-60 yards up the pitch yet I believe with Evans at CB we could play higher up and aid our midfield to be closer to the opposition's penalty area.
We don't defend well, as such, we just defend in numbers, with every position doubled up for protection. When we do play a bit more pressing, usually against lower league opposition, our defensive frailties are exposed.
For me we need genuine fullbacks who fully understand the position, both defensively and offensively, so that the wide midfield players do not have to offer so much protection, thus allowing them to concentrate on what they are good at. Of course this will leave us more vulnerable but will also give us far more of a threat going forward and balance out the possession stats. After all, the other team can't score when we have the ball.
Other than the fullbacks, I think we have the personnel to do it, they just need to be allowed more freedom to play their natural game and unfortunately that will not be allowed under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 25, 2016, 09:23:17 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on August 25, 2016, 07:56:34 AM
But are we that defensively organised? We leak soft goals all over the place.

Both goals against Everton were easily avoidable for example, as were the goals against Northampton.

I still firmly believe this team would be better suited to play higher up the pitch. Nobody has the explosive pace/power to get us 50-60 yards up the pitch yet I believe with Evans at CB we could play higher up and aid our midfield to be closer to the opposition's penalty area.

This year we have conceeded 6 goals every 5 games whilst scoring 4 goals every 5 games.

For an ultra defensive team that makes grim reading, 

In defence of the defence 😨 the amount of sustained pressure they come under every game is immense
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 25, 2016, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on August 25, 2016, 09:23:17 AM
This year we have conceeded 6 goals every 5 games whilst scoring 4 goals every 5 games.

For an ultra defensive team that makes grim reading, 

In defence of the defence 😨 the amount of sustained pressure they come under every game is immense

The mid field bring the pressure on the team by playing negatively ala Pulis style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 25, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Right own up. Which of you wrote and performed that song doing the rounds? Come on. It's one of you  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 25, 2016, 09:54:26 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on August 25, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Right own up. Which of you wrote and performed that song doing the rounds? Come on. It's one of you  ;)

I did post the link but it's been deleted?

Anyway, cringe!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 26, 2016, 12:54:23 AM
No Pulis fan and I am at the point of ambivalence with albion. which pains me to say. I just think the next manager will have quite the project...We have been playing pretty rubbish football since halfway through Clarke's first season (the odd highlight here and there) so we will need an all mighty shake up, with or without Pulis...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 26, 2016, 07:31:15 AM
I'm the same, no fan of Pulis or his anti football ethos.
I will add that I think our current non transfer activity can't be  lain at Pulis's door.
I suppose he has the final say on who come's in but who's giving him the players to choose from?
The scouting system post Ashworth is laughable. More than 12 weeks since we finished last season and our transfer activity consists of one average Championship player we've allegedly been chasing for 2 years.
Shocking to say the least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on August 26, 2016, 07:54:29 AM
Just can't see any top line player signing while he is in charge...Premiership games are transmitted all over the world and any agent worth his salt is going to realise that coming to us atm isn't going to further their players career..and add any value...it's a pretty depressing scenario ..im not one for ditching managers on a whim but in this case  I can only see one way ahead...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2016, 08:07:53 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on August 26, 2016, 07:31:15 AM
I will add that I think our current non transfer activity can't be  lain at Pulis's door.
At least part of the issue is down to him resisting foreign-based players. That's not to say we won't end up with some, but it may well be that the idea will only be entertained after all other avenues (and the fans!) have been exhausted. We're pretty much at that stage now it would appear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on August 26, 2016, 08:35:29 AM
Its so late in the day that the board probably think that they have no choice but to keep him now. When infact he should be let go today and the board crack on and get 4 or 5 players in the next 6 days that Hammond has identified.
The lack of transfer activity is down to Pulis. He is not listening to Hammonds recommendations because my guess is they are mostly foreign players with a good level of technical ability. Add to that the good players who have a choice of where they go don't want to play for him. You reap what you sow and we're being punished for the way he treats flair players.
As it stands We will most likely be one of the three that goes down and it will be his fault.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 26, 2016, 10:30:47 AM
Lets safely assume that we will once again get outplayed on Sunday as per 95% of games.

If we also lose and if theres no more transfers in by Monday morning, i'm wondering if he will walk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 26, 2016, 11:08:10 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on August 26, 2016, 10:30:47 AM
Lets safely assume that we will once again get outplayed on Sunday as per 95% of games.

If we also lose and if theres no more transfers in by Monday morning, i'm wondering if he will walk.

I'm fairly sure he gave not being backed in the transfer market as one of the reasons he left Palace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 26, 2016, 11:10:03 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on August 26, 2016, 11:08:10 AM
I'm fairly sure he gave not being backed in the transfer market as one of the reasons he left Palace.

He did indeed, and he had a pretty useful Palace side there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2016, 11:18:07 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on August 26, 2016, 10:30:47 AM
If we also lose and if theres no more transfers in by Monday morning, i'm wondering if he will walk.
It's believed by some that he can't afford to quit due to having the £3m court judgement against him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2016, 11:22:13 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2016, 11:18:07 AM
It's believed by some that he can't afford to quit due to having the £3m court judgement against him.

He's not short of a few pennies Imo. In reality he can't afford to walk because of the damage it will do to his reputation. He can't be seen to be unreliable and temperamental when he brings such a work ethic to the table. If he's a quitter why shouldn't his players be. Unfortunately for those who want Pulis out,  he's played that card for the one and only time he can afford to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 26, 2016, 11:24:14 AM
Its safe to say that he won't be going anywhere unless he is sacked, and can you really see that happening at the moment? I can't.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 26, 2016, 11:33:09 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on August 26, 2016, 11:24:14 AM
Its safe to say that he won't be going anywhere unless he is sacked, and can you really see that happening at the moment? I can't.......

Do you think we would struggle to get a manager of a top 10 standard?

Not because WBA is a bad club to manage at, but more because we don't appear to back our managers with tranfer funds?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 26, 2016, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on August 26, 2016, 11:33:09 AM
Do you think we would struggle to get a manager of a top 10 standard?

Not because WBA is a bad club to manage at, but more because we don't appear to back our managers with tranfer funds?

I don't think that we would struggle to get a good quality manager, it depends on who is out there. Do we go with an established name, or a lower league 'prospect'? However, its immaterial at present. My personal opinion is that a series of 'events' have to take place first before this is even on the table. Our success on the pitch, the confirmation of the takeover and that Mr Lai finally has total control, the 'business plan' that we are following and what is required to achieve whatever ambition Mr Lai and his consortium have..... to name a few.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 26, 2016, 03:12:18 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on August 26, 2016, 11:51:32 AM
I don't think that we would struggle to get a good quality manager, it depends on who is out there. Do we go with an established name, or a lower league 'prospect'? However, its immaterial at present. My personal opinion is that a series of 'events' have to take place first before this is even on the table. Our success on the pitch, the confirmation of the takeover and that Mr Lai finally has total control, the 'business plan' that we are following and what is required to achieve whatever ambition Mr Lai and his consortium have..... to name a few.

It all depends on what the chairman / owners want. Under the previous regime the chances of "appointing" a decent manager were slim (i used appointing not attracting). Peace wanted a continental model so some managers wouldn't come because we looked for the head coach route. They scrapped that with Pulis and have now appointed hammond. The other thing was we always seemed to go for mangers on the cheap (as in we wouldn't pay much compensation). Clarke, Irvine, Mel were all no.2's or out of work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 26, 2016, 04:14:01 PM
We still have a manager, no talk of replacements while we still do. As has always been the rule
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 26, 2016, 04:24:23 PM
Quote from: MarkW on August 26, 2016, 04:14:01 PM
We still have a manager, no talk of replacements while we still do. As has always been the rule

What if we deem Pulis to be a 'Head Coach'?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on August 26, 2016, 04:36:49 PM
Quote from: MarkW on August 26, 2016, 04:14:01 PM
We still have a manager, no talk of replacements while we still do. As has always been the rule
I understand that rule but ripping the one we've got to pieces I don't. especially as that's how we end up with a legitimate thread on who the next manger should be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2016, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: bry on August 26, 2016, 04:36:49 PM
I understand that rule but ripping the one we've got to pieces I don't. especially as that's how we end up with a legitimate thread on who the next manger should be.

When/ if Pulis leaves there will be a thread to discuss next manager/ Head Coach, until then there won't. We have never allowed it and so will not be starting now despite the moans it attracts from some.

As for ripping the one we have to pieces thats defined by how the thread goes as with others. Some posts which contain direct abuse are removed again as they have done with previous managers/ head coaches which we hope leaves posts containing constructive posts, unfortunately we gets criticised either way for either censorship or leaving stuff on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 26, 2016, 05:08:51 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2016, 04:40:08 PM
When/ if Pulis leaves there will be a thread to discuss next manager/ Head Coach, until then there won't. We have never allowed it and so will not be starting now despite the moans it attracts from some.

As for ripping the one we have to pieces thats defined by how the thread goes as with others. Some posts which contain direct abuse are removed again as they have done with previous managers/ head coaches which we hope leaves posts containing constructive posts, unfortunately we gets criticised either way for either censorship or leaving stuff on

In my defence, I asked if fellow fans thought we could attract as a club a top 10 manager? If, as, or when Tony  Pulis goes by hook or crook, I can't see how that can be considered inflamitary.

Unless you are the real 0.5% in the world of gaffers, I bet even then have had to use there socks once in a while when the shyte hit the fan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2016, 05:46:09 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on August 26, 2016, 05:08:51 PM
In my defence, I asked if fellow fans thought we could attract as a club a top 10 manager? If, as, or when Tony  Pulis goes by hook or crook, I can't see how that can be considered inflamitary.

Unless you are the real 0.5% in the world of gaffers, I bet even then have had to use there socks once in a while when the shyte hit the fan.

I haven't mentioned your post at all. If it was deemed abusive at all it would have gone but from what I can see its still there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 26, 2016, 05:48:09 PM
Again, to p1ss everybody off (which is not my intention at all); I will ask you this;

Is Tony Pulis a good manager?

My opinion is yes.

Is Tony Pulis a winning manager?

My opinion is No.

The same can be levelled at our major shareholer:

Is JP a good businessman?

Yes imo.

Had JP ever been interested in making WBA something where we the fans think they should be?

No imo.

The guy is hanging around like a smelly fart in a lift, fair play if the new fella was green behind the ears, but he aint.

It's not something I am saying just now, I believe from the pit of my stomach Peace has only been interested in Peace.

I have called WBA and written to them on maybe 15 occasions with no response.

If JP wants an open debate then I'm sure the majority of Albion would love that opportunity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 26, 2016, 06:45:27 PM
People say Pulis is not exciting and yet transfer deadline day will be pure entertainment  at the hawthorns....Takeaway, Beer, Jim White, Lukaku, Berahino, Pulis, car windows....can't wait ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on August 26, 2016, 07:07:25 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 26, 2016, 06:45:27 PM
People say Pulis is not exciting and yet transfer deadline day will be pure entertainment  at the hawthorns....Takeaway, Beer, Jim White, Lukaku, Berahino, Pulis, car windows....can't wait ;)

Every time we've left urgent business till deadline day we either don't get anyone at all (the Carlton Cole fiasco) or end up grossly over paying for someone worse than the guy we had originally (Anichebe after we released Fortune).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 26, 2016, 07:34:04 PM
Quote from: Dan on August 26, 2016, 07:07:25 PM
Every time we've left urgent business till deadline day we either don't get anyone at all (the Carlton Cole fiasco) or end up grossly over paying for someone worse than the guy we had originally (Anichebe after we released Fortune).

Its the hope that kills you, just trying to keep the spirits up :) Its when talk sport goes to Pat Murphy at 9pm and he says "everyone is leaving for the night a quiet deadline day at the hawthorns" ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 26, 2016, 09:38:15 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2016, 05:46:09 PM
I haven't mentioned your post at all. If it was deemed abusive at all it would have gone but from what I can see its still there.


No you just delete the ones refering to JP.

Let him take me to court, he's welcome to 100% of my fu*k all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2016, 09:47:10 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on August 26, 2016, 09:38:15 PM


No you just delete the ones refering to JP.

Let him take me to court, he's welcome to 100% of my fu*k all.

Not sure what the problem is to be honest. Just looked in the deleted post board and there is 3 posts from you which said

"yup"

"Somebody on here is an idiot. Full of wind and bullsh1t."

"You didn't let me finish my post!! I was going to say 'Enough about me'"


which were deleted for being pointless.

You might be perfectly happy to be threatened with court, thats up to you but as the person who runs this board with the rest of them on behalf of the forum owner then we want an easy life and anything we consider abusive, libelous, slanderous or totally pointless will be removed. If you or others are not happy with that then you have the choice of either abiding by our rules or not using the forum.

We also ask that people stop filling threads with moans and pm us to discuss anything they are unhappy with but as you have continued in the thread then I will respond in the thread on this occasion but anymore will be removed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 26, 2016, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2016, 09:47:10 PM
Not sure what the problem is to be honest. Just looked in the deleted post board and there is 3 posts from you which said

"yup"

"Somebody on here is an idiot. Full of wind and bullsh1t."

"You didn't let me finish my post!! I was going to say 'Enough about me'"


which were deleted for being pointless.

You might be perfectly happy to be threatened with court, thats up to you but as the person who runs this board with the rest of them on behalf of the forum owner then we want an easy life and anything we consider abusive, libelous, slanderous or totally pointless will be removed. If you or others are not happy with that then you have the choice of either abiding by our rules or not using the forum.

We also ask that people stop filling threads with moans and pm us to discuss anything they are unhappy with but as you have continued in the thread then I will respond in the thread on this occasion but anymore will be removed.

Fair enough;

Are those the only ones you've deleted?

I understand I have to abide by the forum rules, or not comment or contribute.

You have to understand I love my club, I really don't give a rubbish if I upset people or say things out of turn.

I'm Albion mate, what you see is what you get.

Ps, nice to know we have somebody to decide if our comments are wortless or pointless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 26, 2016, 10:09:22 PM
The thing that beats me is that I actually like TP. He came to us when we really needed him, saved us from certain relegation, and made us a very difficult to break down. I see him on the touchline getting animated, frustrated, excited and loud. I sit in the East stand and can hear him quite well. He is always encouraging his players to attack, to push, to cross, to 'ave a go', and in a newspaper article I read over the past couple of days he has clearly identified what we have all been talking about with regard to not having much up front, and strengthening the team.
For me he needs this transfer window and the season to show us what/where he is trying to get to. Hopefully we won't be going down and I know that at times some of the football won't be pretty, but we seem to be a 'work in progress'. 
He briefly showed what he can do with the Palace side a couple of seasons ago, but we also know what happened at Stoke etc
I was there for Woking, Twerton Park,Bobby Gould and all the other dark times then,and I don't want to go back. We are on a journey and we have a few people to thank for getting us to where we are today, JP being one of them. people come and people go, TP is with us now and doing a job, so give him some slack and back him.
Time will deal with everything - we are on a journey. Support your team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2016, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on August 26, 2016, 10:06:20 PM
Fair enough;

Are those the only ones you've deleted?

I understand I have to abide by the forum rules, or not comment or contribute.

You have to understand I love my club, I really don't give a rubbish if I upset people or say things out of turn.

I'm Albion mate, what you see is what you get.

Totally understand but as we run this on behalf of someone else we have to repect his wishes and he does not want the forum or any of its members having any issues which why we have to remove posts that we feel need removing.

As for posts being removed, we remove a lot each day and when the deleted posts reaches 200 posts I empty it, that usually once a week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on August 26, 2016, 10:13:45 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2016, 10:10:29 PM
Totally understand but as we run this on behalf of someone else we have to repect his wishes and he does not want the forum or any of its members having any issues which why we have to remove posts that we feel need removing.

As for posts being removed, we remove a lot each day and when the deleted posts reaches 200 posts I empty it, that usually once a week.

Ok mate, fair enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 26, 2016, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on August 26, 2016, 10:09:22 PM
The thing that beats me is that I actually like TP. He came to us when we really needed him, saved us from certain relegation, and made us a very difficult to break down. I see him on the touchline getting animated, frustrated, excited and loud. I sit in the East stand and can hear him quite well. He is always encouraging his players to attack, to push, to cross, to 'ave a go', and in a newspaper article I read over the past couple of days he has clearly identified what we have all been talking about with regard to not having much up front, and strengthening the team.
For me he needs this transfer window and the season to show us what/where he is trying to get to. Hopefully we won't be going down and I know that at times some of the football won't be pretty, but we seem to be a 'work in progress'. 
He briefly showed what he can do with the Palace side a couple of seasons ago, but we also know what happened at Stoke etc
I was there for Woking, Twerton Park,Bobby Gould and all the other dark times then,and I don't want to go back. We are on a journey and we have a few people to thank for getting us to where we are today, JP being one of them. people come and people go, TP is with us now and doing a job, so give him some slack and back him.
Time will deal with everything - we are on a journey. Support your team.
I like journeys, especially if its to somewhere exciting, sadly this journey under pulis is going nowhere. I don't just look back on the dark days because there's just as many bright ones to think about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on August 26, 2016, 10:27:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FNz1qRP9lM

Listening to his press conference I find it incredibly hard to disagree with anything that he is saying. He is right when he says we have bought players that were unable to retain any value and did not improve the squad. It was a quite brutal and accurate assessment. Our transfer dealings over the last few years have been dreadful and it has nearly cost us our premier league status. Our squad is too old - no one would disagree. There is an obvious lack of quality in certain areas - no one would disagree. The players Pulis has bought in are the right type of players for us, even if some haven't worked out. All relatively young, Fletcher aside, and with quality - Rondon, Evans, Phillips. Not like Gamboa, Pocognoli, Anichebe,Brown ect. If he wasn't such a loathed manager, with a reputation for dire football, we'd all be going mad at our lacklustre, embarrassing recruitment. If we aren't going to compete in this transfer market we might as well just resign ourselves to the inevitable; Pulis is the only thing preventing that conclusion currently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 26, 2016, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on August 26, 2016, 10:27:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FNz1qRP9lM

Listening to his press conference I find it incredibly hard to disagree with anything that he is saying. He is right when he says we have bought players that were unable to retain any value and did not improve the squad. It was a quite brutal and accurate assessment. Our transfer dealings over the last few years have been dreadful and it has nearly cost us our premier league status. Our squad is too old - no one would disagree. There is an obvious lack of quality in certain areas - no one would disagree. The players Pulis has bought in are the right type of players for us, even if some haven't worked out. All relatively young, Fletcher aside, and with quality - Rondon, Evans, Phillips. Not like Gamboa, Pocognoli, Anichebe,Brown ect. If he wasn't such a loathed manager, with a reputation for dire football, we'd all be going mad at our lacklustre, embarrassing recruitment. If we aren't going to compete in this transfer market we might as well just resign ourselves to the inevitable; Pulis is the only thing preventing that conclusion currently.
ricky lambert?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on August 26, 2016, 10:34:13 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 26, 2016, 10:31:41 PM
ricky lambert?

Touche.

We all make mistakes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 26, 2016, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on August 26, 2016, 10:09:22 PM
The thing that beats me is that I actually like TP. He came to us when we really needed him, saved us from certain relegation, and made us a very difficult to break down. I see him on the touchline getting animated, frustrated, excited and loud. I sit in the East stand and can hear him quite well. He is always encouraging his players to attack, to push, to cross, to 'ave a go', and in a newspaper article I read over the past couple of days he has clearly identified what we have all been talking about with regard to not having much up front, and strengthening the team.
For me he needs this transfer window and the season to show us what/where he is trying to get to. Hopefully we won't be going down and I know that at times some of the football won't be pretty, but we seem to be a 'work in progress'. 
He briefly showed what he can do with the Palace side a couple of seasons ago, but we also know what happened at Stoke etc
I was there for Woking, Twerton Park,Bobby Gould and all the other dark times then,and I don't want to go back. We are on a journey and we have a few people to thank for getting us to where we are today, JP being one of them. people come and people go, TP is with us now and doing a job, so give him some slack and back him.
Time will deal with everything - we are on a journey. Support your team.
Totally agree some folks would blame him for any or everything and if they stop and thinks its rubbish.Like the reason we didnt sign anyone is because noone wants to play for him.Was that the reason Sahko and Schlupp deal fell through?Or I woudnt trust him with another dime our two best players were signed by him Evans and Rondon no they rather highlight Mcmanaman and Lambert.20 mill of good investment verses 4.5 mill no comparison.If we win Sunday silence reign supreme if we lose this thread is on fire.The bias is unprecedented .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 27, 2016, 12:46:49 AM
Based on his press conference yesterday, did anyone detect the type (not position) of player he wants?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 27, 2016, 08:15:03 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on August 26, 2016, 10:09:22 PM
He briefly showed what he can do with the Palace side a couple of seasons ago
What did he show he can do with Palace? He was Palace manager for 8 months (one window) and he turned them into a great footballing team? Dream on.
He has been here for almost 21 months (four windows) and we are becoming more and more Stoke during the "pins in eyes seasons"  with little chance of moving on as he further embeds himself into the club. "He needs more time" "We can't do without him" "Who else would keep this squad up". He has led us to this position.  ;)
I support my team and we can do better than just exist.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 27, 2016, 08:35:15 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 27, 2016, 08:15:03 AM
What did he show he can do with Palace? He was Palace manager for 8 months (one window) and he turned them into a great footballing team? Dream on.
He has been here for almost 21 months (four windows) and we are becoming more and more Stoke during the "pins in eyes seasons"  with little chance of moving on as he further embeds himself into the club. "He needs more time" "We can't do without him" "Who else would keep this squad up". He has led us to this position.  ;)
I support my team and we can do better than just exist.
hate to say this but his stoke were like barca compared to the sh we had to put up with
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 27, 2016, 08:35:48 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 27, 2016, 08:15:03 AM
What did he show he can do with Palace? He was Palace manager for 8 months (one window) and he turned them into a great footballing team? Dream on.
He has been here for almost 21 months (four windows) and we are becoming more and more Stoke during the "pins in eyes seasons"  with little chance of moving on as he further embeds himself into the club. "He needs more time" "We can't do without him" "Who else would keep this squad up". He has led us to this position.  ;)
I support my team and we can do better than just exist.

No dreaming required.

Don't recall saying that he turned them into a great footballing team, but they were going down until he took over, and they tore us a new one twice in that season under his control. He also had the flair/pace players available [Bolasie etc] so they were good to watch. Won Premier manager of the Season award for his efforts and guided them to safety fairly comfortably. We all know what happened next

I bet you wouldn't mind signing Bolasie now would you? I know I wouldn't.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 27, 2016, 08:42:14 AM
Quote from: paulosull on August 27, 2016, 08:35:15 AM
hate to say this but his stoke were like barca compared to the sh we had to put up with

Paul, I agree with you but that is down to the quality of some of the players on the pitch. If we are going to progress we need better quality, and that requires investment, and that is not down to Pulis.

He must be frustrated at some of the players we have not been able to sign due to the fees involved, but as with all of us on this site, its not his money......he seemed fairly relaxed at the press conference yesterday so lets see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 27, 2016, 08:45:58 AM
Similar to Skyclad, i also really like Pulis.

I think what you see is what you get and i think he comes across as a good bloke.

On the football side i do find it frustrating, on one hand i love it when we have games like Palace away, and last season games away at Villa, Norwich, where the organisation is spot on, we defend well, never look in too much trouble and also play a bit and and look a threat, i like that side of what Pulis brings too us.

On the flip side, Everton last week was a good example of why drives me mad, first 15 mins we knocked it about and importantly looked positive, sure enough we score and things look good. However at the moment we then revert to defensive mode, Everton get 2 goals and then for the last 15 mins we start to play again. If we had lost 2-1 and had a go through the game fair enough, but afterwards you think 'what if' its not a one off either it happens a lot.

I know it can be called game management or whatever but i wish we would kill teams off, we have shown glimpses in Pulis's time that we can do that and we can play some good attacking football too, but i just think his default approach is cautious and defensive in most circumstances.

That said i think he is being held back on the transfer front, okay he has made some poor signings, but also some good ones, whether its him or someone else the squad obviously needs players so either give him the tools to do his job or get rid of him.

Maybe with the new personnel should they arrive then we will some a more positive approach, i really so and nothing would make me happier than us being a top 10 club in a few years time, youngsters in the team, playing positive but sensible football, us referring to Pulis as 'Sir Tony' and wearing baseball caps and white trainers for the end of season theme as a thanks to what a great job he is doing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on August 27, 2016, 08:50:43 AM
Sunday against Boro will be a watershed day.

The shrine has been silent but more anger is building each game and if we dont get the win I think this will be the day it turns vocal just my feeling.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 27, 2016, 09:09:20 AM
Palace weren't great to watch under Pulis it is a myth built on a couple of remarkable games but generally if you talk to Palace fans the template was the same there as it is here.

I was reliably informed that a winger like Phillips would transform us, based on the limited evidence to date that is not the case. Equally Pulis' supporters heap praise on him for the signing of Darren Fletcher but in the same sentence complain that the squad is aging and we need to sign a box to box midfielder both statements were true before we signed Fletcher and as such was Fletcher a really good signing? We have had the Chester fiasco no it didn't cost us anything but it sure as hell did nothing to bolster a squad which was in need of an overhaul.

Pulis might not have inherited a great position but simply dropping players he doesn't particularly rate and absolutely refusing to play them in almost any circumstances is a luxury a club with limited resources cannot afford and is crass man management. The bomb squad are sitting on their contracts well there is a surprise and it is very much part of our problem and Pulis is at least culpable to some degree.

Tactically well that's his own creation and my only disappointment is at the moment we haven't signed the players to bust the myth once and for all.   

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 27, 2016, 10:11:10 AM
He's in the press today saying that he doesn't feel that this group of players is his.
Well Tone who's is it.
4 transfer windows in and what have you actually changed.
4 transfer windows to get 2 half decent players (Evans and Rondon)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 27, 2016, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 27, 2016, 08:15:03 AM
What did he show he can do with Palace? He was Palace manager for 8 months (one window) and he turned them into a great footballing team? Dream on.
He has been here for almost 21 months (four windows) and we are becoming more and more Stoke during the "pins in eyes seasons"  with little chance of moving on as he further embeds himself into the club. "He needs more time" "We can't do without him" "Who else would keep this squad up". He has led us to this position.  ;)
I support my team and we can do better than just exist.

When he took over they had about 4 points going into November, it was a remarkable achievement topped off with manager of the year. Yes people over egg the style because of the last 10 minutes of the Liverpool game, but they were hopeless, absolutely down and out when he got there, worse even than we were under your mate Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on August 27, 2016, 11:46:57 AM
Quote
He's in the press today saying that he doesn't feel that this group of players is his.
Well Tone who's is it.
4 transfer windows in and what have you actually changed.
4 transfer windows to get 2 half decent players (Evans and Rondon)

People still clearly don't understand how our club is run.

There's one reason, and one reason only, why our squad is so thin on the ground.

And that reason is: Jeremy Peace.

We are still try to run an Premier Division club on a League One transfer budget.

We're putting in offers left, right and centre on players we know we're not going to get. Peace just goes through the motions of appearing to want to move the club forward whereas all he's really interested in is getting as much money out of the club as he can for himself.

We've put in an offer on Sissoko apparently. Newcastle value him at around £30m, my understanding is that our bid is less than half of that. It's a waste of their time and a waste of our time but it fools the fans into thinking that at least we are trying to bring in new faces.

And before people start saying that JP is no longer controlling the purse strings and that the 'club' is doing the deals now, just remember that JP is still the owner until the takeover is ratified by the FA. Since that's not likely to happen until October I'll be pleasantly surprised if any major deal is done now.

Pulls wanted Berahino out to finance the rebuilding of the squad last year but JP, as stubborn as ever, got himself involved in a p1ssing contest with Levy so it never happened. So now the likelihood is that Berahino will walk away at the end of this season for next to nothing and we will have wasted the best asset this club has had in many, many years.

TP is taking all the flak for this state of affairs and in my view that's a gross misreading of the situation. He was employed by JP because he offered the best means of keeping the club in the Premier League for the least possible outlay.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: newbaggie on August 27, 2016, 12:05:41 PM
If tp was sacked who would select the new manager,i assume it would be john Williams.Does anyone know whether his appointments at other clubs were any good?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 27, 2016, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: newbaggie on August 27, 2016, 12:05:41 PM
If tp was sacked who would select the new manager,i assume it would be john Williams.Does anyone know whether his appointments at other clubs were any good?
Nope there will be a vote on here and the protest voters will decree we get Graeme souness :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 27, 2016, 12:11:10 PM
But he is not likely to be sacked any time soon so its pointless talking about it.........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on August 27, 2016, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: Xpresso on August 27, 2016, 11:46:57 AM
People still clearly don't understand how our club is run.

There's one reason, and one reason only, why our squad is so thin on the ground.

And that reason is: Jeremy Peace.

We are still try to run an Premier Division club on a League One transfer budget.

We're putting in offers left, right and centre on players we know we're not going to get. Peace just goes through the motions of appearing to want to move the club forward whereas all he's really interested in is getting as much money out of the club as he can for himself.

We've put in an offer on Sissoko apparently. Newcastle value him at around £30m, my understanding is that our bid is less than half of that. It's a waste of their time and a waste of our time but it fools the fans into thinking that at least we are trying to bring in new faces.

And before people start saying that JP is no longer controlling the purse strings and that the 'club' is doing the deals now, just remember that JP is still the owner until the takeover is ratified by the FA. Since that's not likely to happen until October I'll be pleasantly surprised if any major deal is done now.

Pulls wanted Berahino out to finance the rebuilding of the squad last year but JP, as stubborn as ever, got himself involved in a p1ssing contest with Levy so it never happened. So now the likelihood is that Berahino will walk away at the end of this season for next to nothing and we will have wasted the best asset this club has had in many, many years.

TP is taking all the flak for this state of affairs and in my view that's a gross misreading of the situation. He was employed by JP because he offered the best means of keeping the club in the Premier League for the least possible outlay.

Some really good points not a Pulis fan but JP controls the purse strings. I liken the situation were are in to selling a house, why would the seller fix it up when he has a buyer and why would the buyer make repairs when it hasnt been signed off yet. Limbo.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on August 27, 2016, 12:20:42 PM
Quote from: Xpresso on August 27, 2016, 11:46:57 AM
People still clearly don't understand how our club is run.

There's one reason, and one reason only, why our squad is so thin on the ground.

And that reason is: Jeremy Peace.

We are still try to run an Premier Division club on a League One transfer budget.

We're putting in offers left, right and centre on players we know we're not going to get. Peace just goes through the motions of appearing to want to move the club forward whereas all he's really interested in is getting as much money out of the club as he can for himself.

We've put in an offer on Sissoko apparently. Newcastle value him at around £30m, my understanding is that our bid is less than half of that. It's a waste of their time and a waste of our time but it fools the fans into thinking that at least we are trying to bring in new faces.

And before people start saying that JP is no longer controlling the purse strings and that the 'club' is doing the deals now, just remember that JP is still the owner until the takeover is ratified by the FA. Since that's not likely to happen until October I'll be pleasantly surprised if any major deal is done now.

Pulls wanted Berahino out to finance the rebuilding of the squad last year but JP, as stubborn as ever, got himself involved in a p1ssing contest with Levy so it never happened. So now the likelihood is that Berahino will walk away at the end of this season for next to nothing and we will have wasted the best asset this club has had in many, many years.

TP is taking all the flak for this state of affairs and in my view that's a gross misreading of the situation. He was employed by JP because he offered the best means of keeping the club in the Premier League for the least possible outlay.

Xpresso I think you have got this pretty much spot on. TP has already started making excuses in the press which suggests he knows he is not going to get the 5 players he needs/wants. JP will have already ear marked budget allocation for this window months ago and doubt very much he will sanction £25m purchases.

The new owner Lai must be wondering what he has got involved in. The deal is probably unconditional on everything but formal approval by the EPL so he cant back out now!

The only thing that stops TP from walking is a massive salary and big fat bonus.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 27, 2016, 01:06:01 PM
I was told there is a clause in Pulis contract where if he walks away he has to pay a percentage of his previous bonuses back , however I don't know how true this is
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 27, 2016, 01:26:16 PM
Quote from: Xpresso on August 27, 2016, 11:46:57 AM
People still clearly don't understand how our club is run.

There's one reason, and one reason only, why our squad is so thin on the ground.

And that reason is: Jeremy Peace.

We are still try to run an Premier Division club on a League One transfer budget.

We're putting in offers left, right and centre on players we know we're not going to get. Peace just goes through the motions of appearing to want to move the club forward whereas all he's really interested in is getting as much money out of the club as he can for himself.

We've put in an offer on Sissoko apparently. Newcastle value him at around £30m, my understanding is that our bid is less than half of that. It's a waste of their time and a waste of our time but it fools the fans into thinking that at least we are trying to bring in new faces.

And before people start saying that JP is no longer controlling the purse strings and that the 'club' is doing the deals now, just remember that JP is still the owner until the takeover is ratified by the FA. Since that's not likely to happen until October I'll be pleasantly surprised if any major deal is done now.

Pulls wanted Berahino out to finance the rebuilding of the squad last year but JP, as stubborn as ever, got himself involved in a p1ssing contest with Levy so it never happened. So now the likelihood is that Berahino will walk away at the end of this season for next to nothing and we will have wasted the best asset this club has had in many, many years.

TP is taking all the flak for this state of affairs and in my view that's a gross misreading of the situation. He was employed by JP because he offered the best means of keeping the club in the Premier League for the least possible outlay.

Couldn't really disagree with much of this. I think it was Peace's rhetoric about "not getting into this situation again" that is particularly galling. After the failed transfer windows and appointments of Mel and Irvine that's what he kept saying. For a club that used to have a plan and vision (when ashworth was here) i think we seem to be making it up as we go along now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on August 27, 2016, 01:38:30 PM
Quote from: swad35 on August 27, 2016, 12:15:29 PM
Some really good points not a Pulis fan but JP controls the purse strings. I liken the situation were are in to selling a house, why would the seller fix it up when he has a buyer and why would the buyer make repairs when it hasnt been signed off yet. Limbo.....

Maybe the scenario you suggest in regards to buying a house is actually part of the problem with this takeover . How much property is owned by WBA holdings ? If the properties are being sold to Lai as part of the takeover it's very possible it is the legalities surrounding these that is causing the delay . I can't believe that the football club is valued so highly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 27, 2016, 01:38:57 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/five-new-players-still-wanted-11807325

Can't help but feel we have really let these players down.

Pocognoli could have been the guy, yes he made some mistakes but who hasn't in this team! Due to Pulis preference for four identikit giraffes at the back it was never likely to happen. This man is not the man to bring the club forward, we are getting dragged further into the mire that is his own stubbornness.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 27, 2016, 01:38:57 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/five-new-players-still-wanted-11807325

Can't help but feel we have really let these players down.

Pocognoli could have been the guy, yes he made some mistakes but who hasn't in this team! Due to Pulis preference for four identikit giraffes at the back it was never likely to happen. This man is not the man to bring the club forward, we are getting dragged further into the mire that is his own stubbornness.

I disagree mate. Pocognoli isn't good enough and neither is Gamboa. McManaman on the otherhand, I cannot understand why we don't use him while he is here when chasing games. He's shown that he has the skills to unlock defences. It seems crazy to not have him on the bench at least. He can be a match winner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 27, 2016, 01:42:57 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
I disagree mate. Pocognoli isn't good enough and neither is Gamboa. McManaman on the otherhand, I cannot understand why we don't use him while he is here when chasing games. He's shown that he has the skills to unlock defences. It seems crazy to not have him on the bench at least. He can be a match winner.

I agree about Mcmanaman but disagree about poco. Good crosser of the ball, moves play forward, decent tackler, if he had more then 1 game runs, who knows, he was one of the few bright moments in the Irvine darkness
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 27, 2016, 01:44:35 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
I disagree mate. Pocognoli isn't good enough and neither is Gamboa. McManaman on the otherhand, I cannot understand why we don't use him while he is here when chasing games. He's shown that he has the skills to unlock defences. It seems crazy to not have him on the bench at least. He can be a match winner.

I agree. I think Mcmanaman is a better player than Phillips. Perhaps he's not willing to track back enough. As you say more than good enough for a spot on the bench at the very least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on August 27, 2016, 01:49:55 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
I disagree mate. Pocognoli isn't good enough and neither is Gamboa. McManaman on the otherhand, I cannot understand why we don't use him while he is here when chasing games. He's shown that he has the skills to unlock defences. It seems crazy to not have him on the bench at least. He can be a match winner.
We must be fighting off the suitors with a stick? Or maybe we are one of those clubs who are asking too high a price for players?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2016, 01:50:05 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on August 27, 2016, 01:44:35 PM
I agree. I think Mcmanaman is a better player than Phillips. Perhaps he's not willing to track back enough. As you say more than good enough for a spot on the bench at the very least.

The thing is, we've got enough players who can track back, what we are lacking is players like McManaman who can make things happen going forward. I wouldn't suggest him starting everygame with the systems we employ but when we are chasing games like last week, surely he has to be a legitimate option??? (especially if we don't sign anybody else with similar abilities)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2016, 01:51:42 PM
Quote from: bry on August 27, 2016, 01:49:55 PM
We must be fighting off the suitors with a stick? Or maybe we are one of those clubs who are asking too high a price for players?

McManaman will go elsewhere as there is plenty of interested clubs. The other 2, I am afraid we are stuck with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on August 27, 2016, 01:53:36 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2016, 01:51:42 PM
McManaman will go elsewhere as there is plenty of interested clubs. The other 2, I am afraid we are stuck with.
Prem or Championship?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 27, 2016, 02:15:33 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on August 27, 2016, 12:46:49 AM
Based on his press conference yesterday, did anyone detect the type (not position) of player he wants?

Yes & he's correct. Pulis's game is a team game, It doesn't matter what position he fills, if you ain't a team player, you ain't coming & good on him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 27, 2016, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on August 27, 2016, 12:07:31 PM
Nope there will be a vote on here and the protest voters will decree we get Graeme souness :D

It's happened before this year  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 27, 2016, 02:23:11 PM
Quote from: Xpresso on August 27, 2016, 11:46:57 AM
People still clearly don't understand how our club is run.

There's one reason, and one reason only, why our squad is so thin on the ground.

And that reason is: Jeremy Peace.

We are still try to run an Premier Division club on a League One transfer budget.


We've put in an offer on Sissoko apparently. Newcastle value him at around £30m, my understanding is that our bid is less than half of that. It's a waste of their time and a waste of our time but it fools the fans into thinking that at least we are trying to bring in new faces.


Newcastle might value Sissoko at £30 million, we might think he's only worth £15 million, nothing wrong with that. If he's sold to another club for £17 million we want our ars*es kicking, but if Newcastle want to hold out for £30 million, they might have an unhappy player on Sept 1
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 27, 2016, 02:27:39 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 27, 2016, 02:15:33 PM
Yes & he's correct. Pulis's game is a team game, It doesn't matter what position he fills, if you ain't a team player, you ain't coming & good on him.

Pulis's game is turgid and awful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on August 27, 2016, 02:34:20 PM
http://tinyurl.com/z3qaeqa
now im not Saidos greatest admirer but pulis is talking out of his arris,Saido has been dire due to the fact of pulis' arrival at B71 and not playing him up top as he prefers muscle and height there.imo pulis is culpable to Saidos demise,a decent striker ruined by the current coach by playing him anywhere except his proper position
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 27, 2016, 02:42:04 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on August 27, 2016, 02:34:20 PM
http://tinyurl.com/z3qaeqa
now im not Saidos greatest admirer but pulis is talking out of his arris,Saido has been dire due to the fact of pulis' arrival at B71 and not playing him up top as he prefers muscle and height there.imo pulis is culpable to Saidos demise,a decent striker ruined by the current coach by playing him anywhere except his proper position

Yes another gemstone of guff from our leader
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on August 27, 2016, 02:43:16 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on August 27, 2016, 02:34:20 PM
http://tinyurl.com/z3qaeqa
now im not Saidos greatest admirer but pulis is talking out of his arris,Saido has been dire due to the fact of pulis' arrival at B71 and not playing him up top as he prefers muscle and height there.imo pulis is culpable to Saidos demise,a decent striker ruined by the current coach by playing him anywhere except his proper position

He does talk a lot of twaddle!. Last season he took Saido of against Palace and replaced him with Craig Gardner we went on to lose 2-0 and at the end of the game he claimed we had no attacking attempt ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 27, 2016, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on August 27, 2016, 02:34:20 PM
http://tinyurl.com/z3qaeqa
now im not Saidos greatest admirer but pulis is talking out of his arris,Saido has been dire due to the fact of pulis' arrival at B71 and not playing him up top as he prefers muscle and height there.imo pulis is culpable to Saidos demise,a decent striker ruined by the current coach by playing him anywhere except his proper position

Pretty good that except it's regurgitated 2015 news
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2016, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 27, 2016, 02:57:27 PM
Pretty good that except it's regurgitated 2015 news
Actually it isn't - Pulis has bizarrely repeated the same thing that he said at the same stage last year, despite it not working out as he claimed it would then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2016, 04:22:11 PM
Quote from: bry on August 27, 2016, 01:53:36 PM
Prem or Championship?

Both (Hull and Burnley interested in the Prem), but it doesn't really matter as long as they pay what we are asking. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 27, 2016, 04:55:51 PM
Do find it amusing that Palace were slagging is off for hiring Pulis and how much more progressive they were under Pardew ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 27, 2016, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2016, 03:01:50 PM
Actually it isn't - Pulis has bizarrely repeated the same thing that he said at the same stage last year, despite it not working out as he claimed it would then.

Not doubting you, but the talksport quote on here looked like a quote from Pulis last year, cobbled together with quotes from yesterdays press conference.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 27, 2016, 07:24:54 PM
I still cannot make my mind up whether Pulis wants rid of Saido or wants to keep him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 27, 2016, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 27, 2016, 07:24:54 PM
I still cannot make my mind up whether Pulis wants rid of Saido or wants to keep him.
Its called diplomacy/management.He is doing what he can to get the best out of him.Despite the outpourings we get on here. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2016, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 27, 2016, 06:49:30 PM
Not doubting you, but the talksport quote on here looked like a quote from Pulis last year, cobbled together with quotes from yesterdays press conference.
The one I saw was on Sky Sports - I linked to it in the Berahino thread. I can't imagine that Pulis would have referred last summer to the "fourth or fifth window" where there had been a will he or won't he leave situation going on with Berahino.

Still, the Birmingham Mail regurgitated John Williams' comments from the time of the takeover announcement and passed them off as new, so anything's possible. I certainly wouldn't trust anything that Talksport said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2016, 10:16:45 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on August 27, 2016, 07:35:22 PM
Its called diplomacy/management.He is doing what he can to get the best out of him.Despite the outpourings we get on here.
It worked really well last season, didn't it....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on August 27, 2016, 10:44:56 PM
http://tinyurl.com/hkwm2zs
says Gmac can play into his fortys  ??? :o hope hes right as we dont spend cash very freely
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 27, 2016, 11:15:11 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on August 27, 2016, 10:44:56 PM
http://tinyurl.com/hkwm2zs
says Gmac can play into his forties  ??? :o hope hes right as we don't spend cash very freely
Is that the 2040's?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on August 28, 2016, 08:32:22 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 27, 2016, 11:15:11 PM
Is that the 2040's?

NA, he would have lost to much pace by then. :o ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 28, 2016, 09:11:28 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 27, 2016, 07:24:54 PM
I still cannot make my mind up whether Pulis wants rid of Saido or wants to keep him.
It was reported last year that he told him he could go (good man management  ;))
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 28, 2016, 09:18:16 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 27, 2016, 10:50:55 AM
When he took over they had about 4 points going into November, it was a remarkable achievement topped off with manager of the year. Yes people over egg the style because of the last 10 minutes of the Liverpool game, but they were hopeless, absolutely down and out when he got there, worse even than we were under your mate Irvine.
Irvine has gone, you've got to let him go ;D This is a thread called Tony Pulis.

Over egg the style is an understatement. He tightened them up and would have continued tightening until they became like Stoke previously or us now. Cleverly they managed to get him to walk.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 28, 2016, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2016, 10:16:45 PM
It worked really well last season, didn't it....
Yes but if he bombed him out you would then get the "He hasn't had a chance" brigade wailing.
He has to try and get the best out of what he has.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on August 28, 2016, 03:36:00 PM
I think Pulis' management of Berahino has been awful actually.

I don't like the way Berahino has spit the dummy myself, and it is obvious some in the team also don't seem to like him, but I am very sure Berahino has a lot of talent and it is Pulis' job to get Berahino's mind on the game and away from the rubbish, even if he wanted to leave. Even if he had to mediate and get the club to make a commitment to sell Berahino this season if they got the best out of him last season. Whatever it takes, but putting him in the naughty spot didn't work and still doesn't work. Today is was farcical to call him over then sit him back down and Saido took it very badly.

Pulis knows how to get the best out of certain players, but I think he struggles a bit with how to get the best out of the new generation of entitled players.

In my mind, Pulis' approach has meant we have a disaffected player still on our list, we are still a striker short when we should have been using the money from Saido to bring on in early and he has also help feed the rubbish I heard from today's game.

If we got the best out of Berahino last season and he left this window, he would have left with a warm applause of appreciation, instead of boos ringing out throughout the ground. Pulis as the manager is responsible for not letting it get to here.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 28, 2016, 03:39:00 PM
1 win in 14 now then.... Guess we will still have people defending him though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 28, 2016, 03:44:23 PM
Quote from: mateinone on August 28, 2016, 03:36:00 PM
I think Pulis' management of Berahino has been awful actually.

I don't like the way Berahino has spit the dummy myself, and it is obvious some in the team also don't seem to like him, but I am very sure Berahino has a lot of talent and it is Pulis' job to get Berahino's mind on the game and away from the rubbish, even if he wanted to leave. Even if he had to mediate and get the club to make a commitment to sell Berahino this season if they got the best out of him last season. Whatever it takes, but putting him in the naughty spot didn't work and still doesn't work. Today is was farcical to call him over then sit him back down and Saido took it very badly.

Pulis knows how to get the best out of certain players, but I think he struggles a bit with how to get the best out of the new generation of entitled players.

In my mind, Pulis' approach has meant we have a disaffected player still on our list, we are still a striker short when we should have been using the money from Saido to bring on in early and he has also help feed the rubbish I heard from today's game.

If we got the best out of Berahino last season and he left this window, he would have left with a warm applause of appreciation, instead of boos ringing out throughout the ground. Pulis as the manager is responsible for not letting it get to here.
Sorry Berahino has a responsibility to do his job.He has been played, offered improved terms.
I really do not see what the club/management can do for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on August 28, 2016, 03:45:48 PM
We are a laughing stock. Pulis out.

http://www.joe.co.uk/sport/most-boring-match-ever/82410 (http://www.joe.co.uk/sport/most-boring-match-ever/82410)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 28, 2016, 03:55:34 PM
Since coming in, this are the stats Pulis has at home against newly promoted sides:

Hull - 3 points.
QPR - 0 points.
Bournemouth - 0 points.
Norwich - 0 points.
Watford - 0 points.
Boro - 1 point.

Throughout this run, we've scored 3 goals. There's clearly a pattern here, he doesn't know how to play as the clear favourite and struggles to break those teams down.
I thought Pulis genuinely tried a positive line-up today and made positive changes, trying to win the game but his overall philosophy was way too negative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 28, 2016, 03:57:46 PM
A positive lineup including 3 defensive midfielders and 1 striker
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on August 28, 2016, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on August 28, 2016, 03:44:23 PM
Sorry Berahino has a responsibility to do his job.He has been played, offered improved terms.
I really do not see what the club/management can do for him.

Yeap offered terms and made it clear he wants to leave the club, absolutely his choice

So then it is up to the club to sell him or get the best out of him until such time as they do sell him or his contract expires. In that Pulis as manager of the club has failed.

Perhaps Saido is a player that responds better to silk gloves than a hammer to his face. Whatever Pulis has tried hasn't worked. I haven't managed a club or any sporting organisation, but I have had up to 200 IT professionals working under me at any one time and understand the need when times are tough to work out what brings out the best in people. Be that people passed over for promotions, people who didn't get the yearly reviews they thought they deserved and the subsequent pay increases or people under constant stress about their job security in an industry that is constantly off-shoring to reduce costs...

The challenges are the same in IT as construction as Mining as Football in that the greatest challenge is to get the people working under you and the people under them to be able to put that out of their head and concentrate on what they can control. Pulis (and those under Pulis in regards to the managers etc) has failed to do this with Saido, he has other players that are 100% on the outer, but haven't moved on.. Pulis is responsible for controlling this situation (and that is not absolving Saido), Pulis had to find a way to repair the situation or convince the club to move forward and has failed.

I don't doubt Tony's ability to get a club to play solid tight football and grind out sets of results at all, this absolutely is proven, but I do doubt his ability to get the best out of disaffected players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 28, 2016, 05:26:12 PM
Quote from: mateinone on August 28, 2016, 04:00:13 PM
Yeap offered terms and made it clear he wants to leave the club, absolutely his choice

So then it is up to the club to sell him or get the best out of him until such time as they do sell him or his contract expires. In that Pulis as manager of the club has failed.

Perhaps Saido is a player that responds better to silk gloves than a hammer to his face. Whatever Pulis has tried hasn't worked. I haven't managed a club or any sporting organisation, but I have had up to 200 IT professionals working under me at any one time and understand the need when times are tough to work out what brings out the best in people. Be that people passed over for promotions, people who didn't get the yearly reviews they thought they deserved and the subsequent pay increases or people under constant stress about their job security in an industry that is constantly off-shoring to reduce costs...

The challenges are the same in IT as construction as Mining as Football in that the greatest challenge is to get the people working under you and the people under them to be able to put that out of their head and concentrate on what they can control. Pulis (and those under Pulis in regards to the managers etc) has failed to do this with Saido, he has other players that are 100% on the outer, but haven't moved on.. Pulis is responsible for controlling this situation (and that is not absolving Saido), Pulis had to find a way to repair the situation or convince the club to move forward and has failed.

I don't doubt Tony's ability to get a club to play solid tight football and grind out sets of results at all, this absolutely is proven, but I do doubt his ability to get the best out of disaffected players.
You don't have to lecture me in man management.And I will not put on here the levels I have succeeded at it.
But it works two ways.And sorry but Saido is failing.He is unprofessional.
Evans apparently has been linked to Arsenal.And if so would see that as a good "step up"in his career.
Look at the difference in attitude.
Sorry but Pulis has given him more than enough chances.
He has simply not been worth the bother.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on August 28, 2016, 05:37:13 PM
I know some people aren't great fans of stats but they paint a pretty bleak picture over the last few games (including the end of last season). 1 win in 14. In that time we've scored 6 and conceded 14. I'm sorry, that is a run of results that would have got any of our last few managers sacked and that is outside of other factors such as the dwindling attendances and increasing anger of the fans which could be heard throughout today's game. I don't understand how anyone can continue to support him with zero hints of any corners being turned. I hope he's not here too much longer; his entire reign has left a stain on our club that will take a hell of a long time to erase so the sooner we get started on that, the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: petjob on August 28, 2016, 05:47:03 PM
Worst game ever...and I have supported WBA for sixty years.
Tony Pulis will be gone once the transfer window closes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on August 28, 2016, 06:00:56 PM
Quote from: petjob on August 28, 2016, 05:47:03 PM
Worst game ever...and I have supported WBA for sixty years.
Tony Pulis will be gone once the transfer window closes.
I hope you are right my friend!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on August 28, 2016, 06:02:19 PM
Quote from: petjob on August 28, 2016, 05:47:03 PM
Worst game ever...and I have supported WBA for sixty years.
Tony Pulis will be gone once the transfer window closes.
With this squad the worst thing to happen would be to lose pulis im not his number 1 fan but would be suicide to get rid of him, he needs to see season out then for a new manager to come in at the end of May to have a full window. Get rid now we will be DOWN
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 28, 2016, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: kie the baggie on August 28, 2016, 06:02:19 PM
With this squad the worst thing to happen would be to lose pulis im not his number 1 fan but would be suicide to get rid of him, he needs to see season out then for a new manager to come in at the end of May to have a full window. Get rid now we will be DOWN

Why will we be down? The way were playing under Pulis we are lucky to get draws against average teams... we have as much chance going down under Pulis as we do any other manager ... only difference being that any other manager might actually get us playing football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on August 28, 2016, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: kie the baggie on August 28, 2016, 06:02:19 PM
With this squad the worst thing to happen would be to lose pulis im not his number 1 fan but would be suicide to get rid of him, he needs to see season out then for a new manager to come in at the end of May to have a full window. Get rid now we will be DOWN

You can't say "he's done such a bad job with player recruitment that he's the only one who can manage this team." That's Stockholm Syndrome! He's not the only person in charge of player recruitment but it's a huge part of responsibilities and he has the final sign off so he has to be judged on that area. I simply don't accept that it would be impossible to find another manager capable of staying in the league with these players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on August 28, 2016, 06:41:01 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 28, 2016, 06:10:18 PM
Why will we be down? The way were playing under Pulis we are lucky to get draws against average teams... we have as much chance going down under Pulis as we do any other manager ... only difference being that any other manager might actually get us playing football.
I watch these players and none have the abiltity to pass the football, who could get this set of players playing free flowing football please enlighten me. Someone could try but in my opinion we would 200% be down
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 28, 2016, 06:50:17 PM
A player from the academy had a 93% pass completion rate today (so I have read), how long will it take for Pulis to knock that out of him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on August 28, 2016, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: kie the baggie on August 28, 2016, 06:41:01 PM
I watch these players and none have the abiltity to pass the football, who could get this set of players playing free flowing football please enlighten me. Someone could try but in my opinion we would 200% be down

Agreed that our players aren't exactly Xavi and Iniesta but for me part of the problem is that we sit so deep that when players get the ball and look up there is no one in front of them, meaning they resort to long hoofs with low chances of coming off, hence the poor pass completion rates. The players might have more chance in a different system.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on August 28, 2016, 08:38:14 PM
So, Chadli seems likely, along with Camacho and Rodriguez and Slimani still not ruled out.

Quite a step up in playing capability and quality, but does anyone think TP will actually suddenly become a positive, expansive, attacking Coach? Because I don't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on August 28, 2016, 08:39:51 PM
Quote from: Chipperfan on August 28, 2016, 08:38:14 PM
So, Chadli seems likely, along with Camacho and Rodriguez and Slimani still not ruled out.

Quite a step up in playing capability and quality, but does anyone think TP will actually suddenly become a positive, expansive, attacking Coach? Because I don't.

We could sign messi and ronaldo and we would still be in the same position. Never going to change while that clown is in charge
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on August 28, 2016, 08:41:57 PM
Quote from: Chipperfan on August 28, 2016, 08:38:14 PM
So, Chadli seems likely, along with Camacho and Rodriguez and Slimani still not ruled out.

Quite a step up in playing capability and quality, but does anyone think TP will actually suddenly become a positive, expansive, attacking Coach? Because I don't.

I don't either and it's funny that all those players mentioned are over 6ft. However, I think with a serious injection of quality the football will improve especially if we get 2 quality midfielders which seems possible. Most importantly our results will improve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on August 28, 2016, 08:42:52 PM
Quote from: wbawill on August 28, 2016, 06:56:45 PM
Agreed that our players aren't exactly Xavi and Iniesta but for me part of the problem is that we sit so deep that when players get the ball and look up there is no one in front of them, meaning they resort to long hoofs with low chances of coming off, hence the poor pass completion rates. The players might have more chance in a different system.

If 20,000 odd Albion fans can see this why the hell cant he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on August 28, 2016, 08:48:01 PM
If we get better players it will hopefully mean we are just more clinical with our few chances. West Brom is never going to get the top attacking talent so we need to be more efficient with the chances.

It's possible to be a good team with a very defensive set up but needs some luck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 28, 2016, 08:51:28 PM
Quote from: petjob on August 28, 2016, 05:47:03 PM
Worst game ever...and I have supported WBA for sixty years.
Tony Pulis will be gone once the transfer window closes.

I hope you are right too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 28, 2016, 09:40:51 PM
Quote from: petjob on August 28, 2016, 05:47:03 PM
Worst game ever...and I have supported WBA for sixty years.
Tony Pulis will be gone once the transfer window closes.
I beg to differ and although you have seen 9 more years of Albion that I have, many times I have seen worse performances than todays even though it was poor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 28, 2016, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: Chipperfan on August 28, 2016, 08:38:14 PM
So, Chadli seems likely, along with Camacho and Rodriguez and Slimani still not ruled out.

Quite a step up in playing capability and quality, but does anyone think TP will actually suddenly become a positive, expansive, attacking Coach? Because I don't.

A leopard doesn't change his spots, Pulis proved today even when he tries to be more positive, he just doesn't know how to attack teams with real threat.
I believe he thinks adding quality will add the edge in games like today, and perhaps it will. For instance, perhaps with Chadli instead of Field, we'd have made more probing passes and snatched a cheap 1-0. That is the difference that a bit of quality can bring under Pulis.
However, it would be very naive to expect some kind of revolution, the basis of his play is defend and anything else is a bonus.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on August 28, 2016, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 28, 2016, 09:40:51 PM
I beg to differ and although you have seen 9 more years of Albion that I have, many times I have seen worse performances than todays even though it was poor.

As a Baggies supporter of a number of years, I remember numerous worse games! However, this one was embarrassing for the club as it was broadcast on Sky to the nation. The amount of stick that the both teams have received in the media and on social media since the end of the game for me is bringing the name of our club into disrepute. The Hawthorns being labelled Borethorns etc. The new owners surely will need to change this sooner rather than later - our brand of football is unmarketable. The Chinese ain't going to like it. I really think Pulis' days are numbered - he may survive the season and hopefully keep us in the division but that will be it for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 28, 2016, 10:47:26 PM
Quote from: Chipperfan on August 28, 2016, 08:38:14 PM
So, Chadli seems likely, along with Camacho and Rodriguez and Slimani still not ruled out.

Quite a step up in playing capability and quality, but does anyone think TP will actually suddenly become a positive, expansive, attacking Coach? Because I don't.
If several of these players we're going for do sign, the situation will become more interesting. Those who say "only Pulis can keep this squad of players up", a viewpoint I strongly disagree with, will have even less grounds for making that claim. It also would put the spotlight even more on Pulis - will he evolve his style of play to become more attacking or will he simply try to shoehorn the new players into making his tedious system work better than it does at present? History suggests the latter will happen, but it'll be interesting to see which way it actually goes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 28, 2016, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: petjob on August 28, 2016, 05:47:03 PM
Worst game ever...and I have supported WBA for sixty years.
Tony Pulis will be gone once the transfer window closes.
Like you over 60 years a supporter, difference being I have seen dozens of games worse than today. I think your memory has become selective ................but if it suits to hit Pulis with stick.........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on August 28, 2016, 11:11:40 PM
23 clean sheets since Pulis took over, 3rd best in the league
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 28, 2016, 11:14:23 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on August 28, 2016, 11:11:40 PM
23 clean sheets since Pulis took over, 3rd best in the league
Yes, but it's at the price of not attacking. Is that what you really want?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 28, 2016, 11:15:03 PM
Too many turgid preformamces under pulis its become the norm= bore opposition into submission hope they balls up so we can grind out undeserved 1 goal win.

Even with a few better central.midfielders the style isnt going to change as mentioned above leopards dont change their spots. Just need to.hope mr lai has been watching as is ready to find a profressive coach to build the wba brand in the far east
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on August 28, 2016, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on August 28, 2016, 11:14:23 PM
Yes, but it's at the price of not attacking. Is that what you really want?

I didn't say it was what I wanted... Just sharing a more positive stat from the Pulis era. We can't lose if we don't concede after all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 28, 2016, 11:34:20 PM
Quote from: kie the baggie on August 28, 2016, 06:41:01 PM
I watch these players and none have the abiltity to pass the football, who could get this set of players playing free flowing football please enlighten me. Someone could try but in my opinion we would 200% be down

Reports leaked out or comments made, whether true or not, have claimed that most of the training doesn't involve touching the ball so is it any wonder that these players can't pass the ball well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 28, 2016, 11:47:41 PM
Quote from: kie the baggie on August 28, 2016, 06:41:01 PM
I watch these players and none have the abiltity to pass the football, who could get this set of players playing free flowing football please enlighten me. Someone could try but in my opinion we would 200% be down

None of the players have the ability to pass a football - that I completely agree with what we are seeing...
That doesn't mean without pulis we are going to get 100% relegated.

We have an unbalanced squad atm and the attacking players we do have are being made to look terrible due to the way pulis sets the team up.

We know Saido can score goals he has proved it, we have seen flashes of what Rondon is capable of.... yet our answer to everything is hoof it up and hope for the best....

1) Saido is being played out of position and how do you expect a man of his size to win the ball in the air against 2 6ft odd defenders? Pretty much impossible.
2) Rondon is better at running onto balls and scoring.... yet he hardly gets any balls played through to him they always come over the top and when he does win it the rest of the team are watching as he tries to muscle off 3 defenders.

Set pieces is our only real hopes of scoring.... which is due to the way the team is set up.

A more balanced manager would atleast get the team set up a bit better for a start..

Excited for new signings but I just have a bad feeling about them being played out of position and not to their strengths with pulis in charge.

But to say we are only safe with pulis is a ridiculous statement to make because we are struggling against average teams 3 games into the season. We have as much chance getting relegated with pulis in charge as we do with anyone else in charge.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 28, 2016, 11:54:44 PM
West Bromwich Albion goalkeeper Ben Foster has told talkSPORT the clubs supporters must accept Tony Pulis will not change his tactics after a 0-0 draw with Middlesbrough.

The Baggies have a miserly defence under the Welshman but also find goals hard to come by in the Premier League, which frustrates their fans.

Foster understands their want for exciting football but believes Pulis is just doing his best as he attempts to keep them in the English top-flight.

He said: “You saw the way Leicester City played and it was fantastic for people to watch, the high tempo and the counter attacking football was absolutely brilliant and a lot of teams probably took note of that.

“The way we play is very different. We’ve got a manager who likes to play a certain way and that’s that. We’re not going to change overnight.

“Tony Pulis likes to keep it tight at the back and he doesn’t really like to counter attack. The fans will watch teams like Leicester and they want us to do that kind of thing but it’s not our game. It’s just not what we do.

“At the end of the season, as long as we’re in the Premier League, I think it’s the biggest thing [for the club] but you can understand, as football fan, you want to see good football. It’s really hard to juggle both of them.”


Read more at http://talksport.com/football/west-brom-fans-must-accept-tony-pulis-wont-change-his-style-and-risk-relegation-ben-foster#piTF3I8yF4hYITih.99

For those of you still hoping that something more attacking will evolve from primeval sludge that is Pulisball the bits in bold would suggest that it won't. I am delighted that we seem to be verge of signing some expensive players the last excuse will be gone and very shortly thereafter so will  Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on August 29, 2016, 12:16:24 AM
Why on earth should we accept it? The style of play and results currently aren't good enough, it's not up to the fans to just accept that! It's up to Pulis, his coaching staff and the players to improve it or leave the club so someone who is willing and able to improve it can do so. What a load of twaddle from Foster.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on August 29, 2016, 12:45:49 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 28, 2016, 11:54:44 PM
West Bromwich Albion goalkeeper Ben Foster has told talkSPORT the clubs supporters must accept Tony Pulis will not change his tactics after a 0-0 draw with Middlesbrough.

The Baggies have a miserly defence under the Welshman but also find goals hard to come by in the Premier League, which frustrates their fans.

Foster understands their want for exciting football but believes Pulis is just doing his best as he attempts to keep them in the English top-flight.

He said: “You saw the way Leicester City played and it was fantastic for people to watch, the high tempo and the counter attacking football was absolutely brilliant and a lot of teams probably took note of that.

“The way we play is very different. We’ve got a manager who likes to play a certain way and that’s that. We’re not going to change overnight.

“Tony Pulis likes to keep it tight at the back and he doesn’t really like to counter attack. The fans will watch teams like Leicester and they want us to do that kind of thing but it’s not our game. It’s just not what we do.

“At the end of the season, as long as we’re in the Premier League, I think it’s the biggest thing [for the club] but you can understand, as football fan, you want to see good football. It’s really hard to juggle both of them.”


Read more at http://talksport.com/football/west-brom-fans-must-accept-tony-pulis-wont-change-his-style-and-risk-relegation-ben-foster#piTF3I8yF4hYITih.99

For those of you still hoping that something more attacking will evolve from primeval sludge that is Pulisball the bits in bold would suggest that it won't. I am delighted that we seem to be verge of signing some expensive players the last excuse will be gone and very shortly thereafter so will Pulis.

Ha! That is one of my favourite descriptions of our style, or lack thereof.

Well, looks like I'll be staying away for even longer then. Never mind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 29, 2016, 12:48:37 AM
Quote from: wbawill on August 29, 2016, 12:16:24 AM
Why on earth should we accept it? The style of play and results currently aren't good enough, it's not up to the fans to just accept that! It's up to Pulis, his coaching staff and the players to improve it or leave the club so someone who is willing and able to improve it can do so. What a load of twaddle from Foster.
Thats not true either, Pulis' job is to manage the team, he has no reason to leave (would anyone really leave their job in that way?) and he has no reason to improve the way we play as he'll just point to last year and his overall record and say his way works.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2016, 07:35:57 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 28, 2016, 11:54:44 PM
(Foster) said: “You saw the way Leicester City played and it was fantastic for people to watch, the high tempo and the counter attacking football was absolutely brilliant and a lot of teams probably took note of that. The way we play is very different. We’ve got a manager who likes to play a certain way and that’s that. We’re not going to change overnight. Tony Pulis likes to keep it tight at the back and he doesn’t really like to counter attack. The fans will watch teams like Leicester and they want us to do that kind of thing but it’s not our game. It’s just not what we do.

At the end of the season, as long as we’re in the Premier League, I think it’s the biggest thing [for the club] but you can understand, as football fan, you want to see good football. It’s really hard to juggle both of them.”
Well those comments certainly lay bare Pulis's caveman tactics. If ever there was a statement of no hope, this was it. You almost get the sense that Foster would like us to play a more counter attacking style a la Leicester. Let's hope a translation of this interview wings its way onto Mr Lai's desk.

As far as "it’s really hard to juggle both of them", it's really not, as others have proven. This fear football has to end and, if Pulis won't end it himself, he has to go as soon as possible.

'Me thought I heard a voice cry “Sleep no more! Pulis doth murder sleep” — the innocent sleep, sleep that knits up the ravell'd sleave of care, the death of each day's life, sore labor's bath, balm of hurt minds, great nature's second course, chief nourisher in life's feast.' (with humble apologies to Shakespeare).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 29, 2016, 08:23:13 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 28, 2016, 11:54:44 PM
West Bromwich Albion goalkeeper Ben Foster has told talkSPORT the clubs supporters must accept Tony Pulis will not change his tactics after a 0-0 draw with Middlesbrough.

The Baggies have a miserly defence under the Welshman but also find goals hard to come by in the Premier League, which frustrates their fans.

Foster understands their want for exciting football but believes Pulis is just doing his best as he attempts to keep them in the English top-flight.

He said: “You saw the way Leicester City played and it was fantastic for people to watch, the high tempo and the counter attacking football was absolutely brilliant and a lot of teams probably took note of that.

“The way we play is very different. We’ve got a manager who likes to play a certain way and that’s that. We’re not going to change overnight.

“Tony Pulis likes to keep it tight at the back and he doesn’t really like to counter attack. The fans will watch teams like Leicester and they want us to do that kind of thing but it’s not our game. It’s just not what we do.

“At the end of the season, as long as we’re in the Premier League, I think it’s the biggest thing [for the club] but you can understand, as football fan, you want to see good football. It’s really hard to juggle both of them.”


Read more at http://talksport.com/football/west-brom-fans-must-accept-tony-pulis-wont-change-his-style-and-risk-relegation-ben-foster#piTF3I8yF4hYITih.99

For those of you still hoping that something more attacking will evolve from primeval sludge that is Pulisball the bits in bold would suggest that it won't. I am delighted that we seem to be verge of signing some expensive players the last excuse will be gone and very shortly thereafter so will  Pulis.
'Doesn't really like to counter attack' ...he did at Palace and it's about using the players at your disposal. I like Foster and he's a good keeper but he is someone I definitely cannot see moving into management after his career. I say this because of past interviews where he's admitted that he's not really a football fan and doesn't watch football on TV ....seems he's just a good keeper and it's his job which is fair enough. In Pulis' pre match interview yesterday he talked about McClean and Phillips keeping the width and getting up the pitch quickly but as it happened 'Boro didn't really commit much to attack so it was a total stalemate. Time will tell how we evolve after this window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2016, 08:37:01 AM
Quote from: Adder on August 29, 2016, 08:23:13 AM
'Doesn't really like to counter attack' ...he did at Palace and it's about using the players at your disposal.
I can't see how it's justified to point at a few months at Palace as an example of what Pulis does. What about the rest of his career at this level? He had plenty of time to evolve Stoke into be more counter-attacking, but he didn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 29, 2016, 08:41:25 AM
Is this the same "talksport" that said "what's the point in West Brom?" & isn't this old news as well? & who's anton stanley?

https://twitter.com/antonstanley (https://twitter.com/antonstanley)


Looks like a bit of a Spurs fan to me

Bullsh*t Incorporated
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 29, 2016, 09:23:18 AM
I am feeling much more positive with the potential signings of Chadli and the lad from Malaga. This means one of two things will happen;

- The style of play with improve, results will improve, everyone is happy.
- the style of play does not improve and Pulis proves that he will never change, and he will be out.

I would like to think the first scenario will happen, let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 29, 2016, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 29, 2016, 08:41:25 AM
Is this the same "talksport" that said "what's the point in West Brom?" & isn't this old news as well? & who's anton stanley?

https://twitter.com/antonstanley (https://twitter.com/antonstanley)


Looks like a bit of a Spurs fan to me

Bullsh*t Incorporated


Not one to defend talksport but there is a world of difference from a bit of shock jock talk show fish bait and something with direct quotes from a Senior Player. Yes context and timing are important we have neither but I wouldn't doubt that Foster said what he said. It merely confirms what everyone can see on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 29, 2016, 09:33:52 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 29, 2016, 08:41:25 AM
Is this the same "talksport" that said "what's the point in West Brom?" & isn't this old news as well? & who's anton stanley?

https://twitter.com/antonstanley (https://twitter.com/antonstanley)


Looks like a bit of a Spurs fan to me

Bullsh*t Incorporated

Not sure what you're getting at, I heard the quotes from Foster on TalkSport yesterday with my own ears. They would be in a lot of trouble for fabricating quotes!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on August 29, 2016, 09:50:28 AM
Yeah I heard it to, and he definitely said that our manager doesn't play counter attacking and sets up more defensively instead, and that we're not likely to change. He was hardly baited either, just asked whether he could understand the fans' frustration when they see teams like Leicester can doing so well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on August 29, 2016, 10:03:27 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/aug/28/west-brom-tony-pulis

An interesting article from the Guardian re our style or lack of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on August 29, 2016, 10:43:25 AM
Good article, thanks.

It's clear to me that Pulis is quite the master of defence but when it comes to attacking football..... Well..... I hope I'm wrong but I just can't see him even knowing what to do with these nearly signed new midfielders.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 29, 2016, 10:51:14 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on August 29, 2016, 09:50:28 AM
Yeah I heard it to, and he definitely said that our manager doesn't play counter attacking and sets up more defensively instead, and that we're not likely to change. He was hardly baited either, just asked whether he could understand the fans' frustration when they see teams like Leicester can doing so well.

Which really contradicts what he said when he first joined. He clearly identified our biggest weakness as not being very good at the 'turnover' - I heard him say that after a couple of games in charge more than once.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 29, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 29, 2016, 09:33:52 AM
Not sure what you're getting at, I heard the quotes from Foster on TalkSport yesterday with my own ears. They would be in a lot of trouble for fabricating quotes!

I've just listened to the podcast, this anton stanley, whoever he is, picked out word for word a 10 second piece of a podcast that lasted about 5 minutes, not very balanced is it?
Same as the " Guardian" article, it's a blog, written by the bloke who runs zonal marking, which is a one man band, none of the articles are really independent opinions.

Find me something that Pat Murphy or John Percy has written & I'm listening.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 29, 2016, 11:29:52 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 29, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
I've just listened to the podcast, this anton stanley, whoever he is, picked out word for word a 10 second piece of a podcast that lasted about 5 minutes, not very balanced is it?
Same as the " Guardian" article, it's a blog, written by the bloke who runs zonal marking, which is a one man band, none of the articles are really independent opinions.

Find me something that Pat Murphy or John Percy has written & I'm listening.

Believe me, I listened to the whole Foster interview, it's not like this was the only negative thing he said and everything else he said was glowing about Pulis' style of play. You are really clutching at straws here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 29, 2016, 11:47:09 AM
The style won't change with new signings.

Hopefully the quality will increase with the new signings however and we should see some better passing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 29, 2016, 11:58:01 AM
My own patience with Pulis is based on the games where we played better football last season (yes there were some). This usually coincided with us playing higher up the pitch and with Morrison and Sess being in the team (and Brunt at left back).
I'm hoping that with new players coming in who can improve us, we can get back to playing some better football in the majority of games.
I don't think it's quite as black and white as saying 'the style won't change'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 29, 2016, 01:27:43 PM
Quote from: Adder on August 29, 2016, 11:58:01 AM
My own patience with Pulis is based on the games where we played better football last season (yes there were some). This usually coincided with us playing higher up the pitch and with Morrison and Sess being in the team (and Brunt at left back).
I'm hoping that with new players coming in who can improve us, we can get back to playing some better football in the majority of games.
I don't think it's quite as black and white as saying 'the style won't change'.

I agree. With a better quality of player, our "style" should automatically improve. Our problem is, we haven't got the qulaity going forward, that's why we look horrendous at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 29, 2016, 02:32:16 PM
With all the improvements of players, will Pulis still be in a job, when he wont let them attack?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on August 29, 2016, 03:49:04 PM
If he keeps playing Rondon upfront by himself then forget about any improvement in style. Rondon is technically very poor, can't bring the midfield into the game and has zero vision. He can't link. But is strong at attacking crosses. No convincedance that the few times we looked alright last season like at home to Newcastle Rondon was out and Anichebe playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2016, 04:09:27 PM
How is he feeling now someone at the Albion has bought a flare footballer  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2016, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2016, 04:09:27 PM
How is he feeling now someone at the Albion has bought a flare footballer  :)
He should light up the pitch if nothing else then!  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 29, 2016, 04:41:18 PM
Buying better players (Chadli and hopefully Camacho) is a win, win. It leaves Pulis with less excuses and the owners will be expecting results. If we don't get them someone will inherit a better squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2016, 04:42:58 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 29, 2016, 04:41:18 PM
Buying better players (Chadli and hopefully Camacho) is a win, win. It leaves Pulis with less excuses and the owners will be expecting results. If we don't get them someone will inherit a better squad.


Good point, totally agree
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2016, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 29, 2016, 04:41:18 PM
Buying better players (Chadli and hopefully Camacho) is a win, win. It leaves Pulis with less excuses and the owners will be expecting results. If we don't get them someone will inherit a better squad.
Good post - spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
Think people are reading too much into it. The game plan as such won't change. Better players will mean more 1 nils than nil nils. More 2-1's than 1-1's. This will keep the majority off the teams back with only a vocal minority still complaining.

It then depends entirely how much we improved the results. A 55 point season for example I think would score Pulis a new deal irrespective of how it comes about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 29, 2016, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
Think people are reading too much into it. The game plan as such won't change. Better players will mean more 1 nils than nil nils. More 2-1's than 1-1's. This will keep the majority off the teams back with only a vocal minority still complaining.

It then depends entirely how much we improved the results. A 55 point season for example I think would score Pulis a new deal irrespective of how it comes about.

Agree Jacko, we've got the vision, now we need somebody with vision to see the vision.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2016, 04:56:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
Think people are reading too much into it. The game plan as such won't change. Better players will mean more 1 nils than nil nils. More 2-1's than 1-1's. This will keep the majority off the teams back with only a vocal minority still complaining.

It then depends entirely how much we improved the results. A 55 point season for example I think would score Pulis a new deal irrespective of how it comes about.

I'd settle for that - if we turned last season's 13 draws into 13 wins we'd have finished with 26 points more - 69 points and 4th place - Champions League!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 29, 2016, 04:57:38 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
Think people are reading too much into it. The game plan as such won't change. Better players will mean more 1 nils than nil nils. More 2-1's than 1-1's. This will keep the majority off the teams back with only a vocal minority still complaining.

It then depends entirely how much we improved the results. A 55 point season for example I think would score Pulis a new deal irrespective of how it comes about.

I would think 50 points will do for a new contract - something neither Pulis nor Albion have ever achieved in the PL era.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 29, 2016, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
Think people are reading too much into it. The game plan as such won't change. Better players will mean more 1 nils than nil nils. More 2-1's than 1-1's. This will keep the majority off the teams back with only a vocal minority still complaining.

It then depends entirely how much we improved the results. A 55 point season for example I think would score Pulis a new deal irrespective of how it comes about.

Fair point, i just think that now he has been backed in the transfer market there is less wiggle room for him. The challenge to actually win more games and play with some sense of adventure will be at the forefront more than it has been previously.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on August 29, 2016, 05:41:24 PM
If we finish around 10th I'll keep Tony around. Giving him money means he gets a fair shot to keep his job and we will know better if we need a new direction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 29, 2016, 06:49:30 PM
Personally I think his conservatism will do for him he will still be too quick to try to shut down a game for a point or defend a lead which will blow the 10 to 15 points required to get him into the 50 point range. Better players help but they aren't going to cure what can't be cured.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 29, 2016, 07:25:21 PM
At the end of the day Tony has played the football his squad was capable of. New additions should make the squad capable of more and now we can judge him properly on results achieved with a significantly better squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 29, 2016, 07:33:40 PM
Alright ill give him till christmas but if there isnt a marked improvement, and im not talking about us suddently playing like Bayern Munich. I mean some ambitous attacking play for roughly 50% of a game, where applicable.

Not too much to ask!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 29, 2016, 07:34:23 PM
I have slated him in the past for what he has done (or didn't do).
I shall now wait and hope that things will pan out for the best of our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on August 29, 2016, 08:03:14 PM
I think if he gets the players he is after this window, then 50 points should be a minimum expectation. As that means at no stage would we have been involved in a relegation battle.

Considering we were anywhere from about 5th - 8th in the betting to be relegated, completely avoiding that fight would be a really good start.

But he needs to get the players he is asking for to achieve.

IF he achieves 50+ points, then it should also need to come with a recognition that there needs to be more attractive football to help put more bums on seats and create more atmosphere and expectation at our home games.

Then... I would talk about a contract with him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 29, 2016, 08:08:39 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 29, 2016, 07:33:40 PM
Alright ill give him till christmas but if there isnt a marked improvement, and im not talking about us suddently playing like Bayern Munich. I mean some ambitous attacking play for roughly 50% of a game, where applicable.

Not too much to ask!

Are you Lai in disguise? What do you mean you'll give him until Christmas?  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pete on August 29, 2016, 08:19:05 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 29, 2016, 07:33:40 PM
Alright ill give him till christmas but if there isnt a marked improvement, and im not talking about us suddently playing like Bayern Munich. I mean some ambitous attacking play for roughly 50% of a game, where applicable.

Not too much to ask!
I thought we were the away side against Boro after the first 5 minutes and the last 5. I agree 100% we should at least go out to beat teams like this especially at home and with the team we have, negative tactics bring negative results!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on August 29, 2016, 08:58:16 PM
Reality check guys. Just because we've bought in a couple of players we're not likely to become Champions League contenders just yet awhile.

You don't build a team overnight and you don't change a team's gameplan and/or mentality overnight either.

We have the chance to push on now but when compared to most other top-half clubs we still have a lot of catching up to do. You can't make up for three disastrous windows in one fell swoop.

We still have a 36-year-old centre-half and a 33-year-old team captain. By the looks of it we're still saddled for another season with Berahino, who to me is more of a hindrance than a help these days, and we're still going to have to rely on such as Gardner and McLean to cover injuries and suspensions.

Let's not be like to knuckle-draggers in dingleland and get too carried away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 29, 2016, 09:23:28 PM
Quote from: Xpresso on August 29, 2016, 08:58:16 PM
Reality check guys. Just because we've bought in a couple of players we're not likely to become Champions League contenders just yet awhile.

You don't build a team overnight and you don't change a team's gameplan and/or mentality overnight either.

We have the chance to push on now but when compared to most other top-half clubs we still have a lot of catching up to do. You can't make up for three disastrous windows in one fell swoop.

We still have a 36-year-old centre-half and a 33-year-old team captain. By the looks of it we're still saddled for another season with Berahino, who to me is more of a hindrance than a help these days, and we're still going to have to rely on such as Gardner and McLean to cover injuries and suspensions.

Let's not be like to knuckle-draggers in dingleland and get too carried away.
I think that is a very good post mate.Long way to go yet.I think to get to say Everton's position is the next step as an example.I know about Leicester before anyone starts!  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2016, 09:41:11 PM
1 win in 13 :( makes up for it I suppose in clean sheets
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 30, 2016, 09:52:54 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2016, 09:41:11 PM
1 win in 13 :( makes up for it I suppose in clean sheets

Last season isn't relevant anymore. 4 points out of 3 games and in the top half of the Premier League. Hopefully with more quality additions like Chadli we will improve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 30, 2016, 10:03:13 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 30, 2016, 09:52:54 PM
Last season isn't relevant anymore. 4 points out of 3 games and in the top half of the Premier League. Hopefully with more quality additions like Chadli we will improve.

The last 10 matches of last season weren't relevant then never mind now the hard work had been done. We were safe. It's 1 win in 3.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 30, 2016, 10:10:02 PM
Wasn't a big fan of him being appointed in the first place, hated watching stoke with a passion... but i feel everyone deserves their chance.

He did what was asked of him and kept us up (although i do believe other managers could of possibly kept us up so its not like we only stayed up cause it was pulis).

Week after week of him being here ive grew to believe he's not the right person to take this club forward but he's got a great thing of when pressure is on... pulling 3 points out the bag to paper over all the cracks.

He's said himself constantly that he needs players, now with new owners and the players we are being linked with... if he does get 5 players like he says by the end of the season, i expect the football to change.. not drastically and not overnight but he has no excuse then.

But this really does have to be his last chance i believe, it looks like the clubs willing to back him financially with the players we are being linked with so he only has himself to blame if he don't make the most of the signings and get us playing football.

Edit: saying that, i would still like to see him replaced at the end of the season regardless of how we do this season... we need someone with a bit more passion instead of a guy that just plans on 'keeping us up'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 30, 2016, 10:12:05 PM
Hoping and praying he gets the players in tomorrow. If he does then no excuses this season, if not then we are in for a tough season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ripryan1971 on August 31, 2016, 08:03:30 AM
Lads Newcastle spent 75m last season and even Rafa couldn't keep them up at the end.

Adam when you say you do believe other managers  would of kept us up, that's just pure guess work mate, I'm not so confident they would of done that.

All this we want attacking football, doesn't mean we going to win anymore games than we would now. Palace have won 2/22 in 2016 I think, I'm sure Pardew likes to attack in games, but his record is shocking this year.

Listen too Ben Foster on talksport, Pulis isn't going to change the way he sets up his team. What I'm hoping is, when we win back possession, the quality we hopefully bring in today, will make a difference in the final 1/3 of the pitch
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 31, 2016, 08:14:19 AM
Quote from: ripryan1971 on August 31, 2016, 08:03:30 AM
Lads Newcastle spent 75m last season and even Rafa couldn't keep them up at the end.

Adam when you say you do believe other managers  would of kept us up, that's just pure guess work mate, I'm not so confident they would of done that.

All this we want attacking football, doesn't mean we going to win anymore games than we would now. Palace have won 2/22 in 2016 I think, I'm sure Pardew likes to attack in games, but his record is shocking this year.

Listen too Ben Foster on talksport, Pulis isn't going to change the way he sets up his team. What I'm hoping is, when we win back possession, the quality we hopefully bring in today, will make a difference in the final 1/3 of the pitch

Agree especially the bit in bold. I'd also like to see us play more on the front foot at home, like we have done against Everton and Middlesboro already but, for longer periods and more sustained.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on August 31, 2016, 08:20:00 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 30, 2016, 10:03:13 PM
The last 10 matches of last season weren't relevant then never mind now the hard work had been done. We were safe. It's 1 win in 3.

How come the last ten matches weren't relevant last year under Pulis but whenever Clarke is mentioned you point to the back end his first season even though the 'hard work had been done' then as well
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2016, 09:35:43 AM
Quote from: leeiswba on August 31, 2016, 08:20:00 AM
How come the last ten matches weren't relevant last year under Pulis but whenever Clarke is mentioned you point to the back end his first season even though the 'hard work had been done' then as well

4 wins in a calendar year is just a soundbite albeit a terrible one; he was sacked for dropping below 1 point per game over a sustained period of the next season. If we get to November and we're running at 0.9 points per game then it becomes an issue for Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 31, 2016, 09:49:17 AM
Quote from: ripryan1971 on August 31, 2016, 08:03:30 AM
Lads Newcastle spent 75m last season and even Rafa couldn't keep them up at the end.

Adam when you say you do believe other managers  would of kept us up, that's just pure guess work mate, I'm not so confident they would of done that.

All this we want attacking football, doesn't mean we going to win anymore games than we would now. Palace have won 2/22 in 2016 I think, I'm sure Pardew likes to attack in games, but his record is shocking this year.

Listen too Ben Foster on talksport, Pulis isn't going to change the way he sets up his team. What I'm hoping is, when we win back possession, the quality we hopefully bring in today, will make a difference in the final 1/3 of the pitch

Obviously it is guess work yes like almost everything in football, I don't see why people assume pulis guarantees safety and no other manager would. Just because he's never been relegated? ... I've never been hit by a bus but I definitely ain't pushing my luck it don't mean it can't happen  :-X

People are only desperate for attacking football because we are doing it the pulis way and we are shocking.... If we were to get some good results more often and able to actually compete against lower league teams in the cups then I think people would be slightly easier on him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on August 31, 2016, 11:25:45 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on August 31, 2016, 09:49:17 AM
Obviously it is guess work yes like almost everything in football, I don't see why people assume pulis guarantees safety and no other manager would. Just because he's never been relegated? ... I've never been hit by a bus but I definitely ain't pushing my luck it don't mean it can't happen  :-X


You can control whether or not you get hit by a bus. Avoid town centers and use pedestrian crossings and it will all be cool.

Instead imagine if your boss came up to you all at the start of August and said 3 people would be made redundant next May. You could all work your balls off, arrive early, work overtime, but eventually 3 of you will be gone for not hitting the targets. The boss thinks it's a good idea and decides to make another 3 people redundant the following May. Again you will have to work your balls off, arrive early, work overtime, but eventually another 3 will be gone... Imagine working for that company for 20 years and always avoiding the annual redundancies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 31, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on August 31, 2016, 11:25:45 AM
You can control whether or not you get hit by a bus. Avoid town centers and use pedestrian crossings and it will all be cool.

Instead imagine if your boss came up to you all at the start of August and said 3 people would be made redundant next May. You could all work your balls off, arrive early, work overtime, but eventually 3 of you will be gone for not hitting the targets. The boss thinks it's a good idea and decides to make another 3 people redundant the following May. Again you will have to work your balls off, arrive early, work overtime, but eventually another 3 will be gone... Imagine working for that company for 20 years and always avoiding the annual redundancies.

You would be firked, pretty much like our club is !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2016, 12:41:37 PM
Talksport are laughable, one minute be careful what you wish for blah blah the next west brom shouldnt be in the premier because they dont offer anything
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on August 31, 2016, 03:26:52 PM
IF we only sign players from England again and end up spending way more on Sissoko than Camacho for example then I seriously start to question TP.

It's not like his tried and trusted methods have ever produced incredible results. Never a top half finish in top league or more than 50 points.

It'd be like being a cleaner at a company (no disrespect to cleaners) and just settling never wanting to try anything to better yourself and just being happy in the safety net.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2016, 03:33:13 PM
Quote from: Webby on August 31, 2016, 03:26:52 PM
IF we only sign players from England again and end up spending way more on Sissoko than Camacho for example then I seriously start to question TP.

It's not like his tried and trusted methods have ever produced incredible results. Never a top half finish in top league or more than 50 points.

It'd be like being a cleaner at a company (no disrespect to cleaners) and just settling never wanting to try anything to better yourself and just being happy in the safety net.

Not sure Pulis is solely to blame for this "regular West Bromwich Albion transfer window", others need questions to be aimed at them IF we fail to bring in quality in this window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 31, 2016, 03:41:50 PM
Quote from: Webby on August 31, 2016, 03:26:52 PM
IF we only sign players from England again and end up spending way more on Sissoko than Camacho for example then I seriously start to question TP.

It's not like his tried and trusted methods have ever produced incredible results. Never a top half finish in top league or more than 50 points.

It'd be like being a cleaner at a company (no disrespect to cleaners) and just settling never wanting to try anything to better yourself and just being happy in the safety net.

I'd be far more inclined to question Nick Hammond and Richard Garlick over transfer dealings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on August 31, 2016, 03:44:35 PM
Didn't we used to sign players from abroad occasionally? Mulumbu, Gera, Koren etc?

I thought Pulis was more involved in transfers now? I don't know much to be fair, following football less and less these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2016, 03:49:00 PM
Quote from: Webby on August 31, 2016, 03:44:35 PM
Didn't we used to sign players from abroad occasionally? Mulumbu, Gera, Koren etc?

I thought Pulis was more involved in transfers now? I don't know much to be fair, following football less and less these days.

More involved yes but actual deals are done above him which is where we constantly seem to have issues, the names change, the problems remain
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 31, 2016, 03:50:37 PM
Quote from: Webby on August 31, 2016, 03:44:35 PM
Didn't we used to sign players from abroad occasionally? Mulumbu, Gera, Koren etc?

I thought Pulis was more involved in transfers now? I don't know much to be fair, following football less and less these days.

As far as I am aware TP has more of a say in regard to targets, but he has absolutely nothing to do with contract negotiations whatsoever. On the surface of it I am of the opinion we're currently struggling more with contract negotiations than we are with identifying targets.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on August 31, 2016, 04:03:18 PM
Got ya. He won't be a happy man then!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 05:38:31 PM
We are going to need Pulis more than ever if the situation stays the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 05:53:20 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on August 31, 2016, 03:50:37 PM
As far as I am aware TP has more of a say in regard to targets, but he has absolutely nothing to do with contract negotiations whatsoever. On the surface of it I am of the opinion we're currently struggling more with contract negotiations than we are with identifying targets.

Don't agree, I think Pulis is leading this, & playing a brinkmanship game. It's either going to be a big time gain or a big time flop, but he's playing a poker game at the moment,with all or nothing at stake.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 31, 2016, 05:54:51 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 05:53:20 PM
Don't agree, I think Pulis is leading this, & playing a brinkmanship game. It's either going to be a big time gain or a big time flop, but he's playing a poker game at the moment,with all or nothing at stake.

Pulis has stated on more than one occasion that he has nothing to do with contractual negotiations.

It's the job of Hammond and co.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 06:38:17 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on August 31, 2016, 05:54:51 PM
Pulis has stated on more than one occasion that he has nothing to do with contractual negotiations.

It's the job of Hammond and co.

Not saying he does, just saying he's waiting to pull the trigger. I'd imagine all the negotiations are done in principle. He's playing a game of poker & waiting until the very last minute.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 31, 2016, 06:42:14 PM
This must be the most elaborate plan ever to force Pulis to resign ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 31, 2016, 07:10:31 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 05:53:20 PM
Don't agree, I think Pulis is leading this, & playing a brinkmanship game. It's either going to be a big time gain or a big time flop, but he's playing a poker game at the moment,with all or nothing at stake.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.  It's more likely that we just aren't meeting the requirements needed to sign these players.  Way more likely than some kind of elaborate ruse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on August 31, 2016, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: addy on August 31, 2016, 05:38:31 PM
We are going to need Pulis more than ever if the situation stays the same.

I think you are right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2016, 07:22:14 PM
for me he gets his contract period and thats it, if hes still here this time next year surely season ticket sales will drop
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 07:32:37 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on August 31, 2016, 07:10:31 PM
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.  It's more likely that we just aren't meeting the requirements needed to sign these players.  Way more likely than some kind of elaborate ruse.

Let me explain, I think he's after Carvalho, with Camacho being the safety net. There will be a time when he either gets Carvalho or he defaults to Camacho, only offering £15 million for Camacho buys some time to wait for Carvalho. I suspect we'll find out the outcome within the next hour.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on August 31, 2016, 07:36:32 PM
I worry that Puils has sanctioned the likes of today's signings if no major signings come through the door in the nest few hours. Nothing done today will help his plea to improve the first team and, from a fans point of view, absolutely nothing will improve us going forward.

If we are left with just Chadli as an offensive first teamer then you even worry if Puils will play him or give him a free'ish attacking role ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2016, 09:30:35 PM
been seen close to his home in Bournemouth today according, most likely never even bothered going to the training ground
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 31, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
I honestly think he might walk tomorrow.

Shambolic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 31, 2016, 09:34:46 PM
The worst part is that Pulis consistenly said we need attacking players to improve the group and we got chadli... The whole thing is a farce...We have a chairman who won't sack the manager and a manager who won't resign. How wonderful  :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dangerman on August 31, 2016, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on August 31, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
I honestly think he might walk tomorrow.

Shambolic.

If he does it'll end in relegation. I hate to say it, he's the only bloke that could keep this squad up!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 31, 2016, 09:36:41 PM
Quote from: dangerman on August 31, 2016, 09:34:54 PM
If he does it'll end in relegation. I hate to say it, he's the only bloke that could keep this squad up!

Even then I'd still rather he go. What's the point in staying up if we have to watch his football, which, with the other clubs improving at a greater rate than us, will become even more cynical and negative. No, I'd rather go down at the expense of having a manager with even a vaguely more positive approach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 31, 2016, 09:37:57 PM
If he does we are then left with a squad that no decent manager would want to inherit. After 7 years in the prem all of the promoted teams have shown more ambition :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies on August 31, 2016, 09:41:41 PM
Tony Pulis has more say on transfers than most of our managers in the last 6 years so he has to take a large part of the blame. That said, we simply have no choice no but to keep him now until the end of this season.

Our squad is possibly worse off than it was last season, and so getting rid of a manger who is able to scrape out survival season after season would be madness. If our form drops too far then of course he needs to go but he may well keep us ticking over to survival. It will be horrible, the football will be unwatcahble, the fans will leave in their droves and the feeling at it will not be progressive but I think as a club we have to just suck it up and accept it now.

Tony Pulis is punishment for the poor way the club was run in the final years of Peace rain. Hopefully next summer Gouchan Lei can show the presence of mind that Southampton and Stoke have shown in recent years and move on a manager who could not take us forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on August 31, 2016, 09:42:20 PM
Quote from: frazzle on August 31, 2016, 09:36:41 PM
Even then I'd still rather he go. What's the point in staying up if we have to watch his football, which, with the other clubs improving at a greater rate than us, will become even more cynical and negative. No, I'd rather go down at the expense of having a manager with even a vaguely more positive approach.

After tonight, most of the hope of things changing have all but gone and WHAT IS THE POINT if the negative home not lose mentality continues with an half empty stadium and zero enthusiasm.

So annoyed we have been led down the garden path that quality would come in and things COULD CHANGE.

Maybe Tone will walk now the management have failed to invest ?
Trouble is, who would come in and galvanise our defensive robots ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on August 31, 2016, 09:43:55 PM
Matt Wilson ‏@mattwilson_star  5m5 minutes ago
Understand Pulis had a change of heart over Camacho. £15m deal had been agreed #wba

There we go then, everything that is wrong with this dinosaur of a manager. Yet he's perfectly happy giving the go ahead for Robson-Kanu.

Pulis out, genuinely couldn't care less if we're relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 31, 2016, 09:44:05 PM
Odds are shortening on Pulis being the next PL Manager to leave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on August 31, 2016, 09:44:47 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on August 31, 2016, 09:42:20 PM
After tonight, most of the hope of things changing have all but gone and WHAT IS THE POINT if the negative home not lose mentality continues with an half empty stadium and zero enthusiasm.

So annoyed we have been led down the garden path that quality would come in and things COULD CHANGE.

Maybe Tone will walk now the management have failed to invest ?
Trouble is, who would come in and galvanise our defensive robots ?

Well if he knocked back Camacho as is being reported then he is entirely to blame for us not signing a player with the potential to massively improve the central area of our team
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: matt_wba912 on August 31, 2016, 09:46:10 PM
Quote from: dangerman on August 31, 2016, 09:34:54 PM
If he does it'll end in relegation. I hate to say it, he's the only bloke that could keep this squad up!

I do not believe Pullis is getting the most out of this squad

At its best a spine of Foster / Evans & Maculey / Fletcher & Yacob / Rondon & Saido is capable of so much more than scrappy 0-0/1-0's.  I don't believe we're seeing anything like their best

The concern would be that without pullis we return to the experiment of which long term assistant coach fancies trying their hand as manager next

Pullis should and in my view must get more out of this squad than he currently is
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 31, 2016, 09:46:45 PM
if pulis didn't want camacho then its his own fault. If we are bidding for players and getting them only for pulis to turn it down then what can the scouting team do? I used to think that Pulis only wants domestic players was a smokescreen but having looked at our dealings it seems to ring true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on August 31, 2016, 09:47:02 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on August 31, 2016, 09:42:20 PM
After tonight, most of the hope of things changing have all but gone and WHAT IS THE POINT if the negative home not lose mentality continues with an half empty stadium and zero enthusiasm.

So annoyed we have been led down the garden path that quality would come in and things COULD CHANGE.

Maybe Tone will walk now the management have failed to invest ?
Trouble is, who would come in and galvanise our defensive robots ?
Roy Hodgson
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on August 31, 2016, 09:47:32 PM
Cannot believe Pullis would pull the plug on a player he wants. If he said no then he wasn't wanted in the first place, I would say the players Pullis wanted we have not got. The club has not backed him and I expect him to walk now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on August 31, 2016, 09:47:51 PM
A large part of our transfer problems are probably down to him. He only shops in the domestic market and only goes for players familiar to him, and that's become harder and harder to do. Clubs just simply don't have to sell players they don't want to in England anymore, hence the ridiculous bids that need to be made.

If you cut off everyone from abroad, a club like ours will always be severely limited. The modern transfer market left the likes of Pulis behind years ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 31, 2016, 09:48:48 PM
Quote from: Dan on August 31, 2016, 09:47:51 PM
A large part of our transfer problems are probably down to him. He only shops in the domestic market and only goes for players familiar to him, and that's become harder and harder to do. Clubs just simply don't have to sell players they don't want to in England anymore, hence the ridiculous bids that need to be made.

If you cut off everyone from abroad, a club like ours will always be severely limited. The modern transfer market left the likes of Pulis behind years ago.

So did football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 09:50:07 PM
Quote from: Baggies on August 31, 2016, 09:41:41 PM
Tony Pulis has more say on transfers than most of our managers in the last 6 years so he has to take a large part of the blame. That said, we simply have no choice no but to keep him now until the end of this season.

Our squad is possibly worse off than it was last season, and so getting rid of a manger who is able to scrape out survival season after season would be madness. If our form drops too far then of course he needs to go but he may well keep us ticking over to survival. It will be horrible, the football will be unwatcahble, the fans will leave in their droves and the feeling at it will not be progressive but I think as a club we have to just suck it up and accept it now.

Tony Pulis is punishment for the poor way the club was run in the final years of Peace rain. Hopefully next summer Gouchan Lei can show the presence of mind that Southampton and Stoke have shown in recent years and move on a manager who could not take us forward.

Don't need to wait for the summer, if Lai takes over in October, we can bring in additions in January. TBH if it's true that Pulis pulled the plug, then he has been controlling what's going on & he's only got himself to blame. Under JP, we couldn't attract Managers like LVG & AVB, but under Lai we might.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 09:51:01 PM
It won't last now, tonight would have been final straw for both sides. I imagine he will be gone before January or even sooner, ready for his next club to try and save.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 31, 2016, 09:51:26 PM
How on earth does Pulis not realise we're agreeing a deal with Malaga? Why not intervene sooner - did he actually expect Slimani and Carvalho? I would have thought we're reaching the point where his position has become untenable? For both sides. Hammond is looking for talent and value abroad Pulis only wants UK based experienced players. What a mess we have got into.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on August 31, 2016, 09:53:24 PM
He must go. I know other people have a say in transfers at the club but he has been granted the most control over transfers of any of our recent head coaches so he must take the blame. He pulled the plug on good players for seemingly no reason other than the fact they've only played abroad and his style of "football" has pushed away many other prospects. For those that disagree with that point, do you think Jack Wilshere turned us down for Bournemouth for financial reasons? I want this dinosaur as far from the club as possible, I cannot stand to see his rubbish any more. **** off, Tony, you're not wanted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on August 31, 2016, 09:54:40 PM
If I was a talented young footballer I wouldn't want to play for Pulis. He is Mr Negative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on August 31, 2016, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: kirk on August 31, 2016, 09:47:32 PM
Cannot believe Pullis would pull the plug on a player he wants. If he said no then he wasn't wanted in the first place, I would say the players Pullis wanted we have not got. The club has not backed him and I expect him to walk now.
Good
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: kirk on August 31, 2016, 09:47:32 PM
Cannot believe Pullis would pull the plug on a player he wants. If he said no then he wasn't wanted in the first place, I would say the players Pullis wanted we have not got. The club has not backed him and I expect him to walk now.

I believe he went sh*t or bust for Carvahlo, when that failed, he pulled the plug, if it had come off he would have been a hero.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on August 31, 2016, 09:57:38 PM
Matt Wilson ‏@mattwilson_star  5m5 minutes ago
Understand Pulis had a change of heart over Camacho. £15m deal had been agreed #wba

This is the final straw for me.

Tony Pulis is directly sabotaging our long-term prospects as a football club. Camacho would likely have been our best player in terms of quality, and Pulis cancelled the deal. Probably only because he doesn't have Premier League experience.

I'm probably the most furious I've ever been with the club and I won't be attending another game until Pulis has gone.

Surely even supporters of Pulis up until now will change their view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 31, 2016, 09:59:54 PM
I think it's time to persevere with the asshole football killer Pulis. He'll rinse this squad dry and get everything out of them and we can say goodbye next May. If he pulled the plug on the deal for a cultured CM that we really needed then you've got to wonder why. Problem is, who takes over? We have to just use him till next May like he's using us.

Does anybody think that Pulis is potentially butting heads wiith Hammond on deals due to different beliefs?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on August 31, 2016, 10:02:05 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 09:54:55 PM
I believe he went sh*t or bust for Carvahlo, when that failed, he pulled the plug, if it had come off he would have been a hero.

Why would he pull the plug on Camacho because we couldn't afford Carvalho? Sorry, I don't understand you here. Once it became apparent that Carvalho was a no go we should have ramped up the efforts on Camacho!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 31, 2016, 10:02:37 PM
Quote from: lewisant on August 31, 2016, 09:59:54 PM
I think it's time to persevere with the asshole football killer Pulis. He'll rinse this squad dry and get everything out of them and we can say goodbye next May. If he pulled the plug on the deal for a cultured CM that we really needed then you've got to wonder why. Problem is, who takes over? We have to just use him till next May like he's using us.

Does anybody think that Pulis is potentially butting heads wiith Hammond on deals due to different beliefs?

I think that's exactly what's happened. Hammond has looked for quality home and abroad and Pulis wanted to stick with the tried and trusted. He needs to go. We need something fresh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on August 31, 2016, 10:04:18 PM
I'm in the camp that thinks Pulis might walk.

If he thinks he is in danger of relegation surely he will? He ha no reason to stay- the fans hate him and the playing squad still looks threadbare on quality.

The only thing saving him is if he honestly thinks that these players today are the quality required, which even by his dinosaur standards, would be bizarre.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 31, 2016, 10:04:36 PM
Why has no-one mentioned we now have 2 proper full backs....Happy Days!!!!

Sorry too soon? :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saltnshake on August 31, 2016, 10:04:46 PM
You have to hand it to the club, they don't buy  the players he wants so they leak the fact  that it was Pulis who pulled the plug on the Comacho deal and all of a sudden instead of them getting the blame for not spending the money all the pressure goes back on Pulis this has all the hallmarks of a bit of JP spin.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on August 31, 2016, 10:05:06 PM
Like many have already mentioned the greatest irony is only Pulis video could keep this shower up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on August 31, 2016, 10:05:14 PM
I don't care if we don't have better options, I want him gone.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 10:06:03 PM
Quote from: wbawill on August 31, 2016, 10:02:05 PM
Why would he pull the plug on Camacho because we couldn't afford Carvalho? Sorry, I don't understand you here. Once it became apparent that Carvalho was a no go we should have ramped up the efforts on Camacho!

According to reports Pulis pulled the plug on Camacho.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on August 31, 2016, 10:10:49 PM
This window proves that Pulis really doesn't have any of the power that he suggests he has when it comes to the final call on signings etc. He's become a bit of a 'yes-man'. "Yes Sir, I'll take your 2nd rate players and struggle to survival in this league".

I don't trust this man any longer. It's over. He's fed us untruths. And I quite liked a few things about him before. Has he lost his bottle?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 10:13:56 PM
Quote from: saltnshake on August 31, 2016, 10:04:46 PM
You have to hand it to the club, they don't buy  the players he wants so they leak the fact  that it was Pulis who pulled the plug on the Comacho deal and all of a sudden instead of them getting the blame for not spending the money all the pressure goes back on Pulis this has all the hallmarks of a bit of JP spin.

Sorry, don't get that. There was money available to buy players, a key player in the plan was Camacho. Pulis pulled the plug, how is that anybody else's fault? Where was plan c for a striker if Jay Rodrigues & Ulloa failed. Pulis's ego got in the way today in my opinion. As a coach, I've backed him all the way, but today, his ego came to the surface.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 31, 2016, 10:19:28 PM
Its Pulis's fault, It's Pulis's fault, sack him, feck him off, lets go down, dinosoar killing the club. What a load of rollox.
Of course all of our transfer windows pre-Pulis went swimmingly didn't they.
He will walk tomorrow, and some of you will be deliriously happy, sad, bitter people .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 31, 2016, 10:20:32 PM
Perhaps his plan is to keep the 0-0 home games (eg Middlesborough which should be renamed as a the Middles-bore game) as a standard.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 31, 2016, 10:21:28 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 31, 2016, 10:04:36 PM
Why has no-one mentioned we now have 2 proper full backs....Happy Days!!!!

Sorry too soon? :(

 :) ..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6zl5x8r9Bs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6zl5x8r9Bs)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darby009 on August 31, 2016, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: Pelada on August 31, 2016, 10:04:18 PM
I'm in the camp that thinks Pulis might walk.

If he thinks he is in danger of relegation surely he will? He ha no reason to stay- the fans hate him and the playing squad still looks threadbare on quality.

The only thing saving him is if he honestly thinks that these players today are the quality required, which even by his dinosaur standards, would be bizarre.

We can but hope, and who's fault is it that the squad is threadbare, he can't say he wasn't given the money.

It is his stubbornness and reluctance to alter his style and type,of players he buys that is to blame... The sooner he is gone the better
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 31, 2016, 10:25:20 PM
Assuming we really are done for this transfer window, whoevers fault it is i think its fair to say we have a long season ahead.

I think the club have been clever and created a win-win situation for themselves, if they were going to sack him they would of done it by now, if Pulis stays who  better is there to keep you in the league whatever the means? That way they get another pot of gold end of season and Pulis leaves for nothing.

And if he leaves of his own accord, will be a mutual pay off so saves a lot of money, we have made little outlay this window, so we attract a new manager who gets people interested and excited, gives the club a lift and in January they get better financial backing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saltnshake on August 31, 2016, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 10:13:56 PM
Sorry, don't get that. There was money available to buy players, a key player in the plan was Camacho. Pulis pulled the plug, how is that anybody else's fault? Where was plan c for a striker if Jay Rodrigues & Ulloa failed. Pulis's ego got in the way today in my opinion. As a coach, I've backed him all the way, but today, his ego came to the surface.
Pulis stated the other day that he had submitted the names of the players he thought would improve us, the club clearly couldn't or wouldn't sign those players so why should Pulis be forced to sign a player he doesn't want ? then all of sudden it gets leaked to the press that can only come from within the club which is shocking, Pulis said the other day us fans shouldn't know half of what goes on within the club and now the club are leaking details of our transfers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 31, 2016, 10:28:07 PM
Just had a horrible thought..
What if it is Pulis's plan that he has to pull on a pair of boots and play for the team, when we are short of attacking options.  ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 31, 2016, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: saltnshake on August 31, 2016, 10:25:29 PM
Pulis stated the other day that he had submitted the names of the players he thought would improve us, the club clearly couldn't or wouldn't sign those players so why should Pulis be forced to sign a player he doesn't want ? then all of sudden it gets leaked to the press that can only come from within the club which is shocking, Pulis said the other day us fans shouldn't know half of what goes on within the club and now the club are leaking details of our transfers.

The clubs master plan? Stitch up Pulis finally so he walks . Replace him with a new man after the window is closed so no new signings can be made. It's classic WBA
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 31, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
I do feel quite sorry for Pulis in this window - I don't think he was responsible for the Camacho deal breaking down (contrary to reports) and I'm sure he wanted more players, or at least better players.

At the same time, a part of me believes the club has been tighter after the likes of Chester/Lambert/McManaman last season. With all things considered however, we've already got back our Chester fee so it's not even that bad in terms of wasting money, compared to the current club tactic which is to spend as little as possible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on August 31, 2016, 10:39:10 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 31, 2016, 10:04:36 PM
Why has no-one mentioned we now have 2 proper full backs....Happy Days!!!!

Sorry too soon? :(r

I had a few beers tonight and this made me laugh out loud!

Who cares its only football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2016, 10:40:41 PM
We will never know the truth of what went on with Camacho, we will never know what goes on at this club as every coach/ manager has to sign a confidentiality clause when they leave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 31, 2016, 10:43:03 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on August 31, 2016, 10:19:28 PM
Its Pulis's fault, It's Pulis's fault, sack him, feck him off, lets go down, dinosoar killing the club. What a load of rollox.
Of course all of our transfer windows pre-Pulis went swimmingly didn't they.
He will walk tomorrow, and some of you will be deliriously happy, sad, bitter people .
Why walk,I'll give the git a lift.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saltnshake on August 31, 2016, 10:45:01 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2016, 10:40:41 PM
We will never know the truth of what went on with Camacho, we will never know what goes on at this club as every coach/ manager has to sign a confidentiality clause when they leave.
So why did the club then leak the fact it was Pulis who pulled the plug? they clearly have an agenda to take the blame of themselves and put it onto Pulis .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2016, 10:46:36 PM
Quote from: saltnshake on August 31, 2016, 10:45:01 PM
So why did the club then leak the fact it was Pulis who pulled the plug? they clearly have an agenda to take the blame of themselves and put it onto Pulis .

and yet in Spain reports suggest we never met the release fee, quite easy for reports to come out of a club, they don't always have to be true though do they ?? never quotes from a named source.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 10:50:56 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on August 31, 2016, 10:19:28 PM
Its Pulis's fault, It's Pulis's fault, sack him, feck him off, lets go down, dinosoar killing the club. What a load of rollox.
Of course all of our transfer windows pre-Pulis went swimmingly didn't they.
He will walk tomorrow, and some of you will be deliriously happy, sad, bitter people .

If it was the fault of the administrators in the club, I wouldn't blame him for walking, but according to the reports coming out, it wasn't.

The disaster transfer window, when Mel was sacked was as a result of poor planning & IMO Mark Jenkins taking his eye off the ball. This one is totally different, Pulis & Hammond have both had time to identify targets, & they would have had a fair idea on costs. IMO the last few weeks has been juggling those targets & playing a brinkmanship game. If a brinkmanship game comes off, your a hero, if it fails you're a villan. This one failed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saltnshake on August 31, 2016, 10:51:17 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2016, 10:46:36 PM
and yet in Spain reports suggest we never met the release fee, quite easy for reports to come out of a club, they don't always have to be true though do they ?? never quotes from a named source.
No they never name the source but information like that can only come from someone who would have been close to the deal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2016, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: saltnshake on August 31, 2016, 10:51:17 PM
No they never name the source but information like that can only come from someone who would have been close to the deal.

I understand that but it can also be used to deflect blame for failure.

Pulis never seemed to have many problems signing players elsewhere so even if he did pull the plug on Camacho surely he would have tried to get another in. Us as a club however seem to have problems on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on August 31, 2016, 10:57:27 PM
Can't see Pulis being too happy. Wanted 5 players, after the first 2 had signed, and hasn't got them. Gave the club a list of players he wanted, and doubt he got more than 1 of them. Said publicly that we would make a profit on Lambert and we haven't. Said publicly that we would get our money back on Mcmanaman and we haven't. Leaked that he was responsible for the Camacho pull out. He doesn't so much have egg on his face as a cheese and mushroom omelette, and he looks a complete numpty. Will be a very interesting next news conference
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saltnshake on August 31, 2016, 11:04:18 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2016, 10:53:54 PM
I understand that but it can also be used to deflect blame for failure.

Pulis never seemed to have many problems signing players elsewhere so even if he did pull the plug on Camacho surely he would have tried to get another in. Us as a club however seem to have problems on a regular basis.
Yep interesting that both Garlick and Jenkins both JP'S men were still heavily involved with the transfer negotiations, they should have both been put on gardening leave as soon as the takeover was announced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 11:06:57 PM
Quote from: saltnshake on August 31, 2016, 10:25:29 PM
Pulis stated the other day that he had submitted the names of the players he thought would improve us, the club clearly couldn't or wouldn't sign those players so why should Pulis be forced to sign a player he doesn't want ? then all of sudden it gets leaked to the press that can only come from within the club which is shocking, Pulis said the other day us fans shouldn't know half of what goes on within the club and now the club are leaking details of our transfers.

I think it's fair to assume that it doesn't quite work like that. Pulis together with Hammond& all of the scouting team would have come up with a list of players, all of which would have been approved by Pulis. It's inconceivable that Pulis would have any player forced on him. There would have been a pot of money to fund contracts, both transfer fees and wages. New players coming in would have subtracted from the pot, Players leaving the club would have added to the pot. By juggling around it would have been possible to have a fund to buy  a couple of good quality players. For example Robson Kanu would have cost nothing in transfer fee but would take from the pot in wages. If Saido had been sold, it could have added to the pot in transfer fee, but not a lot in wages.
Transfers are very tricky & it's highly competitive, so Pulis is right when he says transfers should be done behind closed doors, but now it's over,it doesn't matter. Also, how do you know it wasn't Pulis himself who told the press he'd pulled the plug?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on August 31, 2016, 11:07:44 PM
I can't believe it was Tony who shot down the Camacho deal especially this late in the window. Maybe Pulis didn't really want him but even he must think some talent is better than no talent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 31, 2016, 11:12:31 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on August 31, 2016, 11:07:44 PM
I can't believe it was Tony who shot down the Camacho deal especially this late in the window. Maybe Pulis didn't really want him but even he must think some talent is better than no talent.

His insistence on playing Gardener would determine that is a lie.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 31, 2016, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on August 31, 2016, 11:07:44 PM
I can't believe it was Tony who shot down the Camacho deal especially this late in the window. Maybe Pulis didn't really want him but even he must think some talent is better than no talent.
That's debateable
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saltnshake on August 31, 2016, 11:16:28 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 11:06:57 PM
I think it's fair to assume that it doesn't quite work like that. Pulis together with Hammond& all of the scouting team would have come up with a list of players, all of which would have been approved by Pulis. It's inconceivable that Pulis would have any player forced on him. There would have been a pot of money to fund contracts, both transfer fees and wages. New players coming in would have subtracted from the pot, Players leaving the club would have added to the pot. By juggling around it would have been possible to have a fund to buy  a couple of good quality players. For example Robson Kanu would have cost nothing in transfer fee but would take from the pot in wages. If Saido had been sold, it could have added to the pot in transfer fee, but not a lot in wages.
Transfers are very tricky & it's highly competitive, so Pulis is right when he says transfers should be done behind closed doors, but now it's over,it doesn't matter. Also, how do you know it wasn't Pulis himself who told the press he'd pulled the plug?
Have you sen the reaction on social media to the quote? all of a sudden people have stopped criticizing JP and the club and are slagging Pulis this has all the hallmarks of JP spin.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 11:23:58 PM
No I've been on here all night. I don't follow the hyper sensitive on twitter anyway. The arguments I've put forward are my own, but what's happened has all the hallmarks of a campaign orchestrated by Pulis. Ever since the debacle when Pepe Mel left, JP has recognised that funds need to be made available to bring in better players. We've had opportunities to make funds available & to identify targets, but we've not spent the funds. It all points to brinksmanship, who by,I'm not sure, but almost certainly Pulis was part of the problem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2016, 11:33:50 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 11:23:58 PM
No I've been on here all night. I don't follow the hyper sensitive on twitter anyway. The arguments I've put forward are my own, but what's happened has all the hallmarks of a campaign orchestrated by Pulis. Ever since the debacle when Pepe Mel left, JP has recognised that funds need to be made available to bring in better players. We've had opportunities to make funds available & to identify targets, but we've not spent the funds. It all points to brinksmanship, who by,I'm not sure, but almost certainly Pulis was part of the problem.

You're getting entrenched in a narrative that doesn't fit the reality mate, Pulis spent for fun at Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saltnshake on August 31, 2016, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 11:23:58 PM
No I've been on here all night. I don't follow the hyper sensitive on twitter anyway. The arguments I've put forward are my own, but what's happened has all the hallmarks of a campaign orchestrated by Pulis. Ever since the debacle when Pepe Mel left, JP has recognised that funds need to be made available to bring in better players. We've had opportunities to make funds available & to identify targets, but we've not spent the funds. It all points to brinksmanship, who by,I'm not sure, but almost certainly Pulis was part of the problem.
Why would Pulis make things worse for himself? he is already getting lots of stick some of it justified, and  you only have to look at most of our previous transfer windows to see where the blame lies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on August 31, 2016, 11:58:22 PM
The only reason I can see Tony deciding not to get players now is if the ownership told him he can use the money in the winter instead.

And the only way he should accept that is if it comes with a contract extension because there is no guarantee he makes it to January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albionden on September 01, 2016, 12:07:59 AM
Quote from: DivinePast on August 31, 2016, 11:58:22 PM
The only reason I can see Tony deciding not to get players now is if the ownership told him he can use the money in the winter instead.

.

If were at the wrong end of the table come the January transfer window , the same players will cost more due to t
he "desperation factor" .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 01, 2016, 12:21:31 AM
Can't see us spending silly money on player's in January when we wouldn't spend anything in this window
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 01, 2016, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: albionden on September 01, 2016, 12:07:59 AM
If were at the wrong end of the table come the January transfer window , the same players will cost more due to t
he "desperation factor" .

I agree that's why I don't see that as a logical explanation on the motives of TP telling the board not to spend money. He has very little motivation given his contract is expiring to want to save money in a warchest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 01, 2016, 01:46:55 AM
At the end of "deadline day" or as its now know "debacle day", do you honestly trust anyone running this club to get in a decent manager? They can't even buy players so how are they going to magic up a half decent manager if we need one after Tone.

Last 3 appointments - Mel, Irvine, Pulis.

Last 2 transfer windows:
January - Pritchard, Sandro (Loan)
Summer - chadli 13m Phillips 5m, Nyom 4m, HRK (free), galloway (Loan)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 01, 2016, 07:53:13 AM
doesn't make sense that  any coach wouldn't want a quality player added to his squad, this imho looks more like the typical tight fisted ways of the Albion hierarchy.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the club to come forward with any explanation about it, why would they put them selves in mud slinging que when Tony Pulis is already standing in it?   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2016, 08:01:02 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2016, 11:33:50 PM
You're getting entrenched in a narrative that doesn't fit the reality mate, Pulis spent for fun at Stoke.
The reality is Pulis shops in a market where "experienced in British football" matters significantly  (rightly or wrongly). Every player we have brought in (with Rondon being a notable exception) under Pulis fits that criteria. At Stoke the % of foreign players purchased were minimal and of those the ones that went on to be successful could be counted on one hand. His style suits the British game and mentality and therefore I understand his seemingly reluctance to change. Just means we have to put up with his s*** until we decide it is time to change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2016, 08:05:12 AM
no more moaning from me on this topic,lets just hope his contract runs down and its not renewed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 01, 2016, 09:38:53 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2016, 08:01:02 AM
The reality is Pulis shops in a market where "experienced in British football" matters significantly  (rightly or wrongly). Every player we have brought in (with Rondon being a notable exception) under Pulis fits that criteria. At Stoke the % of foreign players purchased were minimal and of those the ones that went on to be successful could be counted on one hand. His style suits the British game and mentality and therefore I understand his seemingly reluctance to change. Just means we have to put up with his s*** until we decide it is time to change.
Personally, I think this is the hub of the problem. He only wants people experienced in British football and preferably at the top level. Why is anyone's guess but it makes no sense. It means
1 We miss out on good players throughout the rest of the world and renders our scouting system abroad redundant
2 We miss out on good players from the lower divisions as they are deemed too much of a risk
3 We only look at Premiership (and occasionally Championship) players who their parent clubs are willing to sell. In other words, players that they don't particularly want/need,players with a poor attitude or injury record, and players who they will sell if we pay a hugely inflated price.
Pulis will not change at this stage of his life, so this is what we are stuck with while he's here. I don't know why he has this obsession but he does. It isn't the Club's fault, it's Pulis' fault, and if we get relegated this season I will blame him. If he leaves or gets sacked, it is his own fault and I will have no sympathy whatsoever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2016, 09:49:13 AM
The quote from Chris Sutton here sums things up for me.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-fc-live-news-11827156

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 09:53:28 AM
It's also just nonsense.  As disappointed as I am with the transfer window we've still signed 5 players.  If we carried on signing players like Chadli and Evans I'd be well happy. 

Just look at the history of our transfers, we never pay over the odds, we never really splash out - this transfer window is just another example of that.  It's very little to do with Pulis and a lot to do with Peace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 01, 2016, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 09:53:28 AM
It's also just nonsense.  As disappointed as I am with the transfer window we've still signed 5 players.  If we carried on signing players like Chadli and Evans I'd be well happy. 

Just look at the history of our transfers, we never pay over the odds, we never really splash out - this transfer window is just another example of that. It's very little to do with Pulis and a lot to do with Peace.
Can't agree. It is absolutely to do with Pulis, for the reasons I gave a few posts above
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 01, 2016, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 09:53:28 AM
It's also just nonsense.  As disappointed as I am with the transfer window we've still signed 5 players.  If we carried on signing players like Chadli and Evans I'd be well happy. 

Just look at the history of our transfers, we never pay over the odds, we never really splash out - this transfer window is just another example of that.  It's very little to do with Pulis and a lot to do with Peace.

But we didn't spend our budget, we had a player in the bag, who we'd allegedly had on our radar for a year, TP turned him down at the last minute. How is that JP's fault?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:15:38 AM
Quote from: timdon on September 01, 2016, 10:05:34 AM
Can't agree. It is absolutely to do with Pulis, for the reasons I gave a few posts above

But we've signed Rondon, we were in for Carvahlo, Camacho and Slimani. I realise he certainly doesn't favour players with no Premiership experience but let's not pretend it's a blanket no.  It clearly isn't.  I understand, they have cool foreign names and are a way more exciting a proposition when it comes to new talent. 

And signing youngster from the lower leagues IS a risk.  I can't believe that people can't see that our squad is in a precarious position.  We have signed decent lower league players in the past and the transfers haven't come off.  It's not easy.

It's pretty obvious that we're only going to look at players that clubs are willing to sell.  That's the same for most clubs.  Sure, Pulis does prefer Premiership experience, but that's not a bad thing, especially if it results in players like Evans, Fletcher and Chadli.

As I said, this transfer window, for me, was very little to do with Pulis and more to do with JP.  It's got all the hallmarks of JP tightness all over it.  We didn't struggle to target players, we struggled to get them in through the door.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 01, 2016, 10:11:12 AM
But we didn't spend our budget, we had a player in the bag, who we'd allegedly had on our radar for a year, TP turned him down at the last minute. How is that JP's fault?

I've got to admit, I'm waiting for something a little more substantial on the reasons why we turned him down.  I'm hearing conflicting reports.  If it is the case that TP said no, then I'd be interested to hear his reasons.

But, saying all that, that's ONE player in the whole window.  Why didn't we meet Carvalho's asking price? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on September 01, 2016, 10:20:54 AM
Lets just get through the season. We've bought some decent players and the squad has a little more quality than last season although it lacks depth. Importantly, we have players that can play in their positions rather than square pegs in round holes.

Pulis to keep us up this season with a hard working squad that has slightly more quality than last season and then hopefully a new coach next year, there's no point stressing now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: timdon on September 01, 2016, 09:38:53 AM
Personally, I think this is the hub of the problem. He only wants people experienced in British football and preferably at the top level. Why is anyone's guess but it makes no sense. It means
1 We miss out on good players throughout the rest of the world and renders our scouting system abroad redundant
2 We miss out on good players from the lower divisions as they are deemed too much of a risk
3 We only look at Premiership (and occasionally Championship) players who their parent clubs are willing to sell. In other words, players that they don't particularly want/need,players with a poor attitude or injury record, and players who they will sell if we pay a hugely inflated price.
Pulis will not change at this stage of his life, so this is what we are stuck with while he's here. I don't know why he has this obsession but he does. It isn't the Club's fault, it's Pulis' fault, and if we get relegated this season I will blame him. If he leaves or gets sacked, it is his own fault and I will have no sympathy whatsoever.
Hallelujah. Pulis' whole career is testament to this. Supporters need to accept and understand this. He shouldn't have the control over transfers that he has... but given that he probably wouldn't play quality players if they were signed for him (Rondon being the notsble exception), he shouldn't be in charge of a Premier League club.

If you limit yourself to domestically based players you end up with far inferior value for money and miss out on a lot of quality, as well as rendering the international scouting system irrelevant- most of our best signings have come through this (Odemwingie, Mulumbu, Yacob, Gera, Rondon to name just a few). Think how many potential quality players (like Camacho) we miss out on because of Pulis' policy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 01, 2016, 10:30:17 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:15:38 AM
But we've signed Rondon, we were in for Carvahlo, Camacho and Slimani. I realise he certainly doesn't favour players with no Premiership experience but let's not pretend it's a blanket no.  It clearly isn't.  I understand, they have cool foreign names and are a way more exciting a proposition when it comes to new talent. 

And signing youngster from the lower leagues IS a risk.  I can't believe that people can't see that our squad is in a precarious position.  We have signed decent lower league players in the past and the transfers haven't come off.  It's not easy.

It's pretty obvious that we're only going to look at players that clubs are willing to sell.  That's the same for most clubs.  Sure, Pulis does prefer Premiership experience, but that's not a bad thing, especially if it results in players like Evans, Fletcher and Chadli.

As I said, this transfer window, for me, was very little to do with Pulis and more to do with JP.  It's got all the hallmarks of JP tightness all over it.  We didn't struggle to target players, we struggled to get them in through the door.
It doesn't matter who we were in for (allegedly), I'm talking about who he signed. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. He signed Rondon. In how many transfer windows, that's it, so yes. it is pretty much a blanket ban.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 01, 2016, 10:31:35 AM
Foster / Myhill

Dawson / Nyom
McAuley
Evans / Olsson
Brunt / Galloway

Fletcher / Field
Yacob / Gardner

Berainho / Leko
Phillips / Morrison
Chadli / McLean

Rondon / HKR

If you look at our squad that like that I think we're in a good, if light but versatile at the back, place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:32:14 AM
@TimDon: Well yes, if we write off all the evidence of us being in for foreign players, and we ignore the one that we've signed, then yes, then it does point to a blanket ban. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 01, 2016, 10:34:33 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:16:50 AM
I've got to admit, I'm waiting for something a little more substantial on the reasons why we turned him down.  I'm hearing conflicting reports.  If it is the case that TP said no, then I'd be interested to hear his reasons.

But, saying all that, that's ONE player in the whole window.  Why didn't we meet Carvalho's asking price?

If you look at the discussions that have been going on between me & overseas baggie. OB has suggested that due to cash restraints, this years transfer budget would have to be neutral. In other words money for incoming players would have to be met by money from outgoing players. I happen to think that some of the TV money would also be available, so we had a slight difference of opinion on how big the transfer fund was.
It's alleged that JP sold the club to Lai for around £200 million, a large part of the valuation of the club, would have been player values. Buying Carvalho would undoubtedly have added value to the club, but if the price agreed by JP & Lai was fixed, increasing the value wouldn't have helped JP. So I would suggest that the bid for Carvalho was to test the water. Also, because Leicester had agreed £29 million for Slamini, Sporting could hold out for a similar amount for Carvalho.
I'm not denying, that there was a limited amount of cash available, but to get to a point where we pull the rug on a £15 million player at the last minute & fail to sign a PL standard striker, to me is criminal
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 01, 2016, 10:42:13 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:32:14 AM
@TimDon: Well yes, if we write off all the evidence of us being in for foreign players, and we ignore the one that we've signed, then yes, then it does point to a blanket ban.
On the other hand, if we count all the players we were in for rather than those we actually signed, we would have a brilliant squad and be looking at top 6 minimum. So, Rondon, in all the time Pulis has been here, that's it, which in my eyes isn't that far away from a blanket ban, given how big the rest of the world is
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:43:33 AM
I agree with you,  I definitely think there was cash available.  There is no way, with the TV money as it is, even despite the ongoing sale, that money wasn't there to be used.  What would have happened if we'd have signed Schlupp for £12m?  I doubt that would have been the transfer dealings all concluded.  Would really like to know why the Camacho deal didn't go ahead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 01, 2016, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:43:33 AM
I agree with you,  I definitely think there was cash available.  There is no way, with the TV money as it is, even despite the ongoing sale, that money wasn't there to be used.  What would have happened if we'd have signed Schlupp for £12m?  I doubt that would have been the transfer dealings all concluded. Would really like to know why the Camacho deal didn't go ahead.
Because Pulis decided at the last minute that he didn't want him, because it is too much of a risk to sign foreign players with no experience of English football. Now do you get it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: timdon on September 01, 2016, 10:42:13 AM
On the other hand, if we count all the players we were in for rather than those we actually signed, we would have a brilliant squad and be looking at top 6 minimum. So, Rondon, in all the time Pulis has been here, that's it, which in my eyes isn't that far away from a blanket ban, given how big the rest of the world is

Well no, you're saying that we just don't sign them.  I'd say we've at least tried to sign some foreign players this window.  The reasons for not signing them are currently unknown (annoyingly). It sort of blows a hole in your blanket ban approach.  I would say TP is way more careful when buying from overseas, I wouldn't say that he point blank refuses to buy them. 

For the record I'd like to see us buy more from abroad.  I believe there's better value for money to be had, and I do get more excited by signing someone called Camacho than a Brown, but I can understand why a manager would prefer players with experience of the league that they're going to be playing in.  We're constantly told that Premiership is MUCH different to the other leagues out there. 

(oh, and even if all those transfers had come off, we still wouldn't be fighting it out for a top 6 place :D)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: timdon on September 01, 2016, 10:46:06 AM
Because Pulis decided at the last minute that he didn't want him, because it is too much of a risk to sign foreign players with no experience of English football. Now do you get it?

We don't know WHO pulled the plug or, more importantly, WHY they pulled the plug at the moment.  We simply don't know yet until we hear from the club itself.  People are taking one comment from a journalist and running with it as gospel at the moment.

If TP didn't want any foreign players why were we talking to foreign clubs about foreign players?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 01, 2016, 10:55:36 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:49:01 AM
Well no, you're saying that we just don't sign them.  I'd say we've at least tried to sign some foreign players this window.  The reasons for not signing them are currently unknown (annoyingly). It sort of blows a hole in your blanket ban approach.  I would say TP is way more careful when buying from overseas, I wouldn't say that he point blank refuses to buy them. 

For the record I'd like to see us buy more from abroad.  I believe there's better value for money to be had, and I do get more excited by signing someone called Camacho than a Brown, but I can understand why a manager would prefer players with experience of the league that they're going to be playing in.  We're constantly told that Premiership is MUCH different to the other leagues out there. 

(oh, and even if all those transfers had come off, we still wouldn't be fighting it out for a top 6 place :D)
Ok, let's settle on his is way more careful, the end result is the same, we don't sign them. He has always been that way. And yes, there is better value and better quality available the wider you cast the net, but our Tone doesn't agree for some reason.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 01, 2016, 10:58:43 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
We don't know WHO pulled the plug or, more importantly, WHY they pulled the plug at the moment. We simply don't know yet until we hear from the club itself.  People are taking one comment from a journalist and running with it as gospel at the moment.

If TP didn't want any foreign players why were we talking to foreign clubs about foreign players?

According to this morning's Birm Mail "footballing reasons"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 01, 2016, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
We don't know WHO pulled the plug or, more importantly, WHY they pulled the plug at the moment.  We simply don't know yet until we hear from the club itself.  People are taking one comment from a journalist and running with it as gospel at the moment.

If TP didn't want any foreign players why were we talking to foreign clubs about foreign players?
Now that is a good question. But with regard to your point about who pulled the plug, I can tell you that it was Pulis. What's more, the player himself was all ready to come, and is bitterly disappointed that it all fell through - we treated him very badly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 01, 2016, 11:00:50 AM
The way I look at it is quite simple - we have 5 new players and we have got rid of some 'dead wood'. TP has yet to come out and say that he is not happy with the business conducted so I have to assume that he has agreed to the signings. So this is now his team.

For me he can now be truly judged.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 01, 2016, 11:05:57 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 01, 2016, 11:00:50 AM
The way I look at it is quite simple - we have 5 new players and we have got rid of some 'dead wood'. TP has yet to come out and say that he is not happy with the business conducted so I have to assume that he has agreed to the signings. So this is now his team.

For me he can now be truly judged.

Agree 100% with that, & if it was him that pulled the plug on Camacho, he has to own up to that too. Do that & I'm 100% behind him again
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 01, 2016, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 01, 2016, 11:00:50 AM
The way I look at it is quite simple - we have 5 new players and we have got rid of some 'dead wood'. TP has yet to come out and say that he is not happy with the business conducted so I have to assume that he has agreed to the signings. So this is now his team.

For me he can now be truly judged.

Agree,  Pulis was completely on the loop with signings .

This is his squad regardless of his previous excuses. He's had more
Money and Windows than any manager in our recent history .

From the team which were poor against Boro, he's added Chadli and Robson Kanu from an attacking perspective .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 01, 2016, 11:06:53 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 01, 2016, 10:58:43 AM
According to this morning's Birm Mail "footballing reasons"

The worst word they could have used.

'footballing reasons' is not a good enough excuse.....what was he too good at football??

If TP has pulled the plug on deals that would have improved us then I won't be happy at all.

Can see a toxic atmosphere brewing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 11:12:21 AM
The reason being that you can't be sure how a player will perform in the Premiership.  I'm absolutely sure that some players we've passed over will have made the grade but it's a lot tougher to be certain and when a club is run on a tight budget can we keep affording to purchase players like Ideye?.  It's not *that* crazy a stance to make.  Christ knows, we've fallen for the "foreigner must be good" approach in the past.

Under Mowbray, he who played the football we all wanted to see, we signed Zuiverloon, Cech, Danek, Meite, Valero, all in one summer.  We also signed Dorrans, Carson and Olsson who went on to contribute.  The following summer we signed Ibanez, Slory, Jara and Mulumbu, only one of them went on to contribute (and in what a way).  More recently we've had Davidson, Brown, Pocog, Blanco.  The players we've signed from local leagues have tended to be more of a hit than those we've signed from abroad.

I'm not saying it's always the right approach, but it's not without some kind of logic to it. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: timdon on September 01, 2016, 10:59:36 AM
Now that is a good question. But with regard to your point about who pulled the plug, I can tell you that it was Pulis. What's more, the player himself was all ready to come, and is bitterly disappointed that it all fell through - we treated him very badly

You're just going by the twitter comment - unless you have some ITK information, which I seriously doubt.

(The comment may well be true, but we don't know for sure, or even if TP pulled the plug what his reasons were).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 01, 2016, 11:15:03 AM
Better quality squad now than when he arrived. JD
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 11:14:26 AM
You're just going by the twitter comment - unless you have some ITK information, which I seriously doubt.

(The comment may well be true, but we don't know for sure, or even if TP pulled the plug what his reasons were).
No he isn't, there's reliable information from the local journalist Matt Wilson, who gets his information straight from the club. Pulis called off the Camacho signing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 01, 2016, 11:19:56 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 11:14:26 AM
You're just going by the twitter comment - unless you have some ITK information, which I seriously doubt.
Seriously doubt then, I'm not bothered. Do you have any information, ITK or otherwise, which says I am wrong. What info I do have comes from Spain, so admittedly could be a bit one sided, but I am fairly sure I am right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 01, 2016, 11:22:05 AM
The problem we have now is probably the only manager with a chance of keeping us up is Pulis.

Completely backed into a corner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 01, 2016, 11:56:07 AM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
No he isn't, there's reliable information from the local journalist Matt Wilson, who gets his information straight from the club. Pulis called off the Camacho signing.
Yep, that as well
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on September 01, 2016, 11:22:05 AM
The problem we have now is probably the only manager with a chance of keeping us up is Pulis.

Completely backed into a corner.
Perhaps. A corner of Pulis' own making. He has to go as soon as we're safe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 01, 2016, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on September 01, 2016, 11:22:05 AM
The problem we have now is probably the only manager with a chance of keeping us up is Pulis.

Completely backed into a corner.
Really? The ONLY manager who has a chance of keeping us up? In the whole world?
This is an urban myth that I refuse to go along with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 01, 2016, 12:31:41 PM
Posts asking others to name replacements for Pulis will be deleted. This is against Forum rules.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 12:33:01 PM
Oops, sorry Hull Baggie, it was more to highlight the fact that at the moment, with the current squad, Pulis is just the man you'd want to grind out points to see us through to January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 01, 2016, 12:34:16 PM
I'm not a Pulis fan, but no way can this debacle be lain at his door. He wanted players, he always does, the money men have to take the blame for this, they have bitched and haggled and faffed about, to show what great negotiators they are and have been found wanting in a big way.

Perhaps they believe the hype that it is impossible to be relegated with Pulis in charge, so decided they didn't need to spend anything. They may be right, but the one thing for sure is that the ones who will suffer most this season, whatever the outcome, will be the fans, because there is no way on earth now that we will see anything other than the Neanderthal drudgery that Pulis calls football. He has a ready made excuse in that he wasn't backed in the window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on September 01, 2016, 12:35:34 PM
I was desperately hoping that we could land some attacking players due to:

1) the hope that we could try and play more attractive football and

2) to remove Pulis' excuse of "not having the players" so that when he most likely continues in the same vein he will be replaced by a more forward thinking manager just like he was at Stoke and the players are already in situ.

So what have we ended up with?

Chadli- a good signing if and only if he is allowed past the half way line and can get closer to rondon.
RobsonKanu - oh please. He's scored 17 goals in about 280 games in the championship. I'd expect a defender to do that!

Somebody mentioned earlier that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Well I'm not hungry. Somebody else can eat it as I'm pretty sure that our pudding is made with dung, drying paint and decorated with hawthorn leaves. Gutted.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 01, 2016, 12:49:19 PM
I keep seeing comments about how he's the only manager who could keep this squad up, but I fail to see those people acknowledge the real truth of the matter - no other manager would have put together a squad so devoid of quality or technical footballing ability.

So yeah, we don't have the players to play passing, attacking, attractive football - and whose fault is that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bradleysrocket on September 01, 2016, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on September 01, 2016, 12:49:19 PM
I keep seeing comments about how he's the only manager who could keep this squad up, but I fail to see those people acknowledge the real truth of the matter - no other manager would have put together a squad so devoid of quality or technical footballing ability.

So yeah, we don't have the players to play passing, attacking, attractive football - and whose fault is that?
Years and years of overall poor recruitment, this window isn't a one off. Pulis takes some blame with the squad but it's not his fault completely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 01, 2016, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on September 01, 2016, 12:34:16 PM
I'm not a Pulis fan, but no way can this debacle be lain at his door. He wanted players, he always does, the money men have to take the blame for this, they have bitched and haggled and faffed about, to show what great negotiators they are and have been found wanting in a big way.

Perhaps they believe the hype that it is impossible to be relegated with Pulis in charge, so decided they didn't need to spend anything. They may be right, but the one thing for sure is that the ones who will suffer most this season, whatever the outcome, will be the fans, because there is no way on earth now that we will see anything other than the Neanderthal drudgery that Pulis calls football. He has a ready made excuse in that he wasn't backed in the window.

Wasn't the release clause for Camacho met but pulis pulled out?

Kanu was playing at the euros.... pulis was also there doing whatever he was doing...surprise surprise he's the guy we end up with for free.  Coincidence?

That tells me it's pulis making sure he gets who he wants and doesn't sign whoever he don't fancy, can't see no one else to blame tbh.

It's abit of an habit with the club but pulis has always been the same wherever he plays.... if he can get away with it he will only sign the tall hard working British hays regardless of how good or poor they are (with the exception of an handful, Rondon etc before people point out)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 01, 2016, 01:13:23 PM
Quote from: timdon on September 01, 2016, 12:25:26 PM
Really? The ONLY manager who has a chance of keeping us up? In the whole world?
This is an urban myth that I refuse to go along with.

i hear you. but with this squad, very few managers will be able to keep us up. It's also Pulis' squad, so he has more chance than anyone.

Don't get me wrong. When he goes (and I hope it's today) I will dance a jig around the kitchen and crack open the finest bottle of Lidl prosecco. Detest the man. Worst manager we've had in the last 14 years (except maybees Irvine).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 01, 2016, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on September 01, 2016, 01:13:23 PM
i hear you. but with this squad, very few managers will be able to keep us up. It's also Pulis' squad, so he has more chance than anyone.

Don't get me wrong. When he goes (and I hope it's today) I will dance a jig around the kitchen and crack open the finest bottle of Lidl prosecco. Detest the man. Worst manager we've had in the last 14 years (except maybees Irvine).

But have we only got this squad because of pulis?

He's had a few transfer windows now and he hasn't really impressed, especially when smaller clubs than us are buying players that would be a decent addition to our squad for a reasonable price, he's had loans and completely wasted them.... really don't want to be negative but I really can't see what pulis' intentions are.

I do believe with a different manager in charge we would of had a more balanced squad by now and atleast been able to string 2/3 passes along in a game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 01, 2016, 01:22:52 PM
We can debate over Camacho which is a huge loss if you ask me but surely Pulis wanted other "attacking players" that we didn't get. The whole window isn't his fault. He has said for a month we need players to give us more going forward and Camacho wasn't that type of player. Since Sakho we had no bids for a forward accepted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 01, 2016, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 01, 2016, 01:22:52 PM
We can debate over Camacho which is a huge loss if you ask me but surely Pulis wanted other "attacking players" that we didn't get. The whole window isn't his fault. He has said for a month we need players to give us more going forward and Camacho wasn't that type of player. Since Sakho we had no bids for a forward accepted.

i imagine there's little incentive for attacking, flair players to play for Pulis.

Chadli is the exception not the rule.

For me Pulis is just a culpable as the board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 01:28:21 PM
Seems the blame game starts and ends with Pulis for some, bigger picture and questions need to be asked of others especially as this window follows a number of others that promise much and deliver little. Common denominator is not Pulis but higher up the chain.

They ALL need to take a share of blame not just one individual who some will take every chance to put the boot in whilst others get away scot free yet again.

If Pulis did turn Camacho down (and its still a very big IF due to to conflicting reports) then he should explain why but others also need to explain a few other things that didn't happen and also why Nyom was given a 4 year deal and Robson-Kanu a two plus one deal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on September 01, 2016, 01:29:24 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on September 01, 2016, 01:13:23 PM
i hear you. but with this squad, very few managers will be able to keep us up. It's also Pulis' squad, so he has more chance than anyone.

Don't get me wrong. When he goes (and I hope it's today) I will dance a jig around the kitchen and crack open the finest bottle of Lidl prosecco. Detest the man. Worst manager we've had in the last 14 years (except maybees Irvine).
I think Pulis is the only manager i can think of who would keep this squad in the top flight - maybe Allardyce?
For that reason he has my total respect. You cannot make a sow's ear into a silk purse and once again our failure in the window means that survival is our best hope. Make no mistake we will survive but the lack of spending once again limits our ambition. Frustrating as the money for the first time was there.
I do accept some players will not play for us because of the style Pulis adopts but with better players things could have changed. Most Premier League managers would probably fail at The Hawthorns - not Tony which is why i support him. I rank him right up there because I remember Gould, Buckley, Talbot, Howe, Smith, Irvine.............................
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on September 01, 2016, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 01:28:21 PM
Seems the blame game starts and ends with Pulis for some, bigger picture and questions need to be asked of others especially as this window follows a number of others that promise much and deliver little. Common denominator is not Pulis but higher up the chain.

They ALL need to take a share of blame not just one individual who some will take every chance to put the boot in whilst others get away scot free yet again.

If Pulis did turn Camacho down (and its still a very big IF due to to conflicting reports) then he should explain why but others also need to explain a few other things that didn't happen and also why Nyom was given a 4 year deal and Robson-Kanu a two plus one deal.

Don't think it's fair to say that anyone believes only Pulis is to blame, quite a few other people from the club are getting a hammering in other threads. The manager is the most visible person at any club and many fans have a multitude of other grievances with him for which he is solely culpable. He's also the easiest person at the club to sack!

I also think we maybe need a bit of continuity in other positions; how many summers in a row have we had an entirely new "transfer team"? Feels like Hammond and his ilk spend the majority of the summer learning the ropes, leaving a fraction of the time to do the actual job following which they're sacked/moved and we start again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: wbawill on September 01, 2016, 02:05:30 PM
Don't think it's fair to say that anyone believes only Pulis is to blame, quite a few other people from the club are getting a hammering in other threads. The manager is the most visible person at any club and many fans have a multitude of other grievances with him for which he is solely culpable. He's also the easiest person at the club to sack!

I also think we maybe need a bit of continuity in other positions; how many summers in a row have we had an entirely new "transfer team"? Feels like Hammond and his ilk spend the majority of the summer learning the ropes, leaving a fraction of the time to do the actual job following which they're sacked/moved and we start again.

I said starts and ends with Pulis "for some" and from reading posts it does look that way.

The transfer team still have to answer to the same people and still have to work within the same schedules and budgets as those they replace. The club have banged on for a long time about the vast knowledge they have of players, how long we watch players for and how we keep planning for every eventuality unfortunately there seems little in the way of actual signs of any of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 01, 2016, 02:12:46 PM
Lets hope our "prospective" chairman decides to shed a bit of light on events.
Because as sure as hell, the current structure will not !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 01, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
Amazed he hasn't walked today if I'm honest. Would love to see what the atmosphere is like at the training ground today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2016, 02:45:30 PM
Didn't Tone say in a press conference earlier in the season that we would 'be amazed at the name of some of the players we were trying to recruit'

Yes Tone amazed at the names we were linked to and even more amazed at the ones that actually arrived.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 01, 2016, 02:48:41 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 01, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
Amazed he hasn't walked today if I'm honest. Would love to see what the atmosphere is like at the training ground today.
If it wasn't for the money he owes Palace I believe he would have gone. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2016, 02:53:26 PM
The next home game things could get nasty very quickly, I think the tolerance levels of our fans has been exhausted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 01, 2016, 03:18:38 PM
Good read...................

http://www.baggiesfacts.com/#!What-Its-Like-To-Be-Pulised/cn9t/57c686167f910937fdab12a3

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:11:36 PM
I've just read the official club statement from the chairman John Williams. It's official: we didn't sign Camacho because Pulis didn't want him. The money was there. That may be why reports in Spain suggest we didn't meet the buy-out clause.

I look forward to Tony Pulis' eventual departure, when we can start signing the best players for the club's future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2016, 04:12:50 PM
OK...Who wants to "pull the plug" on Pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on September 01, 2016, 04:23:30 PM
The Statment from John Williams does pin some blame on Pulis from my interpretation:

"Our Head Coach Tony Pulis is very selective and particular about the players he recruits so it follows that the new team members will add significantly to his first-team options. Tony wanted five and we got five."

"We were a long way down the road with a deal, which for the second time in the window would have broken the Club transfer record, thanks to the on-going support of Jeremy Peace and Guochuan Lai.

But it was decided for footballing reasons not to pursue this. Despite it being late in the window, we decided to pursue another high-quality target. Unfortunately, we were not able to get the deal over the line."

To me this shows that we could have got Camacho but Pulis backed out last minute. Very poor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 04:25:25 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:11:36 PM
I've just read the official club statement from the chairman John Williams. It's official: we didn't sign Camacho because Pulis didn't want him. The money was there. That may be why reports in Spain suggest we didn't meet the buy-out clause.

I look forward to Tony Pulis' eventual departure, when we can start signing the best players for the club's future.
This doesn't make any sense. Why did it get as far as an offer if Pulis didn't want him. Surely if Williams says "Tony what do think of Camcho and Pulis says I don't rate him or words to that effect why the f*** does Willaims then go and put in a bid for him??????????????
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2016, 04:12:50 PM
OK...Who wants to "pull the plug" on Pulis?
This to me is a seperate issue.

Pulis is the man most at fault for the squad being the way it is- lacking in balance and quality. The money has been there over the last four windows and he has refused to sign high quality targets from abroad in favour of poor value domestic alternatives. It's an archaic attitude from the dinosaur ages of football.

However, given the squad we now have (which again, to emphasise, is largely Pulis' doing), it would be silly to sack Pulis now. He probably has the bet chance of keeping this squad up.

It's nevertheless clear that for us to progress as a club, we need a new manager with a vastly more modern philosophy towards football and the transfer market. I therefore think the best thing is to keep him on until we're safe, meanwhile we should be looking for the next manager. We should appoint the new manager as soon as possible after we are safe, to give them sufficient time to prepare for next summer's transfer window.

I don't think replacing Pulisn before the January window would give the new manager enough time. I know this is depressing, but that's the price of not sacking Pulis before the start of this summer's window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:27:46 PM
Quote from: bry on September 01, 2016, 04:25:25 PM
This doesn't make any sense. Why did it get as far as an offer if Pulis didn't want him. Surely if Williams says "Tony what do think of Camcho and Pulis says I don't rate him or words to that effect why the f*** does Willaims then go and put in a bid for him??????????????
Because Pulis initially went along with it. The local journalist Matt Wilson has confirmed that Pulis changed his mind about Camacho late on. Why can't people accept the blame is on Pulis, even when all the evidence is right in front of their face?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 01, 2016, 04:27:55 PM
I have never been against Pulis up until now, but i think it's time he went, let's face it we will struggle whether he is here or not, he has destroyed our tradition of good football and made us the most boring and disliked side in the league.
Let's bring in a coach who plays with a bit of adventure, at least we would go down fighting, and who knows,some of the players we have could surprise us if let off the leash.

Don Howe and Ron Saunders all over again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 04:29:37 PM
Quote from: Pie on September 01, 2016, 04:23:30 PM
The Statment from John Williams does pin some blame on Pulis from my interpretation:

"Our Head Coach Tony Pulis is very selective and particular about the players he recruits so it follows that the new team members will add significantly to his first-team options. Tony wanted five and we got five."

"We were a long way down the road with a deal, which for the second time in the window would have broken the Club transfer record, thanks to the on-going support of Jeremy Peace and Guochuan Lai.

But it was decided for footballing reasons not to pursue this. Despite it being late in the window, we decided to pursue another high-quality target. Unfortunately, we were not able to get the deal over the line."

To me this shows that we could have got Camacho but Pulis backed out last minute. Very poor.
FFS Albion only bid after all parties at the club agree that's who they ALL want. Its amateurish at best. Why didn't they go for the second option from the get go? Don't they speak to each other. Its a joke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 04:31:40 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:25:59 PM
This to me is a seperate issue.

Pulis is the man most at fault for the squad being the way it is- lacking in balance and quality. The money has been there over the last four windows and he has refused to sign high quality targets from abroad in favour of poor value domestic alternatives. It's an archaic attitude from the dinosaur ages of football.

However, given the squad we now have (which again, to emphasise, is largely Pulis' doing), it would be silly to sack Pulis now. He probably has the bet chance of keeping this squad up.

It's nevertheless clear that for us to progress as a club, we need a new manager with a vastly more modern philosophy towards football and the transfer market. I therefore think the best thing is to keep him on until we're safe, meanwhile we should be looking for the next manager. We should appoint the new manager as soon as possible after we are safe, to give them sufficient time to prepare for next summer's transfer window.

I don't think replacing Pulisn before the January window would give the new manager enough time. I know this is depressing, but that's the price of not sacking Pulis before the start of this summer's window.
you are assuming we will stay up under Pulis now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 04:32:53 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:27:46 PM
Because Pulis initially went along with it. The local journalist Matt Wilson has confirmed that Pulis changed his mind about Camacho late on. Why can't people accept the blame is on Pulis, even when all the evidence is right in front of their face?

You keep saying this but you have one comment from one journalist to go on - it's flimsy at best.  On the other hand, the club haven't said it was Pulis (despite what you think), the Malaga Sporting Director said that we didn't meet the release clause, other articles have said that we wanted to pay in installments and that's why the deal broke down.

So in the evidence column for it being Pulis is.... a twitter comment.  The rest of the evidence points at deal negotiations.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:33:18 PM
Quote from: bry on September 01, 2016, 04:31:40 PM
you are assuming we will stay up under Pulis now.
Yep, agreed- there's no guarantee that we will. Unfortunately that's the situation the club has allowed us to be in by allowing Pulis to continue and giving him the ability to veto transfers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 04:34:50 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:27:46 PM
Because Pulis initially went along with it. The local journalist Matt Wilson has confirmed that Pulis changed his mind about Camacho late on. Why can't people accept the blame is on Pulis, even when all the evidence is right in front of their face?
I'm not backing Pulis. I just assumed that he wouldn't do such a stupid thing at the last minute. He needs to explain to the fans his thinking. Everyone assumes he will keep Albion up even with the squad we have. But if the fans turn and the atmosphere at games is completely toxic no one could keep this week squad up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:35:45 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 04:32:53 PM
You keep saying this but you have one comment from one journalist to go on - it's flimsy at best.  On the other hand, the club haven't said it was Pulis (despite what you think), the Malaga Sporting Director said that we didn't meet the release clause, other articles have said that we wanted to pay in installments and that's why the deal broke down.

So in the evidence column for it being Pulis is.... a twitter comment.  The rest of the evidence points at deal negotiations.
You're twisting the evidence which is extremely clear. We didn't pay the release clause because Pulis didn't want him. The club have clearly stated they were prepared to pay this, and we didn't "for footballing reasons". If you can't read between the lines that this means Pulis, it's laughable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: Pie on September 01, 2016, 04:23:30 PM
The Statment from John Williams does pin some blame on Pulis from my interpretation:

"Our Head Coach Tony Pulis is very selective and particular about the players he recruits so it follows that the new team members will add significantly to his first-team options. Tony wanted five and we got five."

"We were a long way down the road with a deal, which for the second time in the window would have broken the Club transfer record, thanks to the on-going support of Jeremy Peace and Guochuan Lai.

But it was decided for footballing reasons not to pursue this. Despite it being late in the window, we decided to pursue another high-quality target. Unfortunately, we were not able to get the deal over the line."

To me this shows that we could have got Camacho but Pulis backed out last minute. Very poor.

It doesn't say that at all.  Mainly because you've chopped out a paragraph....

"That having been said, the one disappointment we suffered was not being able to add a further quality midfield player. "

Which draws a line under the previous statement about Pulis being selective.  Talk above selective editing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 04:37:38 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:35:45 PM
You're twisting the evidence which is extremely clear. We didn't pay the release clause because Pulis didn't want him. The club have clearly stated they were prepared to pay this, and we didn't "for footballing reasons". If you can't read between the lines that this means Pulis, it's laughable.

How is that twisting the evidence?  The Malaga Sporting Director was very clear in that we didn't meet the release clause.  Now you're saying we did, but we didn't actually make the offer because, err, Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:38:44 PM
Quote from: bry on September 01, 2016, 04:34:50 PM
I'm not backing Pulis. I just assumed that he would do such a stupid thing at the last minute. He needs to explain to the fans his thinking. Everyone assumes he will keep Albion up even with the squad we have. But if the fans turn and the atmosphere at games is completely toxic no one could keep this week squad up.
Yep, even I didn't think he would be this stupid and sabotage the long-term prospects of the club. Then again, perhaps his thinking was that it would look worse if we signed a player for €18m and he didn't play because of his love-child Darren Fletcher.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:39:35 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 04:37:38 PM
How is that twisting the evidence?  The Malaga Sporting Director was very clear in that we didn't meet the release clause.  Now you're saying we did, but we didn't actually make the offer because, err, Pulis.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying we didn't meet the release clause because Pulis didn't want to sign him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 04:40:32 PM
I think the whole thing is a shambles and a blame game seems to be going on to deflect it away from each other.

IF and I am still not convinced Pulis is solely to blame for the Camacho deal going tits up it was Pulis then he needs to say why, not just the "footballing reasons" but explain why and actually "when" it all happened.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 04:40:52 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
It doesn't say that at all.  Mainly because you've chopped out a paragraph....

"That having been said, the one disappointment we suffered was not being able to add a further quality midfield player. "

Which draws a line under the previous statement about Pulis being selective.  Talk above selective editing.
I want the club to come out and tell us the truth about what happend. Who made what decisions  and when. Don't they think they need the supporters on side? They obviously don't think they need transfers so maybe they don't need us either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 04:42:57 PM
Quote from: bry on September 01, 2016, 04:40:52 PM
I want the club to come out and tell us the truth about what happend. Who made what decisions  and when. Don't they think they need the supporters on side? They obviously don't think they need transfers so maybe they don't need us either.

Totally agree.  It's all a bit murky and statements like the one given by the chairman today just add nothing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on September 01, 2016, 05:01:07 PM
TP needs to come out and release a statement, the powers that be know he isn't popular with the supporters and you can see how they are twisting the calamity onto him but unlike previous managers who also had to endure our transfer jokers he hasn't got a gagging clause ...... Yet
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 01, 2016, 05:01:59 PM
All reports said we were willing to pay 15M or w/e upfront and the 3M remaining they wanted to pay in installments. I don't get why the board will be okay with sticking TP with a player he doesn't want at 15M upfront but at 18M they decided it wasn't worth it.

I can see TP not liking him too much but his opinion couldn't have changed much due to just paying an extra 3m upfront.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2016, 05:14:06 PM
What I don't get is if TP identifies a list of players that he wants, how come the board have chased after a player that he isn't interested in?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 01, 2016, 05:15:13 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 04:11:36 PM
I've just read the official club statement from the chairman John Williams. It's official: we didn't sign Camacho because Pulis didn't want him. The money was there. That may be why reports in Spain suggest we didn't meet the buy-out clause.

I look forward to Tony Pulis' eventual departure, when we can start signing the best players for the club's future.

Would you trust Williams and his team to get the transfers over the line ?

No mention about our dire forward options and the Saido mess not being addressed in the window !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 01, 2016, 05:21:09 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on September 01, 2016, 05:15:13 PM
Would you trust Williams and his team to get the transfers over the line ?

No mention about our dire forward options and the Saido mess not being addressed in the window !

This statement is the beginning of the end for Pulis. It completely undermines him.

Wonder who the club will get next to sacrifice in the name of a few bob?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 01, 2016, 05:22:55 PM
Maybe Lai has been watching everything a lot closer than we think and can see his investment crumbling before him and is not very happy !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 05:24:02 PM
I think it might be the first time I've heard a crowd sing "sack the lot" instead of the manager  or sack the board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 05:24:57 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on September 01, 2016, 05:22:55 PM
Maybe Lai has been watching everything a lot closer than we think and can see his investment crumbling before him and is not very happy !
So what will he do and when?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nocky on September 01, 2016, 05:34:06 PM
Not a huge fan of Pulis but if he goes we will get relegated with this squad. The only way we will games is by grinding them out and Pulis is the master of that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: Nocky on September 01, 2016, 05:34:06 PM
Not a huge fan of Pulis but if he goes we will get relegated with this squad. The only way we will games is by grinding them out and Pulis is the master of that.
I can't understand why so many think we are nailed on to stay up? Has Pulis ever kept such a poor squad up against such a strong league? Other teams seem to me to be stronger than ever from top to bottom of the Premier league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on September 01, 2016, 06:01:21 PM
Quote
Pulis is the man most at fault for the squad being the way it is- lacking in balance and quality. The money has been there over the last four windows and he has refused to sign high quality targets from abroad in favour of poor value domestic alternatives. It's an archaic attitude from the dinosaur ages of football.

Why do people persist in trying to present their own take on events as being factual. Such statements are as annoying as papering-over-the-cracks statements from puppet chairmen.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nocky on September 01, 2016, 06:04:37 PM
Quote from: bry on September 01, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
I can't understand why so many think we are nailed on to stay up? Has Pulis ever kept such a poor squad up against such a strong league? Other teams seem to me to be stronger than ever from top to bottom of the Premier league.

I don't think we're nailed on at all. I just think he's got the best chance of doing it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 06:10:26 PM
Quote from: Xpresso on September 01, 2016, 06:01:21 PM
Why do people persist in trying to present their own take on events as being factual. Such statements are as annoying as papering-over-the-cracks statements from puppet chairmen.
It's my opinion, but there's strong evidence to support it. Pulis has had more control over transfers than any other Head Coach we've appointed. I think (though I haven't checked) that he's also spent more money than any previous Head Coach. With regards to not signing players from abroad, there's only one exception (Rondon), and it was the same in his (seven?) years at Stoke. It's widely acknowledged that players from the Premier League are overpriced- clubs won't sell to a Premier League rival without asking for a large premium unless the player is old, injury prone or can't get in the team - there is generally much greater value available on the continent. I think all of this is pretty strong evidence that Pulis should take a large share of the blame for the current balance and quality of our squad, after the last four transfer windows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on September 01, 2016, 06:57:33 PM
My take on the statement is that Pulis has till the end of the year to improve things and if not, we have money for a new coach to spend in January

Reading between the lines, particularly the Pulis is very selective statement, I take it to mean he turned down most os the options offered to him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 01, 2016, 07:00:25 PM
Rightly or wrongly the statement does seriously throw Pulis under the bus. His position is fast becoming untenable. Everyone knows I want him gone as much as the next man, but for him to be gone at the right time, I.e. When someone new has the position to sign his own players and improve on our squad lacking quality on the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 07:06:53 PM
Quote from: Nocky on September 01, 2016, 06:04:37 PM
I don't think we're nailed on at all. I just think he's got the best chance of doing it.

So out of the next 6 matches how many points do you think we will get with the team we have under Pulis?

Bournemouth A
West Ham H
Stoke A
Tottenham H
Liverpool A
Man City H

I think we will be lucky to get any more than 3 points with Pulis probably less under Pep or Mourinho. Good enough to stay up?
   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:11:33 PM
I feel sorry for him to be honest and wouldn't blame him if he resigned.

I don't like watching his brand of football but he has been let down appallingly by the administrators at this club. He made it clear he wanted five more signings and we could only provide him with two very uninspiring options. John Williams has put out a political statement which shifts the blame towards Pulis but for me, a large portion of the blame is with the club who seem to have shifted the goal-posts in particular with the Camacho deal.

He quite clearly wanted a central defender, midfielder and a forward and he has been given nothing.

He will now have to perform his best grinding out results job so we can accumulate enough points to stop up - what is for certain is that Pulis appears to be walking a very tight rope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 01, 2016, 07:14:11 PM
What self respecting manager will come to this club if they don't believe the club will make every effort to sign their players.

The only managers we'll be able to attract will be the Steve Clarkes and Alan Irvines of this world. I hope he doesn't resign because I don't know who'd we be able to get to replace him and keep this lot up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:14:49 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:11:33 PM
I feel sorry for him to be honest and wouldn't blame him if he resigned.

I don't like watching his brand of football but he has been let down appallingly by the administrators at this club. He made it clear he wanted five more signings and we could only provide him with two very uninspiring options. John Williams has put out a political statement which shifts the blame towards Pulis but for me, a large portion of the blame is with the club who seem to have shifted the goal-posts in particular with the Camacho deal.

He quite clearly wanted a central defender, midfielder and a forward and he has been given nothing.

He will now have to perform his best grinding out results job so we can accumulate enough points to stop up - what is for certain is that Pulis appears to be walking a very tight rope.
It was Pulis who cancelled the Camacho deal. If you refuse to sign players from the continent you limit yourself massively in terms of quality and variety of available players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on September 01, 2016, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: bry on September 01, 2016, 07:06:53 PM

So out of the next 6 matches how many points do you think we will get with the team we have under Pulis?

Bournemouth A
West Ham H
Stoke A
Tottenham H
Liverpool A
Man City H

My head says maybe 2 Bournemouth and WHU draws - heart wishes for 8 (wins v Bournemouth and WHU and draws v Stoke and Spuds)  maybe something in the middle (clutching at straws)

I think we will be lucky to get any more than 3 points with Pulis probably less under Pep or Mourinho. Good enough to stay up?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:14:49 PM
It was Pulis who cancelled the Camacho deal. If you refuse to sign players from the continent you limit yourself massively in terms of quality and variety of available players.

I don't buy that at all, I really don't.

I think its politics.

The fed line to Matt Wilson last night was made to cover the backs of the board and deflect all the frustration and anger towards Pulis who they will know is public enemy number one.

Albion say its footballing reasons, Spanish journalists stating we wouldn't pay the transfer fee in full.

I know which one I believe...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on September 01, 2016, 07:25:07 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:11:33 PM
I feel sorry for him to be honest and wouldn't blame him if he resigned.

I don't like watching his brand of football but he has been let down appallingly by the administrators at this club. He made it clear he wanted five more signings and we could only provide him with two very uninspiring options. John Williams has put out a political statement which shifts the blame towards Pulis but for me, a large portion of the blame is with the club who seem to have shifted the goal-posts in particular with the Camacho deal.

He quite clearly wanted a central defender, midfielder and a forward and he has been given nothing.

He will now have to perform his best grinding out results job so we can accumulate enough points to stop up - what is for certain is that Pulis appears to be walking a very tight rope.

I don't feel sorry for him at all. He seems to distrust foreign players, freezes out capable players and does not seem to have the man management skills to rehabilitate them and improve them. He is working within an EXTREMELY tight budget constraint which is questionable in todays premier league but served us well in the early days. He is paid handsomely to work within those constraints and get s a big bonus each year we stay up.

He does not help himself by not explaining what he is looking for to us fans. He is one dimensional a one trick pony and will probably be shown the door within 12 months.

This could be a long aaarrd season.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on September 01, 2016, 07:26:08 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:21:59 PM
I don't buy that at all, I really don't.

I think its politics.

The fed line to Matt Wilson last night was made to cover the backs of the board and deflect all the frustration and anger towards Pulis who they will know is public enemy number one.

Albion say its footballing reasons, Spanish journalists stating we wouldn't pay the transfer fee in full.

I know which one I believe...

Totally agree with you Liam.

- we have well documented discontented fans
- the football played is utter dog s*ite
- new owners, who aren't quite new owners, probably putting pressure on the recruitment team
- Williams rightfully concerned for his job

Seems clear to me that he's thrown Pulis under the bus. I'm very much looking forward to hearing his thoughts!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 01, 2016, 07:35:29 PM
 the only way i can see of getting out of this mess is a total clearing of the decks.i admit am no Pulis fan but like others on here feel he has been let down and then thrown  to the wolves(not them). Luckily for the suits this window closes during an international break so there wont be the weekly presser for TP to put his side of the story but the very fact that there are two very different stories surrounding the non transfer of Camacho suggest to me that something somewhere very close to this club is rotten and needs major surgery
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 01, 2016, 07:59:50 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:21:59 PM
I don't buy that at all, I really don't.

I think its politics.

The fed line to Matt Wilson last night was made to cover the backs of the board and deflect all the frustration and anger towards Pulis who they will know is public enemy number one.

Albion say its footballing reasons, Spanish journalists stating we wouldn't pay the transfer fee in full.

I know which one I believe...


Purely guesswork, but this is the way i think it went:

I think Pulis had targeted Carvalho, with Sporting being in a mess, I think they thought they could get him for about £21 million, with an absolute maximum of 25 million. All the loans & low cost signings were done to ensure that we had the £25 million for Carvalho. I also think that Pulis thought Jay Rodriguez was nailed on.
(Memo to TP -Never Assume it only makes an ass of  u  &   me). Camacho was a safety net, but only at £15 million, if Carvalho failed we'd go for Ulloa  & Camacho
So........................................they set a deadline of say 19:00 hours for Carvalho, but left the bid at £15million for Camacho.
By 19:00 it was obvious we were'nt going to get Carvalho (& especially when Leicester had to pay £29 million for Slimani), so we moved back to Camacho.
Malaga insisted on £18million, Pulis said he's not worth £18 million & in any case, I won't have funds for Ulloa, so I'll make do with Claudio Yacob.

If that hypotheis is correct, Matt Wilson & Malaga are both right, we did pull the plug & we wouldn't pay the £18 million
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:59:59 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:21:59 PM
I don't buy that at all, I really don't.

I think its politics.

The fed line to Matt Wilson last night was made to cover the backs of the board and deflect all the frustration and anger towards Pulis who they will know is public enemy number one.

Albion say its footballing reasons, Spanish journalists stating we wouldn't pay the transfer fee in full.

I know which one I believe...
Pulis not wanting Camacho is completely consistent with the last decade of his career with transfer dealings- Camacho is a player who would have been signed from abroad, has never previously played in England and is foreign. Pulis almost never signs this type of player.

Regarding your final sentence - if we never paid the release clause, it's precisely because Pulis didn't want Camacho. There is nothing inconsistent between the statements of the two clubs and the statement that Pulis vetoed the signing. The club had money to spend and were seemingly more than happy to spend it on Camacho. If Pulis comes out and says he wanted Camacho then fair enough, I'll have been shown to be wrong - but I'm fairly confident this is correct.

None of this means that I think the club should take no blame at all - we needed more signings, so I don't understand why other strikers weren't targeted earlier in the window, for instance (although again, this could be Pulis- throughout his whole career he has tended to leave signings until the last day of the window). My larger point is that if you refuse to sign players from abroad, as Pulis has done throughout his whole career (minus a couple of notable exceptions), you hugely limit the quality you can bring in to the club. This is the reason why Pulis' philosophy is incompatible with that of a modern day Premier League club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on September 01, 2016, 08:37:15 PM
This is all a ploy by pulis for him to be the saviour and 'unsackable'....

Many of you are already saying hes the only man that can save this crop of players....

Maybe he rejected camacho to make sure he has a job all season!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: petjob on September 01, 2016, 08:54:12 PM
The tragedy is that Pulis has not only alienated the fans because of  his type of football he has also caused football writers and football fans in general to dislike our club.

 A club that was much loved by all of the football world for our style of play and good house-keeping.

One only has to listen to 'Bomber' Tony Browns on match day commentary it is heart breaking for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 08:58:41 PM
I don't think Pulis rejected Comacho, I think WBA would not activate the release clause by paying the extra €3million; hence the Spanish press saying that, and The Chairman saying they 'couldn't get a late deal over the line'.

I think Pulis rejected the mystery player before Comacho for 'footballing reasons'. Now if things were in place and not all last minute, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.

I just hope a press guy asks what player was rejected for 'football reasons' and what deal could the club not get over the line'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 09:08:50 PM
I didnt listen to all the transfer coverage, but I cant remember any statements on local radio/ press, SKY or WBA for that matter saying "A fee has been agreed for player x" Can anybody?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2016, 09:09:50 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:21:59 PM
I don't buy that at all, I really don't.

I think its politics.

The fed line to Matt Wilson last night was made to cover the backs of the board and deflect all the frustration and anger towards Pulis who they will know is public enemy number one.

Albion say its footballing reasons, Spanish journalists stating we wouldn't pay the transfer fee in full.

I know which one I believe...

Can't see that.
If what you say is true then Pulis is in effect being made a scapegoat. He'd have no option but to walk.
To me if the reason is as its said 'footballing reasons' then the ball is firmly and squarely with Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 09:11:47 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 01, 2016, 09:09:50 PM
Can't see that.
If what you say is true then Pulis is in effect being made a scapegoat. He'd have no option but to walk.
To me if the reason is as its said 'footballing reasons' then the ball is firmly and squarely with Pulis.

But which player was rejected for footballing reasons?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 09:12:14 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 01, 2016, 09:09:50 PM
Can't see that.
If what you say is true then Pulis is in effect being made a scapegoat. He'd have no option but to walk.
To me if the reason is as its said 'footballing reasons' then the ball is firmly and squarely with Pulis.

So what about the statement from the Malaga Sporting Director who claims we never met the release fee ?

As with most things the truth may be somewhere in the middle but I think its closer to the suits than the tracksuit given our previous history in the windows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Groovephil on September 01, 2016, 09:17:27 PM
Given the state of our squad i reckon the only manager who could keep them up is Pulis.

Talk about irony.

I hope he keeps us and we move on quickly next summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 09:20:56 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 09:12:14 PM
So what about the statement from the Malaga Sporting Director who claims we never met the release fee ?

As with most things the truth may be somewhere in the middle but I think its closer to the suits than the tracksuit given our previous history in the windows.
We didn't pay the release fee because Pulis didn't want Camacho.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2016, 09:21:59 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 09:12:14 PM
So what about the statement from the Malaga Sporting Director who claims we never met the release fee ?

As with most things the truth may be somewhere in the middle but I think its closer to the suits than the tracksuit given our previous history in the windows.

Or another report that said the player had already said his good byes to the players and friends at the club.
Would he have done that if he believed he was staying at Sporting (unless his middle name is Odemwingie)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bradleysrocket on September 01, 2016, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on September 01, 2016, 08:37:15 PM
This is all a ploy by pulis for him to be the saviour and 'unsackable'....

Many of you are already saying hes the only man that can save this crop of players....

Maybe he rejected camacho to make sure he has a job all season!
Why though? If he was sacked tomorrow he'd still be getting paid. That hypothesis makes no sense, a bit like our deadline day strategy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 09:23:38 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 09:20:56 PM
We didn't pay the release fee because Pulis didn't want Camacho.

Why would they have made an offer in the first place of they knew Pulis didnt want him?

And why would you wait till the very last day to ask Pulis of he wanted him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2016, 09:24:56 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 09:12:14 PM
So what about the statement from the Malaga Sporting Director who claims we never met the release fee ?

As with most things the truth may be somewhere in the middle but I think its closer to the suits than the tracksuit given our previous history in the windows.
Both are probably correct  ;)

As a club we agreed to offer the release fee but never put in the bid as it was decided not to for "footballing reasons". (The bloke knows how to play football and would have embarrassed the rest of the club  ;D)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 01, 2016, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 09:23:38 PM
Why would they have made an offer in the first place of they knew Pulis didnt want him?
my thoughts exactly, who's doing the recruiting? its not good if we are trying to buy players the head coach doesn't want. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2016, 09:31:11 PM
His Bournemouth pre match press conference should be interesting.
I also wonder when he will start calling the new owner Mr Lai instead of Jeremy and the Chinese?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 01, 2016, 09:21:59 PM
Or another report that said the player had already said his good byes to the players and friends at the club.
Would he have done that if he believed he was staying at Sporting (unless his middle name is Odemwingie)

He did also tell the club he wanted to leave but as the fee wasn't met not much he could do but stay. No bloke with a dog telling him to travel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion70 on September 01, 2016, 09:35:46 PM
That has been bugging me as well.

I find it rude and very disrespectful when pulis says "the chinese" for our new owner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 09:37:03 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2016, 09:24:56 PM
Both are probably correct  ;)

As a club we agreed to offer the release fee but never put in the bid as it was decided not to for "footballing reasons". (The bloke knows how to play football and would have embarrassed the rest of the club  ;D)

We can agree to anything but if you don't actually do it then you get nowhere, unfortunately we do not know when the "footballing reasons" came into play but if we do not meet a release fee then those "football reasons" are a very nice excuse for someone to pass the buck especially when that buck is being passed onto an already unpopular head coach.

Unfortunately we will never know the truth as when Pulis does go he will have to sign the good mold confidentiality clause to make sure he gets his payoff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2016, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 09:34:25 PM
He did also tell the club he wanted to leave but as the fee wasn't met not much he could do but stay. No bloke with a dog telling him to travel.
:D (due to be removed for being pointless and breaking rules but)
 :D :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2016, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 09:37:03 PM
We can agree to anything but if you don't actually do it then you get nowhere, unfortunately we do not know when the "footballing reasons" came into play but if we do not meet a release fee then those "football reasons" are a very nice excuse for someone to pass the buck especially when that buck is being passed onto an already unpopular head coach.

Unfortunately we will never know the truth as when Pulis does go he will have to sign the good mold confidentiality clause to make sure he gets his payoff.
But you understand the point? The man with the money, he say yes! (Kind of like agreeing a mortgage with the bank but then not putting the bid in to the vendor because your missus thinks the door is the wrong colour.)
Like many things about the club, I guess we will never really know and people will just speculate on forums like this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 01, 2016, 09:45:21 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:11:33 PM
I feel sorry for him to be honest and wouldn't blame him if he resigned.

I don't like watching his brand of football but he has been let down appallingly by the administrators at this club. He made it clear he wanted five more signings and we could only provide him with two very uninspiring options. John Williams has put out a political statement which shifts the blame towards Pulis but for me, a large portion of the blame is with the club who seem to have shifted the goal-posts in particular with the Camacho deal.

He quite clearly wanted a central defender, midfielder and a forward and he has been given nothing.

He will now have to perform his best grinding out results job so we can accumulate enough points to stop up - what is for certain is that Pulis appears to be walking a very tight rope.
That sums it up very well for me too... I would add that under the terms that Peace hired him he was always going to be on a hiding to nothing eventually, since he has no further backing having achieved Peace's goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 09:48:52 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2016, 09:44:23 PM
But you understand the point? The man with the money, he say yes! (Kind of like agreeing a mortgage with the bank but then not putting the bid in to the vendor because your missus thinks the door is the wrong colour.)
Like many things about the club, I guess we will never really know and people will just speculate on forums like this.

I understand it yes but just because the man with the money say yes doesn't mean he means it and goes through with it in the way its expected, this is the Albion and as we have seen a number of times nothing seems to run smoothly when it comes to transfer deals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 01, 2016, 09:48:58 PM
Quote from: albion70 on September 01, 2016, 09:35:46 PM
That has been bugging me as well.

I find it rude and very disrespectful when pulis says "the chinese" for our new owner.
Bit rude and disrespectful of you, calling our manager pulis, instead of Mr Pulis or Tony Pulis. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 09:56:28 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 09:23:38 PM
Why would they have made an offer in the first place of they knew Pulis didnt want him?

And why would you wait till the very last day to ask Pulis of he wanted him?
Because Pulis changed his mind at the last minute. That's been widely reported since yesterday evening.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 09:59:58 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 09:56:28 PM
Because Pulis changed his mind at the last minute. That's been widely reported since yesterday evening.
Pulis changed his mind or we didn't bid enough to meet the release clause? Take your pick with your own bias in mind, reminds me of the referendum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 01, 2016, 10:01:27 PM
If reports came out that West Brom pulled the offer for Camacho and then went in for say James McCarthy at the last minute than I can more easily believe that TP nix the deal to get someone else.

Football reasons to me just screams in excuse the board make when they don't want to admit finances played a part. Like I don't think the difference between paying 15M up front and 3 M in payments and 18M upfront will cause Tony to decide he doesn't want him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 10:03:37 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 09:56:28 PM
Because Pulis changed his mind at the last minute. That's been widely reported since yesterday evening.

Where? I haven't seen any reports saying that.

I've heard a report and statement saying he rejected a player for footballing reasons, but it didn't say who it was.

If it was indeed Comacho then I totally agree with you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 10:05:49 PM
So what does this mean then?

http://www.football-espana.net/60807/malaga-camacho-stays-isco-door-remains-open
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 01, 2016, 10:06:17 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 10:03:37 PM
Where? I haven't seen any reports saying that.

I've heard a report and statement saying he rejected a player for footballing reasons, but it didn't say who it was.

If it was indeed Comacho then I totally agree with you.
The Albion Express and Star and Birmingham Mail reporters tweeted he did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 10:07:25 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 01, 2016, 10:06:17 PM
The Albion Express and Star and Birmingham Mail reporters tweeted he did.
"We received an offer from England for Camacho, it is true," said the Sporting Director, alluding to the rumoured West Brom approach.

"We asked that the release clause was met, and it was not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 01, 2016, 10:08:23 PM
Quote from: bry on September 01, 2016, 10:07:25 PM
"We received an offer from England for Camacho, it is true," said the Sporting Director, alluding to the rumoured West Brom approach.

"We asked that the release clause was met, and it was not.

So who's telling the truth?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 01, 2016, 10:01:27 PM
If reports came out that West Brom pulled the offer for Camacho and then went in for say James McCarthy at the last minute than I can more easily believe that TP nix the deal to get someone else.

Football reasons to me just screams in excuse the board make when they don't want to admit finances played a part. Like I don't think the difference between paying 15M up front and 3 M in payments and 18M upfront will cause Tony to decide he doesn't want him.

The other way round would make more sense to me, the board pushing for McCarthy, Pulis saying no, then the Comacho release clause not being met.

1) The board tried to add quality = true
2) Pulis saying no = true
3) Spanish reports saying clause not met = true

Don't have to be McCarthy just a player that would beat our transfer record.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2016, 10:09:36 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 01, 2016, 10:08:23 PM
So who's telling the truth?
Everybody.   ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 10:09:41 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 01, 2016, 10:08:23 PM
So who's telling the truth?
The 3 Million Euro question!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 10:11:39 PM
Quote from: bry on September 01, 2016, 10:07:25 PM
"We received an offer from England for Camacho, it is true," said the Sporting Director, alluding to the rumoured West Brom approach.

"We asked that the release clause was met, and it was not.

That just says the release clause wasn't met.

What I'm saying is where have you read Pulis didnt want Comacho for footballing reasons?

Sorry that was a question answering Signor Maresca.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 10:14:13 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 10:11:39 PM
That just says the release clause wasn't met.

What I'm saying is where have you read Pulis didnt want Comacho for footballing reasons?
I'm on your side. There are just statements that don't all marry up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: bry on September 01, 2016, 10:14:13 PM
I'm on your side. There are just statements that don't all marry up.

Maybe it's just the left handvdont know what the right hand is doing,,,, too many chiefs and not enough Indians,,, too many cooks spoil the broth blah blah
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 01, 2016, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 10:09:03 PM
The other way round would make more sense to me, the board pushing for McCarthy, Pulis saying no, then the Comacho release clause not being met.

1) The board tried to add quality = true
2) Pulis saying no = true
3) Spanish reports saying clause not met = true

Don't have to be McCarthy just a player that would beat our transfer record.

That does make some sense to me when I think about it. I just wonder how the blame games will go going forward but I think TP will look ok coming out of this and get a decent job next year if he pleases.

Not sure the board can attract a very good manager with the way they are handling stuff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 10:18:44 PM
I wonder who suggested Chadli? Pulis or a  Member of the board ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 01, 2016, 10:19:06 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 01, 2016, 10:01:27 PM
If reports came out that West Brom pulled the offer for Camacho and then went in for say James McCarthy at the last minute than I can more easily believe that TP nix the deal to get someone else.

Football reasons to me just screams in excuse the board make when they don't want to admit finances played a part. Like I don't think the difference between paying 15M up front and 3 M in payments and 18M upfront will cause Tony to decide he doesn't want him.

If reports came out that West Brom pulled the offer for Camacho and then went in for say James McCarthy at the last minute than I can more easily believe that TP nix the deal to get someone else.

Now that I believe
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 10:03:37 PM
Where? I haven't seen any reports saying that.

I've heard a report and statement saying he rejected a player for footballing reasons, but it didn't say who it was.

If it was indeed Comacho then I totally agree with you.
It was Camacho.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 10:25:59 PM
The Guardian website is just the latest source of this being the case. We were prepared the pay for Camacho, Pulis vetoed deal, and so we went for Carvalho instead who we were never likely to sign.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/01/tony-pulis-relationship-with-west-brom-board-deteriorates-over-transfers?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1472762169

"The relationship between West Bromwich Albion’s board and Tony Pulis is deteriorating on the back of a frustrating and disappointing transfer window that prompted John Williams, the club’s chairman, to issue a statement that appears to highlight a lack of unity at the top.

With many Albion supporters left thoroughly underwhelmed after the window closed with the club adding only Allan Nyom and Hal Robson-Kanu to a thin and ageing squad on deadline day, Williams sought to explain their transfer activity and in doing so implied that a club-record deal for a midfielder – understood to be Malaga’s Ignacio Camacho – fell through because Pulis decided that he did not want that player. There was also a pointed reference to the fact that Pulis wanted five players and Albion delivered that quantity.

Whether the head coach is entirely happy with those players and Albion’s outlay in the window is another matter, and it remains to be seen what impact the club’s summer recruitment – Matty Phillips, Nacer Chadli, a club-record signing, and Brendan Galloway are the other new faces – will have on his position in the short-term.

Pulis must decide if he is prepared to take on the challenge of what threatens to be a long season with a squad that looks desperately short of firepower up front and lacks a dynamic presence in central midfield. William Carvalho would have solved the latter problem, but Albion failed in their attempt to sign the Portugal international from Sporting Lisbon on deadline day after aborting an attempt to sign Camacho.

In his statement, Williams said: “Our head coach Tony Pulis is very selective and particular about the players he recruits so it follows that the new team members will add significantly to his first-team options. Tony wanted five and we got five.

“That having been said, the one disappointment we suffered was not being able to add a further quality midfield player. We were a long way down the road with a deal, which for the second time in the window would have broken the club transfer record, thanks to the ongoing support of Jeremy Peace [the majority shareholder] and Guochuan Lai [the club’s prospective new owner]. But it was decided for footballing reasons not to pursue this. Despite it being late in the window, we decided to pursue another high-quality target. Unfortunately, we were not able to get the deal over the line.”"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on September 01, 2016, 10:35:51 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/706390/Exclusive-Tony-Pulis-considering-future-at-West-Brom-Premier-League-Football-News-Gossip
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 01, 2016, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 10:25:59 PM
The Guardian website is just the latest source of this being the case. We were prepared the pay for Camacho, Pulis went vetoed deal, and so we went for Carvalho instead who we were never likely to sign.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/01/tony-pulis-relationship-with-west-brom-board-deteriorates-over-transfers?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1472762169

"The relationship between West Bromwich Albion’s board and Tony Pulis is deteriorating on the back of a frustrating and disappointing transfer window that prompted John Williams, the club’s chairman, to issue a statement that appears to highlight a lack of unity at the top.

With many Albion supporters left thoroughly underwhelmed after the window closed with the club adding only Allan Nyom and Hal Robson-Kanu to a thin and ageing squad on deadline day, Williams sought to explain their transfer activity and in doing so implied that a club-record deal for a midfielder – understood to be Malaga’s Ignacio Camacho – fell through because Pulis decided that he did not want that player. There was also a pointed reference to the fact that Pulis wanted five players and Albion delivered that quantity.

Whether the head coach is entirely happy with those players and Albion’s outlay in the window is another matter, and it remains to be seen what impact the club’s summer recruitment – Matty Phillips, Nacer Chadli, a club-record signing, and Brendan Galloway are the other new faces – will have on his position in the short-term.

Pulis must decide if he is prepared to take on the challenge of what threatens to be a long season with a squad that looks desperately short of firepower up front and lacks a dynamic presence in central midfield. William Carvalho would have solved the latter problem, but Albion failed in their attempt to sign the Portugal international from Sporting Lisbon on deadline day after aborting an attempt to sign Camacho.

In his statement, Williams said: “Our head coach Tony Pulis is very selective and particular about the players he recruits so it follows that the new team members will add significantly to his first-team options. Tony wanted five and we got five.

“That having been said, the one disappointment we suffered was not being able to add a further quality midfield player. We were a long way down the road with a deal, which for the second time in the window would have broken the club transfer record, thanks to the ongoing support of Jeremy Peace [the majority shareholder] and Guochuan Lai [the club’s prospective new owner]. But it was decided for footballing reasons not to pursue this. Despite it being late in the window, we decided to pursue another high-quality target. Unfortunately, we were not able to get the deal over the line.”"

Just read that myself bud,then that is bizzare on TP's part.

Unreal in fact.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 10:37:44 PM
Quote from: wbarenno on September 01, 2016, 10:35:51 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/706390/Exclusive-Tony-Pulis-considering-future-at-West-Brom-Premier-League-Football-News-Gossip
"A deal for Malaga's Ignacio Camacho also collapsed, although director of football Nick Hammond was pushing that move rather than Pulis which would serve to highlight apparent tensions in their relationship."

How many sources need to quote this before people accept that Pulis vetoed the Camacho signing? Primarily because he's foreign
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on September 01, 2016, 10:43:59 PM
I think tomorrow is the day that pulis leaves our club. Think will be mutual consent
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 10:46:18 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/706390/Exclusive-Tony-Pulis-considering-future-at-West-Brom-Premier-League-Football-News-Gossip

I can't make up my mind what is a bigger mess. Pulis staying or Pulis going?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommi on September 01, 2016, 10:52:24 PM
If the articles are true, ultimately he is going to leave very soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 01, 2016, 10:56:36 PM
Someone else said it and I think it's very true that the best person to get a survival season out of his squad is Pulis.

I'd get him to do his thing until December, appoint the new manager then (hopefully with 20 points on the board) and give the new guy a month to assess people, so that we can get 2 or 3 first teamers in in Jan.

No chance is Pulis here the start of next season, but if he leaves now, we may be in some stick?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 01, 2016, 11:02:25 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 01, 2016, 07:59:59 PM
Pulis not wanting Camacho is completely consistent with the last decade of his career with transfer dealings- Camacho is a player who would have been signed from abroad, has never previously played in England and is foreign. Pulis almost never signs this type of player.

Regarding your final sentence - if we never paid the release clause, it's precisely because Pulis didn't want Camacho. There is nothing inconsistent between the statements of the two clubs and the statement that Pulis vetoed the signing. The club had money to spend and were seemingly more than happy to spend it on Camacho. If Pulis comes out and says he wanted Camacho then fair enough, I'll have been shown to be wrong - but I'm fairly confident this is correct.

None of this means that I think the club should take no blame at all - we needed more signings, so I don't understand why other strikers weren't targeted earlier in the window, for instance (although again, this could be Pulis- throughout his whole career he has tended to leave signings until the last day of the window). My larger point is that if you refuse to sign players from abroad, as Pulis has done throughout his whole career (minus a couple of notable exceptions), you hugely limit the quality you can bring in to the club. This is the reason why Pulis' philosophy is incompatible with that of a modern day Premier League club.
Whilst everyone's views on this are conjecture, the above seems the most plausible analysis of what happened to me. I find it hard to believe that it was another player, rather than Camacho, who was rejected for "footballing reasons". I also can't accept that we then went after Camacho after rejecting said mystery player. After all, we were first being linked with Camacho on Aug 28th and it was Aug 29th when Matt Wilson tweeted: "£15m fee has been agreed, but all aspects of deal yet to be agreed". It had all the hallmarks of a deal that could be comfortably sorted out by the time the window closed, but then "footballing reasons" intervened on deadline day.

What's really needed is for a local journo to put Pulis on the spot about the player who didn't come for "footballing reasons", but you don't really get probing questions being asked by them anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 01, 2016, 11:09:24 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 01, 2016, 11:02:25 PM
Whilst everyone's views on this are conjecture, the above seems the most plausible analysis of what happened to me. I find it hard to believe that it was another player, rather than Camacho, who was rejected for "footballing reasons". I also can't accept that we then went after Camacho after rejecting said mystery player. After all, we were first being linked with Camacho on Aug 28th and it was Aug 29th when Matt Wilson tweeted: "£15m fee has been agreed, but all aspects of deal yet to be agreed". It had all the hallmarks of a deal that could be comfortably sorted out by the time the window closed, but then "footballing reasons" intervened on deadline day.

What's really needed is for a local journo to put Pulis on the spot about the player who didn't come for "footballing reasons", but you don't really get probing questions being asked by them anymore.
If this is true and Pulis is so culpable for the lack of signings and this is his track record with us why is the club keeping his services?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dangerman on September 01, 2016, 11:11:29 PM
I've had a long hard think before I commented too much but I think it's time pulis stepped aside.

He is dividing fans on his style of football and he in my opinion is mostly to blame for last nights fiasco.

Get on the phone to mr hodgson for the remainder of the season. Then reassess in the summer.

This season is a wrote off already!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 01, 2016, 11:20:11 PM
Quote from: bry on September 01, 2016, 11:09:24 PM
If this is true and Pulis is so culpable for the lack of signings and this is his track record with us why is the club keeping his services?
One possible explanation for this is because we're largely in no man's land due to the ongoing takeover situation. It would be difficult for Peace to have sacked Pulis when he knew the sale was going through and then announce he was selling the club soon afterwards. On the other hand, Lai doesn't control the club yet, so can't impose himself on things at present.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on September 01, 2016, 11:22:58 PM
I have come to the conclusion that they are all pri*ks that are running OUR beloved club. They all fiddle about while Rome burns. About time the local journalists earn their money and start to ask proper questions about what had really gone on. Pointless getting rid of Pulis now, but he will probably walk,so what happens next ? Oh and our chairman looks a right d@ck as well, needs to sort his mathematics out tw@t !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on September 01, 2016, 11:35:05 PM
Quote from: Tony Goddens Gloves on September 01, 2016, 11:22:58 PM
I have come to the conclusion that they are all pri*ks that are running OUR beloved club. They all fiddle about while Rome burns. About time the local journalists earn their money and start to ask proper questions about what had really gone on. Pointless getting rid of Pulis now, but he will probably walk,so what happens next ? Oh and our chairman looks a right d@ck as well, needs to sort his mathematics out tw@t !

Agree. I think he will walk, I think his statement of I want 5 quality players and getting what he got will be part if his reasoning to go, by Williams statement I also think the club are prepared for him to walk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Vassassin on September 02, 2016, 12:01:48 AM
I think Pulis is gone, he knows it and the club has just not decided when they will drop the axe. TP is limited to only one game plan and buying players that do not fit his system is just a waste of resources. No matter who we bought in this window how would they go about displacing the current crop of first choice players (when they are fit) that TP has unwavering belief in that they will not get him relegated? I believe that TP's viewpoint is: Our goalkeepers, Foster & Myhill are about as good as each so no problem there. LB is Brunt's position, CB are Evans & McAuley, RB is Dawson, CMs are Fletcher & Yacob, AM is Morrison and CF is Rondon. Utility is Gardner, either starting or on the bench. I cannot see the arrival of anyone dislodging any of these 10 players from TP's plans. The two (or one)  remaining position(s) could be anyone's. The only requirement is that they support the full back on their side. With such a narrow approach, I believe that when the takeover is finally rubber stamped massive changes will occur as 6 of the 10 will be past it for the new manager. Very disappointed, but glass still somehow half full.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 02, 2016, 12:51:03 AM
At this point Tony will look after his reputation and I don't see him quitting. He'll try to finish the year as well as possible to set up his next job at Swansa or whichever mid level PL club needs a solid coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 02, 2016, 03:03:57 AM
Who will take over this mess and do you honestly think this board can find a new manager? we won't pay compensation and we need someone who's out of work...
I am sure we can find a number 2 who cant manage that we can coax away...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 02, 2016, 05:09:33 AM
As i said, criticise the board and out goes the manager. Expect a coach as thrilling as Nyom or HRK, thats how we do business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 02, 2016, 05:55:59 AM
TP considering his future after the transfer window apparently


http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/706390/Exclusive-Tony-Pulis-considering-future-at-West-Brom-Premier-League-Football-News-Gossip (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/706390/Exclusive-Tony-Pulis-considering-future-at-West-Brom-Premier-League-Football-News-Gossip)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 02, 2016, 06:31:38 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 02, 2016, 05:55:59 AM
TP considering his future after the transfer window apparently


http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/706390/Exclusive-Tony-Pulis-considering-future-at-West-Brom-Premier-League-Football-News-Gossip (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/706390/Exclusive-Tony-Pulis-considering-future-at-West-Brom-Premier-League-Football-News-Gossip)

Reminds me of my daughter.
She makes a mess, walks away and leaves it for someone else to clean up.
But then again she's only 3
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 02, 2016, 06:41:57 AM
Seems like the appalling window has widened any cracks between Pulis and the owners (of either owning party ?) with the very strange Williams' spin statement seeming hanging the manager out to dry.
Add to this Pulis stating he wanted five more quality players in and it doesn't take much to put two and two together.

Throw in the fans unrest and the appalling attendances to start the season and it appears that things are coming to boil.

Tone's next press conference could be interesting if the journos push him. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 02, 2016, 06:46:55 AM
Quote from: AlbionBest on September 02, 2016, 06:41:57 AM
Seems like the appalling window has widened any cracks between Pulis and the owners (of either owning party ?) with the very strange Williams' spin statement seeming hanging the manager out to dry.
Add to this Pulis stating he wanted five more quality players in and it doesn't take much to put two and two together.

Throw in the fans unrest and the appalling attendances to start the season and it appears that things are coming to boil.

Tone's next press conference could be interesting if the journos push him.

If there is a next press conference!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on September 02, 2016, 06:49:50 AM
Journos won't push him. That lot haven't the balls to ask him proper questions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 02, 2016, 07:05:51 AM
If he does walk , the club engineered it so that there was no time for a new manager to come in and buy players. That's a mess and very cynical and not the first time we've done it.

Pulis lost my support over the summer but the time to replace sensibly has been and gone until next summer in my view . The club is a mess from the outside looking in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on September 02, 2016, 07:20:55 AM
Quote from: darbolina on September 02, 2016, 07:05:51 AM
If he does walk , the club engineered it so that there was no time for a new manager to come in and buy players. That's a mess and very cynical and not the first time we've done it.

Pulis lost my support over the summer but the time to replace sensibly has been and gone until next summer in my view . The club is a mess from the outside looking in.

Tend to agree with this view. I have grown very disenchanted with the way Albion are functioning.

Very disappointing transfer window, Chadli apart the incoming players look bang average at best and it's really hard to be optimistic.

If the board wanted rid of TP they should have jettisoned him a couple of months back, if they don't want rid they should have backed him.

Personally I want rid, but not at this stage of the season and certainly not with an incoming manager/coach being lumbered with the disjointed, unbalanced rag bag of a squad we have now.

Unless something dramatic and surprising happens now I can't see anything ahead but a long hard slog of a season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 02, 2016, 07:27:39 AM
I don't think the squad is as bad as people make out. Think we are 1 striker and 1 midfielder away from being a very decent team. Certainly don't buy into the idea that only Pulis can work with this squad.

With the way Pulis freezes out players and inhibits them, I think this squad could be even better without Pulis.

Imagine this. Entertain this crazy thought for a second....


Berahino playing off the last man!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on September 02, 2016, 07:32:40 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on September 02, 2016, 07:27:39 AM
I don't think the squad is as bad as people make out. Think we are 1 striker and 1 midfielder away from being a very decent team. Certainly don't buy into the idea that only Pulis can work with this squad.

With the way Pulis freezes out players and inhibits them, I think this squad could be even better without Pulis.

Imagine this. Entertain this crazy thought for a second....


Berahino playing off the last man!

And Rondom?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on September 02, 2016, 07:34:55 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on September 02, 2016, 07:27:39 AM
I don't think the squad is as bad as people make out. Think we are 1 striker and 1 midfielder away from being a very decent team. Certainly don't buy into the idea that only Pulis can work with this squad.

With the way Pulis freezes out players and inhibits them, I think this squad could be even better without Pulis.

Imagine this. Entertain this crazy thought for a second....


Berahino playing off the last man!

I applaud your optimism and really truly hope your sunny outlook is justified.

However I do have a question. Regarding Berahino playing off the last man, are you thinking of the Berahino we thought we might have or the Berahino we actually do have?  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on September 02, 2016, 08:24:34 AM
Well we always said if we had a bad window he might walk but really the statements from the club are what might push him. Only thing keeping him might be his own reputation because of what happened at Palace- it might put future chairmen off him. But if he thinks we are going to get relegated, he won't want that on his CV either.

Who knows. Doesn't sound like the best relationship from the outside looking in.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 02, 2016, 08:25:01 AM
After the Chairmanship statement if I was Pulis I would say 'back me or sack me'. I feel he will not be here come next weekend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 02, 2016, 08:29:28 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on September 02, 2016, 07:27:39 AM
I don't think the squad is as bad as people make out. Think we are 1 striker and 1 midfielder away from being a very decent team. Certainly don't buy into the idea that only Pulis can work with this squad.

With the way Pulis freezes out players and inhibits them, I think this squad could be even better without Pulis.

Imagine this. Entertain this crazy thought for a second....


Berahino playing off the last man!
totally agree with this, 1 quality striker and midfielder and we have a decent team.
problem is will we buy quality?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 02, 2016, 08:33:46 AM
If he does go will the missing supporters return? It takes time for a new manager to install a new style of play so it will be the Pulis style for a while but without Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on September 02, 2016, 08:38:26 AM
I have seen many people blame Garlick, Jenkins, Peace, Williams and Hammond.......I'm afraid the blame lies firmly with Tony Pullis.
When he was appointed the structure that we had in place was changed....meaning every player signed could only be authorized by him. If Hammond or Garlick presented him with a player HE didn't want then we wouldn't have signed them. This is unlike previous head coaches who have had a limited input on signings.

 I personally believe he will be gone very soon indeed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 02, 2016, 08:40:08 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on September 02, 2016, 08:33:46 AM
If he does go will the missing supporters return? It takes time for a new manager to install a new style of play so it will be the Pulis style for a while but without Pulis.

I don't get the 'new style of play' mullarky.
The first 20 minutes against Everton they couldn't get near us then unexplicably we decided to go on the retreat.
This team can play when they get it into their heads, the secret is getting them to believe that themselves.
I also agree to a point with the posters that say were just short of a quality striker and a midfielder.
If we could have added Slimani and Comacho/Carvalho to the team we wouldn't be having this debate now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 02, 2016, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on September 02, 2016, 08:38:26 AM
I have seen many people blame Garlick, Jenkins, Peace, Williams and Hammond.......I'm afraid the blame lies firmly with Tony Pullis.
When he was appointed the structure that we had in place was changed....meaning every player signed could only be authorized by him. If Hammond or Garlick presented him with a player HE didn't want then we wouldn't have signed them. This is unlike previous head coaches who have had a limited input on signings.

 I personally believe he will be gone very soon indeed.

Agree 100%. Let's hope he's gone soon. It will remove the toxic atmosphere within the club and give everyone a bit of hope.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 02, 2016, 08:43:46 AM
If Pulis does go, prepare yourselves for having to continually justify the clubs decision and whenever an outsider suggests that whenever a club sack a survival specialist it means relegation, remind them of this.

Pulis/Stoke
Allardyce/West Ham

Both clubs gone on to better things.

The Blackburn situation, it wasn't sacking Allardyce that got them relegated, it was replacing him with Kean that did that.

Likewise if Pulis leaves or is sacked. An incorrect appointment in the mould of Clarke, Mel or Irvine would send us the way of Blackburn.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 02, 2016, 08:45:37 AM
I think we have to be prepared for the reality that it's going to get worse before it gets better - with or without Pulis this season is going to be tough, it's going to be a grind and it's going to be really, really dull.

I hope once Pulis has gone (I think it's pretty much nailed on now that he will be some time in the next few months) we put a plan in place that we as supporters can buy into and believe in again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 02, 2016, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 02, 2016, 08:40:08 AM
I don't get the 'new style of play' mullarky.
The first 20 minutes against Everton they couldn't get near us then unexplicably we decided to go on the retreat.
This team can play when they get it into their heads, the secret is getting them to believe that themselves.
I also agree to a point with the posters that say were just short of a quality striker and a midfielder.
If we could have added Slimani and Comacho/Carvalho to the team we wouldn't be having this debate now
I said new style of play cause that is what the stay away fans want a different style of play than Pulis's. Well that is what the  stay away's say. Two of the comments that I remember are, " not going again cant watch this s**t" I am not stepping inside the Hawthorns as long as Pulis's is manager" .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 02, 2016, 08:49:35 AM
I think intentional or not the club have created a situation which is difficult for Pulis.

If it was intentional and got to the stage where they wont sack him but he has to walk then thats out of order, said it before back him or sack him, the time has past for both of those things.

As somebody says above, if he walks it dont look great on his CV that he has done that two jobs running but if he stays for the sake of it, isnt happy with the players we got and we end up getting relegated then the one shining light on his CV of 'Never been relegated' goes too which is what he is known for.

I have a feeling probably by end of September / early October he will be gone and we will replace him with a bloke has premier league experience mainly in relegation scraps, lives local and is available - Steve Bruce. (I do not want that by the way!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 02, 2016, 08:54:33 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 02, 2016, 08:45:37 AM
I think we have to be prepared for the reality that it's going to get worse before it gets better - with or without Pulis this season is going to be tough, it's going to be a grind and it's going to be really, really dull.

I hope once Pulis has gone (I think it's pretty much nailed on now that he will be some time in the next few months) we put a plan in place that we as supporters can buy into and believe in again.
Spend all the money we saved this window on a top class manager. No out of work has-beens or cheap as chips no.2's. A proper manager, with a decent track record and more than one game plan.
We are always saying "he wouldn't come here", well money talks, time for the new owners to put theirs where their mouth is and build from the top down.
Pulis is a bottom 6 manager so, if we have any ambition, he has to go. There'll never be a good time, that's what he relies on, bite the bullet and take a risk.
This takeover should be a new dawn, not a false one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 02, 2016, 08:58:03 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on September 02, 2016, 08:54:33 AM
Spend all the money we saved this window on a top class manager. No out of work has-beens or cheap as chips no.2's. A proper manager, with a decent track record and more than one game plan.
We are always saying "he wouldn't come here", well money talks, time for the new owners to put theirs where their mouth is and build from the top down.
Pulis is a bottom 6 manager so, if we have any ambition, he has to go. There'll never be a good time, that's what he relies on, bite the bullet and take a risk.
This takeover should be a new dawn, not a false one.
WHO???????? No manager well above us in the league would leave to come to us. Similarly none from Europe. I know Pepe Mel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 02, 2016, 09:06:16 AM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on September 02, 2016, 08:41:44 AM
Agree 100%. Let's hope he's gone soon. It will remove the toxic atmosphere within the club and give everyone a bit of hope.

I'm not so sure Cornish. We've had big issues on the football side of things since Hodgson and Ashworth left. There seems to be political games being played and nobody really knows who runs the football side anymore? Pulis was in charge completely but since Hammond came in, it's clear things have changed and there's conflict. It was the same under Clarke and Mel and now Pulis. I'm not sure anything would change by replacing the head coach.

The club quickly and decisively need to get their act together. They didn't back Pulis and are now essentially publically blaming him. That leaves them one option or else it's weak leadership again and suggests the club is willing to continue to float along like we have for a few years now lurching from one short term solution to another.

Albion , please get a plan, stick to it and be decisive, come on!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 02, 2016, 09:08:33 AM
Quote from: bry on September 02, 2016, 08:58:03 AM
WHO???????? No manager well above us in the league would leave to come to us. Similarly none from Europe. I know Pepe Mel.

Why wouldn't someone from Europe?

A mid table premier league club is a big pull for all but the top 3 managers in each country. If we offered high wages and were willing to pay high compensation to a club and then sell the club as an ambitious project with investment available we could attract a very very good manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 02, 2016, 09:09:18 AM
Quote from: bry on September 02, 2016, 08:58:03 AM
WHO???????? No manager well above us in the league would leave to come to us. Similarly none from Europe. I know Pepe Mel.
Why not from Europe ??? ???, this is the richest and highest profile league in the world, is it not? Players come here, why not managers? The football world is a big place mate, if we offer the dough and backing we will get someone.

It's time to start thinking like a club that deserves it's place at the top football table and not like a passing interloper.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on September 02, 2016, 09:09:23 AM
The club have thrown him under the bus a little with the statement and deflected the blame from themselves.

I feel regardless of the outcome of this season his contract wont be renewed.

I feel that personally the problem lies alot deeper than the manager, fair enough he has split opinions of the fans, however we have been abit unorganised and a shambles for a few years now, we as a club have never really got to terms with losing Ashworth.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2016, 09:09:31 AM
The criticism of his unwillingness to buy from abroad is bizarre in my opinion. Just look at the dross the previous scouting network served up. Clearly the foundations were shocking and whilst he's predominantly bought proven Premiership players, he's had little alternative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 02, 2016, 09:13:33 AM
Quote from: darbolina on September 02, 2016, 09:06:16 AM
I'm not so sure Cornish. We've had big issues on the football side of things since Hodgson and Ashworth left. There seems to be political games being played and nobody really knows who runs the football side anymore? Pulis was in charge completely but since Hammond came in, it's clear things have changed and there's conflict. It was the same under Clarke and Mel and now Pulis. I'm not sure anything would change by replacing the head coach.

The club quickly and decisively need to get their act together. They didn't back Pulis and are now essentially publically blaming him. That leaves them one option or else it's weak leadership again and suggests the club is willing to continue to float along like we have for a few years now lurching from one short term solution to another.

Albion , please get a plan, stick to it and be decisive, come on!

The new regime doesn't start properly until October. Great opportunity to sweep all this under the carpet and start again. New manager essential.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 02, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on September 02, 2016, 09:08:33 AM
Why wouldn't someone from Europe?

A mid table premier league club is a big pull for all but the top 3 managers in each country. If we offered high wages and were willing to pay high compensation to a club and then sell the club as an ambitious project with investment available we could attract a very very good manager.
Do you have anyone as an example. I don't see it myself. I'm sceptical that anyone of any worth would want to come from Spain or Germany for instance to us. Marcelino, Mancini and Hiddink are all out of work but would they come to the Albion? Not a chance in hell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on September 02, 2016, 09:15:41 AM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2016, 09:09:31 AM
The criticism of his unwillingness to buy from abroad is bizarre in my opinion. Just look at the dross the previous scouting network served up. Clearly the foundations were shocking and whilst he's predominantly bought proven Premiership players, he's had little alternative.
On a recent tv interview he commented 'you don't know half (of what has been going on)"
Maybe after he has walked he will enlighten us - circus springs to mind
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on September 02, 2016, 08:54:33 AM
Spend all the money we saved this window on a top class manager. No out of work has-beens or cheap as chips no.2's. A proper manager, with a decent track record and more than one game plan.
We are always saying "he wouldn't come here", well money talks, time for the new owners to put theirs where their mouth is and build from the top down.
Pulis is a bottom 6 manager so, if we have any ambition, he has to go. There'll never be a good time, that's what he relies on, bite the bullet and take a risk.
This takeover should be a new dawn, not a false one.

Difficult on how to say this without getting into new manager territory, but:

Following John Williams statement yesterday, I think Tony Pulis's position is untenable, & I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see a "mutual consent" statement later today.

As far as a replacement is concerned, it would be tricky making a permanent appointment until the acquisition is completed, so I would expect someone to take over in a caretaking role. Whether that's from within the club or outside, I've no idea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on September 02, 2016, 09:21:42 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 09:16:05 AM
Difficult on how to say this without getting into new manager territory, but:

Following John Williams statement yesterday, I think Tony Pulis's position is untenable, & I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see a "mutual consent" statement later today.

As far as a replacement is concerned, it would be tricky making a permanent appointment until the acquisition is completed, so I would expect someone to take over in a caretaking role. Whether that's from within the club or outside, I've no idea.

I cant really think of anyone within the club who would take that role should it pop up. If Pulis was to leave/go you would imagine Kemp would go with him as they are close mates, that leaves academy coaches. Big Dave, U23 coach, you would be playing a very risky game putting someone like that in charge.

At present TP has got my backing as I feel hes the best at what he does and after our transfer window hes exactly what we need to get points to put us in a good position for January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 02, 2016, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on September 02, 2016, 09:22:28 AM


Add to the fact that if he went that would instill the siege mentality into the fans and we might actually start to get behind the team.
Whoever comes in couldn't make it any worse would they?
Relegation isn't the end of our club, football is played outside the Greed League.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 02, 2016, 09:29:00 AM
Quote from: wbastrollers on September 02, 2016, 07:32:40 AM
And Rondom?

We won 2 consecutive home games last season and played well without Rondon when he was suspended. When he plays we just lump it forward and hope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 02, 2016, 09:31:17 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 09:16:05 AM
Difficult on how to say this without getting into new manager territory, but:

Following John Williams statement yesterday, I think Tony Pulis's position is untenable, & I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see a "mutual consent" statement later today.

As far as a replacement is concerned, it would be tricky making a permanent appointment until the acquisition is completed, so I would expect someone to take over in a caretaking role. Whether that's from within the club or outside, I've no idea.

Don't get my hopes up John. :D

With the squad we have I'd be on the phone to Hodgson to take over the reins until the end of the season. He'd maintain the solid style but give us a bit of freedom too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 02, 2016, 09:33:39 AM
Quote from: bry on September 02, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
Do you have anyone as an example. I don't see it myself. I'm sceptical that anyone of any worth would want to come from Spain or Germany for instance to us. Marcelino, Mancini and Hiddink are all out of work but would they come to the Albion? Not a chance in hell.

I have 2/3 names in mind (one of them has been mentioned) but we are not allowed to talk about them yet. But the point remains. May the money, back them, offer a decent project - you'll get the manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 02, 2016, 09:38:26 AM
Quote from: darbolina on September 02, 2016, 09:06:16 AM
I'm not so sure Cornish. We've had big issues on the football side of things since Hodgson and Ashworth left. There seems to be political games being played and nobody really knows who runs the football side anymore? Pulis was in charge completely but since Hammond came in, it's clear things have changed and there's conflict. It was the same under Clarke and Mel and now Pulis. I'm not sure anything would change by replacing the head coach.

The club quickly and decisively need to get their act together. They didn't back Pulis and are now essentially publically blaming him. That leaves them one option or else it's weak leadership again and suggests the club is willing to continue to float along like we have for a few years now lurching from one short term solution to another.

Albion , please get a plan, stick to it and be decisive, come on!
As Cornish has said, Mr Lai and his consortium haven't taken over yet and, once they do, things will be different. Jenkins will be gone (I've read several times that he's working 3 months' notice), there has to be a question mark over Garlick and Peace will just be an advisor and not pulling the strings. To my mind, it's not a question of if Pulis leaves now, but when? Once that happens, it will pretty much be a new broom situation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 02, 2016, 09:38:31 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on September 02, 2016, 09:33:39 AM
I have 2/3 names in mind (one of them has been mentioned) but we are not allowed to talk about them yet. But the point remains. May the money, back them, offer a decent project - you'll get the manager.

exactly! couldn't believe it when Laudrup went to Swansea. Decent managers will want to come and work in the Premiership. WBA attractive because we are profitable, we've just been taken over by a chinese billionaire and there is PLENTY of room for improvement in current squad and playing style. We will pretty much be able to take our pick I reckon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on September 02, 2016, 09:39:12 AM
If he is seriously considering leaving or the club is considering sacking him then it is ESSENTIAL that we get the right replacement lined up prior to the axe falling. We cannot afford time fathing around mid season. Personally I think we need to keep him until we are safe again and then sack him next spring / summer and get the new manager in prior to next pre-season with a clear plan. Someone who can work with Hammond, understands the squad and the league etc. Changing manager at this point is far too risky.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 02, 2016, 09:42:09 AM
Quote from: baggie82 on September 02, 2016, 09:39:12 AM
If he is seriously considering leaving or the club is considering sacking him then it is ESSENTIAL that we get the right replacement lined up prior to the axe falling. We cannot afford time fathing around mid season. Personally I think we need to keep him until we are safe again and then sack him next spring / summer and get the new manager in prior to next pre-season with a clear plan. Someone who can work with Hammond, understands the squad and the league etc. Changing manager at this point is far too risky.

Think Pulis should go now. We're currently 10th, 10 days until the next game. Club needs to be decisive and move quickly. The players will read the John Williams statement and see Pulis as dead man walking. The club is completely split at the moment.

We have a new owner, we now need a new manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on September 02, 2016, 09:46:03 AM
I think we have a significant problem. Pulls is a stubborn individual who has lost a lot of money after what happened at Palace. He will wait to be sacked. It is clear that the club don't see him as the long-term answer. They wanted something different out of the transfer window. They wanted different types of players. So no we face a few weeks, maybe even months of brinkmanship between the board and Pulis. Hardly what you need when you have a threadbare squad and limited resources. I would be stunned if he resigned. Although 'mutual consent' might be an option....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 02, 2016, 09:49:05 AM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on September 02, 2016, 09:42:09 AM
Think Pulis should go now. We're currently 10th, 10 days until the next game. Club needs to be decisive and move quickly. The players will read the John Williams statement and see Pulis as dead man walking. The club is completely split at the moment.

We have a new owner, we now need a new manager.
Except we don't have a new owner yet until the takeover has been ratified. Therefore, unless Pulis takes matters into his own hands, you might have to wait until October to get your wish, and not necessarily then if we're doing quite well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 09:54:37 AM
Quote
The Indispensable Man

(by Saxon White Kessinger)

Sometime when you're feeling important;
Sometime when your ego 's in bloom;
Sometime when you take it for granted,
You're the best qualified in the room:
Sometime when you feel that your going,
Would leave an unfillable hole,
Just follow these simple instructions,
And see how they humble your soul. 

Take a bucket and fill it with water,
Put your hand in it up to the wrist,
Pull it out and the hole that's remaining,
Is a measure of how much you'll be missed.
You can splash all you wish when you enter,
You may stir up the water galore,
But stop, and you'll find that in no time,
It looks quite the same as before. 

The moral of this quaint example,
Is to do just the best that you can,
Be proud of yourself but remember,
There's no indispensable man.

Tara Tom
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 02, 2016, 09:57:21 AM
Pulis 5/2 to be next manager to leave. Thats cracking value. I'd be surprised if it's not evens or lower by the end of the day once William comments start to circulate in wider circles than they currently are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on September 02, 2016, 10:04:56 AM
Into Evens on BetVictor.

I suspect it's the case that a few small bets have begun to go on as the chairmans statement gets more widely circulated, along with the newspaper and Sky articles that mention him considering his future.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2016, 10:06:08 AM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on September 02, 2016, 09:38:31 AM
exactly! couldn't believe it when Laudrup went to Swansea. Decent managers will want to come and work in the Premiership. WBA attractive because we are profitable, we've just been taken over by a chinese billionaire and there is PLENTY of room for improvement in current squad and playing style. We will pretty much be able to take our pick I reckon.

Being profitable makes you attractive to someone who wants to buy you.  Why would a manager come here because we made a few million quid profit last year?  Or even more importantly, why would he come here when he can see that we don't back the manager in the transfer market?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 02, 2016, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 02, 2016, 10:06:08 AM
Being profitable makes you attractive to someone who wants to buy you.  Why would a manager come here because we made a few million quid profit last year?  Or even more importantly, why would he come here when he can see that we don't back the manager in the transfer market?

You'd hope that this would change under new ownership. We need a complete fresh start.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2016, 10:19:21 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 02, 2016, 10:07:47 AM
You'd hope that this would change under new ownership. We need a complete fresh start.
You'd hope so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 02, 2016, 10:23:09 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 09:54:37 AM
Tara Tom

Nice one Baggiejohn!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 02, 2016, 10:25:54 AM
I have heard he ay going anywhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 02, 2016, 10:26:57 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on September 02, 2016, 10:25:54 AM
I have heard he ay going anywhere.

Don't say that! 🙁
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 02, 2016, 10:32:50 AM
Sky breaking news pulis staying put
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 02, 2016, 10:35:13 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 02, 2016, 10:06:08 AM
Being profitable makes you attractive to someone who wants to buy you.  Why would a manager come here because we made a few million quid profit last year?  Or even more importantly, why would he come here when he can see that we don't back the manager in the transfer market?

It was made clear on the official site when pulis was appointed, that HE would have the final say on transfers in comings and out goings, it's pretty clear by the recent statement on the website that he was putting it out there that Pulis is basically fussy.... so it sounds like he was backed but they were not the players he wanted.

Clear as day this transfer window is a result of pulis, he's scrapped the players he doesn't want, he's ignored transfers he isn't interested in and only made sure deals were done for people he really wants at the club, his type of players.... which is obviously a bad thing otherwise people wouldn't be complaining.

No excuses, no ifs not buts, he's just not the right man for this club and can't be compared to anyone else we could get in, the sooner he's gone the better.

I appreciate him keeping us up since he's been here but the football, the morale, the atmosphere and the fans are obviously all so negative and I really can't see that changing for aslong as he's in charge, we need him gone... fresh start for the new owners and give us fans a reason to actually want to watch us play football instead of going because it's an habit  (which I'm guilty of).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 02, 2016, 10:36:58 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on September 02, 2016, 10:26:57 AM
Don't say that! 🙁
Just something on FB showing a quote from Sky that say's he is not going anywhere. You watch he will probably go now I have said that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 02, 2016, 10:37:03 AM
Sadly we need him until May now as we spent the summer assembling yet another squad of pooh.

This is going to be a very long season once more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on September 02, 2016, 10:38:56 AM
'Sky Sources' undestand hes staying put.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 02, 2016, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on September 02, 2016, 10:37:03 AM
Sadly we need him until May now as we spent the summer assembling yet another squad of pooh.

This is going to be a very long season once more.

Very long season and another squad of pooh is an understatement!

But I don't think we do need him until may... the way we are playing at the moment, surely it can't get any worse with another manager in charge? I feel there is only room for improvement
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 02, 2016, 10:41:21 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on September 02, 2016, 10:38:56 AM
'Sky Sources' undestand hes staying put.

Sky sources also said our business was done on deadline day... then 30mins later we were linked with James McCarthy and signed kanu....

Can't rely on a word those clowns say...

I will continue to get my hopes up  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 02, 2016, 10:42:39 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 02, 2016, 10:39:07 AM
Very long season and another squad of pooh is an understatement!

But I don't think we do need him until may... the way we are playing at the moment, surely it can't get any worse with another manager in charge? I feel there is only room for improvement

I agree with this. I don't buy into this notion of only Pulis will keep us up. The squad needs a lot of work granted but it's still littered with internationals and players who've played at the top level. The players need to be allowed to play with some freedom. They look like startled rabbits most of the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 02, 2016, 10:47:35 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 02, 2016, 08:29:28 AM
totally agree with this, 1 quality striker and midfielder and we have a decent team.
problem is will we buy quality?

From the transfer speculation, it certainly looks like we can identify quality and were prepared to go for it, the question remains however

Will there be quality to buy in January?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RuncornBaggie on September 02, 2016, 10:47:52 AM
On the same token, looking at it from his point of view.  If he doesn't want a player because of whatever reason he deems fit.  Then the club shouldn't force the players on him. 

It is his job on the line.  He has to work with the players and rightly he should have the final say on the transfers.  You live by the sword, you die by the sword so to speak.

If I were in his position and I didn't want player x, y or z then I would say so.  I wanted players a, b and c.............x, y and z were not on the list I gave you and I don't want them.  However I certainly wouldn't wait until the 11th hour to say so. 

Just so that you know, I don't want TP at the club either.  We have 4 points from 3 games, not a bad start.  With TP in charge we will stay up but it will be painful to watch I fear.  I am however interested to see how Chadli does and also interested to see how Berahino reacts. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on September 02, 2016, 10:50:50 AM
People saying it can't get any worse etc, well it could. We could be playing this boringly and have 0 points. Maths isn't my strong point but i think if we averages this form over the seasons we'd get 46 points and probably be safe in March.

I don't like Pulis but i'm just playing devil's advocate here, would it not make more sense to have Pulis play things out with the players he's bought in and then just get a new man in next season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 02, 2016, 10:50:57 AM
Quote from: RuncornBaggie on September 02, 2016, 10:47:52 AM
On the same token, looking at it from his point of view.  If he doesn't want a player because of whatever reason he deems fit.  Then the club shouldn't force the players on him. 

It is his job on the line. He has to work with the players and rightly he should have the final say on the transfers.  You live by the sword, you die by the sword so to speak.

If I were in his position and I didn't want player x, y or z then I would say so.  I wanted players a, b and c.............x, y and z were not on the list I gave you and I don't want them.  However I certainly wouldn't wait until the 11th hour to say so. 

Just so that you know, I don't want TP at the club either.  We have 4 points from 3 games, not a bad start.  With TP in charge we will stay up but it will be painful to watch I fear.  I am however interested to see how Chadli does and also interested to see how Berahino reacts.

But is the job of TP worth more than the club being relegated? He's a stubborn man.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 02, 2016, 10:51:23 AM
Pulis ain't going anywhere soon. Sorry folks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on September 02, 2016, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 02, 2016, 10:06:08 AM
Being profitable makes you attractive to someone who wants to buy you.  Why would a manager come here because we made a few million quid profit last year?  Or even more importantly, why would he come here when he can see that we don't back the manager in the transfer market?
We do back The manager in the market. He ignored all the class players put infront of him because they're either not english Or have never played in england. Our problem was we were too weak And no one stood up to him.
Williams should have said to him that The club were cracking on with The Camacho signing plus the others Regardless.
At least if he walked then we'd have had a strong squad. Now we're stuck with this stubborn dinosaur and hope we scrape 9 more wins and 9 more draws. I doubt we'll do it this time, his luck has to run out some time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RuncornBaggie on September 02, 2016, 10:55:06 AM
Quote from: BB74 on September 02, 2016, 10:50:57 AM
But is the job of TP worth more than the club being relegated? He's a stubborn man.

I don't think he will get us relegated.  He will see us comfortably in 14-16th place.  Collect his £1m bonus for keeping us up and ride off into the sunset. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 02, 2016, 10:55:42 AM
We all know you have to wait for the 'Vote of Confidence' then we can all get excited.

Cant see him going anywhere till the end of the season January at the earliest
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RuncornBaggie on September 02, 2016, 10:58:15 AM
Quote from: kanu on September 02, 2016, 10:53:53 AM
We do back The manager in the market. He ignored all the class players put infront of him because they're either not english Or have never played in england. Our problem was we were too weak And no one stood up to him.
Williams should have said to him that The club were cracking on with The Camacho signing plus the others Regardless.
At least if he walked then we'd have had a strong squad. Now we're stuck with this stubborn dinosaur and hope we scrape 9 more wins and 9 more draws. I doubt we'll do it this time, his luck has to run out some time.

So we sign Camacho, TP could just say 'I told you I didn't want him, I am not going to play him' The frustrating thing for me is the McManaman's and Chester's who he personally signed, and wouldn't play him anyway.

Then he sits on the bench for a year. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 11:00:05 AM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on September 02, 2016, 10:51:23 AM
Pulis ain't going anywhere soon. Sorry folks.

Have you seen that from the club? From John William's statement, I can't see how they can work together, & John has to put the interests of the club & owners first, that's his job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 02, 2016, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: lewisant on September 02, 2016, 10:50:50 AM
People saying it can't get any worse etc, well it could. We could be playing this boringly and have 0 points. Maths isn't my strong point but i think if we averages this form over the seasons we'd get 46 points and probably be safe in March.

I don't like Pulis but i'm just playing devil's advocate here, would it not make more sense to have Pulis play things out with the players he's bought in and then just get a new man in next season?

Or considering we have only won 1 in the last 12 league games... I think the gamble may be worth taking, for example if we stay in the same form and get 1 more win in the next 12 would mean we would be on around 18 points (roughly) come december... as long as we get draws and don't lose

So I guess it depends which way you look at it, either way for an established premier league club, we should be doing a lot better, can blame peace etc for backing the club financially but it's only pulis and the players we can blame for the points we are getting and the football we are playing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 02, 2016, 11:06:49 AM
With the squad we have I believe TP is one of only few managers who would keep us up so if want him to stay for his final year and then part ways at the end of the season. Then we can bring in a manager with fresh and positive ideas that will work with Nick Hammond and not against him and bring in some quality players
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 02, 2016, 11:08:43 AM
Quote from: lewisant on September 02, 2016, 10:50:50 AM
People saying it can't get any worse etc, well it could. We could be playing this boringly and have 0 points. Maths isn't my strong point but i think if we averages this form over the seasons we'd get 46 points and probably be safe in March.

I don't like Pulis but i'm just playing devil's advocate here, would it not make more sense to have Pulis play things out with the players he's bought in and then just get a new man in next season?
3 games aren't much to make an extrapolation from - you might as well just take the last 2 games and say that we're certain to be relegated!  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 02, 2016, 11:09:45 AM
I think the Sky Sports announcement that Pulis is staying is telling - my guess is that Pulis has leaked this information to the media as a big two fingers up at Williams.

"Stitch me up all you want, I'm going nowhere. If you want me out you're going to have to sack me pal."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 11:12:46 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 02, 2016, 11:09:45 AM
I think the Sky Sports announcement that Pulis is staying is telling - my guess is that Pulis has leaked this information to the media as a big two fingers up at Williams.

"Stitch me up all you want, I'm going nowhere. If you want me out you're going to have to sack me pal."

Correct, we're in for an interesting couple of days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on September 02, 2016, 11:31:01 AM
Something is clearly not right at the club.
The fact that the chairman has even stated what he has suggests that relationships are not that strong between them all.

The club could have easily tried to put a positive spin on it all and not mention the 'selective' comments but they did.

Got a feeling there is a storm brewing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 02, 2016, 11:44:07 AM
god alone knows what the prospective new owners are making of this !

It doesn't bode well for their shiny new toy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on September 02, 2016, 11:50:12 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 02, 2016, 11:04:49 AM
Or considering we have only won 1 in the last 12 league games... I think the gamble may be worth taking, for example if we stay in the same form and get 1 more win in the next 12 would mean we would be on around 18 points (roughly) come december... as long as we get draws and don't lose

So I guess it depends which way you look at it, either way for an established premier league club, we should be doing a lot better, can blame peace etc for backing the club financially but it's only pulis and the players we can blame for the points we are getting and the football we are playing

As others like Jacko2000 will point out, that poor run of form includes the time when the team stopped trying and were in holiday mode after achieving 40 points - that's the argument against that. I personally think it isn't good enough to make not be able to motivate players after hitting 40 points but i also think it would probably be wiser to look at the bigger picture of all of last season and the half season he was in charge before, where Pulis hit his target. We're not likely to carry last season's poor form through to the opening 10 games of this season, and if we do then yes, he would need to go.

As it stands we have never looked like being relegated under him, and as that being the case until we are a bit more ambitious then Pulis' style of scratching and clawing enough points to keep us in the Prem matches the club.

I still think our best bet is to keep him until May then significantly back a new guy under the new regime.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SteelBaggie on September 02, 2016, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: lewisant on September 02, 2016, 11:50:12 AM
As others like Jacko2000 will point out, that poor run of form includes the time when the team stopped trying and were in holiday mode after achieving 40 points - that's the argument against that. I personally think it isn't good enough to make not be able to motivate players after hitting 40 points but i also think it would probably be wiser to look at the bugger picture of all of last season and the half season he was in charge before, where Pulis hit his target. We're not likely to carry last season's poor form through to the opening 10 games of this season, and if we do then yes, he would need to go.

As it stands we have never looked like being relegated under him, and as that being the case until we are a bit more ambitious then Pulis' style of scratching and clawing enough points to keep us in the Prem matches the club.

I still think our best bet is to keep him until May then significantly back a new guy under the new regime.

I second these points. No point throwing our toys out of the pram and not having a replacement who can work with what little Tony is able to work with. It won't be pretty this season but I expect a new manager, new mantra and money flying around next season as long as we remain in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 02, 2016, 11:58:48 AM
Please stop with the "next season it will be different" stuff, will we never learn?
As fans of WBAFC we should know better by now.

FFS the new owners may fail the fit & proper test, JP could still be here alongside TP. Please cut out the optimistic rubbish, its wearing !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 02, 2016, 12:05:11 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 02, 2016, 11:58:48 AM
Please stop with the "next season it will be different" stuff, will we never learn?
As fans of WBAFC we should know better by now.

FFS the new owners may fail the fit & proper test, JP could still be here alongside TP. Please cut out the optimistic rubbish, its wearing !

as is the painfully negative stuff. it's a forum people have different views.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 02, 2016, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on September 02, 2016, 12:05:11 PM
as is the painfully negative stuff. it's a forum people have different views.

Yup and i was expressing mine, in response to a positive post ! Sorry !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 02, 2016, 12:11:48 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 02, 2016, 11:09:45 AM
I think the Sky Sports announcement that Pulis is staying is telling - my guess is that Pulis has leaked this information to the media as a big two fingers up at Williams.

"Stitch me up all you want, I'm going nowhere. If you want me out you're going to have to sack me pal."

Totally agree, I think it will all end in tears. Pat Murphy has been saying one thing that "Pulis will be spiiting feathers" etc during the window whilst the local press seem to want to blame it all on Pulis now.

Pathetic games like this do not help the club at all so a compromise needs to be made and they all need to start singing from the same hymn sheet. W

He is never going to walk at all, so if they want him out they pull the trigger on him and either sack him or do the "left by mutual consent" line.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 02, 2016, 12:11:55 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 02, 2016, 12:08:40 PM
Yup and i was expressing mine, in response to a positive post ! Sorry !
no need to be sorry, however you were suggesting that posters stop being positive which is more than "expressing an opinion".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 02, 2016, 12:13:36 PM
Please just leave Tony, you have dragged us into the mire enough.

Sink or swim, i would rather do it without Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 02, 2016, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 02, 2016, 12:13:36 PM
Please just leave Tony, you have dragged us into the mire enough.

Sink or swim, i would rather do it without Pulis.

I hope he does go and the sooner the better so as a club we can all try and move on BUT I think he's being hung out to dry by others so not entirely to blame for dragging us through the mire, thats seems to trickle downwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 02, 2016, 12:15:53 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on September 02, 2016, 12:11:55 PM
no need to be sorry, however you were suggesting that posters stop being positive which is more than "expressing an opinion".
In retrospect you are right sorry  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on September 02, 2016, 12:17:25 PM
He won't leave, the club will give him a couple of games and then they might sack him if they can be bothered. This club can't decide its backside from its elbow let alone sack and appoint a new manager.....that would mean making a decision
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 02, 2016, 12:19:51 PM
Quote from: lewisant on September 02, 2016, 11:50:12 AM
As others like Jacko2000 will point out, that poor run of form includes the time when the team stopped trying and were in holiday mode after achieving 40 points - that's the argument against that. I personally think it isn't good enough to make not be able to motivate players after hitting 40 points but i also think it would probably be wiser to look at the bugger picture of all of last season and the half season he was in charge before, where Pulis hit his target. We're not likely to carry last season's poor form through to the opening 10 games of this season, and if we do then yes, he would need to go.

As it stands we have never looked like being relegated under him, and as that being the case until we are a bit more ambitious then Pulis' style of scratching and clawing enough points to keep us in the Prem matches the club.

I still think our best bet is to keep him until May then significantly back a new guy under the new regime.

We all have our own reasons and opinions on our form and I agree whatever the reason after hitting 40 points it's just not good enough, we then got off to a cracking start of this season with a win but since that game we have been appalling in my opinion... we have some decent players at our club and some very promising youngsters coming through into the first team, whilst not overly pleased with the signings we have made when you put into account the players we have got rid of compared to the players we have got in... I don't believe we are worse off but we're not exactly in a position to get excited about them if we are being realistic.

I just can't help but feel that if we had a different manager or coach in charge we would be set up differently and utilise our players better along with making the right changes in terms of substitutes.

With pulis it's we go for a 1-0 win from a set piece and if they equalise we try to see out a draw, By far not good enough at this level of football.

Not sure if anyone would agree with me or not but that's just my personal opinion on him and feel he's the wrong man for the job, don't buy the 'only pulis can keep us up' at all, not one bit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 02, 2016, 12:23:46 PM
Pulis is blatantly being used by the club as a stabiliser before they axe him and bring in a new manager. Pulis obviously would have identified targets and the club failed him and they failed us. Whether this is a strategy to bring their own manager in and then back them with heavier finances only time will tell but I think the club have acted disgracefully and owe us a proper explanation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on September 02, 2016, 12:23:57 PM
The 10,000 dollar question is who will replace him if he does go, which I think he will within the next month. I wouldn't be surprised if the replacement wheels are in motion already.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saltnshake on September 02, 2016, 12:27:15 PM
Yet again the club are trying to do things on the cheap by forcing him to walk, i guess Pulis will be due a fair pay off he is sacked the least he deserves for keeping us up is to be treated properly maybe JP could use some of his pay off as it was down to his poor decision making that he felt he had to imploy TP to save us in the first place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 02, 2016, 12:34:50 PM
This issue is what I feared over the summer if we didn't back Pulis. He essentially becomes a 'dead man walking' and fans, players, press, all start to talk about 'after Tony'. This means he's already gone really as you can't run a football club like that (e.g. Fergie tried to announce retirement this a couple of times).

I'm certain Pulis will walk to the next available job soon or he will be sacked , maybe sooner. Either way, you'd hope the club have plan b and c lined up pretty quickly or we will be in real trouble.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 02, 2016, 12:45:41 PM
Sometimes I think we deserve to be relegated. It's been a shambles since Hodgson and Ashworth left. Too many cooks spoil the broth. If Pulis goes I really fear for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 02, 2016, 12:51:52 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 02, 2016, 12:45:41 PM
Sometimes I think we deserve to be relegated. It's been a shambles since Hodgson and Ashworth left. Too many cooks spoil the broth. If Pulis goes I really fear for us.

Me too. I fear that we may improve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mat15(MH) on September 02, 2016, 12:58:19 PM
You have to think he'll be gone soon going by the statement from Williams and this response that seems to have leaked. He's not going to resign, so it's time to see what the new owners and Williams are made of in terms of decision making.

We've already been pretty suicidal in neither backing or sacking him in the transfer window, there now needs to be a definitive decision made, and quickly. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 02, 2016, 01:01:04 PM
Quote from: BaggieBirdRus on September 02, 2016, 11:06:49 AM
With the squad we have I believe TP is one of only few managers who would keep us up so if want him to stay for his final year and then part ways at the end of the season. Then we can bring in a manager with fresh and positive ideas that will work with Nick Hammond and not against him and bring in some quality players
Agree with this. Just going to have to bear and grin this season, and hope we don't go down... and that we appoint the right man
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 02, 2016, 01:08:01 PM
Quote from: royhan on September 02, 2016, 12:23:57 PM
The 10,000 dollar question is who will replace him if he does go, which I think he will within the next month. I wouldn't be surprised if the replacement wheels are in motion already.

Don't be daft....  ;)

We'll sack him first them embark on 8 weeks of due diligence which involves talking to Alan Curbishly and Dave Jones before we make a decision.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 01:15:09 PM
It will be interesting to see who's in the dugout tomorrow, quite a few first team players appearing including all the newbies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on September 02, 2016, 01:31:58 PM
first-team coach Ben Garner.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/09/02/nacer-chadli-and-allan-nyom-making-west-brom-debuts-in-delhi-dynamos-friendly/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on September 02, 2016, 01:39:02 PM
Quote from: geoff on September 02, 2016, 01:31:58 PM
first-team coach Ben Garner.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/09/02/nacer-chadli-and-allan-nyom-making-west-brom-debuts-in-delhi-dynamos-friendly/

Strange that, maybe Tony is going for a buffet lunch with Saido down at Red Leaf  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 02, 2016, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 02, 2016, 12:23:46 PM
Pulis is blatantly being used by the club as a stabiliser before they axe him and bring in a new manager. Pulis obviously would have identified targets and the club failed him and they failed us. Whether this is a strategy to bring their own manager in and then back them with heavier finances only time will tell but I think the club have acted disgracefully and owe us a proper explanation.
Spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 02, 2016, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on September 02, 2016, 11:31:01 AM
Something is clearly not right at the club.
The fact that the chairman has even stated what he has suggests that relationships are not that strong between them all.

The club could have easily tried to put a positive spin on it all and not mention the 'selective' comments but they did.

Got a feeling there is a storm brewing.
Wel that's the understatement of the year mate, if not the decade.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 02, 2016, 01:56:30 PM
Garner has just finished his UEFA Pro License so would be a nice experience for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 02, 2016, 03:03:20 PM
Quote from: lewisant on September 02, 2016, 11:50:12 AM
As others like Jacko2000 will point out, that poor run of form includes the time when the team stopped trying and were in holiday mode after achieving 40 points - that's the argument against that. I personally think it isn't good enough to make not be able to motivate players after hitting 40 points but i also think it would probably be wiser to look at the bigger picture of all of last season and the half season he was in charge before, where Pulis hit his target. We're not likely to carry last season's poor form through to the opening 10 games of this season, and if we do then yes, he would need to go.

As it stands we have never looked like being relegated under him, and as that being the case until we are a bit more ambitious then Pulis' style of scratching and clawing enough points to keep us in the Prem matches the club.

I still think our best bet is to keep him until May then significantly back a new guy under the new regime.

I don't think we can wait untill May, we need to invest in a new manager asap, put a list together of potential targets, at least 3 (one additional striker, one quality defensive midfielder, one quality attacking midfielder)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
Does anyone think Tony Pulis is just a stubborn man and will drag us down with him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 02, 2016, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 02, 2016, 11:58:48 AM
Please stop with the "next season it will be different" stuff, will we never learn?
As fans of WBAFC we should know better by now.

FFS the new owners may fail the fit & proper test, JP could still be here alongside TP. Please cut out the optimistic rubbish, its wearing !

and so is being a despondent pessimist :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 03:40:20 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
Does anyone think Tony Pulis is just a stubborn man and will drag us down with him?

Part 1 - yes

Part 2 - no
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 02, 2016, 03:59:19 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on September 02, 2016, 03:13:36 PM
and so is being a despondent pessimist :(
\

Blimey, I've had a (justifiable) verbal slap from Hull & Halifax now, you northeners must be on the happy pills
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 04:06:38 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 02, 2016, 03:59:19 PM
\

Blimey, I've had a (justifiable) verbal slap from Hull & Halifax now, you northeners must be on the happy pills

I'm a Midlander, & I'm fairly relaxed at the moment. Off to give the Dehli Dynamos a bit of support tomorrow, the big bad wolf is in the trap, what's not to like?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 02, 2016, 04:39:08 PM
I'll just never understand the view that TP is the reason the club doesn't spend money like he suddenly cares about net profit.

If the board didn't wait at the last second to make any signings then they and TP could have made a comprise on which targets to get and bring them through the door.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 05:48:33 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 02, 2016, 04:39:08 PM
I'll just never understand the view that TP is the reason the club doesn't spend money like he suddenly cares about net profit.

If the board didn't wait at the last second to make any signings then they and TP could have made a comprise on which targets to get and bring them through the door.

How do you know it was the "boards" decision to wait until the last second to make signings?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 02, 2016, 07:13:04 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 05:48:33 PM
How do you know it was the "boards" decision to wait until the last second to make signings?

Because TP has mention the squad has needed reinforcements for a while now?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 02, 2016, 07:13:04 PM
Because TP has mention the squad has needed reinforcements for a while now?

Still doesn't answer my question, how do you know it wasn't TP's decision to wait until the last second?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 02, 2016, 07:32:49 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 07:19:56 PM
Still doesn't answer my question, how do you know it wasn't TP's decision to wait until the last second?

Can you give a plausible reason why he'll publicly say this team needs reinforcements after every game but then tell the board to take their time to present him the options on the final 2 days of the window risking not getting anybody?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 02, 2016, 07:35:58 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 02, 2016, 07:13:04 PM
Because TP has mention the squad has needed reinforcements for a while now?

100% true. When Pulis started making commenr in the press, that is when I started to question the club. I cannot believe the Chinese owners will not give us so serious money to spend and all I can assume is that we haven't spent because they do not believe Pulis is the man to spend the money with. I hate the club right now, I've defended them when the majority were baying for blood and always stayed loyal, but I feel that we've been mugged off once too often now. Realistically though, what can we do?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 07:39:06 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 02, 2016, 07:32:49 PM
Can you give a plausible reason why he'll publicly say this team needs reinforcements after every game but then tell the board to take their time to present him the options on the final 2 days of the window risking not getting anybody?

He could have had reinforcements but chose to turn them down. Allegedly, the reinforcements we did get were his chosing, the board were only bit part players in this window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on September 02, 2016, 07:40:11 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 02, 2016, 07:32:49 PM
Can you give a plausible reason why he'll publicly say this team needs reinforcements after every game but then tell the board to take their time to present him the options on the final 2 days of the window risking not getting anybody?

Can't tell you Pulis' exact motives as they're not public knowledge but it could be that he thinks better players become available later in the transfer window, players get cheaper or maybe it's not be design but constantly wanting to wait and see who becomes available, meaning time slowly ticks away. What is publicly available is that he has a track record of being very busy each deadline day going back to when he was at Stoke suggesting that he had a strong influence on it this summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 02, 2016, 07:40:42 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 07:19:56 PM
Still doesn't answer my question, how do you know it wasn't TP's decision to wait until the last second?
How do you know it was?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 07:46:00 PM
Quote from: bry on September 02, 2016, 07:40:42 PM
How do you know it was?

I don't, any more than you know it wasn't, but I'm not blaming the board. Except I might be blaming the Chairman for allowing the whole farce to happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 02, 2016, 07:58:42 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 07:46:00 PM
I don't, any more than you know it wasn't, but I'm not blaming the board. Except I might be blaming the Chairman for allowing the whole farce to happen.
The whole thing doesn't add up. If Pulis turned down players why was he offered them at the last minute? Why werent those issues of: whose available; who can we afford; here's who (The board-Hammond) suggest; These are the ones (Pulis) I don't want and do want sorted bloody weeks or months ago? Then the whole management team directors and players managers work together to bring in the previously agreed players in the ENTIRE TRANSFER WINDOW and not just with hours to go. I just don't understand how a multi million pound business is run like the Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 08:04:51 PM
Quote from: bry on September 02, 2016, 07:58:42 PM
The whole thing doesn't add up. If Pulis turned down players why was he offered them at the last minute? Why werent those issues of: whose available; who can we afford; here's who (The board-Hammond) suggest; These are the ones (Pulis) I don't want and do want sorted bloody weeks or months ago? Then the whole management team directors and players managers work together to bring in the previously agreed players in the ENTIRE TRANSFER WINDOW and not just with hours to go. I just don't understand how a multi million pound business is run like the Albion.

You're right, but who's the amatuer in all this?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: letmereadposts on September 02, 2016, 09:41:53 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 02, 2016, 12:23:46 PM
Pulis is blatantly being used by the club as a stabiliser before they axe him and bring in a new manager. Pulis obviously would have identified targets and the club failed him and they failed us. Whether this is a strategy to bring their own manager in and then back them with heavier finances only time will tell but I think the club have acted disgracefully and owe us a proper explanation.

Completely agree. I am no fan of his football but the way this outgoing hierarchy have acted to him make me side with the manager.

We are meant to be professional. The statement from Williams was anything but.

In the absolute short term people need to leave and these people no longer include Pulis in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 09:46:13 PM
Quote from: letmereadposts on September 02, 2016, 09:41:53 PM
Completely agree. I am no fan of his football but the way this outgoing hierarchy have acted to him make me side with the manager.

We are meant to be professional. The statement from Williams was anything but.

In the absolute short term people need to leave and these people no longer include Pulis in my opinion.

What would you do if somebody was trying to stitch you up?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: blue on September 03, 2016, 01:24:09 PM
Can't wait for his next press conference. So many questions need answering.
Their must be conversation, s going on behind scenes after the total balls up of the transfer window.
Its been reported he is staying, but I have not seen any quotes. Was it the club who put it out or Pulis.
They might even be discussing an amicable parting.
Not spending a good chunk of your transfer budget and giving trials to out of contract players seems totally bizarre.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 03, 2016, 03:32:50 PM
Is it right he isn't at the Delhi game this afternoon?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 03, 2016, 03:34:28 PM
Quote from: bry on September 03, 2016, 03:32:50 PM
Is it right he isn't at the Delhi game this afternoon?

Really bizzare if he's not there and he's not done a press conference this week ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 03, 2016, 03:37:10 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on September 03, 2016, 03:34:28 PM
Really bizzare if he's not there and he's not done a press conference this week ?

No match equals no presser.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: letmereadposts on September 03, 2016, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 02, 2016, 09:46:13 PM
What would you do if somebody was trying to stitch you up?

Sack them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 03, 2016, 03:45:12 PM
Quote from: letmereadposts on September 03, 2016, 03:43:17 PM
Sack them.
But Tony can't sack the board ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 03, 2016, 06:30:06 PM
Quote from: bry on September 03, 2016, 03:32:50 PM
Is it right he isn't at the Delhi game this afternoon?

Yeah and it's being bandied around that there's no excuse for him to not be there. Except, you know, he's been watching our next league opponents play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 03, 2016, 07:00:36 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on September 03, 2016, 06:30:06 PM
Yeah and it's being bandied around that there's no excuse for him to not be there. Except, you know, he's been watching our next league opponents play.

Or he could, you know, delegate the responsibility of scouting our next opponents to Dave Kemp or similar?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 03, 2016, 07:01:10 PM
So where was he today then ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 03, 2016, 07:24:18 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 03, 2016, 07:00:36 PM
Or he could, you know, delegate the responsibility of scouting our next opponents to Dave Kemp or similar?

Be handier for him to do it himself if he did actually go to Bournemouth
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mrvulgarity on September 03, 2016, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on September 03, 2016, 07:01:10 PM
So where was he today then ?

Could be:

Talking to free agent agents
Watching game from training base
Meeting Board

I dont quite get the 'OHMAHGAWD he wasnt there sack him', when there is other members of staff that covered this PR friendly.

2 trialists, and the trialists could be watched on TV, like... we did!

Far stretch by people on here quick to judge, especially the events that happened recently but god will you all put a pipe in it and get behindd the bleedin team?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: letmereadposts on September 03, 2016, 07:35:34 PM
Quote from: bry on September 03, 2016, 03:45:12 PM
But Tony can't sack the board ?

The board should get rid or spend as Hammond sees fit - and tell Pulis to like it or lump it.

Instead we're seeing penny pinching and overly blaming an already unpopular manager.

What they should not do is release such a transparent critique of the manager, it's unprofessional and not befitting to the club. the statement from Williams was petulant and is no excuse for a poor transfer window.

No fan of Pulis, I understand he's played his part in this and I'm no fan of his national press pals spinning on his behalf BUT I expect this of Pulis, I do not expect poorly hidden rhetoric blaming the manager from our board/ acting chairman.

Not surprised by Pulis, very disappointed in the current board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 03, 2016, 07:39:11 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on September 03, 2016, 07:01:10 PM
So where was he today then ?
Away with family according to bham mail journo on Twitter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 03, 2016, 08:34:48 PM
Quote from: Dexy on September 03, 2016, 07:39:11 PM
Away with family according to bham mail journo on Twitter.

I wonder if Tone will get as much stick for going on holiday as Saido did?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 03, 2016, 08:54:22 PM
Maybe Tone and the club are giving Garner a bit of development experience.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 03, 2016, 09:08:36 PM
Quote from: Dexy on September 03, 2016, 07:39:11 PM
Away with family according to bham mail journo on Twitter.

I wonder if he was in Jersey meeting Peace?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 03, 2016, 09:32:58 PM
I'm surprised people are mad at Pulis for today. A meaningless friendly organized to sell Albion overseas. Organized during an international break when other premier league teams aren't playing.
Who cares?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 03, 2016, 10:27:28 PM
I cannot understand why so many so called supporters are keen to let TP seemingly take all the blame for our poor performance in the transfer window, over two newcomers to the club who have in my opinion done jack pooh to improve our situation.
TP said all along that he did not want any player who was no better than what he already had, and that is why neither Sakho or Camacho joined us, he did not want them - simple "footballing reasons". He wanted quality and the suits didn't back him, and Jeremy Peace has betrayed the very man who guaranteed him his payday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on September 03, 2016, 11:00:37 PM
Personally think he'll be gone as soon as the takeover is confirmed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 03, 2016, 11:11:07 PM
Regardless of it only being a friendly i would of thought with all the rumour of an unhappy camp, Pulis would of at least been at the game today to show a united front if things are genuinely okay.

With all thats been said him staying away just draws more attention on the back of the deadline day stuff, Yes he can watch players on the tv, but Pulis comes across as the type who would want to be involved, he has a couple of new signings and a couple of trialists.

I think will be a matter of time before he has gone, probably sacked or mutual consent as i dont see him walking  with the club thanking him for his efforts but looking at a new direction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on September 04, 2016, 12:02:34 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on September 03, 2016, 10:27:28 PM
I cannot understand why so many so called supporters are keen to let TP seemingly take all the blame for our poor performance in the transfer window, over two newcomers to the club who have in my opinion done jack rubbish to improve our situation.
TP said all along that he did not want any player who was no better than what he already had, and that is why neither Sakho or Camacho joined us, he did not want them - simple "footballing reasons". He wanted quality and the suits didn't back him, and Jeremy Peace has betrayed the very man who guaranteed him his payday.

Camacho would be the best midfielder we've had in over 30 years. Whoever's fault it was that we missed out on that one should have been sacked on the spot.

Pulis probably wouldn't be a massive fan of Iniesta, but if we had the chance to sign him it would be a case of play him or we'll get another manager who will.

If it was the other way around and the board just refused to meet the release clause, then I'm sad to say we may as well just pack it in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 04, 2016, 12:16:10 AM
A lot of people reading into TP not being at the friendly, as I said in the Delhi thread it was merely a PR exercise and nothing more. Slavan Bilic missed an early Europa game last season and sent his number 2, so in the big scheme of things I don't think this matters too much.

I imaging he watched it on TV anyway with regards to Sissoko et al.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smudger 2007 on September 04, 2016, 12:51:26 AM
I'm torn on pulis now. Hare the way we play and the way we set up. But after the debacle of the transfer window(maybe partly pulis fault refusing to sign camacho and maybe others) is there anyone else who could keep this group up. I'm not sure. Suppose we won't know until we try. It's risky though. I can see both sides. Pretty sure the board feel this way too. Bit if a mess for all parties concerned
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on September 04, 2016, 12:59:01 AM
Quote from: baggie96 on September 03, 2016, 11:00:37 PM
Personally think he'll be gone as soon as the takeover is confirmed

I agree, the apparent rumours about him leaving and tensions at the club seem strange for a club that don't announce new players until the last minute. Almost seems planned by the board, if he resigns and isn't sacked does the club need to provide him a severance payment?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 04, 2016, 01:22:55 AM
Quote from: swad35 on September 04, 2016, 12:59:01 AM
I agree, the apparent rumours about him leaving and tensions at the club seem strange for a club that don't announce new players until the last minute. Almost seems planned by the board, if he resigns and isn't sacked does the club need to provide him a severance payment?
Don't think so,unless it's a mutual agreement. If he flat out walks he'd have to buyout his contract id imagine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 04, 2016, 01:30:23 AM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 04, 2016, 01:22:55 AM
Don't think so,unless it's a mutual agreement. If he flat out walks he'd have to buyout his contract id imagine.

It would probably be a situation where by he can quit, but if he takes another job during what would have been the rest of his contract then he'd have to pay compensation equal to the rest of his contract (or a set fee/fine).

He won't however quit, he simply can't afford to, the Palace court loss hit him very hard.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 04, 2016, 07:12:59 AM
Can't imagine the compensation we would have to pay him would be massive considering he is about 9/10 months from end of contract.

I personally think we are sorting out his replacement before sacking him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIE5 on September 04, 2016, 07:17:48 AM
What I don't understand.. You moan about needing players, then why would you turn them down at the last minute. It doesn't make sense.

 Surely when the deal started you knew the ins and outs of it all. Something ain't right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 04, 2016, 08:04:52 AM
I think tomorrow is crunch day. If I was TP it would be 'back me or sack me' i.e. he would want a discussion on a new contract or seek a compensation package. I think changes are about to happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 04, 2016, 08:06:31 AM
Just out of interest were Kemp and O'Connor at the game yesterday ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 08:34:00 AM
Quote from: BAGGIE5 on September 04, 2016, 07:17:48 AM
What I don't understand.. You moan about needing players, then why would you turn them down at the last minute. It doesn't make sense.

 Surely when the deal started you knew the ins and outs of it all. Something ain't right.

The only thing I can think of is whoever TP gives his list of targets to these days, could be one of many, ignored his picks and went with their own.

Pulis being Pulis we see the result.

But, if they wasn't going for the manager's targets, knowing what he's like, that tells me 1) they didn't want to spend any money (TP, as eggs are eggs would tell them to bog off). 2) They saw his list/cost and pooh themselves. 3) They don't trust him in the market 4) They don't want him as manager.

Probably a bit of all that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 04, 2016, 08:36:56 AM
Quote from: Adder on September 04, 2016, 08:06:31 AM
Just out of interest were Kemp and O'Connor at the game yesterday ?

I don't think so as Ben Garner coach did the live after match interview which I just viewed on Twitter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 08:41:52 AM
All Tony Pulis needs to do IMO is to tell the truth on what happened on 31st August. If the players we signed were imposed on him, fine, or if he chose the players, fine. I haven't got a problem if he turned down Cammacho in favour of another target.
As head coach, he has the right to make the final decisions, & then live or die by them.

On the other hand John Williams job, as Chairman, is to protect the interests of the owners, both current & future. If John Williams considered that any actions taken by anybody that day were not acting in the interest of the owners, then he would have a right to intervene.

The comments by John Williams would suggest that Tony Pulis had the final say on the players we did sign & in the decision not to pursue Camacho.

This is purely an opinion, based on my own experiences within business, but I find it difficult to believe that John Williams would have put out that statement without clearing it with Jeremy Peace & Mr Lai first. In other words, although it is signed by John Williams, it represents the feelings of the owners.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 08:54:20 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 08:41:52 AM
All Tony Pulis needs to do IMO is to tell the truth on what happened on 31st August. If the players we signed were imposed on him, fine, or if he chose the players, fine. I haven't got a problem if he turned down Cammacho in favour of another target.
As head coach, he has the right to make the final decisions, & then live or die by them.

On the other hand John Williams job, as Chairman, is to protect the interests of the owners, both current & future. If John Williams considered that any actions taken by anybody that day were not acting in the interest of the owners, then he would have a right to intervene.

The comments by John Williams would suggest that Tony Pulis had the final say on the players we did sign & in the decision not to pursue Camacho.

This is purely an opinion, based on my own experiences within business, but I find it difficult to believe that John Williams would have put out that statement without clearing it with Jeremy Peace & Mr Lai first. In other words, although it is signed by John Williams, it represents the feelings of the owners.

I think what you say there John is sensible and fair enough.

Smacks as a no confidence vote in Pulis mind you!

I suppose it's like your Mum giving you £100 as a kid (not that I ever got £100! ) and telling you to go out and buy yourself some new clothes.

Off you pop with yeah pals to do some window shopping

When you get home your mum has bought you a shirt that you wouldn't have picked in a million years.

But you say thanks and ask her for the £100 for the gear you looked at and wanted.

She says "£100? that shirt cost me 50 quid so here's £50"

Obviously if she said here's your hundred son, I just bought that shirt for you, cause I think you need one, you never know, that's different you take what you can get.

I would say thanks but no thanks, I'll have the £100 for what I want, take your shirt back.

You can see my point though, with your 50 you bought your 18 hole cherry reds, red braces, blue jeans and your green bomber jacket, you look the part until you take yet jacket off to reveal a pink crushed velvet frilly shirt.

It just doesn't work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 08:58:24 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 08:54:20 AM
I think what you say there John is sensible and fair enough.

Smacks as a no confidence vote in Pulis mind you!

I suppose it's like your Mum giving you £100 as a kid (not that I ever got £100! ) and telling you to go out and buy yourself some new clothes.

Off you pop with yeah pals to do some window shopping

When you get home your mum has bought you a shirt that you wouldn't have picked in a million years.

But you say thanks and ask her for the £100 for the gear you looked at and wanted.

She says "£100? that shirt cost me 50 quid so here's £50"

I would say thanks but no thanks, I'll have the £100 for what I want, take your shirt back.

Jim, I seem to recall conversations we've had in the past where you said you had some experience of business, is that correct?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 09:00:13 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 08:58:24 AM
Jim, I seem to recall conversations we've had in the past where you said you had some experience of business, is that correct?

Yes bud
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HamsteadHarry on September 04, 2016, 09:21:54 AM
It seems to me that both sides are positioning themselves for a split. It's just a pity that such differences are emerging in what is going to be a hard season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on September 04, 2016, 09:30:15 AM
Don't think we have any choice than to part company now. We must all pull together as one behind the new man whoever he is and the players. COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:31:26 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 09:00:13 AM
Yes bud

OK, So we've got a head coach that likes to plough his own furrow & a DoF appointed by the board to help him find players, both from within the club & outside.
The head coach prefers a certain type of player, but can be persuaded (with difficulty) to consider players outside of the parameters he's set.
The owner of the football club spends £3 million a year on an academy to provide a stream of players from within the club.

Everybody in that group has been made aware that the head coach has the final say before any negotiations or contract offers are made, this has been the policy of the business ever since the DoF position was conceived, & clarified by the owner on numerous occasions.

Given the above scenario, why do you think that the DoF would spend time chasing players without consulting the head coach first?

Lets now talk about cash.
At the opening of the transfer window, the owners of the football club made it clear that this would be one our most important transfer windows ever, & that money would be made available to strengthen the team. They also said that the acquisition would have no impact on funds available for players as budgets had already been decided & agreed.
In the event, there was £15 million left on the table, when you consider that Nacer Chadli cost £13 million, that was criminal & could put the football club in some danger.
Again, given the above scenario, who would benefit from leaving that £15 million on the table, certainly not Messers Lai, & Peace, their investments are at risk.

Without resorting to "painting pictures" could you explain why you think TP & Nick Hammond are operating independently, & why you think it would be advantageous not to spend an already agreed budget. If you think the budget wasn't high enough, then I might have some sympathy with your argument.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 04, 2016, 09:35:13 AM
I think there will be an official announcement once the takeover is complete.

I don't think Peace or the new chairman want him and I highly doubt that the owner would want someone like that at the helm to promote his new investment.

For none of the coaching staff to be there yesterday tells it's own story, and I'm wandering how much influence Pulis actually had in getting the trialists in?

I suppose from Peace's point of view, why bother paying him off now when in a few weeks someone else can pay for it to happen.

As others have pointed out though I don't see him walking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 09:55:55 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:31:26 AM
OK, So we've got a head coach that likes to plough his own furrow & a DoF appointed by the board to help him find players, both from within the club & outside.
The head coach prefers a certain type of player, but can be persuaded (with difficulty) to consider players outside of the parameters he's set.
The owner of the football club spends £3 million a year on an academy to provide a stream of players from within the club.

Everybody in that group has been made aware that the head coach has the final say before any negotiations or contract offers are made, this has been the policy of the business ever since the DoF position was conceived, & clarified by the owner on numerous occasions.

Given the above scenario, why do you think that the DoF would spend time chasing players without consulting the head coach first?

Lets now talk about cash.
At the opening of the transfer window, the owners of the football club made it clear that this would be one our most important transfer windows ever, & that money would be made available to strengthen the team. They also said that the acquisition would have no impact on funds available for players as budgets had already been decided & agreed.
In the event, there was £15 million left on the table, when you consider that Nacer Chadli cost £13 million, that was criminal & could put the football club in some danger.
Again, given the above scenario, who would benefit from leaving that £15 million on the table, certainly not Messers Lai, & Peace, their investments are at risk.

Without resorting to "painting pictures" could you explain why you think TP & Nick Hammond are operating independently, & why you think it would be advantageous not to spend an already agreed budget. If you think the budget wasn't high enough, then I might have some sympathy with your argument.

Help me out first John,

What was the total figure for the agreed budget? And is your figure accurate? What I mean is, has it been stated anywhere by Hammond or Whoever, Pulis has got £x to spend this summer.

With respect there is no value in saying what we could've spent but didn't; we could've spent £0 this window or £500million. But what we could've done is different to what we had the ability to do.

There is no value in Hammond and Pulis working independently, but there is Value in Hammond listening to Pulis as to what he needs to produce a product for his customers, supporters, tv, etc that people want to pay for.

It's Hammond job to deliver a product within a budget that satisfys the customer and shareholders.

Everybody needs to understand what it is people are tasked and expected to do within an organisation.

If people are clear what it is they are expected to do in there area of expertise (quality/cost blah blah) then things may run smoother.

When people get involved outside there area of expertise I think the problems start.

Everyone in WBA will have different objectives or performance targets which they are expected to achieve.

The only one that counts for a Football Club ultimately is 90 minutes. The whole club should revolve around Saturday afternoon at 3pm  cause that is the only product the people that pay WBA are interested in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 04, 2016, 10:06:21 AM
Quote from: bry on September 03, 2016, 03:45:12 PM
But Tony can't sack the board ?
Who does all the talking in the media? Who is to say that it isn't Pulis trying to stitch up the board?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 04, 2016, 10:07:44 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 09:55:55 AM
There is no value in Hammond and Pulis working independently, but there is Value in Hammond listening to Pulis as to what he needs to produce a product for his customers, supporters, tv, etc that people want to pay for.
I don't think that Pulis is bothered about producing a product that people want to watch/pay for. His main criterion for each game is to try not to lose it. Also, given that we know Pulis's preferred marketplace for players is very restricted, there should be no problem with Hammond saying to him "we can get X from a foreign club for Y, what do you think?", rather than just miss out on good players because Pulis would never consider them, left to his own devices.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 10:16:13 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 04, 2016, 10:07:44 AM
I don't think that Pulis is bothered about producing a product that people want to watch/pay for. His main criterion for each game is to try not to lose it. Also, given that we know Pulis's preferred marketplace for players is very restricted, there should be no problem with Hammond saying to him "we can get X from a foreign club for Y, what do you think?", rather than just miss out on good players because Pulis would never consider them, left to his own devices.

Totally agree Worcs.

I'm not saying Pulis is the right bloke more the principle.

I would be asking from a money point of view "Are we producing something people want to pay for?"

I think that answer is currently no.

If SKY had to pick 20 clubs from 92 to maximise there involvement in football would WBA be one of them in the here and now?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 04, 2016, 10:18:10 AM
I find it strange Pulis not being there yesterday. It was a first team game after all and one with trialists and new players playing for the first time .

My personal view is that he's gone and we'll find a replacement in there soon. That poor statement from Williams and Pulis's (uncharacteristic) silence speaks volumes for me. If Pulis was his usual self he'd put his side across. The fact he's been quiet suggests he's sorting legalities out!



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: blue on September 04, 2016, 10:19:52 AM
Hammond's job is to find players that will improve the squad ,first team. If their is some doubt about pulis staying beyond this season then finding players that just suit pulis playing style would be foolish and a waste of money.
Perhaps here lies the problem .Hammond is thinking long term with cammacho.
If this is scenario that has happened and with a new chairman and takeover imminent and a head coach who probably will go at end of season.
Then its a disaster that has happened.
Parting company with Pulis now and bringing in a head coach who has the same visionary as club would be the best outcome.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 04, 2016, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: darbolina on September 04, 2016, 10:18:10 AM
I find it strange Pulis not being there yesterday. It was a first team game after all and one with trialists and new players playing for the first time .

My personal view is that he's gone and we'll find a replacement in there soon. That poor statement from Williams and Pulis's (uncharacteristic) silence speaks volumes for me. If Pulis was his usual self he'd put his side across. The fact he's been quiet suggests he's sorting legalities out!
whilst i am leaning toward this way of thinking the only thing i would ask is how long ago this friendly was arranged, if it was a recent thing then his other commitments MAY have been longstanding
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 10:27:08 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 09:55:55 AM
Help me out first John,

What was the total figure for the agreed budget? And is your figure accurate? What I mean is, has it been stated anywhere by Hammond or Whoever, Pulis has got £x to spend this summer.

With respect there is no value in saying what we could've spent but didn't; we could've spent £0 this window or £500million. But what we could've done is different to what we had the ability to do.

There is no value in Hammond and Pulis working independently, but there is Value in Hammond listening to Pulis as to what he needs to produce a product for his customers, supporters, tv, etc that people want to pay for.

It's Hammond job to deliver a product within a budget that satisfys the customer and shareholders.

Everybody needs to understand what it is people are tasked and expected to do within an organisation.

If people are clear what it is they are expected to do in there area of expertise (quality/cost blah blah) then things may run smoother.

When people get involved outside there area of expertise I think the problems start.

Everyone in WBA will have different objectives or performance targets which they are expected to achieve.

The only one that counts for a Football Club ultimately is 90 minutes. The whole club should revolve around Saturday afternoon at 3pm  cause that is the only product the people that pay WBA are interested in

I don't know what the total budget was, I do know we allegedly offered £15 million for Camacho, the deal was aborted & no other deals were concluded, therefore that £15 million was left on the table.

You go to great lengths to say that Hammond is working independently of Tony Pulis,how do you know that Jim? You even suggest that Hammond is not qualified to find players (you used the phrase "outside their expertise).

Nick Hammond is considered one of the best DoF's in the game, it took a lot of work to get him here, & you're saying he's not qualified. Really?

I agree the aggregated effect of all this is what happens on the pitch on matchday, but the stakes are so high now, it can't all revolve around one man, as Mr Pulis's friend 'Arry found out to his cost.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 04, 2016, 10:29:16 AM
For someone who allegedly likes to be ' in control ' it was odd for him not to be there yesterday . There may be perfectly legitimate reason for it but his absence only serves to stir the social media conspiracies and therefore the situation should be nipped in the bud , for once just tell us the facts regarding his whereabouts .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 04, 2016, 10:30:19 AM
Quote from: hardtobeat on September 04, 2016, 10:22:39 AM
whilst i am leaning toward this way of thinking the only thing i would ask is how long ago this friendly was arranged, if it was a recent thing then his other commitments MAY have been longstanding

What could be more important than him being at a first team match on a Saturday afternoon unless it's a big personal one eg close family funeral or other club business eh scouting? Managers can't just book a day off and leave to assistants when they fancy a bit of family time on a weekend!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 10:31:08 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 10:16:13 AM
Totally agree Worcs.

I'm not saying Pulis is the right bloke more the principle.

I would be asking from a money point of view "Are we producing something people want to pay for?"

I think that answer is currently no.

If SKY had to pick 20 clubs from 92 to maximise there involvement in football would WBA be one of them in the here and now?

Who's standing in the way of that ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 04, 2016, 10:33:49 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 10:27:08 AM
I don't know what the total budget was, I do know we allegedly offered £15 million for Camacho, the deal was aborted & no other deals were concluded, therefore that £15 million was left on the table.

You go to great lengths to say that Hammond is working independently of Tony Pulis,how do you know that Jim? You even suggest that Hammond is not qualified to find players (you used the phrase "outside their expertise).

Nick Hammond is considered one of the best DoF's in the game, it took a lot of work to get him here, & you're saying he's not qualified. Really?

I agree the aggregated effect of all this is what happens on the pitch on matchday, but the stakes are so high now, it can't all revolve around one man, as Mr Pulis's friend 'Arry found out to his cost.

I would suggest Pulis has identified the parts of the team he would like to strengthen , Hammond has provided a list of options some of which might be from leagues abroad and they have been poo pooed in favour of the specific type Pulis seems to trust ie home grown that cost more money and this is where the whole process has fallen apart .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on September 04, 2016, 10:36:39 AM
Quote from: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 04, 2016, 08:36:56 AM
I don't think so as Ben Garner coach did the live after match interview which I just viewed on Twitter.

The fact that neither TP or his two closest lieutenants were all absent at a prestigious fixture, which could have significant long term financial benefits for the club, speaks volumes. I can't see any of them being here at the end of the international window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: petjob on September 04, 2016, 10:36:56 AM
Why all this fuss about Pulis being the only manager that can keep us up.
We have been longer in the premiership without him than with him.
It is an insult to the players to say without Pulis we are doomed.
There are plenty of good managers who would happily take on this squad and do well., the offers we had for some of our players suggests what a good squad we have.
Yes we had a poor window but the squad is in fact stronger now than before the window and should have no problem staying up this season with or without Pulis.
Also looking at some of the inflated prices paid for average players we were best out of it until January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lola on September 04, 2016, 10:37:16 AM
What is very clear is the lack of shared working and communication between Pullis and Hammond. I would have expected shared goals and targets and collaboration. It seems crazy that Hammond would work to almost complete a deal and using up precious time to have Pulis veto at the last minute. I also think it is strange Pulis was not in attendance yesterday. I understand the reasons why this game was not 'important' to a certain extent but after the window a show of unity and a united front being displayed; especially when trialists were playing would seem sensible. Needless to say it promotes a very divided club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 04, 2016, 10:41:26 AM
Quote from: petjob on September 04, 2016, 10:36:56 AM
Why all this fuss about Pulis being the only manager that can keep us up.
We have been longer in the premiership without him than with him.
It is an insult to the players to say without Pulis we are doomed.
There are plenty of good managers who would happily take on this squad and do well., the offers we had for some of our players suggests what a good squad we have.
Yes we had a poor window but the squad is in fact stronger now than before the window and should have no problem staying up this season with or without Pulis.
Also looking at some of the inflated prices paid for average players we were best out of it until January.
Don't you think the prices will be even more inflated in January?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 10:42:23 AM
Quote from: darbolina on September 04, 2016, 10:30:19 AM
What could be more important than him being at a first team match on a Saturday afternoon unless it's a big personal one eg close family funeral or other club business eh scouting? Managers can't just book a day off and leave to assistants when they fancy a bit of family time on a weekend!

If it's any help, I went to the game yesterday. Due to a glitch in the ticketing system, I couldn't print the tickets off at home & had to call in the ticket office to collect.
I was passing by the door about 12:30 & called into the ES car park. I was made to walk about 100 metres in the rain because the area near the ticket office had been cordoned off for VIP's. Thanks for bearing with me, but the match yesterday was far from a meaningless friendly, it was a very important PR exercise in building meaningful relationships between WBAFC & India, & would probably have been part of Mr Lai's export strategy. For me, the fact that Tony Pulis's absence, as a senior member of the football clubs' management team, was very telling.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on September 04, 2016, 11:21:54 AM
I don't post much on here but here's my 2 penn'th for what it's worth.

I think we'll have a new owner in a few days/weeks-whenever the final approval comes through-and for whatever reasons that new owner bought the club, they don't include TP. With TP at the helm, teamwise, WBA would be a very difficult product to market and make money from in China. WBA's brand of football would be no more appealing to the new owner's intended international audience  than it is to the vast majority of fans here. Even TP's supporters among UK fans merely put up with him because he is perceived as someone who can keep us up on a shoestring budget. I don't think the new owners see TP as the manager/coach to take us forward, so he has to go and this is what the latest shananigans have been about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 04, 2016, 11:45:44 AM
I am surprised that Pulis has lasted this long. When he was appointed many of us including myself thought that it wouldn't be long before there was a clash or difference of opinion with Peace/the club over transfers.

I suspect he will be gone if and when the takeover is announced if not sooner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on September 04, 2016, 12:35:27 PM
Whatever your views on TP the club had to back him or sack him yet they have done neither. TP is not the first manager/ coach to have issues with our recruitment just ask Megson, Mowbray or Robson..... Oh you can't all have a gagging clause
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 04, 2016, 12:53:46 PM
I think we have arrived at an inevitable and unfortunate impasse. Pulis won't resign because of the transfers certainly not after Palace he will be looking for a pay off that leaving by "mutual consent" will bring.  Williams won't make the call to sack him certainly while the ownership is in transition.

Unfortunately Pulis is looking like a dead man walking and in those circumstances I'm not sure he won't lose the dressing room (a phrase I hate incidentally) although Darren Fletcher being his chief ally in the dressing room will help rally the troops.

I know I am one of Pulis' most vocal and long term critics so I am not going to shed any crocodile tears over his departure. On the other hand I would much rather the club take a positive decision and proactively replace him at the end of a season rather than being forced to do so on the hoof in a situation which might not give his successor the best chance to succeed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 01:03:58 PM
The time to get rid of Pulis has long since been and gone. If he was going to go it had to be at the start of the summer, certainly not now after a massive failure in the transfer window leaving us with a squad unable to play any other way (successfully), whilst there are no appealing candidates available anyway.

Irregardless much as I may not be a fan of the direction we've gone under Pulis, I have even less faith in the direction the club would take us. The club before Pulis and after Hodgson consistently went for cheap unambitious manager targets, put in place a system that scared off all decent managers, and had that system fail every single transfer window to sign players who ended up being a success. It's pretty telling our only decent transfer window since Ashworth left was last summer when we had no technical director in place.

If we got rid of Pulis now I have absolutely zero faith that we wouldn't just end up with someone who's apparently a good coach but an unsuccessful/unproven manager, then only back them with a few subpar loans from the reserves of average teams abroad, none of whom would improve our team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 04, 2016, 01:19:19 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 04, 2016, 01:03:58 PM
The time to get rid of Pulis has long since been and gone. If he was going to go it had to be at the start of the summer, certainly not now after a massive failure in the transfer window leaving us with a squad unable to play any other way (successfully), whilst there are no appealing candidates available anyway.

Irregardless much as I may not be a fan of the direction we've gone under Pulis, I have even less faith in the direction the club would take us. The club before Pulis and after Hodgson consistently went for cheap unambitious manager targets, put in place a system that scared off all decent managers, and had that system fail every single transfer window to sign players who ended up being a success. It's pretty telling our only decent transfer window since Ashworth left was last summer when we had no technical director in place.

If we got rid of Pulis now I have absolutely zero faith that we wouldn't just end up with someone who's apparently a good coach but an unsuccessful/unproven manager, then only back them with a few subpar loans from the reserves of average teams abroad, none of whom would improve our team.
I don't think it's reasonable to assume that things will just carry on the same under the ownership of Lai's consortium as they have done before. Once the takeover has completed, I'm expecting (certainly hoping) that a number of things will start to change significantly for the better with regard to the way we sign players, so let's give that a chance to happen before making judgements about it.

For an increasing number of reasons, it doesn't look like Pulis will be a part of things in the long term. When exactly the new owners/board (detached from Peace, Jenkins and anyone else they decide not to keep on) decide what the right time is to let him go is extremely unclear at present. To me, the whole situation is now festering and untenable following what's happened during and after the transfer window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 01:29:18 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 04, 2016, 01:19:19 PM
I don't think it's reasonable to assume that things will just carry on the same under the ownership of Lai's consortium as they have done before. Once the takeover has completed, I'm expecting (certainly hoping) that a number of things will start to change significantly for the better with regard to the way we sign players, so let's give that a chance to happen before making judgements about it.

For an increasing number of reasons, it doesn't look like Pulis will be a part of things in the long term. When exactly the new owners/board (detached from Peace, Jenkins and anyone else they decide not to keep on) decide what the right time is to let him go is extremely unclear at present. To me, the whole situation is now festering and untenable following what's happened during and after the transfer window.

Peace is staying on as an advisor, Williams is his choice as chairman, and Hammond was appointed by Peace and has just oversaw the shambles over this summer. Nothing our new owners have said or done suggests they're going to rock the boat and change things much at all. Pulis might be on shaky ground but I don't know why anyone, anywhere has confidence that the next appointment will be any better. In all likelihood it'll be someone who plays much the same style (because this squad is likely to get relegated doing anything else), only probably not with the same success.


You earn trust and nothing about the clubs decision making in recent years gives me any faith in them to make the right decisions on either managers or transfers. The road that led to Pulis was paved by awful decisions, unfortunately everything about this summer suggests we actually haven't learnt from them at all.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 04, 2016, 02:04:08 PM
Just seen the below in the Birmingham Mail's article about Camacho being happy at Malaga;

"Tony Pulis pulled the plug on Albion's move for the Spaniard for "footballing reasons" on deadline day on Wednesday, and missed out too on fellow target William Carvalho."

If this is not true and Tony Pulis was not the one that pulled the deal then I suspect his solicitors will be contacting the Mail about this.

Now can we put this nonsense of "it might not have been Pulis that pulled the deal" to bed?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 04, 2016, 02:04:08 PM
Just seen the below in the Birmingham Mail's article about Camacho being happy at Malaga;

"Tony Pulis pulled the plug on Albion's move for the Spaniard for "footballing reasons" on deadline day on Wednesday, and missed out too on fellow target William Carvalho."

If this is not true and Tony Pulis was not the one that pulled the deal then I suspect his solicitors will be contacting the Mail about this.

Now can we put this nonsense of "it might not have been Pulis that pulled the deal" to bed?

I saw that, I wondered if it's not in readiness for "I didn't pull the plug, he didn't want to come anyway". Muddy the water a bit eh?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 04, 2016, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 04, 2016, 01:29:18 PM
Peace is staying on as an advisor, Williams is his choice as chairman, and Hammond was appointed by Peace and has just oversaw the shambles over this summer.
Whilst Peace might remain as an advisor, he'll no longer have any shares, so he won't be able to pull strings anymore. Where was it said that Williams was Peace's choice? I'm not saying it's not true, just that it passed me by if it is. Assuming Williams is intended to be here for the long haul, his appointment must have been at least approved by Mr Lai and it will be to him that Williams reports and is responsible to once the takeover is finalised.

All the ITK info I've seen has stated that the shambles over the summer was overseen by Peace and Jenkins, with Williams basically saying whatever they wanted him to say. Williams had no choice but to do that, with Peace still owning 82% of the shares. So to saddle him with any personal responsibility would be unfair in my view. Remember that we've not been in a situation for a long time where the Chairman wasn't also the majority shareholder.

I'm reasonably convinced that things will start to change as soon as Peace no longer owns shares, with it looking increasingly likely that Pulis will be impacted by those changes (he wrote in an attempt to give the post some semblance of being on topic!).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 04, 2016, 02:33:12 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 04, 2016, 01:03:58 PM
The time to get rid of Pulis has long since been and gone. If he was going to go it had to be at the start of the summer, certainly not now after a massive failure in the transfer window leaving us with a squad unable to play any other way (successfully), whilst there are no appealing candidates available anyway.

Irregardless much as I may not be a fan of the direction we've gone under Pulis, I have even less faith in the direction the club would take us. The club before Pulis and after Hodgson consistently went for cheap unambitious manager targets, put in place a system that scared off all decent managers, and had that system fail every single transfer window to sign players who ended up being a success. It's pretty telling our only decent transfer window since Ashworth left was last summer when we had no technical director in place.

If we got rid of Pulis now I have absolutely zero faith that we wouldn't just end up with someone who's apparently a good coach but an unsuccessful/unproven manager, then only back them with a few subpar loans from the reserves of average teams abroad, none of whom would improve our team.
think the time for him to go is now, and i do think there are candidates out there that would re invigorate the supporters and attract the quality of player required come January
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 04, 2016, 02:42:56 PM
I have never called for his head even though his football leaves me cold. He was brought in to do a job and he did it.
But now i feel his time is up.
We need someone who can get us playing again in now, before it's too late. I don't think TP would have the heart to make a fist of it now and would be surprised if he is here after the IB.
Let's hope we don't take as long as we do in most things firing him and getting a replacement, or it will be game over.
I don't have the opinion that players couldn't change their style under a different manager. They do if they are transferred to another club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 02:53:10 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 04, 2016, 02:26:09 PM
Whilst Peace might remain as an advisor, he'll no longer have any shares, so he won't be able to pull strings anymore. Where was it said that Williams was Peace's choice? I'm not saying it's not true, just that it passed me by if it is. Assuming Williams is intended to be here for the long haul, his appointment must have been at least approved by Mr Lai and it will be to him that Williams reports and is responsible to once the takeover is finalised.

All the ITK info I've seen has stated that the shambles over the summer was overseen by Peace and Jenkins, with Williams basically saying whatever they wanted him to say. Williams had no choice but to do that, with Peace still owning 82% of the shares. So to saddle him with any personal responsibility would be unfair in my view. Remember that we've not been in a situation for a long time where the Chairman wasn't also the majority shareholder.

I'm reasonably convinced that things will start to change as soon as Peace no longer owns shares, with it looking increasingly likely that Pulis will be impacted by those changes (he wrote in an attempt to give the post some semblance of being on topic!).

You can tell it's a Sunday, this forum always gets intellectual on a Sunday, must be something to do with the coffee & bacon sandwiches.

This transition period is really interesting from a legal point of view, & can I just say, I'm no legal specialist, but I would say that although ownership of the company remains with Jeremy Peace until the deal can be ratified by the relevant authorities, Mr Peace has a duty of care to Mr Lai to ensure that the integrity of the business remains intact, & as such, can take all steps necessary to enable that to happen. John Williams role in all this is to act as an honest broker between the two in the day to day running of the business, & also protect the integrity of the business.
Hindsight's a wonderful thing, & I believe if we could wind back to July 1st, John Williams & Jeremy Peace would have dealt with the situation differently, however, by adopting a brinksmanship strategy, where we leave everything until the last minute, & everything is moving a such a fast pace, it must be really difficult to know when to call a halt.
The situation although bad, is not fatal, I think we'll have enough to stay in touch,until January. By that time, you would hope that the acquisition has been completed, & we move on a higher plane, with a different person leading the footballing side of our great football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: blue on September 04, 2016, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: divinewind on September 04, 2016, 02:42:56 PM
I have never called for his head even though his football leaves me cold. He was brought in to do a job and he did it.
But now i feel his time is up.
We need someone who can get us playing again in now, before it's too late. I don't think TP would have the heart to make a fist of it now and would be surprised if he is here after the IB.
Let's hope we don't take as long as we do in most things firing him and getting a replacement, or it will be game over.
I don't have the opinion that players couldn't change their style under a different manager. They do if they are transferred to another club.

I agree .Also why waste another transfer window when our chairman has said we have money to spend.
Buying Pulis type players would set us back if he is going.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 04, 2016, 03:34:43 PM
Ok crazy conspiracy time  ;D

New owners don't want TP, they have spoken to him and he's aware BUT, even if they sack him he only gets 10 months wage due to his contract,no good for him + if they told him weeks ago any new manager will want ££ for their own team and at that stage the takeover was not quite sorted so funds would be difficult
So
TP needs £,we can't have a new manager before deadline day last week,the club can't spend big yet.
So
A meeting takes place , look Tony you done your bit, we will pay you an additional 2m if you sign this non disclosure as long as we can use the following scenario during transfer window (exactly what just happened)and we will "mutually separate" during the international break,deal?
"Deal"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 03:40:11 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 04, 2016, 03:34:43 PM
Ok crazy conspiracy time  ;D

New owners don't want TP, they have spoken to him and he's aware BUT, even if they sack him he only gets 10 months wage due to his contract,no good for him + if they told him weeks ago any new manager will want ££ for their own team and at that stage the takeover was not quite sorted so funds would be difficult
So
TP needs £,we can't have a new manager before deadline day last week,the club can't spend big yet.
So
A meeting takes place , look Tony you done your bit, we will pay you an additional 2m if you sign this non disclosure as long as we can use the following scenario during transfer window (exactly what just happened)and we will "mutually separate" during the international break,deal?
"Deal"

Plus side - quite good

Minus side - exactly what did happen?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 04, 2016, 04:12:41 PM
Don't know how true but the reason Pulis was not at friendly game yesterday was because he was at family funeral so no conspiracy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 04:01:29 PM
Not sure I agree with you Dan, footballers are footballers, & at pro level they're pretty adaptable. You'd want to keep your back line disciplined & work the rest within a framework. It's difficult to discuss this within the rules of the forum, but I can think of a number of coaches we could hire short term until January. From what I saw yesterday, even our present first team coach could do it. There are many disadvantages to having an ageing squad, but one of the benefits of going round the block a few times, is experience, the squad will see us through short term whatever the outcome of the next few days.

I think anyone expecting much different out this squad will be disappointed to be honest. You can count on one hand the amount of players in our squad who are comfortable in possession and who are technically talented players. The vast majority of our squad are atheletes and/or spoilers. If they try to play more attacking they're still largely be ineffective because most of our players just don't have much technical ability, but at the risk of conceding way more too.

Experience alone isn't going to change what these players are capable of. They've wasted another transfer window only bringing one player in who actually as the kind of ability needed to transform the style the team is capable of playing. Only Evans in defence is actually comfortable on the ball, only Morrison and hopefully Chadli in midfield are players who's technical ability is their asset, Rondon is certainly more of an athlete but might do well in a system that uses him as something more than a battering ram. The rest would struggle massively. People like Gardner might be consumate pro's but they're not people capable of playing much different to how they are now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 04, 2016, 04:28:10 PM
Think everyone is jumping the gun. Fully expect Pulis to take charge of the match at Bournemouth next weekend and look forward to his press conference on Thursday or Friday where I expect him to stonewall the media with his usual brusque diplomacy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 04, 2016, 04:32:08 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on September 04, 2016, 04:12:41 PM
Don't know how true but the reason Pulis was not at friendly game yesterday was because he was at family funeral so no conspiracy.
Were Kemp and O'Connor at the same family funeral?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 04, 2016, 04:38:30 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on September 04, 2016, 04:12:41 PM
Don't know how true but the reason Pulis was not at friendly game yesterday was because he was at family funeral so no conspiracy.
On a Saturday ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on September 04, 2016, 04:12:41 PM
Don't know how true but the reason Pulis was not at friendly game yesterday was because he was at family funeral so no conspiracy.

The Dehli dynamos game was first advertised on the WBA tIcketing website just before the acquisition was announced on 5th August.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 04, 2016, 04:51:10 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 04:42:36 PM
The Dehli dynamos game was first advertised on the WBA tIcketing website just before the acquisition was announced on 5th August.
You can't plan ahead for people passing away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba1993dave on September 04, 2016, 04:54:28 PM
Why didn't Kemp take charge then?. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: bry on September 04, 2016, 04:51:10 PM
You can't plan ahead for people passing away.

Agreed, but you could make your apologies & nominate a deputy. If that had happened, don't you think the club would have said so?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 04:56:23 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 04, 2016, 04:28:10 PM
Think everyone is jumping the gun. Fully expect Pulis to take charge of the match at Bournemouth next weekend and look forward to his press conference on Thursday or Friday where I expect him to stonewall the media with his usual brusque diplomacy.

Diplomacy & Pulis? mmmmmmmmmmmm :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 10:27:08 AM

I don't know what the total budget was, I do know we allegedly offered £15 million for Camacho, the deal was aborted & no other deals were concluded, therefore that £15 million was left on the table.

You go to great lengths to say that Hammond is working independently of Tony Pulis,how do you know that Jim? You even suggest that Hammond is not qualified to find players (you used the phrase "outside their expertise).

Nick Hammond is considered one of the best DoF's in the game, it took a lot of work to get him here, & you're saying he's not qualified. Really?

I agree the aggregated effect of all this is what happens on the pitch on matchday, but the stakes are so high now, it can't all revolve around one man, as Mr Pulis's friend 'Arry found out to his cost.

You keep saying 15 million was left on the table, how do you know 15 million was there in the first place?

You don't know is the answer.

I don't know either.

But I do know they definitely didn't spend it.

Forget about what was or wasn't on the table, totally irrelevant.

Hammond is there to help Pulis, and the finance guys, a go between if you like.

If Pulis asked for 10 foot tall gorillas go and find me them.

His job is to find 10 foot tall Gorillas for the Manager, at a price agreeable to the chairman.

He don't pick the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 05:09:56 PM


Forget about what was or wasn't on the table, totally irrelevant.
why?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 05:15:23 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 05:14:22 PM
why?

Because you don't know if it was there.

You do know what was spent 22.5 mill, if you can show me our budget was £40 mill then great.

But that just highlights the technical guys didn't find the players the manager wanted

If that style of football is not what the chairman wants then he has a decision to make.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 05:15:23 PM
Because you don't know if it was there.

But with respect Jim we do know it was there, it's the only thing about the whole sorry episode that we do know. we offered £15 million for Camacho, Malaga turned us down, we turned our attentions elsewhere & we couldn't complete on time. There was £15million left on the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 05:23:27 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 05:22:19 PM
But with respect Jim we do know it was there, it's the only thing about the whole sorry episode that we do know. we offered £15 million for Camacho, Malaga turned us down, we turned our attentions elsewhere & we couldn't complete on time. There was £15million left on the table.


And we know he cost 18 million. So, why offer 15?

John guess how much money I have right now in my pocket.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 05:15:23 PM
Because you don't know if it was there.

You do know what was spent 22.5 mill, if you can show me our budget was £40 mill then great.

But that just highlights the technical guys didn't find the players the manager wanted

If that style of football is not what the chairman wants then he has a decision to make.

It also highlights the manager didn't find the players that the manager wants.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 05:27:53 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 05:25:39 PM
It also highlights the manager didn't find the players that the manager wants.

Apart from the ones on his list that he wanted to bring in. The 5 quality signings to strengthen the first team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 05:29:16 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 05:23:27 PM

And we know he cost 18 million. So, why offer 15?

John guess how much money I have right now in my pocket.

We offered £15 million Jim. Tara Jim
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 05:29:16 PM
We offered £15 million Jim. Tara Jim

I'll offer £45 million for Messi, when that bid don't go through was there £45 million left on the table?

Or did I just know they would say No?

Tara John.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 08:29:24 PM
The last time I mention it I promise!!

Camacho

To buy Camacho would have cost West Brom 18,000,000 Euros.

If we offered Malaga Half a Lager and a Cheese Sandwich they would have said No. That would be on the table.

If we offered Malaga 17,500,000 Euros Malaga would say No, That would be on the table.

Except neither are on the table because they are both unacceptable bids for that player.

If WBA had offered 18,000,000 Euros, Malaga couldn't say Yes or No, because the player has the right to speak to any club that triggers his release clause. That is now on the table.

Player didn't come for 'Football reasons'

A couple of scenarios here; not fact just scenarios.

Pulis said no because it is not a player that he has identified as a potential signing, never watched the bloke play, is unsure if he is a player he can work with.

Well in that scenario Hammond is accountable for having 18,000,000 unspent, because he is doing things that the manager didn't ask him to do.

Pulis had previously identified Camacho as a player he would like to sign, but decided at the last minute to say No because he didn't think Camacho was worth the 18,000,000 Euro price tag.

In that scenario Pulis is accountable for 18,000,000 left on the table, because what he thinks a player is worth has got nowt to do with him, that's Hammonds job.

But as far as I'm concerned about stuff being left on a table, unless a fee of 18,000,000 was agreed, there is absolutely nothing on any table and never was.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 04, 2016, 08:38:47 PM
How much was asked, how much offered, how much left on the table, who pulled the plug will only be known to those involved.
One thing we can all agree on is that something is seriously wrong within our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 08:40:23 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 08:29:24 PM
The last time I mention it I promise!!

Camacho

To buy Camacho would have cost West Brom 18,000,000 Euros.

If we offered Malaga Half a Lager and a Cheese Sandwich they would have said No. That would be on the table.

If we offered Malaga 17,500,000 Euros Malaga would say No, That would be on the table.

Except neither are on the table because they are both unacceptable bids for that player.

If WBA had offered 18,000,000 Euros, Malaga couldn't say Yes or No, because the player has the right to speak to any club that triggers his release clause. That is now on the table.

Player didn't come for 'Football reasons'

A couple of scenarios here; not fact just scenarios.

Pulis said no because it is not a player that he has identified as a potential signing, never watched the bloke play, is unsure if he is a player he can work with.

Well in that scenario Hammond is accountable for having 18,000,000 unspent, because he is doing things that the manager didn't ask him to do.

Pulis had previously identified Camacho as a player he would like to sign, but decided at the last minute to say No because he didn't think Camacho was worth the 18,000,000 Euro price tag.

In that scenario Pulis is accountable for 18,000,000 left on the table, because what he thinks a player is worth has got nowt to do with him, that's Hammonds job.

But as far as I'm concerned about stuff being left on a table, unless a fee of 18,000,000 was agreed, there is absolutely nothing on any table and never was.


Jim we had £15 million to spend, who we spent it on is neither here or there, but we offered £15 million for Camacho, therefore we had £15 million to spend. whoever pulled the plug on Camacho left it so late, we weren't able to spend it elsewhere. Earlier in the window, we bought Chadli for £13 million, that's the quality of player we missed out on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 04, 2016, 08:51:00 PM
We have heard reports that we offered £15m. They wanted £18m.  We quibbled about the £3m difference.
Other reports say, the bid was accepted and Camacho was keen to join us.
Then it all went quiet.
Did we offer the money thinking they wouldn't accept it and then think oh Christ when they did? Then found excuses to get out of the deal?
If that was the case then we hadn't got the £15m,or never intended spending it in the first place and so £15m would not be left on the table. I can see where Jim is coming from.
I think it's all show when it comes to Albions transfer dealings.
If you look back on my posts, you will come across one i did last month saying we would leave it until the last day and then panic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 04, 2016, 08:53:59 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 08:40:23 PM

Jim we had £15 million to spend, who we spent it on is neither here or there, but we offered £15 million for Camacho, therefore we had £15 million to spend. whoever pulled the plug on Camacho left it so late, we weren't able to spend it elsewhere. Earlier in the window, we bought Chadli for £13 million, that's the quality of player we missed out on.

You're speaking at cross purposes Jim refuses to accept without proof that we ever had 15 million. You are taking it as gospel.

Malaga refused to deal at less than 18m. So we offered 15m knowing full well it wasnt enough and therefore knowing we would never have to spend it. Following this logic it is not a reach to suggest the money was never there...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 04, 2016, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 04, 2016, 03:46:22 PM
Who? Steve Bruce is by far the most likely candidate, he also plays a defensive style, if not quite as brutal as Pulis, still his teams always struggle for goals. Not sure he's all that much better at attracting genuine quality, nor is he is as reliable at keeping teams up.

Beyond him it starts to get brutal, McClaren? Zola? Sherwood?

That's where we'd be going if we get rid of Pulis. Unless someone can offer genuine change and improvement getting rid of Pulis during the season is pointless. Even if we do get someone who offers genuine change we'll run into the same problems we did under Mel in that the players we have are simply incapable of playing anything other than extremely defensively. A massive rebuild is needed to change that and the best time to start it is in the summer with proactive transfers.
what about people like Giggs, Jol, McInnes, Laudrup any of which would i think get the fans back onside and quite probably try and play a more expansive style
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:23:28 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 04, 2016, 08:53:59 PM
You're speaking at cross purposes Jim refuses to accept without proof that we ever had 15 million. You are taking it as gospel.

Malaga refused to deal at less than 18m. So we offered 15m knowing full well it wasnt enough and therefore knowing we would never have to spend it. Following this logic it is not a reach to suggest the money was never there...

Sunday night is not normally my thick time of the week, but I have to say, I really don't understand the reasoning behind this.

On a personal level if I wanted a car valued at £18,000, but I didn't have a bean, I wouldn't waste my time in bidding for it. On the other hand, if I had £17,000 I might open the bidding at £15,000, with a view to getting it at £16,500. If then my other half said don't bother, I don't like the colour, I'd just pull the plug on it & look for another car.
On one hand we're saying the club don't give a f*ck about the fans, on the other we're saying we're making dummy bids just to keep the fans onside. Really?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 04, 2016, 09:27:03 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:23:28 PM
Sunday night is not normally my thick time of the week, but I have to say, I really don't understand the reasoning behind this.

On a personal level if I wanted a car valued at £18,000, but I didn't have a bean, I wouldn't waste my time in bidding for it. On the other hand, if I had £17,000 I might open the bidding at £15,000, with a view to getting it at £16,500. If then my other half said don't bother, I don't like the colour, I'd just pull the plug on it & look for another car.
On one hand we're saying the club don't give a f*ck about the fans, on the other we're saying we're making dummy bids just to keep the fans onside. Really?

This doesn't speak to caring for the fans, a dummy bid only serves the board and those in control. It that is true its a vain attempt to keep their jobs believing that the fans are stupid enough to fall for it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 04, 2016, 09:31:42 PM
On the Camacho deal, nothing wrong with offering 15m, how many times do people offer what is on the car windscreen?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 04, 2016, 09:33:42 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 04, 2016, 09:31:42 PM

On the Camacho deal, nothing wrong with offering 15m, how many times do people offer what is on the car windscreen?

You overlook that Camacho has an 18m buyout clause. If we had met that then Malaga were obliged to honour it. If not, then no deal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:36:03 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 04, 2016, 09:27:03 PM
This doesn't speak to caring for the fans, a dummy bid only serves the board and those in control. It that is true its a vain attempt to keep their jobs believing that the fans are stupid enough to fall for it.

Exactly, they might have a low opinion of us, but it would be ultra arrogant to think we're that thick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 04, 2016, 09:41:53 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 04, 2016, 09:33:42 PM
You overlook that Camacho has an 18m buyout clause. If we had met that then Malaga were obliged to honour it. If not, then no deal.
Many players have high release clauses, doesn't mean that clubs won't deal if you get close
In fact there was one that was mentioned on sky for less than their release clause on deadline day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 09:45:57 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:36:03 PM
Exactly, they might have a low opinion of us, but it would be ultra arrogant to think we're that thick.

So why not offer 18 million then?

That was the price, not 15,000,000 not 17,999,999.

Fair enough if you want to mess about haggling with a week to go till the window shuts, but they were messing about haggling with hours to go till the window shut.

You tell me on a scale of 0 to 18,000,000 how much they wanted that player?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:48:22 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 04, 2016, 09:33:42 PM
You overlook that Camacho has an 18m buyout clause. If we had met that then Malaga were obliged to honour it. If not, then no deal.

Either nothings negotiable or everything's negotiable. Nothing wrong with a £15 million to test the water.

Signor - £15 million for Camacho - non
Signor - £ 16 million for Camacho - err non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho - eeeeerrrrr non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho now & a further £1.5 million if we finish in the top 6 - err let me think about it

Sir - we need £17 million to buy Camacho's replacement, if you give us £17 milion now & £1 million if you finish in the top six you have a deal
Signor - We have a deal.


or
 Signor - £15 million for Camacho - non
Signor - £ 16 million for Camacho - err non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho - eeeeerrrrr non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho now & a further £1.5 million if we finish in the top 6 - err let me think about it.
Signor - forget about it, our head coach has changed his mind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:50:28 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 09:45:57 PM
So why not offer 18 million then?

That was the price, not 15,000,000 not 17,999,999.

Fair enough if you want to mess about haggling with a week to go till the window shuts, but they were messing about haggling with hours to go till the window shut.

You tell me on a scale of 0 to 18,000,000 how much they wanted that player?
You tell me on a scale of 0 to 18,000,000 who waited till the last minute?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 04, 2016, 09:50:47 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:48:22 PM
Either nothings negotiable or everything's negotiable. Nothing wrong with a £15 million to test the water.

Signor - £15 million for Camacho - non
Signor - £ 16 million for Camacho - err non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho - eeeeerrrrr non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho now & a further £1.5 million if we finish in the top 6 - err let me think about it

Sir - we need £17 million to buy Camacho's replacement, if you give us £17 milion now & £1 million if you finish in the top six you have a deal
Signor - We have a deal.


or
 Signor - £15 million for Camacho - non
Signor - £ 16 million for Camacho - err non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho - eeeeerrrrr non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho now & a further £1.5 million if we finish in the top 6 - err let me think about it.
Signor - forget about it, our head coach has changed his mind.
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 04, 2016, 09:41:53 PM
Many players have high release clauses, doesn't mean that clubs won't deal if you get close
In fact there was one that was mentioned on sky for less than their release clause on deadline day.
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 04, 2016, 09:31:42 PM
On the Camacho deal, nothing wrong with offering 15m, how many times do people offer what is on the car windscreen?

It's a rarity in a seller's market.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 04, 2016, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:48:22 PM
Either nothings negotiable or everything's negotiable. Nothing wrong with a £15 million to test the water.

Signor - £15 million for Camacho - non
Signor - £ 16 million for Camacho - err non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho - eeeeerrrrr non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho now & a further £1.5 million if we finish in the top 6 - err let me think about it

Sir - we need £17 million to buy Camacho's replacement, if you give us £17 milion now & £1 million if you finish in the top six you have a deal
Signor - We have a deal.


or
 Signor - £15 million for Camacho - non
Signor - £ 16 million for Camacho - err non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho - eeeeerrrrr non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho now & a further £1.5 million if we finish in the top 6 - err let me think about it.
Signor - forget about it, our head coach has changed his mind.

Or Release clause is €18m - You either agree to pay it and do business or you don't meet it and the talking stops before it begins. Camacho is Captain at Malaga, highly rated, well respected and someone they do not want to lose.

Everything is negotiable as long as both sides are willing. Malaga were willing if the release fee was met.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 09:53:18 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:50:28 PM
You tell me on a scale of 0 to 18,000,000 who waited till the last minute?

Whoever is in charge of our buying policy i'd say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 04, 2016, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:48:22 PM
Either nothings negotiable or everything's negotiable. Nothing wrong with a £15 million to test the water.

Signor - £15 million for Camacho - non
Signor - £ 16 million for Camacho - err non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho - eeeeerrrrr non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho now & a further £1.5 million if we finish in the top 6 - err let me think about it

Sir - we need £17 million to buy Camacho's replacement, if you give us £17 milion now & £1 million if you finish in the top six you have a deal
Signor - We have a deal.


or
 Signor - £15 million for Camacho - non
Signor - £ 16 million for Camacho - err non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho - eeeeerrrrr non
Signor - £16.5 million for Camacho now & a further £1.5 million if we finish in the top 6 - err let me think about it.
Signor - forget about it, our head coach has changed his mind.

Or how about "In today's market he's worth 25m to us but is someone offers us 18m we are obliged to sell him.  If you come on under 18m we will not entertain it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 04, 2016, 09:50:47 PM
It's a rarity in a seller's market.

According to the chairman we were well down the road. That would suggest that Malaga were prepared to negotiate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 04, 2016, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:57:47 PM
According to the chairman we were well down the road. That would suggest that Malaga were prepared to negotiate.

Malaga were assuming we would meet the 18m release clause, seeing as we knew what it was. We then offered 15m plus 3m deferred.  No deal!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 09:57:47 PM
According to the chairman we were well down the road. That would suggest that Malaga were prepared to negotiate.

They were for 18,000,000 euros

In fact they probably didn't want to negotiate at all, but, they would have no choice, because we activated his release clause.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 10:07:04 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 04, 2016, 09:54:08 PM
Or how about "In today's market he's worth 25m to us but is someone offers us 18m we are obliged to sell him.  If you come on under 18m we will not entertain it.

Haven't got a problem with that either.

Nick - They won't budge under £18 million Tone, what do you think?

Tone - Forget it Nick, he's not worth that.

Nick - But we've only got a couple of hours Tone

Tone - No he's not worth it, tell you what the lad MCarthy's just come up at Everton, lets go for him.

Nick - OK Tone but we're running out of time

Tone - MCarthy Nick & don't let me down

Nick - OK Tone we'll try our best.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 10:11:22 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 10:07:04 PM
Haven't got a problem with that either.

Nick - They won't budge under £18 million Tone, what do you think?

Tone - Forget it Nick, he's not worth that.

Nick - But we've only got a couple of hours Tone

Tone - No he's not worth it, tell you what the lad MCarthy's just come up at Everton, lets go for him.

Nick - OK Tone but we're running out of time

Tone - MCarthy Nick & don't let me down

Nick - OK Tone we'll try our best.

|It's got nothing to do with Pulis what we pay for players, thats why we have got Hammond.

Tone:- 18 million? Forget it I don't think he's worth it.

Nick:- Don't worry about that Tone, let me worry about that, you just get the lad playing well for the Albion

If Pulis said no really if you buy him, I won't play him, thats different.

Pulis has cocked up imo, (Assuming Pulis has said to Hammond that this is a player he would like to sign) but all of this is irrelevent, because we didn't activate his release clause.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 10:11:22 PM
|It's got nothing to do with Pulis what we pay for players, thats why we have got Hammond.

Tone:- 18 million? Forget it I don't think he's worth it.

Nick:- Don't worry about that Tone, let me worry about that, you just get the lad playing well for the Albion

I think you'll find it's Richard Garlick who is in charge of the purse strings, & I think I'm losing the will to live with this argument. You & I have a totally different vision of what went on last Wednesday. I believe Pulis, Hammond, John Williams & Richard Garlick all had an input into the dealings, with Pulis taking a lead role (as he should with his responsibility as head coach).
You seem to believe that Pulis left Nick Hammond with a shopping list, & when he couldn't get the players that Pulis identified, he put in his own substitutes.

Even though John Williams said that Pulis did get the players he identified, & he (Pulis) pulled the plug on the Camacho deal.
Jim you believe what you want to believe, for my part I believe the Chairman.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 10:40:00 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 04, 2016, 10:26:45 PM
I think you'll find it's Richard Garlick who is in charge of the purse strings, & I think I'm losing the will to live with this argument. You & I have a totally different vision of what went on last Wednesday. I believe Pulis, Hammond, John Williams & Richard Garlick all had an input into the dealings, with Pulis taking a lead role (as he should with his responsibility as head coach).
You seem to believe that Pulis left Nick Hammond with a shopping list, & when he couldn't get the players that Pulis identified, he put in his own substitutes.

Even though John Williams said that Pulis did get the players he identified, & he (Pulis) pulled the plug on the Camacho deal.
Jim you believe what you want to believe, for my part I believe the Chairman.

Fine, if Pulis asked for Phillips, Chadli, Galloway, Robson-Kanu, and Nyom and got them, there is no problem, the guys in the suits bought the players the manager asked for, it's a well oiled machine. For a net of 13 million and Pulis keeps the Albion up, I would be giving the guy a pay rise.

Happy days.

I don't know if Hammond did or didn't put players in that Pulis hasn't stated he wanted to sign.

I'm just trying to make sense of "footballing reasons"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on September 04, 2016, 11:50:42 PM
The reason we didn't pursue a deal for Camachio further was for quote "footballing reasons". Am I right in thinking Camachio is a defensive midfielder? Do you think someone at the club has said, hold on, we have Yacob and Fletcher  already. We shouldn't be investing that much in another defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 11:57:06 PM
Quote from: alex1 on September 04, 2016, 11:50:42 PM
The reason we didn't pursue a deal for Camachio further was for quote "footballing reasons". Am I right in thinking Camachio is a defensive midfielder? Do you think someone at the club has said, hold on, we have Yacob and Fletcher  already. We shouldn't be investing that much in another defensive midfielder.

That would make sense, but then why are we looking at players in areas we have covered?

I don't know anything, I'm not itk, I suppose none of us do really.

Anyway, it'll soon be next week with a fresh set of things to moan about!!

What's done is done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on September 05, 2016, 01:33:38 AM
Quote from: alex1 on September 04, 2016, 11:50:42 PM
The reason we didn't pursue a deal for Camachio further was for quote "footballing reasons". Am I right in thinking Camachio is a defensive midfielder? Do you think someone at the club has said, hold on, we have Yacob and Fletcher  already. We shouldn't be investing that much in another defensive midfielder.

and we have a guy named Momo knocking on the door asking for a kickabout
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 05, 2016, 07:56:41 AM
This season will entail of 4 months moaning about the summer and another 4 moaning about January. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on September 05, 2016, 08:55:23 AM
He's so bloody minded you can just see him deliberately setting up 9-0-1 on Saturday to dare the club to sack him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 05, 2016, 08:56:23 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on September 04, 2016, 04:12:41 PM
Don't know how true but the reason Pulis was not at friendly game yesterday was because he was at family funeral so no conspiracy.

Also not true apparently.
Watching Bournemouth.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-wasnt-attendance-west-11841671
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 05, 2016, 09:13:50 AM
Quote from: Aixelsyd on September 05, 2016, 01:33:38 AM
and we have a guy named Momo knocking on the door asking for a kickabout

Cover on a free or an 18m bomb squad member. Sounds like we've done the right thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 05, 2016, 09:43:06 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 05, 2016, 09:13:50 AM
Cover on a free or an 18m bomb squad member. Sounds like we've done the right thing.

I saw bits of the Delhi game the pic quality was really bad, but for a bloke who hasn't done much recently he looked pretty good.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 05, 2016, 10:00:08 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 05, 2016, 08:56:23 AM
Also not true apparently.
Watching Bournemouth.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-wasnt-attendance-west-11841671

Just goes to prove even people at the club don't know what is happening.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 05, 2016, 11:42:04 AM
Bet Victor just reduced odds to EVENS for TP to be sacked. I wonder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 05, 2016, 12:24:23 PM
Quote from: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 05, 2016, 11:42:04 AM
Bet Victor just reduced odds to EVENS for TP to be sacked. I wonder.

What do you wonder?  Just means a few bets have been placed...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 05, 2016, 12:26:09 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 05, 2016, 12:24:23 PM
What do you wonder?  Just means a few bets have been placed...

Let us dream Jacko... stop being realistic!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 05, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
If Pulis wasn't there then where was Kemp?

Very disrespectful to our guests and the two lads on trial.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 05, 2016, 12:49:09 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on September 05, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
If Pulis wasn't there then where was Kemp?

Very disrespectful to our guests and the two lads on trial.

Agreed. The whole thing is just strange.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 05, 2016, 02:35:51 PM
Update from Pat Murphy:

BBC Midlands football reporter

Posted at
12:55


West Brom boss Tony Pulis will not be resigning - despite being disappointed by the club's failure to land some of his preferred targets this summer.

The Baggies broke their club record for £13m Nacer Chadli, but a deadline day deal for Sporting Lisbon midfielder William Carvalho did not materialise.

Pulis was absent from Saturday's friendly against Delhi Dynamos, fuelling speculation he would quit.

But Pulis was scouting his next Premier League opponents Bournemouth.

The former Gillingham, Bristol City, Stoke manager walked away from his previous job with Crystal Palace in August 2014. That was believed to involve a dispute over bonuses.

The 58-year-old will now work with the squad he has until January.




Anyone else interpret that as Pulis' defence statement to John Williams letter without directly putting his name to it. Interesting what Pulis seems to have fed Pat Murphy re Camacho and Carvalho amongst other things!?

Basically Pulis is saying 'you'll have to sack me' if you want me gone.................
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on September 05, 2016, 04:41:44 PM
Feels very much like Pulis circling the wagons. My read on it is that he can tell he hasn't got much of a future at the club so is focusing on his own reputation now, rather than doing what's best for the club. He knows his support among the fans is dwindling fast (even those who still back him must acknowledge this), the hierarchy seem to not be backing him any more and I can't speak about his support from the players. Simply put, he's a dead man walking and knows it. I can't see the point of continuing in this state of limbo, surely neither party benefits?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 05, 2016, 04:47:42 PM
Not a healthy situation for anyone concerned now. I've got little doubt Pulis wouldn't mind at all being sacked tomorrow with a pay off. Similarly from comments made it seems there's certainly an amount of frustration from some at the club with Pulis over the transfer window, or at least an attempt to push blame on to him. Either way you don't make the statement Williams released if you are generally happy with Pulis. So manager probably happy to leave, and club probably happy for him to go.

Peace wont be sacking him as he's not going to be in charge in a few weeks time
Lai wont sack him as he doesn't own the club yet
Williams seems little more than a go between at the moment although that may change once the takeover completed
Pulis wont walk as he leaves behind a payoff and it would risk damaging his reputation after he pulled the same stunt at Palace.

It's pretty clear the comments from Murphy have come either directly from Pulis or indirectly from someone very close to him. It also sounds like he is readying his defence for him potentially leaving in the near future but again I don't see a scenario where that would happen in the next 6/8 weeks.

Pulis is a very political manager, Stoke fans will tell how how he was very fond of starting fires as they call it. I really cant see this situation playing out well for anyone over the next couple of months.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 05, 2016, 05:06:37 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 05, 2016, 02:35:51 PM
Update from Pat Murphy:

BBC Midlands football reporter

Posted at
12:55


West Brom boss Tony Pulis will not be resigning - despite being disappointed by the club's failure to land some of his preferred targets this summer.

The Baggies broke their club record for £13m Nacer Chadli, but a deadline day deal for Sporting Lisbon midfielder William Carvalho did not materialise.

Pulis was absent from Saturday's friendly against Delhi Dynamos, fuelling speculation he would quit.

But Pulis was scouting his next Premier League opponents Bournemouth.

The former Gillingham, Bristol City, Stoke manager walked away from his previous job with Crystal Palace in August 2014. That was believed to involve a dispute over bonuses.

The 58-year-old will now work with the squad he has until January.




Anyone else interpret that as Pulis' defence statement to John Williams letter without directly putting his name to it. Interesting what Pulis seems to have fed Pat Murphy re Camacho and Carvalho amongst other things!?

Basically Pulis is saying 'you'll have to sack me' if you want me gone.................

That kinda says to me that the players we got Pulis did identify, but it seems to have only got the players lower down his list.

Mr Williams 'realistic targets'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 05, 2016, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 05, 2016, 04:47:42 PM
Not a healthy situation for anyone concerned now. I've got little doubt Pulis wouldn't mind at all being sacked tomorrow with a pay off. Similarly from comments made it seems there's certainly an amount of frustration from some at the club with Pulis over the transfer window, or at least an attempt to push blame on to him. Either way you don't make the statement Williams released if you are generally happy with Pulis. So manager probably happy to leave, and club probably happy for him to go.

Peace wont be sacking him as he's not going to be in charge in a few weeks time
Lai wont sack him as he doesn't own the club yet
Williams seems little more than a go between at the moment although that may change once the takeover completed
Pulis wont walk as he leaves behind a payoff and it would risk damaging his reputation after he pulled the same stunt at Palace.

It's pretty clear the comments from Murphy have come either directly from Pulis or indirectly from someone very close to him. It also sounds like he is readying his defence for him potentially leaving in the near future but again I don't see a scenario where that would happen in the next 6/8 weeks.

Pulis is a very political manager, Stoke fans will tell how how he was very fond of starting fires as they call it. I really cant see this situation playing out well for anyone over the next couple of months.

Pullis has a ttrack record of poor purchases, overspending other peoples money, complaining about transfers and walking away or being asked to resign.

Can't wait for the new owner and subsequent new manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 05, 2016, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on September 05, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
If Pulis wasn't there then where was Kemp?

Very disrespectful to our guests and the two lads on trial.
Was he definitely not there ? If Pulis walked tomorrow, I would expect and hope that Garner would be in temporary charge. From the blurb when he came to us he is very keen to get into management which is why he left Palace as they wanted him to work more in their academy. He seems to be less entrenched in 'team Pulis' than Kemp and O'Connor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 05, 2016, 06:39:19 PM
If it's true that Pulis is on £1.7 million a year & his contract is complete on June 30th 2016, by my calculations, it would cost us circa £1.5 miilion to buy him out.

He saved £15 million by not pursuing Camacho. There you go tara Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 05, 2016, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 05, 2016, 06:39:19 PM
If it's true that Pulis is on £1.7 million a year & his contract is complete on June 30th 2016, by my calculations, it would cost us circa £1.5 miilion to buy him out.

He saved £15 million by not pursuing Camacho. There you go tara Tone

While I cannot be sure but the number I've seen quoted is £2m but either he will be fired or he'll run the contract down. I cannot see him resigning nor can I see the club extending the contract there just seems too much friction between club and Pulis.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Stroller on September 05, 2016, 07:30:32 PM
“Right, do we need results or do we need to find a way of playing to entertain people?”
Interesting take on the state of Premier League football from Paul Scholes here:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/05/paul-scholes-non-league-football-premier-league (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/05/paul-scholes-non-league-football-premier-league)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ronny boy on September 05, 2016, 07:35:38 PM
Fully expect Pulis to be here at least until the takeover completes.

Before that happens we've probably got 4 games, then we hit the next international break. His time here could all hinge on these 4 games with the new owner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 05, 2016, 07:42:43 PM
Quote from: The Stroller on September 05, 2016, 07:30:32 PM
“Right, do we need results or do we need to find a way of playing to entertain people?”
Interesting take on the state of Premier League football from Paul Scholes here:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/05/paul-scholes-non-league-football-premier-league (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/05/paul-scholes-non-league-football-premier-league)

great sentiments, but, terribly written !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 05, 2016, 07:44:13 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 05, 2016, 07:42:43 PM
great sentiments, but, terribly written !

If you read it in the voice of Paul Scholes, its a little more manageable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 05, 2016, 07:46:51 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 05, 2016, 07:44:13 PM
If you read it in the voice of Paul Scholes, its a little more manageable.
I couldn't read a whole book written like that !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Stroller on September 05, 2016, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 05, 2016, 07:42:43 PM
great sentiments, but, terribly written !
Absolutely!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 06, 2016, 01:19:18 AM
By any means I am not s fan of Tony's interpretation of the beautiful game but in relation to his stubbornness in regards to the type of player's he was trying to bring in I can see what he was trying to do. Both sissoko and carvallio are midfield power houses athletic with box to box engine's. He seems to have had concerns about Camacho's fitness and wasn't willing to take a gamble on him maybe he thought that the club would push the boat out for carvallio which was a priority for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 06, 2016, 06:56:05 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 05, 2016, 06:39:19 PM
If it's true that Pulis is on £1.7 million a year & his contract is complete on June 30th 2016, by my calculations, it would cost us circa £1.5 miilion to buy him out.

He saved £15 million by not pursuing Camacho. There you go tara Tone

Don't forget the backroom staff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 06, 2016, 07:00:53 AM
Quote from: AlbionBest on September 06, 2016, 06:56:05 AM
Don't forget the backroom staff.

Yes they are very much Tony's boys which underlines the foolishness of giving a manager (any manger) free reign on appointments.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 06, 2016, 08:09:56 AM
The lads are back in for training today apparently, so you'd think TP will break his silence?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on September 06, 2016, 08:19:17 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 06, 2016, 08:09:56 AM
The lads are back in for training today apparently, so you'd think TP will break his silence?

We wont hear from TP until friday when he does his pre match interview.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 06, 2016, 12:59:14 PM
He'll still be here until the takeover goes through, then he'll get the bullet as Lai and co bring in their own man.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on September 06, 2016, 01:46:33 PM
We live in hope!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 06, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
Does anybody know if TP took training today? The silence from the club & TP is deafening
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 06, 2016, 08:29:25 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 06, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
Does anybody know if TP took training today? The silence from the club & TP is deafening
Dont be astonished if they only ask him about Saido😀
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 06, 2016, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 06, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
Does anybody know if TP took training today? The silence from the club & TP is deafening
The club are hardly going to announce that TP took training today ? Silence is the norm at this stage of the week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Beefy on September 08, 2016, 10:28:50 PM
Has anyone heard from TP this week ?
Is his press conference tomorrow ?
Should be interesting, Saido, Transfer Window, Pulling plug on transfer deals,
Maybe we will start to see some answers to what actually went on ?
Not sure if everyone will agree but TP does not usually shy away from the truth  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on September 08, 2016, 10:52:01 PM
Trust me, the journos will not ask him difficult questions. I guess they will be kicked out if they dare !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on September 08, 2016, 10:56:51 PM
Know a couple of guys who went to Albion assembly tonight. They both said he wasn't exactly backed by Hammond and garlic and got the impression he is holding us back. Can see him going once takeover is completed. Especially if we lose the weekend...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 08, 2016, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: baggie96 on September 08, 2016, 10:56:51 PM
Know a couple of guys who went to Albion assembly tonight. They both said he wasn't exactly backed by Hammond and garlic and got the impression he is holding us back. Can see him going once takeover is completed. Especially if we lose the weekend...

Interesting. Did anyone go to the assembly from here tonight?

Anyway, to answer Beefy - Pulis's press conference will be mid-day tomorrow. You say he doesn't shy from the truth but as has been alluded to on here, the local journalists don't really ask him probing questions either. It will be the usual stuff, ask about Berahino - Pulis says he's unhappy with the transfers whilst bigging up those who arrived and that he's happy to continue as manager etc...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on September 08, 2016, 11:23:29 PM
I just read the first page of this thread, and everyone said how delighted they were with the appointment

How opinions change. We went from hating TP when at Stoke, to being delighted with his appointment, and back to hating him.

Still I suppose after Alan Irvine the delight was understandable
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 08, 2016, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: baggie53 on September 08, 2016, 11:23:29 PM
I just read the first page of this thread, and everyone said how delighted they were with the appointment

How opinions change. We went from hating TP when at Stoke, to being delighted with his appointment, and back to hating him.

Still I suppose after Alan Irvine the delight was understandable
I don't think it's true to say that everyone was delighted with the appointment.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 08, 2016, 11:42:53 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 08, 2016, 11:22:04 PM
Interesting. Did anyone go to the assembly from here tonight?
Presumably kc56wba went, as he/she was asking for people to suggest questions to be asked at the assembly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 08, 2016, 11:54:07 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 08, 2016, 11:41:36 PM
I don't think it's true to say that everyone was delighted with the appointment.....

 I was.......

We were going to hell in a handcart at the time......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 09, 2016, 01:04:49 AM
I think at the time he was appointed most fans were in favour of anyone who wasn't Alan Irvine, we are now at the point where anyone who isn't Pulis would be a relief.

What amuses me was the fans who desperately tried to kid themselves that somehow the coach we were hiring was different to the one that had left Stoke, he wasn't and without the benefit of a promotion the honeymoon period was never going to be longer than the end of that season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 09, 2016, 02:12:15 AM
Quote from: Standaman on September 09, 2016, 01:04:49 AM
I think at the time he was appointed most fans were in favour of anyone who wasn't Alan Irvine, we are now at the point where anyone who isn't Pulis would be a relief.

What amuses me was the fans who desperately tried to kid themselves that somehow the coach we were hiring was different to the one that had left Stoke, he wasn't and without the benefit of a promotion the honeymoon period was never going to be longer than the end of that season.

I made it clear at the time of TP's appointment that I was in favour of TP coming in and saving our season from what I saw as certain relegation under Irvine. I also made it clear that I did not want TP to stay on and build a Pulisball team with us. As soon as I saw this happening I immediately pulled my support of TP. I haven't watched much Pulisball, or posted much on here after I made clear (in this thread) exactly how predictable it was that this nonsense we are seeing now would unfold over time with TP in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 09, 2016, 07:03:19 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 08, 2016, 11:42:53 PM
Presumably kc56wba went, as he/she was asking for people to suggest questions to be asked at the assembly.

Kc56 probably did go, but it's private untill the minutes are released I believe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 09, 2016, 07:31:05 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 08, 2016, 11:54:07 PM
I was.......

We were going to hell in a handcart at the time......

So was I and he did the job that was needed as has drilled the squad well defensively.
However, we now need to build upon this and capitalise upon the new regime with new ideas and a team to reunite and galvanise the split fan base.
The transfer window and first two poor home games increasingly make a case that Pulis won't be able to deliver what's needed for the club now.
However, most of us realise that getting rid is frought with dangers with such a limited squad at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 09, 2016, 08:42:03 AM
I was pro the appointment at the start because it was what was needed at that moment in time but it was only a short term fix for me. Should have gone at the end of last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on September 09, 2016, 09:25:15 AM
TP: "The five players that John says I was happy with weren't the marquee players I wanted to bring in."

TP: "To try and say those were the five that I wanted was wrong. I've spoken to John about it."


These are Pulis's comments from the press conference just, can't see him lasting much longer now to be honest. Obviously not happy with he window or the chairmans statement
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 09:26:16 AM
Well it looks like he's here for a while yet, just done the press conference. Says we just have to get on with it.

From the tone though, there are clear divisions, & I'm not sure he wants to be here anymore. Can't see the marriage lasting a lot longer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 09:50:46 AM
If what TP is saying is true then that's an appalling statement from Williams.  If the board want him gone then just get rid, in the grand scheme of things it could cost the club far more than a few million.  And after that transfer window it's not like we don't have the cash spare.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 09, 2016, 10:24:46 AM
Seems to me that his day's our numbered, most managers usually lose their jobs when they questioned chairman.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 10:46:41 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 09:50:46 AM
If what TP is saying is true then that's an appalling statement from Williams.
Williams didn't say that we signed the 5 players Pulis had at the top of his list, what he said was "our Head Coach Tony Pulis is very selective and particular about the players he recruits so it follows that the new team members will add significantly to his first-team options. Tony wanted five and we got five." If he was intending to say that we got all 5 of the players Pulis wanted, he would have said "Tony wanted five players and we got the five players he wanted". What he did say merely refers to numbers.

As far as "add significantly to his first-team options" is concerned, well they do if you think about, otherwise we'd have 14 senior professionals at the club.

I'm sure if any manager identified his 5 top targets, the club wouldn't be able to sign all of them. What we can say, which I've seen written elsewhere by people who are ITK and/or people who were at the Assembly meeting last night, is that Pulis did agree to all 5 of the signings that were made. It's also worth mulling over what kind of motivation Pulis's comments today give to 4 of the 5 players who were signed?

One thing seems to be pretty certain though - the relationship between Williams and Pulis is holed below the waterline. If so, it's just a question of how long it takes to sink.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 11:02:25 AM
More is continuing to emerge from this morning's press conference, such as:

When asked if he had contemplated walking out, he answered: "No. This club is different to any club I've been at before, the way it's managed. There are people around doing different things that I've never had. It's been a good experience for me and I want to get through it, with that experience. Because it's more like a continental-run club. Whereas before, at other clubs, I've had much more control over things, this club is different, and I really wanted to experience it. Maybe in a couple of years time when I write my book, I'll let you know exactly what I experienced."

It appears the only way Pulis will be leaving the Baggies is if the new regime decide to sack him after they take complete control next week.

The 58-year-old divides opinion among supporters, but he called for more long-term stability at the club.

"There's always a negativity around football clubs, you have to accept that. Before I joined the football club, Alan Irvine was playing fantastic football but wasn't getting the results, so people were moaning about that. Now it's spun around. We're not playing fantastic football, so they say, so they're moaning about us. You're always going to get that situation where there's a group of supporters who are never going to be happy.

The changeover of manager at this football club is extraordinary. We should try and get some stability at this football club, try and build something and push on. Especially now, you've got the change of ownership. The Chinese will be taking over soon, it's up to them to set their stall out about how they want this football club to be run in the future. Whether they want stability and really build on the football club or whether they're prepared to do what's happened in the past and keep changing managers over."

The 2 things there that stand out for me are the bizarre statement that we were playing "fantastic football" under Alan Irvine and him referring to "the Chinese" once again, which I know hasn't sat comfortably with quite a few people each time he's said it.

Source: Express & Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/09/09/tony-pulis-chairmans-statement-was-wrong/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 09, 2016, 11:07:49 AM
Why did Williams put out such a statement in first place, have a chat with coach and then release something. This situation will only begin to fester and could go one of two ways pulis gets sacked after next poor result or Williams position becomes untenable if Tony goes on a run of good results which is possible in the short term either way they should have washed their dirty laundry behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 09, 2016, 11:13:57 AM
Quote from: paulosull on September 09, 2016, 11:07:49 AM
Why did Williams put out such a statement in first place, have a chat with coach and then release something. This situation will only begin to fester and could go one of two ways pulis gets sacked after next poor result or Williams position becomes untenable if Tony goes on a run of good results which is possible in the short term either way they should have washed their dirty laundry behind closed doors.
it does nothing to Williams. If it's as bad as we think, Either Pulis is fired or he leaves next summer. There is nothing that makes Williams position untenable. If anything it strengthens his position for Pulis to do well as he can say their players have improved the squad despite Pulis making it difficult for them,suggesting that the scouting and recruitment works.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: petjob on September 09, 2016, 11:15:50 AM
How much longer is Pulis going to 'slag off' our club and players.
SACK HIM NOW.............
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on September 09, 2016, 11:18:20 AM
He's losing the plot. 'A group of supporters who aren't happy' . Try the majority Tony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 11:26:16 AM
Quote from: Morany on September 09, 2016, 11:18:20 AM
He's losing the plot. 'A group of supporters who aren't happy' . Try the majority Tony.
I'm not sure it is the majority at the moment. If it was the majority, there would be "Pulis Out" chants and banners in evidence at matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on September 09, 2016, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 11:26:16 AM
I'm not sure it is the majority at the moment. If it was the majority, there would be "Pulis Out" chants and banners in evidence at matches.

Banners won't come from the majority. I haven't got the time to make a banner. The loud audible boos and the end of the game are enough, the seemingly decreasing attendance of games, the lower (still unsurprisingly ) yet to be confirmed ST numbers, the ever decreasing away following.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 11:50:07 AM
IMO the difference is, before the acquisition was announced,TP was about as good as it gets, & in that scenario, I was prepared to defend the appointment & all it brings.
Once the acquisition is confirmed, I would hope there is scope for improvement, but until that happens, we are where we are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 09, 2016, 11:59:47 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 11:26:16 AM
I'm not sure it is the majority at the moment. If it was the majority, there would be "Pulis Out" chants and banners in evidence at matches.
I wouldn't be so crass as to deface a pefectly good bed sheet but that doesn't mean I'm happy with the rubbish I'm currently watching every game.
I don't particulalry want him out per-se I just want to enjoy watching my team at least try to win even if it is just a little bit better to watch
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on September 09, 2016, 12:03:07 PM
Pulis bingo for the game Saturday - 'The'yve been able to bring in quality like Wilshire'  'They've spent vast amounts of money' 'We can't compete with that'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 09, 2016, 12:07:39 PM
Quote from: Morany on September 09, 2016, 12:03:07 PM
Pulis bingo for the game Saturday - 'The'yve been able to bring in quality like Wilshire'  'They've spent vast amounts of money' 'We can't compete with that'

But we worked aaard.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 09, 2016, 12:10:47 PM
I'm fed up with his political statements to be honest but I can see why he's doing it after the highly political statement Williams released. His press conference today is his opportunity to ensure he gets another job soon in my view - it's obvious he knows he's finished here to me.

This is good for nobody and the sooner it's resolved the better.

Many fans (not sure it's a minority Tony, we're just not as outspoken as some fans at times and we don't really do banners) don't want Pulis to be the man to build something long term  - simple as that (shudder).

Alan Irvine didn't play good football Tony - who the hell told you that or maybe that's your idea of good football? Why don't you look at say Leicester, Bournemouth, Stoke for examples of similar sized clubs who at least try to play a more attacking game - not necessarily having to have loads of possession in the process?

We want a manager who
1) is in sync with the club not seemingly against it (he's admitted  he doesn't exactly fit the club's structure as he wants total control)
2) is in sync with many fans' identity (not all of course) of our wonderful club which involves being a david against goliath club but also having a proud history of trying to play at least a bit of attacking football with wingers (kids look of a few names from the past like Cunningham and even Jerome Thomas more recently) and being known for developing youth and players from lower leagues.

I've never know a manager so seemingly out of touch with a club and the wishes of many of it's supporters. Does he love the game of football or is he just a drill seargant?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 12:14:13 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on September 09, 2016, 11:59:47 AM
I wouldn't be so crass as to deface a pefectly good bed sheet but that doesn't mean I'm happy with the rubbish I'm currently watching every game.
I don't particulalry want him out per-se I just want to enjoy watching my team at least try to win even if it is just a little bit better to watch

Which ever way you look at it the suits in charge are ultimately responsible.

"We won't pay over inflated prices for players"

The board won't, not Pulis.

"We don't feel Pulis is the right man anymore"

Board employed him, board can sack him.

The only thing the board aren't directly responsible for is the way we approach 90 minutes, indirectly they may be, by not backing him and by employing him in the first place.

People get paid lots to make difficult choices or decisions.

I see people holding back on making tough calls, preferring to wait until circumstances make that decision not quite so tough.

Do I want Pulis gone? Yes most definately, Do I want overpaid non decision makers gone as well? For sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 09, 2016, 12:15:39 PM
Not a Pulis fan but at least he's being honest. In a world of spin and boring interviews he tells people what he thinks and what happened. What was he going to say after Williams statement? Everyone knows he got stiched up.

Hodgson, Irvine, Clarke, Mel and Pulis all commented on the challenges behind the scenes of managing west Brom. Are they all wrong?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 09, 2016, 12:22:09 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 09, 2016, 12:15:39 PM
Not a Pulis fan but at least he's being honest. In a world of spin and boring interviews he tells people what he thinks and what happened. What was he going to say after Williams statement? Everyone knows he got stiched up.

Hodgson, Irvine, Clarke, Mel and Pulis all commented on the challenges behind the scenes of managing west Brom. Are they all wrong?

Spot on. The common theme is the current board? If we want to act like a continental club get a coach who has a continental approach like say Southampton - not that bleeding hard is it?

For me, the really poor part for a while now has been recruitment - of mangers and players. short term, no vision , no plan, just blind, last-minute panic.

Leadership needed in this area.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 09, 2016, 12:15:39 PM
Not a Pulis fan but at least he's being honest. In a world of spin and boring interviews he tells people what he thinks and what happened. What was he going to say after Williams statement? Everyone knows he got stiched up.
Do they? I don't think enough is known about what happened and why to be able to claim that one way or the other.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 09, 2016, 12:32:22 PM
Feel like it was a case of an immovable object meeting an irresistible force.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 09, 2016, 12:37:40 PM
Nobody comes out of this looking good. Plenty of blame to lay at both doors.

For Williams/the club to come out with the statement they did publicly was either an attempt to cover their own back after they messed up, or to highlight that they felt they had identified good marquee players (Camacho) and it was Pulis who turned them own. Either way to come out with publicly shows their faith in Pulis is minimal.

If Pulis said I want 5 players and gave a realistic list and we got none of them then that's fair enough. However I'd be amazed if that was the case especially looking as his past history in how he conducted business as Stoke. It appears the possible Sissoko and Carvalho deals were first seriously looked at very late in the day. Both players were always out of our reach (similar to Slimani with the eventual fee) so if Pulis is kicking off because we didn't sign players of that caliber he can't have to many complaints.

The problem now is Pulis will have absolutely no hesitation in slating the club & players at every opportunity he gets from this point on. 100% he is gone at the end of the season and I'd be amazed if not before then so as his conference shows he will now be attempting to put as much blame on any shortcomings we see on the pitch on others to distance himself from it. At the same time the club are seemingly blaming Pulis for the same thing. With new owners keen to impress and Pulis not exactly one to shy away from public conflict I can't see this one being kept under wraps.

None of us really know whats gone on so can only speculate/guess/form opinions based on half truths but I'm fairly sure both parties are at fault. I dont think Williams comments were neededor helpful and now Pulis has gone and thrown a load of petrol on the flames Williams created (no specifically blaming Williams as we don't know who was behind the statement)

Best thing all round now is for Pulis to be gone within the next 2/3 weeks.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 09, 2016, 12:38:17 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 12:29:59 PM
Do they? I don't think enough is known about what happened and why to be able to claim that one way or the other.

The chairman released a statement after a transfer window. Why? To distance the board from what went on. Why release a statement at all? Especially one that brings in to question the current manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on September 09, 2016, 12:38:52 PM
TP's appointment has never sat well with me, but I accepted it as a 'necessary evil' at the time as we were heading only one way under AI.
The fact TP is still here into season number 3 is way too long for me with the altogether poor playing style etc that we are enduring. I would have been much happier with a 'thanks Tony & goodbye' at the end of last season.
I am well & truly past any acceptance of TP at my club & want him gone, preferably anytime in the next 5 mins.
I hear all the arguments that only TP can now keep us & reject them completely.
His comments in the press conference are another example of him finding a way to express him not liking the way the club is run around him & not having the absolute control he would clearly prefer. His 'joke' about writing a book to tell the whole story is another example of indirect critisism of the club for not being able to have it his way.
His persistant references to the new owners as "the chinese" is inappropriate & has more than a whiff of disrespect to it in my opionion.
Its fair to say, I'm not a TP fan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on September 09, 2016, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 09, 2016, 12:22:09 PM
Spot on. The common theme is the current board? If we want to act like a continental club get a coach who has a continental approach like say Southampton - not that bleeding hard is it?

For me, the really poor part for a while now has been recruitment - of mangers and players. short term, no vision , no plan, just blind, last-minute panic.

Leadership needed in this area.

And unfortunately, due to the lack of leadership and vision we seem to be falling more and more into a hole where the players we have will do very well to stay afloat in the premier league and Pulis is unfortunately, the best man to keep this bunch of players up.

If we do want rid of Pulis and to be successful, the structure HAS to change or at the very least the way we run the club with the structure that is currently in place dramatically changes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on September 09, 2016, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 09, 2016, 12:15:39 PM
Not a Pulis fan but at least he's being honest. In a world of spin and boring interviews he tells people what he thinks and what happened. What was he going to say after Williams statement? Everyone knows he got stiched up.

Hodgson, Irvine, Clarke, Mel and Pulis all commented on the challenges behind the scenes of managing west Brom. Are they all wrong?

I mentioned the same point on here a couple of years ago. Definitely a case of 'Too many cooks'. We seem to have managers of this, directors of that, chief this, chief that. I've lost count of the number of faceless members of the hierarchy, not having a clue on what they are in charge of or are meant to be doing. Surely there is a crossover in their job descriptions somewhere? No wonder we are such a joke. I bet they don't even know amongst themselves exactly who is responsible for what. It gives me a headache trying to work it out it's that confusing so God knows what it must be like to work within that complexed structure. What was so wrong with the old style of having a Chairman, a board of directors and manager? Not trendy or continental enough I don't suppose. Not flash or pretentious enough for this era of premier league bull.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on September 09, 2016, 12:41:18 PM
Christ I hope this is his last game in charge.  If not this one then the West Ham game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on September 09, 2016, 12:42:04 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 09, 2016, 12:10:47 PM
I'm fed up with his political statements to be honest but I can see why he's doing it after the highly political statement Williams released. His press conference today is his opportunity to ensure he gets another job soon in my view - it's obvious he knows he's finished here to me.

This is good for nobody and the sooner it's resolved the better.

Many fans (not sure it's a minority Tony, we're just not as outspoken as some fans at times and we don't really do banners) don't want Pulis to be the man to build something long term  - simple as that (shudder).

Alan Irvine didn't play good football Tony - who the hell told you that or maybe that's your idea of good football? Why don't you look at say Leicester, Bournemouth, Stoke for examples of similar sized clubs who at least try to play a more attacking game - not necessarily having to have loads of possession in the process?

We want a manager who
1) is in sync with the club not seemingly against it (he's admitted  he doesn't exactly fit the club's structure as he wants total control)
2) is in sync with many fans' identity (not all of course) of our wonderful club which involves being a david against goliath club but also having a proud history of trying to play at least a bit of attacking football

I've never know a manager so seemingly out of touch with a club and the wishes of many of it's supporters. Does he love the game of football or is he just a drill seargant?
Great comments
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 09, 2016, 12:51:06 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 11:02:25 AM
"There's always a negativity around football clubs, you have to accept that. Before I joined the football club, Alan Irvine was playing fantastic football but wasn't getting the results, so people were moaning about that. Now it's spun around. We're not playing fantastic football, so they say, so they're moaning about us. You're always going to get that situation where there's a group of supporters who are never going to be happy.."

There isn't always negativity around football clubs. Sometimes fans can be quite happy. Maybe Tony has just never experienced that.

Also we weren't playing fantastic football - we were playing a slightly more open version of Pulisball, and people hated the performances as well as the results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 12:55:33 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 09, 2016, 12:22:09 PM
Spot on. The common theme is the current board? If we want to act like a continental club get a coach who has a continental approach like say Southampton - not that bleeding hard is it?

For me, the really poor part for a while now has been recruitment - of mangers and players. short term, no vision , no plan, just blind, last-minute panic.

Leadership needed in this area.

Don't agree, there's always been vision & leadership, ever since JP took responsibility, vision & leadership have been his two outstanding qualities, but..................He's been learning on the job, as will Mr Lai. The big problem for us has always been cash. We've never had the cash to be able to afford a decent continental style head coach, they've either been trainees or second rate like Pepe Mel.

Appointing Pulis must have been a really difficult decision for JP, it's almost an admission of failure of his vision for the development of the club, & yet WBAFC must remain a PL club in order to attract the right buyer. I suspect that JP must have been in meaningful dialogue with Mr Lai way back in April when we appointed Nick Hammond, & Mr Lai's wealth would allow us to return to the continental style that was JP's original vision.

An interesting comment for me came from last night's assembly notes. When describing some of the problems we had in getting players, the two execs said that some players just didn't want to come. I've never believed that players wouldn't want to come to a football club just because of a manager, now I'm not so sure.
Pulis may have specifically identified the players he wanted, but for whatever reason we didn't get them. could have been money, could have been loads of things, but as others have said, could have been, they just didn't want to play for our manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 09, 2016, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 09, 2016, 12:15:39 PM
Not a Pulis fan but at least he's being honest. In a world of spin and boring interviews he tells people what he thinks and what happened. What was he going to say after Williams statement? Everyone knows he got stiched up.

Hodgson, Irvine, Clarke, Mel and Pulis all commented on the challenges behind the scenes of managing west Brom. Are they all wrong?

Is he being honest? He's giving a version of events that suit him. No reason to believe any more or less of what he said that what Williams says.

Easy to blame the board and of course they have their faults (especially in the last 2 years or so) but they have on the whole done a remarkable job to establish us as top flight club. As for the managers, yes some have mentioned it's not the easiest club to manage but you will find similar comments from managers at clubs all over the country. Lets not forget Pulis flounced out of his last club in a strop so it's fair to say that there's the possibility at least that the problem at least partly lies with him. As for the other managers....

Hodgson got the England job off the back of managing us so can't have to many complaints.

Mowbray has failed at every club he's been to since us but won the league with us and the fans raved about him (no matter how convenient it is for many to brush over that now). Has he had a better job before or since?

Clarke managed a top 8 finish with us and since leaving has gone absolutely nowhere.

Overall Di Matteo was a big success with us. Since leaving he 'won' a Champions League with Chelsea which is obviously a much bigger achievement. He was then promptly sacked and now works for that clown at Villa. I'm sure he wont see the Albion job as to strange in comparison.

Mel was a strange situation from Day 1 and Irvine a ridiculous appointment. The point is though apart from Mel and his record in Spain and the Irvine episode all of those managers achieved good things here. They all will list their achievements at Albion either top or very near the top of there managerial careers and none of them have gone on to enjoy success elsewhere since leaving us and in most cases have fallen off the radar (RDM CL win aside).

I'm sure we are not a perfect club to manage, but I'm also sure that the perfect club doesn't exist. The common theme seems to be that the more recent appointments are the worse ones which coincides with the takeover gathering momentum. I think Pulis was bought in to do a job and did it and it was anticipated he would be long gone by now. The takeover dragged on and as a result he is still here which means we now have a structure and environment that was never meant for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 12:55:33 PM
Don't agree, there's always been vision & leadership, ever since JP took responsibility, vision & leadership have been his two outstanding qualities, but..................He's been learning on the job, as will Mr Lai. The big problem for us has always been cash. We've never had the cash to be able to afford a decent continental style head coach, they've either been trainees or second rate like Pepe Mel.

Appointing Pulis must have been a really difficult decision for JP, it's almost an admission of failure of his vision for the development of the club, & yet WBAFC must remain a PL club in order to attract the right buyer. I suspect that JP must have been in meaningful dialogue with Mr Lai way back in April when we appointed Nick Hammond, & Mr Lai's wealth would allow us to return to the continental style that was JP's original vision.

An interesting comment for me came from last night's assembly notes. When describing some of the problems we had in getting players, the two execs said that some players just didn't want to come. I've never believed that players wouldn't want to come to a football club just because of a manager, now I'm not so sure.
Pulis may have specifically identified the players he wanted, but for whatever reason we didn't get them. could have been money, could have been loads of things, but as others have said, could have been, they just didn't want to play for our manager.

Sorry John, but I have never heard so much bias rubbish in my entire life.

Vision?

Talk me through his decision to reduce the capacity of the Hawthorns?

Leadership?

Give me 3 examples of how his leadership has had a positive impact on this club. If by employing lots of people equates to leadership then tell me what those people have done?

If you equate leadership by employing people to do something, it doesn't get done and then sacking them you may have a point.

You don't like Pulis, 95% don't, we get that.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Big Al on September 09, 2016, 01:04:02 PM
I interpreted the press conference as typical Albion, we went out to buy a marquee and bought a gazebo.
Afterwards nobody wants to admit they thought they were the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on September 09, 2016, 01:05:32 PM
TP's statement might be completely accurate and even justifiable in protecting his own reputation but it's awful from a man management perspective.  He has basically said to 5 new recruits (20% of our squad) that they are only there because he could get people he wanted.  How would that make any of us feel on our first day at work??  I know that HRK, Nyom etc caught know deep down that they aren't word beaters but they don't want to read about it or have their friends, family and peers reading about it so publicly.  Even our opponents can use it against them, telling hem that they are only on the pitch in a blue and white striped shirt because all the proper footballers didn't come here. 

He could have phrased it so differently "we didn't get every target we identified but that happens at every club and I'm delighted that we have brought in some excellent players who I'm sure will make a big difference".   It's vague enough that every player thinks "he means me!" but also sets the record straight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 09, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 09, 2016, 12:40:49 PM
I mentioned the same point on here a couple of years ago. Definitely a case of 'Too many cooks'. We seem to have managers of this, directors of that, chief this, chief that. I've lost count of the number of faceless members of the hierarchy, not having a clue on what they are in charge of or are meant to be doing. Surely there is a crossover in their job descriptions somewhere? No wonder we are such a joke. I bet they don't even know amongst themselves exactly who is responsible for what. It gives me a headache trying to work it out it's that confusing so God knows what it must be like to work within that complexed structure. What was so wrong with the old style of having a Chairman, a board of directors and manager? Not trendy or continental enough I don't suppose. Not flash or pretentious enough for this era of premier league bull.

yes I can vividly remember those top 10 finishes with everyone complaining about Ashworth and all the complex structures surrounding DoF roles etc.

The problem isn't the structure as such, it's just that we are not doing it well. I personally much prefer the continental model and would like to see us return to it. I think the way Southampton have run for the last few years is very similar to how we ran under Ashworth (save for youth players) but on a bigger scale now with the increased finance. I think if the most recent boom had happened 6 years ago there's a decent chance we would have absolute flourished under it. As it is now we have a continental style system in place, but just about as English (yes I know he's Welsh) style manager working under it. It's no wonder it doesn't work for either party as I'm sure Hammond etc are dong there jobs in fining players like Camacho, and Pulis is doing what he knows best and has likely been given some remit to do in choosing his own players. It's inevitable there's a clash as a result and so blame lies on both sides, but I truly believe it was never intended Pulis would be here this long to work in the current framework.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIE5 on September 09, 2016, 01:12:41 PM
How unprofessional that the manager comes out and says something else. Really if they didn't agree was there any need for the statement. We had been treated like rubbish anyway. Another void wouldn't have made a difference.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 01:20:22 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 10:46:41 AM
Williams didn't say that we signed the 5 players Pulis had at the top of his list, what he said was "our Head Coach Tony Pulis is very selective and particular about the players he recruits so it follows that the new team members will add significantly to his first-team options. Tony wanted five and we got five." If he was intending to say that we got all 5 of the players Pulis wanted, he would have said "Tony wanted five players and we got the five players he wanted". What he did say merely refers to numbers.

In that case it's still a poor statement from Williams unless all Pulis does is state the number of players he wants?  If Pulis asked for 5 good quality players and gets give 5 poor players, then the board is culpable.  You can't just hide behind "he asked for 5, he got 5" surely?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 09, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 09, 2016, 01:02:57 PM
Is he being honest? He's giving a version of events that suit him. No reason to believe any more or less of what he said that what Williams says.

Easy to blame the board and of course they have their faults (especially in the last 2 years or so) but they have on the whole done a remarkable job to establish us as top flight club. As for the managers, yes some have mentioned it's not the easiest club to manage but you will find similar comments from managers at clubs all over the country. Lets not forget Pulis flounced out of his last club in a strop so it's fair to say that there's the possibility at least that the problem at least partly lies with him. As for the other managers....

Hodgson got the England job off the back of managing us so can't have to many complaints.

Mowbray has failed at every club he's been to since us but won the league with us and the fans raved about him (no matter how convenient it is for many to brush over that now). Has he had a better job before or since?

Clarke managed a top 8 finish with us and since leaving has gone absolutely nowhere.

Overall Di Matteo was a big success with us. Since leaving he 'won' a Champions League with Chelsea which is obviously a much bigger achievement. He was then promptly sacked and now works for that clown at Villa. I'm sure he wont see the Albion job as to strange in comparison.

Mel was a strange situation from Day 1 and Irvine a ridiculous appointment. The point is though apart from Mel and his record in Spain and the Irvine episode all of those managers achieved good things here. They all will list their achievements at Albion either top or very near the top of there managerial careers and none of them have gone on to enjoy success elsewhere since leaving us and in most cases have fallen off the radar (RDM CL win aside).

I'm sure we are not a perfect club to manage, but I'm also sure that the perfect club doesn't exist. The common theme seems to be that the more recent appointments are the worse ones which coincides with the takeover gathering momentum. I think Pulis was bought in to do a job and did it and it was anticipated he would be long gone by now. The takeover dragged on and as a result he is still here which means we now have a structure and environment that was never meant for him.

The point was each manager talked about how difficult it was to manage West Brom. We knew how to get out of the championship but which appointments other than Roy (who was going to leave anyway England or otherwise) have been successful in the premier league (Clarke for half a year).
Other than Hodgson when did we get a managerial appointment that you thought "now he's quality". We went for no.2s because of this "continental model" and then admitted failure by appointing Pulis. Or we went for people out of work. Most managers would say they weren't backed with the resources they needed. Which was the last transfer window we all sat round and said "that was good for us".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 01:31:13 PM
I agree, all of our recent managers have had made very similar comments. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 09, 2016, 01:36:51 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 01:31:13 PM
I agree, all of our recent managers have had made very similar comments.
quotes please? I don't remember many if any.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 09, 2016, 01:40:37 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 09, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
The point was each manager talked about how difficult it was to manage West Brom. We knew how to get out of the championship but which appointments other than Roy (who was going to leave anyway England or otherwise) have been successful in the premier league (Clarke for half a year).
Other than Hodgson when did we get a managerial appointment that you thought "now he's quality". We went for no.2s because of this "continental model" and then admitted failure by appointing Pulis. Or we went for people out of work. Most managers would say they weren't backed with the resources they needed. Which was the last transfer window we all sat round and said "that was good for us".

So by your logic Mel, Irvine, Di Matteo, Clarke were all sub standard appointments. But yet all either kept us up or outside of the bottom 3. Surely that suggests that in fact the structure around them supported rather than hindered them. Especially as I said none of them have achieved more elsewhere either before or after managing us.

Yes they have all wanted more money. Just like pretty much every other manage at every other club in he world. Up until this window we have spent the money we have. You can ague it if you want or question what it was spent on but unless anybody is accusing people of fiddling the accounts the incoming and outgoings are available for all to us. Now we don't know for sure there was money left in the kitty this time around but it seems fairly safe theres at least £15m unspent somewhere. Why that wasn't spent is a bone of contention as results in the spat we see now between Williams and Pulis. I'd hazard a guess again that it's because Pulis and 'the others' (Hammond etc) both approached the window with completely different idea's and targets. Both were likely following the individual remits they had been given from above but it just didn't work because they were coming at it from a completely different angle. In other circumstances it wouldn't have been allowed to happen but with the takeover was there actually anyone truly in charge of this window?

I think the Albion job is quite an easy job for the right candidate. Pulis isn't that man, and so everything else falls down (not just Pulis fault)

What you're saying is we appoint managers who are not good enough & don't spend enough money to attract the right players. If that's true then how come we have been, by our own measures, extremely successful over the last decade. You can fluke a season or 2 but you don't fluke a decades worth. If Peace isn't up to it, and the board are not up to it, the transfers are not good enough & the managers are not good enough you don't spend this long in the top flight with clubs throwing millions and millions doing everything they can to take our place.

Of course it's not working exactly how it should be now but still working enough to keep us in the PL (personally I'm not of the opinion this is the be all and end all but some on here are of the view it is and it's a view the board share). A manager who buys in the structure that's in place and 1 or 2 decent signings and we're really not a million miles away from a place that most fans would be happy to see us in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 01:41:12 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 09, 2016, 01:36:51 PM
quotes please? I don't remember many if any.

I can't recall any specfic quotes, but i can recall manager/coach disappointment.

Regardless, who employed these manager/coaches that failed?

They didn't employ themselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 01:03:41 PM
Sorry John, but I have never heard so much bias rubbish in my entire life.

Vision?

Talk me through his decision to reduce the capacity of the Hawthorns?

It's the way I see it Jim, you see it differently, no problem for me.

Although I sometimes find your posts frustrating, I can't remember describing any as "biased rubbish", & I've always tried to be polite, as I have with all members of this forum, I would ask you to reciprocate please.

As far as reducing the capacity at the Hawthorns is concerned, I believe this forum has had numerous pages & comments about the fact that attendances are falling & have been doing for a number of seasons. As far as I can remember the Hawthorns capacity was reduced from circa 28,000 to circa 26,000 when the West Stand was refurbished some 5 years ago.
I have yet to see a credible case to expand the capacity, given the attendances have been falling over a number of seasons.
What the club needs to do, in my opinion, is a) develop a product that people are willing to turn out for on a cold winters day b) engage a larger proportion of the community to attend matches, if they can do that, a stadium expansion could well be on the cards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 09, 2016, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 01:31:13 PM
I agree, all of our recent managers have had made very similar comments.

And Hodgson (and RDM'S CL which comes with a * next to it) aside none of them have achieved anything close to what they did with us before joining us or since leaving. So perhaps the structure they had issues with at the time were actually making them appear to be much better managers than they actually were?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 01:43:26 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 09, 2016, 12:38:17 PM
The chairman released a statement after a transfer window. Why? To distance the board from what went on. Why release a statement at all? Especially one that brings in to question the current manager.
They obviously felt that they needed to say something given the immense amount of flak they were getting. You wrote: "everyone knows he (Pulis) got stitched up", but that would only be the case if Williams' statement was factually untrue, and there's still no evidence as yet to indicate that any of it was.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 09, 2016, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 01:41:12 PM
I can't recall any specfic quotes, but i can recall manager/coach disappointment.

Regardless, who employed these manager/coaches that failed?

They didn't employ themselves.

Which of the managers failed in your eyes? The only debatable failure was Irvine. Even then he kept us out of the bottom 3 which is seen a minor miracle in some peoples eyes when achieved by Pulis, despite him having far far greater resources.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 01:50:33 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 01:20:22 PM
In that case it's still a poor statement from Williams unless all Pulis does is state the number of players he wants?  If Pulis asked for 5 good quality players and gets give 5 poor players, then the board is culpable.  You can't just hide behind "he asked for 5, he got 5" surely?
The claim being made against Williams is that he said he got the targets that Pulis wanted. All I'm doing is pointing out that Williams didn't say that. I've already expressed my views on the pathetic transfer window, so I'm not trying to condone anyone over what happened during it, but it's not true to claim that Williams said he got 5 "marquee" targets, because he hasn't said that he did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kendo on September 09, 2016, 01:51:25 PM
Can anybody explain why we did not sign Sako because of injury problem, but we sign Kanu, who Pulis said he needs 10 days to get fit. Its a joke. I thought he also said at some stage we only want players who can hit the ground running in the first team. Does any body think we never got the big name midfielder because TP would not know what to do with Fletcher.?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 09, 2016, 01:36:51 PM
quotes please? I don't remember many if any.
You don't remember the Hodgson "we can't keep pulling rabbits out of hats" comment?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 01:41:12 PM
I can't recall any specfic quotes, but i can recall manager/coach disappointment.

Regardless, who employed these manager/coaches that failed?

They didn't employ themselves.

Jim,

Have you ever employed anybody & it didn't work out? I have loads of times.
By & large beggars can't be choosers & you have to take the best of what comes through the door. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it works too well & they bugger off to pastures new.
Most of us "suits" do know what we're doing, even if it don't appear so sometimes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 09, 2016, 01:59:07 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 01:55:23 PM
Jim,

Have you ever employed anybody & it didn't work out? I have loads of times.
By & large beggars can't be choosers & you have to take the best of what comes through the door. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it works too well & they bugger off to pastures new.
Most of us "suits" do know what we're doing, even if it don't appear so sometimes.

Issue is we've consistently failed since Ashworth left. There is absolutely no way Garlick should still be there, not in a football capacity at any rate. In your words, 'it didn't work out' and yet he's still here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on September 09, 2016, 02:10:06 PM
I think that Pulis's position is becoming untenable. I think he will be gone after this weekend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 09, 2016, 01:45:39 PM
Which of the managers failed in your eyes? The only debatable failure was Irvine. Even then he kept us out of the bottom 3 which is seen a minor miracle in some peoples eyes when achieved by Pulis, despite him having far far greater resources.

I'm not so sure any did massively fail as such, in particlar I would have liked Mel to have a bash, but the players seemed to run the rule over that.

My point is, somebody employs people, somebody is consistently deciding, rightly or wrongly to change those people.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 02:17:33 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 01:42:29 PM
It's the way I see it Jim, you see it differently, no problem for me.

Although I sometimes find your posts frustrating, I can't remember describing any as "biased rubbish", & I've always tried to be polite, as I have with all members of this forum, I would ask you to reciprocate please.

As far as reducing the capacity at the Hawthorns is concerned, I believe this forum has had numerous pages & comments about the fact that attendances are falling & have been doing for a number of seasons. As far as I can remember the Hawthorns capacity was reduced from circa 28,000 to circa 26,000 when the West Stand was refurbished some 5 years ago.
I have yet to see a credible case to expand the capacity, given the attendances have been falling over a number of seasons.
What the club needs to do, in my opinion, is a) develop a product that people are willing to turn out for on a cold winters day b) engage a larger proportion of the community to attend matches, if they can do that, a stadium expansion could well be on the cards.

Maybe because you find my posts frustrating and not bias rubbish?

Your clearly a very intelligent person with a wealth of experience, but everything you write lays the blame fairly and squarely at the doorstep of Pulis. No if's, no buts.

Players may not sign because of Pulis, who employed him? Was you concerned when it was good for you?

The fact Pulis hasn't been sacked ain't Pulis' fault is it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 02:17:33 PM
Your clearly a very intelligent person with a wealth of experience, but everything you write lays the blame fairly and squarely at the doorstep of Pulis. No if's, no buts.
To be fair to John, he was actually a Pulis supporter of Jacko-esque proportions until very recently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 02:23:14 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 02:19:45 PM
To be fair to John, he was actually a Pulis supporter of Jacko-esque proportions until very recently.

No I wasn't mate, never wanted him in the first place, but I can see what he is doing and why he is doing it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 02:26:57 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on February 08, 2016, 03:10:29 PM
Agree, whilst you can point out quite correctly he has never been relegated, you could also point out he has never had a top 10 finish.

He is what he is, I personally think at this current moment in time, the chairman is happy with that situation, and ultimately Mr Peace will decide what direction our club will go, but if was JP, I would be very reluctant to give significant money to buy a thoroughbred player, to pull a cart with very wobbly wheels.

Feb 2016, which is pretty much the status quo in Aug/Sept 2016.

If an idiot like me could see it then, how come the people that count can't see it now?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Andio on September 09, 2016, 02:37:05 PM
Seems to me like TP is trying to get himself the sack?

 He can't walk as he owes too much money already.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 02:44:18 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 02:23:14 PM
No I wasn't mate, never wanted him in the first place, but I can see what he is doing and why he is doing it.
Have another read of what I wrote, I wasn't talking about you!  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 02:45:15 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 02:44:18 PM
Have another read of what I wrote, I wasn't talking about you!  :)

Sorry bruv, Sorry John.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 09, 2016, 02:51:04 PM
Quote from: Andio on September 09, 2016, 02:37:05 PM
Seems to me like TP is trying to get himself the sack?

 He can't walk as he owes too much money already.
he can't walk and the club don't want to sack him and pay him off.. It's a stalemate until one of them blinks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 02:58:10 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 09, 2016, 02:51:04 PM
he can't walk and the club don't want to sack him and pay him off.. It's a stalemate until one of them blinks.

So we have a game of Russian roulette on our hands; how is that in anyway beneficial to anybody, apart from the blokes involved?

If you wanna play silly f#@kers how about doing it where 30,000 people don't give a pooh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 09, 2016, 03:13:47 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 12:55:33 PM
Don't agree, there's always been vision & leadership, ever since JP took responsibility, vision & leadership have been his two outstanding qualities, but..................He's been learning on the job, as will Mr Lai. The big problem for us has always been cash. We've never had the cash to be able to afford a decent continental style head coach, they've either been trainees or second rate like Pepe Mel.

Appointing Pulis must have been a really difficult decision for JP, it's almost an admission of failure of his vision for the development of the club, & yet WBAFC must remain a PL club in order to attract the right buyer. I suspect that JP must have been in meaningful dialogue with Mr Lai way back in April when we appointed Nick Hammond, & Mr Lai's wealth would allow us to return to the continental style that was JP's original vision.

An interesting comment for me came from last night's assembly notes. When describing some of the problems we had in getting players, the two execs said that some players just didn't want to come. I've never believed that players wouldn't want to come to a football club just because of a manager, now I'm not so sure.
Pulis may have specifically identified the players he wanted, but for whatever reason we didn't get them. could have been money, could have been loads of things, but as others have said, could have been, they just didn't want to play for our manager.

I was talking leadership and vision specifically around recruitment of players and managers John.

We recruited players and managers brilliantly until about when Ashworth left. Since then we've had Clarke and his arguably premature demise and lack of transfer support , Mel (enough said), Irvine (enough said) and now Pulis who for me, was the last manager we would normally have looked at had we not made a few poor decisions before him meaning we needed his particular no frills , results at any cost approach - at least Peace dos to ensure the sale was for the biggest bucks.

On the playing side we've had a couple of years now of really poor, last minute panic buying which are best illustrated by looking at the names we've seen come and go like Samaras, Lambert, Big Vic etc etc etc ( too many to mention !). 

In my mind we've been a bit of a shambles on the recruitment side for a while John. Too many short term decisions being made.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 03:16:13 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 09, 2016, 01:45:39 PM
Which of the managers failed in your eyes? The only debatable failure was Irvine. Even then he kept us out of the bottom 3 which is seen a minor miracle in some peoples eyes when achieved by Pulis, despite him having far far greater resources.

Why do you keep saying "kept us out of the bottom 3" like it's some kind of achievement?  If that's a good point in the column you should be loving having Pulis in charge!

The only reason Irvine didn't take us down was because Peace acted quickly (and fair play to him for that).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mcmistry on September 09, 2016, 03:18:20 PM
I don't TP has had his contract extended, so surely it wouldn't be a big pay off.
If I'm right it expires at the end of this season...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 03:38:05 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 09, 2016, 01:36:51 PM
quotes please? I don't remember many if any.

I'll see what I can do but my post came from reading various comments throughout the years like press conferences and things rather than articles I can easily dig out.

I take it I don't need to provide anything by Megson thoug. :)

Here's one article that notes how Di Matteo wasn't happy.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2011/02/07/why-was-roberto-di-matteo-sacked/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2011/02/07/why-was-roberto-di-matteo-sacked/)

Quote
He spilled the beans on what he claimed was Roberto Di Matteo's dissatisfaction with Albion over his own contract, transfer policy and his overall opinion of the powers-that-be.
And incidentally also talks about us missing out on players the manager wanted.

From Mowbray when we went down, also talking about the "tight, tight financial ship" and how we could only afford youth or inexperienced players.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2009/may/19/west-bromwich-albion-relegation (https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2009/may/19/west-bromwich-albion-relegation)

Clarke complained of his frustration of our transfer policy and I do remember when Peace had to hit back with a statement.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25388312 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25388312)

There's been loads of little comments here and there over the years about the difficulty of managing at Albion.  I don't think the set up we aim for is a bad thing and managers need to know what they're getting involved with.  We do have to appreciate that maybe sometimes we don't make things as comfortable as they can be for a manager though (rightly or wrongly).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 03:38:57 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 03:16:13 PM
Why do you keep saying "kept us out of the bottom 3" like it's some kind of achievement?  If that's a good point in the column you should be loving having Pulis in charge!

The only reason Irvine didn't take us down was because Peace acted quickly (and fair play to him for that).


100% agree, WBA is in terms of league finishes is only 1 team of 11 that finish in the top 20 over the period of their history. (1st in 2nd division = 21st).

We ain't little West Brom, no matter what idiot tried to tell you otherwise.

We ain't massive West Brom either, but, someone ain't done too badly out of it,, for a mid table championship club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 09, 2016, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 03:16:13 PM
Why do you keep saying "kept us out of the bottom 3" like it's some kind of achievement?  If that's a good point in the column you should be loving having Pulis in charge!

The only reason Irvine didn't take us down was because Peace acted quickly (and fair play to him for that).
I think that's what they are trying to say, it isn't a plus point because it's expected. Yet some say the reason Pulis should stay is because he doesn't get relegated. Yet very few of our other managers were actually that close.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 09, 2016, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 03:16:13 PM
Why do you keep saying "kept us out of the bottom 3" like it's some kind of achievement?  If that's a good point in the column you should be loving having Pulis in charge!

The only reason Irvine didn't take us down was because Peace acted quickly (and fair play to him for that).

Try reading the whole thread next time, you would have read this.

'Of course it's not working exactly how it should be now but still working enough to keep us in the PL (personally I'm not of the opinion this is the be all and end all but some on here are of the view it is and it's a view the board share).


I think the fact so many fans seem to accept 17th as acceptable under any means necessary is a small part of whats holding us back and a larger part of what allows people like Pulis to keep finding employment at clubs such as ourselves.

However, Pulis has been bought in by his employers with the sole intention of keeping us in this league. It's an objective he has achieved up until this point, and from the point of view of the board, and many others on this board it is an achievement. Whilst it's not one I personally agree with it doesn't mean I can't recognise that to some it will be.




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 04:28:32 PM
Would you find it impressive if I told you out of the £350 I receive from the Government each week to survive in terms of heat, light, shelter and food I manage to save £15 each week?

I don't think that makes me the next candidate for the governor of the bank of England, more points to the fact I'm not a moron.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 09, 2016, 05:03:38 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 09, 2016, 04:09:04 PM
I think that's what they are trying to say, it isn't a plus point because it's expected. Yet some say the reason Pulis should stay is because he doesn't get relegated. Yet very few of our other managers were actually that close.

Yeah, sorry, I used "you" wrongly there.  I didn't mean to target the poster, it's just that I've seen it used when defending Irvine in that he didn't have us in the bottom 3 so therefore wasn't doing that bad a job.

I love being in the Prem, I'd love to see us play flowing attractive football and us stay in the Prem but I don't think we've got...

* a manager who will sacrifice defensive stability for it.
* a current crop of players good enough to do that.
* a board who will buy players capable of it.

I suppose how happy you are with the league depends on how many games you get to.  I'm up in Manchester with kids so don't get chance to get down to as many game as I'd like so seeing the media coverage (however annoying) the Prem gets is great.  If I was attending every game I might feel different.

I still hold hope that we can grow as a club though, to do that we really need a board willing to bring in the players and we've not been doing that since Ashworth - regardless of manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 09, 2016, 05:16:44 PM
Nothing like slating all the players who have come in!
The guy is an idiot at times.
If he thinks Alan Irvine played good football no wonder we have to watch that rubbish weekly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 05:18:19 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 09, 2016, 01:59:07 PM
Issue is we've consistently failed since Ashworth left. There is absolutely no way Garlick should still be there, not in a football capacity at any rate. In your words, 'it didn't work out' and yet he's still here.

I'm not sure Richard Garlick is there in a football capacity as such, his title is "director of football administration". He just controls the budgets. Financial Director or CFO in modern parlance.

Dan Ashworth was appointed FA Director of Elite Development in September 2012, since then we've retained our position as a Premier League Team, so we haven't "consistently failed". The 12 teams who got relegated in that period, could be said to have failed. Did we make the progress we hoped we would make? No. Will we make progress with a head coach who has an inward facing philosophy? probably not. Will we make progress with a technical director/head coach partnership & an outward facing philosophy? - There's a chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 05:27:54 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 05:18:19 PM
I'm not sure Richard Garlick is there in a football capacity as such, his title is "director of football administration". He just controls the budgets. Financial Director or CFO in modern parlance.

Dan Ashworth was appointed FA Director of Elite Development in September 2012, since then we've retained our position as a Premier League Team, so we haven't "consistently failed". The 12 teams who got relegated in that period, could be said to have failed. Did we make the progress we hoped we would make? No. Will we make progress with a head coach who has an inward facing philosophy? probably not. Will we make progress with a technical director/head coach partnership & an outward facing philosophy? - There's a chance.

Again John,

What did anything you said there actually mean?

Garlick is now the "director of football administration"

Any clues as to what that is?

As for the technical director/head coach set up, that has been in place for years, tell me the last time it wasn't John.

What does outward facing mean?


Does the Albion board wanna outwardly face or inwardly face wanting to spend money?

NO or it could be YES.

Will they blame whoever they can (outwardly, or inwardly) for them screwing up?

YES or maybe no.

When JP got his hands on the Albion, would YOU say your enjoyment in respect of a joe bloggs fan would be better in terms of fun, then or now?

Would you say non tv money should be significantly higher now, as opposed to then?

Flex down, flex up, has done nothing.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 05:33:38 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 09, 2016, 03:13:47 PM
I was talking leadership and vision specifically around recruitment of players and managers John.

We recruited players and managers brilliantly until about when Ashworth left. Since then we've had Clarke and his arguably premature demise and lack of transfer support , Mel (enough said), Irvine (enough said) and now Pulis who for me, was the last manager we would normally have looked at had we not made a few poor decisions before him meaning we needed his particular no frills , results at any cost approach - at least Peace dos to ensure the sale was for the biggest bucks.

On the playing side we've had a couple of years now of really poor, last minute panic buying which are best illustrated by looking at the names we've seen come and go like Samaras, Lambert, Big Vic etc etc etc ( too many to mention !). 

In my mind we've been a bit of a shambles on the recruitment side for a while John. Too many short term decisions being made.

Dan Ashworth was a difficult act to follow, you don't get the Job Dan got without being something of a bright spark. To some extent also, Dan grew & developed the role of DoF, he's an ideas man, there's not too many around. The decision to put Richard Garlick in the role didn't work out, I think Richard understood the mechanisms that Dan Had left behind, but sometimes these big jobs are as much about feel as mechanisms, & RG just didn't have the feel. He's ideally qualified IMO for the job he's doing now.
The big disaster for me, was the Terry Burton/Alan Irvine axis, I soon as I heard Terry Burton speak, I just knew it was going to fail. At that level, you have to have some eloquence, Terry, God bless him, had none, great coach, DoF?, never in a million years.
Which bring us up to the TP era, a club up to it's a*se in alligators needs a firefighter, & to be fair to him, he's done a brilliant job. To stay in post, he needs to adapt, whether he can or not remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on September 09, 2016, 05:40:06 PM
What is the Tony Mowbray quote that came out? It was mentioned in the clip of the presser on the official site but they didn't quote the quote!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 05:50:14 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 05:27:54 PM
Again John,

What did anything you said there actually mean?

Garlick is now the "director of football administration"

Any clues as to what that is?



As for the technical director/head coach set up, that has been in place for years, tell me the last time it wasn't John.

What does outward facing mean?


"director of football administration" - It's a posh title for financial director - he is responsible for looking after the money

I thought we ditched the technical director role after Terry Burton left & the reinstated it with the appointment of Nick Hammond in April this year.

Outward facing means looking outward - considering all options - not restricting yourself to a limited few - building bridges, not walls
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on September 09, 2016, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: lewisant on September 09, 2016, 05:40:06 PM
What is the Tony Mowbray quote that came out? It was mentioned in the clip of the presser on the official site but they didn't quote the quote!
.   He just mentioned that he's the longest serving manager behind Tony Mowbray and if we beat Bournemouth tomorrow it will be our best start in the Premiership  Still sounded like a dead man walking to me
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 09, 2016, 05:54:07 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on September 09, 2016, 09:25:15 AM
TP: "The five players that John says I was happy with weren't the marquee players I wanted to bring in."

TP: "To try and say those were the five that I wanted was wrong. I've spoken to John about it."

Way to motivate the new recruits, Tone. Christ.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 05:57:18 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 05:50:14 PM

"director of football administration" - It's a posh title for financial director - he is responsible for looking after the money

I thought we ditched the technical director role after Terry Burton left & the reinstated it with the appointment of Nick Hammond in April this year.

Outward facing means looking outward - considering all options - not restricting yourself to a limited few - building bridges, not walls

So we have a director of football, a technical director, a manager, all of which will have to go through the Chairman, ultimately through the owners, let alone the consultant to see if they can change from tetley tea bags to pg tips?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on September 09, 2016, 05:57:54 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 09, 2016, 05:54:07 PM
Way to motivate the new recruits, Tone. Christ.
.   Fought his corner, had enough after these comments in his press conference . Just two words . Get Rid!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on September 09, 2016, 06:14:51 PM
I bet his book will be a good read for us!

Do the club have any power to stop him mentioning certain things? Interesting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 09, 2016, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: Andio on September 09, 2016, 02:37:05 PM
Seems to me like TP is trying to get himself the sack?

 He can't walk as he owes too much money already.
He is going to get the sack, the guy is fighting his corner as I would expect him to. He is thick-skinned but can only put up with being let down in transfer windows so many times, particularly when some supporters are giving him dogs abuse. He is not going to walk, he will make the club pay, and I don't blame him.
I was told by someone within the club weeks ago that the new owners had been advised to get rid of him. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 09, 2016, 06:21:25 PM
One thing about Pulis is that he's essentially a firefighter the 2 clubs he's gone into ourselves and palace needed him to sort out the mess. How Pulis would react if it was a team he had coached for a period in time got into trouble which is very likely this season would be interesting. For this reason it is unfair to suggest there isn't anyone else out there that could keep this set of players up . We simply don't know ..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 09, 2016, 06:26:02 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on September 09, 2016, 05:57:54 PM
.   Fought his corner, had enough after these comments in his press conference . Just two words . Get Rid!
So if you were Pulis and you were being accused of wanting and buying players of the quality of Robson Kanu what would you have said in the press conference.?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 09, 2016, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on September 09, 2016, 05:57:54 PM
.   Fought his corner, had enough after these comments in his press conference . Just two words . Get Rid!

Just sent Lloydy a PM Giving my theory on this it's outlandish and I'm scared people will laugh. I'll give it anyway. Firstly I agree he should go ultimately he had final say on players. Secondly my theory is he's baiting our board into sacking him that he protects the never been relegated rep that keeps him from going the way of football dinosaurs. He won't walk because he would forfeit money and has the Palace settlement. As a manager Pulis has spent more than anybody else and managed a return of 15th. He froze out Chester and McManaman two players he paid £13m for a club of our size can't be able to afford doiing that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 09, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 09, 2016, 05:54:07 PM
Way to motivate the new recruits, Tone. Christ.
Agree but at the same time if Pulis doesn't speak out everyone assumes he did want them.
They all at fault mate , all of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 06:30:19 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 05:50:14 PM

"director of football administration" - It's a posh title for financial director - he is responsible for looking after the money

I thought we ditched the technical director role after Terry Burton left & the reinstated it with the appointment of Nick Hammond in April this year.

Outward facing means looking outward - considering all options - not restricting yourself to a limited few - building bridges, not walls

Well then in my opinion there has been hundreds more walls built under Peace than Bridges.

Please give examples if you can, where the Chairman has excelled himself.

Then give me the right to reply.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 09, 2016, 06:31:50 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on September 09, 2016, 06:16:12 PM
He is going to get the sack, the guy is fighting his corner as I would expect him to. He is thick-skinned but can only put up with being let down in transfer windows so many times, particularly when some supporters are giving him dogs abuse. He is not going to walk, he will make the club pay, and I don't blame him.
I was told by someone within the club weeks ago that the new owners had been advised to get rid of him.
Whats Pepe Mel doing these days? He had the sack from Real Betis yet again! Doing OK though under Poyet 3rd from bottom! Sometimes a manager can do a hard job and others line up like coconuts at a stall.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 09, 2016, 06:32:26 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 09, 2016, 06:26:41 PM
Just sent Lloydy a PM Giving my theory on this it's outlandish and I'm scared people will laugh. I'll give it anyway. Firstly I agree he should go ultimately he had final say on players. Secondly my theory is he's baiting our board into sacking him that he protects the never been relegated rep that keeps him from going the way of football dinosaurs. He won't walk because he would forfeit money and has the Palace settlement. As a manager Pulis has spent more than anybody else and managed a return of 15th. He froze out Chester and McManaman two players he paid £13m for a club of our size can't be able to afford doiing that
Pulis said in the press conference just the same as managers have said back to Megson that the club is a very dififcult one to manage at. Pulis had the final say maybe, but on a list of poor quality players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 09, 2016, 06:36:19 PM
I wish they would all just shut up and do the job they are paid greatly to do. its turning into a tit for tat childish squabble, whoever at this moment is the head honcho should sit around a table with all concerned and start running the club in a professional manner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 09, 2016, 06:37:16 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on September 09, 2016, 05:57:54 PM
.   Fought his corner, had enough after these comments in his press conference . Just two words . Get Rid!They won't sack him because it would cost too much money just like signing decent players does.
They won't sack him because it would cost too much money just like signing decent players does.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 09, 2016, 06:40:55 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 09, 2016, 06:36:19 PM
I wish they would all just shut up and do the job they are paid greatly to do. its turning into a tit for tat childish squabble, whoever at this moment is the head honcho should sit around a table with all concerned and start running the club in a professional manner.
The only thing that Pulis   can be blamed for is playing unattractive football. The board can be blamed for not spending money and buying quality players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 09, 2016, 06:43:40 PM
Quote from: Dexy on September 09, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Agree but at the same time if Pulis doesn't speak out everyone assumes he did want them.
They all at fault mate , all of them.

Agreed.
Blame rests on all sides BUT the new owners need to sweep in and sort this out asap and get Peace and Jenkins out first thing as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 09, 2016, 06:45:14 PM
If its all Pulis's fault lets wait and see who's appointed as our next manager Mancini, Hiddink or Irvine or Paul Lambert. Then we will see the real issues of why we have the squad we have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 09, 2016, 06:48:36 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 09, 2016, 05:54:07 PM
Way to motivate the new recruits, Tone. Christ.

I mean people always ask for honesty from their coach  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 09, 2016, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: bry on September 09, 2016, 06:32:26 PM
Pulis said in the press conference just the same as managers have said back to Megson that the club is a very dififcult one to manage at. Pulis had the final say maybe, but on a list of poor quality players.
There was not one player on that list that in all honesty could be called poor the Camacho deal was reportedly 95% done we'd arranged terms if you believe the press. He nixed it for carvelho they said no time ran out. For all his talk of The window should be closed before The season starts he like doing late deals Stokelad said this. Well it blew up in his face this time.  last season how much did Mcmanaman Chester and Lambert cost us not to play? I think i'll agree to disagree with you mate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 09, 2016, 07:05:14 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 09, 2016, 06:59:15 PM
There was not one player on that list that in all honesty could be called poor the Camacho deal was reportedly 95% done we'd arranged terms if you believe the press. He nixed it for carvelho they said no time ran out. For all his talk of The window should be closed before The season starts he like doing late deals Stokelad said this. Well it blew up in his face this time. I the last how much did Mcmanaman Chester and Lambert cost us not to play? I think i'll agree to disagree with you mate
Were Mcmanaman Chester and Lambert his choices? if the squad we have is all down to Pulis I can't wait for the flood of quality players that have been held back because of him, when he's sacked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 07:07:45 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 09, 2016, 06:48:36 PM
I mean people always ask for honesty from their coach  ;)

I played Rugby for Leicester many years ago as a young 19 year old, the year I was going to break into the 1st team Joel Stransky turned up.

Imo, I was as good as him technically, but a million miles behind him physically, mentally and in every other area basically.

But my club told me there and then to get lost, no future Jimbo, so I did.

My point is, say how it is, not the bull that people want to hear.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 09, 2016, 07:09:47 PM
It would be interesting to find out which club is "easy to manage". ::)



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 09, 2016, 07:12:38 PM
Feel sorry for him in so far as its clear he is operating without any support from up top, but I would not have trusted him with a war chest to spend.

I am hopeful that the powers that be are merely waiting for next summer with a new manager in place to provide the necessary funds
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 09, 2016, 07:19:36 PM
 IMO He has been stiffed and shafted by the powers that be possibly hoping he would resign and save em a few bob I suspect he has seen through this decideto stay and now we all suffer, well done Peace, Williams et al
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 09, 2016, 07:22:12 PM
Only thing I worry about with Pulis getting sacked is the next appointment. No faith in the club to make right decision at all.

There are loads of bright, progressive coaches around Europe that I would love to see us go for. Be a proper progressive club.

Problem is we have turned into a blundering club and I think we would end up with a Clarke, Mel, Irvine appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on September 09, 2016, 07:30:06 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 09, 2016, 01:51:45 PM
You don't remember the Hodgson "we can't keep pulling rabbits out of hats" comment?

Megson, Robson and Mowbray cannot give you quotes as they all have gagging orders ... Wonder why?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bazabaggie73 on September 09, 2016, 07:31:54 PM
Love him or hate the one obvious stat is that we have won 1 game in the last 13, a lot of previous manager were sacked for a lot less bad run of results. is football in this day and age based on results??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 07:36:09 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 06:30:19 PM
Well then in my opinion there has been hundreds more walls built under Peace than Bridges.

Please give examples if you can, where the Chairman has excelled himself.

Then give me the right to reply.

I think the fact that under his stewardship, the club has gone from  being almost relegated to the third tied, to an established member of the first tier of English football is a good starting point.
Then the club provided the Director of Elite Development & the Head Coach for the England national team. One of our academy coaches is being pursued by one of the wealthiest football clubs in the world. Harry Redknap paid the club a compliment recently by saying that "everything to do with England seems to come out of West Brom these days".
The statement that came out from last night's assembly meeting "How many other clubs in England would bring two senior executives to a meeting with the fans just a few days after the transfer window had closed?"

I can't remember ever not giving you the right to reply, but if you want the final word on the subject, here's your chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albiondean on September 09, 2016, 07:40:11 PM
I'm looking forward to the game tomorrow, Tony Pulis asked for new players to come in, they came in, they might or not be that players he wanted, but he knew all about the Albion how they do their transfer deals before he joined the club.

Just looking at the table and were sitting nicely with the so called big boys Arsenal and Liverpool on the same points, who have spent loads more than us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on September 09, 2016, 07:41:48 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 07:36:09 PM
I think the fact that under his stewardship, the club has gone from  being almost relegated to the third tied, to an established member of the first tier of English football is a good starting point.
Then the club provided the Director of Elite Development & the Head Coach for the England national team. One of our academy coaches is being pursued by one of the wealthiest football clubs in the world. Harry Redknap paid the club a compliment recently by saying that "everything to do with England seems to come out of West Brom these days".
The statement that came out from last night's assembly meeting "How many other clubs in England would bring two senior executives to a meeting with the fans just a few days after the transfer window had closed?"

I can't remember ever not giving you the right to reply, but if you want the final word on the subject, here's your chance.

Eeerrrr JP took over after we had got onto the premier league, brought a training ground and built a new stand. Please do not try and rewrite history. Thompson and Megson saved this club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 09, 2016, 07:53:01 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 07:36:09 PM
I think the fact that under his stewardship, the club has gone from  being almost relegated to the third tied, to an established member of the first tier of English football is a good starting point.
Then the club provided the Director of Elite Development & the Head Coach for the England national team. One of our academy coaches is being pursued by one of the wealthiest football clubs in the world. Harry Redknap paid the club a compliment recently by saying that "everything to do with England seems to come out of West Brom these days".
The statement that came out from last night's assembly meeting "How many other clubs in England would bring two senior executives to a meeting with the fans just a few days after the transfer window had closed?"

I can't remember ever not giving you the right to reply, but if you want the final word on the subject, here's your chance.
Just wrong Thomson and Sir Gary pulled us out of the abyss. Since Hodgson and Ashworth went to ST. Georges have Englands fortunes or their quality improved ?? chuck in the appointments of Irvine and Mel and i would say that adds up to  nothing to win Chairman of the year, add to that his  total intransigence in transfer policy despite the increased funds available and i would say he is heading toward a mega fail so to keep him on as a consultant makes no sense !!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 07:36:09 PM
I think the fact that under his stewardship, the club has gone from  being almost relegated to the third tied, to an established member of the first tier of English football is a good starting point.
Then the club provided the Director of Elite Development & the Head Coach for the England national team. One of our academy coaches is being pursued by one of the wealthiest football clubs in the world. Harry Redknap paid the club a compliment recently by saying that "everything to do with England seems to come out of West Brom these days".
The statement that came out from last night's assembly meeting "How many other clubs in England would bring two senior executives to a meeting with the fans just a few days after the transfer window had closed?"

I can't remember ever not giving you the right to reply, but if you want the final word on the subject, here's your chance.

Apart from that is nonsense of the highest order, I won't reply.

Just two days ago you was mentioning 'arry in other terms.

You see success as other clubs steal our talent?

Not even going to bother about league positions John.

You basically slide from point to point like your smothered in ky, everytime your asked a direct question you square bat it back to the bowler.

You think this administration is good? 2 examples why
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 09, 2016, 08:28:30 PM
Quote from: Bazabaggie73 on September 09, 2016, 07:31:54 PM
Love him or hate the one obvious stat is that we have won 1 game in the last 13, a lot of previous manager were sacked for a lot less bad run of results. is football in this day and age based on results??

stats can be misleading. 10 of those games were at the end of last season when we were safe. If Pulis went 1 in 13 last season he would probably have gone. This season it's 4 points from 3 games...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 08:34:04 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 07:59:31 PM
Apart from that is nonsense of the highest order, I won't reply.

Just two days ago you was mentioning 'arry in other terms.

You see success as other clubs steal our talent?

Not even going to bother about league positions John.

You basically slide from point to point like your smothered in ky, everytime your asked a direct question you square bat it back to the bowler.

You think this administration is good? 2 examples why

I've given you examples, but you've chosen to ignore them, so we'll leave it at that. As I have said before, you & I speak a different language, there's really no point in continuing with this discussion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 09, 2016, 09:03:11 PM
I don't blame Pulis at all for his comments today. It's pretty obvious that he's happy with Chadli ('top top player') so he doesn't have to name him.
The chairman's comments in a prepared statement sound worse the more you look at them. 'He wanted 5 and we signed 5' is a bit insulting to the intelligence of supporters and is playing on Pulis' lack of popularity with a large section of fans. I think Williams needs to give a bit more thought to what he says in future.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 09, 2016, 09:08:49 PM
It's all getting very political now and to be fair to Pulis he plays the game well.  Today he was shifting and proportioning blame away from himself but in the next breath heaping praise and being complimentary towards the chairman.  A typical Machiavellian ploy by TP, making sure he isn't perceived as a trouble maker but also making sure he doesn't look like the one at fault.  All for the benefit of his future employment (elsewhere) in my opinion.

All this probably isn't a good thing but personally I feel relief, this is all the beginning of the end for Pulis and I can't wait to see the back of him.

Oh and I do wish he'd stop referring to his boss as 'the Chinese' - your'e an embarrassment Pulis, have a bit of respect for the owners of the organisation you work for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cheesyknackers on September 09, 2016, 09:10:25 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 09, 2016, 08:34:04 PM
I've given you examples, but you've chosen to ignore them, so we'll leave it at that. As I have said before, you & I speak a different language, there's really no point in continuing with this discussion.



 I cant quite fathom out what point Jim is trying to make... i have read this thread a couple of times, and at times think ..what ??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 09, 2016, 09:15:27 PM
Quote from: bry on September 09, 2016, 07:05:14 PM
Were Mcmanaman Chester and Lambert his choices? if the squad we have is all down to Pulis I can't wait for the flood of quality players that have been held back because of him, when he's sacked.

All came in before Hammond fn fact Mcmanaman was his first signing. Last year he had Carte Blanc 5th highest spenders and we finished 15th Pulis has never been relgated, but, I believe I maybe wrong but the highest finish he's ever had is 11th look I think he should have gone at the end of the season As for quality who knows It's too early for LaI to be judged I know John Williams is held in High esteem at Blackburn and a team he was Chairman of won the premier league. If I knew the future i'd be set up for life. I don't so I'm not I've watched Pulis as I've wacthed Megson. The difference is Megson did it out of necessity Pulis had a choice and three windows to improve the squad unchecked Just his mates Gerry Francis and "Kempy" he's played  football that makes my eyes bleed. Were you pleased when on Astle Day they went down like a cheap prosser? That was when leicester were pooh. The worst thing is I have apatthy about going to games now That isn't williams or lai fault that's Pulis. People have Forgotton That Peace posted a statement last year saying basically I backed you keep us up but Berahino overshadowed it. It his time to go. If Hammond was looking at slimani and camacho why would the coaches be different Pulis today sounded like the pulis who walked from palace and they've done ok without him. You and I aren't going to see eye to eye but I respect you as a fellow supporter bry atb LB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 09, 2016, 09:23:21 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on September 09, 2016, 09:08:49 PM
It's all getting very political now and to be fair to Pulis he plays the game well.  Today he was shifting and proportioning blame away from himself but in the next breath heaping praise and being complimentary towards the chairman.  A typical Machiavellian ploy by TP, making sure he isn't perceived as a trouble maker but also making sure he doesn't look like the one at fault.  All for the benefit of his future employment (elsewhere) in my opinion.

All this probably isn't a good thing but personally I feel relief, this is all the beginning of the end for Pulis and I can't wait to see the back of him.

Oh and I do wish he'd stop referring to his boss as 'the Chinese' - your'e an embarrassment Pulis, have a bit of respect for the owners of the organisation you work for.

Missed that he'd said that only saw the mail and E&S stories isn't that sackable to show comtempt for yoour employer? anyway night all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 09, 2016, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: cheesyknackers on September 09, 2016, 09:10:25 PM


 I cant quite fathom out what point Jim is trying to make... i have read this thread a couple of times, and at times think ..what ??

I'm not really making a point as such;

Is Tony Pulis a rubbish manager?     No

Is Tony Pulis a boring manager?     Yes

Do I want Pulis to be in charge of the Albion?    No

Do I think JP has ever been a good chairman?  No

Do I think the people he has employed are savvy? No

Am I dissapointed he will be here till the end of the season? Yes

Hope that clears it up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 09, 2016, 09:47:34 PM
Lots of criticism here around Pulis and Peace, both will probably not be here by the end of the season at this rate so it's somewhat irrelevant.

What I would say is that Pulis's presser seemed to be prepping himself for life after Albion, it would be very interesting to see what happens if we lose tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on September 09, 2016, 10:18:46 PM
Quote from: bry on September 09, 2016, 06:26:02 PM
So if you were Pulis and you were being accused of wanting and buying players of the quality of Robson Kanu what would you have said in the press conference.?
.  Time and place  used press conference to get his point across .Lets see if  he  plays them now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 09, 2016, 11:57:18 PM
The club might regret not getting rid of TP in the summer if this continues to simmer and get worse.

Does anyone know how many of our ex-managers/coaches have had gagging orders placed on them since JP took over? I'm sure TP will be the next.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2016, 01:11:12 AM
Don't have any problem with today's (yesterday's) presser.

Pulis had to respond to the appalling Chairman's Statement.

For me it's business as usual, and he'll see out his contract at the very least.

There was no inkling he didn't want the players we got, but also that we didn't get some of his bigger targets.

I'm also pleased to hear he won't accept any type of gagging order after he leaves the football club.

Hopeful of a couple of debuts (Chadli and Nyom) tomorrow and 3 points to go with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on September 10, 2016, 03:16:43 AM
Quote from: charlebaggie on September 09, 2016, 10:18:46 PM
.  Time and place  used press conference to get his point across .Lets see if  he  plays them now

It now looks as if Pocognoli and Gamboa were not his signings. He obviously didn't rate them and rarely gave them any game time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 10, 2016, 05:22:34 AM
Quote from: royhan on September 10, 2016, 03:16:43 AM
It now looks as if Pocognoli and Gamboa were not his signings. He obviously didn't rate them and rarely gave them any game time.
No because they signed before he joined the club. Please don't blame him for that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 10, 2016, 06:31:36 AM
Quote from: albiondean on September 09, 2016, 07:40:11 PM
I'm looking forward to the game tomorrow, Tony Pulis asked for new players to come in, they came in, they might or not be that players he wanted, but he knew all about the Albion how they do their transfer deals before he joined the club.

Just looking at the table and were sitting nicely with the so called big boys Arsenal and Liverpool on the same points, who have spent loads more than us.

This is true.
But you must also realise that we won't be that close to them at the end of the season?
He's also contemplating giving Chamakh a contract according to this

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/09/10/tony-pulis-chamakh-is-good-enough-to-play-number-10-for-west-brom/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 09:31:25 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2016, 01:11:12 AM
Don't have any problem with today's (yesterday's) presser.

Pulis had to respond to the appalling Chairman's Statement.

For me it's business as usual, and he'll see out his contract at the very least.

There was no inkling he didn't want the players we got, but also that we didn't get some of his bigger targets.

I'm also pleased to hear he won't accept any type of gagging order after he leaves the football club.

Hopeful of a couple of debuts (Chadli and Nyom) tomorrow and 3 points to go with it.


For me, the relationship is untenable, it's far from business as usual, but decisions can't be made until the acquisition is complete.

If, as you say, Pulis does see out his contract, then the club won't be in a position to impose a gagging order, but even if there is no gagging order, any accusations will have to be correct, otherwise there is a risk of libel. On the other hand, any termination of contact agreement will almost certainly contain a confidentiality clause, (gagging order)
Also it's my understanding that any gagging order is normally "time" limited.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 10, 2016, 10:09:39 AM
We had five signings over the summer

Robson- Kanu - Plainly not his first choice and to a degree thrown under the bus in his first press conference great man management there TP like your work

Nyon - Given we weren't  linked with any Right Backs at any point in the window difficult to say whether Pulis is happy with this or not although I suspect Lewis Dunk was being bought in as all round defensive cover.

Chadli - The marque signing but I think Schlupp was the priority for the left wing slot but we lost interest in Schlupp when the price went over £12m and he got himself injured. Not even sure that Pulis is happy with this. People I know connected with Spurs are questioning the player's sanity for coming to work with Pulis

Galloway - Taylor was linked  but Leeds wouldn't sell nor have they sold to anyone else everyone including the player is waiting for his contract to expire. Is Pulis happy with this one? Well he played the lad at left back rather than Evans but the acid test on this is what happens when Brunt returns to full fitness.

Phillips - Given the lengthy pursuit of the player last summer when he was in sole charge of transfer targets if not the budget Pulis has to he happy with this.

The Berahino saga and replacement striker. - Pulis has wanted to sell for the last two summers and has been frustrated by the club's unwillingness to do a deal. Equally he wanted a replacement and one was lined up in Sakho but the deal fell through not sure who pulled the plug but Pulis is as likely to have done as anyone in the club's hierarchy given the stated reason was fitness. It will be interesting to see when the player returns to fitness.

Other targets which might have been the Pulis marque signings Sissoko and Benteke. Stand out among the sea of rumours. Neither was remotely realistic ever. So to call them targets is a nonsense. Sissoko was holding out for and got a move to a Champions League club and Benteke made it pretty clear to all involved that the deal he wanted was Palace and he was quite prepared to sit on his contract at Liverpool if he didn't get it.

I have just seen Pulis call Marouane Chamakh  a "number 10" there is no hope.

The Chairman says there was money and the manager vetoed deals. Yet the manager says he didn't get the deals he wanted.

Something has to give here and unlike the Megson Thompson clash it isn't going to be the Chairman.





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on September 09, 2016, 07:22:12 PM
Only thing I worry about with Pulis getting sacked is the next appointment. No faith in the club to make right decision at all.

There are loads of bright, progressive coaches around Europe that I would love to see us go for. Be a proper progressive club.

Problem is we have turned into a blundering club and I think we would end up with a Clarke, Mel, Irvine appointment.
Peace will be gone soon and so will Jenkins. It doesn't look like Pulis will make it through the season either. Once the takeover is finalised, a line needs to be drawn under what's gone before and we can see what the new broom of Mr Lai's consortium and John Williams can do to imrpove things. Williams was really very highly respected at Blackburn, so there's no reason why he can't do a similarly good job for us.

As far as Peace staying on in an advisory capacity is concerned, that's all he'll be, as he'll have no shares and, consequently, no power any longer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 10, 2016, 10:30:11 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 10:26:02 AM
Peace will be gone soon and so will Jenkins. It doesn't look like Pulis will make it through the season either. Once the takeover is finalised, a line needs to be drawn under what's gone before and we can see what the new broom of Mr Lai's consortium and John Williams can do to imrpove things. Williams was really very highly respected at Blackburn, so there's no reason why he can't do a similarly good job for us.

As far as Peace staying on in an advisory capacity is concerned, that's all he'll be, as he'll have no shares and, consequently, no power any longer.

What do you imagine his fee will be?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 10:40:50 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 10:26:02 AM


As far as Peace staying on in an advisory capacity is concerned, that's all he'll be, as he'll have no shares and, consequently, no power any longer.

Over the years, JP will have built up a number of networks. I would imagine that JP's advisory role is involved in getting John Williams up to speed within those networks. Can't see JP being involved in any day to day at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 10, 2016, 10:55:32 AM
Without wishing to stray into the area of who replaces Pulis. I would say that the club either embraces the Director of Football model or it doesn't, some halfway house which is where we seem to have ended up is just untenable.

For what it is worth I wouldn't want to see us with an old school British style manager of which Pulis is probably the best/worst example where they control everything and everything that the club does on the playing side has to be sanctioned by them. Yes there needs to be joined up thinking particularly on recruitment but the reality of modern football is a manager and his assistants can't cover the ground required to even look at all the options that are open to us.

The appointments of Clarke, Mel, and Irvine were logical in that they were coaches rather than old style managers. They fell over for their own reasons. Ironically Clarke hankered after being an old school manager and was given more influence on recruitment and things quickly unraveled.  We need a better coach and one that is in tune with the modern footballing world.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 10, 2016, 11:09:13 AM
Quote from: Standaman on September 10, 2016, 10:55:32 AM
Without wishing to stray into the area of who replaces Pulis. I would say that the club either embraces the Director of Football model or it doesn't, some halfway house which is where we seem to have ended up is just untenable.

For what it is worth I wouldn't want to see us with an old school British style manager of which Pulis is probably the best/worst example where they control everything and everything that the club does on the playing side has to be sanctioned by them. Yes there needs to be joined up thinking particularly on recruitment but the reality of modern football is a manager and his assistants can't cover the ground required to even look at all the options that are open to us.

The appointments of Clarke, Mel, and Irvine were logical in that they were coaches rather than old style managers. They fell over for their own reasons. Ironically Clarke hankered after being an old school manager and was given more influence on recruitment and things quickly unraveled.  We need a better coach and one that is in tune with the modern footballing world.
Not a trick question.

What is the set up for (cringe) the top 6? Is it the head coach style or is it beans on toast?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2016, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 09:31:25 AM

For me, the relationship is untenable, it's far from business as usual, but decisions can't be made until the acquisition is complete.

If, as you say, Pulis does see out his contract, then the club won't be in a position to impose a gagging order, but even if there is no gagging order, any accusations will have to be correct, otherwise there is a risk of libel. On the other hand, any termination of contact agreement will almost certainly contain a confidentiality clause, (gagging order)
Also it's my understanding that any gagging order is normally "time" limited.
100%
Exactly why Pulis mentioned the book, basically it's brinksmanship in the pay off, there will be a ton of stuff that TP may have heard/seen that would be explosive but by paying him more than a book would reap, in exchange for silence till it's almost an irrelevance, the board win, just depends on how much he wants?
But there are big factors
He needs to pay off what he lost to palace
His actual contract is short so not £££££
He will be very aware he is a relic from a former time, someone will take him but no one at the top table and no one fashionable, he's on the downward

I genuinely appreciate why the club took him at the time and due to timings and circumstance we are where we are, he will be gone before November , I hope we can be visionary and really think we will do the right thing in the Jan window

We have come a long way, from 50th to 30th is so much easier than 10th to 8th , we need some calm and patience
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 11:55:06 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 10, 2016, 10:30:11 AM
What do you imagine his fee will be?
I'll answer you in the takeover thread, as this is off-topic here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on September 10, 2016, 12:03:05 PM
I've thought all along that we NEED Pulis but i'm starting to sway. Chamakh a number 10? Irvine playing good football? Picking Saido in the number 10 role? Constantly picking Yacob and Fletcher in a 442?

He now appears to be laughing at the club and doesn't even seem to like the club. He's never clicked with the fans and he's even questioned our attitude at times when he's been churning out game after game with minimal to no shots on target.

I'm just a bit bored of it really and i could just ignore us on match days but i absolutely love this club and i want it to be something i can enjoy every week and go to work on Monday and talk about how well Albion played and how entertaining we are.

I can persevere this until next May but i don't support WBA to persevere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: Adder on September 09, 2016, 09:03:11 PM
The chairman's comments in a prepared statement sound worse the more you look at them. 'He wanted 5 and we signed 5' is a bit insulting to the intelligence of supporters and is playing on Pulis' lack of popularity with a large section of fans. I think Williams needs to give a bit more thought to what he says in future.
I'm sure the statement wasn't produced unilaterally by Williams and would have been reviewed by several people before being published. I'm sure the intention of some of the wording was to indicate that Pulis was a factor in us not signing other players to the ones that we did. Without having too much evidence to go on, who people choose to believe in all of this is up to them.

I still await the minutes of the Assembly meeting with great interest, as those who went seem to be keeping largely schtum at present for whatever reason, and the publication of the minutes might make those who were present feel more able to comment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 12:31:34 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 12:11:42 PM
I'm sure the statement wasn't produced unilaterally by Williams and would have been reviewed by several people before being published. I'm sure the intention of some of the wording was to indicate that Pulis was a factor in us not signing other players to the ones that we did. Without having too much evidence to go on, who people choose to believe in all of this is up to them.

I still await the minutes of the Assembly meeting with great interest, as those who went seem to be keeping largely schtum at present for whatever reason, and the publication of the minutes might make those who were present feel more able to comment.

Actually Worcs, I've been thinking about that statement myself, & as you say, it would have been composed & vetted by several people before being published.
I think it's fair to say, that you, like me, tend to be quite analytical in "problem solving" & reaching conclusions, so if you consider the conditions that need to exist for a player to transfer from one club to another.

There has to be a willing seller

There has to be a willing player

There has to be a willing buyer.

For each of those participants in the sale, there is a corresponding set of reasons why the sale did or didn't go ahead, probably categorised into three groups:

Financial

Personal

Technical or Football.

If we take financial first: The selling club have to agree a transfer fee with the buying club.
                                      The player has to agree a contract with the buying club
                                       The player may have a better offer elsewhere

Then Personal; The player may be happy where he is, & may not want to join the buying club
                         The player may not want to move his family at that time
                          Possibly a number of other reasons

Then Football: The buying club may have found a flaw in the player, not previously recognised (injury proned for example)
                        The buying club may have found another player who is a closer fit to the required profile
                         The player may not like the playing style of the buying club
                         The player may be put off by the reputation of the coaching team at the buying club
                         The player might think himself capable of a better standard of football than that offered by the buying club.

So "football reasons" doesn't have to be a fault of WBAFC or any of it's coaching staff, but, on the other hand it could be.

An interesting comment for me from the report on the assembly was the one that said the club could have been better prepared for the transfer window.
Does that mean, we had a list of names we were so confident of getting that we didn't have a fall back list? & is that what the Chairman was alluding to when he said our head coach is very specific in his requirements?


       
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on September 10, 2016, 12:33:56 PM
I've never been in the anti Pulis camp but as manager he must share the blame for this transfer window and  his attitude towards Kanu stinks for me, i would  pick anyone ahead of bambino who is just taking the P##s and should be left to rot on the bench not someone who as come in and shown he is desperate to play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 10, 2016, 12:55:03 PM
I think Pulis has been hung out to dry just like Megson, Robson and Mel before him.

We will tell you who to buy, but if they fail then it's your fault.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 10, 2016, 01:12:03 PM
Why would he say that about Robson-Kanu.

Shows another example of him being an absolutely terrible man manager and a genuine @rseh0le.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2016, 01:24:13 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 10, 2016, 01:12:03 PM
Why would he say that about Robson-Kanu.

Shows another example of him being an absolutely terrible man manager and a genuine @rseh0le.
What's the evidence for him being a terrible man manager ? Pocognoli and Sandro who both could have been pi**ed off through lack of opportunity, both recommended the club to Chadli and Phillips respectively. Would they have done that if they thought the manager an '@rseh0le' ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 01:25:44 PM
Quote from: KYA on September 10, 2016, 12:33:56 PM
I've never been in the anti Pulis camp but as manager he must share the blame for this transfer window and  his attitude towards Kanu stinks for me, i would  pick anyone ahead of bambino who is just taking the P##s and should be left to rot on the bench not someone who as come in and shown he is desperate to play.
How do we know he isn't pressured to pick him by the Board? He is told who we can bid for in the transfer market. Maybe Berahino plays due to contractual agreements?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on September 10, 2016, 01:26:19 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 10, 2016, 01:12:03 PM
Why would he say that about Robson-Kanu.

Shows another example of him being an absolutely terrible man manager and a genuine @rseh0le.

Imagine how Robson-Kanu feels after his manager makes it known that he's not the player he wanted. I think Pulis is slowly but surely putting the noose around his own neck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 10, 2016, 01:29:22 PM
Quote from: divinewind on September 10, 2016, 12:55:03 PM
I think Pulis has been hung out to dry just like Megson, Robson and Mel before him.

We will tell you who to buy, but if they fail then it's your fault.

Frustration? Knowing that he is a dead man walking?  Playing for the sack and the pay off?

Who knows,maybe all three.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 01:31:18 PM
Quote from: royhan on September 10, 2016, 01:26:19 PM
Imagine how Robson-Kanu feels after his manager makes it known that he's not the player he wanted. I think Pulis is slowly but surely putting the noose around his own neck.
How do you think the manager feels when he is giving players to play that he does not want? Especially of the quality of Robson Kanu. And also apart from unattractive football I really don't think Pulis can be accused of not being a good man motivator. Look how he has managed to keep one of the poorest squads in the Premier League. You cvan't do that if you are not motivated by the manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 10, 2016, 01:37:23 PM
Put yourself in Pulis's position, being given players he doesn't want, not knowing what is future here is, being slated by the fans and press alike.
God knows why he does the job, it can't be for the money...oh ..hang on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 01:43:26 PM
Quote from: divinewind on September 10, 2016, 01:37:23 PM
Put yourself in Pulis's position, being given players he doesn't want, not knowing what is future here is, being slated by the fans and press alike.
God knows why he does the job, it can't be for the money...oh ..hang on.
Isn't that why most people work?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2016, 01:57:13 PM
Have I missed something what did he say about HRK?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: petjob on September 10, 2016, 01:58:01 PM
I don't think Pulis likes anything about our beloved club.
Board, Chairman, Players, and now his so called 'Chinese) he looks down on them all.
Who does he think he is......more to the point what has he ever won.
A most rude and arrogant man who is dragging our club into the gutter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 02:01:13 PM
Quote from: petjob on September 10, 2016, 01:58:01 PM
I don't think Pulis likes anything about our beloved club.
Board, Chairman, Players, and now his so called 'Chinese) he looks down on them all.
Who does he think he is......more to the point what has he ever won.
A most rude and arrogant man who is dragging our club into the gutter.
Bring back Hodgson he's a nice well spoken cultured LOSER.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 02:09:30 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2016, 01:57:13 PM
Have I missed something what did he say about HRK?

Here's a link to the presser mate - Good break?


http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/press-conference-pulis-previews-trip-to-bournemouth-3297632.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/press-conference-pulis-previews-trip-to-bournemouth-3297632.aspx)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 10, 2016, 02:13:37 PM
So many of our managers have been let down by the board.
It isn't an head coach we want but a magician.
Pulis doesn't float my boat but he is working with both hands behind his back.
He was brought in to keep us up on the cheap and then be made the scapegoat for his style.
You can only play stylish football if you are given stylish players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: divinewind on September 10, 2016, 02:13:37 PM
So many of our managers have been let down by the board.
It isn't an head coach we want but a magician.
Pulis doesn't float my boat but he is working with both hands behind his back.
He was brought in to keep us up on the cheap and then be made the scapegoat for his style.
You can only play stylish football if you are given stylish players.
I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 10, 2016, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: divinewind on September 10, 2016, 02:13:37 PM
So many of our managers have been let down by the board.
It isn't an head coach we want but a magician.
Pulis doesn't float my boat but he is working with both hands behind his back.
He was brought in to keep us up on the cheap and then be made the scapegoat for his style.
You can only play stylish football if you are given stylish players.

I think this is where most of the confusion lies.

Many aren't asking for this incredible stylish play (though of course would be nice), what people are asking for is not to stick 10 men behind the ball every game and a couple of shots on target. Asking the world? Not really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 02:20:39 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 10, 2016, 02:17:03 PM
I think this is where most of the confusion lies.

Many aren't asking for this incredible stylish play (though of course would be nice), what people are asking for is not to stick 10 men behind the ball every game and a couple of shots on target. Asking the world? Not really.
Isn't that what Villa and Newcastle did last season? I want better football I want better players I want a better manager sadly I don't believe I will see any of these. Blame Tony for playing boring football - Yes Blame him for having poor quality players NO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 10, 2016, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: bry on September 10, 2016, 02:20:39 PM
Isn't that what Villa and Newcastle did last season? I want better football I want better players I want a better manager sadly I don't believe I will see any of these. Blame Tony for playing boring football - Yes Blame him for having poor quality players NO.

How many games did we not have a single shot on target.

Stop believing Tony, this team ISNT that bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 10, 2016, 02:22:12 PM
Quote from: Adder on September 10, 2016, 01:24:13 PM
What's the evidence for him being a terrible man manager ? Pocognoli and Sandro who both could have been pi**ed off through lack of opportunity, both recommended the club to Chadli and Phillips respectively. Would they have done that if they thought the manager an '@rseh0le' ?

Did they really?  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: divinewind on September 10, 2016, 02:13:37 PM
So many of our managers have been let down by the board.
It isn't an head coach we want but a magician.
Pulis doesn't float my boat but he is working with both hands behind his back.
He was brought in to keep us up on the cheap and then be made the scapegoat for his style.
You can only play stylish football if you are given stylish players.
He has more control over signings than any of our managers for years, so I wouldn't shed too many tears for him. You're assuming that he had no responsibility for the players we ended up signing during the transfer window - how confident are you that part of the reason he ended up with those players is because of things he did or didn't do?

For example, we have signed just one player from a foreign-based club with no prior Premier League experience since Pulis joined. If you restrict your marketplace, you also restrict your options.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 02:29:11 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 02:25:30 PM
He has more control over signings than any of our managers for years, so I wouldn't shed too many tears for him. You're assuming that he had no responsibility for the players we ended up signing during the transfer window - how confident are you that part of the reason he ended up with those players is because of things he did or didn't do?

For example, we have signed just one player from a foreign-based club with no prior Premier League experience since Pulis joined. If you restrict your marketplace, you also restrict your options.
Did you see his press conference he suggested there, he had no control and the club had a Continental system of buying players so is he telling the truth?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 10, 2016, 03:13:37 PM
The whole Pulis doesn't give youth a chance exposed as a myth. Good to see Field starting another game over the likes of Gardner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on September 10, 2016, 03:33:53 PM
This is the worst, something has to change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 10, 2016, 04:53:30 PM
And people say pulis is the only guy that will keep us up.... we have to get points to have any chance of stopping up.

Ridiculous, he needs to go, how people can still defend they guy is beyond me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 10, 2016, 04:56:55 PM
After that I've given up, he's got to go now.

His first season was genuinely good and he looked organised with an element of attack, second season had just about enough goals to get us by but it looks awful this season, we've progressively gotten worse.

Today we had an awful 45 minutes, should have been at least 1-0 down. To be fair, we then went for it a bit, but then when we went 1-0 down we did absolutely nothing. It wasn't because Pulis didn't want to defend, it's because he doesn't know how to attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on September 10, 2016, 04:56:59 PM
We're going down under Pulis. Terrible again today. Please act now and lets move on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on September 10, 2016, 04:58:47 PM
I hope we lose every game we play until this dinosaur is sacked. When we play like that against Bournemouth what is the point in us even existing?

The worst thing to happen to this club since, well, our last manager...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 10, 2016, 05:02:19 PM
Think that's his lot , dreadful first half .
Players melted after Bournemouth's goal , no sign of fight.
Really don't know how he could turn this around now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on September 10, 2016, 05:02:34 PM
got to go hasn't he, would like to hear from all the fans saying that Pulis is the only manager to keep us up this season, do you all honestly still believe that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: bry on September 10, 2016, 02:29:11 PM
Did you see his press conference he suggested there, he had no control and the club had a Continental system of buying players so is he telling the truth?
In the same press conference where he said that we played fantastic football under Alan Irvine you mean?

In previous press conferences he's said he identifies the players and the club tries to sign them. If the players he identifies are unrealistic or overlooking the foreign marketplace, how is that the club's fault?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on September 10, 2016, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 02:25:30 PM
He has more control over signings than any of our managers for years, so I wouldn't shed too many tears for him. You're assuming that he had no responsibility for the players we ended up signing during the transfer window - how confident are you that part of the reason he ended up with those players is because of things he did or didn't do?

For example, we have signed just one player from a foreign-based club with no prior Premier League experience since Pulis joined. If you restrict your marketplace, you also restrict your options.

To be fair to him the clubs delves into the foreign market Rondon aside have been woeful for years now. Always the cheap options, really raised questions over the scouting quality quite frankly.

Pulis has some blame but the clubs movements in the transfer market were dreadful. The signings under Irvine were frankly embarrassing, likewise the final Clarke season. The only season since Ashworth left we've had a decent window was last year when we got Evans and Rondon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MrDominicRoberts on September 10, 2016, 05:05:47 PM
I honestly didn't think we could do worse than Alan Irvine but in Tony Pulis we clearly have. His position is untenable now and even if he is, as some fans suggest, the "only" manager who could keep us up, is it really worth it?

Some fans might be content with his "end justifies the means" brand of football but I can't take much more of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 10, 2016, 05:07:03 PM
Had enough now........for the first today I want him out of the club.

The first half was literally mind-numbing against a very ordinary team and one that we needed to beat to keep us away from the bottom.

We've had a pretty easy start at this level yet we only have FOUR points from TWELVE and have scored just TWO miserable goals from set pieces.

We have a few more 'winnable' games left and then we start on the difficult stuff where Pulis sits back in aware of the opposition's bench and how much money they have spent.

Had enough and even considering staying away next week for my own sanity - there again maybe we need to let the news owners know that they need to change things ?

Berahino, Puils, Peace and Jenkins can't get out of the club quick enough for me after the past few weeks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 10, 2016, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: boing_boing68 on September 10, 2016, 05:02:34 PM
got to go hasn't he, would like to hear from all the fans saying that Pulis is the only manager to keep us up this season, do you all honestly still believe that?
I do believe there's very few out there and its a big risk changing but I can see it happening now. Glaring chances missed but spend most games defending that will happen , you reap what you sow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: koren on September 10, 2016, 05:10:12 PM
Time to make a phone call to Roy Hodgson, Pulis' playing style will lead us to relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 10, 2016, 05:11:32 PM
A simple question to Pulis, if you don't score goals you don't win games, if you don't have shots you don't score goals, so how the hell do you propose we win a f!!!ing game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 10, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
Had enough of this prat and his style of football, but Peace has to take blame as well over the previous seasons to get us to this place no ambition what so ever from this man. Please JP do one
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 10, 2016, 05:13:49 PM
Quote from: Dexy on September 10, 2016, 05:07:24 PM
I do believe there's very few out there and its a big risk changing but I can see it happening now. Glaring chances missed but spend most games defending that will happen , you reap what you sow.

Chances missed but the opportunity of the whole first half missed by not even trying to attack this poor team - I'm dreading Pulis churning out the 'good team' line in praise of Bournemouth  !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 10, 2016, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: albion59 on September 10, 2016, 05:11:32 PM
A simple question to Pulis, if you don't score goals you don't win games, if you don't have shots you don't score goals, so how the hell do you propose we win a f!!!ing game?

With a big sweaty header from a corner if we get far enough up the pitch to get one.

A no to Hodgson as well, no more dinosaurs time for someone to move the club into 2016.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 10, 2016, 05:18:50 PM
Quote from: bry on September 10, 2016, 02:29:11 PM
Did you see his press conference he suggested there, he had no control and the club had a Continental system of buying players so is he telling the truth?

Bry please explain the whole of last year when he had total control, and last January's window plus he spent More than any manager we had before
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on September 10, 2016, 05:20:08 PM
Quote from: RedHead_Baggie on September 10, 2016, 05:17:24 PM
With a big sweaty header from a corner if we get far enough up the pitch to get one.

A no to Hodgson as well, no more dinosaurs time for someone to move the club into 2016.

We largely played decent stuff under Hodgson. Occassionally against the top teams he was extremely negative but usually against teams not much better than us or at our level we'd play decent stuff. We were a potent counter attacking side too, not sure we've scored a counter attack goal in a couple of seasons know.

I can think of plenty of exciting performances under Hodgson, Wolves, Chelsea, Newcastle. Some of the best stuff we've ever played in the premier league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 10, 2016, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: RedHead_Baggie on September 10, 2016, 05:17:24 PM
With a big sweaty header from a corner if we get far enough up the pitch to get one.

A no to Hodgson as well, no more dinosaurs time for someone to move the club into 2016.

Preach on mate preach on  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 10, 2016, 05:22:58 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 10, 2016, 05:20:08 PM
We largely played decent stuff under Hodgson. Occassionally against the top teams he was extremely negative but usually against teams not much better than us or at our level we'd play decent stuff. We were a potent counter attacking side too, not sure we've scored a counter attack goal in a couple of seasons know.

I can think of plenty of exciting performances under Hodgson, Wolves, Chelsea, Newcastle. Some of the best stuff we've ever played in the premier league.

I totally agree but I'd only want him here in the short term until we can get this mess sorted out. Time for the new owners to make their mark.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2016, 05:23:18 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 10, 2016, 05:20:08 PM
We largely played decent stuff under Hodgson. Occassionally against the top teams he was extremely negative but usually against teams not much better than us or at our level we'd play decent stuff. We were a potent counter attacking side too, not sure we've scored a counter attack goal in a couple of seasons know.

I can think of plenty of exciting performances under Hodgson, Wolves, Chelsea, Newcastle. Some of the best stuff we've ever played in the premier league.
There were plenty of dour nothing performances under Hodgson and not just against the top teams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cheesyknackers on September 10, 2016, 05:25:27 PM
Pep Guardiola would struggle with this team. Its not all Pulis fault .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 10, 2016, 05:28:12 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 10, 2016, 05:20:08 PM
We largely played decent stuff under Hodgson. Occassionally against the top teams he was extremely negative but usually against teams not much better than us or at our level we'd play decent stuff. We were a potent counter attacking side too, not sure we've scored a counter attack goal in a couple of seasons know.

I can think of plenty of exciting performances under Hodgson, Wolves, Chelsea, Newcastle. Some of the best stuff we've ever played in the premier league.

They do say never go back, I have no answers, My kidney problems are getting worse I used to look forward to games as an escape but Pulis is destroying that by playing pooh football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 05:29:01 PM
 Firstly he has to go . There is no logical argument  for him to stay.he has lost the fans (did he ever have them) , the board apparently dont want him ,he apparently doesnt  like our club or the way we do business so wheres the future in that relationship ............ PULIS OUT
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 05:31:02 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 05:29:01 PM
Firstly he has to go . There is no logical argument  for him to stay.he has lost the fans (did he ever have them) , the board apparently dont want him ,he apparently doesnt  like our club or the way we do business so wheres the future in that relationship ............ PULIS OUT
That's a concise and pretty accurate summary!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: cheesyknackers on September 10, 2016, 05:25:27 PM
Pep Guardiola would struggle with this team. Its not all Pulis fault .
I'd need to double-check, but I think it's now 15 players who've been signed during his time with us. At what point does it become his fault exactly?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 10, 2016, 05:37:40 PM
Hoping that there will be some breaking news about coach being sacked in next couple of hours and it's pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 10, 2016, 05:37:54 PM
So hrk and Morrison aren't even fit enough for a part of the game? Mcmannamn still in the bomb squad. 442 doesn't work with he personnel we have.

Could have predicted the result. Game only ever goes 1/3 ways:
1) all behind the ball we get some luck or score from set piece and hold on
2) all behind ball as usual concede early goal and get soundly beaten as Pulis has no real response to what's happend.
3) defend defend hold on and concede too late that our predictable forced changes don't have any time to rescue anything.

I fed up with the nonsense he hasn't been backed in the windows. That's his 4th transfer windows at the club. He bought Chester and mcmannaman for like £12mil together and bombed them out. Otherwise he limits himself to uk based players with pl experience- maybe he didn't get his first choice transfers but that's where you have a plan b. we we're never going to sign William carvallo.

He had a squad within a squad so doesn't utilise players, he plays people out of position we stick to a rigid 442 or 451 with his reliable perssonel and we don't attempt to win. We struggled to get past oxford port vale Bristol city, have been beaten by reading and Northampton. There's been about 8 games in his tenure we haven had a shot on goal and other games where we hit the target but you could never state they were genuine chances. The bloke has to go. And has had to go for a long time. Were going down because of his pants tactics and lack of balls to actually attempt to win a game.

Die on your feet don't live on your knees. We treat Bournemouth Middlesbrough like they are Real Madrid and Barcelona. New direction needed as by the time the next widow comes we could be a long way a drift.

2 wins in 15 games regardless of the majority being end of last season is still inexcusable. His points per game ratio and entertainment levels have been on a negative spiral since he walked through the door. Why do we need him to put out fires that he is responsible for starting?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 10, 2016, 05:38:40 PM
Quote from: cheesyknackers on September 10, 2016, 05:25:27 PM
Pep Guardiola would struggle with this team. Its not all Pulis fault .

He's brought plenty of his own players in now and has made a choice to alienate players and limit the squad and options he has.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 10, 2016, 05:39:11 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 05:29:01 PM
Firstly he has to go . There is no logical argument  for him to stay.he has lost the fans (did he ever have them) , the board apparently dont want him ,he apparently doesnt  like our club or the way we do business so wheres the future in that relationship ............ PULIS OUT

Plus he's made it clear he's not happy with what players we have here (wonder what players genuinely enjoy playing for him).... although he's had how many windows to get In players

But yeah could not agree more with you the sooner he's gone the better, we're just p*ssing in the wind with him at our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 05:39:47 PM
Quote from: divinewind on September 10, 2016, 02:13:37 PM
So many of our managers have been let down by the board.
It isn't an head coach we want but a magician.
Pulis doesn't float my boat but he is working with both hands behind his back.
He was brought in to keep us up on the cheap and then be made the scapegoat for his style.
You can only play stylish football if you are given stylish players.

100% correct. I've tried to stay patient but we are run by a bunch of muppets. That is ultimately our main problem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on September 10, 2016, 05:42:34 PM
 :(
Quote from: paulosull on September 10, 2016, 05:37:40 PM
Hoping that there will be some breaking news about coach being sacked in next couple of hours and it's pulis
.    Just got this feeling . He'll be gone by Monday . Watch this space  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on September 10, 2016, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 05:39:47 PM
100% correct. I've tried to stay patient but we are run by a bunch of muppets. That is ultimately our main problem.
.   Trouble is who are the muppets running it, has Peace still got influence has the new Chairman got any say , Who's making the transfer decisions if it's not Pulis ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 05:57:41 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 05:32:31 PM
I'd need to double-check, but I think it's now 15 players who've been signed during his time with us. At what point does it become his fault exactly?

Terry Burton left 30/06/2015, Nick Hammond started early May 2016. Tony Pulis started 1 January 2015.

On that basis, he would have had an input into the January 2015 window, exclusivity for the Summer 2015 & January 2016 windows & an input into the summer 2016 window. Of the top of my head he's brought in John Evans, Darren Fletcher, James McClean, Matt Phillips & Nacer Chadli on perms & played them. James Chester & Calum McManamun on perms & not played them. Sandro & Galloway on loans & played them, Pritchard & Gnabry on loans & not played them.

Iv'e also listened to the argument about only Pulis could keep us up with this poor squad. if you go to the os, & pull up the fixture tab, the team that we put out in August 2012 under Steve Clarke is no worse than the one we have now, with the exception of Peter Odemwingie & Romelu Lukarku. So what the f*ck were we spending time looking for a quality midfield player for, when we can't score goals
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Laurie Cunningham on September 10, 2016, 05:58:50 PM
Quote from: divinewind on September 10, 2016, 02:13:37 PM
So many of our managers have been let down by the board.
It isn't an head coach we want but a magician.
Pulis doesn't float my boat but he is working with both hands behind his back.
He was brought in to keep us up on the cheap and then be made the scapegoat for his style.
You can only play stylish football if you are given stylish players.


Very well said, its a shame others don't see it the way we do, Pulis will keep us in the PL without him i fear the worse, don't get me wrong I'm not keen on his style of play but were not going to spend the sort of cash to do anything else are we?

I cant see the new owners doing anything different, the reason i say this if they had cash to splash they would have splashed.
Its simple "if you got cash you shop @ Harrods no cash you shop @ B&M Bargains and sorry to disappoint some of you but we seem to be shopping @ forces support on carters green"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on September 10, 2016, 06:03:11 PM
Our squad is no worse than the one Bournemouth have that wiped the floor with us today.

Boruc, Arter, Surman, Cook, Daniels, Smith, King etc. They aren't world-beaters, they're decent Championship players. It's our set-up that makes them look like world-beaters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wobbs68 on September 10, 2016, 06:04:54 PM
In the late 70's we took a chance and recruited a bright young English football manager and played some of the best football I've ever seen.  Time to do it again I think.  Forget the dinosaurs.  I'd rather die fighting than praying not to be killed.  Gary Rowett anyone!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 06:06:22 PM
Quote from: Laurie Cunningham on September 10, 2016, 05:58:50 PM

Very well said, its a shame others don't see it the way we do, Pulis will keep us in the PL without him i fear the worse, don't get me wrong I'm not keen on his style of play but were not going to spend the sort of cash to do anything else are we?

I cant see the new owners doing anything different, the reason i say this if they had cash to splash they would have splashed.
Its simple "if you got cash you shop @ Harrods no cash you shop @ B&M Bargains and sorry to disappoint some of you but we seem to be shopping @ forces support on carters green"
Why do you fear the worst? Palace , Stoke Gillingham all survived after he left.He is a dinosaur that has no feel for the modern game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 06:06:44 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 05:29:01 PM
Firstly he has to go . There is no logical argument  for him to stay.he has lost the fans (did he ever have them) , the board apparently dont want him ,he apparently doesnt  like our club or the way we do business so wheres the future in that relationship ............ PULIS OUT
But who are we going to get who will accept a board like ours. Who can make a profit by not spending on players and keep us in the prem? I know sack the current team managers and have the dream trio of Peace, Williams and Hammond pick the team and choose the tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: wobbs68 on September 10, 2016, 06:04:54 PM
In the late 70's we took a chance and recruited a bright young English football manager and played some of the best football I've ever seen.  Time to do it again I think.  Forget the dinosaurs.  I'd rather die fighting than praying not to be killed.  Gary Rowett anyone!
give Giggs  a chance?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 10, 2016, 06:07:34 PM
for the first time supporting this club I now feel like we are the underdog in every game we play.
never liked pulis but I had some confidence that he was capable of grinding out a win 1/3 matches but this has just evaporated. the signs were there at the tail end of last season, safe or not the results were shocking and we've just carried this form into the new season.
cannot see how he will stay with 1 win in 15. >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2016, 06:09:10 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 05:57:41 PM
Terry Burton left 30/06/2015, Nick Hammond started early May 2016. Tony Pulis started 1 January 2015.

On that basis, he would have had an input into the January 2015 window, exclusivity for the Summer 2015 & January 2016 windows & an input into the summer 2016 window. Of the top of my head he's brought in John Evans, Darren Fletcher, James McClean, Matt Phillips & Nacer Chadli on perms & played them. James Chester & Calum McManamun on perms & not played them. Sandro & Galloway on loans & played them, Pritchard & Gnabry on loans & not played them.

Iv'e also listened to the argument about only Pulis could keep us up with this poor squad. if you go to the os, & pull up the fixture tab, the team that we put out in August 2012 under Steve Clarke is no worse than the one we have now, with the exception of Peter Odemwingie & Romelu Lukarku. So what the f*ck were we spending time looking for a quality midfield player for, when we can't score goals
to supply some drive, improve the passing and create some chances ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 06:10:22 PM
The club should have backed him or sacked him. The proof of the intent of the Board will be who they appoint next and how much is spent on new players it really is as simple as that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 06:12:49 PM
hopefully gone by lunch time Monday. Dont know what sort of reaction he got oday but will obviously spend the night at home with his family who may well start to question him as to why ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 06:15:02 PM
Here's a thought if we swapped Pulis for Mark Hughes do you think Stoke would stay up and we would go down? (Sorry moderators I'm not advocating the sacking of Pulis.)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 06:17:33 PM
TBH I'm putting all my faith in the new regime. I'm hoping the the acquisition will be confirmed by this time next week & we can start to look for something better.

The problem we have at the moment, is we're in purgatory..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 06:17:33 PM
TBH I'm putting all my faith in the new regime. I'm hoping the the acquisition will be confirmed by this time next week & we can start to look for something better.

The problem we have at the moment, is we're in purgatory..
John do you think mark Hughes would do a better job than Pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on September 10, 2016, 06:23:09 PM
Are we allowed to talk about replacements now

My list is:

Anyone other than what we have now

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 06:24:31 PM
 Lets turn this round and ask is there a good footballing reason for keeping  Pulis........................?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on September 10, 2016, 06:25:10 PM
No thanks to Hughes. Never done really well anywhere. Been well backed at Stoke and he's wasted millions on dross like Shaquiri and imbula. He'll take Stoke down just like he did with QPR, where he wasted even more money and left the in serious financial trouble. His football is as dull as Pulis's too, he just tries to be a bit more fancy but he hasn't a clue what he's doing. Awful manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 10, 2016, 06:26:47 PM
I'd like to know who would make the decision to pull the trigger.

I assume it is now John Williams? But would he need the blessing of JP/GL or is it just his decision?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on September 10, 2016, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 06:24:31 PM
Lets turn this round and ask is there a good footballing reason for keeping  Pulis........................?

We could, and probably would do much worse. Need I remind people the geniuses we have at the club decided to actually seek out Alan Irvine, a man who didn't even apply for the job. Hammond has done absolutely nothing to prove his worth (and frankly his managerial choices at Reading were more miss than hit, he lucked in to walking in there when they had Coppell already in place).

The fact is no better manager will touch us. The club goes for cheap managers who'll do what they're told so it can put the least investment possible in. Pulis was a desperate times, desperate measures appoitment so we relaxed things. We relaxed the structure but we've been quitely building it back up again in the background ready to appoint our next guy who'll be a failed manager but we'll be told they're a really great coach. But they won't complain about being given Hal Robson-Kanu and having Berahino on their hands for a 4th window in a row, so hey.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 06:30:59 PM
Quote from: bry on September 10, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
John do you think mark Hughes would do a better job than Pulis?

We're not allowed to discuss replacement managers until we have a vacancy.

As I said, I'm pinning all my hopes on the new regime, once they're in place, we could be talking about a whole different level. If we're not, then there's no advantage in making the sale.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pelada on September 10, 2016, 06:32:59 PM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-reveals-hal-robson-11868612

West Brom manager Tony Pulis has revealed Euro 2016 star Hal Robson-Kanu was not a transfer target for him this summer despite the Welshman being unveiled as a deadline day signing.

Pulis has criticised his own chairman, John Williams, insisting the players he ended up with joining his squad are not the marquee signings he actually wanted.

And that includes Robson-Kanu, who finally ended his two-month search for a new home on August 31 when he was unveiled by the Baggies.

“He wasn’t one of my main targets,” said Pulis. “He was available at the end and we thought he would be a good acquisition.

“But to say he was one of the marquee signings would be wrong - we’d have signed him at the beginning of the transfer window if he was.”

Williams issued a statement after the transfer deadline, claiming West Brom had met Pulis’s demands by signing five players.

But Pulis placed his job at increasing risk by hitting back at the former Blackburn chairman, who is the spokesman for prospective new Chinese owner Guochuan Lai.




“The five players that John has said I was happy with, they weren’t the marquee players I wanted to bring in,” said the Welshman.

“But we’ve brought the players in and we’ve got to get on with it.

“There’s all sort of different reasons why those players weren’t brought in, but to try to say they were the five that I wanted, that’s wrong.

“I’ve spoken to John about it and I think he accepts that.”

Robson-Kanu was left out in the cold after being released by Reading despite his Euro 2016 heroics, which included a wonder goal against Belgium in the quarter-finals
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 10, 2016, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: bry on September 10, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
John do you think mark Hughes would do a better job than Pulis?
depends, Hughes' teams regularly start slow, but he has beaten Pulis' records at Stoke every year. I'd be inclined to say that Hughes is the better manager, yes. I'd also be inclined to believe that he could in fact do a better job here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 10, 2016, 06:38:27 PM
This bloke is delusional blaming player's for showing Bournemouth too much respect in first half what about the other teams we play week in week out when we give them all the possession they want who's fault is that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 06:38:58 PM
Quote from: BB74 on September 10, 2016, 06:26:47 PM
I'd like to know who would make the decision to pull the trigger.

I assume it is now John Williams? But would he need the blessing of JP/GL or is it just his decision?

I think Mr Lai would be looking for some leadership from John Williams. If I were in John's position, I would be recommending replacing our head coach, but Mr Lai might not want to appear ruthless. I'm afraid it's a bit of a political game that's going on at the moment. Once we're through that we should be ok. As things stand we have plenty of recovery time, so things may well get worse before they get better
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 10, 2016, 06:46:27 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 06:38:58 PM
I think Mr Lai would be looking for some leadership from John Williams. If I were in John's position, I would be recommending replacing our head coach, but Mr Lai might not want to appear ruthless. I'm afraid it's a bit of a political game that's going on at the moment. Once we're through that we should be ok. As things stand we have plenty of recovery time, so things may well get worse before they get better

I agree John,

Earn your pay Mr Wliiams, make a judgement call.

Nobody will be ultra critical if what you decide to do turns out to be a bit of a bummer.

Doing nothing is worse in my eyes than doing something and getting it wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 06:50:36 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 10, 2016, 06:46:27 PM
I agree John,

Earn your pay Mr Wliiams, make a judgement call.

Nobody will be ultra critical if what you decide to do turns out to be a bit of a bummer.

Doing nothing is worse in my eyes than doing something and getting it wrong.
I would be hyper critical. I am critical now. They should have backed Pulis or sacked him before the window. They are as complicit as anyone for the position we are in now. They admitted as much in a statement saying they weren't prepared for such a difficult transfer window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on September 10, 2016, 06:54:18 PM
Think this could be the year we go down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 10, 2016, 06:54:26 PM
Quote from: bry on September 10, 2016, 06:50:36 PM
I would be hyper critical. I am critical now. They should have backed Pulis or sacked him before the window. They are as complicit as anyone for the position we are in now. They admitted as much in a statement saying they weren't prepared for such a difficult transfer window.

With you on that Bry, it just seems nobody in the entire club is capable of doing anything.

Why do they get paid 6 figure sums? Search me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 06:58:18 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 10, 2016, 06:28:59 PM
We could, and probably would do much worse. Need I remind people the geniuses we have at the club decided to actually seek out Alan Irvine, a man who didn't even apply for the job.

The fact is no better manager will touch us. The club goes for cheap managers who'll do what they're told so it can put the least investment possible in. Pulis was a desperate times, desperate measures appoitment so we relaxed things. We relaxed the structure but we've been quitely building it back up again in the background ready to appoint our next guy who'll be a failed manager but we'll be told they're a really great coach. But they won't complain about being given Hal Robson-Kanu and having Berahino on their hands for a 4th window in a row, so hey.
managers will queue up to have a punt in the Prem league , in my book it will be difficult to do worse than Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 06:59:46 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 10, 2016, 06:46:27 PM
I agree John,

Earn your pay Mr Wliiams, make a judgement call.

Nobody will be ultra critical if what you decide to do turns out to be a bit of a bummer.

Doing nothing is worse in my eyes than doing something and getting it wrong.
But it might not be John Williams procrastinating. What I said was my recommendation would be to move Pulis on, we don't know if that was also John Williams recommendation too.

As I said earlier,we are in purgatory at the moment, between owners, that's what's causing the problem, once the acquisition has been approved, then we can move on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 10, 2016, 07:01:08 PM
Tony comparing himself to Irvine interms of the fans getting on his back. Saying fans didn't like his tippy tippy game and not winning games.

1) comparing yourself to Irvine is a VERY low bar.
2) it wasn't his football that people didn't like, it was him. Hence why he was wanted gone before he even started.
3) Irvine's issue was he kept drawing (sound familiar?) but atleast they were score draws with SOME excitement to them.
4) Irvine was not a tippy tippy manager. He relied heavily on the counter. This is why we struggled to break teams down and passed in front of them. Its also why we struggled for clean sheets as we'd be overrun a lot of games trying to make opposition overcommit. Actually his method were very close to yours mr. Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 07:03:45 PM
Firstly I would say I don't like the way Pulis makes the Albion play football. But he seems to me one of the few managers we have had to stand up and say what the club are like behind the scenes. If I was Pulis from now until I get sacked I would play Pepe Mel style football. All out attack 4 2 4 formation. Nyom at full back. whats he got to loose? Everyone thinks its his fault the players play so badly so let them go for it. I suspect we would be ripped to pieces. No one would be hyper critical though would they.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on September 10, 2016, 07:04:09 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 06:58:18 PM
managers will queue up to have a punt in the Prem league , in my book it will be difficult to do worse than Pulis

Like they did when it took us 6 weeks to end up with Irvine? That was pre-season too when its far more enticing to take a job. or like when we ended up with mel after a month of searching?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 10, 2016, 07:05:51 PM
Tony Pulis - "When I first came into the football club the supporters were moaning about Alan Irvine because he was playing tippy tappy football and not winning football. So you can't please everybody all the time."

Oh I see, so the solution you came up was to play the worst football known to man AND not win.

Pure genius.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on September 10, 2016, 07:06:18 PM
Pulis is 5/4 favourite with SkyBet to be the first Premiership manager to leave his club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 10, 2016, 07:07:20 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 06:59:46 PM
But it might not be John Williams procrastinating. What I said was my recommendation would be to move Pulis on, we don't know if that was also John Williams recommendation too.

As I said earlier,we are in purgatory at the moment, between owners, that's what's causing the problem, once the acquisition has been approved, then we can move on

Somebody has to do something mate.

Fair enough things are up in the air at the moment, but the world is still turning and they are still getting some serious coin in there back pocket.

There will be other reasons, other people to blame when this little ball ache goes away, nobody appears to have a set of bollox.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
His football might be sh**, but nowhere near as sh** as our supporters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 07:09:31 PM
Wasn't the last manager to criticise the club about how difficult it was to manage, Gary Megson?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: bry on September 10, 2016, 07:09:31 PM
Wasn't the last manager to criticise the club about how difficult it was to manage, Gary Megson?

Only because of non-disclosure agreements. Peace tied that loophole a long time ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 07:23:22 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 07:16:57 PM
Only because of non-disclosure agreements. Peace tied that loophole a long time ago.
Exactly. Pulis stands up to the board. He didn't want players of the quality of Robson Kanu. With better quality players he would have kept us in the Premier League playing a slightly better but not brilliant style of football. That was the time to let him go and push onto a better style of football next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on September 10, 2016, 07:25:17 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
His football might be sh**, but nowhere near as sh** as our supporters.

Cool story, bro....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on September 10, 2016, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
His football might be sh**, but nowhere near as sh** as our supporters.

Cant blame our fans for turning on him.  Its turgid and Pulis and people pay a lot of money to watch this dross.

I know our fans can be a moaning bunch but I personally think they have been patient with the dross Pulis has put us through.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 10, 2016, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on September 10, 2016, 07:33:20 PM
Cant blame our fans for turning on him.  Its turgid and Pulis and people pay a lot of money to watch this dross.

I know our fans can be a moaning bunch but I personally think they have been patient with the dross Pulis has put us through.

We all know us Albion fans are moaners, thats the black country way but enough is enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 10, 2016, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: bry on September 10, 2016, 07:09:31 PM
Wasn't the last manager to criticise the club about how difficult it was to manage, Gary Megson?

All of them since Megson...although poor old Pepe wasn't even given the time to say it. Did he even get a translator? He didn't get a coach...

Hodgson was desperate to rebuild his reputation so Ashworth convinced him, since then we haven't been able to attract a decent manager. I wonder why?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 10, 2016, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 10, 2016, 07:44:44 PM
All of them since Megson...although poor old Pepe wasn't even given the time to say it. Did he even get a translator? He didn't get a coach...

Hodgson was desperate to rebuild his reputation so Ashworth convinced him, since then we haven't been able to attract a decent manager. I wonder why?

Guess who turned up when Megson left?


That's right Mr Teflon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darby009 on September 10, 2016, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: paulosull on September 10, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
Had enough of this prat and his style of football, but Peace has to take blame as well over the previous seasons to get us to this place no ambition what so ever from this man. Please JP do one

Not disagreeing with some of your sentiments but I have it on very great old authority that peace recommended to the new owners to sack him in the summer but they wanted to keep continuity until takeover was complete
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 08:01:05 PM
If you listen to the Pulis rhetoric at the moment, it's very defensive & it's all about me, me, me. & It's not my fault.

That's why I've turned against him.

Because of the situation we're in, which incidentally looks like being resolved as early as next Tuesday now, we can't get a resolution until the acquisition is approved, but the sooner he's gone the better for me now.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 10, 2016, 08:03:11 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
His football might be sh**, but nowhere near as sh** as our supporters.

Spoken like a true 'super fan'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 10, 2016, 08:03:25 PM
There has only been 3 managers in the last 20 odd years that have done the job.Megson,Hodgson and Pulis.The rest have to put it politely "Have flattered to deceive"
We are run on a shoestring the three I mention have done a job despite the clubs owner not because of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 08:05:57 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 07:16:57 PM
Only because of non-disclosure agreements. Peace tied that loophole a long time ago.
Be interesting to see if it becomes untied once the takeover iscompleted
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 10, 2016, 07:04:09 PM
Like they did when it took us 6 weeks to end up with Irvine? That was pre-season too when its far more enticing to take a job. or like when we ended up with mel after a month of searching?
That was peace´s choice doesnt mean others werent interested.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 10, 2016, 08:09:25 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 10, 2016, 08:03:11 PM
Spoken like a true 'super fan'
I can remember attending a pre season friendly v Halesowen Town. And two "Baggie fans" asked me where the bar was.I said I did not know and they said what a feckin dump! I now live 60 odd miles away but have more respect for HTFC than that!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 10, 2016, 08:10:01 PM
its all about the money, always has been at wba.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/848628071?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on September 10, 2016, 08:10:11 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
His football might be sh**, but nowhere near as sh** as our supporters.
.  Come on Van ! Surely you can't accept how we are playing. I have fought his corner has much as the next man , but I think it's time for both parties . He's on about Chamak would be a great signing if we could get him fit so that means we will never see HRK near the team . Right or wrong about the 5 signings. I really think he's thrown his toys out the pram and drove a wedge between himself and the board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on September 10, 2016, 08:19:32 PM
 Also another point. Why! Oh Why!  When we had a friendly last weekend. Let's Berahino go on holiday then starts him today. Unbelievable!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 10, 2016, 08:40:43 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 10, 2016, 08:10:01 PM
its all about the money, always has been at wba.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/848628071?-11200:789:0

I will stand by what I have said since day 1, lazy lazy chairman that has done nothing for WBA that wouldn't make him richer.

Feel free to tell me I'm wrong JP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: blue on September 10, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on September 10, 2016, 08:19:32 PM
Also another point. Why! Oh Why!  When we had a friendly last weekend. Let's Berahino go on holiday then starts him today. Unbelievable!
Agree ,plus Pulis had been banging on how much he would like Saido to stay.
Well he stayed  Tone and now you can use him as one of your many excuses. Its as if Pulis is playing a game of sack me but what more could i do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on September 10, 2016, 08:49:29 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 10, 2016, 08:10:01 PM
its all about the money, always has been at wba.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/848628071?-11200:789:0
2nd time this week I've agreed with caravan!
We've never spent money except on Peter Barnes or was it David Mills - hardly world beaters, rumour was that we'd have had to pay it in tax! Must must be written in the WBA constitution!
TP does what it says on the tin, 12 PL teams are in the same position scrambling to stay up, I admit I'm losing patience with the boring football we play, teams are scared to lose, but for me football for the common man is dead, I can't even stand the championship - look at the money there too!
Sad to say but I'd rather watch Newport in L2 or some guys in the park Saturday afternoon!
Too much money - too many prima donnas!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2016, 08:54:11 PM
A lot hinges on this prospective meeting with the Chinese. I don't anticipate him leaving mid-season if I'm honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 10, 2016, 08:57:41 PM
Pulis says Irvine played 'tippy tappy football' but it was actually very similar to his own current style (not the style that Pulis began with when he first arrived when it got results). I.e. Not much up front, defend but then when conceding there's no plan B - that is where we're currently at, and it's very similar to Irvine - who could also go a full half etc without getting a shot on target.

Also, bringing on McManaman at 1-0 down today would have been ideal, or Morrison but they seem bombed out which is not professional at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 10, 2016, 09:07:54 PM
 his whole ethos is based on keeping clean sheets but how many have we kept in the lat 15 games?? :( :( if we cant do that then we are not going to get many points as this squad havent got many goals in them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 10, 2016, 09:20:08 PM
I'm utterly sick of this man and his bullsh*t. The fans weren't complaining about Tippy Tappy football they took against Irvine from the get go and turned ugly when the results headed south. Pulis got a lot longer honeymoon period and he should be thankful he followed Irvine or the fans would have been against him a long time ago. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 10, 2016, 09:37:01 PM
I think my main problem with Pulis is that his gameplan is to play for the set piece.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on September 10, 2016, 09:43:50 PM
Pulis's position is surely untenable. He has publicly spoken out against the transfer policy and the chairman and now the supporters. I would expect him to be sacked next week when the takeover has been completed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: shortybaggies on September 10, 2016, 10:03:55 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
His football might be sh**, but nowhere near as sh** as our supporters.

Absolutely ridiculous thing to say. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 10, 2016, 10:42:54 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
His football might be sh**, but nowhere near as sh** as our supporters.
just cause you love pulis and the majority of us don't doesn't make us pooh supporters, it's called an opinion mate >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 10:44:44 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on September 10, 2016, 08:03:25 PM
There has only been 3 managers in the last 20 odd years that have done the job.Megson,Hodgson and Pulis.The rest have to put it politely "Have flattered to deceive"
As you've included Hodgson, would you care to define what "the job" is that they've done?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 10, 2016, 10:48:59 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 10:44:44 PM
As you've included Hodgson, would you care to define what "the job" is that they've done?

Performed miracles on a shoestring.

Hopefully the takeover will herald a new dawn where we realise we have been in this league for a few years and act like a Premier League club and not as though we should be thankful to the powers that created it for allowing us to be here and getting rid of the "mid table Championship club" mentality by acting aiming higher than 17th each season.

All starts at the top.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 10:53:22 PM
Have people considered that one possible scenario for our failure in the transfer window is because the club could have been chasing after unattainable and unrealistic targets identified by Pulis? As he was able to call the shots in that regard, so it went on until time had almost run out. Then it became a question of salvaging something and perhaps then, near the end of the window, some other players were looked at that weren't Pulis's targets - "Tony, we've spoken to his club and we can get X for Y, are you interested?".

We don't yet know for sure, but just assuming that our transfer window failure was solely down to Williams, Hammond, Jenkins, Garlick or whoever is an easy assumption to make, but an assumption is all it is, the same as my scenario above. That scenario is certainly plausible though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 10, 2016, 10:57:09 PM
Personally I absolve not one person from blame in this transfer window but knowing how the club act and have acted in previous windows then there seems to be a common theme where we fail to get targets regardless of who has identified them and have to settle for lower down the pile and I here have sympathy with previous coaches who have at times seemingly been lumbered with players
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 11:00:39 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 10, 2016, 10:48:59 PM
Performed miracles on a shoestring.
We stayed up under other managers as well, so didn't they perform miracles too?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 10, 2016, 11:02:48 PM
This is supposed to be an "easy" start for us.
He isn't using it as a platform.
He is far too negative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 11:03:13 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 10, 2016, 10:57:09 PM
Personally I absolve not one person from blame in this transfer window but knowing how the club act and have acted in previous windows then there seems to be a common theme where we fail to get targets regardless of who has identified them and have to settle for lower down the pile and I here have sympathy with previous coaches who have at times seemingly been lumbered with players.
I do agree with that, but it was made clear by Pulis himself that he had got unprecedented control (certainly in recent years) over which players we would try to sign. For me, that makes it a bit different to what had gone on before, and not so much "same old, same old".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 10, 2016, 11:04:53 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 11:00:39 PM
We stayed up under other managers as well, so didn't they perform miracles too?

They did yes but only those three were named.

Megson started it all off, Hodgson came in and steadied it all until England came calling and Pulis had to try and clean up after two botched appointments and a club in turmoil on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 10, 2016, 11:07:18 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 11:03:13 PM
I do agree with that, but it was made clear by Pulis himself that he had got unprecedented control (certainly in recent years) over which players we would try to sign. For me, that makes it a bit different to what had gone on before, and not so much "same old, same old".

Problem with it all is that the club can say okay you have control but then it comes to doing deals and those that do that part seem to have problems doing it and we end up with players so far down the list that we started with our targets in West Bromwich and ended up in Gloucestershire before we got one.  Obviously Chadli being the exception so someone must have had a day off when we slipped that one in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 11:11:58 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 10:53:22 PM
Have people considered that one possible scenario for our failure in the transfer window is because the club could have been chasing after unattainable and unrealistic targets identified by Pulis? As he was able to call the shots in that regard, so it went on until time had almost run out. Then it became a question of salvaging something and perhaps then, near the end of the window, some other players were looked at that weren't Pulis's targets - "Tony, we've spoken to his club and we can get X for Y, are you interested?".

We don't yet know for sure, but just assuming that our transfer window failure was solely down to Williams, Hammond, Jenkins, Garlick or whoever is an easy assumption to make, but an assumption is all it is, the same as my scenario above. That scenario is certainly plausible though.

What you describe is a possibility, but it's likely that Pulis , Hammond, Garlick & John Williams/Jeremy Peace has agreed a series of targets that they felt they could get within the budget. The loans & low value guys that we did get we're probably identified as squad fillers, releasing the majority of the budget for the big hitters. I think Chadli was probably on the list, & Pulis had banked on getting Rodriguez on loan, so if the budget was circa £60 million, with the £13 million+ for Chadli & the £5 million+ for matty phillips, we probably had circa £30 million to spend on 2/3 decent players. In the event we got none.
Hammond/Garlick "We could have prepared better" statement was telling for me, we just didn't have a back-up plan. Who's to blame for that, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't exclude Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 11, 2016, 12:17:08 AM
Quote from: Barrington on September 10, 2016, 07:25:17 PM
Cool story, bro....

Care to elaborate bro?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 11, 2016, 12:20:53 AM
Quote from: shortybaggies on September 10, 2016, 10:03:55 PM
Absolutely ridiculous thing to say. Unbelievable.

Why? 1000's booing Berahino. DISGRACEFUL. Only scummy fans would do that. Anyone who does that is a sh** fan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 11, 2016, 12:28:27 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 11, 2016, 12:20:53 AM
Why? 1000's booing Berahino. DISGRACEFUL. Only scummy fans would do that. Anyone who does that is a sh** fan.


Very small minority booing Berahino, heard just as many singing songs about him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AdelaideBaggie on September 11, 2016, 12:50:05 AM
Whilst the football is not always as attractive as you hope for as a supporter, the reality is that survival is first and you build on that. Pulls has made us a difficult team to beat, good shape but lacking that creativity when on the counter. We're effectively a counter attacking team. The goals we have conceded this year have been very good goals (Premiership only) Everton and Wilson's goal today were quality. Apart from these we've looked relatively strong in defence. Upfront, we've suffered from the saga of Berahino and those whispering in his ears. That's only going to impact morale and trust amongst players. Fletcher, whilst a good leader and hard working, is just a yard off pace and goes back instead of forward. The two central midfielders need replacing, this is why Pulis is so annoyed.

If we'd have come away with a point today most fans would be happy, but we need to improve at home.

If Pulis goes, who? Hodgson? There's nobody else really. Is it worth disrupting shape and the quorum between now and New Year? We stand more chance of gaining points under Pulis in my opinion than say Hodgson. It takes time for a new coach to instil their ethos and during that time we risk points.

I believe it's politics at play. New chairman justifying his worth to new owners. Hammond flexing his muscles to see how far he can get and again justifying his role to the new owners. Hammond is also probably trying to influence signing again to say "look what I can do". The manager is always the one in the shooting line but I feel that the hierarchy needs to get itself in shape first until we see the changes on the field.

Wouldn't surprise me to see the new owners bring in someone else they know and trust to help behind the scenes.

Best thing for the team and manager right now is to avoid the negativity and for the supporters to get behind the team they love. The top level at the club will sort itself out sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 11, 2016, 12:56:34 AM
There is one thing that most are agreed on and something has to change soon. A lot of fans disgruntled, a manager who is not happy, players who aren't happy, new owners and chairman just coming in.
The whole club feels fragmented and at odds. We have been in worse spots (in terms of finances / league position and quality of players) but the mood at the moment feels worse than some of those times. We need someone to start leading and moving this thing forward whatever it takes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 11, 2016, 06:25:29 AM
 I don't see him here much after the take over is finalised.
Pulis still talks about the 'Chinese' rather than Mr Lai.
Respect is quite high on the Chinese agenda and since Tone seems to show little I would expect them to pick up on that.
He's either treating them with disdain or is more ignorant than I thought.
He still manages to refer to JP as Jeremy.
On the other hand he could just be building his exit strategy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 11, 2016, 08:04:18 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 11:11:58 PM
What you describe is a possibility, but it's likely that Pulis , Hammond, Garlick & John Williams/Jeremy Peace has agreed a series of targets that they felt they could get within the budget. The loans & low value guys that we did get we're probably identified as squad fillers, releasing the majority of the budget for the big hitters. I think Chadli was probably on the list, & Pulis had banked on getting Rodriguez on loan, so if the budget was circa £60 million, with the £13 million+ for Chadli & the £5 million+ for matty phillips, we probably had circa £30 million to spend on 2/3 decent players. In the event we got none.
Hammond/Garlick "We could have prepared better" statement was telling for me, we just didn't have a back-up plan. Who's to blame for that, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't exclude Pulis.
John those few words alone tell us how incompetent the club was in this transfer window, its like they all went on holiday and returned on the final day of the transfer window and ended up like shoppers in a closing down sale.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 11, 2016, 08:11:48 AM
Quote from: AdelaideBaggie on September 11, 2016, 12:50:05 AM
Whilst the football is not always as attractive as you hope for as a supporter, the reality is that survival is first and you build on that. Pulls has made us a difficult team to beat, good shape but lacking that creativity when on the counter. We're effectively a counter attacking team. The goals we have conceded this year have been very good goals (Premiership only) Everton and Wilson's goal today were quality. Apart from these we've looked relatively strong in defence. Upfront, we've suffered from the saga of Berahino and those whispering in his ears. That's only going to impact morale and trust amongst players. Fletcher, whilst a good leader and hard working, is just a yard off pace and goes back instead of forward. The two central midfielders need replacing, this is why Pulis is so annoyed.

If we'd have come away with a point today most fans would be happy, but we need to improve at home.

If Pulis goes, who? Hodgson? There's nobody else really. Is it worth disrupting shape and the quorum between now and New Year? We stand more chance of gaining points under Pulis in my opinion than say Hodgson. It takes time for a new coach to instil their ethos and during that time we risk points.

I believe it's politics at play. New chairman justifying his worth to new owners. Hammond flexing his muscles to see how far he can get and again justifying his role to the new owners. Hammond is also probably trying to influence signing again to say "look what I can do". The manager is always the one in the shooting line but I feel that the hierarchy needs to get itself in shape first until we see the changes on the field.

Wouldn't surprise me to see the new owners bring in someone else they know and trust to help behind the scenes.

Best thing for the team and manager right now is to avoid the negativity and for the supporters to get behind the team they love. The top level at the club will sort itself out sooner rather than later.

It is the shape of the team that is the problem in an attacking sense the players are not allowed to move out of certain pockets in case we lose possession. When we played Boro the ball came wide to Rondon he had 3 Boro players around him and not 1 Albion player within 20 yards to support him . That happens on a regular basis and is down to such a restrictive mentality .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 08:14:14 AM
Would it be ok if I blamed Pulis, for my bets not coming off?!!

Two five folds went down the pan when my bankers Barca and PSG decided not to bother 😐

Back to the Albion, the blame spreads over most people at the club, I can't see the takeover making a huge difference if I'm honest, hope I'm wrong.

Always find it a bit weird when folk think if you tried to play more exciting football you will disappear down the sh1tter never to be seen again if it didnt come off. And if we bought a few players we will soon become bankrupt.

I think it's possible to do stuff, and still be In a position where you don't have to shake a tin outside McDonald's for your dinner.

Have to say some of the guys that initially pointed out Pulis and "the Chinese" I thought they were being a wee bit PC at first, but I get it now, he does seem a tad disrespectful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 11, 2016, 08:32:53 AM

The squad is Pulis' now whether he admits it or not. If it's not as good as he wanted then he hasn't managed the club nor the transfer market well enough.

That team yesterday looked so flat and out of ideas it was untrue.

Only a great politician like Pulis could place blame for a rubbish performance and result at the hands of the club, its supporters and a striker who until he came had the potential to become an England regular.

Thanks for keeping us up for a bit Pulis but go now I'm fed up with your games and the poor poor football you've brought which isn't even getting results anymore looking at you last 15 games!

Time for someone with fresh ideas and energy. We need stability but not the mascocistic kind of stability Pulis would bring.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 08:34:02 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 11, 2016, 08:04:18 AM
John those few words alone tell us how incompetent the club was in this transfer window, its like they all went on holiday and returned on the final day of the transfer window and ended up like shoppers in a closing down sale.

Not sure "incompetent" is the right word, IMO we're seeing the consequences of a power struggle. I believe that's sorted now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 11, 2016, 08:40:53 AM
Time to go I'm afraid, I wanted him out in May but could see why he was given the final year of his contract, but for me his position has become untenable.

He has clearly fallen out with everyone at the club who is higher up the food chain than him, the fans detest him and I would be stunned if the players buy into his brand of "football".

Yesterday was the first time we heard Pulis Out chants, once that starts you're not coming back I'm afraid. I'll be surprised if Pulis is in the dugout next weekend especially with the takeover completing this week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 11, 2016, 08:55:26 AM
Sacking the manager should no way blind us from the real culprits for this mess.
Time and again we have failed to back a manager in the window and time and again the manager has paid the price.
Would Megson have done better with the players on his list? Would Pulis? These things we will never know, because the club has cleverly instilled the fear factor into the fans, making us believe we will crash and burn like Leeds and Pompey if we sign player who are not on a free or who have something the matter with them. Rather than looking at clubs like Southampton, Leicester and even Bournemouth.
Why turn down Sakho and then sign Kanu?

The cynic in me say's that we are deliberately being scuttled. What if Peaces jibe about us being a mid table championship club was in dead ernest, and this is where he plans on leaving us when he has pocketed the money?

I know some of you will scoff at this, but think about it. Where has the ambition ever been shown apart from announcing a profit?
Out of the cup early every season, struggling against relegation every season,apart from when we finished eighth and Peace said we might not enter Europe even if we qualify because it would cost a lot of money.
Where has ambition ever been shown at this club?

Tony Pulis may be one of the problems i accept, but he isn't the biggest problem as any manager would testify, had they not been gagged.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 09:05:05 AM
Quote from: divinewind on September 11, 2016, 08:55:26 AM
Sacking the manager should no way blind us from the real culprits for this mess.
Time and again we have failed to back a manager in the window and time and again the manager has paid the price.
Would Megson have done better with the players on his list? Would Pulis? These things we will never know, because the club has cleverly instilled the fear factor into the fans, making us believe we will crash and burn like Leeds and Pompey if we sign player who are not on a free or who have something the matter with them. Rather than looking at clubs like Southampton, Leicester and even Bournemouth.
Why turn down Sakho and then sign Kanu?

The cynic in me say's that we are deliberately being scuttled. What if Peaces jibe about us being a mid table championship club was in dead ernest, and this is where he plans on leaving us when he has pocketed the money?

I know some of you will scoff at this, but think about it. Where has the ambition ever been shown apart from announcing a profit?
Out of the cup early every season, struggling against relegation every season,apart from when we finished eighth and Peace said we might not enter Europe even if we qualify because it would cost a lot of money.
Where has ambition ever been shown at this club?

Tony Pulis may be one of the problems i accept, but he isn't the biggest problem as any manager would testify, had they not been gagged.

1 million % agree with you mate.

We seem to believe that ambition equals living in a cardboard box.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 11, 2016, 09:07:06 AM
Quote from: divinewind on September 11, 2016, 08:55:26 AM
Sacking the manager should no way blind us from the real culprits for this mess.
Time and again we have failed to back a manager in the window and time and again the manager has paid the price.
Would Megson have done better with the players on his list? Would Pulis? These things we will never know, because the club has cleverly instilled the fear factor into the fans, making us believe we will crash and burn like Leeds and Pompey if we sign player who are not on a free or who have something the matter with them. Rather than looking at clubs like Southampton, Leicester and even Bournemouth.
Why turn down Sakho and then sign Kanu?

The cynic in me say's that we are deliberately being scuttled. What if Peaces jibe about us being a mid table championship club was in dead ernest, and this is where he plans on leaving us when he has pocketed the money?

I know some of you will scoff at this, but think about it. Where has the ambition ever been shown apart from announcing a profit?
Out of the cup early every season, struggling against relegation every season,apart from when we finished eighth and Peace said we might not enter Europe even if we qualify because it would cost a lot of money.
Where has ambition ever been shown at this club?

Tony Pulis may be one of the problems i accept, but he isn't the biggest problem as any manager would testify, had they not been gagged.

Can't disagree with any of that and I stated yesterday I wanted Peace and Jenkins (his faithful penny pinching, zero ambition side-kick) out no sooner Lai had got the keys to the kingdom.
We need that new broom to sweep in and show some ambition to move this stumbling club on before we slide into the abyss that the Championship is.
However, we also need Pulis to go at the same time as his division with the fans (and probably the likes of Williams and Hammond) has now gone beyond redeeming and each home non-performance will get increasingly fractious - and that's now even down to the hardcore who are still turning up home and away.
Many loyal fans have not renewed or stopped going or, maybe the biggest concern, lost interest in the tedium of it all. The performances at home in the last year or so haven't even been able to be justified by 'means to getting the results' because the results have been appalling as well as the games ! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 09:13:58 AM
I'm ambitious, I would love a Masserarti Quattroporte, but they're about £80,000 to buy, £2500 a year to maintain & a mortgage to insure,so I can't afford one.

What part of "we have to live within our means" don't you guys understand?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 09:17:02 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 09:13:58 AM
I'm ambitious, I would love a Masserarti Quattroporte, but they're about £80,000 to buy, £2500 a year to maintain & a mortgage to insure,so I can't afford one.

What part of "we have to live within our means" don't you guys understand?

What?

Have you been sniffing the beer mats already John?

Who said anything about spending more than what we can afford?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 09:17:02 AM
What?

Have you been sniffing the beer mats already John?

Who said anything about spending more than what we can afford?

OK I'll buy it. How do you know we spent less than we could afford, anymore than I know, that we spent the same as we could afford?
and why do you always have to start off your arguments with a cynical comment?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 11, 2016, 09:25:52 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 09:22:07 AM
OK I'll buy it. How do you know we spent less than we could afford, anymore than I know, that we spent the same as we could afford?
and why do you always have to start off your arguments with a cynical comment?
If the new owners want to build upon their acquisition there is also such a thing as investment - like other owners do !

The stadium etc could attract such extra investment leaving more cash around the football side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: shortybaggies on September 11, 2016, 09:35:31 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 11, 2016, 12:20:53 AM
Why? 1000's booing Berahino. DISGRACEFUL. Only scummy fans would do that. Anyone who does that is a sh** fan.

How can you be a pooh fan for having an opinion? Berahino has turned his back on the club and hasn't put any effort in for months. I don't boo but I see why people do. Suppose you just want us all to stand in the Halfords and clap every single thing, no matter how poor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 09:36:02 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 09:22:07 AM
OK I'll buy it. How do you know we spent less than we could afford, anymore than I know, that we spent the same as we could afford?
and why do you always have to start off your arguments with a cynical comment?

I'm sorry John,

What happened to your table and £15 million quid left on it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 09:36:49 AM
Quote from: AlbionBest on September 11, 2016, 09:25:52 AM
If the new owners want to build upon their acquisition there is also such a thing as investment - like other owners do !

The stadium etc could attract such extra investment leaving more cash around the football side.

Agree 100% with that, & I think that's what we're all hoping, that Mr Lai's acquisition of the football club will take us to another level.

At the moment, we're in a period of transition, but what benefit would either buyer or seller get, by not spending budgeted cash on players who are the very core of the football club?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 09:39:19 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 09:36:02 AM
I'm sorry John,

What happened to your table and £15 million quid left on it?

Answer the question Jim, in fact answer both questions Jim

Quote
OK I'll buy it. How do you know we spent less than we could afford, anymore than I know, that we spent the same as we could afford?
and why do you always have to start off your arguments with a cynical comment?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 11, 2016, 09:40:59 AM
I have just seen the TP post match press conference which says it all really. As others have mentioned he refers to 'the chinese' takeover being completed next week, and the fact that his remit was to keep the club in the premierships whilst making profits.......

Standing there with his hands in his pockets speaks volumes, he knows whats coming and I have a funny idea he will be gone next week.

I do have sympathy for him TBH, wasn't backed in the transfer window and the men in the suits 'dilly dally' around whilst we become the laughing stock of the Premiership. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 11, 2016, 09:43:43 AM
Having read this thread I am surprised that 'Jim and John' were not on the Kell Brook undercard last night!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 09:39:19 AM
Answer the question Jim, in fact answer both questions Jim

I don't start every post with a cynical comment, I seem to do it a lot when I answer your posts, probably because I have no clue what you are talking about.

You said what part of living within your means don't you guys get?

I said who said anything about spending more than we can afford?

Your reply to that had nothing whatsoever do do with what I asked!!!

You thought we had £15M left on the table, are you now saying we didn't?


To me your replys are just random if I asked you for the time you would reply steak and chips!!

It's probably me being stupid, but I really, genuinely don't follow you.

If I appear to be rude I apologise it isn't my intention.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elminius on September 11, 2016, 09:52:03 AM
Have tried to digest all the thread so not sure if this has been mentioned - considering his comments yesterday about he has done what he was bought in to do anyone think he is on a bonus to see us through to sale completion, written in his contract by JP? and then thank you very much goodbye.............
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 11, 2016, 09:59:36 AM
Quote from: elminius on September 11, 2016, 09:52:03 AM
Have tried to digest all the thread so not sure if this has been mentioned - considering his comments yesterday about he has done what he was bought in to do anyone think he is on a bonus to see us through to sale completion, written in his contract by JP? and then thank you very much goodbye.............

You are probably not too far from the truth there. He is waiting to be sacked......he gets a pay off and a nice holiday until another club comes calling.....

Nice life really when you think about it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on September 11, 2016, 10:06:23 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 09:39:19 AM
Answer the question Jim, in fact answer both questions Jim

You're really not helping yourself by making totally unrelated and irrelevant questions/comments. I can't see anyone in here saying we shouldn't live within our means. Have you got the wrong thread?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 09:47:14 AM
I don't start every post with a cynical comment, I seem to do it a lot when I answer your posts, probably because I have no clue what you are talking about.

You said what part of living within your means don't you guys get?

I said who said anything about spending more than we can afford?

Your reply to that had nothing whatsoever do do with what I asked!!!

You thought we had £15M left on the table, are you now saying we didn't?


To me your replys are just random if I asked you for the time you would reply steak and chips!!

It's probably me being stupid, but I really, genuinely don't follow you.

If I appear to be rude I apologise it isn't my intention.

Perhaps it's better if you don't respond to my posts then Jim.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 11, 2016, 10:09:10 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 11, 2016, 09:59:36 AM
You are probably not too far from the truth there. He is waiting to be sacked......he gets a pay off and a nice holiday until another club comes calling.....

Nice life really when you think about it.
Most importantly 'Brand Pulis' remains unblemished that way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: blue on September 11, 2016, 10:12:30 AM
Quote from: elminius on September 11, 2016, 09:52:03 AM
Have tried to digest all the thread so not sure if this has been mentioned - considering his comments yesterday about he has done what he was bought in to do anyone think he is on a bonus to see us through to sale completion, written in his contract by JP? and then thank you very much goodbye.............
Pulis has been thinking and talking long term though.
He obviously had transfer targets and keeps banging on about what he wants to do with the club if he can make the changes he wants.
I get the feeling one of the selling points was that we have a manager who doesn't get relegated.
I want him gone more than anything,. A club with him having more control doesn't bare thinking about.
Hopefully now the fans have started voicing their opinion its become untenable otherwise the matches will be toxic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
Perhaps it's better if you don't respond to my posts then Jim.

Would it be ok to reply to your posts of I agree with you?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 10:14:37 AM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on September 11, 2016, 10:06:23 AM
You're really not helping yourself by making totally unrelated and irrelevant questions/comments. I can't see anyone in here saying we shouldn't live within our means. Have you got the wrong thread?

Nick, I was responding to Divinewind & a number of others who claimed that our owners lack ambition.
I have mentioned to the mods, that the way the topics are laid out, it's quite difficult to follow a conversation.
I don't seem to have too many problems having conversations with other posters
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 10:15:33 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 10:14:10 AM
Would it be ok to reply to your posts of I agree with you?

Entirely your decision Jim.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 11, 2016, 10:17:48 AM
I am fairly sure Pulis wants a pay off and to be gone with a view to doing another rescue job around Christmas nice bonus for keeping that team up and repeat.

 However I am not sure that the next club will come calling. Football is changing and fewer clubs will give Pulis the sort of control that he demands. The other issue is his tenure at any club will always end this way, fans split arguments over transfers and absolutely awful football. Pulis is looking increasingly like yesterday's man
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 11, 2016, 10:18:05 AM
Quote from: Dexy on September 11, 2016, 10:09:10 AM
Most importantly 'Brand Pulis' remains unblemished that way.

and there is not a lot wrong with that really is there? He has the ability to do what many managers cannot do, galvanise a team and keep them in the division. There will be no shortage of takers for his specialist skills after Christmas. We have benefited from his services but now its time to go our separate ways.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 10:20:24 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 10:15:33 AM
Entirely your decision Jim.

Thanks for that mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 11, 2016, 10:33:59 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 11, 2016, 10:18:05 AM
and there is not a lot wrong with that really is there? He has the ability to do what many managers cannot do, galvanise a team and keep them in the division. There will be no shortage of takers for his specialist skills after Christmas. We have benefited from his services but now its time to go our separate ways.

I'm not sure bottom half teams that might be in trouble at Christmas

Hull probably not under the current owners
Burnley Don't think they will sack Dyche unless things are beyond hopeless
Sunderland think they will sink or swim with Moyes
Boro Karanka might not survive the season but  Karanka is a defensive coach anyway so 'Boro won't fail in the area that Pulis can improve
Watford Probably not ownership happy to change a manager but control issues
Swansea Maybe but although  Guidolin is a lot more pragmatic than previous managers Pulis doesn't look like a good fit
Stoke and Palace No for obvious reasons.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 11, 2016, 10:50:16 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 11, 2016, 10:18:05 AM
and there is not a lot wrong with that really is there? He has the ability to do what many managers cannot do, galvanise a team and keep them in the division. There will be no shortage of takers for his specialist skills after Christmas. We have benefited from his services but now its time to go our separate ways.
No your quite right , theres nobody better when your in desperate trouble.
I actually quite like him , he comes over very well in the press and a lot of things he says about our club are very true.
What I dont like is saying the right things then turning up yet another poor , negative performance with little intention of attacking.
Id love him to improve performances and shake hands at the end of a season after keeping us up but I can't see it , when the away support turns you know theres not much time left.
Just to add theres a lot more wrong with this club than Pulis , hoping for a new broom in the days to come,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on September 11, 2016, 11:04:52 AM
Heres a fairly unpleasant thought....the new owners may know virtually nothing about running a football club and have already agreed to continuity with the existing regime for at least this season. JP my have already put in place the budget for the Christmas window (ie nothing)....... :o

TP could be here for the whole season (as planned) and it would have to be the new chairman to call it a day and find a new replacement.

I'm not convinced we are going to see any immediate changes when ownership transfers this week
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: andibaggy on September 11, 2016, 11:05:32 AM
My cousin met with Williams at the Hawthorns after kicking off and demanding a refund for his and his sons season ticket.

A lot was said about Pulis without anything being said directly by the club, he left the meeting with a good insight as to how the club view Pulis and the relationship is sour at best.

One thing discussed was money, we are not short of money but seeing eye to eye on how the money is spent is the issue.

Must take my hat off to how the club handled it, my cousin is a strong minded lad and it was nice that he was looked after by the club rather than having the door slammed in his face.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: petjob on September 11, 2016, 11:06:47 AM
One win in sixteen and people still saying Pulis is the man to keep us up.
What a joke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 11:07:17 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 10:14:37 AM
Nick, I was responding to Divinewind & a number of others who claimed that our owners lack ambition.
I have mentioned to the mods, that the way the topics are laid out, it's quite difficult to follow a conversation.
I don't seem to have too many problems having conversations with other posters

It's not hard at all to follow converstions and other people's views.

It only becomes an issue when all you are interested in is your own viewpoint.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 11, 2016, 11:28:08 AM
I still think we would/will keep us up this season, but it has become so much more than that, I just cannot accept the means to that end any longer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 11, 2016, 11:35:03 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 11, 2016, 06:25:29 AM
I don't see him here much after the take over is finalised.
Pulis still talks about the 'Chinese' rather than Mr Lai.
Respect is quite high on the Chinese agenda and since Tone seems to show little I would expect them to pick up on that.
He's either treating them with disdain or is more ignorant than I thought.
He still manages to refer to JP as Jeremy.
On the other hand he could just be building his exit strategy.

Probably just ignorant and with little perception of other countries culture as well as having a thick skin and no empathy either with players, or supporters.

The constant use of "this club" rather than the Baggies, West Brom or even Albion shows little buy in to the club, its traditions and respect for his employer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on September 11, 2016, 11:51:27 AM
Really think he'll be gone this week . When you think of it  when the take over is done  who in the right mind  is going to give  an out going manager a transfer pot . He didn't want the player who have come in. Think it will be  an interim manager (Roy Hodson ) to work with what we've got till the next window keep us in the prem or If we can get our main managerial target in whoever the new owners want ,but all in all with how he's conducting himself in the media and at press conferences I personally think he knows his time is up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 11, 2016, 11:57:03 AM
Quote from: charlebaggie on September 11, 2016, 11:51:27 AM
Really think he'll be gone this week . When you think of it  when the take over is done  who in the right mind  is going to give  an out going manager a transfer pot . He didn't want the player who have come in. Think it will be  an interim manager (Roy Hodson ) to work with what we've got till the next window keep us in the prem or If we can get our main managerial target in whoever the new owners want ,but all in all with how he's conducting himself in the media and at press conferences I personally think he knows his time is up

Would be fine by me. Pulis needs to go, but we also need a manager who can keep this woefully assembled squad up this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 11, 2016, 12:12:56 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on September 11, 2016, 11:28:08 AM
I still think we would/will keep us up this season, but it has become so much more than that, I just cannot accept the means to that end any longer.
I disagree, I think his reign here is similar to Paul Lambert's at the Villa, where year on year his points total has slowly but surely gone down.

I've never cared so much about Pulis's style even when most hated it, as long as it got results. In his first half-season he was very good at this, and had us playing semi-decent football at times, keeping clean sheets and nicking goals (from open play may I add). Last season was a slight decline on this, a few less clean sheets then a horrible end results wise, and since then I feel we've continued this season facing relatively easy sides compared to the likes of other opening fixtures.

So overall I no-longer feel he can keep us up, whereas for the previous 2 seasons I think he was fine at his job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 11, 2016, 12:12:56 PM
I disagree, I think his reign here is similar to Paul Lambert's at the Villa, where year on year his points total has slowly but surely gone down.

I've never cared so much about Pulis's style even when most hated it, as long as it got results. In his first half-season he was very good at this, and had us playing semi-decent football at times, keeping clean sheets and nicking goals (from open play may I add). Last season was a slight decline on this, a few less clean sheets then a horrible end results wise, and since then I feel we've continued this season facing relatively easy sides compared to the likes of other opening fixtures.

So overall I no-longer feel he can keep us up, whereas for the previous 2 seasons I think he was fine at his job.

I think you've nailed it there WBArgo.

If TP's player selection is restrictive, it follows that his tactics & training sessions are also restrictive & probably boring. I'm not suggesting they don't do things with the ball, because it would seem nonsensical to do that, when the game is all about a ball, but if it's drill after drill then you can see why the players are not responding.
There needs to be a degree of lightening up, to make training fun, then we'll see the same on the pitch on matchdays. I can't remember the last time I saw one of our players laughing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Plastic Paddy on September 11, 2016, 12:51:31 PM
Following the criticism from fans aimed at TP during/after yesterday's game he said the following: -

But Albion's head coach, who was disappointed with the club's business in the summer transfer window, says he's done everything outgoing chairman Jeremy Peace asked of him, and on a budget too.

"I’ve been here 20 months and my remit 20 months ago - and Jeremy has always been honest and straight with me - he wanted to sell the football club," said Pulis.

"The club has, for two years or the two ends of the season, made a profit. We’ve finished 13th and 14th. That was my remit.

"There’s clubs underneath us who have not made profits. There are actually big clubs that have been relegated with massive debt.

"The remit was to keep the club in the Premier League while making profits and that’s what we’ve done."


http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/09/10/tony-pulis-tells-west-brom-fans-ive-done-the-job-thats-been-asked-of-me/?

It is the last sentence in particular that proves to me he is a manager who will never change. The "remit" of safety last season was achieved with a number of games remaining, however his philosophy never changed. The sole objective was first and foremost not to lose (rather than try to win) and the same philosophy has continued into this season.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saltnshake on September 11, 2016, 12:55:56 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 12:22:14 PM
I think you've nailed it there WBArgo.

If TP's player selection is restrictive, it follows that his tactics & training sessions are also restrictive & probably boring. I'm not suggesting they don't do things with the ball, because it would seem nonsensical to do that, when the game is all about a ball, but if it's drill after drill then you can see why the players are not responding.
There needs to be a degree of lightening up, to make training fun, then we'll see the same on the pitch on matchdays. I can't remember the last time I saw one of our players laughing.
By all accounts Alan Irvine's training sessions were good and he was a great coach and the players had a laugh at the end of the day if the players aren't  god enough it doesn't really matter how you train or what system you use.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 01:06:08 PM
Quote from: saltnshake on September 11, 2016, 12:55:56 PM
By all accounts Alan Irvine's training sessions were good and he was a great coach and the players had a laugh at the end of the day if the players aren't  god enough it doesn't really matter how you train or what system you use.

The only thing lacking in Alan Irvine's CV was charisma, the same with his soul buddy, Terry Burton, technically both were gifted, but neither would have inspired me, & by going over the same thing over & over again, eventually neither would Pulis.
Inspiration is a wonderful tool, that's why we struggle in the cups, the underdogs are inspired, we're not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on September 11, 2016, 01:16:54 PM
Hasn't he gone yet?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 11, 2016, 01:17:34 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 12:22:14 PM
I think you've nailed it there WBArgo.

If TP's player selection is restrictive, it follows that his tactics & training sessions are also restrictive & probably boring. I'm not suggesting they don't do things with the ball, because it would seem nonsensical to do that, when the game is all about a ball, but if it's drill after drill then you can see why the players are not responding.
There needs to be a degree of lightening up, to make training fun, then we'll see the same on the pitch on matchdays. I can't remember the last time I saw one of our players laughing.
Agreed  there is no personality whatsoever
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 11, 2016, 01:24:21 PM
Quote from: Standaman on September 11, 2016, 10:17:48 AM
I am fairly sure Pulis wants a pay off and to be gone with a view to doing another rescue job around Christmas nice bonus for keeping that team up and repeat.

 However I am not sure that the next club will come calling. Football is changing and fewer clubs will give Pulis the sort of control that he demands. The other issue is his tenure at any club will always end this way, fans split arguments over transfers and absolutely awful football. Pulis is looking increasingly like yesterday's man

I'm not sure I agree although I hear what you're saying.

Such is the money involved nowadays, the second a football club is seriously looking in the brown stuff, as we were under Irvine, then someone will always come calling to Pulis to perform his fire-fighting methods. Be they 'consolidated' Premier League sides or new recent arrivals from the championship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 11, 2016, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 11, 2016, 01:24:21 PM
I'm not sure I agree although I hear what you're saying.

Such is the money involved nowadays, the second a football club is seriously looking in the brown stuff, as we were under Irvine, then someone will always come calling to Pulis to perform his fire-fighting methods. Be they 'consolidated' Premier League sides or new recent arrivals from the championship.

I just think TP is running out of customers certainly in the short term I'm not sure any Premier League team would take him on. Obviously the looming threat of relegation tends make boardrooms very pragmatic not to say desperate but he has worn out his welcome at 3 clubs, would never be considered an option by half of the league although it is the half that doesn't need to worry about relegation too much. Of the rest there are factors that make bringing in Pulis unlikely.

However one way or the other I feel we are about to put this theory to the test.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 11, 2016, 01:37:34 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 01:06:08 PM
The only thing lacking in Alan Irvine's CV was charisma, the same with his soul buddy, Terry Burton, technically both were gifted, but neither would have inspired me, & by going over the same thing over & over again, eventually neither would Pulis.
Inspiration is a wonderful tool, that's why we struggle in the cups, the underdogs are inspired, we're not.
Good point John.
You know reading that I thought of the times I met "Big Ron" a very inspiring fellow!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 11, 2016, 01:41:45 PM
Quote from: andibaggy on September 11, 2016, 11:05:32 AM
My cousin met with Williams at the Hawthorns after kicking off and demanding a refund for his and his sons season ticket.

A lot was said about Pulis without anything being said directly by the club, he left the meeting with a good insight as to how the club view Pulis and the relationship is sour at best.

One thing discussed was money, we are not short of money but seeing eye to eye on how the money is spent is the issue.

Must take my hat off to how the club handled it, my cousin is a strong minded lad and it was nice that he was looked after by the club rather than having the door slammed in his face.
So why don't they sack him then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 11, 2016, 02:11:37 PM
Quote from: Standaman on September 11, 2016, 01:36:54 PM
I just think TP is running out of customers certainly in the short term I'm not sure any Premier League team would take him on. Obviously the looming threat of relegation tends make boardrooms very pragmatic not to say desperate but he has worn out his welcome at 3 clubs, would never be considered an option by half of the league although it is the half that doesn't need to worry about relegation too much. Of the rest there are factors that make bringing in Pulis unlikely.

However one way or the other I feel we are about to put this theory to the test.

Would be funny if Stoke came knocking again if they are still bottom in a month's time after spending lots of cash
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 11, 2016, 02:33:29 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 11, 2016, 02:11:37 PM
Would be funny if Stoke came knocking again if they are still bottom in a month's time after spending lots of cash

While Pulis glosses over his departure and has nothing but kind words for Coates I think bridges were burnt there and while Stoke Lad would happy as Potter in clay I'm not sure Corberan's return would be welcomed across the board. Although a few more 4:0 thrashings might cause a collective rethink. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 11, 2016, 02:37:16 PM
Quote from: bry on September 11, 2016, 01:41:45 PM
So why don't they sack him then?

Paralysed by fear?

No plan b?

Who knows ?

Many of us said if we didn't back him or sack in the summer this would happen. Every week, Pulis builds up his achievements , he slags off the squad he's built and is in charge of. On the other side, the fans are more and more against Pulis every week. Actually the board are getting away with it at the moment a bit because Pulis is so mouthy which I think is winding us all up even more.

We're reaping what we've sown and the squad will be in a kind of 'purgatory' one way or another til January now!

Embarrassing way to run a club - a bit like the board we had during he wilderness years at the moment ......

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 11, 2016, 02:57:30 PM
I think the answer to why he hasn't been sacked is at least in part because the new owner isn't in place officially and until they are they cannot have a direct say in running the club, I think the Premier League/FA are quite strict on that. It is way too big of a decision to be made without direct ownership level approval particularly given the whole business as usual steady as we go rhetoric.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 11, 2016, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: Standaman on September 11, 2016, 02:57:30 PM
I think the answer to why he hasn't been sacked is at least in part because the new owner isn't in place officially and until they are they cannot have a direct say in running the club, I think the Premier League/FA are quite strict on that. It is way too big of a decision to be made without direct ownership level approval particularly given the whole business as usual steady as we go rhetoric.

I agree, I have no doubt that within 2 weeks of the new owners taking over he will be gone.

Tony Pulis suited/ suits the Jeremy Peace era down to the ground.

I thank them both for what they have done but please move on your time is up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 03:04:18 PM
Thing about coaches is they seem to be regarded as cheap options rightly or wrongly.

Paul Clement for example seems to be A1 at clubs like Madrid, Chelsea, PSG and now Bayern; but Derby seemed to think he wasnt up to scratch.

Irvine and Clarke to my knowledge are/were very well thought of for their coaching ability, but for whatever reason when it's lights camera action they couldn't perform.

You could argue they didn't have 100% backing from the guys in charge, but neither has Pulis.

But Pulis can get enough of a tune out of pots and pans, even though it stinks the place out.


(Before anybody says it Pulis hasn't been backed 100% by the board, cause if he had of been a statement would have been released ages ago from the club saying "We backed the manager but we had to let him go because,,,,"

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 11, 2016, 03:11:14 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 03:04:18 PM
Thing about coaches is they seem to be regarded as cheap options rightly or wrongly.

Paul Clement for example seems to be A1 at clubs like Madrid, Chelsea, PSG and now Bayern; but Derby seemed to think he wasnt up to scratch.

Irvine and Clarke to my knowledge are/were very well thought of for their coaching ability, but for whatever reason when it's lights camera action they couldn't perform.

You could argue they didn't have 100% backing from the guys in charge, but neither has Pulis.

But Pulis can get enough of a tune out of pots and pans, even though it stinks the place out.

Didn't Clement get sacked for being too ambitious in trying to strengthen on the January window for a promotion push?  The Derby board "weren't ready yet" for promotion.  After he was sacked they ended up reaching the playoffs anyway!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 03:16:33 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 11, 2016, 03:11:14 PM
Didn't Clement get sacked for being too ambitious in trying to strengthen on the January window for a promotion push?  The Derby board "weren't ready yet" for promotion.  After he was sacked they ended up reaching the playoffs anyway!

Sounds familiar!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 11, 2016, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on September 11, 2016, 03:11:14 PM
Didn't Clement get sacked for being too ambitious in trying to strengthen on the January window for a promotion push?  The Derby board "weren't ready yet" for promotion.  After he was sacked they ended up reaching the playoffs anyway!

 ;D  ;D
I heard from a couple of Derby mates he was allegedly a bit too ambitious but nothing to do with football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 11, 2016, 03:57:17 PM
;D  ;D
I heard from a couple of Derby mates he was allegedly a bit too ambitious but nothing to do with football.

I see said the blind man!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on September 11, 2016, 04:22:20 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 04:18:48 PM
I see said the blind man!!


I don't understand.

Am I being thick?  :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 11, 2016, 05:58:31 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 01:06:08 PM
The only thing lacking in Alan Irvine's CV was charisma, the same with his soul buddy, Terry Burton, technically both were gifted, but neither would have inspired me, & by going over the same thing over & over again, eventually neither would Pulis.
Inspiration is a wonderful tool, that's why we struggle in the cups, the underdogs are inspired, we're not.

I would argue the other thing lacking in Irvine's CV was being a good manager somewhere else. There was a shock when he was appointed because he hadn't done anything of note anywhere else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 06:19:06 PM
Quote from: Atomic on September 11, 2016, 04:22:20 PM

I don't understand.

Am I being thick?  :(

I don't think so mate, all I was saying is even somebody like me that was blind to stuff around suddenly became slightly clearer once explained.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on September 11, 2016, 06:44:15 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 11, 2016, 05:58:31 PM
I would argue the other thing lacking in Irvine's CV was being a good manager somewhere else. There was a shock when he was appointed because he hadn't done anything of note anywhere else.

Correct! Nice guy but should never have been given the job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 11, 2016, 08:30:36 PM
Pulis comments re Irvine were very disrespectful to the fans.

Interesting how Pulis didn't compare the style of play to previous years under Hodgson or Clarke for example where we had a solid but very direct counter attacking team. To say we like tippy tally football is very rude. We are West Brom not bloody Barcelona and we know it.

I must admit even under Megson and Robson I was more entertained than under Pulis . He seems to actually coach ability and fun out of players!!!

Now he can't even get results either he really is finished.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on September 11, 2016, 08:54:35 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-8813365

This reads like he's seeing and raising to the pot limit: back me or sack me, "chinese".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on September 11, 2016, 08:54:35 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-8813365

This reads like he's seeing and raising to the pot limit: back me or sack me, "chinese".

Quite clever in his swipe at Peace, "Jeremy has always been very honest with me,,,,"

Good start, then basically said but it's all about the money.

But I suppose he's right in the sense he was bought into the club to keep us up.

Had a mooch on Twitter a bit ago, the Bouremouth fans couldn't believe how shyte we are, I'm sure some of them would've refunded the lads and lasses that went if they could've.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: blue on September 11, 2016, 09:15:05 PM
He has now tried to take the pi££ out of the fans saying Irvine's tippy tappy stuff got moaned at.
He is pushing all the buttons to get the sack and come out smelling of roses.
It is now untenable and with 1 win in 15 their must be some really good reason why he hasn't been sacked that the supporters are unaware of.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 11, 2016, 09:17:49 PM
He's right with his Irvine comments, we did play good football. Irvine's last game against Stoke we were the better team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 11, 2016, 09:17:55 PM
Quote from: blue on September 11, 2016, 09:15:05 PM
He has now tried to take the pi££ out of the fans saying Irvine's tippy tappy stuff got moaned at.
He is pushing all the buttons to get the sack and come out smelling of roses.
It is now untenable and with 1 win in 15 their must be some really good reason why he hasn't been sacked that the supporters are unaware of.

Because the out-going chairman doesn't want the hassle and potentially ruining his sale.

The next few weeks will be interesting when "the Chinese" take over. I'm not as hopeful that Pulis will be gone as some are though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 11, 2016, 09:18:19 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 11, 2016, 09:17:49 PM
He's right with his Irvine comments, we did play good football. Irvine's last game against Stoke we were the better team.

Stop it.

We're not going there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 11, 2016, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: blue on September 11, 2016, 09:15:05 PM
He has now tried to take the pi££ out of the fans saying Irvine's tippy tappy stuff got moaned at.
He is pushing all the buttons to get the sack and come out smelling of roses.
It is now untenable and with 1 win in 15 their must be some really good reason why he hasn't been sacked that the supporters are unaware of.

Because 11 of those matches didn't really matter in the staying up and making a profit scheme of things, it's one win in four.

Quote from: Legend on September 11, 2016, 09:17:49 PM
He's right with his Irvine comments, we did play good football. Irvine's last game against Stoke we were the better team.

 :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

You're mental!!  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Uncle Peter on September 11, 2016, 09:24:58 PM
I don't get to watch us play very often but I remember watching us play Man Ure under Irvine when they scored late on to draw 2-2. We played some fabulous football that match.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 11, 2016, 09:27:19 PM
Also lads you're all missing the point, the run of one win in 14 or 15 games really has very little to do with Pulis, it does correlate almost exactly however to a serious injury to our best player Chris Brunt  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 11, 2016, 09:33:37 PM
Would we exchange Pulis for Irvine if given the chance?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on September 11, 2016, 09:35:01 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 11, 2016, 09:20:14 PM
Because 11 of those matches didn't really matter in the staying up and making a profit scheme of things, it's one win in four.

They didn't matter? Firstly, if he isn't able to motivate the players then clearly he's not very good at his job, seeing as that is a major part of it. If he wasn't motivated himself then I don't really know what to say. Secondly, they matter to the profit line. Each place last season was worth how much? £1.5-2m, something like that? 3 additional wins from those 11 games would have seen us finish 5 places higher, that's a lot of money. Thirdly, every single game counts to us because we're football fans, we want to see our team win not simply make a profit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 11, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on September 11, 2016, 09:17:55 PM
Because the out-going chairman doesn't want the hassle and potentially ruining his sale.

The next few weeks will be interesting when "the Chinese" take over. I'm not as hopeful that Pulis will be gone as some are though

If it was something obvious like assault or fraud, sacking could be straight forward, We don't really know what went on on deadline day,& If, as Pulis claims, he met his remit to keep our PL status & in profit, the club couldn't dismiss him for poor performance.
So if it's to be a parting of the ways, the club has to come to some arrangement with him on compensation. Peace has always been pretty hardball on that, whether Mr Lai will be any different remains to be seen,
I'm not sure what the legal position is during this transition period, once Mr Lai has control, I expect things to become clearer, but it's pretty obvious that TP doesn't see his long term future here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 11, 2016, 10:09:27 PM
Quote from: wbawill on September 11, 2016, 09:35:01 PM
They didn't matter? Firstly, if he isn't able to motivate the players then clearly he's not very good at his job, seeing as that is a major part of it. If he wasn't motivated himself then I don't really know what to say. Secondly, they matter to the profit line. Each place last season was worth how much? £1.5-2m, something like that? 3 additional wins from those 11 games would have seen us finish 5 places higher, that's a lot of money. Thirdly, every single game counts to us because we're football fans, we want to see our team win not simply make a profit.
I was going to make the same points, but am glad to see that someone has already done so - excellent post. That extra money could have allowed us to do more during the transfer window.

As far as the fans are concerned, those paying to watch us play deserved much better for the money they were spending. Despite us being safe, Pulis approached those games in exactly the same manner as he did the rest of the season when there was no justification for it at all, and it didn't even bring results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 11, 2016, 10:33:07 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 11, 2016, 03:04:18 PM
Thing about coaches is they seem to be regarded as cheap options rightly or wrongly.

Paul Clement for example seems to be A1 at clubs like Madrid, Chelsea, PSG and now Bayern; but Derby seemed to think he wasnt up to scratch.

Irvine and Clarke to my knowledge are/were very well thought of for their coaching ability, but for whatever reason when it's lights camera action they couldn't perform.

You could argue they didn't have 100% backing from the guys in charge, but neither has Pulis.

But Pulis can get enough of a tune out of pots and pans, even though it stinks the place out.


(Before anybody says it Pulis hasn't been backed 100% by the board, cause if he had of been a statement would have been released ages ago from the club saying "We backed the manager but we had to let him go because,,,,"
All Albion fans love Clarke.......for the job he's currently doing, just waiting on them bidding 8m a piece for Scott Darton and Paul Groves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 11, 2016, 11:42:07 PM
We lost to Villa twice in a week, have we forgotten that!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 11, 2016, 11:46:58 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 11, 2016, 11:42:07 PM
We lost to Villa twice in a week, have we forgotten that!

Not a good week, but where are they now under the good doctor?

But I feel your pain.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 12, 2016, 12:59:54 AM
Quote from: darbolina on September 11, 2016, 08:30:36 PM
Pulis comments re Irvine were very disrespectful to the fans.

Interesting how Pulis didn't compare the style of play to previous years under Hodgson or Clarke for example where we had a solid but very direct counter attacking team. To say we like tippy tally football is very rude. We are West Brom not bloody Barcelona and we know it.

I must admit even under Megson and Robson I was more entertained than under Pulis . He seems to actually coach ability and fun out of players!!!

Now he can't even get results either he really is finished.

There is no seem about it, it is what Pulis does. He only knows Pulisball, that is his one trick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 12, 2016, 01:01:06 AM
If the Chinese fully take over in the next two weeks, Pulis will almost certainly be sacked by the end of October.

We may even see an upturn in results as Pulis will be forced to seek positive results in the coming weeks. Being sacked with a recent record of 1 or 2 wins in 17/18/19 will not help his chances of being hired again in the Prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 12, 2016, 06:12:50 AM
I thought it was rather telling that TP told the press the takeover would be completed this week yet as usual silence from the hierarchy which we come to expect now. Of course TP may have his own reasons for making the comment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 12, 2016, 06:31:44 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on September 12, 2016, 06:12:50 AM
I thought it was rather telling that TP told the press the takeover would be completed this week yet as usual silence from the hierarchy which we come to expect now. Of course TP may have his own reasons for making the comment.

TP almost certainly had his reasons and equally there is no reason for the club to say anything with regard to an event which is probably not under their control e.g. FCA approval, particularly as the transition was meant to be seamless.

The fact is the event is significant is largely because Pulis' own future will only be resolved when the  takeover is complete. Whether he survives a week, to the next defeat or beyond the next international break is a matter for debate. He won't be here by Christmas unless there is a remarkable transformation in form.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 12, 2016, 07:19:22 AM
From the currents boards perspective I suppose that as we are currently running at a point per game they are not overly concerned just yet.
It may appear that the only ones wanting change are the paying public.
What do we matter?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 12, 2016, 08:04:34 AM
Quote from: Legend on September 11, 2016, 09:17:49 PM
He's right with his Irvine comments, we did play good football. Irvine's last game against Stoke we were the better team.
That won't be popular on here but you are right regarding that Stoke game.  Irvine was always going to get it both barrels if we lost that game regardless of performance, I didn't participate in the rubbish he got that day. I feel that anything but a win and Pulis will get the same treatment on Saturday, that toxicity is in the air and ready to explode, I will be participating this time, I've had enough of the enjoyment being sucked out of my weekends. .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on September 12, 2016, 08:47:41 AM
I think he now has less support than at any other time being our manager, it seems as though even the Pulis supporters are slowly starting to lose any remaining patience they have/had.

Anything other than a win in our next game and I can see it getting very toxic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 12, 2016, 08:55:47 AM
I have been around since Jimmy Hagan and believe me this bloke is creating the worst atmosphere around the club since Saunders and then Gould. Even the likes of Buckley were not such corrosive and divisive figures as this bloke, even watching from afar as i have to do 99% of the time it is blatantly obvious his time is up. The game these days is about movement .fluidity and a bit of pace not two banks of four and workin ´arrrd. In short he is unable or unwilling to embrace the modern game and i can only wonder how some of the players feel about turning up for training with this bloke, looking at their unsmiling faces during games it is not hard to guess though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 12, 2016, 08:59:33 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on September 12, 2016, 08:47:41 AM
I think he now has less support than at any other time being our manager, it seems as though even the Pulis supporters are slowly starting to lose any remaining patience they have/had.

Anything other than a win in our next game and I can see it getting very toxic.

I have always said that I need to see some progression and improvement in play this season or TP should not have his contract renewed, I maintain that stance but you are correct, my patience is starting to wear thin, I think too many people have not given him a proper chance, in this they are wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 09:05:14 AM
Quote from: hardtobeat on September 12, 2016, 08:55:47 AM
I have been around since Jimmy Hagan and believe me this bloke is creating the worst atmosphere around the club since Saunders and then Gould. Even the likes of Buckley were not such corrosive and divisive figures as this bloke, even watching from afar as i have to do 99% of the time it is blatantly obvious his time is up. The game these days is about movement .fluidity and a bit of pace not two banks of four and workin ´arrrd. In short he is unable or unwilling to embrace the modern game and i can only wonder how some of the players feel about turning up for training with this bloke, looking at their unsmiling faces during games it is not hard to guess though.

I think we just need to be patient until the acquisition has finally been approved, I'm pretty convinced we'll see some movement then. As things stand, everybody's hands are tied.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 12, 2016, 09:07:04 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on September 12, 2016, 08:47:41 AM
I think he now has less support than at any other time being our manager, it seems as though even the Pulis supporters are slowly starting to lose any remaining patience they have/had.

Anything other than a win in our next game and I can see it getting very toxic.

and a good performance. If we win but it is like our Middlesborough performance then I think it will all kick off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on September 12, 2016, 09:15:19 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 12, 2016, 09:07:04 AM
and a good performance. If we win but it is like our Middlesborough performance then I think it will all kick off.

I agree with the performance, but I think its imperative he gets the 3 points. If we lose to West Ham AND its a terrible peformance, its hard for anyone to defend him.

Ill openly admit I have been a pulis supporter but even my support has dwindled down now, as other people have said, Im not even gutted when we lose anymore because a part of me literally doesnt care anymore, before the game even kicks off every fan knows its going to be something along the lines of:

Possesion anywhere between 30-40%
Shots on target - probably no more than 3
Maybe one/two real chances to score (more than likely from a set piece)

I turned the stream off on saturday when Wilson scored because I knew that we wouldnt get back into the game.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on September 12, 2016, 10:04:02 AM
Fans were unified in the Pulis out camp on Saturday, generally when the away fans turns that's your lot.

The bloke is delusional if he thinks we played tippy-tappy under Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on September 12, 2016, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: Morany on September 12, 2016, 10:04:02 AM
Fans were unified in the Pulis out camp on Saturday, generally when the away fans turns that's your lot.

The bloke is delusional if he thinks we played tippy-tappy under Irvine.

And it is comments such as that that turn more fans against him.

I, as well, was Pulis supporter but am becoming more disillusioned by him with each passing game. When he first came in I thought his interviews were very good. He seemed to talk sense and be straight talking which was a massive improvement on previous managers. But now he just comes out with horsecrap at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 12, 2016, 10:31:06 AM
This is a results driven business and results have been pretty bad for a while never mind performances. So taxi for pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 12, 2016, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: bry on September 11, 2016, 01:41:45 PM
So why don't they sack him then?
because they then have to pay him off. Which I doubt Peace wants to do so it will be when the takeover is done at the earliest is suspect. Either that or force him out the door.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on September 12, 2016, 11:00:28 AM
TP's comments about Alan Irvine and our style of play back then are quite bizarre. I've looked back at my own postings from the time, and while initially I was one of those saying give Irvine time, there was, it seems, a performance under Irvine i.e v Arsenal at home that even I couldn't stomach.

He set us up to draw 0-0 at home. Defensive, no creativity and it seems we didn't muster a shot of any sort until the 76th minute. Sound like anyone else?

Pulis lost me during his first few months. After reasonable displays against Swansea and West Ham he reverted to type. The precise moment I'd had enough was when Zamora outpaced Lescott and scored to make it 1-3 to QPR, who remain, by the way, one of the worst teams I've seen in the top division.

I used to be a regular, but since then I've been once, against Bristol City and boy we stank the place out.

Earlier in the summer I was close to rebooking my season tickets, but then I remembered who the Coach is and thought better of it.

It's not all him, like someone else said, the massive player/fan disconnect, the lack of atmosphere, the ridiculous stewarding, the cost, it all contributes, but his football, my God it is truly dreadful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 11:27:29 AM
To be fair, it wasn't the football that turned me off TP.

There were a number of posters on here, who have been saying for some time that TP was restrictive in the type of player he wants, I'll be honest, & admit, I didn't believe them. It was when John William's statement confirmed it, that the whole Pulis ethos made sense. The man's a control freak.
As I've said previously, you can work in a controlled environment successfully for a while, but then it gets boring & you don't respond. It's just not an inspiring environment to work in.

For me, & from what communication there has been from the club, TP has to adapt or go.

It's the beginning of the season, & we have time, so Mr Lai may give him the opportunity to adapt, certainly reading between the lines, John Williams has told him in no uncertain terms that the club operates a continental style system, where the head coach is a member of a team.
Just have to wait & see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 12, 2016, 11:51:57 AM
The horrible and irrefutable fact here is - with Pulis you trade entertainment for results. If you don't get the results, things look 1000 times worse. Ask yourself, all of you, would you be less pee'd off in these situations:

A) we play badly but win
B) we play well but lose

Obviously 'play well and win' will be the obvious thing everyone's hoping for. But in this instance choosing between the two we HAVE to pick A. And that's where Pulis is failing. You can't sacrifice entertainment for results and not deliver. At least playing well and losing you have the faith they'll come good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 12, 2016, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on September 12, 2016, 11:51:57 AM
The horrible and irrefutable fact here is - with Pulis you trade entertainment for results. If you don't get the results, things look 1000 times worse. Ask yourself, all of you, would you be less pee'd off in these situations:

A) we play badly but win
B) we play well but lose

Obviously 'play well and win' will be the obvious thing everyone's hoping for. But in this instance choosing between the two we HAVE to pick A. And that's where Pulis is failing. You can't sacrifice entertainment for results and not deliver. At least playing well and losing you have the faith they'll come good.
look at the crowd feelings between Pulis and Mobray. One is hated not only by a proportion of the fan base but by the league as a whole, the other was applauded while we got relegated and has a generally liked reputation even nearly a decade on.

Does that answer your question?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggybazza on September 12, 2016, 12:07:06 PM
I think he,s playing a waiting game  is Mr P.

He aint going to walk because of the financial situation, I think he knows his day are few , But if he gets the sack under Mr Lai he will get compensation maybe enough to pay his debt to Crystall Palace.

Call me  a Sceptic.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 12, 2016, 12:08:11 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on September 12, 2016, 11:51:57 AM
The horrible and irrefutable fact here is - with Pulis you trade entertainment for results. If you don't get the results, things look 1000 times worse. Ask yourself, all of you, would you be less pee'd off in these situations:

A) we play badly but win
B) we play well but lose

Obviously 'play well and win' will be the obvious thing everyone's hoping for. But in this instance choosing between the two we HAVE to pick A. And that's where Pulis is failing. You can't sacrifice entertainment for results and not deliver. At least playing well and losing you have the faith they'll come good.

I think we've always been a tolerant club when results don't go our way in the past but when we can see we're working towards a bigger plan/ progress. I think that's your answer?



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on September 12, 2016, 12:10:40 PM
The assumption that a club like ours will lose unless we play a desperately poor type of football is wrong. Look at many of the other teams who have similar resources who seem to find a balance between the need for survival and the need to entertain

The worry this year is that we have played some fairly poor teams and never looked like beating any of them - but worse - we havent gone after any of them - perhaps other than against palace in the first 20 mins on the first day.

if you play the game or have played at any level you will know that you react to the way the opposition are playing. if they sit back, you will come forward, and if they are on the front foot, then you may sit back, or couter etc. we have played a couple of teams who started sitting back against us and we didnt react to that. we basically waited until they started to come at us - and by then they had the upper hand.

our squad has some great players - and saying that they are not better than a backs to the wall park the bus type of play is to massively underestimate them.

pulis is a joke. he might say he has done no more than what is needed - survival. that just shows that he needs to go as the fans after this amount of time in the top league no longer believe that survival / a relegation battle is where we should be aiming.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on September 12, 2016, 12:14:47 PM
I've never set out to defend Pulis's type of football, but if we were to replace him, you have to look at who might  be available to replace him. If you look at those with Premier League experience, I can only come up with 3 names, Roberto Mancini, Michael Laudrup and Martin Jol, and I don't know if any would realistically be available.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 12:15:59 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 12, 2016, 12:00:27 PM
look at the crowd feelings between Pulis and Mobray. One is hated not only by a proportion of the fan base but by the league as a whole, the other was applauded while we got relegated and has a generally liked reputation even nearly a decade on.

Does that answer your question?

Doesn't have to be an either/or though does it?

We could play within a framework that's tight at the back, but with a rapid transition from front to back. We just need some nimble feet in that final third to open teams up.

I keep banging on about it, but the whole football club needs inspiring. Here's a thought, what if we bought Gary Neville in to work alongside Pulis & got rid of part time Gerry Francis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on September 12, 2016, 12:18:42 PM
If he walks he gets nothing - we could sue him

if he gets fired, the starting point is that he gets paid out his contract (9 months)

He isnt going to walk
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2016, 12:20:41 PM
Don't always agree with Martin Samuel on things but his article today on Tony Pulis is spot on, whilst Pulis doesn't help himself with the dross on the pitch, he is doing exactly what Peace wanted, perfect man for a Chairman trying to sell a club and making sure we stay up without threatening any higher and making that nice profit each season.


A goal down to Bournemouth, the frustration was understandable. The West Brom supporters sung the name of their manager, Tony Pulis — then told him, scatologically, what they thought of his football.

And it isn't Barcelona, we know that. But then neither are West Brom. As Pulis pointed out after the game, in the 20 months since he arrived, owner Jeremy Peace has been looking to sell the club. So Pulis's remit has not been to gamble, to bring in the kids, to fly high or reach for the stars. Just don't get relegated.

There's your mission statement. And clubs don't make that news public, because who wants to pay to see an exercise in self-preservation and accountancy? So to blame Pulis for West Brom's torpor is harsh.

He is fancied to be the first Premier League manager sacked now the new owners are coming in — but his hard work has made this next stage possible for West Brom.

Pulis is so often the critics' mark. Need a name to encapsulate all that is primitive and unenlightened in English football — he's your man. Yet before he arrived at Stoke for a second spell in 2006, the club had not been in the top division since 1985. They had sunk as low as 14th in the third tier in 1990-91, yet Pulis made them not just a Premier League club but a Premier League fixture. That is why Peace wanted him at the Hawthorns.

When Pulis took over on January 1, 2015, West Brom were at serious risk of going down, too. They were 17th, a point above the relegation places. They finished 13th, well clear. Then 14th the next season. And, no, the football isn't spectacular — but that wasn't the demand from Pulis's employer. His job was to keep them up, and make them an appealing sale.

So no great transfer market expenditure, no indulgence of youth or a cavalier style of play. West Brom wished to be a workmanlike side, established in the Premier League, with potential for growth. And that is what Pulis created.

In August, Peace got his asking price — in the region of £150million — from a Chinese investment group run by entrepreneur Guochuan Lai. In the circumstances, Pulis did close to a perfect job for his boss.

And, of course, that is not the same as keeping the fans happy. They have different priorities, different motivations. They want success; they at least demand good football. And maybe they will get it now, with greater investment. But it is Pulis, in part, that will have made it possible. Just as he did at Stoke.

The problem is Leicester. On the day Pulis arrived at West Brom, they were the Premier League's bottom club, rising from there to win the title the following season, raising expectations across the land. If Leicester can win it, fans ask, why not us? And there is nothing wrong with ambition.

Yet Leicester had already been taken over by Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha of King Power Duty Free. They were at a wholly different stage of development, and it still necessitated a miraculous coming together of contributory factors.

So no great transfer market expenditure, no indulgence of youth or a cavalier style of play. West Brom wished to be a workmanlike side, established in the Premier League, with potential for growth. And that is what Pulis created.

In August, Peace got his asking price — in the region of £150million — from a Chinese investment group run by entrepreneur Guochuan Lai. In the circumstances, Pulis did close to a perfect job for his boss.

And, of course, that is not the same as keeping the fans happy. They have different priorities, different motivations. They want success; they at least demand good football. And maybe they will get it now, with greater investment. But it is Pulis, in part, that will have made it possible. Just as he did at Stoke.

The problem is Leicester. On the day Pulis arrived at West Brom, they were the Premier League's bottom club, rising from there to win the title the following season, raising expectations across the land. If Leicester can win it, fans ask, why not us? And there is nothing wrong with ambition.

Yet Leicester had already been taken over by Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha of King Power Duty Free. They were at a wholly different stage of development, and it still necessitated a miraculous coming together of contributory factors.

Why, if he was always available, did West Brom wait until the last minute to sign him? 'He wasn't one of my main targets,' Pulis confirmed. 'The players John said I was happy with, weren't the marquee players I wanted to bring in. To say they were the five I wanted, that's wrong.'

It's a familiar story. Don't get what you want — get what you're given. One imagines Pulis is now outspoken because he suspects the new owners want their own man anyway. That's why he can't get his signings through. Why give the manager big money, if he is not the long-term incumbent?

Pulis is getting the shaft. Having spent close to two years managing a club low on ambition, he now finds they do not want to commit to him — at least until the new owners arrive, or probably not at all.

That does not make losing to Bournemouth any easier, but the fans should at least understand why West Brom are such a hard watch. The football may be basic, but so is the supposition that it's only Pulis's fault.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3784269/Tony-Pulis-style-football-basic-s-harsh-blame-West-Brom-s-woes.html#ixzz4K2VjwEel






Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 12, 2016, 12:23:55 PM
What I really don't like about him is that he's always looking to shift the blame elsewhere. If he came out after a game and said 'I got it wrong today' then I'd have a lot more respect for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2016, 12:25:38 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 12, 2016, 12:23:55 PM
What I really don't like about him is that he's always looking to shift the blame elsewhere. If he came out after a game and said 'I got it wrong today' then I'd have a lot more respect for him.

Not alone in that though is he ? Quite a few others are always blameless, seems the modern trait of managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 12, 2016, 12:29:07 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2016, 12:20:41 PM
Don't always agree with Martin Samuel on things but his article today on Tony Pulis is spot on, whilst Pulis doesn't help himself with the dross on the pitch, he is doing exactly what Peace wanted, perfect man for a Chairman trying to sell a club and making sure we stay up without threatening any higher and making that nice profit each season.


A goal down to Bournemouth, the frustration was understandable. The West Brom supporters sung the name of their manager, Tony Pulis — then told him, scatologically, what they thought of his football.

And it isn't Barcelona, we know that. But then neither are West Brom. As Pulis pointed out after the game, in the 20 months since he arrived, owner Jeremy Peace has been looking to sell the club. So Pulis's remit has not been to gamble, to bring in the kids, to fly high or reach for the stars. Just don't get relegated.

There's your mission statement. And clubs don't make that news public, because who wants to pay to see an exercise in self-preservation and accountancy? So to blame Pulis for West Brom's torpor is harsh.

He is fancied to be the first Premier League manager sacked now the new owners are coming in — but his hard work has made this next stage possible for West Brom.

Pulis is so often the critics' mark. Need a name to encapsulate all that is primitive and unenlightened in English football — he's your man. Yet before he arrived at Stoke for a second spell in 2006, the club had not been in the top division since 1985. They had sunk as low as 14th in the third tier in 1990-91, yet Pulis made them not just a Premier League club but a Premier League fixture. That is why Peace wanted him at the Hawthorns.

When Pulis took over on January 1, 2015, West Brom were at serious risk of going down, too. They were 17th, a point above the relegation places. They finished 13th, well clear. Then 14th the next season. And, no, the football isn't spectacular — but that wasn't the demand from Pulis's employer. His job was to keep them up, and make them an appealing sale.

So no great transfer market expenditure, no indulgence of youth or a cavalier style of play. West Brom wished to be a workmanlike side, established in the Premier League, with potential for growth. And that is what Pulis created.

In August, Peace got his asking price — in the region of £150million — from a Chinese investment group run by entrepreneur Guochuan Lai. In the circumstances, Pulis did close to a perfect job for his boss.

And, of course, that is not the same as keeping the fans happy. They have different priorities, different motivations. They want success; they at least demand good football. And maybe they will get it now, with greater investment. But it is Pulis, in part, that will have made it possible. Just as he did at Stoke.

The problem is Leicester. On the day Pulis arrived at West Brom, they were the Premier League's bottom club, rising from there to win the title the following season, raising expectations across the land. If Leicester can win it, fans ask, why not us? And there is nothing wrong with ambition.

Yet Leicester had already been taken over by Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha of King Power Duty Free. They were at a wholly different stage of development, and it still necessitated a miraculous coming together of contributory factors.

So no great transfer market expenditure, no indulgence of youth or a cavalier style of play. West Brom wished to be a workmanlike side, established in the Premier League, with potential for growth. And that is what Pulis created.

In August, Peace got his asking price — in the region of £150million — from a Chinese investment group run by entrepreneur Guochuan Lai. In the circumstances, Pulis did close to a perfect job for his boss.

And, of course, that is not the same as keeping the fans happy. They have different priorities, different motivations. They want success; they at least demand good football. And maybe they will get it now, with greater investment. But it is Pulis, in part, that will have made it possible. Just as he did at Stoke.

The problem is Leicester. On the day Pulis arrived at West Brom, they were the Premier League's bottom club, rising from there to win the title the following season, raising expectations across the land. If Leicester can win it, fans ask, why not us? And there is nothing wrong with ambition.

Yet Leicester had already been taken over by Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha of King Power Duty Free. They were at a wholly different stage of development, and it still necessitated a miraculous coming together of contributory factors.

Why, if he was always available, did West Brom wait until the last minute to sign him? 'He wasn't one of my main targets,' Pulis confirmed. 'The players John said I was happy with, weren't the marquee players I wanted to bring in. To say they were the five I wanted, that's wrong.'

It's a familiar story. Don't get what you want — get what you're given. One imagines Pulis is now outspoken because he suspects the new owners want their own man anyway. That's why he can't get his signings through. Why give the manager big money, if he is not the long-term incumbent?

Pulis is getting the shaft. Having spent close to two years managing a club low on ambition, he now finds they do not want to commit to him — at least until the new owners arrive, or probably not at all.

That does not make losing to Bournemouth any easier, but the fans should at least understand why West Brom are such a hard watch. The football may be basic, but so is the supposition that it's only Pulis's fault.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3784269/Tony-Pulis-style-football-basic-s-harsh-blame-West-Brom-s-woes.html#ixzz4K2VjwEel

Sounds about right to me Oldbury.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 12, 2016, 12:36:33 PM
Quote from: baggybazza on September 12, 2016, 12:07:06 PM
I think he,s playing a waiting game  is Mr P.

He aint going to walk because of the financial situation, I think he knows his day are few , But if he gets the sack under Mr Lai he will get compensation maybe enough to pay his debt to Crystall Palace.

Call me  a Sceptic.

He'll only get the remainder of his contract paid up.
Not sure if that will cover what he has to pay back to Palace, but I wouldn't have thought he was short of a bob or two regardless
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 12:40:14 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2016, 12:20:41 PM
Don't always agree with Martin Samuel on things but his article today on Tony Pulis is spot on, whilst Pulis doesn't help himself with the dross on the pitch, he is doing exactly what Peace wanted, perfect man for a Chairman trying to sell a club and making sure we stay up without threatening any higher and making that nice profit each season.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3784269/Tony-Pulis-style-football-basic-s-harsh-blame-West-Brom-s-woes.html#ixzz4K2VjwEel
Sorry to delete the text but didn't see any point in reproducing it.

Agree 100% with the article, in fact said as much in another topic, but.............................

I think Pulis has done himself no favours:

I think he saw the appointment of Nick Hammond as a threat, & became intransigent as a result. If you want to impress new owners, you have to demonstrate you'r e adaptable, & more than a "one trick pony". He wouldn't be the first manager in or out of football that's failed that test, & failed it he has.

'ees gora goo Tom, might not be now, but sooner or later 'ees gorra goo
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2016, 12:49:54 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 12:40:14 PM
Sorry to delete the text but didn't see any point in reproducing it.

Agree 100% with the article, in fact said as much in another topic, but.............................

I think Pulis has done himself no favours:

I think he saw the appointment of Nick Hammond as a threat, & became intransigent as a result. If you want to impress new owners, you have to demonstrate you'r e adaptable, & more than a "one trick pony". He wouldn't be the first manager in or out of football that's failed that test, & failed it he has.

'ees gora goo Tom, might not be now, but sooner or later 'ees gorra goo

Not sure he saw Hammond as a threat, its just another face given a job by Mr Peace and a guideline to go with it.

"Keep us up spend as little as possible, ignore what Pulis wants, maybe give him one decent one and the rest we'll just get nice and cheaply as we do each Summer. Don't worry about January as I won't be here so someone elses problem."

I would love one person to refuse to sign a confidentiality clause and give a proper insight to the workings of this club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 12, 2016, 12:50:33 PM
Cannot believe this thread still hasn't had a name change to "Tony Pulis sacked by Albion".

The bloke is a dead man walking for goodness sake, he is a goner, get it done already.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2016, 12:52:22 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 12, 2016, 12:50:33 PM
Cannot believe this thread still hasn't had a name change to "Tony Pulis sacked by Albion".

The bloke is a dead man walking for goodness sake, he is a goner, get it done already.

He will be here until he has his meeting with the new owners and we get the "left by mutual consent" line trotted out, Peace will not take the responsibility. I wouldn't be surprised if he is still here for Saturdays game and it all done early next week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2016, 12:49:54 PM
Not sure he saw Hammond as a threat, its just another face given a job by Mr Peace and a guideline to go with it.

"Keep us up spend as little as possible, ignore what Pulis wants, maybe give him one decent one and the rest we'll just get nice and cheaply as we do each Summer. Don't worry about January as I won't be here so someone elses problem."

I would love one person to refuse to sign a confidentiality clause and give a proper insight to the workings of this club.

It's not difficult to work out the mechanisms, it's the nuanced politics that you'll never get to know, same with any business. That why, if you've been involved at that level, you have a better understanding of what's going on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 12, 2016, 12:56:57 PM
Its going to be expensive to replace him, we changed the entire backroom staff for him and they are likely to follow him out of the door so when we do get rid we will have to replace them all. A parting of the ways is desperately needed now, I believe his position is completely untenable at this stage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2016, 12:59:58 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 12:55:39 PM
It's not difficult to work out the mechanisms, it's the nuanced politics that you'll never get to know, same with any business. That why, if you've been involved at that level, you have a better understanding of what's going on.

Not sure what point you are trying to make with that comment.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 12, 2016, 01:05:56 PM
Does anyone think we deliberately held money back this summer to keep for a new man? Perhaps the club didn't think that TP's targets would have been beneficial to the side long term? Risky strategy if so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on September 12, 2016, 01:22:38 PM
In the name of God, go, as the man said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 12, 2016, 01:23:42 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2016, 12:49:54 PM
Not sure he saw Hammond as a threat, its just another face given a job by Mr Peace and a guideline to go with it.

"Keep us up spend as little as possible, ignore what Pulis wants, maybe give him one decent one and the rest we'll just get nice and cheaply as we do each Summer. Don't worry about January as I won't be here so someone elses problem."

I would love one person to refuse to sign a confidentiality clause and give a proper insight to the workings of this club.
I suspect under Peace if they didnt agree to a confidentiality clause they wouldnt get the job.Perhaps a better chance is that they may be able to break ranks if/when Peace leaves
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on September 12, 2016, 01:22:38 PM
In the name of God, go, as the man said.

You're joking! Jeremy Corbyn? What does he know about football?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 12, 2016, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 01:40:41 PM
You're joking! Jeremy Corbyn? What does he know about football?
At least we'd have a decent left winger. Thought I'd get in first  :D Fine, I'll go quietly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: timdon on September 12, 2016, 02:22:56 PM
At least we'd have a decent left winger. Thought I'd get in first  :D Fine, I'll go quietly

No actually, I thought that was quite original, I was expecting " At least he'd fit in with our aging squad"  >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CanadaBaggieEh! on September 12, 2016, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on September 12, 2016, 05:08:26 PM
For the people saying 'Why hasn't he been sacked?' etc, Correct me if im wrong but i haven't seen anyone yet mention this theory...

When Pulis joined the club, he was above our level (or so we thought). After winning manager of the year most of our fans were overjoyed that we had managed to get such a sought after manager for teams the same level as ourselves, and that after his time at Palace we had a new coach who would maximise our squad and play a different style of football to his Stoke days.

Now considering our position at the time and our desperation to get our man, is it possible that he has a HEFTY sacking clause? At the time we were more than happy to have him for two years, people were even talking about having him for longer term, so given the risk of relegation and the relatively short-normal sized contract length, is it not possible that he has a substantial release clause which is putting the club off sacking him?

It would make sense given that the club have directed comments at him and that he's trying to make himself look like he's happy with the role, maybe the club are trying to force his hand and get rid of him by trying to make him quit rather than sacking him to try and save the large sacking clause?

Would like to know peoples thoughts, but for me everything adds up and it would make sense  ::)

We very rarely pay off managers. We stick them on gardening leave so only have to pay them their salary and if they want to join another club compensation still has to be paid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on September 12, 2016, 05:17:28 PM
"sacking clause" - for removal of the manager before the end of their contract there can sometimes be a trigger - eg David Moyes at Man Ure. But for most if you terminate them, then they are due contractual damages ie the money they would have earned until the end of their contract - although they are under a duty to mitigate - ie to go and find another job. that is why many are put on gardening leave instead so that when they find another job, a deal can be done re compensation (as being out of the game for too long can impact on a manager's long term worth)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on September 12, 2016, 05:22:21 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on September 12, 2016, 12:56:57 PM
Its going to be expensive to replace him, we changed the entire backroom staff for him and they are likely to follow him out of the door so when we do get rid we will have to replace them all. A parting of the ways is desperately needed now, I believe his position is completely untenable at this stage.
will defiently be money well spent then to get rid of them all and start a fresh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 05:24:08 PM
No idea why everyone is so sure he's going...

Still expect him to see out the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on September 12, 2016, 05:37:14 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 05:24:08 PM
No idea why everyone is so sure he's going...

Still expect him to see out the season.

Loses the next pair, maybe even just West Ham I think he will be gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 12, 2016, 05:37:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 05:24:08 PM
No idea why everyone is so sure he's going...

Still expect him to see out the season.
As a bloke I like him , I'm not anti Pulis but he needs performances AND points sharpish mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 12, 2016, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 05:24:08 PM
No idea why everyone is so sure he's going...

Still expect him to see out the season.
Here's a few ideas that might have something to do with it:
1 Seems to have fallen out with his boss
2 Plays a very unattractive style of football which is alienating fans
3 On a very poor run of results
4 New owner may want someone different
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on September 12, 2016, 06:07:22 PM
Think his only hope is if Peace convinces the owners that he will guarantee survival for the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 06:08:04 PM
Don't think Pulis in his wildest dreams would expect to get a renewal of his contract, so in effect he's on notice.

I don't know many businesses that would give the responsibility of keeping the business afloat to someone on notice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 12, 2016, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 06:08:04 PM
Don't think Pulis in his wildest dreams would expect to get a renewal of his contract, so in effect he's on notice.

I don't know many businesses that would give the responsibility of keeping the business afloat to someone on notice.
In fairness Pulis will most likely sit with the new owners and see their plans.
Probably more important than us staying up to Pulis is protecting 'Brand Pulis' , in a way that goes in our favour if he stays.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 12, 2016, 06:16:00 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on September 12, 2016, 06:07:22 PM
Think his only hope is if Peace convinces the owners that he will guarantee survival for the season.

Or that he's the best person between now and say early December to grinbd out results with this squad. Sack him then, get in an appointment Williams and Lai want and back that person in January with 3 first team players.

I can but dream.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 12, 2016, 06:28:40 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on September 12, 2016, 06:16:00 PM
Or that he's the best person between now and say early December to grinbd out results with this squad. Sack him then, get in an appointment Williams and Lai want and back that person in January with 3 first team players.

I can but dream.

But he's not even getting results, surely the new owners cant be dumb enough to not see that?

pulis said himself something along the lines of.... 'can't please all fans, under Irvine we was playing good tippy tappy football but not getting results but now the tables have turned', incorrect.... we're playing poor football and getting poor results now

I'd much rather take the risk and get someone fresh in and have the chance of seeing us actually play football and give it ago every time I'm spending my money watching us play, it's depressing, boring, embarrassing and pathetic, could we actually get anyone worse in?

We have a manager who;

1) obviously doesn't get on with his 'gaffers'
2) sees us as a small club with no ambition (they way he talks about us) - regardless, he should be 'bigging us up'
3) not happy with the players we have and has his favourite few who he will never drop regardless how they play
4) doesn't have a clue how to set a team up to play football
5)has clearly lost the majority of the fans and players

Were playing very poor football and can't win a match at all, surely any other manager can either do the same or atleast get a couple of wins from somewhere?

It's ok saying 'he can grind out results' etc etc... what if he don't and by the time we replace him it's too late and too much of a mountain to climb to stay up?

As they say, no time like the present for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 12, 2016, 06:59:30 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 12, 2016, 08:59:33 AM
I have always said that I need to see some progression and improvement in play this season or TP should not have his contract renewed, I maintain that stance but you are correct, my patience is starting to wear thin, I think too many people have not given him a proper chance, in this they are wrong.
Why are they wrong when things are turning out in a way that shows them to be right?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 12, 2016, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on September 12, 2016, 12:00:27 PM
look at the crowd feelings between Pulis and Mobray. One is hated not only by a proportion of the fan base but by the league as a whole, the other was applauded while we got relegated and has a generally liked reputation even nearly a decade on.
The same was true of Pepe Mel. What Mel and Mowbray had in common was an ethos of wanting to play entertaining football. Whatever you think of the extent to which Albion have tried to play entertaining football in the past (and I believe they have more of the time than some people give them credit for), the adulation that Mel and Mowbray received in adversity does appear to demonstrate that a majority of Albion fans yearn to see a side which plays in an entertaining and attacking way.

Pulis has done nothing in his career to show that he's capable of doing that, which is one of a number of reasons why he needs to go now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 12, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on September 12, 2016, 12:56:57 PM
Its going to be expensive to replace him, we changed the entire backroom staff for him and they are likely to follow him out of the door so when we do get rid we will have to replace them all. A parting of the ways is desperately needed now, I believe his position is completely untenable at this stage.
We've got plenty of money! The costs of this pale into insignificance more than ever now compared to players' transfer fees, signing-on fees, agents' fees etc etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on September 12, 2016, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 05:24:08 PM
No idea why everyone is so sure he's going...

Still expect him to see out the season.


So what if the next 15 games go like the last 15 games..?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: Dexy on September 12, 2016, 06:15:31 PM
In fairness Pulis will most likely sit with the new owners and see their plans.
Probably more important than us staying up to Pulis is protecting 'Brand Pulis' , in a way that goes in our favour if he stays.

Pretty sure John Williams statement inferred Pulis had "crossed the line", difficult to see how you get a reconciliation where everybody saves face after that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 12, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
We've got plenty of money! The costs of this pale into insignificance more than ever now compared to players' transfer fees, signing-on fees, agents' fees etc etc.

Go on WorcsWBA, you say it, I'll get shot down in flames if I do.  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 07:21:40 PM
Quote from: timdon on September 12, 2016, 05:41:37 PM
Here's a few ideas that might have something to do with it:
1 Seems to have fallen out with his boss
2 Plays a very unattractive style of football which is alienating fans
3 On a very poor run of results
4 New owner may want someone different

1. Seems...
2. It has ever been thus with him.
3. 4 points from 4 matches.
4. Only reason I can see it happening.

Quote from: collins101 on September 12, 2016, 07:13:11 PM


So what if the next 15 games go like the last 15 games..?

Then I would expect him to be sacked. As soon as he goes on a sustained run this season that sees us dip beneath a point a match (say 12 games, so another 8). If the return is less than 12 points then history shows he'll be in real danger.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 12, 2016, 07:25:05 PM
Quote from: collins101 on September 12, 2016, 07:13:11 PM


So what if the next 15 games go like the last 15 games..?
Doubt they will, despite how the games have gone, the last 4 games have yielded IDENTICAL stats in terms of points, wins draws and loses to last season's total. scored 1 less but conceded 3 less.

As ever Pulis manages to even take the fun out of season comparison... theres no improvement really, not worse either... just, meh.
http://jonwant.com/football/albions-premier-league-season-comparison-4-games-2/?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Marcus on September 12, 2016, 07:26:02 PM
I wonder if our poor results are partly due to the players losing confidence in his methods and approach.
Surely if he's starting to lose the dressing room there's no way back
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 07:29:58 PM
Let's take this season in isolation, humour me.

Palace away, comfortable but narrow win.

Everton home, narrow defeat to a supposed top ten side.

Boro home, bore draw.

Bournemouth away, very narrow defeat, Saido misses, Bournemouth hit.

Been a steady start imo with very fine margins, as it always is. We're in the pack in 12th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 12, 2016, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 07:29:58 PM
Let's take this season in isolation, humour me.

Palace away, comfortable but narrow win.

Everton home, narrow defeat to a supposed top ten side.

Boro home, bore draw.

Bournemouth away, very narrow defeat, Saido misses, Bournemouth hit.

Been a steady start imo with very fine margins, as it always is. We're in the pack in 12th.
Fair summing up. Think we need to take each game in isolation at the moment.....but we need to see the positive intent more often - starting Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie_liam on September 12, 2016, 08:09:55 PM
Quote from: Adder on September 12, 2016, 07:44:14 PM
Fair summing up. Think we need to take each game in isolation at the moment.....but we need to see the positive intent more often - starting Saturday.

I think we were the masters of our own downfall vs Everton, sloppy in possession for the first and switched off for the corner with the second goal.

Boro was like above a total bore draw, nothing from either side.

I only saw the second half on Saturday but I think we can count ourselves a bit unlucky really, cross shot that hit the bar, gmac header well saved, a few half chances, then we lose to a sucker punch of a flick that could have gone anywhere.

All ifs and buts.. But we could be sitting here with 10pts in 3rd, 4th. But we're not, so I agree at the minute it's fine margins, we just can't keep saying the same thing after every game and we need to make chances count soon
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 12, 2016, 08:17:48 PM
I think we've actually looked better than last season. We've created a lot more chances. We look very solid in general - conceded three but two of the three were fantastic goals.

Problem is we still aren't scoring goals and lack creativity in open play. I think Chadli will help to change this, Morrison and Brunt retuning to fitness could also help in this regard.

The biggest problem for us, on the pitch anyway, is Rondon looked off it against Middlesbrough and Berahino looked poor against Bournemouth. I genuinely think Hal Robson Kanu, for all the criticism of his signing, will at least have a bit of confidence from the Euros and be able to galvanise us in this area. It's no wonder we are looking at Chamakh with our struggling front line. We desperately need a striker to get a bit of form going.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on September 12, 2016, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 12, 2016, 08:17:48 PM
I think we've actually looked better than last season. We've created a lot more chances. We look very solid in general - conceded three but two of the three were fantastic goals.

Problem is we still aren't scoring goals and lack creativity in open play. I think Chadli will help to change this, Morrison and Brunt retuning to fitness could also help in this regard.

The biggest problem for us, on the pitch anyway, is Rondon looked off it against Middlesbrough and Berahino looked poor against Bournemouth. I genuinely think Hal Robson Kanu, for all the criticism of his signing, will at least have a bit of confidence from the Euros and be able to galvanise us in this area. It's no wonder we are looking at Chamakh with our struggling front line. We desperately need a striker to get a bit of form going.
some good points made . I agree entirely, how about Kanu and Chamakh the front two. That would be a turn up for the book
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on September 12, 2016, 08:36:18 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 07:29:58 PM
Let's take this season in isolation, humour me.

Palace away, comfortable but narrow win.

Everton home, narrow defeat to a supposed top ten side.

Boro home, bore draw.

Bournemouth away, very narrow defeat, Saido misses, Bournemouth hit.

Been a steady start imo with very fine margins, as it always is. We're in the pack in 12th.

That's the point. It's nearly always fine margins with Pulis; 0-0, 0-1, 1-0.  Pulis gets by because he gets enough 0-0's and 1-0's. But as entertainment, it's dire. Just imagine what the League would be like if all 20 clubs played that way. You'd kill football as a spectator sport.

The only thing I'd say, is make sure there is a replacement lined up before sacking him. We don't want another scenario where we are linked to all kinds of names, none of who sign up. We've seen that before.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 12, 2016, 08:48:33 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 07:21:40 PM
1. Seems...
2. It has ever been thus with him.
3. 4 points from 4 matches.
4. Only reason I can see it happening.

Then I would expect him to be sacked. As soon as he goes on a sustained run this season that sees us dip beneath a point a match (say 12 games, so another 8). If the return is less than 12 points then history shows he'll be in real danger.

I know, but you said you could see no reasons, I was just giving you a few. Not saying they are necessarily going to be tipping points, but
1 Seems, yes, but it has been fairly widely reported, and have seen no evidence that it's incorrect
2 Agreed, and unlikely to be a big enough reason on its own, but may well be a subsidiary reason
3 1 win in 13 is it? I know, I know, last season doesn't really count as we were safe etc etc. The next 2 matches are key. 4 or 5 points from 6 games and he would be very vulnerable I think. 10 points from 6 games, and he would be in a very strong position
4 I have no idea what the new owners are thinking, but it's a possibility
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 12, 2016, 08:50:15 PM
We could be on ten points?

We would have to score some goals to do that. Something Pulisball rarely achieves.

Also, while the points are important, do you REALLY want to keep watching this rubbish?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 08:56:28 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on September 12, 2016, 08:50:15 PM
We could be on ten points?

We would have to score some goals to do that. Something Pulisball rarely achieves.

Also, while the points are important, do you REALLY want to keep watching this rubbish?

This particular discussion isn't about what we want, it's common knowledge a lot of vocal fans want rid of Pulis, this latest conversation began when I asked why so many people seem sure Lai is going to sack Pulis when I myself expect him to see out the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 12, 2016, 09:02:44 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 07:17:24 PM
Pretty sure John Williams statement inferred Pulis had "crossed the line", difficult to see how you get a reconciliation where everybody saves face after that.
Yet to see just how much say Williams will have when Jenkins and co are gone , although its not looking good for Pulis at the minute ive suspected for a while he was sold as part of the Club as in proven Premier Manager etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 09:21:13 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 08:56:28 PM
This particular discussion isn't about what we want, it's common knowledge a lot of vocal fans want rid of Pulis, this latest conversation began when I asked why so many people seem sure Lai is going to sack Pulis when I myself expect him to see out the season.

Purely on numbers Jacko, I would probably agree with you, but the Statement from John Williams & TP's comments about "this club operates a continental system" leads me to believe that he's lost his "top dog" role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mr Lai gives him an opportunity to adapt to a more "team player" position, & if he can re-invent himself, fair play.

Interesting times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 12, 2016, 09:42:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 07:29:58 PM
Let's take this season in isolation, humour me.

Palace away, comfortable but narrow win.

Everton home, narrow defeat to a supposed top ten side.

Boro home, bore draw.

Bournemouth away, very narrow defeat, Saido misses, Bournemouth hit.

Been a steady start imo with very fine margins, as it always is. We're in the pack in 12th.

But, we've still haven't scored from open play in the premier league which is hugely concerning and we also drew/lost to Northampton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 12, 2016, 09:42:03 PM
But, we've still haven't scored from open play in the premier league which is hugely concerning and we also drew/lost to Northampton.

It's concerning but not hugely so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 12, 2016, 11:08:27 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 10:11:04 PM
It's concerning but not hugely so.

Has Stokelad broke into your house & stole your laptop?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 11:53:03 PM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on September 12, 2016, 11:08:27 PM
Has Stokelad broke into your house & stole your laptop?  ;D

Actually laughed!! Very good.

We've only scored twice, a bigger concern is the lack of goals not how they come about. That said 2014/15 Saido would be sitting pretty on 4 goals for the season. So we are creating more chances than last year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 13, 2016, 06:35:29 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 08:56:28 PM
This particular discussion isn't about what we want, it's common knowledge a lot of vocal fans want rid of Pulis, this latest conversation began when I asked why so many people seem sure Lai is going to sack Pulis when I myself expect him to see out the season.

Personally I think it's a given that he will be gone.
He refers to the new owner as 'the Chinese' not Mr Lai whilst mentioning 'Jeremy' at every opportunity at the press conferences. To me that shows a complete lack of respect, something that the Chinese place great value on in business.
He also said that he will meet with 'The Chinese' to see what they want to do in the future.
Even though I wouldn't have thought that Pulis would not have been involved with any discussion with the new owners during the negotiations of the sale, I would have thought that Pulis would have been introduced to them by his old mucka Jeremy during the course of their visits to see the club.
Again Personally I think he's trying to work his ticket. Won't walk but is willing to go with a bit of a shove.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 13, 2016, 06:47:27 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 09:21:13 PM
Purely on numbers Jacko, I would probably agree with you, but the Statement from John Williams & TP's comments about "this club operates a continental system" leads me to believe that he's lost his "top dog" role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mr Lai gives him an opportunity to adapt to a more "team player" position, & if he can re-invent himself, fair play.

Interesting times.

The only way Pulis will last longer than a few games is if he finally understands fans need to see a team trying to score more goals. We do have some good ball players in our squad and we have players who could score goals.

The onus is on Pulis to adapt the team and his approach as fans couldn't be any clearer and have been far too patient already .

He hasn't got much time though because his results in the last 15 or so games have shown us to relegation candidates.

Can anyone see him changing and achieving results .

It will end in one way. The fans have turned it seems.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 13, 2016, 08:44:00 AM
Quote from: darbolina on September 13, 2016, 06:47:27 AM
The only way Pulis will last longer than a few games is if he finally understands fans need to see a team trying to score more goals. We do have some good ball players in our squad and we have players who could score goals.

The onus is on Pulis to adapt the team and his approach as fans couldn't be any clearer and have been far too patient already .

He hasn't got much time though because his results in the last 15 or so games have shown us to relegation candidates.

Can anyone see him changing and achieving results .

It will end in one way. The fans have turned it seems.


IMO, style will not be towards the top of the list of requirements, working as part of a team, & results, undoubtedly will. As has been said before, the Chinese culture is one of mutual respect, IMO Mr Lai will not want to be seen as a hire & fire merchant, so if TP can adapt, work in a team & get positive results he will at least be allowed to see out his contract. On the other hand, he's probably on his "final warning".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 13, 2016, 09:49:46 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 13, 2016, 08:44:00 AM

IMO, style will not be towards the top of the list of requirements, working as part of a team, & results, undoubtedly will. As has been said before, the Chinese culture is one of mutual respect, IMO Mr Lai will not want to be seen as a hire & fire merchant, so if TP can adapt, work in a team & get positive results he will at least be allowed to see out his contract. On the other hand, he's probably on his "final warning".

Im not asking for style necessarily, I am asking for more of a gameplan than playing 90 minutes of football hoping you get a corner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 13, 2016, 12:51:48 PM
Neville and Carragher making very patronising comments.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-fans-need-realistic-11879750

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on September 13, 2016, 12:58:25 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on September 13, 2016, 12:51:48 PM
Neville and Carragher making very patronising comments.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-fans-need-realistic-11879750
Bit like  multi millionaire's telling us we should be happy with what we have and not want to strive for anything better !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 13, 2016, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on September 13, 2016, 12:51:48 PM
Neville and Carragher making very patronising comments.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-fans-need-realistic-11879750
Utterly pathetic simplistic soundbites from "experts" who don't spend any time thinking about the issues, apart from the couple of minutes where they need to talk about it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Matty on September 13, 2016, 01:14:51 PM
Loads of pundits bang on about how great Pulis is.  Question that springs to my mind; would Leicester have won the league if Pulis had been in charge?  For me, no.

Same with Allardyce too, another one where the pundits/media ram it down our throats about how great he is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on September 13, 2016, 01:27:17 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 13, 2016, 08:44:00 AM

IMO, style will not be towards the top of the list of requirements, working as part of a team, & results, undoubtedly will. As has been said before, the Chinese culture is one of mutual respect, IMO Mr Lai will not want to be seen as a hire & fire merchant, so if TP can adapt, work in a team & get positive results he will at least be allowed to see out his contract. On the other hand, he's probably on his "final warning".

Remember that the new owners have paid between 150 million and 200 million to by us and promote football in China
Can you really see a huge TV audience in China relishing the boring rubbish that Pulis delivers
I was a defender of his up to the end of last year but frankly I cant stand another season of being bored to death and not trying to win games
The man plays football for cowards
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on September 13, 2016, 01:29:43 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 13, 2016, 09:49:46 AM
Im not asking for style necessarily, I am asking for more of a gameplan than playing 90 minutes of football hoping you get a corner.
It would be nice if we even tried to get a corner...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 13, 2016, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: Matty on September 13, 2016, 01:14:51 PM
Loads of pundits bang on about how great Pulis is.  Question that springs to my mind; would Leicester have won the league if Pulis had been in charge?  For me, no.

Same with Allardyce too, another one where the pundits/media ram it down our throats about how great he is.

The problem is Pulis is great......

at pulling a club out of relegation, setting a team up to defend, and suffocating the life out of a game. He will guarantee Premiership survival year in, year out - and thus keep the club financially sound. He alluded to that in his recent press conference [make a profit]. Not too many teams want to play us because of our set up. I have lost count with the amount of times I have heard the phrase 'typical Pulis team' by these experts. I wonder if Neville and Carragher would like TP as their manager.......

I have said it before, I like the bloke personally, he came to do a job and he has done it. Now is the time to go our separate ways.........

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 13, 2016, 01:49:21 PM
Quote from: tylerm on September 13, 2016, 01:27:17 PM
Remember that the new owners have paid between 150 million and 200 million to by us and promote football in China
Can you really see a huge TV audience in China relishing the boring rubbish that Pulis delivers
I was a defender of his up to the end of last year but frankly I cant stand another season of being bored to death and not trying to win games
The man plays football for cowards

Bit of truth in that to be honest. Even playing at the rubbish standard I used to play at on a Sunday - you have to be 'brave' to get on the ball , pass it and try to make things happen.

I don't want to get too deep into a discussion on Pulis' mind (!!! aargggh)  but I think his style is probably borne out of a need to control EVERYTHING! If he could somehow relax a bit and let the players express themselves, make a few mistakes along the way,  then he may find he's more successful results-wise and he pleases fans more and for a longer period than a year or two when they value his organisational skills for 'saving' teams from relegation.


 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 13, 2016, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 13, 2016, 01:49:21 PM
Bit of truth in that to be honest. Even playing at the rubbish standard I used to play at on a Sunday - you have to be 'brave' to get on the ball , pass it and try to make things happen.

I don't want to get too deep into a discussion on Pulis' mind (!!! aargggh)  but I think his style is probably borne out of a need to control EVERYTHING! If he could somehow relax a bit and let the players express themselves, make a few mistakes along the way,  then he may find he's more successful results-wise and he pleases fans more and for a longer period than a year or two when they value his organisational skills for 'saving' teams from relegation.

Correct, it's in his DNA: personally, I don't think he can change, but he deserves the opportunity to try.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on September 13, 2016, 02:57:36 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 13, 2016, 02:16:49 PM
Correct, it's in his DNA: personally, I don't think he can change, but he deserves the opportunity to try.

He has a formula, it's worked for him and goodluck to him, it's given him a long career but he won't change. Our club needs to change and be brave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on September 13, 2016, 03:01:27 PM
Pulis has been managing the same way for numerous years, he has been managing in the premier league for near on 10 years? (maybe more maybe less) and has used this way of playing since he has been here, regardless of if its pleasing on the eye, for what he has been required to do its successful.

Consolidate Stoke.
Keep Palace up.
Keep us up.

He wont change his methods now as he trusts the way he does things to get results.

We either continue this way of playing until one of the following happens:
- He is sacked
- He leaves
- Contract expires
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 13, 2016, 03:07:41 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 13, 2016, 02:16:49 PM
Correct, it's in his DNA: personally, I don't think he can change, but he deserves the opportunity to try.
You wanted him gone a couple of days ago. You're as schizophrenic as WBAinDevon!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 13, 2016, 03:15:34 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on September 13, 2016, 03:01:27 PM
Pulis has been managing the same way for numerous years, he has been managing in the premier league for near on 10 years? (maybe more maybe less) and has used this way of playing since he has been here, regardless of if its pleasing on the eye, for what he has been required to do its successful.

Consolidate Stoke.
Keep Palace up.
Keep us up.

He wont change his methods now as he trusts the way he does things to get results.

We either continue this way of playing until one of the following happens:
- He is sacked
- He leaves
- Contract expires

Thing is, at Palace they were that far off the pace, he had to try and win games; nil-nils just wouldnt be enough, he did and played some 1/2 decent stuff along the way.

I'm more inclined to believe Pulis statement of keep us up with a profit, over any other statement from the club.


I think it was this thread somewhere that mentioned getting a strong leader, who is in charge etc.

Well if I was the kind of person that wanted to be completely blameless for the things that happen around me, I would employ lots of people in different areas of my graft.

If it works,,, I'm great I employed them, if it fails, THEY didn't do their job.

But, at no point would it be my fault for failure and everything to do with me if it was successful.

Else how could I justify my huge wages? Somebody has to be blamed, anybody, as long as that someone ain't me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 13, 2016, 03:55:47 PM
the club as stated it wants to push on towards the top ten well history says you wont crack that with Pulis. Open to correction but dont think he´s ever finished above 12th!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 13, 2016, 04:01:12 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on September 13, 2016, 03:55:47 PM
the club as stated it ants to push on towards the top ten well history says you wont crack that with Pulis. Open to correction but dont think he´s ever finished above 12th!

Very true, not sure exactly the highest finish but deffo not top 10.

So, when considering who to appoint as the next WBA manager, do you think Peace looked at the fact he has never had a top 10 finish?

What does that tell you?

Or do you think he looked at the fact he ain't been relegated?

What does that tell you?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 13, 2016, 04:02:53 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on September 13, 2016, 03:55:47 PM
the club as stated it ants to push on towards the top ten well history says you wont crack that with Pulis. Open to correction but dont think he´s ever finished above 12th!
11th, but never top ten.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on September 13, 2016, 04:19:13 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 13, 2016, 02:16:49 PM
Correct, it's in his DNA: personally, I don't think he can change, but he deserves the opportunity to try.

Why does he deserve the opportunity to try? I'd very much disagree with that as I'd contend he has had two seasons where we were safe with a few games to spare and we saw the same rubbish then. I well remember driving four and a half hours up to Newcastle (who were on one of the worst runs in PL history) to be greeted by a rubbish starting line up and a turgid display.

He will never, ever change, it will always be the same. Low risk, low reward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 13, 2016, 04:24:05 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 13, 2016, 03:07:41 PM
You wanted him gone a couple of days ago. You're as schizophrenic as WBAinDevon!  ;D

I want the Tony Pulis we've seen so far gone, I won't get frustrated while we give him the opportunity to change, by doing that, the club will save itself about £1.5 million in compensation & a potential court case. I don't think he can change, it's so ingrained in him, I'm expecting him to fail, but I'll go along with the club if they want to give it a try.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on September 13, 2016, 06:31:09 PM
As much as I hate the turgid dross he serves up I'm surprised people have been so lenient to the leach peace. Several cheap poor appointments coupled with never backing anyone while he waited for the golden egg to hatch.
He can now wonder off to Jersey leaving pulis and Mr lai up pooh creek with an ageing paddle 
Look no further than peace for the mess we are now in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 13, 2016, 06:33:37 PM
Quote from: graka on September 13, 2016, 06:31:09 PM
As much as I hate the turgid dross he serves up I'm surprised people have been so lenient to the leach peace. Several cheap poor appointments coupled with never backing anyone while he waited for the golden egg to hatch.
He can now wonder off to Jersey leaving pulis and Mr lai up rubbish creek with an ageing paddle 
Look no further than peace for the mess we are now in.
that stems from many supporters never knowing anything better than the last 7 years, and being appreciative to peace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on September 13, 2016, 06:50:14 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 13, 2016, 06:33:37 PM
that stems from many supporters never knowing anything better than the last 7 years, and being appreciative to peace.
I had a season ticket from 1982 and went to many away games and watched some absolute dross but I loved it. For me we owe sir gary megson far more than peace for where we are now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 13, 2016, 06:54:24 PM
This is very revealing (from the Albion Assembly):

Hammond said "there are good people doing a good job" but conceded that they were looking to expand and promote a change of direction with more emphasis on areas of the European market.

Asked about his relationship Pulis, Hammond said he had known the head coach for many years and 'respected him as a proper football man who has strong opinions on players'.

He explained that his task was to work with Pulis, give him confidence in the recommendations brought to him and, where possible and beneficial, encourage him to think slightly differently."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on September 13, 2016, 07:12:28 PM
Don`t understand all the peace hatred yes megson is Corberan and did a great job but peace has done a wonderful job of putting club on an even keel we have a wonderful academy a stable premiership club without any debt lots of clubs would love to be in our position I hope the takeover takes us to bigger and better things but sometimes its better the devil you know. JUST my opinion though. Sorry went of pulis thread but just wanted to put my opinion across
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 13, 2016, 07:42:54 PM
Quote from: pollard13 on September 13, 2016, 07:12:28 PM
Don`t understand all the peace hatred yes megson is Corberan and did a great job but peace has done a wonderful job of putting club on an even keel we have a wonderful academy a stable premiership club without any debt lots of clubs would love to be in our position I hope the takeover takes us to bigger and better things but sometimes its better the devil you know. JUST my opinion though. Sorry went of pulis thread but just wanted to put my opinion across

I get what your saying Pollard, but as far as I can tell, keeping debt free is something that occurs when you spend less than what is coming in. We wasnt in huge debt when he 'took over'.

Building stuff that will increase the value of something you already own, with money you essentially inherited don't really tell me he was doing it for the good of me and you 1st and foremost.

But again, it's an opinion, I don't know I'm right, I don't know I'm wrong.

From the evidence I have seen since day one, I draw the conclusion that Peace has always been about Peace.

If good things happened to the club, I bet good things happened for Peace x10.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 13, 2016, 07:44:09 PM
This is also illuminating over the Camacho deal. Confirms what was already clear, that Pulis vetoed the deal:

"Hammond explained that the Malaga midfielder was a historic target who had been subject to detailed reports and was a player Pulis knew well.

He confirmed that Pulis ultimately decided that the player wasn't going to provide what he wanted for the team so the deal didn't progress."

Missed out on a quality player because of Pulis' lack of open-mindedness/xenophobia
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 13, 2016, 07:45:58 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 13, 2016, 07:44:09 PM
This is also illuminating over the Camacho deal. Confirms what was already clear, that Pulis vetoed the deal:

"Hammond explained that the Malaga midfielder was a historic target who had been subject to detailed reports and was a player Pulis knew well.

He confirmed that Pulis ultimately decided that the player wasn't going to provide what he wanted for the team so the deal didn't progress."

Missed out on a quality player because of Pulis' lack of open-mindedness/xenophobia

That's the way I read it to, what possible reason would the manager give in that case?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 13, 2016, 08:29:04 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 13, 2016, 07:44:09 PM
This is also illuminating over the Camacho deal. Confirms what was already clear, that Pulis vetoed the deal:

"Hammond explained that the Malaga midfielder was a historic target who had been subject to detailed reports and was a player Pulis knew well.

He confirmed that Pulis ultimately decided that the player wasn't going to provide what he wanted for the team so the deal didn't progress."

Missed out on a quality player because of Pulis' lack of open-mindedness/xenophobia

His ultimate decision was also very late in the day
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 13, 2016, 09:45:36 PM
Below is an interesting article which I agree with most of:

"Debunking the Tony Pulis Myth - an honest assessment of West Bromwich Albion's current strugglesDebunking the Tony Pulis Myth - an honest assessment of West Bromwich Albion's current struggles

by James Prestridge

The West Brom away following finally turned on Tony Pulis last weekend but many neutrals and pundits still think it would be a mistake to let him go. Let’s put Pulis’ time at West Brom under the microscope and unpack what has really been happening.

The Statistics

The biggest statistic in support of Tony Pulis is that he has never been relegated from the Premier League. Along with his remarkable ability to register clean sheet after clean sheet, his untarnished record is the foundation of any pro-Pulis argument. But recent stats suggest Pulis’ knack for getting results is beginning to fail him.

Albion’s 1-0 opening day win away at Crystal Palace is their only league win in 13 games. This a run that included defeats in home games against soon-to-be relegated Norwich City; struggling Watford; a 3-0 drubbing by West Ham; and a dull draw against newly-promoted Middlesbrough. During these 13 games, Albion have scored six goals, with only of these two of these coming at home. Not to mention, West Brom are yet to score a league goal from open play this season.

Results are the anaesthetic for Pulis’ brand of football, but once they disappear, the pain returns – and it really, really hurts. No other manager would be excused from closer inspection but Pulis escapes it because of the narrative he creates for himself (which will be discussed later) – his knack for survival gives him a seemingly universal pass in the media.

The style of football

Albion fans used to mock Stoke City for their style under Pulis - but now those same fans have to turn up to The Hawthorns every other week with gallows humour. A typical afternoon at The Hawthorns leaves many resorting to finding pleasure in the opposition’s style of play, a sad reality for a club who were once revered for the likes of Laurie Cunningham, Cyrille Regis, Bryan Robson, Zoltan Gera and many other gifted, free-flowing footballers. There may be current players who can excite us but in this current system they are largely anonymous – let’s hope Nacer Chadli doesn’t suffer the same stifling fate. It is difficult to get behind your own team when they only get you out of your seat for set-pieces.

There have been some enjoyable workman-like performances under Pulis, but that shouldn’t be the weekly aim for any tenured Premier League club. Go and read the comments of any Albion-related social-media and you will see trolls calling West Brom an “irrelevant club” or more juvenile equivalents. The painful truth is, Pulis-ball has helped to create that impression of the club, and worse still, it has given it an element of credibility.

Think back to previous managers like Tony Mowbray, Roy Hodgson, Gary Megson, and even Roberto Di Matteo and Steve Clarke, they all had their failings but their styles of football generated a sense belonging - a feeling that West Bromwich Albion Football Club goes beyond results-driven financial spreadsheets. Football for the love and passion of the club – to create a legacy, not a profit. That feeling has been long ebbing away.
 
Straight-talking or politicking?

Pulis press-conferences are like a scene from House of Cards – it wouldn’t be surprising if he broke the fourth wall and, in a Kevin Spacey-esque soliloquy, revealed the true intentions behind his words. The Welshman is just as deliberate with his words as he is with his tactics. He constantly downplays the potential of the club and vaguely builds up a narrative that he has the hardest job in football. There may well be issues behind-the-scenes that won’t come out in the press but fans don’t care for boardroom squabbles – they want results, but will also settle for performances that inspire some semblance of pride. At the moment, Pulis is delivering neither.

After each game, Pulis is asked about his reaction to the fans growing disillusionment, his response is typically evasive. Within the same conversation he will tell reporters that his team played well and worked hard, as he recently did after the appalling cup exit to Northampton Town. It’s always an odd decision to make these statements when there are thousands of frustrated witnesses who can testify against it. Pulis’ talk may still charm the wider-footballing media but Albion fans have already seen through it.

Life after Pulis

It’s always entertaining to hear pundits, like Paul Merson, tell Baggies fans they should be grateful for having Pulis at the helm. It is as though no other manager is capable of keeping a side in the Premier League. And it may well be the case that there aren’t many better options out there beyond Pulis - in terms of Premier League survival.

Championship managers like Chris Hughton and Gary Rowett or even an unemployed option like Steve Bruce may signify a sideways step. But who’s to say the club can’t identify a lesser-known manager to take the club forward? Like when Southampton plucked Mauricio Pochettino from the Spanish League. Of course, you have to be selective to avoid a repeat of the Pepe Mel situation.

Albion fans must not buy into the narrative that the end of Pulis means the end of our Premier League status. This simply isn’t true. Stoke have shown the way: well-selected successor; slow transformation of playing staff and playing style; and importantly investment at board-level. If Albion’s new ownership can plan for this – then there will be the potential for prosperous life after Tony Pulis.

A final thought

This article shouldn’t be misinterpreted as a rallying cry for anti-Pulis chants or boos on Saturday. Get behind the team for 90 minutes against West Ham – the players will need it. And regardless of the result, remember a fact that Pulis likes to bring up himself – this is our club and we will be here long after he is gone."

Source: HITC (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/09/13/debunking-the-tony-pulis-myth-an-honest-assessment-of-west-bromw/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 13, 2016, 10:07:04 PM
It's only saying in 5000 words what people on here have said in 5.

I'd like to wait until the new owner's installed before we do anything. If we can shop at a higher level, I'd like to see Pulis replaced, if we're still shopping at today's level, we might be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: saltnshake on September 13, 2016, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 13, 2016, 07:45:58 PM
That's the way I read it to, what possible reason would the manager give in that case?
Once again the club putting their side of the story , in fairness maybe they should have said who the player Pulis wanted was and what was the reason we didn't get him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Marcus on September 13, 2016, 10:32:54 PM
Think the article is fairly much spot on. The thing that has always bugged me about Pulis and stopped me warming to him is, in my eyes at least, his condescending attitude to Albion as a club. He's never really bought into the club. I appreciate that he may have be given a slightly low ceiling and commercially driven remit by JP, but he's always come across as detached from the club.
He always seems to refer to the Albion as "this club" It's never an "us" or a "we"  It's almost as though brand Pulis is a custodian of brand Albion and therefore bigger by default.

I can appreciate it's just a job to him but compare him to the likes of someone like Klopp.

His style of play is at best  divisive, so his detached and almost arrogant attitude to the club, staff, fans etc really isn't helping his cause.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 13, 2016, 10:38:11 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 13, 2016, 07:45:58 PM
That's the way I read it to, what possible reason would the manager give in that case?
There was a reference in the last couple of days of the window of a preference for a more box to box type midfielder (i.e. Carvalho). A lot of us agree, we badly need a quality box to box player so if that's the way Pulis was thinking, then that is his reason for the veto and it's not without reason.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 13, 2016, 10:45:53 PM
Quote from: Marcus on September 13, 2016, 10:32:54 PM
Think the article is fairly much spot on. The thing that has always bugged me about Pulis and stopped me warming to him is, in my eyes at least, his condescending attitude to Albion as a club. He's never really bought into the club. I appreciate that he may have be given a slightly low ceiling and commercially driven remit by JP, but he's always come across as detached from the club.
He always seems to refer to the Albion as "this club" It's never an "us" or a "we"  It's almost as though brand Pulis is a custodian of brand Albion and therefore bigger by default.

I can appreciate it's just a job to him but compare him to the likes of someone like Klopp.

His style of play is at best  divisive, so his detached and almost arrogant attitude to the club, staff, fans etc really isn't helping his cause.

Yes, I can relate to where you're coming from. It's almost as if Pulis is saying "Yes it's a nice club, but it's not Stoke".

Pretty sure the hierarchy have him sussed now, if he does stay, it will be under our terms, in any event, I think his days as the Tony Pulis we know are over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 13, 2016, 11:42:40 PM
“The important thing for Saido is for him to get himself fit, playing well and scoring goals,” Pulis added
Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/09/13/tony-pulis-pleads-with-west-brom-fans-stick-with-us/#KCsOvVqTpmCTbalI.99

this is from todays online express & star, how is it some players don't get picked because they're not fit yet pulis is saying saido need to get himself fit but gets game time.
is something wrong when the head coach says that about a player who has had a pre season and played in most games this season, I don't get him really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albionden on September 13, 2016, 11:47:44 PM
I wonder , when the takeover is finally completed and Pulis has his 1st formal meeting with the new owners , if he'll swing open the door , walk in and his opening gambit will be " HELLO CHINESE "  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vikingbaggie on September 14, 2016, 05:47:42 AM
I know most people in here already has decided Pulis has to go but I really fear getting rid of him now will not be a smart move....

1. Who should replace him.....
2. Look at Wolves....
3. Getting out of the Championship (should we get relegated) is getting harder every year...

I'm just as tired as everybody else of the football we are playing under Pulis but really fear the outcome of getting rid of him...

Maybe I'm just too old and remember the dark days too well.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 14, 2016, 06:33:56 AM
Quote from: vikingbaggie on September 14, 2016, 05:47:42 AM
I know most people in here already has decided Pulis has to go but I really fear getting rid of him now will not be a smart move....

1. Who should replace him.....
2. Look at Wolves....
3. Getting out of the Championship (should we get relegated) is getting harder every year...

I'm just as tired as everybody else of the football we are playing under Pulis but really fear the outcome of getting rid of him...

Maybe I'm just too old and remember the dark days too well.....

Whats with the comparison between sacking Pulis and the plight of Wolves and how difficult the championship is?

With 1 win in 15/16 games i'd say a closer comparison is KEEPING Pulis and the above two.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 14, 2016, 07:01:16 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 13, 2016, 11:42:40 PM
“The important thing for Saido is for him to get himself fit, playing well and scoring goals,” Pulis added
Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/09/13/tony-pulis-pleads-with-west-brom-fans-stick-with-us/#KCsOvVqTpmCTbalI.99

this is from todays online express & star, how is it some players don't get picked because they're not fit yet pulis is saying saido need to get himself fit but gets game time.
is something wrong when the head coach says that about a player who has had a pre season and played in most games this season, I don't get him really.

Even if a player has had zero fitness  work in pre season they could replicate it working with a fitness trainer  in about three weeks. So from a standing start in August a player would be fit now.

The problem is with Pulis he uses "fitness" or "not up to speed" as his stock answer as to why he isn't playing a player because nobody can challenge that and nor will they blame him for not playing an unfit player. A player that Pulis wants to play will recover a lot quicker from injury than one that he doesn't. I'm watching Morrison's progress with a great deal of interest.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 14, 2016, 07:53:20 AM
With the right manager this squad would be much better than it is. The wrong players on the pitch sometimes and then when they are on in the wrong position. Negative tactics right across the board.

We get great players coming up from our excellent Academy then Tommy Clueless pulverises the skill out of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 14, 2016, 08:28:09 AM
Quote from: vikingbaggie on September 14, 2016, 05:47:42 AM
I know most people in here already has decided Pulis has to go but I really fear getting rid of him now will not be a smart move....

1. Who should replace him.....
2. Look at Wolves....
3. Getting out of the Championship (should we get relegated) is getting harder every year...

I'm just as tired as everybody else of the football we are playing under Pulis but really fear the outcome of getting rid of him...

Maybe I'm just too old and remember the dark days too well.....

To address your points.

1. Who should replace him? That's for another time I'm afraid, forum rules don't allow it.

2. Look at Wolves. Or look at Southampton or Stoke, or Watford even Swansea. All finished above us last season and Stoke, Swansea and Southampton finished above us the season before that too. All are similar sized clubs to us yet none seem to have any trouble attracting flair players and playing better football.

3. Yes getting out of the Championship is hard that's why we should be trying to win games against teams around us to ensure as best we can that we don't end up relegated. Being hard to break down is great if you have the players to then attack with pace we have some pacey players but we are still far too slow to counter attack. We don't create enough chances from open play and when the free kicks and corners don't reap goals what do we do? We draw or lose. So far this season we average 1 point a game so 38 points might be enough to keep us in the premier league but it might not.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 14, 2016, 08:36:30 AM
Quote from: vikingbaggie on September 14, 2016, 05:47:42 AM
I know most people in here already has decided Pulis has to go but I really fear getting rid of him now will not be a smart move....

1. Who should replace him.....
2. Look at Wolves....
3. Getting out of the Championship (should we get relegated) is getting harder every year...

I'm just as tired as everybody else of the football we are playing under Pulis but really fear the outcome of getting rid of him...

Maybe I'm just too old and remember the dark days too well.....
i too am old enough to remember the dark days. Football is a strange game though we once took a gamble on having a player manager(unheard of at the top level at the time)and followed him with a virtual unknown,result,the best teams and football we had played in a long time. Not long afte we appointed a dour European cup winning manager and the slide began !!! To do nothing in our current position would be  a greater sin as the malaise will spread. 1 win in 15 ,no goals from open play in 4 games leads me to believe there is absolutely no guarantee Pulisball will keep us afloat this season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vikingbaggie on September 14, 2016, 08:52:49 AM
Thanks for all the replis. I have to say I agree with most of you. I am ready for a new era and maybe get back the football we used to be renowned for and loved. Just at the same time worried for the consequences should it not work out as we hope...

Guess we some times just has to gamble. None of us knows for sure what this takeover will bring to our club....

Hopefully we'll know a little more during this week....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: newbaggie on September 14, 2016, 04:32:16 PM
Just got back from holiday so have missed a few posts.Has tp ever named  who the five players he wanted were?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 14, 2016, 04:58:17 PM
Quote from: newbaggie on September 14, 2016, 04:32:16 PM
Just got back from holiday so have missed a few posts.Has tp ever named  who the five players he wanted were?
No he hasn't, but no manager would expect to get his 5 top targets, so there would be no point in naming them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on September 14, 2016, 05:18:29 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on September 14, 2016, 08:36:30 AM
i too am old enough to remember the dark days. Football is a strange game though we once took a gamble on having a player manager(unheard of at the top level at the time)and followed him with a virtual unknown,result,the best teams and football we had played in a long time. Not long afte we appointed a dour European cup winning manager and the slide began !!! To do nothing in our current position would be  a greater sin as the malaise will spread. 1 win in 15 ,no goals from open play in 4 games leads me to believe there is absolutely no guarantee Pulisball will keep us afloat this season

The slide began before that,Ron Saunders first job was to trim the wage bill and get in some bargain buys,it failed miserably and to rub salt into the wounds,we had to get rid of Bully and Thompson and a few other first teamers to Wolves :/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on September 14, 2016, 08:39:01 PM
Just a quick question..

Is anyone else thinking we can't attract the players we need, because of the perceived style of play under this manager?

Seriously... would you come here to play in this side?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on September 14, 2016, 09:12:42 PM
You mean Chadli is not a top player then 13mill hmmmm
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on September 14, 2016, 09:28:11 PM
IF the club has decided to get rid of Pullis I hope this time they have started a process of identifying who they want unlike before which compares to our transfer windows. So and this isn't a suggestion mods. They are interest in Huddersfield manager they carry out research now on salary expectations poss back room staff, style of play, character etc full background checks I would expect this to any poss choices
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 14, 2016, 09:58:34 PM
Quote from: dan7heman on September 14, 2016, 08:39:01 PM
Just a quick question..

Is anyone else thinking we can't attract the players we need, because of the perceived style of play under this manager?

Seriously... would you come here to play in this side?

Danny Murphy said the same on 5 live - no attack-minded players are likely to want to sign for Pulis unless we are the only offer on the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 14, 2016, 10:35:13 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on September 14, 2016, 09:58:34 PM
Danny Murphy said the same on 5 live - no attack-minded players are likely to want to sign for Pulis unless we are the only offer on the table.
Nacer Chadli ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: z0011 on September 14, 2016, 10:41:38 PM
Say, we find ourselves amongst the bottom 4 teams by December and either TP walks or gets sacked, which players should we get in January’s transfer window?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 14, 2016, 11:17:39 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on September 14, 2016, 09:58:34 PM
Danny Murphy said the same on 5 live - no attack-minded players are likely to want to sign for Pulis unless we are the only offer on the table.

It's a good point from Murphy but doesn't really hold up in reality, under Pulis we've signed Rondon and Chadli - two good, attacking players. Even Lambert and McManaman had other Premier League suitors after them at the time.

However, it does surprise me a bit when we do get the likes of Rondon and Chadli, it's almost like they're unaware of the setup. Having said that, even though Murphy's point seems void, it also means we must attract defensive players over other teams due to our clean-sheet count...generally I disagree with him based on our evidence though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 14, 2016, 11:33:37 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 14, 2016, 11:17:39 PM
It's a good point from Murphy but doesn't really hold up in reality, under Pulis we've signed Rondon and Chadli - two good, attacking players. Even Lambert and McManaman had other Premier League suitors after them at the time.

However, it does surprise me a bit when we do get the likes of Rondon and Chadli, it's almost like they're unaware of the setup. Having said that, even though Murphy's point seems void, it also means we must attract defensive players over other teams due to our clean-sheet count...generally I disagree with him based on our evidence though.
why has the post above this  got a different title thread? seen this a couple of times lately.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 14, 2016, 11:40:57 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 14, 2016, 11:33:37 PM
why has the post above this  got a different title thread? seen this a couple of times lately.
It's because someone started a new topic which the mods have then merged into an existing one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 14, 2016, 11:43:47 PM
cheers mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BRIAN on September 15, 2016, 07:42:59 AM
Is He on the way out? Rumours say a move to QPR, That we keep a lot of our posters happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Uncle Peter on September 15, 2016, 07:57:42 AM
Quote
Quote from: spencer Baggie on Yesterday at 09:58:34 PM

Danny Murphy said the same on 5 live - no attack-minded players are likely to want to sign for Pulis unless we are the only offer on the table.



Nacer Chadli ?

I think that says a lot about the player too, some players like being a big fish in a little pond. Others like competition for places etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 15, 2016, 08:05:58 AM
This is what I'm holding on to, the hope that one day we will be free from Pulis and a new man can take us forward. I miss the feeling of going to the Hawthorns and enjoying watching our players enjoy their football.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tony-pulis-sacking-stopped-stoke-city-players-walking-out-8846627.html

When Stoke City's striker Kenwyne Jones talks about "sky football" he is not alluding to the company which will televise this afternoon's game at home to Norwich City. The reference is among a stream of disparaging ones about what he calls "the old regime" at the club and the direct style of play they imposed until Tony Pulis's departure in May. Had change not come, Jones claims that he and other players might well have left. Now he is playing for a new contract.

The denunciations, in an otherwise light-hearted visit to a local primary school arranged by the admirable Stoke City Community Trust, are all the more unexpected in that, at 6ft 2in and 13st, Jones might have been regarded as a perfect fit for a style based on long balls, crosses and set-pieces aimed at a big target man. That was presumably why Pulis broke the club record in paying Sunderland £8m for him three years ago, only to discover that inside that giant frame there was a real footballer yearning to get out.

As Jones tells it, the mood in the dressing-room under Mark Hughes sounds remarkably like that of his former club now that Paolo Di Canio has disappeared. "What he's done is lift some of the restrictions we had and brought a new confidence and that freedom to go out there and express ourselves within the philosophy he has. And I think the entire squad has welcomed that. He's given us a lot of confidence and there's a good atmosphere at the club. You're going to learn something new every day. That's going to help you. The set-up has been wonderful and I hope that continues. That's wonderful when you can have that sort of relationship with the manager and coaching staff."

Under that "old regime" – he does not mention Pulis's name once – Jones felt: "It was more or less kick-and-hope. I think team-mates could testify it was very hard to come by chances. If you looked at Stoke's record for chances created in a game, goals scored and shots on goal, it was probably the lowest and that's because we weren't playing the type of football to create chances. We were just basically playing percentages.

"Now it's a good time because as a squad we're able to express ourselves and be free. We're able to try things as footballers. We're not restricted to that regimented 'sky football'. We're playing the game the way it should be played. You would probably not have seen a lot of players at the club this season if the situation had remained the same."

For all the criticism of the unloved old Stoke, there is something to live up to. Pulis, after all, took them into the Premier League, to a Wembley Cup final and into Europe, all the while sitting comfortably in mid-table. But even after bringing in players like Charlie Adam and Steven Nzonzi, he was either unable or unwilling to break the mould and supporters' disenchantment grew.

"We have good footballing players, but we weren't allowed to play football under the last regime, which was a waste of the talent we had in the squad," Jones says. "We have a lot of internationals and good footballers. He [Hughes] might have been surprised that we took to it so quickly, knowing the brand that we used to play before, but I've always believed we had enough in there to play that type of football and we're showing it at the moment."

Results and performances so far back up that conviction. Always strong at the Britannia Stadium – once officially recorded as the noisiest ground in the country – they beat Crystal Palace and should have done the same to Manchester City. Improving on an average of only three away wins per season in Pulis's five Premier League campaigns, however, is a necessity and the signs are encouraging for the long-suffering travelling support. There has already been greater ambition shown in games like a deserved victory at West Ham; a 1-0 defeat at Liverpool when Jonathan Walters missed a penalty in the last minute; and a loss at Arsenal in which Jones claims, "the team came out second half and played wonderfully".

Although defeated – ironically by three of the set-pieces at which they are supposed to excel – he believes the second-half performance showed the world the Potters' new craft: "You've seen how the Arsenals and Swanseas are accustomed to playing that type of football. Some people think it's boring but it gets you chances and better opportunities to score goals and win a game. Sometimes we think we need to rush the game. So it's a bit difficult sometimes making that transition from being more of a 100mph team to maybe a chess team. We're getting that blend slowly but surely, and hopefully we'll get better and better. It's a case of us being confident in what we can do and how we can play, being patient and doing that for 90 minutes."

If the opening gambit is paying off, what of the endgame? Jones agrees with Hughes that a top-10 finish, not achieved at the highest level since 1975, is possible, but must also accept that he needs to score more goals if that is to happen, denying the main striker's role to Peter Crouch.

"Football is a funny game but I'd be disappointed if we don't finish in the top 10 knowing the potential we have. I've set myself a playing target and with that hopefully the goals will come. The way we're playing, it's a bit more conducive to getting chances. I'm very optimistic about the season and how we'll finish."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on September 15, 2016, 08:18:04 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on September 14, 2016, 08:28:09 AM
To address your points.

1. Who should replace him? That's for another time I'm afraid, forum rules don't allow it.
Hi Mods,

Would someone mind explaining this rule please.  I'm asking the question in the greatest respect to the Mods and to the right of the site owner to have whatever rules they want.  I'm not even asking to change the rule, just to understand it.

We have had threads naming possible replacements for our Chairman, scouts, technical directors.  We have lots of threads naming players that we should buy to replace named first team players.  If we can say "we should go for Carvalho, he's better than Fletcher", how is that different from "we should go for Bruce, he's better than Pulis"?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on September 15, 2016, 08:24:24 AM
Quote from: BRIAN on September 15, 2016, 07:42:59 AM
Is He on the way out? Rumours say a move to QPR, That we keep a lot of our posters happy.

Was spotted sitting next to les ferdinand at loftus road on tuesday night
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 15, 2016, 08:42:16 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 15, 2016, 08:05:58 AM
This is what I'm holding on to, the hope that one day we will be free from Pulis and a new man can take us forward. I miss the feeling of going to the Hawthorns and enjoying watching our players enjoy their football.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tony-pulis-sacking-stopped-stoke-city-players-walking-out-8846627.html
Thanks for posting that Lloydy. It's no secret that I was wholly opposed to Pulis's appointment and nothing has happened during his time here which has made me change my view. The only thing that could have done is the ultimately specious "no-one else could have kept us up argument", which is very easy to trot out but impossible to prove one way or the other.

I posted previously about the obvious affection that existed for both Mowbray and Mel, which indicates to me that a majority of Albion fans want to see their side playing attacking football. If there is to be a managerial change soon (I've got everything crossed), let's hope Messrs Lai and Williams recognise this and make a positive new appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 15, 2016, 09:20:41 AM
Hopefully the ownership issue should be resolved today.

If, as a consequence, the new regime decides they want to see a more attractive style of football, we will have to move from a low risk/dour style to a low risk/attractive style head coach. Which in turn will mean moving up a financial reward level.

IMO, if a new appointment is made, whoever is chosen will benchmark what we can expect from the Guochuan Lai dynasty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 15, 2016, 09:42:43 AM
If the new regime do intend to part company with Pulis then I would imagine that the new man would be ready willing and able to step in straight away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 15, 2016, 10:10:00 AM
I agree John,

Maybe the interim appointment will be more about function than flair, but as or when the new guy comes in it will tell you in  some part at least what brand of football we may adopt, a big name isn't the be all for me, just somebody that can produce stuff worth watching.

Not that you will be interested, but I have my St Andrews flag flying and going to settle down and watch Zulu dawn and learn how Chard who was in charge of them done the number!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 15, 2016, 10:37:33 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 15, 2016, 10:10:00 AM
I agree John,

Maybe the interim appointment will be more about function than flair, but as or when the new guy comes in it will tell you in  some part at least what brand of football we may adopt, a big name isn't the be all for me, just somebody that can produce stuff worth watching.

Not that you will be interested, but I have my St Andrews flag flying and going to settle down and watch Zulu dawn and learn how Chard who was in charge of them done the number!!

Well off topic, but if you want to discuss anything military, glosterbaggie is you man. Very knowledgeable about tactics etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 15, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
Have I woke up in some strange parallel vortex? Jim and John seem to be agreeing with each other!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 15, 2016, 10:45:52 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 15, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
Have I woke up in some strange parallel vortex? Jim and John seem to be agreeing with each other!

Lasted about 2 minutes!!! Then he disagreed!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 15, 2016, 10:46:11 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 15, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
Have I woke up in some strange parallel vortex? Jim and John seem to be agreeing with each other!

I think they may have got a room  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 15, 2016, 10:50:05 AM
Read somewhere that the Wally with the brolly doesn't want to coach anymore but wants to run a club from board room level. Like pulis he's respected by footballing people, hope we keep well away
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 15, 2016, 10:57:48 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 15, 2016, 10:45:52 AM
Lasted about 2 minutes!!! Then he disagreed!!!

You two are worse than Syria.........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 15, 2016, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 15, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
Have I woke up in some strange parallel vortex? Jim and John seem to be agreeing with each other!
You remember the famous Brian Clough quote "“We talk about it for 20 minutes and then we decide I was right”   :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on September 15, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 15, 2016, 10:10:00 AM
I agree John,

Maybe the interim appointment will be more about function than flair, but as or when the new guy comes in it will tell you in  some part at least what brand of football we may adopt, a big name isn't the be all for me, just somebody that can produce stuff worth watching.

Not that you will be interested, but I have my St Andrews flag flying and going to settle down and watch Zulu dawn and learn how Chard who was in charge of them done the number!!

Great dialogue:

Private: "Why us, sarge?"

Sargeant: "Because we're here, son."

That's probably what our players feel like just before KO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on September 15, 2016, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: mulliganstired on September 15, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
Great dialogue:

Private: "Why us, sarge?"

Sargeant: "Because we're here, son."

That's probably what our players feel like just before KO.

I believe that's from Zulu & not Zulu Dawn. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 15, 2016, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 15, 2016, 11:33:20 AM
You remember the famous Brian Clough quote "“We talk about it for 20 minutes and then we decide I was right”   :)

👍👍👍

Or did I mean ,,,,,

👎👎👎?!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 15, 2016, 11:52:40 AM
Quote from: geoff on September 15, 2016, 11:44:39 AM
I believe that's from Zulu & not Zulu Dawn. ;)
Just beat me to it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on September 15, 2016, 11:56:31 AM
QPR want Tony! Can we get hold of Pete sharpish, he knows the way!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on September 15, 2016, 12:00:25 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on September 15, 2016, 11:56:31 AM
QPR want Tony! Can we get hold of Pete sharpish, he knows the way!

There is no way TP would leave to go QPR, regardless of peoples thoughts on him here, if he is to leave/be sacked he would get another premier league job before the end of the year in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 15, 2016, 12:06:20 PM
And........ your back in the room

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-broms-tony-pulis-qpr-11890116
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 15, 2016, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 15, 2016, 11:50:47 AM
👍👍👍

Or did I mean ,,,,,

👎👎👎?!!!

Ha ha the Westbrom.com Jim/ John soap opera is more entertaining than the team at the moment - not difficult I guess ha ha
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 15, 2016, 01:09:22 PM
I wonder why he was at QPR? Scouting some more Championship fodder for us to try and sign?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2016, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 15, 2016, 01:09:22 PM
I wonder why he was at QPR? Scouting some more Championship fodder for us to try and sign?

They were playing Newcastle to be fair. They've got a few that would improve us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 15, 2016, 01:41:45 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2016, 01:29:27 PM
They were playing Newcastle to be fair. They've got a few that would improve us.

Indeed but we'd have to be prepared to pay daft money to sign them. I couldn't see anyone wanting to leave Newcastle to join us at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 15, 2016, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 15, 2016, 01:09:22 PM
I wonder why he was at QPR? Scouting some more Championship fodder for us to try and sign?
Wanted to see some goals and entertainment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 15, 2016, 02:07:23 PM
Article in the Times suggesting QPR might want him as manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 15, 2016, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on September 15, 2016, 02:07:23 PM
Article in the Times suggesting QPR might want him as manager.


I can't see him taking a club up, once with the clay heads years ago, but it's so different now.

Keep QPR up (if they get there),  he's your (why can you write y er) man.

I think if Pulis stays the full season, with what we have now, I think we will finish 13th-17th.

If Pulis had this squad of players in the championship I think we would finish 13th-17th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: shortybaggies on September 15, 2016, 02:12:32 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 15, 2016, 01:54:46 PM
Wanted to see some goals and entertainment.

Rumours that he has taking a look at Shelvey before January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 15, 2016, 03:08:48 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 15, 2016, 02:11:08 PM

I can't see him taking a club up, once with the clay heads years ago, but it's so different now.

Keep QPR up (if they get there),  he's your (why can you write y er) man.

I think if Pulis stays the full season, with what we have now, I think we will finish 13th-17th.

If Pulis had this squad of players in the championship I think we would finish 13th-17th.
Agree Jim, you have to win games to get promoted, playing not to lose is no good at all and would see a mid table finish in pretty much any league. Too many draws.

As for us, nothing to suggest 17th is the limit any more, so I would say somewhere between 13th and 20th. Although he would almost certainly be sacked before getting relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jharman292 on September 15, 2016, 05:55:50 PM
Quote
I am excited to have the opportunity to support the Club’s Chairman, John Williams, and the team in building the Club over the years ahead.”

I am convinced that Pulis's name would be in this sentence somewhere if he was staying.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 15, 2016, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on September 15, 2016, 02:07:23 PM
Article in the Times suggesting QPR might want him as manager.
How much compensation might we get if we allow them, very reluctantly of course, to talk to him and then appoint him  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on September 15, 2016, 06:12:22 PM
tony doesnt appear to be mentioned in the club statement (although i havent watched the vid) - if the plan was for him to stay presumably they would make more of it in terms of "supporting the manager". Has anyone watched the vid / come to a different conclusion? Just one "thank you" to tony in the statement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 15, 2016, 06:21:34 PM
Quote from: Doobuy on September 15, 2016, 06:12:22 PM
tony doesnt appear to be mentioned in the club statement (although i havent watched the vid) - if the plan was for him to stay presumably they would make more of it in terms of "supporting the manager". Has anyone watched the vid / come to a different conclusion? Just one "thank you" to tony in the statement.
Do you mean the video from August 5th? I would imagine that things have moved on a fair bit since then, as there was little sign of the fractious relationship at that point that's now become apparent between Pulis and Williams/Hammond.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on September 15, 2016, 07:03:41 PM
i meant the statement made today on takeover
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2016, 07:07:38 PM
Quote from: Doobuy on September 15, 2016, 07:03:41 PM
i meant the statement made today on takeover

There's no new video, only the short written statement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 15, 2016, 07:19:18 PM
Quote from: jharman292 on September 15, 2016, 05:55:50 PM
I am convinced that Pulis's name would be in this sentence somewhere if he was staying.


Mr Lai, & Jeremy Peace before him are responsible for determining the strategy of the football club. i.e. - Where do we ant the club to be.

John Williams, is responsible for understanding the strategy, & putting an environment in place to make it happen.

Tony Pulis & his team are responsible for devising the tactics to make it happen.

So  it's not surprising that, at a changeover of strategy players, the tactical players are not mentioned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 15, 2016, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 15, 2016, 07:19:18 PM

Mr Lai, & Jeremy Peace before him are responsible for determining the strategy of the football club. i.e. - Where do we ant the club to be.

John Williams, is responsible for understanding the strategy, & putting an environment in place to make it happen.

Tony Pulis & his team are responsible for devising the tactics to make it happen.

So  it's not surprising that, at a changeover of strategy players, the tactical players are not mentioned.

I've thought about this and it's either a case of Pulis being down the pecking order as you say John or it's a case of not wanting to commit too much to making Pulis in his opening statement as owner , like say the Wolves owners did, who looked daft when they praised Jackett only to sack him soon after.

I think we've have more idea what the future brings in say a months time ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 15, 2016, 10:35:38 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 15, 2016, 10:05:57 PM
I've thought about this and it's either a case of Pulis being down the pecking order as you say John or it's a case of not wanting to commit too much to making Pulis in his opening statement as owner , like say the Wolves owners did, who looked daft when they praised Jackett only to sack him soon after.

I think we've have more idea what the future brings in say a months time ?
In a month's time our next 4 games will be Spurs (H), Liverpool (A), Man City (H) and Leicester (A). If Pulis is to go, it wouldn't be fair on the new incumbent for him to start off with those games. In my view, it would be better for action to be taken after the West Ham game, so that the next manager gets the Stoke and Sunderland games to settle in, followed by an international break.

As things stand, I can see us not winning any of the next 7 games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 15, 2016, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 15, 2016, 10:35:38 PM
In a month's time our next 4 games will be Spurs (H), Liverpool (A), Man City (H) and Leicester (A). If Pulis is to go, it wouldn't be fair on the new incumbent for him to start off with those games. In my view, it would be better for action to be taken after the West Ham game, so that the next manager gets the Stoke and Sunderland games to settle in, followed by an international break.

As things stand, I can see us not winning any of the next 7 games.

Bet we do! ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 15, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 15, 2016, 10:56:17 PM
Bet we do! ;)

I'm with you pearl! We will get points from these games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 16, 2016, 02:08:20 AM
We are talking about Pulis.
Is it just down to him that we have some players who wont put a shift in?
Can anyone name a player who is a "game changer"?
Have the training staff trained all the ideas and skills out of our players?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 16, 2016, 08:38:27 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on September 16, 2016, 02:08:20 AM
We are talking about Pulis.
Is it just down to him that we have some players who wont put a shift in?
Can anyone name a player who is a "game changer"?
Have the training staff trained all the ideas and skills out of our players?

If the focus is entirely on defensive shape and there are plenty of reports that suggest that is the case is it is any surprise when the players start to act as defensive drones and the longer they work with the Coach the less fluent and more lumbering they become in possession.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 16, 2016, 08:58:23 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 15, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
I'm with you pearl! We will get points from these games

Points have never been problem. Pulis will guarentee you 42 pts a season.

It's the pooh football that's the problem.

He's speaking to the press at 9am. #Pulisout
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 16, 2016, 11:01:02 AM
What an endearing bloke.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/546016/Tony-Pulis-West-Brom-going-nowhere-Premier-League-fans-can-boo-rumours-gossip-news (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/546016/Tony-Pulis-West-Brom-going-nowhere-Premier-League-fans-can-boo-rumours-gossip-news)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 11:06:28 AM
He's going nowhere. As predicted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on September 16, 2016, 11:07:18 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 16, 2016, 11:01:02 AM
What an endearing bloke.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/546016/Tony-Pulis-West-Brom-going-nowhere-Premier-League-fans-can-boo-rumours-gossip-news (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/546016/Tony-Pulis-West-Brom-going-nowhere-Premier-League-fans-can-boo-rumours-gossip-news)

Interestingly, the headline is different to what he is quoted to have actually said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on September 16, 2016, 11:07:18 AM
Interestingly, the headline is different to what he is quoted to have actually said.

Strange that, you know with it being that bastion of journalism the Daily Star...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 16, 2016, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 11:06:28 AM
He's going nowhere. As predicted.
Don't you think it's a bit early to be claiming that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 01:19:43 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 16, 2016, 12:07:28 PM
Don't you think it's a bit early to be claiming that?

No I'm pretty confident.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on September 16, 2016, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on September 16, 2016, 12:07:28 PM
Don't you think it's a bit early to be claiming that?

Aint really much else he can say really. Cant imagine he would do a press conference and say 'I will happily leave if they pay me off.'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 16, 2016, 01:39:36 PM
 Dead man walking in my book.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on September 16, 2016, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on September 16, 2016, 01:39:36 PM
Dead man walking in my book.


Agreed, he won't last long. Mr Lai is going to want to promote his interest, he's not going to get far with Pulis in charge, there's no positive image to work with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on September 16, 2016, 02:01:37 PM
 Chinese dont like loss of face or respect. Once he sees the fans have little or less for Pulis ............
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 16, 2016, 06:33:30 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 01:19:43 PM
No I'm pretty confident.

As confident as you were that Leicester would lose every game in their Champions League group?

Forgive us for taking your predictions with a pinch of salt, Mystic Meg.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 06:58:29 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 16, 2016, 06:33:30 PM
As confident as you were that Leicester would lose every game in their Champions League group?

Forgive us for taking your predictions with a pinch of salt, Mystic Meg.

Was expecting a tougher group to be fair  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 16, 2016, 07:56:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 06:58:29 PM
Was expecting a tougher group to be fair  :D

Give you that one Jacko, Bruges were awful defensively.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 16, 2016, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 11:06:28 AM
He's going nowhere. As predicted.
Like Delph?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on September 16, 2016, 09:43:26 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 16, 2016, 06:33:30 PM
As confident as you were that Leicester would lose every game in their Champions League group?

Forgive us for taking your predictions with a pinch of salt, Mystic Meg.

I'm guessing you don't do the Lottery very often, Jacko. Your history of predictions on here as been....lets say....of the dubious nature lol :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 11:10:34 PM
Quote from: johnnyg on September 16, 2016, 09:43:26 PM
I'm guessing you don't do the Lottery very often, Jacko. Your history of predictions on here as been....lets say....of the dubious nature lol :)

Lucky Dip mate  ;)

Leicester have won a game against a team worse than us. If that makes me a bad tipster so be it. I'm doing alright in the Fantasy Football in the General board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 11:31:00 PM
http://talksport.com/football/i-wont-be-leaving-tony-pulis-insists-he-will-honour-west-brom-contract-160916210281 (http://talksport.com/football/i-wont-be-leaving-tony-pulis-insists-he-will-honour-west-brom-contract-160916210281)

Only TalkSport but sounds like good news?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 16, 2016, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 11:31:00 PM
http://talksport.com/football/i-wont-be-leaving-tony-pulis-insists-he-will-honour-west-brom-contract-160916210281 (http://talksport.com/football/i-wont-be-leaving-tony-pulis-insists-he-will-honour-west-brom-contract-160916210281)

Only TalkSport but sounds like good news?

To be fair Jacko he was never going to be leaving by his own accord, those who said so gave no thought to his situation (either post massive court loss or his "brand"). He's going to be fired. It's just a matter of time. If (it's a massive if in my opinion) he stays till the end of the season you get to be all smug and do the i told you so dance. But he won't, he'll be gone by November.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on September 16, 2016, 11:33:34 PM
To be fair Jacko he was never going to be leaving by his own accord, those who said so gave no thought to his situation (either post massive court loss or his "brand"). He's going to be fired. It's just a matter of time. If (it's a massive if in my opinion) he stays till the end of the season you get to be all smug and do the i told you so dance. But he won't, he'll be gone by November.

That famous internet line...

We'll have to agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 16, 2016, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 11:31:00 PM
http://talksport.com/football/i-wont-be-leaving-tony-pulis-insists-he-will-honour-west-brom-contract-160916210281 (http://talksport.com/football/i-wont-be-leaving-tony-pulis-insists-he-will-honour-west-brom-contract-160916210281)

Only TalkSport but sounds like good news?
How is that good news? He said he won't leave , he won't need to leave after tomorrow, if we play rubbish which we will loads of empty seats toxic atmosphere do you really think that is what the new owner want's to see?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 17, 2016, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: albion59 on September 16, 2016, 11:39:36 PM
How is that good news? He said he won't leave , he won't need to leave after tomorrow, if we play rubbish which we will loads of empty seats toxic atmosphere do you really think that is what the new owner want's to see?

Sacking him before January would be a joke decision.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 17, 2016, 05:24:32 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 17, 2016, 12:35:07 AM
Sacking him before January would be a joke decision.
Yes it would Jacko, but some on here don't get it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 17, 2016, 05:37:36 AM
I cannot see the Albion sacking TP as that would involve pay outs etc. Likewise I certainly cannot see him walking as that will probably involve him losing out. However, as demonstrated by the away support last week the fans are now getting vocal, and with a few further servings of the dire fare we are currently having to endure, it won't be long until that boils over.

Personally I believe that TP will shortly have plenty of time on his hands to tidy up his garden and make sure all of his bulbs are in for next spring. At the end of June he will be in a position to look for another job.

This happened to Alan Irvine, I hear his garden is in excellent order.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 17, 2016, 07:09:55 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on September 17, 2016, 05:24:32 AM
Yes it would Jacko, but some on here don't get it.

Well it would depend how bad form and results were? If the form of the past 15 games continued we might need to replace earlier to give us a chance of survival and for a new man to assess the squad before an overhaul in January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on September 17, 2016, 07:46:18 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 link=topic=
15324.msg494240#msg494240 date=1474068835
Sacking him before January would be a joke decision.

I certainly want him out, but I agree with you that it would be wrong to do it before January.  He's far more likely to grind out points with this squad.   Wholesale change in January is vital, but let's get as many points as possible before then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 17, 2016, 08:03:43 AM
Quote from: darbolina on September 17, 2016, 07:09:55 AM
Well it would depend how bad form and results were? If the form of the past 15 games continued we might need to replace earlier to give us a chance of survival and for a new man to assess the squad before an overhaul in January.
Yes, it's imperative that a new incumbent should have the chance to assess the squad before the next transfer window opens, so keeping Pulis until January would make no sense in my view. We also couldn't (shouldn't) sack him regardless later in the season, it has to be based on bad results, which is where we are now with 1 win in 14 games. If we lose today, even Jacko would be hard pushed to put a positive spin on it (although I'm sure he'll find a way), whether you take into account the run at the end of last season or not.

What is for certain is that we can't stagger on until January with the level of discord with Pulis amongst the fans that now exists, as that would make for a toxic atmosphere that's no good for anyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 08:30:12 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 11:31:00 PM
http://talksport.com/football/i-wont-be-leaving-tony-pulis-insists-he-will-honour-west-brom-contract-160916210281 (http://talksport.com/football/i-wont-be-leaving-tony-pulis-insists-he-will-honour-west-brom-contract-160916210281)

Only TalkSport but sounds like good news?

You cannot surely see TP as a long term answer at WBA Jacko? He's done a good job while he's been here as a relatively low cost/low risk head coach. If the new regime have any ambition at all, we have to move to a higher cost/low risk model, & one that fits into a continental style of management. Pulis ticks none of those boxes.
Personally, I think we'll stick with him until January at the latest, to sound out a replacement, then we'll move him on. He's set the criteria himself by saying that JP employed him to keep us in the Prem within a budget, if it looks as though, we might be in danger of losing that status, there are grounds for dismissal on performance.
IMO his "chat" with John Williams gave him an opportunity to operate as head coach, within a continental style system, his rhetoric since then suggests to me that he's uncomfortable with it.
Think it's just a question of when.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 17, 2016, 09:20:10 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 17, 2016, 12:35:07 AM
Sacking him before January would be a joke decision.

Really ?
Might be the only real decision if things continue to decline in performances and attendances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 17, 2016, 09:33:40 AM
Catch 22 situation and depends what the owners plans are for Albion as a 'brand'

I think the new owners would look loose cannons if they come in and sack him straight away, i would think he has at least 5 or 6 games to see how things go.

If the results are poor in that period then could see him being sacked, if they are going as they are now i think that will be a key moment of what they have planned because its win, lose, draw and that would keep you in the league, if they are happy with that and thats the plan regardless of the football then they may as well keep him. However if they want us to progress and adopt a more entertaining approach for the 'brand' then he isnt the answer.

On the flipside if we are going well, it would be hard to justify sacking him at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 17, 2016, 09:37:07 AM
I want him out, if they make a statement about "moving forward,attractive style,investment in players",then unveil someone like AVB or pellegrini then I think they get the fans and there would be a wave of optimism, if they do nothing then we slowly crash against a crumbling wall
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 09:41:04 AM
Zippyandbungle.... those are my two who i'd be looking at also!! If they could get pellegrini then that would be the one for me  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 17, 2016, 09:50:33 AM
It's the business as usual bit that bothers me !!  We've had enough of that dull, risk adverse, penny pinching mantra with Peace and his cronies.  That won't grow the brand - it fact it will continue to drive the brand into the ground as more and more people take less and less active interest (attending games, buying merchandise etc).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 17, 2016, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 17, 2016, 09:37:07 AM
I want him out, if they make a statement about "moving forward,attractive style,investment in players",then unveil someone like AVB or pellegrini then I think they get the fans and there would be a wave of optimism, if they do nothing then we slowly crash against a crumbling wall

And if the new manager lost the next five games .com would be in melt down.

Jacko is correct, sacking TP would be folly, managerial change needs careful and considered thoughts and process, not hot headed actions and reactions from those on football message boards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 17, 2016, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 17, 2016, 09:57:31 AM
And if the new manager lost the next five games .com would be in melt down.

Jacko is correct, sacking TP would be folly, managerial change needs careful and considered thoughts and process, not hot headed actions and reactions from those on football message boards.

and if TP loses the next 5 games, were f*cked and going to be trying to catch up for the rest of the season.

If pulis was playing poor football but still getting good results then yes, sacking him now would be stupid but when someones playing poor football and still loosing, whats the point keeping him? ("sacking him would be dangerous so we will keep him to keep the fans moaning and still not get any decent results then replace him and give the new manager an harder job" - is that what we really want to see happen?)

When you have teams like northampton, boro, bournemouth making us look below average.... how can you have any faith when it comes to the likes of west ham, l'pool, spurs, city etc etc that have alot better players that can cause us alot more problems?

Just can't think of a single reason the club would benefit from keeping him here
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 17, 2016, 10:17:41 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 17, 2016, 09:57:31 AM
And if the new manager lost the next five games .com would be in melt down.

Jacko is correct, sacking TP would be folly, managerial change needs careful and considered thoughts and process, not hot headed actions and reactions from those on football message boards.
It's hardly hot-headed. Pulis has delivered the mind-numbing dross we expected from Day 1 and is no longer even delivering the results to go with it. When do you think most managerial changes take place?

The evidence at Bournemouth last week shows that the fans have turned. Once that happens, their general attitude usually gets worse rather than better, so not making a change in such an atmopshere is what actually would be folly. Seeing such discord from the fans at the start of his tenure certainly won't be what Mr Lai wants to see, so some brave decisions needs to be made.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 17, 2016, 11:15:00 AM
How many times has Pulis lost more than two games on the bounce, I agree that we are nearing the time for change, but I disagree about the timescale to achieve that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 17, 2016, 11:20:34 AM
Quote from: AlbionBest on September 17, 2016, 09:50:33 AM
It's the business as usual bit that bothers me !!  We've had enough of that dull, risk adverse, penny pinching mantra with Peace and his cronies.  That won't grow the brand - it fact it will continue to drive the brand into the ground as more and more people take less and less active interest (attending games, buying merchandise etc).

I know he said that, but I'm not convinced that Lai and his partners would buy a Premiership Club and be content to just tread water. It's not The Chinese Way.

Damn, now I've got a Level 42 track in my head. Stadium chant anyone?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elminius on September 17, 2016, 11:23:44 AM
Im with you on that but how will we get the bass in for the mark king solo? ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 11:33:04 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 17, 2016, 09:57:31 AM
And if the new manager lost the next five games .com would be in melt down.

Jacko is correct, sacking TP would be folly, managerial change needs careful and considered thoughts and process, not hot headed actions and reactions from those on football message boards.

With the greatest of respect, if they're leaving it until now to go through those thought processes, JP's picked the wrong buyer. IMO everything is in place, it's just a matter of timing.
We're not allowed to mention names, but two names mentioned earlier in this thread, would be the quality I'd expect as a result of the acquisition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 17, 2016, 11:37:07 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 11:33:04 AM
With the greatest of respect, if they're leaving it until now to go through those thought processes, JP's picked the wrong buyer. IMO everything is in place, it's just a matter of timing.
We're not allowed to mention names, but two names mentioned earlier in this thread, would be the quality I'd expect as a result of the acquisition.

With you on this one John. They are not stupid......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 17, 2016, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 11:33:04 AM
With the greatest of respect, if they're leaving it until now to go through those thought processes, JP's picked the wrong buyer. IMO everything is in place, it's just a matter of timing.
We're not allowed to mention names, but two names mentioned earlier in this thread, would be the quality I'd expect as a result of the acquisition.

Our track record at organising managerial change has not been great, I hope we make a better fist of future changes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 11:41:02 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 17, 2016, 11:37:47 AM
Our track record at organising managerial change has not been great, I hope we make a better fist of future changes.

You mean Jeremy Peace's track record, but we're not owned by Jeremy Peace, & anybody who can turn a garden centre business into a multi billion pound landscaping business will do for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Plastic Paddy on September 17, 2016, 11:42:29 AM
Whilst I agree he should go, we can't sack him until we have played the Clayheads next weekend as he seems to be the only manager over the last 20 years who can beat them  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 17, 2016, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: Plastic Paddy on September 17, 2016, 11:42:29 AM
Whilst I agree he should go, we can't sack him until we have played the Clayheads next weekend as he seems to be the only manager over the last 20 years who can beat them  ;)

And I think Stoke will be the actual game when the decision is made... just a feeling.

If we win today BTW I must admit I'll be amazed - but I would never want us to drop points to get rid...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 17, 2016, 11:52:07 AM
Just curious if anyone knows how to find out how many games we have won in the year of 2016.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 11:54:47 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 17, 2016, 11:52:07 AM
Just curious if anyone knows how to find out how many games we have won in the year of 2016.

go to os fixtures tab.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 17, 2016, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 11:54:47 AM
go to os fixtures tab.

By my count it is 6, not including pre season friendlies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on September 17, 2016, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 17, 2016, 11:52:07 AM
Just curious if anyone knows how to find out how many games we have won in the year of 2016.

5 in the league, plus an FA cup replay against Bristol City so 6 in total. 4 of those wins were in January and February.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/results (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/results)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 17, 2016, 03:54:23 PM
I'm convinced he's taking the urine out of us. How can Pulis claim to not have the players to play attacking football and dish up the dross week in week out yet today he sends out a team clearly with instructions to attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 17, 2016, 03:56:29 PM
Why on earth does he need to be in fear of his job before we play like this?

Away to top 8 teams and home to top 4 I'm happy with his way of playing. It's a sound plan. At home to all other teams and home or away against a struggling team we need to attack. 3-0 to Albion and i love it (huge credit to that great save by Foster at 1-0). I'm writing this at half time in case it all goes wrong.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 17, 2016, 04:42:53 PM
Quote from: BB74 on September 17, 2016, 03:54:23 PM
I'm convinced he's taking the urine out of us. How can Pulis claim to not have the players to play attacking football and dish up the dross week in week out yet today he sends out a team clearly with instructions to attack.

Well it's clearly not a Northampton performance. I know he's been able to make changes but this is pure chrysalis type change!!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 05:02:26 PM
Currently 8th. 7 points from 5. Positive goal difference. Creating many more chances than last season.

#Pulisout.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 17, 2016, 05:03:52 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 05:02:26 PM
Currently 8th. 7 points from 5. Positive goal difference. Creating mmany more chances than last season.

#Pulisout.

If we play something like this in most of our games we'd all love him. But we don't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 17, 2016, 05:05:50 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 05:02:26 PM
Currently 8th. 7 points from 5. Positive goal difference. Creating many more chances than last season.

#Pulisout.

With all respect, we've had a fairly easy start to the season. I'll judge him more after the next 5 games before any more judgements.

What I do like about Pulis is his ability to get wins when they're needed, he always seems to find a way. I was very despondent after the Bournemouth game but I suppose this is what seperates him from other managers, he just gets a shock result from nowhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 05:06:54 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on September 17, 2016, 05:03:52 PM
If we play something like this in most of our games we'd all love him. But we don't.

We should get a manager like Bilic.

Had one good season off the back of Big Sam's hard work and then they fall apart. Like our Clark season after Hodgson.

He won't be able to turn them around no matter how much he spends or how many he brings in. He'll be sacked.

We are lucky to have Pulis.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 05:10:58 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 17, 2016, 05:05:50 PM
With all respect, we've had a fairly easy start to the season. I'll judge him more after the next 5 games before any more judgements.

What I do like about Pulis is his ability to get wins when they're needed, he always seems to find a way. I was very despondent after the Bournemouth game but I suppose this is what seperates him from other managers, he just gets a shock result from nowhere.

I could argue we hadn't got Chadli in most of those games, we were fielding kids at times.

Everton will do very well this season and there are no easy games in the premiership and we beat Arsenal and United last season. Took points of Tottenham and Chelsea.

All the stats show we have improved performance wise. Our fans have just transformed into West Ham fan's under Big Sam. Embarrassing and cliché.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cheesyknackers on September 17, 2016, 05:18:05 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 05:10:58 PM
I could argue we hadn't got Chadli in most of those games, we were fielding kids at times.

Everton will do very well this season and there are no easy games in the premiership and we beat Arsenal and United last season. Took points of Tottenham and Chelsea.

All the stats show we have improved performance wise. Our fans have just transformed into West Ham fan's under Big Sam. Embarrassing and cliché.

totally agree
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: don1thedon on September 17, 2016, 05:20:25 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on September 17, 2016, 03:56:29 PM
... I'm writing this at half time in case it all goes wrong..... ...
That made me chuckle!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on September 17, 2016, 05:37:11 PM
We normally get a few decent results against the so called bigger teams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 17, 2016, 05:38:37 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 17, 2016, 09:37:07 AM
I want him out, if they make a statement about "moving forward,attractive style,investment in players",then unveil someone like AVB or pellegrini then I think they get the fans and there would be a wave of optimism, if they do nothing then we slowly crash against a crumbling wall

I'm pretty sure AVB isn't known for his free flowing football when at Spurs or at Zenit....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 17, 2016, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 17, 2016, 05:38:37 PM
I'm pretty sure AVB isn't known for his free flowing football when at Spurs or at Zenit....

Failed twice in this League.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on September 17, 2016, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on September 17, 2016, 05:05:50 PM
With all respect, we've had a fairly easy start to the season. I'll judge him more after the next 5 games before any more judgements.

What I do like about Pulis is his ability to get wins when they're needed, he always seems to find a way. I was very despondent after the Bournemouth game but I suppose this is what seperates him from other managers, he just gets a shock result from nowhere.
Easy start on paper how many of these games did we win last season substitute vile for boro and last season we got 2pts i believe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 17, 2016, 05:51:44 PM
Well done TP, well done lads, and no sign of the team not playing for TP. COME ON feck em all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: NathWBA on September 17, 2016, 06:23:41 PM
Has there been any post match interview from him? Not seen anything yet
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 06:30:24 PM
Quote from: NathWBA on September 17, 2016, 06:23:41 PM
Has there been any post match interview from him? Not seen anything yet

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/10582529/west-brom-4-2-west-ham-pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 17, 2016, 06:49:52 PM
I think for the next 2 games, 4 points will be  great to get. Stoke's defense is West Ham lite so maybe we can nab a winner there but I don't expect us to beat Moyes' Sunderland so a draw will be disappointing but expected.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on September 17, 2016, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 06:30:24 PM
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/10582529/west-brom-4-2-west-ham-pulis


How was the support for the lads and Pulis today?
Seems like he can't win whatever he does,
Shame really, dread to think who will be in the pipeline,
Who available could really improve on Pulis at this moment in time AND guarantee survival
( which, if anyone who would be happy with relegation just to see the back of TP needs to give their head a wobble)
We need to improve our support big time, no wonder our players dont seem to have much of an affinity or relationship with us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 07:32:02 PM
Quote from: section5 on September 17, 2016, 07:01:03 PM

How was the support for the lads and Pulis today?


I was there, & can only speak for myself.

For me, 100% for the players, quite a few came up to the plate today, especially Chali & Rondom.

I get the feeling Pulis got dragged along
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on September 17, 2016, 07:38:38 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 06:30:24 PM
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/10582529/west-brom-4-2-west-ham-pulis

Also here, a bit longer interview

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37398116

I notice he said we have lost Saido. I wish sometimes the club didn't come out and say things like that. It can only build angst against the player and then the player is likely to have the wedge between them and club furthered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on September 17, 2016, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: mateinone on September 17, 2016, 07:38:38 PM
Also here, a bit longer interview

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37398116

I notice he said we have lost Saido. I wish sometimes the club didn't come out and say things like that. It can only build angst against the player and then the player is likely to have the wedge between them and club furthered.
Not sure how much further apart they could be its well rumoured he wants to sign for a foreign club in January  for a short contract and then sign for a premier club in the summer thus doing the club out of millions in compensation, i personally wouldn't even have him training with the first team squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 17, 2016, 07:46:12 PM
Quote from: mateinone on September 17, 2016, 07:38:38 PM
Also here, a bit longer interview

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37398116

I notice he said we have lost Saido. I wish sometimes the club didn't come out and say things like that. It can only build angst against the player and then the player is likely to have the wedge between them and club furthered.
Sometimes the truth comes out as can no longer be concealed?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 17, 2016, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 08:30:12 AM
You cannot surely see TP as a long term answer at WBA Jacko? He's done a good job while he's been here as a relatively low cost/low risk head coach. If the new regime have any ambition at all, we have to move to a higher cost/low risk model, & one that fits into a continental style of management. Pulis ticks none of those boxes.
Personally, I think we'll stick with him until January at the latest, to sound out a replacement, then we'll move him on. He's set the criteria himself by saying that JP employed him to keep us in the Prem within a budget, if it looks as though, we might be in danger of losing that status, there are grounds for dismissal on performance.
IMO his "chat" with John Williams gave him an opportunity to operate as head coach, within a continental style system, his rhetoric since then suggests to me that he's uncomfortable with it.
Think it's just a question of when.

I see Jacko2000 getting a lot of stick on here and a lot of it is to do with his support of Pulis. Check the league table and re-evaluate people. Yes it's boring but look at where we are in the league now. All you dwellers using the last 10 games of the season when we were already safe as a statistic to bash Pulis with, remember that we are now 8th in the Premier League. Yes, it's sh** to watch but he gets results and that is what we need so take your self-serving arses elsewhere. Don't blame Pulis for the failures of the money men.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 17, 2016, 07:53:52 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 17, 2016, 10:15:57 AM
and if TP loses the next 5 games, were f*cked and going to be trying to catch up for the rest of the season.

If pulis was playing poor football but still getting good results then yes, sacking him now would be stupid but when someones playing poor football and still loosing, whats the point keeping him? ("sacking him would be dangerous so we will keep him to keep the fans moaning and still not get any decent results then replace him and give the new manager an harder job" - is that what we really want to see happen?)

When you have teams like northampton, boro, bournemouth making us look below average.... how can you have any faith when it comes to the likes of west ham, l'pool, spurs, city etc etc that have alot better players that can cause us alot more problems?

Just can't think of a single reason the club would benefit from keeping him here

How about 3 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 07:55:57 PM
Even when the Sporting Director & Director of football Administration told the Albion Assembly  that Saido was one of only 3 recognised strikers at the football club.

Are you sure it's we've lost Saido or is it really I've lost Saido?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 17, 2016, 08:01:33 PM
First time in a long while a happy Saturday because of the Albion and a reason to watch MOTD.

 ;D

Think with these new players we can actually play a successful counter attacking style (finally).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 17, 2016, 07:47:17 PM
I see Jacko2000 getting a lot of stick on here and a lot of it is to do with his support of Pulis. Check the league table and re-evaluate people. Yes it's boring but look at where we are in the league now. All you dwellers using the last 10 games of the season when we were already safe as a statistic to bash Pulis with, remember that we are now 8th in the Premier League. Yes, it's sh** to watch but he gets results and that is what we need so take your self-serving arses elsewhere. Don't blame Pulis for the failures of the money men.

Where did the so-called money men fail?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 08:03:39 PM
Im sorry but 2 wins in 16 isnt enough... im glad a few people think its acceptable but i dont!

He has to go...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 17, 2016, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 08:03:39 PM
Im sorry but 2 wins in 16 isnt enough... im glad a few people think its acceptable but i dont!

He has to go...

Do we have to keep looking at it as 2 wins in 15 or 16 whatever it is though? Does he not deserve a fresh start to the season which stands at 2 wins in 5 or even better just 1 defeat in 5?

Don't get me wrong the performances haven't been good enough over that period of time but I think its just a little harsh to drag in results from the end of last season where we were virtually safe at the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 17, 2016, 08:10:54 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 08:03:39 PM
Im sorry but 2 wins in 16 isnt enough... im glad a few people think its acceptable but i dont!

He has to go...

No he doesn't, he should only go if he is not fulfilling his brief, so far he is.

A lot of West Ham fans are now wishing they had been more patient.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 08:16:36 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 17, 2016, 07:47:17 PM
I see Jacko2000 getting a lot of stick on here and a lot of it is to do with his support of Pulis. Check the league table and re-evaluate people. Yes it's boring but look at where we are in the league now. All you dwellers using the last 10 games of the season when we were already safe as a statistic to bash Pulis with, remember that we are now 8th in the Premier League. Yes, it's sh** to watch but he gets results and that is what we need so take your self-serving arses elsewhere. Don't blame Pulis for the failures of the money men.


For what it's worth, I supported Jacko, because I thought that Tony Pulis was as good as it got under JP's ownership, but now we're under new ownership, I expect a better quality manager than Tony Pulis & better players.

Also, I don't blame the "money men" for not getting the players we needed, I blame Tony Pulis for not being able to work with the better quality players we could have had.

As far as today is concerned, IMO, today was the result of good fortune going our way for once instead of deserting us, so perhaps it's you that should take your self serving backside elsewhere
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 17, 2016, 08:27:20 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 08:02:48 PM
Where did the so-called money men fail?

Come on John, are you taking the pee? We ****ed the last window up. With a Billionaire (or crew of them) taking us over surely we should have pushed on? Do you not agree? If not, enlighten me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on September 17, 2016, 08:29:55 PM
Well what an unexpected result today, think we hit them on the counter attack and finished our chances. Great goal by Rondon, and Chadli ran the show, brilliant second goal, great move. I actually think we could get something against Stoke at the Britania next weekend. I can see Pulis seeing out his contract and going in the summer ??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 08:30:02 PM
According to the directors invited to the assembly, there was money available to buy players. So how did we let the Manager down?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 08:39:23 PM
Yes we do have to look at it as 2 wins in 16... because thats a factual statement! You could look at it as 1 win in 1 if your being that airy fairy... i'm in this game for the long term... so why not look at the results over a long term period!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on September 17, 2016, 08:47:50 PM
Keithwba86 its a great home win 4-2, if we win next week against Stoke, which I can see us doing after today, the momentum will be with us. Like I say can see him seeing out his contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 08:49:05 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 08:39:23 PM
Yes we do have to look at it as 2 wins in 16... because thats a factual statement! You could look at it as 1 win in 1 if your being that airy fairy... i'm in this game for the long term... so why not look at the results over a long term period!

I think it'd be important if those games at the back end of last season actually meant anything. Instead, all it is, is a convenient statistic which lends itself to some surreptitious sophistry to make his record appear worse than it is and harm his reputation. All that matters is what he does this season. People are determined to point out Clarke; Clarke was a total novice and clearly out of his depth regardless of the statistics used against him to justify his sacking, but context is crucial nonetheless. Pulis is an experienced, ruthless coach; Clarke didn't earn what Pulis has and life is unfair sorry.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 08:49:44 PM
However you want to analyse today's result, there is a feel-good factor around WBAFC tonight.

If we were still in the Jeremy Peace stewardship of the football club, you could use today's result as an argument to retain the services of Tony Pulis.

But we're not, hopefully we're in a far higher level of stewardship with Mr Lai, & as such, we should expect a correspondingly higher quality of both head coach & player.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 08:56:08 PM
Ok thats enough... im going to bring this up now for people thinking tony pulis has done something miraculous today...

Last week against bournemouth..... chadli out wide, field behind the striker.... no rondon...

Bournemouth have the smallest team in the division... FACT!!! If i know this... youd think our manager would!!!

If we would have started the team he started today last week... we would have 3 extra points!! The changes he made today i told my dad and nephew last week that we shouldve had mclean out wide to whip the balls in the box for over 6ft rondon and chadli... and that was at 2pm last week!!! yet he goes with a striker who is disinterested and cant head the ball for the life of him...

Im sorry.... he is tactically inept!!!

How can anyone defend that??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on September 17, 2016, 09:02:43 PM
Today chadli played the 10 role,a role he favours rather than out wide,used to think that berahino could have played that role how wrong could I have been? He hasn't the football intelligence and for me has been found out as a flash in the pan wonder
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 17, 2016, 09:04:14 PM
Just wish we could keep the ball a bit better as I think we have a good group of player's here. Foster is a solid keeper who just needs to work on kick out's. Happy with back four but midfield is where we are let down too many times these player's misplace passes and in the middle of park Fletcher and yacob need another yard of pace.Chadli playing in the number 10 role behind Rondon is a must every week. Going forward I'd be happy with 4 4 1 1 and a bit more of ball
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 09:05:38 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 08:56:08 PM
Ok thats enough... im going to bring this up now for people thinking tony pulis has done something miraculous today...

Last week against bournemouth..... chadli out wide, field behind the striker.... no rondon...

Bournemouth have the smallest team in the division... FACT!!! If i know this... youd think our manager would!!!

If we would have started the team he started today last week... we would have 3 extra points!! The changes he made today i told my dad and nephew last week that we shouldve had mclean out wide to whip the balls in the box for over 6ft rondon and chadli... and that was at 2pm last week!!! yet he goes with a striker who is disinterested and cant head the ball for the life of him...

Im sorry.... he is tactically inept!!!

How can anyone defend that??

Are you criticising Pulis for not playing a tall enough team and not wanting lots of balls into the box  ??? ??? ???

You are clearly on the wind up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 1954 on September 17, 2016, 09:06:17 PM
Wasn't one of the problems the fact that Rondon was not capable of playing 90 minutes after travelling to & from South America? I didn't see the game but I read that when Rondon came on he looked jaded & the team played worse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 09:08:55 PM
Thats exactly what im saying... against a side like bournemouth under tony pulis.... balls in the box wouldve been a way of getting 3 points... why tony pulis of all managers wouldnt do the obvious and exploit a small team shows to me that he hasnt got a clue!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 17, 2016, 09:12:13 PM
I'm not going to be won over by the occasional good result still hate his football and a lot of that game was incredibly frustrating to watch. We are 8th after 5 games we could just as easily be 16th. Neither is particularly meaningful in the context of the season as a whole. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 09:25:02 PM
Quote from: Standaman on September 17, 2016, 09:12:13 PM
I'm not going to be won over by the occasional good result still hate his football and a lot of that game was incredibly frustrating to watch. We are 8th after 5 games we could just as easily be 16th. Neither is particularly meaningful in the context of the season as a whole.

People like you who stubbornly dislike him due to his footballing reasons are totally within their rights to do so. However, deluded fans instigating campaigns against him, booing at the games, or believing that there are far more capable managers waiting in the wings is what frustrates me.

Your position along with all those who want him gone, is you would dump him and accept the risk that we are more likely to be relegated as a result.  You are willing to accept that risk as there is little entertainment value. There's nothing wrong with that but I don't want to see us relegated for the chance of some tippy tappy football that is unlikely to garner results. At the end of the season we can look at finding a suitable replacement. If there still isn't one available I don't think we should gamble.

What I'll never understand are the people who loved Hodgson but hate Pulis. It must be personal because the football under both weren't exactly great spectacles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 09:32:35 PM
You cannot put roy and tony in the same bracket!!! That is very disrespectful to a manager who has had a very very good managerial career like roy! What has tony ever done?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 09:35:42 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 09:32:35 PM
You cannot put roy and tony in the same bracket!!! That is very disrespectful to a manager who has had a very very good managerial career like roy! What has tony ever done?

A lot actually but I'm not going to waste my time with you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 17, 2016, 09:43:31 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 09:25:02 PM
People like you who stubbornly dislike him due to his footballing reasons are totally within their rights to do so. However, deluded fans instigating campaigns against him, booing at the games, or believing that there are far more capable managers waiting in the wings is what frustrates me.

Your position along with all those who want him gone, is you would dump him and accept the risk that we are more likely to be relegated as a result.  You are willing to accept that risk as there is little entertainment value. There's nothing wrong with that but I don't want to see us relegated for the chance of some tippy tappy football that is unlikely to garner results. At the end of the season we can look at finding a suitable replacement. If there still isn't one available I don't think we should gamble.

What I'll never understand are the people who loved Hodgson but hate Pulis. It must be personal because the football under both weren't exactly great spectacles.
Exactly as they both are experienced successful Premiership managers.Hopefully we can improve and add to the playing squad. It is strange that I saw a poll wanting Hodgson back.Which would result in the same type of football.I.E. playing for results with what you have available.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 17, 2016, 09:43:43 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 09:32:35 PM
You cannot put roy and tony in the same bracket!!! That is very disrespectful to a manager who has had a very very good managerial career like roy! What has tony ever done?

Got Stoke from the championship into Europe, saved Crystal Palace from relegation and won a manager of the year award.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 17, 2016, 09:43:43 PM
Got Stoke from the championship into Europe, saved Crystal Palace from relegation and won a manager of the year award.

I wouldn't waste your time pal he is clearly on the wind up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 17, 2016, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 09:32:35 PM
You cannot put roy and tony in the same bracket!!! That is very disrespectful to a manager who has had a very very good managerial career like roy! What has tony ever done?

You don't remember the fans moaning about the quality of the football under Roy? I certainly do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 09:57:41 PM
Im certainly not on the wind up!!! Tony pulis is a terrible manager!! That is my opinion! This team is more than capable of playing expansive football... hes just too stubborn to 'change his ways' to reflect the quality we have at our disposal!

The following is my opinion of watching football for 26 years....
Teams who have more posession than the opposition generally win the game 6 out of 10 times... 2 out of 10 a draw and 2 out of 10 you lose...   id rather be looking to win 6 out of 10 games than striving to win 2 out of 10! And that is exactly what this manager does!

If thats all people think of this team then fair enough... but i am very confident we have the players to finish in the top ten playing a more attractive passing and pressing higher than currently style of football... unfortunately tony pulis is incappable of getting a team into the top ten.. (that bit is factual btw)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 17, 2016, 10:01:18 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 09:25:02 PM
People like you who stubbornly dislike him due to his footballing reasons are totally within their rights to do so. However, deluded fans instigating campaigns against him, booing at the games, or believing that there are far more capable managers waiting in the wings is what frustrates me.

Your position along with all those who want him gone, is you would dump him and accept the risk that we are more likely to be relegated as a result.  You are willing to accept that risk as there is little entertainment value. There's nothing wrong with that but I don't want to see us relegated for the chance of some tippy tappy football that is unlikely to garner results. At the end of the season we can look at finding a suitable replacement. If there still isn't one available I don't think we should gamble.

What I'll never understand are the people who loved Hodgson but hate Pulis. It must be personal because the football under both weren't exactly great spectacles.

Firstly you can still play decent football and stay up even with our squad. The myth that only Pulis will keep us up is complete rubbish.

Secondly the football was dire at times under Roy but we also had numerous good games under him where we played well and scored goals. You can count on one hand the good games we've had under TP.

I enjoyed the game today. We set up right and gave it a go. If TP continues this then he'll have no complaints. However I suspect today was the exception and not the rule.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 10:02:54 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 17, 2016, 10:01:18 PM
Firstly you can still play decent football and stay up even with our squad. The myth that only Pulis will keep us up is complete rubbish.

Secondly the football was dire at times under Roy but we also had numerous good games under him where we played well and scored goals. You can count on one hand the good games we've had under TP.

I enjoyed the game today. We set up right and gave it a go. If TP continues this then he'll have no complaints. However I suspect today was the exception and not the rule.

100% correct!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 17, 2016, 10:07:37 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 17, 2016, 10:01:18 PM
Firstly you can still play decent football and stay up even with our squad. The myth that only Pulis will keep us up is complete rubbish.

Secondly the football was dire at times under Roy but we also had numerous good games under him where we played well and scored goals. You can count on one hand the good games we've had under TP.

I enjoyed the game today. We set up right and gave it a go. If TP continues this then he'll have no complaints. However I suspect today was the exception and not the rule.

If we continue to win every game 4-2. Seems fair should be easy Tony.

How did we set up differently today then any other day? We had no fit senior no 10 before today not fault of Pulis. We sat back, were organised, attempted to counter, threatened on set pieces. Same as always but the players took their chances. We'll try the same next week, but if it doesn't work, the approach will be wrong, it's comical.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 17, 2016, 10:27:33 PM
He put out the correct players in the correct positions today, we have had one cracking result in the last how many games.... won't paper over the cracks for me.

We still had only around 29% possession and I know possession don't win you games but we have beaten a very poor form west ham today who have now conceded 8 goals in 2 games, I think it was more that they were very poor than we were very good.... we got really lucky with some chances they had.

For me, I still want pulis gone as it's clear even with a more balanced squad we can't even keep near half the possession against a team who are playing worse than us!

On another note,
Anyone else notice Roy there today? I'm sure he enjoyed the game too  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 17, 2016, 10:36:39 PM
I stubbornly refuse point blank to forget the utter dross that Pulis delivers between the very occasional good performance. Even today there great swathes of the game in which we offered nothing and couldn't string two passes together this is not tippy tappy football just the simple pass and move football that which much more limited players than ours aspire to.

Hodgson's football could be functional but it was rarely as negative as the standard Pulis fare. I don't have great expectations but they exceed 6 goals in the 13 games prior to today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 17, 2016, 11:09:50 PM
As people who might recognise my name when I post about Pulis will know I am not his biggest fan.

Today though I feel as if I saw a glimpse of what we could be and was happy.

The players bought in, though maybe not the ones we wanted, have all looked enthused and eager to play. This is exactly what we needed. Just think to how stale our starting eleven had become! Gardner starting! :-X

Lets roll on from today and not just roll over next game. COYB.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: shortybaggies on September 17, 2016, 11:14:46 PM
Suprised I haven't seen this discussed on here, but after a 4-2 win, did anyone else think his post match interview was weird?

Seemed to base it all on last week at Bournemouth and then his grankids. I genuinely think he hates us as fans and thinks we're a little stupid. I thought he'd be buzzing and wanting to turn attention onto his players and off him, but it all seemed a little 'oh woe is me'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on September 17, 2016, 11:18:22 PM
Quote from: shortybaggies on September 17, 2016, 11:14:46 PM
Suprised I haven't seen this discussed on here, but after a 4-2 win, did anyone else think his post match interview was weird?

Seemed to base it all on last week at Bournemouth and then his grankids. I genuinely think he hates us as fans and thinks we're a little stupid. I thought he'd be buzzing and wanting to turn attention onto his players and off him, but it all seemed a little 'oh woe is me'

yeah i thought it was very odd. think he has lost his marbles a little bit.

Whilst I am very pleased with the result I doubt this will change anything in terms of what we are likely to see over the next few weeks/rest of the season. West Ham's defending was awful and if we played against any other team we would have probably lost.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 17, 2016, 11:23:43 PM
First on MOTD!

Is this the real life? or is this just fantasy?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 18, 2016, 12:12:28 AM
Quote from: shortybaggies on September 17, 2016, 11:14:46 PM
Suprised I haven't seen this discussed on here, but after a 4-2 win, did anyone else think his post match interview was weird?

Seemed to base it all on last week at Bournemouth and then his grankids. I genuinely think he hates us as fans and thinks we're a little stupid. I thought he'd be buzzing and wanting to turn attention onto his players and off him, but it all seemed a little 'oh woe is me'

Pulis knows how to work the press and his interview was basically defending himself for next week if we lose. It would be naive of him to start bragging a bit and setting him up to fail if we did lose, whereas acting humble would soften the blow. Then, if we do win next week he can probably open up more as the pressure is off and be more truthful.

People on here often ask why Pulis gets less stick from the press and this is one of the reasons, he knows what he's doing. The presser on Friday was interesting too, the only journalist who gave him tricky questions was not a regular, she was a woman who occasionally interviews our players - he tries to set it up to get as little criticisms as possible, and you can't blame him for that either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing_boing68 on September 18, 2016, 12:20:57 AM
Win 1 game and suddenly pulis is the best thing ever again  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 18, 2016, 12:23:22 AM
Quote from: boing_boing68 on September 18, 2016, 12:20:57 AM
Win 1 game and suddenly pulis is the best thing ever again  ::)

Not really, he is still a stubborn dinosaur.

I have resigned to not giving any more thought to the man as I realise it is affecting my ability to support the Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 18, 2016, 02:51:10 AM
Can't wait to get back to expansive attacking losing football when Pulis moves on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 18, 2016, 02:54:16 AM
The reason we won today and scored more goals is because Pulis now has some better players. Previously Pulis has never asked or set up the players to pass to the opposition. Chadli is an example of a better player who is able to pass to his own team mates. Or do people think that Pulis hasn't had enough time with him yet to make him into Gardener?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 18, 2016, 05:16:45 AM
I do wonder if Tony does have a good year and finishes like 9th if he will even want to come back next year or try to leverage the finish into a better job elsewhere? Though tbh I'm not sure which other BPL will hire him that isn't relegation fodder so he might not have a choice in the matter  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on September 18, 2016, 07:03:40 AM
The difference yesterday was that when we got the ball we wanted to attack. I'm happy if he's going to continue to do that but he won't. How many times last year did we think we'd turned a corner only for it to go back to normal the next game!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 18, 2016, 07:29:06 AM
Quote from: bry on September 18, 2016, 02:54:16 AM
The reason we won today and scored more goals is because Pulis now has some better players. Previously Pulis has never asked or set up the players to pass to the opposition. Chadli is an example of a better player who is able to pass to his own team mates. Or do people think that Pulis hasn't had enough time with him yet to make him into Gardener?

This is true, which is why I have been more patient with Pulis, losing Brunt and Morrison at the back end of last season was a blow, they are two of our most creative players, add in the toxic Berahino mix and he has a lot to deal with.
With Chadli signed, Morrison coming back and Brunt (at full back), we look an awful lot better as a team than the team at the dog end of last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 18, 2016, 08:02:10 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 18, 2016, 07:29:06 AM
This is true, which is why I have been more patient with Pulis, losing Brunt and Morrison at the back end of last season was a blow, they are two of our most creative players, add in the toxic Berahino mix and he has a lot to deal with.
With Chadli signed, Morrison coming back and Brunt (at full back), we look an awful lot better as a team than the team at the dog end of last season.
Yes I agree. We had a number of decent /good performances in the middle of last season. We then lost Morrison and Brunt.
The squad will soon have Morrison, Brunt, Phillips and especially Chadli available which greatly improves the footballing ability and attacking potential of the squad. I'm not sure Morrison and Brunt will be regular starters BUT the squad strength will look much better. No doubt there'll be the occasional dour nothing game but hopefully we can also see a number of positive front foot performances.
It is possible under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 18, 2016, 08:20:40 AM
Yesterday shows what many of us have been saying, we do have players who can score more goals than we have been. Especially at home, we can start games by attacking teams installed of sitting back for 70ins and then trying to sneak a win.

Chadli and Rondon look great together. Combined with the power and pace of McClean and Phillips, attacking wise we looked better .

A few more wins to Chrisatmas then a manager who can click with the fans more than Pulis would be fantastic.

Like Pulis, I don't get too up or down after results u guess and I still see the best thing for us longer ten is to get a new man who fits our club and philosophy better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 08:24:57 AM
Quote from: shortybaggies on September 17, 2016, 11:14:46 PM
Suprised I haven't seen this discussed on here, but after a 4-2 win, did anyone else think his post match interview was weird?

Seemed to base it all on last week at Bournemouth and then his grankids. I genuinely think he hates us as fans and thinks we're a little stupid. I thought he'd be buzzing and wanting to turn attention onto his players and off him, but it all seemed a little 'oh woe is me'

I think I've mentioned,since the transfer window, his rhetoric has all been centred around him. He seems to be of the opinion that WBA needs him more than he needs WBA. IMO, it was the synergy of the players & the crowd that did the business yesterday, Pulis just got dragged along. I said at the game,"we did a Leicester".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 08:35:23 AM
Quote from: bry on September 18, 2016, 02:54:16 AM
The reason we won today and scored more goals is because Pulis now has some better players. Previously Pulis has never asked or set up the players to pass to the opposition. Chadli is an example of a better player who is able to pass to his own team mates. Or do people think that Pulis hasn't had enough time with him yet to make him into Gardener?


What! these were players he didn't want. Allegedly, only Chadli & Phillips were Pulis selections, all the rest were imposed on him. Galloway had a mare, & Pulis was considering taking him off & putting Jonus in the middle with Johnny Evans out wide, fortunately he saw sense & put Nyom on, but far too late. The reason we scored more goals is West Ham were poor defensively, other teams we've played have been far better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 18, 2016, 08:44:17 AM
Why not take it for what it is a good home win and three points.
Football's a seven day wonder, this time next week we could all be on here crying again.
Personally happy with the win but I still don't think we can expect Pulis to move too far away from his standard script.
Would be interesting to see what a more expansive manager could do with this group of players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 18, 2016, 08:47:28 AM
Yesterday was a one off no corner has been turned this is only the second time a Pulis side has scored 4 goals in over 200 premier league games. Quite prepared to bet on it not happening again while he is here and it wouldn't surprise me if we don't muster 4 goals in the next 6 games.

Tactically nothing changed yesterday we got an insanely high shot conversation rate 4 from 8 or 4 from 6 on target and a lot of that was down to the sheer ineptitude of West Ham.  We sat deep our passing was generally poor  and while Chadli is a fine player most teams won't have much difficulty keeping him at arms length.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 09:17:15 AM
Quote from: keithowba86 on September 17, 2016, 08:39:23 PM
Yes we do have to look at it as 2 wins in 16... because thats a factual statement! You could look at it as 1 win in 1 if your being that airy fairy... i'm in this game for the long term... so why not look at the results over a long term period!

Simply because the end of last season, we were already safe. The league table is reset at the end of the season, new players are bought in so it is only fair to judge form on games played during the current campaign.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 18, 2016, 09:25:04 AM
The relentless negativity on here is depressing.

We're settling in new players who do look like they've added something to the side.  We're getting our better experienced players back from injury. We're seeing some of the youth being given a chance.

I don't see why we shouldn't look forward.to building on this result as opposed to sitting there moaning about it being a "one off" and a "blip". Maybe it is, but until we've played another 6 games let's give the team that we support the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 18, 2016, 09:27:25 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 18, 2016, 09:25:04 AM
The relentless negativity on here is depressing.

We're settling in new players who do look like they've added something to the side.  We're getting our better experienced players back from injury. We're seeing some of the youth being given a chance.

I don't see why we shouldn't look forward.to building on this result as opposed to sitting there moaning about it being a "one off" and a "blip". Maybe it is, but until we've played another 6 games let's give the team that we support the benefit of the doubt.

Well said, I thought it was just me 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 09:30:35 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 09:17:15 AM
Simply because the end of last season, we were already safe. The league table is reset at the end of the season, new players are bought in so it is only fair to judge form on games played during the current campaign.

So are you saying then, if we hadn't been already safe, but eventually did become safe by the end of the season, the same stats, which not valid now do become valid?
And, if each improved position in the league is worth circa £1 million, could JP put in a compensation claim to TP for taking his foot off the gas?

The stats are the stats, and the larger the sample, the more accurate the reading. It's unlikely that stats from any PL team from 4 or 5 games will give the same reading than those over 38 games. Stats over 10 games will start to show a trend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 09:35:27 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 18, 2016, 09:25:04 AM
The relentless negativity on here is depressing.

We're settling in new players who do look like they've added something to the side.  We're getting our better experienced players back from injury. We're seeing some of the youth being given a chance.

I don't see why we shouldn't look forward.to building on this result as opposed to sitting there moaning about it being a "one off" and a "blip". Maybe it is, but until we've played another 6 games let's give the team that we support the benefit of the doubt.

All I'm trying to do is add a bit of realism to a one-off result. I agree with all your saying about the positive things happening around the football club, I just don't see Tony Pulis being the catalyst to pull it all together.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 18, 2016, 09:41:37 AM
I said previous i dont think the new owners will do anything straight away, i think Pulis probably has 5 or 6 games, taking yesterday for what is was then he is off to a good start.

Maybe 2nd half against Bournemouth and yesterday was a sign of things to come, Only time will tell.

What i would say for first time in ages yesterday whoever was wanted and wasnt wanted to be signed, we had some quality and competition in the team / squad and also such much needed pace.

I think we have strength in depth at the back, going forward Phillips and Leko / Chadli and Morrison / Mclean and Brunt / Leko / Robson-Kanu and assuming we sign Chamakh we have Rondon / Robson-Kanu and Chamakh as strikers.

There is some good players and competition in there, the biggest weakness is centre midfield, yesterday Yacob played well and Fletcher i thought got better as the game went on but i think we still struggle. I would imagine if we sign Sissoko he is genuine competition with Fletcher for the 'box to box' role with Field competing too.

I think Pulis has some decent players at his disposal, its over to him what he does now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 18, 2016, 10:00:24 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 09:17:15 AM
Simply because the end of last season, we were already safe. The league table is reset at the end of the season, new players are bought in so it is only fair to judge form on games played during the current campaign.

no offence but that's nonsense in my eyes, we didn't play any better or any worse than we did before we were safe.

The facts are facts, this 'we were already safe' is a ridiculous thing to say i don't buy it one bit, the higher up the league table you finish, the more money you get so why would we settle for a lower position and be happy with not winning any of our last 9 games when we played teams like norwich, sunderland, watford and bournemouth... not saying we could of beaten them but we could of put up more a fight.

weve won 6 premier league games in 2016 (that's 6 out of 24 i believe in the year 2016 so far), yes teams have rough patches and go through some poor form, but surely nobody can justify that when you consider some of the teams we failed to beat due to not trying against them?

good win yesterday, fairplay to pulis he chose the right team and we managed to get 4 goals in one game... but one good result is not going to change peoples minds.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 18, 2016, 10:01:37 AM
It is very doubtful we will play against a more spineless team than West Ham all season. In all my years watching us in this league if I've seen a worse centre forward than Zaza who they recently signed I can't think of one .

You can only beat what is put in front iof you and that's what we did but my own gut feeling was that when we went 4 up we couldn't believe it and for a 10 minute spell lost control of it a bit .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 18, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 09:35:27 AM
All I'm trying to do is add a bit of realism to a one-off result. I agree with all your saying about the positive things happening around the football club, I just don't see Tony Pulis being the catalyst to pull it all together.

I don't think anyone thinks this one result means all of our problems are suddenly fixed.  Just like a bad result doesn't mean it's all doom and gloom.  BUT we are seeing some positive signs.  Maybe having Chadli, Phillips, getting Morrison\Brunt back, giving a bit more freedom to McClean, moving Evans back to CH, maybe they will have the desired effect?  Maybe in 12 games we'll look back at this and it IS a blip?  Who knows?  Let's just enjoy it while we can and give credit where it's due.

It's the immediate "well this is a one off, we'll be rubbish again next week" attitude that's depressing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: matt_wba912 on September 18, 2016, 10:04:47 AM
The main difference yesterday was an exceptional individual performance by Chadli and a particularly poor defensive performance by West Ham.  Not sure that is sustainable every week or the basis for a successful season. 

We can live in hope that we've turned a corner but it will take more than one win to convince me of that. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on September 18, 2016, 10:15:36 AM
As said it will be interesting to see if yesterdays game was a one off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on September 18, 2016, 10:18:45 AM
We're unlikely to get gifted 2 goals in the way we were yesterday-the penalty and the breakaway into an empty West Ham half-so yes it was a better performance with obvious positives, but it's a bit early to be drawing hard conclusions and changing minds. It may be a start of something but on the other hand it might not. We won't know for a few weeks yet-assuming the decision hasn't already been made to sack Pulis, which I think is still a real possibility.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on September 18, 2016, 10:33:12 AM
The bloke is so bloody infuriating. We go through this cycle all the time, we are rubbish for a month or two to the point where you think he is on the brink, he then pulls an amazing result and performance out of the bag and everything is rosey again. We then revert to type and return to the dross again until he desperately needs another big win.

Very very pleased with yesterday but don't kid yourselves into thinking things have changed and Tony has changed. Fully expecting a ten men behind the ball, aim for a draw performance at Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 18, 2016, 10:54:45 AM
Quote from: Lloydy on September 18, 2016, 10:33:12 AM
The bloke is so bloody infuriating. We go through this cycle all the time, we are rubbish for a month or two to the point where you think he is on the brink, he then pulls an amazing result and performance out of the bag and everything is rosey again. We then revert to type and return to the dross again until he desperately needs another big win.

Very very pleased with yesterday but don't kid yourselves into thinking things have changed and Tony has changed. Fully expecting a ten men behind the ball, aim for a draw performance at Stoke.
That's the thing isn't it. At least if he stays we only have to wait until June. I don't think his contract will renewed. I do think it would have been best if he'd gone now so the replacement could evaluate the squad and be up and running in January
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on September 18, 2016, 11:05:54 AM
I think we managed 28% possession yesterday which was low even by our standards. It was also very much a smash and grab display. I don't recall a shot that the West Ham keeper saved and the penalty gifted us the lead. We did well in patches but still surrendered too much of the ball and territory to the opposition. I was taken aback by how deep we defended once we got the fourth. We were four nil up and yet intent on sitting inside our own box which invited West Ham on and it could have gone wrong had Collins got them a third. I don't expect to go down under Pullis but the football remains atrocious. Personally I would try to replace him next May. Too risky changing managers mid season unless you averaging less than a point a game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 09:30:35 AM
So are you saying then, if we hadn't been already safe, but eventually did become safe by the end of the season, the same stats, which not valid now do become valid?
And, if each improved position in the league is worth circa £1 million, could JP put in a compensation claim to TP for taking his foot off the gas?

The stats are the stats, and the larger the sample, the more accurate the reading. It's unlikely that stats from any PL team from 4 or 5 games will give the same reading than those over 38 games. Stats over 10 games will start to show a trend.

You don't get it do you? It's a fact that when you feel "safe" teams can relax. Pulis did his job last season with games to spare. We weren't playing for anything as we are now so you cannot judge the last 10 games as we had already hit our targets. Pulis has done everything asked of him. The only problem we have is that his style isn't entertaining to watch, you'll just have to get over that while he remains our manager. 8th in the league says everything really John. PULIS IS DOING THE JOB HE IS PAID HANDSOMELY FOR.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 18, 2016, 10:00:24 AM
no offence but that's nonsense in my eyes, we didn't play any better or any worse than we did before we were safe.

The facts are facts, this 'we were already safe' is a ridiculous thing to say i don't buy it one bit, the higher up the league table you finish, the more money you get so why would we settle for a lower position and be happy with not winning any of our last 9 games when we played teams like norwich, sunderland, watford and bournemouth... not saying we could of beaten them but we could of put up more a fight.

weve won 6 premier league games in 2016 (that's 6 out of 24 i believe in the year 2016 so far), yes teams have rough patches and go through some poor form, but surely nobody can justify that when you consider some of the teams we failed to beat due to not trying against them?

good win yesterday, fairplay to pulis he chose the right team and we managed to get 4 goals in one game... but one good result is not going to change peoples minds.

How is saying "we were already safe" ridiculous? Where did we finish at the end of the day? Look, I get frustrated at the football we play, it isn't great to watch but to say that 10 dead rubber matches at the end of last season BECAUSE our manager has hit his targets earlier than expected can be judged the same way as games where we are fighting for survival is ridiculous and very naive on your part. It's like saying that there is no such thing as home advantage. Is a team performing better at home than away ridiculous? Same players, different supporters, different environment. It all has an effect on the end product. Explain to me, if i'm so ridiculous why Pulis deserves the sack (I'm assuming that is your thought process), for doing what he was employed to do with relative comfort? Face it mate, your the one talking nonsense, as facts are facts. It seems you're more interested in you're own amusement rather than the results WBA get. WE ARE 8TH IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 18, 2016, 11:55:31 AM
I would say that because Tony Pulis did allow the team to trail off when safe last season shows his lack of respect for the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 18, 2016, 12:05:45 PM
how about if we won our first 13 games? would it then be acceptable to say that's it lads flip the rest of the season were safe?
the club, team and management have a responsibility and a duty to the sport to go out and compete at their best every single match. more so to the fans who pay good money following the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 11:22:32 AM
You don't get it do you? It's a fact that when you feel "safe" teams can relax. Pulis did his job last season with games to spare. We weren't playing for anything as we are now so you cannot judge the last 10 games as we had already hit our targets. Pulis has done everything asked of him. The only problem we have is that his style isn't entertaining to watch, you'll just have to get over that while he remains our manager. 8th in the league says everything really John. PULIS IS DOING THE JOB HE IS PAID HANDSOMELY FOR.

I think I actually "get it" better than you.

Jeremy Peace would not have set a single layer objective for Tony Pulis. In my experience of objective setting it's at least three layers. Layer one is a target you "must" reach, layer two is a target you "intend" to reach, & layer three is a target you'd "like" to reach.

Reading Jeremy Peace's statements & reports to shareholders, the objectives every season have been a) to achieve as high a position as possible in the Premier League & b) to make as much progress as possible in the domestic cup competitions.
As far as I can see, we have done none of these.
Tony Pulis, has achieved the lowest layer of objectives, & if he has been satisfied with retaining our PL status, I don't think he will have achieved any of the objectives agreed with the business owner at the time.

If Tony Pulis had been a CEO in a commercial enterprise, his job would almost certainly be on the line now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 18, 2016, 12:11:01 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 12:07:10 PM
I think I actually "get it" better than you.

Jeremy Peace would not have set a single layer objective for Tony Pulis. In my experience of objective setting it's at least three layers. Layer one is a target you "must" reach, layer two is a target you "intend" to reach, & layer three is a target you'd "like" to reach.

Reading Jeremy Peace's statements & reports to shareholders, the objectives every season have been a) to achieve as high a position as possible in the Premier League & b) to make as much progress as possible in the domestic cup competitions.
As far as I can see, we have done none of these.
Tony Pulis, has achieved the lowest layer of objectives, & if he has been satisfied with retaining our PL status, I don't think he will have achieved any of the objectives agreed with the business owner at the time.

If Tony Pulis had been a CEO in a commercial enterprise, his job would almost certainly be on the line now

Effectively he is and his job is on the line, only progression on the pitch in results and style will enable contract extension.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 12:07:10 PM
I think I actually "get it" better than you.

Jeremy Peace would not have set a single layer objective for Tony Pulis. In my experience of objective setting it's at least three layers. Layer one is a target you "must" reach, layer two is a target you "intend" to reach, & layer three is a target you'd "like" to reach.

Reading Jeremy Peace's statements & reports to shareholders, the objectives every season have been a) to achieve as high a position as possible in the Premier League & b) to make as much progress as possible in the domestic cup competitions.
As far as I can see, we have done none of these.
Tony Pulis, has achieved the lowest layer of objectives, & if he has been satisfied with retaining our PL status, I don't think he will have achieved any of the objectives agreed with the business owner at the time.

If Tony Pulis had been a CEO in a commercial enterprise, his job would almost certainly be on the line now

Seriously mate, for an intelligent kid, you do post a lot of tripe. You go on like you're word is gospel, but in reality you haven't got a clue. I can't believe that you would take a Jeremy Peace statement as a statement of fact, rather than a PR exercise which it actually is. If you get sucked in to that ****, then you are beyond help. You're not a stupid person, why can't you see the wood from the tree's?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 01:29:47 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 18, 2016, 11:55:31 AM
I would say that because Tony Pulis did allow the team to trail off when safe last season shows his lack of respect for the fans.

Did he though? We're you in the changing rooms?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 01:40:40 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 01:28:38 PM
Seriously mate, for an intelligent kid, you do post a lot of tripe. You go on like you're word is gospel, but in reality you haven't got a clue. I can't believe that you would take a Jeremy Peace statement as a statement of fact, rather than a PR exercise which it actually is. If you get sucked in to that ****, then you are beyond help. You're not a stupid person, why can't you see the wood from the tree's?

Very nice of you to say so, but I was born in 1946. My comments are based on experiences from 50 years in the industrial sector, including 30 years in management & 10 years as a member of a company board of directors. What's yours?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 18, 2016, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 11:32:24 AM
How is saying "we were already safe" ridiculous? Where did we finish at the end of the day? Look, I get frustrated at the football we play, it isn't great to watch but to say that 10 dead rubber matches at the end of last season BECAUSE our manager has hit his targets earlier than expected can be judged the same way as games where we are fighting for survival is ridiculous and very naive on your part. It's like saying that there is no such thing as home advantage. Is a team performing better at home than away ridiculous? Same players, different supporters, different environment. It all has an effect on the end product. Explain to me, if i'm so ridiculous why Pulis deserves the sack (I'm assuming that is your thought process), for doing what he was employed to do with relative comfort? Face it mate, your the one talking nonsense, as facts are facts. It seems you're more interested in you're own amusement rather than the results WBA get. WE ARE 8TH IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE.

Facts are facts yes like you just said and one fact is we had won something like 1 game in the last 15/16 until yesterday YOUR the one making an excuse for it. It's the premier league, teams can't relax.

We are 8th in the premier league after 5 games, maybe if we wasn't so 'relaxed' as you say we could be higher but instead we gave 3 points away against everton and we're terrible against Middlesborough.

How can you say it seems I'm more interested in my own amusement rather than results? If you haven't noticed my argument is we have had poor results your the one trying to justify why we have been sh*t.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 18, 2016, 02:18:45 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 08:35:23 AM

What! these were players he didn't want. Allegedly, only Chadli & Phillips were Pulis selections, all the rest were imposed on him. Galloway had a mare, & Pulis was considering taking him off & putting Jonus in the middle with Johnny Evans out wide, fortunately he saw sense & put Nyom on, but far too late. The reason we scored more goals is West Ham were poor defensively, other teams we've played have been far better.
I was waiting for someone to say it was West ham playing badly and not the team being better and guess who obliged BaggieJohn, no surprise there. if Pulis had been backed to by more players of the quality of Chadli we would be even better still. But if you prefer Robson Kanu to Slimani then thank god your not our manager. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 18, 2016, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 12:07:10 PM
I think I actually "get it" better than you.

Jeremy Peace would not have set a single layer objective for Tony Pulis. In my experience of objective setting it's at least three layers. Layer one is a target you "must" reach, layer two is a target you "intend" to reach, & layer three is a target you'd "like" to reach.

Reading Jeremy Peace's statements & reports to shareholders, the objectives every season have been a) to achieve as high a position as possible in the Premier League & b) to make as much progress as possible in the domestic cup competitions.
As far as I can see, we have done none of these.


Tony Pulis, has achieved the lowest layer of objectives, & if he has been satisfied with retaining our PL status, I don't think he will have achieved any of the objectives agreed with the business owner at the time.

If Tony Pulis had been a CEO in a commercial enterprise, his job would almost certainly be on the line now
I thought Jeremy Peace's only objective was to stay in the Premier League with spending as little money as possible full stop. Anything else that happened was a welcome fluke but not a planned objective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 18, 2016, 03:14:28 PM
Fact is, none of us know, to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on September 18, 2016, 03:18:03 PM
I wasn't there yesterday, but from reports we just took our chances alot better. I've never been a Pulis fan, so I'm naturally sceptical about him changing his style to one of free-flowing attacking football. However, I had hoped that his experience at Palace had made him slightly more adventurous, and I suppose the biggest endorsement of this was the purchase of Phillips and Chadlii, two highly creative and skilful footballers. Could it just be that any team fielding these players will always be more attractive to watch than one with a couple of holding midfielders instead?
Of course, there will be those who might say, we conceded 2 Goals and it could have been more, but that's always better than holding on for a 0-0, when it only takes one mistake.

 

   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 18, 2016, 03:30:58 PM
With Stoke bottom of the league and losing today; I hope everyone is hard at work preparing their anti-Pulis sentiments for next week just in case we don't beat Stoke. I eagerly anticipate some original comments such as:-

"Can't even beat bottom of the league"

"We should be beating teams like Stoke"

"Pulis out"

"Last week was clearly a fluke"

Then if we do win:-

"They were bottom of the league so we should be winning"

"Should have won by more"

"Stoke are a poor team"

Can't wait.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 18, 2016, 03:36:37 PM
I think it would be absolutely hilarious if Hughes, who was lauded at the mastermind of Stoke's footballing evolution, was sacked because he lost to their former manager Pulis and his archaic footballing methodology. With our recent record against them it doesn't seem unthinkable. :D :D

Exited for next week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 04:10:29 PM
Bry,

If I can reply to both of your comments.

I was you who said that we won yesterday because we now have better players, & yet allegedly TP didn't want some of the players who were in our squad. I would have loved Slimani, & Carvalho, but I understand they were just out of reach for us financially this time. I believe that the board did back Tony Pulis this window, but he didn't want some of the players we could afford.

I have no reason to disbelieve Jeremy Peace when he says our objectives were to end the season as high as possible in the Premier League Table, & to do as well as we can in the domestic cup competitions. On the other hand you clearly have some ITK information that's not the case.


This is from the Albion Assembly Minutes - which confirms the objectives above.

Quote
* What is success for WBA this year?

RG replied that success would be finishing higher than last season and pushing towards the top 10, and also to try to progress in cup competitions despite the disappointment of the EFL Cup exit.

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/wba-albion-assembly-meeting-baggies-3304561.aspx#gWs6l6jb8aS2suED.99
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 18, 2016, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 18, 2016, 03:36:37 PM
I think it would be absolutely hilarious if Hughes, who was lauded at the mastermind of Stoke's footballing evolution, was sacked because he lost to their former manager Pulis and his archaic footballing methodology. With our recent record against them it doesn't seem unthinkable. :D :D

Exited for next week.
I wonder what would happen if we swapped managers? Who would finish highest?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 18, 2016, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 04:10:29 PM
Bry,

If I can reply to both of your comments.

I was you who said that we won yesterday because we now have better players, & yet allegedly TP didn't want some of the players who were in our squad. I would have loved Slimani, & Carvalho, but I understand they were just out of reach for us financially this time. I believe that the board did back Tony Pulis this window, but he didn't want some of the players we could afford.

I have no reason to disbelieve Jeremy Peace when he says our objectives were to end the season as high as possible in the Premier League Table, & to do as well as we can in the domestic cup competitions. On the other hand you clearly have some ITK information that's not the case.


This is from the Albion Assembly Minutes - which confirms the objectives above.
Apart from Eddy Howe (who is a great admirer of Pulis) who do you think is a better manager in the premier league and with our players and past resources could keep us in the division playing a more attractive style? And don’t say you can’t discuss it because I’m not advocating sacking or replacing Pulis I am just asking your opinion on who you think is a better manager. I don’t like the way we play under Pulis in many games, but I have disliked more how little we spend on transfers as a club. I look at the better managers in the league and I don’t believe any of them unfortunately would want to work at our club. If the new owners don’t employ anyone of Eddy Howe’s class or above then I want Pulis to be our manager. Whether I would like to watch us play better football of course I would but it’s out of my hands and in Guochuan Lai’s as it was with Peace. Spend what we spend and Pulis is the very best manager in my opinion we can have whether we like it or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dangerman on September 18, 2016, 04:16:31 PM
Hopefully given the result today Stoke will be knocking on our door for Pulis.

Compensation and get rid!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 04:18:38 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 01:40:40 PM
Very nice of you to say so, but I was born in 1946. My comments are based on experiences from 50 years in the industrial sector, including 30 years in management & 10 years as a member of a company board of directors. What's yours?.

Mine are not relevant to this discussion John, just like yours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 18, 2016, 01:47:16 PM
Facts are facts yes like you just said and one fact is we had won something like 1 game in the last 15/16 until yesterday YOUR the one making an excuse for it. It's the premier league, teams can't relax.

We are 8th in the premier league after 5 games, maybe if we wasn't so 'relaxed' as you say we could be higher but instead we gave 3 points away against everton and we're terrible against Middlesborough.

How can you say it seems I'm more interested in my own amusement rather than results? If you haven't noticed my argument is we have had poor results your the one trying to justify why we have been sh*t.

What am I trying to justify apart from being in a healthy league position? We weren't terrible against Boro, we were below par but picked up a point. I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm dealing with facts rather than myths and insinuations. We have never looked like going down with Pulis as a manager, so where are all these "poor results" that you talk about? Pulis hasn't been backed hence why we are watching god awful football. His job is to pick up enough points to stay up, and without the players he wants, it's going to look  poor at times, but he gets the job done.

Quote from: bry on September 18, 2016, 02:18:45 PM
I was waiting for someone to say it was West ham playing badly and not the team being better and guess who obliged BaggieJohn, no surprise there. if Pulis had been backed to by more players of the quality of Chadli we would be even better still. But if you prefer Robson Kanu to Slimani then thank god your not our manager.


100%. John had "50 years in the industrial sector, including 30 years in management & 10 years as a member of a company board of directors", but it's plain to see, he has no experience in running a Premier League Football club as if he did, he wouldn't post such utter tosh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 18, 2016, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: bry on September 18, 2016, 04:10:51 PM
I wonder what would happen if we swapped managers? Who would finish highest?

We would be relegated under Hughes. No doubt in my mind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 18, 2016, 04:28:53 PM
We would be relegated under Hughes. No doubt in my mind.

With our squad, we would be relegated with lots of managers. That's why some supporters should be careful what they wish for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 18, 2016, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 04:30:13 PM
With our squad, we would be relegated with lots of managers. That's why some supporters should be careful what they wish for.

Some fans value their own entertainment over what's necessary for the club. They just don't have the honesty to admit it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 18, 2016, 04:39:58 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 04:10:29 PM
Bry,

If I can reply to both of your comments.

I was you who said that we won yesterday because we now have better players, & yet allegedly TP didn't want some of the players who were in our squad. I would have loved Slimani, & Carvalho, but I understand they were just out of reach for us financially this time. I believe that the board did back Tony Pulis this window, but he didn't want some of the players we could afford.

I have no reason to disbelieve Jeremy Peace when he says our objectives were to end the season as high as possible in the Premier League Table, & to do as well as we can in the domestic cup competitions. On the other hand you clearly have some ITK information that's not the case.


This is from the Albion Assembly Minutes - which confirms the objectives above.
Your not a scriptwriter for Donald Trump are you? “I’m going to make America great again” (Trump) “What policies and ideas do you have to bring this about” (Any intelligent person) “You just wait and see when I’m president”

“So who would play better football, keep Albion in the prem and spend less than most other clubs and stay in the black. “ Baggie John “just wait and see when Pulis is sacked”
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 18, 2016, 04:32:34 PM
Some fans value their own entertainment over what's necessary for the club. They just don't have the honesty to admit it.

Exactly. There are plenty of selfish WBA supporters on this forum. I'm still drunk off with our transfer window, but anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that the board is to blame, not the manager. But some cannot see past the Anti-Pulis agenda they have. Yes, we know he is boring but he gets the results he's paid to deliver.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: bry on September 18, 2016, 04:14:31 PM
Apart from Eddy Howe (who is a great admirer of Pulis) who do you think is a better manager in the premier league and with our players and past resources could keep us in the division playing a more attractive style? And don’t say you can’t discuss it because I’m not advocating sacking or replacing Pulis I am just asking your opinion on who you think is a better manager. I don’t like the way we play under Pulis in many games, but I have disliked more how little we spend on transfers as a club. I look at the better managers in the league and I don’t believe any of them unfortunately would want to work at our club. If the new owners don’t employ anyone of Eddy Howe’s class or above then I want Pulis to be our manager. Whether I would like to watch us play better football of course I would but it’s out of my hands and in Guochuan Lai’s as it was with Peace. Spend what we spend and Pulis is the very best manager in my opinion we can have whether we like it or not.

I agree, but the very purpose of JP selling the club, was to allow it to progress to another level, to do that we need to get coaches & players at another level. John Williams has stated the the club will be operating in a continental style, with a Head Coach/Technical Director axis forming the leadership of the footballing side of the business. Tony Pulis might be able to operate within that structure, & I've said on several occasions, he should be given the opportunity to try. On the other hand if he can't, we should be looking to replace him with someone who can, who may or may not be working in the PL at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 04:51:23 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on Today at 04:41:10 PM

    Exactly. There are plenty of selfish WBA supporters on this forum. I'm still drunk off with our transfer window, but anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that the board is to blame, not the manager. But some cannot see past the Anti-Pulis agenda they have. Yes, we know he is boring but he gets the results he's paid to deliver.

Did you just post my quote because you think I'm right?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 04:51:23 PM
Did you just post my quote because you think I'm right?  ;D ;D

Actually, I was about to say, since you think I'm so thick, can you explain why you think the board are to blame.?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 18, 2016, 04:56:54 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 04:42:17 PM
I agree, but the very purpose of JP selling the club, was to allow it to progress to another level, to do that we need to get coaches & players at another level. John Williams has stated the the club will be operating in a continental style, with a Head Coach/Technical Director axis forming the leadership of the footballing side of the business. Tony Pulis might be able to operate within that structure, & I've said on several occasions, he should be given the opportunity to try. On the other hand if he can't, we should be looking to replace him with someone who can, who may or may not be working in the PL at the moment.
And there is the whole issue. I don't believe (but hope I'm wrong) that we will get a better quality manager than Pulis and you do. As I said before I look at all the high quality managers like Koeman, Conte, Klopp etc and I just don't see the new owners bringing in someone of that level. And before you say you don't know I'm going on their statement that they want to continue as before under Peace's tenure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 18, 2016, 04:58:51 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 04:55:40 PM
Actually, I was about to say, since you think I'm so thick, can you explain why you think the board are to blame.?
Because they think Robson Kanu is the level of forward that they will only pay for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 18, 2016, 05:04:44 PM
Most manager might preach a free flowing system until they lose 3 games in a row and the heat is on and they revert back to parking the bus.

Tony is at least honest enough to play that style every game  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 05:05:28 PM
Quote from: bry on September 18, 2016, 04:56:54 PM
And there is the whole issue. I don't believe (but hope I'm wrong) that we will get a better quality manager than Pulis and you do. As I said before I look at all the high quality managers like Koeman, Conte, Klopp etc and I just don't see the new owners bringing in someone of that level. And before you say you don't know I'm going on their statement that they want to continue as before under Peace's tenure.

I think you've misinterpreted what was said. I believe the words "continuity" & "business as usual" were used. I've interpreted that as a seamless transition from one set of owners to the next, & by and large, we've achieved that. It doesn't mean to say we're going to stay in the same gear, or even the same vehicle. IMO we've moved from  a Ford Fiesta to a Jaguar, & I expect to see Jaguar performance, with or without Tony Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 18, 2016, 05:05:48 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 04:28:03 PM
What am I trying to justify apart from being in a healthy league position? We weren't terrible against Boro, we were below par but picked up a point. I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm dealing with facts rather than myths and insinuations. We have never looked like going down with Pulis as a manager, so where are all these "poor results" that you talk about? Pulis hasn't been backed hence why we are watching god awful football. His job is to pick up enough points to stay up, and without the players he wants, it's going to look  poor at times, but he gets the job done.
 

100%. John had "50 years in the industrial sector, including 30 years in management & 10 years as a member of a company board of directors", but it's plain to see, he has no experience in running a Premier League Football club as if he did, he wouldn't post such utter tosh.

healthy league position? - we are 5 games in, we are nowhere near an healthy league position its too early.. the table will change ALOT over the next couple of games, lets not get too excited and relax now.

your dealing with facts not myths? - my point was until yesterday we only won 2 of our last 14 games, which is fact however you want to put it or as much as you want to 'forget last season', facts are facts. You are the one that tried saying we basically stopped last season because we were safe, did pulis and the players tell you that personally?, I believe not, because no club in the premiership would try and take the p*ss like that and take premier league status for granted, especially when the higher you are in the table the more money you get.... not like we don't need the money.

we have never looked like going down under pulis and where are the poor results? - i don't believe we have looked like going down under pulis YET, never once have i said we are... but i also don't believe he's the only guy on the planet that can stop a squad getting relegated like some people try to make out. And the poor results...  check how many games we have dropped points and lost in 2016 and you will find your answer.

What i do believe though is if things don't change pretty sharpish and we don't start getting more wins (im hoping yesterday was just the start of our luck changing), then i do believe it will look alot more like a relegation battle for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 05:08:42 PM
Quote from: bry on September 18, 2016, 04:58:51 PM
Because they think Robson Kanu is the level of forward that they will only pay for.

It was a question aimed at your colleague
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 18, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 18, 2016, 03:36:37 PM
I think it would be absolutely hilarious if Hughes, who was lauded at the mastermind of Stoke's footballing evolution, was sacked because he lost to their former manager Pulis and his archaic footballing methodology. With our recent record against them it doesn't seem unthinkable. :D :D

Exited for next week.

I was thinking that earlier, the Stoke fans have always been quite snobby about how good they are under Hughes and how we've got their sloppy seconds.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 18, 2016, 06:10:32 PM
The constant refrain has been look how much Stoke and Palace have moved on since Pulis....how far? Stoke look like they are thriving without him :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kamarasboot on September 18, 2016, 06:19:39 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 04:42:17 PM
I agree, but the very purpose of JP selling the club, was to allow it to progress to another level, to do that we need to get coaches & players at another level. John Williams has stated the the club will be operating in a continental style, with a Head Coach/Technical Director axis forming the leadership of the footballing side of the business. Tony Pulis might be able to operate within that structure, & I've said on several occasions, he should be given the opportunity to try. On the other hand if he can't, we should be looking to replace him with someone who can, who may or may not be working in the PL at the moment.

Im afraid you're wrong on that one, the aim of the tackover was for JP to maximise his investment whilst not endangering the solid footing he's put us on. It's already been stated by senior staff including pulis that they expect the club to be run in the same manner. To take us to the next level, whether you're willing to accept it or not, will take millions. That means going against everything we're being told since the takeover.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 06:48:04 PM
Quote from: kamarasboot on September 18, 2016, 06:19:39 PM
Im afraid you're wrong on that one, the aim of the tackover was for JP to maximise his investment whilst not endangering the solid footing he's put us on. It's already been stated by senior staff including pulis that they expect the club to be run in the same manner. To take us to the next level, whether you're willing to accept it or not, will take millions. That means going against everything we're being told since the takeover.

I think you mean "mistaken". I have read all of the comments about the transfer of ownership, & I cannot find anywhere that speaks about the level of funding that will be available. What has been said, is the ethos & culture of the football club won't change, ethos & culture is not connected to funding.
I might be thick, but even I can see that if WBA is intended to represent English Football in China, a team that wins nothing won't represent it very well.
To have a chance of winning something, we will need additional funding & move up a level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 08:34:24 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 18, 2016, 05:05:48 PM
healthy league position? - we are 5 games in, we are nowhere near an healthy league position its too early.. the table will change ALOT over the next couple of games, lets not get too excited and relax now.

Yet you judge the last 10 game of the season when we're already safe as if they're relevant?

your dealing with facts not myths? - my point was until yesterday we only won 2 of our last 14 games, which is fact however you want to put it or as much as you want to 'forget last season', facts are facts. You are the one that tried saying we basically stopped last season because we were safe, did pulis and the players tell you that personally?, I believe not, because no club in the premiership would try and take the p*ss like that and take premier league status for granted, especially when the higher you are in the table the more money you get.... not like we don't need the money.

I remember last season, we survived with 10 games to spare.

we have never looked like going down under pulis and where are the poor results? - i don't believe we have looked like going down under pulis YET, never once have i said we are... but i also don't believe he's the only guy on the planet that can stop a squad getting relegated like some people try to make out. And the poor results...  check how many games we have dropped points and lost in 2016 and you will find your answer.

Fair point but again, where did we finish last season and where are we in the league now?

What i do believe though is if things don't change pretty sharpish and we don't start getting more wins (im hoping yesterday was just the start of our luck changing), then i do believe it will look alot more like a relegation battle for us.

For sure, I completely agree but you are missing the part that in the last almost 2 years, we have consistently got the results we need, hence why Pulis has done the job he was asked to do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 04:55:40 PM
Actually, I was about to say, since you think I'm so thick, can you explain why you think the board are to blame.?

Bry seems to have things sussed so ask him. The board failed in the window. Whether you like Pulis or loathe him, he has proven to be a safe pair of hands but hasn't been backed. Can you explain how the board have done their job?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 08:50:39 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 08:37:54 PM
Bry seems to have things sussed so ask him. The board failed in the window. Whether you like Pulis or loathe him, he has proven to be a safe pair of hands but hasn't been backed. Can you explain how the board have done their job?

I wasn't asking Bry, I was asking you, so how did the board fail in the window?. They have said that there was money available & the acquisition had no influence on our ability to buy players.
I don't loathe Pulis, if you care to look back at my posts you'll see that I said that Pulis was as good as it gets under the JP stewardship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 18, 2016, 08:50:52 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 08:34:24 PM



After 29 games last season, with 10 games remaining we were on 39 points, Norwich and Newcastle were both on 24 points... we were nowhere near safe! It would of only took either of them to go on a decent run and we would of been dragged into it so your theory of 'we relaxed cause we were safe' it's bullsh*t sorry.

Like I said, we are only 5 games into the season so please don't get too excited, the league table will change a lot. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 09:13:14 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 08:50:39 PM
I wasn't asking Bry, I was asking you, so how did the board fail in the window?. They have said that there was money available & the acquisition had no influence on our ability to buy players.
I don't loathe Pulis, if you care to look back at my posts you'll see that I said that Pulis was as good as it gets under the JP stewardship.

Are you really asking me how the board failed in the transfer window? Seriously John? It's common knowledge. Do you not read the news?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 09:18:17 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 09:13:14 PM
Are you really asking me how the board failed in the transfer window? Seriously John? It's common knowledge. Do you not read the news?

So it shouldn't be too difficult for you to tell me then!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on September 18, 2016, 09:48:18 PM
This should be interesting vanderlei... proceed...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 18, 2016, 10:07:31 PM
People can see this as a one-off if they want.....it may prove to be but I don't think it will.
Pulis has stated on a number of occasions that we lack quality in the final 3rd and we've significantly improved that area now.

In the games we can target to win I would go same as yesterday..... given how McLean played.

                      Rondon

  McLean         Chadli           Phillips

For the tougher games then bring Morrison in to add more to the midfield

                     Rondon         

Chadli           Morrison         Phillips

We would carry decent threat in that final 3rd whatever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 18, 2016, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: Adder on September 18, 2016, 10:07:31 PM
People can see this as a one-off if they want.....it may prove to be but I don't think it will.
Pulis has stated on a number of occasions that we lack quality in the final 3rd and we've significantly improved that area now.

In the games we can target to win I would go same as yesterday..... given how McLean played.

                      Rondon

  McLean         Chadli           Phillips

For the tougher games then bring Morrison in to add more to the midfield

                     Rondon         

Chadli           Morrison         Phillips

We would carry decent threat in that final 3rd whatever.

I don't quite get that, McClean has always been defensively diligent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 18, 2016, 10:17:11 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 18, 2016, 10:13:58 PM
I don't quite get that, McClean has always been defensively diligent.
True but my thinking is that adding Morrison gives us extra strength in midfield for the games when it's needed .....Chadli has to play somewhere so McLean misses out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 18, 2016, 10:20:18 PM
Quote from: Adder on September 18, 2016, 10:07:31 PM
People can see this as a one-off if they want.....it may prove to be but I don't think it will.
Pulis has stated on a number of occasions that we lack quality in the final 3rd and we've significantly improved that area now.

In the games we can target to win I would go same as yesterday..... given how McLean played.

                      Rondon

  McLean         Chadli           Phillips

For the tougher games then bring Morrison in to add more to the midfield

                     Rondon         

Chadli           Morrison         Phillips

We would carry decent threat in that final 3rd whatever.

Tougher games

                 RondonChamakh         

Chadli           Morrison         Phillips
McClean                                 Gardner

Fixed  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 18, 2016, 10:22:50 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 18, 2016, 10:20:18 PM
Tougher games

                 RondonChamakh         

Chadli           Morrison         Phillips
McClean                                 Gardner

Fixed  ;D
Aaaaaagh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 08:58:40 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 09:18:17 PM
So it shouldn't be too difficult for you to tell me then!
They didn't bring in the players that we needed.  Unless you think we had a great transfer window then the board are to blame.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 10:08:07 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 08:58:40 AM
They didn't bring in the players that we needed.  Unless you think we had a great transfer window then the board are to blame.

We needed a left back; we got Galloway on loan, if Brunt takes his place when fit, still a fair signing.

We needed a 1st choice right back; we got Nyom, if Dawson continues at RB, id say bad signing.

We got Phillips; good

We got Chadli; good, but which position was he bought for?

We got HRK; winger/forward, good back up.

We didn't get a ball playing midfielder and we didn't get a goalscorer.

Imo. What we were screaming out for was somebody that can work between defence and attack Central midfield, & a goalscorer 34 goals last year. We got neither.

So, a poor return in the window.

Pulis said "We want players that improve our 1st team,  40% of our signings definately do, jury out on the others.

If like loads on here say about we can't afford high wages, why use what we can afford on players no better than what we already have?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 10:11:37 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 08:58:40 AM
They didn't bring in the players that we needed.  Unless you think we had a great transfer window then the board are to blame.

We didn't have a great transfer window, that's a given. But the "board" made money available to buy players, statement after statement from June onward confirms it.

So I'm asking the question, if money was available, why didn't we get the players?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 10:13:23 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 10:11:37 AM
We didn't have a great transfer window, that's a given. But the "board" made money available to buy players, statement after statement from June onward confirms it.

So I'm asking the question, if money was available, why didn't we get the players?

Whoever was negotiating the terms of the deal (which ain't Pulis), couldn't agree terms with either the Club, player or agent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 19, 2016, 10:20:14 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 10:13:23 AM
Whoever was negotiating the terms of the deal (which ain't Pulis), couldn't agree terms with either the Club, player or agent.

Is that a fact though? Or is it just rumours or your guess?

How do we know the board didn't want to meet an asking price for a player pulis wanted but the board didn't feel he was worth?

Which if they did, people on here would complain we are paying a stupid amount for players who are not worth it.

We will never know the real reasons behind it although people with have their own theories and rumours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 10:13:23 AM
Whoever was negotiating the terms of the deal (which ain't Pulis), couldn't agree terms with either the Club, player or agent.

Exactly.  There's money available but that doesn't mean that deals didn't break down because of money\contracts. 

That's why it's annoying hearing the club talking about how difficult the transfer window was and they didn't expect it.  Everybody anticipated that fees would go up due to the TV money being bumped.  And any transfer window would be really easy if you are happy to pay what clubs want for their players.

What's the alternative?  That the players we got were the only ones we targetted?  Or that Pulis vetoed every single player we went for?  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 19, 2016, 10:20:14 AM
Is that a fact though? Or is it just rumours or your guess?

How do we know the board didn't want to meet an asking price for a player pulis wanted but the board didn't feel he was worth?

Which if they did, people on here would complain we are paying a stupid amount for players who are not worth it.

We will never know the real reasons behind it although people with have their own theories and rumours.

I think that's the point - to say the board are blameless in an attempt to pin all of the blame on Pulis completely ignores any circumstances where we've gone "we're not paying that" (and being completely right to).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 10:30:15 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 19, 2016, 10:20:14 AM
Is that a fact though? Or is it just rumours or your guess?

How do we know the board didn't want to meet an asking price for a player pulis wanted but the board didn't feel he was worth?

Which if they did, people on here would complain we are paying a stupid amount for players who are not worth it.

We will never know the real reasons behind it although people with have their own theories and rumours.

As far as I'm aware Pulis has no dealings on the money side of things, it's a guess for sure, but, Slimani was worth to Leicester what Leicester paid for him,  Benteke was worth to Watford what they paid for him.

A good player will be worth something to someone, if we are always 2,3,4 million behind other clubs then they will get them and we won't.

Perhaps the suits should leave football decisions to the manager.

If they don't feel confident the Manager will make the right decisions, perhaps they should sack him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 10:37:29 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 19, 2016, 10:20:14 AM
Is that a fact though? Or is it just rumours or your guess?

How do we know the board didn't want to meet an asking price for a player pulis wanted but the board didn't feel he was worth?

Which if they did, people on here would complain we are paying a stupid amount for players who are not worth it.

We will never know the real reasons behind it although people with have their own theories and rumours.

IMO it's even simpler than that. We don't know how much the Football club had to spend, but what we do know, it wasn't a bottomless pit. So we had a finite amount of money to spend.
TP wanted 5 players, so if we overspent on one player, we wouldn't get 5 players. Add to that a head coach who has specific list of players, & is reluctant to consider alternatives, & you're leaving everything until the last minute, you've got a formula for failure. That's exactly what we got.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 19, 2016, 10:40:59 AM
As usual the truth is probably somewhere in the middle for eg,  Pulis might have wanted Carvalho but at £40m the club said no way and offered Camacho who at £15m was 'affordable' but Pulis didn't fancy him. I'd love us to sign Messi but at £200m I have to be realistic.

What I think we do know is that the club and Pulis have to work together better and earlier to get the business done we need. They should be in harmony and agreement over the budget and players we eventually bring not 'I didn't want him' from Pulis or 'Tony didn't want the players he was offered' from the club which smacks of really amateur/ childish stuff. 

I honestly think the signings during Pulis' time overall are better than just before he joined (Fletcher, Rondon, Evans and now Chadli have definitely improved the first team). However, the real issue (from the club's perspective) is that Pulis tends to sign players in their late twenties or older (finished articles) who cost a fair bit (around £32m for the four players listed above) whilst perhaps only Chadli has serious re-sale value realistically.

Like at Stoke, I'm sure Pulis will leave a much stronger squad behind for the next man. I'm ready to see what someone else could do with some of these players to be honest as we're only a couple short of being a decent attacking force on our day (when allowed to be).

Last Saturday was stop start and we capitalised on a poor poor West Ham defensive performance so it did flatter us to be honest.

I'd love to see us playing regularly with a bit more fluidity and attacking intent.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 10:37:29 AM
IMO it's even simpler than that. We don't know how much the Football club had to spend, but what we do know, it wasn't a bottomless pit. So we had a finite amount of money to spend.
TP wanted 5 players, so if we overspent on one player, we wouldn't get 5 players. Add to that a head coach who has specific list of players, & is reluctant to consider alternatives, & you're leaving everything until the last minute, you've got a formula for failure. That's exactly what we got.

If the Manager has a specific list of players then surely those are the players they should go for?

Why bother with a manager else, if they think they can do a better job.

Agree not a bottomless pit, so why bother signing players that dont improve the 1st team which in turn makes the bottom of the pit that little bit closer?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 19, 2016, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 10:42:01 AM
If the Manager has a specific list of players then surely those are the players they should go for?

Why bother with a manager else, if they think they can do a better job.

Agree not a bottomless pit, so why bother signing players that dont improve the 1st team which in turn makes the bottom of the pit that little bit closer?

But that ain't always the best option for example...

Pulis wants to sign joe blogs as our 6th CB
Joe bloggs is worth £5m, his club are demanding £10m
Our board feel he's not worth £10m

Therefore they are not going to pay it.

Pulis has signed ex amount of players at our club and only uses around half of them, the other half either ain't fit or he just don't fancy....

If it was your money would you trust pulis splashing out on a load of players? I know I wouldn't.

Not saying it's all down to pulis but I do believe there is more to it than people making out and it's not all the boards fault.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 11:56:40 AM
If that's the case then the board needs to get rid.

So the board is at fault still.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 12:01:59 PM
Just to add, your example is quite specific.  How about...

Pulis wants to sign joe blogs as our 1st choice striker.
Joe bloggs is worth £5m, his club are demanding £10m
Our board feel he's not worth £10m

Is the board still right?  I'm reading on here that the club had money to spend and it was available so if we can afford £10m why wouldn't we spend it?  Who decided the player's value was £5m?

I agree with roughly what you're saying - there's always a bit of a middle ground but, I think the blame for the transfer window lies squarely with the board. 

For any (or multiple) of...

* Not sacking Pulis and replacing him with a manager they trust to spend money.
* Not paying the money that we needed to pay.
* For undervaluing players.
* For not targetting players that the manager wants.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 19, 2016, 11:48:13 AM
But that ain't always the best option for example...

Pulis wants to sign joe blogs as our 6th CB
Joe bloggs is worth £5m, his club are demanding £10m
Our board feel he's not worth £10m

Therefore they are not going to pay it.

Pulis has signed ex amount of players at our club and only uses around half of them, the other half either ain't fit or he just don't fancy....

If it was your money would you trust pulis splashing out on a load of players? I know I wouldn't.

Not saying it's all down to pulis but I do believe there is more to it than people making out and it's not all the boards fault.


Adam,
People are assuming it's a Pulis vs the board situation, IMO it's not.

It's inconceivable that Tony Pulis would not have been involved in the decision making process, IMO he almost certainly would.

So in your scenario above, TP, NH & RG  would all have decided he wasn't worth £10 million, especially if ithe extra £5 million for Joe Blogs meant we couldn't afford another player we really wanted.

If you then factor in the head coach is so insistent on Joe Blogs, that he's not prepared to consider an alternative or that you've left it so late, there's no time to get an alternative, or both, then you're going to end up with nobody.

IMO we were too ambitious in the summer window. I wrote in a topic yesterday about layered objectives, we should have had layered objectives for this window.
So ideally 5 players, like to get 4, must get 3. I believe Phillips & Chadli were 2 of the 3, & if we'd have moved earlier we could have got Carvalho. Those 3 would have used up most of the budget, but there could the have been some left for another player. Any players after that would have been funded by sales.

According to statement from the club
Quote
Incoming Chairman John Williams commented: “I would like to thank Jeremy for the great work he has done at this Club over the last 14 years and I am looking forward to working with Guochuan, the board, the Head Coach and the staff, as we implement Guochuan’s vision for taking the Club forward.

“I am delighted to be joining a club in such a strong position and as we shepherd in a new era I would also like to thank Jeremy for agreeing to assist Guochuan and me with a safe handover.

"I have had several meetings with the board to discuss the strategy of the Club with regards to the playing staff and transfer window and will be looking to support them in strengthening our squad. We are committed to the task of ensuring we tackle this first season of a new era with a competitive team.

“I think it is also important to assure supporters that throughout the summer to date the Club has been operating to a well thought out, agreed and evolving transfer plan and will continue to do so for the remainder of the window. Guochuan and his team have supported this process and we will continue to conduct our business accordingly.”

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/full-statement-on-west-bromwich-albions-takeover-3226381.aspx#CsAG46DzoZ4tjdeK.99

Someone, somewhere, moved away from the plan IMO
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 12:32:38 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 12:01:59 PM
Just to add, your example is quite specific.  How about...

Pulis wants to sign joe blogs as our 1st choice striker.
Joe bloggs is worth £5m, his club are demanding £10m
Our board feel he's not worth £10m

Is the board still right?  I'm reading on here that the club had money to spend and it was available so if we can afford £10m why wouldn't we spend it?  Who decided the player's value was £5m?

I agree with roughly what you're saying - there's always a bit of a middle ground but, I think the blame for the transfer window lies squarely with the board. 

For any (or multiple) of...

* Not sacking Pulis and replacing him with a manager they trust to spend money.
* Not paying the money that we needed to pay.
* For undervaluing players.
* For not targetting players that the manager wants.

Spot on, for example Comachos release clause said €18million, so why bother offering €15mill?

Leicester wanted £12 million for Schlupp, we offered £10, why bother?

People will say you have to haggle, but how would £20 million look now for Saido, compared to £400k?

It's not a one way street, that kind of cash for Saido was well over the odds, we didn't budge, why should other clubs budge?

Quick side question for you all, if Pulis has of been in charge of Villa, Newcastle or Norwich, at the start of last season; on a scale of 1-10 how likely do you think they would've gone down?

If you don't back him, sack him.

Just don't do nothing like we normally do.

Every manager of every season has never got his squad sorted before deadline day.

Who left it late John?

Do you think Pulis or anybody would prefer to know there squad before the season starts or still unsure to this day?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 19, 2016, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 12:01:59 PM
Just to add, your example is quite specific.  How about...

Pulis wants to sign joe blogs as our 1st choice striker.
Joe bloggs is worth £5m, his club are demanding £10m
Our board feel he's not worth £10m

Is the board still right?  I'm reading on here that the club had money to spend and it was available so if we can afford £10m why wouldn't we spend it?  Who decided the player's value was £5m?

I agree with roughly what you're saying - there's always a bit of a middle ground but, I think the blame for the transfer window lies squarely with the board. 

For any (or multiple) of...

* Not sacking Pulis and replacing him with a manager they trust to spend money.
* Not paying the money that we needed to pay.
* For undervaluing players.
* For not targetting players that the manager wants.

I think I'm right in saying Pulis has spent more in fees than any other manager in our history? Therefore he's not been too badly treated overall so we can all put our violins away for him!

I think the club are within their rights to keep a handle on this spending and to expect a return on this investment like any business investing tens of millions are massive percentages of annual income in one go.

What I can't fathom out is why the hell Pulis and the club seem to be using the excuses they ran out of time or weren't in agreement over which players to sign in the end. It's poor that a business with millions to spend on 'assets' has not got plans a to z lined up in advance of a tight deadline to ensure the club (including manager) are happy (or as happy as possible) at the end of it. It's almost laughable. If we believe Pulis, HRK and others were never on his list of players to sign (even option z) - that's either bull or the club just signed players without even calling Pulis on the phone and saying "HRK - yes or no" for eg?

In my view, Pulis must take at least some blame as must Hammond, Garlick and Peace / Williams (same person for this conversation). He's part of the reason we were so poor in the transfer market.

Pulis is a politician though. The last couple of weeks have proved how good he is at self-serving which I knew when he came in of course (he's a bit like Harry Redknapp in that respect). The club tried to be political and he's made them look clumsy and silly to be fair, hence the subsequent silence from the club it seems.

If only the football teams he creates on the pitch were half as entertaining as the circus he sometimes creates at times off it, more fans might turn up!


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 12:56:56 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 19, 2016, 12:45:35 PM
I think I'm right in saying Pulis has spent more in fees than any other manager in our history? Therefore he's not been too badly treated overall so we can all put our violins away for him!

I think the club are within their rights to keep a handle on this spending and to expect a return on this investment like any business investing tens of millions are massive percentages of annual income in one go.

What I can't fathom out is why the hell Pulis and the club seem to be using the excuses they ran out of time or weren't in agreement over which players to sign in the end. It's poor that a business with millions to spend on 'assets' has not got plans a to z lined up in advance of a tight deadline to ensure the club (including manager) are happy (or as happy as possible) at the end of it. It's almost laughable. If we believe Pulis, HRK and others were never on his list of players to sign (even option z) - that's either bull or the club just signed players without even calling Pulis on the phone and saying "HRK - yes or no" for eg?

In my view, Pulis must take at least some blame as must Hammond, Garlick and Peace / Williams (same person for this conversation). He's part of the reason we were so poor in the transfer market.

Pulis is a politician though. The last couple of weeks have proved how good he is at self-serving which I knew when he came in of course (he's a bit like Harry Redknapp in that respect). The club tried to be political and he's made them look clumsy and silly to be fair, hence the subsequent silence from the club it seems.

If only the football teams he creates on the pitch were half as entertaining as the circus he sometimes creates at times off it, more fans might turn up!

I get that, and I agree.

He kept us up, he'll keep us up again, no problem.

Don't use him to deflect from your (the clubs ) shortcomings, when the masses get a bit shouty.

Funny how coincidences occur, for example, something that started in June/July that took forever, eventually was decided that October was the likely date for completion,  got sorted 1 week after the window shut.

Good old coincidence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 01:01:02 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 19, 2016, 12:45:35 PM
I think I'm right in saying Pulis has spent more in fees than any other manager in our history? Therefore he's not been too badly treated overall so we can all put our violins away for him!

I think the club are within their rights to keep a handle on this spending and to expect a return on this investment like any business investing tens of millions are massive percentages of annual income in one go.

What I can't fathom out is why the hell Pulis and the club seem to be using the excuses they ran out of time or weren't in agreement over which players to sign in the end. It's poor that a business with millions to spend on 'assets' has not got plans a to z lined up in advance of a tight deadline to ensure the club (including manager) are happy (or as happy as possible) at the end of it. It's almost laughable. If we believe Pulis, HRK and others were never on his list of players to sign (even option z) - that's either bull or the club just signed players without even calling Pulis on the phone and saying "HRK - yes or no" for eg?

In my view, Pulis must take at least some blame as must Hammond, Garlick and Peace / Williams (same person for this conversation). He's part of the reason we were so poor in the transfer market.

Pulis is a politician though. The last couple of weeks have proved how good he is at self-serving which I knew when he came in of course (he's a bit like Harry Redknapp in that respect). The club tried to be political and he's made them look clumsy and silly to be fair, hence the subsequent silence from the club it seems.

If only the football teams he creates on the pitch were half as entertaining as the circus he sometimes creates at times off it, more fans might turn up!

IMO the real test is this :Pulis walked away from Crystal Palace in summer 2014, on the principle that he was over-ruled in transfer dealings. If he's that principled & that innocent in our situation, why hasn't he done the same with us?
The club have chosen to expose him, which suggests to me a lack of confidence in his ability as a team player. It was a risky strategy, & as you say, they have been made to look clumsy in UK football circles. However, I believe any replacement is likely to come from Europe as opposed to the UK, so possibly the risk is small.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 01:04:11 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 01:01:02 PM
IMO the real test is this :Pulis walked away from Crystal Palace in summer 2014, on the principle that he was over-ruled in transfer dealings. If he's that principled & that innocent in our situation, why hasn't he done the same with us?
The club have chosen to expose him, which suggests to me a lack of confidence in his ability as a team player. It was a risky strategy, & as you say, they have been made to look clumsy in UK football circles. However, I believe any replacement is likely to come from Europe as opposed to the UK, so possibly the risk is small.

So why employ him in the 1st f#@in place then??

Oh yeah, he'll keep us up.

Get a grip John.

Palace employed him to keep them up; guess what, he did.

Expose him, for what? Being a boring functional manager, that does what it says on the tin? You can pay me a million quid to work that out.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 19, 2016, 01:09:15 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 01:04:11 PM
So why employ him in the 1st f#@in place then??

Oh yeah, he'll keep us up.

Get a grip John.

Palace employed him to keep them up; guess what, he did.
Jim, I know you love a bit of banter with John but he's right that we knew what we were getting with Pulis and he knew what he was getting with us.

Pulis (for selfish reasons) is choosing now to make public what a tough life he's had and that we've still stayed up (unlike our less illustrious neighbours).

Meanwhile, the club (for commercial reasons) are choosing to not back Pulis nor extend his contract.

As John says, the club just don't seem to support Pulis - we don't know exactly why but the club are leaving £££ in the coffers for January or next summer for a reason - maybe they want someone else to spend it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 01:16:47 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 19, 2016, 01:09:15 PM
Jim, I know you love a bit of banter with John but he's right that we knew what we were getting with Pulis and he knew what he was getting with us.

Pulis (for selfish reasons) is choosing now to make public what a tough life he's had and that we've still stayed up (unlike our less illustrious neighbours).

Meanwhile, the club (for commercial reasons) are choosing to not back Pulis nor extend his contract.

As John says, the club just don't seem to support Pulis - we don't know exactly why but the club are leaving £££ in the coffers for January or next summer for a reason - maybe they want someone else to spend it?


TBH, I try not to give answers & on the occasions when I do, I normally qualify it by saying it's my opinion.
What I like to do is pose questions, it's not intended to trap anybody, it's just enables me to follow the logic of an alternative argument.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 01:19:03 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 19, 2016, 01:09:15 PM
Jim, I know you love a bit of banter with John but he's right that we knew what we were getting with Pulis and he knew what he was getting with us.

Pulis (for selfish reasons) is choosing now to make public what a tough life he's had and that we've still stayed up (unlike our less illustrious neighbours).

Meanwhile, the club (for commercial reasons) are choosing to not back Pulis nor extend his contract.

As John says, the club just don't seem to support Pulis - we don't know exactly why but the club are leaving £££ in the coffers for January or next summer for a reason - maybe they want someone else to spend it?

Childish I know, but John was saying "Why hadnt Pulis said anything?" "Surely if it wasn't his fault he would have said something by now"

Now he has, he said the chairman was wrong and he didnt get who he wanted.

Load of bollox I agree, but people that just pick the bits out to suit an argument that makes them right,,,,

I believe the Pulis comments over the boards because ive seen the same thing for over a decade.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 01:29:42 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 19, 2016, 01:09:15 PM
Jim, I know you love a bit of banter with John but he's right that we knew what we were getting with Pulis and he knew what he was getting with us.

Pulis (for selfish reasons) is choosing now to make public what a tough life he's had and that we've still stayed up (unlike our less illustrious neighbours).

Meanwhile, the club (for commercial reasons) are choosing to not back Pulis nor extend his contract.

As John says, the club just don't seem to support Pulis - we don't know exactly why but the club are leaving £££ in the coffers for January or next summer for a reason - maybe they want someone else to spend it?

Why don't they sack him then?  Why didn't they sack him weeks ago? This whole idea that the club don't want him in charge is ludicrous - as soon as they want him gone, he'll be gone.

As for the comments that have been made, if I remember correctly, Williams made the first statement allegedly pinning the blame on Pulis.  There were even complaints on here "how come Pulis hasn't said anything".  I think it's entirely reasonable for someone to come out and put forward their position.

We know that Pulis said he wanted 5 more players.  And he said this AFTER we had already signed Phillips at least.  So for the board to come out and say that Pulis wanted 5 and he got 5 is misleading at best.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 01:45:37 PM
Not only did Pulis say he wanted 5 more players, but he also said he was confident we would get 5 more players, & if I remember right, he said that around the 29th August
Now that suggests to me, TP, NH & RG were all in harmony at that stage of the process. 48 hours later, they weren't, so what went wrong?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 01:49:43 PM
We don't know. 

I'll ask you this.

If on the 29th Pulis said he wanted 5 more players then doesn't that make Williams' statement about Pulis wanting 5 players to be deliberately misleading the fans?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 19, 2016, 01:51:10 PM
It seems Pulis & Williams went out to dinner last week, hopefully they have had a good chat and sorted out there issues - i don't feel the need to know about it providing both parties are now working together closely.

He got everything spot on at the weekend, from his initial team selection to the substitutions - the most critical of which being Nyom for Galloway which pretty much ended West Ham's threat and enabled us to get through to the end with no major issues.

The four new permanent signings on show all looked very encouraging, Morrisson looked fit & sharp, Rondon worked excellently with Chadli and Evans bossed the centre of defence like the class act he is.

There is a result for us up at Stoke next week so hopefully we can build in what is actually our best start to a season for four years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 01:52:01 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 01:45:37 PM
Not only did Pulis say he wanted 5 more players, but he also said he was confident we would get 5 more players, & if I remember right, he said that around the 29th August
Now that suggests to me, TP, NH & RG were all in harmony at that stage of the process. 48 hours later, they weren't, so what went wrong?

If I remember correctly Pulis said he NEEDED 5 MORE PLAYERS TO IMPROVE THE 1st TEAM.

Did he say that or not?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 19, 2016, 01:54:48 PM
One issue I see with how we played saturday, and I'm sure someone else has put this forward, is that Pulis has shown us he can play football. This wasn't a game where we got lucky, took our chances and fluked four goals - we were noticeably more attacking, more pressing and wanted to win the ball back. If we don't play like this regularly now, he's shot himself in the foot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 19, 2016, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 01:52:01 PM
If I remember correctly Pulis said he NEEDED 5 MORE PLAYERS TO IMPROVE THE 1st TEAM.

Did he say that or not?

Are you two at it again???!!!    :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 01:56:35 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on September 19, 2016, 01:51:10 PM
It seems Pulis & Williams went out to dinner last week, hopefully they have had a good chat and sorted out there issues - i don't feel the need to know about it providing both parties are now working together closely.

He got everything spot on at the weekend, from his initial team selection to the substitutions - the most critical of which being Nyom for Galloway which pretty much ended West Ham's threat and enabled us to get through to the end with no major issues.

The four new permanent signings on show all looked very encouraging, Morrisson looked fit & sharp, Rondon worked excellently with Chadli and Evans bossed the centre of defence like the class act he is.

There is a result for us up at Stoke next week so hopefully we can build in what is actually our best start to a season for four years.

Yep,

Think he got it spot on, I saw a tweet from someone proclaiming to be Pulis saying "prepare to be entertained Baggies fans"

You can only work with what you have.

Think Chadli has made a huge difference, McClean seemed to be told to crack on as well
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 01:58:02 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 19, 2016, 01:55:18 PM
Are you two at it again???!!!    :-\

Good grief yeah!! 😂
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 01:58:51 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on September 19, 2016, 01:54:48 PM
One issue I see with how we played saturday, and I'm sure someone else has put this forward, is that Pulis has shown us he can play football. This wasn't a game where we got lucky, took our chances and fluked four goals - we were noticeably more attacking, more pressing and wanted to win the ball back. If we don't play like this regularly now, he's shot himself in the foot.

I don't see any reason why he'd suddenly switch Evans back to LB, drop Chadli for Gardner etc.  Why wouldn't he carry on with this?  We looked sturdy at the back (well, until the 2 goals), and we carried a more potent threat going forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 19, 2016, 02:18:29 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on September 19, 2016, 01:51:10 PM
It seems Pulis & Williams went out to dinner last week, hopefully they have had a good chat and sorted out there issues - i don't feel the need to know about it providing both parties are now working together closely.

He got everything spot on at the weekend, from his initial team selection to the substitutions - the most critical of which being Nyom for Galloway which pretty much ended West Ham's threat and enabled us to get through to the end with no major issues.

The four new permanent signings on show all looked very encouraging, Morrisson looked fit & sharp, Rondon worked excellently with Chadli and Evans bossed the centre of defence like the class act he is.

There is a result for us up at Stoke next week so hopefully we can build in what is actually our best start to a season for four years.

Not much said about Nyom but I thought for the time on the pitch he did well. Looked imposing......

Good move by TP, credit where credit is due.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 19, 2016, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 01:29:42 PM
Why don't they sack him then?  Why didn't they sack him weeks ago? This whole idea that the club don't want him in charge is ludicrous - as soon as they want him gone, he'll be gone.

As for the comments that have been made, if I remember correctly, Williams made the first statement allegedly pinning the blame on Pulis.  There were even complaints on here "how come Pulis hasn't said anything".  I think it's entirely reasonable for someone to come out and put forward their position.

We know that Pulis said he wanted 5 more players.  And he said this AFTER we had already signed Phillips at least.  So for the board to come out and say that Pulis wanted 5 and he got 5 is misleading at best.

Not supporting Pulis in the transfer market and sacking him are Worlds apart. From my reading of the situation, the club are basically leaving Pulis to do what he does - keep us up or a long way towards that target then they'll invest again with someone else as Head Coach and with the Director of Football having much more input like in Ashworth's time.

Alternatively, they seeing if Pulis can coach players into finishing top 10 and have a good cup run (Pulis has never finished above mid-table in his career so this is a big challenge to him). In parallel, Pulis' 'main boss' - us the fans are increasingly wanting the style of play to evolve. Unelss Pulis does
this, we may well see the first sub 20k attendances for a long time.

Therefore, it's a wait and see for a few months approach which to me is sensible - not as sensible as going for it in the summer with a new man of course but we've chosen our course this season now!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 19, 2016, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on September 19, 2016, 01:54:48 PM
One issue I see with how we played saturday, and I'm sure someone else has put this forward, is that Pulis has shown us he can play football. This wasn't a game where we got lucky, took our chances and fluked four goals - we were noticeably more attacking, more pressing and wanted to win the ball back. If we don't play like this regularly now, he's shot himself in the foot.
Playing 2 DM's instead of 3, dropping Berahino, moving Chadli inside and giving McClean and Phillips more license to get forward was all it took. Won't work every week because leaves the FB's more exposed (was Galloway this week, but could easily be Dawson next), but it at least gives us a chance of being involved in a decent game of football.
Personally I think that, because we are back ahead of the game (7 points from 5 games), Pulis will withdraw again next week and play not to lose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 19, 2016, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on September 19, 2016, 01:54:48 PM
One issue I see with how we played saturday, and I'm sure someone else has put this forward, is that Pulis has shown us he can play football. This wasn't a game where we got lucky, took our chances and fluked four goals - we were noticeably more attacking, more pressing and wanted to win the ball back. If we don't play like this regularly now, he's shot himself in the foot.
the tone was set straight away with a quick attack from KO and phillips putting in a dangerous ball that rondon nearly converted. pulis has shown in a few games how we can be so different to the usuall negative dross but he needs to do it more often.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 19, 2016, 02:32:43 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 01:52:01 PM
If I remember correctly Pulis said he NEEDED 5 MORE PLAYERS TO IMPROVE THE 1st TEAM.

Did he say that or not?
So he thinks 6 are the best players in their positions? ;) :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 19, 2016, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 09:18:17 PM
So it shouldn't be too difficult for you to tell me then!

Quite simply they failed to get the targets in and left us short on quality. The board failed the manager and the supporters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 19, 2016, 01:55:18 PM
Are you two at it again???!!!    :-\

Actually no. I'm having conversations with somebody else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 19, 2016, 02:40:51 PM
Quite simply they failed to get the targets in and left us short on quality. The board failed the manager and the supporters.

Why did they fail to get their targets in?

Everything you've said so far, I know, but what was the reason they failed to get their targets in? You must have contacts close to the club, otherwise how would you know that Saido was told he could leave & then JP changed his mind?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 19, 2016, 02:52:38 PM
Quote from: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 01:19:03 PM
Childish I know, but John was saying "Why hadnt Pulis said anything?" "Surely if it wasn't his fault he would have said something by now"

Now he has, he said the chairman was wrong and he didnt get who he wanted.

Load of bollox I agree, but people that just pick the bits out to suit an argument that makes them right,,,,

I believe the Pulis comments over the boards because ive seen the same thing for over a decade.

We certainly have history of pulling the plug on managers (Clarke and Mel spring immediately to mind). Pulis has been blessed really compared to others with how much money he's had at his disposal.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 02:58:43 PM
For anybody interested, this is Tony Pulis's pre-match conference before the Midlesborough game on Sunday 28th August.


http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/west-brom-albion-tony-pulis-premier-league-middlesbrough-3273502.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/west-brom-albion-tony-pulis-premier-league-middlesbrough-3273502.aspx)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on September 19, 2016, 03:07:28 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 19, 2016, 02:52:38 PM
We certainly have history of pulling the plug on managers (Clarke and Mel spring immediately to mind). Pulis has been blessed really compared to others with how much money he's had at his disposal.

I think hes also been fortunate in the fact that the 1 win in 14 came split between two seasons (end of last and beginning of this).

Cant imagine if that form had of been between Nov-Jan that he would have survived it.

That being said, we seemed to attack and press alot higher up the pitch on saturday, a tactic we should use more especially when at home. I think the balance is there to press and take the game to teams at home, and to set up and be awkward away from home.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 03:13:13 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 02:50:35 PM
Why did they fail to get their targets in?
Because they wouldn't pay the prices asked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 03:30:11 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 03:13:13 PM
Because they wouldn't pay the prices asked.

What on all five?

And, wouldn't the club have forseen that situation, & modified the targets to suit. This comment from the Chairman would suggest, that was the plan wouldn't it?

Quote
“I think it is also important to assure supporters that throughout the summer to date the Club has been operating to a well thought out, agreed and evolving transfer plan and will continue to do so for the remainder of the window. Guochuan and his team have supported this process and we will continue to conduct our business accordingly.”
Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/full-statement-on-west-bromwich-albions-takeover-3226381.aspx#QK7CAg1bTJ1zHhvi.99

Doesn't the words: "well thought out", "agreed", & "evolving" suggest to you that a robust plan was in place.

Doesn't it also suggest that somebody in the team moved away from the plan?

And since it was widely reported that Tony Pulis decided that he didn't want Camacho, Isn't it fair to assume that it was Tony Pulis who moved away from the plan?

I rest my case milud.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 19, 2016, 02:32:43 PM
So he thinks 6 are the best players in their positions? ;) :-X

Don't follow that

I think he didn't get the players he wanted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 03:37:53 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 03:30:11 PM
What on all five?

Yes!!

On any player apart from Galloway on loan, Nyom, Chadli, Phillips and Kanu.

We couldn't agree; we wouldn't pay what other teams was prepared to accept.

What is so hard to understand?

No one gives a shyte about what me and you think, but, keep losing out to "minnows" we are funked.

Who's fault is that?

If JP's wealth has gone up proportionately to WBA's show me.

Could be more, could be less, show me old boys brigade, the type that blame every bugger else but themself.

Prove it.

If your listening JP, I'll prove you wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 19, 2016, 04:08:41 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 02:50:35 PM
Why did they fail to get their targets in?

Everything you've said so far, I know, but what was the reason they failed to get their targets in? You must have contacts close to the club, otherwise how would you know that Saido was told he could leave & then JP changed his mind?

I have. While I don't profess to know everything that goes on at the club, I do get a lot of genuine info from a couple of different sources. Saido was told he would be leaving and Peace did go back on what he said. The reason we failed to bring in our targets was because we refused to pay the going rate and failed to invest. From what I am told, it was because the new owners want their own manager appointed before investing heavily (when I say heavily, I am talking about in comparison to what we have spent before). Garlick has already confirmed that they were to lax earlier on in the window but it is 100% fact that targets were identified and we FAILED to secure them, hence why I can confidently say that the board let us down and have left us a few injuries away from a crisis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 04:22:04 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 19, 2016, 04:08:41 PM
I have. While I don't profess to know everything that goes on at the club, I do get a lot of genuine info from a couple of different sources. Saido was told he would be leaving and Peace did go back on what he said. The reason we failed to bring in our targets was because we refused to pay the going rate and failed to invest. From what I am told, it was because the new owners want their own manager appointed before investing heavily (when I say heavily, I am talking about in comparison to what we have spent before). Garlick has already confirmed that they were to lax earlier on in the window but it is 100% fact that targets were identified and we FAILED to secure them, hence why I can confidently say that the board let us down and have left us a few injuries away from a crisis.

OK, so we failed to land every single target, & there was no contingency plan? Fair enough, you have the contacts, I don't. I'm only going on my own experiences with a business about 1/10 the size of WBAFC, but, if we'd done that we'd have been out of business a long time ago. Don't look too good for the Albion then does it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 19, 2016, 04:45:06 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 04:22:04 PM
OK, so we failed to land every single target, & there was no contingency plan? Fair enough, you have the contacts, I don't. I'm only going on my own experiences with a business about 1/10 the size of WBAFC, but, if we'd done that we'd have been out of business a long time ago. Don't look too good for the Albion then does it?

Basically John, we could have signed the targets but the club didn't want to throw their eggs in the Pulis basket. That's pretty much what it boils down to. Pulis Will be gone soon and hopefully the club start competing by backing whoever they bring in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 19, 2016, 04:48:40 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 19, 2016, 04:08:41 PM
I have. While I don't profess to know everything that goes on at the club, I do get a lot of genuine info from a couple of different sources. Saido was told he would be leaving and Peace did go back on what he said. The reason we failed to bring in our targets was because we refused to pay the going rate and failed to invest. From what I am told, it was because the new owners want their own manager appointed before investing heavily (when I say heavily, I am talking about in comparison to what we have spent before). Garlick has already confirmed that they were to lax earlier on in the window but it is 100% fact that targets were identified and we FAILED to secure them, hence why I can confidently say that the board let us down and have left us a few injuries away from a crisis.
if this is the case VANDERLEI doesn't the new owners carry some of the blame for not getting the targets into the club, did they have a say in the matter before the club was officially sold not forgetting the sale was concluded after the window shut.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 03:30:11 PM
What on all five?

And, wouldn't the club have forseen that situation, & modified the targets to suit. This comment from the Chairman would suggest, that was the plan wouldn't it?

Doesn't the words: "well thought out", "agreed", & "evolving" suggest to you that a robust plan was in place.

Doesn't it also suggest that somebody in the team moved away from the plan?

And since it was widely reported that Tony Pulis decided that he didn't want Camacho, Isn't it fair to assume that it was Tony Pulis who moved away from the plan?

I rest my case milud.

A few things...

What do you mean "on all five", we don't know which players we targetted in which order.  Are you suggesting the 5 players we brought in were all first choice?  2nd choice?  3rd?  What happened to all the other options?

Why didn't we sign Slimani (for example)?  We were interested in him, the club was willing to sell - we just weren't willing to be the best offer.  Now, you can argue if that's right or wrong - but are you telling me that Pulis preferred HRK to Slimani? 

I don't think a robust plan was put in place at all because looking back at the window we made a right mess of it.  Is that your idea of a robust plan?  Lurching from one target to another?  Scrambling around in the out of contract bin for players?  Really?  A robust plan SHOULD have been in place and it should have accounted for us not getting every player we targetted it.  There's no other way of looking at it, the board screwed up.

As for your 'widely reported' comments - for me the jury is still out, the club have said one thing, Malaga have said something completely different.  I don't see why Malaga would lie about it if we just pulled out of the deal - I do see why our board would want to bend the truth though.  I'm sure the real answer is somewhere in between.

You're leaping around making assumptions left right and center there with little or no evidence to back it up.  I don't know about resting your case, I think you'd be more likely to be held in contempt of court.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 19, 2016, 05:24:55 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 19, 2016, 04:48:40 PM
if this is the case VANDERLEI doesn't the new owners carry some of the blame for not getting the targets into the club, did they have a say in the matter before the club was officially sold not forgetting the sale was concluded after the window shut.

Yeah both old and new owners are to blame. There is no doubt that the takeover affected our business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 19, 2016, 05:36:18 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 19, 2016, 05:24:55 PM
Yeah both old and new owners are to blame. There is no doubt that the takeover affected our business.
no excuses for January then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 05:38:11 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 05:11:36 PM
A few things...

What do you mean "on all five", we don't know which players we targetted in which order.  Are you suggesting the 5 players we brought in were all first choice?  2nd choice?  3rd?  What happened to all the other options?


I'm asking exactly the same question - Exactly what did happen to all the other options

Why didn't we sign Slimani (for example)?  We were interested in him, the club was willing to sell - we just weren't willing to be the best offer.  Now, you can argue if that's right or wrong - but are you telling me that Pulis preferred HRK to Slimani? 
Pulis would be mad to prefer HRK to Slimani, but if Slimani was too expensive for us, surely there were other options in between?

I don't think a robust plan was put in place at all because looking back at the window we made a right mess of it.  Is that your idea of a robust plan?  Lurching from one target to another?  Scrambling around in the out of contract bin for players?  Really?  A robust plan SHOULD have been in place and it should have accounted for us not getting every player we targetted it.  There's no other way of looking at it, the board screwed up.

The Chairman said that there was a robust plan & I'm inclined to believe the Chairman, on the basis that you don't become Chairman of a muliti million pound company by being an idiot.

As for your 'widely reported' comments - for me the jury is still out, the club have said one thing, Malaga have said something completely different.  I don't see why Malaga would lie about it if we just pulled out of the deal - I do see why our board would want to bend the truth though.  I'm sure the real answer is somewhere in between.

Perhaps the Jury is out for you, but it's quite conceivable that we could still have been in negotiations with Malaga when TP pulled out of the deal

You're leaping around making assumptions left right and center there with little or no evidence to back it up.  I don't know about resting your case, I think you'd be more likely to be held in contempt of court.

I think you'll find, I've put plenty of evidence to back it up, from statements from our board of directors through widespread reports from respected Journalists.

Do you know what "contempt of court" is?

What I'm actually doing is providing evidence that doesn't suit your agenda
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 19, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
Just a thought.

This Saturday is TP's 1,000 game as a manager in English football against Stoke (who are bottom) at Stoke. You couldn't make it up :) Sorry Sparky...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 06:27:36 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 19, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
Just a thought.

This Saturday is TP's 1,000 game as a manager in English football against Stoke (who are bottom) at Stoke. You couldn't make it up :) Sorry Sparky...

That would be the ultimate irony!!

Again, Sunderland and Hull; Do you think Pulis would increase their chances, as it stands of staying up or decrease them?

If you was the World's greatest businessman from Hull or mackem land (ha!) would you employ him?   

If you say no, then your a mug.

But some people on here make out that because they were very successful making gaskets for MG's they know how to make a Broadway show successful.

The concept is the same, but, the reasons behind the decisions you make are a million miles away.

The guy would make a tenner out of your kids birthday party ffs.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 19, 2016, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on September 19, 2016, 05:24:55 PM
Yeah both old and new owners are to blame. There is no doubt that the takeover affected our business.

And the not expected £20million for Berahino?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WestBromJim on September 19, 2016, 06:57:18 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on September 19, 2016, 06:41:36 PM
And the not expected £20million for Berahino?

Pulis' fault Halifax!!

deffo not Peaces.

Steak and chips.

on the table, quote/unquote/no quotes.

table.

If only the dof followed the ftp to the outcome of saturn being in the orbit of mars, then the take down of the ultimate equilibrium, would have sent the irony cascading out of the very incarceration we feel we are in currently.

Steak and chips mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 19, 2016, 07:03:02 PM
So during a transfer window and takeover, none of you had a clue what was going on because the club is as tight as a drum, but, suddenly you are all experts on the internal wrangling's of WBA, you lot don't half make me loff!

The only one who predicted a transfer was me, Phillips, and read between the lines and guessed! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 21, 2016, 08:47:58 PM
He sets sides up to defend.
We were coasting on Saturday.
What happened?...We let in  2 goals to a rubbish West Ham side.
If this is his set up, he has seriously done something wrong in the panning.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 21, 2016, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on September 21, 2016, 08:47:58 PM
He sets sides up to defend.
We were coasting on Saturday.
What happened?...We let in  2 goals to a rubbish West Ham side.
If this is his set up, he has seriously done something wrong in the panning.

Almost 3 mate 2 minutes before their first they had a free kick tha hit the bar bouncing just the right side of the line foster flapped didn't clear it and antonio? bicycle-kicked it wide
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 21, 2016, 09:13:56 PM
I had a great TV program...I was on holiday and it came on live TV.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 21, 2016, 09:25:19 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on September 21, 2016, 08:47:58 PM
He sets sides up to defend.
We were coasting on Saturday.
What happened?...We let in  2 goals to a rubbish West Ham side.
If this is his set up, he has seriously done something wrong in the panning.

Are you really moaning about winning 4-2? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 21, 2016, 09:37:08 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 21, 2016, 08:58:03 PM
Almost 3 mate 2 minutes before their first they had a free kick tha hit the bar bouncing just the right side of the line foster flapped didn't clear it and antonio? bicycle-kicked it wide

But we should have a couple more at the end from Phillips and McClean don't forget!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 22, 2016, 10:39:49 AM
Apologies if its posted elsewhere but just seen that on Saturday its Pulis's 1000th game as a manager.

Whatever peoples opinions of him and his teams that is a huge achievement and i think its quite fitting its against Stoke where he probably did his best work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 22, 2016, 11:00:44 AM
1000 matches of Pulisball = 90,000 minutes (less all the time wasting  :-[), 1,500 hours, 62  and a half days. Imagine having to sit through all of that!  :o

Congratulations Tony  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on September 22, 2016, 11:03:47 AM
Congratulations Tony 1000 how many more as the song goes GOD ONLY NO`S
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 22, 2016, 11:20:42 AM
No matter what you think of him or your grudges against his playing style it should only be fitting that he gets full on applause and recognition for such a fantastic achievement of getting to 1000 games as a manager.

Well done Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 22, 2016, 12:11:49 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on September 22, 2016, 11:20:42 AM
No matter what you think of him or your grudges against his playing style it should only be fitting that he gets full on applause and recognition for such a fantastic achievement of getting to 1000 games as a manager.

Well done Tone

Well said Tommy - 1000 games so he must be doing something right!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on September 22, 2016, 12:51:28 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 22, 2016, 12:11:49 PM
Well said Tommy - 1000 games so he must be doing something right!

True, but then Alan Buckley's a member of the 1000 games club too  :o  :P  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Westie on September 22, 2016, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: wba13 on September 22, 2016, 11:03:47 AM
Congratulations Tony 1000 how many more as the song goes GOD ONLY NO`S

???? 'God only numbers....'????? Numbers, does that refer to the 1000 matches? Sorry, I don't understand.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 22, 2016, 01:59:43 PM
Well done to Tony, 1,000 games as a manager is a big achievement. He is certainly on a list of managers who've reached 1,000 games which contains illustrious names (and some others not so illustrious);


- Len Ashurst
 - Ron Atkinson
 - Dave Bassett
 - Alan Buckley
 - Sir Matt Busby CBE
 - Brian Clough OBE
 - Steve Coppell
 - Sir Alex Ferguson CBE
 - Roy Hodgson
 - Dario Gradi MBE
 - Brian Horton
 - Lennie Lawrence
 - Lawrie McMenemy MBE
 - Harry Redknapp
 - Sir Bobby Robson CBE
 - Joe Royle
 - Denis Smith
 - Jim Smith
 - Alec Stock
 - Graham Taylor OBE
 - Graham Turner
 - Neil Warnock
 - Arsene Wenger OBE
 - Danny Wilson
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 22, 2016, 02:58:34 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 22, 2016, 01:59:43 PM
Well done to Tony, 1,000 games as a manager is a big achievement. He is certainly on a list of managers who've reached 1,000 games which contains illustrious names (and some others not so illustrious);


- Len Ashurst
 - Ron Atkinson
 - Dave Bassett
 - Alan Buckley
 - Sir Matt Busby CBE
 - Brian Clough OBE
 - Steve Coppell
 - Sir Alex Ferguson CBE
 - Roy Hodgson
 - Dario Gradi MBE
 - Brian Horton
 - Lennie Lawrence
 - Lawrie McMenemy MBE
 - Harry Redknapp
 - Sir Bobby Robson CBE
 - Joe Royle
 - Denis Smith
 - Jim Smith
 - Alec Stock
 - Graham Taylor OBE
 - Graham Turner
 - Neil Warnock
 - Arsene Wenger OBE
 - Danny Wilson

5th Albion manager.

That's some going out of 25.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 22, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 04:22:04 PM
OK, so we failed to land every single target, & there was no contingency plan? Fair enough, you have the contacts, I don't. I'm only going on my own experiences with a business about 1/10 the size of WBAFC, but, if we'd done that we'd have been out of business a long time ago. Don't look too good for the Albion then does it?
I'm just glad I wasn't one your employees at the business you keep banging on about that gives you such understanding of how to run a football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 22, 2016, 05:37:18 PM
Well done Tony Pulis for reaching 1000 games!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on September 22, 2016, 06:14:24 PM
In his press conference today he says that modern players are film stars. Trouble is he can't work out if he wants to direct a horror film, a carry on or an action thriller.

So far his ratio at Albion is something like 80/15/5 respectively.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Groovephil on September 22, 2016, 07:21:06 PM
No matter what you think of the guy a 1,000 games is a great achievement. Hope the fans get right behind him Sat and the players do the job.

Well done Tony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 22, 2016, 07:23:14 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 22, 2016, 02:58:34 PM
5th Albion manager.

That's some going out of 25.

I'm not up on all of those managers careers but we must be getting on for the most popular club on that list!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 22, 2016, 07:37:51 PM
Top man TP dont forget 3 points from Stoke  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 22, 2016, 09:41:36 PM
Come on TP, 6 points from the next 2 games, make it aard for Mr Lai to sack you!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 22, 2016, 09:54:32 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on September 22, 2016, 12:51:28 PM
True, but then Alan Buckley's a member of the 1000 games club too  :o  :P  ;) .

Although none of Buckley's were in the top division :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 23, 2016, 01:17:21 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on September 22, 2016, 12:51:28 PM
True, but then Alan Buckley's a member of the 1000 games club too  :o  :P  ;) .

I didn't know that. Second, how is it even possible?  :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 23, 2016, 06:20:19 AM
Respect to the bloke on his achievement love him or loathe him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 23, 2016, 06:25:25 AM
Name your price to sit and watch all 1000 games like a box set. I would want at least a hundred grand plus counselling fees for after the achievement!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on September 23, 2016, 06:27:49 AM
Well to get to 1000 matches as a Manager is a fantastic achievement so well done to Tony Pulis!

One comment I'd make, is how well he comes across in his Press Conferences.

He seems a very decent straight talking and likeable bloke (unlike many high profile managers I could think of) and I do sometimes think many Albion supporters underestimate just what a quality manager we have here.

I know that will probably get howls of derision, but just my personal view as a longstanding Albion supporter.

Hopefully we can all celebrate his 1000th match tomorrow with 3 points at Stoke.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 23, 2016, 07:58:34 AM
Quote from: darbolina on September 22, 2016, 01:59:43 PM
Well done to Tony, 1,000 games as a manager is a big achievement. He is certainly on a list of managers who've reached 1,000 games which contains illustrious names (and some others not so illustrious);


- Len Ashurst
 - Ron Atkinson
 - Dave Bassett
 - Alan Buckley
 - Sir Matt Busby CBE
 - Brian Clough OBE
 - Steve Coppell
 - Sir Alex Ferguson CBE
 - Roy Hodgson
 - Dario Gradi MBE
 - Brian Horton
 - Lennie Lawrence
 - Lawrie McMenemy MBE
 - Harry Redknapp
 - Sir Bobby Robson CBE
 - Joe Royle
 - Denis Smith
 - Jim Smith
 - Alec Stock
 - Graham Taylor OBE
 - Graham Turner
 - Neil Warnock
 - Arsene Wenger OBE
 - Danny Wilson

Are you sure about Steve Coppell  according to Wiki (I know!) he's on 989. Some of his career appointments have been as a director of football rather than as a manager.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Coppell
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 23, 2016, 08:09:23 AM
1,000 games Tone, congrats.

Let's hope it's your last :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 23, 2016, 08:20:24 AM
Quote from: darbolina on September 22, 2016, 01:59:43 PM
Well done to Tony, 1,000 games as a manager is a big achievement. He is certainly on a list of managers who've reached 1,000 games which contains illustrious names (and some others not so illustrious);


- Len Ashurst
 - Ron Atkinson
 - Dave Bassett
 - Alan Buckley
 - Sir Matt Busby CBE
 - Brian Clough OBE
 - Steve Coppell
 - Sir Alex Ferguson CBE
 - Roy Hodgson
 - Dario Gradi MBE
 - Brian Horton
 - Lennie Lawrence
 - Lawrie McMenemy MBE
 - Harry Redknapp
 - Sir Bobby Robson CBE
 - Joe Royle
 - Denis Smith
 - Jim Smith
 - Alec Stock
 - Graham Taylor OBE
 - Graham Turner
 - Neil Warnock
 - Arsene Wenger OBE
 - Danny Wilson
Only two still manage.  ;) Different era... move on. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 23, 2016, 08:46:25 AM
Quote from: Brummie Road on September 23, 2016, 06:27:49 AM
Well to get to 1000 matches as a Manager is a fantastic achievement so well done to Tony Pulis!

One comment I'd make, is how well he comes across in his Press Conferences.

He seems a very decent straight talking and likeable bloke (unlike many high profile managers I could think of) and I do sometimes think many Albion supporters underestimate just what a quality manager we have here.

I know that will probably get howls of derision, but just my personal view as a longstanding Albion supporter.

Hopefully we can all celebrate his 1000th match tomorrow with 3 points at Stoke.


You won't get howls of derision from me, there is no doubt about it, he does a job, but if you look at his track record, it's almost always in a "fire fighting" role. IMO, now that we have new owners, we should be able to attract a head coach who a) has some success working in a continental style system,b) is low risk, & c) plays a more attractive style of football.
That's what I'm expecting to see at some stage.

When he first came here, I too saw an honest straight talking man, but now, I'm seeing an unacceptable level of arrogance, it's that, more than anything, that's turned me against him.

But hey Tone, I don't want to rain on your parade, & well done for the 1000 games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 23, 2016, 09:46:00 AM
1000 games of Pulis ball. Holy rubbish! Imagine watching them back to back  :o
Personally I think it's a sad indictment, on the modern game, that someone with such a one dimensional, fearful, cowardly, attritional approach to the game has lasted so long.
Don't get me wrong, he has found a niche in the game and exploited it, especially in the greed league, so fair play to him. I just hope he is a dying breed and the game evolves beyond him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on September 23, 2016, 09:56:23 AM
Alan Buckley and Dennis Smith are on that list and in my opinion while they were at the Albion they were worse managers than Pulis. Also not forgetting Atkinson second time round.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 23, 2016, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 23, 2016, 08:46:25 AM

You won't get howls of derision from me, there is no doubt about it, he does a job, but if you look at his track record, it's almost always in a "fire fighting" role. IMO, now that we have new owners, we should be able to attract a head coach who a) has some success working in a continental style system,b) is low risk, & c) plays a more attractive style of football.
That's what I'm expecting to see at some stage.

When he first came here, I too saw an honest straight talking man, but now, I'm seeing an unacceptable level of arrogance, it's that, more than anything, that's turned me against him.

But hey Tone, I don't want to rain on your parade, & well done for the 1000 games.

Top post John. Sums up my feelings towards him too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 23, 2016, 10:58:05 AM
Quote from: Brummie Road on September 23, 2016, 06:27:49 AM
Well to get to 1000 matches as a Manager is a fantastic achievement so well done to Tony Pulis!

One comment I'd make, is how well he comes across in his Press Conferences.

He seems a very decent straight talking and likeable bloke (unlike many high profile managers I could think of) and I do sometimes think many Albion supporters underestimate just what a quality manager we have here.

I know that will probably get howls of derision, but just my personal view as a longstanding Albion supporter.

Hopefully we can all celebrate his 1000th match tomorrow with 3 points at Stoke.

I happen to agree with you, I quite like him as a bloke, and he does come across well in press conferences.

I just wonder what our mood will be if he turns in a couple of more 'West Ham' type performances - it has been rather quiet this week on the forum about how bad we are.

There is no doubt he is a quality manager and he can get a good tune out of any team, but it comes at a cost as we know. He is very good at what he does.

I do wonder in a couple of years time if we are firefighting relegation with the 'flair' big name manager that we all welcomed if we will look back and say 'at least we were safe with TP'........

Some Stoke fans already want him back.

Sometimes its better the devil you know, I see us as a work in progress, and TP is playing his part at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on September 23, 2016, 12:05:36 PM
Im not sure I really see us as a work in progress.

In 5 years time
Brunt - 36
Morrison, 35
Foster 38
Fletcher 37
Mcauley 41
Myhill 38
Olsson 38
Gardner 34
Yacob 34

So you would expect none of those to still be here playing first team football. 

Berahino, Mcmanamen, Poco, Chadli (because hes too good) will likely not be around in 1/2 seasons time too.

So we have a hell of a lot of replacing to do. With our consistently botched up transfer windows thats a lot of relying on the academy.

So is the plan for Pulis to try and keep us up again and then hope we somehow strike gold next summer in the transfer window with a new manager?

Truthfully the only way I see us being a top 12 feature in the next 5 years is if the new owners turn out to be way more minted than they seem. Otherwise, with or without Pulis we are likely in for a struggle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 23, 2016, 12:10:55 PM
Regardless of personal opinions it is a major achievement to manage 1,000 professional game, even more so when you consider he managed to re invent himself as a Premier League manager fairly late in his career.

Getting Stoke up was a massive feat, as was keeping them up as their promotion squad was one of the weakest ever to be promoted. Establishing them in the PL was even more of an achievement.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 23, 2016, 12:19:39 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on September 23, 2016, 09:46:00 AM
1000 games of Pulis ball. Holy rubbish! Imagine watching them back to back  :o
Personally I think it's a sad indictment, on the modern game, that someone with such a one dimensional, fearful, cowardly, attritional approach to the game has lasted so long.
Don't get me wrong, he has found a niche in the game and exploited it, especially in the greed league, so fair play to him. I just hope he is a dying breed and the game evolves beyond him.

While I don't like his football at all isn't the beauty of football that there are different styles / ways of playing. Conte / Simeone / Mourinho often have played like Pulis they just have a better calibre of player.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on September 23, 2016, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: RowleyBaggie2 on September 23, 2016, 12:10:55 PM
Regardless of personal opinions it is a major achievement to manage 1,000 professional game, even more so when you consider he managed to re invent himself as a Premier League manager fairly late in his career.

Getting Stoke up was a massive feat, as was keeping them up as their promotion squad was one of the weakest ever to be promoted. Establishing them in the PL was even more of an achievement.

I agree. I can understand the criticisms of him that people give, but I disagree when they call him a 'dinosaur' which is a term commonly used. You can't be a dinosaur and last 1000 games, it's just not possible - he's clearly tweaked parts of his game to survive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 23, 2016, 12:58:24 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on September 23, 2016, 12:19:39 PM
While I don't like his football at all isn't the beauty of football that there are different styles / ways of playing. Conte / Simeone / Mourinho often have played like Pulis they just have a better calibre of player.
Not for me. I would rather watch two teams go toe to toe trying to win the game, plus I don't think any of the above are quite as cowardly in their approach as TP.
It's like watching a boxing match where one is content to hold and spoil just to tick the clock down. Tactically it may work, but as a spectacle it is a non event and a little bit embarrassing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 23, 2016, 04:00:52 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on September 23, 2016, 12:05:36 PM
Berahino, Mcmanamen, Poco, Chadli (because hes too good) will likely not be around in 1/2 seasons time too.

So we have a hell of a lot of replacing to do. With our consistently botched up transfer windows thats a lot of relying on the academy.

Oh come on mate, that's an excessively negative view on things. We can't keep getting "lucky", at a certain point one must admit there's a degree of skill in getting people in.

If, on average, we signed 8 people in a summer, currently trends would state that we'll sign 2 or 3 lemons who just won't work out, 3 or 4 solid but not spectacular players who will do a job and 1 or 2 top players who will be "too good" for us.

For every Rondon & (dare i say it) Chaldi, there's 2 Philips & McClean & 2 McManaman & Gamboa's.

We'd like to sign more top level players, obviously, but we're not in a trendy part of the country & we're not a trophie winning team, so short of over paying we have to shop smarter.

Every year we're in the top flight we're building a stronger foundation, making it less & less likely that we'll ever drop into the 3rd tier or below.

Pulis will resort to type, 1 good result does not make him an entertainer. Eventually the new owners will want to take clients and friends to the club for games and be entertained. 0-0 doesn't do that. Pulis will be gone by next August and the next one will be more attack minded. What happens then? Who knows?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 23, 2016, 04:27:30 PM
Quote from: bry on September 22, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
I'm just glad I wasn't one your employees at the business you keep banging on about that gives you such understanding of how to run a football club.
bry,

I've taken quite a long time deciding how I should reply to this post, including not replying at all, however.......................................The reason I mentioned my experiences was: Unless you've been involved in a business at board level, it's difficult to understand "boardroom politics", & unless you do, then some of the decisions may seem a bit odd.
I have to say there are a number of members of this forum who do understand boardroom politics, & it's mainly those members I am addressing with my posts.

Finally, I'm really pleased that you wouldn't want to be one of my employees, one of the worst jobs in the world is telling somebody they haven't made the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 23, 2016, 04:30:27 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on September 23, 2016, 12:05:36 PM
Im not sure I really see us as a work in progress.

In 5 years time
Brunt - 36
Morrison, 35
Foster 38
Fletcher 37
Mcauley 41
Myhill 38
Olsson 38
Gardner 34
Yacob 34

So you would expect none of those to still be here playing first team football. 

Berahino, Mcmanamen, Poco, Chadli (because hes too good) will likely not be around in 1/2 seasons time too.

So we have a hell of a lot of replacing to do. With our consistently botched up transfer windows thats a lot of relying on the academy.

So is the plan for Pulis to try and keep us up again and then hope we somehow strike gold next summer in the transfer window with a new manager?

Truthfully the only way I see us being a top 12 feature in the next 5 years is if the new owners turn out to be way more minted than they seem. Otherwise, with or without Pulis we are likely in for a struggle.


Pulis has mentioned repeatedly in interviews that the squad is too old and lacking in real quality. He has clearly identified the issue you refer to and it is apparent to many fans. However there are still fans who want to replace this manager with some patsy who will sign the cheap foreign players the club tells them to; the thing that has caused the problem in the first place. This window we finally dumped all the woeful 'Irvine' transfers, something it's probably unfair to call them. A few years of substandard recruitment has culminated in this massive problem and it'll take a similar amount of time to correct.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 23, 2016, 06:55:35 PM
I think Tony is in a weird spot where for a mid to bottom table manager he's built a recognizable brand for himself. So if he finds himself out of a job, his name will always come up due to his resume for a lower PL side to hire if they need a coach which is obviously good.  The bad news that brand probably prevents him from ever getting a top 7 in England because of the negative association. Liverpool/Spurs/Chelsea level clubs will never hire him so he's basically made a ceiling and a floor for the type of team he can coach.

His best shot at ever getting a European level squad is to hope a big-ish club like Southampton/Everton/West Ham battle relegation for a year and he goes save them which means he gets to coach them the next year when presumably they will invest a lot more to compete for Europe. The other option is him dropping down a level if/when big clubs like Newcastle go down and bringing them back up again with massive investment backing him

Other than that he's basically reached his peak in England so I can understand the frustrations he has with the board at times because he knows he needs to shake the stigma of just being a safety coach to being one where he can develop a team into a top 8 squad to get a higher level job but the board doesn't give him a blank check.

Mind you I didn't follow soccer back when TP was at Stoke but I read he was given a lot of money there and results were mixed so I understand the need to not give Tony too much money.

I think for the rest of the season if this is his last, Tony will just try to shake some stigma off him like he's going to play Fields a lot to show teams hey I play youth, we might get an extra open game or two just to try to get top 10 and TP can brag about that. It's kind of funny but it seems TP is just auditioning for his next job the rest of the way because he can see the end is near.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 23, 2016, 06:59:52 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 23, 2016, 06:55:35 PM
I think Tony is in a weird spot where for a mid to bottom table manager he's built a recognizable brand for himself. So if he finds himself out of a job, his name will always come up due to his resume for a lower PL side to hire if they need a coach which is obviously good.  The bad news that brand probably prevents him from ever getting a top 7 in England because of the negative association. Liverpool/Spurs/Chelsea level clubs will never hire him so he's basically made a ceiling and a floor for the type of team he can coach.

His best shot at ever getting a European level squad is to hope a big-ish club like Southampton/Everton/West Ham battle relegation for a year and he goes save them which means he gets to coach them the next year when presumably they will invest a lot more to compete for Europe. The other option is him dropping down a level if/when big clubs like Newcastle go down and bringing them back up again with massive investment backing him

Other than that he's basically reached his peak in England so I can understand the frustrations he has with the board at times because he knows he needs to shake the stigma of just being a safety coach to being one where he can develop a team into a top 8 squad to get a higher level job but the board doesn't give him a blank check.

Mind you I didn't follow soccer back when TP was at Stoke but I read he was given a lot of money there and results were mixed so I understand the need to not give Tony too much money.

I think for the rest of the season if this is his last, Tony will just try to shake some stigma off him like he's going to play Fields a lot to show teams hey I play youth, we might get an extra open game or two just to try to get top 10 and TP can brag about that. It's kind of funny but it seems TP is just auditioning for his next job the rest of the way because he can see the end is near.

He doesn't need to audition for anything, he's too long in the tooth to change his methods, and has probably accepted his place in the chain. What is for sure is that any Premier League club in danger of relegation going into the Christmas period would have an unemployed Tony Pulis at the top of their wishlist. He won't be short of offers this time next season if we don't extend his deal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 23, 2016, 08:02:41 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 23, 2016, 04:27:30 PM
bry,

I've taken quite a long time deciding how I should reply to this post, including not replying at all, however.......................................The reason I mentioned my experiences was: Unless you've been involved in a business at board level, it's difficult to understand "boardroom politics", & unless you do, then some of the decisions may seem a bit odd.
I have to say there are a number of members of this forum who do understand boardroom politics, & it's mainly those members I am addressing with my posts.

Finally, I'm really pleased that you wouldn't want to be one of my employees, one of the worst jobs in the world is telling somebody they haven't made the team.
Mike Ashley is pretty good at making money from business.Hes got a bit of board room experience I'd imagine. Didn't his team get relegated last year?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 23, 2016, 08:11:28 PM
Quote from: bry on September 23, 2016, 08:02:41 PM
Mike Ashley is pretty good at making money from business.Hes got a bit of board room experience I'd imagine. Didn't his team get relegated last year?

Indeed they did,but that's what happens  when you take your eye off the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 23, 2016, 08:19:39 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on September 23, 2016, 04:00:52 PM
Oh come on mate, that's an excessively negative view on things. We can't keep getting "lucky", at a certain point one must admit there's a degree of skill in getting people in.

If, on average, we signed 8 people in a summer, currently trends would state that we'll sign 2 or 3 lemons who just won't work out, 3 or 4 solid but not spectacular players who will do a job and 1 or 2 top players who will be "too good" for us.

For every Rondon & (dare i say it) Chaldi, there's 2 Philips & McClean & 2 McManaman & Gamboa's.

We'd like to sign more top level players, obviously, but we're not in a trendy part of the country & we're not a trophie winning team, so short of over paying we have to shop smarter.

Every year we're in the top flight we're building a stronger foundation, making it less & less likely that we'll ever drop into the 3rd tier or below.

Pulis will resort to type, 1 good result does not make him an entertainer. Eventually the new owners will want to take clients and friends to the club for games and be entertained. 0-0 doesn't do that. Pulis will be gone by next August and the next one will be more attack minded. What happens then? Who knows?

An excellent post fella.

Agree whole heartedly with what you say there.

JP getting Pulis in was to keep us in the Prem at any cost (the cost being the football on show) we are building ourselves a stronger foundation and Pulis will be gone one day but we will be a properly established mid-table Prem club, lets hope the next person who manages us can take us to the next level and lets hope the owner finances that upwards movement but until then Pulis will keep us where we need to be

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 23, 2016, 09:08:35 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 23, 2016, 08:11:28 PM
Indeed they did,but that's what happens  when you take your eye off the ball.
or having board room experience in an non football related industry doesn't provide you with the so called wisdom you propose to have regarding running a football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 23, 2016, 09:28:34 PM
Quote from: bry on September 23, 2016, 09:08:35 PM
or having board room experience in an non football related industry doesn't provide you with the so called wisdom you propose to have regarding running a football club.
I had the pleasure of meeting "John" once Bry.
Nice chap very thoughtful. Listened more than talked. So hardly anything was said betwixt us. LOL!!   8)
I think he is wrong re Pulis. I do not think he is "arrogant". He Pulis simply knows what the game is?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on September 23, 2016, 09:45:39 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on September 23, 2016, 09:28:34 PM
I had the pleasure of meeting "John" once Bry.
Nice chap very thoughtful. Listened more than talked. So hardly anything was said betwixt us. LOL!!   8)
I think he is wrong re Pulis. I do not think he is "arrogant". He Pulis simply knows what the game is?
I don't think he is arrogant either just argumentative and he doesn't let the facts get in the way of his own perspective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 23, 2016, 09:53:19 PM
Quote from: bry on September 23, 2016, 09:08:35 PM
or having board room experience in an non football related industry doesn't provide you with the so called wisdom you propose to have regarding running a football club.

bry,

It doesn't matter if you're running a football club or GEC, the internal politics are the same, we've seen that in the last 48 hours with TP's comments about John Williams & Guochuan Lai. Pulis thinks he has direct access to Mr Lai, he doesn't, he has to go through John Williams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 23, 2016, 10:04:03 PM
Quote from: bry on September 23, 2016, 09:45:39 PM
I don't think he is arrogant either just argumentative and he doesn't let the facts get in the way of his own perspective.
I did not mean John was "arrogant" But John thinks Pulis is.
I disagree with John on that. Pulis knows what is needed. The rest are wetting in the wind.
Let's see over the next few games if Pulis can work his points with what he has.
I personally think he has been left short for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 23, 2016, 11:46:45 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on September 23, 2016, 10:04:03 PM
I did not mean John was "arrogant" But John thinks Pulis is.
I disagree with John on that. Pulis knows what is needed. The rest are wetting in the wind.
Let's see over the next few games if Pulis can work his points with what he has.
I personally think he has been left short for whatever reason.

Glos,

When I say Pulis is arrogant, Pulis thinks he is WBA, he isn't, he's just a cog in the wheel.

To quote Pink Floyd

"Hey Pulis, leave those kids alone

All in all you're just another brick in the wall"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on September 24, 2016, 12:28:39 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 23, 2016, 11:46:45 PM
Glos,

When I say Pulis is arrogant, Pulis thinks he is WBA, he isn't, he's just a cog in the wheel.

To quote Pink Floyd

"Hey Pulis, leave those kids alone

All in all you're just another brick in the wall"

Complete pooh fella.....at times his football is dire yes, but to suggest "Pulis thinks he is WBA" is one for the pony pot. Evidence (resoundingly) will tell you he's been the strongest cog a faultering wheel over the past 2 season! He's an experienced chap....too long in the tooth for this sort of garbage. I respect the fact he has consistency in his convictions and quite frankly he's should be admired for not relinquishing his morals to be a 'yes man'. Only
The pitch/transfers then yes.........Mr WBA...no!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on September 24, 2016, 12:55:17 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on September 23, 2016, 12:58:24 PM
Not for me. I would rather watch two teams go toe to toe trying to win the game, plus I don't think any of the above are quite as cowardly in their approach as TP.
It's like watching a boxing match where one is content to hold and spoil just to tick the clock down. Tactically it may work, but as a spectacle it is a non event and a little bit embarrassing.

I would argue they aren't as cowardly because they have better attacking players. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 24, 2016, 06:27:07 AM
Another short from the Express about our Tone

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/713792/West-Brom-Tony-Pulis-1000-games-football-manager-milestone

Him naked dropping the nut on James Beattie? I think I'm mentally scared  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 24, 2016, 08:25:57 AM
Quote from: sconesy on September 24, 2016, 12:28:39 AM
Complete pooh fella.....at times his football is dire yes, but to suggest "Pulis thinks he is WBA" is one for the pony pot. Evidence (resoundingly) will tell you he's been the strongest cog a faultering wheel over the past 2 season! He's an experienced chap....too long in the tooth for this sort of garbage. I respect the fact he has consistency in his convictions and quite frankly he's should be admired for not relinquishing his morals to be a 'yes man'. Only
The pitch/transfers then yes.........Mr WBA...no!

Yet another one who has to use expletives to get his point across.

If you listen to Pulis's press conferences, & especially, since the transfer window, he's coming across, to me at least, as "I can live without WBA, but WBA can't live without me". From your comments, it looks as though you believe that too.
I respect the fact that he has consistency in his convictions, & that he believes in himself. I also respect what he's done for WBA in steadying the ship, but his time has been & gone, & if you listen to his press conferences carefully, he knows that.

With reference to your "yes man" comments, no business in their right minds want "yes men", if you follow progressive businesses, they all want people who are going to question existing practices, it's the only way to progress in today's fast moving environment. What they do want though is team players, people who are not frightened to put forward their own ideas, but at the same time accept & embrace other's ideas. Just don't see our Tone in that category.

Also the points about running a football club is different from running any other business, football is a different "product" that's all, the business rules are exactly the same.
So the accusations of JP salting away millions, is not only preposterous, but also illegal, all businesses have to account for every penny that comes in & goes out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 24, 2016, 12:22:05 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on September 23, 2016, 11:46:45 PM
Glos,

When I say Pulis is arrogant, Pulis thinks he is WBA, he isn't, he's just a cog in the wheel.

To quote Pink Floyd

"Hey Pulis, leave those kids alone

All in all you're just another brick in the wall"
I know what you mean John.Thing is he has not got to 1000 games in today's hire and fire climate without knowing what is needed to progress.Pulis is in the front rank so to speak the Chairman and others can hide to a degree behind his back.
Take Chadli out for example and I for what it's worth i think we have stood still.
Nothing new in our awful transfer windows of late.It may improve we will see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 24, 2016, 12:49:58 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on September 24, 2016, 12:22:05 PM
I know what you mean John.Thing is he has not got to 1000 games in today's hire and fire climate without knowing what is needed to progress.Pulis is in the front rank so to speak the Chairman and others can hide to a degree behind his back.
Take Chadli out for example and I for what it's worth i think we have stood still.
Nothing new in our awful transfer windows of late.It may improve we will see.

I agree Ian, JP has done a good job over a long period, but TP has bailed him out from some bad decisions and sloppy transfer windows over the last three years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 24, 2016, 01:47:55 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on September 24, 2016, 12:49:58 PM
I agree Ian, JP has done a good job over a long period, but TP has bailed him out from some bad decisions and sloppy transfer windows over the last three years.
Indeed a friend of mine for example is an Everton fan.When we bought Anichebe he said he is no good.
Might well be harsh but he was not a success.
How come he knew but the highly paid so called "experts" we have did not?
So I can see how Pulis may well come over as arrogant as he may well feel he has his back to the wall.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on September 24, 2016, 05:03:45 PM
Relieved to get a point today but one thing I wanted to bring up is how we as a team/Pulis are always REACTIVE to events on the pitch rather than PROACTIVE.

We never seem to make subs first in order to gain an advantage. It always takes us going a goal behind to make any changes.

These changes usually make us better and sometimes, like today we get back in the game (however many times we don't).

I just don't understand why we never make these changes first when we are showing signs of struggling! so frustrating!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 24, 2016, 05:08:59 PM
First and foremost away from home in this division protect the point, we still lack quality in central midfield so getting men behind the ball is a must. Did Foster have a save to make aside from the deflected goal? Good away performance, good work Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on September 24, 2016, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 24, 2016, 05:08:59 PM
First and foremost away from home in this division protect the point, we still lack quality in central midfield so getting men behind the ball is a must. Did Foster have a save to make aside from the deflected goal? Good away performance, good work Tony Pulis.
The reason we lack quality in central midfield is because Pulis refused to sign Camacho and sees Fletcher as a sacred cow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on September 24, 2016, 05:15:05 PM
Happy with that, remember the days going to Stoke was an inevitable defeat? despite playing "pretty football", solid away point, few positives few areas to improve upon. Thank you Mr.Pulis and congratulations on 1000 games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 24, 2016, 05:31:15 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 24, 2016, 05:14:20 PM
The reason we lack quality in central midfield is because Pulis refused to sign Camacho and sees Fletcher as a sacred cow.

Yacob's performance showed why there was no need to spend big on another sitting midfielder. I lost count of the interceptions he made.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 24, 2016, 05:36:17 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on September 24, 2016, 05:31:15 PM
Yacob's performance showed why there was no need to spend big on another sitting midfielder. I lost count of the interceptions he made.

Neither Yacob or Fletcher can pass wind most of the time though. We need far more quality on the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 24, 2016, 05:36:29 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on September 24, 2016, 05:31:15 PM
Yacob's performance showed why there was no need to spend big on another sitting midfielder. I lost count of the interceptions he made.

He had a fantastic game, he does that every week pretty much.

Really wish he'd play Morrison over Fletcher. Would give us a much better balance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 24, 2016, 07:47:44 PM
Only 32 more points till we reach the magic number!!!

J/K, it will be big for Tony to get a win next week at Sunderland because the 3 games after it will be very tough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 25, 2016, 12:03:16 AM
We have got a good back four at the minute and Rondon and chads have the ingredients of a worth while partnership up top. Do we really need to out and out ultra defensive midfielders in yacob and Fletcher? I think at the minute Philips, yacob, Morrison and macclean should get the nod
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 25, 2016, 10:04:48 AM
Quote from: maccbaggie on September 24, 2016, 05:14:20 PM
The reason we lack quality in central midfield is because Pulis refused to sign Camacho and sees Fletcher as a sacred cow.

1000 per cent agreed , he knew the signing would present him with a problem .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on September 25, 2016, 12:30:26 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 24, 2016, 05:36:17 PM
Neither Yacob or Fletcher can pass wind most of the time though. We need far more quality on the ball.
think thats a tad unfair on your assement of yacob,yep long range passing  isnt in his locker but he very rarely puts them astray when passing short and is happy to recieve the ball under pressure.if he had the long range radar he wouldnt be here.candidate for motm for me yesterday.as for fletcher thats another story and sacred cow easily springs to mind
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on September 26, 2016, 05:57:44 AM
1000 games. Wow. Imagine the highlights on dvd could cure insomnia.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on September 26, 2016, 08:32:33 AM
Quote from: kris_boing on September 26, 2016, 05:57:44 AM
1000 games. Wow. Imagine the highlights on dvd could cure insomnia.

Excellent news.

I'll be first in line to buy it  :(  .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 26, 2016, 05:20:15 PM
TP tightening his grip? :-\

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/ben-garner-west-brom-albion-assistant-head-coach-premier-league-3330173.aspx
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: don1thedon on September 26, 2016, 05:24:18 PM
Yes I'd just noticed that, we have 3 assistant head coaches now!
"He joins David Kemp and Mark O'Connor as Assistant Head Coach at The Hawthorns."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 26, 2016, 05:42:32 PM
Means nothing in the grand scheme of things

What on earth is the difference between an assistant head coach and first team coach?

Merely playing with titles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 26, 2016, 06:11:10 PM
unless we are getting a new 1st team coach as well ......but that would seem a bit of an overloaded coaching setup
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on September 27, 2016, 12:49:18 PM
Still think he will be gone before the new year, I expect us to maybe beat Sunderland this weekend, but they are due a win. The games after that are all tough. Surely the poor home gates, style of football are a big concern, I think maybe even after the Tottenham game something could happen, Mr Lai is over for that game. Bad result poor gate, could see him gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on September 29, 2016, 12:40:09 PM
Flurry of over night bets for TP to get the chop apparently.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/09/29/premier-league-sack-race-odds-tumble-for-tony-pulis-to-leave-west-brom/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/09/29/premier-league-sack-race-odds-tumble-for-tony-pulis-to-leave-west-brom/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 29, 2016, 01:16:15 PM
He also says he's open to being offered a contract extension.
If he can get 5 years this will be his last job in management.

Jaysus  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on September 29, 2016, 01:27:47 PM
Pulis open to Albion extension    :o :(

Read more at: https://www.clubcall.com/west-bromwich-albion/pulis-open-to-albion-extension-1826749.html

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on September 29, 2016, 01:44:26 PM
Do the betting company`s know something we don`t ie to do with bungs or do some fans know something that's why a flurry of bets it makes you wonder if something`s going on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 29, 2016, 02:04:11 PM
Quote from: wba13 on September 29, 2016, 01:44:26 PM
Do the betting company`s know something we don`t ie to do with bungs or do some fans know something that's why a flurry of bets it makes you wonder if something`s going on.

Maybe Tones had a flutter on himself.
Get the sack and make a few bob on the side
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on September 29, 2016, 05:17:27 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 29, 2016, 05:07:45 PM
Haven't really seen anything in the Telegraph regarding a current Prem manager.  It's good to know our fans are considering our own manager guilty though.

I seem to recall that the reason the FA chose Roy Hodgson over 'Dirty' Harry Redknapp was that 'Arry had a percieved fondness for brown envelopes and the FA didn't want any potential scandal blow up in their faces...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on September 29, 2016, 05:24:31 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 29, 2016, 02:10:53 PM
Makes you think with these managers that buy players then don't play them

I keep thinking of that quote from the secret footballer about a manager signing players with the same agent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on September 29, 2016, 09:02:17 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 29, 2016, 05:22:46 PM
They will name 8 current or former PL managers over the next couple of days.

Speculation that one is Pulis is just wishful thinking from a selfish few.

I wonder if 'Arry is one of them ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 29, 2016, 09:05:14 PM
Quote from: gerry m on September 29, 2016, 09:02:17 PM
I wonder if 'Arry is one of them ::)
Probably not...but his dog is a different story  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on September 29, 2016, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on September 29, 2016, 09:05:14 PM
Probably not...but his dog is a different story  ;)

It always amazes me how he got away with that stunt ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 29, 2016, 10:27:21 PM
From ....The Telegraph - Football for Sale  thread.

http://www.civilunrest.co.uk/breaking-news/8-premierleague-managers-bung/

Number 5 on the list.
I don't know whether this is a wind up.
Draw your own conclusions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 29, 2016, 10:39:02 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on September 29, 2016, 10:27:21 PM
From ....The Telegraph - Football for Sale  thread.

http://www.civilunrest.co.uk/breaking-news/8-premierleague-managers-bung/

Number 5 on the list.
I don't know whether this is a wind up.
Draw your own conclusions.

"A light humoured satirical look at life bundled together in this fine publication. All stories and content have been made up with the exception of some stories which are actually true.

Civil Unrest is not intended for readers under 18 years of age, or if you are a celebrity / politician who is up to no good."

Just a random page looking for extra traffic. Good luck to them :) They can't spell the name of your club right which is the best part!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 29, 2016, 10:53:56 PM
You could usually see that from the name of the mag.
How many are on the take?
Rednap's dog is in the frame.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on September 29, 2016, 11:12:45 PM
Quote from: wba13 on September 29, 2016, 01:44:26 PM
Do the betting company`s know something we don`t ie to do with bungs or do some fans know something that's why a flurry of bets it makes you wonder if something`s going on.

Tony Pulis was involved in a High Court case when he was Gillingham manager regarding "payments". He wouldn't have made much from our summer signings!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 30, 2016, 12:00:05 AM
I think he should get an extension.....the type you buy from a sex shop,he's managed to screw any happiness I used to get watching them so how about retribution??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 30, 2016, 08:26:20 AM
Quote from: chippyclarke on September 29, 2016, 11:12:45 PM
Tony Pulis was involved in a High Court case when he was Gillingham manager regarding "payments". He wouldn't have made much from our summer signings!

Gillingham settled a wrongful-dismissal case out of court with them paying Pulis £75,000, should tell you all you need to know about that one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 30, 2016, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: smethwickw on September 29, 2016, 05:24:31 PM
I keep thinking of that quote from the secret footballer about a manager signing players with the same agent.

Yes and the way he left Gillingham as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 30, 2016, 12:06:46 PM
Quote from: Albionic on September 30, 2016, 11:45:54 AM
Yes and the way he left Gillingham as well.

The post above...
Quote
Gillingham settled a wrongful-dismissal case out of court with them paying Pulis £75,000, should tell you all you need to know about that one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 30, 2016, 12:25:25 PM
Sometimes people get paid to head off negative publicity, for example

In the Guardian article below it is reported that Pulis admitted in court stealing documents & Lying
Ally this to his losing £2m plus costs in his dispute with Crystal Palace and he cannot be whiter than white,


The former Gillingham manager Tony Pulis concocted a "monstrous plot" to blackmail the club's chairman Paul Scally out of £200,000 using confidential documents stolen from the club, the high court heard yesterday.

Pulis confronted Scally on May 26 1999, four days before the biggest game in the club's history, the Second Division play-off final against Manchester City, and demanded that the chairman pay him the money which Pulis believed he was owed in goodwill payments, bonuses and his share of the sale of players.

During the meeting, which took place in a stand at the Priestfield stadium, Pulis produced a document from the front of his shorts which, he alleged, showed financial irregularities relating to a game against Wycombe Wanderers.

If Scally did not pay him, it was alleged, Pulis threatened to take these documents and others to the football authorities, the police and the press. Pulis, who denies the blackmail plot, also told Scally he would be leaving the club the day after the Wembley play-off, which Gillingham lost on penalties.

Giving evidence on the third day of his wrongful dismissal suit against the club, Pulis said he was "angry and frustrated" after hearing on the morning of May 26 that £62,000 he had been paid in lieu of changes to his contract had been withdrawn from his pension fund. In addition to the £62,000, Pulis said he was owed around £140,000 from the sale of Ade Akinbiyi, James Corbett and Iffy Onuora, making a rough total of £200,000.

Pulis told the court that shortly after hearing the £62,000 had been withdrawn Maurice Saffery, an accounts clerk at Gillingham, came to his office carrying a briefcase and a brown envelope containing the documents. "Maurice Saffery told me that Paul Scally was misappropriating funds through gate receipts and other ways," Pulis told the court.

Pulis said he was furious and took the document from the brown envelope and sought out Scally. "We stood in a row of spectator seats in the stand on the far side of the pitch," Pulis said under cross-examination by Nicholas Mostyn QC, representing Gillingham.

"I asked him," 'Are you not paying me the money because the club is in trouble?'" Pulis then produced a nine-page document marked Wycombe Wanderers from his shorts. He had put it there he said because he had no pockets.

The court was read part of a statement made by Scally in which he said: "He told me if I didn't pay him £200,000 he said he had a suitcase of stuff he would give to the police and inland revenue. I remember thinking, 'I need this like a hole in the head'. The biggest game in the club's history was four days away."

Later that day, Pulis said, he took the briefcase to Norman Hayward, a family friend who was chairman of AFC Bournemouth when Pulis was manager at the club. He said he did this because he did not know where else to take the documents. Hayward passed them to Roy Pack, a self-styled investigator of alleged corruption in football. Asked why he had taken them to Hayward and not the Football League, Pulis said: "I took them to people I thought could deal with it."

In fact, said Mr Mostyn, Pulis was motivated by greed and a desire to cause as much harm as possible to Scally and Gillingham. "Your story is a pack of lies," said Mr Mostyn. "There was a sordid conspiracy between you, Mr Hayward and Mr Pack, to blackmail Mr Scally, sell the story to the tabloids and to damage the club badly.

"It was naked blackmail and you set it up with the theft and concocted it with Mr Pack and Mr Hayward. That's the truth isn't it?" Pulis denied this. The court heard that the day before the meeting in the stand Pulis had spoken four times with Hayward on his mobile phone.

Mr Mostyn said that far from receiving the documents from Saffery, Pulis stole the documents. Saffery would deny any involvement, the court heard.

Pulis gave them to Hayward because he knew his former boss had a grudge against Scally. After AFC Bournemouth went into administration in January 1997 Hayward launched a bid, assisted by Pack, to win back control of the club. The Football League Commission, of which Scally was then a member, rejected their bid. "You knew, did you not, that Mr Scally was instrumental in having that bid rejected?," Mr Mostyn asked. Pulis denied this.

On receiving the documents Pack, who is acting as a consultant to Pulis in this case, took them to the publicist Max Clifford who sold them to the Daily Mail. A copy was also sent to the FA, which took no action. Clifford then tipped off the Daily Express about the documents, the court heard. "It's a monstrous situation that they [the documents] are being peddled up and down Grub Street," said Mr Mostyn.


Pulis denied accusing Scally of using club money to build an extension and swimming pool at his Kent home, and of buying cars for his wife and son and a Harley Davidson with club funds. He also denied making allegations of financial irregularities concerning the building company Dunning & Carter, which is carrying out work on a new stand and offices at the Priestfield stadium and at Scally's home. He also denied having clandestinely arranged to join Bristol City as soon as he had left Gillingham.

He agreed with Mr Mostyn's statement that, were the allegations against him true, "it would be as gross and grave a misconduct as it is possible to imagine."

Pulis also admitted he had lied about how he received the documents when he said in a statement to his solicitors that they had been passed to him anonymously. He also admitted lying when he was asked to return "all club property" at the termination of his contract. He said he had nothing other than a car and a mobile phone, when he knew his consultant, Pack, had the documents.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 30, 2016, 01:14:37 PM
So he's guilty of something because he was found innocent? 

Are you being serious?

By the way, Pulis doesn't admit to "stealing or lying" in that article does he?  They're allegations made by the defendant in a case the defendant lost.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on September 30, 2016, 02:06:37 PM
Few tweets doing the rounds that Pulis will be gone by Monday on the back of the Telegraph stuff

We can live in hope  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 30, 2016, 02:12:21 PM
Serious question - forget whether you like or dislike Pulis for a minute. If any manager of Albion is proven to have taken a bung would you want them out?

For me, it's a yes. I don't think we can afford to have someone ultimately in a key position in terms of bringing in players, vetoing transfers etc... who has a history of earning money on the side from transfers.

For the record, I'm not suggesting Pulis has done anything wrong by the way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 30, 2016, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 30, 2016, 01:14:37 PM
So he's guilty of something because he was found innocent? 

Are you being serious?
I didn't say he was guilty, that would be stupid and libellous,
I said "Sometimes people get paid to head off negative publicity"

By the way, Pulis doesn't admit to "stealing or lying" in that article does he?  They're allegations made by the defendant in a case the defendant lost.

Pulis also admitted he had lied about how he received the documents when he said in a statement to his solicitors that they had been passed to him anonymously. He also admitted lying when he was asked to return "all club property" at the termination of his contract. He said he had nothing other than a car and a mobile phone, when he knew his consultant, Pack, had the documents.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on September 30, 2016, 03:00:07 PM
And after all that he was still awarded £75,000. Scally's antics were 10 times worse but nobody mentions them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 30, 2016, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on September 30, 2016, 03:00:07 PM
And after all that he was still awarded £75,000. Scally's antics were 10 times worse but nobody mentions them.

Ok then,  TP is whiter than.....
I also believe in the tooth fairy BTW
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 01, 2016, 07:24:01 PM
Francesco Guidolin of Swansea seems to be getting the sack which is a shame because he seems like a decent dude. I wonder if this will start to other teams looking to see if it's best to remove their manager now. Hughes/Slaven seems to be in most trouble and Tony can probably survive the next 5 games unless his team just gets blown out of the water and lose like 4-0 every game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 12, 2016, 11:36:50 PM
Pulis has his favourites.
Gardner and Fletcher are some of his gods.
He looks after those he considers god like and untouchable.
This is possibly one of his failings.
They may be just average compared to some players, but he will stick with them, even though common sense says that the should make way for those more gifted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 13, 2016, 05:34:29 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 12, 2016, 11:36:50 PM
Pulis has his favourites.
Gardner and Fletcher are some of his gods.
He looks after those he considers god like and untouchable.
This is possibly one of his failings.
They may be just average compared to some players, but he will stick with them, even though common sense says that the should make way for those more gifted.
Like every manager that's ever been .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: rajesh-wba on October 13, 2016, 08:34:10 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 12, 2016, 11:36:50 PM
Pulis has his favourites.
Gardner and Fletcher are some of his gods.
He looks after those he considers god like and untouchable.
This is possibly one of his failings.
They may be just average compared to some players, but he will stick with them, even though common sense says that the should make way for those more gifted.

For "favourites" see players who Pulis feels he can trust on the pitch. Gardner receives alot of critcism, some of it undeserved IMO. For me the highest compliment I could pay him without sounding disrespectful is he's a poor man's James Milner. CG is able to fill a number of roles and does a job defensively.
Continuity is also important at a club like WBA, he's a 29 with 9 years PL experience. As a squad player it's an understandable renewal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on October 13, 2016, 10:37:13 AM
Quote
he's a poor man's James Milner

That's a great description of CG.  I agree with the others, I would hope we wouldn't see him starting but we need to have squad players whether we like it or not.  I'd love to have a first team so good we can have players of Chadli's quality on the bench.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 13, 2016, 10:41:17 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on October 13, 2016, 10:37:13 AM
That's a great description of CG.  I agree with the others, I would hope we wouldn't see him starting but we need to have squad players whether we like it or not.  I'd love to have a first team so good we can have players of Chadli's quality on the bench.

I don't know how old you are but i contend you have many, many years of disappointment in front of you.
I cannot remember any albion side in the last 40 years which didn't have a "journeyman' in it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on October 13, 2016, 11:47:20 AM
That's my point.  Our squad is nowhere near good enough to let someone like Gardner go despite his failings.  He's a good squad player, happy to provide that role, and provides decent back up.  We need those kind of players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 13, 2016, 02:51:15 PM
One way I keep looking at Pulis and his awful tactical-know how is the upcoming Man City game.

First thing first, i dont expect us to win this game and i of course wouldnt be so stupid to think we should be looking to get 3 points.

However, the past couple of games we've seen teams stop City's early season promise by pressing high and pressing the keeper Bravo when he has the ball. This stagnates City's domination of the ball and actually gives you a solid platform to build on.

I bet my mortgage though that City batter us as we will adopt the "10 behind the ball" approach - which plays straight into their hands.

This is the kind of tactic, judgement and decisions which infuriates me and other fans about Pulis. Alot of his "solid points" are in actual fact damn right luck, nothing to do with tactical decisions whatsoever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 13, 2016, 03:12:28 PM
If Gardner was 31 and not 29 I'd be really angry.  But at 29 he can do a squad job for us this season and with a new contract in place we can get a decent price for him next summer from one of the numerous Championship clubs who would probably be very happy to pay £5m for him.

He's not what we need going forward, but until next summer he's got something to offer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on October 13, 2016, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 13, 2016, 02:51:15 PM
One way I keep looking at Pulis and his awful tactical-know how is the upcoming Man City game.

First thing first, i dont expect us to win this game and i of course wouldnt be so stupid to think we should be looking to get 3 points.

However, the past couple of games we've seen teams stop City's early season promise by pressing high and pressing the keeper Bravo when he has the ball. This stagnates City's domination of the ball and actually gives you a solid platform to build on.

I bet my mortgage though that City batter us as we will adopt the "10 behind the ball" approach - which plays straight into their hands.

This is the kind of tactic, judgement and decisions which infuriates me and other fans about Pulis. Alot of his "solid points" are in actual fact damn right luck, nothing to do with tactical decisions whatsoever.
If Rondon's knackered, start Saido with 1 instruction: press Bravo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 13, 2016, 10:34:44 PM
It's 2 weeks to the Man City game...the game Rondon may well be knackered for is on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 13, 2016, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 13, 2016, 02:51:15 PM
One way I keep looking at Pulis and his awful tactical-know how is the upcoming Man City game.

First thing first, i dont expect us to win this game and i of course wouldnt be so stupid to think we should be looking to get 3 points.

However, the past couple of games we've seen teams stop City's early season promise by pressing high and pressing the keeper Bravo when he has the ball. This stagnates City's domination of the ball and actually gives you a solid platform to build on.

I bet my mortgage though that City batter us as we will adopt the "10 behind the ball" approach - which plays straight into their hands.

This is the kind of tactic, judgement and decisions which infuriates me and other fans about Pulis. Alot of his "solid points" are in actual fact damn right luck, nothing to do with tactical decisions whatsoever.

Don't be silly, do you honestly believe a 1,000 game manager can learn anything from a message board tactical genius.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on October 15, 2016, 05:38:10 PM
New contract anyone? I'm not sure what manager available with our squad could of got a result today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 15, 2016, 05:45:12 PM
Quote from: Topman on October 15, 2016, 05:38:10 PM
New contract anyone? I'm not sure what manager available with our squad could of got a result today.

I like Tony but no reason to do it yet. If we actually finish top ten or get into the F.A cup semifinal then a discussion should be had.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2016, 05:52:11 PM
Quote from: Topman on October 15, 2016, 05:38:10 PM
New contract anyone? I'm not sure what manager available with our squad could of got a result today.

I'd give him 2 years more no questions asked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 15, 2016, 05:58:56 PM
Doesent show enough desire to win.

Which is depressing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 15, 2016, 06:00:20 PM
Spurs weren’t bad today. In fact, they were quite good on the whole. West Brom under Tony Pulis is a cancer on football but to be fair they did exactly what they set out to do, which is frustrate the hell out of their opponents.


http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2016/10/15/13293152/west-brom-tottenham-hotspur-final-score-1-1-dele-alli-nacer-chadli
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on October 15, 2016, 06:03:05 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 15, 2016, 05:58:56 PM
Doesent show enough desire to win.

Which is depressing.

I totally agree with you when playing lesser teams at home but if anyone can moan about today's game frankly either haven't watched it or on a wind up. Under the much loved tomo we would have lost by about 6 today but probably scored 3 ourselves. Yes I know foster kept us in it but anyone wants a return to those days then I'm sorry that's bonkers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 15, 2016, 06:07:01 PM
Quote from: Topman on October 15, 2016, 06:03:05 PM
I totally agree with you when playing lesser teams at home but if anyone can moan about today's game frankly either haven't watched it or on a wind up. Under the much loved tomo we would have lost by about 6 today but probably scored 3 ourselves. Yes I know foster kept us in it but anyone wants a return to those days then I'm sorry that's bonkers

Ive stopped talking about Pulis in isolation. It needs to be taken as a grand whole since he has been here, he, in general, has no desire to win football matches. His first love is not to lose. That is a bad way to go about things in my opinion-Not from a tactical point of view, or whats best for shareholders, or points on the board or staying up so we get the TV money - but in a way which makes you want boing boing for the baggies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on October 15, 2016, 06:12:25 PM
Jimmy I totally agree regarding going for it in certain matches far more, though he needs two or three better players and was let down in the window or whatever happened there we will probably never know. However, Today's performance we would of craved under tomo or rdm at times. Organised and committed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 15, 2016, 06:15:26 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 15, 2016, 06:00:20 PM
Spurs weren’t bad today. In fact, they were quite good on the whole. West Brom under Tony Pulis is a cancer on football but to be fair they did exactly what they set out to do, which is frustrate the hell out of their opponents.


http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2016/10/15/13293152/west-brom-tottenham-hotspur-final-score-1-1-dele-alli-nacer-chadli
Droitwich why do you keep dragging up rubbish like this ? We have got an excellent point and almost a win against a team
which is infinitely better than ours well done TP & the lads, and balls to sbnation and their ilk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 15, 2016, 06:17:46 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2016, 05:52:11 PM
I'd give him 2 years more no questions asked.
Agree totally Jacko.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 15, 2016, 06:19:43 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on October 15, 2016, 06:15:26 PM
Droitwich why do you keep dragging up rubbish like this ? We have got an excellent point and almost a win against a team
which is infinitely better than ours well done TP & the lads, and balls to sbnation and their ilk.
It his dour styler of play.
When we get on the front foot, he changes the team and we have to play retreating football.
Then the hoof and hope comes into play.
He is a very defensive manager.
He doesn't like plan B whereby we attack and put the opposition under consistent pressure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 15, 2016, 06:23:18 PM
 Small improvements  this season so far , trying to pass the ball a bit more, supporting attacks a bit more while not losing the Pulis shape off the ball.
I'm quietly pleased and hopeful we are steady building in the right direction and i was one who had about enough of TP last season.
Better but will need to see it over time and against easier sides at home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on October 15, 2016, 06:41:44 PM
 His bench today was an abomination...........no way in the world does it need Brunt , Gardener and Mozza on the bench all can do the same job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 15, 2016, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2016, 05:52:11 PM
I'd give him 2 years more no questions asked.
I wouldn't give him 2 weeks!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2016, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on October 15, 2016, 06:41:44 PM
His bench today was an abomination...........no way in the world does it need Brunt , Gardener and Mozza on the bench all can do the same job.

Brunt changed the game, only Gardner doesn't merit a place of the 3 you mentioned, for me Brunt and Morrison should be in the team, who would you have had on the bench out of interest?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 15, 2016, 06:48:41 PM
Middle of park is still an issue with two defensive midfielders in Fletcher and Yacob who can't pass wind and are to slow on and off the ball. Against the top team's they contribute but when we play the lesser sides a player like Morrison should be accommodated along side one of these
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on October 15, 2016, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2016, 06:46:20 PM
Brunt changed the game, only Gardner doesn't merit a place of the 3 you mentioned, for me Brunt and Morrison should be in the team, who would you have had on the bench out of interest?
Berahino or Mc Manaman are more needed if you are a goal down with ten minutes to go. to have the three i mentioned is plain stupid as they can all do the same job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2016, 07:10:18 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on October 15, 2016, 07:06:58 PM
Berahino or Mc Manaman are more needed if you are a goal down with ten minutes to go. to have the three i mentioned is plain stupid as they can all do the same job.

They don't all do the same job and I'm sorry mate but I despair if anyone thinks they do.

Leko is on the bench in the "McManaman" role. Berahino is as good as out of the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 15, 2016, 07:32:08 PM
Really enjoyed an absorbing game of football today, any one who thinks thinks different was'nt there. :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 15, 2016, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 15, 2016, 07:32:08 PM
Really enjoyed an absorbing game of football today, any one who thinks thinks different was'nt there. :)

Sorry I was and it was not particularly absorbing the 1st half was basically a game of shots in which Foster won. The 2nd was better from attacking perspective and we managed to nick a goal. Having got our noses in front we turned a thoroughly undeserved 3 points into a thoroughly undeserved point because we couldn't retain the ball well enough to see out the last 10 minutes of a game.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on October 15, 2016, 10:15:29 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2016, 07:10:18 PM
They don't all do the same job and I'm sorry mate but I despair if anyone thinks they do.

Leko is on the bench in the "McManaman" role. Berahino is as good as out of the club.
they cover the same positions i.e central m/f and do you honestly believe they are a better option to change things if we are losing by 1 goal!!!    i certainly despair with Pùlis in charge, we should be improving or at least looking to improve instead i feel we are surviving or at least just looking to survive, no attacking intent, shambolic transfer windows , dwindling support through the gates, why o why is he still in charge !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 15, 2016, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Standaman on October 15, 2016, 08:14:54 PM
Sorry I was and it was not particularly absorbing the 1st half was basically a game of shots in which Foster won. The 2nd was better from attacking perspective and we managed to nick a goal. Having got our noses in front we turned a thoroughly undeserved 3 points into a thoroughly undeserved point because we couldn't retain the ball well enough to see out the last 10 minutes of a game.


Totally agree, I wouldn't have made the sub at that point. We had the inertia, the substitution lost it. Gardner wasn't to blame, making any sub was.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2016, 10:55:15 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on October 15, 2016, 10:15:29 PM
they cover the same positions i.e central m/f and do you honestly believe they are a better option to change things if we are losing by 1 goal!!!    i certainly despair with Pùlis in charge, we should be improving or at least looking to improve instead i feel we are surviving or at least just looking to survive, no attacking intent, shambolic transfer windows , dwindling support through the gates, why o why is he still in charge !!

We're 10th and unbeaten in our last 4 matches?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 15, 2016, 11:04:33 PM
Chadli had a knock again which may well have contributed to the substitution.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on October 15, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2016, 10:55:15 PM
We're 10th and unbeaten in our last 4 matches?

Yes but this still isn't good enough, and a point against a team who just turned over man city, who had won 10/10 start of the  season under the mecurial pep, spurs are rubbish they're only in the champions league out of pure luck....... by the way I'm joking,  spurs  will roll over many a team this year, we do well against the big boys, all the scare mongering about the next four games and we nearly come out with all three points, yes we were a bit lucky, but every team needs that rub of the green, many years past we were whipping boys for teams like spurs and top 6 teams, now the big boys know they will have to be on top of their game to get points from us, but there's no pleasing some people who live in fairyland with delusions of grandeur about our playing style and the situation at the club, I'm glad people are staying away they can keep their negativity with them it's not needed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on October 15, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
Quote from: section5 on October 15, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
Yes but this still isn't good enough, and a point against a team who just turned over man city, who had won 10/10 start of the  season under the mecurial pep, spurs are rubbish they're only in the champions league out of pure luck....... by the way I'm joking,  spurs  will roll over many a team this year, we do well against the big boys, all the scare mongering about the next four games and we nearly come out with all three points, yes we were a bit lucky, but every team needs that rub of the green, many years past we were whipping boys for teams like spurs and top 6 teams, now the big boys know they will have to be on top of their game to get points from us, but there's no pleasing some people who live in fairyland with delusions of grandeur about our playing style and the situation at the club, I'm glad people are staying away they can
keep their negativity with them it's not needed

Top post, sums up how I feel
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 15, 2016, 11:52:13 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on October 15, 2016, 10:15:29 PM
they cover the same positions i.e central m/f and do you honestly believe they are a better option to change things if we are losing by 1 goal!!!    i certainly despair with Pùlis in charge, we should be improving or at least looking to improve instead i feel we are surviving or at least just looking to survive, no attacking intent, shambolic transfer windows , dwindling support through the gates, why o why is he still in charge !!

There's nothing wrong with throwing on a defensive player when you're winning for the final few minutes to hold on for a win. Sometimes it works and closes the game out, sometimes it fails - that is football. I saw Wenger threw on two defensive players today to keep the win, I imagine he would have been crucified had Swansea equalised.

Besides, Morrison is an attacking sub who would come on in need of goals/creativity in the middle, Brunt is a winger and Gardner is like the opposite of Morrison who would come on for defensiveness. You can't really compare the three.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sayer3 on October 15, 2016, 11:58:04 PM
It's all well and good making it hard for the big boys but we have dropped points to stoke Sunderland and Bournemouth so far
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 16, 2016, 12:00:53 AM
Quote from: sayer3 on October 15, 2016, 11:58:04 PM
It's all well and good making it hard for the big boys but we have dropped points to stoke Sunderland and Bournemouth so far

Bournemouth will be ok this season and I imagine Stoke will be half-decent too as they typically start late under Hughes. There's no shame in our results against those two teams, usually it's the ones that end up getting relegated that Pulis struggles against so hopefully this season we can improve against the Hulls et al which would give us a big boost up the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on October 16, 2016, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: section5 on October 15, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
Yes but this still isn't good enough, and a point against a team who just turned over man city, who had won 10/10 start of the  season under the mecurial pep, spurs are rubbish they're only in the champions league out of pure luck....... by the way I'm joking,  spurs  will roll over many a team this year, we do well against the big boys, all the scare mongering about the next four games and we nearly come out with all three points, yes we were a bit lucky, but every team needs that rub of the green, many years past we were whipping boys for teams like spurs and top 6 teams, now the big boys know they will have to be on top of their game to get points from us, but there's no pleasing some people who live in fairyland with delusions of grandeur about our playing style and the situation at the club, I'm glad people are staying away they can keep their negativity with them it's not needed
What a great post! Well said mate! Thanks also to Jacko, Black Pearl and KC, who on numerous topics give fair and balanced views.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 16, 2016, 08:34:05 AM
Quote from: Brummie Road on October 16, 2016, 08:15:04 AM
What a great post! Well said mate! Thanks also to Jacko, Black Pearl and KC, who on numerous topics give fair and balanced views.

What, you mean because they agree with you. I've got a lot of time for Jacko & BP, but they're both founder members of the Tony Pulis fan club.

I've said all along, that fans are fickle, & it's more to do with results & less to do with style. We set up yesterday to contain Spurs & hit them on the break, exactly as we have done for numerous games since Pulis arrived, Foster kept us in it.

It appears that Pulis has decided that it suits him, at the moment, to fit in with the DoF/Head Coach structure. The January transfer window should confirm or disprove that. If he does, he may well be given an extended contract, if he doesn't, his time could be coming to an end.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on October 16, 2016, 08:44:14 AM
Quote from: sayer3 on October 15, 2016, 11:58:04 PM
It's all well and good making it hard for the big boys but we have dropped points to stoke Sunderland and Bournemouth so far
Yep and we're tenth atm, Sunderland and Stoke are where? Seriously don't get the negativity, it's football you don't always get the result you expect that's what makes it a beautiful game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on October 16, 2016, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on October 16, 2016, 08:34:05 AM
What, you mean because they agree with you. I've got a lot of time for Jacko & BP, but they're both founder members of the Tony Pulis fan club.

I've said all along, that fans are fickle, & it's more to do with results & less to do with style. We set up yesterday to contain Spurs & hit them on the break, exactly as we have done for numerous games since Pulis arrived, Foster kept us in it.

It appears that Pulis has decided that it suits him, at the moment, to fit in with the DoF/Head Coach structure. The January transfer window should confirm or disprove that. If he does, he may well be given an extended contract, if he doesn't, his time could be coming to an end.

It's fair to say that TP isn't everyone's cup of tea, and this isn't a dig at you  but I'm just fed is the negativity at a time when we're the only team in the region in the prem, we are the big boys of the west midlands and some of our "fans" are acting like we're back in the Buckley era the way they're going about things. We're lucky to be in the position we are in when you look 10/20 years ago where we were.
Don't get me wrong would I love to see us be the sort of team similar to southampton under koeman/pocchetino , but we're not, we are west brom and our boss is Tony pulis, who is a highly regarded manager and his playing style is what it is, and hes damn good at it, like i said I'm no different, id love to see us playing attacking free flowing football as long as we were safe and stable in the prem, but just because we don't do that, does it mean I act like a child and bring negativity and not turn up to support my team,? does it Bob! If you don't want to turn up that's your entitlement but for the reasons people give in comparison to reality it's laughable, some of these people must have short memories of the dross we were served by Little et al
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 16, 2016, 09:48:00 AM
Quote from: section5 on October 16, 2016, 09:07:36 AM
It's fair to say that TP isn't everyone's cup of tea, and this isn't a dig at you  but I'm just fed is the negativity at a time when we're the only team in the region in the prem, we are the big boys of the west midlands and some of our "fans" are acting like we're back in the Buckley era the way they're going about things. We're lucky to be in the position we are in when you look 10/20 years ago where we were.
Don't get me wrong would I love to see us be the sort of team similar to southampton under koeman/pocchetino , but we're not, we are west brom and our boss is Tony pulis, who is a highly regarded manager and his playing style is what it is, and hes damn good at it, like i said I'm no different, id love to see us playing attacking free flowing football as long as we were safe and stable in the prem, but just because we don't do that, does it mean I act like a child and bring negativity and not turn up to support my team,? does it Bob! If you don't want to turn up that's your entitlement but for the reasons people give in comparison to reality it's laughable, some of these people must have short memories of the dross we were served by Little et al

We are where we are because of a reasonably well constructed plan by Jeremy Peace. It fell over in places, but we got there in the end.

Tony Pulis was part of that plan, & I agree has done well to get us to where we are today. He met his brief, which was to keep up in the Premier League. It remains to be seen what Guochuan Lai's aspirations are, certainly "short term" he wants us to retain our Premier League status, so Tony Pulis may well be part of that. What happens after that, nobody knows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 16, 2016, 09:50:01 AM
 Spurs are class team and will be in the title race this season, fine I can see the merits of sitting off them and countering. Except we don't counter our transition from defence to attack is poor we only ever get numbers forward at set pieces.

 For what it's worth I don't think the substitution made the  slightest bit of difference to the outcome some might argue that it was declaration of intent and a negative move but let's face it we never had any intent of doing anything else but hold on to what we had except after 85 minutes we found ourselves holding on to an unlikely lead.

The tactics can be justified against teams like Spurs but we are equally cautious against teams such as an out of sorts Stoke and fairly mediocre and out of form Sunderland. We won't put poor sides to the sword we will take a point we will always take a point, which is fine and dandy if survival is the name of the game but to get beyond that to even to aspire to do better we have to go beyond rigid defensive structures, ditch the wingers that work hard try to retain the ball a bit better and improve transition from defense to attack.

I don't have disillusions of grandeur but I know Pulisball isn't the only way of achieving what we currently achieving.  I was there through the all the Little's Smith's Gould's Buckley's etc... to be fair to them none of those guys ever managed the club in a situation as stable as it currently is but in truth tactically what we are looking at now isn't very different.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 16, 2016, 09:58:47 AM
Quote from: Standaman on October 16, 2016, 09:50:01 AM
Spurs are class team and will be in the title race this season, fine I can see the merits of sitting off them and countering. Except we don't counter our transition from defence to attack is poor we only ever get numbers forward at set pieces.

 For what it's worth I don't think the substitution made the  slightest bit of difference to the outcome some might argue that it was declaration of intent and a negative move but let's face it we never had any intent of doing anything else but hold on to what we had except after 85 minutes we found ourselves holding on to an unlikely lead.

The tactics can be justified against teams like Spurs but we are equally cautious against teams such as an out of sorts Stoke and fairly mediocre and out of form Sunderland. We won't put poor sides to the sword we will take a point we will always take a point, which is fine and dandy if survival is the name of the game but to get beyond that to even to aspire to do better we have to go beyond rigid defensive structures, ditch the wingers that work hard try to retain the ball a bit better and improve transition from defense to attack.

I don't have disillusions of grandeur but I know Pulisball isn't the only way of achieving what we currently achieving.  I was there through the all the Little's Smith's Gould's Buckley's etc... to be fair to them none of those guys ever managed the club in a situation as stable as it currently is but in truth tactically what we are looking at now isn't very different.

I'm with you Stan, quite happy for him to see out his contract, but I'd be dissapointed if we offered him an extension or renewal. I'm hoping we can move to a different level when GL gets his feet under the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 16, 2016, 01:58:28 PM
I can see us extended his contract now. If GL is the Chinese JP then he will want his investment protecting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 16, 2016, 02:09:37 PM
I think it will be interesting to see the type of players that are singed in January. Especially if Pulis knows that he his not getting his contract extended/Lai knows that he is not extending his contract. Will we end up with short-term signings to see us through until the end of the season, and then more of a long-term re-shuffle in the summer? Or will we look at players that will do a job in a Pulis side, but be more for the next manager to utilise? I think this is one of the biggest issues in allowing the manager/head coach too much influence on the signings. If Pulis knows he is not going to be with us next year, what are his motivations in the January window?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on October 16, 2016, 02:13:16 PM
How do you know that Pulis not having contract extended and is leaving at end of season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 16, 2016, 02:22:55 PM
Quote from: wba13 on October 16, 2016, 02:13:16 PM
How do you know that Pulis not having contract extended and is leaving at end of season

I don't, I said 'if'?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 16, 2016, 04:07:08 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 16, 2016, 02:09:37 PM
I think it will be interesting to see the type of players that are singed in January. Especially if Pulis knows that he his not getting his contract extended/Lai knows that he is not extending his contract. Will we end up with short-term signings to see us through until the end of the season, and then more of a long-term re-shuffle in the summer? Or will we look at players that will do a job in a Pulis side, but be more for the next manager to utilise? I think this is one of the biggest issues in allowing the manager/head coach too much influence on the signings. If Pulis knows he is not going to be with us next year, what are his motivations in the January window?
Agreed - I think that's exactly why Nick Hammond is now in place as there does need to be an overall strategy to recruitment...though any manager should have a say in that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 16, 2016, 06:05:27 PM
After spurs game while disappointed with conceding late on, have to be happy with the way team is evolving eight games in. Still a work in progress but I think we have enough quality to stay clear of relegation fight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on October 16, 2016, 06:20:41 PM
Does anybody know, if Pulis had this meeting with John Williams and Gouchan Lai. I wonder how it went, and if Pulis is going to be backed in this window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on October 16, 2016, 06:23:03 PM
I was sitting in the Halfords Lane/ West Stand, I could see John Williams and Gouchan Lai sitting in the executive Boxes. Who was the other Chinese guy with Mr Lai, was it his interpreter or another investor in his group. I hope as soon as he learns the Queens he gives us a good interview outlining his plans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on October 17, 2016, 09:41:39 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2016, 10:55:15 PM
We're 10th and unbeaten in our last 4 matches?
or 3 wins in the last 18 = relegation form and a tough run of fixtures coming up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 17, 2016, 10:15:20 AM
Quote from: hardtobeat on October 17, 2016, 09:41:39 AM
or 3 wins in the last 18 = relegation form and a tough run of fixtures coming up

We've only played 8 games this season. Not relegation form...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 17, 2016, 10:26:16 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 15, 2016, 11:52:13 PM
There's nothing wrong with throwing on a defensive player when you're winning for the final few minutes to hold on for a win. Sometimes it works and closes the game out, sometimes it fails - that is football. I saw Wenger threw on two defensive players today to keep the win, I imagine he would have been crucified had Swansea equalised.

Besides, Morrison is an attacking sub who would come on in need of goals/creativity in the middle, Brunt is a winger and Gardner is like the opposite of Morrison who would come on for defensiveness. You can't really compare the three.

Completely different. Arsenal were down to 10 men. We weren't

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 17, 2016, 11:04:47 AM
My view on Tony Pulis is well documented, however after 8 games
a) we sit 10th in the table
b) the football seems to be improving
c) the squad has some better quality (Rondon / Evans / Chadli) than before his arrival.

if this trend continues maybe the club will become more aspirational.

personally, as it stands to date I can't bring myself to watch it, if that makes me a rubbish fan so be it. Too many wasted £150 days out have gone under the bridge.  Maintain the trend until next season and who knows i may re-think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on October 17, 2016, 12:54:40 PM
That's a fair position Albionic, at least you're giving some credit that we do seem to be trying to turn things around.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on October 17, 2016, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: Albionic on October 17, 2016, 11:04:47 AM
My view on Tony Pulis is well documented, however after 8 games
a) we sit 10th in the table
b) the football seems to be improving
c) the squad has some better quality (Rondon / Evans / Chadli) than before his arrival.

if this trend continues maybe the club will become more aspirational.

personally, as it stands to date I can't bring myself to watch it, if that makes me a rubbish fan so be it. Too many wasted £150 days out have gone under the bridge.  Maintain the trend until next season and who knows i may re-think.

Fair assessment and your fully entitled to your opinion, I'm still a mug and spend the money haha
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 17, 2016, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: Albionic on October 17, 2016, 11:04:47 AM
My view on Tony Pulis is well documented, however after 8 games
a) we sit 10th in the table
b) the football seems to be improving
c) the squad has some better quality (Rondon / Evans / Chadli) than before his arrival.

if this trend continues maybe the club will become more aspirational.

personally, as it stands to date I can't bring myself to watch it, if that makes me a rubbish fan so be it. Too many wasted £150 days out have gone under the bridge.  Maintain the trend until next season and who knows i may re-think.

Fair assessment. I think Pulis has always wanted better attacking players since his arrival and probably isn't as boring as many like out, not intentionally anyway.

I think with McManaman he tried to get in an out-and-out winger which didn't work for various reasons, but now Phillips is in it's working better up front as he can carry the ball. With Chadli we've instantly improved on Sessegnon and as a result we look more creative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 18, 2016, 03:10:30 AM
I did find it humorous all the complaints about Man United's performance today calling them a rich man's West Brom how they played  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 18, 2016, 04:33:08 AM
Quote from: DivinePast on October 18, 2016, 03:10:30 AM
I did find it humorous all the complaints about Man United's performance today calling them a rich man's West Brom how they played  :D
I tend towards the view that Jose actually takes the same approach as Tone in that they start each game with a minimum of a point and hanging on to that point is the point of everything from that point forward! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 18, 2016, 10:09:24 AM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on October 18, 2016, 04:33:08 AM
I tend towards the view that Jose actually takes the same approach as Tone in that they start each game with a minimum of a point and hanging on to that point is the point of everything from that point forward!
Interesting point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Costakiblue on October 18, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on October 18, 2016, 04:33:08 AM
I tend towards the view that Jose actually takes the same approach as Tone in that they start each game with a minimum of a point and hanging on to that point is the point of everything from that point forward!
Difference being Mourinho uses that strategy with a £200 million team!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 18, 2016, 07:59:14 PM
Quote from: Morany on October 17, 2016, 10:26:16 AM
Completely different. Arsenal were down to 10 men. We weren't

No it's not, teams go defensive all the time when closing out a tight score-line. If you want another example, Mourniho did it last night to run the game down vs an attacking Liverpool and it worked as he got a draw. Defensive subs happen all the time to get a result, sometimes they work - sometimes they don't. I'll be the first to criticise Pulis's subs, I think against Bournemouth he got it all wrong and against Sunderland he should have kept Chadli on and Gardner off, but sometimes it's best to go more defensive. Against Sunderland we were in control so it wasn't needed, but against Spurs we were in more trouble if we didn't change anything.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 19, 2016, 10:40:40 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 18, 2016, 07:59:14 PM
No it's not, teams go defensive all the time when closing out a tight score-line. If you want another example, Mourniho did it last night to run the game down vs an attacking Liverpool and it worked as he got a draw. Defensive subs happen all the time to get a result, sometimes they work - sometimes they don't. I'll be the first to criticise Pulis's subs, I think against Bournemouth he got it all wrong and against Sunderland he should have kept Chadli on and Gardner off, but sometimes it's best to go more defensive. Against Sunderland we were in control so it wasn't needed, but against Spurs we were in more trouble if we didn't change anything.

Yes it is. Arsenal had a bloke sent off, so obviously you have to react to that as you've got one less bloke on the pitch. It makes sense to bring on a more defensive player as there is more space to protect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 22, 2016, 11:35:02 PM
Handbrake football again. Limits us by continuing to pick same team. Need new manager in asap so we can start to achieve our potential
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 23, 2016, 01:16:36 AM
Think we have the makings of a good squad with a few additions but we will never grow as a team with the negative attitude that pulis brings to the club. We had another example to day with him being more worried about the opposition than trying to get a game plan to suit the attacking intent at our disposal. But what really took the biscuit was his analysis of the players not enough quality, no mate you got that wrong it's just that you don't know how to let players express them self's a bad trades man always blames his tools
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 23, 2016, 02:57:04 AM
Quote from: paulosull on October 23, 2016, 01:16:36 AM
Think we have the makings of a good squad with a few additions but we will never grow as a team with the negative attitude that pulis brings to the club. We had another example to day with him being more worried about the opposition than trying to get a game plan to suit the attacking intent at our disposal. But what really took the biscuit was his analysis of the players not enough quality, no mate you got that wrong it's just that you don't know how to let players express them self's a bad trades man always blames his tools

Do you think the current roster of players is one of the ten best in the Premier League?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 23, 2016, 09:08:42 AM
I think that we may be a bit harsh here. We had a plan to defend for a point, and if it had worked then we would have been happy. However, that went south early on and quite basically we do not have the required skillset to come back from that against a team like Liverpool. The alternative plan of going out all guns blazing could have lead to a big loss, and we would all be on here talking about our poor defending.

We also have to recognise that actually Liverpool are quite useful at the moment........

Hopefully Man City will be distracted by the Champions League, but I fear the plan will be the same. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 23, 2016, 10:02:17 AM
Quote from: paulosull on October 23, 2016, 01:16:36 AM
Think we have the makings of a good squad with a few additions but we will never grow as a team with the negative attitude that pulis brings to the club. We had another example to day with him being more worried about the opposition than trying to get a game plan to suit the attacking intent at our disposal. But what really took the biscuit was his analysis of the players not enough quality, no mate you got that wrong it's just that you don't know how to let players express them self's a bad trades man always blames his tools

The comments about lack of quality are starting to grate with me , ultimately it's his responsibility to work with and get the best out of players  he's got . The second goal came as a result of 2 of our senior players not being able to make and execute the right choices with a football . I'm adamant this can be addressed with a more concentrated effort on ball work than fitness and shape shape shape
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 23, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: Mo on October 23, 2016, 10:02:17 AM
The comments about lack of quality are starting to grate with me , ultimately it's his responsibility to work with and get the best out of players  he's got . The second goal came as a result of 2 of our senior players not being able to make and execute the right choices with a football . I'm adamant this can be addressed with a more concentrated effort on ball work than fitness and shape shape shape
I don't particularly like the 'inferiority' talk.......saying that though no team places more emphasis on fitness than Liverpool under Klopp and we cannot afford to NOT have a team shape and the players knowing their roles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on October 23, 2016, 01:01:31 PM
TP set's us up (like all his old teams) to take steady intense pressure & we look & manage that type of pressure well.
Its when wingers with the pace to beat our make do backs & use one touch football that we look poor & all our faults are there to see.
The age of our players doesn't help either.
I think if our club (our any other club) just wont's to survive in the premiership he's your man, so lets hope Mr Lai wants us to move forward has a club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on October 23, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
Boring boring baggies!! Oh well were in the famous Premier League.
Worth noting Southampton played away in Milan midweek, shows what nice football and a little ambition can do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on October 23, 2016, 08:27:24 PM
Quote from: Sted1990 on October 23, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
Boring boring baggies!! Oh well were in the famous Premier League.
Worth noting Southampton played away in Milan midweek, shows what nice football and a little ambition can do.
Be prepared for the condescending pearls of wisdom .... we cannot compete with the likes of Southampton , Leicester . We can only stay up playing the pulis way don't you know after all we are ' little old Albion'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 23, 2016, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: baggiecarl on October 23, 2016, 08:27:24 PM
Be prepared for the condescending pearls of wisdom .... we cannot compete with the likes of Southampton , Leicester . We can only stay up playing the pulis way don't you know after all we are ' little old Albion'

Has anyone ever said that on here?

Historically we're a mid-table club in the top league - this is based over literally thousands of games, which unsurprisingly we're near right now in 13th place.

We aren't 'little' and we never have been, nor is Pulis some kind of God. The main reason Saints have done so well in the past 3 years is down to having a bigger budget than us and better recruitment, however that can change overnight.

I seem to remember last season how Swansea were often talked about with envy on this board, who have since been replaced by Southampton. Specifically fans wanted Garry Monk as our next manager and how he'd do well after having 1 good year as a manager. Now he's in the Championship and Swansea may well be too, again a club who once had great recruitment are now slipping down the table.

What I would say is to look at the bigger picture. Our problem over the past few years (before and during Pulis) was our recruitment and other roles in the club. This season it has changed with Hammond and Williams, so hopefully we can now push forward.
I think we have already made some progress in the summer and think our signings have slightly improved the team whereas this never used to happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 24, 2016, 08:37:01 AM
ldllldlddwlddwdddl 15 points in the last 18, 99.9% wouldnt survive
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on October 24, 2016, 09:29:23 AM
Why are we using the last 18 games?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 24, 2016, 09:34:25 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on October 24, 2016, 09:29:23 AM
Why are we using the last 18 games?
I assume it's because it makes things sound worse than saying 10 points from last 9 games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 24, 2016, 09:34:35 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 24, 2016, 08:37:01 AM
ldllldlddwlddwdddl 15 points in the last 18, 99.9% wouldnt survive

15 points from 54 doesnt make good reading

10 from 27 so far this season though is not bad at all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on October 24, 2016, 10:06:58 AM
10 points from 9 games if we maintain that average through the season gives us 42 points, which should keep us up.
I would assume that TP's remit is to do just that.
I think if he were to be a little more expansive a little earlier in games then maybe we could better that comfortably.
Don't forget we won the second half at Anfield 1-0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 24, 2016, 10:20:00 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 24, 2016, 09:34:25 AM
I assume it's because it makes things sound worse than saying 10 points from last 9 games.

How many of those games have been entertaining?

Or is it all about trying to pick up 1pt per game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 24, 2016, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on October 24, 2016, 10:20:00 AM
How many of those games have been entertaining?

Or is it all about trying to pick up 1pt per game?

Not sure why you've highlighted my post as my response was to another post that just mentioned points from games ..nobody has mentioned entertainment, but it's a subjective thing anyway. Some people enjoy a disciplined defensive performance, others are only entertained when we win or play attacking football.


But since you asked Palace and West Ham were good performances,Everton we were good for 25 minutes then poor, Middlesboro was dire, Stoke was a bit of a mixed bag, Spurs was the same (rode our luck in the 1st half, better team in 2nd half) only watched MOTD highlights of Bournemouth, Sunderland and Liverpool but it seemed we played well in spells in all those games (although briefly against Liverpool). I would say I've been entertained 60% of the time. Obviously that is just my opinion.

I want us to play with an attacking freedom that other sides seem to manage whilst being hard to breakdown but that requires a change in tactics and probably personel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on October 24, 2016, 11:40:41 AM
I agree totally  with HullBaggie we are try to entertain a lot more this season there are going to be times when we park the bus but we have got better quality on the break than at any time last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 24, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
My ipswich season ticket holding colleague has just been moaning about lack of entertainment / lack of ambition / manager aiming solely for survival.

So, so reminiscent of us, but at a lower level, interestingly he doesn't blame McCarthy as "his hands are tied because the owner gives the club no money", well TP can't claim that can he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 24, 2016, 04:35:19 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 24, 2016, 10:54:56 AM
Not sure why you've highlighted my post as my response was to another post that just mentioned points from games ..nobody has mentioned entertainment, but it's a subjective thing anyway. Some people enjoy a disciplined defensive performance, others are only entertained when we win or play attacking football.


But since you asked Palace and West Ham were good performances,Everton we were good for 25 minutes then poor, Middlesboro was dire, Stoke was a bit of a mixed bag, Spurs was the same (rode our luck in the 1st half, better team in 2nd half) only watched MOTD highlights of Bournemouth, Sunderland and Liverpool but it seemed we played well in spells in all those games (although briefly against Liverpool). I would say I've been entertained 60% of the time. Obviously that is just my opinion.

I want us to play with an attacking freedom that other sides seem to manage whilst being hard to breakdown but that requires a change in tactics and probably personel.
this was our strength but is now becoming a problem.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 24, 2016, 05:32:24 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 24, 2016, 04:35:19 PM
this was our strength but is now becoming a problem.

Not really. We've conceded the least goals in the bottom 12.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 24, 2016, 05:42:34 PM
at this stage last season we had 14 points and quite possibly a harder start in terms of tougher teams played
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 26, 2016, 11:41:10 AM
loose the next 2 games which i would say is quite  possible, will he survive?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mrvulgarity on October 26, 2016, 12:04:13 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 26, 2016, 11:41:10 AM
loose the next 2 games which i would say is quite  possible, will he survive?

He will be gone 2 weeks before xmas
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 26, 2016, 12:14:56 PM
Quote from: mrvulgarity on October 26, 2016, 12:04:13 PM
He will be gone 2 weeks before xmas

Care to explain? Just can't see it myself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 26, 2016, 01:53:47 PM
This is the Pulis thread guys and we don't talk about any future managers on this site while we have someone in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on October 26, 2016, 03:18:11 PM
Looking at the fixtures I'd say we'll be in the bottom 3 or 4 by Christmas, we really are a very poor side with virtually no attacking flair whatsoever, and looking at subtle body language I think Chadli and Rondon are getting fed up with pulis hoofball already. I think if we are in the bottom 3 at Christmas the pressure on the new owners will be too great not to act.....surely?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mrvulgarity on October 26, 2016, 03:32:44 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 26, 2016, 12:14:56 PM
Care to explain? Just can't see it myself.

Ok, my reasoning behind it is:

1. Lai et al, want to promote football in China. Pulis is not an attractive name over there.
2. Personal preference aside, over 90 minutes we do not play attractive football. We have spells of good football, then Fletcher kicks it the other way.
3. TO play attractive football, we need to bring in that caliber of player. In my eyes I can't see any more 'Chadli' like players joining us under Pulis.

I actually like Pulis. I actually like the 'work hard' mentality, just wish obviously they worked hard AND won games.

January is a vital month for how our club progresses and what path we take.

And i see Pulis gone, and someone like AVB or someone who is a name taking over.

NOTE: I am not suggesting AVB or anyone to take over, it's just how I see the board going
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 26, 2016, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: mrvulgarity on October 26, 2016, 03:32:44 PM
Ok, my reasoning behind it is:

1. Lai et al, want to promote football in China. Pulis is not an attractive name over there.
2. Personal preference aside, over 90 minutes we do not play attractive football. We have spells of good football, then Fletcher kicks it the other way.
3. TO play attractive football, we need to bring in that caliber of player. In my eyes I can't see any more 'Chadli' like players joining us under Pulis.

I actually like Pulis. I actually like the 'work hard' mentality, just wish obviously they worked hard AND won games.

January is a vital month for how our club progresses and what path we take.

And i see Pulis gone, and someone like AVB or someone who is a name taking over.

NOTE: I am not suggesting AVB or anyone to take over, it's just how I see the board going



Thats how i see it, Lai & co will want as much as the chineese market before the others join in, ie Villa coming up, wolves and possible chineese purchase of sunderland etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 26, 2016, 03:54:14 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 26, 2016, 12:14:56 PM
Care to explain? Just can't see it myself.

2 wins in 18 matches.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 26, 2016, 03:55:56 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on October 26, 2016, 03:54:14 PM
2 wins in 18 matches.


and less points than this time last year with easier fixtures
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 26, 2016, 04:29:22 PM
No easy matches... If there were Leicester wouldn't have won the league  ;)

We're where we should be in the league, couple of defeats from bottom 3 couple of wins from top 8.

Pulis won't be removed this season, it's still remotely possible he might walk if a decent size club find themselves in the pooh come yuletide, but I don't see him being sacked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on October 26, 2016, 04:43:23 PM
if and when he goes cant wait to see how many stay away fans turn up for the next game .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 26, 2016, 04:56:45 PM
Pulis' greatest trick is bigging up the opposition non stop, talking down his own players even though he's signed a squad full so whatever the result he's either a brilliant manager or he's hard done by either way it's not his fault.... And sadly some people keep falling for it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 26, 2016, 05:17:41 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on October 26, 2016, 04:56:45 PM
Pulis' greatest trick is bigging up the opposition non stop, talking down his own players even though he's signed a squad full so whatever the result he's either a brilliant manager or he's hard done by either way it's not his fault.... And sadly some people keep falling for it.
.... .and you don't know how he approaches games behind closed doors either in all fairness.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on October 27, 2016, 06:45:09 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on October 26, 2016, 04:56:45 PM
Pulis' greatest trick is bigging up the opposition non stop, talking down his own players even though he's signed a squad full so whatever the result he's either a brilliant manager or he's hard done by either way it's not his fault.... And sadly some people keep falling for it.
Bang on the money mate and its wearing a little thin now,his prematch preambles are at best boring and pointless
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 27, 2016, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on October 26, 2016, 04:56:45 PM
Pulis' greatest trick is bigging up the opposition non stop, talking down his own players even though he's signed a squad full so whatever the result he's either a brilliant manager or he's hard done by either way it's not his fault.... And sadly some people keep falling for it.

He would be better off talking about soldiers and artists to keep the gullible happy!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on October 28, 2016, 07:45:19 AM
Take a moment to read page 1 of this thread again.  An interesting take on how we were all feeing at the time...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on October 28, 2016, 08:22:13 AM
i for one thought he was a good appointment at the time given the position we found ourselves. However i thought he would be long gone by now. Looking at the situation we havent moved forward at all despite TP being given more time results wise and more money to spend than any of his predecessors we are pretty much where we were and heading downwards. 3 wins in 20 odd games and a poor quality of football would have done for any  of the managers that came before i just dont see where we are going other than the championship under Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 28, 2016, 08:28:22 AM
Quote from: stoxman on October 28, 2016, 07:45:19 AM
Take a moment to read page 1 of this thread again.  An interesting take on how we were all feeing at the time...
I had a look and I don't think it reflects how we were all feeling at all. Some were dreading him coming here, given all the baggage he came with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2016, 08:43:44 AM
Quote from: stoxman on October 28, 2016, 07:45:19 AM
Take a moment to read page 1 of this thread again.  An interesting take on how we were all feeing at the time...


Brought in at the time to do a job, keep us up. hes now served his purpose. he can go keep someone else up now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 28, 2016, 08:53:33 AM
Quote from: hardtobeat on October 28, 2016, 08:22:13 AM
i for one thought he was a good appointment at the time given the position we found ourselves. However i thought he would be long gone by now. Looking at the situation we havent moved forward at all despite TP being given more time results wise and more money to spend than any of his predecessors we are pretty much where we were and heading downwards. 3 wins in 20 odd games and a poor quality of football would have done for any  of the managers that came before i just dont see where we are going other than the championship under Pulis
that's how I see it, he came in and did what was needed but we are not progressing and doubt we will ever be what the new owners want which is a top 10 side, has Pulis ever reached those heights? if you want steady and unambitious he's the best we can ever get, if you want honours and progress then its time to move on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Singhwba on October 28, 2016, 09:41:09 AM
1 year extension on contract! Are you serious Albion?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: buzzingbaggie on October 28, 2016, 09:42:37 AM
Happy with this, steady (but slow) improvement since he's arrived. Think we will have some money to spend now in January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on October 28, 2016, 09:46:13 AM
I have never moaned about Pulis because i understand the job he does but cmon Albion what are we playing at, we should of survived and then taken a risk with a new man!! We want to see goals and get the fans back. Boring Boring Baggies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 28, 2016, 09:49:05 AM
Fantastic news. Pulis is here to stay, like it or lump it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 28, 2016, 09:50:37 AM
What the eff?!

Mr Lai just wants his investment protecting so I would say Pulis is here for the long haul. :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 28, 2016, 09:50:59 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 28, 2016, 09:49:05 AM
Fantastic news. Pulis is here to stay, like it or lump it.

That's enough criticism about his style of play thank you  ;D

Awful news. Contract until the summer was ideal, keep us up and then walk away leaving us to get in someone with plenty of time to identify targets. Now our next three windows worth of potential signings are all to be British and unable to pass a ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2016, 09:54:17 AM
Mr Lai is obviously not concerned about loosing money via the dwindling support. shocking albion, another year of rubbish, another year of iffy transfers (angry face)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 28, 2016, 09:56:06 AM
The lack of ambition here is staggering but of absolutely no surprise.

Disgusted by this news. Lai has well and truly taken a turd in my cornflakes this morning.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on October 28, 2016, 09:59:07 AM
Seems fair enough - we're showing steady signs of improvement.  I note that's still not enough for some though - I don't know where this belief that we'll get another manager in and suddenly we'll be a swashbuckling attacking side comes from.

Steady improvements without threatening our premiership status seems totally sensible to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: macc_baggie on October 28, 2016, 10:00:00 AM
I was hoping he'd see out his contract and then we'd look for someone slightly less pragmatic.

Pretty disappointed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on October 28, 2016, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 28, 2016, 09:50:59 AM
That's enough criticism about his style of play thank you  ;D

Awful news. Contract until the summer was ideal, keep us up and then walk away leaving us to get in someone with plenty of time to identify targets. Now our next three windows worth of potential signings are all to be British and unable to pass a ball.

You mean like Chadli?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on October 28, 2016, 10:00:39 AM
I've no doubt some fans will be shouting yipee from the roof tops whereas I'm one of those that feel like jumping from it,an extra year of insipid uninspiring negative hoofball.Great.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 28, 2016, 10:02:27 AM
May God have mercy on us all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 28, 2016, 10:02:35 AM
Oh well gives us something to argue about rather than Brexit.  I am a little surprised to say the least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 28, 2016, 10:05:02 AM
Can't help wondering who people think we would get in 'to show ambition'....easy to say the words but harder to pick the right man.
As long as Pulis shows the positive side more I'm reasonably happy with this.
Before the Chadli signing and with Morrison and Brunt injured we just didn't have the ammunition. Now we can hurt teams more.
Don't expect us to go toe to toe with Spurs, Liverpool and Man City but I do want/expect us to be positive against anyone outside the top 5.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on October 28, 2016, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: Adder on October 28, 2016, 10:05:02 AM
Can't help wondering who people think we would get in 'to show ambition'....easy to say the words but harder to pick the right man.
As long as Pulis shows the positive side more I'm reasonably happy with this.
Before the Chadli signing and with Morrison and Brunt injured we just didn't have the ammunition. Now we can hurt teams more.
Don't expect us to go toe to toe with Spurs, Liverpool and Man City but I do want/expect us to be positive against anyone outside the top 5.

Agree with this.  The whole situation can be frustrating, last season people were moaning about lack of shots, we've not been anywhere near that poor this season - we're clearly showing signs of improvement and we've definitely improved the squad personnel wise.  I've also noticed we're pressing higher up the pitch now waaay more often rather than retreating right away.  We're definitely not sliding backwards as a team under Pulis.

It's a bit sad that we all expect quick fixes nowadays.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on October 28, 2016, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Adder on October 28, 2016, 10:05:02 AM
Can't help wondering who people think we would get in 'to show ambition'....easy to say the words but harder to pick the right man.
As long as Pulis shows the positive side more I'm reasonably happy with this.
Before the Chadli signing and with Morrison and Brunt injured we just didn't have the ammunition. Now we can hurt teams more.
Don't expect us to go toe to toe with Spurs, Liverpool and Man City but I do want/expect us to be positive against anyone outside the top 5.

We have looked more threatening this season than last season in my opinion, yes at times we are too defensive but we would be silly to think we could 'outplay' Liverpool and Spurs. Regardless of how we set up against the 'bigger teams' we do tend to nick a few points here and there.

As long as we show a bit more attacking threat at home against the majority of other teams I am sure we would be a lot happier.

Chadli signing goes a long way to improving us and if we sign 1 or 2 more then we will be a good outfit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on October 28, 2016, 10:10:27 AM
on the bright side i expect him to walk when or just before relegation is confirmed. i find it a totally baffling decision, footballing wise , fan wise it makes to sense Lai said he wants top ten Pulis has NEVER finished in the to ten of the top division !!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ripryan1971 on October 28, 2016, 10:10:43 AM
Pulis has done a good job steadying the ship, most of the rubbish has now left the club ( Yes i know he bought some to )

However i always said i would judge him once he's been backed. Looks like this could happen over the next few windows.

Like he said we need to add 1-2 top quality players every window
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on October 28, 2016, 10:15:39 AM
Quote from: hardtobeat on October 28, 2016, 10:10:27 AM
on the bright side i expect him to walk when or just before relegation is confirmed. i find it a totally baffling decision, footballing wise , fan wise it makes to sense Lai said he wants top ten Pulis has NEVER finished in the to ten of the top division !!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(

So you'd want to bring a manager in who HAS finished top 10 then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 10:20:47 AM
All you Pulis haters were a stable premiership side so why change just because a few dislike him he will keep us up and despite what a lot think i believe we will have a good season. We could be like other local teams in the lower reaches who keep changing there manager we did enough of that with Clarke,Irvine and Mel so i think its great we got a stable envionment .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 28, 2016, 10:21:22 AM
This never would have happened if he we hadn't sacked Brian Little
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on October 28, 2016, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on October 28, 2016, 10:15:39 AM
So you'd want to bring a manager in who HAS finished top 10 then?
at least one that might this bloke has had a thousand games and hasnt managed it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 28, 2016, 10:35:39 AM
What a sad day for our club. Honestly gutted about this news
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 28, 2016, 10:36:50 AM
Bryan Robson has been on the pop again I see. Predicting Albion will get into Europe with Pulis.

Sniffing around his ring piece to try and get on the coaching staff I bet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 28, 2016, 10:37:46 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on October 28, 2016, 09:59:07 AM
Seems fair enough - we're showing steady signs of improvement.  I note that's still not enough for some though - I don't know where this belief that we'll get another manager in and suddenly we'll be a swashbuckling attacking side comes from.

Steady improvements without threatening our premiership status seems totally sensible to me.

I think it is more a desire to wake up on a Saturday where a team like Middlesbrough are coming to town and thinking, you know what, we are going to have a real good go at them today, as opposed to conceding 65% of the possession to them and playing out either a dour draw or losing it.

I don't think we ask for too much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RB on October 28, 2016, 10:40:07 AM
Gutted :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
we are in a worse position points wise than at the same time last year, i cant see us getting a point in the next 2 games then maybe a draw and 28% possesion againsr Burnley at home just like the Boro game, he wont last his extension

so 2 wins in 19 warrants a new contract, get real williams
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 28, 2016, 10:42:35 AM
I think we've been better recently but in all honesty we couldn't have got any worse.

Disappointed to hear he is staying for another season but oh well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 28, 2016, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on October 28, 2016, 10:21:22 AM
This never would have happened if he we hadn't sacked Brian Little

Very true.

We'd probably have dropped down to the third tier, gone further into debt, dropped again and potentially gone out of exitence.

Thank you Paul Thompson and Sir Gary.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 28, 2016, 10:47:23 AM
Quote from: Morany on October 28, 2016, 10:35:39 AM
What a sad day for our club. Honestly gutted about this news
100% agree utter jike
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: JockWallace on October 28, 2016, 10:53:53 AM
It is what it is. Pulis will always stagger to 40 points first up..he did every year at Stoke with whatever means it takes to get there. If he gets there by March he MAY try something different but his record over the last few years results wise for the last part of the season is very poor . He then reverts to type for the next season and so it goes. The away following at Stoke nosedived and the Home support started to give him stick until Coates saw the light and got rid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on October 28, 2016, 10:56:20 AM
I am gutted by this decision. When I saw the headline I thought it must be April 1st. Proves new regime just in for the money and nothing will change. This is my 27th successive and final season as a season ticket holder. I am so sad for the fans who are just treated as a necessary evil
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 11:04:58 AM
quote by Albion 55 Ooooooo how people change and he`s not the only 1

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Re: Tony Pulis
« Reply #145 on: January 02, 2015, 02:16:17 PM »
Quote
Having been up the ground this morning and seeing lots if people getting tickets for tomorrow and judging the mood on here over the last few days it seems like a massive cloud as been lifted from over the hawthorns, and at the moment it is beginning to feel good to be a baggie again!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2016, 11:10:52 AM
Quote from: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 11:04:58 AM
quote by Albion 55 Ooooooo how people change and he`s not the only 1

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Re: Tony Pulis
« Reply #145 on: January 02, 2015, 02:16:17 PM »
Quote
Having been up the ground this morning and seeing lots if people getting tickets for tomorrow and judging the mood on here over the last few days it seems like a massive cloud as been lifted from over the hawthorns, and at the moment it is beginning to feel good to be a baggie again!!!


yes at the time we were all glad no doubt but his dross as run its cause, cheers for keeping us up tone have a nice life spending your new found millions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 28, 2016, 11:11:05 AM
At the end of last season i would not of been disappointed to see him go.

However this season i think there has been signs of improvement, we did well at Palace, played well vs West Ham, played well vs Sunderland and should of won and played well 2nd half vs Spurs.

Granted we were poor vs Everton, Middleboro, Bournemouth and Liverpool and i would say professional vs Stoke but three of those games were before the end of the transfer window, since then we have been okay.

I am neither a Pulis lover or hater, when we are rubbish i will moan on here as much as anyone but on the flipside i also will give him credit when its due. I do think his reputation sometimes clouds peoples judgements, even after beating West Ham, played well, scored 4 goals, was an entertaining game some fans still said it was because West Ham were so poor rather than credit Albion.

Our best three players are arguably Evans, Chadli and Rondon, Pulis signed them all and from what he said thats the type of quality he wants each window, i would have no complaints about that at all! Also we have had youngsters in and around the squad for the first time in god knows how long.

Of course there are things to improve, we are never going to be the next Arsenal but we can keep and use the ball better, i think most fans seem to acknowledge that centre midfield is a huge weakness and we definitely need another striker.

With money to spend it would seem this potentially could be an exciting time, it also may not, but by all accounts we were seriously in for William Carvalho, agreed deal for Camacho, we are looking at better quality of players, with that will come better quality of football you would assume as Chadli has already shown.

The other major issue is obviously the Berahino situation, If what was being said last week is true and the club want to keep him, you would think he must be in Pulis’s plans, yes the club will be protecting their asset but i cant imagine they would want a player on £50 - £60k a week sat around doing nothing, also even if he has a £20m release clause, unless he plays nobody would pay that on his current status.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Powelly on October 28, 2016, 11:12:06 AM
Quote from: mikehy on October 28, 2016, 10:56:20 AM
I am gutted by this decision. When I saw the headline I thought it must be April 1st. Proves new regime just in for the money and nothing will change. This is my 27th successive and final season as a season ticket holder. I am so sad for the fans who are just treated as a necessary evil

You won't be the only 1 mate. Season tickets holders are being taken for a ride. Froze the season ticket prices last season and then only 2 home games this year (Everton and City) have been full price with Burnley also reduced next home game.

The club are showing no ambition, how many empty seats does it take to prove that the fans want him out?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 28, 2016, 11:16:18 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2016, 08:43:44 AM

Brought in at the time to do a job, keep us up. hes now served his purpose. he can go keep someone else up now

That's one of the problems right there. Some of you are still in the routine of debating an incoming head coach every 5 months. I've said it several times on this very thread, your club will never progress until somebody is given the time to make significant changes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 28, 2016, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on October 28, 2016, 11:16:18 AM
That's one of the problems right there. Some of you are still in the routine of debating an incoming head coach every 5 months. I've said it several times on this very thread, your club will never progress until somebody is given the time to make significant changes.

What significant changes to you think Pulis will make? Apart from reducing our average possession from the current 24% a game, down to 18% a game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 28, 2016, 11:21:59 AM
I'm losing passion for the Albion at an alarming rate. I really considered my season ticket this year, but I think next year will be away days only.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on October 28, 2016, 11:25:17 AM
Quote from: Morany on October 28, 2016, 11:21:59 AM
I'm losing passion for the Albion at an alarming rate. I really considered my season ticket this year, but I think next year will be away days only.

Problem is mate, season ticket counts for a 1000 loyalty points, and the previous year 500. Comparing that to the individual away game points, it's massive.

So if we did have a cup run, or maybe even Europe in the next few years, then you'd be devastated.

You'd find yourself attending 15 plus away games a season and missing out on Villa/Wolves and other big games.

Got you over a barrel really lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 28, 2016, 11:27:45 AM
Quote from: WednesburyAlbion on October 28, 2016, 11:25:17 AM
Problem is mate, season ticket counts for a 1000 loyalty points, and the previous year 500. Comparing that to the individual away game points, it's massive.

So if we did have a cup run, or maybe even Europe in the next few years, then you'd be devastated.

You'd find yourself attending 15 plus away games a season and missing out on Villa/Wolves and other big games.

Got you over a barrel really lol

Well that's it. It's down to relying on people for spare tickets .

The attendances especially away have been poor so I'd never struggle in the league, it's just like you say 'if' we go on a run, which isn't going to happen as he doesn't take it seriously with us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 28, 2016, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 11:04:58 AM
quote by Albion 55 Ooooooo how people change and he`s not the only 1

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Re: Tony Pulis
« Reply #145 on: January 02, 2015, 02:16:17 PM »
Quote
Having been up the ground this morning and seeing lots if people getting tickets for tomorrow and judging the mood on here over the last few days it seems like a massive cloud as been lifted from over the hawthorns, and at the moment it is beginning to feel good to be a baggie again!!!

A cloud has been lifted? Are you serious?  :o

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 28, 2016, 11:29:11 AM
extension or not he will still get the bullet if he under performs as will any manager these days, if he stays it means we are doing ok all be it with many absent and unhappy fans. clubs don't necessary need fans money these days such is the riches from sky so its put up or shut up as the only choice.
if the club has any ambition it will be shown in the choice of players we recruit in January, I will reserve my judgment until after then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on October 28, 2016, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: Morany on October 28, 2016, 11:27:45 AM
Well that's it. It's down to relying on people for spare tickets .

The attendances especially away have been poor so I'd never struggle in the league, it's just like you say 'if' we go on a run, which isn't going to happen as he doesn't take it seriously with us.

Yeah, only one really you see coming soon where there's a scamper for tickets is Brighton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on October 28, 2016, 11:35:39 AM
Genuinely gutted about this news.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2016, 11:35:43 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 28, 2016, 11:29:11 AM
extension or not he will still get the bullet if he under performs as will any manager these days, if he stays it means we are doing ok all be it with many absent and unhappy fans. clubs don't necessary need fans money these days such is the riches from sky so its put up or shut up as the only choice.
if the club has any ambition it will be shown in the choice of players we recruit in January, I will reserve my judgment until after then.


What happens if sky start loosing money through viewers pulling out, cancelled my subscription last week. the bubble will burst one day
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 28, 2016, 11:37:52 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 28, 2016, 11:29:11 AM
extension or not he will still get the bullet if he under performs as will any manager these days, if he stays it means we are doing ok all be it with many absent and unhappy fans. clubs don't necessary need fans money these days such is the riches from sky so its put up or shut up as the only choice.
if the club has any ambition it will be shown in the choice of players we recruit in January, I will reserve my judgment until after then.

True, doesn't stop them charging category A and B prices though  :-X .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 28, 2016, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: BB74 on October 28, 2016, 10:36:50 AM
Bryan Robson has been on the pop again I see. Predicting Albion will get into Europe with Pulis.

Sniffing around his ring piece to try and get on the coaching staff I bet.

I think he is right.

Didn't they go to Austria with Tony on pre season training? :)

Cannot see it myself........top 10 would be excellent under the present set up...... Europe is just a dream
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 28, 2016, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2016, 11:35:43 AM

What happens if sky start loosing money through viewers pulling out, cancelled my subscription last week. the bubble will burst one day
how often you change your mind you'll be on the phone after a new sky deal next week. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Powelly on October 28, 2016, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 28, 2016, 11:29:11 AM
extension or not he will still get the bullet if he under performs as will any manager these days, if he stays it means we are doing ok all be it with many absent and unhappy fans. clubs don't necessary need fans money these days such is the riches from sky so its put up or shut up as the only choice.
if the club has any ambition it will be shown in the choice of players we recruit in January, I will reserve my judgment until after then.

2 wins in 19 games, what's he got to do to "under perform"?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2016, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 28, 2016, 11:45:54 AM
how often you change your mind you'll be on the phone after a new sky deal next week. ;D


na my sky days are over, i hear they are loosing a few folk
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 28, 2016, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 28, 2016, 11:29:11 AM
extension or not he will still get the bullet if he under performs as will any manager these days, if he stays it means we are doing ok all be it with many absent and unhappy fans. clubs don't necessary need fans money these days such is the riches from sky so its put up or shut up as the only choice.
if the club has any ambition it will be shown in the choice of players we recruit in January, I will reserve my judgment until after then.

I share your opinion on this. I am still of the opinion that Pulis was responsible for the awful summer transfer window, but, there are signs that he has recognised where he fits in the football club now. Most of the players we have been linked with for January are foreign, which leads me to believe that Pulis has widened his player profile.
I have never had too much of a problem with his playing style, it's his arrogance, that I have an issue with, hopefully, he's reigned that back now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 28, 2016, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on October 28, 2016, 11:37:52 AM
True, doesn't stop them charging category A and B prices though  :-X .
should be the same price every game full stop. some of our best attendances last season was cat B price matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on October 28, 2016, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: Powelly on October 28, 2016, 11:46:34 AM
2 wins in 19 games, what's he got to do to "under perform"?

Or most likely a guarantee of survival for another year
Listening to pulis he's not stupid he wants the signings in the ilk of rondon , chadli  evans etc , I genuinely think were about three players short of having a top 10 /12 squad  when you consider the quality of the academy products , leko etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 28, 2016, 11:59:59 AM
Quote from: Powelly on October 28, 2016, 11:46:34 AM
2 wins in 19 games, what's he got to do to "under perform"?
he's employed at a club that's got little or no ambition, he has one task to perform and that's to keep the club in the premier league. he manages this by playing boring football but the club doesn't care that some fans want him gone ,he does what they want.
££££££££££s
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on October 28, 2016, 12:01:01 PM
The only reason I can think of for people being happy about this news is if they have a fetish for set-pieces.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 28, 2016, 12:02:01 PM
Ultimately if the football is so dire that you derive no enjoyment from games then that is the acid test for me, regardless of how good the bloke is at guaranteeing survival.

We had a job to do in keeping us up, he did it well, was what we needed at the time but his ceiling was hit when we survived, keeping him on now remains a nonsense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 28, 2016, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on October 28, 2016, 11:18:42 AM
What significant changes to you think Pulis will make? Apart from reducing our average possession from the current 24% a game, down to 18% a game

Ask Leicester how important possession football is.

Some of you need to move on from the Mowbray days. There's no moral victory in losing a game while having 60% of the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 28, 2016, 12:11:38 PM
It's really bad news this morning. Like plenty of others, the dire defensive football was made a bit more palatable by the fact that it seemed likely that Pulis would be departing by the end of the season. Now that's not going to be the case, the situation is very hard to stomach.

It also sends out a message from Mr Lai and his consortium that I honestly didn't think would be the case. I'm extremely disappointed in them. It's laughable that John Williams thinks this contract extension is going to help us towards attaining a top 10 finish when that's something that Pulis has never achieved in this league and, with the tactics he employs, is unlikely to.

Unless the extent of your ambition is wanting to see us staying up at all costs, there's nothing whatsoever to rejoice about in today's news.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 28, 2016, 12:12:16 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on October 28, 2016, 12:03:15 PM
Ask Leicester how important possession football is.

Some of you need to move on from the Mowbray days. There's no moral victory in losing a game while having 60% of the ball.
What about losing a game having 24%?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 28, 2016, 12:17:30 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on October 28, 2016, 12:12:16 PM
What about losing a game having 24%?

You can't say things like that!  :o

That one gets brushed over, and you'll end up in a circle of 'yes but we had 75% and lost'

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 28, 2016, 12:19:19 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on October 28, 2016, 11:16:18 AM
That's one of the problems right there. Some of you are still in the routine of debating an incoming head coach every 5 months. I've said it several times on this very thread, your club will never progress until somebody is given the time to make significant changes.
That's rich coming from you. Let's examine how much Stoke progressed in the Premiership when he was there. Here are their finishes: 12th, 11th, 13th, 14th, 13th. You call that progression do you? What's more, they were as awful to watch when he left as they were in that first season. It's not like he was on a shoestring budget there either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 28, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
Gutted.... Utterly gutted.

I was certain he'd be gone this summer.

Balls!  ??? :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 28, 2016, 12:23:50 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on October 28, 2016, 12:12:16 PM
What about losing a game having 24%?
Don't be silly - apparently we're more likely to win like that than we are by having 60% possession. It's written in the stars you know!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 28, 2016, 12:25:24 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on October 28, 2016, 12:12:16 PM
What about losing a game having 24%?

As loss is a loss. When you start celebrating losing and having a party after relegation that should set the alarm bells ringing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 28, 2016, 12:28:00 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on October 28, 2016, 12:25:24 PM
As loss is a loss. When you start celebrating losing and having a party after relegation that should set the alarm bells ringing.

Stop it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on October 28, 2016, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on October 28, 2016, 12:19:19 PM
That's rich coming from you. Let's examine how much Stoke progressed in the Premiership when he was there. Here are their finishes: 12th, 11th, 13th, 14th, 13th. You call that progression do you? What's more, they were as awful to watch when he left as they were in that first season. It's not like he was on a shoestring budget there either.

Correct. While you were yo-yo'ing up and down Pulis got a club promoted and kept them up.

Spending on average £18m a season. Having to turn the club from a low Championship quality squad into a proven mid table Premier League quality squad by the time he left. Don't forget the Stoke squad was years behind the West Brom squad who had the advantage of the parachute payments. What a shocking job he did....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 28, 2016, 12:30:05 PM
I can't see the club selling many half season tickets on the back of this news. If it went the other way they might've done.

A whopping 4000+ empty seats on Saturday. It'll get to the point with this bloke in charge where we are getting gates of less than 20,000. The away support makes our attendance look half decent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 28, 2016, 12:31:20 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on October 28, 2016, 12:25:24 PM
As loss is a loss. When you start celebrating losing and having a party after relegation that should set the alarm bells ringing.

Why are you still posting on here?  :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 28, 2016, 12:42:16 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on October 28, 2016, 12:29:36 PM
Correct. While you were yo-yo'ing up and down Pulis got a club promoted and kept them up.

Spending on average £18m a season. Having to turn the club from a low Championship quality squad into a proven mid table Premier League quality squad by the time he left. Don't forget the Stoke squad was years behind the West Brom squad who had the advantage of the parachute payments. What a shocking job he did....
Don't forget, for every yo there was a yo. So for every disappointment there was a subsequent success.
While we were yo-yoing, you did nowt but survive, whilst watching cack football. What joy!
Our promotion seasons were fantastic, some of the best in my 40 years watching. Would I swap them for 7 or 8 years finishing 13th, watching dross? Not a chance!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mooncat on October 28, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
Ultimately, if the club though he was worthy of a longer contract, he'd have got one.
The fact it's only a 12-month deal speaks volumes - I think it's more of a move to cover January transfers - i.e. remove some of the uncertainty, and also ensure we're due some £££££ if he does get poached by another club.

Just because he has a contract for another 18-months, doesn't mean he'll actually see it out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 28, 2016, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: Morany on October 28, 2016, 12:31:20 PM
Why are you still posting on here?  :-\
He actually does speak a lot of sense..

I dropped season ticket when Pullis came, I won't renew till he's gone, but I am clever enough to see there is some progress.
My biggest concern is that decisions are not always on merit and too many made to either prove a point or for personal reasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on October 28, 2016, 12:50:26 PM
yes everything should be about ambition,i want it the fans want it even pulis in his recent utterings want it but sadly the new owner doesnt want it or intends to pursue it,we have got ourselves the chineese mr peace.oh what joy?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on October 28, 2016, 12:57:54 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on October 28, 2016, 12:42:16 PM
Don't forget, for every yo there was a yo. So for every disappointment there was a subsequent success.
While we were yo-yoing, you did nowt but survive, whilst watching cack football. What joy!
Our promotion seasons were fantastic, some of the best in my 40 years watching. Would I swap them for 7 or 8 years finishing 13th, watching dross? Not a chance!

Exactly!

This is the point that our Stoke friend, and many of our own fans, can't seem to grasp. The years when we were doing our yo-yo'ing was entertaining. Yes, we lost a lot - but we also had ambitions (with far fewer resources may I add). The crowd were behind the team, attendances were higher and I bloody well enjoyed attending games.

I now haven't been to a game for over 2 years (apart from Villa games) and I have no intention of returning whilst Pulis is at the helm. **** fan or not, that is my stance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 28, 2016, 01:00:08 PM
As much as I thought he would be out of the door come May. I'm not hugely disappointed he's been given a 12 month extension at least it's not 2 or 3 years!
Also we have improved since Chadli has come in and with a couple more of that quality added in January we could be sat between 8-10 at seasons end.

I think it's about stabilising us once again, this time for the benefit of the new owners. The new owners have spoken about wanting us to ultimately be a top 10 side but it's not going to happen over night.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 28, 2016, 01:04:24 PM
I'm out. I'm done. I won't be back, even after this cretin has packed his bags.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 28, 2016, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 28, 2016, 11:51:42 AM
should be the same price every game full stop. some of our best attendances last season was cat B price matches.

True.

I told Richard Garlick and Martin Swain the very same to their faces at a supporters club evening.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 28, 2016, 01:23:52 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 28, 2016, 01:00:08 PM
As much as I thought he would be out of the door come May. I'm not hugely disappointed he's been given a 12 month extension at least it's not 2 or 3 years!
Also we have improved since Chadli has come in and with a couple more of that quality added in January we could be sat between 8-10 at seasons end.

I think it's about stabilising us once again, this time for the benefit of the new owners. The new owners have spoken about wanting us to ultimately be a top 10 side but it's not going to happen over night.

Pretty much how I see it to be honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Powelly on October 28, 2016, 01:31:33 PM
The more I think about it, it doesn't make sense. They mention it is for "stability" but if that was the case then give him a 3 year deal.

To only extend by 12 months I can't help feeling that they are keeping him until the summer and will get rid then. This 12 month extension is to stop all the questions and media circus that would have developed the longer his future remained in doubt this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 28, 2016, 01:37:07 PM
Quote from: Powelly on October 28, 2016, 01:31:33 PM
The more I think about it, it doesn't make sense. They mention it is for "stability" but if that was the case then give him a 3 year deal.

To only extend by 12 months I can't help feeling that they are keeping him until the summer and will get rid then. This 12 month extension is to stop all the questions and media circus that would have developed the longer his future remained in doubt this season.
Dream on mate, he will be here a while yet, show improvement, stay a little longer. He will move us forward given the chance. Good decision by the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on October 28, 2016, 01:37:37 PM
How sad it is to think back to the days of Laurie, Cyrille, Bomber, Superbob et al, and then to think that all I hope for nowadays is that there might be three teams worse than us.

A black day in the proud history of our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 28, 2016, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: miggybaggy on October 28, 2016, 01:37:37 PM
How sad it is to think back to the days of Laurie, Cyrille, Bomber, Superbob et al, and then to think that all I hope for nowadays is that there might be three teams worse than us.

A black day in the proud history of our club.
If this is a bad day, then we have had hundreds more, and we are a Premier League club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on October 28, 2016, 01:53:07 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on October 28, 2016, 01:47:09 PM
If this is a bad day, then we have had hundreds more, and we are a Premier League club.

You misunderstand me. There's no longer hope, excitement, passion, pride, longing for the next match, eagerly waiting for TV highlights, the fantastic atmosphere home and away, admiring the sheer skill, pace and ability of our players.....and on and on and on.

Its all so bloody dull and depressing. I'm actually embarrassed watching us to be honest. Pulis out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 02:10:25 PM
I must say i think were finding out a lot of the real fans of our club are not on this forum won`t renew ever again only been to the villa matches they call themselves Albion fans I`ll be there come Saturday and every week until they put me in my grave love it with a passion and as iv`e said before don`t care who the manager is i follow Albion not the manager as the thousands who are season ticket holders and are ther week in week out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 28, 2016, 02:10:37 PM
No idea what the club want to aim for. To establish ourselves as a top ten club as its target then you don't give contract extensions to the likes of Olsson, Gardner, etc and more than likely Fletcher after TP's extension today. As for Pulis, is the club thinking that he needs another 18 months to cement our place before moving on to something better that can advance us further up the table? It surely won't be Pulis as he has never achieved a top ten finish at this level.

Struggling to see where the ambition is at the club and most players of quality don't see us as an attractive proposition with the style of football being dished up other than induced by a significant weekly salary.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on October 28, 2016, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 02:10:25 PM
I must say i think were finding out a lot of the real fans of our club are not on this forum won`t renew ever again only been to the villa matches they call themselves Albion fans I`ll be there come Saturday and every week until they put me in my grave love it with a passion and as iv`e said before don`t care who the manager is i follow Albion not the manager as the thousands who are season ticket holders and are ther week in week out.


Love this
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on October 28, 2016, 02:15:08 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on October 28, 2016, 02:10:37 PM
No idea what the club want to aim for. To establish ourselves as a top ten club as its target then you don't give contract extensions to the likes of Olsson, Gardner, etc and more than likely Fletcher after TP's extension today. As for Pulis, is the club thinking that he needs another 18 months to cement our place before moving on to something better that can advance us further up the table? It surely won't be Pulis as he has never achieved a top ten finish at this level.

Struggling to see where the ambition is at the club and most players of quality don't see us as an attractive proposition with the style of football being dished up other than induced by a significant weekly salary.

Chadli? Rondon? Evans? Would walk into 15 out of 20 prem teams, signed by...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on October 28, 2016, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 02:10:25 PM
I must say i think were finding out a lot of the real fans of our club are not on this forum won`t renew ever again only been to the villa matches they call themselves Albion fans I`ll be there come Saturday and every week until they put me in my grave love it with a passion and as iv`e said before don`t care who the manager is i follow Albion not the manager as the thousands who are season ticket holders and are ther week in week out.

Nice dig at me, fair enough. You are perfectly within your rights to doubt my love for the Albion.

That said, I have spent several thousands of pounds following Albion up and down the country, week in, week out since I was about 13 (I'm in my late twenties now). I will be back following my club one day, just not under this fella.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 28, 2016, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 02:10:25 PM
I must say i think were finding out a lot of the real fans of our club are not on this forum won`t renew ever again only been to the villa matches they call themselves Albion fans I`ll be there come Saturday and every week until they put me in my grave love it with a passion and as iv`e said before don`t care who the manager is i follow Albion not the manager as the thousands who are season ticket holders and are ther week in week out.

Not real fans for not sitting through pooh?

Not speaking for myself as I will also be there tomorrow as I am every game.

But because people don't want to give up their hard earned cash if they are so against pulis, that don't make them any less of a fan, the same way myself going to every single game home, away, cups, pre season for the last God knows how many years doesn't make me any more of a real fan.

I can completely see where they are coming from if they decide to stay away until pulis has gone, they have a lot more sense than me ;D
 
Still early i know, but being 3 points from the drop... if we don't pick up a few wins soon then maybe there will be more fans that will be against pulis getting an extension.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 28, 2016, 02:28:37 PM
Quote from: section5 on October 28, 2016, 02:15:08 PM
Chadli? Rondon? Evans? Would walk into 15 out of 20 prem teams, signed by...

Think the jury is still out on Rondon to be honest mate. As for Chadli, a bit too early to say if he will turn out to be a quality signing. I know Spurs are now a top team but he failed to get regular football with them last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 02:29:41 PM
Good on you wbako hope its sooner than later been a follower for 50 years and for some reason never lost my passion even in the dull days of Buckley,Saunders and Gould.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 28, 2016, 02:32:05 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on October 28, 2016, 02:28:37 PM
Think the jury is still out on Rondon to be honest mate. As for Chadli, a bit too early to say if he will turn out to be a quality signing. I know Spurs are now a top team but he failed to get regular football with them last season.

The jury shouldn't still be out on Rondon. Hes proved time and time again he's good enough for the premiership, and thats playing in by far the most defensive team in the league too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on October 28, 2016, 02:32:58 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on October 28, 2016, 02:28:37 PM
Think the jury is still out on Rondon to be honest mate. As for Chadli, a bit too early to say if he will turn out to be a quality signing. I know Spurs are now a top team but he failed to get regular football with them last season.


Rondon is expected to work miracles game in game out. No support ball banged at him from 40 yards.

I think he's a good striker but the way we play really doesn't help him.

Chadli and Evans are quality.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 28, 2016, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 02:10:25 PM
I must say i think were finding out a lot of the real fans of our club are not on this forum won`t renew ever again only been to the villa matches they call themselves Albion fans I`ll be there come Saturday and every week until they put me in my grave love it with a passion and as iv`e said before don`t care who the manager is i follow Albion not the manager as the thousands who are season ticket holders and are ther week in week out.

I'm sorry but that's a load of ********.

'Real fans'

Being blind to whats going on doesn't make you a real fan.

I'll still go because I support my club, however it's some of the worst stuff I've seen under this bloke, people have every right to vote with their feet and make a stance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2016, 02:49:21 PM
Will come as no surprise that I'm pleased with this and could probably put forward a few I told you so's.

We're improving slowly and now we can attack the January transfer window of one mind.

Onwards and upwards. Boing Boing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 28, 2016, 02:53:01 PM
Quote from: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 02:10:25 PM
I must say i think were finding out a lot of the real fans of our club are not on this forum won`t renew ever again only been to the villa matches they call themselves Albion fans I`ll be there come Saturday and every week until they put me in my grave love it with a passion and as iv`e said before don`t care who the manager is i follow Albion not the manager as the thousands who are season ticket holders and are ther week in week out.

Not real fans because we have the audacity to question the decisions of the club that we each spend so much of our money to follow? I, like you, will still be there 'come Saturday and every week until they put me in my grave' but I cannot say I 'love it with a passion' anymore and that is thanks to the decisions that the club have made.

I am not watching football currently, other than what the opposition are playing which I have no interest in seeing because I love the Albion and want to see the opposition fail to our benefit not vice versa. Against awful sides at home we still concede the possession but there is more to it than just the possession because of course that is what a number of people who seem to be happy with all at good ship West Brom regardless will point to as not deciding the result, but with the lack of possession we lack any impetus, lack ability to string passes together and therefore lack ability to create chances.

People talk about the West Ham game. We were woeful in that game, West Ham just lacked the basic ability to defend in any way, shape or form, two of the goals came from some lad sticking a hand in the air for some unknown reason and them not leaving a single person on the halfway line from a corner. They still outplayed us for the majority of the game and were it not for their howlers, would likely have beaten us.

This is not football chaps, sorry to say it, but it is not. Worries me with the lack of ambition of a number of the fans on here, do you not wish to strive for better for us? The structure is in place for better, fantastic training facilities and academy set up, we just need the head coach with the ability to knit it all together and bring in the players of the ilk to give us better regularly, not as a one off like Chadli has been this season.

My ten penneth either way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on October 28, 2016, 03:05:47 PM
Quote from: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 02:10:25 PM
I must say i think were finding out a lot of the real fans of our club are not on this forum won`t renew ever again only been to the villa matches they call themselves Albion fans I`ll be there come Saturday and every week until they put me in my grave love it with a passion and as iv`e said before don`t care who the manager is i follow Albion not the manager as the thousands who are season ticket holders and are ther week in week out.

I've had two failed relationships and lost thousands due to splitting up properties etc... because for me, I love the albion more than makes logical sense and is in any way healthy. But I still wont be going again until this pillock has gone. Each to their own ay?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on October 28, 2016, 03:18:22 PM
There is no such thing as a "real fan". GENERAL COMMENT!

FFS, boost your ego because you go anywhere, do anything and never make any dissenting comment.

That might not be in the best interests of the club but hey ho being passive makes you a "real fan". Really?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 28, 2016, 03:18:57 PM
WBA
West Bromwich Apathy
that's what our great clubs becoming in my view, the board shows very little ambition , the head coach shows no ambition particularly to cup games, even fans over the last few years have lost their voices, for a coach who many dislike how often have they expressed their feelings about Pulis loud enough at the match for anyone to take notice.
I want Pulis gone purely because I don't enjoy what he dishes up ,i don't hate the bloke just his style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 28, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
This just seems like a move to avoid a dead man walking situation with Pulis come the January transfer window. If he preforms badly he'll still be gone but if he does well then they don't have to worry about a bidding war for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on October 28, 2016, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: section5 on October 28, 2016, 02:15:08 PM
Chadli? Rondon? Evans? Would walk into 15 out of 20 prem teams, signed by...
Gardner Dawson Olson McClean Philips and others would walk into a mid table championship side,just to balance your argument
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 28, 2016, 04:16:31 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on October 28, 2016, 03:39:14 PM
Gardner Dawson Olson McClean Philips and others would walk into a mid table championship side,just to balance your argument

Add to that Lambert, Chester and Pritchard.

Give it 6 months we'll probably be saying Nyom too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on October 28, 2016, 04:31:33 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2016, 02:49:21 PM
Will come as no surprise that I'm pleased with this and could probably put forward a few I told you so's.

We're improving slowly and now we can attack the January transfer window of one mind.

Onwards and upwards. Boing Boing!
would like you to point out how we are improving? scored 2 or more goals once in the league this season, kept 2 clean sheets this season and as of yet have only played 1 of last years top 6 teams 3 points worse off after 9 games and last years first 9 were arguably more difficult and thats an improvement !!??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 28, 2016, 04:34:27 PM
Well that's that. It's a sensible decision only if the board back Pulis with the players he wants in January and next summer instead of the tension or conflict that seemed to be there in the summer and the team is left under resourced or was that a convenient way for the club to deflect criticism from fans for not bringing in more quality? Back to Pulis, a good manager at achieving results and will have the support of most fans if the results are good and he attempts to attack teams more at home instead of bottling it against the bottom half teams and sitting back to deep.

Good luck Tony , please loosen up at home though and buy more players like Evans, Robdon and Chadli and fewer like Chester, Lambert and Mcmanaman.

COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 28, 2016, 05:09:38 PM
What get's me is the fans who say as soon as Pulis as gone I will be back, how do they know that a new bloke wont be worse, and before anyone says no one could be worse, well in my 50 years plus of supporting Albion I have seen much worse.

I didn't want Pulis and wont shed a tear when he goes, but I will be there whoever the manager is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on October 28, 2016, 05:21:20 PM
gutted,heartbroken but not totally unexpected has it seems Mr lai  has brought into the TP has manager guarantee's prem football for next season, i would have been suicidal had it been a 2 or 3 year deal that's for sure. It seem's Mr lai is saying to TP here's your chance show me or i'll fire you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 28, 2016, 05:56:50 PM
If looking for the good news, this will save me a few quid!

Last season I turned MOTD off my season planner as it was just wasting space. This season I didn't renew my season ticket as going and watching the team I support became a chore and something I actively didn't look forward to.

Personally, I think if you put being in the Premiership above watching 11 men attempt to win a game of football, Sky truly have suckered you in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on October 28, 2016, 06:18:21 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on October 28, 2016, 05:56:50 PM
If looking for the good news, this will save me a few quid!

Last season I turned MOTD off my season planner as it was just wasting space. This season I didn't renew my season ticket as going and watching the team I support became a chore and something I actively didn't look forward to.

Personally, I think if you put being in the Premiership above watching 11 men attempt to win a game of football, Sky truly have suckered you in.

A few seasons ago i asked a question on whether has fans given a choice would you take sexy football over premiere football at any cost, most posts chose premiere football. ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 28, 2016, 06:29:24 PM
I'm happy with this as long as he goes out to replace Fletcher in January and makes more positive signings like the last window.
Taking this season into isolation I think we've played better football than last year and I am fine with that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on October 28, 2016, 06:32:29 PM
Very difficult to say how I feel over the contract ! That's how polarised Pulis makes you feel.

He was just what we needed when he came in after two farcical years and heading for almost certain relegation - he steadied the ship and made us hard to beat.

You keep hoping he will get more expansive with better quality though Peace never really went out and backed up enough - we see flashes of what the side could be capable of but then revert back to type (so frustrating against the 'smaller' teams).

However, on balance, I feel it's probably the best thing that the Club have tied him up and took away some uncertainty - a shortish extended contract with full backing in January and let's see where we end up this season. Just because he's signed up doesn't mean we cannot get rid if we are struggling at any point.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 28, 2016, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on October 28, 2016, 05:09:38 PM
What get's me is the fans who say as soon as Pulis as gone I will be back, how do they know that a new bloke wont be worse, and before anyone says no one could be worse, well in my 50 years plus of supporting Albion I have seen much worse.

I didn't want Pulis and wont shed a tear when he goes, but I will be there whoever the manager is.
I agree with that, I can't stand Pulis or his football but what sort of supporter picks and chooses whether to go based on who is picking the team, the same fans probably complain about being treated like 'customers'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on October 28, 2016, 08:50:06 PM
Great news to come back from holiday to

I'm a pulis fan and a fan of being in the prem, now peace is gone we have a manager that will keep us up and be able to add more players like chadli and get us stable in top 10 and winning a cup

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on October 28, 2016, 09:08:32 PM
Thanks alwaysabilly some sense at last i agree totally.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 28, 2016, 09:44:43 PM
With Pulis' contract running down if the club hadn't done something the speculation would have been mounting through the rest of the season and once a question mark is hanging over a coach's head players often switch off.

The 12 month extension just kicks the issue down the road and it is the bare minimum that club could have done assuming there was no stomach for getting shot of him.

Obviously I'm dismayed that other things being equal that unless we get relegated there is no end in sight to Pulisball. Regardless of who we bring in January or how much money we spend the same old utterly negative neanderthal tactics will be the norm.

My only hope is that the new ownership have set him the target of a top 10 finish and standard Pulisball is incapable of delivering that so maybe he'll have to come out of his shell because the usual 40 to 45 points won't cut the mustard anymore.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on October 28, 2016, 10:12:59 PM
Quote from: Standaman on October 28, 2016, 09:44:43 PM
With Pulis' contract running down if the club hadn't done something the speculation would have been mounting through the rest of the season and once a question mark is hanging over a coach's head players often switch off.

The 12 month extension just kicks the issue down the road and it is the bare minimum that club could have done assuming there was no stomach for getting shot of him.

Obviously I'm dismayed that other things being equal that unless we get relegated there is no end in sight to Pulisball. Regardless of who we bring in January or how much money we spend the same old utterly negative neanderthal tactics will be the norm.

My only hope is that the new ownership have set him the target of a top 10 finish and standard Pulisball is incapable of delivering that so maybe he'll have to come out of his shell because the usual 40 to 45 points won't cut the mustard anymore.
There's not a cat in hells chance he will come out of his shell and I should think that that is why his tenure of stoke came to an end.all those years there and still the same approach to the game now with us. Stoke and him had an amicable parting but I think their owner was glad to see him go so they could try a different approach
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 28, 2016, 10:22:42 PM
Quote from: alwaysbilly on October 28, 2016, 08:50:06 PM
Great news to come back from holiday to

I'm a pulis fan and a fan of being in the prem, now peace is gone we have a manager that will keep us up and be able to add more players like chadli and get us stable in top 10 and winning a cup


It's nothing at all to do with if peace is here or not, its who pulis is as a manager... he's known for keeping teams up that's all and that's not even a guarantee (I've never been shot, but just because it's never happened yet it doesn't mean it can't happen).

Peace wasn't at stoke with him and whilst he kept them up, he didn't finish any season with them in the top 10 nor did he win any cups, plus his signings for stoke have never been breathtaking really have they?

I'm sorry but hes an average mid table at best manager, not saying i expect us to go get someone else and win the league but if you seriously think pulis is going to change his ways just because peace is no longer the main man... your going to be in for a shock.

Best get ready for another long, mind numbing, boring season where we go on a poor run and get a cracking result once every 2 months, moaning fans and pulis' excuses along with him bigging up any club we play against about how great they are for when they p*ss all over us and don't let us have a kick of the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 28, 2016, 10:48:57 PM
Laughing my socks off today. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 28, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on October 28, 2016, 10:12:59 PM
There's not a cat in hells chance he will come out of his shell and I should think that that is why his tenure of stoke came to an end.all those years there and still the same approach to the game now with us. Stoke and him had an amicable parting but I think their owner was glad to see him go so they could try a different approach

I wouldn't bet on it either but without some sort of tactical progression we won't break into the top half and if that's the benchmark then maybe all we've done is saddle ourselves with a compensation package when we let him go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 28, 2016, 11:18:12 PM
Nice win against city tomorrow to celebrate then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 28, 2016, 11:20:48 PM
Said it before but we've already played some decent football in certain games last year and this year. It's not the same standard 'Pulisball' approach (whatever that is) each and every game.
I didn't want him as manager originally in case he turned us into the ugly version of Stoke....he hasn't. With gradual increase in squad quality I think and hope we'll see more consistent positive performances.....I hope people judge what they see and not what they expect from a 'Pulis team'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 28, 2016, 11:23:08 PM
As I said in the pre match thread, if we perform like we did against spurs we will do well against the tougher sides. There's something about defending like crazy then grabbing a goal that does feel satisfying
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on October 28, 2016, 11:52:16 PM
Quote from: Adder on October 28, 2016, 11:20:48 PM
Said it before but we've already played some decent football in certain games last year and this year. It's not the same standard 'Pulisball' approach (whatever that is) each and every game.
I didn't want him as manager originally in case he turned us into the ugly version of Stoke....he hasn't. With gradual increase in squad quality I think and hope we'll see more consistent positive performances.....I hope people judge what they see and not what they expect from a 'Pulis te
our current first 11 is capable of giving at least half the league a run for for their money but pulis holds them back on handbrake style football.im talking the coach down and not the players
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 29, 2016, 12:01:20 AM
Quote from: Adder on October 28, 2016, 11:20:48 PM
Said it before but we've already played some decent football in certain games last year and this year. It's not the same standard 'Pulisball' approach (whatever that is) each and every game.
I didn't want him as manager originally in case he turned us into the ugly version of Stoke....he hasn't. With gradual increase in squad quality I think and hope we'll see more consistent positive performances.....I hope people judge what they see and not what they expect from a 'Pulis team'.

We haven't progressed at all. It is the same old deep sitting lump it in the general direction of isolated forwards creating very little from open play, it looks like a Pulis team, it plays like a Pulis team and it won't change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on October 29, 2016, 06:16:49 AM
I feel this is good news. I'm pleased the issue has been resolved and everyone knows where we stand. With the contract winding down, it was clearly not an ideal situation, especially with the January transfer window approaching. So I'm very pleased with the news.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on October 29, 2016, 08:18:46 AM
If we can get a left back, centre mid and striker in January of chadli's quality then I'll be happy. Never had a problem with us sitting back against the big teams, that's normal, but when we do it against the likes of Bournemouth, Sunderland etc then it gets a bit mind numbing. Hopefully with better players we can start attacking these teams
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on October 29, 2016, 08:45:33 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 28, 2016, 11:23:08 PM
As I said in the pre match thread, if we perform like we did against spurs we will do well against the tougher sides. There's something about defending like crazy then grabbing a goal that does feel satisfying
For me that was exactly how we played under Gary Megson and I loved it back then. I remember being played off the park at home by Birmingham City - almost no possession, no shots on target and then up pops Richard Sneekes and one-nil to the Albion. Happy days! Trouble is we all expect more now having established ourselves as a premier league team. I'm starting to come around to the opinion that we need to be careful what we wish for - look at the likes of Charlton who were in a similar situation to us and got tired of football under Curbishly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 29, 2016, 09:45:06 AM
First chance I've had to get on here since the news of the extended deal broke yesterday. I'm amazed that so many people didn't see it coming, in the last week or so we have seen comments from Pulis that have been positive about the future and in particular the upcoming transfer window so I think it was clear he was staying on beyond the summer.

I personally think the timing of it isn't bad as there is now absolutely no excuse for us to have a poor January window, there are no distractions for the coaching staff knowing he has the extra year so they just get on with their job and they have plenty of time to sort their transfer strategy out even though I still expect any business to be done late in the window. Pulis is happy with the extended deal yet its hardly a vote of confidence in him for the long-term, the cost of potentially sacking him hasn't exactly gone up massively. The goalposts have also been moved as its clear he is no longer just expected to keep us in this division but to move us on and get into the top 10, that is something he's never achieved before so the pressure is now on him to deliver. With all of that considered I don't think its a bad move for either party.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on October 29, 2016, 10:42:51 AM
Great news as far as I am concerned. Yes, our football has been rubbish to watch but effective since Pulis took over, and what we need at present with the ownership change is stability and investment. We seem to have identified the "stability" part, now all we need is some investment in quality players and we won't be far off being a top 10 club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on October 29, 2016, 10:58:53 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on October 29, 2016, 10:42:51 AM
Great news as far as I am concerned. Yes, our football has been rubbish to watch but effective since Pulis took over, and what we need at present with the ownership change is stability and investment. We seem to have identified the "stability" part, now all we need is some investment in quality players and we won't be far off being a top 10 club.
as the old saying goes,whatever floats your boat mate but dont hold your breath on breaking the top ten anytime soon with pulis,he hasnt done it yet as a coach and i dont think he can.love to be proven wrong though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 29, 2016, 11:07:34 AM
Quote from: barnestormer on October 28, 2016, 11:52:16 PM
our current first 11 is capable of giving at least half the league a run for for their money but pulis holds them back on handbrake style football.im talking the coach down and not the players
totally agree mate we have the makings of a good team with a few additions silver ware might not be far away but the negative approach by pulis could delay this
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 29, 2016, 12:10:47 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 28, 2016, 11:23:08 PM
if we perform like we did against spurs we will do well against the tougher sides. There's something about defending like crazy then grabbing a goal that does feel satisfying
So you (and Pulis obviously) regard living a charmed life at one end and then scoring a goal against the run of play at the other as a recipe for continuing success then? I guess it needs to be, as having our backs to the wall whilst hoping we can somehow nick something from a set piece is what having 30-40% of the possession typically leads to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 29, 2016, 12:23:14 PM
Quote from: baggie96 on October 29, 2016, 08:18:46 AM
If we can get a left back, centre mid and striker in January of chadli's quality then I'll be happy. Never had a problem with us sitting back against the big teams, that's normal, but when we do it against the likes of Bournemouth, Sunderland etc then it gets a bit mind numbing. Hopefully with better players we can start attacking these teams

 The definition Chadli quality is international on the fringes of a Champions League/ Europa league level team at or close to their peak. In January we will be lucky to get one of those. In any event we won't attack even if by magic we had Barcelona's squad our approach is ingrained hasn't changed and won't regardless of who we sign
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on October 29, 2016, 12:36:29 PM
Not 100% sure of what to make of it but will wait till the transfer window to see what quality we can bring in. One thing i will say is TP's style of football wont sell to the Chinese market were i thought our Chairrman would have looked to aim for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on October 29, 2016, 12:51:01 PM
I have no axe to grind about Pulis what's more enlighting is this decision shows our new owner is a cautious type.
He will not sack managers every 3mths like our neighbours would you prefer an owner who was more volatile?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 29, 2016, 12:57:44 PM
Cant help but feel that Tony Pulis has somehow hoodwinked the new owners to help him with his Crystal Palace debt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 29, 2016, 01:01:50 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 29, 2016, 12:57:44 PM
Cant help but feel that Tony Pulis has somehow hoodwinked the new owners to help him with his Crystal Palace debt.

I'd say the new owners main priority is making sure the club stay in this division to keep the finances coming in from tv rights. I doubt they give a monkeys about any money Pulis owes anyone unless you have any evidence to support your theory ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 29, 2016, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on October 29, 2016, 01:01:50 PM
I'd say the new owners main priority is making sure the club stay in this division to keep the finances coming in from tv rights. I doubt they give a monkeys about any money Pulis owes anyone unless you have any evidence to support your theory ?

I will present my evidence when you present yours to the contrary.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on October 29, 2016, 01:15:36 PM
Looks like we've sold out to the Chinese JP. I really can't see how we can evolve when we give new contracts to Olsson, Gardner and now TP. I'm not sure why people are getting their hopes up over the January window either. It's a tough time to buy especially for an unfashionable club like ours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 29, 2016, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 29, 2016, 01:09:18 PM
I will present my evidence when you present yours to the contrary.  ;D

I don't need to produce anything, i'm not making comments that someone has "somehow hoodwinked" someone else.  ;)

I think its a sensible decision, slightly disappointing but sensible. Club need to stay in the division and I guess for their first season in charge they won't be too concerned how its done as long as its done and the money is guaranteed for another year at least, next season will be the test for Pulis now. Club need to bring in the quality of Chadli/ Evans in other areas and not bring in the back up to sit on the bench as we have been accustomed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on October 29, 2016, 05:00:31 PM
Only in football can you get rewarded for poor performance. Our start to this season is now worse than Clarkes' second when he got sacked and also Irvines.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 29, 2016, 05:03:43 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on October 29, 2016, 05:00:31 PM
Only in football can you get rewarded for poor performance. Our start to this season is now worse than Clarkes' second when he got sacked and also Irvines.
I'll do some comparative stats later if I get chance and can be arsed, assuming no-one beats me to it.

We're progressing well though, let no-one tell you otherwise....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 29, 2016, 05:07:01 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on October 29, 2016, 05:00:31 PM
Only in football can you get rewarded for poor performance. Our start to this season is now worse than Clarkes' second when he got sacked and also Irvines.

If this poor run of not winning games (including the back-end of last season) continues I can't see him surviving beyond Xmas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 29, 2016, 06:17:43 PM
I think the new investors have seen his record of keeping teams in the prem and have invested in that. Let's be honest they bought us to make money, and the way to do that is staying in the league. Pulis will keep us up this season, and it's also helped our position in the January window, which would have been more difficult if Pulis was leaving in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 29, 2016, 07:24:15 PM
His insistence on praising opposition and bemoaning his own team will surely get him the built we hope
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 29, 2016, 07:39:10 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on October 29, 2016, 05:07:01 PM
If this poor run of not winning games (including the back-end of last season) continues I can't see him surviving beyond Xmas.
Clarke and Irvine has to be said had inferior squads than this Muppet, his tactics are awful but what really pees me right off is his moaning that he hasn't got any quality in team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiesboots on October 29, 2016, 08:05:50 PM
All other things (and there's loads!) Aside, does anyone else find it completely idiotic that in the match programme, TP talks about  us 'All working as one' fans,players,board etc, then sets a team out to defend for its life,which fails miserably, so then hides in the changing room, sending out DK questioning the players winning mentality and their lack of ability?

Work together?! What a Joker   :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on October 29, 2016, 08:48:18 PM
I don't get this stick with Pulis and we will stay up. Ok he may have never been relegated but how much of that is down to luck rather than judgment. And don't think because he has got an extra 12 months on his contract that the new regime would not sack him. All he has is an insurance policy for the next 18 months. Lose our next two games and I feel that Lai and Williams will act. I will tell you now there is no way Pulis will be here for 18 months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 29, 2016, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: botters on October 29, 2016, 08:48:18 PM
I don't get this stick with Pulis and we will stay up. Ok he may have never been relegated but how much of that is down to luck rather than judgment. And don't think because he has got an extra 12 months on his contract that the new regime would not sack him. All he has is an insurance policy for the next 18 months. Lose our next two games and I feel that Lai and Williams will act. I will tell you now there is no way Pulis will be here for 18 months.
I'd be delighted if this prat just jogged on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 29, 2016, 10:30:31 PM
We have surrendered the last 2 games before kick off. One of the 2 our mini revivals was brace and we pulled one back the other it was too little too late and we got put to the sword. Why wait to 2-0 to play with freedom and eventually lose why not go at 0-0 and if we lose we lose.

We set up the same regardless if it's a league 1 side in the cup or the elite of the premier league we play not to lose and efficiently grind out a result. Negative tactics cost us against a very poor Sunderland and quite Ann average Bournemouth.

Against the top sides in reality they are bonus games were not expected to get anything but that doesn't mean we should surrender pre game and play our best defender in cm with a past it captain marvel whilst playing Olson at cb.

In reality if you play not to lose you won't win many. I don't buy this we're not good enough as a club. This is possibly the best squad we have had in my lifetime he's had 4 transfer windows we have broken 2 transfer records and there has been a hell of a turnover. More quality will be added but plodders and grafters like Gardner and McLean will still get chosen over technical players.

Manager needed going at the end of last season. Understand he's been kept on for continuity during the takeover but it's 2 wins in 21 games (even with positive spin it's 2 wins in 10 this season) his total is less than what Irvine managed. I can count the times I have been entertained in the last 2 years on one hand. We have stayed up of the base of some hard work and a lot of luck and the fact there has always been 3 teams worse than us. Pulis will eventually break his relegation duck as he is a dinosaur and I for one do not want that to be at the helm of my club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 29, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: botters on October 29, 2016, 08:48:18 PM
I don't get this stick with Pulis and we will stay up. Ok he may have never been relegated but how much of that is down to luck rather than judgment. And don't think because he has got an extra 12 months on his contract that the new regime would not sack him. All he has is an insurance policy for the next 18 months. Lose our next two games and I feel that Lai and Williams will act. I will tell you now there is no way Pulis will be here for 18 months.

So for all the years he has managed across all the clubs, never getting relegated has always be down to luck and not down to his judgment???

best post I've seen on Pulis yet...utterly ridiculous

24 years of luck  :-X

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 29, 2016, 11:09:38 PM
Here are our result stats for the first 10 league games in every season since we were last promoted:

SeasonManagerWonDrawnLostForAgainstPoints
2010-11Di Matteo433141715
2011-12Hodgson32591311
2012-13Clarke523151117
2013-14Clarke343101013
2014-15Irvine343131313
2015-16Pulis42481114
2016-17Pulis244101410

Doing this comparison more than a quarter of the way through the season seems reasonable to me and reveals that this is our worst start to a Premiership season since we were promoted in 2009-10. We actually had the same number of points at this stage in our last relegation season of 2008-09. The last time we had fewer points than this season after 10 games was in the 2005-06 season, when Robson was sacked after 6 games and we eventually went down. We've also conceded the most goals after 10 games so far this season since the 2010-11 campaign.

Here's our league form going back further:

2 wins in the past 19 games
5 wins in the past 28 games

So, given that this is our worst start to a season since our most recent promotion, and also the appalling lack of wins whatever timeframe you choose to look at it, the only thing more mystifying to me than the claims being made that we're making progress under Pulis is the decision made this week by the owners and Chairman to give him a contract extension on the back of an abysmal run of results, stretching back 28 games, that would have seen 99% of managers sacked long ago. During that same run of matches, we also lost in the FA Cup to Reading and in the League Cup to Northampton (although, in the FA Cup, we did beat Bristol City and then the mighty Peterborough on penalties after a replay during the same period).

Pulis has now had 4 transfer windows since he was appointed and yet still some regard the deficiencies in the squad as being someone else's fault.

Add into the mix the generally appalling style of football and, for me, the sooner Pulis goes and we bring in someone more progressive, rather than regressive like he is, the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 30, 2016, 12:13:29 AM
Pulis on current form is in dangerous territory. However he's just been awarded a contract extension which would seem to suggest that the club isn't expecting to change Head Coach anytime soon. On that basis I think unless the wheels drop off completely he won't be under serious pressure until the end of the year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 30, 2016, 12:18:10 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on October 29, 2016, 11:09:38 PM
Here are our result stats for the first 10 league games in every season since we were last promoted:

SeasonManagerWonDrawnLostForAgainstPoints
2010-11Di Matteo433141715
2011-12Hodgson32591311
2012-13Clarke523151117
2013-14Clarke343101013
2014-15Irvine343131313
2015-16Pulis42481114
2016-17Pulis244101410

Doing this comparison more than a quarter of the way through the season seems reasonable to me and reveals that this is our worst start to a Premiership season since we were promoted in 2009-10. We actually had the same number of points at this stage in our last relegation season of 2008-09. The last time we had fewer points than this season after 10 games was in the 2005-06 season, when Robson was sacked after 6 games and we eventually went down. We've also conceded the most goals after 10 games so far this season since the 2010-11 campaign.

Here's our league form going back further:

2 wins in the past 19 games
5 wins in the past 28 games

So, given that this is our worst start to a season since our most recent promotion, and also the appalling lack of wins whatever timeframe you choose to look at it, the only thing more mystifying to me than the claims being made that we're making progress under Pulis is the decision made this week by the owners and Chairman to give him a contract extension on the back of an abysmal run of results, stretching back 28 games, that would have seen 99% of managers sacked long ago. During that same run of matches, we also lost in the FA Cup to Reading and in the League Cup to Northampton (although, in the FA Cup, we did beat Bristol City and then the mighty Peterborough on penalties after a replay during the same period).

Pulis has now had 4 transfer windows since he was appointed and yet still some regard the deficiencies in the squad as being someone else's fault.

Add into the mix the generally appalling style of football and, for me, the sooner Pulis goes and we bring in someone more progressive, rather than regressive like he is, the better.
takes some defending those stats, I assume someone will try and pick it apart.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 30, 2016, 12:34:17 AM
The stats above are inexcusable and can't be defended he has to go
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on October 30, 2016, 12:56:15 AM
Spot on with this analysis.
I am seething with the news we have pulis for this season & now next season.
I just don't recognise my club anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 30, 2016, 01:08:14 AM
How many times in his post-match interview has he now complained that we back-off or stood off the opposition too much during a first half and who sets up us to play like that? I'm sure the players don't do it instinctively.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 30, 2016, 08:53:39 AM
Going to have to pick a completely shaken up back 4 again next week with McClean and Dawson suspended. Look forward to Evans as a full back and Olsson in the centre again
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 30, 2016, 09:03:22 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on October 29, 2016, 11:09:38 PM
Here are our result stats for the first 10 league games in every season since we were last promoted:

SeasonManagerWonDrawnLostForAgainstPoints
2010-11Di Matteo433141715
2011-12Hodgson32591311
2012-13Clarke523151117
2013-14Clarke343101013
2014-15Irvine343131313
2015-16Pulis42481114
2016-17Pulis244101410

Doing this comparison more than a quarter of the way through the season seems reasonable to me and reveals that this is our worst start to a Premiership season since we were promoted in 2009-10. We actually had the same number of points at this stage in our last relegation season of 2008-09. The last time we had fewer points than this season after 10 games was in the 2005-06 season, when Robson was sacked after 6 games and we eventually went down. We've also conceded the most goals after 10 games so far this season since the 2010-11 campaign.

Here's our league form going back further:

2 wins in the past 19 games
5 wins in the past 28 games

So, given that this is our worst start to a season since our most recent promotion, and also the appalling lack of wins whatever timeframe you choose to look at it, the only thing more mystifying to me than the claims being made that we're making progress under Pulis is the decision made this week by the owners and Chairman to give him a contract extension on the back of an abysmal run of results, stretching back 28 games, that would have seen 99% of managers sacked long ago. During that same run of matches, we also lost in the FA Cup to Reading and in the League Cup to Northampton (although, in the FA Cup, we did beat Bristol City and then the mighty Peterborough on penalties after a replay during the same period).

Pulis has now had 4 transfer windows since he was appointed and yet still some regard the deficiencies in the squad as being someone else's fault.

Add into the mix the generally appalling style of football and, for me, the sooner Pulis goes and we bring in someone more progressive, rather than regressive like he is, the better.

Superb post.Sums up my thoughts and the evidence can't be denied. Some fans and the media have the blinkers on when it comes to Pulis. If Moyes/McLaren etc was our manager he would have been getting a slating for this, yet Pulis seems to be constantly praised for not being relegated and organising his teams well.

Its incredibly frustrating.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 30, 2016, 09:06:16 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 29, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
So for all the years he has managed across all the clubs, never getting relegated has always be down to luck and not down to his judgment???

best post I've seen on Pulis yet...utterly ridiculous

24 years of luck  :-X

Read  the post again.

He didn't say never getting relegated was 'always' down to luck. Don't misquote and exaggerate the post to meet your argument and then say that its an utterly ridiculous post. Your response sums up why it can be difficult to have an adult conversation sometimes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on October 30, 2016, 09:10:32 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 29, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
So for all the years he has managed across all the clubs, never getting relegated has always be down to luck and not down to his judgment???

best post I've seen on Pulis yet...utterly ridiculous

24 years of luck  :-X

Yes and when he takes us down this season that will be utterly ridiculous too. I suppose you are happy with us just setting up not to lose games. 4000 plus off our home gated is also utterly ridiculous!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on October 30, 2016, 09:15:00 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on October 29, 2016, 11:09:38 PM
Here are our result stats for the first 10 league games in every season since we were last promoted:

SeasonManagerWonDrawnLostForAgainstPoints
2010-11Di Matteo433141715
2011-12Hodgson32591311
2012-13Clarke523151117
2013-14Clarke343101013
2014-15Irvine343131313
2015-16Pulis42481114
2016-17Pulis244101410

Doing this comparison more than a quarter of the way through the season seems reasonable to me and reveals that this is our worst start to a Premiership season since we were promoted in 2009-10. We actually had the same number of points at this stage in our last relegation season of 2008-09. The last time we had fewer points than this season after 10 games was in the 2005-06 season, when Robson was sacked after 6 games and we eventually went down. We've also conceded the most goals after 10 games so far this season since the 2010-11 campaign.

Here's our league form going back further:

2 wins in the past 19 games
5 wins in the past 28 games

So, given that this is our worst start to a season since our most recent promotion, and also the appalling lack of wins whatever timeframe you choose to look at it, the only thing more mystifying to me than the claims being made that we're making progress under Pulis is the decision made this week by the owners and Chairman to give him a contract extension on the back of an abysmal run of results, stretching back 28 games, that would have seen 99% of managers sacked long ago. During that same run of matches, we also lost in the FA Cup to Reading and in the League Cup to Northampton (although, in the FA Cup, we did beat Bristol City and then the mighty Peterborough on penalties after a replay during the same period).

Pulis has now had 4 transfer windows since he was appointed and yet still some regard the deficiencies in the squad as being someone else's fault.

Add into the mix the generally appalling style of football and, for me, the sooner Pulis goes and we bring in someone more progressive, rather than regressive like he is, the better.
Statistics never lie..excellent post...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 30, 2016, 09:53:54 AM
Well Robson took us down , started in the next level down THEN  got sacked ....just to put that right.
Not defending Pulis but those in that list looked like taking us down , not once has TP looked like that as boring as we are.
Better to judge over at least half a season rather than 10 games Imo , theres a number of reasons for all of those starts.

* apart from Roy of course and first 3 months of Clarke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 30, 2016, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: Dexy on October 30, 2016, 09:53:54 AM
Well Robson took us down , started in the next level down THEN  got sacked ....just to put that right.
Not defending Pulis but those in that list looked like taking us down , not once has TP looked like that as boring as we are.
Better to judge over at least half a season rather than 10 games Imo , theres a number of reasons for all of those starts.

* apart from Roy of course and first 3 months of Clarke.

Matter of opinion that. Pulis looks like taking us down. His team selections are woeful and totally under utilise our squad. We're going to be right in the bottom few following our next few games. He is Ann escape artist from a mess that he creates for himself by playing people out of position and surrendering 50% of the games we play.

Dawson suspended next week so god knows what his back 4 will look like. We're 10 games in and had 3 of our regular players suspended for persistent yellow cards that's poor!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 30, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on October 30, 2016, 11:33:15 AM
Matter of opinion that. Pulis looks like taking us down. His team selections are woeful and totally under utilise our squad. We're going to be right in the bottom few following our next few games. He is Ann escape artist from a mess that he creates for himself by playing people out of position and surrendering 50% of the games we play.

Dawson suspended next week so god knows what his back 4 will look like. We're 10 games in and had 3 of our regular players suspended for persistent yellow cards that's poor!
Quite agree on this season , I was however talking about his previous time in charge.
Dawson out means we might actually see Nyom on his correct foot!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 30, 2016, 11:49:58 AM
Watched the extended highlights on sky, besides the utter tripe that was dished out by pulis what struck me were the amount of empty seats around ground. City must have had around three thousand at game so there were less than eighteen thousand home fan's in a catchment area of five million.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on October 30, 2016, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: Dexy on October 30, 2016, 09:53:54 AM
Well Robson took us down , started in the next level down THEN  got sacked ....just to put that right.
Not defending Pulis but those in that list looked like taking us down , not once has TP looked like that as boring as we are.
Better to judge over at least half a season rather than 10 games Imo , theres a number of reasons for all of those starts.

* apart from Roy of course and first 3 months of Clarke.
Right now i seriously believe Pulis looks like taking us down if only because of his tactical intransigence. He sets up the same way regardless you would hope the first twenty minutes of the second half yesterday would have taught him something but i wont hold my breath
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 30, 2016, 12:23:32 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 30, 2016, 09:53:54 AM
Well Robson took us down , started in the next level down THEN  got sacked ....just to put that right.
Yes, my bad - Robson was in charge for the whole of the 2005-06 relegation season.

Pulis's post-match comments yesterday interested me:

"I don't know what it is. You try to convince the players they are good enough to be on there. Obviously the teamsheet comes through and you see the players City have got and they're fantastic players. But you've still got to be up for it and in their faces.

I'll have a good chat with them, because it's the third time it's happened against the bigger clubs. You've got to have that confidence. We're not talking about a group of players who are not experienced. We're talking about a group of players with experience who have to have the belief. To be honest our form hasn't been too bad. We lost at Liverpool which was the first defeat in four so the confidence should be there."

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-questions-belief-west-12098154)

He doesn't seemt to realise that his negative team selections and approach makes the players be fearful, not just of the opposition but also of not keeping to the rigid defensive structure that he wants to apply during games, except when it's the second half and we're losing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 30, 2016, 12:40:04 PM
I think it was clear that we feared them in the first half yesterday. Gave them too much respect, space and time on the ball. And when we had the ball we were panic hoofing it and giving it straight back again. As someone mentioned earlier, other teams focused on City's weakness in passing it around at the back and exploited it. We sat off and gave them an easy ride.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on October 30, 2016, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on October 30, 2016, 12:23:32 PM
Pulis's post-match comments yesterday interested me:

"I don't know what it is. You try to convince the players they are good enough to be on there. Obviously the teamsheet comes through and you see the players City have got and they're fantastic players. But you've still got to be up for it and in their faces.

I'll have a good chat with them, bBecause it's the third time it's happened against the bigger clubs. You've got to have that confidence. We're not talking about a group of players who are not experienced. We're talking about a group of players with experience who have to have the belief. To be honest our form hasn't been too bad. We lost at Liverpool which was the first defeat in four so the confidence should be there."

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-questions-belief-west-12098154)

He doesn't seemt to realise that his negative team selections and approach makes the players be fearful, not just of the opposition but also of not keeping to the rigid defensive structure that he wants to apply during games, except when it's the second half and we're losing.

Agree, also his press conferences add to that. Constantly praising the opposition whilst saying this is the hardest job he has had and we kbow what the squad lacks but they're good lads. It all adds to it for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on October 30, 2016, 03:21:59 PM
Used to like listening to Pulis but now seems to have a nasty habit of blaming everyone other than himself. Overly negative approach yesterday, poor team selection, players being played out of position, players being given a start even if their form is woeful.
Don't mind losing to Man City, no shame in that but tactically he got it wrong yesterday. He should take his share of the blame rather than push it all on to his players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on October 30, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Lego on October 30, 2016, 03:21:59 PM
Used to like listening to Pulis but now seems to have a nasty habit of blaming everyone other than himself. Overly negative approach yesterday, poor team selection, players being played out of position, players being given a start even if their form is woeful.
Don't mind losing to Man City, no shame in that but tactically he got it wrong yesterday. He should take his share of the blame rather than push it all on to his players.

Absolutely spot on this. Whenever has Pulis accepted the blame no he would rather blame someone else. Couldn't even be bothered to attend the after match press conference and got Kemp to do it. What does that tell you?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on October 30, 2016, 03:48:36 PM
Been thinking about TP new 12 month contract & the more i thought about it the more seance it made (i hope).
Most teams & players who's contract is running out/down lose desire & passion for were they are & team mates & the squad look at you in a different way i/e why should i listen to you or play for/with you.
So giving TP another 12 months means the team now cant to to thinking F-him he's off neither can he think the same.
So next season if we are still in the premiership doesn't necessary mean TP will still be our manager.
I hope it's the Golden Handshake
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 30, 2016, 05:26:32 PM
Looking at Pulis' record across eight seasons

15/16 Points 43 18th points 37
14/15 Points 44 18th points 35
13/14 Points 45 18th points 33
12/13 Points 42 18th points 36
11/12 Points 45 18th points 36
10/11 Points 46 18th points 39
09/10 Points 47 18th points 30
08/09 Points 45 18th points 34

Often there isn't a lot of leeway between his teams and the team in 18th place he is averaging 1.1 point a game which across a season is only +/- 2 wins ahead of 38 points which is pretty much the bare minimum required to stay in the division. Ultimately it only takes a slight downturn for one of his sides to slip into the relegation spots.

I am not claiming that Pulis' record of never being relegated is only luck but nor is the cast iron guarantee that his supporters seem to think it is. The reality we absolutely can get relegated under Pulis but unlike earlier relegation's we will have the ignominy of playing utterly negative football with a squad that should be capable of better.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 30, 2016, 06:17:50 PM
Not sure why we keep looking back at his previous seasons. I care primarily about what I am watching now, and it is utter dross and dross that isn't even generating the amount of points that will keep us up currently.

Why is the argument always keep Pulis or go down? There is nothing to say that replacing Pulis with a different/better manager will see us go down for the love of God. Even if it does, I would prefer to watch us scoring goals in the Championship that turn up every Saturday to clear my emails because the standard of football is this bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 30, 2016, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: Standaman on October 30, 2016, 05:26:32 PM
Looking at Pulis' record across eight seasons

15/16 Points 43 18th points 37
14/15 Points 44 18th points 35
13/14 Points 45 18th points 33
12/13 Points 42 18th points 36
11/12 Points 45 18th points 36
10/11 Points 46 18th points 39
09/10 Points 47 18th points 30
08/09 Points 45 18th points 34

Often there isn't a lot of leeway between his teams and the team in 18th place he is averaging 1.1 point a game which across a season is only +/- 2 wins ahead of 38 points which is pretty much the bare minimum required to stay in the division. Ultimately it only takes a slight downturn for one of his sides to slip into the relegation spots.

I am not claiming that Pulis' record of never being relegated is only luck but nor is the cast iron guarantee that his supporters seem to think it is. The reality we absolutely can get relegated under Pulis but unlike earlier relegation's we will have the ignominy of playing utterly negative football with a squad that should be capable of better.   

Interestingly, there's only 5 points between the lowest & highest points accumulated (42 & 47), so it's probably fair to say that the "formula" hasn't changed much during that period.
A quick trawl down the Premier league end of season tables suggests that 50 points would give us a top 10 finish, which means that he would have to convert 2 - 3 losses into wins to get us there.
It will be interesting to see how he approaches that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on October 30, 2016, 07:01:46 PM
I don't know what going on at WBA?  And how much of the flak should be directed Pulis's way?  We have a whole host of players in the comfort zone just looking after themselves.  Why give Gardner and Ollson new contracts?  Why sign Matty Phillips for £5m when we have a young player Leko better than him anyway?  Why turn down Camacho when he's going to improve your midfield?  We've signed about 5 left back recently and none seem up to the mark.  Why not cash in on Berahino? 

Morrison and Brunt have good vision and good football brains, however their legs went some time ago.  Fletcher is dead slow, so is Yacob.  We have no pace in the centre of the park and it's been like it for 3 years ever since Mulumbu went.  Football management is nit difficult it seems to me he's making a right mess of it.  The tactics are dull as dishwater.  I think Sunderland and Hull have gone, we're in the mix with the likes of Burnley / Swansea / Middlesbrough.  Swans / Boro are better footballing sides than us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 30, 2016, 07:04:26 PM
What a relief, just sold my seat until January , mainly down to I can't get there because of fixture movements.please don't give or trust this dinosaur with any money to spend in January 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on October 30, 2016, 07:46:29 PM
You may love him you may hate him but the only way to get this club United as one is for Pulis to leave. Yes it's a huge risk which I feel the owner won't make but the positives could quite easily change the whole feel of this fantastic football club.

I'm sure we could attract certain other up and coming managers who would find a better balance, yes Pulis near guarantees survival, but at what cost?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 30, 2016, 07:47:02 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on October 30, 2016, 07:01:46 PM
I don't know what going on at WBA?  And how much of the flak should be directed Pulis's way?  We have a whole host of players in the comfort zone just looking after themselves.  Why give Gardner and Ollson new contracts?  Why sign Matty Phillips for £5m when we have a young player Leko better than him anyway?  Why turn down Camacho when he's going to improve your midfield?  We've signed about 5 left back recently and none seem up to the mark.  Why not cash in on Berahino? 

Morrison and Brunt have good vision and good football brains, however their legs went some time ago.  Fletcher is dead slow, so is Yacob.  We have no pace in the centre of the park and it's been like it for 3 years ever since Mulumbu went.  Football management is nit difficult it seems to me he's making a right mess of it.  The tactics are dull as dishwater.  I think Sunderland and Hull have gone, we're in the mix with the likes of Burnley / Swansea / Middlesbrough.  Swans / Boro are better footballing sides than us.

Really? Surprising that the club pay TP 10 times more than the UK Prime Minister to do the job then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 30, 2016, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on October 30, 2016, 07:47:02 PM
Really? Surprising that the club pay TP 10 times more than the UK Prime Minister to do the job then?

Not surprising but certainly fricking ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 30, 2016, 08:46:25 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on October 30, 2016, 12:34:17 AM
The stats above are inexcusable and can't be defended he has to go

He has just been given a new contract he is going nowhere....why can't people understand this
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 30, 2016, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on October 30, 2016, 11:33:15 AM
Matter of opinion that. Pulis looks like taking us down. His team selections are woeful and totally under utilise our squad. We're going to be right in the bottom few following our next few games. He is Ann escape artist from a mess that he creates for himself by playing people out of position and surrendering 50% of the games we play.

Dawson suspended next week so god knows what his back 4 will look like. We're 10 games in and had 3 of our regular players suspended for persistent yellow cards that's poor!

The same was said last season.....and its the same people saying the same things again this year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 30, 2016, 09:09:38 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 30, 2016, 08:46:25 PM
He has just been given a new contract he is going nowhere....why can't people understand this

I think people can understand that he has been awarded a contract, they just can't believe it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on October 30, 2016, 09:10:21 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on October 30, 2016, 07:47:02 PM
Really? Surprising that the club pay TP 10 times more than the UK Prime Minister to do the job then?

It's all relative to the astronomical amounts of money within the game not down to the ability of these managers.

I bet most WBA fans will find it tough to argue with the points I've raised there.  We've got to pick the best players not shoe-horn people in due to favouritism.  We've got loads of players to chose from but a shortage of quality, the buck stops with the Manager.  Now we've got Brunt and Morrison back to complicate matters further.  Maybe these 2 are worth playing, I'm not saying they shouldn't be. A clear out should've been made in Summer 2016.

It's just worrying when you rewind to Stoke he was still playing Sidibe, Whelan, Whitehead, well into his tenure while Peter Coates was waiting to spend the Bet365 funds!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 30, 2016, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on October 30, 2016, 09:10:21 PM
It's all relative to the astronomical amounts of money within the game not down to the ability of these managers.

I bet most WBA fans will find it tough to argue with the points I've raised there.  We've got to pick the best players not shoe-horn people in due to favouritism.  We've got loads of players to chose from but a shortage of quality, the buck stops with the Manager.  Now we've got Brunt and Morrison back to complicate matters further.  Maybe these 2 are worth playing, I'm not saying they shouldn't be. A clear out should've been made in Summer 2016.

It's just worrying when you rewind to Stoke he was still playing Sidibe, Whelan, Whitehead, well into his tenure while Peter Coates was waiting to spend the Bet365 funds!

Whelan is still playing now  :-X

We'll be fine, we had all the comparison's to Irvine/slow starts etc. last season from the exact same people, we also happen to be coming off the back of a fixture run of Spurs, Liverpool and Man City (anyone looked at the table recently?) We've got plenty on the bottom 12 sides and will be safe as houses by mid March again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 30, 2016, 09:44:00 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 30, 2016, 08:46:25 PM
He has just been given a new contract he is going nowhere....why can't people understand this

It's a results game, we have a run of fixtures before Christmas against the likes of Burnley, Hull, Watford and Swansea we simply have to take decent points from if only to leave us in a comfortable position ahead of the January window. It's hard enough to sign the right quality in January without being in or only just out of the bottom three, struggle to take points from those games then the powers that be will be twitching regardless of the newly signed contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 30, 2016, 10:26:32 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 30, 2016, 08:46:25 PM
He has just been given a new contract he is going nowhere....why can't people understand this

Not if we get dragged into the relegation battle and continue struggling to win games. The new owners won't want to risk dropping out of the Premiership.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on October 30, 2016, 10:34:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 30, 2016, 09:31:26 PM
Whelan is still playing now  :-X

We'll be fine, we had all the comparison's to Irvine/slow starts etc. last season from the exact same people, we also happen to be coming off the back of a fixture run of Spurs, Liverpool and Man City (anyone looked at the table recently?) We've got plenty on the bottom 12 sides and will be safe as houses by mid March again.

We've played 10 games; 5 have been against teams in the top half (including Bournemouth in 10th), 5 have been against teams in the bottom half. We've hardly had a very lopsided fixture list. Yes, our last 3 games have been tough but the previous 7 were easier and overall we've had poor results and poor performances. In your opinion, at what point does it stop being too early in the season to fairly judge the team? We're a quarter of the way through!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on October 30, 2016, 11:45:12 PM
Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same things but expecting a different result. For the past 2 games we played deep, let the other team come on to us and then decided to press and try in the second half. After last week at Liverpool to do the same thing against city is poor management.
The funniest part is Liverpool and City play the same way, Pulis can hardly use the "there tactics surprised me" excuse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 31, 2016, 09:46:32 AM
Quote from: wbawill on October 30, 2016, 10:34:42 PM
We've played 10 games; 5 have been against teams in the top half (including Bournemouth in 10th), 5 have been against teams in the bottom half. We've hardly had a very lopsided fixture list. Yes, our last 3 games have been tough but the previous 7 were easier and overall we've had poor results and poor performances. In your opinion, at what point does it stop being too early in the season to fairly judge the team? We're a quarter of the way through!

Around 16 matches if you've got less than 16 points you consider pulling the trigger. 1-1.1 points per game keeps a team up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on October 31, 2016, 10:14:44 AM
I think it's at a reasonable place to take stock of the season.  Too early to be sacking anyone though.  We've had a good mixture of fixtures and we do need to start picking up some wins. 

It's hard to compare to last season because teams have improved so much.  Liverpool are miles better than last season, City, Chelsea, etc aren't doing as badly either, Spurs are still strong. 

And it is arrogant to look at teams like Bournemouth and Boro and think we should be doing better than them because we're "bigger".  That's the exact same attitude we get from Utd and backside fans and it's annoying then.  Those "smaller" teams are where they are on merit - we need to look at what teams like that are doing and try and improve our selves rather than act entitled. 

I fear our poor summer transfer window is coming back to haunt us when you look at some of the players the other sides brought in - and I think that's where the difference lies.  Now Pulis is on for another year I can't see us getting rid until the end of the season unless we're well down the mire come end of December.  In that case, I really hope we bring in a few new faces in January.  I really think we will this year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on October 31, 2016, 10:18:33 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on October 31, 2016, 10:14:44 AM
I think it's at a reasonable place to take stock of the season.  Too early to be sacking anyone though.  We've had a good mixture of fixtures and we do need to start picking up some wins. 

It's hard to compare to last season because teams have improved so much.  Liverpool are miles better than last season, City, Chelsea, etc aren't doing as badly either, Spurs are still strong. 

And it is arrogant to look at teams like Bournemouth and Boro and think we should be doing better than them because we're "bigger".  That's the exact same attitude we get from Utd and backside fans and it's annoying then.  Those "smaller" teams are where they are on merit - we need to look at what teams like that are doing and try and improve our selves rather than act entitled. 

I fear our poor summer transfer window is coming back to haunt us when you look at some of the players the other sides brought in - and I think that's where the difference lies.  Now Pulis is on for another year I can't see us getting rid until the end of the season unless we're well down the mire come end of December.  In that case, I really hope we bring in a few new faces in January.  I really think we will this year.

Boro especially I don't think was a sense of being entitled to win, I think fans were angry with that one as we didn't even try to win the game

Saturday was poor from Pulis in terms of plan and player selection. His timing of subs also questionable as he should've done it at half time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on October 31, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
No, sorry my fault, it was in reply to another comment on here when someone said "I'm not being arrogant but..." then reeled off a list of teams that we're supposed to be doing better than because we're a bigger team or something.  I didn't mean one particular match, we were very poor in that one.

Saturday was always going to be tough regardless of our set up etc.  I don't mind trying to stay tight (and failing, as we will sometimes), I just want us to learn from this game and take the positive bits from the second half forward into other games.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on October 31, 2016, 10:23:51 AM
So, 6 points from the next 6 games, which include Burnley Hull and Swansea, but also Leicester Chelsea and Watford. It's going to be close! Then the next 3 to reach the half way point are Man U at home and Arsenal and S'ton away. The next few weeks are when we're going to regret the poor results in what should have been a relatively productive start to the season, instead of poor tactics, performances and results against Midds, B'mouth, S'land and Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 31, 2016, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: Wollastonbaggie on October 31, 2016, 10:23:51 AM
So, 6 points from the next 6 games, which include Burnley Hull and Swansea, but also Leicester Chelsea and Watford. It's going to be close! Then the next 3 to reach the half way point are Man U at home and Arsenal and S'ton away. The next few weeks are when we're going to regret the poor results in what should have been a relatively productive start to the season, instead of poor tactics, performances and results against Midds, B'mouth, S'land and Stoke.

2 wins 2 draws 2 defeats, keeps the season ticking over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on October 31, 2016, 10:30:13 AM
And what do you see us getting from the 3 after that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on October 31, 2016, 04:54:27 PM
Following the news of another year on TP's contract - i have signed a one year extension on not being arsed to pay for the privilege of  watching the drivel consistently delivered by TP
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on October 31, 2016, 05:21:28 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on October 30, 2016, 07:01:46 PM
I don't know what going on at WBA?  And how much of the flak should be directed Pulis's way?  We have a whole host of players in the comfort zone just looking after themselves.  Why give Gardner and Ollson new contracts?  Why sign Matty Phillips for £5m when we have a young player Leko better than him anyway?  Why turn down Camacho when he's going to improve your midfield?  We've signed about 5 left back recently and none seem up to the mark.  Why not cash in on Berahino? 

Morrison and Brunt have good vision and good football brains, however their legs went some time ago.  Fletcher is dead slow, so is Yacob.  We have no pace in the centre of the park and it's been like it for 3 years ever since Mulumbu went.  Football management is nit difficult it seems to me he's making a right mess of it.  The tactics are dull as dishwater.  I think Sunderland and Hull have gone, we're in the mix with the likes of Burnley / Swansea / Middlesbrough.  Swans / Boro are better footballing sides than us.
Was thinking yesterday who is worse than us?  Came up with Sunderland and maybe Hull.  Burnley have guts and side that's been here before, so unless Swansea or Boro totally implode, that Burnley game is looking crucial, otherwise where's the next win coming from?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 31, 2016, 06:11:06 PM
Quote from: Wollastonbaggie on October 31, 2016, 10:30:13 AM
And what do you see us getting from the 3 after that?

1, 2 or 3 which would have us on 19, 20 or 21 points, which again would be under par but fine in the scheme of things.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 31, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
He could be in for a whupping.
He is setting us to defend too much.
Other Prem teams have noticed and will alter their teams and strategy to suit.
We will looking at the drop if he isn't careful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 31, 2016, 07:16:48 PM
We were playing more positively until the last 3 games ....it was almost inevitable there would be a more defensive approach against the big boys.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on October 31, 2016, 07:41:25 PM
Tonight's E&S report on Saturday's game makes the point that the world and his wife (and probably his dog!) could see that we needed to press City and give them as little time as possible, but what do we do, give them the freedom of 2 thirds of the pitch and wait for them to come at us presumably because that always works doesn't it-like it did against Tottenham when we could have been 3 down at half time, and Liverpool. And then Pulis has the nerve to blame the players for lacking confidence!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 31, 2016, 08:30:52 PM
One way I keep looking at Pulis and his awful tactical-know how is the upcoming Man City game.

First thing first, i dont expect us to win this game and i of course wouldnt be so stupid to think we should be looking to get 3 points.

However, the past couple of games we've seen teams stop City's early season promise by pressing high and pressing the keeper Bravo when he has the ball. This stagnates City's domination of the ball and actually gives you a solid platform to build on.

I bet my mortgage though that City batter us as we will adopt the "10 behind the ball" approach - which plays straight into their hands.

This is the kind of tactic, judgement and decisions which infuriates me and other fans about Pulis. Alot of his "solid points" are in actual fact damn right luck, nothing to do with tactical decisions whatsoever.

Quote from: The Black Pearl on October 13, 2016, 10:52:13 PM
Don't be silly, do you honestly believe a 1,000 game manager can learn anything from a message board tactical genius.

Was I right Black Pearl?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on October 31, 2016, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 31, 2016, 08:30:52 PM
One way I keep looking at Pulis and his awful tactical-know how is the upcoming Man City game.

First thing first, i dont expect us to win this game and i of course wouldnt be so stupid to think we should be looking to get 3 points.

However, the past couple of games we've seen teams stop City's early season promise by pressing high and pressing the keeper Bravo when he has the ball. This stagnates City's domination of the ball and actually gives you a solid platform to build on.

I bet my mortgage though that City batter us as we will adopt the "10 behind the ball" approach - which plays straight into their hands.

This is the kind of tactic, judgement and decisions which infuriates me and other fans about Pulis. Alot of his "solid points" are in actual fact damn right luck, nothing to do with tactical decisions whatsoever.

Was I right Black Pearl?

I just don't think we posses the energy in midfield to press teams, that's why we are defending so deep.  We've had opportunities to change the personnel in transfer windows but we don't do it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 31, 2016, 08:50:59 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on October 31, 2016, 05:21:28 PM
Was thinking yesterday who is worse than us?  Came up with Sunderland and maybe Hull.  Burnley have guts and side that's been here before, so unless Swansea or Boro totally implode, that Burnley game is looking crucial, otherwise where's the next win coming from?

Hull is worse than us clearly. We are in the same tier as most of the other mid table teams so it will go down to the last few games to see if we finish near 10th or closer to 15th.

I don't see this team getting relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 31, 2016, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 31, 2016, 10:26:52 AM
2 wins 2 draws 2 defeats, keeps the season ticking over.

So we will go from 2 wins in 19 to 2 wins in 6. I hope you are right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 31, 2016, 09:51:35 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 31, 2016, 09:47:27 PM
So we will go from 2 wins in 19 to 2 wins in 6. I hope you are right.

Yeah 2 in 10 to 4 in 16...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 31, 2016, 09:53:05 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 31, 2016, 08:30:52 PM
One way I keep looking at Pulis and his awful tactical-know how is the upcoming Man City game.

First thing first, i dont expect us to win this game and i of course wouldnt be so stupid to think we should be looking to get 3 points.

However, the past couple of games we've seen teams stop City's early season promise by pressing high and pressing the keeper Bravo when he has the ball. This stagnates City's domination of the ball and actually gives you a solid platform to build on.

I bet my mortgage though that City batter us as we will adopt the "10 behind the ball" approach - which plays straight into their hands.

This is the kind of tactic, judgement and decisions which infuriates me and other fans about Pulis. Alot of his "solid points" are in actual fact damn right luck, nothing to do with tactical decisions whatsoever.

Was I right Black Pearl?

Brilliant. You couldn't have been more correct!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 31, 2016, 10:11:56 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on October 31, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
No, sorry my fault, it was in reply to another comment on here when someone said "I'm not being arrogant but..." then reeled off a list of teams that we're supposed to be doing better than because we're a bigger team or something.  I didn't mean one particular match, we were very poor in that one.

Saturday was always going to be tough regardless of our set up etc.  I don't mind trying to stay tight (and failing, as we will sometimes), I just want us to learn from this game and take the positive bits from the second half forward into other games.

That'd be me. (too lazy to check but think I said 'hope I'm not being arrogant' or something to that effect.)
I make no excuse for it though. We have had enough seasons in the Prem now to be pushing on a bit further. I meant no disrespect to those clubs I named, all of which are like us or thereabouts in truth, but this is my club. These are my expectations. And these are my frustrations. If we are in the Prem to just keep putting money in the coffers of the owners we are not even standing still.
Pretty much all of the clubs I named are 'newer' to the Premiership than us, some by a long way. Looking much more exciting.
If you feel that is ok, you are as complicit in the complacency that is prevalent in the club right now as the management itself. Come on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on October 31, 2016, 10:44:34 PM
If history is anything to go by, we may struggle this season. In 9 of the last 10 seasons we have been in the Prem, we have finished lower than we were after 10 games. Starting from a position of 15th, a similar performance would mean we would be in a serious relegation fight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 01, 2016, 06:30:35 AM
Starting with Leicester we are entering a group of winnable games before we play Chelsea.
We need to start picking points up and soon.
Stoke won last night so pushed us down another place.
3 points from the bottom three or three points from the top ten?
Its up to TP and the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 01, 2016, 07:25:15 AM
After Leicester we have three very 'winnable' games. Personally I expect to see 7 out of 9 points as the minimum acceptable. I would also like to think that we could strangle a draw out of Leicester as well - we did last year.

If we don't then we have problems.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on November 01, 2016, 08:02:58 AM
I honestly think this is the year we will go down and lets be honest it's no more than the club (not fans) deserve. Some of the decision making at all levels and most crucially the playing staff have been absolutely shocking, not improving when we've had the chance and rewarding others who Blues or Wolves would turn their noses up at. we are supposed to be a premier league club of many years but we are run like Quarry Bank Social at times (no disrespect to them) we don't seem to have any long term vision whatsoever all we hear is 'we need to be in the league for the money then we can kick on' then nothing happens it's always wait until next season wait until next season....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 01, 2016, 10:27:30 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on November 01, 2016, 08:02:58 AM
I honestly think this is the year we will go down and lets be honest it's no more than the club (not fans) deserve. Some of the decision making at all levels and most crucially the playing staff have been absolutely shocking, not improving when we've had the chance and rewarding others who Blues or Wolves would turn their noses up at. we are supposed to be a premier league club of many years but we are run like Quarry Bank Social at times (no disrespect to them) we don't seem to have any long term vision whatsoever all we hear is 'we need to be in the league for the money then we can kick on' then nothing happens it's always wait until next season wait until next season....

Sometimes I wish we were, they have a good selection of beers, unlike the Albion who cannot even get that right......dropping Bathams for Worthingtons???

Joking apart, what you have said is true. I am consoled by the fact that both Hull and Sunderland seem determined to get relegated, and I think that Swansea will struggle. However, all it takes is for big Sam to go back to Sunderland and we will have a real battle on our hands. I personally don't think we will go down but for me the January transfer window is massive, and I really hope they are doing their homework right now. TP has mentioned the importance of the window, so lets hope it is not full of 'bargain basement/free' players

However, I share your concern.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 01, 2016, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 01, 2016, 10:27:30 AM
Sometimes I wish we were, they have a good selection of beers, unlike the Albion who cannot even get that right......dropping Bathams for Worthingtons???

Joking apart, what you have said is true. I am consoled by the fact that both Hull and Sunderland seem determined to get relegated, and I think that Swansea will struggle. However, all it takes is for big Sam to go back to Sunderland and we will have a real battle on our hands. I personally don't think we will go down but for me the January transfer window is massive, and I really hope they are doing their homework right now. TP has mentioned the importance of the window, so lets hope it is not full of 'bargain basement/free' players

However, I share your concern.

Come onnnnnnnn.
You know that's what it will be like.
We'll all be crouched around the tele on 31st Jan watching the Sky Sports reporter standing in the snow freezing his donads off only to say at 10.00pm, 'the lights have been turned off Geoff, so to summarise West Brom have Charlie Adam and Jonathan Walters on loan until the end of the season'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2016, 10:53:39 AM
just pay him off and give someone else the money to spend wisely
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 01, 2016, 10:56:40 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 01, 2016, 10:27:30 AM
Sometimes I wish we were, they have a good selection of beers, unlike the Albion who cannot even get that right......dropping Bathams for Worthingtons???

Joking apart, what you have said is true. I am consoled by the fact that both Hull and Sunderland seem determined to get relegated, and I think that Swansea will struggle. However, all it takes is for big Sam to go back to Sunderland and we will have a real battle on our hands. I personally don't think we will go down but for me the January transfer window is massive, and I really hope they are doing their homework right now. TP has mentioned the importance of the window, so lets hope it is not full of 'bargain basement/free' players
However, I share your concern.

We also stressed the importance of getting 'quality' players in throughout the whole of the summer and ended up signing Nyom (majority of fans see him as a squad filler), Robson Kanu (who TP has stated wasnt his top choice).

Agreed we signed Chadli, but ill hold my breath for the quality that we will bring in January, can see the express and star article now:

'WBA chairman admits clubs are demanding too much money for players.'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 01, 2016, 11:46:37 AM
Pulis the great is only 3 points from the bottom three, before Christmas we play 2 of the 4 teams that are below us... if we don't get a good run with a few wins we will be IN the bottom 3 come christmas (were only 2 losses away - if other results go against us too... would be 1 if it wasn't for hull letting in so many goals - luckily for us).

Be interesting to see if we can get more 'chadli's, rondon's and Evans' if we are in the drop come January, they would take ALOT of persuading.

How people can think we have any games we are certain to win obviously watch a different team to me, sunderland are sitting bottom with only 2 points and we gave them one of those!

The negative approach is going to put us right into sh*t street.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2016, 11:48:22 AM
Burnley & Hull only a minimum of 4 points will do
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 11:53:13 AM
You cannot get shut of Pulis because there`s no one out there to replace him Just look at the standard of the Dingles candidates rather stick with what we got then have there candidates.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 01, 2016, 11:58:20 AM
Quote from: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 11:53:13 AM
You cannot get shut of Pulis because there`s no one out there to replace him Just look at the standard of the Dingles candidates rather stick with what we got then have there candidates.

And if we lose the next 2 games, we could end up in the bottom 3 - are you going to be saying the same then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 12:18:15 PM
Yes unless you want the likes of Lambert,Sherwood,Phelan, Bradley, Pearson and even Moyes Pulis is better than them If there`s a big name from abroad who could come in i would reconsider but if not we have to stick
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2016, 12:20:31 PM
I am sure Mr Lai can attract a big name for his chineese audience, all the names metioned apart from boring boring Moyes which we are not supposed to discuss play better football for starters, which will please most of us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 01, 2016, 12:24:01 PM
Quote from: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 12:18:15 PM
Yes unless you want the likes of Lambert,Sherwood,Phelan, Bradley, Pearson and even Moyes Pulis is better than them If there`s a big name from abroad who could come in i would reconsider but if not we have to stick

So if that happened, you would be happy to sit in the bottom 3 whilst playing terrible football?

Like WBAinDEVON has just said, Lai could attract a big name... money talks and Lai has more than Peace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 12:28:53 PM
What so its relegation you want thats all you`ll get with any of those managers would rather stick until right man comes available and mark my words we will not be in the bottom 3 come MAY
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 01, 2016, 12:35:19 PM
Quote from: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 12:28:53 PM
What so its relegation you want thats all you`ll get with any of those managers would rather stick until right man comes available and mark my words we will not be in the bottom 3 come MAY

How can you be so sure that's all we will get with those managers?  Pulis has never been relegated yet we are so close to the bottom, have had the worst start someone pointed out along with playing very rubbish football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on November 01, 2016, 12:35:28 PM
i have said it many times and i will say it again... PULIS AND HIS TACTIS + THIS SQUAD  = RELEGATION !!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2016, 12:46:42 PM
all i keep hearing from the media, what do we expect with the squad hes got, its pretty much his bloody squad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 01, 2016, 12:55:00 PM
I'm far from happy at the moment however i do believe there has been an attempt to play slightly better football since the signing of Chadli , that said setting out like non league players against Liverpool and City as good as they are is not acceptable. Frankly i was embarrassed more by those performances than the actual results.
As someone who has sat in the middle with Pulis i believe the time to judge him this season is after the Leicester , Burnley and Hull games. Points AND performances , players in correct position , positive attempts and out of form favourites dropped no matter who they are. Nothing else will do for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kamarasboot on November 01, 2016, 01:30:43 PM
He's got until after the Watford game for me - 4 games where i would image he and his staff would have targeted getting points when the fixtures come out

Yes if we're poor we could be inside the bottom 3, but you need to see who the others face around us and their current form, if you check those fixtures and be realistic about results - 2 wins out of those 4 could quite easily see us sitting in 12/13th.

Look at the fixtures for West Ham, Middlesborough & Swansea in the next 4, horrible for all three, coupled with the fact that Hull & Sunderland can't seem to be able to buy a result at the minute

I'm nowhere near Pulis' biggest fan - but for me to bring in a manager with a better style of football still has to play it with our current squad which is nowhere near good enough in my opinion, unless Lai is going to spend 50/60m in January which I doubt.

 Ultimately none of us know what the plan is by the club, budget etc but the way i feel at the moment its either stay up by the skin of our teeth grinding out ugly results or go down with a whimper playing nice football
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 01, 2016, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 12:18:15 PM
Yes unless you want the likes of Lambert,Sherwood,Phelan, Bradley, Pearson and even Moyes Pulis is better than them If there`s a big name from abroad who could come in i would reconsider but if not we have to stick

It's this kind of small time mentality that annoys me. Why can't we aim higher. Look at who the likes of Swansea and Southampton have attracted in the last few years. The managers / coaches are out there. We need to show some ambition and attract them here.

If Pulis started to become more positive in his approach, pick players in their correct positions and not just surrender games like the last 2 then people would cut him some slack. We are playing awful football and still not winning. Something has to give.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on November 01, 2016, 02:20:23 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on November 01, 2016, 01:59:08 PM
It's this kind of small time mentality that annoys me. Why can't we aim higher. Look at who the likes of Swansea and Southampton have attracted in the last few years. The managers / coaches are out there. We need to show some ambition and attract them here.

If Pulis started to become more positive in his approach, pick players in their correct positions and not just surrender games like the last 2 then people would cut him some slack. We are playing awful football and still not winning. Something has to give.

Totally agree.  If we fail to play Leko from the start of the upcoming games, then it's a disgrace IMO.  But the word coming from Pulis and Kemp is that he needs to "work on his end product".  When have James McClean or Matt Phillips had any end product?  He's 17 and old enough, which is the age that Giggs, Rooney, Bale, Owen, Fowler etc started.  With slow centre midfield options we just have to have pace wide.  Obviously Yacob and Chadli play DM and AM respectively, so to me your central midfielder is one of Morrison / Fletcher / Brunt.  I want to see us attack Leicester and have a go, it's a free swing in going for 3 points before the huge game v Burnley.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 01, 2016, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on November 01, 2016, 11:46:37 AM
Pulis the great is only 3 points from the bottom three, before Christmas we play 2 of the 4 teams that are below us... if we don't get a good run with a few wins we will be IN the bottom 3 come christmas (were only 2 losses away - if other results go against us too... would be 1 if it wasn't for hull letting in so many goals - luckily for us).

Be interesting to see if we can get more 'chadli's, rondon's and Evans' if we are in the drop come January, they would take ALOT of persuading.

How people can think we have any games we are certain to win obviously watch a different team to me, sunderland are sitting bottom with only 2 points and we gave them one of those!

The negative approach is going to put us right into sh*t street.

Not a Pulis fan by any stretch but if you look at it the other way we're also 3 points from a top 10 spot.
Fine margins.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 02:58:30 PM
Like to know where the small mentality comes from all the names i mentioned are a step back i`m like you and think we need a bigger name all i`m saying is we stick until we know until  we can get the right manager in. Were led to believe that the Villa and Wolves owners are richer than our owner [ i don`t know] and they hav`nt been able to entice a big name and neither did swan or hull so lets wait until the right man comes along.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 01, 2016, 03:02:14 PM
2 wins from 10, poor football, negative approach... whilst i agree with your comment and hope it goes that way, we will be dragged easier to the bottom than the top.

Pulis' attitude before a game is "were playing a very good team, they can do this and that, we need to try and stop them doing so" so i shall play a few average players, leave a few dangerous players who can punish teams on the bench (Leko has been a great example as he proved when he came on against city)... and go for the negative approach to try and scrape a point if were lucky.

I do believe if he plays the better players that we have available rather than players he likes personally, goes out there and gives it a go from the start instead of waiting til were a few goals down.... even if we lose, he will have a bit more respect from the fans.

I can deal with us losing and drawing even against a not so strong team and even lower league sides in the cups... providing he puts out a good team and actually tries.

Whilst he's playing players out of position, not giving players a fair chance, being so negative and still being walked all over for 90 mins whilst looking like a championship team at best.... that's where the problems are, that's where most people would rather have a person in charge who is going to give it a go regardless of the result or division we are in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
I agree with most of what you say adamw except for the part about which division were in it can be a downward spiral effect to drop out of the prem so i will put up with this brand of football while were still in the prem or and[ the sooner the better] the right Manager becomes .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 01, 2016, 03:44:59 PM
I understand what your saying and where you are coming from, but you have said yourself... dropping out the prem can be a downward spiral, unfortunately... many on here recently have made it clear that's where we seem to be heading. Whilst i hope they are all wrong including myself, until we start winning more games its hard to believe we are going to be safe come the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 01, 2016, 04:05:06 PM
If WBA stick with TP,  (which seems to be the plan) the fans have to suck up the style issue or vote with their feet (a personal choice).

If WBA twist,  (unlikely) we may
a) go down with an ageing squad and some kids with potential and a vastly reduced income stream, or,
b) we may stay up, maintain income but have a major squad rebuild required.

Its hard to present a rosy future over the next 12-18 months.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 01, 2016, 04:11:31 PM
Personally I think it will be business as usual for Pulis in regards to avoiding relegation. He may finish 15th or so but I don't feel he will go down. As ever with Pulis, it seems it's more down to there being 3 awful teams whereas Pulis is consistently better. For me this year I feel it will be the current bottom 3 who drop, whereas we will have enough craft to grind out the odd win/draw.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 01, 2016, 04:17:33 PM
You would hope that John Williams & Mr Lai have "all bases covered".

IMO opinion, WBA's future will continue to be evolutionary, as such,I'm not expecting too many Managerial changes in the near future. It looks as though John Williams & Tony Pulis have a better understanding now, but how we approach the January transfer window, will confirm or deny this.

As far as playing style is concerned, I agree, longer term, Mr Lai will want a more attractive style to present to a Chinese audience, but short term, it's the results that matter. Provided TP can produce a reasonable amount of positive results, I don't think he'll be going anywhere just yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 04:36:32 PM
Its a funny old world love him or hate him Mr Pulis certainly divides opinion even so it seems with his chairman, if he does stay and it seems like he will i hope the playing style changes so we can give it a right go against the lesser teams at least. Hopefully come January we can get 2 or 3 quality players in so we can show Mr Lai were in safe hands if not well thats for another day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 01, 2016, 04:55:58 PM
The only positive about Tony Pulis is now I don't mind if we win or lose. First time in my life. If losing hastens Pulis' departure, that's good for me.  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 01, 2016, 04:56:52 PM
Quote from: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 04:36:32 PM
Its a funny old world love him or hate him Mr Pulis certainly divides opinion even so it seems with his chairman, if he does stay and it seems like he will i hope the playing style changes so we can give it a right go against the lesser teams at least. Hopefully come January we can get 2 or 3 quality players in so we can show Mr Lai were in safe hands if not well thats for another day.

I think the main issue is that TP has been around for donkeys years but his style has never changed. He spent millions at Stoke and yet the style was still poor and never finished in the top 10. I don't see how people are expecting things to be any different here except he'll have less to spend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 01, 2016, 04:59:56 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on November 01, 2016, 04:56:52 PM
I think the main issue is that TP has been around for donkeys years but his style has never changed. He spent millions at Stoke and yet the style was still poor and never finished in the top 10. I don't see how people are expecting things to be any different here except he'll have less to spend.
Was his style poor at Palace? Just a question.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 01, 2016, 05:18:59 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 01, 2016, 04:59:56 PM
Was his style poor at Palace? Just a question.

I'm not too sure but their fans seemed to be split over him like ours are. He probably didn't have time to stamp his mark on them. We were much better to watch IMO when he first took over us. Since then we have declined despite now having an arguably stronger squad than what he inherited.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2016, 06:04:07 PM
I would imagine the split is 80/20 in favour of him to leave, most of the vote leavers :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 01, 2016, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 01, 2016, 04:17:33 PM
You would hope that John Williams & Mr Lai have "all bases covered".

IMO opinion, WBA's future will continue to be evolutionary, as such,I'm not expecting too many Managerial changes in the near future. It looks as though John Williams & Tony Pulis have a better understanding now, but how we approach the January transfer window, will confirm or deny this.

As far as playing style is concerned, I agree, longer term, Mr Lai will want a more attractive style to present to a Chinese audience, but short term, it's the results that matter. Provided TP can produce a reasonable amount of positive results, I don't think he'll be going anywhere just yet.
The short term should not last past the seasons end.the dinosaur keeps us up and wave him goodbye
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on November 01, 2016, 07:16:20 PM
22,000 at home to Man City, 2 wins in 20 games. I cant believe we have given him a new one year deal. I still think he could go before the end of the season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on November 01, 2016, 07:28:50 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 31, 2016, 10:26:52 AM
2 wins 2 draws 2 defeats, keeps the season ticking over.

oh yes - lets have keeping the season ticking over whilst boring us all witless the height of of our ambition, attendances below 20 k are just around the corner!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 02, 2016, 08:11:01 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 01, 2016, 04:59:56 PM
Was his style poor at Palace? Just a question.
He had to get wins there as, when he joined, they needed to get 37 points from 28 games to reach the usual safety target of 40 points. Having said that, after he joined in Nov 2013, in his first 20 league games they scored 14 goals and finished the season with 33 goals - the third lowest in the division.

Ultimately, though, apart from clutching at straws, why ask a question about an exception rather than the rule? He was manager at Palace for 28 games, whereas his second spell at Stoke was 333 games, and we all know how things were there. We also know how they've been during his 78 games with us.

According to Wikipedia, his win percentage with us is currently 29.49%. During his managerial career, the only win percentages he's had which have been worse than that were at Plymouth (28.95%), where he was manager for less than a full season, and his first managerial job at Bournemouth (28.18%).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 02, 2016, 11:28:31 AM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/11/01/jp-a-statistical-look-at-west-broms-best-premier-league-manager/

Interesting read. According to the article Pulis has the same game to goal ratio as Tony Mowbray in the premier league  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 02, 2016, 11:43:47 AM
Quote from: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 04:36:32 PM
Its a funny old world love him or hate him Mr Pulis certainly divides opinion even so it seems with his chairman, if he does stay and it seems like he will i hope the playing style changes so we can give it a right go against the lesser teams at least. Hopefully come January we can get 2 or 3 quality players in so we can show Mr Lai were in safe hands if not well thats for another day.
Some people can't or choose not to see it but we have played with more of a front foot style in certain games last year and this. I agree we now need to have a right go at lesser teams .....anyone outside of the obvious top 5 or 6 in fact, starting with Leicester on Sunday. At times we haven't had the players to be able to do that but if everyone stays fit we now have those players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 02, 2016, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on November 02, 2016, 11:28:31 AM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/11/01/jp-a-statistical-look-at-west-broms-best-premier-league-manager/

Interesting read. According to the article Pulis has the same game to goal ratio as Tony Mowbray in the premier league  :o

That should give you some indication as to where we are heading then
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on November 02, 2016, 12:15:37 PM
Quote from: Adder on November 02, 2016, 11:43:47 AM
Some people can't or choose not to see it but we have played with more of a front foot style in certain games last year and this. I agree we now need to have a right go at lesser teams .....anyone outside of the obvious top 5 or 6 in fact, starting with Leicester on Sunday. At times we haven't had the players to be able to do that but if everyone stays fit we now have those players.

Agree with that.  We definitely are going at it a bit more this season - I particularly like that we press the ball a lot further up the pitch lately.  It's a slow process though, too slow for some. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiesboots on November 02, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on November 02, 2016, 12:15:37 PM
Agree with that.  We definitely are going at it a bit more this season - I particularly like that we press the ball a lot further up the pitch lately.  It's a slow process though, too slow for some.
Totally agree, and like you say, I feel although we all would love to see us having a right go at other teams, we don't currently have a good enough midfield to drive us on, and then see out a game, as we have experienced recently.
Were not a club that will ever be splashing big cash around, and for all I don't like about what TP brings us, it'd be harsh to say he hasn't steadied us up, and bought in some better quality players than in our other recent PL history.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on November 02, 2016, 01:32:10 PM
I'd give him until the end of the season, which I think is our plan.  I asked for signs that we're improving between last season and this season football wise - and I think we're showing that. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 02, 2016, 01:35:28 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on November 02, 2016, 01:32:10 PM
I'd give him until the end of the season, which I think is our plan.  I asked for signs that we're improving between last season and this season football wise - and I think we're showing that.


sorry but i disagree. 2 shots on target in our last two games,Less points than this time last season. we set up exactly the same in all pre season games.if we dont get at least 4 points from the next 3 games hes toast
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on November 02, 2016, 01:40:12 PM
I think you're being unfair to go back to shots on target by counting just the last two games.  We've had more shots, and more attacking play (generally) in our games this season than we did last season. 

I understand about the points but you can't use *only* that as a metric at this point.  Otherwise early on in the season when we had more points than previous seasons we'd improved as a team.  Then we haven't improved.  Then we have improved again. 

Going by how the team plays, how we've tried to get forward, how we've pushed further forward up the pitch - we've clearly improved on last year.  To say we've gone backwards or stood still just plain wrong.  We may not have improved as much as we'd like, but there's no doubt we have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 02, 2016, 01:46:12 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on November 02, 2016, 12:15:37 PM
Agree with that.  We definitely are going at it a bit more this season - I particularly like that we press the ball a lot further up the pitch lately.  It's a slow process though, too slow for some.
sorry but that's not what we did against l,pool or m,city, we gave them the freedom of their own half and virtually had every albion player in our half of the pitch trying to make us compact and the pitch small hopefully leaving little space for the opposition to use. and it didn't work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 02, 2016, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 02, 2016, 01:35:28 PM

sorry but i disagree. 2 shots on target in our last two games,Less points than this time last season. we set up exactly the same in all pre season games.if we dont get at least 4 points from the next 3 games hes toast

Against the almost nailed on top two. Have a day off.

Quote from: caravanc58 on November 02, 2016, 01:46:12 PM
sorry but that's not what we did against l,pool or m,city, we gave them the freedom of their own half and virtually had every albion player in our half of the pitch trying to make us compact and the pitch small hopefully leaving little space for the opposition to use. and it didn't work.

City beat Barca last night... If only we'd pressed them more...  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on November 02, 2016, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 02, 2016, 01:46:12 PM
sorry but that's not what we did against l,pool or m,city, we gave them the freedom of their own half and virtually had every albion player in our half of the pitch trying to make us compact and the pitch small hopefully leaving little space for the opposition to use. and it didn't work.

But in other games we have - it's been really obvious to anyone watching that we've pressed the ball in the oppositions half a lot more.

Yeah, we didn't do great against the two best sides in the league - it doesn't negate my point that we've improved and showing <some> signs of progress.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 02, 2016, 03:47:44 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 02, 2016, 02:56:06 PM
Against the almost nailed on top two. Have a day off.

City beat Barca last night... If only we'd pressed them more...  :-X


what, the man city game was training ground football for them, yes we sure did have a day off
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 02, 2016, 08:25:27 PM
It's intriguing that Pulis supporters normally say that all that matters is the results and they don't care about the style of play used to achieve them. Yet, when they can't use results to back up their arguments (and, let's face it, 5 wins in the last 28 league games can't logically be claimed to be acceptable by even the most enthusiastic Pulis fan), suddenly trying to find improvements to the style of play becomes important to them in their eagerness to justify why he shouldn't be out on his ear!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on November 02, 2016, 08:36:03 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 02, 2016, 08:25:27 PM
It's intriguing that Pulis supporters normally say that all that matters is the results and they don't care about the style of play used to achieve them. Yet, when they can't use results to back up their arguments (and, let's face it, 5 wins in the last 28 league games can't logically be claimed to be acceptable by even the most enthusiastic Pulis fan), suddenly trying to find improvements to the style of play becomes important to them in their eagerness to justify why he shouldn't be out on his ear!

They are clutching at straws mate. Not too long ago we were 10th now we are 16th and 3 points above the relegation zone. Cant see any improvements at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on November 02, 2016, 08:43:47 PM
And where are all these expected clean sheets that we were led to believe would come with our Tone and his supposed tight defensive ship and tactical defensive nous. We're not seeing that many of them, are we really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 02, 2016, 08:44:37 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on November 02, 2016, 03:19:28 PM
But in other games we have - it's been really obvious to anyone watching that we've pressed the ball in the oppositions half a lot more.

Yeah, we didn't do great against the two best sides in the league - it doesn't negate my point that we've improved and showing <some> signs of progress.
in other games I agree we have , other teams used the opposite tactic to what we used against two very good sides , we should be pressing the  ball in the opposition half no matter who they are especially when we play at home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 02, 2016, 09:54:29 PM
People are quick to point out were only 3 points off the relegation places but don`t mention were only 3 points off 9th place it works both ways but then a lot of these so called fans want us relegated so they only look at the downside.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 02, 2016, 10:39:59 PM
I'm bemused as to why anyone can think there has been any significant change in our style of play. Results have been mediocre since March and current  form is marginally ahead of relegation form.

In general I don't buy "the three games to save his job" nonsense often peddled by the tabloids. Club owners either have faith in their Head Coach or they don't and a short sequence of results shouldn't have a fundamental impact on that relationship either way but we are edging into that territory.

Pulis needs a result and soon otherwise he will be heading towards the exit based almost entirely on results the one thing that he is supposed to be good at getting. Yes we are 3 points adrift of 9th and 3 points ahead of 18th but on current form I would offer long odds on us closing in on 9th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 02, 2016, 10:45:37 PM
Quote from: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 12:18:15 PM
Yes unless you want the likes of Lambert,Sherwood,Phelan, Bradley, Pearson and even Moyes Pulis is better than them If there`s a big name from abroad who could come in i would reconsider but if not we have to stick

Rangnick,villas boas,Wagner,viera,overmars,hughton,mcinnes,rowwett

There's people out there..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 02, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 02, 2016, 08:25:27 PM
It's intriguing that Pulis supporters normally say that all that matters is the results and they don't care about the style of play used to achieve them. Yet, when they can't use results to back up their arguments (and, let's face it, 5 wins in the last 28 league games can't logically be claimed to be acceptable by even the most enthusiastic Pulis fan), suddenly trying to find improvements to the style of play becomes important to them in their eagerness to justify why he shouldn't be out on his ear!
I'm a mild Pulis supporter and have never said that results are all that matters....I didn't want him as manager in the first place but find myself sticking up for him quite a bit. I'm more than a bit puzzled how some people say the style has never changed since his Stoke days...as though we play the same way every single game...we don't ...and we are nowhere near the level of ugliness of the peak of his Stoke days. He may end up out on his ear in a couple of months time but I'll continue to judge the performance on a match by match basis not on some set idea of what Pulis teams play like (as much of the media do).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 03, 2016, 12:00:38 AM
He used to pick up occasional points.
We are now struggling.
He has to change his style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on November 03, 2016, 04:58:02 AM
Quote from: wba13 on November 02, 2016, 09:54:29 PM
People are quick to point out were only 3 points off the relegation places but don`t mention were only 3 points off 9th place it works both ways but then a lot of these so called fans want us relegated so they only look at the downside.

I certainly don't want us relegated!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 03, 2016, 08:15:40 AM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on November 02, 2016, 10:45:37 PM
Rangnick,villas boas,Wagner,viera,overmars,hughton,mcinnes,rowwett

There's people out there..

You cant be serious with some of the names on that list surely?

Rangnick hasnt really managed since 2012 (short stint as manager of RB last year), Vieira wouldnt even be mentioned if it wasnt for his name. Overmars has never even managed a team, Hughton would get the same reaction as Irvine.

McInnes and Rowett have zero experience in the premier league.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on November 03, 2016, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 02, 2016, 08:25:27 PM
It's intriguing that Pulis supporters normally say that all that matters is the results and they don't care about the style of play used to achieve them. Yet, when they can't use results to back up their arguments (and, let's face it, 5 wins in the last 28 league games can't logically be claimed to be acceptable by even the most enthusiastic Pulis fan), suddenly trying to find improvements to the style of play becomes important to them in their eagerness to justify why he shouldn't be out on his ear!

It's points that matter at the end of the day, not wins.  5 wins from 28 isn't good enough but there was the "on holiday" period at the end of last season.  That was also disappointing as I don't think we should have taken the foot off the gas like we did.

You seem to be taking disagreement with meaning that some of us think that everything is rosy.  It isn't.  We need to go at teams more, especially anyone outside of the top 4-5.  We need to start putting together some results before we're dragged too far into the relegation battle.

What IS intriguing is that even when fans ask for something and they get it they're still not happy.

When we had a really poor run of games with no shots at all.  "We just want shots".
Then when we had shots but not many on target.  "We want shots on target".
Then when we had shots on target but no goals. "We need to score more".
When we score and still lose.  "We need better performances".
When we have better performances.  "We need to get more wins".

Then any time there's a poor performance (and there's been several) it's back to "we're all dooomed".

It's also intriguing that some anti-Pulis fans are now saying it IS points that matter after all.  It works both ways this.

Anyway, last season I said I wanted to see us improve as a team, that means performances and points if possible.  Put it this way...

Same points total to last year and we played nicer football = Progress.
More points than last year and similar football = Progress.
Same\Less points than last year and similar football = No Progress.
Relegation = No Progress.

I'm happy seeing us progress.  Performance wise I think we have, points wise I'll judge at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 03, 2016, 09:31:47 AM
How anyone can say that we've progressed this season is beyond me. The only difference is that we have a decent player in Chadli. Let's face it with him added to the side you'd see slightly better performances even with me in charge! The approach to games is still the same and the football horrible to watch in the main. We are not getting results (worse start than under Clarke and Irvine) and the clean sheets have dried up. Other than that things are great.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 03, 2016, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: wba13 on November 02, 2016, 09:54:29 PM
People are quick to point out were only 3 points off the relegation places but don`t mention were only 3 points off 9th place it works both ways but then a lot of these so called fans want us relegated so they only look at the downside.

Alot of these so called fans have also saw no evidence to believe that we are improving like others belive we are.

Going on form for THIS season only so far we have more chance ending up in relegation than we do ending up 9th.

It's called being realistic, no one wants to see us relegated but ALOT of people have realised that both the football AND results are poor.

If we were playing poor and grinding out results then fair enough but we ain't.

We might have played "the best 2 in the league" as people keep banging on on about... but we all saw at man city that if he actually chose the correct players and actually got the team to try... we can string 2 passes together and actually get the ball in their half.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on November 03, 2016, 09:42:51 AM
I think John Wile's comments sums my position up.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/11/03/john-wile-new-tony-pulis-contract-makes-sense-for-west-brom/

That there is a middle ground.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 03, 2016, 09:43:16 AM
My guess is if we dont get at least 4 points from the next three his position will become undefendable but oh hang on here lets remember he must be god to get away with it so far
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on November 03, 2016, 09:45:57 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 03, 2016, 09:43:16 AM
My guess is if we dont get at least 4 points from the next three his position will become undefendable but oh hang on here lets remember he must be god to get away with it so far

I wouldn't put a points total that we need in the next three, but if we don't pick up results soon then quite rightly he'll be trouble.

It's possible to think that some of the criticism of Pulis is a bit harsh without thinking that he's a god you know? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 03, 2016, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 02, 2016, 02:56:06 PM
Against the almost nailed on top two. Have a day off.

City beat Barca last night... If only we'd pressed them more...  :-X

The irony being that City beat Barca because they pressed them high up the pitch and forced them into making mistakes.

Playing 6 defenders and sticking 10 men behind the ball leads only to defeat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 03, 2016, 09:52:43 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on November 03, 2016, 08:15:40 AM
You cant be serious with some of the names on that list surely?

Rangnick hasnt really managed since 2012 (short stint as manager of RB last year), Vieira wouldnt even be mentioned if it wasnt for his name. Overmars has never even managed a team, Hughton would get the same reaction as Irvine.

McInnes and Rowett have zero experience in the premier league.

Frank_de_Boer
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on November 03, 2016, 09:58:55 AM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on November 03, 2016, 09:47:15 AM
The irony being that City beat Barca because they pressed them high up the pitch and forced them into making mistakes.

Playing 6 defenders and sticking 10 men behind the ball leads only to defeat.

To be honest, it wouldn't matter how we approached the game if we'd have lost.  In the past we've sat back and kept it tight and got all 3 points.  It didn't work against City\Liverpool.  If we'd have pressed high up the pitch and lost then we'd have been just as critical.  I hope we take the (few) positives from those games going forward though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 03, 2016, 10:01:32 AM
Hes certainly under a little more pressure over the next 3 games to push the boat out a little more
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 03, 2016, 10:12:22 AM
I still think Pulis will stay for the a while a least There are only 2 managers of real quality out there Frank De Boar and Mancini and i doubt they would come to the black country So it looks like we would have to poach a manager that won`t happen so we`ll stick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 03, 2016, 10:30:54 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on November 03, 2016, 09:42:51 AM
I think John Wile's comments sums my position up.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/11/03/john-wile-new-tony-pulis-contract-makes-sense-for-west-brom/

That there is a middle ground.

One of the things it will demonstrate is TP's adaptability. He has a reputation for being rigid, to the point of being specific on the type of player he wants. John Wile's suggestion will take Pulis out of his "comfort zone", I'm not sure he's that adaptable.

The point that Smethwickw made about the clean sheets drying up is also worrying, even the organised defence argument is starting to wear a bit thin now. On Saturday with Jonas in there we looked anything but organised until Johnny Evans came back into defence.

I think the January transfer window, will tell us lots about where we're going.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 03, 2016, 10:36:16 AM
Quote from: wba13 on November 02, 2016, 09:54:29 PM
People are quick to point out were only 3 points off the relegation places but don`t mention were only 3 points off 9th place it works both ways but then a lot of these so called fans want us relegated so they only look at the downside.

3 points from RELEGATION, 3 points from 9th

Hardly comparable possibilities.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 03, 2016, 10:40:00 AM
Quote from: wba13 on November 03, 2016, 10:12:22 AM
I still think Pulis will stay for the a while a least There are only 2 managers of real quality out there Frank De Boar and Mancini and i doubt they would come to the black country So it looks like we would have to poach a manager that won`t happen so we`ll stick.

I wouldn't limit us to anybody. As things stand, we don't know what the owner is thinking, or what resources he has. (If you want to have an insight into the Chinese thinking, follow Professor Chadwick on twitter).
I would think coming to the Black Country would be well down the list, in priorities, of any head coach we employed, the chance of coaching in the Premier League would be very appealing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 03, 2016, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on November 03, 2016, 09:25:51 AM
It's points that matter at the end of the day, not wins.  5 wins from 28 isn't good enough but there was the "on holiday" period at the end of last season.  That was also disappointing as I don't think we should have taken the foot off the gas like we did.

You seem to be taking disagreement with meaning that some of us think that everything is rosy.  It isn't.  We need to go at teams more, especially anyone outside of the top 4-5.  We need to start putting together some results before we're dragged too far into the relegation battle.

What IS intriguing is that even when fans ask for something and they get it they're still not happy.

When we had a really poor run of games with no shots at all.  "We just want shots".
Then when we had shots but not many on target.  "We want shots on target".
Then when we had shots on target but no goals. "We need to score more".
When we score and still lose.  "We need better performances".
When we have better performances.  "We need to get more wins".

Then any time there's a poor performance (and there's been several) it's back to "we're all dooomed".

It's also intriguing that some anti-Pulis fans are now saying it IS points that matter after all.  It works both ways this.

Anyway, last season I said I wanted to see us improve as a team, that means performances and points if possible.  Put it this way...

Same points total to last year and we played nicer football = Progress.
More points than last year and similar football = Progress.
Same\Less points than last year and similar football = No Progress.
Relegation = No Progress.

I'm happy seeing us progress.  Performance wise I think we have, points wise I'll judge at the end of the season.

We've got fewer points than this time last season, we're definitely getting worse. Performance wise there's been little change. There has been no progress, quite the opposite.

I think your argument about people moving the goalposts isn't quite right. No one "just wants some shots", people were using that as a metric to show how poor we were/are. Everyone wants to see goals and wins and the facts show that we're struggling in both respects. We've scored 10 goals in 10 games and 4 of those came against one of the worst defensive performances I've ever seen. We've also only scored and still lost twice this season, most recently against Liverpool when we let them do what they wanted for 80 minutes before actually trying for the last 10.

We're getting worse and I have no faith in Pulis to fix it. Nothing in his career has shown he has that ability, so I'd rather we didn't waste time letting him drag us and our reputation down further.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on November 03, 2016, 10:59:45 AM
We are getting worse I don't think anyone can disagree on that. Also Ive been thinking last night the mark of a good manager is changing the game from the bench with subs or changing tactics, when was the last time Pulis did that or has he ever? It's plan A and after that nothing, I admit sometimes A works but if it doesn't we lose or try and hold on for 0-0. I remember a few seasons ago when we were 2 up against Villa and Lambert changed the game from the  bench while Clarke just looked into space. Pulis can surely see what anyone with eyes can see so why is he so pigheaded, Matt E Phillips and Fletcher should have been taken out of the starting line up weeks ago, we must be the easiest team in the world to scout... Boring and predictable in selection formation tactics ans substitutions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 03, 2016, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on November 03, 2016, 09:47:15 AM
The irony being that City beat Barca because they pressed them high up the pitch and forced them into making mistakes.

Playing 6 defenders and sticking 10 men behind the ball leads only to defeat.
Effectively we always play 6 defenders....Evans is a more constructive DM than Yacob is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 03, 2016, 04:47:58 PM
I think the main problem for TP this season is his severe lack of clean sheets, it's what he prides himself on and is the backbone to his success. In his first season we had the most clean sheets in the league, joint with winners Chelsea which was a ridiculous achievement considering we had players like Chris Baird involved and no Jonny Evans.

We then lost a few more clean sheets last season, but overall we were still fairly safe throughout the campaign and still had a decent goals-conceded record. This season it just hasn't happened, even in our one win we conceded 2 goals.
Basically Pulis needs to sort it out otherwise he will eventually be sacked. The same thing happened with Stoke. I don't think it was so much his performances got worse as a viewing spectacle but more so his cleansheets dried up at Stoke and they worsened as a result.

It's odd, and maybe I'm seeing things with rose-tinted glasses but I seem to remember his football was at its best with us in his first half-season where the defence was genuinely impressive whilst we had just enough to get the goals up front as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 03, 2016, 05:12:49 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 03, 2016, 10:36:16 AM
3 points from RELEGATION, 3 points from 9th

Hardly comparable possibilities.

What? Who gets relegated in November?

We're 3 points off 18th and 3 points off 9th. Not 3 points off relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 03, 2016, 06:29:54 PM
I think performance overall have been better. The only awful game for both halves I recall was the Middlesbrough 0-0 game. We had some dreadful half of football (Bournemouth/Man City/Liverpool 1st half's really stick out to me maybe the EFL cup game but I didn't watch it) but usually follow up with a much better 2nd half after adjustments.

Like Man City was the worst result of the season but the second half made the game more enjoyable. (I know people will respond with his initial plans aren't working which is true but he does make adjustments which tend to work out lately). Can't say the players have given up on him because the team still tried hard down 2-0 against top sides like Liverpool and Man City.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2016, 08:25:27 AM
well if our performances have improved which i cant see then every other teams have too. Last time i looked we are performing worse than last season results wise, its like Brexit some still cling on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 04, 2016, 08:38:12 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2016, 08:25:27 AM
well if our performances have improved which i cant see then every other teams have too. Last time i looked we are performing worse than last season results wise, its like Brexit some still cling on

How fickle we are - two wins back to back and we will be talking about Europe......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2016, 08:43:31 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 04, 2016, 08:38:12 AM
How fickle we are - two wins back to back and we will be talking about Europe......

and where are they coming from then
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 04, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2016, 08:43:31 AM
and where are they coming from then

No idea whatsoever!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2016, 08:46:29 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 04, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
No idea whatsoever!


me neither, after mustering five wins all year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 04, 2016, 08:58:37 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 04, 2016, 08:38:12 AM
How fickle we are - two wins back to back and we will be talking about Europe......
If we were to beat Leicester and Burnley, I think, zero people, will use that as a base for a European dream.

If we lose the next 2 though, we will certainly be talking about relegation.

The facts are plain to see, we are nearer the bottom than the top and our current form is terrible, both from a points and performance standpoint. Pulis needs to grow a pair and start trying to win games.

Chadli is out and Leko impressed against City, so should be a no-brainer. Will he have the guts though? ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 04, 2016, 09:12:44 AM
The next three games are pivotal. Plainly 9 points from them and the debate about Pulis' future is over for the time being lose all three and it has to be in real doubt. Pulis has a track record of grinding out results when he needs them so I suspect he'll get the bare minimum to survive which by my reckoning is 4 points.

If as his supporters claim there is a new dawn of modern free flowing Pulisball then his team selections will be instructive. Leko in Fletcher out being the two obvious steps down that path. Obviously Chadli and McClean being out against Leicester muddies the waters but against Burnley at home assuming all are fit and available I would expect to see the new model Pulisball in full swing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 04, 2016, 09:50:39 AM
"work hard/worked hard/we need hard work"

if i hear that phrase again from him i will snap  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 04, 2016, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 03, 2016, 05:12:49 PM
What? Who gets relegated in November?

We're 3 points off 18th and 3 points off 9th. Not 3 points off relegation.

i'll just point out that the quote wasn't mine, i was also questioning its relevance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 04, 2016, 11:35:50 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 04, 2016, 08:38:12 AM
How fickle we are - two wins back to back and we will be talking about Europe......
I'm not sure how you can reasonably talk about those who would like Pulis out being fickle when our record is 5 wins in 28 league games, going back to January 13th at which time we had 27 points, so far from an already safe position that some are trying to portray we were in when this pathetic run started. In order to get to 27 points by the same stage this season, we'll need 17 points from the next 11 games, which includes fixtures against Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs, so it's not looking very likely at this point in time is it?

For my part I didn't want Pulis here when he came and nothing has happened since then to make me change my mind. I utterly refute the notion that there's no-one else who would be capable of keeping us up with a style of football that's more pleasing on the eye. That doesn't mean going for all-out attack either - that isn't the only alternative to dour negativity. I'm also confident that someone else could have made much more effective use of the 4 transfer windows that Pulis has had.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on November 04, 2016, 01:12:33 PM
To me the 3 matches after Leicester (A) are pivotal.  These fixtures are: Burnley (H), Hull (A), Watford (H).  We have to get a decent haul of points to keep belief and confidence intact. 

Surely we need to take the game to the opposition and not sit back waiting?  That means having some pace and energy through midfield.  I don't see much hope at Leicester without Chadli and McClean, I see us going there to nullify them with terribly slow personnel (Leko would help).

Pulis hasn't done himself many favours in the last 3 transfer windows going back to Summer 2015, despite the financial constraints of the Board.       
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 04, 2016, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 04, 2016, 11:35:50 AM
I'm not sure how you can reasonably talk about those who would like Pulis out being fickle when our record is 5 wins in 28 league games, going back to January 13th at which time we had 27 points, so far from an already safe position that some are trying to portray we were in when this pathetic run started. In order to get to 27 points by the same stage this season, we'll need 17 points from the next 11 games, which includes fixtures against Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs, so it's not looking very likely at this point in time is it?

For my part I didn't want Pulis here when he came and nothing has happened since then to make me change my mind. I utterly refute the notion that there's no-one else who would be capable of keeping us up with a style of football that's more pleasing on the eye. That doesn't mean going for all-out attack either - that isn't the only alternative to dour negativity. I'm also confident that someone else could have made much more effective use of the 4 transfer windows that Pulis has had.

It was a tongue in cheek comment Worcs.

I know how poor we are but suppose, just suppose we get 9 points and good performances from those three 'easy' games and we are troubling 8th position, whether you like it or not there will be talk of Europe.....

However, its all academic anyway as it ain't going to happen!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on November 04, 2016, 05:10:28 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on November 04, 2016, 01:12:33 PM
To me the 3 matches after Leicester (A) are pivotal.  These fixtures are: Burnley (H), Hull (A), Watford (H).  We have to get a decent haul of points to keep belief and confidence intact. 

Surely we need to take the game to the opposition and not sit back waiting?  That means having some pace and energy through midfield.  I don't see much hope at Leicester without Chadli and McClean, I see us going there to nullify them with terribly slow personnel (Leko would help).

Pulis hasn't done himself many favours in the last 3 transfer windows going back to Summer 2015, despite the financial constraints of the Board.     

And this is how Pulis is losing more support with each passing game. It just seems that the more we lose, the more defensive he goes even though at times that clearly isn't the solution.

Jonny Evans in midfield should never have happened last week and no doubt on Sunday we have a 9 man backline and invite a load of pressure.

I have been satisfied with Pulis on the whole but despite some comments, I think he's at one of his most negative stages in terms of style of football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 04, 2016, 07:44:49 PM
Just watched his press conference. Talk about being flippant, something's definitely not right.

Says he's sent Saido to France to see someone he (Pulis) worked with 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 04, 2016, 08:15:29 PM
I honestly didn't think he came across as flippant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 04, 2016, 08:21:52 PM
Managers must dread these pre-match press conferences....just the repetitiveness of it. They have to say enough without being controversial. Lots of managers no doubt sound boring to their own fans...Pulis is less boring than some of his recent predecessors but no doubts wishes he was elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 04, 2016, 08:44:20 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on November 03, 2016, 08:15:40 AM
You cant be serious with some of the names on that list surely?

Rangnick hasnt really managed since 2012 (short stint as manager of RB last year), Vieira wouldnt even be mentioned if it wasnt for his name. Overmars has never even managed a team, Hughton would get the same reaction as Irvine.

McInnes and Rowett have zero experience in the premier league.
Well that's that then
Pepe Mel had no experience in the prem but some still love him
You mention Irvine , I'd take all of the above first
Wenger had no prem experience, nor pocchetion,nor the guy currently at saints

Although mourinho has plenty, then spends 96m on a dud and how are they doing?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 04, 2016, 09:36:19 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on November 03, 2016, 10:59:45 AM
We are getting worse I don't think anyone can disagree on that. Also Ive been thinking last night the mark of a good manager is changing the game from the bench with subs or changing tactics, when was the last time Pulis did that or has he ever? It's plan A and after that nothing, I admit sometimes A works but if it doesn't we lose or try and hold on for 0-0. I remember a few seasons ago when we were 2 up against Villa and Lambert changed the game from the  bench while Clarke just looked into space. Pulis can surely see what anyone with eyes can see so why is he so pigheaded, Matt E Phillips and Fletcher should have been taken out of the starting line up weeks ago, we must be the easiest team in the world to scout... Boring and predictable in selection formation tactics ans substitutions.
Dear me ....is a game between Lambert's Villa and Clarke's Albion relevant ? For what it's worth Villa were able to bring on Delph and Agbon in that game. Our bench has been short of threat since we had Lukaku champing at the bit from the bench.
Phillips out of the team weeks ago ?  well he's been at the club for 10 league games in total. Last week Pulis brings Leko on ...would you have preferred someone else ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on November 05, 2016, 08:33:17 AM
Quote from: Adder on November 04, 2016, 09:36:19 PM
Dear me ....is a game between Lambert's Villa and Clarke's Albion relevant ? For what it's worth Villa were able to bring on Delph and Agbon in that game. Our bench has been short of threat since we had Lukaku champing at the bit from the bench.
Phillips out of the team weeks ago ?  well he's been at the club for 10 league games in total. Last week Pulis brings Leko on ...would you have preferred someone else ?
I was just using the Villa game as an example as it still pains me as I'm sure it does anyone who was there that night. Can you or anybody else name a game where Pulis has changed from the bench and we've gone on and won? Not 'got at 'em' or 'had a good go' I mean won the game from inspired decisions and tactical nous?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 05, 2016, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on November 05, 2016, 08:33:17 AM
I was just using the Villa game as an example as it still pains me as I'm sure it does anyone who was there that night. Can you or anybody else name a game where Pulis has changed from the bench and we've gone on and won? Not 'got at 'em' or 'had a good go' I mean won the game from inspired decisions and tactical nous?
I'm struggling ...but I would struggle with previous managers also...except for the Lukaku effect. Having Lukaku, Odemwingie and Long (like him or loath him) did give us options. We have been woefully short in squad strength and until Pulis came in we have had either one genuine winger or none at all. We now have a semblance of a squad which gives a semblance of options from the bench....HRK is currently the only striker option though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 05, 2016, 09:01:32 AM
Just watching Gerry Taggart on Sky's fantasy football programme and he talked about Pulis extending his playing career by allowing him to train less as he knew his body was not up for it.
Any of that going on here do you think?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2016, 09:24:34 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on November 05, 2016, 08:33:17 AM
I was just using the Villa game as an example as it still pains me as I'm sure it does anyone who was there that night. Can you or anybody else name a game where Pulis has changed from the bench and we've gone on and won? Not 'got at 'em' or 'had a good go' I mean won the game from inspired decisions and tactical nous?
Arsenal at home last season .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on November 05, 2016, 09:42:53 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on November 05, 2016, 09:01:32 AM
Just watching Gerry Taggart on Sky's fantasy football programme and he talked about Pulis extending his playing career by allowing him to train less as he knew his body was not up for it.
Any of that going on here do you think?

I know Foster doesn't train as many days as the other players, think he mentioned it in a post match interview recently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on November 05, 2016, 09:50:42 AM
Quote from: Dexy on November 05, 2016, 09:24:34 AM
Arsenal at home last season .
not sure he influenced much from the bench in that game weren't all the goals scored in the first half including the own goal? It was a great result and probably my favourite game of the season as I've several Arsenal friends but we only had one shot on target and the cheat missed a penalty it was daylight robbery..... Which made it funnier for me but hardly a tactical masterclass
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 05, 2016, 10:05:51 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on November 05, 2016, 09:01:32 AM
Just watching Gerry Taggart on Sky's fantasy football programme and he talked about Pulis extending his playing career by allowing him to train less as he knew his body was not up for it.
Any of that going on here do you think?
They were tailoring Lescott's training. It could be happening with the likes of GMac and Fletcher but not sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 05, 2016, 10:58:01 AM
Love him or hate him i still admire him watch him talking about Mr Lai on Sky Sports.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2016, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on November 05, 2016, 09:50:42 AM
not sure he influenced much from the bench in that game weren't all the goals scored in the first half including the own goal? It was a great result and probably my favourite game of the season as I've several Arsenal friends but we only had one shot on target and the cheat missed a penalty it was daylight robbery..... Which made it funnier for me but hardly a tactical masterclass
1-0 down he switched Morrison in a more forward role , there little to choose so will let Pulis have that one. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2016, 04:56:11 PM
Pressure on you tomorrow Tone, just goes to show if you have a go at Man City eh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2016, 04:58:55 PM
What more wording proof do we need. Burnley, the mighty big spending Burnley have 14 points and Boro today took the game to City in the 2nd half and guess what, they grab a point.

Without playing a game, my hate for Tony Useless has grown even more.

#PulisOut
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on November 05, 2016, 05:04:02 PM
Will today's results mean Mr Gutless will have a go against Leicester tomorrow?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on November 05, 2016, 05:06:02 PM
Let's see. He said we would be very different tomorrow so I'm prepared to see what he does. I feel another non performance and with it being the international break if we are to make a change it would be a good time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2016, 05:08:53 PM
17th, absolutely shocking. Take note Mr Lai, you need to protect your 200 millions and your Chinese market
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on November 05, 2016, 05:11:08 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2016, 05:08:53 PM
17th, absolutely shocking.
dont worry as we keep hearing pulis guarantees you premier league football!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 05, 2016, 05:19:10 PM
As I said in another thread, two big winnable games coming up for both manager and club.

If we have failed to win either by the time the final whistle goes against the Clarets then I dread to thing what the Hawthorns will be like and I reckon the tide will finally turn against TP if it hasn't already.
 Sh8te football, not winning football and relegation fodder must equal the end game ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 05, 2016, 05:46:37 PM
Not sure why people are pointing at the Middlesbrough result where they played exactly like we plan to against Man City. Or did we all forget how much better West Brom played in the 2nd half vs City?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on November 05, 2016, 06:05:42 PM
i will feel the same.......time he went !! Am convinced less than 3 points against Burnley and Hull and he will be another ex manager/head coach
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 05, 2016, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on November 05, 2016, 05:46:37 PM
Not sure why people are pointing at the Middlesbrough result where they played exactly like we plan to against Man City. Or did we all forget how much better West Brom played in the 2nd half vs City?

Second half the game was already over and Citeh eased off - we never even tried to give them a game first half.

Now, Boro go to their place and have a go and get a result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 05, 2016, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on November 05, 2016, 06:06:56 PM
Second half the game was already over and Citeh eased off - we never even tried to give them a game first half.

Now, Boro go to their place and have a go and get a result.

Right but Boro wasn't trying to give them a game in the first half. Only difference is City couldn't convert on great chances and if City is on form we will lose anyways.

Boro had 29% possession and 5 shots vs Man City's 71% possession and 25 shots. Exactly the same team mindset TP had vs them but the difference only is City wasn't clinical.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 05, 2016, 06:39:35 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on November 05, 2016, 06:35:54 PM
Right but Boro wasn't trying to give them a game in the first half. Only difference is City couldn't convert on great chances and if City is on form we will lose anyways.

Boro had 29% possession and 5 shots vs Man City's 71% possession and 25 shots. Exactly the same team mindset TP had vs them but the difference only is City wasn't clinical.

and we were the home team facing a Citeh team on a poor run............no excuse for that first half last week (same as against Spuds and Liverpool).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2016, 06:40:33 PM
Clutching at straws some in defence of the dinasour
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2016, 06:47:54 PM
league table looks a tad worrying tonight, we need points soon so over to you mr Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 05, 2016, 07:02:54 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2016, 06:40:33 PM
Clutching at straws some in defence of the dinasour

It's more like I'm not sure how in 1 breath you can criticize Tony's plan vs City and then praise Karanka plan against City when they were the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on November 05, 2016, 07:05:56 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on November 05, 2016, 07:02:54 PM
It's more like I'm not sure how in 1 breath you can criticize Tony's plan vs City and then praise Karanka plan against City when they were the same.

Boro were away. We were at home
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 05, 2016, 07:30:07 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on November 05, 2016, 07:05:56 PM
Boro were away. We were at home

Do you think Boro would have played much differently at home vs City?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 05, 2016, 07:55:50 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on November 05, 2016, 07:30:07 PM
Do you think Boro would have played much differently at home vs City?

Well it's clear that Boro did it much better than we were able to which is poor from a coach with a reputation for being a "defensive master". If he can't even organise that, what else has he got in his locker? It wasn't just City being less clinical, they carved us open with embarrassing ease. Also, Boro have shown a willingness and ability to be more attacking when suitable, which we haven't demonstrated with any consistency since he arrived.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2016, 09:01:01 PM
Aguero missed 3 simple/clear cut chances today, I watched the game. If losing to Man City has become a stick to beat a manager with then Luis Enrique had best watch his back...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on November 05, 2016, 09:21:21 PM
At the end of the day we are currently 17th. If we win tomorow we climb a few spaces. If not we enter the international break 1 position above the drop zone.
Despite signing a new contract he must be under pressure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2016, 10:26:42 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on November 05, 2016, 09:21:21 PM
At the end of the day we are currently 17th. If we win tomorow we climb a few spaces. If not we enter the international break 1 position above the drop zone.
Despite signing a new contract he must be under pressure.

Perversely at this stage of the season the league position doesn't really matter, it's about the points, and until we fall below 1 point per game for a sustained 4 or 5 match period then it's pointless talking about change. If Pulis does fall below the magic 1 point ratio then even his most ardent supporters can have no qualms if a change is made... I would however dread our hierarchy finding a decent replacement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on November 06, 2016, 12:06:57 AM
QPR sacked Hasselbaink this evening.  TP was alleged a target a couple of months back. Will be interesting to see if they still want him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 06, 2016, 12:57:22 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on November 06, 2016, 12:06:57 AM
QPR sacked Hasselbaink this evening.  TP was alleged a target a couple of months back. Will be interesting to see if they still want him


Fingers and toes crossed they do
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on November 06, 2016, 01:10:48 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2016, 10:26:42 PM
Perversely at this stage of the season the league position doesn't really matter, it's about the points, and until we fall below 1 point per game for a sustained 4 or 5 match period then it's pointless talking about change. If Pulis does fall below the magic 1 point ratio then even his most ardent supporters can have no qualms if a change is made... I would however dread our hierarchy finding a decent replacement.

We only have more points than 3 teams below us though. So in terms of points we aren't doing that well. I agree with the appointment but maybe John Williams will do a better job than Peace...here's hoping.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 06, 2016, 06:39:48 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on November 06, 2016, 12:06:57 AM
QPR sacked Hasselbaink this evening.  TP was alleged a target a couple of months back. Will be interesting to see if they still want him

That jobs tailor mate for Tiny Tim, I think his big buddy Les Ferdinand is still there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 06, 2016, 08:47:43 AM
It isn't results against the likes of City that will define our season so I'm not sure why so many are so focused on that one. Look back to games against Stoke and Sunderland away who were at their lowest ebb and we probably needed to win one of them then we can look forward to the games against the likes of Burnley, Hull, Swansea and Watford coming up before Christmas where we need to be taking a decent points haul from especially as three of the games are at home, they are the fixtures he should be judged on in my view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 06, 2016, 09:02:58 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2016, 10:26:42 PM
Perversely at this stage of the season the league position doesn't really matter, it's about the points
In which case, why were you crowing about it on October 15th - "we're 10th and unbeaten in our last 4 matches"? Now that we're 17th, suddenly you're saying it doesn't matter! Our current run is now no wins in 5, so you're starting to run short of things to praise him for.

I haven't actually castigated him from a league position perspective, just his dismal, defensive approach and our abysmal current league win rate of less than 1 win every 5 games over the past 28 matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 06, 2016, 10:18:40 AM
This feels like a pivotal time for him. No one surely can argue that our performances are for the most part simply not good enough.
And the thing with international breaks is, wherever we are in the table at that point, we will be staring at that position for two weeks. If it's not a good one the frustration builds.

I don't think TP will take us down. I think if it's headed too far that way he will jump ship and leave it to the next guy to finish the job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 06, 2016, 10:35:59 AM
I have never criticised Pulis for his ability to grind out results. I am not sure there is a coach that we could hire that would make us immune from a 4:0 thrashing when we run into one of the title contenders at the top of their game and even better sides than us take an occasional walloping like Everton did at Chelsea which doesn't make them a bad side nor Koeman a bad coach.

The criticism  is the overarching negativity almost regardless of opposition and this is what caps what he/we can achieve. Taking the two fixtures against Stoke and Sunderland I cannot help think we left at least a point on the table which would make our league position look a little bit more comfortable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 06, 2016, 02:21:29 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 06, 2016, 09:02:58 AM
In which case, why were you crowing about it on October 15th - "we're 10th and unbeaten in our last 4 matches"? Now that we're 17th, suddenly you're saying it doesn't matter! Our current run is now no wins in 5, so you're starting to run short of things to praise him for.

I haven't actually castigated him from a league position perspective, just his dismal, defensive approach and our abysmal current league win rate of less than 1 win every 5 games over the past 28 matches.

Hardly crowing as usual you have totally neglected context. I answered  the question 'why is he still in charge?' with a one sentence post.

If you read my post properly it's highlighting the scenario for a change. We're still not there yet.

Also no one mentioned you mate I was quoting another poster.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 06, 2016, 03:53:41 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2016, 05:08:53 PM
17th, absolutely shocking. Take note Mr Lai, you need to protect your 200 millions and your Chinese market

I really don't thank Mr Lai or his cronies know anything about football. New contracts for both Gardner and Pulis already under his regime.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 06, 2016, 04:03:22 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 06, 2016, 10:18:40 AM
This feels like a pivotal time for him. No one surely can argue that our performances are for the most part simply not good enough.
And the thing with international breaks is, wherever we are in the table at that point, we will be staring at that position for two weeks. If it's not a good one the frustration builds.

I don't think TP will take us down. I think if it's headed too far that way he will jump ship and leave it to the next guy to finish the job.

I agree with this. Usually the tag with Tony Pulis is "Bad football but effective" which is true in regards to avoiding relegation. Lose today and we could be level with 18th on points, so whatever way you look at it, it's tough.
Historically for us he usually somehow wins these sorts of games but we'll see. If he loses, the relationship between him and the fans would hit an all time low.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 06, 2016, 04:16:33 PM
Hull just won which means as things stand we're only out of the relegation zone on goal difference. Pulis really needs a result today or the pressure over the international break will mount and mount. Whatever happens today, it really shows how silly it was to give him a new contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 06, 2016, 04:21:40 PM
Pulis doesn't do relegation. We will be fine, finish between 10th-14th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 06, 2016, 04:36:03 PM
Quote from: wbawill on November 06, 2016, 04:16:33 PM
Hull just won which means as things stand we're only out of the relegation zone on goal difference. Pulis really needs a result today or the pressure over the international break will mount and mount. Whatever happens today, it really shows how silly it was to give him a new contract.
Hull get a point next game and we in bottom 3 when we play Burnley.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on November 06, 2016, 05:03:25 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2016, 04:21:40 PM
Pulis doesn't do relegation. We will be fine, finish between 10th-14th.

Lottery numbers for next week, pal?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 06, 2016, 06:25:35 PM
Lock it up for another 2 weeks...  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 06, 2016, 06:26:44 PM
Well done TP, Well done lads, Well done travelling fans.Magnificent
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 06, 2016, 06:28:15 PM
Shows what we can do with some quality in the middle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on November 06, 2016, 06:28:35 PM
well done today boys
just took the reigning champions 13 month unbeaten home record off them
thought we looked a lot better than the man city game
the dreaded four games ... spurs, respectable draw, liverpool and city -  lost to two of the top three teams this year?, then leicester all 3 points
four points, not a bad return
Although this will probably not be good enough for some people
COYB
and well done TP
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 06, 2016, 06:36:12 PM
Well done TP. You can put the handbrake back on now for a few weeks.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 06, 2016, 06:36:24 PM
I wont hold my breath until he puts out and attack minded side, even after today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 06, 2016, 06:39:06 PM
And all is well again.  8)

Great win, Pulis tactics spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 06, 2016, 06:40:14 PM
All we ask is more of the same please
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on November 06, 2016, 06:42:16 PM
Yeah cause we all believe this is the new way we will play from now on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 06, 2016, 06:46:04 PM
 ???

Every time we win we get "more of the same", "this is all we've been asking for" posts on here and social media.

We didn't play any differently to normal. Our style is more suited to some opposition than others, moreover we're a mid table side, some weeks we just won't turn up. Ask Everton about that, or Watford...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 06, 2016, 06:47:27 PM
TP always manages to get a result when he is under pressure. Let's see how he approaches the next few games which are more than winnable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 06, 2016, 06:49:53 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 06, 2016, 06:46:04 PM
???

Every time we win we get "more of the same", "this is all we've been asking for" posts on here and social media.

We didn't play any differently to normal. Our style is more suited to some opposition than others, moreover we're a mid table side, some weeks we just won't turn up. Ask Everton about that, or Watford...

I disagree. We got at them from the off and tried to get it down and play much more often than usual. Look at Mozza's goal for example. 5-6 players had got themselves forward and into the box. It's very rare we see that. We certainly played that bit further up the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 06, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
Has anyone here seen Narcos? Pulis is like Pablo Escobar - always at his most dangerous when he's put under pressure. Another big win today when it was needed most.

I don't want to take shine away from the win but our defending has looked worse this season. Hopefully he can sort it out though but for now I will celebrate the win  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 06, 2016, 07:04:33 PM
Nothing like Pablo Escobar.  He once had 6 shots in one day...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 06, 2016, 07:11:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 06, 2016, 06:46:04 PM
???

Every time we win we get "more of the same", "this is all we've been asking for" posts on here and social media.

We didn't play any differently to normal. Our style is more suited to some opposition than others, moreover we're a mid table side, some weeks we just won't turn up. Ask Everton about that, or Watford...

Cobblers. We played on the front foot. We had players higher up the pitch. We didn't lump it. How you can't see that is beyond me, but frankly its no surprise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 06, 2016, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 06, 2016, 06:46:04 PM
???

Every time we win we get "more of the same", "this is all we've been asking for" posts on here and social media.

We didn't play any differently to normal. Our style is more suited to some opposition than others, moreover we're a mid table side, some weeks we just won't turn up. Ask Everton about that, or Watford...

Really chuffed with the win, but Vardy's reverted to type, Morgan & Huth are not so effective now they can't grapple in the area. Leicester looked ordinary today, we were by far the better side, & deserved the win.
You said last season the the stars were aligned for Leicester, this season they've become unaligned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 06, 2016, 07:18:52 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 06, 2016, 07:11:54 PM
Cobblers. We played on the front foot. We had players higher up the pitch. We didn't lump it. How you can't see that is beyond me, but frankly its no surprise.

You see what you want to see mate...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on November 06, 2016, 07:20:20 PM
Please don't be another false dawn. With mild modifications Pulisball is perfectly acceptable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 06, 2016, 07:42:54 PM
Although I've always been against Pulis' type of no-frills, long ball football, I've always hoped that he would have learned from his previous experiences, and that he would come around to the idea of more flair football with players with technical skills who look comfortable on the ball. 
I thought today against Leicester was alot more watchable. The chance of scoring a goal when you get men forward in numbers must be a lot greater. But he must keep playing with flair players (and by that I mean more than just one).

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 06, 2016, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 06, 2016, 06:46:04 PM
???

Every time we win we get "more of the same", "this is all we've been asking for" posts on here and social media.

We didn't play any differently to normal. Our style is more suited to some opposition than others, moreover we're a mid table side, some weeks we just won't turn up. Ask Everton about that, or Watford...
Not so sure on that mate , less hacking the ball away and more attempts at decent build up .
Of course having Brunt , Morrison and a more positive Phillips makes all the difference for the second phase.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on November 06, 2016, 07:44:55 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2016, 06:39:06 PM
And all is well again.  8)

Great win, Pulis tactics spot on.

It took him long enough thou. :o (one swallow doesn't mean summers here )
He will be in change till the end of the season so lets see if he can keep this type of football up till then with the help of the January of course.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 06, 2016, 07:58:42 PM
In truth, Brunt and Morrison are only now fit after long lay offs, they are our creativity prior to the arrival of Chadli, TP has had to manage a long while without them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 06, 2016, 08:02:36 PM
and out of the hat pops another rabbit.
Well done to the team.
Nice to see Brunty and Mozza start.  ;) Know what I mean
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lego on November 06, 2016, 08:13:34 PM
Credit where it's due, got it right today and looked relatively comfortable against the champions of England in their own backyard. I'm sure I heard their home record over the last 12 months is impressive as well. Well done TP, must admit I criticised him last week but praise him this week, both justified I feel. Hopefully take that performance into the next few games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on November 06, 2016, 08:27:02 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on November 06, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
Has anyone here seen Narcos? Pulis is like Pablo Escobar - always at his most dangerous when he's put under pressure. Another big win today when it was needed most.

I don't want to take shine away from the win but our defending has looked worse this season. Hopefully he can sort it out though but for now I will celebrate the win  ;D

Nahhh. I've always thought he was a dead ringer for Bill Pertwee in Dad's Army.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/402959/Dad-s-Army-and-Round-the-Horne-star-Bill-Pertwee-dies-aged-86
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 07, 2016, 07:42:43 AM
Credit to TP for yesterday's set up and performance. Its only one game but it shows that it can be done.

I saw him on Sky over the weekend in an interview. He was very grounded and had a fair assessment of where we are at. He identified that we need youth in the team, and has made the board aware that we need a couple more Chadli type players, not 5 or 6 signings in January. Also mentioned Mr Lai and the Chinese as being interested in gradual improvement and not throwing money at it. Came across well to be fair.

At this moment in time I am pleased he is there, although his style has severely tested my patience recently. We played rather well yesterday and lets not do ourselves down about how poor Leicester were, they are not that bad and he 'out thought' them.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 07, 2016, 08:06:24 AM
Credit were it is due, we turned up to Leicester, limited them to not a lot, thought Nyom played well considering 90% of their build up was through Mahrez (player of the year).

We showed intent from the first whistle, and took the game to Leciester higher up the pitch.

The next two games are critical to our season now, if we pick up two good results we can look forward, two bad results and its still going to be a battle. Well done to the boys.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 08, 2016, 12:19:14 PM
This is my problem with Pulis. He sets up away like he should do at home and Vice Versa. We went after Leicester fair play, but,  he doesn't do this enough at The Hawthorns and that is what turns people off and why attendence goes down
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 08, 2016, 08:12:34 PM
Since the Chadli signing....if you take the 3 big boys out of the equation it's been more positive...Bournemouth (2nd half) Sunderland and Leicester away and West Ham at home.

Burnley up next ....they are pretty solid and hopefully it doesn't turn into a repeat of the Middlesboro' game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2016, 11:56:45 AM
i suspect hes grinning like a cheshire knowing his january budget. not all 6 footers though tone please
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on November 09, 2016, 12:20:03 PM
I think this is possibly his biggest transfer window. If we believe what we've been hearing, there will be funds available, there are definitely areas that need strengthening and it comes after he has kicked up a bit of a fuss/after the last window debacle.

Two more Chadli's and I would be very happy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 09, 2016, 01:03:33 PM
We had a (supposedly) decent transfer budget in the summer but failed miserably. What makes people think that January will be any different when it is much harder to sign players?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2016, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on November 09, 2016, 01:03:33 PM
We had a (supposedly) decent transfer budget in the summer but failed miserably. What makes people think that January will be any different when it is much harder to sign players?

No Jeremy my friend, no Jeremy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 09, 2016, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2016, 01:13:07 PM
No Jeremy my friend, no Jeremy

We have the Chinese version now though!  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2016, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on November 09, 2016, 01:19:27 PM
We have the Chinese version now though!  :D


With a bit more loose change
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on November 09, 2016, 04:00:33 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on November 09, 2016, 01:03:33 PM
We had a (supposedly) decent transfer budget in the summer but failed miserably. What makes people think that January will be any different when it is much harder to sign players?

Come on smethwickw, give us some hope, it's nearly Christmas after all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 09, 2016, 04:34:28 PM
I would like to know how anyone knows how much budget we had to spend or how much we got to spend we will spend what we spend weather its good or bad deadline is another question.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 09, 2016, 08:00:36 PM
I think the deal was still held up? So transfer budget might have been in limbo? In ways?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 10, 2016, 06:43:58 AM
There maybe money available but good players of Chadli's class are in extremely short supply in January even on loan. If Head Coach and Director of Football are on the same page we might land 2 good signings we could quite easily land none or sign a couple of squad players.

Regardless of signings I don't expect results or style of play to improve drastically.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on November 10, 2016, 11:20:50 AM
There are always players available if clubs are willing to spend.

Last January:
Imbula to Stoke for £18m.
Niasse to Everton for £13.5m
Shelvey and Townsend to Newcastle for £12m each.
Afobe to Bournemouth for £10m.
Middlesborough paid £9m for Rhodes.
Southampton dropped on Charlie Austin for £4m.

To get a regular starter you have to pay well over the odds. Like Bony's move to Man City the previous year. But there are still plenty of fringe players who can be signed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 10, 2016, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on November 10, 2016, 11:20:50 AM
There are always players available if clubs are willing to spend.

Last January:
Imbula to Stoke for £18m.
Niasse to Everton for £13.5m
Shelvey and Townsend to Newcastle for £12m each.
Afobe to Bournemouth for £10m.
Middlesborough paid £9m for Rhodes.
Southampton dropped on Charlie Austin for £4m.

To get a regular starter you have to pay well over the odds. Like Bony's move to Man City the previous year. But there are still plenty of fringe players who can be signed.

Could argue against your list though that alot of those we would class as 'gambles' and majority havent paid off.

Niasse doesnt even make the bench for Everton, Shelvey and Townsend couldnt help Newcastle avoid the drop and are on BIG wages.

Afobe doesnt really start for Bournemouth, and Rhodes would have always been a gamble.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 10, 2016, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on November 10, 2016, 11:44:46 AM
Could argue against your list though that alot of those we would class as 'gambles' and majority havent paid off.

Niasse doesnt even make the bench for Everton, Shelvey and Townsend couldnt help Newcastle avoid the drop and are on BIG wages.

Afobe doesnt really start for Bournemouth, and Rhodes would have always been a gamble.
Absolutely. None of those were a success and add more weight to the "not spending big in January" argument.
January should be about highlighting weaknesses, deficiencies within the squad and addressing accordingly. Our best Jan signings have been players that know the league and fill a hole, to improve the squad.
The likes of Campbell, Richardson and Andrews. Not world beaters but made a big impact in a short space of time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 21, 2016, 10:35:01 AM
He fancies Klopp i hear :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 22, 2016, 07:42:32 AM
Credit were its due, he takes a lot of stick at times for us as fans so its only fair he gets praised when we play well.

Last 2 games he has got the team and the tactics spot on.

The return of Brunt and Mozza have given us a real balance, and with Chadli to return and the current good form of McClean we now have some decent options available which should keep everyone on their toes.

We look far more effective and dangerous on the break. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2016, 07:55:10 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on November 22, 2016, 07:42:32 AM
Credit were its due, he takes a lot of stick at times for us as fans so its only fair he gets praised when we play well.

Last 2 games he has got the team and the tactics spot on.

The return of Brunt and Mozza have given us a real balance, and with Chadli to return and the current good form of McClean we now have some decent options available which should keep everyone on their toes.

We look far more effective and dangerous on the break. Long may it continue.


agree with what you say, still baffled me when he brought on Gardner though, he could have given Leko 15 minutes ffs.
Anyway Morrison and Brunt doing well has saved his bacon.Its obvious we will beat no team at possession even Plymouth in a pre season friendly but whilst we are winning he gets grace.A bit of fine tweeking in Jan could be good for a cup run
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 22, 2016, 08:02:39 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2016, 07:55:10 AM

agree with what you say, still baffled me when he brought on Gardner though, he could have given Leko 15 minutes ffs.
Anyway Morrison and Brunt doing well has saved his bacon.Its obvious we will beat no team at possession even Plymouth in a pre season friendly but whilst we are winning he gets grace.A bit of fine tweeking in Jan could be good for a cup run

I was hoping for Leko to come on for 10-15 too, could have replaced Morrison in the hole.

All in all though, fantastic performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on November 22, 2016, 08:10:31 AM
 Nobody that plays Nyom at lb can truly be said to have got the team spot on !! whilst it would be unfair to pass total judgement on him until he has had a few games at rb i just dont get the love in with him, even on his right foot he struggles to look like he has any technical ability and even he looks surprised when a pass arrives at the selected destination!! Agree with many others that the return of Brunt and Morrison has bailed him out no end which is a said indictment after the time and money he has had to spend. I will agree thought that the last two performances have been much better so perhaps just perhaps the Dinosaur is not quite extinct !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 22, 2016, 09:23:45 AM
Don`t know about hard to beat but hard to please yes Pulis cant do right from wrong with some fans on the back of 2 great performances some still have a go Nyom by no means a natural left back but he`s doing a really good job so stop slating the guy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 22, 2016, 09:28:00 AM
Quote from: wba13 on November 22, 2016, 09:23:45 AM
Don`t know about hard to beat but hard to please yes Pulis cant do right from wrong with some fans on the back of 2 great performances some still have a go Nyom by no means a natural left back but he`s doing a really good job so stop slating the guy.
You took the words out of my mouth mate !, but generally the critics have gone quiet, and long may it continue.
In Pulis I trust !
,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on November 22, 2016, 10:58:23 AM
The Palace fans are even quieter than the Albion fans. Apparently Pardew (who was a huge upgrade) may not be so great after all :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 22, 2016, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: wba13 on November 22, 2016, 09:23:45 AM
Don`t know about hard to beat but hard to please yes Pulis cant do right from wrong with some fans on the back of 2 great performances some still have a go Nyom by no means a natural left back but he`s doing a really good job so stop slating the guy.

Spot on.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 22, 2016, 11:30:13 AM
People said we couldn't play good stuff and win games with the squad we have currently. Well the last 2 games have made a mockery of that. Finally TP has released the handbrake and with the return of 2 of our better footballers we look half decent. Keep it up Tony and you will win the fans over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on November 22, 2016, 11:35:44 AM
I genuinely don't think Pulis is to blame for a lot of our poor performances, I think it's more to do with the players not doing what they are told to do. Pulis is always bellowing for players to get forward, it seems they have only just begun to listen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 22, 2016, 11:37:30 AM
Not sure our approach to games has changed significantly to be honest. Even after the first goal last night we allowed Burnley to have possession for a while but they didn't use the ball well at all, when we do have the ball we are just making much more of it with the extra quality the likes of Brunt and Morrison offer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 22, 2016, 12:57:00 PM
well done TP, there i have said it.

good to see some football again. PLEASE PLEASE keep it up, (or rather down on the grass) even when we play tougher sides.

the team must enjoy it more as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on November 22, 2016, 01:21:26 PM
I hope we carry on playing that way, there'll be ups and downs but we're definitely giving it a go.

I can't remember who it was but someone on here complained about how we hadn't improved over last season because of the league table position despite (in my opinion) it being clear we are trying to do things better this year.  I thought the league table position is a tough barometer to use because it changes so much and you can't go from being improved, to not being improved from week to week.

Anyway, this time last year we were 13th with 14 points, we are 9th with 16 points.

A league table improvement (for however long) AND a performance improvement. :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 25, 2016, 07:51:59 AM
Interesting article on Tone in the Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3969632/Tony-Pulis-spring-West-Brom-s-step.html

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 25, 2016, 10:06:41 AM
I`m in the Pulis corner i believe that we are now in a lot better position now than when Pulis took over. When he came in we were in freefall bringing in Fletcher was a master stroke since then for me he has built on that with the quality of players bought in  ie Evans McClean Phillips  Rondon and Chadli we still need to get in a new left back,midfield playmaker and 2nd striker But Pulis will know all this even our stile of of play is getting better as we are now quick on the break and scoring goals from open play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 25, 2016, 10:16:43 AM
If he can maintain the level of performance and effort we've seen over the last to games I think he'll win back some of the detractors.
Me included
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 25, 2016, 10:17:43 AM
Quote from: wba13 on November 25, 2016, 10:06:41 AM
I`m in the Pulis corner i believe that we are now in a lot better position now than when Pulis took over. When he came in we were in freefall bringing in Fletcher was a master stroke since then for me he has built on that with the quality of players bought in  ie Evans McClean Phillips  Rondon and Chadli we still need to get in a new left back,midfield playmaker and 2nd striker But Pulis will know all this even our stile of of play is getting better as we are now quick on the break and scoring goals from open play.

i reluctantly agree with you. i've hated Pulis. for the style of play he ingrains in teams. but results speak for themselves and now we are scoring a few more goals, the future is looking bright. if we can continue this good run until Xmas, hopefully it will encourage our chinese friends to get their cheque book out in Jan :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 25, 2016, 10:33:41 AM
I've always been an anti-Pulis guy but of course i'm very happy to eat my words because that'll mean we're doing well and he's proving me wrong!

This season so far has been mostly good. I try not to get carried away with awful performances and to balance that out i do the same with good performances. Chances are we will lose one of the next couple of games or perhaps even draw or even lose them both and some will be losing their minds.

Nyom - he's doing well. Second half v Leicester and all game v Burnley he was great, he just looks awkard and i don't think Pulis can drop him.

He needs to fit Chadli back in, and for me that means a hard decision of dropping Fletcher (who was good first half v Burnley but looked like his legs didn't last) or Dawson and reshuffling the pack a bit. I'd drop Fletcher.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 25, 2016, 11:12:28 AM
I too can take poor results, we're in a mega competitive league alongside clubs with far bigger assets, poor results will happen, its inevitable.

The performances were the problem for me, it sounds like that is improving, I have been watching games on streams / TV and I can see that I might well enjoy going again.

I'm going to give it a few more games but IF the football continues to played mainly on the deck with some pace and attacking intent, I'll be back. I really / really hope the leopard has changed his spots.

Which could mean that another 2 people come with me, so 3 less empty seats hopefully.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 25, 2016, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: Albionic on November 25, 2016, 11:12:28 AM
I too can take poor results, we're in a mega competitive league alongside clubs with far bigger assets, poor results will happen, its inevitable.

The performances were the problem for me, it sounds like that is improving, I have been watching games on streams / TV and I can see that I might well enjoy going again.

I'm going to give it a few more games but IF the football continues to played mainly on the deck with some pace and attacking intent, I'll be back. I really / really hope the leopard has changed his spots.

Which could mean that another 2 people come with me, so 3 less empty seats hopefully.
The last 2 games, and sporadically in those gone before, we have showed some real threat on the counter attack and that has made all the difference, because it gets you up and out of your seat! If we win the ball in our own half and break with pace it's a real adrenalin rush, even if it doesn't end up with a goal.
Last season we weren't seeing this and a lot of our goals just came from set pieces, which just doesn't excite in the same way.
Early on a lot of this would have been attributed to Chadli, but the last 2 have proved that we can do it without him, so Pulis has to take credit.
Keep this up and I will be happy, even if the points tally and league position doesn't change that much, at least I'll have something to get excited about!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on November 25, 2016, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: lewisant on November 25, 2016, 10:33:41 AM
This season so far has been mostly good. I try not to get carried away with awful performances and to balance that out i do the same with good performances. Chances are we will lose one of the next couple of games or perhaps even draw or even lose them both and some will be losing their minds.

I think that's spot on.  Don't get carried away, and don't get too disheartened.  I saw earlier that this is our (joint?) second best points total after 12 games.  We do look like we're improving though which is what makes me happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on November 25, 2016, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 25, 2016, 11:49:42 AM
The last 2 games, and sporadically in those gone before, we have showed some real threat on the counter attack and that has made all the difference, because it gets you up and out of your seat! If we win the ball in our own half and break with pace it's a real adrenalin rush, even if it doesn't end up with a goal.
Last season we weren't seeing this and a lot of our goals just came from set pieces, which just doesn't excite in the same way.
Early on a lot of this would have been attributed to Chadli, but the last 2 have proved that we can do it without him, so Pulis has to take credit.
Keep this up and I will be happy, even if the points tally and league position doesn't change that much, at least I'll have something to get excited about!

Yes, all four goals were from open play on Monday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 25, 2016, 01:31:35 PM
And the 2 against Leicester 6 on the bounce good counter attacking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 25, 2016, 01:35:04 PM
Quote from: wba13 on November 25, 2016, 01:31:35 PM
And the 2 against Leicester 6 on the bounce good counter attacking.
Excitin ay it  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 25, 2016, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: lewisant on November 25, 2016, 10:33:41 AM
or Dawson and reshuffling the pack a bit.
Unlikely if only for the tactic of Foster booming out a big hoof to the right hand touchline in the opponents half for Dawson to head it down and across for someone to run on to which has been a fairly useful and well used device for some time now. He usually wins these headers and is often double teamed to try and defend them and so creating space for others. Morrison was particularly able to exploit this against Burnley the other night.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on November 25, 2016, 01:57:28 PM
I haven't been a fan of Pulis, as I've said before while I suspect he might be a decent bloke to get a beer with, his football has stunk.

However, the tide does seem to be turning, and I miss coming to the game.

So, against my previous judgement I've just bought two half season tickets, one for me and one for Mrs Chipperfan. Two less empty seats.

Oh, and a casual observation, the seats available for half season ticket purchase seem to be being taken quite quickly. Maybe it's not just me and the wife who are giving him another go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 25, 2016, 02:24:12 PM
I can't put my finger on what has changed.  I'm not sure about "the leopard has changed his spots".  TP has just celebrated 1000 games in management.  He knows what he knows and believes in it.  Surely game number 1002 isn't the one in which he decides to try something new?? That would be like Phil Taylor deciding to now throw left handed for a change.  Something HAS got a lot better in the last 2 weeks and I'm loving it like the rest of us.  Perhaps it was just a very out of sorts Burnley and Leicester.  Perhaps it was a revitalised JM and CB.   Let's see...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 25, 2016, 04:26:18 PM
Quote from: stoxman on November 25, 2016, 02:24:12 PM
I can't put my finger on what has changed.  I'm not sure about "the leopard has changed his spots".  TP has just celebrated 1000 games in management.  He knows what he knows and believes in it.  Surely game number 1002 isn't the one in which he decides to try something new?? That would be like Phil Taylor deciding to now throw left handed for a change.  Something HAS got a lot better in the last 2 weeks and I'm loving it like the rest of us.  Perhaps it was just a very out of sorts Burnley and Leicester.  Perhaps it was a revitalised JM and CB.   Let's see...

IMO it's the change of ownership that's had an impact on TP. Following the summer transfer window, I believe John Williams has told him in no uncertain terms to "fit in or f**k off". He's chosen to fit in, hope he can keep it up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 25, 2016, 04:52:35 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 25, 2016, 04:26:18 PM
IMO it's the change of ownership that's had an impact on TP. Following the summer transfer window, I believe John Williams has told him in no uncertain terms to "fit in or f**k off". He's chosen to fit in, hope he can keep it up.
We have had spells of playing in a better style before the take-over. Thanks to some useful recruitment and players back from injury we now have a squad better able to sustain it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 25, 2016, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 25, 2016, 04:26:18 PM
IMO it's the change of ownership that's had an impact on TP. Following the summer transfer window, I believe John Williams has told him in no uncertain terms to "fit in or f**k off". He's chosen to fit in, hope he can keep it up.

You may be right.  None of us knows.  For what's it's worth, I don't believe it's down to the change of ownership or Chair or CEO.  TP clearly values his record of never having been relegated.  It's his guarantee of always being in work.  If he loses that record his CV loses this invincibility and he is then just in the same bucket as the likes of Megson, Warnock etc.  For this reason I can't see him tolerating any back seat driving.  If Williams, Lai or anyone else telling how to set up a team.  I think his answer would be "with all respect, sir, you've never played, coached or managed in football. I'm picking the team and tactics".  He has a renewed contract and couldn't be legitimately sacked for playing defensive football.  He would argue that he was employed in full knowledge of his style and that it has been successful.  Therefore, I believe that this is all Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 25, 2016, 06:54:43 PM
Quote from: stoxman on November 25, 2016, 06:45:26 PM
You may be right.  None of us knows.  For what's it's worth, I don't believe it's down to the change of ownership or Chair or CEO.  TP clearly values his record of never having been relegated.  It's his guarantee of always being in work.  If he loses that record his CV loses this invincibility and he is then just in the same bucket as the likes of Megson, Warnock etc.  For this reason I can't see him tolerating any back seat driving.  If Williams, Lai or anyone else telling how to set up a team.  I think his answer would be "with all respect, sir, you've never played, coached or managed in football. I'm picking the team and tactics".  He has a renewed contract and couldn't be legitimately sacked for playing defensive football.  He would argue that he was employed in full knowledge of his style and that it has been successful.  Therefore, I believe that this is all Pulis.

I don't think it's anything fundamental. IMO he's been "told" to consider players he wouldn't normally have considered, because they didn't fit his strict criteria. For Example, look at the academy players that are in contention now, that TP wouldn't even looked at previously. It will be interesting to see who is earmarked for the January window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 25, 2016, 07:17:56 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 25, 2016, 06:54:43 PM
I don't think it's anything fundamental. IMO he's been "told" to consider players he wouldn't normally have considered, because they didn't fit his strict criteria. For Example, look at the academy players that are in contention now, that TP wouldn't even looked at previously. It will be interesting to see who is earmarked for the January window.
But Pulis played Leko at the end of last season and was making positive noises about others...as said above he wouldn't take to being told who to play. Maybe TP needs just a tiny bit of credit now and then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 25, 2016, 07:39:20 PM
I'm actually giving him some credit, for being adaptable. I didn't think "adaptable" was in his locker, it obviously is.

I think you'll find most survivors have "adaptable" in their locker.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggy nerd on November 25, 2016, 08:41:33 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 25, 2016, 11:12:28 AM
I too can take poor results, we're in a mega competitive league alongside clubs with far bigger assets, poor results will happen, its inevitable.

The performances were the problem for me, it sounds like that is improving, I have been watching games on streams / TV and I can see that I might well enjoy going again.

I'm going to give it a few more games but IF the football continues to played mainly on the deck with some pace and attacking intent, I'll be back. I really / really hope the leopard has changed his spots.

Which could mean that another 2 people come with me, so 3 less empty seats hopefully.
I think the plan of sitting back has been the problem more than the style of football. I don't think we have ever been long ball like his Stoke side. The problem has been sitting back and just trying to soak up attack after attack. The last 2 matches have shown that we can defend then counter-attack which is much better viewing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on November 25, 2016, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: stoxman on November 25, 2016, 06:45:26 PM
You may be right.  None of us knows.  For what's it's worth, I don't believe it's down to the change of ownership or Chair or CEO.  TP clearly values his record of never having been relegated.  It's his guarantee of always being in work.  If he loses that record his CV loses this invincibility and he is then just in the same bucket as the likes of Megson, Warnock etc.  For this reason I can't see him tolerating any back seat driving.  If Williams, Lai or anyone else telling how to set up a team.  I think his answer would be "with all respect, sir, you've never played, coached or managed in football. I'm picking the team and tactics".  He has a renewed contract and couldn't be legitimately sacked for playing defensive football.  He would argue that he was employed in full knowledge of his style and that it has been successful.  Therefore, I believe that this is all Pulis.


No, it's the security of having an extra year on his contract and knowing that he'd have a much bigger pay-off if it goes wrong.  He can now take more risks.  Without it he is just playing for 40 points and safety and will be single-minded about how to achieve it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 25, 2016, 09:55:22 PM
He has played some decent stuff at times and ugly but did the job.
He also played some decent football at Palace because he had different players
Now he has new players (few more on the way I hope) and 2 of his most experienced and reliable back.
I was glad when we employed him and never doubted him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 25, 2016, 11:17:06 PM
I don't think anyone at the club has told Pulis to be more progressive. They have told him that the target is a top 10 finish. This is the first time in his career in the Premier League where he has been told that something better than survival is a requirement for his continued employment.

Pulis is essentially risk adverse so takes the fewest possible risks to attain his target and therefore keep his job, however now 40 points won't hack it nor will the ultra defensive approach that he's adopted to get there in the past. To break top half he has to accumulate more points and readily settling for a draw almost regardless of the opposition is going to get him the sack as much as trying to win and losing.

Hull tomorrow is a really interesting test, earlier in the season we were very cautious away from home against Sunderland who were a team struggling at the bottom of the table bereft of confidence if we take the game to Hull or at least play a good portion of the game on the front foot then maybe we might be seeing Pulisball MrkII.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 26, 2016, 12:07:37 PM
Nevel liked his style of football so never wanted him here. To date the football has been dreadful with maybe 5 or 6 decent performances in the two years. However the last two have been excellent, and we have been positive, taking the game to the opposition. Regardless of results, if that is our mindset then I am much happier and will have no problem with Pulis.

Stick to a positive approach, and build on the foundations of Foster, Evans, Yacob, Morrison, Brunt, Chadli and Rondon, while bringing on Field and Leko this season and I see a positive future for us.

Extremely hopeful for today and excited to see us play for the first time in a good while.

Well done Albion, and well done Pulis. Please keep it up.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 26, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: frazzle on November 26, 2016, 12:07:37 PM
Nevel liked his style of football so never wanted him here. To date the football has been dreadful with maybe 5 or 6 decent performances in the two years. However the last two have been excellent, and we have been positive, taking the game to the opposition. Regardless of results, if that is our mindset then I am much happier and will have no problem with Pulis.

Stick to a positive approach, and build on the foundations of Foster, Evans, Yacob, Morrison, Brunt, Chadli and Rondon, while bringing on Field and Leko this season and I see a positive future for us.

Extremely hopeful for today and excited to see us play for the first time in a good while.

Well done Albion, and well done Pulis. Please keep it up.

Great post and echoes my feelings too. I've really enjoyed the last 2 games not just because of the results but we look so much more positive without losing that defensive basis. We are getting the ball down more and most importantly getting bodies forward to support much more and quickly. I hope to see more of the same today too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingboing1989 on November 26, 2016, 01:45:17 PM
 The thing for me is Pulis hasn't had Morrison or Brunt(In midfield) available too him for most of the time he's been here. As soon as they are back in the team we have looked soo much better going forward.

If we can get a couple of additions in I see no problem with our defensive play because we actually look a threat again going forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 1954 on November 26, 2016, 02:09:04 PM
If we can win again today playing attacking football there will be some real momentum and fans will be eager to go to the matches, sell out the ground & really get behind the team (and the manager) for the first time in a long while. I can't wait for The Hawthorns to be buzzing with deafening noise & anticipation again. C'mon you Baggies.
ITPWT
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on November 26, 2016, 09:21:49 PM
Palace fans now want him back :) I thought Pardew was a genius and they had moved on from Pulis who is a dinasour...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 26, 2016, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: 1954 on November 26, 2016, 02:09:04 PM
If we can win again today playing attacking football there will be some real momentum and fans will be eager to go to the matches, sell out the ground & really get behind the team (and the manager) for the first time in a long while. I can't wait for The Hawthorns to be buzzing with deafening noise & anticipation again. C'mon you Baggies.
ITPWT
Semper te fallant!  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 26, 2016, 10:04:35 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 26, 2016, 09:59:46 PM
Semper te fallant!  ;)
Just had to "google" that.
The Baggies have always been a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde team ever since I started supporting in the late 50's
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 26, 2016, 11:07:09 PM
I won't blame him too much for the Hull game since the intent was there just the talent was off. Still had 2 pretty good chances to win at the end of the game. Get ready for a big game vs Watford TP!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 26, 2016, 11:56:19 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on November 26, 2016, 11:07:09 PM
I won't blame him too much for the Hull game since the intent was there just the talent was off. Still had 2 pretty good chances to win at the end of the game. Get ready for a big game vs Watford TP!
Only one chance according to MOTD.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 27, 2016, 01:10:05 AM
Quote from: costa blanca baggie on November 26, 2016, 11:56:19 PM
Only one chance according to MOTD.

Chadli free kick and Rondon headers at the end I'll qualify as chances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 27, 2016, 03:04:16 AM
Quote from: DivinePast on November 27, 2016, 01:10:05 AM
Chadli free kick and Rondon headers at the end I'll qualify as chances.
Rumour was that Kanu had a headed chance near the end as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 27, 2016, 06:27:16 AM
Quote from: costa blanca baggie on November 27, 2016, 03:04:16 AM
Rumour was that Kanu had a headed chance near the end as well.

Yea but I thought it was a tougher chance than Rondon's header but you can qualify that as well. So 3 ok-good chances to get a win and just didn't work,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 27, 2016, 08:57:49 AM
Quote from: costa blanca baggie on November 26, 2016, 11:56:19 PM
Only one chance according to MOTD.

eh ? really ?

Three great chances near the end once we'd awoken from our slumber in the second half.
The first half was when we really lost it as we were so much in command yet failed to create enough and should have been two up at the break - no way would that Hull side have come back from two down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 27, 2016, 09:29:38 AM
Yeah last match on - you know how it works. They spend longer talking about one incident in an earlier game than they give to the actual action in the later games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on November 27, 2016, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: AlbionBest on November 27, 2016, 08:57:49 AM
eh ? really ?

Three great chances near the end once we'd awoken from our slumber in the second half.
The first half was when we really lost it as we were so much in command yet failed to create enough and should have been two up at the break - no way would that Hull side have come back from two down.

Yep. When we are in control we have to capitalise in it. I was always worried that we would let them back in, especially when Snodgrass got into the game 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 28, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
Needs to keep his job or receive a big payout now as he has been orderded to pay Crystal Palace 3.7 million.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 28, 2016, 04:41:58 PM
Quote from: wba13 on November 28, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
Needs to keep his job or receive a big payout now as he has been orderded to pay Crystal Palace 3.7 million.
Could rise to 5 million if you add in costs.with his reputation in shreds.forever tainted as a money grubbing fraud

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/11/28/tony-pulis-accused-fraudulent-behaviour-high-court-judgment/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 28, 2016, 05:13:10 PM
I`m a PULIS fan but will the owners stand by a man who`s reputation is in tatters and made out to be a liar I guess we`ll wait and see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 28, 2016, 05:17:12 PM
We really havent had the best 10 or so years for scandals have we

Hughes, Bednar, Odemwingie, Anelka, Berahino, now Pulis

Sure theres more too

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 28, 2016, 05:43:31 PM
I believe they was a fullback Nicholson I think was his name drugs i think
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ian66 on November 28, 2016, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: wba13 on November 28, 2016, 05:43:31 PM
I believe they was a fullback Nicholson I think was his name drugs i think
Shane, he was sacked by the club for failing a drugs test in the late 1990's.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on November 28, 2016, 05:59:45 PM
I can't stand his football, now he as been branded a lying, cheating fraudster and a man who as behaved disgracefully, the Judges words! Not mine
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on November 28, 2016, 06:37:32 PM
Pretty untenable position I would say...gone by the weekend ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 28, 2016, 06:43:14 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on November 28, 2016, 06:37:32 PM
Pretty untenable position I would say...gone by the weekend ?
Can't see him going that easy,I'm afraid he's here for the long haul sadly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on November 28, 2016, 06:52:15 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on November 28, 2016, 06:43:14 PM
Can't see him going that easy,I'm afraid he's here for the long haul sadly
That's true...it was just wishful thinking from me...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 28, 2016, 07:00:54 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on November 28, 2016, 04:41:58 PM
Could rise to 5 million if you add in costs.with his reputation in shreds.forever tainted as a money grubbing fraud

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/11/28/tony-pulis-accused-fraudulent-behaviour-high-court-judgment/
There's no other conclusion that can be drawn, unfortunately. Regardless of the ethics and dishonesty of it, you have to wonder how much time he's going to have to spend sorting out his financial situation now and whether that will be detrimental to his management of the squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 28, 2016, 07:08:30 PM
Just as it seemed he was turning things round this happens. FFS. That does not make good reading at all, and who knows what this will mean for his future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 28, 2016, 07:12:24 PM
Firstly, he is only repaying a bonus plus £1.7 million plus costs of approx £1.3 million, secondly, this was with another employer and some time ago, I can not see it posing a huge problem to him either personally or professionally.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 28, 2016, 07:13:35 PM
Could do what a lot of people do take his pension in a lump sum early 1st 25% is tax freebut he will pay a lot of tax on the rest >:( >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 28, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on November 28, 2016, 07:12:24 PM
Firstly, he is only repaying a bonus plus £1.7 million plus costs of approx £1.3 million, secondly, this was with another employer and some time ago, I can not see it posing a huge problem to him either personally or professionally.

Agreed but imagine if it was a colleague of your who had done something similar. It would make you question your trust in them if nothing else.

Despite the ruling, you never know though - he may have been stitched up somehow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 28, 2016, 07:52:12 PM
Selected quotes:

“his conduct...has been shown to be disgraceful” and he “deliberately misled” (the investigation and thus the court)

He got Barry Bannan, Lewis Price and Stuart O’Keefe to "misremember" an event, in which Palace were able to prove he was lying in court.

The judge in summation stated - Pulis’s “conduct has been shown to be disgraceful”.

Pulis must be fired, his contract will no doubt have an element in it about bringing the club into disrepute, which this clearly does.... I'm appalled at this. Pulis must be fired. Otherwise the club is basically stating it's ok with having a conman in charge of transfers..... Utterly shocking!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 28, 2016, 08:06:53 PM
Having seen the judgement I'm amazed that he thought an appeal on the original decision was worthwhile. He's got his feet well under the table here so those hoping this leads to him leaving the club will be in for disappointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 28, 2016, 08:09:23 PM
Just can't see him being fired , as wrong as certain things are if true they did not happen while in employment of West Bromwich Albion .
Of course if anything is found  during his time with us then it's a different story ,
I'd like to think the club looked deep into this before handing that new contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 28, 2016, 08:13:29 PM
Offer him £4,000,000 on a performance related double of top half finish and a fa cup final appearance- sure the greedy bar steward would love a slice of that action.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 28, 2016, 08:17:10 PM
He won't be sacked, it's made the news but is nothing major in terms of coverage. The original story that broke last year was bigger and he survived it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 28, 2016, 08:23:11 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on November 28, 2016, 07:52:12 PM
Selected quotes:

“his conduct...has been shown to be disgraceful” and he “deliberately misled” (the investigation and thus the court)

He got Barry Bannan, Lewis Price and Stuart O’Keefe to "misremember" an event, in which Palace were able to prove he was lying in court.

The judge in summation stated - Pulis’s “conduct has been shown to be disgraceful”.

Pulis must be fired, his contract will no doubt have an element in it about bringing the club into disrepute, which this clearly does.... I'm appalled at this. Pulis must be fired. Otherwise the club is basically stating it's ok with having a conman in charge of transfers..... Utterly shocking!

Overreaction much? Or just the usual wishful thinking...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 28, 2016, 08:23:52 PM
Quote from: Dexy on November 28, 2016, 08:09:23 PM
Just can't see him being fired , as wrong as certain things are if true they did not happen while in employment of West Bromwich Albion .
Of course if anything is found  during his time with us then it's a different story ,
I'd like to think the club looked deep into this before handing that new contract.
His appearances in court were whilst he was an employee of WBA?
For what it is worth, there are worse things going on in football than this at the minute and I can't see anything happening to TP because of it. Having said that, the Chinese might see it differently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 28, 2016, 08:33:04 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on November 28, 2016, 08:23:52 PM
His appearances in court were whilst he was an employee of WBA?
For what it is worth, there are worse things going on in football than this at the minute and I can't see anything happening to TP because of it. Having said that, the Chinese might see it differently.
Not an issue really unless it takes over from his work which it didn't .
Agree on Chinese view , be half forgotten about by Saturday.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 28, 2016, 09:12:28 PM
Quote from: Dexy on November 28, 2016, 08:33:04 PM
Not an issue really unless it takes over from his work which it didn't .
Agree on Chinese view , be half forgotten about by Saturday.
If he was said to be lying in court whilst employed at West Brom , it could be seen as bringing the club into disrepute (if they wanted it to.). Also, they could review his application (if there was one) to see if he lied within it (again, if they had an appetite to).

How it is (or isn't) reported in China, I think, will be significant to his future.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 28, 2016, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on November 28, 2016, 09:12:28 PM
If he was said to be lying in court whilst employed at West Brom , it could be seen as bringing the club into disrepute (if they wanted it to.). Also, they could review his application (if there was one) to see if he lied within it (again, if they had an appetite to).

How it is (or isn't) reported in China, I think, will be significant to his future.
That would be grasping at straws at it finest as the issue has nothing to do with the club .
That or they wanted to get rid , as i posted earlier you'd hope the club knew this before the contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 28, 2016, 10:12:47 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 28, 2016, 08:23:11 PM
Overreaction much? Or just the usual wishful thinking...

Which bit is wishful? That the court has called him a liar and manipulator to receive money by deceit, or that such a man is to be entrusted with the handling of a multi-million pound war chest.... Because i wish for neither part.

If there's any decency here he'll be sacked by Wednesday. It's not a case of wanting him gone, my recent posts show i'm happy with the on field progress. I just fundamentally don't believe such a man should be put in a place of trust and associated with our public interests. I'm honestly surprised your standards allow for that.

Quote from: Dexy on November 28, 2016, 09:25:14 PM
That would be grasping at straws at it finest as the issue has nothing to do with the club .
That or they wanted to get rid , as i posted earlier you'd hope the club knew this before the contract.

I'm confused Dexy, are you saying you'd hope that Pulis had admitted behind closed doors to Albion that he had in fact received money by deception from his old club and was currently lying in court to hide that fact?

That would be moronic.... You can't believe that for a moment surely?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 28, 2016, 10:31:49 PM
No , of course not.
I'd hope the club did their homework on the case from all angles not just TPs view.
It has to be said that new contract came at a very strange time from a bloke who nearly always had rolling contracts in the past........
Not like we were in great form then either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 28, 2016, 10:48:29 PM
I'm sure we did our homework on his behaviour before offering him a new contract.
But did Barca even consider sacking messi for tax evasion?
Just saying.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 28, 2016, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: Dexy on November 28, 2016, 10:31:49 PM
No , of course not.
I'd hope the club did their homework on the case from all angles not just TPs view.
It has to be said that new contract came at a very strange time from a bloke who nearly always had rolling contracts in the past........
Not like we were in great form then either.

Fair enough. I can only hope Pulis agreed through hubris and desperation to add a "bad character" clause to the contract on the promise of extending it to 2018 as he thought somehow to be found innocent.

I know he earns £2m+ a year, but that's pre-tax obviously. a £5m bill will ruin him. I take no pleasure in that. Not liking a playing style isn't cause for wishing a man ruin, but he has shamed himself and by association us. I hope to see him sacked tomorrow. We shall see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 28, 2016, 11:20:00 PM
The verdict is pretty damning. Pulis does not come out of this well at all his behaviour at Palace was deplorable and his conduct during the case was equally brazen.

He has shown to be a liar a cheat and a fool he has managed to saddle himself with a £4m debt on a £960,000 payment. The tax element might be recoverable but frankly it would serve him right if it weren't. On the basis of the full judgement ( http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Comm/2016/2999.html) he is lucky not to be facing criminal charges.

I am fairly certain this will not impact his future at our club because while a judgement such as this would bar someone from a position where personal integrity was paramount I'm not sure being a football coach is such a position.

Ultimately I doubt the club would have given him a contract extension while this was pending if they were concerned about the possible outcome. Personally this changes nothing I have never trusted the man don't like his football and would rather he wasn't Head Coach at my club.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 28, 2016, 11:20:35 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on November 28, 2016, 11:16:47 PM
I hope to see him sacked tomorrow. We shall see.

We shall indeed.

I genuinely hope for your sake that you don't hold your breath in anticipation for too long though  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 28, 2016, 11:53:48 PM
Quote from: Standaman on November 28, 2016, 11:20:00 PM
The verdict is pretty damning. Pulis does not come out of this well at all his behaviour at Palace was deplorable and his conduct during the case was equally brazen.

He has shown to be a liar a cheat and a fool he has managed to saddle himself with a £4m debt on a £960,000 payment. The tax element might be recoverable but frankly it would serve him right if it weren't. On the basis of the full judgement ( http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Comm/2016/2999.html) he is lucky not to be facing criminal charges.

I am fairly certain this will not impact his future at our club because while a judgement such as this would bar someone from a position where personal integrity was paramount I'm not sure being a football coach is such a position.

Ultimately I doubt the club would have given him a contract extension while this was pending if they were concerned about the possible outcome. Personally this changes nothing I have never trusted the man don't like his football and would rather he wasn't Head Coach at my club.
he wont be sacked but i cant wait to see his arris out of our club.the man has his own adgender full stop,i dont like berahino but pulis is culpable in his demise
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 28, 2016, 11:56:09 PM
Hopefully it doesn't cause any unsettled issues with our lads! That's all that matters
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 29, 2016, 05:16:44 AM
The key to all this seems to have been a 'heated players meeting' a few days earlier
Be nice to know just what was said at this meeting, maybe the secret footballer will spill the beans!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on November 29, 2016, 05:33:08 AM
Quote from: barnestormer on November 28, 2016, 11:53:48 PM
he wont be sacked but i cant wait to see his arris out of our club.the man has his own adgender full stop,i dont like berahino but pulis is culpable in his demise


I'm no fan of Pulis but there's only one man to blame for Berahino's demise and that's the kid himself.


Can't wait for them both to leave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HamsteadHarry on November 29, 2016, 06:35:39 AM
Seems from the judgment that had he waited just a few weeks he'd have got the money anyway without the need to make up land deal stories. He'll ride this out and, as someone else said it will be submerged by football's next sordid revelation. Sad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 29, 2016, 08:00:39 AM
Get off your high horses.
Bringing the name of the club into disrepute? Bollards.
He's done no more than some managers and their brown envelopes have been doing for years and that's been talk of the game for years. Those self same managers went on to manage at other clubs time after time with the stories following them every step of the way.
I'm no Pulis fan but some posters really need to pop out have a word with themselves then pop back in again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 29, 2016, 08:09:55 AM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 29, 2016, 05:33:08 AM

I'm no fan of Pulis but there's only one man to blame for Berahino's demise and that's the kid himself.


Can't wait for them both to leave.
Agree , nobody has done more for Saido than Pulis .
In my view Pulis should have bombed him long ago , i actually think he's been a bit soft on him at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 29, 2016, 08:34:00 AM
Get of our high horse Mmmm you make it sound like you agree with what Pulis has done I FOR 1 DON`T I was bought up to tell right from wrong and what he did was wrong and as for those other managers name them and prove they have done something wrong bet you can`t where as Pulis has been proved in a court of law so before you tell people to get of there high horses put the proper facts out there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 29, 2016, 08:46:48 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on November 29, 2016, 08:00:39 AM
Get off your high horses.
Bringing the name of the club into disrepute? Bollards.

He's done no more than some managers and their brown envelopes have been doing for years and that's been talk of the game for years. Those self same managers went on to manage at other clubs time after time with the stories following them every step of the way.

I'm no Pulis fan but some posters really need to pop out have a word with themselves then pop back in again.

Two points here;

1) "Talk" is one thing, even if we're all 99% sure it's a known fact, it's still a rumour. Once a Judge releases a 36 page finding against you in which you are stated as a liar and a fraud then it becomes an actual fact. If you can’t tell the difference between whispers and a court ruling i can't help you.

2.) It might well seem like I’m on a high horse by wanting a fraudster away from my club, but those are my standards. You seem to be stating that it's ok he's bent because they're all bent. Well if that's the honest approach here why are we all bothering? You need standards, you need to hold people to a higher authority and just because things were ok once doesn't mean they should be ok now. This isn't the 1970s anymore and thank god for that. Being corrupt isn't ok and I'm honestly surprised so many people seem to be fine with it. Are our levels so low that we just accept these things? Really?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 29, 2016, 09:16:55 AM
If being against corruption, and against somebody essentially trying to steal £2 million makes me on my high horse then I guess i'm on my high horse.

How long does it take each of us to earn that kind of money?

All he had to do was wait 17 days but he was so greedy he decided to lie/use deception to unfairly grab it when he was not entitled to it.

He wasn't an employee of West Bromwich Albion at the time but that shouldn't matter. Imo Big Sam was sacked for less

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on November 29, 2016, 09:19:01 AM
Thanks KnaveofAlbion you put it better than I ever could totally agree.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 29, 2016, 09:31:28 AM
I think that Knave has got a fair assessment of the situation.

Having read the Court ruling in full, it is clear that there is an element of dishonesty here, and that does not sit well with me.

As someone else has said, Big Sam got canned for a lot less..........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 29, 2016, 10:31:23 AM
According to the local journo Matt Wilson the club see it as a dispute between Pulis and his former employers , make of that what you will regarding Albion's view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 29, 2016, 10:38:36 AM
Cue the 'One greedy bar steward' songs at every game.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 29, 2016, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: Dexy on November 29, 2016, 10:31:23 AM
According to the local journo Matt Wilson the club see it as a dispute between Pulis and his former employers , make of that what you will regarding Albion's view.
As they've just given him a new contract I would imagine they will turn a blind eye and treat it exactly as you say.
There must be some chuntering going on in the background though, especially if he gave them the same version of events that he gave the court as, in effect, this would mean he lied to us as well.
Short term I don't see any dramatic reaction but long term I think it will have a definite effect on his standing, not only within our club, but within football itself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 29, 2016, 10:41:24 AM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on November 29, 2016, 08:46:48 AM
Two points here;

1) "Talk" is one thing, even if we're all 99% sure it's a known fact, it's still a rumour. Once a Judge releases a 36 page finding against you in which you are stated as a liar and a fraud then it becomes an actual fact. If you can’t tell the difference between whispers and a court ruling i can't help you.

2.) It might well seem like I’m on a high horse by wanting a fraudster away from my club, but those are my standards. You seem to be stating that it's ok he's bent because they're all bent. Well if that's the honest approach here why are we all bothering? You need standards, you need to hold people to a higher authority and just because things were ok once doesn't mean they should be ok now. This isn't the 1970s anymore and thank god for that. Being corrupt isn't ok and I'm honestly surprised so many people seem to be fine with it. Are our levels so low that we just accept these things? Really?

Is there room on the high horse for me too?  I wouldn't chastise a player for being caught driving at 80mph on a motorway; we all do it and it would be hypocritical for me to blame them.  When it comes to the actions described by the Judge in this case, I can absolutely say that I would never behave in such a way and believe that anyone doing so are contemptible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2016, 11:02:32 AM
Easier to get rid now then if we go on a bad run
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on November 29, 2016, 11:26:28 AM
 Basically it would seem TP has lied through his backside, now in China honour is a very large part of the culture.....i just wonder ::) ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 29, 2016, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: hardtobeat on November 29, 2016, 11:26:28 AM
Basically it would seem TP has lied through his backside, now in China honour is a very large part of the culture.....i just wonder ::) ::)

As its unlikely to make headline news over there I doubt they will be too bothered in all honesty while he's picking up the points to keep us in the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on November 29, 2016, 11:46:20 AM
The same people who wanted him out prior to this are the same ones making the noises again

He won't be sacked by us...and rightly so

Yes he lied to Crystal Palace, what hasn't come out in all this is why he wanted away from Palace and what caused him to act that way
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 29, 2016, 11:53:20 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on November 29, 2016, 11:46:20 AM
The same people who wanted him out prior to this are the same ones making the noises again

He won't be sacked by us...and rightly so

Yes he lied to Crystal Palace, what hasn't come out in all this is why he wanted away from Palace and what caused him to act that way
Bit obvious that though isn't it? Why would this news make anyone who wanted him out change their mind? It may make a few who backed him change their mind though.
I don't think the reason he lied is relevant either, it's the fact that he did that grates on people's principles.
I do agree that he won't be sacked though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 29, 2016, 12:18:18 PM
Hey guys,i don't think he'll be sacked he was working for another company ,not ours.
However,it does leave a sour taste in the mouth about his history,but as far as I'm aware he's done nothing bad to us,except the quality of our play,but even that may have turned the corner.
One thing that does bug me though is the Media's constant referring to him as" manager".
He just a coach,manager implies he has more power than he has he's not in  as strong position with us as he may have been with his previous jobs,is he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 29, 2016, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on November 29, 2016, 11:46:20 AM
Yes he lied to Crystal Palace, what hasn't come out in all this is why he wanted away from Palace and what caused him to act that way

He didn't "lie to Palace", he repeatedly and deliberately lied to the court (how he's not been charged with an offence here is beyond me). It's not about him being a bit of a scumbag in taking the money and quitting the next day on a flimsy pretence, it's about him lying his backside off in court about it under oath.

Why he wanted to leave Palace is irrelevant. Utterly irrelevant.

Oh and once again, I was enjoying the past few games, this isn't about his playing style. I loved Mowbray and if he'd have done this I'd want him sacked too.

Thank you Stox, 13, Sky, SeeteFeet, Jordie et al for the backing. I was feeling a bit alone in thinking being a conman shouldn't just be "part of the game".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 29, 2016, 12:40:56 PM
If he has lied in Court under oath he has committed Perjury which is a criminal offence likely to attract a custodial sentence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 29, 2016, 12:47:56 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2016, 11:02:32 AM
Easier to get rid now then if we go on a bad run

Not really as he still has a contract with us. I don't think this ruling will have any impact on his contract.Surely the board were aware of the court case prior to offering him the 1 yr extension.

Personally it doesn't sit well with me at all.

Quote from: skyclad99 on November 29, 2016, 12:40:56 PM
If he has lied in Court under oath he has committed Perjury which is a criminal offence likely to attract a custodial sentence.
Not always. Often it involves paying a fine to the court
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2016, 12:52:14 PM
Keep all onside Tone, beat Watford on Saturday should help
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 29, 2016, 01:03:51 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 29, 2016, 12:47:56 PM

Personally it doesn't sit well with me at all.
Not always. Often it involves paying a fine to the court

It all depends on the type of case and the severity of the alleged perjury.

In this case it is a squabble over money under civil proceedings. If it is a simple mistruth then I would agree with you. My point being is that if someone is untruthful or misleads a Court under oath, then they have committed a criminal offence that does attract a custodial sentence - if required. The legal ruling suggests that TP was untruthful under oath and the reason for this is considerable financial gain.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on November 29, 2016, 01:16:13 PM
I think we should carry out an internal investigation and announce the findings around the time we reach 40 points.   ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 29, 2016, 01:27:51 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 29, 2016, 12:47:56 PM
Not really as he still has a contract with us. I don't think this ruling will have any impact on his contract.Surely the board were aware of the court case prior to offering him the 1 yr extension.

Personally it doesn't sit well with me at all.
Not always. Often it involves paying a fine to the court

Doesn't sit well with me either.

For some time now I've been suspicious of his motivation. Someone earlier, quoted Matt Wison from E & S, saying he thought that it would be seen by the board as an issue between TP & CPFC. Matt also goes on to say, that the "deceit" would not be seen favourably, either by WBAFC board or the football world in general.
Not sure this is going to be swept under the carpet so easily
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 29, 2016, 01:39:55 PM
I note that many are saying that this is a dispute between TP and his previous employer.

So imagine you run a business and you take on a new employee. He left his previous place of employment over a 'difference of opinion'. You accept his word and he is a good worker [stay with me on that point!]. You like him and he is doing a good job. However, you then find out the real reason for him leaving his previous job - he pulled a fast one for financial gain. As an employer how do you feel about him now?

I have mixed views but the one thing I  do not like is lack of integrity. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 29, 2016, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 29, 2016, 01:03:51 PM
It all depends on the type of case and the severity of the alleged perjury.

In this case it is a squabble over money under civil proceedings. If it is a simple mistruth then I would agree with you. My point being is that if someone is untruthful or misleads a Court under oath, then they have committed a criminal offence that does attract a custodial sentence - if required. The legal ruling suggests that TP was untruthful under oath and the reason for this is considerable financial gain.

Indeed it can lead to a custodial sentence but since judgement has already been passed he's not going to go to jail for perjury as it would have been part of the judgement. The ruling has said he acted fraudulently which may be why he hasn't been charged with perjury as both are specific things in law. It appears perjury hasn't been considered at all.
I would agree that by the definition of perjury this is what he has done though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 29, 2016, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 29, 2016, 01:39:55 PM
I note that many are saying that this is a dispute between TP and his previous employer.

So imagine you run a business and you take on a new employee. He left his previous place of employment over a 'difference of opinion'. You accept his word and he is a good worker [stay with me on that point!]. You like him and he is doing a good job. However, you then find out the real reason for him leaving his previous job - he pulled a fast one for financial gain. As an employer how do you feel about him now?

I have mixed views but the one thing I  do not like is lack of integrity.

Difficult to see how the incident wouldn't have added another layer of mistrust. I'm not sure the "wounds" between TP & the board had completely healed following the summer transfer window. I suspect this incident will have opened them up again.

I don't think we'll see any immediate action, but I suspect his "card has been marked"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 29, 2016, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 29, 2016, 01:46:53 PM
Indeed it can lead to a custodial sentence but since judgement has already been passed he's not going to go to jail for perjury as it would have been part of the judgement. The ruling has said he acted fraudulently which may be why he hasn't been charged with perjury as both are specific things in law. It appears perjury hasn't been considered at all.
I would agree that by the definition of perjury this is what he has done though.

Sorry Hull, I wasn't suggesting that. Its just useful to know that during this process he may well have committed a criminal offence in itself. The fact that it was under civil proceedings and as you say a judgement has already passed is the reason why nothing will happen - but he does appear to have perjured himself which is not good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on November 29, 2016, 02:15:53 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on November 29, 2016, 12:26:46 PM
He didn't "lie to Palace", he repeatedly and deliberately lied to the court (how he's not been charged with an offence here is beyond me). It's not about him being a bit of a scumbag in taking the money and quitting the next day on a flimsy pretence, it's about him lying his backside off in court about it under oath.

Why he wanted to leave Palace is irrelevant. Utterly irrelevant.

Oh and once again, I was enjoying the past few games, this isn't about his playing style. I loved Mowbray and if he'd have done this I'd want him sacked too.

Thank you Stox, 13, Sky, SeeteFeet, Jordie et al for the backing. I was feeling a bit alone in thinking being a conman shouldn't just be "part of the game".

Yes he did...thats what the entire case was about

And it is relevant to him leaving the next day.....if everything was rosy he wouldnt have wanted to leave and therefore would have stayed and picked up the bonus

I don't see why they wouldnt have given them the bonus anyway considering the job he did for them that year...i suppose thats irrelevant too  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2016, 03:06:51 PM
not many other clubs message boards discussing, no big deal maybe
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 29, 2016, 03:16:01 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on November 29, 2016, 02:15:53 PM
Yes he did...thats what the entire case was about

And it is relevant to him leaving the next day.....if everything was rosy he wouldn’t have wanted to leave and therefore would have stayed and picked up the bonus

I don't see why they wouldn’t have given them the bonus anyway considering the job he did for them that year...i suppose thats irrelevant too  ::)

I mistyped. He did lie to Palace, but him being a liar isn't why I'm upset here. It's not great, but what I am extremely unhappy with is that having "mislead" his former employer he then double downed on it and went through a prolonged campaign of deceit in court about it. Telling a lie is one thing, we've all done it. Trying to mislead the court is another. Having been caught out his word should never count for anything ever again and thus I want him out.

I won't comment on this again, I don't want it to become an agenda thing. Thanks to all for comments and/or support of points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on November 29, 2016, 03:27:21 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on November 29, 2016, 03:16:01 PM
I mistyped. He did lie to Palace, but him being a liar isn't why I'm upset here. It's not great, but what I am extremely unhappy with is that having "mislead" his former employer he then double downed on it and went through a prolonged campaign of deceit in court about it. Telling a lie is one thing, we've all done it. Trying to mislead the court is another. Having been caught out his word should never count for anything ever again and thus I want him out.

I won't comment on this again, I don't want it to become an agenda thing. Thanks to all for comments and/or support of points.

I don't think you have an agenda

Some do and will use this even more to expand their agenda

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 29, 2016, 04:24:34 PM
As the judgement was pending the club would have to "believe TP".
Now he has been proven a liar and fraudster they should be able to terminate any contract that was signed on the basis of his deceit.

Its the same as lying on a job application.

I do wonder why the club didn't wait for the verdict before awarding a new contract though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Uncle Peter on November 29, 2016, 04:46:00 PM


I don't 'think' it would be an issue to get rid if they really wanted, 'breach of contract', or 'bringing the club's reputation in to disrepute' could easily be trotted out.*

*IANAL.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2016, 05:03:53 PM
talking about this now on your favourite station TalkSport
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on November 29, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
Sounds like an untrustworthy individual - but there's lots of em in football - just listen to managers after match comments and transfer window denials by managers and chairmen :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 29, 2016, 07:08:54 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on November 29, 2016, 12:26:46 PM
He didn't "lie to Palace", he repeatedly and deliberately lied to the court (how he's not been charged with an offence here is beyond me). It's not about him being a bit of a scumbag in taking the money and quitting the next day on a flimsy pretence, it's about him lying his backside off in court about it under oath.

Why he wanted to leave Palace is irrelevant. Utterly irrelevant.

Oh and once again, I was enjoying the past few games, this isn't about his playing style. I loved Mowbray and if he'd have done this I'd want him sacked too.

Thank you Stox, 13, Sky, SeeteFeet, Jordie et al for the backing. I was feeling a bit alone in thinking being a conman shouldn't just be "part of the game".
Is there anything written anywhere that gives the full extent of the lies ? I've heard the bit about needing the money for property situation involving his family...was there anything else ? (I'm not suggesting that that lie is trivial but just wondering if there's anything else ).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2016, 07:44:31 PM
Watford supporters have a few tunes for Tone i see. WFCFORUMS.COM
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2016, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on November 29, 2016, 02:15:53 PM
Yes he did...thats what the entire case was about

And it is relevant to him leaving the next day.....if everything was rosy he wouldnt have wanted to leave and therefore would have stayed and picked up the bonus

I don't see why they wouldnt have given them the bonus anyway considering the job he did for them that year...i suppose thats irrelevant too  ::)

The way Pulis has gone about receiving is nothing short of disgusting to be honest.

He was going to receive that bonus regardless - and deservedly so. He knowingly used deceit to make sure that date was brought forward - knowing he had then pocketed £2million, he immediately resigned knowing the manager of the year could take a luxurious job elsewhere. The fact he has not supplied any evidence to suggest he/or his daughters were purchasing land and properties gives me a good enough opinion to believe it was a well-thought out plan to rob Palace of the money and leave prior to the start of the season.

Whilst I deplore what he has done, it does not warrant Pulis getting the sack. Unfortunately what this incident does is allow some people - who have not been around for a while - to further strengthen their anti Pulis agenda and convieniently ignore that our performances on the pitch have changed for the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2016, 08:22:29 PM
Quote from: Dexy on November 29, 2016, 08:09:55 AM
Agree , nobody has done more for Saido than Pulis .
In my view Pulis should have bombed him long ago , i actually think he's been a bit soft on him at times.
I personally disagree. I think from the day that Pulis told him he could leave and that he wasn't part of his plans he has badly managed the situation. But having said that, lots of people have contributed to  the situation badly including Saido, his agents and advisors, Jeremy Peace,  Daniel Levy.... 
One to assign to the history books.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2016, 08:42:08 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2016, 07:57:45 PM
Whilst I deplore what he has done, it does not warrant Pulis getting the sack.
Interestingly on a slightly different subject, Simon Jordan, the former Palace chairman was tweeting over the weekend about owners and how they (owners) would employ Osama Bin Laden if he could offer them success.
TP is probably currently offering enough success that our new owners require, so whilst they could use this against him if they wanted to,  I don't think they will. The results against Burnley and Leicester have come at a good time for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 29, 2016, 09:07:28 PM
As far as our club is concerned the most important question is will this affect the players and their seeming respect/liking of Pulis ?
Saturday will give us the first indications.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 29, 2016, 10:12:12 PM
Disgraceful this hasn't had more media coverage. Must be down to a combination of our lack of stature as a club and the football media's pulis love in.

But then again; as keeps getting trotted out by the pundits, "he's a proper football bloke is Tony".

Too right he is; he's crooked.

Just like El Tel, George Graham, Big Sam ........

But as far as we know, most of the bent carry on is at the expense of the various parties through transfer bungs.

It doesn't make them less dishonest, but to have the barefaced nerve to CON your employer out of £2m.

What a tw*t!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 29, 2016, 10:24:20 PM
Quote from: billvis on November 29, 2016, 10:12:12 PM
Disgraceful this hasn't had more media coverage. Must be down to a combination of our lack of stature as a club and the football media's pulis love in.

But then again; as keeps getting trotted out by the pundits, "he's a proper football bloke is Tony".

Too right he is; he's crooked.

Just like El Tel, George Graham, Big Sam ........

But as far as we know, most of the bent carry on is at the expense of the various parties through transfer bungs.

It doesn't make them less dishonest, but to have the barefaced nerve to CON your employer out of £2m.

What a tw*t!
Liam in an above post said he was "Going to get it anyway". So if it is true why did he "CON his employer out of £2m" When he ha earned it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 29, 2016, 10:30:16 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on November 29, 2016, 10:24:20 PM
Liam in an above post said he was "Going to get it anyway". So if it is true why did he "CON his employer out of £2m" When he ha earned it?

He reneged on the deal, to be Manager on the 31st of August. Which he dey do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chipperclark on November 29, 2016, 10:33:03 PM
 ;) Can see Tony writing a book about this and his life as a football manager....will make better reading than Fergies book.

He will need the money from the book to pay back the debt to Palace.

I think in the scheme of things TP was wrong to get money early (which he was obviously promised) nothing really wrong there. Also quitting the Club days later may have been the morally wrong thing to do. Obviously Parish had a contract which stated "not to resign after payment of the bonus"so thats where the problem lies. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 29, 2016, 10:37:17 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 29, 2016, 10:30:16 PM
He reneged on the deal, to be Manager on the 31st of August. Which he dey do.
Why when so close to the date?! He did not start with us until Jan! Crazy!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on November 29, 2016, 10:50:10 PM
I must be the only one who doesn't give a hoot about this
It's about as important as Alex Ferguson getting off a speeding fine because he needed a rubbish.
Anyone hoping the club use this as a reason for sacking him is living in cloud cuckoo land as is going to be extremely disappointed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2016, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on November 29, 2016, 10:24:20 PM
Liam in an above post said he was "Going to get it anyway". So if it is true why did he "CON his employer out of £2m" When he ha earned it?

The money was due to be paid on the 31st which would have been a week or two into the season.

Pulis used some deceitful tactics and abused the goodwill of Parish to get the payment date brought forward - once that happened, Pulis immediately resigned citing reasons which could not be proved.

Had Pulis waited another couple of weeks he would have earned his money and kept his reputation in tact. What would not have served him well would have been walking out on Palace two games into the season which is probably why he organised to have the payment brought forward.

It is worth remembering at this point he was manager of the year and would have been in high demand at clubs whose financial resources outweighed Palace. Resigning from Palace put him in the shop window for an employment opportunity with greater financial rewards when the eventual manager merry-go-round kicked into gear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on November 29, 2016, 11:54:33 PM
I can't believe the sanctimonious attitude of most fans on here.
He kept palace up and then broke his contract by TWO WEEKS.
14 days. That's it.
It's costing him an absolute fortune. Yes, the football has been mostly pooh but aside from that I just can't understand the animosity....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 29, 2016, 11:56:05 PM
I don't think the case has anything to do with our club.
This is Pulis's black past.
Perhaps our new owners will take a diiferent view.
I am not a TP lover btw.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 30, 2016, 07:03:57 AM
In August 2014 Pulis wanted leave Palace. He had a choice to make either resign and forgo his bonus or wait to 31st August which was a mere two weeks away and get his bonus. Instead he chose to lie to get his hands on the bonus and then leave Palace in the lurch, had that been us there would be an angry mob of Albion fans wanting to lynch him.

While he was the manager of the year let's face it during his time as a Premier League manager there have been many vacancies at clubs with genuine top 6 aspirations and I don't think Pulis has been considered for any of them. No club with greater financial clout than Palace was ever going to want Pulis. No only the poor souls at Stoke Palace and Albion have the rare privileged of being Pulised and yes the football has improved at times this season but from a very low base and there was some signs we were reverting to type against Hull.

Ultimately although I want him gone I doubt the board will sack him over his behaviour at Palace. The board will regard it as a matter between him and a former employer and short of criminal proceedings won't act on the incident and that probably applies to most people in most walks of life.     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 30, 2016, 08:44:27 AM
Quote from: slate on November 29, 2016, 11:54:33 PM
I can't believe the sanctimonious attitude of most fans on here.
He kept palace up and then broke his contract by TWO WEEKS.
14 days. That's it.
It's costing him an absolute fortune. Yes, the football has been mostly rubbish but aside from that I just can't understand the animosity....

You've obviously not read the previous messages on this. At least form me as it's not about him being a bit "cheeky" or such in pulling a fast one. That shows him to be unreliable and a bit of a git on a personal level, which hopefuly burns his created image of being an "honest lad". What really takes it from naughty to criminal and thus I would have hoped sacked (as i doubt it'll happen now) is that once it ended up in court he lied and lied again and even involved other people in his deceit.

For a Judge to release a 36 page finding in which he slates you goes to show that you've gone far too far. Holding people to account and feeling there should be consequences to this isn't sanctimonious, it's having standards. It's apparent here that my standards are higher than some. I wonder why? I can only assume you'd he happy to hire and associate with a conman and someone who lies under oath? He should be fired, he should be facing a crinimal charge, but it currently appeared neither will happen. The standards slip yet again. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 30, 2016, 08:46:09 AM
I put this up for information purposes only - the outcome was that TP accepted an out of court settlement of £75,000. It is an interesting read though

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2001/apr/27/newsstory.sport1
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 30, 2016, 09:00:11 AM
the mans got form i wil give him that, like someone said lets see how the players respond on Saturday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 30, 2016, 09:20:20 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2016, 07:44:31 PM
Watford supporters have a few tunes for Tone i see. WFCFORUMS.COM

Had a look and frankly I'm very disappointed with the Watford fans lack of creativity, some very poor attempts.

You'd think they would be able to adapt some of Sir Elton's tunes!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on November 30, 2016, 10:00:27 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 30, 2016, 08:46:09 AM
I put this up for information purposes only - the outcome was that TP accepted an out of court settlement of £75,000. It is an interesting read though

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2001/apr/27/newsstory.sport1

I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. He's only looking after himself. I still think the Secret Footballer rumours about him are true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2016, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 30, 2016, 09:20:20 AM
Had a look and frankly I'm very disappointed with the Watford fans lack of creativity, some very poor attempts.

You'd think they would be able to adapt some of Sir Elton's tunes!
How about:

My daughter's getting married in the morning,
Can I have my bonus early please....
Even though my football had you yawning.
When I go I'll leave you on your knees.....

I'll get me coat  :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 30, 2016, 02:02:30 PM
Quote from: slate on November 29, 2016, 11:54:33 PM
I can't believe the sanctimonious attitude of most fans on here.
He kept palace up and then broke his contract by TWO WEEKS.
14 days. That's it.
It's costing him an absolute fortune. Yes, the football has been mostly rubbish but aside from that I just can't understand the animosity....

How is being annoyed that the figurehead of our club is a fraudster sanctimonious?

He committed fraud, that's why it will end up costing him best part of £5m all in, but he's lucky not to be imprisoned.

It was only two weeks, you're right. Why risk all of that for the sake of two weeks?

Shows to me a fundamental lack of honesty, judgement and sense.

I repeat; what a tw#t!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 30, 2016, 03:38:27 PM
He is a fraudster
He is a liar
He has no respect for the law
He has no respect for his peers
He has no respect for his employers

Stating this is not sanctimonious, its paraphrasing a judges rulings,

add to this
He has previous

If I employed him or worked with him, I would be very careful, I most certainly would NOT give him access to funds or the ability to influence the use of funds, which he seems to very keen to be !

This seems to relegate TP to being a head coach and NOT a club manager IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on November 30, 2016, 03:52:31 PM
re criminal law in general for those that dont know

fraud in a civil case - balance of probabilities - ie more likely than not ie 51%
fraud in criminal case - beyond all reasonable doubt - no percentage but basically you're up there beyond 90%

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 30, 2016, 03:54:05 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 30, 2016, 03:38:27 PM
He is a fraudster
He is a liar
He has no respect for the law
He has no respect for his peers
He has no respect for his employers

Stating this is not sanctimonious, its paraphrasing a judges rulings,

add to this
He has previous

If I employed him or worked with him, I would be very careful, I most certainly would NOT give him access to funds or the ability to influence the use of funds, which he seems to very keen to be !

This seems to relegate TP to being a head coach and NOT a club manager IMO.


not even the petty cash, scally having his twopenneth, who next coates etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 30, 2016, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2016, 11:10:26 PM
The money was due to be paid on the 31st which would have been a week or two into the season.

Pulis used some deceitful tactics and abused the goodwill of Parish to get the payment date brought forward - once that happened, Pulis immediately resigned citing reasons which could not be proved.

Had Pulis waited another couple of weeks he would have earned his money and kept his reputation in tact. What would not have served him well would have been walking out on Palace two games into the season which is probably why he organised to have the payment brought forward.

It is worth remembering at this point he was manager of the year and would have been in high demand at clubs whose financial resources outweighed Palace. Resigning from Palace put him in the shop window for an employment opportunity with greater financial rewards when the eventual manager merry-go-round kicked into gear.
Thank you for that Liam.
I see what it is about now.The whole situation seemed and does sound crazy to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 30, 2016, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on November 30, 2016, 10:00:27 AM
I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. He's only looking after himself. I still think the Secret Footballer rumours about him are true.

Hadn't read that secret footballer stuff until now. Given his previous form at Gillingham and palace it would certainly give a wholly plausible explanation to an otherwise baffling situation.

I was starting to come round in the last few weeks, like I'm sure a lot of others were.

I'd have rid in a flash now.

Scumbag
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 30, 2016, 09:41:52 PM
I don't thing Tony is allowed anywhere near the money, those days are long gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 01, 2016, 09:25:02 AM
Quote from: billvis on November 30, 2016, 08:28:04 PM
Hadn't read that secret footballer stuff until now. Given his previous form at Gillingham and palace it would certainly give a wholly plausible explanation to an otherwise baffling situation.

I was starting to come round in the last few weeks, like I'm sure a lot of others were.

I'd have rid in a flash now.

Scumbag
What does the secret footballer say?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on December 01, 2016, 09:41:15 AM
http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/

Also another not linked to money as such

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/21110/parish-wins-palace-power-struggle/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 01, 2016, 09:54:11 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on December 01, 2016, 09:41:15 AM
http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/

Also another not linked to money as such

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/21110/parish-wins-palace-power-struggle/

Did the secret footballer know anything about the 900 victims so far, buggered and abused in the changing rooms of British football clubs? :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 01, 2016, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on December 01, 2016, 09:41:15 AM
http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/

Also another not linked to money as such

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/21110/parish-wins-palace-power-struggle/
Cheers mate, interesting read.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on December 01, 2016, 06:23:29 PM
I notice that tp has targeted 3 exciting New players in January!
There's never a dull moment at wba is there.
How does he demand anything of our players when they read the judgement of his case.
My only concern about this saga is how it may affect our players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 01, 2016, 06:46:15 PM
I don't see why it would affect our players to be honest, I expect everyone is just getting on with their jobs.

As for his comments about targets exciting fans should they sign I wish he wouldn't make such comments to be honest as it just gets supporters hopes up. Realistically this window will be much tougher than the summer where we struggled to get the quality we needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 01, 2016, 08:06:05 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on December 01, 2016, 06:46:15 PM
I don't see why it would affect our players to be honest, I expect everyone is just getting on with their jobs.

As for his comments about targets exciting fans should they sign I wish he wouldn't make such comments to be honest as it just gets supporters hopes up. Realistically this window will be much tougher than the summer where we struggled to get the quality we needed.

But by raising supporter expectations/hopes he puts huge pressure on the moneymen/owners etc. Whatever you think of him he knows how to operate at this level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 01, 2016, 09:40:41 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 01, 2016, 08:06:05 PM
But by raising supporter expectations/hopes he puts huge pressure on the moneymen/owners etc. Whatever you think of him he knows how to operate at this level.
Whatever you think of Pulis I do enjoy seeing him easily bat Pete Colley away in his Pressers ,as you say he does know how to play the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 01, 2016, 10:37:13 PM
Quote from: Dexy on December 01, 2016, 09:40:41 PM
Whatever you think of Pulis I do enjoy seeing him easily bat Pete Colley away in his Pressers ,as you say he does know how to play the game.

I appreciate that he's playing the game so to speak but it will end up badly for him if he tries to pressure the money men too much. As for Pete Colley he's one of those Sky have made redundant so unless he gets another local media job he won't be doing our pressers for much longer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 01, 2016, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on December 01, 2016, 10:37:13 PM
I appreciate that he's playing the game so to speak but it will end up badly for him if he tries to pressure the money men too much. As for Pete Colley he's one of those Sky have made redundant so unless he gets another local media job he won't be doing our pressers for much longer.
Wasn't aware of that mate ,off topic of course :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on December 02, 2016, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 01, 2016, 08:06:05 PM
But by raising supporter expectations/hopes he puts huge pressure on the moneymen/owners etc. Whatever you think of him he knows how to operate at this level.

Not a great plan when he doesn't hold the balance of power, especially when he thinks he does.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 02, 2016, 02:46:07 PM
Tony seems to think theres more to the story but is being advised by his Lawyers to stay shtum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 02, 2016, 04:55:35 PM
I believe there is more to this story than is being told. Remember were on here talking about a big London club taking little Tony Pulis to account over money that would have been owed to him a few days later than when he asked for it.I wonder if certain owners have friends in high places remember this is the capitol were talking about and as we know in football things work differently down there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 02, 2016, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: wba13 on December 02, 2016, 04:55:35 PM
I believe there is more to this story than is being told. Remember were on here talking about a big London club taking little Tony Pulis to account over money that would have been owed to him a few days later than when he asked for it.I wonder if certain owners have friends in high places remember this is the capitol were talking about and as we know in football things work differently down there.

I  appreciate what you are saying but the only thing we have to go on is the Judge's comments in Court. My opinion only is that he tried to get his money early for whatever reason, then promptly left and CPFC took legal advice after they identified the broken contract and felt that they were within their rights to ask for their money back. Seems quite reasonable to me. I don't think TP anticipated that CPFC would take legal action which is where it has all fallen apart for him. He has caused his own problems really and it is now all out in the open.

He may be keeping quiet at the moment on the advice of his legal team, and from that I can only assume that he intends to appeal the decision. So we may learn more then, but at the moment he has not come out of this very well.......I hope it is wrong as I quite like him as a bloke, but............... 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on December 02, 2016, 05:44:45 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on December 02, 2016, 05:26:09 PM
I  appreciate what you are saying but the only thing we have to go on is the Judge's comments in Court. My opinion only is that he tried to get his money early for whatever reason, then promptly left and CPFC took legal advice after they identified the broken contract and felt that they were within their rights to ask for their money back. Seems quite reasonable to me. I don't think TP anticipated that CPFC would take legal action which is where it has all fallen apart for him. He has caused his own problems really and it is now all out in the open.

He may be keeping quiet at the moment on the advice of his legal team, and from that I can only assume that he intends to appeal the decision. So we may learn more then, but at the moment he has not come out of this very well.......I hope it is wrong as I quite like him as a bloke, but...............

I am afraid if he has anything to say it will be to appeal - other then that,better to shut up!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 02, 2016, 07:12:51 PM
Probably a London Judge and from what i`ve read he is not going to appeal but something has gone on and he`s been advised to keep his mouth closed at present but over the cause of time things will come out something went on at Palace to make him behave like he did i dought if Parish is squeaky clean over this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 03, 2016, 01:28:45 AM
Quote from: wba13 on December 02, 2016, 07:12:51 PM
Probably a London Judge and from what i`ve read he is not going to appeal but something has gone on and he`s been advised to keep his mouth closed at present but over the cause of time things will come out something went on at Palace to make him behave like he did i dought if Parish is squeaky clean over this.
wasnt this high court judgment his appeal? So he'd be appealing his appeal if he said anything?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 03, 2016, 07:55:55 AM
Quote from: wba13 on December 02, 2016, 07:12:51 PM
Probably a London Judge and from what i`ve read he is not going to appeal but something has gone on and he`s been advised to keep his mouth closed at present but over the cause of time things will come out something went on at Palace to make him behave like he did i dought if Parish is squeaky clean over this.

Sorry probably not a conspiracy against Pulis. There might be further avenues for him to appeal but I doubt he will take them the quickest way to close down questions at the press conference was the  "I've been advised not to say anything" line.

Plainly he thought he had done nothing wrong Palace went to arbitration won and were awarded punitive damages which means the panel thought that Pulis was in the wrong and had acted dishonestly. Pulis appealed and the judge found against him it ought to be the end of the matter, and Pulis probably just needs to move on.

On the subject of moving on it would appear that the board are taking the line most predicted and are not viewing it as an issue which impacts his current employment with us. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 03, 2016, 08:27:43 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 03, 2016, 07:55:55 AM
Sorry probably not a conspiracy against Pulis. There might be further avenues for him to appeal but I doubt he will take them the quickest way to close down questions at the press conference was the  "I've been advised not to say anything" line.

Plainly he thought he had done nothing wrong Palace went to arbitration won and were awarded punitive damages which means the panel thought that Pulis was in the wrong and had acted dishonestly. Pulis appealed and the judge found against him it ought to be the end of the matter, and Pulis probably just needs to move on.

On the subject of moving on it would appear that the board are taking the line most predicted and are not viewing it as an issue which impacts his current employment with us.

Tend to agree with you, it just leaves a few doubts in your mind though..... it does me anyway. Saw him at the news conference yesterday and again he came across as plausible. He has clearly taken a hit and I hope that there is another side to it, but I am not seeing it....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on December 03, 2016, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 03, 2016, 07:55:55 AM
Sorry probably not a conspiracy against Pulis. There might be further avenues for him to appeal but I doubt he will take them the quickest way to close down questions at the press conference was the  "I've been advised not to say anything" line.

Plainly he thought he had done nothing wrong Palace went to arbitration won and were awarded punitive damages which means the panel thought that Pulis was in the wrong and had acted dishonestly. Pulis appealed and the judge found against him it ought to be the end of the matter, and Pulis probably just needs to move on.

On the subject of moving on it would appear that the board are taking the line most predicted and are not viewing it as an issue which impacts his current employment with us.


I'm by no means a contract law specialist, but I would imagine it would be very difficult for WBAFC to use the evidence from TP's civil case with CPFC as grounds for terminating his contract. It would have been different if there had been proven criminality.
On the other hand, I'd be surprised if the incident wasn't logged somewhere in our records, as supporting evidence, in the event that a similar case arose with us.
What is particularly damning, in my opinion, is the Justices descriptions of TP's actions as "disgusting & deceitful".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 03, 2016, 11:09:40 AM
Probably about right John. I will be interested to see the reaction today, and also the long term effect it has [if any] on the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 03, 2016, 05:07:01 PM
Well done Mr Pulis, sir, half way to target number 1.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on December 03, 2016, 05:11:44 PM
We are trading in the clean sheets for more goals this year. And people say Tony can't change the plan up  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on December 03, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Time to get this crook out of our club,and bring in an honest manager like Big Sam,Arry or Fergie. Ryan Giggs anyone? ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on December 03, 2016, 05:56:20 PM
His style has been better before today's game, but what an amazing ladder that we are ahead of Man Unite on goals SCORED...

Holy cow!!!

He has frustrated me so many times, but he has done exactly what he has been employed to do so far add some real quality like a carvahlo and perhaps another wide option (though that two have been very good recently) and this is looking like a good team.

Hats off, he has far exceeded my expectations to date this year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on December 03, 2016, 06:02:56 PM
Quote from: divinewind on December 03, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Time to get this crook out of our club,and bring in an honest manager like Big Sam,Arry or Fergie. Ryan Giggs anyone? ;)
think we should stick with crooked tony ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 03, 2016, 07:25:58 PM
Always said that Pulis won't be fully appreciated until he's gone and we appoint some muppet. Keep up the good work TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on December 03, 2016, 08:25:31 PM
Has our tone reached his pinnacle?
Could we go even higher?
Is this the highest place he's ever reached with any of his clubs?
Do we dare to dream?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 03, 2016, 08:48:06 PM
divinwind get off your high horse and support the Albion for a change the present manager is doing a great job right now along with most fans are supporting how were doing except for some small minded fans who don`t like Pulis well tough you will have to put up with him for quite a while ONWARDS AND UPWARDS ANOTHER GREAT RESULT TODAY
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on December 03, 2016, 08:52:21 PM
Quote from: wba13 on December 03, 2016, 08:48:06 PM
divinwind get off your high horse and support the Albion for a change the present manager is doing a great job right now along with most fans are supporting how were doing except for some small minded fans who don`t like Pulis well tough you will have to put up with him for quite a while ONWARDS AND UPWARDS ANOTHER GREAT RESULT TODAY

Irony is wasted on you isn't it?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on December 03, 2016, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: wba13 on December 03, 2016, 08:48:06 PM
divinwind get off your high horse and support the Albion for a change the present manager is doing a great job right now along with most fans are supporting how were doing except for some small minded fans who don`t like Pulis well tough you will have to put up with him for quite a while ONWARDS AND UPWARDS ANOTHER GREAT RESULT TODAY
I am not small minded, i just don't like pulis or his football that's my prerogative as a paying supporter!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 03, 2016, 09:05:03 PM
Quote from: albion59 on December 03, 2016, 09:03:56 PM
I am not small minded, i just don't like pulis or his football that's my prerogative as a paying supporter!

We're sixth in the league FFS  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on December 03, 2016, 09:13:44 PM
Quote from: wba13 on December 03, 2016, 08:48:06 PM
divinwind get off your high horse and support the Albion for a change the present manager is doing a great job right now along with most fans are supporting how were doing except for some small minded fans who don`t like Pulis well tough you will have to put up with him for quite a while ONWARDS AND UPWARDS ANOTHER GREAT RESULT TODAY

With all due respect and that's your opinion like we are all entitled to... but just because someone doesn't like pulis it doesn't mean they are small minded.

I dislike pulis, i have never liked him at any club purely down to the way he is BUT, whilst he is putting out our strongest team.. and by that i mean putting out the players that are currently playing well and actually giving it a go instead of just choosing his favourite players that are sh*te, i will support him regardless of the result, win lose or draw.

What i can't support is when we are playing teams around and below our level, playing negative hoof ball and still not getting a good result.

Another 3 points, we saw us score 3 goals, we didn't see the best performance but he and the team all gave it a go and got the job done and got us higher up the table so you have to give him credit for that.... aslong as he keeps this up then im sure he will change the thoughts of alot of people... after all, there are a handful that are stubborn and it may take more than 3/4 good performances to make everyone fall in love with him. ;D

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 03, 2016, 09:59:23 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on December 03, 2016, 09:13:44 PM
With all due respect and that's your opinion like we are all entitled to... but just because someone doesn't like pulis it doesn't mean they are small minded.

I dislike pulis, i have never liked him at any club purely down to the way he is BUT, whilst he is putting out our strongest team.. and by that i mean putting out the players that are currently playing well and actually giving it a go instead of just choosing his favourite players that are sh*te, i will support him regardless of the result, win lose or draw.

What i can't support is when we are playing teams around and below our level, playing negative hoof ball and still not getting a good result.

Another 3 points, we saw us score 3 goals, we didn't see the best performance but he and the team all gave it a go and got the job done and got us higher up the table so you have to give him credit for that.... aslong as he keeps this up then im sure he will change the thoughts of alot of people... after all, there are a handful that are stubborn and it may take more than 3/4 good performances to make everyone fall in love with him. ;D
Nothing like any manager/coach  with half a brain cell would do. Difference is Pulis knows the job inside out.Gets my vote despite the rankers wanting him out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 03, 2016, 10:57:08 PM
No need to fall in love with him but it`s about time you PULIS haters  apprieciated the job he`s doing at the Hawthorns. You slag him of for the players he`s bought in the summer transfer window NYOM found his feet been outstanding in last month PHILLIPS see NYOM CHADLI been superb KANU done whats asked when he comes on GALLAWAY did`nt do enough in his first few matches So its about time he got the praise he deserves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 04, 2016, 12:06:22 AM
Top 4 finish for the Baggies in the offing?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on December 04, 2016, 12:21:39 AM
Quote from: wba13 on December 03, 2016, 10:57:08 PM
No need to fall in love with him but it`s about time you PULIS haters  apprieciated the job he`s doing at the Hawthorns. You slag him of for the players he`s bought in the summer transfer window NYOM found his feet been outstanding in last month PHILLIPS see NYOM CHADLI been superb KANU done whats asked when he comes on GALLAWAY did`nt do enough in his first few matches So its about time he got the praise he deserves.

I'm not a pulis 'hater', he seems like a great genuine guy... but like ive also said, whilst he's doing right for the club, playing the correct players and giving us something to smile about i WILL support him the same as i would support any guy in charge doing the right thing. It's when he sets us up to play negative football and still not get a result what most people are against when the majority of the time we have a chance of getting something out the games.

I haven't slagged him off for the players he has bought, i said somewhere on here to someone else that NYOM needs to be given a chance which every new recruit deserves and also mentioned id like to see kanu more.

We all have different opinions, you need to learn to accept that withouth insulting people... im among a good fair few that has praised pulis for the job he has done in recent weeks that maybe wanted him out 2 months ago.

All we are asking for is more of what we have seen in the last 3/4 games or so, no more negative approach, we have the players to cause teams problems.. which shows when we are able to bring the likes of chadli and McClean on off the bench to have an impact.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 04, 2016, 12:27:11 AM
 Christ alive, how could anyone lack the braincells to realise divinewinds post was extremely tongue in cheek. I worry about you, wba13
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 04, 2016, 08:41:52 AM
I have always said that I wanted to see a sustained improvement in our performances (not results) and at least some attacking intent particularly against the Division's lesser lights. Over the last four games I have to confess that has been there.

Credit to Pulis for moving to inverted wingers which has moved us from a rather rigid and predictable 4-4-1-1 to a more fluid 4-2-3-1, albeit one that at times still drops too deep and could still keep the ball better. It is no coincidence that Matt Phillips in particular has benefited from the switch.

The question now is will it be sustained? There are a tougher run of games coming up and it will take courage to persist with this approach. Not that I am advocating going toe to toe with Chelsea but at least trying to hurt them is going to be a lot more productive than sitting passively and waiting for the inevitable to happen then frantically try to force something from the game in the dying minutes.

At the moment for the first time since his arrival I feel we might be heading somewhere worthwhile and perhaps bringing in reinforcements won't simply be wasting money and talent in a tactical black hole.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on December 04, 2016, 09:01:50 AM
Quote from: wba13 on December 03, 2016, 10:57:08 PM
No need to fall in love with him but it`s about time you PULIS haters  apprieciated the job he`s doing at the Hawthorns. You slag him of for the players he`s bought in the summer transfer window NYOM found his feet been outstanding in last month PHILLIPS see NYOM CHADLI been superb KANU done whats asked when he comes on GALLAWAY did`nt do enough in his first few matches So its about time he got the praise he deserves.

We're giving Pulis credit for the summer transfer window now are we? At the time I remember most were saying what a shambolic window it was, & the board handn't backed the manager.



Quote
Our Head Coach Tony Pulis is very selective and particular about the players he recruits so it follows that the new team members will add significantly to his first-team options. Tony wanted five and we got five.
Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/statement-west-brom-albion-chairman-john-williams-3286506.aspx#WIPiGqxA1sdcGi43.99
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 04, 2016, 10:09:14 AM
He wasn't backed though. The "five" thing didn't add up at all and we still rely too heavily on Rondon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 04, 2016, 11:39:32 AM
Let's not get too carried away just yet. Thankfully we have been taking points off clubs we really should be this season hence our current league standing but it's only a couple of wins for rival clubs to move up the league and a couple of losses for us to drop a few places and that is the nature of the league. Fingers crossed we can keep the points ticking over in the coming months and then maybe reevaluate our targets for the season but I have very few complaints about our current form and style of play.

It comes as no surprise to me that since players like Brunt and Morrison have returned to the side results have improved, with those two they have the ability to keep possession more than others do and are always looking forward when trying to pass the ball. Make one or two quality additions in key areas this January and hopefully we'll be in for a successful season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on December 04, 2016, 11:55:14 AM
The Tony Pulis song seems to be being sung by more and more each week. Is he winning over some of those who were against him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 04, 2016, 12:25:24 PM
I havn`t insulted anyone just putting my unbiased opinion across  ;D if you lot can`t see i`m having fun i`m sorry but thats the way i am.The only thing that bothers me is why slag of our team at anytime  I thought we were supposed to be on the same boat. yes I get disapointed  but for God`s sake were 6th in the premiership  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 04, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
It's a great run of form and I think deserved as we weren't playing badly before the run of wins.  It's nice to see us have more of a go and playing some nice stuff at times.

Still, feet on the ground needed really.  Hopefully we can push on from here and hold on to a top half finish. Would be well pleased with that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 04, 2016, 06:06:43 PM
Players really like him first thing they did when he arrived for training after the court case was hand him a dustbin lid full off coins to help pay his fine. If thats not a group who get on and enjoy each others company i don`t know what is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 04, 2016, 06:31:16 PM
Quote from: wba13 on December 04, 2016, 06:06:43 PM
Players really like him first thing they did when he arrived for training after the court case was hand him a dustbin lid full off coins to help pay his fine. If thats not a group who get on and enjoy each others company i don`t know what is.
Dustbin lid full of coins from blokes earning tens of thousand a week? Taking the pee. (Genuine or not, who really knows?)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on December 04, 2016, 07:44:11 PM
Quote from: wba13 on December 04, 2016, 06:06:43 PM
Players really like him first thing they did when he arrived for training after the court case was hand him a dustbin lid full off coins to help pay his fine. If thats not a group who get on and enjoy each others company i don`t know what is.

Sorry mate but a dustbin lid full of coins is not going to help pay his £3.7 million debt to Palace!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 04, 2016, 08:04:00 PM
Can`t you lot see the players were having a laugh at Pulis`s expense and he laughed along.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on December 04, 2016, 08:09:52 PM
Quote from: wba13 on December 04, 2016, 08:04:00 PM
Can`t you lot see the players were having a laugh at Pulis`s expense and he laughed along.

Fair do's mate but as you said to help pay his fine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 04, 2016, 08:32:46 PM
If it's true about the coins the it's a joke ffs. Just dressing room banter. They don't seriously think £30 of coins is going to help pay off a fine in the millions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 04, 2016, 08:33:55 PM
Some classic posts on this page  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 04, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
Quote from: wba13 on December 04, 2016, 06:06:43 PM
Players really like him first thing they did when he arrived for training after the court case was hand him a dustbin lid full off coins to help pay his fine. If thats not a group who get on and enjoy each others company i don`t know what is.

Anyone who thought this post was saying the players like Pulis so they had a whip round to help him pay off his debt, go and take yourselves for a walk round the block.

If on the other hand you thought the above post was highlighting good spirit in the squad then well done (this shouldn't need saying)

I despair how some of you get through daily life at times...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on December 04, 2016, 10:09:33 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 04, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
Anyone who thought this post was saying the players like Pulis so they had a whip round to help him pay off his debt, go and take yourselves for a walk round the block.

If on the other hand you thought the above post was highlighting good spirit in the squad then well done (this shouldn't need saying)

I despair how some of you get through daily life at times...
One gold star for me then  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 05, 2016, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 04, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
It's a great run of form and I think deserved as we weren't playing badly before the run of wins.  It's nice to see us have more of a go and playing some nice stuff at times.

Still, feet on the ground needed really.  Hopefully we can push on from here and hold on to a top half finish. Would be well pleased with that.
Let's face it, the points total will, most probably, end up around and about the same as last year but, if we keep up the attacking intent that we have seen in recent weeks, I will be more than happy.
If we were to up the points tally and challenge top half, then even better.
Would swap it all for a cup final though!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on December 05, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
our run in form has coincided nicely with the return of morrison and brunt to the line up. Real quality players that have repaid us 10 times over their cost.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 05, 2016, 11:33:18 AM
When we play Man U it will be a top half 6 pointer!  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on December 05, 2016, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: Doobuy on December 05, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
our run in form has coincided nicely with the return of morrison and brunt to the line up. Real quality players that have repaid us 10 times over their cost.

Funny you should say that, Morrison was woeful saturday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on December 05, 2016, 11:40:03 AM
It's not just the return of Brunt and Morrison....a run of winnable games helps. Obviously a near fully fit squad and competition for places is a major help.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 05, 2016, 11:45:03 AM
Actually having competition for places is pretty good TBH..... not really used to that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on December 05, 2016, 11:48:56 AM
Giving the lads more freedom has definitely improved us as has his attack minded substitutions maybe a leopard can change its spots ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on December 05, 2016, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on December 05, 2016, 11:45:03 AM
Actually having competition for places is pretty good TBH..... not really used to that.

Agreed. I think we are underestimating the improvement caused by the ability to rotate the squad and have a few players fighting for first team positions. At the start of the season it was almost the same 11 every game, with very little changes. Brunt and Morrisson coming back and playing well has increased the pressure to perform on Mcclean, Philips and even Chadli, Fletcher and Yacob to an extent I feel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on December 06, 2016, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: Morany on December 05, 2016, 11:36:00 AM
Funny you should say that, Morrison was woeful saturday

Yet has been arguably our best player since his return to the team!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dubliner on December 06, 2016, 02:30:38 PM
Reassessing Tony Pulis - https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2016/dec/06/tony-pulis-west-brom-stoke-city?CMP=twt_gu
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on December 06, 2016, 05:12:39 PM
Quote from: AshD on December 06, 2016, 01:09:58 PM
Yet has been arguably our best player since his return to the team!

good in 2 anonymous in 1 and poor in1 arguably not our best in any
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Big Al on December 07, 2016, 09:49:13 AM
Tony's right hand man Dave Kemp thinking of retiring at the end of the season?

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/862075982?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on December 07, 2016, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: Big Al on December 07, 2016, 09:49:13 AM
Tony's right hand man Dave Kemp thinking of retiring at the end of the season?

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/862075982?-11200:789:0

How will you be able to tell?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on December 07, 2016, 10:38:24 AM
You are always told to learn to defend before you learn to attack. Most top managers do that and get the keeper and defence right first.
Pulis took over a ragged disjointed side that had an unhappy dressing room and was plummeting out of the premiership.
People forget how the players took the micky out of Mel,who i thought was a decent bloke, and then Irvine, another nice bloke but totally out of his depth.
Pulis was brought in to keep us in the money league while Peace offloaded us.
He got us very hard to beat and we were hardly bettered when it came to clean sheets. But i think maybe he got too intent on the defence at the expense of the attack, or maybe he still wasn't happy with the side.
Hopefully now, he feels he has got the defence right and is concentrating on going forward. He has said on numerous occasions he wants to build something here, and he isn't just talking about a consistent premiership club. He is talking about the clubs long term future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 07, 2016, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: Big Al on December 07, 2016, 09:49:13 AM
Tony's right hand man Dave Kemp thinking of retiring at the end of the season?

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/862075982?-11200:789:0


had enough of those legs anyway
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 07, 2016, 10:57:45 AM
Quote from: Big Al on December 07, 2016, 09:49:13 AM
Tony's right hand man Dave Kemp thinking of retiring at the end of the season?

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/862075982?-11200:789:0
Thought it was strange he had trousers on last Saturday. Probably developed a varicose vein and can't bear the shame!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 07, 2016, 01:02:05 PM
I believe you are correct divinewind but i would just add that he has now got some attack minded forwards with pace who he believes in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on December 07, 2016, 04:16:53 PM
Don't forget as well it wasn't until October that Peace finally relinquished control of the club, until then he was still Pulis's boss and Pulis was still following his instructions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 07, 2016, 06:34:33 PM
very true lets nope the shackles are well and truly off as wev`e been a breath of fresh air in the last month or so hopefully the TV lovers will start to come back
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 07, 2016, 08:16:59 PM
Quote from: divinewind on December 07, 2016, 10:38:24 AM
You are always told to learn to defend before you learn to attack. Most top managers do that and get the keeper and defence right first.
Pulis took over a ragged disjointed side that had an unhappy dressing room and was plummeting out of the premiership.
People forget how the players took the micky out of Mel,who i thought was a decent bloke, and then Irvine, another nice bloke but totally out of his depth.
Pulis was brought in to keep us in the money league while Peace offloaded us.
He got us very hard to beat and we were hardly bettered when it came to clean sheets. But i think maybe he got too intent on the defence at the expense of the attack, or maybe he still wasn't happy with the side.
Hopefully now, he feels he has got the defence right and is concentrating on going forward. He has said on numerous occasions he wants to build something here, and he isn't just talking about a consistent premiership club. He is talking about the clubs long term future.
Best post I have read on here this thread.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 07, 2016, 09:45:22 PM
Agreed, gloster.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 07, 2016, 10:16:20 PM
I think a lot is to do with Rondon as well. He didn't have the best of seasons last year but this year he's looked brilliant.  Worth every penny.

I'm not blaming Rondon there, just that with Berahino being an idiot and the other striking options being poor we had to rely on Rondon too much too early.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 08, 2016, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 07, 2016, 10:16:20 PM
I think a lot is to do with Rondon as well. He didn't have the best of seasons last year but this year he's looked brilliant.  Worth every penny.

I'm not blaming Rondon there, just that with Berahino being an idiot and the other striking options being poor we had to rely on Rondon too much too early.
Rondon has been a beast this season but, the fact that he had a poor game against Watford and we still scored 3, shows how much our approach has changed in the past few weeks. Brunt and Phillips have played a massive part in that but credit also to Pulis for finally showing a bit of courage.
The way Rondon gets clobbered, he can't be expected to play every game so another quality striker, in January, is a must.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 08, 2016, 10:59:04 AM
Sorry was`nt poor against watford  got kicked from pillar to post but still went back for more a good performance
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on December 11, 2016, 02:51:27 PM
By no means a Pulis convert but he has been swaying my opinion the past 5 games. Intent to actually attack during games is a big help. We seem to have a plan now and are combining a solid foundation with decent counter-attacking football. Still need lots of work on keeping the ball and, imo, Chadli has to start regardless, but compared to September there are lots more promising signs.

We have to back him with quality in January and next summer though, 3-4 Chadli/Evans type players from a very decent side.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 11, 2016, 03:37:04 PM
Thought the gameplan was pretty spot on and it worked (right up until it didnt).

Think he should make the subs before we go a goal down, affect the game before it is taken away from us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on December 11, 2016, 03:41:07 PM
He got his tactics spot on today, unlucky.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 11, 2016, 03:57:05 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on December 11, 2016, 03:37:04 PM
Thought the gameplan was pretty spot on and it worked (right up until it didnt).

Think he should make the subs before we go a goal down, affect the game before it is taken away from us.

The subs were ready to come on when they scored so I think we were going to make those changes anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 11, 2016, 03:58:33 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 11, 2016, 03:57:05 PM
The subs were ready to come on when they scored so I think we were going to make those changes anyway.

Thats fair enough. Just a shame really because we played well, apart from a few stray passes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on December 11, 2016, 04:25:24 PM
I think against the top teams at o- o we need to make changes a bit earlier ie around 60/65 mins to give them something to think about
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 11, 2016, 04:39:21 PM
Yeah, I thought JM for Chadli should have been earlier myself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on December 11, 2016, 07:20:56 PM
One mistake s :Days it all really,  bit gutted we havent left with a point, we're not doing too bad really considering how strong Chelsea have been recently
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 11, 2016, 09:27:50 PM
Really happy with the positivity in our play - noticeable today the amount of players that got in their penalty area for both the first and second ball.

We have been very enjoyable to watch in recent weeks and I hope this is the foundation we have set going forwards. Having some natural footballers in the side has certainly helped but with a remit a bit more than relegation, it certainly appears that Pulis is willing to adapt his approach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fatboy_coach on December 11, 2016, 09:39:57 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on December 11, 2016, 09:27:50 PM
Really happy with the positivity in our play - noticeable today the amount of players that got in their penalty area for both the first and second ball.

We have been very enjoyable to watch in recent weeks and I hope this is the foundation we have set going forwards. Having some natural footballers in the side has certainly helped but with a remit a bit more than relegation, it certainly appears that Pulis is willing to adapt his approach.

This is the key for me, and others I'm sure, that for all of the stick we've given him for being a dinosaur/leopard can't change it's spots/etc he's changed our approach and mindset. We're trying to press higher where we can, get the ball down and play and still look tight at the back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 11, 2016, 09:45:42 PM
Quote from: fatboy_coach on December 11, 2016, 09:39:57 PM
This is the key for me, and others I'm sure, that for all of the stick we've given him for being a dinosaur/leopard can't change it's spots/etc he's changed our approach and mindset. We're trying to press higher where we can, get the ball down and play and still look tight at the back.

And that's all his critics ever wanted (myself included).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 11, 2016, 10:24:44 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on December 11, 2016, 09:45:42 PM
And that's all his critics ever wanted (myself included).

Agreed, I'm very happy the football seems to be improving. Let's hope we continue down this path.

Football-wise I'm very happy. This is afterall a football chat site.

Love that Albion are doing well, will never want anything but Pulis gone. You've got to have standards.

Comment edited, as you said yourself "football" site - OldburyWBA
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on December 11, 2016, 11:46:07 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on December 11, 2016, 09:45:42 PM
And that's all his critics ever wanted (myself included).

To True Liam
A big percentage of Albion fans thought that he was the right man to take charge at that time given the mess that we were in & hoped we would see more of the Crystal Palace style of footy from him than the Stoke City type.
Job one (survival) compleat he moved on to step 2 which got off to a buffering start but then we started to get into the Stoke city type of play which pi--ed of most of us but i think TP could see his way was losing not only the fans but possibly the new owner, but what ever it was this more balanced style of attack & defence will win him more fans than the latter. Long may it continue.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Uncle Peter on December 12, 2016, 10:40:42 AM
Probably would have seen a quicker transition in to the style of football we see today if he'd have had more support for players from Jeremy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lindenbaggie on December 12, 2016, 11:00:25 AM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on December 11, 2016, 10:24:44 PM
Agreed, I'm very happy the football seems to be improving. Let's hope we continue down this path.

Football-wise I'm very happy. This is afterall a football chat site.

Love that Albion are doing well, will never want anything but Pulis gone. You've got to have standards.

Comment edited, as you said yourself "football" site - OldburyWBA

People like Pulis are on good money, but still on a hiding to nothing from day one. The owners' first requirement is to stay in the Premiership. whilst fans are clamouring for good entertainment. Any three teams from possibly twelve can still be relegated this season, so the pressures on these managers must be enormous. I take my hat off to these guys rather than those like Hoddle who just state the obvious from a couch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on December 12, 2016, 11:53:30 AM
The better the quality of players on the ball the better the results.
A couple of top quality players in the January sale will see us really push on with a confidence not seen for a few years.
Solid at the back,strong and creative midfield and a fast and decisive attack.
Not much to ask is it,we have the money to buy big now.
The question is, getting the players signed and ready to hit the ground running,can he do it this time?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on December 12, 2016, 08:24:40 PM
Quote from: lindenbaggie on December 12, 2016, 11:00:25 AM
People like Pulis are on good money, but still on a hiding to nothing from day one. The owners' first requirement is to stay in the Premiership. whilst fans are clamouring for good entertainment. Any three teams from possibly twelve can still be relegated this season, so the pressures on these managers must be enormous. I take my hat off to these guys rather than those like Hoddle who just state the obvious from a couch.
Irrelevant really but at least Hoddle has tried the coaching game over a number of years, unlike some others.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on December 13, 2016, 04:20:56 PM
IMHO a pass and pose merchant as a player, grossly overrated. As a coach very prone to adapt tactics and ideas that might catch the eye and would be talked about by the meeja but which had very little effect, poseur again.  And an expert purveyor of male bovine excrement as a pundit. Always was and will be a waste of fresh air.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on December 13, 2016, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: wodenson46 on December 13, 2016, 04:20:56 PM
IMHO a pass and pose merchant as a player, grossly overrated. As a coach very prone to adapt tactics and ideas that might catch the eye and would be talked about by the meeja but which had very little effect, poseur again.  And an expert purveyor of male bovine excrement as a pundit. Always was and will be a waste of fresh air.
Each to his own - can't deny the bloke had talent and was worth watching...at least he has a background as an international player and coach so can't say he's not fit to pass comment. Do you prefer Paul Ince ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 13, 2016, 07:33:55 PM
Quote from: lindenbaggie on December 12, 2016, 11:00:25 AM
People like Pulis are on good money, but still on a hiding to nothing from day one. The owners' first requirement is to stay in the Premiership. whilst fans are clamouring for good entertainment. Any three teams from possibly twelve can still be relegated this season, so the pressures on these managers must be enormous. I take my hat off to these guys rather than those like Hoddle who just state the obvious from a couch.

Tell you what, as much as I don't like him, I'll give you that! Gary Neville showed us how much harder fighting a good fight is compared to talking one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 14, 2016, 11:05:40 PM
To all you Pulis haters get off your arses and come and watch our free scoring side Pulis is a bloody good manager and a few sides would like to have him  as there manager  you Pulis haters don`t know a good thing when you got one 7th GREAT
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on December 15, 2016, 02:29:13 AM
TP's after match interview very telling....Academy will play a significant part in the club's future..with youngsters out on loan to learn the ropes and toughen up before coming back... ..money is available for windows but won't be thrown at the market like confetti. ..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on December 15, 2016, 03:01:26 AM
I think we are currently the 5th highest scoring home team in the league. Tony just giving the fans what they want  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on December 15, 2016, 08:52:16 AM
Quote from: liverbaggie on December 12, 2016, 11:53:30 AM
The better the quality of players on the ball the better the results.
A couple of top quality players in the January sale will see us really push on with a confidence not seen for a few years.
Solid at the back,strong and creative midfield and a fast and decisive attack.
Not much to ask is it,we have the money to buy big now.
The question is, getting the players signed and ready to hit the ground running,can he do it this time?

Couple of signings that will improve the team will do me, create competition for places and bring the best out of players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ian66 on December 15, 2016, 09:27:40 AM
To all the people knocking the Pulis haters.

My stance on it is this. I applauded his appointment (coming up to his 2nd anniversary), the team on the pitch was a shambles after a few bad appointments, we were going in one direction. He did what he does best and got some great results to keep us up, ugly yes...but I could accept that. The following season pretty much the same but we got the points on the board early and never looked like serious relegation candidates. However, FA Cup performances were shockingly embarrassing against teams a lot lower than us. His tactics were pretty much like some of our league performances, don't loose!! This is the FA Cup for gods sake have a go, give the fans something different, other than grinding out results in the league to survive. Reading away FA Cup...say no more!! What got me with last season was we had no intent against teams around us or below us, But the other low was when we played the Villa at the Hawthorns and we approached the game with no desire to win. Vile were getting beat week in week out...

Anyway this season I've been  more than happy and I'm glad to be proved wrong as yeah I admit I wanted Pulis out after I fell out of love with him after the Reading fiasco and the poor end to last season.

Well done Tony for turning it around and we are seeing football under your leadership I never imagined. I am a ST holder along with my 22yo Daughter and 10yo Son. Up until our recent good run I've had to bribe my 10yo to attend the matches, but now his actually enjoying it and can't wait till the next game...long may it continue!!!

The key to all this for me is ENTERTAINMENT, that's all I ask for with The Hawthorns being a fortress.

COYB!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 15, 2016, 09:44:26 AM
Quote from: wba13 on December 14, 2016, 11:05:40 PM
To all you Pulis haters get off your arses and come and watch our free scoring side Pulis is a bloody good manager and a few sides would like to have him  as there manager  you Pulis haters don`t know a good thing when you got one 7th GREAT

You won't get a reply from them they have gone into hiding, until we next lose a game.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 15, 2016, 09:49:53 AM
For 18 months Pulis was doing what Peace asked him to do keep us in the Prem at any cost now Mr Lai has asked him to play to the Albion strengths so that we can showcase us to the chineese public to do it any other way i believe he would have been out  Well that`s my humble opinion anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 15, 2016, 09:53:38 AM
Alternatively, we now have Brunt and Morrison fit and available, Chadli who is a level above the quality we had before and a confident Phillips and can finally get decent service into the box and we are punishing teams.

Correct me if I am wrong, but nothing much has changed about our general style of play, we still only had 39% possession at home to a team at the bottom of the league last night. I am loving the goals and wins as much as the next man but at some stage we will be punished for our lack of ball retention in every game, we can't always score a set piece to go 1-0 up and settle the nerves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 15, 2016, 09:56:47 AM
In my opinion.

Pulis deserved criticism last season. The football was really really boring. I don't know why wanting to be entertained when watching something thats supposed to exist as an activity of entertainment make you a 'hater'

This season, especially the last 10 games, the football has been far more entertaining.

I was also very impressed with the lineup selection, tactics and substitutions vs Chelsea. (he got it much more spot on than he did last night)

He's definitely now has more confidence in his players than he did last season to go out and play which is nice to see. The squad is also much better though so a lack of attacking belief was understandable.

The acquisitions of Chadli and Phillips have made a huge impact on our change in playing style. They are a big big upgrade on Sess and Saido
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on December 15, 2016, 10:10:29 AM
the new players are the key to progress. but fans always seem to what five or six signings, when 1 or 2 will make no end of difference if they become the first choice. so many teams make the mistake of signing too many players and using a season to work out how they will fit in. I like the idea that we get 1 or 2 in a year that genuinely improve the squad. It's not what people are used to on the playstation but it keeps stability and doesnt risk the future of the club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 15, 2016, 10:26:24 AM
Quote from: wba13 on December 15, 2016, 09:49:53 AM
For 18 months Pulis was doing what Peace asked him to do keep us in the Prem at any cost now Mr Lai has asked him to play to the Albion strengths so that we can showcase us to the chineese public to do it any other way i believe he would have been out  Well that`s my humble opinion anyway.
I agree. He mentioned "the Chinese" in his post match interview and explained that they gave him a contract straight away and highlighted that they wanted steady progression but, I think somewhere in there, they must have raised concerns about the quality of the football and entertainment. Seems too much of a coincidence otherwise.
Whatever the reasons, it's a blessing. I've never been a Pulis fan because of his methods, but, let's be honest, what we are seeing at present is not the "Pulis way" so maybe a leopard can change it's spots. Here's hoping so anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on December 15, 2016, 11:04:01 AM
Quote from: gavinrussell on December 15, 2016, 02:29:13 AM
TP's after match interview very telling....Academy will play a significant part in the club's future..with youngsters out on loan to learn the ropes and toughen up before coming back... ..money is available for windows but won't be thrown at the market like confetti. ..

It was a telling interview. I think people who are expecting us to spend big in January will be very disappointed in February..

RE the youngsters, the best solution would be to get them games for our first team but for obvious (and sensible) reasons that won't happen. Be interesting to see how many Pulis trusts going forward because we have a number of supposedly very talented youngesters now (Leko, Roberts, Campbell, Field, Harper, Wilson + others).

Also sounds like he had a real go at the players at half time with the "main players stepping up". Mr Fletcher certainly seemed to come out fired up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on December 15, 2016, 04:37:51 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on December 15, 2016, 09:53:38 AM

Correct me if I am wrong, but nothing much has changed about our general style of play, we still only had 39% possession at home to a team at the bottom of the league last night. I am loving the goals and wins as much as the next man but at some stage we will be punished for our lack of ball retention in every game, we can't always score a set piece to go 1-0 up and settle the nerves.

I mean there are more people in the box now when the ball goes out wide. Now there are more times when it's Rondon+ 2 or 3 other players in the box rather than like the Borough game where it was like 1 person in the box. We will always have terrible possession because TP is fine with the other team having the ball at the half way line because they aren't much of a threat to score from there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 15, 2016, 07:15:10 PM
Quote from: Adder on December 12, 2016, 08:24:40 PM
Irrelevant really but at least Hoddle has tried the coaching game over a number of years, unlike some others.

and has been noticeably inept, matching his innane commentary
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on December 15, 2016, 08:24:23 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on December 15, 2016, 07:15:10 PM
and has been noticeably inept, matching his innane commentary

Can't stand the man for his arrogance, but his England managerial record was far better than most
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 16, 2016, 08:05:58 AM
Quote from: Legend on December 15, 2016, 09:44:26 AM
You won't get a reply from them they have gone into hiding, until we next lose a game.  ;D
I wouldn't fall into the category of "Pulis fan" (I hate no one) but posting less has more to do with giving up my season ticket. I am in less of a position to pass judgement having not been to an Albion match this season and only seen odd bits of live games. For what it is worth, TP will always be the only manager that drove me away from watching the Albion and for that I will probably never be a fan.
His history suggested that he would never change and in the season and a half I continued to put up with him and his footballing beliefs he didn't show any intention of doing so.
Perhaps a court case threatening his financial position, a drop in attendances and a threat to the Albion's income stream with the knock on threat to his position,  the return of seasoned professionals who have rescued managers previously, a convenient run of "winnable" games, an epiphany; has resulted in TP changing his footballing beliefs? I hope so for the sake of West Bromwich Albion Football Club.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 16, 2016, 08:08:42 AM
I was a critic but he has won me round as long as this new approach isn't a flash in a pan.

Always said that it was his tactics and not Pulis himself that I was against.

I also enjoy watching effective counter attacking football, but we weren't doing that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 16, 2016, 09:53:41 AM
I just think it's a case of you can't turn around a football club in 12 months like people wanted.  With Brunt\Morrison coming back combined with the new signings we've got more quality on the pitch now.  Compare the squad to when Pulis took over and the whole Berahino situation.

I would expect our approach would fall back if we suffered a few heavy injuries but we seem to have better depth now as shown by the Swansea game.

I do find it laughable that people think his change of approach is down to needing a few extra quid.  As if he deliberately chooses to play in a way that he thinks will get us less points over the season. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on December 16, 2016, 10:38:31 AM
I'm going to get back to the shrine after xmas,
If all is as is being described on here (quality of football wise) , I will gladly eat my humble pie, my hat and anything else I deserve!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on December 16, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
Quote from: Albionic on December 16, 2016, 10:38:31 AM
I'm going to get back to the shrine after xmas,
If all is as is being described on here (quality of football wise) , I will gladly eat my humble pie, my hat and anything else I deserve!

I haven't watched hardly any Albion this year and we're doing well. If I happen to start watching or going I know I'll jinx it so I shall continue for the good of you all and the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on December 16, 2016, 11:40:34 AM
A QUICK QUESTION having looked at the table has Pulis made us at present the best counter attacking side in the country All the sides above us are possession orientated it was Leicester last season. THOUGHTS
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on December 16, 2016, 11:41:47 AM
Please, no parallels with Leicester last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on December 16, 2016, 12:02:17 PM
I just think were in a rich vein of form and we will have plenty of backs to the walls games

However as we are relying on consistency and levels of performance week in week out from our players there is a good chance this could more than last and we will pick more points along the way this season and not only stay up easily but challenge the top 10 and maybe do well in the cup

The ability to beat teams and be a decent Premier League side is there too see we can do it when we play some football. Counter Attacking is our thing, its exciting to watch breaking at pace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on December 16, 2016, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: wba13 on December 16, 2016, 11:40:34 AM
A QUICK QUESTION having looked at the table has Pulis made us at present the best counter attacking side in the country All the sides above us are possession orientated it was Leicester last season. THOUGHTS

Since pulis has been here, if you watch him on the touchline he's constantly on at the players to get forward, attack attack attack... if you watch him when we have throw ins or the keeper has the ball etc... if they take their time to play the ball he will be going crazy on the touchline.

I think its more to the fact that having signed chadli and phillips it was a big upgrade on what we have had and brunt and morrison coming back into the squad have been like new signings to us.. we now have players that can pass the ball forward when you compare them to the likes off olsson and gardner who only know how to hoof it to the oppositions defence.

We are still having the same amount of possession each game but we now have the players that can counter attack and punish teams whereas last season we were relying on getting a corner or a free kick just to be able to pinch a goal every few weeks.

I couldn't care less if its Pulis, Guardiola or Justin bieber that we have on our touchline aslong as we are playing our best players that are in form and actually trying to win games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 16, 2016, 12:32:48 PM
Quote from: wba13 on December 16, 2016, 11:40:34 AM
A QUICK QUESTION having looked at the table has Pulis made us at present the best counter attacking side in the country All the sides above us are possession orientated it was Leicester last season. THOUGHTS
I think we mix it up a bit and don't just rely on counter attacks, one things for sure we are much better than last season at it. interesting that we never had a corner against Swansea so its good we are finding other means of scoring and not just relying on corners/set pieces and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on December 16, 2016, 02:52:00 PM
I swear he only needs to do 1 press conference for the season. Swap a few names about and it's the same about every team!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 16, 2016, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: Webby on December 16, 2016, 02:52:00 PM
I swear he only needs to do 1 press conference for the season. Swap a few names about and it's the same about every team!

In fairness it's hardly surprising when they ask him the same questions pretty much every week.

It must be just as boring doing a press conference as listening to one.

We could always mix things up a bit though.

Get the two managers in at the same time, set up a trestle table and have them separated by a ball boy.

Make sure there's plenty of water about so they stay hydrated under the press conference lighting.

What could possibly go wrong  ;D ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68M7HJlSS9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68M7HJlSS9M)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 16, 2016, 11:27:09 PM
Tactically let us not kid ourselves, Pulis has absolutely not had an epiphany. There has been a noticeable improvement but the limitations are still there. I cannot remember the last time Foster threw the ball out to start a quick counter the players don't look for it they simply trundle towards the halfway line to take a position for Foster to launch the ball at the head of Dawson to flick on.

We have tentatively moved to a system that offers Rondon more support. That's it no great change in tactics we don't play with the traditional wingers we are little less passive and our pass length has shortened as a consequence. We are still poor at ball retention unless an attack is completed within 4 passes it too frequently breaks down.

I firmly believe that Pulis has been charged with getting a top half finish and to do that he has to get more wins and as such be more positive in his approach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 17, 2016, 12:16:38 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 16, 2016, 11:27:09 PM
I firmly believe that Pulis has been charged with getting a top half finish and to do that he has to get more wins and as such be more positive in his approach.

I wonder what the bonus clauses were in that there new contract  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on December 17, 2016, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on December 17, 2016, 12:16:38 AM
I wonder what the bonus clauses were in that there new contract  ;) .

Hopefully enough to cover that fine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on December 17, 2016, 08:41:30 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 16, 2016, 11:27:09 PM
Tactically let us not kid ourselves that Pulis has absolutely not had an epiphany. There has been a noticeable improvement but the limitations are still there. I cannot remember the last time Foster threw the ball out to start a quick counter the players don't look for it they simply trundle towards the halfway line to take a position for Foster to launch the ball at the head of Dawson to flick on.

We have tentatively moved to a system that offers Rondon more support. That's it no great change in tactics we don't play with the traditional wingers we are little less passive and our pass length has shortened as a consequence. We are still poor at ball retention unless an attack is completed within 4 passes it too frequently breaks down.

I firmly believe that Pulis has been charged with getting a top half finish and to do that he has to get more wins and as such be more positive in his approach.


Agree with that totally, IMO, since August, there has been a siesmic shift towards John Williams & the owners as to who is in charge of the football club, & TP has had to adapt, to his credit, he appears to have done so.
Ironic how a shambolic summer transfer window aimed at the board now turns out to be an inspired Tony Pulis one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 17, 2016, 09:14:26 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on December 17, 2016, 08:41:30 AM

Agree with that totally, IMO, since August, there has been a siesmic shift towards John Williams & the owners as to who is in charge of the football club, & TP has had to adapt, to his credit, he appears to have done so.
Ironic how a shambolic summer transfer window aimed at the board now turns out to be an inspired Tony Pulis one.

And this is fine as far as I'm concerned, Pulis was working to Peace's remit and now he's working to Lai's.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 17, 2016, 09:26:24 AM
The Pulis fan club logic. We think Nyom is rubbish therefore he must have been foisted on TP turns out Nyom ain't all that bad he becomes evidence of TP's brilliance in the transfer market.   :D

In all seriousness a top half finish certainly does require a shift of emphasis in the context of survival in the league you need 40 points to guarantee safety but often less will do and therefore a point is almost never a bad result.  Hence the contrast in approach to playing a struggling Swansea at home. Last season a point was okay this year however it would have been 2 points lost.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 17, 2016, 10:47:31 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 17, 2016, 09:26:24 AM
The Pulis fan club logic. We think Nyom is rubbish therefore he must have been foisted on TP turns out Nyom ain't all that bad he becomes evidence of TP's brilliance in the transfer market.   :D

In all seriousness a top half finish certainly does require a shift of emphasis in the context of survival in the league you need 40 points to guarantee safety but often less will do and therefore a point is almost never a bad result.  Hence the contrast in approach to playing a struggling Swansea at home. Last season a point was okay this year however it would have been 2 points lost.



Or shows that Pulis is getting the best out of an average players abilities.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 17, 2016, 11:15:19 AM
Quote from: Legend on December 17, 2016, 10:47:31 AM
Or shows that Pulis is getting the best out of an average players abilities.

Or Nyom is a Tony Pulis defender. Looks ungainly but ask him to defend as if his life depends on it he will give you that and he must be horrible to play against. Is he the full back of my dreams? No but he fits a Pulis side like a glove.

However the other player that used to fit the Pulis template is James McClean and he has been quietly sidelined in favour of a slightly more progressive and subtle alternative. As I said earlier things have changed for the better the elephant hasn't learnt to dance but he has responded to a new environment. 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 17, 2016, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: Standaman on December 17, 2016, 11:15:19 AM
Or Nyom is a Tony Pulis defender. Looks ungainly but ask him to defend as if his life depends on it he will give you that and he must be horrible to play against. Is he the full back of my dreams? No but he fits a Pulis side like a glove.

However the other player that used to fit the Pulis template is James McClean and he has been quietly sidelined in favour of a slightly more progressive and subtle alternative. As I said earlier things have changed for the better the elephant hasn't learnt to dance but he has responded to a new environment.
Nyom I believe is evidence of Pulis changing his methods slightly , in previous times there's no way we'd have a fullback attack like he does. Take Wednesday night as a example , at 0-0 Nyom surged on to the wrong side of the field leading to Rondons missed one on one.
To say he fits Pulis is wrong , Nyom is nothing like a fullback ( other than height) he's had before , im pleased and mostly entertained lately ....from someone who was critical of Pulis and his methods too last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on December 17, 2016, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: Dexy on December 17, 2016, 12:24:43 PM
Nyom I believe is evidence of Pulis changing his methods slightly , in previous times there's no way we'd have a fullback attack like he does. Take Wednesday night as a example , at 0-0 Nyom surged on to the wrong side of the field leading to Rondons missed one on one.
To say he fits Pulis is wrong , Nyom is nothing like a fullback ( other than height) he's had before , im pleased and mostly entertained lately ....from someone who was critical of Pulis and his methods too last season.
i think its because Nyom is far more rapid than any other fullback in the squad so pulis gives him a little more liscence to bomb on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 17, 2016, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on December 17, 2016, 12:30:39 PM
i think its because Nyom is far more rapid than any other fullback in the squad so pulis gives him a little more liscence to bomb on
Poco and Gamboa are quick  ;D , I honestly think Pulis has added some attacking intent , hope it continues.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on December 17, 2016, 12:46:40 PM
A lot made of Pulis and his style but its not the style that has improved its the players, Chadli is a step above and Phillips is playing well .
Brunt and Mozza coming back have made a difference and the defence is tight with Nyom slotting in well.
As people have said a couple of quality additions in January should see further improvement.

Last season we had to put up with a disinterested player upfront and Gardner etc with more minutes on the pitch no wonder we were awful!.
Better squad better starting 11 no magic formula.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 17, 2016, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
Think people are reading too much into it. The game plan as such won't change. Better players will mean more 1 nils than nil nils. More 2-1's than 1-1's. This will keep the majority off the teams back with only a vocal minority still complaining.

It then depends entirely how much we improved the results. A 55 point season for example I think would score Pulis a new deal irrespective of how it comes about.

Posted early season... Borne out thus far. Better players equal better results in the same system.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 17, 2016, 02:06:50 PM
It is not just a question of personnel, there has been a tactical change. The inverted wingers mean the full backs have to get more involved in the game further up the pitch but have the luxury of two covering central midfielders sitting deep. The first results in the improved run of from happened without arguably the only player that really improved us over the summer, Chadli.

If Pulis reverts to the flat 4-4-1-1 then I suspect we would notice the difference or maybe I'm giving him too much credit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on December 18, 2016, 12:18:34 PM
hopefully he knows he needs to address the centre back situation,ollsen a brilliant past servant is not good enough for the premier league anymore,the goal Swansea scored he just fell over in front of there player,i said Manchester united would beat us unless evans was fit,gmac also at fault last 2  games is his age finally catching up with him,personally i would use dawson over  ollsen at centre half,but we definitely need another centre half very soon
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 18, 2016, 12:52:35 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on December 18, 2016, 12:18:34 PM
hopefully he knows he needs to address the centre back situation,ollsen a brilliant past servant is not good enough for the premier league anymore,the goal Swansea scored he just fell over in front of there player,i said Manchester united would beat us unless evans was fit,gmac also at fault last 2  games is his age finally catching up with him,personally i would use dawson over  ollsen at centre half,but we definitely need another centre half very soon
100% this, a striker and a younger CH are the two positions we most need. we've been fortunate so far that Rondons had no serious injury and dread to think what would have happened if he had got injured. two players in Rondon and Evans make this team so much better and cannot imagine how we would look if we lost both for a time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2016, 12:50:04 PM
min of 3 points from the next 2 mr pulis oh and the 4th round
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on December 31, 2016, 05:11:00 PM
When the transfer window shut in September our squad looked thin and I feared for us. I have never been won over by Pulis but respect is due. What he has done with this squad has been great. One of the gripes about Pulis (that makes no sense) is he doesn't develop players. Well Phillips is transformed under him.
I will eat humble pie about Phillips too, he has been the difference this year, the cutting edge we needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on December 31, 2016, 05:35:42 PM
Seems like we have ourselves an excellent manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on December 31, 2016, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: timdon on December 31, 2016, 05:35:42 PM
Seems like we have ourselves an excellent manager

Nobody can dispute that at the moment eh ?

Let's hope the Albion fans who have been staying away come and back this squad on Monday and next week versus Derby ?  They deserve it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 31, 2016, 05:55:16 PM
I'm scared about the Derby game, they're flying at the moment and if we don't approach it in the right manner I can see a difficult game ahead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on December 31, 2016, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 31, 2016, 05:55:16 PM
I'm scared about the Derby game, they're flying at the moment and if we don't approach it in the right manner I can see a difficult game ahead.

I think we've also got another good opportunity now to start HRK and get more minutes under his belt. Also the chance to get on the score sheet again and boost his confidence further.

On today's game, TP got the changes spot on, and obviously what he said at half time worked. Despite the poor first half too, we were still level at the break, so event that can't be seen as a huge failure either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 31, 2016, 06:22:30 PM
Quote from: timdon on December 31, 2016, 05:35:42 PM
Seems like we have ourselves an excellent manager

Fully agree with you Timdon. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 31, 2016, 06:26:24 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 31, 2016, 05:55:16 PM
I'm scared about the Derby game, they're flying at the moment and if we don't approach it in the right manner I can see a difficult game ahead.

After a good start to the season. Not getting through will have undone all our efforts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on December 31, 2016, 07:02:29 PM
Hope those who still avoid the shrine to start coming back and backing the boys. Pulis deserves a lot of credit considering the negativity that has been around and  still lingers among some of our fans.

He's not daft as well he knows when we're playing bad and when we're playing good and I do trust his judgement of character especially Fletcher,  Pulis knows his legs aren't going to last forever but he has that experience and still does possess quality, in reality we need a cm in the ilk of camacho/schneiderlin so Fletcher can take a back up role and fill in here and there.

Snippet of pulis comments:
"First half we were awful really," admitted Pulis. "We sat down, never did anything. Never threw a punch really, when they scored they were the better side.

"The goal before half-time really gave us a lift, and second half thought we were better. Hal scoring early on released all the shackles from the players. In the end we could've won by more."

Fair in his assessment,  really like the bloke hope he can maintain and progress us on this,  surprisingly pleasant start to the season

COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on December 31, 2016, 07:07:55 PM
Quote from: section5 on December 31, 2016, 07:02:29 PM
Hope those who still avoid the shrine to start coming back and backing the boys. Pulis deserves a lot of credit considering the negativity that has been around and  still lingers among some of our fans.

He's not daft as well he knows when we're playing bad and when we're playing good and I do trust his judgement of character especially Fletcher,  Pulis knows his legs aren't going to last forever but he has that experience and still does possess quality, in reality we need a cm in the ilk of camacho/schneiderlin so Fletcher can take a back up role and fill in here and there.

Snippet of pulis comments:
"First half we were awful really," admitted Pulis. "We sat down, never did anything. Never threw a punch really, when they scored they were the better side.

"The goal before half-time really gave us a lift, and second half thought we were better. Hal scoring early on released all the shackles from the players. In the end we could've won by more."

Fair in his assessment,  really like the bloke hope he can maintain and progress us on this,  surprisingly pleasant start to the season

COYB

Agree with his comments, and that he does generally give an honest view of games in his interviews and does seem like a genuine guy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on December 31, 2016, 07:28:32 PM
Quote from: timdon on December 31, 2016, 05:35:42 PM
Seems like we have ourselves an excellent manager
Bang on well said - Certainly up there with Atkinson, Allen and Giles in my book.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 31, 2016, 09:19:07 PM
Never ever doubted him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scruffy Stan on December 31, 2016, 10:49:04 PM
Certainly seems to have been an upturn in performance lately, which TP must take credit for, and obviously some good results and I'm loving the look of the table, so don't start slinging 'Pulis-hater' at me for going against the general jollity, but...

We've talked after several games about how he's sorted things out at half-time, sent them out fired up etc after dire or dodgy first halves. It just seems to me that a real good manager would be doing that before the first whistle, not having to fire-fight halfway through the match. Things are going well at the moment and long may they continue, but there's a weakness there. I hope he sorts it out because I want to see us a stronger team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: THROSTLE79 on December 31, 2016, 11:13:56 PM
Must agree , I will hold
 My hands up and admit I was in the pulis out camp , strongly enough i wouldn't renew my season ticket ( Irvine partly to blame ,atmosphere, odemwingie etc , anelka ) I had  a ticket for Leicester away with my dad as a birthday gift . I wouldn't go because of pulis tactics I hated watching us as much as I hated listening to the pundits knocking us . Now I feel proud again knowing we're rock hard to beat we been great ever since I BELIEVE we can nick something in ANY game now , teams just don't know how to play against us it's great.
I bet on us today 2-1 fully confident !!

HAPPY NEW YEAR
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 01, 2017, 09:38:39 AM
I am perplexed as to why fans who were utterly dismayed by Pulis' approach to the game are so easily  won round. Results are pretty much the same as they were at this stage last season we are 3 points better off but that is nothing after 19 games and we failed to make much headway in the league cup both seasons.

The football has improved and there is more attacking intent although this is fitful and many of the old bugbears are still there for all to see. I wouldn't want anyone to return to the Hawthorns expecting a transformation because they are going to leave disappointed.

It still feels like we are liberating pennies from a misers purse he has to be more expansive if he is to meet the new owners expectations and but the underlying conservatism is never very far from the surface. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on January 01, 2017, 09:45:01 AM
Quote from: Do I not like Wolves on December 31, 2016, 07:28:32 PM
Bang on well said - Certainly up there with Atkinson, Allen and Giles in my book.
Nowhere near Atkinson and Giles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on January 01, 2017, 09:47:49 AM
The football is a million times better this year. Long may it continue! We get players forward very quickly and we do pass the ball around quite well when we've got it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on January 01, 2017, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: Do I not like Wolves on December 31, 2016, 07:28:32 PM
Bang on well said - Certainly up there with Atkinson, Allen and Giles in my book.
i'll send you an 'ommer and chisel to get yeah tongue out of yeah cheek !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 01, 2017, 10:37:56 AM
Quote from: baggie96 on January 01, 2017, 09:47:49 AM
The football is a million times better this year. Long may it continue! We get players forward very quickly and we do pass the ball around quite well when we've got it!

We are still poor in possession our shots per game are still on the low side I'm guessing the quality of those shots has improved because more of them are going in. Compared with an extremely poor end to last season and mediocre start to this we have improved beyond belief
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on January 01, 2017, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: Standaman on January 01, 2017, 10:37:56 AM
We are still poor in possession our shots per game are still on the low side I'm guessing the quality of those shots has improved because more of them are going in. Compared with an extremely poor end to last season and mediocre start to this we have improved beyond belief
You have sort of answered your own question as to why fans are being won round to Pulis, haven't you? He has moulded a team with no real stars in it into a very effective well organised unit, who defend well and now attack much better as well. I think we can all see progression in the right direction. For a club of our size that must be our aim and, at the moment, Pulis seems to be achieving that aim.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 01, 2017, 11:09:28 AM
Quote from: Standaman on January 01, 2017, 10:37:56 AM
We are still poor in possession our shots per game are still on the low side I'm guessing the quality of those shots has improved because more of them are going in. Compared with an extremely poor end to last season and mediocre start to this we have improved beyond belief

The main difference from last season, for me, is the added cutting edge provided by Phillips and Chadli. We now have pace and width down both flanks.  Phillips and Chadli are players who the opposition know can hurt them.  It opens up the midfield, and it is no coincidence that our current run of form was launched when Brunt and Morrison returned to the side, as they have the passing ability to exploit the gaps created by dragging the opposition much wider.  Rondon really finding his feet in the PL this season is of course also a big factor, and with Nyom rampaging forward with pace we have another opening as well.  It has made us far more difficult to play against because we can really hurt opponents going forward, and all achieved without breaking up our "core back 7".

The challenge is in fitting everyone into the side. In effect, we currently have a fixed "back 7" of Foster, Dawson, GMac, Evans, Nyom, Fletcher and Yacob.   We then have Chadli, Phillips, Rondon, Morrison and Brunt.  That's 12. 

Fletcher and Nyom are really the two weak links.  For all his leadership attributes, Fletcher's distribution over the past couple of months has been well below par.  Nyom is a great athlete and at times looks good defensively and is a threat going forward, but I think we can do better. Great squad man as he can cover both fullback positions.  Brunt is wasted at left back, so hopefully we can sign Taylor in this window.

The main weakness now is the bench. The core 12 is fine. We don't have enough depth to cover injuries or suspensions.  HRK is fine. Leko is fine but really needs to go out on loan. Olsson is almost certainly on his way, either now or in the summer. Gardner is just not good enough.  We therefore need 3 or 4 upgrades to create more options and competition for places.  GMac and Fletcher are going to need to be replaced soon.

Right at this moment all looks pretty rosy, but it is fragile. A few injuries and it could quickly go pearshaped.  In the past, Peace would see no need to strengthen from this position but I now sense a genuine desire from the new owners and Pulis to strengthen from a position of strength which, with money finally available, is exactly the right thing to do.

There is absolutely no reason why we cannot now become a core top 10 side alongside Everton, Stoke, Southampton and (probably) Leicester.












Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on January 01, 2017, 11:18:28 AM
Hey guys, the leader or captain of the team is no t necessarily the best player.
He contributes,but mainly his organisational and leadership qualities are vital,especialy on the pitch,where he carries out the coaches orders
Fletcher has all of these qualities,which is why tp needs him.
He also has the respect of the squad,after all Mr Ferguson rated him didn't he and he wasn't that bad a judge of a player was he.
He also leads the team out onto the pitch with his head held high,hes proud to be a baggie.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 01, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: liverbaggie on January 01, 2017, 11:18:28 AM
Hey guys, the leader or captain of the team is no t necessarily the best player.
He contributes,but mainly his organisational and leadership qualities are vital,especialy on the pitch,where he carries out the coaches orders
Fletcher has all of these qualities,which is why tp needs him.
He also has the respect of the squad,after all Mr Ferguson rated him didn't he and he wasn't that bad a judge of a player was he.
He also leads the team out onto the pitch with his head held high,hes proud to be a baggie.

I agree with that, but he's still got to be worth his place in the side.  Over the past few weeks it is clear that he has struggled with his distribution.  I would always want him in my 11, but not at the expense of weakening the side by doing so.  If we sign Schneiderlin (or similar) then it's going to hard to leave out Yacob ahead of Fletcher.  A nice selection problem to face!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2017, 11:26:53 AM
As someone who sat on the fence with Pulis I've been impressed since November , there's been a genuine attempt to play better football , no doubt we still give the ball away cheaply and don't support the lone forward enough but I for one enjoy having a threat in Phillips , Rondon, Chadli and Brunt in his own way. Its not just the better results , we actually are decent enough to watch when we get it right. I never thought I'd say that about a TP side , I also believe with a bit more composure we could be a real handful.
Credit to Pulis in all fairness.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 01, 2017, 11:50:51 AM
I'm not won round because in case nobody noticed Pulis was also in charge of a similar group of players last season and the beginning of this and until he took the handbrake off Phillips looked like the typical Pulis worker drone. So delighted as I am with the improvement I'm not brimming over with bonhomie toward the person who was responsible for it being bad in the first place. 

Please don't start me on Fletcher because I simply don't get it. This season to date is the outlier if we replicate our first half across the 2nd half of the season and we continue to progress I will have been won over, but mentioning his name in the same sentence as Allen and Giles, is way off the mark.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 01, 2017, 12:03:22 PM
Do you not think having Brunt and Morrison back in the side is one of the main reasons Phillips has come on in leaps and bounds though? 

We get 2 of our better footballers back and suddenly we are playing better football. It's nothing to do with having a handbrake on imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 01, 2017, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on January 01, 2017, 12:03:22 PM
Do you not think having Brunt and Morrison back in the side is one of the main reasons Phillips has come on in leaps and bounds though? 

We get 2 of our better footballers back and suddenly we are playing better football. It's nothing to do with having a handbrake on imo.

There's a lot of truth in that.  Whilst Chadli and Phillips have brought creativity, Brunt and Morrison have the ability to work with them and exploit it.  We are also now playing with some players within 15-20 yards of Rondon, not 40 yards behind him.

We missed Brunt and Morrison far more during their injury lay-offs than we realised at the time. They are vital creative cogs in the wheel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on January 01, 2017, 12:16:17 PM
Quote from: timdon on January 01, 2017, 10:58:38 AM
You have sort of answered your own question as to why fans are being won round to Pulis, haven't you? He has moulded a team with no real stars in it into a very effective well organised unit, who defend well and now attack much better as well. I think we can all see progression in the right direction. For a club of our size that must be our aim and, at the moment, Pulis seems to be achieving that aim.

I think most of us thought he was the right man for us at that time our only concern was would his style of football after, most hoped it would  be more cristyle palace than stoke but at the start of the season (even while winning points) the football we were playing was right out of balance but now we seem to be playing a more balance style which us fans appreciate more. This balance style will win him back more fans
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 01, 2017, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on January 01, 2017, 12:12:02 PM
There's a lot of truth in that.  Whilst Chadli and Phillips have brought creativity, Brunt and Morrison have the ability to work with them and exploit it.  We are also now playing with some players within 15-20 yards of Rondon, not 40 yards behind him.

We missed Brunt and Morrison far more during their injury lay-offs than we realised at the time. They are vital creative cogs in the wheel.

I posted the stats for the Southampton game in the post match thread and Brunt was our highest passer of the ball, with Morrison 2nd. Morrison also had the best pass completion rate. I think these two back in the team really do make a difference.

Edit: Think Yacob has also had one of his best seasons so far for me. His passing and range of passes has improved dramatically, and he made the 2nd most tackles in our entire team yesterday. Says a lot when the holding midfielder is making a lot of tackles, helps to take the pressure off the defence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on January 01, 2017, 01:08:22 PM
I still think we need to improve in midfield.  Having only 170 completed passes yesterday is a bit embarrassing.  Yesterday's game was on a knife edge and could've gone the other way.  I also think it'll be a real battle tomorrow with Hull having an extra day's rest. 

By all accounts we were much better 2nd half v Saints, which tells me that the midfield in the 1st half was completely dysfunctional.  I keep saying it but the current incumbents are too slow in basic possession and moving the ball to a WBA shirt at pace.  Our best full back Nyom was subbed, not very fair.

Pulis is bottling some big decisions:
1) Fletchers effectiveness and his constant selection.
2) Is Brunt a left back or left midfield?  For the balance of the team it should be the former.  The result would be Dawson being dropped and Nyom RB.
3) Getting more from Chadli who's an undoubted match winner.  I don't think he's seeing enough of the ball which is neutralising his effectiveness.

So we're doing well so far but there's room for improvement.  If we sign Schneiderlein who will make way?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 01, 2017, 01:28:43 PM
Stoke lost to Chelsea and Arsenal by an aggregate of 8-3 going for it more than we did, we lost 2-0.  I'd suggest the Pulis method is probably more likely to get draws now and then and even the odd sneaky 0-1, but unless your a defensive purist Stoke were a lot more fun to watch!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on January 01, 2017, 01:43:57 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on January 01, 2017, 01:08:22 PM
I still think we need to improve in midfield.  Having only 170 completed passes yesterday is a bit embarrassing.  Yesterday's game was on a knife edge and could've gone the other way.  I also think it'll be a real battle tomorrow with Hull having an extra day's rest. 

By all accounts we were much better 2nd half v Saints, which tells me that the midfield in the 1st half was completely dysfunctional.  I keep saying it but the current incumbents are too slow in basic possession and moving the ball to a WBA shirt at pace.  Our best full back Nyom was subbed, not very fair.

Pulis is bottling some big decisions:
1) Fletchers effectiveness and his constant selection.
2) Is Brunt a left back or left midfield?  For the balance of the team it should be the former.  The result would be Dawson being dropped and Nyom RB.
3) Getting more from Chadli who's an undoubted match winner.  I don't think he's seeing enough of the ball which is neutralising his effectiveness.

So we're doing well so far but there's room for improvement.  If we sign Schneiderlein who will make way?
1 He was subbed because he was already on a yellow card and was arguably lucky not to be sent off at the end of the first half. Excellent management from TP to sub him when he did.
2 Dawson was one of our best performers yesterday, and has been consistent and dependable for the most part. Yes, he is not playing in his best position and sometimes makes errors (true of all players by the way) but he is generally good and always gives his all for the side. Pulis trusts him for a reason
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 01, 2017, 01:46:38 PM
Quote from: GREGMT on January 01, 2017, 01:08:22 PM
I still think we need to improve in midfield.  Having only 170 completed passes yesterday is a bit embarrassing.  Yesterday's game was on a knife edge and could've gone the other way.  I also think it'll be a real battle tomorrow with Hull having an extra day's rest. 

By all accounts we were much better 2nd half v Saints, which tells me that the midfield in the 1st half was completely dysfunctional.  I keep saying it but the current incumbents are too slow in basic possession and moving the ball to a WBA shirt at pace.  Our best full back Nyom was subbed, not very fair.

Pulis is bottling some big decisions:
1) Fletchers effectiveness and his constant selection.
2) Is Brunt a left back or left midfield?  For the balance of the team it should be the former.  The result would be Dawson being dropped and Nyom RB.
3) Getting more from Chadli who's an undoubted match winner.  I don't think he's seeing enough of the ball which is neutralising his effectiveness.

So we're doing well so far but there's room for improvement.  If we sign Schneiderlein who will make way?

He was on the edge of being sent off. He also made 0 tackles yesterday, and committed 4 fouls, whereas his replacement McClean came on and made the most out of the entire team (6/6 and 0 fouls).

Agree on your numbered points however, and I think fixing 1 and 3 work in harmony with each other. A better ball playing midfielder to come in for Fletcher is likely to bring Chadli into the game more by finding him with passes, and giving the ball away less meaning that we aren't defending and chasing the ball for as long. Yacob is doing a very good job, so I'd say it has to be Fletcher than is rotated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on January 01, 2017, 02:30:48 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on January 01, 2017, 01:46:38 PM
He was on the edge of being sent off. He also made 0 tackles yesterday, and committed 4 fouls, whereas his replacement McClean came on and made the most out of the entire team (6/6 and 0 fouls).

Agree on your numbered points however, and I think fixing 1 and 3 work in harmony with each other. A better ball playing midfielder to come in for Fletcher is likely to bring Chadli into the game more by finding him with passes, and giving the ball away less meaning that we aren't defending and chasing the ball for as long. Yacob is doing a very good job, so I'd say it has to be Fletcher than is rotated.

In relation to Nyom I was looking at the big picture and not yesterday's game in isolation.  I think over the 1st half of this season it's fair to say he's been the best full back.

I just think we can push on as I don't think the standard of the league is good this season.  There's an awful lot of headed goals and defensive mistakes.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2017, 03:47:43 PM
A shocking half of what is supposed to be football, you know pass and move, try defending that. Micky being taken out of us by the worst team in the league. It's your training and tactics
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2017, 03:53:24 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2017, 03:47:43 PM
A shocking half of what is supposed to be football, you know pass and move, try defending that. Micky being taken out of us by the worst team in the league. It's your training and tactics

Playing very poorly. In particular Morrison and Chadli who we need to fire for our attacking play to work. Seems to have stumbled on a successful formation to match Hull up and see no reason why we won't get at least a point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 02, 2017, 03:55:28 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2017, 03:47:43 PM
A shocking half of what is supposed to be football, you know pass and move, try defending that. Micky being taken out of us by the worst team in the league. It's your training and tactics
Jan 2017 , we start in 8th position.
Not all rosey but nowhere near the hysteria needed just yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 02, 2017, 03:59:58 PM
Players must take the blame for this shocker so far.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2017, 05:00:30 PM
Pulis and his coaching staff should take all the plaudits today.

The easy thing would have been to persevere with the formation that has worked all season and brought on Olsson in a straight swap for Evans.

He was very brave and as soon as we matched Hull up there was only one winner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 02, 2017, 05:05:05 PM
Pulis earn this money today. Agree with you jacko I thought we bring Olson on. Matching them really did the business. We will need a left back this window with nyom off to play in Gabon
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 02, 2017, 05:08:48 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2017, 05:00:30 PM
Pulis and his coaching staff should take all the plaudits today.

The easy thing would have been to persevere with the formation that has worked all season and brought on Olsson in a straight swap for Evans.

He was very brave and as soon as we matched Hull up there was only one winner.
Agree with all the above , we won't always start well and we may play badly at times but the improvement from last season can be seen .I can only say fair play to Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 02, 2017, 05:20:37 PM
he's definitely more positive these days, last season he would have subbed a player like Chadli for Gardner not HRK. hope he sticks with this positivity because we benefit so much from it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 02, 2017, 05:23:09 PM
Two year anniversary for Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 02, 2017, 05:28:45 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on January 02, 2017, 05:23:09 PM
Two year anniversary for Pulis.
I bet your cards centre of the mantelpiece. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 02, 2017, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2017, 03:47:43 PM
A shocking half of what is supposed to be football, you know pass and move, try defending that. Micky being taken out of us by the worst team in the league. It's your training and tactics

Might be the worst team based on league position, but they played superb stuff in 1st half
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on January 02, 2017, 05:38:16 PM
Not having a go at the club here as it happened how it happened, but the 1st half Hull were good because they had an eternity to make their choices and were never really worry about a threat on the counter. We allows them to play that well through our ineptitude and lack of attacking threat
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 02, 2017, 06:23:26 PM
Sleepy starts happen too often....may have been a bit of an excuse today with the 48 hours between games with a temptation to hang in there and conserve a bit of energy.
Can't be too critical of the end results we are getting though. Just hope we don't get bogged down with cup replays as we did last year....be positive and get the games won in 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 02, 2017, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: Adder on January 02, 2017, 06:23:26 PM
Sleepy starts happen too often....may have been a bit of an excuse today with the 48 hours between games with a temptation to hang in there and conserve a bit of energy.
Can't be too critical of the end results we are getting though. Just hope we don't get bogged down with cup replays as we did last year....be positive and get the games won in 90 minutes.

My worry now is that he uses the cup to rest a large proportion of the first team and we get knocked out/end up having to play a replay. We've got a good few days break now, and a week in between the cup game and the next league game, so I'd like to see as full strength as we can, probably barring Evans who picked up a knock. Would it be wise to try the 3 at the back formation again against Derby?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on January 02, 2017, 07:00:55 PM
Pulis deserves enormous credit for the change of formation early in the game, he could've easily replaced Evans with Jonas but he was bold and changed to a formation that provided us with width, got us further up the pitch and worried hull.
We have a fantastic head coach and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 02, 2017, 07:26:00 PM
Maybe Pulis won't change it too much for Derby. Said this in his post match interview:

"2 games in 3 days? For the money they get? Go and ask their grandads who worked 12 hour days down the pit, they never got tired."

Fair play!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 02, 2017, 08:13:58 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on January 02, 2017, 07:26:00 PM
Maybe Pulis won't change it too much for Derby. Said this in his post match interview:

"2 games in 3 days? For the money they get? Go and ask their grandads who worked 12 hour days down the pit, they never got tired."

Fair play!
Classic Pulis that quote....he's correct in resisting tinkering during a busy period. Resting Evans for Derby is a no brainer. Besides that I'd guess it should be down to recommendations from the medical staff to decide who would benefit from a mini break, to avoid fatigue/injuries down the line. Brunt and Fletcher may be prime candidates for a rest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 02, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
After a very bad first half the Pulis haters were getting all excited; they got all dressed up ready to come out of their long period of hibernation. They opened their front door's and Brunty fired a thunderbolt into their face's and they wisely retreated    ;D

Better luck time guys.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 02, 2017, 08:24:20 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on January 02, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
After a very bad first half the Pulis the haters were getting all excited; they got all dressed up ready to come out of their long period of hibernation. They opened their front door's and Brunty fired a thunderbolt into their face's and they wisely retreated    ;D

Better luck time guys.

We were very poor to be fair before the goal. However total change in the second half and brought home the 3 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 02, 2017, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on January 02, 2017, 08:24:20 PM
We were very poor to be fair before the goal. However total change in the second half and brought home the 3 points.
And that is what matters.
Stats are interesting and I for one applaud the work you put in on informing us of them and the time you give on our behalf. And look forward to more please.
Sometimes a moment or two re Chadli pass to Phillips then HRK for an example is more important than passing back and forth.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on January 02, 2017, 09:46:45 PM
Some fans cannot wait to get on the mans back after looking back at my Facebook page earlier on today.

We are going to play bad sometimes, we will have off days but as long as we have more on days then we should all get behind TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 02, 2017, 10:11:05 PM
I agree Sted. At some point we will go on a bit of a poor run and the results will dry up. Rather than get on player or managers backs I'd like to think we'll get behind the team.

We are definitely improving and that's what I wanted to see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 02, 2017, 10:13:00 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on January 02, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
After a very bad first half the Pulis haters were getting all excited; they got all dressed up ready to come out of their long period of hibernation. They opened their front door's and Brunty fired a thunderbolt into their face's and they wisely retreated    ;D

Better luck time guys.

It is funny how some of his biggest critics have suddenly gone quiet. Pulis has done a fantastic job at this football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 02, 2017, 10:15:30 PM
Yep, the general trend is improvement so let's enjoy it. We could be Swansea scratching about for a new manager, instead we are 8th, scoring goals and playing reasonable football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 02, 2017, 10:25:48 PM
Quote from: Adder on January 02, 2017, 10:15:30 PM
Yep, the general trend is improvement so let's enjoy it. We could be Swansea scratching about for a new manager, instead we are 8th, scoring goals and playing reasonable football.

That's exactly it. We're 8th now and have had some excellent results. A few mates of mine that don't usually say much about football have messaged me saying how well we're doing, so it's certainly not going unnoticed in the wider community
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on January 02, 2017, 10:30:21 PM
WBA 1-0 Palace
WBA 4-2 West Ham
WBA 4-0 Burnley
WBA 2-1 Leicester
WBA 3-1 Watford
WBA 3-1 Swansea
WBA 2-1 Southampton
WBA 3-1 Hull

All I asked for last season was intent to win games against teams at or around our level. There's been a remarkable change in our attitude towards winnable games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 02, 2017, 10:48:08 PM
Saw a comment the other day about our corners...

"Every corner by them is like a clear goal scoring opportunity!!"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 02, 2017, 10:50:30 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on January 02, 2017, 10:48:08 PM
Saw a comment the other day about our corners...

"Every corner by them is like a clear goal scoring opportunity!!"

Very true.  I don't think we even had a single corner in the first half today!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 02, 2017, 11:15:25 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on January 02, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
After a very bad first half the Pulis haters were getting all excited; they got all dressed up ready to come out of their long period of hibernation. They opened their front door's and Brunty fired a thunderbolt into their face's and they wisely retreated    ;D

Better luck time guys.

Do you have to?  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 02, 2017, 11:49:54 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 02, 2017, 11:15:25 PM
Do you have to?  ::)

No but I wanted to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 03, 2017, 07:13:42 AM
Quote from: KingKoren on January 02, 2017, 11:49:54 PM
No but I wanted to.

Well stop the wind up attempt and enjoy the win instead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 03, 2017, 08:23:46 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on January 02, 2017, 05:31:48 PM
Might be the worst team based on league position, but they played superb stuff in 1st half

We made them look like Barcelona first half.
No pressing and very lack lustre.
Hate to say it but JE getting injured probably contributed to our win, made Pulis make a change and he changed it for the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 03, 2017, 09:59:43 AM
I was very much in the pulis out camp last season his position looked untenable we were not trying to win games and myself and pretty much everybody else was bored home and away.

However he deserves great praise for the upturn in results and entertainment. He hasn't really changed his overall style too much but he has found people who thrive in it, Phillips has been a top class addition. Some of the players who have come in like nyom is a pulis type through and through. Biggest thing has been dropping berahino and that abhorrent 442 that we all knew we didn't have the personnel for.

Keep me eating my words Tony. Records points return and an FA CUP run will continue to help your cause
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on January 03, 2017, 01:02:10 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on January 03, 2017, 09:59:43 AM
I was very much in the pulis out camp last season his position looked untenable we were not trying to win games and myself and pretty much everybody else was bored home and away.

However he deserves great praise for the upturn in results and entertainment. He hasn't really changed his overall style too much but he has found people who thrive in it, Phillips has been a top class addition. Some of the players who have come in like nyom is a pulis type through and through. Biggest thing has been dropping berahino and that abhorrent 442 that we all knew we didn't have the personnel for.

Keep me eating my words Tony. Records points return and an FA CUP run will continue to help your cause

Having moaned about Pulis and the style of play I'm more than happy to agree with this. The upturn in quality and entertainment has persuaded me to get a half season ticket and if things continue to go as yesterday (second half and a bit of the first) then I'll be content.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on January 03, 2017, 01:20:15 PM
Quote from: wba_1996 on January 02, 2017, 10:30:21 PM
WBA 1-0 Palace
WBA 4-2 West Ham
WBA 4-0 Burnley
WBA 2-1 Leicester
WBA 3-1 Watford
WBA 3-1 Swansea
WBA 2-1 Southampton
WBA 3-1 Hull

All I asked for last season was intent to win games against teams at or around our level. There's been a remarkable change in our attitude towards winnable games.

I think he just has the players in place now, we've needed a Philips and Chadli for some time. We missed Mozza and Brunt last season. Rondons hold up play is the best in the league. Yacobs is one of the best holding midfielders in the league and every time we have a corner i expect us to score. A couple of decent signings this month and it will create competition for places and cover for injuries. Although we looked tired in the first half against Hull and southampton it does appear we have a very fit squad, running up mountains in Austria appears to be working out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CoachRagnar on January 03, 2017, 02:36:22 PM
Looking at the league table, you see only long established top of the table clubs above us. We're one point adrift of Everton. How could people not be thrilled with Pulis and the club's performance? Look what has happened with both Stoke and Palace after he left, both have drifted toward the relagation zone. We're damned lucky to have the man.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on January 03, 2017, 05:34:56 PM
Quote from: CoachRagnar on January 03, 2017, 02:36:22 PM
Looking at the league table, you see only long established top of the table clubs above us. We're one point adrift of Everton. How could people not be thrilled with Pulis and the club's performance? Look what has happened with both Stoke and Palace after he left, both have drifted toward the relagation zone. We're damned lucky to have the man.

Amen
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 03, 2017, 08:55:40 PM
Quote from: CoachRagnar on January 03, 2017, 02:36:22 PM
Looking at the league table, you see only long established top of the table clubs above us. We're one point adrift of Everton. How could people not be thrilled with Pulis and the club's performance? Look what has happened with both Stoke and Palace after he left, both have drifted toward the relagation zone. We're damned lucky to have the man.

When he arrived I was relieved, I just thought safety.
Then most of last season, start of this, I was jaded and wanted him gone.
Many of us thought he had no plan B. And for much of this season that is how it looked.

All of a sudden it seems different. What do we know... seems he was building something behind the scenes, a team that gels and is even starting to ooze confidence. His reshaping of the side without Jonny this weekend, unfortunate as that was, showed he can think with an attack mind and with positivity.

This doesn't seem like a flash in the pan. I hope it isn't. All we need now is a few more additions quality wise, to take up the slack when injuries happen...

Maybe Guochuan Lai has thrown a gauntlet.....

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on January 03, 2017, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on January 03, 2017, 08:55:40 PM
When he arrived I was relieved, I just thought safety.
Then most of last season, start of this, I was jaded and wanted him gone.
Many of us thought he had no plan B. And for much of this season that is how it looked.

All of a sudden it seems different. What do we know... seems he was building something behind the scenes, a team that gels and is even starting to ooze confidence. His reshaping of the side without Jonny this weekend, unfortunate as that was, showed he can think with an attack mind and with positivity.

This doesn't seem like a flash in the pan. I hope it isn't. All we need now is a few more additions quality wise, to take up the slack when injuries happen...
Maybe Guochuan Lai has thrown a gauntlet.....

Spot on Mukka. Heres to a bright future ha.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on January 03, 2017, 11:52:26 PM
Stoke "We have moved on massively since Pulis"

11th in the table: Stoke 2-0 Watford (Crouch and Shawcross) :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 04, 2017, 07:54:45 AM
The important thing for me is that the team are playing as a team and are behind him. I am seeing team spirit and a desire to work together on the pitch. I am seeing belief, even when we go behind. TP has a system and the players are signed up to it. Where we are now will make a few players sit up and take notice. The club is now an attractive team to play for, not a career cul-de-sac. All of a sudden we are not that 'typical Pulis team' but a team that others know will be hard to break down and has good counter attacking possibilities.

For me I am loving every second. I have always been pro TP, but will admit to having doubts at the start of this season. However, it seems to be falling into place and I am a very proud baggie giving the witton road mob and the dogheads loads of abuse!

TP has given the boys the same belief Ranieri did to Leicester last year - long may it continue.

.... and if you are a 'stayaway' then you are missing a treat......come back and get behind the boys and TP!!!

Loving it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 04, 2017, 05:43:18 PM
To all you Pulis hater`s I advise you to go on the Albion`s website and read A BOWLERS DELIVERY you just might get a different prospectous on how things are evolving at the HAWTHORNS excellent read
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 04, 2017, 06:59:44 PM
Great article!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 05, 2017, 04:21:17 PM
I hated Pulis. Now I love him. More than happy to eat humble pie.

Planning a trip up with my son and sister. Thank you TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 05, 2017, 04:50:37 PM
The team will be glad to see you back Cornish when you do come I hope they put on a show for you all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on January 05, 2017, 05:14:56 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on January 05, 2017, 04:21:17 PM
I hated Pulis. Now I love him. More than happy to eat humble pie.

Planning a trip up with my son and sister. Thank you TP.

Loving this,  hope more who have stayed away keep coming back, the hawthorns can be quite intimidating for away teams when it's bouncing, erm boinging haha
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on January 05, 2017, 07:09:06 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on January 05, 2017, 04:21:17 PM
I hated Pulis. Now I love him. More than happy to eat humble pie.

Planning a trip up with my son and sister. Thank you TP.

With you all the way. I'm one of the dis-disappeared!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 05, 2017, 07:16:13 PM
no denying where we are at the minute in the table is remarkable, first half against Southampton and Hull truely shocking but he turned it around on both occasions in the second half. i will give an appraisal after the cup game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jefferson on January 06, 2017, 10:34:27 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 05, 2017, 07:16:13 PM
no denying where we are at the minute in the table is remarkable, first half against Southampton and Hull truely shocking but he turned it around on both occasions in the second half. i will give an appraisal after the cup game

I think there's a lot of poor sides about this season below the top 6 and we're taking advantage. Reminds me of the Clarke season when we finished top 8.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 06, 2017, 10:37:37 AM
Do wish we could keep hold off the ball a bit better but tbf that isnt TPs fault.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2017, 10:39:23 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 06, 2017, 10:37:37 AM
Do wish we could keep hold off the ball a bit better but tbf that isnt TPs fault.


hes had two years to teach them that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 06, 2017, 12:27:03 PM
Quote from: wba13 on January 05, 2017, 04:50:37 PM
The team will be glad to see you back Cornish when you do come I hope they put on a show for you all.

Cheers  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on January 06, 2017, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2017, 10:39:23 AM

hes had two years to teach them that

Or grown professional footballers can't control the ball and play a first time pass...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 06, 2017, 12:54:24 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on January 06, 2017, 12:43:18 PM
Or grown professional footballers can't control the ball and play a first time pass...

It baffles me as we have some very good technical footballers in the side with a lot of Prem experience. There are time where we look scared stiff to have possession of the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 06, 2017, 01:23:24 PM
Sorry but where are we in the league OHHHHH 8th feel sorry for team`s below us we do the right things when we need to as our position shows
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 06, 2017, 09:02:40 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2017, 10:39:23 AM

hes had two years to teach them that
Ever tried to turn a pigs ear into a silk purse?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 1954 on January 06, 2017, 10:32:26 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2017, 10:39:23 AM

hes had two years to teach them that

I don't believe that is something you can teach. You are either calm when in possession or you panic if pressured. You are either blessed with confidence & close control or not. Although obviously it is much easier to retain possession & not panic if one has a number of options in terms of team mates free to receive the pass. Playing as we do with generally a packed defence it means there are very few team mates free to receive the ball.
Having said that, our style of play is why we are eighth in the league  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 07, 2017, 12:03:56 AM
Indications are we are unlikely to sign a new LB this window. With Nyom returning and Pulis saying he expects Galloway to stay until the seasons end.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on January 07, 2017, 05:01:13 PM
Pulis has done well recently but out thought by Steve McLaren that's Embarrassing :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 07, 2017, 05:06:44 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on January 07, 2017, 05:01:13 PM
Pulis has done well recently but out thought by Steve McLaren that's Embarrassing :(

If being out thought is 2 long range goals after we miss numerous chances then yes...

I sometimes think some folk on here don't understand football at all...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 07, 2017, 05:09:33 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 07, 2017, 05:06:44 PM
If being out thought is 2 long range goals after we miss numerous chances then yes...

I sometimes think some folk on here don't understand football at all...

They don't...thats why posts such as the one you replied to are posted on here

Theres being angry at the result and making outlandish statements

I've just posted that I'm sat here with popcorn waiting for the Pulis haters to come on and start their rants...first one has already posted let the floodgates open
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 07, 2017, 05:10:32 PM
We had more possession than them.

Doesn't that mean we won the game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 07, 2017, 05:12:58 PM
we also had 23 attempts on goal......today was a bad day at the office in front of goal
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 07, 2017, 05:16:20 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on January 07, 2017, 05:12:58 PM
we also had 23 attempts on goal......today was a bad day at the office in front of goal


15 corners too.

Just have to write it off to bad luck sometimes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on January 07, 2017, 05:46:44 PM
Not a Pulis hater actually and have never jumped on the Pulis out bandwagon but think it's ok tell the truth :)  Derby had a lot of their key players injured and we still lost to A championship team at home. We went out of the league cup to Northampton (at home) and FA Cup to  Reading last year having not beaten Bristol City or Peterborough at home.
We have had a great season so far but our cup form under Pulis hasn't been great, that's not hating it's stating a fact.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 07, 2017, 05:55:19 PM
Good interview on WM by TP, protected the players somewhat; Mark Hughes has already hung his players out to dry in his interview after defeat to the D1ngle5.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on January 07, 2017, 06:05:29 PM
thought we actually played well
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 07, 2017, 06:16:20 PM
its kinda funny hearing Tone throw stats out, more shots more crosses more possession.
now we know how every other team feels when they lose to us. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on January 07, 2017, 06:17:12 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on January 07, 2017, 05:12:58 PM
we also had 23 attempts on goal......today was a bad day at the office in front of goal
We had 23 shots, only 5 were actually on the goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on January 07, 2017, 06:34:39 PM
Pulis got pulised. Get over it tone just like us fans have to after another great cup run not
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lindenbaggie on January 07, 2017, 06:58:56 PM
Far too many overhit crosses and corners. We sure missed Brunty's accuracy today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on January 07, 2017, 07:15:31 PM
After another disappointment in a cup competition under Tony what should be the target points wise and position wise for remainder of season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 07, 2017, 08:14:04 PM
TO win as many games as possible and as high in the table as we can today was a good performance accept in front of goal
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 07, 2017, 08:46:03 PM
I am constantly told that Pulis gets results well frankly blessed with some of the kindest cup draws we could have imagined over the last 2 years the record sucks. Obviously not the fault of the manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 07, 2017, 09:04:15 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 07, 2017, 08:46:03 PM
I am constantly told that Pulis gets results well frankly blessed with some of the kindest cup draws we could have imagined over the last 2 years the record sucks. Obviously not the fault of the manager.
Its been the same for years , trouble is only Pulis keeps coming out and saying he loves the competition etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 08, 2017, 12:39:12 PM
I thought he looked pretty upset with the result on motd interview,said we battered them,imagine how other teams feel after weve played them,in fairness due to injuries the only mistakes he made was myhill over foster and no leko appearance,but I understand this may have something to do with a loan,originally I wasn't a pulis fan,but I have been won over this season,but still every now and then he does make the odd baffling decision ie with how important the fa cup is too us,how many posters would have played myhill over foster and this cost us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on January 08, 2017, 01:11:59 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on January 08, 2017, 12:39:12 PM
I thought he looked pretty upset with the result on motd interview,said we battered them,imagine how other teams feel after weve played them,in fairness due to injuries the only mistakes he made was myhill over foster and no leko appearance,but I understand this may have something to do with a loan,originally I wasn't a pulis fan,but I have been won over this season,but still every now and then he does make the odd baffling decision ie with how important the fa cup is too us,how many posters would have played myhill over foster and this cost us

But we can't keep using myhill as the scapegoat... we had 1 player that weakened our side yesterday... people are forgetting that derby didn't have their strongest team out either due to injuries etc

It was our finishing that cost us the game yesterday, 23 attempts at goal only 1 went on and another 4 were on target.... the rest were just wasted... against the one and only Scott Carson  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 08, 2017, 01:32:24 PM
We had one player that weakened our side yesterday I must have been watching our reserves all season No Foster,Nyom,Evans,Brunt and Chadli  So we have a good reserve side if we only had one player who weakened our side because all 5 named would be in our 1st team so part of our reserve team lost to part of Derby`s reserve team.So stop trying to make out we wern`t weakened .I don`t care what you think it wasn`t meant to be yesterday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 08, 2017, 03:41:39 PM
He's here for the now I understand that but I won't be crying when he goes. I fully expected to go through considering the pressure is off in the league, utterly and totally fed up with these cup completions and not progressing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 08, 2017, 03:49:33 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on January 08, 2017, 12:39:12 PM
I thought he looked pretty upset with the result on motd interview,said we battered them,imagine how other teams feel after weve played them,in fairness due to injuries the only mistakes he made was myhill over foster and no leko appearance,but I understand this may have something to do with a loan,originally I wasn't a pulis fan,but I have been won over this season,but still every now and then he does make the odd baffling decision ie with how important the fa cup is too us,how many posters would have played myhill over foster and this cost us
Was Gardner in the squad? isn't there talk of him going out on loan to Blues?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 08, 2017, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 08, 2017, 03:41:39 PM
He's here for the now I understand that but I won't be crying when he goes. I fully expected to go through considering the pressure is off in the league, utterly and totally fed up with these cup completions and not progressing
Our woes in the Cup have been happening long before TP arrived , other than the keeper ( and I see why he changed) Pulis didn't get much wrong.
He can't put the ball in for players who would normally score without thinking.
Frustrating , must improve in the Cups.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 08, 2017, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: Dexy on January 08, 2017, 04:22:52 PM
Our woes in the Cup have been happening long before TP arrived , other than the keeper ( and I see why he changed) Pulis didn't get much wrong.
He can't put the ball in for players who would normally score without thinking.
Frustrating , must improve in the Cups.
I cant see why he needed to change the keeper,foster is in superb form and this game was more important than spurs away,foster is instrumental for us winning games and should have played
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 08, 2017, 05:02:49 PM
I understand Pulis playing Myhill because if Foster gets injured Myhill play`s so needs some game time he was also injured for awhile so needs to play. But to be honest we need a new number 2 as MYHILL in my opinion is well over weight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 08, 2017, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: elkietheir on January 08, 2017, 04:51:33 PM
I cant see why he needed to change the keeper,foster is in superb form and this game was more important than spurs away,foster is instrumental for us winning games and should have played
I believe its just in case we have to call on Boaz , Foster does have injuries here and there and it must be months since Myhill played.
If the others took their chances we wouldn't be talking about Myhill.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: botters on January 08, 2017, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: Dexy on January 08, 2017, 05:10:23 PM
I believe its just in case we have to call on Boaz , Foster does have injuries here and there and it must be months since Myhill played.
If the others took their chances we wouldn't be talking about Myhill.

Yes Myhill has played twice this season and has seen us knocked out of both cup competitions and he is clearly overweight. If Pulis was intent in changing goalkeepers he should have given the young lad a chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 08, 2017, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: botters on January 08, 2017, 05:19:48 PM
Yes Myhill has played twice this season and has seen us knocked out of both cup competitions and he is clearly overweight. If Pulis was intent in changing goalkeepers he should have given the young lad a chance.
That won't get Myhilll minutes though will it ? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 08, 2017, 05:59:44 PM
I'd sooner see us take the gamble that Foster will remain fit for the season and play him in every game as Myhill is not up to the job in any circumstance any longer. If Foster were to get injured, I would be extremely worried as Myhill between the sticks would see us concede far more goals, he was poor when he replaced Foster last time and he was in better shape then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 08, 2017, 06:03:56 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 08, 2017, 05:59:44 PM
I'd sooner see us take the gamble that Foster will remain fit for the season and play him in every game as Myhill is not up to the job in any circumstance any longer. If Foster were to get injured, I would be extremely worried as Myhill between the sticks would see us concede far more goals, he was poor when he replaced Foster last time and he was in better shape then.

Agreed, looks to be losing his ability worryingly quickly. I would not be confident at all if Foster wasn't available now. Also as an aside, thought Galloway was pretty poor, although probably rusty, can see from yesterday's game why he hasn't got much game time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 08, 2017, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Dexy on January 08, 2017, 05:10:23 PM
I believe its just in case we have to call on Boaz , Foster does have injuries here and there and it must be months since Myhill played.
If the others took their chances we wouldn't be talking about Myhill.
I can see your point,but as we are practically safe for another year,this was  arguably the most important game of the season left for us,and we were already evans down,so why unsettle the defence even more it was a bad decision by tp
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 08, 2017, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on January 08, 2017, 07:27:26 PM
I can see your point,but as we are practically safe for another year,this was  arguably the most important game of the season left for us,and we were already evans down,so why unsettle the defence even more it was a bad decision by tp
Why? A 2md choice goalkeeper at our level should be able to put in a decent shift v lower league not fanny about and feckin up basics?
He should be shown the door not up to it now.
Thanks Boars.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 08, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on January 08, 2017, 07:46:11 PM
Why? A 2md choice goalkeeper at our level should be able to put in a decent shift v lower league not fanny about and feckin up basics?
He should be shown the door not up to it now.
Thanks Boars.

True, but surely TP would realise that Myhill is not capable of that any longer, as soon as the team news was announced I knew there was a serious weak link in our line up and it wasn't Olsson for once. Dsiappoints me, knowing that we have done so well in the league that we have points to play with, we choose to '#rest' our first choice keeper when it is a position where a rest isn't needed and our back up is not suitable. A good cup run was pivotal for me this season, and TP has to take the blame for the defeat for making such a poor selection, also for bringing HRK on as opposed to Chadli as the first change. HRK is poor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 08, 2017, 08:43:14 PM
Myhill is still a decent keeper. Not 1st team Prem standard but definitely championship quality. He just needs games, sitting on the bench is detrimental to his motivation. He's done a very good job for us when called upon over the years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 10, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 08, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
True, but surely TP would realise that Myhill is not capable of that any longer, as soon as the team news was announced I knew there was a serious weak link in our line up and it wasn't Olsson for once. Dsiappoints me, knowing that we have done so well in the league that we have points to play with, we choose to '#rest' our first choice keeper when it is a position where a rest isn't needed and our back up is not suitable. A good cup run was pivotal for me this season, and TP has to take the blame for the defeat for making such a poor selection, also for bringing HRK on as opposed to Chadli as the first change. HRK is poor.
I think sometimes we hang on to players to long.Boaz was very good when Foster was out.
My worry now is if Foster gets another injury? And if Pulis is concerned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 10, 2017, 10:28:03 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on January 10, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
I think sometimes we hang on to players to long.Boaz was very good when Foster was out.
My worry now is if Foster gets another injury? And if Pulis is concerned.

Yes, absolutely, I was one of those questioning how easy it would be Foster to walk straight back in on his return to fitness such was Myhill's form. Maybe part of the problem now is that Boaz knows he WON'T be getting a run in the side so his motivation to be 100% on top of his game is naturally going to be somewhat less that it would be if he thought there was any chance of him getting regular games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 12, 2017, 12:21:55 PM
so folks what do you reckon his shelf life is
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 12, 2017, 12:23:36 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 12, 2017, 12:21:55 PM
so folks what do you reckon his shelf life is

Assuming we don't fall off a cliff I imagine he'll get another new contract in the summer. End of 19/20 season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 12, 2017, 12:27:08 PM
Stating the blindingly obvious,
if results remain at current level, he will be here as long as he wants to be IMO.

Would be nice to think he can continue to improve "style" but thats for the supporters benefit not the money men.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 12, 2017, 01:11:07 PM
Putting my thoughts in never really liking his style of football to one side. he has done a remarkable job getting us to 8th in the league and don't think any other manager would better this with the squad we have. its now up to the clubs hierarchy to back him with serious money if they want to aim higher. Pulis will need more quality needed to challenge the top 6 positions..
I still get the jekyl & hyde syndrome watching us and never not knowing what teams turned up frustrates me to death sometimes.
would he deserve to be replaced? NO
can he take us further? that's the Pulis enigma where nothing would surprise me and he has this knack of proving people wrong.
Think he's here for at least another 18 months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 12, 2017, 02:50:02 PM
TP will only be leaving if HE wants to. A cock-up in this window, and a false start in the next will pee him off........not to mention me and thousands of others, but back him with some fair amount of cash,  and we have got as good a manager as we are likely to get.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 12, 2017, 10:43:45 PM
Pretty much regardless of what happens from now on he isn't quitting he needs the money, unless of course he can engineer a pay off.

I can't see the club replacing him unless our form regresses back to where it was tail end of last season beginning of this in those circumstances he's shelf life might be measured in weeks.

I think we are lumbered with him for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 12, 2017, 11:08:36 PM
I doubt Pulis spent all that cash tbh. Most likely it was invested so he'll cash some of it in. He's not going to be desperate to stay in work with us just so he can pay it off.

"Lumbered" in the top half.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 13, 2017, 06:45:11 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on January 12, 2017, 11:08:36 PM
I doubt Pulis spent all that cash tbh. Most likely it was invested so he'll cash some of it in. He's not going to be desperate to stay in work with us just so he can pay it off.

"Lumbered" in the top half.

The settlement was considerably more than the original bonus so while not on his uppers there is less money in the Pulis coffers so throwing away a £2m a year job because he doesn't get what he want's in the transfer market probably isn't on the agenda right now.

Top half bottom half Europa league Champions of Europe whatever in my view still lumbered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 13, 2017, 09:29:12 AM
Yes we are lumbered with one of the best coaches wev`e ad in a while keep it up Tony
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on January 13, 2017, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: wba13 on January 13, 2017, 09:29:12 AM
Yes we are lumbered with one of the best coaches wev`e ad in a while keep it up Tony

Personally I'm very happy with how things are atm when you consider how things have been, the football we have played and the results we have had during pulis' time at the club...

But just out of interest, what makes you believe he is the 'best'? Based on what factors? 

I feel as long as things stay the way they are or improve we are going to see pulis here for a good few years... they will only get rid if it all goes pear shaped and we stop picking up points, there is no reason for any change atm imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on January 13, 2017, 10:39:15 AM
The sample size is just way way too small to say who is the best and worst manager really

So many different things affect results. Example

- Transfers coming in
- Transfers going out
- The ability of a squad a manager inherits
- Injuries and suspensions of both us and other teams
- Other luck such as deflected goals, offside goals, penalties, red cards (and no luck never evens itself out that's not how probability works)
- Coaching staff
- Performance of other teams in the league
- Off field drama's and sagas. Ala Berahino, Anelka, Odemwingie

Obviously happy with how things are going, but will always cautiously dish out praise or criticism to a manager

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 13, 2017, 10:46:13 AM
We are usually defensively sound, generally scoring goals and generally playing decent football. The names of managers that are touted whenever there's a vacancy hmmm.....TP will do just fine for a while in my book assuming the common sense approach to strengthening the squad continues. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 13, 2017, 10:57:27 AM
Now I can see the type of football he is trying to play he can be here as long as he wants to be in my eyes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on January 13, 2017, 11:23:50 AM
Quote from: Adder on January 13, 2017, 10:46:13 AM
We are usually defensively sound, generally scoring goals and generally playing decent football. The names of managers that are touted whenever there's a vacancy hmmm.....TP will do just fine for a while in my book assuming the common sense approach to strengthening the squad continues.
this defensively sound is something of a fallacy imo. We keep very few clean sheets and our goalkeeper is one of the busiest in the league.What we do do as well as most teams is probably damage limitation but this is only achieved by sacrificing attacking intent. It may be somewhat ironical but by being better attacking wise may well improve us defensively
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 13, 2017, 11:29:12 AM
Quote from: hardtobeat on January 13, 2017, 11:23:50 AM
this defensively sound is something of a fallacy imo. We keep very few clean sheets and our goalkeeper is one of the busiest in the league.What we do do as well as most teams is probably damage limitation but this is only achieved by sacrificing attacking intent. It may be somewhat ironical but by being better attacking wise may well improve us defensively

Spot on, both on the stats and attack being best form of defence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 13, 2017, 12:57:23 PM
Honestly? Not just talking from the standpoint that I don't like him?

I can see us getting to forty points and then tailing off again, finishing top of the bottom half on 46/47 points. From there, it will depend on the new owners. If they decide they want their own man, they'll do it this summer. If they don't, Pulis will get another 12 months (at least).

Under Peace, we all know which way it would go. But I don't think anybody knows what we'll get from Lai and his co-investors yet, and this Summer will be show us how they see the clubs future.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 13, 2017, 01:00:42 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on January 13, 2017, 12:57:23 PM
Honestly? Not just talking from the standpoint that I don't like him?

I can see us getting to forty points and then tailing off again, finishing top of the bottom half on 46/47 points. From there, it will depend on the new owners. If they decide they want their own man, they'll do it this summer. If they don't, Pulis will get another 12 months (at least).

Under Peace, we all know which way it would go. But I don't think anybody knows what we'll get from Lai and his co-investors yet, and this Summer will be show us how they see the clubs future.

Of course you are correct in this, we will soon know if they are Chinese version of JP or more akin to the Evil Dr at Vile.
I hope for something like JP with more spends and a bit quicker off the mark in decision making, but time will tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on January 13, 2017, 01:10:02 PM
I doubt we will see or hear very little from the owners, the chairman is the one to watch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 13, 2017, 01:56:14 PM
Came in to do a job did that kept us up 2 seasons ago a Peace remit did the same thing last year with an ageing squad Now this season has gone a bit more attack minded and the squad age is slowly being bought down. I think i`m inclined to believe what Mouriniho says about him then anyone with an agenda against him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 13, 2017, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on January 13, 2017, 12:57:23 PM
Honestly? Not just talking from the standpoint that I don't like him?

I can see us getting to forty points and then tailing off again, finishing top of the bottom half on 46/47 points. From there, it will depend on the new owners. If they decide they want their own man, they'll do it this summer. If they don't, Pulis will get another 12 months (at least).

Under Peace, we all know which way it would go. But I don't think anybody knows what we'll get from Lai and his co-investors yet, and this Summer will be show us how they see the clubs future.




Wasn't his contract extended for another 12 months already this season after the new owners took over? So we've got TP until at least the end of 2018, and they were obviously happy with this or wouldn't have extended it. Can't see them getting rid in the summer after only just doing this at the end of October
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 13, 2017, 03:57:05 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on January 13, 2017, 03:56:10 PM


Wasn't his contract extended for another 12 months already this season after the new owners took over? So we've got TP until at least the end of 2018, and they were obviously happy with this or wouldn't have extended it. Can't see them getting rid in the summer after only just doing this at the end of October

Really, this is the premier league, contract lengths mean naff all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 13, 2017, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 13, 2017, 03:57:05 PM
Really, this is the premier league, contract lengths mean naff all

If they meant naff all why did we extend it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 13, 2017, 09:13:23 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on January 13, 2017, 11:23:50 AM
this defensively sound is something of a fallacy imo. We keep very few clean sheets and our goalkeeper is one of the busiest in the league.What we do do as well as most teams is probably damage limitation but this is only achieved by sacrificing attacking intent. It may be somewhat ironical but by being better attacking wise may well improve us defensively
We've conceded 24 goals in 20 games, which is only 1 or 2 more than some big clubs above us. I doubt Foster is one of the busiest in the league actually....it's hardly the Alamo in our penalty area. Yes we sacrifice some attacking intent against the big boys but generally our balance between attack and defence is much better. Attacking intent - well  didn't have that thread re can we score 40 goals and we currently have 28 with 18 games to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on January 14, 2017, 08:06:04 PM
With the squad of players we have got at the minute then Tony has done a good job, but if we want to move to the next level then we have to change the coach that is my opinion.
We need to be more creative and I'm afraid that isn't in his make up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 14, 2017, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: paulosull on January 14, 2017, 08:06:04 PM
With the squad of players we have got at the minute then Tony has done a good job, but if we want to move to the next level then we have to change the coach that is my opinion.
We need to be more creative and I'm afraid that isn't in his make up.

There isn't a next level without an investment of around 300 million.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 14, 2017, 08:08:25 PM
Quote from: paulosull on January 14, 2017, 08:06:04 PM
With the squad of players we have got at the minute then Tony has done a good job, but if we want to move to the next level then we have to change the coach that is my opinion.
We need to be more creative and I'm afraid that isn't in his make up.

What do you actually see as the next level?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 14, 2017, 08:19:28 PM
1 defeat and out they come were still 8 th and he`s doing a good job and with the right investment he could possibly do better
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on January 14, 2017, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 14, 2017, 08:07:56 PM
There isn't a next level without an investment of around 300 million.

I posted this in the after match debate

We all know that being a Albion supporter is like rider a roller coaster but really today showed just how far we are from being a top team the work ahead for the club is colossus. In three seasons time their shouldn't be a player starting todays game left in our squad . A total rebuild is required.

£300 million dosent sound to far fetch to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on January 14, 2017, 08:42:29 PM
 I amnot a Pulis fan and in all honesty probably never will be but i would like to ask why we have tamely surrendered to the top 6 but the likes of Bournmouth, Burnley Watford have not only gone toe to toe but have on the odd occasion come out on the right side of the result against them??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 14, 2017, 08:56:22 PM
Sometimes football works in mysterious ways last season we had a few good results against top 6 teams but this season were beating the teams around us . looks to be working were still 13 points away from bottom 3 but the top 6 in a world of there own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on January 14, 2017, 09:26:59 PM
Looking at some of the other teams struggles we are actually sitting nicely. Bournemouth are the golden boys and yet below us, out of the cup and lost at Hull 3-1. Can you imagine the reaction  if we'd lost like that at Hull.
This season the top 6 strengthened and are further away than ever, we are part of the pack looking at 7 down and yet Everton are on a different level to us (hence the Schneiderlin transfer).
I'm not a fan of Pulis style but think he has done really well this year with what we have got. Need some new players badly. Williams and Hammond talk a good game but so far no evidence of anything changing on the transfer front.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 14, 2017, 09:33:23 PM
I was told a stat today that the top 6 if they carry on as they are will all have enough points for what would have been top 4 any other season and 6th would have enough points to have won the league some seasons.

The top 6 have improved massively. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on January 14, 2017, 09:50:14 PM
Quite simply, doing a good job with the squad he has. I can see steady progress both in relation to results and performances. We are not going to challenge the top 6 and Everton are in a league of their own in 7th (must be strange), so think TP is doing just fine at the moment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 14, 2017, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: timdon on January 14, 2017, 09:50:14 PM
Quite simply, doing a good job with the squad he has. I can see steady progress both in relation to results and performances. We are not going to challenge the top 6 and Everton are in a league of their own in 7th (must be strange), so think TP is doing just fine at the moment

I don't think Everton are in a league of their own in 7th at all.  They won't be consistent enough to be out of reach.  Just takes one of the big 6 to win the FA Cup and 7th place could mean Europe.

Our next 6 games are all against teams below us.  12 points from those 18 and we could well be on for 7th place.

Vital that we keep going and don't do what we did under Clarke after Xmas. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 14, 2017, 10:18:24 PM
Totally agree only the top 6 are different class but 7 th is what we have to aspire to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on January 14, 2017, 11:08:16 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on January 14, 2017, 08:08:25 PM
What do you actually see as the next level?
after the game today the lack of depth in our squad is a big concern. We are still and will always be in a position to be relegated evey season. To get to next level then there needs to be a major overhaul of transfer policy in conjunction with stadium expansion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on January 14, 2017, 11:09:57 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 14, 2017, 08:07:56 PM
There isn't a next level without an investment of around 300 million.
then you'd better hope owners have deep pockets :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on January 15, 2017, 12:07:49 AM
There are some on this forum and surprisingly a moderator who don't seem to be able to tolerate fans who have a different opinion on Pulis and his style, including on the after match thread. You might not agree but there is no need to be patronising and critical because they don't conform to your point of view. Just saying.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 15, 2017, 12:08:53 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on January 15, 2017, 12:07:49 AM
There are some on this forum and surprisingly a moderator who don't seem to be able to tolerate fans who have a different opinion on Pulis and his style, including on the after match thread. You might not agree but there is no need to be patronising and critical because they don't conform to your point of view. Just saying.

What was said?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on January 15, 2017, 12:14:17 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on January 15, 2017, 12:08:53 AM
What was said?

I'm talking in general basically. Have a look at the after match thread for example and there are some snide comments aimed at anti-Pulis fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 15, 2017, 07:29:25 AM
That's because you hear nothing from them when results are good, when we've played well etc yet as soon as we lose one game out they come. And it's not just fair criticism, thats fine, its the over the top comments and relentless negativity that grinds you down .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 15, 2017, 08:35:10 AM
Quote from: paulosull on January 14, 2017, 11:08:16 PM
after the game today the lack of depth in our squad is a big concern. We are still and will always be in a position to be relegated evey season. To get to next level then there needs to be a major overhaul of transfer policy in conjunction with stadium expansion

Everything depends on what your definition of the next level actually is for us and you still haven't really told us what it is.  Transfer policy has been poor at the club for years now and stadium expansion is never going to happen when our attendances have been steadily decreasing.

You can talk of the next level all you want but it could easily be argued that we have been punching well above our weight this season especially given the lack of squad depth you mentioned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jefferson on January 15, 2017, 09:50:53 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on January 14, 2017, 09:33:23 PM
I was told a stat today that the top 6 if they carry on as they are will all have enough points for what would have been top 4 any other season and 6th would have enough points to have won the league some seasons.

The top 6 have improved massively.

City, Arsenal and Spurs are at a similar level to last season. Liverpool, Chelsea and now United have improved. Liverpool and Chelsea were mid table last season.

Everton have been poor this season and are a comfortable 7th.

The league has been dire this season below the top teams.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 15, 2017, 09:54:28 AM
I find some fans bizarre some times. People wanted Pulis to change his tactics, throughout the season he's changed being defensive for more attacking, as a result we ship more goals and aren't as tight, but as a result we can also score more than 1 goal per game now.

The philosophy has changed, now we can beat lower teams at home, but lose more to the better teams as we're playing differently. He could have put McClean in for Chadli yesterday from the start to defend more, but Chadli was started and didn't defend, as a result we really suffered. But overall we have improved, we're 8th in the league with those above us having much bigger budgets.

Overall I would sacrifice losing to the bigger teams whilst beating the smaller teams (and with more flair at the same time). If you want both, then that just isn't possible on our budget and it would turn Pulis into some kind of top 4 manager which isn't realistic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 15, 2017, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: jefferson on January 15, 2017, 09:50:53 AM
City, Arsenal and Spurs are at a similar level to last season. Liverpool, Chelsea and now United have improved. Liverpool and Chelsea were mid table last season.

Everton have been poor this season and are a comfortable 7th.

The league has been dire this season below the top teams.

I've heard this quoted a couple of times now. Has it?? Is this because we have looked better this season so far than we did last, therefore everyone else isn't as good as they were?

From an Albion perspective, unless you're tremendously cynical and a glass always half empty kind of supporter, it's shaping up to be a great season.

As for 'the next level', a top half finish or, dare we hope for, staying eighth, is probably IT.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 15, 2017, 10:38:53 AM
We have our most important run of games this season coming up. Sunderland (h), Boro (a), Stoke (h), West Ham (a), Bournemouth (h) and Palace (h).

Those are the run of fixtures Pulis will be judged on as they will really show where we should be expecting to finish in the league. If we continue the way we have been against such sides we should finish top half but the way this league is we could easily struggle and get dragged into a relegation scrap its just the nature of the league. I wouldn't even say it's that all teams below top 6 are rubbish it's just that it's more competitive than ever between the rest of the sides.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 15, 2017, 10:51:38 AM
Funny story.

Anti Pulis folks said in the summer we were being left behind and all the other teams were strengthening and improving beyond us.

Now we find ourselves in 8th and the same people are now saying it's a poor league full of poor teams.

You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on January 15, 2017, 10:53:23 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on January 15, 2017, 08:35:10 AM
Everything depends on what your definition of the next level actually is for us and you still haven't really told us what it is.  Transfer policy has been poor at the club for years now and stadium expansion is never going to happen when our attendances have been steadily decreasing.

You can talk of the next level all you want but it could easily be argued that we have been punching well above our weight this season especially given the lack of squad depth you mentioned.
challenging for trophies and god forbid League's, we used to do that at this level.Chelsea and man city won nothing for years until new investment came along but they had the foresight to make their clubs appealing to new investors. We are the only club I think in the top flight who has reduced it's stadium capacity. I hope that our new owners can take advantage of the situation our club finds its self in as being the only club in the area playing in Prem. Short term that requires marquee signings and attractive football to get fans back, mid to long term we should become the biggest football club in area
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 15, 2017, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: paulosull on January 15, 2017, 10:53:23 AM
challenging for trophies and god forbid League's, we used to do that at this level.Chelsea and man city won nothing for years until new investment came along but they had the foresight to make their clubs appealing to new investors. We are the only club I think in the top flight who has reduced it's stadium capacity. I hope that our new owners can take advantage of the situation our club finds its self in as being the only club in the area playing in Prem. Short term that requires marquee signings and attractive football to get fans back, mid to long term we should become the biggest football club in area
would you like a blindfold for your execution sir? ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 15, 2017, 11:08:21 AM
The mythical next level. That place somewhere over the footballing rainbow where we stand toe to toe with Barcelona in front of 60,000 fans at the Nou Hawthorns just give me £300m and I will take you there.

It would come as no surprise that I don't think that Pulis is the man to take us there but then again I'm not sure there is anyone that could.

The reality is this the top six have wage bills that are are least 50% greater than ours (Spurs) and anything up to four times ours in United. This season is what the Premier League should look like not that the big 6 always get it right and when they don't we want to be in the chasing pack.

The absolute best we can hope for is to be generally free from relegation worries like Everton, Southampton, West Ham, Stoke, Leicester, keep doing the right things and hope for a break out season. Leicester proved one thing is there is no glass ceiling if you can break out but equally they are now proving that without monumental or very smart investment it is difficult to sustain.  Leicester stopped being smart the moment they won the league.

The big clubs can make mistakes in the transfer market blow £50m on a player it doesn't matter because there is another lump of sponsorship money coming next year and the year after. The lesser lights is everyone outside the current top 6 can't but what is worse by buying off the big club's back lot they let them off the hook.

Under Ashworth we were smart we have moved progressively away from that model and Pulis represents the pinnacle of the old style buy at peak don't develop and focus on the British market which is fine if we have the odd £300m to spare but is dumb as hell if you don't.

When he came to club I wrote that my issues were two fold style but the bigger problem was long term he represented a lot of discredited old school thinking that didn't move us on from always being on the margins of the relegation scrap. It might reduce the risk of relegation but it also minimised the  chances of something better.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 15, 2017, 11:32:51 AM
Whereas in reality he's almost entirely removed the threat of relegation and made us best of the rest.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 15, 2017, 12:48:36 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 15, 2017, 11:08:21 AM
The mythical next level. That place somewhere over the footballing rainbow where we stand toe to toe with Barcelona in front of 60,000 fans at the Nou Hawthorns just give me £300m and I will take you there.

It would come as no surprise that I don't think that Pulis is the man to take us there but then again I'm not sure there is anyone that could.

The reality is this the top six have wage bills that are are least 50% greater than ours (Spurs) and anything up to four times ours in United. This season is what the Premier League should look like not that the big 6 always get it right and when they don't we want to be in the chasing pack.

The absolute best we can hope for is to be generally free from relegation worries like Everton, Southampton, West Ham, Stoke, Leicester, keep doing the right things and hope for a break out season. Leicester proved one thing is there is no glass ceiling if you can break out but equally they are now proving that without monumental or very smart investment it is difficult to sustain.  Leicester stopped being smart the moment they won the league.

The big clubs can make mistakes in the transfer market blow £50m on a player it doesn't matter because there is another lump of sponsorship money coming next year and the year after. The lesser lights is everyone outside the current top 6 can't but what is worse by buying off the big club's back lot they let them off the hook.

Under Ashworth we were smart we have moved progressively away from that model and Pulis represents the pinnacle of the old style buy at peak don't develop and focus on the British market which is fine if we have the odd £300m to spare but is dumb as hell if you don't.

When he came to club I wrote that my issues were two fold style but the bigger problem was long term he represented a lot of discredited old school thinking that didn't move us on from always being on the margins of the relegation scrap. It might reduce the risk of relegation but it also minimised the  chances of something better.


And that's the conundrum!

Once again this window, we appear to have restricted ourselves to players who fit a specific profile, because they are the type of player who a) fits our Head Coach's playing style & b) responds well to our Head Coach's motivational style.
Wouldn't a Head Coach with a more flexible & nurturing style give us more options. The coach him/her self might be more expensive, but the players they help to recruit might not be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 15, 2017, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 15, 2017, 11:08:21 AM
The mythical next level. That place somewhere over the footballing rainbow where we stand toe to toe with Barcelona in front of 60,000 fans at the Nou Hawthorns just give me £300m and I will take you there.

It would come as no surprise that I don't think that Pulis is the man to take us there but then again I'm not sure there is anyone that could.

The reality is this the top six have wage bills that are are least 50% greater than ours (Spurs) and anything up to four times ours in United. This season is what the Premier League should look like not that the big 6 always get it right and when they don't we want to be in the chasing pack.

The absolute best we can hope for is to be generally free from relegation worries like Everton, Southampton, West Ham, Stoke, Leicester, keep doing the right things and hope for a break out season. Leicester proved one thing is there is no glass ceiling if you can break out but equally they are now proving that without monumental or very smart investment it is difficult to sustain.  Leicester stopped being smart the moment they won the league.

The big clubs can make mistakes in the transfer market blow £50m on a player it doesn't matter because there is another lump of sponsorship money coming next year and the year after. The lesser lights is everyone outside the current top 6 can't but what is worse by buying off the big club's back lot they let them off the hook.

Under Ashworth we were smart we have moved progressively away from that model and Pulis represents the pinnacle of the old style buy at peak don't develop and focus on the British market which is fine if we have the odd £300m to spare but is dumb as hell if you don't.

When he came to club I wrote that my issues were two fold style but the bigger problem was long term he represented a lot of discredited old school thinking that didn't move us on from always being on the margins of the relegation scrap. It might reduce the risk of relegation but it also minimised the  chances of something better.

Plus a good run in the Cups, which is our sole hope of winning something.  And we know how that worked out!

Perversely it is almost a disappointment if we get to this current points tally too early - it leaves us nothing much to play for until the end of the season.  The drama and excitement of a relegation dogfight is almost better than mindless drifting for 4 months!   Cup runs are crucial for clubs like ours.

If the gap between the top 6 and the rest stabilises (Leicester's freak year has distorted things) then we might as well have the top 6 forming a "Premier Premier League" or going off and playing in a European Premier League with Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG, Bayern Munich etc, otherwise everyone is soon going to get very bored with the current Premier League while it stagnates.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 15, 2017, 01:25:37 PM
Why change the manager when were 8th you fans have faith in our currant manager players will come to our club but but we have to wait for that domino effect to start, remember were trying to buy player`s to go straight into the first team not squad filler`s.Another thing thing is you say change the head coach to suit our style with who. What names are about you can put up a list but just look who have changed managers this season and who they replaced them with Palace Big Sam old school Swans Clement failed at Derby Hull Silva yes we all said who`s that so sometimes it`s better to stick or come unstuck yourself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 15, 2017, 03:31:53 PM
Quote from: wba13 on January 15, 2017, 01:25:37 PM
Why change the manager when were 8th you fans have faith in our currant manager players will come to our club but but we have to wait for that domino effect to start, remember were trying to buy player`s to go straight into the first team not squad filler`s.Another thing thing is you say change the head coach to suit our style with who. What names are about you can put up a list but just look who have changed managers this season and who they replaced them with Palace Big Sam old school Swans Clement failed at Derby Hull Silva yes we all said who`s that so sometimes it`s better to stick or come unstuck yourself.
I have asked the same question of the people knocking Pulis and had no reply.
They do not know.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on January 15, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on January 14, 2017, 10:11:01 PM
I don't think Everton are in a league of their own in 7th at all.  They won't be consistent enough to be out of reach.  Just takes one of the big 6 to win the FA Cup and 7th place could mean Europe.

Our next 6 games are all against teams below us.  12 points from those 18 and we could well be on for 7th place.

Vital that we keep going and don't do what we did under Clarke after Xmas.
There isn't the remotest chance we will finish above Everton. If Pulis gets us into the top 10 at the end of the season, that is a great achievment. Talk of Europe at this stage is just plain deluded
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 15, 2017, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: timdon on January 15, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
There isn't the remotest chance we will finish above Everton. If Pulis gets us into the top 10 at the end of the season, that is a great achievment. Talk of Europe at this stage is just plain deluded

I disagree. Everton are in reach.  They are clearly favourites to finish 7th and I certainly wouldn't put money on us finishing above them, but it is far from impossible.  They are as capable of a bad run as we are of a good run.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 15, 2017, 04:49:32 PM
Quote from: timdon on January 15, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
There isn't the remotest chance we will finish above Everton. If Pulis gets us into the top 10 at the end of the season, that is a great achievment. Talk of Europe at this stage is just plain deluded

Totally agree.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 15, 2017, 04:53:43 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 15, 2017, 11:32:51 AM
Whereas in reality he's almost entirely removed the threat of relegation and made us best of the rest.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on January 15, 2017, 04:54:27 PM
This squad maybe is good enough for top 10 if they stay relatively injury free. I think Tony is over achieving a bit with this squad and squeezing the last bit of blood from some old stones in the club.

We do need better players and better manger stability will help in recruitment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on January 15, 2017, 05:03:53 PM
Hate his style of play but have to admit that he is doing a good job!. But with him at the helm we will be top 10 or thereabouts. We have little or no chance of getting into Europe this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 15, 2017, 07:05:51 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on January 15, 2017, 04:54:27 PM
This squad maybe is good enough for top 10 if they stay relatively injury free. I think Tony is over achieving a bit with this squad and squeezing the last bit of blood from some old stones in the club.

We do need better players and better manger stability will help in recruitment.

Agree with this. I think finishing top 10 this season will be a good result considering our summer where we could done better. We need some squad investment though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on January 15, 2017, 07:17:51 PM
The thing is, for all of the money that Everton spend on wages and transfer fee's above what we pay (and others), what have they achieved and what can they achieve that's worth it? They may be hoping for a freak season when they can get into the Champions League and compete to some level, but is all that extra cash spent over the years worth it at the end of the day? I suppose the fans get to see a couple of good players occasionally so that's alright, but other than that, what have they really done in recent times? We don't have their profile or their attendances so it's not really worth us splurging loads of money at some far-fetched dream.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jefferson on January 15, 2017, 07:24:20 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 15, 2017, 11:08:21 AM
The mythical next level. That place somewhere over the footballing rainbow where we stand toe to toe with Barcelona in front of 60,000 fans at the Nou Hawthorns just give me £300m and I will take you there.

We should be aiming to at least compete in games.

Arsenal and Chelsea away we competed and nearly hung on for a point.

Spurs at home we competed well and nearly won, yet yesterday we could have lost by 8 or 9. Man City destroyed us at our place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 15, 2017, 07:36:17 PM
Quote from: jefferson on January 15, 2017, 07:24:20 PM
We should be aiming to at least compete in games.

Arsenal and Chelsea away we competed and nearly hung on for a point.

Spurs at home we competed well and nearly won, yet yesterday we could have lost by 8 or 9. Man City destroyed us at our place.
That happens in football. Some do not seem to realise that 11 guys go out and with the best will in the World it can go tit's up! Remember the 5-5 v Man U ? Some games go right others go wrong. In Pulis I trust to get the business done over a season.
We have only had 2 managers Roy and Tony who are proven Prem mukkas.The rest have been amateurs who have moved on to lesser roles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 15, 2017, 07:57:30 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on January 15, 2017, 07:36:17 PM
That happens in football. Some do not seem to realise that 11 guys go out and with the best will in the World it can go tit's up! Remember the 5-5 v Man U ? Some games go right others go wrong. In Pulis I trust to get the business done over a season.
We have only had 2 managers Roy and Tony who are proven Prem mukkas.The rest have been amateurs who have moved on to lesser roles.
One of those amateur gave us our highest top flight finish for 30 years. something Hodgson or Pulis haven't done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 15, 2017, 08:02:34 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 15, 2017, 07:57:30 PM
One of those amateur gave us our highest top flight finish for 30 years. something Hodgson or Pulis haven't done.
He was living on Hodgson's legacy.Failed and was sacked. And done f/all since. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 15, 2017, 08:08:08 PM
But that was with Hodgson`s team when he tried to build his own team it soon went tit`s up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 15, 2017, 08:10:24 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on January 15, 2017, 08:02:34 PM
He was living on Hodgson's legacy.Failed and was sacked. And done f/all since.
its still a fact. Hodgson failed with England it doesn't make him a failure or an amateur.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 15, 2017, 08:12:37 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 15, 2017, 07:57:30 PM
One of those amateur gave us our highest top flight finish for 30 years. something Hodgson or Pulis haven't done.

Mate, Odemwingie in his pomp and the small matter of a now £65 million striker.

As soon as Clarke tried to stamp his own identity on the team we won 4 league matches in a calendar year until he was sacked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 15, 2017, 08:12:57 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 15, 2017, 08:10:24 PM
its still a fact. Hodgson failed with England it doesn't make him a failure or an amateur.
The almighty God would fail with "England"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 15, 2017, 09:24:40 PM
still a fact he's got Albion an higher finish than both Hodgson and Pulis. this isn't about how good or how bad he was its to do with calling someone an amateur who's achieved something two other managers haven't with 50 years experience between them.
Clarke is a well respected coach, maybe not managerial material so I willl show him the respect I have for him for what he achieved here, no different that I respect what Pulis is trying to do . if posters start calling Pulis an amateur all his sock washers would come out the woodwork.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 15, 2017, 09:36:58 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 15, 2017, 09:24:40 PM
still a fact he's got Albion an higher finish than both Hodgson and Pulis. this isn't about how good or how bad he was its to do with calling someone an amateur who's achieved something two other managers haven't with 50 years experience between them.
Clarke is a well respected coach, maybe not managerial material so I willl show him the respect I have for him for what he achieved here, no different that I respect what Pulis is trying to do . if posters start calling Pulis an amateur all his sock washers would come out the woodwork.
Clarke is a very good coach.There is a big difference in being a manager.
Now go and wash your socks and use conditioner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on January 15, 2017, 10:01:18 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on January 15, 2017, 09:24:40 PM
still a fact he's got Albion an higher finish than both Hodgson and Pulis. this isn't about how good or how bad he was its to do with calling someone an amateur who's achieved something two other managers haven't with 50 years experience between them.
Clarke is a well respected coach, maybe not managerial material so I willl show him the respect I have for him for what he achieved here, no different that I respect what Pulis is trying to do . if posters start calling Pulis an amateur all his sock washers would come out the woodwork.
To try to suggest that Steve Clarke is a better manager than either Hodgson or Pulis is risible. Just examine their lifetime records, there is no comparison. And please dont come back with the old chestnut about our best ever season etc etc. As others have explained, there are particular reasons for this season, some of which can be credited to his predecessor, and some of which to the good luck in having Lukaku for a year. After that, the guy failed miserably, as he has done in every managerial post since
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 15, 2017, 10:19:01 PM
Quote from: jefferson on January 15, 2017, 09:50:53 AM
City, Arsenal and Spurs are at a similar level to last season. Liverpool, Chelsea and now United have improved. Liverpool and Chelsea were mid table last season.

Everton have been poor this season and are a comfortable 7th.

The league has been dire this season below the top teams.

Anything you would like to add tonight?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 15, 2017, 10:36:56 PM
Quote from: timdon on January 15, 2017, 10:01:18 PM
To try to suggest that Steve Clarke is a better manager than either Hodgson or Pulis is risible. Just examine their lifetime records, there is no comparison. And please dont come back with the old chestnut about our best ever season etc etc. As others have explained, there are particular reasons for this season, some of which can be credited to his predecessor, and some of which to the good luck in having Lukaku for a year. After that, the guy failed miserably, as he has done in every managerial post since
would be wise to read the thread before making suggestion you've imagined.
nowhere have I said he's a better manager because he isn't.
nowhere have I said it was our best season, it was our highest finish that I was stating.
isn't the good luck we had having Lukaku down to Steve Clarke, didn't he bring him to the club.
he's a professional coach not an amateur
yes he has failed at management and if people want to gloat on his failings fire away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 15, 2017, 10:53:17 PM
Latest from Pulis.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/867436621?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 16, 2017, 06:46:25 AM
TP will be seething soon, now being linked with Jason Lowe of BLACKBURN ROVERS ! wonder whose idea that was.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 16, 2017, 07:05:45 AM
Pulis by focusing almost exclusively on the British market is part of the problem. Whatever budget we have goes a lot less further and we aren't using the one competitive advantage we have in the market place we pay a lot more money than 90% of the continental clubs. In England the only teams we can massively out bid are those in the Championship so we are struggling to find good players that want to join the club. We are looking for the rare bird like Chadli who wants to play football at almost any level rather than sit on a contract at a bigger on the off chance that they might get a shot there.

Equally there is a long line of "quality" players that drop out of the big 6 and never recapture the form that got them the move in the first place. Wilfred Bony anyone?

In short Pulis has no right to be fuming.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 16, 2017, 07:43:06 AM
Not only does he focus on the British market they also need a clear link to Manchester United.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 16, 2017, 10:35:58 PM
TP is doing a great job with the current squad. However, the club is rapidly approaching a pivotal transfer period (summer) where the constraints in TP's requirements could see us in major difficulties.
We have to hope that the new owners obviate this problem by either
a) a large enough war chest, or
b) an insistence upon opening up the pool of prospective recruits
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 17, 2017, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 16, 2017, 10:35:58 PM
TP is doing a great job with the current squad. However, the club is rapidly approaching a pivotal transfer period (summer) where the constraints in TP's requirements could see us in major difficulties.
We have to hope that the new owners obviate this problem by either
a) a large enough war chest, or
b) an insistence upon opening up the pool of prospective recruits
He does have "overseas" players in his teams. Needs a balance really.Must be quite difficult.
Right player right mix.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on January 17, 2017, 10:35:16 PM
Quote from: Albionic on January 16, 2017, 10:35:58 PM
TP is doing a great job with the current squad. However, the club is rapidly approaching a pivotal transfer period (summer) where the constraints in TP's requirements could see us in major difficulties.
We have to hope that the new owners obviate this problem by either
a) a large enough war chest, or
b) an insistence upon opening up the pool of prospective recruits
for a few seasons now the squad of players has been ageing and there has been little investment in rectify this problem. The transfer window has been a let down yet again by the owners two players left on loan and at the minute no one coming in. Thought with new chairman and technical director that they should have identified the short comings of the first team put plan's in place to bring in if not option A then B or even C but as per down the hawthorns they don't do it that way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 17, 2017, 10:50:56 PM
Your trying to make out our recruitment staff are doing nothing why is the transfer window a let down there are still 2 weeks to go players will have identifide Its not like going to the supermarket  to do your shopping I believe players will arrive the Hawthorns it`s Know different to most other clubs who have yet to make any signing`s
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 17, 2017, 11:05:05 PM
Tony Pulis is not a top manager because ultimately none of the big six teams would employ him. I do not believe his "style" would be accepted at any of the clubs by support or directors alike. (He is more likely to get a national job than a top club job as style is less of a requirement.) We are the only Premier League team in the area now and we still have to significantly reduce our prices to get people to come through the gates to watch us play and I'm sure that would not be accepted elsewhere.
Tony is good at what he does and it appears we are getting more effective at "Pulisball" this season but it still doesn't inspire me to watch functional football where apparently we believe a misplaced pass is a good thing if it turns the defense! (Maybe it is, but surely a successful pass is better!)
Perhaps he is the best that we can expect and some people are happy with what he dishes up, each to their own, but I'm having far more fun this season watching Stourbridge than I had last season watching us. Maybe it isn't as successful or as high a standard but it is more fun and entertaining than most of last season. Even had a decent cup run.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on January 18, 2017, 12:05:16 AM
Quote from: wba13 on January 17, 2017, 10:50:56 PM
Your trying to make out our recruitment staff are doing nothing why is the transfer window a let down there are still 2 weeks to go players will have identifide Its not like going to the supermarket  to do your shopping I believe players will arrive the Hawthorns it`s Know different to most other clubs who have yet to make any signing`s
mate your missing the point our recruitment over several transfer window s has been in adequate, we have an ageing squad with no real depth and  chairmen and owners must be blind if they can't see that. Don't care what other clubs do but lack of action is a real concern
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 18, 2017, 06:33:45 AM
Quote from: paulosull on January 18, 2017, 12:05:16 AM
mate your missing the point our recruitment over several transfer window s has been in adequate, we have an ageing squad with no real depth and  chairmen and owners must be blind if they can't see that. Don't care what other clubs do but lack of action is a real concern

I think our overall league position is masking the deficiency of this squad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 18, 2017, 08:53:47 AM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on January 15, 2017, 09:36:58 PM
Clarke is a very good coach.There is a big difference in being a manager.
Now go and wash your socks and use conditioner.
You mean fabric softener?
And you shouldn't use it in sports clothing washes..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 18, 2017, 09:06:35 AM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on January 18, 2017, 08:53:47 AM
You mean fabric softener?
And you shouldn't use it in sports clothing washes..

You should always use it with socks  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 18, 2017, 09:47:39 AM
Our recruitment staff are that inadequate in the last few windows Hmmmm, that wev`e only signed Fletcher, Evans, Rondon, Chadli and to a lesser extent Phillips and Nyom  thats 6 players in the last 4 windows who have been really good for the team and I think most of those players would get into most of the sides below us.so how inadequate does that make them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 18, 2017, 12:10:51 PM
Quote from: wba13 on January 18, 2017, 09:47:39 AM
Our recruitment staff are that inadequate in the last few windows Hmmmm, that wev`e only signed Fletcher, Evans, Rondon, Chadli and to a lesser extent Phillips and Nyom  thats 6 players in the last 4 windows who have been really good for the team and I think most of those players would get into most of the sides below us.so how inadequate does that make them.

How many of the teams above us would they get into that should be the benchmark.
Add to that list of players you mention Sandro, Pritchard. Gnabry, Chester, Galloway then the shine comes off a little doesn't it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 18, 2017, 12:50:40 PM
No at present the sides above us arn`t the benchmark the sides around us are AS Pulis stated top 6 as we all know are miles away from the rest and Everton are closing in. We don`t have the spending power of any of the sides above us but agree we do have to try to keep tags on Everton As for that list of player`s you put up we wern`t stupid enough to buy 4 of those player`s and except for Gnabry what of they done so far with there career`s and Chester well we never lost money on him and he ply`s his trade in the championship
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 19, 2017, 02:26:37 PM
Still waiting for a list of Tony Pulis's failed signings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 02:48:33 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 19, 2017, 02:26:37 PM
Still waiting for a list of Tony Pulis's failed signings.

Have a Snickers, you turn into a right diva when you're hungry  ;D

The list of his successful signings were detailed as follows "Evans, Fletcher, Chadli, Phillips, Rondon"

In another thread a week or so back I listed those that were unsuccessful off the top of ones head as being "McManaman, Lindegaard, Galloway, Pritchard, Lambert, Chester, Gnabry"

And I threw in a couple of Stoke signings for good measure as they act as a handy barometer of how he has blown money in the past on players that he has failed to utilise. All pertinent.

Tuncay, Edu, Palacios, Arismendi

This is without even researching any other signings he may have dropped the ball on in his time with Stoke.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on January 19, 2017, 02:51:48 PM
What about his good signings for stoke then, surely thats only fair? or does that not support your argument ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 19, 2017, 02:51:59 PM
So Pulis' best signings are amongst our most expensive ones? And his worst ones are the loans / free / cheap ones? Chester is the anomaly but hey, he didn't play and we made a profit. Great deal.

Cool. Proof he can be trusted to spend money then eh!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on January 19, 2017, 02:54:06 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 02:48:33 PM
Have a Snickers, you turn into a right diva when you're hungry  ;D

The list of his successful signings were detailed as follows "Evans, Fletcher, Chadli, Phillips, Rondon"

In another thread a week or so back I listed those that were unsuccessful off the top of ones head as being "McManaman, Lindegaard, Galloway, Pritchard, Lambert, Chester, Gnabry"

And I threw in a couple of Stoke signings for good measure as they act as a handy barometer of how he has blown money in the past on players that he has failed to utilise. All pertinent.

Tuncay, Edu, Palacios, Arismendi

This is without even researching any other signings he may have dropped the ball on in his time with Stoke.

And the way i see that, theres 3 half season loans, a keeper who was here on 3rd choice.

lambert was a rubbish signing i agree, chester wrong place, wrong time and we recouped our money on him, and somethings gone on with mcmanman behind the scenes i think.

1 maybe 2 failures who have cost us money i think out that list
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 02:55:59 PM
Ultimately the interpretation will always depend on which side of the fence you sit when it comes to the bloke. It is pointless debating it for that precise reason, but I was asked to provide the list of signings that have not come off for Pulis and I duly provided it, which, value of the players concerned aside, is longer than the successes for what it is worth.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on January 19, 2017, 02:56:44 PM
Baffles me why he takes other clubs young players in on loan, why not loan in some experience players who can help us out and give our own academy products game time?

Yes hes made some ridiculous signings, but he has also got us some great quality players in... his loan signings on the other hand are questionable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kamarasboot on January 19, 2017, 03:45:17 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 02:48:33 PM
Have a Snickers, you turn into a right diva when you're hungry  ;D

The list of his successful signings were detailed as follows "Evans, Fletcher, Chadli, Phillips, Rondon"

In another thread a week or so back I listed those that were unsuccessful off the top of ones head as being "McManaman, Lindegaard, Galloway, Pritchard, Lambert, Chester, Gnabry"

And I threw in a couple of Stoke signings for good measure as they act as a handy barometer of how he has blown money in the past on players that he has failed to utilise. All pertinent.

Tuncay, Edu, Palacios, Arismendi

This is without even researching any other signings he may have dropped the ball on in his time with Stoke.

Not too sure what your point is with listing what you perceived to be Pulis' bad signings? Name me a manager who hasn't got a list of who their fans think are bad signings - its part of the game unfortunately some signings just don't come off for whatever reason.

You say he's blown money here but my reckoning the Net transfer cost of those you mention for the Albion is probably 6m over the period of them being at the club - chicken feed in todays Market.

I'm by no means Pulis' biggest fan (more a style thing more than anything not the results) but to hammer him on this is a bit weak in my eyes

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 03:49:01 PM
Quote from: kamarasboot on January 19, 2017, 03:45:17 PM
Not too sure what your point is with listing what you perceived to be Pulis' bad signings? Name me a manager who hasn't got a list of who their fans think are bad signings - its part of the game unfortunately some signings just don't come off for whatever reason.

You say he's blown money here but my reckoning the Net transfer cost of those you mention for the Albion is probably 6m over the period of them being at the club - chicken feed in todays Market.

I'm by no means Pulis' biggest fan (more a style thing more than anything not the results) but to hammer him on this is a bit weak in my eyes

I was asked to?

Thanks to it being spread over a number of different threads this is all out of context now, but in the Livermore thread someone was on about Pulis being trustworthy in the transfer market listing 5 'successful' signings he had made for us, I queried that point noting that he has also made an equal list of unsuccessful signings. Nothing to do with money spent etc, I just raised the fact that he has signed players in his short period with us that he has not used and the number of people on that list is higher than his 'successes'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 19, 2017, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 03:49:01 PM
I was asked to?

Thanks to it being spread over a number of different threads this is all out of context now, but in the Livermore thread someone was on about Pulis being trustworthy in the transfer market listing 5 'successful' signings he had made for us, I queried that point noting that he has also made an equal list of unsuccessful signings. Nothing to do with money spent etc, I just raised the fact that he has signed players in his short period with us that he has not used and the number of people on that list is higher than his 'successes'.

It has everything to do with not wasting money, because if you do, you will be relegated.

The only real failure is Lambert, that happens, it was a reasonable gamble at the time that did not pay off, most of TP's signings have been good or great value.

As a stick to beat him with, as time goes by, it looks more like a stick of celery.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 04:45:04 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 19, 2017, 04:37:45 PM
It has everything to do with not wasting money, because if you do, you will be relegated.

The only real failure is Lambert, that happens, it was a reasonable gamble at the time that did not pay off, most of TP's signings have been good or great value.

As a stick to beat him with, as time goes by, it looks more like a stick of celery.

The fact money may have been recouped does not mean that the signings were not a failure. Did those players listed go on to contribute for us? Ultimately no, ergo they were failed signings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on January 19, 2017, 06:24:20 PM
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/868091481?-11200:789:0

Tony pulis gives me attacking freedom.

Oh no , here goes another myth put to bed

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 19, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 04:45:04 PM
The fact money may have been recouped does not mean that the signings were not a failure. Did those players listed go on to contribute for us? Ultimately no, ergo they were failed signings.

Only the best 11 can play every week, but every squad has millions of pounds on the bench providing important cover, most costing way more than us, some clubs spend lots more on players who never play and move on.
I don't think anything would change your view, re its set in stone, regardless of the facts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 07:01:05 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on January 19, 2017, 06:24:20 PM
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/868091481?-11200:789:0

Tony pulis gives me attacking freedom.

Oh no , here goes another myth put to bed

Yes, because he is really going to criticise the man who has his selection in his hands on a weekly basis...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 07:02:50 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 19, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Only the best 11 can play every week, but every squad has millions of pounds on the bench providing important cover, most costing way more than us, some clubs spend lots more on players who never play and move on.
I don't think anything would change your view, re its set in stone, regardless of the facts.

I could quite easily say the same for you, you support Pulis, I have my reservations about him, both of us will manipulate the facts to our own end for that precise reason. Not quite sure what you are seeking to prove? The fact that Pulis has only been with us for two years and those players I listed have come in and gone out the door, not still 'providing cover' for us, tells the tale.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 19, 2017, 07:12:47 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 07:02:50 PM
I could quite easily say the same for you, you support Pulis, I have my reservations about him, both of us will manipulate the facts to our own end for that precise reason. Not quite sure what you are seeking to prove? The fact that Pulis has only been with us for two years and those players I listed have come in and gone out the door, not still 'providing cover' for us, tells the tale.

The 'facts' are, we have gone from relegation fodder to 8th in the league, with a squad slowly being enhanced in many ways, dead wood being shifted, during a period when JP would only spend the bare minimum and the great sulk Berahino still skulks around taking up a squad place, pretty impressive I think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 19, 2017, 07:15:31 PM
Fritzl and you say I`m a moaner listen to yourself a player praises his manager and what do you do but criticise him. In your opinion anything Pulis does is wrong I agree with the black pearl on his opinion of you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 08:38:25 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 19, 2017, 07:12:47 PM
The 'facts' are, we have gone from relegation fodder to 8th in the league, with a squad slowly being enhanced in many ways, dead wood being shifted, during a period when JP would only spend the bare minimum and the great sulk Berahino still skulks around taking up a squad place, pretty impressive I think.

Again, not really anything to do with the initial conversation I was having in the original thread that you decided to wade into. I have my reservations about TP, but at the minute I want him in charge until a better option comes along who will get players to play the style of football I want from us, is he an improvement on the previous incumbent? Of course, though I would likely be a better manager that Irvine. My point was that I would not trust him with a large warchest, hence why the discussion about his signings came up and I still would not, seeing us bid £17m on an average striker like Ighalo only strengthens the point in my mind. There is a whole different market out there that we just will not explore whilst TP is in charge and that is holding us back on the transfer front. The market he wants to deal in happens to be particularly pricey and sees dirge like Schlupp moving for £12m.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 08:39:15 PM
Quote from: wba13 on January 19, 2017, 07:15:31 PM
Fritzl and you say I`m a moaner listen to yourself a player praises his manager and what do you do but criticise him. In your opinion anything Pulis does is wrong I agree with the black pearl on his opinion of you.

Never said you are a moaner. Quite the opposite in fact, I wish I had your blind faith and optimism as opposed to my realism. Fortunately, your opinion is not one that carries any weight with me in the slightest for fairly obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 19, 2017, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 08:39:15 PM
Never said you are a moaner. Quite the opposite in fact, I wish I had your blind faith and optimism as opposed to my realism. Fortunately, your opinion is not one that carries any weight with me in the slightest for fairly obvious reasons.

Yet you ignore the evidence, that's not realism, we are the top club in the Premier League, position v income.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 19, 2017, 10:56:00 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 07:01:05 PM
Yes, because he is really going to criticise the man who has his selection in his hands on a weekly basis...

Some people can't win...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 19, 2017, 11:23:54 PM
Sorry fritzl but the only opinion`s  that counts are one`s that are worth some weight and your`s certainly don`t come into that catagory but YOU ARE ENTITLED TO AN OPINON and I respect that but we will always differ
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 20, 2017, 12:46:46 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on January 19, 2017, 10:56:00 PM
Some people can't win...

My point being that it hardly dispels any myths now does it. The guy is hardly going to come out and say Pulis is holding me back and stopping me from playing my natural game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 20, 2017, 07:20:30 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 20, 2017, 12:46:46 AM
My point being that it hardly dispels any myths now does it. The guy is hardly going to come out and say Pulis is holding me back and stopping me from playing my natural game.

You could say he didn't have to come out and say anything about Pulis at all, but what he did say was positive. For what it's worth, I think that the article mentioned is very good, and Phillips is very true and honest in what he says. It's clear he's thrived under Pulis since he was left out and given an 'arm round him', he's been scoring and assisting for fun. Is it so hard to give Pulis a bit of credit for that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 20, 2017, 08:54:43 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on January 20, 2017, 07:20:30 AM
You could say he didn't have to come out and say anything about Pulis at all, but what he did say was positive. For what it's worth, I think that the article mentioned is very good, and Phillips is very true and honest in what he says. It's clear he's thrived under Pulis since he was left out and given an 'arm round him', he's been scoring and assisting for fun. Is it so hard to give Pulis a bit of credit for that?

Once the dark cloud has descended, its hard to see beyond it to what are mostly sunnier uplands. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 20, 2017, 09:15:38 AM
Well, the evidence of us getting up the pitch quicker and MP having more of an influence on games definitely supports his statement that TP is encouraging his attacking play.

Of course, Pulis could be telling MP to stop getting forward and he's doing so in spite of instruction.  He then chooses to lie and say he is being told to get forward by Pulis.  I don't know about you, but I don't think Pulis is the kind of guy to put up with that behaviour from players.

I'm going to go with all of the evidence and say it's the first option.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 20, 2017, 09:35:37 AM
For what it's worth I do believe Pulis is keen for Phillips and Chadli/McClean or whomever is out wide to get on the ball and drive at defenders, but that wasn't the point I was making, yet again it is a twisting of words to support own agendas and further comments without addressing the points I made from The Pearl Necklace. Hey, if that's how you have to get a 'win' in your eyes then you carry on, I'll stick to debating the actual points made.

The original poster said it was a clear 'dispelling of myths', my point was that Phillips is hardly going to come out and criticise the hand that feeds him, if someone asks him a question of course he is going to be complimentary about TP, it is hardly dispelling any myths.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 20, 2017, 10:32:18 AM
And why would`nt he criticise the hand that feeds him any man worth his salt will say whatever he deems right not follow another man`s lead, if he believes it wrong he would say so and Phillips gave an honest answer to the question Pulis obviously is telling them to get forward as you can see bye his action`s on the touchline
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 20, 2017, 10:56:55 AM
Quote from: wba13 on January 20, 2017, 10:32:18 AM
And why would`nt he criticise the hand that feeds him any man worth his salt will say whatever he deems right not follow another man`s lead, if he believes it wrong he would say so and Phillips gave an honest answer to the question Pulis obviously is telling them to get forward as you can see bye his action`s on the touchline

I believe his desire to receive his appearance fee, goal bonus and other bonuses associated with playing regularly will have some part in his decision making there  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 20, 2017, 11:11:53 AM
So you're saying that you do believe Pulis wants Phillips to get forward.
And you agree that Phillips is getting forward.
And Phillips has said that Pulis wants him to get forward.

But you don't think that's dispelling any myths that Pulis doesn't tell his players to get forward?

Glad that's clear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 20, 2017, 11:18:20 AM
He made an honest assessment and you try and make out its to do with money I despair with you everything anyone seems to say you turn it on Pulis    and negativity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 20, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
The point has been completely lost on you  :-X

Original poster links the post and makes a bold statement as if Phillips coming out and being complimentary about Pulis dispels all thoughts anyone may have about 'Pulisball' and negative football. I query that to say that it can hardly be conclusive evidence of this being dispelled as the player who is reliant upon Pulis to pick him every week is hardly going to come out with any derogatory rhetoric about the bloke. That is the only point being made here.

I do wonder why I bother sometimes  ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kamarasboot on January 20, 2017, 11:33:22 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 19, 2017, 03:49:01 PM
I was asked to?

Thanks to it being spread over a number of different threads this is all out of context now, but in the Livermore thread someone was on about Pulis being trustworthy in the transfer market listing 5 'successful' signings he had made for us, I queried that point noting that he has also made an equal list of unsuccessful signings. Nothing to do with money spent etc, I just raised the fact that he has signed players in his short period with us that he has not used and the number of people on that list is higher than his 'successes'.

Personally think it depends on your interpretation of what a 'Failed Signing' is, to call it a failure in my eyes it needs to be a signing that didnt meet up to the reasons for signing them. ie Lindegaard was only ever signed as backup, he did that role - just because he transferred doesnt make it a failure

Sucesses:
Sandro
Mclean
Evans
Rondon
Chadli
Phillips
Nyom
HRK
Fletcher
Lindegaard

Failures:
Gnabry
Prithcard
Lambert
Galloway
Mcmanaman
Chester

I get that as more successes than failures?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 20, 2017, 11:34:24 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 20, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
The point has been completely lost on you  :-X

Original poster links the post and makes a bold statement as if Phillips coming out and being complimentary about Pulis dispels all thoughts anyone may have about 'Pulisball' and negative football. I query that to say that it can hardly be conclusive evidence of this being dispelled as the player who is reliant upon Pulis to pick him every week is hardly going to come out with any derogatory rhetoric about the bloke. That is the only point being made here.

I do wonder why I bother sometimes  ???
I don't think the point has been lost at all personally

You've tried to pick apart a players interview by saying well he wouldn't say anything bad would he...

All evidence points to the team playing better football, our attacking players given freedom to attack and Phillips has said he is encouraged to get forward

If that doesn't dispel the myths the Pulis stops his attacking players then maybe the fact he signed Phillips and Chadli in the first place will

I really don't get how anyone can pick apart Phillips comments without having an agenda against Pulis

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kamarasboot on January 20, 2017, 11:35:33 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 20, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
The point has been completely lost on you  :-X

Original poster links the post and makes a bold statement as if Phillips coming out and being complimentary about Pulis dispels all thoughts anyone may have about 'Pulisball' and negative football. I query that to say that it can hardly be conclusive evidence of this being dispelled as the player who is reliant upon Pulis to pick him every week is hardly going to come out with any derogatory rhetoric about the bloke. That is the only point being made here.

I do wonder why I bother sometimes  ???

So out of interest, what would be conclusive evidence?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2017, 11:47:37 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on January 20, 2017, 11:11:53 AM
So you're saying that you do believe Pulis wants Phillips to get forward.
And you agree that Phillips is getting forward.
And Phillips has said that Pulis wants him to get forward.

But you don't think that's dispelling any myths that Pulis doesn't tell his players to get forward?

Glad that's clear.

Am I the only person in the ground that both sees and hears Pulis shouting 'Forward' to the team, accompanied by some manic hand flapping?

He encourages counter attack, one of the very first problems he identified  when he arrived - referring to it as the turnover.

This thread kills me at times........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 20, 2017, 12:05:09 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 20, 2017, 11:47:37 AM
Am I the only person in the ground that both sees and hears Pulis shouting 'Forward' to the team, accompanied by some manic hand flapping?

He encourages counter attack, one of the very first problems he identified  when he arrived - referring to it as the turnover.

This thread kills me at times........

Many others have said the same thing, its not like you can not hear TP! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kamarasboot on January 20, 2017, 12:11:01 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on January 20, 2017, 11:47:37 AM
Am I the only person in the ground that both sees and hears Pulis shouting 'Forward' to the team, accompanied by some manic hand flapping?

He encourages counter attack, one of the very first problems he identified  when he arrived - referring to it as the turnover.

This thread kills me at times........

It's frustrating, very frustrating - I mean I'm not Pulis' biggest fan but he is hung out to dry by a section of our supporters based on a massive stereotype from his Stoke days. He could play 4 up front next week and people would still find a way to turn it back to 'Pulisball'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on January 20, 2017, 12:25:56 PM
Quote
So you're saying that you do believe Pulis wants Phillips to get forward.
And you agree that Phillips is getting forward.
And Phillips has said that Pulis wants him to get forward.

But you don't think that's dispelling any myths that Pulis doesn't tell his players to get forward?

Glad that's clear.

Love it! There's just no point in arguing with some folks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on January 20, 2017, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 20, 2017, 12:05:09 PM
Many others have said the same thing, its not like you can not hear TP! ;D
I sit right behind Pulis and his most common shout is 'take him on' to the wide men. He does want us to break quickly but the team is too old in places with no pace or energy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on January 20, 2017, 06:51:41 PM
Quote from: tylerm on January 20, 2017, 01:26:58 PM
I sit right behind Pulis and his most common shout is 'take him on' to the wide men. He does want us to break quickly but the team is too old in places with no pace or energy

Yep I can often hear 'take him on' 'go on Matty' etc. I think it's clear Pulis likes to keep a tight defence and get men behind the ball, but wants us to get up the pitch quickly when we do get the ball back down the wings. I imagine this is why the players go through the gruelling fitness training pre-season, and probably why some of the less fit, or dare I say 'lazier' players - McManaman, Berahino, Leko etc didn't get much game time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 21, 2017, 09:25:10 PM
Here`s one for all you Pulis hater`s Man UTD fan phones up Robbie Savage on 606 phone in and say`s Mourinio should be sacked and replaced with Mr Pulis so you could get your wish soon if that fan get`s his way ;) ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on January 21, 2017, 09:33:14 PM
Ok Mr Pulis, I never thought it would happen but I'm on the turn.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2017, 09:46:22 PM
Last season the squad was crying out for pace and width.  We had McManaman and McClean and it just wasn't good enough.  Phillips and Chadli then arrive, with Nyom rampaging from the back and Brunt restored to fitness, and suddenly the pace and width is there.  Leko for McManaman and there's full back-up.  No excuse whatsoever for the dross that we saw last season.

We now have enough pace and width to hurt any team, not just at home but also on the break when we are away. We have players throughout the team (and squad) who can score goals, including from corners and free kicks at which there's arguably no better team in the league.

We are now looking very much like the exciting Palace team that he kept up.  He's recruited well, and is now being well backed.  The pieces are all falling into place.

Replace Olsson with a younger centre back, get in another striker and ideally a box to box midfielder, and we'll be a very serious side indeed, one which should be consistently top 10.  If we get Charlie Taylor in the summer then all we will need over the next 12 months is a further CB to replace GMac who can't go on for ever, and Fletcher may then start needing to be phased out as well.   I think we may possibly lose Mozza in the summer, but all in all the squad is really taking shape, getting younger and raising the quality all the time, not just buying squad players but players who will strengthen the first eleven. 

We have to be excited about the next 2 years. Pulis is now doing a job which even his fiercest critics may be struggling to criticise.  Long may if continue, and am I alone in hoping that Fletcher gets groomed to be his eventual successor?






Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 21, 2017, 09:53:23 PM
Quote from: dan7heman on January 21, 2017, 09:33:14 PM
Ok Mr Pulis, I never thought it would happen but I'm on the turn.

I understand you can get hormone therapy to help ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on January 21, 2017, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on January 21, 2017, 09:53:23 PM
I understand you can get hormone therapy to help ;)

I'm beyond help lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on January 21, 2017, 10:28:07 PM
I have stopped hating Pulis.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 21, 2017, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on January 21, 2017, 10:28:07 PM
I have stopped hating Pulis.

Just down to a mild dislike now?  It's still progress though.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 21, 2017, 11:45:50 PM
People forget how awful we were before he took over.

32 points from 22. Positive GD, younger more talented squad.

He's done a fantastic job. Only Conte and Pochettino are perhaps doing better jobs at the moment in the premiership.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on January 22, 2017, 12:08:37 AM
winning me over slowly but he is ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 22, 2017, 12:26:24 AM
Yep. I've been a massive critic but there has been a huge improvement in our mindset. We now look to win our games rather than hold the defensive line. There are still games when its not pretty but that's ok when you know that we will set out to win the winnable games. I feel good about the next 4-5 matches and I'm starting to get the excitement back.

For two years I've been saying that our players were better suited to playing on the front foot through midfield, and we are now seeing that. Still some areas of the squad to strengthen, in particular the defence as I think that sadly this will be the final season for McAauley as starter, but if we can continue to pick up points over the next two months we may be in a good position to start attracting the next level of quality to our team.

Well done to Puis and the team, I'm starting to feel the pride again!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 22, 2017, 07:58:02 AM
Quote from: frazzle on January 22, 2017, 12:26:24 AM
Yep. I've been a massive critic but there has been a huge improvement in our mindset. We now look to win our games rather than hold the defensive line. There are still games when its not pretty but that's ok when you know that we will set out to win the winnable games. I feel good about the next 4-5 matches and I'm starting to get the excitement back.

For two years I've been saying that our players were better suited to playing on the front foot through midfield, and we are now seeing that. Still some areas of the squad to strengthen, in particular the defence as I think that sadly this will be the final season for McAauley as starter, but if we can continue to pick up points over the next two months we may be in a good position to start attracting the next level of quality to our team.

Well done to Puis and the team, I'm starting to feel the pride again!

Oh please!

Nothing to do with squad improvement then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 22, 2017, 08:32:25 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 22, 2017, 07:58:02 AM
Oh please!

Nothing to do with squad improvement then.

Sorry? Not sure what could upset you when I've said that there has been an improvement from the manager to the players.

Nyom, Chadli andPhillips have been good signings, but its blindingly obvious that there has also been a change to our intent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on January 22, 2017, 08:41:46 AM
Give this man a 5 year contract  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 22, 2017, 08:43:13 AM
Quote from: frazzle on January 22, 2017, 08:32:25 AM
Sorry? Not sure what could upset you when I've said that there has been an improvement from the manager to the players.

Nyom, Chadli andPhillips have been good signings, but its blindingly obvious that there has also been a change to our intent.

Because of the additions. Last seasons squad were not remotely suited to playing on the front foot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 22, 2017, 09:22:58 AM
It is not solely down to signings. Pulis has had decent teams in the past and has seldom played with much attacking intent nor was the squad ever as bad as it was painted. Phillips has improved us but Chadli's impact has been marginal for a large part of the season yesterday was the first where he has shown his class in any meaningful way for the better part of two months.

I am generally happy with progress don't get me wrong it is relief not having to watch the dour defensive dross that was being served up. The next test for coach and players is can it be sustained through to end of the season when we are not under any real pressure?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 22, 2017, 10:08:32 AM
Getting Brunt and Morrison back at the same time was like a new signing. Especially compared to also having Phillips and Chadli available.  Rondon has also looked a different too. Combine those it's allowed us to be a bit more expansive
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 22, 2017, 12:29:58 PM
Pulis is a wanted man. Man Utd!  ;D

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbc606/status/822873534691098624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw (https://mobile.twitter.com/bbc606/status/822873534691098624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on January 22, 2017, 01:31:41 PM
Quote
Yep. I've been a massive critic but there has been a huge improvement in our mindset. We now look to win our games rather than hold the defensive line.

Surely you can see that the improvements are down to the fact that we have much better attacking players available. We were forced to grind out results last season because of squad shortages and long-term injuries to Brunt and Morrison. Now that they're back and we've added Phillips, Chadli and Nyom it means that half the team has changed. We're still a long way behind the top seven in terms of resources and ability but an eighth-place finish is entirely feasible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 22, 2017, 01:56:46 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 22, 2017, 09:22:58 AM
It is not solely down to signings. Pulis has had decent teams in the past and has seldom played with much attacking intent nor was the squad ever as bad as it was painted. Phillips has improved us but Chadli's impact has been marginal for a large part of the season yesterday was the first where he has shown his class in any meaningful way for the better part of two months.

I am generally happy with progress don't get me wrong it is relief not having to watch the dour defensive dross that was being served up. The next test for coach and players is can it be sustained through to end of the season when we are not under any real pressure?


If you look at Pulis' recent clubs in isolation...

Stoke - it was ugly, but he found a way to get them up and stay up. It was working for him and he kept it as it was.

Crystal Palace - Really was a fight to keep them up (more so than us) and he played some good football with them - quick direct counter attacking with good use of wingers.

WBA - He's now putting in place his vision, i dont believe he would develop a team like his Stoke team from scratch if he had his chance again, and it appears he is not.

Quick, direct, counter attacking football with a solid defensive foundation is what i enjoy watching as a football fan and Pulis is on his way to providing that. More quality required but we will get there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on January 22, 2017, 02:01:31 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on January 22, 2017, 01:56:46 PM
If you look at Pulis' recent clubs in isolation...

Stoke - it was ugly, but he found a way to get them up and stay up. It was working for him and he kept it as it was.

Crystal Palace - Really was a fight to keep them up (more so than us) and he played some good football with them - quick direct counter attacking with good use of wingers.

WBA - He's now putting in place his vision, i dont believe he would develop a team like his Stoke team from scratch if he had his chance again, and it appears he is not.

Quick, direct, counter attacking football with a solid defensive foundation is what i enjoy watching as a football fan and Pulis is on his way to providing that. More quality required but we will get there.
depends on how far the new owners are prepared to back him,being the only main land chinese owner they will want to push the Albion brand as high as they can get it for revenue off shirts etc,we could be looking at 30 plus million spend wih minus outs this winter window,unknown under JP
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 22, 2017, 02:51:15 PM
Quote from: Xpresso on January 22, 2017, 01:31:41 PM
Surely you can see that the improvements are down to the fact that we have much better attacking players available. We were forced to grind out results last season because of squad shortages and long-term injuries to Brunt and Morrison. Now that they're back and we've added Phillips, Chadli and Nyom it means that half the team has changed. We're still a long way behind the top seven in terms of resources and ability but an eighth-place finish is entirely feasible.

Exactly, the Pulis knockers refuse to accept that the squad was pretty dire when he took over, JP was only doing the bare minimum, Berahino was sulking, he deserves manager of 2016 award for what he has done.
Their grudging praise is frankly embarrassing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nocky on January 22, 2017, 03:02:42 PM
He's done a superb job. Think about the state we were in when he took over and where we are now; it's chalk and cheese. He's improved us immensely and is now combining fantastic results with good football. What more do people want???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 22, 2017, 03:10:56 PM
Doing an absolutely cracking job all things considered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 22, 2017, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 22, 2017, 02:51:15 PM
Exactly, the Pulis knockers refuse to accept that the squad was pretty dire when he took over, JP was only doing the bare minimum, Berahino was sulking, he deserves manager of 2016 award for what he has done.
Their grudging praise is frankly embarrassing.
He was a very astute signing by JP.
Very few could do what he has.
Which is why none of the knockers can ever suggest a sensible alternative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 22, 2017, 04:13:12 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 22, 2017, 02:51:15 PM
Exactly, the Pulis knockers refuse to accept that the squad was pretty dire when he took over, JP was only doing the bare minimum, Berahino was sulking, he deserves manager of 2016 award for what he has done.
Their grudging praise is frankly embarrassing.

Wind it in a bit. I have given him a hard time when I think he's deserved it, and I've given him praise in this thread. Don't need you doing a victory dance just because we have a different view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on January 22, 2017, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: Nocky on January 22, 2017, 03:02:42 PM
He's done a superb job. Think about the state we were in when he took over and where we are now; it's chalk and cheese. He's improved us immensely and is now combining fantastic results with good football. What more do people want???

WE really look the part at the moment though we really needed that win so as the great work continued after two poor games and to get back on track.

I was at Stoke for Irvine's last game as we looked doomed - TP has done wonders to steady us and then rebuild slowly. If we can get the squad bolstered in the new two transfer windows with the new regime's backing then we can really start looking forward and positively rather than the negativity and small minded attitude around the place under Peace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 23, 2017, 09:03:02 PM
Albion coach Ben Garner linked with taking over the managers post at Forest,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 23, 2017, 09:26:36 PM
Quote from: frazzle on January 22, 2017, 04:13:12 PM
Wind it in a bit. I have given him a hard time when I think he's deserved it, and I've given him praise in this thread. Don't need you doing a victory dance just because we have a different view.

I will when you demonstrate that the criticism of Pulis was badly considered, ill informed and now, with hindsight, wrong. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 23, 2017, 09:31:42 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 23, 2017, 09:26:36 PM
I will when you demonstrate that the criticism of Pulis was badly considered, ill informed and now, with hindsight, wrong. ;)

It was not badly considered. It was not ill-informed, but it may have been wrong.... :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 23, 2017, 09:49:04 PM
Still believe the Pulis hater`s did not look at the overall picture He came in to keep us 14/15 up then to consolidate 15/16 and then to move forward starting 16/17 he is slowly  moving out the deadwood along with bringing in better and more attack minded player`s. We are now starting to look like a useful side When he arrived he said this would be a big job and it could take awhile  and he was true to his word and now we are starting to see the benefits
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 23, 2017, 10:19:26 PM
Quote from: frazzle on January 23, 2017, 09:31:42 PM
It was not badly considered. It was not ill-informed, but it may have been wrong.... :D

At this point I would like to remind you that you wanted Tim Sherwood as manager.......

I'll just let that hang there for a moment. :o :o ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 24, 2017, 12:39:57 AM
If that's true then I think he's fried your bacon with that one Frazzle  :)  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 24, 2017, 09:17:58 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on January 24, 2017, 12:39:57 AM
If that's true then I think he's fried your bacon with that one Frazzle  :)  ;) .

Actually, Frazzle at least makes reasoned arguments for his dislike of Pullis, not the more extreme bile that some have come out with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 24, 2017, 09:44:34 AM
Quote from: frazzle on January 23, 2017, 09:31:42 PM
It was not badly considered. It was not ill-informed, but it may have been wrong.... :D

I laughed at that.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 24, 2017, 07:26:24 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on January 23, 2017, 10:19:26 PM
At this point I would like to remind you that you wanted Tim Sherwood as manager.......

I'll just let that hang there for a moment. :o :o ;D

I think that must have been the day my account was hacked.  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2017, 03:30:39 PM
anybody thinks he has a big club in him,(aint being rude either) man u fan on 5 live last week said we should go get him :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 29, 2017, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2017, 03:30:39 PM
anybody thinks he has a big club in him,(aint being rude either) man u fan on 5 live last week said we should go get him :D
doubt it very much now, at 59 its probably passed him by anyway.
he would have done a better job than Moyes at Man Utd.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 29, 2017, 03:41:37 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2017, 03:30:39 PM
anybody thinks he has a big club in him,(aint being rude either) man u fan on 5 live last week said we should go get him :D

I don't think so, he's suited to a club the size of ours just as the likes of Allardyce and Hodgson are but would struggle at a big club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 29, 2017, 07:17:44 PM
Allardyce and Hodgson both had the biggest side in this country and cold`nt hacket
             
                              ENGLAND :P :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on January 29, 2017, 08:21:07 PM
Quote from: wba13 on January 29, 2017, 07:17:44 PM
Allardyce and Hodgson both had the biggest side in this country and cold`nt hacket
             
                              ENGLAND :P :P

Since Sir Alf Ramsey who has.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on January 29, 2017, 09:02:01 PM
Someone will one day probably not be in my lifetime but it will happen :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 30, 2017, 06:45:49 PM
Pullis talks about fishing in a small pond - unfortunately his rigid player requirements lead to the small pond - we will do better when he leaves and the water gates open :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on January 31, 2017, 11:29:06 PM
I proposed a thought to a friend the other night that we might lose pulis to another team. He can't be happy with the way the last two windows have gone. You never know, Leicester who are having the season they should of had last year will sack the tinker man if there is a sign they may go down. Stranger things have happened that he'll be seen as the perfect bloke to keep them up. And I wouldn't be surprised to see him go. Just a thought
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2017, 11:39:15 PM
Quote from: Topman on January 31, 2017, 11:29:06 PM
I proposed a thought to a friend the other night that we might lose pulis to another team. He can't be happy with the way the last two windows have gone. You never know, Leicester who are having the season they should of had last year will sack the tinker man if there is a sign they may go down. Stranger things have happened that he'll be seen as the perfect bloke to keep them up. And I wouldn't be surprised to see him go. Just a thought

I'd guess the opposite, assuming the wheels don't come off he'll get a 3 year deal in the summer.

Re. Leicester there is no upside in going there. What has just happened can never be bettered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 01, 2017, 02:01:39 AM
Either Pulis is happy paying lip service to the club or there is a conflict - statements about pushing on,  being different  under Lai, signing players to improve the first XI, then ending the window with Livermore, one striker down and Wilson as back up centre back/ utility player is a bit surprising. You can't help but feel Pulis is
just a bit underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 09:47:33 AM
As long as we make a good fist of the last 15 matches TP will be there for the long haul
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 01, 2017, 02:43:01 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2017, 11:39:15 PM
I'd guess the opposite, assuming the wheels don't come off he'll get a 3 year deal in the summer.

Re. Leicester there is no upside in going there. What has just happened can never be bettered.

Spot on, that job has become a poisoned chalice now, will always be compared to "that" season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on February 01, 2017, 06:42:26 PM
I am 100% convinced Tony Pulis holds us back from signing players. I mean Hammond must have recommended loads of foreign talent to him, Ignacio Camacho (Malaga), Adrien Silva (Sporting Lisbon), Islam Slimani (When he was at Sporting), Laurent Depoitre (Genk now transferred to Porto), that I can think of. All players we have tried for and unsuccessfully signed. You cant tell me that they would have liked his style of Football, I admire Hammond for putting these talented players to him, he holds us back, as he wants us to sign his type of players.

Gamboa saying you need a pair of high heels to play for him, sums him up to a tea. The loan signing of Wilson just goes to show how bad he is. I seriously worry who we are going to attract in the summer. Then he has the nerve to snidely joke about the window on Match Of The Day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 01, 2017, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on February 01, 2017, 06:42:26 PM
I am 100% convinced Tony Pulis holds us back from signing players. I mean Hammond must have recommended loads of foreign talent to him, Ignacio Camacho (Malaga), Adrien Silva (Sporting Lisbon), Islam Slimani (When he was at Sporting), Laurent Depoitre (Genk now transferred to Porto), that I can think of. All players we have tried for and unsuccessfully signed. You cant tell me that they would have liked his style of Football, I admire Hammond for putting these talented players to him, he holds us back, as he wants us to sign his type of players.

Gamboa saying you need a pair of high heels to play for him, sums him up to a tea. The loan signing of Wilson just goes to show how bad he is. I seriously worry who we are going to attract in the summer. Then he has the nerve to snidely joke about the window on Match Of The Day.
Has it escaped your notice that we have improved as a team and are playing half decent football under Pulis ? The club can be interested in players and then find out that the price is prohibitive as was the case with Slimani. We were competing with the champions for his signature after all. Silva was pretty much told he couldn't leave anyway. We are not as attractive an option as Everton (Schneiderlin)....or West Ham (location). There are a whole number of reasons why we may not sign players we have an interest in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 07:46:55 PM
Totally agree adder as for Gamboa Celtic have played 40 games in all competitions and he has appeared 12 times hardly 1st on the team sheet is he in a league where most sides wouldn`t beat our championship sides
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2017, 07:56:52 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 07:46:55 PM
Totally agree adder as for Gamboa Celtic have played 40 games in all competitions and he has appeared 12 times hardly 1st on the team sheet is he in a league where most sides wouldn`t beat our championship sides

The original poster was only quoting Gamboa in order to substantiate his point, he wasn't claiming he is a player of any particular quality! The point made by the OP was that Pulis' preference for a certain stature of player does in someway restrict us in terms of recruiting potential signings and is a totally valid point. I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that we are playing better football now, that isn't the point that the OP was making. It is a fact that regardless of how we are currently performing, there will always be players who will be looked over and ignored by Pulis because of height/strength/lack of engine issues and there will always be players who given the choice of a couple or more clubs to sign for will have us at the bottom of the list. What you gain with Pulis on one hand, you lose on the other and that will always be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Paulsammax on February 01, 2017, 08:06:53 PM
Are we being held back? 8th in the PL - and nowadays we expect to get a result against anyone but the big 6. Doesn't feel like we are being held back to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 08:30:05 PM
For a manager who can`t attract players he  hasn`t done to badly Chadli, Evans,Fletcher Phillips Rondon Nyom all bought in by TP and tey bought into Pulis style of football and as adder says we are 8th
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on February 01, 2017, 08:47:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan on February 01, 2017, 07:56:52 PM
What you gain with Pulis on one hand, you lose on the other and that will always be.

and is exactly the same as every other Manager/Head Coach..... at almost every club.

Quote from: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 08:30:05 PM
For a manager who can`t attract players he  hasn`t done to badly Chadli, Evans,Fletcher Phillips Rondon Nyom all bought in by TP and tey bought into Pulis style of football and as adder says we are 8th

Very true..

Gradual and consistent improvements... that seems to be the Pulis way...


and for that People are still complaining  ???


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on February 01, 2017, 08:53:26 PM
In answer to the thread - No.

Have a look at where we are in the league......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 09:03:09 PM
Like your quote skyclad which i`d have thought of it ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2017, 09:05:12 PM
Quote from: Aixelsyd on February 01, 2017, 08:47:10 PM
and is exactly the same as every other Manager/Head Coach..... at almost every club.

Very true..

Gradual and consistent improvements... that seems to be the Pulis way...


and for that People are still complaining  ???

I don't think anyone can argue that the football has improved vastly since around late September/October time. I think the frustrations/complaints arise precisely because of our current position and apparent stability in this league. We are undoubtedly in the best position in terms of both league placing and financially than we have been in my time watching the Albion (from 1983). This is why a number of supporters want us to actually live up to this billing and push on a bit. The expectation is there now that has NEVER been there in my Albion supporting years so it's human nature to expect the club to be acting in accordance and match the increased expectation that comes with being stable in the Premier League with the level of funds that we have NEVER had before! I'm not saying we should break the bank and risk doing a Leeds and Portsmouth, etc, but just show a bit more to match our standing. All the time we've been pooh over the years (which is far more longer than is the opposite!), there was never the level of complaints and frustration over transfer dealings because we KNEW we were pooh and we KNEW we were skint! We are neither of those now so THAT is the reason why some fans are naturally a bit frustrated with certain aspects of the club. I don't think it's anything to do with the new generation of fans/social media that some like to think the reason is, it's probably more so the old(er) generation who have always had to put up with the lack of ambition in the transfer market and now we are in the best position we have ever been in in the modern era, actually want to see the club act in a way that reflects that!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 01, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
Our fans must be some of the least knowledgeable in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 01, 2017, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 01, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
Our fans must be some of the least knowledgeable in the Premier League.
No they are not, they are realists, we are still not that impressive i m o we are having a bit of luck and long may it continue but some of our players are still left wanting. We still need a left back, a center half and a goal scorer, lets not get carried away with our position just look at Leicester!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 01, 2017, 09:42:01 PM
He's doing a very good job at the moment he creates his own limitations. The small pond were fishing in is due to his requirements. This is why we struggled this window. However I would rather him be kept on a short leash here then like at stoke where he just drunk money up the wall. The way we conduct our transfer business has meant he has had to incrementally improve the team and build it brick by brick. I think if we gave him loads of money we would be far worse off.

If he beats our prem points tally this year and over sees the passing off the old guard over the next few years (eventually brunt Morrison mcauley etc) and brings in the new age and we're constantly hitting top half table and having go in cups not sure what else he or anybody else could do
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 10:49:01 PM
nathan a decent post except for the part about the older generation as I am one of them I watched the Albion bring in some some very good players over the years for vast`s amount of money in there day ie Laurie and Willie the wing wizards the king Jeff, John Wile and then we broke the complete country transfer record in buying  David Mills enough said about him.back in the 60`s and 70`s we were competitive in the transfer market. To me it is the outset of sky and being in europe that changed everything transfer wise
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 10:49:01 PM
nathan a decent post except for the part about the older generation as I am one of them I watched the Albion bring in some some very good players over the years for vast`s amount of money in there day ie Laurie and Willie the wing wizards the king Jeff, John Wile and then we broke the complete country transfer record in buying  David Mills enough said about him.back in the 60`s and 70`s we were competitive in the transfer market. To me it is the outset of sky and being in europe that changed everything transfer wise

That is most certainly the reason for the ever increasing difference in spending power between the elite and for the obscene fees. I was unfortunate to miss out of the heyday's of the 60's and late 70's, I'm only 40 and didn't stat going up until '83 so all I've really experienced is a continual flow of our best players going to be replaced by average/rubbish! As you say, prior to that, we were obviously very competitive in the market and I just feel that as now, being as we are in arguably the best position we have been in since those days of the late 70's, I think that there are some that see that this is the time when we should again be edging towards being more competitive and that is what is leading to the build up of frustrations. Victims of our own (gradual) progress I suppose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2017, 11:05:48 PM
I'm yet to see a single poster suggest a player we should have gone for that we could have realistically signed this past month that would improve the 1st XI.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2017, 11:13:50 PM
What is a Tony Pulis type player? the squads made up of different ages, height, nationality, capabilities,.
 the title of this thread is  Does Tony Pulis style and his preference to buy his type of players hold us back.
wouldn't it be odd for him to buy players that didn't suit his style and preference?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on February 01, 2017, 11:20:51 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2017, 11:05:48 PM
I'm yet to see a single poster suggest a player we should have gone for that we could have realistically signed this past month that would improve the 1st XI.
ighalo,looking on berahino money as a bonus,if Watford accepted 20mil,would have still only been a 10 mil spend ijn the window
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2017, 11:22:56 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 10:49:01 PM
nathan a decent post except for the part about the older generation as I am one of them I watched the Albion bring in some some very good players over the years for vast`s amount of money in there day ie Laurie and Willie the wing wizards the king Jeff, John Wile and then we broke the complete country transfer record in buying  David Mills enough said about him.back in the 60`s and 70`s we were competitive in the transfer market. To me it is the outset of sky and being in europe that changed everything transfer wise
to think we could have signed Graham Souness from that Middlesboro midfield at the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 11:23:12 PM
Cheers Nathan enjoy the ride supporting the Albion is like a mountain range up and bloody down Just hope we can find the players we require in the summer and its true what caravan has just posted who would buy players that didn`t suit there style !!!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2017, 11:38:28 PM
Quote from: elkiellis on February 01, 2017, 11:20:51 PM
ighalo,looking on berahino money as a bonus,if Watford accepted 20mil,would have still only been a 10 mil spend ijn the window

Thanks for the reply. Ighalo is not worth £20 million, he can't get in the Watford team, isn't better than Rondon and therefore wouldn't get in our team which brings me full circle to the fact he wouldn't have improved our 1st XI.

Any others?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Rybs on February 02, 2017, 12:01:06 AM
No point buying or even bidding for players the manager won't play, or clearly doesn't fancy so probably won't play.

Pulis is currently in a very strong position due to this seasons results so far. I'm happy with how it's going but the squad lacks depth - but buying players for the sake of it won't improve our position any as we all know the bloke has his type of player and his own way.

If we get a couple of key players injured and we lose a few all those who are worried can say 'I told you so'. If not and the results keep coming then he's got it right and his gamble pays off.

Like him or not we won't get much higher than where we currently are without massive changes - too many and too much to do quickly. Let's see if we can cement a top half finish and then recruit in summer for another good go next year, then judge again in 12 months... for me that would be a more accurate reflection of Pulis and how much the new guys want to spend.


If Pulis is still here  ;)4
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 02, 2017, 06:28:22 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2017, 11:05:48 PM
I'm yet to see a single poster suggest a player we should have gone for that we could have realistically signed this past month that would improve the 1st XI.
Shane Long  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on February 02, 2017, 07:34:22 AM
I saw something on my computer yesterday. It said 'Ighalo - 81 shots - 3 goals - £20m'

Sort of put it in perspective for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 02, 2017, 08:51:57 AM
Hold us back from what?

From being Top 6?

Have you seen the league table?

This is as high as we are going to get.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bob on February 02, 2017, 09:19:55 AM
I despair at some of the clueless idiots who support us.

Pulis has got us to a point where we are "competing" with big spenders and big wage payers like Everton, Stoke and West Ham. We are now signing players like Evans, Chadli etc who we could have only dreamed about signing 3/4 years ago.

If anything holds us back its our board who have now had two disastrous transfer windows and the fact that West Bromwich Albion are still seen by many players as an unfashionable club

We had a great chance in January two attract players. Not saying we should have gone mad like Palace but signing a striker was imperative IMO. Now I have a feeling the second half of the season will see us easily safe but a gradual slip down the table
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 02, 2017, 09:54:31 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2017, 11:05:48 PM
I'm yet to see a single poster suggest a player we should have gone for that we could have realistically signed this past month that would improve the 1st XI.

Sakho and Snodgrass for a start. There are a few other players that moved this window that would have improved our bench considerably thus improving the overall quality of the squad. I suspect come the summer there will still be very few players available within our budget and who want to come here that will improve the starting 11. We'll be having a similar debate come September.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2017, 10:17:13 AM
Quote from: albion59 on February 02, 2017, 06:28:22 AM
Shane Long  ;D

Not as good as Rondon so wouldn't get in first XI.

Quote from: smethwickw on February 02, 2017, 09:54:31 AM
Sakho and Snodgrass for a start. There are a few other players that moved this window that would have improved our bench considerably thus improving the overall quality of the squad. I suspect come the summer there will still be very few players available within our budget and who want to come here that will improve the starting 11. We'll be having a similar debate come September.

Sakho the defender I agree but 5 million for 4 months is just totally unnecessary expenditure when we're so comfortable.

Snodgrass wouldn't get in our team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on February 02, 2017, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2017, 10:17:13 AM
Not as good as Rondon so wouldn't get in first XI.

Sakho the defender I agree but 5 million for 4 months is just totally unnecessary expenditure when we're so comfortable.

Snodgrass wouldn't get in our team.

Snodgrass would get in over Morrison or at least run him close with those 2 rotating on the bench to keep competition for places up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 02, 2017, 10:35:59 AM
I would not have gone for Sakho at the costs being quoted, and probably would have stayed clear of Snodgrass purely on a price to need basis as he is approaching 30 and we have quality delivery of the ball in the side already.

I have expressed my concerns about our limited pool when it comes to incomings whilst Pulis is in charge. I think those accusing anyone of a 'lack of knowledge' for raising such concerns are painfully condescending. I have said before that whilst we are progressing in the manner that we are I am more than happy for Pulis to be in charge; last season was dire but we are far more effective this season. I merely feel that we are missing a trick by not also looking abroad for signings where there is value to be had, there is no need for me or anyone else to provide names of examples, that is what the scouting network is for ultimately, but to try and claim that the statement is not true would be to show the 'lack of knowledge'.

Pulis has a way of operating and it is working for us as it stands and thankfully we have yet to be dragged over the coals price wise for a player he has targeted, but you see of the targets he had this window that their value compared to their ability is just not realistic. Schlupp ending up going for £12m and on over £50k a week is a travesty for football really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bob on February 02, 2017, 11:22:27 AM
And you know for a fact we are not looking abroad for potential signings I take it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 02, 2017, 11:45:38 AM
Quote from: Bob on February 02, 2017, 11:22:27 AM
And you know for a fact we are not looking abroad for potential signings I take it?

Proof has been in the pudding thus far. I can think of only Rondon coming in during his tenure who has not played in the Premier League and that one is widely recognised as being more a signing of opportunity. I do seem to recall it being quoted from him that he wanted players with Premier League experience but I would not know where to start in locating it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on February 02, 2017, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: albion59 on February 02, 2017, 06:28:22 AM
Shane Long  ;D

My God - No
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 02, 2017, 01:34:39 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2017, 10:17:13 AM
Not as good as Rondon so wouldn't get in first XI.

Sakho the defender I agree but 5 million for 4 months is just totally unnecessary expenditure when we're so comfortable.

Snodgrass wouldn't get in our team.

I never rated Long at all but he'd get into our side at the moment. Rondon needs a spell on the sidelinse especially if he has personal issues.

Snodgrass is on a par with Mozza IMO and with Chadli out of form again he'd get into our side.

We may come across the odd Evans or Chadli now and again but I think we'll find it equally as difficult in the summer to sign better players than we already have unless we are prepared to spend big and / or players actually want to come here..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kamarasboot on February 02, 2017, 02:02:17 PM
The way I see it is is Pulis is a Manager - not a coach. We all know and have seen the footage that he'll work players hard in training and get the organised and knowing their jobs. I don't see him as someone who buys a young raw player to coach technical ability into them like a pep or klopp.

with that in mind you need to be real in what his targets would be, almost all ready made pro's that understand the level and the game so he just has to put his organisation spin on it.

Does that hold us back? currently the league table and performances suggest it doesn't. Maybe we should look at this from another angle. The club selected Pulis, given how much we've had 'due dillegence' rammed down our throats over the past decade by the club I'd hope that they'd know the type of manager he is and what players and style he has. If that's the case then maybe the club need to meet his ambition for the types of players he wants?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 02, 2017, 02:07:43 PM
Quote from: kamarasboot on February 02, 2017, 02:02:17 PM
The way I see it is is Pulis is a Manager - not a coach. We all know and have seen the footage that he'll work players hard in training and get the organised and knowing their jobs. I don't see him as someone who buys a young raw player to coach technical ability into them like a pep or klopp.

with that in mind you need to be real in what his targets would be, almost all ready made pro's that understand the level and the game so he just has to put his organisation spin on it.

Does that hold us back? currently the league table and performances suggest it doesn't. Maybe we should look at this from another angle. The club selected Pulis, given how much we've had 'due dillegence' rammed down our throats over the past decade by the club I'd hope that they'd know the type of manager he is and what players and style he has. If that's the case then maybe the club need to meet his ambition for the types of players he wants?
Surely if an older more experienced player can take his ideas on board and play to a game plan, that's coaching. Young players should still be capable of being taught in the same way. That makes him a coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: A5HB on February 02, 2017, 02:15:33 PM
Quote from: kamarasboot on February 02, 2017, 02:02:17 PM
The way I see it is is Pulis is a Manager - not a coach. We all know and have seen the footage that he'll work players hard in training and get the organised and knowing their jobs. I don't see him as someone who buys a young raw player to coach technical ability into them like a pep or klopp.

with that in mind you need to be real in what his targets would be, almost all ready made pro's that understand the level and the game so he just has to put his organisation spin on it.

Does that hold us back? currently the league table and performances suggest it doesn't. Maybe we should look at this from another angle. The club selected Pulis, given how much we've had 'due dillegence' rammed down our throats over the past decade by the club I'd hope that they'd know the type of manager he is and what players and style he has. If that's the case then maybe the club need to meet his ambition for the types of players he wants?
I think Pulis likes to operate more as a traditional manager in terms of overseeing recruitment, the academy as well as first team matters but he is also very much a coach. Like Roy he isn't one to stand back and watch sessions his coaches put on, he does the majority of the training ground work himself as well as a lot of the tactical specific stuff for opponents.

He probably doesn't work with players as much as individuals as others because his coaching is very much full pitch, 11 v 11 work on shape and playing as a unit so anything individual fits in with that. It's his coaches who tend to do individual player specific stuff, which is why you get comments from someone like Phillips about the help he's had from Garner and Francis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 02, 2017, 02:17:23 PM
The answer to the question is yes it holds us back, HOWEVER, he is currently achieving everything we can reasonably expect.
Personally I want to see us win something again (not the chumps before some wit says it) before i shuffle off... Is that reasonable -probably not, but doesn't stop me wanting / wishing for it.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kamarasboot on February 02, 2017, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: A5HB on February 02, 2017, 02:15:33 PM
I think Pulis likes to operate more as a traditional manager in terms of overseeing recruitment, the academy as well as first team matters but he is also very much a coach. Like Roy he isn't one to stand back and watch sessions his coaches put on, he does the majority of the training ground work himself as well as a lot of the tactical specific stuff for opponents.

He probably doesn't work with players as much as individuals as others because his coaching is very much full pitch, 11 v 11 work on shape and playing as a unit so anything individual fits in with that. It's his coaches who tend to do individual player specific stuff, which is why you get comments from someone like Phillips about the help he's had from Garner and Francis.

Maybe I worded my initial post incorrectly, I didn't mean to make it sound like he does no coaching - but his coaching is more on shape and organisation not developing players. the same with his 'coaches' - they're all old school (why would he surround himself with people who did have the same philosophy?) - I dont think that's a bad thing - i just think that as a fan base we need to start to understand (and appreciate more) the type of manager we have - he wants premiership game ready players, not youngsters or foreigners who he needs to bed in and have to spend time making them understand the English game.

Maybe the club who appointed him should now start to think we've either got to support his plan/ideas to improve the team his way and push the boat out beleiving he's the man to move us to the next level or look for change.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 02, 2017, 02:31:57 PM
The way I look at it is they must be supporting him as they gave him another contract a couple of month`s ago and while were in this position nothing should change. But if we have a finish the same as last season I don`t think the owner or the Chairman would stand for it again.
We have to be careful look at the blue noses there managerial change has`nt worked out for the better as yet
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kamarasboot on February 02, 2017, 02:48:26 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 02, 2017, 02:31:57 PM
The way I look at it is they must be supporting him as they gave him another contract a couple of month`s ago and while were in this position nothing should change. But if we have a finish the same as last season I don`t think the owner or the Chairman would stand for it again.
We have to be careful look at the blue noses there managerial change has`nt worked out for the better as yet

Yes supporting him in terms of contract, im talking about supporting in terms of what he needs ref recruitment etc. I believe the board will stick with pulis as long as they can as he'll always get the results he needs to keep us in the prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 02, 2017, 03:07:21 PM
But surely the contract means they are supporting him in all aspects on the football/transfer`s as I think TP would possibly have not signed the contract if he did`nt
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on February 02, 2017, 05:38:19 PM
No manager is going to be perfect, so there will always be some moans, but Pulis has improved us gradually, we are a hell of a lot stronger than we were when he took over, better players, better organisation, better results, so for me he has done very well. Like many others I was critical of his style, but with the benefit of hindsight it was probably necessary at the time. Anyway, it has now improved, so I am happy. Happy with the way we are playing, happy with our signings, and happy with results. Pulis is doing well, be careful what you wish for
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 02, 2017, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: timdon on February 02, 2017, 05:38:19 PM
No manager is going to be perfect, so there will always be some moans, but Pulis has improved us gradually, we are a hell of a lot stronger than we were when he took over, better players, better organisation, better results, so for me he has done very well. Like many others I was critical of his style, but with the benefit of hindsight it was probably necessary at the time. Anyway, it has now improved, so I am happy. Happy with the way we are playing, happy with our signings, and happy with results. Pulis is doing well, be careful what you wish for

I was saying that two years ago. :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 02, 2017, 08:15:58 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 02, 2017, 06:07:06 PM
I was saying that two years ago. :-X
Ditto.We were going through managers (since Hodgson) who were clearly out of their depth with our squad.
Appointing him was a masterstroke. Not pretty but ground out and toughened us up.
Now he has players he needs it is looking up. We obviously need more though as it is an aging squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 02, 2017, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 02, 2017, 06:07:06 PM
I was saying that two years ago. :-X

Same here.  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 02, 2017, 08:42:30 PM
You all know my opinion wanted TP as soon as Irvine was sacked. He ain`t done bad as he.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 02, 2017, 11:01:46 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 02, 2017, 08:42:30 PM
You all know my opinion wanted TP as soon as Irvine was sacked. He ain`t done bad as he.
In a word NO!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kamarasboot on February 03, 2017, 09:21:00 AM
Quote from: wba13 on February 02, 2017, 03:07:21 PM
But surely the contract means they are supporting him in all aspects on the football/transfer`s as I think TP would possibly have not signed the contract if he did`nt

not so sure, I hope I'm wrong because as it stand TP is doing well but I get the feeling the club hierarchy have done their usual and make the all the right noises to get him to sign the extension then fail (in some aspects not all) to deliver on it. The summer window will be a good barometer now, new owners in place, so called 'no value' January window out of the way. Even the most non football people can see we need 4-5 in just to get the squad back to a reasonable numbers, hopefully they support TP and we're not sat on deadline day in the summer hoping something drops
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2017, 09:45:50 AM
Quote from: kamarasboot on February 03, 2017, 09:21:00 AM
not so sure, I hope I'm wrong because as it stand TP is doing well but I get the feeling the club hierarchy have done their usual and make the all the right noises to get him to sign the extension then fail (in some aspects not all) to deliver on it. The summer window will be a good barometer now, new owners in place, so called 'no value' January window out of the way. Even the most non football people can see we need 4-5 in just to get the squad back to a reasonable numbers, hopefully they support TP and we're not sat on deadline day in the summer hoping something drops

Yeah, I hope we go easy on TP if the going gets a bit tough.  Earlier a lot of complaints were about how he'd had 3 transfer windows to get a team together.  Judging by another weak January window it's obvious the club has a policy of not spending then so it's harsh to consider the Jan window on a par with the summer window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 03, 2017, 05:38:22 PM
Pulis quotes on the Berahino stuff:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38855561

West Brom boss Tony Pulis says he does not "give a damn" about Saido Berahino's future because the Stoke City striker is no longer his problem.

Potters boss Mark Hughes confirmed Berahino, who joined the Potters in January, had served an eight-week suspension when he was at West Brom.

His comments follow newspaper reports Berahino was banned after failing an out-of-competition drugs test.

"Anything Stoke asked for, we told them the truth," Pulis told BBC WM Sport.

"We never picked him again because his fitness levels, mental levels, were never what we wanted.

"This club has been absolutely fantastic towards Saido. The way it's protected him, the way it's looked after him. He should be really, really grateful."

The 23-year-old is set to return to the Hawthorns with Stoke in the Premier League on Saturday.

Asked whether Hughes was the man to help Berahino, Pulis said: "Personally, I don't give a damn now.

"I've spent two and a half years at this club and he's not my problem anymore. I wish him all the best."

Pulis would not comment on the nature of the ban because it was a "personal issue", but he said Berahino never returned to the form he produced before West Brom rejected a bid from Tottenham for the striker in August 2015.

"Saido was very good the first six months I was at this club," said the Welshman. "He didn't go to Tottenham, and from that point on it's been a real struggle in every way, shape and form."

BBC Sport contacted Berahino's representative for comment, but has received no reply. The FA does not comment on its social drugs policy regulations.

Saido Berahino posted this message on Twitter before his Stoke side play at West Brom on Saturday:

Fully focused on what needs to be done, but will be weird to sit in the away changing room  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 03, 2017, 05:42:30 PM
As everyone on here knows i ain't been a big fan of Pulis but i have just seen an interview he as done about that thing that's gone to Stoke and i have to admit the man as gone up a lot in my estimation the way he handled it, fair play!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 03, 2017, 06:23:52 PM
Quote from: albion59 on February 03, 2017, 05:42:30 PM
As everyone on here knows i ain't been a big fan of Pulis but i have just seen an interview he as done about that thing that's gone to Stoke and i have to admit the man as gone up a lot in my estimation the way he handled it, fair play!

Totally agree. How he remained on message is beyond me. He must have serious self control, and actually he must be a pretty decent guy. Im glad the Berahino stuff has come out and hope he gets absolutely nailed in the media.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 03, 2017, 06:57:17 PM
There`s only one word to sum up TP in all this BRILLIANT
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on February 03, 2017, 07:17:58 PM
Whatever anyone thinks of TP you have to admire him for playing the berahino saga this season with a straight bat
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on February 04, 2017, 05:12:35 PM
I must say i've been incredibly impressed with his ability to pick a player for us, his record with Stoke was highly inconsistent and he wasted a lot of money but he's been excellent with us by and large. Even the ones like Nyom who nobody was shouting for the rooftops for have shown his eye for a player, Livermore looks like he might be in the same vain.

I think what impresses me most however is his commitment to only signing players he thinks will improve the team, for far too long in this league we were content to sign squad contenders, not improve the first time. The disaster Irvine/Burton time was particularly bad for this when we signed a load of players, almost none of whom were better than what we had.

I actually look forward to seeing what he can do in the summer if we stick the landing and get a top half finish, and presumably have a fair amount of money to spend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 04, 2017, 05:44:38 PM
Unbeaten against Stoke with Pulis. For all their bashing of him and saying how they've moved on, they have looked extremely poor under Hughes at times. Today being one of those times.

Thought we also looked much fitter and had more heart today. Probably down to pulis' fitness regimes and signing players that aren't mercenaries.

How good did Livermore look today too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CoachRagnar on February 04, 2017, 06:04:46 PM
Being the manager of a modern Premiership team is an extremely complex and demanding task. IMHO Pulis is one of the most underrated managers in the game today. His former team CP is looking ripe for the drop and Stoke have been extremely inconsistent since he left. Look at the 7 teams above us, all very long term and established teams. If we can end up 6 or 7 this year I would be thrilled and we'd be well positioned to vie for a top 4 place next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on February 04, 2017, 06:07:46 PM
the great thing is that we are safe now, so the planning for next year can start now, identifying players etc.  good players will look at our results and league position more positively too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 04, 2017, 06:08:04 PM
Have to doff your cap to the man. Fantastic stuff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ComebackStrodds on February 04, 2017, 06:14:11 PM
He's THE BEST we've had since Ossie ha! I hope he stays with us until he retires.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on February 04, 2017, 06:19:38 PM
After the transfer window I'm sure I read somewhere TP said the youngsters would get their chance due to us having a small squad. Maybe he's thinking of introducing them more so after we get to the 40 points mark. I hope so, we've done well so far, perhaps they can get some game time with the pressure off, as long as we don't get the deck chairs out first!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nocky on February 04, 2017, 06:23:19 PM
He's working miracles with this squad. Absolutely laughable that some fans don't rate him. We've been exceptional this season for the most part. Combining greats results with good performances and only the top four have scored more than us at home. It couldn't be any better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on February 04, 2017, 06:26:02 PM
Top, top manager. Lucky to have him. Playing some great stuff too at the moment. Deserves a lot of credit for what he has done with our paper thin squad and a period of backroom transition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on February 04, 2017, 06:29:49 PM
All we asked was to be more stylish at home and have a good go. I don't think anybody can moan about that right now. We're certainly over achieving! Well done TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 04, 2017, 06:39:59 PM
Quote from: CL3MO on February 04, 2017, 06:29:49 PM
All we asked was to be more stylish at home and have a good go. I don't think anybody can moan about that right now. We're certainly over achieving! Well done TP.

Exactly right. That's all that people like me wanted - to have a go and play some half decent football. Very happy with how we are playing at the moment. We done Tony!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on February 04, 2017, 06:40:50 PM
I have criticised him a lot on here but i hold my hands up and say well done Tone!. His behaviour during the Berahino saga has been exellent. Must have galled him when that immature little prat tried claiming he was fit to play and not admitting he had failed a drugs test.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 04, 2017, 07:26:24 PM
He made a comment on the BBC website about giving the younger players a chance, but also said that he didn't believe in the way the academy was being run - if I picked him up right. Anyone know what he means by that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: don1thedon on February 04, 2017, 07:55:40 PM
yes I heard that comment frazzle, really not quite sure what he was digging at though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mig on February 04, 2017, 08:19:35 PM
Found the academy comment a bit worrying tbh - he was praising some of the players it has produced so what is his issue with it?

One of my biggest concerns with Pulis is his reluctance to play young players in meaningful games even when they have proved they are good enough. Leko did more than enough in the last few games of last season to show he is ready, and yet has really only played 2 or 3 minutes here and there since then.

If anyone could shed any light on what exactly Pulis means that would be good? Don't want to jump on his back given how well we are doing right now, but like I said, it does concern me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on February 04, 2017, 08:23:54 PM
His management of a live game from the technical area is second to none,well done Tony us doubters are slowly becoming believers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 04, 2017, 08:44:08 PM
Not sure what he meant but it could be anything or nothing really. Lile he might just think the youngsters should go out on loan more than we do. Or vice versa.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 04, 2017, 09:01:27 PM
I think he means the British academy system. He's a big critic. So in that sense it would be the way our academy is run too but not by choice. We need to put out an I-23 team like every one else to maintain category 1.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 04, 2017, 10:27:33 PM
Praise where its due but today TP`s Baggie battlers  posted the most premiership points total we have ever had after 24 games we must be doing something right onwards and upwards
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on February 04, 2017, 10:56:01 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on February 04, 2017, 08:23:54 PM
His management of a live game from the technical area is second to none,well done Tony us doubters are slowly becoming believers

Hater - he's ok - doing a good job - ( my transition )

I cant believe im saying it but one day i might like him. Keep it up TP, proud to be a baggy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on February 05, 2017, 08:27:46 AM
I looked at the team yesterday and for the first time in a VERY long time thought "How could this be improved on?"  Of course we could bring in gallacticos at every position and improve it on paper but it's fantasy to imagine bringing in Neuer for Foster, Messi for Rondon etc.   Ignoring fantasy buys,  the team that TP has moulded looks undropable now.  We've got experience, pace, power, strength.  We look hard to break down and yet dangerous on the break. Exciting (yes, I used that word!) to watch and yet not in a kamakaze way of Mowbray and Pepe.  We've got trickery and "soft feet"but aren't powder puff. 

I know we've got a thin supporting squad and some ageing first teamers that will need addressing in the summer but for me, this is showing every sign of a terrific side coming together.   Must be a real selection headache for TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 05, 2017, 08:57:31 AM
Waited a while to say this but this current side to my mind is like nothing we have seen before from Pulis , its certainly not Stoke and its a bit different from Palace.
While i knew he could get points i didnt think he could get a side like us playing with a swagger like we havent seen for years at the Albion.
Maybe he needed time , maybe we as a support lacked patience ( i admit i was running low last season).
Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 05, 2017, 09:02:24 AM
Quote from: Dexy on February 05, 2017, 08:57:31 AM
Waited a while to say this but this current side to my mind is like nothing we have seen before from Pulis , its certainly not Stoke and its a bit different from Palace.
While i knew he could get points i didnt think he could get a side like us playing with a swagger like we havent seen for years at the Albion.
Maybe he needed time , maybe we as a support lacked patience ( i admit i was running low last season).
Long may it continue.

100% agree. Until christmas last season i firmly believed that Pulis was building us into an effective counter attacking team. But when we continued being so turgid for the rest of the season and into the beginning of this season i doubted whether Pulis could achieve it.

He gladly proved me wrong and long may his reign continue at this rate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 05, 2017, 10:39:18 AM
Pulis is now in completely uncharted territory  in both terms of results and performances.Nothing and I mean nothing that he has done before has come close to this season provided we don't implode across the last third of it.

In terms of achievement getting Stoke through to a Cup final or Palace out of jail as stand alone achievements are obvious highlights but the football was seldom this good. Across a season a Pulis Premier League side has only scored more than 40 goals once and in many instances they have barely scored more than the 32 we have scored to date.

We are starting to develop a counter attacking style rather than just a deep sitting defensive block with little or no penetration from open play. This is a welcome improvement.

However the next challenge is if we finish 8th then our opponents attitude changes as they have against Leicester City this season suddenly a point at West Brom is not seen as a bad result for many teams in the division it almost gives them permission to take the most effective defensive measure to a counter attacking team and sit deep themselves and give us the puzzle of how to break them down rather than attack us in numbers. 'Boro are the only team that have really done that this season and they got their point.

Hopefully we will adapt better than Leicester have but progress is being made here.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 05, 2017, 11:00:24 AM
That we are making progress is the important bit - results wise and quality wise. I do think it makes a difference where you finish, mainly because its easier to attract players if you're regularly in the top 10.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on February 05, 2017, 11:06:25 AM
Tony Pulis is the poor man's version of Jose Mourinho. imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on February 05, 2017, 11:22:10 AM
Enjoyed the long serinading of Pulis at the Stoke fans towards the end!!
They didn't seem to enjoy it or their big day out did they.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggieboyfred on February 05, 2017, 11:43:34 AM
We always knew what we were getting with TP and although it has not been the most exciting football a good deal of the time , although its certainly a lot better this season, I think with the right blends of decent creative players if they will come to West Brom and solid premiership pros that we have got then the entertainment value will improve , in the meantime its great to be sitting in 8th place in at beginning of Feb without having to worry about a relegation dog fight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on February 05, 2017, 12:14:05 PM
Havent posted much on here lately but been enjoying the Albion anyway!

Last season was not enjoyable at all and games did feel a chore, i wondered where we were going with Pulis, however this season has proven it was part of the plan!

Its a good time to be an Albion fan, we are flying in the league, we are playing good football, we have academy players in the squad and there is a feel good factor about the place and i think Pulis has to take most of the credit.

When he got the new deal when despite rumours of him leaving, all not being well behind the scenes, etc i thought the board must of known things would improve and sure enough they have.

When he did that thing Adrian Chiles the other week, he said when he took over we had very good older players, very good younger players but not many at their peak and thats what he wanted, sure enough he has brought in Rondon, Chadli, Evans, Phillips, Livermore, all players hitting their peak and it all fits into place now.

I have always liked him as a bloke, know he has the issue with the Palace / Money thing but aside from that, since been with the Albion i think he conducts himself very well, he dont bitch and moan about refs much, doesnt look for excuses and i think he is the sort of bloke if you give everything for him as a player, he will look after you.

Even the FA Cup we had a go, we put a strong side out and it was just one of those days that we lost despite been the better team.

The only thing i hope we do now is have more of a go against the big boys, we have nothing to lose, we are safe, we are a good team, under no pressure and it may take a few factors for it to happen but we can get results.

I enjoy matchdays again now, not just because we are winning but its entertaining and enjoyable too, i didnt think it would happen under Pulis after last season but it has and i am very proud of our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on February 05, 2017, 12:27:33 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on February 05, 2017, 12:14:05 PM
Havent posted much on here lately but been enjoying the Albion anyway!

Last season was not enjoyable at all and games did feel a chore, i wondered where we were going with Pulis, however this season has proven it was part of the plan!

Its a good time to be an Albion fan, we are flying in the league, we are playing good football, we have academy players in the squad and there is a feel good factor about the place and i think Pulis has to take most of the credit.

When he got the new deal when despite rumours of him leaving, all not being well behind the scenes, etc i thought the board must of known things would improve and sure enough they have.

When he did that thing Adrian Chiles the other week, he said when he took over we had very good older players, very good younger players but not many at their peak and thats what he wanted, sure enough he has brought in Rondon, Chadli, Evans, Phillips, Livermore, all players hitting their peak and it all fits into place now.

I have always liked him as a bloke, know he has the issue with the Palace / Money thing but aside from that, since been with the Albion i think he conducts himself very well, he dont bitch and moan about refs much, doesnt look for excuses and i think he is the sort of bloke if you give everything for him as a player, he will look after you.

Even the FA Cup we had a go, we put a strong side out and it was just one of those days that we lost despite been the better team.

The only thing i hope we do now is have more of a go against the big boys, we have nothing to lose, we are safe, we are a good team, under no pressure and it may take a few factors for it to happen but we can get results.

I enjoy matchdays again now, not just because we are winning but its entertaining and enjoyable too, i didnt think it would happen under Pulis after last season but it has and i am very proud of our club.
good post 79,i just wish in his weekly pre match press conference he stopped bigging up the opposition as it comes across of getting his excuses in early if we lose and yes we have been pretty good on the eye of late and long may it continue,i have no axe to grind with any manager of Albion if they improve us and move us forward wether that be Pulis or if it had been Irvine.atm Albion and Pulis seem the perfect fit for one another
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 05, 2017, 08:46:21 PM
I'd been a big critic of Tony Pulis and I made my thoughts clear that I did not wish for him to be here. Having said that, he has this season completely changed my mindset and I am thoroughly happy with the job he is doing.

Not one person can say that our home games are not entertaining and that is all anyone ever asked for. The football is much better, we're creating chances and we're scoring goals. Furthermore, the quality within the core group is improving too which will entail better football and better results.

And most importantly - the thing I am enjoying seeing the most is watching a close knit side play together. There are no superstars - nobody hogging the limelight - just a group of players who try their bloody hardest every week.

Keep up the good work, Tony
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 05, 2017, 10:04:17 PM
Got to say i'm in full agreement with many of the posts here. A very happy camper at the moment. It will be an interesting period from this point forward. Do we continue to play to win and maintain our form, especially after the 40 point mark? Can Pulis beat his leage position and points total? What sort of investment will we see in the summer from the new owners.

We must push to finish strongly as that will prove to Pulis that his new approach works, it will prove to our owners that continued investment has great potential, it will prove to potential transfer targets that we are an established and ambitious premier league club and it will prove to our young fans that we are the best club in the midlands and the Hawthorns is the ground to go to.

Come on Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 05, 2017, 10:40:07 PM
Eating humble pie quite a lot at the moment. Uncharted territory for pulis. It helps he Ian being kept on a short leash by the club so can't just sign people for the sake of it like he did at stoke. So when he signs somebody they are generally improving the team, bar Chester and mcmannamn and the obvious loans that he hasn't utilised he has slowly built a team.

Big summer. Poster earlier stated couldn't see how we could further improve minus crazy big money signings. Think it's about time we signed a left back... and I'm sure we need to get a striker to compete with rondon.

Needs to take both cup seriously next year not just FA CUP. The only thing I can fault pulis on for the last 12 months really is how we have struggled and on the whole failed against lower places opposition in cups. If we can improve on that and maintain how we have been doing in the league pulis could well cement himself legend status as we have been on very much an upward trajectory since he arrived
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 06, 2017, 12:35:34 AM
Not been posting here for a while, but will be another to hold my hands up and eat my words. Fair play Tony, keep it up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: eaststandbaggie on February 06, 2017, 07:13:06 AM
This humble pie tastes nice I am on my second.Sorry TP for doubting you could put out a team entertaining and holding on to 8th place
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 06, 2017, 09:26:21 AM
For me he has now surpassed Hodgson. When you think of the mess he was left with it's amazing what a job he's done here. His first season was about survival, the next about consolidation and this season we are building something. I hope we can finish in the top half and sign some quality in the Summer to really consolidate us as a top half team and compete in cup competitions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 06, 2017, 09:29:55 AM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on February 06, 2017, 12:35:34 AM
Not been posting here for a while, but will be another to hold my hands up and eat my words. Fair play Tony, keep it up.


same here, we aint going to get anyone better. first time in ages i was on the edge of my seat Saturday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 06, 2017, 09:36:33 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 06, 2017, 09:29:55 AM

same here, we aint going to get anyone better. first time in ages i was on the edge of my seat Saturday

Knew you would see sense.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 06, 2017, 01:12:20 PM
Its took awhile but could the TP a lot  doubters be coming round
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 06, 2017, 01:15:52 PM
theres no way i am singing his name though, weve got tony pulis weve got tony pulis :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on February 06, 2017, 01:37:40 PM
TP is winning over the doubters because there has been a noticeable change in our approach to games. My patience with Pulis had all but gone earlier in the season, when it seemed like another season of just scraping through games to try and get to 40 points.

However the last couple of months have seen far better performances and displays...we now have fullbacks who get forward...we have a front 4 who are exciting to watch...in Livermore, we could finally have the centre midfielder who will do the donkey work AND help drag the team forward, just like how Mulumbu used to...we now appear to be trying to be positive to win games, rather than setting up to stop the opposition! Basically, for the first time in years, we are good to watch and its enjoyable going to watch us!

If we continue in this manner, Pulis can have the job as long as he wants, and the fans will respond and get behind it, like in recent times! I just hope we look to further improve in the summer...we have the makings of a damn good team/squad, probably the best we have had in my lifetime (born in 1985)!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 06, 2017, 01:39:26 PM
LOL why not  Devon you no you want to  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ian66 on February 06, 2017, 02:03:18 PM
I'm another humble pie eater.

TP was the right appointment 2 years ago. We were in a mess facing relegation. He did a great job with my full support (even though the football was dire).

Following season I was hoping for better football. I was patient up until the FA Cup started early January. The 2 home games were both poor and against lower opposition and the replays were even worse. And to top it all they were live on BBC for all to see...embarrassing!! Reading in the next round... Say no more!!

That's when I started being a TP knocker. I wanted entertaining and to have a go against teams around or below us. It just wasn't happening and I think the criticism TP got was  deserved.

Up until Leicester away I thought it was going to be more of the same for this season. Again out the League Cup against lower league opposition and some boring games, Middlesbrough at home to note. Me and two of my kids are season ticket holders and I had to more or less drag my 10 year old down the Hawthorns as he simply couldn't face sitting through the rubbish football anymore.

My son is now happy and is loving the match day experience again and I'm taking him to West Ham on Saturday. Well done TP and it's good to be a Baggie again especially living in Birmingham amongst miserable Villa and Blues fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 06, 2017, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: ian66 on February 06, 2017, 02:03:18 PM
I'm another humble pie eater.

TP was the right appointment 2 years ago. We were in a mess facing relegation. He did a great job with my full support (even though the football was dire).

Following season I was hoping for better football. I was patient up until the FA Cup started early January. The 2 home games were both poor and against lower opposition and the replays were even worse. And to top it all they were live on BBC for all to see...embarrassing!! Reading in the next round... Say no more!!

That's when I started being a TP knocker. I wanted entertaining and to have a go against teams around or below us. It just wasn't happening and I think the criticism TP got was  deserved.

Up until Leicester away I thought it was going to be more of the same for this season. Again out the League Cup against lower league opposition and some boring games, Middlesbrough at home to note. Me and two of my kids are season ticket holders and I had to more or less drag my 10 year old down the Hawthorns as he simply couldn't face sitting through the rubbish football anymore.

My son is now happy and is loving the match day experience again and I'm taking him to West Ham on Saturday. Well done TP and it's good to be a Baggie again especially living in Birmingham amongst miserable Villa and Blues fans.

Well put and about sums up my viewpoint. Whilst it carries on in this manner I am more than happy for TP to be at the helm.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on February 06, 2017, 02:48:04 PM
Are you mellowing Fritzl????  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 06, 2017, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on February 06, 2017, 02:48:04 PM
Are you mellowing Fritzl????  ;)

Not at all  ;D

My stance has been the same throughout. Last season was some of the worst football I have ever had the misfortune of witnessing and we started off this season in the same vein hence my desire for a change of manager at the time as I did not see the direction he was seeking to pull us in. I supported his appointment initially as he was the right man for the job, but having to witness what we did last season was purgatory.

Hindsight now says giving him time was correct and thankfully he has turned the performances around to the point whereby we are at least exciting to watch again for the most part. Whilst that remains the case he has my full support. I will always question things about him, such as his reliance on the British market in the transfer window, but that is in the same way I would question any manager we have and I question our players and all to do with the club and in life generally. It is my nature, I like to look at all sides of the coin and strive for perfection in all areas and so look for the same in my club, there are always ways to improve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on February 06, 2017, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 06, 2017, 03:01:18 PM
Not at all  ;D

My stance has been the same throughout. Last season was some of the worst football I have ever had the misfortune of witnessing and we started off this season in the same vein hence my desire for a change of manager at the time as I did not see the direction he was seeking to pull us in. I supported his appointment initially as he was the right man for the job, but having to witness what we did last season was purgatory.

Hindsight now says giving him time was correct and thankfully he has turned the performances around to the point whereby we are at least exciting to watch again for the most part. Whilst that remains the case he has my full support. I will always question things about him, such as his reliance on the British market in the transfer window, but that is in the same way I would question any manager we have and I question our players and all to do with the club and in life generally. It is my nature, I like to look at all sides of the coin and strive for perfection in all areas and so look for the same in my club, there are always ways to improve.

That's OK then. I was worried for a moment Fritzl - thought you were losing it.....:)

Joking apart, I agree with your assessment of last season. We were rubbish but we obviously didn't have the players to fit in with his plan. Now we have, what a difference.......and hopefully more to come.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 06, 2017, 03:48:44 PM
Musing,

TP / WBA FC strategy
year 1 - objective = survive all costs - tick
year 2 - squad is solid but not "skilled" and one paced - objective = consolidate - tick
year 3 - squad has got some more skills & pace - objective = be more expansive - tick

Is it as simple as this ?  If yes,

year 4 - squad has aged and can be up-skilled further - objective = replace the "older" with younger more skilled ?  -  ??

that tick will be BLOODY expensive or require a mighty leap of faith (risk) in our kids- I don't believe TP does risk, so the board could be looking at a very big outlay coming up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 06, 2017, 06:10:43 PM
Was going to post similar to this before the game after hearing the Stoke fans bang on about how they were so much better after Pulis. This is taken from the Oatcake:

No people dont , a bigger problem is that some hate Pulis that much they cant see what is going on , we have any underperformng squad at the moment , that is down to two or three things

1, The players aint up to it on a consistent basis

2, The manager cant motivate them on a consistent basis

3, We cant put together a balanced squad

4, Too many injury prone players

I hated some of the negative tactics that TP employed as much as anyone but we still rely on his players for the core of our team despite the current manager spending a fair wedge on salaries and fees

It was clear from Saturday that he has a much better balance to his Albion side than we have at the minute and they were comfortably the better team and played the better football . Of course after an hour he hung on for 1-0 as he always will but he seems to sign better and more consistent performers than Hughes does .

I doubt that there are more thna 5% of fans who would want him back but we have been sliding for over a year now

Read more: http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/265402/jake-livermore#ixzz4XvgnJpCs.

Saw their team sheet before the game and thought to myself that the bulk of the team were still actually Pulis signings: Bardsley, Shawcross, Pieters, Whelan, Crouch, Adam.

And what an unlikeable man Hughes is. I see he's blaming everything else including us for them not winning, including 'leaking' the Berahino news, and moaning that Pulis wouldn't shake his hand! 

Also just read we've won 6 of our last 7 premier league games at home, when was the last time we'd managed that if ever? Long may it continue, starting to build the fortress!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 07, 2017, 03:01:02 AM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on February 07, 2017, 12:40:45 AM
Can someone please remind me of his contract status? if he hasn't had a decent extension since he began here i think it might be time the new owners extended his stay

Signed a new two year contract last October, ends 2018.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37798336 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37798336)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 07, 2017, 04:29:35 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on February 07, 2017, 03:01:02 AM
Signed a new two year contract last October, ends 2018.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37798336 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37798336)

And, coincidentally, October was the turning point.  It made him financially secure (if he takes higher risks and it goes wrong then he'd get a big pay-off), which enabled him to get us to play more expansively.  It has worked.

Until his new contract his priority to get a new contract was to make sure we stayed up = no risks to be taken

His financial situation relating to the Palace litigation (he will have known it's been coming since shortly after the day he walked out on us) had been hanging over him, dictating his philosophy and approach.  Now that the shackles are off, he is proving, with good backing in the transfer market, that he is actually far better than a Red Adair to keep struggling teams up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 07, 2017, 09:05:18 AM
Our good form coincided with getting Morrison and Brunt back into the team though more than it being to do with Pulis thinking "I know, I've got 2 years now, I can gamble a bit more, oh, it works!"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
We haven't taken the handbrake off or whatever the latest soundbite is. We've got our best players back into the team. Simple.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on February 07, 2017, 10:13:15 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
We haven't taken the handbrake off or whatever the latest soundbite is. We've got our best players back into the team. Simple.

And confidence. Even in Pulis' earlier games there were small periods in games where we had a go when the team got its confidence up, i.e. Spurs at home 2015.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 07, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on February 06, 2017, 06:10:43 PM

Saw their team sheet before the game and thought to myself that the bulk of the team were still actually Pulis signings: Bardsley, Shawcross, Pieters, Whelan, Crouch, Adam.


Yep I've made that same point on this thread several times in the past. Butland and Walters would have started if they were fit too. Remember though, Pulis should not be trusted with money because he only leaves plodders for the next manager... ;)

* Bardsley was a full Hughes signing but one of the players that Pulis was linked with most windows. Pieters was lined up in the January before Pulis left but could not be confirmed until Hughes took over also.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 07, 2017, 10:20:53 AM
Hey guys, I haven't taken any notice of Hughes until the match against Stoke,is he always like this,miserable grumpy complaining person?
About the handshake if I recall rightly he was stood stock still arms folded on the edge of the pitch at the end of the game,didnt seem to me that he wanted to shake hands with anybody,whats tone supposed to do,go looking,or wait until Hughes is ready to shake,i don't think so.
Regarding the drugs thing,how do 3 stoke employees know that wba were responsible for the leak? The problem as ever is beras fault,im sure that we did everything in the correct manner,shouldnt bera have manned up and owned up during his pathetic rehab in France,he was quick enough to have a go at our fans who accused him of being overweight,hes got no scruples.
Hughes demeanour suits stoke,cold and unaproachable
They were beaten by the better team on the day,get over yourselves because with regards to bera it only going to get worse.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on February 07, 2017, 10:26:39 AM
You could see by Tony's face that as the whistle went, he started to go over to Hughes, quickly assessed the situation and thought 'what the hell' and carried on down the tunnel.

I am convinced that Hughes did not know about the drug issue and he now realises that he has bought an enormous lemon.

If this is the work of Hammond, then well played sir.........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on February 07, 2017, 10:36:53 AM
I was listening to last night's WM phone in (on iPlayer) earlier this morning. Last thing I heard was some jealous Seal saying "What's Pulis ever won eh? What's he ever won?"

Well, I haven't always been a fan but one thing I can say is that this season so far he has won 36 points more in the Prem than Villa have managed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on February 07, 2017, 10:40:27 AM
Quote from: Chipperfan on February 07, 2017, 10:36:53 AM
I was listening to last night's WM phone in (on iPlayer) earlier this morning. Last thing I heard was some jealous Seal saying "What's Pulis ever wo eh? What's he ever won?"

Well, I haven't always been a fan but one thing I can say is that this season so far he has won 36 points more in the Prem than Villa have managed.

That was the resident Alan a very bitter viler, he's so thick he dosen't realise what a prat he makes himself look.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 07, 2017, 10:45:55 AM
Sounds like the villa fan is getting desperate,he now realises that they will not get into the top six and that the new Messiah isn't doing it for them.
How long will it be before the fickle fans of av get onto Brucie's back and want him out,not long I think.
And him and the doctor have spent 60 million so I'm told,how much have we spent?
These villa fans have no class nor respect for tp,do you think he's bothered?nor me.
If they don't manage to get into the premier next season,when does the parachute money stop?
Then we will see how good the doctor is and who knows who their next manager will be.
In fact who cares,not I.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 07, 2017, 10:55:59 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on February 07, 2017, 10:26:39 AM
You could see by Tony's face that as the whistle went, he started to go over to Hughes, quickly assessed the situation and thought 'what the hell' and carried on down the tunnel.

I am convinced that Hughes did not know about the drug issue and he now realises that he has bought an enormous lemon.

If this is the work of Hammond, then well played sir.........

That's my take on it too
Hughes shook his head to say no at Tony as he started to go over to him to shake his hand. I don't think Pulis needed much discouragement TBH
completely agree about Berahino. I have said earlier that I reckon Stoke will try to offload him within 12 months
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 07, 2017, 11:16:59 AM
Stoke won`t be able to offload him in 12 months he will be that far down the pecking order who will want to buy him rubbish little fat boy on mega wages and large contract I wonder what Clayheads really think of him  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 07, 2017, 11:48:58 AM
Quote from: KYA on February 07, 2017, 10:40:27 AM
That was the resident Alan a very bitter viler, he's so thick he dosen't realise what a prat he makes himself look.

He is a plonker.
He also has the infuriating habit of saying 'right' after every sentence.
I remember a few seasons ago when veela drew Bradford in the League Cup Semis.
That prat bragged on radio that he had booked his hotel and travel for the FINAL  :P
You know the rest.

Eddie winds him up a treat
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 07, 2017, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 07, 2017, 11:48:58 AM
He is a plonker.
He also has the infuriating habit of saying 'right' after every sentence.
I remember a few seasons ago when veela drew Bradford in the League Cup Semis.
That prat bragged on radio that he had booked his hotel and travel for the FINAL  :P
You know the rest.

Eddie winds him up a treat

Eddie is no less embarrassing !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 07, 2017, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: tylerm on February 07, 2017, 01:03:36 PM
Eddie is no less embarrassing !!!

Yes but he's one of our embarrasments.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on February 07, 2017, 06:59:30 PM
Quote from: tylerm on February 07, 2017, 01:03:36 PM
Eddie is no less embarrassing !!!
Eddies right though when he says brum vile and blouse haven't a prem player between them,they may have eventually when anyone of them get a chance to prove it but until they are exactly that unproven
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 10, 2017, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on February 07, 2017, 10:20:53 AM
About the handshake if I recall rightly he was stood stock still arms folded on the edge of the pitch at the end of the game,didnt seem to me that he wanted to shake hands with anybody,whats tone supposed to do,go looking,or wait until Hughes is ready to shake,i don't think so.
And he was griping that the ref didn't play the allotted additional time...
Our Tone didn't do himself any favours by saying that Hughes was already heading over towards the away fans, which he obviously wasn't...
No love lost...but they are bound to be bitter as they never beat the Albion... :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on February 11, 2017, 02:34:02 AM
Looks like tony and sparky aren't going to be having a beverage together anytime soon (reading today's headlines). To be honest the fact Hughes doesn't like Pulis makes me warm to Pulis more :)
Hughes tries to come across holier than thou but I would take anything he says with a pinch of salt. Although whatever goes wrong its never his fault.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 11, 2017, 07:15:24 AM
You have to laugh.
I think Pulis knows what to do to press buttons.
Hugh's squawking like a little pig  :P

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-bumper-digest-tony-12588632
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 11, 2017, 09:26:33 AM
There is a long history between Hughes and Pulis which predates Hughes taking over from Pulis at Stoke and it looks like rumbling on for as long as both are in the game. It is measure of the depth of animosity that the tit for tat accusations are still flying back and forth a week after their two clubs played each other.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 11, 2017, 09:53:47 AM
First time for a long old time that I'm not 100% what our strongest 11 is. Not because there all pants but because we have so many good players. We really do have decent competition in the squad. I mean Livermore was fantastic last week does he stay in or does yacob come back? Now Evans is fit what's the back 4? Does nyom get dropped? Does mcauley? Brunt into midfield? McLean has been unlucky not to be getting in the team anyway.

Best thing pulis has done has created completion for spots- yielded good results. I doth my cap to him for that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bigrob80 on February 11, 2017, 10:06:27 AM
I see Shawcross/Adam and Hughes all getting their panties in a twist about Saido and his bag of drugs!
Are they all annoyed he didn't ask them round to share???
Absolute bunch of muppets!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on February 11, 2017, 11:55:34 AM
Have we got to the part yet where Mark Hughes boils Mrs. Pulis' pet rabbit on the stove?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 11, 2017, 11:57:41 AM
Pulis should just turn up and nut them in the showers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on February 11, 2017, 08:46:06 PM
Good 1st half today Tony but 2nd half mukka you lost the balance of the team with bad substitutions. One you got away with so let's move on. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 11, 2017, 08:50:16 PM
How many times has he taken off the goal scorers this season?
Beggars belief.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 11, 2017, 09:46:47 PM
I think he`s getting more right than wrong were 8th for God`s sake
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on February 11, 2017, 10:18:46 PM
I wonder how many supporters are still wishing we had changed Pulis at the start of the year.
I mean we have been scoring more than usual, we have far more points than usual, we are often heralded as this year success story, but I wonder how many stick to the mantra they would rather play more expansive and go down that you hear so much as the counter to "he keeps his teams up".

I have been a big detractor of his at times also, but quite a while ago I decided he has in fact been very good for us and that means playing some very frustrating football, it means sitting back and at times and watching a team like Arsenal come at us again and again and eventually knock one in for the supporters to jump up and exclaim "See!! You can't just defend for 90 minutes". Not to mention when the plan fails against a team we should beat  :o

But the reality is that within the Pulis game plan, he has shown you can sit back, you can wait for teams to make errors and open themselves up and taking your chances you can score enough goals to be a mid table team.  That for the results that go against us, we have more than enough go our way to counter it.

We were considered one of the top 4-5 chances to go down this season after Peace left, the takeover was delayed and we brought almost no one in, yet Pulis is a serious chance to give us our highest points tally in the Prem. He has made some really good signings in Chadli & Nyom, with Livermore also looking like another one.

I will never find the Pulis brand of football one that I like watching as I get frustrated and nervous for most of the game expecting the other team to score, but he is more than doing his job at the club and has been great in a season where it could easily have all fallen apart.

Now to finish as high up as we can so we can look to entice another couple of quality footballer in during the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 12, 2017, 06:35:27 AM
I was the same, though I never said we should sack him, I was less than pleased with some of the fare being served up.
The last few months have been an eye opener really, we're playing better football and think we're one of the best counter attacking teams in the division.
At first I wasn't keen on letting the opposition have so much of the ball, but to watch the defence and midfield marshall the opposition to where the want them is quite enthralling.
The hours and hours of practice and training that goes into that is amazing, every man knows his job and where they should be.
I believe the stats are that we have only been beaten once by a team outside the top seven this season (Bournemouth back in September) which is a true reflection of where we stand in the league at the moment.
Personally I think we're a decent top half Premier League side, if we can finish 7th/8th with 50 odd points I think that will do our and Pulis's credentials a world of good.
On reflection when we appointed Pulis though there were a lot of glum faces and condemnations there was in fact nobody better we could have appointed, take a look at our near neighbours and look at where they are after they'd appointed a darling of the media for a manager.
Overall this season I'm quite happy, roll on the Summer and the next transfer window  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on February 12, 2017, 08:30:03 AM
He got away with one yesterday, Chadli was bought off far too early and you can see it's starting to pee him off. I'l give give him a reprieve as to be fair he's got a lot more right than he's got wrong this season, I just hope he learns from yesterday and doesn't make the same mistake.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on February 12, 2017, 08:46:33 AM
Have to admit I was wrong on Pulis. He clearly had a longer term plan which needed a certain type of player to work. I still think we are a work in progress but he seems to be moving towards what he wants and Pulis is making us into a very effective and balanced team. He is proving that you can build a solid team that defends well but can also excite at this level. A middle ground - not the park the bus strategy that we associated with Pulis earlier and not one that can attack freely and yet concedes lots of goals, but one that can defend deeply when necessary very effectively but can also break with pace. He probably needs two/three more quality signings but you have to say he has done a very good job so far (particularly this season).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wobbs68 on February 12, 2017, 09:41:28 AM
My opinion of Pulis has slowly changed along with his style however he did revert to old tactics yesterday which almost cost us the game.

From a strong position it almost seemed Pulis wanted to defend a point from a winning position by taking off all our flair and pace and inviting a good attacking side on to us.  West Ham's weakness is their defence and when we pushed they struggled but once we gave up they high ground we invited the inevitable.  It came as no surprise once they scored the equaliser and then grabbed what we all thought was the winner.

Overall we probably deserved a draw however towards the end West Ham were the only team who looked like they could win the game.  If not for a bit of fortune getting a corner in the 93rd minute we would have lost from open play.  For the last 10 minutes our most attacking threat appeared to be Nyom!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on February 12, 2017, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: wobbs68 on February 12, 2017, 09:41:28 AM
My opinion of Pulis has slowly changed along with his style however he did revert to old tactics yesterday which almost cost us the game.

From a strong position it almost seemed Pulis wanted to defend a point from a winning position by taking off all our flair and pace and inviting a good attacking side on to us.  West Ham's weakness is their defence and when we pushed they struggled but once we gave up they high ground we invited the inevitable.  It came as no surprise once they scored the equaliser and then grabbed what we all thought was the winner.

Overall we probably deserved a draw however towards the end West Ham were the only team who looked like they could win the game.  If not for a bit of fortune getting a corner in the 93rd minute we would have lost from open play.  For the last 10 minutes our most attacking threat appeared to be Nyom!
Yep, hope he learns from that. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 12, 2017, 11:04:22 AM
The challenge for Pulis this season was to become a little bit more progressive and convert some of the draws against the teams outside the top 6 into wins, which we had to do if we had any aspiration to a top half finish. Across the last 15 games he has done that.

If you want to look at a pivotal moment I think it was Leicester City away and to be honest nothing much in the run up to that game suggested we had really moved on from the rather dour grinding machine (West Ham aside but that was a little freaky). That night we looked pretty decent and equally Leicester looked poor and that seems to have set the pattern for both teams for the remainder of the season.

Pulis now faces the challenge of sustaining our improvement across the next 13 games without the threat of relegation. You can still argue that we could and should get more out of players like Chadli and there remains a substantial question mark over what happens if and when teams start to change tack against us particularly when they visit the Hawthorns.

In this regard Slaven Billic's programme notes were instructive heaping praise on our organisation and our quality so I don't think West Ham will turn up next year and play so openly as they did this. Pulis will have to move on again if he wants to repeat a top 10 finish which is looking increasingly likely for this season.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 12, 2017, 12:33:51 PM
His section of the first 11 is usually spot on.
His substitutions should just be used when absolutely necessary.
He seems to still have the mentality that if we are in the lead (no matter how slender) we have to take off goal scorers and players who can disrupt the oppositions' defenders.
Keep the ball in their half and surely it is harder for them to attack and score.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on February 12, 2017, 02:06:19 PM
Got a lot right this season and I'm conitually impressed how he has progressed us and our style of play.

However, I felt he got out of jail today. Every one of his substitutes were unnecessary and invited more and more pressure on our back four.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 12, 2017, 03:27:24 PM
Quote from: CL3MO on February 12, 2017, 02:06:19 PM
Got a lot right this season and I'm conitually impressed how he has progressed us and our style of play.

However, I felt he got out of jail today. Every one of his substitutes were unnecessary and invited more and more pressure on our back four.
Fully agree the Chadli one was baffling no one expected that he was having his best game for a while.We live and we learn Rondon is a beast great game yesterday along with Nyom.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 12, 2017, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: CL3MO on February 12, 2017, 02:06:19 PM
Got a lot right this season and I'm conitually impressed how he has progressed us and our style of play.

However, I felt he got out of jail today. Every one of his substitutes were unnecessary and invited more and more pressure on our back four.

Agree totally. I wish we'd start taking games to opponents when we are on the front foot rather than sitting back and trying to hold on. And then trying to hold on for a draw when that doesn't work. If we want to push on above 8th, we need to go into games against the likes of West ham aiming to win every time, rather than being happy with a point
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 13, 2017, 06:58:55 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on February 12, 2017, 05:08:08 PM
Agree totally. I wish we'd start taking games to opponents when we are on the front foot rather than sitting back and trying to hold on. And then trying to hold on for a draw when that doesn't work. If we want to push on above 8th, we need to go into games against the likes of West ham aiming to win every time, rather than being happy with a point

In the pursuit of 7th  a 4 point gap across 13 games should be bridgeable but draws are becoming less valuable and with the threat of relegation gone  we can and should be going out to play on the front foot to achieve wins, almost regardless of the opposition. In short we have very little to lose and everything to gain. Two draws equals 2 points whereas a win and a defeat equals 3. If we want to maximise our points total defending narrow leads or protecting a point is no longer protects us from relegation but prevents us from going higher than 8th.

It will be interesting to see how Pulis approaches the rest of the season including the "must win" fixture against Everton away.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 13, 2017, 10:28:19 AM
People are being a little harsh, West Ham were good on Saturday and really controlled the game in midfield despite our best efforts.  I don't think anyone thought it outrageous that we kept the same team but we couldn't get a grip on the game.  With a goal already on the board it would make sense not to go too gung ho. 

I know it's disappointing that we didn't just go all out attack and see what happened but I can at least see the logic in trying to shore us up. 

I do think he went a little too defensive when he swapped Morisson for Yacob - that was at the point where I felt like we'd given up any hope of a second goal for us.  Yacob dropped way too deep and was at fault for not closing down for the second goal.

I think 7th is a bridge too far this season.  Lukaku is a beast and will keep banging the goals in.  If we get a result at Goodison Park it's game on though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 13, 2017, 12:52:00 PM
I think we have an issue immediately after making substitutions we seem to concede.
Gardner was seen as the signal for this to occur and again on Saturday Chadli off, Yac on = Goal.

I seriously think we need to be coached on how to remain solid for 5 minutes after a sub is used.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 13, 2017, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: Albionic on February 13, 2017, 12:52:00 PM
I think we have an issue immediately after making substitutions we seem to concede.
Gardner was seen as the signal for this to occur and again on Saturday Chadli off, Yac on = Goal.

I seriously think we need to be coached on how to remain solid for 5 minutes after a sub is used.

Or learn to utilise substitutions better. Sometimes I don't feel that a sub is needed at all, but almost out of habit we make the change anyway. Perhaps it's not the team that needs to remain solid, but better substitutions that don't disrupt the team's shape or rhythm. Just looking at it from a different point of view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on February 13, 2017, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 13, 2017, 06:58:55 AM
In the pursuit of 7th  a 4 point gap across 13 games should be bridgeable but draws are becoming less valuable and with the threat of relegation gone  we can and should be going out to play on the front foot to achieve wins, almost regardless of the opposition. In short we have very little to lose and everything to gain. Two draws equals 2 points whereas a win and a defeat equals 3. If we want to maximise our points total defending narrow leads or protecting a point is no longer protects us from relegation but prevents us from going higher than 8th.

It will be interesting to see how Pulis approaches the rest of the season including the "must win" fixture against Everton away.

Beat Bournemouth at home and then I think we will see what he is made of. Once we reach that magic points he has no reason not to go for the win in each and every game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 13, 2017, 04:22:14 PM
Quote from: Morany on February 13, 2017, 04:04:19 PM
Beat Bournemouth at home and then I think we will see what he is made of. Once we reach that magic points he has no reason not to go for the win in each and every game

This is what im waiting for.

Be interesting to see how we do once we get the 40 points. Im hoping we really push on and try to break our points record and finish as high as possible. They not only owe it to paying fans but they owe it to the rest of the league to be as competitive in every game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 13, 2017, 04:39:48 PM
I recall a lot on here saying this squad couldn't play decent football and survive. Well it seems we can. All I asked for is to see some balance in our play which we certainly have seen over the last few months. Credit where it is due to TP and co. The squad may be very small and have a few holes in it but it is packed with Prem experience and some decent quality. As others have already mentioned it will be interesting to see how we approach the rest of the season now we are all but safe. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 13, 2017, 04:55:01 PM
Quote from: smethwickw on February 13, 2017, 04:39:48 PM
I recall a lot on here saying this squad couldn't play decent football and survive. Well it seems we can. All I asked for is to see some balance in our play which we certainly have seen over the last few months. Credit where it is due to TP and co. The squad may be very small and have a few holes in it but it is packed with Prem experience and some decent quality. As others have already mentioned it will be interesting to see how we approach the rest of the season now we are all but safe.

That's what I'm waiting for. If they don't go off on their holidays early then I may well get my old season ticket back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lindenbaggie on February 13, 2017, 05:03:04 PM
Pulis is a realist who knows he's competing with resourceful clubs who think they should be in an European League with Real Madrid and Barcelona. He continually looks at the wider picture and so should we as supporters. He knows what he's doing so let him get on with it in  his own way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on February 13, 2017, 06:24:31 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 13, 2017, 04:22:14 PM
This is what im waiting for.

Be interesting to see how we do once we get the 40 points. Im hoping we really push on and try to break our points record and finish as high as possible. They not only owe it to paying fans but they owe it to the rest of the league to be as competitive in every game

It's also know important to keep up the impedous to going to the close season to get people up for next season and the ground full again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on February 13, 2017, 06:34:16 PM
I think it's a bit unfair on the West Ham because from my perspective I view it as West Ham dropping 2 points and us keeping the gap between them. Yes more wins will be nice but preventing teams like West Ham/Watford/Southampton from beating us keeps our gap between them. If we lost to West Ham they'll be 2 points behind but now they are effectively 6 points behind us due to goal difference.

There is no reason against the top 6 or the bottom 6 not to be more aggressive because a lost won't hurt out league standing to badly but there is a pragmatic side of not letting the middle teams get closer to you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on February 14, 2017, 12:33:49 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 13, 2017, 06:58:55 AM
In the pursuit of 7th  a 4 point gap across 13 games should be bridgeable but draws are becoming less valuable and with the threat of relegation gone  we can and should be going out to play on the front foot to achieve wins, almost regardless of the opposition. In short we have very little to lose and everything to gain. Two draws equals 2 points whereas a win and a defeat equals 3. If we want to maximise our points total defending narrow leads or protecting a point is no longer protects us from relegation but prevents us from going higher than 8th.

It will be interesting to see how Pulis approaches the rest of the season including the "must win" fixture against Everton away.

I don't agree that we should be going all out to try and win games because we are safe, if our aim is to get as m any points as we can/ you could say that playing the way Pulis has been is what is working to achieve that. That going all out, getting rid of the discipline that has got us this many points not only has the chance of undoing the confidence the team has built up, but takes away the foundations to grow next year again. A top 10 finish is an excellent result for a club that has spent what we have over the years. As an organisation it represents a team performing to or above standards and I don't see why changing it to suit the public is going to happen. If we were 7th the same could be said for going hell bent for 6th and if 6th for 5th

We are not going to win every game against West Ham and Southampton and all the other clubs around us, if we did, we would be in Champions League and even those clubs drop games.

I am really really pleased with what we have been doing now and if we somehow manage a similar points ratio closing out the season we would end up with 55+ points and that gives us real impetus when chasing players to say we are a club ready to pounce on a spot in Europe if a top team fails.

With the money that the current top 7 have to spend, sitting just in behind them is a great achievement.

Arsenal
Chelsea
Everton
Liverpool
Man City
Man United
Tottenham


Anyway I understand the want of more expansive football, it is far more enjoyable to watch and it will bring some nice games but that is not what got us here and I don't see why the club will change.

Also if we did change and went into the off-season dropping 8 of our last 10, shipping a lot of goals, but picked up 1-2 imprepssive wins... Would that be better or worse for next season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 14, 2017, 12:19:15 PM
I agree, we should just keep on doing what we're doing.  Our current approach is to try and take as many points as possible - Pulis has us playing in a way that he thinks, given our current squad, will do that.

I'd like to see us give Field and Leko a bit of game time where we can.  But considering that some fans get the knives out after every single loss, the last thing we want to do is go on a poor run and start next season under pressure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 15, 2017, 06:52:03 AM
Quote from: mateinone on February 14, 2017, 12:33:49 AM
I don't agree that we should be going all out to try and win games because we are safe, if our aim is to get as m any points as we can/ you could say that playing the way Pulis has been is what is working to achieve that. That going all out, getting rid of the discipline that has got us this many points not only has the chance of undoing the confidence the team has built up, but takes away the foundations to grow next year again. A top 10 finish is an excellent result for a club that has spent what we have over the years. As an organisation it represents a team performing to or above standards and I don't see why changing it to suit the public is going to happen. If we were 7th the same could be said for going hell bent for 6th and if 6th for 5th

We are not going to win every game against West Ham and Southampton and all the other clubs around us, if we did, we would be in Champions League and even those clubs drop games.

I am really really pleased with what we have been doing now and if we somehow manage a similar points ratio closing out the season we would end up with 55+ points and that gives us real impetus when chasing players to say we are a club ready to pounce on a spot in Europe if a top team fails.

With the money that the current top 7 have to spend, sitting just in behind them is a great achievement.

Arsenal
Chelsea
Everton
Liverpool
Man City
Man United
Tottenham


Anyway I understand the want of more expansive football, it is far more enjoyable to watch and it will bring some nice games but that is not what got us here and I don't see why the club will change.

Also if we did change and went into the off-season dropping 8 of our last 10, shipping a lot of goals, but picked up 1-2 imprepssive wins... Would that be better or worse for next season?

We have an opportunity to finish 7th and that might give us European football now, it is quite likely that the opportunity won't present itself next year. We are punching above our weight you can't expect anything other than regression next season regardless of the players we may or may not sign this summer.

To get a top half finish and 50 points requires us to get 13 points across the remaining 13 fixtures which we can achieve just by grinding out at a point a game, in that context any point is a good point. To progress beyond that against teams outside the top 6 a point should be viewed as two points dropped rather than a point gained.

In practical terms our approach isn't going to change, we will still sit deep and counter but we shouldn't take the counter out of the game with 30 minutes left on the clock to hold a slender lead or take a point with the scores level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 15, 2017, 08:48:03 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 15, 2017, 06:52:03 AM
We have an opportunity to finish 7th and that might give us European football now, it is quite likely that the opportunity won't present itself next year. We are punching above our weight you can't expect anything other than regression next season regardless of the players we may or may not sign this summer.

To get a top half finish and 50 points requires us to get 13 points across the remaining 13 fixtures which we can achieve just by grinding out at a point a game, in that context any point is a good point. To progress beyond that against teams outside the top 6 a point should be viewed as two points dropped rather than a point gained.

In practical terms our approach isn't going to change, we will still sit deep and counter but we shouldn't take the counter out of the game with 30 minutes left on the clock to hold a slender lead or take a point with the scores level.

Interesting points Stan.

During JP's stewardship, we weren't that interested in European Football via the Europa League. The argument was, the cost outweighed the advantages. It will be interesting to see if that position has changed under the new owners.

At the moment, the strategy is a top 10 finish, together with a good performance in both domestic cup competitions. The top 10 finish looks likely this season, but both domestic cup competitions were a big time fail.
With the quality of our squad at the moment, it's difficult to see how we could compete well in the Europa League. IMO opinion, based on current performance, we will need significant investment in the squad during the summer to meet this seasons strategic targets, let alone competing in Europe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on February 15, 2017, 10:40:51 AM
The best manager we have had for decades. Better than Hodgson who saw it as a job to redeem himself and move on to something better.
Tony is passionate about us, he wanted to come, he spoke of the clubs great heritage and history and wants to build solid foundations for the future.
What people forget is what we were like before he came. A laughing stock under Mel and Irvine, who the players had little respect for, a divided disillusioned dressing room and a team in free fall.
He stopped the rot and slowly began to mould us.
It was ugly boring and crude, but first he made us difficult to break down which always gives you a chance of gaining points.
Slowly he has started to introduce the flair players like Chadli, Phillips and Nyom.
He said at the beginning that fans needed to give him a few years and then judge him.
He is doing fine imo, this time of year we are usually looking over our shoulder at the bottom three.
I think being Albion fans we expect the team to go out and play like Barcelona every week, but the Premier League is unforgiving and merciless, despite what Mowbray spouted it IS about results and not performances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on February 15, 2017, 11:34:36 AM
Quote from: divinewind on February 15, 2017, 10:40:51 AM
The best manager we have had for decades. Better than Hodgson who saw it as a job to redeem himself and move on to something better.
Tony is passionate about us, he wanted to come, he spoke of the clubs great heritage and history and wants to build solid foundations for the future.
What people forget is what we were like before he came. A laughing stock under Mel and Irvine, who the players had little respect for, a divided disillusioned dressing room and a team in free fall.
He stopped the rot and slowly began to mould us.
It was ugly boring and crude, but first he made us difficult to break down which always gives you a chance of gaining points.
Slowly he has started to introduce the flair players like Chadli, Phillips and Nyom.
He said at the beginning that fans needed to give him a few years and then judge him.
He is doing fine imo, this time of year we are usually looking over our shoulder at the bottom three.
I think being Albion fans we expect the team to go out and play like Barcelona every week, but the Premier League is unforgiving and merciless, despite what Mowbray spouted it IS about results and not performances.
Totally agree!

A year ago i was bored rigid & thought there's got to be more to supporting the Baggies than this, but as divine says above, TP asked for time regarding the entertainment aspect, & true to his word, better quality footballers are giving us better quality football!
IMO he's doing a fantastic job & deserves the backing he's starting to receive from both ends of the Hawthorns atm.
For me, I'd add Livermore to that list of quality players we've brought in .. proper box to box midfielder & looking like 10 million well spent!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 15, 2017, 01:21:46 PM
https://chanceanalytics.com/2017/01/15/are-we-calculating-possession-all-wrong/

Great article looking at our game vs Arsenal and using different methods to calculate possession stats.

Makes you think that Tony actually knows what he's doing and has a definitive plan. Love the bit about how much we reduce the 'ball in play' time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 15, 2017, 01:30:36 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 15, 2017, 06:52:03 AM
We have an opportunity to finish 7th and that might give us European football now, it is quite likely that the opportunity won't present itself next year. We are punching above our weight you can't expect anything other than regression next season regardless of the players we may or may not sign this summer.

To get a top half finish and 50 points requires us to get 13 points across the remaining 13 fixtures which we can achieve just by grinding out at a point a game, in that context any point is a good point. To progress beyond that against teams outside the top 6 a point should be viewed as two points dropped rather than a point gained.

In practical terms our approach isn't going to change, we will still sit deep and counter but we shouldn't take the counter out of the game with 30 minutes left on the clock to hold a slender lead or take a point with the scores level.

We are punching above our weight you can't expect anything other than regression next season regardless of the players we may or may not sign this summer.

This is not something i had not considered and it is hard to argue against,
So in short - this is as good as it will get - best we make the most of it then ! It will could be a long time till we are these heady heights again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 15, 2017, 03:38:21 PM
Villa's decline started when they spent massively under O'Neill to try to get into the Champions League.  A club could easily spend £200m and not succeed in progressing from 7th or 8th. Ignoring Leicester's freak year, the odds are massively stacked against a club of our size because of the FFP wage cap in any event.

Challenging for a Europa League spot (which brings its own player resource challenges if successful) and strong domestic Cup performances is realistically as good as will get for us.  That's the reality because of the massive financial muscle of the big 6.  Everton might just break into the top 6, and so might Newcastle or even West Ham at some stage, but it's one heck of a challenge for us on gates of 26,000.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 15, 2017, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 15, 2017, 03:38:21 PM
Villa's decline started when they spent massively under O'Neill to try to get into the Champions League.  A club could easily spend £200m and not succeed in progressing from 7th or 8th. Ignoring Leicester's freak year, the odds are massively stacked against a club of our size because of the FFP wage cap in any event.

Challenging for a Europa League spot (which brings its own player resource challenges if successful) and strong domestic Cup performances is realistically as good as will get for us.  That's the reality because of the massive financial muscle of the big 6.  Everton might just break into the top 6, and so might Newcastle or even West Ham at some stage, but it's one heck of a challenge for us on gates of 26,000.

Gate money has little to do with it.
I think the gate receipts form about 6% of the clubs income.
The money comes from staying in the Premier League
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 15, 2017, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 15, 2017, 03:43:40 PM
Gate money has little to do with it.
I think the gate receipts form about 6% of the clubs income.
The money comes from staying in the Premier League

Correct - for the year to end of FY 2015 our gate income was £8 million, TV and broadcasting was £77 million. Couldn't find last years (does anyone know if the annual report is available anywhere). This year it's £120 odd million for the TV and broadcasting alone, with probably little change in gate receipts as we haven't shifted prices or attendances dramatically since then. Leicester won the league with a couple of thousand more capacity than us..

Interstingly our wage bill to turnover for that year was 73%. Not sure how high this is now but shows how much of our income we already spend on wages.

Edit, for a bit of comparison on turnover percentage to wages:

Man City - 55%
Man utd - 51%
Newcastle - 50%
Spurs - 52%
West Ham - 60%
Liverpool - 56%
Leicester - 55%
Hull - 67%
Everton - 62%
Palace - 67%
Burnley - 37%
Arsenal - 56%

Shows how much more room to play with the other clubs have compared to us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 15, 2017, 04:43:00 PM
Any idea regarding Bournemouth?

I'd imagine a fair old percentage of their revenue goes on wages too.

Ed: I know they were promoted before the 2015 accounts would have been released, but just wondered if you had any idea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 15, 2017, 04:53:35 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on February 15, 2017, 04:43:00 PM
Any idea regarding Bournemouth?

I'd imagine a fair old percentage of their revenue goes on wages too.

Ed: I know they were promoted before the 2015 accounts would have been released, but just wondered if you had any idea.

According to the Swiss Rambler, at the end of last season their wage bill equated to 75.5% of turnover.

See printed table for details.

http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/bournemouth-welcome-to-pleasuredome.html (http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/bournemouth-welcome-to-pleasuredome.html)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 15, 2017, 04:59:44 PM
Sorry Albionic  but I believe we should be targeting 7th at least year on year we may pull it off or we may not,but regression is not something that should be in the players minds We should target as high a finish as possible and set our stall out in the cups ie do as Southampton have done and we are still a bigger club than them so if they can stay competitive so can we.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 15, 2017, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on February 15, 2017, 04:53:35 PM
According to the Swiss Rambler, at the end of last season their wage bill equated to 75.5% of turnover.

See printed table for details.

http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/bournemouth-welcome-to-pleasuredome.html (http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/bournemouth-welcome-to-pleasuredome.html)

Yeah there are a few teams around the same amount of us, really shows the gap between the likes of us and the top teams. We were 4th highest that season for amount of turnover spent on wages. The others were:

1. QPR - 85%
2. Swansea - 80%
3. Sunderland - 76%
4. Us - 73%
5. Villa - 72%
6. Southampton 70%

Looking at this years full accounts (for last years figures) the turnover was £98.3 million (£7.6 million from gate receipts), and total cost of wages £73 million, so 74% or so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 15, 2017, 07:34:36 PM
When I was in business we tried to keep our wages around 60%.
It's not as easy as it sounds but after paying other costs always left us with a profit at year end Inc leaving some money in the company for corporation tax etc.
But I guess football is another world.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 15, 2017, 07:45:40 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on February 15, 2017, 07:34:36 PM
When I was in business we tried to keep our wages around 60%.
It's not as easy as it sounds but after paying other costs always left us with a profit at year end Inc leaving some money in the company for corporation tax etc.
But I guess football is another world.

Our pre-tax profits for the last few years too if you're interested:

Year end 2016 - £1.2m
Year end 2015 - £3.7m
Year end 2014 - £12.8m
Year end 2013 - £6m
Year end 2012 - £0.4m
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 15, 2017, 07:49:09 PM
Thought this was the Pulis thread  I`ll ramble on anyway
TP states that the club will evolve with small steps  with one or 2 coming in in the summer i think this has to be the right way when you look at the Vile and how they spent money and got nowhere  keep up the good work Baggies
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 15, 2017, 08:33:10 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 15, 2017, 04:59:44 PM
Sorry Albionic  but I believe we should be targeting 7th at least year on year we may pull it off or we may not,but regression is not something that should be in the players minds We should target as high a finish as possible and set our stall out in the cups ie do as Southampton have done and we are still a bigger club than them so if they can stay competitive so can we.

I think you are mixing up 2 things
a) you talk about targets (which i agree with you on)
b) Standaman was talking about probable achievement (which I agree with him on)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 15, 2017, 08:55:50 PM
Iv`e read what standiman said but he believes we will regress next season but I don`t  he thinks we are punching above our weight  but I don`t we are where we are because of sheer hard work and a lot of skill and I think we will stablise ourselves anyway thats a long way off lets get as high up the league as possible and try and put those scousers under a bit of pressure
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 15, 2017, 09:25:59 PM
The very nature of sport, luck & the form of it's participants will have a massive impact on the position of a team in a league. So it's difficult to assess progress in one season

It's trends we need to look at to see progress. Our trends over the past few seasons suggest that we have now become an established PL side, & we should expect to finish somewhere in the middle of the table. With a bit of good fortune, we could expect to finish in the top 10.

If you look at the profile of teams around us, I agree with Standaman & Albionic, that we are punching above our weight, & unless we have a significant improvement in the quality of the squad, we should not be disappointed if our league position regresses slightly next year.

Personally, I wouldn't be too disappointed if we didn't get Europa League football next season, but I would like to see a bit more effort in domestic cup competitions.

It's plainly obvious from our national team that our coaches are not very good at tournament football, TP would go up a lot in my estimation, if he could show he was.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 15, 2017, 09:42:45 PM
Blimey, i'm agreeing with every one today.
Mid-table (ie 10th +/- 5) should be our window for a target. Successfully targetting of the cups would be the potential differentiator between a good / bad season.

That said, no way should we assume we are SO established that we shouldn't be wary of a bad season. There lies to road to arrogance and contempt. (also known as Viledom)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 15, 2017, 10:16:54 PM
Quote from: Albionic on February 15, 2017, 09:42:45 PM
Blimey, i'm agreeing with every one today.
Mid-table (ie 10th +/- 5) should be our window for a target. Successfully targetting of the cups would be the potential differentiator between a good / bad season.

That said, no way should we assume we are SO established that we shouldn't be wary of a bad season. There lies to road to arrogance and contempt. (also known as Viledom)

I was thinking the same thing, wouldn't be an overdose of Woodfordes by any chance? :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 15, 2017, 10:18:22 PM
I agree with Albi and bagjohn we will need luck keep the injuries away get the right players in we do need to do better in the cups to keep some of the fans interested But we are an established club with one of the fittest squads we have ever had  and with a well respected manager who up to now has done little wrong and he won`t let them get complacent. I just wish the fans would come back and fill the ground every week as it could possibly be best Premier League side we have ever had
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on February 16, 2017, 12:45:15 AM
I don't think we are sitting where we are by chance, yes we have had games where Foster has saved us and times where luck has been a fortune, but that doesn't mean we don't deserve to be where we are or that we can't be aiming realistically at similar results, sometimes achieving, sometimes not achieving them.

The problem is going to be ensuring that we not only have the funds tobring in better players for the fringe players, but that we are also able replace the key older players as their time comes near. McAuley, Yacob, Morrison, Brunt.. they have all been corner stones (even excusing the McAuley errors) and we need to make sure we pick as strong with their replacements. it is highly unlikely we will be getting them for anything near the steal we got those for.

I (NOW) genuinely believe Pulis has turned us into a 7-12 team  that should be comfortable and he has done it his way. All power to him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 16, 2017, 06:49:29 AM
Quote from: mateinone on February 16, 2017, 12:45:15 AM

I (NOW) genuinely believe Pulis has turned us into a 7-12 team  that should be comfortable and he has done it his way. All power to him

I don't think there is such a thing with the possible exception of Everton but I wouldn't cap their range at 7th. Looking at the experience of Newcastle West Ham Swansea and Leicester if you have a likely finishing range that is effectively capped at 7th your downside is going to be lower than 12th.

In terms of resources the top 6 probably won't finish outside the top half and that leaves the other 14 clubs many of whom have very similar resources but a few that have significantly more than us,with all of the  bottom 10 places.

Although this discussion is on the Pulis thread my view is not particularly coloured by who the Head Coach is it is more about the statistical probability of what next season might hold. The opportunity that we currently have to finish 7th might not come around too often, which is why we should gamble a little tactically to hunt it down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 16, 2017, 09:44:11 AM
Quote from: Albionic on February 15, 2017, 09:42:45 PM
Blimey, i'm agreeing with every one today.
Mid-table (ie 10th +/- 5) should be our window for a target. Successfully targetting of the cups would be the potential differentiator between a good / bad season.

That said, no way should we assume we are SO established that we shouldn't be wary of a bad season. There lies to road to arrogance and contempt. (also known as Viledom)

I agree with this.  10th +/5 being our window.  A good season would see us finish towards the top, a poor season towards the bottom.   We can accept finishing towards the bottom if we'd had a good run in a cup. 

We can't be complacent, we went from finishing 8th to a couple of seasons later being involved in relegation battles not that long ago.

I get the point about regressing, you can't see the top 6 really budging considering the budgets and Everton will take some overtaking so you'd expect them to finish 7th-9th.  It doesn't leave much room for improvement so we should just look to make us finish more consistentlt at this end of the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 16, 2017, 01:07:33 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 15, 2017, 10:16:54 PM
I was thinking the same thing, wouldn't be an overdose of Woodfordes by any chance? :)

will be on the wherry tonight!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 16, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
As you know iv`e been a TP fan from the off. this Question is for all those TP fans who hate/disliked /in two minds/ or who said they would never go to the Albion until TP has gone. Have your view`s changed or not
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 16, 2017, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 16, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
As you know iv`e been a TP fan from the off. this Question is for all those TP fans who hate/disliked /in two minds/ or who said they would never go to the Albion until TP has gone. Have your view`s changed or not
Yes, based upon what i have read on this site about the style of play. I'm looking forward to visiting Shrine for Palarse
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 16, 2017, 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 16, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
As you know iv`e been a TP fan from the off. this Question is for all those TP fans who hate/disliked /in two minds/ or who said they would never go to the Albion until TP has gone. Have your view`s changed or not

On the pitch, yes. We've gone from about 7 games with 0 shots on target last season, which was totally unacceptable and frankly a joke, to a system where by we've only been soundly beaten about 3 times and have a fantastic record against non-top-six clubs. We're obviously going in the right direction.

Off the pitch, I think (well, actually it's a court proven fact) he's a crooked liar and i wouldn't trust him as far as i could throw him. His interviews annoy me (always bigging up the opposition and getting his excuses in first) and he doesn't help the clubs image with his antics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chrisabbey on February 16, 2017, 03:31:28 PM
What antics?? Do you mean sticking up for himself & club? (hughes/Stoke,berahino situation) , as for his dispute with crystal palace,it as absolutely nothing to do with Albion, its a dispute between the employee and employer , exactly the same that we see in workplace tribunals' all over the place. Palace won, fair enough!! Move on there's nothing to see here!! I just wish our fans would just let pulis get on with what he does best(his job) and take a look over the other side of the fence at villa,wolves & blues to see what's being built at the hawthorns!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 16, 2017, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 15, 2017, 03:43:40 PM
Gate money has little to do with it.
I think the gate receipts form about 6% of the clubs income.
The money comes from staying in the Premier League

That's partially true, as global merchandising revenue is huge for the big 6 clubs.

But compared to Man United with average gates of say 60,000 versus our 26,000 that's 34,000 x 19 home league games x £60, which is around £38m extra towards the annual wage bill.  Yes, the larger ground costs more to maintain, so let's call it £30m.  Even ignoring global merchandising revenue an extra £30m to spend on wages across a 25-man first team squad is an average of nearly £25k per week per player.

So yes, gates can and do make a big difference.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 16, 2017, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 16, 2017, 04:00:37 PM
That's partially true, as global merchandising revenue is huge for the big 6 clubs.

But compared to Man United with average gates of say 60,000 versus our 26,000 that's 34,000 x 19 home league games x £60, which is around £38m extra towards the annual wage bill.  Yes, the larger ground costs more to maintain, so let's call it £30m.  Even ignoring global merchandising revenue an extra £30m to spend on wages across a 25-man first team squad is an average of nearly £25k per week per player.

So yes, gates can and do make a big difference.

Surely thats against the principle of FFP (Furck fair play)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 16, 2017, 04:13:17 PM
Please stick to discussing Tony Pulis.
Posts about revenue need to be placed in a more appropriate topic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 16, 2017, 04:40:26 PM
welcome chrisabbey and i`m with you on your TP post
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chrisabbey on February 16, 2017, 06:18:18 PM
Opinions are what makes sport great, but what as stuck in my crawl from more or less day one of pulis's tenure is the constant attempt to pick fault with everything they can. Take last season for example, the fact we struggled to score goals and petered when the war was won with 9 games remaining, its blamed 100% at pulis's door, folks didn't look, didn't listen to any of the signs or evidence, they just when for pulis's head like a mad bull! Last season our top scorer of 20 goals from previous season decided to down tools completely and become as bad a professional I've ever seen, Morrison and brunt both got season ending injuries which coincided with our worst form, there was no players anywhere near the quality of chadli or Phillips on the pitch meaning the manager had to rely on the likes of Gardner & mcclean out wide (good honest pros but limited),all this against a back drop of Jeremy peace selling the club in a long drawn out affair, with strict instructions to stay up at all costs!! Last year for me was a steady if unspectacular season of consolidation, enjoyed all the more by watching Aston villa play out one of the most humiliating relegations in premier league history and wolves sinking lower than a snakes belly!! Yes, walking in the pub in Sedgley on Saturday nights during TP'S reign has been by and large a smiley experience, it wasn't so under the likes of Alan Irvine and pepe Mel!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 16, 2017, 08:02:45 PM
Quote from: chrisabbey on February 16, 2017, 06:18:18 PM
Opinions are what makes sport great, but what as stuck in my crawl from more or less day one of pulis's tenure is the constant attempt to pick fault with everything they can. Take last season for example, the fact we struggled to score goals and petered when the war was won with 9 games remaining, its blamed 100% at pulis's door, folks didn't look, didn't listen to any of the signs or evidence, they just when for pulis's head like a mad bull! Last season our top scorer of 20 goals from previous season decided to down tools completely and become as bad a professional I've ever seen, Morrison and brunt both got season ending injuries which coincided with our worst form, there was no players anywhere near the quality of chadli or Phillips on the pitch meaning the manager had to rely on the likes of Gardner & mcclean out wide (good honest pros but limited),all this against a back drop of Jeremy peace selling the club in a long drawn out affair, with strict instructions to stay up at all costs!! Last year for me was a steady if unspectacular season of consolidation, enjoyed all the more by watching Aston villa play out one of the most humiliating relegations in premier league history and wolves sinking lower than a snakes belly!! Yes, walking in the pub in Sedgley on Saturday nights during TP'S reign has been by and large a smiley experience, it wasn't so under the likes of Alan Irvine and pepe Mel!
Applause to that speech mate!   8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 16, 2017, 09:51:19 PM
Agree with that chrisabbey.  I think what frustrated me was the hammering of him over anything and everything.  When we didn't have any shots at goal for a few matches that statistic was rolled out.  Then when we had shots we switched to shots on target.  Then when we had shots on target, it was goals scored that mattered.  Then we score a few and it's clean sheets.and football quality, etc.  Throw in complaints like "he shouts too much, you wouldn't work with someone shouting like that at you", and stuff like "he doesn't ever aim to get more than 40 points", "it's impossible for him to finish top half".  Nothing that he did was correct, even when you could see the logic behind it.

It's why I ended up defending him a lot of the time because a lot of the complaints were a bit harsh.  I thought he should be given this season and was starting to have doubts early on as I wanted to see improvement and we were struggling a bit.  I think Pulis is a better manager than a lot of people (myself included) gave him credit for.

Regardless of what happens for the rest of the season - we might tail off, or pick up a few serious injuries, etc - I think we've shown enough that he's worth sticking with for another year or two.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 17, 2017, 07:20:32 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 16, 2017, 09:51:19 PM
Agree with that chrisabbey.  I think what frustrated me was the hammering of him over anything and everything.  When we didn't have any shots at goal for a few matches that statistic was rolled out.  Then when we had shots we switched to shots on target.  Then when we had shots on target, it was goals scored that mattered.  Then we score a few and it's clean sheets.and football quality, etc.  Throw in complaints like "he shouts too much, you wouldn't work with someone shouting like that at you", and stuff like "he doesn't ever aim to get more than 40 points", "it's impossible for him to finish top half".  Nothing that he did was correct, even when you could see the logic behind it.

It's why I ended up defending him a lot of the time because a lot of the complaints were a bit harsh.  I thought he should be given this season and was starting to have doubts early on as I wanted to see improvement and we were struggling a bit.  I think Pulis is a better manager than a lot of people (myself included) gave him credit for.

Regardless of what happens for the rest of the season - we might tail off, or pick up a few serious injuries, etc - I think we've shown enough that he's worth sticking with for another year or two.
Well said, Pulis is a builder and now the shackles of the sale are off we can see how he has formed a team with defensive discipline and can attack down both flanks and through center.We have a solid team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 17, 2017, 08:16:57 AM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on February 17, 2017, 07:20:32 AM
Well said, Pulis is a builder and now the shackles of the sale are off we can see how he has formed a team with defensive discipline and can attack down both flanks and through center.We have a solid team.

IF we break 50 points and finish top half this will be the first time in Pulis' Premier League career that he has achieved this. He never did it at Stoke despite spending a relatively large amount of the owners money. After 5 years in the Premier League he hadn't moved beyond a deep sitting block that was heavily dependent on set pieces to score the few goals that they did score. Ultimately despite a very strong relationship with the Chairman this inability to progress cost him a job that he plainly loved amid growing disquiet among a fan base who were tired of watching that dross every week.

His first season and a half here was pretty much the same and the fans were growing ever more disgruntled and had started to vote with their feet. To his credit this season he has bolted on a counter attacking threat to the deep sitting defensive block. This has worked in that it has generated better performances more goals and to date better results and other things being equal we should finish top half and break the 50 point barrier.

The next challenge is how he responds when the opposition coaches adjust to the counter attacking threat we now pose. The higher we finish this season the quicker that challenge will arrive, in any event I absolutely guarantee that Billic and Dyche will remember their last visit to the Hawthorns and will adjust accordingly.

Before anyone suggests that the next step in our development will happen because all of a sudden Pulis is going to be working with a much better quality of player that won't be the case they will be similar in quality to what we already have e.g. the type of player that will typically be found at a mid-table Premier League side.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 17, 2017, 09:27:24 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 17, 2017, 08:16:57 AM

Before anyone suggests that the next step in our development will happen because all of a sudden Pulis is going to be working with a much better quality of player that won't be the case they will be similar in quality to what we already have e.g. the type of player that will typically be found at a mid-table Premier League side.



Like having Chadli instead of Gardner? Good point :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 17, 2017, 10:00:38 AM
So Chadli,Evans ,Fletcher and Rondon came from Mid Table premiership clubs Hmmmm not when i last looked
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 17, 2017, 10:03:56 AM
The point was ALL OF A SUDDEN,
the only way we will ALL OF A SUDDEN get a step change in quality is if the owner stumps up a fortune of the 50-100m scale. yes we have evolved the squad over the last couple of years but its hardly been a revolution has it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chrisabbey on February 17, 2017, 10:06:16 AM
Oh yes the job he did at Stoke City argument! People can pick holes in the job he did there all they want, but from an outsider looking in how on earth they haven't named a stand or built a statue of the bloke I'll never know!! Until tony pulis rocked up nobody had heard of stoke city for 30 years!! He didn't just get them up out of the blue, he kept them there for 6 seasons without the slightest hint of a relegation battle, not like us yo-yoing all over the place, that must have been difficult to do? An impressive job id say!! As for criticising the first 6 months of his job here, well I find that utterly ridiculous, we were 1pt off the relegation zone in a full on relegation battle, having lost 7 out the last 9 fixtures. That was no time for Tim Sherwood type vanity and 8 premier league wins built on a defensive solid base meant we stopped up with ease!! As for better players discussion, well his ability to realise who can play at this level , I also think show good judgement. Last season all and sundry cried out for Belgian legend pocognoli & gamboa the great to play in the 1st team and that pulis didn't like fullbacks, well in Allan nyom he identified a cracker!! In 12/18 months time you will have to look on Wikipedia to find out where poco/gamboa are plying their trade because it wont be in the premier league IMO!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 17, 2017, 10:54:29 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 17, 2017, 08:16:57 AM
IF we break 50 points and finish top half this will be the first time in Pulis' Premier League career that he has achieved this. He never did it at Stoke despite spending a relatively large amount of the owners money. After 5 years in the Premier League he hadn't moved beyond a deep sitting block that was heavily dependent on set pieces to score the few goals that they did score. Ultimately despite a very strong relationship with the Chairman this inability to progress cost him a job that he plainly loved amid growing disquiet among a fan base who were tired of watching that dross every week.

His first season and a half here was pretty much the same and the fans were growing ever more disgruntled and had started to vote with their feet. To his credit this season he has bolted on a counter attacking threat to the deep sitting defensive block. This has worked in that it has generated better performances more goals and to date better results and other things being equal we should finish top half and break the 50 point barrier.

The next challenge is how he responds when the opposition coaches adjust to the counter attacking threat we now pose. The higher we finish this season the quicker that challenge will arrive, in any event I absolutely guarantee that Billic and Dyche will remember their last visit to the Hawthorns and will adjust accordingly.

Before anyone suggests that the next step in our development will happen because all of a sudden Pulis is going to be working with a much better quality of player that won't be the case they will be similar in quality to what we already have e.g. the type of player that will typically be found at a mid-table Premier League side.

What often gets forgotten with Stoke is that the team that first played in the Premier League was very poor,(almost certainly poorer than ours, man for man), relying on long throws, pitch narrowing and other tactics to get results, it was a team that needed major surgery, that costs money, he kept them up and spent money getting them to be a stable Premier League team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Big Al on February 17, 2017, 12:37:26 PM
Having lived in the Stoke area all my life I perhaps followed the Pulis era more closely than most. I did not like and still do not like his time wasting tactics which thankfully have reduced recently. My only other concern was he seemed to make some bad choices in the transfer market. This happens to all clubs but TP had one or two expensive stinkers. So far we have done better in that area and with his developing style for the team I am very pleased to say he has addressed the concerns I had.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chrisabbey on February 17, 2017, 01:44:07 PM
This is why I feel compelled to defend pulis, not because he's the world's greatest manager, he clearly isn't, its because the arguments against him rarely stack up or are fair. Time wasting!! What is it about time wasting you don't like, I don't understand?? So, if we are 1-0 to the good in the 2nd half with 20 minutes left why shouldn't we take an extra few seconds to take a goal kick or throw in, in order to help see the game out? Why should we rush around trying to re start the game quickly? To suggest that pulis is the only manager who applies these tactics is nonsense, last season Leicester city won the premier league and when we got the score back to 3-2 in the 84th, Leicester City time wasted, badly! Blatantly! Kasper schmichael changing which side he wanted to take goal kicks and at one point , apparently noticing something stuck to the ball and running up to it and biting whatever it was off with his mouth!!!! Tony pulis has manager as his limitations that's why he'll never be considered for a top club, but the constant knit picking is what I find strange!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 17, 2017, 02:13:40 PM
Quote from: Big Al on February 17, 2017, 12:37:26 PM
Having lived in the Stoke area all my life I perhaps followed the Pulis era more closely than most. I did not like and still do not like his time wasting tactics which thankfully have reduced recently. My only other concern was he seemed to make some bad choices in the transfer market. This happens to all clubs but TP had one or two expensive stinkers. So far we have done better in that area and with his developing style for the team I am very pleased to say he has addressed the concerns I had.
Something I am not too happy about either.
Perhaps if it was curtailed, we wouldn't see Fozzie dashing up when a corner or free kick is taken later on in the match.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 17, 2017, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: chrisabbey on February 17, 2017, 01:44:07 PM
This is why I feel compelled to defend pulis, not because he's the world's greatest manager, he clearly isn't, its because the arguments against him rarely stack up or are fair. Time wasting!! What is it about time wasting you don't like, I don't understand?? So, if we are 1-0 to the good in the 2nd half with 20 minutes left why shouldn't we take an extra few seconds to take a goal kick or throw in, in order to help see the game out? Why should we rush around trying to re start the game quickly? To suggest that pulis is the only manager who applies these tactics is nonsense, last season Leicester city won the premier league and when we got the score back to 3-2 in the 84th, Leicester City time wasted, badly! Blatantly! Kasper schmichael changing which side he wanted to take goal kicks and at one point , apparently noticing something stuck to the ball and running up to it and biting whatever it was off with his mouth!!!! Tony pulis has manager as his limitations that's why he'll never be considered for a top club, but the constant knit picking is what I find strange!

There's a difference between time wasting towards the end of a match to protect a lead and time wasting from the first whistle to reduce the time the ball is in play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 17, 2017, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: MarkW on February 17, 2017, 02:16:52 PM
There's a difference between time wasting towards the end of a match to protect a lead and time wasting from the first whistle to reduce the time the ball is in play.
or from the instant you take the lead, be that 6th or 86th minute
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 17, 2017, 02:29:55 PM
It is funny all this talk about TP he must be a very good manager as in the last couple of weeks has been touted by a fan of both Man Utd and Arsenal that if he was the manager of those clubs he would do a better job so he must be doing something right to get into the minds of other teams fans   KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK TP
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chrisabbey on February 17, 2017, 02:53:41 PM
Ok, there is a difference between 6th minutes and 84minutes, but what examples are you talking about? Which games? That ray of sunshine Bournemouth time wasted last year for Long periods after taking the lead(rolling round the floor for minutes on end) and a game against Chelsea under pepe Mel, mourhinos men blatantly time wasted , one blazing row between cech & ivanohvic I seem to recall lasted 30-40 seconds, it didn't work big Vic equalised on 88 minutes. I'm all for ruling out time wasting, just make sure everyone does it! :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 17, 2017, 03:24:19 PM
We the punters who pay to be entertained should be making a right stink about time wasting IMHO. whereas,
We the supporters who want win games should shut the .... up, whereas,
We the players / coaches who get paid win bonuses will do what is required to maximise those bonuses
We the refs will implement the rules, (sort of, i cannot recall seeing players getting a 2nd yellow for time wasting recently)

there's the dilemma
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 17, 2017, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 17, 2017, 09:27:24 AM
Like having Chadli instead of Gardner? Good point :)

I'm not talking about the current squad but the likely recruitment over the summer. Gardner v Chadli I'd give you that but let's face it they don't play in the same position and Gardner has hardly ever been anything other than a squad player.

The truth of the matter that there isn't any chance that the better parts of the starting XI will be upgraded this summer and our squad won't be in any stronger than the rest of those teams in the mid-table mix.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ian66 on February 17, 2017, 06:19:47 PM
WM Phone in with Franksie Tuesday night TP. Should be a good listen!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 17, 2017, 06:51:20 PM
Why not Standaman believe it or not we have managed to upgrade our squad in 4 of the last 5 windows  winter 14 Fletcher, summer 15 Evans and Rondon, winter 15 nobody summer 16 Chadli and Nyom  winter 17 Livermore so why not next summer Pulis doing a bloody good job now we are getting a better squad together lets have faith in our recruitment staff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 17, 2017, 07:17:40 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 17, 2017, 05:32:12 PM
I'm not talking about the current squad but the likely recruitment over the summer. Gardner v Chadli I'd give you that but let's face it they don't play in the same position and Gardner has hardly ever been anything other than a squad player.

The truth of the matter that there isn't any chance that the better parts of the starting XI will be upgraded this summer and our squad won't be in any stronger than the rest of those teams in the mid-table mix.
I think you are probably right about the better parts of the starting X1 not being upgraded. I tend to see that as a positive though, improve the weaker parts gradually with 3 or 4 signings in the summer. That's the way we seem to do it, keep the identity. I'm happy with that approach and don't want 7 or 8 signings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 17, 2017, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 17, 2017, 06:51:20 PM
Why not Standaman believe it or not we have managed to upgrade our squad in 4 of the last 5 windows  winter 14 Fletcher, summer 15 Evans and Rondon, winter 15 nobody summer 16 Chadli and Nyom  winter 17 Livermore so why not next summer Pulis doing a bloody good job now we are getting a better squad together lets have faith in our recruitment staff.

The squad evolves but the cap on the quality that we are going to attract remains in place we aren't about to sign players that are a step change from the current squad. Fletcher is a good example we are very unlikely to pick up a Fletcher in his prime we are only ever likely to get the one that joined us who being generous was on the down slope and now needs replacing just to stand still
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 17, 2017, 10:02:51 PM
SO the fans player of the year was on a down slope when he joined us was he don`t believe that for one minute you`ve picked on one player but the other five names I mentioned you don`t pick on but like Fletcher they have upgraded our club and I forgot to mention Phillips so it is actually 6 players so over the last few transfer deadline`s we have upgraded and are now a better club and team than the one TP took over
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 17, 2017, 10:28:22 PM
Foster
Wisdom
McAuley
Lescott
Baird
Brunt
Morrison
Dorrans
Gardner
Sessegnon
Ideye

This was our first 11 in Irvine's last game before Pulis took over. It goes to show how much better our team is now and what good signings Pulis has made.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 17, 2017, 10:58:21 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 17, 2017, 10:02:51 PM
SO the fans player of the year was on a down slope when he joined us was he don`t believe that for one minute you`ve picked on one player but the other five names I mentioned you don`t pick on but like Fletcher they have upgraded our club and I forgot to mention Phillips so it is actually 6 players so over the last few transfer deadline`s we have upgraded and are now a better club and team than the one TP took over

Yes if Fletcher was at his peak he would be at United and failing that he would be at another top 6 club or Everton like Schneiderlin. That doesn't mean that he didn't make a contribution in his first season. Sure we can pick up Phillips or someone similar like Redmond Brady or Narsingh but the point that I'm making is we ain't about to get a Di María.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 18, 2017, 01:10:22 AM
Jesus Wept, and he was your hero...  :-X

Quote from: Legend on February 17, 2017, 10:28:22 PM
Foster modern day hero
Wisdom back-up right back for Austrian League Champions (on loan from Liverpool)
McAuley modern day hero
Lescott contract terminated by AEK Athens after refusing to rehab injury in Greece, picked up on a 4 month deal by Sunderland but yet to play.
Baird 26 appearances for Championship Derby County
Brunt modern day club legend
Morrison modern day club legend
Dorrans a never was as far as PL football is concerned, bit part player at Norwich City in the Championship
Gardner Cheerleader and all round good guy at Championship Birmingham City
Sessegnon Over 1000 minutes for Ligue A  midtable side Montpellier, 1 goal, 1 assist... Nothing new there
Ideye gone on to better if not bigger things with Olympiakos, never a lone frontman, but a goalscorer in poorer leagues

This was our first 11 in Irvine's last game before Pulis took over. It goes to show how much better our team is now and what good signings Pulis has made.

Thank goodness for TP, and the fact he had a few excellent Premier League footballers he could count on from day 1 (none of them anything to do with Alan Irvine).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 18, 2017, 01:37:26 AM
Quote from: Legend on February 17, 2017, 10:28:22 PM
Foster
Wisdom
McAuley
Lescott
Baird
Brunt
Morrison
Dorrans
Gardner
Sessegnon
Ideye

This was our first 11 in Irvine's last game before Pulis took over. It goes to show how much better our team is now and what good signings Pulis has made.

There was an interview with Adrian Chiles I think? recently where Pulis said his first target was getting rid of the dead wood and sorting out the bad feeling in the dressing room. I think he's done that if I'm honest, and now starting to impose himself on the team with the players he wants.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 18, 2017, 05:05:26 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 17, 2017, 09:30:42 PM
The squad evolves but the cap on the quality that we are going to attract remains in place we aren't about to sign players that are a step change from the current squad. Fletcher is a good example we are very unlikely to pick up a Fletcher in his prime we are only ever likely to get the one that joined us who being generous was on the down slope and now needs replacing just to stand still

If we can "only" sign players of the proven calibre of Fletcher, Evans, Rondon, Chadli and Livermore then that's fine with me. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2017, 06:54:45 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 17, 2017, 09:30:42 PM
The squad evolves but the cap on the quality that we are going to attract remains in place we aren't about to sign players that are a step change from the current squad. Fletcher is a good example we are very unlikely to pick up a Fletcher in his prime we are only ever likely to get the one that joined us who being generous was on the down slope and now needs replacing just to stand still

We have never been able to attract the players of the calibre you allude to, Astle, Regis, Cunningham etc all came from the lower leagues, the signings Pulis has made are of a very good quality, they are exactly the sort of players we should be signing, Fletcher has been a great signing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 18, 2017, 08:36:55 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 18, 2017, 05:05:26 AM
If we can "only" sign players of the proven calibre of Fletcher, Evans, Rondon, Chadli and Livermore then that's fine with me.

Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2017, 06:54:45 AM
We have never been able to attract the players of the calibre you allude to, Astle, Regis, Cunningham etc all came from the lower leagues, the signings Pulis has made are of a very good quality, they are exactly the sort of players we should be signing, Fletcher has been a great signing.

The point I was making wasn't that the players signed over the last two years are bad far from it and they represent an improvement on what was here before and some instances that wasn't too difficult.

The point I was making was if it was that a similar step change in personnel isn't readily available to us looking at players we will be replacing in the coming windows purely because of their age in no particular order

Brunt
Morrison
Fletcher
McAuley

The players coming in will be younger but they won't be better.

I don't share the general view on Fletcher but that doesn't detract from point I was making about the next tactical challenge that Pulis will face will be with a squad of similar quality. The next challenge being is when the rest of division wakes up to the counter attack threat we pose and adjusts their approach particularly when they visit the Hawthorns.

The counter attack is the easiest thing to defend against we are living proof of that. Sit deep don't break your shape play the percentage ball down the channels don't over commit even for corners and set pieces around your opponents box. The top 6 won't do it of course but they are probably 2 goals better than us anyway and we might catch them out purely through their own arrogance but in terms of points gained this will be more than offset by the rest of the division not making the mistake of attacking us naively.

To get top 10 next year we will have to start to unpick deep sitting blocks which we haven't been too good at when Championship sides have played us in the cup. This is a new challenge for Pulis teams have seldom Pulised him but if we finish top 10 then they will start to. 
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2017, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 18, 2017, 08:36:55 AM
The point I was making wasn't that the players signed over the last two years are bad far from it and they represent an improvement on what was here before and some instances that wasn't too difficult.

The point I was making was if it was that a similar step change in personnel isn't readily available to us looking at players we will be replacing in the coming windows purely because of their age in no particular order

Brunt
Morrison
Fletcher
McAuley

The players coming in will be younger but they won't be better.

I don't share the general view on Fletcher but that doesn't detract from point I was making about the next tactical challenge that Pulis will face will be with a squad of similar quality. The next challenge being is when the rest of division wakes up to the counter attack threat we pose and adjusts their approach particularly when they visit the Hawthorns.

The counter attack is the easiest thing to defend against we are living proof of that. Sit deep don't break your shape play the percentage ball down the channels don't over commit even for corners and set pieces around your opponents box. The top 6 won't do it of course but they are probably 2 goals better than us anyway and we might catch them out purely through their own arrogance but in terms of points gained this will be more than offset by the rest of the division not making the mistake of attacking us naively.

To get top 10 next year we will have to start to unpick deep sitting blocks which we haven't been too good at when Championship sides have played us in the cup. This is a new challenge for Pulis teams have seldom Pulised him but if we finish top 10 then they will start to.

But the facts detract from your point, we have only lost once to a team outside of the top 6, we will always be a counter attacking team in this division, our resources simply don't allow us to compete with teams any other way and Tony Pulis will always place high value on resolute defence.

I agree with you that the players you have listed will be difficult to replace, but they are not irreplaceable, Field looks like he may be able to replace Fletcher long term in terms of ability if not in leadership. Morrison whilst very good is inconsistent, Phillips delivery is nearly as good as Brunt's, McCauley will be the hardest IMHO, but Dawson is showing promise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 18, 2017, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2017, 08:49:04 AM
But the facts detract from your point, we have only lost once to a team outside of the top 6, we will always be a counter attacking team in this division, our resources simply don't allow us to compete with teams any other way and Tony Pulis will always place high value on resolute defence.

I agree with you that the players you have listed will be difficult to replace, but they are not irreplaceable, Field looks like he may be able to replace Fletcher long term in terms of ability if not in leadership. Morrison whilst very good is inconsistent, Phillips delivery is nearly as good as Brunt's, McCauley will be the hardest IMHO, but Dawson is showing promise.

Sorry either I'm not explaining this very well or you are missing the point.

At the moment in the here and now everything is working well. We have improved beyond most fans's expectations. There is a debate as to whether to the degree that this a positive change from the coach or a natural consequence of having better players. In all probability it's a bit of both the irony being that Pulis's detractors oddly enough give Pulis a bit more credit for adapting rather than he's defenders who point to the players.

In terms of overall quality in the squad I think you also agree that in broad terms it is unlikely that any improvement is going to be a step change in what has gone before.

Morrison and Chadli are both inconsistent. If Morrison produced his peak performances on a regular basis he would have migrated to a top 6 club and Chadli would still be at one. Neither are consistent,  so they are both here and are two of our better players and it is not a criticism of either player but it is indicative of where we sit in the overall scheme of things. 

The tactical point I was making was that a counter attacking strategy  can only be effective if the opposition attacks you. The more defensive the opposition the less effective the strategy is and a top half finish this year and a few painful lessons learnt by opposition coaches will see a change within the opposition certainly next year.

We may not have to wait too long to get a foretaste of what is to come. Palace will be here in few weeks time. Under Pardew they would have probably attacked us naively and on this season's form I'd have backed us to run out comfortable winners with a couple of goals on the counter (or from set pieces won from a counter). Alladyce isn't too proud to pack a defence and scrap for a point or nick a late winner from a game dominated by the opposition. It will present a different challenge to anything we have seen at the Hawthorns certainly since the 'Boro game back in September. 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 18, 2017, 10:09:25 AM
How many managers have the thick skin to defend for 90 minutes and risk the wrath of their supporters?

Mourinho will do it against top 4 teams or in the latter stages of the Champions League. But is expected to steamroll everybody else.

Big Sam and Moyes are at the stage where they are willing to try anything. Then there's Dyche who has a lot of credit in the bank and fan base that will give him the chance to try new things to get those elusive away points.

It was not long ago you guys were slaughtering Pulis for having the temerity to 'park the bus' at Everton in his first away game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 18, 2017, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 18, 2017, 10:09:25 AM
How many managers have the thick skin to defend for 90 minutes and risk the wrath of their supporters?

Mourinho will do it against top 4 teams or in the latter stages of the Champions League. But is expected to steamroll everybody else.

Big Sam and Moyes are at the stage where they are willing to try anything. Then there's Dyche who has a lot of credit in the bank and fan base that will give him the chance to try new things to get those elusive away points.

It was not long ago you guys were slaughtering Pulis for having the temerity to 'park the bus' at Everton in his first away game.

If we finish 8th or even better perceptions change certainly among managers and more slowly among supporters that  there is no shame in taking a hard won point from the Hawthorns it's almost like they have permission to set up in the most effective manner to negate a counter attacking team. Stoke should try it sometime.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2017, 11:03:41 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 18, 2017, 09:44:08 AM
Sorry either I'm not explaining this very well or you are missing the point.

At the moment in the here and now everything is working well. We have improved beyond most fans's expectations. There is a debate as to whether to the degree that this a positive change from the coach or a natural consequence of having better players. In all probability it's a bit of both the irony being that Pulis's detractors oddly enough give Pulis a bit more credit for adapting rather than he's defenders who point to the players.

In terms of overall quality in the squad I think you also agree that in broad terms it is unlikely that any improvement is going to be a step change in what has gone before.

Morrison and Chadli are both inconsistent. If Morrison produced his peak performances on a regular basis he would have migrated to a top 6 club and Chadli would still be at one. Neither are consistent,  so they are both here and are two of our better players and it is not a criticism of either player but it is indicative of where we sit in the overall scheme of things. 

The tactical point I was making was that a counter attacking strategy  can only be effective if the opposition attacks you. The more defensive the opposition the less effective the strategy is and a top half finish this year and a few painful lessons learnt by opposition coaches will see a change within the opposition certainly next year.

We may not have to wait too long to get a foretaste of what is to come. Palace will be here in few weeks time. Under Pardew they would have probably attacked us naively and on this season's form I'd have backed us to run out comfortable winners with a couple of goals on the counter (or from set pieces won from a counter). Alladyce isn't too proud to pack a defence and scrap for a point or nick a late winner from a game dominated by the opposition. It will present a different challenge to anything we have seen at the Hawthorns certainly since the 'Boro game back in September.

I agree that is possible, but, the evidence so far is our tactics are sound and our player recruitment fits it perfectly, adapting to changing circumstances will be a test for Pulis, but with his emphasis on set piece delivery, even a team that sits back can not avoid that tactic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 18, 2017, 04:12:45 PM
Any team sitting back against us beware yes we have scored a lot of goals on the counter but we are the set piece kings we still score a lot of goals from set pieces so give  [ free kicks  or corners ] away at your peril
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 18, 2017, 08:33:31 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2017, 11:03:41 AM
I agree that is possible, but, the evidence so far is our tactics are sound and our player recruitment fits it perfectly, adapting to changing circumstances will be a test for Pulis, but with his emphasis on set piece delivery, even a team that sits back can not avoid that tactic.
It is called sound football by a bloke who knows his stuff. Nothing more or nothing less.
The Pulis haters will carry on in their World of doubting Thomas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on February 19, 2017, 02:21:56 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2017, 06:54:45 AM
We have never been able to attract the players of the calibre you allude to, Astle, Regis, Cunningham etc all came from the lower leagues, the signings Pulis has made are of a very good quality, they are exactly the sort of players we should be signing, Fletcher has been a great signing.
back in the day we did she'll out half a million quid for mills broke the transfer record. Hasn't always been the so called big six or whatever the biased media calls them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 19, 2017, 10:56:01 AM
Quote from: paulosull on February 19, 2017, 02:21:56 AM
back in the day we did she'll out half a million quid for mills broke the transfer record. Hasn't always been the so called big six or whatever the biased media calls them

But we sold Robson and Cunningham to fund players like David Mills, that went well didn't it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: silver surfer on February 19, 2017, 11:58:20 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 19, 2017, 10:56:01 AM
But we sold Robson and Cunningham to fund players like David Mills, that went well didn't it.
i stand to be corrected but I think we had already bought Mills £500k, Barnes £750k and Owen £450 while we still had Robbo and Remi as well.
The sale of Cunningham obviously funded a large proprtion but the remaining outlay was a fair amount at the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 20, 2017, 07:30:33 AM
Tone on the WM Phone in tomorrow at 5.30 pm if anybody wants 'a word'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 20, 2017, 08:57:50 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 18, 2017, 09:44:08 AM
Sorry either I'm not explaining this very well or you are missing the point.

At the moment in the here and now everything is working well. We have improved beyond most fans's expectations. There is a debate as to whether to the degree that this a positive change from the coach or a natural consequence of having better players. In all probability it's a bit of both the irony being that Pulis's detractors oddly enough give Pulis a bit more credit for adapting rather than he's defenders who point to the players.

In terms of overall quality in the squad I think you also agree that in broad terms it is unlikely that any improvement is going to be a step change in what has gone before.

Morrison and Chadli are both inconsistent. If Morrison produced his peak performances on a regular basis he would have migrated to a top 6 club and Chadli would still be at one. Neither are consistent,  so they are both here and are two of our better players and it is not a criticism of either player but it is indicative of where we sit in the overall scheme of things. 

The tactical point I was making was that a counter attacking strategy  can only be effective if the opposition attacks you. The more defensive the opposition the less effective the strategy is and a top half finish this year and a few painful lessons learnt by opposition coaches will see a change within the opposition certainly next year.

We may not have to wait too long to get a foretaste of what is to come. Palace will be here in few weeks time. Under Pardew they would have probably attacked us naively and on this season's form I'd have backed us to run out comfortable winners with a couple of goals on the counter (or from set pieces won from a counter). Alladyce isn't too proud to pack a defence and scrap for a point or nick a late winner from a game dominated by the opposition. It will present a different challenge to anything we have seen at the Hawthorns certainly since the 'Boro game back in September.
Think that's a very good point mate. The only game I can remember, where we had the majority possession, was Derby (not researched it so, stand to be corrected) and we got beat.
There is a real risk that the opposition will start to scupper our game plan by letting us have the ball! This is why we need another option up front.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on February 20, 2017, 11:07:15 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on February 20, 2017, 08:57:50 AM
Think that's a very good point mate. The only game I can remember, where we had the majority possession, was Derby (not researched it so, stand to be corrected) and we got beat.
There is a real risk that the opposition will start to scupper our game plan by letting us have the ball! This is why we need another option up front.

I would agree with this but would also say that the full back areas will be key. Brunt offers genuine attacking quality when played there but Dawson does not, Nyom is more attack minded but not a great deliverer of the final ball. That's why I think two well-rounded full backs should be central to our summer recruitment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 20, 2017, 12:12:32 PM
There is no chance the opposition will let us have the ball we sit to deep and Pulis will instruct Foster will hit it long so that the opposition we have the ball . As for full backs do not need a right back Nyom has made that his own. definate left back and centre half
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 20, 2017, 05:53:13 PM
Good to see the comments about the youngsters by Pulis from the Tyler Roberts story:

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2017/02/20/west-broms-tyler-roberts-making-waves-on-loan-at-shrewsbury-town/

The 18-year-old opened the scoring for the League One side in Saturday’s 2-1 win over AFC Wimbledon and he was named man of the match too.

Roberts joined Paul Hurst’s side in January, and has helped the Shrews go on an impressive run that has lifted them out of the danger zone.

Shrewsbury have won four of the six games Roberts has featured in, drawing one and losing the other. He already has two goals, two assists, and two man of the match performances.

The Wales youth international spent the first half of the season on loan at Oxford United but he’s enjoying life at Greenhous Meadow much more.

Albion academy manager Mark Harrison says it is proof he is learning fast.

“It’s been managed correctly,” said Harrison. “He had a loan with Oxford, which was good experience off the pitch.

“Then we reassessed it, and thought ‘is there another team he can go to and start a few more games?’

“Tony (Pulis) sat him down just before he went out to Shrewsbury and told him to use the experience from Oxford and kick on. Shrewsbury have been brilliant in the way they managed Tyler. He’s doing excellent at the minute.

“All the feedback is that they’re really impressed with him. How many 18-year-olds are doing what he is doing in League One at the moment?”

Pulis is eager to get as many of his promising youngsters out on loan as possible to give them experience of men’s football, but he’s had to keep back some of the best because of his small squad.

“The key thing with Tony is he’s seen the potential with the players in the academy,” said Harrison. “Rekeem Harper, Sam Field, Jonathan Leko, Kane Wilson are all in Tony’s thoughts.

“He’s had Rayhaan Tulloch and Jamie Soule train with him."

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 21, 2017, 10:08:52 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on February 20, 2017, 07:30:33 AM
Tone on the WM Phone in tomorrow at 5.30 pm if anybody wants 'a word'

Will be an interesting listen, hopefully those with strong views call up and manage to get through as its an opportunity that won't come around again anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 21, 2017, 10:15:26 AM
Very rare PL managers do this sort if thing , hope the callers arent hand picked .....
Be great if somebody could post a link later. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ian66 on February 21, 2017, 10:36:07 AM
If you can't listen live tonight, it should be on iplayer later or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 21, 2017, 10:59:16 AM
Quote from: Dexy on February 21, 2017, 10:15:26 AM
Very rare PL managers do this sort if thing , hope the callers arent hand picked .....
Be great if somebody could post a link later. :D
did I see the NBC show was filming it too? If so I imagine it'll be heavily prepared and vetted
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 21, 2017, 11:04:13 AM
I wonder if Eddie will call his mate?  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on February 21, 2017, 05:40:07 PM
Tone is live on BBC WM now. Just started.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on February 21, 2017, 06:21:10 PM
Quote from: Barrington on February 21, 2017, 05:40:07 PM
Tone is live on BBC WM now. Just started.

Eddie's just been on and did eat a little humble pie at the end!
Hadn't realised he was nearly 80! Great passion still!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 21, 2017, 07:00:22 PM
Did Pulis just say that Phillips cost £3m?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 21, 2017, 07:03:11 PM
Intersting point about his time with Stoke in Europe. Said rather than fitness etc the biggest issue was player mentality when players came back for the league games. Said the Europe games became the big nights and occasions for the players, so they weren't seeing the league games as big games when they returned. Also said Stoke had a stronger squad when they got in and he'd need to improve in the summer if we got in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 21, 2017, 07:24:06 PM
Link to the radio show with Pulis: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04s18l5
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 21, 2017, 07:38:20 PM
He seems to have a great affinity with the club and players.
Noticed he put great emphasis on the 'group' getting along and playing for each other
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 21, 2017, 07:42:22 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 21, 2017, 07:00:22 PM
Did Pulis just say that Phillips cost £3m?

Yep, just listening from the start as missed half of it and he interrupts when the host is saying what did Phillips cost 6-7 million, with 3! Also says he made a mistake with McManaman and the club have moved on to another level from him now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 22, 2017, 08:23:54 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 21, 2017, 07:00:22 PM
Did Pulis just say that Phillips cost £3m?

That was pretty much the only interesting thing to come out of the phone in, Pulis handled himself very well but there were no difficult questions for him. I'm particularly disappointed no one asked about him limiting us by being so reluctant to sign anyone from abroad, would have been interesting to hear his view on that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 22, 2017, 08:32:44 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on February 22, 2017, 08:23:54 AM
That was pretty much the only interesting thing to come out of the phone in, Pulis handled himself very well but there were no difficult questions for him. I'm particularly disappointed no one asked about him limiting us by being so reluctant to sign anyone from abroad, would have been interesting to hear his view on that.

I imagine he would have mentioned that he signed Rondon from oversees and if he could get similar quality again he would.
With regard to the January window he would probably say he looks to sign players either already playing in or who have experience of the Premier league as the whole point in January is to get players in that will have an instant impact, a player signed from abroad may take 2 to 3 months to get to grips with the league.

Obviously that's just my guess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on February 22, 2017, 11:15:50 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on February 22, 2017, 08:23:54 AM
That was pretty much the only interesting thing to come out of the phone in, Pulis handled himself very well but there were no difficult questions for him. I'm particularly disappointed no one asked about him limiting us by being so reluctant to sign anyone from abroad, would have been interesting to hear his view on that.

I felt the same, not enough questions and a little too much fawning over the job that has been done to date. It prompted me to make a call and ask about whether he foresaw the need to target full backs that were better on the ball moving forward, to which he agreed, so good to know we are targeting those areas in the summer. I wish I hadn't asked him about full backs specifically though and asked what areas as a blank question. It would have been more interesting to hear if he had those areas in mind or whether he was just agreeing with me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jonasyoulegend on February 22, 2017, 11:55:03 AM
What a pleasure it was listening to Pulis on WM last night, he was spot on. Finally proving the doubters wrong. He represents everything right in football and in the workplace more importantly, hard work, togetherness, honesty, determination, patience, realism, throw in some quality and you've got success. What a manager.

Anyone who slated him before is plain wrong. That's not my opinion its fact. We had a rubbish squad when he took over and look what he's done, yow cor polish a turd .... Slowly slowly catchy monkey.

Great bloke, ringing ticket office now to buy tickets to remaining home games this year,

Well done Tone! I knew you'd prove people wrong
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 22, 2017, 12:36:05 PM
Very complimentary about Sam Field.
One of the most talented youngster he's worked with (or words to that effect).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 22, 2017, 06:46:47 PM
Quote from: baggiebof on February 22, 2017, 11:15:50 AM
I felt the same, not enough questions and a little too much fawning over the job that has been done to date. It prompted me to make a call and ask about whether he foresaw the need to target full backs that were better on the ball moving forward, to which he agreed, so good to know we are targeting those areas in the summer. I wish I hadn't asked him about full backs specifically though and asked what areas as a blank question. It would have been more interesting to hear if he had those areas in mind or whether he was just agreeing with me.

To be fair it sounded to me as though he wants to improve the entire team, or at least said that. When questions about Rondon came up he said we need another striker, centre backs he said they are looking for more pace, full backs etc. One thing he did say which caught my attention was that he doesn't like having big squads; said that 18 good players and the rest youngsters is fine for him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 22, 2017, 07:11:08 PM
Also, apparently the video shot by the NBC of the interview is on BBC WM's Facebook page
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 22, 2017, 08:04:08 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on February 22, 2017, 06:46:47 PM
To be fair it sounded to me as though he wants to improve the entire team, or at least said that. When questions about Rondon came up he said we need another striker, centre backs he said they are looking for more pace, full backs etc. One thing he did say which caught my attention was that he doesn't like having big squads; said that 18 good players and the rest youngsters is fine for him
Yes that's interesting your last point. Strikes me that's about the number we have now ? I guess it would mean gradual improvement in all areas within that 18 players and as some are phased out (e.g. Olsson) buy the best quality you can to replace them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 22, 2017, 10:23:52 PM
Quote from: Adder on February 22, 2017, 08:04:08 PM
Yes that's interesting your last point. Strikes me that's about the number we have now ? I guess it would mean gradual improvement in all areas within that 18 players and as some are phased out (e.g. Olsson) buy the best quality you can to replace them.

Yeah I think that's probably the plan. Although he contradicted a bit by continually saying that he wanted to make lots of signings to improve the team. Another interesting nugget I picked up on was that he said we're likely to continue to look at players that we were looking at in January as well as a few new ones, since there's so much to get agreed for each transfer and we weren't able to in January for some
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 22, 2017, 11:00:21 PM
Not really contradicting he knows that a couple will leave and have to be replaced
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 23, 2017, 06:46:23 AM
We currently have 19 senior pro's on our books including two loanees. We started the season with 20. I suspect that 18 is the bare minimum and the under 21's would have to be considered capable of stepping up (Leko and Field almost certainly are). My guess is we will finish the summer with similar numbers to last year.

In terms of obvious recruitment that means no more than 5 new players over the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 23, 2017, 06:53:52 AM
Quote from: Standaman on February 23, 2017, 06:46:23 AM
We currently have 19 senior pro's on our books including two loanees. We started the season with 20. I suspect that 18 is the bare minimum and the under 21's would have to be considered capable of stepping up (Leko and Field almost certainly are). My guess is we will finish the summer with similar numbers to last year.

In terms of obvious recruitment that means no more than 5 new players over the summer.

I honestly don't think it will be that many. I reckon a striker and a replacement for Olsson

Quote from: wba13 on February 22, 2017, 11:00:21 PM
Not really contradicting he knows that a couple will leave and have to be replaced

It is when on one hand he says he likes having a small squad of 18 players, then on the other says we need lots of signings. Although most of that radio interview was like that to be honest
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 23, 2017, 07:39:43 AM
They tell you nothing other than what you want to hear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 23, 2017, 08:07:40 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on February 23, 2017, 06:53:52 AM
I honestly don't think it will be that many. I reckon a striker and a replacement for Olsson

It is when on one hand he says he likes having a small squad of 18 players, then on the other says we need lots of signings. Although most of that radio interview was like that to be honest

I agree regarding signings, centre back with a bit of pace, 2nd striker, maybe Wilson to become permanent as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 23, 2017, 08:41:13 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on February 23, 2017, 06:53:52 AM
I honestly don't think it will be that many. I reckon a striker and a replacement for Olsson

It is when on one hand he says he likes having a small squad of 18 players, then on the other says we need lots of signings. Although most of that radio interview was like that to be honest

it isn't if he brings in 6 new players and ships out 6 old players though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 23, 2017, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on February 23, 2017, 06:53:52 AM
It is when on one hand he says he likes having a small squad of 18 players, then on the other says we need lots of signings. Although most of that radio interview was like that to be honest

That makes sense surely?  He likes having a small squad but he wants that squad full of high quality players.  If we want to finish where we are now consistently then I think we do need quite a few signings but we'll also ship some out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 23, 2017, 06:48:11 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 23, 2017, 12:54:04 PM
That makes sense surely?  He likes having a small squad but he wants that squad full of high quality players.  If we want to finish where we are now consistently then I think we do need quite a few signings but we'll also ship some out.

Either way, I'm pretty sure we won't see wholesale ins and outs. As mentioned reckon a striker and a centre back, maybe field/leko out on loan, Olsson out. Can't really see us signing anyone else, especially how highly he was speaking of the two full backs, wingers, Evans, Fletcher, Yacob and Livermore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 23, 2017, 07:20:40 PM
Chairman Reconds we are hoping four around 3 signings in the summer
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 24, 2017, 07:49:53 AM
Anyone think Pulis would go to Leicester if they came in for him? Would the lure of going to the Champions with a winnable European tie be enough? I'm sure he would earn a decent package too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 24, 2017, 08:18:23 AM
Quote from: BB74 on February 24, 2017, 07:49:53 AM
Anyone think Pulis would go to Leicester if they came in for him? Wouls the lure of goinf to the Champions with a winnable European tie be enough? I'm sure he would earn a decent package too.
I'd be amazed if Leicester see Pulis as their type of manager, media seem to think Mancini is likely. To answer your question though I don't think he would go to be honest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 24, 2017, 10:06:10 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on February 24, 2017, 08:18:23 AM
I'd be amazed if Leicester see Pulis as their type of manager, media seem to think Mancini is likely. To answer your question though I don't think he would go to be honest.

I agree that he doesn't quite fit Leicester's self image but I wouldn't under estimate how desperate they are to stay in the division nor the amount of money they are willing to throw at their potential savior and that alone would make it tempting.   However they need someone now and are much more likely to hire someone that isn't currently working.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 24, 2017, 10:34:08 AM
You can leave TP out of this he ain`t going nowhere likes our club get`s on well with all why would he change it for a team in turmoil as I said
               HE AIN`T GOING NOWHERE
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on February 24, 2017, 11:30:33 AM
Would Pulis even be that interested? Leicester aren't a big draw now really, they're back to where they were before they won the title already. Once they're out the Champions League, then what would there be for him there? Risk leaving a job he's comfortable at for one where he could quite possibly get relegated and his reputation would be in ruins.

Leicester's achievement was incredible but no manager they get is liable to do any better than Pulis is doing with us with them next season even if they do stay up. Frankly I think you're on a hiding to nothing there, they have higher expectations when their squad isn't actually very good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 24, 2017, 11:48:09 AM
I don't think he would go to the foxes, but that got me thinking who he would go to. Another decent season for us and he could be in for a shout for the England job if Southgate fails at the euros next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on February 24, 2017, 12:08:15 PM
I've read that Williams wants Pulis to sign a new one year deal, logical idea with the team doing well and settled. Hope we get the two to three signings in the summer he wanted, personally wanted four or five, but if the two to three are of the quality to go straight in to the squad then ill be happy. Think Lai with back Pulis with the funds to get his targets. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 24, 2017, 12:24:49 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on February 24, 2017, 11:48:09 AM
I don't think he would go to the foxes, but that got me thinking who he would go to. Another decent season for us and he could be in for a shout for the England job if Southgate fails at the euros next year.

A Welshman in charge of the England team? Not for me thanks!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 24, 2017, 01:00:38 PM
He could be in line for the Welsh job though 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 24, 2017, 01:12:01 PM
The level of delusion on here is astounding. Leicester aren't a big draw? Tony Pulis England Manager?

Leicester have Champions League money, and if they wanted him, he'd go. That team won the league last year, and whoever keeps them up will get buried in cash, so it's exactly the kind of 'challenge' he would go for - but they will want a better manager. And as for England? He simply isn't international material.

I know we're doing well in the League, and opinions have gone the other way about him, but the West Ham game showed that the second he reverts to type people will start laying into him. How about a bit of balance and self-awareness.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 24, 2017, 01:16:47 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on February 24, 2017, 01:12:01 PM
The level of delusion on here is astounding. Leicester aren't a big draw? Tony Pulis England Manager?

Leicester have Champions League money, and if they wanted him, he'd go. That team won the league last year, and whoever keeps them up will get buried in cash, so it's exactly the kind of 'challenge' he would go for - but they will want a better manager. And as for England? He simply isn't international material.

I know we're doing well in the League, and opinions have gone the other way about him, but the West Ham game showed that the second he reverts to type people will start laying into him. How about a bit of balance and self-awareness.

Best home nation manager at the moment another decent season why not? Especially after Allardyce and Southgate neither of those are international pedigree. His currently in a better league position then Hodgson got before leaving to do the job. As BB74 pointed out as a Welshman would he be tempted by the Welsh job?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 24, 2017, 03:19:11 PM
If Pulis isn't going to get one of the big gigs and let's face it that is unlikely there is very little to choose between ourselves and any other mid-table teams other than the money. In that context if Leicester came in with £4m a year 3 year contract then he wolud be tempted.

Football wise if he could keep Leicester in the Division he wouldn't be any worse off than he is now but financially he would be better off  regardless of outcome. All that said I doubt Leicester are about to lure him away
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 24, 2017, 03:22:58 PM
This has been something that has gone through my mind.

Pulls is the relegation master for teams in that position, they could very well go for someone like him.

I dont for one minute think they will though, the media seem to be reporting that they will go for Mancini when in reality they will end up with Pardew
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 24, 2017, 03:42:40 PM
SO Falloutboy Leicester are a big draw no they ain`t Mancini used to play for them and he has today stated he `s not interested  TP would not leave for them Leicester had there day I stated at start of season it was a one off now there back to the land of the living .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on February 24, 2017, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on February 24, 2017, 01:12:01 PM
The level of delusion on here is astounding. Leicester aren't a big draw? Tony Pulis England Manager?

Leicester have Champions League money, and if they wanted him, he'd go. That team won the league last year, and whoever keeps them up will get buried in cash, so it's exactly the kind of 'challenge' he would go for - but they will want a better manager. And as for England? He simply isn't international material.

I know we're doing well in the League, and opinions have gone the other way about him, but the West Ham game showed that the second he reverts to type people will start laying into him. How about a bit of balance and self-awareness.

Look at the players they attracted in the summer, even after winning the title they weren't attracting much quality, yet alone now they're going to finish somewhere in the bottom half. Money doesn't mean much if you can't attract the right kind of player, they're not that rich anyway. They're not a big draw at all. They've blown it, their chance of establishing themselves in the  upper teams is gone now. They're just one of the 12 teams who will start every season thinking about relegation again nowadays.

Come the summer, Leicester will be shopping around the same kind of market we are. Worse if they get relegated. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 24, 2017, 04:53:58 PM
Quote from: Dan on February 24, 2017, 03:50:41 PM
Look at the players they attracted in the summer, even after winning the title they weren't attracting much quality, yet alone now they're going to finish somewhere in the bottom half. Money doesn't mean much if you can't attract the right kind of player, they're not that rich anyway. They're not a big draw at all. They've blown it, their chance of establishing themselves in the  upper teams is gone now. They're just one of the 12 teams who will start every season thinking about relegation again nowadays.

Come the summer, Leicester will be shopping around the same kind of market we are. Worse if they get relegated.

Exactly, bit of a lose lose really. If they go down, his reputation as a relegation expert finishes, and he's likely to be replaced again or have to spend the next few years managing in the Championship instead of an established side like ours.

If he does well and keeps them up, they'll only be attracting the same sort of players that we would be after (or more likely even worse due to only finishing at the lower end of the table) and he'd be effectively starting again - having to clear out the deadwood, sign players he wants, win over the fans, get them playing his style etc.

He's already got all of that with us, and has a decent contract, which I'm sure we'd think about extending even further. He's cleared out the deadwood, signed players he wants, won over a good proportion of fans, and got the team all signing of the same hymsheet. It's got to be more attractive staying here. Leicester are known for chopping and changing managers anyway, why would he risk it all?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 24, 2017, 06:08:18 PM
Money talks, here's a hypothetical deal.  Pulis earns £2m a year he is contracted to 2018 total value  roughly £3m. If Leicester really wanted him £4m a year for 3 years = £12m would do the job it wouldn't matter what happens next. It is nothing to do with players,status or reputation it is has everything to do with the money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 24, 2017, 06:36:00 PM
Said previously. The Leicester job is now forever a poisoned chalice.


Don't think Pulis would entertain the idea to be honest. Will never be able to achieve what his predecessor did, but would always be held to those lofty heights.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 24, 2017, 07:03:45 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 24, 2017, 06:08:18 PM
Money talks, here's a hypothetical deal.  Pulis earns £2m a year he is contracted to 2018 total value  roughly £3m. If Leicester really wanted him £4m a year for 3 years = £12m would do the job it wouldn't matter what happens next. It is nothing to do with players,status or reputation it is has everything to do with the money.

This 100%, a deal like that could wipe out the hit he took in court last year & set him up for life.

Also their squad is far stronger then the one he took over at the Albion when he came, I really don't think it would be too difficult for a manager of Pulis's ability to keep them up, plus they are still in with an outside chance in the Champions League.

Sorry if it upsets a few but if Leicester come calling TP will be off. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 24, 2017, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on February 24, 2017, 07:03:45 PM
This 100%, a deal like that could wipe out the hit he took in court last year & set him up for life.

Also their squad is far stronger then the one he took over at the Albion when he came, I really don't think it would be too difficult for a manager of Pulis's ability to keep them up, plus they are still in with an outside chance in the Champions League.

Sorry if it upsets a few but if Leicester come calling TP will be off.
If they did come calling I'm pretty sure Mr Williams would grasp them very firmly by the short and curlies for a very substantial amount of compensation before agreeing to let him go
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 24, 2017, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on February 24, 2017, 07:40:32 PM
If they did come calling I'm pretty sure Mr Williams would grasp them very firmly by the short and curlies for a very substantial amount of compensation before agreeing to let him go

I agree but how much compo would be enough to cover the loss? hard to put a figure on the potential long term damage to our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 24, 2017, 09:04:09 PM
The only compensation we would get is the unexpired value of the contract i.e. roughly £3m which is as I have often said is money for old rope simply because Coaches turnover so rapidly there is always a good one between jobs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 24, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
WHY are you all talking about something that ain`t gunna appen he`s here for the long haul unless we get rid
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 24, 2017, 10:45:11 PM
Give the man a three-year contract.
(a) He has earned it.
(b) Guaranteed another three years in the Prem
(c) Probably win a cup and continue to improve the team.
Simples!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 24, 2017, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on February 24, 2017, 07:03:45 PM
This 100%, a deal like that could wipe out the hit he took in court last year & set him up for life.

Also their squad is far stronger then the one he took over at the Albion when he came, I really don't think it would be too difficult for a manager of Pulis's ability to keep them up, plus they are still in with an outside chance in the Champions League.

Sorry if it upsets a few but if Leicester come calling TP will be off.

Like I said, why would he move from what is a pretty much comfortable position that he has now? He has another year with us, that must be around £3m or so, we're looking to offer him another deal, and bar a small miracle he's not going to be sacked any time soon.

Or.. go to Leicester, potentially be relegated this year and get replaced, or stay up and start the rebuilding all over again. Why would he need to do all that when he's just got us how he wants?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 25, 2017, 06:20:56 AM
I suppose it all depends how quickly he recovers his fine and court costs!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 25, 2017, 09:10:40 AM
I think if Leicester came calling, Pulis would be tempted.

He's going to have a difficult period between now & the end of the season to keep them up, but they do have some good players, except at the back. If he could get Huth & Morgan to do the same job as GM & Daws, they will stay up easily.

As others have said, Vardy's goal on Wednesday night still gives them a chance in the CL.

What also might tempt Pulis is the fact they they had the funds & chose to buy Slimani, we didn't, so Pulis's preferred choice of Expensive British based players would be more likely to be deliverable at Leicester.

I don't see the Leicester job as poisoned challice, almost everybody recognises, that last years' PL win was over achieving, I doubt that even the Leicester owners would expect that again.
Ranieri was very well backed by the owners, but failure can easily happen when your success is based on emotion, Pulis's approach would be far more mechanised, & IMO, that is the type of Manger Leicester will look for
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 25, 2017, 10:05:33 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 25, 2017, 09:10:40 AM
I think if Leicester came calling, Pulis would be tempted.

He's going to have a difficult period between now & the end of the season to keep them up, but they do have some good players, except at the back. If he could get Huth & Morgan to do the same job as GM & Daws, they will stay up easily.

As others have said, Vardy's goal on Wednesday night still gives them a chance in the CL.

What also might tempt Pulis is the fact they they had the funds & chose to buy Slimani, we didn't, so Pulis's preferred choice of Expensive British based players would be more likely to be deliverable at Leicester.

I don't see the Leicester job as poisoned challice, almost everybody recognises, that last years' PL win was over achieving, I doubt that even the Leicester owners would expect that again.
Ranieri was very well backed by the owners, but failure can easily happen when your success is based on emotion, Pulis's approach would be far more mechanised, & IMO, that is the type of Manger Leicester will look for
Absolutely spot on
Let's not forget after all the shenanigans at palace he could do with a nice signing on bonus and keep us up bonus.
Many of the people on here wanting to dismiss the fact that he would be tempted, are also the ones saying we have reached our ceiling.
If he feels the same about taking us as far as is poss, then why stay, you would assume that if we finish seventh and complete a net spend of 40mil, we would still find it tough to acheive same position again.
How many more opportunities do you all think he will get to have managed in the champions league on his CV?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on February 25, 2017, 10:19:07 AM
Let's hope Leicester don't have our Tonio Pullitisio on their relegation saving radar...😊
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 25, 2017, 10:27:18 AM
Quote from: gavinrussell on February 25, 2017, 10:19:07 AM
Let's hope Leicester don't have our Tonio Pullitisio on their relegation saving radar...😊

Back in October many of us would have hoped that they would take him!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 25, 2017, 12:47:21 PM
I would welcome an approach from Leicester or anybody for that matter. Give him a good payoff to buy his children some property. Ranieri would be a great replacement, as would Wenger if Arsenal decided they needed a change.
It would be nice to see a bit of class and style return to the club.
Pulis has never won anything, other than records for long throw ins and time wasting. Finishing 8th is ok in some peoples eyes, but it is meaningless in the bigger scheme of things.
The foundations are there for something to be achieved , but I doubt very much if Pulis is the man to do it. If you were a talented striker , would you want to play for him?
Come on you Foxes, make us an offer !!


   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 25, 2017, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on February 25, 2017, 10:27:18 AM
Back in October many of us would have hoped that they would take him!
difference 4 months make. Now he just needs to keep it up next season and not regress back to his 20-odd years of "experience".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 25, 2017, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on February 25, 2017, 12:47:21 PM
I would welcome an approach from Leicester or anybody for that matter. Give him a good payoff to buy his children some property. Ranieri would be a great replacement, as would Wenger if Arsenal decided they needed a change.
It would be nice to see a bit of class and style return to the club.
Pulis has never won anything, other than records for long throw ins and time wasting. Finishing 8th is ok in some peoples eyes, but it is meaningless in the bigger scheme of things.
The foundations are there for something to be achieved , but I doubt very much if Pulis is the man to do it. If you were a talented striker , would you want to play for him?
Come on you Foxes, make us an offer !!


 

Drunk already mate.  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 25, 2017, 02:23:37 PM
wonder what  pulis would see as the bigger challenge,  keeping us where we are or keeping Leicester up. he comes across as a competitive person who relishes these types of scenarios. I think the job at Leicester would be of interest to him if he thought we've hit our ceiling.
Ambition and what both clubs want to achieve would have a big say on his decision, personally for now would like him to stay just to see where we as a club are going, this summer hopefully will tell us with the right time to do transfers , a good league campaign under our belt and we should have money to spend.
   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on February 25, 2017, 03:13:56 PM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on February 25, 2017, 12:47:21 PM
I would welcome an approach from Leicester or anybody for that matter. Give him a good payoff to buy his children some property. Ranieri would be a great replacement, as would Wenger if Arsenal decided they needed a change.
It would be nice to see a bit of class and style return to the club.
Pulis has never won anything, other than records for long throw ins and time wasting. Finishing 8th is ok in some peoples eyes, but it is meaningless in the bigger scheme of things.
The foundations are there for something to be achieved , but I doubt very much if Pulis is the man to do it. If you were a talented striker , would you want to play for him?
Come on you Foxes, make us an offer !!


 

pass us the doobie :D :D :D

The way were set up aswell, if pulis left, champagne football would take months and months to impliment.

Pulis is as good as its going to get rn
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on February 25, 2017, 04:54:39 PM
I am really worried about Leicester going after TP also and let's face it, it would be an attractive proposition for any manager to go to a team that performed like Leicester did last season and if they stay up there will not be aa shortage of funds.

I am hoping he sees a project here at the club to move us even further up the ladder over the next few years and hopefully the new owners have given an indication of a willingness to spend on the right players
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 25, 2017, 05:05:19 PM
I don't think he will go to Leicester, he is onto a good thing here, fan expectation is lower than at Leicester after them winning the league plus he's got a stable chairman. He needs a long-term income to pay for his court debts and the best guarentee is with us. At Leicester what if he gets them relegated? It could be his last top-flight job if it went horribly which could hit his pocket. I think he would keep them up anyway, but I think with us he's got a safe job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on February 25, 2017, 06:21:50 PM
I can see Tony using LC as leverage for a better contract but don't see him actually leaving.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 25, 2017, 08:20:24 PM
Boingus leave TP alone  long may he stay some fans d`ont see a good manager when they in front of there nose as for any other manager`s we don`t talk about them while we have one in charge and doing a bloody good job    AS I SAID TWICE YESTERDAY HE AIN`Y GOING ANYWHERE
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 25, 2017, 08:58:15 PM
Boingus, you've got to be on the wind up there eh? This is our best ever points total at this stage of a Premier League season and still that's not good enough for you?

You talk about Pulis not winning anything, not many managers have and you're dreaming if you think Wenger will come here. And as for Ranieri, an amazing season but this season he couldnt get the team going and Leicester's football is hardly amazing.

The platform is there thanks to Pulis and he has shown this season that he can improve so I don't see why he shouldn't get a shot at doing what he can.  Eventually he will move on but while he's here, and our performances and results are good we should get behind him.

8th! We are at a ceiling position wise as we don't have the budget to break into the top 6 and even Everton spend far more than we do.  Our next step should be to make finishing top half a regular occurance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
Just appeared on my twitter feed... Haven't checked its veracity.
If true, shows the superb job TP is doing here.
Quote
#PL (https://twitter.com/hashtag/PL?src=hash) points since November:
West Brom: 30
Spurs: 30
Man City: 29
Arsenal: 27
Liverpool: 26
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 25, 2017, 11:02:39 PM
The November fact is true but the teams concerned have actually played one game less than ourselves so in all likelihood will overtake or equal our points total once the rest of the weekends games have been played. Not withstanding running at nearly 2 points across 16 games is a healthy return
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2017, 11:15:45 PM
Quote from: Standaman on February 25, 2017, 11:02:39 PM
The November fact is true but the teams concerned have actually played one game less than ourselves so in all likelihood will overtake or equal our points total once the rest of the weekends games have been played. Not withstanding running at nearly 2 points across 16 games is a healthy return


Woe is us. Third in that little graphic instead of top... Look at the other teams.


You're the last worthy bastion of anti Pulis on here. Time to fall on your sword?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on February 25, 2017, 11:27:00 PM
Hey boingus,are you really a baggie?
Don't get your thinking mate,why would tone want to leave to go from 8th to 18th?
Money or the challenge?
We will pay him as much as Leicester can.
Challenge,his final challenge is ours.
I think we will be a force next season, whereas Leicester will be in chumps league.
Perhaps you are a fox in the throsles nest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 26, 2017, 01:27:44 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2017, 11:15:45 PM

Woe is us. Third in that little graphic instead of top... Look at the other teams.


You're the last worthy bastion of anti Pulis on here. Time to fall on your sword?

Oddly enough I was merely ironing out the statistical wrinkle but as I said 2 points a game across 16 is pretty decent by any standards.

My argument has never been about results although where we currently are heading is uncharted for both club and coach but none the less is still at the top end of the range we could generally expect given favorable circumstances. We are not yet in the realm of Leicester miracles. 

On the subject of Leicester Pulis would go to there for the money provided it was a lot more than he could earn here and it was guaranteed regardless of how things turn out. Personally I don't think Leicester are going to go down that route but they are desperate and they are prepared to spend a lot of money to stave off the threat of relegation so it is not completely implausible.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 26, 2017, 01:57:52 AM
No wind up. A baggie for many many years. Just not a believer in the Pulis style.Hated the games against Stoke over the years. We are not much better even now. If our only ambition is to finish 8th then it won't last for long and we will eventually go down as we have over the past 100 years or so. We will not have a cup final to remember and who can tell me who finished 8th over the past 10 years without googling.?.
Today was typical. Had the ball for about half an hour of the match and finished up with virtually all defensive midfielders on the pitch against a team who have not won all year.
It is ok in the scheme of things but hardly memorable.
Give me Ranieri or someone with style any day.
I appreciate I am now in a minority.
If every team played in the Pulis style football would be dead as a spectacle. We rely on other teams trying to play. Look at the Derby cup game when they sat back, we did not know what to do.
Hey ho. Happy that there is some more atmosphere in the ground.
If I was the owner and had ambition I would get someone else in who can improve our image and style.
And of course see Tone ok financially which I suspect is his main motivation despite all the waffle.
No, I just can't bring myself to like him !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 26, 2017, 08:53:50 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
Just appeared on my twitter feed... Haven't checked its veracity.
If true, shows the superb job TP is doing here.

Fantastic.

Ranieri, did the same last year, doesn't prove a thing.

We're having a good season, most of our players are on form, & the players & crowd are pulling in the same direction, enjoy it while we can.

Pulis has a reputation of grinding out results, at the moment, I couldn't think of a PL Manager (within reach) who I'd want to replace him.
At some stage the fans & the owners will want better performances in the domestic cups & a consistent top 10 position in the PL, if TP can't deliver that, he will be replaced.
I'm amazed John Williams has come out with the comments about TP's contract this week, unless it's to ward Leicester off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nocky on February 26, 2017, 09:08:55 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
Just appeared on my twitter feed... Haven't checked its veracity.
If true, shows the superb job TP is doing here.

 Chelsea have 38 points since the start of November.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on February 26, 2017, 09:12:04 AM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on February 26, 2017, 01:57:52 AM
No wind up. A baggie for many many years. Just not a believer in the Pulis style.Hated the games against Stoke over the years. We are not much better even now. If our only ambition is to finish 8th then it won't last for long and we will eventually go down as we have over the past 100 years or so. We will not have a cup final to remember and who can tell me who finished 8th over the past 10 years without googling.?.
Today was typical. Had the ball for about half an hour of the match and finished up with virtually all defensive midfielders on the pitch against a team who have not won all year.
It is ok in the scheme of things but hardly memorable.
Give me Ranieri or someone with style any day.
I appreciate I am now in a minority.
If every team played in the Pulis style football would be dead as a spectacle. We rely on other teams trying to play. Look at the Derby cup game when they sat back, we did not know what to do.
Hey ho. Happy that there is some more atmosphere in the ground.
If I was the owner and had ambition I would get someone else in who can improve our image and style.
And of course see Tone ok financially which I suspect is his main motivation despite all the waffle.
No, I just can't bring myself to like him !

Very harsh that!
Wonder who you'd replace him with?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 26, 2017, 10:09:40 AM
Tony Pulis, as a manager, lost me at Stoke. West Brom lost me as a spectator at the end of last season and that is why I comment less on the football on here.
Obviously results are improving and that can be seen in our position in the table; which as an armchair Albion supporter now, is great. The impression that I get from on here, supporters of other teams and the media however is that we are just getting more effective at Pulisball. Undoubtedly it is better than last season (not too difficult) and maybe it is as good as we can expect but it will never be my cup of tea.
West Germany won World Cups being ruthless. Brazil won World Cups being brilliant. I know which I prefer to pay to watch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 26, 2017, 10:23:43 AM
Quote from: AlbionBest on February 26, 2017, 09:12:04 AM
Very harsh that!
Wonder who you'd replace him with?
I always advocated Lucian Favre in the summer before he went to Nice, much better manager overall with a history of academy use and strong technical passing play.

But we stayed with Tony and ended up having a great season after a poor pulisball style start... Nice's is better but ours is great to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2017, 11:00:50 AM
It's an actual joke that people are still criticising Pulis this season. We are doing better than at any point in the Premier League.

All this talk about our ambition being to finish 8th and we will end up getting relegated. I can't believe that's from an Albion fan, my suspicion is that we have a Wolf among us. :D

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 26, 2017, 11:03:45 AM
The thing is while we still give the ball away cheap this thankfully is nothing like his Stoke side or the lazy Pulisball tag. Its not really like Palace either to be honest , don't get me wrong there is still plenty to work on but its a hell of a lot better to watch than previous years.
Bit of a swagger at times mixed with mental and physical toughness , its a pretty good combination.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on February 26, 2017, 11:05:42 AM
Regarding Pulis I never heard one Albion fan defending him when he was Stoke manager and we all said what opposition fans say now about 'rather go down than watch that every week' so we can't criticise people for saying it. I never joined in the discussion about Mark Hughes a few weeks ago when everyone was condemning him as football changes so fast and he might end up managing us then most ofnyou will all have to pretend to like him and he's a 'top guy'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 26, 2017, 11:08:56 AM
We are a better side now than when he came in.
I don't think we could have appointed a better manager, though at the time I must admit I didn't think so.
He said his aim is always to leave a club in a better situation than when he came in. At the moment that's true.
Whoever follows in his footsteps he's made it a hard act to follow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 26, 2017, 11:32:55 AM
In regards to the 'How do they watch that every week comments'.

They clearly dont watch us every week, our attacking play is fast, direct and devoid of the usual 15 passes sideways or backwards.

Vive la Baggies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 26, 2017, 11:54:50 AM
We have been better to watch in the past few months, but that was hardly difficult. We used to pride ourselves in having a bit of style, but that has gone now. This type of football is ok, but only if you actually win something. I do not see the attraction in being content to finish halfway. In all the sport I have ever played you are judged and remembered by success . Halfway is nothing. Have a look at the way various sports have had their funding cut due to lack of medal prospects. If that system applied in football we would not get a sniff. My point about relegation is that we will go down at some time in the future. Only a very few clubs are immune, the rest (including us) will have their spells in various divisions. We have always been relegated every so often, a good run from the 50s to the mid 70s about our longest spell in the top division. We won  the FA Cup twice and the league cup once in that spell and that is what we still base our history on. Trouble is that history is getting more and more distant. I just cannot see Pulis providing any more than we have now, which is ok, but will be forgotten in the future and will not add anything to our history.
Ranieri delivered the premier league title and champions league football. I would take that any day even if it meant relegation the following year. I think Leicester fans have had much more fun than we have. We last won the league in 1919, no one on here will have seen that!

   
   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2017, 12:18:45 PM
Give em a chance ffs. You've written them all off without even seeing what they can do.  We have clearly improved since Pulis took over so let's see where that takes us and get behind the tram rather than picking faults that we are only 8th.

And stop rolling out Leicester, they achieved the unthinkable, they were 5000-1 shots for a reason, not because everyone underestimated how good they were.  Leicester will not happen again in our life times.  And their football was no better than ours is now anyway, really loads possession, very direct.

I don't get where this 'right to win a trophy' comes from. Every club competing thinks they could win it. If you look at the last 15 years of competitors how many different winners do you think there are?  We aren't going to win the league any time soon unless something mental happens and we get a board thst will spend £500m+. There's no point getting on the teams back because we've not won the Premier League. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 26, 2017, 12:58:01 PM
I wouldn't have Ranieri at any price.

Flair players within a structure is fine, an unpredictable flair Manager - no thanks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on February 26, 2017, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2017, 11:15:45 PM

Woe is us. Third in that little graphic instead of top... Look at the other teams.


You're the last worthy bastion of anti Pulis on here. Time to fall on your sword?

Says it all really

Head in clouds much?  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 26, 2017, 01:29:01 PM
The likes off posters like VVV and maximus  are now minority posters who hav`n`t got a clue how TP now plays as he said himself he does`nt like tippy tap football and end up going nowhere he much prefere`s the counter attacking style, how those 2 posters can keep critisising the man for his Stoke and early Albion days are beyond me they just dislike the man .His style has changed wilh the players he has bought in we can now counter with pace and look dangerous every time we attack.If those fans got down to the shrine week in week out they would soon find out why at present we are the eighth best side in the Country instead of constantly critisising Bythe sound of it you could`nt have been at the Hawthorns  like thousands of us were during th e DARK days of GOULD BUCKLEY AND SAUNDERS NOW THOSE WERE DIER
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2017, 01:41:10 PM
Anyone who isnt enjoying this football I really dont know what too say

You want Mowbray football and winning the championship then fine you prefer lower league football, I love this style of football over possession based tippy tappy myself, counter attacking football at pace is the type of football I love and we are playing that

Some just dont want to like Pulis at any cost, they cant see that we are building a good side and want to criticise when there is not much to criticise about, as is a persons right.....but its not something I can subscribe too so will leave them to their critical ramblings.

We wanted a new owner who could help us invest better - we got it
We wanted a change in playing style - we go it
We wanted better players - we got them
We wanted rid of the deadwood and players that didnt want to be here - we got that
We didnt want to be in a relegation fight every year - we've changed that

Now it seems unless Pulis 'wins' something its irrelevant how we are playing or where we are in the league as it means nothing

You cant argue with or debate with people that literally do not like the manager whatever we do
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: eaststandbaggie on February 26, 2017, 01:54:21 PM
I remember those Dark days and bloody hell were they dark
If we got a corner there would mass excitement and euphoria
People raving about in the pub for a week
We were the only team in the league with 5 full backs
And 5,half backs
Thanks for reminding me I will start the psychology work all over again
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 26, 2017, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 26, 2017, 01:29:01 PM
The likes off posters like VVV and maximus  are now minority posters who hav`n`t got a clue how TP now plays as he said himself he does`nt like tippy tap football and end up going nowhere he much prefere`s the counter attacking style, how those 2 posters can keep critisising the man for his Stoke and early Albion days are beyond me they just dislike the man .His style has changed wilh the players he has bought in we can now counter with pace and look dangerous every time we attack.If those fans got down to the shrine week in week out they would soon find out why at present we are the eighth best side in the Country instead of constantly critisising Bythe sound of it you could`nt have been at the Hawthorns  like thousands of us were during th e DARK days of GOULD BUCKLEY AND SAUNDERS NOW THOSE WERE DIER
;D
It's funny because if you actually read my posts I'm generally quite complimentary about TP. He is very good at what he does, I just don't enjoy the product that he provides and clearly it is my loss  ;)

And actually the football might have been dire but following the Albion under Gould, Buckley and Saunders (actually,  maybe not Saunders  :-X) used to be fun. Less keyboard warriors telling you how to support your team  ;)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ian66 on February 26, 2017, 01:59:52 PM
Quote from: eaststandbaggie on February 26, 2017, 01:54:21 PM
I remember those Dark days and bloody hell were they dark
If we got a corner there would mass excitement and euphoria
People raving about in the pub for a week
We were the only team in the league with 5 full backs
And 5,half backs
Thanks for reminding me I will start the psychology work all over again
6,198 at The Hawthorns v Sunderland April 1987. Very dark days!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 26, 2017, 02:02:12 PM
I was anti-Pulis until the end of October when several things changed.  His negative approach changed (an ultimatum from the new owners once the deal formally went through?), the return of Brunt and Morrison which better equipped us to play like we are now, TP's contract extension and a realisation that after his Palace legal issue he had to get the fans onside or his job here would soon be gone as well?

Whatever the reason, I like the football that we are now playing.  It's exciting and we play it well.  I'd rather have 35% possession, create 10 chances and see us score 2 or 3 goals than have 60% possession and do nothing with it.  The statistics that really matter are what we do in their box and what they do in our box.  All else is interesting but barely relevant. It's a results business.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 26, 2017, 02:10:05 PM
Would prefer to watch Bournemouth's style of football than ours but our style is bringing in more points. we've definitely played a better brand of football than last season but would like us to improve our ball retention because its irritating watching the opposition knock the ball around with ease.
Pulis is doing a good job but wouldn't be overly concerned if he left. lets face it we've all seen them come and go and lots of us have celebrated victories under men like gould and saunders.
its possible to be happy with the way things are going without having to like the managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 26, 2017, 02:18:46 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 26, 2017, 01:41:10 PM
Anyone who isnt enjoying this football I really dont know what too say

You want Mowbray football and winning the championship then fine you prefer lower league football, I love this style of football over possession based tippy tappy myself, counter attacking football at pace is the type of football I love and we are playing that

Some just dont want to like Pulis at any cost, they cant see that we are building a good side and want to criticise when there is not much to criticise about, as is a persons right.....but its not something I can subscribe too so will leave them to their critical ramblings.

We wanted a new owner who could help us invest better - we got it
We wanted a change in playing style - we go it
We wanted better players - we got them
We wanted rid of the deadwood and players that didnt want to be here - we got that
We didnt want to be in a relegation fight every year - we've changed that

Now it seems unless Pulis 'wins' something its irrelevant how we are playing or where we are in the league as it means nothing

You cant argue with or debate with people that literally do not like the manager whatever we do
Too early to say yet if the new owners will invest better ,may be this summer will give us some indication. not sure if we need better or more as a small investment can reap rewards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 26, 2017, 02:56:43 PM
Agree with sentiments from Caravan, Overseas and VVV.
I agree about the dark days, but there was some fun to be had even then. I certainly don't think any club has a right to win things, but 50 years without anything is getting a bit much. Even Blues have won something!
Things did change from the Leicester away game, and maybe TP did get some form of ultimatum from within, because it is better than it was. I still wouldn't go to watch us away from home too often, as the tactics are generally too negative. I don't like time wasting as it is cheating the paying public.
TP is doing the job he was asked to do by JP, and he seems good at that. I am not sure he has the ability to move on, in which case we stagnate. I just don't see talented players coming here knowing they will spend most of their time chasing the ball rather than having it. Not an advocate of tippy tappy football, but like to see the team I support have the ball and be creative.
Good to have differing opinions, and am happy that a lot of supporters are enjoying things more. TP is just not my cup of tea, and so don't feel the desire to watch every game. I was there yesterday and it was ok. Seen a lot worse, but seen much much better (rose tinted glasses donned for Astle, Regis, Cunningham etc.)         
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
Wouldn't it be fair to complain about stagnation once we've, well, stagnated? We have made clear improvements.

I also reject this idea that our play has anything to do with ultimatums, TP thinking 'well I need the cash', it coincided with 2 simple things.

1) getting brunt and morrison back in.
2) some astute signings in the summer.

Chadli, Phillips and Nyom are all key members of the first team now.  Combine those with Brunt and Morrison coming back in that's nearly half your team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 26, 2017, 03:27:17 PM
No offence meant VVV but your not supporting your team you said your self you don`t go down any more. As for keyboard warrior why not i take in all home matches and a lot away so i enjoy talking about our side online
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 26, 2017, 03:38:51 PM
How is Raneiri style an upgrade on Pulis with thirty percent possession?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 26, 2017, 04:13:42 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on February 26, 2017, 03:38:51 PM
How is Raneiri style an upgrade on Pulis with thirty percent possession?

Total this. I remember last season getting similar possession stats to us but no one minds when you're winning.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 26, 2017, 05:30:34 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 26, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
Wouldn't it be fair to complain about stagnation once we've, well, stagnated? We have made clear improvements.

I also reject this idea that our play has anything to do with ultimatums, TP thinking 'well I need the cash', it coincided with 2 simple things.

1) getting brunt and morrison back in.
2) some astute signings in the summer.

Chadli, Phillips and Nyom are all key members of the first team now.  Combine those with Brunt and Morrison coming back in that's nearly half your team.
Agreed, the ultimatum bit is convenient speculation and being used as a way of explaining a Pulis team not conforming to type. I've mentioned it before, we played a pretty decent style for about a dozen games last year usually when we had Sess, Morrison and Brunt in the team. As you say once Morrison and Brunt were injured we struggled as we didn't have the likes of Chadli and Phillips around then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 26, 2017, 05:49:45 PM
The handbrake hasn't come off. No ultimata have been issued.


We simply signed better players in the summer and Brunt and Morrison were fit again. As a few on here said would happen...  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 26, 2017, 06:42:50 PM
We do seem to be playing a more intensive pressing game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 26, 2017, 07:17:39 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on February 26, 2017, 06:42:50 PM
We do seem to be playing a more intensive pressing game.

Superior fitness is also showing too. Thought we definitely had more in the tank than Bournemouth yesterday and in other games such as the Stoke match. Conceding less late goals because of this and seeing games out I think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2017, 07:34:37 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on February 26, 2017, 06:42:50 PM
We do seem to be playing a more intensive pressing game.

Yeah, it's interesting how we will sometimes drop back when we lose possession but if the circumstances allow we really press far forward sometimes.  Proper hunting them down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 26, 2017, 07:38:43 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on February 26, 2017, 07:17:39 PM
Superior fitness is also showing too. Thought we definitely had more in the tank than Bournemouth yesterday and in other games such as the Stoke match. Conceding less late goals because of this and seeing games out I think.
Spot on Brom!
 Build foundations.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 27, 2017, 07:40:02 AM
Pulis has done far better this year iv had a huge helping of humble pie he's built a good team and for the first time in ages there is good competition in the squad.

My niggling doubt is what beyond 40? We fizzled out terribley last year I hope it doesn't go the same way this year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 09:50:41 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 26, 2017, 05:49:45 PM
The handbrake hasn't come off. No ultimata have been issued.


We simply signed better players in the summer and Brunt and Morrison were fit again. As a few on here said would happen...  8)

We are getting better at Pulisball?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 27, 2017, 10:38:12 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 09:50:41 AM
We are getting better at Pulisball?

I'm not even sure what that means.  We don't currently play like Stoke did under Pulis and we're not playing like Palace did either, and nor are we playing like last season? 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 27, 2017, 10:39:01 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 09:50:41 AM
We are getting better at Pulisball?

if you would like to define Pulisball that would be great
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 27, 2017, 01:00:29 PM
People hated Pulis six months ago. Now he's the best thing since sliced bread. In another six months it could all change again.

As long as the results keep coming, the majority will back him. When they stop, the majority will be against him. So it will be with every manager.

I disagree with Pulis completely on how football should be played, and looking over the last couple of pages I know I'm not alone. It's just a shame that those of us who stick by our principles are derided for it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 27, 2017, 01:08:37 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on February 27, 2017, 01:00:29 PM
People hated Pulis six months ago. Now he's the best thing since sliced bread. In another six months it could all change again.

As long as the results keep coming, the majority will back him. When they stop, the majority will be against him. So it will be with every manager.

I disagree with Pulis completely on how football should be played, and looking over the last couple of pages I know I'm not alone. It's just a shame that those of us who stick by our principles are derided for it.

A lot of the people who hated him still do.

I had had enough of the football on show, that has changed, so have my feeling towards the type of football on offer now.

I dont see what principles have to do with anything in this matter....the football we are playing under him is completely different to what we saw before so what id like to know is what part of the football Pulis is giving us dont you agree with?? Is it the decent passing, fast paced counter attacking football, the great defending or the consolidated 8th place we currently find ourselves in.

People are being derided because they still use the term 'Pulisball' when in reality we are exciting to watch...yes that may all change in future it has with past managers and will with future ones.

There are many who cannot and will not eat humble pie regarding Pulis and thats pretty sad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 27, 2017, 01:19:06 PM
The commentators on Saturday talked very favourably about how good we are to watch and some of our passing was really easy on the eye. Reading some of the Bournemouth comments about how our attacks are lightening quick and much more effective than their tippy-tappy sideways passing.

What's frustrating is that people have asked for certain things (better quality football, more shots, more shots on target, more goals, better home performances, going at teams, good results, etc) and at the moment we're getting every single one of them yet it STILL isn't enough.

As it stands this is currently our most successful Premier League season and there's still moans!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 27, 2017, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 27, 2017, 01:08:37 PM
A lot of the people who hated him still do.

I had had enough of the football on show, that has changed, so have my feeling towards the type of football on offer now.

I dont see what principles have to do with anything in this matter....the football we are playing under him is completely different to what we saw before so what id like to know is what part of the football Pulis is giving us dont you agree with?? Is it the decent passing, fast paced counter attacking football, the great defending or the consolidated 8th place we currently find ourselves in.

People are being derided because they still use the term 'Pulisball' when in reality we are exciting to watch...yes that may all change in future it has with past managers and will with future ones.

There are many who cannot and will not eat humble pie regarding Pulis and thats pretty sad

To understand why people still regard this as Pulisball would be to understand that there are fundamental problems with the English game, and the British approach to football in general. To understand that no other league is like the Premier League for a very good reason. To understand that somebody like Pulis would never get a job, let alone one like this one, in any other country.

Or you could look at the fact our top scorer is a 37-year-old centre-half. Our possession in a home game against a team half our size was 32%. That our passing success rates are still poor. That most of our goals this season have carried a fair element of luck to them (deflections and such). That just because we're 8th, and have a successful game plan, doesn't mean that it's being achieved in the right way.

If you look at things objectively, you realise that a lot of the criticisms that opposing fans have of us are actually valid (and are indeed things we have said in the past about others).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 27, 2017, 01:43:56 PM
But you're not looking at it objectively, your post comes across very pretentious tbh.

So what if McAuley is joint top scorer.
So what if possession is low?
So what if you think some of our goals don't count because they were "lucky"?

How's our wins column?
Is it exciting to watch?
How are our goals shared around the team?
How many points do we have?
Has the squad improved?
Do we look like we're moving in the right direction?

If you think the football we're playing now and the football we were playing this time last year are the same, then you're not being objective, at all.  Labelling it "Pulisball" is just a really lazy accusation, I can understand other fans\pundits who don't see us play week in\week out, from actual fans, well, it's just a sign of a lack of objectivity - "it's Pulis, ergo I hate it"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 27, 2017, 01:53:34 PM
Pulis is also currently the highest placed English manager in the league so can't be doing too badly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on February 27, 2017, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on February 27, 2017, 01:53:34 PM
Pulis is also currently the highest placed English manager in the league so can't be doing too badly

Except he's Welsh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 27, 2017, 01:57:11 PM
Quote from: baggie53 on February 27, 2017, 01:54:42 PM
Except he's Welsh

:D:D:D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 27, 2017, 02:11:55 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on February 27, 2017, 01:21:17 PM
To understand why people still regard this as Pulisball would be to understand that there are fundamental problems with the English game, and the British approach to football in general. To understand that no other league is like the Premier League for a very good reason. To understand that somebody like Pulis would never get a job, let alone one like this one, in any other country.

Or you could look at the fact our top scorer is a 37-year-old centre-half. Our possession in a home game against a team half our size was 32%. That our passing success rates are still poor. That most of our goals this season have carried a fair element of luck to them (deflections and such). That just because we're 8th, and have a successful game plan, doesn't mean that it's being achieved in the right way.

If you look at things objectively, you realise that a lot of the criticisms that opposing fans have of us are actually valid (and are indeed things we have said in the past about others).

Im staggered...simply staggered

I have no comeback because im speechless, thats the biggest load of nonsense ive read on here EVER

Well done
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 27, 2017, 03:43:04 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on February 27, 2017, 01:00:29 PM
People hated Pulis six months ago. Now he's the best thing since sliced bread. In another six months it could all change again.

As long as the results keep coming, the majority will back him. When they stop, the majority will be against him. So it will be with every manager.

I disagree with Pulis completely on how football should be played, and looking over the last couple of pages I know I'm not alone. It's just a shame that those of us who stick by our principles are derided for it.
I didnt hate him 6 months ago , id had enough of the football on show though. That said i understood he took over an absolute mess and made a few errors himself but nobody gets it a 100% right.
I along with a few others on here( Black Pearl being one) said at the time things needed to improve and when i watch us play i can honestly say they have.
Nobody should be derided for their opinion but i will say theres a number of posters who beasted Pulis for everything wrong about the club up until November who have vanished from this forum.....i think balanced view is the correct phrase.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 27, 2017, 04:10:12 PM
Quote from: Dexy on February 27, 2017, 03:43:04 PM
I didnt hate him 6 months ago , id had enough of the football on show though. That said i understood he took over an absolute mess and made a few errors himself but nobody gets it a 100% right.
I along with a few others on here( Black Pearl being one) said at the time things needed to improve and when i watch us play i can honestly say they have.
Nobody should be derided for their opinion but i will say theres a number of posters who beasted Pulis for everything wrong about the club up until November who have vanished from this forum.....i think balanced view is the correct phrase.

Absolutely I stated things needed to improve, but, unlike some others, I had the patience to give TP time to do that, I appreciated what he had inherited, the football was poor for a period and did need to improve, but he was getting results and earned the right to time to improve.

He has done that, we are now a very decent counter attacking side, still room for improvement (particularly in cup competitions), but I am very content with the football being played and the direction we are travelling in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 27, 2017, 04:11:09 PM
I just fear the inevitable poor run when the knives will be back out rather sharpish.  Fortunately, Pulis never seems to go on that long a run of defeats, we pull a result out of somewhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on February 27, 2017, 04:16:04 PM
There will always be divided opinions, things never stay the same in football for long! TP was the right man at the right time for our club, it wasn't going to be pretty! A similar case to SGM imho
Now I think we should just enjoy the ride for the time being, it could be so much worse! #SOTV
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 27, 2017, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_swansea on February 27, 2017, 04:16:04 PM
There will always be divided opinions, things never stay the same in football for long! TP was the right man at the right time for our club, it wasn't going to be pretty! A similar case to SGM imho
Now I think we should just enjoy the ride for the time being, it could be so much worse! #SOTV

It don't get an awful lot better! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 27, 2017, 05:27:27 PM
The Knives should be out for those fans who still think Pulis is`nt doing a good job You only have to look where we were 2 years ago when he took over he steaded the ship and now has taken us to the top half of the Premiership there are three local clubs who would swap everything to be in our position This might sound critical of those so called fans but if they can`t see what a great job he he`s done then there at the wrong club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on February 27, 2017, 05:41:05 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 27, 2017, 05:27:27 PM
The Knives should be out for those fans who still think Pulis is`nt doing a good job You only have to look where we were 2 years ago when he took over he steaded the ship and now has taken us to the top half of the Premiership there are three local clubs who would swap everything to be in our position This might sound critical of those so called fans but if they can`t see what a great job he he`s done then there at the wrong club
Yep, lots of us on here have had to eat humble pie, and accept that he is a very good manager, myself included
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 05:50:14 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 27, 2017, 05:27:27 PM
The Knives should be out for those fans who still think Pulis is`nt doing a good job You only have to look where we were 2 years ago when he took over he steaded the ship and now has taken us to the top half of the Premiership there are three local clubs who would swap everything to be in our position This might sound critical of those so called fans but if they can`t see what a great job he he`s done then there at the wrong club

I don't get why the knives should be out for people who have a different opinion to you, & why those same people are only "so-called" fans & are also at the wrong club.

I happen to think that TP is doing a half decent job, but he's not Corberan, & if the board decided to replace him with a Manger with a better pedigree, I'd support the board.

Have you ever considered, that perhaps we're doing better than our three West Midland rivals because our previous owner chose his successor well, & we're not left with a series of egocentrists who have to interfere even though they know nothing about football.

IMO we're doing ok because the whole football club is doing ok, not just Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 27, 2017, 05:58:58 PM
I admire what he's doing, it'd be ignorant not to recognise he and others have moved us forward but there'll be no Valentines card till he wins anything  :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on February 27, 2017, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: baggie53 on February 27, 2017, 01:54:42 PM
Except he's Welsh

British  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 27, 2017, 06:07:53 PM
IMO we're doing ok because the whole football club is doing ok, not just Tony Pulis

the voice of logic,
1 stat I heard which made me sit up and take notice is since TP arrived only 8 of 25? first team players have been retained.
So in fairness he has cleared the rubbish out. Add to that,
He is getting better results.
The football is apparently improving.
He has kept the budget tight (little choice at B71 in fairness)

He will never be my cup of tea, but to not acknowledge his work is crass in my opinion and i have pilloried him in past.

My opinion has changed from "killing my club" to "not my cup of tea" progress indeed. Which really is all i can ask for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 27, 2017, 07:45:10 PM
So the opinion of some fans is that TP is doing a rubbish job it is utter and complete hogwash,they are just making excuses for not liking TP this is not about the club who are doing a fantastic job and had the forsite to appoint TP Its about the shortsighted fans who still believe that TP  isn`t doing a good job everyone who is anyone in football knows and say`s what a good job TP has done so if its good enough for them it is for me and thousands of other Baggie fans
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 27, 2017, 07:54:07 PM
"half decent", "ok".  ::)


The fact is he's doing superbly well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 27, 2017, 08:12:13 PM
The guy has done a brilliant job, don't get the football snobbery that fact is we've played some good stuff this season and the home form is excellent with goals aplenty. Best manager we've had in my lifetime, appreciate him cause the next manager might be a complete plonker who sends us down but he might like pretty passing football so will be alright for some.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 08:20:21 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 27, 2017, 07:54:07 PM
"half decent", "ok".  ::)


The fact is he's doing superbly well.

Let's put it this way, if he left tonight, I wouldn't contribute to a hearse parading round the Hawthorns containing a wreath saying "The death of football".

He's doing OK. The same OK when he had to set up not to lose, which if you recall, I supported.

You must have some very good inside information to state categorically there were no ultimatums. It seems to me there was a very definite shift following the summer hiatus between Pulis & John Williams, despite what's being said at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 27, 2017, 08:25:55 PM
"IMO we're doing ok because the whole football club is doing ok, not just Tony Pulis."

The club has been doing things the right way for years.
The difference is we now have a manager capable of keeping us up and improving us apart from Roy the others had us looking at the drop.
Steve Clarke did a good job inheriting Roy's set up but that came to an end the following season.As we reverted to fighting relegation.
Pulis is a master at his craft we are very fortunate to have him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 27, 2017, 08:32:10 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 08:20:21 PM
Let's put it this way, if he left tonight, I wouldn't contribute to a hearse parading round the Hawthorns containing a wreath saying "The death of football".

He's doing OK. The same OK when he had to set up not to lose, which if you recall, I supported.

You must have some very good inside information to state categorically there were no ultimatums. It seems to me there was a very definite shift following the summer hiatus between Pulis & John Williams, despite what's being said at the moment.

Don't see it myself, clear evolution as he got in the players he wanted.

Best League position for 35 years, doesn't get much better, if he can not get the support of the fans now, it's really not TP with the style issues.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on February 27, 2017, 08:48:24 PM
The Black Pearl - We have scored the most goal from set plays in the League, says a lot, ok it proves we are strong in this department, but he made his name from the same tactics at Stoke. He likes the workers and big men, were never going to see stylish attacking play at the Hawthorns under him. #Fact
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 27, 2017, 08:32:10 PM
Don't see it myself, clear evolution as he got in the players he wanted.

Best League position for 35 years, doesn't get much better, if he can not get the support of the fans now, it's really not TP with the style issues.


This would suggest otherwise

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=18923.475 (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=18923.475)


If you care to have a look at the match reports on the os, there is a stats tab that suggests our style hasn't dramatically changed. It's a results business, always will be. Pulis is a top man because we're winning. If we go through a losing streak, which we inevitably will, he won't be a top man any more
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on February 27, 2017, 08:52:06 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 08:50:02 PM

This would suggest otherwise

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=18923.475 (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=18923.475)


If you care to have a look at the match reports on the os, there is a stats tab that suggests our style hasn't dramatically changed. It's a results business, always will be. Pulis is a top man because we're winning. If we go through a losing streak, which we inevitably will, he won't be a top man any more

BaggieJohn - couldn't have said it better mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 08:53:35 PM


Now I'm worried :)

TBH I've got a lot of time for the bloke, but he's not Corberan, & he's definitely not been a good tournament football manger for us. Our record in the domestic cup competitions has been really poor during his tenure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 27, 2017, 09:07:34 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 08:53:35 PM

Now I'm worried :)

TBH I've got a lot of time for the bloke, but he's not Corberan, & he's definitely not been a good tournament football manger for us. Our record in the domestic cup competitions has been really poor during his tenure.

You should be, he PM's you if he doesn't agree with you. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 27, 2017, 09:09:17 PM
Stats mean jack s**t we are a much better side than any time last season  we can now counter teams with pace and are scoring goals and not just from set pieces. Don`t know who some poster`s have been watching  [thats if thev`e  been to the matches ] but it`s certainly not the same Albion I have
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 27, 2017, 09:09:50 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 08:50:02 PM

This would suggest otherwise

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=18923.475 (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=18923.475)


If you care to have a look at the match reports on the os, there is a stats tab that suggests our style hasn't dramatically changed. It's a results business, always will be. Pulis is a top man because we're winning. If we go through a losing streak, which we inevitably will, he won't be a top man any more

Sorry, I see nothing there to suggest anything contrary to what I stated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 27, 2017, 09:12:06 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 08:20:21 PM
Let's put it this way, if he left tonight, I wouldn't contribute to a hearse parading round the Hawthorns containing a wreath saying "The death of football".

He's doing OK. The same OK when he had to set up not to lose, which if you recall, I supported.

You must have some very good inside information to state categorically there were no ultimatums. It seems to me there was a very definite shift following the summer hiatus between Pulis & John Williams, despite what's being said at the moment.
We played decent enough football for about a dozen games last season (sick of saying that) and that was before John Williams was even thought of. We finished last season with Sess as possibly the only player you'd class as a clever footballer ( in the absence of injured Brunt and Morrison). This year we add Chadli, Phillips...then Brunt and Morrison come back ...lo and behold TP has more to work with and we play better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 27, 2017, 09:09:17 PM
Stats mean jack s**t we are a much better side than any time last season  we can now counter teams with pace and are scoring goals and not just from set pieces. Don`t know who some poster`s have been watching  [thats if thev`e  been to the matches ] but it`s certainly not the same Albion I have
You know the league table is just stats  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 09:16:12 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 27, 2017, 09:09:50 PM
Sorry, I see nothing there to suggest anything contrary to what I stated.

Isn't there a huge majority that said they don't go to matches because of TP's style.

Yet now we're winning games the crowds are returning, but the styles not changed that much.

It's just we now have a back 4 that can all hit an accurate long pass, isn't that why we've got a 66 page topic on Salomon Rondon?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 27, 2017, 09:22:37 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 09:16:12 PM
Isn't there a huge majority that said they don't go to matches because of TP's style.

Yet now we're winning games the crowds are returning, but the styles not changed that much.

It's just we now have a back 4 that can all hit an accurate long pass, isn't that why we've got a 66 page topic on Salomon Rondon?

156 people is a majority on here, but not in the real world.

As has been said, the return of Morrison and Brunt and the signing of Phillips, Chadli and Nyom has made a big difference, we could of course go toe to toe with teams and try to get our possession stats up to please the purists and enjoy another relegation battle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 09:25:16 PM
Quote from: Adder on February 27, 2017, 09:12:06 PM
We played decent enough football for about a dozen games last season (sick of saying that) and that was before John Williams was even thought of. We finished last season with Sess as possibly the only player you'd class as a clever footballer ( in the absence of injured Brunt and Morrison). This year we add Chadli, Phillips...then Brunt and Morrison come back ...lo and behold TP has more to work with and we play better.

Wouldn't disagree, but before the change of ownership, TP's brief was to keep us up, 2016/17 brief was a top 10 finish & a good go at the domestic cups.

(It's in the Albion Assembly Minutes if you want to see the quote). That change in brief requires a more expansive style.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 09:27:51 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 27, 2017, 09:22:37 PM
156 people is a majority on here, but not in the real world.

As has been said, the return of Morrison and Brunt and the signing of Phillips, Chadli and Nyom has made a big difference, we could of course go toe to toe with teams and try to get our possession stats up to please the purists and enjoy another relegation battle.

So are you saying the 156 majority on here are wrong, & don't live in the real world?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 27, 2017, 09:31:06 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 09:27:51 PM
So are you saying the 156 majority on here are wrong, & don't live in the real world?

Nothing like spinning TBP words out of context is there?

You're better than that, John.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 09:44:42 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on February 27, 2017, 09:31:06 PM
Nothing like spinning TBP words out of context is there?

You're better than that, John.

Not my words Liam, I didn't use not in the real world.

In fact I'd even say, it was the real world. Fans were on phone-ins saying they didn't go because of style.

There were only a very few on here, led by Jacko, who said that crowds would return when the results became positive, & so it's turned out.

The styles not changed that much, it's effectiveness has.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 27, 2017, 09:51:42 PM
I think the style has changed dramatically, certainly from what Ive seen this season



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 09:56:45 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 27, 2017, 09:51:42 PM
I think the style has changed dramatically, certainly from what Ive seen this season

We still play a lot of long passes Tom, but now Jonas is not in the side, they find their man more readily.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 27, 2017, 09:58:28 PM
we also play some great football through our wide men.

We are not a long ball side, we are a counter attacking team. That could be a long ball but mainly this season its come from our wing play
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 27, 2017, 10:01:00 PM
looking at the Rondon thread, apparently he doesnt win many aerial challenges so I doubt that long ball is the type of football to suit him so why are we apparently playing it?


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 27, 2017, 09:30:12 PM
the league table also shows what position we are in 8 th when i last looked OK for that clever dick possession stats mean jack s**t  ;)
8)
All the stats (which mean nothing  ::)) show that we are getting more efficient at Pulisball. We still have little possession, a lack of passing, a lack of succesful passing, high percentage of long balls to the lone striker, a lack of shots, a lack of shots on target, but equally more goals and more points. In some respects the stats don't back up our league position, so Pulis should be applauded for that and creating a winning (not losing  :P) mentality. 

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/total_scoring_att


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 10:07:44 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 27, 2017, 09:58:28 PM
we also play some great football through our wide men.

We are not a long ball side, we are a counter attacking team. That could be a long ball but mainly this season its come from our wing play

Three goals on the counter attack?

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/goal_fastbreak
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 10:03:46 PM
8)
All the stats (which mean nothing  ::)) show that we are getting more efficient at Pulisball. We still have little possession, a lack of passing, a lack of succesful passing, high percentage of long balls to the lone striker, a lack of shots, a lack of shots on target, but equally more goals and more points. In some respects the stats don't back up our league position, so Pulis should be applauded for that and creating a winning (not losing  :P) mentality. 

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/total_scoring_att

Just looking at something similar, which somebody on here pointed me to.

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/6335/Stages/13796/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2016-2017 (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/6335/Stages/13796/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2016-2017)


Wouldn't say we have a lack of passing, but we don't play the short pass very often.

I agree with you, we're just getting very effective at what we do, but the style hasn't changed that much
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 10:32:50 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 10:11:25 PM
Just looking at something similar, which somebody on here pointed me to.

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/6335/Stages/13796/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2016-2017 (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/6335/Stages/13796/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2016-2017)


Wouldn't say we have a lack of passing, but we don't play the short pass very often.

I agree with you, we're just getting very effective at what we do, but the style hasn't changed that much

Ranked 20th according to the Premier League website.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/total_pass
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 27, 2017, 10:33:20 PM
If we played Chadli, Morrison, Phillips as the 3 behind Rondon for a full season we would get 20 + goals total from the 3 of them, and numerous assists. Long pass, short pass does it matter ? It's not endless hoof ball, what is Pulisball anyway ?....we are most definitely NOT playing Stoke-style Pulisball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 27, 2017, 10:35:31 PM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on February 27, 2017, 08:48:24 PM
The Black Pearl - We have scored the most goal from set plays in the League, says a lot, ok it proves we are strong in this department, but he made his name from the same tactics at Stoke. He likes the workers and big men, were never going to see stylish attacking play at the Hawthorns under him. #Fact

How come you've scored more home goals than Man United and Man City then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 27, 2017, 10:55:57 PM
LIKES HIS STATS DOES VVV 3 goals on counter attack`s what he doesn`t say is that we are joint second in those stats and we also score a lot of goals from open play. Who cares how much possession we have its what you do with that possession as Leicester proved last season and tonight .  What the hell is pulisball we very rarely hit long hopeful balls from the back we hit Diaganal balls for our wingers or fullbacks to utilise things have changed since  the clayheads had TP
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 11:00:05 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on February 27, 2017, 10:35:31 PM
How come you've scored more home goals than Man United and Man City then?
And as if by magic, the Stokie appears  :D

Stats mean jack don't you know  ;D

Could teams be going to Manchester and "parking the bus" and are the goals at the Hawthorns from stylish attacking football?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 27, 2017, 11:05:01 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 11:00:05 PM
And as if by magic, the Stokie appears  :D

Stats mean jack don't you know  ;D

Could teams be going to Manchester and "parking the bus" and are the goals at the Hawthorns from stylish attacking football?


I do marvel at your posting style, you'll even occasionally come down on both sides of a discussion within a few pages just to be as antagonistic as possible, it's fascinating.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 11:05:50 PM
Quote from: wba13 on February 27, 2017, 10:55:57 PM
LIKES HIS STATS DOES VVV 3 goals on counter attack`s what he doesn`t say is that we are joint second in those stats and we also score a lot of goals from open play. Who cares how much possession we have its what you do with that possession as Leicester proved last season and tonight .  What the hell is pulisball we very rarely hit long hopeful balls from the back we hit Diaganal balls for our wingers or fullbacks to utilise things have changed since  the clayheads had TP

Arguably joint third  ;)

The point is if we are claiming to be a great counter attacking side, three goals isn't that great.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 11:08:13 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 27, 2017, 11:05:01 PM

I do marvel at your posting style, you'll even occasionally come down on both sides of a discussion within a few pages just to be as antagonistic as possible, it's fascinating.
I  enjoy yours too; where you accept only your own opinion and are condescending towards others who offer one.   :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on February 27, 2017, 10:01:00 PM
looking at the Rondon thread, apparently he doesnt win many aerial challenges so I doubt that long ball is the type of football to suit him so why are we apparently playing it?

Don't believe what you read on the Rondon thread, he wins loads of aerial challenges, he just didn't have a great day on Saturday. Rondon is a great target man & gives us an outlet for the long pass.
IMO we'd have to have a pretty significant style change to accommodate Hal Robson-Kanu.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 11:20:30 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 27, 2017, 11:05:01 PM

I do marvel at your posting style, you'll even occasionally come down on both sides of a discussion within a few pages just to be as antagonistic as possible, it's fascinating.
And I apologise if the sarcasm about stats didn't come across to you.

In answer to Stokies question, to make it clear, I asked the questions do teams come to the Hawthorns with the sole purpose in stopping us from scoring like many do (including us and quite legitimately so) when they travel to Manchester (Hence the difference in number of goals scored)?
Does the number of goals scored mean that we (you!) are necessarily seeing  "stylish attacking play"?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on February 28, 2017, 12:05:49 AM
It is a fair point about how teams approach away games. We still rely on teams attacking us at home. we certainly don't do that on our travels.
Our style is a bit better, but nowhere near what you would call entertaining. The majority of our goals are from set pieces, our counter attacking generally involves Rondon running on his own with very little support. I can only think of a handful of goals scored on the counter attack, and they were at home! (possibly Leicester away being the exception)
We are generally last on MOTD, rarely get a sniff at goal of the month, and there is good reason for that, we are not entertaining.
Pulis apparently feels he is pigeon holed as a sort of Red Adair character who keeps teams up, but plays awful football. You generally get pigeon holed for a reason, and, Pulis is pigeon holed because that is exactly what he has been doing all his managerial career.
We are getting results, and the home games are just about bearable, but we are viewed by the media as a functional team who grind out results.Interesting to see how we approach games now we have reached his 40 points holy grail (ludicrous anyway, as I think it has only been needed once in the history of the Premier League).
I would back him if I felt he had the talent to move us on, I just don't think he has. Stoke fans got fed up eventually.         
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on February 28, 2017, 03:00:12 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2017, 11:00:05 PM
And as if by magic, the Stokie appears  :D

Stats mean jack don't you know  ;D

Could teams be going to Manchester and "parking the bus" and are the goals at the Hawthorns from stylish attacking football?

So any team that score less at home than West Brom are not playing attacking football?

Because we are currently 6th in the league at home goals. If you take out the Big 6, West Brom is 2nd in goal scored at home. So you think all the team behinds us also play dreary football?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 28, 2017, 06:24:16 AM
The anti Pulis mob just sound like Bonnie Langford in Just William if they can not get their own way, they will sqweam and sqweam and sqweam until they do!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3OO42dKxfY
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 28, 2017, 07:43:16 AM
Quote from: DivinePast on February 28, 2017, 03:00:12 AM
So any team that score less at home than West Brom are not playing attacking football?

Because we are currently 6th in the league at home goals. If you take out the Big 6, West Brom is 2nd in goal scored at home. So you think all the team behinds us also play dreary football?

No   :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 28, 2017, 07:47:20 AM
Quote from: wba13 on February 27, 2017, 10:55:57 PM
LIKES HIS STATS DOES VVV 3 goals on counter attack`s what he doesn`t say is that we are joint second in those stats and we also score a lot of goals from open play. Who cares how much possession we have its what you do with that possession as Leicester proved last season and tonight .  What the hell is pulisball we very rarely hit long hopeful balls from the back we hit Diaganal balls for our wingers or fullbacks to utilise things have changed since  the clayheads had TP

Once in a lifetime, thousand to one chance, Leicester quite rightly deserved the plaudits for managing to win the Premier League last season playing the way they did. Still cost Ranieri his job last week though. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 28, 2017, 08:16:53 AM
I'm not sure why we have to take the simplistic pro or anti Pulis stance?

For me, he's done a decent job of establishing us as a Premier League team, but no better job that two or three other Managers of a similar style could have done.

I didn't think he'd be able to adapt, but following the brief from the new owners of a top 10 finish & a decent go at the domestic cups last September, he seems to have done. (Well some of it at least).

As I've said before, I don't particularly like the bloke, but credit where it's due, he's done a decent job for us so far. On the other hand, you would think that ambitious new owners would want more than a top 10 finish, & to get that I think Pulis will need to be replaced.

Whether or not you accept stats, they do show that we play more long balls than most other teams, but that's how were set up, with Rondon as a target man, & bringing the mid field into play. The style is effective, I don't knock it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 28, 2017, 09:05:09 AM
Seriously?  Is this where the complaints have got to now?  Last on MOTD and we don't often see ourselves in the goal of the month competition?  Give me strength.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2017, 10:04:43 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 28, 2017, 08:16:53 AM
I'm not sure why we have to take the simplistic pro or anti Pulis stance?

For me, he's done a decent job of establishing us as a Premier League team, but no better job that two or three other Managers of a similar style could have done.

I didn't think he'd be able to adapt, but following the brief from the new owners of a top 10 finish & a decent go at the domestic cups last September, he seems to have done. (Well some of it at least).

As I've said before, I don't particularly like the bloke, but credit where it's due, he's done a decent job for us so far. On the other hand, you would think that ambitious new owners would want more than a top 10 finish, & to get that I think Pulis will need to be replaced.

Whether or not you accept stats, they do show that we play more long balls than most other teams, but that's how were set up, with Rondon as a target man, & bringing the mid field into play. The style is effective, I don't knock it.


I'd like to see you name them because in my opinion any other managerial appointment would have seen us relegated in the Irvine season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on February 28, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
Even though I was massively anti Irvine and how he got the job is still a mystery to everyone but we were never in the relegation zone with him in charge or when he was sacked so can't really say we would definitely have gone down with him or with anyone except Pulis.... even though I think we would have been very close. And before you reach for the keyboard I don't want Irvine back and yes Pulis is doing a far better job than he ever could have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 28, 2017, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on February 28, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
Even though I was massively anti Irvine and how he got the job is still a mystery to everyone but we were never in the relegation zone with him in charge or when he was sacked so can't really say we would definitely have gone down with him or with anyone except Pulis.... even though I think we would have been very close. And before you reach for the keyboard I don't want Irvine back and yes Pulis is doing a far better job than he ever could have.

Yeah, to be fair we'll never know.  It didn't look good though!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2017, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on February 28, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
Even though I was massively anti Irvine and how he got the job is still a mystery to everyone but we were never in the relegation zone with him in charge or when he was sacked so can't really say we would definitely have gone down with him or with anyone except Pulis.... even though I think we would have been very close. And before you reach for the keyboard I don't want Irvine back and yes Pulis is doing a far better job than he ever could have.


Disagree mate, when he was sacked we had 17 points from 19 matches and were a point above the bottom 3. Extrapolate that out and you get 34 points. Which would not have been enough. We had taken just 4 points from the previous 27 available. The squad was garbage aside from Foster Brunt Morrison McAuley Yacob (who wasn't being picked) and Berahino.


We were only going one way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 28, 2017, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2017, 10:04:43 AM

I'd like to see you name them because in my opinion any other managerial appointment would have seen us relegated in the Irvine season.

I think Sam Alladyce & Mark Hughes would both have took us to where we are now, one of the main reasons we ended up with Pulis was he was available.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: buzzingbaggie on February 28, 2017, 01:09:40 PM
You mean Hughes who has a similar club in Stoke but only more money and currently sitting in 8 points behind us! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 28, 2017, 01:19:59 PM
Alladyce the manager who has never won anything and plays has a reputation for poor football?  That one?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 28, 2017, 01:35:23 PM
It's all about opinions, football's not an exact science, but Alladyce & Hughes both have a reputation for taking the same scientific approach to games that Pulis does, so you'd expect that given the same set of circumstances that Pulis had, they would both have come up with similar results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 28, 2017, 01:44:48 PM
It is about opinions, fair enough.  I think Hughes would not have done as good a job, he's taking Stoke backwards at a rate of knots.  Allardyce, same really, not seen much that makes me think he'd have taken what we had and turned it into a top half team.

I was more amused about your complaints regarding the style of football then the managers you think that could have turned us around play in an equally, if not worse manner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on February 28, 2017, 01:45:36 PM
Is this the same Hughes who the Stoke fans said played a better brand of football to TP my how the tide has turned and we even got him to pay 12 mill + add ons for you know who. As for maximus dont think he has watched the Albion this season because even Garth  Crooks and Stan the dogger Colyiwobbles have praised us for our Attacking play
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 28, 2017, 02:20:40 PM
I can only speak from my own experience and this is how I see it:

At the end of last season and beginning of this, we were awful to watch, I couldn't bear it to be honest, regardless of result. That was what I would call typical Pulisball of defending deep and punting the ball forward, creating very little.

The latter part of this season, we have started to play far more attractive football. Yes, possession stats are still low, but chances created and goals scored are up, which are what get me up and out of my seat. As for set pieces, what's wrong with being good at them? Let's face it this is where we get the biggest sense of anticipation and excitement. Every corner gets a round of "Come on you Baggies" so I'm glad we knock the odd one in, just builds the anticipation for the next one. So, yes, definite improvement. Will it be enough if we hit a bad patch? Who knows, but for now I'm happy with the way we are heading.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 28, 2017, 02:59:21 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 28, 2017, 01:44:48 PM
It is about opinions, fair enough.  I think Hughes would not have done as good a job, he's taking Stoke backwards at a rate of knots.  Allardyce, same really, not seen much that makes me think he'd have taken what we had and turned it into a top half team.

I was more amused about your complaints regarding the style of football then the managers you think that could have turned us around play in an equally, if not worse manner.

I'm not sure I'm actually complaining about Pulis's style of football, in fact I'm not sure I ever have. For me it's the results that count, not how you get them.

What I am saying, is that Pulis is limited & not Corberan, & when it suits the club, or him, there will be a parting of the ways. When that happens, hopefully, the club with make a higher grade appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 28, 2017, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 28, 2017, 02:59:21 PM
I'm not sure I'm actually complaining about Pulis's style of football, in fact I'm not sure I ever have. For me it's the results that count, not how you get them.

What I am saying, is that Pulis is limited & not Corberan, & when it suits the club, or him, there will be a parting of the ways. When that happens, hopefully, the club with make a higher grade appointment.

That may occur, but if it does it will be because of the solid footing Pulis has put us in, best manager for our club since Ron Atkinson.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 28, 2017, 03:59:15 PM
Im still trying to process a previous posters comment that we are not entertaining  :-X

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on February 28, 2017, 05:36:14 PM
Be careful criticising Allerdyce and Hughes management skills... who knows they might manage us one day soon and you will all have to pretend to like them like with Pulis who if a poll was taken on who fans would like to manage us around 2010ish he would have had 0% votes. Don't we just love fickle fans (and I'm one!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 28, 2017, 05:40:55 PM
The reminding me that Irvine was our manager is giving me heart palputations, much like his appointment did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on February 28, 2017, 05:41:40 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 28, 2017, 05:40:55 PM
The reminding me that Irvine was our manager is giving me heart palputations, much like his appointment did.

Alan Irvine, what a guy.  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 28, 2017, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 28, 2017, 03:23:34 PM
That may occur, but if it does it will be because of the solid footing Pulis has put us in, best manager for our club since Ron Atkinson.
I agree but didn't realise that we've had 11 managers who've got a better points per match ratio than Pulis since Atkinson. Not advocating those 11 were better because level of league has be taken into consideration.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on February 28, 2017, 05:58:32 PM
Give me pulisball (which has become very entertaining imo) and top 10 finishes over tippy tappy football and saft points being dropped and having to worry about surviving in the league any day.

You cant have your cake and eat it when your not a big club and have the resources we do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 28, 2017, 06:11:47 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on February 28, 2017, 05:44:21 PM
I agree but didn't realise that we've had 11 managers who've got a better points per match ratio than Pulis since Atkinson. Not advocating those 11 were better because level of league has be taken into consideration.

Maybe true, but, as you say, in lower divisions so not comparable, even Gary Megson struggled at the highest level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on February 28, 2017, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on February 28, 2017, 03:23:34 PM
That may occur, but if it does it will be because of the solid footing Pulis has put us in, best manager for our club since Ron Atkinson.

Really ? What Megson did was unbelievable
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 28, 2017, 07:14:47 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on February 28, 2017, 01:35:23 PM
It's all about opinions, football's not an exact science, but Alladyce & Hughes both have a reputation for taking the same scientific approach to games that Pulis does, so you'd expect that given the same set of circumstances that Pulis had, they would both have come up with similar results.
They don't have the "Nouse" John just my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 28, 2017, 07:22:20 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on February 28, 2017, 05:36:14 PM
Be careful criticising Allerdyce and Hughes management skills... who knows they might manage us one day soon and you will all have to pretend to like them like with Pulis who if a poll was taken on who fans would like to manage us around 2010ish he would have had 0% votes. Don't we just love fickle fans (and I'm one!)
He would have got my vote. Wanted him in for years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 28, 2017, 08:16:30 PM
Quote from: kirk on February 28, 2017, 06:55:46 PM
Really ? What Megson did was unbelievable

But at two clubs in the Premier League he was either relegated or in a relegation fight, did a fantastic job for us but his CV is vastly inferior to TP's
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 28, 2017, 10:54:34 PM
This thread is tiresome

Bickering on both sides

Why can't we accept the middle ground and acknowledge the vast improvements we have made?

Instead, we're still arguing over possession and whether we're a counter attacking team or not.

I find it baffling.

If you're not happy with how things currently are - then face it - you never will be.

This is as good as it gets
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 01, 2017, 12:00:53 AM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on February 28, 2017, 10:54:34 PM
This thread is tiresome

Bickering on both sides

Why can't we accept the middle ground and acknowledge the vast improvements we have made?

Instead, we're still arguing over possession and whether we're a counter attacking team or not.

I find it baffling.

If you're not happy with how things currently are - then face it - you never will be.

This is as good as it gets


But come on Liam, we'll never reach the imaginary next level without a more progressive coach...


 ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 01, 2017, 07:54:34 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 01, 2017, 12:00:53 AM

But come on Liam, we'll never reach the imaginary next level without a more progressive coach...


 ;D

Why is the next level "imaginary"?
To me the next level we can realistically achieve is to be consistently in the top 10 once we have done that for say 3 seasons then the next level from that would be to add good solid Cup runs. I don't think either of those things are imaginary. I also think both are achievable with Pulis in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 01, 2017, 09:17:38 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on March 01, 2017, 07:54:34 AM
Why is the next level "imaginary"?
To me the next level we can realistically achieve is to be consistently in the top 10 once we have done that for say 3 seasons then the next level from that would be to add good solid Cup runs. I don't think either of those things are imaginary. I also think both are achievable with Pulis in charge.

Totally agree with this.  We have to be careful this season isn't a fluke of some sort and that we cement ourselves as a top 10 side.  Doing it repeatedly for a few seasons would show we've acheived that.  Even if we finish 8th this year and 9th next year I would still take that as progress.  It might not be a better league finishing position but it is showing that we can sustain what we're doing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 01, 2017, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on March 01, 2017, 07:54:34 AM
Why is the next level "imaginary"?
To me the next level we can realistically achieve is to be consistently in the top 10 once we have done that for say 3 seasons then the next level from that would be to add good solid Cup runs. I don't think either of those things are imaginary. I also think both are achievable with Pulis in charge.


We're in agreement. The realistic next level of doing what we've done this season but with a bit of cup success is achievable with Pulis.


The pie in the sky next level of challenge the top 6 is not achievable with any manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on March 01, 2017, 11:22:25 AM
Quote from: wba13 on February 26, 2017, 03:27:17 PM
No offence meant VVV but your not supporting your team you said your self you don`t go down any more. As for keyboard warrior why not i take in all home matches and a lot away so i enjoy talking about our side online

If VVV had his way Irvine would still be in charge  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on March 01, 2017, 12:31:20 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 01, 2017, 10:17:10 AM

We're in agreement. The realistic next level of doing what we've done this season but with a bit of cup success is achievable with Pulis.


The pie in the sky next level of challenge the top 6 is not achievable with any manager.
I wouldnt say a bit of cup success would  count as the "next level". So much depends on the draw, and you need a bit of luck along the way. Agreed, it would be very nice, especially next season which would be the 50th anniversary of us actually winning anything. Also 3 or 4 top ten finishes also wouldnt count as the "next level". It would just mean that we have consolidated the level we are at just now. No, the only thing that would count as the "next level" would be to finish in the top 6, which is, as you say, pie in the sky.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on March 01, 2017, 05:36:13 PM
Leicester probably thought it was pie in the sky too, but they did it. Not keen on having limited ambitions. We have never been a club that is always near the top, but nothing to stop us being there occasionally. If you don't try you don't succeed. Things change every season, and every club is looking to progress, so we can never say we are established at any level.
Whilst the going is reasonably good, why not reach as far as you can? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on March 01, 2017, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on March 01, 2017, 05:36:13 PM
Leicester probably thought it was pie in the sky too, but they did it. Not keen on having limited ambitions. We have never been a club that is always near the top, but nothing to stop us being there occasionally. If you don't try you don't succeed. Things change every season, and every club is looking to progress, so we can never say we are established at any level.
Whilst the going is reasonably good, why not reach as far as you can?

Grass is very rarely greener in football, and after the pooh i grew up watching in the 90s, if we can stay in or about where we are now, il be a very happy baggie.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 01, 2017, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on March 01, 2017, 05:36:13 PM
Leicester probably thought it was pie in the sky too, but they did it. Not keen on having limited ambitions. We have never been a club that is always near the top, but nothing to stop us being there occasionally. If you don't try you don't succeed. Things change every season, and every club is looking to progress, so we can never say we are established at any level.
Whilst the going is reasonably good, why not reach as far as you can?

Yeah, but you have to be realistic.  We want to win every game, we're probably not going to though.

I really wish people would stop using Leicester though.  They were a 5000-1 shot, that is never going to happen again in our lifetimes.  What they did is probably the greatest sporting miracle - you can't judge your self by that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 01, 2017, 06:40:37 PM
Quote from: section5 on March 01, 2017, 11:22:25 AM
If VVV had his way Irvine would still be in charge  ;)
Really? That's why I agreed that the right thing to do was sack him  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on March 02, 2017, 12:37:36 AM
I can understand people who have grown up in the latter years being more content with our situation now. One of the few benefits of being amongst the older crew is the experience of watching the  60s and 70s teams which were exciting. I gather the 50s were too, and in earlier decades we have popped up to win something or get close.
Frustration is knowing that we may never win anything again. Stats are more prevalent, getting to 40 or 50 points or whatever. It does nothing for me, but it is part of the modern game.
Leicester may have been a freak outcome , but they did it, and it could easily happen again. The top six is not a closed shop, as each season will be different. I think teams like Norwich, Ipswich, Wimbledon, QPR, Bolton have all finished in the top six in the premier league era, so I see no reason why we should not strive to do that. Statistics would suggest  we will get relegated again within the next five to ten years, I would prefer to see us not setting glass ceilings.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 02, 2017, 07:27:55 AM
The odds on a team doing another Leicester and winning the league are extremely long, but the odds of scraping into the top 5 and getting a Champions League place must by definition be considerably shorter.  That has to be a more realistic target for a club like ours - 65 points rather than 85 points.  In some years it won't be enough, but very clearly 65 points is far more achievable than 85 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 02, 2017, 09:12:46 AM
Quote from: timdon on March 01, 2017, 12:31:20 PM
I wouldnt say a bit of cup success would  count as the "next level". So much depends on the draw, and you need a bit of luck along the way. Agreed, it would be very nice, especially next season which would be the 50th anniversary of us actually winning anything. Also 3 or 4 top ten finishes also wouldnt count as the "next level". It would just mean that we have consolidated the level we are at just now. No, the only thing that would count as the "next level" would be to finish in the top 6, which is, as you say, pie in the sky.

I get what you are saying but for the last few seasons we have been a lower half side with 1 decent cup run. I think that being a solid top 10 side for the next 3 seasons+ and then adding to that with good solid cup runs is a step up from where we are now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 02, 2017, 10:08:37 AM
All you can ask for is continued progress.

The first season of Pulis (when he came in at Christmas), the fact that he kept us up when Irvine was taking us down was progress and I was more than happy to give him the following season to build on it. Sadly, the progress was somewhat lacking in that second season and, other than a few good performances against the bigger boys, the football and the results were dreadful on the whole. We stayed up, but it came at the cost of any entertainment in the slightest which is why I was in the Pulis out camp come the end of the season as there was no sign of change at that point and I could not stomach any more of that football.

This season, a poor first couple of home games aside, the progress has been staggering and all you can ask is that we continue in the same vein.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 02, 2017, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on March 02, 2017, 10:08:37 AM
All you can ask for is continued progress.

The first season of Pulis (when he came in at Christmas), the fact that he kept us up when Irvine was taking us down was progress and I was more than happy to give him the following season to build on it. Sadly, the progress was somewhat lacking in that second season and, other than a few good performances against the bigger boys, the football and the results were dreadful on the whole. We stayed up, but it came at the cost of any entertainment in the slightest which is why I was in the Pulis out camp come the end of the season as there was no sign of change at that point and I could not stomach any more of that football.

This season, a poor first couple of home games aside, the progress has been staggering and all you can ask is that we continue in the same vein.

What have you done with the real Fitzel?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 02, 2017, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on March 02, 2017, 11:39:48 AM
What have you done with the real Fitzel?  ;D

 ;D

I may be outspoken in many of my opinions and have never been one for conforming for the sake of it, but I am also not an idiot. My gripe with Pulis was only ever with the football I had to endure last season. I still feel he has limitations, particularly in the transfer market and his reluctance to look for better bang for your buck abroad, but whilst we are playing like we currently are, and reaping the rewards we currently are, it would take a fool to still want him out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 02, 2017, 04:56:40 PM
Not a great source, but Palace are going for round 2 in the courts. The article says either an enforcement order or even Possibly in a request for Tony to be made bankrupt.

http://readcrystalpalace.com/2017/03/02/palace-consider-taking-legal-action-pulis/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on March 02, 2017, 05:17:30 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on March 02, 2017, 09:12:46 AM
I get what you are saying but for the last few seasons we have been a lower half side with 1 decent cup run. I think that being a solid top 10 side for the next 3 seasons+ and then adding to that with good solid cup runs is a step up from where we are now.
It would certainly be enjoyable. I suppose it all depends on definition. I suppose that would put us on a par with Everton, who it could be argued are in a level all by themselves, but that is a very big ask given their financial clout and fan base etc, so I'm not holding my breathe. It could all change if our new owner invests £100 million on players, but I have seen nothing yet to suggest he is that sort of owner. Anyway, if Pulis can achieve what you are suggesting, he will be ranked along with the very best of our managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 02, 2017, 08:22:11 PM
Bit of light relief...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJi9LNOOBk&t=1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJi9LNOOBk&t=1s)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 02, 2017, 08:35:13 PM
I think Liam's point about 'this is as good as it gets' isn't so much about can we ever do better... because I believe we can.

It's about enjoying the now and acknowledging that the feeling we've got right now, the relative success we are enjoying, is as good as it gets.

The worst thing that can happen is we keep raising our expectations and end up disappointed when we should be enjoying where we are.

I mean, it's not like we are former European Champions or anything ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on March 02, 2017, 08:39:42 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on March 02, 2017, 08:35:13 PM
I think Liam's point about 'this is as good as it gets' isn't so much about can we ever do better... because I believe we can.

It's about enjoying the now and acknowledging that the feeling we've got right now, the relative success we are enjoying, is as good as it gets.

The worst thing that can happen is we keep raising our expectations and end up disappointed when we should be enjoying where we are.

I mean, it's not like we are former European Champions or anything ;)
Life is what happens while you're dreaming. Enjoy the moment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on March 02, 2017, 08:52:52 PM
Palace preparing to send in the bailiffs, Leicester preparing a get out of jail card. 

 :) :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba58 on March 02, 2017, 09:42:10 PM
Probably very few of you who play ultimate team on FIFA, but my mate filmed a video with Pulis today picking a side...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1s&v=QNJi9LNOOBk
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 02, 2017, 10:59:54 PM
Looking like Leicester fancy an  ex or current Albion player/manager to replace Ranieri.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/874609031?-11200:789:0
odds slashed on Pulis , don't see it myself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 02, 2017, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on March 02, 2017, 10:59:54 PM
Looking like Leicester fancy an  ex or current Albion player/manager to replace Ranieri.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/874609031?-11200:789:0 (http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/874609031?-11200:789:0)
odds slashed on Pulis , don't see it myself.


Imagine my surprise seeing my mug staring back at me when I opened this story...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 03, 2017, 06:30:20 AM
Quote from: timdon on March 02, 2017, 05:17:30 PM
It would certainly be enjoyable. I suppose it all depends on definition. I suppose that would put us on a par with Everton, who it could be argued are in a level all by themselves, but that is a very big ask given their financial clout and fan base etc, so I'm not holding my breathe. It could all change if our new owner invests £100 million on players, but I have seen nothing yet to suggest he is that sort of owner. Anyway, if Pulis can achieve what you are suggesting, he will be ranked along with the very best of our managers.

I don't think it would put us on a par with Everton. I think they are a comfortable top 8 side with the odd season where they qualify for Europe, probably 2 levels above us. You are right though in that for us to get to their level would take some serious financial backing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 03, 2017, 05:42:13 PM
Bigging  up the opposition again, underdogs for the palace game. is this what you would call mind games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 03, 2017, 05:51:49 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on March 03, 2017, 05:42:13 PM
Bigging  up the opposition again, underdogs for the palace game. is this what you would call mind games

It's so if we get beaten he doesn't look silly. For example if he said he fancies us to win as they're poor at the back, then we don't score. Anyway, most managers say that it's going to be a tough game, even if playing a team many leagues below! I saw Wenger saying that Sutton would be tough and difficult etc. Really annoys me!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 04, 2017, 10:21:20 AM
I don't know why people get annoyed. It's the polteam thing to do and every single manager does it. I have never heard a single manager say something like "Yeah, they look dreadful this season, we should beat these".

It's just your big standard PR before a game and doesn't meant anything at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on March 04, 2017, 10:44:26 AM
No mater what the result today can I just say that Tony Pulis has done a remarkable job so please no jumping on the anti Pulis bandwagon after a few bad results which will happen eventually.
Here is to another 3 points boing boing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on March 04, 2017, 11:37:06 AM
Saying anything negative against an opposition team will just be fuel to fire them up. What Pulis tells the players will be very different to what he tells the press.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2017, 05:20:28 PM
Not going to knee jerk after one bad game but if this is indeed the 40 point sleep walk its a big test of Pulis to shake it off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on March 04, 2017, 05:35:23 PM
Way of the pace today as a team, Tp needs to get hold of players and remind them that we  need to push on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on March 04, 2017, 06:02:53 PM
Quote from: paulosull on March 04, 2017, 05:35:23 PM
Way of the pace today as a team, Tp needs to get hold of players and remind them that we  need to push on

Other way round in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 04, 2017, 06:03:54 PM
Lack of width cost us today. Their two wingers won the game for them. Have Palace had his backside yet?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 05, 2017, 09:17:45 PM
I just hope we don't put the sun loungers up and have the safe mentality now we have hit the 40 point mark. Stoke fans saying Pulis was the same with them, soon as the point target was hit, they switched off.

Mind bar the score, thought Everton were awful today. You never know at Goodison, we certainly are due a better performance than Saturday. ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 05, 2017, 10:12:52 PM
I think there should be a new motivating target of at least 2 big performances resulting in points from the upcoming games against the big-boys.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 06, 2017, 11:45:03 AM
So would everyone be happy with a new one year deal for Pulis. Be the same old same old. ??? Most takeovers result in a new man coming in. Not knocking Pulis, wave had a good season, but the Football is absolutely dire to watch at times. When you pay good money for a season ticket like I do, you want to be entertained. On Saturday it was pathetic, awful performance.

Williams was in attendance, he cant of been impressed with that. Mind it does highlight we need re enforcements in the summer. ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 06, 2017, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 06, 2017, 11:45:03 AM
So would everyone be happy with a new one year deal for Pulis. Be the same old same old. ??? Most takeovers result in a new man coming in. Not knocking Pulis, wave had a good season, but the Football is absolutely dire to watch at times. When you pay good money for a season ticket like I do, you want to be entertained. On Saturday it was pathetic, awful performance.

Williams was in attendance, he cant of been impressed with that. Mind it does highlight we need re enforcements in the summer. ::)
You cannot take Saturday's performance as typical of the season surely ? It would be madness not to offer Pulis another 1 year deal....sounds like JW knows that anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on March 06, 2017, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 06, 2017, 11:45:03 AM
So would everyone be happy with a new one year deal for Pulis. Be the same old same old. ??? Most takeovers result in a new man coming in. Not knocking Pulis, wave had a good season, but the Football is absolutely dire to watch at times. When you pay good money for a season ticket like I do, you want to be entertained. On Saturday it was pathetic, awful performance.

Williams was in attendance, he cant of been impressed with that. Mind it does highlight we need re enforcements in the summer. ::)

Its one of the first times I can honestly say the football has been dire since October some time.

It has been entertaining otherwise
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on March 06, 2017, 12:32:27 PM
Pulis was well and truly 'out-Pulised' on Saturday. It was the type of game and situation that Allardyce would have relished, a hungry Palace against a more 'comfortable' Albion, playing Pulis at his own game. I think by Big Sam's own admission, he has never had the best of results over the years against sides managed by Pulis, he would have been sure to come up with a tactical masterplan for this one. I for one am not surprised at the result, I don't think we would have had as many problems against any other side below us in the table and I don't think it will prove to be true reflection of the run in, I'm quite confident we won't just roll over for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on March 10, 2017, 01:34:03 PM
One thing I think he's a bit weak on, is changing a winning side, freshening things up.  Sometimes it's the best time to give youngsters like Field a start, much harder when you've just lost a couple.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ABaggie on March 10, 2017, 01:39:58 PM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 06, 2017, 11:45:03 AM
So would everyone be happy with a new one year deal for Pulis. Be the same old same old. ??? Most takeovers result in a new man coming in. Not knocking Pulis, wave had a good season, but the Football is absolutely dire to watch at times. When you pay good money for a season ticket like I do, you want to be entertained. On Saturday it was pathetic, awful performance.

Williams was in attendance, he cant of been impressed with that. Mind it does highlight we need re enforcements in the summer. ::)

If you wanted to be entertained why on earth did you spend good money on a season ticket this season? The season has been far more entertaining than you could've imagined when you handed over your money!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 10, 2017, 08:49:58 PM
ABaggie yes we're in a good League posistion, and our Home form has been good, but we have still only won three games away. Our joint top scorer in G Mac on seven goals, all of them more or less come from set plays which Pulis prides himself on.

I've had a season ticket for Donkeys, and the Football isn't the best trust me, last week was absolutely dire. He will probably be given a one year extension, but can see the club moving on to a new direction after that, hopefully good young manager who plays good attacking Football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on March 10, 2017, 09:15:22 PM
Wow look where we are, its a season ticket shouldnt we reserve judgement until the end of the season?
Honestly I don't get fans that constantly moan but still spend hard earned money on the club, one, you could be doing something more pleasurable for yourself with the money (unless that's what you genuinely like coming to the Albion to do -moan  ::),  two, we don't need the negativity and unrealistic expectations that surround such fickle fans. It's getting really boring.
I don't think people have learnt from history and teams around us with their gung ho nature on appointments and expectations that outweigh reality.
For example if around us in an imaginary table we were surrounded  by Villa Blues Wolves Forest Leeds Newcastle  Fulham, do we stand out as an automatic candidate to be a premier league team that is currently in 8th position? Or would any one else batter an eyelid at us among them names ( all being in the champ and , barring Fulham and Blues, arguably being of an equal or higher stature).
Honestly some of ours fans make me question our overall intelligence as a fan base. Some of our fans with grievances have a reasoning behind it and offer a worthwhile argument that is enjoyable to read /discuss. However when you hear some of the absolute dog sh!te that people come out with it really makes me wonder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 10, 2017, 10:21:29 PM
Well said 5 I think jimbo should crawl back under that rock he came out from that might sound blunt but I am sick and tired of some of our so called fans constantly running us down. We have played some bloody good football this season and OK we had a blip last week we are all entitled to them we have a good squad an excellent manager we lie 8th in the Premiership and all that some fans want to do is slag all that we do.I was bought up to SUPPORT MY TEAM and I will always get behind them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 11, 2017, 09:24:14 PM
After the last two matches.
Why can't he motivate the players?
Is he on the beach, too?
Does his agreement say he only gets a bonus for avoiding relegation?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 11, 2017, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on March 11, 2017, 09:24:14 PM
After the last two matches.
Why can't he motivate the players?
Is he on the beach, too?
Does his agreement say he only gets a bonus for avoiding relegation?

I imagine there's a bonus for him and everyone else if we stay in the Premier League. I hate to say it but I bet it makes no difference to Pulis or the players whether we finish 17th or 8th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 11, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
I personally think he's taken us as far as he can, we cant go any further without serious investment. Its like he downs tools and the players once they hit forty points. :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2017, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 11, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
I personally think he's taken us as far as he can, we cant go any further without serious investment. Its like he downs tools and the players once they hit forty points. :o


This part is true irrespective of who picks the team.


Just look how the best manager on the planet is getting on at the Etihad with an unlimited war chest...


For me Pulis is the pinnacle of what we can currently get, and by a distance the best British manager in world football.


As ever, be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 11, 2017, 11:06:29 PM
Testicles!!! we could do so much better. Why not try and go ambitious for once. The Hoffenheim manager (Julian Nagelsmann) doing wonders in the Bundesliga, the Leipzig one (Ralph Hasenhuttl) as well, all getting great plaudits for the way they play. I also think wrong club wrong time for Frank DeBoer at Inter, did very well at Ajax, Id take gamble on him, time to show some bloody ambition, what was the point of a take over otherwise.

Pulis taken us as far as he can, time to move on. #Fact
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on March 11, 2017, 11:33:00 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2017, 10:32:44 PM

This part is true irrespective of who picks the team.


Just look how the best manager on the planet is getting on at the Etihad with an unlimited war chest...


For me Pulis is the pinnacle of what we can currently get, and by a distance the best British manager in world football.


As ever, be careful what you wish for.
You come out with some crackers you do, the best manager on the planet is at Stamford Bridge!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on March 11, 2017, 11:34:36 PM
I don't mind losing every now and then (on reflection not at the time haha) but I just wish Pulis wouldn't talk defensive rubbish when we do lose, I.e. Brunt and Morrison subs today.

He's done a great job and talks a good game most of the time but when we lose he does a very good job of further wetting fans off with his post match comments
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2017, 11:41:15 PM
Quote from: albion59 on March 11, 2017, 11:33:00 PM
You come out with some crackers you do, the best manager on the planet is at Stamford Bridge!


As per... You're wrong again.


Pep 6 league titles; 2 Champions League titles. Total 21 trophies.


Conte 3 league titles. Total 6 trophies.


Have another try.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 11, 2017, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2017, 10:32:44 PM

This part is true irrespective of who picks the team.


Just look how the best manager on the planet is getting on at the Etihad with an unlimited war chest...


For me Pulis is the pinnacle of what we can currently get, and by a distance the best British manager in world football.


As ever, be careful what you wish for.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 11, 2017, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: albion59 on March 11, 2017, 11:33:00 PM
You come out with some crackers you do, the best manager on the planet is at Stamford Bridge!

Think the key word was BRITISH manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 12, 2017, 01:07:40 AM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 11, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
I personally think he's taken us as far as he can, we cant go any further without serious investment. Its like he downs tools and the players once they hit forty points. :o
if his Stoke days are any indication, he can't go much further even WITH serious investment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on March 12, 2017, 01:40:30 AM
Coming out with the working ard mantra post match, got his bonus so doesn't give a monkey's if we win another game this season. New owners will have to decide do they give 40 point Tony a new contract which all but ensures premiere football or take a gamble on a new coach with new ideas and the fear of relegation?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on March 12, 2017, 01:50:01 AM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 11, 2017, 11:06:29 PM
Testicles!!! we could do so much better. Why not try and go ambitious for once. The Hoffenheim manager (Julian Nagelsmann) doing wonders in the Bundesliga, the Leipzig one (Ralph Hasenhuttl) as well, all getting great plaudits for the way they play. I also think wrong club wrong time for Frank DeBoer at Inter, did very well at Ajax, Id take gamble on him, time to show some bloody ambition, what was the point of a take over otherwise.

Pulis taken us as far as he can, time to move on. #Fact

Nagelsmann says he wants to stay one more year in Germany and the Bayer Leverkusen job is much better than ours anyways. Leipzig is in 2nd place in Germany so why take a huge step down to us?

And why will DeBoer come here if the board is willing to sack a manager who is currently in the top 10 in the league with minimum investment. You can't fire Pulis if he finishes 9th or something and expect other managers to not think there is no job security here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 12, 2017, 04:06:25 AM
Quote from: DivinePast on March 12, 2017, 01:50:01 AM
Nagelsmann says he wants to stay one more year in Germany and the Bayer Leverkusen job is much better than ours anyways. Leipzig is in 2nd place in Germany so why take a huge step down to us?

And why will DeBoer come here if the board is willing to sack a manager who is currently in the top 10 in the league with minimum investment. You can't fire Pulis if he finishes 9th or something and expect other managers to not think there is no job security here.
simple, spin it into his Palace court case, he's apparently failed to repay and Palace are readying an enforcement, to the point he may be made bankrupt, now we can hop on that and play the victim. "oh, we gave him a second chance after he was caught defrauding a club for millions of pounds as we are good Samaritans, but he's gone to far by continuing to hide from serious legal consequences, we cannot condone him or his actions and so have terminated his contract". fire him with out losing face in the media.

not very ethical to hide the truth like that, but perfectly doable... i'd like Thomas Schaaf, by the way, currently a free agent who made Werder Bremen a serious threat.just ignore the rubbish Hannover team last year as he was one of 3 managers to have a go and were still relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 12, 2017, 06:07:10 AM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on March 12, 2017, 04:06:25 AM
simple, spin it into his Palace court case, he's apparently failed to repay and Palace are readying an enforcement, to the point he may be made bankrupt, now we can hop on that and play the victim. "oh, we gave him a second chance after he was caught defrauding a club for millions of pounds as we are good Samaritans, but he's gone to far by continuing to hide from serious legal consequences, we cannot condone him or his actions and so have terminated his contract". fire him with out losing face in the media.

not very ethical to hide the truth like that, but perfectly doable... i'd like Thomas Schaaf, by the way, currently a free agent who made Werder Bremen a serious threat.just ignore the rubbish Hannover team last year as he was one of 3 managers to have a go and were still relegated.
More devious than the man himself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on March 12, 2017, 06:36:25 AM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on March 12, 2017, 04:06:25 AM
simple, spin it into his Palace court case, he's apparently failed to repay and Palace are readying an enforcement, to the point he may be made bankrupt, now we can hop on that and play the victim. "oh, we gave him a second chance after he was caught defrauding a club for millions of pounds as we are good Samaritans, but he's gone to far by continuing to hide from serious legal consequences, we cannot condone him or his actions and so have terminated his contract". fire him with out losing face in the media.

not very ethical to hide the truth like that, but perfectly doable... i'd like Thomas Schaaf, by the way, currently a free agent who made Werder Bremen a serious threat.just ignore the rubbish Hannover team last year as he was one of 3 managers to have a go and were still relegated.

I'm not saying Tony is perfect so I hope nobody gets me wrong, just I don't see it realistic we can get a significantly better coach in the current position West Brom is in. It will have to be a coach who can keep us in the top 10 ish like Pulis has done this year while doing much better in the cups is our upper limit for a while.

Would I take Marco Silva over TP? Probably depending how committed he will be to us. I just don't see many realistic targets that will come here and speak English. Would Laurent Blanc coach us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 12, 2017, 08:48:51 AM
For me the argument has never been about the largely mythical "next level" we are probably along with pretty much everyone else outside the top 6 operating in a range form 18th to 7th. We all have a shot at a breakout season and in truth a few clubs in particular Everton Southampton and West Ham are better positioned than ourselves but are kidding themselves if they think they will consistently finish higher than even the financially weakest of the top 6 which is Spurs.

The reality is if the top 6 have their act together they will continue to mop up all the prizes leaving the rest of the division scrapping over one Europa League spot via a cup win or a 7th place finish. There will be opportunities for instance Man United's post Ferguson wobble presented the rest of the division with a huge opportunity which Leicester City took advantage of  (observe not the more fancied trio of Everton,West Ham and Southampton)

The question is a breakout season more or less likely under Pulis than another coach? On the evidence of yesterday slightly less. The only way we could have progressed beyond 8th was to go and beat Everton. Pulis chooses this game to rest our best striker and two of our most effective midfielders when we are already short of Matt Phillips. He then fields a team purely designed to get a totally worthless point given there are no prizes for defending 8th position.

The point being to breakout you have to go and do something different go beyond what can be reasonably be expected and Pulis' over arching conservatism makes that less likely. Yet this is still not my main argument against Pulis it is almost unreasonable to judge a manager on whether he turns a 5% chance of finishing at the top of our range into a 10% one (no manager alive could bend the weight of probability that far in their favour). We will always tend to regress towards our relative wage bill (which hovers around 14th) this will be the case under any manager.

The issues are and remain.

 His football is dreadful to watch and unless his results are considerably better than the alternative then it isn't worth suffering. This year we have enjoyed peak Pulisball next year we will regress back to the same old slightly less effective version along with all the attendant time wasting be incapable of breaking teams down etc...

His squad management is bizarre. I understand why he wants to work with a small squad because that give him a tight knit unit and often as not a mid-table team with lots of players means there is quantity not quality but in those circumstances you do have to play youngsters and Pulis doesn't do that. Equally we have an aging squad but we still look at players in their 30's the link to John Terry is just depressing.

Finally is the obsession with the British based players which does us real damage particularly as he only ever looks to sign the tried and tested.  Yesterday he bemoaned the fact that Everton beat us to Schniederlin yet turned down the opportunity to sign Camacho demonstrates how dumb that strategy is. Signing Camacho represents a risk but we simply don't have the pull to land Schniederlin so we have to go to a market where we do have some pull (not us but the earning power that the Premier League represents) it might not work but it is a lot better than not trying. 

As an aside provided the money is good and the £2m a year Pulis is earning is better than most coaches in most leagues there will always be another one willing to take their place regardless of how unreasonable the club has been in firing their predecessor. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on March 12, 2017, 09:23:08 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2017, 11:41:15 PM

As per... You're wrong again.


Pep 6 league titles; 2 Champions League titles. Total 21 trophies.


Conte 3 league titles. Total 6 trophies.


Have another try.
I am not wrong, Conte is a far better manager, you have your opinion i have mine, but according to you,you are always right about everything you post well mate your not you are just a wind up merchant and not a very good one!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 12, 2017, 09:54:10 AM
On the small squad front and I can see the logic in it, some did question certain contract offers at the time...but if we are keeping to 18 senior players then we need to keep improving that 18. Some questioned it at the time but whether we should have offered McLean a new deal is very questionable. He's a good player, gives 100% but is he good enough for a top half premier league team ? Gardner similar, though he should be gone anyway. Morrison - great servant very good player at his best but now past 30 and is he quite at the level of a top half premier league team ?
If we are aiming to be a regular top 10 team we have to consider these offers carefully.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: Standaman on March 12, 2017, 08:48:51 AM
For me the argument has never been about the largely mythical "next level" we are probably along with pretty much everyone else outside the top 6 operating in a range form 18th to 7th. We all have a shot at a breakout season and in truth a few clubs in particular Everton Southampton and West Ham are better positioned than ourselves but are kidding themselves if they think they will consistently finish higher than even the financially weakest of the top 6 which is Spurs.

The reality is if the top 6 have their act together they will continue to mop up all the prizes leaving the rest of the division scrapping over one Europa League spot via a cup win or a 7th place finish. There will be opportunities for instance Man United's post Ferguson wobble presented the rest of the division with a huge opportunity which Leicester City took advantage of  (observe not the more fancied trio of Everton,West Ham and Southampton)

The question is a breakout season more or less likely under Pulis than another coach? On the evidence of yesterday slightly less. The only way we could have progressed beyond 8th was to go and beat Everton. Pulis chooses this game to rest our best striker and two of our most effective midfielders when we are already short of Matt Phillips. He then fields a team purely designed to get a totally worthless point given there are no prizes for defending 8th position.

The point being to breakout you have to go and do something different go beyond what can be reasonably be expected and Pulis' over arching conservatism makes that less likely. Yet this is still not my main argument against Pulis it is almost unreasonable to judge a manager on whether he turns a 5% chance of finishing at the top of our range into a 10% one (no manager alive could bend the weight of probability that far in their favour). We will always tend to regress towards our relative wage bill (which hovers around 14th) this will be the case under any manager.

The issues are and remain.

 His football is dreadful to watch and unless his results are considerably better than the alternative then it isn't worth suffering. This year we have enjoyed peak Pulisball next year we will regress back to the same old slightly less effective version along with all the attendant time wasting be incapable of breaking teams down etc...

His squad management is bizarre. I understand why he wants to work with a small squad because that give him a tight knit unit and often as not a mid-table team with lots of players means there is quantity not quality but in those circumstances you do have to play youngsters and Pulis doesn't do that. Equally we have an aging squad but we still look at players in their 30's the link to John Terry is just depressing.

Finally is the obsession with the British based players which does us real damage particularly as he only ever looks to sign the tried and tested.  Yesterday he bemoaned the fact that Everton beat us to Schniederlin yet turned down the opportunity to sign Camacho demonstrates how dumb that strategy is. Signing Camacho represents a risk but we simply don't have the pull to land Schniederlin so we have to go to a market where we do have some pull (not us but the earning power that the Premier League represents) it might not work but it is a lot better than not trying. 

As an aside provided the money is good and the £2m a year Pulis is earning is better than most coaches in most leagues there will always be another one willing to take their place regardless of how unreasonable the club has been in firing their predecessor.

Finally a fantastic response. Agree with everything.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 11:33:47 AM
Quote from: DivinePast on March 12, 2017, 06:36:25 AM
I'm not saying Tony is perfect so I hope nobody gets me wrong, just I don't see it realistic we can get a significantly better coach in the current position West Brom is in. It will have to be a coach who can keep us in the top 10 ish like Pulis has done this year while doing much better in the cups is our upper limit for a while.

Would I take Marco Silva over TP? Probably depending how committed he will be to us. I just don't see many realistic targets that will come here and speak English. Would Laurent Blanc coach us?

What are you on about  :o course a few top level managers would want to come, its the best League in the world, pays well. Pulis is on £2 million a year, who's to say Lai/Williams wouldn't offer more to the right candidate. Just mindless drivel that some Albion fans seem to think we cant entice the best. Rubbish. If you offer them the money they will come.

There is a load of better candidates than Pulis for the role. He's done well this season, but I'm convinced now we have hit 40 points the squad will switch off, third defeat on the bounce against Arsenal next week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 12, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
Quote from: Standaman on March 12, 2017, 08:48:51 AM
For me the argument has never been about the largely mythical "next level" we are probably along with pretty much everyone else outside the top 6 operating in a range form 18th to 7th. We all have a shot at a breakout season and in truth a few clubs in particular Everton Southampton and West Ham are better positioned than ourselves but are kidding themselves if they think they will consistently finish higher than even the financially weakest of the top 6 which is Spurs.

The reality is if the top 6 have their act together they will continue to mop up all the prizes leaving the rest of the division scrapping over one Europa League spot via a cup win or a 7th place finish. There will be opportunities for instance Man United's post Ferguson wobble presented the rest of the division with a huge opportunity which Leicester City took advantage of  (observe not the more fancied trio of Everton,West Ham and Southampton)

The question is a breakout season more or less likely under Pulis than another coach? On the evidence of yesterday slightly less. The only way we could have progressed beyond 8th was to go and beat Everton. Pulis chooses this game to rest our best striker and two of our most effective midfielders when we are already short of Matt Phillips. He then fields a team purely designed to get a totally worthless point given there are no prizes for defending 8th position.

The point being to breakout you have to go and do something different go beyond what can be reasonably be expected and Pulis' over arching conservatism makes that less likely. Yet this is still not my main argument against Pulis it is almost unreasonable to judge a manager on whether he turns a 5% chance of finishing at the top of our range into a 10% one (no manager alive could bend the weight of probability that far in their favour). We will always tend to regress towards our relative wage bill (which hovers around 14th) this will be the case under any manager.

The issues are and remain.

 His football is dreadful to watch and unless his results are considerably better than the alternative then it isn't worth suffering. This year we have enjoyed peak Pulisball next year we will regress back to the same old slightly less effective version along with all the attendant time wasting be incapable of breaking teams down etc...

His squad management is bizarre. I understand why he wants to work with a small squad because that give him a tight knit unit and often as not a mid-table team with lots of players means there is quantity not quality but in those circumstances you do have to play youngsters and Pulis doesn't do that. Equally we have an aging squad but we still look at players in their 30's the link to John Terry is just depressing.

Finally is the obsession with the British based players which does us real damage particularly as he only ever looks to sign the tried and tested.  Yesterday he bemoaned the fact that Everton beat us to Schniederlin yet turned down the opportunity to sign Camacho demonstrates how dumb that strategy is. Signing Camacho represents a risk but we simply don't have the pull to land Schniederlin so we have to go to a market where we do have some pull (not us but the earning power that the Premier League represents) it might not work but it is a lot better than not trying. 

As an aside provided the money is good and the £2m a year Pulis is earning is better than most coaches in most leagues there will always be another one willing to take their place regardless of how unreasonable the club has been in firing their predecessor.
To me Pulisball means the Stoke style of old - we don't play it. You're entitled to your view of course but why do you assume ' next year we will regress back to the same old slightly less effective version along with all the attendant time wasting be incapable of breaking teams down ' ....forget the time wasting aspect, this year we have progressed to generally being better at breaking teams down. We all hope for 1 or 2 quality additions in the summer so why are you so confident that we will regress ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on March 12, 2017, 12:29:07 PM
There are be many good coaches managers out there it is having the ability to spot them that counts. Take Silva at Hull in all honesty who would really have put him into the frame for a job in the Prem? I do feel we probably should be looking abroad even only because i think the standard of coaching is much better than the TP , Allardyce, Moyes Bruce type., after all i dont see too many continental clubs from the bigger leagues hammering on our doors, Neville and Moyes were the last 2 to try and were soon bombed out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 12, 2017, 12:29:49 PM
Quote from: Standaman on March 12, 2017, 08:48:51 AM
For me the argument has never been about the largely mythical "next level" we are probably along with pretty much everyone else outside the top 6 operating in a range form 18th to 7th. We all have a shot at a breakout season and in truth a few clubs in particular Everton Southampton and West Ham are better positioned than ourselves but are kidding themselves if they think they will consistently finish higher than even the financially weakest of the top 6 which is Spurs.

The reality is if the top 6 have their act together they will continue to mop up all the prizes leaving the rest of the division scrapping over one Europa League spot via a cup win or a 7th place finish. There will be opportunities for instance Man United's post Ferguson wobble presented the rest of the division with a huge opportunity which Leicester City took advantage of  (observe not the more fancied trio of Everton,West Ham and Southampton)

The question is a breakout season more or less likely under Pulis than another coach? On the evidence of yesterday slightly less. The only way we could have progressed beyond 8th was to go and beat Everton. Pulis chooses this game to rest our best striker and two of our most effective midfielders when we are already short of Matt Phillips. He then fields a team purely designed to get a totally worthless point given there are no prizes for defending 8th position.

The point being to breakout you have to go and do something different go beyond what can be reasonably be expected and Pulis' over arching conservatism makes that less likely. Yet this is still not my main argument against Pulis it is almost unreasonable to judge a manager on whether he turns a 5% chance of finishing at the top of our range into a 10% one (no manager alive could bend the weight of probability that far in their favour). We will always tend to regress towards our relative wage bill (which hovers around 14th) this will be the case under any manager.

The issues are and remain.

 His football is dreadful to watch and unless his results are considerably better than the alternative then it isn't worth suffering. This year we have enjoyed peak Pulisball next year we will regress back to the same old slightly less effective version along with all the attendant time wasting be incapable of breaking teams down etc...

His squad management is bizarre. I understand why he wants to work with a small squad because that give him a tight knit unit and often as not a mid-table team with lots of players means there is quantity not quality but in those circumstances you do have to play youngsters and Pulis doesn't do that. Equally we have an aging squad but we still look at players in their 30's the link to John Terry is just depressing.

Finally is the obsession with the British based players which does us real damage particularly as he only ever looks to sign the tried and tested.  Yesterday he bemoaned the fact that Everton beat us to Schniederlin yet turned down the opportunity to sign Camacho demonstrates how dumb that strategy is. Signing Camacho represents a risk but we simply don't have the pull to land Schniederlin so we have to go to a market where we do have some pull (not us but the earning power that the Premier League represents) it might not work but it is a lot better than not trying. 

As an aside provided the money is good and the £2m a year Pulis is earning is better than most coaches in most leagues there will always be another one willing to take their place regardless of how unreasonable the club has been in firing their predecessor.

I agree 99% with your post.

The 1%?  The style of Pulis-ball has improved considerably this season, especially at home.

Yes we get the odd blip at home and the style away hasn't changed much against the top 6 sides (which I don't have too much of a problem with).

If we keep strengthening then at the very least we will reduce the chances of even having to think about relegation, which is progress.  Will it be enough to give us a chance of breaking into the top 6?  Not a prayer, and despite Leicester's totally freak season it would be reckless for any club to risk too much for that.

Our realistic aim surely has to be to strengthen enough to challenge for 7th place to get a chance of Europa League, and to have successful Cup runs.  All is very much within reach, provided that we show the ambition to do it. 

Is the ambition there?   That's the big question. If it isn't then it needs to be.  Can Pulis deliver it?  Yes, he could, provided that he shows more ambition and is willing to recruit beyond these shores.

Next season will be the acid test of how much the Chinese owners are prepared to invest in taking us further forward but Pulis simply has to show more ambition and flexibility in the transfer market.  If he can do that, then he's the man. If not then we need to move on.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 03:47:27 PM
Let him run down his contract then get someone else in, be the same old same old next season with him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 12, 2017, 04:03:06 PM
Lot of fecking parrots on here, if we lose the next two we will all be covered in shat
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on March 12, 2017, 05:04:04 PM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 11:33:47 AM
What are you on about  :o course a few top level managers would want to come, its the best League in the world, pays well. Pulis is on £2 million a year, who's to say Lai/Williams wouldn't offer more to the right candidate. Just mindless drivel that some Albion fans seem to think we cant entice the best. Rubbish. If you offer them the money they will come.

There is a load of better candidates than Pulis for the role. He's done well this season, but I'm convinced now we have hit 40 points the squad will switch off, third defeat on the bounce against Arsenal next week.

This is what the Sort of Anti Pulis want

-Attacking Manager who has an attacking plan in 90% of the games
-Attacking Manager who wins a lot (I would imagine these sort of fans will not prefer to be 17th but ave pride in attacking a lot)
-Manager who does extremely well in the cups
-All while having a team with about the 13th biggest wage bill in the country.

Don't you see that that is sort of high expectations especially when you consider the last point? How many teams from the bottom 13 have able to consistently do that other than maybe Southampton (though I don't think Koeman era Saints were super attacking).

Puel came to Southampton with high expectations and he's done alright but just ask their fans they don't see overly thrill with his style of play. Walter Mazzari hasn't done much at Watford. These are about the range of managers we can get foreign wise because why will a regular championship league manager from a top 5 league come here and they aren't setting the world on fire.

Now if Stoke let go of Hughes it will be a good reference point to see the managers we can attract because Stoke is on a similar footing as us. If they can get a Blanc or something really big that will be impressive but we don't know. Newcastle were able to get Rafa which I guess is the dream some WBA have for the manager they can attract.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2017, 05:19:43 PM
The unknown in all of this, is what Guochuan Lai wants from the football club.

Personally, I can't see an investment of £150 million just to retain PL status, I think ultimately he'll want more.

John Williams was set a target, for this season, of a top 10 Premier League finish with a good attempt at the domestic cup competitions, if we fail to make the top 10 at the end of the season, we will have failed on all counts. It remains to be seen what happens then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 12, 2017, 05:26:13 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 12, 2017, 05:19:43 PM
The unknown in all of this, is what Guochuan Lai wants from the football club.

Personally, I can't see an investment of £150 million just to retain PL status, I think ultimately he'll want more.

John Williams was set a target, for this season, of a top 10 Premier League finish with a good attempt at the domestic cup competitions, if we fail to make the top 10 at the end of the season, we will have failed on all counts. It remains to be seen what happens then.
Don't forget we were already out of the EFL cup a month before the takeover was completed and JW came on the scene.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on March 12, 2017, 05:50:48 PM
My worry is another Summer of battle between Pulis and the board over who will target and try to sign.
Nothing wrong with ambition but we lost a lot of time in the window chasing Benteke .
Fine balance between ambition and slim chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on March 12, 2017, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 12, 2017, 05:19:43 PM
The unknown in all of this, is what Guochuan Lai wants from the football club.

Personally, I can't see an investment of £150 million just to retain PL status, I think ultimately he'll want more.

John Williams was set a target, for this season, of a top 10 Premier League finish with a good attempt at the domestic cup competitions, if we fail to make the top 10 at the end of the season, we will have failed on all counts. It remains to be seen what happens then.

If only a 'necessary' investment is made, and no significant effort is made to propel us forward as a team/club.....then I never want to hear any of our heirachy ever mention our bloody attendances ever again! If Lai is not prepared to put his hand in his pocket, then I don't blame fans for not queuing up to spend their hard earned money. It's time for the owners to lead the way and show more initiative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 12, 2017, 06:21:38 PM
Quote from: Adder on March 12, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
To me Pulisball means the Stoke style of old - we don't play it. You're entitled to your view of course but why do you assume ' next year we will regress back to the same old slightly less effective version along with all the attendant time wasting be incapable of breaking teams down ' ....forget the time wasting aspect, this year we have progressed to generally being better at breaking teams down. We all hope for 1 or 2 quality additions in the summer so why are you so confident that we will regress ?

Why do I think we will regress?

Firstly our goal scoring at home has improved but we still are a low possession low shot numbers team that has had a spike in it's shot conversion rate which is unlikely to be sustained next year.

Secondly there aren't any players we are likely to bring in that will make Pulisball more efficient  than it currently is to improve we have to change our style but there is no evidence that Pulis will.

Thirdly while we might bring in new players but the existing squad has a number of players who are at the stage of career where they are quite likely to go into rapid and terminal decline and virtually no players who are likely to improve.

It is not to say that we will drop like a stone but decline is far more likely than improvement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 12, 2017, 06:53:12 PM
The anti TP fans out in force because we lost 2 matches running were still 8th just get of your high horses ,because you don`t have a life wish our fan`s were like our players and stick together through thick and thin Its about time you found something else to have a go at.If you were real supporters you would get behind the club but it seems some of you just have an agenda against Pulis Just remember tif you lot get your way things come back to bite you on the A**S and things could go the way of the other West Midlands clubs . But there again I`M a loyal Baggies fan who just wants the best for who ever is our Manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 08:06:51 PM
Quote from: wba13 on March 12, 2017, 06:53:12 PM
The anti TP fans out in force because we lost 2 matches running were still 8th just get of your high horses ,because you don`t have a life wish our fan`s were like our players and stick together through thick and thin Its about time you found something else to have a go at.If you were real supporters you would get behind the club but it seems some of you just have an agenda against Pulis Just remember tif you lot get your way things come back to bite you on the A**S and things could go the way of the other West Midlands clubs . But there again I`M a loyal Baggies fan who just wants the best for who ever is our Manager

So you'll put up with the dross football, most our goals coming from set pieces, soon as we hit the magic fourth points, we down tools and put the sun loungers out. If your ok with that so be it, but I want to see entertaining football, and the club to push on. No chance we'll finish as high next season, it's a one off, we need to replace the ageing players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 08:08:36 PM
Plus there is loads of better managers out there than Pulis. And with a new boardroom and backer, surely we'd be able to entice a few of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: Standaman on March 12, 2017, 06:21:38 PM
Why do I think we will regress?

Firstly our goal scoring at home has improved but we still are a low possession low shot numbers team that has had a spike in it's shot conversion rate which is unlikely to be sustained next year.

Secondly there aren't any players we are likely to bring in that will make Pulisball more efficient  than it currently is to improve we have to change our style but there is no evidence that Pulis will.

Thirdly while we might bring in new players but the existing squad has a number of players who are at the stage of career where they are quite likely to go into rapid and terminal decline and virtually no players who are likely to improve.

It is not to say that we will drop like a stone but decline is far more likely than improvement.

Brilliant post again mate...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on March 12, 2017, 01:50:01 AM
Nagelsmann says he wants to stay one more year in Germany and the Bayer Leverkusen job is much better than ours anyways. Leipzig is in 2nd place in Germany so why take a huge step down to us?

And why will DeBoer come here if the board is willing to sack a manager who is currently in the top 10 in the league with minimum investment. You can't fire Pulis if he finishes 9th or something and expect other managers to not think there is no job security here.


What are you on about, Nagelsman surely is only on a small salary to what can be offered in the Premier League. Pulis is on £2 million a year. I'm sure Hassenhuttl will be the harder one to pris away, I'm sure Arsenal were sniffing, but again I'm sure his salary wouldn't be massive. As for DeBoer he was heavily linked for Liverpool and the Southampton job, im sure he'd love a crack at the Premier League. Think wrong club wrong time at Inter after Sunning had brought them.

Mind any of these three would want there own back room teams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 08:26:14 PM
Quote from: Dexy on March 12, 2017, 05:50:48 PM
My worry is another Summer of battle between Pulis and the board over who will target and try to sign.
Nothing wrong with ambition but we lost a lot of time in the window chasing Benteke .
Fine balance between ambition and slim chance.

What the fecks the point of Nicky Hammond. I bet he recommends players, i.e. Adrien Silva (Sporting) Ignacio Camacho (Malaga) if Pulis turns down technically gifted players like these who would un doubtedly improve the team I give up.

I'm sure he'd play 11 defenders if he could...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 08:27:49 PM
Quote from: wba13 on March 12, 2017, 06:53:12 PM
The anti TP fans out in force because we lost 2 matches running were still 8th just get of your high horses ,because you don`t have a life wish our fan`s were like our players and stick together through thick and thin Its about time you found something else to have a go at.If you were real supporters you would get behind the club but it seems some of you just have an agenda against Pulis Just remember tif you lot get your way things come back to bite you on the A**S and things could go the way of the other West Midlands clubs . But there again I`M a loyal Baggies fan who just wants the best for who ever is our Manager

It will be three matches next week, smart backside  :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 12, 2017, 09:26:45 PM
Do you accept that Matt Phillips has made us better as a team ? We have money...we will hopefully find 1 or 2 more to make us better as a team. Of course you can be as negative about everything as you want to be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on March 12, 2017, 09:50:38 PM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 08:20:16 PM

What are you on about, Nagelsman surely is only on a small salary to what can be offered in the Premier League. Pulis is on £2 million a year. I'm sure Hassenhuttl will be the harder one to pris away, I'm sure Arsenal were sniffing, but again I'm sure his salary wouldn't be massive. As for DeBoer he was heavily linked for Liverpool and the Southampton job, im sure he'd love a crack at the Premier League. Think wrong club wrong time at Inter after Sunning had brought them.

Mind any of these three would want there own back room teams.

I want to hear the explanation how Bayer Leverkusen who in the previous 3 years has finished top 4 in one of the toughest leagues in the world is a worse job for a German coach than West Brom. If he turn them down why would he come here? All we can offer is a bit more money but a worse football situation and a new country.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 09:53:15 PM
Pulis has 18 months left on his deal am I right in thinking. He could see out his deal and then just leave. Depends what direction the new owners want to push the club, yes he guarantees survival, they may just want to pocket the TV and just stay up, or they could try for European football and a top ten finish. Think Lai mentioned he wanted a top ten club, well for that he needs to change constantly, add quality additions every window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on March 12, 2017, 10:04:08 PM
Sure if we tailed off and finish like 10th then I wouldn't look to extend the deal and tell TP he has to improve in the cup or else he's probably not going to be resigned.

If we finished in 8th I'll give him an extra year on the deal so it's easier in the transfer window to convince players to come here because Tony probably isn't getting fired in a year. I like to see the owners invest heavily to improve the squad and give Tony a fair shot at winning a cup and doing well in the league.

I personally feel TP's transfer activity and season performance up to date has earned him a extra year on the contract but it will be smart for the board to wait until the end of the year to examine it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on March 12, 2017, 10:06:16 PM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 09:53:15 PM
Pulis has 18 months left on his deal am I right in thinking. He could see out his deal and then just leave. Depends what direction the new owners want to push the club, yes he guarantees survival, they may just want to pocket the TV and just stay up, or they could try for European football and a top ten finish. Think Lai mentioned he wanted a top ten club, well for that he needs to change constantly, add quality additions every window.
don't think that will happen with the way Williams is talking. Circumstances in my opinion have elevated our position in league as I don't think we are a top ten four Club's below us have under performed this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 13, 2017, 08:18:37 AM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 08:20:16 PM

What are you on about, Nagelsman surely is only on a small salary to what can be offered in the Premier League. Pulis is on £2 million a year. I'm sure Hassenhuttl will be the harder one to pris away, I'm sure Arsenal were sniffing, but again I'm sure his salary wouldn't be massive. As for DeBoer he was heavily linked for Liverpool and the Southampton job, im sure he'd love a crack at the Premier League. Think wrong club wrong time at Inter after Sunning had brought them.

Mind any of these three would want there own back room teams.
You seem to think that just because we are in the Premier League and can pay more wages that that is enough to attract managers from smaller european clubs even when, like Hoffenheim and RB Leipzig they have a chance of qualifying for the Champions League? They might have small salaries but we don't offer the chance to play in any European competition so would they really want to come to a mid table Premier league club as opposed to staying with clubs that they have got into the Champions league or  Europa league?

DeBoer maybe but after you've managed at Ajax and Inter then I think West Brom looks like a big step backwards to most people. Neither of those teams are giants of world football anymore but they still regularly qualify for the Champions league or again at worst the Europa league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 13, 2017, 08:40:59 AM
I'm not sure it's as simple as replacing a head coach.

Reading between the lines, I think the owners want a head coach that will define the football club, so that the adopted style will become it's signature & run through everything that the club does from first team right through the academy. In that way, the academy will be able to produce players with not only the skill level, but also the mindset for first team football. I'm not sure we're there with Pulis, even though he's making the right noises

I would have thought there are things going on in the background to identify suitable candidates, & I'm pretty sure there are a number of continental coaches who are used to working with a director of football who would jump at the chance of re-defining an English Premier League Club when the time is right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 13, 2017, 04:22:29 PM
Jimbo baggie so i`m a smart backside Hmmmm to true so your wife must have told you that as you do not have the inteligence . Your just a one eyed TP hater who should go back to supporting the dingles as you obviously don`t support the baggies as all you do is slag them of when were in our best position for years  would hate to see your reply`s if we were in the bottom 3 there again you would love it as you don`t get behind your team because you have a defeatist attitude as you already have shown [ lose to Arsenal ]
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 13, 2017, 11:05:37 PM
He's got 18 months left on his contract and has had a very good season by all accounts. So not sure why we're even having this discussion. He's not exactly going to be sacked is he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 14, 2017, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 12, 2017, 08:06:51 PM
So you'll put up with the dross football, most our goals coming from set pieces, soon as we hit the magic fourth points, we down tools and put the sun loungers out. If your ok with that so be it, but I want to see entertaining football, and the club to push on. No chance we'll finish as high next season, it's a one off, we need to replace the ageing players.

In one word YES.

You can carry on breast beating every time we lose a game if you want, empty vessels and all that....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 14, 2017, 10:24:07 AM
Thought I would put this up for all who dislike Mr Pulis a well thought out piece.                                             Throughout this article, I will be indulging my emotions for Richard Anthony Pulis; aka Tony Pulis. Mr Pulis has been at the club for over two years now which seems like a long time considering the short-life expectancy for any manager in the Premier League these days.

For me, when it was announced he would be taking over from Alan Irvine as head coach; I for one was a bit hesitant towards the appointment purely for the fact that the style of football he drilled into his players at Stoke wasn’t very attractive. Definitely effective but not very attractive. At school, myself and a friend of mine made a list of things we dislike in the world, Mr Pulis was number one.

I was only made aware of who Tony Pulis was and what he stood for at Stoke, he had the reputation of the classic manager that knows the game inside out and is respected by all players and staff associated with the club. A bit like Harry Redknapp or even Steve Bruce for that matter. Pulis spent a number of years at Stoke which saw him guide them to the Premier League for the first ever time in the clubs history, they were a revelation; with the long throws from Rory Delap which seemed to always find Ricardo Fuller in the box, unmarked. Something that might even shock people reading this article but Pulis managed Stoke in the Europa League; which saw them get knocked by a very good Valencia side back in 2012.

It was very apparent that Pulis was a very well drilled defensive manager; the bigger teams in the league evidently struggled against that. It wasn’t like the team was set up just for a 0-0, it was set up to not concede goals while being patient and when the time is right; to counter attack and get a goal on the counter-attack, set piece or from a dangerous throw from Delap.

Furthermore, he replaced Ian Holloway at Crystal Palace to eventually becoming one of the elite managers in the Premier League by being crowned Manager of the Season (after only having the job for a matter of months). A game that sticks out for me at his time at Palace would have to be the game against Liverpool which later on stopped them getting their hands on the title for the first time. His time at Palace was cut short for a reason I have absolutely no idea about so I will not comment on them.

You always remember where you are when important things happen to you; I was on a train to Birmingham when Oasis split up. I was eating toast in my living room when Beckham scored that goal against Greece. Then during a shift at work; on the 1 January 2015, he was announced as head coach of West Bromwich Albion and again, I had made a list of things I disliked and Pulis was cemented to that top spot. I wasn’t expecting much from the remainder of his first season with us because what we had under Irvine was not great at all but he did come in and he did change things; big executive decisions like bringing in Darren Fletcher to the club and immediately taking the captain’s armband off Chris Brunt (who held that armband for numerous consecutive seasons) and giving it to Fletcher.

Throughout the 2015/16 season, the season as a whole can only be described as ‘mental’. Leicester winning the league, Big Sam keeping Sunderland up from being certain for the drop to the Championship with only a handful of games left. It would be a season to remember for any neutral football fan.

Distinctively though the 15/16 season from an Albion perspective, finishing 14th and being knocked out of the cup in the third round on both occasions would be have to be a season where we clearly below par on objectives for that season which got a few Albion fans rattled, evidently at the game against Reading which resulted in Brunt being assaulted by one of our own “fans”. If I’m being completely honest, I thought Pulis was going to get sacked at the end of that season purely for underachieving for where we want to be as a club but that wasn’t the case.

Finally, we get on to the current season and into our seventh consecutive season in top-flight of English football in our history. We did get off to a good start picking up eight points from our first six fixtures, included in that is a very impressive 4-2 winning performance against a West Ham side still hungover from an excellent season they had previous. Also, towards the start of the season, Pulis reached the monument milestone of having 1000 games under his belt as a manager, a feat which is rarely achieved by most managers who have been in the game for the same amount of time he has. Following that, we did lose two games on the bounce against Liverpool and Man City, two of the finest teams in the league.

After the Man City game was a game that I will never forget, Leicester away. Not only because we beat the reigning Champions but because it was the start of the best couple of months in the Premier League I’ve seen as an Albion fan and to motivate us to where we are today; on course for our best ever season in the Premier League which I can honestly see becoming a reality.

There is a reason Pulis has managed these amount of games, worked with a number of clubs in the Premier League, managed some of the best players to ever played in the league and that is because he is not only a good manager but a manager that will one day be associated with the likes of Bill Shankly, Brian Clough, Graham Taylor, Sir Alex Ferguson as one of the greats. I mentioned the opinion I had towards him before and I can honestly say I have well and truly been proven wrong.

I do hope that someone at the club was to read this so I can honestly say that as long as Pulis is the manager of the football club that I love then he will have my full backing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 14, 2017, 10:30:13 AM
I like the above post, and thank you for posting your opinions. But I think as soon as the team hits the magic 40 points under him, it downs tools. Ill be interested to see if we accumulate any more points from now until the end of the season. Plus I think his style of Football turns away players from signing for us. A 37 year old centre back is our joint top scorer. Set piece Charlie Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on March 14, 2017, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: wba13 on March 14, 2017, 10:24:07 AM
Thought I would put this up for all who dislike Mr Pulis a well thought out piece.                                             Throughout this article, I will be indulging my emotions for Richard Anthony Pulis; aka Tony Pulis. Mr Pulis has been at the club for over two years now which seems like a long time considering the short-life expectancy for any manager in the Premier League these days.

For me, when it was announced he would be taking over from Alan Irvine as head coach; I for one was a bit hesitant towards the appointment purely for the fact that the style of football he drilled into his players at Stoke wasn’t very attractive. Definitely effective but not very attractive. At school, myself and a friend of mine made a list of things we dislike in the world, Mr Pulis was number one.

I was only made aware of who Tony Pulis was and what he stood for at Stoke, he had the reputation of the classic manager that knows the game inside out and is respected by all players and staff associated with the club. A bit like Harry Redknapp or even Steve Bruce for that matter. Pulis spent a number of years at Stoke which saw him guide them to the Premier League for the first ever time in the clubs history, they were a revelation; with the long throws from Rory Delap which seemed to always find Ricardo Fuller in the box, unmarked. Something that might even shock people reading this article but Pulis managed Stoke in the Europa League; which saw them get knocked by a very good Valencia side back in 2012.

It was very apparent that Pulis was a very well drilled defensive manager; the bigger teams in the league evidently struggled against that. It wasn’t like the team was set up just for a 0-0, it was set up to not concede goals while being patient and when the time is right; to counter attack and get a goal on the counter-attack, set piece or from a dangerous throw from Delap.

Furthermore, he replaced Ian Holloway at Crystal Palace to eventually becoming one of the elite managers in the Premier League by being crowned Manager of the Season (after only having the job for a matter of months). A game that sticks out for me at his time at Palace would have to be the game against Liverpool which later on stopped them getting their hands on the title for the first time. His time at Palace was cut short for a reason I have absolutely no idea about so I will not comment on them.

You always remember where you are when important things happen to you; I was on a train to Birmingham when Oasis split up. I was eating toast in my living room when Beckham scored that goal against Greece. Then during a shift at work; on the 1 January 2015, he was announced as head coach of West Bromwich Albion and again, I had made a list of things I disliked and Pulis was cemented to that top spot. I wasn’t expecting much from the remainder of his first season with us because what we had under Irvine was not great at all but he did come in and he did change things; big executive decisions like bringing in Darren Fletcher to the club and immediately taking the captain’s armband off Chris Brunt (who held that armband for numerous consecutive seasons) and giving it to Fletcher.

Throughout the 2015/16 season, the season as a whole can only be described as ‘mental’. Leicester winning the league, Big Sam keeping Sunderland up from being certain for the drop to the Championship with only a handful of games left. It would be a season to remember for any neutral football fan.

Distinctively though the 15/16 season from an Albion perspective, finishing 14th and being knocked out of the cup in the third round on both occasions would be have to be a season where we clearly below par on objectives for that season which got a few Albion fans rattled, evidently at the game against Reading which resulted in Brunt being assaulted by one of our own “fans”. If I’m being completely honest, I thought Pulis was going to get sacked at the end of that season purely for underachieving for where we want to be as a club but that wasn’t the case.

Finally, we get on to the current season and into our seventh consecutive season in top-flight of English football in our history. We did get off to a good start picking up eight points from our first six fixtures, included in that is a very impressive 4-2 winning performance against a West Ham side still hungover from an excellent season they had previous. Also, towards the start of the season, Pulis reached the monument milestone of having 1000 games under his belt as a manager, a feat which is rarely achieved by most managers who have been in the game for the same amount of time he has. Following that, we did lose two games on the bounce against Liverpool and Man City, two of the finest teams in the league.

After the Man City game was a game that I will never forget, Leicester away. Not only because we beat the reigning Champions but because it was the start of the best couple of months in the Premier League I’ve seen as an Albion fan and to motivate us to where we are today; on course for our best ever season in the Premier League which I can honestly see becoming a reality.

There is a reason Pulis has managed these amount of games, worked with a number of clubs in the Premier League, managed some of the best players to ever played in the league and that is because he is not only a good manager but a manager that will one day be associated with the likes of Bill Shankly, Brian Clough, Graham Taylor, Sir Alex Ferguson as one of the greats. I mentioned the opinion I had towards him before and I can honestly say I have well and truly been proven wrong.

I do hope that someone at the club was to read this so I can honestly say that as long as Pulis is the manager of the football club that I love then he will have my full backing.

Where the hell did you copy and paste that ar*e licking from?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 14, 2017, 11:06:48 AM
YOU KNOW adam :P ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 14, 2017, 11:23:51 AM
I like Pulis and am glad he is at the club. That opinion piece though is dreadful. Written seemingly by a young supporter with little grasp on reality. Shankly?  Are you sure?


Leicester away will never be forgotten? Pull the other one.


My view: We're having a very good season and much of that is down to TP. Hopefully he gets another contract extension.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 14, 2017, 12:07:56 PM
Hmmm not the best article I've ever read I have to say. Does read like a school project. Also the article states that in 15/16 we went out of the cups in 3rd round on both occasions which is wrong as Reading was a 5th round tie.

Pulis will no doubt be remembered by fans for a very long time but not like Shankly and Ferguson as it won't be for positive things, most fans of other teams still regard him as a dinosaur and someone who parks the bus and is generally very negative.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on March 14, 2017, 12:11:20 PM
That Craig Shakespeare's got a good record. 100% win rate, no goals conceded, we should have a look at him!  ;)
Seriously though, I was disgusted when Leicester sacked Ranieri, but hope Shakey does well, starting tonight against Seville.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 14, 2017, 12:15:22 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on March 14, 2017, 12:11:20 PM
That Craig Shakespeare's got a good record. 100% win rate, no goals conceded, we should have a look at him!  ;)
Seriously though, I was disgusted when Leicester sacked Ranieri, but hope Shakey does well, starting tonight against Seville.
True it's only 3 games in a decade but a 100% win rate is very good!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on March 14, 2017, 05:05:11 PM
Just a reminder , site rule we don't discuss other managers while we have one in place.
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 14, 2017, 05:14:14 PM
Im the opposite to you setee I hope they lose tonight because of what Shakespeare and the player`s did to Raniari  and we have a good man in our manager`s seat
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on March 14, 2017, 08:57:01 PM
How it is under Pulis, this is the reality of how others see us.

 http://www.theevertonforum.co.uk/2017/03/14/everton-v-west-brom-review/

And how it used to be to be a Baggie. Four of the goals in one afternoon more memorable than any under this con man in two seasons..

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llxoa_E9TLw

Have never been against any Albion manager (except Gould) , but pub football is not what this club should be about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 14, 2017, 09:31:44 PM
First off there was no kicking of Lukaku on Saturday, as reported by the Everton blogger. Secondly no Albion supporter who has seen both Albion teams would make any comparison. Thirdly I have seen Everton teams who would p@ss all over the present Everton team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on March 14, 2017, 09:51:46 PM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on March 14, 2017, 08:57:01 PM
How it is under Pulis, this is the reality of how others see us.

 http://www.theevertonforum.co.uk/2017/03/14/everton-v-west-brom-review/

And how it used to be to be a Baggie. Four of the goals in one afternoon more memorable than any under this con man in two seasons..

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llxoa_E9TLw

Have never been against any Albion manager (except Gould) , but pub football is not what this club should be about.
Rose tinted glasses , Everton were down to ten men that game for a long while and RDM was soon to get the sack as we were heading down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 14, 2017, 10:02:05 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on March 14, 2017, 09:31:44 PM
First off there was no kicking of Lukaku on Saturday, as reported by the Everton blogger. Secondly no Albion supporter who has seen both Albion teams would make any comparison. Thirdly I have seen Everton teams who would p@ss all over the present Everton team.

Agreed the Howard Kendall side would pee all over this Everton team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 14, 2017, 10:02:51 PM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on March 14, 2017, 08:57:01 PM
How it is under Pulis, this is the reality of how others see us.

 http://www.theevertonforum.co.uk/2017/03/14/everton-v-west-brom-review/

And how it used to be to be a Baggie. Four of the goals in one afternoon more memorable than any under this con man in two seasons..

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llxoa_E9TLw

Have never been against any Albion manager (except Gould) , but pub football is not what this club should be about.

Didn't we beat Burnley and West Ham scoring 4 goals with the con man in charge? If we hadn't have lost the last two games there would be no posts like this and others on the forum. We're 8th, 2nd in the 7th-17th league and have been playing some good stuff this season, getting plaudits from the majority of pundits. We've also only lost 4 home games this entire season. When was the last manager to do that in the Premier League for us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 14, 2017, 10:03:24 PM
Quote from: Dexy on March 14, 2017, 05:05:11 PM
Just a reminder , site rule we don't discuss other managers while we have one in place.
Thanks guys.

There should be a page to discuss future Albion managers we'd like to see in charge then, surely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 15, 2017, 05:14:08 AM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 14, 2017, 10:03:24 PM
There should be a page to discuss future Albion managers we'd like to see in charge then, surely.

We don't do that here, it's deemed disrespectful but I'm sure that concept is beyond you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on March 15, 2017, 05:38:43 AM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 14, 2017, 10:03:24 PM
There should be a page to discuss future Albion managers we'd like to see in charge then, surely.
Nope , site owners rule thats been enforced for years by Admin and Mods long before Pulis arrived.
Thats the way it is and thats the way its staying.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on March 15, 2017, 07:13:14 AM
We are a fickle bunch aren't we?

I have been in Thailand for 5 weeks and I left when we were doing well, getting points and there was a vague optimism of Europe next year. We hit the 40 point mark and lose a couple of games. Like many of you I thought we would beat Palace, and was hoping for a decent performance against Everton, but it hasn't happened and we are now discussing Pulisball and new managers.....

I checked the table just now and we are still comfortably 8th, there are still enough games for us to close the gap on Everton, and still enough games for Stoke to pass us. We have a couple of tough games ahead but as we all know, this is the Albion so anything can happen. Think about the dross we were watching under Irvine et al. We have come some way from that and with new ownership hopefully we will progress further. The football has improved as well, only a couple of weeks ago we were telling the 'stayaways' about what they were missing.

What we seem to have identified now is that we are unable to beat any of the top 6 teams, I am sure that point is not wasted on Mr Williams or Mr Lai, or TP. So lets see what they come up with over the close season.

TP is going nowhere and I for one am pleased he is at our club.

The owner of Wulves is apparently richer than Mr Lai........that's going well isn't it :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 15, 2017, 07:46:05 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on March 15, 2017, 07:13:14 AM
We are a fickle  bunch aren't we?

I have been in Thailand for 5 weeks and I left when we were doing well, getting points and there was a vague optimism of Europe next year. We hit the 40 point mark and lose a couple of games. Like many of you I thought we would beat Palace, and was hoping for a decent performance against Everton, but it hasn't happened and we are now discussing Pulisball and new managers.....

I checked the table just now and we are still comfortably 8th, there are still enough games for us to close the gap on Everton, and still enough games for Stoke to pass us. We have a couple of tough games ahead but as we all know, this is the Albion so anything can happen. Think about the dross we were watching under Irvine et al. We have come some way from that and with new ownership hopefully we will progress further. The football has improved as well, only a couple of weeks ago we were telling the stayaways about what they were missing.

What we seem to have identified now is that we are unable to beat any of the top 6 teams, I am sure that point is not wasted on Mr Williams or Mr Lai, or TP. So lets see what they come up with over the close season.

TP is going nowhere and I for one am pleased he is at our club.

The owner of Wulves is apparently richer than Mr Lai........that's going well isn't it :)

Some are!

Most know where we sit in the footballing world and are content with our progress.

As has been pointed out, chucking money around in football guarantees absolutely nothing unless you have a virtually bottomless pit of money for astronomical wages, transfer and signing on fees.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on March 15, 2017, 09:03:28 AM
To be fair it's only one person who's posting a load of nonsense about him. Criticism will always come after two losses on the bounce but doesn't stray from the bigger picture of what a brilliant job Pulis has done here. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on March 15, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
Just out of interest, how much time have we spent in the relegation places with pulis in charge?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 15, 2017, 10:59:05 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on March 15, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
Just out of interest, how much time have we spent in the relegation places with pulis in charge?
To satisfy your interest, twice as much as we did under Irvine or Pepe Mel and the same amount as Clarke. (Two weeks  ;))
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 15, 2017, 10:59:37 AM
I dare say a certain poster on here will tell you as he seems to want Mr Pulis to stay local to the bottom 3 to me criticism is only fare when warranted and now as an established Premiership side is not the right time.Now`s the time  be getting behind the Club for a push at our highest ever points total then at the end of the season take stock. I know Pulis  is`nt out greatest manager but to me he has done a bloody good job over the last 27 month`s and certainly does`nt deserve the criticism he get`s from the odd poster
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 15, 2017, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on March 15, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
Just out of interest, how much time have we spent in the relegation places with pulis in charge?
3 weeks at the start of last year. Only two years previously during our current run in the PL have had longer in the zone that last year, the Clarke and Mel year and Hodgson's first year.

Other than that, he's been about average position wise bar the last 3-4 months as he is more positionally consistent compared to other managers who would go up and down the league table week on week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 15, 2017, 01:42:55 PM
I cant see us picking up many more points, from now until the end of the season. Ill be very surprised if we hit the 50 point mark. So if they want a top ten Premier League club, is Pulis the man to take us there. ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on March 15, 2017, 02:02:53 PM
Seems that the game is becoming more like American Football. All statistics. I am not too bothered how many points we end up with and whether it is our best, or whether we are top of the middle band of PL clubs, or whether we may be established or not ( no such thing anyway, you are only established until you are relegated)

I just like to be entertained.

Winning in an ugly fashion is ok, as long as you do it all the time, and win a league or cup. Winning in such a fashion and finishing nowhere of any significance does nothing for me personally.
I appreciate some people feel they are being entertained, but I think perception from the rest of the country is that we are efficient, well drilled, but hardly worth watching from a neutral point of view.
I would be interested to know how many of us went to watch Stoke under Pulis and enjoyed the experience.

Yes , a few home games have been ok, but in the main the excitement has been sucked out of the club. What has happened to the "boing boing"?   

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on March 15, 2017, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 15, 2017, 01:42:55 PM
I cant see us picking up many more points, from now until the end of the season. Ill be very surprised if we hit the 50 point mark. So if they want a top ten Premier League club, is Pulis the man to take us there. ::)

Last time I looked we were 8th, so the answer is yes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on March 15, 2017, 08:22:55 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on March 15, 2017, 03:00:34 PM
Last time I looked we were 8th, so the answer is yes.

Being only 7 points ahead of 11th place and having to play Man utd, southampton, liverpool, man city and chelsea... we will be very lucky to end up finishing 8th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 15, 2017, 08:52:42 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on March 15, 2017, 08:22:55 PM
Being only 7 points ahead of 11th place and having to play Man utd, southampton, liverpool, man city and chelsea... we will be very lucky to end up finishing 8th.


Man Utd with half a team and Southampton who we're above and have already beaten once?


You forgot Arsenal  ;)


How's your fella getting on at Stoke?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on March 15, 2017, 09:13:22 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on March 15, 2017, 08:52:42 PM

Man Utd with half a team and Southampton who we're above and have already beaten once?


You forgot Arsenal  ;)


How's your fella getting on at Stoke?

Was only just reading the update on the offical website about arsenal before i posted that and still forgot about them  ???

Even with half a team, i still think we will be lucky to get anything out of that game plus its over 2 weeks away, they may have players back then who knows...

In regards to southampton.... We have beaten crystal palace once this season... they are in a relegation scrap and 7 places below Southampton and we got hammered by them! It means nothing just because we have beaten them once and above them.

My fella? i don't know, you tell me seen as your the one obsessed with him that you can't help but mention him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on March 16, 2017, 07:44:17 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on March 15, 2017, 08:22:55 PM
Being only 7 points ahead of 11th place and having to play Man utd, southampton, liverpool, man city and chelsea... we will be very lucky to end up finishing 8th.

You may well be right Adam, but that wasn't the question. Jimbo asked if TP was the man to take us there. Its not as though we are languishing in mid table looking over our shoulder, we are already in the top 10 so TP appears to be up to the job. If a top 10 finish is what is required from the owner and board at present then I personally think that we have the right man. I think that the question is more relevant if you were to ask 'have we got the right man to crack the top six'.

We can only wait and see what the intentions are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 16, 2017, 07:49:48 AM
Quote from: Jimbo Baggy on March 15, 2017, 01:42:55 PM
I cant see us picking up many more points, from now until the end of the season. Ill be very surprised if we hit the 50 point mark. So if they want a top ten Premier League club, is Pulis the man to take us there. ::)

I'd be amazed if we don't pick up any more points before the seasons end. We probably won't get to 50 points but let's wait and see as there's still 30 points to play for.
What will you post if Pulis gets us to a top 10 finish?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on March 16, 2017, 08:14:30 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on March 16, 2017, 07:49:48 AM
I'd be amazed if we don't pick up any more points before the seasons end. We probably won't get to 50 points but let's wait and see as there's still 30 points to play for.
What will you post if Pulis gets us to a top 10 finish?

I'd imagine it would be something along the lines of it being a one off fluke due to the inadequacies of the teams around us rather than anything TP or the players had done, followed by a recommendation of another manager's name as an example of how we could move on....... ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: edrob on March 16, 2017, 05:28:49 PM
Think its going to be a boring end to the season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 16, 2017, 08:07:07 PM
How many wouldn't have been satisfied with a top 10 finish at the start of the season?
The footballs improved and I am not a huge Pulis fan but its much better to watch compared to last season.
Its looking likely that we will finish the season with more points scoring more gaols and a higher league place finish than last season.
Home supporters have seen plenty of victories so the masses must be happier.
Can we really expect much more?
Get more quality this summer and improve even more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 16, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10803578/is-tony-pulis-so-called-pulisball-the-most-effective-way-for-west-brom

Article looking at how TP plays the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 18, 2017, 10:47:08 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 16, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10803578/is-tony-pulis-so-called-pulisball-the-most-effective-way-for-west-brom

Article looking at how TP plays the game.

Interesting article and one that analyses Pulisball better than most. It is a game plan which is efficient at converting minimal possession into a relatively high number of scoring opportunities but from low shot numbers. It is also a very low risk strategy it is telling our point of attack is chosen to minimise the possibility of being countered rather than maximising the probability of scoring. 

As such what we are witnessing is it's peak to actually get better results we would have to have more possession in the final third and use the centre of the pitch to achieve that. That increases the risk of the counter and here is the rub to improve we have to take risks and this is why I believe that putting better players into game plan won't necessarily improve the outcomes.

The counter to the strategy is simple sit deep don't worry about conceding crosses but make sure that you have the bodies in there to defend them which is what the Championship teams we have struggled to beat or lost to in the cups have done and Palace and Boro have this year to good effect.

Ultimately I am not saying that an alternative to Pulis would get us a better finish than 8th which I think is the top end of the range of our reasonable expectations. However if fate presents us with a chance to do better and certainly in the cups where we have to take risks to progress then a coach with a different and more positive approach to the game is necessary.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 18, 2017, 04:05:22 PM
Quote from: Standaman on March 18, 2017, 10:47:08 AM
Interesting article and one that analyses Pulisball better than most. It is a game plan which is efficient at converting minimal possession into a relatively high number of scoring opportunities but from low shot numbers. It is also a very low risk strategy it is telling our point of attack is chosen to minimise the possibility of being countered rather than maximising the probability of scoring. 

As such what we are witnessing is it's peak to actually get better results we would have to have more possession in the final third and use the centre of the pitch to achieve that. That increases the risk of the counter and here is the rub to improve we have to take risks and this is why I believe that putting better players into game plan won't necessarily improve the outcomes.

The counter to the strategy is simple sit deep don't worry about conceding crosses but make sure that you have the bodies in there to defend them which is what the Championship teams we have struggled to beat or lost to in the cups have done and Palace and Boro have this year to good effect.

Ultimately I am not saying that an alternative to Pulis would get us a better finish than 8th which I think is the top end of the range of our reasonable expectations. However if fate presents us with a chance to do better and certainly in the cups where we have to take risks to progress then a coach with a different and more positive approach to the game is necessary.

Agree with this.

A number of televised interviews and shows with TP outline his methodology and strategy. Defend well and do the job properly. None of this knocking it about at the back. Win the ball and get rid of it.

Utilise the second ball. When it drops be there to pick it up and catch your opponent off guard.

Quick wingers to run the pitch when you've turned the ball over.

We were joking today that corners are like penalties for us and this couldn't be truer. You'd be foolish not to exploit something that you have so much control over. Other teams may moan, but when you have a free attempt to get rhe ball in their box and have very good deliverers of the ball, you stand a great chance of taking advantage of that. Today as an example our set pieces won the game for us. So much for tapping it around from the keeper.

Hard work. We laugh and use it as a stick to beat TP with. But we had largely inferior players today who wanted the game more and worked harder for it. There was a period in the second half where Mcclean broke free in our own half and two arsenal players gave up the chase. That doesn't happen in our team. And if it does, TP will let them know straight away.

He's built a very good team, with a very good team spirit that is overperforming against teams with a lot more resources and quality. And I for one am very happy with it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on March 18, 2017, 05:00:30 PM
We look pretty strong in 8th place right now with Stoke and West Ham losing today. Southampton might be the biggest competitor since they still have 3!! games in hand to catch up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on March 18, 2017, 05:18:34 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on March 16, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10803578/is-tony-pulis-so-called-pulisball-the-most-effective-way-for-west-brom

Article looking at how TP plays the game.
A good example today really. Only 23% possession, yet 8 shots on target vs their 2. Its all very well having lots of possession if the end product isnt there. Sometimes Pulis's way doesnt work, sometimes it does. Today it worked a treat
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on March 18, 2017, 07:22:29 PM
A lot of there possesion in the 2nd half,was in there own half too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 18, 2017, 08:45:43 PM
Dear Mr Pulis, please keep confounding your critics and pleasing your supporters. Quiet tonight ay it ? ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on March 18, 2017, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on March 18, 2017, 08:45:43 PM
Dear Mr Pulis, please keep confounding your critics and pleasing your supporters. Quiet tonight ay it ? ;)

Amen hallelujah
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 18, 2017, 11:24:09 PM
If any of YOU supporter`s are still staying away because of TP more fool you you are missing some master classes in how to counter attack we had more shots more attacking threat but again less possession as for some of the fan`s still having a go at TP in my opinion you are mugs as you can`t see a good manager when when he`s staring you in the face as 68 said your quiet tonight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on March 19, 2017, 01:28:49 AM
Got Arsenal utterly beat (one for the the pulis lovers)

shame we couldnt beat crystal palace though (one for the pulis haters)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chrisabbey on March 19, 2017, 01:51:52 AM
What's annoys me is the person constantly slagging off our manager after the last 2 defeats, hasn't been bothered to congratulate the team and the manager on today's magnificent result /performance on this thread!!! If I didn't know better I would suggest that some of these type supporters are hoping for a calamity in the hope of strengthening their opinions?? Now, its an opinion yes, but its the wrong opinion and everyone in football knows its the wrong opinion. If our sensible board had listened to a good number of our fan base last season, we'd have just sacked a fantastic manager with a fantastic proven track record. Last year with people like Gardner & sessegnon wide people called him a dinosaur, but he's not looking quite so much a dinosaur now with chadli, Phillips and brunt and Morrison back in the team is he? He keeps telling these people its a slow process and the cogs are evolving slowly but surely, but why listen to that?? When you can just spout off. From the moment he arrived I've trusted him and that's very important in a manager for a fan and player....trust!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 19, 2017, 06:42:31 AM
Quote from: chrisabbey on March 19, 2017, 01:51:52 AM
What's annoys me is the person constantly slagging off our manager after the last 2 defeats, hasn't been bothered to congratulate the team and the manager on today's magnificent result /performance on this thread!!! If I didn't know better I would suggest that some of these type supporters are hoping for a calamity in the hope of strengthening their opinions?? Now, its an opinion yes, but its the wrong opinion and everyone in football knows its the wrong opinion. If our sensible board had listened to a good number of our fan base last season, we'd have just sacked a fantastic manager with a fantastic proven track record. Last year with people like Gardner & sessegnon wide people called him a dinosaur, but he's not looking quite so much a dinosaur now with chadli, Phillips and brunt and Morrison back in the team is he? He keeps telling these people its a slow process and the cogs are evolving slowly but surely, but why listen to that?? When you can just spout off. From the moment he arrived I've trusted him and that's very important in a manager for a fan and player....trust!
Amen to that people were discarding Matty after five games,Rome was not built in a day now we have a serious team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 19, 2017, 08:45:02 AM
To be fair some of the football last season and early this season was pretty dire and rightly drew criticism. All I see are positive comments in the after match debate for the Arsenal game and rightly so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 19, 2017, 09:04:14 AM
It's just disappointing that some fans are very very quick to criticise but aren't nearly as quick to give credit when it's due.

We will have tough patches but when we get to them it's like none of the good bits have ever happened. I think some folk are looking for reasons to have a go rather than enjoying the moment right now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 19, 2017, 09:22:34 AM
Yesterday's performance reminded me of the Palace side that he kept up. Great pace on the flanks which is the key to this style of counter-attacking football.  Without that pace and width what's left is the turgid defensive stuff, which is why player recruitment and a big enough squad to contain depth is so vital to the style of play.   McClean, Phillips, Chadli and Leko, with Nyom as well, compares rather favourably with just McClean and McManaman before them.

The challenge now is to recruit more players of a similar quality to replace the ageing members of the squad and then to keep the enlarged squad happy. Livermore coming in and relegating Yacob to the bench will be interesting.  Do we now let Yacob go to give Field his chance, or do we keep Yacob and send Field out on loan? Or do we somehow try to keep Yacob happy by rotating?  If we send out Leko on loan, can we place him with a winger who will be happy on the bench?  Nice problems, but nevertheless decisions need to be made.

Do we consider a change to 2 up front?  To do that we either go to 4 in the midfield or 3 at the back. What impact does that have on recruitment?

Personally I'd like us to evolve into a squad which is more adaptable, otherwise other teams will too easily work out a way to play against us.  Whatever we go, we must keep recruiting central defenders who are an attacking threat at corners and free kicks and players who can deliver corners and free kicks as well as Brunt, Phillips & Co as that is such a threat against ANY opposition.  As long as the style of play creates chances which generate corners we will be a match for anyone.

On a final note, that cross from Brunt in the 2nd half for Rondon was pure nectar.  What a left foot that man has. 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 19, 2017, 09:40:59 AM
When it comes to corners having tall players is good, but most clubs have tall CH's so I think what really stands out for us and makes the biggest difference is just how good the ball into the box is. They're whipped in with pace and right into the danger area and we are very consistent with it.

Being a Pulis side it's sort of considered standard because we're a bunch of big lads but really it's the skill of the players taking the corners that's our standout.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on March 19, 2017, 09:46:21 AM
Quote from: wba13 on March 18, 2017, 11:24:09 PM
If any of YOU supporter`s are still staying away because of TP more fool you you are missing some master classes in how to counter attack we had more shots more attacking threat but again less possession as for some of the fan`s still having a go at TP in my opinion you are mugs as you can`t see a good manager when when he`s staring you in the face as 68 said your quiet tonight

People have there own views on how they want to be entertained,I agree about its slightly better than last season,but its not all the time,and usually only in patches or in one half,I don't want Pulis managing my team,unless we cut down on the endless punts up field to Rondon,who is usually isolated and has no support,or the mindless clearances which goes straight back to the other team.

I have to agree he is doing a good job points wise,I haven't moaned or criticised,even when we have had a bad game,what he is doing is working atm,but the football mostly isn't for me,so I won't renew till either he has left,or we are a lot more interesting to watch for most of the games we play.

Its my view and I won't fall out or start having a dig,as like i said people have there own opinions,life would be boring if we all had the same outlook.

Great win yesterday though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 19, 2017, 10:07:05 AM
But the football isn't that much different than under Roy. Megson's approach was worse. Tony M had us playing nice ineffective football.

I know what you mean though but i thought we played the more entertaining football yesterday. Football is about more than passing it nicely when in possession for me. When we're defending it can actually be enjoyable to see how we control where the ball goes and how we limit the other teams options. Arsenal only had 2 shots on target yesterday, and nothing on target after the 33rd minute. 

Arsenal was all sideways passing and then losing possession. We are direct and counter at pace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on March 19, 2017, 10:15:35 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on March 19, 2017, 10:07:05 AM
But the football isn't that much different than under Roy. Megson's approach was worse. Tony M had us playing nice ineffective football.

I know what you mean though but i thought we played the more entertaining football yesterday. Football is about more than passing it nicely when in possession for me. When we're defending it can actually be enjoyable to see how we control where the ball goes and how we limit the other teams options. Arsenal only had 2 shots on target yesterday, and nothing on target after the 33rd minute. 

Arsenal was all sideways passing and then losing possession. We are direct and counter at pace.

I didn't enjoy most of the games under Roy,same as I didn't under Megson,tbf though under Roy we was starting to become a feared team,but again we didn't have the funds that we have now,so I grinned and beared it.

I don't mind playing counter attacking football,but like I said earlier,its mostly the pointless long punts upfield that frustrate me the most.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on March 19, 2017, 10:28:16 AM
I am always happy when we win, but I am only tempted to go to a few games under the present regime. I understand all the people who feel he is doing a good job, and he does get a certain number of results every season. He is  like Allardyce and Warnock, but I would not particularly want either of them at our club. There seems little bounce or enthusiasm at the stadium, so it seems he has not converted (not a rugby pun!) enough people to his methods yet. Pleased there are enough who will go and keep attendances at a reasonable level. Personally, it is not what got me  excited about the Albion years ago, and more match days are now spent doing other things.Maybe it is the premier league structure that has created the likes of Pulis and Allardyce, who "succeed" by achieving mediocre results over a season, but mean a lot in terms of finance to the clubs they manage.
Perhaps he is the right man for the Albion at the moment, yesterday would indicate that, but still hope he is not here too long. My tennis and golf are benefiting from extra time on Saturdays, and a change is as good as a rest, but would love to be back on a regular basis in the next couple of seasons.   
     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 19, 2017, 10:53:58 AM
Given the gap in quality between the two sides yesterday setting up like we did is probably the most effective option open to us, although in terms of actual performance that gap wasn't that pronounced.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on March 19, 2017, 11:01:55 AM
But for their goal that was TP dream performance & outcome (mine to).
After two games were we showed no energy or enthusiasm this was the reaction we all hoped for.
This style of football is the best way forward for us has a club for the next few seasons while we slowly build a new squad.
10 out of 10.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 19, 2017, 11:18:08 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on March 19, 2017, 09:40:59 AM
When it comes to corners having tall players is good, but most clubs have tall CH's so I think what really stands out for us and makes the biggest difference is just how good the ball into the box is. They're whipped in with pace and right into the danger area and we are very consistent with it.

Being a Pulis side it's sort of considered standard because we're a bunch of big lads but really it's the skill of the players taking the corners that's our standout.

Spot on.  Brunt and Phillips are brilliant with their deliveries.  So hard to defend against corners of that quality and pace.   The key is that other clubs can only actually practice how to defend against it if they themselves have players who can whip in corners like that!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 19, 2017, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on March 19, 2017, 11:18:08 AM
Spot on.  Brunt and Phillips are brilliant with their deliveries.  So hard to defend against corners of that quality and pace.   The key is that other clubs can only actually practice how to defend against it if they themselves have players who can whip in corners like that!
Agreed, and yesterday Chadli, and Mcclean were excellent with their deliveries from corners too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 19, 2017, 12:55:09 PM
You TP hater`s really are hard to please this season we have played some of the best football seen at the Hawthorns for a few years yet still you think he`s no good .Abiondaz seems to think we are a long ball team do you mean like the long ball down the line for Chadi to run onto or the long ball that McClean ran onto no sorry they wer`nt long balls for Rondon they must have been them them long endless punts upfield We showed how counter attacking football should be played yet to some we are a long ball aimless punt team some fans should stop there endless criticism it`s` not warranted at this point in time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on March 19, 2017, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: wba13 on March 19, 2017, 12:55:09 PM
You TP hater`s really are hard to please this season we have played some of the best football seen at the Hawthorns for a few years yet still you think he`s no good .Abiondaz seems to think we are a long ball team do you mean like the long ball down the line for Chadi to run onto or the long ball that McClean ran onto no sorry they wer`nt long balls for Rondon they must have been them them long endless punts upfield We showed how counter attacking football should be played yet to some we are a long ball aimless punt team some fans should stop there endless criticism it`s` not warranted at this point in time
Why don't you read my post properly,you know damn well what I mean,I never mentioned direct passes.Also I never mentioned yesterdays game,but the long punt's upfield,usually to our solitary striker,since TP took over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on March 19, 2017, 01:48:16 PM
Also like to add I don't hate TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 19, 2017, 02:20:34 PM
Quote from: wba13 on March 18, 2017, 11:24:09 PM
If any of YOU supporter`s are still staying away because of TP more fool you you are missing some master classes in how to counter attack we had more shots more attacking threat but again less possession as for some of the fan`s still having a go at TP in my opinion you are mugs as you can`t see a good manager when when he`s staring you in the face as 68 said your quiet tonight
Sorry to say this but you really are a sanctimonious, pompous backside, I have stayed away but came back for palace, it was rubbish, the football was rubbish, the atmosphere was rubbish there was nothing to commend it and at @ £100. so I chose not to rush back yesterday.
There is no doubt that today we were the "other" albion, my loss end of !

So, can I a) afford b) justify the time / cash to maybe get entertained ? thats a decision I wrestle with weekly.

Do I still love West Brom, of course i do and I don't need some knob telling me that I'm less of  a fan, I recognise that I am, but thats my choice of priorities in life. Your constant sniping and be-littling of people like me is very very freaking annoying and achieves naff all, so please stop it !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2017, 03:24:37 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 19, 2017, 02:20:34 PM
Sorry to say this but you really are a sanctimonious, pompous backside, I have stayed away but came back for palace, it was rubbish, the football was rubbish, the atmosphere was rubbish there was nothing to commend it and at @ £100. so I chose not to rush back yesterday.
There is no doubt that today we were the "other" albion, my loss end of !

So, can I a) afford b) justify the time / cash to maybe get entertained ? thats a decision I wrestle with weekly.

Do I still love West Brom, of course i do and I don't need some knob telling me that I'm less of  a fan, I recognise that I am, but thats my choice of priorities in life. Your constant sniping and be-littling of people like me is very very freaking annoying and achieves naff all, so please stop it !

Well said.

Personally, I'm against booing, & I'm certainly against justifying booing because "I've paid my money & I can do what I like".
For me booing doesn't help, it only hinders.

On the other hand, on this forum, I have an opinion, & my opinion is no less or more valid than any other opinion.

On the topic of Tony Pulis, I think what he has done for WBAFC since his arrival is OK, but, like others on this forum, I also think he has his limitations & is not Corberan that some would have you believe.

I have no idea what Guochuan Lai wants from WBAFC, but I would think it's something other than perpetual Premier League survival, & you would think he would want to win a trophy of some sort.

There are also some members of this forum who have an excellent grasp of football tactics, (considerably better than mine), & put forward some very good arguments as to why Tony Pulis has tactical limitations, & particularly in respect to tournament football.

I live about 20 miles away from the Hawthorns, & there's only me to pay for, but I could see that if somebody has to travel huge distances, (& I know of at least one member who comes from the Isle of Wight), then entertainment would be a significant factor in making the decision on attending matches.

So I agree with Albionic, sanctimonious comments do tend to grate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 19, 2017, 03:27:06 PM
A**e am I look in the mirror mate and all you`ll see is an a**e I don`t pick and choose matches this a**e goes every wk and does`nt need a**e`s like you to tell what I can and can`t say In my  opinion what I said in that post is totally true If you went to more matches you would find out for yourself. As for daz did read your post properly and gave you the answer it deserved  we do not play direct and we don`t hit pointless punt`s upfield and the way you are criticising our style of play it sounds like your a TP hater. Anyway you can all think what you like won`t `change my opinion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 19, 2017, 03:38:41 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 19, 2017, 03:24:37 PM
Well said.

Personally, I'm against booing, & I'm certainly against justifying booing because "I've paid my money & I can do what I like".
For me booing doesn't help, it only hinders.

On the other hand, on this forum, I have an opinion, & my opinion is no less or more valid than any other opinion.

On the topic of Tony Pulis, I think what he has done for WBAFC since his arrival is OK, but, like others on this forum, I also think he has his limitations & is not Corberan that some would have you believe.

I have no idea what Guochuan Lai wants from WBAFC, but I would think it's something other than perpetual Premier League survival, & you would think he would want to win a trophy of some sort.

There are also some members of this forum who have an excellent grasp of football tactics, (considerably better than mine), & put forward some very good arguments as to why Tony Pulis has tactical limitations, & particularly in respect to tournament football.

I live about 20 miles away from the Hawthorns, & there's only me to pay for, but I could see that if somebody has to travel huge distances, (& I know of at least one member who comes from the Isle of Wight), then entertainment would be a significant factor in making the decision on attending matches.

So I agree with Albionic, sanctimonious comments do tend to grate

ALL of that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 19, 2017, 03:45:01 PM
Cut out the petty insults lads there's simply no need for name calling it feels like being back at school. Any further posts in that manner will be removed, differing opinions and personal circumstances don't mean anyone is less of a fan than someone else for crying out loud.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 19, 2017, 03:47:20 PM
To be fair we do play direct, and did yesterday. We also hit a lot of punts forwards too. Nothing wrong with it when it works, but when we aren't winning it does leave the fans feeling short-changed and can see why some choose to stay away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 19, 2017, 03:54:06 PM
The complaining about style of play was fully justified last season in my view and you could argue that it was for the first few games of this season too. Overall I don't see how many can have complaints about it now we have some better players to make it more affective and pleasing on the eye.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 19, 2017, 04:01:56 PM
Sorry about that B_H_Baggie just defending myself against  a site Donator and senior baggie . and if they watched our style of play over the last few months we use the channel`s a lot more than any long ball with the width of our Full Backs and Winger`s are giving us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 19, 2017, 04:08:29 PM
We do sometimes have to hit it long and we tend to try and play it in the channels when we do.  It's mainly because we sit deep and hit on the counter.  We certainly aren't a normal long ball team.

I still find it amazing that someone can think Pulis has only done 'ok' though.  We look better now than any other recent time I can remember. If folk aren't happy with how things are then I'm not sure they could have been happy for the last 25 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 19, 2017, 04:14:08 PM
While I agree we have improved this season and played some good stuff, including yesterday, to say we aren't a long ball team is a bit strange. We've played the 5th highest amount of long balls and the lowest amount of passes completed and possession in the league! If that isn't a long ball team then I don't know what is..

Nothing against it, as it's clearly worked for us, just don't get this 'not a long ball team' stuff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2017, 04:31:30 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on March 19, 2017, 04:08:29 PM
We do sometimes have to hit it long and we tend to try and play it in the channels when we do.  It's mainly because we sit deep and hit on the counter.  We certainly aren't a normal long ball team.

I still find it amazing that someone can think Pulis has only done 'ok' though.  We look better now than any other recent time I can remember. If folk aren't happy with how things are then I'm not sure they could have been happy for the last 25 years.

If we were still in the Jeremy Peace era, Tony Pulis has done a marvelous job, but we're not, we're now in a different era. An era where the Chinese nation is expected to put it's stamp on global football.
From that perspective, Pulis has done OK, but longer term, I'm expecting better.

What I'm not expecting is Gauchaun Lai to throw money at it in the hope of a miracle, what I am expecting is constant, sustained improvement. As a consequence of that, at some stage, Tony Pulis, along with a number of other key personell in the organisation, will have outlived their usefulness.

If we've reached a plateau & push on from there then I'm happy, if this is as good as it gets, then no I'm not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 19, 2017, 04:43:42 PM
It's a bit soon to judge this era, from what I've seen it's more of the same - we've not exactly pushed the boat out.  I think the danger is thinking that this is us as a top 10 team now. We've had a great season, regardless of what happens now, and I think the next stage is for us to make that a regular thing.  It takes time to improve so I think we need to be patient.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 19, 2017, 04:51:25 PM
Quote from: wba13 on March 19, 2017, 04:01:56 PM
Sorry about that B_H_Baggie just defending myself against  a site Donator and senior baggie . and if they watched our style of play over the last few months we use the channel`s a lot more than any long ball with the width of our Full Backs and Winger`s are giving us

Have your opinion and by all means express it, but don't take such a sneering "i'm better than you because i'm a real fan attitude" You might not recognise it, but it's very annoying (as no doubt am I) and achieves naff all but winding folks up.
Anyway thats all I'm going to say on this subject now.

COYB,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on March 19, 2017, 05:01:22 PM
I have never been a Pulis fan. I'd be a hypocrite if I suddenly changed my mind, after what I always said watching his Stoke teams come down and drain the life out of the game.  However,  the syle of play is very dependant on the players at your disposal.  I think buying and playing Chadli and Philips makes you more entertaining as a team. Any team fielding this kind of player is going to be more entertaining than one playing with holding players in their places. You thereore have to give TP credit  for bringing them in rather than just standard holding midfielders or defensive wingers.

His tactics though are still mainly about closing the game down, playing very deep, and relying on counters to nick goals. The problem comes when we go behind in a game, because then the opposition can play deeper and our team is not naturally able to dominate the midfield. However, if his system gets the results, as this team is now, and we are not just scoring maximum one goal a game, then he deserves credit. His teams will never be up there as one of the top entertainers in the league, but I hope at least the style of football will improve further, which it will if we invest in some more Chadli or Phillips type players, who can get you out of your seat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 19, 2017, 06:10:37 PM
Ok albionic I will try to tone myself down and respect other poster`s opinion`s but please try not to swear at at other poster`s as i find that offensive and not needed. Boing Boing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 19, 2017, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: wba13 on March 19, 2017, 06:10:37 PM
Ok albionic I will try to tone myself down and respect other poster`s opinion`s but please try not to swear at at other poster`s as i find that offensive and not needed. Boing Boing

Sorry chap, didn't realise I had but your right there is no need for that !

SOTV ( dammit i did it again !, sure you'll let that one go though  ;) )
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on March 19, 2017, 07:20:58 PM
Quote from: wba13 on March 19, 2017, 03:27:06 PM
A**e am I look in the mirror mate and all you`ll see is an a**e I don`t pick and choose matches this a**e goes every wk and does`nt need a**e`s like you to tell what I can and can`t say In my  opinion what I said in that post is totally true If you went to more matches you would find out for yourself. As for daz did read your post properly and gave you the answer it deserved  we do not play direct and we don`t hit pointless punt`s upfield and the way you are criticising our style of play it sounds like your a TP hater. Anyway you can all think what you like won`t `change my opinion
I go to all the games aswell mate but i see a different game to you, do we not boot it long out of defense for Rondon to hold it up for other players to get forward and when he doesn't we are back under pressure again? Or do we play it from the back through midfield then up to the forward? Urh thought not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on March 19, 2017, 07:23:23 PM
I forgot to say, I'm not saying i agree or disagree with the way we play but what i see is totally different to what you see!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on March 19, 2017, 07:35:02 PM
One thing I think the new owners may look at is our inability to attract crowds. We are the only premier league team in the locality, and so there is an opportunity to pick up casual spectators, younger spectators etc. who then may become longer term fans. I suspect we are not doing this, the attendance figures would seem to support that. Pulis style football will not attract neutrals or families looking for a  premier league game experience. We may have one more season as the only representative, fair chance one of the others will do something soon, and an opportunity to attract new fans will have gone.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 19, 2017, 09:22:54 PM
To true you see it different to me even MOTD showed just how well we used the channel`s  you play to your opponent`s weaknesses at that was running the channel`s and corners so each match is different and TP knows how to exploit a lot of teams weaknesses You can keep your possesion football if you use it like Arsenal did they could not get round the back ofus
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on March 19, 2017, 10:41:12 PM
Did we achieve survival by the end of February? YES
Are we a better side than when TP took over? YES
Are we more attractive to watch than last season? YES
Will we have achieved our highest PL points total? PROBABLY
Do we seem to be making steady progress? YES
And yet there are people still critical. We are building a bit at a time and thats the way we have to do it at a club of our size. It is a gradual process.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 20, 2017, 05:22:27 AM
Quote from: timdon on March 19, 2017, 10:41:12 PM
Did we achieve survival by the end of February? YES
Are we a better side than when TP took over? YES
Are we more attractive to watch than last season? YES
Will we have achieved our highest PL points total? PROBABLY
Do we seem to be making steady progress? YES
And yet there are people still critical. We are building a bit at a time and thats the way we have to do it at a club of our size. It is a gradual process.
Good post
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lickey baggies on March 20, 2017, 06:50:08 AM
Yes agreed great post above.
I still cannot see or understand some of the negative drivel  put on here but i suppose it's all about opinions and we have to respect that but these people seem to be looking for a reason not to attend, maybe they can't afford it or their missis won't let them I dunnow  but you can't blame TP for what he is doing with us. I hear the word entertainment banded about  what do you want as entertainment ? Who would you like to get in to replace the regime that we have now ? Go and see ant n Dec if you want to be entertained ! . I'm being entertained, originally what did TP have to work with ? He was given a plan to avoid relegation and stabilise our position in prem until the club was sold . We are steadily getting better quality players in which in turn is adding quality to our football. Yes there are bad days on the pitch but I think you have to have a pragmatic view of where we have come from. It's all pert of a big day for me whether home or away wether having drinks before hand or banter on the train.  Have a look below us and see where we could be. Come on you baggies !



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on March 20, 2017, 07:28:18 AM
Quote from: wba13 on March 19, 2017, 09:22:54 PM
To true you see it different to me even MOTD showed just how well we used the channel`s  you play to your opponent`s weaknesses at that was running the channel`s and corners so each match is different and TP knows how to exploit a lot of teams weaknesses You can keep your possesion football if you use it like Arsenal did they could not get round the back ofus
I like reading your posts they make me laugh i replied to your post were you stated we don't play the long ball, now in this post you say you can keep your possession football! A bit contradictory so which is it? I'll also state again I'm not moaning i am just disagreeing with you about the way we play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 20, 2017, 07:54:44 AM
Quote from: lickey baggies on March 20, 2017, 06:50:08 AM
Yes agreed great post above.
I still cannot see or understand some of the negative drivel  put on here but i suppose it's all about opinions and we have to respect that but these people seem to be looking for a reason not to attend, maybe they can't afford it or their missis won't let them I dunnow  but you can't blame TP for what he is doing with us. I hear the word entertainment banded about  what do you want as entertainment ? Who would you like to get in to replace the regime that we have now ? Go and see ant n Dec if you want to be entertained ! . I'm being entertained, originally what did TP have to work with ? He was given a plan to avoid relegation and stabilise our position in prem until the club was sold . We are steadily getting better quality players in which in turn is adding quality to our football. Yes there are bad days on the pitch but I think you have to have a pragmatic view of where we have come from. It's all pert of a big day for me whether home or away wether having drinks before hand or banter on the train.  Have a look below us and see where we could be. Come on you baggies !

I have sat through virtually every minute of football at the Hawthorns since he came. I never thought I would not renew my season ticket regardless of what happened at the club but I thought about this year and I would not have returned for the odd game. I am fortunate that I can afford it and oddly enough it was my partner who pushed me to renew and if she hadn't I probably wouldn't.  I have never spent £1,000 with such a heavy heart.

A lot of long term season ticket holders felt the same way and didn't renew. Will they come back? I'm not sure they will I don't think his supporters understand how much his footballing style is disliked. I absolutely hate the aimless hoofs up field the timidity on the ball the time wasting from the get go. Oddly enough the better the players we sign the more I hate it because the less reason there is for it.

Results have improved but unfortunately for him (and here he has probably just been unlucky) he has lost virtually every game that has mattered to the fans since he arrived. The Villa games in his 1st season. Reading last Derby, Palace and Everton this. Results are the only thing that he offers and to lure fans back it really has to be exceptional not just a bit better than we might expect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 20, 2017, 08:46:49 AM
I never cease to be amazed by peoples expectations, as a comparison, we are in a race with other cars, we are driving a very decent Audi A4, but the likes of Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea etc are driving Ferrari's, what do you expect the outcome will be if we try to compete with them in the same way.

Enjoy what you have, not what you want.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 20, 2017, 08:57:26 AM
What worries me is i wasnt fussed i didnt bother to go on Saturday after we won.10 years ago i would have been gutted to have missed us beat teams like Arsenal.20 years of M5 travelling from Exeter along with the premier league becoming a cash cow for greedy footballers chairman etc. its killing my desire for the game of football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 20, 2017, 09:09:01 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on March 20, 2017, 08:57:26 AM
What worries me is i wasnt fussed i didnt bother to go on Saturday after we won.10 years ago i would have been gutted to have missed us beat teams like Arsenal.20 years of M5 travelling from Exeter along with the premier league becoming a cash cow for greedy footballers chairman etc. its killing my desire for the game of football

Travelling the distance you do will always lose its appeal eventually as you get older, I really enjoy my 6 - 8 weekends a year following my team, but I could not do it every week both for financial and enjoyment reasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 20, 2017, 09:14:17 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 20, 2017, 09:09:01 AM
Travelling the distance you do will always lose its appeal eventually as you get older, I really enjoy my 6 - 8 weekends a year following my team, but I could not do it every week both for financial and enjoyment reasons.


You are most likely correct re travel and getting older. one more season ticket and hopefully like you 6 games a season via areoplane
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 20, 2017, 09:15:44 AM
Yeah, I don't think it's all down to Pulis, a lot of fans have fallen out with the game due to the Permiership 'way' - other club's fans make the same comments.  It's easy to see where it comes from, it's all about money, the chances of cracking the top six are, even with big investment, years and years away.  There's no attachment to players any more, etc.

It's a shame that people go on about the 'aimless punts' though.  The results aren't just a little bit better, they're a LOT better than we expected.  I don't think there's enough credit being given because people have a personal dislike of Pulis.

The only way the "entertainment above all" fans will get what they want is if we end up relegated, keep hold of our players and get a new manager in.  That success (lol) will be short lived. 

How many teams in the Premiership play exciting, attacking football with any degree of success?  Now what are their transfer fees and wage bills like in comparison to ours?  And what about their league position?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 20, 2017, 09:25:57 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on March 20, 2017, 09:15:44 AM
Yeah, I don't think it's all down to Pulis, a lot of fans have fallen out with the game due to the Permiership 'way' - other club's fans make the same comments.  It's easy to see where it comes from, it's all about money, the chances of cracking the top six are, even with big investment, years and years away.  There's no attachment to players any more, etc.

It's a shame that people go on about the 'aimless punts' though.  The results aren't just a little bit better, they're a LOT better than we expected.  I don't think there's enough credit being given because people have a personal dislike of Pulis.

The only way the "entertainment above all" fans will get what they want is if we end up relegated, keep hold of our players and get a new manager in.  That success (lol) will be short lived. 

How many teams in the Premiership play exciting, attacking football with any degree of success?  Now what are their transfer fees and wage bills like in comparison to ours?  And what about their league position?

Exactly right, I was going to post the same thing but could not be bothered, its mostly about attitude, I also am no lover of the Premier League 'crooked product', but it is what it is, a positive and cheerful attitude is the most important thing in life, if you can not carry that into watching the Albion with our best team in 30 years, its probably time to ditch the moaning and find something else to do on a Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on March 20, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
I know people put a lot of stock in the cups so I thought I'd look at recent FA Cup winners.  You've got to go back to the late 70's to find a time when it was truly competitive.

The current top 7 have dominated it since then with only 4 other teams winning it. 

If we really want to compete for the cups then we need to compete with those teams which, for me, means being able to finish top 10 season in, season out.  We are getting there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 20, 2017, 01:31:03 PM
Will this one make you laugh 59  A long ball is where you hit it long from the back aiming to get it as far upfield as you can  and a ball down the channel is slide rule pass hit down the line for your wingers or fullbacks to run onto  thats not possession football its breaking quickly and inteligently .so I am not contradicting anything
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 20, 2017, 02:08:36 PM
Quote from: wba13 on March 20, 2017, 01:31:03 PM
Will this one make you laugh 59  A long ball is where you hit it long from the back aiming to get it as far upfield as you can  and a ball down the channel is slide rule pass hit down the line for your wingers or fullbacks to run onto  thats not possession football its breaking quickly and inteligently .so I am not contradicting anything

I always thought the channels were the old-fashioned inside left & inside right channels (numbers 10 and 8 ). Essentially between the full back & centre back.

For us, Chadli & Morrisson play there.

We sometimes thread the ball through the channels, but a major part of our game plan is a long pass to Rondon for him to lay-off to players running the channels, together with wide players crossing balls from the bye-line.
IMO we don't have the players with sufficient technical ability to work the channels in the same way that the top clubs do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 20, 2017, 02:38:02 PM
Sorry baggie john but were you there on Saturday we kept cutting them open by using the channels as shown on MOTD 1st Goal came from a run from McClean though the channel and a save from Chec we scored from the corner A Kanu chance came when Brunt hit a beauty of a ball though the channel and a save by the keeper and pepole rave about passes by the likes of Fabragas and Silva but the pass over the top by Chadli  for McClean to set up our 2nd goal was brilliant and did`nt get a mention so just  we don`t alway`s hit long balls we play some bloody good counter attacking football at times
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on March 20, 2017, 03:02:13 PM
Counter attacking football is our game. The major part of our game is a long ball to Rondon who then lays it off to people running down the channels. We do sometimes thread the ball through the channels, but it's the exception rather than the rule.

Our strengths lie in working hard & being organised, particularly at set pieces.

Where we're better this season, is, in Johnny Evans we have a centre back who can play an accurate long pass, Olsson couldn't.

Arsenal played into our hands on Saturday, they played a high line which meant getting behind them was easier, they also never pressed us at all, something that most other teams have done at the Hawthorns this season.

I was at the game & I did watch MOTD, I thought Brunt's pass to McLean was exquisite, but I also watched Rondon struggle for 45 minutes trying to make something happen from a series of long passes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 20, 2017, 03:13:30 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on March 20, 2017, 03:02:13 PM
Counter attacking football is our game. The major part of our game is a long ball to Rondon who then lays it off to people running down the channels. We do sometimes thread the ball through the channels, but it's the exception rather than the rule.

Our strengths lie in working hard & being organised, particularly at set pieces.

Where we're better this season, is, in Johnny Evans we have a centre back who can play an accurate long pass, Olsson couldn't.

Arsenal played into our hands on Saturday, they played a high line which meant getting behind them was easier, they also never pressed us at all, something that most other teams have done at the Hawthorns this season.

I was at the game & I did watch MOTD, I thought Brunt's pass to McLean was exquisite, but I also watched Rondon struggle for 45 minutes trying to make something happen from a series of long passes.

Think when this happens, you can see how much of a big part of our game this is and we tend to struggle until we change it up a bit. If Rondon is having one of his days where it all bounces off him, we struggle and the ball comes straight back at us more often than not
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on March 20, 2017, 06:40:33 PM
Whatever you think of how Rondon played and the way we were playing as a team, we still had approx. 5 shots on target 1st half to 1 or 2 for Arsenal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 20, 2017, 08:57:25 PM
Ok baggie john we will beg to differ but at least we are starting to look a useful outfit and we all nve Baggies to heart
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 20, 2017, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: wba13 on March 20, 2017, 08:57:25 PM
Ok baggie john we will beg to differ but at least we are starting to look a useful outfit and we all nve Baggies to heart
He is indeed mate. I had the pleasure of watching a game with him around the Bryan Robson/Mowbray era.
He is very analytical about the game/club as you can see by the quality of his posts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 20, 2017, 10:54:13 PM
There are a lot of good posters on here [I`m not one ] I hate fan`s running us down as you may have noticed but some are very articulate. The only thing that really gets `s my back up is the constant knocking of TP WE were in free fall when he took over not only has he stablised us he has taken the club forward we now play a decent brand of counter attacking football and are slowly getting the right players to take us forward but still some fans want him out. Don`t think they will ever be happy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 20, 2017, 11:14:13 PM
Quote from: wba13 on March 20, 2017, 10:54:13 PM
There are a lot of good posters on here [I`m not one ] I hate fan`s running us down as you may have noticed but some are very articulate. The only thing that really gets `s my back up is the constant knocking of TP WE were in free fall when he took over not only has he stablised us he has taken the club forward we now play a decent brand of counter attacking football and are slowly getting the right players to take us forward but still some fans want him out. Don`t think they will ever be happy
Yes much the way I have always thought. I used to get a lot of flack from posters who now complain of getting flack! When their dire predictions have not come to the result they seemed to desire. Some people know when a good builder is brought in some cannot see the wood.
You obviously have a sound grasp of what was needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 21, 2017, 12:55:55 AM
From John Percy in the Telegraph. TP to be offered a new contract and it looks like we are off to Asia in the summer.

Tony Pulis to be offered new West Brom contract this summer
West Brom are on course for their best Premier League points total
20 MARCH 2017 • 10:30PM
Tony Pulis will be offered a new contract by West Bromwich Albion this summer, as the club close in on their best ever Premier League points total.

Pulis is set for talks with chairman John Williams at the end of the season and is expected to agree improved terms, less than 12 months after signing his last deal.

The Albion head coach is on the verge of securing a top-ten finish and Williams is pushing for Pulis to be rewarded by the club’s owner Guochuan Lai.

Pulis met with Lai before Saturday’s 3-1 win over Arsenal and is understood to have also held initial discussions over the size of his budget for next season.

Albion spent £10million in January on Hull City midfielder Jake Livermore and funds will be made available again in the summer, with a central defender, striker and winger on the list of targets.

It represents a remarkable turnaround for the Welshman, 59, who was facing calls to be sacked from his own supporters at the start of the season. Albion are on course to beat their highest ever total of 49 points, achieved under Steve Clarke in the 2012/13 season, with nine games left to play.

Pulis said: “The game is all about results irrespective of what people do or don’t say. I have young managers ringing me up now and the advice is simple – you have to win games.

“If you don’t win games you will get criticism. I’ve always been one that accepts that criticism.”

Pulis will also take his squad to Hong Kong and China in July after agreeing to play in the Premier League Asia Trophy.

Liverpool, Leicester and super-rich Chinese Super League team Shanghai SIPG are also poised to play in the biennial friendly tournament.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on March 21, 2017, 02:07:28 AM
I think it's fair enough to add an extra year, probably helps recruiting players too I imagine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 21, 2017, 08:35:51 AM
Good news indeed, exactly what our club needs, stability, to build for the future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 21, 2017, 08:40:25 AM
Pleased that we'd like him to continue with the steady progress he's made.
A bit worried that he thinks we need a centre half, an upgrade would be nice in any position but we NEED a left back; then Nyom can play at right back and Dawson can move into the middle next to Evans with McAuley dropping to the bench.

Agree that we need a striker (or two) and a winger.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 21, 2017, 09:02:37 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on March 21, 2017, 08:40:25 AM
Pleased that we'd like him to continue with the steady progress he's made.
A bit worried that he thinks we need a centre half, an upgrade would be nice in any position but we NEED a left back; then Nyom can play at right back and Dawson can move into the middle next to Evans with McAuley dropping to the bench.

Agree that we need a striker (or two) and a winger.

I actually think Nyom is better at left back, so solid v Arsenal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba13 on March 21, 2017, 10:29:51 AM
Hope this is true and I`m sure it is because Percy pretty good on the Albion and I`m sure Mr Lai liked what he saw on Saturday,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 21, 2017, 12:43:32 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on March 21, 2017, 09:02:37 AM
I actually think Nyom is better at left back, so solid v Arsenal.

Pulis has said a number of times that Nyom prefers playing at left back
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on March 21, 2017, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on March 21, 2017, 12:43:32 PM
Pulis has said a number of times that Nyom prefers playing at left back

Hello TheBrom.
You've mentioned this before.

Was it during an interview?
I only ask because I have never seen it in print.

Not implying TP has not said such, but if you have a link to this anywhere it would be greatly appreciated.
Especially as it contradicts Nyom's quote:

“I prefer to play right-back, but playing left-back is nice because I learn a new position. He wants the full-back to attack so I try to attack as much as possible.”

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2017/03/09/football-a-universal-language-for-west-broms-allan-nyom/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2017/03/09/football-a-universal-language-for-west-broms-allan-nyom/)

Ed:

Just found this TheBrom:

TP

“The great thing about him is he’s moved from right-back to left-back and done exceptionally well.

“As a matter of fact, the one game we played him at right-back he did better at left-back than he did at right-back for us. He’s done well, we’re really pleased with Allan.”

If this is your source, it's saying that he's done well to adapt as opposed to saying.... 'a number of times that Nyom prefers playing at left back'.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/12/30/tony-pulis-says-losing-allan-nyom-for-january-would-be-a-big-blow/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/12/30/tony-pulis-says-losing-allan-nyom-for-january-would-be-a-big-blow/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sturb74 on March 21, 2017, 01:28:25 PM
A direct quote from Nyom at a charity event he attended was that "I prefer RB as my left foot isn't very good, but will play were I'm asked"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 21, 2017, 03:01:38 PM
SmethDan, Pulis said that on the Radio WM phone in:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-broms-tony-pulis-live-12637187

On cult hero Nyom

“He likes playing on the left and right,” says Pulis on the Cameroonian’s best position.

“I think he prefers the left which is strange because he’s right footed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 21, 2017, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 21, 2017, 03:01:38 PM
SmethDan, Pulis said that on the Radio WM phone in:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-broms-tony-pulis-live-12637187

On cult hero Nyom

“He likes playing on the left and right,” says Pulis on the Cameroonian’s best position.

“I think he prefers the left which is strange because he’s right footed.

Yep the radio phone-in was the interview I was referring to. Knew I'd heard it somewhere. Was starting to question myself then!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on March 21, 2017, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on March 21, 2017, 03:01:38 PM
SmethDan, Pulis said that on the Radio WM phone in:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-broms-tony-pulis-live-12637187

On cult hero Nyom

“He likes playing on the left and right,” says Pulis on the Cameroonian’s best position.

“I think he prefers the left which is strange because he’s right footed.

Cheers for the link.

Interestingly TP says 'I think he prefers the left which is strange because he's right footed'.

From the quote supplied he doesn't state it as fact.

To be honest I just think Nyom likes being in the team following the fall from grace at Watford.

Fair play to him for making the most of his move  8) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on March 21, 2017, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on March 21, 2017, 08:40:25 AM
Pleased that we'd like him to continue with the steady progress he's made.
A bit worried that he thinks we need a centre half, an upgrade would be nice in any position but we NEED a left back; then Nyom can play at right back and Dawson can move into the middle next to Evans with McAuley dropping to the bench.

Agree that we need a striker (or two) and a winger.
Would think another CH would be a priority soon, if Olsson departs this summer it leaves Evans, Dawson and McMauley so play any two and one on the bench would leave no cover if an injury or suspension popped up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on March 21, 2017, 06:40:28 PM
Good to see some of his charity work shown in the NBC series. Some of my friends from Stoke still talk about the stuff he continues to do up there for charity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 22, 2017, 06:55:25 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on March 21, 2017, 05:31:58 PM
Would think another CH would be a priority soon, if Olsson departs this summer it leaves Evans, Dawson and McMauley so play any two and one on the bench would leave no cover if an injury or suspension popped up.

I'm sure we'll make Wilson's loan a permanent (even though he hasn't had any game time) and Livermore played as a centre half for Hull earlier this season..and did it very well by all accounts. There's 2 for cover if needed. If a quality centre half becomes available then we'd be daft not to try and sign them but I'd rather we concentrated on areas that are in more urgent need of filling like left back, left wing and striker.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on March 22, 2017, 05:53:18 PM
Great news on TP. We are being built into a very solid outfit. Long may it and he continue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 23, 2017, 07:22:15 PM
Am i right in remembering that TP put stop to this? Or was it the medical team? Either way well done that man!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39370879
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on April 01, 2017, 06:32:58 PM
Yacob for chadil and fletcher going over to help dawson changed the game i think, good work from tony
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 01, 2017, 08:53:34 PM
It's a bit quiet here must have got another good result. Where's the posters who said Pulis and his players are always on the beach. Another myth about Pulis being proved wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on April 01, 2017, 09:13:03 PM
Quote from: Legend on April 01, 2017, 08:53:34 PM
It's a bit quiet here must have got another good result. Where's the posters who said Pulis and his players are always on the beach. Another myth about Pulis being proved wrong.

Not sure it's a myth. The evidence is there that his teams of every previous season have picked up a very low amount of points after the 40 mark.

That being said. Praise due for this season where it seems he's got th players fighting still. Think it says a lot that there's been so little posts on here when we've just taken a point at old Trafford. Shows how far we've come when that seems the norm and there aren't 10 threads saying how well we've done.

Long may it continue. We're certainly showing that we're no pushovers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on April 02, 2017, 01:53:56 AM
We do look cozy in 8th right now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on April 02, 2017, 12:48:09 PM
As Pulis plays in the style of Diego Simeone/Jose Mourinho (not at the same level, granted) I thought it useful to put up this video i've come across which goes into the tactics, i know some of us are tactics geeks and some aren't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lltJE4xDS_c&t=53s

I think the comparisons are very striking. It's not exactly the same and the 7 games last season without a shot on target got me very upset. But It's clear to see what he's trying.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 02, 2017, 05:21:20 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on April 02, 2017, 12:48:09 PM
As Pulis plays in the style of Diego Simeone/Jose Mourinho (not at the same level, granted) I thought it useful to put up this video i've come across which goes into the tactics, i know some of us are tactics geeks and some aren't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lltJE4xDS_c&t=53s

I think the comparisons are very striking. It's not exactly the same and the 7 games last season without a shot on target got me very upset. But It's clear to see what he's trying.

For sure without the ball the tactics are a carbon copy. The shape varies a little we generally don't set up with a
4-4-2 but we funnel back into the basic shape when our defensive block forms.

 Athleti have a much stronger squad certainly in relative terms to their domestic league and thus have to play through the midfield more than we do and as such enjoy a much higher level of possession in La Liga but this drops dramatically when they play either of the two Spanish giants or one of the better Champions League teams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on April 03, 2017, 06:55:34 PM
Is he signing this new deal or not  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on April 03, 2017, 09:15:21 PM
would he go to west ham if Bilic got the heave ho and they came calling?
He still lives down sarf !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 04, 2017, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: Albionic on April 03, 2017, 09:15:21 PM
would he go to west ham if Bilic got the heave ho and they came calling?
He still lives down sarf !

wrong question.

would West Ham go after Pulis ?

they still believe in 'the west ham way' whatever that is and they weren't happy with Big Sam when he was manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 04, 2017, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 04, 2017, 11:11:21 AM
wrong question.

would West Ham go after Pulis ?

they still believe in 'the west ham way' whatever that is and they weren't happy with Big Sam when he was manager.

The fans turned on Allardyce after a bit, they wouldn't give Pulis a day.

They were all told 'be careful what you wish for' when they got rid of Big Sam. Bilic got them into the Europa League. Food for thought.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on April 04, 2017, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on April 04, 2017, 12:46:05 PM
The fans turned on Allardyce after a bit, they wouldn't give Pulis a day.

They were all told 'be careful what you wish for' when they got rid of Big Sam. Bilic got them into the Europa League. Food for thought.

We could also say Bilic was able to kick on thanks to the solid foundations left behind by Allardyce.

Now those foundations are beginning to erode, Bilic finds himself 16 points worse off than last season and rumoured to be replaced by Jaap Stam.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 05, 2017, 11:02:48 PM
I buy a season ticket to be entertained and unfortunately I ain't being entertained. Until he starts entertaining me 8th position or not I won't be renewing , that's my decision and according to our poor attendances many others too. It's utterly boring football and I get fed up with him upping the opposition, just my humble after 40 years like


My seat for Saturday  behind the dug out free to somebody  local who can't afford to go to games , now there s a challenge , anyone interested pm me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chrisabbey on April 05, 2017, 11:35:25 PM
Yep! Best thing for everyone is if you dont come, I would then hope the club (next season give tickets away to underprivileged kids off local council estates who would love to come and would thoroughly enjoy it and support this premier league team!! How on earth anybody hasn't enjoyed this season at the hawthorns having scored 4,4,3,3,3,3,2,2 is beyond me, but its about opinions and a number of people think Irvine,Mel,Clarke,little,smith,Gould,burkinshaw,Talbot et al have provided footballing entertainment worthy of purchasing a season ticket over the past 40 years , that's fine as I say its all about opinions!!!Peoples aren't being entertained this season because they don't want to be entertained, minds have been made up from day one and that's it never to be changed!! Pulis is here to build the base after a succession of hopeless managers, he wont be here forever . Pulis pulveriser's as usually don't make much sense, using bilic as an example 😂, on a night he's just lost 5 out of 5 and his team is having an absolute shocker!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 05, 2017, 11:37:29 PM
Quote from: chrisabbey on April 05, 2017, 11:35:25 PM
Yep! Best thing for everyone is if you dont come, I would then hope the club give your ticket away to underprivileged kids off local council estates who would love to come and would thoroughly enjoy it and support this premier league team!! How on earth anybody hasn't enjoyed this season at the hawthorns having scored 4,4,3,3,3,3,2,2 is beyond me, but its about opinions and a number of people think Irvine,Mel,Clarke,little,smith,Gould,burkinshaw,Talbot et al have provided footballing entertainment worthy of purchasing a season ticket over the past 40 years , that's fine as I say its all about opinions!!!Peoples aren't being entertained this season because they don't want to be entertained, minds have been made up from day one and that's it never to be changed!! Pulis is here to build the base after a succession of hopeless managers, he wont be here forever . Pulis pulveriser's as usually don't make much sense, using bilic as an example 😂, on a night he's just lost 5 out of 5 and his team is having an absolute shocker!!


Evidence in the attendances like you say opinions and all that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chrisabbey on April 05, 2017, 11:53:08 PM
I cannot wait to see who our next managers going to be!! I'm looking forward to a boss who plays open attractive football, hardly ever loses, guarantees premier league status all this on the budget we currently have! But, your right the missing 2,000 are voting with their feet (for some reason), so having not missed a single one of them fans this year at home (9 wins to date, premier league wins not crappy championship), id give 2,000 free tickets to the schools on estates in west Bromwich,Tipton,Wednesbury,Oldbury,Smethwick,etc and fill the ground that way!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RuncornBaggie on April 06, 2017, 12:22:58 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 05, 2017, 11:02:48 PM
I buy a season ticket to be entertained and unfortunately I ain't being entertained. Until he starts entertaining me 8th position or not I won't be renewing , that's my decision and according to our poor attendances many others too. It's utterly boring football and I get fed up with him upping the opposition, just my humble after 40 years like


My seat for Saturday  behind the dug out free to somebody  local who can't afford to go to games , now there s a challenge , anyone interested pm me.
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 05, 2017, 11:33:05 PM
If we buy deeney I certainly won't renew
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 04, 2017, 11:47:25 AM
Are you renewing next season folks. i wont be. just fed up with travel, player power and agents, the money in the game etc

What is the reason going to be tomorrow for not renewing?!? 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on April 06, 2017, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 05, 2017, 11:37:29 PM

Evidence in the attendances like you say opinions and all that

I don't think anybody cares whether you renew or not, however your posts on this board may be downgraded as you will no longer have first hand knowledge of games at the Hawthorns :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on April 06, 2017, 02:11:34 PM
Devon says this every season, he'll end up renewing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on April 06, 2017, 02:36:57 PM
I can't understand anyone not being entertained by us this season. I've absolutely loved it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on April 06, 2017, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on April 06, 2017, 02:36:57 PM
I can't understand anyone not being entertained by us this season. I've absolutely loved it.

Same here, been a fantastic season. The ones who haven't enjoyed it, don't want to enjoy it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on April 06, 2017, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: chrisabbey on April 05, 2017, 11:53:08 PM
I cannot wait to see who our next managers going to be!! I'm looking forward to a boss who plays open attractive football, hardly ever loses, guarantees premier league status all this on the budget we currently have! But, your right the missing 2,000 are voting with their feet (for some reason), so having not missed a single one of them fans this year at home (9 wins to date, premier league wins not crappy championship), id give 2,000 free tickets to the schools on estates in west Bromwich,Tipton,Wednesbury,Oldbury,Smethwick,etc and fill the ground that way!
I am one of the missing 2,000 and I don't go because I'm not a hypocrite.
Cast your mind back to August 2011 we were playing Stoke at home under Roy and we played them off the park and then in the last minute Foster and Tamas had a howler and Ryan Shotton nipped in to score.
 I was in the Halfords at the time and to a man everybody was saying I don't know how them clayheads watch that garbage.
Oh how times have changed it's Albion now playing the garbage football but it's acceptable because it guarantees safety.
 Every one's entitled to their opinion and Pulis will always divide the fan base but everyone is allowed to vote with their feet at the end of the day football is an entertainment business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on April 06, 2017, 08:14:49 PM
Except we don't play anything like Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 06, 2017, 09:09:14 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on April 06, 2017, 08:14:49 PM
Except we don't play anything like Stoke.

Low Possession tick
High % of goals from set pieces tick
Time wasting tick
Long Ball tick
Low Shots tick
Little Creativity tick

If it quacks like a duck walks like a duck swims like a duck it probably is a duck
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 06, 2017, 09:29:07 PM
Quote from: Standaman on April 06, 2017, 09:09:14 PM
I
Low Possession tick
High % of goals from set pieces tick
Time wasting tick
Long Ball tick
Low Shots tick
Little Creativity tick

If it quacks like a duck walks like a duck swims like a duck it probably is a duck
Last season i'd have agreed , not now.
We create plenty , not so much long ball and i for one have been more than happy watching Chadli , Phillips, Brunt , Morrison play some very good stuff this season.
This is nothing like Stoke or his Palace sides in all honesty .
All entitled to their own view but its clear from your posts on here where you stand on TP mate!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on April 06, 2017, 09:54:36 PM
Exactly, Gouchan Lai only watches us against the top sides, John Williams is the one who sees us the most. Lets see if he signs this extension, apparently it will be signed soon. Lets see who he brings in with better investment this summer. He should do his remit for the season ie a top ten finish.

Most Takeovers result in a new manager being appointed...we buck the trend and stick with ours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on April 06, 2017, 09:56:44 PM
I personally thought he'd be off the end of this season, but obviously with how well we have done you cant really see it. He will more than likely be around for the two years, if as expected he gets this new contract. Will he see out those two years, it all depends on who he brings in to improve the team, as if the remit is a top ten finish, you'd need investment on good players to keep us there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 06, 2017, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on April 06, 2017, 06:04:49 PM
I am one of the missing 2,000 and I don't go because I'm not a hypocrite.
Cast your mind back to August 2011 we were playing Stoke at home under Roy and we played them off the park and then in the last minute Foster and Tamas had a howler and Ryan Shotton nipped in to score.
 I was in the Halfords at the time and to a man everybody was saying I don't know how them clayheads watch that garbage.
Oh how times have changed it's Albion now playing the garbage football but it's acceptable because it guarantees safety.
 Every one's entitled to their opinion and Pulis will always divide the fan base but everyone is allowed to vote with their feet at the end of the day football is an entertainment business.
I remember that game well , usual couldn't create against a Pulis Stoke side ...got frustrated and got sucker punched. He did to us more than once back then !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chrisabbey on April 06, 2017, 11:53:24 PM
Huntslet baggie, the only thing I need to cast my mind back to is Alan Irvine, who is the sort of manager along with pepe Mel and eventually Clarke who were on the verge of taking us back to the horror years of the mid/late 80's and the early/mid nineties!! What's the point in bringing up a game from 6 years ago? So Just because a number of frustrated fans slagged off the opposition manager after that game, means anybody now saying"pulis is doing a good job" is an hypocrite?? No real point in contributing again really as I feel its a argument that cannot ever be won no matter what. Pulis won't be here forever, lets hope our next manager is an even better one who plays entertaining brand of football as well as getting good results regularly !! But talking of hypocrisy if that next manager turns out to be another Mowbray (premier league), who plays so called good football, but finishes bottom or close to it , I hope the missing 2,000 don't moan or complain about it!! But lets hope the base is solid enough for that not to happen. Good luck to all the baggies supporters in the future, whatever the future holds for our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 07, 2017, 12:43:53 AM
Quote from: Dexy on April 06, 2017, 09:29:07 PM
Last season i'd have agreed , not now.
We create plenty , not so much long ball and i for one have been more than happy watching Chadli , Phillips, Brunt , Morrison play some very good stuff this season.
This is nothing like Stoke or his Palace sides in all honesty .
All entitled to their own view but its clear from your posts on here where you stand on TP mate!

Earlier in the season on this board I have tentatively suggested that maybe he is evolving tactically only to be shot down by the chorus of he hasn't change tactically it is because he has better players. Fair enough I looked again and his supporters are right. Fundamentally it is the same game plan sit deep pump balls down the channels for the forwards to chase. All the things I dislike about his football are still there.

Fair enough he has had his season of seasons but the better the players he has the less excuse he has for the lack of passing the lack of movement the static lines the inability to break teams down once they sit deep and give us the ball. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on April 07, 2017, 07:45:40 AM
For me suffering Pulis would only be worthwhile if we won something but we don't look like that's going to happen. I don't want us to get relegated but in all honesty we may as well finish 17th as 8th it makes no difference to me whatsoever.... I want to see us win something other than the Birmingham senior cup before Trump ends the world.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on April 07, 2017, 07:51:33 AM
The seasons finishing position is likely to be better than most expected as is in lots of respects to be applauded .

Moving forward the creativity issue is going to raise its head we have centre forwards who are barely scoring goals one of whom hasn't scored for 3 months .

As Tuesday nights fixture showed we struggle to break teams down when they score first and we don't have any idea what to do when teams sit back .

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 07, 2017, 08:19:12 AM
Quote from: Standaman on April 07, 2017, 12:43:53 AM
Earlier in the season on this board I have tentatively suggested that maybe he is evolving tactically only to be shot down by the chorus of he hasn't change tactically it is because he has better players. Fair enough I looked again and his supporters are right. Fundamentally it is the same game plan sit deep pump balls down the channels for the forwards to chase. All the things I dislike about his football are still there.

Fair enough he has had his season of seasons but the better the players he has the less excuse he has for the lack of passing the lack of movement the static lines the inability to break teams down once they sit deep and give us the ball.
I never went with the better players theory , it helps of course but i've never seen a Pulis side here or elewhere move the ball so well further up the pitch at times this season. As we have seen against the big boys we do revert to type which is frustrating but with gap in quality i do understand it.
For my money we play further up the pitch at our best , its certainly better to watch .
Another sign of change under Pulis is Nyom , other than being 6ft plus he's everything a Pulis type fullback isnt in previous years. I cant think of one previous Pulis defender whose quick , always looking to get up the pitch with the ball and always looking to join the attack.
That to me is a sign of change style wise of the team , will it last ? Im not sure but its certainly been a breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on April 07, 2017, 10:48:40 AM
Our approach to games hasn't changed - but I think our tactics have slightly.  We still look to keep it tight at the back and don't mind conceding possession in areas where we can't be hurt.  When we get the ball we try to attack but you do need quality players who do that - hence the improvement bringing in Phillips, Chadli, Brunt, Morrison.

At times though we press REALLY high up the pitch.  We have players closing down their back four and their keeper and forcing them to hit it long.  I like to see that and we didn't do it under early Pulis, we'd quickly fall back into position instead. 

It's nice having Phillips back, he's been our best attacking player this season and we've struggled a bit without him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: don1thedon on April 07, 2017, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on April 07, 2017, 10:48:40 AM
It's nice having Phillips back, he's been our best attacking player this season and we've struggled a bit without him.
Agree, it shows how thin our squad is that one player can affect our results this much. Big job for Tone to push us on (or even hold mid table?) in the coming months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 07, 2017, 12:24:58 PM
Has he bigged up the opposition this weekend yet
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 07, 2017, 12:42:55 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 07, 2017, 12:24:58 PM
Has he bigged up the opposition this weekend yet
like this?

"Southampton are a fantastic model. They bring lots of players through and recruitment has been brilliant - the boy (Manolo) Gabbiadini looks a smashing signing. He knows where the goal is.

"Southampton are a really good example to everyone on how to run a football club. They are a top-10 team, they have some brilliant players and it will be a tough game for us."


Read more at http://talksport.com/football/west-brom-manager-tony-pulis-hopeful-matt-phillips-will-be-fit-start-against-southampton#lwExmSrAwiUOC86p.99
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 07, 2017, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on April 07, 2017, 12:42:55 PM
like this?

"Southampton are a fantastic model. They bring lots of players through and recruitment has been brilliant - the boy (Manolo) Gabbiadini looks a smashing signing. He knows where the goal is.

"Southampton are a really good example to everyone on how to run a football club. They are a top-10 team, they have some brilliant players and it will be a tough game for us."


Read more at http://talksport.com/football/west-brom-manager-tony-pulis-hopeful-matt-phillips-will-be-fit-start-against-southampton#lwExmSrAwiUOC86p.99

Yes exactly like that, i thought we were a good example. he just loves bigging every team we play, i wonder why
His interviews are so predictable, boring like his football but hey we are 8th so why should i cry
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 07, 2017, 01:23:10 PM
I could have told him how smashing a signing Gabbiadini would be when we were linked with him.

If only he read my posts on here, I would make him a far better manager  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on April 07, 2017, 01:42:17 PM
Not really sure what you expect him to say in all honesty.

He is hardly going to say 'they are a rubbish club and we are going to batter them'. I know its predictable but it certainly isn't unique to TP, or the sport for that matter. Every team in this division deserves respect and all he is doing is exactly that.

As a matter of interest what would you like him to say? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on April 07, 2017, 02:05:34 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on April 07, 2017, 01:42:17 PM
Not really sure what you expect him to say in all honesty.

He is hardly going to say 'they are a rubbish club and we are going to batter them'. I know its predictable but it certainly isn't unique to TP, or the sport for that matter. Every team in this division deserves respect and all he is doing is exactly that.

As a matter of interest what would you like him to say?

That's true - no manager is going to say "they are cr@p and we're going to hammer them"
Imagine if Conte had said that before the Chelsea v Palace game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on April 07, 2017, 03:36:42 PM
It's a stupid stick to beat him with - no manager comes out before a game and slates the opposition.  What they say behind closed doors will be different.  To the media it's all pretty much bland sound bites so they don't get themselves into hot water.  I genuinely don't know what people would expect him to say.

WBAinDEVON, could you maybe highlight some of the manager comments in the prematch press conference from all the other games to show us what you'd rather he say please?  Just 1 from each manager per game will do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on April 07, 2017, 03:42:04 PM
Here's Pep's comments about Hull...

“I know this manager from when he was in Greece,” he told press.
“He is making an outstanding job.
“I like the way Hull play. They have players with a lot of talent and I admire the way they want to play.
“They are very offensive.”
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on April 07, 2017, 03:48:07 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on April 07, 2017, 03:42:04 PM
Here's Pep's comments about Hull...

“I know this manager from when he was in Greece,” he told press.
“He is making an outstanding job.
“I like the way Hull play. They have players with a lot of talent and I admire the way they want to play.
“They are very offensive.”

Who the hell does that Gardiola think he is giving a balanced and respectful appraisal of the opposition and their manager?

Sack the patronizing idiot as he clearly knows nothing about football, the bloody charlatan  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 07, 2017, 03:49:55 PM
Fail to see the importance of comments made at press conferences, Pulis plays them with a straight bat, what does it matter - we wouldn't even see them if the club didn't upload to youtube.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on April 07, 2017, 03:52:12 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 07, 2017, 12:53:18 PM
Yes exactly like that, i thought we were a good example. he just loves bigging every team we play, i wonder why
His interviews are so predictable, boring like his football but hey we are 8th so why should i cry

Look on the bright side Dev', another justification not to renew your season ticket.

Nice to see that you can take a positive out of TP's apparent negatives.

Excellent  ;D   ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 07, 2017, 03:53:52 PM
Wait am I hearing right?  WBAinDevon isn't renewing?  This is the 6th year on a trot? Say it ain't so
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on April 07, 2017, 03:57:30 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 07, 2017, 03:49:55 PM
Fail to see the importance of comments made at press conferences, Pulis plays them with a straight bat, what does it matter - we wouldn't even see them if the club didn't upload to youtube.

I don't even bother reading the official website for news any more because it's mainly bland PR friendly statements.  I can see why someone would be annoyed by them but it's a fact of the modern game now and certainly not something restricted to a few managers. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on April 07, 2017, 03:57:56 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on April 07, 2017, 03:53:52 PM
Wait am I hearing right?  WBAinDevon isn't renewing?  This is the 6th year on a trot? Say it ain't so

It ain't so........  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on April 07, 2017, 06:43:57 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on April 07, 2017, 03:36:42 PM
It's a stupid stick to beat him with - no manager comes out before a game and slates the opposition.  What they say behind closed doors will be different.  To the media it's all pretty much bland sound bites so they don't get themselves into hot water.  I genuinely don't know what people would expect him to say.

WBAinDEVON, could you maybe highlight some of the manager comments in the prematch press conference from all the other games to show us what you'd rather he say please?  Just 1 from each manager per game will do.

Maybe pick up his players by speaking highly of them like he does with the team we are against?

Not very convincing is it when your gaffer rates every single player we come up against higher than he does his own... including lower league teams in cup competitions.

You don't have to slate the other team to be able to praise your own team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 07, 2017, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on April 07, 2017, 06:43:57 PM
Maybe pick up his players by speaking highly of them like he does with the team we are against?

Not very convincing is it when your gaffer rates every single player we come up against higher than he does his own... including lower league teams in cup competitions.

You don't have to slate the other team to be able to praise your own team.
He ALWAYS praises his own team..... maybe it's your selective hearing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on April 07, 2017, 07:15:14 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on April 07, 2017, 07:08:52 PM
He ALWAYS praises his own team..... maybe it's your selective hearing.

I never said he doesn't... maybe that's your selective reading.  ::)

My point is, regardless of the team we play against... he makes out they are hundred times better than us and we are lucky if we get anything out the game.

He may praise his own team, but he will then go on and rabble his same boring sh*te over and over again every single interview about how great the other team is.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 07, 2017, 11:04:42 PM
his number of wanted new players is higher than the chairman talked about earlier in the year.
 http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/880252041?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on April 07, 2017, 11:16:54 PM
Adam. He does the same thing as every manager when it comes to PR before a game. No manager we ever get will say anything different.  You forget that a lot of the comments are answers to questions by journalists.  When asked "what do you think of southampton?" Hes not going to go on about the strength of our attacking options is he?

Honestly, go and look at every managers prematch press conferences for this weekend.  If what you say is true and it's a Pulis thing then you can quote the managers that you like hearing from.

We have no idea what he says to the players so we can't say that hes not boosting their confidence directly to them. Give the players some credit - they're not going to read the quotes in a newspaper about Southampton and think "crikey - the boss thinks they're great and we're not great". All week the players will be discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition.  It is quite literally their job.

If people are having to use this as a stick to beat the manager with it shows how desperate they're getting.  I told my spurs supporting mate about this criticism and he thought it was me winding him up it was that much of a joke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on April 08, 2017, 06:49:20 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on April 07, 2017, 11:16:54 PM
Adam. He does the same thing as every manager when it comes to PR before a game. No manager we ever get will say anything different.  You forget that a lot of the comments are answers to questions by journalists.  When asked "what do you think of southampton?" Hes not going to go on about the strength of our attacking options is he?

Honestly, go and look at every managers prematch press conferences for this weekend.  If what you say is true and it's a Pulis thing then you can quote the managers that you like hearing from.

We have no idea what he says to the players so we can't say that hes not boosting their confidence directly to them. Give the players some credit - they're not going to read the quotes in a newspaper about Southampton and think "crikey - the boss thinks they're great and we're not great". All week the players will be discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition.  It is quite literally their job.

If people are having to use this as a stick to beat the manager with it shows how desperate they're getting.  I told my spurs supporting mate about this criticism and he thought it was me winding him up it was that much of a joke.

Thank god - common sense at last.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on April 08, 2017, 05:26:29 PM
I've been a knocker of him. Today, Dawson, Evans and Nyom could've all grabbed a goal and needed composure and the blame can't fall at the boss' feet.

With lost two games i'd have hoped to pick up 3 or 4 points from after picking up 4 unlikely points previous to that, so we've levelled out really. Time for Tony to get the players to dig in and once again frustrate one of the top 4.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 08, 2017, 11:13:51 PM
We havent had a decent striker since Lukakku.

The team that ended the game today just start next game but dont think he will ever not start Fletcher.

To be fair, the team that started should have done more in the time. We just dont have the gameplan for when we have the ball.

Thats why, in my opinion, Chadli flounders a bit. He is used to getting a lot of touches but that just wont happen in this set up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on April 09, 2017, 12:52:23 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 08, 2017, 11:13:51 PM
We havent had a decent striker since Lukakku.

The team that ended the game today just start next game but dont think he will ever not start Fletcher.

To be fair, the team that started should have done more in the time. We just dont have the gameplan for when we have the ball.

Thats why, in my opinion, Chadli flounders a bit. He is used to getting a lot of touches but that just wont happen in this set up.

Now dont shoot me down because he is a fans favourite and i am a big fan myself but maybe the day Morrison leaves we may see Chadli in his best position (playing just behind the striker (s))  i think thats what its going to take before we see Chadli in that position. Same goes for Fletcher. I seriously dont see him not playing until the day he retires.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on April 09, 2017, 12:00:53 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 08, 2017, 11:13:51 PM
We havent had a decent striker since Lukakku.

The team that ended the game today just start next game but dont think he will ever not start Fletcher.

To be fair, the team that started should have done more in the time. We just dont have the gameplan for when we have the ball.

Thats why, in my opinion, Chadli flounders a bit. He is used to getting a lot of touches but that just wont happen in this set up.

Chadli was in possession of the ball on plenty of occasions yesterday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 09, 2017, 09:56:15 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on April 09, 2017, 12:00:53 PM
Chadli was in possession of the ball on plenty of occasions yesterday.

I thought the same.
 What frustrates me is that Chadli rarely looks to keep the ball and look around for passing opportunities he just quickly lays the ball off to the nearest player (quite often it's one of our players) if he doesn't make a pass he just tries a flick without really thinking about were the ball is going. I've been largely disappointed with him after a promising start.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on April 17, 2017, 05:03:17 PM
I see this coming season has the biggest season in his managerial career.
He has always been looked at has the "fix it" man which up to now has been ok, but after not getting backed in the transfer market at Crystal Palace he walked
(could that have been with a bigger budget he thought he could have made them a top 6 team}
 i just think/hope he sees this upcoming season has maybe his last chance to show everyone he can manage a bigger budget & get into the top 6.
Well heres hoping TP sees it that way to. :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on April 17, 2017, 05:10:07 PM
Quote from: geoff on April 17, 2017, 05:03:17 PM
I see this coming season has the biggest season in his managerial career.
He has always been looked at has the "fix it" man which up to now has been ok, but after not getting backed in the transfer market at Crystal Palace he walked
(could that have been with a bigger budget he thought he could have made them a top 6 team}
 i just think/hope he sees this upcoming season has maybe his last chance to show everyone he can manage a bigger budget & get into the top 6.
Well heres hoping TP sees it that way to. :-\
If he thought that, he would be deluded, and he isn't so he won't. Sorry to disappoint you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on April 17, 2017, 09:21:31 PM
Quote from: timdon on April 17, 2017, 05:10:07 PM
If he thought that, he would be deluded, and he isn't so he won't. Sorry to disappoint you

Ive been supporting the Baggies some 64+ years since i got smack on my backside by some doctor so i'm use to being disappointed in the going & not goings on at the Baggies. when next seasons transfer window closes one of us will be right so lets wait & see. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 17, 2017, 10:50:04 PM
Pulis has gone back to his very boring best of recent. He really needs to show his change come summer in the transfer market. We need cb lb winger and 2 strikers minimum. We can't afford him to just limit us to people with prem experience.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 18, 2017, 12:24:51 AM
Not been impressed with his team selection or tactics of late and I for one can't see him pushing us on to the next level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on April 18, 2017, 12:56:39 AM
Quote from: paulosull on April 18, 2017, 12:24:51 AM
Not been impressed with his team selection or tactics of late and I for one can't see him pushing us on to the next level.

If he continues has he has all his managerial i agree, Thats why i said next pre season window will be his biggest ever  he fancies trying to climb up the table & reinvent himself has a top manager & not a Mr Fix It. I used the walking away from Crystal Palace because he said "they wouldn't back him in the transfer market"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 18, 2017, 06:38:47 AM
Quote from: geoff on April 18, 2017, 12:56:39 AM
If he continues has he has all his managerial i agree, Thats why i said next pre season window will be his biggest ever  he fancies trying to climb up the table & reinvent himself has a top manager & not a Mr Fix It. I used the walking away from Crystal Palace because he said "they wouldn't back him in the transfer market"

I don't think there is any desire on his part to change his approach. He has long given up any hope of the big stage his brand of football is so toxic that the only way he would be appointed to any position is out desperation, which is why he got both his last 2 jobs.

He will be our manager until he has sustained run of poor form, falls out with the board (less likely with the £6m court case needing to be settled) or he empties the Hawthorns. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on April 18, 2017, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: geoff on April 17, 2017, 09:21:31 PM
Ive been supporting the Baggies some 64+ years since i got smack on my backside by some doctor so i'm use to being disappointed in the going & not goings on at the Baggies. when next seasons transfer window closes one of us will be right so lets wait & see. ;)
My first instinct was to say that we won't see who is right until the end of next season, even though I can tell you now it is very very very unlikely that we will finish in the top 6. But you also seem to imagine that Pulis will have a huge transfer budget available to him at the end of this season, which he won't, so I guess the top 6 dream will indeed be over by the end of the transfer window. Love your optimism though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on April 18, 2017, 10:37:43 AM
Quote from: timdon on April 18, 2017, 10:26:07 AM
My first instinct was to say that we won't see who is right until the end of next season, even though I can tell you now it is very very very unlikely that we will finish in the top 6. But you also seem to imagine that Pulis will have a huge transfer budget available to him at the end of this season, which he won't, so I guess the top 6 dream will indeed be over by the end of the transfer window. Love your optimism though

I'd call a top 6 spot 'the impossible dream'
We're 13 points behind 7th place at the moment to Everton.
They have the likes of Lukaku, Barkley, Davis, Mirallas. That's £100m+ worth of talent at there disposal.
From a business point of view the outlay isn't worth the gain.
Our focus should be on a top half finish every season and a good go at the domestic cups and see where that takes us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on April 18, 2017, 10:51:42 AM
Guys, I'm not a Puiis fan but he was the right man at the right time & at times has shown he can get the balance right.
Is he the right man for next season for me No but 100% he will still be in charge next season .
Next season will also show what Mr Lai he what's from his manager & the club.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on April 18, 2017, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on April 18, 2017, 10:37:43 AM
I'd call a top 6 spot 'the impossible dream'
We're 13 points behind 7th place at the moment to Everton.
They have the likes of Lukaku, Barkley, Davis, Mirallas. That's £100m+ worth of talent at there disposal.
From a business point of view the outlay isn't worth the gain.
Our focus should be on a top half finish every season and a good go at the domestic cups and see where that takes us.
Top 10 is not guaranteed yet. Southampton will probably finish above us and, unless we get our act together, so could Watford, Stoke and even Leicester so might end up finishing 12th which would be a travesty based on where we were 6 games ago.
Pulis will definitely be in charge next season, just hope we bring in the type of player to fit the counter attack style of earlier in the season and do not revert back to sitting deep.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 18, 2017, 11:51:52 AM
its important we stay grounded
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on April 18, 2017, 01:32:18 PM
Staying grounded will keep TP in his job. We may stay as an insignificant, if ugly, part of the premier league whilst he is here. He talks a good game for his own purposes. I am surprised by how many of our fans have been taken in by him and will still watch the type of football that, if any away team turned up at the Hawthorns and played, would be vilified. Looks like he is staying for a while. I will turn up for the cup ties in the vain hope that one day something exciting will happen.     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on April 18, 2017, 06:09:59 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 18, 2017, 11:51:52 AM
its important we stay grounded

Very true, as a club with the squad we have greatly overachieved this season.
So we need investment in our 1st Team not our squad in the next window. 3 players in the £20-£25 million bracket & more of the same the next season MIGHT see us becoming 8-6 place regular.
Thats where i would love us to be in 2019-2020 season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 18, 2017, 06:16:52 PM
Quote from: boingusmaximus on April 18, 2017, 01:32:18 PM
Staying grounded will keep TP in his job. We may stay as an insignificant, if ugly, part of the premier league whilst he is here. He talks a good game for his own purposes. I am surprised by how many of our fans have been taken in by him and will still watch the type of football that, if any away team turned up at the Hawthorns and played, would be vilified. Looks like he is staying for a while. I will turn up for the cup ties in the vain hope that one day something exciting will happen.   

The type of football we played in the league between November and March was decent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 21, 2017, 01:28:13 AM
The trend is still there with Tp get to the magical forty points and then struggle for remainder of season. What are the positions worth to Club's with new deal from broadcasters? Thought Tony had a strong hand going into negotiations for new contract and available transfer funds before the dip in form and if we don't stay in top ten Pulis might get new extension to contract  but outlay on player's might be curtailed

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 21, 2017, 07:07:55 AM
Quote from: paulosull on April 21, 2017, 01:28:13 AM
The trend is still there with Tp get to the magical forty points and then struggle for remainder of season. What are the positions worth to Club's with new deal from broadcasters? Thought Tony had a strong hand going into negotiations for new contract and available transfer funds before the dip in form and if we don't stay in top ten Pulis might get new extension to contract  but outlay on player's might be curtailed



The budget is the budget it won't vary depending on where we finish in the league table by much if anything, a lot of the merit payments go to the players by way of bonuses.

His contract is a different kettle of fish. On the one hand a top half finish is still more likely than not and that would probably get him an extension although a poor end to the season might see the board delay until the early part of next season. He's not going anywhere so there is little or no point in having him on a long contract it will only cost us more if we sack him.

Tony talking down the club and managing our expectations is all part of him keeping his job with the lowest level of achievement possible e.g. 40 to 50 points poor efforts in the cups and safety first football. He will not change our current position is not a platform to develop it is a danger to him because it comes close to raising the bar and making his life more difficult.

Part of me would love board to take leave of their collective senses and throw £100m at him just to see what happens and give him a new challenge in managing our expectations.

As ever I wouldn't expect a different manager to get better results but they might achieve them without the miserable hang dog conservatism that Tony Pulis embodies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2017, 08:29:59 AM
Did i hear correct he can still get us into Europe if Man U win the europa and we finish 8th
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 21, 2017, 08:34:52 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2017, 08:29:59 AM
Did i hear correct he can still get us into Europe if Man U win the europa and we finish 8th

I'm sure this has been gone over before but to my knowledge if they win the Europa League nothing will change, Premier League won't get an extra Europa League spot no matter what happens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2017, 08:36:09 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on April 21, 2017, 08:34:52 AM
I'm sure this has been gone over before but to my knowledge if they win the Europa League nothing will change, Premier League won't get an extra Europa League spot no matter what happens.


i heard it on WM phone in last night
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on April 21, 2017, 08:40:45 AM
Quote from: Standaman on April 21, 2017, 07:07:55 AM
The budget is the budget it won't vary depending on where we finish in the league table by much if anything, a lot of the merit payments go to the players by way of bonuses.

His contract is a different kettle of fish. On the one hand a top half finish is still more likely than not and that would probably get him an extension although a poor end to the season might see the board delay until the early part of next season. He's not going anywhere so there is little or no point in having him on a long contract it will only cost us more if we sack him.

Tony talking down the club and managing our expectations is all part of him keeping his job with the lowest level of achievement possible e.g. 40 to 50 points poor efforts in the cups and safety first football. He will not change our current position is not a platform to develop it is a danger to him because it comes close to raising the bar and making his life more difficult.

Part of me would love board to take leave of their collective senses and throw £100m at him just to see what happens and give him a new challenge in managing our expectations.

As ever I wouldn't expect a different manager to get better results but they might achieve them without the miserable hang dog conservatism that Tony Pulis embodies.

I agree with most of what you say Stan, & if you look at the remaining fixtures, it's hard to see us finishing lower than 10th, even if we don't win another game.
As a result, he will have met part of the challenge laid down by the board at the beginning of the season, & probably be offered an extension to his contract.

On the other hand, I can't imagine Guochuan Lai will have bought WBAFC for mid table mediocracy, & he will want to win something. As you say TP's conservatism, both in playing style & player selection, has caused him to paint himself into a corner.
IMO, at some stage, the board will want to appoint a head coach who can motivate a more eclectic group of players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on April 21, 2017, 09:12:27 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on April 21, 2017, 08:34:52 AM
I'm sure this has been gone over before but to my knowledge if they win the Europa League nothing will change, Premier League won't get an extra Europa League spot no matter what happens.

Yep that's true. We only have the 7 places in the league whatever happens
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2017, 09:16:59 AM
So why have WM touched on this everynight this week?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 21, 2017, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2017, 09:16:59 AM
So why have WM touched on this everynight this week?
because they barely understand the field the have built careers on?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on April 21, 2017, 09:31:57 AM
England will only have 7 European spaces whatever happens. 4 champions league and 3 Europa League.

If United win the Europa League it will be 5 Champions League and 2 Europa League
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 21, 2017, 09:55:06 AM
Also, we won't be finishing 8th so not really much point worrying too much about it, Southampton will catch us following a number of lackluster performances from our lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 21, 2017, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on April 21, 2017, 09:55:06 AM
Also, we won't be finishing 8th so not really much point worrying too much about it, Southampton will catch us following a number of lackluster performances from our lot.

Southampton have a number of tricky fixtures still to come: Chelsea away, Hull home, Liverpool away, Arsenal home, Boro away, Man Utd and Stoke home. Not so sure they will pick up a lot of points from those games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 21, 2017, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on April 21, 2017, 11:19:26 AM
Southampton have a number of tricky fixtures still to come: Chelsea away, Hull home, Liverpool away, Arsenal home, Boro away, Man Utd and Stoke home. Not so sure they will pick up a lot of points from those games.

I still fancy them to pick up more than we will, even with our relatively 'easier' fixture list, based upon what I have been watching of late.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on April 21, 2017, 04:04:38 PM
Personally think we'll get at least another 6 points
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 21, 2017, 04:42:39 PM
Surprised people are suggesting we have a favourable run in, to me our fixtures look tough. 

Leicester who are increasingly looking like last seasons version.
Burnley who have the 6th best home record in the league (better than United's and City's).
Chelsea and Man City.
And Swansea who will probably doing their damnedest to stay in the division on the last day.

I think a top 10 place is no way guaranteed, especially when you consider Southampton have 2 games in hand and Watford have hit some late season form (3 wins in their last 4).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2017, 06:54:06 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2017, 09:16:59 AM
So why have WM touched on this everynight this week?


Again tonight on WM if we finish 8th and Man U win the europa baggie Eddy this time said we will be in europe along with Franksie
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 21, 2017, 07:26:00 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2017, 06:54:06 PM

Again tonight on WM if we finish 8th and Man U win the europa baggie Eddy this time said we will be in europe along with Franksie
sure it was in the media that no matter who won what there would be no European spot for a team finishing 8th, hope they was wrong though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 22, 2017, 09:10:26 AM
Radio WM don't know their arses from their elbows. There will only ever be 7 European places for English clubs end of.

Getting back on topic.

Following on from what BaggieJohn was saying about mid table mediocrity and how that might impact Pulis' future. Here is where we get into a bit of a minefield of second guessing of what the owner wants from the club and what constitutes mid-table mediocrity or the dreaded next level.

Without substantial (£200m+ over and above what the club generates from it's current operations) investment it is probably unreasonable for Lai to demand a 8th place or better finish from a coach. There is nothing to suggest that level of investment will be forthcoming and I have never thought for a moment that it would be.

I think more realistically we are aiming for top half finishes cup runs and the holy grail of European football but without the level of investment that gives the owner the right to demand those things. All of which is entirely reasonable but the coach's future is a lot less clear cut. How far do we sink into the mid-table morass before it becomes unacceptable?

Does style matter? If we are trying to promote the club in China does anything other than our Premier League status matter or does  football that switches off TV audiences faster than a Party Political broadcast hamper our progress?

I honestly don't know the answers to these questions and until something happens that forces Lai to show his hand then I take it is survival first and anything else is a bonus and Pulis has a job for the foreseeable future.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on April 22, 2017, 05:19:11 PM
In normal circumstances, four UCL places are given to English clubs who fulfil the following criteria:

In normal circumstances, three UEL places are given to English clubs who fulfil the following criteria:


Where these qualifications changes

a) If the FA Cup winners finish in the top five of the Premier League, their UEL group stage place will go to the next-highest ranked team not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League.

b) If the EFL Cup winners finish in the top five of the Premier League (or top six if (a) happens), their UEL third qualifying round place will go to the next-highest ranked team not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League.

How qualification for English teams may change were United to win the UEL:


So basically because Man united won the EFL, that is their route into Europa league, but if they win the Europa league that gets them into the champions league (which eliminates them from Europa league) which adds 1 extra place for English teams to qualify (takes it to top 6)

If a top 5 team win the FA cup (either chelsea, spurs, man city ATM)... That then gives a place to the next highest ranked team (7th place)

Winners of the Europa league qualify for champions league... so if Man united win it this season that adds another place to qualify because they are already in europa league next season due to winning the EFL and they cant take part in both competitions!  (8th place)

Taken and explained from... https://www.premierleague.com/news/373663

We would have to be really lucky and other teams results go our way... but if we somehow manage to keep our 8th place til the end of the season.... European football is definitely possible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on April 22, 2017, 07:37:22 PM
Watford and Stoke losing means it's increasingly unlikely that they will pass us now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 22, 2017, 07:50:40 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on April 22, 2017, 07:37:22 PM
Watford and Stoke losing means it's increasingly unlikely that they will pass us now.
Watford's remaining games.... 4 of the 5 are against current top 6 sides and the other one against Leicester. They've tended to ship goals against the big boys so yes they will do well to get above us now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on April 23, 2017, 08:11:47 AM
I would personally consider renewing,if he gave the Younger players much more game time,didn't play his favourites so often,when there obviously either knackered,or not having an effect on the game,set up the team so the striker isn't so isolated for long periods.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on April 25, 2017, 08:31:20 AM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on April 23, 2017, 08:11:47 AM
I would personally consider renewing,if he gave the Younger players much more game time,didn't play his favourites so often,when there obviously either knackered,or not having an effect on the game,set up the team so the striker isn't so isolated for long periods.

So 8th place and lots of goals wasn't enough for you to renew?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 25, 2017, 08:39:18 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on April 25, 2017, 08:31:20 AM
So 8th place and lots of goals wasn't enough for you to renew?

I'm not sure 39 goals in 33 games is "lots of goals". 11 teams have scored more than us.
It does make you think how many we could have got with some decent goalscorers and baring in mind we have only scored in 1 of our last 7 games but have created plenty of chances in those games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on April 25, 2017, 09:22:51 AM
Tbf the finshing this second half of the season from all the players, not just the strikers, has been woeful. If we'd put away half the chances , we'd be top 10 scorers no doubt

The best part about being this well disciplined and drilled is that it isnt as temporary and flimsy as just pure form, unless the squad gets a case of the mowbrays over the summer, i cant see us lingering near the bottom 7 and if more clinical finshers come in, well what a exciting times to be an albion fan. Im 26 and this is the best its been in my lifetime
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ABaggie on April 25, 2017, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on April 22, 2017, 05:19:11 PM
In normal circumstances, four UCL places are given to English clubs who fulfil the following criteria:
  • The top three teams in the Premier League qualify for the group stage proper.
  • The fourth-placed team in the Premier League qualify for the play-off round.

In normal circumstances, three UEL places are given to English clubs who fulfil the following criteria:

  • The fifth-placed team in the Premier League qualify for the group stage proper.
  • The winners of the FA Cup qualify for the group stage proper.
  • The EFL Cup winners qualify for the third qualifying round.

Where these qualifications changes

a) If the FA Cup winners finish in the top five of the Premier League, their UEL group stage place will go to the next-highest ranked team not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League.

b) If the EFL Cup winners finish in the top five of the Premier League (or top six if (a) happens), their UEL third qualifying round place will go to the next-highest ranked team not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League.

How qualification for English teams may change were United to win the UEL:

  • If Man Utd win the UEL and finish in the top four of the Premier League, the top four PL teams will all qualify for the UCL group stage unless the 2016/17 UCL winners fail to qualify for the group stage via their domestic championship finishing position. Then Man Utd, as UEL winners, would go into the UCL play-off round stage.
  • If Man Utd win the UEL and finish outside the top four of the Premier League, the top three PL teams will qualify for the UCL group stage, the fourth-placed team will qualify for the UCL play-off round and Man Utd will qualify for the UCL group stage unless the 2016/17 UEFA Champions League winners fail to qualify for the group stage via their domestic championship finishing position. Then Man Utd would go into the UCL play-off round.
  • If Man Utd win the UEL their place in the UEL third qualifying round for winning the EFL Cup would go to the next-highest ranked team not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League.

So basically because Man united won the EFL, that is their route into Europa league, but if they win the Europa league that gets them into the champions league (which eliminates them from Europa league) which adds 1 extra place for English teams to qualify (takes it to top 6)

If a top 5 team win the FA cup (either chelsea, spurs, man city ATM)... That then gives a place to the next highest ranked team (7th place)

Winners of the Europa league qualify for champions league... so if Man united win it this season that adds another place to qualify because they are already in europa league next season due to winning the EFL and they cant take part in both competitions!  (8th place)

Taken and explained from... https://www.premierleague.com/news/373663

We would have to be really lucky and other teams results go our way... but if we somehow manage to keep our 8th place til the end of the season.... European football is definitely possible.

Unfortunately you have ignored the most straightforward statement on the link you have posted.....

                              "The maximum numbers of English teams in UEFA competitions is seven"

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 25, 2017, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: ABaggie on April 25, 2017, 01:25:39 PM
Unfortunately you have ignored the most straightforward statement on the link you have posted.....

                              "The maximum numbers of English teams in UEFA competitions is seven"


Haha.


Didn't even click the link because I knew the whole premise was wrong...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on April 25, 2017, 03:12:56 PM
Quote from: ABaggie on April 25, 2017, 01:25:39 PM
Unfortunately you have ignored the most straightforward statement on the link you have posted.....

                              "The maximum numbers of English teams in UEFA competitions is seven"

I also put in bold the key works... In Normal circumstances and Where these qualifications changes.

If the FA Cup winners finish in the top five of the Premier League, their UEL group stage place will go to the next-highest ranked team not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League.

If the EFL Cup winners finish in the top five of the Premier League (or top six if (a) happens), their UEL third qualifying round place will go to the next-highest ranked team not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League.

If Man Utd win the UEL their place in the UEL third qualifying round for winning the EFL Cup would go to the next-highest ranked team not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League.

Chelsea and Arsenal are in the final... whoever wins the FA Cup gets put into Europa league - that's one extra place if they both finish in the top 5. (Takes it to 6th place)

Manchester United have won the EFL Cup so aslong as they finish in the top 5 thats another place because they can't be entered into both the UCL and the UEL or more than one which is common sense. (Takes it to 7th place)

The winner of the UEL qualify for champions league, so if Manchester United win it... they are already qualified to compete in Europe due to winning the EFL cup so that adds another place. (Takes it to 8th place)

If a team qualifies for a Champions league/Europa league more than once (Man United for example... winning the EFL Cup and finishing top 5 - both of those achievements earn them a place... they can only fill one space )... It has to filter down to the next highest place that hasn't qualified for European football.

The limit is NOT seven, it is eight.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10253604/champions-league-and-europa-league-qualification-for-premier-league-teams-explained

No more than five clubs can enter the Champions League and no more than three can enter the Europa League from one national association. (5 + 3 = 8 )

We have the whole of the internet at our hands and people still can't use their initiative to do their research before telling people they are wrong.  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on April 25, 2017, 03:14:46 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 25, 2017, 02:32:27 PM

Haha.


Didn't even click the link because I knew the whole premise was wrong...

Really? so your saying the official premier league and sky sports websites are wrong?  ::)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 25, 2017, 03:34:34 PM
http://www.uefa.org/about-uefa/executive-committee/news/newsid=2226990.html

In addition, a number of competition regulations were approved by the Executive Committee, including those for the 2015–18 UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League. Mr Infantino made one clarification in terms of positions available in UEFA's club competitions for the new cycle.

"Clubs winning either the UEFA Champions League or the UEFA Europa League," he said, "will not add an extra place to the total number of places available for that association in the subsequent club competition season – with one exception.

"The only time an association can gain an additional place in the subsequent season's club competitions will be if one of their clubs wins either the UEFA Champions League or the UEFA Europa League and, at the same time, does not finish in a place in their domestic league or domestic cup which automatically grants a place in a UEFA club competition.

"It should also be stated," he added, "that an association with, for example, four places in the UEFA Champions League can increase their participation to five places should a club from their association win the UEFA Europa League in the previous season.

"If that club has already qualified for the UEFA Champions League via their domestic league, then the association remains with four places in the UEFA Champions League. If that club has already qualified for the UEFA Europa League via their domestic league, it results in five clubs participating in the UEFA Champions League, and two – not three – participating in the UEFA Europa League."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on April 25, 2017, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on April 25, 2017, 03:34:34 PM
http://www.uefa.org/about-uefa/executive-committee/news/newsid=2226990.html

In addition, a number of competition regulations were approved by the Executive Committee, including those for the 2015–18 UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League. Mr Infantino made one clarification in terms of positions available in UEFA's club competitions for the new cycle.

"Clubs winning either the UEFA Champions League or the UEFA Europa League," he said, "will not add an extra place to the total number of places available for that association in the subsequent club competition season – with one exception.

"The only time an association can gain an additional place in the subsequent season's club competitions will be if one of their clubs wins either the UEFA Champions League or the UEFA Europa League and, at the same time, does not finish in a place in their domestic league or domestic cup which automatically grants a place in a UEFA club competition.

"It should also be stated," he added, "that an association with, for example, four places in the UEFA Champions League can increase their participation to five places should a club from their association win the UEFA Europa League in the previous season.

"If that club has already qualified for the UEFA Champions League via their domestic league, then the association remains with four places in the UEFA Champions League. If that club has already qualified for the UEFA Europa League via their domestic league, it results in five clubs participating in the UEFA Champions League, and two – not three – participating in the UEFA Europa League."

Via the domestic league.

So what about the likes of United who could potentially qualify via winning Europa leauge (if they do) and the EFL cup (like they have)? That's nothing to do with where they are placed in the domestic league.

Same with if Chelsea were to win the FA Cup.

Obviously there are spaces available to the winners of the FA cup, EFL cup, UEL and UCL... along with finishing in certain places in the league table (for every league involved)... if a team were to qualify more than one way... how can it NOT filter down to the next highest team and still have the correct amount of teams in the competitions?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 25, 2017, 03:51:33 PM
Reads to me that the only thing that looks like it can change is England getting an extra Champions League place if United win Europa League and finish outside top 4. Then we would lose a Europa League place so we can only ever have 7 teams in European competition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: A5HB on April 25, 2017, 03:56:54 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on April 25, 2017, 03:39:06 PM
Via the domestic league.

So what about the likes of United who could potentially qualify via winning Europa leauge (if they do) and the EFL cup (like they have)? That's nothing to do with where they are placed in the domestic league.

Same with if Chelsea were to win the FA Cup.

Obviously there are spaces available to the winners of the FA cup, EFL cup, UEL and UCL... along with finishing in certain places in the league table (for every league involved)... if a team were to qualify more than one way... how can it NOT filter down to the next highest team and still have the correct amount of teams in the competitions?
UEFA effectively take the place away from the English sides for a year if we have already had the 7 qualifiers for Champions League and Europa League as either 4 CL and 3 EL or 5 CL and 2 EL. So if our top 4 qualify for the Champions League, 3 sides (either by cups or league position) make the Europa League and two non European qualifiers win the Europa League and the Champions League we have the potential for 9 places. We can't have that so you would see 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the Champions League plus Champions League winner and Europa League winner (they take priority). That would make our 5 Champions League Spots. We would then be allowed two Europa League places to fill our quota of 7 sides which would go to 4th and 5th on the League. Those who won cups or finished 6th and 7th would miss out.

So basically, whatever happens in this season or any other, 8th will never be a Europe League qualification place and actually the more European Places we will via the available routes the harder it becomes to qualify via the league. I think the only way to have 8 teams is with the 8th qualifying via the fair play league which might not even be a route anymore.

So this year there is the very real possibly that United finish outside the top 4 but win the Europa League. They would then become our 5th Champions League side and we'd lose 7th as a Europa League spot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 25, 2017, 06:37:58 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on April 25, 2017, 03:14:46 PM
Really? so your saying the official premier league and sky sports websites are wrong?  ::)


No mate, I'm saying your interpretation of it is wrong...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on April 25, 2017, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 25, 2017, 06:37:58 PM

No mate, I'm saying your interpretation of it is wrong...

I just copy and pasted from the official websites i mentioned, hence the reason asking if your saying they are wrong... which they possibly could be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ABaggie on April 25, 2017, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on April 25, 2017, 07:43:37 PM
I just copy and pasted from the official websites i mentioned, hence the reason asking if your saying they are wrong... which they possibly could be.
The official FA website you quoted clearly states that the maximum is seven. No qualification. No exception. Just the maximum is seven

As for Sky I wouldn't trust anything they say. This week they were hailing Real Madrid vs Barcelona as part of their great local derby week despite the distance from Madrid to Barcelona being roughly equal to the distance from Newcastle to Plymouth!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on April 26, 2017, 10:02:31 AM
Quote from: ABaggie on April 25, 2017, 11:08:38 PM
The official FA website you quoted clearly states that the maximum is seven. No qualification. No exception. Just the maximum is seven

As for Sky I wouldn't trust anything they say. This week they were hailing Real Madrid vs Barcelona as part of their great local derby week despite the distance from Madrid to Barcelona being roughly equal to the distance from Newcastle to Plymouth!

The official FA website I quoted also clearly states the maximum is seven in normal circumstances and then in brackets says (Please note UEFA reserves the right to change the conditions of the access list so these criteria can be subject to change.)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 26, 2017, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on April 26, 2017, 10:02:31 AM
The official FA website I quoted also clearly states the maximum is seven in normal circumstances and then in brackets says (Please note UEFA reserves the right to change the conditions of the access list so these criteria can be subject to change.)

My understanding is that the normal circumstances bit aplies to the 4 champions league and 3 europa league places. If Man utd qualify for the champions league by winning the Europa league then England would have 5 champions league places but only 2 Europa league places not the normal 4 and 3.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on April 26, 2017, 12:45:29 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on April 26, 2017, 10:40:19 AM
My understanding is that the normal circumstances bit aplies to the 4 champions league and 3 europa league places. If Man utd qualify for the champions league by winning the Europa league then England would have 5 champions league places but only 2 Europa league places not the normal 4 and 3.

That's all that it is, there is literally nothing else to it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 26, 2017, 02:37:24 PM
from todays Brummie mail

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-clearing-up-myths-12946759
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on April 26, 2017, 06:16:03 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on April 26, 2017, 02:37:24 PM
from todays Brummie mail

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-clearing-up-myths-12946759

Must have been reading the forum!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hillsm on April 26, 2017, 10:21:18 PM
In other news, Tony's doing a solid job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on April 27, 2017, 02:47:55 AM
More helpful results with LC and Crystal Palace losing. We are still in the driver seat for 8th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 27, 2017, 05:43:41 AM
In pre-season TP's priority is working on fitness - running up mountains in Austria. A trip to China and a mini-tournament has been imposed on him. How on earth would our mini-squad of aging players have coped with an early start pre-qualifying Europa league campaign anyway. Some of our supporters have totally unrealistic ambitions for our club at the present time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 27, 2017, 06:51:21 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on April 27, 2017, 05:43:41 AM
In pre-season TP's priority is working on fitness - running up mountains in Austria. A trip to China and a mini-tournament has been imposed on him. How on earth would our mini-squad of aging players have coped with an early start pre-qualifying Europa league campaign anyway. Some of our supporters have totally unrealistic ambitions for our club at the present time.

Clubs that qualify for European competitions will also do pre season fitness work and will play pre season friendlies. If there was a scheduling clash with the early stages the Europa League we could withdraw from the tournament as other teams have done in the past.

I don't think I have unrealistic expectations and I accept that European qualification would have presented some challenges for the club and the coach. However when we hit 40 points at the end of February with 12 games to play we were 4 points behind Everton so we had a chance albeit a slim one of getting 7th and European football.

These opportunities come around infrequently and to progress as a club we have to seize them. Seven games latter we have 44 points and are 13 points adrift of 7th treading water in 8th.

There are issues with the squad size and age. However at what point do we acknowledge that some of the responsibility for that reflects decisions that Pulis himself has made over the last two years? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on April 27, 2017, 07:22:16 AM
Just out of interest standaman, where did you predict us finishing at the start of the season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on April 27, 2017, 07:26:09 AM
And I would just add, that gives we had Lukaku instead of Everton this season you can bet we would have at least swapped places.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 27, 2017, 08:04:18 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on April 27, 2017, 07:22:16 AM
Just out of interest standaman, where did you predict us finishing at the start of the season?

Fourteenth and I would give any team  and or coach  a +/- 6 point variance we are are 6 points ahead of 14th which in turn is 6 points ahead of 19th which is all you need to know about the mid table mix in the Premier League. Eighth is just the top end of that range. Seventh is genuine progress and we were in with a shot of it but we have since regressed.

Quote from: boinging_along on April 27, 2017, 07:26:09 AM
And I would just add, that gives we had Lukaku instead of Everton this season you can bet we would have at least swapped places.

Any striker and I mean any striker and I will take the under for 15 league goals in a season in a Pulis side, however they are very unlikely to be Lukkau quality but I would still take it if they were. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 27, 2017, 10:12:59 PM
Finishing 8th bags us £12m more than 14th would.

It does raise questions about our squad that Phillips absence is evidently felt in the team (see Fosters comments this week).

The 'will he stay or will he go' Berahino fiasco has resulted in us being seriously under armed in firepower. It's only part Pulis fault. The blame lies more with the club hierarchy (JP included). This has impacted on our finish to the season along with a pretty tough sequence of games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on April 28, 2017, 01:36:42 PM
We all knew at the start of the season that unless Berahino sorted himself out that we'd be drastically short of strikers.  Rondon's form over the first half of the season and Phillips coming in helped mask that to some degree.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on April 29, 2017, 04:59:15 PM
Well 50 points Is not going to happen again. "We are not on the beach" and "it's been a great season" seem to be the lines trotted out but the evidence is to the contrary. Pulis outside the top 10 again?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on April 29, 2017, 05:00:40 PM
For all he brings and the stability Pulis brings for me he is wearing thin now , the passing just gets worse and that includes decent passes like Chadli and Livermore who we seem to have got down to our level now.
The cage is limiting us , if you were a decent forward you wouldn't sign for us.
Respect Pulis and what he does but like this i don't see him staying for another season after next but by then he will have done the job he was bought in to do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on April 29, 2017, 05:03:15 PM
Yeah it is wearing thin for me too mate totally agree

Done a great job but we need to move up a level
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on April 29, 2017, 05:06:35 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on April 29, 2017, 05:03:15 PM
Yeah it is wearing thin for me too mate totally agree

Done a great job but we need to move up a level
Totally agree
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on April 29, 2017, 05:07:39 PM
I have to agree. The football he serves up isn't worth being in the PL for. Seems to drag every signing down to his level. Rondon, Chadli, Evans all miles better than they look playing for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 29, 2017, 05:09:34 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on April 29, 2017, 05:03:15 PM
Yeah it is wearing thin for me too mate totally agree

Done a great job but we need to move up a level

Correct he's done a good job. Got rid of the deadwood, signed some players for us that have defiantly improved us. But it's just like he did at stoke- 40 points and done. Surely we don't have to put up with it for 8 years because they did.

I know they haven't really progressed without pulis but they just stayed the same by retaining him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 29, 2017, 05:15:20 PM
We will not advance with this man in charge, I hope the club and the new Chairman realise this. I genuinely believe that better players brought in will make little difference under Pulis.

The performances on the pitch are probably a reflection of how Pulis operates his training. I think I read once that 50% or more of the time in training involved formation/line holding/defensive shape and little touching of a ball so is it any wonder that they struggle to pass to each other and know what to do on the rare occasions they advance into the opponents half.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on April 29, 2017, 05:20:16 PM
I have never been so bored watching Albion than I am right now. This bloke has sucked the love and passion I have for this club.  I sat through the mid late 80s and 90s rubbish but this is worse for me. 

We have far better players than we had then.  There really is no comparison on that front but the way we are set up and the lack of creativity means we create next to nothing week in week out.  Its beyond boring.

And congratulations Pulis on the record of no goals in consecutive games in Albions 130 odd year history.  130 years? with this team of multi million pound players.  Well done Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 29, 2017, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on April 29, 2017, 05:20:16 PM
I have never been so bored watching Albion than I am right now. This bloke has sucked the love and passion I have for this club.  I sat through the mid late 80s and 90s rubbish but this is worse for me. 

We have far better players than we had then.  There really is no comparison on that front but the way we are set up and the lack of creativity means we create next to nothing week in week out.  Its beyond boring.

And congratulations Pulis on the record of no goals in consecutive games in Albions 130 odd year history.  130 years? with this team of multi million pound players.  Well done Tone.

Can only agree with this. Even during the dour early 90's I was at least entertained and felt connected to my club. I do not feel that any longer.

I turn up to games out of a sense of obligation as opposed to excitement. I would gladly flirt with the danger of us going backward in terms of league position if I was at least entertained again
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on April 29, 2017, 05:41:06 PM
We know more than ever where we stand with TP now.

He will keep us up year after year and we will be solid PL outfit.

The limitations are plain to see, he will hold us back with certain signings and will hold us back on expansive playing style.

We will go through periods of not scoring, who thought otherwise?

What it boils down to is whether the chairman is prepared to take a risk and sack him/not offer a new deal cause a new man could just as well take us down as they could take us to the next level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 29, 2017, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on April 29, 2017, 05:09:34 PM
Correct he's done a good job. Got rid of the deadwood, signed some players for us that have defiantly improved us. But it's just like he did at stoke- 40 points and done. Surely we don't have to put up with it for 8 years because they did.

I know they haven't really progressed without pulis but they just stayed the same by retaining him.
Stoke have beaten 50pts every season since he left. They've progressed enough so that what was an average to good season, is now the worst season ever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on April 29, 2017, 05:48:08 PM
Tony does his job well & that being to build a team that is hard to break down & beat with the goal of reaching 40 points being the target. A solid bottom half prem manager
( reminds me of the donkeys on blackpool beach, when they reach a certain point on the beach they turn around & return home.)
To old in the teeth to change his mind set now but i cant see Me Lai sacking him.  :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 29, 2017, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: geoff on April 29, 2017, 05:48:08 PM
Tony does his job well & that being to build a team that is hard to break down & beat with the goal of reaching 40 points being the target. A solid bottom half prem manager
( reminds me of the donkeys on blackpool beach, when they reach a certain point on the beach they turn around & return home.)
To old in the teeth to change his mind set now but i cant see Me Lai sacking him.  :(
agree with your points and I agree that owners will not sack him but will they back him in transfer market?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on April 29, 2017, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: geoff on April 29, 2017, 05:48:08 PM
Tony does his job well & that being to build a team that is hard to break down & beat with the goal of reaching 40 points being the target. A solid bottom half prem manager
( reminds me of the donkeys on blackpool beach, when they reach a certain point on the beach they turn around & return home.)
To old in the teeth to change his mind set now but i cant see Me Lai sacking him.  :(


Saw this astonishing stat on the bbc sport page for our game today. Pulis teams record in the prem after reaching 40 points. Played 42 (now 43) won 6.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 29, 2017, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: paulosull on April 29, 2017, 05:51:30 PM
agree with your points and I agree that owners will not sack him but will they back him in transfer market?

I wouldn't trust him in the market. More overpriced British players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on April 29, 2017, 05:58:54 PM
In the immortal words of the man - 'DO ITTT'

He is just about bearable when we are winning.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on April 29, 2017, 06:05:32 PM
Pulis football seems to be first and foremost, keeping shape and discipline in the defence. Attacking play is relying on set pieces and getting good crosses in from the flanks. I don't think there's much more to it. You wonder if there is anyone within the training staff who is fit to coach good creative attacking play. Today v Leicester, the build-up from midfield was painfully slow (apart from McLean). Just stroking the ball around (and often backwards) hoping they might spot a gap in the Leicester defence. By allowing a defence time to set up a perfect defensive formation, all element of surprise is removed from your attacks. At the same time, your players need to find spaces, but too often there was too little willingness to make runs . I still think we get too few players forward. During Leicester attacks they seemed to have more players up in threatening positions, than when we attacked. And that is even with Leicester being regarded as a counter attacking team!
Yes, I'm grateful we are safe for another season, but the club can't get any further than where we are under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on April 29, 2017, 06:22:25 PM
But in previous games we've attacked at pace so it's not that we are ways slow through midfield - today having Yacob in there didn't help.  When teams get back into position then we pass it around looking for gaps.  Unfortunately we don't have many play makers who will unlock a defence when it's back and in shape.  You just have to see how tough we are to breakdown to see that you need exceptional players to do that.

So far today I've seen complaints that we just lumped it forward. Complaints that we tried to pass it around and open them up.  I felt like we mixed it up a bit but we are still lacking that bit of quality in the top half of the pitch.  I think 8th is an over achievement really and to sustain that kind of position we need to bring in a few more quality players.

I thought Morisson was really poor today- he's supposed to be a creative attacking midfielder but he was caught on the ball constantly.  It's that position that we struggle with, Chadli is the closest we have but he's not been the same since his injury and is quite often .  Something my spurs supporting mate warned me about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 29, 2017, 06:27:06 PM
If our owner's have any ambition for our club then they should get rid of this dinosaur asap as his brand of football is woeful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on April 29, 2017, 06:45:00 PM
Yes. The owners will be looking at 8th place and be thinking "this is woeful".

To put it into perspective, my dad is a Sunderland fan. He can justifiably moan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 29, 2017, 06:57:18 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on April 29, 2017, 06:45:00 PM
Yes. The owners will be looking at 8th place and be thinking "this is woeful".

To put it into perspective, my dad is a Sunderland fan. He can justifiably moan.
you seriously think that we will finish 8th your having a laugh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on April 29, 2017, 07:36:05 PM
You only have to look at the substitutions to catch a glimpse of what is to come . Fletcher on for yacob today should have been Field , what did Leko get ? 10 mins .

He's playing lip service regarding these kids there is no real intention to play them , he doesn't trust them.

Come August,  September it will be park the bus with the old guard in situ after a couple of defeats.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on April 29, 2017, 07:58:41 PM
Quote from: Mo on April 29, 2017, 07:36:05 PM
You only have to look at the substitutions to catch a glimpse of what is to come . Fletcher on for yacob today should have been Field , what did Leko get ? 10 mins .

He's playing lip service regarding these kids there is no real intention to play them , he doesn't trust them.

Come August,  September it will be park the bus with the old guard in situ after a couple of defeats.
Totally agree with you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on April 29, 2017, 08:13:37 PM
No goals in our last 5 games tells its own story. We cant go down so why try some of the younger players. Reactive subs instead of proactive subs. Bringing on Leko with 10 minutes to go was a joke, but never mind another season in the Premier League next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on April 29, 2017, 09:06:08 PM
Pulis entering the dismissal danger zone i.e. less than a point a game over 10 games he had better hope for a good start to next season.

I have no idea why anyone thinks throwing more money at this is going to make much if any difference but hey ho we are 8th by some miracle
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 29, 2017, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: Manc Baggie on April 29, 2017, 05:51:42 PM

Saw this astonishing stat on the bbc sport page for our game today. Pulis teams record in the prem after reaching 40 points. Played 42 (now 43) won 6.
I am a Pulis supporter but that stat is hard to ignore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 29, 2017, 11:37:40 PM
Quote from: Standaman on April 29, 2017, 09:06:08 PM
Pulis entering the dismissal danger zone i.e. less than a point a game over 10 games he had better hope for a good start to next season.

I have no idea why anyone thinks throwing more money at this is going to make much if any difference but hey ho we are 8th by some miracle


As with last season... doesn't really matter. It's only a dismissal danger zone if it's possible to go down...


We've lost again, fair enough, from what I've seen we've conceded a dreadful goal from a mistake and then not been able to break down a resolute side. Though if we'd have had a proper right back it would probably have finished 1-1.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on April 29, 2017, 11:57:22 PM
Quote from: Standaman on April 29, 2017, 09:06:08 PM
Pulis entering the dismissal danger zone i.e. less than a point a game over 10 games he had better hope for a good start to next season.

I have no idea why anyone thinks throwing more money at this is going to make much if any difference but hey ho we are 8th by some miracle

We're not 8th because of a miracle, we're 8th because Pulis has built a good side and had them play well for a good chunk of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on April 30, 2017, 12:10:06 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on April 29, 2017, 11:57:22 PM
We're not 8th because of a miracle, we're 8th because Pulis has built a good side and had them play well for a good chunk of the season.

Yup Pulis has done a great job this year so far. This squad is overachieving but the credit goes to the Manager from getting more of them then he should.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on April 30, 2017, 12:36:07 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on April 29, 2017, 11:57:22 PM
We're not 8th because of a miracle, we're 8th because Pulis has built a good side and had them play well for a good chunk of the season.

We're 8th because majority of teams this season have been p*ss poor.

Haven't scored a goal in 5 games... 4 clean sheets all season ( if i remember right )... may not be a miracle but you can't deny we have been lucky this season.

Don't let our league position ATM pull the wool over your eyes, come the 22nd may that will be gone and unless pulis finds a bit of ambition from somewhere, we are in for a very long season next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 30, 2017, 01:20:56 AM
If it hasn't already been mentioned, apparently the club have set a new record of consecutive minutes of failing to score.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on April 30, 2017, 09:33:10 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on April 30, 2017, 01:20:56 AM
If it hasn't already been mentioned, apparently the club have set a new record of consecutive minutes of failing to score.

First time we've ever failed to score in 5 consecutive games.

Won't need to bother with an April goal of the month competition either. No matter your views on Pulis, that's an appalling record to be setting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on April 30, 2017, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on April 29, 2017, 11:57:22 PM
We're not 8th because of a miracle, we're 8th because Pulis has built a good side and had them play well for a good chunk of the season.

We are 8th because of regimented shape and discipline each man knowing his job .

I'm not sure ' we gave it a go ' or lampung aimless balls forwards and giving the ball away constantly is what I would class as a good side there are teams in this league who put together passing moves that we can only dream of .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on April 30, 2017, 09:41:50 AM
I've got until June 3rd to decide to renew the season ticket I've held since 1997.

I probably will, because WBA's under my skin, but I have to say, the excitement's not there any more.

We may well do a Leeds or a Charlton, but I'm coming to the point now where, as a supporter, I'd take the risk.

I'd say Villa, Wolves, & Birmingham will all be competing for something next season, & football supporters go to see teams win. I could easily see casual supporters going there rather than boring Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on April 30, 2017, 11:03:47 AM
It's not just Pulis though is it? I watched the City-United game on Thursday and United had one shot on target all night.
If that had been Pulis instead of Mourinho he would have been villified.
United fans like us are used to seeing their team go for goals, but now the PL fear factor makes a team's first priority not to lose.
It's killing the game and driving people away.
Pulis is imo, just getting the best results with the players he has at his disposal, whereas a team like United playing for a draw with the player's they have is unforgiveable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on April 30, 2017, 11:18:12 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on April 30, 2017, 09:41:50 AM
I've got until June 3rd to decide to renew the season ticket I've held since 1997.

I probably will, because WBA's under my skin, but I have to say, the excitement's not there any more.

We may well do a Leeds or a Charlton, but I'm coming to the point now where, as a supporter, I'd take the risk.

I'd say Villa, Wolves, & Birmingham will all be competing for something next season, & football supporters go to see teams win. I could easily see casual supporters going there rather than boring Albion.

Villa and Birmingham maybe, but i can't see Wolves competing for anything unless they change their manager and spend huge amounts of money.
I had an ST for years but didn't renew three years ago.
It came to the point that i enjoyed the couple of hours in the Sportsman or the Cricket Club with friends more than i did the match.
But it's football in general that leaves me cold, not just the Albion.
You don't see players taking people on now, or end to end stuff like i was brought up on.
It's all pass pass like a game of chess, and the play acting and pre rehearsed goal celebrations are no match for the great characters who once graced the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on April 30, 2017, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: divinewind on April 30, 2017, 11:03:47 AM
It's not just Pulis though is it? I watched the City-United game on Thursday and United had one shot on target all night.
If that had been Pulis instead of Mourinho he would have been villified.
United fans like us are used to seeing their team go for goals, but now the PL fear factor makes a team's first priority not to lose.
It's killing the game and driving people away.
Pulis is imo, just getting the best results with the players he has at his disposal, whereas a team like United playing for a draw with the player's they have is unforgiveable.

Absolutely spot on, couldn't agree more! The premier league leaves me largely stone cold, extremely dull and boring tactics because of the desperate desire not to lose and to remain in it, and we're without doubt the most boring team I've ever seen. The Hawthorns, and many other premier league grounds, will soon be empty at this rate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on April 30, 2017, 01:53:38 PM
Pulis is doing my head in. I hated his style of football at Stoke, hated his style of football first season with us but realised it was probably needed if we were going to stay up. Then he won me over with a more enterprising style and now I am beginning to hate him all over again, because he seems to have reverted to type, why I don't know. Perfect time to try out new ideas, new systems, so what if we lose 6-0 giving it a go, we are safe anyway.
This is probably going to sound ridiculous (it even does to me a bit), but can I be the first to say that I am already a bit worried about next season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 30, 2017, 05:40:04 PM
Why hasn't this man played any of the kids? Fresh Face's might give the team a lift,  ordo what he did last season and give them a run out in final game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on April 30, 2017, 05:59:58 PM
Quote from: paulosull on April 30, 2017, 05:40:04 PM
Why hasn't this man played any of the kids? Fresh Face's might give the team a lift,  ordo what he did last season and give them a run out in final game.

Leko played yesterday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on April 30, 2017, 06:27:44 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on April 30, 2017, 05:59:58 PM
Leko played yesterday
came on as a sub in the last 10 minutes :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on April 30, 2017, 07:15:17 PM
Don't believe a word Pulis says anymore, for weeks he's been banging on about playing the youngsters.
is this the first time this season we've had more possession than our opponents?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 30, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
I can't fathom it. We've got a knackered midfield (Livermore excepted)...and Sam Field with a 4 year contract and England under 18 or 19 international sat on the bench game after game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on April 30, 2017, 08:40:44 PM
Quote from: Adder on April 30, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
I can't fathom it. We've got a knackered midfield (Livermore excepted)...and Sam Field with a 4 year contract and England under 18 or 19 international sat on the bench game after game.

Especially after Pulis said he was going to utilise the youngsters too. Didn't seem like he wanted to actually bring Leko on either, seemed to be stripped and ready for a good 10 minutes before he actually brought him on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on April 30, 2017, 08:41:38 PM
Quote from: paulosull on April 30, 2017, 06:27:44 PM
came on as a sub in the last 10 minutes :o

There you go then he played a kid  ;)

Get what your saying though... we couldn't exactly do any worse so can't see why he's not using them abit more and atleast giving them a decent run out.

He bangs on about bringing the kids through and we need goals... so he brings on a defensive midfielder when were chasing a goal...   ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on April 30, 2017, 09:43:12 PM
Leicester fans I was talking to in the pub said more than once 'but you're 8th you've had a great season' - which is right.
Again, one or two injuries and an ageing squad doesn't help at this time of year. Last year we missed Brunt and Morrison, this year it's Phillips - we haven't got the strength in depth to keep going throughout the season.
Let's see what the summer brings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on April 30, 2017, 09:45:27 PM
I don't think I can take another season of 25% possession, no proper fullbacks, awful uninspiring midfielders, out of position players, no pace throughout the team and a lone striker isolated 40 yards on his own with no hope of even getting a decent half chance.

Just as he looked like he was getting somewhere, TP has reverted to type and we are absolute dross to watch again. I have no confidence he will sort the squad out in the summer either, looking at squad depth ours is the weakest in the league - not sure we've even got 18 senior pros. We still have no fullbacks or pace (not entirely TP's fault, we've been saying this since 2010).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on April 30, 2017, 10:06:37 PM
Quote from: wba_1996 on April 30, 2017, 09:45:27 PM
I don't think I can take another season of 25% possession, no proper fullbacks, awful uninspiring midfielders, out of position players, no pace throughout the team and a lone striker isolated 40 yards on his own with no hope of even getting a decent half chance.

Just as he looked like he was getting somewhere, TP has reverted to type and we are absolute dross to watch again. I have no confidence he will sort the squad out in the summer either, looking at squad depth ours is the weakest in the league - not sure we've even got 18 senior pros. We still have no fullbacks or pace (not entirely TP's fault, we've been saying this since 2010).
Neither can I. This dinosaur needs to now leave our club. Pulis go please
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 01, 2017, 12:19:42 PM
Taken from another site:

Asked why he hasn't give the youngsters more game time, Pulis Replied " We have to finish as high as we can for the money, I cant afford to take many risks playing younger players"

What's the point of the academy then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 01, 2017, 12:29:24 PM
Play the youngsters Tony. We aren't going to get another point on the board anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 01, 2017, 12:45:16 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on May 01, 2017, 12:19:42 PM
Taken from another site:

Asked why he hasn't give the youngsters more game time, Pulis Replied " We have to finish as high as we can for the money, I cant afford to take many risks playing younger players"

What's the point of the academy then?

While Pulis is here there is virtually no point to the academy. Any promising youngster would be better off away from this completely negative safety first mind set.

Equally there is very little risk in our current position in playing the youngsters. Most of the merit payment money probably goes to the players by the way of bonuses although there is a possibility that a youngster would get a bit of a shoeing from the old lags in the dressing room were they to make a mistake that cost them money.

This along with the rest of the Pulis claptrap needs to be treated with the contempt it deserves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba1993dave on May 01, 2017, 01:28:09 PM
We should be letting him go in the summer. Massive chance to push on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 01, 2017, 01:39:35 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on May 01, 2017, 12:19:42 PM
Taken from another site:

Asked why he hasn't give the youngsters more game time, Pulis Replied " We have to finish as high as we can for the money, I cant afford to take many risks playing younger players"

What's the point of the academy then?
I'd like to see exactly where this quote came from. I may be wrong but it doesn't seem the sort of thing that Pulis would say in public.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 01, 2017, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 01, 2017, 01:39:35 PM
I'd like to see exactly where this quote came from. I may be wrong but it doesn't seem the sort of thing that Pulis would say in public.

You could be right, Anyway it's from the E&S site under the Leicester match report article and a poster's comment made on 30 April.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RICH ONE on May 01, 2017, 05:06:29 PM
Pulis made the comments in a interview with WM after the game where he clearly stated finishing as high up the table was very important due to the money involved
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 01, 2017, 05:30:46 PM
"The problem we have got is we are so conscious of the money situation and the amount of money you get for finishing in certain places,"

Quote from the Birmingham Mail. Yes, Tony being Tony all about the money. How bad could it be to play the kids? Seriously worse than 2 points from 8 games or 5 games without a goal?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 01, 2017, 05:42:10 PM
That's the thing the team is looking seriously jaded. He doesn't have to play all the kids. I can't quite get my head around the fact that he trusted Field enough to start him in two matches earlier in the season and now when our midfield is seriously under-performing he doesn't want to play him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 01, 2017, 06:12:22 PM
Quote from: RICH ONE on May 01, 2017, 05:06:29 PM
Pulis made the comments in a interview with WM after the game where he clearly stated finishing as high up the table was very important due to the money involved

He hasn't had the team showing that with their performances that's for sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on May 01, 2017, 06:14:25 PM
If there is a 50 mill+ budget then get rid. If Not then the safe bet is to keep pulis to keep us up. It's a gamble otherwise, however I do think we have a good squad and would do well under a more attacking manager but is it worth the gamble for Lai and Williams? Probably not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie79 on May 01, 2017, 07:26:05 PM
I have always liked Pulis but this has made me angry. What is the point of getting £2m more from the league placing, seriously what is that going to buy us, maybe Marc Wilson. It doesn't make sense, play the kids to get them some experience if only one makes it that will be worth a hell of a lot more than £2m.

Okay so according to Pulis Sam Field and Kane Wilson are the most promising players at their age that you have seen so play them ffs. The more worrying thing is very talented youth players not on contracts will look at this and think maybe West Brom is not the best place for me to develop because I wont get a chance!.

Angry, rant over!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on May 01, 2017, 10:48:08 PM
Quote from: Baggie79 on May 01, 2017, 07:26:05 PM
I have always liked Pulis but this has made me angry. What is the point of getting £2m more from the league placing, seriously what is that going to buy us, maybe Marc Wilson. It doesn't make sense, play the kids to get them some experience if only one makes it that will be worth a hell of a lot more than £2m.

Okay so according to Pulis Sam Field and Kane Wilson are the most promising players at their age that you have seen so play them ffs. The more worrying thing is very talented youth players not on contracts will look at this and think maybe West Brom is not the best place for me to develop because I wont get a chance!.

Angry, rant over!

Spot on.  Our Academy is very well regarded but there needs to be fruit borne from it. Leko and Field have stood still this year because of our inept transfer window dealings which prevented them from being loaned out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on May 02, 2017, 05:04:04 AM
Quote from: Baggie79 on May 01, 2017, 07:26:05 PM
I have always liked Pulis but this has made me angry. What is the point of getting £2m more from the league placing, seriously what is that going to buy us, maybe Marc Wilson. It doesn't make sense, play the kids to get them some experience if only one makes it that will be worth a hell of a lot more than £2m.

Okay so according to Pulis Sam Field and Kane Wilson are the most promising players at their age that you have seen so play them ffs. The more worrying thing is very talented youth players not on contracts will look at this and think maybe West Brom is not the best place for me to develop because I wont get a chance!.

Angry, rant over!

Very good points! Can anyone tell me what was the point of loaning Marc Wilson?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 02, 2017, 03:07:18 PM
Not sure this end of season form is going to encourage those who are um'ing and ah'ring about renewing to do so (of which I believe there is many).  A bit more positivity in our play and blooding the youngsters would definitely give us something to get excited about.  No goals to cheer in the whole of April and yet Pulis bleats on about playing the tried and tested senior pro's, if he isn't going to give the youngsters an opportunity now when will he? All feels rather ominous in regards to showing a clear pathway to the first team for our academy prospects.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 02, 2017, 03:39:55 PM
The academy is fully wasted whilst Pulis is in charge. I feel sorry for them, said he rates them as some of the best he has seen yet is stalling progression by leaving them on the bench
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: popmonkey on May 02, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
Giving a young player valuable game experience could be worth exponentially more than the money that we may lose by slipping a place or two. Give them a chance to play, or get them out on loan to get game time, otherwise they're going to stagnate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 02, 2017, 03:48:07 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 02, 2017, 03:39:55 PM
The academy is fully wasted whilst Pulis is in charge. I feel sorry for them, said he rates them as some of the best he has seen yet is stalling progression by leaving them on the bench

Have to say that at the end of last season I was really looking forward to a big season from Leko, but he has hardly figured. Both him and Sam need loan moves to the lower leagues to get their game up to strength. Both are great prospects [as with others] and we have done the square root of nothing to develop them really for first team purposes.

Not satisfactory really
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on May 02, 2017, 03:50:33 PM
Pretty rubbish all around how treat the youngsters and loanees.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 02, 2017, 03:54:54 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on May 02, 2017, 03:50:33 PM
Pretty rubbish all around how treat the youngsters and loanees.

That's another point , we may as well have stuck another academy prospect on the bench rather than wasting a loan on Marc Wilson. Pointless
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 02, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: baggie96 on May 01, 2017, 06:14:25 PM
If there is a 50 mill+ budget then get rid. If Not then the safe bet is to keep pulis to keep us up. It's a gamble otherwise, however I do think we have a good squad and would do well under a more attacking manager but is it worth the gamble for Lai and Williams? Probably not.

 ;D  get rid of the manager who probably leading us to our highest ever prem finsh? ok then i get your logic :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 02, 2017, 05:10:04 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on May 02, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D get rid of the manager who probs leading us to our highest ever prem finsh? ok then i get your logic :o

Sadly that is the easy argument to make and you cannot argue with the result of the season as a whole, providing we finish 8th. For me there is more to it than merely where we are in the league. I wish to be entertained and watch 'foot'ball, not what we play under Pulis, where feet are surplus to requirements.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 02, 2017, 09:35:50 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 02, 2017, 05:10:04 PM
Sadly that is the easy argument to make and you cannot argue with the result of the season as a whole, providing we finish 8th. For me there is more to it than merely where we are in the league. I wish to be entertained and watch 'foot'ball, not what we play under Pulis, where feet are surplus to requirements.
You will get entertainment with Pulis at times and a long drag at others.
We have been well entertained in relegation battles by so called managers who are plying their trade in one form or another in lower leagues.
Will prob happen all over again! :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 02, 2017, 10:18:44 PM
bigging up the opposition again, Dyche one of the top 3 managers in the prem according to our Tone. give us a break.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 02, 2017, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 02, 2017, 10:18:44 PM
bigging up the opposition again, Dyche one of the top 3 managers in the prem according to our Tone. give us a break.

Top 3 British managers tbf
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 02, 2017, 10:33:07 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 02, 2017, 09:35:50 PM
You will get entertainment with Pulis at times and a long drag at others.
We have been well entertained in relegation battles by so called managers who are plying their trade in one form or another in lower leagues.
Will prob happen all over again! :P

The idea being that we don't appoint a manager who will go on to ply his trade in the lower leagues...

Strange that Southampton have been through a couple of managers who have gone on to better things. I never understand why people feel that getting rid of Pulis instantly means we are back in a relegation scrap. It doesn't have to be like that, though knowing the Albion it probably would be as we have made plenty of shambolic appointments of late (Clarke, Mel, Irvine etc).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 02, 2017, 11:20:42 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 02, 2017, 10:18:44 PM
bigging up the opposition again, Dyche one of the top 3 managers in the prem according to our Tone. give us a break.

Followed by post-march comments of we have a great bunch of lads who work really hard.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 03, 2017, 12:43:15 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 02, 2017, 10:18:44 PM
bigging up the opposition again, Dyche one of the top 3 managers in the prem according to our Tone. give us a break.

Most press conferences these days are drab, mundane and people trot out the same stuff. I am not sure why people are even interested in them? (especially since Nigel Pearson has now left the prem)

Answer 1 "Here are the injury updates...."
Answer 2 "The other manager (insert name) is a top manager, he has done really well this year"
Answer 3 "There are no tough games in the premiership" followed by "They are really strong at home" or "They are hard to beat as an away team"

If there is a tough or challenging question the press officer steps in or the manager says "It will all come out later"

At the end sky look for the morsels or slightly slant what was said to try and make them sound interesting....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on May 03, 2017, 07:50:37 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on May 03, 2017, 12:43:15 AM
Most press conferences these days are drab, mundane and people trot out the same stuff. I am not sure why people are even interested in them? (especially since Nigel Pearson has now left the prem)

Answer 1 "Here are the injury updates...."
Answer 2 "The other manager (insert name) is a top manager, he has done really well this year"
Answer 3 "There are no tough games in the premiership" followed by "They are really strong at home" or "They are hard to beat as an away team"

If there is a tough or challenging question the press officer steps in or the manager says "It will all come out later"

At the end sky look for the morsels or slightly slant what was said to try and make them sound interesting....

That's confidence for you!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 03, 2017, 10:32:12 AM
A stat for you. did you know Pulis as only won 5 out of 30 games between us Stoke and Palace at this time of year, basically saying get to 40 points and switch off. My last post for a while. I wont be renewing whilst hes still in charge and thats a definite now, yes i have made my mind up this time. i left to watch west bromwich dartmouth during the game and my temper calmed somewhat.
I dont look forward to games anymore and i didnt want to go on saturday, someone owed me money so i travelled.
we no must coaches play players out of position and favourites but this bloke is top of the league for that
I am not worried after 40 years i feel like this. whats even more disappointing we know he dont blood youth so whats the point having academys.
He constantly bigs the opposition which annoyes me. the sooner hes gone the sooner i return. i want to be entertained for my money even if its in the championship.
His hands are not tied he does this at every club hes been at, i heard he had a go at supporters on saturday defending Kemp, god help him next season if its still the same
I am jetting off for some sunshine. enjoy the rest of the season folks.Oh i hear some say support your club. i have for 45 years, thick and thin.Maybe i dont agree with all the money in football this day and age, player power etc but there you go. boingboing 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 03, 2017, 02:05:59 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 03, 2017, 10:32:12 AM
A stat for you. did you know Pulis as only won 5 out of 30 games between us Stoke and Palace at this time of year, basically saying get to 40 points and switch off. My last post for a while. I wont be renewing whilst hes still in charge and thats a definite now, yes i have made my mind up this time. i left to watch west bromwich dartmouth during the game and my temper calmed somewhat.
I dont look forward to games anymore and i didnt want to go on saturday, someone owed me money so i travelled.
we no must coaches play players out of position and favourites but this bloke is top of the league for that
I am not worried after 40 years i feel like this. whats even more disappointing we know he dont blood youth so whats the point having academys.
He constantly bigs the opposition which annoyes me. the sooner hes gone the sooner i return. i want to be entertained for my money even if its in the championship.
His hands are not tied he does this at every club hes been at, i heard he had a go at supporters on saturday defending Kemp, god help him next season if its still the same
I am jetting off for some sunshine. enjoy the rest of the season folks.Oh i hear some say support your club. i have for 45 years, thick and thin.Maybe i dont agree with all the money in football this day and age, player power etc but there you go. boingboing

Absolutely bang on the nail.
I feel exactly the same as you. Pulis has singlehandedly broke my love for West Brom. I just stopped feeling anything for the club last season & now only have a passing interest in the day to day & on match days. Although I do enjoy this forum.
I hope when Pulis eventually does go, that there is still enough of our clubs soul left to rise from the dismall depths of pulisball to be able to entertain once again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 03, 2017, 02:22:53 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 03, 2017, 10:32:12 AM
A stat for you. did you know Pulis as only won 5 out of 30 games between us Stoke and Palace at this time of year, basically saying get to 40 points and switch off. My last post for a while. I wont be renewing whilst hes still in charge and thats a definite now, yes i have made my mind up this time. i left to watch west bromwich dartmouth during the game and my temper calmed somewhat.
I dont look forward to games anymore and i didnt want to go on saturday, someone owed me money so i travelled.
we no must coaches play players out of position and favourites but this bloke is top of the league for that
I am not worried after 40 years i feel like this. whats even more disappointing we know he dont blood youth so whats the point having academys.
He constantly bigs the opposition which annoyes me. the sooner hes gone the sooner i return. i want to be entertained for my money even if its in the championship.
His hands are not tied he does this at every club hes been at, i heard he had a go at supporters on saturday defending Kemp, god help him next season if its still the same
I am jetting off for some sunshine. enjoy the rest of the season folks.Oh i hear some say support your club. i have for 45 years, thick and thin.Maybe i dont agree with all the money in football this day and age, player power etc but there you go. boingboing

Your loyalty to the club is not in doubt Glyn, and I think many of us feel the same as you. There is a bit of a pattern forming now;

1- get to 40 points
2 - relax
3 -fill the press with high profile names as transfer targets linked to the club to boost season ticket sales
4 - repeat

I am/was pro Pulis, but even I am getting very bored of this now. So next season will be my last under this regime unless something really does change down there - as much as I love the place.

Enjoy the sun Glyn.......


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 03, 2017, 02:57:21 PM
Oh before i leave not sure if its been mentioned he broke our history record of 5 games without scoring
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on May 03, 2017, 03:20:53 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 03, 2017, 02:57:21 PM
Oh before i leave not sure if its been mentioned he broke our history record of 5 games without scoring
Correct it has been 5 League games but in 1977-78 season  and 1971-72 we did go 5 games without scoring although that was 4 league games and one league cup game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 03, 2017, 03:26:46 PM
I'd give Pulis a new long term contract, let him build something here. Fed up of chopping and changing managers, Pulis has improved us every season and if we get some quality in the Summer we will only get better. These are the good times, enjoy them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 03, 2017, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 03, 2017, 03:26:46 PM
I'd give Pulis a new long term contract, let him build something here. Fed up of chopping and changing managers, Pulis has improved us every season and if we get some quality in the Summer we will only get better. These are the good times, enjoy them.

Very debatable if quality players will make much difference under Pulis and his methods and tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 03, 2017, 03:38:44 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 03, 2017, 03:26:46 PM
I'd give Pulis a new long term contract, let him build something here. Fed up of chopping and changing managers, Pulis has improved us every season and if we get some quality in the Summer we will only get better. These are the good times, enjoy them.

Let him build what? He has one agenda and that's to make 40 points. He has very little interest in the cup either.

If he is still here in 4 years time for example, the crowds will be lower and the most we might have done is reached 50 points. These are not 'good times'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on May 03, 2017, 03:45:33 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 03, 2017, 03:38:44 PM
Let him build what? He has one agenda and that's to make 40 points. He has very little interest in the cup either.

If he is still here in 4 years time for example, the crowds will be lower and the most we might have done is reached 50 points. These are not 'good times'
Not the greatest I admit but just look at our neighbours and loff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on May 03, 2017, 03:47:45 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 03, 2017, 03:26:46 PM
I'd give Pulis a new long term contract, let him build something here. Fed up of chopping and changing managers, Pulis has improved us every season and if we get some quality in the Summer we will only get better. These are the good times, enjoy them.

My worst nightmare  :o
I can see him starting off next season in charge has a reward for finishing  8th & overachieving  with a ageing squad.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 03, 2017, 03:49:29 PM
I'd certainly keep him for another 2 or 3 seasons, his love in with Fletcher and Dawson is extremely frustrating, but he's still the best man for the job imo.


One thing is for sure we'll be in a better position on and off the field when he leaves than we were when he arrived.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 03, 2017, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on May 03, 2017, 03:45:33 PM
Not the greatest I admit but just look at our neighbours and loff.

I appreciate that, but we've moved on in a way. If anything, we need to ensure that advantage is pushed on, and we won't do that in my opinion with Pulis in charge.

One thing I saw on twitter that I fully agree with is that we need to move away from this thought that without Pulis we will suddenly be embroiled in relegation battles again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on May 03, 2017, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 03, 2017, 03:38:44 PM
Let him build what? He has one agenda and that's to make 40 points. He has very little interest in the cup either.

If he is still here in 4 years time for example, the crowds will be lower and the most we might have done is reached 50 points. These are not 'good times'


I really can't believe some of the tripe that's written on here. Yes whilst things are not great the last 5 games was anyone saying the things there coming out with 5 games ago. It's laughable that some of you are clearly fair weather fans and only interested in following us when we win. Can anyone tell me seriously another manager who could of done better this year with these players? Now if anyone is to blame again it's the regime who now must decide to back or sack this manager. But I really dispair at some of you lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 03, 2017, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: Topman on May 03, 2017, 03:51:45 PM

I really can't believe some of the tripe that's written on here. Yes whilst things are not great the last 5 games was anyone saying the things there coming out with 5 games ago. It's laughable that some of you are clearly fair weather fans and only interested in following us when we win. Can anyone tell me seriously another manager who could of done better this year with these players? Now if anyone is to blame again it's the regime who now must decide to back or sack this manager. But I really dispair at some of you lot.

Fairweather? Behave. I go rain or shine, I've already renewed despite the terrible football. I'll be here long after he's gone, unless something drastic happens to my health.

It's not tripe. It's an opinion that many fans have, our results have glossed over a lot , as has the state of the league this year. It's been terrible
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 03, 2017, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: Topman on May 03, 2017, 03:51:45 PM

I really can't believe some of the tripe that's written on here. Yes whilst things are not great the last 5 games was anyone saying the things there coming out with 5 games ago. It's laughable that some of you are clearly fair weather fans and only interested in following us when we win. Can anyone tell me seriously another manager who could of done better this year with these players? Now if anyone is to blame again it's the regime who now must decide to back or sack this manager. But I really dispair at some of you lot.

Do you trust him with a bag full of money?

Do you trust a man playing an average centre half at right back? A manager playing a right back at left back? A manager who has no interest in the academy?

Any quality we do bring in he will coach the attacking instict out of, first and foremost we defend. Rondon WAS a good player, a goalscorer before Pulis. Now he's a donkey, overworked in a role that doesn't suit him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stever60 on May 03, 2017, 04:13:45 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 03, 2017, 03:38:44 PM
Let him build what? He has one agenda and that's to make 40 points. He has very little interest in the cup either.

If he is still here in 4 years time for example, the crowds will be lower and the most we might have done is reached 50 points. These are not 'good times'
Name some good times in recent years to see what you are bench-marking against.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 03, 2017, 04:18:19 PM
Quote from: stever60 on May 03, 2017, 04:13:45 PM
Name some good times in recent years to see what you are bench-marking against.....

'Good times' to me are about success.  Promotion was a success, staying up against all odds was a success. Finishing mid-table, fans turning against each other, dwindling support etc is not a 'good time' to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stever60 on May 03, 2017, 04:25:03 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 03, 2017, 04:18:19 PM
'Good times' to me are about success.  Promotion was a success, staying up against all odds was a success. Finishing mid-table, fans turning against each other, dwindling support etc is not a 'good time' to me.
I guess with your measurement of success unfortunately not every team can be successful. Not sure I would want to get relegated to be promoted or fight off relegation. I will agree the football isn't great at the moment; I think stability is probably the key word at the Albion at the moment; hopefully by staying put in the prem we'll eventually attract more decent players and hopefully that will deliver more entertaining football and maybe success (eg a cup)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 03, 2017, 04:36:16 PM
Quote from: Topman on May 03, 2017, 03:51:45 PM

I really can't believe some of the tripe that's written on here. Yes whilst things are not great the last 5 games was anyone saying the things there coming out with 5 games ago. It's laughable that some of you are clearly fair weather fans and only interested in following us when we win. Can anyone tell me seriously another manager who could of done better this year with these players? Now if anyone is to blame again it's the regime who now must decide to back or sack this manager. But I really dispair at some of you lot.

Simple question - do you want to watch the Albion reach 40 points and hit the beach for the next 5 years?

I don't, I want to see progression but I am also realistic on what we can achieve. A few games ago we were 5 points behind Everton and in reasonable form, talking about Europe. Everton have disappeared into the sunset whilst we have stood still. Given what we had before, TP was absolutely necessary and we are in a better place for him. We have a new board and for me this close season is the acid test for their intentions. I don't expect money to be thrown around, but I do expect to see some real investment in quality players - not last minute bargain basement deals that we have seen recently. I am fed up of being linked to £25m players, only for the deal not to go through or another club muscle in. I am starting to believe that it is all hype to move tickets - there is not too much evidence to the contrary is there? Take William Carvalho, we could have bought him last year but we didn't, and now we are linked to him again. If he is 'the beast' that TP wants, then lets go and get him - we were not too far away from the asking price last year, but you know and I know that deal will not come off for one reason or another. Progression also goes to the youth players we are bringing through. We have some decent prospects there but I am at a loss as to why he isn't playing them, or sending them out on loan for development.
Some of the football this year has been really good and I have loved being there. However, some of it has been mundane and dire, and this needs to change. You can call me what you want but I am going to give it another year and I want to see progress. If not then I will pick and chose my games.
Depending on the weather, I will be there long after TP has gone.........       
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 03, 2017, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: stever60 on May 03, 2017, 04:25:03 PM
I guess with your measurement of success unfortunately not every team can be successful. Not sure I would want to get relegated to be promoted or fight off relegation. I will agree the football isn't great at the moment; I think stability is probably the key word at the Albion at the moment; hopefully by staying put in the prem we'll eventually attract more decent players and hopefully that will deliver more entertaining football and maybe success (eg a cup)

We could have Messi and Pulis would make him defensive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stever60 on May 03, 2017, 04:41:48 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 03, 2017, 04:40:22 PM
We could have Messi and Pulis would make him defensive.
Nice one....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 03, 2017, 04:42:29 PM
Quote from: Topman on May 03, 2017, 03:51:45 PM

I really can't believe some of the tripe that's written on here. Yes whilst things are not great the last 5 games was anyone saying the things there coming out with 5 games ago. It's laughable that some of you are clearly fair weather fans and only interested in following us when we win. Can anyone tell me seriously another manager who could of done better this year with these players? Now if anyone is to blame again it's the regime who now must decide to back or sack this manager. But I really dispair at some of you lot.

Better than being dumped out in the first round of the League cup to League 1 Northampton and the first round of the FA Cup at home to Championship Derby?

I'd imagine plenty of other managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 03, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
Overall this season, Pulis has done a great job for me. Over a long period of time in his career, he's shown his limitations which are there to see again this year - so no surprises at all - his teams have a history of relying on set pieces for goals, deep defending even at home, lack of possession, grinding out results, not favouring flair players or coaching the flair out of them, not playing kids and his teams petering out once survival has been achieved.

I'd let him go another season with a couple more signings and then assess it then because I think each season he's been here, we've improved overall.

If someone had said we'd be mid-table having scored more goals at home and at times looked better going forward than last season (probably not difficult), most of us would have taken that.

There's a point when (like his time at Stoke), Pulis will reach his own ceiling and I don't think we're far off that with this squad. I'm not saying another manager would necessarily finish higher but sometimes a change can bring about fresh ideas whilst maintaining momentum or staying around the same in terms of places but a different style can freshen things up - Southampton are a good example of that for example.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 03, 2017, 04:47:29 PM
Quote from: stever60 on May 03, 2017, 04:25:03 PM
I guess with your measurement of success unfortunately not every team can be successful. Not sure I would want to get relegated to be promoted or fight off relegation. I will agree the football isn't great at the moment; I think stability is probably the key word at the Albion at the moment; hopefully by staying put in the prem we'll eventually attract more decent players and hopefully that will deliver more entertaining football and maybe success (eg a cup)

I'm not asking for us to go down and recreate it , and I get not every club can be successful in that sense. However, what I would like to see, is us play out a full season. I'd like us to really challenge for a cup. I'd like us to push and push when we had a slim chance of europe.

Instead, for the second season running stopped playing with ten games to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 03, 2017, 04:51:51 PM
Quote from: darbolina on May 03, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
Overall this season, Pulis has done a great job for me. Over a long period of time in his career, he's shown his limitations which are there to see again this year - so no surprises at all - his teams have a history of relying on set pieces for goals, deep defending even at home, lack of possession, grinding out results, not favouring flair players or coaching the flair out of them, not playing kids and his teams petering out once survival has been achieved.

I'd let him go another season with a couple more signings and then assess it then because I think each season he's been here, we've improved overall.

If someone had said we'd be mid-table having scored more goals at home and at times looked better going forward than last season (probably not difficult), most of us would have taken that.

There's a point when (like his time at Stoke), Pulis will reach his own ceiling and I don't think we're far off that with this squad. I'm not saying another manager would necessarily finish higher but sometimes a change can bring about fresh ideas whilst maintaining momentum or staying around the same in terms of places but a different style can freshen things up - Southampton are a good example of that for example.

I think this is it. We won't go much further with Pulis, and a change of ideas can freshen things up and might see us progress whether it be in the cup or as a better team to watch.

Changing manager doesn't necessarily mean we will get relegated either. Like you say Southampton have been a great example.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 03, 2017, 04:59:55 PM
I don't like his strain of negative football.
At least he has kept us with a chance to proceed to the next level of a higher position.
We shall have to wait and see what next season brings.
Is it mid-table mediocrity or mid-table safety?
Cup half full or half empty?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stever60 on May 03, 2017, 05:28:31 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 03, 2017, 04:47:29 PM
I'm not asking for us to go down and recreate it , and I get not every club can be successful in that sense. However, what I would like to see, is us play out a full season. I'd like us to really challenge for a cup. I'd like us to push and push when we had a slim chance of europe.

Instead, for the second season running stopped playing with ten games to go.
I agree with what you say. I'm not sure they have stopped playing as such; I think our problem has been highlighted over the last 8 games.....top scorer is a defender remember and goals mainly from set pieces. No real creativity (or not much) without Phillips on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on May 03, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on May 03, 2017, 04:36:16 PM
Simple question - do you want to watch the Albion reach 40 points and hit the beach for the next 5 years?

I don't, I want to see progression but I am also realistic on what we can achieve. A few games ago we were 5 points behind Everton and in reasonable form, talking about Europe. Everton have disappeared into the sunset whilst we have stood still. Given what we had before, TP was absolutely necessary and we are in a better place for him. We have a new board and for me this close season is the acid test for their intentions. I don't expect money to be thrown around, but I do expect to see some real investment in quality players - not last minute bargain basement deals that we have seen recently. I am fed up of being linked to £25m players, only for the deal not to go through or another club muscle in. I am starting to believe that it is all hype to move tickets - there is not too much evidence to the contrary is there? Take William Carvalho, we could have bought him last year but we didn't, and now we are linked to him again. If he is 'the beast' that TP wants, then lets go and get him - we were not too far away from the asking price last year, but you know and I know that deal will not come off for one reason or another. Progression also goes to the youth players we are bringing through. We have some decent prospects there but I am at a loss as to why he isn't playing them, or sending them out on loan for development.
Some of the football this year has been really good and I have loved being there. However, some of it has been mundane and dire, and this needs to change. You can call me what you want but I am going to give it another year and I want to see progress. If not then I will pick and chose my games.
Depending on the weather, I will be there long after TP has gone.........       


Seriously do you think we were ever close to Everton? Everton have been a bigger club for years than us and you think we can compete with these.

And yes I want to see Albion reach 40 points if it means staying in the top flight. Does anyone seriously on here want to go back to the up and down of a few years ago or the lost years of the 90s when we were dancing on the pitch when we scored a late winner at crew etc. And please don't anyone tell me it was more fun then. I remember we had to hold a competition to design the Brummie and smethick seat design with all cash for entries going to Alan buckleys transfer kitty. We managed to buy tony Rees. I saw all that and don't wish to again. Let this man manage
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 03, 2017, 06:10:11 PM
he's a good manager if you just want uninspiring league safety. maybe this is the ceiling for our club, if so then I can understand the posters who want different. each to their own but even a relegation scrap was exciting, unless you end up going down of course. no doubt we needed his stability when appointed but I hope I am wrong in thinking his mantra of hitting the safety mark and his cup results wont change .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 03, 2017, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: Topman on May 03, 2017, 05:41:01 PM

Seriously do you think we were ever close to Everton? Everton have been a bigger club for years than us and you think we can compete with these.

And yes I want to see Albion reach 40 points if it means staying in the top flight. Does anyone seriously on here want to go back to the up and down of a few years ago or the lost years of the 90s when we were dancing on the pitch when we scored a late winner at crew etc. And please don't anyone tell me it was more fun then. I remember we had to hold a competition to design the Brummie and smethick seat design with all cash for entries going to Alan buckleys transfer kitty. We managed to buy tony Rees. I saw all that and don't wish to again. Let this man manage

I don't recall saying that.

Alan Buckley, been there done that, had the ST then too... a different era but it makes us realise how far we have come.

Not so long ago under Irvine we were heading very much in the wrong direction and TP arrived. I for one was very happy, but the evidence is there to suggest that he has reached his outer limits skills wise.

So, back to my original question - do you really want Albion to reach 40 points and hit the beach for the next five years?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on May 03, 2017, 06:47:13 PM
Just love TP, and hope he is here for many many more years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on May 03, 2017, 06:51:36 PM
It's that old saying again isn't it .. be careful what you wish for!

It's funny, but working in Solihull I'm surrounded by Blues & Villa fans that are always telling me they'd give anything to have Tony Pulis as their clubs manager.
Coming back from Saturdays defeat to Leicester, I overheard somebody saying that in Pulis's managerial career, at every club he's been at, he's won 6 out of 46 games played. Horrendous stats if true & a real damp squib end to the season, but ultimately we'll be the only local club plying it's trade in the Premier league again next season.
Personally, I think it'd be a massive gamble to get rid of him, but understand why fans are a little flat & a bit disillusioned atm. So let's get behind the bloke & pray for a couple more quality signings & hopefully improve our points tally & still be in the FA Cup this time next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on May 03, 2017, 06:58:21 PM
Quote from: wardy65 on May 03, 2017, 06:51:36 PM
It's that old saying again isn't it .. be careful what you wish for!

It's funny, but working in Solihull I'm surrounded by Blues & Villa fans that are always telling me they'd give anything to have Tony Pulis as their clubs manager.
Coming back from Saturdays defeat to Leicester, I overheard somebody saying that in Pulis's managerial career, at every club he's been at, he's won 6 out of 46 games played. Horrendous stats if true & a real damp squib end to the season, but ultimately we'll be the only local club plying it's trade in the Premier league again next season.
Personally, I think it'd be a massive gamble to get rid of him, but understand why fans are a little flat & a bit disillusioned atm. So let's get behind the bloke & pray for a couple more quality signings & hopefully improve our points tally & still be in the FA Cup this time next year.


Sorry folks if I've confused you with my above post ..

Meant to say .. since TP has got clubs safe from relegation he's won 6 from 46 games played.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 03, 2017, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: wardy65 on May 03, 2017, 06:51:36 PM
It's that old saying again isn't it .. be careful what you wish for!

It's funny, but working in Solihull I'm surrounded by Blues & Villa fans that are always telling me they'd give anything to have Tony Pulis as their clubs manager.
Coming back from Saturdays defeat to Leicester, I overheard somebody saying that in Pulis's managerial career, at every club he's been at, he's won 6 out of 46 games played. Horrendous stats if true & a real damp squib end to the season, but ultimately we'll be the only local club plying it's trade in the Premier league again next season.
Personally, I think it'd be a massive gamble to get rid of him, but understand why fans are a little flat & a bit disillusioned atm. So let's get behind the bloke & pray for a couple more quality signings & hopefully improve our points tally & still be in the FA Cup this time next year.
be nice to see us in a cup final.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 03, 2017, 07:21:16 PM
Pulis for me has done his bit, my lad no longer comes with me and will not whilst we play the style of football.  I have a ticket still for him, so a mate or two come with me, there are not many repeat takers.
What are their opinions well they can not for the life of them appreciate watching setting up every game for a nil, nil and the Brucey bonus of a set piece.
Most don't understand why Fletcher or the team in general can not as premiership players can not string 4/5 decent passes together, the rb or lb having to take throw ins on every occasion and instead of going forward when there is a real chance wingers or so called attacking midfielders pass backwards and stall the game.
I will be there again next season but friends and family maybe not.     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on May 03, 2017, 10:08:36 PM
The question for me is where do we go from here?

Regardless of our finishing position the concern for me is the development of the playing staff. We have a lot of players into their thirties and only the foolish would expect to keep asking them to continue to dig deep sooner or later their bodies and minds will find the athleticism of this league too much .

It is therefore time to go out sign and integrate players into the club . Regardless of the clubs intentions I think we need 7 plus a couple of our own kids .

Pulis has done well to get us this far whether he's the man to take it from this point I'm not sure .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 04, 2017, 01:08:29 AM
He defiantly had us punching above our weight but that's due to his stubbornness to play fletcher at all costs and play a centre back at full back and negative his tactics.

Some good signings made by him and he's got rid of a lot of deadwood. But wba will only ever do 40 points with him at the helm. The kids will never get a chance. Our only hope will ever be in the cups- and his record in the domestic cup competitions is abhorrant.

Need a golden handshake come summer and move on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wappingbaggie on May 04, 2017, 02:31:00 AM
League:   where we are at he moment is absolutely our ceiling - above it if anything - and we only reach here when we have great managers (Roy and TP) - I am 100% happy to jog along like this (anywhere between 8th and 14th, 40 points by easter) indefinitely - even more so when villa and wolves are not

Cup:  we have been absolutely awful I really dont know why but its really annoying. Of course we could and should do better

Europa:  If we could somehow fluke into that I'd love it just for the trips.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 04, 2017, 03:10:08 AM
We got roughly the 11th highest wage budget so being in 8th is overachieving. (Bournemouth seems to be bigger overachievers) so in that regard Tony is doing very well.

Idk, I think any club in our position will have a tough time having a good league position and do well in cup competitions because it's hard to build up that depth. So it's a trade off with league position compared to committing to cups.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 04, 2017, 08:43:21 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on April 30, 2017, 12:36:07 AM
We're 8th because majority of teams this season have been p*ss poor.

Haven't scored a goal in 5 games... 4 clean sheets all season ( if i remember right )... may not be a miracle but you can't deny we have been lucky this season.

Don't let our league position ATM pull the wool over your eyes, come the 22nd may that will be gone and unless pulis finds a bit of ambition from somewhere, we are in for a very long season next season.

No we are not. We are 8th because of our results and performances over the last 34 games. Nobody has given us anything, all the points we have, we're earned the old fashioned way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 04, 2017, 09:11:38 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on April 30, 2017, 12:36:07 AM
We're 8th because majority of teams this season have been p*ss poor.

Haven't scored a goal in 5 games... 4 clean sheets all season ( if i remember right )... may not be a miracle but you can't deny we have been lucky this season.

Don't let our league position ATM pull the wool over your eyes, come the 22nd may that will be gone and unless pulis finds a bit of ambition from somewhere, we are in for a very long season next season.

It's 6 clean sheets: Palace & Man Utd away, Boro,Sunderland, Burnley and Stoke at home. Still not great though.

I think we've been more unlucky in games than lucky. If Rondon hadn't made that stupid pass on Saturday we'd have been looking at our 7th clean sheet (and probably still our 5th game without a goal), it was bad luck that Fraser Forster had the best performance of his season against us for Soton..on another day we'd have had 2 or 3.

If we finish higher than last season then we've made progress surely? Obviously to not finish 8th with or without 50 points will feel like a kick in the b*lls but if we finish in the top 10 then it's still a positive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 04, 2017, 09:16:03 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 04, 2017, 09:11:38 AM
It's 6 clean sheets: Palace & Man Utd away, Boro,Sunderland, Burnley and Stoke at home. Still not great though.

I think we've been more unlucky in games than lucky. If Rondon hadn't made that stupid pass on Saturday we'd have been looking at our 7th clean sheet (and probably still our 5th game without a goal), it was bad luck that Fraser Forster had the best performance of his season against us for Soton..on another day we'd have had 2 or 3.

If we finish higher than last season then we've made progress surely? Obviously to not finish 8th with or without 50 points will feel like a kick in the b*lls but if we finish in the top 10 then it's still a positive.

We would have taken that at the start of the season Hull, so no complaints for me. However, given the change of ownership I am expecting progress and improvement for next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 04, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on May 04, 2017, 09:16:03 AM
We would have taken that at the start of the season Hull, so no complaints for me. However, given the change of ownership I am expecting progress and improvement for next year.

Couldn't agree more. I want to see us have another season free from relegation worries coupled with more consistent and entertaining performances on the park and a decent cup run; by that I mean 5th round as a minimum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 04, 2017, 09:32:45 AM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on May 04, 2017, 08:43:21 AM
No we are not. We are 8th because of our results and performances over the last 34 games. Nobody has given us anything, all the points we have, we're earned the old fashioned way.

A very old fashioned way, anti-football.

To stay in 8th despite two months of doing nothing to me shows how poor teams below us have been this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 04, 2017, 09:35:38 AM
Quote from: Mo on May 03, 2017, 10:08:36 PM
The question for me is where do we go from here?

Regardless of our finishing position the concern for me is the development of the playing staff. We have a lot of players into their thirties and only the foolish would expect to keep asking them to continue to dig deep sooner or later their bodies and minds will find the athleticism of this league too much .

It is therefore time to go out sign and integrate players into the club . Regardless of the clubs intentions I think we need 7 plus a couple of our own kids .

Pulis has done well to get us this far whether he's the man to take it from this point I'm not sure .

That's exactly it, we need to move on . We are so reluctant to move on the ageing players, because they're all 'good eggs'.  I'm not sure I trust Pulis to enhance this squad with round pegs in round holes. It needs a revamp.

Further to that, I do wonder how many players will want to come and sign for a side, regardless of wages, that is set up first and foremost to defend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 04, 2017, 09:38:08 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 04, 2017, 09:11:38 AM
It's 6 clean sheets: Palace & Man Utd away, Boro,Sunderland, Burnley and Stoke at home. Still not great though.

I think we've been more unlucky in games than lucky. If Rondon hadn't made that stupid pass on Saturday we'd have been looking at our 7th clean sheet (and probably still our 5th game without a goal), it was bad luck that Fraser Forster had the best performance of his season against us for Soton..on another day we'd have had 2 or 3.

If we finish higher than last season then we've made progress surely? Obviously to not finish 8th with or without 50 points will feel like a kick in the b*lls but if we finish in the top 10 then it's still a positive.

I would argue that you need to make your own luck at times. I get fed up of hearing people around me claiming the ball never drops for us. There is a reason why it doesn't, we have little or no movement in the side compared to other teams who are constantly on the move, so cumbersome at times.

On last season, anything this season had to be progress, as last season was the worst I have seen at our place in terms of entertainment. I struggle to remember many games where we've played the opposition off the park. Even the 4-0 against Burnley, they missed a couple of sitters at 0-0 and 1-0 and we scored with a couple of set pieces as ever. West Ham to win 4-2 we were dominated for the majority of the game, got the opener with a penalty where the lad randomly stuck out an arm with no danger and they could have quite easily eeked out a draw second half. Arsenal we had nothing of the ball and won it with set pieces as ever. Those would be our three best wins this season I would say.

I don't think under a new manager we would do any better in terms of position, but Christ it would be nice to see us play some football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 04, 2017, 09:42:19 AM
Quote from: Morany on May 04, 2017, 09:32:45 AM
A very old fashioned way, anti-football.

To stay in 8th despite two months of doing nothing to me shows how poor teams below us have been this season.

Another way to look at is that the teams from 8th to 17th are pretty similar and anyone of them can beat each other, after all there are only 10 points from 8th to 17th, but 37 points between 8th and 1st. That would suggest that the top 7 are markedly better than the rest but the rest are very similar.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 04, 2017, 09:47:13 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 04, 2017, 09:38:08 AM
I would argue that you need to make your own luck at times. I get fed up of hearing people around me claiming the ball never drops for us. There is a reason why it doesn't, we have little or no movement in the side compared to other teams who are constantly on the move, so cumbersome at times.

On last season, anything this season had to be progress, as last season was the worst I have seen at our place in terms of entertainment. I struggle to remember many games where we've played the opposition off the park. Even the 4-0 against Burnley, they missed a couple of sitters at 0-0 and 1-0 and we scored with a couple of set pieces as ever. West Ham to win 4-2 we were dominated for the majority of the game, got the opener with a penalty where the lad randomly stuck out an arm with no danger and they could have quite easily eeked out a draw second half. Arsenal we had nothing of the ball and won it with set pieces as ever. Those would be our three best wins this season I would say.

I don't think under a new manager we would do any better in terms of position, but Christ it would be nice to see us play some football.

Agree that we have little or no movement in the side, throw ins are a very stark reminder of this also the gap between the striker and the midfield and I'd love to see us play a more entertaining style of football.

What's wrong with scoring from set pieces? We have scored plenty from open play too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 04, 2017, 09:59:20 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 04, 2017, 09:47:13 AM
Agree that we have little or no movement in the side, throw ins are a very stark reminder of this also the gap between the striker and the midfield and I'd love to see us play a more entertaining style of football.

What's wrong with scoring from set pieces? We have scored plenty from open play too.

My sentiments exactly.

Nothing wrong with scoring from set pieces, it is a great string to have to the bow, but I don't feel that we do enough from open play. We have scored 39 goals this season, fewer than Swansea, Palace, West Ham, Bournemouth, Leicester etc. If 15 of those are from set pieces, I would argue that we have not scored enough from open play personally.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 04, 2017, 10:01:01 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 04, 2017, 09:42:19 AM
Another way to look at is that the teams from 8th to 17th are pretty similar and anyone of them can beat each other, after all there are only 10 points from 8th to 17th, but 37 points between 8th and 1st. That would suggest that the top 7 are markedly better than the rest but the rest are very similar.

Agree with that, however I think the likes of Southampton and West Ham are better than us in terms of calibre of player and should be above us. You could argue Leicester based on last season alone. Few under performers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on May 04, 2017, 10:25:04 AM
I really think he missed a golden opportunity to give Leko and Field starts, and move Dawson to CB when we were safe and still winning, maybe Palace at home for example.  Now they would come in to anxiety and rumblings, not good for them really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlterAlbion91 on May 04, 2017, 12:07:15 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 04, 2017, 09:38:08 AM
I would argue that you need to make your own luck at times. I get fed up of hearing people around me claiming the ball never drops for us. There is a reason why it doesn't, we have little or no movement in the side compared to other teams who are constantly on the move, so cumbersome at times.

On last season, anything this season had to be progress, as last season was the worst I have seen at our place in terms of entertainment. I struggle to remember many games where we've played the opposition off the park. Even the 4-0 against Burnley, they missed a couple of sitters at 0-0 and 1-0 and we scored with a couple of set pieces as ever. West Ham to win 4-2 we were dominated for the majority of the game, got the opener with a penalty where the lad randomly stuck out an arm with no danger and they could have quite easily eeked out a draw second half. Arsenal we had nothing of the ball and won it with set pieces as ever. Those would be our three best wins this season I would say.

I don't think under a new manager we would do any better in terms of position, but Christ it would be nice to see us play some football.


None of the goals against Burnley were set pieces. In fact goals 2 and 3 were brilliant counter attacking goals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lindenbaggie on May 04, 2017, 09:32:41 PM
Since the Premier League was formed in 1992/93, there have been 24 full seasons to the end of 2015/6. During that period, just 4 clubs (Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man C) have won it 22 times. During the same period, just 4 clubs (Arsenal, Man U,Chelsea and Liverpool) have won the FA Cup on 20 occasions.

This I believe puts not just our position in the grand scheme of things into perspective, but includes many other clubs, some of whom have a greater source of finance and a  bigger fan base than ours. The Championship is littered with bigger clubs than ours, but we are where we are on merit, so we should be proud of the fact that we have out performed the likes of Newcastle, Sunderland, and Leeds.

With regard to TP, the guy is a realist, who does what he can with what he's got. At some stage, I'm sure he'll write his memoirs, and will no doubt elaborate on his past decisions at all his clubs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 04, 2017, 11:53:41 PM
Can't argue with that Linden, welll said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 05, 2017, 08:04:40 AM
I don't think any of us realistically think we can win the league or the FA cup though.. We'd just like to get past the early rounds of either cup without being knocked out to lesser opponents, and not giving up after we hit 40 points in the league each year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 05, 2017, 09:11:23 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on May 05, 2017, 08:04:40 AM
I don't think any of us realistically think we can win the league or the FA cup though.. We'd just like to get past the early rounds of either cup without being knocked out to lesser opponents, and not giving up after we hit 40 points in the league each year

I'd be more happy with giving it ago and losing... rather than not being bothered and left to wonder 'what if'.

Pulis makes it very clear each season that his only aim is to get the team to 40 points (which is seen as safety)... anything more from us we are over-achieving and the brakes are put on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 05, 2017, 10:05:14 AM
Heard there's going to be Pulis masks handed out at last game of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on May 05, 2017, 10:07:55 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 05, 2017, 09:11:23 AM
I'd be more happy with giving it ago and losing... rather than not being bothered and left to wonder 'what if'.

Pulis makes it very clear each season that his only aim is to get the team to 40 points (which is seen as safety)... anything more from us we are over-achieving and the brakes are put on.

Yeah, I'm sure when we get to 40 points he tells the players to stop putting in effort and to miss the easier chances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 05, 2017, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on May 05, 2017, 10:07:55 AM
Yeah, I'm sure when we get to 40 points he tells the players to stop putting in effort and to miss the easier chances.
If he gets credit for hitting 40 points then he has to shoulder responsibility for the results since.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 05, 2017, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on May 05, 2017, 10:07:55 AM
Yeah, I'm sure when we get to 40 points he tells the players to stop putting in effort and to miss the easier chances.

Don't suppose you have a theory on why his team's are always p*ss poor after reaching safety in the league?

Didn't think so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 05, 2017, 11:08:26 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 05, 2017, 11:03:26 AM
Don't suppose you have a theory on why his team's are always p*ss poor after reaching safety in the league?

Didn't think so.

it's not just Pulis though, it happened before he got here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 05, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 05, 2017, 09:11:23 AM
I'd be more happy with giving it ago and losing... rather than not being bothered and left to wonder 'what if'.

Pulis makes it very clear each season that his only aim is to get the team to 40 points (which is seen as safety)... anything more from us we are over-achieving and the brakes are put on.

This is more of a problem about how terrible modern day football/the premiership is, rather than being Pulis's fault though.

Our goal SHOULD be to win the league, as should the other 19 teams.

The fact that finishing 18-20th is so financially damaging and there are 6 teams who can outspend everyone else 10 fold, means we get this boring draining safety first mentality.

The club and manager are only acting rationally and intelligently. Unfortunately its not going to change anytime soon without some serious reform

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 05, 2017, 11:27:21 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on May 05, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
This is more of a problem about how terrible modern day football/the premiership is, rather than being Pulis's fault though.

Our goal SHOULD be to win the league, as should the other 19 teams.

The fact that finishing 18-20th is so financially damaging and there are 6 teams who can outspend everyone else 10 fold, means we get this boring draining safety first mentality.

The club and manager are only acting rationally and intelligently. Unfortunately its not going to change anytime soon without some serious reform

That still doesn't give a valid reason as to why we can't reach safety and atleast put effort into the cups at the same time.

No one is expecting us to achieve anything in regards to winning silverware... all we all want is to see pulis set the team up to have a go and win and the players put the work in each game... how is that due to how terrible the premiership is?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on May 05, 2017, 12:01:32 PM
I want TP to be given a 5 year contract.
Set up a dynasty..lots of positives.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 05, 2017, 12:05:00 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on May 05, 2017, 12:01:32 PM
I want TP to be given a 5 year contract.
Set up a dynasty..lots of positives.

You're getting boring now  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 05, 2017, 12:09:49 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on May 05, 2017, 12:01:32 PM
I want TP to be given a 5 year contract.
Set up a dynasty..lots of positives.

such as?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on May 05, 2017, 12:26:01 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on May 05, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
This is more of a problem about how terrible modern day football/the premiership is, rather than being Pulis's fault though.

Our goal SHOULD be to win the league, as should the other 19 teams.

The fact that finishing 18-20th is so financially damaging and there are 6 teams who can outspend everyone else 10 fold, means we get this boring draining safety first mentality.

The club and manager are only acting rationally and intelligently. Unfortunately its not going to change anytime soon without some serious reform

Our goal should be to be competitive in the league, to do this we need to get a little better each season.A big help to do this would be to install a mental strategy to play to get a maximum ament of points out of each season & forget the 40 points & it's over mentality. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on May 05, 2017, 02:11:50 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 05, 2017, 12:05:00 PM
You're getting boring now  ::)
Your anti TP  posts are ...well just a tad embarrassing...you do SUPPORT Albion?, as you do come across as very negative about them in the vast majority of your posts concerning them...I wonder why you bother if you dislike the club so much...try bring positive...it's good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on May 05, 2017, 02:13:56 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 05, 2017, 12:09:49 PM
such as?


Too many to list pal...but I'll start with 8th place, ..there are many many more...and perhaps one more will be if you pack in "supporting", and leave it to the ones that do enjoy going.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 05, 2017, 02:16:40 PM
So basically...8th place is the only one then  ;D

Thought as much...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 05, 2017, 02:26:06 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on May 05, 2017, 02:13:56 PM

Too many to list pal...but I'll start with 8th place, ..there are many many more...and perhaps one more will be if you pack in "supporting", and leave it to the ones that do enjoy going.

That's a terrible post. Give up. Message boards aren't for you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 05, 2017, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on May 05, 2017, 02:11:50 PM
Your anti TP  posts are ...well just a tad embarrassing...you do SUPPORT Albion?, as you do come across as very negative about them in the vast majority of your posts concerning them...I wonder why you bother if you dislike the club so much...try bring positive...it's good.

Maybe, but you're constant fishing is worse.  Back up what you say with a reasoned arguement and we can continue.

They're not really are they. I'm negative about the bloke in charge, not my club. Already renewed  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on May 05, 2017, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on May 05, 2017, 12:01:32 PM
I want TP to be given a 5 year contract.
Set up a dynasty..lots of positives.
if this happened I won't be going again after this season. TP is a dinosaur and should go after swansea
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on May 05, 2017, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on May 05, 2017, 02:13:56 PM

Too many to list pal...but I'll start with 8th place, ..there are many many more...and perhaps one more will be if you pack in "supporting", and leave it to the ones that do enjoy going.
we all have the time to read this endless list of TP positives you say you can post so please post them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: newbaggie on May 05, 2017, 04:44:50 PM
If TP were to go, I assume it would be john Williams who would recommend replacements. Anyone know what his track record is?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 05, 2017, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: mikehy on May 05, 2017, 02:43:02 PM
we all have the time to read this endless list of TP positives you say you can post so please post them
Great post.
Perhaps he could post this amazing list of positives at say, 3pm on a matchday? At least it would give us all something to read during the game instead of having to watch the double dog sh-te being played out on (or usually above) the pitch? Although as you suggest, it will no doubt be a pretty short list as below...
1- not relegated
2- 8th, no 9th, errr hang on 10th (just pick the one we end up at by the end of the season)
3- safe from relegation
4- not in bottom three at end of season
5- Effective use of baseball cap to avoid sun in eyes
6- finishing out of relegation spots
7- with brexit upon us, making sure not to sign any of those talented European footballing types so as not to muddy those waters
8- In a time when so many people are losing the curvature of the spines due to spending so much time looking down at our smart phones, many wba match going fans are seeing a reverse of this trend due to spending so much time looking in the sky as our centre half " just does it!" as per the screamed instruction from the touchline by tp
Etc etc etc.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 06, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: Manc Baggie on May 05, 2017, 06:17:14 PM

8- In a time when so many people are losing the curvature of the spines due to spending so much time looking down at our smart phones, many wba match going fans are seeing a reverse of this trend due to spending so much time looking in the sky as our centre half " just does it!" as per the screamed instruction from the touchline by tp


Not entirely sure about this one I tend to find myself looking at my phone and reading Albion News (excellent read by the way) while I'm waiting for us to get a set piece opportunity in the opponents half.

However I would add one I think you have missed

9. Keeping us out of unseemly transfer wrangles when top 6 clubs come in for our younger players by not playing them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 06, 2017, 11:35:07 AM
Quote from: Standaman on May 06, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
Not entirely sure about this one I tend to find myself looking at my phone and reading Albion News (excellent read by the way) while I'm waiting for us to get a set piece opportunity in the opponents half.

However I would add one I think you have missed

9. Keeping us out of unseemly transfer wrangles when top 6 clubs come in for our younger players by not playing them.
Spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on May 06, 2017, 05:14:27 PM
Yeah we have done well with our resources but jesus how boring are we.

Come on Albion, light a fire under your ar$e!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 06, 2017, 05:22:50 PM
Don't understand why we persist in setting up so negatively and defensively when it's inevitable that we're going to need to score as we will concede.

We've only kept 6 clean sheets all season, 2nd bottom (in front of Hull) for the entire Premier League. That's level with Sunderland, Palace and Swansea. What's the point when it clearly isn't working? I'd hate to see how many we concede if we didn't set up so defensively..

Edit: Just as a bit of analysis as I'm bored. The teams we have kept clean sheets against (bar Man Utd) are all in the bottom 6 of goals scored this season - Palace, Stoke, Sunderland, Middlesborough, Burnley. I think that shows that we aren't actually that good defensively, and that any team that has any sort of creative attacking threat, or a decent striker can score against us.

It also shows that apart from 6 games this season, we've had to score at least 1 goal to get at least 1 point. In a team that doesn't score many and that doesn't set up to attack that's always going to be a big problem.

The way I see it is that we've required a goal to get at least a point in 30 games this season. Keeping a clean sheet has only got us points in 6 games this season. Surely it's time to give it a bit more of a go in games, and take the game to the opposition?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 06, 2017, 05:24:15 PM
Speechless time for a change
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 06, 2017, 05:28:09 PM
The line that's trotted out is "we need to move up a level" and "we need better players to take the team forward". The irony is Pulis has never done that. He has always hovered around 10-14th. Great at not going down and stabilizing but why would we assume he can move us on?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 06, 2017, 05:34:42 PM
Realistically though, this squad just isnt good enough rn to move on.

I feel expectation is outweighing the realities of our club, and that is never good.

Our squad isnt in the top 10 in the league, maybe not even the top 15

Weve overachieved massively this season, have played some good stuff but mainly got there by playing the percentages.

To replace pulis and transform the style we play would be one of the biggest jobs in the league, and with the level of expectation now being shown, i very much doubt people calling for a manager whos got us to 8th in the league now, would show the level of patience needed for such a big job.

Im not trying to belittle fellow fans as we all have a right to a opinion and theres nothing wrong with that, but i think reality checks are needed before we possibley make the mistakes charlton did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 06, 2017, 05:35:24 PM
That being said, today there was glimpses, but it has been painful to watch the last 5 or so games. We look absolutley knackered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 06, 2017, 05:43:23 PM
I agree but what do you say after next seasons boring, dire, dross!

Just ask yourself how many seasons did you see Stoke at the hawthorns playing our style now?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 06, 2017, 05:49:32 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on May 06, 2017, 05:35:24 PM
That being said, today there was glimpses, but it has been painful to watch the last 5 or so games. We look absolutley knackered.

Looking at some other stats if anyone is interested.

We've used the fewest amount of different players this season in the entire league. 20 in total. That also includes comedy appearances by Rickie Lambert and Berahino at the start of the season. Compare that with teams around us at the moment such as Everton (26), Leicester (25), Southampton (25), Bournemouth (25) and West Ham (28) and it's easy to see why our team looks tired (not just physically), but tired in the sense that it's pretty much the same players picked every week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on May 06, 2017, 05:52:03 PM
I know we were hopeless before Pulis came but how long did it take for the Albion to become a Pulis team?

Maybe a month. With the better players we have now it wouldn't take a miracle to spark a bit of inspiration into this team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 06, 2017, 06:10:40 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on May 06, 2017, 05:52:03 PM
I know we were hopeless before Pulis came but how long did it take for the Albion to become a Pulis team?

Maybe a month. With the better players we have now it wouldn't take a miracle to spark a bit of inspiration into this team.
Your bang on with this comment. We have a decent first eleven, but not enough squad depth in my opinion, which is something the club needs to address. With regard to the only tp could keep this squad up, I simply don't buy it. I would take craig Shakespeare over tp right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 06, 2017, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: Manc Baggie on May 06, 2017, 06:10:40 PM
Your bang on with this comment. We have a decent first eleven, but not enough squad depth in my opinion, which is something the club needs to address. With regard to the only tp could keep this squad up, I simply don't buy it. I would take craig Shakespeare over tp right now.

Exactly my point above. We've used the fewest players for a reason. This gives us a number of problems:

1. There isn't enough decent competition for places, meaning the starting 11 get complacent
2. If we get an injury our form slumps as we have no backup (see Phillips, or the striker situation)
3. Players end up being played out of position and shoe-horned into the team (two left-wingers, 4 CBs, etc)
4. The team lacks freshness (for lack of a better word) and we see the same 11 faces pretty much every week
5. The opposition's preparation is made easier due to playing the same players and style each week
6. The players are more injury prone and tired. Especially with our ageing squad


Hoping this will he addressed a bit in the summer. A few new faces to break into the starting 11 and give us a bit of variety when it's not working, or at least a couple of different strategies for different oppositions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 06, 2017, 06:41:43 PM
I do agree with you views but its ambition we lack throughout the club.
Were happy to give players contracts that no other club would.
Saido we sold because it was take it or leave it but apart from him who else has gone because clubs have come looking other than the kids.
Mozza no one wanted him on a free and we gave him a contract says a lot does it.
Ollie money wasted.
Brunty given a contract.
GMac given a contract.
Fletcher offered a new contract.
All old players, not one coming to their peak.
There is no succession plan and them bowing out gracefully.
Kids not played or just binned without a chance after first professional contract.
Pulis likes 40 points, likes old men, likes saying we need youth, but does not have any other ambition
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ALFABAGGIE on May 06, 2017, 11:07:28 PM
Can't see too much changing next season if I'm honest. Even if we spend say 40-60 mil I can't see the actual style of football changing, I think TP will just go for players to fit his low possession get back into a defensive shape style. In saying that I think he has earnt the right to go again next season but he has to be backed then he can have no excuse i.e. "We need better players and we still have players here from the past regime". If not a lot changes in the summer it's going to be the same old same old but with other clubs like Saints, West Ham, Stoke, Palace not to mention a few others all possibly under achieving this season we could be looking over our shoulder come next May. Ultimately it comes down to the new owners, just how ambitious are they and what do they want us to be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on May 07, 2017, 01:17:21 AM
Quote from: ALFABAGGIE on May 06, 2017, 11:07:28 PM
Can't see too much changing next season if I'm honest. Even if we spend say 40-60 mil I can't see the actual style of football changing, I think TP will just go for players to fit his low possession get back into a defensive shape style. In saying that I think he has earnt the right to go again next season but he has to be backed then he can have no excuse i.e. "We need better players and we still have players here from the past regime". If not a lot changes in the summer it's going to be the same old same old but with other clubs like Saints, West Ham, Stoke, Palace not to mention a few others all possibly under achieving this season we could be looking over our shoulder come next May. Ultimately it comes down to the new owners, just how ambitious are they and what do they want us to be.

No... he lost that right with the appalling displays since hitting the 40 point mark...

I'm hoping that the New Owners will see this and we go for New Manager a minute or two after the final whistle at Swansea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on May 07, 2017, 01:19:30 AM
Im sure a lot of what we are saying has already been said on the oatcake.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ALFABAGGIE on May 07, 2017, 03:27:36 AM
This is a very damaging run of results for TP personally. Especially what happened at the back end of last season and the beginning of this to be fair, what was it, something like 2 wins in about 20 games when you combine the two seasons...No matter how you slice it that's relegation form and I don't care if it is over two seasons it's still two wins in about twenty Fact, if that happens again next season god only knows what the reaction will be and the club want to sell more season tickets...good luck with that one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tegga on May 07, 2017, 08:21:49 AM
As a season ticket holder I would be quite content on going down the Albion and see us winning more games than we lose, watching us play good football and scoring goals. I have given up on any hope of us winning anything, but we should be capable of decent cup runs. Now the question is, can Tony Pulis deliver this to me? I am thinking at this moment in time the answer is no. Could he in the future? very debatable, I do not like his style of play he imposes on the players, but at the same time I think some of the players are not good enough. At this moment I think the owners will stick with Tony, but they need to give him the money to buy better players. Would we then see a solid team that can keep possession of the ball when we have it and build decent goal scoring opportunities. If this were to happen my season ticket for next season could be good value, I live in hope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 07, 2017, 08:27:10 AM
Quote from: tegga on May 07, 2017, 08:21:49 AM
As a season ticket holder I would be quite content on going down the Albion and see us winning more games than we lose, watching us play good football and scoring goals. I have given up on any hope of us winning anything, but we should be capable of decent cup runs. Now the question is, can Tony Pulis deliver this to me? I am thinking at this moment in time the answer is no. Could he in the future? very debatable, I do not like his style of play he imposes on the players, but at the same time I think some of the players are not good enough. At this moment I think the owners will stick with Tony, but they need to give him the money to buy better players. Would we then see a solid team that can keep possession of the ball when we have it and build decent goal scoring opportunities. If this were to happen my season ticket for next season could be good value, I live in hope.
When you see players like Livermore , Fletcher and Chadli who are known to be good on the ball smashing it to nowhere i think you have your answer regarding better players under Pulis.
Good post .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 07, 2017, 08:36:55 AM
The fans wont be disappointed in the performances just the results, this is what Pulis spouts!
The guy has the skin of a Rhino, and as is blind as a bat, I know Lai wont get rid of him as he only comes to see the top clubs and is happy with his 4/5 match season ticket.
Never wanted him and when the Smethwick sing "Weve got Tony Pulis" I could cry.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 07, 2017, 08:39:31 AM
Quote from: Dexy on May 07, 2017, 08:27:10 AM
When you see players like Livermore , Fletcher and Chadli who are known to be good on the ball smashing it to nowhere i think you have your answer regarding better players under Pulis.
Good post .

Livermore in particular had an average pass completion rating of 85% at Hull this season and that has dropped to 75% and that is purely down to the way we are asking him to play. In fairness the stats for Chadli are pretty much the same for us as they were for Spurs last season, some things he's been better at here but you have to take into account he didn't have many full games for them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tegga on May 07, 2017, 08:42:20 AM
Carrying on from my previous post, Tony Pulis is not daft he is a football man he can see the problems, surely. If he could build the team he wants what kind of football would we see? At the moment it is tripe, and for most of the season not much better. Even when we were winning we showing signs of the way we are playing now. Yes you can accept the performance when you win and scoring three goals a game, but you always know we could go on a bad run just as having a good run. There are so many issues on the way forward for the owners to address, not least the declining attendance's put down to our style of play. Is our Tone the problem?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on May 07, 2017, 09:07:22 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on May 06, 2017, 05:22:50 PM
Don't understand why we persist in setting up so negatively and defensively when it's inevitable that we're going to need to score as we will concede.

We've only kept 6 clean sheets all season, 2nd bottom (in front of Hull) for the entire Premier League. That's level with Sunderland, Palace and Swansea. What's the point when it clearly isn't working? I'd hate to see how many we concede if we didn't set up so defensively..

Edit: Just as a bit of analysis as I'm bored. The teams we have kept clean sheets against (bar Man Utd) are all in the bottom 6 of goals scored this season - Palace, Stoke, Sunderland, Middlesborough, Burnley. I think that shows that we aren't actually that good defensively, and that any team that has any sort of creative attacking threat, or a decent striker can score against us.

It also shows that apart from 6 games this season, we've had to score at least 1 goal to get at least 1 point. In a team that doesn't score many and that doesn't set up to attack that's always going to be a big problem.

The way I see it is that we've required a goal to get at least a point in 30 games this season. Keeping a clean sheet has only got us points in 6 games this season. Surely it's time to give it a bit more of a go in games, and take the game to the opposition?

Last season people were moaning that we concentrated on our defence too much to the detriment of our attacking

This season, we have improved attacking wise and this has had an effect on our defence which it is bound to do

Damned of you do, damned of you dont with Pulis, and goes a long way to explain that some people just dont like Pulis no matter what he does
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on May 07, 2017, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: ALFABAGGIE on May 07, 2017, 03:27:36 AM
This is a very damaging run of results for TP personally. Especially what happened at the back end of last season and the beginning of this to be fair, what was it, something like 2 wins in about 20 games when you combine the two seasons...No matter how you slice it that's relegation form and I don't care if it is over two seasons it's still two wins in about twenty Fact, if that happens again next season god only knows what the reaction will be and the club want to sell more season tickets...good luck with that one.

Its not relegation form though is it??

Were 8th

And saying 'something' like 2 wins in 20 and then pronouncing it as fact doesnt work for me or for anyone

Actually research and post up true figures for fact rather than making something up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 07, 2017, 09:16:04 AM
Quote from: Ukar1 on May 05, 2017, 02:13:56 PM

Too many to list pal...but I'll start with 8th place, ..there are many many more...and perhaps one more will be if you pack in "supporting", and leave it to the ones that do enjoy going.

So your "lots of positives" is  1 then? Like a lot of your posts you don't actually have a solid answer to back up your arguments. I merely asked you to explain your rather short comment, shame you couldn't come up with anything before trying to turn it on me. Pathetic really.
Don't patronise me either "Pal". I do support the team, if you'd bother to read my posts you'd see this. I enjoy my home and away games (I wouldn't travel for 5/6 hrs on trains for home games if I didn't).
I am generally positive about the team and Pulis but I'm also not blind and will criticise when I see fit.

I feel that finishing in the top 10 will be a positive even though finishing lower than 8th will be a let down considering we have been 8th since December.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jefferson on May 07, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on May 06, 2017, 05:34:42 PM
Weve overachieved massively this season, have played some good stuff but mainly got there by playing the percentages.

Have we overachieved significantly? We could easily drop out the top 10. We're on 45 points and won't pick up many more from our last 3. Under Clarke and Hodgson we finished on 49, 47 and 47 so have pretty much gone back to that level. Pulis has done well to stabilise things similar to what Hodgson did but the football is painful.

The likes of West Ham, Leicester and Southampton have under performed below us after overachieving last season (but 2 of those have had Europe and cup runs and West Ham struggled with a stadium move).

We know there's mostly a glass ceiling in this league for clubs like ours but you can aspire to more than just 40 something points and a negative goal difference. A similar sized club like Stoke the last three seasons under Hughes got 50+ points and never managed that under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 07, 2017, 09:28:18 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on May 07, 2017, 08:39:31 AM
Livermore in particular had an average pass completion rating of 85% at Hull this season and that has dropped to 75% and that is purely down to the way we are asking him to play. In fairness the stats for Chadli are pretty much the same for us as they were for Spurs last season, some things he's been better at here but you have to take into account he didn't have many full games for them.
As you say its how they are asked to play most of the time , the passing is my biggest issue with Pulis and i find it painful to see decent players like i mentioned hoofing it out of play because there is only one option ( Rondon) if at all.
Simply that style puts pressure on us , is awful to watch and is only down to one person for all his other good things he has done here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 07, 2017, 09:46:48 AM
I saw negative comments about the selection yesterday. I actually thought it sent the right message as the players who were left out were the sleepiest against Leicester - Morrison, Yacob, and Nyom and Chadli's form has been well under par for some time.

Teams play with more confidence when they know there are goal threats in the team. We badly lack that at the moment. Our lack of striker options is chronic and we miss Phillips badly as he can set the tone in games, makes himself available for the ball and generally works hard (as in wanting the ball and having enough quality to his game to create chances).
The Pulis line-up and playing style at the moment is severely restricted by the players at his disposal.
He has commented about liking a smallish squad but I think he's bright enough to realise that we are suffering from having an ageing small squad at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 07, 2017, 11:35:23 AM
I'm not going to criticise the outcome a top half finish is not to be sniffed at. However I cannot and will never accept that the only way we can achieve is through these desperately negative tactics. It is always the players isn't it? Chadli was the big summer upgrade but now is being dismissed as as a bit of a dud.

Rondon can't score and needs to be shipped out. Sorry but the Hawthorns is rapidly becoming the place where forwards take their careers to die a slow death of starvation level  service and it is not as if the squad is completely bereft of players that can actually pass the ball.

All that said there is no way on this Earth that he is going anywhere so there is nothing much long term fans like myself can do is just wait for something to change and hope that isn't a truly terrible run of results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 07, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: Standaman on May 07, 2017, 11:35:23 AM
I'm not going to criticise the outcome a top half finish is not to be sniffed at. However I cannot and will never accept that the only way we can achieve is through these desperately negative tactics. It is always the players isn't it? Chadli was the big summer upgrade but now is being dismissed as as a bit of a dud.

Rondon can't score and needs to be shipped out. Sorry but the Hawthorns is rapidly becoming the place where forwards take their careers to die a slow death of starvation level  service and it is not as if the squad is completely bereft of players that can actually pass the ball.

All that said there is no way on this Earth that he is going anywhere so there is nothing much long term fans like myself can do is just wait for something to change and hope that isn't a truly terrible run of results.

It's not even like we're playing well defensively to justify setting up so negatively. Second lowest clean sheets in the league this year, and conceded in 29 out of 35 games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 07, 2017, 04:00:16 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on May 07, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
It's not even like we're playing well defensively to justify setting up so negatively. Second lowest clean sheets in the league this year, and conceded in 29 out of 35 games.

Never let it be said I can't give praise where it is due. While the clean sheet record is nothing to write home about the overall the goals conceded column is better than most teams in the mid-table mix and hugely better than all those in and around the relegation zone.

Defensively we are as about as a solid as a team which positively invites the opposition to attack us can be  we concede roughly 13 shots per game when the opposition to  and are conceding 1.25 goals a game. Swansea have conceded shots at a similar rate but have concede 20 goals more. 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 07, 2017, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 07, 2017, 04:00:16 PM
Never let it be said I can't give praise where it is due. While the clean sheet record is nothing to write home about the overall the goals conceded column is better than most teams in the mid-table mix and hugely better than all those in and around the relegation zone.

Defensively we are as about as a solid as a team which positively invites the opposition to attack us can be  we concede roughly 13 shots per game when the opposition to  and are conceding 1.25 goals a game. Swansea have conceded shots at a similar rate but have concede 20 goals more.

Saying that though we've still needed to score at least 1 goal in 29 games this season to even get a point. Setting up negatively and defensively doesn't help with this. We might not be letting in 3 or 4 too often, but we also don't score more than 1 very often either, and when we aren't scoring for 6 games and not keeping clean sheets, 1 goal is enough to take all 3 points off us.

There's got to be some middle ground somewhere, where we don't have to set up so negatively and actively go looking for the first goal, rather than trying to hold on to a clean sheet that invariably isn't coming, and then reacting once we concede the goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 07, 2017, 09:25:45 PM
There was a chat about the relegation battle from the Championship on the Sunday Supplement this morning. All three clubs (Blues, Forest, Blackburn) got into dodgy ownership in one form or another.  Blackburn have now dropped to league 1. They were of course mid table prem when the new owners thought it wise to replace big Sam with Steve Keane to be a bit more entertaining. Venky's have been a disaster for them but it just shows how things can go pear shaped with an ill advised decision.

I appreciate that the last 6 or 7 weeks have been difficult but we are blatantly ill equiped to maintain good form for 38 games at the moment which in my opinion Pulis should carry only a small part of the blame for. We need to strengthen in the summer window and see how we go in the first half of next season before the job Pulis is doing can be properly judged.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 07, 2017, 10:16:55 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 07, 2017, 09:25:45 PM
There was a chat about the relegation battle from the Championship on the Sunday Supplement this morning. All three clubs (Blues, Forest, Blackburn) got into dodgy ownership in one form or another.  Blackburn have now dropped to league 1. They were of course mid table prem when the new owners thought it wise to replace big Sam with Steve Keane to be a bit more entertaining. Venky's have been a disaster for them but it just shows how things can go pear shaped with an ill advised decision.

I appreciate that the last 6 or 7 weeks have been difficult but we are blatantly ill equiped to maintain good form for 38 games at the moment which in my opinion Pulis should carry only a small part of the blame for. We need to strengthen in the summer window and see how we go in the first half of next season before the job Pulis is doing can be properly judged.
I agree. A very ageing squad.Lot of work needs to be done.Will it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 07, 2017, 11:24:57 PM
I think the cup failings this year is on Tony but given the year and the lack of resources he was given as opposed to team's around us it's been a big success so far.

Now next year we need better depth to handle a cup run or 2 and try to keep a top 11 finish. I'll give Tony some times next year to see how the new signings play out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 08, 2017, 06:48:13 AM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 07, 2017, 11:24:57 PM
I think the cup failings this year is on Tony but given the year and the lack of resources he was given as opposed to team's around us it's been a big success so far.

Now next year we need better depth to handle a cup run or 2 and try to keep a top 11 finish. I'll give Tony some times next year to see how the new signings play out.

Don't agree with that.
Against Derby we had enough chances to win three games.
Sometimes you have to put some of the blame on the players, they have to take responsibility
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 08, 2017, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on May 08, 2017, 06:48:13 AM
Don't agree with that.
Against Derby we had enough chances to win three games.
Sometimes you have to put some of the blame on the players, they have to take responsibility

Agree with you on this.
 Pulis has been continually slated by some posters for not taking the cups seriously yet in his first season we got to the quarter finals and last season we got through to the 5th round so really it's only this season we've been knocked out early.

I'd agree we don't seem to challenge much in the league cup but that's hardly down to Pulis either, it happened under Clarke and Irvine as well in fact Di Matteo is the last coach I can think off who gave us a decent league cup run.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 08, 2017, 09:40:57 AM
The fact we won't reach 50 points is criminal from Pulis. Could've broken a club record but instead we broke one for not scoring goals. Woeful.

To come out and slate fans that post online is a bit stupid of the bloke as well. We are losing fans thanks to this bloke, that won't help.

The thing about his teams being defensively solid is a huge myth. To only have 6 CS from the way we set up is a terrible record.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on May 08, 2017, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 07, 2017, 11:24:57 PM
I think the cup failings this year is on Tony but given the year and the lack of resources he was given  as opposed to team's around us it's been a big success so far.

Now next year we need better depth to handle a cup run or 2 and try to keep a top 11 finish. I'll give Tony some times next year to see how the new signings play out.

I've seen this a few times and I'm not sure it's true. We've spent £32m this summer and also bid £20m for Carvalho and Pulis vetoed an £18m deal for Camacho. There was quite a bit of money available. The squad's shortcomings are largely (but not entirely) TP's doing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 08, 2017, 01:33:48 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 08, 2017, 09:40:57 AM
The fact we won't reach 50 points is criminal from Pulis. Could've broken a club record but instead we broke one for not scoring goals. Woeful.

To come out and slate fans that post online is a bit stupid of the bloke as well. We are losing fans thanks to this bloke, that won't help.

The thing about his teams being defensively solid is a huge myth. To only have 6 CS from the way we set up is a terrible record.

Saw similar somewhere else too. Did he say something post game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 08, 2017, 01:42:51 PM
“There’s been a bit of moaning and groaning they tell me but the websites and the internet, people who don’t go to games, they sit on there and try and do stuff.

“I’m not into it so I don’t understand how it works but it seems to get out there and nobody knows who’s saying it or doing it"

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-tony-pulis-fantastic-12997804
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 08, 2017, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 08, 2017, 01:42:51 PM
“There’s been a bit of moaning and groaning they tell me but the websites and the internet, people who don’t go to games, they sit on there and try and do stuff.

“I’m not into it so I don’t understand how it works but it seems to get out there and nobody knows who’s saying it or doing it"

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-tony-pulis-fantastic-12997804

Hmm bit of a strange thing to say really. Only going to cause one kind of response that. I go to games anyway, so can't be talking about me  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 08, 2017, 01:49:48 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 08, 2017, 09:40:57 AM
The fact we won't reach 50 points is criminal from Pulis. Could've broken a club record but instead we broke one for not scoring goals. Woeful.

To come out and slate fans that post online is a bit stupid of the bloke as well. We are losing fans thanks to this bloke, that won't help.

The thing about his teams being defensively solid is a huge myth. To only have 6 CS from the way we set up is a terrible record.

I find that a bit disrespectful to be honest. Many of the fans who offer an opinion on this site [for example] are able to do so because they have been to the games.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 08, 2017, 01:52:44 PM
He's running out of stuff to say. Football is coming under criticism and a large portion of our fanbase can see that it's not actually that good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 08, 2017, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 08, 2017, 01:42:51 PM
“There’s been a bit of moaning and groaning they tell me but the websites and the internet, people who don’t go to games, they sit on there and try and do stuff.

“I’m not into it so I don’t understand how it works but it seems to get out there and nobody knows who’s saying it or doing it"

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-tony-pulis-fantastic-12997804
"they sit on there and try and do stuff."
Wtf does that even mean?
What are they trying to do exactly? The splits? Juggle? Start World War 3?

Sounds like he's dissing people, for dissing something that they don't understand, then admitting that he doesn't understand how they do it. ???

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 08, 2017, 02:50:56 PM
His comments are rather demeaning, those who criticise me are the saddos who spend all day on the internet and don’t come to games.  Those who support me are the vociferous loyal supporters like those who travelled to Burnley and gave the team great support.  Pulis likes to frame the narrative and he does it well regardless of the truth.  However, if those who don’t like him are happy to dish it out I guess we should accept it when he does likewise.  I’ve had a season ticket for 20 years cheers Tone and follow us home and away and I still think you’re a muppet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 08, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
I would gladly sit down one on one with our Tony and air my grievances to him so that he 'knows who is saying it'.

I go to games, don't go away anymore as it is painful enough watching it every other week at home, I am not just sat there at a computer screen looking at the result and the stats of the game to form the opinion. Find his comments quite ludicrous really as he is speaking as if it is a minority of fans who feel that way and it is the 'fans' who do not see the matches week in week out when it is quite the opposite.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 08, 2017, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 08, 2017, 01:42:51 PM
“There’s been a bit of moaning and groaning they tell me but the websites and the internet, people who don’t go to games, they sit on there and try and do stuff.

“I’m not into it so I don’t understand how it works but it seems to get out there and nobody knows who’s saying it or doing it"

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-tony-pulis-fantastic-12997804

Potentially good news this, as at least it might mean that someone at the club is noticing & feeding back the negative comments being made by us 'internet' users.
Its no surprise tp is "not into it so I don't understand how it works" after all its only been around for about 20 years & as tp is still in the football dark ages, its understandable why he is in the internet dark ages too.
There are plenty of fans who either can't or wont go to the games as long as tp is in charge. I am certainly one of the latter. However thanks to this mysterious thing called the internet, most games are viewable in pubs to watch & express opinions on. But it seems these appear to be invalid unless you are actually in the ground, home or away. You might need to get a quote from the club dissing internet users positive comments too if viewing via the internet makes an opinion invalid, although good luck finding too many of those.
To whom ever is reading this at the club, please pass on my best wishes to tp for the sterling job he has done in keeping us up the last couple of years, but please also pass on my heartfelt plea for tp to jog on now, so we may have a shot at some talented foreign players in the transfer market, some entertaining football that doesn't rely on set pieces as our only real offensive weapon, a serious attempt at a cup run with our strongest team, maybe using a few of the young players being churned out by this thing we have called the academy and for a season that doesn't end at 40 points rendering the last 10-ish games the usual sandals & sunglasses affairs we have 'enjoyed' for the last 2 seasons. Cheers tp, enjoy your retirement, preferably starting today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on May 08, 2017, 03:12:22 PM
Quote from: Manc Baggie on May 08, 2017, 03:05:29 PM
Potentially good news this, as at least it might mean that someone at the club is noticing & feeding back the negative comments being made by us 'internet' users.
Its no surprise tp is "not into it so I don't understand how it works" after all its only been around for about 20 years & as tp is still in the football dark ages, its understandable why he is in the internet dark ages too.
There are plenty of fans who either can't or wont go to the games as long as tp is in charge. I am certainly one of the latter. However thanks to this mysterious thing called the internet, most games are viewable in pubs to watch & express opinions on. But it seems these appear to be invalid unless you are actually in the ground, home or away. You might need to get a quote from the club dissing internet users positive comments too if viewing via the internet makes an opinion invalid, although good luck finding too many of those.
To whom ever is reading this at the club, please pass on my best wishes to tp for the sterling job he has done in keeping us up the last couple of years, but please also pass on my heartfelt plea for tp to jog on now, so we may have a shot at some talented foreign players in the transfer market, some entertaining football that doesn't rely on set pieces as our only real offensive weapon, a serious attempt at a cup run with our strongest team, maybe using a few of the young players being churned out by this thing we have called the academy and for a season that doesn't end at 40 points rendering the last 10-ish games the usual sandals & sunglasses affairs we have 'enjoyed' for the last 2 seasons. Cheers tp, enjoy your retirement, preferably starting today.

Yes if anyone is reading this from the club please ignore this post above............

I can see what Pulis means, a lot of moaning on the message boards and Facebook but his name gets song by the majority at the away games. Think that is all he is saying.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 08, 2017, 03:17:53 PM
The club no doubt have staff that trawl the message boards. He could do with having a read himself, might get through to him a bit more. Like someone has said, he's thick skinned and nothing effects him

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 08, 2017, 03:29:15 PM
Give me the Albion from November the 5th to the middle of March I'd be happy enough with Pulis , both good enough to watch and picking up regular points. Before that and lately this static football and habit of not putting two passes together simply isn't good enough for the quality we have in the squad. He has shown he can do it.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on May 08, 2017, 03:35:28 PM
This what I don't understand by fans saying they wont go to the Hawthorns to watch the Albion cause of Tony Pulis but will watch it on the internet or pubs, if they cant stand his style of play why watch it in a pub or at home on the net.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 08, 2017, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on May 08, 2017, 03:35:28 PM
This what I don't understand by fans saying they wont go to the Hawthorns to watch the Albion cause of Tony Pulis but will watch it on the internet or pubs, if they cant stand his style of play why watch it in a pub or at home on the net.
Money I'd imagine Kev.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on May 08, 2017, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: Dexy on May 08, 2017, 03:29:15 PM
Give me the Albion from November the 5th to the middle of March I'd be happy enough with Pulis , both good enough to watch and picking up regular points. Before that and lately this static football and habit of not putting two passes together simply isn't good enough for the quality we have in the squad. He has shown he can do it.....
Completely agree. This is the frustrating thing for me. I am at a complete loss to explain why we have reverted to the old style (or lack of) again at this stage of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on May 08, 2017, 05:15:23 PM
Quote from: timdon on May 08, 2017, 04:49:24 PM
Completely agree. This is the frustrating thing for me. I am at a complete loss to explain why we have reverted to the old style (or lack of) again at this stage of the season.

When August  arrives it will be the same .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 08, 2017, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on May 08, 2017, 03:35:28 PM
This what I don't understand by fans saying they wont go to the Hawthorns to watch the Albion cause of Tony Pulis but will watch it on the internet or pubs, if they cant stand his style of play why watch it in a pub or at home on the net.
At least they/we can walk away from the screens without a long trudge home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on May 08, 2017, 07:29:16 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on May 08, 2017, 07:22:12 PM
At least they/we can walk away from the screens without a long trudge home.
But why watch it in the first place if you / they hate his style of play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 08, 2017, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on May 08, 2017, 07:29:16 PM
But why watch it in the first place if you / they hate his style of play.
Simply because its in the blood , same reason we all log on here , pray for a goal etc etc.
Albion was here before the baseball capped one and it'll be here when he's gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 08, 2017, 07:56:31 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on May 08, 2017, 07:29:16 PM
But why watch it in the first place if you / they hate his style of play.
if I was starving and someone offered me a free marmite sarny I would eat it, if they asked me to pay for it I would say I aint paying for that shyte. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 08, 2017, 08:01:23 PM
Essentially the style and the tactics didn't change during the purple patch. Nothing has changed since except we haven't converted the chances we have created at a completely unsustainable rate.


 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 08, 2017, 10:03:43 PM
We've also struggled without Phillips, our best football was when he was in the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 08, 2017, 10:05:33 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on May 08, 2017, 07:29:16 PM
But why watch it in the first place if you / they hate his style of play.
I followed the Baggies since the early 60's.
I really want them to play attractive football and win.
I start most matches hoping, only to find it is a lot of dross which Pullis wants the team to play.
I can get up and have a walk to calm down...Get a lager, and then hope again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 08, 2017, 11:04:16 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on May 08, 2017, 07:29:16 PM
But why watch it in the first place if you / they hate his style of play.

I obviously can't attend games but have given up on streams now because the football is generally awful to watch and of course the poor run of form. When the style improves then I will watch again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 09, 2017, 08:03:01 AM
I don't believe for one minute that Pulis doesn't understand how the internet works. From watching the 4 part documentary we were told that he's very much into all the latest technology that can be used by football clubs to improve players fitness and performances etc, so I'm sure he uses the internet which is hardly "new" and pretty much ubiquitous.

I find his comments strange as he has always come across as having a very thick skin and someone who has immense self belief, although to be fair to him there are plenty that don't go to games but criticise him none the less.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 09, 2017, 09:03:32 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on May 08, 2017, 03:35:28 PM
This what I don't understand by fans saying they wont go to the Hawthorns to watch the Albion cause of Tony Pulis but will watch it on the internet or pubs, if they cant stand his style of play why watch it in a pub or at home on the net.

A 240 mile round trip - when the players don't seem to be turning up..... easier to switch off a stream.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 09, 2017, 09:04:12 AM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on May 09, 2017, 09:03:32 AM
A 240 mile round trip - when the players don't seem to be turning up..... easier to switch off a stream.

Not that I ever do - am i a masochist?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 09, 2017, 09:58:59 AM
my enthusiasm has waned as follows

I still love WBAFC, its my tribe / its an extension of my family, it always will be.

The best analogy i can come up with is, Its like a child that has gone off the rails and you have tried to support them, but the support doesn't work, you still love them, but the stuffing has been knocked out of you and you end up watching from a distance with great sadness.

I don't totally blame TP, I also blame sky, I blame the football authorities, I blame the money men and finally i do feel guilt at my lack of conviction and constantly question myself, but unless something changes in the game and the club I will continue to watch from afar.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 09, 2017, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 08, 2017, 01:42:51 PM
“There’s been a bit of moaning and groaning they tell me but the websites and the internet, people who don’t go to games, they sit on there and try and do stuff.

“I’m not into it so I don’t understand how it works but it seems to get out there and nobody knows who’s saying it or doing it"

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-tony-pulis-fantastic-12997804

This inebriated me off royally, because I was a season ticket holder for nearly 20 years and it was his pooh football that drove me away. I would be going to games if it wasn't for him being our manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 09, 2017, 03:43:34 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 08, 2017, 01:42:51 PM
“There’s been a bit of moaning and groaning they tell me but the websites and the internet, people who don’t go to games, they sit on there and try and do stuff.

“I’m not into it so I don’t understand how it works but it seems to get out there and nobody knows who’s saying it or doing it"

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-tony-pulis-fantastic-12997804


Its.ok.for us to massively criticise somebody, but when somebody else.does.it to us its terrible? Logic
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 09, 2017, 04:14:06 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on May 09, 2017, 03:43:34 PM

Its.ok.for us to massively criticise somebody, but when somebody else.does.it to us its terrible? Logic

I'm paying to watch . He's not paying us as fans for anything. Football without fans is nothing.

In my opinion, he should keep his gob shut as far as fans are concerned, and if he and the club had any sense they'd stop him commenting such nonsense. We're trying to shift season tickets, not isolate and drive fans further away
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 09, 2017, 06:04:07 PM
Quote from: Morany on May 09, 2017, 04:14:06 PM
I'm paying to watch . He's not paying us as fans for anything. Football without fans is nothing.

In my opinion, he should keep his gob shut as far as fans are concerned, and if he and the club had any sense they'd stop him commenting such nonsense. We're trying to shift season tickets, not isolate and drive fans further away

Show me where he said about paying fans please?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 09, 2017, 08:07:52 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on May 09, 2017, 06:04:07 PM
Show me where he said about paying fans please?

He said the people moaning online don't go to the games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 10, 2017, 06:33:59 AM
If he follows this forum he will know that it is the same few who are the constant critics, who will never give up until he is gone.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some overstep the mark and attack TP at every option and from every angle.
It is boring and is slowly destroying this forum.The majority of supporters do not subscribe to this diatribe towards the manager and some of our players, and it is plain to see that many posters are disappearing from the forum, why?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on May 10, 2017, 09:06:50 AM
Isn't people having different views what a forum is all about? I disagree with a lot of what people say regarding Albion but that's their right as a fan and would be rather pathetic if a stopped coming on here or talking to people face to face who didn't agree with all of my views football or otherwise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 10, 2017, 09:17:03 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on May 10, 2017, 09:06:50 AM
Isn't people having different views what a forum is all about? I disagree with a lot of what people say regarding Albion but that's their right as a fan and would be rather pathetic if a stopped coming on here or talking to people face to face who didn't agree with all of my views football or otherwise.

Precisely. If you can't accept other peoples views then a forum isnt for you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 10, 2017, 09:19:14 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on May 09, 2017, 06:04:07 PM
Show me where he said about paying fans please?

I never said he did. What I'm saying is , that we the fans pay to go and watch the team. We have a right in my opinion to cheer, shout, criticise whatever. However , I don't think it's right for the manager to have a pop at fans.

How he can justify having a go in the first place after the dismal run we've been on is beyond me. If he gets us to 40 next season early doors again and we kick on then I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 10, 2017, 09:21:14 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on May 10, 2017, 06:33:59 AM
If he follows this forum he will know that it is the same few who are the constant critics, who will never give up until he is gone.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some overstep the mark and attack TP at every option and from every angle.
It is boring and is slowly destroying this forum.The majority of supporters do not subscribe to this diatribe towards the manager and some of our players, and it is plain to see that many posters are disappearing from the forum, why?

It's not the case though. Fans attitude may change if they could see a way forward under the bloke. I for one can't. He has reached his limit, and I think he has found that at previous clubs too. 'Attack TP' , blimey, bit sensitive that is.

I wouldn't say its a majority one way or the other, I feel our fanbase is fairly split on Pulis, if anything, leaning towards the out camp.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2017, 09:40:33 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on May 10, 2017, 06:33:59 AM
If he follows this forum he will know that it is the same few who are the constant critics, who will never give up until he is gone.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some overstep the mark and attack TP at every option and from every angle.
It is boring and is slowly destroying this forum.The majority of supporters do not subscribe to this diatribe towards the manager and some of our players, and it is plain to see that many posters are disappearing from the forum, why?

Conversely, when the going was 'good' for a few months, I was still here offering my opinions. I would hasten to conclude that the people disappearing from the forum are doing so because they would rather do that than admit how dire the football is under Pulis, and has been for the majority of his time in charge of us, but for a three or four month period which seemed great because we were converting our chances at an unsustainably high rate. Consider that before jumping to the conclusion that people who have a view contrary to yours are the root of any problems.

I have said before, I am not anti-Pulis as a bloke, I am pro my club and wanting the best for it and the football that our manager serves up is not for the best of anyone related to the club save for those counting the pennies on the 'guarantee' of keeping us at the top table.

Southampton have been in League One whilst we have stayed in the Premier League yet they have managed to come up, sack a manager who general consensus was that he was doing a great job (Adkins) before bringing in Pochettino and Koeman who have revitalised the club. They have since lost both, replaced them with Puel playing a negative brand of football who has them lower than they were playing the exciting football of the previous incumbents and guess what, their fans are now moaning that they want Puel out. It is because they know they can do better, why should we feel that we can do no better than someone renowned for keeping teams up with functional, dull football when there is a whole world of managers out there. Marco Silva at Hull, complete unknown coming into the league, I am willing to bet he has attained more points than TP since he came to the Premier League and that was with Hull losing their best players. One of which we took who seemingly now does not know how to pass to a teammate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 10, 2017, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2017, 09:40:33 AM
Conversely, when the going was 'good' for a few months, I was still here offering my opinions. I would hasten to conclude that the people disappearing from the forum are doing so because they would rather do that than admit how dire the football is under Pulis, and has been for the majority of his time in charge of us, but for a three or four month period which seemed great because we were converting our chances at an unsustainably high rate. Consider that before jumping to the conclusion that people who have a view contrary to yours are the root of any problems.

I have said before, I am not anti-Pulis as a bloke, I am pro my club and wanting the best for it and the football that our manager serves up is not for the best of anyone related to the club save for those counting the pennies on the 'guarantee' of keeping us at the top table.

Southampton have been in League One whilst we have stayed in the Premier League yet they have managed to come up, sack a manager who general consensus was that he was doing a great job (Adkins) before bringing in Pochettino and Koeman who have revitalised the club. They have since lost both, replaced them with Puel playing a negative brand of football who has them lower than they were playing the exciting football of the previous incumbents and guess what, their fans are now moaning that they want Puel out. It is because they know they can do better, why should we feel that we can do no better than someone renowned for keeping teams up with functional, dull football when there is a whole world of managers out there. Marco Silva at Hull, complete unknown coming into the league, I am willing to bet he has attained more points than TP since he came to the Premier League and that was with Hull losing their best players. One of which we took who seemingly now does not know how to pass to a teammate.

The point you've made about Southampton is spot on, just shows what can be achieved. It doesn't have to be Pulis or nothing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 10, 2017, 10:19:35 AM
The chinese wont give a pooh how we plsy, as long as we stay in this league and the gravy traim continues, and pulis basically guarntees that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 10, 2017, 10:33:34 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on May 10, 2017, 10:19:35 AM
The chinese wont give a rubbish how we plsy, as long as we stay in this league and the gravy traim continues, and pulis basically guarntees that.

I know they don't but some fans do, and the appeal for a fan to get a match day ticket opposed to a season ticket is getting smaller and smaller. For those who pick and choose , it's not an attractive proposition
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2017, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on May 10, 2017, 10:19:35 AM
The chinese wont give a rubbish how we plsy, as long as we stay in this league and the gravy traim continues, and pulis basically guarntees that.

Financially I am sure it will make no difference, but I would imagine the dwindling crowds and poor atmosphere at games would be of concern to those at the club regardless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on May 10, 2017, 11:10:21 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on May 10, 2017, 10:19:35 AM
The chinese wont give a rubbish how we plsy, as long as we stay in this league and the gravy traim continues, and pulis basically guarntees that.

We will know if that statement is true one way or the other next season but until then i will keep a open mind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 10, 2017, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2017, 09:40:33 AM
Conversely, when the going was 'good' for a few months, I was still here offering my opinions. I would hasten to conclude that the people disappearing from the forum are doing so because they would rather do that than admit how dire the football is under Pulis, and has been for the majority of his time in charge of us, but for a three or four month period which seemed great because we were converting our chances at an unsustainably high rate. Consider that before jumping to the conclusion that people who have a view contrary to yours are the root of any problems.

I have said before, I am not anti-Pulis as a bloke, I am pro my club and wanting the best for it and the football that our manager serves up is not for the best of anyone related to the club save for those counting the pennies on the 'guarantee' of keeping us at the top table.

Southampton have been in League One whilst we have stayed in the Premier League yet they have managed to come up, sack a manager who general consensus was that he was doing a great job (Adkins) before bringing in Pochettino and Koeman who have revitalised the club. They have since lost both, replaced them with Puel playing a negative brand of football who has them lower than they were playing the exciting football of the previous incumbents and guess what, their fans are now moaning that they want Puel out. It is because they know they can do better, why should we feel that we can do no better than someone renowned for keeping teams up with functional, dull football when there is a whole world of managers out there. Marco Silva at Hull, complete unknown coming into the league, I am willing to bet he has attained more points than TP since he came to the Premier League and that was with Hull losing their best players. One of which we took who seemingly now does not know how to pass to a teammate.

I take your point about Southampton, but it works the other way too doesn't it? They took a risk with Pochettino and he did really well and got poached by Tottingham. So they appointed the experienced Koeman and he did well and got poached by Everton, and now they have Puel who is not the fans favourite, even though they are likely to finish above us in 8th, the same position Pochettino got to. You have to consider the quality of players they have sold as well; Mane, Wanyama, Lallana, Lovren, Schneiderlin, Shaw etc. Southampton fans may think they could be doing better and they may well be right, but as a fan I would be concerned that we are little more than a feeder club for the rest of the league.

At least with TP you have stability. It is also true that we have been a different team without Phillips, a player bought by TP, so at least we know what he is trying to do. For me he needs another season. The last thing we need now is a lucky punt on a 'johnny foreigner'.... we are a work in progress.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2017, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on May 10, 2017, 11:15:20 AM
The last thing we need now is a lucky punt on a 'johnny foreigner'.... we are a work in progress.

See I would hope that we would be doing more due diligence than to be taking a 'punt' on a new manager. Southampton didn't take the decisions lightly, they had done their due diligence on Pochettino and saw the work he had been doing with Espanyol and the brand of football he was playing and that satisfied them that he would be a better bet long term (of course goalposts shifted and it ended up being short term such was the success he had) than Adkins.

Pochettino leaving was not on their agenda, but when it did, they had clearly done enough due diligence the previous time to have other candidates identified and saw what Koeman had done previously and felt he could continue that good work. Puel has been somewhat of a backward step potentially, but that is only on the footing of style of football which Southampton seem to hold very dear but we do not with many fans for some reason, and those, such as myself who think style and entertainment can go hand in hand with success are lambasted by that same many. Even Puel has not been a disaster and he has had to contend with a European campaign and league cup run and will still likely finish above us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 10, 2017, 11:50:53 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2017, 11:36:50 AM
See I would hope that we would be doing more due diligence than to be taking a 'punt' on a new manager. Southampton didn't take the decisions lightly, they had done their due diligence on Pochettino and saw the work he had been doing with Espanyol and the brand of football he was playing and that satisfied them that he would be a better bet long term (of course goalposts shifted and it ended up being short term such was the success he had) than Adkins.

Pochettino leaving was not on their agenda, but when it did, they had clearly done enough due diligence the previous time to have other candidates identified and saw what Koeman had done previously and felt he could continue that good work. Puel has been somewhat of a backward step potentially, but that is only on the footing of style of football which Southampton seem to hold very dear but we do not with many fans for some reason, and those, such as myself who think style and entertainment can go hand in hand with success are lambasted by that same many. Even Puel has not been a disaster and he has had to contend with a European campaign and league cup run and will still likely finish above us.

Can't argue with that Fritzl... about spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2017, 11:58:21 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on May 10, 2017, 11:50:53 AM
Can't argue with that Fritzl... about spot on.

Ultimately, I like to think I put my views across on the subject not in a 'bore off Pulis, this is rubbish'  manner and I will happily engage in debate on the issues with anyone, but sadly the majority who disagree with me quote 8th place and put nothing further forward than that.

I strive for 8th place whilst also entertaining, getting the fans on board with the style of play and turning the match day experience into an enjoyable one once more, which it just isn't currently. There was a stage in the season where I thought Pulis might be looking to achieve that also, pace on the break, I still wanted us to be better in our possession of the ball and ability to pass to teammates but the shoots of recovery were there. Sadly he has reverted to type and extinguished any hope I had that he was the man to achieve this for us. I pray to be proven wrong as he will be in charge next season.

If we are relying on one man in Phillips for our entire system of 'attacking' football and without him we do not attempt to play in that manner then that would be quite the concern to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 10, 2017, 12:05:37 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2017, 11:58:21 AM
Ultimately, I like to think I put my views across on the subject not in a 'bore off Pulis, this is rubbish'  manner and I will happily engage in debate on the issues with anyone, but sadly the majority who disagree with me quote 8th place and put nothing further forward than that.

I strive for 8th place whilst also entertaining, getting the fans on board with the style of play and turning the match day experience into an enjoyable one once more, which it just isn't currently. There was a stage in the season where I thought Pulis might be looking to achieve that also, pace on the break, I still wanted us to be better in our possession of the ball and ability to pass to teammates but the shoots of recovery were there. Sadly he has reverted to type and extinguished any hope I had that he was the man to achieve this for us. I pray to be proven wrong as he will be in charge next season.

If we are relying on one man in Phillips for our entire system of 'attacking' football and without him we do not attempt to play in that manner then that would be quite the concern to me.

I am not saying that we were relying on one man, but you can tell the difference. Having strikers that know where the goal is would have helped as well........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 10, 2017, 12:17:58 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2017, 09:40:33 AM
Conversely, when the going was 'good' for a few months, I was still here offering my opinions. I would hasten to conclude that the people disappearing from the forum are doing so because they would rather do that than admit how dire the football is under Pulis, and has been for the majority of his time in charge of us, but for a three or four month period which seemed great because we were converting our chances at an unsustainably high rate. Consider that before jumping to the conclusion that people who have a view contrary to yours are the root of any problems.

I have said before, I am not anti-Pulis as a bloke, I am pro my club and wanting the best for it and the football that our manager serves up is not for the best of anyone related to the club save for those counting the pennies on the 'guarantee' of keeping us at the top table.

Southampton have been in League One whilst we have stayed in the Premier League yet they have managed to come up, sack a manager who general consensus was that he was doing a great job (Adkins) before bringing in Pochettino and Koeman who have revitalised the club. They have since lost both, replaced them with Puel playing a negative brand of football who has them lower than they were playing the exciting football of the previous incumbents and guess what, their fans are now moaning that they want Puel out. It is because they know they can do better, why should we feel that we can do no better than someone renowned for keeping teams up with functional, dull football when there is a whole world of managers out there. Marco Silva at Hull, complete unknown coming into the league, I am willing to bet he has attained more points than TP since he came to the Premier League and that was with Hull losing their best players. One of which we took who seemingly now does not know how to pass to a teammate.

While you make some very valid points, I would hasten to conclude that many people no longer post due to the general nature of back and forth post repetition. There's only so many times that people will maintain an interest in the same old same old.

You're bored with Pulis and other's are not, but many are quite possibly bored sh itless with the ongoing debate.
Forums go through phases, some forums make it through and some don't.

C'est la vie  8) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on May 10, 2017, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on May 10, 2017, 12:05:37 PM
I am not saying that we were relying on one man, but you can tell the difference. Having strikers that know where the goal is would have helped as well........

If someone doesn't play him/them in even the best in the world would struggle to score on a regular basis.
Tony needs to get the balance of the team right & not lop sided one way or the other.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on May 12, 2017, 06:22:44 PM
TP always pull one out the hat when he is in the hot seat.To rain on the Stamford parade would be monumental,boing boing,boing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 13, 2017, 01:02:06 AM
No blame on how Tony managed today plus he had the hurdle of GMac going out with an injury.

He just needed a better finisher and we could have beaten the league champions at home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on May 13, 2017, 01:08:28 AM
Wish he was able to motivate the team to play like this more often.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 13, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
Since we got to the magical forty points the performances and results have been awful with the exception of arsoles at home. If we don't retain eighth position then in my book we have not progressed under this coach and I would only give him a one year contract as it appears that for what ever reason he's unable to push on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ALFABAGGIE on May 13, 2017, 05:08:31 PM
Quote from: paulosull on May 13, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
Since we got to the magical forty points the performances and results have been awful with the exception of arsoles at home. If we don't retain eighth position then in my book we have not progressed under this coach and I would only give him a one year contract as it appears that for what ever reason he's unable to push on
Yeah agree, happened last season aswell and looking back at his record at other clubs he just can't seem to push on, it doesn't help though when you keep going on about reaching 40 points, once players get that into their heads it becomes  a subconcious thing, I don't really believe they are not trying as hard now but it does seem a record that is hard to explain.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on May 13, 2017, 05:12:11 PM
We've had 2 years of being a solid hardworking difficult to beat team .

Long term I want us to retain these qualities but strive for better quality on the ball.

There are too many occasions under Pulis where the ball is given away cheaply due to the rigid system he employs and lack of flexibility within it .

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on May 13, 2017, 05:22:46 PM
Quote from: Mo on May 13, 2017, 05:12:11 PM
We've had 2 years of being a solid hardworking difficult to beat team .

Long term I want us to retain these qualities but strive for better quality on the ball.

There are too many occasions under Pulis where the ball is given away cheaply due to the rigid system he employs and lack of flexibility within it .
great point but those player wont come cheaply let see what Lai does in summer
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 13, 2017, 05:38:19 PM
I believe this squad motivates itself, I fail to see how TP can be motivating them,when they switch off at 40 points unless it's a mega high profile game. Before TP arrived we all wondered about the clique in the dressing room, I think it's still there but has been hidden by relative success in achieving 40 points early
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ALFABAGGIE on May 13, 2017, 06:05:47 PM
The big question for me next season is whoever TP brings in is the actual playing style going to change? ie are we going to try and actually keep the ball better because I just don't think TP believes in playing like this, he never has in the past and I don't see much changing now but imo to push on and improve you have to control the possession better I know Leicester won the league playing on the break but it was a complete one off. I just can't see too much changing unless we start controlling games more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 13, 2017, 07:03:54 PM
Quote from: ALFABAGGIE on May 13, 2017, 06:05:47 PM
The big question for me next season is whoever TP brings in is the actual playing style going to change? ie are we going to try and actually keep the ball better because I just don't think TP believes in playing like this, he never has in the past and I don't see much changing now but imo to push on and improve you have to control the possession better I know Leicester won the league playing on the break but it was a complete one off. I just can't see too much changing unless we start controlling games more.
I don't think the style will change too much but for me it's a question of quality when we do break. Earlier in the season we had a fit Phillips and a firing Chadli supporting Rondon and it makes a difference - we were good to watch on the break.
McLean is decent but I see him as a bench player he just doesn't quite have the composure or quality on the ball, which showed a couple of times last night. Brunt, good player but lacks the pace to hurt sides when he's in the wide position. In danger of sounding like TP but we need that combination of pace and better quality.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 13, 2017, 08:10:53 PM
Quote from: ALFABAGGIE on May 13, 2017, 06:05:47 PM
The big question for me next season is whoever TP brings in is the actual playing style going to change? ie are we going to try and actually keep the ball better because I just don't think TP believes in playing like this, he never has in the past and I don't see much changing now but imo to push on and improve you have to control the possession better I know Leicester won the league playing on the break but it was a complete one off. I just can't see too much changing unless we start controlling games more.

Actual style won't change, he's got a system he believes works for him. He will believe adding extra pace and quality to the side will make all the difference in an attacking sense and it could be argued that for a few months this season that was the case.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 15, 2017, 01:35:31 PM
Congratulations to Tony Pulis on his nomination for Manager of the Year. Doing a superb job here and getting the recognition he deserves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on May 15, 2017, 01:44:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 15, 2017, 01:35:31 PM
Congratulations to Tony Pulis on his nomination for Manager of the Year. Doing a superb job here and getting the recognition he deserves.

If I did my job for a third of the year I wouldn't expect to get nominated for employee of the year.

I'd consider us getting 5 points from the last 10, potentially 12 games to be a failure. In my opinion we are very lucky that the middle of the league is as bad as it is.

We might yet fall outside of the top 10, a position that should be cemented by now. The bloke then has the audacity to go on about playing for places for spending money in the summer.

Put the rod away
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 15, 2017, 02:38:14 PM
To be fair reading the list, they basically needed to fill the other 5 slots that will lose to Conte.

None of the others did anything truly spectacular.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on May 15, 2017, 03:34:50 PM
To be fair he has taken a team that was tipped for relegation by a lot to the point where we may finish 8th

He has done a fine job here even if we dont always think he has
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on May 15, 2017, 08:33:05 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on May 15, 2017, 03:34:50 PM
To be fair he has taken a team that was tipped for relegation by a lot to the point where we may finish 8th

He has done a fine job here even if we dont always think he has

I would argue that the reason a lot of us were anxious about relegation is that a) we have a poor squad, largely due to a poor transfer window overseen by TP, and b) our dreadful form for the first 2/3 months of the season, for which partial blame can again be directed towards TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 15, 2017, 09:14:18 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on May 15, 2017, 03:34:50 PM
To be fair he has taken a team that was tipped for relegation by a lot to the point where we may finish 8th

He has done a fine job here even if we dont always think he has

Wasn't we about 13th in the league when he took over?

Hardly relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on May 15, 2017, 09:42:18 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 15, 2017, 09:14:18 PM
Wasn't we about 13th in the league when he took over?

Hardly relegation.

We were 17th or 18th and on our way out the league big time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 15, 2017, 09:58:16 PM
...we appointed Alan Irvine, what did people expect?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 15, 2017, 10:05:21 PM
After the weekend he's on course to land us a top 10 finish which all things considering is good, I just wish there was more urgency after we got to 40 points as it could have been even better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 15, 2017, 10:07:40 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on May 15, 2017, 09:42:18 PM
We were 17th or 18th and on our way out the league big time

Not trying to be picky, but we were 16th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 15, 2017, 10:39:13 PM
Lowest we can reasonable finish is 11th now but that will involved LC beating spurs and losing to Bournemouth while we lost our last 2 games.

So knock on wood it seems top 10 is pretty safe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on May 15, 2017, 10:40:05 PM
I wouldnt have thought there wasn't one other manager out there who who could have done so well with our squad over the last 18 months or so other than TP, apart from maybe "Big Sam ".
I see him has a solid 17th -10th in the league, prem manager.
Does he have the belief in himself & the trust of Mr Lai to push the into the top 10-6 on a regular basis :-\ 
Most of all is what does Mr. Lai want for the future of WBA, premiership survival our premiership progression.
He was without a doubt the right man at the right time to take us over & for that we should thank him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on May 16, 2017, 12:08:18 AM
Quote from: geoff on May 15, 2017, 10:40:05 PM
I wouldnt have thought there wasn't one other manager out there who who could have done so well with our squad over the last 18 months or so other than TP, apart from maybe "Big Sam ".
I see him has a solid 17th -10th in the league, prem manager.
Does he have the belief in himself & the trust of Mr Lai to push the into the top 10-6 on a regular basis :-\ 
Most of all is what does Mr. Lai want for the future of WBA, premiership survival our premiership progression.
He was without a doubt the right man at the right time to take us over & for that we should thank him.

Completely spot on. We peaked mid season but we really are now seeing the proof that we just miss that real quality in the vital areas. TP saved us from (what I believe) a certain drop. He's added some vital experience to cement us but just not enough to make us a clinical force. Let's face it, we're probably only 3 quality players away from being a much more potent team that can open up quality defences. However these players are the likes of Sanchez, Ibrahimovic, Kane, Hazzard etc. We probably need to strike lucky with a Mahrez/Vardy etc to make the next step. It's not impossible, but we must be prepared to speculate to accumulate to some degree. We need a bigger squad, more choices....and to have players who make better decisions on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on May 16, 2017, 04:18:13 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 15, 2017, 09:14:18 PM
Wasn't we about 13th in the league when he took over?

Hardly relegation.

Are you joking? If i remember right we were 19th and looked doomed because of the boards stupid decision to give father Ted the job. He came in made us more organised stopped the rot and kept us up and with the total rubbish we had at this club when he took over it shows what a sterling job he did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 16, 2017, 06:06:09 AM
Quote from: sconesy on May 16, 2017, 12:08:18 AM
Completely spot on. We peaked mid season but we really are now seeing the proof that we just miss that real quality in the vital areas. TP saved us from (what I believe) a certain drop. He's added some vital experience to cement us but just not enough to make us a clinical force. Let's face it, we're probably only 3 quality players away from being a much more potent team that can open up quality defences. However these players are the likes of Sanchez, Ibrahimovic, Kane, Hazzard etc. We probably need to strike lucky with a Mahrez/Vardy etc to make the next step. It's not impossible, but we must be prepared to speculate to accumulate to some degree. We need a bigger squad, more choices....and to have players who make better decisions on the pitch.

Agree entirely, some of our fans need a dose of reality.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 16, 2017, 07:59:20 AM
Quote from: baggie38 on May 16, 2017, 04:18:13 AM
Are you joking? If i remember right we were 19th and looked doomed because of the boards stupid decision to give father Ted the job. He came in made us more organised stopped the rot and kept us up and with the total rubbish we had at this club when he took over it shows what a sterling job he did.
You don't remember correctly. Timescales are different but we have spent twice as much time in the relegation places under Pulis as we did under Irvine and we were 16th when he took over. At no point under Irvine did we have a run as bad as the run we are currently on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 16, 2017, 08:55:33 AM
Stepping back, Pulis has done well. He's made good signings, stabilised us as a squad/ club, throughout a tricky take over , having a serious striker shortfall. After my expectations were raised mid-season, having reflected a bit, I'm more realistic now that mid-table or above is a great achievement this year.

As I've said, give Pulis some more money and another season and let's see if he can push us on? I do have a serious doubt based on his history whether he could help us finish in 8th or above and/ or winning a cup which I'd hope is our next target after mid-table. I'd love to be proven wrong though?   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on May 16, 2017, 11:35:27 AM
I think we all agree that TP has to improve the squad and bring in a number of quality players who will hopefully provide us with what we all hope for. However who should he move on - or try to move on- to make way for them?
If we just go out and make signings for the sake of it we could hinder some of the younger players and once again restrict their chances. Perhaps signing some more 'youthful' players would be a start. I watched Izzy Brown at Rotherham against Forest and he was by far the best player on the pitch. He's done well at Huddersfield. I know there were problems when he went to Chelsea and we could do little about it but he clearly saw his options elsewhere.
If we move on some of the older guard, it's no good replacing them like for like, as that would discourage the likes of Leko, Field etc. Lets get hold of some up and coming 'stars' and take a punt. Blend them in with some more experienced players, in the long term it could pay dividends.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 16, 2017, 12:39:56 PM
In some respects TP has been lucky or at least fortunate that the other departments have done very well, viz,
a) Rondon has stayed fit
b) McCauley has outlived his footballing life expectancy
c) Brunt & Morrison returned to squad "on form"
d) Brunt covering full back was reasonably successful
e) Berahino was able to be ostracised successfully

I know people will say you make your own luck, but had a couple of the above factors (and i'm sure there are others) have yielded different results, we would be very much in the mire now IMO.

I still feel he is overly negative, has too many prejudices (height / experience / age / nationality...) and is too quick to judge / lacks man management skills.

BUT, he has done the job the club needed, has the time come for him to go?

Well, now that the management structure has stabilised and the ownership issue is resolved and TV money is available. The squad needs significant re-structuring and my fear is that he will recruit in the mode of his usual model, which will inevitably lead to more "Pulisball" and a squad which will be unsuitable for his successor whenever that event occurs.

Will WBAFC be able to remain competitive at its current level whilst re-structuring twice? (Once for TP and again when he does go) It seems highly unlikely.

So in my opinion its time to bite the bullet, let TP go, get in a younger, less fearful, more adventurous manager and let the funds be used now to attempt the transition which the squad needs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 16, 2017, 01:16:38 PM
Shouldn't really be talking about replacements for TP

However, we have done well this season in terms of development and progression. I know that the style at times has been painful, but we will finish in the top 10. Our current form is not good, but as we saw the other night against Chelsea, we can put in a shift.  If we really want to improve next season there has to be some smart and serious investment. I would like to think that we no longer consider Stoke, Southampton, West Ham as superior to us and we now need to look forward to being as good as Everton etc. For that we need a different calibre of player. I have seen improvement with TP and I want to see him there next season to continue the project.

The crowd reaction at the start of the Chelsea games tells you all you need to know about how the majority feel about him, and at present that is good enough for me. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 16, 2017, 01:37:13 PM
This forum probably represents how most of our fan base feel about Tony Pulis. I don't think (rightly or wrongly) he'll be remembered as fondly as say Mowbray or Ardiles or Megson but he'll still represent a good, solid period of our history. That could all change either way of course e.g. if he won us the FA Cup!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 16, 2017, 02:58:59 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on May 16, 2017, 01:16:38 PM
Shouldn't really be talking about replacements for TP

However, we have done well this season in terms of development and progression. I know that the style at times has been painful, but we will finish in the top 10. Our current form is not good, but as we saw the other night against Chelsea, we can put in a shift.  If we really want to improve next season there has to be some smart and serious investment. I would like to think that we no longer consider Stoke, Southampton, West Ham as superior to us and we now need to look forward to being as good as Everton etc. For that we need a different calibre of player. I have seen improvement with TP and I want to see him there next season to continue the project.

The crowd reaction at the start of the Chelsea games tells you all you need to know about how the majority feel about him, and at present that is good enough for me.

We also need a lot more money invested to catch up to Everton. If the Owners don't want to invest too much not many managers can produce a better season than what Tony has done so far.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 16, 2017, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 16, 2017, 02:58:59 PM
We also need a lot more money invested to catch up to Everton. If the Owners don't want to invest too much not many managers can produce a better season than what Tony has done so far.

I agree Divinepast, so for me this transfer window is 'stick or twist' time. For me it will tell us everything we need to know about our future ambitions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 16, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
I don't think, or expect, that we will spend the money required to challenge the top seven, it would not be a sensible strategy if we did. I do believe that 8th is the highest we can realistically achieve unless it is a freak season where a couple of the big boys have an off year.

I just want to see good football and our players pass the ball to each other with success. I don't feel I ask for much 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on May 16, 2017, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 16, 2017, 07:59:20 AM
You don't remember correctly. Timescales are different but we have spent twice as much time in the relegation places under Pulis as we did under Irvine and we were 16th when he took over. At no point under Irvine did we have a run as bad as the run we are currently on.
Let me get my head around what you are trying to suggest, because it seems that you are making a case that we should not have appointed Pulis and should have stuck with Irvine, or am I not reading your post accurately?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on May 16, 2017, 04:57:20 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 16, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
I don't think, or expect, that we will spend the money required to challenge the top seven, it would not be a sensible strategy if we did. I do believe that 8th is the highest we can realistically achieve unless it is a freak season where a couple of the big boys have an off year.

I just want to see good football and our players pass the ball to each other with success. I don't feel I ask for much

Completely agree Fritzi, but good football and passing to each other successfully might just give us a chance to do something in a cup or even challenge for seventh. Oh I forgot! this is Albion  - maybe not then ay? Frustration is the name of the game with us lot, it is what we get and what we have come to expect: in fact it is our only consistency.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 16, 2017, 06:23:57 PM
Just read his pre match comments

West Brom head coach Tony Pulis: "Having been eighth for so long [it would be disappointing to finish lower], but if it happens it happens.

"If the players hadn't turned up in games, I could criticise them but everyone has been playing at their maximum."

Disappointed by that. If it happens, it happens? Players playing at their maximum? I couldn't disagree more, if they have been at their maximum then the buck stops with TP tactically in that case because we have looked clueless over the past couple of months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on May 16, 2017, 06:26:34 PM
Quote from: Albionic on May 16, 2017, 12:39:56 PM

Well, now that the management structure has stabilised and the ownership issue is resolved and TV money is available. The squad needs significant re-structuring and my fear is that he will recruit in the mode of his usual model, which will inevitably lead to more "Pulisball" and a squad which will be unsuitable for his successor whenever that event occurs.

Will WBAFC be able to remain competitive at its current level whilst re-structuring twice? (Once for TP and again when he does go) It seems highly unlikely.


More players like Jonny Evans then?

As I've said on this thread dozens of times; Mark Hughes had no problems getting the 'Pulis plodders' to play possession football. So why would the next WBA manager have problems?

Eight transfer windows have passed and some of those plodders are still regulars in the starting XI. A couple have recently signed new contract extensions. If they were as bad as you suggest they would have been shipped out years ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 16, 2017, 06:38:30 PM
Quote from: timdon on May 16, 2017, 04:50:36 PM
Let me get my head around what you are trying to suggest, because it seems that you are making a case that we should not have appointed Pulis and should have stuck with Irvine, or am I not reading your post accurately?
It isn't a suggestion it's a statement of fact. Draw your own conclusions. (And written in response to Baggie38. "Father Ted" never had a run as bad as the one we are on now)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on May 16, 2017, 06:56:22 PM
"Having been eighth for so long [it would be disappointing to finish lower], but if it happens it happens." - Tony Pulis

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 16, 2017, 07:02:14 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on May 16, 2017, 06:56:22 PM
"Having been eighth for so long [it would be disappointing to finish lower], but if it happens it happens." - Tony Pulis

Great attitude to have by the man in charge, couldn't be more pleased to have someone in charge who wants to motivate our players, push us on and improve us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on May 16, 2017, 07:03:58 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 16, 2017, 07:02:14 PM
Great attitude to have by the man in charge, couldn't be more pleased to have someone in charge who wants to motivate our players, push us on and improve us.

Really stirs the emotion doesent it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 16, 2017, 09:23:08 PM
Nice to the see us really going for it again today :) it's been a great end to the season again this year...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 16, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
He can bang the better quality drum as much as he likes , he knows one way of playing and these players are better than hoofing the ball all game.
Appreciate when you are in trouble theres nobody better but after that he runs dry , for me he's gone as far as he can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 16, 2017, 10:15:29 PM
We don't hoof the ball all game. Everyone's knackered, small squad not enough changes made generally throughout the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 16, 2017, 10:17:04 PM
Can not see Tp getting the boot after keeping us up but if this alarming run of form continues into next season when should owners act?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 16, 2017, 10:17:18 PM
I've now gone full circle with Pulis, didn't really want him here due to what his style was, won me round by mid season playing much better attacking football, now we've gone back to defend at all costs, kids getting no minutes, just boring football with no improvement in players passing and technical skills.
now its thanks but bye.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yardley on May 16, 2017, 10:22:42 PM
Starting to think Pulis doesn't want to finish as high as 8th. He probably thinks that's as high as he will ever get us and doesn't leave him any room to improve us, giving him a hard time next season when we are fighting for survival. Also he wants the owners to invest into his transfer plans. If the team are doing well they might not see the piont in spending big
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on May 16, 2017, 10:25:06 PM
Pulis is an investors dream. No way we will part company with him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 16, 2017, 10:30:04 PM
He keeps us up with negative football once again. Hopefully his shelf  life  don't last another 12 months, if I was lai I wouldn't trust him with a penny
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 16, 2017, 10:31:29 PM
Not much I can say that I haven't said for the past two years. Right man at the time following the Irvine fiasco (all of our own making), but we will never be the football team I want to see with him in charge
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 16, 2017, 10:38:28 PM
Quote from: paulosull on May 16, 2017, 10:17:04 PM
Can not see Tp getting the boot after keeping us up but if this alarming run of form continues into next season when should owners act?


Same as any other manager at this level for us. Minimum of 15 games next season, he would be sacked if we were running at less than a point a game... (from the start of the season before we have all the same nonsense we had last year about 1 win in 15 or whatever.)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on May 16, 2017, 10:45:53 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 16, 2017, 06:38:30 PM
It isn't a suggestion it's a statement of fact. Draw your own conclusions. (And written in response to Baggie38. "Father Ted" never had a run as bad as the one we are on now)

Funniest thing I've read on this forum thus far

Someone who is viciously against Pulis managing this club but would advocate Irvine having stayed on and even thinks he is a better manager than Pulis

Brilliant...stick a fork in me I'm done
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggy nerd on May 16, 2017, 10:48:19 PM
If Leicester beat Bournemouth we finish top half. There's no way Pulis will be going anywhere...and I disagree with this 'if it carries on into next season' stuff - you just know with Pulis that wont happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 16, 2017, 10:48:53 PM
I would hope that he isn't, Tom. I imagine it is more of a comparison whereas the reality is that Irvine should never have been appointed in the first place which would have, actually it probably wouldn't as I wouldn't trust us to appoint the right man in any event, saved the need to bring in Pulis in the role of saviour that season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on May 16, 2017, 10:50:02 PM
Absolute footballing dinosaur. We sit 10 men behind the ball all game, regardless of the opposition, and we're still absolutely appalling at defending.

I wanted him gone last season, but I warmed towards him a bit in the middle of this season. I now subscribe to the idea that it was mainly Phillips' superb form that helped us through that period and with him injured TP is clueless.

The squad is dull and uninspiring, but the guy couldn't pick a balanced starting XI to save his life. The passing and lack of creativity is abysmal. People bang on about him doing well with the squad he has, yet I'm sure by now more than half of them are his signings. The sad thing is that it will never change, we're never going to spend enough to get the quality players we need who also meet Pulis' list of requirements. While he's here it will be dull as dishwater football watching uninspiring and technically inept players like Dawson and Fletcher lose the ball 20 times a game whilst hoping for a set-piece.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on May 16, 2017, 10:50:10 PM
Yes we've played 2 top teams in 5 days, and they have much bigger squads than us (though at the same time alot more games than us), but I don't know why we can't be a bit more adventurous given that we have nothing really to play for. Players like Morisson, Brunt, Chadli, McLean , Livermore are quite capable of putting teams under pressure, but they are not allowed to. They have to sit deep, so all you get is long balls forward to Rondon who unsurprisingly loses it almost instantly. Why do we have to wait until the 87th minute before we get more players forward in support. You could argue we had an excellent goals to chances ratio of 100% tonight, but most football matches you would need to create alot more chances to get a result.     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 17, 2017, 03:15:57 AM
I would of given Pulis a break if he had played the kids as promised during run in. Here is a man who bleats that underage football is substandard to Prem or league football but refuses to give our young players a chance in the first team. fleeting appearances by two young players over a period where our safety was not in doubt is inexcusable given the run the team has been on. Tp at this time was quoted that he wanted to cement 8th place as positions mater vis-a-vis prise money. But before the game tonight he's been quoted that basically finishing 8th or lower doesn't matter ????????????
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 17, 2017, 06:47:05 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on May 16, 2017, 10:45:53 PM
Funniest thing I've read on this forum thus far

Someone who is viciously against Pulis managing this club but would advocate Irvine having stayed on and even thinks he is a better manager than Pulis

Brilliant...stick a fork in me I'm done
If that's your conclusion  ::)

1 draw in 7. 1 win in 11. (5 transfer windows in.) Manager of the season nomination. ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on May 17, 2017, 07:43:49 AM
Club is making moves to try and gain new match day support with the moves into the ethnic groups and the billboards on the motorway, buses etc. Only mugs like me part with their hard earned cash to watch this rubbish .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 17, 2017, 09:39:42 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 16, 2017, 10:38:28 PM

Same as any other manager at this level for us. Minimum of 15 games next season, he would be sacked if we were running at less than a point a game... (from the start of the season before we have all the same nonsense we had last year about 1 win in 15 or whatever.)

Sorry mate for once I disagree shouldn't and doesn't matter when the run happens it's inexcusable. Literally he writes off 33% at the end of each season. He needs moving on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on May 17, 2017, 09:51:46 AM
Can't just sack every manager who has a bad 11 games unless it takes you from around 12th to serious relegation trouble and especially when it only takes you from 8th to 9th where we are still punching above our weight in terms of budget and squad value.

Everyone is dissapointed with the end of the season but the same people moaning now are the ones who tipped us for relegation at the start. In other words whatever happened they wouldn't be happy and have an agenda against Pulis no matter what he achieves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 17, 2017, 10:04:09 AM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on May 17, 2017, 09:39:42 AM
Sorry mate for once I disagree shouldn't and doesn't matter when the run happens it's inexcusable. Literally he writes off 33% at the end of each season. He needs moving on

I am not sure he does beechy, I think its psychological in the players minds to be honest. When you think about it, after we got to 40 points we had nothing else to play for [other than the shirt and pride]. Take Chelsea for instance, win on Friday and they are the champions, Man City - fighting for a Champions league spot. Admittedly we have come up against other teams with not so much to play for, but would we be playing differently or better if [hypothetically] we were in a cup final or we were chasing a European spot? I still see TP on the sidelines shouting at his players to 'take him on' etc

There is no evidence available to confirm that he tells his players after 40 points 'job done, put your feet up' - if anyone believes that for one second.......

I suppose we have only noticed it with TP because we have hit the target with games to spare, and our relegation dogfight is not going down to the final couple of games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 17, 2017, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: leeiswba on May 17, 2017, 09:51:46 AM
Can't just sack every manager who has a bad 11 games unless it takes you from around 12th to serious relegation trouble and especially when it only takes you from 8th to 9th where we are still punching above our weight in terms of budget and squad value.

Everyone is dissapointed with the end of the season but the same people moaning now are the ones who tipped us for relegation at the start. In other words whatever happened they wouldn't be happy and have an agenda against Pulis no matter what he achieves.


I don't think it's anything personal against pulis, it's the same old excuses, negative approach, attitude and the lack of football he is providing the fans with.

By your post are you saying we should be fine with it because were over achieving anyway?

There is more to our football club than where we currently sit in the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 17, 2017, 10:08:57 AM
Quote from: leeiswba on May 17, 2017, 09:51:46 AM
Can't just sack every manager who has a bad 11 games unless it takes you from around 12th to serious relegation trouble and especially when it only takes you from 8th to 9th where we are still punching above our weight in terms of budget and squad value.

Everyone is dissapointed with the end of the season but the same people moaning now are the ones who tipped us for relegation at the start. In other words whatever happened they wouldn't be happy and have an agenda against Pulis no matter what he achieves.

Have you anything to back that up? I'm not so sure that anyone would have predicted us to go down with Pulis in charge as that seems to be the one guarantee he gives you, that you will stay up. My moan through his two full seasons in charge has been the football and it will remain the football until such a time as I see improvement in our ability to play football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 17, 2017, 10:37:59 AM
It's difficult to know who is responsible, but the product, at the moment,is bland, & it's unlikely to fill up the blue seats.
I don't believe Guochuan Lai will be happy with such a bland product & especially when his team are losing.
My own experiences with Chinese people is they are very proud, seriously cannot see GL being happy with the current position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: colinmax on May 17, 2017, 11:05:09 AM
He promised to use our youngsters at the end of the season yet is not really doing so.Experience now would pay dividends at the start of next season.
Sam Field has looked promising so why didn't he feature against Man City and why isn't Leko getting more game time?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 17, 2017, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: colinmax on May 17, 2017, 11:05:09 AM
He promised to use our youngsters at the end of the season yet is not really doing so.Experience now would pay dividends at the start of next season.
Sam Field has looked promising so why didn't he feature against Man City and why isn't Leko getting more game time?

I agree Leko needs more game time but not here.
He needs to be farmed out into the Championship or League 1, only a young lad but a lot to learn.
A couple of cheeky feints against an ageing full back doesn't make him an automatic pick at this level.
I think Pulis still has his Crystal Palace performance in the back of his mind.
Field might also benefit from the experience of Championship football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on May 17, 2017, 11:36:19 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 17, 2017, 06:47:05 AM
If that's your conclusion  ::)

1 draw in 7. 1 win in 11. (5 transfer windows in.) Manager of the season nomination. ???

It is my conclusion

Obviously people outside of the club think he is doing a great job hence the nomination...you dont get nominated for being a bad manager, he is also a previous winner of the award
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on May 17, 2017, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on May 17, 2017, 11:36:19 AM
It is my conclusion

Obviously people outside of the club think he is doing a great job hence the nomination...you dont get nominated for being a bad manager, he is also a previous winner of the award

Think about how little they think of the Albion. They look at the league position and think wow, he has taken little old Albion all the way to 8th he must be Gods gift to management. Forgetting we have already bleeding finished 8 and under Pulis we have some of our worst win ratios, goal ratios and shots on goal ratios.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 17, 2017, 12:51:41 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on May 17, 2017, 11:33:29 AM
I agree Leko needs more game time but not here.
He needs to be farmed out into the Championship or League 1, only a young lad but a lot to learn.
A couple of cheeky feints against an ageing full back doesn't make him an automatic pick at this level.
I think Pulis still has his Crystal Palace performance in the back of his mind.
Field might also benefit from the experience of Championship football.
Agree re. Leko that the jury is out, but the rest of them have been so poor, he couldn't have done any worse.
He was caught wanting against Palace but Fletcher (amongst others) does that week in, week out and plays every second.
We have nothing to lose in giving them a go. At least we might learn something, be it positive or negative, we learn nothing about the old timers, they just continue to get picked despite under-performing..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 17, 2017, 01:24:23 PM
He prefers to keep and play "knackered old has-beens". (Don't ask me why.)
He may slip in one or two young 'uns just to placate the fans, on the odd occasion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 17, 2017, 03:06:18 PM
Watford dissatisfied with the way they have been playing this season and removing Mazzarri in the same way in which they removed QSF for playing negative football. Oh to have some standards...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 17, 2017, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 17, 2017, 03:06:18 PM
Watford dissatisfied with the way they have been playing this season and removing Mazzarri in the same way in which they removed QSF for playing negative football. Oh to have some standards...

Not really similar with Mazzarri, he wasn't liked by the player so he was sacked which is completely reasonable. As far as I'm concerned our players don't dislike Pulis as Mazzarri seemed like a tyrant.

Watford is very unusually ran club, they have a high turnaround of players and staff on an annual basis and rely heavily on good, overseas scouting. Most clubs, including ours aren't run like this so hirings/firings aren't as common.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 17, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on May 17, 2017, 03:19:39 PM
Not really similar with Mazzarri, he wasn't liked by the player so he was sacked which is completely reasonable. As far as I'm concerned our players don't dislike Pulis as Mazzarri seemed like a tyrant.

Watford is very unusually ran club, they have a high turnaround of players and staff on an annual basis and rely heavily on good, overseas scouting. Most clubs, including ours aren't run like this so hirings/firings aren't as common.

We can only dream of the days of good, overseas scouting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wobbs68 on May 17, 2017, 03:46:02 PM
For me I think Pulis did a good job to get us to the position we were 7 or 8 games ago.  What has been his downfall is still to revert to plan A when we have the opportunity to release the shackles, play with a bit more flair and experiment.  We couldn't have done any worse and possibly could have done better.  That is my frustration and it has now happened 2 seasons running.

We wont stay up again with this squad next season and I'm personally worried that we will struggle to attract the players whilst Pulis is still here to possibly moves us to the next level ie closer points wise to 7th and a better cup run.  As much as I respect Pulis for what he has done the best we can do under him is stand still or worse still, flirt with relegation.  I think we need to be brave and go for a new manager.  Who, well that's the big question.  I would have gone for Gary Rowett but the timing is not right now.  I'd also like Chris Hughton but he's not going to leave Brighton, but I'm sure that there are others who can think of better options, other than keeping Pulis.

I will still go down regardless if Pulis is there or not and back both the manager and players, however after a hard week I wanted to be entertained and come away buzzing.  That doesn't happen very often anymore.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 17, 2017, 03:58:55 PM
with pulis in charge we have about a 1% chance of being relegated, and thats all the chinese care about. They arent here week in week out to watch us like the fans are and we very rarely capitulate against the big sides (spurs aside this year) so they wont see it/care.

Personally i think advocating pulis out after what hes achieved with the squad we have is absolute madness, but i totally get the point people are making. I didnt even  bother watching the city game last night.

We were very good mid season but i think the problem is the squad is knackered. We have a small squad and i dont know many teams who have to work harder than we do because of our tactics.

Theres nothing wrong with wanting to progress, but expecting to progress is different. imo we arent going to break into the top 7. We aint a big club, and because of financial fair play rules (which either a lot of fans dont understand or choose to ignore as it doesnt suit there agenda) we have little to no chance of stepping up.

The football can be dross, but when you compare our squad and others in the division, pulis has done exceptional.

I just hope people can manage expectations in the summer without throwing toys out of the pram. Id hate to turn into the "wimabigclub" mold, and i feel that might start to creep in next few years  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SedgleyAlbion on May 17, 2017, 03:59:55 PM
I'd like people to answer this.

What do you think the rest of the country thinks when they watch games like that last night?

We were time wasting after 17 minutes for God's sake.  It was totally and utterly unacceptable for me.  I ended up watching the play off semi.  I can't remember turning an Albion game over in my life, I'm a season ticket holder and will go no matter what.  There were three games on last night, I would bet we were the least watched of the three.  This is because we are unwatchable to the watching public without a vested interest in the teams.

These are the sort of games that make my blood boil.  I enjoyed Friday, even though we defended most of the time, and did it well, we did carry a threat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 17, 2017, 04:02:33 PM
My mate who went last night ( i didnt bother watching, i was busy) said we looked beyond knackered, thats probably why.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 17, 2017, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on May 17, 2017, 04:02:33 PM
My mate who went last night ( i didnt bother watching, i was busy) said we looked beyond knackered, thats probably why.

and nothing to play for against a team who wanted the three points for the Champions League. They did look knackered, I am amazed it was only 3-1 to be honest.

I said this earlier, for me the activity in the close season will shape our future and demonstrate to us, the fans, what the mid to long term intentions are. If its another few years of mid table mediocrity with last minute bargain basement players, then fans will simply vote with their feet, and I can't say I blame them.

Its not a nice feeling going to a game knowing that a) we have nothing to play for, and b) we are going to get a footballing lesson from players who cost more that Mr Lai paid for our club. So for me something has to change. I am patient and I don't mind TP being there for another year, but I am hoping to see improvement in quality and progression.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 17, 2017, 04:40:41 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 17, 2017, 03:06:18 PM
Watford dissatisfied with the way they have been playing this season and removing Mazzarri in the same way in which they removed QSF for playing negative football. Oh to have some standards...

So they fired a manager for being a semi finalist in the FA Cup and finishing 13th because he played terrible football...so they hired a new foreign manager who promises to play attractive football....and now they are 16th playing terrible football. Hmm.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 17, 2017, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 17, 2017, 04:40:41 PM
So they fired a manager for being a semi finalist in the FA Cup and finishing 13th because he played terrible football...so they hired a new foreign manager who promises to play attractive football....and now they are 16th playing terrible football. Hmm.

Realised they got it wrong and acted upon it. Much like I believe Southampton will this summer. They strive to find the right fit, instead of settling like we seem happy to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 17, 2017, 04:49:29 PM
I keep hearing the players are knackered being trotted out, then give the bloody kids and peripheral players a game FFS !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 17, 2017, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 17, 2017, 04:43:02 PM
Realised they got it wrong and acted upon it. Much like I believe Southampton will this summer. They strive to find the right fit, instead of settling like we seem happy to.

but for the grace of god eh? This could very easily be us if we get trigger happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 17, 2017, 05:42:41 PM
Quote from: SedgleyAlbion on May 17, 2017, 03:59:55 PM
I'd like people to answer this.

What do you think the rest of the country thinks when they watch games like that last night?

We were time wasting after 17 minutes for God's sake.  It was totally and utterly unacceptable for me.  I ended up watching the play off semi.  I can't remember turning an Albion game over in my life, I'm a season ticket holder and will go no matter what.  There were three games on last night, I would bet we were the least watched of the three.  This is because we are unwatchable to the watching public without a vested interest in the teams.

These are the sort of games that make my blood boil.  I enjoyed Friday, even though we defended most of the time, and did it well, we did carry a threat.


Probably the same thing they thought watching Manchester United at Anfield except we haven't got a 90 million pound central midfielder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 17, 2017, 06:26:22 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on May 17, 2017, 10:04:09 AM
I am not sure he does beechy, I think its psychological in the players minds to be honest. When you think about it, after we got to 40 points we had nothing else to play for [other than the shirt and pride]. Take Chelsea for instance, win on Friday and they are the champions, Man City - fighting for a Champions league spot. Admittedly we have come up against other teams with not so much to play for, but would we be playing differently or better if [hypothetically] we were in a cup final or we were chasing a European spot? I still see TP on the sidelines shouting at his players to 'take him on' etc

There is no evidence available to confirm that he tells his players after 40 points 'job done, put your feet up' - if anyone believes that for one second.......

I suppose we have only noticed it with TP because we have hit the target with games to spare, and our relegation dogfight is not going down to the final couple of games.

There is evidence of some kind of switch off after 40 points & the common factor is tp.
There was a stat on the bbc sports page when we played Leicester which confirmed that tp teams in the prem's record after reaching 40 points was played 43 won 6. This is now played 46 won 6.
Regardless of playing style, which is another issue altogether, I can't see how anyone can defend this stat as acceptable or that tp is not at the heart of it.
I doubt the club will be in any hurry to see the back of tp with his 40 point & safety first approach, its practically risk ( & often entertainment ) free but makes great sense from an investment & business point of view.
Its us fans I feel are getting short changed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 17, 2017, 10:47:42 PM
Barclays Premier Manager Award? Don't make me laugh my moobs off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 17, 2017, 10:48:19 PM
Yes. I'm a Pulis Pendulum. But it's a very shallow swing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on May 18, 2017, 11:55:20 AM
Stating the obvious but its a massive summer for the club.

I think both parties need to go into the end of season meeting with an open mind.

Obviously after the meeting things may change but i would offering Pulis a one year extension and setting him a target of 60 points and ideally a decent cup run for next season.

I think the 40 points becomes an obsession and once we hit it, sub conciously the mentality changes, i think if we could of had another 10-12 points to what we have had the  target been set, the players have tried but the mentality has changed.

I think this season has progressed from last season, spread the season into four and the the middle two quarters were good, i felt we played some decent stuff, we are not going to be a great footballing side under Pulis but we played good attacking stuff, sadly the last quarter of the season has overshadowed that.

I have no doubt most seasons we could probably hit 40 points because i think some of our players are experienced short term fixes who get the job done, however as owners looking to break into the far east market i would think the target has to be better than 40 points, we wont attract much attention that way.

Whether we like it or not Pulis has a type of player and style, i think defensive minded players have improved a lot under him but attacking players havent.

Although pleased in one way of the signing of Chadli i did wonder at the time if he was really the type of player we would get the best out of, in an ideal world we would be looking for that classy player to improve us, the reality is the way we play we are better with the Phillips, Mcleans, etc. In a different team i have no doubt Chadli would be quality but i just dont think he fits how we play so there is no point us signing players like that.

Like say above Pulis has a type of player and style so we may as well get the best possible players we can who play that way rather than sign players who dont fit the style and convert / waste them.

Same applies to a certain extent with Rondon, in a playing sense i feel sorry for him as he knows most of the game he is fighting a lost cause, he is a very different player to the one we first signed and i think his head has gone, and whoever we replace him with will probably be the same in 18 months time, but you have to milk them for the 12-18 months leading upto it.

Personally i dont think Pulis can change his style or ways but he has steadied the ship and i think deserves another season and if we can buy players, improve certain aspects of our play (we are never going to be Man City possession wise but lately our ball retention is shocking) be more positive in our targets and our playing style and make the those two good season quarters into three good season quarters then thats good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 18, 2017, 12:15:51 PM
With so much change going on behind the scenes Pulis was needed to steady the front of house at least. I even think a 2nd season of stability is a good idea for the big picture. But if Pulis (given the investment he'll be getting this summer) can't break 50 points and isn't bare minimum 12th next season then he must be moved on.

At a certain point we need to break the mindset that we're lucky and happy to be here. Next season is our 8th in a row in the Prem and our 11th out of 15 (off the top of my head).

We have every right to consider ourself a Prem team now and as so we should aim to be improving year on year, not just "we survived, brilliant! Job done lads". The above post by 79 is bang on about mentality, even if it's subconcious.

Personally I'd rather watch a 2-2 than a 0-0 and i'd rather lose 3-2 than 1-0, so our lack of effort in attack has taken a huge chunk of the fun out for me, especially seeing as we're not keeping clean sheets anymore.

Give Pulis this last year. If it's not noticably better then part ways.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 18, 2017, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: Manc Baggie on May 17, 2017, 06:26:22 PM
There is evidence of some kind of switch off after 40 points & the common factor is tp.
There was a stat on the bbc sports page when we played Leicester which confirmed that tp teams in the prem's record after reaching 40 points was played 43 won 6. This is now played 46 won 6.
Regardless of playing style, which is another issue altogether, I can't see how anyone can defend this stat as acceptable or that tp is not at the heart of it.
I doubt the club will be in any hurry to see the back of tp with his 40 point & safety first approach, its practically risk ( & often entertainment ) free but makes great sense from an investment & business point of view.
Its us fans I feel are getting short changed.

It's not just under Pulis though. Under Hodgson and Clarke we struggled once we were safe, we struggled under Mel too but that had nothing to do with being safe.

I am disappointed with the way this season has panned out, especially the way we've mostly (not) played since we hit the 40 point mark and to take 5 points from the available 33 is unacceptable, especially as in the previous 11 games we got 20 points.

Pulis has to take some blame, probably most of it but I just don't think you can lay all the blame at Pulis's door, the players have to be held responsible too.

Having Matt Phillips injured hasn't helped but we did give our best performance (in my opinion) without him in the side against Arsenal at home so we can play nice attacking football without him in the side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 18, 2017, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on May 18, 2017, 11:55:20 AM
Stating the obvious but its a massive summer for the club.

I think both parties need to go into the end of season meeting with an open mind.

Obviously after the meeting things may change but i would offering Pulis a one year extension and setting him a target of 60 points and ideally a decent cup run for next season.

I think the 40 points becomes an obsession and once we hit it, sub conciously the mentality changes, i think if we could of had another 10-12 points to what we have had the  target been set, the players have tried but the mentality has changed.

I think this season has progressed from last season, spread the season into four and the the middle two quarters were good, i felt we played some decent stuff, we are not going to be a great footballing side under Pulis but we played good attacking stuff, sadly the last quarter of the season has overshadowed that.

I have no doubt most seasons we could probably hit 40 points because i think some of our players are experienced short term fixes who get the job done, however as owners looking to break into the far east market i would think the target has to be better than 40 points, we wont attract much attention that way.

Whether we like it or not Pulis has a type of player and style, i think defensive minded players have improved a lot under him but attacking players havent.

Although pleased in one way of the signing of Chadli i did wonder at the time if he was really the type of player we would get the best out of, in an ideal world we would be looking for that classy player to improve us, the reality is the way we play we are better with the Phillips, Mcleans, etc. In a different team i have no doubt Chadli would be quality but i just dont think he fits how we play so there is no point us signing players like that.

Like say above Pulis has a type of player and style so we may as well get the best possible players we can who play that way rather than sign players who dont fit the style and convert / waste them.

Same applies to a certain extent with Rondon, in a playing sense i feel sorry for him as he knows most of the game he is fighting a lost cause, he is a very different player to the one we first signed and i think his head has gone, and whoever we replace him with will probably be the same in 18 months time, but you have to milk them for the 12-18 months leading upto it.

Personally i dont think Pulis can change his style or ways but he has steadied the ship and i think deserves another season and if we can buy players, improve certain aspects of our play (we are never going to be Man City possession wise but lately our ball retention is shocking) be more positive in our targets and our playing style and make the those two good season quarters into three good season quarters then thats good.

I agree with most of what you say but I think setting a points total of 60 is unrealistic especially as we've never even got to 50. Setting a minimum of 49 would be better in my opinion it is achievable and also more likely that we would get to 50 and beyond, couple it with at least 5th round in both cups.
Also I don't buy the defensively sound argument either as we concede in pretty much every game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on May 18, 2017, 12:30:12 PM
Apologies, i meant defensive minded players individually seem to of improved - Dawson, McAuley, Evans, Yacob mainly but i agree as a unit we are still not great.

My worry with saying 50 points would be we would hit it and then stop again and finish on 51 points or something when they may be still plenty of points to play for.

I dont think we can blame anyone but ourselves for not getting 50 points this season, we had three months to do it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 18, 2017, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on May 18, 2017, 12:30:12 PM
Apologies, i meant defensive minded players individually seem to of improved - Dawson, McAuley, Evans, Yacob mainly but i agree as a unit we are still not great.

My worry with saying 50 points would be we would hit it and then stop again and finish on 51 points or something when they may be still plenty of points to play for.

I dont think we can blame anyone but ourselves for not getting 50 points this season, we had three months to do it.

Setting it at 49 points is achievable though and an improvement on 40. If we only got to 51 that would still be our best Prem League era total.
I just think 60 points is way too unachievable. Everton have only just broken it and they are quite a bit ahead of us in every aspect.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on May 18, 2017, 01:15:16 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 18, 2017, 12:46:59 PM
Setting it at 49 points is achievable though and an improvement on 40. If we only got to 51 that would still be our best Prem League era total.
I just think 60 points is way too unachievable. Everton have only just broken it and they are quite a bit ahead of us in every aspect.

Why not (if we don't already) offer a bonus system based on points & league position rising noticeably after 50 & that to include the manager & the staff.
But the manager has to be 100% the driving force behind this push for 50 points or more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 18, 2017, 01:25:19 PM
Quote from: geoff on May 18, 2017, 01:15:16 PM
Why not (if we don't already) offer a bonus system based on points & league position rising noticeably after 50 & that to include the manager & the staff.
But the manager has to be 100% the driving force behind this push for 50 points or more.
we could increase the price of season tickets to pay for this bonus as they don't get paid enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on May 18, 2017, 01:31:01 PM
Quote from: paulosull on May 18, 2017, 01:25:19 PM
we could increase the price of season tickets to pay for this bonus as they don't get paid enough.

Were the F did my post suggest a increase in the price of season ticket.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 18, 2017, 01:34:41 PM
Quote from: geoff on May 18, 2017, 01:31:01 PM
Were the F did my post suggest a increase in the price of season ticket.
so where do you suggest we find the funds for bonus, transfer funds maybe?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on May 18, 2017, 01:39:11 PM
Quote from: geoff on May 18, 2017, 01:31:01 PM
Were the F did my post suggest a increase in the price of season ticket.

A better question would have been "where would this extra money come from"
My answer would have been
1. sale of extra tickets brought on by better results
2. Extra tv revenue for showing more of our games live.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 18, 2017, 01:41:13 PM
Quote from: geoff on May 18, 2017, 01:31:01 PM
Were the F did my post suggest a increase in the price of season ticket.
they get enough bonuses already, we should be docking wages or Pulis should have given our youth team a run out that might have embarrassed the so called professionals to turn up for game's
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 18, 2017, 01:46:44 PM
Quote from: paulosull on May 18, 2017, 01:41:13 PM
they get enough bonuses already, we should be docking wages or Pulis should have given our youth team a run out that might have embarrassed the so called professionals to turn up for game's

I've often thought this before, but you can't start not paying people because they don't win. I imagine they get bonuses for winning, scoring, clean sheets etc already.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on May 18, 2017, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on May 18, 2017, 01:46:44 PM
I've often thought this before, but you can't start not paying people because they don't win. I imagine they get bonuses for winning, scoring, clean sheets etc already.

I thought that was the case like i sad in my above post.

Money is the biggest motivator in football today wouldn't you agree.
Maybe the way forward could be a wage cap for ALL players then topped up  by uncapped bonuses at the end of each season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 18, 2017, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: geoff on May 18, 2017, 03:08:41 PM
I thought that was the case like i sad in my above post.

Money is the biggest motivator in football today wouldn't you agree.
Maybe the way forward could be a wage cap for ALL players then topped up  by uncapped bonuses at the end of each season.

I was also thinking this earlier. Trouble is if you're the only club doing the wage caps, the players will just sign elsewhere where there aren't any caps.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 18, 2017, 05:22:33 PM
When we initially brought most of the players to the Hawthorns, they played really well.
Since then Pulis has trained all those skills out of them so that they fit his ideas.
The players should have been left to employ those skills, instead of dumbing down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 18, 2017, 06:42:38 PM
I think We have to examine what the chairman and investors will want, clearly a major element will be exposure in Asia, as WBAFv we will not provide that, as a premier league side we do!
So the owners will almost certainly keep Pulis to achieve this, however exposure as a defensive side that does not competed against the high profile clubs Weill not attract the Asian to companies, they will err towards the more attractive matches IMO.
I expect that TO will be given a season to
a) maintain prem status
b) transition the squad to a more attractive proposition
c) modify the style to what the TV audience wish to see

Can he do it? a) yes b&c) I doubt it very much
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 18, 2017, 07:20:08 PM
I'm interested to know why people think that Tony Pulis is the only Head Coach that can keep us in the Premier League.

Every season there are 16 other clubs that retain their EPL status, & even if you take out the top 6, that still leaves 10, whose Managers kept them in the EPL.

We could double TP's wage & it wouldn't have a significant impact on the club's outgoings, so I can't imagine wages is a problem.

Personally, I don't think moving Pulis on would be too much of a risk, & until we do any transition or transformation just isn't going to happen.

Mr Pulis is very much WYSIWYG.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 19, 2017, 10:26:59 AM
hows season ticket sales going. if Tonys brand is identical this time next year and the same of the last 2 seasons then i think folk will start getting the sleeping pills out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 19, 2017, 10:39:19 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 19, 2017, 10:26:59 AM
hows season ticket sales going. if Tonys brand is identical this time next year and the same of the last 2 seasons then i think folk will start getting the sleeping pills out

I think they will still do well with season ticket sales, too many are blinded by our current league position.

Me personally I couldn't care less where we are in the table, it's about the entertainment and fun in the days out on matchdays for me.... only problem is, the entertainment and fun is slowly slipping away.

Whilst others will happily pay their money to watch us not even bother to attempt to win a football match but it's ok but we're 8th and over achieving anyway... again, that 8th position is slowly slipping away too  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 19, 2017, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 19, 2017, 10:39:19 AM
I think they will still do well with season ticket sales, too many are blinded by our current league position.

Me personally I couldn't care less where we are in the table, it's about the entertainment and fun in the days out on matchdays for me.... only problem is, the entertainment and fun is slowly slipping away.

Whilst others will happily pay their money to watch us not even bother to attempt to win a football match but it's ok but we're 8th and over achieving anyway... again, that 8th position is slowly slipping away too  ::)

Last time I checked we were 9th........ all academic I know
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 19, 2017, 11:05:25 AM
How silly is the PR. Does pulis really not know what they want to spend??? Does he really have to go china to find out??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 19, 2017, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on May 19, 2017, 10:41:19 AM
Last time I checked we were 9th........ all academic I know

It's called sarcasm, that was everyone's argument up until this week.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on May 19, 2017, 12:30:04 PM
Personally looking forward the end of the Pulis era.

Apart from the bottom 3. Is there a team that plays worse football than us? Don't think so.

Whenever we play away, we are set up not to lose. Most games we seem to be set up in a 6-3-1 formation.

Watching Mclean and HRK come off the bench in mid-week was frankly depressing.

Dull as ditch water.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on May 19, 2017, 03:42:00 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on May 19, 2017, 12:30:04 PM
Personally looking forward the end of the Pulis era.

Apart from the bottom 3. Is there a team that plays worse football than us? Don't think so.

Whenever we play away, we are set up not to lose. Most games we seem to be set up in a 6-3-1 formation.

Watching Mclean and HRK come off the bench in mid-week was frankly depressing.

Dull as ditch water.
Yet HRK does what Rondon cant do? Baffling
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 19, 2017, 03:44:56 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on May 19, 2017, 12:30:04 PM
Personally looking forward the end of the Pulis era.

Apart from the bottom 3. Is there a team that plays worse football than us? Don't think so.

Whenever we play away, we are set up not to lose. Most games we seem to be set up in a 6-3-1 formation.

Watching Mclean and HRK come off the bench in mid-week was frankly depressing.

Dull as ditch water.

McClean is often our best attacking option, more so without Phillips in the side. Certainly against City once him and Robson-Kanu came on we actually had some attacking intent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on May 19, 2017, 03:46:07 PM
Quote from: albion59 on May 19, 2017, 03:42:00 PM
Yet HRK does what Rondon cant do? Baffling

HRK has 3 goals this season, Rondon has 8. What is it that Rondon can't do?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 19, 2017, 04:26:18 PM
Pulis has split a lot of fans with his style of football.
One side wants entertaining football, the other wants "just to remain in the Prem".
Pulis is a one trick pony, you wont get the first part unless by mistake.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on May 19, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: wba_1996 on May 19, 2017, 03:46:07 PM
HRK has 3 goals this season, Rondon has 8. What is it that Rondon can't do?

Not sure this helps with your question but just for perspective:

HRK has started 5 games this season (23 sub) = 3 goals (a goal every 225 mins)
SR has started 31 games this season (6 sub)   = 8 goals (a goal every 350 mins)



 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 19, 2017, 08:17:41 PM
Quote from: dont ask me to choose luv on May 19, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
Not sure this helps with your question but just for perspective:

HRK has started 5 games this season (23 sub) = 3 goals (a goal every 225 mins)
SR has started 31 games this season (6 sub)   = 8 goals (a goal every 350 mins)
Good answer, HRK for me at the moment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 19, 2017, 08:39:06 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on May 19, 2017, 04:26:18 PM
Pulis has split a lot of fans with his style of football.
One side wants entertaining football, the other wants "just to remain in the Prem".
Pulis is a one trick pony, you wont get the first part unless by mistake.
And our previous manages did not? Our fans like others are great moaners.Even Roy had his moaners.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 20, 2017, 08:05:41 AM
West Bromwich Albion FOOTBALL Club
West Bromwich Albion PREMIERSHIP Club

I think we are supposed to be a football club but could be wrong?

I am a fan of football, some think the Premiership label is more important in my opinion. 

Chadli bright start then Pulised, Livermore bright start then Pulised, anyone purchased will be Pulised so budget and names purchased have little consequence.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
I have until the 4th to keep my seat, maybe a decent attacking win today will cement my decision
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 21, 2017, 10:56:04 AM
What will Pulis be aiming for in the transfer window ? Personally I hope and think he will get a couple more players in to allow us to take the style we had between September and February a stage further. During that spell we scored goals, some good goals from break away passing moves. I think the vast majority were a lot less critical during that spell.
Since then Phillips has been injured, Chadli injured and out of form and several players getting more jaded as the season has gone on, exposing our lack of depth and lack of strikers.
I think Pulis will know that the owners will expect better than we've been churning out of late - he's not dull. See what the summer brings, see how we go in the first 12 games of the new season. If we are still not scoring or picking up points then there are serious questions about Pulis but I don't expect that to be the position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on May 21, 2017, 11:26:08 AM
We have shone at times this season but these moments feel in spite of Pulis and not because of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 21, 2017, 02:58:40 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on May 21, 2017, 11:26:08 AM
We have shone at times this season but these moments feel in spite of Pulis and not because of him.
So when we play well it's nothing to do with Pulis and when we play badly it's all Pulis fault...that's pretty balanced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on May 21, 2017, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 21, 2017, 02:58:40 PM
So when we play well it's nothing to do with Pulis and when we play badly it's all Pulis fault...that's pretty balanced.

I didn't say it's all Pulis' fault if we play badly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 21, 2017, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 21, 2017, 10:56:04 AM
What will Pulis be aiming for in the transfer window ?

He's going to throw his book out of the window, go for flair players and it will all be attack attack attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on May 21, 2017, 04:41:57 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on May 21, 2017, 04:40:40 PM
He's going to throw his book out of the window, go for flair players and it will all be attack attack attack.

More chance of me playing up front next season! 😂
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 21, 2017, 04:53:02 PM
What a joke !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 21, 2017, 04:53:44 PM
Get rid asap
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on May 21, 2017, 04:54:26 PM
All that remains now is the final sycophantic Bowler interview...#turgid and inept...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 21, 2017, 04:55:57 PM
Needs to go now and give someone else the pre-season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2017, 04:56:48 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
I have until the 4th to keep my seat, maybe a decent attacking win today will cement my decision


I was hoping of course
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 21, 2017, 04:57:22 PM
I said it a while back I think Pulis has taken us as far as he can go , good players come here and lose all form playing in his cage. Overall he's done the job he was bought here to do but if it was up to me I'd be looking elsewhere now.
Awful football , can't put three passes together and soft at the back.
Add to that his lust for old past it players on big money ....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2017, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on May 21, 2017, 04:54:26 PM
All that remains now is the final sycophantic Bowler interview...#turgid and inept...


I switched off listening to him a few years ago
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on May 21, 2017, 04:58:36 PM
Should have moved him on when we were safe..couldn't have played any poorer without a manager..would be 3 months into recruiting a new manager by now..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 21, 2017, 04:58:50 PM
Can see the board giving new contract, if they do then Williams should do one aswell
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 04:59:55 PM
We finished last year terribly too and still had an overall good year. Hope we get major investment to help out next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 21, 2017, 05:03:04 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 04:59:55 PM
We finished last year terribly too and still had an overall good year. Hope we get major investment to help out next year.
Doesn't matter who we sign , they get drilled into his negative way and lose any attacking will.
See Chadli as an example .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on May 21, 2017, 05:04:16 PM
we are just AWFUL when it comes to capitalizing on mistakes by the other team. how many times did a Swansea player give it away/slip over allowing us to be 3 on 3 (or that sort of scenario) yet the best we ever got out of those attacks were throw ins. I've never seen a less competent team when it comes to that.

Very glad the season is over.

Would I have taken 10th at the start of the season? of course!
Can I take positives from our mid season run? of course.
Can I get excited for next year expecting the exact same? afraid not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyPulis on May 21, 2017, 05:05:05 PM
Quote from: Dexy on May 21, 2017, 05:03:04 PM
Doesn't matter who we sign , they get drilled into his negative way and lose any attacking will.
See Chadli as an example .

Chadli was poor in Tottenham too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: Dexy on May 21, 2017, 05:03:04 PM
Doesn't matter who we sign , they get drilled into his negative way and lose any attacking will.
See Chadli as an example .

How many teams below us on the table will actually say they played attractive football for 85% of the year?

I am not going to let the end of the year totally eclipse the great stretch we had.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 21, 2017, 05:07:22 PM
Quote from: SirTonyPulis on May 21, 2017, 05:05:05 PM
Chadli was poor in Tottenham too.
Alright try this , Fletcher Chadli and Livermore all decent passes of the ball before us .
No coincidence what happens here after a few months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyPulis on May 21, 2017, 05:10:41 PM
Quote from: Dexy on May 21, 2017, 05:07:22 PM
Alright try this , Fletcher Chadli and Livermore all decent passes of the ball before us .
No coincidence what happens here after a few months.

Probably more to do with tactics and less easy passes to play. Having a good shape of the team is still more important than having a slightly higher passes completed percentage. The problem is that our manager and players stopped trying after reaching 40 points
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 21, 2017, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 05:05:59 PM
How many teams below us on the table will actually say they played attractive football for 85% of the year?

I am not going to let the end of the year totally eclipse the great stretch we had.
I'm not even asking for 85% , the passing is awful and embarrasing despite having plenty of money spent. Good stretch in the middle but very poor either side . With respect if anybody thinks the football will change with yet more money chucked at it they are kidding themselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 21, 2017, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: SirTonyPulis on May 21, 2017, 05:10:41 PM
Probably more to do with tactics and less easy passes to play. Having a good shape of the team is still more important than having a slightly higher passes completed percentage. The problem is that our manager and players stopped trying after reaching 40 points
Nothing wrong with shape , its the second phase Pulis talks of. He talks a good game about that so why are we so negative a lot of the time.
Confidence in certain players on the ball has dropped hugely over this season. That isnt going to get any better under him no matter how much money you give him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 05:17:13 PM
Quote from: Dexy on May 21, 2017, 05:11:49 PM
I'm not even asking for 85% , the passing is awful and embarrasing despite having plenty of money spent. Good stretch in the middle but very poor either side . With respect if anybody thinks the football will change with yet more money chucked at it they are kidding themselves.

I don't expect Tony to play free flowing football. I just highly doubt whoever we get as a new coach will do that just because he's new. Southampton and Watford are showing that the hard way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 21, 2017, 05:19:06 PM
 The thing with Pulis is you are always going to get Pulisball you can bring in better players but all you will get is a slightly better form of Pulisball the guy is a one trick pony!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 21, 2017, 05:26:16 PM
Ben Foster is our most creative midfielder, no he is our goalkeeper but hits Rondon more times each game than the others do, we are Hoof and run we are now Stoke!

HOOFBALL Albion, never thought my club would except it, the greed league means more than our history

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 21, 2017, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 05:17:13 PM
I don't expect Tony to play free flowing football. I just highly doubt whoever we get as a new coach will do that just because he's new. Southampton and Watford are showing that the hard way.
I'm not even asking for free flowing , I'd just like basics of passing , creating attacking moves and goals from open play . Is that too much to ask ?
Keep in mind the run we are on and the fact we barely finished above 40 points when you think of it that way.
He won't change his ways , he won't change the type of player he wants to sign either. We'll have more paceless , sit back type players looking for a set piece.
He won't go , I expect another season at least but I'm saying IMO if I was in charge I'd be looking around .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on May 21, 2017, 05:28:56 PM
I've had enough. What fans do you think are happier this season; ours or Swansea. Swansea have an exciting young manager (who came through great mentorships) that we were often linked with and we have old Pulis who will keep us up but it'll be boring as hell and tail off after 40 points - proven.

I've been once in 2 years and it was a massive disappointment and one I expected but hoped to be surprised  - something that happens a lot these days.

Get rid of Pulis and starting building something. Please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 21, 2017, 05:33:39 PM
I'd be happy to see that the meeting in China had been postponed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on May 21, 2017, 05:34:53 PM
Everyone talks about this magical 40 points which we have done well to achieve .

Quite how this lot will get that tally next season . Pulis might have his biggest challenge to come . Investment or not .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 21, 2017, 05:40:02 PM
Quote from: lewisant on May 21, 2017, 05:28:56 PM
I've had enough. What fans do you think are happier this season; ours or Swansea. Swansea have an exciting young manager (who came through great mentorships) that we were often linked with and we have old Pulis who will keep us up but it'll be boring as hell and tail off after 40 points - proven.

I've been once in 2 years and it was a massive disappointment and one I expected but hoped to be surprised  - something that happens a lot these days.

Get rid of Pulis and starting building something. Please.

I don't think 'building' really works these days due to the gap in wealth and realistically 8th is our best position due to the sheer gulf between the mega clubs and the rest of the league. We tried 'building' with Clarke and Mowbray which didn't end well, West Ham tried it with Bilic which isn't going well, when you do have a good manager (Pochetino) they get poached. Ironically Swansea may have said the same about Monk which also ended badly.

I think bigger than the manager is building a proper youth setup like Southampton have done. Even then, as we saw with Brown, Dhanda etc it's not very easy. Honestly I don't know what the answer is though, I think football is incredibly short-term these days and young managers don't last very long at the same club. Personally I think developing the youth and also cutting home ticket prices would be a step in the right direction to try and get the ground filled and start to look inwards instead of comparing to other clubs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on May 21, 2017, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on May 21, 2017, 05:40:02 PM
I don't think 'building' really works these days due to the gap in wealth and realistically 8th is our best position due to the sheer gulf between the mega clubs and the rest of the league. We tried 'building' with Clarke and Mowbray which didn't end well, West Ham tried it with Bilic which isn't going well, when you do have a good manager (Pochetino) they get poached. Ironically Swansea may have said the same about Monk which also ended badly.

I think bigger than the manager is building a proper youth setup like Southampton have done. Even then, as we saw with Brown, Dhanda etc it's not very easy. Honestly I don't know what the answer is though, I think football is incredibly short-term these days and young managers don't last very long at the same club. Personally I think developing the youth and also cutting home ticket prices would be a step in the right direction to try and get the ground filled and start to look inwards instead of comparing to other clubs.

The developing you're talking about is exactly what I want. I'm not talking about pushing beyond eighth but I'm talking about a club where the DoF and manager are both building from the bottom up for the good of the club. I can't help but think Pulis cares about one man only. In a job where people pay a lot of money to see what is essentially entertainment he needs to do more. It's not like the defence has even been that good this season and if that's the case the only thing he really offers is Premier league safety.

We may have tried and failed with Mowbray and Clarke but I know what drew me out of Cornwall to watch us more and that was Mowbray and Clarke (to an extent).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 21, 2017, 05:52:37 PM
I would just like for us to be able to pass the ball successfully to one another and have some form of game plan other than lumping it up at poor Rondon and hoping for corners as they are our best chance of a goal.

The football is just terrible to watch. I would sooner take the chance and change it than have the guarantee of safety and mind numbing football that he provides.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: Dexy on May 21, 2017, 05:28:30 PM
I'm not even asking for free flowing , I'd just like basics of passing , creating attacking moves and goals from open play . Is that too much to ask ?
Keep in mind the run we are on and the fact we barely finished above 40 points when you think of it that way.
He won't change his ways , he won't change the type of player he wants to sign either. We'll have more paceless , sit back type players looking for a set piece.
He won't go , I expect another season at least but I'm saying IMO if I was in charge I'd be looking around .

We did show it in the early/middle of the year. The problem is all our bad games where stuck together just like most of our good games were.

 I will love to see more passing too but given the current investment from the owners it's hard to get those skilled players to come here here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 21, 2017, 05:59:07 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 05:56:11 PM
We did show it in the early/middle of the year. The problem is all our bad games where stuck together just like most of our good games were.

 I will love to see more passing too but given the current investment from the owners it's hard to get those skilled players to come here here.
I think any professional footballer at this level should be able to pass a ball, if they cant they should be coached until the can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MrDominicRoberts on May 21, 2017, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on May 21, 2017, 05:33:39 PM
I'd be happy to see that the meeting in China had been postponed.

I thought about this as well. Would he be taken all the way to China with John Williams only to be told that he is not a part of the future plans for West Bromwich Albion?

The next couple of hours will be very interesting indeed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on May 21, 2017, 06:03:07 PM
Not once has he tried to change any tactics hence why we lost against Crystal Palace, big Sam knew how we would set up and countered it. At the time some teams have successfully gone at 3 at the back I would have thought Evans, McCauley and Dawson would have excelled in that role.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 21, 2017, 06:10:53 PM
Failing to given get a draw cost us £3.9m i think.

Utterly utterly useless. I pray to god he's dismissed whilst in China.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 21, 2017, 06:13:49 PM
Reports that Southampton, who have finished above us, are getting shot of Puel because the football has been so bad.

Oh to see a club who strive to entertain. We are just content to stay up and watch this football regardless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 21, 2017, 06:14:47 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 05:56:11 PM
We did show it in the early/middle of the year. The problem is all our bad games where stuck together just like most of our good games were.

 I will love to see more passing too but given the current investment from the owners it's hard to get those skilled players to come here here.

The real problem is we had a bit of luck, played some decent football and got some good results..... then it went back to the negative, hoof ball, pulis way (the way we all hated when he was at stoke)  ::)

You just can't justify beating Arsenal 3-1 then going 9 games without a win looking so poor for the majority of those games... its just down to using the same tired players (I know we have a small squad but we still have players that can't do any worse than the first team have done in recent weeks), lack of ideas, so much negativity and I'm sure making our attacking players focus on defensive jobs can't help either.

But that's just how Pulis is, he will never change as he believes that's what works best for him.

People are going on about we need major investment to help us.... that is the last thing we need imo, Our owners to throw loads of cash at players for them to come here and be pulis'd?! (See chadli and livermore for example!)

I never wanted to see him at our club, he then went on a good run mid season so i backed him thinking maybe he knows what he is doing.... but obviously he don't have a clue and reverted back to his usual self.

Its negative, boring and depressing... league position will not pull the wool over my eyes thats for sure.

Never thought I would ever say it but I'm glad the season is over to have a break from his rubbish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 21, 2017, 06:30:46 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 21, 2017, 06:14:47 PM
The real problem is we had a bit of luck, played some decent football and got some good results..... then it went back to the negative, hoof ball, pulis way (the way we all hated when he was at stoke)  ::)

You just can't justify beating Arsenal 3-1 then going 9 games without a win looking so poor for the majority of those games... its just down to using the same tired players (I know we have a small squad but we still have players that can't do any worse than the first team have done in recent weeks), lack of ideas, so much negativity and I'm sure making our attacking players focus on defensive jobs can't help either.

But that's just how Pulis is, he will never change as he believes that's what works best for him.

People are going on about we need major investment to help us.... that is the last thing we need imo, Our owners to throw loads of cash at players for them to come here and be pulis'd?! (See chadli and livermore for example!)

I never wanted to see him at our club, he then went on a good run mid season so i backed him thinking maybe he knows what he is doing.... but obviously he don't have a clue and reverted back to his usual self.

Its negative, boring and depressing... league position will not pull the wool over my eyes thats for sure.

Never thought I would ever say it but I'm glad the season is over to have a break from his rubbish.


As far as I'm concerned, it's Pulis's choice we have a small squad,

For a club that's been, for years, accused of underfunding the playing squad, I'm really p^ssed off that he pulled the plug on Camancho at the last minute last August,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 21, 2017, 06:31:38 PM
surely Pulis was a short term fix to bring stability, isn't everything in place now to move forward now the takeover is done and dusted. with both these things achieved the one thing that remains to be done is a united fan base, something that will never happen while Pulis is manger of WBA.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on May 21, 2017, 06:36:06 PM
If we had gone nine games without a win at the beginning of the season Pullis would have undoubtedly been dismissed, just because we are safe should make no difference

Pullis out >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2017, 06:38:29 PM
Normally over the course of the season I would be delighted to finish tenth with 45 points.

However, I find it hard to take this as any sort of achievement given the last three months has been without beating about the bush, garbage. Since guaranteeing our safety we have broken unwanted club records, waved the white flag whenever possible with some ultra negative defensive rearguards when there was no need whatsoever in my view for that approach to be taken. I am fed up of seeing someone like Nacer Chadli playing as an auxillary full-back. Furthermore, had it not been for the fact we are remotely good at set pieces then our goal tally would be a little worse yet because we seem incapable of scoring from open play.

There was signs in the middle part of the season from November to January where we looked like we had turned a corner and by and large the football matches were entertaining. However, it has soon reverted to type.

In terms of his future - given that Williams is running the club on a daily basis I don't think he is silly enough to go and sack the man who will virtually guarantee you Premier League football and access to the millions and millions now on offer. And Lai, will no doubt trust that judgement too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 21, 2017, 06:41:55 PM
Excuses, but its never Tones fault.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/886585962?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 06:42:13 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 21, 2017, 06:13:49 PM
Reports that Southampton, who have finished above us, are getting shot of Puel because the football has been so bad.

Oh to see a club who strive to entertain. We are just content to stay up and watch this football regardless.

They also went from 6th place with 63 points to 8th with 46 points and crashed out of the Europa League. The EFL cup run was their only saving grace but they had a disappointing year.

Tony took a team that finish 14th, got them to finish 10th this year and in exchange no cup run. I don't see how that is comparable. We slightly overachieved and Puel took a team that finished 6th and had a big drop off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 21, 2017, 06:45:35 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 21, 2017, 06:13:49 PM
Reports that Southampton, who have finished above us, are getting shot of Puel because the football has been so bad.

Oh to see a club who strive to entertain. We are just content to stay up and watch this football regardless.
Sums things up perfectly for me.
One club is appears to be looking forward, the other is looking nervously behind themselves. Guess which one we are?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 21, 2017, 06:47:03 PM
The Pulis comments post match highlight why we should be cautious to give him too much money. "We have to invest and spend a lot on quality reinforcements to take us to another level"....which he has never ever done. Tenth is his highest finish ever so what level is that?
Why not give him less money and just say keep us between 10th and 16th.

The biggest question is what do the hierarchy want? If it's to stay in the league every year and make money then Pulis is perfect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on May 21, 2017, 06:47:24 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2017, 06:38:29 PM
Normally over the course of the season I would be delighted to finish tenth with 45 points.

However, I find it hard to take this as any sort of achievement given the last three months has been without beating about the bush, garbage. Since guaranteeing our safety we have broken unwanted club records, waved the white flag whenever possible with some ultra negative defensive rearguards when there was no need whatsoever in my view for that approach to be taken. I am fed up of seeing someone like Nacer Chadli playing as an auxillary full-back. Furthermore, had it not been for the fact we are remotely good at set pieces then our goal tally would be a little worse yet because we seem incapable of scoring from open play.

There was signs in the middle part of the season from November to January where we looked like we had turned a corner and by and large the football matches were entertaining. However, it has soon reverted to type.

In terms of his future - given that Williams is running the club on a daily basis I don't think he is silly enough to go and sack the man who will virtually guarantee you Premier League football and access to the millions and millions now on offer. And Lai, will no doubt trust that judgement too.

As a billionaire I'm sure Lai doesn't want to invest in mid-table obscurity and will take the right decision to achieve the maximum return on investment and if that means a new manager with the ability to grow the team, performances and success on the field then so be it. Growing merchandise and standium means greater income and that is  dependent on field performances
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2017, 06:50:55 PM
Unfortunately Pulis is a one trick pony and no matter how much money is thrown at him there will never be a different tactical outcome.

The only worthwhile investment the board can now make is a £2m pay off to get shot of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 21, 2017, 06:59:46 PM
Not so much the end-of-season results that bother me, more the links to Terry, Wilson, and lack of opportunity for the youth lads in recent weeks. This aging squad simply has to be addressed this summer and if Pulis thinks bringing in players like Terry is the answer, it's time to get rid. I want  pace and energy to supplement the experience we have already got.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 21, 2017, 07:07:46 PM
If the owners just want to to say in the league then Pulis is the right man. If they want to entertain the fans and make an effort to progress and be more expansive he's not. I guess their comment would be "who do you bring in for us to progress, with a small budget?".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on May 21, 2017, 07:08:01 PM
Maybe it's just my view but Pulis seems to have a very strong stranglehold on the club .

The owners of the club have got to reign him in on this visit to China and ask serious questions about the  recent results and performances . 

I do wonder though how bothered the Chinese actually are .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 21, 2017, 07:09:12 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on May 21, 2017, 06:47:24 PM
As a billionaire I'm sure Lai doesn't want to invest in mid-table obscurity and will take the right decision to achieve the maximum return on investment and if that means a new manager with the ability to grow the team, performances and success on the field then so be it. Growing merchandise and standium means greater income and that is  dependent on field performances

The telling thing for me is Lai's decision to install a member of his team to replicate our academy in China.
If the UK HC is not going to use the product of the academy, what kind of message does that send to Mr Lai's homeland?
Like you, I cannot see that GL will be happy with perpetual mid table mediocrity, & will want to see year on year improvement
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 21, 2017, 07:11:40 PM
If the owners want to spread our name and make money in China, we need to entertain.
Would you want to watch a foreign club dishing up dross, week after week?
I am sure they wouldn't either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2017, 07:15:40 PM
I dread to think what footballers he's got in mind, a few more Marc wilsons , no matter how good they are when they come to us no doubt he will drain any flair they are blessed with

He's a media darling
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 21, 2017, 07:17:18 PM
Quote from: Mo on May 21, 2017, 07:08:01 PM
Maybe it's just my view but Pulis seems to have a very strong stranglehold on the club .

The owners of the club have got to reign him in on this visit to China and ask serious questions about the  recent results and performances . 

I do wonder though how bothered the Chinese actually are .

I'm really not sure how big a stranglehold Pulis actually has, he talks the Corporate line, but then delivers something entirely different.
I just wonder if John Williams isn't giving him the rope.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ALFABAGGIE on May 21, 2017, 07:27:24 PM
TPs comments after the match made me smile, he said if the last couple of months have shown anything it's we need to defend better and take our chances!  No **** sherlock, he also said we desperately need some leadership at the back... Terry anybody?? Personally I hope not, Same old excuses time after time. Grow some Albion make the change, he was what we needed two and a half years ago but just can't see him pushing us on any further.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on May 21, 2017, 07:48:36 PM
There's no excuse for us not finishing 8th. None whatsoever. Only his negative tactics which leads to poor performances from the players. It must be so demoralizing to play for him if you are attack minded.


I want him out. Always have done since the day we signed him and nothing has changed my mind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 21, 2017, 08:03:59 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on May 21, 2017, 07:48:36 PM
There's no excuse for us not finishing 8th. None whatsoever. Only his negative tactics which leads to poor performances from the players. It must be so demoralizing to play for him if you are attack minded.


I want him out. Always have done since the day we signed him and nothing has changed my mind.
The football the last two months has been awful like early season, lets be honest. As I posted earlier I expect TP to be here next season but I'd like to think the powers that be are looking at options .

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 21, 2017, 08:04:35 PM
Just to speculate here:

Some people in this thread have said Lai wouldn't be happy in mid-table obscurity and would want progress? 
Firstly, based on last season (when I assume his group were monitoring the club/sale) we finished in 16th, so in that sense there is clear progress - 6 places higher and more prize money.

Secondly, who is to say he wouldn't be pleased with mid-table obscurity? For all we know the business model of the club may be to avoid relegation and cash out yearly similar to what Peace was doing previously. It seemed to work for Peace - besides, there's a new TV deal coming from Africa which will pump even more money than before into the league making the money even higher.

I'm not posting this as a pro/anti Pulis piece, but more from the business side of things I don't think it's fair to assume that Lai may be unhappy with Pulis in regards to finishing mid-table. We don't know the financial specifics which I assume will be the main interest of Lai.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2017, 08:10:07 PM
Lai said upon his arrival that things would remain similar to the previous regime.

I have no belief so far that they have any ambition to push the club on any further than where it currently is.

I think they will be happy for us to be a mid-table Premier League side that floats around in the top half.

Let's be realistic - without the mega millions - what else is there for us to achieve?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 21, 2017, 08:13:16 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2017, 08:10:07 PM
Lai said upon his arrival that things would remain similar to the previous regime.

I have no belief so far that they have any ambition to push the club on any further than where it currently is.

I think they will be happy for us to be a mid-table Premier League side that floats around in the top half.

Let's be realistic - without the mega millions - what else is there for us to achieve?

Sadly so. As a business structure, this season has been a roaring success. In the entertainment business, it has been rank awful, but the money men aren't fussed about that, they would gladly see gates of 15,000 each week if we kept the money rolling in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on May 21, 2017, 08:40:26 PM
2 points out of a possible 24 (last 8 games) , speaks volumes. Without results, Pulis teams offer nothing to fans hence why so many are turning on him again tonight. Afraid our scitzofrenic relationship will continue until such a bad run leaves us in the bottom three mid season or until the clubs hierarchy decide a full ground is more important than the realiability of staying up with other Pulis - no time soon then.

Said before.  Pulis overalls has assembled a solid squad , well capable of staying up and well capable of playing better football than we did for most of the season !
Glad for a break watching em for a bit  Tbf - I enjoyed watching about a third of the season overall.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2017, 08:10:07 PM
Lai said upon his arrival that things would remain similar to the previous regime.

I have no belief so far that they have any ambition to push the club on any further than where it currently is.

I think they will be happy for us to be a mid-table Premier League side that floats around in the top half.

Let's be realistic - without the mega millions - what else is there for us to achieve?

The only thing  I can see is deciding to not focus on the league and just make runs on the cups. But then people will want the manager fired when West Brom go out in the quarterfinals of each cup  and we finish 16th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on May 21, 2017, 08:51:19 PM
Are they doing half season - season tickets again next year? If so, can you get one for the first half of the season only? Seems fair as there's no point watching a Pulis team much beyond January!
 :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 21, 2017, 08:52:51 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 08:48:28 PM
The only thing  I can see is deciding to not focus on the league and just make runs on the cups. But then people will want the manager fired when West Brom go out in the quarterfinals of each cup  and we finish 16th.

If we are playing football that isn't awful to watch and induces the desire to gouge your eyes from their sockets, then I doubt they will.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on May 21, 2017, 08:54:02 PM
Exactly. From a business perspective, Tony has achieved his objective (to avoid relegation) and even bettered it, by achieving a relatively high league position for ourselves.

However, for the actual fans, large chunks of the past couple of seasons have been absolute dross. The football has been on the whole very poor, but when you're getting decent results you can actually deal with it as you can enjoy a victory or accept the draw. When it's successive dross performances AND negative results however, the massive cracks show themselves all too clearly.

It doesn't help when thousands upon thousands of people pile in with their new season ticket purchases every year whilst still moaning about the leader of their football team however. Sometimes hitting people/companies in the pocket is the only language they understand. If you don't appreciate the way your team is being run at the time, stop financing it until acceptable changes are forthcoming. Otherwise, don't moan too much when things stay the same.

P.S - I know that money from tickets is not as important as it used to be, but it still has an impact for a club our size and no-one wants their team to play in front of a half empty stadium.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2017, 08:58:45 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 08:48:28 PM
The only thing  I can see is deciding to not focus on the league and just make runs on the cups. But then people will want the manager fired when West Brom go out in the quarterfinals of each cup  and we finish 16th.

You are able to do both...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 21, 2017, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2017, 08:58:45 PM
You are able to do both...

Most of those who support retaining him seem to think not  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 21, 2017, 09:17:07 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2017, 08:58:45 PM
You are able to do both...

You could if you have a big budget and can afford a deep roster. I don't see a non top 6 team in the Premier League who went deep in both cups and did pretty good in the league too this year but I could have missed it.

Southampton made a final but they had the opportunity to have a deeper roster because they had Europa League football to attract players and even they gave up in the FA cup and failed in Europe.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2017, 09:42:55 PM
It's grim on here...


He's just had his best ever season as a Premier League manager.


There won't be a P45 waiting for him in China, it'll be a new 2 year deal. Whether he signs it will depend on how much money they give him to spend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 21, 2017, 09:54:07 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2017, 09:42:55 PM
It's grim on here...


He's just had his best ever season as a Premier League manager.


There won't be a P45 waiting for him in China, it'll be a new 2 year deal. Whether he signs it will depend on how much money they give him to spend.

It's only a reflection on the sh*te we're seeing week in week out.

Not everyone is blinded by the league position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 21, 2017, 09:54:14 PM
Everytime we stay in this league it's been a good season. It's sad but that's the reality of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on May 21, 2017, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2017, 09:42:55 PM
It's grim on here...

He's just had his best ever season as a Premier League manager.

There won't be a P45 waiting for him in China, it'll be a new 2 year deal. Whether he signs it will depend on how much money they give him to spend.

The Business Model under which the Chinese have bought the Club hinges greatly on attracting a "sizeable Chinese following".... that will not and can not happen with the Pulis style of football being played...

So I'm frankly not sure how long he can possibly last.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on May 21, 2017, 09:56:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2017, 09:42:55 PM
He's just had his best ever season as a Premier League manager.

I take issue with that. I preferred his first season up with Stoke. I thought that it was almost genius in the modern game how he got absolutely 100% out of that group of players and managed to stay up, and I really admired him for it in absolute honesty. It was quite entertaining at times to see how people would try to combat their style too.

Now it is just stale and boring with us. He has more resources and a lot more experience in this league. To still be plodding along like this, not showing much of any attacking ambition in a large majority of games is quite simply, very poor. He may keep us up for another boring season or two, but at what cost? Fans falling out of love with their team? Great management indeed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2017, 10:21:23 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2017, 09:42:55 PM
It's grim on here...


He's just had his best ever season as a Premier League manager.


There won't be a P45 waiting for him in China, it'll be a new 2 year deal. Whether he signs it will depend on how much money they give him to spend.

I guess the 5 points in the last 36 or 1 win in the last 12 is behind that.

I do think you're right however in your final paragraph
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on May 21, 2017, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2017, 09:42:55 PM
It's grim on here...


He's just had his best ever season as a Premier League manager.


There won't be a P45 waiting for him in China, it'll be a new 2 year deal. Whether he signs it will depend on how much money they give him to spend.
if this is the case we are in trouble and let's hope the budget offered leads to him resigning. We need to move on and get unity between the club players management and fans. This can not happen under pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on May 21, 2017, 10:29:44 PM
Move onto what exactly...?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2017, 10:34:06 PM
Here is the trade off if you are going to play dull safety first football you have to deliver results, that's the deal. By results I mean better than fans/owners could have possibly hoped for with a more adventurous alternative and frankly if that isn't the case then you have nothing to offer.

It works for other defensive coaches including Mourinho and Benitez it applies to Pulis here. 45 points across a season isn't a miracle it isn't a unique achievement it is about par for the course  i.e 14th +/- 6 points.

As for the cups don't make me laugh we haven't lost to a team that was obviously better than ourselves since he arrived the draws in both cups have been kind to us in the last two seasons. It doesn't take an incredibly deep squad to muster an XI to see off Northampton Town or a much depleted Derby County side at home.

I'm tired of the excuses it is what it is and if you think it's going to change then you are flying in the face of nearly a decades worth of evidence. If you are happy with Pulis you are happy with substance level  football that isn't worth the admission.   

What the ownership makes of it I'm not sure I fear Jacko is right that they are happy with the outcome are far enough removed from the fan base not to be swayed by the growing level of antipathy toward the manager. I doubt he will kick up a fuss if the budget isn't to his liking besides which being relatively poor is his great shield if only he had enough money he would play like Barcelona but alas on our budget it has to be Pulisball it's all we can afford. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 21, 2017, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: mikehy on May 21, 2017, 10:21:52 PM
if this is the case we are in trouble and let's hope the budget offered leads to him resigning. We need to move on and get unity between the club players management and fans. This can not happen under pulis

He won't resign in a million years, he's been ordered to pay 3.7 million to Palace which is nearly 2 years salary (maybe more like 3 or 4 after taxes) so he needs the work. Realistically he probably won't get a bigger salary unless he walks into a relegation scrap and may get relegated/less money, so staying here is the safe option, even if he was unhappy with the budget I doubt he would leave because of this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on May 21, 2017, 10:42:03 PM
Quote from: Aixelsyd on May 21, 2017, 09:55:50 PM
The Business Model under which the Chinese have bought the Club hinges greatly on attracting a "sizeable Chinese following".... that will not and can not happen with the Pulis style of football being played...

So I'm frankly not sure how long he can possibly last.

Lai said he wanted a top ten half finish "In the future " at the start of the season when he took over. You can still see the video for yourself on the clubs YouTube channel. He has got that in his first season of owning the club. He will be delighted. Pulis pretty much guarantees top flight football year after year and whether we like it or not that will please the board. Its very frustrating because us as fans want to see the club push on yet the board seem to be very relaxed and dont seem to have the balls to throw some serious cash at TP in order to push us on (if he is capable of it) I have defended Pulis from the moment he walked through the door. I have had heated debates with people who wanted him to go a good year ago but now after this dire run the past two months i cant defend him anymore. The first year or so of him being in charge we could boast about how good we were at the back and solid we were every week almost. We cant even do that now. We cant score and we cant keep clean sheets. Generally clubs who end the season badly carry that lack of confidence into the following season and unless we get a fair few new faces in prior to next season starting then i fear thats what could happen here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 21, 2017, 10:46:05 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2017, 09:42:55 PM
It's grim on here...


He's just had his best ever season as a Premier League manager.


There won't be a P45 waiting for him in China, it'll be a new 2 year deal. Whether he signs it will depend on how much money they give him to spend.
Spot on Jacko, and that is the only way that TP will go, if the owners don't back him substantially. If they are not prepared to spend and he walks, then god help us with this lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 21, 2017, 10:52:22 PM
I don't care what those that still back this dinosaur think, I want him out. He is never going to change his ways and he cannot be trusted with spending money on quality players in the summer who will likely have their natural abilities coached out of them with his insistence on defensive duties. He is a one trick pony who relies on not conceding and set pieces to get the points. I believe it is 6 points out of the last 12 games which is an appalling return and would see managers sacked at other clubs.

Will the board have the courage to replace him though?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 21, 2017, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on May 21, 2017, 10:46:05 PM
Spot on Jacko, and that is the only way that TP will go, if the owners don't back him substantially. If they are not prepared to spend and he walks, then god help us with this lot.

Walking twice from your last 2 employers due to not giving you the money you expect won't look too great on his CV, Don't think pulis is that stupid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2017, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on May 21, 2017, 10:46:05 PM
Spot on Jacko, and that is the only way that TP will go, if the owners don't back him substantially. If they are not prepared to spend and he walks, then god help us with this lot.

He absolutely won't walk regardless of the budget. I'm not sure his reputation will stand another acrimonious departure over transfers that bolt has been shot at Palace. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 21, 2017, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on May 21, 2017, 10:42:03 PM
Lai said he wanted a top ten half finish "In the future " at the start of the season when he took over. You can still see the video for yourself on the clubs YouTube channel. He has got that in his first season of owning the club. He will be delighted. Pulis pretty much guarantees top flight football year after year and whether we like it or not that will please the board. Its very frustrating because us as fans want to see the club push on yet the board seem to be very relaxed and dont seem to have the balls to throw some serious cash at TP in order to push us on (if he is capable of it) I have defended Pulis from the moment he walked through the door. I have had heated debates with people who wanted him to go a good year ago but now after this dire run the past two months i cant defend him anymore. The first year or so of him being in charge we could boast about how good we were at the back and solid we were every week almost. We cant even do that now. We cant score and we cant keep clean sheets. Generally clubs who end the season badly carry that lack of confidence into the following season and unless we get a fair few new faces in prior to next season starting then i fear thats what could happen here.

While I have some sympathy for your argument, I can't imagine anyone at the club will have been impressed with our performance over the last quarter of the season. & there has to be some question marks over the HC.
I agree, it's unlikely that Pulis will be sacked, but I would be amazed if he didn't have some difficult questions to answer while in China.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 21, 2017, 11:16:27 PM
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Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on May 21, 2017, 11:28:39 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on May 21, 2017, 11:05:15 PM
While I have some sympathy for your argument, I can't imagine anyone at the club will have been impressed with our performance over the last quarter of the season. & there has to be some question marks over the HC.
I agree, it's unlikely that Pulis will be sacked, but I would be amazed if he didn't have some difficult questions to answer while in China.

I dont think he will be asked any difficult questions to answer because he has more than likely exceeded what the club expected of him at the start of the season. In my view all the board see is finances (Budget,Ticket sales etc) and if we have hit yearly targets. I would of snapped your hands off if you offered me tenth at the start of the season yet i cant help but feel really down in the dumps tonight because i know we have missed out on 8th after owning that position from Christmas virtually. Another thing the club need to seriously address is how seriously we take the cups. The fans would of been much happier today if we got to the quarters/Semi final of one of the two domestic cup tournaments but we didnt even come close yet again. I understand the finances that are involved for staying in the league but come on our FA Cup victory came in 1968. If Pulis wants to push Lai to hand over some extra cash i would say i want to match if not better our league position from this season and have a good run at the cups. The main reason we dont do well in the cups is because for the most part our overall squad isnt good enough or strong enough to suststain league status and a cup run. We need more options this summer. Next year i want top ten and a good cup run. TP should use this when discussing summer funds? will he? maybe time will tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on May 22, 2017, 12:52:38 AM
Amazing how this bloke is still in a job.

Never have we had a manager to divide us fans so much.

I would like to ask the supporters of pulis one question, what have you seen in the last 12 games that say he deserves a payrise? we have had probably 3 good performances all season. He is the most under performing manager in the premier league.

he has had two good signings, Allan Nyom & Jonny Evans (dont know how we will keep hold of him), the rest of the money he has spent in the past transfer windows has been terrible.

livermore - average at best
chadli - very inconsistant
rondon - headless chicken
fletcher - gives us what??
robson kanu - wouldnt get in any sunday morning team around here
McClean - headless chicken, no quality
Phillips - injury prone, got potential though


sick of hearing the same old rubbish from pulis, hes like a broken record "we worked 'aard".


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: colinmax on May 22, 2017, 06:25:39 AM
It would possibly help if the Smethwick end chanted we want football instead of There's only one Tony Pullis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 22, 2017, 08:00:01 AM
Quote from: colinmax on May 22, 2017, 06:25:39 AM
It would possibly help if the Smethwick end chanted we want football instead of There's only one Tony Pullis.


cringworthy to say the least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 22, 2017, 08:04:03 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on May 22, 2017, 12:52:38 AM
Amazing how this bloke is still in a job.

Never have we had a manager to divide us fans so much.

I would like to ask the supporters of pulis one question, what have you seen in the last 12 games that say he deserves a payrise? we have had probably 3 good performances all season. He is the most under performing manager in the premier league.

he has had two good signings, Allan Nyom & Jonny Evans (dont know how we will keep hold of him), the rest of the money he has spent in the past transfer windows has been terrible.

livermore - average at best
chadli - very inconsistant
rondon - headless chicken
fletcher - gives us what??
robson kanu - wouldnt get in any sunday morning team around here
McClean - headless chicken, no quality
Phillips - injury prone, got potential though


sick of hearing the same old rubbish from pulis, hes like a broken record "we worked 'aard".


a tad unfair on some of those footballers names you mention when they have to deal with being brainwashed how to play a certain way
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 22, 2017, 08:23:41 AM
Quote from: baggie38 on May 21, 2017, 11:28:39 PM
I dont think he will be asked any difficult questions to answer because he has more than likely exceeded what the club expected of him at the start of the season. In my view all the board see is finances (Budget,Ticket sales etc) and if we have hit yearly targets. I would of snapped your hands off if you offered me tenth at the start of the season yet i cant help but feel really down in the dumps tonight because i know we have missed out on 8th after owning that position from Christmas virtually. Another thing the club need to seriously address is how seriously we take the cups. The fans would of been much happier today if we got to the quarters/Semi final of one of the two domestic cup tournaments but we didnt even come close yet again. I understand the finances that are involved for staying in the league but come on our FA Cup victory came in 1968. If Pulis wants to push Lai to hand over some extra cash i would say i want to match if not better our league position from this season and have a good run at the cups. The main reason we dont do well in the cups is because for the most part our overall squad isnt good enough or strong enough to suststain league status and a cup run. We need more options this summer. Next year i want top ten and a good cup run. TP should use this when discussing summer funds? will he? maybe time will tell.

Sorry, don't agree, I would expect John Williams would want to know why we performed so badly over the last 10 games. Martin Goodman clearly has a brief to increase attendances, & he's not going to do that with a losing team,
I'm not sure they're going to buy the "small squad / tired players" excuse
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on May 22, 2017, 09:04:59 AM
He will get a new contract I think thats a given.

I also think he will be tasked with beating this seasons points total and a cup run of some kind.

If he goes out of the cups early and we struggle next year he will be gone. However if he delivers on both of those then he will have done his job no matter what the style.

Ive been one of his biggest supporters as ive said in the 'After Match Debate' thread but this end of season run has killed me, we were going so well and as others on here and other forums have said once he gets to 40 points his teams tail off. We had a chance to really impress on the league this season and make a real statement of intent. Id like to see him gone personally but think he will be given at least another season here.

He cant complain about not getting a huge budget when his teams do that, no one will invest 50 million into a team to play 65% of a season after reaching the safety net of 40 points.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 22, 2017, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on May 22, 2017, 09:04:59 AM
He will get a new contract I think thats a given.

I also think he will be tasked with beating this seasons points total and a cup run of some kind.

If he goes out of the cups early and we struggle next year he will be gone. However if he delivers on both of those then he will have done his job no matter what the style.

Ive been one of his biggest supporters as ive said in the 'After Match Debate' thread but this end of season run has killed me, we were going so well and as others on here and other forums have said once he gets to 40 points his teams tail off. We had a chance to really impress on the league this season and make a real statement of intent. Id like to see him gone personally but think he will be given at least another season here.

He cant complain about not getting a huge budget when his teams do that, no one will invest 50 million into a team to play 65% of a season after reaching the safety net of 40 points.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on May 22, 2017, 09:17:23 AM
The ageing team is in desperate need of a major overhaul but, judging by the noises coming out of the club so far, we are not going to get it. The best we can hope for next season is mid table mediocrity. I hope the Chinese prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 22, 2017, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on May 22, 2017, 09:04:59 AM
He will get a new contract I think thats a given.

I also think he will be tasked with beating this seasons points total and a cup run of some kind.

If he goes out of the cups early and we struggle next year he will be gone. However if he delivers on both of those then he will have done his job no matter what the style.

Ive been one of his biggest supporters as ive said in the 'After Match Debate' thread but this end of season run has killed me, we were going so well and as others on here and other forums have said once he gets to 40 points his teams tail off. We had a chance to really impress on the league this season and make a real statement of intent. Id like to see him gone personally but think he will be given at least another season here.

He cant complain about not getting a huge budget when his teams do that, no one will invest 50 million into a team to play 65% of a season after reaching the safety net of 40 points.

Agree with your post. I have been pro Pulis in the past, and like many others when we were very comfortable in 8th place and only a few points behind Everton, thought we would push on and go past 50 points with ease - some were even talking about Europe. I would never have believed that the 'on the beach' mentality would happen this year, but it did. So disappointed with our last few games and quite frankly I would not be surprised if quite a few vote with their feet - I wouldn't blame you.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 22, 2017, 10:10:22 AM
Cannot believe the club are not sounding out potential replacements, or that Williams & Lai have not had a conversation about replacing Pulis.
If he does get an extension to his contract, it will only be because suitable replacements are not yet available, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on May 22, 2017, 10:12:09 AM
A very worrying aspect of TP last match  interview was that he said we need improvement at both ends of the pitch, which implied he is content with the midfield !
Seriously ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 22, 2017, 10:30:36 AM
Quote from: BAGGIES4LIFE on May 22, 2017, 10:12:09 AM
A very worrying aspect of TP last match  interview was that he said we need improvement at both ends of the pitch, which implied he is content with the midfield !
Seriously ?

Central midfield is the area we need improvement the most in my opinion.

We ended up 20th for possession in the division

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/6335/Stages/13796/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2016-2017

Partially because of parking the bus most weeks yes, but also partially because our central midfielders aren't good enough.

Before the generic 'It matters what you do with the ball' and 'the only stat that matters is goals scored' comments come out -

Possession has a clear indirect link to both goals scored and more importantly, entertainment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on May 22, 2017, 10:42:29 AM
I find it hard to believe that he is going to China. In any business such failure as has been recently would result in those at the top being sacked. If those in China are top business people then one would think they would conduct their business interests to maximise success. That being the case they should ask pretty serious questions about their investment in the Albion and why the club went from doing quite well to pretty mediocre almost overnight. The answer to that question is pretty well universal, and one with which most agree. That being the case I for one would expect them to begin a cull of those who were responsible for our demise.
The other really annoying thing should TP stay is that we all acknowledge we have an ageing squad but we are continually linked with players such as Terry and Defoe. Lets be realistic they are pretty old and in the long term not going to improve us. Lee Hughes is still playing - perhaps he would come back !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wigmore on May 22, 2017, 10:51:01 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on May 22, 2017, 12:52:38 AM
He is the most under performing manager in the premier league.

Every time I decide to re-enter  sensible internet discussions about WBA, I stumble on tripe like this, and wander off   to find something else to occupy my time...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 22, 2017, 10:53:44 AM
Quote from: M666EYS on May 22, 2017, 12:52:38 AM
Amazing how this bloke is still in a job.

Never have we had a manager to divide us fans so much.

I would like to ask the supporters of pulis one question, what have you seen in the last 12 games that say he deserves a payrise? we have had probably 3 good performances all season. He is the most under performing manager in the premier league.

he has had two good signings, Allan Nyom & Jonny Evans (dont know how we will keep hold of him), the rest of the money he has spent in the past transfer windows has been terrible.

livermore - average at best
chadli - very inconsistant
rondon - headless chicken
fletcher - gives us what??
robson kanu - wouldnt get in any sunday morning team around here
McClean - headless chicken, no quality
Phillips - injury prone, got potential though


sick of hearing the same old rubbish from pulis, hes like a broken record "we worked 'aard".

Come on Fletcher has been a great signing for us, has poor games like many other players but nobody can deny what a great impact he has had especially when he first came.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 22, 2017, 11:18:17 AM
Quote from: Wigmore on May 22, 2017, 10:51:01 AM
Every time I decide to re-enter  sensible internet discussions about WBA, I stumble on tripe like this, and wander off   to find something else to occupy my time...

Well you don't because you commented... feel free to let us know any manager in the premier league who is under acheiving more than him, with a valid reason?

Please take into account how long we were 8th and touching shoulders with the likes of Manchester United and Everton, shed loads of points about the relegation zone.... now we are miles off the 2 teams mentioned and only 5 points about 17th placed watford.

Get rid of him now, give someone positive the money to spend and watch how many fans return to the Hawthorns to watch their beloved team next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 22, 2017, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: Wigmore on May 22, 2017, 10:51:01 AM
Every time I decide to re-enter  sensible internet discussions about WBA, I stumble on tripe like this, and wander off   to find something else to occupy my time...
He has a point. Watford lost their last six matches, we drew one. (Although if you were to look at form over the last 10 matches .....)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 22, 2017, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 22, 2017, 11:31:55 AM
He has a point. Watford lost their last six matches, we drew one. (Although if you were to look at form over the last 10 matches .....)


it was the watford away game that started the concern i seem to recall
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 22, 2017, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 22, 2017, 11:31:55 AM
He has a point. Watford lost their last six matches, we drew one. (Although if you were to look at form over the last 10 matches .....)

What is he meant to achieve? I am not a Pulis fan but he is not the most underachieving as at least 5 managers lost their jobs this year because they weren't doing their job. Also don't you take into consideration the squad, finances etc. Did Mourinho not underachieve finishing 6th with that squad and 25 odd points behind Chelsea.  I am frustrated with the end of the season but it is a "season". On the basis of 10 games Man City would be champions as they were unbeaten for 10 games and top.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on May 22, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
I don't know why people think Pulis even may be leaving. There have been no murmurings or even hints. Pulis is an investors dream and will guarantee survival and therefore TV money, year in, year out.

Survival and top 10 finish... this is as good as it will get barring a cup run on top. Enjoy it. We can only go down from here unless we spend about £200m net.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 22, 2017, 12:40:57 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on May 22, 2017, 12:20:41 PM
What is he meant to achieve? I am not a Pulis fan but he is not the most underachieving as at least 5 managers lost their jobs this year because they weren't doing their job. Also don't you take into consideration the squad, finances etc. Did Mourinho not underachieve finishing 6th with that squad and 25 odd points behind Chelsea.  I am frustrated with the end of the season but it is a "season". On the basis of 10 games Man City would be champions as they were unbeaten for 10 games and top.

Pulis wanted full control, doesn't that suggest that the size of the squad is his decision?
 
Also, I have no sympathy on finances for a man who pulled the plug on an allegedly £20 million acquisition last August. The money was there, he chose not to spend it.

IMO Pulis has had the full support of the FC, we are where we are entirely because of him.

Personally, I thought we might have got a couple of wins out of the last 10 games, & perhaps a couple of draws, so perhaps another 8 points. I would have been delighted with that.
The way we capitulated suggests to me that something isn't right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on May 22, 2017, 12:46:03 PM
My problem with extending Pulis's contract and giving him Final say on transfer targets is this, what happens next season if we lose the first couple of games at home. How long before crowd turns on player's and coach?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 22, 2017, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on May 22, 2017, 12:20:41 PM
What is he meant to achieve? I am not a Pulis fan but he is not the most underachieving as at least 5 managers lost their jobs this year because they weren't doing their job. Also don't you take into consideration the squad, finances etc. Did Mourinho not underachieve finishing 6th with that squad and 25 odd points behind Chelsea.  I am frustrated with the end of the season but it is a "season". On the basis of 10 games Man City would be champions as they were unbeaten for 10 games and top.
I suppose the 5 managers who were sacked should be classed as underachieving ex Premiership managers  ;D

Mourinho is in with a good shout though (although they could still win a European Cup in his first season at Man United?)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 22, 2017, 12:52:23 PM
Quote from: BB74 on May 22, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
I don't know why people think Pulis even may be leaving. There have been no murmurings or even hints. Pulis is an investors dream and will guarantee survival and therefore TV money, year in, year out.

Survival and top 10 finish... this is as good as it will get barring a cup run on top. Enjoy it. We can only go down from here unless we spend about £200m net.

This is NOT as good as it gets, we could be 10th but playing football people WANT to watch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 22, 2017, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: Albionic on May 22, 2017, 12:52:23 PM
This is NOT as good as it gets, we could be 10th but playing football people WANT to watch.


as long as we see entertaining football i would even sacrifice the greed league
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on May 22, 2017, 01:07:54 PM
I had us down as finishing 14th to 17th considering the transfer window and our striker options.

In my opinion we've over achieved - and it could have been even better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on May 22, 2017, 01:13:36 PM
Quote from: Albionic on May 22, 2017, 12:52:23 PM
This is NOT as good as it gets, we could be 10th but playing football people WANT to watch.

Firing Pulis and getting in someone to play sexy football would be too much of a risk for the owners. We all remember the Mowbray seasons. Investors want a return on their money not a loss.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 22, 2017, 01:16:48 PM
Quote from: BB74 on May 22, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
I don't know why people think Pulis even may be leaving. There have been no murmurings or even hints. Pulis is an investors dream and will guarantee survival and therefore TV money, year in, year out.

Survival and top 10 finish... this is as good as it will get barring a cup run on top. Enjoy it. We can only go down from here unless we spend about £200m net.

The guaranteed survival status is ridiculous.

There is no guarantee, just because it hasn't happened yet, don't mean it can't happen.

Nowhere near as good as it can Get, would rather see us lower in the table or even a different league... playing football that's worth watching than seeing us park the bus 38 times a season with the odd disaster to lower league opposition in the early stages of the cup competitions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 22, 2017, 01:26:33 PM
Quote from: BB74 on May 22, 2017, 01:13:36 PM
Firing Pulis and getting in someone to play sexy football would be too much of a risk for the owners. We all remember the Mowbray seasons. Investors want a return on their money not a loss.

I would take a Mowbray season right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 22, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
Two months ago the majority view was that he was doing a great job. There is too much short term thinking here because of the bad run we've been on. Overall it has still been a successful season. Now we must improve the quality of the squad so we can get try and get nearer to the likes of Everton although that will be such a difficult task. We've improved every year with Pulis, if next season doesn't go to plan and we get worse then we can review the situation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie_liam on May 22, 2017, 01:45:51 PM
I'm not going to say I want him gone, I'd just like him to give a bit more freedom to the more creative players and not be so set on rigid. Too many times the forward has been isolated because the midfield is the toes of the defence!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 22, 2017, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 22, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
Two months ago the majority view was that he was doing a great job. There is too much short term thinking here because of the bad run we've been on. Overall it has still been a successful season. Now we must improve the quality of the squad so we can get try and get nearer to the likes of Everton although that will be such a difficult task. We've improved every year with Pulis, if next season doesn't go to plan and we get worse then we can review the situation.


no short term, it happened last season too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on May 22, 2017, 01:49:24 PM
Tony Pulis had a terrible game yesterday. Missed 3 great chances upfront and left the attacker unmarked time after time. His passing is terrible too
FFS we ended disappointingly but overall its been a great season. Up to Feb we were going great. Losing Matty Phillips really cost us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 22, 2017, 01:50:32 PM
Pulis on finishing 10th

"It's unbelievable," he said. "For the smallest squad in the Premier League with one of the smallest budgets to finish tenth in the Premier League is fantastic"

"The disappointing thing is we've had the opportunity to finish as high as eighth.

"I know it sounds greedy but I wanted it for the players more than anything else. They've really worked hard this year."

Hard to disagree with any of that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 22, 2017, 01:59:37 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 22, 2017, 01:04:19 PM

as long as we see entertaining football i would even sacrifice the greed league
I must admit, the longer we have had tp in charge & the overall entertainment has receded, I have questioned what is the point of being in the pl?
All we seem to be interested in is safety first football & survival in the pl at the expense of cup runs, youth development into the first team & some regular actual football being played.
I have never taken to tp & absolutely hated his appointment, although I also accepted that after the debacle of ai, it was a pragmatic, but understandable appointment.
For me, tp has done his job now & done it well. However, in my opinion, he should now be moved on from our club.
The longer tp is in charge, the more we become the stoke city that we all absolutely deplored. The longer tp is ruling transfers, the more we will see the type of dull giants who are drilled to play the tp way & the longer we will take to recover from this strategy.
I have never advocated a gung ho, attack only, sod the defending style of play as is often put forward on here to be laughed at, as the alternative to tp, there is certainly a middle ground which is most definately possible, even with our squad, but with tp in charge, there is absolutely zero evidence of this being the likely trend we can expect. He has had a few terrific performances & results here, at palace & stoke, but these are all the exceptions to the rule.
So, what is the point of being in the prem? Do we as fans accept survival at the expense of better entertainment? Are we content to see the annual 40 points job done & tools down, that has been the absolute standard at every club tp has managed in the prem? Can the tp leopard surprise us & change its spots? Are we now just the plaything of a foreign owner with making money the only priority? Do we even matter anymore as fans?
I seriously question what is the point of wba with the current manager & approach? We are certainly not going to win the pl, we are certainly not going to win a cup & have shown little interest in attempting to play in europe or in bringing through any youth players into regular starters for the club & we are certainly not going to attract new or casual suporters with our brand of football & our almost last/last permanent slot on motd.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 22, 2017, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 22, 2017, 01:50:32 PM
Pulis on finishing 10th

"It's unbelievable," he said. "For the smallest squad in the Premier League with one of the smallest budgets to finish tenth in the Premier League is fantastic"

"The disappointing thing is we've had the opportunity to finish as high as eighth.

"I know it sounds greedy but I wanted it for the players more than anything else. They've really worked hard this year."

Hard to disagree with any of that.


sounds familiar that quote

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 22, 2017, 02:21:56 PM
Stat: West Brom scored 48.8% of their goals from set-pieces this season, the highest proportion of any team in the Premier League.

We scored 43 league goals this season, that would make 21 of them from set pieces. Great as a weapon to have in our arsenal, but it just shows how awful we are moving forward with the ball at our feet.

Yes finishing 10th has been a great success, but is that all we honestly want out of watching our team? Do we not want to see fast, free flowing football and entertainment. I do, and TP is not the man to bring it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 22, 2017, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 22, 2017, 01:50:32 PM
Pulis on finishing 10th

"It's unbelievable," he said. "For the smallest squad in the Premier League with one of the smallest budgets to finish tenth in the Premier League is fantastic"

"The disappointing thing is we've had the opportunity to finish as high as eighth.

"I know it sounds greedy but I wanted it for the players more than anything else. They've really worked hard this year."

Hard to disagree with any of that.
If the players that we had agreed fees with (allegedly?) signed before Pulis pulled the plug for "footballing reasons" would we have the smallest squad and budget? I'm not advocating buying players the coach wouldn't play but don't use something you are responsible for as an excuse to beat the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on May 22, 2017, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on May 22, 2017, 12:50:08 PM
I suppose the 5 managers who were sacked should be classed as underachieving ex Premiership managers  ;D

Mourinho is in with a good shout though (although they could still win a European Cup in his first season at Man United?)

The original comment was "Pulis is the most underachieving manager in the premier league which however you look at it isn't true. Let's start with Moyes...ok argument over. How consistently have west brom finished in the top 10? Other than Hodgson and a season from Clarke we have never been in the top 10.
It's a style over points debate with Pulis for me but to say the most underacheveing is nonsense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 22, 2017, 03:15:26 PM
Quote from: tylerm on May 22, 2017, 01:49:24 PM
Tony Pulis had a terrible game yesterday. Missed 3 great chances upfront and left the attacker unmarked time after time. His passing is terrible too
FFS we ended disappointingly but overall its been a great season. Up to Feb we were going great. Losing Matty Phillips really cost us

That's because he doesn't focus on passing in training by all accounts so if correct he is to blame.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 22, 2017, 04:12:04 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on May 22, 2017, 03:15:26 PM
That's because he doesn't focus on passing in training by all accounts so if correct he is to blame.

Not sure about that, they always do in the warm-up.

TBH I haven't got too much problem with the tactics, it's the motivation that bothers me.

I don't bother listening to his press conferences any more, just don't believe a word he says, & he's so self centred, I'm not convinced he motivates the players either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 22, 2017, 04:29:21 PM
As regards passing.
It must be factored in that the players don't often see a ball in training.
They get to the match and wonder "What is this strange looking round thing"?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dubliner on May 22, 2017, 04:52:14 PM
Just spotted this piece in defence of TP -

http://thepowerofgoals.blogspot.ie/2017/05/tony-pulis-is-not-slacker.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on May 22, 2017, 05:06:20 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 22, 2017, 02:21:56 PM
Stat: West Brom scored 48.8% of their goals from set-pieces this season, the highest proportion of any team in the Premier League.

We scored 43 league goals this season, that would make 21 of them from set pieces. Great as a weapon to have in our arsenal, but it just shows how awful we are moving forward with the ball at our feet.

Yes finishing 10th has been a great success, but is that all we honestly want out of watching our team? Do we not want to see fast, free flowing football and entertainment. I do, and TP is not the man to bring it.

With nothing to back this up, I reckon our reliance on set pieces has got greater as the season has gone in.

Just seems like more and more of our goals come from corners, maybe because we're scoring less overall.

Ultimately, 'a goal is a goal' but a worrying trend to rely so heavily on one type of goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 22, 2017, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: dubliner on May 22, 2017, 04:52:14 PM
Just spotted this piece in defence of TP -

http://thepowerofgoals.blogspot.ie/2017/05/tony-pulis-is-not-slacker.html

Don't recognise this bit
Quote
Seven out of the nine seasons are unremarkable, the two exceptions are the most recent campaigns at WBA, but even these two examples have respectively a 10 and 7% chance to just be random deviations from a bench line estimate of WBA's ability over the season.

And with a raft of sides hovering around WBA's performance expectation for points won going into April, the chances improve that someone, (not necessarily WBA), will appear to tank their season early.

Even if there is something in the tailing off of a Pulis side in two out of nine seasons, evidence must be presented for a possible cause, of which could be plentiful.

Resting players carrying longterm injuries, experimenting with alternative tactical set ups, blooding inexperienced players, seeing your hot and unsustainable production from niche attacking methods regress towards less extreme levels each deserve scrutiny.

The list is nearly endless and almost universally laudable, but Tone giving the lads a breather would be way, way down my list, even if the data supported the claims.....which it doesn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on May 22, 2017, 06:39:24 PM
I can't understand Pulis's thinking, in October/November Pulis clearly was either told or realised that he needed to unleash the chains a little bit as the fans were becoming restless with the negative approach. This resulted in us playing some pretty decent stuff at times and although it was still pragmatic it was at least pretty decent viewing and we had an upturn in results.

For some reason after the Arsenal game he reverted to playing the defensive hoofball against Man United (in which we somehow got a draw without having a decent attempt on goal) and Tony then decided that's how we would approach most games moving forward. The only game in that run where we decided to get it down and play it to the wingers on the break was the Chelsea game in which I thought we deserved at least a point.

Why he reverts to this defensive hoofball when results don't go right is beyond me, clearly it doesn't work results wise and it only frustrates the fans having to watch that rubbish, the players clearly don't enjoying playing it too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 22, 2017, 06:41:17 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on May 22, 2017, 03:09:13 PM
The original comment was "Pulis is the most underachieving manager in the premier league which however you look at it isn't true. Let's start with Moyes...ok argument over. How consistently have west brom finished in the top 10? Other than Hodgson and a season from Clarke we have never been in the top 10.
It's a style over points debate with Pulis for me but to say the most underacheveing is nonsense.

 And this is why I clarified a timescale!  ;)  (and agreed with the poster who questioned the original comment  :D)

For the second half of the season, he may not have been the most underachieving manager but he would have been in strong contention for the accolade.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 22, 2017, 07:59:45 PM
its the youngsters he wont use that bothers me , seasoned pros have been hopeless the last 10 matches. how valuable would the experience have been to Field and Leko .
what's the point in spending millions on the academy if we don't give the kids a chance .Pulis just lies to fans about their usage, numerous occasions where he said they would get more match time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 22, 2017, 08:25:33 PM
The old men kept losing, so why not try youth?
Nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 22, 2017, 09:03:52 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 22, 2017, 07:59:45 PM
its the youngsters he wont use that bothers me , seasoned pros have been hopeless the last 10 matches. how valuable would the experience have been to Field and Leko .
what's the point in spending millions on the academy if we don't give the kids a chance .Pulis just lies to fans about their usage, numerous occasions where he said they would get more match time.

That's what gets to me. I can stand all the negative tactics in the world, if he'd be honest with the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 22, 2017, 09:18:45 PM
here's his reasons for not playing the kids.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/886699213?-11200:789:0
that went well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2017, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 22, 2017, 09:18:45 PM
here's his reasons for not playing the kids.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/886699213?-11200:789:0
that went well.

He managed to achieve the worst of both worlds. The suspicion remains that he doesn't really trust young players and will play just about any other option however out of form or out of position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 22, 2017, 10:01:48 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 22, 2017, 09:18:45 PM
here's his reasons for not playing the kids.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/886699213?-11200:789:0
that went well.

Yeah that's got to inspire confidence in the youngsters..

Ironically we still dropped 2 places and he used the trusted players. If he used the youngsters more over the last lot of games and they proved to do well, we might not have needed the extra £4m for an extra player due to bringing a youngster or two into the first team next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on May 23, 2017, 10:41:47 AM
The bloke is a dinosaur - still cant stand him regardless of where we finished.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on May 23, 2017, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on May 23, 2017, 10:41:47 AM
The bloke is a dinosaur - still cant stand him regardless of where we finished.

Yes. The worst thing for me is how badly the fans are divided now......there's an uncomfortable undercurrent of poisonous vitriol and slagging-off of one another that I'm finding upsetting. This is not the albion I've loved for over 50 years. Pulis out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 23, 2017, 12:31:35 PM
I am losing my pride in being a baggie,
I seem to remember when people asked me who i supported, puffing my chest out and saying west brom with great pride and it seemed that we were a lot of folks 'second team" or at least admired and respected.
Now my perception is that, we are unliked, boring, uncreative, add nothing to the prem,

I hate what we are becoming (Stoke MK2) and remember the labels will stick for a long, long time. How we attract new fans in this environment is beyond me !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on May 23, 2017, 01:27:56 PM
And yet if you read the reports of our season the majority are pretty favourable while also pointing out the poor last third.  For more than half of the season we played some really exciting counterattacking football - that fell away when Phillips got injured.  I hope it will be back next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 23, 2017, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: Albionic on May 23, 2017, 12:31:35 PM
I am losing my pride in being a baggie,
I seem to remember when people asked me who i supported, puffing my chest out and saying west brom with great pride and it seemed that we were a lot of folks 'second team" or at least admired and respected.
Now my perception is that, we are unliked, boring, uncreative, add nothing to the prem,

I hate what we are becoming (Stoke MK2) and remember the labels will stick for a long, long time. How we attract new fans in this environment is beyond me !

That's what I'm feeling these days, agreed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jimmyj on May 23, 2017, 02:22:48 PM
I am utterly despondant about the season.
Silly, because tenth is great. But the manner in which we just gave up on eighth has really annoyed me.
We had eighth before christmas and could really have cemented our grip on that position but we just stopped trying.
In our last thirteen games we lost 10 times, drew twice, won one. That 5 points gaines from a potential 39.
We lost to Watford and Palace. Drew against Burnley. All games that really we should have a very good chance of winning.

Rondon looks like a broken man at the moment, he's had all the enthusiasm and purpose hammered out of him by the appalling philosphy that Pulis had instilled at the club. No wonder he's fluffing his chances, he's probably as surpised as us when he gets one.

Tony Pulis says he wants to play some more youth. So why weren't we playing Leko and Field from the start in the games at the end of the season more?
Tony Pulis says he'd take finishing 14th if it meant a good cup run. So why do we crash out to inferiour (in theory opponents)?

The man is full of it. We finished tenth and stabilised. Wonderful. Now, I'd like him gone and we get someone with a bit of ambition in. Because hitting safety and then treading water for a third of the season after throwing away the cup games is not what football should be about as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 23, 2017, 02:23:10 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 22, 2017, 01:46:24 PM

no short term, it happened last season too

West Brom finished terrible last year and then this year they finish 10 without a threat of relegation from November. So clearly the bad start didn't carry over to the next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 23, 2017, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 23, 2017, 02:23:10 PM
West Brom finished terrible last year and then this year they finish 10 without a threat of relegation from November. So clearly the bad start didn't carry over to the next year.
We were luke warm at best , don't forget that dreadful Boro game live to the nation , Bournemouth away where a fair amount of Albion fans snapped with Pulis and worst of all a pathetic night at Northampton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 23, 2017, 02:59:02 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 23, 2017, 02:23:10 PM
West Brom finished terrible last year and then this year they finish 10 without a threat of relegation from November. So clearly the bad start didn't carry over to the next year.


5 points clear of 17th is where we finished, pathetic end to the campaign like last year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on May 23, 2017, 03:11:39 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on May 23, 2017, 02:23:10 PM
West Brom finished terrible last year and then this year they finish 10 without a threat of relegation from November. So clearly the bad start didn't carry over to the next year.

At the start of November (10 games in) we were just three points clear of the relegation zone. The dreadful end to the season did carry over to the next.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 23, 2017, 03:27:18 PM
Sure we started badly and then played well and then played poorly. I look at the season as a whole and it was good year so it was hard to say that the run last year hurt this year's campaign.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on May 23, 2017, 10:39:44 PM
Maybe TP will take note of his pal Allardyce's decision at Palace and realise he should retire whilst he still has his health?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 23, 2017, 10:54:51 PM
Quote from: wimbledon baggie on May 23, 2017, 10:39:44 PM
Maybe TP will take note of his pal Allardyce's decision at Palace and realise he should retire whilst he still has his health?

His health would take a turn for the worst without or salary and his payments to Palace to make.

Sadly the ball is in our court and we'll do nothing because we always do nothing. Luckily for the club the likes of Jacko, Black Pearl etc are content with end of season placing over week by week entertainment so the discontent won't spill over enough for action to be required.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 24, 2017, 10:10:03 AM
I don't want to get hopes up but Pulis this week almost sounded as though he was putting the feelers out for one day taking on the Cardiff job, - he used to stand on the terraces as a boy 'we've got to get them back in the premier league'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 24, 2017, 10:19:09 AM
Quote from: Adder on May 24, 2017, 10:10:03 AM
I don't want to get hopes up but Pulis this week almost sounded as though he was putting the feelers out for one day taking on the Cardiff job, - he used to stand on the terraces as a boy 'we've got to get them back in the premier league'.


cant see him getting on with there owner. mind you if warnock can anyone can
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 24, 2017, 12:47:06 PM
As bad as the last 3rd been, sacking pulis in the summer would be one of the most crazy decisons in the last 10 years of football. He deserves the summer at least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 24, 2017, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on May 24, 2017, 12:47:06 PM
As bad as the last 3rd been, sacking pulis in the summer would be one of the most crazy decisons in the last 10 years of football. He deserves the summer at least.


thats what worries me the money hes going to waste for someone else having to put right
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 24, 2017, 01:03:16 PM
I don't get why people are still saying that it's his way or relegation.

Bournemouth finished a point and a place above us, with players who aren't exactly big names. But they have a game plan, and they're organised, and they are much better to watch than us.

BTW, I'm not saying go get Howe - he would be out of our reach - but that we might be able to find our own version (Big Dave?).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 24, 2017, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 24, 2017, 10:10:03 AM
I don't want to get hopes up but Pulis this week almost sounded as though he was putting the feelers out for one day taking on the Cardiff job, - he used to stand on the terraces as a boy 'we've got to get them back in the premier league'.

sounds like he was just speaking as a Cardiff supporter to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 24, 2017, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 24, 2017, 01:02:19 PM

thats what worries me the money hes going to waste for someone else having to put right

Pulis has improved us as a team and a league finish every season and even the most anti-pulis fan can deny that.

Look at where we were when he came in and where we are now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 24, 2017, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on May 24, 2017, 01:33:21 PM
Pulis has improved us as a team and a league finish every season and even the most anti-pulis fan can deny that.

Look at where we were when he came in and where we are now.

Probably because he was the first recognised manager we appointed during the period since your namesake left. Clarke, Mel (wrong man wrong time) and Irvine were just a succession of disasters, it wouldn't be difficult to beat their tenures (yes Clarke finished 8th, but once he had dismantled Roy's organisation we barely picked up a point, much like this season).

I don't think anyone is denying that in Pulis we have a safe pair of hands to keep us mid table, but the football is at the point, save for a few weeks of this season, whereby it is has to be worth taking what Pulis fans see as a 'gamble' by looking elsewhere as it would be nice to be entertained at some stage.

I personally do not see it as that much of a gamble if we did our due diligence and appointed a manager who had been thoroughly scouted and we knew what we were getting, we did it in plenty of time and backed him in the market. To see our players be able to pass a ball again would be worth the risk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on May 24, 2017, 02:38:33 PM
There is no denying the end of the season was a disaster, but here is the truth about Pulis. He is one of the best prepared managers in the Premier League (and I think you will find so was Big Sam). He is absolutely confident in his ability to get the points if his teams stick rigidly to his plans. There are a lot of 'hopeful' managers that come and go in the Premier League and it is very easy to spend a lot of money and get relegated. Newcastle and QPR are two examples of reasonably expensively assembled teams in recent times that have gone down, so a change to a manager less proven has to come with risks (of course and potential rewards).

I don't see a great deal of risk in bringing in some better players under Pulis and challenging him to hit some targets. I think worst case he is still going to have us in a safe position and in the position to change managers if we see fit, best case... we climb a few more rungs.
If we bring in another Tim Sherwood (for example) we risk being Aston Villa at Christmas and perhaps it is considered too much risk to invest in January and we are back into the Championship.

Points and position wise we could not have hoped for a much better season, save for the last 7-8 games where we would have expected probably a minimum of another 5-6 points.

I think we give him the money (with obvious limitations) and we bring in another 2-3 quality players (In my mind this exact team gets relegated under any manager if they run around again next season).

Give Pulis his players, make sure they are brought in early, give him till Christmas to hit his targets and see where we are at
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 24, 2017, 03:18:05 PM
Quote from: mateinone on May 24, 2017, 02:38:33 PM
There is no denying the end of the season was a disaster, but here is the truth about Pulis. He is one of the best prepared managers in the Premier League (and I think you will find so was Big Sam). He is absolutely confident in his ability to get the points if his teams stick rigidly to his plans. There are a lot of 'hopeful' managers that come and go in the Premier League and it is very easy to spend a lot of money and get relegated. Newcastle and QPR are two examples of reasonably expensively assembled teams in recent times that have gone down, so a change to a manager less proven has to come with risks (of course and potential rewards).

I don't see a great deal of risk in bringing in some better players under Pulis and challenging him to hit some targets. I think worst case he is still going to have us in a safe position and in the position to change managers if we see fit, best case... we climb a few more rungs.
If we bring in another Tim Sherwood (for example) we risk being Aston Villa at Christmas and perhaps it is considered too much risk to invest in January and we are back into the Championship.

Points and position wise we could not have hoped for a much better season, save for the last 7-8 games where we would have expected probably a minimum of another 5-6 points.

I think we give him the money (with obvious limitations) and we bring in another 2-3 quality players (In my mind this exact team gets relegated under any manager if they run around again next season).

Give Pulis his players, make sure they are brought in early, give him till Christmas to hit his targets and see where we are at
You ,make a very fair point mate but, I don't think many people question his ability to hit his targets, it's the way he goes about it!
If the 2 or 3 players were going to improve the style of play, I would agree wholeheartedly but, deep down, I think we know he will  just bring in players to suit the same tired old philosophy (Livermore / Wilson), or, if they don't they will have to adapt or warm the bench (Chadli)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 24, 2017, 04:42:53 PM
Quote from: mateinone on May 24, 2017, 02:38:33 PM
There is no denying the end of the season was a disaster, but here is the truth about Pulis. He is one of the best prepared managers in the Premier League (and I think you will find so was Big Sam). He is absolutely confident in his ability to get the points if his teams stick rigidly to his plans. There are a lot of 'hopeful' managers that come and go in the Premier League and it is very easy to spend a lot of money and get relegated. Newcastle and QPR are two examples of reasonably expensively assembled teams in recent times that have gone down, so a change to a manager less proven has to come with risks (of course and potential rewards).

I don't see a great deal of risk in bringing in some better players under Pulis and challenging him to hit some targets. I think worst case he is still going to have us in a safe position and in the position to change managers if we see fit, best case... we climb a few more rungs.
If we bring in another Tim Sherwood (for example) we risk being Aston Villa at Christmas and perhaps it is considered too much risk to invest in January and we are back into the Championship.

Points and position wise we could not have hoped for a much better season, save for the last 7-8 games where we would have expected probably a minimum of another 5-6 points.

I think we give him the money (with obvious limitations) and we bring in another 2-3 quality players (In my mind this exact team gets relegated under any manager if they run around again next season).

Give Pulis his players, make sure they are brought in early, give him till Christmas to hit his targets and see where we are at
If it's 40 points we get to sit on the beach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 24, 2017, 05:26:19 PM
Quote from: mateinone on May 24, 2017, 02:38:33 PM
There is no denying the end of the season was a disaster, but here is the truth about Pulis. He is one of the best prepared managers in the Premier League (and I think you will find so was Big Sam). He is absolutely confident in his ability to get the points if his teams stick rigidly to his plans. There are a lot of 'hopeful' managers that come and go in the Premier League and it is very easy to spend a lot of money and get relegated. Newcastle and QPR are two examples of reasonably expensively assembled teams in recent times that have gone down, so a change to a manager less proven has to come with risks (of course and potential rewards).

I don't see a great deal of risk in bringing in some better players under Pulis and challenging him to hit some targets. I think worst case he is still going to have us in a safe position and in the position to change managers if we see fit, best case... we climb a few more rungs.
If we bring in another Tim Sherwood (for example) we risk being Aston Villa at Christmas and perhaps it is considered too much risk to invest in January and we are back into the Championship.

Points and position wise we could not have hoped for a much better season, save for the last 7-8 games where we would have expected probably a minimum of another 5-6 points.

I think we give him the money (with obvious limitations) and we bring in another 2-3 quality players (In my mind this exact team gets relegated under any manager if they run around again next season).

Give Pulis his players, make sure they are brought in early, give him till Christmas to hit his targets and see where we are at
Good post, spot on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 25, 2017, 06:35:46 AM
Give Pulis more money, more time and more players but don't make the mistake of thinking that anything fundamental will change.

Nothing will change between now and Christmas the football will be the same which is largely unwatchable the only thing that will change is the results and where we are in a fairly narrow points range but that is just variance. Across the season we will be within a +/- 6 points of 42 points (average points for 14th) as we have been with all our coaches and all our teams since we returned to the Premier League. If he spends too long in the bottom part of that range he will be fired otherwise until the club wants a different approach then he will carry on.

His football is slowly eroding the fan base in a period where given that we the only West Midlands team in the top tier we should be adding to it. While the early bird offer has encouraged fans to renew so the ticket sales look strong at the moment there are still plenty citing Pulis for not renewing and I suspect we will do well to hold our current numbers. 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 25, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: Standaman on May 25, 2017, 06:35:46 AM
Give Pulis more money, more time and more players but don't make the mistake of thinking that anything fundamental will change.

Nothing will change between now and Christmas the football will be the same which is largely unwatchable the only thing that will change is the results and where we are in a fairly narrow points range but that is just variance. Across the season we will be within a +/- 6 points of 42 points (average points for 14th) as we have been with all our coaches and all our teams since we returned to the Premier League. If he spends too long in the bottom part of that range he will be fired otherwise until the club wants a different approach then he will carry on.

His football is slowly eroding the fan base in a period where given that we the only West Midlands team in the top tier we should be adding to it. While the early bird offer has encouraged fans to renew so the ticket sales look strong at the moment there are still plenty citing Pulis for not renewing and I suspect we will do well to hold our current numbers.


absolutely spot on about all of this
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on May 25, 2017, 06:47:31 PM
I was on a couple of Liverpool forum sites yesterday (just seeing how they were reacting to Man U result!), and a few negative comments about the football tactics comparing Mourinho to Tony Pulis with a chequebook! Also, other comments suggesting we are now the benchmark as a club for playing boring negative football. That really concerns me, as the longer it lasts, fans up and down the country will automatically associate West Brom with boring, negative football. Certainly not one of the reasons I became an Albion fan. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on May 25, 2017, 06:56:52 PM
Quote from: alex1 on May 25, 2017, 06:47:31 PM
I was on a couple of Liverpool forum sites yesterday (just seeing how they were reacting to Man U result!), and a few negative comments about the football tactics comparing Mourinho to Tony Pulis with a chequebook! Also, other comments suggesting we are now the benchmark as a club for playing boring negative football. That really concerns me, as the longer it lasts, fans up and down the country will automatically associate West Brom with boring, negative football. Certainly not one of the reasons I became an Albion fan.

I would agree with the assessment that TP is a poor man's Mourinho. I absolutely felt that way particularly watching the UEL final yesterday. I can tell you that as much WBA as I've watched these last two seasons it pains to me say I still can't bring myself to call me a Baggies fan and that is mostly due to the awful and boring football this team plays under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 25, 2017, 07:55:53 PM
Quote from: alex1 on May 25, 2017, 06:47:31 PM
I was on a couple of Liverpool forum sites yesterday (just seeing how they were reacting to Man U result!), and a few negative comments about the football tactics comparing Mourinho to Tony Pulis with a chequebook! Also, other comments suggesting we are now the benchmark as a club for playing boring negative football. That really concerns me, as the longer it lasts, fans up and down the country will automatically associate West Brom with boring, negative football. Certainly not one of the reasons I became an Albion fan.

I really and genuinely couldn't give a flying naughty word what the supporters of LFC or any other club think about us.

Dare say most supporters of LFC couldn't give a flying naughty word about what I think of their wildly arrogant sh t stink of a Germanic tosser.

naughty word 'em.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 25, 2017, 09:49:04 PM
Cant argue about the boring though.
Do I care about our reputation in the football world Yes I do.
Do I think Pulis should go, yes I do.
Like I've said before some people would sacrifice everything to have a Premiership badge and to achieve that, football does not matter. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ALFABAGGIE on May 25, 2017, 10:51:00 PM
You could give TP absolutely not a penny to spend and he would get you mid table, you could give him 100 million and he would get you.....Mid table, he's just that sort of bloke and of course playing dire, boring unadventurous football at the same time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 25, 2017, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on May 25, 2017, 07:55:53 PM
I really and genuinely couldn't give a flying naughty word what the supporters of LFC or any other club think about us.

Dare say most supporters of LFC couldn't give a flying naughty word about what I think of their wildly arrogant sh t stink of a Germanic tosser.

naughty word 'em.
Agree wholeheartedly Dan, stuff other clubs and the media in general. It has been a very long time since the media and the general "football public" have had any kind words to say about Albion and the style of football here, but as always lets blame it on Pulis. I think some of our supporters worry too much about what others think - feck em' the only thing that matters is what we think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on May 26, 2017, 12:06:05 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on May 25, 2017, 07:55:53 PM
I really and genuinely couldn't give a flying naughty word what the supporters of LFC or any other club think about us.

Dare say most supporters of LFC couldn't give a flying naughty word about what I think of their wildly arrogant sh t stink of a Germanic tosser.



That's a variation on Millwall's famous 'no-one loves us, we don't care' although that was more because of their supporters hooligan  reputation. But I remember the old Leeds side under Revie that brought in alot of gamesmanship, the old FC Wimbledon kick and rush outfit, and then Stoke under Pulis. All had a bad reputation with the wider football public (not talking about local rivalry here), and it takes a long time to shake it off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wappingbaggie on May 26, 2017, 05:30:35 AM
im a pulis supporter on balance but i will never understand why he didnt break leko and field into the side once we were on 40 - its unforgivably bad management
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 26, 2017, 05:56:22 AM
Quote from: alex1 on May 26, 2017, 12:06:05 AM
That's a variation on Millwall's famous 'no-one loves us, we don't care' although that was more because of their supporters hooligan  reputation. But I remember the old Leeds side under Revie that brought in alot of gamesmanship, the old FC Wimbledon kick and rush outfit, and then Stoke under Pulis. All had a bad reputation with the wider football public (not talking about local rivalry here), and it takes a long time to shake it off.

Not as long as it takes to shake of decay and failure after falling from the top table, ask Charlton, Leeds, Blackburn, Bolton, Ipswich, Derby, Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday....................................

Ask their fans if they would swap places, not to mention our West Midlands neighbours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 26, 2017, 06:27:44 AM
So you are happy to watch hoofball every week for the Premiership badge?

I like many used to hate Pulis and his Stoke bandwagon arriving to play did you?

Did you class them a good team or a negative, boring, outfit who sucked all the life out of a game?

Its his style can you not see what we are and aiming for under this man or does it not matter to you as a football fan?   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on May 26, 2017, 07:23:11 AM
It's interesting seeing these complaints about the dire football. I can only think they weren't watching for the entire season.  Where were they when we were banging the goals in and dispatching teams comfortably.

Don't get me wrong, we had some patches where we struggled but we've also played some exciting counter attacking football. It feels like some are desperate to not give the club any credit for this.

I think our squad is too thin really.  As soon as we list Phillips we fell apart. Throw in rondon and chadli's form it's no surprise we didn't finish that well.

I easily saw enough this season to make me think we can push on from here and I'm really look of forward to next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 26, 2017, 07:38:36 AM
well i for one care how other teams see our style of football, i want them all to be in awe of the way we play.
for me i still live in the late seventies im afraid. I gave up my seat of the last 10 years yesterday not just because of the brand mind, sky and travel play there part too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 26, 2017, 08:32:43 AM
On one level I don't much care what supporters of other teams think of us, they support other teams they aren't potential fans so there is nothing much in it for us either way. However the narrative unfortunately is the same one that the loosely affiliated TV fan based home and abroad hears and that does matters to us.

The vast commercial revenues that United enjoy are based on that global fan base most of whom will never set foot in Old Trafford. We have to chisel out a bigger piece of that pie and the new ownership is looking at that as a way to grow the club obviously looking primarily at China.  Pulisball is a tough sell to the neutral I certainly wouldn't be watching games featuring us were it not for the fact that I'm a life long Baggie.

The media irritate me with Pulis. On the one hand to a man they wouldn't pay to watch a Pulis team but indulge him at every turn while trotting out the line "be careful what you wish for" whenever fans criticise his style of play.

 It was the same with Big Sam at West Ham where the fans grew tired of watching his football they ditched him in favour Bilic to mass hand wringing among his media cheering section. You know what it hasn't turned out too badly, West Ham are still in the mid-table mix but that's where their resources put them regardless of coach but the football is at least a bit more entertaining.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 26, 2017, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on May 26, 2017, 07:23:11 AM
It's interesting seeing these complaints about the dire football. I can only think they weren't watching for the entire season.  Where were they when we were banging the goals in and dispatching teams comfortably.

Don't get me wrong, we had some patches where we struggled but we've also played some exciting counter attacking football. It feels like some are desperate to not give the club any credit for this.

I think our squad is too thin really.  As soon as we list Phillips we fell apart. Throw in rondon and chadli's form it's no surprise we didn't finish that well.

I easily saw enough this season to make me think we can push on from here and I'm really look of forward to next season.
That's pretty much it. We played far more long ball under Hodgson and at times under Clarke and this year we have played decent to watch counter attacking stuff in a series of games. The squad is too thin, we need to have competition for places. We need a couple of quality attacking additions - an out and out striker and someone who can play wide and through the middle. The team seemed to lose confidence and belief when Phillips was out as he making things happen and the attack was pretty one dimensional/toothless without him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 26, 2017, 09:35:00 AM
Quote from: Adder on May 26, 2017, 09:12:08 AM
That's pretty much it. We played far more long ball under Hodgson and at times under Clarke and this year we have played decent to watch counter attacking stuff in a series of games. The squad is too thin, we need to have competition for places. We need a couple of quality attacking additions - an out and out striker and someone who can play wide and through the middle. The team seemed to lose confidence and belief when Phillips was out as he making things happen and the attack was pretty one dimensional/toothless without him.

Pretty much the way I see it, Pulis had a huge job to turn our aging and paceless squad around, especially on the budget he has been given, doing okay for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2017, 09:36:51 AM
Quote from: Standaman on May 26, 2017, 08:32:43 AM
On one level I don't much care what supporters of other teams think of us, they support other teams they aren't potential fans so there is nothing much in it for us either way. However the narrative unfortunately is the same one that the loosely affiliated TV fan based home and abroad hears and that does matters to us.

The vast commercial revenues that United enjoy are based on that global fan base most of whom will never set foot in Old Trafford. We have to chisel out a bigger piece of that pie and the new ownership is looking at that as a way to grow the club obviously looking primarily at China.  Pulisball is a tough sell to the neutral I certainly wouldn't be watching games featuring us were it not for the fact that I'm a life long Baggie.

The media irritate me with Pulis. On the one hand to a man they wouldn't pay to watch a Pulis team but indulge him at every turn while trotting out the line "be careful what you wish for" whenever fans criticise his style of play.

 It was the same with Big Sam at West Ham where the fans grew tired of watching his football they ditched him in favour Bilic to mass hand wringing among his media cheering section. You know what it hasn't turned out too badly, West Ham are still in the mid-table mix but that's where their resources put them regardless of coach but the football is at least a bit more entertaining.

To be honest Stan, I don't take too much notice of the media, almost all of of what they say is designed to court controversy anyway.

Personally, the style doesn't worry me too much, it's the results that are important & what we've seen over the last 10 games is poor results.
I'm really not sure why that is, but, for sure, there has been a lack of motivation somewhere, & we've failed to get across the line. I don't expect us to win every game, but a return of around 8 points from a possible 30 would have been acceptable to me, 2 points isn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 26, 2017, 09:38:29 AM
The funny thing is, I don't find the football unwatchable, I find it quite absorbing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 26, 2017, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 26, 2017, 09:38:29 AM
The funny thing is, I don't find the football unwatchable, I find it quite absorbing.

You have strange tastes, my friend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 26, 2017, 09:43:01 AM
it certainly aint football i have been watching
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 26, 2017, 11:30:05 AM
"If i were chairman of a football club Tony Pulis would be my manager" Jose Mourinho
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on May 26, 2017, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 26, 2017, 11:30:05 AM
"If i were chairman of a football club Tony Pulis would be my manager" Jose Mourinho

This quote is looking at it from a purely financial aspect. 95% certain of keeping you up.

I am still adamant i would rather have a dig fight every year, with the chance of going down, than the rubbish we're served now.

Never in my 21 years as a STH (im 27) have i ever been so bored of watching my club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: collins101 on May 26, 2017, 12:29:49 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on May 26, 2017, 12:01:48 PM
This quote is looking at it from a purely financial aspect. 95% certain of keeping you up.

I am still adamant i would rather have a dig fight every year, with the chance of going down, than the rubbish we're served now.

Never in my 21 years as a STH (im 27) have i ever been so bored of watching my club.

Exactly that to be honest. I find it more exciting going to watch Midland Football League match now. I'll attend the odd game but after the start of the season where we barely mustered a shot on target for 3/4 games - no chance
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 26, 2017, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 26, 2017, 11:30:05 AM
"If i were chairman of a football club Tony Pulis would be my manager" Jose Mourinho

I am sure the majority of Old Trafford wouldnt agree
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on May 26, 2017, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 26, 2017, 07:38:36 AM
well i for one care how other teams see our style of football, i want them all to be in awe of the way we play.
for me i still live in the late seventies im afraid. I gave up my seat of the last 10 years yesterday not just because of the brand mind, sky and travel play there part too

How many teams are we in awe of at the minute?  Arsenal? Spurs?  If we had a squad as good as those I'd expect a similar level of quality.  ;D

The thing is, nobody is saying we don't want attractive, free flowing football - I would love it - my goal of the season was the lovely passing move that we did.  To get footballers who can do that, while keeping the club in the Prem is really really difficult - it's so difficult, what other clubs are doing it with a similar budget to ours?

It's just that we have to cut our cloth accordingly and building a team takes time.  We weren't in a good way when Pulis came in, it's arguable that the squad is taking too long to shape - but we are making progress and I think that's the most important thing.   If we stop making progress and our results slip back and we start looking over our shoulder again - then something should be done.

As it is, this season has been one of our most successful seasons - I'm disappointed because we only finished 10th.  To me that shows how far we've come since Irvine.
Personally, I think the club have done enough this year to deserve a bit of time from us. 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on May 26, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 26, 2017, 12:37:46 PM
I am sure the majority of Old Trafford wouldnt agree

I live and work in Manchester, you'll be surprised - a lot weren't happy with the standard of football on display against Ajax.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on May 26, 2017, 05:18:56 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on May 26, 2017, 12:01:48 PM
This quote is looking at it from a purely financial aspect. 95% certain of keeping you up.

I am still adamant i would rather have a dig fight every year, with the chance of going down, than the rubbish we're served now.

Never in my 21 years as a STH (im 27) have i ever been so bored of watching my club.

I look at it this way. I will be there a lot longer than Tony Pulis so its just a blip. I am not giving up my seat as a short term protest against the style of football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 26, 2017, 05:56:17 PM
has he reduced the age of the squad?
has he bought pace to the team?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 26, 2017, 06:55:27 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 26, 2017, 05:56:17 PM
has he reduced the age of the squad?
has he bought pace to the team?

Is he giving the majority of fans what they want to see?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 26, 2017, 06:57:13 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 26, 2017, 06:55:27 PM
Is he giving the majority of fans what they want to see?

Is he hitting his targets every season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 26, 2017, 07:12:42 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on May 26, 2017, 06:57:13 PM
Is he hitting his targets every season?

I can't speak for everyone on this... and I know many wont agree...

But to be quite honest I couldn't give a toss about his targets, they benefit me in no way at all and that excuse from a fans point of view is ridiculous, from a business point of view... understandable. Considering the club isn't a business of any of ours or making us any money... why does it matter to you personally if Pulis has hit his targets? what have you gained from it?

We pay to be entertained and as it stands, there is not much entertaining.

Can you honestly say, you have gave up your time and hard earned cash... left the ground each week and been happy about what you have seen?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on May 26, 2017, 07:51:09 PM
Isn't football all about opinions and perceptions?

For me, we have had a really disappointing finish to the season, but we were picking up points easily half way through, where perhaps we shouldn't have done?

What fan base of any club is entirely happy with what is on offer at their club?
I would wager that every club in England has a "negative" element - even Chelsea!?!

Talking to a Leicester fan with 10 games to go, we both agreed that if we didn't hit the 50 point mark, then the season would be disappointing?!?

Leicester, on the other hand, were happy with a CL quarter final and to avoid relegation - and they are the defending PL champions FFS!!!

Talking Pulis, now the Clayheads have got their wish and got rid of the "dinosaur" (who got them to an FA cup final and into Europe) have they really progressed and gone to the next level? - I think not!

Personally, I would much prefer to grind it out in the PL than to grind it out in the slog that is the Championship...!

Pulis has showed that his teams can play since he's been here - but free flowing football is pointless if you cannot defend your own goal - let's see where we are after the Summer?

COYB  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2017, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on May 26, 2017, 06:57:13 PM
Is he hitting his targets every season?

Did we have a run in the League Cup? - NO

Did we have a run in the FA Cup? - NO

Did we finish in the top 10 - Just, on goal difference
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on May 26, 2017, 07:59:58 PM
God help the 10 teams below us then... ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 26, 2017, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 26, 2017, 07:12:42 PM
I can't speak for everyone on this... and I know many wont agree...

But to be quite honest I couldn't give a toss about his targets, they benefit me in no way at all and that excuse from a fans point of view is ridiculous, from a business point of view... understandable. Considering the club isn't a business of any of ours or making us any money... why does it matter to you personally if Pulis has hit his targets? what have you gained from it?

We pay to be entertained and as it stands, there is not much entertaining.

Can you honestly say, you have gave up your time and hard earned cash... left the ground each week and been happy about what you have seen?

I didn't say it mattered to me. I was asking the question as it clearly matters to the decision makers at the club, hence he won't be replaced anytime soon.

And to be honest I don't pay to be entertained, I pay to watch a game of football played by the team I support.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 26, 2017, 08:12:52 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on May 26, 2017, 07:55:37 PM
Did we have a run in the League Cup? - NO

Did we have a run in the FA Cup? - NO

Did we finish in the top 10 - Just, on goal difference

Were any of those his targets though? I imagine it was to keep us in the premier league.

As much as we care about the cups and finishing high up, it doesn't make much difference to the owners, who lets be honest, had probably never heard of West Brom before they took over and are looking for a business opportunity. Staying in the league each year ensures the money keeps rolling in. Getting to the quarters of the cups means pretty little from a business point of view, although I will say that Pulis did put strong teams out this year and they still didn't do the business on the pitch in the cups, so blame can't really be solely put on him for that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 26, 2017, 09:33:24 PM
pity that the clubs target is about the money by staying in the prem.
remember when the target was to actually try and win something.
seen us lose in the QF of the uefa cup, seen us lose 4 cup semi finals, but always had hope we would win a cup in my lifetime. that hope diminishes with each year now where money is king.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 26, 2017, 10:02:37 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on May 26, 2017, 07:55:37 PM
Did we have a run in the League Cup? - NO

Did we have a run in the FA Cup? - NO

Did we finish in the top 10 - Just, on goal difference
The new owners and John Williams weren't even in place at the time we went out of the league cup so you can scrub that one. When these targets were first mentioned, I took it as what the new ownership were looking at in the short term.... as in next 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 26, 2017, 10:38:51 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on May 26, 2017, 07:51:09 PM
Isn't football all about opinions and perceptions?

For me, we have had a really disappointing finish to the season, but we were picking up points easily half way through, where perhaps we shouldn't have done?

What fan base of any club is entirely happy with what is on offer at their club?
I would wager that every club in England has a "negative" element - even Chelsea!?!

Talking to a Leicester fan with 10 games to go, we both agreed that if we didn't hit the 50 point mark, then the season would be disappointing?!?

Leicester, on the other hand, were happy with a CL quarter final and to avoid relegation - and they are the defending PL champions FFS!!!

Talking Pulis, now the Clayheads have got their wish and got rid of the "dinosaur" (who got them to an FA cup final and into Europe) have they really progressed and gone to the next level? - I think not!

Personally, I would much prefer to grind it out in the PL than to grind it out in the slog that is the Championship...!

Pulis has showed that his teams can play since he's been here - but free flowing football is pointless if you cannot defend your own goal - let's see where we are after the Summer?

COYB  8)
Whilst I am no fan of mark hughes, he has been evolving their team to be a more attractive & attacking & in entertainment terms, they have most certainly progressed. The task he has, is to take an existing group of players who had been brought in by tp over many years, to suit a certain, very pragmatic & direct way of playing under tp & improve the football. You can't just flip a switch & change that overnight with the same players which is why there has been a lot of Money spent at stoke since Hughes took over.
This is a concern I have with tp staying at our club. The longer he is here & controlling the style of play & type of players to suit that style of play, the longer it will take to change it to a better brand of football eventually when tp moves on.
Its an argument of results over style. With tp, you get an overall result, but at the expense of style. Tp has managed a direct pragmatic style throughout his career & we will not see a great football epiphany at west brom any time soon.
At the end of the day, you either accept it or you don't. In all honestly, I just can't accept it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 27, 2017, 12:34:18 AM
Quote from: Manc Baggie on May 26, 2017, 10:38:51 PM
Whilst I am no fan of mark hughes, he has been evolving their team to be a more attractive & attacking & in entertainment terms, they have most certainly progressed. The task he has, is to take an existing group of players who had been brought in by tp over many years, to suit a certain, very pragmatic & direct way of playing under tp & improve the football. You can't just flip a switch & change that overnight with the same players which is why there has been a lot of Money spent at stoke since Hughes took over.
This is a concern I have with tp staying at our club. The longer he is here & controlling the style of play & type of players to suit that style of play, the longer it will take to change it to a better brand of football eventually when tp moves on.
Its an argument of results over style. With tp, you get an overall result, but at the expense of style. Tp has managed a direct pragmatic style throughout his career & we will not see a great football epiphany at west brom any time soon.
At the end of the day, you either accept it or you don't. In all honestly, I just can't accept it.


Can't wait until Stokelad gets his teeth into all that nonsense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on May 27, 2017, 07:40:32 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 26, 2017, 09:33:24 PM
pity that the clubs target is about the money by staying in the prem.
remember when the target was to actually try and win something.
seen us lose in the QF of the uefa cup, seen us lose 4 cup semi finals, but always had hope we would win a cup in my lifetime. that hope diminishes with each year now where money is king.

Those days are gone now, for most clubs.  The game is money orientated now unfortunately.

The best way of winning something is by getting a team together who is good enough.  You do that by... bringing in money regularly and building the squad up. It takes time.

We went backwards after Hodgson and I'd say we aren't even quite back at that level yet.

Unless by winning something you'd be happy dropping down a few leagues and picking up a sherpa van trophy or something. I prefer seeing us compete in the top league.

If you look at the last 20+ years of fa cup winners. it's the top 6 that's won it all but a couple of times.  It's tough to win a cup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 27, 2017, 10:12:15 AM
Quote from: Manc Baggie on May 26, 2017, 10:38:51 PM
Whilst I am no fan of mark hughes, he has been evolving their team to be a more attractive & attacking & in entertainment terms, they have most certainly progressed. The task he has, is to take an existing group of players who had been brought in by tp over many years, to suit a certain, very pragmatic & direct way of playing under tp & improve the football. You can't just flip a switch & change that overnight with the same players which is why there has been a lot of Money spent at stoke since Hughes took over.
This is a concern I have with tp staying at our club. The longer he is here & controlling the style of play & type of players to suit that style of play, the longer it will take to change it to a better brand of football eventually when tp moves on.
Its an argument of results over style. With tp, you get an overall result, but at the expense of style. Tp has managed a direct pragmatic style throughout his career & we will not see a great football epiphany at west brom any time soon.
At the end of the day, you either accept it or you don't. In all honestly, I just can't accept it.

The majority of Stoke fans are fed up of Hughes and want him out so he can't be doing that well!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 27, 2017, 10:12:57 AM
Quote from: Manc Baggie on May 26, 2017, 10:38:51 PM
Whilst I am no fan of mark hughes, he has been evolving their team to be a more attractive & attacking & in entertainment terms, they have most certainly progressed. The task he has, is to take an existing group of players who had been brought in by tp over many years, to suit a certain, very pragmatic & direct way of playing under tp & improve the football. You can't just flip a switch & change that overnight with the same players which is why there has been a lot of Money spent at stoke since Hughes took over.
This is a concern I have with tp staying at our club. The longer he is here & controlling the style of play & type of players to suit that style of play, the longer it will take to change it to a better brand of football eventually when tp moves on.
Its an argument of results over style. With tp, you get an overall result, but at the expense of style. Tp has managed a direct pragmatic style throughout his career & we will not see a great football epiphany at west brom any time soon.
At the end of the day, you either accept it or you don't. In all honestly, I just can't accept it.
You mention the type of players that TP brings in....but Phillips and Chadli could play in different styles, he's not just bringing in lumps who can run fast. Some people might well have Deeney down as a lump and a battering ram but that would be based more on his appearance than the actual way he plays.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on May 27, 2017, 10:15:30 AM
It's going to crack me up when we do get a new manager whenever that may be and if he is under performing then Pulis will still be getting the blame ;D  ;D

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on May 27, 2017, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: leeiswba on May 27, 2017, 10:15:30 AM
It's going to crack me up when we do get a new manager whenever that may be and if he is under performing then Pulis will still be getting the blame ;D  ;D

I can see exactly that happening. Even any future relegations will get blamed on Pulis.

'That dinosaur has left us aging deadwood which will take years to sort out'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on May 27, 2017, 11:14:22 AM
Course it will because to me I can't see anyone else to blame except for the unrealistic fans if the times article is true that he is considering his future because of the crititism he is receiving.

Obviously I hope if he does go we bring someone in who can achieve top half finishes and cup runs but if we end up flirting with relegation or god forbid actual relegation these fans will be the same ones moaning.

Seeing statements like I would rather be in the championship playing nice football are an absolute joke. From November to March is some of the best football we have played in the Premiership but that is ignored, if we are going to judge managers on 9 games then we will never have a manager here longer than a year or 2 as a team like us will always have bad spells.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 27, 2017, 11:53:31 AM
He's obviously not going to jump ship unless he has another job to go straight into,
The article also suggests that he's waiting to see what offers come in from elsewhere before signing his contract extension.


Also in the brum mail
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-13101324
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2017, 12:15:55 PM
" He won't resign and is waiting for approaches from other clubs" 

I think we can rule Crystal Palace out and Watford seem to be close to agreeing a deal with Marco Silva. Whole host of Championship clubs without managers 'Boro, Leeds, Sunderland and Hull can't see him going to any of those not sure where the offers are going to come from. So not getting my hopes up. If he is about to bugger off can he get a move on before he saddles us with Deeney.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on May 27, 2017, 12:23:32 PM
I'll happily drive him to any interviews he may have
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 27, 2017, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 27, 2017, 12:15:55 PM
" He won't resign and is waiting for approaches from other clubs" 

I think we can rule Crystal Palace out and Watford seem to be close to agreeing a deal with Marco Silva. Whole host of Championship clubs without managers 'Boro, Leeds, Sunderland and Hull can't see him going to any of those not sure where the offers are going to come from. So not getting my hopes up. If he is about to bugger off can he get a move on before he saddles us with Deeney.

I would imagine that the board would need his commitment on his contract before allowing him to spend any transfer funds and then having him leave
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 27, 2017, 12:44:31 PM
If that is true then I think we can be sure he isn't being offered the money he wants here whether that's to do with transfers or the potential new contract of his own. When it comes to other jobs he's probably hoping Coleman gets the urge to jump back into club management so he can go for the Wales job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on May 27, 2017, 12:50:52 PM
Well he has come back from China so he obviously has not been sacked. Do people think he will walk out?. He has done it before and look what it cost him. Has he paid back all of the £3m + he owes Palace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on May 27, 2017, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: gerry m on May 27, 2017, 12:50:52 PM
Well he has come back from China so he obviously has not been sacked. Do people think he will walk out?. He has done it before and look what it cost him. Has he paid back all of the £3m + he owes Palace.
i dont think so yet as hes appealing the descision i believe
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on May 27, 2017, 01:19:32 PM
One consolation if Pulis does leave is that we will hopefully not purse that fat lump from Watford
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on May 27, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
We will know Pulis is going nowhere when Fletcher signs his new deal .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on May 27, 2017, 02:22:11 PM
Quote from: Mo on May 27, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
We will know Pulis is going nowhere when Fletcher signs his new deal .

I'd sooner Fletcher take the managers job than a midfield role.
He was Fergusons love child so must surely have picked up some management skills along the way
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2017, 02:42:42 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on May 27, 2017, 02:22:11 PM
I'd sooner Fletcher take the managers job than a midfield role.
He was Fergusons love child so must surely have picked up some management skills along the way

People have been saying that for generations of ex-united players being coached by a legend doesn't turn you into a good coach in point of fact the opposite seems to be the case.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 27, 2017, 02:43:27 PM
What happened to this tough skin Pulis who didn't care what the fans say about him as everyone is entitled to their opinion and not everyone will like you? (that's been his attitude previously, also shown that by disrespecting our fans because they have an opinion but don't go to games).

maybe the meeting in china didn't go as he expected for him to be happy to consider offers from other clubs... and if he is happy to consider offers to leave, get rid now as he obviously ain't too fussed about being here.

We go on about attitude and getting the right people in the club who want to be there, anyone who would be happy to leave... many fans are calling for their heads... pulis obviously don't give a damn yet there are some people that still defend him? (unless it's just BS rumors from the media of course).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on May 27, 2017, 03:13:22 PM
Really hope he does go. Can't stand the man and his football. Let me know if you need a lift anywhere Tony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 27, 2017, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on May 27, 2017, 03:13:22 PM
Really hope he does go. Can't stand the man and his football. Let me know if you need a lift anywhere Tony.

You'll be waiting in a queue!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 27, 2017, 03:17:41 PM
Wales job if Coleman goes to Palace ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 27, 2017, 03:29:25 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on May 27, 2017, 11:14:22 AM
Course it will because to me I can't see anyone else to blame except for the unrealistic fans if the times article is true that he is considering his future because of the crititism he is receiving.

Obviously I hope if he does go we bring someone in who can achieve top half finishes and cup runs but if we end up flirting with relegation or god forbid actual relegation these fans will be the same ones moaning.

Seeing statements like I would rather be in the championship playing nice football are an absolute joke. From November to March is some of the best football we have played in the Premiership but that is ignored, if we are going to judge managers on 9 games then we will never have a manager here longer than a year or 2 as a team like us will always have bad spells.
I agree - Pulis will realise that we have to get back to that standard of play (people might not like him but he's not stupid). JW and the owners will also want us to get back to that standard of play. Our supporters should be able to appreciate the effect that losing Phillips had. They should also be able to see that we had several jaded/ageing players in the team due to lack of depth.
With some decent reinforcements, we should be able to get back to that standard of play and we have a better chance of doing it for a sustained period of time with Pulis than potential new managers with a lot less experience and knowledge of this league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on May 27, 2017, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on May 27, 2017, 01:13:39 PM
i dont think so yet as hes appealing the descision i believe

Ok thanks barnestormer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 27, 2017, 03:40:51 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 27, 2017, 03:17:41 PM
Wales job if Coleman goes to Palace ?
He can make more money in club management than he can with Wales. He could sit back for 3 or 4 months and then name his price when clubs in trouble come knocking come November time.
I think international management involves too much time sat on your backside for TP just yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 27, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
I don't remember our standard of play being significantly better/good between November-March than before or after.

The results were essentially better because we scored a a lot of goals from set pieces in that spell and Foster made a lot of great saves to help close out wins.

We still ended up 20th in possession, 20th in passes and 16th in shots over the course of the 38 game season so if it really was some of the 'best football we've seen in the premiership' it surely would have dragged these statistics up.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on May 27, 2017, 04:33:57 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on May 27, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
I don't remember our standard of play being significantly better/good between November-March than before or after.

The results were essentially better because we scored a a lot of goals from set pieces in that spell and Foster made a lot of great saves to help close out wins.

We still ended up 20th in possession, 20th in passes and 16th in shots over the course of the 38 game season so if it really was some of the 'best football we've seen in the premiership' it surely would have dragged these statistics up.
Yes and those stats are reflective of the quality of the players we have and not the way Pulis asks them to play. He doesn't ask them not to pass to each other or for Rondon to never to hold the ball up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on May 27, 2017, 04:40:31 PM
Like normal, you can discuss wanting to get rid of Pulis but while he is still manager, we don't allow talk of potential replacements.

Any posts will be removed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 27, 2017, 04:46:08 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on May 27, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
I don't remember our standard of play being significantly better/good between November-March than before or after.

The results were essentially better because we scored a a lot of goals from set pieces in that spell and Foster made a lot of great saves to help close out wins.

We still ended up 20th in possession, 20th in passes and 16th in shots over the course of the 38 game season so if it really was some of the 'best football we've seen in the premiership' it surely would have dragged these statistics up.
I haven't checked the figures but I think that in that Nov-March period, Phillips scored approx. 4, so did Chadli, so did Morrison, so did Rondon. Aside from Chadli's penalty and Rondon's one header against Swansea, none of these were set pieces.
Regarding 'some of the best football seen in the premiership' well if that period wasn't then what was ? Hodgson we had two games v Sunderland + Wolves where we scored 9 but overall the football was far from exciting. We had patches under Clarke when of course we had Lukaku, Long and Odemwingie in the strike force.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 27, 2017, 05:01:18 PM
Hopefully he will make his mind up quickly then we can move on.

Dead wood needs clearing out and a lot of work needed to be done with rebuilding the team for next season.

I hope he is gone by Monday evening and thank you for your efforts Tony.

Never fear the future, look to it. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on May 27, 2017, 05:08:29 PM
People dont honestly believe this story do they? This is nearly as bad as the Troy Deeney story yesterday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 27, 2017, 05:29:38 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on May 27, 2017, 05:08:29 PM
People dont honestly believe this story do they? This is nearly as bad as the Troy Deeney story yesterday.
Well there have been several reports linking us with Deeney, not just yesterday. You might know otherwise in which case feel free to tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 27, 2017, 05:40:12 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 27, 2017, 02:43:27 PM
What happened to this tough skin Pulis who didn't care what the fans say about him as everyone is entitled to their opinion and not everyone will like you? (that's been his attitude previously, also shown that by disrespecting our fans because they have an opinion but don't go to games).

maybe the meeting in china didn't go as he expected for him to be happy to consider offers from other clubs... and if he is happy to consider offers to leave, get rid now as he obviously ain't too fussed about being here.

We go on about attitude and getting the right people in the club who want to be there, anyone who would be happy to leave... many fans are calling for their heads... pulis obviously don't give a damn yet there are some people that still defend him? (unless it's just BS rumors from the media of course).

Pulis plays the media like a fiddle (bit like Redknapp in that respect).

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 27, 2017, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: bry on May 27, 2017, 04:33:57 PM
Yes and those stats are reflective of the quality of the players we have and not the way Pulis asks them to play. He doesn't ask them not to pass to each other or for Rondon to never to hold the ball up.

I don't recall the stats reflecting this before he arrived? The players are the same.... apart from the ones he brought in? And as a coach, he may not ask them to not pass to each other or for Rondon to never hold the ball up but surely his role is actually to make them better at it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2017, 06:00:49 PM
There is no argument Pulis just bolts together a unit with the emphasis on defence. He doesn't develop players they either do what he needs or they don't. The purple patch which was probably Pulis' best run as a Premier League manager was built on a freakishly high conversion rate but tactically nothing much changed and the shots per 90 numbers hovered around 10 which is more normally associated with a team that is relegated than one that finishes mid-table and critically did not alter from his first full season at the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on May 27, 2017, 07:49:10 PM
There is absolutely no way that he wants to leave due to fan criticism.

If he does want to leave it is because he is either not happy with the contract on the table or not happy with the funds on offer.

Given his past he can't publicly state either of those as reasons as to why he will leave as will dampen his future stock.

Alternatively he could be going down the better contract for himself route.

I don't think I I mind if he stays or goes but you can't deny all of his interviews/press leaks are with one thing in mind, himself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on May 27, 2017, 08:08:16 PM
This story couldnt be any further from the truth as things stand. Pulis is very thick skinned i would say fans have been widley being critical of him for around a year and a half now. So for the Mail to write such a stupid article is beyond me. The Albion journalist should know this and not make up such a far fetched stupid or especially a stupid sort of reasoning as to why he would want to leave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on May 27, 2017, 08:18:40 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 27, 2017, 05:29:38 PM
Well there have been several reports linking us with Deeney, not just yesterday. You might know otherwise in which case feel free to tell.

Im not talking about being linked with Deeney im talking about the quoted figure in which the media were insisting we would have to pay.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 27, 2017, 08:20:19 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on May 27, 2017, 05:08:29 PM
People dont honestly believe this story do they? This is nearly as bad as the Troy Deeney story yesterday.

I think it's a case of wishful thinking on the half of some as opposed to any actual widespread belief.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 27, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on May 27, 2017, 08:08:16 PM
This story couldnt be any further from the truth as things stand. Pulis is very thick skinned i would say fans have been widley being critical of him for around a year and a half now. So for the Mail to write such a stupid article is beyond me. The Albion journalist should know this and not make up such a far fetched stupid or especially a stupid sort of reasoning as to why he would want to leave.
I could be wrong but it seemed to appear in the Times first then the Mail followed up on it. It tends to happen sometimes as with the John Percy transfer news in the Telegraph, he seems to get it first then the Mail follow in with it.
Anyway, time will tell I guess, as you say there's probably nothing in this but the media scavenge for stories at this time of year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on May 27, 2017, 08:55:46 PM
He may be motivated by money (surely not? ) Quite a few jobs about that would pay him well to either get clubs up, or keep them up, and he would be seen as a success and he would not have to veer away from plan A.
Personally think he is someone who should have a short shelf life at any club, do a bit of a rescue act and then move on. For me he has been here far too long, and the news of his unrest, true or not, is the most refreshing bit of news I have seen for a while. I think the club may be surprised by the volume of enthusiasm that may return if he went. You don't achieve anything by not taking risks. We may have a relegation battle, we may not. We may win a cup or at least have a good run. Current situation achieves nothing for the fans, unless the majority are accountants who like to look at the balance sheet every week. Entertainment and a good reputation amongst the rest of the footballing world would get my vote.l
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 27, 2017, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 27, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
I could be wrong but it seemed to appear in the Times first then the Mail followed up on it. It tends to happen sometimes as with the John Percy transfer news in the Telegraph, he seems to get it first then the Mail follow in with it.
Anyway, time will tell I guess, as you say there's probably nothing in this but the media scavenge for stories at this time of year.

His twitter account has been a bit quiet of late.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 27, 2017, 09:14:35 PM
I would think the Leeds berth would be very attractive, but it's quite a long way from Sandbanks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 27, 2017, 09:30:18 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 27, 2017, 06:00:49 PM
There is no argument Pulis just bolts together a unit with the emphasis on defence. He doesn't develop players they either do what he needs or they don't. The purple patch which was probably Pulis' best run as a Premier League manager was built on a freakishly high conversion rate but tactically nothing much changed and the shots per 90 numbers hovered around 10 which is more normally associated with a team that is relegated than one that finishes mid-table and critically did not alter from his first full season at the club.
That purple patch also coincided with our better attacking players being fit and in form, which tends to follow. A couple of good additions giving us more depth will give us a good chance of doing that more consistently - that's the positive way of looking at it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 27, 2017, 10:06:46 PM
Quote from: MarkW on May 27, 2017, 04:40:31 PM
Like normal, you can discuss wanting to get rid of Pulis but while he is still manager, we don't allow talk of potential replacements.

Any posts will be removed

Damn. I was just about to say............. [CENSORED]  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on May 27, 2017, 11:06:58 PM
If he ain't 100 percent committed to the club he can do one now . Not the eve of the new season like he did at palace .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on May 27, 2017, 11:09:52 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on May 27, 2017, 11:06:58 PM
If he ain't 100 percent committed to the club he can do one now . Not the eve of the new season like he did at palace .

Pulis wont be going anywhere anytime soon. I was told earlier today that the story is complete tosh by my ever reliable mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on May 27, 2017, 11:14:06 PM
Ok mate cheers . I do believe he will be in charge when the season starts . Take it papers didn't have anything to write .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on May 27, 2017, 11:59:18 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on May 27, 2017, 11:09:52 PM
Pulis wont be going anywhere anytime soon. I was told earlier today that the story is complete tosh by my ever reliable mate.

Thank the baggie 38
Appreciate your insider knowledge
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 12:16:20 AM
Quote from: baggie38 on May 27, 2017, 11:09:52 PM
Pulis wont be going anywhere anytime soon. I was told earlier today that the story is complete tosh by my ever reliable mate.

Unless he is considering it and hasn't made a decision yet of course, if he don't know himself then no one else will have a clue.  ;D (just abit of wishful thinking)  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on May 28, 2017, 01:09:05 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 12:16:20 AM
Unless he is considering it and hasn't made a decision yet of course, if he don't know himself then no one else will have a clue.  ;D (just abit of wishful thinking)  ;)

Im on the fence with Pulis i admire the job he has done and how he has got us out of the terrible Irvine/Mel era yet his tactics and style of football annoy me. The board wont remove Pulis from his position aslong as we are stable and keep pushing for midtable . Its the same sort of thing thats happening at Arsenal. The board at Arsenal wont sack Wenger because excluding this season he has delivered top 4 year after year thus bringing in the money from qualifying for the champions league and all that money they receive for finishing so high in the table. Pulis all but guarantees the premier league money year after year. From a fans point of view its frustrating we are just settling for this now we are established and have a good set of core players and should be looking forward to a new season but instead im just nervous whether or not we will do what we need to do (knowing us we will fall short somewhere) my only concern with the day Pulis leaves whenever that will be is who will replace him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 28, 2017, 08:22:59 AM
Pulis is no guarantee against relegation. On many occasions both here and at Stoke there has been extended periods of relegation form there is nothing to say the next one doesn't last long enough to take a team down. In which case we are enduring the football for no gain at all.

The ownership will hang onto the comfort blanket that is Pulis until the stands are empty or it's ripped from their cold dead hands by the relegation that Pulis is supposed to protect us from. The bottom half of this division is so tight that relegation is possibility for any club that finished 8th or lower. We won't be here forever so let's at least put on a bit of a show while we are here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 28, 2017, 09:04:23 AM
http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/268814/pulis-considering-wba-future
The take on the current situation on the oatcake, some comments are mirrors of the comments here
Makes an interesting Sunday morning read 
My particular favourites

Wonder if the dinosaur is saying this cause he fancies the Wales job should Coleman leave? Imagine Wales under him, formation 6-3-1 bale upfront and punting it forward for bale to chase..

Maybe he's just unlucky. At Stoke he had a bunch of players who couldn't pass to their own man to save their lives. Go onto the West Brom forums, and bugger me, their players can't either. How unlucky is that?!?!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on May 28, 2017, 11:37:27 AM
Honestly I doubt there's many options for him right now. There's no Premier League clubs without a manager (other than Palace...and he's not going there for obvious reasons) so realistically he could go down to the Championship. Of course if he does that, the likelihood is he doesn't get the salary that he does here, and it potentially harms his career more so. All this and he needs the money for the Palace court case which is why I think it's nothing more than speculation.

He doesn't seem to care about fan opinions anyway, this time last year he had more stick than he's getting now so I think it's nonsense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 28, 2017, 11:45:10 AM
I missed "The Purple Patch" due to illness. I saw the first few games when we were rubbish. Then the last third or so which if we are truly honest were sackable form. I read a stat about him that including Stoke, Palace and Us when a team reaches 40pts he's been in charge for 54 games between the 3 clubs yet he's only won 6 games after that point. He's been quoted as saying the gap between the top 6 six a the rest is only grow. Maybe it is, but, its a certainty if you get to a point in the season and throw in the towel.
This season he had the chance to push on and finish with our highest points tally. We didn't, Both Bournemouth and Southampton passed when 2 wins would have seen us ok. We just petered out. It a question of what the club wants. I just don't see Pulis being able to take us to that next step. The fact he is heavily reliant on UK players who cost so much more doesn't help and since he's been here has wasted all the loans.
I was reading Facebook and paper replies to the Times and The Mail stories saying we'll be doomed if he goes, no we wont. It's probably the best time to do it because there are so many managers going to be available. I'm not his greatest fan so if he stays cool but I'm not panicing if he goes to be truthful
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on May 28, 2017, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 28, 2017, 08:22:59 AM
Pulis is no guarantee against relegation. On many occasions both here and at Stoke there has been extended periods of relegation form there is nothing to say the next one doesn't last long enough to take a team down. In which case we are enduring the football for no gain at all.

The ownership will hang onto the comfort blanket that is Pulis until the stands are empty or it's ripped from their cold dead hands by the relegation that Pulis is supposed to protect us from. The bottom half of this division is so tight that relegation is possibility for any club that finished 8th or lower. We won't be here forever so let's at least put on a bit of a show while we are here.

Spot on - one of the best posts I've seen on this topic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on May 28, 2017, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on May 28, 2017, 09:04:23 AM
http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/268814/pulis-considering-wba-future
The take on the current situation on the oatcake, some comments are mirrors of the comments here
Makes an interesting Sunday morning read 
My particular favourites

Wonder if the dinosaur is saying this cause he fancies the Wales job should Coleman leave? Imagine Wales under him, formation 6-3-1 bale upfront and punting it forward for bale to chase..

Maybe he's just unlucky. At Stoke he had a bunch of players who couldn't pass to their own man to save their lives. Go onto the West Brom forums, and bugger me, their players can't either. How unlucky is that?!?!

There's no way he'd go to Wales yet.  He needs the much bigger money from a club job to pay for what happened at Palace.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 28, 2017, 12:16:13 PM
Hope we can get him tied down to a new long term contract, I dread to think what would happen if he were to leave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 28, 2017, 12:16:13 PM
Hope we can get him tied down to a new long term contract, I dread to think what would happen if he were to leave.

What do you actually think would happen?

There is nothing that could possibly happen, that can't happen with pulis he (except for dropping the negative approach every week).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 28, 2017, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 12:22:55 PM
What do you actually think would happen?

There is nothing that could possibly happen, that can't happen with pulis he (except for dropping the negative approach every week).

I think we would struggle massively, I don't have faith that our squad is good enough. If we were to sign some quality this Summer then maybe I'd change my mind but for now I think he's getting the absolute best out of us and one bad appointment would undo all that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on May 28, 2017, 12:42:36 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 28, 2017, 12:25:09 PM
I think we would struggle massively, I don't have faith that our squad is good enough. If we were to sign some quality this Summer then maybe I'd change my mind but for now I think he's getting the absolute best out of us and one bad appointment would undo all that.




Most sensible thing I've read on here for ages. The pulis bashing is boring beyond words. He deserves this summer to bring in the three or four players to improve the squad. I tell u now if he leaves all the other clubs in our league in the prem will be dancing in the street, similar to big Sam leaving palace

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 28, 2017, 12:25:09 PM
I think we would struggle massively, I don't have faith that our squad is good enough. If we were to sign some quality this Summer then maybe I'd change my mind but for now I think he's getting the absolute best out of us and one bad appointment would undo all that.

How can he be getting the absolute best out of us?

we can't keep goals out the back of the net, can't string 2 passes together, can't keep possession and can't score.

Get a guy in who will play our players in their favourite positions, select the matchday squad based on form/performances instead of favoritism and I'm sure we would play alot better. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on May 28, 2017, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 12:43:50 PM
How can he be getting the absolute best out of us?

we can't keep goals out the back of the net, can't string 2 passes together, can't keep possession and can't score.

Get a guy in who will play our players in their favourite positions, select the matchday squad based on form/performances instead of favoritism and I'm sure we would play alot better. 




Match day squad? We don't have one my friend, he's been working with about 15 players for months, he needs help from the owners now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 01:15:51 PM
Quote from: Topman on May 28, 2017, 12:54:22 PM



Match day squad? We don't have one my friend, he's been working with about 15 players for months, he needs help from the owners now

and whos fault is that? he has had windows to sign players he wants... why do you think this next window is going to change how pulis works? He ain't going to recieve 100's of millions and his preference will still be british proven players that we can't afford with the amount of positions we need sorting due to the ridiculous prices for english players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 28, 2017, 01:21:49 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 01:15:51 PM
and whos fault is that? he has had windows to sign players he wants... why do you think this next window is going to change how pulis works? He ain't going to recieve 100's of millions and his preference will still be british proven players that we can't afford with the amount of positions we need sorting due to the ridiculous prices for english players.
The Berahino saga was largely not his fault and taking so long to get him off the books affected our signings in attacking positions, which is where our squad is thinnest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on May 28, 2017, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 01:15:51 PM
and whos fault is that? he has had windows to sign players he wants... why do you think this next window is going to change how pulis works? He ain't going to recieve 100's of millions and his preference will still be british proven players that we can't afford with the amount of positions we need sorting due to the ridiculous prices for english players.
Its the boards fault. No matter who the manager is they always penny pinch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 03:14:37 PM
Quote from: bry on May 28, 2017, 03:08:54 PM
Its the boards fault. No matter who the manager is they always penny pinch.

Didn't the board say pulis had the final say on transfers when he was appointed? Pulis has also said he ain't signing Taylor due to not being worth what they are asking (which isn't a lot, so why show interest in the first place if he ain't worth paying for when the fee isn't really high anyway)?

Pulis is stubborn and his preference is 'experienced British players', we can't afford to compete with the likes of Everton, west ham etc as it is without him limiting our options further.

Premier league clubs have proved there are bargains to be had abroad... so it's nothing to do with the board 'penny pinching'.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 28, 2017, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 01:15:51 PM
and whos fault is that? he has had windows to sign players he wants... why do you think this next window is going to change how pulis works? He ain't going to recieve 100's of millions and his preference will still be british proven players that we can't afford with the amount of positions we need sorting due to the ridiculous prices for english players.

Galloway, pritchaed and Gnabry he brings in loans and never uses them and you're right about the british players. Whatever happens I just hope the club do it quick I think need to push on now. Pulis is literally mr 40pts man. (I know its HITC, but since its straight Stats it should be ok)

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/05/26/should-west-bromwich-albion-fans-really-be-happy-with-tony-pulis/

If people are happy with that situation then fairplay
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on May 28, 2017, 03:37:50 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 28, 2017, 12:16:13 PM
Hope we can get him tied down to a new long term contract, I dread to think what would happen if he were to leave.
?? Really?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 28, 2017, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: albion59 on May 28, 2017, 03:37:50 PM
?? Really?

Do you not know that we are doomed without him? Seems to be the general nonsense consensus.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 28, 2017, 03:51:26 PM
Some these posts are getting really patronizing now, come on we are allegedly all Albion supporters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on May 28, 2017, 04:06:45 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 03:14:37 PM
Didn't the board say pulis had the final say on transfers when he was appointed? Pulis has also said he ain't signing Taylor due to not being worth what they are asking (which isn't a lot, so why show interest in the first place if he ain't worth paying for when the fee isn't really high anyway)?

Pulis is stubborn and his preference is 'experienced British players', we can't afford to compete with the likes of Everton, west ham etc as it is without him limiting our options further.

Premier league clubs have proved there are bargains to be had abroad... so it's nothing to do with the board 'penny pinching'.
Yes the board say he can buy anyone he wants as long as its not above a bargain basement amount. The last transfer fiasco was not Pulis but Williams et al. Pulis would not turn down Taylor  Smalling, Carvalho, Fabian Delph and Iheanacho if the board would pay for them. But they wont. You know they wont.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on May 28, 2017, 04:51:17 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 12:43:50 PM
How can he be getting the absolute best out of us?

we can't keep goals out the back of the net, can't string 2 passes together, can't keep possession and can't score.

Get a guy in who will play our players in their favourite positions, select the matchday squad based on form/performances instead of favoritism and I'm sure we would play alot better.

And yet we finished 10th? What you say and the actual facts are entirely different.

You talk about playing players in their favourite positions.. That's just crazy - they should play where's best for the team.  Just who is playing out of position that annoys you? Dawson? So you'd drop g-mac? Nyom? So you'd drop Dawson and play who at left back?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on May 28, 2017, 04:51:52 PM
Quote from: bry on May 28, 2017, 04:06:45 PM
Yes the board say he can buy anyone he wants as long as its not above a bargain basement amount. The last transfer fiasco was not Pulis but Williams et al. Pulis would not turn down Taylor  Smalling, Carvalho, Fabian Delph and Iheanacho if the board would pay for them. But they wont. You know they wont.

Different owner now bry. TP is not stupid he knows this is a massive window for him as there surely can be no excuses.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on May 28, 2017, 04:51:17 PM
And yet we finished 10th? What you say and the actual facts are entirely different.

You talk about playing players in their favourite positions.. That's just crazy - they should play where's best for the team.  Just who is playing out of position that annoys you? Dawson? So you'd drop g-mac? Nyom? So you'd drop Dawson and play who at left back?

Another one blinded by the league position.

We were also 8th at one point... a good amount of points above the teams above us... yet we ended up finishing just 5 points above 17th place.

In regards to positioning... Chadli is best suited behind the striker... as you would have seen for his first few games he played well there... he then gets put on the wing and he's now poor, lazy and terrible apparently...

Who mentioned gmac, Dawson or nyom?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 28, 2017, 05:08:05 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 28, 2017, 12:25:09 PM
I think we would struggle massively, I don't have faith that our squad is good enough. If we were to sign some quality this Summer then maybe I'd change my mind but for now I think he's getting the absolute best out of us and one bad appointment would undo all that.
This will be his 6th transfer window. Have to go back to TM to find a coach afforded this amount of time to build a squad. He does keep himself in work by putting constraints on who we can buy though  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 28, 2017, 05:16:58 PM
From the latest Brum Mail article, quotes attributed to Pulis.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-says-real-supporters-13105195

"They’ve done absolutely fantastic and for anybody to knock them, they just don’t know what they’re talking about."

“This team and this group of players have been fantastic, absolutely wonderful, and I think the real supporters appreciate that,"

So basically if you don't agree with him you're an idiot.... It's like having a disagreement with a 5 year old.

I seriously can't stand him. I'm overjoyed that the court declared him a liar and made him lose Millions. Just can't stand him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on May 28, 2017, 05:21:33 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on May 28, 2017, 05:16:58 PM
From the latest Brum Mail article, quotes attributed to Pulis.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-says-real-supporters-13105195

"They’ve done absolutely fantastic and for anybody to knock them, they just don’t know what they’re talking about."

“This team and this group of players have been fantastic, absolutely wonderful, and I think the real supporters appreciate that,"

So basically if you don't agree with him you're an idiot.... It's like having a disagreement with a 5 year old.

I seriously can't stand him. I'm overjoyed that the court declared him a liar and made him lose Millions. Just can't stand him.
Snap....really hope he leaves...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on May 28, 2017, 05:22:47 PM
If he has been afforded so much time then he must be doing a half decent job...?
The likes of Pulis and Hodgson will never be flamboyant but they know how to set up their teams to get enough results
We have tried the bright young things with Mowbray and Di Matteo, the experienced coaches with Clarke and Irvin, even gone out on a limb with Mel but what is so criminally wrong with what TP is achieving with one of the smallest and oldest squads in the PL...?
Some people are just never satisfied...you only have to look at Wenger and Arsenal to see that..!?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 28, 2017, 05:37:32 PM
The round thing they supposed to kick to each other, not chase like a 10 yeaR old think its called a FOOTBALL.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 28, 2017, 05:45:47 PM
Well said TP hopefully shut up the doubters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on May 28, 2017, 05:53:51 PM
Well played TP for slagging your own fans for daring to call you out on playing rubbish football.

Real classy move.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 28, 2017, 05:56:20 PM
Quote from: Hong Kong Phooey on May 28, 2017, 05:22:47 PM
If he has been afforded so much time then he must be doing a half decent job...?
The likes of Pulis and Hodgson will never be flamboyant but they know how to set up their teams to get enough results
We have tried the bright young things with Mowbray and Di Matteo, the experienced coaches with Clarke and Irvin, even gone out on a limb with Mel but what is so criminally wrong with what TP is achieving with one of the smallest and oldest squads in the PL...?
Some people are just never satisfied...you only have to look at Wenger and Arsenal to see that..!?!

1) Its partially his fault its the oldest and one of the smallest squads in the premiership though
2) Not being knocked out to Northampton in the 2nd round of the league cup would have satisfied me
3) Not being knocked out at home to Derby in the 3rd round of the fa cup would have satisfied me
4) Not seeing us 20th in possession and 20th in passes would have satisfied me. This was a season which contained Sunderland after all and I think we can and should do better.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 28, 2017, 05:57:26 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 28, 2017, 05:45:47 PM
Well said TP hopefully shut up the doubters.

I read it as someone that can't take criticism. He's got to be careful that he doesn't start diving the already divided fan base further with repeated comments about the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 28, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 28, 2017, 05:45:47 PM
Well said TP hopefully shut up the doubters.

He is trying to work his ticket he wants out with a pay-off by antagonising his critics by implying they aren't real supporters

Players and Coaches should never question the commitment of fans it seldom ends well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 28, 2017, 06:13:36 PM
He did WM at a time of good string of results, I don't say FOOTBALL, how about and end of season one when a question can be asked like.
10th good position but why is the football so DIRE.
Why do we set up for a nil nil against Sunderland come to think of it why do we set up every game for a nil nil.
Why do the kids coaches on a park talk about pass and move. and you believe in HOOF and chase for a team of players earning millions.
Do you do extensive passing training or just players in box;s learning to defend the 18  yard line.
What have you coached Chadli and Livermore to do, they started so brightly.
The list goes on and on and on just like "we worked ard"
   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 06:14:35 PM
Disrespects the fans again and some clueless people still back him. Embaressing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 28, 2017, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on May 28, 2017, 05:16:58 PM
From the latest Brum Mail article, quotes attributed to Pulis.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-says-real-supporters-13105195

"They’ve done absolutely fantastic and for anybody to knock them, they just don’t know what they’re talking about."

“This team and this group of players have been fantastic, absolutely wonderful, and I think the real supporters appreciate that,"

So basically if you don't agree with him you're an idiot.... It's like having a disagreement with a 5 year old.

I seriously can't stand him. I'm overjoyed that the court declared him a liar and made him lose Millions. Just can't stand him.
is he so blind that he thinks its the players supporters are disgruntled with?
nice twist Mr Pulis but its you some fans have the grievance with not the players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 07:13:09 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 28, 2017, 06:35:52 PM
is he so blind that he thinks its the players supporters are disgruntled with?
nice twist Mr Pulis but its you some fans have the grievance with not the players.

The guy is an absolute idiot and anyone who falls for his nonsense... well more fool them.

The sooner he is gone the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on May 28, 2017, 07:18:11 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 28, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
He is trying to work his ticket he wants out with a pay-off by antagonising his critics by implying they aren't real supporters

Players and Coaches should never question the commitment of fans it seldom ends well.
I think he's hoping to be "poached" by someone.  Not sure who though...?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on May 28, 2017, 07:20:54 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 07:13:09 PM
The guy is an absolute idiot and anyone who falls for his nonsense... well more fool them.

The sooner he is gone the better.
Couldn't agree more! I'm also a bit angry that he said people who don't like his football aren't real fans I like a few on here have been going over 50 years! So I beg to differ Mr Pulis it's him who I am knocking not the players
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 28, 2017, 07:37:15 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on May 28, 2017, 05:56:20 PM
1) Its partially his fault its the oldest and one of the smallest squads in the premiership though
2) Not being knocked out to Northampton in the 2nd round of the league cup would have satisfied me
3) Not being knocked out at home to Derby in the 3rd round of the fa cup would have satisfied me
4) Not seeing us 20th in possession and 20th in passes would have satisfied me. This was a season which contained Sunderland after all and I think we can and should do better.
Spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 28, 2017, 07:38:25 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 28, 2017, 06:35:52 PM
is he so blind that he thinks its the players supporters are disgruntled with?
nice twist Mr Pulis but its you some fans have the grievance with not the players.
Agreed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 28, 2017, 07:42:27 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 28, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
He is trying to work his ticket he wants out with a pay-off by antagonising his critics by implying they aren't real supporters

Players and Coaches should never question the commitment of fans it seldom ends well.
Two good points
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: albion59 on May 28, 2017, 07:20:54 PM
Couldn't agree more! I'm also a bit angry that he said people who don't like his football aren't real fans I like a few on here have been going over 50 years! So I beg to differ Mr Pulis it's him who I am knocking not the players

You've been going over 50 years, yet you share a different opinion to pulis so it gives him the right to basically say your not a real fan and your opinion doesn't count  ::)

Can't stand the guy, never have done... I respected him for the reason he was appointed as our head coach, I supported him since then but his constant negative approach, mind numbing football and now his disgraceful words have just topped it for me.

Since having a season ticket this is the first year I havnt renewed and it will be staying that way for aslong as this thieving disrespectful lying scumbag is here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 28, 2017, 08:37:33 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 07:52:40 PM
You've been going over 50 years, yet you share a different opinion to pulis so it gives him the right to basically say your not a real fan and your opinion doesn't count  ::)

Can't stand the guy, never have done... I respected him for the reason he was appointed as our head coach, I supported him since then but his constant negative approach, mind numbing football and now his disgraceful words have just topped it for me.

Since having a season ticket this is the first year I havnt renewed and it will be staying that way for aslong as this thieving disrespectful lying scumbag is here.
Sorry been going up the same time as you.
And I find your post very disrespectful of a manager who has held us in a sound position despite frugal controls on player costs.In the time he has been here.
Sometimes a reality check needs to be brought in?
Who do you think could do better? No one of his distractors has eve answered my question? Please do?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 08:47:07 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 28, 2017, 08:37:33 PM
Sorry been going up the same time as you.
And I find your post very disrespectful of a manager who has held us in a sound position despite frugal controls on player costs.In the time he has been here.
Sometimes a reality check needs to be brought in?
Who do you think could do better? No one of his distractors has eve answered my question? Please do?

And you don't think he has been disrespectful to the fans, more than once?

If it was a player speaking about fans the way he has, you and all the others that can't see no wrong in pulis would be calling for their heads... but because it's pulis, it gets swept under the carpet and you ask a ridiculous question that's impossible to answer... hence why no one has answered everytime you have asked.

I'd much rather pay to see us playing in the championship after sacking pulis and getting relegated... than paying to go see that man in charge in the premier league ever again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 28, 2017, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 28, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
He is trying to work his ticket he wants out with a pay-off by antagonising his critics by implying they aren't real supporters

Players and Coaches should never question the commitment of fans it seldom ends well.

Couldn't agree more Stan. Difficult to believe that The Times would fabricate stories, IMO there's trouble at mill. Let's hope it's resolved sooner than later
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on May 28, 2017, 08:55:03 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on May 28, 2017, 08:37:33 PM
Sorry been going up the same time as you.
And I find your post very disrespectful of a manager who has held us in a sound position despite frugal controls on player costs.In the time he has been here.
Sometimes a reality check needs to be brought in?
Who do you think could do better? No one of his distractors has eve answered my question? Please do?
I have a couple of names who could do a better job, but if you have read this thread we have been asked not to mention any possible replacements whilst Pulis is still in charge, so i wont name them i also suspect other people have an opinion on who they would like but wont name them, thats why you are not getting an answer to your question.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 28, 2017, 08:56:00 PM
Plenty cite the reason they stop attending is because of Pulis. how many actually attend because of Pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on May 28, 2017, 08:57:41 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 08:47:07 PM
And you don't think he has been disrespectful to the fans, more than once?

If it was a player speaking about fans the way he has, you and all the others that can't see no wrong in pulis would be calling for their heads... but because it's pulis, it gets swept under the carpet and you ask a ridiculous question that's impossible to answer... hence why no one has answered everytime you have asked.

I'd much rather pay to see us playing in the championship after sacking pulis and getting relegated... than paying to go see that man in charge in the premier league ever again.




Sorry mate but thats one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read on here, about being relegated etc. If you would rather go and watch us being a yo yo team or worse mid table going nowhere like the mid 90s then fair enough, you are entitled to you opinion but you obviously do not remember those years. losing one week by four and the next week wining etc. You really want to go back to that seriously?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on May 28, 2017, 09:13:34 PM
Quote from: Topman on May 28, 2017, 08:57:41 PM



Sorry mate but thats one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read on here, about being relegated etc. If you would rather go and watch us being a yo yo team or worse mid table going nowhere like the mid 90s then fair enough, you are entitled to you opinion but you obviously do not remember those years. losing one week by four and the next week wining etc. You really want to go back to that seriously?
Isnt that what we are doing now? oh no we win one and lose seven!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on May 28, 2017, 09:18:12 PM
When Odemwingie and Berahino slagged the club and fans off i couldnt wait for them to get out of the club, if Pulis as said what is being reported than the same thing applies to him. I wouldnt stop going because of him because it is what i have always done, but i wont go to another away game while he is there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 28, 2017, 09:20:33 PM
He's got to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on May 28, 2017, 09:24:11 PM
Quote from: albion59 on May 28, 2017, 09:13:34 PM
Isnt that what we are doing now? oh no we win one and lose seven!



Ok I see your point. However this is supposed to be the top table of english football not losing to Grimsby by 5 etc. However, I fear the people who want him out will win soon enough. I personally would give Pulis this window and see where we are by October. I agree due to his choice of type of players he picks it does leave us fishing in an even smaller pool of players. I will admit I am one of the people who is somewhat scared to see Pulis go as i firmly believe it will be curtains for us in this league as given our last few appointments I would not be confident the board will get it right. And people thinking we could get a top top coach are kidding themselves. We would attract at best a champ manager or the usual out of work clan. Howe would not leave for us, nor would dyche etc. I am sad to see this kind of almost infighting that is building up now, not seen this since gould etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 28, 2017, 09:35:39 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 06:14:35 PM
Disrespects the fans again and some clueless people still back him. Embaressing.
Just read what you have written, you are disrespecting your fellow supporters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 28, 2017, 09:42:28 PM
He's not having a go at all of the fans, only them who are constantly criticising him and the players which a few on here do. He's stated on many occasions how fantastic the majority of fans have been in supporting.

I think the comments about the players going on the beach is what has annoyed TP as they seem a very professional and hard working group so I can see why this would pee him off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 28, 2017, 09:47:06 PM
Quote from: Topman on May 28, 2017, 09:24:11 PM


Ok I see your point. However this is supposed to be the top table of english football not losing to Grimsby by 5 etc. However, I fear the people who want him out will win soon enough. I personally would give Pulis this window and see where we are by October. I agree due to his choice of type of players he picks it does leave us fishing in an even smaller pool of players. I will admit I am one of the people who is somewhat scared to see Pulis go as i firmly believe it will be curtains for us in this league as given our last few appointments I would not be confident the board will get it right. And people thinking we could get a top top coach are kidding themselves. We would attract at best a champ manager or the usual out of work clan. Howe would not leave for us, nor would dyche etc. I am sad to see this kind of almost infighting that is building up now, not seen this since gould etc
your right to be concerned about the Albion when/if a new manager needs appointing.
looking at the managers appointed at Blackburn during John Williams tenure its a bit of hit and miss..
1998/2011
Brian Kidd
Tony Parkes
Mark Hughes
Paul Ince
Sam Allardyce   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 09:56:59 PM
Quote from: Topman on May 28, 2017, 08:57:41 PM



Sorry mate but thats one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read on here, about being relegated etc. If you would rather go and watch us being a yo yo team or worse mid table going nowhere like the mid 90s then fair enough, you are entitled to you opinion but you obviously do not remember those years. losing one week by four and the next week wining etc. You really want to go back to that seriously?

I didn't say to be a yoyo team.

Majority seem to think pulis is the only man that won't get relegated.

I would rather see us take a risk, get someone else in who actually wants to manage our club and attempt to get us playing football anď passing the ball at least.... if that meant getting relegated to spend a season or 2 in the championship and being a team that can actually play football then so be it.

And as for losing one week then winning the next... I'd snap anyone's hand off for that... have you forgot already how many games it's been since we have won?

The relegated teams played better than we did AFTER relegation was confirmed.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on May 28, 2017, 10:07:38 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 28, 2017, 09:56:59 PM
I didn't say to be a yoyo team.

Majority seem to think pulis is the only man that won't get relegated.

I would rather see us take a risk, get someone else in who actually wants to manage our club and attempt to get us playing football anď passing the ball at least.... if that meant getting relegated to spend a season or 2 in the championship and being a team that can actually play football then so be it.

And as for losing one week then winning the next... I'd snap anyone's hand off for that... have you forgot already how many games it's been since we have won?

The relegated teams played better than we did AFTER relegation was confirmed.








And I will repeat, we are supposed to be at the top table of english football. You really think the relegated teams played better, hull lost by seven on the final day against a team who we held at home and were a couple of mins away from beating, but i suppose you forget that performance. Sunderland yes won at hull but lost 5 at chelsea who we pushed all the way in both games and lost by two against Swansea but your arguement will be that they had something to play for, unlike liverpool and chelsea and leicester who we lost to so dreadfully. Middlesborough lost ever game. So yeah, they really played better didnt they mate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 28, 2017, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: Legend on May 28, 2017, 05:45:47 PM
Well said TP hopefully shut up the doubters.

Seems like you are one of the happy clappers. TP is now being patronising towards fans who don't like what he is serving up on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 29, 2017, 12:10:46 AM
Quote from: Legend on May 28, 2017, 09:42:28 PM
He's not having a go at all of the fans, only them who are constantly criticising him and the players which a few on here do. He's stated on many occasions how fantastic the majority of fans have been in supporting.

I think the comments about the players going on the beach is what has annoyed TP as they seem a very professional and hard working group so I can see why this would pee him off.

To be honest though, the end of the season has seemed like they've been on the beach. I think they've rightfully been criticised, as he has.

Simple way to stop the criticism, get some results in the last 10 games rather than having a go at fans for rightfully moaning. We all gave him and the players praise when they were playing well and getting results, he's got to expect some criticism for how the season finished.

I didn't see him calling fans clueless or not knowing what they're talking about when we were praising him and the players during the good run this season.

I understand creating the 'us and them' mentality against opponents etc, but if he's not careful he's going to create that exact same mentality with the fans which is only going to end in tears for all parties
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 29, 2017, 12:42:22 AM
Quote from: Topman on May 28, 2017, 10:07:38 PM

And I will repeat, we are supposed to be at the top table of english football. You really think the relegated teams played better, hull lost by seven on the final day against a team who we held at home and were a couple of mins away from beating, but i suppose you forget that performance. Sunderland yes won at hull but lost 5 at chelsea who we pushed all the way in both games and lost by two against Swansea but your arguement will be that they had something to play for, unlike liverpool and chelsea and leicester who we lost to so dreadfully. Middlesborough lost ever game. So yeah, they really played better didnt they mate

Why are we SUPPOSED to be at the top table of English football? For what reason?

Scorelines don't always reflect on how well you play... hence the reason we managed to finish 10th but we're one of, if not thee worst team in the league for shots, passes, possession, clean sheets etc.

How can you try and justify the way we lost to teams like chelsea?

We hardly pushed them all the way, we parked the bus.. did what they expected, had pretty much one chance and took it and put the game to bed!

Atleast teams like sunderland, Swansea etc turned up to play a football match.

Not that your comments are anything to do with my original comment in the first place but whatever floats your boat.

We're boring, negative and were at a brick wall with the guy in charge... who may I add... keeps slagging off the fans because he don't like us to have an opinion after paying out hundreds each season to watch our team 'play'.  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on May 29, 2017, 01:08:13 AM
Quote from: Legend on May 28, 2017, 09:42:28 PM
He's not having a go at all of the fans, only them who are constantly criticising him and the players which a few on here do. He's stated on many occasions how fantastic the majority of fans have been in supporting.

I think the comments about the players going on the beach is what has annoyed TP as they seem a very professional and hard working group so I can see why this would pee him off.
However, the stat for all pulis managed teams in the prem after reaching 40 points which now stands at played 48 won 6, would seem to suggest some kind of switch off once safety is reached. This stat is spread across his time at stoke, palace & now the last two seasons with us.
I think there have been some well made & passionate points on both sides of the pulis argument, but how can anyone honestly defend the performances & results after 40 points reached when clearly, tp's teams all struggle once safe?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on May 29, 2017, 03:47:27 AM
Thanks for your service so far Tony, it has been on the whole good for the well-being of the club.

However, I'm wondering how many people can still be satisfied with this generally poor football that produces enough results to stay in the Prem until a point of boredom, and a lack of effort from players ensues, simply in order to secure the funds which will enable us to do the exact same thing the next season, and the next, etc etc.

It's not like Pulis has only been here for a few months, it's been a good while now, and his reputation justifiably has not changed very much. That reflects poorly on the club every day. Letting Pulis go now does not mean that we would definitely get relegated, the same as keeping him would not guarantee staying up. It's risky to change manager, but the current reality is pretty boring (and pathetic given the last several games). You know what folks, even if the worst happens and we got relegated, hanging around in the middle of the Prem is not all that great anyway. How excited do most of you get nowadays when we secure a win or draw that will help to establish our mid-table obscurity? How many of you have only renewed your season tickets as it's basically in your blood to be there every week of the season?

We CAN and SHOULD change the manager now, even though the road may be unpredictable in the coming years. It's worth it for the sanity of the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on May 29, 2017, 04:56:47 AM
I actually think it will look better on the club if we let Tony coach next year as long as we are around the top 12ish and then not give him a new contract. It will show the new coach we hire that WBA is very patient and is willing to let a coach build his system in. Probably leads to a better applicant pool being interested in the job too.

Of course my best case scenario is Pulis stays after next year because that means we had a pretty good year either in the league or win a cup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 29, 2017, 07:31:59 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on May 29, 2017, 12:42:22 AM
Why are we SUPPOSED to be at the top table of English football? For what reason?

Scorelines don't always reflect on how well you play... hence the reason we managed to finish 10th but we're one of, if not thee worst team in the league for shots, passes, possession, clean sheets etc.

How can you try and justify the way we lost to teams like chelsea?

We hardly pushed them all the way, we parked the bus.. did what they expected, had pretty much one chance and took it and put the game to bed!

Atleast teams like sunderland, Swansea etc turned up to play a football match.

Not that your comments are anything to do with my original comment in the first place but whatever floats your boat.

We're boring, negative and were at a brick wall with the guy in charge... who may I add... keeps slagging off the fans because he don't like us to have an opinion after paying out hundreds each season to watch our team 'play'.  ::)
There was nothing wrong with our approach in either game against Chelsea....that's not parking the bus. Do you expect us to just attack and hope for the best ? We had chances to take the lead in both games. Remember the chances for Rondon and Chadli ?? Hazard's quote 'it was great to celebrate with our fans especially after such a hard game'. Our performances in those games and the home game against Arsenal is exactly how we need to play against the big boys.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 29, 2017, 08:19:46 AM
Its not about the big teams its the way we set up against Sunderland, Crystal Palace, M'Boro to name a few

What's the excuse for these games   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 29, 2017, 09:19:05 AM
Quote from: Throstletown on May 29, 2017, 08:19:46 AM
Its not about the big teams its the way we set up against Sunderland, Crystal Palace, M'Boro to name a few

What's the excuse for these games
Well since April it's lack of depth to our attack as we lost Phillips, others out of form. That's my view, Pulis gets the summer window to make some additions.  If the April/May form continues through Aug - mid Oct then I might change my view on what Pulis is doing but not until then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on May 29, 2017, 10:03:45 AM
Pulis said himself on a couple of occasions last season that the passing and ball retention needed to be better , if anything it got worse so either the type of training they do isn't up to scratch or the players don't get it .

The shape held by the team is very restrictive in terms of movement and we rarely get a midfielder beyond the forward.

Problem Pulis has got is that most people saw the need for a short term remedy , a firefighter to sort out issues .  We still have a large number of supporters who have seen a decent Albion side they know what it's like to see a team that can play football .

Simple fact is. Even Bournemouth play better football than us and I don't see them keep bleating on about resources or how gratefiul the fans should be .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on May 29, 2017, 10:57:46 AM
What i think we have here is tony pulis is a 'good' manager... what i think we also have here is tony pulis is an absolutely terrible coach!
He cant coach the players correctly, his training sessions are dire! I used to work with someone who was very close to saido, he used to tell him about the training sessions.... they used to train for an hour and half on shape, tony used to move the players about saying 'this is your position if the ball is in this zone' etc... then they used to do ball work for like half hour!
Hence why they cant pass for toffee or keep the ball.... those things are practice! Its like picking a set of darts up after not touching them for a year... your bound to be worse than you once was.. take darren fletcher for instance, he played in a united midfield who ALWAYS had the ball, he cant all of a sudden not be able to pass water!!
Another example.... claudio yacobs passing ratio in his first season was 89%ish from memory... ask anyone now, and theyll say he is poor in possesion!!
Something needs to be done here! These players are more than capable of being a team who knock the ball about and go forward!!
Our team is full of absolute quality! Im sure of that.. however they have had the abilities coached out of them... bring in a new proven coach, and we would see a way different west bromwich albion with the current squad of players!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 29, 2017, 11:10:04 AM
Yes Pulis spends a lot of time on team shape and defensive discipline, and so did Hodgson.

Mo above mentions people remembering an Albion team playing good football. I think you'd have to go back to the Ron Atkinson team of 35 years ago to find the last one that played 'good football' in the top flight for any length of time. The game has changed beyond recall since then with the mass of foreign players and huge money around. Also fitness levels have gone up with teams pressing and far more closing down than there used to be.

It comes down to what you class as good football- is it possession based passing football ? If that is your only idea of what good football is then obviously Pulis is not going to be your manager to do that. It could also be a risky transition if we found a manager who aimed to play that way.

Bournemouth probably do play better football than us. Eddie Howe has done very well for them, they've also had a supportive pretty wealthy chairman...it's not little Bournemouth these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 29, 2017, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on May 28, 2017, 05:53:51 PM
Well played TP for slagging your own fans for daring to call you out on playing rubbish football.

Real classy move.

He has not slagged anyone off, he just pointed out that the real supporters would appreciate the season as a whole, he is correct.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 29, 2017, 11:24:16 AM
Pulis does not play football Adder, I must have been in the gents and missed it.
Hoofball, gain position and set pieces is his game a variant of rugby in all honesty.

The box kick to gain ground, or a kick to lines, set plays as you get near the goal line.

With regards success depends on your view football wise or winning another Prem badge.
Points wise 10th EVERYTHING football wise bottom of the league.

Real supporters tell it, as it is and after 40 years I think im a real supporter, bet tiny is not here that long, I f hope,  and has never paid every year to see his football team play try and entertain.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 29, 2017, 12:29:16 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 29, 2017, 11:17:38 AM
He has not slagged anyone off, he just pointed out that the real supporters would appreciate the season as a whole, he is correct.

If only he appreciated the season as a whole and didn't take his foot off the gas after 40 points there would be a lot less criticism on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 29, 2017, 12:33:24 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 29, 2017, 11:17:38 AM
He has not slagged anyone off, he just pointed out that the real supporters would appreciate the season as a whole, he is correct.

I'd be interested to know your view on how many "Real Supporters" WBA have, & how would you define a "Real Supporter"?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on May 29, 2017, 12:44:05 PM
Not really sure what Pulis hoped to achieve from these comments, he must know that this would heavily divide the fans.

Doesn't really change anything, some people buy into his "safety first" approach, some of us see him as the arrogant, self serving bloke he is, fact is he's going nowhere for a long time as the board won't sack him, he won't walk and no one else would want to poach him. Joy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 29, 2017, 01:13:22 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 29, 2017, 12:44:05 PM
Not really sure what Pulis hoped to achieve from these comments, he must know that this would heavily divide the fans.

Doesn't really change anything, some people buy into his "safety first" approach, some of us see him as the arrogant, self serving bloke he is, fact is he's going nowhere for a long time as the board won't sack him, he won't walk and no one else would want to poach him. Joy.




I've got no problem with his footballing style, providing he gets the results.


The bit in bold for me Lloydy.

He knew exactly what he would achieve with the comments. Something's going on IMO.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on May 29, 2017, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on May 29, 2017, 12:44:05 PM
Not really sure what Pulis hoped to achieve from these comments, he must know that this would heavily divide the fans.

Doesn't really change anything, some people buy into his "safety first" approach, some of us see him as the arrogant, self serving bloke he is, fact is he's going nowhere for a long time as the board won't sack him, he won't walk and no one else would want to poach him. Joy.

Exactly. Just look at this forum alone. Since making those comments and the previous ones about people online moaning there's definitely been a bigger divide on here. I wouldn't say I've ever been his biggest fan, but he didn't really bother me most of the season, now he's lost a lot of my respect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on May 29, 2017, 02:41:36 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on May 29, 2017, 12:33:24 PM
I'd be interested to know your view on how many "Real Supporters" WBA have, & how would you define a "Real Supporter"?
I would like the answer to that question as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 29, 2017, 02:47:56 PM
Quote from: Throstletown on May 29, 2017, 11:24:16 AM
Pulis does not play football Adder, I must have been in the gents and missed it.
Hoofball, gain position and set pieces is his game a variant of rugby in all honesty.

The box kick to gain ground, or a kick to lines, set plays as you get near the goal line.

With regards success depends on your view football wise or winning another Prem badge.
Points wise 10th EVERYTHING football wise bottom of the league.

Real supporters tell it, as it is and after 40 years I think im a real supporter, bet tiny is not here that long, I f hope,  and has never paid every year to see his football team play try and entertain.
Think you need to read my post again. I'm not claiming we are playing great football - I said the last time we did in the top flight was probably 35 years ago in the Ron Atkinson team.
So people who don't share your exact views ('tell it as it is') are not real supporters now are they ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 29, 2017, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 28, 2017, 06:35:52 PM
is he so blind that he thinks its the players supporters are disgruntled with?
nice twist Mr Pulis but its you some fans have the grievance with not the players.


These original quotes are from a few weeks ago where people were having a pop at them left, right and centre about being on the beach. The Brum Mail have rehashed the story and arranged the quotes differently to the original story I read to take away any kind of context and create an ultra negative story. There was no major outcry when this story was originally out. One thing is for sure when he uses such a phrase it's always going to reflect very badly on him and he should have known better with his experience.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 29, 2017, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: Adder on May 29, 2017, 07:31:59 AM
There was nothing wrong with our approach in either game against Chelsea....that's not parking the bus. Do you expect us to just attack and hope for the best ? We had chances to take the lead in both games. Remember the chances for Rondon and Chadli ?? Hazard's quote 'it was great to celebrate with our fans especially after such a hard game'. Our performances in those games and the home game against Arsenal is exactly how we need to play against the big boys.

We might aswell, as we are doing it the way pulis thinks is best and losing anyway!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RICH ONE on May 29, 2017, 04:49:08 PM
The Express and Star printed the same story on the day  of his press conference and a lot of the wording between the two papers is different and I see not one word was said by anyone on here or on social media in response to that article
The Brum Mail have waited two weeks to print this story and have blown it all out of context there aim was to stir up a hornets nest. Which they have now succeeded .
While TP may have said words along the lines the Mail have printed I don't think it was his aim to upset the fan base.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on May 29, 2017, 05:16:16 PM
Adder, football fans are the real supporters, people who put up with this dire, boring rubbish are real supporters, people in denial are real football fans, but that does mean they/I must like it or be happy with Punis.

To be fair to Tiny we all knew from his Stoke days what he could do and would do to our team but Stoke with Hughes who is not the best in the world have survived post the Anti Football Christ.
 
I think it just depends on whether your for football or want the Prem badge on your teams shirt.

Never thought I mentioned real supporters just football supporters
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 29, 2017, 05:31:09 PM
All I know is I'm bored, Tony.

Feb to May has been true relegation form and (mostly) just awful to watch.
And yes while I would like us to stay in the top flight, I would absolutely watch Championship Albion if they were entertaining me.

That most CERTAINLY doesn't stop me from being a real supporter. Quite the opposite actually.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on May 29, 2017, 05:50:14 PM
We'll be safe again come January with Pulis in charge. Then we'll just follow the same cycle season in, season out.

Perfect for 'the Chinese' so their asset and investment is safeguarded.

This is as good as it gets.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ALFABAGGIE on May 29, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
Pulis doesn't like quoting too many stats about the team and games because he knows they won't look too good for him but it makes me laugh when he has often quoted in the past how we out-run most teams... That's because Tone we've hardly ever got the ball !!!!  Sums him and his footballing ideology up totally really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 29, 2017, 06:25:37 PM
Quote from: Throstletown on May 29, 2017, 05:16:16 PM
Adder, football fans are the real supporters, people who put up with this dire, boring rubbish are real supporters, people in denial are real football fans, but that does mean they/I must like it or be happy with Punis.

To be fair to Tiny we all knew from his Stoke days what he could do and would do to our team but Stoke with Hughes who is not the best in the world have survived post the Anti Football Christ.
 
I think it just depends on whether your for football or want the Prem badge on your teams shirt.

Never thought I mentioned real supporters just football supporters
 
You mentioned 'real supporters' twice but we'll let that go. Some of us on here think that the counter attacking style we used well between Oct - March was decent and it wasn't long ball. We all see things slightly differently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 29, 2017, 06:28:03 PM
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/887651041?-11200:789:0

just read this article about strikers and tony pulis. he is right that lots of top teams play with one upfront, but they are of far better quality than what we have got.
the quote, its what suits the player not the manager is just balls. how many players does he play out of position?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 29, 2017, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 29, 2017, 06:28:03 PM
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/887651041?-11200:789:0

just read this article about strikers and tony pulis. he is right that lots of top teams play with one upfront, but they are of far better quality than what we have got.
the quote, its what suits the player not the manager is just balls. how many players does he play out of position?

None these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 29, 2017, 06:36:07 PM
Playing one up top has tended to suit us better than 4-4-2 over the past 3- 4 years or more, pre-dating Pulis. I've got no problem with it but stating the obvious, the lone striker has to have support arriving somewhere. We missed having Phillips in the team and Rondon missed him more than anyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 29, 2017, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 29, 2017, 06:35:07 PM
None these days.
but for most part of the season he played a CH at RB (Dawson) a RB at LB (Nyom)
at times a LM at LB (Brunt)
do you think this suits the player and not the manager?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 29, 2017, 07:25:38 PM
Quote from: RICH ONE on May 29, 2017, 04:49:08 PM
The Express and Star printed the same story on the day  of his press conference and a lot of the wording between the two papers is different and I see not one word was said by anyone on here or on social media in response to that article
The Brum Mail have waited two weeks to print this story and have blown it all out of context there aim was to stir up a hornets nest. Which they have now succeeded .
While TP may have said words along the lines the Mail have printed I don't think it was his aim to upset the fan base.

Spot on, in the original piece it was clear he was only protecting his players from criticism he feels was unwarranted and on that point I agreed with him at the time. Its rehashed garbage quite frankly that barely anyone picked up on at the time as it had that bit of context to it until they decided to swap a few quotes around to create a negative article. Job done for the Mail though as they've got people sharing the article online and reading it, plenty have an agenda that it suits though and using the phrase 'real supporters' in any context is always asking for trouble and he should have known better than to use it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 29, 2017, 09:02:40 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 29, 2017, 07:04:56 PM
but for most part of the season he played a CH at RB (Dawson) a RB at LB (Nyom)
at times a LM at LB (Brunt)
do you think this suits the player and not the manager?

Dawson has proven himself an adequate right back, Nyom is equally adept at either full back position, Brunt has played left back many times as cover, that happens and is not a negative.

Its one of the easy lines to trot out about Pulis, but all managers play players in less favoured positions from time to time, as he gets the players he wants, it happens less and less, just a lazy criticism to use to suit an agenda.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on May 29, 2017, 09:42:33 PM
It's amazing how we stayed 8th for so long with two strikers, one who was out of form and the other who was basically a Championship winger. Hope Pulis gets backed with a few quality additions to really take us forward. Top manager, top bloke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on May 29, 2017, 09:59:03 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 29, 2017, 09:02:40 PM
Dawson has proven himself an adequate right back, Nyom is equally adept at either full back position, Brunt has played left back many times as cover, that happens and is not a negative.

Its one of the easy lines to trot out about Pulis, but all managers play players in less favoured positions from time to time, as he gets the players he wants, it happens less and less, just a lazy criticism to use to suit an agenda.
so you agree he plays players out of position
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 29, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on May 29, 2017, 09:59:03 PM
so you agree he plays players out of position

Only when forced to by injury or suspension, just like most other managers in the football world.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 29, 2017, 10:30:28 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 29, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Only when forced to by injury or suspension, just like most other managers in the football world.

Were you able to keep a straight face whilst saying that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 29, 2017, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 29, 2017, 10:30:28 PM
Were you able to keep a straight face whilst saying that?

It's ok he had his fingers crossed behind his back.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 29, 2017, 10:51:23 PM
I should hope so, with Dawson having played out of position for the entirety of his tenure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: P Anderson on May 29, 2017, 11:17:22 PM
I just don't get the love for TP. He is only the second manager we have had with premiership experience. I would expect most coaches with the same amount of time in the job, to do the same if not better.
Albion is a very stable club in the top league. We have good financial clout, a strong youth academy, a strong traditional fan base, and many other great foundations in place.
The fact that we haven't had a manager with prior prem experience since Roy, speaks volumes to me on how we're run under the old order.

Surely there can't  be a better time to change OUR whole mentality and want more than playing fo 38 draws a season.

We have a small squad that needs some major work. Perfect timing for a new Head Coach, new players,new ideas. We will probably have to do this when he goes anyway as the squad will be full of utility players.

Tony pulis sees us as a relegation battler every season, I just think we should want more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on May 29, 2017, 11:35:24 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on May 29, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Only when forced to by injury or suspension, just like most other managers in the football world.

What about players like chadli?

His best games for us so far have been just behind the striker... yet he is now played on the wing where he is very poor, yes phillips is out but we do have a young promising winger in Leko who pulis bangs on about needing game time!

We also have HRK and McClean who can fill in that position and probably do a better job than chadli there.

When most other managers in the football world play players out of position because of injuries or suspensions... its usually due to the fact they have no other options and/or they can play half decent there..... with pulis, he DOES have options and he puts the worst option there and leaves a big gap in the middle of the field behind the striker... an area we seem to be struggling in getting support for rondon instead of him having to hold off 4 players at a time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hillsm on May 30, 2017, 12:11:12 AM
I'm very content with the work TP has done since his arrival.

We were desperate for him at the time of his appointment when we were sinking with Irvine at the helm, he steadied the ship and retained our PL status.
He has guided us through the uncertain waters that change of ownership entails and we continue to head in the direction of stability.

Overall the football has improved and I believe this will continue to be the case. I don't see anyone quoting statistics for the number of games played without a shot on target which seemed to be mantra this time last year in this thread.

The stick that was used to beat him about never finishing in the top half can no longer be used, instead his detractors are blaming him for not holding onto eighth position in the league standings and his post- 40 points history of results - something that would never had been on their agenda had we not finished in the top half. No doubt that too will be put to bed in the coming seasons as he has chance to refine the playing squad.

I'm actually proud that he his building a team around British players. It should be admired that he is assembling a squad with a British core that is able to hold its own in the most competitive league against teams that cherry pick overseas talent and stunt the development of British players. The people that criticise this are probably the same hypocrites who spout bile and vitriol about immigration and were misled into voting for Brexit.

Keep up the good work Tony and hurry up signing that well deserved contract extension.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 30, 2017, 05:43:56 AM
Quote from: hillsm on May 30, 2017, 12:11:12 AM
I'm very content with the work TP has done since his arrival.

We were desperate for him at the time of his appointment when we were sinking with Irvine at the helm, he steadied the ship and retained our PL status.
He has guided us through the uncertain waters that change of ownership entails and we continue to head in the direction of stability.

Overall the football has improved and I believe this will continue to be the case. I don't see anyone quoting statistics for the number of games played without a shot on target which seemed to be mantra this time last year in this thread.

The stick that was used to beat him about never finishing in the top half can no longer be used, instead his detractors are blaming him for not holding onto eighth position in the league standings and his post- 40 points history of results - something that would never had been on their agenda had we not finished in the top half. No doubt that too will be put to bed in the coming seasons as he has chance to refine the playing squad.

I'm actually proud that he his building a team around British players. It should be admired that he is assembling a squad with a British core that is able to hold its own in the most competitive league against teams that cherry pick overseas talent and stunt the development of British players. The people that criticise this are probably the same hypocrites who spout bile and vitriol about immigration and were misled into voting for Brexit.

Keep up the good work Tony and hurry up signing that well deserved contract extension.
Good post, but pleeeeeeeeeease don't bring politics into it :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on May 30, 2017, 06:06:53 AM
Quote from: hillsm on May 30, 2017, 12:11:12 AM
The people that criticise this are probably the same hypocrites who spout bile and vitriol about immigration and were misled into voting for Brexit.


Contender for "most ridiculous quote of the season" competition
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 30, 2017, 07:32:47 AM
Quote from: hillsm on May 30, 2017, 12:11:12 AM
I'm very content with the work TP has done since his arrival.

We were desperate for him at the time of his appointment when we were sinking with Irvine at the helm, he steadied the ship and retained our PL status.
He has guided us through the uncertain waters that change of ownership entails and we continue to head in the direction of stability.

Overall the football has improved and I believe this will continue to be the case. I don't see anyone quoting statistics for the number of games played without a shot on target which seemed to be mantra this time last year in this thread.

The stick that was used to beat him about never finishing in the top half can no longer be used, instead his detractors are blaming him for not holding onto eighth position in the league standings and his post- 40 points history of results - something that would never had been on their agenda had we not finished in the top half. No doubt that too will be put to bed in the coming seasons as he has chance to refine the playing squad.

I'm actually proud that he his building a team around British players. It should be admired that he is assembling a squad with a British core that is able to hold its own in the most competitive league against teams that cherry pick overseas talent and stunt the development of British players. The people that criticise this are probably the same hypocrites who spout bile and vitriol about immigration and were misled into voting for Brexit.

Keep up the good work Tony and hurry up signing that well deserved contract extension.


how many more times we wasnt misled. anyway back to Pulis, real fans your having a laugh mate and your driving folk away. you have served your purpose, you have a shelf life wherever you go. its time for you to save another team and bore its supporters, thanks for keeping us up the season you came in. we now have a good financial backer but you cant be trusted with his money and not many footballers want to come here and play your style. go do a job for Rotherham. your interviews are just has boring as your football. i would quite happily sacrifice greed league football to watch my team play football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 30, 2017, 09:37:26 AM
Quote from: hillsm on May 30, 2017, 12:11:12 AM
I'm very content with the work TP has done since his arrival.

We were desperate for him at the time of his appointment when we were sinking with Irvine at the helm, he steadied the ship and retained our PL status.
He has guided us through the uncertain waters that change of ownership entails and we continue to head in the direction of stability.

Overall the football has improved and I believe this will continue to be the case. I don't see anyone quoting statistics for the number of games played without a shot on target which seemed to be mantra this time last year in this thread.

The stick that was used to beat him about never finishing in the top half can no longer be used, instead his detractors are blaming him for not holding onto eighth position in the league standings and his post- 40 points history of results - something that would never had been on their agenda had we not finished in the top half. No doubt that too will be put to bed in the coming seasons as he has chance to refine the playing squad.

I'm actually proud that he his building a team around British players. It should be admired that he is assembling a squad with a British core that is able to hold its own in the most competitive league against teams that cherry pick overseas talent and stunt the development of British players. The people that criticise this are probably the same hypocrites who spout bile and vitriol about immigration and were misled into voting for Brexit.

Keep up the good work Tony and hurry up signing that well deserved contract extension.

great post up until the penultimate sentence (highlighted) which completely undermined what was a reasonable argument. Shame that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 30, 2017, 10:26:54 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 29, 2017, 10:51:23 PM
I should hope so, with Dawson having played out of position for the entirety of his tenure.

Just as well in my opinion given his recent displays at centre half  :-X .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 30, 2017, 10:41:20 AM
Quote from: hillsm on May 30, 2017, 12:11:12 AM
I'm very content with the work TP has done since his arrival.

We were desperate for him at the time of his appointment when we were sinking with Irvine at the helm, he steadied the ship and retained our PL status.
He has guided us through the uncertain waters that change of ownership entails and we continue to head in the direction of stability.

Overall the football has improved and I believe this will continue to be the case. I don't see anyone quoting statistics for the number of games played without a shot on target which seemed to be mantra this time last year in this thread.

The stick that was used to beat him about never finishing in the top half can no longer be used, instead his detractors are blaming him for not holding onto eighth position in the league standings and his post- 40 points history of results - something that would never had been on their agenda had we not finished in the top half. No doubt that too will be put to bed in the coming seasons as he has chance to refine the playing squad.

I'm actually proud that he his building a team around British players. It should be admired that he is assembling a squad with a British core that is able to hold its own in the most competitive league against teams that cherry pick overseas talent and stunt the development of British players. The people that criticise this are probably the same hypocrites who spout bile and vitriol about immigration and were misled into voting for Brexit.

Keep up the good work Tony and hurry up signing that well deserved contract extension.

Whilst I have similar sentiments to you on most of your post. I have to disagree with you on the highlighted bit. Posters complained that we were on the beach last season too after we hit 40 points and we didn't get a top half finish last season so I'm sure posters would have been mentioning it this season too.
The fact that we didn't finish 8th despite having been there for 3 months should make fans angry.  We should have been able to finish a strong 8th with something like 53 points but the football that was on show from March to the seasons end was very poor and relegation form.We got 5 points from the 36 available.
Before the season started I would have been very happy with 10th but the reality is that 10th place feels like a let down, especially as a draw with Swansea would have seen us get 8th as would a win at Burnley; two results which a defensively sound side should have been able to get with 4 minutes to go.

I personally couldn't care less how many British players we have. I'd prefer us to sign good quality players regardless of nationality and to be looking far and wide to get them.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 30, 2017, 11:13:32 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 30, 2017, 10:41:20 AM
Whilst I have similar sentiments to you on most of your post. I have to disagree with you on the highlighted bit. Posters complained that we were on the beach last season too after we hit 40 points and we didn't get a top half finish last season so I'm sure posters would have been mentioning it this season too.
The fact that we didn't finish 8th despite having been there for 3 months should make fans angry.  We should have been able to finish a strong 8th with something like 53 points but the football that was on show from March to the seasons end was very poor and relegation form.We got 5 points from the 36 available.
Before the season started I would have been very happy with 10th but the reality is that 10th place feels like a let down, especially as a draw with Swansea would have seen us get 8th as would a win at Burnley; two results which a defensively sound side should have been able to get with 4 minutes to go.

I personally couldn't care less how many British players we have. I'd prefer us to sign good quality players regardless of nationality and to be looking far and wide to get them.

Players have individual contract bonus clauses etc to further enhance their pay and there will most likely be a general club bonus pool too.

I remember reading a newspaper article during the mid 80's which stated we offered a very competitive basic wage in top flight terms for the time.

However, it also stated we were among the worst for incentives and bonuses.

While I realise we pay nothing like the top boys our wage bill has risen markedly over recent seasons.

I would love to see a break down of the player's current bonuses/incentives to offer a comparison with clubs around us in the table.

From memory the article mentioned was written just prior to our relegation and the 'dark years' which ensued  :-X .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 30, 2017, 11:18:30 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on May 30, 2017, 11:13:32 AM
Players have individual contract bonus clauses etc to further enhance their pay and there will most likely be a general club bonus pool too.

I remember reading a newspaper article during the mid 80's which stated we offered a very competitive basic wage in top flight terms for the time.

However, it also stated we were among the worst for incentives and bonuses.

While I realise we pay nothing like the top boys our wage bill has risen markedly over recent seasons.

I would love to see a break down of the player's current bonuses/incentives to offer a comparison with clubs around us in the table.

From memory the article mentioned was written just prior to our relegation and the 'dark years' which ensued  :-X .

Fully Agree, it would be interesting to understand how "survival bonus" compares to "higher position achieved bonus". 2015-16 & 2016-17 results would suggest its not "balanced" correctly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 30, 2017, 11:19:54 AM
Quote from: hillsm on May 30, 2017, 12:11:12 AM

I'm actually proud that he his building a team around British players. It should be admired that he is assembling a squad with a British core that is able to hold its own in the most competitive league against teams that cherry pick overseas talent and stunt the development of British players.


I think this right here is a prime example as to why so many fans get it wrong in what they look for (yes, everyone is welcome to their opinion, but some opinions are evidently ill-informed). Have a read of "Why England lose", it's a good book about common "facts" in football that are just wrong. Your example about having hard working Brits is a top issue in it.

I couldn't care less where people are from, or indeed how hard they work. Would i rather have a laconic Berbatov or a super hard working Simon Cox?

Almost all of Pulis' credit comes from the fact it's a hard working and dynamic style to watch, guys throwing themselves at blocks and having huge running stats.

I'd rather have a team who went away to bottom half teams looking to win, rather than looking to get a 0-0, going down to a goal after the onslaught of pressure and then struggling to fluke an equaliser. I don't care about their passport, or their work ethic, i care about their skill and how they use that skill.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 30, 2017, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on May 30, 2017, 11:19:54 AM
I think this right here is a prime example as to why so many fans get it wrong in what they look for (yes, everyone is welcome to their opinion, but some opinions are evidently ill-informed). Have a read of "Why England lose", it's a good book about common "facts" in football that are just wrong. Your example about having hard working Brits is a top issue in it.

I couldn't care less where people are from, or indeed how hard they work. Would i rather have a laconic Berbatov or a super hard working Simon Cox?

Almost all of Pulis' credit comes from the fact it's a hard working and dynamic style to watch, guys throwing themselves at blocks and having huge running stats.

I'd rather have a team who went away to bottom half teams looking to win, rather than looking to get a 0-0, going down to a goal after the onslaught of pressure and then struggling to fluke an equaliser. I don't care about their passport, or their work ethic, i care about their skill and how they use that skill.
I remember Berbatov strolling around the centre circle at the hawthorns (for fulham) and he destroyed us, languid is a great word to describe his physical attitude there was also an arrogance borne from total confidence that he was a cut above our lads.
Trevor Francis / Luca Modric / Berbatov are 3 of the greatest midfield displays I have ever seen at the hawthorns
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 30, 2017, 11:47:22 AM
Quote from: Wollastonbaggie on May 30, 2017, 06:06:53 AM

Contender for "most ridiculous quote of the season" competition

Disagree with you - I think it is a clear winner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on May 30, 2017, 12:28:18 PM
I remember a quote from Don Howe, that Albion was a 'very difficult club to manage'. I was too young to understand the context at the time, but the quote has always stuck with me. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 30, 2017, 12:33:47 PM
Quote from: alex1 on May 30, 2017, 12:28:18 PM
I remember a quote from Don Howe, that Albion was a 'very difficult club to manage'. I was too young to understand the context at the time, but the quote has always stuck with me.

Under the old guard and their predecessors I can well believe it. However, with our current new owner and chairman, only time will tell...........

For me this is a big year coming up both for TP and the owners..........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on May 30, 2017, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on May 30, 2017, 12:33:47 PM
Under the old guard and their predecessors I can well believe it. However, with our current new owner and chairman, only time will tell...........

For me this is a big year coming up both for TP and the owners..........
New owner, new chairman, lots of recent staff recruitment. Managers, coaches  & players are all transient nowadays, the only element that has links to the heritage of the club are the fans and our influence is close to zero.
Lets hope we are able to succeed in maintaining our clubs traditions in a way that so many have failed under similar circumstances.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on June 01, 2017, 08:22:31 PM
Report in Birmingham Mail saying Pulis considering his options after losing Fletcher.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on June 01, 2017, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Legend on June 01, 2017, 08:22:31 PM
Report in Birmingham Mail saying Pulis considering his options after losing Fletcher.

I'm liking today so far I must say
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on June 01, 2017, 08:39:28 PM
Quote from: vrabbit on June 01, 2017, 08:37:01 PM
I'm liking today so far I must say



You must be mad. Dreadful day, weakened by best captain in years to leave and now it seems the manager. I just don't get it, crazy comments and I'll remind you when were relegated
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on June 01, 2017, 08:45:02 PM
What is a ridiculous thought is that TP would be considering his position because he loses his capt to Stoke. His commitment is 1" deep if that is the case. Pulis is no doubt upset but thats a long way from considering his position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on June 01, 2017, 08:50:48 PM
To be honest that Mirror article is a complete joke article as you would probably expect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on June 01, 2017, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: wimbledon baggie on June 01, 2017, 08:45:02 PM
What is a ridiculous thought is that TP would be considering his position because he loses his capt to Stoke. His commitment is 1" deep if that is the case. Pulis is no doubt upset but thats a long way from considering his position.
I think there might be something in it my phone went crazy when the Fletcher story broke and i said to them all something is afoot and Pulis will be next! could just be wishful thinking though, no i honestly think Pulis wants out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on June 01, 2017, 09:03:09 PM
Quote from: Legend on June 01, 2017, 08:22:31 PM
Report in Birmingham Mail saying Pulis considering his options after losing Fletcher.

As I've said previously, I don't think Pulis will walk as he's not in the strongest of positions in terms of money. To get another Premier League job he would have to wait until the first sacking which would probably be around Christmas, and even then at that point he's not guaranteed the job, and if he did somehow get relegated at said club it would be a financially bad decision for him.

I imagine he is genuinely angry at Fletcher leaving though, because it was quite evident that he rated him highly - but I think Pulis isn't in a great position of power.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albertbaggie on June 01, 2017, 09:57:50 PM
Quote from: Legend on June 01, 2017, 08:22:31 PM
Report in Birmingham Mail saying Pulis considering his options after losing Fletcher.
Another example of how poor the Birmingham Mail has become. None of his quotes about Fletcher suggest that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 01, 2017, 11:05:11 PM
I will drive you for  free tone to your next destination
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on June 01, 2017, 11:07:22 PM
whatever he intends to do we need it sorted out quickly, the club has enough problems this summer with the squad needing major changes. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on June 01, 2017, 11:44:54 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on June 01, 2017, 11:07:22 PM
whatever he intends to do we need it sorted out quickly, the club has enough problems this summer with the squad needing major changes.

Sadly Tony will only do what suits Tony... last day before the season starts would not surprise me  >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on June 01, 2017, 11:47:11 PM
Quote from: Aixelsyd on June 01, 2017, 11:44:54 PM
Sadly Tony will only do what suits Tony... last day before the season starts would not surprise me  >:(
this.is so bang on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on June 01, 2017, 11:50:44 PM
Sadly there is nothing of substance in any of these reports about Pulis considering his future. A bit of kite flying to see if there are any interested parties out there willing to pay more than the £2m a year he earns at the Albion, unlikely so he'll be with us next season in all probability.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 01, 2017, 11:51:54 PM
If he did walk (please there is a god) I would be the first in the que to renew
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on June 02, 2017, 12:10:12 AM
Quote from: Topman on June 01, 2017, 08:39:28 PM


You must be mad. Dreadful day, weakened by best captain in years to leave and now it seems the manager. I just don't get it, crazy comments and I'll remind you when were relegated

I agree with this. If Pulis goes as well as Fletcher then I'll be worried for our season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on June 02, 2017, 12:22:46 AM
Quote from: BB74 on June 02, 2017, 12:10:12 AM
I agree with this. If Pulis goes as well as Fletcher then I'll be worried for our season.

I continue to be baffled by the freakout over losing a captain who was no longer good enough to be in the starting XI, especially when the roster has plenty of age/experience and players capable of carrying on with the captaincy. I also can't decide whether folks are worried about losing TP or the club's ability to find a suitable replacement. I strongly disagree with the notion that losing both Fletcher/Pulis this summer would lead to relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on June 02, 2017, 01:54:14 AM
Is the reason Tony is open to other vacancies  anything  to do with meeting with owners and the transfer budget  available?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 02, 2017, 05:18:15 AM
Quote from: Aixelsyd on June 01, 2017, 11:44:54 PM
Sadly Tony will only do what suits Tony... last day before the season starts would not surprise me  >:(
No chance
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on June 02, 2017, 07:47:01 AM
Got to love the wishful thinking on this thread   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on June 02, 2017, 08:08:17 AM
Think the china link in the mirror article is interesting. Could probably get a nice signing fee over there to pay off palace. Personally can't see him staying
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 02, 2017, 08:18:11 AM
Quote from: Albertbaggie on June 01, 2017, 09:57:50 PM
Another example of how poor the Birmingham Mail has become. None of his quotes about Fletcher suggest that.
Totally agree. there is no substance in the piece/story to suggest Pulis is wanting out. He even says something along the lines of "We offered Fletcher a good contract, he chose to go elsewhere, that's football"...hardly sounds like a man looking to leave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on June 02, 2017, 08:40:44 AM
Can't help feeling that there's something going on behind the scenes.
The Fletcher move has happened quite quickly.
Offered a new contract.
No thanks.
Left.
Given that Pulis and Fletcher appeared to be quite close, I'm wondering whether Pulis gave Fletcher some direction on the future movements at the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on June 02, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
What? And advised him to join a club where they really don't like him?

I think it is purely because its closer to home, he knows his legs have gone, he can be on the bench at Stoke without any shame and they were daft enough to offer him 2 years.

For DF to go from capt to bench warmer/squad player was always going to be very difficult. The easiest way out is to leave which is what he has done.

I think it is good for us and him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 02, 2017, 09:09:09 AM
As I said before, so long as we do not end up with any Stoke chaff in return, I am more than happy with it.

If we see any of Shawcross, Whelan, Adam or Walters come in our direction, I will be less than amused.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on June 02, 2017, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: BB74 on June 02, 2017, 12:10:12 AM
I agree with this. If Pulis goes as well as Fletcher then I'll be worried for our season.

If we went through to the start of the season with the current squad then yes of course, but bloody hell, bit of a knee jerk reaction that isn't it? Obviously we'll buy players and fletch will be replaced. If Pulis goes he will be replaced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on June 02, 2017, 10:00:22 AM
If we lose Pulis over this, then its a good thing he goes as it demonstrates a complete lack of commitment to the club.

My greater concern is that TP could be using this as a smokescreen for any dispute with board & or owners over funding / transfer decision making processes.
Its well documented that TP "demands" the last word on transfers, yet apparently we pay £900k /yr for someone else to head up recruitment and contracts.

On no basis whatsoever I think we could be witnessing the start of yet another power struggle which John Williams needs to sort out sharpish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on June 02, 2017, 10:51:01 AM
Quote from: wimbledon baggie on June 02, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
What? And advised him to join a club where they really don't like him?

I think it is purely because its closer to home, he knows his legs have gone, he can be on the bench at Stoke without any shame and they were daft enough to offer him 2 years.

For DF to go from capt to bench warmer/squad player was always going to be very difficult. The easiest way out is to leave which is what he has done.

I think it is good for us and him.

I don't think he walks from Cheshire to West Brom!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on June 02, 2017, 10:54:05 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on June 02, 2017, 10:51:01 AM
I don't think he walks from Cheshire to West Brom!
Haha although that would explain some of his performances!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on June 02, 2017, 11:09:35 AM
Quote from: Albionic on June 02, 2017, 10:00:22 AM
If we lose Pulis over this, then its a good thing he goes as it demonstrates a complete lack of commitment to the club.

My greater concern is that TP could be using this as a smokescreen for any dispute with board & or owners over funding / transfer decision making processes.
Its well documented that TP "demands" the last word on transfers, yet apparently we pay £900k /yr for someone else to head up recruitment and contracts.

On no basis whatsoever I think we could be witnessing the start of yet another power struggle which John Williams needs to sort out sharpish.

I'm wondering if Pulis has been told to make more use of the Academy players. He's been given a fund to buy a couple of experienced players, but the balance has to come from the Aacdemy?.

I was doing a trawl on the companies house website recently, & it does show a director having a salary of £900k per year plus a pension contribution of £20k per year under the WBA Holdings company. It goes on to say that the director considers the "directors" of the subsidiary companies are "Managers" & their salaries are listed collectively in a single entry. I assumed that the director was JP.
In the present format GL is not an officer of any of the companies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrumpyBaggie on June 02, 2017, 11:20:53 AM
Quote from: Albertbaggie on June 01, 2017, 09:57:50 PM
Another example of how poor the Birmingham Mail has become. None of his quotes about Fletcher suggest that.

I have given up accessing the Birmingham Mail website - it loads up so much rubbish that it takes ages to read the article - and to put the icing on the cake it knackers the browser even after you close the page, so that you have to reload it. 

To stay on topic, delighted Fletcher is going (always assuming he is of course), he may be good off the field but on it he is increasingly becoming a liability.  at 33 his best days are long gone.  I really wish Pulis would follow him, but he is too skint after his dubious financial dealings with Palace to walk, I cannot see any other Premier club being daft enough to employ him, and I also can't see out financially motivated management having the balls to sack him.  Why anyone should buy a season ticket I really cannot imagine.  Much cheaper watching paint dry.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on June 02, 2017, 11:41:51 AM
At best, this is a "come and get me"story

He can't walk out without somewhere to go, and someone to pay the compensation we would be entitled to. Don't forget the rather large invoice from Crystal Palace which has likely dented his pension pot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on June 02, 2017, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: Doobuy on June 02, 2017, 11:41:51 AM
At best, this is a "come and get me"story

He can't walk out without somewhere to go, and someone to pay the compensation we would be entitled to. Don't forget the rather large invoice from Crystal Palace which has likely dented his pension pot.

I'd agree with that.
We all know Tone has a habit of letting things slip to the media (see Berahino drugs debacle)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 02, 2017, 12:37:03 PM
Wherever he goes if he does hes got a shelf life before most the natives get restless with his tedious brand. he be best suited to the wales job
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 02, 2017, 12:49:03 PM
wales play what an average of 8 games a year, ideal that for Tone i would say
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on June 02, 2017, 01:03:55 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on June 02, 2017, 12:49:03 PM
wales play what an average of 8 games a year, ideal that for Tone i would say

Wish you wouldn't put thoughts into my head...getting my hopes us  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 02, 2017, 01:06:31 PM
we must encourage him taking the wales job, his style with the amount of games would suit most folk. it could even pay off for wales
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on June 02, 2017, 01:13:50 PM
Wales would not pay well enough full stop. TP also doesn't like sitting on his backside.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on June 02, 2017, 01:18:46 PM
Whatever happens I read somewhere that TP's contracted to us until October 2018.

If he wants out of his £2mill' pay packet it's going to cost another club a chunk of compensation.

That or he can look froward to a fair amount of gardening leave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 03, 2017, 10:16:32 PM
The longer he stays , the less likely we will attract any decent ball passing footballers. Your shelf life is mouldy Tony please go before you accuse more folk of being keyboard warriors
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on June 04, 2017, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on June 03, 2017, 10:16:32 PM
The longer he stays , the less likely we will attract any decent ball passing footballers. Your shelf life is mouldy Tony please go before you accuse more folk of being keyboard warriors

There will be plenty of good footballers who we can attract. We signed Chadli last Summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on June 04, 2017, 01:29:50 PM
Quote from: Legend on June 04, 2017, 01:03:43 PM
There will be plenty of good footballers who we can attract. We signed Chadli last Summer.

We did indeed, we also had a pretty decent Chadli until pulis sucked the football out of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on June 04, 2017, 01:46:23 PM
Chadli is a perfect example of how Pulis sucks the life out of good footballers.

When was the last time we had such a brilliantly technically gifted player like him in our ranks, yet we are quite happy to see him benched or subbed most games.

Our team should be built around players like him.

Said it before and I'll say it again. If Bournemouth with 50% of our gates, a tiny budget, a tiny fan base, far less experience at this level, can finish above us despite us having the patron saint of keeping teams in the league than here's something wrong with us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on June 04, 2017, 02:13:35 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on June 04, 2017, 01:46:23 PM
Chadli is a perfect example of how Pulis sucks the life out of good footballers.

When was the last time we had such a brilliantly technically gifted player like him in our ranks, yet we are quite happy to see him benched or subbed most games.

Our team should be built around players like him.

Said it before and I'll say it again. If Bournemouth with 50% of our gates, a tiny budget, a tiny fan base, far less experience at this level, can finish above us despite us having the patron saint of keeping teams in the league than here's something wrong with us.
Bournemouth have a huge budget , bank rolled quietly by a russian billionaire. Just look at some of the money the have spent the last 3 years on some average players at best.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on June 04, 2017, 04:01:18 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on June 04, 2017, 01:46:23 PM
Chadli is a perfect example of how Pulis sucks the life out of good footballers.

When was the last time we had such a brilliantly technically gifted player like him in our ranks, yet we are quite happy to see him benched or subbed most games.

Our team should be built around players like him.

Said it before and I'll say it again. If Bournemouth with 50% of our gates, a tiny budget, a tiny fan base, far less experience at this level, can finish above us despite us having the patron saint of keeping teams in the league than here's something wrong with us.
It's easy to blame Pulis if a talented player under performs for a period. Chadli has to take some responsibility for his own form. He missed a few chances and looked a bit too laid back at times. He could do with showing a bit more determination to impose himself games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on June 04, 2017, 07:10:26 PM
Quote from: Dexy on June 04, 2017, 02:13:35 PM
Bournemouth have a huge budget , bank rolled quietly by a russian billionaire. Just look at some of the money the have spent the last 3 years on some average players at best.

Demon is worth "only" £100m. Peace was worth just shy of that before he sold so that puts that theory into perspective.

Why we Albion fans settle for the football and the negative mindset of "let's just stay up" yet Bournemouth play some of the best football in the league AND still finish above us without ever flirting with relegation baffles me.

I suppose Pulis will always split the fans, but I want more from my club than what we are currently served up, and it's possible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 04, 2017, 08:17:38 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on June 04, 2017, 07:10:26 PM
Demon is worth "only" £100m. Peace was worth just shy of that before he sold so that puts that theory into perspective.

Why we Albion fans settle for the football and the negative mindset of "let's just stay up" yet Bournemouth play some of the best football in the league AND still finish above us without ever flirting with relegation baffles me.

I suppose Pulis will always split the fans, but I want more from my club than what we are currently served up, and it's possible.

Fact is Bournemouth did flirt with relegation, yes they got above us, but as someone who lives on the south coast, safety was only assured late in the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on June 04, 2017, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on June 04, 2017, 08:17:38 PM
Fact is Bournemouth did flirt with relegation, yes they got above us, but as someone who lives on the south coast, safety was only assured late in the season.

Only cements my theory even more then that you don't have to play 10 behind the ball, long ball, look for set-pieces and play for 0-0's in every away game to have a successful season.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 04, 2017, 09:51:38 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on June 04, 2017, 08:17:38 PM
Fact is Bournemouth did flirt with relegation, yes they got above us, but as someone who lives on the south coast, safety was only assured late in the season.

Which makes the fact that we finished below them that much more of an embarrassment as we were safe for the majority of the season and a good number of points clear of them with weeks to go.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on June 04, 2017, 10:03:02 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on June 04, 2017, 07:10:26 PM
Demon is worth "only" £100m. Peace was worth just shy of that before he sold so that puts that theory into perspective.

Why we Albion fans settle for the football and the negative mindset of "let's just stay up" yet Bournemouth play some of the best football in the league AND still finish above us without ever flirting with relegation baffles me.

I suppose Pulis will always split the fans, but I want more from my club than what we are currently served up, and it's possible.
As most should know JP ran the club as self generated money , Bournemouth's owner puts money straight in. Two totally different methods.
Not that I'm defending how we set up on the field most of the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on June 05, 2017, 06:57:18 AM
Sorry Bournemouth have a budget that is the same as ours or even less. The  wage bill for their first year in the Premier League was £60m compared to our £74m. No doubt their payroll has increased this year but then again so has ours. Their owner subsidised them in the Championship but is no longer putting money in as they are making money in the Premier League, as all clubs should given the scale of the money flowing into their coffers.

Bournemouth finished above us and as Pulis' supporters seem to insist that only whole seasons count the fact that they were at one stage flirting with relegation does not matter. However they play football with a squad that still has some fairly limited players in it and even though some of their more expensive signings have flopped completely e.g. Ibe and largely through injury Mings.

Equally had we signed Josh King on a free from Blackburn I can imagine the howls of anguish about us not backing Pulis and doing things on the cheap, as there were when we were linked with Matt Richie. These players have made massive contributions to Bournemouth's success. Sorry if they don't need to play dull defensive football to finish above us then nor do we. Bournemouth expose Pulis for the timorous wee creature he is. Oh and for a large part of the season they had 2 fit strikers

Simply it doesn't have to be this way. No excuses. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on June 05, 2017, 07:18:08 AM
Quote from: Standaman on June 05, 2017, 06:57:18 AM
Sorry Bournemouth have a budget that is the same as ours or even less. The  wage bill for their first year in the Premier League was £60m compared to our £74m. No doubt their payroll has increased this year but then again so has ours. Their owner subsidised them in the Championship but is no longer putting money in as they are making money in the Premier League, as all clubs should given the scale of the money flowing into their coffers.

Bournemouth finished above us and as Pulis' supporters seem to insist that only whole seasons count the fact that they were at one stage flirting with relegation does not matter. However they play football with a squad that still has some fairly limited players in it and even though some of their more expensive signings have flopped completely e.g. Ibe and largely through injury Mings.

Equally had we signed Josh King on a free from Blackburn I can imagine the howls of anguish about us not backing Pulis and doing things on the cheap, as there were when we were linked with Matt Richie. These players have made massive contributions to Bournemouth's success. Sorry if they don't need to play dull defensive football to finish above us then nor do we. Bournemouth expose Pulis for the timorous wee creature he is. Oh and for a large part of the season they had 2 fit strikers

Simply it doesn't have to be this way. No excuses.

Very good points although didn't they sell Matt Ritchie to Newcastle?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on June 05, 2017, 08:30:29 AM
Quote from: Standaman on June 05, 2017, 06:57:18 AM
Sorry Bournemouth have a budget that is the same as ours or even less. The  wage bill for their first year in the Premier League was £60m compared to our £74m. No doubt their payroll has increased this year but then again so has ours. Their owner subsidised them in the Championship but is no longer putting money in as they are making money in the Premier League, as all clubs should given the scale of the money flowing into their coffers.

Bournemouth finished above us and as Pulis' supporters seem to insist that only whole seasons count the fact that they were at one stage flirting with relegation does not matter. However they play football with a squad that still has some fairly limited players in it and even though some of their more expensive signings have flopped completely e.g. Ibe and largely through injury Mings.

Equally had we signed Josh King on a free from Blackburn I can imagine the howls of anguish about us not backing Pulis and doing things on the cheap, as there were when we were linked with Matt Richie. These players have made massive contributions to Bournemouth's success. Sorry if they don't need to play dull defensive football to finish above us then nor do we. Bournemouth expose Pulis for the timorous wee creature he is. Oh and for a large part of the season they had 2 fit strikers

Simply it doesn't have to be this way. No excuses.
Point being Bournemouth have spent masses , and I don't buy your budget line( if they want a player they get them  while we don't simply). They barely finished above us , thats the way the money men will look at it, not how it should be but thats what counts. If i had a list of their players and how much I think it would raise an eyebrow or two.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 05, 2017, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on June 04, 2017, 09:51:38 PM
Which makes the fact that we finished below them that much more of an embarrassment as we were safe for the majority of the season and a good number of points clear of them with weeks to go.

Very, very true there mate god I dislike Pulis. I wonder what his last 10 weeks were like time for him to go
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on June 06, 2017, 12:16:43 PM
Yeah, I'm really annoyed we only finished 10th.  What a terrible season we've had.  If only we were scrapping with relegation, it would have been much better.

I just don't get it.  I'd have snatched your hand off for 10th before the season started considering the transfer window we had.  The team has done great to finish 10th but yeah, we could have finished a bit stronger but you know what?  Fair play to the lads for an outstanding season.  There's room for improvement but there always will be.

So what if Bournemouth finished above us (narrowly).  Have we got to the point now where we expect to finish above little Bournemouth?  The arrogance is staggering.  Fair play to Bournemouth for putting a great run together.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 06, 2017, 12:24:37 PM
5 points above 17th should have been better after the arsenal home game.  a damp squib end to an average points season,Football for most of it negative . he obviously switched off his motivation skills, how many transfer windows has he had now and i still hear its not his team :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on June 06, 2017, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on June 06, 2017, 12:24:37 PM
5 points above 17th should have been better after the arsenal home game.  a damp squib end to an average points season,Football for most of it negative . he obviously switched off his motivation skills, how many transfer windows has he had now and i still hear its not his team :o
I maintain TP does not motivate this squad, they motivate themselves and once the squad have achieved their objectives (40 points and another year of premier league wages) they relax and points become un-important.
Personally I would find boring defensive training and being incessantly bawled at de-motivating, the Michael owen interview on pulis summed it all up nicely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLUuQaBkXcs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 06, 2017, 02:31:45 PM
Quote from: Albionic on June 06, 2017, 01:17:44 PM
I maintain TP does not motivate this squad, they motivate themselves and once the squad have achieved their objectives (40 points and another year of premier league wages) they relax and points become un-important.
Personally I would find boring defensive training and being incessantly bawled at de-motivating, the Michael owen interview on pulis summed it all up nicely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLUuQaBkXcs


if thats the case no wonder why i aint renewed, player power agent power killing it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on June 06, 2017, 08:10:48 PM
Boring defensive training - I'm sure it's not just us doing it. I'll guess that Chelsea have spent a lot of time on their shape and organisation under Conte. They just happen to have Hazard and co. to spring into attack.
Woefully short of attacking options in our 2 striker (Rondon knackered, HRK so-so) and no Phillips set-up, that's what made sure we finished like a damp squib.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on June 06, 2017, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: Adder on June 06, 2017, 08:10:48 PM
Boring defensive training - I'm sure it's not just us doing it. I'll guess that Chelsea have spent a lot of time on their shape and organisation under Conte. They just happen to have Hazard and co. to spring into attack.
Woefully short of attacking options in our 2 striker (Rondon knackered, HRK so-so) and no Phillips set-up, that's what made sure we finished like a damp squib.
agree totally it didn't help, but what about the season before. surely it wont happen again will it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on June 06, 2017, 10:02:54 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on June 06, 2017, 09:21:30 PM
agree totally it didn't help, but what about the season before. surely it wont happen again will it?
fair question...last year it was Brunt out, Morrison out, Berahino fiasco (it was pre Phillips, Chadli), ...let's see what happens next year  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on June 06, 2017, 11:57:47 PM
Just read this...

"But Puel’s negative tactics made him unpopular with the majority of fans and his constant tinkering also alienated players including Republic of Ireland striker Shane Long and Serbian Dusan Tadic."

Why is it acceptable for them to act on negative tactics and aspire for more, but we all have to sit back and get through TP's dire tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on June 07, 2017, 12:52:47 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on June 06, 2017, 11:57:47 PM
Just read this...

"But Puel’s negative tactics made him unpopular with the majority of fans and his constant tinkering also alienated players including Republic of Ireland striker Shane Long and Serbian Dusan Tadic."

Why is it acceptable for them to act on negative tactics and aspire for more, but we all have to sit back and get through TP's dire tactics.
because  for the last decade  our budget  for transfers  has been of a team  that's  just been  promoted. And  pulls is perceived as a safe bet to keep  us in premier on a minimum  out lay, doesn't  matter  what tripe he serves up as long as we stay in greed league
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on June 07, 2017, 06:46:33 AM
Southampton and Watford can change Head Coaches at will without damaging the club because they don't have the British Gaffer model which entrenches the Manager in the club. In the continental model the people such as Director of Football, Head of Recruitment and in the case of Southampton Academy Coaches are at least as important and far likely to be long term appointments than the Head Coach.

The irony is that we pioneered the model in England and because we got the behind the scenes appointments wrong post Ashworth we appointed Pulis and have regressed back to a model which hands power to the manager and therefore makes it a lot more difficult to transition from one to another.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on June 07, 2017, 03:12:46 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on June 06, 2017, 11:57:47 PM
Just read this...

"But Puel’s negative tactics made him unpopular with the majority of fans and his constant tinkering also alienated players including Republic of Ireland striker Shane Long and Serbian Dusan Tadic."

Why is it acceptable for them to act on negative tactics and aspire for more, but we all have to sit back and get through TP's dire tactics.

If Puel didn't finish 17 points worse than last year and got out of the group stages in Europe he probably kept his job even with the poor football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on June 15, 2017, 03:45:53 PM
Everyone take a look at this.....

I'm saying nothing!!

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-west-brom-boss-tony-13191171
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on June 15, 2017, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on June 15, 2017, 03:45:53 PM
Everyone take a look at this.....

I'm saying nothing!!

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-west-brom-boss-tony-13191171

Pulis has got to be on a wind up there surely? 'British players only, players I've heard of and can trust' was a highlight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on June 15, 2017, 04:18:54 PM
Thats an old Video,but it did confirm the impression I have of him,when I first saw it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on June 15, 2017, 05:28:17 PM
Just shows how difficult it must be for our scouting network, you can just imagine therm suggesting all these players and him just rubbishing them all until we end up with HRK on dealine day.

As for Fletcher being the best player he's ever worked with... wow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on June 15, 2017, 06:23:36 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on June 15, 2017, 04:17:13 PM
Pulis has got to be on a wind up there surely? 'British players only, players I've heard of and can trust' was a highlight

Going for carroll over benzema  :'( :-[ :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2017, 06:27:14 PM
I still think that if the owners are not forthcoming with some serious cash very soon, then TP will walk, some posters on here will be deliriously happy, and we will be staring relegation if the face. I have no idea who would be prepared and able to come in and keep us up with our present squad, and very limited cash to spend. Of course there would be plenty of applicants but they would undoubtedly see us Championship bound.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2017, 06:37:09 PM
Quote from: Pie on June 15, 2017, 06:23:36 PM
Going for carroll over benzema  :'( :-[ :o
it's a game mate, a little humour, and TP in role play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on June 15, 2017, 06:50:02 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2017, 06:27:14 PM
I still think that if the owners are not forthcoming with some serious cash very soon, then TP will walk, some posters on here will be deliriously happy, and we will be staring relegation if the face. I have no idea who would be prepared and able to come in and keep us up with our present squad, and very limited cash to spend. Of course there would be plenty of applicants but they would undoubtedly see us Championship bound.
find it funny how tp is the only man in the world to be able to keep us above 17th...maybe a new man would attract better players and look out of the uk for talent i would happily take that risk and get rid
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2017, 07:02:20 PM
So you think that there are others who could take our present squad and say £40-50m and keep us safe ? really ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on June 15, 2017, 07:35:52 PM
Ive said this before and i'll say it again... this team is MORE than capable!! Even playing a more attacking brand, with a few additions we could be up there again!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on June 15, 2017, 07:36:13 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2017, 07:02:20 PM
So you think that there are others who could take our present squad and say £40-50m and keep us safe ? really ?

Comfortably. £40-50m spent by someone who isn't as close-minded as Pulis would get us 5 good first team starters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on June 15, 2017, 07:56:36 PM
We are not allowed to mention successor coaches while we have one but the list is pretty long and frankly I think we have to take the chance.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on June 15, 2017, 07:58:43 PM
Different context would be my arguement
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2017, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on June 15, 2017, 07:35:52 PM
Ive said this before and i'll say it again... this team is MORE than capable!! Even playing a more attacking brand, with a few additions we could be up there again!
What TEAM ? We have now lost Fletcher, and probably Morrison for the foreseeable. How many are we down to now ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on June 15, 2017, 08:50:42 PM
Foster
Nyom
Dawson
Macauley
Evans
Chadli
Phillips
Yacob
Livermore
Field
Rondon

That team are MORE than capable!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on June 15, 2017, 08:51:52 PM
Plus i also said... with a few additions! You add 3-4 quality players to that team and you have a top 8 side!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2017, 09:15:12 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on June 15, 2017, 08:50:42 PM
Foster
Nyom
Dawson
Macauley
Evans
Chadli
Phillips
Yacob
Livermore
Field
Rondon

That team are MORE than capable!!!
Like your optimism mate, just don't share it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on June 15, 2017, 09:33:58 PM
that team finished 10th... they cant be all that bad!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on June 15, 2017, 09:52:02 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on June 15, 2017, 09:33:58 PM
that team finished 10th... they cant be all that bad!

It's an average bunch that could easily go down with the wrong manager. Pulis overachieved with that lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on June 15, 2017, 10:02:10 PM
I disagree, with a decent forward thinking manager that team could easily finish on more points
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2017, 10:04:56 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on June 15, 2017, 09:33:58 PM
that team finished 10th... they cant be all that bad!
Take Gmac and his goals out and the defence as a unit is far too weak.
The excellent Phillips is unfortunately injury prone.
Rondon could not hit a cows backside with a banjo.
Fletcher was an almost ever present in the side that finished tenth.
The only thing that that group of players is capable of without Pulis's organisation, is relegation.
We need to spend 60-70 million to stand still.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on June 15, 2017, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2017, 10:04:56 PM
Take Gmac and his goals out and the defence as a unit is far too weak.
The excellent Phillips is unfortunately injury prone.
Rondon could not hit a cows backside with a banjo.
Fletcher was an almost ever present in the side that finished tenth.
The only thing that that group of players is capable of without Pulis's organisation, is relegation.
We need to spend 60-70 million to stand still.
if that's the case I think we will be going backwards, just cannot see us spending those sums. 60-70m would triple our usual outlay. lets see what our new owners intentions are but I have my doubts of major spending sprees.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on June 15, 2017, 11:16:07 PM
Pulis makes the job he undertakes harder by freezing out players, playing the same predictable frustrating negative tactics and only signing his stereotype players.

He has fashioned himself such an unbalanced squad that it would be a damn hard job for anybody coming In.

Whether he stays or he goes it's not an easy job as we have a starting 11 (vastly in need of improvement) and a few subs. I think a more creative braver manager with the right backing could see us beating our points total and even pursuing cup semi final/final appearances. I can't ever see past the same survivalist football of pulis.

He did what he was hired to do clear out dead wood stop the rot and stabilise us. He's done that time for him and us to move on for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on June 15, 2017, 11:56:05 PM
Smalling .the last of a long line of Fergy inspired pulis recruitments from Stoke to us,what will he do when Fergys fingerprint has long left Man Utd?creek and no paddle methinks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on June 16, 2017, 11:47:58 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2017, 10:04:56 PM
Take Gmac and his goals out and the defence as a unit is far too weak.
The excellent Phillips is unfortunately injury prone.
Rondon could not hit a cows backside with a banjo.
Fletcher was an almost ever present in the side that finished tenth.
The only thing that that group of players is capable of without Pulis's organisation, is relegation.
We need to spend 60-70 million to stand still.

How do you get to that logic?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 16, 2017, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on June 16, 2017, 11:47:58 AM
How do you get to that logic?
Good Centre Half £15-20 million.
2 DECENT strikers £30 million
Good box to box midfielder £15 million
Not to mention DECENT squad fillers.
Just take a look at the deals so far Maguire £17M
                                                   Klaassen £23M
                                                   Mooy - Who? £10M
Other clubs set the market and we either join in or fall by the wayside.
We need to show intent in order to keep Jonny Evans, not to mention our support base.
Unfortunately sending out a first choice midfield which includes Morrison, Brunt and Yacob TOGETHER is suicide.
I haven't even mentioned full backs and a backup keeper, is that enough. 
Unfortunately for me I cannot give up my love for the club, I have my season ticket and I will support 11 donkeys on the pitch, I am just hoping I don't have to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on June 16, 2017, 12:45:29 PM
How we going to afford all those extra wages with the financial fair play wage cap?????? can somebody please answer that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 16, 2017, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on June 16, 2017, 12:45:29 PM
How we going to afford all those extra wages with the financial fair play wage cap?????? can somebody please answer that
Does not look good does it Roy ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on June 16, 2017, 12:48:38 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on June 16, 2017, 12:37:24 PM
Good Centre Half £15-20 million.
2 DECENT strikers £30 million
Good box to box midfielder £15 million
Not to mention DECENT squad fillers.
Just take a look at the deals so far Maguire £17M
                                                   Klaassen £23M
                                                   Mooy - Who? £10M
Other clubs set the market and we either join in or fall by the wayside.
We need to show intent in order to keep Jonny Evans, not to mention our support base.
Unfortunately sending out a first choice midfield which includes Morrison, Brunt and Yacob TOGETHER is suicide.
I haven't even mentioned full backs and a backup keeper, is that enough. 
Unfortunately for me I cannot give up my love for the club, I have my season ticket and I will support 11 donkeys on the pitch, I am just hoping I don't have to.

I meant the bit where you mention we would go down without Pulis' organisation.

Im different, i believe our squad could actually finish top 8 and challenge for a cup if Pulis' shackles were removed.

Yes we need strengthening, 4-6 players, but with th right recruitment this club could easily finish top 10 each season with eyes on Europe and Trophies if we showed a little ambition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 16, 2017, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on June 16, 2017, 12:45:29 PM
How we going to afford all those extra wages with the financial fair play wage cap?????? can somebody please answer that
That is the trouble being skin flint frugals in the past.
It has now come back to bite us in the bum.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on June 16, 2017, 12:53:40 PM
Many years ago around the time we got relegated under Ron Saunders a friend of mine went to quote a little job on the Halfords lane stand and was told ' why have a rolls Royce when a cortina will do ' . It is this mentality that the club wreaks of and it pisses me off . Why they cannot and will not shake off this behaviour of a newly promoted club regardless of who is head coach is beyond me .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 16, 2017, 12:56:52 PM
To be fair, without Pulis we probably would be doomed as we would appoint another Alan Irvine. If, however, we were to appoint a decent manager then we would be absolutely fine, but no point discussing it as sadly TP is here until he wants out himself, by which point we will have a squad possessing little or no quality but works hard and has a lot of height to attack set pieces with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on June 16, 2017, 01:30:48 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on June 16, 2017, 12:48:38 PM
I meant the bit where you mention we would go down without Pulis' organisation.

Im different, i believe our squad could actually finish top 8 and challenge for a cup if Pulis' shackles were removed.

Yes we need strengthening, 4-6 players, but with th right recruitment this club could easily finish top 10 each season with eyes on Europe and Trophies if we showed a little ambition.
since we have been  in  premier league our owners  only ambition is to stay in premier league hence the appointment  of Tony Ebenezers wet dream.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on June 16, 2017, 01:47:25 PM
Huddersfield close to spending £23-£25m on two players within the next couple of days.

I still cannnot fathom why we are so reluctant to spend the going rate on players when everybody else can.

I now expect several people to try and find excuses where clubs like Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Swansea etc can but we cant.

Boring Albion as usual.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2017, 01:50:42 PM
to be fair i wouldnt trust pulis with a penny anyway but arnt we supposed to be keeping the same model of years gone by
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 16, 2017, 01:54:00 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on June 16, 2017, 01:47:25 PM
Huddersfield close to spending £23-£25m on two players within the next couple of days.

I still cannnot fathom why we are so reluctant to spend the going rate on players when everybody else can.

I now expect several people to try and find excuses where clubs like Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Swansea etc can but we cant.

Boring Albion as usual.
championship team spend over the odds on players who probably aren't enough to keep them up shocker!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on June 16, 2017, 02:00:59 PM
Despite the frustration of us not spending as big as the new clubs, (which i share) 
We shouldn't under estimate how important our backroom departments are, I seriously doubt that the Huddersfield set up has the depth that we have in sports science / physio / psychology etc, etc, etc, this would take a few years of prem league dosh and a fair degree of frugality to support IMO.

This is a reason why I don't subscribe to the "if TP goes we are doomed" logic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on June 16, 2017, 02:22:47 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on June 16, 2017, 01:54:00 PM
championship team spend over the odds on players who probably aren't enough to keep them up shocker!!

You miss my point.

I agree we shouldnt be spending £10-£12m on Mooy.

But they have bid for the lad from Montpellier who we have been strongly linked with.

My point was more along the lines of if those that are coming up have the cash to "throw away" then why cant we?

We shouldnt be targetting the same players they are, i feel we have moved up a level in that respect, but why are we looking at players like Huddlestone, Arfield, Wood, Taylor, Clucas etc when we should easily now be looking n the £15-£25m brackets.

Clubs like Huddersfield and Bournemouth do not exceed our finances, and i would put my mortgage on that, so shy do we continue to tinker around with bargain basement players with the odd exception?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on June 16, 2017, 02:45:52 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on June 16, 2017, 12:50:52 PM
That is the trouble being skin flint frugals in the past.
It has now come back to bite us in the bum.

I'd have thought it was the exact opposite actually.

Too many years of filling the squad with average players on high wages means we're at nearly 80% turnover on wages alone with not much to show for it. Nothing to do with frugal.

Interestingly we're now sponsored by our Chairman's company aren't we? So we can increase the turnover using 'sponsorship' and give us a bit more room wage-wise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: eaststandbaggie on June 16, 2017, 03:01:23 PM
Any teams lurking about putting together a package to take Pulis off our hands.😂😂😂
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on June 16, 2017, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on June 16, 2017, 02:22:47 PM
You miss my point.

I agree we shouldnt be spending £10-£12m on Mooy.

But they have bid for the lad from Montpellier who we have been strongly linked with.

My point was more along the lines of if those that are coming up have the cash to "throw away" then why cant we?

We shouldnt be targetting the same players they are, i feel we have moved up a level in that respect, but why are we looking at players like Huddlestone, Arfield, Wood, Taylor, Clucas etc when we should easily now be looking n the £15-£25m brackets.

Clubs like Huddersfield and Bournemouth do not exceed our finances, and i would put my mortgage on that, so shy do we continue to tinker around with bargain basement players with the odd exception?
The club have confirmed that we are NOT looking at Arfield, Clucas....in fact Taylor is the only one we are looking at.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on June 17, 2017, 02:41:52 PM
Looking in from the outside the lack of transfer activity is frustrating and those rumours of owners  not interested in investing new money into club might have legs especially  after pulis comes back from China and would consider an approach from other clubs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on June 18, 2017, 11:23:09 AM
As I said before Pulis will have a few aces up his sleeves I'm sure about that. I think the next week or two we will see some activity. Pulis has apparently been abroad looking for players so lets give him the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on June 21, 2017, 10:06:37 PM
Stifling the players we have.
Will only sign tried and tested British.
Will play ultra conservative try stop opposition winning football- depressing stuff again sadly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on June 21, 2017, 10:34:58 PM
Quote from: Legend on June 18, 2017, 11:23:09 AM
As I said before Pulis will have a few aces up his sleeves I'm sure about that. I think the next week or two we will see some activity. Pulis has apparently been abroad looking for players so lets give him the benefit of the doubt.

It's fine to think that and nobody knows what will happen but there is literally nothing to suggest so far in terms of the players that we have been linked with or more tellingly Pulis entire managerial career that we can expect anything different this summer.

I fully expect 5/6 signings consisting of 2 mediocre domestic players in the Rodriguez category although possibly 1 Evans type signing if we are lucky. 2 or 3 squad fillers in the mould of players like Joe Ledley and Marc Wilson and potentially Taylor or a Championship/lower PL player for a fee in the £6m ballpark. Lastly 1 overseas signing in the £10-£15m region who wont be a household name from somewhere like PSV/Hertha Berlin/Atalanta etc.

You can make a case for most of the signings on their individual merits but collectively it's just so uninspiring. Maybe a £15m Portuguese 22 year old would flop but Rodriguez is no guaranteed success and at least you can get excited about the 'unknown' foreigner until he gets dropped in early September for James McClean for losing the ball on the halfway line and not tracking back leading to the oppo having a shot on target.

At a time where many just find most Albion things stale and boring at the moment I really feel we could do with 2 or 3 signings who excite us and unite us again even if they dont work out long term.

There's nothing wrong as such with signing Deeney, Rodriguez, Taylor, Smalling and Wilson but it's just so dull, or to me at is at least. I'm sure many will say that keeping us up is all that matters and those players in our current squad would likely do that. But eating boiled chicken and plain rice every night with the odd vitamin supplement washed down with water would keep you alive, but I'd be sick of it after a while and craving something more exotic. Unfortunately for me anyway under Pulis I see plenty more of the same.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on June 22, 2017, 10:51:34 AM
I don't like the style of play at all,but think it will never change with the current board of directors,we are making a lot of money for them atm for them,if Pulis did leave I expect them to hire someone similar,hope I am wrong and the new owners have a different view on our current set up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on June 22, 2017, 03:03:21 PM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on June 22, 2017, 10:51:34 AM
I don't like the style of play at all,but think it will never change with the current board of directors,we are making a lot of money for them atm for them,if Pulis did leave I expect them to hire someone similar,hope I am wrong and the new owners have a different view on our current set up.
That's the problem though, nobody does Pulisball as well as Pulis. If we try and employ someone to continue in the same style we will likely fail because we will just have a watered down inferior version of him (Irvine). Like him or loathe him, no-one does it better.
For me, the next bloke in has to have a more attack minded approach, or I will lose the will to live.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on June 22, 2017, 05:15:08 PM
I can't think why any young, exciting player would ever want to play for Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on June 22, 2017, 05:21:43 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on June 22, 2017, 05:15:08 PM
I can't think why any young, exciting player would ever want to play for Tony Pulis.
exactly, if I was a young attacking player and 20 clubs offered the same money and Albion were on the list they or Pulis would be my 20th choice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on June 22, 2017, 05:28:40 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on June 22, 2017, 05:21:43 PM
exactly, if I was a young attacking player and 20 clubs offered the same money and Albion were on the list they or Pulis would be my 20th choice.

Leko can't even get a sniff with any kind of consistency
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on June 22, 2017, 08:36:34 PM
I find it massively depressing that we haven't been able to a deal for Charlie Taylor. I can only think that Pulis hasn't prioritised it. Nyom looked uncomfortable over there and Brunt looked poor defensively at times. Charlie Taylor looks like everything we need. Excellent positionally and tackles well, goes forward well, decent cross on him and pacy enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on June 23, 2017, 09:25:59 AM
Quote from: lewisant on June 22, 2017, 08:36:34 PM
I find it massively depressing that we haven't been able to a deal for Charlie Taylor. I can only think that Pulis hasn't prioritised it. Nyom looked uncomfortable over there and Brunt looked poor defensively at times. Charlie Taylor looks like everything we need. Excellent positionally and tackles well, goes forward well, decent cross on him and pacy enough.
He's not a Centre Half
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on June 25, 2017, 10:31:41 AM
a good summary of TP

http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/franco-vazquez-tony-pulis-west-bromwich-albion-a-match-made-in-hell
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on June 25, 2017, 11:05:54 AM
Quote from: geoff on June 25, 2017, 10:31:41 AM
a good summary of TP

http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/franco-vazquez-tony-pulis-west-bromwich-albion-a-match-made-in-hell

Agree with every word and it is a criticism of TP because if you can't use that type of player you shouldn't be managing at the highest level. In any event didn't Franco Vazquez go to Sevilla last summer for just under £13m and we signed Chadli who is very similar and that hasn't worked out as well as most would have hoped. Seems an odd article to write now.

Edit: Just checked the comments and they are from 2016 when we were rumoured to be interested the website must have republished it randomnly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on June 25, 2017, 11:16:12 AM
I agree the article, probably 12 months old but the subject matter says a lot
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on June 25, 2017, 09:16:51 PM
Quote from: Throstletown on June 25, 2017, 11:16:12 AM
I agree the article, probably 12 months old but the subject matter says a lot

12 months or 12 years the article is has valid now has it was then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on June 25, 2017, 09:52:44 PM
The messages at the bottom of the article just endorses it for me why things under Pulis will never change, quotes saying wait till we get an attacking midfielder or judge Pulis after the next transfer window (2016) when he's added pace and creativity upfront
or Leko will see us playing more attractive football and if we got rid of Pulis we could do a Charlton.
12 months on and we could say nothings changed and unlikely to.
still need an attacking midfielder
still need pace and creativity upfront
more chance of seeing a comet than Leko on the pitch
Pulis is not the only manager capable of keeping WBA in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on June 25, 2017, 10:00:22 PM
....and we added Phillips and Chadli....almost sick of saying it but the point still stands, we played well up to the point of Phillips' injury. With him out we were back to the lack of pace and creativity (oh and the lack of strikers).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on June 25, 2017, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: Adder on June 25, 2017, 10:00:22 PM
....and we added Phillips and Chadli....almost sick of saying it but the point still stands, we played well up to the point of Phillips' injury. With him out we were back to the lack of pace and creativity (oh and the lack of strikers).

One man don't make a team.

People can't keep blaming not having Phillips in the squad for how dire and embarrassing we were some games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on June 26, 2017, 12:40:29 AM
Quote from: Throstletown on June 25, 2017, 11:16:12 AM
I agree the article, probably 12 months old but the subject matter says a lot

!2 months 12 years the article is has valid now has it was then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on June 26, 2017, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on June 25, 2017, 10:38:41 PM
One man don't make a team.

People can't keep blaming not having Phillips in the squad for how dire and embarrassing we were some games.
Correct - I was replying to a point suggesting that we hadn't done anything to address the pace and creativity factor. We obviously need more depth as if one player is providing a lot of the pace and cutting edge then you miss him when he's not there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on June 30, 2017, 09:21:42 AM
Don't think I will be able to get excited about The Baggies again until Pulis leaves.

He just kills us for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 30, 2017, 09:34:50 AM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on June 30, 2017, 09:21:42 AM
Don't think I will be able to get excited about The Baggies again until Pulis leaves.

He just kills us for me.

me moaning again but i echo what you say. hes killed it for me along with tv, agents and all the other greedy folk. infact cricket beats all football for me at this moment in time.
Itv 1 showing these international games of late, totally shocking

i am gutted not to renew but i am not going to be miserable walking away from the hawthorns virtually everygame again. lets hope hes gone by this time next year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 30, 2017, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on June 30, 2017, 09:34:50 AM
me moaning again but i echo what you say. hes killed it for me along with tv, agents and all the other greedy folk. infact cricket beats all football for me at this moment in time.
Itv 1 showing these international games of late, totally shocking

i am gutted not to renew but i am not going to be miserable walking away from the hawthorns virtually everygame again. lets hope hes gone by this time next year

Why?
the games that I've watched on ITV1 have been decent games. Some of the earlier tournament games were shown on ITV4 and some of them were poor games, Germany V Mexico and especially Chile V Portugal were both good matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on June 30, 2017, 10:16:10 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on June 30, 2017, 10:02:24 AM
Why?
the games that I've watched on ITV1 have been decent games. Some of the earlier tournament games were shown on ITV4 and some of them were poor games, Germany V Mexico and especially Chile V Portugal were both good matches.

Agreed, I am actually enjoying watching these in the close season. Made a few bob too...... :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on June 30, 2017, 10:42:44 AM
Back to the Tone thread
Is anyone missing yet his repeat ad nauseum 'he/they worked aaard' 'they have assembled an expensive set of players' 'respect to their manager' pressers?
43 days and counting
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on June 30, 2017, 10:51:19 AM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on June 30, 2017, 10:42:44 AM
Back to the Tone thread
Is anyone missing yet his repeat ad nauseum 'he/they worked aaard' 'they have assembled an expensive set of players' 'respect to their manager' pressers?
43 days and counting

Always on the Tone thread, it was good to watch Carvalho play for Portugal. I can see him fitting into our side and I understand TP has been out to watch him.

I thought Jacob Murphy looked good as well for the under 21's - another player we have been loosely linked to

So hopefully TP was watching as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 30, 2017, 12:57:36 PM
I can see now what is going to happen.

When Pulis leaves, we will fall into the relegation battle, which we will inevitably lose. Then all the people who love Pulis will be going 'We told you so', oblivious to the fact that it's his influence which has seen the quality stripped from the squad. There will then be another clamor for a hoof-ball merchant who will 'take us back to the promised land', and we won't progress as a club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 30, 2017, 12:59:52 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on June 30, 2017, 12:57:36 PM
I can see now what is going to happen.

When Pulis leaves, we will fall into the relegation battle, which we will inevitably lose. Then all the people who love Pulis will be going 'We told you so', oblivious to the fact that it's his influence which has seen the quality stripped from the squad. There will then be another clamor for a hoof-ball merchant who will 'take us back to the promised land', and we won't progress as a club.

This is my concern currently. Pulis walks out a week before the season starts and we have a Villa-esque season and the likes of the Black Pearl chirp up to say I told you so about Pulis when the fact is that if we had booted him in May, got someone of the ilk of Pellegrino in early and sanctioned his spending on players of his choice, chances are we would have had a better season in terms of entertainment and perhaps points haul.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on June 30, 2017, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on June 30, 2017, 12:57:36 PM
I can see now what is going to happen.

When Pulis leaves, we will fall into the relegation battle, which we will inevitably lose. Then all the people who love Pulis will be going 'We told you so', oblivious to the fact that it's his influence which has seen the quality stripped from the squad. There will then be another clamor for a hoof-ball merchant who will 'take us back to the promised land', and we won't progress as a club.

Pulis won't leave. He's still paying off that massive fine he got from Palace. Expect more of the same for at least a couple more years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 30, 2017, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on June 30, 2017, 01:07:36 PM
Pulis won't leave. He's still paying off that massive fine he got from Palace. Expect more of the same for at least a couple more years.

Pulis will go if he sees the writing on the wall. He knows that if he's a free agent in January, people will take a punt on him and pay him a massive wedge - and if he doesn't think we have enough to stay up, he'll jump rather than have the relegation on his CV.

Pulis main skill as a manager is self-preservation above all else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on June 30, 2017, 01:14:15 PM
I'm happy to wait, but the day Pulis goes will be a great day for this club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on June 30, 2017, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: wba_1996 on June 30, 2017, 01:14:15 PM
I'm happy to wait, but the day Pulis goes will be a great day for this club.

If Pulis left today we would be bang in trouble.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on June 30, 2017, 02:04:47 PM
Quote from: Legend on June 30, 2017, 01:56:34 PM
If Pulis left today we would be bang in trouble.

Thats why I said I'm happy to wait. If he left a month ago and we got a decent more expansive manager in we'd have been absolutely fine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 30, 2017, 02:09:24 PM
need to get rid in May give someone else time to reverse the philosophy, start putting a round peg in its rightful place
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 30, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
Quote from: Legend on June 30, 2017, 01:56:34 PM
If Pulis left today we would be bang in trouble.

I'm not so sure we would be, I think a new man could come in and we'd be fine but it's not a gamble I'd like to take.

I hope that Pulis won't be given any more extensions once his year is up; unless of course we perform like we did from November to March for the majority of next season and he shows he can be progressive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on June 30, 2017, 02:32:50 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on June 30, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
I'm not so sure we would be, I think a new man could come in and we'd be fine but it's not a gamble I'd like to take.

I hope that Pulis won't be given any more extensions once his year is up; unless of course we perform like we did from November to March for the majority of next season and he shows he can be progressive.

It depends on which way the board would go. It would be a good indication of where we are going etc. If he did go [and he won't] then we will either go for a big name with a track record that will cost money, or we will go for a bargain basement up and coming man who's 'dream it is to manage such a big club as WBA'.... an ex Italian goalkeeper perhaps :)

However, TP is in charge this year and for me he will be judged by all on this season. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on June 30, 2017, 08:20:39 PM
Quote from: Legend on June 30, 2017, 01:56:34 PM
If Pulis left today we would be bang in trouble.

Not in Mr. Lai gave the new man a good sized war chest but if he was going to get rid of TP he should have done it on the whistle of our last game last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on June 30, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
Quote from: Legend on June 30, 2017, 01:56:34 PM
If Pulis left today we would be bang in trouble.

What makes you think that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on July 01, 2017, 06:58:51 AM
The only reason we would be in trouble if Pulis left would be the matter of timing. From now on we are into preparation for new season and there is a real danger getting a new coach in would disrupt that. The optimum time to make a planned change of coach is May, particularly as you would hope that we would be trying to move to a more expansive style of play.

We won't fire him unless we are in the relegation fight and are look doomed, which isn't a time to adopt a completely new style of play.

My biggest fear is that Williams is a fairly traditional football man and as such might well appoint another manager from the same neo-brutalist school of British Coaching. Although to be honest they are a dying breed many are out of the game or inflicting their style on Championship clubs so maybe wouldn't be considered for the post were it to become available.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on July 01, 2017, 06:22:48 PM
He can't afford to walk yet . If around Xmas time there's in big club in trouble with a fancy  bonus to keep them up he is going no where . Unless palace have him with no wages till debt paid  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on July 10, 2017, 02:26:53 PM
A 'reddit soccer' user made an algorithm that tracks the 3 most popular words associated with each PL team on the site.

Seems about right...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 10, 2017, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on July 10, 2017, 02:26:53 PM
A 'reddit soccer' user made an algorithm that tracks the 3 most popular words associated with each PL team on the site.

Seems about right...

Manchester United had worse words than us: 'boring' and 'negative'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on July 10, 2017, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on July 10, 2017, 02:37:26 PM
Manchester United had worse words than us: 'boring' and 'negative'

Was about to say that boring, safe and mid table are much better than some of the responses other teams managed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 10, 2017, 03:34:29 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on July 10, 2017, 03:21:54 PM
Was about to say that boring, safe and mid table are much better than some of the responses other teams managed.

I question the validity of any point they're trying to make about how these three words best describe the aforementioned clubs when Stoke seem to be solely based off the phrase 'a cold, wet Tuesday in Stoke'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on July 10, 2017, 03:39:24 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on July 10, 2017, 02:26:53 PM
A 'reddit soccer' user made an algorithm that tracks the 3 most popular words associated with each PL team on the site.

Seems about right...

Boring , Safe and Mid-table sum us up nicely.

Quite sad really isn't it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on July 10, 2017, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on July 10, 2017, 03:34:29 PM
I question the validity of any point they're trying to make about how these three words best describe the aforementioned clubs when Stoke seem to be solely based off the phrase 'a cold, wet Tuesday in Stoke'

Their algorithm counts team name-adjective pairings used in the same sentence and removes things like nationalities etc, very popular ones like "best" etc, and then scored them to promote the more unusual ones.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on July 10, 2017, 03:55:07 PM
Is the point not words most associated with each club, rather than words that best describe though?

As a pretty casual football fan these days, I certainly associate Stoke with the 'cold, wet, windy Tuesday night in Stoke' phrase more than their current playing style, transfer policy or club structure.

Just like unfortunately, because of Pulis, I believe we will likely continue to be associated with the word boring even long after he has left
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on July 10, 2017, 04:00:19 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on July 10, 2017, 03:55:07 PM
Is the point not words most associated with each club, rather than words that best describe though?

As a pretty casual football fan these days, I certainly associate Stoke with the 'cold, wet, windy Tuesday night in Stoke' phrase more than their current playing style, transfer policy or club structure.

Just like unfortunately, because of Pulis, I believe we will likely continue to be associated with the word boring even long after he has left

Yes it's exactly that. It's a count of which adjectives appear in the same sentences with those team names. The sentence "Can [player x] do it on a cold, windy night in Stoke" surely is the reason for their adjectives
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on July 10, 2017, 04:16:45 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on July 10, 2017, 02:26:53 PM
A 'reddit soccer' user made an algorithm that tracks the 3 most popular words associated with each PL team on the site.

Seems about right...

You mean people actually talk about us on Reddit?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2017, 07:40:27 AM
I would rather be watching good football in the league below but i understand this is a business now(what a shame) and the owner quite possibly has his investment protected for a while
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on July 11, 2017, 07:49:22 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2017, 07:40:27 AM
I would rather be watching good football in the league below but i understand this is a business now(what a shame) and the owner quite possibly has his investment protected for a while
I agree with that feeling, the championship as a fan is much better fun, a midlands Derby every few weeks would be great. The prem has lost its appeal for me and lots of others and not just Albion fans, can't risk the young players, can't risk a cup run, can't play football that entertains as it's ALL about 40 points..... that's not what got me hooked on the club or football. Makes me smile when the sky sports sheep say 'we've gotta stay in the prem it's where the money is' like they are getting a share of it for being bored stiff. All clubs do with the extra revenue is sign more players who couldn't give a toss about the club in the hope of the magical 40.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on July 11, 2017, 08:02:25 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on July 11, 2017, 07:49:22 AM
I agree with that feeling, the championship as a fan is much better fun, a midlands Derby every few weeks would be great. The prem has lost its appeal for me and lots of others and not just Albion fans, can't risk the young players, can't risk a cup run, can't play football that entertains as it's ALL about 40 points..... that's not what got me hooked on the club or football. Makes me smile when the sky sports sheep say 'we've gotta stay in the prem it's where the money is' like they are getting a share of it for being bored stiff. All clubs do with the extra revenue is sign more players who couldn't give a toss about the club in the hope of the magical 40.

Had a voice message last week from the club saying they were calling to enquire why I wasn't renewing my season ticket. Have to say this is a big part of it. There seems no point in going as we don't compete for anything, we don't bring kids through, we don't really even try to win at home and basically clubs like ours are just cannon fodder for the richer clubs to practice against between the games that matter to them like the horrible Champions League.

Football has lost so much appeal. I would have never believed just a few years back that I could get so disinterested. Admittedly there have been times before when I have lost interest for a while, but this feels different, and I think that this time, with the state of the game in the U.K. combined with our Head Coach being an exponent of the most dreadful brand of football possible I've really had enough.

I can be bored at home for a lot less money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on July 11, 2017, 08:06:50 AM
Quote from: sing on our own on July 11, 2017, 07:49:22 AM
I agree with that feeling, the championship as a fan is much better fun, a midlands Derby every few weeks would be great. The prem has lost its appeal for me and lots of others and not just Albion fans, can't risk the young players, can't risk a cup run, can't play football that entertains as it's ALL about 40 points..... that's not what got me hooked on the club or football. Makes me smile when the sky sports sheep say 'we've gotta stay in the prem it's where the money is' like they are getting a share of it for being bored stiff. All clubs do with the extra revenue is sign more players who couldn't give a toss about the club in the hope of the magical 40.

Yeah that makes me do a slight sad chuckle an all. You have to blame the Premier league for all this, they even showed a documentary on the formation of the Premier League and it was so sad to see the end of proper football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on July 11, 2017, 08:51:08 AM
Quote from: Chipperfan on July 11, 2017, 08:02:25 AM
Had a voice message last week from the club saying they were calling to enquire why I wasn't renewing my season ticket. Have to say this is a big part of it. There seems no point in going as we don't compete for anything, we don't bring kids through, we don't really even try to win at home and basically clubs like ours are just cannon fodder for the richer clubs to practice against between the games that matter to them like the horrible Champions League.

Football has lost so much appeal. I would have never believed just a few years back that I could get so disinterested. Admittedly there have been times before when I have lost interest for a while, but this feels different, and I think that this time, with the state of the game in the U.K. combined with our Head Coach being an exponent of the most dreadful brand of football possible I've really had enough.

I can be bored at home for a lot less money.
It was exciting being on the comeback from the doldrums in the early 2000s, even being  yo-yo club when we went to the big clubs and snuck a draw or even the odd win, back for a season of being a big fish and then try again in the Prem, but now it is so mediocre.  I can't believe the youngsters didn't get some proper game time when we were safe by the end of Feb, how rubbish was that?

I fear we are the next Bolton/Wigan/Brum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on July 11, 2017, 09:11:59 AM
We've discussed this before but in chasing the potential wealth that awaits success in China, India, USA and other untapped global 'markets' the premier league is basically alienating the very people who kept football alive in this country for a long time, especially through some relatively unpopular times e.g. 70s, 80and early 90s. Unfortunately, it's a simple fact that the club and fans want different things (fans = entertainment/ excitement whilst the club want safe, predictable income).

I personally love the fact we're a 'rich', stable mid table Premier League club and feel we could inject excitement on top of this 'existence' quite easily. Albion fans are humble and knowledgable about football in my experience so if we see a team trying to play attacking, energetic football at home, maybe even with out and out wingers then I reckon the comment I saw about the club wanting to address the issue of dwindling home crowds would go a long way to being addressed.

For a period mid season we were entertaining to watch under Pulis  when Philips was bombing on so it can be done. However, Pulis seems to represent everything that the club wants (stability of income) and rarely (wants to) understand or acknowledge the fans want entertainment/ excitement/ unpredictability. There's a lack of a connection between Pulis and most fans whether Pulis realises it or not (I'm sure he does actually being a sharp cookie). I'm trying not to be too critical because he's a good employee doing a good job to his employer's targets/ wishes. Problem is, sooner or later, the fans will drift away to the point of it being very difficult to entice them back.

I think other teams are going through a similar problem by the way. We'll see Brighton and Huddersfield this year and see their almost childish excitement at being in the premier league through the complacently cynical eyes which eventually infected Bolton, Villa and Newcastle for example and others before and after them. We may even be a bit jealous of this.

The first six months of Clarke's reign was honestly the last time I felt proud and excited to watch us. Mel we had some exiciting (scary) games but mostly lows, Irvine was mostly very low and sad whilst Pulis seems to have been an unremarkable, boring dirge of a time where I can't single out many games where I've genuinely enjoyed watching us or looked forward to watching us. Sorry guess I was critical of him in the end.

Wonder what Big Ron is up to?




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on July 11, 2017, 09:14:25 AM
Relegation to the Division below is no guarantee of better football, greater entertainment or joyous times ahead  :-X .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2017, 09:18:07 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on July 11, 2017, 09:14:25 AM
Relegation to the Division below is no guarantee of better football, greater entertainment or joyous times ahead  :-X .

it most likely would be with a different coach. its what i am saying i would sacrifice the greed league for a coach with a different football philosophy
not just me either, plenty out there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on July 11, 2017, 09:23:31 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2017, 09:18:07 AM
it most likely would be with a different coach. its what i am saying i would sacrifice the greed league for a coach with a different football philosophy
not just me either, plenty out there.

Alan Irvine anyone  :o  ;) ?

That'd get season ticket sales going  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2017, 09:30:03 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on July 11, 2017, 09:23:31 AM
Alan Irvine anyone  :o  ;) ?

That'd get season ticket sales going  ;) .


i am sure legend would welcome that appointment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on July 11, 2017, 09:48:11 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on July 11, 2017, 09:26:18 AM
But would it?

Championship with TP.

Hhhhmmmmmm....... really wets the appetite  :-X .
I think it does as if we were in danger of relegation I think the board would act to try and get someone in who could save us. I do not know why when anybody mentions getting rid of Mr untouchable Pulis that some people have to bring up Irvine. Just because we made a major mistake with him at the time does not mean the club will automatically make the same mistake again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on July 11, 2017, 09:53:09 AM
Quote from: mikehy on July 11, 2017, 09:48:11 AM
I think it does as if we were in danger of relegation I think the board would act to try and get someone in who could save us. I do not know why when anybody mentions getting rid of Mr untouchable Pulis that some people have to bring up Irvine. Just because we made a major mistake with him at the time does not mean the club will automatically make the same mistake again.

Don't get too precious chap, it was a throw away comment.

For the record I don't look on TP as 'Mr Untouchable', so you can forget that one  ;) .

The point I was making is that the grass is not always greener and so offered the most recent example of this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 11, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
I have said this before and will continue to do so...

Why do Albion fans settle for second best all the time? Why do we have to settle for 17th place/40 points all the time.

Why, when we have spent 8 consecutive years in the Premier League, do we continue to focus on TP being the man to keep us up every year?

Why cant we all want a little more excitement, why cant we all show a little ambition and want more from our club.

Why can other, much smaller clubs with equally as limited resources, equally similar sized fan bases, with much less Premier League experience show ambition and play much better footballing styles yet we are drip fed that 10men behind the ball is the only way this club can survive.

Albion are much more than being the boring team in the league, Albion should be in line with Southampton in terms of club structure and philosiphies, yet I continue to see people shot down for being negative towards TP and the club's current regime.

Albion shouldnt just be about aiming for 17th every season, that stems from the board down to the fans, everybody should want more and we should all expect more.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2017, 10:58:51 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 11, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
I have said this before and will continue to do so...

Why do Albion fans settle for second best all the time? Why do we have to settle for 17th place/40 points all the time.

Why, when we have spent 8 consecutive years in the Premier League, do we continue to focus on TP being the man to keep us up every year?

Why cant we all want a little more excitement, why cant we all show a little ambition and want more from our club.

Why can other, much smaller clubs with equally as limited resources, equally similar sized fan bases, with much less Premier League experience show ambition and play much better footballing styles yet we are drip fed that 10men behind the ball is the only way this club can survive.

Albion are much more than being the boring team in the league, Albion should be in line with Southampton in terms of club structure and philosiphies, yet I continue to see people shot down for being negative towards TP and the club's current regime.

Albion shouldnt just be about aiming for 17th every season, that stems from the board down to the fans, everybody should want more and we should all expect more.

a good post that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 11, 2017, 11:05:33 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2017, 10:58:51 AM
a good post that

Thanks mate - I thought of it all myself  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on July 11, 2017, 11:11:37 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 11, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
I have said this before and will continue to do so...

Why do Albion fans settle for second best all the time? Why do we have to settle for 17th place/40 points all the time.

Why, when we have spent 8 consecutive years in the Premier League, do we continue to focus on TP being the man to keep us up every year?

Why cant we all want a little more excitement, why cant we all show a little ambition and want more from our club.

Why can other, much smaller clubs with equally as limited resources, equally similar sized fan bases, with much less Premier League experience show ambition and play much better footballing styles yet we are drip fed that 10men behind the ball is the only way this club can survive.

Albion are much more than being the boring team in the league, Albion should be in line with Southampton in terms of club structure and philosiphies, yet I continue to see people shot down for being negative towards TP and the club's current regime.

Albion shouldnt just be about aiming for 17th every season, that stems from the board down to the fans, everybody should want more and we should all expect more.

Spot on. I'm losing interest not only down the the fact our manager seems to be one dimensional, but so do our fans. There is no want to move forward but instead so much acceptance of what we have and looking at the past and saying 'it could be worse'.

We won't break the top 6 without a ridiculous level of investment, but it doesn't mean we can't try to develop on the pitch as a side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 11, 2017, 11:24:44 AM
I have said this before and will continue to do so...

Why do Albion fans settle for second best all the time? Why do we have to settle for 17th place/40 points all the time.

Don't think any fans, or many, settle for 17th and 40 points, just look at the reaction to the last 12 games of the season. We have finished 17th once in the last 7 seasons so who settles for it? 40 points is the first target set as it pretty much guarantees survival after that we should be aiming for the highest total possible.

Why, when we have spent 8 consecutive years in the Premier League, do we continue to focus on TP being the man to keep us up every year?
He is our current manager that's why we focus on him keeping us in the division (not every year just for the years of his tenure). He obviously fulfills the role the board want.

Why cant we all want a little more excitement, why cant we all show a little ambition and want more from our club.

Again most fans, if not all, want more excitement and ambition from our club.

Why can other, much smaller clubs with equally as limited resources, equally similar sized fan bases, with much less Premier League experience show ambition and play much better footballing styles yet we are drip fed that 10men behind the ball is the only way this club can survive.

Agree with you on this one.

Albion are much more than being the boring team in the league, Albion should be in line with Southampton in terms of club structure and philosiphies, yet I continue to see people shot down for being negative towards TP and the club's current regime.

Don't think anyone gets "shot down" for being negative towards Pulis (as long as it is constructive and not just abusive) and the clubs regime.

Albion shouldnt just be about aiming for 17th every season, that stems from the board down to the fans, everybody should want more and we should all expect more.

Again I don't think we aim for 17th. We aim for survival first.
For whatever reason we struggle once we get to 40 points but this has happened under different managers not just Pulis.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on July 11, 2017, 11:53:39 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 11, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
I have said this before and will continue to do so...

Why do Albion fans settle for second best all the time? Why do we have to settle for 17th place/40 points all the time.

Why, when we have spent 8 consecutive years in the Premier League, do we continue to focus on TP being the man to keep us up every year?

Why cant we all want a little more excitement, why cant we all show a little ambition and want more from our club.

Why can other, much smaller clubs with equally as limited resources, equally similar sized fan bases, with much less Premier League experience show ambition and play much better footballing styles yet we are drip fed that 10men behind the ball is the only way this club can survive.

Albion are much more than being the boring team in the league, Albion should be in line with Southampton in terms of club structure and philosiphies, yet I continue to see people shot down for being negative towards TP and the club's current regime.

Albion shouldnt just be about aiming for 17th every season, that stems from the board down to the fans, everybody should want more and we should all expect more.

If your post’s aimed at me (in part) then I hope you don’t mind me answering some of the points you raise and ask you a few questions in return. First things first though, I’m going to invite you to climb down from your soap box as I have a stiff neck from much of last season’s football  ;) .

Where have I stated that I’m happy to settle for second best?  Where have I stated that we should be looking to TP as the only alternative to keep us in the Prem’ every year? I clearly state that I do not think he is ‘Mr Untouchable’. I never mentioned that I am happy with the level of entertainment or the ‘style’ of football either, just that the grass is not always greener. Equally I acknowledge that the other side of the fence is not always covered in sticky brown stuff, well it usually is where we live but I've no wish to go off at a tangent. That's Erdington for yah  ;D .

The fact that we don’t show more ambition is clearly frustrating and our seemingly limited resources do indeed need to be utilised as imaginatively as possible, be that via finance and/or our approach to games. Do I think we need to rely so heavily on the ‘tactic’ of dropping deep all of the time? I acknowledge it as a ploy when playing teams where a more open style would resort in us taking a pasting but not as a default setting. I used to box a little when younger and would love to fight on the front foot, but was not averse to covering up when required. Am I frustrated with our ‘style’ at times? Oh gosh blimey yes Mister and no mistake sir, but equally I don’t think we’re as bad as many would suggest.

Do I long for more entertaining football, more chances, more goals, progress in the Cups and a blow job when I get home after the football? Yeah, I do. But TP probably isn’t going to give me any of the former and I have no wish for him to perform the latter.

My initial point on the previous page was that relegation would not ensure a more entertaining style of football and it would not necessarily guarantee TP’s departure either. I’m not shooting anyone down for wanting something different, but I well remember the even uglier other side of the coin and try to balance idealism with realism and will continue to do so.

All the best and COYB  8) .

Note to MarkW: Re edited  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on July 11, 2017, 12:11:39 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on July 11, 2017, 11:24:44 AM
I have said this before and will continue to do so...

Why do Albion fans settle for second best all the time? Why do we have to settle for 17th place/40 points all the time.

Don't think any fans, or many, settle for 17th and 40 points, just look at the reaction to the last 12 games of the season. We have finished 17th once in the last 7 seasons so who settles for it? 40 points is the first target set as it pretty much guarantees survival after that we should be aiming for the highest total possible.

Why, when we have spent 8 consecutive years in the Premier League, do we continue to focus on TP being the man to keep us up every year?
He is our current manager that's why we focus on him keeping us in the division (not every year just for the years of his tenure). He obviously fulfills the role the board want.

Why cant we all want a little more excitement, why cant we all show a little ambition and want more from our club.

Again most fans, if not all, want more excitement and ambition from our club.

Why can other, much smaller clubs with equally as limited resources, equally similar sized fan bases, with much less Premier League experience show ambition and play much better footballing styles yet we are drip fed that 10men behind the ball is the only way this club can survive.

Agree with you on this one.

Albion are much more than being the boring team in the league, Albion should be in line with Southampton in terms of club structure and philosiphies, yet I continue to see people shot down for being negative towards TP and the club's current regime.

Don't think anyone gets "shot down" for being negative towards Pulis (as long as it is constructive and not just abusive) and the clubs regime.

Albion shouldnt just be about aiming for 17th every season, that stems from the board down to the fans, everybody should want more and we should all expect more.

Again I don't think we aim for 17th. We aim for survival first.
For whatever reason we struggle once we get to 40 points but this has happened under different managers not just Pulis.


Good post, agree with all you say.

On the Pulis point, my particular issue with negative comment towards him is when he is being 'blamed' for something that he is probably not responsible for, and may not even know anything about it. The transfer market is a good example and this weekend in particular. No one could provide a positive link between TP and Barry, but he got slated .........why? We make a  lot of assumptions on here about TP and the club, and they are hardly ever balanced.

When they play and we observe, we are perfectly entitled to pass comment on the game, good or bad. We can make informed critic because we have seen it. No one ever comes on here and says 'I haven't seen the game but I thought we were bad' because they don't know how we played. So why do we assume that TP is behind every 'deal' that is rumoured to have gone south.

Someone else mentioned this a couple of days ago, the club could help out here by quashing a lot of these rumours......   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on July 11, 2017, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on July 11, 2017, 12:11:39 PM

Good post, agree with all you say.

On the Pulis point, my particular issue with negative comment towards him is when he is being 'blamed' for something that he is probably not responsible for, and may not even know anything about it. The transfer market is a good example and this weekend in particular. No one could provide a positive link between TP and Barry, but he got slated .........why? We make a  lot of assumptions on here about TP and the club, and they are hardly ever balanced.

When they play and we observe, we are perfectly entitled to pass comment on the game, good or bad. We can make informed critic because we have seen it. No one ever comes on here and says 'I haven't seen the game but I thought we were bad' because they don't know how we played. So why do we assume that TP is behind every 'deal' that is rumoured to have gone south.

Someone else mentioned this a couple of days ago, the club could help out here by quashing a lot of these rumours......

Don't the media people say any publicity is good publicity, not to mention the possible smoke screens that some of these rumours create
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on July 11, 2017, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on July 11, 2017, 12:23:05 PM
Don't the media people say any publicity is good publicity, not to mention the possible smoke screens that some of these rumours create

They do Tuamigos, but [for example] the Barry rumour had many of the fans questioning our activities, and this may have had an effect on ST take up, albeit temporary.......

Link us to Messi and there wouldn't be a seat in the place free!

It works both way I guess. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 11, 2017, 01:26:20 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 11, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
I have said this before and will continue to do so...

Why do Albion fans settle for second best all the time? Why do we have to settle for 17th place/40 points all the time.

Why, when we have spent 8 consecutive years in the Premier League, do we continue to focus on TP being the man to keep us up every year?

Why cant we all want a little more excitement, why cant we all show a little ambition and want more from our club.

Why can other, much smaller clubs with equally as limited resources, equally similar sized fan bases, with much less Premier League experience show ambition and play much better footballing styles yet we are drip fed that 10men behind the ball is the only way this club can survive.

Albion are much more than being the boring team in the league, Albion should be in line with Southampton in terms of club structure and philosiphies, yet I continue to see people shot down for being negative towards TP and the club's current regime.

Albion shouldnt just be about aiming for 17th every season, that stems from the board down to the fans, everybody should want more and we should all expect more.
lack of ambition and minimum investment by Ebenezer has brought us to this point and getting pulis in was his ultimate wet dream before he sold club. Can remember that Muppet saying thing's like "We will be a top ten prem club within 5 years and the stadium will have 30 plus thousand capacities". But then he realised that he'd have to dip into his own pocket.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 11, 2017, 01:28:05 PM
This league is about AMBITION.
With TP in charge...forget it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on July 11, 2017, 01:32:41 PM
I honestly don't mind us losing if we show ambition and a desire to win. When we, for large parts of the season, show only a desire to draw or not lose, it makes the eventual loss a more bitter pill to swallow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 11, 2017, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on July 11, 2017, 01:32:41 PM
I honestly don't mind us losing if we show ambition and a desire to win. When we, for large parts of the season, show only a desire to draw or not lose, it makes the eventual loss a more bitter pill to swallow.

Have to agree too, and for the first time in 50+ years of support I hear myself saying ' serves us right' when we just defend and concede late goals especially.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2017, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on July 11, 2017, 01:32:41 PM
I honestly don't mind us losing if we show ambition and a desire to win. When we, for large parts of the season, show only a desire to draw or not lose, it makes the eventual loss a more bitter pill to swallow.


yep, pretty much how i feel. then the journey home
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on July 11, 2017, 11:56:15 PM
It's been mentioned a lot but I must have missed the halcyon
days before Pulis. The free flowing football and top 6 finishes. I don't like Pulis football and never liked it at Stoke. You may hate his methods but he isn't a bad manager.
The board want someone to keep us in the league and around mid table and he does that. It seems that the general consensus is if we ditch Pulis we will find a bunch of foreign players who will stroll in and help us play like Barcelona and the glory days will be back and we don't have to pay much money for it as there are loads of cheap bargains out there that no-one else wants to sign.
I am not a Pulis fan but the way he's vilified and made out to be the main problem at west brom is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chipperclark on July 12, 2017, 01:31:15 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on July 11, 2017, 11:56:15 PM
It's been mentioned a lot but I must have missed the halcyon
days before Pulis. The free flowing football and top 6 finishes. I don't like Pulis football and never liked it at Stoke. You may hate his methods but he isn't a bad manager.
The board want someone to keep us in the league and around mid table and he does that. It seems that the general consensus is if we ditch Pulis we will find a bunch of foreign players who will stroll in and help us play like Barcelona and the glory days will be back and we don't have to pay much money for it as there are loads of cheap bargains out there that no-one else wants to sign.
I am not a Pulis fan but the way he's vilified and made out to be the main problem at west brom is just ridiculous.
:D Wow! you have hit the nail on the head what a great post.This is so true and we should go the way we are and add a little class each season to improve our position.PS Pulis is doing a job he has been asked to do by his bosses.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mank baggie on July 12, 2017, 05:28:08 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on July 11, 2017, 11:56:15 PM
It's been mentioned a lot but I must have missed the halcyon
days before Pulis. The free flowing football and top 6 finishes. I don't like Pulis football and never liked it at Stoke. You may hate his methods but he isn't a bad manager.
The board want someone to keep us in the league and around mid table and he does that. It seems that the general consensus is if we ditch Pulis we will find a bunch of foreign players who will stroll in and help us play like Barcelona and the glory days will be back and we don't have to pay much money for it as there are loads of cheap bargains out there that no-one else wants to sign.
I am not a Pulis fan but the way he's vilified and made out to be the main problem at west brom is just ridiculous.
great post, the one I like is the Albion way! Is that the way that took us into the old div 3 or the brief spell in the 70s when we had a decent team and won nothing?
Some Albion fans remind me of people you meet on holiday complaining about the hotel when they've only paid for 2 star but expect 5 star.
At the end of the day we support west Bromwich Albion not man Utd, chelse or man city, so just enjoy the ride.
 Coyb
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on July 12, 2017, 07:51:53 AM
TP is THE best manager for us...forget the negative people who post on here... always moaning.
Just look around moaners..we are the only team round here in the Premier, and I'm entertained watching my team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on July 12, 2017, 08:12:58 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on July 11, 2017, 11:56:15 PM
It's been mentioned a lot but I must have missed the halcyon
days before Pulis. The free flowing football and top 6 finishes. I don't like Pulis football and never liked it at Stoke. You may hate his methods but he isn't a bad manager.
The board want someone to keep us in the league and around mid table and he does that. It seems that the general consensus is if we ditch Pulis we will find a bunch of foreign players who will stroll in and help us play like Barcelona and the glory days will be back and we don't have to pay much money for it as there are loads of cheap bargains out there that no-one else wants to sign.
I am not a Pulis fan but the way he's vilified and made out to be the main problem at west brom is just ridiculous.

Though most of this post was written I assume with a touch of sarcasm, your argument doesent stack up in my opinion.

No one is asking for us to "play like batcelona" or win the league, just, y'know, try and pass the ball a bit more. It in don't a lot to ask and we all know this team has it in them. Also pulis' inability to motivate the team much past 40 points, lack of fight in the cups and his reluctance to play the younger, local lads even when mathematically safe is a black mark against his name for me.

It took less than a month for us to start playing like old stoke and for people to start referring to us Pulis' Albion. As others gave Saud, we don't have to settle for another empty season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 12, 2017, 08:24:45 AM
OK, so TP keeps us in the Premier League, but I'm not convinced he's the only HC capable of that.

Whoever is ultimately responsible, (board or HC, or a combination of both), the end product is sterile.

We certainly don't have the resources to win the Premier League, but I think the majority of fans would like us to compete better in the domestic cup competitions.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on July 12, 2017, 08:29:16 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on July 12, 2017, 08:12:58 AM
Though most of this post was written I assume with a touch of sarcasm, your argument doesent stack up in my opinion.

No one is asking for us to "play like batcelona" or win the league, just, y'know, try and pass the ball a bit more. It in don't a lot to ask and we all know this team has it in them. Also pulis' inability to motivate the team much past 40 points, lack of fight in the cups and his reluctance to play the younger, local lads even when mathematically safe is a black mark against his name for me.

It took less than a month for us to start playing like old stoke and for people to start referring to us Pulis' Albion. As others gave Saud, we don't have to settle for another empty season.

But by the same logic, Pulis doesn't exactly 'settle' either, we finished 10th last season which is a big difference than say 17th on 40 points - the season prior we were safe with 10 games left.

In other words, whilst the 'Play like Barcelona' stuff is way over the top, the 'Scrape survival with 40 points' stuff is equally as wrong.
Besides, the furthest we got in a cup run was under Pulis (knocked out by Villa) - prior to that it was Mowbray but prior to that I don't know how long it was. Other than Mowbray, it's not like our previous however managers were brilliant in the cups - I don't understand why Pulis gets criticised for being poor in cups, we've been like it for my entire life-time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 12, 2017, 08:51:49 AM
I think Pulis takes the FA Cup seriously as it's only last season where we got knocked out early, in his other 2 goes with us we've got to the quarter final and 5th round which is kind of where you'd expect us to get.

It's the league cup where we seem to field a very make shift team and go out in the early rounds but we've done that under different managers too, Clarke did it, Hodgeson did it, Irvine did it. In fact I think Di Matteo was the last manager to give us any sort of decent run in it.

Since our semi final appearance in 81-82 we've got to the QF once (2003-04) and the 5th round once (2010-11) and the 4th round 6 times. We've been knocked out in the 1st and 2nd rounds 8 times each and in the 3rd round 11 times; so in 35 seasons we've gone out in the 3rd round or lower 27 times.

seems whoever our manager is we rarely trouble the business end of the cups (especially the league cup)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on July 12, 2017, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on July 12, 2017, 08:51:49 AM
I think Pulis takes the FA Cup seriously as it's only last season where we got knocked out early, in his other 2 goes with us we've got to the quarter final and 5th round which is kind of where you'd expect us to get.

It's the league cup where we seem to field a very make shift team and go out in the early rounds but we've done that under different managers too, Clarke did it, Hodgeson did it, Irvine did it. In fact I think Di Matteo was the last manager to give us any sort of decent run in it.

Since our semi final appearance in 81-82 we've got to the QF once (2003-04) and the 5th round once (2010-11) and the 4th round 6 times. We've been knocked out in the 1st and 2nd rounds 8 times each and in the 3rd round 11 times; so in 35 seasons we've gone out in the 3rd round or lower 27 times.

seems whoever our manager is we rarely trouble the business end of the cups (especially the league cup)

All that is Pulis' fault surely??  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 12, 2017, 09:18:49 AM
Quite satisfied by Pulis, quite satisfied by our progression, would like to see more flair but not at the risk of losing our Premier League status.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 12, 2017, 09:25:05 AM
Quote from: Ukar1 on July 12, 2017, 07:51:53 AM
TP is THE best manager for us...forget the negative people who post on here... always moaning.
Just look around moaners..we are the only team round here in the Premier, and I'm entertained watching my team.

This sums it up for me - settling for this is exactly why this club have become boring overnight. Why cant e compare ourselves to Southampton, or Everton even? Aim to build and aim to break consistently into the top 8.

Comparing ourselves to 3 clubs, all of whom have been incredibly poor over the past 5 seasons, for me shows just how little ambition we have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on July 12, 2017, 09:35:37 AM
Quote from: Ukar1 on July 12, 2017, 07:51:53 AM
TP is THE best manager for us...forget the negative people who post on here... always moaning.
Just look around moaners..we are the only team round here in the Premier, and I'm entertained watching my team.

Do you pay to watch us every game? If so.... how many times last season did you league the ground (home or away).. happy with what you have witnessed?

Why are we comparing ourselves to championship clubs?

Why is TP the best manager for us? He doesn't set up teams to score... we can't pass a ball to each other's feet more than twice in a row and our defending looks just about average quite a lot... what's the benefit? (Apart from he has kept us up, which could of been possible for other managers not just pulis).

Couldn't give a toss about this greed league, id much rather see us take a risk and if that meant going down then so be it... atleast we got some local derbys instead of being able to say 'but we are in the premier league'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 12, 2017, 09:37:32 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on July 12, 2017, 09:35:37 AM
Do you pay to watch us every game? If so.... how many times last season did you league the ground (home or away).. happy with what you have witnessed?

Why are we comparing ourselves to championship clubs?

Why is TP the best manager for us? He doesn't set up teams to score... we can't pass a ball to each other's feet more than twice in a row and our defending looks just about average quite a lot... what's the benefit? (Apart from he has kept us up, which could of been possible for other managers not just pulis).

Couldn't give a toss about this greed league, id much rather see us take a risk and if that meant going down then so be it... atleast we got some local derbys instead of being able to say 'but we are in the premier league'.

Here Here

How many more times do we have to say it.... Bournemouth, Watford, Palace, Southampton, Swansea etc all stayed up playing better football than us. Why have we fell in the trap of thinking "without Pulis we go down"???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2017, 09:39:30 AM
I think and hope hes only got another season in him at best.i want to come back. i suspect his support is 50/50 at this time. its going to be a negative atmosphere up there this season me thinks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 12, 2017, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 12, 2017, 09:25:05 AM
This sums it up for me - settling for this is exactly why this club have become boring overnight. Why cant e compare ourselves to Southampton, or Everton even? Aim to build and aim to break consistently into the top 8.

Comparing ourselves to 3 clubs, all of whom have been incredibly poor over the past 5 seasons, for me shows just how little ambition we have.

agree with you on this.

We should be striving to improve every season, being a solid top 10 side should be our first priority (and something that Mr Lai stated as an intention), then we should be aiming to maintain a top 10 finish with getting to at least the 5th round of the cup competitions each season.
The second part is obviously harder to achieve as it depends on the luck of the draw to a certain extent. Last season against Derby, for example, we didn't play too badly it was just one of those games where everything we hit was either saved or went wide, on another day we'd have scored 3 or 4 from the same chances and won.

The chances of actually winning one of the cups becomes so much harder for a club like us when the top 6 sides take them seriously too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 12, 2017, 09:51:42 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on July 12, 2017, 09:47:08 AM
agree with you on this.

We should be striving to improve every season, being a solid top 10 side should be our first priority (and something that Mr Lai stated as an intention), then we should be aiming to maintain a top 10 finish with getting to at least the 5th round of the cup competitions each season.
The second part is obviously harder to achieve as it depends on the luck of the draw to a certain extent. Last season against Derby, for example, we didn't play too badly it was just one of those games where everything we hit was either saved or went wide, on another day we'd have scored 3 or 4 from the same chances and won.

The chances of actually winning one of the cups becomes so much harder for a club like us when the top 6 sides take them seriously too.

Agreed.

I just don’t understand how fans really enjoy what were being served up. I remember our Prem seasons under Megson, Mowbray, Hodgson, Clarke where we were excited and I actually enjoyed going up on matchdays regardless of how we were doing.

Yes I understand under Megson and Mowbray the PL was new to us and the novelty played a big part in the excitement, but I still don’t understand this persona that we have to be in this league to enjoy football.

One day we will go down. One day we will become Bolton, Blackburn, Wolves, Boro, Sheff Utd, etc etc etc. One day we will go down and not come back, maybe even one day fall into League 1 – that’s just football and laws of averages.

I want to look back on these years with pride, I want to say we enjoyed our time there. How dull would it be to say to our kids and grandkids that “yes I saw the Albion in the Prem but we were so boring”.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on July 12, 2017, 10:00:45 AM
It's not about playing like Barcelona or the 'Albion Way', in fact I haven't heard that said anywhere other than this forum for many a year, and then it's usually used as a way of putting down Pulis' detractors.

What is reasonable to ask for is better passing and ball retention. Our passing at times is absolutely shocking and it's difficult to see why, when you consider the personnel we have. The likes of Evans, Brunt, Morrison, Phillips, Chadli, Field and Rondon all have the ability to pick a pass, so you have to think it is down to style, where they are on the pitch when they get the ball, and what, if anything, is in front of them.

If they were just allowed a bit more freedom of expression, I believe we have the players to contribute to a good entertaining game of football. And, no, I don't think this would mean certain relegation. Granted, it may not mean we get many, if any, more points, but at least it would give a bit of incentive for people to turn up on match day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on July 12, 2017, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 12, 2017, 09:51:42 AM

I want to look back on these years with pride, I want to say we enjoyed our time there. How dull would it be to say to our kids and grandkids that “yes I saw the Albion in the Prem but we were so boring”.

Great post.

My brother watches a lot of those Premier League and has an interest point to make. How are Albion contributing to the story of football, the one told in the future. How do we want to be remembered and what fills us with pride to say we support the Albion.

No one is singing in the brummie or smethwick about how we are a financially stable mid table football club run by sensible owners. These things ultimately are a means to an end and its the memories the fans are left with which matter.

The memories we are creating under Pulis frankly fall short of something I can look back and smile about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on July 12, 2017, 10:15:14 AM
Why do some fans think as long as we are better than wolves or villa it's job done? Being the best team in the West Midlands is like being the tallest dwarf and not worth mentioning we should focus on being the best we can we be not just better than some
Other awful team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 12, 2017, 10:48:19 AM
Settle.


You aren't settling for anything. We got new owners last year. They said they would cement us in the top ten. Season number one we over achieved and Pulis got his 1st ever top 10 finish. He will now be expected to repeat that. Last summer we made 2 quality additions to the starting line up. In the winter we made another one. Progression. We can safely expect another one or 2 major signings to follow Rodriguez through the door before August 31st.


Wanting everything right now is why Villa find themselves a mid table Championship club... See what I did there... meanwhile we go from strength to strength despite having a quite deluded and frankly embarrassing minority of fans (mostly on twitter) that blame the club daily for all the world's ills.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on July 12, 2017, 10:49:03 AM
Debate properly or more posts will be removed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on July 12, 2017, 11:04:27 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 12, 2017, 10:48:19 AM
Settle.


You aren't settling for anything. We got new owners last year. They said they would cement us in the top ten. Season number one we over achieved and Pulis got his 1st ever top 10 finish. He will now be expected to repeat that. Last summer we made 2 quality additions to the starting line up. In the winter we made another one. Progression. We can safely expect another one or 2 major signings to follow Rodriguez through the door before August 31st.


Wanting everything right now is why Villa find themselves a mid table Championship club... See what I did there... meanwhile we go from strength to strength despite having a quite deluded and frankly embarrassing minority of fans (mostly on twitter) that blame the club daily for all the world's ills.

Would you class Livermore as a real quality addition?

What has he done to show this?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 12, 2017, 11:10:34 AM
I'd like to know what "strength to strength" we are going from and to...

Nothing other tha stagnating as far as im concerned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2017, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: Morany on July 12, 2017, 11:04:27 AM
Would you class Livermore as a real quality addition?

What has he done to show this?


won a few england caps i suppose
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on July 12, 2017, 11:16:42 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2017, 11:15:44 AM

won a few england caps i suppose

David Nugent won an England Cap  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 12, 2017, 11:19:31 AM
Quote from: Morany on July 12, 2017, 11:04:27 AM
Would you class Livermore as a real quality addition?

What has he done to show this?

He's good enough for the England team? Our first outfield England player since 1984? He's obviously shown some sort of quality to be considered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on July 12, 2017, 11:50:34 AM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on July 12, 2017, 11:19:31 AM
He's good enough for the England team? Our first outfield England player since 1984? He's obviously shown some sort of quality to be considered.

I know he's in the England team, I've been in both Germany and Scotland to see him play.

I'm asking what he's done since we signed him to suggest he was a 'quality addition' . Probably poorly worded.

For me since he signed he has been distinctly average but I think he has a lot more to offer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 12, 2017, 12:22:58 PM
Him Chadli and Evans all improve our starting XI... Not sure what else there is to say?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on July 12, 2017, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 12, 2017, 12:22:58 PM
Him Chadli and Evans all improve our starting XI... Not sure what else there is to say?
I agree Jacko, they definitely do. The question is are we seeing the best of them? Evans probably yes but, with the other 2, I think they are capable of so much more and it wouldn't take a complete change in mindset, just allow them a little bit more freedom.

We saw signs in the middle of the season and it paid dividends, but, for reasons unknown we seemed to shrink back into our shell towards the end.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on July 12, 2017, 01:21:06 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 12, 2017, 12:22:58 PM
Him Chadli and Evans all improve our starting XI... Not sure what else there is to say?


Well I'll tell ya then shall I Jacko m' lad? .......... but, but , TP's taught them all to launch the ball as though it were being fired from a trebuchet...... he wants Chadli to run SOooo much that he's SOooo knackered in games that he misses open goals........and, and, he's ruining Evans by making him dig trenches all the time....... I'm not sure he can cope and he'll be on his bike before we know it, if only the poor lamb could find a ramp to ride up the sides of his trench and be on his way because he's far-far too good for us....... and, and, Tone just dow know woreeeeeeez doooooin' ay it :P  :P  ;) .

Edit away or delete as you see fit Mods  8) ..........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 12, 2017, 01:26:04 PM
Livermore has been bang average for us so far and I couldn't believe he got into England first team. Hope with pre season he improves for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2017, 01:34:53 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 12, 2017, 12:22:58 PM
Him Chadli and Evans all improve our starting XI... Not sure what else there is to say?


quite possibly at the start of the season and the flip flops came out about march
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on July 12, 2017, 07:15:01 PM
The one thing I think everyone can agree, TP is marmite. ;D



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie79 on July 12, 2017, 07:34:02 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on July 12, 2017, 07:15:01 PM
The one thing I think everyone can agree, TP is marmite. ;D

Never a more accurate comment that just sums this thread up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 12, 2017, 07:42:19 PM
I saw that 79 commented on the Pulis thread and for a glorious moment i thought our long winter was over  :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 12, 2017, 07:47:39 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on July 12, 2017, 07:15:01 PM
The one thing I think everyone can agree, TP is marmite. ;D
Some would prefer he was "toast".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on July 12, 2017, 07:50:37 PM
Livermore was a good signing by Pulis and was/is the natural successor to Fletcher. He proved last year he was good and the England caps are a testament to it.
I personally think Pulis got it wrong playing Livermore next to Fletcher, when it should have been Livermore and Yacob.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 12, 2017, 08:42:12 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on July 12, 2017, 07:47:39 PM
Some would prefer he was "toast".
Had we not appointed him. I think WBA would have been "Toast" as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 12, 2017, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on July 12, 2017, 07:50:37 PM
Livermore was a good signing by Pulis and was/is the natural successor to Fletcher. He proved last year he was good and the England caps are a testament to it.
I personally think Pulis got it wrong playing Livermore next to Fletcher, when it should have been Livermore and Yacob.
Maybe evaluating the pair and Fletcher was deemed not good? Not demeaning him in anyway. He did a very good job for us and I wish him well. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on July 12, 2017, 08:49:40 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on July 12, 2017, 08:42:12 PM
Had we not appointed him. I think WBA would have been "Toast" as well.
Except we wouldn't.  We may have been relegated, we may have not (we could equally have done a "Leicester") but ultimately the club would still be there with or without him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on July 12, 2017, 08:53:01 PM
I still maintain Irvine would have kept us up. But I'm glad we have Pulis and hope we can make sign some real quality in the upcoming weeks as this season is going to be very very tough with a lot of clubs spending big money which means staying in this league for another season will be a very good achievement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on July 12, 2017, 08:53:08 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2017, 09:39:30 AM
I think and hope hes only got another season in him at best.i want to come back. i suspect his support is 50/50 at this time. its going to be a negative atmosphere up there this season me thinks
I don't believe that 50% of Albion supporters want TP out. It is crazy to make such a supposition based on what gets posted on this forum and social media. I think that the "core" of our support back him. and the increase in season ticket sales albeit small, indicates that most are happy to give him this season at least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 12, 2017, 09:12:38 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on July 12, 2017, 08:53:08 PM
I don't believe that 50% of Albion supporters want TP out. It is crazy to make such a supposition based on what gets posted on this forum and social media. I think that the "core" of our support back him. and the increase in season ticket sales albeit small, indicates that most are happy to give him this season at least.
I think you are spot on.Most cerebral supporters realised the clubs position and have carried on attending.
Hes has done a very good job.
Let's see what happens next?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2017, 10:21:53 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on July 12, 2017, 08:53:08 PM
I don't believe that 50% of Albion supporters want TP out. It is crazy to make such a supposition based on what gets posted on this forum and social media. I think that the "core" of our support back him. and the increase in season ticket sales albeit small, indicates that most are happy to give him this season at least.


You might be right about giving him another season,let's just wait and see but I would put my caravan on it this time next season the percentage wanting him out will have grown.  I am happy your happy with turgid negative football and showing no ambition  but that's up to you. I would be more than happy to sacrifice the greed league to watch a beautiful game of football and get value for my money but I can understand his supporters just happy to be floating going nowhere and being frustratingly bored
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on July 12, 2017, 10:51:43 PM
Remember Charlton fans getting bored of being mid table, I wonder how they feel now?  :-X

Be careful what you wish for. These are the good times, hopefully we can try and win one of the cups but other than that there's not much more you can expect.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wappingbaggie on July 13, 2017, 01:00:18 AM
Quote
Be careful what you wish for. These are the good times, hopefully we can try and win one of the cups but other than that there's not much more you can expect.

Trouble is they really dont feel that good. I've never felt less excited about a new season . NEVER.

Cups: nearest we got was under Mowbray. We have been DISMAL in cups for a decade
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 13, 2017, 01:12:46 AM
Quote from: wappingbaggie on July 13, 2017, 01:00:18 AM

Be careful what you wish for. These are the good times, hopefully we can try and win one of the cups but other than that there's not much more you can expect.


Trouble is they really dont feel that good. I've never felt less excited about a new season . NEVER.

Cups: nearest we got was under Mowbray. We have been DISMAL in cups for a decade
four appearance in fa cup semi-final since we last won the competition in 68. Leicester done us 69, Ipswich 78, QPR 82 and Portsmouth 2008 that's in 49 years not even 1 appearance a decade and we were known as a cup team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 13, 2017, 01:17:23 AM
Just realised isn't this season coming 50 years since we won our last cup competition 67-68 season 2017-2018 season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Avonbaggie on July 13, 2017, 08:15:17 AM
Quote from: paulosull on July 13, 2017, 01:17:23 AM
Just realised isn't this season coming 50 years since we won our last cup competition 67-68 season 2017-2018 season.

Yes maybe we can blame TP for that as well  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 13, 2017, 02:41:51 PM
Irvine would have taken us down. He was an utterly abysmal appointment and sums us up over the past few seasons really. Pulis was the right man at the time, but I have not witnessed football so poor as the season before last in many a year and the start and end of last season was much the same.

It has to be an improvement this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on July 13, 2017, 05:25:40 PM
Pulis is doing ok. Don't enjoy the football but his system suits the team of decent honest professionals he has got together, and will usually just about keep us out of relegation. What is missing is a 'hero' a talisman player fans can get excited about. Even in among the greats there was the King and Bomber, then the three degrees, followed by the likes of Bob Taylor and then SKP and even Odemwhingie to some extent. But over the seasons since we have never had that sort of hero who gets the goals that defeat our rivals or puts the wind up the top six clubs defenders. Then again if we ever got somebody like that then how long would we be able to keep him? Premier League I really am beginning to despise the whole thing, and I do not blame Pulis for being who he is and what he is, I blame the greedy money grabbing Murdochs who have taken sport, not just football away from its roots and sold it to the highest bidders who only care about how much they can make from it and care nothing for the inherent traditions and affections that make the sports what they are. Pulis does what he knows how to do and I just hope we can see it through to better times
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 13, 2017, 08:00:16 PM
With so many openly disillusioned with the Premier League, why do we strive so badly to stay here?

I'm trying to be as serious as I can with that question, I honestly wouldn't give two hoots if we went down. I go to see West Brom, not Man United/Chelsea/Man City and the rest of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on July 13, 2017, 09:01:57 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 13, 2017, 08:00:16 PM
With so many openly disillusioned with the Premier League, why do we strive so badly to stay here?

I'm trying to be as serious as I can with that question, I honestly wouldn't give two hoots if we went down. I go to see West Brom, not Man United/Chelsea/Man City and the rest of them.

Problem is if we went down and didn't come back up in a couple seasons, I think would ruin us as a football club, we are punching above our weight 100%, our stadium wouldn't look out of place in championship and even league one to a certain extent. We're not the most successful club,  most our fa cup victories are pre war, fan base is not huge (but hopefully expanding with new owners ). So i would say it is a complete necessity for us to remain in this division with the pure financial clout involved  in the premier league, we inevitably will improve but it is a transition and not instant so to stay in the pl is vital. I for one definately would not wish to return to the championship and hope we carry on in the premier league as that  (whether we like it or not) is the best we're going to get for a while. Granted cup runs could improve but I'd only like to be succesful in a cup if our safety is guaranteed as winning a cup ( as sad as it sounds) isn't as valuable as staying in the premier league for a club our size at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on July 13, 2017, 09:37:39 PM
Quote from: section5 on July 13, 2017, 09:01:57 PM
Problem is if we went down and didn't come back up in a couple seasons, I think would ruin us as a football club, we are punching above our weight 100%, our stadium wouldn't look out of place in championship and even league one to a certain extent. We're not the most successful club,  most our fa cup victories are pre war, fan base is not huge (but hopefully expanding with new owners ). So i would say it is a complete necessity for us to remain in this division with the pure financial clout involved  in the premier league, we inevitably will improve but it is a transition and not instant so to stay in the pl is vital. I for one definately would not wish to return to the championship and hope we carry on in the premier league as that  (whether we like it or not) is the best we're going to get for a while. Granted cup runs could improve but I'd only like to be succesful in a cup if our safety is guaranteed as winning a cup ( as sad as it sounds) isn't as valuable as staying in the premier league for a club our size at the moment.
fair point, for me I couldn't care less about the money so winning the FA CUP would be priceless, its something you may never see in a lifetime  but promotions and relegations I've had my fill. I want glory and honours for the club not a good bank balance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 13, 2017, 09:43:49 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 13, 2017, 08:00:16 PM
With so many openly disillusioned with the Premier League, why do we strive so badly to stay here?

I'm trying to be as serious as I can with that question, I honestly wouldn't give two hoots if we went down. I go to see West Brom, not Man United/Chelsea/Man City and the rest of them.

From a financial point of view it's the only place to be but as a paying spectator I couldn't care less. The league lost its spectacle years ago.

After a sh*t week a work just watching a half decent game of football once in a blue moon would do me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on July 13, 2017, 09:46:44 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 13, 2017, 08:00:16 PM
With so many openly disillusioned with the Premier League, why do we strive so badly to stay here?

I'm trying to be as serious as I can with that question, I honestly wouldn't give two hoots if we went down. I go to see West Brom, not Man United/Chelsea/Man City and the rest of them.

My thoughts exactly... Kyle Walker for £50m sums it up. I'm on the verge of packing in league football.

Anyway, Pulis is on the brink according to twitter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tex on July 13, 2017, 09:50:14 PM
is he supposed to be on the brink because we are not getting players over the line?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scruffy Stan on July 13, 2017, 09:51:31 PM
Or is he on the brink of signing Kyle Walker for £50m?   :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on July 13, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: tex on July 13, 2017, 09:50:14 PM
is he supposed to be on the brink because we are not getting players over the line?

Two more signings apparently then the squad is to be topped up with youth.

That's why he is fuming. Just stating what I have read elsewhere. No idea if there's any mileage in it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 13, 2017, 10:49:34 PM
Everything I've seen on Twitter tonight re Pulis is utter bollo(ks or to put it more politely fabrication and conjecture mixed in with heaps of wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on July 14, 2017, 11:12:23 AM
We're not getting players because he won't sign foreign players who haven't played in Britain and he's ignoring young specialised players out infront of him because he doesn't trust youth.
He's holding us back. We'll struggle next season and if Phillips' hamstring or Jay Rods knee injuries reoccur we could be down before the Christmas decorations.
And if we do stay up it'll be very, very painful to watch.
I'd love him to prove me and the other doubters wrong but sadly he won't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on July 14, 2017, 12:07:28 PM
I just don't see any scenario where Pulis walks unless he has another PL or Chinese job to walk in to (which to my knowledge he doesn't, or certainly not PL anyway and I doubt he's high profile enough for a job in China.

He's millions in the hole to Palace. Why would he walk away when he could just sit it out and wait to be fired with a big pay off?

As much as it pains me I'd be absolute shocked if he was going anywhere
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on July 14, 2017, 04:01:45 PM
I'm still hoping he gets a new contract. The man has worked miracles here and will only continue to improve us if he's being backed. At the moment we'll do very well to stay in this league but a few quality additions and I have no doubt that Pulis will get us top 10 again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 14, 2017, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: Legend on July 14, 2017, 04:01:45 PM
I'm still hoping he gets a new contract. The man has worked miracles here and will only continue to improve us if he's being backed. At the moment we'll do very well to stay in this league but a few quality additions and I have no doubt that Pulis will get us top 10 again.


Certainly has that, hes killed off my love for the game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 14, 2017, 04:28:56 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 14, 2017, 04:13:58 PM

Certainly has that, hes killed off my love for the game

Same here.

Another who id like to explain how he worked miracles. Wehave spent 8 consectutive years in this league under 6 different Managers, yet none have killed my passion for football like Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Beefy on July 19, 2017, 05:39:56 PM
The Baggies drew 1-1 with Leicester in Hong Kong, but lost the semi-final on penalties and now play Crystal Palace on Saturday in a third-placed play-off.

Pulis, though, was pleased with how his players coped with the humid conditions after a gruelling training schedule.

“We overload our players enormously in the first two weeks,” he said. “The lads have done a morning, an afternoon, and an evening session.

“We do two weeks of overloading and then we cut back and get a lot of short sharp stuff in.

“The first two weeks are important, so you get the strength into their legs so they don’t pick up muscular injuries.

“We played in very difficult conditions with the humidity and we got all the players through, so we’re pleased.”

The Baggies boss only had three senior outfield players on his bench, including Nacer Chadli, who refused to go to Austria.

Pulis is keen to sign 'three or four' more players before the transfer window shuts, but admitted that the squad was not going to swell much beyond that.

“They [Leicester] are bringing on multi-million pound players," said Pulis. "We’re bringing on young kids. But that’s West Brom.

“We’re hoping to get three or four more added to the squad, they’re going to be three or four players we hope that are better than what we’ve got so we improve it.

“But we won’t and we can’t get an enormous squad of players.”


Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/foo...LL2czsO.99
3 or 4 is fine as long as they improve our first team
Fingers crossed !!!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on July 19, 2017, 06:09:38 PM
Another 3 or 4 quality players is perfectly fine, as long as they truly do improve the first team. If we can get a starting centre back, left back, centre mid and then take a punt on a cheap/young striker then I'd be happy. Honestly, if we ended up with Gibbs, Smalling/Gibson and Delph then I'd say it has been a very successful window.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on July 19, 2017, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: Beefy on July 19, 2017, 05:39:56 PM
The Baggies drew 1-1 with Leicester in Hong Kong, but lost the semi-final on penalties and now play Crystal Palace on Saturday in a third-placed play-off.

Pulis, though, was pleased with how his players coped with the humid conditions after a gruelling training schedule.

“We overload our players enormously in the first two weeks,” he said. “The lads have done a morning, an afternoon, and an evening session.

“We do two weeks of overloading and then we cut back and get a lot of short sharp stuff in.

“The first two weeks are important, so you get the strength into their legs so they don’t pick up muscular injuries.

“We played in very difficult conditions with the humidity and we got all the players through, so we’re pleased.”

The Baggies boss only had three senior outfield players on his bench, including Nacer Chadli, who refused to go to Austria.

Pulis is keen to sign 'three or four' more players before the transfer window shuts, but admitted that the squad was not going to swell much beyond that.

“They [Leicester] are bringing on multi-million pound players," said Pulis. "We’re bringing on young kids. But that’s West Brom.

“We’re hoping to get three or four more added to the squad, they’re going to be three or four players we hope that are better than what we’ve got so we improve it.

“But we won’t and we can’t get an enormous squad of players.”


Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/foo...LL2czsO.99
3 or 4 is fine as long as they improve our first team
Fingers crossed !!!!!!

'“They  are bringing on multi-million pound players," said Pulis. "We’re bringing on young kids. But that’s West Brom.'

He has said that probably most windows!. Hopefully we can get in the quality we need.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 19, 2017, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: Beefy on July 19, 2017, 05:39:56 PM
The Baggies drew 1-1 with Leicester in Hong Kong, but lost the semi-final on penalties and now play Crystal Palace on Saturday in a third-placed play-off.

Pulis, though, was pleased with how his players coped with the humid conditions after a gruelling training schedule.

“We overload our players enormously in the first two weeks,” he said. “The lads have done a morning, an afternoon, and an evening session.

“We do two weeks of overloading and then we cut back and get a lot of short sharp stuff in.

“The first two weeks are important, so you get the strength into their legs so they don’t pick up muscular injuries.

“We played in very difficult conditions with the humidity and we got all the players through, so we’re pleased.”

The Baggies boss only had three senior outfield players on his bench, including Nacer Chadli, who refused to go to Austria.

Pulis is keen to sign 'three or four' more players before the transfer window shuts, but admitted that the squad was not going to swell much beyond that.

“They [Leicester] are bringing on multi-million pound players," said Pulis. "We’re bringing on young kids. But that’s West Brom.

“We’re hoping to get three or four more added to the squad, they’re going to be three or four players we hope that are better than what we’ve got so we improve it.

“But we won’t and we can’t get an enormous squad of players.”


Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/foo...LL2czsO.99
3 or 4 is fine as long as they improve our first team
Fingers crossed !!!!!!

A team that have been in League One whilst we have been in the Premier League are bringing on multi million pound players, we are bringing on kids, but that's West Brom. And people wonder why the fans aren't happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on July 19, 2017, 06:46:28 PM
doesn't exactly fill you with hope does it. just wish they backed the manager with funds to get quality players that's needed at least that way we will all see if pulis would play a different style if he's got the players. get the impression our new owners will be even more prudent than Peace with money just look at some of the schemes and price increases so far, its all about wringing every last penny from fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on July 19, 2017, 06:56:20 PM
To be fair, a guy that called off the Camacho deal and decided against persuing William Carvalho due to concerns over his 'athletisism' has no right to moan about not having enough quality.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on July 19, 2017, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: wba_1996 on July 19, 2017, 06:56:20 PM
To be fair, a guy that called off the Camacho deal and decided against persuing William Carvalho due to concerns over his 'athletisism' has no right to moan about not having enough quality.
would happily be proved wrong by the club but I don't think the money needed to by those players is available.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on July 19, 2017, 11:52:04 PM
Quote from: Beefy on July 19, 2017, 05:39:56 PM
The Baggies drew 1-1 with Leicester in Hong Kong, but lost the semi-final on penalties and now play Crystal Palace on Saturday in a third-placed play-off.

Pulis, though, was pleased with how his players coped with the humid conditions after a gruelling training schedule.

“We overload our players enormously in the first two weeks,” he said. “The lads have done a morning, an afternoon, and an evening session.

“We do two weeks of overloading and then we cut back and get a lot of short sharp stuff in.

“The first two weeks are important, so you get the strength into their legs so they don’t pick up muscular injuries.

“We played in very difficult conditions with the humidity and we got all the players through, so we’re pleased.”

The Baggies boss only had three senior outfield players on his bench, including Nacer Chadli, who refused to go to Austria.

Pulis is keen to sign 'three or four' more players before the transfer window shuts, but admitted that the squad was not going to swell much beyond that.

“They [Leicester] are bringing on multi-million pound players," said Pulis. "We’re bringing on young kids. But that’s West Brom.

“We’re hoping to get three or four more added to the squad, they’re going to be three or four players we hope that are better than what we’ve got so we improve it.

“But we won’t and we can’t get an enormous squad of players.”


Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/foo...LL2czsO.99
3 or 4 is fine as long as they improve our first team
Fingers crossed !!!!!!

Don't particularly like either of those two comments and they don't exactly inspire confidence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 20, 2017, 12:26:55 AM
New owner's same old problem lack of investment which really should be addressed. Rumours about transfers over 10 million and Albion only happen once in window
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on July 20, 2017, 01:26:14 AM
Does Pulis set the budget? I can't disagree with Camacho but I am sure he would spend big given the chance. What is the one consistent thing that every manager has said under Peace and now Lai "We are working within a strict budget, thats how West Brom do things". Hodgson, Clarke, Irvine and Pulis have all said the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on July 20, 2017, 01:31:18 AM
Stoke are being quoted £13 for Fabian Delph. I know his wage demands will be high but surely this is the type of player we should be aiming to attract. We all got excited when the billionaire Chinese owners took over but so far they have given fans little to get excited about. Now is the time to invest in our ageing squad. It will cost a lot more to get back into the Premiership if we were relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on July 20, 2017, 02:08:47 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on July 20, 2017, 01:26:14 AM
Does Pulis set the budget? I can't disagree with Camacho but I am sure he would spend big given the chance. What is the one consistent thing that every manager has said under Peace and now Lai "We are working within a strict budget, thats how West Brom do things". Hodgson, Clarke, Irvine and Pulis have all said the same.

I am pretty sure TP wishes he can spend more money like most managers. For one reason or under we are stricter with spending.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on July 20, 2017, 04:50:06 AM
Quote from: royhan on July 20, 2017, 01:31:18 AM
Stoke are being quoted £13 for Fabian Delph. I know his wage demands will be high but surely this is the type of player we should be aiming to attract. We all got excited when the billionaire Chinese owners took over but so far they have given fans little to get excited about. Now is the time to invest in our ageing squad. It will cost a lot more to get back into the Premiership if we were relegated.
Totally agree with this. Not asking to bankrupt the club just what is a sensible amount to give us a chance to stay in the Prem. When I say sensible I mean in the context of the current crazy transfer prices and wages. e.g. Troy Deeney £30m on £100000 per week  !!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on July 20, 2017, 07:42:17 AM
Quote from: royhan on July 20, 2017, 01:31:18 AM
Stoke are being quoted £13 for Fabian Delph. I know his wage demands will be high but surely this is the type of player we should be aiming to attract. We all got excited when the billionaire Chinese owners took over but so far they have given fans little to get excited about. Now is the time to invest in our ageing squad. It will cost a lot more to get back into the Premiership if we were relegated.

When we get relegated due to lack of squad investment and boring unimaginative approach there will be no coming back and in that there should be far greater concern because what will the Chinese do when the club is not making them any profit .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on July 20, 2017, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: SirTonyM on July 20, 2017, 01:26:14 AM
Does Pulis set the budget? I can't disagree with Camacho but I am sure he would spend big given the chance. What is the one consistent thing that every manager has said under Peace and now Lai "We are working within a strict budget, thats how West Brom do things". Hodgson, Clarke, Irvine and Pulis have all said the same.

I think they were towing the club line. They would have been well informed of how the club does things right from the very start.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on July 20, 2017, 08:14:23 AM
If anyone thinks we'll be signing 3-4 quality players that improve the squad then I think they're sadly deluding themselves. How many times has Pulis said this during a transfer window and how many times has it actually happened? We'll be very lucky if we even get 2 more players that actually substantially improve the quality of the squad, let alone 3-4.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 20, 2017, 10:54:42 AM
Quote from: Barrington on July 20, 2017, 08:14:23 AM
If anyone thinks we'll be signing 3-4 quality players that improve the squad then I think they're sadly deluding themselves. How many times has Pulis said this during a transfer window and how many times has it actually happened? We'll be very lucky if we even get 2 more players that actually substantially improve the quality of the squad, let alone 3-4.

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree. I hope to be proven wrong and pleasantly surprised but I have a feeling that our Premier league status is going to hinge on keeping the 1st choice 11 injury free. The core of our squad is easily capable of keeping us up and doing ok, but a few injuries to key players (J-Rod, Phillips, Evans, Yacob, Livermore, Rondon etc), and we are struggling big time. I'm happy with the 2 signings so far but think we need a minimum of 4 quality players at CB, LB, CM and CF.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 20, 2017, 01:42:41 PM
Since the Chinese have taken over they have invested in transfers and loans not including kid loaned out to weirder Bremen 23 million and received 13.5 million. In the red for 9.5 million, I'd expect a top of the table division one team to spend that much and they get no where near the money a prem team has got. My question is where have all the transfer fund's gone????
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on July 20, 2017, 03:14:53 PM
Quote from: paulosull on July 20, 2017, 01:42:41 PM
Since the Chinese have taken over they have invested in transfers and loans not including kid loaned out to weirder Bremen 23 million and received 13.5 million. In the red for 9.5 million, I'd expect a top of the table division one team to spend that much and they get no where near the money a prem team has got. My question is where have all the transfer fund's gone????

Can you post your figures please? I assume it accounts for wages, inflation, agent costs and the rest of the behind scenes things that im guessing you can tell me about?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ABaggie on July 20, 2017, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on July 20, 2017, 03:14:53 PM
Can you post your figures please? I assume it accounts for wages, inflation, agent costs and the rest of the behind scenes things that im guessing you can tell me about?

Well said!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 20, 2017, 03:26:09 PM
Quote from: Barrington on July 20, 2017, 08:14:23 AM
If anyone thinks we'll be signing 3-4 quality players that improve the squad then I think they're sadly deluding themselves. How many times has Pulis said this during a transfer window and how many times has it actually happened? We'll be very lucky if we even get 2 more players that actually substantially improve the quality of the squad, let alone 3-4.

Interestingly, how little did we spend last season and how easily did we reach 40 points? We gave up once we got the 40 point trophy which is by no means a reflection of our transfer business, more the players and management.

I'd love 3-4 new players which appear to add more quality to the team. But I think people are being blissfully ignorant to the fact that we finished 10th (should have been 8th) with very little in the way of squad investment. That bubble may burst, but the argument that 'if we don't sign 3-4 players we are going to get relegated and left behind' is not only incorrect but also impossible to quantify until the end of the season. It was said last season and we COMFORTABLY survived. How many people have stood up and said 'I was wrong last season, I'll hold my tongue this season.'

Also think logically. Lets say we won 1 more game last season (or however many we needed) and finished 8th. Would we be urging the club to spend the tens if not hundred million required to push Everton all the way to 7th. Or the couple hundred million to push for 6th.

We could literally throw endless amounts of money at this problem going forward. We haven't yet and it hasn't affected us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on July 20, 2017, 03:35:31 PM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on July 20, 2017, 03:26:09 PM
Interestingly, how little did we spend last season and how easily did we reach 40 points? We gave up once we got the 40 point trophy which is by no means a reflection of our transfer business, more the players and management.

I'd love 3-4 new players which appear to add more quality to the team. But I think people are being blissfully ignorant to the fact that we finished 10th (should have been 8th) with very little in the way of squad investment. That bubble may burst, but the argument that 'if we don't sign 3-4 players we are going to get relegated and left behind' is not only incorrect but also impossible to quantify until the end of the season. It was said last season and we COMFORTABLY survived. How many people have stood up and said 'I was wrong last season, I'll hold my tongue this season.'

Also think logically. Lets say we won 1 more game last season (or however many we needed) and finished 8th. Would we be urging the club to spend the tens if not hundred million required to push Everton all the way to 7th. Or the couple hundred million to push for 6th.

We could literally throw endless amounts of money at this problem going forward. We haven't yet and it hasn't affected us.
I don't want endless amounts just the £40m net we were told was in the transfer kitty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 20, 2017, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: bry on July 20, 2017, 03:35:31 PM
I don't want endless amounts just the £40m net we were told was in the transfer kitty.
how do we know it was net?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on July 20, 2017, 03:43:47 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on July 20, 2017, 03:39:58 PM
how do we know it was net?
we dont its what I want to see us spend. and anyway we havent sold anyone to to that kitty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on July 20, 2017, 03:46:20 PM
I want to see us spend 340 mil and buy neymar...but that isnt going to happen and im not going to moan about it.

Not aiming that at you bry or paulasulls previous comment i just see using there unfound expectations as a stick to beat the club with and i dont understand the logic behind it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on July 20, 2017, 03:52:46 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on July 20, 2017, 03:46:20 PM
I want to see us spend 340 mil and buy neymar...but that isnt going to happen and im not going to moan about it.

Not aiming that at you bry or paulasulls previous comment i just see using there unfound expectations as a stick to beat the club with and i dont understand the logic behind it
why is wanting us to spend the£40m the club said was the transfer budget unfound expectations? and how is this beating the club with a stick?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on July 20, 2017, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: bry on July 20, 2017, 03:52:46 PM
why is wanting us to spend the£40m the club said was the transfer budget unfound expectations? and how is this beating the club with a stick?

Where have the club said we have 40 million to spend?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on July 20, 2017, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: MarkW on July 20, 2017, 04:01:03 PM
Where have the club said we have 40 million to spend?
So have I underestimated the budget then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 20, 2017, 04:17:29 PM
Turn the argument around; why wouldnt we have £40m to spend??

Every other club in this league does
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on July 20, 2017, 04:27:03 PM
If we get a proper left back and proper right back, who are better than what we've already got, I couldn't care less if they are 2 for 1 from Lidl!
The money is irrelevant, they just need to be better than what we have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hayward1984 on July 20, 2017, 04:29:44 PM
Where's the money gone Tom?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 20, 2017, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on July 20, 2017, 04:27:03 PM
If we get a proper left back and proper right back, who are better than what we've already got, I couldn't care less if they are 2 for 1 from Lidl!
The money is irrelevant, they just need to be better than what we have.

When Kelvin Stewart joins Hull for £8m then we have to realise we have to maybe pay more than we have done in the past.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on July 20, 2017, 04:36:26 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on July 20, 2017, 04:27:03 PM
If we get a proper left back and proper right back, who are better than what we've already got, I couldn't care less if they are 2 for 1 from Lidl!
The money is irrelevant, they just need to be better than what we have.
Irrelevant???? So spending bears no relation to league position? So I look forward to us winning the Prem this season then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on July 20, 2017, 04:44:30 PM
Quote from: bry on July 20, 2017, 04:36:26 PM
Irrelevant???? So spending bears no relation to league position? So I look forward to us winning the Prem this season then.

Spend doesn't have any relation to league position.

Wages however...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on July 20, 2017, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: MarkW on July 20, 2017, 04:44:30 PM
Spend doesn't have any relation to league position.

Wages however...
we are dancing on the head of a pin here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on July 20, 2017, 04:48:32 PM
Quote from: MarkW on July 20, 2017, 04:44:30 PM
Spend doesn't have any relation to league position.

Wages however...
are wages not part of a clubs spend then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 20, 2017, 04:51:45 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on July 20, 2017, 03:14:53 PM
Can you post your figures please? I assume it accounts for wages, inflation, agent costs and the rest of the behind scenes things that im guessing you can tell me about?
only mentioned transfer fees and loan fees ok
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on July 20, 2017, 04:54:06 PM
Quote from: paulosull on July 20, 2017, 04:51:45 PM
only mentioned transfer fees and loan fees ok

So in short, you cant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 20, 2017, 04:55:54 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on July 20, 2017, 03:46:20 PM
I want to see us spend 340 mil and buy neymar...but that isnt going to happen and im not going to moan about it.

Not aiming that at you bry or paulasulls previous comment i just see using there unfound expectations as a stick to beat the club with and i dont understand the logic behind it
lack of investment in first team  effects the way we play at the minute and wrong or right our owners believe that with our coaches not how he will keep us in prem no matter how awful we play
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on July 20, 2017, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 20, 2017, 04:17:29 PM
Turn the argument around; why wouldnt we have £40m to spend??

Every other club in this league does

How do you know we wont spend 40 mil by the end of the transfer window?

Can i borrow your crystal ball to get next weeks lottery numbers  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 20, 2017, 05:00:49 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on July 20, 2017, 04:54:06 PM
So in short, you cant.
Only mentioned fees on player's mate that have been made public. So stop trying  to be a smart backside
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 20, 2017, 05:01:37 PM
Quote from: paulosull on July 20, 2017, 04:55:54 PM
lack of investment in first team  effects the way we play at the minute and wrong or right our owners believe that with our coaches not how he will keep us in prem no matter how awful we play
Stoke used to regularly be in the top 5 for spending under Pulis... the football was still awful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on July 20, 2017, 05:05:35 PM
Quote from: paulosull on July 20, 2017, 05:00:49 PM
Only mentioned fees on player's mate that have been made public. So stop trying  to be a smart backside

Transfers dont just work like that and you full well know it. Thats not me being a smart backside, thats a fact.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 20, 2017, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on July 20, 2017, 05:05:35 PM
Transfers dont just work like that and you full well know it. Thats not me being a smart backside, thats a fact.
my initial post only mentioned transfer fees and the lack of funds being used to strengthen first team. The example I gave was a top division 1 team that has probably spent more on transfers in one and a half Windows  ( haven't got proof could be an exaggeration) . Point being  lack of funds being used  on first team squad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 20, 2017, 06:50:18 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on July 20, 2017, 04:56:55 PM
How do you know we wont spend 40 mil by the end of the transfer window?

Can i borrow your crystal ball to get next weeks lottery numbers  ;D

Where did I say we won't?

I simply put it the other way round to the way you, and others, were addressing their opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on July 21, 2017, 08:22:00 AM
We have one of the lowest incomes in the Premier League that won't change regardless of how long we spend in the division nor will it change regardless of ownership which is very unlikely to subsidise our operating costs e.g. buy players from their own pocket.

I am fairly confident there is around £40m to £50m that could be spent this window. Only time will tell whether I am right on that. However in Pulis' preferred market e.g. British based Premier League at peak or slightly beyond peak age that doesn't go very far. Equally the residual value of his typical purchases diminishes pretty quickly e.g. if you don't buy bright up and coming players you don't get any windfalls from selling the next Scot Sinclair to Man City.

The signing of Hegazi is encouraging if it marks a departure from this template because it will make the budget that he has got go a lot further and maybe we won't see a stream of overseas deals and ones for younger players in England pass us by, although there are more than a few of those ships that have already sailed.

In fairness to both the club and Pulis a player may have little or no interest in joining us and as such just assuming that if we spent a little bit more money that we would have the pick of the Premier League player pool is naive.

The cards that Pulis or any other Albion Head Coach has been dealt are what they are. He doesn't make his life any easier nor does he have to be so damn negative in his approach, we have fans for that. I would just love to get through a press conference without hearing how much money the opposition has spent (sorry correction I do when we are struggling to beat or losing to a lower league side in the cup).

If we have to wait until we have a better squad than most of the Division before we can open up our play a little largely then we have a long wait.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 22, 2017, 02:50:05 PM
ok i get it its pre season but just to remind some we aint won a game of football for 4 months
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 22, 2017, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 22, 2017, 02:50:05 PM
ok i get it its pre season but just to remind some we aint won a game of football for 4 months

I'd be less concerned if it was against lower league opposition as daft as that sounds.

Playing Prem opposition should actually mean regardless of effort put it by either side, quality will shine through and we've now gone 11 games against Premier League opponents without a win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on July 22, 2017, 02:59:07 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 22, 2017, 02:50:05 PM
ok i get it its pre season but just to remind some we aint won a game of football for 4 months

That is a fact that nobody can deny DEVON!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on July 22, 2017, 03:25:28 PM
Using results from pre season friendlies to back up an argument is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on July 22, 2017, 03:37:11 PM
I have got a funny feeling we may be after a new manager very soon. Trouble in camp I believe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 22, 2017, 03:42:48 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on July 22, 2017, 03:37:11 PM
I have got a funny feeling we may be after a new manager very soon. Trouble in camp I believe.
wishful thinking  or what?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on July 22, 2017, 03:47:45 PM
Quote from: paulosull on July 22, 2017, 03:42:48 PM
wishful thinking  or what?
just a feeling in my water, bit of in house trouble I believe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on July 22, 2017, 04:31:20 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on July 22, 2017, 03:37:11 PM
I have got a funny feeling we may be after a new manager very soon. Trouble in camp I believe.

As i've said before TP is part of the problem why we struggle to get players in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on July 22, 2017, 05:01:34 PM
Change the name of the manager (and insert Clarke, Hodgson, Irvine, etc) and this feels like a regular Albion pre-season. If you look back over the past few years in the prem we seem to run into the same problems every year. Peace stated a few years ago that we are a championship club in the prem and there was an outcry and yet that's how we do things. I'm not a fan of Pulis or his style of play but he isn't the only problem. One question is why haven't we attracted a better manager before Pulis? Other than Hodgson who have we "enticed" would De Boer / Pellegrini / Pochettino ever have come to us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on July 22, 2017, 05:24:10 PM
All about money .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on July 22, 2017, 07:09:23 PM
Pulis looked far from a happy man on the touchline today, I thought, which is hardly surprising because things seem to be conspiring against him, and us, at the moment.

It's been widely reported that the Chinese government, after encouraging widespread investment in football at home and abroad, has now cracked down on money leaving their shores, which I believe is why we appear to be struggling to bring in new players.

It's clear that we need at least four quality players if we're to stay in the top half. Anything less will inevitably mean a relegation battle.

Other things are mitigating against us, too. The pound has fallen nearly 30 per cent over the last year, so a €30million player will cost nearly £30 million, rather more than the just over £20 million that same player would have cost last years. The weak pound also has an effect on wage demands for players coming in from some European countries, where players have special tax arrangements

Transfer fees have risen as well because of the new TV money and clubs with stronger squads than ours can afford to hang on to players rather than sell them on, even though they are surplus to requirements.

It's a seller's market and clubs know how desperate we are for players, which again adds a premium to any transfer fee we try to negotiate.

While clubs like Chelsea continue to be allowed to hoover up talent to the extent that they had something approaching 70 young players out on loan last year, most of whom will never get near the first team but are proving to be a nice little earner in terms of loan fees. Stoke agreeing to pay £7 million for Zouma shows just how crazy football finance are at the moment.

We are now paying the price for Jeremy Peace's parsimony in not speculating on players of the Robertson ilk, who didn't require a huge outlay when he went to Hull but will turn a good profit when he moves on.

Pulis had the look of a worried man and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him walk away. I know that will please many of his critics but if he does I can't see us finding anyone else to keep us up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 22, 2017, 07:16:10 PM
He will now start playing Evans further up the field more often.... the bloke is clueless.

Sooner he goes the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 22, 2017, 07:59:30 PM
Money generated by the Albion goes into the club's coffers correct me if I'm wrong. So the only way owner can get his hands on money is to take a salary or pay himself a dividend?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 22, 2017, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on July 22, 2017, 05:01:34 PM
Change the name of the manager (and insert Clarke, Hodgson, Irvine, etc) and this feels like a regular Albion pre-season. If you look back over the past few years in the prem we seem to run into the same problems every year. Peace stated a few years ago that we are a championship club in the prem and there was an outcry and yet that's how we do things. I'm not a fan of Pulis or his style of play but he isn't the only problem. One question is why haven't we attracted a better manager before Pulis? Other than Hodgson who have we "enticed" would De Boer / Pellegrini / Pochettino ever have come to us?
Because we weren't looking for an established name, we've leaned more towards up and coming mangers.

would they come to us? of course they would, so long as they were paid I don't think many care where they work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on July 23, 2017, 12:07:54 AM
Quote from: Xpresso on July 22, 2017, 07:09:23 PM
Pulis looked far from a happy man on the touchline today, I thought, which is hardly surprising because things seem to be conspiring against him, and us, at the moment.

It's been widely reported that the Chinese government, after encouraging widespread investment in football at home and abroad, has now cracked down on money leaving their shores, which I believe is why we appear to be struggling to bring in new players.

It's clear that we need at least four quality players if we're to stay in the top half. Anything less will inevitably mean a relegation battle.

Other things are mitigating against us, too. The pound has fallen nearly 30 per cent over the last year, so a €30million player will cost nearly £30 million, rather more than the just over £20 million that same player would have cost last years. The weak pound also has an effect on wage demands for players coming in from some European countries, where players have special tax arrangements

Transfer fees have risen as well because of the new TV money and clubs with stronger squads than ours can afford to hang on to players rather than sell them on, even though they are surplus to requirements.

It's a seller's market and clubs know how desperate we are for players, which again adds a premium to any transfer fee we try to negotiate.

While clubs like Chelsea continue to be allowed to hoover up talent to the extent that they had something approaching 70 young players out on loan last year, most of whom will never get near the first team but are proving to be a nice little earner in terms of loan fees. Stoke agreeing to pay £7 million for Zouma shows just how crazy football finance are at the moment.

We are now paying the price for Jeremy Peace's parsimony in not speculating on players of the Robertson ilk, who didn't require a huge outlay when he went to Hull but will turn a good profit when he moves on.

Pulis had the look of a worried man and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him walk away. I know that will please many of his critics but if he does I can't see us finding anyone else to keep us up.
Ac milan are spending, wolves are spending, villa are spending, inter are spending, I dont think your first point stands
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on July 23, 2017, 01:43:46 AM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on July 22, 2017, 08:50:24 PM
Because we weren't looking for an established name, we've leaned more towards up and coming mangers.

would they come to us? of course they would, so long as they were paid I don't think many care where they work.

Alan Irvine, Pepe Mel, Tony Pulis up and coming? We rarely paid compensation to take a manager off another club it was people out of work or coaches at other clubs.
if they would come then why didn't they? Look at our last few appointments (since Roy) and its hardly the good and the great of club management :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 23, 2017, 02:44:40 AM
Quote from: Xpresso on July 22, 2017, 07:09:23 PM
It's been widely reported that the Chinese government, after encouraging widespread investment in football at home and abroad, has now cracked down on money leaving their shores, which I believe is why we appear to be struggling to bring in new players.

Has it really?

That whole rumour only started from a twitter post by Doctor Tony in reply to a Seal's question..... so not the most reliable place.

Quote from: kie the baggie on July 23, 2017, 12:07:54 AM
Ac milan are spending, wolves are spending, villa are spending, inter are spending, I dont think your first point stands

EXactly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on July 23, 2017, 09:23:33 AM
Quote from: Aixelsyd on July 23, 2017, 02:44:40 AM
Has it really?

That whole rumour only started from a twitter post by Doctor Tony in reply to a Seal's question..... so not the most reliable place.

EXactly

The new Chinese exchange control restrictions don't apply if the money is already outside the country. Much of it already is because it was moved abroad when the restructions barely existed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on July 23, 2017, 03:30:59 PM
Quote
That whole rumour only started from a twitter post by Doctor Tony in reply to a Seal's question..... so not the most reliable place.

I think you'll find it's been reported in the FT, which is usually a reliable source.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on July 23, 2017, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on July 23, 2017, 01:43:46 AM
Alan Irvine, Pepe Mel, Tony Pulis up and coming? We rarely paid compensation to take a manager off another club it was people out of work or coaches at other clubs.
if they would come then why didn't they? Look at our last few appointments (since Roy) and its hardly the good and the great of club management :)

The current decision making team at the club are yet to be tasked with finding a new manager; simply put, we have no idea how they'd approach it. It's entirely possible they'd continue with the cheap options of the previous regime, it's also possible they'd be willing to loosen the purse strings for (in my opinion) the most important position in the club. There's no way of knowing until we're actually in that position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on July 25, 2017, 03:25:00 PM
If the board could find a suitable replacement for Pulis I think they'd fire him now.
He's clearly holding us back and they know this, yet can't get rid because there's no one else lined up.
He's blatantly ignoring hammonds suggestions such as charlie Taylor from Leeds and murphy from norwich and ploughing on with the likes of Wilson, who will add nothing, absolutely nothing to our already pathetically weak squad.

I predict this is the year that his smug claim to have never had a team relegated whilst he's been in charge will nearly end. I say nearly because I do think we could go down but if that's on the cards he'll walk citing not being backed in the window as an excuse. Fact is he has been backed I believe, but he'll only buy what he knows, regardless of how good they are. He's slowly destroying us and he'll just walk away and take non of the blame.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on July 25, 2017, 03:40:15 PM
Quote from: kanu on July 25, 2017, 03:25:00 PM
If the board could find a suitable replacement for Pulis I think they'd fire him now.
He's clearly holding us back and they know this, yet can't get rid because there's no one else lined up.
He's blatantly ignoring hammonds suggestions such as charlie Taylor from Leeds and murphy from norwich and ploughing on with the likes of Wilson, who will add nothing, absolutely nothing to our already pathetically weak squad.

I predict this is the year that his smug claim to have never had a team relegated whilst he's been in charge will nearly end. I say nearly because I do think we could go down but if that's on the cards he'll walk citing not being backed in the window as an excuse. Fact is he has been backed I believe, but he'll only buy what he knows, regardless of how good they are. He's slowly destroying us and he'll just walk away and take non of the blame.

Holding us back from what? Finishing in the top 6? and how do we know the second part?

We all know what happened last year. Right up to the last game we were 8th. For quite some time we were top of the 2nd tier in the Premiership. The football wasn't pretty at times, but we had our moments. We have made two interesting signings this year and I would like to think that we are going to make more. The evidence is there that we are making genuine enquiries. This season is a big season for us - it will tell us if we are genuinely going to make progress under new ownership, or whether we are going to tread water again. However, its unfair to blame Pulis for everything without any sort of evidence. No one knows what goes on during the transfer window and I for one am happy that we are not throwing the money around like others.

I know TP is like marmite, but he is not a bad bloke to have. He came in and did what he was been paid to do - and I for one was grateful. I am sure that when the time is right we will see change, but I don't anticipate it anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on July 25, 2017, 04:47:41 PM
There are many things I like about our Mr Pulis. The way new players have to be the right character as well as having the ability, the strong work ethic, teamwork/ working for each other, happy dressing room as far as possible etc. The defensive organisation, everyone understanding their role and moving as a unit is also a good part of the building process he has put in place.  Not paying the over inflated prices for other teams marginal players and striving for a mix of present as well as future value is also for me something I generally agree with. What is missing is the smooth and rapid transition phase from defence to threatening the opponents goal. This does require more skill, flair, intuition and technical ability from players, and whilst I believe some of our guys have more of this than they are allowed to show, we also need to be looking for some of these more gifted individuals and they need to be allowed to play to their attackng abilities as often as possible. It might be said that it is because we do not have these more gifted players that we have to play the way we do, and that it is not all Tony's fault, but surely the skill of the manager/head coach is creating an effective blend without compromising the good defensive habits he has already instilled in the team. This is where I feel Mr Pulis is to some extent failing us at the moment. He seems unwilling to take the shackles off and let us pressure opponents until the game is nearly lost and we need to chase for a draw. I have tried very hard to be patient over the last couple of seasons and not be overly critical of the management, but for me the team now has to show more attacking and entertaining intent  or I will be giving it up as a lost cause until we employ a coach who can get the balance better than it is. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on July 25, 2017, 05:21:37 PM
many years ago we had a very strong defensive unit of Statham, Wile, Robertson, Batson and yet they were integral in a side recognised for its skill and flair, Laurie / Cyrille / Willie / Bomber ....

The key was a midfield with a player of Robbo / Giles / Cantello quality who could win the ball, run with it &/or pick a pass, now I anticipate that people will say that Robbo / Giles were world class and we cannot get players of that ilk nowadays, but frankly thats tosh. Robbo went on to be a great but we had a few excellent years out of him as he matured. Giles was going the other way but his class oozed around the team and club.

We can find nuggets / experience still, its not always necessary to have trusted pro's in their prime years. If we do trust the scouts et al to find the gems the key is utilising their abilities not shoe-horning them into a rigid system and negating their talents.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 25, 2017, 06:10:10 PM
Quote from: Albionic on July 25, 2017, 05:21:37 PM
many years ago we had a very strong defensive unit of Statham, Wile, Robertson, Batson and yet they were integral in a side recognised for its skill and flair, Laurie / Cyrille / Willie / Bomber ....

The key was a midfield with a player of Robbo / Giles / Cantello quality who could win the ball, run with it &/or pick a pass, now I anticipate that people will say that Robbo / Giles were world class and we cannot get players of that ilk nowadays, but frankly thats tosh. Robbo went on to be a great but we had a few excellent years out of him as he matured. Giles was going the other way but his class oozed around the team and club.

We can find nuggets / experience still, its not always necessary to have trusted pro's in their prime years. If we do trust the scouts et al to find the gems the key is utilising their abilities not shoe-horning them into a rigid system and negating their talents.

You touch upon why I so desperately want a change within Albion .many will not look kindly back on our Prem years with the boring stuff served up now.

By Dad had Laurie, Cyril, Batson etc to look fondly back on; this crop of players and management brings no excitement
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 25, 2017, 06:24:03 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 25, 2017, 06:10:10 PM
You touch upon why I so desperately want a change within Albion .many will not look kindly back on our Prem years with the boring stuff served up now.

By Dad had Laurie, Cyril, Batson etc to look fondly back on; this crop of players and management brings no excitement
Your Dad as I and back further. Was watching in a very different era.We were a "Top 6" club then. Those players today performing likewise would be very expensive and would not be playing for us.
In fact they all moved on when we started to slide.
As I say different era. Pulis has in my view archived in the current era of Premiership football with a club like ours. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 25, 2017, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on July 25, 2017, 06:24:03 PM
Your Dad as I and back further. Was watching in a very different era.We were a "Top 6" club then. Those players today performing likewise would be very expensive and would not be playing for us.
In fact they all moved on when we started to slide.
As I say different era. Pulis has in my view archived in the current era of Premiership football with a club like ours.
lack of investment throughout are time in the prem has not only affected style of play but also our own  fans mentality to be continued
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on July 25, 2017, 08:17:04 PM
I don't think it comes down to lack of trying or actual cost. There is a very tight balance between a good and bad signing. Yes we are 'linked' with certain players and various of us will hang our heads whilst others jump for joy. When they don't get signed the usual rants or sighs of relief come forward.
Football is a very frustrating game and none more so than for the supporter. Lets be honest how many of us would put our money in our pockets for some of the players currently touted around?
In real terms I believe and hope that those in charge know more than us and in the end everything will be ok.
Meanwhile I will keep playing fantasy football in my imagination !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 26, 2017, 08:47:19 AM
whats this boardroom meeting tomorrow i am hearing, most likely bull mind
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on July 26, 2017, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 26, 2017, 08:47:19 AM
whats this boardroom meeting tomorrow i am hearing, most likely bull mind
Kicking off on Face Book about it, someone as put two and two together and got five.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 26, 2017, 09:44:30 AM
"Sorry Tony, we have attempted to go for the players you have requested but the clubs are asking for far too much as the British market is ridiculous; are you sure you wouldn't mind this extremely talented  foreign player for a quarter of the fee?"

"Not on your Nelly, son".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 26, 2017, 09:46:42 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on July 26, 2017, 09:28:01 AM
Kicking off on Face Book about it, someone as put two and two together and got five.


thats how i see it kev
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on July 26, 2017, 09:54:16 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on July 26, 2017, 09:44:30 AM
"Sorry Tony, we have attempted to go for the players you have requested but the clubs are asking for far too much as the British market is ridiculous; are you sure you wouldn't mind this extremely talented  foreign player for a quarter of the fee?"

"Not on your Nelly, son".

It's not long ago that you signed Pocognoli for a quarter of the fee of Aaron Cresswell. How did that one work out again?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on July 26, 2017, 12:31:36 PM
Quote from: stokelad84 on July 26, 2017, 09:54:16 AM
It's not long ago that you signed Pocognoli for a quarter of the fee of Aaron Cresswell. How did that one work out again?

And you signed Ricardo Fuller and not Jermaine Defoe....  What is your point?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 26, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: Albionic on July 26, 2017, 12:31:36 PM
And you signed Ricardo Fuller and not Jermaine Defoe....  What is your point?

His point is a very good one and very true. If we had of spent the money on Cresswell rather than going with the budget option, we would have signed a very good LB who is worth double to triple more now than what would have paid for him. Instead, we signed somebody for a fraction of the cost who hardly played and costs us lots in wages for the duration of his contract.  I can't really see how you could be missing his point. Fuller and Defoe aren't really relevant, Stokelad is talking about our transfers as that is what is being discussed, not Stoke's.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on July 26, 2017, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on July 26, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
His point is a very good one and very true. If we had of spent the money on Cresswell rather than going with the budget option, we would have signed a very good LB who is worth double to triple more now than what would have paid for him. Instead, we signed somebody for a fraction of the cost who hardly played and costs us lots in wages for the duration of his contract.  I can't really see how you could be missing his point. Fuller and Defoe aren't really relevant, Stokelad is talking about our transfers as that is what is being discussed, not Stoke's.

I got it, but, personally I do not appreciate a Sjokie belittling how our club do business, so attempted to put him back in his box (& failed clearly).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on July 26, 2017, 02:40:36 PM
Quote from: kanu on July 25, 2017, 03:25:00 PM
If the board could find a suitable replacement for Pulis I think they'd fire him now.
He's clearly holding us back and they know this, yet can't get rid because there's no one else lined up.
He's blatantly ignoring hammonds suggestions such as charlie Taylor from Leeds and murphy from norwich and ploughing on with the likes of Wilson, who will add nothing, absolutely nothing to our already pathetically weak squad.

I predict this is the year that his smug claim to have never had a team relegated whilst he's been in charge will nearly end. I say nearly because I do think we could go down but if that's on the cards he'll walk citing not being backed in the window as an excuse. Fact is he has been backed I believe, but he'll only buy what he knows, regardless of how good they are. He's slowly destroying us and he'll just walk away and take non of the blame.
In your opinion. By the way never having managed a team to be relegated is not a "smug claim", but something to be proud of. I just hope that the powers that be, do not think he can keep his record without adding quality to the squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on July 26, 2017, 10:46:59 PM
I think while he continues to keep us up he keeps his job. It may not satisfy the supporters but it satisfies the previous and the new owner
But for me take Bournemouth as a model. Decent football and stayed up. So it can be done without breaking the bank
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on July 26, 2017, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: graka on July 26, 2017, 10:46:59 PM
I think while he continues to keep us up he keeps his job. It may not satisfy the supporters but it satisfies the previous and the new owner
But for me take Bournemouth as a model. Decent football and stayed up. So it can be done without breaking the bank

...and without pulis for the people that think he is the only man on the planet that can stop little old albion getting relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on July 27, 2017, 07:09:24 AM
We shouldn't take any comfort from the never relegated thing. It is an achievement in that Pulis has always managed clubs that might get relegated however the margin is nearly always pretty narrow around 6 points ahead of the 40 point target which is usually about 8 clear of the drop. Eventually he will get relegated and so will we with or without Pulis. Things will go sideways and the next thing you know we will slide into the Championship.

I am not predicting it will happen next season it may not happen for a decade but it will happen. We simply don't have the resources to insulate us against the possibility. Everton are probably the smallest club relegation should never happen to. You might argue Newcastle West Ham and maybe Southampton but that would be defying the evidence of recent history.

My argument against Pulis, has always been not that another coach would get better results because in all probability they wouldn't. It is about what type of club we want to be.  Are we going to develop players be progressive and positive both on and off pitch maybe play some decent football and really go for cup glory ? Or are we content to grind out an existence in the premier league playing deadly boring football until we slip below the line with nothing much to remember for being here? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 27, 2017, 07:12:34 AM
Quote from: graka on July 26, 2017, 10:46:59 PM
I think while he continues to keep us up he keeps his job. It may not satisfy the supporters but it satisfies the previous and the new owner
But for me take Bournemouth as a model. Decent football and stayed up. So it can be done without breaking the bank


On 11 k gates too, I will come back when the football improves or when he's gone, he winds me up keep bigging the opposition , can't stand his press stuff
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on July 27, 2017, 07:55:23 AM
But Bournemouth have broken the bank. It's a myth somewhat created by the media that they're up here on a relatively small budget and are doing comfortable. They have easily out spent us year after year and in terms of finishing positions have little to show for it - they are bankrolled by a Russian billionaire who is more than happy to spend big and I am quite sure they are losing money as a business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on July 27, 2017, 08:10:41 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on July 27, 2017, 07:55:23 AM
But Bournemouth have broken the bank. It's a myth somewhat created by the media that they're up here on a relatively small budget and are doing comfortable. They have easily out spent us year after year and in terms of finishing positions have little to show for it - they are bankrolled by a Russian billionaire who is more than happy to spend big and I am quite sure they are losing money as a business.
Losing money as a business but growing as a football club, they've gone about it quite well imo, maybe when they feel they've gone as far as they can the spending slows down and  the business starts making money. haven't we done a similar thing over the last 10 years? we've grown into a stable premier league team albeit without huge sums being spent which is the best of both worlds. from an owners perspective its perfect
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 27, 2017, 11:30:28 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on July 27, 2017, 07:55:23 AM
But Bournemouth have broken the bank. It's a myth somewhat created by the media that they're up here on a relatively small budget and are doing comfortable. They have easily out spent us year after year and in terms of finishing positions have little to show for it - they are bankrolled by a Russian billionaire who is more than happy to spend big and I am quite sure they are losing money as a business.

No they havent.

The Russian puts very little into the club.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on July 27, 2017, 11:48:58 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 27, 2017, 11:30:28 AM
No they havent.

The Russian puts very little into the club.

Quite true apparently.

He bought into the club for around £10m, and has put a further £25m in by the way of two loans against his company. I note in the media that the funding is questioned; what I do know is that at some point a loan has to be paid back but I imagine the funding at present is coming mainly from the Premiership money and not the Russian.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on July 27, 2017, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: graka on July 26, 2017, 10:46:59 PM
I think while he continues to keep us up he keeps his job. It may not satisfy the supporters but it satisfies the previous and the new owner
But for me take Bournemouth as a model. Decent football and stayed up. So it can be done without breaking the bank
the two seasons they have been in prem they have spent more money than us? Need to invest in first team especially in summer window to compete for
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on July 27, 2017, 12:54:36 PM
£65m over 2 seasons they've spent according to TransferMarkt.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 27, 2017, 12:55:13 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 26, 2017, 08:47:19 AM
whats this boardroom meeting tomorrow i am hearing, most likely bull mind

might have been about the West Bromwich Building Society having it's AGM at the ground.

http://www.westbrom.co.uk/media/WBBS/Files/PDFs/AGM/2017/Connect_2017_AGM_Newsletter.ashx
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on July 27, 2017, 05:24:32 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 27, 2017, 11:30:28 AM
No they havent.

The Russian puts very little into the club.

Yes they have spent lots of money.

If we want to be specific, then it's not the Russian then it's the older bloke...same difference.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 27, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on July 27, 2017, 05:24:32 PM
Yes they have spent lots of money.

If we want to be specific, then it's not the Russian then it's the older bloke...same difference.

Again, they haven't.

The club are simply prepared to spend what they earn rather than looking for millions of profits each year.

The losses the club posted were mainly down to ground improvements ready for the Premier League.

That club are going places, as will Brighton I reckon.

Sad times when Bournemouth are a more appealing club than Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on July 27, 2017, 07:58:51 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 27, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
Again, they haven't.

The club are simply prepared to spend what they earn rather than looking for millions of profits each year.

The losses the club posted were mainly down to ground improvements ready for the Premier League.

That club are going places, as will Brighton I reckon.

Sad times when Bournemouth are a more appealing club than Albion.

The club aren't going places though, neither are Brighton. They will never crack Man Utd, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Everton and Chelsea - meaning the best they can get is 8th...which is where we would have finished if we didn't let in a late goal on the final day. If they finished on the same amount of points as us, does that mean we're either equally as awful or equally as good/ambitious? You can't really have one or the other when both clubs have finished in the same spots roughly 2 years running - which is as long as they've been in our division. As clubs, our finishes are near identical, yet we profit and are more of a stable business as a result.

I remember under Monk, supposedly our club should have copied the Swansea model, which was originally taken from us. Then they nearly got relegated and suddenly it was Southampton who were the new favourite and next it will be someone like West Ham.

My point is that Bournemouth aren't in an enviable position - they are finishing the same as us and aren't revolutionising football. They're certainly not a terribly ran club but I don't get the obsession with trying to mimic other clubs - we've been doing pretty well for ourselves since our promotion under Di Matteo.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on July 27, 2017, 08:22:40 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on July 27, 2017, 07:58:51 PM
The club aren't going places though, neither are Brighton. They will never crack Man Utd, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Everton and Chelsea - meaning the best they can get is 8th...which is where we would have finished if we didn't let in a late goal on the final day. If they finished on the same amount of points as us, does that mean we're either equally as awful or equally as good/ambitious? You can't really have one or the other when both clubs have finished in the same spots roughly 2 years running - which is as long as they've been in our division. As clubs, our finishes are near identical, yet we profit and are more of a stable business as a result.

I remember under Monk, supposedly our club should have copied the Swansea model, which was originally taken from us. Then they nearly got relegated and suddenly it was Southampton who were the new favourite and next it will be someone like West Ham.

My point is that Bournemouth aren't in an enviable position - they are finishing the same as us and aren't revolutionising football. They're certainly not a terribly ran club but I don't get the obsession with trying to mimic other clubs - we've been doing pretty well for ourselves since our promotion under Di Matteo.
Most newly promoted clubs splash the cash the first few seasons
It seems now they look to only be buying the odd player to improve the starting 11 for a decent fee. Seems a good role model for me. And also younger players who you haven't got to replace all over again 2\3 years later
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 27, 2017, 08:28:45 PM
Regardless of where we were for 60% of the season, we finished below Bournemouth.

It's ok saying we could or should have finished higher, we didn't.

I don't want to necessarily replicate Bournemouth, I'm just saying they seem to be making better signings, spending more money, having more ambition and easily playing more attractive football than us.

Albion under Pulis are one thing; boring. The national press and neutral fans all despise us and the way we go about things yet even I get more excitement from seeing some other teams and the way they play more than I do my own team.

I don't want Barca style football, or City style spending, or West Ham style stadiums, I just would like a little excitement in our club.

People argue we are small; Bournemouth get 11k fans.
People argue we have no real funds; we get the same as everybody else in this league in most aspects and we are often the lowest spenders.
People argue we have to think about staying up rather than playing attractive football; Bournemouth/Southampton/Palace have excitement throughout their squads and they seem to be here again this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on July 27, 2017, 10:02:45 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 27, 2017, 08:28:45 PM
Regardless of where we were for 60% of the season, we finished below Bournemouth.

It's ok saying we could or should have finished higher, we didn't.

I don't want to necessarily replicate Bournemouth, I'm just saying they seem to be making better signings, spending more money, having more ambition and easily playing more attractive football than us.

Albion under Pulis are one thing; boring. The national press and neutral fans all despise us and the way we go about things yet even I get more excitement from seeing some other teams and the way they play more than I do my own team.

I don't want Barca style football, or City style spending, or West Ham style stadiums, I just would like a little excitement in our club.

People argue we are small; Bournemouth get 11k fans.
People argue we have no real funds; we get the same as everybody else in this league in most aspects and we are often the lowest spenders.
People argue we have to think about staying up rather than playing attractive football; Bournemouth/Southampton/Palace have excitement throughout their squads and they seem to be here again this season.

This season Bournemouth finished 1 point above us. Last season we finished 1 point above them...there's nothing in it.
There signings were also quite poor last season: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/afc-bournemouth/transfers/verein/989/saison_id/2016 (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/afc-bournemouth/transfers/verein/989/saison_id/2016)

And arguably worse than our signings. No one says we have to play ugly to survive either, just like no one says we have to replicate Barca, both are massive exaggerations. Bournemouth play nicer football but also let in lots of sloppy goals and have a team full of divers, there's lots of positives and negatives for both teams - but I really don't think there's anything in it and I certainly don't see them 'going places' any time soon, i.e. cracking the top 7.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on July 28, 2017, 12:30:27 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 27, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
Again, they haven't.

The club are simply prepared to spend what they earn rather than looking for millions of profits each year.

The losses the club posted were mainly down to ground improvements ready for the Premier League.

That club are going places, as will Brighton I reckon.

Sad times when Bournemouth are a more appealing club than Albion.

Not really

South Coast, Beach front, Sandbanks much more appealing than being landlocked
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 28, 2017, 12:38:39 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on July 28, 2017, 12:30:27 PM
Not really

South Coast, Beach front, Sandbanks much more appealing than being landlocked

its a good 5degrees warmer in t winter
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 28, 2017, 12:43:42 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on July 27, 2017, 07:58:51 PM
The club aren't going places though, neither are Brighton. They will never crack Man Utd, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Everton and Chelsea - meaning the best they can get is 8th...which is where we would have finished if we didn't let in a late goal on the final day.

Going places could mean winning a cup, qualifying for Europe though, something most of us would love to see. Success is not just measured in league placing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 28, 2017, 12:44:55 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on July 28, 2017, 12:30:27 PM
Not really

South Coast, Beach front, Sandbanks much more appealing than being landlocked

Good club, good young manager, playing attractive football, and willing to pay the going rate. It's not all location, location, location.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 28, 2017, 12:47:05 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on July 28, 2017, 12:44:55 PM
Good club, good young manager, playing attractive football, and willing to pay the going rate. It's not all location, location, location.


have you seen them fantasy homes by the sea down there, just ask mr pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on July 29, 2017, 10:10:04 PM
Pulis doesn't do relegation  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on July 29, 2017, 10:37:58 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on July 28, 2017, 12:43:42 PM
Going places could mean winning a cup, qualifying for Europe though, something most of us would love to see. Success is not just measured in league placing.

Qualifying for Europe is heavily correlated with league placings - the two usually go hand in hand and as I've said - we roughly finish around the same spots as Bournemouth.

With regards to cup competitions, I'm sure we've came closer in recent years than both Bournemouth and Brighton who were the examples; we got to the last 8 with Pulis and previously to a semi final 10 years ago. I don't think either Bournemouth or Brighton have a better chance of winning a cup than we do - we haven't won a cup in years but most clubs haven't - off the top of my head there's been Wigan, Blues and Swansea who all won it but usually it's a top 6 club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 30, 2017, 06:50:52 AM
My 18th consecutive season with a ST and less than 2 weeks away from opening day and I feel no excitement whatsoever.

Mostly down to Pulis, helped with lack of ambition from the club and the novelty of the Premier League wearing thin. Add into that the ridiculous amounts of money being spent world wide, seeing Ronald McDonald lead teams out and half empty Asian stadiums with fans wearing Man United shirts celebrating a Liverpool's cup win and I'm falling out of love with football.

Please Tony get some exciting new blood ASAP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on July 30, 2017, 08:52:57 AM
I'm not looking forward another season of Pulisball. Frankly I don't much care who we sign it isn't going to change the way we play. The club is simply not wealthy enough to drop £100m.  on four or five high profile signings  never has been never will be but under Pulis we aren't going to blood youngsters nor are we going to make smart moves in markets where relative value can be found. Yes I know about Hegazi but then again our Head Coach seems genuinely amazed that he is a pretty decent footballer (well who would have thought that there is nearly no evidence that overseas players can play)

We are just going to stick to tried tested and tired old strategy and worse still whinge and whine about it at every opportunity to ensure the whole world appreciates just what a remarkable job he's doing here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on July 30, 2017, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Legend on July 29, 2017, 10:10:04 PM
Pulis doesn't do relegation  8)

I don't do getting run over by a bus... but it don't mean it's not possible to happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on July 30, 2017, 02:19:21 PM
I think Pulis might 'do relegation' this season.
Our flair players ....Phillips, hamstring has reoccurred already, Morrison, not ready to start games, missed a preseason, Chadli...presumably will go before 31st August. Leko...looking handy in the friendlies but Pulis won't play 'the lad'.
So that means no counter attacking football like we witnessed (and loved) like we played November to March. In turn that means relegation as without that spell we'd have gone down.
Yes there are 32 days of the window left and Yes we could add 5 very food players for a combined 40m BUT does anyway think this will actually happen because if it doesn't we will really struggle.
This is not negativity for the sake of it, its the cold hard facts as we stand. I'm not a Pulis hater, like I've said i loved that 5 month spell last season, it made my ST worth its value but I hated the opening 10 or so games and I hated 11 out of the last 12.
I really hope TP, Williams and Goodman realise whats round the corner if we don't spend big in the next 4 weeks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lindenbaggie on July 30, 2017, 03:05:14 PM
Quote from: kanu on July 30, 2017, 02:19:21 PM
I think Pulis might 'do relegation' this season.
Our flair players ....Phillips, hamstring has reoccurred already, Morrison, not ready to start games, missed a preseason, Chadli...presumably will go before 31st August. Leko...looking handy in the friendlies but Pulis won't play 'the lad'.
So that means no counter attacking football like we witnessed (and loved) like we played November to March. In turn that means relegation as without that spell we'd have gone down.
Yes there are 32 days of the window left and Yes we could add 5 very food players for a combined 40m BUT does anyway think this will actually happen because if it doesn't we will really struggle.
This is not negativity for the sake of it, its the cold hard facts as we stand. I'm not a Pulis hater, like I've said i loved that 5 month spell last season, it made my ST worth its value but I hated the opening 10 or so games and I hated 11 out of the last 12.
I really hope TP, Williams and Goodman realise whats round the corner if we don't spend big in the next 4 weeks.

I think that TP, Williams, Goodman and Hammond are well aware of what's around the corner, but are also mindful of FFP rules, whilst complying with Lai's criteria on transfers. As supporters, yes we do become frustrated, but it seems to be the same up and down the country, whilst we all wait to see who the top six are prepared to sell. The top six, aided by Sky now seem to dominate every aspect of the Premiership, especially transfers, and it's hurting clubs like ours as well. In this respect, doesn't really matter who the manager is at most clubs these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on July 30, 2017, 03:23:19 PM
I see he is up to his old mind games with the board/chairman again
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-injury-update-tony-13404875
Not my fault guv!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 30, 2017, 04:02:03 PM
I have a bad feeling about this season. We look and feel like Charlton, Bolton, and many others have just before going down.

There is an air of complacency around the club that we'll be OK, even though the fans have doubts. We've been in the Premier for eight seasons in a row now, but we aren't really investing in better players (something that Bolton did for a while but tailed off due to the cost). There is a feeling that the manager, love him or hate him, might see what's coming and bugger off - and possibly leave it to Megson, and then probably someone else, to actually relegate us.

A thin squad, a few injuries, a manager who will look after himself first and foremost, disinterested fan base, and few positive noises coming from the boardroom. The warning signs are there.

Where we have it over the aforementioned club is that we are relatively free of debt, and with the parachute payments should be able to get back within a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 30, 2017, 08:10:23 PM
Will definitely get the flags out when he's gone, his excuses wore thin with me before last Jan
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 30, 2017, 08:27:45 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 30, 2017, 06:50:52 AM
My 18th consecutive season with a ST and less than 2 weeks away from opening day and I feel no excitement whatsoever.



My 15th, & I feel exactly the same.

Just can't see the empty seats being filled from what we've seen so far this closed season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on July 30, 2017, 08:32:55 PM
My 23rd and not looking forward to it. Even used to get excited about season starting point lower division when we were rubbish. Pulis has sucked the life out of the players club and fans. Please get rid
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on July 30, 2017, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: Legend on July 29, 2017, 10:10:04 PM
Pulis doesn't do relegation  8)
.                                                                                                                   1st time for everything although he'd probably resign before it was confirmed just to keep it from his CV!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on July 30, 2017, 10:21:39 PM
Please Mr Lai or Mr Williams give us our club back from this dinosaur. If not then please Tony do the decent thing and resign and give us our club back

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on July 31, 2017, 12:44:52 AM
My twentieth or twenty first as a season ticket holder.

Ish, not really counting though as it's not a badge of honour.

Been going to the Albion for much longer but can't be @rsed to tick it off game by game.

No need to sit on a designated coach to know where my loyalties lie either

Doesn't matter to me who the boss is.

Not a happy clapper, I just love the Albion.

Come on the Prem', if you can't tek it then **** off.

Yes Liam (you 'contentiously' non pretty thing) we can play some some UB40  ;) .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOcEkb2KkXY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOcEkb2KkXY)

They've made me cry (when MUCH younger) but COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on July 31, 2017, 07:37:19 AM
If you don't like it don't buy it :o
off to buy some marmite........hate the stuff :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 31, 2017, 05:04:01 PM
I used to be home away and could not miss, since TP I think I've benn 5 times, it breaks my heart
BUT
I also understand it's different now, gone are the days when "you lose the crowd and your gone"....quite simply most chairman could not care less about the crow,that revenue stream is a mere small percentage.... now when your "investment" (star striker on 135k per week) cries to the chairman,the managers in trouble...
Which is another reason TP builds a team/squad of people he can "manage" tightly..

We won't go down, we will exit the "distractions"(cups) at the earliest opportunity,we will get to 43 points and gravity will continue to work..
I'd guess we will make 3 more signings
1 a utility player quite cheap
1 a striker to bring through
1 a midfielder that can run (a lot)

I don't blame TP, if you build a career a certain way then why would you change?, alternative which ones of us have got a house on sandbanks and can battle in court for 2m bonuses ?
He does what suits him, the chairman does what suits him, and we with our contribution between £45 and £2045 per season are of absolutely no significance whatsoever
I enjoy 5 a side on a Sunday more now 😄
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 31, 2017, 07:08:50 PM
From a rough calculation, I'd say ticket revenue is around £10 million per season. That's equivalent to about £200,000 per week in wages,
I think I might be interested.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on July 31, 2017, 07:27:55 PM
Yeah, but the difference between losing a chunk of the fan base and that going down to £8 million is negligible in the scheme of things, when we obviously don't care enough to perform in the last quarter of the season to get a few more points to secure a higher league position (and get a bit more money for that). Fans like to delude themselves nowadays that they have any REAL importance to clubs as they don't like to face the fact that their long-term passion is now futile.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on July 31, 2017, 07:54:08 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on July 31, 2017, 07:08:50 PM
From a rough calculation, I'd say ticket revenue is around £10 million per season. That's equivalent to about £200,000 per week in wages,
I think I might be interested.

Just done a very quick and basic sum of the prices.

If we had last seasons average attendance, based on 6 Cat A games, 7 Cat B games and 6 Cat C games we would make around £13.3million - this is based on EVERY body paying an adult price so doesnt take into account kids or seniors.

This is based on Cat A games getting 25,000 fans, B getting 23,000, C games getting 21,500.

If we lowered the price to £25 every game, based on last seasons average attendance we would make around £11.3million.

If attendances went up to say 25,000 average, we would make £11.9million.

Again everything is based on paying adult prices.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on July 31, 2017, 07:54:08 PM
Just done a very quick and basic sum of the prices.

If we had last seasons average attendance, based on 6 Cat A games, 7 Cat B games and 6 Cat C games we would make around £13.3million - this is based on EVERY body paying an adult price so doesnt take into account kids or seniors.

This is based on Cat A games getting 25,000 fans, B getting 23,000, C games getting 21,500.

If we lowered the price to £25 every game, based on last seasons average attendance we would make around £11.3million.

If attendances went up to say 25,000 average, we would make £11.9million.

Again everything is based on paying adult prices.


You have failed to take season tickets and concessions into account John's numbers gave an average matchday price of just over £20 based on gates of 26k. I think if anything his estimate was on the high side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on July 31, 2017, 08:55:14 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2017, 08:02:28 PM

You have failed to take season tickets and concessions into account John's numbers gave an average matchday price of just over £20 based on gates of 26k. I think if anything his estimate was on the high side.

The point I'm trying to make is:

If we're having to consider if £1 million spent on Marc Wilson is money well spent, then attendance figures & the subsequent revenue is significant.
Every £1 million gained or lost is equivalent to £20,000 wages per week for a player
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on August 01, 2017, 07:32:49 AM
If we bought some quality players and played exciting counter attacking football, like we did from November to march last season, then the ground would be full. It's not rocket science.
Fact is we're chasing Marc wilson as if he's some kind of marquee signing. Add to that Thomas Vermaelen who's hardly played any football for 4 years due to injuries and loss of form.
Our squad is weaker than last year and on top of that we're picking up a lot of injuries in pre season.
We get the ocasional tease that we're prepared to pay 25m for Cavaliho, and 22m for Silva but as we all know TP doesn't want these deals as they are exciting players with tricks in their locker. They don't fit his 'aaard workin british lads' but they would fill the ground and get us all on the edge of our seats.
TP is a double whammy, he instils boring football and he blocks any flair signings. If one slips through the net then he falls out with them.
Its no wander we don't fill the ground and that we can't even take our full away allocation to short trips like Stoke.
...And it's no wonder most of us aren't in the slightest bit excited about the coming season. For christs sake it starts in 11 days and we're losing to Bristol Rovers with our full strength team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 01, 2017, 08:47:35 AM
Don't like pulisball but the blame alone can't be laid at his door. The transfer market has been a bone of contention for years at this club, lack of investment in first team has got us to a stage of an ageing squad which is thin on the ground.  Will only take a few injuries to key players to put us up pooh creak.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on August 01, 2017, 12:59:28 PM
Last year we had the best record in the league for player availability which it seems had led to complacency. The board and medical department have been congratulating themselves but luck must surely be a very important factor. One unlucky season with a few serious injuries to key players would cripple our very small squad and we cannot expect the likes of Mcauley to last forever.

The team is stale, the manager is professional but dull and the board have no ambition to incentivise fans to grow the fan base. We have no decedent strikers, aren't scoring any goals from open play and just lost to Bristol Rovers (albeit friendly). Throw in the awful finish to last season and it's very difficult to be positive in the slightest :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 01, 2017, 02:37:10 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on August 01, 2017, 12:59:28 PM
Last year we had the best record in the league for player availability which it seems had led to complacency. The board and medical department have been congratulating themselves but luck must surely be a very important factor. One unlucky season with a few serious injuries to key players would cripple our very small squad and we cannot expect the likes of Mcauley to last forever.

The team is stale, the manager is professional but dull and the board have no ambition to incentivise fans to grow the fan base. We have no decedent strikers, aren't scoring any goals from open play and just lost to Bristol Rovers (albeit friendly). Throw in the awful finish to last season and it's very difficult to be positive in the slightest :o

Still debating to go and watch Conference North football a bit more this year, thats how bad it seems at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 01, 2017, 05:08:50 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on August 01, 2017, 02:37:10 PM
Still debating to go and watch Conference North football a bit more this year, thats how bad it seems at the moment.i
start a new hobby to get me into the season watching paint dry :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wappingbaggie on August 01, 2017, 08:59:54 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on July 30, 2017, 04:02:03 PM
I have a bad feeling about this season. We look and feel like Charlton, Bolton, and many others have just before going down.

There is an air of complacency around the club that we'll be OK, even though the fans have doubts. We've been in the Premier for eight seasons in a row now, but we aren't really investing in better players (something that Bolton did for a while but tailed off due to the cost). There is a feeling that the manager, love him or hate him, might see what's coming and bugger off - and possibly leave it to Megson, and then probably someone else, to actually relegate us.

A thin squad, a few injuries, a manager who will look after himself first and foremost, disinterested fan base, and few positive noises coming from the boardroom. The warning signs are there.

Where we have it over the aforementioned club is that we are relatively free of debt, and with the parachute payments should be able to get back within a couple of seasons.

Thats exactly how I feel at the start of the season - think we will carry our end of season form into this year and will be bottom of the table after 5 and will finish 18th above brighton and huddersfield
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 01, 2017, 09:38:49 PM
Never ending joy and optimism on here  :P  :P .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on August 01, 2017, 09:40:05 PM
Oh dear what a shambles we are. Couldn't fill the bench tonight v Vale. Had to cancel the friendly tonight v Kiddy as we haven't enough players. Less than two weeks to go. What's the point of the Austria trip when the same old squad players do it as we never seem to get a complete squad to do all the training necessary for a tough premier season. Down to 12 fit first teamers. A tad  worried now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 01, 2017, 09:47:11 PM
Quote from: Tony Goddens Gloves on August 01, 2017, 09:40:05 PM
Oh dear what a shambles we are. Couldn't fill the bench tonight v Vale. Had to cancel the friendly tonight v Kiddy as we haven't enough players. Less than two weeks to go. What's the point of the Austria trip when the same old squad players do it as we never seem to get a complete squad to do all the training necessary for a tough premier season. Down to 12 fit first teamers. A tad  worried now.
I thought it was kiddy who called it off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 01, 2017, 09:50:02 PM
It was.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 01, 2017, 09:51:19 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 01, 2017, 09:47:11 PM
I thought it was kiddy who called it off.
Yes you are correct it was Kiddy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 01, 2017, 09:52:32 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on August 01, 2017, 09:50:02 PM
It was.

It wasn't.

100% Albion who cancelled, hence the offer of playing them during international break.

I know for a fact Albion cancelled, not Harriers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 01, 2017, 09:54:46 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on August 01, 2017, 09:52:32 PM
It wasn't.

100% Albion who cancelled, hence the offer of playing them during international break.

I know for a fact Albion cancelled, not Harriers.

ALBION’s pre-season friendly at Kidderminster Harriers scheduled for Tuesday, August 1 has been postponed.
The two clubs will attempt to rearrange the game during an international break in the new season.
The postponement came at the request of Harriers and was mutually agreed.
The Baggies' fixture against Port Vale at Vale Park on the same evening (ko 7.30pm) will go ahead as planned.
Albion apologise for any inconvenience caused to supporters.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 01, 2017, 09:57:26 PM
Harriers requested to postpone it when Albion told them they are unable to honour the agreement of sending a strong first team XI.

Albion technically didn't postpone, but Harriers did not want to entertain the U23's so asked to delay the game by a few weeks.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2017, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 01, 2017, 09:47:11 PM
I thought it was kiddy who called it off.


Shhhh don't spoil the narrative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 01, 2017, 10:00:07 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on August 01, 2017, 09:57:26 PM
Harriers requested to postpone it when Albion told them they are unable to honour the agreement of sending a strong first team XI.

Albion technically didn't postpone, but Harriers did not want to entertain the U23's so asked to delay the game by a few weeks.

Surely we were never going to play them with a strong team while playing Port Vale on the same night?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 01, 2017, 10:02:24 PM
As we did with Burton & Walsall, we were going to split the squad up somewhat.

Judging by the the squad we sent to Vale, even the biggest Albion fans would have struggled to know some of the lads who may have played at Kiddy tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on August 01, 2017, 10:31:26 PM
Just listened to TP on sky sports regarding transfers and he said nothing to inspire confidence. When asked if he saws signs of people coming in he said after an uncomfortable pause "we're trying and we're trying to get players in, try to get these deals over the line if we can". When asked about links with vermalen and Ben Gibson he said "we've been linked with loads and until we sign anyone I'll keep that close to my chest" when asked when he expected something to move his reply was " how longs a piece of string, I was hoping we'd get a few over the line by now and it hasn't happened, you have to be patient" . Either he was playing poker but from body language didn't get anything to get excited about. I'm a little concerned at this moment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 01, 2017, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: Adamstv on August 01, 2017, 10:31:26 PM
Just listened to TP on sky sports regarding transfers and he said nothing to inspire confidence. When asked if he saws signs of people coming in he said after an uncomfortable pause "we're trying and we're trying to get players in, try to get these deals over the line if we can". When asked about links with vermalen and Ben Gibson he said "we've been linked with loads and until we sign anyone I'll keep that close to my chest" when asked when he expected something to move his reply was " how longs a piece of string, I was hoping we'd get a few over the line by now and it hasn't happened, you have to be patient" . Either he was playing poker but from body language didn't get anything to get excited about. I'm a little concerned at this moment
he does sound a bit frustrated about the situation and rightly so, what we don't want is just ending up making desperate signing just for the sake of making the numbers up. they have to be players good enough to get into the first 11
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies on August 01, 2017, 11:17:34 PM
Not a surprise. We are clearly way behind where we meed to be. With a week and a half until the season opener, we are genuinely having to fielf a number of youth players due to having such a thin squad. The youth players being involed isn't a game play by Pulis, we have no choice.

Once again, just like every year post Ashworth, our decision making in the transfer window is slow, ponderous and indecisive.

The longer we leave it, the bigger the risk of poor Anichebe style panic signings. We will never learn. How long will we continue to get lucky?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 02, 2017, 12:56:08 AM
Hammond needs to go as it looks like he's going to f up another transfer window. Pulis has put the blame squarely on club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on August 02, 2017, 06:41:24 AM
Quote from: paulosull on August 02, 2017, 12:56:08 AM
Hammond needs to go as it looks like he's going to f up another transfer window. Pulis has put the blame squarely on club.
I agree. If the club is to blame for the lack of transfers rather than Pulis then the people responsible must go this time if they have not put it right by August 31st. I think Pulis would walk if he did not have the Palace compensation money hanging over his head.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 02, 2017, 06:41:41 AM
Quote from: paulosull on August 02, 2017, 12:56:08 AM
Hammond needs to go as it looks like he's going to f up another transfer window. Pulis has put the blame squarely on club.

...and rightly so, Pulis has kept his part of the bargain but has been let down by the board (old and new) in every window so far. He's performed miracles with the squad we have had since arriving.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 02, 2017, 07:01:10 AM
We might have had bids on 30 players accepted and TP, with his final say may have turned them all down. TP may have identified individuals and us not had a single successful bid agreed. As supporters (And with a club who keeps its business very close to its chest) we don't really have a clue who is responsible so trying to apportion blame I think is futile.
I'd expect more business to be completed by the end of the transfer window and it to be something we have no idea about. It is how we do our dealings. Whether they will be inspirational is up for debate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on August 02, 2017, 07:24:10 AM
We will try and do enough to stay up because that's what we do.

Are we a football club or a cash cow I'm not so sure these days .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 02, 2017, 07:39:27 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 02, 2017, 07:01:10 AM
We might have had bids on 30 players accepted and TP, with his final say may have turned them all down. TP may have identified individuals and us not had a single successful bid agreed. As supporters (And with a club who keeps its business very close to its chest) we don't really have a clue who is responsible so trying to apportion blame I think is futile.
I'd expect more business to be completed by the end of the transfer window and it to be something we have no idea about. It is how we do our dealings. Whether they will be inspirational is up for debate.

Agree totally with this.

Almost certainly there is money available to sign players.

Who knows what's causing any hold ups?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 02, 2017, 07:50:43 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 02, 2017, 07:01:10 AM
We might have had bids on 30 players accepted and TP, with his final say may have turned them all down. TP may have identified individuals and us not had a single successful bid agreed. As supporters (And with a club who keeps its business very close to its chest) we don't really have a clue who is responsible so trying to apportion blame I think is futile.
I'd expect more business to be completed by the end of the transfer window and it to be something we have no idea about. It is how we do our dealings. Whether they will be inspirational is up for debate.

Spot on, we can pick over the bones once the window is closed........pointless beforehand.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on August 02, 2017, 09:32:50 AM
Quote from: kanu on August 01, 2017, 07:32:49 AM
If we bought some quality players and played exciting counter attacking football, like we did from November to march last season, then the ground would be full. It's not rocket science.
Fact is we're chasing Marc wilson as if he's some kind of marquee signing. Add to that Thomas Vermaelen who's hardly played any football for 4 years due to injuries and loss of form.
Our squad is weaker than last year and on top of that we're picking up a lot of injuries in pre season.
We get the ocasional tease that we're prepared to pay 25m for Cavaliho, and 22m for Silva but as we all know TP doesn't want these deals as they are exciting players with tricks in their locker. They don't fit his 'aaard workin british lads' but they would fill the ground and get us all on the edge of our seats.
TP is a double whammy, he instils boring football and he blocks any flair signings. If one slips through the net then he falls out with them.
Its no wander we don't fill the ground and that we can't even take our full away allocation to short trips like Stoke.
...And it's no wonder most of us aren't in the slightest bit excited about the coming season. For christs sake it starts in 11 days and we're losing to Bristol Rovers with our full strength team.

Great post - sums up the situation perfectly. We want to be entertained.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BRIAN on August 02, 2017, 09:43:16 AM
Pulis will tell us that the "new signings" are not yet "match fit" so will be unavailable for some time. He has said this before and will no doubt say it again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on August 02, 2017, 10:33:14 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on August 02, 2017, 07:50:43 AM
Spot on, we can pick over the bones once the window is closed........pointless beforehand.
Completely disagree. The time to assess the transfer dealings is when the season kicks off at the very latest, and probably now. The experience of previous windows should tell us that Pulis likes his new players to have had a full pre season, be fully integrated with the rest of the squad, and be match fit. If they aren't these three things, he will be reluctant to play them, so their value to us is much reduced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2017, 10:48:48 AM
When Tones time comes to an end and we leave the eu i will buy you all a shot. cant bloody wait
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 02, 2017, 10:57:39 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2017, 10:48:48 AM
When Tones time comes to an end and we leave the eu i will buy you all a shot. cant bloody wait

The grass is not always greener my friend ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 02, 2017, 11:09:25 AM
Quote from: timdon on August 02, 2017, 10:33:14 AM
Completely disagree. The time to assess the transfer dealings is when the season kicks off at the very latest, and probably now. The experience of previous windows should tell us that Pulis likes his new players to have had a full pre season, be fully integrated with the rest of the squad, and be match fit. If they aren't these three things, he will be reluctant to play them, so their value to us is much reduced.

Chadli doesn't really fit into your argument as he wasn't fully integrated yet started as soon as he joined.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 02, 2017, 11:18:45 AM
As others have said we can never know who is at fault. Is Pulis being presented with poor options by Hammond & co? Is he rejecting decent options because they lack the Premier League experience he looks for? Are we just being rejected? Or have we simply not offered the money to purchase?

There's a few cases where we've been linked heavily and seen players go elsewhere; Iborra a good example. What of the above happened? Papers abroad claimed we'd offered the money, the wages and then he ended up at Leicester.

Some of the teams we've been competing with have things against us;
Leicester - Champions just over a year ago
Southampton - Have fared well in the last few years, produce good talent that makes them money and a manager who has been bought in to improve their style
West Ham - London
Palace - London
Newcastle - some weird giant club reputation and Rafa Benitez
Watford - London

We should however be able to beat the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Burnley, Huddersfield and should at least be as attractive as Stoke and Swansea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on August 02, 2017, 11:50:21 AM
A huge part of the problem is the market we limit ourselves to. We are more powerful/attractive/wealthy than 99% of football clubs in the world but to date we almost exclusively shop for proven PL players. The result is all the power/wealth/appeal we do offer is lost as we go up against clubs who at best we are level with. We have no advantage when in theory we should have many.

Lets say each PL squad has 20 players there's 400 players out there.

Each of the top 8 have maybe 3 squad players who might entertain a move to us (Chadli, Evans, Gibbs, Chalobah, Smalling) so thats 21 players

Each of the other 11 clubs has maybe 7 players each who could arguably improve us. Out of those 5 or 6 will not be moving because why would you leave Swansea or Bournemouth for us unless we threw a load of money at club and player which we can't afford to do. So you get examples like Rodriguez or Berahino who are available for varying reasons. Lets be generous and say the 11 clubs out there have 2 each of these types of players. So we have a total market of around 43 players who fit our profile, throw in the likes of Gibson and make it a round 50.

Straight away we can pretty much take out anyone aged 23 or under gong on previous records so lets say that leaves around 35 players left.

The entire world of football where around 99% of players would like to play for us and we have a market of around 35 players at absolute best.

Then add in that you have to convince these players why taking a step down or moving sideways at best is a good idea
Add in that these select group of players are the highest (over?) paid players in the world
Add in the transfer fee's are the highest (worst?) value transfers in the world
Add in that we are not a fashionable club in any way
Add in our manager will undoubtedly put some people off playing for him

Then add in that any of the players who do fit our profile and we can get around all of the above will also likely be on the radar of at 4 or 5 other clubs around us in the league.  How many players does that realistically leave us with to target?

And then we/the club/Pulis sit around and wonder why we don't have many players in and why the deals are heard to do.

We have an abundance of proven PL players. If we go down this season it certainly wont be because of a lack of experience, a lack of PL experience or a lack of 'good characters'.

Everyone at the club needs to take responsibility for the window but until Pulis widens his net for what he deems suitable player we will always struggle to attract quality and we will always struggle to do business quickly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 02, 2017, 12:20:58 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on August 02, 2017, 11:50:21 AM
A huge part of the problem is the market we limit ourselves to. We are more powerful/attractive/wealthy than 99% of football clubs in the world but to date we almost exclusively shop for proven PL players. The result is all the power/wealth/appeal we do offer is lost as we go up against clubs who at best we are level with. We have no advantage when in theory we should have many.

Lets say each PL squad has 20 players there's 400 players out there.

Each of the top 8 have maybe 3 squad players who might entertain a move to us (Chadli, Evans, Gibbs, Chalobah, Smalling) so thats 21 players

Each of the other 11 clubs has maybe 7 players each who could arguably improve us. Out of those 5 or 6 will not be moving because why would you leave Swansea or Bournemouth for us unless we threw a load of money at club and player which we can't afford to do. So you get examples like Rodriguez or Berahino who are available for varying reasons. Lets be generous and say the 11 clubs out there have 2 each of these types of players. So we have a total market of around 43 players who fit our profile, throw in the likes of Gibson and make it a round 50.

Straight away we can pretty much take out anyone aged 23 or under gong on previous records so lets say that leaves around 35 players left.

The entire world of football where around 99% of players would like to play for us and we have a market of around 35 players at absolute best.

Then add in that you have to convince these players why taking a step down or moving sideways at best is a good idea
Add in that these select group of players are the highest (over?) paid players in the world
Add in the transfer fee's are the highest (worst?) value transfers in the world
Add in that we are not a fashionable club in any way
Add in our manager will undoubtedly put some people off playing for him

Then add in that any of the players who do fit our profile and we can get around all of the above will also likely be on the radar of at 4 or 5 other clubs around us in the league.  How many players does that realistically leave us with to target?

And then we/the club/Pulis sit around and wonder why we don't have many players in and why the deals are heard to do.

We have an abundance of proven PL players. If we go down this season it certainly wont be because of a lack of experience, a lack of PL experience or a lack of 'good characters'.

Everyone at the club needs to take responsibility for the window but until Pulis widens his net for what he deems suitable player we will always struggle to attract quality and we will always struggle to do business quickly.

We could debate the numbers and some of the premises in your argument BUT the fundamental tenet is correct, we are shopping exclusively in the cereals section and wondering why we don't have a varied or balanced diet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2017, 01:07:43 PM
If the harmony is not what it should be then it should be Pulis that goes, reason being his style of football aint never going to change however much money hes got. just ask 50% of clayheads, bristolians, gillinghamites, pompys etc etc etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 02, 2017, 01:11:01 PM
Pulls being sacked would be harsh, he's done nothing but improve us season after season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 02, 2017, 01:42:06 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on August 02, 2017, 01:11:01 PM
Pulls being sacked would be harsh, he's done nothing but improve us season after season.
Depends on your defintion of improve, in what way? In in 14/15 we kept 10 clean sheets under Pulis (in the league) in 15/16 we kept 8, last season we kept 6, in those years we scored 19 in 24  games under Pulis (14/15), 34 in 38 (15/16) and last season we scored 43 in 38.

in 14/15 we finished 13th with a goal difference of -13, in 15/16 we finished 14th with a GD of -14 and scored 4 goals fewer, so lower in the league, with less points and worse goal difference.
In that respect last season was a good season as we finished 10th with  GD of -8 and scored 9 goals more than the previous season so yes he improved us last season but I'd argue not the season before.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2017, 01:42:20 PM
loose to Bounemouth which is quite possibly likely with their exciting passing game and on the back of no competitve win since arsenal mid march, atmosphere going to be dour ay it. i will cringe when the crowd start chanting Megsons name. if Pulis doenst win a game say in the first 5, Bournemouth, Burnley, Stoke, Brighton, west ham. ooch

all i am asking is for 2 shoots on target as opposed to the normal one during games. now thats an improvement
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 02, 2017, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on August 02, 2017, 01:42:06 PM
Depends on your defintion of improve, in what way? In in 14/15 we kept 10 clean sheets under Pulis (in the league) in 15/16 we kept 8, last season we kept 6, in those years we scored 19 in 24  games under Pulis (14/15), 34 in 38 (15/16) and last season we scored 43 in 38.

in 14/15 we finished 13th with a goal difference of -13, in 15/16 we finished 14th with a GD of -14 and scored 4 goals fewer, so lower in the league, with less points and worse goal difference.
In that respect last season was a good season as we finished 10th with  GD of -8 and scored 9 goals more than the previous season so yes he improved us last season but I'd argue not the season before.

The season before was the worst football I have seen in many a year. If we revert back to anywhere near that standard, as we did in the last few weeks of last season, the knives will be sharpened.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 02, 2017, 02:22:43 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on August 02, 2017, 02:18:30 PM
The season before was the worst football I have seen in many a year. If we revert back to anywhere near that standard, as we did in the last few weeks of last season, the knives will be sharpened.

There won't be any blades left if they get sharpened any more  :P .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 02, 2017, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on August 02, 2017, 02:18:30 PM
The season before was the worst football I have seen in many a year. If we revert back to anywhere near that standard, as we did in the last few weeks of last season, the knives will be sharpened.

Totally agree, the back end of last season was awful for most of the time too with the exceptions being Arsenal and Chelsea at home when we played well. Both those games were without Phillips so it shows that we can play well without one of our more creative players.

I hope that this is the last season we see Pulis in charge, I do appreciate what he has done for us (steadied the pooh etc) but I want to be entertained when I watch us play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on August 02, 2017, 08:39:25 PM
It seems to me that quality players do not want to sign for a football dinosaur who employs the most ultra defensive tactics in the league. It can't be fun for the midfield or strikers constantly sitting in front of the back four deep in their own half and then being balled at to run like children.

If your a decent footballer then you'd probably want to stay well clear of our manager. Add to that he doesn't like flare players, foreigners who are new to the league, players under 25 years old, players under 6ft etc...can't be that surprising we end up signing journey men.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: NJS on August 02, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
baggie82: you are wise beyond your years.  Pulisball is from the Cretaceous era of soccer.  No self respecting mid-fielder wants to spent 90 minutes defending and watching the ball  fly over his head to a lone attacker who is shattered running around chasing the ball passed between defenders.  That's why TP cannot persuade anybody to come to the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on August 02, 2017, 10:42:16 PM
Quote from: NJS on August 02, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
baggie82: you are wise beyond your years.  Pulisball is from the Cretaceous era of soccer.  No self respecting mid-fielder wants to spent 90 minutes defending and watching the ball  fly over his head to a lone attacker who is shattered running around chasing the ball passed between defenders.That's why TP cannot persuade anybody to come to the Hawthorns.

Except for Rondon, Evans, Fletcher, Mcclean, Livermore, Hegazi, Nyom, HRK, Chadli, Phillips, Rodriguez or the other 6 or 7 signings he's persuaded to join us in the 2 years he's been here. 9 or 10 of those are main features in the starting 11 still too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: salaswba on August 02, 2017, 11:11:28 PM
Quote from: NJS on August 02, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
baggie82: you are wise beyond your years.  Pulisball is from the Cretaceous era of soccer.  No self respecting mid-fielder wants to spent 90 minutes defending and watching the ball  fly over his head to a lone attacker who is shattered running around chasing the ball passed between defenders.  That's why TP cannot persuade anybody to come to the Hawthorns.

My thoughts exactly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on August 02, 2017, 11:17:17 PM
In fairness to pulis who I can't stand watch athletico Madrid
But they do break with pace and numbers. Proper full backs, midfielders supporting, pace out wide and a decent striker.
So just play j-rod Phillips and chadli behind our new striker. Livermore sitting alongside our new central midfielder with an eye for a pass.
Evans alongside Gibson when he signs and our 2 new proper full backs and were sound!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 03, 2017, 06:39:58 AM
Quote from: graka on August 02, 2017, 11:17:17 PM
In fairness to pulis who I can't stand watch athletico Madrid
But they do break with pace and numbers. Proper full backs, midfielders supporting, pace out wide and a decent striker.
So just play j-rod Phillips and chadli behind our new striker. Livermore sitting alongside our new central midfielder with an eye for a pass.
Evans alongside Gibson when he signs and our 2 new proper full backs and were sound!!!!

It is not about the players. We don't look to break at all  with pace or otherwise. When Foster breaks up an opposition attack with the ball in hand when the game is level or we are ahead  does he ever look to release the ball quickly? We only break if we turn the ball over in open play and we are more likely to play it back to Foster to hoof it towards the half way line.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 03, 2017, 07:17:54 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 03, 2017, 06:39:58 AM
It is not about the players. We don't look to break at all  with pace or otherwise. When Foster breaks up an opposition attack with the ball in hand when the game is level or we are ahead does he ever look to release the ball quickly? We only break if we turn the ball over in open play and we are more likely to play it back to Foster to hoof it towards the half way line.

One of the main reasons why Leicester won the title two years ago, caught the opposition completely off guard and with Mahrez and Vardy it was devastating....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 03, 2017, 10:52:35 AM
It is about the players also....Vardy and Mahrez especially had the quality to go with the pace to hurt teams.
When Phillips was fully fit he could either go alone or have the composure to pick someone else out. McClean has the pace and has his moments but generally he just lacks that bit of quality and composure to finish things off.
Whoever was managing us at the moment would be desperate to get 3 or 4 more players through the door.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 03, 2017, 01:09:14 PM
I have to say one of the biggest disappointments has been Chadli, started bright but then for whatever reason never got there again. Strange one and I am sure there are theories as to who the bulk of the blame lays at.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 03, 2017, 01:42:39 PM
If it was purely about players we would try to break from a deep possession turnovers but the moves would break down or not result in a goal. We don't even try. Pace is not just the issue because Phillips and McClean are plenty quick enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 03, 2017, 02:49:17 PM
Maybe that's one reason we miss Phillips so much - if he's not there it's just McClean and he doesn't show the same end product.
 
I think we do try to break on occasions but with lack of pace at fullback (and out wide if Brunt is occupying one of the wide midfield/wing positions) it limits us.
We still need another quick wide option as far as I'm concerned, if Phillips gets injured I wonder where the threat is going to come from.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 04, 2017, 06:11:33 PM
England rugby coach Eddie Jones spent a day at the Albion.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/896737198?-11200:789:0

England rugby coach Eddie Jones has praised Tony Pulis’s hands-on training methods after watching the Baggies train this week.

The national team chief visited Albion’s training ground in Walsall on Thursday to get a closer look at how Pulis drills his players.

And he was impressed with what he saw both on the training pitch and in the sports science department.

“The approach of West Bromwich Albion brought me here,” said Jones. “They're not one of the big clubs in terms of finance so they have to be very creative in how they prepare the players.


"We're always looking for new ways to prepare the players better and there's a nice balance here between the sports science department and the coaching department. The club's doing a great job in maximising the resources they have."

Jones’s visit comes a few months after England manager Gareth Southgate visited the training ground to share tactics with Pulis.

And the rugby coach, who is known to be a drill-sergeant himself on the training pitch, felt akin with the Baggies boss.


“His ability to get the most out of his team is just fantastic,” said Jones. "I enjoyed the way he coached. He was out on the field barking instructions and demanding the best from his players. It was good to see a coach in action leading the tactical drive of the team.

“Sometimes you go to football clubs and the head coach doesn't do a lot of coaching. It's really refreshing to see Tony out there driving the players to be at their best."







Jones asked to visit the Baggies to develop his own coaching methods, but the Australian hopes he helped Pulis too.

"It's always good to exchange ideas," said Jones. "In a lot of ways there are similarities between the two sports.

"We're both trying to find space, we're both trying to get the best out of the players and we need that to be physical, mental and social."

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 04, 2017, 06:19:32 PM
Tells you something when Tony's methods impress a Rugby coach...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 04, 2017, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 04, 2017, 06:19:32 PM
Tells you something when Tony's methods impress a Rugby coach...
Tells you something when a fellow professional adds respect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 04, 2017, 06:57:01 PM
There is no negative to this latest story. One of the top sports coaches in the world is praising our set-up and Pulis' methods.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 04, 2017, 07:23:56 PM
Quote from: NJS on August 02, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
baggie82: you are wise beyond your years.  Pulisball is from the Cretaceous era of soccer.  No self respecting mid-fielder wants to spent 90 minutes defending and watching the ball  fly over his head to a lone attacker who is shattered running around chasing the ball passed between defenders.  That's why TP cannot persuade anybody to come to the Hawthorns.

Ah the famous myth that's trotted out...pay someone enough money and they will come.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 04, 2017, 07:30:15 PM
Its all well and good getting praise from fellow professionals.

I will use the words of Eddie Jones to warm me on another cold night coming out the Hawthorns after watching another abject performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 04, 2017, 07:45:49 PM
Don't often like what Paul Merson has to say about us but I think he makes a few good points about us here.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/896741554?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionsteve on August 04, 2017, 08:36:01 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 04, 2017, 06:19:32 PM
Tells you something when Tony's methods impress a Rugby coach...

Hopefully he has taught us how to keep the ball after our own throw in!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on August 05, 2017, 03:20:11 AM
The contrast between when Pulis joined on page 1 of this thread  and now is alarming. Theres alot of people who have commented on this thread who are anti Pulis. Without looking for argument im just wondering who those people think we could attract within our current means who can keep us stable and virtually guarantee survival like Pulis does but a better manager/coach?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 05, 2017, 07:06:37 AM
One of the things I like about TP, is his thoroughness about checking out character references of potential signings.
I notice that it has been reported that this is what turned him off Kieron Gibbs. I appears that Watford are looking elsewhere now too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2017, 07:23:07 AM
Quote from: baggie38 on August 05, 2017, 03:20:11 AM
The contrast between when Pulis joined on page 1 of this thread  and now is alarming. Theres alot of people who have commented on this thread who are anti Pulis. Without looking for argument im just wondering who those people think we could attract within our current means who can keep us stable and virtually guarantee survival like Pulis does but a better manager/coach?

We can't have this debate while the incumbent is here all I will say is that Pulis earns £2m a year which is more than all but a handful of coaches in any of the top 5 Leagues (aside from the Premier League and even here he earns considerably more than at least 6 of his peers) and most of those that earn more than Pulis are in charge of teams that are Champions League regulars.  Replacing him wouldn't be difficult.

The bit I've highlighted is just wrong no one can and just because he hasn't been doesn't he won't be in the future. Once Pulis has been relegated there really isn't any point to him at all.

Suffering Pulisball because it's protects us from relegation is futile and ultimately self destructive. As a short term fix Pulis was fine but all the long term reservations I had about his appointment are now coming home to roost.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on August 05, 2017, 07:29:16 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on August 05, 2017, 07:06:37 AM
One of the things I like about TP, is his thoroughness about checking out character references of potential signings.
I notice that it has been reported that this is what turned him off Kieron Gibbs. I appears that Watford are looking elsewhere now too.

To be fair alot of managers/head coaches before him were the same. Clarke and Hodgson to name a couple were very particuler about the character of signings.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on August 05, 2017, 07:33:47 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 05, 2017, 07:23:07 AM
We can't have this debate while the incumbent is here all I will say is that Pulis earns £2m a year which is more than all but a handful of coaches in any of the top 5 Leagues (aside from the Premier League and even here he earns considerably more than at least 6 of his peers) and most of those that earn more than Pulis are in charge of teams that are Champions League regulars.  Replacing him wouldn't be difficult.

The bit I've highlighted is just wrong no one can and just because he hasn't been doesn't he won't be in the future. Once Pulis has been relegated there really isn't any point to him at all.

Suffering Pulisball because it's protects us from relegation is futile and ultimately self destructive. As a short term fix Pulis was fine but all the long term reservations I had about his appointment are now coming home to roost.

To say you cant have the conversation because he is still here is such a kop out. You arent someone of a high position whos job is in threat for speculating on who could replace him and speculating as to who would do a job as good if not better than him. We are just fans having a friendly chat/debate ofcourse we can discuss it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 05, 2017, 07:38:25 AM
Quote from: baggie38 on August 05, 2017, 07:33:47 AM
To say you cant have the conversation because he is still here is such a kop out. You arent someone of a high position whos job is in threat for speculating on who could replace him and speculating as to who would do a job as good if not better than him. We are just fans having a friendly chat/debate ofcourse we can discuss it.

It can't be discussed on here. Board rules.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 05, 2017, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: baggie38 on August 05, 2017, 07:29:16 AM
To be fair alot of managers/head coaches before him were the same. Clarke and Hodgson to name a couple were very particuler about the character of signings.
I realise that 38, but several on this forum jumped to other conclusions when TP said he would not be pursuing Gibbs, citing the transfer fee, etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on August 05, 2017, 01:01:01 PM
Quote from: BB74 on August 05, 2017, 07:38:25 AM
It can't be discussed on here. Board rules.

Ill second that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 05, 2017, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on August 05, 2017, 03:20:11 AM
The contrast between when Pulis joined on page 1 of this thread  and now is alarming. Theres alot of people who have commented on this thread who are anti Pulis. Without looking for argument im just wondering who those people think we could attract within our current means who can keep us stable and virtually guarantee survival like Pulis does but a better manager/coach?

It's not just Pulis that would need replacing though - our whole approach to signing and retaining players would need an overhaul.

We need a few more like Mulumbu, Olsson, and Odemwingie, and a few less like Marc Wilson and James McClean. We need to identify players who will increase in value, allowing us to build a sustainable approach, not unlike Southampton, rather than just signing 'tried and tested' players who won't carry us forward. Even the head coach is only part of a joined-up approach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 05, 2017, 08:48:55 PM
I don't think you can dispute his salary. He gets paid well to do a job well. His job is clearly to keep us in the top flight and so far he has done that. He's meeting the objectives of his employers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2017, 09:43:13 PM
There is no coach that is a guarantee of survival not at club with our resources or in fact about half the division. We  have enjoyed the benefits of a short term fix but we are now well into the long term impacts of Pulisball and those are wholly negative.

My one concern is that Williams being a proper football man is that we will go out and hire another member of the Neo Brutalist School of British Coaching from frying pan to fire.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on August 05, 2017, 09:54:07 PM
Quote from: Standaman on August 05, 2017, 09:43:13 PM
There is no coach that is a guarantee of survival not at club with our resources or in fact about half the division. We  have enjoyed the benefits of a short term fix but we are now well into the long term impacts of Pulisball and those are wholly negative.

My one concern is that Williams being a proper football man is that we will go out and hire another member of the Neo Brutalist School of British Coaching from frying pan to fire.

Great comment - can't argue with a bean of that. I'm on holiday at the moment in Mallorca...when I'm asked what team I support, almost everyone says, "do West Brom even play footballl"! Banter I know but pretty sad ain't it 🙄😩
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: t76 on August 05, 2017, 10:03:01 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 05, 2017, 08:48:55 PM
I don't think you can dispute his salary. He gets paid well to do a job well. His job is clearly to keep us in the top flight and so far he has done that. He's meeting the objectives of his employers.
My thought is if he does not get players he wants- He walks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on August 05, 2017, 10:07:03 PM
Quote from: t76 on August 05, 2017, 10:03:01 PM
My thought is if he does not get players he wants- He walks.
It would look bad on him but no one would blame him with the lack of transfers. You can't do a job without the tools you need. I agree he may just say **** albion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 05, 2017, 10:30:57 PM
Quote from: t76 on August 05, 2017, 10:03:01 PM
My thought is if he does not get players he wants- He walks.

I am thinking you are right........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on August 05, 2017, 10:39:34 PM
Don't think he can afford to after the Crystal Palace job. Financially he needs the job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on August 05, 2017, 10:41:00 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on August 05, 2017, 10:30:57 PM
I am thinking you are right........

Can he afford to leave though? We all know what he owes, not small change even for a premier league manager..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 05, 2017, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: sconesy on August 05, 2017, 09:54:07 PM
Great comment - can't argue with a bean of that. I'm on holiday at the moment in Mallorca...when I'm asked what team I support, almost everyone says, "do West Brom even play footballl"! Banter I know but pretty sad ain't it 🙄😩
Tell em to feck off, that's banter too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 05, 2017, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: Sted1990 on August 05, 2017, 10:41:00 PM
Can he afford to leave though? We all know what he owes, not small change even for a premier league manager..

He won't walk but he also won't sign a contract extension I don't think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on August 06, 2017, 07:51:51 AM
Quote from: Sted1990 on August 05, 2017, 10:41:00 PM
Can he afford to leave though? We all know what he owes, not small change even for a premier league manager..

Of corse he can afford to. The blokes worth millions. Look how long he's been doing this for and the last few contracts he's had. The palace thing is rubbish for him yes but I'm sure can afford it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 06, 2017, 08:04:14 AM
Quote from: The Joust on August 06, 2017, 07:51:51 AM
Of corse he can afford to. The blokes worth millions. Look how long he's been doing this for and the last few contracts he's had. The palace thing is rubbish for him yes but I'm sure can afford it.

No he certainly can't afford it. The cost of the Palace case ate massively into his wealth.  He needs the pay-off from a sacking and won't be walking away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on August 06, 2017, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: The Joust on August 06, 2017, 07:51:51 AM
Of corse he can afford to. The blokes worth millions. Look how long he's been doing this for and the last few contracts he's had. The palace thing is rubbish for him yes but I'm sure can afford it.

Yes he is worth million but he also owes millions..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 06, 2017, 09:04:38 AM
If he did walk he knows there would be clubs after him come end of Nov. I don't think he will walk unless he genuinely thinks obstacles are being put in the way of signings. We just speculate...he's in a better position to know what's going on and what efforts are being made.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on August 06, 2017, 09:10:01 AM
Quote from: Sted1990 on August 06, 2017, 08:29:04 AM
Yes he is worth million but he also owes millions..

It was a bonus remember. So extra cash, he just needs to give it back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on August 06, 2017, 09:23:38 AM
If he was thinking of walking why would he talk his old friend sir Gary out of retirement to be his assistant? Hope he does thougj
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on August 06, 2017, 09:43:33 AM
Regardless of money, I think the bloke is dragging us down.

His seemingly narrow minded approach to transfers, summed up with a link to a 36 Year old Gareth Barry will inevitably be our undoing.

We're standing still , no signs of improvement on or off the field since about March.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 06, 2017, 09:53:56 AM
Quote from: The Joust on August 06, 2017, 09:10:01 AM
It was a bonus remember. So extra cash, he just needs to give it back.

The bonus was £2m but the court awarded Palace aggravated damages and costs which took the bill to over £5m. He is unlikely to have that to hand so he needs the money, yes he's had a long management career but most of it was before the big money arrived in the game.  He won't walk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 06, 2017, 09:56:41 AM
Quote from: mikehy on August 06, 2017, 09:23:38 AM
If he was thinking of walking why would he talk his old friend sir Gary out of retirement to be his assistant? Hope he does thougj

To give him a leg up to the caretakers job?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on August 06, 2017, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 06, 2017, 09:53:56 AM
The bonus was £2m but the court awarded Palace aggravated damages and costs which took the bill to over £5m. He is unlikely to have that to hand so he needs the money, yes he's had a long management career but most of it was before the big money arrived in the game.  He won't walk.

I'm sure he won't have to pay it all back in one go regardless.

(I don't think he'll walk either. Just run out his contract)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on August 06, 2017, 10:33:35 AM
Quote from: The Joust on August 06, 2017, 07:51:51 AM
Of corse he can afford to. The blokes worth millions. Look how long he's been doing this for and the last few contracts he's had. The palace thing is rubbish for him yes but I'm sure can afford it.

Dont think ill ever see him shopping in Lidl or Aldi thats for sure. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 06, 2017, 10:56:00 AM
Quote from: geoff on August 06, 2017, 10:33:35 AM
Dont think ill ever see him shopping in Lidl or Aldi thats for sure.
no that's Albion when it comes to transfers  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on August 06, 2017, 11:13:43 AM
Quote from: paulosull on August 06, 2017, 10:56:00 AM
no that's Albion when it comes to transfers  ;)

You're joking aren't you?

We're trying to shop in Kwik-Save despite it being closed 20 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommi on August 06, 2017, 12:16:02 PM
I don't think I ever remember seeing such a large majority of fans (and I mean proper fans not just twitter moaners) have such a lack of excitement for a new season.

Pulis is driving people away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 06, 2017, 12:28:42 PM
Quote from: tommi on August 06, 2017, 12:16:02 PM
I don't think I ever remember seeing such a large majority of fans (and I mean proper fans not just twitter moaners) have such a lack of excitement for a new season.

Pulis is driving people away.

Those who've decided there's absolutely no point getting worked up about it have had a Bostin summer  ;D. Roll on Saturday!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 06, 2017, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: tommi on August 06, 2017, 12:16:02 PM
I don't think I ever remember seeing such a large majority of fans (and I mean proper fans not just twitter moaners) have such a lack of excitement for a new season.

Pulis is driving people away.

I'd say it's lack of new signings rather than Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 06, 2017, 01:22:19 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 06, 2017, 12:37:48 PM
I'd say it's lack of new signings rather than Pulis.

Ultimately I'd say it was Pulis. Any new attacking signings soon get it coached out of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on August 06, 2017, 01:29:02 PM
We ended last season in definite relegation form and yet we've done virtually nothing to address the problem. If Pulis wasn't so desperate for cash after his court case I am sure he would have walked by now. Our wonderful club is in a total mess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on August 06, 2017, 02:07:52 PM
Pulis will blame anyone but himself for this season we are about to witness.

After six months was time the club should have said thank you and good bye. 

Pulis and the greed league has destroyed our club and I dont think there is a way back.

I honesty believe having watched a few of the work outs this season for us will be a blood bath.

We could not score against a Pepe Mel team says it all, and well done Pep you were never given a chance.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 06, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: Throstletown on August 06, 2017, 02:07:52 PM
Pulis will blame anyone but himself for this season we are about to witness.

After six months was time the club should have said thank you and good bye. 

Pulis and the greed league has destroyed our club and I dont think there is a way back.

I honesty believe having watched a few of the work outs this season for us will be a blood bath.

We could not score against a Pepe Mel team says it all, and well done Pep you were never given a chance.

Pepe who couldn't be arsed to turn up half the time and wasn't respected by the players at all. Thank God he wasn't given a chance we'd probably be in League 1 by now!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 06, 2017, 02:27:07 PM
Quote from: BB74 on August 06, 2017, 01:22:19 PM
Ultimately I'd say it was Pulis. Any new attacking signings soon get it coached out of them.

Disagree, when he hit his stride Matty Phillips looked a threat everytime he played before getting injured. So did Chadli before getting injured (Spurs fans warned us he's very inconsistent and sometimes it's like playing with ten men). I think J Rod will be a key player for us this season, hopefully another winger to come in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on August 06, 2017, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: Morany on August 06, 2017, 11:13:43 AM
You're joking aren't you?

We're trying to shop in Kwik-Save despite it being closed 20 years.

They're still one in West Brom :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 06, 2017, 03:57:14 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 06, 2017, 02:27:07 PM
Disagree, when he hit his stride Matty Phillips looked a threat everytime he played before getting injured. So did Chadli before getting injured (Spurs fans warned us he's very inconsistent and sometimes it's like playing with ten men). I think J Rod will be a key player for us this season, hopefully another winger to come in.
Agreed, I just hope these players can stay fit. It's not rocket science to work out and it's not Pulis' coaching....if your squad is thin and your best attacker gets injured and Chadli misfiring, any cutting edge is suddenly badly blunted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on August 06, 2017, 04:12:29 PM
We need a central midfielder with pace,a tackle and can pass and then move not wait in the same position for the ball to come straight back.

You need that to feed the wings quickly and put the ball to feet or in front of them to run on to not a centre have with a nine iron on his boot. Creating space to exploit rather than a big crowd like I played at school, professional players should being kick and run.

We need proper full backs who can support wide players and overlap to stretch the opposition.

Finally we need that loud mouth to shut up and allow the team to play football, rather than keeping to their boxes and set positions.

   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on August 06, 2017, 04:16:02 PM
Quote from: Throstletown on August 06, 2017, 02:07:52 PM
Pulis will blame anyone but himself for this season we are about to witness.

After six months was time the club should have said thank you and good bye. 

Pulis and the greed league has destroyed our club and I dont think there is a way back.

I honesty believe having watched a few of the work outs this season for us will be a blood bath.

We could not score against a Pepe Mel team says it all, and well done Pep you were never given a chance.

Completely agree with you on this Throstletown. Admittedly only based on the end of last seasons tired performances and this pre season which as we understand is mostly about fitness and prep, I still have not seen any evidence of how we can set up or even how we can attempt to compete in Prem matches this season. We have shown very little effective organisation and even less skill. We have created hardly any chances and have shown hardly any improvement in finishing. I am not  suggesting that JRod and Hegazi are poor signings but it seems that the rest of this team has degenerated enough to negate any improvements these two might have brought.  I really hope I am totally wrong but I am seriously concerned that if he stays long enough, this season will end Pulis' no relegation record.  The only hope is for some more signings of the quality of the first two and a consistent and fit  Foster, Evans, Phillips and Chadli to go with them backed by the ard work of the less talented - and a great deal of good fortune.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 06, 2017, 04:31:41 PM
What have we achieved since the last third of last season?
Nothing!
The friendlies have not worked out, we are still using his tactics which are just failing.
With him around we will just stagnate and flounder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 06, 2017, 05:20:11 PM
PULIS HAS NEVER BEEN RELEGATED but there's always a first time >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on August 06, 2017, 07:12:44 PM
I genuinely like and respect Tony Pulis, November to February was some of the best times watching in Albion in the premier league.
I think he's built a decent first 11 and whilst we can all be frustrated by the British net he signs players from we must accept that he's always been the same, the club knew this when he was appointed so I put the blame on the lack of transfers solely on the club. I do think Pulis has to take responsibility for the last 2 season collapse at the end but I think the players need to take some, mix that with tough fixtures and a lack of confidence then it wasn't that surprising.

Will we go down this season under Pulis? Not a chance.
We will progress and make a cup final?
Not a chance.

However I genuinely believe Pulis has to go, no matter what this leads to he has to go, the club is like poison at the moment, there's clear unrest behind the scenes and the fans are at each other's throats 24/7 (see any Facebook page or this forum).
That way we can hopefully all unite behind a new coach and then see if we can play entertaining football, sign European players and survive in the greed league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on August 06, 2017, 08:59:06 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 06, 2017, 02:27:07 PM
Disagree, when he hit his stride Matty Phillips looked a threat everytime he played before getting injured. So did Chadli before getting injured (Spurs fans warned us he's very inconsistent and sometimes it's like playing with ten men). I think J Rod will be a key player for us this season, hopefully another winger to come in.

Not really,

Before his knock when he came to us he was played in the middle just behind rondon... creating chances and scoring goals.

After the injury he was put on the wing and made to do something he just cant do... get back and constantly cover the full back.

That's not the injury, that's pulis' choice.

Hopefully with Rodriguez and Phillips fit we will see chadli playing where he can be effective for us this season which is just behind the striker.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on August 06, 2017, 09:35:12 PM
We win Saturday all be loving our Tony  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2017, 09:39:39 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on August 06, 2017, 09:35:12 PM
We win Saturday all be loving our Tony  :D

Doubt that, it'd probably all be down to the influence of Sir G  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 06, 2017, 10:26:57 PM
Pulis left Palace because he wasn't backed in the transfer market. Surely history will repeat itself if the story is the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on August 06, 2017, 10:35:43 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 06, 2017, 10:26:57 PM
Pulis left Palace because he wasn't backed in the transfer market. Surely history will repeat itself if the story is the same.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIE5 on August 06, 2017, 11:19:51 PM
If pulis hadn't lost the money.. I think he would have been creating some waves now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2017, 07:47:30 AM
club are playing a dangerous game here either back him which i dont support or sack him which i support before its too late if you want to remain in the top flight. quite possibly the least enthusiatic start to a season i can remember
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 07, 2017, 08:00:06 AM
Too late to sack now, should have been done immediately upon the close of the season. Due diligence could have been done in advance, new manager in place before June and someone they would trust with funds to strengthen in the right areas instead of merely bringing in players already playing on these shores who cost a ridiculous premium.

Can understand them not backing the sort of players he wants, but it seems bizarre to me that they'd keep him on if they were not going to back him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2017, 08:03:10 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on August 07, 2017, 08:00:06 AM
Too late to sack now, should have been done immediately upon the close of the season. Due diligence could have been done in advance, new manager in place before June and someone they would trust with funds to strengthen in the right areas instead of merely bringing in players already playing on these shores who cost a ridiculous premium.

Can understand them not backing the sort of players he wants, but it seems bizarre to me that they'd keep him on if they were not going to back him.


its better sacking him now than november which will most likely happen if the atmosphere and results around the place dont improve.
Quick do it now before we bring in more pensioner footballers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on August 07, 2017, 08:44:54 AM
Can't sack him he's the only manager who can keep us up.... how on earth the other clubs manage to do it  is a mystery.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 07, 2017, 10:52:13 AM
Looks like we are mostly predicting an unmitigated disaster.... if so come end of November he'll be gone?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 07, 2017, 11:00:25 AM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on August 07, 2017, 10:52:13 AM
Looks like we are mostly predicting an unmitigated disaster.... if so come end of November he'll be gone?

I was on a few betting sites over the weekend and he is top of the list for Premier league managers to leave their post first. Think I saw 2/1 somewhere.......

What do they know?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 07, 2017, 11:03:23 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on August 07, 2017, 11:00:25 AM
I was on a few betting sites over the weekend and he is top of the list for Premier league managers to leave their post first. Think I saw 2/1 somewhere.......

What do they know?!

Not a lot to be honest, maybe looking at some of the posts on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 07, 2017, 11:06:09 AM
Never been a fan of Pulis, but it now seems to the tide is turning. It seems a large quantity of fans are nwo turning against him.

Rightly so in my eyes. He bulks at the Gibbs deal which was a fairprice, decent sell on value yet is quite happy to give a 36 year old a 2-year deal despite the fact his legs went a couple of seasons back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on August 07, 2017, 11:41:27 AM
I'm a fan of pulis but examples like Gibbs do make you realise how one dimensional pulis is in his tactical and selection/recruitment policies, if this becomes a detrimental factor to our season he'll have a lot to answer for, there's no excuse when you see some of the players that have moved to comparative clubs like Watford/palace/stoke/southampton over the years and we're nowhere near attracting the calibre that they seem to be able to, is the wage budget %/revenue not similar for these sort of clubs too? Really want to be positive going into new season but issues such as the left back position which has been problematic for a while now, not a new issue,  make you wonder what on earth is going on during the transfer windows at our club

Quote from: ashdoy on August 07, 2017, 11:06:09 AM
Never been a fan of Pulis, but it now seems to the tide is turning. It seems a large quantity of fans are nwo turning against him.

Rightly so in my eyes. He bulks at the Gibbs deal which was a fairprice, decent sell on value yet is quite happy to give a 36 year old a 2-year deal despite the fact his legs went a couple of seasons back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 07, 2017, 12:10:30 PM
Just looking at the so called pundits final table for season 17 18 pulis factor keeps us up Just, maybe owners are looking at this as gospel
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on August 07, 2017, 12:46:13 PM
Quote from: paulosull on August 07, 2017, 12:10:30 PM
Just looking at the so called pundits final table for season 17 18 pulis factor keeps us up Just, maybe owners are looking at this as gospel
I think so. They believe that we are immune from relegation with him at the helm, so have put their money back in their pockets.
If the last 12 games of last season and this pre-season are anything to go by, they are making a big mistake.
Pulis strength has always been defence but we just aren't any good at it any more, not clean sheet good anyway. His answer seems to be just defend even deeper which just makes it wors,e as it becomes 1st goal the winner and the first goal almost inevitably goes to the opposition.
Worrying times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hillsm on August 07, 2017, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on August 07, 2017, 11:06:09 AM
Never been a fan of Pulis, but it now seems to the tide is turning. It seems a large quantity of fans are nwo turning against him.

Rightly so in my eyes. He bulks at the Gibbs deal which was a fairprice, decent sell on value yet is quite happy to give a 36 year old a 2-year deal despite the fact his legs went a couple of seasons back.


It's been widely reported that we didn't pursue Gibbs as his character reference wasn't up to scratch, which is the right thing to do in such cases.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 07, 2017, 01:09:42 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on August 07, 2017, 11:06:09 AM
Never been a fan of Pulis, but it now seems to the tide is turning. It seems a large quantity of fans are nwo turning against him.

The fans turned last year, chanting "Tony Pulis, your football is s#!t" at Bournemouth. Two of three wins and most were back on side. Same now. We'll probably nick it 1-0 on Saturday, header from a set piece after they've been playing it around us all game, and everybody will be saying we were panicking for nothing and we're still a good team.

Nowt so fickle as modern football fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 07, 2017, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on August 07, 2017, 01:09:42 PM
The fans turned last year, chanting "Tony Pulis, your football is s#!t" at Bournemouth. Two of three wins and most were back on side. Same now. We'll probably nick it 1-0 on Saturday, header from a set piece after they've been playing it around us all game, and everybody will be saying we were panicking for nothing and we're still a good team.

Nowt so fickle as modern football fans.

what's fickle about criticism when things are bad and praise when things are good?

Up to Leicester away the football was mostly poor, West Ham at home probably the one exception. After the two or three wins became 5 and more and we were playing some good stuff more fans got behind us.

If we do win 1-0 on Saturday I'll be pleased with the result but if I feel we've been poor/lucky/the best team then I'll say so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on August 07, 2017, 06:29:58 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on August 07, 2017, 01:09:42 PM
The fans turned last year, chanting "Tony Pulis, your football is s#!t" at Bournemouth. Two of three wins and most were back on side. Same now. We'll probably nick it 1-0 on Saturday, header from a set piece after they've been playing it around us all game, and everybody will be saying we were panicking for nothing and we're still a good team.

Nowt so fickle as modern football fans.
I won't, because we ain't!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 07, 2017, 06:34:53 PM
I heard that we scored our lowest ever number of goals both at home and away last year in the clubs history, can anyone confirm if this is true.
find it hard to believe that stat and finishing 10th.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 07, 2017, 06:43:02 PM
Well he's got one more year on his contract so this could be his final season with us if he doesn't sign a contract extension.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on August 07, 2017, 07:17:41 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 07, 2017, 06:34:53 PM
I heard that we scored our lowest ever number of goals both at home and away last year in the clubs history, can anyone confirm if this is true.
find it hard to believe that stat and finishing 10th.
Well here's the last 5 years total goals

2016/17  43
2015/16  34
2014/15  38
2013/14  43
2012/13  53 (Amazing the effect of a potent strike force)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2017, 07:26:03 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 07, 2017, 06:34:53 PM
I heard that we scored our lowest ever number of goals both at home and away last year in the clubs history, can anyone confirm if this is true.
find it hard to believe that stat and finishing 10th.


You heard wrong...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 07, 2017, 07:38:14 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2017, 07:26:03 PM

You heard wrong...
bloody battery...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 07, 2017, 08:09:51 PM
With regards to Gibbs to you spend such an amount on a player with such a bad injury record? Top quality but such a big risk. A player with a year left on his contract who'll command a transfer fee of £10m+ and big wages is a risk. Obviously too much of one for either Pulis or the board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2017, 08:18:30 AM
Just realised i am in the smethwick saturday, i hope they dont sing that glad all over song
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 08, 2017, 09:56:18 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2017, 08:18:30 AM
Just realised i am in the smethwick saturday, i hope they dont sing that glad all over song
Pretty sure they will Glyn pretty sure they will, some of them do it purely for the windup!
Whereabouts are you sitting/standing?
Come and say hello at NN99 if you are near enough
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2017, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on August 08, 2017, 09:56:18 AM
Pretty sure they will Glyn pretty sure they will, some of them do it purely for the windup!
Whereabouts are you sitting/standing?
Come and say hello at NN99 if you are near enough


b2 row ww seat 124. i will come say hello big Frank. is that correct its a song for a wind up :D

next home game Watford in the East Stand, dreading the brummie but ill give it ago.
One game a month for the time being
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 08, 2017, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2017, 08:18:30 AM
Just realised i am in the smethwick saturday, i hope they dont sing that glad all over song

Be honest you'll be joining in once we go 1 nil up  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2017, 02:06:41 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 08, 2017, 01:55:02 PM
Be honest you'll be joining in once we go 1 nil up  ;)

i will stick to the palace version thanks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 09, 2017, 11:53:39 AM
Like most fans i think its fairly obvious we need reinforcements and in an ideal world we would of had them in over pre season certainly before saturday.

However the new owners said that it was business a usual and so i didnt expect anything different to whats happened, the time i judge will be August 31st and i would imagine that would be a key factor in Pulis thinking because by then it will be clear if the owners really back him.

This is their first full Summer window with their own people doing it their way, i know they took over last summer but there was the JP consultancy, and there is usually a teething period when business change hands, and ultimately thats how they will view us, a business.

They arent like some owners who will just thrown money at it the second they walk in and they stated that to start with, so although there have been anti climaxes in the past, they were under different ownership so i think end of August will be a time to judge.

Out the players linked, i am not massively excited but i also think you go with what suits, the reality is Pulis has a type of player he likes, its worked well for him through his career so i dont see him changing now, i would hope the difference being we are targeting better quality of Pulis type players if that makes any sense.

I am confused by the whole contract situation as in it seemed he was signing one, then we hit the bad patch and it just dont get mentioned since, whether there is posturing from both sides, ie - Pulis is saying back me before i sign and the board are saying after how bad the end of last season was, lets see how we start the new one before we you actually offer you one.

As it stands i think we will be in a real relegation battle with the squad we have but have a better idea by end of August.

As a fan i am not massively excited by the new season, part of that is because of how we downed tools on 40 points last season and left a bad taste the last few months (if i was the board and offering Pulis a deal i would be insistent that 50 points has to be reached this season, you have to keep raising the bar). Also part of the lack of excitement is complete premier league overload about the new season, i know there has to be a build up, etc but sky sports and BT just seem in over kill mode and its doing my head in!

I may be on my own but i dont really care what colour pants Alexis Sanchez wears or where David Luiz likes his steak medium or well done, its just a bit OTT and sometimes feels there is no getting away from it!

Went slightly off topic at the end there!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 09, 2017, 02:41:28 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on August 09, 2017, 11:53:39 AM
Also part of the lack of excitement is complete premier league overload about the new season, i know there has to be a build up, etc but sky sports and BT just seem in over kill mode and its doing my head in!

I may be on my own but i dont really care what colour pants Alexis Sanchez wears or where David Luiz likes his steak medium or well done, its just a bit OTT and sometimes feels there is no getting away from it!

Bang on.

I am done with this league. Bores the daylights out of me. i'd honestly rather have the yo-yo years than the last 6 anyday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 09, 2017, 03:06:18 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on August 09, 2017, 02:41:28 PM
Bang on.

I am done with this league. Bores the daylights out of me. i'd honestly rather have the yo-yo years than the last 6 anyday.

No way, I love the fact we're in the Premier League giving the big boys a run for their money. It's the best league in the world and the place to be. No way do I want to see Championship football again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on August 09, 2017, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 09, 2017, 03:06:18 PM
No way, I love the fact we're in the Premier League giving the big boys a run for their money. It's the best league in the world and the place to be. No way do I want to see Championship football again.

Giving the big boys a run for their money. Good one. That is genuinely funny.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 09, 2017, 03:36:43 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 09, 2017, 03:06:18 PM
No way, I love the fact we're in the Premier League giving the big boys a run for their money. It's the best league in the world and the place to be. No way do I want to see Championship football again.

Really don't know how anyone can think the premiership is the best league in the world.

1) Best players - Well thats obviously Spain
2) Most competitive - Not at all. The majority of teams in this 20 team league have a 1000/1 or worse shot of winning it. Just barmy
3) Most exciting. In what way? Surely the fact its so uncompetitive makes it mind numbingly boring. The fact relegation is so damaging too means the division gets clogged up with teams like us who just try and park the bus their way to 40 points.

Am I missing other criteria that makes the premiership the best. Atmosphere's maybe?... is it really that good? My close friends went to a game in Germany a few months ago and came back saying the crowd were way more up for it than the average premiership game.

I'm really struggling
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on August 09, 2017, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 09, 2017, 03:06:18 PM
No way, I love the fact we're in the Premier League giving the big boys a run for their money. It's the best league in the world and the place to be. No way do I want to see Championship football again.

Yeah right, giving the big boys a run for their money and capitulating to Watford, Bournemoth, Palace, and the like.
The Premiership has run its course as we know it. European League next, then Franchises around the world.
Your season ticket soon will be to watch your team on the box.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on August 09, 2017, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 09, 2017, 03:06:18 PM
No way, I love the fact we're in the Premier League giving the big boys a run for their money. It's the best league in the world and the place to be. No way do I want to see Championship football again.

We barely laid a glove on any of the top 7 last year - and before the happy clappy brigade start foaming at the mouth I know we out set pieced Arsenal and very enjoyable it was too - but one swallow does not a summer make!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 09, 2017, 04:13:31 PM
I too think a lot of people buy into the hype.
we all know that
 - the top big 6 will secure 5 of the top 6 places minimum,
 - the 3 promoted teams will contribute 1 most likely 2 of the 3 relegated teams
 - the rest will mill about securing survival
 - the grounds are becoming largely soul-less bowls
 - Merchandising is more important than communities
 - the fans are bored to tears for large parts of the season
 - sky will dick the fixtures about mercilessly
 - unorthodox players are seen as a liability / risk not worth taking
 - the pundits are largely tosh and vastly overpaid
 - running 'ard and being "a good lad" is paramount to succeed
 - grounds are more and more filling with tourists, when did that start BTW?

 - The offering has changed out of all recognition and I'm not paying for the "new product" anymore !

Sorry, rant over!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 09, 2017, 04:31:32 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on August 09, 2017, 03:56:38 PM
Yeah right, giving the big boys a run for their money and capitulating to Watford, Bournemoth, Palace, and the like.
The Premiership has run its course as we know it. European League next, then Franchises around the world.
Your season ticket soon will be to watch your team on the box.
speaking of...

https://talksport.com/football/premier-league-clubs-want-play-games-abroad-when-conditions-are-favourable-scudamore-tells
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 09, 2017, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 09, 2017, 03:06:18 PM
No way, I love the fact we're in the Premier League giving the big boys a run for their money. It's the best league in the world and the place to be. No way do I want to see Championship football again.

You pay your money to watch Albion dont you? not who we're up against?

You'd take the last couple of seasons over the year we pipped Wolves? Or the year of the great escape? Or even the play off defeat season, with the likes of Koumas smashing in 30 yarders every other week?

Give me that, even the years we went down, over battling for 40 points and then giving up any day of the week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 09, 2017, 04:51:29 PM
Can we keep posts relevant to Tony Pulis please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on August 09, 2017, 05:18:51 PM
I agree, Get him out of our club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 09, 2017, 05:23:01 PM
Yeah lets sack the man who's improved our league standing year after year  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2017, 05:29:13 PM
the sooner hes gone the sooner i come back. even if were league 2 i would rather see the game how it should be played. he will never change his brand. just ask 50% of albion supporters, stoke, pompy, gillingham bristol etc etc 
hes a big head and he thinks he knows it all

come on admit it when was the last time he got you out of your seat

i would rather have legends mate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 09, 2017, 05:44:23 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on August 09, 2017, 05:23:01 PM
Yeah lets sack the man who's improved our league standing year after year  ;D ;D ;D
not true, although he only joined in January 2015 we finished 13th. his first full season the year after we finished 14th so we went backwards before improving to 10th last season. not any better than the years 2010/11/12 when we finished 11th .10th, & 8th.
will give him credit though for us having our lowest average attendance since 2009/10. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 09, 2017, 06:14:12 PM
I know this vein of discussion quickly gets closed down on here so am at the mercy of the mods, but given that other managers would still have the same recruitment team, backroom staff and owners, who would objectively do better here.

Remember Ranieri's name being linked to us at the time and it being absolutely slated by folk on here. He won the Premier League with a worse squad than ours.

There are ZERO guarantees in football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 09, 2017, 06:53:01 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2017, 05:29:13 PM
the sooner hes gone the sooner i come back. even if were league 2 i would rather see the game how it should be played. he will never change his brand. just ask 50% of albion supporters, stoke, pompy, gillingham bristol etc etc 
hes a big head and he thinks he knows it all

come on admit it when was the last time he got you out of your seat

i would rather have legends mate


I know who I'd rather have at the club...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on August 09, 2017, 07:21:38 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2017, 05:29:13 PM
the sooner hes gone the sooner i come back. even if were league 2 i would rather see the game how it should be played. he will never change his brand. just ask 50% of albion supporters, stoke, pompy, gillingham bristol etc etc 
hes a big head and he thinks he knows it all

come on admit it when was the last time he got you out of your seat

i would rather have legends mate

Who's to say the manager that replaces him will be any better..?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on August 09, 2017, 07:25:07 PM
Don't worry Glyn I'd sooner have you there mate! But there's one person I'd pick Pulis over!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2017, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: albion59 on August 09, 2017, 07:25:07 PM
Don't worry Glyn I'd sooner have you there mate! But there's one person I'd pick Pulis over!


cheers keith, been going quite possibly before he was in nappies, if he would rather have pulis there by the end of the season thats a good percentage of supporters then

I can just hear him now in his pre match tomorrow hyping the opposisiton to cover his faliure on the day
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on August 10, 2017, 03:43:27 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2017, 11:03:05 AM

cheers keith, bin going quite possibly before he was in nappies, if he would rather have pulis there by the end of the season thats a good percentage of supporters then

I can just hear him now in his pre match tomorrow hyping the opposisiton to cover his faliure on the day
As usual I agree!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 10, 2017, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2017, 05:29:13 PM
the sooner hes gone the sooner i come back. even if were league 2 i would rather see the game how it should be played. he will never change his brand. just ask 50% of albion supporters, stoke, pompy, gillingham bristol etc etc 
hes a big head and he thinks he knows it all

come on admit it when was the last time he got you out of your seat

i would rather have legends mate
Your going on Saturday aye ya.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2017, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 10, 2017, 04:18:26 PM
Your going on Saturday aye ya.


yes i have already said once a month,sorry to disappointed some of the few on here. next game watford 30th sept. will renew when hes gone   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 10, 2017, 04:34:35 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2017, 04:28:40 PM

yes i have already said once a month,sorry to disappointed some of the few on here. next game watford 30th sept. will renew when hes gone
But you are still going, so supporting the club even though he is still there. Come on Glyn you know you love Pulis really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 10, 2017, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2017, 04:28:40 PM

yes i have already said once a month,sorry to disappointed some of the few on here. next game watford 30th sept. will renew when hes gone

Once a month eh?

Crikey when did you have the 'op?

You're going to be even bloody grumpier if Pulis stays then, red rag to a bull and all that.

You'll be a real bundle of laughs what with all that there Pre Match Tension thingy too  :o  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2017, 05:31:20 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on August 10, 2017, 04:34:35 PM
But you are still going, so supporting the club even though he is still there. Come on Glyn you know you love Pulis really.

am gutted not to renew, its not all down to pulis.Hes not the devil you know. 6 games i missed last season because of sky. its the whole day i will miss booze & banter
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 10, 2017, 07:46:00 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2017, 05:31:20 PM
am gutted not to renew, its not all down to pulis.Hes not the devil you know. 6 games i missed last season because of sky. its the whole day i will miss booze & banter

coulda fooled us :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 11, 2017, 09:18:58 AM
Signed a new 1 year deal. I learned my true feelings - my heart sank
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 11, 2017, 09:20:50 AM
Though I'll get behind him if he manages to bring in the right players and address our issues! Prepare for a meltdown - it's started on twitter!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 11, 2017, 09:21:43 AM
Fantastic news, so happy he's here for longer.
Great for the club, and it's real fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on August 11, 2017, 09:22:56 AM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/august/pulis-agrees-contract-extension/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 11, 2017, 09:24:04 AM
Fantastic.  Never felt so distanced from the club I love
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on August 11, 2017, 09:28:58 AM
Cannot believe the club are that out of touch with the fans to put us through another 2 years of his dross. Terrible decision
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 11, 2017, 09:30:54 AM
Personally had no intention of going to, or streaming any games this season with him still in charge anyway so i'm sure if I can do it for one season I can do it for two.

However, i'm sorry for all the people who have already parted good money with a season ticket to watch that 'football'.

You're not betraying the club if you don't want to pay £40 to watch us scramble around with 23% possession for 90 minutes and nab a goal from a corner, so I implore others (the overwhelming majority) who are bored senseless by this, to also vote with their feet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 11, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Play like we did Nov to Feb , no issue.
Nothing like Feb onwards though please!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on August 11, 2017, 09:33:27 AM
1 year isn't really a vote of confidence. If they need to get rid of him it's less compensation. Having a manager with his contract running down isn't great so it's the most obvious move.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 11, 2017, 09:40:55 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 11, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Play like we did Nov to Feb , no issue.
Nothing like Feb onwards though please!
bearing in mind that we keep talking about a 3month purple patch in a stint that is 2 1/2 years long suggests it's more of the latter than the former  :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 11, 2017, 09:44:04 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 11, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Play like we did Nov to Feb , no issue.
Nothing like Feb onwards though please!

Or the entirety of the previous season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 11, 2017, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 11, 2017, 09:40:55 AM
bearing in mind that we keep talking about a 3month purple patch in a stint that is 2 1/2 years long suggests it's more of the latter than the former  :'(
I know ,but its shown it can be done........pass me some straws!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 11, 2017, 09:49:38 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on August 11, 2017, 09:44:04 AM
Or the entirety of the previous season.
Not true , a lot of stinkers granted but games like Spurs at home we played very well.
The majority of players he wanted he has now , other than self inflicted depth issues he has no excuses.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 11, 2017, 09:54:46 AM
Him signing a new deal must mean he is at least happy with the clubs efforts this transfer window. Hopefully we'll make some in roads soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 11, 2017, 09:55:23 AM
Plenty people have two years to save for a season ticket now then   :P

Roll on Saturday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 11, 2017, 09:55:53 AM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 11, 2017, 09:54:46 AM
Him signing a new deal must mean he is at least happy with the clubs efforts this transfer window. Hopefully we'll make some in roads soon.

Or he needs the dosh to pay Palace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 11, 2017, 09:55:58 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 11, 2017, 09:49:38 AM
Not true , a lot of stinkers granted but games like Spurs at home we played very well.
The majority of players he wanted he has now , other than self inflicted depth issues he has no excuses.

From memory, there were three or four backs to the wall games against the big clubs where we put up some fight which was about the highlight that season. The football was dire.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 11, 2017, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: lewisant on August 11, 2017, 09:18:58 AM
Signed a new 1 year deal. I learned my true feelings - my heart sank
Can anyone nip round to Devon's place and hide all the sharp knives!
Bit heart sinking emotion here too but reserve judgement until end of the transfer window and seeing how we play in the firs ten or so games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 11, 2017, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on August 11, 2017, 09:55:58 AM
From memory, there were three or four backs to the wall games against the big clubs where we put up some fight which was about the highlight that season. The football was dire.
No , Spurs was a great game. I think it was my favourite Pulis game.There was a few. Grim granted but not as bad as some make out which is frustrating as his sides have played well at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on August 11, 2017, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 11, 2017, 09:21:43 AM
Fantastic news, so happy he's here for longer.
Great for the club, and it's real fans.

Possibly the most arrogant post I've seen on the forum.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 11, 2017, 10:07:09 AM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on August 11, 2017, 09:57:16 AM
Can anyone nip round to Devon's place and hide all the sharp knives!
Bit heart sinking emotion here too but reserve judgement until end of the transfer window and seeing how we play in the firs ten or so games
you know what the first 10 games will play out like... you already know how the next 2 years will play out like.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 11, 2017, 10:08:20 AM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 11, 2017, 10:07:09 AM
you know what the first 10 games will play out like... you already know how the next 2 years will play out like.
Good , ok , not so good.
Hit 40 points , switch off. Rinse and repeat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 11, 2017, 10:09:36 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 11, 2017, 09:47:38 AM
I know ,but its shown it can be done........pass me some straws!
sorry, I ran out about 2 years ago and haven't been restocked yet. I've been having to steal them from The Wolves fans this summer as they have plenty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 11, 2017, 10:12:53 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 11, 2017, 10:08:20 AM
Good , ok , not so good.
Hit 40 points , switch off. Rinse and repeat.
exactly what's the point? There's no intruigue, no chance or risk. It's dull and pointless... apart from the literal points, i mean they have a point and ARE points, but... you know.... BOO!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 11, 2017, 10:21:02 AM
Quote from: Dexy on August 11, 2017, 10:08:20 AM
Good , ok , not so good.
Hit 40 points , switch off. Rinse and repeat.

How much blame should fall on the players for the complete lack of effort for those final 10 games? Let's face it, we'd been set up to play that way all season, not like Pulis drastically changed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on August 11, 2017, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on August 11, 2017, 10:21:02 AM
How much blame should fall on the players for the complete lack of effort for those final 10 games? Let's face it, we'd been set up to play that way all season, not like Pulis drastically changed.
Part but then again the way Pulis plays and his fairly rigid 11/13 players he uses makes the side look physically gone by March.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 11, 2017, 10:52:29 AM
I'm pleased tbh. Puts to bed any concerns about him walking or any rifts within the hierarchy. Gives us stability for the next 2 seasons. Good move by the club.


Thought it would be lack of signings that caused the meltdown today! Twitter is a joke  ;D  some of the reaction is hilarious.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on August 11, 2017, 10:58:22 AM
Some people need to be put on suicide watch
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie_liam on August 11, 2017, 10:58:28 AM
You'd like to think he's agreed to a new deal after getting the financial backing on incoming players
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan87uk on August 11, 2017, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: lewisant on August 11, 2017, 09:18:58 AM
Signed a new 1 year deal. I learned my true feelings - my heart sank

Much like you my Heart Sank when I heard the news.... I DO understand WHY the club have done it, it adds further stability moving forward for the business structure of the club and puts to bed any speculation on whether he'll jump ship with lack of transfer activity  etc. etc.

BUT

Another 2 seasons of the worst brand of football possible and switching off if/when we get to 40 points beckons.

I remember when we used to deride Stoke for playing lump it football and other teams such as Watford when we spanked them at their own place chanting "3-0 to the football team". Now we are that team lumping the ball and it makes me very sad...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 11, 2017, 11:06:52 AM
Am I happy about the news? not really,  never wanted him and wont shed a tear when he goes, no doubt this will upset some on here, but as long as he is here I will support the club as I have done with even worse managers than him.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on August 11, 2017, 11:09:24 AM
Quote from: baggie_liam on August 11, 2017, 10:58:28 AM
You'd like to think he's agreed to a new deal after getting the financial backing on incoming players
looks that way so hopefully quality signings on the way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 11, 2017, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: baggie_liam on August 11, 2017, 10:58:28 AM
You'd like to think he's agreed to a new deal after getting the financial backing on incoming players
it'll be more about his own financial backing than the teams
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 11, 2017, 11:47:58 AM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 11, 2017, 11:10:33 AM
it'll be more about his own financial backing than the teams

He didn't offer himself the extension. The club made that choice and like everyone else in football, players alike, he'll be happy with the terms if he's accepted.

Interestingly I've been thinking how Pulis is criticised for wanting 'ard working' players at the club. I find this odd, especially given who our new assistant is. Megson certainly bit a squad of fairly average footballers working hard to get us in the league. Mowbray talked about 'artists and soldiers' in his squad. Hodgson set us up to work hard and be defensively sound. Di Matteo and Clarke are the only two who tended to focus on attacking flair over solid performances and they had some success but failed in the tough games.

One thing fans should be acknowledging is the change in attitude between managers - under more exciting managers we played nicer football but couldn't 'win ugly'. Remember when we could play against a team that was bottom and they'd disrupt our nice play and smash and grab a win. We could hardly ever beat teams around us. Last season we made it 3/4 of the way through the season where we'd only lost to ONE team below us when we were 8th. And we'd sneak wins against Chelseas and United and Arsenal by disrupting their nice football.

Realistically, hard work means you don't get battered by better teams and you don't lose the scrappy games against worse teams. Mowbray played lovely football but when your opposition want to frustrate you we didn't have enough to get past them. Part of the reason we always lost to Stoke. And now we don't.

It ain't pretty and fans can complain all they like about the entertainment factor, but our successes over the last 10 years haven't been playing primarily good football, it's been working hard and getting results.

We'd all rather win games ugly than have 80% possession and lose ugly. The 'win and play well' Venn diagram is small. Finding that balance is difficult. We battered Chelsea 3-0 when they won the league and they outplayed us statistically.

We need to play the football that works for us. And certainly based on recent seasons we have been lacking when hard work isn't at the forefront.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 11, 2017, 11:51:30 AM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 11, 2017, 09:54:46 AM
Him signing a new deal must mean he is at least happy with the clubs efforts this transfer window. Hopefully we'll make some in roads soon.

Totally agree, Pullis is no fool when it comes to protecting his reputation and income. As you suggest he must be happy with the budget that he has and know what is planned for the next 2 years otherwise he would not sign a new contract. He walked away from Palace for lack of spending
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 11, 2017, 12:05:31 PM
Brilliant news. Now let's get some players in!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 11, 2017, 12:20:31 PM
Congratulations Tony, another year in the premier league with a comfortable position finish should be rewarded.

It's disappointing that the game in general has been ruined  by all the money now swishing around in it where survival is the aim of every team outside the top 8, because the drop in the revenue with relegation justifies the unentertaining football.  It's about time the club and players recognised that fans want some entertainment or hope of more and made a real statement on the pitch with a cup run. Not many would complain about Pulisball if we got into a semi final of a cup.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 11, 2017, 12:23:11 PM
Overall I am happy with this. TP is making the right noises about progress and development, now he needs to be backed up by the owner and the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 11, 2017, 12:26:39 PM
I think now we have to get behind TP and be positive about the new season. If we can get off to a good start and get some good players in before the deadline then things will be looking much better. I think he needs to be cut some slack as he has improved us a lot over the last two years and hopefully will continue to do so. Hoping for a good cup run too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on August 11, 2017, 12:48:57 PM
I just can't believe we've just handed the contract extension to him, make him work for it. Tell him he needs to get at least 50 points and then we can talk about an extension. I know it's a new season but we went on a 9 game streak without a win to end the season why does that justify a contract extension?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on August 11, 2017, 12:56:31 PM
I'm gutted.  Genuinely devastated.  I see no positive in this extension at all.

I just see more of the rubbish that was served up last season (for a massive majority of the games) and the same defensive set up and relying on set pieces.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 11, 2017, 01:00:02 PM
Absolutely at a loss to see how he's earned this. Three good months last season sandwiched by rubbish?

It just shows the lack of ambition lying at the top of the football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 11, 2017, 01:01:46 PM
Quote from: baggies_24 on August 11, 2017, 12:48:57 PM
I just can't believe we've just handed the contract extension to him, make him work for it. Tell him he needs to get at least 50 points and then we can talk about an extension. I know it's a new season but we went on a 9 game streak without a win to end the season why does that justify a contract extension?.

Or at least get through the first couple rounds of the league cup before handing it to him.

Being as we have a 1000/1 shot at winning the league, the priority should be trying to win one of the two cups.

If we get dumped out in the first round again thats 1/2 season down the swanny as far as i'm concerned
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tex on August 11, 2017, 01:04:25 PM
It is just fashionable to bash Pulis. Albion had a purple patch at the start of the year but ran out of steam, around the palace game. Pulis had no real options to freshen up the team and we are still in that position. What do people expect from him? I enjoyed a lot of the games early this year and hoped he would be backed to strengthen and push on. The recruitment department is not working, change that approach then judge Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on August 11, 2017, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: tex on August 11, 2017, 01:04:25 PM
It is just fashionable to bash Pulis. Albion had a purple patch at the start of the year but ran out of steam, around the palace game. Pulis had no real options to freshen up the team and we are still in that position. What do people expect from him? I enjoyed a lot of the games early this year and hoped he would be backed to strengthen and push on. The recruitment department is not working, change that approach then judge Pulis.

His horrendous style of play has been the same at every club he's managed. Nothing to do with resources.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 11, 2017, 01:18:42 PM
Quote from: tex on August 11, 2017, 01:04:25 PM
It is just fashionable to bash Pulis. Albion had a purple patch at the start of the year but ran out of steam, around the palace game. Pulis had no real options to freshen up the team and we are still in that position. What do people expect from him? I enjoyed a lot of the games early this year and hoped he would be backed to strengthen and push on. The recruitment department is not working, change that approach then judge Pulis.

What if the recruitment department are putting name after name in front of Pulis and he is turning them down? Would people then judge Pulis?

I judge purely based on what I am watching week in week out and in two and a half years, it has been largely dross.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on August 11, 2017, 01:27:31 PM
'Being as we have a 1000/1 shot at winning the league'

Jesus that's terrible odds, ought to add another 0 to that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on August 11, 2017, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on August 11, 2017, 12:56:31 PM
I'm gutted.  Genuinely devastated.  I see no positive in this extension at all.

I just see more of the rubbish that was served up last season (for a massive majority of the games) and the same defensive set up and relying on set pieces.

I'm gutted too. What really saddens me is how it appears large numbers of albion fans, including a lot on this site, seem content and happy to accept our appalling style just to achieve the holy grail of 40 points. The personal joy and pleasure I receive from supporting my club is rapidly disappearing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 11, 2017, 01:55:54 PM
understand this from clubs perspective, however from my perspective its another year away from the shrine  :-X
Anyway is this one of SGM's exciting signings?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on August 11, 2017, 02:15:20 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on August 11, 2017, 09:33:27 AM
1 year isn't really a vote of confidence. If they need to get rid of him it's less compensation. Having a manager with his contract running down isn't great so it's the most obvious move.

Surely they wouldn't have renewed at all if they had little confidence.

Maybe he is one of the 5 signings  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 11, 2017, 02:40:53 PM
With the lack of signings lately, I am pleased that he's signed another 1 year deal. If we don't sign anyone else this window then Pulis would be the ideal manager to keep us afloat, hopefully we get some more in though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on August 11, 2017, 02:59:02 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on August 11, 2017, 02:40:53 PM
With the lack of signings lately, I am pleased that he's signed another 1 year deal. If we don't sign anyone else this window then Pulis would be the ideal manager to keep us afloat, hopefully we get some more in though.

Playing devil's advocate, could this have been Pulis' plan to stay in the job? Either with no signings or with 'Pulis-type' signings. In an 'I'm the only person that can protect your investment now and keep the club up' sort of way.

Win-win for him, if we don't sign anyone else and have a poor start he can blame the board for not backing him enough and state how every other team has better players than us. If he gets sacked it's a nice payoff. If we do well he can say 'look how well I've done with these limited resources' and maybe push for another extention.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 11, 2017, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on August 11, 2017, 02:59:02 PM
Playing devil's advocate, could this have been Pulis' plan to stay in the job? Either with no signings or with 'Pulis-type' signings. In an 'I'm the only person that can protect your investment now and keep the club up' sort of way.

Win-win for him, if we don't sign anyone else and have a poor start he can blame the board for not backing him enough and state how every other team has better players than us. If he gets sacked it's a nice payoff. If we do well he can say 'look how well I've done with these limited resources' and maybe push for another extention.

If not for the first three words of your post I would have asked what you're on.

Taking the first three words into account, I somewhat doubt the scenario painted by the rest of your post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on August 11, 2017, 03:17:28 PM
Really disappointed when I heard this let's just hope we start the new season better than we finished last or we will be in serious trouble, I hate his football but at the end of the day I am a loyal baggie and hope we do turn it around starting tomorrow. COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on August 11, 2017, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on August 11, 2017, 02:59:02 PM
Playing devil's advocate, could this have been Pulis' plan to stay in the job? Either with no signings or with 'Pulis-type' signings. In an 'I'm the only person that can protect your investment now and keep the club up' sort of way.

Win-win for him, if we don't sign anyone else and have a poor start he can blame the board for not backing him enough and state how every other team has better players than us. If he gets sacked it's a nice payoff. If we do well he can say 'look how well I've done with these limited resources' and maybe push for another extention.

Your theory would be fine but it's almost a fact that Pulis loves to sign new players, he's big on spending money and doesn't mind spending the owners cash if he can, plus there's only been two signings this season, so it's not like he's even been able to get in his 'Pulis' signings.

Anyway, an interesting video last season with regards to our corner tactics and scoring from them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h747UjOjKwo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h747UjOjKwo)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on August 11, 2017, 03:32:55 PM
This has made me really angry. It's further proof that the club doesn't give a flying you know what about the fans. I know some still support him but everything I've seen shows that the majority doesn't. How on earth can 9 games without a win, including a club record goalless streak, be rewarded with a new contract? What a complete joke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on August 11, 2017, 04:00:29 PM
Quote from: wbawill on August 11, 2017, 03:32:55 PM
This has made me really angry. It's further proof that the club doesn't give a flying you know what about the fans. I know some still support him but everything I've seen shows that the majority doesn't. How on earth can 9 games without a win, including a club record goalless streak, be rewarded with a new contract? What a complete joke.
How many managers have still been in a job the season after they took us down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 11, 2017, 05:03:29 PM
At least this robs him of the "I wasn't backed" excuse if they aren't backing him why sign the extension?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 11, 2017, 05:27:02 PM
Well I'm not happy about that. He's ruining football for me.
Not sure how he can get an extension after how we tailed off last year.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on August 11, 2017, 05:34:56 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on August 11, 2017, 12:23:11 PM
Overall I am happy with this. TP is making the right noises about progress and development, now he needs to be backed up by the owner and the club.
How gullible can you be? Pulis has always said what people want to hear but he never sticks to his word!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on August 11, 2017, 05:35:29 PM
From some fans point of view this will seem a backwards step and possibly unwarranted but take a step back and look at it from the owners point of view and it's a bit of a no brainer really.

I'm personally gutted by the news, really thought he might get us mid able this season then leave for a big signing on fee somewhere else at the end of the season and the thought of two more years is quite a depressing one.

However from the owners view he is as safe pair of hands as we are likely to attract and that won't change over the next 12 months. The gates whilst at all an all time PL low last season are not at crisis level and any real anti Pulis chants were at least matched by pro Pulis singing so it's not like we are at a point where fans are pretty much demanding he was sacked like at Stoke. On what grounds would the club look to get rid of him if you take away the emotive views held by a portion of the supporters? If we had finished 10th last season playing good or even ok football the vast majority would have been delighted. I'm sure the board couldn't care less what type of football we play and once you remove that from the equation it's not a hard decision for them.

I do still think if he hadn't been forced to hand over that money to Palace he would have walked by now. However his hands are pretty much tied and the only way he goes would be if another club came in for him. I don't see that happening mid season but possibly at the end of the year but it would need to be a 'big' team going down to the Championship and trying to tempt him with a large budget and high wages like Villa did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 11, 2017, 05:37:21 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on August 11, 2017, 12:23:11 PM
Overall I am happy with this. TP is making the right noises about progress and development, now he needs to be backed up by the owner and the club.

He's been making 'the right noises' for nearly 3 years now. When is enough, enough?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 11, 2017, 06:25:50 PM
I think it gives us stability for a couple of years now, and i would be shocked if there isnt some break clause after a year for both parties.

I think a manager who got us to 10th in the league and added some good flair players like Chadli and Rodriquez, deserves the chance to build on that and work with them and see how it goes.

I would be shocked if the board havent said to him along the lines of -

We will back you within reason (ie - we wont be signing Neymar) but also in return we are the only chinese owned premier league club, there is a huge market to get into out there, boring football and half empty grounds isnt the greatest selling point, so we expect more performances like the middle third of last season and a minimum of 50 points return and also a decent cup run and in no circumstances can the season be allowed to peter out like it did the last two.

If the above doesnt happen then i would imagine there is some break clause for next summer where he gets x amount to leave.

Worth pointing out Pulis probably could of walked away, sat tight til November / December, got a club who were in a relegation battle offer him a job, charge a kings ransom and massive bonus if / when he kept them up and that would cover his legal costs so would like to think he does really want to get us to progress as a club.

This is his first full season with just him and the new (ish)owners and chairman, no JP, etc so i think lets see how he goes, he may well not be the right man but think he deserves a chance so good luck to him!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 11, 2017, 06:27:27 PM
you can swallow this bitter pill with your free pint :D
think it was inevitable really, he's a dream to the owners who will want a return on their investment like anyone else would.
no guarantee he will be here in 12 months or 2 years time it all depends on how successful we are as contracts mean very little these days in football. don't like his style but if he's here in 2 years time it means the clubs done ok which is what comes first to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 11, 2017, 06:47:39 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on August 11, 2017, 06:27:27 PM
you can swallow this bitter pill with your free pint :D
think it was inevitable really, he's a dream to the owners who will want a return on their investment like anyone else would.
no guarantee he will be here in 12 months or 2 years time it all depends on how successful we are as contracts mean very little these days in football. don't like his style but if he's here in 2 years time it means the clubs done ok which is what comes first to me.


Well apparently not because you could say the last 2 years the club has done more than okay. Exceeded expectations. Yet there is still a proportion of fans who don't think he deserves this extension.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 11, 2017, 06:48:30 PM
We were in the top 8 for the majority of last season and I'm willing to bet there were no negative comments around March time. We had a bad run towards the end, our squad was stretched and didn't have the quality to keep picking up points. Whatever you think of the football I find it hard to believe anyone can think that Pulis hasn't done a fantastic job here when you consider the amount of money other clubs spend compared to us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on August 11, 2017, 06:53:15 PM
There is no reason to go into a season with your HC on a 1 year deal. Either fire him or extend him.

Let's hope for the best!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 11, 2017, 07:02:08 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 11, 2017, 06:48:30 PM
We were in the top 8 for the majority of last season and I'm willing to bet there were no negative comments around March time. We had a bad run towards the end, our squad was stretched and didn't have the quality to keep picking up points. Whatever you think of the football I find it hard to believe anyone can think that Pulis hasn't done a fantastic job here when you consider the amount of money other clubs spend compared to us.

Style of football left to one side, in my criteria a 'fantastic job' would have constituted a cup final, or at least a semi/quarter final. 

Finishing 10th out of 20 teams and being dumped out in the first round of both cups not so much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 11, 2017, 07:03:50 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 11, 2017, 06:47:39 PM

Well apparently not because you could say the last 2 years the club has done more than okay. Exceeded expectations. Yet there is still a proportion of fans who don't think he deserves this extension.
he does deserve it but then a gain I wanted Mel to be given a chance, we all think, feel and see things differently but it has to be earned and he's done that regardless what fans think of his style, which I dislike.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 11, 2017, 07:04:27 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on August 11, 2017, 07:02:08 PM
Style of football left to one side, in my criteria a 'fantastic job' would have constituted a cup final, or at least a semi/quarter final. 

Finishing 10th out of 20 teams and being dumped out in the first round of both cups not so much.

Well you haven't been happy since Mowbray then based on that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 11, 2017, 07:54:20 PM
With 12 months left on his contract the board have a decision to make either extend or fire him. Not for a moment did I think they would fire him at this point of time. However I would have thought they might have given it the 1st 10 games of the new season to see how we were progressing especially given the diabolical form of the tail end of last season.

The extension alters nothing much although it puts to bed any lingering suggestions that there is a schism between board and head coach. For those who think we are blessed by his presence and equally those who think it 's a curse we are probably have him for another 12 months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 11, 2017, 08:11:48 PM
Tend to think this is a win-win for both parties.

TP has a contract worth an alleged £3.4 million, WBA are only committed until 2019.

A one year extension suggests that neither party is keen to get into bed long term.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on August 12, 2017, 06:39:28 PM
Quiet on this thread isn't it!!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 12, 2017, 06:41:04 PM
The silence is deafening  8)

Tactics and team selection spot on today. Well done TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 12, 2017, 06:42:35 PM
Good performance, still think we play too deep and have too little possession.

Cant argue with the scoreline though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 12, 2017, 06:47:05 PM
Is it a case of while we are picking up results / points we will put up with the style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 12, 2017, 06:52:30 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 12, 2017, 06:47:05 PM
Is it a case of while we are picking up results / points we will put up with the style.

The style wasn't horrendous today though.

First half we were exciting and second half was a classic display of defending, not once did i get worried by the opposition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on August 12, 2017, 07:10:59 PM
We should give this guy an extension.

In all seriousness the style was alright today. Do think he was sending a message with his team selection. Youngsters at centre mid all game said to me he's looking to purchase in that position. Rondon 3rd choice behind Rod and HRK also stood out to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on August 12, 2017, 07:23:11 PM
Can't knock the bloke today tbd. McClean Jay-Rod and Phillips all threatening. Not too many lumps up to Jay, decent performance.

It's the stopping at 40 points thing which is my main beef tbh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 12, 2017, 07:34:04 PM
Less than 29% possession, at home to Bournemouth still isn't great is it.

Good 3 points. But with Pulis it's never been about not getting the points, it's the damn style we do it in.

Good start though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on August 12, 2017, 07:50:48 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on August 12, 2017, 07:34:04 PM
Less than 29% possession, at home to Bournemouth still isn't great is it.

Good 3 points. But with Pulis it's never been about not getting the points, it's the damn style we do it in.

Good start though.

With 29% possession we still had a lot more goal scoring opportunities compared to the Cherries.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 12, 2017, 08:01:54 PM
I am not subscribing to the "he was making a point with selection"
This is millions now not park football
Maybe the guys that started deserve some credit?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on August 12, 2017, 08:29:59 PM
Great tatics from Pulis today. I was pleased with the way we played today, first half was superb and second half we defended to perfection, it was great to watch top level organisation with us carrying a threat going forward.
Imagine the team he could build if we backed him in the market with the players he wanted?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on August 12, 2017, 08:40:17 PM
Fun to watch first half, professional defensive display second. I'd be happy with that but the fine margins are hard to maintain when the small amount of trusted players burn out come March.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 12, 2017, 10:17:38 PM
"He got the tactics spot on" No that's how he always sets up deep sitting block. The Bournemouth's of this world aren't a problem because even being gifted 70% possession most of which was in our half they couldn't muster enough to make Foster sweat.

Obviously teams of quality or teams that sit deep present us with a different problem. The gap between the striker and the rest of the team is still cavernous the inability to pass and move makes our task of protecting a lead even more difficult than it need to be.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on August 13, 2017, 01:02:31 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 12, 2017, 10:17:38 PM
"He got the tactics spot on" No that's how he always sets up deep sitting block. The Bournemouth's of this world aren't a problem because even being gifted 70% possession most of which was in our half they couldn't muster enough to make Foster sweat.

Obviously teams of quality or teams that sit deep present us with a different problem. The gap between the striker and the rest of the team is still cavernous the inability to pass and move makes our task of protecting a lead even more difficult than it need to be.

Well if the Bournemouth of this world who finished the 9th best team in the country last season and who have spent quite a bit on players (20m Ake, £120,000 a week Defoe) aren't a problem that sums up the job we are doing.

Can't believe the amount of people saying we will be struggling to stay up this season, we have no relegation problems at all!! Couple more players and I can see another good season just like last year. Try and keep it going for the whole of the season this year though Tony that's al I ask!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 13, 2017, 09:32:57 AM
Pulis teams defend well over a season. Most teams now have awful defences (including the top teams). Without the budget to lavish on attacking players it's a sound tactic to get us points. It ain't always great to watch all season though .  Bournemouth were there for the taking yesterday and with a bit  more ambition second half we might've scored a couple more and entertained the fans  a bit more as well getting the points , not knocking Pulis, His aim is the points not entertainment .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2017, 05:16:34 PM
A wins a win his first competitive since march. I will never take to his style oh and my ears hurt sat right at the back of the smethwick, he's certainly got a fan base up there


Next stop millennium corner
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 13, 2017, 08:24:06 PM
We are singing his name in the East Stand as well.
Top manager and thankful he's managing our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 13, 2017, 08:25:11 PM
Good performance yesterday, 25000 in attendance to see it. Of course the anti-Pulis minority will say that people turned up for the free beer, community groups had free tickets etc, etc. On the other hand many people on holiday at present, but still 25k created a good atmosphere, and we have 3 points in the bag after a good team performance.
Whats not to like? Give the man the tools to do the job and he will give us performances to go with the results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 13, 2017, 08:27:13 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 13, 2017, 08:24:06 PM
We are singing his name in the East Stand as well.
Top manager and thankful he's managing our club.
Yes we are Ukar, the East Stand was quite lively yesterday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2017, 09:22:38 PM
Fair play , to his support base I applaud you. You will soon get bored when the big boys start toiling with us . Bournemouth were dire , no competition . I was quite surprised really
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BRIAN on August 13, 2017, 09:33:39 PM
It is about time this ridiculous word "possession" was stopped. Possession counts for nothing unless you gain something from it. If you have scored goals when you have it OK, but you can have a large amount as did Bournemouth and still not score.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 13, 2017, 09:41:26 PM
Quote from: BRIAN on August 13, 2017, 09:33:39 PM
It is about time this ridiculous word "possession" was stopped. Possession counts for nothing unless you gain something from it. If you have scored goals when you have it OK, but you can have a large amount as did Bournemouth and still not score.
Imagine what could happen if we had more possession and had players capable of doing something with it, how good would that be?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 13, 2017, 09:45:37 PM
Quote from: BRIAN on August 13, 2017, 09:33:39 PM
It is about time this ridiculous word "possession" was stopped. Possession counts for nothing unless you gain something from it. If you have scored goals when you have it OK, but you can have a large amount as did Bournemouth and still not score.

Agree it's a stat that got blown out of the water once Leicester won the league.  It's a deliberate tactic by Pulis to let the opposition have the majority of possession anyway. Creating chances and shots on goal is more important than how much possession we have. Yesterday we could have had a couple of more goals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on August 13, 2017, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: BRIAN on August 13, 2017, 09:33:39 PM
It is about time this ridiculous word "possession" was stopped. Possession counts for nothing unless you gain something from it. If you have scored goals when you have it OK, but you can have a large amount as did Bournemouth and still not score.

Given possession is based on the ratio of passes a team makes compared to the total, Pulis teams will always rank poorly.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 13, 2017, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2017, 09:22:38 PM
Fair play , to his support base I applaud you. You will soon get bored when the big boys start toiling with us . Bournemouth were dire , no competition . I was quite surprised really

Not been at all bored Devon...well not the majority of fans, who are singing his name now.
You remind me of a Remainer who still doesn't accept a majority vote...Here's a thing.   Stop moaning and get behind the team, you never know it might just help.
Just saying like.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 13, 2017, 10:29:49 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 13, 2017, 10:23:04 PM
Not been at all bored Devon...well not the majority of fans, who are singing his name now.
You remind me of a Remainer who still doesn't accept a majority vote...Here's a thing.   Stop moaning and get behind the team, you never know it might just help.
Just saying like.

This has to be the most ironic post of the century.

Not sure about the majority of fans.
We scored a good goal from a set piece yesterday, from open play, we were no better than Bournemouth.
Think I'll judge after several games, not just the one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2017, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 13, 2017, 10:29:49 PM
This has to be the most ironic post of the century.

Not sure about the majority of fans.
We scored a good goal from a set piece yesterday, from open play, we were no better than Bournemouth.
Think I'll judge after several games, not just the one.


Well said baggiejohn, oh some folk do get excited since we won our last competitive game last march , five months ago
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 13, 2017, 10:51:26 PM
Still smiling after them three points. All the doom and gloom then we put in a good performance like that and get three points against the side who finished above us last season and spent a lot more money than us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 13, 2017, 10:52:24 PM
Amazing how result orientated people can be.

All of the neutral websites reported the game as a turgid dull affair where Bournemouth dominated possession.

I guarantee if we hadn't of knocked in a set piece goal and the game had finished 0-0 the Pulis daggers would be out on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on August 13, 2017, 10:52:56 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 13, 2017, 10:23:04 PM
Not been at all bored Devon...well not the majority of fans, who are singing his name now.
You remind me of a Remainer who still doesn't accept a majority vote...Here's a thing.   Stop moaning and get behind the team, you never know it might just help.
Just saying like.
Well I'm bored! Didn't hear anyone in the brummy sing his name, and didn't hear it from anywhere else either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 13, 2017, 10:53:09 PM
he's good at what he's about, keeping teams up. bit ott saying he's a top manager until he actually wins something. doubt any clubs bigger than  ourselves or Stoke will ever want his services. he is a mid table manager and not a top manager, that's not knocking him that's his track record to date.
would love him to win something here but  like many before him its a tall order now. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 13, 2017, 10:57:20 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on August 13, 2017, 10:52:24 PM
Amazing how result orientated people can be.

All of the neutral websites reported the game as a turgid dull affair where Bournemouth dominated possession.

I guarantee if we hadn't of knocked in a set piece goal and the game had finished 0-0 the Pulis daggers would be out on here.

Pulis tactically outclassed Howe, we could have scored 3 or 4.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 13, 2017, 11:18:54 PM
If Pulis ever changed tactics there might be an argument for him winning a tactical battle. However his tactics are always the same sit back and lob long hopeful balls at the lone striker. If those result in a set piece load up the box . Opposition managers either cope with it or they don't in this instance despite having the absolutely massive advantage of spending bucket loads of money (Defoe and Jordan Ibe take a bow) and doing so early in the summer Eddie Howe's boys came up short.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on August 14, 2017, 07:06:35 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on August 13, 2017, 10:52:24 PM
Amazing how result orientated people can be.

All of the neutral websites reported the game as a turgid dull affair where Bournemouth dominated possession.

I guarantee if we hadn't of knocked in a set piece goal and the game had finished 0-0 the Pulis daggers would be out on here.
We should have been 3 up at half time, we were much better than them first half then we rode the pressure easily in the second half

Great starting performance in my eyes and I was chuffed to walk away with 3 points

I expected a draw at best but I thought we played well - mcclean worked harder than anyone

9 more wins and 10 draws to go .......

 https://youtu.be/gnFT2eQy_Cw
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on August 14, 2017, 07:20:46 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 13, 2017, 11:18:54 PM
If Pulis ever changed tactics there might be an argument for him winning a tactical battle. However his tactics are always the same sit back and lob long hopeful balls at the lone striker. If those result in a set piece load up the box . Opposition managers either cope with it or they don't in this instance despite having the absolutely massive advantage of spending bucket loads of money (Defoe and Jordan Ibe take a bow) and doing so early in the summer Eddie Howe's boys came up short.
I watched the Watford and Newcastle games over the weekend and I can tell you there was a lot of hoof ball by those two teams. Newcastle tried to play the way we do and were not very good at it. And remember that style of play is under Benitez. There are several teams who try and play the way we do but they are just not as good at is we are. One more thing I would like to point out is JRod was so much better than Rondon has been and that helped us to play better and look better despite the tactics that many supporters don't like. My point is if we buy better players we will enjoy the performances more even playing the same tactics. Better players play better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 14, 2017, 08:00:07 AM
Quote from: albion59 on August 13, 2017, 10:52:56 PM
Well I'm bored! Didn't hear anyone in the brummy sing his name, and didn't hear it from anywhere else either.

it was definitely sung from the Smethwick, I could hear it in the East stand.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 14, 2017, 10:30:57 AM
Was sung (SME) shortly after the Brummie sang 'One Gary Megson'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 14, 2017, 11:29:35 AM
Tony now ready to sell Chadli, another exciting talent who "falls out" with Pulis.

Give me Chadli over McClean any day of the week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 14, 2017, 11:33:39 AM
Good God. Listen to words as they are spoken not as some hack interprets them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on August 14, 2017, 12:30:45 PM
Really looking forward to another 24 months of this debate   :D

2.5 years in now and it still wont sink in with some why others have an issue with Pulis.

Largely speaking the results have not been why people have a problem with Pulis. So coming on after a scrappy 1-0 win against an average Bournemouth side with comments along the lines of 'where are the Pulis haters now' is meaningless as they are still here with the exact same opinions they had before kick off.

It's great we won on Saturday and no matter how depressing it is for me to read the first '3 down 37 to go' comments that have already started popping up of course it gives you some enthusiasm for the season. However that enthusiasm is diluted (and this isn't just Pulis fault but also a result of how dominant the top 6/7 are now) by the fact we have absolutely nothing to play for already this season apart from hopefully avoiding a relegation battle. I know some think we may struggle this season and some others think that staying up is an excellent achievement but personally I don't buy in to either of those. So I'm in a position where although a win will always bring a smile to face the results themselves mean very little to me, or at least a lot less than they have in previous years following us. As a result other factors become more important.

Which brings us back to Pulis whose only concern is the result, and to an extent as much as I hate watching it I can't blame him for that. Just as I can't blame the board for employing him no matter how much I hate him being here. I can also understand why some fans love him and why others will gladly tolerate him whilst we are a PL side as they care deeply about being in the premier league above all else. It's not an opinion I share but one I can see and I won't argue with someone who says they like having him here.

What I will contest is that we will ever look to progress from where we are now, to evolve and improve the style of play and that if we give him more money/time to bring in better players the results/style will improve. This is not fact and nobody can say for certain that will/will not happen but literally everything in his career to date shows that he can spend £5m or £50m with a newly promoted club or established PL team and the results and methods will always be the same. It's part of the reason I don want Gibson for £25m because in our set up I think a £5m big strong CB will help us achieve the same results as Gibson would.

As others have said, if we had lost 1-0 on Saturday with the same performance it would have gone down as another 'classic Pulis' loss and likely be the 'aniti' Pulis lot on here asking where the pro Pulis group were. As we instead won the game to some of the pro Pulis it's an example of why he is fine/good/great and everyone should like him but as I'm trying to explain that has never been the issue.

I also think our performances in general have been so bad as a whole hat anytime we are not eye bleedingly bad its exaggerated in to 'we played pretty well today' and any time we play ok it's 'we were really good today'. I've seen quite a few comments on how we could have 3 or 4 against Bournemouth and many similar comments most weeks we win/draw. It doesn't work like that and it's literally looking at any decent chance we have and hyping it up. In reality we have 3 or 4 chances we could have scored from, which is an absolute world away from we could have 3 or 4. By that logic United should have beaten West Ham 11-0 and City put 9 past Brighton.

So it's a good win against a side we should be beating 6/7 times out of 10 at home. Nobody is ever going to be devastated about winning the opening game of the season. But to expect it to change peoples opinions on Pulis is like expecting Pulis himself to change.




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 14, 2017, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on August 14, 2017, 12:30:45 PM
Really looking forward to another 24 months of this debate   :D

2.5 years in now and it still wont sink in with some why others have an issue with Pulis.

Largely speaking the results have not been why people have a problem with Pulis. So coming on after a scrappy 1-0 win against an average Bournemouth side with comments along the lines of 'where are the Pulis haters now' is meaningless as they are still here with the exact same opinions they had before kick off.

It's great we won on Saturday and no matter how depressing it is for me to read the first '3 down 37 to go' comments that have already started popping up of course it gives you some enthusiasm for the season. However that enthusiasm is diluted (and this isn't just Pulis fault but also a result of how dominant the top 6/7 are now) by the fact we have absolutely nothing to play for already this season apart from hopefully avoiding a relegation battle. I know some think we may struggle this season and some others think that staying up is an excellent achievement but personally I don't buy in to either of those. So I'm in a position where although a win will always bring a smile to face the results themselves mean very little to me, or at least a lot less than they have in previous years following us. As a result other factors become more important.

Which brings us back to Pulis whose only concern is the result, and to an extent as much as I hate watching it I can't blame him for that. Just as I can't blame the board for employing him no matter how much I hate him being here. I can also understand why some fans love him and why others will gladly tolerate him whilst we are a PL side as they care deeply about being in the premier league above all else. It's not an opinion I share but one I can see and I won't argue with someone who says they like having him here.

What I will contest is that we will ever look to progress from where we are now, to evolve and improve the style of play and that if we give him more money/time to bring in better players the results/style will improve. This is not fact and nobody can say for certain that will/will not happen but literally everything in his career to date shows that he can spend £5m or £50m with a newly promoted club or established PL team and the results and methods will always be the same. It's part of the reason I don want Gibson for £25m because in our set up I think a £5m big strong CB will help us achieve the same results as Gibson would.

As others have said, if we had lost 1-0 on Saturday with the same performance it would have gone down as another 'classic Pulis' loss and likely be the 'aniti' Pulis lot on here asking where the pro Pulis group were. As we instead won the game to some of the pro Pulis it's an example of why he is fine/good/great and everyone should like him but as I'm trying to explain that has never been the issue.

I also think our performances in general have been so bad as a whole hat anytime we are not eye bleedingly bad its exaggerated in to 'we played pretty well today' and any time we play ok it's 'we were really good today'. I've seen quite a few comments on how we could have 3 or 4 against Bournemouth and many similar comments most weeks we win/draw. It doesn't work like that and it's literally looking at any decent chance we have and hyping it up. In reality we have 3 or 4 chances we could have scored from, which is an absolute world away from we could have 3 or 4. By that logic United should have beaten West Ham 11-0 and City put 9 past Brighton.

So it's a good win against a side we should be beating 6/7 times out of 10 at home. Nobody is ever going to be devastated about winning the opening game of the season. But to expect it to change peoples opinions on Pulis is like expecting Pulis himself to change.

An interesting post.

Firstly, I think that quite a few managers are only concerned with the result, not just Pulis. Mourinho is a good example of this, a lot of his football is unwatcheable at times, but of course he has the big money behind him to buy the big players, something we are/cannot do at present.

I disagree that we have absolutely nothing to play for. There are two cup competitions for starters, and it would be nice if we as a club could actually have some success in them. Our poor cup showings go well before TP joined the club, so it is unfair to lay this at his door. For me the next step is to be as good as Everton were last season. I know that at one point we were 3 points behind them, but even then we knew they had some class about them. So for me I am looking at a couple of signings that improve and strengthen our overall squad. It would be nice to worry the top 7 and have a few decent results along the way. This year is a big year for the owners of the club and TP. We will all know where we stand at the end of the season.

I am not looking into the Bournemouth result and taking too much from it; we caught them cold, but they will improve and be up there. EH is a good manager and will learn from the game.

We could play like we did from November to February last season and there will still be folk on here not happy - as you say there is another 24 months of this thread to go at least  ???

Such fun
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on August 14, 2017, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: albion59 on August 13, 2017, 10:52:56 PM
Well I'm bored! Didn't hear anyone in the brummy sing his name, and didn't hear it from anywhere else either.
hopefully stays that way worse song in football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 14, 2017, 01:35:03 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on August 14, 2017, 12:30:45 PM
Really looking forward to another 24 months of this debate   :D

2.5 years in now and it still wont sink in with some why others have an issue with Pulis.

Largely speaking the results have not been why people have a problem with Pulis. So coming on after a scrappy 1-0 win against an average Bournemouth side with comments along the lines of 'where are the Pulis haters now' is meaningless as they are still here with the exact same opinions they had before kick off.

It's great we won on Saturday and no matter how depressing it is for me to read the first '3 down 37 to go' comments that have already started popping up of course it gives you some enthusiasm for the season. However that enthusiasm is diluted (and this isn't just Pulis fault but also a result of how dominant the top 6/7 are now) by the fact we have absolutely nothing to play for already this season apart from hopefully avoiding a relegation battle. I know some think we may struggle this season and some others think that staying up is an excellent achievement but personally I don't buy in to either of those. So I'm in a position where although a win will always bring a smile to face the results themselves mean very little to me, or at least a lot less than they have in previous years following us. As a result other factors become more important.

Which brings us back to Pulis whose only concern is the result, and to an extent as much as I hate watching it I can't blame him for that. Just as I can't blame the board for employing him no matter how much I hate him being here. I can also understand why some fans love him and why others will gladly tolerate him whilst we are a PL side as they care deeply about being in the premier league above all else. It's not an opinion I share but one I can see and I won't argue with someone who says they like having him here.

What I will contest is that we will ever look to progress from where we are now, to evolve and improve the style of play and that if we give him more money/time to bring in better players the results/style will improve. This is not fact and nobody can say for certain that will/will not happen but literally everything in his career to date shows that he can spend £5m or £50m with a newly promoted club or established PL team and the results and methods will always be the same. It's part of the reason I don want Gibson for £25m because in our set up I think a £5m big strong CB will help us achieve the same results as Gibson would.

As others have said, if we had lost 1-0 on Saturday with the same performance it would have gone down as another 'classic Pulis' loss and likely be the 'aniti' Pulis lot on here asking where the pro Pulis group were. As we instead won the game to some of the pro Pulis it's an example of why he is fine/good/great and everyone should like him but as I'm trying to explain that has never been the issue.

I also think our performances in general have been so bad as a whole hat anytime we are not eye bleedingly bad its exaggerated in to 'we played pretty well today' and any time we play ok it's 'we were really good today'. I've seen quite a few comments on how we could have 3 or 4 against Bournemouth and many similar comments most weeks we win/draw. It doesn't work like that and it's literally looking at any decent chance we have and hyping it up. In reality we have 3 or 4 chances we could have scored from, which is an absolute world away from we could have 3 or 4. By that logic United should have beaten West Ham 11-0 and City put 9 past Brighton.

So it's a good win against a side we should be beating 6/7 times out of 10 at home. Nobody is ever going to be devastated about winning the opening game of the season. But to expect it to change peoples opinions on Pulis is like expecting Pulis himself to change.

Cracking post.

Spot on with your reasons and assessment, hopefully the Pulis lovers can read this and try to understand why some have a differenT opinion to them and dislike Pulis.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on August 14, 2017, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on August 14, 2017, 12:30:45 PM
I also think our performances in general have been so bad as a whole hat anytime we are not eye bleedingly bad its exaggerated in to 'we played pretty well today' and any time we play ok it's 'we were really good today'. I've seen quite a few comments on how we could have 3 or 4 against Bournemouth and many similar comments most weeks we win/draw. It doesn't work like that and it's literally looking at any decent chance we have and hyping it up. In reality we have 3 or 4 chances we could have scored from, which is an absolute world away from we could have 3 or 4. By that logic United should have beaten West Ham 11-0 and City put 9 past Brighton.

Nail, hammer and head; could not agree more. We scored or just missed from three set pieces and Rodriquez had a couple of decent efforts, one at close range but tight angle and one great effort from the edge of the box which was a half-chance at best. Second half we shrunk into our box although Rondon then had an uncharacteristically great run and shot late on in a counter-attack (gutted he didn't square it to Harper). We probably should have got a second goal but hardly terrorised Begovic as the manager tried to imply in his post match interview.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 14, 2017, 01:57:20 PM
Great post Astle68.

I'd add that there's 'liking/loving Pulis' and there's 'appreciating Pulis' groups; of which I identify with the latter.

I doubt many Albion fans 'like' him. I doubt even fewer 'love' him. I think many people appreciate him. And they'd also swap him for attractive football that wins games in a heartbeat. There's a venn diagram that is almost entirely overlapping of people who appreciate Pulis and people who are clued up to exactly what the problems are at this club. Obviously grass seems greener on the other side but as I've said before, better managers with more attacking minded tactics would walk this team to relegation. There's zero indication that another manager would be backed better than Pulis, or that them being more willing to look abroad would benefit us - it's pure speculation.

My main gripe and the thing I really can't support Pulis with is our performances in cups. Cups aren't won by playing fancy football, they're won by winning games and getting results; supposedly his bread and butter. You can win the FA Cup with every round being won on penalties after a replay if you like, it's better than losing 6-5 in the third round and enjoying a single game but being knocked out. Clubs have won trophies and been relegated/struggled in the league. Chelsea won the CL by parking the bus and snatching wins, they wouldn't give up that trophy to try and win it again playing lovely football.

Nobody here wants the club to struggle - bar the idiots who say 'I'd take relegation to get rid of Pulis'. This association with unattractive football = struggling needs to end. Sometimes trying to defend a lead wins you a game, you need only ask Morrison why he punched Berahino about that one. We also need to be more grounded as a fan base (and that not being misinterpreted as a lack of ambition). The foundation of our approach has to be 'win games'. Everything else can be built on that. If you can't win games, you don't get points for style. Nobody would be happy if we played beautiful football but lost every game. Absolutely you can play nice football and win. But if you have to pick one, it's win. I'm a miserable sod on a Saturday evening if we've lost, and no amount of 'well that was a lovely step over' can replace 3 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 14, 2017, 01:57:48 PM
A cracking post there Astle1968, loads of good points.

On the flipside to the 'Pulis Lovers' though, i think there some Pulis haters who no matter what he does will say its rubbish because its Tony Pulis.

Personally i dont want him to go as per previous posts, for first time in a while we have a manager who is here for longer than a couple of years, but i also wouldnt be devastated if he walked out tomorrow.

There are a number of things i have concerns about with Pulis but to me on saturday, the first half i enjoyed, we counter attacked with pace, created chances and i felt that was entertaining.

Yes we didnt have a lot of possession but personally i think people get obsessed by that, Bournemouth spent all afternoon going side to side with nice 5 yard passes that built there stats up but had no impact whatsover.

If i was new to football and looking for a team to support based on saturdays game and saturday alone i would go for Albion as we were more entertaining and threatening that Bournemouth.

That said its one game, and we all know we possibly have a everyone behind the ball and hoof it type performance against Burnley.

It shows the difference of opinion in football, on Saturday a couple of times we switched play with direct cross field passes, it got us on the attack, the two lads sat behind me just kept saying back to hoofball from Pulis, but i think thats a bit lazy comment, i think a hoof ball is one where its hit to no mans land and you chase it (and we have plenty of those up our sleeves)

I would be keen to know as an example (not to cause a row!) based on the last couple of seasons, if you could get us playing like any other premier league club outside the top 6 or 7 who would it be?

In recent years the most entertaining team i have seen outside those 6 or 7 is Leicester of two seasons ago and i think we are a poorer version of those. I remember bournemouth playing us a couple of years ago (think it was when i Mclean and Rondon got sent off) and i remember watching them thinking they were quality how they passed and moved and attacked yet since then they seem to of stopped doing that and realised that you need a bit more backbone too.

Out other clubs, Southampton and Watford fans complained how boring their football was, Palace had Allardyce, nearest thing to Pulis you can get, now this season they all have new foreign managers and it may turn out to be very entertaining time will tell. West Ham went backwards last year, Burnley are hard working and efficient, not dissimilar to us, Stoke City does not seem a happy place in recent years.

I think technique wise we have better players than last year, and you would hope between now and the end of the window we would add more of the same, i would rather sign 2 or 3 quality players than 5 or 6 squad fillers, so based on the last 12 months i think Pulis now has a chance to use that quality to keep the ball better but i still think and sort of hope we adopt a similar approach to how we did first half saturday because that to me is entertaining and effect football, 40 passes sideways and backward doesnt get me off my seat, 2 or 3 fast attacking clinical passes does.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 14, 2017, 02:01:51 PM
I've always said that the Pulis haters won't appreciate him until he's gone. The next manager would have some very big shoes to fill and I have my doubts that we would replace him well. Anyway hopefully that time is far away because I think TP will be here for at least the next five years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 14, 2017, 02:11:27 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on August 14, 2017, 01:57:48 PM
A cracking post there Astle1968, loads of good points.

On the flipside to the 'Pulis Lovers' though, i think there some Pulis haters who no matter what he does will say its rubbish because its Tony Pulis.

Personally i dont want him to go as per previous posts, for first time in a while we have a manager who is here for longer than a couple of years, but i also wouldnt be devastated if he walked out tomorrow.

There are a number of things i have concerns about with Pulis but to me on saturday, the first half i enjoyed, we counter attacked with pace, created chances and i felt that was entertaining.

Yes we didnt have a lot of possession but personally i think people get obsessed by that, Bournemouth spent all afternoon going side to side with nice 5 yard passes that built there stats up but had no impact whatsover.

If i was new to football and looking for a team to support based on saturdays game and saturday alone i would go for Albion as we were more entertaining and threatening that Bournemouth.

That said its one game, and we all know we possibly have a everyone behind the ball and hoof it type performance against Burnley.

It shows the difference of opinion in football, on Saturday a couple of times we switched play with direct cross field passes, it got us on the attack, the two lads sat behind me just kept saying back to hoofball from Pulis, but i think thats a bit lazy comment, i think a hoof ball is one where its hit to no mans land and you chase it (and we have plenty of those up our sleeves)

I would be keen to know as an example (not to cause a row!) based on the last couple of seasons, if you could get us playing like any other premier league club outside the top 6 or 7 who would it be?

In recent years the most entertaining team i have seen outside those 6 or 7 is Leicester of two seasons ago and i think we are a poorer version of those. I remember bournemouth playing us a couple of years ago (think it was when i Mclean and Rondon got sent off) and i remember watching them thinking they were quality how they passed and moved and attacked yet since then they seem to of stopped doing that and realised that you need a bit more backbone too.

Out other clubs, Southampton and Watford fans complained how boring their football was, Palace had Allardyce, nearest thing to Pulis you can get, now this season they all have new foreign managers and it may turn out to be very entertaining time will tell. West Ham went backwards last year, Burnley are hard working and efficient, not dissimilar to us, Stoke City does not seem a happy place in recent years.

I think technique wise we have better players than last year, and you would hope between now and the end of the window we would add more of the same, i would rather sign 2 or 3 quality players than 5 or 6 squad fillers, so based on the last 12 months i think Pulis now has a chance to use that quality to keep the ball better but i still think and sort of hope we adopt a similar approach to how we did first half saturday because that to me is entertaining and effect football, 40 passes sideways and backward doesnt get me off my seat, 2 or 3 fast attacking clinical passes does.

Good post - especially the part about other teams.

Most pre-seasons there's a vocal section of support that say 'I'm jealous of ______, they've bought ______ and they play nice football.' Swansea, Bournemouth, Palace, Stoke, even Villa have all had this said about them. And what have all of them done? Got worse. They'll have a strong season or two, then can't maintain it and push on. Swansea were the epitome of the fighting underdog that played good football people here were jealous of. Then their squads were decimated and pulled apart by the big boys (look at Leicester without Kante, Southampton after Liverpool come sniffing every July for their players). Every year they need to take a gamble and buy an unknown or promote some youngster to get back to where they were. Our transfer dealings are mostly awful as it stands, I wouldn't want to have to try and replace half our team every July.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 14, 2017, 02:55:06 PM
Echo others when I say cracking post by Astle and really explains it better than I can.

We beat Bournmouth which is fine as obviously I don't want us to be relegated and doubt we will under Pulis in charge. The squad is also too strong on paper to finish bottom 3.

As there is a small chance of relegation and almost 0 chance of winning the league or finishing top four this means that for me by far the biggest game of the season so far will be Accrington Stanley away on 22nd August

If we 1-0 scrap our way to a cup final or semi final I will be the first one singing his praises.

However, get dumped out again in the first round like last year? Well then thats almost 1/2 our season already over.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on August 14, 2017, 03:10:12 PM
Im not going to agree with a part of Astle1968's post.

Yes a 5m centre back might do the same job under Pulis as a 25m one but what happens when Pulis is gone, we are then left with a Centre back who isnt as good as the one we could have bought.

If we can sign players that will improve us and will also be invaluable to A.Nother manager then we should be signing them for the future either way.

Im in the appreciate Pulis group, dont love him at all just appreciate the job he does.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 14, 2017, 03:26:00 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 14, 2017, 02:01:51 PM
I've always said that the Pulis haters won't appreciate him until he's gone. The next manager would have some very big shoes to fill and I have my doubts that we would replace him well. Anyway hopefully that time is far away because I think TP will be here for at least the next five years.

I wish it was 10 years..
Best thing to happen to this club since Roy and the same haters who didn't like him are the same TP haters..ah well..let's hope they stay at home and watch via their Kodi.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 14, 2017, 03:31:58 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 14, 2017, 03:26:00 PM
I wish it was 10 years..
Best thing to happen to this club since Roy and the same haters who didn't like him are the same TP haters..ah well..let's hope they stay at home and watch via their Kodi.

At least get the facts correct. I loved Roy  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 14, 2017, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 14, 2017, 03:26:00 PM
I wish it was 10 years..
Best thing to happen to this club since Roy and the same haters who didn't like him are the same TP haters..ah well..let's hope they stay at home and watch via their Kodi.

With their Mowbray masks on.  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 14, 2017, 04:21:38 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 14, 2017, 03:26:00 PM
I wish it was 10 years..
Best thing to happen to this club since Roy and the same haters who didn't like him are the same TP haters..ah well..let's hope they stay at home and watch via their Kodi.

I also loved Roy, so get your facts in order.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on August 14, 2017, 05:42:46 PM
Any one else concerned that we're going to end up signing 36 year old Barry and jettisoning Field, Harper, Leko etc out to the championship? If Field is the most gifted footballer that Pulis has come across at his age and he's 19 then why isn't he in and around the team all season rather than being sent out on loan? Rooney was sold to Utd when he was 18! Rather see Harper off the bench as well rather than a oap like Barry etc. No point producing this young players if we can't give them a chance to establish themselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on August 14, 2017, 06:00:02 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 14, 2017, 03:26:00 PM
I wish it was 10 years..
Best thing to happen to this club since Roy and the same haters who didn't like him are the same TP haters..ah well..let's hope they stay at home and watch via their Kodi.

I loved Roy and have got a season ticket even though I don't want TP so wind your neck in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 14, 2017, 06:46:19 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on August 14, 2017, 04:21:38 PM
I also loved Roy, so get your facts in order.


Oh dear...This must be someone else then on 20/Jan/ 2012.  Best to check your previous posts ...Is this post you made Ashdoy "fact" ?:-)))
...and this when RH was getting us to 10th, ..tut tut....Not much lurve here for RH from you!!!
Ash wrote........
, id get RH out. Hes outdated, and like a brilliant post previous on this topic, his football is not modern, modern football, is based upon exposing the opponents. We simply play a rigid style, with a boring motion. TERRIBLE!

Blind Faith in RH simply because of his CV. But you are only as good as your last game IMO. Id go for Paul Lambert myself, or possibly even get Mowbray back?

Imagine Mowbray with this team ... now that would be special!
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Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 14, 2017, 07:47:43 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 14, 2017, 06:46:19 PM

Oh dear...This must be someone else then on 20/Jan/ 2012.  Best to check your previous posts ...Is this post you made Ashdoy "fact" ?:-)))
...and this when RH was getting us to 10th, ..tut tut....Not much lurve here for RH from you!!!
Ash wrote........
, id get RH out. Hes outdated, and like a brilliant post previous on this topic, his football is not modern, modern football, is based upon exposing the opponents. We simply play a rigid style, with a boring motion. TERRIBLE!

Blind Faith in RH simply because of his CV. But you are only as good as your last game IMO. Id go for Paul Lambert myself, or possibly even get Mowbray back?

Imagine Mowbray with this team ... now that would be special!
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Haha. Their are a lot of rose tinted glasses on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on August 14, 2017, 08:13:58 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on August 14, 2017, 03:10:12 PM
Im not going to agree with a part of Astle1968's post.

Yes a 5m centre back might do the same job under Pulis as a 25m one but what happens when Pulis is gone, we are then left with a Centre back who isnt as good as the one we could have bought.

If we can sign players that will improve us and will also be invaluable to A.Nother manager then we should be signing them for the future either way.

Im in the appreciate Pulis group, dont love him at all just appreciate the job he does.

I agree to an extent, but what if the £25m centre back doesn't fit in the new managers plans either? Surely it's better to just give that money to the new manager to decide who he does or doesn't want.

Pulis is not quite alone in his methods but it's fair to say most managers would want to employ a different style whoever that man may be. This is partly why I prefer a DoF model that we used to run where in theory at least the incoming manager would want to tweak our squad rather than make wholesale changes. With the current set up where it seems Pulis pretty much has the final say on every player we can only really sign players that suit him here and now rather than worry about what the next guy may or may not want.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on August 14, 2017, 08:23:46 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on August 14, 2017, 05:42:46 PM
Any one else concerned that we're going to end up signing 36 year old Barry and jettisoning Field, Harper, Leko etc out to the championship? If Field is the most gifted footballer that Pulis has come across at his age and he's 19 then why isn't he in and around the team all season rather than being sent out on loan? Rooney was sold to Utd when he was 18! Rather see Harper off the bench as well rather than a oap like Barry etc. No point producing this young players if we can't give them a chance to establish themselves.

I have to say I've never quite seen the fuss about Field yet. If you look at the number of players aged U21 who actually get any minutes in the let alone teenagers who play he clearly has something about him and the comments from many at the club suggest he's got a chance. I appreciate he's not as eye catching as someone like Leko in what he does, and I'm absolute not writing him off at all as I say he's clearly decent to be around a 1st team PL squad at his age. I've just not quite seen him do anything of note at all yet.

Regardless of that I'd still rather see Livermore/Yacob/New signing used in that role with Field either 1st or 2nd choice backup rather than Barry bought in. If we do bring in Barry I would hope it would be on no more than a 1 year deal and simply to allow us to loan Field out for a full season of Championship football if we think that would aid his development further.

I'd also guess Barry would actually turn out to be a half decent signing for us in this set up. Think he's got more to offer than Fletcher did and as much as I wish our system didn't allow players like Barry to flourish whilst players like Chadli suffer in reality if we are going to have Pulis for at least another 2 years and want results Barry wouldn't be the worst signing in the world.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 14, 2017, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on August 14, 2017, 12:30:45 PM
It's part of the reason I don want Gibson for £25m because in our set up I think a £5m big strong CB will help us achieve the same results as Gibson would.

Totally disagree. I don't want Gibson because I don't think he justifies the money personally. That aside. Basing this argument on the player of £25m being the quality of Evans and the player of £5m being the quality of McAuley I am at a loss as to why you wouldn't want someone alongside Evans equal to his ability. Makes our defence that much stronger again.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 14, 2017, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 14, 2017, 06:46:19 PM

Oh dear...This must be someone else then on 20/Jan/ 2012.  Best to check your previous posts ...Is this post you made Ashdoy "fact" ?:-)))
...and this when RH was getting us to 10th, ..tut tut....Not much lurve here for RH from you!!!
Ash wrote........
, id get RH out. Hes outdated, and like a brilliant post previous on this topic, his football is not modern, modern football, is based upon exposing the opponents. We simply play a rigid style, with a boring motion. TERRIBLE!

Blind Faith in RH simply because of his CV. But you are only as good as your last game IMO. Id go for Paul Lambert myself, or possibly even get Mowbray back?

Imagine Mowbray with this team ... now that would be special!
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yes, can't argue there, that's some top researching.

Good luck finding any such evidence on me...just don't check my basement, ooh err.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 14, 2017, 09:34:53 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40929125

He wants players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 14, 2017, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 14, 2017, 09:34:53 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40929125

He wants players.

Players...or geriatrics?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on August 14, 2017, 11:25:46 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 14, 2017, 09:34:53 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40929125

He wants players.

Moans that the squad age is too high. Then in the same breath goes on to moan that we need more experience. Then signs Gareth Barry.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on August 15, 2017, 06:00:20 AM
I remember many years ago going to a football forum at the old supporters club on Halfords lane. Tom Ross was hosting the forum and at the time Bolton under Allardyce were spending lots more money than us on players. I complained to Tom about this saying look at Bolton spending all this money compared to us. His reply to has stuck with me. “Well go and support Bolton then”. I was initially a little annoyed by his reply but eventually realised he had a point, to stop moaning and support your club. Albion are my team, are the club I love, that get me up at 3.00 am in the morning when I’m abroad to watch them play. Yes I would love us to be one of the top 7, but we are not and probably never will be. Yes I would love to see us play like Liverpool or Spurs. Look at the sides like us financially who play the way many   they would like to see us play like Southampton. Their fans are complaining at the lack of goals. Bournmouth on Saturday passed it around all afternoon and to be honest with their lack of threat on goal I found their play boring.
There was an interesting discussion last night on five live regarding Crystal Palace. Their new manager Frank de Boer wants to play the Ajax way, asking players with a different DNA, to pass out from the back. Their forwards Townsend, Zaha and Benteke having been used to having the ball up to them as quickly as possible. Apparently they looked awkward and unsuited to playing this way and lost heavily to Huddersfield as a consequence. (By the way I think we might have missed a trick with Mounie he looked good for Huddersfield someone we had been allegedly linked with). My point is changing our club to play so called more attractive football isn’t in my opinion as easy as people think. If we had better players I think we would play more appealing winning football but still in the defensive counter attacking style of Pulis. JRod has shown how much better we look in the final third with a more skillful player than Rondon. Slowly we are getting better players to fit the Pulis way and I predict the longer that continues the happier many will be with the play and the results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 15, 2017, 06:12:00 AM
Quote from: bry on August 15, 2017, 06:00:20 AM
I remember many years ago going to a football forum at the old supporters club on Halfords lane. Tom Ross was hosting the forum and at the time Bolton under Allardyce were spending lots more money than us on players. I complained to Tom about this saying look at Bolton spending all this money compared to us. His reply to has stuck with me. “Well go and support Bolton then”. I was initially a little annoyed by his reply but eventually realised he had a point, to stop moaning and support your club. Albion are my team, are the club I love, that get me up at 3.00 am in the morning when I’m abroad to watch them play. Yes I would love us to be one of the top 7, but we are not and probably never will be. Yes I would love to see us play like Liverpool or Spurs. Look at the sides like us financially who play the way many   they would like to see us play like Southampton. Their fans are complaining at the lack of goals. Bournmouth on Saturday passed it around all afternoon and to be honest with their lack of threat on goal I found their play boring.
There was an interesting discussion last night on five live regarding Crystal Palace. Their new manager Frank de Boer wants to play the Ajax way, asking players with a different DNA, to pass out from the back. Their forwards Townsend, Zaha and Benteke having been used to having the ball up to them as quickly as possible. Apparently they looked awkward and unsuited to playing this way and lost heavily to Huddersfield as a consequence. (By the way I think we might have missed a trick with Mounie he looked good for Huddersfield someone we had been allegedly linked with). My point is changing our club to play so called more attractive football isn’t in my opinion as easy as people think. If we had better players I think we would play more appealing winning football but still in the defensive counter attacking style of Pulis. JRod has shown how much better we look in the final third with a more skillful player than Rondon. Slowly we are getting better players to fit the Pulis way and I predict the longer that continues the happier many will be with the play and the results.
Good post Bry, makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 15, 2017, 10:46:35 AM
I have said this before but how long was it before we started playing like a Pulis team, a week? Two at most?

It would not take long to switch the mentality (though I would say whilst we are winning and appear to be having a go let's just enjoy it).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 15, 2017, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on August 14, 2017, 09:32:48 PM
Ukar must work for our 'Monitoring/Stalking Department'  ;) .

Ridiculous.

He traces back to a time when we were on a slipper slope, pretty sure if he checks the whole thread he will see the posts from me and others clearly mention we dont want Hodgson sacked...

Moving to 2017 though, Pulis has been here long enough for me to know points will never be a problem under him, but the style is exhausting. The most boring form of entertainment within the football industry is served up by him in my opinion (yes Ukar, we are allowed one!)

I dont want to watch this every week, and for the first time in 20 seasons i will be picking and choosing games (even with a ST) purely down to the fact i cant be arsed to be leave a ground bored, regardless of the result.

Saturday we won, but as others have mentioned, we didnt exactly play them off the park and having 29% of the ball in my terms is not what i want to see week in week out.

Again, sorry Ukar for having an opinion  :P

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 15, 2017, 11:24:52 AM
As much as i would like to see us keep the ball better i am not fussed about 70 or 80% possession if you do nothing with it.

Under Mowbray in the premier league we passed most teams off the pitch every week and got relegated, now i know we have had some shocking performances under Pulis and only will tell if it was a one off, but if the first half saturday was the sign of things to come this season then i am more than happy with that.

We made use our passes, played some decent attacking football and created chances, that to me is good entertaining football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 15, 2017, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on August 15, 2017, 11:18:42 AM
Ridiculous.

He traces back to a time when we were on a slipper slope, pretty sure if he checks the whole thread he will see the posts from me and others clearly mention we dont want Hodgson sacked...

Moving to 2017 though, Pulis has been here long enough for me to know points will never be a problem under him, but the style is exhausting. The most boring form of entertainment within the football industry is served up by him in my opinion (yes Ukar, we are allowed one!)

I dont want to watch this every week, and for the first time in 20 seasons i will be picking and choosing games (even with a ST) purely down to the fact i cant be arsed to be leave a ground bored, regardless of the result.

Saturday we won, but as others have mentioned, we didnt exactly play them off the park and having 29% of the ball in my terms is not what i want to see week in week out.

Again, sorry Ukar for having an opinion  :P

You don't want to see us win week in week out? Or does it not count if we only get 29% possession?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on August 15, 2017, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: bry on August 15, 2017, 06:00:20 AM
I remember many years ago going to a football forum at the old supporters club on Halfords lane. Tom Ross was hosting the forum and at the time Bolton under Allardyce were spending lots more money than us on players. I complained to Tom about this saying look at Bolton spending all this money compared to us. His reply to has stuck with me. “Well go and support Bolton then”. I was initially a little annoyed by his reply but eventually realised he had a point, to stop moaning and support your club. Albion are my team, are the club I love, that get me up at 3.00 am in the morning when I’m abroad to watch them play. Yes I would love us to be one of the top 7, but we are not and probably never will be. Yes I would love to see us play like Liverpool or Spurs. Look at the sides like us financially who play the way many   they would like to see us play like Southampton. Their fans are complaining at the lack of goals. Bournmouth on Saturday passed it around all afternoon and to be honest with their lack of threat on goal I found their play boring.
There was an interesting discussion last night on five live regarding Crystal Palace. Their new manager Frank de Boer wants to play the Ajax way, asking players with a different DNA, to pass out from the back. Their forwards Townsend, Zaha and Benteke having been used to having the ball up to them as quickly as possible. Apparently they looked awkward and unsuited to playing this way and lost heavily to Huddersfield as a consequence. (By the way I think we might have missed a trick with Mounie he looked good for Huddersfield someone we had been allegedly linked with). My point is changing our club to play so called more attractive football isn’t in my opinion as easy as people think. If we had better players I think we would play more appealing winning football but still in the defensive counter attacking style of Pulis. JRod has shown how much better we look in the final third with a more skillful player than Rondon. Slowly we are getting better players to fit the Pulis way and I predict the longer that continues the happier many will be with the play and the results.

Good post that, bry
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 16, 2017, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on August 14, 2017, 03:31:58 PM
At least get the facts correct. I loved Roy  8)

Quality of football was complained about under Roy as well wasn't it?  We certainly didn't play free flowing football.

To be fair Fitzl, you seem to be more balanced at the start of this season.  ;D 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 16, 2017, 01:37:08 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on August 16, 2017, 10:34:47 AM
Quality of football was complained about under Roy as well wasn't it?  We certainly didn't play free flowing football.

To be fair Fitzl, you seem to be more balanced at the start of this season.  ;D

I felt that Roy was what we needed at the time as a newly promoted club that was headed down under RDM. Pulis at that time would also have been much the same, what we needed at that time.

Whether Roy would have kept the support had he not taken the England job and we had another season of well organised, functional football, we will never know. My gripe has only ever been that we are now 8  consecutive years a Premier League side and we are still playing the football of a newly promoted side, with no attempt made for us to impose ourselves on games, play a better brand of football whereby we rely on our own good play as opposed to a defensive lapse or a header from a set piece, bring in quality world-renowned players who will add to the quality of the side on the ball. Clubs coming up are showing more ambition than we are. I just feel we could be doing a lot more and don't see it happening under the current head coach.

We beat Bournemouth this week, but our tactic was basically to concede the game to them, hope that we were strong enough defensively not to concede and then hit them on the break to yield set pieces from which we had our best chance of scoring. We should be dominating an average Bournemouth side full of Championship players on our own patch.

Just my opinion of course, but if you want to know what I am looking for, that is it I guess. I do not subscribe to the possession is everything theory, because it clearly isn't, you need the cutting edge with it, but had Bournemouth scored on Saturday, as with most games where we go behind, I struggle to see where/how we come back in games because our only tactic is counter attacking, when teams are not pushing forward and attacking us, we have no answer. Just think why Leicester come here and destroy us every season, because they give us the ball and sit back knowing that we do not know what to do when in possession and Vardy picks us off each time. We have no answer to it.

Just my tenpenneth but I have accepted that TP is going nowhere so no point me continually moaning, I may as well look toward the positives and roll with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Canmore Baggie on August 16, 2017, 03:56:36 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on August 14, 2017, 05:42:46 PM
Any one else concerned that we're going to end up signing 36 year old Barry and jettisoning Field, Harper, Leko etc out to the championship? If Field is the most gifted footballer that Pulis has come across at his age and he's 19 then why isn't he in and around the team all season rather than being sent out on loan? Rooney was sold to Utd when he was 18! Rather see Harper off the bench as well rather than a oap like Barry etc. No point producing this young players if we can't give them a chance to establish themselves.

To me Field and Harper are great prospects but are desperately in need of serious game time to develop match fitness and professional nous. Barry coming in gives a great chance to send both out on loan to a Championship club that will play them. I would only loan them until Dec 31 though - gives them a few months of game time and would give us two 'new' players to pad the squad in the January window when injuries/suspensions take their toll. Also, as we have seen with Pulis teams there is a big decline in the last few games assuming we hit the 40-point mark, which would b a great time to play them wit more experience under their belts
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 16, 2017, 06:57:37 PM
Quote from: Canmore Baggie on August 16, 2017, 03:56:36 PM
To me Field and Harper are great prospects but are desperately in need of serious game time to develop match fitness and professional nous. Barry coming in gives a great chance to send both out on loan to a Championship club that will play them. I would only loan them until Dec 31 though - gives them a few months of game time and would give us two 'new' players to pad the squad in the January window when injuries/suspensions take their toll. Also, as we have seen with Pulis teams there is a big decline in the last few games assuming we hit the 40-point mark, which would b a great time to play them wit more experience under their belts
I agree with you an that.As long as they get game time should be back in the squad especially as you say once we get to 40.What is the point of the academy otherwise?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 16, 2017, 11:30:42 PM
Rekeem Harper is not going to get first team Championship football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2017, 11:57:48 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on August 16, 2017, 11:30:42 PM
Rekeem Harper is not going to get first team Championship football.


Already looks better than Field so presumably neither will.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 17, 2017, 12:58:44 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2017, 11:57:48 PM

Already looks better than Field so presumably neither will.

He needs to be playing week in week out preferably for a side who see a lot of the ball. Neither will get that in The Championship. George Thorne did but The Championship was an entirely different kettle of fish then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on August 19, 2017, 05:00:25 PM
Tony just aiming for another 2 year extension  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 19, 2017, 05:16:28 PM
TP will do for me.

2 wins, 2 clean sheets. 2nd in the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 19, 2017, 05:21:19 PM
Stopping the home team from having a shot on target, another clean sheet and 2nd in the league (i know i know its only august)

But what were the possession percentages? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 19, 2017, 06:14:29 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on August 19, 2017, 05:21:19 PM
Stopping the home team from having a shot on target, another clean sheet and 2nd in the league (i know i know its only august)

But what were the possession percentages? ;D ;D ;D
Ha Ha, looks like another quiet night on this thread.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Xpresso on August 19, 2017, 06:29:13 PM
Quote
There was an interesting discussion last night on five live regarding Crystal Palace. Their new manager Frank de Boer wants to play the Ajax way, asking players with a different DNA, to pass out from the back. Their forwards Townsend, Zaha and Benteke having been used to having the ball up to them as quickly as possible. Apparently they looked awkward and unsuited to playing this way and lost heavily to Huddersfield as a consequence. (By the way I think we might have missed a trick with Mounie he looked good for Huddersfield someone we had been allegedly linked with). My point is changing our club to play so called more attractive football isn’t in my opinion as easy as people think. If we had better players I think we would play more appealing winning football but still in the defensive counter attacking style of Pulis. JRod has shown how much better we look in the final third with a more skillful player than Rondon. Slowly we are getting better players to fit the Pulis way and I predict the longer that continues the happier many will be with the play and the results.

An interesting and thoughtful post, one which I wholeheartedly agree with. It highlights exactly what some people just don't understand. At the level at which we operate you have to get the best out of the players you have available. You do that by organisation and hard work, which Pulis is very good at. He has a system and if we play to it then it works.

I also find it boring to watch all these teams who pass the ball endlessly from one side of the pitch to another. We are trying to build a counter-attacking team but attracting the right players is proving difficult. But we'll get there if we just exercise a bit of patience and understanding.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 19, 2017, 07:12:52 PM
Wasn't expecting that, good start obviously.

I love Pulis

Sometimes do ride our luck though, but if he keeps Chadli (can we afford to lose him and Evans with the need for 5 signings already) and allows us to attack like we did mid-season last time round then maybe he can change my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 19, 2017, 07:51:22 PM
Job done for today. We should have been more expansive against Bournemouth, could have been a goal fest to bump the GD as they are awful, spanked at home by Watford today
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on August 20, 2017, 12:49:44 AM
Well done Tony, I don't know how you do it but you do and when it does work it's a fantastic day/feeling!!

Anyone who's not enjoyed these first two games probably needs to knock the Albion on the head and find something else to do.

Boing! Boing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 21, 2017, 12:30:54 PM
Fair play for winning the opening two games.  I'd still like to see us playing more like we did in the middle of last season though.  I fear that as soon as a result goes against us out comes the heavy criticism.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 21, 2017, 12:36:51 PM
As a TP critic, I applaud the results (obvs). Especially at a time when a significant proportion of the squad is unsettled. Still upset by the style and tactics but its difficult to argue with 6 points out of 6.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 21, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on August 21, 2017, 12:30:54 PM
Fair play for winning the opening two games.  I'd still like to see us playing more like we did in the middle of last season though.  I fear that as soon as a result goes against us out comes the heavy criticism.

No heavy criticism from me. I still have the same worries and qualms that I did before the season started, as soon as we concede the first goal we will have little or no chance of getting back in the game with the way TP sets us up, but it works fine while we are winning 1-0 scoring with our only shot on target as we did at the weekend. It goes against all I want to see from us, but as said earlier, not much you can argue about with 6 points from 6 and my priority will always be seeing the team I love winning, but nothing I have seen thus far allays my pre-existing worries and fears.

As with last season, all I would say to certain members on here is notice that I and others continue to post whilst results are going against our perceived 'agenda'. I do not doubt that if things turn around and our fears bear fruit and we aren't being clinical with the very few chances we create and the defence are struggling not to ship goals that a number of the members on here will go very quiet as they did last season. Practice what you preach and all that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wabooz on August 21, 2017, 12:55:36 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on August 19, 2017, 05:21:19 PM
Stopping the home team from having a shot on target, another clean sheet and 2nd in the league (i know i know its only august)

But what were the possession percentages? ;D ;D ;D


I'm not a huge TP critic, but I can't resist bringing this up.

"Stopping the home team from having a shot on target" - come off it. We didn't "stop" them, they missed a few sitters. The Walters chance springs to mind and they had another header, I think earlier on, where nobody has any idea how he put it wide.

We got very lucky and Burnley shot themselves in the foot. I know that happens, that's football and it's the result that matters - but lets not pretend like we have put up an iron defensive wall that's going to grind out many a victory. We're not a good side currently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 21, 2017, 01:01:16 PM
Ahh! the famous TP force field.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on August 21, 2017, 01:02:43 PM
Quote from: Albionic on August 21, 2017, 12:36:51 PM
As a TP critic, I applaud the results (obvs). Especially at a time when a significant proportion of the squad is unsettled. Still upset by the style and tactics but its difficult to argue with 6 points out of 6.

Fair point. I like to look at the other fan sites after our games to see what their take is. To date Bournemouth thought they were bad and we had the measure of them, and Burnley thought that once again TP had out thought SD and done a number on them...... we complain about our style and they complain because they have serious concerns over the way their teams are set up/playing etc.

You never know, TP may get some credit one day  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 21, 2017, 01:15:18 PM
I'm not enamoured by the football we play. However I do feel that we need a stable relationship between the new owners and our manager for about 3 seasons so everything has had time to settle in and bed down before the owners really need to make some serious decisions. It will be better for us as a club in the long run.
As much as the football can be frustrating TP really is the stability we need as we move forward in a new era.
He may not be the man to carry us too far forward from where we are now but you know what you are getting from him!
Boing Boing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 21, 2017, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on August 21, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
As with last season, all I would say to certain members on here is notice that I and others continue to post whilst results are going against our perceived 'agenda'. I do not doubt that if things turn around and our fears bear fruit and we aren't being clinical with the very few chances we create and the defence are struggling not to ship goals that a number of the members on here will go very quiet as they did last season. Practice what you preach and all that

I will be shot down once we lose and i get #PulisOut trending  :D

But as others have mentioned, as for the Everton game a couple of seasons back, sometimes these results are as much down to luck as they are tactics.

But 6 from 6, i am enjoying that stat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 21, 2017, 01:47:25 PM
Quote from: wabooz on August 21, 2017, 12:55:36 PM

I'm not a huge TP critic, but I can't resist bringing this up.

"Stopping the home team from having a shot on target" - come off it. We didn't "stop" them, they missed a few sitters. The Walters chance springs to mind and they had another header, I think earlier on, where nobody has any idea how he put it wide.

We got very lucky and Burnley shot themselves in the foot. I know that happens, that's football and it's the result that matters - but lets not pretend like we have put up an iron defensive wall that's going to grind out many a victory. We're not a good side currently.

Ben Mee, absolute sitter he put wide
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 21, 2017, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on August 21, 2017, 01:47:25 PM
Ben Mee, absolute sitter he put wide

Sometimes you ride your luck though and the penny drops and we can celebrate a victory, so im happy on that one.

As i have mentioned before, getting the points tally to 40 has never been a problem for Pulis and i dont expect that to change this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 21, 2017, 02:42:13 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on August 21, 2017, 02:39:53 PM
Sometimes you ride your luck though and the penny drops and we can celebrate a victory, so im happy on that one.

As i have mentioned before, getting the points tally to 40 has never been a problem for Pulis and i dont expect that to change this season.

Of course, people miss chances, Yacob sent that one wide against Bournemouth when it was harder to miss. I think the issue is more if that had gone in and we found ourselves a goal down, the way we set up makes it difficult for us to create clear cut chances to get back in the game, other than with our set pieces.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 21, 2017, 03:59:14 PM
Quote from: Bigrob80 on August 21, 2017, 01:15:18 PM
I'm not enamoured by the football we play. However I do feel that we need a stable relationship between the new owners and our manager for about 3 seasons so everything has had time to settle in and bed down before the owners really need to make some serious decisions. It will be better for us as a club in the long run.
As much as the football can be frustrating TP really is the stability we need as we move forward in a new era.
He may not be the man to carry us too far forward from where we are now but you know what you are getting from him!
Boing Boing!

Conversely, I worry that the longer he remains, his "style" "culture" "squad" become ingrained in our club, (Stoke are still playing with a half Pulis team 4? seasons on.) 
A new manager will have a massive job unpicking the straight jacket TP will have left the club in.

Stability leads to inertia and in this game inertia will kill you, as there will be plenty of others striving to overtake you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 21, 2017, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: Albionic on August 21, 2017, 03:59:14 PM
Conversely, I worry that the longer he remains, his "style" "culture" "squad" become ingrained in our club, (Stoke are still playing with a half Pulis team 4? seasons on.) 
A new manager will have a massive job unpicking the straight jacket TP will have left the club in.

Stability leads to inertia and in this game inertia will kill you, as there will be plenty of others striving to overtake you.

Surely that's a good thing. Pulis has made us a good, effective and well organised team who are bloody hard to beat. He's always stated that he likes to leaves club better than he found them and I think that will be the case at Albion. What we don't want is some numpty to come here and undo all the good work Pulis has done where it only needs a little bit of tweaking maybe rather than an overhaul.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 21, 2017, 06:26:21 PM
Quote from: Albionic on August 21, 2017, 03:59:14 PM
Conversely, I worry that the longer he remains, his "style" "culture" "squad" become ingrained in our club, (Stoke are still playing with a half Pulis team 4? seasons on.) 
A new manager will have a massive job unpicking the straight jacket TP will have left the club in.

Stability leads to inertia and in this game inertia will kill you, as there will be plenty of others striving to overtake you.

I hear what your saying Albionic but 2 or 3 seasons of stable results/ plodding football is surely better than let's say a Blackburn or Cardiff city situation.
We can't complain too much if we get another top ten finish.
It lets the new guys get a good handle on it before shaking it up too much 👍🏻
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on August 21, 2017, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 21, 2017, 05:26:31 PM
Surely that's a good thing. Pulis has made us a good, effective and well organised team who are bloody hard to beat. He's always stated that he likes to leaves club better than he found them and I think that will be the case at Albion. What we don't want is some numpty to come here and undo all the good work Pulis has done where it only needs a little bit of tweaking maybe rather than an overhaul.
What? We ain't good, and hard to beat? We won one in twelve until the start of the season!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 21, 2017, 06:56:51 PM
Quote from: albion59 on August 21, 2017, 06:29:44 PM
What? We ain't good, and hard to beat? We won one in twelve until the start of the season!!

You mean the season we spent the majority of in the top 8? Yeah load of rubbish.  :-[

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on August 21, 2017, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 21, 2017, 06:56:51 PM
You mean the season we spent the majority of in the top 8? Yeah load of rubbish.  :-[
Yes mate that season, still only won one in twelve, no matter how you dress it up. And yes it is a load of rubbish!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 22, 2017, 10:27:33 AM
I don't think I'll bother to even try and read this site if we end up in trouble.

There's too much suicide in the world as it is and life's precious  :-X .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on August 22, 2017, 11:04:12 AM
Quote from: albion59 on August 21, 2017, 11:43:02 PM
Yes mate that season, still only won one in twelve, no matter how you dress it up. And yes it is a load of rubbish!!

Yeah thing is though you're taking 1 out of 12 out of context, injuries, 40 point mark etc. Not excusing it and neither would TP but do we base judgments on the last 2/3 months of a season, or the keyword being the whole season? We are overacheivers pure and simple, I think to be honest our expectations of some fans for a club our side are unrealistic. We don't have the pulling factor of London and we're not a big club with a big stadium so it's easy to see the lure of teams like palace and watford  (even though I don't believe them to be a "bigger club") over a team like west brom. That's where I think we are disadvantaged in terms of recruitment straight away regardless of pulis specific requirements. We really are punching above our weights consistently, I don't understand how fickle and unrealistic our fans can be. We'd all love to splash cash and expand the stadium and get Albion into a worldwide brand (which with the eco cities and Chinese link we're slowly laying the foundation's to improve our brand awareness). However we don't have the fanbase or revenue to do this, we have a high wage%/turnover as it is and only are capable of doing this  and competing in the premier league due to the copious amounts of TV money that we absolutely rely on, it makes me laugh when people say they'd rather watch us in the championship. It wouldn't be the same as ten years ago when we were able to bounce back pretty much straight away, look at the villa. Really think we should start putting on a more united front and have a real look at the job TP is doing considering all factors and realise we ain't doing too bad at all (even though we're all in agreement we need more players - we don't want to buy any old rubbish like we have done in the past just to fill gaps)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 22, 2017, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: albion59 on August 21, 2017, 11:43:02 PM
Yes mate that season, still only won one in twelve, no matter how you dress it up. And yes it is a load of rubbish!!

So the games before that don't count? You are picking a statistic to suit your anti TP agenda when in reality last season was a success.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on August 22, 2017, 11:24:17 AM
Clarke was sacked based on a non-season set of match stats although the trend of last seasons plummet in form was clearly related to having achieved the 40 point mark. This is Pulis 2nd challenge, first to stay up, second to not fall away after reaching 40 points, third winning a cup.

If he achieves all of that, no matter how we play, he'd have done well.

The thing with Pulis, which has been said a gazillion times is that if the results aren't there, there's very little else for fans to get excited about whereas some previous managers have managed somehow to keep fans engaged when losing matches.

This is maybe a product of our stability in the premier league as much as anything else?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 22, 2017, 11:31:12 AM
Quote from: section5 on August 22, 2017, 11:04:12 AM
Yeah thing is though you're taking 1 out of 12 out of context, injuries, 40 point mark etc. Not excusing it and neither would TP but do we base judgments on the last 2/3 months of a season, or the keyword being the whole season? We are overacheivers pure and simple, I think to be honest our expectations of some fans for a club our side are unrealistic. We don't have the pulling factor of London and we're not a big club with a big stadium so it's easy to see the lure of teams like palace and watford  (even though I don't believe them to be a "bigger club") over a team like west brom. That's where I think we are disadvantaged in terms of recruitment straight away regardless of pulis specific requirements. We really are punching above our weights consistently, I don't understand how fickle and unrealistic our fans can be. We'd all love to splash cash and expand the stadium and get Albion into a worldwide brand (which with the eco cities and Chinese link we're slowly laying the foundation's to improve our brand awareness). However we don't have the fanbase or revenue to do this, we have a high wage%/turnover as it is and only are capable of doing this  and competing in the premier league due to the copious amounts of TV money that we absolutely rely on, it makes me laugh when people say they'd rather watch us in the championship. It wouldn't be the same as ten years ago when we were able to bounce back pretty much straight away, look at the villa. Really think we should start putting on a more united front and have a real look at the job TP is doing considering all factors and realise we ain't doing too bad at all (even though we're all in agreement we need more players - we don't want to buy any old rubbish like we have done in the past just to fill gaps)

Apologies for going slightly off topic,

We are out performing in respect to who we are, BUT, look at what we could be
a) we are one of the 30 richest clubs on the planet,
b) we are the only premier league club in a caption area of circa10 million, (w.mids 5.7m, worcs 0.5m / warks 0.5m / glos 0.8m / s.staffs 0.4 / shrops
 0.3 ........
c) History, founding club, league winners, cup winners (*5)
d) international players ...

The club NEEDS to shed its small town mentality, hopefully Lai & Palm will do this, The start point has to be marketing the brand better IMHO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 22, 2017, 11:35:08 AM
The blokes god, stop picking on him :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on August 22, 2017, 11:49:41 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on August 22, 2017, 11:35:08 AM
The blokes god, stop picking on him :P

Thank you, at last one post I agree with  :P   ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on August 22, 2017, 01:33:08 PM
Quote from: Albionic on August 22, 2017, 11:31:12 AM
Apologies for going slightly off topic,

We are out performing in respect to who we are, BUT, look at what we could be
a) we are one of the 30 richest clubs on the planet,
b) we are the only premier league club in a caption area of circa10 million, (w.mids 5.7m, worcs 0.5m / warks 0.5m / glos 0.8m / s.staffs 0.4 / shrops
 0.3 ........
c) History, founding club, league winners, cup winners (*5)
d) international players ...

The club NEEDS to shed its small town mentality, hopefully Lai & Palm will do this, The start point has to be marketing the brand better IMHO.

Don't entirely disagree with you but your points also raise the question why aren't we a bigger club by now? Why aren't we filling out the stadium giving the owners the necessity to expand the stadium and bring it in line with other modern capacities /stadia. Being in the top 30 richest doesn't mean an awful lot as a lot of premier league teams run at losses, something jps model ensured we were always in the black. Although we're in the 30 richest teams that doesn't mean that much and turning that into being one of the world's 30 biggest teams would require at least 10/20 years of work unless we have a season like Leicester. As for international players there's a plethora of them in both premier league and championship wouldn't read too much into that. I think the fanbase definately have a role to play if we want to achieve any sort of top 7 team status.  I remember going down to the Hawthorns knowing it would always be packed and we'd back the boys and manager for 90 mins and wouldn't shut up. Now it's like a chore for most people,  i understand, as fans we want ambition, but to reach that it has to be measured and gradual. The points you raised yourself definately suggest we have the foundations to really push on as a club, however these factors haven't changed for about 9/10 years now we've become an established premier league team,so for anyone to say TP is holding us back as a club needs to look at the bigger picture (not saying you are just a general feeling). I understand the frustration and share the ambition but dont want to see us like the villa down the road. One of my point's from earlier is that our general status as a club(fanbase/stadium etc) and geographical pull of London instantly puts us at a disadvantage in the transfer market when you see some of the names people want us to go for or that we've  "missed" out on, it's just not realistic.  COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on August 22, 2017, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: section5 on August 22, 2017, 01:33:08 PM
One of my point's from earlier is that our general status as a club(fanbase/stadium etc) and geographical pull of London instantly puts us at a disadvantage in the transfer market when you see some of the names people want us to go for or that we've  "missed" out on, it's just not realistic.  COYB

Does anyone else think our location is a problem?

Our Head Coach lives on the South Coast, two of our last season's squad travelled down from Manchester every day.

Most of our first team squad are wealthy enough to have a daily commute by helicopter.

I'm not sure our location is a big issue, I'm not even sure our playing style & Head Coach is a big issue.

When other clubs are offering to double his wages to attract our captain, & when the person who has the final say is procrastination personified, that's a big issue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on August 22, 2017, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on August 22, 2017, 01:47:30 PM
Does anyone else think our location is a problem?

Our Head Coach lives on the South Coast, two of our last season's squad travelled down from Manchester every day.

Most of our first team squad are wealthy enough to have a daily commute by helicopter.

I'm not sure our location is a big issue, I'm not even sure our playing style & Head Coach is a big issue.

When other clubs are offering to double his wages to attract our captain, & when the person who has the final say is procrastination personified, that's a big issue.

Granted money talks but hypothetically speaking if a club from london or Cheshire way comes in for a player the trend seems to be that those two locations are the top footballers playground, why would you commute from London every day to here? That's my point, what's our usp to these players? Why would a player want to do that commute when they can just play for palace and watford etc. We just don't have that pull or status as a club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Beefy on August 22, 2017, 11:03:44 PM
Read into these comments what you wil !!

Matt Wilson‏Verified account @mattwilson_star  20m20 minutes ago

Pulis was also impressed with Chadli's attitude, but when I asked if he would be sold this summer he said: "We'll have to wait and see."

 Matt Wilson‏Verified account @mattwilson_star  21m21 minutes ago

Pulis: "The showers couldn't be turned on afterwards because the lights had to be turned off. Brilliant. That won't do these lot any harm."

 Matt Wilson‏Verified account @mattwilson_star  23m23 minutes ago

Delighted Pulis played such a strong team, but when I asked him about it he said: "It's the only team we've got!"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on August 22, 2017, 11:10:07 PM
Quote from: Beefy on August 22, 2017, 11:03:44 PM
Read into these comments what you wil !!

Matt Wilson‏Verified account @mattwilson_star  20m20 minutes ago

Pulis was also impressed with Chadli's attitude, but when I asked if he would be sold this summer he said: "We'll have to wait and see."

 Matt Wilson‏Verified account @mattwilson_star  21m21 minutes ago

Pulis: "The showers couldn't be turned on afterwards because the lights had to be turned off. Brilliant. That won't do these lot any harm."

 Matt Wilson‏Verified account @mattwilson_star  23m23 minutes ago

Delighted Pulis played such a strong team, but when I asked him about it he said: "It's the only team we've got!"
cor argue about what he's saying, close to our strongest team tonight. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 22, 2017, 11:11:14 PM
3 wins out of 3.

Keep up the good work TP. Top manager.

 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 23, 2017, 10:23:53 AM
Was refreshing to see Pulis utilise a different system last night, I know it was Accrington Stanley but I have thought for a while that playing a 4-2-3-1 formation would benefit some of the individual quality we possess and give our attacking play more dynamism.   Hope he is brave enough to play it in the league; a front four of Chadli, Rodriguez, Phillips and Rondon would give any team problems.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on August 23, 2017, 10:26:49 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 23, 2017, 10:23:53 AM
Was refreshing to see Pulis utilise a different system last night, I know it was Accrington Stanley but I have thought for a while that playing a 4-2-3-1 formation would benefit some of the individual quality we possess and give our attacking play more dynamism.   Hope he is brave enough to play it in the league; a front four of Chadli, Rodriguez, Phillips and Rondon would give any team problems.

Before the season I was really looking forward to seeing this too but fear we won't see it too many times this season with the links to Deeney/Janssen and Chadli to Swansea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 23, 2017, 10:32:06 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on August 23, 2017, 10:23:53 AM
Was refreshing to see Pulis utilise a different system last night, I know it was Accrington Stanley but I have thought for a while that playing a 4-2-3-1 formation would benefit some of the individual quality we possess and give our attacking play more dynamism.   Hope he is brave enough to play it in the league; a front four of Chadli, Rodriguez, Phillips and Rondon would give any team problems.

Agree, that would be a dangerous front four who all possess different qualities. I'm desperate to see Chadli stay and go back to his earlier form, don't know how well he played last night but he's a talented player who hasn't shown it enough with us so far.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on August 25, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
with the latest movement in this transfer window are we finally going to see the palace pulisball?pace and power by big able agile footballers all over the pitch?i really hope so,the future looks bright in blue and white ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on August 25, 2017, 11:31:58 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on August 25, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
with the latest movement in this transfer window are we finally going to see the palace pulisball?pace and power by big able agile footballers all over the pitch?i really hope so,the future looks bright in blue and white ;D

To be fair we've won 3 out of 3 without 'palace pulisball'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on August 25, 2017, 11:43:23 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on August 25, 2017, 11:31:58 PM
To be fair we've won 3 out of 3 without 'palace pulisball'
yup but how many did we lose over a  course of a season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on August 25, 2017, 11:47:56 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on August 25, 2017, 11:43:23 PM
yup but how many did we lose over a  course of a season?

This season we've lost none, which is surely all that matters at the moment? How many did Leicester lose the year before the season they won the league? How many did Chelsea lose the year before they won the league? I'm confident that this season is going well and we've started better than any other season. What is there to moan about?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on August 26, 2017, 12:03:17 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on August 25, 2017, 11:47:56 PM
This season we've lost none, which is surely all that matters at the moment? How many did Leicester lose the year before the season they won the league? How many did Chelsea lose the year before they won the league? I'm confident that this season is going well and we've started better than any other season. What is there to moan about?
not me as pulis seems to have gotten us on the palace route,we shall see
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 26, 2017, 10:39:10 AM
I've never understood "Palace Pulisball" they were low scoring deep sitting reducing games to low event battles. There were the odd exception but then again there has been the odd exception here across the two and half years.  You can argue that the results are good you can argue that it is effective but you can't argue something different is coming down the track because it isn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2017, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 26, 2017, 10:39:10 AM
I've never understood "Palace Pulisball" they were low scoring deep sitting reducing games to low event battles. There were the odd exception but then again there has been the odd exception here across the two and half years.  You can argue that the results are good you can argue that it is effective but you can't argue something different is coming down the track because it isn't.


In this at least we are in agreement re Pulis. That Palace team is embellished by the 3-3 draw that cost Liverpool a chance at the title.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 26, 2017, 11:26:22 AM
The football we've played under Pulis has never been as bad as Stokies had it. We've played some good stuff at times, other times poor but not as bad as some make out. The main thing is he's getting the maximum out the team when it comes to results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on August 26, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
I honestly ain't bothered as long as we are getting results. When I was a kid and started supporting Albion I never went and thought 'I want to be entertained' I went just because they are my team and I want them to win and tbh nothing has changed in my mindset since.

If eater watch a pulis scrappy 1-0 win than a pepe Mel passion attacking 4-3 loss

How many teams are actually entertaining and half decent?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 26, 2017, 12:19:33 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on August 26, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
I honestly ain't bothered as long as we are getting results. When I was a kid and started supporting Albion I never went and thought 'I want to be entertained' I went just because they are my team and I want them to win and tbh nothing has changed in my mindset since.

If eater watch a pulis scrappy 1-0 win than a pepe Mel passion attacking 4-3 loss

How many teams are actually entertaining and half decent?

Some Bournemouth fans are moaning about their football, sideways passing going nowhere I've seen one describe it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on August 26, 2017, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 26, 2017, 12:19:33 PM
Some Bournemouth fans are moaning about their football, sideways passing going nowhere I've seen one describe it.

There are fans at every team that will moan about anything to be fair, I mean any Bournemouth fan moaning about things after the last few years they have had is ridiculous.

I think this 'entertaining' business is just a modern day thing if I'm honest, never heard anyone really mentioning going to the game to be entertained until last few years. I just though you went because it was who you supported.

No one would support the Albion if that is the case as how any seasons can Albion fans say they have been entertained by attacking exciting football in the last 40 years? Probably 5-6 seasons at most and that's normally when we are one of the best teams in either the third or second division
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on August 26, 2017, 01:04:17 PM
I think the boredom lies with being an established mid table team.

1999/2000 - Survive Relegation on final day
2000/2001 - Play Offs
2001/2002 - Promotion
2002/2003 - Relegation
2003/2004 - Promotion
2004/2005 - Survive Relegation on final day
2005/2006 - Relegation
2006/2007 - Play Off Final
2007/2008 - Win the League
2008/2009 - Relegation
2009/2010 - Promotion

Eleven seasons in a row in which we were always fighting for our lives to get up or stay in the division so every game especially in the second half of the season was crucial. Except for the few months Pepe Mel was in charge, we have always been comfortable in that second half of the season with nothing to play for. That adrenaline rush that Albion fans were used to in the 2000-2010 decade has gone because the club has succeeded. The dream for Albion fans was to be an established Premier League team after so many years looking like we didn't belong at this level, we've reached that goal and hit our ceiling. So then the manager in charge will get the brunt of the criticism of fans boredom towards Albion when in fact it's the realisation that it doesn't really get much better than this. It's the repetitiveness of achieving our goal every season of 40 points when in fact we can't realistically ask for much more other than a cup run.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 26, 2017, 01:08:26 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on August 26, 2017, 12:30:39 PM
There are fans at every team that will moan about anything to be fair, I mean any Bournemouth fan moaning about things after the last few years they have had is ridiculous.

I think this 'entertaining' business is just a modern day thing if I'm honest, never heard anyone really mentioning going to the game to be entertained until last few years. I just though you went because it was who you supported.

No one would support the Albion if that is the case as how any seasons can Albion fans say they have been entertained by attacking exciting football in the last 40 years? Probably 5-6 seasons at most and that's normally when we are one of the best teams in either the third or second division

since in marketing terms we became "customers" rather than fans there is a perception we need to be entertained, I for one feel better when we win entertained or not 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 26, 2017, 05:55:54 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on August 26, 2017, 01:08:26 PM
sSnce in marketing terms we became "customers" rather than fans there is a perception we need to be entertained, I for one feel better when we win entertained or not 8)
Agreed mate. Winning is what it is all about. I don't feel good If we have played really well and lost.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 26, 2017, 06:19:06 PM
Quote from: halifax_baggie on August 26, 2017, 01:08:26 PM
sSnce in marketing terms we became "customers" rather than fans there is a perception we need to be entertained, I for one feel better when we win entertained or not 8)

For me its almost the opposite. I feel much more pride in my team if we have battled through adversity and really tried, even if we lose.

Win or Loss ratios are important to the money men, its the passion on the pitch which sticks with me.

(Winning is obviously nice but with passion and intensity the wins come.)  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 26, 2017, 06:43:50 PM
Winning is ALL that matters..end of.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on August 26, 2017, 06:52:43 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 26, 2017, 06:19:06 PM
For me its almost the opposite. I feel much more pride in my team if we have battled through adversity and really tried, even if we lose.

Win or Loss ratios are important to the money men, its the passion on the pitch which sticks with me.

(Winning is obviously nice but with passion and intensity the wins come.)  8)

I don't think there is any less passion defending a 0-1 or 0-0 away from home for the last 20 mins.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 26, 2017, 07:08:36 PM
Quote from: wbastrollers on August 26, 2017, 06:52:43 PM
I don't think there is any less passion defending a 0-1 or 0-0 away from home for the last 20 mins.

Maybe passion was the wrong word. Intent would be more like it.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on August 26, 2017, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on August 26, 2017, 07:08:36 PM
Maybe passion was the wrong word. Intent would be more like it.

We will never have 'possession' football with TP that is not his raison de'tre, however, after watching the Accrington game I could see TP's 'intent' to play power football, with the way Phillips, Chadli, Morrison, Rondon and Mclean(interchaging with phillips) carried the ball, with power, into the heart of the  Accrigton defense causing mayhem. Accrington started playing pretty pretty possession football but after 20 mins we just brushed them aside with our power play. TP has showed his 'intent' with the signing of the young lad Burke.

I can fully understand why it did not work out for him at RB Leipzig, with the continental possession game. It would not have given the lad the opportunity to show his pace and power.
Hopefully he will flourish with opportunities within our style of play and put the fear of God into the Premier defenses. Amen!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on August 26, 2017, 08:02:11 PM
Quote from: wbastrollers on August 26, 2017, 07:57:37 PM
We will never have 'possession' football with TP that is not his raison de'tre, however, after watching the Accrington game I could see TP's 'intent' to play power football, with the way Phillips, Chadli, Morrison, Rondon and Mclean(interchaging with phillips) carried the ball, with power, into the heart of the  Accrigton defense causing mayhem. Accrington started playing pretty pretty possession football but after 20 mins we just brushed them aside with our power play. TP has showed his 'intent' with the signing of the young lad Burke.

I can fully understand why it did not work out for him at RB Leipzig, with the continental possession game. It would not have given the lad the opportunity to show his pace and power.
Hopefully he will flourish with opportunities within our style of play and put the fear of God into the Premier defenses. Amen!

Im all for it. COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 26, 2017, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: Ukar1 on August 26, 2017, 06:43:50 PM
Winning is ALL that matters..end of.
And yet we tend to play "not to lose"  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on August 26, 2017, 09:31:39 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on August 26, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
I honestly ain't bothered as long as we are getting results. When I was a kid and started supporting Albion I never went and thought 'I want to be entertained' I went just because they are my team and I want them to win and tbh nothing has changed in my mindset since.

If eater watch a pulis scrappy 1-0 win than a pepe Mel passion attacking 4-3 loss

How many teams are actually entertaining and half decent?

Exactly

One man's tikka-takka is another man's tippy-tappy...?

Pulis gets results - and does it at the top table - good enough for me  :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on August 26, 2017, 11:44:43 PM
The FDB reign at Crystal Palace is interesting to look at in relation to TP.  They have struggled trying to adapt to a more passing oriented style with ill fitting parts. It will be interesting to see how long their ownership group will give him to get the results.

I think FDB can be successful but when you are switching from a more defensive system to one where you need to keep high possession, there will be a lot of growing pains that you need to suffer through. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on August 27, 2017, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: DivinePast on August 26, 2017, 11:44:43 PM
The FDB reign at Crystal Palace is interesting to look at in relation to TP.  They have struggled trying to adapt to a more passing oriented style with ill fitting parts. It will be interesting to see how long their ownership group will give him to get the results.

I think FDB can be successful but when you are switching from a more defensive system to one where you need to keep high possession, there will be a lot of growing pains that you need to suffer through. 


I think it is very easy to under estimate the challenge of changing styles and the different demands that puts on players. Palace look lost at the moment and are stumbling towards the worst of both worlds they can't pass and move but they seem to have lost the defensive discipline they once had.

From our perspective by the end of this window we will have the personnel to play one way and without a major overhaul of the squad it will be difficult to change it and the risk of changing it will become greater the longer Pulis is here.

I hate his approach to football always have always will but I feel we are rapidly approaching the point of no return we won't have the players to play any other way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 27, 2017, 01:08:16 AM
Quote from: Standaman on August 27, 2017, 12:22:30 AM
I think it is very easy to under estimate the challenge of changing styles and the different demands that puts on players. Palace look lost at the moment and are stumbling towards the worst of both worlds they can't pass and move but they seem to have lost the defensive discipline they once had.

From our perspective by the end of this window we will have the personnel to play one way and without a major overhaul of the squad it will be difficult to change it and the risk of changing it will become greater the longer Pulis is here.

I hate his approach to football always have always will but I feel we are rapidly approaching the point of no return we won't have the players to play any other way.

I don't disagree with this analysis, but in my kind there's a big difference between playing the horrible "Pulisball" that we seen too much of, and modifying it to play fast counter-attacking football with pace, width and strength. That modification is not difficult to achieve and so far we have shown signs of recruiting the right players to achieve this.  The fans will appreciate such a modified style, and it has to be way forward especially with the likes of Burke to get the crowd on its feet.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 27, 2017, 07:02:14 AM
Quote from: wbastrollers on August 26, 2017, 07:57:37 PM
We will never have 'possession' football with TP that is not his raison de'tre, however, after watching the Accrington game I could see TP's 'intent' to play power football, with the way Phillips, Chadli, Morrison, Rondon and Mclean(interchaging with phillips) carried the ball, with power, into the heart of the  Accrigton defense causing mayhem. Accrington started playing pretty pretty possession football but after 20 mins we just brushed them aside with our power play. TP has showed his 'intent' with the signing of the young lad Burke.

I can fully understand why it did not work out for him at RB Leipzig, with the continental possession game. It would not have given the lad the opportunity to show his pace and power.
Hopefully he will flourish with opportunities within our style of play and put the fear of God into the Premier defenses. Amen!

One of several excellent and realistic posts.

Tony Pulis plays a pragmatic style based on the players available, he likes powerful, larger players with ability and pace, he has a squad which is slowly evolving into what he wants, in the meantime he will utilise what he has to get results, nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ukar1 on August 27, 2017, 08:23:26 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on August 26, 2017, 09:25:48 PM
And yet we tend to play "not to lose"  ;)
Disagree, perhaps I should have said, winning  or taking a point is what matters...and if that means grinding a point out when needed away or at home in the bigger picture then I'm very happy.
..the alternative of "Melisball" , sending me home "entertained'", having lost is the unexceptionable face of football.
TP is THE best manager for us.We remain lucky to have a Manager of the year , and also a last season nominated one.
But.. some "fans" like their echo chambers!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on August 27, 2017, 12:02:20 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 26, 2017, 01:04:17 PM
I think the boredom lies with being an established mid table team.

1999/2000 - Survive Relegation on final day
2000/2001 - Play Offs
2001/2002 - Promotion
2002/2003 - Relegation
2003/2004 - Promotion
2004/2005 - Survive Relegation on final day
2005/2006 - Relegation
2006/2007 - Play Off Final
2007/2008 - Win the League
2008/2009 - Relegation
2009/2010 - Promotion

Eleven seasons in a row in which we were always fighting for our lives to get up or stay in the division so every game especially in the second half of the season was crucial. Except for the few months Pepe Mel was in charge, we have always been comfortable in that second half of the season with nothing to play for. That adrenaline rush that Albion fans were used to in the 2000-2010 decade has gone because the club has succeeded. The dream for Albion fans was to be an established Premier League team after so many years looking like we didn't belong at this level, we've reached that goal and hit our ceiling. So then the manager in charge will get the brunt of the criticism of fans boredom towards Albion when in fact it's the realisation that it doesn't really get much better than this. It's the repetitiveness of achieving our goal every season of 40 points when in fact we can't realistically ask for much more other than a cup run.

Fantastic post, so true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on August 27, 2017, 12:30:38 PM
Quote from: Sted1990 on August 27, 2017, 12:02:20 PM
Fantastic post, so true.

Yep - totally agree with that.  On balance I'd prefer to be safe by February than by May!

Good Cup runs and ending the perception of being "on the beach" after February, along with playing good counter-attacking football which I think is coming, really would be as good as it gets.

A Saints fan who is a good mate of mine has recently started asking "what's the point of the Premier League due to them realizing that a top 8 finish and always selling off their good players is their apparent ceiling.

The harsh truth is that we are all support acts for the big 6. Without us they don't have a great League, and without them we don't have all the money and profile from it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smudger 2007 on August 27, 2017, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: Legend on August 26, 2017, 01:04:17 PM
I think the boredom lies with being an established mid table team.

1999/2000 - Survive Relegation on final day
2000/2001 - Play Offs
2001/2002 - Promotion
2002/2003 - Relegation
2003/2004 - Promotion
2004/2005 - Survive Relegation on final day
2005/2006 - Relegation
2006/2007 - Play Off Final
2007/2008 - Win the League
2008/2009 - Relegation
2009/2010 - Promotion

Eleven seasons in a row in which we were always fighting for our lives to get up or stay in the division so every game especially in the second half of the season was crucial. Except for the few months Pepe Mel was in charge, we have always been comfortable in that second half of the season with nothing to play for. That adrenaline rush that Albion fans were used to in the 2000-2010 decade has gone because the club has succeeded. The dream for Albion fans was to be an established Premier League team after so many years looking like we didn't belong at this level, we've reached that goal and hit our ceiling. So then the manager in charge will get the brunt of the criticism of fans boredom towards Albion when in fact it's the realisation that it doesn't really get much better than this. It's the repetitiveness of achieving our goal every season of 40 points when in fact we can't realistically ask for much more other than a cup run.
when you break it down this is spot on. Never really thought of it like this. We are at our pinnacle at the moment. Apart from another miracle like Leicester
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SC_Baggie on August 27, 2017, 08:25:23 PM
And Leicester certainly was a once in a lifetime miracle. Hell it's a miracle even if a non Big 7 club ever finishes in the top 4.  The premier league unfortunately has the biggest established group of all the major leagues right now. Other leagues have 1-3 superpowers but there is decently fluidity after that. But the PL is much more rigid these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 30, 2017, 12:55:13 PM
Looks like we are getting a reasonable side together.
He justs need to have more belief in his players and courage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2017, 12:59:32 PM
hopefully we see a smidgen of a style change. i am enjoying my time at home for the time being. he has certainly given us a reputation amongst all other football supporters. see you at Brighton Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 30, 2017, 01:04:06 PM
I do wonder if the 40 point meltdown has prompted some of these @type@ of signings, the new additions (Hegazi- proven intl, Gibbs - intl, champs league, Grzegorz (TBC at time of writing) - PSG & Valencia, Burke, went to GmbH, do not seem like players who will fold their arms and say job done in March.
Maybe just maybe, Mr Lai has laid down the law and dictated to TP, I expect us to "go for it" all season and BTW I want the chinese market to "admire" our football club as an example of what can be done by being smart.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on August 30, 2017, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on August 30, 2017, 12:55:13 PM
Looks like we are getting a reasonable side together.
He justs need to have more belief in his players and courage.

Gibbs wont come here to sit on the bench every week, and signing him gives me a sense of a real change in approach in home games at least.

Our right side last year was the most effective; Phillips was the outlet more than Chadli/McClean and our RB (whether thats Dawson or Nyom) produced far more crosses than out left side.

This year I have noticed teams stifling Phillips more, allowing him to get the ball deeper but doubling up quicker, so maybe Pulis now wants Gibbs to overlap our left winger a bit more.

None of McClean, Brunt, Chadli or JRod have the "pacey winger" style that Phillips does ie knock the ball in front and run onto it, the previous are better technical players than Phillips but they like to keep the ball close and this allows a more attack minded full back to overlap.

I can see Gibbs actually being a more important signing than we are already giving him credit for; heres hoping anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on August 30, 2017, 01:15:06 PM
He's built the base, not time to release the shackles and get us challenging closer to top 8 than relegation.

Potential team of;
Foster
Nyom Dawson Evans/Gibson gibbs
Krychowiak Barry
Phillips jrod Burke
Rondon/janssen

Surely good enough to compete with Everton
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 30, 2017, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: baggie96 on August 30, 2017, 01:15:06 PM
He's built the base, not time to release the shackles and get us challenging closer to top 8 than relegation.

Potential team of;
Foster
Nyom Dawson Evans/Gibson gibbs
Krychowiak Barry
Phillips jrod Burke
Rondon/janssen

Surely good enough to compete with Everton
40-45 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on August 30, 2017, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on August 30, 2017, 01:16:58 PM
40-45 points.

Are you serious? That team should be picking up minimum 55!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 30, 2017, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: baggie96 on August 30, 2017, 01:22:44 PM
Are you serious? That team should be picking up minimum 55!
your right, it should. It won't, but it should!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on August 30, 2017, 07:11:22 PM
For only the 2nd time in his career now there is pressure on Pulis to provide more than the bare minimum 40 PL points and the last time he was in a similar position it ended with him being sacked as he couldn't adapt.

Some have always insisted Pulis is pretty much the only manager who could keep us up despite the evidence suggesting otherwise, but in certain quarters both in our fan base and sections of the media he has received a lot of praise for reaching 40 points and the method in which he does that is disregarded.

There's been plenty said on both sides over the last 2.5 years on the Pulis debate but now unless I am missing something there are absolutely no excuses for us not only finishing 8th-14th but doing so in a style that will please most fans.

For the record in my opinion we are still miles off Everton and I think 8th is our realistic ceiling. I also don't expect us to be a free flowing free scoring entertaining side or produce good/great performances and results every week. But we must now be offering decent showings 7 weeks in 10. A big measure of if this is if we are able to come away from  games we have lost and still be pretty happy with what we saw, something I don't think we have ever done under Pulis to date.

With the team/squad we have now results on there own are not enough to judge someone on which has the been the sole criteria for some until now. Southampton sacked there manager last year after finishing 8th because the performances were not good enough. Albion/Pulis are now in that category. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on August 30, 2017, 07:15:19 PM
Big season for Pulis, i think we now the quality of players he probably hasnt worked with before and be interesting to see how he goes.

Fair play to him, he did an interview with Adrian Chiles a couple of years back and said he wanted stabilise us, get the age and numbers of the squad down and the quality in with a view to filtering in the exceptional young talent we had and he is doing exactly as he said.

I think its a good sign the club backed him, he will always have the same basic priniciples and i expect him to stick with those to a degree but having the quality of players we now have to perform those principles could make for a positive future.

I do think he gets pigeon holed at times, not always from Albion fans but the media, we won our first two games 1-0, i personally thought we were good first half v Bournemouth, steady and professional second half (perhaps should of won by more than 1) then went to a tough team away at Burnley and ground at a 1-0, Arsenal won league titles on 1-0 and it was known as defensive master class in many media circles, yet our wins get described as negative and boring and i think thats where Pulis reputation goes ahead of him, somewhat unjustly as times.

Over to Tone now as we have a potentially very good squad and should be targeting at least 50 plus points and a cup run! Ideally not meaning the checkatrade trophy!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on August 30, 2017, 07:41:45 PM
Tony Pulis with the spending budget he has had over a number of years & teams must be pound for pound one of the best managers in the prem for keeping teams up now lets hope he can push on just like the team into a top 8 manager & team
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 30, 2017, 07:46:26 PM
Another top 10 finish and i would be chuffed.

Its easy to get carried away but I'm trying to be realistic.

Nothing wrong with being hopefully but expectations have become the devil imo
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on August 30, 2017, 07:46:32 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on August 30, 2017, 07:11:22 PM
I also don't expect us to be a free flowing free scoring entertaining side or produce good/great performances and results every week. But we must now be offering decent showings 7 weeks in 10.

We have pitiful options up front. Until we bring in a goal-scorer and a striker who is quick with a genuine threat in-behind were going to struggle to improve much on last season. Doesn't matter if we have 10 decent defenders and defensive midfielders if were still picking Rondon who is useless as first choice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 30, 2017, 07:47:46 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on August 30, 2017, 07:46:32 PM
We have pitiful options up front. Until we bring in a goal-scorer and a striker who is quick with a genuine threat in-behind were going to struggle to improve much on last season. Doesn't matter if we have 10 decent defenders and defensive midfielders if were still picking Rondon who is useless as first choice.

if we sign 2 more strikers, thats 5 strikers for one position....thats absurd.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 30, 2017, 07:50:12 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on August 30, 2017, 07:46:32 PM
We have pitiful options up front. Until we bring in a goal-scorer and a striker who is quick with a genuine threat in-behind were going to struggle to improve much on last season. Doesn't matter if we have 10 decent defenders and defensive midfielders if were still picking Rondon who is useless as first choice.

Clean sheets are as valuable as goals. We need firepower but goals cost tens of millions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on August 30, 2017, 07:50:42 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on August 30, 2017, 07:46:32 PM
We have pitiful options up front. Until we bring in a goal-scorer and a striker who is quick with a genuine threat in-behind were going to struggle to improve much on last season. Doesn't matter if we have 10 decent defenders and defensive midfielders if were still picking Rondon who is useless as first choice.

you're onto something, regardless of whether it's Rondon or Jay upfront what's really needed is someone behind the striker who can create chances to make the attack multi-dimensional and not just rely on Phillips and whoever is on the left.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 30, 2017, 07:51:27 PM
Having a top class strike force can win you a game, but having a top class defensive unit means you won't loose the game. i know what makes more sense to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 30, 2017, 07:51:47 PM
Rodriguez and Rondon are easily good enough for 10 goals a piece, which is plenty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2017, 07:51:53 PM
HRK back for West Ham don't forget
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on August 30, 2017, 07:54:44 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on August 30, 2017, 07:47:46 PM
if we sign 2 more strikers, thats 5 strikers for one position....thats absurd.

Rondon - useless, quite happy to get rid if we can find a buyer.
Rodriquez - playing in midfield, not an out and out striker, played more in an attacking midfield role off the wing.
Kanu - utility bosman

Not exactly brimming with options and goals are we? We need a better Rondon who can hold the ball up and link with midfield like Deeney or Jansen and someone who can run in-behind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2017, 07:58:51 PM
A bit more difficult to beat now I would say
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 30, 2017, 07:58:59 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on August 30, 2017, 07:54:44 PM
Rondon - useless, quite happy to get rid if we can find a buyer.
Rodriquez - playing in midfield, not an out and out striker, played more in an attacking midfield role off the wing.
Kanu - utility bosman

Not exactly brimming with options and goals are we? We need a better Rondon who can hold the ball up and link with midfield like Deeney or Jansen and someone who can run in-behind.


Neither are better than Rondon, the player you're describing is Diego Costa...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on August 30, 2017, 08:01:56 PM
Rondon scored late last season, I vividly remember a game-winner against Man U.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on August 30, 2017, 08:05:06 PM
Quote from: vrabbit on August 30, 2017, 08:01:56 PM
Rondon scored late last season, I vividly remember a game-winner against Man U.

United beat us 0-2 at our place and we drew 0-0 at theirs last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2017, 08:06:12 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on August 30, 2017, 08:05:06 PM
United beat us 0-2 at our place and we drew 0-0 at theirs last season.


I did scratch my head
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on August 30, 2017, 08:06:20 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on August 30, 2017, 08:05:06 PM
United beat us 0-2 at our place and we drew 0-0 at theirs last season.

omg that was that long ago? I'm dead!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on August 30, 2017, 08:14:10 PM
I mean his goal late last season was with his foot on a turn-around but still
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on August 30, 2017, 08:23:14 PM
Never been a big fan of our Tone, but he now has a great opportunity to show the world that he can adapt and change, we have the players now to continue to be solid and hard to beat, but also we can be a real threat going forward with pacy full backs and good, exciting flair players like Phillips, Rodriguez and Burke.

Hopefully no nasty surprises tomorrow and let's see what we can achieve this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SC_Baggie on August 30, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
This squad should threaten the top 7 this year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on August 30, 2017, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: SC_Baggie on August 30, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
This squad should threaten the top 7 this year

This is what the goal should be. I won't be disappointed with a finish outside of the top7, but I'd love to make those top-7 teams sweat. Slowly build your way to being a contender for that top-7 but that comes year to year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 30, 2017, 08:53:55 PM
Nothing is a given in football, if you looked at our squad last year compared to others we would have no business in the top 10, same with the cherries. Id be very happy if we were knocking on the top 7s door, very happy indeed but a top 10 finish again would be fantastic imo

You say we should be progressing every season, but when does that actually happen?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 30, 2017, 08:56:48 PM
He has now got a week for the new players to gel.
Ahmed Hegazi started off well but he hasn't yet totally adapted to the team...look what happened on Sunday.
All players need time, so let's hope this break is an extra chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 30, 2017, 09:28:08 PM
How are we getting these players in, after all nobody wants to come and play for TP do they? By the way hurry along and get your season tickets, there will be a big queue of Polish people at the ticket office tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 30, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
I think we are a looong way off genuinely troubling the top 7 over the coarse of a season. A top 10 would do me but without the trailing off this year.

I'd like to get another decent attacker in and a replacement for Evans if he goes (and if he does go he goes with my best wishes, he's been excellent for us).

We look very strong at the moment to be honest. I expect to see us control more games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SC_Baggie on August 31, 2017, 01:11:11 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on August 30, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
I think we are a looong way off genuinely troubling the top 7 over the coarse of a season. A top 10 would do me but without the trailing off this year.

I'd like to get another decent attacker in and a replacement for Evans if he goes (and if he does go he goes with my best wishes, he's been excellent for us).

We look very strong at the moment to be honest. I expect to see us control more games.

It may sound ambitions to say we can threaten the top 7 but if you think about it, it's really not. Which teams outside of the top 7 are clearly better than our current squad? And there are several that we are clearly better than.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 31, 2017, 01:18:10 AM
Quote from: SC_Baggie on August 31, 2017, 01:11:11 AM
It may sound ambitions to say we can threaten the top 7 but if you think about it, it's really not. Which teams outside of the top 7 are clearly better than our current squad? And there are several that we are clearly better than.

Thats all well and good but there was several squads we finished infant of last year that were better than ours, football isn't a game won on paper.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 31, 2017, 06:36:37 AM
Quote from: vrabbit on August 30, 2017, 08:14:10 PM
I mean his goal late last season was with his foot on a turn-around but still
That was the equaliser away at Burnley, he took it really well after some great work from McClean. So far it is his only goal in 2017.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on August 31, 2017, 10:13:15 AM
Quote from: SC_Baggie on August 31, 2017, 01:11:11 AM
It may sound ambitions to say we can threaten the top 7 but if you think about it, it's really not. Which teams outside of the top 7 are clearly better than our current squad? And there are several that we are clearly better than.

I think we can definitely challenge for "best of the rest" but the top 7 are so far ahead it's too massive a gap realistically.  We will certainly give them good games, but over the course of a season bringing in more points than them is very difficult unless one or two have a really poor season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 31, 2017, 10:20:34 AM
We're not going to finish top 7. I would gladly finish where we did last season, or hopefully in 8th as we should have done last season given how long we were there, my priority is more entertainment and the new signings gives him no excuse to play the dire football we have seen from him during the majority of his tenure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2017, 10:22:17 AM
i expect us to be more proactive at home and finish a little stonger when we get to 40 points. no chance of top 7 and never will unless we get taken over :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on August 31, 2017, 01:49:19 PM
7th in the table Everton have spent how much ?

If we can overtake them or anyone else in the top 7 (maybe Arsenal could continue imploding, but I doubt it will last a full season) TP and the whole team will deserve the freedom of Sandwell.

Waits for the "but Leicester ........"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on August 31, 2017, 04:01:43 PM
Regardless of who the manager is expecting a top7 finish with this squad, improved as it may be, is unrealistic when you look at the top 7 teams' budgets and rosters.

But expecting TP to have this team right there in the hunt  to sneak into the top7 if one or more of those teams has a letdown season? That's not unreasonable.

Assuming the top7 perform as they should, 8th place within single digits of 7th is WBA's ceiling. That's where this team was at last season before the inexplicable drop in form.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 31, 2017, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: vrabbit on August 31, 2017, 04:01:43 PM
Regardless of who the manager is expecting a top7 finish with this squad, improved as it may be, is unrealistic when you look at the top 7 teams' budgets and rosters.

But expecting TP to have this team right there in the hunt  to sneak into the top7 if one or more of those teams has a letdown season? That's not unreasonable.

Assuming the top7 perform as they should, 8th place within single digits of 7th is WBA's ceiling. That's where this team was at last season before the inexplicable drop in form.

We talk about the pulis curse and on the beach syndrome but the lack of squad depth imo caused it, we were blowing out of our backside last quarter of the season. Hoping with the depth in the squad now we might do a bit better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 31, 2017, 04:23:55 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on August 31, 2017, 04:19:40 PM
We talk about the pulis curse and on the beach syndrome but the lack of squad depth imo caused it, we were blowing out of our backside last quarter of the season. Hoping with the depth in the squad now we might do a bit better.

Certainly no excuses this season. Looking forward to seeing how we shape up over the next few weeks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2017, 04:25:38 PM
when at stoke this was his day. hes a pipe and slippers man tonight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on September 01, 2017, 07:55:03 AM
Think the pressure is on for Pulis now. This is a strong team,especially in defence. Needs to carry on getting points on the board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2017, 08:01:02 AM
he still wont beat finishing 8th
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on September 01, 2017, 08:40:35 AM
I personally am not overly convinced by Everton but in all honesty, I'm not concerned about 7th. I just want to see us win games, not take the foot off the gas after 40 points and for us to seriously attack both cups.

If the above happens I'll be happy. Happier still if we cut out the time wasting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 01, 2017, 08:47:46 AM
TP laid a few myths to rest with that window - we signed a couple of foreign players and made enquiries about others, we did not sign any Stoke players as some predicted, and we didn't sign any bargain basement/freebie players. Furthermore we kept hold of Evans and Chadli which has to be a bonus. Under the previous regime both of those would have gone for a small profit, so fair play and well done WBA.

Personally I thought we had an excellent transfer window which is the first indication of progress and development. Hopefully TP will move more towards his Crystal Palace model and be adventurous up front. From my perspective, regardless of our individual thoughts about him, we need to get behind him and the club with our support. Personally I am buzzing to be honest......

Also, on the Foxes forum the other day, they were giving us pelters about the quality we had signed. One poster asked who our head of football was, someone else identified Nicky Hammond, and there was a suggestion that they should recruit him.... there is a compliment in there somewhere!   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 01, 2017, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 01, 2017, 08:47:46 AM
TP laid a few myths to rest with that window - we signed a couple of foreign players and made enquiries about others, we did not sign any Stoke players as some predicted, and we didn't sign any bargain basement/freebie players. Furthermore we kept hold of Evans and Chadli which has to be a bonus. Under the previous regime both of those would have gone for a small profit, so fair play and well done WBA.

Personally I thought we had an excellent transfer window which is the first indication of progress and development. Hopefully TP will move more towards his Crystal Palace model and be adventurous up front. From my perspective, regardless of our individual thoughts about him, we need to get behind him and the club with our support. Personally I am buzzing to be honest......

Also, on the Foxes forum the other day, they were giving us pelters about the quality we had signed. One poster asked who our head of football was, someone else identified Nicky Hammond, and there was a suggestion that they should recruit him.... there is a compliment in there somewhere!

think you've hit the nail on the head with that post.
I would be even more happy if we'd have got another striker in though. I do feel we are still a bit light even though we tend to only play with 1 up front.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on September 01, 2017, 09:07:52 AM
Quote from: vrabbit on August 31, 2017, 04:01:43 PM
Regardless of who the manager is expecting a top7 finish with this squad, improved as it may be, is unrealistic when you look at the top 7 teams' budgets and rosters.

But expecting TP to have this team right there in the hunt  to sneak into the top7 if one or more of those teams has a letdown season? That's not unreasonable.

Assuming the top7 perform as they should, 8th place within single digits of 7th is WBA's ceiling. That's where this team was at last season before the inexplicable drop in form.

Of course this is all true but when we are in a league with 20 teams, and 8th out of 20 is apparently our end goal ceiling it does really beg the question, what is the point?

All 20 teams ceiling should be 1st and 1st only really.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie-Mania on September 01, 2017, 10:49:04 AM
All I want to see is more points...placement will be come as a result of this, my hope is that we can get to the mid 50s and have one or two decent cup runs. For me that would be a success.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on September 01, 2017, 10:55:24 AM
Nominated for manager of the month.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 01, 2017, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: dan7heman on September 01, 2017, 10:55:24 AM
Nominated for manager of the month.

 played 4, won 3, drawn 1, lost 0,

Suspect Mourinho will get it but its a worthy nomination based on the numbers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 01, 2017, 10:59:53 AM
Well done TP, hope you go and win it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2017, 11:02:39 AM
results based yes and well done too, depends what floats yeah boat really. i am an entertaining football try to win a game type of chap myself not a one shot on goal per home game type
if we had started with man u man city and chelsea then i doubt his nomination at this stage
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 01, 2017, 11:11:07 AM
Quote from: dan7heman on September 01, 2017, 10:55:24 AM
Nominated for manager of the month.

Quite right too. If Wagner has been nominated I think he will edge it......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on September 01, 2017, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2017, 11:02:39 AM
results based yes and well done too, depends what floats yeah boat really. i am an entertaining football try to win a game type of chap myself not a one shot on goal per home game type
if we had started with man u man city and chelsea then i doubt his nomination at this stage

Can only play what's put in front of you. If Hegazi clears that ball it's 3 out of 3
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 01, 2017, 11:14:04 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2017, 11:02:39 AM
results based yes and well done too, depends what floats yeah boat really. i am an entertaining football try to win a game type of chap myself not a one shot on goal per home game type
if we had started with man u man city and chelsea then i doubt his nomination at this stage

We had 16 shots against Bournemouth.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SC_Baggie on September 01, 2017, 08:01:01 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on September 01, 2017, 09:07:52 AM
Of course this is all true but when we are in a league with 20 teams, and 8th out of 20 is apparently our end goal ceiling it does really beg the question, what is the point?

All 20 teams ceiling should be 1st and 1st only really.
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I am American and I have to say as much as I love European Football, this really is a big negative. Many more teams in American sports have chances to win titles, it is not as hopeless of a scenario as it is in many Euro soccer leagues.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on September 02, 2017, 01:04:51 AM
Quote from: SC_Baggie on September 01, 2017, 08:01:01 PM
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I am American and I have to say as much as I love European Football, this really is a big negative. Many more teams in American sports have chances to win titles, it is not as hopeless of a scenario as it is in many Euro soccer leagues.

Tell that to the Detroit Lions, LA Rams, Cleveland Browns and Cincinnati Bengals!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 02, 2017, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: MarkW on September 02, 2017, 01:04:51 AM
Tell that to the Detroit Lions, LA Rams, Cleveland Browns and Cincinnati Bengals!!

That is the downside without the renewal of relegation dysfunctional teams linger. In American sports Sunderland would not have been relegated last season but  limped into this and been everybody's punchbag. There is no Huddersfield in American sports they might not win the Premier League they may not even grace it for more than a season but they do freshen up the league.

That said generally American sports have mechanisms  e.g. wage caps and the draft system which consciously try to ensure that the bulk of teams are competitive. 

This brings us back to the topic there are fewer absolute barriers to success and as such no real equivalent of a mid-table team unable to break the glass ceiling but equally not going be involved in the "excitement" of a relegation scrap. They are either long term rubbish or they have some realistic hope of challenging.

We are becoming the embodiment of the mid-table team and that in itself is a little dull and that is why the football and entertainment value becomes more important to many fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on September 02, 2017, 06:39:07 PM
Most of the top 6 teams have tasted Europen Cup games,which yields even more revenue and attracts new Supporters,which in turn leaves the teams lower down,even more to do to try and catch up,which unless a rich benefactor takes over a Club,makes its almost impossible for Clubs in the same mould as ourselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggieboy74 on September 09, 2017, 07:19:17 AM
Worth a read for some opposition perspective.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/sep/07/tony-pulis-industrial-football-liam-rosenior-brighton-west-brom
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on September 09, 2017, 07:49:44 AM
Quote from: baggieboy74 on September 09, 2017, 07:19:17 AM
Worth a read for some opposition perspective.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/sep/07/tony-pulis-industrial-football-liam-rosenior-brighton-west-brom

I'm not a fan of Tony and I remain the same after reading this article, but I enjoyed and appreciated reading it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on September 09, 2017, 04:22:03 PM
Didn't do himself any favours today did he.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on September 09, 2017, 04:29:47 PM
There no hiding or excuses now pulis. You have spent the most money in our history and it's your team. Get team balance right or go and let someone else get it right
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 09, 2017, 04:31:41 PM
Quote from: mikehy on September 09, 2017, 04:29:47 PM
There no hiding or excuses now pulis. You have spent the most money in our history and it's your team. Get team balance right or go and let someone else get it right

THIS, exactly THIS.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyPulis on September 09, 2017, 04:32:56 PM
Brunt should have started instead of Nyom. The signing of Gibbs is pretty pointless too. We should have started the same team as in the previous games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on September 09, 2017, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on September 09, 2017, 04:31:41 PM
THIS, exactly THIS.
Amen to this..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on September 09, 2017, 04:37:27 PM
Let's go get Eddie howe, mr tippy tappy who has yet to get a point
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 09, 2017, 04:40:15 PM
Quote from: mikehy on September 09, 2017, 04:29:47 PM
There no hiding or excuses now pulis. You have spent the most money in our history and it's your team. Get team balance right or go and let someone else get it right

It's been two week since he brought 3 new players in. Do you want them all to start immediately and expect them to gel? He got today wrong. Our first defeat of the season and the reaction thus far and later on is incredible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on September 09, 2017, 04:46:03 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on September 09, 2017, 04:37:27 PM
Let's go get Eddie howe, mr tippy tappy who has yet to get a point

Let's get serious. Marco Silva was the type of man we should have gone for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 09, 2017, 04:47:36 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on September 09, 2017, 04:37:27 PM
Let's go get Eddie howe, mr tippy tappy who has yet to get a point

Go to response alert. Not sure you will find any who want Pulis gone who would want Howe in charge...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 09, 2017, 05:07:18 PM
Pulis got it wrong today. Overly defensive team with not enough decent footballers in it.


Something will have to give regards Dawson and Livermore imo for any real style of play improvements to happen.


But at the end of the day the defenders have let him down, something he never really has to account for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 09, 2017, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on September 09, 2017, 04:46:03 PM
Let's get serious. Marco Silva was the type of man we should have gone for.

At least Tony Pulis won his cup game this season  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 09, 2017, 05:34:34 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 09, 2017, 05:07:18 PM
Pulis got it wrong today. Overly defensive team with not enough decent footballers in it.


Something will have to give regards Dawson and Livermore imo for any real style of play improvements to happen.


But at the end of the day the defenders have let him down, something he never really has to account for.
Agreed. With the options we now have, Dawson should only be picked as a centre half, which is and always has been his best position. Livermore should be dropped on current form. I would like to also make the suggestion that left footed players should play on the left, and right footed players should play on the left.
On a different subject, it looks as if Chadli has been frozen out, unless I am reading it wrongly, and that needs to be sorted out pronto. We have so few attacking mid options, we need every option available at all times. Morrison played well in his 20 minutes today, but is incapable of any form for more than 2 or 3 games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 09, 2017, 05:44:06 PM
Look at the players in the squad now, on paper we should be going out to get result's not playing the way we do, Foster,Evans, Gibbs, Brunt, Phillips, Chadli, Burke, McClean, Morrison, Rodriguez, I said on paper there is some decent players there he should be letting them play, not playing the dross we are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: koren on September 09, 2017, 05:45:52 PM
He should be blamed for today's result.

Put Nyom on the left when we have Brunt and Gibbs.
Put Dawson who plays well at center back this season on the right.
Play Livermore in front of Barry and Krychowiak, made our midfield created nothing throughout the game.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: P Anderson on September 09, 2017, 05:52:10 PM
I felt sorry for nyom today, horbble mistakes today and not used to his strengths. Becci my turned into another utility man by Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on September 09, 2017, 06:00:49 PM
I expect Pulis will put the result down to individual defensive errors. Of course there were, but Pulis just sets out for a 0-0 and if he can nick a goal a 1-0. Why do we have to wait until the game is effectively lost before we start looking dangerous to the Brighton goal? Its so obvious that playing with 3 defensive midfielders, in addition to the back 4, means that there is effectively no support for the forwards. Doesn't matter that Krychowiak, Barry and Livermore are all good players. The attack suffers playing all three. After the attacking substitutions in the second half the game changed completly with Brighton on the back foot, but then it was all too late.
The answer to conceding bad goals is to work on coaching the faults out of the defenders, not just to overload the team with defensive players.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on September 09, 2017, 06:04:14 PM
As I said in the match thread, if your 11 is better than the opposition 11 and you lose 3-1, the tactics and manager has to take the blame
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 09, 2017, 06:09:57 PM
TP is not going anywhere, but he changed the whole defence around to accommodate Jonny. Even Ben looked uncomfortable today. Time to shake up Livermore, and shake out Rondon. Until Burke is up to speed, play McLean on the left for pace and 100% effort. New players need time to integrate with the rest of the squad. No need to panic and lets just make minor adjustments.
And do not be in a rush to offer a massive contract to Jonny Evans, we did alright without him.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on September 09, 2017, 06:15:45 PM
I'm not jumping on the Pulis out train. I hope he learns today though that he can't play with a midfield 3 like that. Rodriguez looked excellent though the middle and is a lynchpin for the midfield and Rondon. Then there's McClean, Burke, Bruntand Chadli that can all come in on the left. Livermore has to be dropped. Nyom can't be left back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on September 09, 2017, 06:20:31 PM
Quote from: lewisant on September 09, 2017, 06:15:45 PM
I'm not jumping on the Pulis out train. I hope he learns today though that he can't play with a midfield 3 like that. Rodriguez looked excellent though the middle and is a lynchpin for the midfield and Rondon. Then there's McClean, Burke, Bruntand Chadli that can all come in on the left. Livermore has to be dropped. Nyom can't be left back.

Don't think anyone has said that. Forgot we aren't allowed to criticise here
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 09, 2017, 06:20:53 PM
Think Pulis likes having 3 main set piece targets and that's a big reason why Dawson will get picked every time at RB when Evans and Hegazi or G-Mac are fit for the CB spots.
Nyom wouldn't have the same set piece threat as Dawson so it's Dawson every time for TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on September 09, 2017, 06:48:49 PM
Quote from: Adder on September 09, 2017, 06:20:53 PM
Think Pulis likes having 3 main set piece targets and that's a big reason why Dawson will get picked every time at RB when Evans and Hegazi or G-Mac are fit for the CB spots.
Nyom wouldn't have the same set piece threat as Dawson so it's Dawson every time for TP.

Thought Nyom helped create more of an attacking threat when he moved to right side. Our best centre backs are now Dawson and Evans. As we have at long last a proper left back, I'd like Gibbs to keep his place. Still think Brunt deserves a place, but I would make him compete for a place with Burke. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on September 09, 2017, 07:01:15 PM
We all know how we are going to play, set up for 0 0 and after 70 mins if we are winning or drawing bring on more defenders or losing try and play some football. We need to look for a replacement as this is awful
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 09, 2017, 07:20:12 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 09, 2017, 05:07:18 PM
Pulis got it wrong today. Overly defensive team with not enough decent footballers in it.


Something will have to give regards Dawson and Livermore imo for any real style of play improvements to happen.


But at the end of the day the defenders have let him down, something he never really has to account for.
When will the penny drop there will never be any real style of play improvements he only knows how to play one way.
We have brought in a couple of better players so you might get a slightly better form of Pulisball but the tactics will always be the same no matter who we play set out not to concede and see what we can nick along the way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 09, 2017, 07:23:27 PM
Sorry to disappoint a few but TP will be here until his contract runs out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on September 09, 2017, 07:48:37 PM
Why oh why people flood the in game chat and after match chat with Pulis out and taxi for Pulis I have no idea. There is more chance the Titanic coming back up to the surface and sailing into New York than our owner and board firing him. Its all they want is prem football. They dont care how they get it, its all they want. We have to give him a chance to work with these new players. Today was a stinker without a doubt and he got it all wrong, but he wont be the first manager or last manager to do that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 09, 2017, 07:53:47 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on September 09, 2017, 07:20:12 PM
When will the penny drop there will never be any real style of play improvements he only knows how to play one way.
We have brought in a couple of better players so you might get a slightly better form of Pulisball but the tactics will always be the same no matter who we play set out not to concede and see what we can nick along the way.
my biggest problem is your post hurts because I believe it to be correct.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 09, 2017, 07:59:09 PM
He had every chance to move us on today, but he bottled it. We have had the easiest start to many seasons of the past. How many chances does he need?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on September 09, 2017, 08:04:24 PM
His tactics won't change away from home. Statistically he probably wants to win eleven games to stay up with a few draws thrown in. To do this he targets about three or four away wins. With his tatics of sitting back he feels statistically he will get these by law of averages. He was the same at stoke. The majority of his points came at home. Why is anyone surprised by his tactics I'll never know. He won't change
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on September 09, 2017, 08:13:43 PM
I'd liked to have seen us play the entire game from how we did after the attacking substitutions were made. We might still have made the same individual defensive errors, but at least we would also have created alot more goal chances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 09, 2017, 08:26:04 PM
Have we got the most ultra defensive coaches in the league with pulis and megson? Thought we would get something out of game with personal at their disposal. Surprised that rondon started after coming back from South America and would have just changed Hegazi with Evans in back four
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 09, 2017, 08:30:42 PM
Time will tell but it could be that his quest for the club to provide a better quality of player may well be his undoing . He has raised expectations and put himself under pressure.  We have a couple of intelligent footballing brains in Evans and Barry plus others with a decent pedigree you aren't going to keep kidding them with shape shape shape in training with boring set piece work and a defensive mindset in games they need more,  the squad needs more . Pulis ball with a poverty stricken squad works but with a bigger squad we shall see .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 09, 2017, 08:31:07 PM
Matters not what players we sign sadly, he will never change. Always nice to be proven right, but for the fact he will be here for at least another year I wish I'd been wrong for the sake of my weekend entertainment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 09, 2017, 08:47:38 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on September 09, 2017, 07:20:12 PM
When will the penny drop there will never be any real style of play improvements he only knows how to play one way.
We have brought in a couple of better players so you might get a slightly better form of Pulisball but the tactics will always be the same no matter who we play set out not to concede and see what we can nick along the way.
It's not quite as cut and dried as 'only knows how to play one way'. Before the Leicester away win last year we were in a similar mode, then at Leicester we played a bit more football (playing through the pitch as Pulis calls it). I've generally been supportive of Pulis but I want to see that intent to play a bit of football even if it's in the 26% of the match that we have the ball. There's nothing wrong with setting up to be difficult to score against but how we play when we have the ball does matter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on September 09, 2017, 08:59:10 PM
Pulis will never change his philosophy and that's not a criticism he does what he does. The only surprising thing is people are still surprised when his teams have been playing  the same way for years. Different players and better players will come and go but the end result on the pitch as a spectacle won't change..... although im sure someone will cling to the mythical Palace Pulis that was the same as all the other Pulis' except for a great game against Liverpool
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 09, 2017, 09:04:42 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on September 09, 2017, 08:59:10 PM
Pulis will never change his philosophy and that's not a criticism he does what he does. The only surprising thing is people are still surprised when his teams have been playing  the same way for years. Different players and better players will come and go but the end result on the pitch as a spectacle won't change..... although im sure someone will cling to the mythical Palace Pulis that was the same as all the other Pulis' except for a great game against Liverpool
But for 12 games or so last year we played perfectly decent football and scored goals from open play. Deny it if you want but we've had spells of decent football when the intent is there which is all I ask for - it doesn't require a massive style shift.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on September 09, 2017, 09:22:34 PM
Quote from: Adder on September 09, 2017, 09:04:42 PM
But for 12 games or so last year we played perfectly decent football and scored goals from open play. Deny it if you want but we've had spells of decent football when the intent is there which is all I ask for - it doesn't require a massive style shift.
I think that's why so many people get frustrated, in the past we have had to sacrifice a bit in this league and the championship but we have players now who are capable of winning games ( not leagues ) with a bit of flair. Only my opinion of course
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on September 09, 2017, 09:58:31 PM
Quote from: Topman on September 09, 2017, 08:04:24 PM
His tactics won't change away from home. Statistically he probably wants to win eleven games to stay up with a few draws thrown in. To do this he targets about three or four away wins. With his tatics of sitting back he feels statistically he will get these by law of averages. He was the same at stoke. The majority of his points came at home. Why is anyone surprised by his tactics I'll never know. He won't change

But surely today must have been a game that was targeted for one of these wins (if indeed this is what Pulis does. I'm not convinced). Who else would be better as an opponent to target for an away win?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 09, 2017, 10:17:24 PM
The tactics don't change the outcomes vary but the tactics and approach remain the same. At some point fans have to admit it is the way it is by design not because we lack the quality to do anything else. I never thought his approach would alter against a struggling Brighton side and I am amazed that some fans thought it would be the case.

The notion that when the squad improved the football would improve is one of the great myths. Yes we will get to 40 points because there are enough points to be picked up from teams that don't have the quality or the guile to unpick a deep sitting block and or are a little careless at a set piece. We are better than this,  we are braver than this or at least we should be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 09, 2017, 10:47:29 PM
He is an old man who can't change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 09, 2017, 10:51:55 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on September 09, 2017, 08:31:07 PM
Matters not what players we sign sadly, he will never change. Always nice to be proven right, but for the fact he will be here for at least another year I wish I'd been wrong for the sake of my weekend entertainment

How have you been proven right ?

We have lost 1 game this season today and we were shocking. Yes Pulis made mistakes with his selection especially given the players have had a couple of training sessions together at best with Rondon possibly not getting back until Friday after playing for his country.

How about hang on a few weeks at least before starting the "proved right" comments, yes we know you don't like him you've made it pretty clear.

Today his mistakes were playing Hegazi and Evans together when they've barely trained together given the "injury" to Evans and them him going off to play for his country, he should have started with Dawson and Evans but I guess wihen McAuley is fit he will return with Dawson rightly going back to right back where despite a few moans on here he's done an excelletn job. Brunt should have been at left back and should until Gibbs gets upto speed given his lack of fitness. Livermore should have made way from the midfield to allow Barry and Krychowiak with Morrison behind Rodriguez given Rondons late return from international duty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 09, 2017, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 09, 2017, 10:51:55 PM
How have you been proven right ?

We have lost 1 game this season today and we were shocking. Yes Pulis made mistakes with his selection especially given the players have had a couple of training sessions together at best with Rondon possibly not getting back until Friday after playing for his country.

How about hang on a few weeks at least before starting the "proved right" comments, yes we know you don't like him you've made it pretty clear.

Today his mistakes were playing Hegazi and Evans together when they've barely trained together given the "injury" to Evans and them him going off to play for his country, he should have started with Dawson and Evans but I guess wihen McAuley is fit he will return with Dawson rightly going back to right back where despite a few moans on here he's done an excelletn job. Brunt should have been at left back and should until Gibbs gets upto speed given his lack of fitness. Livermore should have made way from the midfield to allow Barry and Krychowiak with Morrison behind Rodriguez given Rondons late return from international duty.
Almost to the letter, I think a problem we do have is that teams coming up against us will be more than aware of what team will start(we as fans try and have a go but we always pick who we "want") and therefore be able to set up accordingly i.e. They won't need height in their left forward channel, just pace etc
I'm not a TP fan, but some are in to him before the whistle goes
All teams have a bad day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 09, 2017, 11:23:59 PM
Why wait until we are 3-0 down to pick a team that could attack and actually obtain a positive result. He's had 5 transfer windows has been backed more than any other manager, this is his squad and his team.

3 defensive midfielders only 1 one winger. A striker wasted on left wing.
Dawson playing right back and nyom on the left. No outlets no real pace or imagination.

We are an "established" premier league outfit and yet we are going to Brighton trying not to lose. If we had gone there and tried to win we probably would have.

Regardless on the personnel we have we will get just over 40 points we won't be nice to watch all season and we won't pull up any trees in either cup. Pulis has hit his level as he did at stoke. We won't progress until he's gone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on September 10, 2017, 02:05:22 AM
For me he has to take the blame for the result yesterday 3 slow holding midfielders is not acceptable in a game we should be looking to win. For me this should of been the team


                                      Foster
            Nyom.      Dawson     Evans    Gibbs

                              Barry     Krychowiak

           Phillips                                             Burke
           
                                    Rodriguez/Chadli
   
                                     Rondon/Rodriguez
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jharman292 on September 10, 2017, 08:20:16 AM
Big worry for me now is the middle of the park. One of Barry, Krychowiak or Livermore have to drop out for a more attack minded Morrison or Chadli, however i just dont see it.

Barry is a certain starter. Krychowiak will not be sitting on our bench and rightly so and i just can not see him dropping Livermore who has been an ever preseant since his arrival and has since broke into the England side. Ultimately if he doesn't sort this problem, we will continue to struggle.

He also has to make decisions on defense, he has a genuine right back in Nyom, 4 CBs competing and a genuine left back in Gibbs. There is no longer any excuse for square pegs in round holes. We have these players, time to use them in their right position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2017, 08:47:35 AM
Sounds like Pulis has had a go at them for 'not being at it'. Maybe there was a touch of complacency from thinking our squad is that much stronger than before the window and we were playing Brighton. There may have been one or two tired legs also from the internationals.
The team should always be 'at it' but sport doesn't quite work that way. We need to see what the reaction is to this defeat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on September 10, 2017, 08:53:03 AM
Wrong selection for me. Literally everyone i spoke to before and during game was saying the same line up. Odd that the manager couldn't see it ...

                                                         Foster

Nyom                           Dawson                           Evans (c)                Gibbs


                                              Gregg            Barry


      Phillips                                                                               McClean/Burke
                                               Moz/Livermore/Chadli

                                                         Jrod
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2017, 08:58:31 AM
Said it above Pulis likes having his 3 threats from set pieces.....Hegazi/Gmac, Evans and Dawson. With the three of them it's difficult for teams to predict what's going to happen at set pieces and to stop it.
Whatever you might want at RB, Dawson will remain there because of this - he gets on the end of things with no thought for his own safety.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:36 AM
he could have played a forward player instead of a defender if his insistence on aerial threats are the reason behind shifting the defence around so much.

chadli is 6ft 2
all the below are 6ft or over so how much height is needed, we had more than enough yesterday, he took the option to go defensive when a positive move could have been made playing a more threatening team with a forward player instead of moving a settled defence around to accommodate Evans.

krychowiak
barry
nyom
evans
rondon
brunt
burke
rodriguez
dawson
hegazi
McAuley
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2017, 09:35:57 AM
It's not all about height - you're not suggesting Chadli would get on the end of things with no thought for his own safety in the way that Dawson does ?

That's what I'm talking about -  3 defenders who are powerful in the air and get on the end of things - that's what TP likes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 10, 2017, 09:38:30 AM
Quote from: Adder on September 10, 2017, 09:35:57 AM
It's not all about height - you're not suggesting Chadli would get on the end of things with no thought for his own safety in the way that Dawson does ?

That's what I'm talking about -  3 defenders who are powerful in the air and get on the end of things - that's what TP likes.
the three defenders you mention didn't get on the end of anything either, so what was to lose by being more positive playing a forward player instead of a defender.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on September 10, 2017, 09:38:56 AM
Fairly pro Pulis though do get frustrated with him in games like yesterday when he's more concerned about the home team than putting pressure on them with our attacking players/formation.
Yesterday he really was to blame with an unbalanced shambles of a selection and what seemed a poorly prepared group.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 10, 2017, 09:50:16 AM
He's had enough windows now and been backed enough to get players he wants in... Yet we are going to a team who was still to score in this league, setting up to try not to lose.

Not really a fan of pulis but everytime I get a little bit of hope in him, he goes and sets us up worse than my 11 year old sister could for no clear reason whatsoever.

People can try and make excuses and 'theories' for him, but the facts are he has reached his maximum potential with us (same as he did with stoke).

We will be spending our seasons watching dire football 90% of the season with the odd good display which papers over the cracks and getting knocked out the cups in the early rounds.

No one with any common sense is expecting a big cash injection and us to win the league.... but atleast attempting to win a football match would be a big positive (which we won't hardly see with pulis).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2017, 11:09:12 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 10, 2017, 09:38:30 AM
the three defenders you mention didn't get on the end of anything either, so what was to lose by being more positive playing a forward player instead of a defender.
I'm not saying I agree with it but it's the way TP operates...the 3 mentioned (with GMac as one of the 3 ) have got on the end of plenty in the last couple of years. It's easy to say well we could have done this and that after the event.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 10, 2017, 11:10:40 AM
2 out of 10. i doubt your performance will not get past 5. the sooner hes gone the better
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 10, 2017, 11:56:55 AM
Just a bad day at the office for me, nothing to panic about. We've got some new players in who need to settle, TP still needs to find out his best team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 10, 2017, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 10, 2017, 11:56:55 AM
Just a bad day at the office for me, nothing to panic about. We've got some new players in who need to settle, TP still needs to find out his best team.

The excuses are getting boring now.

Regardless of what his best team is... we all know that Pulis will pick his team based on his favourites and not quality or form.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on September 10, 2017, 12:37:50 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 10, 2017, 11:10:40 AM
2 out of 10. i doubt your performance will not get past 5. the sooner hes gone the better

Well you're going to be disappointed for a while then
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2017, 12:38:11 PM
One match since the window....one match
Let's not over react
Do I think we could have set up differently ?......yes
Would most of us gone more attacking? ..........yes

Are any of us prem managers?.......no
Does Pullis have all the blame for yesterday?........no

He has his way, he is in charge so we see what happens next, lots on here contradicting that new players should have come in but Evans should not because we were on a run etc
He is paid to make decisions, he made some they didn't come off, I think he knows the mid 3 is an issue and I'd be surprised if he didn't change it next time out ...but just because we had a good window doesn't mean we have to suddenly win every match, in real terms we may have only got our selves where we should have been 2 years ago..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on September 10, 2017, 12:38:53 PM
Can I ask why no one who wants him gone has never got a pulis out song going ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 10, 2017, 12:47:39 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2017, 12:38:11 PM
One match since the window....one match
Let's not over react
Do I think we could have set up differently ?......yes
Would most of us gone more attacking? ..........yes

Are any of us prem managers?.......no
Does Pullis have all the blame for yesterday?........no

He has his way, he is in charge so we see what happens next, lots on here contradicting that new players should have come in but Evans should not because we were on a run etc
He is paid to make decisions, he made some they didn't come off, I think he knows the mid 3 is an issue and I'd be surprised if he didn't change it next time out ...but just because we had a good window doesn't mean we have to suddenly win every match, in real terms we may have only got our selves where we should have been 2 years ago..

It's not over reacting, its seeing whats in front of our very own eyes.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 10, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
one thing i dont do a critisize whilst at a match, my moans and groans will only be social media. i was cringing when we got tony pulis song early on. stuck right in the middle of them :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 10, 2017, 01:56:23 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 09, 2017, 10:51:55 PM
How have you been proven right ?

We have lost 1 game this season today and we were shocking. Yes Pulis made mistakes with his selection especially given the players have had a couple of training sessions together at best with Rondon possibly not getting back until Friday after playing for his country.

How about hang on a few weeks at least before starting the "proved right" comments, yes we know you don't like him you've made it pretty clear.

Today his mistakes were playing Hegazi and Evans together when they've barely trained together given the "injury" to Evans and them him going off to play for his country, he should have started with Dawson and Evans but I guess wihen McAuley is fit he will return with Dawson rightly going back to right back where despite a few moans on here he's done an excelletn job. Brunt should have been at left back and should until Gibbs gets upto speed given his lack of fitness. Livermore should have made way from the midfield to allow Barry and Krychowiak with Morrison behind Rodriguez given Rondons late return from international duty.

Fair points and not spoiling for an argument, but my being proven right comment was more for he fact that we have had, in my mind, a fairly successful transfer window for the first time in years in terms of bolstering our attacking options, yet he still reverts to type with team selection, three central defenders and a right back at left back and three defensive midfielders. I appreciate those who feel he can change because we had a few games last season where Matty Phillips became a world beater and we were ruthless off set pieces, but I've seen very little in the three years he has been here now to show me that the style of play will ever improve.

Yes we beat Bournemouth and Burnley but I felt we didn't play particularly well in either of those, just relatively solid at the back against two teams who didn't lose much of a threat going forward. Jay Rod had plenty of shots out of nothing to bolster the stats against Bournemouth, Ben Mee missed an absolute sitter for Burnley and HRK did very well to finish a long punt upfield in a game that could easily have gone the other way. I thought we were absolutely awful against Stoke and have a Nyom wonder cross to thank for us taking the lead in that one as we offered nothing.

Time will tell how we evolve moving forward, but how much time can be given? Three years have already passed, there can be no excuses in terms of options available to him now, it's his choice not to select a Morrison/Chadli ahead of Livermore to make us more of an attacking side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on September 10, 2017, 03:58:41 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2017, 12:38:11 PM
One match since the window....one match
Let's not over react
Do I think we could have set up differently ?......yes
Would most of us gone more attacking? ..........yes

Are any of us prem managers?.......no
Does Pullis have all the blame for yesterday?........no

He has his way, he is in charge so we see what happens next, lots on here contradicting that new players should have come in but Evans should not because we were on a run etc
He is paid to make decisions, he made some they didn't come off, I think he knows the mid 3 is an issue and I'd be surprised if he didn't change it next time out ...but just because we had a good window doesn't mean we have to suddenly win every match, in real terms we may have only got our selves where we should have been 2 years ago..

sorry but TP definitely has to take the blame for yesterday!

terrible selection, wrong formation, square pegs in round holes, mind numbingly negative, hopeless use of subs, TAXI
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2017, 05:06:54 PM
Quote from: we8seals on September 10, 2017, 03:58:41 PM
sorry but TP definitely has to take the blame for yesterday!

terrible selection, wrong formation, square pegs in round holes, mind numbingly negative, hopeless use of subs, TAXI
And by definition he then must take the credit for the previous matches this season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 10, 2017, 05:10:04 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2017, 05:06:54 PM
And by definition he then must take the credit for the previous matches this season?

No no it doesn't work like that. If we win then we should have won 5-0 by playing total football.

 :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 10, 2017, 05:35:07 PM
Quote from: we8seals on September 10, 2017, 03:58:41 PM
sorry but TP definitely has to take the blame for yesterday!

terrible selection, wrong formation, square pegs in round holes, mind numbingly negative, hopeless use of subs, TAXI

Agree with everything apart from this (and the taxi bit). The subs were the one good thing yesterday at least we started to attack once Morrison, Burke and Gibbs were on and we went to what should be our starting back 4 of Nyom, Dawson, Evans and Gibbs.

 He maybe could have brought McClean on instead of Burke and we wouldn't have lost anything pace wise or he could have brought Brunt on who (usually) plays a better ball into the box but we would have lost  any pace on that side. Swings and roundabouts for me.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 10, 2017, 06:00:43 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2017, 05:06:54 PM
And by definition he then must take the credit for the previous matches this season?

saw plenty of times people that don't particularly like him, give him credit on here. The problem is, some people on here don't see any wrong or bad doing in him and if he is criticised people don't like it and start moaning.

The problem is that he had no reason at all to set us up like we were some newly promoted team that was struggling to get a draw against a top 3 team... when in reality we had a team full of confident players that were unbeaten came back from a successful international break going into a very winnable game against a newly promoted team that's struggled to get their season started.... for him to set us up how he did.

He is an experienced premier league manager/coach.... there is no genuine reason for why he got it so wrong yesterday (and it ain't even a one off.... it's abit of an habit with him that is papered over by the odd good performance and the odd scrappy 1-0 wins).

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2017, 06:15:58 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 10, 2017, 06:00:43 PM
saw plenty of times people that don't particularly like him, give him credit on here. The problem is, some people on here don't see any wrong or bad doing in him and if he is criticised people don't like it and start moaning.

The problem is that he had no reason at all to set us up like we were some newly promoted team that was struggling to get a draw against a top 3 team... when in reality we had a team full of confident players that were unbeaten came back from a successful international break going into a very winnable game against a newly promoted team that's struggled to get their season started.... for him to set us up how he did.

He is an experienced premier league manager/coach.... there is no genuine reason for why he got it so wrong yesterday (and it ain't even a one off.... it's abit of an habit with him that is papered over by the odd good performance and the odd scrappy 1-0 wins).
There are the ones who will hear no good, the ones who will hear no bad and the people in the middle..
These one nil wins which you say paper over the cracks, that is what he does, that has always been his M.O
I'm not saying he didn't make errors, but if he plays the same 11 and we win 1-0 there's a lot less moaning and we were top 3
As a fan I don't want him there because I pay to see entertainment, if I won the lottery tomorrow and brought the club (to run as a business) would I keep him...God yes
He never steers from his chosen path, this has brought him an unblemished "never been relegated " and sorter outer reputation....which is what we needed..

He now has a 28m midfielder, England internationals and genuine pace, if he doesn't use them correctly AND we don't get the results...the chairman will act.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on September 10, 2017, 06:50:52 PM
I'm Tony's biggest critic, previous posts will show that. However, I'm happy to point out when he has surpassed my expectations and again, previous posts prove that.

However, how anybody can defend him yesterday is beyond belief.

We would laugh had the Villa gone to Brighton today, picked the team we did and lost 3-1. If Wolves went there like we did we'd be calling them boring.

We spent years slating Stoke under him and everybody knows that none of us respected him for his style of play.

With the squad we have now, does anybody truly believe Pulis is the only man who can keep us up? The only man who can get us to 40 points before the end of March?

Whether it was Silva, Howe, Hodgson, Monk, Rodgers, bleeding Pepe Mel, we would still be staying up. We do not need to put such a negative, defensive team out against a newly promoted side, irrespective of being home or away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 10, 2017, 08:22:24 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2017, 06:15:58 PM
There are the ones who will hear no good, the ones who will hear no bad and the people in the middle..
These one nil wins which you say paper over the cracks, that is what he does, that has always been his M.O
I'm not saying he didn't make errors, but if he plays the same 11 and we win 1-0 there's a lot less moaning and we were top 3
As a fan I don't want him there because I pay to see entertainment, if I won the lottery tomorrow and brought the club (to run as a business) would I keep him...God yes
He never steers from his chosen path, this has brought him an unblemished "never been relegated " and sorter outer reputation....which is what we needed..

He now has a 28m midfielder, England internationals and genuine pace, if he doesn't use them correctly AND we don't get the results...the chairman will act.

Will he though?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on September 10, 2017, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on September 10, 2017, 08:22:24 PM
Will he though?
Only IF we were to be relegated, otherwise we bump along happily getting the Premier/Greed league money windfall every year. There is no ambition in the game any more, players used to want to win things but now as long as your in the prem and getting the cash, no one gives a f**k !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 10, 2017, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: Greenock Baggie on September 10, 2017, 08:29:15 PM
Only IF we were to be relegated, otherwise we bump along happily getting the Premier/Greed league money windfall every year. There is no ambition in the game any more, players used to want to win things but now as long as your in the prem and getting the cash, no one gives a f**k !!!
As depressing as it is true. How do we get back our football?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 10, 2017, 10:45:40 PM
Quote from: timdon on September 10, 2017, 10:19:58 PM
As depressing as it is true. How do we get back our football?

I'm guessing knocking on Pulis' door and saying
'please Mister can we have our football back?' isn't going to do it.

 ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2017, 11:05:29 PM
Seriously. Is this going to happen after every defeat?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 11, 2017, 12:06:58 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2017, 11:05:29 PM
Seriously. Is this going to happen after every defeat?

Would suggest more likely after every tepid, nondescript performance we put in, which the last two have been.

No excuse for him getting the team selection so badly wrong on Saturday. Sad thing is, I predicted prior to the weekend that it was exactly what he would do, he's that predictable
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hillsm on September 11, 2017, 12:10:59 AM
Out of interest does anyone know how many players Brighton had away on international duty during the break compared to us? If they had significantly fewer players away then that would mean they were better prepared for the game than us and would go some way to explain why some of our lads "weren't up for it".

Pulis didn't help himself though by making sweeping changes to our back line.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on September 11, 2017, 12:19:42 AM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2017, 06:15:58 PM
if I won the lottery tomorrow and brought the club (to run as a business) would I keep him...God yes

If I won the lottery and bought the club, he would be gone before the ink was dry on my receipt.

Quote from: hillsm on September 11, 2017, 12:10:59 AM
Out of interest does anyone know how many players Brighton had away on international duty during the break compared to us?

I thought I heard Pulis say in an interview "they" had none away
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 11, 2017, 12:52:27 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on September 11, 2017, 12:06:58 AM
Would suggest more likely after every tepid, nondescript performance we put in, which the last two have been.

No excuse for him getting the team selection so badly wrong on Saturday. Sad thing is, I predicted prior to the weekend that it was exactly what he would do, he's that predictable


Burnley away was dreadful... none of this though...


It's every time we don't pick up 3 points (Not a given right against anyone in this division) and it's extremely tiresome.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on September 11, 2017, 06:26:30 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 11, 2017, 12:52:27 AM

Burnley away was dreadful... none of this though...


It's every time we don't pick up 3 points (Not a given right against anyone in this division) and it's extremely tiresome.

Not as tiresome as watching the match on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jefferson on September 11, 2017, 06:33:42 AM
As well as the Megson appointment went down it showed Pulis is stuck in his ways. If he wanted to step oout of his comfort zone he'd have got a more attacking or pragmatic coach in to replace Kemp.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 11, 2017, 06:48:39 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 11, 2017, 12:52:27 AM

Burnley away was dreadful... none of this though...


It's every time we don't pick up 3 points (Not a given right against anyone in this division) and it's extremely tiresome.

Yes it was but somehow we won and therefore nothing else much matters apparently. The reaction is in part due to the fact that fans kid themselves that Pulis will change, he won't. Equally defeat legitmises the criticism.

Brighton away a fully fit squad, struggling opposition and fans wrongly expect that he might try to win the game and are disappointed that he just tried to shut up shop like he does every week on the road and often at home. Personally I'm not because I know he won't change and have long ago given up watching us away from home other than on TV, it's too pathetic to bother with.

The moral of the story is fans will tolerate winning ugly (just) but quickly lose patience with losing ugly. This is why Pulis has a limited shelf life and in answer to your question this will happen after every defeat, it is tiresome but then again so is Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 11, 2017, 06:54:33 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 11, 2017, 12:52:27 AM

Burnley away was dreadful... none of this though...


It's every time we don't pick up 3 points (Not a given right against anyone in this division) and it's extremely tiresome.

When do you think the last time we lost was not a tiresome experience of having to put up with no possession or few shots. Derby in the cup?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 11, 2017, 07:34:09 AM
Had to laugh at reading this thread post Brighton.

We lost a game for reasons unbeknown to us all. Complacency? Too many squad changes? Tactical set up? The kit? ......

I didn't see the game in full so I will bow to those who did. What I do know is that the last two goals were soft, and the second one in particular Foster could have thrown his cap on it. That is hardly TP's fault.

On 01/09/17 TP and the staff were being roundly congratulated for a 'stellar' transfer window, and now he has to go apparently.

We lost a game, lets move on. I am quite sure that TP will remind them all in no uncertain terms today and we will be a different unit come Saturday. It could be worse, you could support Palace or Spam or Bournemouth......or a midlands championship side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 11, 2017, 07:45:53 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 11, 2017, 12:52:27 AM

Burnley away was dreadful... none of this though...


It's every time we don't pick up 3 points (Not a given right against anyone in this division) and it's extremely tiresome.
If you look back at my posts after Burnley I was extremely critical of the performance and noted how lucky we were. I'm many things, but I am at least consistent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on September 11, 2017, 07:46:31 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 11, 2017, 07:34:09 AM
Had to laugh at reading this thread post Brighton.

We lost a game for reasons unbeknown to us all. Complacency? Too many squad changes? Tactical set up? The kit? ......

I didn't see the game in full so I will bow to those who did. What I do know is that the last two goals were soft, and the second one in particular Foster could have thrown his cap on it. That is hardly TP's fault.

On 01/09/17 TP and the staff were being roundly congratulated for a 'stellar' transfer window, and now he has to go apparently.

We lost a game, lets move on. I am quite sure that TP will remind them all in no uncertain terms today and we will be a different unit come Saturday. It could be worse, you could support Palace or Spam or Bournemouth......or a midlands championship side.

The team selection was his fault. You mention the window which is right, but he left the 'Rolls Royce' did he call him? left back on the bench! I read an article about TP thinking Gibbs needs to 'bulk up' a bit with the conditioning coaches. What a load of rubbish. The lads an experienced lb who has played for one of the top 6 teams in the country his hole career, Champions League and for England, yet he gets to the Albion and 'oh he's too lightweight' ?? Nah, not having that. He should have started, everyone knows it, so does Pulis hence the early change second half. I'd like to think Livermore's days are numbered too. I'm not saying Mozza is the answer and i've been a critic for a while of him but Livermore Barry and Gregg all play a similar role so pointless playing the 3 together. This result was down to Foster having an off day and poor selection imo. Nothing more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on September 11, 2017, 02:33:31 PM
Interesting comments from the manager: "The half-time team talk was that I thought we were on the back foot and waiting for things to happen. We passed the football around in areas that we were never going to hurt Brighton. We were playing backwards, square, sidewards and across. We needed our forwards to get more of the ball to cause them more problems which we never did."

Who would have thought three defensive midfielders who don't like to carry the ball or play between the lines would pass the ball backwards and square between themselves and the defenders? Particularly when their only target in front of them is one isolated striker playing without any ability or confidence.

Interesting that he referred to our "forwards", I recall us playing Rondon by himself who was useless. I not sure who the other imaginary forwards were as Rodriquez and Phillips spent a lot of time holding hands with the full backs.

His comments on Burke were also disturbing: "He cost us a little bit with the third goal actually, trying to back-heel it in our final third and they broke and scored from that"

Perhaps if Burke had played it safe and played it sideways and backwards, i.e. the very style he criticised that wouldn't have happened? You can't send a winger on to change the game and then criticise them for trying to be inventive in the final third. Not to mention we were already 2-0 down and Brighton had a lot to do to score, poor defending to allow the cross in at all, poor from Evans not to cover the front post run and poor from Foster to allow the ball to squirm in, although a good header to give Brighton some credit.

Two points
1) A fair few have assumed that with more options and competition we will play better football and score a few more. I'm actually concerned we might get worse as I don't trust the manager with his team selection. For example without Yacob the defence are more exposed, the Brighton second goal being a classic example but I can't see Pulis willing to drop Barry, Mr PSG or Livermore. Equally without Brunt were probably less effective from corners and free kicks but he's been dropped as well. So the extra options in the team may results in us getting worse not better! Conversely over a long season with injuries etc we might not drop of as badly as last year so it might even itself out.

2) Style of play, the manager insists on a ultra negative shape, insists on playing a back ten effectively deep in their own half. That hasn't changed since he starting out in management in 1992, it's not going to change now. So far, it's going exactly as it always does, played 4, scored 3, 7 points; although flattered by an easy run of fixtures.

I have zero confidence that the football, selection or tactics will improve but fully expect us to hit a circa 45 points playing dreadful football and nicking 1-0 wins with goals from corners. Be interesting to see how long the crowd are willing to put up with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on September 11, 2017, 02:50:46 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on September 11, 2017, 02:33:31 PM
Interesting comments from the manager: "The half-time team talk was that I thought we were on the back foot and waiting for things to happen. We passed the football around in areas that we were never going to hurt Brighton. We were playing backwards, square, sidewards and across. We needed our forwards to get more of the ball to cause them more problems which we never did."

Who would have thought three defensive midfielders who don't like to carry the ball or play between the lines would pass the ball backwards and square between themselves and the defenders? Particularly when their only target in front of them is one isolated striker playing without any ability or confidence.

Interesting that he referred to our "forwards", I recall us playing Rondon by himself who was useless. I not sure who the other imaginary forwards were as Rodriquez and Phillips spent a lot of time holding hands with the full backs.

His comments on Burke were also disturbing: "He cost us a little bit with the third goal actually, trying to back-heel it in our final third and they broke and scored from that"

Perhaps if Burke had played it safe and played it sideways and backwards, i.e. the very style he criticised that wouldn't have happened? You can't send a winger on to change the game and then criticise them for trying to be inventive in the final third. Not to mention we were already 2-0 down and Brighton had a lot to do to score, poor defending to allow the cross in at all, poor from Evans not to cover the front post run and poor from Foster to allow the ball to squirm in, although a good header to give Brighton some credit.

Two points
1) A fair few have assumed that with more options and competition we will play better football and score a few more. I'm actually concerned we might get worse as I don't trust the manager with his team selection. For example without Yacob the defence are more exposed, the Brighton second goal being a classic example but I can't see Pulis willing to drop Barry, Mr PSG or Livermore. Equally without Brunt were probably less effective from corners and free kicks but he's been dropped as well. So the extra options in the team may results in us getting worse not better! Conversely over a long season with injuries etc we might not drop of as badly as last year so it might even itself out.

2) Style of play, the manager insists on a ultra negative shape, insists on playing a back ten effectively deep in their own half. That hasn't changed since he starting out in management in 1992, it's not going to change now. So far, it's going exactly as it always does, played 4, scored 3, 7 points; although flattered by an easy run of fixtures.

I have zero confidence that the football, selection or tactics will improve but fully expect us to hit a circa 45 points playing dreadful football and nicking 1-0 wins with goals from corners. Be interesting to see how long the crowd are willing to put up with it.

He's a p***k for saying that in public. The lad's a young, exciting winger, what does he expect. This is criticism  he should be saying to Burke alone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 11, 2017, 03:03:47 PM


I'm happy that the players we have bought are an improvement on last year, however it will be telling to see if Pulis has the footballing knowledge to utilize them correctly. I'm going to go with Pulis has found his level of technical ability in Pulis ball. It's not pretty but very effective at this level, and will keep us up.

With the signings he has made will he will be able to accommodate a system which allow better players more time on the ball and more flair in the game? Some of his comments on the new signings are down right bizarre and look to me as if he is trying to undermine players confidence already to get his excuses for more of the same. I can handle a 3-1 loss to Brighton if it's a sign that we will start seeing some 3-0 wins at home.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 11, 2017, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on September 11, 2017, 03:03:47 PM

I'm happy that the players we have bought are an improvement on last year, however it will be telling to see if Pulis has the footballing knowledge to utilize them correctly. I'm going to go with Pulis has found his level of technical ability in Pulis ball. It's not pretty but very effective at this level, and will keep us up.

With the signings he has made will he will be able to accommodate a system which allow better players more time on the ball and more flair in the game? Some of his comments on the new signings are down right bizarre and look to me as if he is trying to undermine players confidence already to get his excuses for more of the same. I can handle a 3-1 loss to Brighton if it's a sign that we will start seeing some 3-0 wins at home.

He did the same for so many years at stoke, it's also not the first time he has done it about players at our club and the fans.

We have to just put up with it and keep turning up because no one else on the planet would be able to keep us in the greed league where we are lucky to win games because we have a mastermind running the show.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 11, 2017, 07:34:21 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on September 11, 2017, 02:33:31 PM
Interesting comments from the manager: "The half-time team talk was that I thought we were on the back foot and waiting for things to happen. We passed the football around in areas that we were never going to hurt Brighton. We were playing backwards, square, sidewards and across. We needed our forwards to get more of the ball to cause them more problems which we never did."

Who would have thought three defensive midfielders who don't like to carry the ball or play between the lines would pass the ball backwards and square between themselves and the defenders? Particularly when their only target in front of them is one isolated striker playing without any ability or confidence.

Interesting that he referred to our "forwards", I recall us playing Rondon by himself who was useless. I not sure who the other imaginary forwards were as Rodriquez and Phillips spent a lot of time holding hands with the full backs.

His comments on Burke were also disturbing: "He cost us a little bit with the third goal actually, trying to back-heel it in our final third and they broke and scored from that"

Perhaps if Burke had played it safe and played it sideways and backwards, i.e. the very style he criticised that wouldn't have happened? You can't send a winger on to change the game and then criticise them for trying to be inventive in the final third. Not to mention we were already 2-0 down and Brighton had a lot to do to score, poor defending to allow the cross in at all, poor from Evans not to cover the front post run and poor from Foster to allow the ball to squirm in, although a good header to give Brighton some credit.

Two points
1) A fair few have assumed that with more options and competition we will play better football and score a few more. I'm actually concerned we might get worse as I don't trust the manager with his team selection. For example without Yacob the defence are more exposed, the Brighton second goal being a classic example but I can't see Pulis willing to drop Barry, Mr PSG or Livermore. Equally without Brunt were probably less effective from corners and free kicks but he's been dropped as well. So the extra options in the team may results in us getting worse not better! Conversely over a long season with injuries etc we might not drop of as badly as last year so it might even itself out.

2) Style of play, the manager insists on a ultra negative shape, insists on playing a back ten effectively deep in their own half. That hasn't changed since he starting out in management in 1992, it's not going to change now. So far, it's going exactly as it always does, played 4, scored 3, 7 points; although flattered by an easy run of fixtures.

I have zero confidence that the football, selection or tactics will improve but fully expect us to hit a circa 45 points playing dreadful football and nicking 1-0 wins with goals from corners. Be interesting to see how long the crowd are willing to put up with it.
Pulis will blame anyone and anything except himself, if he came out and said I got it wrong today all my fault we will sort it by the next game I might think a bit more of him, then again!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on September 11, 2017, 09:47:28 PM
I rate TP but I felt he got it wrong with his selection Saturday, it invited Brighton on to us and soon as our luck ran out and they scored it was game over as we didn't have the players to threaten them especially with their first goal bounce and surge of confidence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on September 12, 2017, 09:43:10 AM
As I see it the style is never going to change and in actual fact in the PL there are very few teams who really try to win from the start. It's just that TP has had some moderate success with the way he sets up and will continue with that as long as he's in management.
What is really annoying is that we go to Brighton looking to get (or save) a point when we should have gone looking to get all 3. The other issue is that we're not that brilliant at defending and do concede regularly. The problem with that is we don't look like getting an equaliser very often so a draw is out of the question and we don't often get 2. If we go 1 up it's a miracle but we don't press and get another (or not that often) so have then conceded late to lose 2 points.
When Giles was with us he instilled a mentality that could win games 1-0 and also take draws when not playing well - which wasn't that often then. We didn't appear to concede many daft goals at that time and defended well. We weren't considered boring or serving up dross either.
Italian teams have played defensively for years and been successful, the only difference is they can defend and have strikers who take the 1 or 2 chances they get.
Management is not easy but it's not really a science - play your best players in their best positions!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 12, 2017, 10:22:51 AM
Where does this win 1-0 idea come from? Last season we won 12 games, we won 2 of them 1-0 (Palace away, Stoke at home) we won 6 of the remaining 10 games by scoring 3 or more goals including 2 games where we scored 4 (West Ham and Burnley).

Yes the football can be dire and hard to watch but the facts don't bear out the fantasy that we set up to win 1-0. yes we set up primarily to not concede, but you don't lose if you don't concede. The problem lies when we do concede and are so defensive that we don't look like scoring (like Saturday pre substitutions).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 12, 2017, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on September 12, 2017, 10:22:51 AM
Where does this win 1-0 idea come from? Last season we won 12 games, we won 2 of them 1-0 (Palace away, Stoke at home) we won 6 of the remaining 10 games by scoring 3 or more goals including 2 games where we scored 4 (West Ham and Burnley).

Yes the football can be dire and hard to watch but the facts don't bear out the fantasy that we set up to win 1-0. yes we set up primarily to not concede, but you don't lose if you don't concede. The problem lies when we do concede and are so defensive that we don't look like scoring (like Saturday pre substitutions).

First goal is crucial for us. I would love to see the stats of how many times under TP we have come back to win after going behind, I'm sure there have been a few but I cannot remember too many. When we do concede first, you just do not feel like we are going to get back into it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 12, 2017, 10:43:19 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on September 12, 2017, 10:26:47 AM
First goal is crucial for us. I would love to see the stats of how many times under TP we have come back to win after going behind, I'm sure there have been a few but I cannot remember too many. When we do concede first, you just do not feel like we are going to get back into it.

Since he's been here we have come back to win 4 times (3 last season: Soton away, Hull and Bournemouth at home, and at home to Arsenal in 15/16).
We have come back to draw on 10 occasions since January 14/15.

I always dread the opposition scoring first but especially away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 12, 2017, 10:49:53 AM
Crikey, didn't realise it was that grim in terms of wins from a losing position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 12, 2017, 10:51:07 AM
To be fair it's probably similar for the teams around us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on September 12, 2017, 11:19:24 AM
Yes the football can be dire and hard to watch but the facts don't bear out the fantasy that we set up to win 1-0. yes we set up primarily to not concede, but you don't lose if you don't concede. The problem lies when we do concede and are so defensive that we don't look like scoring (like Saturday pre substitutions).


This is exactly what I was getting at - not that we set up to win but actually set up not to lose. I understand that may be a bit picky and it's a results driven industry but in essence 1 win and 2 defeats gets more points than 2 draws and a defeat. I am also concerned that our set up doesn't play to our strengths. We have kept clean sheets this season but lets be fair they were not against the better clubs and now we concede not 1 but 3 against a team struggling to score. Everyone has bad days.
Having watched 90 minutes of star studded rubbish last night I would hope we will set up to win from the start on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on September 12, 2017, 06:24:18 PM
I don't want to get too negative, as we have not had a bad start to the season. However, part of me wonders if we would have had a better result against Brighton if we had played a pretty much settled team that had played so far this season. All players knowing their role and who they are playing alongside. All of a sudden, new players in and people who were injured into the fold all at once. Not sure if Tone has handled this in the best way. He's not saft though, surely he'll have noticed this. My worry is that more choice can lead to more errors.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 12, 2017, 08:07:17 PM
I'll be fair to Pulis, we don't actually win a lot of games 1-0.

We only kept 6 clean sheets last season, so that was 32 times we would have needed to score twice to win the game. :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on September 12, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
I decided to actually look at the data for this, so here is how our premier league games under TP have gone:

Albion have scored:Opposition have scored:
0 goals
34
28
1 goal
37
33
2 goals
18
20
3 goals
6
12
4 goals
2
4

So we've not scored in 35% of our games and we've scored more than 1 in less than 26% of our games. I don't know how these numbers compare to other teams though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on September 12, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: wbawill on September 12, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
I decided to actually look at the data for this, so here is how our premier league games under TP have gone:

Albion have scored:Opposition have scored:
0 goals
34
28
1 goal
37
33
2 goals
18
20
3 goals
6
12
4 goals
2
4

So we've not scored in 35% of our games and we've scored more than 1 in less than 26% of our games. I don't know how these numbers compare to other teams though.

99 PL games as West Brom's manager and his teams have scored 101 goals, given up 126.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on September 12, 2017, 11:43:19 PM
I'm not a fan of TP but I also accept he is the team manager at this time. He makes the personnel decisions and creates the tactics we play by.
That being said, he has assembled possibly the strongest squad of a generation and yet the team that was put out to face Brighton was as defensive minded as possible. If you are playing against an opponent in poor form and lacking points I think you should be playing an attacking line up especially after the early successes in our first three matches.
There is no way you will win matches without creative players or players that can actually score goals in the line up. Also it is very poor management skill to directly name and criticize an individual for a mistake when the whole team performance was woeful. TP the team performance is a reflection of your team selection and tactics. Keep this up and you will have the Hawthorns calling for your head.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chipperclark on September 13, 2017, 07:41:04 AM
 ;D We have had 1 off day...come on we have 7 points from 4 games. If we keep this ratio going we will accumulate 66 points and be in top six position.

Honestly, some people on here need a BIG REALITY CHECK!!!! Can we give the "new" players a couple of weeks to settle into the "Pulis" system.

I notice Fozz is getting a roasting for his performance.....He is an International goalkeeper and probably got us 10 points last season with his saves.

I couldn't see him at fault with any of the goals...the old saying you got to get through 10 men to get to the Keeper.

Oh! by the way I was a keeper for 50 years,so I belong to the Keepers Union.

Give Pulis time to get them to gel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 13, 2017, 11:30:03 AM
Is he'll still here, another negative ineffective performance coming up this Saturday , good job he ain't working for palace, he would back in the garden by now . It's depressing football ay it . He's very lucky the boardroom are just happy making money , they obviously ain't fussed about the style
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on September 13, 2017, 11:49:22 AM
Hey Devon,would you sooner play open expansive football and possibly lose and be relegated or a steady progression of quality players which hopefully would result in better football and an almost certain retention of premier league football.
I prefer the latter,sometimes it gets worse before it gets better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RuncornBaggie on September 13, 2017, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on September 12, 2017, 10:49:53 AM
Crikey, didn't realise it was that grim in terms of wins from a losing position.

It would be interesting to see the rest of the divisions stats on this?

Could anyone on here look at getting this data?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 13, 2017, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: RuncornBaggie on September 13, 2017, 12:11:06 PM
It would be interesting to see the rest of the divisions stats on this?

Could anyone on here look at getting this data?

Looks like we were joint 4th in Febuary last year. This is a comparison of total points not wins from a losing position.

https://talksport.com/football/revealed-top-11-clubs-have-won-most-points-losing-positions-premier-league-160301186655
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 13, 2017, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on September 13, 2017, 12:29:12 PM
Looks like we were joint 4th in Febuary last year. This is a comparison of total points not wins from a losing position.

https://talksport.com/football/revealed-top-11-clubs-have-won-most-points-losing-positions-premier-league-160301186655

Problem with such things being that the likes of Man City, Chelsea etc don't go behind very often.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 13, 2017, 12:35:22 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on September 13, 2017, 11:49:22 AM
Hey Devon,would you sooner play open expansive football and possibly lose and be relegated or a steady progression of quality players which hopefully would result in better football and an almost certain retention of premier league football.
I prefer the latter,sometimes it gets worse before it gets better.
The tactics don't change regardless of personnel, so it probably won't get worse, nor will it get much better, it will just stay the same.
He gradually brought in better players at Stoke but it had little effect on style, points or league position.
His best finish was 11th with 47 points, Hughes finished 9th with 50 in his first season. Not saying Hughes is a better manager or plays open, expansive football, just pointing out that moving on from Pulis does not necessarily mean a downturn and certainly doesn't guarantee relegation.

What you see is what you get with Pulis, he makes no apologies for it, why would he, it works.
All we have to do is decide if we want to pay to watch it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hillsm on September 13, 2017, 01:52:09 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on September 13, 2017, 12:35:22 PM
The tactics don't change regardless of personnel, so it probably won't get worse, nor will it get much better, it will just stay the same.
He gradually brought in better players at Stoke but it had little effect on style, points or league position.
His best finish was 11th with 47 points, Hughes finished 9th with 50 in his first season. Not saying Hughes is a better manager or plays open, expansive football, just pointing out that moving on from Pulis does not necessarily mean a downturn and certainly doesn't guarantee relegation.

What you see is what you get with Pulis, he makes no apologies for it, why would he, it works.
All we have to do is decide if we want to pay to watch it.


He also took Stoke to an FA cup final and had a respectable European and domestic campaign the following season. How many times do you hear the old adage that a club that size can't compete on two fronts due to the lack of resources? The fact that they were in Europe probably did mean that their league form suffered, but not to the extent that they were ever threatened by relegation, which in my opinion is an understated achievement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 13, 2017, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: hillsm on September 13, 2017, 01:52:09 PM

He also took Stoke to an FA cup final and had a respectable European and domestic campaign the following season. How many times do you hear the old adage that a club that size can't compete on two fronts due to the lack of resources? The fact that they were in Europe probably did mean that their league form suffered, but not to the extent that they were ever threatened by relegation, which in my opinion is an understated achievement.
Yes and he employed the same tactics in both of those competitions.
Not saying they don't work, they clearly do, but nor are they the only way.
You pays ya money and takes ya choice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on September 13, 2017, 02:19:50 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on September 13, 2017, 12:35:22 PM
The tactics don't change regardless of personnel, so it probably won't get worse, nor will it get much better, it will just stay the same.
He gradually brought in better players at Stoke but it had little effect on style, points or league position.
His best finish was 11th with 47 points, Hughes finished 9th with 50 in his first season. Not saying Hughes is a better manager or plays open, expansive football, just pointing out that moving on from Pulis does not necessarily mean a downturn and certainly doesn't guarantee relegation.

What you see is what you get with Pulis, he makes no apologies for it, why would he, it works.
All we have to do is decide if we want to pay to watch it.

So what changed when he was Crystal Palace? I could watch that team for days. Tore us a new one from memory.........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on September 13, 2017, 02:31:10 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on September 13, 2017, 02:19:50 PM
So what changed when he was Crystal Palace? I could watch that team for days. Tore us a new one from memory.........
Not that much to be honest mate.
He turned them around and yes they had some decent attacking players who hit form, a bit like us mid last season, but I don't think tactically he did anything different.
I'm sure someone will have relative stats though so I stand to be corrected.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on September 13, 2017, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on September 13, 2017, 12:29:12 PM
Looks like we were joint 4th in Febuary last year. This is a comparison of total points not wins from a losing position.

https://talksport.com/football/revealed-top-11-clubs-have-won-most-points-losing-positions-premier-league-160301186655

Doesn't count though. Surely there's too many variables??  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 13, 2017, 06:23:38 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on September 13, 2017, 11:49:22 AM
Hey Devon,would you sooner play open expansive football and possibly lose and be relegated or a steady progression of quality players which hopefully would result in better football and an almost certain retention of premier league football.
I prefer the latter,sometimes it gets worse before it gets better.
We lose anyway playing dire football, if we had a  go at playing football you never know we might just surprise a few teams!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 13, 2017, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: albion59 on September 13, 2017, 06:23:38 PM
We lose anyway playing dire football, if we had a  go at playing football you never know we might just surprise a few teams!

We won the first three games of the season  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on September 13, 2017, 07:32:59 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 13, 2017, 06:34:17 PM
We won the first three games of the season  ;)

Agreed, if we were laid these cards in the table at the start of the season, we'd have all taken them. I honestly believe that Tony realises he messed up v Brighton - but feel he thought he could 'shoehorn' our three defensive midfielders into our team. After all, were paying the wages of a 30 mil pound player so he's going to need to be seen....logic would dictate. I completely understand some people's frustrations...but we know what to expect with a Pulis team....maybe he may just strike the right formula before too long! Obviously for a non top six team🤔😉
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 13, 2017, 08:31:56 PM
Quote from: chipperclark on September 13, 2017, 07:41:04 AM
;D We have had 1 off day...come on we have 7 points from 4 games. If we keep this ratio going we will accumulate 66 points and be in top six position.

Honestly, some people on here need a BIG REALITY CHECK!!!! Can we give the "new" players a couple of weeks to settle into the "Pulis" system.

I notice Fozz is getting a roasting for his performance.....He is an International goalkeeper and probably got us 10 points last season with his saves.

I couldn't see him at fault with any of the goals...the old saying you got to get through 10 men to get to the Keeper.

Oh! by the way I was a keeper for 50 years,so I belong to the Keepers Union.

Give Pulis time to get them to gel.

The reality is people are going to work all week to pay their hard earned cash to see a bag of sh*te for no real reason when its clear we now have more balance and quality in the squad... so you have to expect people to moan and complain... its within their rights to.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 13, 2017, 11:11:35 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 13, 2017, 08:31:56 PM
The reality is people are going to work all week to pay their hard earned cash to see a bag of sh*te for no real reason when its clear we now have more balance and quality in the squad... so you have to expect people to moan and complain... its within their rights to.

I 100% agree.

Add to this, it wasn't "a day off", that will happen, as will bad luck. What Pulis did was go against a team who hadn't yet scored in 3 previous matches and set a team out with a hodge-podge defence and 3 defensive midfielders in-front of them.

The worst part is i honestly think thats his go to team:



LW (probably JRod )                                        Rondon or HRK                                     Phillips






                                        Barry                    Grego                  Livermore



I genuinely think he thinks he can't not play those 3 central lads, so Chadli/Mozza/Brunt are going to be incredibly limited for game time.

If we score more than 42 goals this season i'm be amazed.

I'm just sick of him   :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 13, 2017, 11:42:13 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on September 13, 2017, 11:11:35 PM
I 100% agree.

Add to this, it wasn't "a day off", that will happen, as will bad luck. What Pulis did was go against a team who hadn't yet scored in 3 previous matches and set a team out with a hodge-podge defence and 3 defensive midfielders in-front of them.

The worst part is i honestly think thats his go to team:



LW (probably JRod )                                        Rondon or HRK                                     Phillips






                                        Barry                    Grego                  Livermore



I genuinely think he thinks he can't not play those 3 central lads, so Chadli/Mozza/Brunt are going to be incredibly limited for game time.

If we score more than 42 goals this season i'm be amazed.

I'm just sick of him   :'(


Oddly enough I wouldn't have a problem with 3 fairly robust central midfielders if we were ever going to play a genuine 3 up top with attacking wide players who tended to come inside in support of the central striker, particularly if this allowed the full backs the opportunity to overlap.

The problem is out of possession (which in our case is typically between 60% and 70% of most games) the wingers sit deep in support of the full backs and in possession the full backs seldom get ahead of the wingers.

We almost have the personnel for it if one of the central midfielders was a genuine deep sitting play maker we would be good to go.

However you know that is never going to happen with Pulis in charge, forget I ever mentioned it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on September 16, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
I guess the embarssing anti pulis gang will be out tonight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 16, 2017, 06:04:10 PM
Damn right, we're absolute sh1te. Even if we'd won that 1-0 with a last minute goal.

Terrible performances against Bournemouth, Burnley, Stoke, Brighton and West Ham.

Don't defend the indefensible
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 16, 2017, 06:06:03 PM
Quote from: Topman on September 16, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
I guess the embarssing anti pulis gang will be out tonight

Yes, those who want more than what is currently being provided are embarrassing  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 16, 2017, 06:35:04 PM
Quote from: Topman on September 16, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
I guess the embarssing anti pulis gang will be out tonight
It's not a matter of being Anti Pulis, what I have just watched is anti football, shocking in 50 years of watching football that is one of the worst games I have ever seen!! :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on September 16, 2017, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: albion59 on September 16, 2017, 06:35:04 PM
It's not a matter of being Anti Pulis, what I have just watched is anti football, shocking in 50 years of watching football that is one of the worst games I have ever seen!! :(




Whilst today was a dreadful game where Albion played poorly does anyone really think he sends us out to play so poorly. Some of the comments after games on here are a joke. Today's I've seen shambolic and worst I've ever seen. These people obviously don't remember losing at home five to crew or being two up and losing in the last ten mins to Swansea. And before anyone says, yes but it's entertainment, you lot wanting a return to Mowbray football will be the first to moan when we have lost by about 4 today under him or we were winning with 5 to go and lose. I've seen a comment saying today, I wish we were back in the champ. does anyone really want that. I'm going to smacked how some of our fans have become
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 16, 2017, 06:48:32 PM
Quote from: Topman on September 16, 2017, 06:42:52 PM



Whilst today was a dreadful game where Albion played poorly does anyone really think he sends us out to play so poorly. Some of the comments after games on here are a joke. Today's I've seen shambolic and worst I've ever seen. These people obviously don't remember losing at home five to crew or being two up and losing in the last ten mins to Swansea. And before anyone says, yes but it's entertainment, you lot wanting a return to Mowbray football will be the first to moan when we have lost by about 4 today under him or we were winning with 5 to go and lose. I've seen a comment saying today, I wish we were back in the champ. does anyone really want that. I'm going to smacked how some of our fans have become

Yes, because if we got rid of Pulis, we would automatically be losing 4 nil at home to West Ham  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 16, 2017, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: Topman on September 16, 2017, 06:42:52 PM



Whilst today was a dreadful game where Albion played poorly does anyone really think he sends us out to play so poorly. Some of the comments after games on here are a joke. Today's I've seen shambolic and worst I've ever seen. These people obviously don't remember losing at home five to crew or being two up and losing in the last ten mins to Swansea. And before anyone says, yes but it's entertainment, you lot wanting a return to Mowbray football will be the first to moan when we have lost by about 4 today under him or we were winning with 5 to go and lose. I've seen a comment saying today, I wish we were back in the champ. does anyone really want that. I'm going to smacked how some of our fans have become

The standard pro-Pulis response that.

If we don't like Pulis then we must be gagging for Mowbray-style/relegation!

I don't mind counter attacking football but to be an effective counter attacking you need to be able to counter attack.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 16, 2017, 06:59:23 PM
No Pulis doesn't send his team out to play badly but the overwhelming negativity that permeates through the side is down to him. We aren't a counter attacking team when we turnover the ball there is seldom ever a quick break we don't even look for it when the ball is in Foster's hands.

I am not disappointed anymore I don't expect anything else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 16, 2017, 07:07:42 PM
its a shame its going a bit negative after what seemed a good start and a decent transfer window, there was an air of expectancy but in truth we still have the same problems creating and scoring goals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on September 16, 2017, 07:14:11 PM
He's run his course. Get rid now. Our new pre match song should be walk the dinosaur
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 16, 2017, 07:16:38 PM
Let's hope his days are numbered. Shocking what Ever it's called , it's not the beautiful game that's for sure. They are his players , you have games to prove you can turn us into a better footballing team ,continue playing this way and he must go. He was good to keep us up when he came and that should have been it. He served his purpose. Whoever gets him next I pity you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on September 16, 2017, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 16, 2017, 07:07:42 PM
its a shame its going a bit negative after what seemed a good start and a decent transfer window, there was an air of expectancy but in truth we still have the same problems creating and scoring goals.
Its funny that at the start it was all "we need players in quick" and "all we have is Rodriguez and some Egyptian nobody" and we won 2 games.  Now we've done the spending and we can't score and we can't win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on September 16, 2017, 07:23:29 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 16, 2017, 07:16:38 PM
Let's hope his days are numbered. Shocking what Ever it's called , it's not the beautiful game that's for sure. They are his players , you have games to prove you can turn us into a better footballing team ,continue playing this way and he must go. He was good to keep us up when he came and that should have been it. He served his purpose. Whoever gets him next I pity you

Agreed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on September 16, 2017, 07:23:38 PM
Is Pulis managing Swansea too ?..what a rearguard action...no shots on target either..😂
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 16, 2017, 07:31:55 PM
He took them to Austria for stamina training but forgot about the sprints for when the ball is hoofed aimlessly forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 16, 2017, 07:33:00 PM
Top half of the table and three clean sheets already. Just wait until the team gels, we'll be even better.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 16, 2017, 07:46:29 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 16, 2017, 07:33:00 PM
Top half of the table and three clean sheets already. Just wait until the team gels, we'll be even better.

Wait until we play some half decent teams...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 16, 2017, 07:50:34 PM
Spent millions and still concerned himself with nullifying what the opposition are doing .

Yes the new players are bedding in but it's an insult to his own players intelligence and capabilities if this mentality continues long term .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 16, 2017, 07:56:46 PM
Two and a half years ago the Pulis lovers said give him time to get his own players in before judging the football.

This is now his squad and he's had 6 transfer windows.

The football is worse than ever. Now what?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 16, 2017, 08:14:55 PM
I'm not so sure

I think we all know/agree that most previous transfer windows have not been great, add in of course the Saido debacle..

Back to where we are now, I genuinely think we will play better and the players will be let of the leash, but it is massive that after spending and changing the squad so drastically there is settlement,palace have changed their manager 3 times in a dozen games, they are "more attacking" they have no points and no goals....but more importantly confidence is shot....non of our players will need counselling at this stage , halfway up the league and pretty secure at the back

I don't like TP, but he's no ones fool..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: P Anderson on September 16, 2017, 08:17:51 PM
Quote from: Topman on September 16, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
I guess the embarssing anti pulis gang will be out tonight

I guess the embarrassing pro pulis gang will go missing tonight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 16, 2017, 08:21:52 PM
The Pulis haters are back after going missing in August  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 16, 2017, 08:26:10 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 16, 2017, 08:21:52 PM
The Pulis haters are back after going missing in August  ::)

Yes, I did indeed swerve this forum for the month of August...oh wait.

Could I ask people to stop throwing the 'Pulis haters' returning and in the same manner, 'Pulis lovers' will be hiding now comments. They offer absolutely nothing and just make you look like an idiot to be quite frank. Can we just debate what we have seen like grown ups?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on September 16, 2017, 09:01:14 PM
Bournemouth, burnly, Stoke and Brighton we played pretty awful and now he has somehow made it worst?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on September 16, 2017, 09:09:16 PM
I've seen the Pulis haters suggest that Redknapp should replace him  :o Tells you all you need to know about them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 16, 2017, 09:10:02 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 16, 2017, 09:09:16 PM
I've seen the Pulis haters suggest that Redknapp should replace him  :o Tells you all you need to know about them.
linky please?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 16, 2017, 09:12:22 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 16, 2017, 09:09:16 PM
I've seen the Pulis haters suggest that Redknapp should replace him  :o Tells you all you need to know about them.

The awful posts keep on coming tonight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 16, 2017, 09:15:33 PM
Pulis haters because the guy has sucked the football out our club and bored us completely to the point where people are giving up on going because of him?

Not sure what's worse, the football we are getting under pulis or the comments from the guys who can't take their tongue out of his ar*e like we are not allowed an opinion on him.  ::)

Always said from the said that I will give him chance... but its got to the stage now where i just can't be bothered to attend games or even check the scores for that matter!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 16, 2017, 09:27:09 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 16, 2017, 09:09:16 PM
I've seen the Pulis haters suggest that Redknapp should replace him  :o Tells you all you need to know about them.
What do you mean all you need to know about them? I hate Pulis but I wouldn't want Redknapp! Sorry No I don't hate Pulis I hate his anti football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 16, 2017, 09:30:21 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 16, 2017, 09:09:16 PM
I've seen the Pulis haters suggest that Redknapp should replace him  :o Tells you all you need to know about them.

Agree'd, it tells you that we still have some fans with their eyes open in regards to pulis (not sure i agree about being replaced by redknapp though!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on September 16, 2017, 09:38:41 PM
Hey guys,that was a very difficult game to watch for me today.
How can some very good prem players put in such an unadventurous performance like that? I was so disappointed .
Their defence,such as it was,must have thought they were on their holidays,we had no invention,no guile not much pace and no goal threat,I only can remember 2 attempts on goal,at home fgs.
I like Gibbs he will be a great player for us.
How many times daws  got forward you could count on one hand.
The Egyptian was poor.
This great Pole of ours,was he on the pitch?
Was jimmy playing?
Phillips,well what can I say?
Jrod,tried his best but was on his own.
Brunty,was Brunty.
I won't comment on the way whu play the game if you don't mind.
Why didn't TP change it at half time?
Rondon up front Jrod number 10, jimmy off.
Their defence didn't even break sweat.
The ref? How long has he been in the job?
So disappointing  anyway I look forward to an easier nextatch,Arsenal away!
Not a happy baggy today I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 16, 2017, 09:41:05 PM
Would like to see the same starting team start next match.

That should be a good enough team to create chances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 16, 2017, 09:43:19 PM
People need to realise that if you want Pulis out of this club then you, by default, want us to either play like Man City/get relegated/lose 4-3 every game (delete as applicable).

There is no middle ground. There is no way you can survive in the league WITHOUT Pulis in charge. It is impossible to be good in defence and attack, you can only be one.

Wheres the sarcastic emoji.

Pulis out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 16, 2017, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on September 16, 2017, 09:09:16 PM
I've seen the Pulis haters suggest that Redknapp should replace him  :o Tells you all you need to know about them.

Pulis haters probably want De Boer to replace him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 16, 2017, 09:51:52 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 16, 2017, 09:48:30 PM
Pulis haters probably want De Boer to replace him.

Why would we want De Boer? Complete opposite end to the spectrum for the players we have.

This is what does my head in, pro-Pulis supporters who think that if you want Pulis out then you must also want us to try and play beautiful football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 16, 2017, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 16, 2017, 09:48:30 PM
Pulis haters probably want De Boer to replace him.

We are poor in the middle of the field, poor in attack and poor defensively (see Brighton for example)

How could De Boer possibly be any worse than pulis?!

Not saying I would want him to replace him, but I would take Mr Bean right now!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 16, 2017, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 16, 2017, 09:53:09 PM
We are poor in the middle of the field, poor in attack and poor defensively (see Brighton for example)

How could De Boer possibly be any worse than pulis?!

Not saying I would want him to replace him, but I would take Mr Bean right now!

Poor defensively we've got three clean sheets  :o

No manager could do a better job than Pulis results wise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 16, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on September 16, 2017, 09:51:52 PM
Why would we want De Boer? Complete opposite end to the spectrum for the players we have.

This is what does my head in, pro-Pulis supporters who think that if you want Pulis out then you must also want us to try and play beautiful football.

Surely that's the argument why you want rid of him? To play beautiful football? It certainly can't be due to lack of results or getting the best out of the team. Pulis has done a superb job since coming in, our squad is loads better than it was when he took over and we look nowhere near relegation since he's been here. Today's game was dross, but the performances will get better. We have to be patient and wait for it to click.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 16, 2017, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 16, 2017, 09:56:22 PM
Poor defensively we've got three clean sheets  :o

No manager could do a better job than Pulis results wise.

Three clean sheets against teams that haven't had a real go at us and when a team does we concede 3!

Comical. Can you take me to watch the games you've been watching? because these west brom games are boring the sh*t out of me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 16, 2017, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 16, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
Surely that's the argument why you want rid of him? To play beautiful football? It certainly can't be due to lack of results or getting the best out of the team. Pulis has done a superb job since coming in, our squad is loads better than it was when he took over and we look nowhere near relegation since he's been here. Today's game was dross, but the performances will get better. We have to be patient and wait for it to click.

So there are only two types of football? beautiful and boring as hell?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 16, 2017, 10:09:58 PM
I dont know if i am clinging to my only positive from today that we are still a work in progress, we have new players still settling in.

However the other side of me cant help but think back to Pulis's final days at Stoke when he had better players but if anything they got worse as more was expected.

I think 8 points from 5 games all against average opposition (we are average too) with three of those games at home is not really enough, however we are the sort of team who will go an get an point or three somewhere we dont expect.

Today was one of the worst games i can recall in my 30 years of going, seen some hammerings in those days but for some reason the whole game, how bad we were, how bad West Ham were, how bad the ref was just combined to make today one of the least enjoyable games i have ever seen.

My dad has been going 74 years, he is the most optimistic Albion fan i know, he dont care who we play, he fancies us to get something but today i said after the game do you fancy the Man City game wednesday and he said no, he didnt think he could put up with anymore like today and would rather have a break for a couple of weeks til the Watford game which is a shame.

I think what i found frustrating is last week vs Brighton and today, this is probably the best all round squad i can remember in my 30 years of going, we have players i could only ever dream of us having previously, international players, multi million pound fees, players on over £50k a week.

Yet to watch us the last two weeks our inability to keep the ball is staggering, i dont ever want us to pass for the sake of it (ie - like Bournemouth did vs us first game of the season) but when we have everyone behind the ball, then a 30 yard gap to the centre forward its worrying, our passing was again atrocious today and we no longer have the likes of Gardner, Olsson, who with all due respect were not great actual footballers, We now have some really technical skilful players but i worry that they will eventually be moulded in a way that they dont get to show it.

I would imagine after the next four games (a month or so away) when we are a quarter of the way through the season i would expect to see us improve performance wise which should lead to better results, two or three chances created in total the last two home games vs Stoke and West Ham isnt good enough.

Every team has to keep improving, we arent going to change massively but with the quality of players we now have we now have no excuse not to progress our way of playing, first half vs Bournemouth would of taken that performance every week, but since then its been tedious. (Burnley was a good professional performance)

Worryingly today there were people leaving the ground after 75 minutes then on 80 minutes its a mass walkout, our away followings we are taking the smallest allocations yet with the squad we have these should be exciting times.

Its over to Pulis now, like i say the above is a judgement on the last few games so too early to judge but come end of October it will be interesting to see where we are and how the team is playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 16, 2017, 10:10:59 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on September 16, 2017, 10:03:07 PM
So there are only two types of football? beautiful and boring as hell?
In the last 15 years or so what team meets your dreams of playing "beautiful and defending" without  huge money backing them?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 16, 2017, 10:18:47 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on September 16, 2017, 10:10:59 PM
In the last 15 years or so what team meets your dreams of playing "beautiful and defending" without  huge money backing them?

I've never said i want us to play a beautiful and defensive game, i've never even said i want us to play beautiful football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 17, 2017, 09:51:58 AM
Quote from: Legend on September 16, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
Surely that's the argument why you want rid of him? To play beautiful football? It certainly can't be due to lack of results or getting the best out of the team. Pulis has done a superb job since coming in, our squad is loads better than it was when he took over and we look nowhere near relegation since he's been here. Today's game was dross, but the performances will get better. We have to be patient and wait for it to click.
When is the penny going to drop we are two and a half years down the line and we dish out a performance like that worse than the Villa 0-0 at home the season they went down.
 We might get the odd performance now and again but it will be by luck more than anything else because Pulis's tactics will never change it doesn't matter if we have better players or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 17, 2017, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on September 17, 2017, 09:51:58 AM
When is the penny going to drop we are two and a half years down the line and we dish out a performance like that worse than the Villa 0-0 at home the season they went down.
 We might get the odd performance now and again but it will be by luck more than anything else because Pulis's tactics will never change it doesn't matter if we have better players or not.

When we hit form last season these were some of the results.

West Brom 4 West Ham 2
West Brom 4 Burnley 0
West Brom 3 Watford 1
West Brom 3 Swansea 1
West Brom 3 Hull 1
West Brom 3 Arsenal 1
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on September 17, 2017, 11:59:12 AM
Quote from: Legend on September 17, 2017, 11:18:03 AM
When we hit form last season these were some of the results.

West Brom 4 West Ham 2
West Brom 4 Burnley 0
West Brom 3 Watford 1
West Brom 3 Swansea 1
West Brom 3 Hull 1
West Brom 3 Arsenal 1
Not a bad return..............6 games out of nearly 100 !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 17, 2017, 12:14:51 PM
Quote from: Greenock Baggie on September 17, 2017, 11:59:12 AM
Not a bad return..............6 games out of nearly 100 !!!
also that those 6 games equated to 48% of our goals scored all season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 17, 2017, 12:20:05 PM
Also the away wins at Leicester and Southampton we played some good stuff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: reynirver on September 17, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
Key word is courage, and Pulis is lacking it.
3 points to be taken yesterday but he didn't have the stomach for it. Like for like substitutions and no attempt what so ever to grab the victory.

What frustrates me is that we've seen throughout his time at club.
Glimpses of excitement are far to much between.

I don't wan't to call for his head, I just wished he would go out his way more and show some nuts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 17, 2017, 04:55:36 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on September 16, 2017, 10:18:47 PM
I've never said i want us to play a beautiful and defensive game, i've never even said i want us to play beautiful football.
You said this. "So there are only two types of football? beautiful and boring as hell?"
And I asked you a question. "In the last 15 years or so what team meets your dreams of playing "beautiful and defending" without  huge money backing them?"
You did not reply so like me you don't know?
As most are fighting relegation or plying their trade in lower divisions.
Pulis does a job.Some games good some poor some awful.
But he gets the job done. In my experience of being a Baggie it was forever so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on September 17, 2017, 05:15:45 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on September 17, 2017, 04:55:36 PM
You said this. "So there are only two types of football? beautiful and boring as hell?"
And I asked you a question. "In the last 15 years or so what team meets your dreams of playing "beautiful and defending" without  huge money backing them?"
You did not reply so like me you don't know?
As most are fighting relegation or plying their trade in lower divisions.
Pulis does a job.Some games good some poor some awful.
But he gets the job done. In my experience of being a Baggie it was forever so.

In recent times Leicester, Southampton, Bournemouth and Swansea have all played good stuff and got results
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 17, 2017, 05:30:51 PM
Quote from: kirk on September 17, 2017, 05:15:45 PM
In recent times Leicester, Southampton, Bournemouth and Swansea have all played good stuff and got results
I'd say Leicester have played in a low possession direct style but with the cutting edge of Vardy and Mahrez. Swansea and Bournemouth have developed their style over a number of years in the championship and below - yes they have done it in the prem as well but they have been used to that style.
The Palace de Boer situation shows the difficulty of trying to change style suddenly in the prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on September 17, 2017, 05:38:25 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/09/16/tony-pulis-west-brom-must-improve-in-attack/

Your the coach you sort it out!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on September 17, 2017, 05:46:21 PM
Can anyone make any sense of playing Brunt on the right?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on September 17, 2017, 05:55:48 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on September 17, 2017, 04:55:36 PM
You said this. "So there are only two types of football? beautiful and boring as hell?"
And I asked you a question. "In the last 15 years or so what team meets your dreams of playing "beautiful and defending" without  huge money backing them?"
You did not reply so like me you don't know?
As most are fighting relegation or plying their trade in lower divisions.
Pulis does a job.Some games good some poor some awful.
But he gets the job done. In my experience of being a Baggie it was forever so.

There are loads of examples of teams that try to play decent attacking football, some with, some without huge money.  There is no rule that says to get results you have to have money or play negative boring football. My local team Wycombe Wanderers have played some great football, depending on the manager, with the worst ever when Tony Adams was in charge. Ajax won the European Cup with the majority of the players from their youth or local amateur clubs. The side which reached the Europa Cup Final would have cost no more than many Championship clubs. Frank de Boer tried to play it at Palace, but was expected to turn round their playing style in just 4 games. 
I've never believed that the Pulis way is the only way of getting results. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Canmore Baggie on September 17, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on September 17, 2017, 05:46:21 PM
Can anyone make any sense of playing Brunt on the right?

Only thing I can think is that he was trying to keep it narrow - by forcing Brunt and Phillips to turn inside we wouldn't risk getting stretched wide. Very negative if you ask me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 17, 2017, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: Canmore Baggie on September 17, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
Only thing I can think is that he was trying to keep it narrow - by forcing Brunt and Phillips to turn inside we wouldn't risk getting stretched wide. Very negative if you ask me.
We actually did the same thing last season in our best spell and it worked well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 17, 2017, 06:24:41 PM
Quote from: kirk on September 17, 2017, 05:15:45 PM
In recent times Leicester, Southampton, Bournemouth and Swansea have all played good stuff and got results

Swansea I don't think have played very expressive under Clement nor Southampton last year under Puel.

I think we are just victims of not seeing other mid table teams play a lot to see when they play poor games. I don't think the ratio of bad West Brom games is that much different than what West Ham/Burnely/Stoke/Crystal Palace normally have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 17, 2017, 06:32:15 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 17, 2017, 06:24:41 PM
Swansea I don't think have played very expressive under Clement nor Southampton last year under Puel.

I think we are just victims of not seeing other mid table teams play a lot to see when they play poor games. I don't think the ratio of bad West Brom games is that much different than what West Ham/Burnely/Stoke/Crystal Palace normally have.

The fact that we're nearly always last on MOTD should give everyone a clue as to our current entertainment value
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on September 17, 2017, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 17, 2017, 06:32:15 PM
The fact that we're nearly always last on MOTD should give everyone a clue as to our current entertainment value
True but it also means we don't get hammered...Watford on 1st last night.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on September 17, 2017, 06:40:09 PM
I cannot wait until he is gone, will be up there with my best days supporting this club.

He's sucked the life out of the football club and most of it's supporters, for something that is supposed to be entertainment he has made it feel like a chore to watch us play. I thought he'd turned the corner last season but he reverted to type once we were safe and this season has continued in the same fashion, absolute dross, culminating in two of the worst performances I've ever seen. There is no intent to win games, we play for the 0-0 every game and occasionally scrap a goal from a corner or convert a rare half-chance like HRK against Bournemouth. I'm already losing interest in this season and once we are out of the cups it's season over as far as I'm concerned. How can you get behind a man who brings on Nyom for Gibbs to shut up shop for a 0-0 at home to West Ham?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on September 17, 2017, 07:01:58 PM
Quote from: wba_1996 on September 17, 2017, 06:40:09 PM
I cannot wait until he is gone, will be up there with my best days supporting this club.

He's sucked the life out of the football club and most of it's supporters, for something that is supposed to be entertainment he has made it feel like a chore to watch us play. I thought he'd turned the corner last season but he reverted to type once we were safe and this season has continued in the same fashion, absolute dross, culminating in two of the worst performances I've ever seen. There is no intent to win games, we play for the 0-0 every game and occasionally scrap a goal from a corner or convert a rare half-chance like HRK against Bournemouth. I'm already losing interest in this season and once we are out of the cups it's season over as far as I'm concerned. How can you get behind a man who brings on Nyom for Gibbs to shut up shop for a 0-0 at home to West Ham?

My thoughts exactly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 17, 2017, 07:06:35 PM
You could put Lukaku in Pulis' team and he wouldn't get many chances at goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Canmore Baggie on September 17, 2017, 07:08:20 PM
Quote from: Adder on September 17, 2017, 06:18:47 PM
We actually did the same thing last season in our best spell and it worked well.

Agreed, but it presupposes that a) teams will use 70% possession to bring the game to us and leave gaps to be exploited behind, b) that we can use the wider players to attack with pace, c) that we will have a lone forward that will be able to hold the ball and buy us a critical few seconds, and d) that we will be rock-solid at the back because once behind there is little chance of coming back.

The bigger teams will come at us, and as strong as we can be at the back will usually have the class to get a goal - if they score early we get tanked, if they score late we gallantly lose 1-0. If lesser teams try to kill the game like West Ham yesterday we have no chance of creating so best case is the miserable stalemate we saw. Opposing teams are disabling our outlet - Rondon doesn't have the control to receive the ball with 2 men on him and JRod doesn't have the physicality to hold it - or it appears the spatial awareness to stay onside. And while Phillips has the speed and skill to make it work, Brunt doesn't.

We know the system can work, but it requires everything clicking - as it did for a 3-month spell last year. we need more than just Phillips in the wide role, and we need the Morrison/JRod/Chadli role in the middle to be effective every game - not Mozza's 1-in-4. We also need the opposition to oblige and get sucked into the trap - but I feel this will happen less and less.

It can work. But if it is failing then TP's lack of a Plan B is terrifying.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on September 17, 2017, 07:21:17 PM
I'd love to see Pulis get a job at a top 6 side for 2 reasons:

1. It would be absolute hilarity to see a team of world class players set out like an extremely well-drilled pub side.

2. It would mean that he is no longer managing us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on September 17, 2017, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 17, 2017, 06:24:41 PM
Swansea I don't think have played very expressive under Clement nor Southampton last year under Puel.

I think we are just victims of not seeing other mid table teams play a lot to see when they play poor games. I don't think the ratio of bad West Brom games is that much different than what West Ham/Burnely/Stoke/Crystal Palace normally have.

The quote was in the last 15 years, Southampton were good to watch before Puel and Swansea during Monk and before
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 17, 2017, 07:50:39 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 17, 2017, 11:18:03 AM
When we hit form last season these were some of the results.

West Brom 4 West Ham 2
West Brom 4 Burnley 0
West Brom 3 Watford 1
West Brom 3 Swansea 1
West Brom 3 Hull 1
West Brom 3 Arsenal 1

West Brom 0-0 West Ham
West Brom 1-1 Stoke
West Brom 0-1 Leicester
West Brom 0-1 Southampton
West Brom 0-2 Crystal Palace
West Brom 0-0 Middlesbrough

Some of the worst games I have ever witnessed from us in terms of entertainment. I have excluded us getting utterly destroyed by Everton away last season, Brighton last week, Man City, Spurs and some of the terrible away games we just didn't turn up in, like Watford, Swansea etc.

You're seriously clutching at straws my friend, clinging on to a period where we were extremely clinical and is a mere microcosm in the three year tenure that has been Tony Pulis and some of the worst football I have ever seen us play with some of the most exciting players at his disposal.

I fail to see your point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 17, 2017, 08:17:27 PM
I wish I could say that yesterday was one of the worst games I've seen but I've wiped a lot worse than that from my memory, yes it was poor but certainly not the worst  and Pulis isn't exclusive to providing rubbish matches at the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 17, 2017, 08:41:23 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 17, 2017, 08:17:27 PM
I wish I could say that yesterday was one of the worst games I've seen but I've wiped a lot worse than that from my memory, yes it was poor but certainly not the worst  and Pulis isn't exclusive to providing rubbish matches at the Hawthorns.

We failed to threaten their goal at any stage during the 90 minutes. It was not a thriller.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 17, 2017, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: kirk on September 17, 2017, 07:49:59 PM
The quote was in the last 15 years, Southampton were good to watch before Puel and Swansea during Monk and before

Sure but those are the exceptions and not the norms. And now Swansea are back to playing defensive football after Bob Bradley tried to open them up again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 17, 2017, 08:47:23 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on September 17, 2017, 07:50:39 PM
West Brom 0-0 West Ham
West Brom 1-1 Stoke
West Brom 0-1 Leicester
West Brom 0-1 Southampton
West Brom 0-2 Crystal Palace
West Brom 0-0 Middlesbrough

Some of the worst games I have ever witnessed from us in terms of entertainment. I have excluded us getting utterly destroyed by Everton away last season, Brighton last week, Man City, Spurs and some of the terrible away games we just didn't turn up in, like Watford, Swansea etc.

You're seriously clutching at straws my friend, clinging on to a period where we were extremely clinical and is a mere microcosm in the three year tenure that has been Tony Pulis and some of the worst football I have ever seen us play with some of the most exciting players at his disposal.

I fail to see your point.

If this is the worst football you have seen us play then you are very lucky. I began going to games in the mid 90s and it was much much worse. Maybe we should have a live band before games and a pie eating contest at half time to entertain us all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 17, 2017, 08:54:11 PM
Wait how was that Southampton game so bad? We had 17 shots and 6 on target in that game where their GK played a great game. Unless it's TP fault that Dawson didn't finish a point blank shot in the 93rd minute.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 17, 2017, 08:55:15 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 17, 2017, 08:47:23 PM
If this is the worst football you have seen us play then you are very lucky. I began going to games in the mid 90s and it was much much worse. Maybe we should have a live band before games and a pie eating contest at half time to entertain us all.
what a brilliant idea I love pies!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 17, 2017, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: wba_1996 on September 17, 2017, 06:40:09 PM
I cannot wait until he is gone, will be up there with my best days supporting this club.

He's sucked the life out of the football club and most of it's supporters, for something that is supposed to be entertainment he has made it feel like a chore to watch us play. I thought he'd turned the corner last season but he reverted to type once we were safe and this season has continued in the same fashion, absolute dross, culminating in two of the worst performances I've ever seen. There is no intent to win games, we play for the 0-0 every game and occasionally scrap a goal from a corner or convert a rare half-chance like HRK against Bournemouth. I'm already losing interest in this season and once we are out of the cups it's season over as far as I'm concerned. How can you get behind a man who brings on Nyom for Gibbs to shut up shop for a 0-0 at home to West Ham?




Top post that, couldn't have put it any better
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 17, 2017, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on September 17, 2017, 07:50:39 PM
West Brom 0-0 West Ham
West Brom 1-1 Stoke
West Brom 0-1 Leicester
West Brom 0-1 Southampton
West Brom 0-2 Crystal Palace
West Brom 0-0 Middlesbrough

Some of the worst games I have ever witnessed from us in terms of entertainment. I have excluded us getting utterly destroyed by Everton away last season, Brighton last week, Man City, Spurs and some of the terrible away games we just didn't turn up in, like Watford, Swansea etc.

You're seriously clutching at straws my friend, clinging on to a period where we were extremely clinical and is a mere microcosm in the three year tenure that has been Tony Pulis and some of the worst football I have ever seen us play with some of the most exciting players at his disposal.

I fail to see your point.
You missed the 0-0 draw against the Vile the year they went down that was the night I stopped backing Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 17, 2017, 08:59:35 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 17, 2017, 08:54:11 PM
Wait how was that Southampton game so bad? We had 17 shots and 6 on target in that game where their GK played a great game. Unless it's TP fault that Dawson didn't finish a point blank shot in the 93rd minute.

Even the LC 1-0 loss we had more possessions, more shots and more shots on target. How does that qualify.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 17, 2017, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 17, 2017, 08:59:35 PM
Even the LC 1-0 loss we had more possessions, more shots and more shots on target. How does that qualify.
We LOST don't matter how many shots we have it's the one's that go in that count.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 17, 2017, 09:09:51 PM
Quote from: albion59 on September 17, 2017, 09:03:42 PM
We LOST don't matter how many shots we have it's the one's that go in that count.

I thought he was talking about entertainment? If he went for results orientated than last year was great.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 17, 2017, 09:20:33 PM
Well at the end of the day we have two more seasons of Pulis maybe more if he gets another contract. All we can do is support the team and let him carry on building. Things are looking up for me. These are the good times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 17, 2017, 09:35:33 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 17, 2017, 09:09:51 PM
I thought he was talking about entertainment? If he went for results orientated than last year was great.
No it wasn't great we had a good couple months and 6:good wins the rest was dire.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on September 17, 2017, 10:00:20 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 17, 2017, 09:20:33 PM
Well at the end of the day we have two more seasons of Pulis maybe more if he gets another contract. All we can do is support the team and let him carry on building. Things are looking up for me. These are the good times.

We all know that contracts mean diddly in this day and age in football. I would be shocked if he's still here in two years' time - if I haven't slipped into a coma trying to watch us that is  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 17, 2017, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 16, 2017, 09:48:30 PM
Pulis haters probably want De Boer to replace him.

One guy on an Albion FB group said exactly that

Also said if you are happy to continue with Pulis get out of MY club we dont need fans like you

Safe to say ive left the group the amount of idiots on it was unreal

rubbish game yesterday, played awful.....still 3 wins, 2 draws and a loss this season all comps

You might hate him but he does the job he's asked to do



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 17, 2017, 10:29:33 PM
Why do people keep going on about entertainment?

This is not an entertainment business anymore, its a business plain and simply. Only the fans pull out the entertainments card to justify their posts about the football being dire.

Its not an entertainments business everyone, when you realise that you can stop with the posts stating that!! The arts are for entertainment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on September 17, 2017, 10:36:31 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on September 17, 2017, 10:29:33 PM
Why do people keep going on about entertainment?

This is not an entertainment business anymore, its a business plain and simply. Only the fans pull out the entertainments card to justify their posts about the football being dire.

Its not an entertainments business everyone, when you realise that you can stop with the posts stating that!! The arts are for entertainment

Sorry, that's complete nonsense. Yes, clubs and TV corporations want to make money, just like theatres and cinemas and artists and authors want to. The way they do that is with a product that people want to watch and people will only want to watch it if they enjoy doing so. There may be a few people that are a glutton for punishment but not the majority.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on September 17, 2017, 10:45:02 PM
Averaging less than a goal a game after five fixtures against mid-table and lower half teams isn't good enough. We've also only managed 13 shots on target so far and most of them probably fell on the opening day. The game at the weekend was dire. That didn't surprise me as the previous match against Stoke was also rubbish....following a long long sustained pattern. We are the dullest team in the league and the football is beyond mind numbering it's actually painful to watch. 17 clubs will stay up this season, only 1 is managed by Pulis playing ultra defensive football. This is going to be one hell of a long season and I'd be surprised if the crowd isn't in revolt well before Xmas. The lack of entertainment of the last couple of years has already taken it's toll and I get the sense most fans aren't willing to put up with it for another year, especially after what was seen to be a successful transfer window (although personally I failed to understand the elation at stocking up on midfielders and not signing a quality striker given the lack of options and up front).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 17, 2017, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 17, 2017, 06:32:15 PM
The fact that we're nearly always last on MOTD should give everyone a clue as to our current entertainment value

Sorry but it's not a fact. The fact is the exact opposite, we are hardly ever last on MOTD.

Yes we were very poor but let's not start making "facts" up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 17, 2017, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on September 17, 2017, 04:55:36 PM
You said this. "So there are only two types of football? beautiful and boring as hell?"
And I asked you a question. "In the last 15 years or so what team meets your dreams of playing "beautiful and defending" without  huge money backing them?"
You did not reply so like me you don't know?
As most are fighting relegation or plying their trade in lower divisions.
Pulis does a job.Some games good some poor some awful.
But he gets the job done. In my experience of being a Baggie it was forever so.

And I'm telling you that I never said that I  'dreamed' of us playing beautiful and defensive football. I don't know what point you are trying to make?

The use of question marks after my statements about beautiful and defensive football indicate that I was questioning if they are the only types available. They are not the only two types of football and there are lots of variations in between the two. Some would call them balanced.

If you're trying to say that I want us to play a style of football that would require us to spend hundreds of millions of pounds then you are wrong. I have never said that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on September 17, 2017, 11:01:06 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on September 17, 2017, 10:29:33 PM
Why do people keep going on about entertainment?

This is not an entertainment business anymore, its a business plain and simply. Only the fans pull out the entertainments card to justify their posts about the football being dire.

Its not an entertainments business everyone, when you realise that you can stop with the posts stating that!! The arts are for entertainment

If football is not about entertainment, then we might as well just follow the results on teletext and electronic media.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on September 17, 2017, 11:29:17 PM
bottom line here is though,we have become the new pulis blueprint of the pulis stoke side we all detested,cant wait for the post pulis days myself
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 17, 2017, 11:49:56 PM
Quote from: wbawill on September 17, 2017, 10:36:31 PM
Sorry, that's complete nonsense. Yes, clubs and TV corporations want to make money, just like theatres and cinemas and artists and authors want to. The way they do that is with a product that people want to watch and people will only want to watch it if they enjoy doing so. There may be a few people that are a glutton for punishment but not the majority.

It's not nonsense at all!!

You think it's part of the entertainments business but I can assure you it isn't and it isn't viewed that way by the clubs either

We want to be entertained for sure but the businesses (clubs) aren't bothered by it in the slightest as long as the money pours in from the Premier League and Sky
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 17, 2017, 11:51:17 PM
Quote from: alex1 on September 17, 2017, 11:01:06 PM
If football is not about entertainment, then we might as well just follow the results on teletext and electronic media.

From our point of view it's supposed to be entertainment but the clubs don't care if we are entertained or not
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 18, 2017, 09:30:00 AM
Football as we knew it is of course sadly long gone. As Tom says, entertainment is just a bonus for the powers that be now, they care only about money and marketing.

As a fan though, before I completely lose interest in football, I want more than just staying in the league which generates the big money, I want to actually enjoy my weekends watching my team instead of being thoroughly bored as I was again this Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 18, 2017, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on September 17, 2017, 11:49:56 PM
It's not nonsense at all!!

You think it's part of the entertainments business but I can assure you it isn't and it isn't viewed that way by the clubs either

We want to be entertained for sure but the businesses (clubs) aren't bothered by it in the slightest as long as the money pours in from the Premier League and Sky

And why does the money pour in from Sky? ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on September 18, 2017, 11:39:04 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on September 18, 2017, 09:30:00 AM
Football as we knew it is of course sadly long gone. As Tom says, entertainment is just a bonus for the powers that be now, they care only about money and marketing.

As a fan though, before I completely lose interest in football, I want more than just staying in the league which generates the big money, I want to actually enjoy my weekends watching my team instead of being thoroughly bored as I was again this Saturday.
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I'll second that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on September 18, 2017, 12:37:09 PM
I can't wait for the season to be over already. So annoyed that nothing changes with this bloke in charge. Look at the team we have, look at the names on the team-sheet. Such a strong side and should be playing a nice brand of football. Not becoming a back 6 when we don't have the ball, not leaving a striker isolated with every attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: reynirver on September 18, 2017, 03:35:49 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on September 17, 2017, 11:49:56 PM
It's not nonsense at all!!

You think it's part of the entertainments business but I can assure you it isn't and it isn't viewed that way by the clubs either

We want to be entertained for sure but the businesses (clubs) aren't bothered by it in the slightest as long as the money pours in from the Premier League and Sky

I would guess that there wouldn't be many people paying for cable if there wasn't any entertainment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 18, 2017, 03:59:24 PM
Entertainment 'feeds football' so without it, eventually the number of new fans attracted will dwindle. We have fans around the country / World who watch us today because of our better teams in the past.

We may attract and retain fans today through the premier league brand however, we may not win as many as we could/ should , losing them to the likes of say Bournemouth who current undecided fans may be more attracted to?

Time will tell.............

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 18, 2017, 04:50:53 PM
This tells us what we need to know about dinosaurs and their attitudes to fans

Mick McCarthy: Ipswich boss content to see team do 'horrible things' needed to win

Ipswich Town manager Mick McCarthy has backed his side to keep doing the "horrible things" needed to win games, despite poor crowds at Portman Road.

The Tractor Boys are fifth in the Championship table and have won three out of four league games at home.

But only 14,164 turned for Saturday's 2-0 victory over Bolton Wanderers.

"In terms of the crowd, I can't make people come in, I can only try to affect results," 58-year-old McCarthy told BBC Radio Suffolk.

"We're in the top six with 15 points from seven games, which is way beyond any of our expectations when we started, mine included.

"I said I don't think we're one of the best teams in the league and we're going to have to be tough and belligerent and organised - and all those horrible things people don't particularly like - but we have got a bit of something.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 18, 2017, 07:53:05 PM
Quote from: The Joust on September 18, 2017, 12:37:09 PM
I can't wait for the season to be over already. So annoyed that nothing changes with this bloke in charge. Look at the team we have, look at the names on the team-sheet. Such a strong side and should be playing a nice brand of football. Not becoming a back 6 when we don't have the ball, not leaving a striker isolated with every attack.
Only five games gone mate, give it a little more time for the new players to settle in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on September 20, 2017, 08:53:58 PM
Thanks Tone you have well and truly destroyed the pride I have for my football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2017, 09:02:52 PM
Quote from: kirk on September 20, 2017, 08:53:58 PM
Thanks Tone you have well and truly destroyed the pride I have for my football club.


We're playing the best team in the league. This City team today would finish top 6.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on September 20, 2017, 09:09:55 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2017, 09:02:52 PM

We're playing the best team in the league. This City team today would finish top 6.

So we are going to get beat... why not try and win the game then, are you also saying West Ham, Brighton etc etc etc are all top 6 teams? Our only tactic is play for 0 0 and try and score from a set piece, we don't even try and play counter attacking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 20, 2017, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2017, 09:02:52 PM

We're playing the best team in the league. This City team today would finish top 6.
Manchester United are the best team in the league, We never ever try to win a game, how can that be right? Tonight is the first home game I have missed in 20 years it's killing me not being there but this is what Pulis as done to me and our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 20, 2017, 09:46:35 PM
Quote from: albion59 on September 20, 2017, 09:26:07 PM
Manchester United are the best team in the league, We never ever try to win a game, how can that be right? Tonight is the first home game I have missed in 20 years it's killing me not being there but this is what Pulis as done to me and our club.

Christ on a bike mate that's one hell of a stat.
Does sum it up though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 20, 2017, 10:22:38 PM
Quote from: albion59 on September 20, 2017, 09:26:07 PM
Manchester United are the best team in the league, We never ever try to win a game, how can that be right? Tonight is the first home game I have missed in 20 years it's killing me not being there but this is what Pulis as done to me and our club.
Respect - you are one hell of a masochist, but respect all the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2017, 10:31:49 PM
Quote from: albion59 on September 20, 2017, 09:26:07 PM
Manchester United are the best team in the league, We never ever try to win a game, how can that be right? Tonight is the first home game I have missed in 20 years it's killing me not being there but this is what Pulis as done to me and our club.


They're not...


Didn't turn out too bad did it? Shame your mate is absolute garbage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 20, 2017, 10:34:05 PM
Quote from: timdon on September 20, 2017, 10:22:38 PM
Respect - you are one hell of a masochist, but respect all the same.
Cheers lads, I was proud of my record and would have loved to have carried it on, now I am gutted that I was stubborn and didn't. I have missed birthdays mothers days, christenings meeting my daughters in laws loads of things to be at the games then I miss one out of protest at Pulis's rubbish football then he let's them off the lead second half, please,please let them have a go in future games Mr Pulis!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 20, 2017, 10:35:46 PM
Quote from: kirk on September 20, 2017, 09:09:55 PM
So we are going to get beat... why not try and win the game then, are you also saying West Ham, Brighton etc etc etc are all top 6 teams? Our only tactic is play for 0 0 and try and score from a set piece, we don't even try and play counter attacking.

If we lost 4-0 but had 48% possession I don't think you would come here praising TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 20, 2017, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2017, 10:31:49 PM

They're not...


Didn't turn out too bad did it? Shame your mate is absolute garbage.
They are! Lets see who finishes top at the end, he missed a chance like Morrison did and like Rondon  does often! How did it not turn out not too bad? Did we win?/oh no we lost and are out of the cup
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2017, 10:44:56 PM
Quote from: albion59 on September 20, 2017, 10:42:22 PM
They are! Lets see who finishes top at the end, he missed a chance like Morrison did and like Rondon  does often! How did it not turn out not too bad? Did we win?/oh no we lost and are out of the cup


He missed 3 chances. 2 absolute sitters. Morrison at least was in a tackle so had to use a toe poke. Kanu had the freedom of the Hawthorns twice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 20, 2017, 10:49:29 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2017, 10:44:56 PM

He missed 3 chances. 2 absolute sitters. Morrison at least was in a tackle so had to use a toe poke. Kanu had the freedom of the Hawthorns twice.
I can't comment on tonight I wasn't there and haven't seen any of the game, I'll take your word for it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 20, 2017, 11:17:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2017, 10:44:56 PM

He missed 3 chances. 2 absolute sitters. Morrison at least was in a tackle so had to use a toe poke. Kanu had the freedom of the Hawthorns twice.

Here is Kanu's last second miss

https://streamable.com/60ash
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 20, 2017, 11:33:15 PM
No shame in losing to this City side especially when we played so well 2nd half

HRK has to finish those chances..how he doesnt I dont know  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 20, 2017, 11:34:26 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 20, 2017, 11:17:56 PM
Here is Kanu's last second miss

https://streamable.com/60ash

Should have buried that. Oh well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on September 20, 2017, 11:35:40 PM
Judging by the comments we played really well 2nd half and some good attacking football

Please Tone take the shackles off and let us play
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on September 20, 2017, 11:46:01 PM
HRK has to bury that last chance, nearly as bad as his name sake.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on September 20, 2017, 11:49:21 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 20, 2017, 11:17:56 PM
Here is Kanu's last second miss

https://streamable.com/60ash

Wow that's pretty poor
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on September 21, 2017, 12:02:07 AM
To be fair to HRK the miss at the end was on his weak left foot with him off balance and was at a point in the game when he was knackered and fatigued. Had it been on his right side he most likely would have been alright like he scored at Burnley. He should have scored but his the post, not that unsurprising all round really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on September 21, 2017, 12:17:42 AM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 20, 2017, 11:17:56 PM
Here is Kanu's last second miss

https://streamable.com/60ash
the more you see it the more its abominable,he only needed to look up and hit it to the right of the keeper,a simple tap in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on September 21, 2017, 01:33:58 AM
Quote from: baggie82 on September 21, 2017, 12:02:07 AM
To be fair to HRK the miss at the end was on his weak left foot with him off balance and was at a point in the game when he was knackered and fatigued. Had it been on his right side he most likely would have been alright like he scored at Burnley. He should have scored but his the post, not that unsurprising all round really.
A premier league and international footballer missing that.... sort of is surprising  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 21, 2017, 06:29:03 AM
Pulis showed some tactical innovation and willingness to attack yesterday. I suspect this was because it was the league cup and as such a draw was of no use to us. It will be interesting to see if he adopts the same approach when we play City in the league next month.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 21, 2017, 07:32:37 AM
Quote from: barnestormer on September 21, 2017, 12:17:42 AM
the more you see it the more its abominable,he only needed to look up and hit it to the right of the keeper,a simple tap in
Easy When your sitting watching, isn't it? Even world class players miss sitters mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on September 21, 2017, 07:46:12 AM
Quote from: baggie82 on September 21, 2017, 12:02:07 AM
To be fair to HRK the miss at the end was on his weak left foot with him off balance and was at a point in the game when he was knackered and fatigued. Had it been on his right side he most likely would have been alright like he scored at Burnley. He should have scored but his the post, not that unsurprising all round really.

This is a fantastic argument...but HRK is left footed. Thought I may be wrong so I checked transfermarkt and yeah, it was on his strong foot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 21, 2017, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on September 20, 2017, 09:46:35 PM
Christ on a bike mate that's one hell of a stat.
Does sum it up though.

I'm surprised, considering the thurst for entertainment, that he sat through all of the Megson years. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on September 21, 2017, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: lewisant on September 21, 2017, 07:46:12 AM
This is a fantastic argument...but HRK is left footed. Thought I may be wrong so I checked transfermarkt and yeah, it was on his strong foot.

Yep the screamer against Southampton was with his left also
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 21, 2017, 10:32:40 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on September 21, 2017, 09:27:38 AM
I'm surprised, considering the thurst for entertainment, that he sat through all of the Megson years.
zHorses for courses mate different era different players had to do with what we had totally different now no need to play that way now! If you want to comment on my post's I am here
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 21, 2017, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: albion59 on September 21, 2017, 10:32:40 AM
zHorses for courses mate different era different players had to do with what we had totally different now no need to play that way now! If you want to comment on my post'sI I am here
Oh and I have also sat thorough two and half years of this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 21, 2017, 10:48:15 AM
I thought we showed City too much respect first half but second half got at them a bit.

I think out the big boys, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man City clearly their defences are their weak spot, we arent going to out football them, whether we play 10 behind the ball or 8, it doesnt matter, they will have more of the ball that us.

So why not release the shackles, play two up front like we did most of the second half and put their weak spot under pressure? We know we play on the counter so if we are getting it forward, have two strikers to occupy their defence as we break as well as the pace from the wings. We will still have enough players back who are organised, disciplined and behind the ball so we dont get caught out.

I know its not quite as easy as FIFA football but the chances are we are going to get beat by the big boys, problem is a lot of the 'smaller' teams play into their hands by going damage limitation, why not catch them on the hop and actually really try and exploit their weakness, would rather have a go and lose 3-1 knowing we have had a go at winning the game than lose 2-0 knowing we just went to keep the score down.

Its about playing to your strengths, we have hard working, aggressive strikers, make use of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on September 21, 2017, 12:06:29 PM
Quote from: albion59 on September 21, 2017, 07:32:37 AM
Easy When your sitting watching, isn't it? Even world class players miss sitters mate.
Not as often as our players mate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on September 21, 2017, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on September 21, 2017, 10:48:15 AM
Its about playing to your strengths, we have hard working, aggressive strikers, make use of them.

How we approach these games has got us some decent results recently.  Not really been on the end of a spanking (that often).

I'd say our strengths are organisation and keeping it tight at the back.

We might have hard working, aggressive strikers, but I'm not sure that's a strength we should play towards - we still don't have that clinical finisher.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 21, 2017, 01:24:48 PM
I know what you mean Boinging_along but i think last season out the 'big boys' we drew with Spurs at home, beat Arsenal at home and i think lost the rest.

Although we only lost a few of the games by a small margin, we ultimately did still lose.

I dont want us to go crazy, our basis is we are organised and disciplined, we need to keep that without doubt but actually offer something the other end, give teams something to think about, especially those with weaker defences, we may still lose but would rather lose having a go at getting a positive result rather than losing just hoping we nick a point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hillsm on September 21, 2017, 01:42:30 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on September 21, 2017, 01:24:48 PM
I know what you mean Boinging_along but i think last season out the 'big boys' we drew with Spurs at home, beat Arsenal at home and i think lost the rest.

Although we only lost a few of the games by a small margin, we ultimately did still lose.

I dont want us to go crazy, our basis is we are organised and disciplined, we need to keep that without doubt but actually offer something the other end, give teams something to think about, especially those with weaker defences, we may still lose but would rather lose having a go at getting a positive result rather than losing just hoping we nick a point.


We drew away at Old Trafford and was a poor defensive slip up away from getting a point at Chelsea as well. From memory the goals we conceded away to Liverpool were poor - think Nyom got caught out similar to the opening goal against Brighton recently.

I think TP sets us up in the correct manner against the bigger teams, it's important to stay in the game as long as possible and give us credit last night could have turned into a horror show after conceding so early on. Yes Foster made some good saves but that's what hes in the team to do, none of them were particularly extraordinary.

Look how Watford and Feyenoord got steamrollered by City recently, that's what will happen if we open up too much - the winning goal they scored last night being a classic example.

The season before last I think we had a good record against the bigger teams and people were complaining that we weren't doing it against the teams in and around us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on September 21, 2017, 02:35:50 PM
I give Pulis (and the players) massive credit for the second half last night, they turned it round and we were unlucky not to win.

But thats my point, first half we just sat off City and let them come at us (they dont need much help with that anyway) and if we had played like that the whole game we would of got beat 5 or 6 nil.

Instead we did something that most teams dont second half, we got in their faces and put them under pressure and they were rocking.

We have to keep the strong organised back line but when we are under so much pressure and get the ball forward quick, having two players pressuring upfront makes so much difference as we saw last night, Man City wasnt expecting that, most big clubs arent, they were probably expect lesser teams be plucky and try and nick a fluke, instead we went at them, created chances and they were struggling.

Chances are we will lose when we play the big boys because they have better players but you have always got to give yourself a chance and second half last night we did that and i hope there is more to come.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 21, 2017, 05:35:42 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on September 21, 2017, 02:35:50 PM
I give Pulis (and the players) massive credit for the second half last night, they turned it round and we were unlucky not to win.

But thats my point, first half we just sat off City and let them come at us (they dont need much help with that anyway) and if we had played like that the whole game we would of got beat 5 or 6 nil.

Instead we did something that most teams dont second half, we got in their faces and put them under pressure and they were rocking.

We have to keep the strong organised back line but when we are under so much pressure and get the ball forward quick, having two players pressuring upfront makes so much difference as we saw last night, Man City wasnt expecting that, most big clubs arent, they were probably expect lesser teams be plucky and try and nick a fluke, instead we went at them, created chances and they were struggling.

Chances are we will lose when we play the big boys because they have better players but you have always got to give yourself a chance and second half last night we did that and i hope there is more to come.


We didn't sit off them in the first half though we had an active press which particularly targeted Mangala, the problem was (usually Dawson) would give the ball away as soon as we won it back. Yes if the initial press failed we fell back into our defensive shape, it would have been stupid not to.


2nd half we cut out the cheap turnovers and the injury to Gundogan badly affected City at the same time as Phillips realised he had the beating of Danilo. Nothing really changed except these 3 things.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 21, 2017, 09:05:52 PM
By no means am I happy that HRK is one of our main strikers, but on this one he deserves some protection, watch the spin on the ball as it lands in front of him and he has a millisecond to get the shot off
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on September 21, 2017, 09:16:06 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on September 21, 2017, 09:05:52 PM
By no means am I happy that HRK is one of our main strikers, but on this one he deserves some protection, watch the spin on the ball as it lands in front of him and he has a millisecond to get the shot off

 :o

he has A LOT of milliseconds to get the shot off, I've defended other aspects of HRK's performance last night but there's ZERO excuse for missing that. Any striker, including HRK himself, would kill for that same exact chance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 22, 2017, 12:41:26 AM
Quote from: vrabbit on September 21, 2017, 09:16:06 PM
:o

he has A LOT of milliseconds to get the shot off, I've defended other aspects of HRK's performance last night but there's ZERO excuse for missing that. Any striker, including HRK himself, would kill for that same exact chance.
I disagree,watch the footage,the spin on that ball would be impossible to predict where it went...at best a hit and hope which he did..
Many top strikers have missed worse....the original Kanu..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 22, 2017, 07:52:55 AM
Can we keep this topic relevant to Tony Pulis. Robson kanu's miss should be discussed in the after match thread.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 22, 2017, 04:03:25 PM
Another lacklustre negative start to a game. Let's see what you have got for Arsenal, the Watford game to save your skin
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 22, 2017, 04:19:18 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 22, 2017, 04:03:25 PM
Another lacklustre negative start to a game. Let's see what you have got for Arsenal, the Watford game to save your skin
His skin won't remotely need saving unless and until we are in the bottom three.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 24, 2017, 09:28:14 AM
His skin is extremely safe sadly, he'll be with us for a long time to come.

As an aside, and likely this will be deleted but if Jacko can get away with posting it when they've lost 6-0 to Man City he can have some of it back. Marco Silva notching up another impressive away win yesterday, after a far tougher set of fixtures than our opening 6 he has them three points clear of us with a more entertaining style of football. That was the ambition I would have liked us to have shown in the summer, instead it is Watford who are doing it having been in this league half the time we have. Settling for mediocrity in terms of the fare on show is what disappoints me most, we could have so much better if we tried hard enough to get it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 24, 2017, 09:49:55 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on September 24, 2017, 09:28:14 AM
His skin is extremely safe sadly, he'll be with us for a long time to come.

As an aside, and likely this will be deleted but if Jacko can get away with posting it when they've lost 6-0 to Man City he can have some of it back. Marco Silva notching up another impressive away win yesterday, after a far tougher set of fixtures than our opening 6 he has them three points clear of us with a more entertaining style of football. That was the ambition I would have liked us to have shown in the summer, instead it is Watford who are doing it having been in this league half the time we have. Settling for mediocrity in terms of the fare on show is what disappoints me most, we could have so much better if we tried hard enough to get it

Way too early to talk up Silva. He did relegate Hull after all. Pulis would have kept them up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on September 24, 2017, 10:58:05 AM
Quote from: Legend on September 24, 2017, 09:49:55 AM
Way too early to talk up Silva. He did relegate Hull after all. Pulis would have kept them up.

Don't suppose you have the lottery numbers for next week while you're at it?

Silva actually did a decent job at Hull, hence quite a few clubs were interested in bringing him in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 24, 2017, 01:10:09 PM
Quote from: wbako on September 24, 2017, 10:58:05 AM
Don't suppose you have the lottery numbers for next week while you're at it?

Silva actually did a decent job at Hull, hence quite a few clubs were interested in bringing him in.

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 

Silva relegated them, won 1 in his last 7 games. He's achieved nothing yet. I'll start being impressed if he stays at Watford for a couple of seasons and achieves good finishes in the league. Until then he is flavour of the month.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 24, 2017, 03:05:37 PM
Watford were probably one the most defensive teams in league under Walter Mazzarri and one of the reasons why we seem to be stuck with Pulis is the often stated idea that it would be impossible to change style without taking a huge risk which would jeopardise our place in the Premier League. While it way to early to suggest that Silva has achieved that at Watford their start might hint at what is possible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 24, 2017, 04:48:00 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 24, 2017, 01:10:09 PM
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

Silva relegated them, won 1 in his last 7 games. He's achieved nothing yet. I'll start being impressed if he stays at Watford for a couple of seasons and achieves good finishes in the league. Until then he is flavour of the month.
Excuse me, is that for Wednesday or Saturday?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on September 24, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 24, 2017, 01:10:09 PM
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 

Silva relegated them, won 1 in his last 7 games. He's achieved nothing yet. I'll start being impressed if he stays at Watford for a couple of seasons and achieves good finishes in the league. Until then he is flavour of the month.

Took over a team in 10th in Portuguese 2nd division, lost 3 games all season and got them promoted.
1st season in top flight they finished 5th as a newly promoted club (2nd best ever in their history) and qualified for Europe
Left after his 3rd season after finishing 4th (basically top after Porto, Benfica, Sporting)
Went to Sporting and finished 3rd and won the cup (clubs first trophy for 7 years)
Won the title in his only season at Olympiakos. This included winning his first 11 games (a club record) in wuch the beat Arsenal away in the CL. Won 17 games in a row which is European record in 21st century and lost 1 game all season as won the league by 30 points.

As for Hull

They took 6 points in 17 games before he as appointed and had 13 points in 20 games. Silva averaged 1.2 points per game for the rest of the season so 45 over 38 games. Not sure how you work out that means he relegated them?

Are you Paul Merson? By 'achieved nothing' do you mean he hasn't worked in England before so it doesn't count?

His resume certainly far outstrips Pulis and although he may well be doing nothing in 5 years he certainly has the potential to progress far beyond the level he is currently managing at whereas someone like Pulis has never had either the ability or mindset to progress beyond mid table mediocrity in one country (not necessarily a criticism I actually think he has done incredibly well to achieve the managerial career he has despite being very limited manager in skill set)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 24, 2017, 06:33:25 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 24, 2017, 01:10:09 PM
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 

Silva relegated them, won 1 in his last 7 games. He's achieved nothing yet. I'll start being impressed if he stays at Watford for a couple of seasons and achieves good finishes in the league. Until then he is flavour of the month.
Excuse me, what as Pulis ever won/ achieved? And we only won one out of the last 12 he should have gone then!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on September 24, 2017, 06:57:51 PM
Quote from: albion59 on September 24, 2017, 06:33:25 PM
Excuse me, what as Pulis ever won/ achieved? And we only won one out of the last 12 he should have gone then!

He promoted and stabilized Stoke in the PL and got them to a cup final which got them to Europe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 24, 2017, 07:30:57 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on September 24, 2017, 06:57:51 PM
He promoted and stabilized Stoke in the PL and got them to a cup final which got them to Europe.

This. Also won Premier League Manager of the Year while doing a miraculous job at Palace. Never been relegated either. He hasn't won a pub league in Greece though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on September 24, 2017, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 24, 2017, 01:10:09 PM
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 

Silva relegated them, won 1 in his last 7 games. He's achieved nothing yet. I'll start being impressed if he stays at Watford for a couple of seasons and achieves good finishes in the league. Until then he is flavour of the month.

Can we get Tone out on the next flight to the Island to see Hurley and Benjamin  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 24, 2017, 08:43:29 PM
Quote from: BB74 on September 24, 2017, 08:15:39 PM
Can we get Tone out on the next flight to the Island to see Hurley and Benjamin  ;D

TP would have got them off that island in Season One, no messing about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 24, 2017, 09:32:02 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 24, 2017, 07:30:57 PM
This. Also won Premier League Manager of the Year while doing a miraculous job at Palace. Never been relegated either. He hasn't won a pub league in Greece though.
So the answer is, he hasn't won anything, and if you want to compare achievements Tony Mowbray got us promoted and to Wembley twice playing football with a squad nowhere near as good as the one we have now!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on September 25, 2017, 06:36:20 AM
Quote from: albion59 on September 24, 2017, 09:32:02 PM
So the answer is, he hasn't won anything, and if you want to compare achievements Tony Mowbray got us promoted and to Wembley twice playing football with a squad nowhere near as good as the one we have now!

He also got us relegated because he couldn't defend to save his life.
Don't get me wrong I loved watching us under Mowbray but he was too extreme one way and Pulis is too extreme the other if we could get somewhere between the two I think we've cracked it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 25, 2017, 06:50:56 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on September 25, 2017, 06:36:20 AM
He also got us relegated because he couldn't defend to save his life.
Don't get me wrong I loved watching us under Mowbray but he was too extreme one way and Pulis is too extreme the other if we could get somewhere between the two I think we've cracked it
Mate, I couldn't agree more, bang on!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 25, 2017, 09:17:00 AM
Quote from: albion59 on September 24, 2017, 09:32:02 PM
So the answer is, he hasn't won anything, and if you want to compare achievements Tony Mowbray got us promoted and to Wembley twice playing football with a squad nowhere near as good as the one we have now!

Pulis and his Stoke team outperformed us in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 25, 2017, 09:33:15 AM
Will always depend on which side of the fence you fall, points or performances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on September 25, 2017, 10:58:47 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on September 25, 2017, 09:33:15 AM
Will always depend on which side of the fence you fall, points or performances.

Always depends on whats actually relevant to success, points or performances.

give me pulis any day after the total capitulation under mowbray in the prem. We knew we were down from febuary onwards even though we had points on the board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 25, 2017, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on September 25, 2017, 10:58:47 AM
Always depends on whats actually relevant to success, points or performances.

give me pulis any day after the total capitulation under mowbray in the prem. We knew we were down from febuary onwards even though we had points on the board.

My argument throughout has been that you can have both, but you will only ever get points under Pulis.

Mowbray is a poor manager, this has been confirmed by a succession of jobs over the years including his current role at Blackburn where they have the best squad in the league by a country mile and still sit outside the play offs. It was an entertaining couple of years with him, but he still failed to get a squad with the likes of Phillips, Kamara, Greening, Koumas, Davies etc promoted at the first attempt. I never understand why people keep referring to Mowbray, is that honestly who they think we would be appointing if we got rid of Pulis? We are a far better and bigger club now who can attract managers of a far higher calibre than the Mowbray's of this world.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 25, 2017, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on September 25, 2017, 11:02:37 AM
My argument throughout has been that you can have both, but you will only ever get points under Pulis.

Mowbray is a poor manager, this has been confirmed by a succession of jobs over the years including his current role at Blackburn where they have the best squad in the league by a country mile and still sit outside the play offs. It was an entertaining couple of years with him, but he still failed to get a squad with the likes of Phillips, Kamara, Greening, Koumas, Davies etc promoted at the first attempt. I never understand why people keep referring to Mowbray, is that honestly who they think we would be appointing if we got rid of Pulis? We are a far better and bigger club now who can attract managers of a far higher calibre than the Mowbray's of this world.

agree. Total Football Tony should have won the league the year previous... however we did play great football for the best part of 3 years, yes the defence was abysmal at times but we entertained and scored goals galore.

Pulis is points at all costs does the bare minimum to keep us up. however the squad he has now built himself (ok missing a top drawer striker like odemwingie or lukaku) should be achieving more than 40 points... we need to break 50 this year and do something in the FA cup or he needs to go. the mind numbing football to keep hitting 40 and repeat isn't worth it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 25, 2017, 12:46:35 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on September 24, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Took over a team in 10th in Portuguese 2nd division, lost 3 games all season and got them promoted.
1st season in top flight they finished 5th as a newly promoted club (2nd best ever in their history) and qualified for Europe
Left after his 3rd season after finishing 4th (basically top after Porto, Benfica, Sporting)
Went to Sporting and finished 3rd and won the cup (clubs first trophy for 7 years)
Won the title in his only season at Olympiakos. This included winning his first 11 games (a club record) in wuch the beat Arsenal away in the CL. Won 17 games in a row which is European record in 21st century and lost 1 game all season as won the league by 30 points.

As for Hull

They took 6 points in 17 games before he as appointed and had 13 points in 20 games. Silva averaged 1.2 points per game for the rest of the season so 45 over 38 games. Not sure how you work out that means he relegated them?

Are you Paul Merson? By 'achieved nothing' do you mean he hasn't worked in England before so it doesn't count?

His resume certainly far outstrips Pulis and although he may well be doing nothing in 5 years he certainly has the potential to progress far beyond the level he is currently managing at whereas someone like Pulis has never had either the ability or mindset to progress beyond mid table mediocrity in one country (not necessarily a criticism I actually think he has done incredibly well to achieve the managerial career he has despite being very limited manager in skill set)

This is one of the best posts I've seen on this forum. People simply don't look at what a coach has achieved abroad, as if it means nothing, yet you can pick up good managers like him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on September 25, 2017, 06:39:21 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 25, 2017, 09:17:00 AM
Pulis and his Stoke team outperformed us in the Premier League.

Simply not true:

2010-2011 - West Brom 11th, Stoke 13th
2011 2012 - West Brom 10th, Stoke 14th
2012-2013 - West Brom 8th, Stoke 13th

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2017, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: wbako on September 25, 2017, 06:39:21 PM
Simply not true:

2010-2011 - West Brom 11th, Stoke 13th
2011 2012 - West Brom 10th, Stoke 14th
2012-2013 - West Brom 8th, Stoke 13th


Think he meant the Mowbray season as that was being discussed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 25, 2017, 07:33:10 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2017, 07:15:26 PM

Think he meant the Mowbray season as that was being discussed.

Correct.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on September 25, 2017, 08:00:31 PM
I think we can get something today.COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyPulis on September 25, 2017, 09:58:13 PM
Should be questioned about why he started to sign players we didnt need and started to shoehorn them in to the team. We had a solid team in the beginning of the season, not the most exciting one but we had some good results in the first games. Then Evans became available and we started to leak in goals. We signed Gibbs (About as good as Brunt as a fullback but we'll miss Brunt set pieces and this is the most important thing for a team that is poor at scoring goals), signed Greg (underwhelming so far, not a good fit for the tactics), signed Burke (already had many wingers) when we should have used the money on getting a solid striker instead. I can see no logic in these signings except for wanting to please the moaning fans. I'd bet that we would have a lot more points now if we played the same team and set up in the latest games as we did in the first three games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 25, 2017, 10:03:44 PM
Bit like wee krankie. Atmosphere must have been dull, all I could hear was he
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 25, 2017, 10:06:44 PM
Quote from: SirTonyPulis on September 25, 2017, 09:58:13 PM
Should be questioned about why he started to sign players we didnt need and started to shoehorn them in to the team. We had a solid team in the beginning of the season, not the most exciting one but we had some good results in the first games. Then Evans became available and we started to leak in goals. We signed Gibbs (About as good as Brunt as a fullback but we'll miss Brunt set pieces and this is the most important thing for a team that is poor at scoring goals), signed Greg (underwhelming so far, not a good fit for the tactics), signed Burke (already had many wingers) when we should have used the money on getting a solid striker instead. I can see no logic in these signings except for wanting to please the moaning fans. I'd bet that we would have a lot more points now if we played the same team and set up in the latest games as we did in the first three games.
so greg has been underwhelming, he was great against city and played well tonight.
we signed burke because we only have 2 wingers at the club.
I doubt very much pulis signs players to appease moaning fans.
I agree we need a good striker.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 25, 2017, 10:16:37 PM
i've never been a fan of Pulis. Never wanted him at our club. But I'm weirdly encouraged by the signings and the last couple of games.

An innovative back five, Chadli and Burke yet to come, and a two great halves of football against City and Arsenal.

I know things didn't work out but I do have the hope that by improving the quality of our players it will by default improve the quality of our play. My team:

Foster

Phillips - Dawson - Hegazi - Evans - Gibbs

Barry - Krychoviak

Chadli

Rodriquez - Rondon

Gives a bench of Myhill, Brunt, Morrison, Robson-Kanu, Livermore, MacAuley, Burke

To me, this is our most talented players in their best positions. With some very talented players in our youth team to come I'm positive for the first time since Pulis arrived.




Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on September 25, 2017, 10:25:30 PM
What great half did we play today as I certainly didn't see it.

A team of Gibbs, Greg, Evans, Chadli, Phillips could easily push top 8.

A team of Dawson, Nyom, Hegazi, Livermore, Kanu, McClean wouldn't finish top 3 in the Championship.

Awful selection. 11 games TP has managed at Arsenal, lost every damn one. Have a go, attack them. Who knows, we could win the game 3-2 like we did a few years ago.

It doesn't take 11 6ft blokes hoofing it every 5 minutes whilst remaining behind the ball to stay up in this league. And I'd rather go down trying to play better football than watch this tripe every week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on September 25, 2017, 10:28:55 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on September 25, 2017, 10:25:30 PM
What great half did we play today as I certainly didn't see it.

A team of Gibbs, Greg, Evans, Chadli, Phillips could easily push top 8.

A team of Dawson, Nyom, Hegazi, Livermore, Kanu, McClean wouldn't finish top 3 in the Championship.

Awful selection. 11 games TP has managed at Arsenal, lost every damn one. Have a go, attack them. Who knows, we could win the game 3-2 like we did a few years ago.

It doesn't take 11 6ft blokes hoofing it every 5 minutes whilst remaining behind the ball to stay up in this league. And I'd rather go down trying to play better football than watch this tripe every week.

At last someone who sees it as it is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiesboots on September 25, 2017, 10:41:57 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on September 25, 2017, 10:25:30 PM
What great half did we play today as I certainly didn't see it.

A team of Gibbs, Greg, Evans, Chadli, Phillips could easily push top 8.

A team of Dawson, Nyom, Hegazi, Livermore, Kanu, McClean wouldn't finish top 3 in the Championship.

Awful selection. 11 games TP has managed at Arsenal, lost every damn one. Have a go, attack them. Who knows, we could win the game 3-2 like we did a few years ago.

It doesn't take 11 6ft blokes hoofing it every 5 minutes whilst remaining behind the ball to stay up in this league. And I'd rather go down trying to play better football than watch this tripe every week.
Bang on, and for the record, TP might as well start being more positive every game, as clearly the way were shipping goals, the defensive approach isn't really paying off either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on September 25, 2017, 10:43:51 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on September 25, 2017, 10:25:30 PM
What great half did we play today as I certainly didn't see it.

A team of Gibbs, Greg, Evans, Chadli, Phillips could easily push top 8.

A team of Dawson, Nyom, Hegazi, Livermore, Kanu, McClean wouldn't finish top 3 in the Championship.

Awful selection. 11 games TP has managed at Arsenal, lost every damn one. Have a go, attack them. Who knows, we could win the game 3-2 like we did a few years ago.

It doesn't take 11 6ft blokes hoofing it every 5 minutes whilst remaining behind the ball to stay up in this league. And I'd rather go down trying to play better football than watch this tripe every week.

First half. We were all over them.

Two individual mistakes cost us two goals. Poor finishing cost us points. Not the manager tonight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 25, 2017, 10:44:20 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on September 25, 2017, 10:25:30 PM
What great half did we play today as I certainly didn't see it.

A team of Gibbs, Greg, Evans, Chadli, Phillips could easily push top 8.

A team of Dawson, Nyom, Hegazi, Livermore, Kanu, McClean wouldn't finish top 3 in the Championship.

Awful selection. 11 games TP has managed at Arsenal, lost every damn one. Have a go, attack them. Who knows, we could win the game 3-2 like we did a few years ago.

It doesn't take 11 6ft blokes hoofing it every 5 minutes whilst remaining behind the ball to stay up in this league. And I'd rather go down trying to play better football than watch this tripe every week.

So this is probably the oddest post I'll have ever made, as I'll be backing Pulis - kind of.

So you mention five players that could push top 8 - I agree with your selection by the way - yet that still leaves six gaps in the team. You need cash, time and luck to fill these gaps, but with players like Burke, Field, bargains like Hegazi (I disagree that he is Championship - his start has been excellent), I do think we have a chance of progressing.

I hate the style of play that Pulis has brought us, and since he joined us I have said that our players are better than he lets them show, and that you don't have to play his dire brand of football to stay up, but the last couple of games say to me that he is willing to adjust the line up and try and play a little bit more on the front foot. 

But then again what do I know. At half time against City I was going mental, then the second half was great and shut me right up.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, take Pulis organisation, and ask the players to keep the ball on the floor instead of the air and then we play to our strengths. I can't wait to see Chadli, with Barry and Krychoviak behind him, and Phiilips and Rodriguez either side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on September 25, 2017, 11:01:45 PM
Quote from: frazzle on September 25, 2017, 10:44:20 PM
So this is probably the oddest post I'll have ever made, as I'll be backing Pulis - kind of.

So you mention five players that could push top 8 - I agree with your selection by the way - yet that still leaves six gaps in the team. You need cash, time and luck to fill these gaps, but with players like Burke, Field, bargains like Hegazi (I disagree that he is Championship - his start has been excellent), I do think we have a chance of progressing.

I hate the style of play that Pulis has brought us, and since he joined us I have said that our players are better than he lets them show, and that you don't have to play his dire brand of football to stay up, but the last couple of games say to me that he is willing to adjust the line up and try and play a little bit more on the front foot. 

But then again what do I know. At half time against City I was going mental, then the second half was great and shut me right up.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, take Pulis organisation, and ask the players to keep the ball on the floor instead of the air and then we play to our strengths. I can't wait to see Chadli, with Barry and Krychoviak behind him, and Phiilips and Rodriguez either side.
youll be waiting a long long time then mate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 26, 2017, 12:46:53 AM
Time to cut the pathetic childish bickering on here or a few will be taking a break or if ignored permanent removal from the forum.

Supposed to be grown adults yet bicker like kids in the playground.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 26, 2017, 08:03:01 AM
I liked the formation and tactics Pulis implement last night, if he can get brace enough to implement the same against lesser clubs we could blow them away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on September 26, 2017, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on September 26, 2017, 08:03:01 AM
I liked the formation and tactics Pulis implement last night, if he can get brace enough to implement the same against lesser clubs we could blow them away.

I agree, i'd like to see two changes to personel - Phillips for Nyom and Chadli or Morrison for Livermore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 26, 2017, 08:45:48 AM
That sounds good  to me. Now Phillips as wing back would be interesting! He's big enough, fit and fast enough to do it . Chadli as a CAM behind a loan frontman (Rondon for me who holds it up better) then Rodriguez cutting in from the left would be an attacking force against the lesser teams at home..........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 26, 2017, 10:16:40 AM
Quote from: lewisant on September 26, 2017, 08:43:20 AM
I agree, i'd like to see two changes to personel - Phillips for Nyom and Chadli or Morrison for Livermore.

Agree with that, think McClean would make an excellent converted wing back too. This 5-3-2 looks very promising.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 27, 2017, 06:51:36 AM
I am not sure whether the 3-5-2 we are seeing at the moment is Pulis' response to playing teams that line up with 3 at the back and we just happen to have played two of those teams in a week or it's his new stock formation. If it is the latter then we got the window wrong.

Playing 3 Centre Backs and 2 Central Strikers means we are at least one of each short . Equally there is about a third of the squad that has been made redundant with no obvious role in the first team including Burke who we signed for £15m.

 It will be particularly interesting to see how we line up against Watford who typically play four at the back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 27, 2017, 07:42:28 AM
He can play as many formations as he likes but ultimately if we don't start scoring goals we have got a problem .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 27, 2017, 08:32:16 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on September 25, 2017, 10:25:30 PM
What great half did we play today as I certainly didn't see it.

A team of Gibbs, Greg, Evans, Chadli, Phillips could easily push top 8.

A team of Dawson, Nyom, Hegazi, Livermore, Kanu, McClean wouldn't finish top 3 in the Championship.

Awful selection. 11 games TP has managed at Arsenal, lost every damn one. Have a go, attack them. Who knows, we could win the game 3-2 like we did a few years ago.

It doesn't take 11 6ft blokes hoofing it every 5 minutes whilst remaining behind the ball to stay up in this league. And I'd rather go down trying to play better football than watch this tripe every week.

But a team consisting of Dawson, Nyom, Livermore, Kanu and McClean was 8th in the premier league for a huge part of last season and finished a point off 8th so "pushed for 8th"?. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 27, 2017, 08:52:05 AM
A team with the likes of Zaha, Townsend, Benteke, Cabaye, Sahko, should be pushing top 8..

A team with the likes of Zabaleta, Arnautovic, Carroll, Lanzini, Hernandez, Hart, Antonio should be pushing top 8..

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on September 27, 2017, 08:59:11 AM
We have a better squad than last year. It's still early days. Pulis to his credit is trying one or two things. Although we'll see whether he really wants to use the attacking players he's brought in - history would question this?

One day, I'd love to see Phillips on the right, Burke on the left, Chadli in the middle with Greg and Barry behind. Either HRK or Rondon (Rondon for me) and then a defence of Dawson or Nyom , Evans , Hegazi and Gibbs.

Just out of interest, I'd like to see the team more attack minded to see what we're capable of!?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 27, 2017, 01:07:44 PM
Quote from: darbolina on September 27, 2017, 08:59:11 AM
We have a better squad than last year. It's still early days. Pulis to his credit is trying one or two things. Although we'll see whether he really wants to use the attacking players he's brought in - history would question this?

One day, I'd love to see Phillips on the right, Burke on the left, Chadli in the middle with Greg and Barry behind. Either HRK or Rondon (Rondon for me) and then a defence of Dawson or Nyom , Evans , Hegazi and Gibbs.

Just out of interest, I'd like to see the team more attack minded to see what we're capable of!?

So you wouldn't start Rodriguez over Rondon or HRK?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on September 27, 2017, 09:24:52 PM
I would play Rod and Rondon as a pair,as neither have been prolific,but playing together maybe they could at least break into double figures,over the course of a season.
I know TP wouldn't play 2 upfront every game,but why not some of the games,when it would suit who we faced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 27, 2017, 10:09:41 PM
He has tried a different approach the last couple of games.
Let's see what he produces this weekend.
We have been asking for a more attacking approach, but it hasn't paid off yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ranvir wba90 on September 28, 2017, 08:16:27 AM
Would like to see us play 3-4-3 ideal team would be

Foster

Dawson
Hegazi
Evans

Phillips
Krychowiak
Barry
Gibbs

Chadli
Rodriguez
Burke

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 28, 2017, 08:16:56 AM
Quote from: ranvir wba90 on September 28, 2017, 08:12:51 AM
Would like to see a 3-4-3 formation. Ideal team would be

                                              Foster
                              Dawson.    Evans.    Hegazi.

                 Phillips.       Krychowiak.      Barry.      Gibbs.

                          Chadli.          Rodriguez.         Burke.
 
Can only dream TP would never play like this.

Gibbs in midfield and Chadli on the right? I really hope Pulis wouldn't play that side it's very unbalanced.

It'd be better as a 4-4-2 with Gibbs back in defence and Burke on the wing. It'd be even better as a 4-4-1-1 with Chadli behind Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on September 28, 2017, 08:29:29 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on September 28, 2017, 08:16:56 AM
Gibbs in midfield and Chadli on the right? I really hope Pulis wouldn't play that side it's very unbalanced.

It'd be better as a 4-4-2 with Gibbs back in defence and Burke on the wing. It'd be even better as a 4-4-1-1 with Chadli behind Rodriguez.
Pretty sure that is supposed to show Gibbs at left back it's just got screwed up by the spacing on screen, no one would play Gibbs at RMF well maybe 1 person
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 28, 2017, 08:36:49 AM
Quote from: Albionic on September 28, 2017, 08:29:29 AM
Pretty sure that is supposed to show Gibbs at left back it's just got screwed up by the spacing on screen, no one would play Gibbs at RMF well maybe 1 person

it's not mate, it's supposed to be a 3-4-3 formation. It shows Gibbs at Left midfield, Phillips is at right midfield.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 28, 2017, 11:44:37 AM
Why do people keep putting Chadli in their teams that Pulis should pick. He is no longer injured but Pulis still shows no signs whatsoever that he is part of his plans. Maybe some of you know something I don't?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 28, 2017, 12:09:02 PM
Quote from: timdon on September 28, 2017, 11:44:37 AM
Why do people keep putting Chadli in their teams that Pulis should pick. He is no longer injured but Pulis still shows no signs whatsoever that he is part of his plans. Maybe some of you know something I don't?

He's literally only just recovered from his injury and played for the u23's earlier this week, presumably to get some game time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on September 28, 2017, 04:11:40 PM
Its Burke I want to see selected. He's very quick, and anything can happen out of the blue when players like him get the ball. It lifts the crowd too, which does affect the players and the game IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 30, 2017, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: timdon on September 28, 2017, 11:44:37 AM
Why do people keep putting Chadli in their teams that Pulis should pick. He is no longer injured but Pulis still shows no signs whatsoever that he is part of his plans. Maybe some of you know something I don't?

He's had just a few minutes game time for the U23 side which is nowhere near the intensity of the Premier League. From the noises Pulis has made I think he is very much part of his plans moving forward. He may make the bench against Watford but even if he doesn't hopefully he'll get some minutes for Belgium to help build his fitness.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 30, 2017, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: B_H_Baggie on September 30, 2017, 08:55:30 AM
He's had just a few minutes game time for the U23 side which is nowhere near the intensity of the Premier League. From the noises Pulis has made I think he is very much part of his plans moving forward. He may make the bench against Watford but even if he doesn't hopefully he'll get some minutes for Belgium to help build his fitness.
Unfortunately though this is very very unlikely, which gives Pulis the excuse of him not being "match fit" and therefore not picking him. Pulis has a bit of a habit of publicly praising players who have fallen out of favour. I don't know if Chadli is genuinely rehabilitated in PUlis' eyes, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him still not being picked come November.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 30, 2017, 11:22:10 AM
I'll go out on a limb here and predict that Chadli will get less than 900 minutes Premier League football with us this season. If we hadn't heard it all before "not up to speed" unspecified "injuries" then I'd take what Pulis says at face value but we have and rarely does a player feature once they have fallen out with him.

I suspect Pulis wanted to trade him during the summer but there weren't any takers at the sort of fee we were looking for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on September 30, 2017, 01:04:56 PM
On my way to the match,a big silver Mercedes went past in fast lane with the reg ARP I assume it was Tone.
I was coming from Portsmouth so he must be coming up from home,that was about 11:30 around Warwick services area on M40,let's hope his team are in the fast lane today with our new formation eh?
I'm a little surprised you would think he would stay over the night before a match,anyway as long as its a win who cares.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zac on September 30, 2017, 01:28:31 PM
Just thought I'd let you know what Tony Pulis has recently done for my family. I lost my mom a few months ago from cancer and since then my dad has been struggling a lot. A charity that my mom used to support wrote to Tony to see if he could send a card to perk him up and not only did he write my dad a lovely message, he also arranged for a signed shirt from him to go to my dad with my moms nickname on the back. I've criticised his football for a long time but to do something like that and go out his way to help my dad I'll never forget it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2017, 02:04:56 PM
Chadli back in the 18 by the way...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on September 30, 2017, 04:55:18 PM
You're in trouble Tony
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2017, 04:56:06 PM
The sooner he's gone the better absolute dire football >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on September 30, 2017, 04:56:47 PM
Out.

Our players are way to good to play his style. Time to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2017, 05:04:41 PM
3 poor substitutions but players to blame. Should have seen out that game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 30, 2017, 05:08:16 PM
Gutted. Feels like a loss but it's still a decent point. It turns a great start to the season into a decent one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on September 30, 2017, 05:08:36 PM
Please go.

Painful to watch the dross he serves up and embarrassing to support a club that employs his tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 30, 2017, 05:09:15 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2017, 05:04:41 PM
3 poor substitutions but players to blame. Should have seen out that game.
He's wearing thin mate , he's got the better players he wanted and we still play poor football the majority of the time.
Personally like the bloke , much better squad than we had when he first arrived but his football is not for me as much as I respect him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyPulis on September 30, 2017, 05:11:00 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2017, 05:04:41 PM
3 poor substitutions but players to blame. Should have seen out that game.

Nothing wrong with the subs. Watford had some a bit of pressure before the McClean and Livermore subs and it calmed down pretty quick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2017, 05:13:38 PM
Quote from: Dexy on September 30, 2017, 05:09:15 PM
He's wearing thin mate , he's got the better players he wanted and we still play poor football the majority of the time.
Personally like the bloke , much better squad than we had when he first arrived but his football is not for me as much as I respect him.


Technically not a foul by McClean but why dive in? The players were again very poor 2nd half and have to take responsibility. He's not telling them to be pooh. Only Krychowiak comes out of that 2nd dig with any credit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2017, 05:15:14 PM
Quote from: SirTonyPulis on September 30, 2017, 05:11:00 PM
Nothing wrong with the subs. Watford had some a bit of pressure before the McClean and Livermore subs and it calmed down pretty quick.


If you think taking off our 3 most dangerous players for 3 Championship plodders is okay then I hope I never see you call for Pulis' head...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on September 30, 2017, 05:18:05 PM
Quote from: zac on September 30, 2017, 01:28:31 PM
Just thought I'd let you know what Tony Pulis has recently done for my family. I lost my mom a few months ago from cancer and since then my dad has been struggling a lot. A charity that my mom used to support wrote to Tony to see if he could send a card to perk him up and not only did he write my dad a lovely message, he also arranged for a signed shirt from him to go to my dad with my moms nickname on the back. I've criticised his football for a long time but to do something like that and go out his way to help my dad I'll never forget it.
That was a lovely gesture. Hope it helped to cheer your Dad up a little - always hard when you lose someone really close to you but little things like that may only take a few minutes but can make a big difference.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on September 30, 2017, 05:21:49 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2017, 05:13:38 PM

Technically not a foul by McClean but why dive in? The players were again very poor 2nd half and have to take responsibility. He's not telling them to be rubbish. Only Krychowiak comes out of that 2nd dig with any credit.
Player had just got away from McClean thats why he dived in , not a foul though. The catch is for me Pulis's football suits limited footballers better , you can see decent players in Barry, Phillips etc getting frustrated because we sit so rigid and they have nowhere to go with the ball as its all about sitting and keeping shape especially if we have the lead.
Totally respect him and god knows we needed him but for me he should have gone in the Summer as I've stated on here before. That said he didn't so we have to hope he turns it around although I for one am tired of feeling like Albion rob other clubs pockets when we win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on September 30, 2017, 05:27:06 PM
Us Pulis haters were grown up enough to say when he got it right, be interesting to see if the reverse now happens.

That was absolutely dreadful, start to finish.

The 3 subs, would any other team in this league want those players and make those changes we did?

Dreadful. Just dreadful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 30, 2017, 05:47:50 PM
I'd honestly pay money right now for us to finish 17th, scare the rubbish out of the owners and they sack him, rather than we finish 12th and have Pulis for another 5 years.

Within the parameters of football, i hate him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on September 30, 2017, 05:49:45 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on September 30, 2017, 05:47:50 PM
I'd honestly pay money right now for us to finish 17th, scare the rubbish out of the owners and they sack him, rather than we finish 12th and have Pulis for another 5 years.

Within the parameters of football, i hate him.

Agreed, I come away from every game feeling very angry.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on September 30, 2017, 06:20:02 PM
Quote from: timdon on September 30, 2017, 05:18:05 PM
That was a lovely gesture. Hope it helped to cheer your Dad up a little - always hard when you lose someone really close to you but little things like that may only take a few minutes but can make a big difference.

He does a lot for charity. Think he still does a bit in Stoke from his time there too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on September 30, 2017, 06:25:51 PM
He needs to go. His "football" is an embarrassment to the club and to the sport. The time wasting is the worst. Does he not realise that people have come to see two teams play football, not Ben Foster stand near the ball? It was such a stark contrast with Gomes, throwing the ball out quickly. We waste time from the very first minute, not just when we're winning, so it can't be "game management". If more football means your team is more likely to lose then your tactics are wrong, change them.

Aside from that, the constant negativity and defensiveness is so depressing. Combine the two factors and surely no team in the country spends less time per game in possession - partially the reason we're so poor with it when we do have it! The other hindrance there is that our shape is so rigid that it's very easy for the opposition to shut off our passing lanes. More fluidity means the guy on the ball has more options.

I hope the board gets rid soon. I'll put some bubbly on ice for that magic moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 30, 2017, 06:43:20 PM
We wont hit the 40 points mark, if we can only scrape the odd point at home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 30, 2017, 07:05:31 PM
is that 3 wins from the last 20 games?
below is the current form from the last 16 matches for ourselves and the three relegated teams from last season.

                     w    d   l     gf      ga   gd    pts
 Middlesboro   5    4   7    15     21  -6     19
 West Brom    3    4   9    11     21  -10    13
 Hull              3    4   9    20     34   -14    13
 Sunderland   2    3   11   13     30  -17     9
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 30, 2017, 07:05:53 PM
Pulis is here for the next two seasons at least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan87uk on September 30, 2017, 07:11:14 PM
I'm just sick of coming away from the Hawthorns feeling disappointed in the football we play, the atmosphere (or lack of) that it breeds and the results that seem to also be following at the moment....

The owner really does have to sit up and take notice of what the majority of us are saying at the moment and either give Pulis a kick up the backside to play some positive football (unlikely), or seriously start looking at possible replacement options.

Happy to admit i've never been in the Pro Pulis camp but was also happy to be partially proven wrong with the results last season up until we hit the 40 mark. Then we faded and have not picked up at all again since.

Sorry Tony, but I believe it's time for you to move on before the life of the club really does drain away with the negative football we are; and have; been playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on September 30, 2017, 07:12:12 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 30, 2017, 07:05:53 PM
Pulis is here for the next two seasons at least.

Hopefully At some point soon the board will see sence
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2017, 07:20:25 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 30, 2017, 07:05:31 PM
is that 3 wins from the last 20 games?
below is the current form from the last 16 matches for ourselves and the three relegated teams from last season.

                     w    d   l     gf      ga   gd    pts
 Middlesboro   5    4   7    15     21  -6     19
 West Brom    3    4   9    11     21  -10    13
 Hull              3    4   9    20     34   -14    13
 Sunderland   2    3   11   13     30  -17     9


Not again...


It's the last 7 matches that matter. Last season is totally irrelevant.


We're 10th rolling along at 1.29 points per game.


In other words fulfilling the remit...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on September 30, 2017, 07:39:43 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2017, 07:20:25 PM

Not again...


It's the last 7 matches that matter. Last season is totally irrelevant.


We're 10th rolling along at 1.29 points per game.


In other words fulfilling the remit...
And quite depressing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 30, 2017, 07:40:36 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2017, 07:20:25 PM

Not again...


It's the last 7 matches that matter. Last season is totally irrelevant.


We're 10th rolling along at 1.29 points per game.


In other words fulfilling the remit...
We haven't played the top 6 yet.
We even lost to a Man City second team.
If he still plays his team this way, we will be his first team to get relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 30, 2017, 07:51:23 PM
We won't go down

He'll just bore us all to tears

Today was terrible. Abject.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on September 30, 2017, 07:55:49 PM
We are 10th at the moment and could have been higher. Mr Safety First will guarantee us Premier League football but nothing else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2017, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 30, 2017, 07:05:53 PM
Pulis is here for the next two seasons at least.



Dream on big boy
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 30, 2017, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2017, 07:56:46 PM


Dream on big boy
Terrible again today Glyn, I've never felt like this in 50 years, terrible football, terrible atmosphere, useless manager and the fans wanting to fight each other in the brummy!! Depressing!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2017, 08:01:38 PM
What's laughable the blokes got a nerve when he says we don't get a sniff of a penalty. Folks can you guess why that is
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2017, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: albion59 on September 30, 2017, 08:00:41 PM
Terrible again today Glyn, I've never felt like this in 50 years, terrible football, terrible atmosphere, useless manager and the fans wanting to fight each other in the brummy!! Depressing!

I promised to come sit by you for today's game Keith a few weeks back, sorry make I had more fun at the ukip party conference
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 30, 2017, 08:06:51 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2017, 07:56:46 PM


Dream on big boy

Eh? He's not going to get sacked unless our PL status is a threat. And even then he's the best man to keep us up. The only way TP goes is when he decides.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2017, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 30, 2017, 08:06:51 PM
Eh? He's not going to get sacked unless our PL status is a threat. And even then he's the best man to keep us up. The only way TP goes is when he decides.


Hopefully he's hounded out by the supporters, he's loosing more of them I hear and see of late
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 30, 2017, 08:17:15 PM
I still think we are a work in progress. Some of our players have to gel into the team. We have done very well to accumulate the points we have now. Pulis has earned my trust from the previous seasons and I think we'll be comfortably top 10 at the end of the season with a good FA Cup run.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on September 30, 2017, 08:17:29 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2017, 05:04:41 PM
3 poor substitutions but players to blame. Should have seen out that game.

Thought Rondon was spent. Happy with Ronson-Kanu sub.
Phillips & Brunt gone meant set piece deliveries were poor,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on September 30, 2017, 08:18:44 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 30, 2017, 08:17:15 PM
I still think we are a work in progress. Some of our players have to gel into the team. We have done very well to accumulate the points we have now. Pulis has earned my trust from the previous seasons and I think we'll be comfortably top 10 at the end of the season with a good FA Cup run.

Complete opposite from my perspective, we are going backwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2017, 08:21:21 PM
Quote from: Aztech on September 30, 2017, 08:18:44 PM
Complete opposite from my perspective, we are going backwards.


Fair play to Pulis he's still got about 20 % of support . Totally agree better footballers and it's worse football than last season and we ain't played anyone decent/ top side at home yet
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on September 30, 2017, 08:23:09 PM
I think tony staying here has more to say about Mr Lai ambitions than any signing we make.
He doesn't have the backing to push us into the top 6.
Any other club could find themselves at the bottom of the table at any time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on September 30, 2017, 08:23:21 PM
I like to judge a manager not just by results alone but how he improves a player because its vital that they keep improving otherwise players need replacing too often. who has improved as a player under Mr Pulis ?.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on September 30, 2017, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on September 30, 2017, 08:23:21 PM
I like to judge a manager not just by results alone but how he improves a player because its vital that they keep improving otherwise players need replacing too often. who has improved as a player under Mr Pulis ?.
No one! But a hell of a lot have got worse!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
I would go as far as saying I would rather have Irvine back
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2017, 08:35:48 PM
The usual suspects are out tonight... Irvine?  I despair. You're on the wind up as per... almost as if you think what's the most inflammatory thing I can say...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on September 30, 2017, 08:42:39 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
I would go as far as saying I would rather have Irvine back

Wouldn't go that far mate but at lot of Albion fans would use that as an example to feed their pro Pulis beliefs.

One question I asked today, nobody has yet answered differently other than "no".
"Had that been the other way round, and Watford were leading 2-0. Do you think we'd have got back in the game?".

Feel free to expand on "no" but god luck with that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on September 30, 2017, 08:54:47 PM
I felt and said at the time when we lost 1 nil at home to Liverpool last season his time was up .

The club has given him license to sign a better calibre of player but he's got to trust them more . To my mind there is too much shouting and balling from the side treating them like children. Megson seems more involved than you would normally see an assistant surely it is the Head Coaches responsibility to get the points across .



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 30, 2017, 10:02:59 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 30, 2017, 08:17:15 PM
I still think we are a work in progress. Some of our players have to gel into the team. We have done very well to accumulate the points we have now. Pulis has earned my trust from the previous seasons and I think we'll be comfortably top 10 at the end of the season with a good FA Cup run.

Do you follow the same west Bromwich Albion that the rest of us do or are you just out to wind people up?

when we are lucky enough to draw lower league clubs in the cups we still get our arses handed to us thanks to Mr. Negative setting us up not to concede..... whilst failing at it miserably I may add.

love to get myself a pair of those pulis tinted glasses you wear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 30, 2017, 10:03:43 PM
Quote from: albion59 on September 30, 2017, 08:31:17 PM
No one! But a hell of a lot have got worse!!

Fake news

Dawson, Evans, McClean, Phillips all improved under TP for example

Evans signed for £8mil two years later being wanted by City and Arsenal for £30million

Dawson has established himself as a PL player

McClean and Phillips signed from the Championship and done well at this level

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 30, 2017, 10:05:06 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on September 30, 2017, 10:02:59 PM
Do you follow the same west Bromwich Albion that the rest of us do or are you just out to wind people up?

when we are lucky enough to draw lower league clubs in the cups we still get our arses handed to us thanks to Mr. Negative setting us up not to concede..... whilst failing at it miserably I may add.

love to get myself a pair of those pulis tinted glasses you wear.

You wouldn't have been on here if we had held on and went up to 6th. The Pulis haters are predictable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on September 30, 2017, 10:12:48 PM
One thing I will criticise TP on is playing Dawson right back. He was fine as center half in the first few games and he looks better in his natural position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on September 30, 2017, 10:17:51 PM
I count Albion having 7 games until the end of November. I expect at least 5 defeats going by how we are playing right now. Just my opinion but I see TP gone by end of November
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on September 30, 2017, 10:39:21 PM
Quote from: Legend on September 30, 2017, 10:05:06 PM
You wouldn't have been on here if we had held on and went up to 6th. The Pulis haters are predictable.

If you care to look back at my posts you will see I praise pulis when he does right for the team and criticise him when he does wrong.

People like you on the other hand have digs at others when pulis gets it right on the odd occasion and make excuses for him week in week out when he gets it wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on September 30, 2017, 10:40:30 PM
Quote from: Nice1Cyrille on September 30, 2017, 10:17:51 PM
I count Albion having 7 games until the end of November. I expect at least 5 defeats going by how we are playing right now. Just my opinion but I see TP gone by end of November

The next 7 are a damn sight tougher than the opening 7 were that is for sure but by the end of it we will have had a reasonable cross section of fixtures. We will have played 4 of the top 6 clubs (which is about right across 14 games) and an even number of home and away matches.

I absolutely don't see Pulis being gone at the end of it unless it is something calamitous like seven straight defeats. As bad as we are playing now we will scrape a couple of wins from somewhere which will keep us at the point a game mark which will be enough to keep us out of the relegation zone and Pulis in a job.

Any talk of progress or top half finishes at the moment is entirely fanciful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on September 30, 2017, 11:26:57 PM
Its unbelievable just how awful we have become under Pulis. Somehow we get results probably through hard work and what have you but the quality is dreadful. I went to my first game in a while today and when you've been away from us for any length of period of time, its plain as the nose on your face just how much the actual football has deteriorated. We cant pass, theres no movement, especially going forward. We only attack via long hoof balls, the midfield is only there to defend, now wonder Rondon cant score. Every ball AT him today was eithe over the top or at his head.

Its awful guys, really really bad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on September 30, 2017, 11:36:26 PM
I don't post often but read the site almost daily. In my mind he has to go. I've given him a pass at times due to poor squad etc but for me he has no excuses anymore. This negative anti football dross he serves up is an embarrassment and an insult to not only the fans but the players also. I'm sick of hearing him praise the opposition how about having some confidence in your own players? I mean honestly how many of Watford team would you take in place of someone in ours? 1 maybe 2? I'm not being funny but Watford pinged the ball around today and if your telling me that Gareth Barry and Gregorz Krychowiak can't do what Dacore and Etienne Capoue did then I don't know what to say. If all the pro pulis fans honestly believe that this squad of players isn't capable of better then I'm not sure what world you live in. I mean time wasting at 60 mins at home to Watford. We have the best squad I have ever seen at the albion and this tosser is going to waste it. Outside of the top 6/7 who has a stronger squad? However clearly premier league players including the record appearance maker in the premier league and a £30m polish international clearly need constant instructions barking at them like Sunday morning pub players so what do I know.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 01, 2017, 12:19:27 AM
His record in 17 is awful and any other coach would have got the bullet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on October 01, 2017, 12:27:31 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
I would go as far as saying I would rather have Irvine back

Don't be ridiculous. I'm not a fan of Pulis but come on. Irvine would have us relegated by April.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on October 01, 2017, 12:42:55 AM
He simply has to go H as the best squad we've had in the premier league era and has little idea of how to go about winning games with them !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on October 01, 2017, 07:06:57 AM
I do not know how Trading Standards, do not make us take the Football out our name.

Its a clear breach of service, and descriptive fraud
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Arthur Pewty on October 01, 2017, 08:04:42 AM
There seem to be a number of comparisons with his tenure at Stoke. Following promotion they finished between 11th and 13th, however after a period of Premier League stability, funds were made available to enhance the squad with quality signings.
The result, no improvement, muddled tactics and growing fan frustration and unrest. I think he is foolish if he doesn't realise this and therefore identifies the need to best utilise the playing resources at his disposal. Is it not a coincidence that of late he is beginning to put a greater emphasis on the referees performance rather than that of his team ??? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jharman292 on October 01, 2017, 08:28:40 AM
Lets face it, picture is much bigger than yesterday. Yes we were outplayed by Watford but can anyone remember the last time we treated a team like that? For 90 minutes?

Its not about players, its not about system and tactics, it all boils down to mentalilty. Those players are sent out every game believing thier most important job is to stop the opposition. To not step out of position. To not allow too much space behind them. To try and slow down the tempo of the game. This mentality must be incredibly frustrating for a player and ultimately leads to a poor football match with zero creativity or imagination.

I sit in BRE and on 25 minutes watched Foster give ball boy a rollocking for being too quick, urging him to slow it down. This went on all game and then Pulis has the cheek to complain about too much stoppage time. It really is embarrassing.

I will be there every game but i long for the days when he is no longer in the dugout. I hate everything we have become and get zero enjoyment out of watching us play the game. He still has support, no question about that but it will be interesting how long that lasts because we have tougher fixtures coming up and there is nothing at all to suggest things are on the up. Call me negative, i dont really care but i have a feeling things are going to look at lot worse by the end of October.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 01, 2017, 09:16:59 AM
Just seen the second goal also, what are we doing?

Gomes and Richarlison (scorer) completely unmarked at the back post when kick takes places. Richarlison walks along the entire area without anybody picking him up.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 01, 2017, 09:49:35 AM
The banners will be flying soon . Tony Pulis should be managing Wales not West Bromwich Albion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 01, 2017, 10:07:29 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 01, 2017, 09:16:59 AM
Just seen the second goal also, what are we doing?

Gomes and Richarlison (scorer) completely unmarked at the back post when kick takes places. Richarlison walks along the entire area without anybody picking him up.

What happens with richarlison is actually embarrassing there are senior pros who are supposed to be there because they are trustworthy and experienced yet no one takes responsibility . I'm convinced all is not well I saw one player basically ignore Megson at one point .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on October 01, 2017, 10:23:14 AM
I'm not a Pulis hater, I was pro Pulis, he's done what he was brought in for, fair enough, but that seems to be his limit!  Even I've had enough now! We are stagnating! and it's boring! I don't want to see us relegated - the 'Pulis doesn't do relegation' thing has got to run out sometime hopefully not with us, there must surely be an alternative!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 01, 2017, 11:38:19 AM
Heard Robbie Savage yesterday saying we're 10th and what do we expect. The Albion caller suggested Ancelotti  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 01, 2017, 11:47:01 AM
With the footballers we have I expect better football that's what I expect. We ain't going to get it with Pulis that's obvious given his history . If mr Lai is serious and wants to please his home market then why not ancelotti
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on October 01, 2017, 11:51:23 AM
The way we play must be a culture shock for the newcomers like Barry, Gibbs & Krychowiack, and even Hegazi-they might have seen/been told how we play but it's another thing to play such demoralising football week in week out. Perhaps Evans is realising what he's missing by still being here (compared to what he would be doing at MC or Arsenal) and that explains his "loss of form". The old timers like Brunt must be fed up with it and I'm sure it's not how Rondon would want us to play. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not getting to a lot of the team and affecting their performances. It might have been alright when the players who were here when Pulis arrived could see that he was adding something which meant as a unit they were playing to their maximum level, or even over-achieving, but now the current squad is capable of more. Pulis 's tactics are now resulting in under-achievement and failure to get the best out of the available resources constitutes failure in any field of management not just football. We now have a decent squad capable of playing decent football. Either Pulis gets them doing that or he has to go. Mere survival with this squad just isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nocky on October 01, 2017, 12:05:09 PM
I'm a Pulis fan but not sure how much longer i can put up with the sort of football he's serving up. As others have said, we've got players with quality on the ball now yet he continues to set us up in the same way. The second half was absolutely dire yesterday. There can be no excuses for the way he set us up to defend the lead for almost the entire second half at home to Watford.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 01, 2017, 12:41:48 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on September 09, 2017, 10:51:55 PM
How have you been proven right ?

We have lost 1 game this season today and we were shocking. Yes Pulis made mistakes with his selection especially given the players have had a couple of training sessions together at best with Rondon possibly not getting back until Friday after playing for his country.

How about hang on a few weeks at least before starting the "proved right" comments, yes we know you don't like him you've made it pretty clear.

Today his mistakes were playing Hegazi and Evans together when they've barely trained together given the "injury" to Evans and them him going off to play for his country, he should have started with Dawson and Evans but I guess wihen McAuley is fit he will return with Dawson rightly going back to right back where despite a few moans on here he's done an excelletn job. Brunt should have been at left back and should until Gibbs gets upto speed given his lack of fitness. Livermore should have made way from the midfield to allow Barry and Krychowiak with Morrison behind Rodriguez given Rondons late return from international duty.

Can I claim to have been proven right now please?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 01, 2017, 12:43:06 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 01, 2017, 11:38:19 AM
Heard Robbie Savage yesterday saying we're 10th and what do we expect. The Albion caller suggested Ancelotti  ;D

Savage doesn’t watch the garbage every week
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: newbaggie on October 01, 2017, 12:47:25 PM
If tony pulis was sacked or walked out who would select the next manager. Would the owner leave it up to the chairman?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on October 01, 2017, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: newbaggie on October 01, 2017, 12:47:25 PM
If tony pulis was sacked or walked out who would select the next manager. Would the owner leave it up to the chairman?

John Williams and the UK board tend to run things so Lai wouldn't have any say in picking a new manager, which is probably for the best. The chairman and Hammond, Garlick etc would be in charge of the recruitment. How sad that we didn't bust a gut to hire Marco Silva in the summer.

Why does Pulis think screaming "go on son" constantly to the players like their children will help. His post match blame game yesterday was embarrassing as was the time wasting from Foster throughout and the ultra defensive hoof ball rubbish we served up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on October 01, 2017, 03:38:17 PM
Quote from: elmo_in_swansea on October 01, 2017, 10:23:14 AM
I'm not a Pulis hater, I was pro Pulis, he's done what he was brought in for, fair enough, but that seems to be his limit!  Even I've had enough now! We are stagnating! and it's boring! I don't want to see us relegated - the 'Pulis doesn't do relegation' thing has got to run out sometime hopefully not with us, there must surely be an alternative!
Yes. I am starting not to care, starting not to look ahead at the fixture list, you could see that coming a mile off yesterday, and when it went in, strangely I didn't really care.  This is not WBA.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 01, 2017, 04:18:42 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on October 01, 2017, 03:38:17 PM
Yes. I am starting not to care, starting not to look ahead at the fixture list, you could see that coming a mile off yesterday, and when it went in, strangely I didn't really care.  This is not WBA.
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It is exactly WBA. I have lost count over the years, but is most certainly not unusual for the Albion to succumb at the very end of the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 01, 2017, 04:28:50 PM
Well the Burnely win looks a lot better now  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on October 01, 2017, 05:54:43 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on October 01, 2017, 04:18:42 PM
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It is exactly WBA. I have lost count over the years, but is most certainly not unusual for the Albion to succumb at the very end of the game.
Yes that bit is, I know, but the way we played wasn't - I wouldn't have minded a rollicking 2-2 draw!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on October 01, 2017, 07:41:47 PM
Hey Wollaston,here's a thought everyone says that we study players who may be what we need,characters etc,don't you think that these players know all about WBA and TP before they come to us?
I think they know exactly what to expect,they can't really complain can they?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on October 01, 2017, 08:01:12 PM
I think it may be necessary to take a step backwards before we can move any further forwards
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on October 01, 2017, 08:03:52 PM
For me it's a case of "what's the point going to the game" - if all that matters are results (which are pooh anyway lately) why not just check the scores at full time to see how we have done. It's absolute dross. I would genuinely like to hear why anyone would still defend pulis.
How can anyone justify what we are watching with the players we have? It's not even like the results have been great.
He will get no support from me until he at least attempts to improve the playing style. Sadly I think I'll be in for a long wait.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 01, 2017, 08:18:03 PM
Quote from: crocodile007 on October 01, 2017, 08:03:52 PM
For me it's a case of "what's the point going to the game" - if all that matters are results (which are pooh anyway lately) why not just check the scores at full time to see how we have done. It's absolute dross. I would genuinely like to hear why anyone would still defend pulis.
How can anyone justify what we are watching with the players we have? It's not even like the results have been great.
He will get no support from me until he at least attempts to improve the playing style. Sadly I think I'll be in for a long wait.

My bigger point is most teams in this division play "bad football" so you will most likely replace TP with a guy who coaches a similar way but has a more fancy name. If you just look at the bottom half of the PL table how many of them will you consider play exciting football?

That is just the nature of the PL where mid table teams resort to punting long balls and defending. I have heard West Ham/Stoke/Everton/Southampton fans all say they aren't exciting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 01, 2017, 09:08:46 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on October 01, 2017, 08:18:03 PM
My bigger point is most teams in this division play "bad football" so you will most likely replace TP with a guy who coaches a similar way but has a more fancy name. If you just look at the bottom half of the PL table how many of them will you consider play exciting football?

That is just the nature of the PL where mid table teams resort to punting long balls and defending. I have heard West Ham/Stoke/Everton/Southampton fans all say they aren't exciting.

I understand your point but there's bad football and then there's us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on October 01, 2017, 09:27:29 PM
As I said Liverbaggie, it may be 1 thing knowing about something and another actually living it. The gloss of premier league football, first team appearances and big money might become a little dull when the reality of Pulisball is encountered on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 01, 2017, 09:30:30 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 01, 2017, 09:08:46 PM
I understand your point but there's bad football and then there's us.
Even when our football is meant to be so bad we've scored more goals and had more attempts on goal than Swansea (managed by so say progressive coach with experience of very big clubs) and money bags Everton with Koeman in charge. Throw in Burnley, Brighton (far more negative against Arsenal than we were), Palace. We are not quite as bad as we think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 01, 2017, 10:02:45 PM
Quote from: Adder on October 01, 2017, 09:30:30 PM
Even when our football is meant to be so bad we've scored more goals and had more attempts on goal than Swansea (managed by so say progressive coach with experience of very big clubs) and money bags Everton with Koeman in charge. Throw in Burnley, Brighton (far more negative against Arsenal than we were), Palace. We are not quite as bad as we think.

I do understand your point, but I'd argue that only Everton has a better squad than us out of those you name. And my personal view is that none of those teams deploy 10 behind the ball, time wasting and hoof tactics quite like we do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on October 01, 2017, 10:12:20 PM
I also saw Foster sort of remonstrate with the ballboy,I imagine telling him to slowdown a bit.
I mean experienced players being told by the head coach to slowdown or waste time I find reprehensible and hard to believe myself,how much time does it actually waste over 90 mins?
I think it puts too much pressure on the players who are trying to win a match and they have to think about wasting time as well,keep it simple for the players please.its also embarrassing for us fans to watch.its blatant and obvious and it makes bookings inevitable for what,a few less seconds.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 01, 2017, 10:24:23 PM
Do they have these fans forums anymore ? Time wasting is embarrassing and reflects badly on the clubs reputation. You could say it's cheating in the same way as 'simulation' is. I'd like TP to be tackled on that one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on October 01, 2017, 10:36:09 PM
I'd give my right arm to swap managers with Watford. They are everything I want to see the Albion play like, they had a purpose about them, got after it, confident on the ball and were positive even when they went 2-0 down.

I think Pulis has run his course here, he was absolutely the right man for the job when he came in and has done a brilliant job giving the club some stability but he's taken us as far as he can. The style of football will never change regardless of the players he brings in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on October 01, 2017, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on October 01, 2017, 08:18:03 PM
My bigger point is most teams in this division play "bad football" so you will most likely replace TP with a guy who coaches a similar way but has a more fancy name. If you just look at the bottom half of the PL table how many of them will you consider play exciting football?

That is just the nature of the PL where mid table teams resort to punting long balls and defending. I have heard West Ham/Stoke/Everton/Southampton fans all say they aren't exciting.
but the point is the other 19 teams start out to try and win their match where Pulis starts from the try not to lose it first stance which more often leaves us chasing the game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 01, 2017, 11:14:45 PM
No one is as consistently awful to watch as we are. Trust me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 01, 2017, 11:51:16 PM
I don't think our football is uniquely bad not while we have Burnley in the division but even they don't seem to be as hell bent on killing a game through time wasting. The mid-table mix is generally littered with fairly inconsistent teams and Watford at the moment seem to be the one team that is genuinely playing decent football and pushing the envelope.

While you could argue that there are plenty of teams that are in a lot worse state by pretty much every measure we are the ugly ducklings of the league. We are being out shot by a Palace side that has yet to score which would suggest they are playing with a greater degree of attacking intent. While Swansea seem to be ridiculously shot shy they at least pass the ball better as does every team in the league even ones not noted for a passing game e.g. Leicester City.

Brighton and Newcastle are both looking to be solid defensively in order to preserve their new found status but neither play as deep as us. We have the deepest sitting defence in the league although this honour is closely contested with Burnley. (Dyche is a ginger Pulis) 

If I wasn't a fan I wouldn't chose to watch a game we were playing in and I am finding harder to justify wasting my time and money going to games when just about any game I could watch on TV is better entertainment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on October 02, 2017, 09:00:47 AM
At 2-0 nil on Saturday I turned to my brother and said "at least we'll get a draw"
that wasn't being cynical, it's just a fact that we let teams come at us and although we set up to stop teams scoring we struggle to achieve that.
On a positive note we did score twice to get a draw because if things had been as normal we would have lost in the 95th minute with moans from TO about stoppage time etc.
I think we are in for a hard time because we are clearly beatable and not setting up to win.
So if past performance is something to go by we need 31 more points and that is difficult to see where they are going to come from. A point a game would do it but the next 7 aren't going to yield that many.
Fortunately Palace seem to be doomed and there has got to be at least one other poorer than us but it looks like its going to be a scrap.
Most fi
Most firms have a whip round when someone leaves - it would be worth 50 pence in this case!!
Lets hope Bayern come calling - they're starting to ship goals !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 02, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Personally I've always found this modern day obsession with how much possession you have embarrassing. Looking at players passing stats to determine how good they are etc. For me it's about finding the balance between defence and attack. It will click for us. We just have to be a bit better on the turnover. That's where better players come into it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 02, 2017, 05:57:15 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 02, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Personally I've always found this modern day obsession with how much possession you have embarrassing. Looking at players passing stats to determine how good they are etc. For me it's about finding the balance between defence and attack. It will click for us. We just have to be a bit better on the turnover. That's where better players come into it.
but don't we go to watch West Broms players play football? what would you rather see?
a good Albion player having the ball for 60% or a Watford player have the ball for 60%
by no means does an higher % of possession guarantee success but I want to see us with the ball not the opposition.
just imagine players like Cunningham, Willie Johnstone  or Koumas starved of the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 02, 2017, 06:10:05 PM
here the mails summary of Tones win rate.
ranked 30th from 39

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/904609473?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on October 02, 2017, 07:41:02 PM
Can't wait for him to be gone, whenever that may be so we can unite as a fanbase again.

As a few people have said, would love to swap managers with Watford.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 02, 2017, 08:21:46 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 02, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Personally I've always found this modern day obsession with how much possession you have embarrassing. Looking at players passing stats to determine how good they are etc. For me it's about finding the balance between defence and attack. It will click for us. We just have to be a bit better on the turnover. That's where better players come into it.
You don't seem to get it since the so called better players have come in we haven't won a game.
Pulis's tactics will never change go out not to lose and see what we can nick along the way.
This squad deserves better than that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on October 02, 2017, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: vrabbit on September 12, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
99 PL games as West Brom's manager and his teams have scored 101 goals, given up 126.

just to update this, now 102 PL games as WBA's manager. His teams have:

103 goals for.
130 goals against.

- 27 goal differential.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 02, 2017, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: vrabbit on October 02, 2017, 09:10:27 PM
just to update this, now 102 PL games as WBA's manager. His teams have:

103 goals for.
130 goals against.

- 27 goal differential.


Don't imagine this is much different than the rest of the 8 or 9 clubs that make up 8th downwards in the last 3 PL seasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 03, 2017, 07:07:39 AM
Pulis' long term Premier League goal scoring runs at a goal a game 316 across 317 matches. It is the bare minimum you need to survive in the league  teams scoring significantly less nearly always get relegated and Pulis teams have been out scored by relegated teams on numerous occasions .

Most teams do better most seasons even if only by a few goals. Pulis has got above a goal a game twice in 10 seasons with ourselves last year 43 and one season with Stoke 46.

Low event low scoring boring football year in year out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 03, 2017, 10:46:35 AM
Please, please Everton, there is only one man on Earth who can get you out of this mess........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 03, 2017, 10:51:30 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on October 03, 2017, 10:46:35 AM
Please, please Everton, there is only one man on Earth who can get you out of this mess........

Yep, Marco Silva  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 03, 2017, 11:57:55 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on October 03, 2017, 10:46:35 AM
Please, please Everton, there is only one man on Earth who can get you out of this mess........

Haha!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 03, 2017, 02:22:17 PM
Pulis says something is boiling and we will start to look better when Chadli and Burke return.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 03, 2017, 03:25:28 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 03, 2017, 02:22:17 PM
Pulis says something is boiling and we will start to look better when Chadli and Burke return.


i just dont know what to say to that, hes a bloody liar. He cant start winning me back if he stops bigging the oppo all the time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 03, 2017, 04:03:01 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 03, 2017, 02:22:17 PM
Pulis says something is boiling and we will start to look better when Chadli and Burke return.
its hard to imagine how we could look any worse, but does beg the question where he would play them?
Chadli as winger or 10 ?
BUrke as winger so where iare Phillips / Brunt playing?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 03, 2017, 04:19:17 PM
We play much better stuff than the dire pulisball that was occurring at stoke, thats for sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 03, 2017, 04:37:21 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 03, 2017, 04:30:29 PM
he's full of pooh.

If chadli wasn't fit and ready to go, he wouldn't even be on the bench of a pulis team...

when will you stop believing his constant lies?

your proper clutching at straws to defend him now.

You alright mate?  ;D ;D ;D


EDIT: also can you provide some evidence of these lies please?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 03, 2017, 04:49:42 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 03, 2017, 04:30:29 PM
he's full of pooh.

If chadli wasn't fit and ready to go, he wouldn't even be on the bench of a pulis team...

when will you stop believing his constant lies?

your proper clutching at straws to defend him now.

So you don't think we'll be better with Chadli and Burke in the team?  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 03, 2017, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 03, 2017, 04:49:42 PM
So you don't think we'll be better with Chadli and Burke in the team?  ::)

Tony Pulis has clearly demonstrated this season how integral both of these players are to his plans

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 03, 2017, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 03, 2017, 02:22:17 PM
Pulis says something is boiling and we will start to look better when Chadli and Burke return.

People really need to stop getting their knickers into a twist when Legend posts, clearly a wum.

Pulis will be clutching at any straws he can after recent performances. Not buying the fact that either will get into the team when fit, certainly not straight away in any event, can see very little changing and there is very little boiling going on, all is very tepid currently in our play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 03, 2017, 06:54:50 PM
Pointless slagging off the comment about Chadli and Burke. Burke has been with us 5 minutes and has been injured for the last couple of games. Chadli has tended to feature when fit even when he's not contributing that much. Don't forget managers have to say something for the press and media or they wouldn't be fulfilling their obligations.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 03, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
An honest question to all Pulis' fans;

Whilst some of us despise him, to the ones who like him or back him at the very least, what would be seen as a failure in your eyes?

Whilst a lot of people always argue "he will keep you up" surely finishing 17th would be seen as a failure?

If you believe he/we should be finishing 8th-10th, then surely we should be looking towards a manager who aspires to do that? It's like saying we want to win the league but we'll employ a manager who guarantees us top 6 (Arsenal for example)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 03, 2017, 07:24:49 PM
Best squad of players we have had since the days of Regis and co, but if the coach won't adapt away from hoof ball what's the point of bringing in such quality? 2017 has been a horrendous year so far for the Albion under pulis, how many more dire performances will the powers that be put up with? And if they do sack him they will call on the services of another dinosaur big Sam to preserve our premier league status
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 03, 2017, 07:32:17 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 03, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
An honest question to all Pulis' fans;

Whilst some of us despise him, to the ones who like him or back him at the very least, what would be seen as a failure in your eyes?

Whilst a lot of people always argue "he will keep you up" surely finishing 17th would be seen as a failure?

If you believe he/we should be finishing 8th-10th, then surely we should be looking towards a manager who aspires to do that? It's like saying we want to win the league but we'll employ a manager who guarantees us top 6 (Arsenal for example)


15th or lower would be a failure. Less than 45 points would be a failure. We're much of a muchness in this division after the top 6.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tegga on October 03, 2017, 09:17:33 PM
I'm not a T.P. fan but I can understand why he employs this style of football, but after the Watford game I am so disillusioned. He needs to do something to get the team to play some football or I can see even moderate fans like myself not bothering.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 03, 2017, 09:32:37 PM
I guess this will go down like a lead balloon but,
 I fear that the appointment of SGM as number 2 will only serve to compound the negative approach, both TP and SGM did what the club needed at the time and we should applaud that, but the ability of either or both together to maintain our status whilst improving the style is highly questionable at best.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 04, 2017, 07:39:53 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 03, 2017, 04:49:42 PM
So you don't think we'll be better with Chadli and Burke in the team?  ::)

can you not read?
 
I think we would be alot better... but pulis obviously doesn't want to use chadli regardless of what he says.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 04, 2017, 08:27:12 AM
Quote from: Albionic on October 03, 2017, 09:32:37 PM
I guess this will go down like a lead balloon but,
 I fear that the appointment of SGM as number 2 will only serve to compound the negative approach, both TP and SGM did what the club needed at the time and we should applaud that, but the ability of either or both together to maintain our status whilst improving the style is highly questionable at best.


Thats a good point that, hes gorra gew too. i have noticed the football is quite possibly worse than last season, we cant defend etc and set peices are inferior, maybe that has something to do with 2 Mr negatives together
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on October 04, 2017, 01:36:28 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on October 01, 2017, 08:18:03 PM
My bigger point is most teams in this division play "bad football" so you will most likely replace TP with a guy who coaches a similar way but has a more fancy name. If you just look at the bottom half of the PL table how many of them will you consider play exciting football?

That is just the nature of the PL where mid table teams resort to punting long balls and defending. I have heard West Ham/Stoke/Everton/Southampton fans all say they aren't exciting.

Nothing like us. I don't care what anyone says - i watch enough football to see that not one other team are as negative as we are. That team is capable of so much more. It's not even the performances per se its the attitude. I can live with an off week but every week it's try not to loose. At the Watford game you could see what was coming a mile off. He couldn't wait to get his aard working plodders on. He sent out the team in the second half half Jrod wide, moving brunt inside and making a flat 5. This is what is despise. Yes the game was open in the first half, Watford looked dangerous but i felt we looked more dangerous. If the game was going to be an open shootout i fancy we had the better quality players to win that dual. The second half though there was only one team that looked like scoring - how did his changes have any kind of positive impact on the game. The only outcome once he reverted to type was a draw or loss. Surely it couldn't have been much worse if we had just carried on the same way? Although i never like to see us drop points in a way i'm glad he didn't get away with it again. I'm not bothered about possession stats really so long as you are effective when you do have it. The problem with Pulis is that you don't have the ball for so long and then when you do get it the shape is so rigid that even the quality of players we have now look average at best. Bear in mind i saw Arsenal and Chelsea fans bemoaning their club for not picking up Greg - we got him and try to have him playing like a championship player. I refuse to believe to believe that another manager could not get more out of a squad like this and that's why for me i want him out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 04, 2017, 03:15:31 PM
Cracking post Crocodile
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on October 04, 2017, 04:44:33 PM
Quote from: crocodile007 on October 04, 2017, 01:36:28 PM
Nothing like us. I don't care what anyone says - i watch enough football to see that not one other team are as negative as we are. That team is capable of so much more. It's not even the performances per se its the attitude. I can live with an off week but every week it's try not to loose. At the Watford game you could see what was coming a mile off. He couldn't wait to get his aard working plodders on. He sent out the team in the second half half Jrod wide, moving brunt inside and making a flat 5. This is what is despise. Yes the game was open in the first half, Watford looked dangerous but i felt we looked more dangerous. If the game was going to be an open shootout i fancy we had the better quality players to win that dual. The second half though there was only one team that looked like scoring - how did his changes have any kind of positive impact on the game. The only outcome once he reverted to type was a draw or loss. Surely it couldn't have been much worse if we had just carried on the same way? Although i never like to see us drop points in a way i'm glad he didn't get away with it again. I'm not bothered about possession stats really so long as you are effective when you do have it. The problem with Pulis is that you don't have the ball for so long and then when you do get it the shape is so rigid that even the quality of players we have now look average at best. Bear in mind i saw Arsenal and Chelsea fans bemoaning their club for not picking up Greg - we got him and try to have him playing like a championship player. I refuse to believe to believe that another manager could not get more out of a squad like this and that's why for me i want him out.
I have to agree with you Croc. I have not been and am not now a Pulis hater but you have Exactly described what is wrong with us as a teamfrom a supporters viewpoin. This team do have better attacking capabilities than they are allowed to enjoy, and the fear of losing is evident in a lot of what happens on the pitch. My problem is that I do not see any obvious contenders for manager who we know could keep the good pulis stuff (whatever that might be - the stuff that keeps us hoping for a top 10 rather than a relegation); yet make us more entertaining in attacking intent to try and win and win well more often. Maybe the one creates the other but who could we be sure of providing it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 05, 2017, 02:21:55 PM
With the quality of the squad and more importantly the seasoned professionals that were brought to club, things have to change. Pulls has to give the players more freedom to express themselves as players like Barry, Gibbs and Greg are no mugs and would expect more than shutting up shop after scoring.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 06, 2017, 08:26:56 AM
After witnessing that england rubbish last night maybe all other supporters and media are now understanding how most Albion fans are feeling
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 06, 2017, 08:41:42 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 06, 2017, 08:26:56 AM
After witnessing that england rubbish last night maybe all other supporters and media are now understanding how most Albion fans are feeling


Why? We'd beat England.


No correlation between the two.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 06, 2017, 09:57:32 AM
Quote from: crocodile007 on October 04, 2017, 01:36:28 PM
Nothing like us. I don't care what anyone says - i watch enough football to see that not one other team are as negative as we are. That team is capable of so much more. It's not even the performances per se its the attitude. I can live with an off week but every week it's try not to loose. At the Watford game you could see what was coming a mile off. He couldn't wait to get his aard working plodders on. He sent out the team in the second half half Jrod wide, moving brunt inside and making a flat 5. This is what is despise. Yes the game was open in the first half, Watford looked dangerous but i felt we looked more dangerous. If the game was going to be an open shootout i fancy we had the better quality players to win that dual. The second half though there was only one team that looked like scoring - how did his changes have any kind of positive impact on the game. The only outcome once he reverted to type was a draw or loss. Surely it couldn't have been much worse if we had just carried on the same way? Although i never like to see us drop points in a way i'm glad he didn't get away with it again. I'm not bothered about possession stats really so long as you are effective when you do have it. The problem with Pulis is that you don't have the ball for so long and then when you do get it the shape is so rigid that even the quality of players we have now look average at best. Bear in mind i saw Arsenal and Chelsea fans bemoaning their club for not picking up Greg - we got him and try to have him playing like a championship player. I refuse to believe to believe that another manager could not get more out of a squad like this and that's why for me i want him out.

That's a good post that. Pretty much how I feel now. I've supported Pulis and he's definitely improved us but I'd now give Pulis til Christmas to try to change the direction a bit or else this team needs fresh ideas, if nothing else, to stop us all stabbing our eyes out at the lack of entertainment!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on October 06, 2017, 11:38:16 AM
Pulis will never change his approach to football he does what he does and what he’s done for twenty years. Don’t cling to the Palace myth of his two great games he will always revert to normal like when we had a couple of good performances last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on October 06, 2017, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 06, 2017, 08:41:42 AM

Why? We'd beat England.


No correlation between the two.

Yes there is. Two teams set up not to lose by filling the midfield with uninspiring defensively-minded work-horses who are afraid to thread telling through balls, and relying on set-pieces and mistakes from the opposition. England will get as far as the world cup quarter finals (at best) and we will finish about 14th in the league (at best). And we will all be very very bored. Devons post was bang on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on October 06, 2017, 01:38:31 PM
The other problem with playing this way (and all the time wasting to boot) is it leaves us fans feeling very short changed. I saw a stat the other day that said something like the average time the ball was actually in play was between 50 and 60 minutes. If you concede we are likely to be at the lower end of the average say 50 minutes and only have the ball for 30% of the time that means you actually watch us, in possession, for approximately 15 minutes per game. I think with that in mind and the ever increasing cost of going to the game/seasons tickets people have a right to expect a bit more. I have a season ticket so i don't really pay much attention to individual game prices but guess they are around £40? if so, you are essentially paying £2.66 for every minute we have the ball. That's quite a chunk of money when you start adding it up over the course of a season. I don't know in what other walk of life i would pay £2.66 a minute for something i wasn't enjoying/bored me. Football is a spectator sport very much in the entertainment business and I expect to be entertained for my £2.66 dammit!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 06, 2017, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: crocodile007 on October 06, 2017, 01:38:31 PM
The other problem with playing this way (and all the time wasting to boot) is it leaves us fans feeling very short changed. I saw a stat the other day that said something like the average time the ball was actually in play was between 50 and 60 minutes. If you concede we are likely to be at the lower end of the average say 50 minutes and only have the ball for 30% of the time that means you actually watch us, in possession, for approximately 15 minutes per game. I think with that in mind and the ever increasing cost of going to the game/seasons tickets people have a right to expect a bit more. I have a season ticket so i don't really pay much attention to individual game prices but guess they are around £40? if so, you are essentially paying £2.66 for every minute we have the ball. That's quite a chunk of money when you start adding it up over the course of a season. I don't know in what other walk of life i would pay £2.66 a minute for something i wasn't enjoying/bored me. Football is a spectator sport very much in the entertainment business and I expect to be entertained for my £2.66 dammit!  ;D

Worse than that, it was 47 minutes!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on October 06, 2017, 02:00:44 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 06, 2017, 01:45:31 PM
Worse than that, it was 47 minutes!

And we get 30% of that a whole 14 minutes.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 06, 2017, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on October 06, 2017, 11:38:16 AM
Pulis will never change his approach to football he does what he does and what he’s done for twenty years. Don’t cling to the Palace myth of his two great games he will always revert to normal like when we had a couple of good performances last season.

We had around 4 months of good performances last season....not just a couple
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 06, 2017, 02:40:27 PM
Quote from: darbolina on October 06, 2017, 09:57:32 AM

That's a good post that. Pretty much how I feel now. I've supported Pulis and he's definitely improved us but I'd now give Pulis til Christmas to try to change the direction a bit or else this team needs fresh ideas, if nothing else, to stop us all stabbing our eyes out at the lack of entertainment!


What you would do. Or me. Or Stan. Or Smeth. Or Legend doesn't matter one jot. The club will never replace Pulis based on perceived quality of football. He will only be replaced if we find ourselves running below 1.06 points per game between November and January of any given season.



Quote from: miggybaggy on October 06, 2017, 11:47:47 AM

Yes there is. Two teams set up not to lose by filling the midfield with uninspiring defensively-minded work-horses who are afraid to thread telling through balls, and relying on set-pieces and mistakes from the opposition. England will get as far as the world cup quarter finals (at best) and we will finish about 14th in the league (at best). And we will all be very very bored. Devons post was bang on.



Not to defend Southgate but we only needed a point to qualify. Regards the England midfield that's literally all he's got to choose from. There is no English Ozil, Silva or Coutinho unfortunately. It could have been a lot worse. Cleverley, Livermore and Mason are all capped for example.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 06, 2017, 08:57:40 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 06, 2017, 08:26:56 AM
After witnessing that england rubbish last night maybe all other supporters and media are now understanding how most Albion fans are feeling

England have much more talent than the opposition though. We play teams that have way more quality than us or we're on the same level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on October 07, 2017, 07:24:02 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 06, 2017, 08:57:40 PM
England have much more talent than the opposition though. We play teams that have way more quality than us or we're on the same level.

And this is the problem. Despite this we play like we are Slovakia and everyone else is England, Spain, Germany etc. Plus sets us up like massive underdogs every game when in reality we are at minimum on par with most of the team we play
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on October 07, 2017, 10:11:32 PM
Quote from: crocodile007 on October 07, 2017, 07:24:02 PM
And this is the problem. Despite this we play like we are Slovakia and everyone else is England, Spain, Germany etc. Plus sets us up like massive underdogs every game when in reality we are at minimum on par with most of the team we play
Exactly Croc, by all means give every team you play respect but we treat them like the are ALL Real Madrid or PSG !!! I have never seen a team give as much ground or allow as much possession as we do, even in cup games ( slightly different I know ) but at least smaller teams have a go, we would have a siege mentality against Dudley Town !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 07, 2017, 11:27:07 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 06, 2017, 02:28:52 PM
We had around 4 months of good performances last season....not just a couple
I really don't know where this myth as come from about last season ok we beat the foxes away add a good win against Burnley were lucky when we beat Watford 3-1 could have gone either way and then had wins against Hull and Southampton but it wasn't 4 months of good performances and we had heavy defeats around this time including the 4=0 drubbing against spurs and the Man Utd home defeat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 08, 2017, 12:24:19 AM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on October 07, 2017, 11:27:07 PM
I really don't know where this myth as come from about last season ok we beat the foxes away add a good win against Burnley were lucky when we beat Watford 3-1 could have gone either way and then had wins against Hull and Southampton but it wasn't 4 months of good performances and we had heavy defeats around this time including the 4=0 drubbing against spurs and the Man Utd home defeat.

Between October and Feb we were excellent...it’s not a myth at all

It was backed up by good football, goals, not conceding much and during that period league position

Credit where credits due I feel
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on October 08, 2017, 09:07:32 AM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on October 07, 2017, 11:27:07 PM
I really don't know where this myth as come from about last season ok we beat the foxes away add a good win against Burnley were lucky when we beat Watford 3-1 could have gone either way and then had wins against Hull and Southampton but it wasn't 4 months of good performances and we had heavy defeats around this time including the 4=0 drubbing against spurs and the Man Utd home defeat.

Welll there is not one team outside the top 6 then who will go 4 months of playing well without maybe picking up a win that could have gone either way or maybe a heavier defeat against one of the top 5.

If you only accept ‘good periods’ are ones where we win every game convincingly then you are being very unrealistic.

Between October and February last year we were very good in a lot of games and picked up some great wins, if you don’t think that is a good period or you didn’t enjoy those four months I think I’m struggling to understand what it is you are exactly after!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 08, 2017, 10:12:08 AM
Pulis has been in charge for around 34 months now... the fact that people are still holding onto a 5 month period from last season to justify him is pretty embarrassing and desperate.

ANY other manager/coach that provided only 5 months of watchable football in the space of so many months would be sacked, regardless.

I think we are all smart enough to understand that our main target is to stay in the league and it will always be that, we will never be a title challenging team, we will never play like Barcelona, we will never spend the money PSG do.... But with the players pulis has, why can't we have a real good go week in week out?

We played Man city in the cup, Pulis set us up to not lose, he was scared, he didn't have faith in his players and for the first half they made us look like a Sunday league team.... he changed that at half time and we came out to play football.... we gave them a real good run for their money and you could say we were unlucky not to grab more goals. 

Isn't that enough for him to realise that he has a team that is capable of playing football?

I take it as i see it, I'm neither pro nor anti Pulis... If I go to watch us each week and see that he has set us up to play football... he has my support and respect regardless of the result, the problem is every team we play he sets us up to not lose because he has no faith in his team, he don't believe himself that his players can play decent football and win games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 08, 2017, 10:29:35 AM
Genuine question,  was it 4-5 months of good football or "less bad" football? Would neutrals have been clamouring to come back, was the feedback from "pundits" that we were a team to watch, did opposition fans talk about us highly? I didn't renew my season ticket last season so, for me, believe that the baseline was pretty low to begin with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 08, 2017, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on October 08, 2017, 10:29:35 AM
Genuine question,  was it 4-5 months of good football or "less bad" football? Would neutrals have been clamouring to come back, was the feedback from "pundits" that we were a team to watch, did opposition fans talk about us highly? I didn't renew my season ticket last season so, for me, believe that the baseline was pretty low to begin with.
Depends what you class good football. We were still low on possession but we were creating chances and scoring from open play and the likes of Phillips, Chadli and Morrison were chipping in with goals along with Rondon.
I do remember a couple of pundits actually saying 'there's more to this West Brom team than set pieces'.
Chadli's injury and loss of form, Phillips' longer term injury set us back badly at the end of last season (and lack of squad depth).
We are now better equipped to sustain something. Still some concerns over quality up front and that includes the AM/No 10 role. It's a key period for Pulis , there was a sign of better things against Watford even if it was only for 10 or 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 08, 2017, 12:46:00 PM
I think a midfield that includes chadli , Burke and Phillips , with barry/Yacob and Greg is a very good one that would beat most teams

Unfortunately, we tend to go with Livermore,brunt,Morison, mcclean et al.....and yes they work hard and yes they have given good service ......but yes we need to progress , I see why we purchased Livermore and hopefully Barry is a season of steadiness then Livermore takes his slot, but any coach that plays both is already asking for trouble.

The are many arguments on here about one or two strikers, we only need one IF the midfield is mobile and fast enough to get around, who fancies defending Burke,chadli,rondon and Phillips ? Vs who fancies watching rondon on his own with no service or support ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 09, 2017, 01:19:14 AM
The purple patch of last season is rapidly receding. In any event we were running at relegation form before and after it. Equally there were some fairly lame performances during that period e.g. our cup exit to Derby and the football was as it always is with a few notable exceptions and the only real tactical innovation was playing Brunt and Phillips as inverted wingers which did improve us as a a attacking force. Pulis has abandoned this and Phillips has reverted to the traditional right winger and reverted to the uninspiring workhorse we saw at the start of last season.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on October 09, 2017, 01:18:10 PM
My other concern would be that at the start of TP's reign we were considered hard to beat and difficult to break down. That is theory is slowly eroding and sides that probably thought they would 'take the draw' are now realising that we're actually there for the taking - Watford is a classic example.
For a side that sets up not to lose we tend to concede some pretty sloppy goals. I can't imagine many clubs worry about playing us at present as there is usually a point on offer and a chance of all 3.
Yes some will point to our too infrequent wins but they are to scattered and most have been fortunate.
This cannot last - in what is marketed as a competitive league one would have thought all those taking part would play to win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 09, 2017, 06:33:35 PM
'most of our wins have been fortunate' shouldn't come into it ....I'm sure luck probably evens out over a couple of seasons.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 09, 2017, 10:49:47 PM
Don't know what to make of the rumour,could be BS, but now that Wales are out of the World Cup, Chris Coleman will be sacked and the front runner for the job is TP. Like I said it is a rumour.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on October 09, 2017, 11:10:37 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on October 09, 2017, 10:49:47 PM
Don't know what to make of the rumour,could be BS, but now that Wales are out of the World Cup, Chris Coleman will be sacked and the front runner for the job is TP. Like I said it is a rumour.

There isn't any chance that Coleman will be sacked. He may walk, but he won't be sacked. Tonight's was only their second defeat in more than 20 games and their first reversal in Cardiff in more than four years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan87uk on October 10, 2017, 12:37:16 AM
A lot of Wales fans on social media are very annoyed that they just got "Pulis'd" by Ireland, particularly as it was one of his players that finished them off.  :P But then on the other hand they are also saying that if Coleman walks tomorrow then Pulis is their number 1 pick!  ::)

In all seriousness though, If the Wales job comes up for grabs then this could very well be the one and only chance of Pulis leaving the club in any capacity other than through negative results getting him the sack and I genuinely hope he goes for it if it becomes available.

He's completed his mission here, he's stabilised us to a point league position wise, but he can't take us any further playing the kind of football we play and him moving whilst still on pretty good terms can only be good for both parties, particularly as the fanbase opinion of him is slowly becoming more toxic by the week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 10, 2017, 06:29:37 AM
Pulis to Wales is a neat solution but I am far from convinced that he wants it and I'm fairly sure that FAW won't pay the sort of salary he's on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 10, 2017, 06:46:36 AM
Cannot see it happening myself. Coleman had a good Euros and has only just missed out on the WC. With Bale missing it was always going to be a tough game.

Having said all that last night I thought they were bobbins.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 10, 2017, 06:49:10 AM
Quote from: Standaman on October 10, 2017, 06:29:37 AM
Pulis to Wales is a neat solution but I am far from convinced that he wants it and I'm fairly sure that FAW won't pay the sort of salary he's on here.
Maybe if the Welsh Rugby Union job was on the table yes but Pulis football come on!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 10, 2017, 06:54:46 AM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on October 10, 2017, 06:49:10 AM
Maybe if the Welsh Rugby Union job was on the table yes but Pulis football come on!

It worked for Martin O'Neill last night!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 10, 2017, 06:57:21 AM
That would be a game wouldn't it - a Martin O'Neill team against a TP team...... ;D

Wouldn't need Ovaltine for that one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 10, 2017, 07:10:28 AM
I don't think Coleman will be sacked it is more of a question that he will want land a decent club job while his stock is relatively high. With Wales out of the World Cup and before they have started the next qualifying campaign between now and the end of the season would seem to be the ideal opportunity for him to move on.

If the job became available there is an incredibly small pool of Welsh coaches and Pulis would inevitably be linked with the role, if things weren't going too well for him here he might jump but otherwise I doubt he would take it.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 10, 2017, 07:51:45 AM
Please take the wales job if and when, your comfort zone Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 10, 2017, 09:15:51 AM
Probably need to revise my previous post, from what I have read CC was always s going to reconsider his position after the qualifications, so it is a possibility.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 10, 2017, 09:23:21 AM
The FAW would never sack Coleman, it is whether Coleman wants to go back to club management.

I am pretty sure everyone could guess my feelings on it, so we shall wait and see, but it would need to be a hell of an offer to tempt him away from us so I am skeptical.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 10, 2017, 09:48:23 AM
Doubt very much he'd take the Wales job just yet. If he left here he'd have 2 or 3 struggling prem clubs eager to take him on come Nov/Dec with big staying up bonus etc.

The Welsh FA won't pay well enough for TP and he doesn't like sitting on his backside just yet .....3 or 4 years time might be different.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 10, 2017, 11:05:41 AM
Just don't see TP as a National Manager.

RH sumarised it for me when he described the international game as "Tournament Football". Essentially, it's a knockout game, where you have to keep winning.
I just don't see TP being able to play his percentage game in those circumstances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 10, 2017, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: Adder on October 10, 2017, 09:48:23 AM
Doubt very much he'd take the Wales job just yet. If he left here he'd have 2 or 3 struggling prem clubs eager to take him on come Nov/Dec with big staying up bonus etc.

The Welsh FA won't pay well enough for TP and he doesn't like sitting on his backside just yet .....3 or 4 years time might be different.

Indeed they don't. Coleman was supposed to be on just over £200,000 at Euro 2016.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/highest-paid-managers-euro-2016-11537643


If Bournemouth were struggling and sacked Howe, I could see Pulis being tempted by being near to home (whether they'd want him is a different issue!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 10, 2017, 11:21:03 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on October 10, 2017, 11:05:41 AM
Just don't see TP as a National Manager.

RH sumarised it for me when he described the international game as "Tournament Football". Essentially, it's a knockout game, where you have to keep winning.
I just don't see TP being able to play his percentage game in those circumstances.

For a team like Wales; drawing a lot can be beneficial. Sure Republic of Ireland's greatest ever World Cup success saw them not managing to win a single game in the tournament. Three draws to qualify from group and a penalty shoot-out against Romania to advance to quarter-finals. His not lose/nick a goal attitude, give up possession and stifle opposition with some good set-piece play involved is pretty much the template for both Northern Ireland and the Republic.

Wales though go seem to be playing to a different template; even without the services of Gareth Bale with a more continental possession style; so would be a shift in focus should Pulis take over there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 10, 2017, 11:42:32 AM
If he went to Bournemouth they the supporters would need counselling. one extreme style to another
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 10, 2017, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: ronnie_allen on October 10, 2017, 11:21:03 AM
For a team like Wales; drawing a lot can be beneficial. Sure Republic of Ireland's greatest ever World Cup success saw them not managing to win a single game in the tournament. Three draws to qualify from group and a penalty shoot-out against Romania to advance to quarter-finals. His not lose/nick a goal attitude, give up possession and stifle opposition with some good set-piece play involved is pretty much the template for both Northern Ireland and the Republic.

Wales though go seem to be playing to a different template; even without the services of Gareth Bale with a more continental possession style; so would be a shift in focus should Pulis take over there.
Can you imagine Gareth Bale in a Pulis side??? Like putting a Ferrari engine in a road sweeper!
Mind you didn't he start as a Left Back?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 10, 2017, 12:20:23 PM
Quote from: ronnie_allen on October 10, 2017, 11:21:03 AM
For a team like Wales; drawing a lot can be beneficial. Sure Republic of Ireland's greatest ever World Cup success saw them not managing to win a single game in the tournament. Three draws to qualify from group and a penalty shoot-out against Romania to advance to quarter-finals. His not lose/nick a goal attitude, give up possession and stifle opposition with some good set-piece play involved is pretty much the template for both Northern Ireland and the Republic.

Wales though go seem to be playing to a different template; even without the services of Gareth Bale with a more continental possession style; so would be a shift in focus should Pulis take over there.

Sorry Ronnie, i can't subscribe to that view, qualifying with 3 points is a fluke really, and the penalty shoot out is a lottery, you can't set your stall out to do that. I would argue setting out to win is more important in a cup competition.

More importantly if TP reads that he will think it justifies his negative, cowardly approach to most matches.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 10, 2017, 01:12:53 PM
Quote from: Standaman on October 10, 2017, 06:29:37 AM
Pulis to Wales is a neat solution but I am far from convinced that he wants it and I'm fairly sure that FAW won't pay the sort of salary he's on here.

Very true, heard on the radio that the Welsh manager is on less than a million a year, whereas pulis must be on at least 3 million here
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 10, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 10, 2017, 01:12:53 PM
Very true, heard on the radio that the Welsh manager is on less than a million a year, whereas pulis must be on at least 3 million here

According to the Birmingham Mail, it's £2 million per year with us - so effectively he would be going to Wales on 10 X less money, seems like a non-starter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 10, 2017, 03:32:49 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 10, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
According to the Birmingham Mail, it's £2 million per year with us - so effectively he would be going to Wales on 10 X less money, seems like a non-starter.

It all depends on how much they want him really......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 10, 2017, 04:52:56 PM
? 2m is 10x less than 3m ?

After tax, NI, union dues, agents fees, fuel  etc, he wouldn't notice the difference (I hope)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 10, 2017, 06:18:09 PM
season ticket sales have increased this season under pulis :o

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/905633803?-11200:789:0

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on October 10, 2017, 07:15:59 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 10, 2017, 06:18:09 PM
season ticket sales have increased this season under pulis :o

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/905633803?-11200:789:0

Not recovered all of the ~2000 lost last season though which was largely down to his football. If people want to give him credit for the numbers going up, they have to blame him for them falling off a cliff 12 months earlier!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 10, 2017, 08:18:49 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 10, 2017, 06:18:09 PM
season ticket sales have increased this season under pulis :o

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/905633803?-11200:789:0

Great news.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wigmore on October 11, 2017, 01:26:06 AM
Quote from: wbawill on October 10, 2017, 07:15:59 PM
Not recovered all of the ~2000 lost last season though which was largely down to his football. If people want to give him credit for the numbers going up, they have to blame him for them falling off a cliff 12 months earlier!

If relatively minor variations in ST numbers can be described as 'falling off a cliff', how would the inevitable exodus of support (which would follow the relegation that some posters on here are apparently wishing for) be categorised ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on October 11, 2017, 07:09:26 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 10, 2017, 06:18:09 PM
season ticket sales have increased this season under pulis :o

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/905633803?-11200:789:0

Impact of some decent signings maybe?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 11, 2017, 08:10:30 AM
Quote from: swad35 on October 11, 2017, 07:09:26 AM
Impact of some decent signings maybe?
I think the swathes of unsold seats at most home games (and the low numbers of away tickets we request) so far this season tell their own story.
We are down to our hard core of support with few if any casual walk up ticket purchases happening and we will all have our own theories as to why this is but the p***s poor 'entertainment' on offer surely must be a factor
I remember reading threads about how this was our chance to pick up the floating 'fans' who would flock to us as the only purveyors of Premiership football in the Midlands even if only to see the big 6 in action. Well there is so far little evidence of this happening
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 11, 2017, 07:16:23 PM
Could that not be down to the fact attendances have dropped across the board as a whole, rather than blaming the second coming of lucifer, tony pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on October 11, 2017, 07:24:36 PM
On the shortlist for the Wales job ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 11, 2017, 08:37:20 PM
I hope he doesn't go purely because grass is rarely greener on the other side....BUT i would like us to have the TP in charge that masterminded that wonderful period last year....rather than the TP of 15/16 because all though we havent been that bad this season, it still stings how god awful we were that year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 11, 2017, 08:42:41 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 11, 2017, 08:37:20 PM
I hope he doesn't go purely because grass is rarely greener on the other side....BUT i would like us to have the TP in charge that masterminded that wonderful period last year....rather than the TP of 15/16 because all though we havent been that bad this season, it still stings how god awful we were that year.
Yes indeed I agree 100% I know the past never is really the mirror of the future.What would worry me is the up and down like stuff we had in recent times.It is an old issue but? One day he will move on then we will see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 11, 2017, 09:40:54 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 11, 2017, 07:16:23 PM
Could that not be down to the fact attendances have dropped across the board as a whole, rather than blaming the second coming of lucifer, tony pulis?
Home season ticket sales won't change that much whilst we are in the Prem what as dropped off the cliff though is the away support with us taking up the minimum allocations. I went to Burnley first away game of the season and could not believe the amount of empty seats in our end. I believe this is exactly what happened at Stoke in the latter years of his tenure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on October 12, 2017, 04:41:19 AM
I highly doubt Coleman is going to walk

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 12, 2017, 09:06:17 AM
I think Pulis would be great for Wales personally. It might also not be the worst situation for us - compensation , chance to freshen things up..............chance to get a few fans back on side who seem to be losing interest..........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 12, 2017, 09:10:42 AM
hes killed it for me and i cant even be bothered to stream it anymore. gobsamacked its come to this really with all the time and effort over the years i have put into the Albion. Coleman also wouldnt be the answer if pulis left us.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 12, 2017, 10:22:30 AM
My only concern about Pulis leaving is who we would appoint as I have little or no faith in us to get the right man in. Sadly the one man I would have wanted and we could easily have brought in early in the summer is now at Watford.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 12, 2017, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 12, 2017, 10:22:30 AM
My only concern about Pulis leaving is who we would appoint as I have little or no faith in us to get the right man in. Sadly the one man I would have wanted and we could easily have brought in early in the summer is now at Watford.

Firing a manager after a top 10 finish with our resources is ridiculous. Proper football manager movements  >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 12, 2017, 12:17:02 PM
Big Sam would be our number one target I reckon. Anyway I expect Pulis will be here for at least another two seasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 12, 2017, 12:17:50 PM
Calm yourselves gents.

Said he's staying and dismissed the speculation.

You  an all breathe a sigh of relief.

Still plenty to moan about  :P .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 12, 2017, 12:20:05 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on October 12, 2017, 12:17:50 PM
Calm yourselves gents.

Said he's staying and dismissed the speculation.

You  an all breathe a sigh of relief.

Still plenty to moan about  :P .

tony pulis, the man who's cancelled christmas

if you listen to some posters  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 12, 2017, 12:21:16 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 12, 2017, 12:20:05 PM
tony pulis, the man who's cancelled christmas

if you listen to some posters  ;D ;D ;D

You're a mean one Mr Pulis  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 12, 2017, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 12, 2017, 12:20:05 PM
tony pulis, the man who's cancelled christmas

if you listen to some posters  ;D ;D ;D

Shot Bambi as well apparently,busy boy  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 12, 2017, 12:23:27 PM
Pulis will be gone good and proper by the end of the season.We will see no sign of football  improvement between now and then.yes we had a purple patch of a few games last season but we were still second best in footballing terms. the bloke should retire from football, hes no good for the development of football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 12, 2017, 12:29:01 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 12, 2017, 12:23:27 PM
Pulis will be gone good and proper by the end of the season.We will see no sign of football  improvement between now and then.yes we had a purple patch of a few games last season but we were still second best in footballing terms. the bloke should retire from football, hes no good for the development of football

Purple patch lasted from about October till March, where we threatened to compete with Everton for 7th until we fell away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 12, 2017, 01:25:45 PM
I see cabin fever is rife again..........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 12, 2017, 01:28:31 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 12, 2017, 12:23:27 PM
Pulis will be gone good and proper by the end of the season.We will see no sign of football  improvement between now and then.yes we had a purple patch of a few games last season but we were still second best in footballing terms. the bloke should retire from football, hes no good for the development of football

Not unless we look like getting relegated he won't, he's got a contract until 2019.

As Legend has pointed out the purple patch last a lot longer than a few games and I'm struggling to think of one game that we won in that time where we weren't the better side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 12, 2017, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 12, 2017, 12:29:01 PM
Purple patch lasted from about October till March, where we threatened to compete with Everton for 7th until we fell away.

Clutching at straws if that's all you can keep banging on about, what about the other 29 months or so where he has completely bored fans to death and sucked all the footballing ability out of our better players?

It's just a shame that its not about football anymore, its just a business now.

The owners dont REALLY care about us fans, the players have no loyalty.... and pulis especially doesn't give a t*ss thats for sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 12, 2017, 01:47:13 PM
Would say it was from the Leicester game in November until the Bournemouth game in February, personally and saw us pick up 9 wins from 17 games in that period. What came after it was inexcusable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 12, 2017, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 12, 2017, 01:35:06 PM
Clutching at straws if that's all you can keep banging on about, what about the other 29 months or so where he has completely bored fans to death and sucked all the footballing ability out of our better players?

It's just a shame that its not about football anymore, its just a business now.

The owners dont REALLY care about us fans, the players have no loyalty.... and pulis especially doesn't give a t*ss thats for sure.

Adam don't rise to it, Leg End is permanently on a wind up, you are just encouraging him, he's clearly a very bored individual  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 12, 2017, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: Albionic on October 12, 2017, 02:48:45 PM
Adam don't rise to it, Leg End is permanently on a wind up, you are just encouraging him, he's clearly a very bored individual  ::)

eh? That is a very poor post from you. I'm just stating a fact. Or is your dislike of Pulis so intense that you can not handle the truth?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 12, 2017, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 12, 2017, 03:03:18 PM
eh? That is a very poor post from you. I'm just stating a fact. Or is your dislike of Pulis so intense that you can not handle the truth?

Thats better, but still not rising ! :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 12, 2017, 04:16:09 PM
I can remember games when we used to chant..."We want six"!... Games were attacking games.
Now the fans chant "Please can we have one at least".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on October 12, 2017, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 12, 2017, 04:16:09 PM
I can remember games when we used to chant..."We want six"!... Games were attacking games.
Now the fans chant "Please can we have one at least".
Now we have games without a shot, never mind a goal !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 12, 2017, 04:39:21 PM
Oct 2016 -   played 4, won 0
Nov 2016 -   p3, won 2
Dec 2016 -   p6, won 3
Jan 2017 -    p4, won 2
Feb 2017 -    p3, won 2
Mar 2017 -   p3, won 1


so to be factual  From Oct until march is correct technically, but the REAL Period of playing well was Nov-Feb incl (p16, won 9)

Its disingenuous to include October and March in the we played well period argument.

In FACT over his term at B71 his stats are  W29   D30   L38   Total97   Win %29.90

So with a less than 30% win rate and a "style" that alienates a proportion of the fanbase. We can cling to a period of 16 games when he won 9, That is bloody depressing in my book, and all with what has to be considered our best squad for 30plus years !

Leg End asked "is your dislike of Pulis so intense that you can not handle the truth", my response is that,

I find his football rubbish and the FACTS do not support that he is doing a very good job.

So yes I do dislike his football intensely, I don't know the man so will not comment on him personally.
 

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 12, 2017, 04:49:02 PM
Quote from: Albionic on October 12, 2017, 04:39:21 PM
Oct 2016 -   played 4, won 0
Nov 2016 -   p3, won 2
Dec 2016 -   p6, won 3
Jan 2017 -    p4, won 2
Feb 2017 -    p3, won 2
Mar 2017 -   p3, won 1


so to be factual  From Oct until march is correct technically, but the REAL Period of playing well was Nov-Feb incl (p16, won 9)

Its disingenuous to include October and March in the we played well period argument.

In FACT over his term at B71 his stats are  W29   D30   L38   Total97   Win %29.90

So with a less than 30% win rate and a "style" that alienates a proportion of the fanbase. We can cling to a period of 16 games when he won 9, That is bloody depressing in my book, and all with what has to be considered our best squad for 30plus years !

Leg End asked "is your dislike of Pulis so intense that you can not handle the truth", my response is that,

I find his football rubbish and the FACTS do not support that he is doing a very good job.

So yes I do dislike his football intensely, I don't know the man so will not comment on him personally.

2 points in October with fixtures again Liverpool, City and Spurs is not bad IMO. I accept your opinion about the football but the fact we finished top half last season and are currently 10th now DO support the fact he is doing a very good job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 12, 2017, 04:51:10 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 12, 2017, 04:49:02 PM
2 points in October with fixtures again Liverpool, City and Spurs is not bad IMO. I accept your opinion about the football but the fact we finished top half last season and are currently 10th now DO support the fact he is doing a very good job.

We will have to agree to disagree, we should revisit at the end of the season

Better profile picture BTW !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 12, 2017, 05:04:59 PM
Quote from: Albionic on October 12, 2017, 04:51:10 PM
We will have to agree to disagree, we should revisit at the end of the season

Better profile picture BTW !

 8)

Agreed. It will be an interesting season, hopefully a good one for all our sakes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 12, 2017, 05:13:16 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 12, 2017, 04:16:09 PM
I can remember games when we used to chant..."We want six"!... Games were attacking games.
Now the fans chant "Please can we have one at least".

Was it six??? Misheard it as I was chanting something else.... :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 12, 2017, 05:29:05 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 12, 2017, 04:16:09 PM
I can remember games when we used to chant..."We want six"!... Games were attacking games.
Now the fans chant "Please can we have one at least".
Fans now cheer and sing TLMS when we have a shot!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 13, 2017, 08:23:25 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 12, 2017, 01:35:06 PM
Clutching at straws if that's all you can keep banging on about, what about the other 29 months or so where he has completely bored fans to death and sucked all the footballing ability out of our better players?

It's just a shame that its not about football anymore, its just a business now.

The owners dont REALLY care about us fans, the players have no loyalty.... and pulis especially doesn't give a t*ss thats for sure.

 It's not just a purple patch last season though, what about when he first came in and we kept 10 clean sheets in 18 league games and went on a cup run to the QF's? I don't recall fans being bored by that. In fact I seem to recall a lot of fans being optimistic for the following season.(which was poor; although we did somehow manage to struggle to the 5th round of the FA Cup, which before Pulis we hadn't done since Mowbray in 2008 and in fact have only reached or bettered 38 times in our 139yr history)

Agreed that the rest of it has been **** poor though!

I'm not particularly pro or anti Pulis, I do think we should have replaced him in the Summer (and definitely not given him a contract extension). I'm just trying to show that he hasn't been as bad as some are making out.

Your point about it not being about (entertaining) football anymore is totally valid but that's not really the fault of Tony Pulis either he's just a symptom of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 13, 2017, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 13, 2017, 08:23:25 AM
It's not just a purple patch last season though, what about when he first came in and we kept 10 clean sheets in 18 league games and went on a cup run to the QF's? I don't recall fans being bored by that. In fact I seem to recall a lot of fans being optimistic for the following season.(which was poor; although we did somehow manage to struggle to the 5th round of the FA Cup, which before Pulis we hadn't done since Mowbray in 2008 and in fact have only reached or bettered 38 times in our 139yr history)

Agreed that the rest of it has been **** poor though!

I'm not particularly pro or anti Pulis, I do think we should have replaced him in the Summer (and definitely not given him a contract extension). I'm just trying to show that he hasn't been as bad as some are making out.

Your point about it not being about (entertaining) football anymore is totally valid but that's not really the fault of Tony Pulis either he's just a symptom of it.

Those first 18 games your referring to weren't exactly amazing though were they?

Yes we pinched a couple of wins from the likes of united and chelsea, but we also got slumped by the likes of Leicester on Jeff Astle Day, got smashed by a relegated QPR that season and also lost to villa twice in one week seeing them climb out of the relegation zone after them beating us in the league and progress to Wembley after their cup win.

All good and well looking back at the amount of clean sheets we made but when you think about the actual football games involved, we were poop.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 13, 2017, 11:14:00 AM
lack of clean sheets this time around hopefully will be his downfall
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 13, 2017, 11:38:21 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 13, 2017, 11:11:47 AM
Those first 18 games your referring to weren't exactly amazing though were they?

Yes we pinched a couple of wins from the likes of united and chelsea, but we also got slumped by the likes of Leicester on Jeff Astle Day, got smashed by a relegated QPR that season and also lost to villa twice in one week seeing them climb out of the relegation zone after them beating us in the league and progress to Wembley after their cup win.

All good and well looking back at the amount of clean sheets we made but when you think about the actual football games involved, we were poop.

We lost to Leicester because of a poor defensive decision by McAuley otherwise it'd have been a draw and against villa we were on for a draw but for a stupid decision by Foster. Yes we were poor against villa in the Cup but if Ideye had put the ball in the net from 3 yards it might have been a different game..small margins.  But yeah we were awful against QPR and also at home to Spurs (0-3), other than those games I thought we played okay for a side at risk of relegation (which we were) with the odd bright game equalling out for me the amount of really bad games.
 
The football we played in the cup run up to the Villa game was good especially the home game against West ham and the game at Blues.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 13, 2017, 12:10:19 PM
My memory doesn't stretch that far back but a quick google search tells me in the Blues game that we were 'especially good' at...well Blues had 29 shots compared to our 11, so it seems unlikely we were that great.

Clearly we have had spells where we have been as equally good as other mid tables teams, and very occasionally the better team.

However there has been A LOT of games against mid/lower table teams where we been comfortably outplayed in a footballing sense, having in the high 20's of possession and significantly less chances.

Therin lies the entertainment problem.

The owners shouldn't sack him unless if the risk of relegation is high or the ticket sales drop off so much that profit margins are seriously damaged (which won't happen anyways as so much revenue is tied up in tv money now)

So until that happens this debate will just go round in circles. If you are mind numbingly bored by the football like myself, then just don't watch or go to the games.

But if for some bizarre reason you are not bored to tears (i.e Legend assuming he's not just trolling) then fair play. I'm glad at least someone is enjoying it

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 13, 2017, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on October 13, 2017, 12:10:19 PM
My memory doesn't stretch that far back but a quick google search tells me in the Blues game that we were 'especially good' at...well Blues had 29 shots compared to our 11, so it seems unlikely we were that great.

Clearly we have had spells where we have been as equally good as other mid tables teams, and very occasionally the better team.

However there has been A LOT of games against mid/lower table teams where we been comfortably outplayed in a footballing sense, having in the high 20's of possession and significantly less chances.

Therin lies the entertainment problem.

The owners shouldn't sack him unless if the risk of relegation is high or the ticket sales drop off so much that profit margins are seriously damaged (which won't happen anyways as so much revenue is tied up in tv money now)

So until that happens this debate will just go round in circles. If you are mind numbingly bored by the football like myself, then just don't watch or go to the games.

But if for some bizarre reason you are not bored to tears (i.e Legend assuming he's not just trolling) then fair play. I'm glad at least someone is enjoying it


My guess is for those that enjoy going its more for the day out on the lash with mates
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 13, 2017, 12:54:59 PM
I enjoy getting to go and watch the team I've supported my whole life play football live. When I was at school (and now at work as well) I was envied for being able to go to all the games and watch us take on other teams.

If anything the worst thing about the match day experience is the constant negativity in the stands rather than the football on the pitch. I remember the days when we used to laugh things off and joke about the team if we were playing badly. Now it's a horrible negative atmosphere at times for the smallest of mistakes which is making it less enjoyable for me, not the manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 13, 2017, 01:21:56 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on October 13, 2017, 12:10:19 PM
My memory doesn't stretch that far back but a quick google search tells me in the Blues game that we were 'especially good' at...well Blues had 29 shots compared to our 11, so it seems unlikely we were that great.

Clearly we have had spells where we have been as equally good as other mid tables teams, and very occasionally the better team.

However there has been A LOT of games against mid/lower table teams where we been comfortably outplayed in a footballing sense, having in the high 20's of possession and significantly less chances.

Therin lies the entertainment problem.

The owners shouldn't sack him unless if the risk of relegation is high or the ticket sales drop off so much that profit margins are seriously damaged (which won't happen anyways as so much revenue is tied up in tv money now)

So until that happens this debate will just go round in circles. If you are mind numbingly bored by the football like myself, then just don't watch or go to the games.

But if for some bizarre reason you are not bored to tears (i.e Legend assuming he's not just trolling) then fair play. I'm glad at least someone is enjoying it

fair enough Jordan, I agree with most of what you say. Like you I want to see a better brand of football but I'll still go along home and away as I don't want to miss the games where we do turn up and play well, but I'll be pleased when Pulis does go (as long as it doesn't coincide with us being relegated of course).
Like The Brom says I enjoy watching the team I have supported my whole life.

With regard to the Blues game them having more shots than us doesn't mean they played better than us though (which in my opinion they didn't). To be honest what I remember most from that day though was Anichebe playing really well and scoring 2; leaving me to ponder why he didn't do it more often.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 13, 2017, 02:22:34 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 13, 2017, 01:21:56 PM
fair enough Jordan, I agree with most of what you say. Like you I want to see a better brand of football but I'll still go along home and away as I don't want to miss the games where we do turn up and play well, but I'll be pleased when Pulis does go (as long as it doesn't coincide with us being relegated of course).
Like The Brom says I enjoy watching the team I have supported my whole life.

With regard to the Blues game them having more shots than us doesn't mean they played better than us though (which in my opinion they didn't). To be honest what I remember most from that day though was Anichebe playing really well and scoring 2; leaving me to ponder why he didn't do it more often.

I was at the game as well. For me we were the better side for about the opening 40 minutes or so without ever really moving up out of second gear. Anichebe did look useful, but then he was up against an ageing Paul Robinson deputising as an emergency centre half for much of the game.

However, once Blues got that goal back on the stroke of half time for me there was pretty much only one team in it, and it wasn't Albion. Blues deserved a draw at the very least that day. Lescott at left back was especially poor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 13, 2017, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on October 13, 2017, 02:22:34 PM
I was at the game as well. For me we were the better side for about the opening 40 minutes or so without ever really moving up out of second gear. Anichebe did look useful, but then he was up against an ageing Paul Robinson deputising as an emergency centre half for much of the game.

However, once Blues got that goal back on the stroke of half time for me there was pretty much only one team in it, and it wasn't Albion. Blues deserved a draw at the very least that day. Lescott at left back was especially poor.

oddly I was going to say that I didn't think Blues played well apart from about 20 mins at the start of the second half, but I do agree they were geed up by the goal and although they huffed and puffed they didn't look like scoring again and certainly not once Foster had come on for Myhill.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 13, 2017, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 13, 2017, 03:01:05 PM
oddly I was going to say that I didn't think Blues played well apart from about 20 mins at the start of the second half, but I do agree they were geed up by the goal and although they huffed and puffed they didn't look like scoring again and certainly not once Foster had come on for Myhill.

If you don't think they looked like scoring after Foster came on I'd encourage you to watch the highlights when you get a moment. Especially from 2:05 mins. Blues had other decent chances too, we got off light in those instances due to poor finishing. Blues may have got off light in the first half, but we got off very light in the second.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30860404
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 13, 2017, 08:00:59 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 13, 2017, 12:54:59 PM
I enjoy getting to go and watch the team I've supported my whole life play football live. When I was at school (and now at work as well) I was envied for being able to go to all the games and watch us take on other teams.

If anything the worst thing about the match day experience is the constant negativity in the stands rather than the football on the pitch. I remember the days when we used to laugh things off and joke about the team if we were playing badly. Now it's a horrible negative atmosphere at times for the smallest of mistakes which is making it less enjoyable for me, not the manager
I think you are speaking for a lot of supporters there, my sentiments too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 13, 2017, 08:30:57 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 13, 2017, 12:54:59 PM
I enjoy getting to go and watch the team I've supported my whole life play football live. When I was at school (and now at work as well) I was envied for being able to go to all the games and watch us take on other teams.

If anything the worst thing about the match day experience is the constant negativity in the stands rather than the football on the pitch. I remember the days when we used to laugh things off and joke about the team if we were playing badly. Now it's a horrible negative atmosphere at times for the smallest of mistakes which is making it less enjoyable for me, not the manager

But the only reason there is so much negativity in the stands, is because of how negative it is on the pitch ironically.

The fans attitude will only reflect on what they are witnessing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 13, 2017, 11:24:07 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 13, 2017, 08:30:57 PM
But the only reason there is so much negativity in the stands, is because of how negative it is on the pitch ironically.

The fans attitude will only reflect on what they are witnessing.

The bit you've highlighted is my opinion of what I don't like about matchday, regardless of perceived negativity on the pitch.

Negativity in the stands over the smallest of mistakes or misplaced passes or missed chances also breeds further negativity on the pitch. Players lose confidence, don't want to try anything risky for fear of the backlash and the initiative is handed to the opponent. Then repeat. Can see why the players just want to get rid of the ball sometimes.

This negativity also starts before a ball is kicked as some supporters in the stands have made up their mind that they don't like Pulis and are waiting for the first opportunity to have a go when one of the players makes a mistake.

I imagine opposition managers are also aware of this and use it to their advantage. How many times have we said in the past before an away game that all we have to do is get the home crowd to turn and we'll be on to a winner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 14, 2017, 01:08:42 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 13, 2017, 11:24:07 PM
The bit you've highlighted is my opinion of what I don't like about matchday, regardless of perceived negativity on the pitch.

Negativity in the stands over the smallest of mistakes or misplaced passes or missed chances also breeds further negativity on the pitch. Players lose confidence, don't want to try anything risky for fear of the backlash and the initiative is handed to the opponent. Then repeat. Can see why the players just want to get rid of the ball sometimes.

This negativity also starts before a ball is kicked as some supporters in the stands have made up their mind that they don't like Pulis and are waiting for the first opportunity to have a go when one of the players makes a mistake.

I imagine opposition managers are also aware of this and use it to their advantage. How many times have we said in the past before an away game that all we have to do is get the home crowd to turn and we'll be on to a winner.

If you genuinely believe that players care about what fans are saying or rush to get rid of the ball because of what fans may say, I'm sorry but your completely mistaken.

You can't seriously expect fans to go and watch a negative coach/manager set up a team so negative and expect them to be positive about the outcome can you?

Can't quite understand why people would go there to intentionally moan about pulis like your making out.... there are the people that will go there and be happy no matter what, but there are also people that go there and clearly voice their opinion on what they are witnessing... they are paying their money to do so, so why should they settle for less than we ALL deserve as paying fans and keep their mouths shut just to please other fans?

I know whoever is in charge will not please everyone, but it's very clear that pulis is becoming less popular the longer he is here... no matter how much people try to defend or make excuses for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on October 14, 2017, 06:48:02 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 14, 2017, 01:08:42 AM
If you genuinely believe that players care about what fans are saying or rush to get rid of the ball because of what fans may say, I'm sorry but your completely mistaken.

You can't seriously expect fans to go and watch a negative coach/manager set up a team so negative and expect them to be positive about the outcome can you?

Can't quite understand why people would go there to intentionally moan about pulis like your making out.... there are the people that will go there and be happy no matter what, but there are also people that go there and clearly voice their opinion on what they are witnessing... they are paying their money to do so, so why should they settle for less than we ALL deserve as paying fans and keep their mouths shut just to please other fans?

I know whoever is in charge will not please everyone, but it's very clear that pulis is becoming less popular the longer he is here... no matter how much people try to defend or make excuses for him.

The fans at Stoke turned on him just the same as the fans here are.
They were doing mid season every season.
What's the point in being just canon fodder for the big six?
If it was just about staying in the greed league the fans would be quite happy, but we all know its a bit more than that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 14, 2017, 08:48:57 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on October 14, 2017, 06:48:02 AM
The fans at Stoke turned on him just the same as the fans here are.
They were doing mid season every season.
What's the point in being just canon fodder for the big six?
If it was just about staying in the greed league the fans would be quite happy, but we all know its a bit more than that.
Wasn't the final straw there him turning out a reserve side at a must win European away game to make some sort of point to the owners?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 14, 2017, 01:37:46 PM
The suggestion that negativity in the stands translates to negativity on the pitch is just completely false

They are professional athletes not teenagers. I know fans like to think they are influencing the action in some way but they really really aren't.

That being said turning up just to moan and be negative all game is really dumb too. Why are you choosing to be miserable? There's plenty of other things to do on a Saturday which will make you happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on October 14, 2017, 02:44:09 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on October 14, 2017, 01:37:46 PM
The suggestion that negativity in the stands translates to negativity on the pitch is just completely false

They are professional athletes not teenagers. I know fans like to think they are influencing the action in some way but they really really aren't.

That being said turning up just to moan and be negative all game is really dumb too. Why are you choosing to be miserable? There's plenty of other things to do on a Saturday which will make you happy.

I personally turn up in the hope that we can replicate the form of last November to February and sustain it.
Its not impossible we have the players to do it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 14, 2017, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on October 14, 2017, 01:37:46 PM
The suggestion that negativity in the stands translates to negativity on the pitch is just completely false

They are professional athletes not teenagers. I know fans like to think they are influencing the action in some way but they really really aren't.

That being said turning up just to moan and be negative all game is really dumb too. Why are you choosing to be miserable? There's plenty of other things to do on a Saturday which will make you happy.

Completely agree with your comment, I think the problem is.. fans are turning up with hope like tuamigos said.... but are then reminded of how boring and negative we are on the pitch... which is only influenced by one man. not the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 14, 2017, 07:01:38 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on October 14, 2017, 08:48:57 AM
Wasn't the final straw there him turning out a reserve side at a must win European away game to make some sort of point to the owners?
I think that's true if my memory's correct, in all fairness I think he told supporters not to travel and did say what his plans were. di matteo should have done the same when we played Ipswich in the league cup QF.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 14, 2017, 08:17:15 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 14, 2017, 07:01:38 PM
I think that's true if my memory's correct, in all fairness I think he told supporters not to travel and did say what his plans were. di matteo should have done the same when we played Ipswich in the league cup QF.
Did you have to remind me of that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 14, 2017, 10:48:55 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 14, 2017, 03:36:40 PM
Completely agree with your comment, I think the problem is.. fans are turning up with hope like tuamigos said.... but are then reminded of how boring and negative we are on the pitch... which is only influenced by one man. not the fans.

Ordinarily, I have a lot of time for your opinions Adam, but on this occcasion, I think you're wrong.
IMO the atmosphere in the stadium has a massive influence on how players perform.

I am also of the opinion that fans are influenced more by positive results than playing style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 14, 2017, 11:44:58 PM
a crunching tackle, a flowing move, a winger beating his full back all things which can lift the crowd and the players can feed off the crowd its true.
Conversely 2 banks of 4 / 5 shuffling sideways time and again followed by a big hoof the poor cf being outnumbered 3/4 to one and the cycle starts again is not going to give the crowd the lift is it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 15, 2017, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on October 14, 2017, 10:48:55 PM
Ordinarily, I have a lot of time for your opinions Adam, but on this occcasion, I think you're wrong.
IMO the atmosphere in the stadium has a massive influence on how players perform.

I am also of the opinion that fans are influenced more by positive results than playing style.

like you say, in your opinion.

We are talking about professionals that are doing a job they are getting paid for... there is only one man at that ground on match days that has an effect on them.. and that's their boss.

You really think McLean is bothered by the constant abuse he gets weekly? Or Rondon is bothered because 50 year old robert is booing him for missing a sitter?

Fans will react depending on what they are seeing, but players won't play to a certain level depending on how the fans are acting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 15, 2017, 08:17:00 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 14, 2017, 07:01:38 PM
I think that's true if my memory's correct, in all fairness I think he told supporters not to travel and did say what his plans were. di matteo should have done the same when we played Ipswich in the league cup QF.

It was the point when the fans began to turn. Pulis had been rotating his squad particularly on the away European games and continued to do so in the return leg when they were 1 down to a Valencia side who had out classed Stoke in the home leg.

Unfortunately for Pulis this was one of the times when being pragmatic came into direct conflict with fans desire to dream, after all they were only 1 goal down. Telling them not to travel was pointless most had booked their tickets before the home game anyway so 5,000 fans made the trip.

As luck would have it the second string made a decent fist of it and unfortunately for Pulis they had a couple of presentable chances fall to Crouch's stand in Kenwyne Jones who fluffed his lines and Valencia ran out 1-0 winners.

Things were never quite the same for him at Stoke after that and he left at the end of the following season by which time most fans were glad to see the back of him. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 15, 2017, 07:01:57 PM
The never ending debate continues.
Atmosphere dead at the hawthorns not in part due to the football on show. Away attendances dropping because of how we set up.

As people have said we had a 3 month spell where it was abit better and we cling to the hope that we may see that again. Evidence suggests players we have on the books can play and entertain but aren't instructed to do so.

Stoke fans got bored of survival only football. A lot of Albion fans have already got bored of it. Best squad for a long time limited by the head coach. I want pulis to be successful and entertain I don't want him to fail neither do I want my team to fail. But unfortunately I can't see pulis being providing us with entertaining football and due to the negative set I can't see us doing anything akin to success in the cup competitions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 15, 2017, 08:50:12 PM
The next 10 games leading up to Christmas will be big for Pulis. I do think there was a 10-15 minute period against Watford where we looked better. The new players have had a bit of time to bed in and improve fitness levels. We need to step it up a bit further now...especially in the 3 away games tomorrow, Southampton and Huddersfield. Couple of tough games coming up at home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on October 16, 2017, 08:03:43 AM
I'd go further and say the next 5 games are crucial for Pulis. Don't win any and Pulis goes. (Then Megson steps up, takes over as caretaker for season, gets relegated, thus tarnishing his record which is why he should never have come back...)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on October 16, 2017, 08:23:49 AM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on October 16, 2017, 08:03:43 AM
I'd go further and say the next 5 games are crucial for Pulis. Don't win any and Pulis goes. (Then Megson steps up, takes over as caretaker for season, gets relegated, thus tarnishing his record which is why he should never have come back...)

Honestly any reasonable manager (Megson included), with the squad we now have,  who just loosens up the defensive strangle the we operate under...

and actual tries to control a game by holding a bit of possession,  will have us no where near relegation..



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 16, 2017, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on October 15, 2017, 07:01:57 PM
The never ending debate continues.
Atmosphere dead at the hawthorns not in part due to the football on show. Away attendances dropping because of how we set up.

As people have said we had a 3 month spell where it was abit better and we cling to the hope that we may see that again. Evidence suggests players we have on the books can play and entertain but aren't instructed to do so.

Stoke fans got bored of survival only football. A lot of Albion fans have already got bored of it. Best squad for a long time limited by the head coach. I want pulis to be successful and entertain I don't want him to fail neither do I want my team to fail. But unfortunately I can't see pulis being providing us with entertaining football and due to the negative set I can't see us doing anything akin to success in the cup competitions

Well its back again by the looks of it and TP is nowhere to be seen.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 16, 2017, 11:46:13 AM
Pulis' plan..Retreat backwards and hoof the ball. Just pack the defence and invite the other team into your half and penalty area.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 16, 2017, 12:48:15 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on October 16, 2017, 08:35:00 AM
Well its back again by the looks of it and TP is nowhere to be seen.......

well I cant speak for there bad appointment...
I would just hope we don't replace pulis with a mark hughes but im sure there is better out there somewhere
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wigmore on October 16, 2017, 12:51:04 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on October 16, 2017, 08:03:43 AM
I'd go further and say the next 5 games are crucial for Pulis. Don't win any and Pulis goes. (Then Megson steps up, takes over as caretaker for season, gets relegated, thus tarnishing his record which is why he should never have come back...)
If only I could be as optimistic as you. I expect Little Rocket Man to wipe us out within weeks. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 07:00:30 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on October 16, 2017, 08:03:43 AM
I'd go further and say the next 5 games are crucial for Pulis. Don't win any and Pulis goes. (Then Megson steps up, takes over as caretaker for season, gets relegated, thus tarnishing his record which is why he should never have come back...)


Another incredible post. Why on earth would we fail to win any of the next 5?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 16, 2017, 07:30:58 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 07:00:30 PM

Another incredible post. Why on earth would we fail to win any of the next 5?
The same reason we haven't won any of our last five Premiership matches PULIS.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 16, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on October 16, 2017, 07:30:58 PM
The same reason we haven't won any of our last five Premiership matches PULIS.

Forgot he was the one who switched off in the last minute against Watford, or missed the sitters against arsenal, or didn't get it clear against Stoke. Take those individual errors away and we'd be looking at least 7 points better off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on October 16, 2017, 07:59:14 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 16, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
Forgot he was the one who switched off in the last minute against Watford, or missed the sitters against arsenal, or didn't get it clear against Stoke. Take those individual errors away and we'd be looking at least 7 points better off.

No it was HIS appalling tactics of never controlling a game.... allowing the opposition to continually apply pressure which sadly cause a couple of individual errors..


Control the ball = Control the game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 16, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Aixelsyd on October 16, 2017, 07:59:14 PM
No it was HIS appalling tactics of never controlling a game.... allowing the opposition to continually apply pressure which sadly cause a couple of individual errors..


Control the ball = Control the game

So he tactically told Hegazi to not get rid of it, the defence to not mark Richarlison and Livermore to miss an open goal. Yeah I'd probably get rid too if that's the case
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 16, 2017, 08:14:43 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 16, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
So he tactically told Hegazi to not get rid of it, the defence to not mark Richarlison and Livermore to miss an open goal. Yeah I'd probably get rid too if that's the case

Dont let facts get in the way of peoples agendas though ;D ;D ;D

Ive been told by reliable sources that it wasn't the bankers who caused the financial markets crash, it was pulis with his terrible tactics at stoke that actually caused it and the new world order covered it up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 16, 2017, 09:58:16 PM
I can't wait for the day that he as gone! It can't come soon enough
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 16, 2017, 10:08:02 PM
Will Pulis get some white feathers in the post?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 16, 2017, 10:09:19 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 16, 2017, 10:08:02 PM
Will Pulis get some white feathers in the post?
I know what he should get in the post!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 16, 2017, 10:09:54 PM
Top half of the table now.

Just got to turn those draws into wins and we are on our way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on October 16, 2017, 10:13:02 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 16, 2017, 10:09:54 PM
Top half of the table now.

Just got to turn those draws into wins and we are on our way.
your disallusional if think thats going to happen. We will be relegated if he does not go soon
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 16, 2017, 10:14:00 PM
As one of TP's biggest critics I will cut him some slack and say tonight was a decent point.

However, why do we have a 10 minute spell in every game where we look very decent and then retreat and go backwards?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: mikehy on October 16, 2017, 10:13:02 PM
your disallusional if think thats going to happen. We will be relegated if he does not go soon


We won't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on October 16, 2017, 10:17:27 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 10:15:22 PM

We won't.
we will. Cannot score from open play not getting set  pieces needed to score and can't keep clean sheets
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 16, 2017, 10:24:15 PM
Looks like it as your mom told you...You are the only one who is in step with the band.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 16, 2017, 10:25:23 PM
Quote from: mikehy on October 16, 2017, 10:13:02 PM
your disallusional if think thats going to happen. We will be relegated if he does not go soon

Pulis has never been relegated and we are in the top half. Why the talk of relegation?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 16, 2017, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 16, 2017, 10:24:15 PM
Looks like it as your mom told you...You are the only one who is in step with the band.

Not got enough balls to follow your convictions through then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 16, 2017, 10:31:39 PM
we wont get relegated , we wont win anything, we wont get excited.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on October 16, 2017, 10:32:17 PM
Surely time for him to go. Got lucky with first two games and now being found out. Get rid, got a very good team on paper, take the shackles off!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 16, 2017, 10:33:46 PM
No idea what politics has to do with what I've said, definitely not scrabbling for a comeback   :-* :-* :-*

Back to the topic, thought the formation tonight was fantastic

Was dissapointed at the lack of substitutes and then when they came, that a forward player came off for a defender. I can see what he was doing as they were battering us and hegazi had a stinker of a game, but its still slightly annoying.

Not annoying enough to call for the head of a manager who's got us in the top ten mind..... ::)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 16, 2017, 10:34:28 PM
We won't go down. Never has been a concern of mine, just can't abide the football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: P Anderson on October 16, 2017, 10:40:51 PM
Looking  at  their equaliser again tells you all you need to know. The midfielders are on top of our defenders. I get the idea of getting bodies in the way, but we are causing ourselves so many problems, even when we hoof it up field we limit ourselves further with only one outlet, who then has to hold off two defenders and spread the ball backwards, to a defensive minded midfield. I really believe Pulis is already on borrowed time, and needed a result tonight. He didn’t get his smash and grab. He’s probably laughing at us all because I think tonight brought him more time at this club.
CANT WAIT TILL HE IS GONE.         PULIS OUT
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 16, 2017, 10:42:23 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 16, 2017, 10:31:39 PM
we wont get relegated , we wont win anything, we wont get excited.

Says it all doesn't it. Wallpaper football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 10:43:20 PM
I don't think his position is under consideration at all. Just wishful thinking by a minority of fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 16, 2017, 10:47:22 PM
Quote from: P Anderson on October 16, 2017, 10:40:51 PM
Looking  at  their equaliser again tells you all you need to know. The midfielders are on top of our defenders. I get the idea of getting bodies in the way, but we are causing ourselves so many problems, even when we hoof it up field we limit ourselves further with only one outlet, who then has to hold off two defenders and spread the ball backwards, to a defensive minded midfield. I really believe Pulis is already on borrowed time, and needed a result tonight. He didn’t get his smash and grab. He’s probably laughing at us all because I think tonight brought him more time at this club.
CANT WAIT TILL HE IS GONE.         PULIS OUT
agree with everything! The majority know what is needed Pulis out!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 16, 2017, 10:54:22 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 10:43:20 PM
I don't think his position is under consideration at all. Just wishful thinking by a minority of fans.

Not sure it's a minority it's about half and half.
Most who don't want him to go isn't because he's the man for the job it's because they are worried there isn't anybody else to the job
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: P Anderson on October 16, 2017, 10:55:17 PM
Anyone who can think that we are heading in the right direction with pulis in control, needs to start watching rugby, there probably as many back passes and about as many hoofs forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 16, 2017, 10:56:26 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 10:43:20 PM
I don't think his position is under consideration at all. Just wishful thinking by a minority of fans.

Minority?

I'D say it's more like half and half... with the odds against him as time goes one and people see sense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 16, 2017, 10:58:48 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on October 16, 2017, 10:54:22 PM
Not sure it's a minority it's about half and half.
Most who don't want him to go isn't because he's the man for the job it's because they are worried there isn't anybody else to the job
That is it.
There probably is someone out there, but our board wont put their hand in their pocket to afford him/her.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 16, 2017, 10:59:52 PM
Should have a referendum on him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 11:00:10 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 16, 2017, 10:56:26 PM
Minority?

I'D say it's more like half and half... with the odds against him as time goes one and people see sense.


Vocal minority nowhere near 50/50. You must have a short memory. Irvine was wanted out by the majority. Only 3 years ago.


Pulis name is sung at matches. We hardly ever get booed off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 16, 2017, 11:02:37 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on October 16, 2017, 10:42:23 PM
Says it all doesn't it. Wallpaper football.
sadly yes it does, doesn't matter if Pullis is here for 2,5 or 10 years this debate will still be babbling along and we will still be in the same boat rowing for safety
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 16, 2017, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 11:00:10 PM

Vocal minority nowhere near 50/50. You must have a short memory. Irvine was wanted out by the majority. Only 3 years ago.


Pulis name is sung at matches. We hardly ever get booed off.

what's Irvine got to do with people wanting pulis out?

pulis name is sung by a chunk of fans in the smethwick end, if you think that's the majority of our fan base then whatever floats your boat.

why would fans boo the players off when it's pulis they don't want here? common sense more than anything.

There amount of people that want pulis gone is growing raplidly, regardless if you like it or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 16, 2017, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 11:00:10 PM

Vocal minority nowhere near 50/50. You must have a short memory. Irvine was wanted out by the majority. Only 3 years ago.


Pulis name is sung at matches. We hardly ever get booed off.
its the silent one you have to watch out for. they don't half cause a stink. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 16, 2017, 11:08:03 PM
It's been a funny season, we've had an easy start yet haven't done great...yet we're still 10th and doing as many would have expected. We've played some awful football at times but have also thrown 3 leads into draws which could have got us more points had we hung on.
I don't know whether we're ok or awful, it's been very sporadic - but I don't think we're anywhere near as bad as some of the critics make out.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 11:09:08 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 16, 2017, 11:05:43 PM
what's Irvine got to do with people wanting pulis out?

pulis name is sung by a chunk of fans in the smethwick end, if you think that's the majority of our fan base then whatever floats your boat.

why would fans boo the players off when it's pulis they don't want here? common sense more than anything.

There amount of people that want pulis gone is growing raplidly, regardless if you like it or not.


If you went to the games back then. Followed social media. Came on here then the atmosphere under Irvine is a majority wanting the manager gone. This is nowhere near as bad not on the same planet even. Just a vocal minority constantly moaning that all the world's ills are Pulis' fault. Whether you like it or not...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 16, 2017, 11:11:52 PM
To be honest the one's moaning probably wore Mowbray masks and supported Pepe Mel...

We are in the top half of the Premier League, can we please just enjoy it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 16, 2017, 11:17:13 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 11:09:08 PM

If you went to the games back then. Followed social media. Came on here then the atmosphere under Irvine is a majority wanting the manager gone. This is nowhere near as bad not on the same planet even. Just a vocal minority constantly moaning that all the world's ills are Pulis' fault. Whether you like it or not...

It's all about opinion really, I never said the majority want pulis gone... I said its about 50/50 with it growing against him... not once have I said it was as bad as Irvine so no idea where you plucked that from.

like I said, like it or not... as time goes on more and more people are getting impatient with pulis and want him gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 11:21:07 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 16, 2017, 11:17:13 PM
It's all about opinion really, I never said the majority want pulis gone... I said its about 50/50 with it growing against him... not once have I said it was as bad as Irvine so no idea where you plucked that from.

like I said, like it or not... as time goes on more and more people are getting impatient with pulis and want him gone.


That's where we disagree. It's the same people. Not an increasing number. The original post I quoted said majority I believe? Not to worry.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 16, 2017, 11:26:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 11:21:07 PM

That's where we disagree. It's the same people. Not an increasing number. The original post I quoted said majority I believe? Not to worry.

nope, I never said majority... the posts are still there to see.

There are people on this forum alone that would shoot you down for saying a bad word about pulis... that are now calling for his head, so it definately isn't the same people.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 11:28:34 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 16, 2017, 11:26:03 PM
nope, I never said majority... the posts are still there to see.

There are people on this forum alone that would shoot you down for saying a bad word about pulis... that are now calling for his head, so it definately isn't the same people.


You queried minority which implies majority. Semantics though. We'll leave it there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 16, 2017, 11:35:17 PM
Just need to be better in possession like TP said in his post match interview. A few poor decisions in the final third, need a bit more quality.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 16, 2017, 11:38:30 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 16, 2017, 11:11:52 PM
To be honest the one's moaning probably wore Mowbray masks and supported Pepe Mel...

We are in the top half of the Premier League, can we please just enjoy it.
I did neither of the things you mentioned and I want Pulis gone in fact I am going to do anything I can to get him  out! And as for the people who did do what you mentioned what is wrong with that,? People are allowed to support whoever they want however they want or not to
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 16, 2017, 11:41:17 PM
Quote from: albion59 on October 16, 2017, 11:38:30 PM
I did neither of the things you mentioned and I want Pulis gone in fact I am going to do anything I can to get him  out! And as for the people who did do what you mentioned what is wrong with that,? People are allowed to support whoever they want however they want or not to

Of course they are. My point is that two managers who were useless at this level were popular so when I see the criticism for a man who has worked miracles here I have to take issue with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 16, 2017, 11:46:37 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 16, 2017, 11:11:52 PM
To be honest the one's moaning probably wore Mowbray masks and supported Pepe Mel...

We are in the top half of the Premier League, can we please just enjoy it.
never wore a mask :o but did support pepe mel and right or wrong I had hoped he could be a success for us.
its a bit hypocritical knocking supporters for supporting pepe mel and then moaning about supporters not supporting pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 16, 2017, 11:48:58 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 16, 2017, 11:41:17 PM
Of course they are. My point is that two managers who were useless at this level were popular so when I see the criticism for a man who has worked miracles here I have to take issue with it.
I agree they were useless, but Pulis is also useless! He did what he had to do to keep us up then he should have been gone as I keep saying we now have the players to become a very good side just need the glue to join it altogether, that in my opinion is not Pulis!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on October 17, 2017, 12:06:48 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 16, 2017, 11:41:17 PM
Of course they are. My point is that two managers who were useless at this level were popular so when I see the criticism for a man who has worked miracles here I have to take issue with it.
the only gluey thing pulis brings to this side is the swamp/quicksand that's pulling us down
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 17, 2017, 02:13:26 AM
From the BBC...
 Pulis will be concerned at the annoying habit his side have developed of turning victories into draws.

They dropped two points at home to Stoke on 27 August when Peter Crouch was allowed to equalise in the 77th minute, and Richarlison secured a point for Watford with a 90th-minute goal at The Hawthorns on 30 September.

Had they held out against Stoke, Watford and Leicester, West Brom would be fourth in the table on 16 points.

Instead, they are 10th on 10 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on October 17, 2017, 04:14:43 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 16, 2017, 11:35:17 PM
Just need to be better in possession like TP said in his post match interview. A few poor decisions in the final third, need a bit more quality.

Better with what possession?????   .... his enforced tactics is not to have any!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 17, 2017, 04:34:04 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 16, 2017, 11:11:52 PM
To be honest the one's moaning probably wore Mowbray masks and supported Pepe Mel...

We are in the top half of the Premier League, can we please just enjoy it.
The problem with this, is that being aware that we’re in the top half of this League all week long, isn’t really that enjoyable. It’s the 90 minutes of gameplay that we’re supposed to enjoy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 17, 2017, 05:44:34 AM
"I should have stayed at home and carried on watching my paint dry in the living room.  Turgid, awful no bloody clue football with an even clueless manager.
 
Get him out of our club now.  One win in 14 premier league games is relegation form.  He has to go."

No not our Tone but taken from Leicester site Fox's Talk after last nights game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on October 17, 2017, 05:55:39 AM
We are 3 points behind Liverpool Arsenal and Chelsea ffs....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 17, 2017, 05:58:31 AM
I'll blame Tony for not stressing to the board to get a better backup keeper than Boaz but given the limitation in the game I think TP did alright.

Then again if the roles were reverse I will be fuming at TP for not getting his players to pepper the goal on an immobile GK.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on October 17, 2017, 07:21:03 AM
Quote from: DivinePast on October 17, 2017, 05:58:31 AM
I'll blame Tony for not stressing to the board to get a better backup keeper than Boaz but given the limitation in the game I think TP did alright.

Then again if the roles were reverse I will be fuming at TP for not getting his players to pepper the goal on an immobile GK.

Begs the question, why put a goal keeper on the bench that you have no intention of using?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 17, 2017, 07:58:17 AM
Quote from: Foster#1 on October 17, 2017, 05:55:39 AM
We are 3 points behind Liverpool Arsenal and Chelsea ffs....

And 3 behind Burnley, 5 behind Watford who have had tougher starts than we have!!

Only 1 point clear of Huddersfield as well if we're assessing it by this logic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 17, 2017, 08:04:27 AM
Lets just hope his tenure is coming to an end, awful viewing and it aint going to change. we aint even anygood at corners anymore. what i have noticed the football has also declined since Megson came in. these footballers are better than this. one away win this year. worst record than any other club in the league
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 17, 2017, 08:28:14 AM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 17, 2017, 02:13:26 AM
From the BBC...
 Pulis will be concerned at the annoying habit his side have developed of turning victories into draws.

They dropped two points at home to Stoke on 27 August when Peter Crouch was allowed to equalise in the 77th minute, and Richarlison secured a point for Watford with a 90th-minute goal at The Hawthorns on 30 September.

Had they held out against Stoke, Watford and Leicester, West Brom would be fourth in the table on 16 points.

Instead, they are 10th on 10 points.

I know I've commented elsewhere on this but I feel really strongly about this point. THIS is where Tony's tactics fall down horribly and this is why a now-decent squad isn't near the top of the table. Yes, Tone, they DO work 'aard. They now need a manager who can bring out out the more inspired performance they are surely capable of. Ambition please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 17, 2017, 09:05:21 AM
At the start of the season and especially at the end of the transfer window i was really looking forward to the season ahead, sadly week by week i can feel that optimism slipping away.

Its not that i think we will go down, i dont think we will, or that i want Pulis sacked as i dont, but frustration is building at what we could be doing with what is easily the best squad of players we have had in my 30 years of going.

I really thought and hoped that after a couple of years of steadying the ship, and playing a style that suited players such as Gardner, Olsson, etc that this season we would bring in better players (which we have) but our approach to games would evolve, at the time of writing i dont think it has.

The players themselves have to take some of the blame but i really think our approach to games is the issue.

Rodriguez - Pulis said when he signed he like him coming in off the wing,i agree and thats great, however in the past Rodriguez has played that role in the opposition half, now he is usually in his own half and only time he is forward he is chasing 50/50's, one of Rodriguez strenghs is he is a flair player, he is losing that pretty quick and turning into another hard worker.

Greg - I was excited as anyone when we signed him, couldnt quite believe it, think he is a class act, however i dont think he will showcase that for us, i think aside from second half of the Man City cup match where he was best bloke on the pitch (where we actually took the game to them) and the pass and a decent first half vs Watford he has been relatively poor, its because our approach is so deep and just to chase and break up play, he will just fit into the mould of our other players instead of been the stand out player he could be.

Barry - I bet he has done more chasing the ball this season than he has done the past 20 odd, i think he already looks shattered, no doubting he is a good footballer, problem is we very rarely have the ball long enough to see his skills.

Hegazi - I think he is backup at best, he made the mistake vs Stoke but that can happen to anyone, however since then, he lost a header to Andy Carroll vs West Ham and didnt go near him again, if West Ham had anything about them they would of exploited that, same with Deeney vs Watford, he lost the header for the first goal and for a big bloke seems to get bullied easy, even Vardy beat him a number of times on the air last night as well as on the floor, very passionate and whole hearted but think he is Olssons bench replacement at best.

Players such as Rondon and Chadli look shot in terms of how effective they are and confidence wise from when the first joined.

On the flipside - Evans, Gibbs, Nyom and Mclean have been good signings and i would say the jury is out still on Livermore and Phillips.

I think the issue is these are all talented footballers, yet they spend most of the time chasing the ball, only to give is back to the opposition, i enjoyed the Bournemouth game because when we did have the ball we did something with it, any player who works their balls off, gets the ball back and then sees the team doing something with it has a massive confidence boost.

The above is just my personal initial assessment, i think the best time to judge will be coming upto Xmas as that will be plenty of time for the new players to of settled in and hopefully see us improve, however before then we have a number of hard games for it to happen in.

On paper the team we have now is so far ahead of where we were a year or two ago but actually watching us i think you could put Gardner, Olsson, Sess in some current players shirts and we wouldnt notice the difference as the approach and standard stays the same no matter who the personnel.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 17, 2017, 09:16:59 AM
I get we are trying to bed several new players in and a slight change in style from last year but this season is starting to pan out a bit how I feared it would.
Pulis now has several players of the quality he wanted yet we still struggle to put three passes together at times and look lost in the final third .
I can't knock the job he's done off the pitch , the squad is on another level to the one he took over with and I also like how he deals with the press etc .
He must be the first Albion manager I like as a person yet struggle to stomach large parts of his football  apart from Nov to Feb last year when the played some decent stuff in all fairness at times.
Strange days indeed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 17, 2017, 09:22:54 AM
I thought we were ok overall last night. For a period in the second half (maybe 10/ 15mins), when we played on the front foot, we looked a dangerous team and I enjoyed it. I thought a point away was a good result too.

My gripe with Pulis remains mainly at home to be honest where for me it's not appropriate to sit deep and bore the other team onto you so you can break or score a set piece to win or at least this shouldn't be our main strategy. There has to be at more desire to push onto teams at home or we'll have a below par season (par with this team is surely 10th?). Gibbs looks a really good signing, a threat going forward and decent at the back. I'd love to see Dawson in the middle with Nyom at right back to see if this offers more balance. I don't think Hegazi is more than a 10or 15 game deputy as he seems prone to a mistake. Maybe with Phillips on the right and Chadli in the middle instead of Livermore, we may have more about us going forward?

We have assembled a strong squad however I'm really not sure Pulis / Megson can get the best out of some of the better attacking players we have and as Coseley and others have said, we're just making them all run around so when they have the ball , they're likely too knackered to break quickly anyway meaning we lose any counter attacking threat we may have had.

I've said before, we could keep Pulis for another 10 or 15 years and see roughly the same and finish around the same places in the league. If it were my decision, I'd start making plans to replace him at the end of this season at the latest with a manager who can start to get the best out of our strongest and most balanced squad we've had for a long time. Even the Wolves are trying to play football these days!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 17, 2017, 11:09:07 AM
always getting his excuses in prior to a game, did you hear him going on about their bench. no doubt prior to our next game the more top players one
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 17, 2017, 11:13:02 AM
Just seen a tweet about him; 317 games 317 goals. The lowest goals to game ratio of any manager in the history of the league (minimum of 150 PL games)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 17, 2017, 03:07:50 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on October 17, 2017, 07:21:03 AM
Begs the question, why put a goal keeper on the bench that you have no intention of using?

I guess if there was a major injury like a concussion or if Boaz broke something then Palmer would play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on October 17, 2017, 04:49:42 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on October 17, 2017, 03:07:50 PM
I guess if there was a major injury like a concussion or if Boaz broke something then Palmer would play.

this, you ALWAYS need to have a keeper on the bench in case of emergency.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on October 17, 2017, 05:32:09 PM
Any chance he could go to Leicester ? He wouldn't need to alter much there after all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 17, 2017, 07:46:07 PM
The old dinosaur has to change as he's got no excuses anymore, squad of players well capable of top half finish and with Everton in the pooh 7th should be an achievable target.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 18, 2017, 03:57:09 AM
Probably nothing more than a bit of gossip locally but thought I would provide this to you.

My Thai colleague in the office yesterday told me of rumours in the Thai language press that Everton might be looking at Pulis to replace Koeman. It does seem far-fetched but there are connections between Thailand and Everton with Chang Beer until recently being the shirt sponsor and as I understand still maintain links with the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 18, 2017, 06:49:57 AM
I'd love Pulis to go Leicester or Everton just to see what he would achieve with all that strength on their benches and the money that's been spent. Equally I would love to see the reaction of their fans. Sadly not going to happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on October 18, 2017, 05:32:53 PM
I didn't think it was great Monday but always expected a tough game. I think my major problem was that once we let a goal in our substitutions were only to preserve the draw. We took of Chadli and Jay and brought on McClean and GMac. I think that is what is so disappointing - not the result but the fact that as soon as we conceded I might as well turned off - it was only going to be a draw or loss from that point on. This is the same in every game - I never have the feeling that if we concede a lead that we might be able to score another and still win. It is literally game over from the perspective of trying to win the game from that point on.
Serious question to all the Pulis supporters - with the changes he made - what was your desired outcome? As in, were you happy to see those changes to try and hold onto a point (at best) which we managed to do (this time) or would you have preferred us to at least have some semblance of attacking threat and try to restore our lead?
I just don't get it - if you are drawing and sit back/make defensive changes like we do the only outcome is what you currently have (a draw) or you concede and we lose - how much difference would it really make if you carried on trying to win the game? Yes you might concede but you might concede trying to sit back (which we seem to be doing a lot of lately) but at least you might just go and nick it the other end.
Honestly I just don't see the great advantage of going so ultra defensive? Hopefully someone can enlighten me?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 18, 2017, 06:09:48 PM
Our changes on Monday were obviously with a more defence orientated bent on them. But I did feel that in fairness McClean gave us a bit of pace to get in behind and don't think his introduction lessened our attacking outlet; with Leicester pushing up more we had an outlet to get in behind.
He almost got in for one opportunity but the ball wasn't played into the path of his run; allowing Chilwell to get back at him. Not that I would have put my money on him to score in any case. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 18, 2017, 06:12:38 PM
I thought Pulis got his subs spot on. However you can make intelligent decisions and substitutions but you can still lose out due to bad luck and that's football for you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 18, 2017, 06:38:28 PM
I think G-Mac coming on was a reaction to Slimani coming on. McClean isn't really a defensive substitution though I'd have preferred Phillips.
I didn't think we sat back too much on Monday, we were trying to get up the pitch and some slightly better movement / passes could have put us in. Barry lost the ball quite high up the pitch but at least he's trying to push us forward when it happens - did the same against Watford (not knocking him as overall he's doing well).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 19, 2017, 11:56:00 AM
I had an operation yesterday and just as the anaesthetist was going to put me to sleep he said have a nice dream, I replied like West Brom playing attacking football under Pulis, he said even an anaesthetic couldn't do that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 19, 2017, 01:33:29 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on October 19, 2017, 11:56:00 AM
I had an operation yesterday and just as the anaesthetist was going to put me to sleep he said have a nice dream, I replied like West Brom playing attacking football under Pulis, he said even an anaesthetic couldn't do that.
How did we get on then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 19, 2017, 01:45:20 PM
"Attack wins games defence wins titles" Sir Alex Ferguson
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 19, 2017, 02:08:10 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 19, 2017, 01:45:20 PM
"Attack wins games defence wins titles" Sir Alex Ferguson

Great. As soon as we win or come close to winning a title/cup I will Pulis his fair dues and credit
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 19, 2017, 02:26:35 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 19, 2017, 01:45:20 PM
"Attack wins games defence wins titles" Sir Alex Ferguson


but he dont even have a decent defence anymore
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 19, 2017, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 19, 2017, 02:26:35 PM

but he dont even have a decent defence anymore

Agreed! I say this most weeks; its a myth that we are brilliant at the back.

No team allows the other team 20-odd chances per game by being brilliant at the back. We are simply very good at trying to block these attempts.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 19, 2017, 05:57:29 PM
Ive had another think about it today

And i really get the frustration over him, SOME not ALL of the football we play is turgid.

But firing a manager who has assembled the best albion team and led us to what i consider the best position we've been in my lifetime seems a case of putting pride before whats best for the club.

Pulis is whats best for the club right now.

I wish we played better stuff. I really do. it drives me insane sometimes.

But i wouldn't be willing to possibly destabilise the club and end up in a worse position than we are now just for a bit of entertainment.


Sure, we could get a better manager and he could lead us to loftier heights and id love that. Especially considering how much we are at a disadvantage compared to some of our fellow clubs due to FFP. Id bask in it. Sure I'm enjoying it now, but imagine challenging for europe? We really dont have the squad for it but if somebody came in working miracles it could happen? it nearly happened last year for large parts. But miracle workers are few and far between.


But what if we dont? What if the club becomes perennial strugglers again. Not safe till the last game of the season? going down? We'd be furious with the board and would probably long for steady eddie maybe top tenny tony p


Just makes no logical sense to get rid right now


But you are totally entitled to your opinions. And i respect that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 19, 2017, 05:58:41 PM
Also to alleviate the insuation by posters on here that I'm a pulis fanboy


I HATE his eyebrows. Dont want them in my club. They really wind me up  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 19, 2017, 06:19:14 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 19, 2017, 05:57:29 PM
Ive had another think about it today

And i really get the frustration over him, SOME not ALL of the football we play is turgid.

But firing a manager who has assembled the best albion team and led us to what i consider the best position we've been in my lifetime seems a case of putting pride before whats best for the club.

Pulis is whats best for the club right now.

I wish we played better stuff. I really do. it drives me insane sometimes.

But i wouldn't be willing to possibly destabilise the club and end up in a worse position than we are now just for a bit of entertainment.


Sure, we could get a better manager and he could lead us to loftier heights and id love that. Especially considering how much we are at a disadvantage compared to some of our fellow clubs due to FFP. Id bask in it. Sure I'm enjoying it now, but imagine challenging for europe? We really dont have the squad for it but if somebody came in working miracles it could happen? it nearly happened last year for large parts. But miracle workers are few and far between.


But what if we dont? What if the club becomes perennial strugglers again. Not safe till the last game of the season? going down? We'd be furious with the board and would probably long for steady eddie maybe top tenny tony p


Just makes no logical sense to get rid right now


But you are totally entitled to your opinions. And i respect that.

Very good post.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 19, 2017, 06:43:33 PM
Woyswonderful, whilst I disagree with you I do enjoy your posts.

I see it the other way though; I would take our years between 2000-2010 over this decade any day.

Floating in and out the Prem, staying up on final days in both the top 2 leagues, play off wins and defeats etc are far more memorable than 11th, 14th and 16th placed finishes.

In 20 years time nobody will actually be able to pinpoint the season's under Pulis. For example, if I said to you what season was the 5-5 with United you'll all remember it. Or the win at Doncaster on the final day? Etc etc.

Those are the days that make football fun and enjoyable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on October 19, 2017, 06:58:04 PM
Its a very good post and raises some really good points- fair play to you.
My only gripe is that we probably ought to look to win more than we do and not just shore up in defence.
I didn't go on Monday due to work but my brother kept me updated. One of his more poignant  comments at half time was "If this were 2 League 2 teams - people would be streaming out, it's that dire"
Yes you can also blame Leicester for that and they play a pretty similar style to us but more often look to try and win.
I do agree with most of the points especially about stability though and in all honesty we are never going to attract the miracle worker that would turn us into world beaters.
A win at St Mary's will be very welcome I'm sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 19, 2017, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 19, 2017, 01:45:20 PM
"Attack wins games defence wins titles" Sir Alex Ferguson
But you can't win titles without winning games so it's an illogical expression. Really what he's saying is you need to be good at both.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 19, 2017, 07:20:50 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on October 19, 2017, 07:12:11 PM
But you can't win titles without winning games so it's an illogical expression. Really what he's saying is you need to be good at both.
Of course! But you need to build from the back. He has improved the defense he has brought in CB's and a left back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 19, 2017, 07:48:57 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on October 19, 2017, 07:20:50 PM
Of course! But you need to build from the back. He has improved the defense he has brought in CB's and a left back.
How come our defence is letting in goals?
They can't be that good.
From winning and then they capitulate and we can only get a draw.
Perhaps it is the way he is setting them up?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 19, 2017, 07:49:50 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on October 19, 2017, 07:20:50 PM
Of course! But you need to build from the back. He has improved the defense he has brought in CB's and a left back.

I think there is this myth about Tony Pulis being a defensive mastermind.

Stick ten players behind the ball, tell them to stick to a rigid formation and never attack. Thats the breadth of it.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 19, 2017, 07:53:11 PM
It's usually the teams who concede most goals who get relegated.

Thought of the day. If we never appointed Tony Pulis back in January 2015 where would we be currently?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 19, 2017, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 19, 2017, 07:53:11 PM
It's usually the teams who concede most goals who get relegated.

Thought of the day. If we never appointed Tony Pulis back in January 2015 where would we be currently?

With Alan Irvine as manager?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 19, 2017, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 19, 2017, 07:53:11 PM
It's usually the teams who concede most goals who get relegated.

Thought of the day. If we never appointed Tony Pulis back in January 2015 where would we be currently?

I think there's a strong possibility that we'd have gone down. And we'd probably still be struggling in the Championship now.

As much as it was exciting to be yoyoing up and down, the Championship has strengthened greatly over the past 5 years. No way would I want to be down there now struggling to get out. We'd also not have been bought by Lai I'd imagine, and still have Peace who would likely not be wanting to spend his money in the Championship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 19, 2017, 11:28:33 PM
If we hadn’t appointed Alan Irvine in the first place and had appointed an actual manager where would we be...?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 20, 2017, 08:19:21 AM
Our future selves may well be debating where we would be had we kept Pulis or let him go earlier. At any point in the past decade or beyond the club could have made different decisions and there might have been different outcomes all of which are unknown.

 The point being that alternative what might have been histories are pure conjecture and even the accepted wisdom that not firing Irvine would have lead to relegation is debatable but not all that relevant because it did not happen.

The credit that Pulis had for not being Alan Irvine has well and truly expired. He delivers okay results with tedious football, personally I'd be happier with okay results with a bit of entertainment thrown in for good measure. Yes I know we were on fire for a few months last season but that's a rapidly fading memory and might represent peak Pulis, he has never had such a a spell in his career before which suggests that was the exception rather than the rule.

Sure if we scramble a win against Southampton things look better from a points perspective but fundamentally nothing has changed since the moment he walked through the door. Those who said when he get's better players the football will improve are you still waiting or have you given up on him?

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 20, 2017, 08:58:15 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 19, 2017, 06:43:33 PM
Woyswonderful, whilst I disagree with you I do enjoy your posts.

I see it the other way though; I would take our years between 2000-2010 over this decade any day.

Floating in and out the Prem, staying up on final days in both the top 2 leagues, play off wins and defeats etc are far more memorable than 11th, 14th and 16th placed finishes.

In 20 years time nobody will actually be able to pinpoint the season's under Pulis. For example, if I said to you what season was the 5-5 with United you'll all remember it. Or the win at Doncaster on the final day? Etc etc.

Those are the days that make football fun and enjoyable.

That's true Ashdoy, we had a lot of fun with the ups and downs over the 2000-2010 period.  It's very tough for a club like us to progress much more so I think Pulis has the right idea since he's been with us - slowly but surely improve the first team. With the players he's brought in we have a much bett team/ squad, but have pretty much maxed out on wages. There's a couple of years before our better players are on the other side of the hill and the promising kids we have should step up.  I think we're seeing so far this season though that the way we play and the amount of points we're getting has not really improved which is where frustration is coming from. If you look at Pulis' history this is him, regardless of wages, fees, quality of his teams, he pretty much plays the same way and achieves broadly the same result (mid table).

Aside from the obvious dearth of entertainment, which is criminal at home where I'd expect us to go after most teams, my main gripe with Pulis for the longer term (longer than this season!) is that I cannot see him
1) winning a cup (the next level for us in my opinion) - usually teams need inspiration and verve to win cups not pragmatism
2) nurturing our better youngsters - maybe 4 or 5?
3) reducing the wage bill to make room for the next wave of players we'll need in a couple of years time when a few of ours are past it.

I think we can objectively judge Pulis on this stuff aside from the more subjective style question. Although amongst my mates, there's a growing realisation that whilst Pulis has done a commendable job, we're all bored stiff most games watching lines of players standing to attention to the drill sergeant's (two with Megson)  instructions!



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 20, 2017, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 19, 2017, 07:53:11 PM
It's usually the teams who concede most goals who get relegated.

Thought of the day. If we never appointed Tony Pulis back in January 2015 where would we be currently?

Honestly, I wouldn't care. I would follow us wherever as long as I felt we were trying to score goals and win games, not just ply damage limitation from the first minute, and hit people off set pieces.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on October 20, 2017, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on October 20, 2017, 12:46:47 PM
Honestly, I wouldn't care. I would follow us wherever as long as I felt we were trying to score goals and win games, not just ply damage limitation from the first minute, and hit people off set pieces.

^ THIS ^
To be honest the question I keep coming back to is "What is the point?"

If we accept that we have limitations as to as far as we can go league wise then surely the whole point of supporting a team is the enjoyment from watching the game. If you accept we can't/probably won't win anything then to me the only possible reason to continue following football is if you enjoy watching what is on offer.
Put another way, what is the point of being in the premier league? To me it is to see my club fielding the best possible players as opposed to watching some donkey;s scrap around in the championship - therefore by that reasoning i see no point in being in the premier league if these so called better players are being asked/told to scrap around like championship donkeys. I couldn't care less about Man City/Chelsea etc - I want us to be in the premier league as this is the best way to see good players play for my club. Sadly, under Pulis, I am not witnessing this.
If you are a Pulis supporter can I ask you the same question - What is the point?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 20, 2017, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: crocodile007 on October 20, 2017, 01:34:15 PM
^ THIS ^
To be honest the question I keep coming back to is "What is the point?"

If we accept that we have limitations as to as far as we can go league wise then surely the whole point of supporting a team is the enjoyment from watching the game. If you accept we can't/probably won't win anything then to me the only possible reason to continue following football is if you enjoy watching what is on offer.
Put another way, what is the point of being in the premier league? To me it is to see my club fielding the best possible players as opposed to watching some donkey;s scrap around in the championship - therefore by that reasoning i see no point in being in the premier league if these so called better players are being asked/told to scrap around like championship donkeys. I couldn't care less about Man City/Chelsea etc - I want us to be in the premier league as this is the best way to see good players play for my club. Sadly, under Pulis, I am not witnessing this.
If you are a Pulis supporter can I ask you the same question - What is the point?

Welcome to the board, cracking post!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on October 20, 2017, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: crocodile007 on October 20, 2017, 01:34:15 PM
^ THIS ^
To be honest the question I keep coming back to is "What is the point?"

If we accept that we have limitations as to as far as we can go league wise then surely the whole point of supporting a team is the enjoyment from watching the game. If you accept we can't/probably won't win anything then to me the only possible reason to continue following football is if you enjoy watching what is on offer.
Put another way, what is the point of being in the premier league? To me it is to see my club fielding the best possible players as opposed to watching some donkey;s scrap around in the championship - therefore by that reasoning i see no point in being in the premier league if these so called better players are being asked/told to scrap around like championship donkeys. I couldn't care less about Man City/Chelsea etc - I want us to be in the premier league as this is the best way to see good players play for my club. Sadly, under Pulis, I am not witnessing this.
If you are a Pulis supporter can I ask you the same question - What is the point?

This is what i say to my non-WBA supporting mates who always say the same thing when I'm moaning about the quality of football.

They always say, but you are mid-table, what more do you expect?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 20, 2017, 09:43:48 PM
The other Albion scored 3 away, play decent football. More points than us.

Proof you don't need 11 behind the ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 20, 2017, 10:17:29 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 20, 2017, 09:43:48 PM
The other Albion scored 3 away, play decent football. More points than us.

Proof you don't need 11 behind the ball.

Also played a game more than us..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 20, 2017, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 20, 2017, 10:17:29 PM
Also played a game more than us..

Had a much tougher run than we have also. Hats off to them, wish we had the bravery to play that way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 20, 2017, 10:37:34 PM
Hope those who want Pulis out watched West Ham tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 20, 2017, 10:37:58 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 20, 2017, 10:21:16 PM
Had a much tougher run than we have also. Hats off to them, wish we had the bravery to play that way.

But if we win tomorrow we'll have more points than them after playing the same amount of games without playing brave decent football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 20, 2017, 10:38:23 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 20, 2017, 09:43:48 PM
The other Albion scored 3 away, play decent football. More points than us.

Proof you don't need 11 behind the ball.

Chris Hughton basically sets his teams up the same way Pulis does. He is a very cautious, defensive manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 20, 2017, 11:06:27 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 20, 2017, 10:38:23 PM
Chris Hughton basically sets his teams up the same way Pulis does. He is a very cautious, defensive manager.
Agreed, brave football is far from a regular thing for Hughton...lets see how Brighton go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 20, 2017, 11:55:16 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 20, 2017, 10:38:23 PM
Chris Hughton basically sets his teams up the same way Pulis does. He is a very cautious, defensive manager.
When was the last time we won 3-0 away? Pulis out!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on October 21, 2017, 01:08:35 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 20, 2017, 10:37:34 PM
Hope those who want Pulis out watched West Ham tonight.
You mean the same west ham we bored to a nil nil draw that judging by the time wasting pulis was happy with? Just sayin.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jefferson on October 21, 2017, 08:30:54 AM
Quote from: crocodile007 on October 20, 2017, 01:34:15 PM
^ THIS ^
To be honest the question I keep coming back to is "What is the point?"

If we accept that we have limitations as to as far as we can go league wise then surely the whole point of supporting a team is the enjoyment from watching the game. If you accept we can't/probably won't win anything then to me the only possible reason to continue following football is if you enjoy watching what is on offer.
Put another way, what is the point of being in the premier league? To me it is to see my club fielding the best possible players as opposed to watching some donkey;s scrap around in the championship - therefore by that reasoning i see no point in being in the premier league if these so called better players are being asked/told to scrap around like championship donkeys. I couldn't care less about Man City/Chelsea etc - I want us to be in the premier league as this is the best way to see good players play for my club. Sadly, under Pulis, I am not witnessing this.
If you are a Pulis supporter can I ask you the same question - What is the point?

The club earn 100 million a year just from TV. That should pay for good football players who can entertain. In Spain you can't compete with Barca and Real but other teams still do well for themselves and entertain and without a £100m TV cheque.

We last won a major trophy 50 years ago. It's possible (Wigan, Leicester and Birmingham have won one of the major three trophies in England recently) but it's not easy and you have to take the chances like in 2008 when if we'd beat Portsmouth we'd have had Cardiff in an FA Cup final. You might get into Europe the odd time (we ended up miles behind an average Everton team and missed out because Pulis declared at 40 points.

Pulis is a joyless manager who sucks the enjoyment out of football.  He's good for a newly promoted team who want to establish themselves in the top flight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 21, 2017, 10:56:33 AM
Quote from: jefferson on October 21, 2017, 08:30:54 AM
The club earn 100 million a year just from TV. That should pay for good football players who can entertain. In Spain you can't compete with Barca and Real but other teams still do well for themselves and entertain and without a £100m TV cheque.

We last won a major trophy 50 years ago. It's possible (Wigan, Leicester and Birmingham have won one of the major three trophies in England recently) but it's not easy and you have to take the chances like in 2008 when if we'd beat Portsmouth we'd have had Cardiff in an FA Cup final. You might get into Europe the odd time (we ended up miles behind an average Everton team and missed out because Pulis declared at 40 points.

Pulis is a joyless manager who sucks the enjoyment out of football.  He's good for a newly promoted team who want to establish themselves in the top flight.

Precisely this. The club spoke of ambition at the start of the season. Where's the ambition in a Pulis led side? We are thoroughly disappointing to watch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on October 21, 2017, 11:42:59 AM
Quote from: jefferson on October 21, 2017, 08:30:54 AM
The club earn 100 million a year just from TV. That should pay for good football players who can entertain. In Spain you can't compete with Barca and Real but other teams still do well for themselves and entertain and without a £100m TV cheque.

We last won a major trophy 50 years ago. It's possible (Wigan, Leicester and Birmingham have won one of the major three trophies in England recently) but it's not easy and you have to take the chances like in 2008 when if we'd beat Portsmouth we'd have had Cardiff in an FA Cup final. You might get into Europe the odd time (we ended up miles behind an average Everton team and missed out because Pulis declared at 40 points.

Pulis is a joyless manager who sucks the enjoyment out of football.  He's good for a newly promoted team who want to establish themselves in the top flight.


That's bang on that is. Excellent post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 21, 2017, 01:27:29 PM
But we were never going to keep up with Everton with a threadbare, tired squad with Phillips and a couple of others injured (Everton who had regular 15 - 25 goals a season striker still with them).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 21, 2017, 02:19:52 PM
Quote from: Adder on October 21, 2017, 01:27:29 PM
But we were never going to keep up with Everton with a threadbare, tired squad with Phillips and a couple of others injured (Everton who had regular 15 - 25 goals a season striker still with them).

Well we certainly arent going to when the directive is to down tools when you reach 40 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 21, 2017, 02:19:52 PM
Well we certainly arent going to when the directive is to down tools when you reach 40 points.


The fact anyone believes this is what happened defies belief.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 21, 2017, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 02:39:37 PM

The fact anyone believes this is what happened defies belief.

We can only observe what we see. A clear drop off of intensity once we reach 40 points.

Its not a controversial statement, Tony Pulis is known for it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 21, 2017, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 02:39:37 PM

The fact anyone believes this is what happened defies belief.

Obviously pulis don't tell the players to drop off at that 40 point target, but anyone with atleast one eye can see thats what happens over and over again.

TP's one and only aim every season is to get to 40 points.... is that really good enough for your beloved team you've followed for however many years?

No one is saying we need to go out and win the league... but even if he attempted to win games it would be a big improvement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on October 21, 2017, 05:01:21 PM
As requested pulis out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 21, 2017, 05:01:55 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 20, 2017, 10:37:58 PM
But if we win tomorrow we'll have more points than them after playing the same amount of games without playing brave decent football

Don't win tonight we're behind all the 3 promoted teams playing much worse football.

When will people wake up and smell the coffee.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 21, 2017, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 21, 2017, 05:01:55 PM
Don't win tonight we're behind all the 3 promoted teams playing much worse football.

When will people wake up and smell the coffee.

The season doesn't end in October.

We've had a decent start to the season, we need a good win though and hopefully it comes today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 21, 2017, 05:27:14 PM
Just burnt the dinner, pulis out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 21, 2017, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 21, 2017, 05:27:14 PM
Just burnt the dinner, pulis out.

don't be silly! would rather us keep pulis so I can be bored to death of watching us for the rest of the season atleast  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jefferson on October 21, 2017, 06:44:26 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 02:39:37 PM

The fact anyone believes this is what happened defies belief.

After 26 games we were 3 points behind Everton and on 40 points.

After 38 games we were 15 points behind them with 45 points and even below Southampton and Bournemouth in the end due to the lack of interest once 40 points had been achieved.

Everton were nothing special either by any measure. The league was very weak below the top 6.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on October 21, 2017, 06:48:50 PM
He is killing our clubs reputation and dividing the fan base like never before. Please the time as come to put us out of our misery
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on October 21, 2017, 07:00:06 PM
Has to go this fooball is getting worse .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 21, 2017, 07:15:50 PM
Pulis Out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 21, 2017, 07:17:50 PM
Man City, Chelsea and Spurs coming now.


He has completely wasted our easy run of fixtures to start the season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on October 21, 2017, 07:19:23 PM
Get out of my club you absolute fraud.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SC_Baggie on October 21, 2017, 07:19:35 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 21, 2017, 07:17:50 PM
Man City, Chelsea and Spurs coming now.


He has completely wasted our easy run of fixtures to start the season

Just getting 1 point out of that would be a success. Very bad result today
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on October 21, 2017, 07:22:30 PM
Got to go
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 07:23:20 PM
The likely thrashing next week will turn the rest of the fan base and will see him gone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 21, 2017, 07:23:33 PM
Times up. No defending that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 21, 2017, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 07:23:20 PM
The likely thrashing next week will turn the rest of the fan base and will see him gone

No chance, if people can still support him after the football we have played this season, they will never turn on him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 21, 2017, 07:24:54 PM
Gorra gew for me bom.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on October 21, 2017, 07:26:33 PM
Time to go now. I’m a Pulis fan and even I’ve had enough now. We haven’t exactly had a hard start to the premier league and we find ourselves 2 points above the bottom 3.

Last two games have seen us play a poor Leicester team and a Southampton team that can’t buy a goal and we end up with one goal from a set piece.

We have given Tony arguably our best squad certainly in my lifetime and we find ourselves playing the worst football in the country.

Enoughs enough now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on October 21, 2017, 07:27:33 PM
get rid
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Andio on October 21, 2017, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on October 21, 2017, 07:26:33 PM
Time to go now. I’m a Pulis fan and even I’ve had enough now.

My sentiments exactly, was a Pulis fan, not anymore.

He needs to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 21, 2017, 07:30:03 PM
And some people will still defend Pulis after another awful performance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 07:30:23 PM
Stokes waiting for you to go home pulis. Off you trott
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 21, 2017, 07:30:28 PM
Surely he's under massive pressure now?

Other than our decent start to the season, we've played like we do after hitting 40 points under Pulis; generally scrappy games and at best you get a draw. This may sound controversial but I thought he did really well last season and our football was decent at times, but something isn't working and needs a change.
The next few games will be massive. I expect him to bring in Yacob (hopefully for Livermore who has been poor). Even with the injuries, it was like we set up to lose today. I don't mind the defensive side of Pulis but it hasn't worked this season and we've had fairly easy fixtures.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 21, 2017, 07:30:54 PM
Yet there are still people that think it's the minority that want him gone  ???

We actually can't get any worse.... and we have city, Chelsea and spurs coming up as we sit 2 points above the drop zone.

still early days but unless something changes dramatically, it could be a very long season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on October 21, 2017, 07:34:19 PM
The thing with Tone is that whilst you are getting decent results the poor performances are acceptable to some extent and life goes on. However, when you have dire performances AND dire results, this is where old Tone falls down. He's very close to crossing that line where it will become totally unacceptable to all. He usually pulls a result out of the bag though.

He talks a lot about trying new things and hoping to blood young players, but at the end of the day, he knows what he likes and he likes what he knows. Take it or leave it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: koren on October 21, 2017, 07:35:25 PM
Times up for Pulis.
We play even worse after a good transfer window. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 21, 2017, 07:35:46 PM
Yeah that was pathetic, starting to feel that its not working anymore

Im not a Pulis fan, I just appreciate the job he has done for us, but this performance was horrific
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on October 21, 2017, 07:38:04 PM
I think he has 2 games and he'll be gone unless Man C put 5 or 6 past us. The only chance he has is beating Huddersfield which may give him a month if we can scrape a draw or two.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 21, 2017, 07:39:39 PM
Time for the prehistoric bitter clown to leave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 21, 2017, 07:39:59 PM
Why oh why was his contract ever extended
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 21, 2017, 07:41:21 PM
I'll wait around Christmas to reassess but I am also not a fan of sacking managers so early on the year. Hence why I also don't think Koeman/Bilic should be fired right now either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 21, 2017, 07:41:43 PM
Commentators just said they feel for West Brom fans having to watch that every week.

Says it all really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 21, 2017, 07:42:55 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on October 21, 2017, 07:41:21 PM
I'll wait around Christmas to reassess but I am also not a fan of sacking managers so early on the year. Hence why I also don't think Koeman/Bilic should be fired right now either.

Wait and it could be to late.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 21, 2017, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 21, 2017, 07:35:46 PM
Yeah that was pathetic, starting to feel that its not working anymore

Im not a Pulis fan, I just appreciate the job he has done for us, but this performance was horrific
This is where I have been ,refused to go back because the entertainments not there but get why you would have him in charge

Until now.......I think the time is right to go T P
This team are capable of way better
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 21, 2017, 07:43:14 PM
Interested to see what TheBrom has to say about that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 21, 2017, 07:44:00 PM
I am not quite in the Pulis Out club yet but i am filling in the application form ready to be sent.

I think by end of November i will be firmly in the 'Pulis Out' brigade as i expect us to be in the bottom 3 as out our next 4 games i think we will get three points maximum (we are likely to beat a spurs or something) but by end of November we will be a third of the way through the season and also seems a fair time to judge somebody who will be coming upto three years in the job.

I said previous at the start of the season i had real optimism with our squad, i thought Pulis had steadied us and now he would improve us style wise, we havent, we have got worse if anything, i think the players are better than what they are being asked, i think your Craig Gardners, Jonas Olssons, etc know their limits and are happy to chase balls round and whack it long, i think players in our squad now expect to be doing more than that.

I think looking at us at the moment our players look like they are going through the motions a bit, i dont necessarily agree with the saying managers losing dressing rooms but if i was a number of Albion players i would be insulted to be asked to play the way we play, its cowardly pathetic football.

Sadly we now have a reputation, i know people say they dont care what others think but your reputation goes before you, its okay being labelled a boring club when you have a certain type of player (ie - Gardners, etc) but i wonder if a prospective signing asked say Evans, Barry, Greg, Chadli, Rondon, even Rodrigues if they should sign for us what they would say now they have experienced Pulis first hand.

Its a shame as i actually like Pulis and really wanted us to kick on style wise but my blind optimism is fast facing the reality that it dont matter who we have in the team, they will play the same way.

I feel we are getting worse if anything and we now seem more negative than ever, i think Man City will stuff us, probably an early goal and i expect the atmosphere next week to be poisonous and the first proper chants of Pulis out to start and with the start we have had, the players we have got and what we have served up, its not undeserved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 21, 2017, 07:45:22 PM
Quote from: Aztech on October 21, 2017, 07:42:55 PM
Wait and it could be to late.

Sure or he can turn it around and then you can a new manager in the summer. If you trust the manager to spend money in the summer at least give him to Christmas time to see if he can get it right. Same goes to Hughes/Bilic/Pulis/Koeman
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: Aztech on October 21, 2017, 07:41:43 PM
Commentators just said they feel for West Brom fans having to watch that every week.

Says it all really.


I am glad at last the media are seeing and saying the truth
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 07:45:48 PM
is anyone surprised its come to this? he's had 1 purple patch since he's been here the rest has been shyte. he's never had  full support from the  fans since he's been here and never will have, it may not happen straight away but I think its inevitable which way its going to end.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 21, 2017, 07:46:15 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on October 21, 2017, 07:45:22 PM
Sure or he can turn it around and then you can a new manager in the summer. If you trust the manager to spend money in the summer at least give him to Christmas time to see if he can get it right. Same goes to Hughes/Bilic/Pulis/Koeman

Which is what should have happened last season, as I called for and was shot down for
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on October 21, 2017, 07:46:31 PM
Just go please!. If you have any decency you will go in Monday and hand your resignation in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 21, 2017, 07:47:52 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on October 21, 2017, 07:44:00 PM
I am not quite in the Pulis Out club yet but i am filling in the application form ready to be sent.

I think by end of November i will be firmly in the 'Pulis Out' brigade as i expect us to be in the bottom 3 as out our next 4 games i think we will get three points maximum (we are likely to beat a spurs or something) but by end of November we will be a third of the way through the season and also seems a fair time to judge somebody who will be coming upto three years in the job.

I said previous at the start of the season i had real optimism with our squad, i thought Pulis had steadied us and now he would improve us style wise, we havent, we have got worse if anything, i think the players are better than what they are being asked, i think your Craig Gardners, Jonas Olssons, etc know their limits and are happy to chase balls round and whack it long, i think players in our squad now expect to be doing more than that.

I think looking at us at the moment our players look like they are going through the motions a bit, i dont necessarily agree with the saying managers losing dressing rooms but if i was a number of Albion players i would be insulted to be asked to play the way we play, its cowardly pathetic football.

Sadly we now have a reputation, i know people say they dont care what others think but your reputation goes before you, its okay being labelled a boring club when you have a certain type of player (ie - Gardners, etc) but i wonder if a prospective signing asked say Evans, Barry, Greg, Chadli, Rondon, even Rodrigues if they should sign for us what they would say now they have experienced Pulis first hand.

Its a shame as i actually like Pulis and really wanted us to kick on style wise but my blind optimism is fast facing the reality that it dont matter who we have in the team, they will play the same way.

I feel we are getting worse if anything and we now seem more negative than ever, i think Man City will stuff us, probably an early goal and i expect the atmosphere next week to be poisonous and the first proper chants of Pulis out to start and with the start we have had, the players we have got and what we have served up, its not undeserved.

Everything you've said was entirely predictable. Why anyone thought anything different was going to happen was simply blind optimism based on zero evidence. Pulis will be Pulis regardless of squad strength, money available etc. He will play the way he plays and it will never change. I simply can't understand why anyone thought we would be playing any other style of football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 21, 2017, 07:47:52 PM
Quote from: gerry m on October 21, 2017, 07:46:31 PM
Just go please!. If you have any decency you will go in Monday and hand your resignation in.

Never going to happen, he will wait to be sacked and take the pay off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 21, 2017, 07:49:11 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 21, 2017, 07:46:15 PM
Which is what should have happened last season, as I called for and was shot down for

Sure if there was real interest from quality managers WBA should have listen but that boat has sailed. Just ride it out to the Christmas period and reassess then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 07:49:32 PM
the day he goes the day I renew
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 21, 2017, 07:51:12 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on October 21, 2017, 07:49:11 PM
Sure if there was real interest from quality managers WBA should have listen but that boat has sailed. Just ride it out to the Christmas period and reassess then.

Silva was always going to leave Hull, we were in a better position than Watford at the time and should have acted.

I can't even think who I would want as manager currently, the one man I particularly wanted is currently leading Watford into the top six averaging two goals a game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 21, 2017, 07:51:38 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 07:49:32 PM
the day he goes the day I renew

You any many others I would imagine
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 07:51:55 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 07:45:35 PM

I am glad at last the media are seeing and saying the truth
it doesn't bother some what comments are made about us but I hate it, to listen to the club ridiculed hurts even though what's being said has a ring of truth about it. I want the club spoken about positively but we just seem to be stinking the place out atm.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 21, 2017, 07:53:17 PM
Its just a bit sad isnt it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 21, 2017, 07:54:01 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 07:51:55 PM
it doesn't bother some what comments are made about us but I hate it, to listen to the club ridiculed hurts even though what's being said has a ring of truth about it. I want the club spoken about positively but we just seem to be stinking the place out atm.

What they say about us is spot on, and exactly as we said about stoke when Pulis was in charge there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggy nerd on October 21, 2017, 07:54:48 PM
Tony has 2 problems. Firstly we have lots of the big 6 still to play in this half and they are just too good for us. We will need to do very well against the 'lower teams' in the second half. Secondly it is difficult to see who the strugglers are going to be, the points tally needed may be high.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 21, 2017, 07:54:55 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 07:45:35 PM

I am glad at last the media are seeing and saying the truth
You can be pretty sure the local media will chicken out of saying anything about it at his next presser though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 21, 2017, 07:55:38 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 21, 2017, 07:53:17 PM
Its just a bit sad isnt it.

Hardly sad, I’d suggest it is devastating what Pulis is doing to our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 21, 2017, 07:56:20 PM
Quote from: Aztech on October 21, 2017, 07:55:38 PM
Hardly sad, I’d suggest it is devastating what Pulis is doing to our club.

When I say sad, I mean crushingly depressing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 21, 2017, 07:57:43 PM
We’re rapidly approaching page 666 on this thread. Could there be a significance? :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 08:01:36 PM
I know its against forum rules to talk about a new manager coming in if Pulis is eventually replaced but how about a poll to see what support he has/hasn't got.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 08:02:26 PM
Quote from: costa blanca baggie on October 21, 2017, 07:57:43 PM
We’re rapidly approaching page 666 on this thread. Could there be a significance? :P


time for Satan to send him and his baseball cap packing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 21, 2017, 08:02:44 PM
3 wins, 14 goals & 15 points from 21 games since March. How much longer do we have to endure this dinosaur at WBA? Pulis is a media darling so escapes criticism.
 6 wins in 28. No win in 8

The football has always been garbage it was just tolerable whilst we had a mini run last year. He has spent a fortune we have the best squad for a generation he has totally coached the ability out of players like Rondon Livermore and many more.

I don't know how anybody can still support him!? There are other people that can do this job! We can't even defend any more. Can't score and can't keep leads.
Managers with better stats have gone.
Time for pulis to go too...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 21, 2017, 08:02:49 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 21, 2017, 07:56:20 PM
When I say sad, I mean crushingly depressing.

Agreed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on October 21, 2017, 08:03:46 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on October 21, 2017, 08:02:44 PM
3 wins, 14 goals & 15 points from 21 games since March. How much longer do we have to endure this dinosaur at WBA? Pulis is a media darling so escapes criticism.
 6 wins in 28. No win in 8

The football has always been garbage it was just tolerable whilst we had a mini run last year. He has spent a fortune we have the best squad for a generation he has totally coached the ability out of players like Rondon Livermore and many more.

I don't know how anybody can still support him!? There are other people that can do this job! We can't even defend any more. Can't score and can't keep leads.
Managers with better stats have gone.
Time for pulis to go too...
Amen to that...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mig on October 21, 2017, 08:04:44 PM
Not sure if anyone is still in the 'Pulis in' camp but, in trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, can anybody name anything positive that Pulis is doing for this club?

The only thing I can think of is that he has improved the playing squad, but hey what's the point in that when you don't let it play to its potential?? And tbh with the money he has had it would be pretty hard not to buy better players, but Pulis still finds a way to waste it.

People say he doesn't get relegated like it is some sort of scientific fact. Anyone who truly believes that has a major reality check coming their way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 21, 2017, 08:04:59 PM
I have just heard his interview on WM asked why we where so flat in the first half, his answer "I don't" but we were better in the second half and the lads really worked Arrd what a complete idiot please please go for the good of the club and my sanity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 08:06:21 PM
I nearly renewed my season ticket just but the hes gone post has gone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 21, 2017, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 07:49:32 PM
the day he goes the day I renew

I'll drive down from Glasgow the next day to hang up the bunting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 08:07:52 PM
Quote from: albion59 on October 21, 2017, 08:04:59 PM
I have just heard his interview on WM asked why we where so flat in the first half, his answer "I don't" but we were better in the second half and the lads really worked Arrd what a complete idiot please please go for the good of the club and my sanity.


i dont listen to his pre or after match comments anymore
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 21, 2017, 08:09:36 PM
The only thing I can see is that we are on a massively poor run and still only 1 win from 7th  :o


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 08:13:56 PM
for me hes two games from the boot. he needs a big result at Huddersfield. loosing heavily next week maybe one game then.atmosphere next week if we get hammered wont be pretty
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 21, 2017, 08:24:07 PM
Tonight is a watershed there is no coming back he's done he knows it , the players know it ,we know it .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 08:24:31 PM
Expected far worse at the full time whistle considering this supposed opposition to his continued tenure. Small pockets of fans a couple of hundred tops.


As a catalyst to turn you won't get a much better chance than that. Average performance and concede a late goal. Didn't happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 08:25:56 PM
most of his faithful are away supporters
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 21, 2017, 08:29:50 PM
I think Devon is bang on, a no show and thrashing at home to MC followed by a loss at Huddersfield and he is in huge trouble!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 21, 2017, 08:30:59 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 08:24:31 PM
Expected far worse at the full time whistle considering this supposed opposition to his continued tenure. Small pockets of fans a couple of hundred tops.


As a catalyst to turn you won't get a much better chance than that. Average performance and concede a late goal. Didn't happen.

Ok. So how do you feel about the current form of the team, the quality of the performances, the progression of the squad, the development of the youth, what you expect to happen over the next two years?

You constantly support Pulis but I just cant see what the positives are.

I can barely think of a single positive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie_liam on October 21, 2017, 08:36:14 PM
Sadly he won’t walk... and we won’t sack him! We are stuck whether we like it or not
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: baggie_liam on October 21, 2017, 08:36:14 PM
Sadly he won’t walk... and we won’t sack him! We are stuck whether we like it or not


i don't agree with you at all, i am sure Lai will see sense

Megson coming in also has not helped and he needs to go when Pulis goes
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on October 21, 2017, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Mo on October 21, 2017, 08:24:07 PM
Tonight is a watershed there is no coming back he's done he knows it , the players know it ,we know it .

I hope you are right 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 08:38:34 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 08:24:31 PM
Expected far worse at the full time whistle considering this supposed opposition to his continued tenure. Small pockets of fans a couple of hundred tops.


As a catalyst to turn you won't get a much better chance than that. Average performance and concede a late goal. Didn't happen.
there was only 201 away fans
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 08:38:34 PM
there was only 201 away fans


I can assure you that is not the case  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on October 21, 2017, 08:42:26 PM
What annoys me are the posts on here saying you're not a true fan if you want Albion to lose or be relegated.
I've been a fan in the South East for 59 years, travelling to a lot of matches when I could afford it, but now, that's my lot until Pulis is gone. He's wrecking our dear club.
PLEASE DON'T TURN UP FOR THE NEXT GAME AND THAT MIGHT SPEED UP HIS DEPARTURE IF THEY HAVE TO PLAY IN A HALF EMPTY STADIUM! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on October 21, 2017, 09:09:11 PM
It seems that whenever Pulis has a better squad and better quality of player he struggles. He is better when his options are limited and he is in a backs to the wall situation. The spin from the club / local media is how will he evolve the team with better players. Pulls kept saying we need to get better quality in. The irony is he can't seem to figure that out. The squad we have now us ironically not a Pulis squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 21, 2017, 09:14:23 PM
I've been generally supportive of Pulis and it should never be a case of being 'Pulis out' or 'in the Pulis camp'. Just judge what you're seeing on current form...I'm not saying now is the time but there comes a right time for any manager to go.
These are the murkiest waters he's been in for the reason that no-one is showing any confidence or form...that tends to happen when things take a turn for the worse in the camp and in terms of belief in the coaching team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on October 21, 2017, 09:16:46 PM
Quote from: chippyclarke on October 21, 2017, 08:42:26 PM
What annoys me are the posts on here saying you're not a true fan if you want Albion to lose or be relegated.
I've been a fan in the South East for 59 years, travelling to a lot of matches when I could afford it, but now, that's my lot until Pulis is gone. He's wrecking our dear club.
PLEASE DON'T TURN UP FOR THE NEXT GAME AND THAT MIGHT SPEED UP HIS DEPARTURE IF THEY HAVE TO PLAY IN A HALF EMPTY STADIUM!

I was under the impression that our home games are already played in a half empty stadium?

Albion don't need income from ticket sales. All the money from tv means the owners no longer need to worry about that kind of thing.

I kind of like pulis but his stubbornness annoys me. He won't go. Think we're stuck with him for a while yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 21, 2017, 09:19:59 PM
This weekend we've seen Brighton comfortably beat West Ham away, Huddersfield excite everyone and beat United, whilst we play for a 0-0 at a poor Southampton side.

I honestly cannot see how any fan could ever defend this style of play. I got slated in pre season by many on here for hating Pulis, but seriously how can you think any different when all we hear from his is praise for how good the opposition are and how we worked really aard?

He sets us up inviting a defeat. He is not a defensive masterclass and our record shows this. Too many late goals, I thought the mountain runs were supposed to help wth this??? Once again, I got slated in the summer for defending Chadli saying those hill climbs were dinosaur training regimes and proof is in the pudding.

He allows teams 65% of the ball or more, how on earth can he justify trying to be better in possession? He sets us up with an unbalanced team with no spark to move forward. Our 'wingers' aren't blistering so we struggle to get up the pitch like we did last year when Phillips was firing, now we look lost and short of any ideas whatsoever.

I see it this way; with Pulis in charge we pick up 1-3 points from next 4 games. Replace now and we have nothing to lose, could even get a freak result and give somebody a few weeks to bed in new ideas and assess.

I thank him for keeping us up when he replaced Irvine, but from there onwards he has ripped the club's fan base apart and has pushed us back in that sense. Never have I seen the fan base so disillusioned with the Albion, and that is very sad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 21, 2017, 09:21:57 PM
24,600 for the last home game is not half empty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on October 21, 2017, 09:23:53 PM
He may walk himself - into the Welsh job - if Chris Coleman’s contract is not renewed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 21, 2017, 09:29:29 PM
You know the pattern, we'll go and pick up 7 points from our next 4 games and the lid will be put back on things.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 09:30:12 PM
maybe he will start getting your football is pooh tune again very soon like at Bournemouth last season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on October 21, 2017, 09:40:55 PM
I've always defended Pulis but this last month has been evident that something clearly isn't right. While we are at it please get rid of his assistant too past glories or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 21, 2017, 09:43:22 PM
Ive just found this

http://soccer-rumours.com/?story=35&buying=3&selling=25&player=1

Wonder if this is why Phillips hasnt been playing

The way our players are playing would also suggest he may have started to lose the dressing room
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 21, 2017, 09:45:47 PM
Never wanted him in the first place ( unlike some Albion fans ) wont shed a tear when he goes has always been my saying.

Bye Bye Tony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 09:55:20 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 21, 2017, 09:43:22 PM
Ive just found this

http://soccer-rumours.com/?story=35&buying=3&selling=25&player=1

Wonder if this is why Phillips hasnt been playing

The way our players are playing would also suggest he may have started to lose the dressing room
wouldn't surprise me about a player not enjoying the football. hadn't heard of him losing the dressing room

Last night, insiders at The Hawthorns revealed that West Brom boss Tony Pulis was in danger of being sacked by the club.

 The reports come on the back of last week's news that Tony Pulis has lost the dressing room.

 'Last week, he and Matt Phillips got into a huge row over the team's negative tactics', revealed one source.

 'Yesterday, the board had to intervene and prevent him from placing Phillips on the transfer list.'

 'Things are crazy at the moment, as it looks as though the club is getting ready to end its relationship with Tony Pulis.'

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 21, 2017, 09:55:36 PM
Quote from: BB74 on October 21, 2017, 09:29:29 PM
You know the pattern, we'll go and pick up 7 points from our next 4 games and the lid will be put back on things.
Don't think he's got that in his locker any more mate, he's devoid of ideas.
I expect 1 at best. Will he survive? Provably.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 21, 2017, 09:58:47 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 21, 2017, 09:43:22 PM
Ive just found this

http://soccer-rumours.com/?story=35&buying=3&selling=25&player=1

Wonder if this is why Phillips hasnt been playing

The way our players are playing would also suggest he may have started to lose the dressing room
1st glimmer of hope for many months
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: yorkshire baggie on October 21, 2017, 09:59:08 PM
Just embarassing.
We have good players that are being destroyed by Pulis and his approach.
Make no mistake..We are in real trouble now.
Get rid of the clown before it is too late. Relgation and a half empty hawthorns beckon.
Pulis must go now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 10:04:18 PM
He needs a win sooner than later. 10 points from 9 games is still ticking along. Assuming defeat next week it's 10 from 10. Then there is little margin for error. I expect us to beat Huddersfield and it'll be 13 from 11. I also think we'll get something at Wembley.


Bit early to get the bunting out yet lads.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 21, 2017, 10:13:30 PM
At what point does anyone think the board will act?

Currently we are hovering just above the point a game level which would still suggest survival but we are sliding fast. Looking at the fixture list I think Newcastle at home is shaping up to be the crunch fixture.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 21, 2017, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 21, 2017, 09:43:22 PM
Ive just found this

http://soccer-rumours.com/?story=35&buying=3&selling=25&player=1

Wonder if this is why Phillips hasnt been playing

The way our players are playing would also suggest he may have started to lose the dressing room
There may be something going on but this doesn't sounds very reliable. The transfer window opens in about 10 weeks so what's the point in 'placing someone on the transfer list' ? Come to think of it I haven't heard that phrase for ages.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 21, 2017, 10:19:34 PM
Quote from: Standaman on October 21, 2017, 10:13:30 PM
At what point does anyone think the board will act?

Currently we are hovering just above the point a game level which would still suggest survival but we are sliding fast. Looking at the fixture list I think Newcastle at home is shaping up to be the crunch fixture.

I think he will be given around 4 league games to change things. Usually it would be less but he's known for getting through tough patches and will have earned extra time in the boards eyes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on October 21, 2017, 10:23:59 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 21, 2017, 10:19:34 PM
I think he will be given around 4 league games to change things. Usually it would be less but he's known for getting through tough patches and will have earned extra time in the boards eyes.

Two wins in 18. The time to act is NOW
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on October 21, 2017, 10:25:06 PM
This worm (me) is turning! The job TP was brought in to do has been done! He needs to evolve now or move on!
I saw this somewhere & pinched it! Apologies to the composer of it but I thought it worthy of sharing!
P utrid
U nentertaining
L acklustre
I rrelevant
S occer
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 10:27:31 PM
Quote from: Standaman on October 21, 2017, 10:13:30 PM
At what point does anyone think the board will act?

Currently we are hovering just above the point a game level which would still suggest survival but we are sliding fast. Looking at the fixture list I think Newcastle at home is shaping up to be the crunch fixture.
The hierarchy would be foolish not be a bit concerned the way things are going, the fixture have in general been kind and we've mustered a point a game, if we are winless in the next 3-4 matches I think they will act. our form has been poor for about 20 or so matches and doesn't show signs of improving and after backing Pulis in the transfer market they and us fans would have expected better. don't see him here at xmas
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 21, 2017, 10:32:23 PM
The board will hopefully consider who they might replace him with ....before any sacking. Leicester could soon be joined by West Ham and maybe Stoke in hunting their next manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 21, 2017, 10:33:10 PM
I am just angry right now. Watched the game and then went to the pub with the other half. Watched the Championship round up and saw good football and decent goals. Then I wondered why we set ourselves up the way we did... again.

That was embarrassing and I am now converted - there has to be change 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Standaman on October 21, 2017, 10:13:30 PM
At what point does anyone think the board will act?

Currently we are hovering just above the point a game level which would still suggest survival but we are sliding fast. Looking at the fixture list I think Newcastle at home is shaping up to be the crunch fixture.


First things first. Forget the end of last season. Not you personally but I keep seeing this 2 wins in 20 stat. Any dismissal will be based solely on this season's results. I have outlined above how I expect it to pan out. I actually don't think he's under any pressure from the board yet. And won't be if we lose to a wonderful City team next week. However, should we fail to pick up 4 or more points from Huddersfield Chelsea Spurs and Newcastle he will be sacked if we fail to win the Palace game. Lots of ifs and buts there. I back us to take between 7 and 9 points from the next 6 matches which will be enough imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 21, 2017, 10:39:29 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on October 21, 2017, 10:33:10 PM
I am just angry right now. Watched the game and then went to the pub with the other half. Watched the Championship round up and saw good football and decent goals. Then I wondered why we set ourselves up the way we did... again.

That was embarrassing and I am now converted - there has to be change

Kev I was in the pub watching it and had to leave at half time, couldn't watch it anymore. I have seen some rubbish in my time but that was up with the worst.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 21, 2017, 10:40:11 PM
A footballing dinosaur who does not seem to understand the views of the majority and selfishly sticks to his way without compromise , is now being massively found out and needs to go

Oh....and Jacko .....take Pullis with you 😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 21, 2017, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 10:38:17 PM

First things first. Forget the end of last season. Not you personally but I keep seeing this 2 wins in 20 stat. Any dismissal will be based solely on this season's results. I have outlined above how I expect it to pan out. I actually don't think he's under any pressure from the board yet. And won't be if we lose to a wonderful City team next week. However, should we fail to pick up 4 or more points from Huddersfield Chelsea Spurs and Newcastle he will be sacked if we fail to win the Palace game. Lots of ifs and buts there. I back us to take between 7 and 9 points from the next 6 matches which will be enough imo.

I've seen a lot of social media tonight and I reckon 90% of the diehard Pulis supporters have turned tonight.  There's no way back from that.

I think he's a goner and won't get much longer
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on October 21, 2017, 10:45:01 PM
Pulis and megson need to go now .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 21, 2017, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on October 21, 2017, 10:44:13 PM
I've seen a lot of social media tonight and I reckon 90% of the diehard Pulis supporters have turned tonight.  There's no way back from that.

I think he's a goner and won't get much longer

Regardless of the opponents, if we get slaughtered on Saturday the ground will turn.

I for one feel we should take the game to City, we've proved in the last 3 games we can't stop Watford, Leicester & Southampton so what hope do we have against  City.

He's a goner though; thank god!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 10:48:43 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on October 21, 2017, 10:44:13 PM
I've seen a lot of social media tonight and I reckon 90% of the diehard Pulis supporters have turned tonight.  There's no way back from that.

I think he's a goner and won't get much longer


I was at the game. Only a smattering of dissenting songs from small groups of fans. Aside from the Attack Attack Attack chants.


Also if he picks up more than a point a game a guy like Williams won't rock the boat irrespective of the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on October 21, 2017, 10:50:31 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 09:30:12 PM
maybe he will start getting your football is rubbish tune again very soon like at Bournemouth last season
my cousin was there - it was sung today apparently, applauded by the saints fans!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 21, 2017, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 10:38:17 PM

First things first. Forget the end of last season. Not you personally but I keep seeing this 2 wins in 20 stat. Any dismissal will be based solely on this season's results. I have outlined above how I expect it to pan out. I actually don't think he's under any pressure from the board yet. And won't be if we lose to a wonderful City team next week. However, should we fail to pick up 4 or more points from Huddersfield Chelsea Spurs and Newcastle he will be sacked if we fail to win the Palace game. Lots of ifs and buts there. I back us to take between 7 and 9 points from the next 6 matches which will be enough imo.

Sadly I think you are correct
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 21, 2017, 10:53:35 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 10:48:43 PM

I was at the game. Only a smattering of dissenting songs from small groups of fans. Aside from the Attack Attack Attack chants.


Also if he picks up more than a point a game a guy like Williams won't rock the boat irrespective of the fans.

2 of my mates were at the game and they said it was a lot more widespread than that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 10:55:54 PM
Quote from: overseas baggie on October 21, 2017, 10:53:35 PM
2 of my mates were at the game and they said it was a lot more widespread than that


I promise you it wasn't. I was right up the back. Small pockets of supporters. Can't imagine any of it was audible on the tv either. What may be telling is no one was shouting them down which usually happens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 21, 2017, 10:58:20 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 10:55:54 PM

I promise you it wasn't. I was right up the back. Small pockets of supporters. Can't imagine any of it was audible on the tv either. What may be telling is no one was shouting them down which usually happens.

Yes I think that last point probably is telling.  Certainly the social media "turning" is very evident tonight.

Mind you, the stick that Hughes is getting on the Stoke forums is a lot worse!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 21, 2017, 10:59:38 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 21, 2017, 09:43:22 PM
Ive just found this

http://soccer-rumours.com/?story=35&buying=3&selling=25&player=1

Wonder if this is why Phillips hasnt been playing

The way our players are playing would also suggest he may have started to lose the dressing room

Hate to burst people’s bubbles but this website is basically a rumour generator.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Beefy on October 21, 2017, 11:00:26 PM
Di Matteo 2 wins in 10 SACKED
Mel 2 wins in 7 SACKED
Irvine 1 win in 6 SACKED
Pulis 2 wins in 18, 1 win in 13 (2016-17) new Contract signed ...........  :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 21, 2017, 11:03:59 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 10:38:17 PM

First things first. Forget the end of last season. Not you personally but I keep seeing this 2 wins in 20 stat. Any dismissal will be based solely on this season's results. I have outlined above how I expect it to pan out. I actually don't think he's under any pressure from the board yet. And won't be if we lose to a wonderful City team next week. However, should we fail to pick up 4 or more points from Huddersfield Chelsea Spurs and Newcastle he will be sacked if we fail to win the Palace game. Lots of ifs and buts there. I back us to take between 7 and 9 points from the next 6 matches which will be enough imo.

I don't think the end of last season can be completely discounted it certainly doesn't help his cause with the fans but agree the board is more likely to focus on the here and now. I wouldn't back us to win a raffle at the moment we are not playing well and we have been generally playing teams that have been scratching around for form themselves.

I think you are right that 7 points will be enough from the next 6 even 6 might be enough but less than that and I think the taxi will be on order.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 21, 2017, 11:04:03 PM
Scanning around other forums and social media its very telling to me the pro Pulis and sit on the fence guys have very little to say in defence of TP.
Normally you see a good amount in defence no matter how bad the result / performance  , I suppose there's just no defending that tonight or some others lately.
While I agree the job was done by Febuary last season I don't believe you can write off those last 10/12 games so easy and they should count IMO. Add that to this season and If he was sacked in the morning I really don't think he could argue.
I personally enjoyed how we played from Nov to Feb and its hard to believe how far the football has slipped in such a short time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on October 21, 2017, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 21, 2017, 11:04:03 PM
Scanning around other forums and social media its very telling to me the pro Pulis and sit on the fence guys have very little to say in defence of TP.
Normally you see a good amount in defence no matter how bad the result / performance  , I suppose there's just no defending that tonight or some others lately.
While I agree the job was done by Febuary last season I don't believe you can write off those last 10/12 games so easy and they should count IMO. Add that to this season and If he was sacked in the morning I really don't think he could argue.
I personally enjoyed how we played from Nov to Feb and its hard to believe how far the football has slipped in such a short time.

No Kemp, no Fletcher.  A factor this season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 21, 2017, 11:13:39 PM
Said the same to my Dad over Fletcher , yes he was badly flagging towards the end but I don't feel he's been replaced yet .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 11:18:28 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 21, 2017, 11:13:39 PM
Said the same to my Dad over Fletcher , yes he was badly flagging towards the end but I don't feel he's been replaced yet .


He's doing a sterling job at Stoke. Losing him was part of the solution rather than otherwise. Livermore is an improvement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 21, 2017, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 11:18:28 PM

He's doing a sterling job at Stoke. Losing him was part of the solution rather than otherwise. Livermore is an improvement.

Are you serious? Livermore is arguably our worst player, especially within the usual starters.

Whilst Fletcher was running on empty, I wouldn't say he is worse than Livermore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 11:21:31 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 21, 2017, 11:19:46 PM
Are you serious? Livermore is arguably our worst player, especially within the usual starters.

Whilst Fletcher was running on empty, I wouldn't say he is worse than Livermore.


Yes I am serious. Yes Livermore is terrible. That's how highly I think of Fletcher.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 11:25:31 PM
when he says this in his after match talk he completely baffles me.

I think if we score we go on to win the game.

why? he makes it sound that we was unlucky.
we've scored in previous matches and haven't won the game so why would this one been any different.
Pulis is a master at saying the right things to the media and deflects all blame away from himself.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 21, 2017, 11:28:53 PM
Pulis has a way of getting points in unlikely situations. I wouldn't bet against us getting some points against the big boys. We aren't getting the breaks at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 21, 2017, 11:32:23 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 21, 2017, 11:28:53 PM
Pulis has a way of getting points in unlikely situations. I wouldn't bet against us getting some points against the big boys. We aren't getting the breaks at the moment.

Are you living in Cuckoo Land?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 21, 2017, 11:34:22 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 11:18:28 PM

He's doing a sterling job at Stoke. Losing him was part of the solution rather than otherwise. Livermore is an improvement.
Have to disagree Jacko , as I posted he faded badly but was a key player for us and Pulis for a long time.
His form at Stoke has little to do with it , my point is I'm yet to see anybody step in to his role as Pulis's man on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 21, 2017, 11:37:35 PM
Quote from: Beefy on October 21, 2017, 11:00:26 PM
Di Matteo 2 wins in 10 SACKED
Mel 2 wins in 7 SACKED
Irvine 1 win in 6 SACKED
Pulis 2 wins in 18, 1 win in 13 (2016-17) new Contract signed ...........  :-\

Those were in one season, that Pulis stat is from two seasons.

Don't know why last seasons stats are getting included. Just another chance to knock TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 11:38:57 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 21, 2017, 11:37:35 PM
Those were in one season, that Pulis stat is from two seasons.

Don't know why last seasons stats are getting included. Just another chance to knock TP.


2 wins in 9 isn't great. But the stat needed is points per game. Always has been.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on October 21, 2017, 11:41:10 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 21, 2017, 11:28:53 PM
Pulis has a way of getting points in unlikely situations. I wouldn't bet against us getting some points against the big boys. We aren't getting the breaks at the moment.

And what happens if those breaks went Southampton's way tonight? The'd have won 4-0 instead of 1.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 21, 2017, 11:42:42 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 21, 2017, 11:28:53 PM
Pulis has a way of getting points in unlikely situations. I wouldn't bet against us getting some points against the big boys. We aren't getting the breaks at the moment.

Can’t say I agree about breaks. Southampton spurned tons of chances, as did Leicester, as have other teams. We simply are setting to nick games 1-0 and it isn’t working and Pulis is changing nothing. He needs to act fast or his job will be on the line.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 21, 2017, 11:43:58 PM
Quote from: lewisant on October 21, 2017, 11:42:42 PM
Can’t say I agree about breaks. Southampton spurned tons of chances, as did Leicester, as have other teams. We simply are setting to nick games 1-0 and it isn’t working and Pulis is changing nothing. He needs to act fast or his job will be on the line.

In fact, the only thing he tinkered with has been the defence which WAS doing well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 21, 2017, 11:44:23 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 11:38:57 PM

2 wins in 9 isn't great. But the stat needed is points per game. Always has been.

Agreed. We needed to turn those draws against the likes of Watford and Leicester into wins. Using the games from last season to justify getting rid of Pulis is poor though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 11:48:23 PM
so its all right to praise the purple patch from last season but forget the shocking end to it. 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 21, 2017, 11:48:51 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 21, 2017, 11:44:23 PM
Agreed. We needed to turn those draws against the likes of Watford and Leicester into wins. Using the games from last season to justify getting rid of Pulis is poor though.
No it isn't poor, we are useless Pulis is useless and we have been useless for months, no more excuses Pulis out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 21, 2017, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 11:38:57 PM

2 wins in 9 isn't great. But the stat needed is points per game. Always has been.

Correct

If there is a decent enough return of points in the next 4-5 games then he may get a stay of execution. Im starting to think he may have lost some of the dressing room and thats why we are under performing so much.

It would explain some strange exclusions for me
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 21, 2017, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 21, 2017, 11:44:23 PM
Agreed. We needed to turn those draws against the likes of Watford and Leicester into wins. Using the games from last season to justify getting rid of Pulis is poor though.
While its not a major point last seasons form shouldnt be ignored especially when you start off in a similiar fashion. Put it this way I remember Steve Clarke getting quoted with the same after ending one season poorly then sacked before Xmas.
Its not the major factor but it won't be ignored either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 21, 2017, 11:54:37 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 21, 2017, 11:49:08 PM
Correct

If there is a decent enough return of points in the next 4-5 games then he may get a stay of execution. Im starting to think he may have lost some of the dressing room and thats why we are under performing so much.

It would explain some strange exclusions for me
In all honesty I think its done and its just a matter of when Pulis goes not if , thats going on performances this season and strange team line ups ( why ditch Brunt ? ) .
That said if there's one person who can turn it around its Pulis by digging some points up from somewhere unexpected.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 11:58:21 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 21, 2017, 11:49:40 PM
While its not a major point last seasons form shouldnt be ignored especially when you start off in a similiar fashion. Put it this way I remember Steve Clarke getting quoted with the same after ending one season poorly then sacked before Xmas.
Its not the major factor but it won't be ignored either.


Clarke had 15 points from 16 games. That cost him his job. Not the no. of wins in the calendar year stat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 22, 2017, 12:01:17 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 11:58:21 PM

Clarke had 15 points from 16 games. That cost him his job. Not the no. of wins in the calendar year stat.
No mate , I well remember him getting hammered for the ending of his first season then the above stat seeing him sacked. Very little difference really , I don't believe it should be a major factor but it will be a factor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 12:01:53 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 11:48:23 PM
so its all right to praise the purple patch from last season but forget the shocking end to it. 8)

Absolutely bang on. All those who are pro Pulis can point to is that period, because it is the only time our performances have been anywhere near good enough for a sustained period, yet there can be no mentioning of the awful period that came before it and followed it as it does not suit the agenda of the likes of Legend. No thanks, I will judge him on his reign as a whole
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2017, 12:07:53 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 11:48:23 PM
so its all right to praise the purple patch from last season but forget the shocking end to it. 8)


No it's right to mention it but it has no bearing on any decision over his future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 22, 2017, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 12:01:53 AM
Absolutely bang on. All those who are pro Pulis can point to is that period, because it is the only time our performances have been anywhere near good enough for a sustained period, yet there can be no mentioning of the awful period that came before it and followed it as it does not suit the agenda of the likes of Legend. No thanks, I will judge him on his reign as a whole
I'm not pro or anti Pulis but I loved the purple patch and thought we were building something new under TP , that said I don't care if we hit 40 points or not that last 12 game run was appalling and not the first time TP has done that in his career.
Like the bloke , appreciate the awful mess he sorted out but can no longer stomach the football we ended last season with and started this season with .
Playing like that is bareable if picking up some wins and points but when you don't it stinks the place out , I'm tired of playing like we have a newly promoted side in all honesty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 12:13:22 AM
Quote from: Dexy on October 22, 2017, 12:10:53 AM
I'm not pro or anti Pulis but I loved the purple patch and thought we were building something new under TP , that said I don't care if we hit 40 points or not that last 12 game run was appalling and not the first time TP has done that in his career.
Like the bloke , appreciate the awful mess he sorted out but can no longer stomach the football we ended last season with and started this season with .
Playing like that is bareable if picking up some wins and points but when you don't it stinks the place out , I'm tired of playing like we have a newly promoted side in all honesty.
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Agreed, I was at the point most people seem now to be at a long time ago and have seen nothing thus far this season to tell me I have been wrong for holding this view for so long.

He was the right man at the time on a short term deal, but he should have gone once the ship had been steadied because he cannot play any other way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on October 22, 2017, 12:30:07 AM
Agreed also. I’ve defended Pulis to the hilt...and respect all he has done. But watching us play ‘football’ is truly painful experience and has torn my passion from every game I watch. I do think we have a quality squad...perhaps now is the time to ‘break the bank’ for a quality manager....big name??!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 22, 2017, 01:09:32 AM
Looks like the populous decision is..Bye, Bye.
He won't walk with his head held high.
He is a frustrated dinosaur.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2017, 01:14:59 AM
Not long got home. Won't resign and won't be sacked. We're at an impasse. Night guys.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiesboots on October 22, 2017, 01:25:49 AM
Our fans popularity of TP won't see him sacked, his PL record speaks for itself. Likewise, the questions over the style of football will not see him leave his position voluntarily, even if they were giving him the worst of night terrors.
The best us fans can do is stick with it, and grind it out like we always have done, and hope for something different around the corner. Just because it's the PL doesn't make it any different to  those despondent days years ago, when we all could have given up and not bothered going again. Were still here.   
The only difference in today's game to me, was one player who took the game by the scruff of the neck and scored a decent goal, fair play.  I respect him for that, and wish we would have done it first, but that's football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 22, 2017, 01:28:25 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 21, 2017, 11:37:35 PM
Those were in one season, that Pulis stat is from two seasons.

Don't know why last seasons stats are getting included. Just another chance to knock TP.
OK, how about this. This is a results based industry. It has also become a money making industry. Now if we were any other company, in any other industry, and the monthly targets weren’t being met a few months before the end of the financial year, and continued into the following financial year, would the board of that company not be concerned about a worrying trend? We as fans are concerned. A slump is a slump...regardless of datelines. I’ve been an emotional stakeholder of our wonderful club for nigh on 45 years, and I’m seriously concerned about this negative trend. I just wish I had an answer to it. As usual, I, and we, have to rely on others to have the answer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 22, 2017, 02:17:10 AM
I'd always tried to stay out of this thread - I didn't want to post in it and certainly didn't want to try and moderate it either!

I've had enough. Just go. And take your **** football with you.

His whole purpose is ruining everybody elses entertainment

I've had enough. Just go.

(Might be slightly drunk typing this!!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 22, 2017, 02:30:46 AM
Quote from: overseas baggie on October 21, 2017, 10:53:35 PM
2 of my mates were at the game and they said it was a lot more widespread than that

The chants of 'get out of our club' and your football is pooh was sang on the concourse at half time

Thankfully during the game everybody got behind the team, which given that performance was the least they deserved
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 22, 2017, 03:15:06 AM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on October 22, 2017, 02:17:10 AM
I'd always tried to stay out of this thread - I didn't want to post in it and certainly didn't want to try and moderate it either!

I've had enough. Just go. And take your **** football with you.

His whole purpose is ruining everybody elses entertainment

I've had enough. Just go.

(Might be slightly drunk typing this!!)
I too rarely post on this thread, if at all. I watched it with my non football loving brother here in Florida. At one point, early in the second half, he mentioned that I didn’t seem to be enjoying it much. I actually had my head in my hands at the time. You, me, and others, know from past experience when something is seriously wrong. That point has arrived. We all know it. It’s being powerless to change things from a distance that hurts me. I feel our supporters have quietly protested by not attending home and away. On past experience, I just know those that have stuck with it, are about to start protesting.  It’s inevitable. Sad, but inevitable. I too have had a beer or two. I just wish, for once, it was in celebration.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 22, 2017, 03:16:15 AM
Those supporting Pulis say that the end of last season's results should be ignored and that Pulis's performance and results should be based on this season only and also that Pulis should be given the next 4 matches or so to turn things around.

His present win ratio so far this season is 22.2%. Pepe Mel was sacked with a win ratio of 17.65%. So lets say we don't win any of the next 4 games, that would mean a win ratio of 15.4% and it can't be argued that we have a tough set of games coming up with the relatively kind fixture list at the start of the season. In that scenario would you then agree that the board should take decisive action?

Just for the record Irvine's win ratio was 22.7% before his sacking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 22, 2017, 03:31:27 AM
Just reading elsewhere that he's using one excuse of playing last Monday for the result at Southampton. Strange that it didn't affect Leicester.

It's pathetic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on October 22, 2017, 05:20:47 AM
Unless we achieve something special in the matches v city, Chelsea or Man U we will surely be in the bottom 3 by the end of November.  This has to be the time for TP to go.
I cant bear to watch this dross anymore. It seems more and more apparent to me most of the players are unhappy with the present style, and I wonder looking at some of the performances that he may have lost the dressing room already.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: koren on October 22, 2017, 06:42:07 AM
Pulis saved us from relegation two years ago but he is leading us towards relegation now.
The team didn't make progress and get even worse under his reign.
The board have to make decision quickly if the poor run continues in next few games.
Don't want to be pathetic, but we are really in a big trouble.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on October 22, 2017, 06:46:19 AM
I think the die is cast.
The next 3 games won't do him any favours.
He's history before Christmas IMO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 22, 2017, 07:14:00 AM
One trick pony has often been cited. It is becoming apparent to me that he has no idea how to use players of a higher quality and seems more comfortable with grafters or players of average quality probably because of recognising his own limitations. It was similar at Stoke so the club may regret sanctioning the spending level back in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 22, 2017, 07:51:02 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on October 22, 2017, 07:14:00 AM
One trick pony has often been cited. It is becoming apparent to me that he has no idea how to use players of a higher quality and seems more comfortable with grafters or players of average quality probably because of recognising his own limitations. It was similar at Stoke so the club may regret sanctioning the spending level back in the summer.

This is the frustrating thing really because we all agreed that we had a great transfer window.....we have some great players but they are not being allowed to play. With the right man in charge we could be really useful, but last night for me was a turning point - I never expected such a negative set up and poor display. I can live with defending providing we have a counter attacking plan, but there wasn't one. Even if we had drawn or won I would still be questioning our approach. Surely the players cannot be enjoying their game?   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on October 22, 2017, 07:55:56 AM
I'll hold my hands up and say I'm a pulis fan. I've posted many times in here defending him and having a go at posters who haven't backed him. But I now have to hold my hands up and say I can't anymore defend this. I didn't and couldn't even be bothered to follow yesterday's game let alone watch it. I think he's been unfortunate in some ways, individual mistakes have cost us two wins, Stoke and watford. I'm not sure what the Nationals will make of it if we fire him though at the min. All they ever say is it's tony pulis he'll keep you up. Was there even any reaction from the pundits on motd? Has our run of 3 wins in 21 even been mentioned anywhere? We were slaughtered in the national media for dumping rdm. In my opinion the hudds game in a couple of weeks is the big one. Lose and lose badly there and I can't see how he could stay. It's a shame as I like the blokes honesty and sometimes they way he talks but maybe he's time is coming to an end in football. It's similar to wenger at Arsenal in someways but obviously on a different level
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on October 22, 2017, 08:05:36 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on October 22, 2017, 07:51:02 AM
This is the frustrating thing really because we all agreed that we had a great transfer window.....we have some great players but they are not being allowed to play. With the right man in charge we could be really useful, but last night for me was a turning point - I never expected such a negative set up and poor display. I can live with defending providing we have a counter attacking plan, but there wasn't one. Even if we had drawn or won I would still be questioning our approach. Surely the players cannot be enjoying their game?


Certainly certain players can't be. Greg has played in Europa league finals, he's played for PSG yet he looks lost for us. Every time he gets the ball he has no options where to play it. Jay Rod and Nacer Chadli are having to defend so much any time they get on the ball they must feel incredible pressure to produce because they know it's fairly likely they won't get another chance on the ball for a long, long time. Rodriguez snatched at that golden chance yesterday he probably knew it was going to be the only chance he'd get. The players cannot be playing relaxed.

Young Sam Field has no chance of progressing.He's a decent passer of the ball but that ability will be sacrificed under Pulis because he will play him (when he does play) in such a regimented way and like Greg whenever he does get on the ball there are no options for him.

Oli Burke is young, quick and direct but again Pulis will stifle that attacking talent by completely taking away that mentality.

The sooner Pulis goes the better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 22, 2017, 08:05:54 AM
Lots of discussion of what it is and isn't fair to compare Tony Pulis with so how about Alan Irvine?

Slightly unfair because Irvine was in his first season with a squad he hadn't really assembled and were not of the quality we have now but...

After 9 games Irvine had played three of the top 6 teams (Spurs, Liverpool and Man U) and had 10 points. Scored 11 and conceded 12 with 3 clean sheets.

This season, after 9 games we have played one of the top 6 teams (Arsenal) and have 10 points. Scored 7 and conceded 10 with 3 clean sheets.

Apparently one of the two was definitely taking us down.  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jefferson on October 22, 2017, 08:09:13 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on October 22, 2017, 03:31:27 AM
Just reading elsewhere that he's using one excuse of playing last Monday for the result at Southampton. Strange that it didn't affect Leicester.

It's pathetic.

Why do you think he threw the last 12 games after getting 40 points? Didn't want Europe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 22, 2017, 08:14:01 AM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on October 22, 2017, 08:05:54 AM
Lots of discussion of what it is and isn't fair to compare Tony Pulis with so how about Alan Irvine?

Slightly unfair because Irvine was in his first season with a squad he hadn't really assembled and were not of the quality we have now but...

After 9 games Irvine had played three of the top 6 teams (Spurs, Liverpool and Man U) and had 10 points. Scored 11 and conceded 12 with 3 clean sheets.

This season, after 9 games we have played one of the top 6 teams (Arsenal) and have 10 points. Scored 7 and conceded 10 with 3 clean sheets.

Apparently one of the two was definitely taking us down.  :-X

Irvine definately was taking us down VVV, and the present incumbent is on track to break his own unblemished record.

I get your point about Irvine,  but he has hardly had a stellar career after leaving us has he?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 22, 2017, 08:17:16 AM
This season is turning out to be disappointing considering the players brought in, however our signings in the summer were a bit like giving mowbray some big, tough centre backs who couldn’t pass or a bit like when Pepe Mel tried to play high up the pitch with very big, slow defenders. Pulls doesn’t set teams up with an attacking focus so maybe he’s compromised himself  with some of the signings and is now stuck with some talented players that he just doesn’t know how to get the best out of hence he is defaulting to treating them like he has always done - defend deep and rely on a set piece.

Put us and him out of our collective misery and get a coach who might have some ideas how to balance out this talented squad .....we might just not regret it. At least we’re doing something instead of dying a slow death! Football is about cycles and momentum and Pulis/ Albion’s is clearly coming to an end, we’ve seen it many times
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 22, 2017, 08:18:29 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 21, 2017, 11:44:23 PM
Agreed. We needed to turn those draws against the likes of Watford and Leicester into wins. Using the games from last season to justify getting rid of Pulis is poor though.

People clinging onto his 'purple patch' he had is also poor, if last season's results should be forgotten then so should the 3 months of half decent football he had should be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 22, 2017, 08:31:57 AM
An interesting day yesterday, just been on Oatcake and Stoke appear to have had their 'watershed' game as well. Maybe an interesting game of 'managerial musical chairs' coming up?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on October 22, 2017, 08:47:55 AM
Part of his problem is he just hasnt learned or moved with the times. His mantra of defending deep without the ball is being chucked out of the window. Do that against most teams now and they will score against you, even the bang average have very talented players now so the more you let them have the ball in and around your penalty area the more chances they will create and therefore the more you will concede. Fighting fire with fire may not win every time but you do have to keep opponents wary something TP seems unable or un willing to learn and accept. It is indeed truly dinosaur football and time he was removed from his post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 22, 2017, 08:54:19 AM
I saw someone else say it on here last night, that a big reason as to why Pulis is currently failing is because of the new signings and I think this is very true.

I think overall, Gibbs is better than Brunt, but Brunt suits Pulis perfectly and without him, our set-pieces are much worse. With Brunt around, you will score from set-pieces (Hegazi on the opening day). Perhaps if Gibbs started, we'd have drew that game 0-0. So, although I think Gibbs is a better player from open-play, I think Brunt is more important to Pulis due to his dead-ball qualities which we rely so heavily on.

Then there's Hegazi, who was excellent yesterday but has also been inconsistent and shaky. I like him, but feel with McAuley and Evans at the back, it's a more solid partnership who know each other better. As individual players I think Hegazi is probably better, but like Brunt I feel that McAuley fits our system better due to partnering so well with Evans.

Next is Rodriguez who is simply not as good as Phillips and although he tries, Phillips is creatively so much better, whilst still being solid at defending. For me it's a no-brainer to replace him with Phillips who transformed us last season.

Finally there's Livermore who signed last January. I think he's very average but woeful in attack. We have a specialist in his position, Yacob who is equally as poor in attack but far better in defense which is badly needed. Like Rodriguez, I don't know how Livermore keeps starting.

The only decent signing who fits the team is Kyrosziak - but all of the others simply do not fit into the Pulis style well enough. I thought last season he bought excellently in the summer and that's why we did so well, as our signings could instantly fit in and improve the team. This season it's like the players a good, but are completely different to what the Pulis style demands.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 22, 2017, 09:11:57 AM
I think although obviously the main thing about us staying in the premier league will be key with the owners i also dont think we should rule out other stuff.

We were the first chinese owned premier league club, a big part of that appeal was to promote us a brand in the far east, of course you have to be in the premier league to do that but when there, as a brand i would imagine there would have to be more.

If our own diehard fans find it hard to watch us, why on earth would others overseas (and here) start watching us and continue watching us?

There is a negative feeling about Albion at the moment which starts on the pitch, spreads to the stands and spreads to the media, as key as being in the premier league is, i dont think our owners and chairman who are looking at a potential gold mine in the far east will ignore the negative vibe.

Personally my guess would be, when Mr Lai came in, he appointed a steady chairman to get to know things, let TP continue stabilising us on the pitch and then the summer just gone, a year into his ownership, look to kick on.

The board backed Pulis very well, they also showed support with the contract extension, as stated before as a fan i felt we were entering new territory and was excited, however the first few months of the season have ruined that.

I would think Mr Williams and Mr Lai will look and think we have spent a lot of money and not only have we not improved, we have actually gone backwards with a lot more expensive players, our style has somehow got worse and our league position is lower than we finished last season with.

I expect us to be bottom three by this time next month and if thats the case i think Pulis days are up, i think the only way a number of fans will turn their support for him is if he tweaks things and we actually start playing football on a regular basis instead of the cowards attempts that we have offered up since end of August, sadly i dont think he can do it and i really wanted him to be able to as i like him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 22, 2017, 09:49:11 AM
Quote from: Albion79 on October 22, 2017, 09:11:57 AM
I think although obviously the main thing about us staying in the premier league will be key with the owners i also dont think we should rule out other stuff.

We were the first chinese owned premier league club, a big part of that appeal was to promote us a brand in the far east, of course you have to be in the premier league to do that but when there, as a brand i would imagine there would have to be more.

If our own diehard fans find it hard to watch us, why on earth would others overseas (and here) start watching us and continue watching us?

There is a negative feeling about Albion at the moment which starts on the pitch, spreads to the stands and spreads to the media, as key as being in the premier league is, i dont think our owners and chairman who are looking at a potential gold mine in the far east will ignore the negative vibe.

Personally my guess would be, when Mr Lai came in, he appointed a steady chairman to get to know things, let TP continue stabilising us on the pitch and then the summer just gone, a year into his ownership, look to kick on.

The board backed Pulis very well, they also showed support with the contract extension, as stated before as a fan i felt we were entering new territory and was excited, however the first few months of the season have ruined that.

I would think Mr Williams and Mr Lai will look and think we have spent a lot of money and not only have we not improved, we have actually gone backwards with a lot more expensive players, our style has somehow got worse and our league position is lower than we finished last season with.

I expect us to be bottom three by this time next month and if thats the case i think Pulis days are up, i think the only way a number of fans will turn their support for him is if he tweaks things and we actually start playing football on a regular basis instead of the cowards attempts that we have offered up since end of August, sadly i dont think he can do it and i really wanted him to be able to as i like him.

Your use of the word cowards is absolutely correct . Last night we didn't even try to win the game . It was totally obvious . My only hope is the cowardice doesn't manifest itself in the boardroom .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on October 22, 2017, 10:04:26 AM
I respect Pulis because he kept us up for two years with dire squads.
Last year, we should have pushed on when we were safe and tried to get as high as we could. We could have been adventurous. Played the kids.  we didn't and We finished with a whimper. this season it's been awful.

Everything is about defending full. we do not try to win. every substitution we do is defensive. Midfield players are out of position Maclean plays on the right, Brunt plays in the middle, Phillips plays on the left - just play players in the correct positions, that would be a start.

I have to say for the first time I've had enough. It is time for Pulis to go. I cannot stand watching this football anymore. I do not look forward to watching the games and TV. I do not look forward to going to home games with my season ticket and have no interest in travelling to away games. my friends who go to 5 to 10 away games every season, just don't want to go anymore.

I admire  Tony for keeping us up because the squad was so poor but now you have a good squad and have no excuses. you cannot say every single week that our opponents are a good team and we were unlucky and we didn't do enough. it's too frequently negative,  it's too repetitive, it's boring, it's negative, it's depressing. I'm not sure I want to watch Albion anymore at the moment.

One touch in their box in the first half? Time wasting in the first half. Going in to the corner with 2 minutes to go at Leicester when we could score from a set piece?

Thank you Tony # Pulis out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 22, 2017, 10:16:19 AM
Quote from: Mo on October 22, 2017, 09:49:11 AM
Your use of the word cowards is absolutely correct . Last night we didn't even try to win the game . It was totally obvious . My only hope is the cowardice doesn't manifest itself in the boardroom .

Its as if the players were not trying last night on purpose... perhaps to send a message......I dont know but to be set up and asked to play like that is criminal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 22, 2017, 10:27:39 AM
Pulis only 7th favourite at 16/1 in the next manager to leave post odds :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 22, 2017, 10:32:32 AM
The squad has seemed very united for a while, i would be very surprised if he's "lost the dressing room." What wouldn't surprise me is if certain players that deserve to be on the pitch are getting frustrated.

Matt Phillips - our biggest threat last season and exactly what we need for counters, he must come in for Livermore.

Yacob - absolutely perfect for the way Pulis sets up, if he persists with a 451 433 then he'd be better placed than Livermore.

Brunt & Nyom - dropped while our defence was doing very well and provides assists from set pieces.

Rodriguez - not dropped but pushed wide, his most effective games have come through the middle, so he should be up top, not necessarily on his own.

He needs to change the system and play our best players or play the players to suit his system. Whatever he's doing now is not working.

Never liked him, never will but he was asked to sort us out and he did that and there is an element of "better the devil you know." If the club chose to move on it'd be unchartered waters and a manager taking over a struggling side, but the quality of the squad should see us doing better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 22, 2017, 10:32:48 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on October 22, 2017, 10:27:39 AM
Pulis only 7th favourite at 16/1 in the next manager to leave post odds :(

Think there could be a few going soon
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 10:35:02 AM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on October 22, 2017, 10:04:26 AM
I respect Pulis because he kept us up for two years with dire squads.
Last year, we should have pushed on when we were safe and tried to get as high as we could. We could have been adventurous. Played the kids.  we didn't and We finished with a whimper. this season it's been awful.

Everything is about defending full. we do not try to win. every substitution we do is defensive. Midfield players are out of position Maclean plays on the right, Brunt plays in the middle, Phillips plays on the left - just play players in the correct positions, that would be a start.

I have to say for the first time I've had enough. It is time for Pulis to go. I cannot stand watching this football anymore. I do not look forward to watching the games and TV. I do not look forward to going to home games with my season ticket and have no interest in travelling to away games. my friends who go to 5 to 10 away games every season, just don't want to go anymore.

I admire  Tony for keeping us up because the squad was so poor but now you have a good squad and have no excuses. you cannot say every single week that our opponents are a good team and we were unlucky and we didn't do enough. it's too frequently negative,  it's too repetitive, it's boring, it's negative, it's depressing. I'm not sure I want to watch Albion anymore at the moment.

One touch in their box in the first half? Time wasting in the first half. Going in to the corner with 2 minutes to go at Leicester when we could score from a set piece?

Thank you Tony # Pulis out


well said my fried, exactly my sentiments
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 10:39:10 AM
whats gut wrenching with this squad of players with someone a tad more proactive I think we could really play some decent stuff. I am missing my trips all over the country but i will now only travel knowing we are trying to win a football match
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 22, 2017, 10:41:04 AM
For me, West Brom is a sense of obligation rather than enjoyment at the moment. I appreciate that the game is so based on staying in the league now but there's entertainment every week, very very rarely does it involve us.

Pulis needs to make a change before doing the same leads to defeats against Man City, Chelsea and Tottenham. His job hinges on the Huddersfield game, win that and he'll be fine for a little while longer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 22, 2017, 10:57:56 AM
I've sobered up.

I've had enough. Yesterday was the final straw.

He came in and did the job that was needed - someone to stabilise the club and keep us up. But we've now moved on and Pulis is incapable of doing that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on October 22, 2017, 11:09:36 AM
I think the fact his poor run is straddling two seasons is currently saving him. However he is running on empty in terms of much more of the same. Last night was woeful. Awful. He has no clue how to play if the team can't be described as 'limited' - for 2.5 years he had the opportunity to say that we over performed. But now he can't. We have an excellent squad (with the exception of another CF) and he hasn't the coaching skills to set them up differently. We're in trouble. He needs to go and we need to bring in somebody who is capable of coaching at this (higher) level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 22, 2017, 11:17:00 AM
We're on page 666, he does seem to be the devil to some.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on October 22, 2017, 11:19:39 AM
I'm not surprised that we're struggling badly as the team selection is all wrong. Without Yacob playing we can't get results. Same under Alan Irvine and it's the same under Pulis. So he's dropped Yacob for Barry and we've conceded lots of goals with attacks through the centre of the pitch or in front of the back four - exactly what Yacob is great at, providing that shield. Then he's dropped Brunt despite the team scoring 50% of our goals from set peices. We've stopped scoring from corners, which is devastating given how hopeless and negative we are from open play. Then for good measure we failed to sign an out and out powerful striker in the summer, which was the one position we were desperately short in as Rondon has been shot since last Xmas.

We have lots of options now in defence and midfield and none up front. Pulis team selection has been hapless -  the more choice he's given the worst the setup gets.

Laughable mind that fans keep referring to best prem squad ever, I would go as far as to say we have the weakest premiership strikforce we have ever had at this level. Not easy to fix though as goalscorers do not want to sign for Pulis, which is sensible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 22, 2017, 11:54:10 AM
Quote from: baggie82 on October 22, 2017, 11:19:39 AM
I'm not surprised that we're struggling badly as the team selection is all wrong. Without Yacob playing we can't get results. Same under Alan Irvine and it's the same under Pulis. So he's dropped Yacob for Barry and we've conceded lots of goals with attacks through the centre of the pitch or in front of the back four - exactly what Yacob is great at, providing that shield. Then he's dropped Brunt despite the team scoring 50% of our goals from set peices. We've stopped scoring from corners, which is devastating given how hopeless and negative we are from open play. Then for good measure we failed to sign an out and out powerful striker in the summer, which was the one position we were desperately short in as Rondon has been shot since last Xmas.

We have lots of options now in defence and midfield and none up front. Pulis team selection has been hapless -  the more choice he's given the worst the setup gets.

Laughable mind that fans keep referring to best prem squad ever, I would go as far as to say we have the weakest premiership strikforce we have ever had at this level. Not easy to fix though as goalscorers do not want to sign for Pulis, which is sensible.
If you want the football to improve then Yacob isn't going to help. Where are the 'lots of goals through the centre of the pitch ?' Barry wasn't on the pitch when yesterday's goal was scored. Barry has played a couple of the best passes to put strikers in by any of our team this season and has generally improved us (I do though wonder if at his age he needs the full 6 or 7 day turn around between games to be at his best). The delivery from corners is obviously not going to be as good without Brunt and Phillips in the team, who are both as good as any in the prem. Think Pulis has trusted Rodriguez to give us more goal threat but J-Rod is obviously lacking confidence and snatching at the very few chances that do come his way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 22, 2017, 12:03:31 PM
The time has come for Albion and Tony to part ways, it's natural progression pulis is the stabilizers that the kid on the bike doesn't need anymore but the parents are too afraid to take them off.
The board should bring him in Monday morning thank him for his services point to his current record for 2017 and relieve him of his duties.  Megson should also go and put big Dave in charge for city match
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 22, 2017, 12:05:30 PM
Pulis has put too much faith in Rodriguez who is not good enough, a Championship player nowadays. We need Brunt back in the team, I'd also put Phillips back in, drop Livermore and put Chadli behind Rondon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on October 22, 2017, 12:06:33 PM
 Comparing the results to the same teams for last season We had 20 points at this stage compared to 10 this season - serious issues considering we have only played 1 top 6 team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: paulosull on October 22, 2017, 12:03:31 PM
The time has come for Albion and Tony to part ways, it's natural progression pulis is the stabilizers that the kid on the bike doesn't need anymore but the parents are too afraid to take them off.
The board should bring him in Monday morning thank him for his services point to his current record for 2017 and relieve him of his duties.  Megson should also go and put big Dave in charge for city match


what a great idea for 1 game , I would camp outside the ground on Friday night. just imagine the relief and the atmosphere


page 667 gawd he must be safe
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 22, 2017, 12:14:41 PM
I also think the sort of managers we'd go for after Pulis will be an  "experienced PL manager" such as Moyes and Big Sam. I don't think we as a club will go for a different type of manager, we play it safe. Unless we go on a really bad run of form where we can't buy a win then I expect Pulis to be here until the length of his contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 22, 2017, 12:15:58 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 12:14:41 PM
I also think the sort of managers we'd go for after Pulis will be an  "experienced PL manager" such as Moyes and Big Sam. I don't think we as a club will go for a different type of manager, we play it safe. Unless we go on a really bad run of form where we can't buy a win then I expect Pulis to be here until the length of his contract.
Moyes isn't playing it safe though...damaged goods
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 12:16:53 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 12:14:41 PM
I also think the sort of managers we'd go for after Pulis will be an  "experienced PL manager" such as Moyes and Big Sam. I don't think we as a club will go for a different type of manager, we play it safe.

That is my concern. As I have said before, the time to have done it was in May to give the manager we had scouted thoroughly whilst we had the safety of Premier League survival a full summer to instill his beliefs and sign his players. I do hate my club at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 12:18:18 PM
Quote from: Adamstv on October 22, 2017, 12:06:33 PM
Comparing the results to the same teams for last season We had 20 points at this stage compared to 10 this season - serious issues considering we have only played 1 top 6 team.



when its put as simple as that then he needs to be sacked in the morning.

and no to Moyes either another pulis and more boring to listen too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 22, 2017, 01:18:37 PM
Apparently Pulis 'ruse missed chances' from yesterday's match.

WHAT chances?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 22, 2017, 01:42:27 PM
I think we're more likely to offer him another new contract than sack him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on October 22, 2017, 01:18:37 PM
Apparently Pulis 'ruse missed chances' from yesterday's match.

WHAT chances?


What, did he honestly say that :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 22, 2017, 01:49:07 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 01:45:12 PM

What, did he honestly say that :o

"They've got some really good players, we've worked really aard and put a shift in. This is a really tough league and we're working really aard to stay competitive. We lacked quality in the final third and I have no idea why as I play 4 CB's most weeks and 3 DM's with them but they all work really aard. Bus driver doesn't go above 20mph on the way home as I like to be cautious but he works really aard and puts a shift in every week and he's a cracking lad. Maybe if we're home in time we'll train next week but I still refuse to open the ball cupboard as we don't need them, just want my lads to work aard and run around the pitch chasing shadows. All about training how you play remember. " Tony's real interview
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 22, 2017, 02:10:57 PM
First mention of discontent in dressing room pulisball might be ready for dustbin in coming weeks, lose the players then time surely up for Tony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 22, 2017, 02:18:43 PM
I still back us to finish top 10. We have as many points as we did this time last season, correct me if I'm wrong. We have a better squad this season, we just need a bit of luck and to be more clinical infront of goal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 02:18:43 PM
I still back us to finish top 10. We have as many points as we did this time last season, correct me if I'm wrong. We have a better squad this season, we just need a bit of luck and to be more clinical infront of goal.

I don't understand your point about luck. Where have we been unlucky?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 22, 2017, 02:23:09 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 01:45:12 PM

What, did he honestly say that :o

Ha, well, I spelt 'rues' wrong in my haste and anger, but that's what it says on the wba site. I couldn't bring myself to read it Devon!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 22, 2017, 02:42:51 PM
Just thinking that in the starting 11 this week the only people left from the pre Pulis era were Foster/Myhill and Dawson. Several of the others in the team have played for bigger clubs so I guess they are used to different styles and are more likely to question the tactics/formation they are being asked to play.
Our familiar core with more long standing players (Brunt, Morrison, McCauley, Yacob, Olsson ), more used to scrapping it out for points, is breaking down which has to happen eventually.
Think it's an inevitable stage if we are trying to buy better players and progress.....and it's not unique to this club, but it raises issues for an old school manager like Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on October 22, 2017, 02:49:09 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 02:18:43 PM
I still back us to finish top 10. We have as many points as we did this time last season, correct me if I'm wrong. We have a better squad this season, we just need a bit of luck and to be more clinical infront of goal.

Tell me one game were we've been unlucky since when we played Bournemouth in February last season?

21 games 3 wins 14 goals 30 goals conceded

I've been going up since 93 and this could be the worst football I've ever seen up the Albion. It's not even football, it's stick all your men behind the ball and if you win it back lump it up field. That isn't football.

Our defence is terrible. We don't keep clean sheets any more so this that tactic doesn't work.

Pulis has to go. Get a coach in that can coach these players because pulis hasn't a clue.

If we go down with someone else then so be it I'd rather that then watch anymore f this rubbish
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 22, 2017, 02:59:02 PM
We haven't been unlucky.

No ridiculous penalties given against us, no costly red cards, no crazy deflected goals, no string of important injuries. Just nothing.

Actually the only material luck element I can think of is a positive one, by catching teams like Bournemouth, Leicester and Southampton at a time they were clearly struggling.

The games this season we have lost been outplayed comprehensively time and time again.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 22, 2017, 02:59:11 PM
After having sometime to soak last night up I can't see any coming back now for Pulis , he's had the tools he wanted and the footballs got worse in all honesty.
A short term fire fighter who did hell of a job after Irvine but is slowly taking us backwards , suspect he'll get a few more games yet though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
Really want a response about the luck, Legend. You come out with some utter nonsense the majority of the time, I used to assume it was just you trying to get a reaction which is why I'd never rise to it, but you actually genuinely believe it much as you try to claim you don't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 22, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
Really want a response about the luck, Legend. You come out with some utter nonsense the majority of the time, I used to assume it was just you trying to get a reaction which is why I'd never rise to it, but you actually genuinely believe it much as you try to claim you don't.
Only two I can think of are the penalty at Arsenal and I thought Rondon was fouled before the goal last night.
Clutching at straws blaming luck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 22, 2017, 03:24:31 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 02:20:57 PM
I don't understand your point about luck. Where have we been unlucky?

He seems delusional in his support of Pulis and among a dwindling number now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 22, 2017, 03:26:24 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on October 22, 2017, 02:23:09 PM
Ha, well, I spelt 'rues' wrong in my haste and anger, but that's what it says on the wba site. I couldn't bring myself to read it Devon!
Come come now! We had one you must have blinked or something!  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brummyroader on October 22, 2017, 03:34:34 PM
Pulis doesn’t win games when the opposition plays well, can’t think of one game under him we have won when the opposition played well.

And I was a supporter of his until yesterday, but a bad defeat next week and no win at Huddersfield the 2% I’ve still got of backing will go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on October 22, 2017, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: Dexy on October 22, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
Only two I can think of are the penalty at Arsenal and I thought Rondon was fouled before the goal last night.
Clutching at straws blaming luck.

The penalty was unlucky I forgot about that one but you know you ain't going to get decisions away from home at the top 6. Plus our 2nd half performance was terrible

Last night I wouldn't count that one, we deserved to lose solely on the way we set up. Against a team outside  the big 6
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on October 22, 2017, 03:47:10 PM
If you look further than the next 4 fixtures though there are games against Huddersfield (in the next 2) and then after the tough run we have we have Newcastle and Palace at home followed by Swansea away. I think we'd go into the tough Christmas spell with 18 from 18. Probably enough to keep him in a job but then the Christmas run going into the transfer window could define his time.

He genuinely picks up an expected win when he's up against it.

I'd love to see a new, less defensive coach come in but after sleeping on it and analysing the fixtures he'll probably pull something out the bag.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Raymond John on October 22, 2017, 03:51:05 PM
Re Argo

I think this is an excellent analysis of the principal reason for the failure this season of the Pulis approach.   It raises of course the question as to why certain “non-Pulis type” players were brought in in the summer and why, despite the failure to reproduce past results – the only redeeming feature of the Pulis approach -  they continue to be selected injuries not withstanding.

I certainly have no inside information but I suspect pressure was applied to Mr Pulis regarding the style of play his approach entails and hence the purchase, reluctantly or otherwise on the part of Mr. Pulis, of players whose natural game lends its self towards a more  expansive style of play.

Unfortunately for those who pushed for a style change, Mr. Pulis, for whatever reason, obviously has not bought into it and so we now have the worst of two worlds; an unattractive style of play and a number of players, either by inclination or ability, unsuited to that style.   Additionally a number of the established players relatively comfortable in the Pulis approach, are that bit older (or in the case of Darren Fletcher have departed), and can no longer be relied upon to perform as they have done so in the past so bringing them back may not necessarily restore the better results achieved in the past.

All this smacks of a classic failure of management at the highest operating level and that means boardroom level so I don't think our problems can solely  be placed at the door of Mr. Pulis however much I personally abhor his approach.   

It seems to me we can ditch the “non-Pulis” type player and hope restoration of the “old guard” does indeed get us back on track for another season of (mind numbing)  Premiership survival or we dispense with Mr Pulis's services and find a manager/coach capable of providing the more attractive football many of us long for but in doing so does not seriously jeopardise our Premiership status.
The latter is a tall order and sadly I have seen nothing in the history of our chairman to suggest he  has the imagination let alone the ability to think beyond the run of the mill tried and test ie failed, British manager.    I am afraid if there is to be a replacement of Mr. Pulis the chances of it being a Pochettino or Silva are virtually non-existent.

Whatever we do there are serious risks but it was only a matter of time before the poor, often short-term, management decision making which has been at the heart of the club for some years, finally catches up with us.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: colinmax on October 22, 2017, 03:52:12 PM
Football is a matter of opinion with people liking Pullis or think he should go.
I would say most people on this forum would think the latter.
If this is so why is it that at every match it is chants such as There is only one Tony Pullis or Tony Tony give us a wave?
It would be better if the chants were What a load of rubbish,We want football or Attack,Attack,Attack.
At least this might deflate his ego and make him realise he is not as good as he thinks he is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 02:18:43 PM
I still back us to finish top 10. We have as many points as we did this time last season, correct me if I'm wrong. We have a better squad this season, we just need a bit of luck and to be more clinical infront of goal.


I cant remember but someone highlighted we had 20 points at this stage last season.so where were we at this stage last season folks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 22, 2017, 03:58:28 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
Really want a response about the luck, Legend. You come out with some utter nonsense the majority of the time, I used to assume it was just you trying to get a reaction which is why I'd never rise to it, but you actually genuinely believe it much as you try to claim you don't.

I love that I'm in your head...

We were in control of the Stoke game before a terrible unlucky mistake by Hegazi, Stoke never looked like scoring.
The ref robbed us against Arsenal and took the game out of our control.
Conceding a 94th min goal against Watford which never happens 9 out of 10 times. Unlucky.
A foul before Southampton's goal which was also a rare bit of quality from them, Rodriguez should have put us in the lead before that too.

We could easily be 6 points better off IMO which would have us in the top 4.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 22, 2017, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 03:58:28 PM
We were in control of the Stoke game before a terrible unlucky mistake by Hegazi, Stoke never looked like scoring.
The ref robbed us against Arsenal and took the game out of our control.
Conceding a 94th min goal against Watford which never happens 9 out of 10 times. Unlucky.
A foul before Southampton's goal which was also a rare bit of quality from them, Rodriguez should have put us in the lead before that too.

We could easily be 6 points better off IMO which would have us in the top 4.

Yes those particular incidents you could have a debate about luck.

What about team selection? What about tactics? What about a lack of attacking intent? What about not playing players in their prefered position? What about dropping players seemingly for no reason (philips).

There is an enormous pile of rubbish you have to be blind to if your going to single out just a few "unlucky" moments.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 22, 2017, 04:10:15 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 03:58:28 PM
I love that I'm in your head...

We were in control of the Stoke game before a terrible unlucky mistake by Hegazi, Stoke never looked like scoring.
The ref robbed us against Arsenal and took the game out of our control.
Conceding a 94th min goal against Watford which never happens 9 out of 10 times. Unlucky.
A foul before Southampton's goal which was also a rare bit of quality from them, Rodriguez should have put us in the lead before that too.

We could easily be 6 points better off IMO which would have us in the top 4.
More ammunition.....Don't forget that the Watford goal was also a push on Hegazi by Richarlison.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on October 22, 2017, 04:12:10 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 03:58:28 PM
I love that I'm in your head...

We were in control of the Stoke game before a terrible unlucky mistake by Hegazi, Stoke never looked like scoring.
The ref robbed us against Arsenal and took the game out of our control.
Conceding a 94th min goal against Watford which never happens 9 out of 10 times. Unlucky.
A foul before Southampton's goal which was also a rare bit of quality from them, Rodriguez should have put us in the lead before that too.

We could easily be 6 points better off IMO which would have us in the top 4.

It really makes no sense to me whatsoever how you and others on this forum are so blind and always finding excuses. We are beyond awful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on October 22, 2017, 04:13:43 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 03:58:28 PM
I love that I'm in your head...

We were in control of the Stoke game before a terrible unlucky mistake by Hegazi, Stoke never looked like scoring.
The ref robbed us against Arsenal and took the game out of our control.
Conceding a 94th min goal against Watford which never happens 9 out of 10 times. Unlucky.
A foul before Southampton's goal which was also a rare bit of quality from them, Rodriguez should have put us in the lead before that too.

We could easily be 6 points better off IMO which would have us in the top 4.

Stoke game fair enough it was a mistake and I agree stoke never looked like scoring

The penalty against arsenal was a penalty, we could have missed it and our 2nd half performance was awfull that has nothing to do with luck

The Watford game we conceded a two goal lead that's not unlucky that's bad play and bad management. We sat back as soon as we got the 2nd and Watford we're by far the better side. They more then deserved a point

Yesterday we didn't deserve anything, we deserved what we got nothing unlucky about that

What about the last 3rd of last season? This run isn't nothing new it's been happening since February
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 03:58:28 PM
I love that I'm in your head...

We were in control of the Stoke game before a terrible unlucky mistake by Hegazi, Stoke never looked like scoring.
The ref robbed us against Arsenal and took the game out of our control.
Conceding a 94th min goal against Watford which never happens 9 out of 10 times. Unlucky.
A foul before Southampton's goal which was also a rare bit of quality from them, Rodriguez should have put us in the lead before that too.

We could easily be 6 points better off IMO which would have us in the top 4.

Only the Arsenal goal in all of that has anything to do with luck. Hegazi cocking up against Stoke is his error, Watford scoring from a free was stupidity from McClean and poor defending and there were 7 players between Boufal and the goal, it’s awful defending not luck, whether it was a free kick is debatable.

Not particularly in my head, you just need calling out on your nonsense every once in a while, but then again the fact you rated Irvine should be sufficient for none of your posts to be taken seriously
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Andio on October 22, 2017, 04:53:16 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 03:57:17 PM

I cant remember but someone highlighted we had 20 points at this stage last season.so where were we at this stage last season folks

Sure I read a stat before yesterday's game that we had the same number of points the same stage last season. So 10 not 20.

Still Pulis out though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 22, 2017, 04:56:38 PM
you make your own luck. over a season it levels itself out its called the law of averages. its desperate and naïve to blame where we are on bad luck. ie if Southampton were lucky yesterday they could have been 4 up at half time. when does one define bad luck to player errors?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 22, 2017, 05:01:45 PM
Quote from: wbarenno on October 22, 2017, 04:13:43 PM
Stoke game fair enough it was a mistake and I agree stoke never looked like scoring

The penalty against arsenal was a penalty, we could have missed it and our 2nd half performance was awfull that has nothing to do with luck

The Watford game we conceded a two goal lead that's not unlucky that's bad play and bad management. We sat back as soon as we got the 2nd and Watford we're by far the better side. They more then deserved a point

Yesterday we didn't deserve anything, we deserved what we got nothing unlucky about that

What about the last 3rd of last season? This run isn't nothing new it's been happening since February
didn't stoke miss an absolute sitter when it was 0-0?
its not bad luck when we have a corner in the 90thm  against Watford but couldn't keep the ball for more than 2 passes that then let Watford break, win a free kick and score.
like you say we deserved nothing yesterday.
bad luck my backside.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on October 22, 2017, 05:38:58 PM
From day one I said wtf is this idiot doing at West Brom he is an embarrassment, and he has created his non football style, players or what he has turned them into dont know what is going on other than 2 banks in front of our goal.

We have reaped what we the Royal we have sown, 157 mile to Southampton to watch that performance, and most fans in a mental break down sat in their seats, head in hands.

Four of the players came as close to the centre circle and applauded us, the rest went down the tunnel like rats on a sinking ship.

We are now a laughing stock and anyone who see's positives must like the Premiership tag more than the game of football.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 22, 2017, 06:05:28 PM
The games he has won during his tenure normally have coincided when the opposition have been poor and we have had huge luck.

We shouldn't have to rely on luck and an opposition no show. I don't know how anybody can still defend him. I hope somebody is drawing up a list of his potential replacements
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on October 22, 2017, 06:31:05 PM
If you create more chances, you increase the possibility of that little bit of luck happening.
Pulis goes on about missing a single chance. Every team misses chances. If you create 10 chances, then you increase your chances of scoring. This team is set up to create maybe 3 or 4 good chances maximum.
If you set up for 0-0, a large number of times its going to be 0-1. Only needs one mistake. Once the team goes behind, they are just not set up to get level again.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Westie on October 22, 2017, 06:44:24 PM
It is awful stuff to watch, entertainment it is not. I just don’t want to be bored out of my mind watching awful football. I have better things to do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 22, 2017, 06:47:45 PM
Out of interest why does yesterdays performance seem to have sparked such anger and another batch of people who were seemingly pro Pulis now wanting him gone?

Yesterday was what we get to watch 9 weeks out of 10 since the day he joined us. Why was yesterday a tipping point for anyone who has changed views?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 22, 2017, 06:48:51 PM
We all know what will happen though - it happens every time

We'll go Huddersfield and pick up a result, scrape a 0-0 from somewhere else and he'll relieve any pressure that might have been building on him by the board

I cannot see a scenario where he goes unfortunately
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on October 22, 2017, 07:05:10 PM
Liam I think your wrong this time I think Citeh will spank us really hard, weve got away with 3/4'sin recent seasons and Hudderfield will beat us with the same enthusiasm that Brighton displayed.
Will he go not on your life. Mr Williams time to grow some   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on October 22, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Quote from: wba_1996 on February 20, 2016, 04:58:18 PM
He makes me hate my own club. I think that says it all.

Nice to see nothing has changed in a year and a half.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 22, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
Now don't know how true but hearing that  Talksport have said sum breaking news at the hawthorns! at 8.pm. Could be bull.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 08:01:36 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on October 22, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
Now don't know how true but hearing that  Talksport have said sum breaking news at the hawthorns! at 8.pm. Could be bull.

New 5 year contract for him probably  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on October 22, 2017, 08:04:13 PM
I'd be surprised if anything happens this quickly. Feels a bit out of character.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 22, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on October 22, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
Now don't know how true but hearing that  Talksport have said sum breaking news at the hawthorns! at 8.pm. Could be bull.
West ham not west brom breaking news!stan collymore has said it on purpose as he wanted to wind baggie fans up!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 22, 2017, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on October 22, 2017, 06:47:45 PM
Out of interest why does yesterdays performance seem to have sparked such anger and another batch of people who were seemingly pro Pulis now wanting him gone?

Yesterday was what we get to watch 9 weeks out of 10 since the day he joined us. Why was yesterday a tipping point for anyone who has changed views?

The reality is most of the time our away performances as dire as they are go largely unnoticed because apart from a few minutes on MOTD they are only witnessed  by the rapidly declining away following. Unfortunately for Pulis the last two were screened to a national audience inside a week and the cumulative impact seems to have tipped the fan base over the edge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SC_Baggie on October 22, 2017, 08:10:16 PM
This is a bizarre situation. Ca anyone ever think of an example in history of any other club where supporters turn against a manager because of playing style or attitude despite him brining them better results?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SC_Baggie on October 22, 2017, 08:12:52 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 03:57:17 PM

I cant remember but someone highlighted we had 20 points at this stage last season.so where were we at this stage last season folks

but things went sour later in the year. What if this year is opposite and we have a more crackling end to the year?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on October 22, 2017, 08:19:50 PM
Quote from: SC_Baggie on October 22, 2017, 08:10:16 PM
This is a bizarre situation. Ca anyone ever think of an example in history of any other club where supporters turn against a manager because of playing style or attitude despite him brining them better results?

Is he bringing results now though? If you look at the fixtures we've played we should have a lot more points then what we have. We've only played one of the big 6. We've got the big 6 coming all in the space of 2 months. We're 2 points off the bottom 3. Bad results against the big 6 and we will be in the bottom 3 come xmas time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 22, 2017, 08:23:53 PM
Quote from: SC_Baggie on October 22, 2017, 08:10:16 PM
This is a bizarre situation. Ca anyone ever think of an example in history of any other club where supporters turn against a manager because of playing style or attitude despite him brining them better results?
What better results!! Another wind up merchant on the boards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 22, 2017, 08:26:47 PM
Quote from: albion59 on October 22, 2017, 08:23:53 PM
What better results!! Another wind up merchant on the boards.
There all over the place, Forums, Facebook and Twitter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 22, 2017, 08:29:44 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on October 22, 2017, 06:47:45 PM
Out of interest why does yesterdays performance seem to have sparked such anger and another batch of people who were seemingly pro Pulis now wanting him gone?

Yesterday was what we get to watch 9 weeks out of 10 since the day he joined us. Why was yesterday a tipping point for anyone who has changed views?
I don't go to away games.... apart from Swansea...but watch the games shown live and the 30 min Sky highlights.... I think it's the combination of 3 across the middle (not necessarily a bad thing) AND the wide 'attacking' players playing VERY deep against a team not setup to play with width. If you play 3 genuine CMs across the middle that should offer the back 4 including fullbacks some protection and allow the attacking wide players a bit more freedom. The wide players seemed much deeper yesterday than they did against Leicester....they could have pushed up and kept Cedric and Bertrand a bit busier.
TP at an early stage was making the 'push up' noises...so not sure what was happening. Krychoviak was the most forward of the middle three but when he was in possession you could see he was desperately looking around for someone to pass to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 22, 2017, 09:04:40 PM
Next 5 Games

Man City H
Huddersfield A
Chelsea H
Spurs A
Newcastle H

Some very tough games although I think we can pull off two or three wins to set us on our way. I think Pulis will look at those games and relish the challenge of upsetting the odds.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 22, 2017, 09:12:11 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 09:04:40 PM
Next 5 Games

Man City H
Huddersfield A
Chelsea H
Spurs A
Newcastle H

Some very tough games although I think we can pull off two or three wins to set us on our way. I think Pulis will look at those games and relish the challenge of upsetting the odds.
Delusional that's all I can say without getting thrown off the forum
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 22, 2017, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on October 22, 2017, 08:26:47 PM
There all over the place, Forums, Facebook and Twitter.
Thankfully I'm not on any of those!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2017, 09:16:36 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 09:04:40 PM
Next 5 Games

Man City H
Huddersfield A
Chelsea H
Spurs A
Newcastle H

Some very tough games although I think we can pull off two or three wins to set us on our way. I think Pulis will look at those games and relish the challenge of upsetting the odds.


4 points will keep him in a job. 5 or 6 will take considering his position out of the equation for a couple more months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 09:27:03 PM
a spanking next week and not beating huddersfield hes toast
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 22, 2017, 09:28:51 PM
Given we don't know what the season expectations are, I will guess given the money spent in the summer window mid table was what the owners want.

So as long as the number in front of WBA position isn't an 18,19 or 20 I don't think he will get sacked until towards the end of the year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: yorkshire baggie on October 22, 2017, 09:40:34 PM
I wish!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 22, 2017, 09:47:57 PM
in a months time we could need a manager to get us out the relegation zone and keep us up. step up TP :o
how ironic that the position he's put us in that we need the one thing he's good at which is getting clubs out of trouble.
I could just about stomach him for another 7 months if it guaranteed our safety and was sacked as soon as the season ends.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 22, 2017, 10:02:01 PM
Like many I have reached my tipping point with Pulis. It's time for him and his backroom staff to go.
Yesterday was pathetic. I'm sick and tired of watching us not turn up and give sides a game, especially sides like Leicester, Watford, West Ham and Soton who we are supposed to be similar to.

 Before anyone says it I am well aware that we drew with West Ham, Watford and Leicester but we played pathetically in all 3 games. We should have been able to win the Watford game and also the Leicester game but our inability to defend properly in the last 10 minutes has cost us dearly and it was the same at the end of last season against Burnley and Swansea.

We have got a better squad of players than last season but the football has got worse and we are the only side in the league without a win in the last 6 games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 22, 2017, 10:16:10 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 22, 2017, 10:02:01 PM
Like many I have reached my tipping point with Pulis. It's time for him and his backroom staff to go.
Yesterday was pathetic. I'm sick and tired of watching us not turn up and give sides a game, especially sides like Leicester, Watford, West Ham and Soton who we are supposed to be similar to.

 Before anyone says it I am well aware that we drew with West Ham, Watford and Leicester but we played pathetically in all 3 games. We should have been able to win the Watford game and also the Leicester game but our inability to defend properly in the last 10 minutes has cost us dearly and it was the same at the end of last season against Burnley and Swansea.

We have got a better squad of players than last season but the football has got worse and we are the only side in the league without a win in the last 6 games.

Exactly the point I make to mates;

He sets us up to not lose, no conceded and protect points; this season we simply haven't done that.

Shipping goals, not protecting leads/draws and absolutely no bravery whatsoever
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 22, 2017, 10:30:13 PM
Pulis has identified the need to be better going forward and the lack of goals, now we must have a plan to rectify this. I think the bloke worked miracles when he first come in so deserves a bit of time and patience.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 22, 2017, 10:32:06 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 10:30:13 PM
Pulis has identified the need to be better going forward and the lack of goals, now we must have a plan to rectify this. I think the bloke worked miracles when he first come in so deserves a bit of time and patience.
No he don't, Pulis out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on October 22, 2017, 10:35:41 PM
Even thought I like TP I feel pretty confident this is his last season with us. I hope he makes it through the year because that means we will have a relatively decent season but I think both parties will want a split to freshen things up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 22, 2017, 10:36:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uLUuQaBkXcs (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uLUuQaBkXcs)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 10:40:24 PM
Quote from: albion59 on October 22, 2017, 10:32:06 PM
No he don't, Pulis out


I second that, taxi for pulis, he hasn't got a plan b remember. he's league one and served his purpose with us like he had with stoke.

hes getting battered on social media so he wont last much longer unless he beats man city
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 22, 2017, 10:42:38 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 22, 2017, 10:36:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uLUuQaBkXcs (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uLUuQaBkXcs)
Says it all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 22, 2017, 10:43:26 PM
He’s got to go, his time is up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 22, 2017, 10:47:16 PM
We're 13th in the league in October. He's going nowhere anytime soon. The best thing we can do is give TP and the players all our support for the tricky period ahead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 10:48:37 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 10:47:16 PM
We're 13th in the league in October. He's going nowhere anytime soon. The best thing we can do is give TP and the players all our support for the tricky period ahead.


bet you a tenner hes gone within the next 2 games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 22, 2017, 10:50:08 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 10:48:37 PM

bet you a tenner hes gone within the next 2 games

I would bet a bag of sand that he's here until the end of the season at least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on October 22, 2017, 10:51:30 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 10:47:16 PM
We're 13th in the league in October. He's going nowhere anytime soon. The best thing we can do is give TP and the players all our support for the tricky period ahead.

One more defeat we could be in the bottom 3. What is it, 2 league wins since March? That's diabolical.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 10:52:19 PM
Don’t give him the satisfaction of arguing with him or acknowledging him, it’s completely pointless
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 10:53:07 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 10:50:08 PM
I would bet a bag of sand that he's here until the end of the season at least.


ha ha ha never in a million years, it will be a Blackburn situation with what was his name steve
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 22, 2017, 10:53:21 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vZmvDhFSU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vZmvDhFSU)

If you rewind 10years, swap the badge, this is what you get.

All sounds so familiar doesn't it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 10:56:14 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 22, 2017, 10:53:21 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vZmvDhFSU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vZmvDhFSU)

If you rewind 10years, swap the badge, this is what you get.

All sounds so familiar doesn't it.


that's so funny . worked arrrd lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 22, 2017, 10:57:37 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 22, 2017, 10:53:21 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vZmvDhFSU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vZmvDhFSU)

If you rewind 10years, swap the badge, this is what you get.

All sounds so familiar doesn't it.

And now Stoke are in the relegation zone and their fans want Hughes out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 10:57:37 PM
And now Stoke are in the relegation zone and their fans want Hughes out.

they wouldn't want pulis back though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2017, 11:01:33 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2017, 10:59:09 PM
they wouldn't want pulis back though


I wouldn't be so sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 22, 2017, 11:06:16 PM
sorted, stoke can have him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 23, 2017, 12:06:32 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 22, 2017, 11:06:16 PM
sorted, stoke can have him


No he's ours. Like it or not a change isn't remotely imminent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 23, 2017, 12:29:57 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 22, 2017, 10:52:19 PM
Don’t give him the satisfaction of arguing with him or acknowledging him, it’s completely pointless

Agree, just ignore his inane comments as he wants a reaction!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on October 23, 2017, 01:07:38 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 22, 2017, 10:53:21 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vZmvDhFSU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vZmvDhFSU)

If you rewind 10years, swap the badge, this is what you get.

All sounds so familiar doesn't it.

Thank you for that link!

Never posted on this thread before as far as I can remember but all I will say for now is Pulis must be the unluckiest manager in the country. Clearly none of his teams ever get the 'breaks' they need
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 23, 2017, 06:36:05 AM
Pulis is still the man for me though he needs to take some criticism and rightly so, for whatever reason his strategy isn't working this season like it did last.
The style is grating but as long as it gets results i dont mind, think is we aren't getting the results now and i expect some changes to be made ala last year when he changed it up october/novemember time and we blossomed

All of the blame isn't resting on him though, some pure shockers from the defence this season. Dunno whats happened, we just switch off and it costs it every game it seems currently.

As pants as fletcher was, could we be missing his organisational skills?


Not one to knee jerk but it needs to change soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on October 23, 2017, 06:40:57 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 22, 2017, 10:53:21 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vZmvDhFSU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vZmvDhFSU)

If you rewind 10years, swap the badge, this is what you get.

All sounds so familiar doesn't it.

word for word almost  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 23, 2017, 07:04:07 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 23, 2017, 06:36:05 AM
Pulis is still the man for me though he needs to take some criticism and rightly so, for whatever reason his strategy isn't working this season like it did last.
The style is grating but as long as it gets results i dont mind, think is we aren't getting the results now and i expect some changes to be made ala last year when he changed it up october/novemember time and we blossomed

All of the blame isn't resting on him though, some pure shockers from the defence this season. Dunno whats happened, we just switch off and it costs it every game it seems currently.

As pants as fletcher was, could we be missing his organisational skills?


Not one to knee jerk but it needs to change soon.

No nothing has changed. We played exactly the same during the great purple patch of last year. All that happened then was that the conversion rates peaked we scored more goals than we should from our low number of shots and our opponents scored fewer than they should from their generally high number of shots.

Looking back at last season's game at St Marys we had 32% possession we had 34% this. Last year we had 7 attempts on goal this year we had 7. Last year we happened to score with both our attempts that were on target this year we failed to score with exactly the same number of shots on target.  Last year our Centre Forward had 4 touches of the ball in the Southampton box and more in our own box but he scored this year the same but he "failed" to conjure up a goal.

In short don't look at players don't blame refs don't look for breaks look at the Head Coach and the way he plays football and this is the outcome you should expect.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 23, 2017, 07:08:31 AM
Quote from: Standaman on October 23, 2017, 07:04:07 AM
No nothing has changed. We played exactly the same during the great purple patch of last year. All that happened then was that the conversion rates peaked we scored more goals than we should from our low number of shots and our opponents scored fewer than they should from their generally high number of shots.

Looking back at last season's game at St Marys we had 32% possession we had 34% this. Last year we had 7 attempts on goal this year we had 7. Last year we happened to score with both our attempts that were on target this year we failed to score with exactly the same number of shots on target.  Last year our Centre Forward had 4 touches of the ball in the Southampton box and more in our own box but he scored this year the same but he "failed" to conjure up a goal.

In short don't look at players don't blame refs don't look for breaks look at the Head Coach and the way he plays football and this is the outcome you should expect.

Totally agreed. Last year's purple patch heavily relied on a stunningly inform Matty Phillips.

He gave us the pace to break quickly, but without him in any kind of decent form we simply don't have that luxury. For as good as he is, Chadli doesn't breakaway like Phillips does.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 23, 2017, 07:29:23 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 23, 2017, 06:36:05 AM
Pulis is still the man for me though he needs to take some criticism and rightly so, for whatever reason his strategy isn't working this season like it did last.
The style is grating but as long as it gets results i dont mind, think is we aren't getting the results now and i expect some changes to be made ala last year when he changed it up october/novemember time and we blossomed

All of the blame isn't resting on him though, some pure shockers from the defence this season. Dunno whats happened, we just switch off and it costs it every game it seems currently.

As pants as fletcher was, could we be missing his organisational skills?


Not one to knee jerk but it needs to change soon.

we are on the same amount of points after the same amount of games as last year.... some of us have been saying it needs to change since then.

Wake up and smell the coffee, he's a clueless coach who is rapidly losing the fans and runoured to be losing the dressing room.

We can't score goals, we can't keep possession, we can't string 2 passes together and we can't defend.... what is he actually doing for us? because we ain't getting the results and definately ain't playing anything near half decent football.

Don't be suprised if he's gone before Christmas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 23, 2017, 07:59:13 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 23, 2017, 06:36:05 AM
Pulis is still the man for me though he needs to take some criticism and rightly so, for whatever reason his strategy isn't working this season like it did last.
The style is grating but as long as it gets results i dont mind, think is we aren't getting the results now and i expect some changes to be made ala last year when he changed it up october/novemember time and we blossomed

All of the blame isn't resting on him though, some pure shockers from the defence this season. Dunno whats happened, we just switch off and it costs it every game it seems currently.

As pants as fletcher was, could we be missing his organisational skills?


Not one to knee jerk but it needs to change soon.

I used to be pro TP, but not any more. Saturday was complete garbage and its not the first time........there is absolutely no excuse for the tactics and set up against such a mediocre team.

And as for Fletcher, have you seen him organising goals against Stoke recently? No thank you

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 23, 2017, 08:53:58 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 22, 2017, 10:57:37 PM
And now Stoke are in the relegation zone and their fans want Hughes out.

So we shouldn't change our poor manager because a team he used to manage are doing poorly under a different poor manager? Guess what? Pulis isn't the only poor manager, but there are also managers out there who could get this squad of players playing a more enjoyable, positive style of football with the intention of trying to win games.

Both yourself and Jacko are right in that he won't be gone anytime soon, he certainly won't be gone this side of Christmas but if we drop into the bottom 3 by the end of November and are still there come January I would hope that he and the backroom staff are sacked.

I'll still be going week in week out to watch and I'll get behind the team.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 23, 2017, 09:13:22 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 23, 2017, 07:08:31 AM
Totally agreed. Last year's purple patch heavily relied on a stunningly inform Matty Phillips.

He gave us the pace to break quickly, but without him in any kind of decent form we simply don't have that luxury. For as good as he is, Chadli doesn't breakaway like Phillips does.


Totally agree last years so called purple patch was down to form of one or two now that he has trained football out of them since etc etc, anyway was the football really that good. i enjoyed 1 game, 1 game and that was against stoke at home which was probably down to the atmosphere.
as for some saying he aint going nowhere after the next 4 games i am sure you will have had change of heart.
hes gorra gew
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 23, 2017, 10:02:47 AM
He hits the nail on the head in that youtube clip from his Stoke days when he says "We aren't doing anything different"
That's the problem, he still isn't doing anything different, never has, never will. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't but, what it never does is change!
His "philosophy" never deviates, regardless of personnel, money, fan's opinion, media opinion or any other opinion for that matter.
For someone with such a cowardly attitude, he's frickin stubborn!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 23, 2017, 10:10:56 AM
We had what most would agree was a friendly fixture list for the start of the season, we simply haven't taken enough points from those games so it is going to be a real struggle this season now. This is the first time I can actually see the board start to get twitchy as our form is absolutely pathetic and if that continues the club is only going to go down and we all know we can't afford that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 23, 2017, 10:40:54 AM
Quote from: SC_Baggie on October 22, 2017, 08:10:16 PM
This is a bizarre situation. Ca anyone ever think of an example in history of any other club where supporters turn against a manager because of playing style or attitude despite him brining them better results?

Only one that I can remember

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/21/tony-pulis-sacking-stoke

Statistics have not really been Pulis's friend, with recent Opta figures highlighting the fact that the team complete fewer passes than almost any other Premier League side while invariably unleashing a higher percentage of long balls. They regularly record the fewest shots on target of any top division team.

An attendant dependence on securing points from set-pieces rather than open play contrasted unfavourably with the much more fluid, inventive football practised by lower-budget teams such as Swansea City, West Bromwich Albion, and Norwich City.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tony-pulis-sacking-stopped-stoke-city-players-walking-out-8846627.html

Under that "old regime" – he does not mention Pulis's name once – Jones felt: "It was more or less kick-and-hope. I think team-mates could testify it was very hard to come by chances. If you looked at Stoke's record for chances created in a game, goals scored and shots on goal, it was probably the lowest and that's because we weren't playing the type of football to create chances. We were just basically playing percentages.

"Now it's a good time because as a squad we're able to express ourselves and be free. We're able to try things as footballers. We're not restricted to that regimented 'sky football'. We're playing the game the way it should be played. You would probably not have seen a lot of players at the club this season if the situation had remained the same."

"We have good footballing players, but we weren't allowed to play football under the last regime, which was a waste of the talent we had in the squad," Jones says. "We have a lot of internationals and good footballers. He [Hughes] might have been surprised that we took to it so quickly, knowing the brand that we used to play before, but I've always believed we had enough in there to play that type of football and we're showing it at the moment."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on October 23, 2017, 11:04:48 AM
Have given this some considerable thought after my 8 hour round trip on Saturday to once more witness a pretty turgid display - time has now come to say "enough is enough"
Lets be fair Southampton are not really very good and we didn't ever look like beating them. J Rod had a good chance which he shanked well wide but in real terms he was probably so knackered having had to run around chasing lost causes he was grateful just to make some sort of contact. Or he might of thought he was still defending and just lashed it anywhere ( which essentially is what he did)

Have a suggestion for Tony's next team talk if god forbid he's still in charge - " Right lads this week we are going to try something a bit different. When you get the ball I want you to pass it along the ground to someone wearing the same shirt as you. That alone will surprise our opponents. I want wingers to run up and down the touchline with the ball and cross it to the penalty area for the strikers who I want to see playing in the other half. I don't want them defending - that's what we pay defenders for. If you get the ball and there's space in front of you try to run with it a bit and then pass it. I want you to keep the ball and not just boot it. If by any fluke the other team get it I don't want you all to run back to our area but one or two of you try to get it back whilst it's in their half. Let's get the corners into the area past the first player and have people attacking the ball.
And more to the point when one of theirs gets it in the dying minutes in his own half - please put in some sort of tackle, Boufal is not exactly Maradonna and should have been stopped. -Claudio get stripped off!!!!!"
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on October 23, 2017, 11:10:43 AM
The better form we have shown with Pulis in charge is at the back of his first season when we played a 4-4-1-1 with Berahino as the support striker and last year in a 4-2-3-1 which started at Leicester with Morrison as a 10 and having Brunt and Phillips as inverted wingers. What surprises me is that we haven't gone back to either one of these two ways of playing now that we have a better squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 23, 2017, 11:24:47 AM
Quote from: Backofthenet on October 23, 2017, 11:04:48 AM
Have given this some considerable thought after my 8 hour round trip on Saturday to once more witness a pretty turgid display - time has now come to say "enough is enough"
Lets be fair Southampton are not really very good and we didn't ever look like beating them. J Rod had a good chance which he shanked well wide but in real terms he was probably so knackered having had to run around chasing lost causes he was grateful just to make some sort of contact. Or he might of thought he was still defending and just lashed it anywhere ( which essentially is what he did)

Have a suggestion for Tony's next team talk if god forbid he's still in charge - " Right lads this week we are going to try something a bit different. When you get the ball I want you to pass it along the ground to someone wearing the same shirt as you. That alone will surprise our opponents. I want wingers to run up and down the touchline with the ball and cross it to the penalty area for the strikers who I want to see playing in the other half. I don't want them defending - that's what we pay defenders for. If you get the ball and there's space in front of you try to run with it a bit and then pass it. I want you to keep the ball and not just boot it. If by any fluke the other team get it I don't want you all to run back to our area but one or two of you try to get it back whilst it's in their half. Let's get the corners into the area past the first player and have people attacking the ball.
And more to the point when one of theirs gets it in the dying minutes in his own half - please put in some sort of tackle, Boufal is not exactly Maradonna and should have been stopped. -Claudio get stripped off!!!!!"
 
Dust off your CV mate, you've cracked it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on October 23, 2017, 11:28:43 AM
Thanks - fancy a job in my backroom staff?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on October 23, 2017, 11:36:39 AM
enquiries@wbafc.co.uk

I have just emailed club with my thoughts addressed to John Williams, chairman.

I urge each and everyone of us to do it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 23, 2017, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on October 23, 2017, 11:36:39 AM
enquiries@wbafc.co.uk

I have just emailed club with my thoughts addressed to John Williams, chairman.

I urge each and everyone of us to do it.

Good idea!

I will do it, hope others join in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 23, 2017, 11:59:36 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on October 23, 2017, 11:53:25 AM
Good idea!

I will do it, hope others join in

Fan power rules ok!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 23, 2017, 12:02:54 PM
Sadly it is completely pointless. I would just send him a link to this thread with purely my posts highlighted for him, I think all the concerns everyone now seems to have I raised a good couple of years back as it was obvious how things were going to go to me back then, we just got lucky with the form of Matty Phillips who was unstoppable for a couple of months last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on October 23, 2017, 12:16:27 PM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on October 23, 2017, 11:36:39 AM
enquiries@wbafc.co.uk

I have just emailed club with my thoughts addressed to John Williams, chairman.

I urge each and everyone of us to do it.
I have emailed him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on October 23, 2017, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 23, 2017, 12:02:54 PM
Sadly it is completely pointless. I would just send him a link to this thread with purely my posts highlighted for him, I think all the concerns everyone now seems to have I raised a good couple of years back as it was obvious how things were going to go to me back then, we just got lucky with the form of Matty Phillips who was unstoppable for a couple of months last season.

And that is the problem. Apathy.

Apathy is why Pulis is getting away with rubbish.

Email the link, at least it says something.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 23, 2017, 12:41:48 PM
Quote from: cads_ap_albion on October 23, 2017, 12:33:48 PM
And that is the problem. Apathy.

Apathy is why Pulis is getting away with rubbish.

Email the link, at least it says something.

I'd disagree, I would say that the reason he has been getting away with rubbish is because there have been enough people who are happy to put up with it because we have been getting enough points to stay in the Premier League. You only have to look at the change in opinions on here in the past fortnight to see how attitudes seem to have changed thanks to the start to this season and the fixtures we have wasted, with the big boys now coming up.

As has been said by Jacko, nothing will change so long as we are continuing to get the required points per game, but I would hope that if we are awful on Saturday, there may be at least be no positive songs about Tony Pulis which I get sick to death of hearing and maybe a bit more negativity towards him from the stands so the owners can at least see the fans are dissatisfied because at the minute, unless they view social media, they will think all is rosy with the fan base.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 23, 2017, 12:44:37 PM
emailed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 23, 2017, 12:48:48 PM
emailed him.

I have his direct email and Garlick's so we'll see what comes from them (if anything).

I have TP's number also, having to bite my lip to not text him :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 23, 2017, 12:52:39 PM
lets hope some of the players email too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 23, 2017, 12:53:56 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 23, 2017, 12:41:48 PM
maybe a bit more negativity towards him from the stands so the owners can at least see the fans are dissatisfied because at the minute, unless they view social media, they will think all is rosy with the fan base.
I'd be very surprised if the club didn't have people keeping an eye on social media and reporting back the general overview of those parts of the fanbase who use it and will be very aware of a rising swell of discontent
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 23, 2017, 12:54:41 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on October 23, 2017, 12:53:56 PM
I'd be very surprised if the club didn't have people keeping an eye on social media and reporting back the general overview of those parts of the fanbase who use it and will be very aware of a rising swell of discontent

Unless they have hired Legend for that role and he is reporting back that all is quiet on the Western Front  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 23, 2017, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 23, 2017, 12:54:41 PM
Unless they have hired Legend for that role and he is reporting back that all is quiet on the Western Front  :o


i wouldnt be suprised if legend was Richard Webb on facebook
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 23, 2017, 01:08:49 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on October 23, 2017, 12:53:56 PM
I'd be very surprised if the club didn't have people keeping an eye on social media and reporting back the general overview of those parts of the fanbase who use it and will be very aware of a rising swell of discontent

Almost certainly they do, but I don't think changes will be made based on style, the criteria will be results.

I don't think it's possible to ignore the last quarter of last season & that, together with the less than impressive start to this season, will have raised some "red flags"

What we don't know is how much money is available for a replacement Head Coach, the fact that we haven't replaced Pulis to date, suggests not much.
In reality, he's probably the best, & least risky, of those we can afford.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on October 23, 2017, 01:16:17 PM
When Pulis was at Stoke and we had Mowbray I hated the way they played, the boring, negative football but when he came to us I thought I would give the guy a chance, last season I held my hands up and said to people I got it wrong about Pulis, he has got a knack of getting results and that is all that matters having watched us play football under Pepe Mel and co and struggle but enough is enough now. With the players at Pulis disposal its nothing short of a disgrace that he is still setting the team up the way he is, negative starting line up, negative subs, negative tactics. Sadly Pulis is never going to change no matter what calibre of players we bring in. My only worry is we sack him and replace him with an equally negative coach like Big Sam. For me the best manager we have had in the Prem is Hosgson, for me he got the balance right with being fairly solid at the back, good shape and organisation but with attacking flair was well. Pulis was exactly what we needed after Irvine but hes taken us as far as he can, thanks for the memories Tony, good luck in your future endeavors.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 23, 2017, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: Backofthenet on October 23, 2017, 11:28:43 AM
Thanks - fancy a job in my backroom staff?
I'm in!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 23, 2017, 01:53:25 PM
The one thing pulls does having going for him from me is i still dont think in a million years we will go down even if we are dreadful. He knows whats needed in that situation ( a situation we havent been in bar when he came in) and would defo pull us out.


I might be one of the most pro-pulis posters on here but he needs to get it sorted soon else somebody else is going to have to defend ya pal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 23, 2017, 01:58:25 PM
The one good thing i can say if he does go, i can finally start going back down the shrine. Said after that first half season i ay paying to watch this and havent been down since bar when I've had a free ticket.

I dont wanna pay to watch it, but he's whats best for the club right now and the greater good is more important than my entertainment value. No fan is bigger than the club (grotty who?) and i care so much about this club, I'm prepared to possibly miss out on SOME entertainment value (i enjoy watching the matches after adjusting my expectations) and experience to make us the best we can be considering we are literally lil ol west brom with the resources we have, with the hope one day somebody can build on that and make us big ol west brom.


Roll on saturday and lets hope something changes soon!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on October 23, 2017, 02:14:15 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on October 23, 2017, 01:08:49 PM
Almost certainly they do, but I don't think changes will be made based on style, the criteria will be results.

I don't think it's possible to ignore the last quarter of last season & that, together with the less than impressive start to this season, will have raised some "red flags"

What we don't know is how much money is available for a replacement Head Coach, the fact that we haven't replaced Pulis to date, suggests not much.
In reality, he's probably the best, & least risky, of those we can afford.

Christ! If it comes down to lack of money, I'll happily sell my house if it helps to get rid of him!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on October 23, 2017, 02:19:26 PM
Somehow I have a niggly feeling that he's still about 2 games away from the chop and any form of positive result prolongs that. In the current climate there are a few clubs getting twitchy and any manager believed to be any good - and unemployed , will be of interest. The only issue is that of the current crop not working I fail to see anyone who would be a good fit. And would we really want any of them - I doubt it.
The options are fairly limited and whilst I am at the front of the queue to get rid I am also aware that the old saying of 'being careful what you wish for' continually rears its head.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 23, 2017, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 23, 2017, 01:58:25 PM
The one good thing i can say if he does go, i can finally start going back down the shrine. Said after that first half season i ay paying to watch this and havent been down since bar when I've had a free ticket.

I dont wanna pay to watch it, but he's whats best for the club right now and the greater good is more important than my entertainment value. No fan is bigger than the club (grotty who?) and i care so much about this club, I'm prepared to possibly miss out on SOME entertainment value (i enjoy watching the matches after adjusting my expectations) and experience to make us the best we can be considering we are literally lil ol west brom with the resources we have, with the hope one day somebody can build on that and make us big ol west brom.


Roll on saturday and lets hope something changes soon!

Is it 3 wins in 21 games? That's all they need to know......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 23, 2017, 02:23:40 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on October 23, 2017, 02:20:41 PM
Is it 3 wins in 21 games? That's all they need to know......


No it's 2 wins in 9. Not that they're bothered. The only important stat is 1.11 points per game. Edit. And even that stat doesn't come in to play until minimum 16 matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 23, 2017, 02:27:28 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 23, 2017, 02:23:40 PM

No it's 2 wins in 9. Not that they're bothered. The only important stat is 1.11 points per game. Edit. And even that stat doesn't come in to play until minimum 16 matches.

it is also 3 wins in the last 21 league games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 23, 2017, 02:29:44 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 23, 2017, 02:27:28 PM
it is also 3 wins in the last 21 league games.


Yes but as has been done to death on here the club won't be taking last season into account aside from the finishing position and prize money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 23, 2017, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 23, 2017, 02:29:44 PM

Yes but as has been done to death on here the club won't be taking last season into account aside from the finishing position and prize money.

Although I don't agree that it should be ignored the fact that the club extended his contract suggests that is the case.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 23, 2017, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 23, 2017, 02:29:44 PM

Yes but as has been done to death on here the club won't be taking last season into account aside from the finishing position and prize money.
I totally agree with you about it being about finishing position and prize money but I'd hope the club do look at how we finished last season as we haven't really improved on that despite spending a decent amount in the transfer window and getting better players in.
The points total is slightly better than the end of last season but that isn't going to last the way we are playing and if we do end up in the bottom 3 in November and are still there in January I'd really hope that Pulis' time will be at an end.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on October 23, 2017, 02:51:12 PM
Rondon is obviously rubbish - I mean he can't hold the sky ball up for 2 minutes on his own surrounded by 4 defenders while his (wingers/wingbacks) break into a half  jog to support him.

Greg well where do I start - He seems to get tackled all the time trying to hold the ball for an hour whilst one of his dynamic midfield partners thinks about breaking shape and moving into a bit of space. Forget playing in the Champions League for PSG or the Europa League final - he would be better suited down West Smethwick. For god sake Greg, take the ball past a few players and play a killer ball for your non moving striker who is still trying to catch his breath from defending the past 1/2 hour (how unfit)

Barry - this guy can't pass water. Forget playing more games in the Premier League than anyone else he's obviously sh1te. I saw at least one occasion where Livermore thought about moving forward. There was another occasion also where his team mates remained perfectly still creating the opportunity for him to Maradona the whole Southampton team - you have to take your chances at this level Gaz.

JRod - urine Poor - I mean he had 1 chance what more does he want. I also want to know what our left back was doing so high up the pitch and out of position?!?

Chadli - Waste of space - I mean this guy clearly does not know how to play right back. Sell him and get a proper right back in.

Livermore - I think he needs to do a better job of being stationary. I mean for their goal he clearly moved and you could see this created confusion amongst his team mates that he does, indeed, actually move.

Defence - Our 4 centre halves were so poor we had to bring on a 5th and still conceded.

Foster - Obviously a lot of the blame goes here. He needs to practice his time wasting. If he could've just took an extra 20 mins on his goal kicks we may well have scraped a draw here against world class opposition - i mean just look at their bench!!

I feel for Tony - he has clearly got his work cut out with the donkeys he has been given.

Keep it up Tone - we all know how much better the opposition are than us and the money they've spent and the talent they have on the bench. It's very very tight and small margins.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on October 23, 2017, 03:03:55 PM
I’m beginning to doubt the players are supporting Pulis. I don’t think he’s ‘lost them’ , I just think they’re not as clear or committed to their jobs as they should be. They look flat and devoid of something important - something we’ve had the past couple of years overall. Look at Southampton’s goal - all too easy and a couple of players just seemed to swing a leg instead of committing to a challenge.  Similarly going forward, there are very few risks taken. Are the players scared - shouldn’t be they’re professionals, are they inhibited - maybe likely.

We can continue to tread water as we are for this season but we’ll be closer to the bottom three as we’re not as tight at the back and Pulis’ team just don’t score enough to make up for a weaker defence.

I’d give him a few games more pending another manager becoming available. Some of best recent appointments Hodgson and ironically Pulis, we’re made mid-season when they were available.

It’s a case of wait for someone better/ more suited to working with this squad I think however Pulis’s days definitely look to be numbered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 23, 2017, 03:42:14 PM
Just seen some recent comments by TP. He says we'll look much more balanced with Mozza and Burke back from injury. Can't disagree with that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on October 23, 2017, 03:44:33 PM
His times up and I think he realises it.
His post match comments are becoming as embarrassing as that clown Mark Hughes'.
First of all he says the Monday night game upset the players routine (didn't do Leicester much harm) and then he 'rues missed chances', totally ignoring the fact that we could have lost by 4 and only had one chance ourselves and that was because he once again played 3 holding midfielders and never even tried to win the game.
Stop lying to us and treat us with respect and that way you may just keep the support of the few fans you have left on your side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 23, 2017, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 23, 2017, 03:42:14 PM
Just seen some recent comments by TP. He says we'll look much more balanced with Mozza and Burke back from injury. Can't disagree with that.

Is that the same Burke that Pulis said would have to wait for his chance as he wasn't ready for the premier league and was a "raw" talent? Phillips is a proven player in the Premier league yet isn't getting much game time, surely he would provide the balance that Pulis is talking about?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sparky123 on October 23, 2017, 03:58:33 PM
I see Koeman is looking for a jobl
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 23, 2017, 03:59:25 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 23, 2017, 03:54:01 PM
Is that the same Burke that Pulis said would have to wait for his chance as he wasn't ready for the premier league and was a "raw" talent? Phillips is a proven player in the Premier league yet isn't getting much game time, surely he would provide the balance that Pulis is talking about?

Really Hull, just do not engage, there is no point.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 23, 2017, 04:05:27 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 23, 2017, 03:59:25 PM
Really Hull, just do not engage, there is no point.

it's okay, I am happy to debate with anyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 23, 2017, 04:11:07 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 23, 2017, 04:05:27 PM
it's okay, I am happy to debate with anyone.

I wish you luck in speaking with that particular brick wall.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 23, 2017, 04:21:29 PM
Can't see how he is still defended by some. He has turned us into Stoke! We all knew it would happen but we hoped he would mould us like crystal Palace at the time. Then slowly and surely he has stunk up the entire gaff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 23, 2017, 04:28:08 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 23, 2017, 03:54:01 PM
Is that the same Burke that Pulis said would have to wait for his chance as he wasn't ready for the premier league and was a "raw" talent? Phillips is a proven player in the Premier league yet isn't getting much game time, surely he would provide the balance that Pulis is talking about?

Well he says Burke will bring pace and goals to the team, Phillips has been poor this season and hasn't really got going.  We never really clicked last season until Phillips started playing well. I think Pulis wanted to slowly introduce Burke but realises now we could do with him in the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 23, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: sparky123 on October 23, 2017, 03:58:33 PM
I see Koeman is looking for a jobl

Imagine if Pulis had the money Koeman was given at Everton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 23, 2017, 04:31:49 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 23, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
Imagine if Pulis had the money Koeman was given at Everton.

Yes I can. It would still be sh#t.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 23, 2017, 04:32:33 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 23, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
Imagine if Pulis had the money Koeman was given at Everton.
enlighten us please as to how you think he would have spent it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 23, 2017, 04:33:08 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 23, 2017, 04:32:33 PM
enlighten us please as to how you think he would have spent it.

7 centre backs  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 23, 2017, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 23, 2017, 01:58:25 PM
The one good thing i can say if he does go, i can finally start going back down the shrine. Said after that first half season i ay paying to watch this and havent been down since bar when I've had a free ticket.

I dont wanna pay to watch it, but he's whats best for the club right now and the greater good is more important than my entertainment value. No fan is bigger than the club (grotty who?) and i care so much about this club, I'm prepared to possibly miss out on SOME entertainment value (i enjoy watching the matches after adjusting my expectations) and experience to make us the best we can be considering we are literally lil ol west brom with the resources we have, with the hope one day somebody can build on that and make us big ol west brom.


Roll on saturday and lets hope something changes soon!
How hypocritical is that? You come on here telling us how good he is and he'll do this that and the other yet you refuse to pay to watch it! Unbelievable I'll just ignore your posts in future
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 23, 2017, 04:45:27 PM
We needed him when he arrived in Jan 2015 and he put the band aid on a poor and un-motivated squad.

We needed stabalising, he did that in 2016 until the wheels came off at the end of Feb (or 40points whichever perspective you have)
A significant number of us at the start of 2016/17 thought, well give him a chance to form his squad and see how he develops us, maybe by 2017 we will be stronger and more attractive, he has done the pragmatic stuff, now move on.

Well its still early in 2017/18 but the signs are far from good. The back end of last season was a disaster, but lets forget that for now.
So we are a quarter of the way through the season and will garner 41 or 42 points at the current rate, however the fixtures have been kind and we sit just 2 points above the drop zone, we cannot claim to have been unlucky as we have not seen shots cleared off the line, penalties saved, cross bars rattled, we have played negative and depressing football to achieve what we have thus far, which equates to survival on a knife edge when extrapolated over the season.

The prospect of an upturn in form and "quality" is not on the horizon (in my opinion), Below us in the league are at least 4 clubs capable of going on good runs (leicester / stoke / everton / west ham) . I cannot see any way in which our position is not at best precarious.

Given 3 transfer windows and not insignificant budgets our management team should be delivering something which shows at the very least "potential",
I take Jacko's point about 1.1 points / game being the KPI, but there must be other "performance indicators" and assuming that there are we cannot be achieving target on many of them.

I don't see TP being here in Jan, The Stoke and Everton games in December will be huge IMO
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 23, 2017, 04:58:59 PM
When you are being bullied, there are two ways you can go, you can come out fighting and risk getting a good lamping or you can shrink back into your shell and just keep getting jabbed.
Pulis is obviously in the latter camp and the worse we get the more he shrinks. He simply hasn't got the balls to have a go and put up a fight. His answer to poor performance is to defend even deeper rather than get on the front foot and catch the bully off guard.
We need someone who can motivate this, decent group of players, to come out swinging! We may get knocked spark out but at least we'll have shown some pride!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 23, 2017, 05:09:16 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on October 23, 2017, 04:58:59 PM
When you are being bullied, there are two ways you can go, you can come out fighting and risk getting a good lamping or you can shrink back into your shell and just keep getting jabbed.
Pulis is obviously in the latter camp and the worse we get the more he shrinks. He simply hasn't got the balls to have a go and put up a fight. His answer to poor performance is to defend even deeper rather than get on the front foot and catch the bully off guard.
We need someone who can motivate this, decent group of players, to come out swinging! We may get knocked spark out but at least we'll have shown some pride!

We're not being bullied though, bullying implies one of the combatants is more capable than the other and uses that,

We are TRYING to do "rope a dope" every week, but guess what, even the greatest boxer of all time (ALI) couldn't do that in every match he had to employ tactics appropriate to his opposition.  Our bloke simply doesn't have the cohonies to do that, he just lies back methaphorically tucks his elbows in and hopes to get a lucky punch in at some point.

When it works its effective but by christ you would want to watch too many fights like it.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 23, 2017, 05:57:50 PM
Quote from: crocodile007 on October 23, 2017, 02:51:12 PM
Rondon is obviously rubbish - I mean he can't hold the sky ball up for 2 minutes on his own surrounded by 4 defenders while his (wingers/wingbacks) break into a half  jog to support him.

Greg well where do I start - He seems to get tackled all the time trying to hold the ball for an hour whilst one of his dynamic midfield partners thinks about breaking shape and moving into a bit of space. Forget playing in the Champions League for PSG or the Europa League final - he would be better suited down West Smethwick. For god sake Greg, take the ball past a few players and play a killer ball for your non moving striker who is still trying to catch his breath from defending the past 1/2 hour (how unfit)

Barry - this guy can't pass water. Forget playing more games in the Premier League than anyone else he's obviously sh1te. I saw at least one occasion where Livermore thought about moving forward. There was another occasion also where his team mates remained perfectly still creating the opportunity for him to Maradona the whole Southampton team - you have to take your chances at this level Gaz.

JRod - urine Poor - I mean he had 1 chance what more does he want. I also want to know what our left back was doing so high up the pitch and out of position?!?

Chadli - Waste of space - I mean this guy clearly does not know how to play right back. Sell him and get a proper right back in.

Livermore - I think he needs to do a better job of being stationary. I mean for their goal he clearly moved and you could see this created confusion amongst his team mates that he does, indeed, actually move.

Defence - Our 4 centre halves were so poor we had to bring on a 5th and still conceded.

Foster - Obviously a lot of the blame goes here. He needs to practice his time wasting. If he could've just took an extra 20 mins on his goal kicks we may well have scraped a draw here against world class opposition - i mean just look at their bench!!

I feel for Tony - he has clearly got his work cut out with the donkeys he has been given.

Keep it up Tone - we all know how much better the opposition are than us and the money they've spent and the talent they have on the bench. It's very very tight and small margins.....

Well that's that sorted then. Thank you for your accurate assessment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 23, 2017, 06:02:07 PM
According to Pulis, this is going to be the toughest year to stay in the premier league, of the teams who came up Newcastle work arrd will be hard to beat at home and Raffa as them well organised, and no one as spent more than Huddersfield and Brighton!! Getting his excuses in early what a complete !!! Pulis out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 23, 2017, 06:04:15 PM
Pulis saying we’ll be more balanced when we have Morrison and Burke is laughable.

We have McClean, Phillips, Rodriguez and Phillips who can play the positions those players occupy. Anyway, all clubs get injuries, it’s how you deal with them when they happen, and it’s not working.

Would I want to see Pulis given the money Everton spent? No way, he spent £40m this summer and hasn’t changed tactics at all.

Time to go Tony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 23, 2017, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: albion59 on October 23, 2017, 06:02:07 PM
According to Pulis, this is going to be the toughest year to stay in the premier league, of the teams who came up Newcastle work arrd will be hard to beat at home and Raffa as them well organised, and no one as spent more than Huddersfield and Brighton!! Getting his excuses in early what a complete !!! Pulis out

Jesus, Huddersfield and Brighton only spent more because they had championship squads. We’ve got twice the squad of those two clubs. The difference is they have pro active managers!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 23, 2017, 06:08:43 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on October 23, 2017, 06:05:31 PM
Jesus, Huddersfield and Brighton only spent more because they had championship squads. We’ve got twice the squad of those two clubs. The difference is they have pro active managers!
Correct! I couldn't believe what I was hearing,on the local radio and that is only bits I can remember!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 23, 2017, 06:24:12 PM
Quote from: albion59 on October 23, 2017, 06:02:07 PM
According to Pulis, this is going to be the toughest year to stay in the premier league, of the teams who came up Newcastle work arrd will be hard to beat at home and Raffa as them well organised, and no one as spent more than Huddersfield and Brighton!! Getting his excuses in early what a complete !!! Pulis out

It's tougher than ever. Which is why I've lowered my expectations for this season. We all want to keep pushing on and finishing with more points but this league is highly competitive and you need a bit of luck sometimes. We've lost too many points from winning positions which has put a little bit of pressure on for the next couple of fixtures.

Look at how many managers do very well for a certain club and the season after the form collapses and they end up sacked. It happens quite a bit. It's very hard to stay competitive and consistent, luckily Pulis is one of the best at this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 23, 2017, 06:30:18 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 23, 2017, 06:24:12 PM
It's tougher than ever. Which is why I've lowered my expectations for this season. We all want to keep pushing on and finishing with more points but this league is highly competitive and you need a bit of luck sometimes. We've lost too many points from winning positions which has put a little bit of pressure on for the next couple of fixtures.

Look at how many managers do very well for a certain club and the season after the form collapses and they end up sacked. It happens quite a bit. It's very hard to stay competitive and consistent, luckily Pulis is one of the best at this.

Legend, you are in a majority of one now mate, this is indefensible...........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on October 23, 2017, 06:31:38 PM
Quote from: crocodile007 on October 23, 2017, 02:51:12 PM
Rondon is obviously rubbish - I mean he can't hold the sky ball up for 2 minutes on his own surrounded by 4 defenders while his (wingers/wingbacks) break into a half  jog to support him.

Greg well where do I start - He seems to get tackled all the time trying to hold the ball for an hour whilst one of his dynamic midfield partners thinks about breaking shape and moving into a bit of space. Forget playing in the Champions League for PSG or the Europa League final - he would be better suited down West Smethwick. For god sake Greg, take the ball past a few players and play a killer ball for your non moving striker who is still trying to catch his breath from defending the past 1/2 hour (how unfit)

Barry - this guy can't pass water. Forget playing more games in the Premier League than anyone else he's obviously sh1te. I saw at least one occasion where Livermore thought about moving forward. There was another occasion also where his team mates remained perfectly still creating the opportunity for him to Maradona the whole Southampton team - you have to take your chances at this level Gaz.

JRod - urine Poor - I mean he had 1 chance what more does he want. I also want to know what our left back was doing so high up the pitch and out of position?!?

Chadli - Waste of space - I mean this guy clearly does not know how to play right back. Sell him and get a proper right back in.

Livermore - I think he needs to do a better job of being stationary. I mean for their goal he clearly moved and you could see this created confusion amongst his team mates that he does, indeed, actually move.

Defence - Our 4 centre halves were so poor we had to bring on a 5th and still conceded.

Foster - Obviously a lot of the blame goes here. He needs to practice his time wasting. If he could've just took an extra 20 mins on his goal kicks we may well have scraped a draw here against world class opposition - i mean just look at their bench!!

I feel for Tony - he has clearly got his work cut out with the donkeys he has been given.

Keep it up Tone - we all know how much better the opposition are than us and the money they've spent and the talent they have on the bench. It's very very tight and small margins.....
It must be quite painful to have your tongue in your cheek for that length of time. Good read though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on October 23, 2017, 06:34:09 PM
I think TP will turn it around he is a master of getting points.I know the playing style is awful but i think he has no choice in changing that too cant see what Livermore brings but something has to give and i think TP will figure it out or he knows he will be gone soon.I am not giving up on the manager yet he is too experienced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on October 23, 2017, 06:36:12 PM
Quote from: timdon on October 23, 2017, 06:31:38 PM
It must be quite painful to have your tongue in your cheek for that length of time. Good read though.
;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on October 23, 2017, 06:43:22 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on October 23, 2017, 06:34:09 PM
I think TP will turn it around he is a master of getting points.I know the playing style is awful but i think he has no choice in changing that too cant see what Livermore brings but something has to give and i think TP will figure it out or he knows he will be gone soon.I am not giving up on the manager yet he is too experienced.
Spend a bit more time on the team Tony, and less time posting on here, and we wouldn't be in this mess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 23, 2017, 06:49:35 PM
Quote from: Pulisisabaggie on October 23, 2017, 06:34:09 PM
I think TP will turn it around he is a master of getting points.I know the playing style is awful but i think he has no choice in changing that too cant see what Livermore brings but something has to give and i think TP will figure it out or he knows he will be gone soon.I am not giving up on the manager yet he is too experienced.

Agreed. Football is a fickle game, wins the next couple of games he will be Corberan again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 23, 2017, 06:51:54 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 23, 2017, 06:49:35 PM
Agreed. Football is a fickle game, wins the next couple of games he will be Corberan again.

No he won’t, given his attitude to football he will never be Corberan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on October 23, 2017, 06:56:00 PM
Well for my sins I remember the very dark days of League 2 football, but at least back then you could forgive the manager and players because they really weren't that good. Pulis however has no excuse whatsoever. His book of excuses must be thicker than War & Peace. He has broken so many promises - Needs better players. Need to to adapt etc etc etc. I think it was one of his very first interviews where he stated that he needed to find a system that suited the players. Alas, he gave up on that and reverted to round pegs in square holes. And god forbid anyone who spoke out against it. 19 Premierships managers play one way, TP plays the other, yet still believes he is the one in the right. what do they say about mad people thinking everyone else is mad??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 23, 2017, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: Aztech on October 23, 2017, 06:51:54 PM
No he won’t, given his attitude to football he will never be Corberan.

Mildly encouraged that you've implied (by omission) that we might get something out of the next two games.

Optimism......... wow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 23, 2017, 07:05:58 PM
Some more gems, Leicester was really tough on Monday then we had to come to Southampton who are a good side and it's never easy coming to these places. We need some wins especially at home! Nss
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 23, 2017, 07:08:34 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on October 23, 2017, 07:00:44 PM
Mildly encouraged that you've implied (by omission) that we might get something out of the next two games.

Optimism......... wow.

There’s always a chance we could nick a result, however I very much doubt we will play open and attacking football. They really would be expecting to much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on October 23, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
Football would be a start
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 23, 2017, 11:12:57 PM
Quote from: HampshireBaggie on October 23, 2017, 06:04:15 PM
Pulis saying we’ll be more balanced when we have Morrison and Burke is laughable.

Couldn't agree more. Contradicts his comments on Burke not being ready and untried and as for Morrison it's about 1 in 6 games at best when he puts in an acceptable performance and spends more time on the bench these days when fit.

He does talk a load of cr*p and taking us for fools.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 23, 2017, 11:36:18 PM
Pulis, it's over. Don't drag us down any further.

You are a one trick pony and now everyone else knows exactly how to yank your tail.

GO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on October 23, 2017, 11:55:39 PM
hes hit our glass ceiling just like he hit stokes,with the football being equally bad,the red adair of the prem that if he stays his bubble will burst at our expense.begone Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 24, 2017, 12:34:22 AM
Funnily enough it was this time last season when people were panicking as we had only won 2 games. We then went on a great run. Patience is key, let's see where we our after the next five games or so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on October 24, 2017, 12:45:02 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 24, 2017, 12:34:22 AM
Funnily enough it was this time last season when people were panicking as we had only won 2 games. We then went on a great run. Patience is key, let's see where we our after the next five games or so.
NO
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 24, 2017, 01:04:48 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 24, 2017, 12:34:22 AM
Funnily enough it was this time last season when people were panicking as we had only won 2 games. We then went on a great run. Patience is key, let's see where we our after the next five games or so.

ain't you got bored yet?

patience is key, I agree... but the dinosaur has had about 110 games and it's still sh*t and driving the fans away (along with losing the dressing room IF there is any truth in the rumours).

Your fighting a losing battle trying to defend him, it's only a matter of time and he will be the past.... unfortunately it can't come soon enough! don't want to see the lying, sly, mind numbing idiot in the home dugout ever again.

He can take his rehearsed speech that he's been using since his stoke days to his next club too because he ain't fooling our fans anymore ( the ones with common sense atleast ).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 24, 2017, 01:06:22 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 24, 2017, 12:34:22 AM
Funnily enough it was this time last season when people were panicking as we had only won 2 games. We then went on a great run. Patience is key, let's see where we our after the next five games or so.

The board is almost certainly going to give him 5 or 6 games so the fans don't have a choice. However in the light of two full seasons of dross masquerading as football I'm not sure what is going to happen during the next 6 games that changes anything much. Sure he might get a few more points on the board but that won't make the football any less turgid.




 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on October 24, 2017, 01:43:17 AM
The only thing keeping me going is the fact that at some point in the future we will see an Albion team that tries to win games again, Pulis can't last forever. I don't know when it will be but I can't wait for the day he is gone, I'll make a return to The Hawthorns for the very next home game to celebrate.

Over the past few weeks I've been watching highlights of random games on YouTube from well before I was born up until the dinosaur was appointed, watching us take the game to the opposition and attack in numbers is amazing - and something I never realised I was taking for granted - I can't wait for those days to return.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on October 24, 2017, 06:46:19 AM
Emailed the club my thoughts, have asked for an invite to the next Chairman's meeting with fans.

Emailed WM to ask them to do another fans and Pulis live hour like last season, see if they have or he has some.

More chance of Harry Potter flying in on Saturday to slay the Dark Lord!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 24, 2017, 06:50:27 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 23, 2017, 06:49:35 PM
Agreed. Football is a fickle game, wins the next couple of games he will be Corberan again.

He really won't though. You are missing the point, deliberately I think, as otherwise your arguments don't hold any ground.
The point that the vast majority of us that want him gone is not that we aren't winning, it's the pathetic style of play; ultra defensive, try and nick a goal on a rare attack. It's dull as dish water and about as far removed from entertainment as it's possible to get. It's just not enjoyable anymore.

I don't expect us to get anything on Saturday (I'm expecting 3 or 4 nil to City) and if we get a good hiding of more than 4 goals to 0 I won't mind half as much if we've put in a performance and tried to attack city, showed some positivity and given it a go.
I was pleased with the performance against City in the second half of the league cup game and also for most of the game with Arsenal as we tried to attack and looked like we were trying to win those games. The result in both those games albeit disappointing didn't annoy he half as much as the results against West Ham, Watford and Leicester where we picked up 1 point but with more attacking intent could have got all 3. Instead of scoring 1(or 2 early goals in the case of Watford) and then trying (and failing) to shut up shop why not try and keep scoring instead of inviting teams to attack us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 24, 2017, 07:40:40 AM
People talk about this Huddersfield game being massive for him and perhaps it is but the damage is already done, even if we beat them a couple more defeats and rubbish performances and people will be baying for blood . I feel we'd be better cutting our losses and trying to galvanise it a bit .

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 24, 2017, 08:17:12 AM
Quote from: Mo on October 24, 2017, 07:40:40 AM
People talk about this Huddersfield game being massive for him and perhaps it is but the damage is already done, even if we beat them a couple more defeats and rubbish performances and people will be baying for blood . I feel we'd be better cutting our losses and trying to galvanise it a bit .

As has been pointed out by Jacko while we are at a points per game level where we will likely get to 40 points and probable safety the club is unlikely to sack Pulis as we will still have premier league football, only when we drop below that rate for a significant amount of time will they act.
Sadly the owners and the board don't feel the same way about West Bromwich Albion as we the fans do, to us it's WBA FC to them it's WBA PLC; it's a business not a football team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on October 24, 2017, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 24, 2017, 08:17:12 AM
As has been pointed out by Jacko while we are at a points per game level where we will likely get to 40 points and probable safety the club is unlikely to sack Pulis as we will still have premier league football, only when we drop below that rate for a significant amount of time will they act.
Sadly the owners and the board don't feel the same way about West Bromwich Albion as we the fans do, to us it's WBA FC to them it's WBA PLC; it's a business not a football team.
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Not sure I agree with likely HB. For sure, we are projected to get 40 points, but based on recent performances, we're likely to get a lot less.
I  can't see what we're going to do different to score more goals
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 24, 2017, 09:26:12 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on October 24, 2017, 08:41:21 AM
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Not sure I agree with likely HB. For sure, we are projected to get 40 points, but based on recent performances, we're likely to get a lot less.
I  can't see what we're going to do different to score more goals

I just meant that if we continue with our points per game ratio as it is now we will 'likely' get to 40 points (1.2 per game x 30 remaining games = 36 + 10 points we already have = 46).

I personally agree that if things don't improve on the playing front and we don't start trying to win games, we will start to fall well below that and by the end of November we will be in the bottom 3.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 24, 2017, 10:26:34 AM
All he needs to do is take the brakes off. Let the wide players play wide, no other fullback in the league has a personal bodyguard so why do ours need them?
Drop one of the 3 defensive midfielders and play someone in the number 10.
If you look at the teamsheets we (as in forum members) put out every week, they are not that different to what we get, it's the system and approach that is wrong and that's what needs to change.
Every team in this league has defensive frailties, even the mighty Man City, so just get at them and let them worry about the bit they are not so good at. We might get dicked, but, if we put 10 men behind the ball we will anyway.
Pulis needs to find something that he has never had throughout his career..... Courage! It's his only hope.

People talk about agendas against the man but that is rubbish. If he came out and really had a go in the next 3 games and we lost all of them he would still gain the respect of some of his detractors, if he actually won a couple....well. It's not him we hate it's his cowardice.

Will he do it? Not a chance, he'll go even more defensive, lose with a whimper and bemoan City's riches. Groundhog day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 24, 2017, 10:34:53 AM
He aint ever going to change his football beliefs,.You cant call what his beliefs are remotely anywhere near football.The media are quick enough to say thats the worst football etc etc then they come out with be carefull what we wish for. idiots.  hes always full of excuses.Hes served his purpose and he cant take us any further, the day hes gone the day i celebrate and come back
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 24, 2017, 10:46:20 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 24, 2017, 06:50:27 AM
He really won't though. You are missing the point, deliberately I think, as otherwise your arguments don't hold any ground.
The point that the vast majority of us that want him gone is not that we aren't winning, it's the pathetic style of play; ultra defensive, try and nick a goal on a rare attack. It's dull as dish water and about as far removed from entertainment as it's possible to get. It's just not enjoyable anymore.

I don't expect us to get anything on Saturday (I'm expecting 3 or 4 nil to City) and if we get a good hiding of more than 4 goals to 0 I won't mind half as much if we've put in a performance and tried to attack city, showed some positivity and given it a go.
I was pleased with the performance against City in the second half of the league cup game and also for most of the game with Arsenal as we tried to attack and looked like we were trying to win those games. The result in both those games albeit disappointing didn't annoy he half as much as the results against West Ham, Watford and Leicester where we picked up 1 point but with more attacking intent could have got all 3. Instead of scoring 1(or 2 early goals in the case of Watford) and then trying (and failing) to shut up shop why not try and keep scoring instead of inviting teams to attack us?

Wasn't that the case this time last season? Bournemouth away for example where he got pelters from the fans. We then went on a great run, winning games and scoring goals and the majority of fans seemed happy. Pulis has always been criticised for the football here, it's the results that kept fans happy. If we had held on against Watford and Leicester to win then this thread would be very quiet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 24, 2017, 10:54:58 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 24, 2017, 10:46:20 AM
Wasn't that the case this time last season? Bournemouth away for example where he got pelters from the fans. We then went on a great run, winning games and scoring goals and the majority of fans seemed happy. Pulis has always been criticised for the football here, it's the results that kept fans happy. If we had held on against Watford and Leicester to win then this thread would be very quiet.

Yes obviously because we started to play more attacking football, what don't you get about that?
 I can guarantee that if we had won against Leicester and Watford people would still be complaining about the style of football, as some were still complaining about the style of play when we were winning last season.
You seem unwilling to accept that for many of us it's the style of football not just the results that are important. If you're happy with the rubbish being served up then good for you, but it doesn't have to be so negative.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 24, 2017, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 24, 2017, 10:46:20 AM
Wasn't that the case this time last season? Bournemouth away for example where he got pelters from the fans. We then went on a great run, winning games and scoring goals and the majority of fans seemed happy. Pulis has always been criticised for the football here, it's the results that kept fans happy. If we had held on against Watford and Leicester to win then this thread would be very quiet.

But we didn’t, and we didn’t against Stoke either, and then there was Southampton where we never actually tested their keeper. We could have a good run this year too, but we all know it won’t last long and we all know that if by some miracle we do reach 40 points then the beach towels are out.
You are clearly on the wind up as you cannot possibly defend that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on October 24, 2017, 11:07:40 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on October 24, 2017, 10:26:34 AM
Let the wide players play wide, no other fullback in the league has a personal bodyguard so why do ours need them?
Drop one of the 3 defensive midfielders and play someone in the number 10.

This is so simple but yet these couple of tweaks or even one of these things happening in some games will be of big benefit to us. We now have two full backs with pace and are decent defending 1v1 wide, there are times when you need to risk leaving them 1v1 against the opposition wide player.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 24, 2017, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 24, 2017, 10:54:58 AM
Yes obviously because we started to play more attacking football, what don't you get about that?
 I can guarantee that if we had won against Leicester and Watford people would still be complaining about the style of football, as some were still complaining about the style of play when we were winning last season.
You seem unwilling to accept that for many of us it's the style of football not just the results that are important. If you're happy with the rubbish being served up then good for you, but it doesn't have to be so negative.

The style was very much the same though, the difference is we were scoring from set pieces, Phillips was in great form and we were more clinical in front of goal. We were still getting dominated possession wise and having less shots than the opposition. For example when we beat Hull 3-1 at home who were in the relegation zone we had 8 shots compared to 17 from Hull. When we beat Watford 3-1 they had 17 shots and 60% possession, very similiar stats to when we drew 2-2 a couple of weeks ago.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 24, 2017, 11:27:48 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 24, 2017, 11:21:29 AM
The style was very much the same though, the difference is we were scoring from set pieces, Phillips was in great form and we were more clinical in front of goal. We were still getting dominated possession wise and having less shots than the opposition. For example when we beat Hull 3-1 at home who were in the relegation zone we had 8 shots compared to 17 from Hull. When we beat Watford 3-1 they had 17 shots and 60% possession, very similiar stats to when we drew 2-2 a couple of weeks ago.

That was the issue I still had with it, and I called it at the time, as soon as the set piece goals dried up or Phillips dipped in form it was always going to revert to how it was before. Pulis was just very fortunate that we were extremely clinical during that run with the few chances we did create. Phillips will never play that well again and we don't have Brunt on the pitch currently for the set piece delivery so it comes as no surprise to me that we aren't even getting the results now let alone the performances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 24, 2017, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 24, 2017, 11:21:29 AM
The style was very much the same though, the difference is we were scoring from set pieces, Phillips was in great form and we were more clinical in front of goal. We were still getting dominated possession wise and having less shots than the opposition. For example when we beat Hull 3-1 at home who were in the relegation zone we had 8 shots compared to 17 from Hull. When we beat Watford 3-1 they had 17 shots and 60% possession, very similiar stats to when we drew 2-2 a couple of weeks ago.

We played far more attacking football with the small amount of possession we had though. In the game against Watford we attacked right to the end of the game with Phillips scoring our third in something like the 87th minute, the other week we sat back and time wasted pretty much as soon as we scored the 2nd goal around the 35 minute mark inviting Watford to attack that's the difference for me, last season when we went ahead we tried to score more this season we seem to shut up shop once we are ahead, hence why we regularly scored 3 goals at home last season and have managed to score more than 1 once this season (in the league home or away.)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 24, 2017, 11:33:38 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 24, 2017, 10:46:20 AM
If we had held on against Watford and Leicester to win then this thread would be very quiet.
But we didn't 'hold on' did we, and that basic fact seems to slip by you oh so easily
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 24, 2017, 11:46:07 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 24, 2017, 11:27:48 AM
That was the issue I still had with it, and I called it at the time, as soon as the set piece goals dried up or Phillips dipped in form it was always going to revert to how it was before. Pulis was just very fortunate that we were extremely clinical during that run with the few chances we did create. Phillips will never play that well again and we don't have Brunt on the pitch currently for the set piece delivery so it comes as no surprise to me that we aren't even getting the results now let alone the performances.

I remember Phillips having a poor start last season. Pulis dropped him and then brought him back in for Leicester and he seemed to kick on from there. Hopefully the same will happen again because we desperately need someone like him to get us up the pitch quicker and cause a threat. I'd also give McClean a go and put Mozza or Chadli to play behind Rondon. I think there was a reason Southampton got rid of Rodriguez and this was a team struggling for goals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 24, 2017, 01:30:54 PM
Is he still here ffs!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on October 24, 2017, 01:34:30 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 24, 2017, 10:46:20 AM
Wasn't that the case this time last season? Bournemouth away for example where he got pelters from the fans. We then went on a great run, winning games and scoring goals and the majority of fans seemed happy. Pulis has always been criticised for the football here, it's the results that kept fans happy. If we had held on against Watford and Leicester to win then this thread would be very quiet.
Come on be realistic - that run we went on was so far removed from what we are witnessing now it is untrue. I had no complaints during that period as although we had low possession we were breaking with pace and looked legitimately like a threat on the counter attack. This season it takes us an hour to get out of our own half. I honestly can't believe that you are seriously suggesting that the football this season is the same as last season. I also hate it being referred to as "Anti-Pulis" like people have it in for him for no reason. It's not personal it is simply disagreement with everything he stands for - the timewasting, the negative approaches, the sh1te football, the excuses, the bigging up opposition - these are simple facts of life with Pulis and most people just can't agree with them - it's not an agenda it's just a completely different set of beliefs on what football and more importantly this club should be about.
You are quite vocal in your support for Pulis so i open my question to you from a few pages back - what is the point for you?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on October 24, 2017, 01:47:01 PM
I was a defender of Pulis as he was the right man after Irvine to stop us going down .Even last season he did a decent job with the players he had but the run from the end of February was aweful. Now we have much better players but he cant adopt the method of play. We have 4 defenders-3 of which are centre halves,3 holding midfielders and 2 wingers (who aren't real wide men) whose primary job is to protect the 2 full backs. How he can say we need better quality in the final third is beyond me as we rarely get into the final third. I am sick of him now.
However if we don't get rid of him soon we will be in a position where we need a Tony Pulis to keep us up
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on October 24, 2017, 01:55:53 PM
Possibly slightly bias as Storey is my favorite writer but I'm really struggling to find anything either a pro or anti Pulis fan could disagree with in this (apart from Dawson being an excellent defender)

https://www.unibet.co.uk/blog/football/premier-league/west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-looks-out-of-his-depth-with-the-quality-at-his-disposal-1.954837

Good to read some thoughts from a neutral writer other than the 'Pulis keeps you up what more do you want' b0ll0cks spouted by the usual suspects like Merson etc



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 24, 2017, 02:27:11 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on October 24, 2017, 01:55:53 PM
Possibly slightly bias as Storey is my favorite writer but I'm really struggling to find anything either a pro or anti Pulis fan could disagree with in this (apart from Dawson being an excellent defender)

https://www.unibet.co.uk/blog/football/premier-league/west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-looks-out-of-his-depth-with-the-quality-at-his-disposal-1.954837

Good to read some thoughts from a neutral writer other than the 'Pulis keeps you up what more do you want' b0ll0cks spouted by the usual suspects like Merson etc



and yet they moan how boring games with us playing in them are
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on October 24, 2017, 02:29:32 PM
Think the damage is nearly done. Realistically after the next 'batch' of games we will probably be in a full blown relegation battle. So we can also kiss goodbye to a cup run as so called main players will get rested for the 3rd round and should we make it later ones.
He isn't keen on getting relegated but on the opposite side he isn't really keen on winning either.
That kind of policy will eventually bite you and I feel the jaws of the Championship are slowly closing on us.
Hope I'm wrong as I want PL at The Hawthorns but it's going to take some effort and a radical change in attitude.
I wasn't the biggest fan of big Ron as manager but we certainly looked the part on the pitch and put a lot of fear into opponents. Strange that we attacked teams - Show Tony a video !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 24, 2017, 02:35:54 PM
Quote from: Backofthenet on October 24, 2017, 02:29:32 PM
Think the damage is nearly done. Realistically after the next 'batch' of games we will probably be in a full blown relegation battle. So we can also kiss goodbye to a cup run as so called main players will get rested for the 3rd round and should we make it later ones.
He isn't keen on getting relegated but on the opposite side he isn't really keen on winning either.
That kind of policy will eventually bite you and I feel the jaws of the Championship are slowly closing on us.
Hope I'm wrong as I want PL at The Hawthorns but it's going to take some effort and a radical change in attitude.
I wasn't the biggest fan of big Ron as manager but we certainly looked the part on the pitch and put a lot of fear into opponents. Strange that we attacked teams - Show Tony a video !!

This is the point ive made in previous posts, or tried to.

Yes we play Premier League football, but who will honestly remember these years in a couple of decades?

My Dad always told me about the 78' team, and the era around then. Nobody in my generation will fondly remember the years under Pulis. Whether you like him or not, i'd put my mortgage on it.

Mowbray years are lightyears ahead of Pulis' era IMHO. After all, we did have the best midfield in the world back then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on October 24, 2017, 02:46:55 PM
I've just read that we paid £138000 for Willie Johnston at the time a club record.
What we got was a genius. I actually went to Wembley just to see him play for Scotland against England.
The players we have now wouldn't tie his boots- that's not entirely their fault.
Johnston was one of a few who were allowed to play, Big Cyrille, Laurie Cunningham, Super Jeff, even John Wile knocked it about when Giles was in charge.
It's not a difficult game - I'd love to know what they write on the clipboards they show players -
"Stop them scoring" or "Get a goal" are probably about the limit of understanding anyway.
Please give our players some freedom - let them show what they can do, don't try to make them do what they obviously can't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 24, 2017, 02:53:49 PM
Ian Wright's words...

Wright: I'd rather support Newcastle than West Brom or Stoke

Former Arsenal striker Ian Wright says he'd rather support a club with 'identity' than one 'standing still' even if they were relegated from the Premier League.

"If your players aren’t good enough at least the fans get a little bit of excitement in the Championship like Newcastle got. They come back, they’ve ridden that crest and now they’re on the move again. But to stand still like West Brom are, like Stoke are, I’m sorry – no."

Wright admits he feels sorry for supporters of those clubs adding: "You ask a West Brom if at the moment he’s happy standing still. I’m telling you, they can’t be."

Wright was speaking after Everton's Ronald Koeman became the third Premier League manager to be sacked this season, which brought the performance of the likes of Tony Pulis at West Brom and Mark Hughes at Stoke under scrutiny.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 24, 2017, 03:07:11 PM
Was reading through a few of the old match day threads from last season to see what the general concensus was whilst were in the winning run. Found the Watford 3-1 home win to be fairly telling, many comments of us being clinical, Phillips being on fire and set pieces papering over the cracks.

My post after that match:

Quote from: Fritzl Palace on December 04, 2016, 12:28:59 AM
Awful performance from us really and our ball retention was dire, but we scored at crucial times and were clinical, three on target three goals. Long may it continue I guess, though I long for the ability to string some passes together

Even at the peak of our powers last season, it was obvious where the problems lay.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 24, 2017, 05:28:24 PM
its interesting reading posts from those who want him and them who don't ,the question has already been asked towards those who still support him. what do you get from attending matches?
from my perspective I get

very little entertainment
very little excitement

I don't see any improvement in players, cannot think of a single player who has improved under his coaching.

these are the bare things i would expect to get for my money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on October 24, 2017, 06:01:33 PM
Pulis sets us up to be ultra defensive and we lose

Other managers set up to be attacking and lose

The problem we have is that our defensive players are average but look good because they are protected. And our attacking players look poor but are potentially good because they are given no support.

From an enjoyment perspective the other approach would bring the fans on board
but the stats show that you are more likely to get relegated
and there lies the problem - anything but relegation
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 24, 2017, 06:12:47 PM
it's about finding the right balance, attacking football don't necessarily mean relegation.

atm we are very defensive and boring.... football is dreadful and we still are not picking up results.

Pulis is a one trick pony, he clearly hasn't got a clue what's going on himself hence the excuses he keeps coming out with.

I dont care if we win the next 10 games, lose the next 10 games, end up in Europe next season or the championship.... I just don't want to see pulis in charge of us any longer.... it's depressing, boring, negative and making many fall out of love with OUR club.

Sometimes I wish I was as easily pleased as people like Legend, Jacko etc... but I'm not... I'm not expecting miracles or even silverware.... all I expect is no matter who we play against... we give it a go.

can't imagine how mind numbing it is for our players to be drilled to park the bus every single game regardless of opposition... especially the likes of Evans, chadli, Gibbs etc who have came from top clubs who play football... it's very clear pulis has no faith in HIS players.

The sooner he's gone the better, surely things can't get any worse than they are now?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on October 24, 2017, 06:31:15 PM
It's got to the point where I'm actually embarrassed to admit to anyone that I support the Albion. I've never been ashamed of the team, but right now i'd rather crawl under a rock until this whole sorry episode comes to an end. No one can admit to being proud of how the team plays. I don't know how the players can put up with it, week in, and week out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 24, 2017, 07:49:38 PM
AdamW & maresca, two cracking posts which hit the nail on the head.

I’ve only ever left one game early, last season against City I left before HT; I accept a hammering off the big boys, but explain to me how sticking 11 men behind the ball to still get thumped is better than having the balls to actually have a go, and maybe still get thumped.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 24, 2017, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 24, 2017, 06:12:47 PM
it's about finding the right balance, attacking football don't necessarily mean relegation.

atm we are very defensive and boring.... football is dreadful and we still are not picking up results.

Pulis is a one trick pony, he clearly hasn't got a clue what's going on himself hence the excuses he keeps coming out with.

I dont care if we win the next 10 games, lose the next 10 games, end up in Europe next season or the championship.... I just don't want to see pulis in charge of us any longer.... it's depressing, boring, negative and making many fall out of love with OUR club.

Sometimes I wish I was as easily pleased as people like Legend, Jacko etc... but I'm not... I'm not expecting miracles or even silverware.... all I expect is no matter who we play against... we give it a go.

can't imagine how mind numbing it is for our players to be drilled to park the bus every single game regardless of opposition... especially the likes of Evans, chadli, Gibbs etc who have came from top clubs who play football... it's very clear pulis has no faith in HIS players.

The sooner he's gone the better, surely things can't get any worse than they are now?!


You'd seriously put your own personal feelings over the club finishing top 7/ cup final going on a european tour? Seriously?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 24, 2017, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 24, 2017, 07:54:03 PM

You'd seriously put your own personal feelings over the club finishing top 7/ cup final going on a european tour? Seriously?
This ain't going to happen though is it? Not with anti football in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 24, 2017, 08:08:29 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 24, 2017, 07:54:03 PM

You'd seriously put your own personal feelings over the club finishing top 7/ cup final going on a european tour? Seriously?

So are you saying if pulis stays we will be finishing in the top 7 or achieving a cup final/European tour?

Pulis doesn't give a damn about this football club, us fans do..... we were here before him and will be here when he's gone.

if we were playing poor but picking up good results, just maybe it could be justified..... but his football is trash and we are not getting results, what can't you quite understand about that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 24, 2017, 08:39:35 PM
Quote from: Maresca Was A Baggie on October 24, 2017, 06:31:15 PM
It's got to the point where I'm actually embarrassed to admit to anyone that I support the Albion. I've never been ashamed of the team, but right now i'd rather crawl under a rock until this whole sorry episode comes to an end. No one can admit to being proud of how the team plays. I don't know how the players can put up with it, week in, and week out.

EXACTLY THIS.
I live near Blackpool and generally state with pride who I support, used to go down well. Now I can't even bring myself to wear a top with Albion on it.
Come on Mr. Lai, put us out of our misery. Pulisball has shamed our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RICH ONE on October 24, 2017, 09:07:38 PM
I am informed Mr Lai is due in the Country in the next few days to include watching the City Game. I just wonder a fans reaction against Pulis  on Saturday might force the Owner and the Chairman to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on October 24, 2017, 09:19:46 PM
Quote from: RICH ONE on October 24, 2017, 09:07:38 PM
I am informed Mr Lai is due in the Country in the next few days to include watching the City Game. I just wonder a fans reaction against Pulis  on Saturday might force the Owner and the Chairman to pull the trigger.

Well Pulis is hardly going to be selling the Albion brand in the Asian market, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 24, 2017, 09:21:37 PM
Quote from: RICH ONE on October 24, 2017, 09:07:38 PM
I am informed Mr Lai is due in the Country in the next few days to include watching the City Game. I just wonder a fans reaction against Pulis  on Saturday might force the Owner and the Chairman to pull the trigger.

I HOPE HE USES A MAGNUM 44
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 24, 2017, 09:35:07 PM
Obviously worried about the rumours:

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/10/24/allan-nyom-spirit-is-still-strong-in-west-brom-dressing-room/

Allan Nyom: Spirit is still strong in West Brom dressing room

Allan Nyom insists the spirit in the Albion dressing room remains strong and says the players will keep fighting until they turn their form around.

The Baggies are just two points above the relegation zone but Nyom, who came off the bench for the injured Jonny Evans during the disappointing defeat away at Southampton, says the league table is still tight so early on in the season.

And the 29-year-old says the players still have faith in what they are doing on the training ground under Tony Pulis.

“The spirit is strong, we are a strong team and everyone knows what they need to do,” he said. “We need to keep fighting. We’re not worried (about being dragged into a relegation fight).

“We have been very close to winning, sometimes we get draws, on Saturday we lost, but we’re going to carry on and keep working very hard in the training sessions to get the next three points.”

After winning the first two league games of the season, the Baggies haven’t tasted victory in any of their last seven.

They’ve scored just seven times in nine games so far and struggled to threaten the Southampton goal on Saturday.

But Nyom is confident the ball will start hitting the back of the net soon.

“Honestly, the league is very tight, every team has good players,” h said. “If you win two games you go straight back up the table.

“We’re going to carry on and try and win as many as possible. We are training very hard, and we are working on finishing in every session.

“We do special work for everyone, including the strikers. The goals are going to come, just be patient.”

Craig Dawson and Jonny Evans are both doubts for Saturday’s game against Manchester City, which means Nyom could be in line to start.

Pep Guardiola’s team have taken the league by storm so far, and are scoring for fun, but Nyom says the outcome is not a foregone conclusion.

“It’s football, you have to play against every team,” he said. “We know, especially in England, everyone can beat everyone. We just have to be ready and try to fight.”

Albion were poor on Saturday but they improved when Pulis shifted to a back three and played Nyom and Kieran Gibbs as wing-backs. The former Watford man is happy to play under either formation.

“We adapt to what the manager wants,” he said. “If he wants to play wing back I will play wing back, if he wants me to play right-back, I will play right-back, I don’t have a problem with that.”
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 24, 2017, 09:40:14 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on October 24, 2017, 09:35:07 PM
Obviously worried about the rumours:

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/10/24/allan-nyom-spirit-is-still-strong-in-west-brom-dressing-room/

Allan Nyom: Spirit is still strong in West Brom dressing room

Allan Nyom insists the spirit in the Albion dressing room remains strong and says the players will keep fighting until they turn their form around.

The Baggies are just two points above the relegation zone but Nyom, who came off the bench for the injured Jonny Evans during the disappointing defeat away at Southampton, says the league table is still tight so early on in the season.

And the 29-year-old says the players still have faith in what they are doing on the training ground under Tony Pulis.

“The spirit is strong, we are a strong team and everyone knows what they need to do,” he said. “We need to keep fighting. We’re not worried (about being dragged into a relegation fight).

“We have been very close to winning, sometimes we get draws, on Saturday we lost, but we’re going to carry on and keep working very hard in the training sessions to get the next three points.”

After winning the first two league games of the season, the Baggies haven’t tasted victory in any of their last seven.

They’ve scored just seven times in nine games so far and struggled to threaten the Southampton goal on Saturday.

But Nyom is confident the ball will start hitting the back of the net soon.

“Honestly, the league is very tight, every team has good players,” h said. “If you win two games you go straight back up the table.

“We’re going to carry on and try and win as many as possible. We are training very hard, and we are working on finishing in every session.

“We do special work for everyone, including the strikers. The goals are going to come, just be patient.”

Craig Dawson and Jonny Evans are both doubts for Saturday’s game against Manchester City, which means Nyom could be in line to start.

Pep Guardiola’s team have taken the league by storm so far, and are scoring for fun, but Nyom says the outcome is not a foregone conclusion.

“It’s football, you have to play against every team,” he said. “We know, especially in England, everyone can beat everyone. We just have to be ready and try to fight.”

Albion were poor on Saturday but they improved when Pulis shifted to a back three and played Nyom and Kieran Gibbs as wing-backs. The former Watford man is happy to play under either formation.

“We adapt to what the manager wants,” he said. “If he wants to play wing back I will play wing back, if he wants me to play right-back, I will play right-back, I don’t have a problem with that.”

written by

Tony Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 24, 2017, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 24, 2017, 08:08:29 PM
So are you saying if pulis stays we will be finishing in the top 7 or achieving a cup final/European tour?




Can you please show me where i said that, or even alluded to it please?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 24, 2017, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 24, 2017, 10:07:49 PM

Can you please show me where i said that, or even alluded to it please?

That must have been what you were implying as it's very obvious from my comment that I don't believe that will be a possibility.... so in that case your question was irrelevant in the first place.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on October 24, 2017, 10:30:47 PM
Was saying to my mate earlier knowing Pulis & the Albion we'l probably beat city at the weekend which will buy him more time. I want him gone as much as anyone else but the club won't get rid of him this season, even if we're in a relegation scrap come Christmas I think they will assess the options out there and the only bloke you'd take over Pulis in a relegation fight would be Allardyce which would cost the club millions in what would be a side step move.

I'm just hoping & praying that the board can see he's taken us as far as he can and are currently searching the length and breadth of Europe for the next Marco Silva, David Wagner etc who can come in next summer and inject abit of ambition & passion into the club because it's been sorely lacking for years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on October 25, 2017, 12:31:26 AM
Talking to a work mate about football in general and apprenticeships by coaches who have just finished playing. Where are all the up and coming coaches serving their time? Used to be that the lower leagues produced the next exciting manager stroke coach. Now  clubs are searching far and wide, what has happened to the UK manager / coach.?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2017, 12:50:39 AM
Quote from: paulosull on October 25, 2017, 12:31:26 AM
Talking to a work mate about football in general and apprenticeships by coaches who have just finished playing. Where are all the up and coming coaches serving their time? Used to be that the lower leagues produced the next exciting manager stroke coach. Now  clubs are searching far and wide, what has happened to the UK manager / coach.?


They're all tv pundits.


Giggs, Phil Neville etc. Should be managing in League 2 not living off their name and touting themselves around any PL job that becomes available.


Re Pulis.


Where do the Pulis out people see the club going? I can only see one reason to remove Pulis midseason from the club's point of view. A slump they consider Pulis can't arrest and the inevitable relegation battle that would ensue. Now were that to happen over the next 8 weeks what type of manager do you think they would replace him with? My take it'll definitely be another safe pair of hands an old school UK manager and would make a mockery of the complaints of the anti Pulis lot regards entertainment. The best thing that can happen for those fans is we stay up and thank Pulis for his service at the end of the season. Now there is obviously the risk he'll be asked to carry on but 2 and a half seasons is par for a relatively successful PL manager.


I envisage a parting of ways no earlier than May 2018.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 08:21:42 AM
trust me if we dont win any of the next 4 games he will be gardening, folk who say he will be here for the rest of his contract are kidding themselves
i would like to think after a pounding this saturday hes gone but i think he will get the huddersfield game to redeem.he should never be employed again for his football philosophies
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2017, 09:02:03 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 08:21:42 AM
trust me if we dont win any of the next 4 games he will be gardening, folk who say he will be here for the rest of his contract are kidding themselves
i would like to think after a pounding this saturday hes gone but i think he will get the huddersfield game to redeem.he should never be employed again for his football philosophies


Totally disagree but if that was to transpire this board would have little choice but to appoint more of the same. Starting the cycle of drudgery all over again. Rendering fan concerns regards intent and quality of football fruitless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on October 25, 2017, 09:22:18 AM
I was talking to a Burnley supporter and we got on to Dychh, who he agreed would probably go to Everton, however, he also added that he would be very pleased for Pullis to replace him. So, I don't think TP would have great difficulty in finding another PL post?
Actually I don't think Koeman is as bad as his record this season would appear - he finished at Everton with 41% win stat at Everton!?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 09:26:49 AM
i can understand the feeling of opposition supporters in saying they would take pulis to keep them in the greed league but once he gets into their veins like most albion and stoke fans its then WTF
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 25, 2017, 09:31:51 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 08:21:42 AM
trust me if we dont win any of the next 4 games he will be gardening, folk who say he will be here for the rest of his contract are kidding themselves
i would like to think after a pounding this saturday hes gone but i think he will get the huddersfield game to redeem.he should never be employed again for his football philosophies

If this was likely don't you think the club would have acted at the end of last season when we went on a 12 game winless run? I know we were safe but it still cost the club money due to the drop from 8th to 10th.
As much as I'd like Pulis to be gone soon, I think Jacko is right and that the earliest we will see him go is at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 09:35:12 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 25, 2017, 09:31:51 AM
If this was likely don't you think the club would have acted at the end of last season when we went on a 12 game winless run? I know we were safe but it still cost the club money due to the drop from 8th to 10th.
As much as I'd like Pulis to be gone soon, I think Jacko is right and that the earliest we will see him go is at the end of the season.



if thats the case i think he will take us down and god help us if we have to view this negative football in the league below. the bloke needs to hang his cap
I see Homer has given him the 3 game run where we play Palace, Newcastle and Swansea. most likely be two wins off safety by then
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnny Cash on October 25, 2017, 09:37:01 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 08:21:42 AM
trust me if we dont win any of the next 4 games he will be gardening, folk who say he will be here for the rest of his contract are kidding themselves
i would like to think after a pounding this saturday hes gone but i think he will get the huddersfield game to redeem.he should never be employed again for his football philosophies

Think it would be after Newcastle personally. It does feel like his time is coming to an end, although it may not be until the end of the season (or we are mathimatically relegated if that came first).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 25, 2017, 10:11:10 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 25, 2017, 09:31:51 AM
If this was likely don't you think the club would have acted at the end of last season when we went on a 12 game winless run? I know we were safe but it still cost the club money due to the drop from 8th to 10th.
As much as I'd like Pulis to be gone soon, I think Jacko is right and that the earliest we will see him go is at the end of the season.
Hate to say it but I also think he's right. If we are going to act and bring in a manager with a different philosophy, we have to do it now. The longer we leave it, the more inclined we'll be to go for Pulis markII, which would be ridiculous because no one does Pulis better than Pulis.
The next manager has to be a step change from the defensive dross we are seeing now and, sadly, that probably won't happen until the end of the season.
That being said, if I see the yellow banner running across the bottom of Sky Sports News any time soon, I will doing a little celebratory jig!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 25, 2017, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 09:35:12 AM


if thats the case i think he will take us down and god help us if we have to view this negative football in the league below. the bloke needs to hang his cap
I see Homer has given him the 3 game run where we play Palace, Newcastle and Swansea. most likely be two wins off safety by then

I think he'd be off before we got relegated, preserving his "never been relegated" status, or certainly if he did stay with us until the end of a relegation season he'd be off like a shot so I don't think we'd have to watch the negative dull "football" we are seeing at the moment in the Championship (a silver lining!).

I do think we'll get a win at Huddersfield but nothing then until the run of games at the end of November into mid December that Homer has mentioned by which time we'll be in the bottom 3, that is all based on our current form and style of play, should we decide to have a change in tactics and a more attacking performance then results may well change and we have a similar mid period to last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 25, 2017, 10:49:51 AM
As tedious as our football has become I didn't think for on minute we would get relegated.

If Pulis stays I really think we will.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 25, 2017, 10:51:54 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2017, 12:50:39 AM

They're all tv pundits.


Giggs, Phil Neville etc. Should be managing in League 2 not living off their name and touting themselves around any PL job that becomes available.


Re Pulis.


Where do the Pulis out people see the club going? I can only see one reason to remove Pulis midseason from the club's point of view. A slump they consider Pulis can't arrest and the inevitable relegation battle that would ensue. Now were that to happen over the next 8 weeks what type of manager do you think they would replace him with? My take it'll definitely be another safe pair of hands an old school UK manager and would make a mockery of the complaints of the anti Pulis lot regards entertainment. The best thing that can happen for those fans is we stay up and thank Pulis for his service at the end of the season. Now there is obviously the risk he'll be asked to carry on but 2 and a half seasons is par for a relatively successful PL manager.


I envisage a parting of ways no earlier than May 2018.

Thus highlighting my very fear, the fact I do not trust my club in the slightest to make an appointment of the ilk of what I would want. We would go for another safe pair of hands as you say and probably not all that much would change, but the football surely could not be any worse. Chance came in May 2017 but we decided to stick with what we had and are now paying the price for it, if I were a senior member at the Albion you would all be thanking me right now as I had persuaded Marco Silva to come in and play some football whilst also accruing the points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 10:56:24 AM
but we do have flair footballers who could adapt quite quickly. must do it soon though before radicalization has set in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 25, 2017, 11:12:43 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/10/25/give-tony-pulis-more-time-and-judge-him-in-december-says-supporters-club-chairman/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/10/25/give-tony-pulis-more-time-and-judge-him-in-december-says-supporters-club-chairman/)

Good article, talks a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 11:15:01 AM
nothing is going to change, hes had enough time. as long as i get an early xmas present i will live with it but i cant see it. if we dont get at least 4 points from the next 4 games with an inch of a football performance the bloke as got to go
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 25, 2017, 11:17:18 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 25, 2017, 11:12:43 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/10/25/give-tony-pulis-more-time-and-judge-him-in-december-says-supporters-club-chairman/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/10/25/give-tony-pulis-more-time-and-judge-him-in-december-says-supporters-club-chairman/)

Good article, talks a lot of sense.

Hadn't realised you had reached the lofty heights of supporters club chairman  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 25, 2017, 11:19:47 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 11:15:01 AM
nothing is going to change, hes had enough time. as long as i get an early xmas present i will live with it but i cant see it. if we dont get at least 4 points from the next 4 games with an inch of a fotball performance the bloke as got to go

I think something will change and that would be the points we accrue. If we give him until the end of the season I have no doubts still that he will keep us up, but that has never been my qualm. John Homer in that article speaks only about the points as if supporters only want him out because the points aren't what we might expect at the minute, whereas for me we could hit 50 points come the end of the season, but if we do that playing the way we currently are I would still want him gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 25, 2017, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 25, 2017, 11:12:43 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/10/25/give-tony-pulis-more-time-and-judge-him-in-december-says-supporters-club-chairman/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/10/25/give-tony-pulis-more-time-and-judge-him-in-december-says-supporters-club-chairman/)

Good article, talks a lot of sense.

Think some of his comments are a tad patronising, especially about older fans having more patience, I'm nearly 51 and mine has run out and many of the older memebers of this forum also seem to be in that position.

I like the bit at the end about playing 3 similar midfielders:
 "Playing three in midfield who are a similar ilk doesn’t work unless you’re trying to give someone a free rein to get forward.”

With our current tactics the only "someone" who has a free reign to get forward is sadly the opposition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on October 25, 2017, 11:33:12 AM
He'll be gone soon, most likely before Palace at home in December but if not then definitely after. I've tried to get behind him and he won me over for 4 months last season but he's reverted to type and is at his 'anti football' best right now. Some season ticket holders I know are not bothering to go and some of them are not even bothering to watch us on tv.  This is what he's done to us and it can't go on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on October 25, 2017, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2017, 09:02:03 AM

Totally disagree but if that was to transpire this board would have little choice but to appoint more of the same. Starting the cycle of drudgery all over again. Rendering fan concerns regards intent and quality of football fruitless.

Except I can't think of a single manager in world football who is as negative as Pulis so literally anyone is an improvement on that front. Also don't agree that the board would have "no choice but to appoint more of the same." Complete nonsense! If negative rubbish is failing, why on earth would you persist with it? That would match Einstein's definition of insanity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 25, 2017, 11:48:00 AM
Quote from: wbawill on October 25, 2017, 11:44:55 AM
Except I can't think of a single manager in world football who is as negative as Pulis so literally anyone is an improvement on that front. Also don't agree that the board would have "no choice but to appoint more of the same." Complete nonsense! If negative rubbish is failing, why on earth would you persist with it? That would match Einstein's definition of insanity.

Its failing on entertainment but its not failed on results at the end of the seasons..and unfortunatley thats what matters to the owners, and they have the power.....if this terrible form continues though he will be failing and i will be advocating a change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on October 25, 2017, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 25, 2017, 11:48:00 AM
Its failing on entertainment but its not failed on results at the end of the seasons..and unfortunatley thats what matters to the owners, and they have the power.....if this terrible form continues though he will be failing and i will be advocating a change.

The post I replied to was discussing the hypothetical situation of us losing the next 4 matches. I would argue however that it is currently failing on results. 2 wins in 9 is poor and it's atrocious when you add in the end of last season (which is relevant - people are deluded if they believe that won't factor into any decision the chairman makes).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 25, 2017, 12:34:14 PM
If Pulis did go we are in a different position to before in that we now have players who can do more than kick and run, a new coach coming in could easily improve the way we play without going to extremes, the players are now there to do it.

I said previous i think time to judge is December, unfortunately for Pulis he has put himself under a lot of pressure as before December we have 3 of the big guns and a growing number of disillusioned fans, sad things is it doesnt need to be like that.

Start of the season i really did hope that with the new quality of player we would improve on the pitch, Pulis has only had this situation once before in his career and that was his last two years at Stoke, he had some good players but not a lot changed and things turned sour, i was hoping he would learn from that time and not make the same mistakes again, however the longer time goes on the less i am convinced he has.

In a way the 3 of the next 4 matches are free hits, most fans are turning up expecting us to get beat, not just because its the big boys which is hard enough anyway but since the end of August we have seen little to suggest we would give them a game.

If i was Pulis i would be thinking whatever it is we have been doing, it hasnt been working, we are conceding goals, not scoring much and creating very few chances, the better players we have are not performing as they should, fans are turning, you have to give things time but after ten or eleven league of cup games we are going backwards.

I really think with a few tweaks - have some pace on the wings, have an attacking midfielder and move the forward players a few yards up the pitch we would be sorted, why not try it against for the next 5 or 6 games, teams know what to expect with us now, try something different, catch them out.

I think most fans expect us lose against the big boys but wouldnt it be great at least just to have a go, players would enjoy it more because as a professional i can imagine its very frustrating being asked to play as limited as they currently do, the fans would be a lot more positive, thus creating a much better atmosphere at the whole club, not just on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 25, 2017, 12:49:24 PM
Lets just say he did tweak things for the next few games and we still get trounced by Man C / Chelsea / Spurs (which is probable) would TP be saying "look what happens when we go for it, my way is more succesfull"

The only way out of the current doom & gloom and slide down the table is that we play more expansively and accrue points, which would then leave him almost obligated to stick with it.  Frankly I can't see him changing and even if he did we will still struggle against these big sides who are in blistering form currently.

We might pick up 3 points against Huddersfield away but even if we did we will be on  Played 13 and 13 points.

I cannot see how his position will be tenable by 26th Nov.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 25, 2017, 12:57:44 PM
I didn't want Pulis from the start, and found it incredible so many were willing to overlook his tactics so that we could stay up - as if that was all that matters.

The last few days people seem to have woken up to what I've been saying all along, but it won't last. If we pick up a few points over the next few games, it will all turn around again. Beat City on Saturday and it will be all 'Pulis knows what he's doing' and 'Be careful what you wish for'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 25, 2017, 01:00:21 PM
Beat city on Saturday and I'll change my avatar thingee to a Pulis photo.

I'll also park my unicorn outside the office !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 25, 2017, 01:08:34 PM
As much as I would love to see Albion win every match,  at this point in time even just a show of desire to win would be enough. Can't we even muster that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: A5HB on October 25, 2017, 01:23:50 PM
Like a few others on here I think Pulis has a good few weeks grace before the club put him under any real pressure. I think it will take the bad run of form to continue, is dropping into trouble and even staying there for a few weeks. They will initially back him to get us out of it I would imagine. He may get to the Newcastle and Palace games in a few weeks needing a result to save his job, especially if we don't get a win out of the next 4.

Only way I can see him going before then is if we get hammered on Saturday and then chuck in the same kind of non-performance at Huddersfield as we did on Saturday. A big or depressing defeat on Saturday with Lai watching may see the home crowd start to turn for the first time. Following that up with a non-event in our most winnable game of the 4 just before an international break (clubs often makes changes in those gaps) might force the clubs hand, especially if the away crowd at Huddersfield also produce a fairly negative reaction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2017, 01:24:30 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on October 25, 2017, 12:57:44 PM
I didn't want Pulis from the start, and found it incredible so many were willing to overlook his tactics so that we could stay up - as if that was all that matters.

The last few days people seem to have woken up to what I've been saying all along, but it won't last. If we pick up a few points over the next few games, it will all turn around again. Beat City on Saturday and it will be all 'Pulis knows what he's doing' and 'Be careful what you wish for'.


The chances of that are somewhere near to that of me winning the lottery on Saturday. Trust me, get to an online bookmakers, mortgage the house, spend your life savings, there is absolutely zero chance of us beating City unless they start out with about six players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 25, 2017, 01:41:24 PM
Quote from: Atomic on October 25, 2017, 01:24:30 PM

The chances of that are somewhere near to that of me winning the lottery on Saturday. Trust me, get to an online bookmakers, mortgage the house, spend your life savings, there is absolutely zero chance of us beating City unless they start out with about six players.

I am Pulis' bigest critic, but a tiny part of me actually thinks we could somehow beat City so all the Pulis lovers can come out the woodwork.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 25, 2017, 01:44:57 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 25, 2017, 01:41:24 PM
I am Pulis' bigest critic, but a tiny part of me actually thinks we could somehow beat City so all the Pulis lovers can come out the woodwork.

Sounds about right, the odd result will paper over all the cracks once again for many of his brown nosers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2017, 01:46:23 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 25, 2017, 01:41:24 PM
I am Pulis' bigest critic, but a tiny part of me actually thinks we could somehow beat City so all the Pulis lovers can come out the woodwork.


Won't happen mate. Not only are they leagues above us but the way we play will just play into their arms. Try to defend for 90 mins against City and they WILL score. That's us fkd then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 25, 2017, 01:48:46 PM
Got a feeling the Pulis haters will be gutted if we beat City.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 25, 2017, 01:48:46 PM
Got a feeling the Pulis haters will be gutted if we beat City.


we will never beat man city in a million years and we wont beat huddersfield either. the team we are most likley to beat if any at all might be chelski at home.
Sad to say but you have lost your tenner, you must have money to burn

say we did beat city he would still be getting 2 fingers and he can take williams with him too, shocking to have offered him a contract
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 25, 2017, 02:09:46 PM
Divide and conquer gentleman

This pulls loves vs pulis haters thing is pathetic.

lets not turn on each other for different views now...... very dinglesque
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 25, 2017, 02:11:38 PM
Ive given him the benefit of the doubt so far this year


But if its 4 wins or less from 18 games....well even i won't be defending him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 25, 2017, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 25, 2017, 01:48:46 PM
Got a feeling the Pulis haters will be gutted if we beat City.

I want to see us win as I always want to see us win, but the only thing that will make me want him to stay is a clear change in the way we play which will never happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 25, 2017, 02:23:07 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 25, 2017, 02:14:58 PM
I want to see us win as I always want to see us win, but the only thing that will make me want him to stay is a clear change in the way we play which will never happen.

Apart from when i did for for 4 months last year....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 25, 2017, 02:25:21 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 25, 2017, 02:14:58 PM
I want to see us win as I always want to see us win, but the only thing that will make me want him to stay is a clear change in the way we play which will never happen.

That's fair enough. I'm always of the view that results come first. Sure it would be great to have both results and entertaining football but it's  a tough balance to achieve. If we're in the relegation zone then I will be concerned but I still think we'll be comfortable. I think the plan will be for Pulis to stay until the end of his contract unless something disastrous happens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 25, 2017, 02:45:20 PM
I have heard many say I aye going again while Pulis is there. How many will come back if he goes? and will that be straight away eg for the next home game, and no matter who the next manager is, or wait for results to pick up if they do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 25, 2017, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on October 25, 2017, 02:45:20 PM
I have heard many say I aye going again while Pulis is there. How many will come back if he goes? and will that be straight away eg for the next home game, and no matter who the next manager is, or wait for results to pick up if they do.
Once people have found something else to fill their time, it is nigh impossible to get them back. He is slowly killing our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on October 25, 2017, 02:45:20 PM
I have heard many say I aye going again while Pulis is there. How many will come back if he goes? and will that be straight away eg for the next home game, and no matter who the next manager is, or wait for results to pick up if they do.


simples, he goes then i renew straight away. nothing worse than travelling 300 miles round trip inebriated off all the time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 25, 2017, 03:12:58 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 25, 2017, 02:23:07 PM
Apart from when i did for for 4 months last year....

...despite the fact that nothing changed other than Phillips had the ability to beat a man. We were still unable to pass the ball to each for the majority of that point, we were just clinical and scored a ruck load of set pieces.

See my post a few pages back quoting my post in the Watford game thread last season at the height of our winning streak. I identified the same problems that I am still seeing now, but don't let that stop you from trying to have a dig  :-*

Unlike many of the pro Pulis lot who have now cowered away in the corners because all that I have predicted has come to pass, I was still posting week in week out even through the 'good times' as I possess a backbone.

The likes of the Black Pearl who now comes on and views without posting would no doubt come out with the excuse of 'I have no time for people just constantly moan' whereas if you read the majority of the arguments on here, they are well structured and laid out and are now from the majority including the moderating staff who you can hardly say jump on a bandwagon as the majority, in credit to them, have remained faithful until it has reached the point whereby it is just so bad that surely no one can abide what we are currently serving up. I would love to see us go on a 5 game winning streak so that the likes of the Black Pearl return to posting in an attempt to laud it over those of us who have been critical at which point the even slightest bit of respect I still have for them would disappear.

No matter what happens I will continue to front up.

In fairness to Legend, I think most of what he says is ridiculous and an attempt to troll, even though he does believe it himself, he doesn't shirk a debate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 25, 2017, 04:04:18 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on October 25, 2017, 02:09:46 PM
Divide and conquer gentleman

This pulls loves vs pulis haters thing is pathetic.

lets not turn on each other for different views now...... very dinglesque

I wouldn't say people are turning on each other exactly, but clearly from some of the pulis fans comments on here... if pulis is critisised, they jump down your throat.

I've noticed that the people that have a dislike for pulis will praise him if he does well (which is not very often) but also express their thoughts/feelings if he gets it completely wrong (which is getting a bit of an habit now).

Where as the people that love pulis will praise him regardless and 99% of the time either won't admit or can't see when he gets it wrong.

I assume every one of us on here want to see our beloved club do well but I genuinely can't see the advantages of having pulis here... when he was appointed we were in a mess (that doesn't mean pulis was the only person that could save us), but he came in, stabilised us, cleared out some dead wood and until now he has got us some good quality players in.... but the football is embarrassing and we are no longer picking up results.

Personally I just can't bring myself to watch his football anymore, I gave in and renewed my tickets this season then straight away after watching us I regretted it, Leicester was my last game and will be so until he either changes his ways (which I can't see happening) or he is gone.

Slowly but surely he is sucking the football out of our better players and causing an atmosphere with the fanbase (also with the rumour that he is losing the dressing room).... when a player has such effect, that's the end for them so there is no reason why pulis should be invincible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 04:09:47 PM
Fritzl and adam well said indeed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBaggieMan on October 25, 2017, 04:41:44 PM
Division still exists among the Stoke fans even after all this time. Wish they would take Pulis back!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 25, 2017, 04:44:43 PM
I don't like his football , its returned so far this season to its very worse especially when you look at the players we have now .
I can just about cope with the god awful passing when we get a win or give one if the big boys a black eye.
I will say he took over an awful squad with some attitude issues from a bloke well out of his depth . I will also add Pulis has attracted some decent players here ( yes we know what happens to them) and it seems got the powers that be to think bigger with fees/wages .
I hope to look back on Pulis's reign where some real building blocks started despite the football style and maybe in the future he will get some credit for that.
As much as I've had enough ,( I openly posted for me he'd have gone in the Summer) I'm far from sure about sacking him right now , after Huddersfield or just before Xmas unless things get really bad. We are only 9 games in with a lot of new faces and a new system that isn't working in all fairness , don't get me wrong I feel he's under pressure right now but not enough to pull the trigger just yet.
I just don't see anybody out there who ticks all the boxes to extend our top flight stay coming in and being an instant hit which is what it will take in reality .
In an ideal world we'll pick enough form up to survive and part company with Pulis the moment the season finishes giving someone a fresh start.
Not Anti Pulis , Not Pro Pulis just a concerned Albion fan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 25, 2017, 05:11:39 PM
I wouldn't employ Tony Pulis as a manager of my football club because, for me, everything about his football philosophy stinks but I also have concerns over dismissing him. I can't see the board sacking him for his "style" of play mid season, because ultimately everyone knows what he does and there was plenty of time to do that during the summer but even then the appetite was to give him a contract extension (Also Pepe Mel is an example of changing philosophy half way through a season and we only got away with that due to our senior pros and coaches)
Therefore he will only get the sack midseason, in my opinion, if we are in a position that threatens our Premier League status. If this is the case, I'd anticipate the board employing a different "Pulis" and therefore as a club us not being much better off anyway.

For what it's worth, if you've put up with TP this long (I gave up a long time ago) then see out another pooh season of entertainment and hope and pray that the board see sense in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on October 25, 2017, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on October 25, 2017, 02:45:20 PM
I have heard many say I aye going again while Pulis is there. How many will come back if he goes? and will that be straight away eg for the next home game, and no matter who the next manager is, or wait for results to pick up if they do.

I'm Wheelchair bound I say this not for sympathy or any knackers like that. The Footy's a chance for me to catch up with an ablebodied friend who I rarely see between games it also gives family and one of my carer's a much needed break from having to look after me for an afternoon. What this got to do with the price of milk you may think? The thing is neither of us can stomach the playstyle anymore. For me it goes back to the Villa game where he played for a draw. I renewed as it got me out the house at least once a fortnight. I've been going regularly since Megson's first tenure. I understood when we had to play rubbish football because of the money restaints coming out of the 90's. I understand I pay less than a normal adult fan for my ST, but, I save up all year in order to buy it It's my biggest luxary spend for myself. I've explained it gives people close some time for themselves I genuinely love the club and think we should be pushing on to try for the top ten each season. Pulis grinds for 40pts and is then on the beach. Surely I can't the only one whose noticed manager's of his style have all but died out? I'm boycotting Pulis but never the club. My buddy and me may go the cinema or pub now instead of the game. As soon as pulis goes I'll be back. I do hope it soon as I miss it :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on October 25, 2017, 05:50:59 PM
I'm Wheelchair bound I say this not for sympathy or any knackers like that. The Footy's a chance for me to catch up with an ablebodied friend who I rarely see between games it also gives family and one of my carer's a much needed break from having to look after me for an afternoon. What this got to do with the price of milk you may think? The thing is neither of us can stomach the playstyle anymore. For me it goes back to the Villa game where he played for a draw. I renewed as it got me out the house at least once a fortnight. I've been going regularly since Megson's first tenure. I understood when we had to play rubbish football because of the money restaints coming out of the 90's. I understand I pay less than a normal adult fan for my ST, but, I save up all year in order to buy it It's my biggest luxary spend for myself. I've explained it gives people close some time for themselves I genuinely love the club and think we should be pushing on to try for the top ten each season. Pulis grinds for 40pts and is then on the beach. Surely I can't the only one whose noticed manager's of his style have all but died out? I'm boycotting Pulis but never the club. My buddy and me may go the cinema or pub now instead of the game. As soon as pulis goes I'll be back. I do hope it soon as I miss it :(

well said mate. like you I miss the whole matchday occasion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 25, 2017, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 25, 2017, 02:25:21 PM
That's fair enough. I'm always of the view that results come first. Sure it would be great to have both results and entertaining football but it's  a tough balance to achieve. If we're in the relegation zone then I will be concerned but I still think we'll be comfortable. I think the plan will be for Pulis to stay until the end of his contract unless something disastrous happens.

This season I feel will come down to who is the bravest   .Those who will go and try to win a game instead of defending and hoping to nick it on a set piece. Those who  will be brave  in the january transfer wiindow and strengthen where they are weak . Crucially those who have a Premiership forward line who take their chances when they arise .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 25, 2017, 07:30:40 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on October 25, 2017, 02:45:20 PM
I have heard many say I aye going again while Pulis is there. How many will come back if he goes? and will that be straight away eg for the next home game, and no matter who the next manager is, or wait for results to pick up if they do.

I will Kev, would even get half ST if it happens before Xmas
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 25, 2017, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on October 25, 2017, 05:50:59 PM
I'm Wheelchair bound I say this not for sympathy or any knackers like that. The Footy's a chance for me to catch up with an ablebodied friend who I rarely see between games it also gives family and one of my carer's a much needed break from having to look after me for an afternoon. What this got to do with the price of milk you may think? The thing is neither of us can stomach the playstyle anymore. For me it goes back to the Villa game where he played for a draw. I renewed as it got me out the house at least once a fortnight. I've been going regularly since Megson's first tenure. I understood when we had to play rubbish football because of the money restaints coming out of the 90's. I understand I pay less than a normal adult fan for my ST, but, I save up all year in order to buy it It's my biggest luxary spend for myself. I've explained it gives people close some time for themselves I genuinely love the club and think we should be pushing on to try for the top ten each season. Pulis grinds for 40pts and is then on the beach. Surely I can't the only one whose noticed manager's of his style have all but died out? I'm boycotting Pulis but never the club. My buddy and me may go the cinema or pub now instead of the game. As soon as pulis goes I'll be back. I do hope it soon as I miss it :(

It's a shame what the dinosaur is doing to this club and it's fans.

The premier league is slated by many for being a 'greed league'... yet there are people that are desperate for pulis to stay because they believe he is the only person suitable for us... and ironically keep us in this league that they slate.

I've asked the question many times, "what is an advantage of having pulis over anyone else"... no one can still seem to answer and all they refer to is the 'purple patch that they keep clinging onto for abit of hope... which in reality, we didn't exactly play like Barcelona.. we just improved on our dire form for a handful of months before stepping back into the reality of pulisball.

his football is trash, can't score, can't defend, can't string 2 passes together, can't keep possession, can't seem to get results....his attitude towards 'football' in general is poor, constantly trying to find excuses as to why the opposition will beat us .. along with the fact that he sla**ed our very own fans off in one particular interview... I fail to see why his love children are desperate to keep him here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
once we are in the bottom 3 like with bomber I will start a campaign this time for sad reasons but it needs to be done not just for the love of the albion but for the love of football in general. Keith/john are you in mate
again sad to say we are embarrassing our great name with this non football that most pundits are now agreeing with
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on October 25, 2017, 08:04:27 PM
Anybody know how much the contract extention is for in wages? Ithink his position becomes truly untenable if we lose to Huddersfield then Chelsea finishes him off. It sicken that I want us to lose but the only thing he has left is never been relegated. People are deluded if they think he'd risk that on us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: deejay on October 25, 2017, 09:27:14 PM
I've not been or here for ages but feel compelled top add to the Pulis Out campaign now that we are two points above Everton who We all know are about to improve . We needed Pulis after the Irvine , Mel disaster but blimey this is just the worst football we have ever played in our entire history . I feel the players are good enough but with Pulis barking out orders like a Sunday Morning wannabe now with added pressure of Lord Megson doing the same (Yes I am eternally grateful and I will never forget how good Gary was for the Albion, but just feel We didn't need him back) How can we expect these players to perform . We went tiny steps forward after Robson we had top half finishes with Clarke , Hodgeson and Roberto but Pulis has taken us to darker times It was more fun in Div 3 than this . We are due to be remembered forever like Stoke are (probably unfairly ) Pulis out this is anti football I live in Australia now but if I was still there I'd have to say I probably wouldn't renew my season ticket with Pulis in charge
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: deejay on October 25, 2017, 09:29:53 PM
Please no Bed sheets or walk outs but You could buy a load of cheap Caps and skim em on the pitch when we go 4 down V Man City
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 25, 2017, 10:56:33 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 25, 2017, 07:36:59 PM
It's a shame what the dinosaur is doing to this club and it's fans.

The premier league is slated by many for being a 'greed league'... yet there are people that are desperate for pulis to stay because they believe he is the only person suitable for us... and ironically keep us in this league that they slate.

I've asked the question many times, "what is an advantage of having pulis over anyone else"... no one can still seem to answer and all they refer to is the 'purple patch that they keep clinging onto for abit of hope... which in reality, we didn't exactly play like Barcelona.. we just improved on our dire form for a handful of months before stepping back into the reality of pulisball.

his football is trash, can't score, can't defend, can't string 2 passes together, can't keep possession, can't seem to get results....his attitude towards 'football' in general is poor, constantly trying to find excuses as to why the opposition will beat us .. along with the fact that he sla**ed our very own fans off in one particular interview... I fail to see why his love children are desperate to keep him here.

Here Here
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 25, 2017, 11:04:24 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
once we are in the bottom 3 like with bomber I will start a campaign this time for sad reasons but it needs to be done not just for the love of the albion but for the love of football in general. Keith/john are you in mate
again sad to say we are embarrassing our great name with this non football that most pundits are now agreeing with
Yes Glyn count me in I wanted to start one Saturday, but I'll wait until after the Huddersfield game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 26, 2017, 06:40:59 AM
If the only circumstances that will prompt the board to dismiss Pulis is a full blown relegation scare then I accept that given Williams background it is quite likely to be a more conservative appointment than I would hope for.

However given that it is simply impossible to appoint a coach who is more defensive than Pulis even a pragmatic safe pair of hands appointment will be almost by default be more attacking than Pulis. For instance I would never regard Mark Hughes as the poster boy for progressive football but in comparison to Pulis he is rightly regarded as a more progressive manager.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 26, 2017, 11:10:54 AM
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/tony-pulis-increasingly-open-about-hatred-football-friends-report

Here's a satirical article written yesterday on Pulis. Make of it what you will.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on October 26, 2017, 11:16:18 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
once we are in the bottom 3 like with bomber I will start a campaign this time for sad reasons but it needs to be done not just for the love of the albion but for the love of football in general. Keith/john are you in mate
again sad to say we are embarrassing our great name with this non football that most pundits are now agreeing with
Thought you had started it last season, with all the anti Pulis posts you put up on this site.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on October 26, 2017, 12:11:56 PM
We may get something out of tomorrow as I've just heard a rumour from a Man City fan at work - Guardiola knows we don't shoot and on the odd occasion we do it's well wide of the mark. So he's going to play 11 outfield players with no keeper!!
 And whilst we acknowledge that game will be difficult I don't think we should think that Huddersfield is a 3 point gift. They looked pretty impressive last week and their manager seems to know what he's at. - After all they actually attack teams and try to achieve something. At best a draw.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 27, 2017, 10:15:39 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on October 26, 2017, 11:16:18 AM
Thought you had started it last season, with all the anti Pulis posts you put up on this site.


I will if hes still here after huddersfield and we havent beaten them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 27, 2017, 10:33:16 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 27, 2017, 10:15:39 AM

I will if hes still here after huddersfield and we havent beaten them

Huddersfield are a good team, a draw would be a decent result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 27, 2017, 11:14:11 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 27, 2017, 10:33:16 AM
Huddersfield are a good team, a draw would be a decent result.

Grand scheme of things it would be. But seriously, you must not want much from Albion if you take that as a positive.

If that the only point we gain from the next 4 games, will you be happy?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 27, 2017, 11:41:13 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 27, 2017, 10:33:16 AM
Huddersfield are a good team, a draw would be a decent result.

Cannot believe I am reading that..........

Sadly given our state of play at present, it is probably true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on October 27, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
No offense, but when fans say "they're a decent team", it sounds as though you're preparing for defeat, and looking for an excuse. As an established PL team, our aim should be to beat those below us as a minimum. Yes, the PL is a tough league, but if we're not going to try then what's the point?

TP keeps saying we work ard, but the simple fact is in football, you don't always get what you deserve. He should know this and have a plan b.

Some fans will point to Huddersfield beating Utd the other week. And that's fair enough. But a few factors need to be taken into account. Man Utd aren't the team they once were. They let in two sloppy goals, something Utd aren't known for doing. And Huddersfield hadn't beaten them for years which gave them the desire to win. They will set up differently against us.

I'm trying to avoid saying TP out, as so many fans from different clubs want their manager sacked, but something had to change as the football is atrocious.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 27, 2017, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: 17GD on October 27, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
No offense, but when fans say "they're a decent team", it sounds as though you're preparing for defeat, and looking for an excuse. As an established PL team, our aim should be to beat those below us as a minimum. Yes, the PL is a tough league, but if we're not going to try then what's the point?

TP keeps saying we work ard, but the simple fact is in football, you don't always get what you deserve. He should know this and have a plan b.

Some fans will point to Huddersfield beating Utd the other week. And that's fair enough. But a few factors need to be taken into account. Man Utd aren't the team they once were. They let in two sloppy goals, something Utd aren't known for doing. And Huddersfield hadn't beaten them for years which gave them the desire to win. They will set up differently against us.

I'm trying to avoid saying TP out, as so many fans from different clubs want their manager sacked, but something had to change as the football is atrocious.

Huddersfield seem to have something that you cannot buy at present.....team spirit and believe.

Not sure we have that right now......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on October 27, 2017, 12:12:23 PM
You just know that Pulis will beat one of the next four opponents and draw with another, thus averaging a point a game the owners will do nothing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 27, 2017, 12:18:00 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 27, 2017, 10:33:16 AM
Huddersfield are a good team, a draw would be a decent result.


we are established with so called better players for pulis to keep his job for another week i would expect us to win this game, pressures on eh Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 27, 2017, 12:19:32 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 27, 2017, 11:14:11 AM
Grand scheme of things it would be. But seriously, you must not want much from Albion if you take that as a positive.

If that the only point we gain from the next 4 games, will you be happy?

I'm always of the belief that a point away from home in the Premier League is a decent result. I think 4 points from the next 4 games would be a good return considering those fixtures contain City, Chelsea and Spurs. I wouldn't be surprised if we picked up a couple of wins though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 27, 2017, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 27, 2017, 10:33:16 AM
Huddersfield are a good team, a draw would be a decent result.

Are you Pulis? He says this about every opponent we face as another of his excuses if we don't get anything.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brett on October 27, 2017, 01:18:25 PM
Well worth a read and comparison with the way that TP treats his players
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/the-miracle-of-ostersund/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 27, 2017, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on October 27, 2017, 01:11:16 PM
Spot on, i've given Pulis a lot of time and chances but i don't feel like anythings changing anytime soon. It seems to happen every time we hit the rock bottom of our dire form chart and there's a brief glimmer of hope we'll get someone new in, options A or B seem to occur;

Option A)
He'll grab a lucky win against one of the big teams from a single goal lead (90% chance of being a headed corner) and then probably a hard earned draw somewhere (probably Huddersfield) which will SEEM like a good result. It'll be deemed a hard earned 4 points, making the owners believe that we're performing at a good level and that'll be TP in the hotseat until Jan.

Option B)
We'll get one of our shock wins against one of the big boys, playing great football and seriously showing what we can do. We'll get excited about how this might be the first signs of a massive twist in which we were all wrong. Have the little grass shoots starting to finally show after months of sunless, negative football? Is it finally our time to shine and it's all come together? Will we be playing this sort of champagne stuff every game from hereon?

Confidence will once again be restored in the idea that this is some sort of master plan. The idea that next year we'll be playing great football, fighting for top 8/10 and that we Pulis is the man to take us forward. Alas, TP has bought himself time his time until Xmas. Now with new found team spirit and confidence on our side, we'll return to our dire Plan-A tactics for another 3 months before we rinse and repeat.

Option C)
We play awful football in all 4 games, garner some poor results and this time the manager truly has lost the fans and the dressing room and his position becomes genuinely untenable. (Bear in mind that during his whole time at Stoke and with us so far, this has never been the case despite how controversial he is).

I'll take your bets now folks ;D

Seem to have all the bases covered there. I will go for option C......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 27, 2017, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on October 27, 2017, 01:35:17 PM
Seem to have all the bases covered there. I will go for option C......

option D, He's toast.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 27, 2017, 01:38:28 PM
Just seen that Pulis said football chairman need to ignore social media as it works up a frenzy. He says he's met supporters who are fed up of chopping and changing managers. Have to agree, the reaction after a defeat on social media I find very OTT.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 27, 2017, 01:41:59 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 27, 2017, 01:38:28 PM
Just seen that Pulis said football chairman need to ignore social media as it works up a frenzy. He says he's met supporters who are fed up of chopping and changing managers. Have to agree, the reaction after a defeat on social media I find very OTT.

I wonder if he would admit to meeting the reams of supporters who want him out?....I thought not.

I'm actually starting to dislike the bloke himself lately which was never the case previously. There's stubbornness then there's what he is showing lately.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 27, 2017, 01:42:45 PM
Option B for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 27, 2017, 01:43:02 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 27, 2017, 01:38:28 PM
Just seen that Pulis said football chairman need to ignore social media as it works up a frenzy. He says he's met supporters who are fed up of chopping and changing managers. Have to agree, the reaction after a defeat on social media I find very OTT.

You've certainly got that fishing rod out today haven't you!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 27, 2017, 01:44:45 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on October 27, 2017, 01:43:02 PM
You've certainly got that fishing rod out today haven't you!

He has, he's Pulis in disguise isnt he.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnny Cash on October 27, 2017, 01:55:25 PM
Quote from: brett on October 27, 2017, 01:18:25 PM
Well worth a read and comparison with the way that TP treats his players
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/the-miracle-of-ostersund/

What odds on Potter one day managing here I wonder?

Seems like he will get a chance in England sooner rather than later, given what he has achieved so far.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 27, 2017, 02:28:39 PM
Quote from: johnny Cash on October 27, 2017, 01:55:25 PM
What odds on Potter one day managing here I wonder?

Seems like he will get a chance in England sooner rather than later, given what he has achieved so far.

I'd say highly likely under the previous regime because Peace was an Albion guy. This time sentiment doesn't mean anything. I also wouldn't expect McInnes to be in the running anymore like he used to be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 27, 2017, 02:52:25 PM
I know it's City this week, but does his pre match interview ever change?


Pulis said: "Man City are a different proposition. They are the form team in Europe, not just England. The performances they have put in and the goals they have been scoring means it will be a really tough game.

"The people who come to the ground tomorrow will watch a very, very good team. For West Brom to be playing one of the best teams in Europe is fantastic and we should relish it.

"They have been special this year. It is not just one player at Man City. There are six or seven who are right at the top of their game.

"He [Guardiola] has got what he wants and he is starting to show people what a fantastic coach he is.

"We want to give it the best go we possibly can. We know what we are up against and it will be tough, but we have to try and relax and work very aard."

West Brom come into the fixture having won just two of their last 18 Premier League matches and Pulis accepts Albion need to improve their recent form.

He added: "When working in the Premier League, there are such thin lines between success and failure. You only have to look back at our last three games.

"Against Watford, they score with the last kick of the game. At Leicester, I thought we did enough to win the match and against Southampton, a wonder goal finishes the game and gives it to them.

"The players have been really good, but they are as disappointed as anybody because we have been close in games.

"There are areas in which we have to improve which we have talked about.

"This league is never plain sailing. You have to point yourself into the wind and get on with it."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wobbs68 on October 27, 2017, 02:58:14 PM
He's getting his excuses in again early.  I'd like to be watching two very good teams, not just Manchester City.  We have the players.  For goodness sake let them off the leash a bit and play with pride.  It's highly unlikely that we will get anything out of tomorrows game but at least lets give it a good go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 27, 2017, 03:50:05 PM
Can't really argue with what he is saying. Whatever you think of Pulis he does speak a lot of sense and gives a honest view of the game.

He's right about fine lines. We could easily be at least 6 points better off. We aren't getting the breaks like last season. We are getting some key injuries too which aren't helping things. We have to improve no doubt about that but we have a really good habit of bouncing back under Pulis and I think a good run is just around the corner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 27, 2017, 03:55:24 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 27, 2017, 03:50:05 PM
Can't really argue with what he is saying. Whatever you think of Pulis he does speak a lot of sense and gives a honest view of the game.

He's right about fine lines. We could easily be at least 6 points better off. We aren't getting the breaks like last season. We are getting some key injuries too which aren't helping things. We have to improve no doubt about that but we have a really good habit of bouncing back under Pulis and I think a good run is just around the corner.


When you clear your desk Tone dont forget your cap and shiny white trainers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 27, 2017, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 27, 2017, 03:50:05 PM
Can't really argue with what he is saying. Whatever you think of Pulis he does speak a lot of sense and gives a honest view of the game.

He's right about fine lines. We could easily be at least 6 points better off. We aren't getting the breaks like last season. We are getting some key injuries too which aren't helping things. We have to improve no doubt about that but we have a really good habit of bouncing back under Pulis and I think a good run is just around the corner.
If, should, could maybe we are where we are with the points we've got (not enough) What injuries are you on about not helping? Pulis out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on October 27, 2017, 04:11:26 PM
The people who come to the ground tomorrow will see one of Europe’s top team .... hey Tone I go to watch WBA I do not care who the opposition is however I won’t be there tomorrow hell I won’t even be watching it on a live stream either because I already know what a pile of crock system and tactics you are going to use. But I guess you will class me as a social media users so I don’t matter .... have we still got 4000 seats spare?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 27, 2017, 04:49:58 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 27, 2017, 03:55:24 PM

When you clear your desk Tone dont for get your cap and shiny white trainers


 ;)

He IS Pulis isn't he.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 27, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
Quote from: albion59 on October 25, 2017, 11:04:24 PM
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Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on October 27, 2017, 05:23:57 PM
This thread is doing my head in,its mostly the same points being brought up almost all the time,then there are the few posters imo who wind the others up just to get a reaction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 27, 2017, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on October 27, 2017, 04:49:58 PM

 ;)

He IS Pulis isn't he.
no chance, he's far too positive to be Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on October 27, 2017, 05:29:37 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 27, 2017, 02:52:25 PM
I know it's City this week, but does his pre match interview ever change?


Pulis said: "Man City are a different proposition. They are the form team in Europe, not just England. The performances they have put in and the goals they have been scoring means it will be a really tough game.

"The people who come to the ground tomorrow will watch a very, very good team. For West Brom to be playing one of the best teams in Europe is fantastic and we should relish it.

"They have been special this year. It is not just one player at Man City. There are six or seven who are right at the top of their game.

"He [Guardiola] has got what he wants and he is starting to show people what a fantastic coach he is.

"We want to give it the best go we possibly can. We know what we are up against and it will be tough, but we have to try and relax and work very aard."

West Brom come into the fixture having won just two of their last 18 Premier League matches and Pulis accepts Albion need to improve their recent form.

He added: "When working in the Premier League, there are such thin lines between success and failure. You only have to look back at our last three games.

"Against Watford, they score with the last kick of the game. At Leicester, I thought we did enough to win the match and against Southampton, a wonder goal finishes the game and gives it to them.

"The players have been really good, but they are as disappointed as anybody because we have been close in games.

"There are areas in which we have to improve which we have talked about.

"This league is never plain sailing. You have to point yourself into the wind and get on with it."

You omitted the last and most important sentence of his interview ........
"The disappointing thing is we've got players within the group that, if put in the team, could help us."
Well Tony, have you forgotten who picks the ruddy team?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 27, 2017, 06:24:10 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 27, 2017, 03:50:05 PM
Can't really argue with what he is saying. Whatever you think of Pulis he does speak a lot of sense and gives a honest view of the game.

He's right about fine lines. We could easily be at least 6 points better off. We aren't getting the breaks like last season. We are getting some key injuries too which aren't helping things. We have to improve no doubt about that but we have a really good habit of bouncing back under Pulis and I think a good run is just around the corner.

But we are not, plain and simple.

We have won 2 games this season, dropped shed loads of points... not because we have been unlucky, but simply because we have been completely shocking.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 27, 2017, 06:53:30 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on October 27, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
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understood Phil. chaps will pm you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on October 27, 2017, 07:03:50 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on October 27, 2017, 06:24:10 PM
But we are not, plain and simple.

We have won 2 games this season, dropped shed loads of points... not because we have been unlucky, but simply because we have been completely shocking.

Yes...this and exactly this, plus more...he doesn't say that burnley missed sitters galore, that Leicester fully deserved a point, none could have complained if Watford had won, Stoke and West Ham were the better teams or that s'ton could have been 3 up by half time. I don't want him to fail but I think it's too late
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 27, 2017, 07:12:16 PM
Quote from: kanu on October 27, 2017, 07:03:50 PM
Yes...this and exactly this, plus more...he doesn't say that burnley missed sitters galore, that Leicester fully deserved a point, none could have complained if Watford had won, Stoke and West Ham were the better teams or that s'ton could have been 3 up by half time. I don't want him to fail but I think it's too late

As he is in charge here, him failing will have an effect on our club....even if its only our league position come the end of the season so I don't want to see him fail either but the growing number of fans that are wanting him gone speaks volumes and after our next 2 games if we don't show any positive signs that number will increase rapidly. (even if it is man city next, there is losing the pulis way then there is having a go putting your all in and losing... massive difference).

Once the fans have turned, its just a losing battle and a matter of time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on October 27, 2017, 07:21:34 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 27, 2017, 02:52:25 PM
I know it's City this week, but does his pre match interview ever change?

Pulis said: "Against Watford, they score with the last kick of the game. At Leicester, I thought we did enough to win the match and against Southampton, a wonder goal finishes the game and gives it to them."

Funny how he never mentions that we completely mugged Burnley. Had Mahrez not missed an open goal at 0-0 we would have lost the game at Leicester as well. Just the usual head in the sand approach. Any guesses what point we start time wasting tomorrow?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 27, 2017, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on October 27, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
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No problem Phil apologises didnt realise we shouldn't be discussing it  won't happen again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on October 27, 2017, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on October 27, 2017, 07:21:34 PM
Funny how he never mentions that we completely mugged Burnley. Had Mahrez not missed an open goal at 0-0 we would have lost the game at Leicester as well. Just the usual head in the sand approach. Any guesses what point we start time wasting tomorrow?
Probably in the tunnel on the way out onto the pitch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on October 27, 2017, 08:48:10 PM
Matt Wilson reports that TP has approached the Chairman and asked him not to bow to social media pressure from supporters....as David Bowie said "Under Pressure" !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 27, 2017, 08:49:05 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on October 27, 2017, 08:40:06 PM
Probably in the tunnel on the way out onto the pitch.
Isn't that one of Mourinho's tactic?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 27, 2017, 08:58:36 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on October 27, 2017, 08:48:10 PM
Matt Wilson reports that TP has approached the Chairman and asked him not to bow to social media pressure from supporters....as David Bowie said "Under Pressure" !!!
At least he knows how some people feel.
How long can he ignore what they want?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 27, 2017, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on October 27, 2017, 08:48:10 PM
Matt Wilson reports that TP has approached the Chairman and asked him not to bow to social media pressure from supporters....as David Bowie said "Under Pressure" !!!
Isn't it that TP calls for chairmen in general to ignore social media pressure from fans ? Could say it's in his interest but it's a bit different to how you read it. I doubt Matt Wilson would know about it if TP had phoned JW or Lai directly.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 27, 2017, 11:40:01 PM
I do wonder if Pulis realises that the fans on social media are "real" and that they exist outside of the realm of social media. The  fall out from last week's televised debacle is a genuine groundswell of opinion which is highly critical of him.

Yes sometimes the powers that be respond too quickly to a volatile fan base but I am fairly sure that Williams is experienced enough not to react to every bump in the road. That said we are in a prolonged spell of relegation form across the calendar year and barely above it for the season, with that sort of record there is no board that will hold their nerve in the face of mounting fan criticism. There is no doubt the clock is ticking but the alarm won't go off for a few more games yet.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 28, 2017, 09:48:47 AM
Pressure builds when people travel long hours to away games to watch pooh , a team devoid of ideas hoping to nick it on a set piece. Social media is a platform for people to let off steam , good job he wasn't the one in charge v Woking or the one who had a fan confront him like Gould or Smith . Even his own players look bored .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on October 28, 2017, 11:06:43 AM
If Mr Williams has eyes he knows what he needs to do, or he can go as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 12:21:18 PM
Quote from: Throstletown on October 28, 2017, 11:06:43 AM
If Mr Williams has eyes he knows what he needs to do, or he can go as well.


JP would no doubt be ready to fire the trigger by now, Williams is weak and should also be replaced
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on October 28, 2017, 12:38:43 PM
This just about sums it up

http://www.o-posts.com/premier-league/pulis-management-running-steam/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 28, 2017, 12:57:15 PM
Quote from: johnny Cash on October 27, 2017, 01:55:25 PM
What odds on Potter one day managing here I wonder?

Seems like he will get a chance in England sooner rather than later, given what he has achieved so far.
Brian potter with Ray Von as asst manager, now that would get me to renew
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 04:44:51 PM
You are spent , not a clue . Go now and take all your staff with you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 04:56:04 PM
The second probably kept him in a job for another week. Shocking and utter boring but they only beat us by 1 I hear some of you cry
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 28, 2017, 04:57:07 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 04:44:51 PM
You are spent , not a clue . Go now and take all your staff with you

A deaf old man in the wilderness who just stares blankly into space...No ideas and no clue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 05:02:14 PM
Hopefully another step closer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on October 28, 2017, 05:03:03 PM
I'm done with him. Go now and take Megson with you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 05:08:30 PM
3 wins in 22
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 05:08:49 PM
Anyone criticising him directly based on today's match is just making themselves look silly.  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 05:10:00 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 05:08:49 PM
Anyone criticising him directly based on today's match is just making themselves look silly.  ::)


hes the head he picks the team and chooses the way we play. lost the dressing room
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 28, 2017, 05:11:06 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 05:08:49 PM
Anyone criticising him directly based on today's match is just making themselves look silly.  ::)
Not just on today's debacle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 05:11:55 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 28, 2017, 05:11:06 PM
Not just on today's debacle.


There is your first problem, today wasn't a debacle, not even close.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 28, 2017, 05:14:44 PM
Did you watch the match?
They just strolled around a bunch of old men who had to do as the officer in charge told them to do.
Squaddies going over the wall while the general smokes a big cigar knowing he is safe.
Colonel Blimp style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 05:15:49 PM
the situation we have here is we have absolutely nothing to look forward to with this negative I wont call it football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 28, 2017, 05:18:30 PM
I want to be positive, but how can I be with him and his style?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 28, 2017, 05:22:06 PM
Anybody that can defend that rubbish needs to give their head a wobble.

The moment Rodriquez literally stood still on the ball on the halfway line, without a clue what to do, with no Albion player wanting the ball despite being 2 goals down at Home is the moment any Albion fan should accept enough is enough.

Embarrassing. Tactically TP is arguably the worst manager the Premier League has ever seen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 05:23:04 PM
just heard a fan on wm say he needs time to build a team, that's so funny ffs .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 28, 2017, 05:31:19 PM
We can not lost by one....

21% possession
59% pass success rate based on only 250 passes.
6 shots in total.

Shambles. If you like it, please explain why.

You are meant to love Albion, not the teams we play. Please tell me why you love Albion with this style being served up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 28, 2017, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 05:23:04 PM
just heard a fan on wm say he needs time to build a team, that's so funny ffs .
Have you no patience?  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 05:35:00 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 05:11:55 PM

There is your first problem, today wasn't a debacle, not even close.

Correct - today wasn't a debacle, but this year has been a debacle. Of course that doesn't suit your argument does it, but we are heading toward the bottom three with a team that shows no signs of form.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 28, 2017, 05:41:03 PM
I've been saying it for a while now...

Pulis needs to start Yacob and Brunt. With Brunt you get top quality set-piece delivery. Pulis's teams depend on set-pieces. This season we've been getting them but haven't been capitalising on them as Brunt is not played. He's not the best from open play, and under another manager the bench would be best - but for a manager who loves to attack set-pieces, Brunt is vital (or at the very least, Matt Philips)

Secondly, he needs to drop Livermore who offers absolutely nothing and Yacob is far better at defending. We're leaking in goals which is killing us and Yacob is the answer. Put him in the middle and suddenly we look like the stubborn, hard-to-beat team which could put up a decent fight.

I think it's stubbornness from Pulis. He spent a good amount of money on Livermore and Gibbs/Rodriguez so he can't come to dropping any of them, which means the team suffers as a result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 05:41:14 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 05:35:00 PM
Correct - today wasn't a debacle, but this year has been a debacle. Of course that doesn't suit your argument does it, but we are heading toward the bottom three with a team that shows no signs of form.


Frazzle, listen mate you talk a lot of sense, but we have got an almost identical record to last year (2016). Clocked off once 40 points hit and a point a game for the first 10 games of the new season. If results don't improve like they did this time last year then we may have something to discuss re the Manager's position but currently it's a moot point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 05:43:44 PM
the group worked arrrd, what more can you ask
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 28, 2017, 05:45:14 PM
Today doesn't really matter. Regardless of who our manager was we were going to get schooled.

Next week is the big one. Lose and put in another park the bus performance and I'd be highly surprised if the board doesn't. at the very least. start putting together a potential shortlist behind closed doors
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 28, 2017, 05:46:22 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 05:43:44 PM
the group worked arrrd, what more can you ask
Just like a factory manager...
Work arrrd, but I don't know what the end result will be as gaffer.
If this was a factory, it would soon go out of business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 05:41:14 PM

Frazzle, listen mate you talk a lot of sense, but we have got an almost identical record to last year (2016). Clocked off once 40 points hit and a point a game for the first 10 games of the new season. If results don't improve like they did this time last year then we may have something to discuss re the Manager's position but currently it's a moot point.

Fine. I'm sitting in Glasgow, having spent another afternoon sat in front of a dodgy stream trying to watch the game while ignoring my kids. I'm also wishing I could be at the Hawthorns but resist because a few games a season costs a fricking fortune and there's mo way I'm travelling that far, and spending that much money to see this drivel. I'm seeing my team timewaste on 30 minutes. I'm seeing good players become worse. I'm seeing a manager fail to take any accountability for the tactics and the results. I'm seeing a year in which we've had barely any possession, shots, goals or points. I'm looking at the fact that we are the only midlands team in the premier yet we are driving fans away while Wolves are building momentum playing decent football. I'm remembering the awful years watching Barry Cowdrill, Kevin Steggles. The highs of Ozzie and Mowbray when you just knew that you would be off your seat. The lows of Gould, yet even under him we were more positive. I'm seeing the life sucked out of possibly the most talented squad we've had in years.

I've become less interested, less bothered, and today I hit the low of wanting us to lose. Currently I'm raging. I suspect many of us have these frustrations at the moment.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 28, 2017, 05:53:32 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 05:50:55 PM
Fine. I'm sitting in Glasgow, having spent another afternoon sat in front of a dodgy stream trying to watch the game while ignoring my kids. I'm also wishing I could be at the Hawthorns but resist because a few games a season costs a fricking fortune and there's mo way I'm travelling that far, and spending that much money to see this drivel. I'm seeing my team timewaste on 30 minutes. I'm seeing good players become worse. I'm seeing a manager fail to take any accountability for the tactics and the results. I'm seeing a year in which we've had barely any possession, shots, goals or points. I'm looking at the fact that we are the only midlands team in the premier yet we are driving fans away while Wolves are building momentum playing decent football. I'm remembering the awful years watching Barry Cowdrill, Kevin Steggles. The highs of Ozzie and Mowbray when you just knew that you would be off your seat. The lows of Gould, yet even under him we were more positive. I'm seeing the life sucked out of possibly the most talented squad we've had in years.

I've become less interested, less bothered, and today I hit the low of wanting us to lose. Currently I'm raging. I suspect many of us have these frustrations at the moment.

But we played city and only conceded 3 so everything is smooth sailing  ;D

apparently.  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on October 28, 2017, 05:59:00 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 05:50:55 PM
Fine. I'm sitting in Glasgow, having spent another afternoon sat in front of a dodgy stream trying to watch the game while ignoring my kids. I'm also wishing I could be at the Hawthorns but resist because a few games a season costs a fricking fortune and there's mo way I'm travelling that far, and spending that much money to see this drivel. I'm seeing my team timewaste on 30 minutes. I'm seeing good players become worse. I'm seeing a manager fail to take any accountability for the tactics and the results. I'm seeing a year in which we've had barely any possession, shots, goals or points. I'm looking at the fact that we are the only midlands team in the premier yet we are driving fans away while Wolves are building momentum playing decent football. I'm remembering the awful years watching Barry Cowdrill, Kevin Steggles. The highs of Ozzie and Mowbray when you just knew that you would be off your seat. The lows of Gould, yet even under him we were more positive. I'm seeing the life sucked out of possibly the most talented squad we've had in years.

I've become less interested, less bothered, and today I hit the low of wanting us to lose. Currently I'm raging. I suspect many of us have these frustrations at the moment.
Amen to that...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 28, 2017, 06:06:05 PM
Can't believe the reaction. Most of you predicted a hiding. We competed well. This City side smashed an in form Watford side 6-0, Stoke 7-2, Liverpool 5-0...

They are an incredible team. I thought the team and tactics were spot on, we made them play in areas where they couldn't threaten us. Obviously the quality prevailed but we gave them something to think about. Proud.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:06:17 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 05:50:55 PM
Fine. I'm sitting in Glasgow, having spent another afternoon sat in front of a dodgy stream trying to watch the game while ignoring my kids. I'm also wishing I could be at the Hawthorns but resist because a few games a season costs a fricking fortune and there's mo way I'm travelling that far, and spending that much money to see this drivel. I'm seeing my team timewaste on 30 minutes. I'm seeing good players become worse. I'm seeing a manager fail to take any accountability for the tactics and the results. I'm seeing a year in which we've had barely any possession, shots, goals or points. I'm looking at the fact that we are the only midlands team in the premier yet we are driving fans away while Wolves are building momentum playing decent football. I'm remembering the awful years watching Barry Cowdrill, Kevin Steggles. The highs of Ozzie and Mowbray when you just knew that you would be off your seat. The lows of Gould, yet even under him we were more positive. I'm seeing the life sucked out of possibly the most talented squad we've had in years.

I've become less interested, less bothered, and today I hit the low of wanting us to lose. Currently I'm raging. I suspect many of us have these frustrations at the moment.








I am sorry mate but anyone who wants their own team to lose are not a fan, regardless of manager. I knew this will appear soon, people wanting us to lose, utterly appalling attitude
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 28, 2017, 06:19:59 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 05:50:55 PM
Fine. I'm sitting in Glasgow, having spent another afternoon sat in front of a dodgy stream trying to watch the game while ignoring my kids. I'm also wishing I could be at the Hawthorns but resist because a few games a season costs a fricking fortune and there's mo way I'm travelling that far, and spending that much money to see this drivel. I'm seeing my team timewaste on 30 minutes. I'm seeing good players become worse. I'm seeing a manager fail to take any accountability for the tactics and the results. I'm seeing a year in which we've had barely any possession, shots, goals or points. I'm looking at the fact that we are the only midlands team in the premier yet we are driving fans away while Wolves are building momentum playing decent football. I'm remembering the awful years watching Barry Cowdrill, Kevin Steggles. The highs of Ozzie and Mowbray when you just knew that you would be off your seat. The lows of Gould, yet even under him we were more positive. I'm seeing the life sucked out of possibly the most talented squad we've had in years.

I've become less interested, less bothered, and today I hit the low of wanting us to lose. Currently I'm raging. I suspect many of us have these frustrations at the moment.
Move closer then if an issue! Jeeze us feckin cricky!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 06:22:04 PM
Only coach not to have won in 7
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on October 28, 2017, 06:26:32 PM
Quote from: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:06:17 PM





I am sorry mate but anyone who wants their own team to lose are not a fan, regardless of manager. I knew this will appear soon, people wanting us to lose, utterly appalling attitude

Rubbish
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 06:34:25 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on October 28, 2017, 06:19:59 PM
Move closer then if an issue! Jeeze us feckin cricky!

Eh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:35:45 PM
Quote from: chippyclarke on October 28, 2017, 06:26:32 PM
Rubbish





So you think it's ok to turn up and cheer on the opposition. My god what have we become. I'm speechless
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 06:36:21 PM
Quote from: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:06:17 PM

I am sorry mate but anyone who wants their own team to lose are not a fan, regardless of manager. I knew this will appear soon, people wanting us to lose, utterly appalling attitude


I disagree, I'm with frazzle on it. If your body has a cancerous growth on it, doctors cut it out in the hope that they've saved your life. I'll take some more losses if it pushed Pulis off the edge and out of our club. We will never improve otherwise. We have a decent squad and somebody with half a clue would make something of it.

I am certain frazzle cares. It's called frustration.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 06:37:49 PM
Quote from: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:06:17 PM





I am sorry mate but anyone who wants their own team to lose are not a fan, regardless of manager. I knew this will appear soon, people wanting us to lose, utterly appalling attitude

Says the 'fan' who recently said 'I didn't and couldn't even be bothered to follow yesterday's game let alone watch it.'

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 06:38:41 PM
Quote from: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:35:45 PM




So you think it's ok to turn up and cheer on the opposition. My god what have we become. I'm speechless

Cheer on the opposition? Your words not mine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:40:08 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 06:37:49 PM
Says the 'fan' who recently said 'I didn't and couldn't even be bothered to follow yesterday's game let alone watch it.'






Fair point but I didn't want them to lose. I never said that mate. I understand your frustrations but we've just lost to man city. Relax and save your anger for next week if we put a no show up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 06:36:21 PM

I disagree, I'm with frazzle on it. If your body has a cancerous growth on it, doctors cut it out in the hope that they've saved your life. I'll take some more losses if it pushed Pulis off the edge and out of our club. We will never improve otherwise. We have a decent squad and somebody with half a clue would make something of it.

I am certain frazzle cares. It's called frustration.


Now this is pathetic. Cancer? Kills millions worldwide yearly. Pulis plays football you don't find aesthetically pleasing. Bit of perspective needed. Really though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 06:41:20 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 06:36:21 PM

I disagree, I'm with frazzle on it. If your body has a cancerous growth on it, doctors cut it out in the hope that they've saved your life. I'll take some more losses if it pushed Pulis off the edge and out of our club. We will never improve otherwise. We have a decent squad and somebody with half a clue would make something of it.

I am certain frazzle cares. It's called frustration.

Exactly. My opinion, and it's only my opinion, is that for the good of our club Pulis needs to go, and if that means we continue our run of form to make it happen then so be it.

Top man can't even be bothered to follow the games so that's an opinion that means nothing to me at all. It's a worthless opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 06:42:33 PM
Quote from: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:40:08 PM



Fair point but I didn't want them to lose. I never said that mate. I understand your frustrations but we've just lost to man city. Relax and save your anger for next week if we put a no show up

Don't question whether I'm a fan or not then please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:43:05 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 06:41:20 PM
Exactly. My opinion, and it's only my opinion, is that for the good of our club Pulis needs to go, and if that means we continue our run of form to make it happen then so be it.

Top man can't even be bothered to follow the games so that's an opinion that means nothing to me at all. It's a worthless opinion.





No need to be rude mate please
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on October 28, 2017, 06:45:46 PM
Quote from: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:35:45 PM




So you think it's ok to turn up and cheer on the opposition. My god what have we become. I'm speechless
[/I didn't say that. I'm saying, there is nothing wrong in not wanting your team to win if it means you get rid of a manager, who has no idea of attacking football. I've been a supporter of Albion for almost 60 years - haven't lost my marbles yet - and this is as bad as I saw in the late 80's. We have good footballers here but they aren't allowed to show their attacking skills. Its a disgrace.
quote]
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 28, 2017, 06:50:01 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 28, 2017, 06:06:05 PM
Can't believe the reaction. Most of you predicted a hiding. We competed well. This City side smashed an in form Watford side 6-0, Stoke 7-2, Liverpool 5-0...

They are an incredible team. I thought the team and tactics were spot on, we made them play in areas where they couldn't threaten us. Obviously the quality prevailed but we gave them something to think about. Proud.

We had a go today Legend, and that's it. They still hardly broke sweat and they will have one eye on their game next week. Regardless of how many we conceded, we lost, which = no points... again.

Seen the league table lately?

3 wins in 22 now........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 06:50:31 PM
Quote from: chippyclarke on October 28, 2017, 06:45:46 PM
Quote from: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:35:45 PM




So you think it's ok to turn up and cheer on the opposition. My god what have we become. I'm speechless
[/I didn't say that. I'm saying, there is nothing wrong in not wanting your team to win if it means you get rid of a manager, who has no idea of attacking football. I've been a supporter of Albion for almost 60 years - haven't lost my marbles yet - and this is as bad as I saw in the late 80's. We have good footballers here but they aren't allowed to show their attacking skills. Its a disgrace.
quote]

It is that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on October 28, 2017, 06:50:01 PM
We had a go today Legend, and that's it. They still hardly broke sweat and they will have one eye on their game next week. Regardless of how many we conceded, we lost, which = no points... again.

Seen the league table lately?

3 wins in 22 now........

Nuff said. F off Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on October 28, 2017, 06:57:56 PM
So the boss says we gave them problems?? Problems staying awake maybe. I didn't go, but the guys on SKY said City should have been out of sight in the first 30 minutes. Pulis did improve on one thing over the Southampton game. He managed to get another defensive player into the team, giving us a total of 9 (Inc. foster). What a joke. How long before we ACTUALLY see 11 defensive players on the pitch. Excuse after excuse rolls off this guys tongue. This team should be comfortably mid table at least, and would be were it nor for the utterly negative tactics employed. And to think people actually pay to watch this rubbish??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 07:00:36 PM
Quote from: Maresca Was A Baggie on October 28, 2017, 06:57:56 PM
So the boss says we gave them problems?? Problems staying awake maybe. I didn't go, but the guys on SKY said City should have been out of sight in the first 30 minutes. Pulis did improve on one thing over the Southampton game. He managed to get another defensive player into the team, giving us a total of 9 (Inc. foster). What a joke. How long before we ACTUALLY see 11 defensive players on the pitch. Excuse after excuse rolls off this guys tongue. This team should be comfortably mid table at least, and would be were it nor for the utterly negative tactics employed. And to think people actually pay to watch this rubbish??


I do admire them
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on October 28, 2017, 07:07:15 PM
I imagine next weeks excuse for an ultra defensive line up will be along the lines of " Well they are smarting from their defeat last week, and they have so much quality in their squad"

I wonder if he would even attack Nuneaton away, let alone a mighty Premiership team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 28, 2017, 07:08:29 PM
Quote from: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:43:05 PM



No need to be rude mate please

You can tag 'mate' to your posts as often as you want but anyone who tells a fellow fan that they are not a fan knows it's the ultimate insult.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 28, 2017, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 07:00:36 PM

I do admire them

I pay to go and we looked like a pub team totally outclassed like a Sunday morning set of hackers . It was a training session for city.

There is a reluctance from certain people who cannot see judging by the phone in on radio wm that  the club is in decline and sleepwalking to relegation .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 07:36:53 PM
Quote from: Mo on October 28, 2017, 07:32:53 PM
I pay to go and we looked like a pub team totally outclassed like a Sunday morning set of hackers . It was a training session for city.

There is a reluctance from certain people who cannot see judging by the phone in on radio wm that  the club is in decline and sleepwalking to relegation .


I was listening to wm tonight they are the bbc though. they seem to find his love children
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 28, 2017, 07:40:41 PM
This league is harder than ever this season, we need to have a bit of patience and give Pulis time to sort us out. A win will give us confidence to go on a run then and start picking up points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 28, 2017, 07:40:41 PM
This league is harder than ever this season, we need to have a bit of patience and give Pulis time to sort us out. A win will give us confidence to go on a run then and start picking up points.


come on your getting boring now 3 wins in 22. hes done his job he cant take us any further. hes limited. I admire your support for him but you and jako will be his last two lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 07:43:00 PM

come on your getting boring now 3 wins in 22. hes done his job he cant take us any further. hes limited. I admire your support for him but you and jako will be his last two lol


I'm not even a fan of his but I cannot envisage any scenario where sacking him mid season will leave us better off. Whether that's quality of replacement, better results, better football or ensuring survival; I only see more of the same but with less chance of staying up. The time to sever ties with a coach whose personality is so ingrained in the playing staff is at the end of a season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 28, 2017, 07:53:27 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 07:49:35 PM

I'm not even a fan of his but I cannot envisage any scenario where sacking him mid season will leave us better off. Whether that's quality of replacement, better results, better football or ensuring survival; I only see more of the same but with less chance of staying up. The time to sever ties with a coach whose personality is so ingrained in the playing staff is at the end of a season.

In my opinion if Pulis is still head coach come the end of the season we will be playing in the championship next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on October 28, 2017, 07:53:40 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 28, 2017, 07:40:41 PM
This league is harder than ever this season, we need to have a bit of patience and give Pulis time to sort us out. A win will give us confidence to go on a run then and start picking up points.

There’s more rubbish in the Premier League now than there’s ever been. Trouble is we have regressed to the point where we look second rate compared to everyone else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Aztech on October 28, 2017, 07:53:27 PM
In my opinion if Pulis is still head coach come the end of the season we will be playing in the championship next season.


No chance we'll have those 40 points 2nd week in April imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 28, 2017, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 07:56:04 PM

No chance we'll have those 40 points 2nd week in April imo.

I believe we would have more chance with a different head coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 28, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 07:49:35 PM

I'm not even a fan of his but I cannot envisage any scenario where sacking him mid season will leave us better off. Whether that's quality of replacement, better results, better football or ensuring survival; I only see more of the same but with less chance of staying up. The time to sever ties with a coach whose personality is so ingrained in the playing staff is at the end of a season.
nowhere near mid season with 10 games gone, plenty of time for someone new too turn it around. i don't buy into the theory that only Pulis can save us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 28, 2017, 08:03:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 07:49:35 PM

I'm not even a fan of his but I cannot envisage any scenario where sacking him mid season will leave us better off. Whether that's quality of replacement, better results, better football or ensuring survival; I only see more of the same but with less chance of staying up. The time to sever ties with a coach whose personality is so ingrained in the playing staff is at the end of a season.

Agreed regarding change in summer but there has to come a point where we ask what is the benefit of him being here, he may keep us up yes but even at this early stage we can't seem to win games so could a new coach do any worse ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 08:06:24 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 28, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
nowhere near mid season with 10 games gone, plenty of time for someone new too turn it around. i don't buy into the theory that only Pulis can save us.


By mid season I mean during the season. He's signed what 7 new players. Trying to integrate 4 or 5 of them. 10 games isn't enough time to judge. Everyone has said well he's now got the squad he wants so it's time to judge him. Not on 10 games it isn't. If we are still struggling after 16/17 games then start thinking about getting rid. But we'd be more likely to go down without Tony Pulis than with him.


Quote from: Mo on October 28, 2017, 08:03:03 PM
Agreed regarding change in summer but there has to come a point where we ask what is the benefit of him being here, he may keep us up yes but even at this early stage we can't seem to win games so could a new coach do any worse ?


Yes a new coach could do infinitely worse. Ask the Valencia fans or the Sunderland fans. A new head coach could even do marginally better. Get relegated and leave. Ask the Hull fans about that one.


There are no guarantees in football except the refs are pooh and Pulis doesn't get relegated.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on October 28, 2017, 08:15:01 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 07:56:04 PM

No chance we'll have those 40 points 2nd week in April imo.

And then just stop bothering as usual. We exist in this league, we do not compete.

There's no danger of us going down IMO, but it's the lack of trying to better ourselves that really, really grates. And that boils down to one man.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on October 28, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 08:06:24 PM

By mid season I mean during the season. He's signed what 7 new players. Trying to integrate 4 or 5 of them. 10 games isn't enough time to judge. Everyone has said well he's now got the squad he wants so it's time to judge him. Not on 10 games it isn't. If we are still struggling after 16/17 games then start thinking about getting rid. But we'd be more likely to go down without Tony Pulis than with him.



Yes a new coach could do infinitely worse. Ask the Valencia fans or the Sunderland fans. A new head coach could even do marginally better. Get relegated and leave. Ask the Hull fans about that one.


There are no guarantees in football except the refs are rubbish and Pulis doesn't get relegated.  ;D

Pulis hasn't been relegated . Yet . That record is about to be severely tested .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 08:18:33 PM
Quote from: Mo on October 28, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Pulis hasn't been relegated . Yet . That record is about to be severely tested .


It was severely tested at Stoke and Palace and here cleaning up the mess he inherited from Irvine. Won't phase him at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on October 28, 2017, 08:51:30 PM
Thor was good. Another mate who is a bluenose came along as well. If he still here by Chelsea made plans to go to a kid friendly pub so my carer's missus can go Christmas shopping I miss the club and the things  round it but Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 28, 2017, 08:57:40 PM
At this point I don't think we will make it to 40 points. That is not to say we will be relegated as typically the line is around the 36 point mark however I think we can forget a top 10 finish and it could go down to the line.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chris-wba on October 28, 2017, 09:13:37 PM
Absolute travesty that we're starting games with three defensive midfielders. Could understand for games like today but not some of the teams we've played over the last few months.

And what excuse is there? He's had numerous transfer windows, time to get his team in order. We've had one of the best windows this summer that I can remember and we're still setting up like this. Completely unacceptable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on October 28, 2017, 09:19:08 PM
I understand the frustration. I think deep down we all knew we wouldn't get much change from city. They're the best. But we need to stick together. (At the risk of sounding like Bryan Ferry).

I for one thought today would be a cricket score, so to lose by one goal isn't too bad. And I'm sure that under a more attacking coach we probably would've conceded more goals today.

Tony has done a good job at preventing us from getting a few good hidings, but with the level of our club, it's likely to either be to fix the defence and the rest of the team suffers, or go for the attack and leak dozens of goals. If we leaked loads of goals everyone would be upset about that.

I'm going to play devils advocate now. What would you rather have:

+ sack tony and bring someone in and we end up mid-table (and possibly a little bored by April)

+ or keep him and go into the end of the season with some excitement, knowing we're in a scrap? (But knowing TP has never been relegated).

I for one want to see excitement and passion at the Hawthorns, I hate dull, lifeless performances. But what are the board most happy with, happy fans or a fat bank account?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 28, 2017, 09:25:29 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 07:43:00 PM

come on your getting boring now 3 wins in 22. hes done his job he cant take us any further. hes limited. I admire your support for him but you and jako will be his last two lol

Pulis has earned my trust for the job he's done here. If we go five more games without a win then I will be concerned like everyone else. For me there is no need to panic yet. Pulis is very experienced, he'll know how to keep us going.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: 17GD on October 28, 2017, 09:19:08 PM

I for one want to see excitement and passion at the Hawthorns, I hate dull, lifeless performances. But what are the board most happy with, happy fans or a fat bank account?

Not sure that needs an answer, they couldn't give a rat's backside about us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 09:27:05 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 28, 2017, 09:25:29 PM
Pulis has earned my trust for the job he's done here. If we go five more games without a win then I will be concerned like everyone else. For me there is no need to panic yet. Pulis is very experienced, he'll know how to keep us going.

Did you keep the band playing on the Titanic?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chris-wba on October 28, 2017, 09:28:31 PM
Quote from: 17GD on October 28, 2017, 09:19:08 PM
I understand the frustration. I think deep down we all knew we wouldn't get much change from city. They're the best. But we need to stick together. (At the risk of sounding like Bryan Ferry).

I for one thought today would be a cricket score, so to lose by one goal isn't too bad. And I'm sure that under a more attacking coach we probably would've conceded more goals today.

Tony has done a good job at preventing us from getting a few good hidings, but with the level of our club, it's likely to either be to fix the defence and the rest of the team suffers, or go for the attack and leak dozens of goals. If we leaked loads of goals everyone would be upset about that.

I'm going to play devils advocate now. What would you rather have:

+ sack tony and bring someone in and we end up mid-table (and possibly a little bored by April)

+ or keep him and go into the end of the season with some excitement, knowing we're in a scrap? (But knowing TP has never been relegated).

I for one want to see excitement and passion at the Hawthorns, I hate dull, lifeless performances. But what are the board most happy with, happy fans or a fat bank account?

I've never seen 'Keep Pulis' and 'excitement' used in the same sentence before  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 28, 2017, 09:35:09 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 09:27:05 PM
Did you keep the band playing on the Titanic?

No iceberg ahead on this ship..   ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 09:37:03 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 28, 2017, 09:35:09 PM
No iceberg ahead on this ship..   ;)


I would say its the tip
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 28, 2017, 09:42:17 PM
Apparently Merse was on Soccer Saturday saying we should be careful what we wish for and nobody else would do a better job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 28, 2017, 09:47:43 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 28, 2017, 09:42:17 PM
Apparently Merse was on Soccer Saturday saying we should be careful what we wish for and nobody else would do a better job.

He’s a wise guy, must be true.

He said the same about Southampton sacking Adkins and replacing him with Pochettino.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 28, 2017, 09:49:44 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 28, 2017, 09:42:17 PM
Apparently Merse was on Soccer Saturday saying we should be careful what we wish for and nobody else would do a better job.
why do you keep wheeling out the same old s**te I don't think anything could be worse than what we are getting at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 09:50:17 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 28, 2017, 09:42:17 PM
Apparently Merse was on Soccer Saturday saying we should be careful what we wish for and nobody else would do a better job.


Ian Dennis on 5live said similar. Not that I totally agree with the sentiment but for this season at least he deserves more time to work with the summer signings to turn the form around. We're only 10 games in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 09:52:06 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 28, 2017, 09:42:17 PM
Apparently Merse was on Soccer Saturday saying we should be careful what we wish for and nobody else would do a better job.


this is what makes me laugh with pundits,  some of them moaning about having to watch boring negative football that as no place in the premier then they spout rubbish be careful what we wish for, utter tosh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 09:52:06 PM

this is what makes me laugh with pundits,  some of them moaning about having to watch boring negative football that as no place in the premier then they spout rubbish be careful what we wish for, utter tosh

I can't recall anything useful ever falling out of Merson's mouth to be honest. He makes Lawro sound like a prophet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chris-wba on October 28, 2017, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 09:50:17 PM

Ian Dennis on 5live said similar. Not that I totally agree with the sentiment but for this season at least he deserves more time to work with the summer signings to turn the form around. We're only 10 games in.

Problem is we say this every season. Give him a bit more time, let him get his side together. Point is he's had lots of windows now, this last one being one of the better ones, and we're still setting up with at least 8 defensive players on the pitch with no clue going forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 09:59:04 PM
Quote from: chris-wba on October 28, 2017, 09:57:16 PM
Problem is we say this every season. Give him a bit more time, let him get his side together. Point is he's had lots of windows now, this last one being one of the better ones, and we're still setting up with at least 8 defensive players on the pitch with no clue going forward.


He's trying to integrate 5 first team players plus Burke who hasn't really featured yet. 10 games isn't enough imo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 10:01:42 PM
Christ almighty its the same for all other teams in the league, show no fear and some intent. hes had enough time and chances
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 28, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on October 28, 2017, 09:49:44 PM
why do you keep wheeling out the same old s**te I don't think anything could be worse than what we are getting at the moment.

Ask Sunderland fans..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 10:03:06 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 09:59:04 PM

He's trying to integrate 5 first team players plus Burke who hasn't really featured yet. 10 games isn't enough imo.

I've liked a lot of what you have had to say in the past but we clearly differ on old Tone. How many games do you think we should give him then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 28, 2017, 10:06:02 PM
how much time do you give him? in nearly 3 years we have a 3 month purple patch that flosses over the other months of dross. he will never change his ways is style or approach to the game. this is our club Pulis be on your way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie_liam on October 28, 2017, 10:09:02 PM
I really hope we’ve asked Koeman on his interest in the job, think he could do great with this squad!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 10:09:40 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 10:03:06 PM
I've liked a lot of what you have had to say in the past but we clearly differ on old Tone. How many games do you think we should give him then?


At least the 17 the clueless Irvine got.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 10:09:40 PM

At least the 17 the clueless Irvine got.

Ha, point taken.

Look I'm just worried!!!! Can we come back from seven more losses?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 28, 2017, 10:30:29 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 10:09:40 PM

At least the 17 the clueless Irvine got.
Trouble is 3 wins in 22 premiership games says it all
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2017, 10:56:02 PM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on October 28, 2017, 10:30:29 PM
Trouble is 3 wins in 22 premiership games says it all

Let's make it 3 in 29 then...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 29, 2017, 01:23:18 AM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on October 28, 2017, 08:51:30 PM
Thor was good. Another mate who is a bluenose came along as well. If he still here by Chelsea made plans to go to a kid friendly pub so my carer's missus can go Christmas shopping I miss the club and the things  round it but Pulis
I know I’ve had a few beers, but is anyone else having problems deciphering this?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on October 29, 2017, 01:29:53 AM
Quote from: costa blanca baggie on October 29, 2017, 01:23:18 AM
I know I’ve had a few beers, but is anyone else having problems deciphering this?

Not sure, but it's probably Pulis' fault
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 29, 2017, 01:41:56 AM
Quote from: costa blanca baggie on October 29, 2017, 01:23:18 AM
I know I’ve had a few beers, but is anyone else having problems deciphering this?


Today he went to the cinema to watch Thor next home game he's taking the kids to the pub... repeat ad nauseum until TP leaves.


I think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on October 29, 2017, 01:57:15 AM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on October 29, 2017, 01:56:11 AM
I don't mean to be a **** but this is one stunning comment. Are you seriously suggesting that we'd rather watch us struggle playing diabolical football because it's 'exciting' (it's definitely not), rather than watching a decent manager who actually knows how to play football come in and show us something other than grinding out bore draws? It's a no brainer

I think there's a misunderstanding here. I meant that if we get to April and we're in trouble, at least it will be exciting to see whether we get out of it, (an exciting end to the season) as opposed to a dull, guaranteed mid-table finish. And my question was what would fans prefer, and it was a genuine question, not sarcasm.

Some fans have said they'd rather us go down than continue being a dull, mid-table team, who do nothing in any of the cups and don't take this league seriously.

Personally, I'd be happy for us to finish 10-14th as long as we had some entertainment and goals. I hate us having between 20-30% possession and occasionally edging games by the odd goal. Under TP I can't see us going down, but I also can't see the entertainment improving either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 29, 2017, 07:51:23 AM
Quote from: Topman on October 28, 2017, 06:43:05 PM



No need to be rude mate please

I was being an idiot. Just got wound up. Apologies.  :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 29, 2017, 08:18:02 AM
Has he gone yet? Surely a defeat on Saturday will see the vocal fans turn?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 29, 2017, 08:20:56 AM
I'm not sure this forum and social media represents the whole fan base.

On the Radio WM phone in there was still quite a bit of support for Pulis. Also, the supporters club Chairman has lent Pulis his support (which he wouldn't do if he felt the tide had turned).

Average attendances are up as well.

I don't see an imminent change.

I'm in the Pulis out camp by the way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 29, 2017, 08:53:27 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 10:09:40 PM

At least the 17 the clueless Irvine got.

It's always brought back to the clueless Irvine...who had 13 points at this point in the season. His first season.  ;)

For what it's worth, I agree with your sentiment of sacking Pulis now would probably be detrimental to the club in the short term but it ultimately depends upon the appointment they make. Appointing TP may have been good initially but devastating the longer he remains.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 29, 2017, 09:18:41 AM
He’s fallen below the dreaded 1.1 points per game ratio too.

Legend, I put this question directly to you.  What enjoyment do you get from watching your team, have 20% of the ball, with no creative ideas whatsoever, to lose a game with no fight or desire to go and win the game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on October 29, 2017, 09:20:47 AM
I am already at the stage three months into the season where i dont really care if Pulis stays or goes which i think does make it handy in the Pulis debate!

I left the game yesterday, not particularly bothered that we have lost, it felt a bit of a chore going, i was quite glad there isnt another home game for three weeks.

I think that feeling is a combination of boring football and just the premier league in general.

Yesterday losing 3-2 was no disgrace, a lot better teams than us have got thumped, i didnt think Man City actually played that well, i thought they stayed in 2nd gear and cruised, just passed for the sake of it, we worked aaard and tried which is not something you can ever question with this team.

What i do find strange is how we have so many talented footballers on big money, won trophies, etc who treat the ball like a hot potato, there is no skill or flair in how we play, twice yesterday we attempted to use the ball yesterday we created two chances for Rondon and Greg.

I took a mate yesterday who was a neutral and his view were City were streets ahead and was like a bit more intense training session for them, we were like a plucky championship / league one team who ran a lot, tried hard but ultimately had very little quality on the ball, yet when i see our squad i dont think that should be the case.

I thought the whole atmosphere was flat yesterday, i think the players to start with looked like they there was an inevitability about City scoring, we were trying but it seemed our players just knew it was going to happen. We then scored a good goal and there seemed to be some belief but i think City scoring so soon after the first killed us, if we could of kept it level for 10-15 minutes we may of got a head off steam up, who knows.

I watched the Leeds v Sheffield United game on Friday, really enjoyed it, not great quality but there was a purpose to both teams play, i am also looking forward to Blues v Villa today, shame the only game i wasnt looking forward too was my own teams!

I dont actually think Pulis will be going anytime soon, i wouldnt say fans have no say, i am sure the board notice certain things but i think the season will just repeat on a loop like the last couple, we will get points from somewhere, probably be comfortable, he will stay, either way i couldnt really give a s**t!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 29, 2017, 09:22:20 AM
Quote from: BB74 on October 29, 2017, 08:20:56 AM
Average attendances are up as well.
Are you sure about that stat? Doesn't seem right to me or is it skewed by the old trick of counting all ST's as being there if they are or not?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 29, 2017, 09:24:57 AM
Albion79, correct mate!

This league, manager and our self inflicted opinion that we’re little West Brom who shouldn’t be here has sucked the Love out the match day experience.

Atmosphere is embarrassing, results are poor, tactics are the most dire in the country with zero ambition.

I would honestly rather go down than stay here unless we had a culture change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on October 29, 2017, 09:36:14 AM
Albion79 i agree wasnt bothered about going yesterday i to have lost the buzz . Lots saying lost the dressing room well rondom jumped into thd dugout rather than shake pulis or megsons hand says alot . The place is flat stoke fans felf the same few years ago . 😕
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on October 29, 2017, 09:39:41 AM
I'd give him the next 3 games, if we go winless, sack him. This is a decent squad, it should be doing better, I think a lot of managers would do better with it. There's plenty of talent there but playing 3 defensive midfielders completely nullifies the team against most teams.

This summer where we spent well showed how limited Pulis is, no matter how much you back him, how much he spends, things will never improve. Same happened at Stoke who are better for his leaving too, certainly not as deathly boring under Hughes.

If we stay up I'd look to get rid regardless of how well we did this season but that will never happen. The quality of football is not worth staying up for. Pulis is fine as a short term turn things around option but he doesn't have the ability to be any more than that. 3 years is far more than enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on October 29, 2017, 09:46:36 AM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on October 29, 2017, 09:22:20 AM
Are you sure about that stat? Doesn't seem right to me or is it skewed by the old trick of counting all ST's as being there if they are or not?

Figures are up but not sure how they are collated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 29, 2017, 09:49:31 AM
We don't play 3 defensive midfielders, Krychowiak is a box to box CM, Livermore depends on the role he's asked to play. Barry a good signing and good footballer...had a big hand in both goals yesterday.

We need a genuine AM - Morrison is the only one we have and he's injured all the time. Chadli, Rodriguez or anyone else are not genuine AMs.

Arsenal played 3 CMs against us but one was Ramsey who can play genuine AM.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 29, 2017, 09:53:35 AM
I know it doesn't count but I cant remember how we performed in our pre season friendlies, were the games as depressing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on October 29, 2017, 09:58:46 AM
Quote from: Adder on October 29, 2017, 09:49:31 AM
We don't play 3 defensive midfielders, Krychowiak is a box to box CM, Livermore depends on the role he's asked to play. Barry a good signing and good footballer...had a big hand in both goals yesterday.

We need a genuine AM - Morrison is the only one we have and he's injured all the time. Chadli, Rodriguez or anyone else are not genuine AMs.

Arsenal played 3 CMs against us but one was Ramsey who can play genuine AM.

The problem is they're all defensive midfielders by nature. Krychowiak has never been a box to box midfielder. Till now. This is the problem, we cram defensive players into the side and then need them to be our creative options. Won't work.

Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 29, 2017, 09:53:35 AM
I know it doesn't count but I cant remember how we performed in our pre season friendlies, were the games as depressing

We were as desperately boring then and lost almost every game. Including being absolutely outclassed by Frank De Boer's Crystal Palace.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 29, 2017, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: Dan on October 29, 2017, 09:58:46 AM
The problem is they're all defensive midfielders by nature. Krychowiak has never been a box to box midfielder. Till now. This is the problem, we cram defensive players into the side and then need them to be our creative options. Won't work.

We were as desperately boring then and lost almost every game. Including being absolutely outclassed by Frank De Boer's Crystal Palace.....
We do need to sign a decent quality AM - should be at or near the top of our shopping list
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 29, 2017, 10:46:05 AM
It may be ours, but it wont be Pulis'.
Another "old arrd working dm" for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan87uk on October 29, 2017, 11:04:15 AM
We can all say what we like in terms of lack of atmosphere, style, possession etc etc. and we'll all go round in circles debating it between the pro-pulis and anti-pulis camps, But the bottom line is this:
It's awful and this isn't even going into the deeper form for the year,  particularly after we hit that 40 mark last season (which has already been discussed at length)

Lose to Huddersfield next week and his position surely becomes untenable from where i'm sitting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 29, 2017, 11:41:29 AM
He needs to drop this stupid obsession of Barry, Greg and Livermore in midfield.

It is painful to watch just how cumbersome they are.

There is a good squad at his disposal however Pulis is not utilising it correctly.

Also, if we're going to use three screening midfielders then we may as well throw Yacob in and do the job properly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on October 29, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
Lose next week and I think the wheels will be set in motion

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 29, 2017, 11:55:51 AM
We need to get rid of him before the Wolves and Villa come up.

Its just going to be an embarrassment otherwise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 29, 2017, 11:57:17 AM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 29, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
Lose next week and I think the wheels will be set in motion
Lose with a poor performance and I'd agree.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on October 29, 2017, 11:57:31 AM
Quote from: Dan87uk on October 29, 2017, 11:04:15 AM
We can all say what we like in terms of lack of atmosphere, style, possession etc etc. and we'll all go round in circles debating it between the pro-pulis and anti-pulis camps, But the bottom line is this:
  • No wins in 9 games (8 league, 1 cup).
  • Last win? Against League 2 Accrington Stanley on 22nd August.
  • We are sliding down the league towards the bottom 3.
It's awful and this isn't even going into the deeper form for the year,  particularly after we hit that 40 mark last season (which has already been discussed at length)

Lose to Huddersfield next week and his position surely becomes untenable from where i'm sitting.

Agree totally would always be given the Man City game because of their form, but, Huddersfield's different. We're expected to win that. The excuses are disappearing Negative fans? 3 wins in 22. Not backed by the board? Spent more than any manager in club history. This is a Pulis designed team. Never addresed the attacking problem from last year. The squad apart from forwards is decent. Wjy don't they play for him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on October 29, 2017, 11:58:19 AM
I think he'll bag a win next week and a draw against either Chelsea or Spurs, thus prolonging our agony beyond November
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on October 29, 2017, 12:12:05 PM
As far as I'm concerned, he had his chance with the first 6 games of the season. He blew it big time. He has kidded the board that we've been really unlucky. I just hope that the board are watching the same football, because it speaks volumes on its own. I can't believe any other team would still employ their manager with Tp's record over the calendar year so far. I think everyone at the club is banking on his 'Never been relegated' badge of honor. They said the Titanic was unsinkable ???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 29, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
Unashamedly part copied from something much longer that I've just read on twitter link and sets out my own thoughts far better than I could
https://www.facebook.com/deano.walton/posts/10154784884057121
MEDIA DARLING
For some reason Tony Pulis is adored by the national press. No one seems to be prepared to challenge him. Yesterday's interview after the game was a powder puff farce. I thought journalists should ask the questions that need to be asked that the public want and demand answers to.
Local coverage on WM seemed pro Pulis. I felt like how dare a fan even suggest that they want to change the manager and how great our plucky performance was against the mighty Man City. And if we had made better of a couple of chances then it could have been different, blah blah blah.
Are the reporters frightened they will get banned from the club or lose their relationship with ing the club itself.
PULIS needs to be asked every interview.
Why are your tactics always so negative?
Can you defend your record over the last 23 games?
Is this the only way you can set up a team?
Why have you fallen out with Matt Phillips.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 29, 2017, 12:23:21 PM
Lost on Astle Day, Lost twice in a week to Villa! Should have been sacked on the spot after that game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on October 29, 2017, 12:35:11 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on October 29, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
Unashamedly part copied from something much longer that I've just read on twitter link and sets out my own thoughts far better than I could
https://www.facebook.com/deano.walton/posts/10154784884057121
MEDIA DARLING
For some reason Tony Pulis is adored by the national press. No one seems to be prepared to challenge him. Yesterday's interview after the game was a powder puff farce. I thought journalists should ask the questions that need to be asked that the public want and demand answers to.
Local coverage on WM seemed pro Pulis. I felt like how dare a fan even suggest that they want to change the manager and how great our plucky performance was against the mighty Man City. And if we had made better of a couple of chances then it could have been different, blah blah blah.
Are the reporters frightened they will get banned from the club or lose their relationship with ing the club itself.
PULIS needs to be asked every interview.
Why are your tactics always so negative?
Can you defend your record over the last 23 games?
Is this the only way you can set up a team?
Why have you fallen out with Matt Phillips.
Agree...the interviews every week are embarrassing for their lack of any probing questions..should just do one interview after week one and dub the opponents name...same old same old free ride for clueless...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2017, 12:39:07 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/10/28/tony-pulis-hails-hard-working-west-brom-players/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/10/28/tony-pulis-hails-hard-working-west-brom-players/)

Tony Pulis hails hard-working West Brom players

Tony Pulis hailed his player's work ethic after their plucky defeat to Manchester City today and reckons his team can take heart from the 3-2 loss.

Albion are now without a win in nine games in all competitions, but showed some promising signs against the unbeaten league leaders at The Hawthorns.

Three goals in five frenetic first-half minutes left City 2-1 up before Raheem Sterling seemed to have put the game to bed shortly after the hour mark.

A late Matt Phillips goal that capitalised on a Nicolas Otamendi mistake made things interesting for the final few minutes but City deservedly saw out the game.

But it was a better performance from Albion than recent weeks, and when Pulis was asked if he could take heart from the game he said: "Yeah. They're a good side.

"What City have got, they've got players who can take you out of the game in one-on-one situations and they've got players who can take you out of the game with passes.

"They're a real quality side and every teams that plays against them will recognise that they're going to get chances.

"We played a little bit differently with a swivelling set up at the back because they outnumber you through the pitch.

"At times it worked well but you need the breaks. When you get opportunities you need to take them. We had two really good chances, Salomon's and Grzegorz's.

"Having said that, they created their own chances and Ben (Foster) was very good in goal.

"But I can't fault the players, they were fantastic today, they worked so hard as a group."

Pulis was never going to be judged on today's result, and despite the disillusion among the fanbase there were only a handful of supporters who vocalised their anger at the match.

Despite the poor form, Albion's head coach remains confident that results will soon turn.

"The situation is we need to get a result, we want a result," he said. "We want to get our best team out there and get the balance right, I think we still haven't done that.

"When we do and get them all together we'll be fine."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 29, 2017, 12:41:31 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 29, 2017, 12:39:07 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/10/28/tony-pulis-hails-hard-working-west-brom-players/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/10/28/tony-pulis-hails-hard-working-west-brom-players/)

Tony Pulis hails hard-working West Brom players

Tony Pulis hailed his player's work ethic after their plucky defeat to Manchester City today and reckons his team can take heart from the 3-2 loss.

Albion are now without a win in nine games in all competitions, but showed some promising signs against the unbeaten league leaders at The Hawthorns.

Three goals in five frenetic first-half minutes left City 2-1 up before Raheem Sterling seemed to have put the game to bed shortly after the hour mark.

A late Matt Phillips goal that capitalised on a Nicolas Otamendi mistake made things interesting for the final few minutes but City deservedly saw out the game.

But it was a better performance from Albion than recent weeks, and when Pulis was asked if he could take heart from the game he said: "Yeah. They're a good side.

"What City have got, they've got players who can take you out of the game in one-on-one situations and they've got players who can take you out of the game with passes.

"They're a real quality side and every teams that plays against them will recognise that they're going to get chances.

"We played a little bit differently with a swivelling set up at the back because they outnumber you through the pitch.

"At times it worked well but you need the breaks. When you get opportunities you need to take them. We had two really good chances, Salomon's and Grzegorz's.

"Having said that, they created their own chances and Ben (Foster) was very good in goal.

"But I can't fault the players, they were fantastic today, they worked so hard as a group."

Pulis was never going to be judged on today's result, and despite the disillusion among the fanbase there were only a handful of supporters who vocalised their anger at the match.

Despite the poor form, Albion's head coach remains confident that results will soon turn.

"The situation is we need to get a result, we want a result," he said. "We want to get our best team out there and get the balance right, I think we still haven't done that.

"When we do and get them all together we'll be fine."

Usual Pulis garbage
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on October 29, 2017, 12:47:10 PM
Quote from: Aztech on October 29, 2017, 12:41:31 PM
Usual Pulis garbage
Agree...complete garbage and an insult to the fans..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 29, 2017, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 29, 2017, 12:23:21 PM
Lost on Astle Day, Lost twice in a week to Villa! Should have been sacked on the spot after that game.
Don't think you can put all that on him , that was a awful squad he managed to keep up. Both Ideye and Saido had to be patched up to play as Anichebe ruled himself out those Villa games. Did well enough to keep us up .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on October 29, 2017, 01:11:38 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on October 29, 2017, 12:47:10 PM
Agree...complete garbage and an insult to the fans..
and what do you want him to say about yesterday ?........it's a disgrace we couldn't beat City (regardless of them being one of the best teams in Europe and averaging about £30m per player in cost)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2017, 01:13:04 PM
When Pulis signed his contract extension in August I didn't hear or read many negative comments, in fact it was mostly positive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 29, 2017, 01:23:12 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 29, 2017, 01:13:04 PM
When Pulis signed his contract extension in August I didn't hear or read many negative comments, in fact it was mostly positive.

I think thats down to people believing that with the contract extension and the money spent and the relative confidence of our situation that the manner in which we play would improve. Im not talking about "tippy tappy" sh()te either, I mean a desire to win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on October 29, 2017, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: Dan on October 29, 2017, 09:58:46 AM
The problem is they're all defensive midfielders by nature. Krychowiak has never been a box to box midfielder. Till now. This is the problem, we cram defensive players into the side and then need them to be our creative options. Won't work.

We were as desperately boring then and lost almost every game. Including being absolutely outclassed by Frank De Boer's Crystal Palace.....
I think you will find he is a box to box midfielder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 29, 2017, 01:33:51 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 29, 2017, 01:13:04 PM
When Pulis signed his contract extension in August I didn't hear or read many negative comments, in fact it was mostly positive.

You may wish to read my posts around that period  :-*

Can't disagree with anything Jacko says about the prime time for replacing being come the summer, but it was last summer that was the prime time. We have messed it up massively yet again by giving a man who was never going to altar the way he operates this summer window and to give him an extension to his contract was just ridiculous. It was at that point I lost the will to care anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 29, 2017, 01:34:02 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on October 29, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
Lose next week and I think the wheels will be set in motion


Yes mate I will rise like the Phoenix
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2017, 01:35:44 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on October 29, 2017, 01:33:51 PM
You may wish to read my posts around that period  :-*

Can't disagree with anything Jacko says about the prime time for replacing being come the summer, but it was last summer that was the prime time. We have messed it up massively yet again by giving a man who was never going to altar the way he operates this summer window and to give him an extension to his contract was just ridiculous. It was at that point I lost the will to care anymore.

I wonder if the loss of Dave Kemp in the Summer might have had a bigger effect than we thought. I did hear that he was popular with the players. Not sure about Megson.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 29, 2017, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 29, 2017, 01:35:44 PM
I wonder if the loss of Dave Kemp in the Summer might have had a bigger effect than we thought. I did hear that he was popular with the players. Not sure about Megson.

Yes because so much has changed from the three months before Kemp left to the three months (of playing time) since it...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 29, 2017, 01:37:04 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 29, 2017, 01:35:44 PM
I wonder if the loss of Dave Kemp in the Summer might have had a bigger effect than we thought. I did hear that he was popular with the players. Not sure about Megson.


His win ratio and football was still rubbish . No excuses
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2017, 01:52:41 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on October 29, 2017, 01:37:04 PM

His win ratio and football was still rubbish . No excuses

We played some good stuff at times last season and scored plenty of goals at home.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on October 29, 2017, 04:26:40 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on October 29, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
Unashamedly part copied from something much longer that I've just read on twitter link and sets out my own thoughts far better than I could
https://www.facebook.com/deano.walton/posts/10154784884057121
MEDIA DARLING
For some reason Tony Pulis is adored by the national press. No one seems to be prepared to challenge him. Yesterday's interview after the game was a powder puff farce. I thought journalists should ask the questions that need to be asked that the public want and demand answers to.
Local coverage on WM seemed pro Pulis. I felt like how dare a fan even suggest that they want to change the manager and how great our plucky performance was against the mighty Man City. And if we had made better of a couple of chances then it could have been different, blah blah blah.
Are the reporters frightened they will get banned from the club or lose their relationship with ing the club itself.
PULIS needs to be asked every interview.
Why are your tactics always so negative?
Can you defend your record over the last 23 games?
Is this the only way you can set up a team?
Why have you fallen out with Matt Phillips.

Yes. The Radio 5 live pundits at the Hawthorns yesterday spent a good 2 minutes before the kick-off saying "what a fantastic job Pulis is doing at the Albion.....and how Albion fans that are moaning or not turning up to matches are expecting far too much". Tossers the lot of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on October 29, 2017, 04:36:11 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 29, 2017, 01:13:04 PM
When Pulis signed his contract extension in August I didn't hear or read many negative comments, in fact it was mostly positive.

If you care to take a look you will see my thoughts as regards Pulis predate his contract extension.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 29, 2017, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: miggybaggy on October 29, 2017, 04:26:40 PM
Yes. The Radio 5 live pundits at the Hawthorns yesterday spent a good 2 minutes before the kick-off saying "what a fantastic job Pulis is doing at the Albion.....and how Albion fans that are moaning or not turning up to matches are expecting far too much". Tossers the lot of them.


do you not realise hes god to the media and the few not the many. 3-23
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on October 29, 2017, 05:39:39 PM
Quote from: Standaman on August 11, 2017, 07:54:20 PM
With 12 months left on his contract the board have a decision to make either extend or fire him. Not for a moment did I think they would fire him at this point of time. However I would have thought they might have given it the 1st 10 games of the new season to see how we were progressing especially given the diabolical form of the tail end of last season.

The extension alters nothing much although it puts to bed any lingering suggestions that there is a schism between board and head coach. For those who think we are blessed by his presence and equally those who think it 's a curse we are probably have him for another 12 months.

Well here we are 10 games in and the contract extension looks like a poor decision but I think it does mean the board will be a little reluctant to terminate in mid season given they have publicly backed him 3 months ago but there comes a point when £3.5m to be rid of a failing coach will look like a bargain.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 29, 2017, 05:58:16 PM
if we lose at Huddersfield then the board should act, 2 week break to sort it out. not many keep their jobs with a win rate of 3 in 29
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 29, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
Call me stupid but we'll beat Huddersfield. We'll win 1-0

Its what Tony Pulis does
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 29, 2017, 06:05:01 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on October 29, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
Call me stupid but we'll beat Huddersfield. We'll win 1-0

Its what Tony Pulis does
I bet Huddersfield will relish playing us, they will look at this match as a great opportunity to get another 3 points.
guaranteed it will backs to the wall from us while we let Huddersfield play like Barca.

stokelad doesn't appear much these days to promote father.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 29, 2017, 06:35:02 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 29, 2017, 06:05:01 PM
I bet Huddersfield will relish playing us, they will look at this match as a great opportunity to get another 3 points.
guaranteed it will backs to the wall from us while we let Huddersfield play like Barca.

stokelad doesn't appear much these days to promote father.

Honestly can not see where our next three points are coming from. Would absolutely love to be completely made a fool of for that statement, but can not see it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 29, 2017, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on October 29, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
Call me stupid but we'll beat Huddersfield. We'll win 1-0

Its what Tony Pulis does

Agreed. He'll bag a few points here and there as he always does to keep his head above the water.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on October 29, 2017, 08:49:31 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 29, 2017, 06:49:17 PM
Agreed. He'll bag a few points here and there as he always does to keep his head above the water.

I'm not too sure, usually I'd agree but I feel that lately he's lost some of his survival 'magic' which came to define him.

I think usually his team selection is spot on, but it's his other tactics which would let him down. Lately I think he's been far too stubborn with keeping the same players involved which has harmed us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 29, 2017, 08:52:55 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on October 29, 2017, 08:49:31 PM
I'm not too sure, usually I'd agree but I feel that lately he's lost some of his survival 'magic' which came to define him.

I think usually his team selection is spot on, but it's his other tactics which would let him down. Lately I think he's been far too stubborn with keeping the same players involved which has harmed us.

It certainly feels like one of the most important games of the last few years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on October 29, 2017, 09:04:58 PM
Another classic comment from Pulis.

'The two strikers and the players that came on for us in Hal Robson-Kanu and Matty Phillips were a right handful for them.'

Kanu and Phillips were a handful? Phillips had a go but is really rusty because Pulis won't play him at the moment, as for Robson-Kanu, sometimes he can make a difference but he was absolutely rank when he came on.

Yet more nonsense from our Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 29, 2017, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: frazzle on October 29, 2017, 09:04:58 PM
Another classic comment from Pulis.

'The two strikers and the players that came on for us in Hal Robson-Kanu and Matty Phillips were a right handful for them.'

Kanu and Phillips were a handful? Phillips had a go but is really rusty because Pulis won't play him at the moment, as for Robson-Kanu, sometimes he can make a difference but he was absolutely rank when he came on.

Yet more nonsense from our Tone.

That’s laughable. He’s so unaware of the actual game of football it’s beyond belief.

HRK lost the ball 4 times, he only touched it 6!!

.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 29, 2017, 09:26:03 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on October 29, 2017, 06:05:01 PM
I bet Huddersfield will relish playing us, they will look at this match as a great opportunity to get another 3 points.
guaranteed it will backs to the wall from us while we let Huddersfield play like Barca.

stokelad doesn't appear much these days to promote father.
Bloody hell mate, don't encourage him!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on October 29, 2017, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on October 29, 2017, 09:26:03 PM
Bloody hell mate, don't encourage him!
good point 68,will modify post asap :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on October 29, 2017, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on October 29, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
Call me stupid but we'll beat Huddersfield. We'll win 1-0

Its what Tony Pulis does
youre stupid.we are the only anti football playing style in the prem just like  pulis was at stoke which we all detested.we will get turned over at hudds be in no doubt
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on October 30, 2017, 01:18:49 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-defender-kieran-gibbs-13829210

Players still behind him. The board won't  pull the trigger till he loses the dressing room
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on October 30, 2017, 01:31:45 AM
Quote from: Foster#1 on October 30, 2017, 01:18:49 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-defender-kieran-gibbs-13829210

Players still behind him. The board won't  pull the trigger till he loses the dressing room

Players are hardly going to come out in the press slagging the manager off though are they?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 30, 2017, 05:00:49 AM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on October 30, 2017, 01:31:45 AM
Players are hardly going to come out in the press slagging the manager off though are they?

That's exactly what I was going to say. Clearly there was some pressure within the club to make some kind of announcement via a player with the rumours circulating of dressing room unrest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 30, 2017, 07:44:15 AM
Quote from: frazzle on October 29, 2017, 09:04:58 PM
Another classic comment from Pulis.

'The two strikers and the players that came on for us in Hal Robson-Kanu and Matty Phillips were a right handful for them.'

Kanu and Phillips were a handful? Phillips had a go but is really rusty because Pulis won't play him at the moment, as for Robson-Kanu, sometimes he can make a difference but he was absolutely rank when he came on.

Yet more nonsense from our Tone.

Absolute rubbish. Thought Rondon should have stayed on as he looked lively on Saturday.

This is like putting lipstick on a pig, it is what it is......ugly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: eaststandbaggie on October 30, 2017, 08:00:00 AM
If Pulis losses to Huddersfield after the team worked aardd
Should he be sacked
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 30, 2017, 08:38:51 AM
Quote from: eaststandbaggie on October 30, 2017, 08:00:00 AM
If Pulis losses to Huddersfield after the team worked aardd
Should he be sacked

Yes if we continue with the ultra defensive approach and create very little;  but he won't be. Very unlikely to be sacked this side of Christmas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on October 30, 2017, 08:55:20 AM
Rambling a bit in his press bits just lately , anybody else I'd say he's lost control and he knows it. Suspect he'll dig up some points from somewhere and settle things a bit , in the past thats been the difference between him and the likes of RDM , Clarke etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on October 30, 2017, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on October 30, 2017, 08:38:51 AM
Yes if we continue with the ultra defensive approach and create very little;  but he won't be. Very unlikely to be sacked this side of Christmas.

If we leave it until after Christmas the manager we will need to appoint a manager like ......Tony Pulis to save us !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 30, 2017, 10:08:14 AM
Quote from: tylerm on October 30, 2017, 09:29:04 AM
If we leave it until after Christmas the manager we will need to appoint a manager like ......Tony Pulis to save us !!
Exactly. Can't leave it until we need a firefighter otherwise we may as well re-employ him the next day!
Should do it now and bring in someone who can get us playing. Wouldn't take much just a change in training and allowing players a bit of freedom.

Pulis' approach to a slump has always been to defend even deeper and eek out a result. He has been doing this since March though and it just isn't working anymore and it's got him rattled because he doesn't know anything else. The answer though is staring him in the face: GET ON THE FRONT FOOT AND TRY AND WIN THE GAME. He has the players but sadly not the courage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 30, 2017, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: tylerm on October 30, 2017, 09:29:04 AM
If we leave it until after Christmas the manager we will need to appoint a manager like ......Tony Pulis to save us !!

I'm not for one minute advocating that we leave it that late, I just think that unless we are in the bottom 3 and winless from November to Jan then the board will not sack him, certainly not before Christmas.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: perkyone on October 30, 2017, 10:37:45 AM
The issue is Megson, the football we are playing has his stamp all over it. If Pulis has got one thing wrong it is leaving the coaching and organisation to Megson and if so he's guilty and should go. Gone is the disciplined football of last season and now we have an unorganised mess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 30, 2017, 11:02:09 AM
Quote from: perkyone on October 30, 2017, 10:37:45 AM
The issue is Megson, the football we are playing has his stamp all over it. If Pulis has got one thing wrong it is leaving the coaching and organisation to Megson and if so he's guilty and should go. Gone is the disciplined football of last season and now we have an unorganised mess.

For me the issue is both of them. We are playing the same style of football that we saw for the last 12 games of last season which is down to Pulis but we have got worse defensively since Megson came in (which I don't think is a coincidence).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 30, 2017, 11:06:51 AM
Quote from: perkyone on October 30, 2017, 10:37:45 AM
The issue is Megson, the football we are playing has his stamp all over it. If Pulis has got one thing wrong it is leaving the coaching and organisation to Megson and if so he's guilty and should go. Gone is the disciplined football of last season and now we have an unorganised mess.

Not seeing a great deal of difference between last year and this to be honest. Three wins in 22 and SGM was not present for many of those.

We may well fluke a win against Huddersfield on Saturday, but TP/SGM should not be judged on that game alone. Something has to give.........we are not contributing towards the Premier League at the moment and are, quite frankly, both an embarrassment and laughing stock....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 30, 2017, 11:23:43 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on October 30, 2017, 11:06:51 AM
Not seeing a great deal of difference between last year and this to be honest. Three wins in 22 and SGM was not present for many of those.

We may well fluke a win against Huddersfield on Saturday, but TP/SGM should not be judged on that game alone. Something has to give.........we are not contributing towards the Premier League at the moment and are, quite frankly, both an embarrassment and laughing stock....

Would anybody miss us?

We have become a mix between Wigan and Stoke under Pulis.

Poor gates home and away, no atmosphere, treading water as we coast along with a self-proclaimed small club label.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chris-wba on October 30, 2017, 12:15:16 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 30, 2017, 11:23:43 AM
Would anybody miss us?

We have become a mix between Wigan and Stoke under Pulis.

Poor gates home and away, no atmosphere, treading water as we coast along with a self-proclaimed small club label.

Completely agree with this.

Where we are at the moment compared to where we've come from, we should be feeling immensely proud but I must admit I'm finding it hard. For all of the reasons you mentioned really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 30, 2017, 01:29:54 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 30, 2017, 11:23:43 AM
Would anybody miss us?

We have become a mix between Wigan and Stoke under Pulis.

Poor gates home and away, no atmosphere, treading water as we coast along with a self-proclaimed small club label.



Pulis leaving wouldn't make a difference to any of your points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 30, 2017, 01:48:39 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 30, 2017, 01:29:54 PM
Pulis leaving wouldn't make a difference to any of your points.

Never said it would - was simply referring back to the "we're not contributing to the Premier League" point.

I guarantee Pulis leaving would have an impact on attendances both home and away, I for one would be at more away games for starters!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on October 30, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 30, 2017, 01:29:54 PM
Pulis leaving wouldn't make a difference to any of your points.
Don't agree with that mate. Not in 24 hours after leaving but once new manager has stamped a more attractive (and successful) brand of football then yes we will be liked again and be contributing to the overall competition.

Need to go big with the next manager appointment. No clue who but an overseas one probably.

Bottom line is that every Prem club should be selling out their home games and we are not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on October 30, 2017, 06:35:57 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 30, 2017, 01:48:39 PM
Never said it would - was simply referring back to the "we're not contributing to the Premier League" point.

I guarantee Pulis leaving would have an impact on attendances both home and away, I for one would be at more away games for starters!

You are correct. It really saddens me some of our supporters 'Just glad to be here' mentality.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on October 30, 2017, 06:37:15 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on October 30, 2017, 11:23:43 AM
Would anybody miss us?

We have become a mix between Wigan and Stoke under Pulis.

Poor gates home and away, no atmosphere, treading water as we coast along with a self-proclaimed small club label.
More worryingly, a mix between Wigan/Bolton/Blackburn, and look what has happened to all them.  Every record stands to be broken, and I think we may well see Pulis break his relegation duck this year if we don't get rid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 30, 2017, 07:08:03 PM
Two things I think are going to happen this season.

We are going to keep Pulis for too long.

We are going down.

I'd be delighted to be wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 30, 2017, 07:40:47 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on October 30, 2017, 07:08:03 PM
Two things I think are going to happen this season.

We are going to keep Pulis for too long.

We are going down.

I'd be delighted to be wrong.

Everton have never been relegated, neither has Pulis.

Records were made to be broken.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: we8seals on October 30, 2017, 07:52:02 PM
we are the only team in the premier league not to have won a game in the last 5 - and with the exception of saturday against very beatable opposition! Cant be allowed to go on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 30, 2017, 08:10:54 PM
The Premier League: anyone can beat anyone.

Apart from Albion, who beat nobody. 😂


On a serious note, we’re still below the 3 club’s who’ve just come up. Remember when I got slaughtered in pre season for pointing out there clubs we’re going places and showing ambition? That’s where it gets you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on October 30, 2017, 08:24:10 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 30, 2017, 01:29:54 PM
Pulis leaving wouldn't make a difference to any of your points.

I'm sorry but that's absolute rubbish.

In prior years other football fans saw us as good humoured supporters who supported a team that gave it a go and at times played some decent football.

Now, we are frustrated supporters, seen from the outside as supporting a team that is playing uber-defensive negative football.

We desperately need a change of direction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 30, 2017, 08:26:25 PM
Quote from: slate on October 30, 2017, 08:24:10 PM
I'm sorry but that's absolute rubbish.

In prior years other football fans saw us as good humoured supporters who supported a team that gave it a go and at times played some decent football.

Now, we are frustrated supporters, seen from the outside as supporting a team that is playing uber-defensive negative football.

We desperately need a change of direction.

Every word of that. Well said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 31, 2017, 10:04:50 AM
this saturday quite possibly his biggest game whilst with us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 31, 2017, 10:50:31 AM
If you agree with another posters comments can you please leave more than a 1 or 2 word answer. 1 or 2 word answers will be deleted as they add nothing to the debate. Explain why you agree and that will carry the debate forward. Cheers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 31, 2017, 11:17:43 AM
Quote from: slate on October 30, 2017, 08:24:10 PM
I'm sorry but that's absolute rubbish.

In prior years other football fans saw us as good humoured supporters who supported a team that gave it a go and at times played some decent football.

Now, we are frustrated supporters, seen from the outside as supporting a team that is playing uber-defensive negative football.

We desperately need a change of direction.
I think the fact that Everton don't appear interested shows that his reputation as a firefighter is diminishing, unfortunately. A few years ago he would have been 1st name on the list.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 31, 2017, 11:19:57 AM
Personally, if he sets up with 3 central defensive midfielders again, regardless of the result, I want him out on Monday.

If he actually plays a number 10, we achieve over 25% possession and go on to win/draw the game then i'm happy to give him a 24th chance
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 31, 2017, 11:23:03 AM
will throw a street party like Brexit when the day comes
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 31, 2017, 11:29:31 AM
Pulis says it will take one win to turn us around. He also mentions that we've been unlucky with injuries.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 31, 2017, 11:46:29 AM
hes said that before full of excuses, that wont work with now the majority that want him out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on October 31, 2017, 11:50:53 AM
Quote from: Legend on October 31, 2017, 11:29:31 AM
Pulis says it will take one win to turn us around. He also mentions that we've been unlucky with injuries.
Just another cliche. One win will give us 3 points, that's it.
We've not been unlucky with injuries. Only Dawson a regular, Morrison, Burke, HRK etc. will not play when fit.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on October 31, 2017, 12:00:50 PM
The bloke is scraping the barrel for excuses now he is running out of them. If we lose on Saturday i dont see how he can remain in the job especially with Spurs and Chelsea to follow. I will throw a party similar to the ones many threw when Maggie Thatcher died
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on October 31, 2017, 12:04:07 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 30, 2017, 01:29:54 PM
Pulis leaving wouldn't make a difference to any of your points.

You couldn't be more wrong Legend. Attendance home and away would go up because he would be gone and the expectation and support would be very high, our style and set up would be different and we may well see the natural progression we are looking for....

However, I think you know that don't you......... ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on October 31, 2017, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on October 31, 2017, 12:04:07 PM
You couldn't be more wrong Legend. Attendance home and away would go up because he would be gone and the expectation and support would be very high, our style and set up would be different and we may well see the natural progression we are looking for....

However, I think you know that don't you......... ;)

There would be an initial bounce in attendance followed by a return to present norms, at home anyway.

The away days would pick up though.

For any who think differently look at our attendances over the last five years.

The home support really hasn't dropped off as much as many would suggest, thus far.........

....... if results and performances stay as they are and he survives a little longer then things really will go in to decline though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on October 31, 2017, 12:52:35 PM
If Dyche goes to Everton I could see Burnley be interested in Pulis, watch us reject the approach  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Joust on October 31, 2017, 12:54:19 PM
Quote from: baggies_24 on October 31, 2017, 12:52:35 PM
If Dyche goes to Everton I could see Burnley be interested in Pulis, watch us reject the approach  :D

Allardyce for me. Can't se them wanting Pulis based on our current form
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 31, 2017, 12:55:53 PM
Quote from: The Joust on October 31, 2017, 12:54:19 PM
Allardyce for me. Can't se them wanting Pulis based on our current form


he still lives in that area so thats a good fit for Burnley, pulis has lost most of his credits
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 31, 2017, 01:05:07 PM
If Dyche goes to Everton, I doubt Burnley will be looking for a firefighter which seems to be what Pulis has got a name for now, I'd guess they would want someone they see as being more progressive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on October 31, 2017, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 31, 2017, 11:29:31 AM
Pulis says it will take one win to turn us around. He also mentions that we've been unlucky with injuries.

Is this the same Pulis who last year said managers shouldnt ever moan about injuries???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on October 31, 2017, 06:18:01 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 31, 2017, 11:29:31 AM
Pulis says it will take one win to turn us around. He also mentions that we've been unlucky with injuries.

So that could be another 10 - 12 games on current form. Not a lot of use really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on October 31, 2017, 06:28:35 PM
Just looking through ex managers records, and TP's is now worse than Denis Smith's, Alan Buckley's and Bobby Gould's!!! That wouldn't look good on any CV.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 31, 2017, 06:42:58 PM
Hes god and a media darling dont forget
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on October 31, 2017, 07:19:02 PM
Quote from: Maresca Was A Baggie on October 31, 2017, 06:28:35 PM
Just looking through ex managers records, and TP's is now worse than Denis Smith's, Alan Buckley's and Bobby Gould's!!! That wouldn't look good on any CV.

But the league is very tough this season and we are lucky to be in it  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on October 31, 2017, 07:20:57 PM
Now the results are almost as bad as the performances cant we all give him a collective punt out the door?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 31, 2017, 08:30:14 PM
If I were the chairman I would give him the spuds /Chelsea games as a new bloke would be on a loser from the off
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on October 31, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
My opinion is that Pulis will leave in 2019 when his contract expires.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on October 31, 2017, 09:12:33 PM
Quote from: Legend on October 31, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
My opinion is that Pulis will leave in 2019 when his contract expires.
If we lose Saturday with another poor performance he will be gone, Pulis out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 31, 2017, 09:27:46 PM
Quote from: albion59 on October 31, 2017, 09:12:33 PM
If we lose Saturday with another poor performance he will be gone, Pulis out
Don't forget his side kick..Megson.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on October 31, 2017, 10:28:06 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on October 31, 2017, 09:27:46 PM
Don't forget his side kick..Megson.

Feel for Megson as I imagine he needs the job/money a lot more than others having been out of work for so long...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on October 31, 2017, 10:35:27 PM
Quote from: Sted1990 on October 31, 2017, 10:28:06 PM
Feel for Megson as I imagine he needs the job/money a lot more than others having been out of work for so long...
I seriously doubt GM has ever had to worry about paying the leccy. Ex pro, ex manager, ex coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 01, 2017, 06:35:02 AM
Please keep the topic Tony Pulis , there will be no mass quoting other members either.
If any action needs taking then admin or mods will do it.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 08:57:05 AM
Quote from: albion59 on October 31, 2017, 09:12:33 PM
If we lose Saturday with another poor performance he will be gone, Pulis out


i totally agree. ideal time to get someone else in during the break. 2019 hes having a laugh.
We aint even good at set peices anymore, hes toast
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 10:31:12 AM
Does anyone think Jeremy would have acted by now?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 01, 2017, 10:36:26 AM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on October 31, 2017, 05:07:40 PM
If we lose to Huddersfield, I think it's fair to say that this is the optimum time to pull the trigger. I've been a backer of TP for a long time, but after the great summer we had transfer wise and all the time he's had to make changes, he's used up all his chances with me. The football is dire, the excuses are poor, the Hawthorns isn't a fun place to go anymore and the bottom line; we could be doing so much better with this squad (in more ways than one).

With a 2-week break coming up it'd be the perfect time to get rid. A little bit of time for a manager to settle in, for the players to adjust to his new tactics and sort out some backroom preferences without any 1st-day pressure would do any new manager wonders. If the alternative is some poor sod coming in the middle of February with a pre-existing squad who are devoid of confidence, whilst working under immediate time and pressure and having an agitated fanbase, it's a no-brainer. It'd also give the new manager time to appraise the squad over the next month and a half/two months before the January transfer window, and then means that we can go into it with a clear plan and a proper attempt to do something other than scrap for leftovers on deadline day.

Just my two pence.

I understand your logic, but there's a slight flaw within.

I believe that Egypt, Northern Ireland, Poland, Scotland, Belgium, the Republic of Ireland, Wales and Venezuela all have fixtures over this coming international break.

With that in mind Hegazi, Evans, McAuley, Krychowiak, Philips, Morrison, Chadli, McClean, Kanu and Rondon may all be away on international duty.

Oops, nearly forgot.

England.

Jake Livermore could be away too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 01, 2017, 10:50:30 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 10:31:12 AM
Does anyone think Jeremy would have acted by now?

Yep. Trigger would have been pulled.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 01, 2017, 11:02:25 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 10:31:12 AM
Does anyone think Jeremy would have acted by now?

Without a doubt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 01, 2017, 11:07:41 AM
I've always tried to look at the bigger picture , this is a unfair league and with that thought I've just about accepted TP's methods. I will say now IF we line up pretty much the same of late , if he tries that midfield three again and if we have yet another poor performance with no win then I think he'll lose the support of the middle of the roaders like myself.
Forget playing fantasy football selections Tony and pick the right players with the right balance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 01, 2017, 11:27:54 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 10:31:12 AM
Does anyone think Jeremy would have acted by now?
Probably, and then got another Irvine in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on November 01, 2017, 11:30:48 AM
As an often conflicted supporter of Pulis based solely on results over fancy football, he's not getting results. And can't blame a post 40 point foot off the gas reaction this season.

He sets us up to defend and we let goals in - his team offers largely nothing now. Best squad we've had in a long time and they can't win.

Lose Saturday and he needs to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 01, 2017, 11:35:06 AM
Quote from: PsalmXXIII on November 01, 2017, 11:30:48 AM
As an often conflicted supporter of Pulis based solely on results over fancy football, he's not getting results. And can't blame a post 40 point foot off the gas reaction this season.

He sets us up to defend and we let goals in - his team offers largely nothing now. Best squad we've had in a long time and they can't win.

Lose Saturday and he needs to go.

Beyond a doubt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 01, 2017, 11:42:50 AM
I find it baffling we are letting soft goals in yet the best ball winner below the top 6 sits on our bench , I could understand if the rest of the team kept the ball better as that is Yacobs weakness but they don't .
Baffling Tony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 01, 2017, 12:14:02 PM
the board seem to be lacking in balls, I can see a scenario where we have to put up with this until the end of the season and then maybe they'll pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 12:28:33 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on November 01, 2017, 12:14:02 PM
the board seem to be lacking in balls, I can see a scenario where we have to put up with this until the end of the season and then maybe they'll pull the trigger.


what and get relegated.
The selection again on Saturday will determine the mood befor the kickoff
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 01, 2017, 12:29:01 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on November 01, 2017, 12:14:02 PM
the board seem to be lacking in balls, I can see a scenario where we have to put up with this until the end of the season and then maybe they'll pull the trigger.

Like i mentioned on a earlier post, the board may be worried that a relegation rival would appoint Pulis and he'll get them out of trouble. That may be swinging their thoughts right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba1993dave on November 01, 2017, 12:35:16 PM
Possibly Swansea or Bournemouth would go for TP if he got the boot here. Other clubs wouldn't touch him due to the damaging tag he brings with him. We finished above his teams before anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 01, 2017, 12:58:52 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 01, 2017, 11:35:06 AM
Beyond a doubt.
If he goes after Saturday surely we will have Megson as caretaker until a replacement is found.
As iconic as he is at the club can't see this as progression.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 01, 2017, 01:31:37 PM
A reminder of site rules guys , no talking managerial replacements until there is a vacancy.
This is at the site owners request , thanks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 01, 2017, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 10:31:12 AM
Does anyone think Jeremy would have acted by now?

And if the new board does act will you, regardless of what happens between now and Boxing Day  ;) ?

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/november/half-season-tickets-on-sale/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on November 01, 2017, 01:34:40 PM
And if the new board does act will you, regardless of what happens between now and Boxing Day  ;) ?

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/november/half-season-tickets-on-sale/

as soon as its official hes gone i will be the first on the phone to renew. i dont mind travelling as long as i know we are trying to win a game of football. i miss not coming more than i thought
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 01, 2017, 02:28:17 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 02:26:59 PM
as soon as its official hes gone i will be the first on the phone to renew. i dont mind travelling as long as i know we are trying to win a game of football. i miss not coming more than i thought

Fair enough, here's hoping Buckley doesn't make a come back should the board decide to act  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on November 01, 2017, 02:32:32 PM
Quote from: Sted1990 on October 31, 2017, 10:28:06 PM
Feel for Megson as I imagine he needs the job/money a lot more than others having been out of work for so long...
Well that's his own bloody fault for being such a nasty piece of work. Caused too many problems at most of the clubs he's managed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 02:32:45 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on November 01, 2017, 02:28:17 PM
Fair enough, here's hoping Buckley doesn't make a come back should the board decide to act  ;D  ;) .


you know what, would would still purchase as long as hes gone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 01, 2017, 02:37:27 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 02:26:59 PM
as soon as its official hes gone i will be the first on the phone to renew. i dont mind travelling as long as i know we are trying to win a game of football. i miss not coming more than i thought

This is what I cor get my head around, he goes and everyone one of the stay awayer's come back to the Hawthorns. What happens if the team don't change and are still in the Pulis mode of playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 01, 2017, 03:23:03 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 01, 2017, 02:37:27 PM
This is what I cor get my head around, he goes and everyone one of the stay awayer's come back to the Hawthorns. What happens if the team don't change and are still in the Pulis mode of playing.
My sentiments exactly. I tried to ask the question on another thread about how we change our style and, if Pulis did it would they be happy?

I want better football, plain and simple. If Pulis can deliver that then happy for him to stay. If he can't then the next bloke HAS to have a different mindset.
No point getting rid if we replace him with someone who does the same thing worse!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 01, 2017, 02:37:27 PM
This is what I cor get my head around, he goes and everyone one of the stay awayer's come back to the Hawthorns. What happens if the team don't change and are still in the Pulis mode of playing.


its not just his style and come on nobody else could ever be this negative,These footballers can easily adapt to what they are capable of. its the bloke himself. i dont like him full of bullcrap and praise for everybody else.
he like little wee krankie running up and down shouting his gob off . just dont like the bloke. god knows why hes a media darling because they are quick enough to slag off the way we play
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 01, 2017, 04:40:02 PM
If he changed the set up, attitude and style, i would go more often.
For me him and his personality are just an annoyance.

The cowardly anti-football (I accept, IMO) is un-forgivable it exemplifies the dis-regard for the fans who have invested their lives in supporting OUR club. In fact every week it rubs our noses in it.

For me football isn't about not losing, its not about time wasting, its not about defending en masse against inferior opposition, it is about providing a spectacle for your supporters that they will want to return to and discuss and revel in.

There's a distinction between TP and SGM's teams too, SGM always demanded commitment, tenacity and aggression in lieu of skill when required, whereas, TP demands stolid organisation and lack of individuality.

I don't want TP out per se , I want his non-football out, if that means he goes, good riddance!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 01, 2017, 05:09:48 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 01, 2017, 02:37:27 PM
This is what I cor get my head around, he goes and everyone one of the stay awayer's come back to the Hawthorns. What happens if the team don't change and are still in the Pulis mode of playing.
I'd come back, in fact screw it the team could go managerless.  the summer window was decent, but, Pulis has done little with it. Can't get much worse without him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on November 01, 2017, 06:06:51 PM
The only thing that is keeping Tone in the job is the reputation that he has never been relegated. But reputations don't win you matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 01, 2017, 06:40:14 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 01, 2017, 03:23:03 PM
My sentiments exactly. I tried to ask the question on another thread about how we change our style and, if Pulis did it would they be happy?

I want better football, plain and simple. If Pulis can deliver that then happy for him to stay. If he can't then the next bloke HAS to have a different mindset.
No point getting rid if we replace him with someone who does the same thing worse!!

But there in lies the problem. Pulis has had 3 years to change his methods. He has a squad worthy of the Premier League, as requested by himself, so he can't blame the board anymore. He has speed and skill among his squad members, so he can't use that excuse anymore. He has very good young players coming through the ranks. He has ALL the tools needed to play good football, yet cannot find it within himself to change his own methods. No one has put a gun to his head to insist he plays a certain way. He has chosen to play this dreadful, anti-football. Yet we continually hear excuse after excuse as to why he plays this rubbish. He would have us believe we are playing Barcelona week in, week out. For some unknown reason the press lap up the rubbish he spouts out. In one of his very first interviews when he joined he said he needed to asses the players in order to find a style of football that suited them. Well frankly Tony, we are still waiting, because instead of acting as you said (As Usual) you decided to inflict the only thing you knew on them. Dull, unadventurous football. And I believe he is so pig headed that he wont ever change, because he wont be able to take credit for it, due to the pressure he is under to change from the fans. It will be like admitting he was wrong all along. He's had ALL the chances he needs. No more excuses. I don't want to give him MORE time. And even if he changes the team a bit this week and we actually win a game, I still want him gone, because I know its only a matter of time before he reverts back again. His entire career is summed up in this team of ours right now. Cautious. Defensive. Solid. Unambitious. The board have shown too much patience this time. Im not for sacking managers as a rule, but enough is enough. They have given him the rope, and he is well and truly tightening it round his neck. Regardless of his excuses, he has one person to blame, and he sees him every time he looks in the mirror - plain and simple!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 07:18:19 PM
I got text of the day on WM tonight. Called them pussycats for giving the media darling an easy ride
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on November 01, 2017, 08:10:02 PM
Good appointment at the time, and for the next full season.  I could cope with the table football strategy when we won regularly, but I think other managers have him sussed now, they know they can spend the whole game on the front foot and swarm in attack as long as they leave 2 men back with Rondon/HRK/Rodriguez.

If he stays and we get relegated anyway we are the next Bolton/Blackburn.  If he stays and we stay up, its more of the same next year, so off with his head now and please try someone else quick while there's still a residue of team spirit left.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 01, 2017, 08:28:48 PM
never given relegation much thought up to now with Pulis and the squad we now have, but if he doesn't change his approach I think its quite a strong possibility he could take us down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 01, 2017, 08:31:44 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on November 01, 2017, 08:25:18 PM
“Every successful club is built on unity and that is what I shall strive to help bring to Albion. We need everyone together from top to bottom – the supporters, all the staff, the players, everyone who has an interest in the club’s welfare."

Tony's own words on his first day, kinda makes you think doesn't it...  ::)
yet he's somehow divided fans in a way I've never seen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Raymond John on November 01, 2017, 09:30:46 PM
I think a significant factor to the benefit of Mr Pulis is that the final say on his removal or otherwise lies not in the Albion's boardroom as has historically been the case but far away in China.

If you were Mr. Williams and little more than a few months ago you had strongly advised the new owner that the best way of protecting his investment was by retaining the services of a Manager who had never been relegated from the Premiership and the best way of ensuring that Manager remained committed to the club was to extend his contract by a further twelve months, you might be just a tad reluctant to admit to the owner that your advice had been so wrong that there was now a real possibility of relegation and the "investment protecting" Manager should now be dismissed. 

Your reluctance might well be reinforced by the fact that you would probably have to say that you hadn't a clue as to who should replace your "investment protecting" Manager as the Manager with the best record of saving clubs from relegation was the said Manager.

If you were Mr. Williams you might be thinking that asking permission to dismiss Mr Pulis at this relatively early stage in the season, would inevitably lead to some very pointed questions being asked of himself.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 01, 2017, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: Raymond John on November 01, 2017, 09:30:46 PM
I think a significant factor to the benefit of Mr Pulis is that the final say on his removal or otherwise lies not in the Albion's boardroom as has historically been the case but far away in China.

If you were Mr. Williams and little more than a few months ago you had strongly advised the new owner that the best way of protecting his investment was by retaining the services of a Manager who had never been relegated from the Premiership and the best way of ensuring that Manager remained committed to the club was to extend his contract by a further twelve months, you might be just a tad reluctant to admit to the owner that your advice had been so wrong that there was now a real possibility of relegation and the "investment protecting" Manager should now be dismissed. 

Your reluctance might well be reinforced by the fact that you would probably have to say that you hadn't a clue as to who should replace your "investment protecting" Manager as the Manager with the best record of saving clubs from relegation was the said Manager.

If you were Mr. Williams you might be thinking that asking permission to dismiss Mr Pulis at this relatively early stage in the season, would inevitably lead to some very pointed questions being asked of himself.
good post mate. I wonder how many times Williams has picked the phone up & dialled +86 and hung up. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on November 01, 2017, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: Raymond John on November 01, 2017, 09:30:46 PM
I think a significant factor to the benefit of Mr Pulis is that the final say on his removal or otherwise lies not in the Albion's boardroom as has historically been the case but far away in China.

If you were Mr. Williams and little more than a few months ago you had strongly advised the new owner that the best way of protecting his investment was by retaining the services of a Manager who had never been relegated from the Premiership and the best way of ensuring that Manager remained committed to the club was to extend his contract by a further twelve months, you might be just a tad reluctant to admit to the owner that your advice had been so wrong that there was now a real possibility of relegation and the "investment protecting" Manager should now be dismissed. 

Your reluctance might well be reinforced by the fact that you would probably have to say that you hadn't a clue as to who should replace your "investment protecting" Manager as the Manager with the best record of saving clubs from relegation was the said Manager.

If you were Mr. Williams you might be thinking that asking permission to dismiss Mr Pulis at this relatively early stage in the season, would inevitably lead to some very pointed questions being asked of himself.

My worry is that the owner doesn't seem to be around much and when he is it almost always seems to be when we are playing one of the top six . He needs to see the Brighton  Southampton games etc and then ask questions . I hope for the clubs sake he has the wherewithal to act when necessary , personally I feel we are sleepwalking to the bottom 3.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 01, 2017, 10:05:28 PM
Quote from: Raymond John on November 01, 2017, 09:30:46 PM
I think a significant factor to the benefit of Mr Pulis is that the final say on his removal or otherwise lies not in the Albion's boardroom as has historically been the case but far away in China.

If you were Mr. Williams and little more than a few months ago you had strongly advised the new owner that the best way of protecting his investment was by retaining the services of a Manager who had never been relegated from the Premiership and the best way of ensuring that Manager remained committed to the club was to extend his contract by a further twelve months, you might be just a tad reluctant to admit to the owner that your advice had been so wrong that there was now a real possibility of relegation and the "investment protecting" Manager should now be dismissed. 

Your reluctance might well be reinforced by the fact that you would probably have to say that you hadn't a clue as to who should replace your "investment protecting" Manager as the Manager with the best record of saving clubs from relegation was the said Manager.

If you were Mr. Williams you might be thinking that asking permission to dismiss Mr Pulis at this relatively early stage in the season, would inevitably lead to some very pointed questions being asked of himself.
I would like to think the relationship between the chairman and the owner is strong enough to have previously discussed options, there should be succession plans in place should TP  resign activate any contractual clause, have long term illness etc, etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 01, 2017, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 01, 2017, 05:09:48 PM
I'd come back, in fact screw it the team could go managerless.  the summer window was decent, but, Pulis has done little with it. Can't get much worse without him

.....would not worry me.

I think we would do better. This team is capabale of FAR FAR more.

F off Tony, you are killing us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on November 01, 2017, 10:44:35 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 07:18:19 PM
I got text of the day on WM tonight. Called them pussycats for giving the media darling an easy ride

I was listening, they failed to address your point.. Try again
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on November 01, 2017, 10:56:32 PM
Quote from: Sted1990 on November 01, 2017, 10:44:35 PM
I was listening, they failed to address your point.. Try again

Same here, they just passed it off as a joke. You need to confront them directly on the station and demand an answer to what are fair valid points that were raised. If anyone has seen his pre and post match interviews he almost bullies the reporters by interrupting them before they finish their sentences. He needs to be told to shut his mouth and listen to the full question but the question needs to be a pressing one night some powder puff effort
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 01, 2017, 11:41:49 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 10:31:12 AM
Does anyone think Jeremy would have acted by now?
everyone in football has a sell by date and pulis is at the top end of his so yes JP would have had him gone if we lose to hudds,no room for sentiment in todays game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 02, 2017, 01:33:01 AM
Quote from: Mo on November 01, 2017, 10:02:19 PM
My worry is that the owner doesn't seem to be around much and when he is it almost always seems to be when we are playing one of the top six . He needs to see the Brighton  Southampton games etc and then ask questions . I hope for the clubs sake he has the wherewithal to act when necessary , personally I feel we are sleepwalking to the bottom 3.

I don't think it will be Lai who will pull the trigger it will be the local board. They may wait too long but the fear of relegation is what will drive them ultimately Lai's ownership strategy hinges on Albion being a Premier League nobody has a job if we get relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 02, 2017, 08:55:32 AM
Going nowhere according to E&S

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/02/tony-puliss-position-at-west-brom-not-under-immediate-threat/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/02/tony-puliss-position-at-west-brom-not-under-immediate-threat/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 02, 2017, 08:59:43 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 02, 2017, 08:55:32 AM
Going nowhere according to E&S

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/02/tony-puliss-position-at-west-brom-not-under-immediate-threat/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/02/tony-puliss-position-at-west-brom-not-under-immediate-threat/)

and Brummie Mail

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/opinion-pressure-west-brom-boss-13842383
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 02, 2017, 09:31:17 AM
Lets hope its kind of the vote of confidence thing, the thought of him here if we loose to Huddersfield with a poor performance makes me sad. the atmosphere for you folk going to games must be turgid like the football itself
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 02, 2017, 09:49:05 AM
Quote from: BB74 on October 29, 2017, 08:20:56 AM
I'm not sure this forum and social media represents the whole fan base.

On the Radio WM phone in there was still quite a bit of support for Pulis. Also, the supporters club Chairman has lent Pulis his support (which he wouldn't do if he felt the tide had turned).

Average attendances are up as well.

I don't see an imminent change.

I'm in the Pulis out camp by the way.

I said this the other day and I still believe it.

Hopefully todays news is the dreaded vote of confidence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 02, 2017, 09:51:48 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 02, 2017, 09:31:17 AM
Lets hope its kind of the vote of confidence thing, the thought of him here if we loose to Huddersfield with a poor performance makes me sad. the atmosphere for you folk going to games must be turgid like the football itself

Not for me it aye Glyn.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 02, 2017, 09:58:07 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 02, 2017, 08:55:32 AM
Going nowhere according to E&S

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/02/tony-puliss-position-at-west-brom-not-under-immediate-threat/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/02/tony-puliss-position-at-west-brom-not-under-immediate-threat/)

A sentence with two meanings for me......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 02, 2017, 12:12:22 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 02, 2017, 09:58:07 AM
A sentence with two meanings for me......
Beginning of the end hopefully.
The fact that they need to deny it, means they have to have discussed it, and are aware of fan's discontent.
I hope we win on Saturday, can never want anything else, but, if we don't and he gets the boot on Sunday, I shall be doing a little jig as hope is finally restored.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 02, 2017, 12:15:30 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 02, 2017, 12:12:22 PM
Beginning of the end hopefully.
The fact that they need to deny it, means they have to have discussed it, and are aware of fan's discontent.
I hope we win on Saturday, can never want anything else, but, if we don't and he gets the boot on Sunday, I shall be doing a little jig as hope is finally restored.

If he was given the boot (which I think won’t happen till at least December) I won’t be doing any jigs until his successor is announced. Can anybody remember that feeling when Irvine was announced?! I genuinely thought it was a joke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 02, 2017, 12:17:10 PM
Hey guys,been away a while.
I'm tired of the bland now.
We have the best squad for years and its still bland.
No excitement,no getup of your seats play.
TP & GM are the same man.
We have the right players but the wrong coaches.
Imagine what a top coach could do here.
It could be amazing as it is its bland its magnolia.
No wonder so many empty seats.
These coaches have had their day now time to move onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 02, 2017, 01:03:21 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on November 02, 2017, 12:17:10 PM
Hey guys,been away a while.
I'm tired of the bland now.
We have the best squad for years and its still bland.
No excitement,no getup of your seats play.
TP & GM are the same man.
We have the right players but the wrong coaches.
Imagine what a top coach could do here.
It could be amazing as it is its bland its magnolia.
No wonder so many empty seats.
These coaches have had their day now time to move onwards and upwards.

thing is it doesn't need to be a top coach, just a coach with a more progressive/positive way of playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 02, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
Yep, I agree with you Hull.
Like a big Ron,I bet he could still do a job here eh?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 02, 2017, 01:37:55 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/02/tony-puliss-position-at-west-brom-not-under-immediate-threat

Jesus Christ that's me out until the new year. Heading into a relegation battle and the board have their collective heads up their arrises. Pulis and Megson have let this happen and the board have let them. How Empty does the Stadium have to be?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 02, 2017, 02:09:09 PM
He should be looking at our closest midland rivals.
1st and 5th in the league below.
We could change places if he doesn't change.
He is sucking the life blood out of our team, with his methods.
Halloween is only for one day, but we have to put up with this vampire for season after season.
We need Jonathan Harker to help the Albion out of those depths he has dragged us down to.
Vlad the impaler?
More like Pulis the Failure, if he carries on like he has.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 02, 2017, 02:16:31 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 02, 2017, 08:59:43 AM
and Brummie Mail

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/opinion-pressure-west-brom-boss-13842383 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/opinion-pressure-west-brom-boss-13842383)


I have been trying to tell you all...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 02, 2017, 02:20:06 PM
Boo just a random gutter press journalist opinion piece.

Was hoping it was going to be an official vote of confidence to get us all excited.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 02, 2017, 02:36:58 PM
He's at it again. Bore off Tone, sick of the same dribble being spouted every week.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-worries-tony-pulis-west-13848114 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-worries-tony-pulis-west-13848114)

Tony Pulis is fearful of the partisan crowd that awaits West Bromwch Albion on Saturday with Huddersfield Town still buzzing off Premier League promotion.

Huddersfield will be backed by a passionate sell out crowd at the John Smith's Stadium where Tottenham Hotspur have been the only away team to emerge with a victory this season.

Manchester United were beaten in Town's last home game and Pulis knows the Terriers' noisy support, in the club's first Premier League campaign, could build an intimidating environment for his players.

"The clubs who are promoted, their first seasons in the Premier League is all fresh and new, so they’re excited win lose or draw," Pulis said.

"The atmosphere that is generated.

"We went to Brighton, I’ve been to Huddersfield this season, it’s an extraordinary atmosphere so you’re always going to get that with newly-promoted clubs."

All three of the promoted clubs are well clear of danger at this stage with Newcastle United ninth, despite their defeat at Burnley on Monday night, Brighton 12th and Huddersfield 13th.

Albion, without a league win since August, were well beaten by Brighton in September.

And Pulis reckons the calibre of the three newcomers has made the top flight more competitive and the survival fight more fraught.

"Look at Brighton and Huddersfield and what they’ve invested and then you’ve got Newcastle with a fantastic manager and not many people are going to go to St James’ Park and win there," Pulis said.

"So those three clubs have made the league much stronger than it’s been and it’s going to be tighter outside that top six.

"Every week is a tough game and you’ve got to make sure you do your damnedest.

"We've got a good group of players here and when everyone is fit it’s a good group.

"But we've got to get results.

"I think we've been very close and it’s not gone for us but we've got to show a bit of character."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 02, 2017, 02:55:09 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2017, 07:18:19 PM
I got text of the day on WM tonight. Called them pussycats for giving the media darling an easy ride
Here's your chance Glynn and any others who do Facebook (I don't BTW)
Friday at 2pm Albion reporter Rob Gurney is doing a live Q&A on FB
https://m.facebook.com/bbcwmsport
Ask him why the media including himself won't/don't askTP the hard questions like why are your tactics always so negative? Why do you play every game to hold on to the 0-0 you start with? etc etc
Good luck with getting an answer!
Would someone who is FB literate let the rest of us know whats said please?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 02, 2017, 02:59:53 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on November 02, 2017, 02:55:09 PM
Here's your chance Glynn and any others who do Facebook (I don't BTW)
Friday at 2pm Albion reporter Rob Gurney is doing a live Q&A on FB
https://m.facebook.com/bbcwmsport
Ask him why the media including himself won't/don't askTP the hard questions like why are your tactics always so negative? Why do you play every game to hold on to the 0-0 you start with? etc etc
Good luck with getting an answer!
Would someone who is FB literate let the rest of us know whats said please?


cheers Big Frank :)

as for post above pulis going on about atmosphere, he certainly knows how to put a stop to it, did he not say arrrd this time.
He knows hes on thin ice
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 02, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
there's a way to shut the home fans up tone, you've been in the game long enough to work it out but here's a clue.
don't sit back and concede all the possession of the ball to your opponents giving them confidence until they score that makes the home crowd more boisterous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 02, 2017, 03:20:12 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 02, 2017, 02:59:53 PM

cheers Big Frank :)

as for post above pulis going on about atmosphere, he certainly knows how to put a stop to it, did he not say arrrd this time.
He knows hes on thin ice

Tone's got his excuse ready early this week I see  the board are failing us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 02, 2017, 04:05:38 PM
I wonder if the supporters who had a ' gut feeling ' we were going to win this saturday still have the same feeling after having heard or read our Tone's comments............I dont know about anyone else but it fills me with trepidation !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 02, 2017, 04:11:06 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 02, 2017, 02:36:58 PM
He's at it again. Bore off Tone, sick of the same dribble being spouted every week.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-worries-tony-pulis-west-13848114 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-worries-tony-pulis-west-13848114)

Tony Pulis is fearful of the partisan crowd that awaits West Bromwch Albion on Saturday with Huddersfield Town still buzzing off Premier League promotion.

Huddersfield will be backed by a passionate sell out crowd at the John Smith's Stadium where Tottenham Hotspur have been the only away team to emerge with a victory this season.

Manchester United were beaten in Town's last home game and Pulis knows the Terriers' noisy support, in the club's first Premier League campaign, could build an intimidating environment for his players.

"The clubs who are promoted, their first seasons in the Premier League is all fresh and new, so they’re excited win lose or draw," Pulis said.

"The atmosphere that is generated.

"We went to Brighton, I’ve been to Huddersfield this season, it’s an extraordinary atmosphere so you’re always going to get that with newly-promoted clubs."

All three of the promoted clubs are well clear of danger at this stage with Newcastle United ninth, despite their defeat at Burnley on Monday night, Brighton 12th and Huddersfield 13th.

Albion, without a league win since August, were well beaten by Brighton in September.

And Pulis reckons the calibre of the three newcomers has made the top flight more competitive and the survival fight more fraught.

"Look at Brighton and Huddersfield and what they’ve invested and then you’ve got Newcastle with a fantastic manager and not many people are going to go to St James’ Park and win there," Pulis said.

"So those three clubs have made the league much stronger than it’s been and it’s going to be tighter outside that top six.

"Every week is a tough game and you’ve got to make sure you do your damnedest.

"We've got a good group of players here and when everyone is fit it’s a good group.

"But we've got to get results.

"I think we've been very close and it’s not gone for us but we've got to show a bit of character."
Talks a lot, says nothing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 02, 2017, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Greenock Baggie on November 02, 2017, 04:05:38 PM
I wonder if the supporters who had a ' gut feeling ' we were going to win this saturday still have the same feeling after having heard or read our Tone's comments............I dont know about anyone else but it fills me with trepidation !!!

YES :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on November 02, 2017, 04:29:49 PM
If we changed the style but results were still mediocre, would people accept that?

Or does the style have to change and we get results for people to back him?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on November 02, 2017, 04:36:21 PM
Pulis has always been about results which is why now they've dried up, the majority of our fanbase is turning against him.

I think either way (win or lose over the next few matches), it's the beginning of the end for him at Albion.

I'd love to see a fresh face come in personally with fresh ideas.............
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 02, 2017, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on November 02, 2017, 04:29:49 PM
If we changed the style but results were still mediocre, would people accept that?

Or does the style have to change and we get results for people to back him?

Revise the style and mediocre results - I'd take that for now.
Mediocrity will survive relegation this season also , in my opinion of course
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 02, 2017, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on November 02, 2017, 04:29:49 PM
If we changed the style but results were still mediocre, would people accept that?

Or does the style have to change and we get results for people to back him?

Same as Roy. A bit more guile and passion is what I am after and with the players we have around that should not be too much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 02, 2017, 04:54:40 PM
hate the way he sets up like we are second best to every other team in the league, nobody else plays with such a negative stance so why do we? this system with three defensive midfielders is clearly not working and he would be more respected if he tried something different. we are not getting the results needed so what's to lose by being more attack minded especially against teams we know we are equal to or is he just so pig headed that its to be his way and no other.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 02, 2017, 05:20:41 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on November 02, 2017, 04:29:49 PM
If we changed the style but results were still mediocre, would people accept that?

Or does the style have to change and we get results for people to back him?

I'd take football that's entertaining that's what it's meant to be Both Pulis and Megson are incapable delivering it. Shame about megson what he did first time can't be forgotten. BUT, They were backed. They did not deal with the obvious problems we had in the squad It needs a freash face
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: M666EYS on November 02, 2017, 05:25:42 PM
Logged back in for first time for a long time.

Many on here know when pulis was appointed, i said all this was going to happen. I predicted fans would get restless and sick of the style of football.

Seems like the day has finally come.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on November 02, 2017, 05:26:58 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 02, 2017, 04:54:40 PM
hate the way he sets up like we are second best to every other team in the league, nobody else plays with such a negative stance so why do we? this system with three defensive midfielders is clearly not working

That's why he's interested in Carrick and the Brazilian bloke. That way we can have five defensive midfielders.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Canmore Baggie on November 02, 2017, 05:28:09 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on November 02, 2017, 04:29:49 PM
If we changed the style but results were still mediocre, would people accept that?

Or does the style have to change and we get results for people to back him?

It's a great question. As has been said here already, people have tolerance for shyte football when we are winning - as shown during our Nov-Jan run last year, but no tolerance when we don't. I was far more forgiving of bad runs under Mowbray than I am now, that's for sure.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 02, 2017, 06:30:05 PM
His whole managerial career has been based around his current style of football, so why should we expect a huge shift in tactics. He doesn't know how to coach a more adventurous approach on the pitch. He has no idea how to set up to actually go and win a game by out playing the opposition. All he can do is stifle the opponent, and hope its enough. as someone once said - "Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results". Well our Tone hasn't learnt a single thing these last few weeks. Lets hope he comes out with the classic "If the supporters don't back me (So I feel wanted) then I might just leave". He will NEVER change, because he doesn't know how - And if he did now how he still wouldn't change because he WILL NOT be told how to run a football club. Hence he has achieved mediocrity all his career.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 02, 2017, 06:31:35 PM
Quote from: Canmore Baggie on November 02, 2017, 05:28:09 PM
It's a great question. As has been said here already, people have tolerance for shyte football when we are winning - as shown during our Nov-Jan run last year, but no tolerance when we don't. I was far more forgiving of bad runs under Mowbray than I am now, that's for sure.
Please enlighten me to the games in which we played shyte football during last seasons run.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 02, 2017, 06:32:54 PM
Hopefully Coleman will leave the Wales job, and they will take TP off our hands - At least that way we get some compensation too  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 02, 2017, 06:57:10 PM
Quote from: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 02, 2017, 06:32:54 PM
Hopefully Coleman will leave the Wales job, and they will take TP off our hands - At least that way we get some compensation too  ;D
no chance, they pay too little for one. It also opens the horrible possibility that Coleman may come to us  :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Raglan on November 02, 2017, 07:37:07 PM
Just a thought after a long time away. Where are Blackburn Rovers in the leagues now.?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 02, 2017, 08:11:46 PM
Quote from: Raglan on November 02, 2017, 07:37:07 PM
Just a thought after a long time away. Where are Blackburn Rovers in the leagues now.?

League one with Mowbray as manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 03, 2017, 01:08:14 AM
Thought I'd look at Williams record as Blackburn Chairman with regard to managers and possible triggers for sackings

Sam Allardyce 17-12-2008 to 13-12-2010 Fired by the Venkys and replaced by Steve Kean Williams resigned a year latter unable to work with the owners. Left to his own devices I'm fairly sure Williams would not have pulled the trigger with Rovers being comfortably in mid-table at the time.

Paul Ince 22-06-2008 to 16-12-2008 A very obvious misstep but one that was understandable, at the time he was appointed Ince was seen as a rising star having cut his managerial teeth at Macclesfield and MK Dons. However after 3 wins in 17 games with Ince very obviously out of his depth Williams sacked him after a 6 game losing streak which saw Rovers in 19th place 5 points from safety.

Mark Hughes 15-09-2004 to  04-06-2008 Not fired by Williams but poached by Man City. At no point was Hughes under achieving so very little reason for Williams to fire him.

Graeme Souness 14-03-2000 to 06-09-2004 Williams first appointment took Blackburn back to the Premier League and established them as a top 10 side. Souness was relatively successful but towards the end of his reign there were rumblings about his overly authoritarian style of management but before matters came to a head he defected to Newcastle.

From the above it is plain that Williams is not trigger happy. However the only appointment which he terminated was Ince the others moved on to better things. He might have been a little slow in firing Ince because by the time he did Rovers were in a perilous position and were probably a little fortunate to escape.

Equally the appointments were all British conservative and well established managers.

From this I would suspect that Pulis will get time and won't be fired until we are actually in the relegation zone rather than trending towards it. I also suspect that Pulis' future might be further protected by the lack of a very obvious traditional British Coach to replace him.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 03, 2017, 08:44:44 AM
Very informative, thanks. I would say based on Williams being in charge now then Allardyce seems a very logical next appointment given the history between the two.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on November 03, 2017, 09:10:33 AM
I think he will get to Xmas at least, i expect us to be in the bottom three by the end of this month but then we have 4-6 'winnable' games (though that hasnt gone to plan since end of August!)

I said previous i expect us to repeat the pattern of the last two seasons where we nick points here and there, do enough and stay in the league, it wont be pretty but it will achieve what the owners want - premier league football.

I think they will take notice of the empty seats, the bad atmosphere, etc because they also want to market 'the brand' but for this season i expect it to be business as usual with probably at the end of the season a parting of ways.

Pulis himself maybe will even had enough by then as i dont see him changing how he plays so although he has a thick skin, he probably has another 6 months of general negativity towards him (often brought on by himself) which i think would take its toll on anyone.

Its very similar to how it ended at Stoke where in their final season things went sour, the only way i can see things changing early is if we suffer a really embarrassing result, ie - 6-0 defeat at one our rivals or we are rock bottom at xmas which i just dont see happening.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 03, 2017, 09:22:16 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on November 02, 2017, 04:29:49 PM
If we changed the style but results were still mediocre, would people accept that?

Or does the style have to change and we get results for people to back him?
Yep.
Even if we bring in a progressive, attack minded manager, I wouldn't expect our points total to go up much and we'd still be in the 8th-17th bracket.
The difference would be that, if we played on the front foot, we could go into every game with HOPE. Ok we might get a few tankings, which doesn't really happen now, but we'd at least look forward to games.
Under Pulis we know exactly what we are going to get and it is so God awful, that even the wins are diluted and drab.
He has taken away the HOPE and ANTICIPATION, which are the stock emotions of any football fan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 03, 2017, 11:26:44 AM
as he spouted his verbal rubbish yet
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 03, 2017, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 03, 2017, 11:26:44 AM
as he spouted his verbal rubbish yet

Oh yeah today might even be peak Pulis. Going Huddersfield will be like a cup final. I think the players in his squad who have been to actual cup finals represented their countries at the highest level played in play off finals big derby games etc...  might not see it that way
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 03, 2017, 12:56:12 PM
he has to win this weekend or he will be biting the bullet as I cant see us getting any points for the 2 games after.

better late than never I guess
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on November 03, 2017, 01:12:37 PM
TP at the press conference suggests that we should have 6 more points and no one would be moaning. He’s totally oblivious to the problem that it’s the dismal performances.  My reply would be that if we hadn’t scored with virtually our only chance in each of the first two matches we would be 19th and this meeting would probably not be taking place !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 03, 2017, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on November 02, 2017, 02:55:09 PM
Here's your chance Glynn and any others who do Facebook (I don't BTW)
Friday at 2pm Albion reporter Rob Gurney is doing a live Q&A on FB
https://m.facebook.com/bbcwmsport
Ask him why the media including himself won't/don't askTP the hard questions like why are your tactics always so negative? Why do you play every game to hold on to the 0-0 you start with? etc etc
Good luck with getting an answer!
Would someone who is FB literate let the rest of us know whats said please?



2PM folks questions and answers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 03, 2017, 02:39:15 PM
TONY Pulis hailed the effort of his Baggies players as he addressed the media ahead of the trip to Huddersfield on Saturday (ko 3pm).

The Baggies boss has been left frustrated with injuries to key members of his squad in the early stages of the Premier League season. But Tony has hailed his troops for their consistent effort in the campaign so far.

"If I get everyone fit I know which team I'd want to pick.

"I know what balance that team would be and what we'd do.

"Up until we get those players fit, we'll try and get the best out of what we've got. And that's what they do. They give us everything."

And the Baggies boss believes his side could be at least six points better off if not for a few lapses of concentration.

"We've been our own worst enemies. We could be sitting here with another six points easily.

"When you're winning you get overpraised and when you're losing you get slaughtered.

"Everybody gets that. There's no middle ground anymore. I have to accept it."


Will he ever accept the blame himself?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 03, 2017, 03:08:30 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 03, 2017, 01:51:57 PM


2PM folks questions and answers
just had a look, there's only 2 questions so far. in other words a waste of time unless I am looking in the wrong place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on November 03, 2017, 03:12:50 PM
Have to say for the first time since he has been here i am wondering if Pulis is losing the plot a bit himself.

What he says doesnt make sense, we are missing Morrison, thats it, a player who has been here 10 years, who although a decent player plays well one in every 3 games and who last season was close to leaving on a free. I find it hard to believe that one player will change our whole approach, okay will improve it with Morrison but off top of my head he is quite often subbed or sub when he is fit.

If he is acknowledging we miss an attacking midfielder, why not play Chadli, tell the other two in midfield they are their to defend / protect, thats what role Morrison would play i assume?

Burke a couple of months ago Pulis said was one for the future so i doubt he will be starting anytime soon, Dawson has missed one game so far.

All squads get injuries, suspensions, etc just dont think it really makes sense what he is saying.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 03, 2017, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on November 03, 2017, 03:12:50 PM
Have to say for the first time since he has been here i am wondering if Pulis is losing the plot a bit himself.

What he says doesnt make sense, we are missing Morrison, thats it, a player who has been here 10 years, who although a decent player plays well one in every 3 games and who last season was close to leaving on a free. I find it hard to believe that one player will change our whole approach, okay will improve it with Morrison but off top of my head he is quite often subbed or sub when he is fit.

If he is acknowledging we miss an attacking midfielder, why not play Chadli, tell the other two in midfield they are their to defend / protect, thats what role Morrison would play i assume?

Burke a couple of months ago Pulis said was one for the future so i doubt he will be starting anytime soon, Dawson has missed one game so far.

All squads get injuries, suspensions, etc just dont think it really makes sense what he is saying.
Agree. Absolute straw clutching nonsense.
Of the injured, only Dawson was a starter and he was playing out of position.
How do the players, that are playing, feel, when he makes out that these injuries are making him field a weaker side?
Certainly smacks of a man on the back foot, who doesn't have the courage to admit that his (outdated) philosophy isn't working anymore. That's probably because, if he admits it, he would have to change it and that's something he just isn't brave enough to do.
For the first time, I think his days might actually be numbered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 03, 2017, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 03, 2017, 03:08:30 PM
just had a look, there's only 2 questions so far. in other words a waste of time unless I am looking in the wrong place.

The atmosphere on there was about a drab as the Hawthorns, folk have lost interest
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on November 03, 2017, 04:19:18 PM
perhaps he is looking to get sacked
if he gets sacked he gets a big payoff and can afford to pay his legal bill
and then gets another job etc
perhaps producing football that is physically painful to watch for the brief moments that we have the ball is all part of his plan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 03, 2017, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on November 03, 2017, 03:12:50 PM
Have to say for the first time since he has been here i am wondering if Pulis is losing the plot a bit himself.

What he says doesnt make sense, we are missing Morrison, thats it, a player who has been here 10 years, who although a decent player plays well one in every 3 games and who last season was close to leaving on a free. I find it hard to believe that one player will change our whole approach, okay will improve it with Morrison but off top of my head he is quite often subbed or sub when he is fit.

If he is acknowledging we miss an attacking midfielder, why not play Chadli, tell the other two in midfield they are their to defend / protect, thats what role Morrison would play i assume?

Burke a couple of months ago Pulis said was one for the future so i doubt he will be starting anytime soon, Dawson has missed one game so far.

All squads get injuries, suspensions, etc just dont think it really makes sense what he is saying.
Chadli is more lightweight i.e. a No 10 not an attacking midfielder who can muck in with the midfield graft when required. I just hope Pulis and the club realise we can't rely on Morrison's fitness and we need to buy a good AM.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 03, 2017, 08:28:35 PM
In real life and in industry..
If you worked really aarrd and yet produced nothing, the managers' would soon be looking for a job.
How does he get away with it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 03, 2017, 11:25:36 PM
Every game Pulis sets the team up to draw 0-0. If we work aaarrrd, we might keep a clean sheet and nick one from a set piece.

That is not entertainment. Only the owners benefit if we play park the bus hoof ball and stay in the Prem.

This is the worst I've felt about being a Albion supporter, since we lost 10 on the trot in the old 1st Division.

How any fan can support/defend Pulis is beyond me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 03, 2017, 11:51:12 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on November 03, 2017, 11:25:36 PM
Every game Pulis sets the team up to draw 0-0. If we work aaarrrd, we might keep a clean sheet and nick one from a set piece.

That is not entertainment. Only the owners benefit if we play park the bus hoof ball and stay in the Prem.

This is the worst I've felt about being a Albion supporter, since we lost 10 on the trot in the old 1st Division.

How any fan can support/defend Pulis is beyond me.

You must have felt terrible by the time we lost the eleventh one on the bounce to Port Vale  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 04, 2017, 03:28:33 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 03, 2017, 02:39:15 PM
TONY Pulis hailed the effort of his Baggies players as he addressed the media ahead of the trip to Huddersfield on Saturday (ko 3pm).

The Baggies boss has been left frustrated with injuries to key members of his squad in the early stages of the Premier League season. But Tony has hailed his troops for their consistent effort in the campaign so far.

"If I get everyone fit I know which team I'd want to pick.

"I know what balance that team would be and what we'd do.

"Up until we get those players fit, we'll try and get the best out of what we've got. And that's what they do. They give us everything."

And the Baggies boss believes his side could be at least six points better off if not for a few lapses of concentration.

"We've been our own worst enemies. We could be sitting here with another six points easily.

"When you're winning you get overpraised and when you're losing you get slaughtered.

"Everybody gets that. There's no middle ground anymore. I have to accept it."


Will he ever accept the blame himself?

It's getting boring and pathetic now listening to or reading the nonsense he speaks and excuses that he keeps making especially on the injury front. Not going to endear him to others in the squad who he deems not suitable to get the balance of the team correct as he sees it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 04, 2017, 09:24:11 AM
now he's having a pop at the pundits.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/909275487?-11200:789:0

he omits supporters concerns in his last paragraph.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 04, 2017, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 04, 2017, 09:24:11 AM
now he's having a pop at the pundits.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/909275487?-11200:789:0

he omits supporters concerns in his last paragraph.

There seems to be a bit of a theme nationwide of people criticising "experts" for talking about what they've spent their life learning about.

Seems he's just using it as a way to dismiss what they (and we) are saying without ever having to address the substantive criticisms or face that they might have a point. Always the sign of a losing position - if you can't attack the argument, attack the person!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: wbawill on November 04, 2017, 11:27:13 AM
There seems to be a bit of a theme nationwide of people criticising "experts" for talking about what they've spent their life learning about.

Seems he's just using it as a way to dismiss what they (and we) are saying without ever having to address the substantive criticisms or face that they might have a point. Always the sign of a losing position - if you can't attack the argument, attack the person!

Not sure Pundits are experts, certainly not as expert Coaches

I think Pulis has a point, & probably supported by Megson, who I remember coming out with a similar comment years ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 11:54:02 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 11:44:39 AM
Not sure Pundits are experts, certainly not as expert Coaches

I think Pulis has a point, & probably supported by Megson, who I remember coming out with a similar comment years ago.


Was about to post similar. In this case Pulis IS the expert, and it is the fans discounting what he says  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 04, 2017, 01:16:12 PM
Well its not long to wait to see what line up TP is putting out today. I fear more of the same, because he knows he can't afford to lose this match. Alas I can only see one team winning today. We will sit back and encourage them to attack, whilst offering little in response. Part of me wants us to lose so that hopefully we can see the back of TP, but it always ruins my weekend when that happens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 01:21:56 PM
Pulis won't be sacked tonight even if we lose so just try and enjoy the game instead of secretly hoping we get beat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 04, 2017, 01:25:45 PM
I can live in hope

Because thats all I have left
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 04, 2017, 01:30:47 PM
It’s sad that it’s come to us needed to beat Huddersfield to ensure some we are on the right path.

Why can’t we all show a little ambition and want more than that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 04, 2017, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 01:21:56 PM
Pulis won't be sacked tonight even if we lose so just try and enjoy the game instead of secretly hoping we get beat.

You do realise something has to be 'enjoyable' in order for people to 'enjoy' it don't you?

If you find the dross pulis serves enjoyable you must be very easily pleased!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 04, 2017, 02:04:41 PM
That line up sums him up.

Shambles.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on November 04, 2017, 02:18:18 PM
He reminds me of a Sunday league manager. Has his favourites (as does every manager) but absolutely insists they play regardless of how they play or formation or tactics even if it's to the detriment of the team. So bloody minded.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on November 04, 2017, 02:22:14 PM
I’m convinced he’s trying to get the sack. He will be paid off and can walk away with his ‘never been relegated’ still in tact..... either that or he’s genuinely lost the plot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 04, 2017, 02:38:53 PM
He "bigs" the opposition up before every match. Their coach/manager doesn't have to do anything, just tell them that little ol' Albion are scared of them, and has the proof in front of them. No wonder they all come out "geed up".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 04, 2017, 02:44:25 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on November 04, 2017, 02:22:14 PM
I’m convinced he’s trying to get the sack. He will be paid off and can walk away with his ‘never been relegated’ still in tact..... either that or he’s genuinely lost the plot.
usually in todays envoiroment they are put on gardening leave so I cant see where hes going to gain in getting the sack
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on November 04, 2017, 02:59:47 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on November 04, 2017, 02:44:25 PM
usually in todays envoiroment they are put on gardening leave so I cant see where hes going to gain in getting the sack
He would have his contract paid in full so financially would be just as well off as he is staying in the job and wouldn’t have ‘relegated’ on his CV.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 03:52:56 PM
PLEASE GO. YOU HAVE KILLED MY CLUB.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mig on November 04, 2017, 03:59:04 PM
Three defensive midfielders against a newly-promoted club - so so embarrassing.

Not even like it is a smart move - his starting line-ups invite pressure and it's incredibly hard to defend for 90 mins against anyone in the Prem these days. Even more so with error-prone defenders like some of ours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dway on November 04, 2017, 04:02:24 PM
Get Mcinnes in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 04, 2017, 04:05:06 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 03:52:56 PM
PLEASE GO. YOU HAVE KILLED MY CLUB.

Please he can't stay now can he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 04, 2017, 04:05:06 PM
Please he can't stay now can he?

Oh how much I'd hope for that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on November 04, 2017, 04:24:13 PM
Needs to be sacked tonight ot 1st thing sunday morning
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on November 04, 2017, 04:28:43 PM
5 at the back, 3 in defensive midfield and time-wasting from the first kick... against a newly-promoted side.

Embarrassing.

Time to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 04, 2017, 04:41:45 PM
1st time in 40 years supporting The Baggies, I want us to lose.

I want us to continue to lose, until Pulis is out of our club.

I'm sure I'm not alone.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 04, 2017, 04:52:46 PM
I don't think he will go anywhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cheesyknackers on November 04, 2017, 04:54:16 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on November 04, 2017, 04:41:45 PM
1st time in 40 years supporting The Baggies, I want us to lose.

I want us to continue to lose, until Pulis is out of our club.

I'm sure I'm not alone.

Youre not alone . Once Huddersfield scored , i thought get another one .

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on November 04, 2017, 04:57:12 PM
His position is untenable. Please can we put an end to the worst 3 years of my Albion-supporting life?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 04, 2017, 04:57:31 PM
Go and take the other useless bore with you !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on November 04, 2017, 04:59:11 PM
Hope we can sack him now - but whoever come in will losing against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on November 04, 2017, 04:59:26 PM
please just sack him now! Never felt so against something in my whole life than for him to continue as manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on November 04, 2017, 05:00:36 PM
That was very poor, Pulis seems strangely out of his depth and has no plan b. New ideas and a new voice needed to bind these players. Pulis Out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 04, 2017, 05:01:00 PM
Reminding me of the Gould era just in a different division  :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 04, 2017, 05:02:26 PM
Has he gone yet? Pulis is now a busted flush, while he got results it negated the style but when he doesn't like now he's gotta go
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 05:02:42 PM
Got to go.

Either publicly flogged or head paraded around on a stick, bare minimum.

LOATHE THIS RUBBISH.

Come on Mr Lai.........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on November 04, 2017, 05:03:38 PM
Definitely got to go now! Just him being sacked will be a huge relief amongst us all! Could hire Irvine as manager and he would get a better reception ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 04, 2017, 05:03:59 PM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Time for change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2017, 05:04:45 PM
hopefully I will be renewing on Monday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 04, 2017, 05:05:35 PM
can't score against a 9 man team. How much more?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: baggie96 on November 04, 2017, 05:03:38 PM
Definitely got to go now! Just him being sacked will be a huge relief amongst us all! Could hire Irvine as manager and he would get a better reception ;D

I'd rather have Irvine.
Jesus forgive me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 04, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
Jacko, Legend, WoysWonderful...how can you defend that?

Awful.

Pulis OUT
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Canmore Baggie on November 04, 2017, 05:07:29 PM
I've been slightly reluctant to shout for TP to go due to my fear about who is out there to replace him.

It clearly doesn't matter any more - he has lost the team, he has no plan B, and we are in real trouble after the easiest start of anyone in the league.

Sure we might get tanked against the top 6 more often under another manager, but there is no way this group of players should be well beaten by Brighton, Soton and 10-man huddersfield
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 04, 2017, 05:09:01 PM
I wonder if our board have the balls to sack him. They seem happy to drift along towards what seems certain relegation. We are rudderless at the moment, with a manager that repeats the same mistakes week after week after week. TP is relying on luck to get a win, because his selections wont get one. He has totally and utterly run out of ideas. He's frozen like a rabbit in a cars headlights.

I dont know what more he needs to do before someone takes action. We are an embarrassment of a club right now.

If he even tries to defend the team selection and performance today he is in cloud cuckoo land.

GET OUT OF OUR CLUB THAT YOU ARE SYSTEMATICALLY TEARING APART
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mig on November 04, 2017, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 04, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
Jacko, Legend, WoysWonderful...how can you defend that?

Awful.

Pulis OUT

I'm really interested to hear if anyone is still able to defend him. I can't think of one positive thing to say about him anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 04, 2017, 05:12:52 PM
Watched a stream from a studio called TSN and both presenters just like all the others in the media said Pulis shouldn't be sacked as he guarantees Premiership survival. These people spout so much nonsense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 04, 2017, 05:13:25 PM
Quote from: mig on November 04, 2017, 05:11:35 PM
I'm really interested to hear if anyone is still able to defend him. I can't think of one positive thing to say about him anymore.
His trainers are white.
He wears his cap the right way round.

I would like to see the back of his cap as he leaves our club permanently with the soles showing on his white trainers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mig on November 04, 2017, 05:14:25 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on November 04, 2017, 05:12:52 PM
Watched a stream from a studio called TSN and both presenters just like all the others in the media said Pulis shouldn't be sacked as he guarantees Premiership survival. These people spout so much nonsense.

Exactly. The earth was flat until it was round.

It is nonsense but I can hear the likes of Merson and co. saying it already

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on November 04, 2017, 05:14:44 PM
Sack him now ! Gives us time to get some one in during International break. Big Sam anyone?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boot2006 on November 04, 2017, 05:15:29 PM
Be careful what you wish for...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on November 04, 2017, 05:16:02 PM
I'd love to hear from the Pulis defenders after that. What more can you defend?
I never thought I'd say this but I'd rather have Alan Irvine than this tosser.
Literally anyone at this point. I'd literally take anyone else at this point. I couldn't care if we risk being relegated this is just like dying from a thousand papercuts.
Surely he has to go tonight? Surely? Someone give me hope......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on November 04, 2017, 05:17:21 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on November 04, 2017, 05:14:44 PM
Sack him now ! Gives us time to get some one in during International break. Big Sam anyone?

Just as Worst
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on November 04, 2017, 05:17:49 PM
Quote from: Aztech on November 04, 2017, 05:03:59 PM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Time for change.

Exactly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: petethebaggie on November 04, 2017, 05:19:21 PM
Has he done his press conference yet I cannot find anything?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on November 04, 2017, 05:19:32 PM
Quote from: boot2006 on November 04, 2017, 05:15:29 PM
Be careful what you wish for...

Do we wish for a coward of a coach just looking to survive!. I've been a supporter since 1977 and i've seen us when we were really pooh.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 05:19:46 PM
Quote from: boot2006 on November 04, 2017, 05:15:29 PM
Be careful what you wish for...

You are surely kidding.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2017, 05:20:47 PM
you lot that say who is out there you make me laugh, if La billions is serious then there is a whole world full of head coaches who want to play some football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on November 04, 2017, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 04, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
Jacko, Legend, WoysWonderful...how can you defend that?

Awful.

Pulis OUT
give it time mate....if anybody can possible defend him , they can. The moment they stop defending him , the games up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 04, 2017, 05:21:35 PM
The one thing I cannot abide is my team making no real attempt to win a game. Any game. No matter the opposition. Whats the point of the team turning up each week. We may as well not play and give the opposition a 3-0 win (Ala Sunday League Football).

I can forgive losing if my team gives it a go. This team is bereft of any attacking intent, and that's not the players fault - totally and utterly unacceptable. It indefensible.

I am so angry tonight, and the clubs lack of action is maddening. The boards silence is deafening.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 04, 2017, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2017, 05:20:47 PM
you lot that say who is out there you make me laugh, if Lai is serious then there is a whole world full of head coaches who want to play some football
They don't have to be British or even European.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 04, 2017, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: boot2006 on November 04, 2017, 05:15:29 PM
Be careful what you wish for...

Yeah because we actually go  down while trying with somebody else. instead of slipping into obscurity with Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 04, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
Jacko, Legend, WoysWonderful...how can you defend that?

Awful.

Pulis OUT


Hard to defend today. Made a hash of the subs against the ten men. Needed the footballers Brunt and Chadli and he gambled on pace McClean and Phillips.


That said beaten by another world class strike and Foster had nothing else to do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boot2006 on November 04, 2017, 05:25:12 PM
Football at the moment isn't pretty but I think he'll get it right in terms of results shortly. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 04, 2017, 05:27:04 PM
Even the games we have won a lot of them we have had loads of luck and have spoilt the game time wasted And played for set pieces. No wins in 10. 2 in 20 inexcusable. Sack him.

There's always somebody out there, I don't buy that there isn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on November 04, 2017, 05:28:25 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 05:24:28 PM

Hard to defend today. Made a hash of the subs against the ten men. Needed the footballers Brunt and Chadli and he gambled on pace McClean and Phillips.


That said beaten by another world class strike and Foster had nothing else to do.

The odds of a world class strike are vastly improved by sitting back. It's not a coincidence, if a team attempts 10 worldies per game, chances are one will go in.

Best form of defence, can't score without the ball spring to mind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 04, 2017, 05:28:42 PM
Williams just hasn't a clue where to look.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on November 04, 2017, 05:29:04 PM
Quote from: gerry m on November 04, 2017, 05:19:32 PM
Do we wish for a coward of a coach just looking to survive!. I've been a supporter since 1977 and i've seen us when we were really rubbish.
So have I and things are getting as bad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 05:34:01 PM
WORST.
MANAGER.
WE.
HAVE.
EVER.
HAD.

And that is going some.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 04, 2017, 05:34:28 PM
I wonder if Williams will have the guts to get rid now with the next 2 games coming up almost guaranteeing that we will slip into the bottom 3 or will they wait for the next batch of games before deciding. The form since March should be ample evidence that he has to go.

I still wonder whether there is an element of Pulis trying to engineer a dismissal.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 04, 2017, 05:37:40 PM
Gareth Barry as caretaker player manager with immediate effect
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2017, 05:38:46 PM
Maybe we should hang on to him to blemish his record, cant be arsed with the greed league anyway
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 04, 2017, 05:38:54 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 05:34:01 PM
WORST.
MANAGER.
WE.
HAVE.
EVER.
HAD.

And that is going some.
No he is not. But agree he has to go now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on November 04, 2017, 05:39:04 PM
Right man for the job when appointed & did what we all hoped he would do, but he should have been replaced at the end of last season before he stifled all ambition from our squad & fans.
Brendan Rodgers would be my 1st choice has TP replacement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on November 04, 2017, 05:38:54 PM
No he is not. But agree he has to go now.

No (through gritted teeth) you're right gloster. I'm just bloody seething.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on November 04, 2017, 05:42:06 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on November 04, 2017, 05:28:42 PM
Williams just hasn't a clue where to look.
.   Is he a close friend of yours ? Being you know what he's thinking .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 04, 2017, 05:42:49 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 05:34:01 PM
WORST.
MANAGER.
WE.
HAVE.
EVER.
HAD.

And that is going some.

No that would by Bobby Gould in Division 3 but football wise it’s definitely on a par
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on November 04, 2017, 05:45:25 PM
Clear to see he's lost the players, they are completely devoid of any confidence and he's the one to blame. The results aren't going our way and yet he sets the team up the same way should be enough for the board to see he's not taking us forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 04, 2017, 05:52:45 PM
When Huddersfield went down to 10 I thought "Pulis you jammy bugger you are going to wriggle out of this" However as it turned out it has made things a lot worse. Losing against 11 was poor losing against 10 was beyond poor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 05:55:03 PM
Quote from: Standaman on November 04, 2017, 05:52:45 PM
When Huddersfield went down to 10 I thought "Pulis you jammy bugger you are going to wriggle out of this" However as it turned out it has made things a lot worse. Losing against 11 was poor losing against 10 was beyond poor.

That would be hilarious if it wasn't bloody tragic.

If this LOSER is gone by Monday I will genuinely be having a party.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mig on November 04, 2017, 05:57:32 PM
If Pulis is sacked then we should really look abroad. Nobody here stands out, and teams like Southampton have done pretty well over a long period by avoiding this dearth of talent and instead looking overseas.

There are plenty of great options we may never have heard of.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 04, 2017, 05:59:18 PM
His voice sounded different in the interview, was breaking up a bit. Sounded under more pressure than usual. See what he knows is if he doesn't go now then his next games are Chelsea and Tottenham. At which point we have a run of "easier" games. The pressure on him is huge now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Canmore Baggie on November 04, 2017, 06:00:51 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on November 04, 2017, 05:12:52 PM
Watched a stream from a studio called TSN and both presenters just like all the others in the media said Pulis shouldn't be sacked as he guarantees Premiership survival. These people spout so much nonsense.

TSN is the sports channel here in Canada that shows the Albion games.

The presenter you are referring to is Kristian Jack - who somehow has a job anchoring football on the channel, I believe because he has a degree in journalism and an English accent. He is a master of stating the obvious and spewing cliches like "Pulis guarantees you premier league football".

He did of course say that in the midst of stating how dreadful we are, fulfilling both of his functions: Obvious+Cliche

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SC_Baggie on November 04, 2017, 06:01:28 PM
Quote from: mig on November 04, 2017, 05:57:32 PM
If Pulis is sacked then we should really look abroad. Nobody here stands out, and teams like Southampton have done pretty well over a long period by avoiding this dearth of talent and instead looking overseas.

There are plenty of great options we may never have heard of.

I agree. Surely there are plenty of good managers in Italy, France, Spain etc where we could look. We don't have to stick to the same unemployed English jokers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 06:02:02 PM
Quote from: lewisant on November 04, 2017, 05:59:18 PM
His voice sounded different in the interview, was breaking up a bit. Sounded under more pressure than usual. See what he knows is if he doesn't go now then his next games are Chelsea and Tottenham. At which point we have a run of "easier" games. The pressure on him is huge now.

I never want to hear his voice again. No way should he be in charge of any more games. Give someone a chance to work it all out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on November 04, 2017, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: mig on November 04, 2017, 05:57:32 PM
If Pulis is sacked then we should really look abroad. Nobody here stands out, and teams like Southampton have done pretty well over a long period by avoiding this dearth of talent and instead looking overseas.

There are plenty of great options we may never have heard of.

As have Watford
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 04, 2017, 06:06:15 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 05:40:28 PM
No (through gritted teeth) you're right gloster. I'm just bloody seething.
I know mate. He cannot be allowed to continue. He has shown no tactical nouse. I thought if he got the players in he could do a  Crystal Palace  type of job? But no! Same rubbish every game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on November 04, 2017, 06:07:57 PM
Yep, we have to look abroad for the next appointment. The old-school British breed are dying out, Pulis personifies this, he is out of his depth in modern football and has no clue how to set up against the new breed of managers.

There's dozens of managers around Europe (both employed and unemployed) who would relish managing in the Premier League, with the finances we have at our disposal and the quality of players at the club. We just need to find the best of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SC_Baggie on November 04, 2017, 06:08:14 PM
Quote from: Mikkyk on November 04, 2017, 06:02:17 PM
As have Watford

and Wolves this year!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 06:10:07 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on November 04, 2017, 06:06:15 PM
I know mate. He cannot be allowed to continue. He has shown no tactical nouse. I thought if he got the players in he could do a  Crystal Palace  type of job? But no! Same rubbish every game.

Was my hope. I was actually excited at first.
Now it feels like I married an axe murderer!
 :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 04, 2017, 06:15:36 PM
Sorry but TP & GM have to go now.
I would like a younger progressive coach who can take us forward and teach thus squad how to pass to each other and go forward isn't that what football is all about,scoring goals remember that.
Trouble is I don't know who,Coleman?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 04, 2017, 06:15:45 PM
Need to act before West Ham and stoke get rid of there managers... we will already be competing with Everton
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 06:16:06 PM
It's possible to defend the style, if the results are positive.

With the results we're getting, it's impossible to defend either

On the other hand, as others have said, our results have been pretty poor since Megson arrived.

As an attacking player, Gerry Francis was a good foil for Pulis, I tend to think that Megson & Pulis are too similar
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on November 04, 2017, 06:24:58 PM
Guys this thread has been going on long enough now for everyone to know we don't talk about other managers while Pulis is still in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2017, 06:27:06 PM
Quote from: mig on November 04, 2017, 06:22:21 PM
Not sure if you're saying that in jest, but I was one of the few who wanted Mel to stay on so I actually agree.

Alternatively...we could bring back Mowbray  ;D



same here me too, wheres legend, not saying hes hiding just a tad quite
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 04, 2017, 06:28:39 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2017, 06:27:06 PM


same here me too, wheres legend, not saying hes hiding just a tad quite

He’s still on the team bus sat next to Megson
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 06:34:51 PM
I too liked Pepe but he wouldn't be the answer now.
Anyway we can't talk about other managers while Tony is in charge, so apologies.

Easy mistake to make though he doesn't seem to be in charge of ANYTHING....  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on November 04, 2017, 06:41:49 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 04, 2017, 06:24:58 PM
Guys this thread has been going on long enough now for everyone to know we don't talk about other managers while Pulis is still in charge.

I just hope the board don't have the same policy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 06:43:37 PM
Quote from: bry on November 04, 2017, 06:41:49 PM
I just hope the board don't have the same policy.

It's the hope that kills you Bry
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 04, 2017, 06:45:00 PM
There is no hope, sadly. Unless we are cut adrift at the bottom of the league this man will still be our manager. Never felt so out of touch with my club as I do currently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on November 04, 2017, 06:46:30 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 06:43:37 PM
It's the hope that kills you Bry
Whether they sack him now or later they need to be planning for a replacement. They should be looking at who is available now or who maybe soon and if they feel that man is better then sack him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on November 04, 2017, 06:47:22 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 04, 2017, 06:24:58 PM
Guys this thread has been going on long enough now for everyone to know we don't talk about other managers while Pulis is still in charge.


Why is that? As much as I want Pulis out I don't want him sacked unless we have a viable replacement that is available and the options aren't great at the moment. Surely it's valid for the fans to discuss potential manager options in that context.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on November 04, 2017, 06:47:50 PM
I just have a nagging feeling the board will dither. They don't strike me as dynamic types , I feel they were bullied into signing players we didn't actually need in the transfer window too . How can you allow a coach to enter the season with this forward line .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on November 04, 2017, 06:48:56 PM
The longer he is in charge the more likely we will go down in  my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on November 04, 2017, 06:49:32 PM
Quote from: bry on November 04, 2017, 06:41:49 PM
I just hope the board don't have the same policy.

Me too.  He would have been told thanks but no thanks at the end of the season he first kept us up.

We are heading down and he's utterly ruining what's been built before he arrived.  Time is up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on November 04, 2017, 06:50:51 PM
Quote from: Mo on November 04, 2017, 06:47:50 PM
I just have a nagging feeling the board will dither. They don't strike me as dynamic types , I feel they were bullied into signing players we didn't actually need in the transfer window too . How can you allow a coach to enter the season with this forward line .
What forward line?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SC_Baggie on November 04, 2017, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 04, 2017, 06:24:58 PM
Guys this thread has been going on long enough now for everyone to know we don't talk about other managers while Pulis is still in charge.


why
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on November 04, 2017, 06:57:09 PM
Tried to support him historically and see the positives but the tide completely turned for me after southampton away. My greatest complaint is he acts bullish and brash yet is a coward in terms of tactics. Playing for draws against the top 6 isn't a bad tactic to go to teams in and around us and set up for a 0-0 is cowardly. He said today he has taken us forward as a club. Ironically we are exactly where we were when he took over. The players are better now than when he took over and the team are worse...
The biggest problem he has is when he came in he could organize a defence and guarantee a clean sheet. We can't even do that now.
Honestly though not sure if i have any confidence in our board to pick someone of quality next. Our last managers: Pulis, Irvine, Mel :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on November 04, 2017, 07:00:16 PM
We have played 54 games under Pulis and only managed to score more than one goal in 9 matches  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on November 04, 2017, 07:03:11 PM
Do any of our fans actually WANT him to stay?  Not think he will stay actually WANT him to stay?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 04, 2017, 07:04:10 PM
Its pretty annoying we are still somehow 15th.

I think this could be the stumbling block that makes the board bottle pulling the trigger tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on November 04, 2017, 07:05:05 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 04, 2017, 07:03:11 PM
Do any of our fans actually WANT him to stay?  Not think he will stay actually WANT him to stay?
No I don't want him to stay. After supporting him for so long I just cant anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on November 04, 2017, 07:11:30 PM
Our squad is actually ok, there's a very decent first choice 11 there, just the fact we persist with 3 defensive midfielders and have little intent of ever scoring is dragging us down - many managers should be fine with this bunch.

It's not a case of like when Irvine left when we had a legitimately bad squad, Pulis made perfect sense then now. At this point he's past his use and will take us down if we keep him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on November 04, 2017, 07:16:40 PM
We have an owner who is only interested in a financial return and an out of date chairman who helped to contribute to the demise of Blackburn
The club is up pooh creek without a paddle
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 04, 2017, 07:18:01 PM
In the summer, anti-Pulis fans were battered for looking at what the 3 prompted clubs, Bournemouth & Burnley we’re doing.

Now we sit below all of them (other than Bournemouth who despite their ‘awful’ start sit on the same points as us).

Enough is enough.

This club needs its pride back, urgently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 07:19:03 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 04, 2017, 07:03:11 PM
Do any of our fans actually WANT him to stay?  Not think he will stay actually WANT him to stay?


Yes I'm happy for him to continue. I don't trust the club to employ a more progressive replacement. We'll end up with Pulis-lite and get relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 07:20:07 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on November 04, 2017, 06:57:09 PM

Honestly though not sure if i have any confidence in our board to pick someone of quality next. Our last managers: Pulis, Irvine, Mel :)

This board haven't appointed any Managers, or Head Coaches.

Think Standaman pointed out recently, that John Williams has a pretty good record of appointing Managers, 3 out of 4 of his appointments at Blackburn went on to better things.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: garry on November 04, 2017, 07:20:31 PM
I've been a big Pulis supporter in the past, but I thinks it's now time to say goodbye.
We put up with boring football when the results came our way, but that is no longer so: we can't keep a clean sheet and we can't score; we never set up for a win, no matter who we play.
We have the best squad, arguably, since the early 80's - we should be playing more attractive football than this - AND winning games.
We've given him a fair crack of the whip, but now it's time for a change.
I suppose this will be Megson as caretaker  ::) - let's hope not permanently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 04, 2017, 07:20:52 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 07:19:03 PM

Yes I'm happy for him to continue. I don't trust the club to employ a more progressive replacement. We'll end up with Pulis-lite and get relegated.

We will end up relegated with Pulis in charge
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 04, 2017, 07:21:22 PM
we've actually got a better team that doesn't play,
brunt
chadli
Morrison
yacob
burke
phillips
not as if these players have all been out injured.
noticeable that most are forward players or attacking midfielders
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on November 04, 2017, 07:21:31 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 07:19:03 PM

Yes I'm happy for him to continue. I don't trust the club to employ a more progressive replacement. We'll end up with Pulis-lite and get relegated.
So relegated with or without him then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 07:25:07 PM
Quote from: Aztech on November 04, 2017, 07:20:52 PM
We will end up relegated with Pulis in charge


Quote from: bry on November 04, 2017, 07:21:31 PM
So relegated with or without him then?


And that's where we disagree. He'll scrape 40 points. It just won't be pretty. Midseason it's better the devil you know for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Westie on November 04, 2017, 07:26:41 PM
I wish we could rid ourselves of the chinaman. Yes, it is also time for Mr Pulis to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 04, 2017, 07:27:38 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 07:25:07 PM


And that's where we disagree. He'll scrape 40 points. It just won't be pretty. Midseason it's better the devil you know for me.

We have won 2 in 20 premier league games, I cannot see how we can achieve 40 points with Pulis in charge
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 04, 2017, 07:28:59 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 07:19:03 PM

Yes I'm happy for him to continue. I don't trust the club to employ a more progressive replacement. We'll end up with Pulis-lite and get relegated.
well they didn't get it right last time regarding progressive replacement. we haven't in truth gone forward. I think we may get relegated whether he stays or goes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 04, 2017, 07:29:13 PM
Quote from: Westie on November 04, 2017, 07:26:41 PM
I wish we could rid ourselves of the chinaman. Yes, it is also time for Mr Pulis to go.

The Chinese have been good so far - spent a lot in the summer and haven't been too interfering...also made a good appointment with Williams. Seems a bizarre request.

Pulis has to go now though. I respect what he did for us when he came in, and I felt overall he had a good season last year - but it's clear that something has gone horribly wrong. I could always deal with the ugly football but now it's the lack of results as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 04, 2017, 07:30:49 PM
What concerns me the most is he bangs on about having a system in place that will work with the players he has but injuries don’t allow it. He was only missing Morrison today, so in a real world the other 10 positions are fine and you slot someone in for Morrison. If that’s his master plan then we best prepare for the championship.

Keeping him in charge doesn’t make any sense with our next 2 games almost certainly seeing a return of 0 points. Let a new manager come in and try stamp his style on those games and have a good crack in December.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 04, 2017, 07:33:45 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 04, 2017, 07:03:11 PM
Do any of our fans actually WANT him to stay?  Not think he will stay actually WANT him to stay?

No I'm hacked off. with him, people like Paul Merson saying "be careful what you wish for" why should I be grateful we exsist in the premier league? It doesn't put money in my pocket. I want the club to show ambition we have stagnated he must go
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 07:37:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 07:25:07 PM


And that's where we disagree. He'll scrape 40 points. It just won't be pretty. Midseason it's better the devil you know for me.

Personally Jacko, I don't think the Pulis/Megson axis is working.

Results wise, Pulis has a decent record in the Prem, Megson just hasn't.

If there are to be any culls, I think it will be Megson,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on November 04, 2017, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 07:20:07 PM
This board haven't appointed any Managers, or Head Coaches.

Think Standaman pointed out recently, that John Williams has a pretty good record of appointing Managers, 3 out of 4 of his appointments at Blackburn went on to better things.

They gave Pulis an extension on his contract :)

His appointments were Souness, Allardyce, Paul Ince and Mark Hughes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 04, 2017, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 07:37:03 PM
Personally Jacko, I don't think the Pulis/Megson axis is working.

Results wise, Pulis has a decent record in the Prem, Megson just hasn't.

If there are to be any culls, I think it will be Megson,
getting rid of the monkey and keeping the organ grinder will alter nothing. both need replacing for me. Pulis is the head coach so its his responsibility.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: SirTonyM on November 04, 2017, 07:37:08 PM
They gave Pulis an extension on his contract :)

His appointments were Souness, Allardyce, Paul Ince and Mark Hughes.


Paul Ince was the only untried appointment and failed badly. So you can rule out an up and comer. Williams is certain to go for an Allardyce which isn't the sea change I need to happen to think it's worth the risk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on November 04, 2017, 07:48:00 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 07:47:18 PM

Paul Ince was the only untried appointment and failed badly. So you can rule out an up and comer. Williams is certain to go for an Allardyce which isn't the sea change I need to happen to think it's worth the risk.

Allardyce isn't exciting but he's more exciting than Pulis and generally does better with clubs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on November 04, 2017, 07:49:04 PM
We will see what Williams and Lai are made of. If they’re really committed to pushing us on as a club and not just existing , then Pulis is not the right fit for sure. He has lost most of the fans and this is unsustainable for the rest of the season. We have been in a prolonged period of relegation form and as we know well, the fans need to be behind the team to survive a relegation battle. Hence I think we are in real trouble.  We have a lot to thank him for and he achieved his purpose but we now need a manager who can develop the squad into an attacking force and get the fans re-engaged , particularly at home and against lesser opposition. If we keep Pulis for the remainder of the season , it could be a slow , monotonous, tedious death .....! Life is too short !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 04, 2017, 07:55:33 PM
Tonights  poll run by Bham Mail                                                                                Are you behind the manager?

Yes11%

No89%
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 04, 2017, 08:02:47 PM
I'm honestly at the point of "What the @£&! is the point in West Bromwich Albion??"  We are an irrelevance and an embarrassment.   Whether we are playing a top 6 side, a side high or low on confidence, whether we are playing home or away or even playing a lower league team in the cup there is only one game plan; shut up shop for 80 minutes during which time one of two things will happen:

1.  We get a goal from a corner or free kick.  Bring on McLean and Yacob to shore things up and have Foster try to waste a quarter of an hour.
2.  We go a goal down after relentless pressure.  Bring on McLean and HRK to hopefully get a goal.

I still love match day but it's about mates, beers and a curry.  To be honest, we'd probably have as nice a day of we all decided to go to the zoo or shops at 3pm instead.   Knowing that we KNOW what's going to happen for the next 90 mins with the only possible source of wonder being whether McLean can get himself sent off in 10 remaining minutes makes it all dreadfully pointless.

I no longer fear losing.  I don't even fear a relegation fight or relegation itself.   I had plenty of fun in lower leagues watching exciting games.   To me there are only two reasons to be in the Premier League:

1.  To pit ourselves against the big boys.  We don't, we just cower and cover up.
2.  To watch great footballers play for Albion.  We don't.  We have great footballers but they aren't allowed to play.

I'm not a troll, or a dingle or trying to wind anyone up.   I just hope that we can have a quick death now from Pulis and if that means we have to get thumped a few times before Xmas, I would reluctantly (and for the first time in my life) welcome that...

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 08:04:09 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 04, 2017, 07:45:29 PM
getting rid of the monkey and keeping the organ grinder will alter nothing. both need replacing for me. Pulis is the head coach so its his responsibility.

Really depends on criteria.

Fan's criteria is an improvement on style & results.

Board criteria is likely to be primarily results driven, which were better when Gerry Francis (an attacking player) was part of the senior coaching team.
In my opinion the results would be better with a attacking coach as a foil for Pulis.

I agree with posters who say that replacing Pulis (& his team) mid season would be a huge risk, & I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see an "adjustment" to the coaching team, as opposed to an out & out sacking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 08:07:24 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 08:04:09 PM
Really depends on criteria.

Fan's criteria is an improvement on style & results.

Board criteria is likely to be primarily results driven, which were better when Gerry Francis (an attacking player) was part of the senior coaching team.
In my opinion the results would be better with a attacking coach as a foil for Pulis.

I agree with posters who say that replacing Pulis (& his team) mid season would be a huge risk, & I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see an "adjustment" to the coaching team, as opposed to an out & out sacking.


Francis is still at the club. Megson replaced Kemp.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 04, 2017, 08:08:51 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 08:04:09 PM
Really depends on criteria.

Fan's criteria is an improvement on style & results.

Board criteria is likely to be primarily results driven, which were better when Gerry Francis (an attacking player) was part of the senior coaching team.
In my opinion the results would be better with a attacking coach as a foil for Pulis.

I agree with posters who say that replacing Pulis (& his team) mid season would be a huge risk, & I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see an "adjustment" to the coaching team, as opposed to an out & out sacking.
I get the logic, but knowing pulis to be quite stubborn, if the board bring in someone there can only be one reaction?
I have always said, I don't like his football but respect hie results....that's not there now.
He spent money, he cannot keep clean sheets, he cannot attack, he's done for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 04, 2017, 08:09:34 PM
I just get the feeling he's not going anywhere  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 08:07:24 PM

Francis is still at the club. Megson replaced Kemp.

My mistake :

Dave Kemp was an attacking player though so the same argument applies
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 08:16:04 PM
Gerrard McManaman and Lampard on BT Sport: Be careful what you wish for. Haha.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on November 04, 2017, 08:08:51 PM
I get the logic, but knowing pulis to be quite stubborn, if the board bring in someone there can only be one reaction?
I have always said, I don't like his football but respect hie results....that's not there now.
He spent money, he cannot keep clean sheets, he cannot attack, he's done for me.

It wouldn't be a board decision, it would have to be a Pulis one.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 04, 2017, 08:17:11 PM
Quote from: crazedwbafan18 on November 04, 2017, 08:09:34 PM
I just get the feeling he's not going anywhere  :-X

And me. We're 15th and the board will be satisfied that Mr Never Been Relegated will continue his normal trend.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on November 04, 2017, 08:28:02 PM
He's not going to turn it around though is he?

The man is a coward of a manager.   He signed both Barry, Livermore & Greg when we were crying out for more creativity.  The continual selection of ALL THREE in the starting line up is baffling to everyone when we are against anyone but the top 6.  They offer zero creativity.

I'm going to call it a pragmatic approach but my words could be more harsh.  This pragmatic approach works (and has done) when we are defensively sound and can hit teams on the break with pace and maybe catch a team with a set piece.  We are no longer defensively sound, we start with a team of little or no counter-attacking pace and we omit our best set piece taker in Brunt.

What was (loosely) positive about our team has now gone and Pulis looks totally clueless to find a solution.  He has to go and it has to be done Monday morning.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on November 04, 2017, 08:34:01 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 04, 2017, 08:28:02 PM
He's not going to turn it around though is he?

The man is a coward of a manager.   He signed both Barry, Livermore & Greg when we were crying out for more creativity.  The continual selection of ALL THREE in the starting line up is baffling to everyone when we are against anyone but the top 6.  They offer zero creativity.

I'm going to call it a pragmatic approach but my words could be more harsh.  This pragmatic approach works (and has done) when we are defensively sound and can hit teams on the break with pace and maybe catch a team with a set piece.  We are no longer defensively sound, we start with a team of little or no counter-attacking pace and we omit our best set piece taker in Brunt.

What was (loosely) positive about our team has now gone and Pulis looks totally clueless to find a solution.  He has to go and it has to be done Monday morning.

JP wouldn’t have waited. He’d be gone by now.

Pulis is a waste of space. He’s had the money, he’s had the tools, he’s had the backing.

He makes me sick. Get rid.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on November 04, 2017, 08:34:34 PM
Quote from: stoxman on November 04, 2017, 08:02:47 PM
I'm honestly at the point of "What the @£&! is the point in West Bromwich Albion??"  We are an irrelevance and an embarrassment.   Whether we are playing a top 6 side, a side high or low on confidence, whether we are playing home or away or even playing a lower league team in the cup there is only one game plan; shut up shop for 80 minutes during which time one of two things will happen:

1.  We get a goal from a corner or free kick.  Bring on McLean and Yacob to shore things up and have Foster try to waste a quarter of an hour.
2.  We go a goal down after relentless pressure.  Bring on McLean and HRK to hopefully get a goal.

I still love match day but it's about mates, beers and a curry.  To be honest, we'd probably have as nice a day of we all decided to go to the zoo or shops at 3pm instead.   Knowing that we KNOW what's going to happen for the next 90 mins with the only possible source of wonder being whether McLean can get himself sent off in 10 remaining minutes makes it all dreadfully pointless.

I no longer fear losing.  I don't even fear a relegation fight or relegation itself.   I had plenty of fun in lower leagues watching exciting games.   To me there are only two reasons to be in the Premier League:

1.  To pit ourselves against the big boys.  We don't, we just cower and cover up.
2.  To watch great footballers play for Albion.  We don't.  We have great footballers but they aren't allowed to play.

I'm not a troll, or a dingle or trying to wind anyone up.   I just hope that we can have a quick death now from Pulis and if that means we have to get thumped a few times before Xmas, I would reluctantly (and for the first time in my life) welcome that...

I think 3pm is a bit late for the Zoo, it closes at 4pm in the winter months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 04, 2017, 08:36:48 PM
I blame most of this mess at Pulis and will probably get shouted down for this, many posters think we have much better players than we actually have. I think we have an average squad of players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggy nerd on November 04, 2017, 08:36:54 PM
The style of play has definitely regressed this season and you have to wonder if that is down to Megson - pairing him with Pulis is probably just too negative.

I also look back to Fletcher leaving in the summer and wonder if that has any bearing on what is happening now. He seemed very settled then suddenly left for Stoke, not sure what actually happened. Maybe we are missing his captaincy on and off the field more than we thought we would.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on November 04, 2017, 08:39:20 PM
He’s failed.  Most seem to see he’s poison to the club.

Get rid.

Pulis out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 04, 2017, 08:45:55 PM
I have TP’s number; couldn’t resist, have text him twice tonight.

We have lost our soul, our identity. Please let’s do the right thing and end this.

Even if we still went down, I would rather do that by trying rather than the dinosaur tactics he keeps putting out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie_liam on November 04, 2017, 08:51:12 PM
Post the screen shots of the messages, to and response (if any)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RICH ONE on November 04, 2017, 09:04:50 PM
Just don't see how he can survive after another  defeat and limp performance .

He has lost the fans and it looks like most of the players as well.

It would take a very stubborn chairman to keep him in the job any longer .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 04, 2017, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: graka on November 04, 2017, 07:16:40 PM
We have an owner who is only interested in a financial return and an out of date chairman who helped to contribute to the demise of Blackburn
The club is up rubbish creek without a paddle

I thought Williams left before Venkys took over. I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 04, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
Just GO !!!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albertbaggie on November 04, 2017, 09:40:06 PM
Quote from: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 04, 2017, 09:12:09 PM
I thought Williams left before Venkys took over. I may be wrong.
He did.  Quit after the Venky decided to sack Allardyce
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on November 04, 2017, 09:47:44 PM
Watched the game today and I know they're professional but looking at some of the players J Evans , M Phillips , j Rod and a few more they just didnt look interested . I'm a season ticket holder and I couldn't be bothered to go up against Man city. Pullis just leave !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 09:51:00 PM
Nobody wants you at the Albion now Tony. Not even the players, you can see it in their performances.

Your style of play isn't fit for the Conference league. GO.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2017, 09:52:14 PM
burnley fan on 5live said if they loose their boss they will take him and j rod lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 04, 2017, 09:55:37 PM
In fairness to Williams he tried work with Venkeys but gave up after 12 months so I wouldn't regard him as tainted by that ownership.

This is the crunch point. Sack Pulis now and no doubt there will be the usual suspects in the media condemning an over hasty dismissal. Leave it for few more weeks and few more indifferent performances the atmosphere will grow ever more poisonous and we could be in a deeper hole.

I'd have Pulis out the door by now but I suspect Williams will be a little bit more circumspect I think he will give him the Newcastle and possibly Palace to turn it around. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: keithowba86 on November 04, 2017, 09:59:55 PM
Has legend deleted his account?.... gone awfully quiet lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 10:05:00 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on November 04, 2017, 09:59:55 PM
Has legend deleted his account?.... gone awfully quiet lol

He's working out his next pre-match interview.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 10:05:46 PM
Will we reach page 700 before the turd is successfully flushed?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2017, 10:14:24 PM
http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/273009/west-brazil

taking de pee
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 04, 2017, 10:16:48 PM
This idiot now has a worse record than Irvine over 22 games and we're heading in the same direction as we were under Irvine, lets hope the outcome is the same as Irvine !!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 04, 2017, 10:17:16 PM
I think they gave TP the next 2 games and if/when he loses both the new manager gets an easier slate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2017, 10:19:29 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on November 04, 2017, 10:17:16 PM
I think they gave TP the next 2 games and if/when he loses both the new manager gets an easier slate.


I can see the logic
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 04, 2017, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 04, 2017, 08:36:48 PM
I blame most of this mess at Pulis and will probably get shouted down for this, many posters think we have much better players than we actually have. I think we have an average squad of players.
You are correct mate, and that is why I started the thread asking the question, Did we really improve our squad in the Summer transfer window ? Most people tell me we did, and compared the incoming players with people like Gardner, McManaman, and Jonas, and now some people are calling for Brunt and Morrison in the team.
Fact is we still have very average players, who cannot string two passes together, and we are in trouble.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 04, 2017, 10:22:33 PM
I also said I didn't want him in the first place and wont shed a tear when he goes. The time is right for him to go now. Thanks for keeping us up Tone but the time is right for you to say GOODBYE
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 04, 2017, 10:23:19 PM
Quote from: Greenock Baggie on November 04, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
Just GO !!!!!!
Called it right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on November 04, 2017, 10:23:59 PM
Worst manager of my time being a fan since 93. Even when we were rubbish in the 90's, at least we knew we were rubbish yet it was still far more entertaining then this. We have a squad of players now that I honestly believe if played correctly could give us some good entertaining days.

Hate what he has done to the club, proper sucked the life out of us. Our pride and soul has gone.

Pulis out, get rid of megson aswell. Loved what he did but the premier leagues was and always will be out of his depth.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 04, 2017, 10:24:55 PM
I am ashamed to say that on one hand I wanted us to equalise and get something from the game but at the same didn't want us to because of Pulis.
should never want that as a fan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on November 04, 2017, 10:26:13 PM
I honestly have no opinion and don't care who comes in, nothing is as bad as pulis, as long as megson goes with him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 04, 2017, 10:33:21 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2017, 10:14:24 PM
http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/273009/west-brazil

taking de pee

I think they should concentrate on their own team, not that much of an improvement since Pulis left them and they signed a bit of a dud from us, how many games without a goal is it ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 10:36:03 PM
Big Sam's on MOTD right now. I mean nothing by that comment whatsoever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 04, 2017, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on November 04, 2017, 10:21:12 PM
You are correct mate, and that is why I started the thread asking the question, Did we really improve our squad in the Summer transfer window ? Most people tell me we did, and compared the incoming players with people like Gardner, McManaman, and Jonas, and now some people are calling for Brunt and Morrison in the team.
Fact is we still have very average players, who cannot string two passes together, and we are in trouble.
the only improvement is Gibbs at LB, the rest haven't as of yet improved us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 04, 2017, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 04, 2017, 10:37:30 PM
the only improvement is Gibbs at LB, the rest haven't as of yet improved us.
Hardly any wonder when you consider that they either arent playing in thier normal positions or being asked to play in a way thats totally alien to them. You dont go from a champions league midfielder to a bloke who cant pass wind over night without something being wrong !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on November 04, 2017, 10:45:00 PM
I think Bilic at West Ham will be going soon I want Pulis gone now but really don’t fancy our chances competing with West Ham for a decent manager. But I’m firmly in the get rid camp, after supporting the club all my life I really have lost all my interest in the club and yes like most I have supported them through the worst periods in the past 40 years but I can’t put my finger on it but this feels worse, terrible football, false dawn with new owners, maybe it’s just I’m starting to find him arrogant, hate feeling like this about my club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: swad35 on November 04, 2017, 10:45:00 PM
I think Bilic at West Ham will be going soon I want Pulis gone now but really don’t fancy our chances competing with West Ham for a decent manager. But I’m firmly in the get rid camp, after supporting the club all my life I really have lost all my interest in the club and yes like most I have supported them through the worst periods in the past 40 years but I can’t put my finger on it but this feels worse, terrible football, false dawn with new owners, maybe it’s just I’m starting to find him arrogant, hate feeling like this about my club.

A perfect and far more calm assessment of how I feel about our club. Well said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on November 04, 2017, 11:08:55 PM
I see we’ve made last spot on Match of the Day for the umpteenth time, largely due to TP’s negative tactics
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 11:13:49 PM
Quote from: royhan on November 04, 2017, 11:08:55 PM
I see we’ve made last spot on Match of the Day for the umpteenth time, largely due to TP’s negative tactics


Another myth...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 04, 2017, 11:20:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 11:13:49 PM

Another myth...

Agreed, we've been on last since we first went up!!  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 04, 2017, 11:39:36 PM
Since we have no idea how much the board like TP, I will wager West Brom will do some background work on which managers will be interested to come here so they have an idea of the alternatives if they need to sack.

Ideally Tony can make it through the year so they can have a bigger pool of candidates to choose from. The unemployed managers I see now are quite uninspiring.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 11:53:42 PM
Add Allardyce and Murphy to the be careful what you wish for group. Our fan base is the laughing stock. Not the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 04, 2017, 11:55:57 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 11:53:42 PM
Add Allardyce and Murphy to the be careful what you wish for group. Our fan base is the laughing stock. Not the club.

obviously been listening to legend too long, he's rubbing off on you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 11:58:05 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on November 04, 2017, 11:55:57 PM
obviously been listening to legend too long, he's rubbing off on you.


My point is a lot on here are saying we're a laughing stock (the club) but in the eyes of ALL the pundits and a lot of opposition fans it is our fans chanting Pulis Out at games that are the real embarrassment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 05, 2017, 12:01:41 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 11:58:05 PM

My point is a lot on here are saying we're a laughing stock (the club) but in the eyes of ALL the pundits and a lot of opposition fans it is our fans chanting Pulis Out at games that are the real embarrassment.

opposition fans always say they could never watch us, pundits are not interested and think we are boring and id say about 80% of our own fans have had enough...

If that don't tell you something then there is clearly no getting through to you what the problem is
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 12:08:33 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on November 05, 2017, 12:01:41 AM
opposition fans always say they could never watch us, pundits are not interested and think we are boring and id say about 80% of our own fans have had enough...

If that don't tell you something then there is clearly no getting through to you what the problem is


Yet 6th place Burnley fan on 606 would snap our hand off for Pulis if Dyche left. We're in a little bubble of self importance that is simply not mirrored by the rest of football or indeed by our chairman and board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 05, 2017, 12:12:30 AM
Allardyce is from the same self serving lumpen school of British coaching as Pulis and I hope that his comments mean he hasn't got the brass neck to take the job should Pulis be sacked. Although given his track record I wouldn't count on it.

For those poor saps who want Pulis at their club I wish them well and they are more than welcome to him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 05, 2017, 12:18:21 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on November 05, 2017, 12:01:41 AM
opposition fans always say they could never watch us, pundits are not interested and think we are boring and id say about 80% of our own fans have had enough...

If that don't tell you something then there is clearly no getting through to you what the problem is

Oppositions fans and pundits don’t sit and watch every wba game and actually see the rubbish results we are churning out. Pulis will always be the saviour to outside fans with the whole relegation safety guaranteed. Wouldn’t call stoke fans and us liars though who have witnessed him the most over the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 05, 2017, 12:19:21 AM
They all seem united in the media and ex-player/manager pundits on MOTD and elsewhere. Big Sam and Murphy both warning us last night that sacking Pulis is not wise nor the answer. But they are not fans who witness week in and week out the absolute dross served up on the pitch since March and still ongoing. Who is more qualified to make a judgement? Certainly not them who are more than likely standing up for their fellow professionals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 05, 2017, 12:21:29 AM
Pulis is a controversial character and that is good for the media and hence pundits, if you think anyone other than West Brom fans has more than a passing interest in us you are wrong.
I get that you are clinging onto the last vestiges of hope that he will turn the ship around as that's good for the Albion but sadly it's a forlorn hope.
As for other fans saying that they will have him, that's great but the vast majority would soon change their minds after witnessing pulisball for an extended period


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 05, 2017, 12:26:46 AM
eitj Williams coming out and basically backing Pulis this week, I imagine he has until December 2nd to save his job.

Chelsea and spurs will be written off and anything gained is a bonus.

The next two games are Newcastle and Palace, i imagine Pulis has those two games to save his job.

Only downside is if we continue to play the way we are we could be in big trouble by then. The pressure is on Pulis now so maybe finally he will change his ways for the next 4 games as he now has nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 05, 2017, 12:36:19 AM
Quote from: Mister AT on November 05, 2017, 12:26:46 AM
eitj Williams coming out and basically backing Pulis this week, I imagine he has until December 2nd to save his job.

Chelsea and spurs will be written off and anything gained is a bonus.

The next two games are Newcastle and Palace, i imagine Pulis has those two games to save his job.

Only downside is if we continue to play the way we are we could be in big trouble by then. The pressure is on Pulis now so maybe finally he will change his ways for the next 4 games as he now has nothing to lose.

He will not change though, he believes in his methods and to be honest I seriously doubt that he has the capacity to do anything different
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 05, 2017, 12:45:34 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2017, 11:58:05 PM

My point is a lot on here are saying we're a laughing stock (the club) but in the eyes of ALL the pundits and a lot of opposition fans it is our fans chanting Pulis Out at games that are the real embarrassment.
Who cares?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 05, 2017, 12:52:26 AM
Quote from: Albionic on November 05, 2017, 12:36:19 AM
He will not change though, he believes in his methods and to be honest I seriously doubt that he has the capacity to do anything different

I totally agree. Just think if he was to have been sacked it would have happened tonight. December 2nd I reckon. My biggest concern is today has been a massive turning point with the fans who wanted Pulis to stay.

There can’t be anymore than 10% of wba fans who want him to stay.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 12:53:57 AM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on November 05, 2017, 12:45:34 AM
Who cares?


Apparently lots of Albion fans who label us a laughing stock and embarrassment to the Premier League when it patently isn't true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Canmore Baggie on November 05, 2017, 01:28:59 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2017, 09:52:14 PM
burnley fan on 5live said if they loose their boss they will take him and j rod lol

I was listening to that - got quite excited at the prospect!!
Would actually make sense for Burnley if Dyche leaves and Pulis because it gives him somewhere to jump to.

Wishful thinking on my part perhaps.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on November 05, 2017, 01:34:29 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 12:53:57 AM

Apparently lots of Albion fans who label us a laughing stock and embarrassment to the Premier League when it patently isn't true.


I agree we are not a laughing stock, but I question what value we bring to the league. There was a time that for many of my non baggie mates we were their second team in the league because of the way we played, because of the atmosphere at the ground and the way our club came across in the wider picture. I don’t live in the midlands, most of my mates are non baggies fans and we are not a laughing stock but we are seen as incredibly boring. I don’t particularly care what people think about my club but I am embarrassed about how we approach games now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on November 05, 2017, 02:22:33 AM
Wonder what the odds are of Tony Clueless lasting until Feb 1st? Just after window closes...after all, we're not really contenders to go down and that's still plenty of time to avoid the drop (in the eyes of the board).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 05, 2017, 03:20:10 AM
I couldn't give a **** what some pooh pundits or opposition fans think of us

I want him and that stupid bloody cap gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 05, 2017, 04:39:26 AM
Quote from: DivinePast on November 04, 2017, 10:17:16 PM
I think they gave TP the next 2 games and if/when he loses both the new manager gets an easier slate.

I'd rather give a Caretaker the next two games while we search for a replacement. The replacement can then have the Newcastle game as his first gig.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 05, 2017, 07:04:00 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 12:08:33 AM

Yet 6th place Burnley fan on 606 would snap our hand off for Pulis if Dyche left. We're in a little bubble of self importance that is simply not mirrored by the rest of football or indeed by our chairman and board.

Burnley fan wants pulis, we all must be wrong then.

Get a grip and stop making excuses for him, no one gives a toss what anyone else thinks of pulis ain't you realised yet? It isn't them that pay their money to watch his rubbish every week.

It's very clear he has lost the fans and losing the dressing room, there is no football and no results, he's bringing absolutely nothing to the team.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 07:10:18 AM
Burnley want him as remember the media portray him to be a saint and saviour.

Only when you watch his football for 3 years do you realise how incorrect that is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2017, 07:21:48 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 07:10:18 AM
Burnley want him as remember the media portray him to be a saint and saviour.

Only when you watch his football for 3 years do you realise how incorrect that is.


that's how it is. excited he's kept you up but grinds you down after the second year and after turning you to cricket you have lost your love for football. not the Albion might I add
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on November 05, 2017, 07:28:55 AM
Pulis and Burnley would be a good fit if Dyche leaves. They're still in the newly promoted category so would be thankful for just existing in the premier league so would likely endure the rubbish Pulis serves up as a means to an end. Maybe they'd even pay is compensation!!?

I remember the football world slagging us off many a time over the years for us to surprise them. Yes,it'd be a risk getting rid of Pulis but I'm in the camp that says we only push him if/ when we have a decent replacement lined up, that may be next week, next month, or at the end of the season. He is finished at Albion now the majority of fans have turned against him though that is for sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 05, 2017, 07:49:07 AM
To be honest Dyche and Pulis are pretty similar. Currently Dyche is enjoying a run of 1:0 wins whereas Pulis is suffering a series of 1:0 defeats personally I wouldn't have either. On the back of his current upswing someone (Everton perhaps) might give Dyche a shot at a job where the expectations are somewhat higher than just survival and then we will find out whether Dyche like Pulis is a one trick pony whose only trick wears  thin very quickly.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2017, 07:56:43 AM
I don't care what the pundits say , 99% don't have a clue anyway and just take easy money. Sit them down and make them watch a dvd of each game this season then come back to us and tell us what they think. No doubt if and when Pulis goes they'll all gang up on us which hopefully will reunite us as a support and give the new bloke a firm start. ( Sound like wbaindevon I know  :D).
I like Pulis as a person but he took a gamble changing what we do for some reason , 5 doesn't work as doesn't the lumbersome 3 in the middle. There's also the factor of signing Phillips , Chadli and McClean and ditching them on good money and wages.
I personally don't like the way Yacob and Brunt have been ditched either , times up I think Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 08:40:02 AM
Confidence is a vital component in football and collectively the clubs got none.

Board.  must seriously have doubts about the way things are going

Pulis.   he doesn't have the confidence to send a team out to win a game, that starting line up yesterday was pathetic and had 0-0 at best written all over it. if he's not going to try and win at places like Huddersfield where is he going to do it?

Fans.  it appears that the majority have now had enough, once its reached that point there's no return.

Players.  I felt for them yesterday, when playing against 10 men it put pressure on them and sadly they looked devoid of confidence and ability to anything about it. it was 20 minutes after Huddersfield had a player sent off before the goalkeeper had a save to make. the players looked lost.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on November 05, 2017, 08:50:22 AM
Pulis is useless.  How many times do we have to see a midfield of GK, GB, JL.  It does not work in the same way Gerrard and Lampard failed for England.  Blokes like Guardiola are changing formation during games.  He’s just a stubborn old man.  There must be hundreds of fans sitting in all 4 sides of the Hawthorns that could do better.  To not deploy Chadli in the 58th minute against a relegation rival deserves the sack on its own.  I wouldn’t recommend Pulis to a Sunday morning team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 09:20:14 AM
Quote from: GREGMT on November 05, 2017, 08:50:22 AM
Pulis is useless.  How many times do we have to see a midfield of GK, GB, JL.  It does not work in the same way Gerrard and Lampard failed for England.  Blokes like Guardiola are changing formation during games.  He’s just a stubborn old man.  There must be hundreds of fans sitting in all 4 sides of the Hawthorns that could do better.  To not deploy Chadli in the 58th minute against a relegation rival deserves the sack on its own.  I wouldn’t recommend Pulis to a Sunday morning team.

He rated Chadli at £28m when Swansea came calling, yet doesn’t play him.

I detest Pulis, and have done since day one. Happy now that all albion fans can see what a few have since the start; this guy ruins football and ruins enjoyment.

Bring back the happier days, I also repeat that I couldn’t careless which league we played in as long as we try to win games.

Stagnating & treading water in the Premier League is no more enjoyable than yo-yoing between the leagues.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: pauly414 on November 05, 2017, 09:20:52 AM
He's still in a job, unbelievable Geoff. I think the next home game will be it for Clueless as, when we're losing, the atmosphere is going to turn toxic now. The tides have turned and the majority want him gone now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on November 05, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
I'm convinced the modern game has moved on from the likes of Pulis & Allardyce, the more forward thinking managers know tactically know how to beat his system and he hasn't got a clue what to do about it, clearly a midfield 3 of Barry, Greg & Livermore isn't working yet he still shoehorns all 3 into the team and even comes out last week and says they aren't the problem.

Coming out with comments like the performances have been there we just need things to go our way is a load of tosh as well, the performances at the moment are the most inept display of football Iv ever watched. The guy hasn't got a clue how to turn this round and needs sacking before we sink any further.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on November 05, 2017, 09:28:20 AM
Pundits do the whole "be careful what you wish for" stuff with every manager, we had similar criticisms for all our mid-season sackings. Virtually every club who sacks their manager gets similar.

If this was just this season you could argue give him more time, but this is form that's continued from last season. 12 points from 20 games now. 2 wins in 20 games. 13 goals scored in 20 games. 27 goals conceded in 20 games. Averaged over a season that would give us 23 points, 25 goals scored, 51 goals conceded, goal difference -26.

In other words we've had over half a season of form now that would see us comfortably relegated. I wonder how many of the pundits giving the whole be careful what you wish for stuff are aware of these stats.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 05, 2017, 09:33:07 AM
Quote from: pauly414 on November 05, 2017, 09:20:52 AM
He's still in a job, unbelievable Geoff. I think the next home game will be it for Clueless as, when we're losing, the atmosphere is going to turn toxic now. The tides have turned and the majority want him gone now.

I don't think so. If he doesn't go now then he'll be given until the Newcastle and Palace games to turn it around, which is pretty much came out in the press last week anyway. I was done with Pulis ages ago but if he doesn't go after picking that team, the performance that followed, and the fact we mustered what - 3 shots v 10 men then he's not going to go after games vs Chelsea and Spurs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 05, 2017, 09:39:00 AM
One thing bugging me - he's bemoaned the lack of wingers and now we have choice he's playing 5 across the back and therefore we have no wingers starting. We've got Brunt, Phillips, McClean, Burke, Rodriguez and Chadli who can all play on the wing. They'd also all do a bit to improve what we're seeing at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 05, 2017, 09:44:34 AM
Quote from: Dan on November 05, 2017, 09:28:20 AM
Pundits do the whole "be careful what you wish for" stuff with every manager, we had similar criticisms for all our mid-season sackings. Virtually every club who sacks their manager gets similar.

If this was just this season you could argue give him more time, but this is form that's continued from last season. 12 points from 20 games now. 2 wins in 20 games. 13 goals scored in 20 games. 27 goals conceded in 20 games. Averaged over a season that would give us 23 points, 25 goals scored, 51 goals conceded, goal difference -26.

In other words we've had over half a season of form now that would see us comfortably relegated. I wonder how many of the pundits giving the whole be careful what you wish for stuff are aware of these stats.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Time for a change now.

Unfortunately I believe Pulis will still be here after Christmas and ultimately we will be relegated, he however will resign a couple of months before the season end such that the so called pundits can continue to say he’s never been relegated.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 09:46:37 AM
Quote from: lewisant on November 05, 2017, 09:39:00 AM
One thing bugging me - he's bemoaned the lack of wingers and now we have choice he's playing 5 across the back and therefore we have no wingers starting. We've got Brunt, Phillips, McClean, Burke, Rodriguez and Chadli who can all play on the wing. They'd also all do a bit to improve what we're seeing at the moment.
All that talent yet we started with no width at all yesterday. mind boggling choice by Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Avonbaggie on November 05, 2017, 09:52:24 AM
One of the Pulis interviews yesterday said Williams went into thr dressing room to speak to the players after the match. Is that normal or are they gauging player's opinion on Pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: Avonbaggie on November 05, 2017, 09:52:24 AM
One of the Pulis interviews yesterday said Williams went into thr dressing room to speak to the players after the match. Is that normal or are they gauging player's opinion on Pulis?
wouldn't think its normal for Williams to speak to the players after the match
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on November 05, 2017, 09:57:34 AM
The thing that worries me is if/when we sack him in December we will be in a big struggle so will appoint another short term fix like Allerdyce. Should have shaken hands in the summer and parted on good terms it was obvious this was going to happen, teams who tail off bad 9 times out of 10 start off the following season in the same poor form but the experts on here and social media kept saying they have no relevance. We are in a big mess which could easily have been avoided and I can’t see us getting out of it anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on November 05, 2017, 10:02:31 AM
Quote from: Avonbaggie on November 05, 2017, 09:52:24 AM
One of the Pulis interviews yesterday said Williams went into thr dressing room to speak to the players after the match. Is that normal or are they gauging player's opinion on Pulis?


I doubt he would do that in the dressing room but he could be gauging the players mood and attitude etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on November 05, 2017, 10:05:37 AM
Quote from: Avonbaggie on November 05, 2017, 09:52:24 AM
One of the Pulis interviews yesterday said Williams went into thr dressing room to speak to the players after the match. Is that normal or are they gauging player's opinion on Pulis?

I struggle to see what benefit there is in Williams doing that , feelings generally run high at any level following a defeat let alone one against 10 men .

The worry is that if he's gone in there to molly coddle all involved then my suspicions about the board being a bunch of reactive ditherers is being reinforced.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 05, 2017, 10:10:46 AM
Did you hear what big Sam said about Pulis and wba fans?
Please,these pundits don't know anything about our club.
Its time for TP & GM to go now,so the new guy has time to put his methods over to the players and assess them before January window opens,if we keep pulis until Christmas it could be too late.
We have the best squad for years excepting McLean who is an accident waiting to happen,get rid of him.
I'm fed up of saying the same thing over and over,when will the board get it when were rock bottom? By then it will be too late for us.
I was genuinely optimistic for this season but am dissolutioned now.
Where is our Scottish winger,does he exist?
Can he be worse than Philips?
We should have thrashed Huddersfield, we are better man for man than them,but they were the better team.
That sums it up for me,sick of Pulis excuses now,and his way of praising the oppositition and somehow running us down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on November 05, 2017, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: liverbaggie on November 05, 2017, 10:10:46 AM
Did you hear what (http://[img]big Sam)said about Pulis and wba fans?
Please,these pundits don't know anything about our club.[/img]
Its time for TP & GM to go now,so the new guy has time to put his methods over to the players and assess them before January window opens,if we keep pulis until Christmas it could be too late.
We have the best squad for years excepting McLean who is an accident waiting to happen,get rid of him.
I'm fed up of saying the same thing over and over,when will the board get it when were rock bottom? By then it will be too late for us.
I was genuinely optimistic for this season but am dissolutioned now.
Where is our Scottish winger,does he exist?
Can he be worse than Philips? 


We should have thrashed Huddersfield, we are better man for man than them,but they were the better team.
That sums it up for me,sick of Pulis excuses now,and his way of praising the oppositition and somehow running us down.

iI think Big sam in his early days was at our club has one of the coaching staff
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2017, 10:17:51 AM
Quote from: geoff on November 05, 2017, 10:15:23 AM
iI think Big sam in his early days was at our club has one of the coaching staff
He was , sacked along with Talbot after Woking.
He's never forgot it either!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 05, 2017, 10:35:36 AM
Allardyce said,leave him where he is ( TP ) he's doing a great job,wba fans should be careful what they wish for.
He does bear a grudge against us.
Him and his ilk are dinosaurs now.
These ex players and managers turned pundits are very cliquey and tend to agree with each others self importance,its pathetic.
Put a ' normal ordinary fan' on motd every week and you'll get the real thoughts of a football fan,not these jokers like lineker and Murphy.
I didn't want to watch motd last night because I knew what the match would look like and what Pulis would say and what the pundits would day about us and we would be last on,and the pathetic praise of our opponent's and the criticism of us,sick of hearing it all now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on November 05, 2017, 10:38:26 AM
I said last season that after the final game he should have gone then, allowing a new manager time to settle in & have a his own signings brought in. Didn't happen >:(
I dont think we will let him go because some still believe in the "never been relegated" thing.
So in the belief that he will not be sacked yet i therefore HOPE he does achieve the 40 points & at that point we let go bring in a new man for the job ( hope we are looking for a replacement has we speak) giving him a chance to see who will or won't fit into his future plans & allowing him the time to buy & train them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on November 05, 2017, 10:42:08 AM
Has pulis lost the dressing room and players not want to play for him. Remember what Micheal Owen said perhaps he was right . All bored and not enjoying it . Clear to me pulis and megson need to go now and a new coach new ideas bringing in give the whole club a lift . And when it happens want to see the ground sold out with all the not going again fans while pulis in charge there again .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 05, 2017, 10:46:47 AM
Woke up with a slight glimmer of hope that the board had a pair of testicles between them and he’d be gone. Sadly that illusion was soon shattered.

Blimey Jacko, I admire the courage of your convictions, but you’re talking utter rubbish my friend. I have a friend who supports Burnley and the last thing he would want is Pulis in charge of them.

I see a number of members remain conspicuous through their absence during this awful run of form and performances, all those who were bleating the ‘where are you now’ when we won a few games last season. When they all come rushing back after we’ve won a game I shall not be dignifying them with a response.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jefferson on November 05, 2017, 10:50:08 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 04, 2017, 07:37:03 PM
Personally Jacko, I don't think the Pulis/Megson axis is working.

Results wise, Pulis has a decent record in the Prem, Megson just hasn't.

If there are to be any culls, I think it will be Megson,

Pulis always wants coaches who are the same as him tactically. He won't appoint someone more expansive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on November 05, 2017, 11:04:32 AM
Yesterday followed a similar feeling to the Man City game yesterday, i didnt really care if we won or lost, i listened on the radio, Huddersfield scored and it was a bit of a oh well feeling, cant remember having so much enjoyment sucked out of what is supposed to be a enjoyable thing - football.

My dad is 80 and we have season tickets, at the moment i go to games to spend time with him, if i didnt go with him, i dont think i would bother going, just have such little interest in the actual match.

Now most of that is down to being a making up the clubs number in the premier league, however Pulis ball does play a part too.

The sad thing is overall i think if he left now, once emotions had calmed down a bit i think it would be acknowledged he has done a good job, he has steadied us and brought in a better quality of player than i could of imagined, however he himself doesnt know how to use those players, its another level up and he has proved he cant do it.

I can understand the board supporting him in the summer, after the job he had done i think he had the right to see if we could progress on the pitch, he was backed with better quality players but it just seems he isnt able to progress himself.

I am sure the board would of had one eye on last seasons end to the season, it would of been neglect not too, i think our run from last season could be seen as complacent and unprofessional but as we had achieved our minimum seasons target by February, i think that earnt Pulis the chance to go again this season.

The reality is that hasnt happened, you cant just ignore the end of last season because he hasnt turned around that form, its carried on into this so it is a factor, forget all the never been relegated, go on form and we are in a mess, this isnt a kneejerk reaction after two or three defeats, this is quarter of the season, and in context even longer taking last season into account.

At every club there are a section of fans who dont like the manager from day one, we have had it with Pulis, they see no good in anything he did, thats upto them, the problem is when the middle lane fans (probably similar to myself) start to think despite the best will in the world that this isnt working and accepting that it isnt going too, you lose a large chunk of your fan base support for the manager.

A few anti songs and boo's have taken place in the past, for the first time now those anti songs and boo's are increasing in numbers and when you get to that stage its hard to turn it round. Away games are normally more vocal than home so will be interesting to see what the Chelsea game is like, i expect just a general negative atmosphere, if we start to go a goal or two down then i think the vocals will start, i think that will be when Williams and Lai really take notice.

I dont think fans alone will play a part in Pulis future, ultimately the club care about being in the premier league for the money, thats it, but i think they would be foolish to ignore the fans completely and aside from that, the on the pitch stuff is not showing signs of 'guarenteeing' premier league football, we are in a mess.

Pundits, experts, etc can bang on all they like, but just study the form, this season and last few months of last season (not the last few games) and all the signs are showing relegation, we are getting worst, not better.

Pulis's style when achieving results is somewhat justified, however when it doesnt get results, its a problem, i actually still like Pulis, i think he is a decent bloke and i think the media like him too, thats why he gets an easy ride, you can throw in the 'he doesnt get relegated' because at the moment its a fact, but its also a fact in 2017 our form will lead to relegation.

Like many things i think the time has now come for change, Pulis has reached his level, he should leave, have a few months off, then come back and go to a club and do what he has done for us, a few years, steady the ship, then be on his way, its what he does, but it has a shelf life.

Just my opinion i wouldnt want him as cant stand the bloke but dont think Allardyce would come anyway, he seems in no rush to take a club job, i think he turned down approaches from leicester which to be fair is a more attractive job than ours.

Saying all the above is just my opinion, i actually think Pulis will be here til xmas at least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on November 05, 2017, 12:00:05 PM
Im just embarrassed and cant be bothered now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 05, 2017, 12:01:45 PM
Quote from: jefferson on November 05, 2017, 10:50:08 AM
Pulis always wants coaches who are the same as him tactically. He won't appoint someone more expansive.

On the other hand, "He's up to his a**e in alligators"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 05, 2017, 12:16:37 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on November 05, 2017, 11:04:32 AM
Yesterday followed a similar feeling to the Man City game yesterday, i didnt really care if we won or lost, i listened on the radio, Huddersfield scored and it was a bit of a oh well feeling, cant remember having so much enjoyment sucked out of what is supposed to be a enjoyable thing - football.

My dad is 80 and we have season tickets, at the moment i go to games to spend time with him, if i didnt go with him, i dont think i would bother going, just have such little interest in the actual match.

Now most of that is down to being a making up the clubs number in the premier league, however Pulis ball does play a part too.

The sad thing is overall i think if he left now, once emotions had calmed down a bit i think it would be acknowledged he has done a good job, he has steadied us and brought in a better quality of player than i could of imagined, however he himself doesnt know how to use those players, its another level up and he has proved he cant do it.

I can understand the board supporting him in the summer, after the job he had done i think he had the right to see if we could progress on the pitch, he was backed with better quality players but it just seems he isnt able to progress himself.

I am sure the board would of had one eye on last seasons end to the season, it would of been neglect not too, i think our run from last season could be seen as complacent and unprofessional but as we had achieved our minimum seasons target by February, i think that earnt Pulis the chance to go again this season.

The reality is that hasnt happened, you cant just ignore the end of last season because he hasnt turned around that form, its carried on into this so it is a factor, forget all the never been relegated, go on form and we are in a mess, this isnt a kneejerk reaction after two or three defeats, this is quarter of the season, and in context even longer taking last season into account.

At every club there are a section of fans who dont like the manager from day one, we have had it with Pulis, they see no good in anything he did, thats upto them, the problem is when the middle lane fans (probably similar to myself) start to think despite the best will in the world that this isnt working and accepting that it isnt going too, you lose a large chunk of your fan base support for the manager.

A few anti songs and boo's have taken place in the past, for the first time now those anti songs and boo's are increasing in numbers and when you get to that stage its hard to turn it round. Away games are normally more vocal than home so will be interesting to see what the Chelsea game is like, i expect just a general negative atmosphere, if we start to go a goal or two down then i think the vocals will start, i think that will be when Williams and Lai really take notice.

I dont think fans alone will play a part in Pulis future, ultimately the club care about being in the premier league for the money, thats it, but i think they would be foolish to ignore the fans completely and aside from that, the on the pitch stuff is not showing signs of 'guarenteeing' premier league football, we are in a mess.

Pundits, experts, etc can bang on all they like, but just study the form, this season and last few months of last season (not the last few games) and all the signs are showing relegation, we are getting worst, not better.

Pulis's style when achieving results is somewhat justified, however when it doesnt get results, its a problem, i actually still like Pulis, i think he is a decent bloke and i think the media like him too, thats why he gets an easy ride, you can throw in the 'he doesnt get relegated' because at the moment its a fact, but its also a fact in 2017 our form will lead to relegation.

Like many things i think the time has now come for change, Pulis has reached his level, he should leave, have a few months off, then come back and go to a club and do what he has done for us, a few years, steady the ship, then be on his way, its what he does, but it has a shelf life.

Just my opinion i wouldnt want him as cant stand the bloke but dont think Allardyce would come anyway, he seems in no rush to take a club job, i think he turned down approaches from leicester which to be fair is a more attractive job than ours.

Saying all the above is just my opinion, i actually think Pulis will be here til xmas at least.
A very fair and balanced post. Pretty much spot on in my eyes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on November 05, 2017, 12:31:50 PM
Cannot believe this joyless enemy of football hasn't been disposed of yet. Another very predictable defeat yesterday given the negative, cowardly team selection.

At this point I would seriously take anyone instead of Pulis. Alan Irvine would be a relief.

GET OUT OF MY CLUB.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 05, 2017, 12:36:06 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on November 05, 2017, 12:31:50 PM
Cannot believe this joyless enemy of football hasn't been disposed of yet. Another very predictable defeat yesterday given the negative, cowardly team selection.

At this point I would seriously take anyone instead of Pulis. Alan Irvine would be a relief.

GET OUT OF MY CLUB.

Irvine was useless, however I agree
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 05, 2017, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on November 05, 2017, 07:04:00 AM
Burnley fan wants pulis, we all must be wrong then.

Get a grip and stop making excuses for him, no one gives a toss what anyone else thinks of pulis ain't you realised yet? It isn't them that pay their money to watch his rubbish every week.

It's very clear he has lost the fans and losing the dressing room, there is no football and no results, he's bringing absolutely nothing to the team.
One is stubborn and cannot and will not change according to the obvious, the other is Pullis 😂😂
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 05, 2017, 12:50:19 PM
Has he gone yet?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 05, 2017, 01:43:47 PM
You'd hope that the very least Williams is putting out feelers and drawing up a shortlist of alternatives  who could be available, for when the inevitable happens.
Judging by past appointments he's somebody whose spectrum doesn't seem to spread much beyond the English leagues, but he should be putting on his list some very bright young managers in the Bundesliga, Niko Kovak at Eintracht Frankfurt, Martin Schmidt at Wolfsburg, Thomas Tuchel ex Borussia Dortmund, who could get us results, playing attractive attacking football. I realise there's always a question about adapting to the Premier League, can they communicate effectively in English. I'd also bite your hand off for Koeman, even though there's always a question about Dutch managers' defensive coaching.
But Williams must be drawing up contingency plans now. We don't want to be spending a couple of months looking for a replacement, and then make a last minute panic appointment.   
 
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 05, 2017, 01:49:24 PM
Is anyone else at the stage of wanting us to lose the next couple of games if that saw Pulis removed?  Getting a draw from Chelsea or Spurs is probably the worst result all round; there's little glory and only one point in it and will do little to stave off relegation but may give the Board pause before sacking Pulis.

First time in my 35 years supporting Albion that I've ever been happy to contemplate  us losing...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 05, 2017, 01:58:40 PM
Apart from Wenger (mainly because it's gone on so long) pundits who are ex players or managers always abhore sackings, because it's one of their own. Ignore them entirely.

This is not like the West ham situation under big Sam. Most of us are not deluded about a mythical 'west Brom way'.

Even those pulis fans amongst us must know it's gone too far, they're just too stubborn to admit it.

He's an absolute legend at Stoke and their chairman loved him, and they got rid of him on grounds of being boring and having taken them as far as he can.

Look at Sunderland, villa, Newcastle etc. If you set up for a relegation battle every year, you're going to get burned at some point. Our board spent money because they know that's the case. Problem is, to our manager, it's all he knows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 05, 2017, 02:00:32 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on November 05, 2017, 01:47:50 PM
Surely there must be an insider that knows something or has heard what the situation is, I don't care if its just speculation but I want to know what's going on behind the doors of the WBA boardroom right now.

I have a friend who works within the club (going into schools etc) he’s heard rumours that he has until 2nd December.

That gives him Newcastle and Palace games to save his job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 05, 2017, 02:04:32 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on November 05, 2017, 01:47:50 PM
Surely there must be an insider that knows something or has heard what the situation is, I don't care if its just speculation but I want to know what's going on behind the doors of the WBA boardroom right now.

I know Lepkowski is employed by the club anymore but is there anything of any interest on his closed twitter account?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 05, 2017, 02:08:19 PM
Quote from: billvis on November 05, 2017, 01:58:40 PM
Apart from Wenger (mainly because it's gone on so long) pundits who are ex players or managers always abhore sackings, because it's one of their own. Ignore them entirely.

This is not like the West ham situation under big Sam. Most of us are not deluded about a mythical 'west Brom way'.

Even those pulis fans amongst us must know it's gone too far, they're just too stubborn to admit it.

He's an absolute legend at Stoke and their chairman loved him, and they got rid of him on grounds of being boring and having taken them as far as he can.

Look at Sunderland, villa, Newcastle etc. If you set up for a relegation battle every year, you're going to get burned at some point. Our board spent money because they know that's the case. Problem is, to our manager, it's all he knows.

I hate to admit it but my head wanted us to win yesterday because i generally want us to always win (obviously!). But somewhere deep down in my heart i was willing us not to get an equaliser because i want to see us trying to win games - that's my simple request that i don't think is too much to ask.

So having that feeling yesterday made me feel really miserable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 05, 2017, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: lewisant on November 05, 2017, 02:08:19 PM
I hate to admit it but my head wanted us to win yesterday because i generally want us to always win (obviously!). But somewhere deep down in my heart i was willing us not to get an equaliser because i want to see us trying to win games - that's my simple request that i don't think is too much to ask.

So having that feeling yesterday made me feel really miserable.

Same here mate.

 I'm sure in Tony's head, he's playing to win as well. But his strategy of keeping it boringly tight and trying to knick a goal only has any chance if you can score.

It doesn't have to be like this. We've potentially got a decent squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 05, 2017, 02:34:31 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on November 05, 2017, 01:47:50 PM
Surely there must be an insider that knows something or has heard what the situation is, I don't care if its just speculation but I want to know what's going on behind the doors of the WBA boardroom right now.
38 seems to have good contacts when it comes to inside news on transfers, perhaps he might glean some inside info.
The club surely can't be unaware of the groundswell of reaction going on ATM
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 05, 2017, 02:50:12 PM
Quote from: billvis on November 05, 2017, 01:58:40 PM
Apart from Wenger (mainly because it's gone on so long) pundits who are ex players or managers always abhore sackings, because it's one of their own. Ignore them entirely.

This is not like the West ham situation under big Sam. Most of us are not deluded about a mythical 'west Brom way'.

Even those pulis fans amongst us must know it's gone too far, they're just too stubborn to admit it.

He's an absolute legend at Stoke and their chairman loved him, and they got rid of him on grounds of being boring and having taken them as far as he can.

Look at Sunderland, villa, Newcastle etc. If you set up for a relegation battle every year, you're going to get burned at some point. Our board spent money because they know that's the case. Problem is, to our manager, it's all he knows.
I remember when we tried to win, when we had some decent attacks during the game, when I enjoyed the match. If this counts as "the west brom way", I'm proud to be deluded.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 05, 2017, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: timdon on November 05, 2017, 02:50:12 PM
I remember when we tried to win, when we had some decent attacks during the game, when I enjoyed the match. If this counts as "the west brom way", I'm proud to be deluded.
What I'm saying is that with the likes of West Ham, there is a very particular style their fans want to play.

I agree with you.

I'm not massively bothered about the style. I just want passion and a desire to win. Whether that's via a mowbray style passing game or a more megson style blood and guts method, I want to see us go for it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 03:18:51 PM
He's still here then? As you were.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 05, 2017, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 03:18:51 PM
He's still here then? As you were.

Yes unfortunately more turgid football to come
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 05, 2017, 03:31:03 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 03:18:51 PM
He's still here then? As you were.

Was always going to be. We will need to be cut adrift at the bottom before our hierarchy makes a change. No ambition beyond staying in the league sadly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 05, 2017, 03:33:14 PM
Are these fans or shareholders who want Tony Pulis to stay?

I hate to call loyalty into question but you wouldn't let someone you love get so bad would you?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 05, 2017, 03:33:14 PM
Are these fans or shareholders who want Tony Pulis to stay?

I hate to call loyalty into question but you wouldn't let someone you love get so bad would you?


Dreaming of a Tuchel but end up with a Pardew. Makes a mockery of what we've put up with for the last 3 years. Doesn't make any sense to change mid season because if you can see past the end of your nose 'anything isn't better than Pulis'.


This run should ensure a parting of ways at the end of the season irrespective of us staying up (which we will) when the club can take their time and appoint someone to build on the squad/base left by Pulis as opposed to just continuing doing the same thing and giving us another 2 or 3 years of functional boring football under an interchangeable name...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 03:41:07 PM
Common sense is prevailing. It would be a huge mistake to get rid of Pulis at the moment..

Let's see how we are doing near Christmas. We need to start winning some games and need to start getting a bit of luck. Pulis also needs to stop playing the three center midfielders together as it's not working. I understand the fans frustrations but there is no need to panic yet, we have the most experienced man we could wish to have in this situation. Pulis has never been relegated, he knows how to manage these situations. The worst we could do is get rid and appoint a novice.

I also think losing Dave Kemp was a bigger blow than we all thought. Some managers struggle without their trusty assistant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 05, 2017, 03:55:04 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 03:41:07 PM
Common sense is prevailing. It would be a huge mistake to get rid of Pulis at the moment..

Let's see how we are doing near Christmas. We need to start winning some games and need to start getting a bit of luck. Pulis also needs to stop playing the three center midfielders together as it's not working. I understand the fans frustrations but there is no need to panic yet, we have the most experienced man we could wish to have in this situation. Pulis has never been relegated, he knows how to manage these situations. The worst we could do is get rid and appoint a novice.

I also think losing Dave Kemp was a bigger blow than we all thought. Some managers struggle without their trusty assistant.

We know what will be happening near Christmas. We will be setting up for 0-0's hoping for a bit of luck to turn them into 1-0's. I'm fed up what counts for a bit of luck for Pulis. Winning 1-0 is a triumph for Pulis. It means although the opposition probably got in 10-12 good goal attempts, which reflected their overall dominance of the game, our defence kept them out or they messed up with their shooting, and one of our 2 efforts went in. Just because we had 2 good efforts saved in the last 10 minutes yesterday, doesn't mean overall we had bad luck. A side with our talent should be getting goal attempts in as a matter of routine. Not just relying on a bit of luck at the end of the match when the opposition were down to 10 men.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kie the baggie on November 05, 2017, 03:57:22 PM
I would be interested to hear if there are any of the pro pulis' out there. Any views from you lot?
i think he may be gone tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 05, 2017, 04:07:21 PM
He should do honourable thing and fall on his sword.
Is he honourable?
That is up to you and what you think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 04:07:31 PM
The players did work very hard yesterday, I know that Pulis loves to say that but I think the players are fighting for him and that is a big positive. We need just need to start getting the breaks. Beaten by a wonder goal against Southampton and the same against Huddersfield. I also don't believe this is our best squad in years at all. We haven't got an Odemwingie who would win us games on his own. We haven't got that bit of quality.

What Pulis needs to do is get Brunt and Phillips back in the team, keep Rondon up top and Chadli behind. That will give us a better chance of winning games. He needs to be a bit more flexible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wodenson46 on November 05, 2017, 04:08:19 PM
Need to stay with what we have for now. Change of leadership in the middle of a battle hardly ever works. Pulis does need to look at what is working and what obviously isn't working on the pitch and make the changes there. That IS entirely up to TP and we can only hope he is seeing his errors and is man enough not to obstinately keep making them. I do not mean just giving a few players some pitch time all on their own and  not setting the team up with the intention of allowing these players to do what they do best. We desperately need to be able to pose some sort of threat around our opponents goal, and that can only happen through the team - we cannot afford a  single player who can do this alone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 05, 2017, 04:09:58 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 04:07:31 PM
The players did work very hard yesterday, I know that Pulis loves to say that but I think the players are fighting for him and that is a big positive. We need just need to start getting the breaks. Beaten by a wonder goal against Southampton and the same against Huddersfield. I also don't believe this is our best squad in years at all. We haven't got an Odemwingie who would win us games on his own. We haven't got that bit of quality.

What Pulis needs to do is get Brunt and Phillips back in the team, keep Rondon up top and Chadli behind. That will give us a better chance of winning games. He needs to be a bit more flexible.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Time for change #pulisout
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on November 05, 2017, 04:12:57 PM
All this talk about Pulis never being relegated ignores the fact he's also never been in this bad a run before. His previous worse points return for a 20 game period is 17 points - and Stoke got rid of him at the end of that season so we'll never know if things would have got better.

In other words, this is comfortably the worst "form" Pulis has had as a premier league manager, comforting yourself with the fact he's never been relegated is ignoring the elephant in the room. If he's capable of having by far his worst run now, why is he suddenly incapable of being relegated?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 05, 2017, 04:14:26 PM
If having your opponents go down to 10 men when we are trailing 1:0 away from home when we haven't laid a glove on the opposition isn't a slice of good fortune then I'm not sure what we are looking for.

If it is just "luck" can we replace this luckless fool with someone anyone preferably the owner of a lucky rabbit's foot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 05, 2017, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: Standaman on November 05, 2017, 04:14:26 PM
If having your opponents go down to 10 men when we are trailing 1:0 away from home when we haven't laid a glove on the opposition isn't a slice of good fortune then I'm not sure what we are looking for.

If it is just "luck" can we replace this luckless fool with someone anyone preferably the owner of a lucky rabbit's foot.

Signing on bonus for the new manager: 3 months wages and a horseshoe.

Your first point is spot on. People who are talking about luck are scrabbling about on the floor trying to find a straw to clutch at. We have not been unlucky in this run - there have been things go for us and against us. We've just been completely and utterly woeful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 05, 2017, 04:51:56 PM
People can't still seriously be expecting the man to change.

He hasn't changed since Stoke.

It is clear that no matter what players we have the tactics will not change.

The man himself needs to changed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 05, 2017, 05:17:53 PM
He wont change.
Williams will still support him at the very edge of the drop to the Championship.
Perhaps we need Lai to sack Williams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 05, 2017, 05:21:29 PM
The moment a manager starts bemoaning a lack of luck, you know they are in trouble. Lucks wins you maybe a game here and there, but what you find Tony is that team selection and good tactics tend to win far more games. And in response to those who say changing mid season is wrong - When did Pulis join?? I would rather the club did something, than sit on their collective hands and watch us go down the pan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on November 05, 2017, 05:27:02 PM
He should be gone tomorrow his record is pathetic and he is too stupid to change, his record is worse than Irvine's! If he isn't sacked then West Bromwich Albion Football Club deserve everything they've got coming!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2017, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 03:39:48 PM

Dreaming of a Tuchel but end up with a Pardew. Makes a mockery of what we've put up with for the last 3 years. Doesn't make any sense to change mid season because if you can see past the end of your nose 'anything isn't better than Pulis'.


This run should ensure a parting of ways at the end of the season irrespective of us staying up (which we will) when the club can take their time and appoint someone to build on the squad/base left by Pulis as opposed to just continuing doing the same thing and giving us another 2 or 3 years of functional boring football under an interchangeable name...
Have a lot  of time for your posts ( these days  ;D) , I had a similiar view up until the last few games.
I just can't see where the next win comes from to buck this trend , he insists of this pathetic 3 in the middle and those players are not fighting their all for him as far as I can see.
I think he's finished mate which is the worst time of the season for us as you say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 05:33:34 PM
so the pro Pulis fans think its a bad idea to change managers mid season! yet constantly bang on that if we hadn't sacked Irvine in DECEMBER and got Pulis in JANUARY we would have been relegated.
make you're mind up chaps
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2017, 05:36:46 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 05:33:34 PM
so the pro Pulis fans think its a bad idea to change managers mid season! yet constantly bang on that if we hadn't sacked Irvine in DECEMBER and got Pulis in JANUARY we would have been relegated.
make you're mind up chaps
He's right though , Irvine was well out of his depth.
Sacking half way through a season is never good no matter whose in charge . I think Pulis needs to go now but I'd sooner he went in the Summer after we stay up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 05:43:32 PM
Quote from: Dexy on November 05, 2017, 05:36:46 PM
He's right though , Irvine was well out of his depth.
Sacking half way through a season is never good no matter whose in charge . I think Pulis needs to go now but I'd sooner he went in the Summer after we stay up.
The point is its hypocritical saying its a bad idea to change mid season when they then use it to say it worked last time when pulis came in. Irvine didn't relegate us and that's a fact its only an assumption that's what would have happened if he was retained. he was useless though ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 05, 2017, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Dexy on November 05, 2017, 05:36:46 PM
He's right though , Irvine was well out of his depth.
Sacking half way through a season is never good no matter whose in charge . I think Pulis needs to go now but I'd sooner he went in the Summer after we stay up.
Disagree
1) I don't think there are many left that look at the current run and think we are "safe" so if we wait too long we are looking for a championship manager to get us up....which may even point to Pullis unfortunately
2) you can change a manager at any time, the key is to get a better one(or more in line with what you need) and make it quick and decisive, act now there are two free hits at Chelsea n spuds wait and the morale only goes one way .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 05, 2017, 05:44:50 PM
Quote from: Dexy on November 05, 2017, 05:36:46 PM
He's right though , Irvine was well out of his depth.
Sacking half way through a season is never good no matter whose in charge . I think Pulis needs to go now but I'd sooner he went in the Summer after we stay up.
But the conundrum is that if we stay up, he probably won't be sacked. He is still under contract, so would mean a biggish payout. The owners may see survival as success, especially from a financial viewpoint.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 05, 2017, 05:58:09 PM
There is really only one way to win, and that is to score goals.
He sets up so defensively that when we do finally go forward, the team has to trundle virtually up the whole pitch.
No wonder they are cream cracked after those marathon runs.
How on earth can a player run from his half, into the opponents' half and score?
Their shots are too weak.
He needs to change his ideas and set up to accommodate at least 2 strikers and get his midfield up behind them.
The defence should be just that...Defensive players.
He is a dinosaur lacking in ideas, and we can only hope that he goes the same way as those dinosaurs. PDQ
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2017, 05:58:37 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on November 05, 2017, 05:43:43 PM
Disagree
1) I don't think there are many left that look at the current run and think we are "safe" so if we wait too long we are looking for a championship manager to get us up....which may even point to Pullis unfortunately
2) you can change a manager at any time, the key is to get a better one(or more in line with what you need) and make it quick and decisive, act now there are two free hits at Chelsea n spuds wait and the morale only goes one way .
What I didn't add and I should have us what really worries me is we'd end up with the usual picks from those out of work as Albion certainly in the past won't pay compo.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2017, 05:59:54 PM
Quote from: timdon on November 05, 2017, 05:44:50 PM
But the conundrum is that if we stay up, he probably won't be sacked. He is still under contract, so would mean a biggish payout. The owners may see survival as success, especially from a financial viewpoint.
Id hope for a parting if the ways , mind you I said that last Summer !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 05, 2017, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: Dexy on November 05, 2017, 05:58:37 PM
What I didn't add and I should have us what really worries me is we'd end up with the usual picks from those out of work as Albion certainly in the past won't pay compo.
Hope that we at least make enquiries about managers in Europe. Trouble is I don't know if Williams has the contacts or background knowledge.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 05, 2017, 06:05:59 PM
Of course it's not ideal for him to go now but the time he should've gone They gave him an extension.  I seriously think he's given up it was 10 man Huddersfield for god's sake.  john Williams  he is pushing 77 then again never been known as a sacking chairman. Perhaps this is a perfect storm of s**t we've landed in Both board and management out of touch. Fans sometimes rightly slagged Peace I doubt we'd in this position under him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:08:21 PM
Quote from: alex1 on November 05, 2017, 06:02:31 PM
Hope that we at least make enquiries about managers in Europe. Trouble is I don't know if Williams has the contacts or background knowledge.   


Williams has appointed 3 managers I believe. Hughes Ince and Allardyce. 2 safe pair's of hands and one untried from the lower leagues. Ince was sacked after about 5 months. So you can forget untried. Once bitten twice shy. Nothing absolutely nothing points to an exciting progressive appointment especially not mid season and possibly in a relegation battle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 05, 2017, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:08:21 PM

Williams has appointed 3 managers I believe. Hughes Ince and Allardyce. 2 safe pair's of hands and one untried from the lower leagues. Ince was sacked after about 5 months. So you can forget untried. Once bitten twice shy. Nothing absolutely nothing points to an exciting progressive appointment especially not mid season and possibly in a relegation battle.

In my opinion if we stay with Pulis we will be relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:16:27 PM
Quote from: Aztech on November 05, 2017, 06:14:49 PM
In my opinion if we stay with Pulis we will be relegated.


In my opinion if we end up in a relegation battle we've got the best man for the job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on November 05, 2017, 06:16:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:08:21 PM

Williams has appointed 3 managers I believe. Hughes Ince and Allardyce. 2 safe pair's of hands and one untried from the lower leagues. Ince was sacked after about 5 months. So you can forget untried. Once bitten twice shy. Nothing absolutely nothing points to an exciting progressive appointment especially not mid season and possibly in a relegation battle.

No, that's right, I agree with that part......but, surely anyone, but anyone would be an improvement on Pulis. All I want is to see us at least have a bloody go for Gods sake!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:25:00 PM
Quote from: miggybaggy on November 05, 2017, 06:16:56 PM
No, that's right, I agree with that part......but, surely anyone, but anyone would be an improvement on Pulis. All I want is to see us at least have a bloody go for Gods sake!


Short termism. I for one haven't sat through 3 and a half seasons of Pulis to get a Moyes or Allardyce next for another 3 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 05, 2017, 06:26:37 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:16:27 PM

In my opinion if we end up in a relegation battle we've got the best man for the job.

An Everton win will see us drop another position, we are already in a relegation battle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 05, 2017, 06:28:36 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:16:27 PM

In my opinion if we end up in a relegation battle we've got the best man for the job.

Really? What has he done since February to justify you thinking this? I'm not having a go I just want to know what you see changing? Surely he would have done by now and we should be happy?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:29:28 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 05, 2017, 06:28:36 PM
Really? What has he done since February to justify you thinking this? I'm not having a go I just want to know what you see changing? Surely he would have done by now and we'll should be happy?


Nothing it's what he's done for the last 10 years. Form is temporary etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 05, 2017, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:25:00 PM

Short termism. I for one haven't sat through 3 and a half seasons of Pulis to get a Moyes or Allardyce next for another 3 years.

I would hope the board show more ambition than that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 05, 2017, 06:30:40 PM
Don't know about others, but I was expecting a relegation scrap last year and was surprised with that run mid season.It was in large part due to the form of Phillips and Brunts deliveries of set pieces.

TP has not progressed in his methods at all (witness the shambolic tail end of last season) and you could argue he has regressed because playing 3 DM is a joke. He has clearly promised Livermore nailed on starts in order to get him to sign, same for Greg and Barry probably.

He needs to grow and pair and go back to the successful part of last season and set up for the fast counter attack.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 06:33:27 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:16:27 PM

In my opinion if we end up in a relegation battle we've got the best man for the job.
if that's what transpires its fair to say we've regressed under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on November 05, 2017, 06:34:22 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:25:00 PM

Short termism. I for one haven't sat through 3 and a half seasons of Pulis to get a Moyes or Allardyce next for another 3 years.

But Jacko, its far deeper than that mate! This man is tearing our fan base apart and has already destroyed a lot of the respect and goodwill that used to come our way from opposition fans  and neutrals alike.....IMO he's almost killed the albion. Maybe its a generational thing (I'm 59) but I cannot understand those of you who are prepared to stick with him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 05, 2017, 06:35:04 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:29:28 PM

Nothing it's what he's done for the last 10 years. Form is temporary etc.

10 months isn't a lack of form It's a loss of the dressing room
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:39:24 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 06:33:27 PM
if that's what transpires its fair to say we've regressed under Pulis.


Not at all as long as we stay up. On and off the pitch the club has moved forward. As Stan says we'll only ever be an 8th to 17th club. The Premier League is set up as such.


Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 05, 2017, 06:35:04 PM
10 months isn't a lack of form It's a loss of the dressing room


We went on a 10 month bad run in 2016. So its nothing of the sort.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: miggybaggy on November 05, 2017, 06:34:22 PM
But Jacko, its far deeper than that mate! This man is tearing our fan base apart and has already destroyed a lot of the respect and goodwill that used to come our way from opposition fans  and neutrals alike.....IMO he's almost killed the albion. Maybe its a generational thing (I'm 59) but I cannot understand those of you who are prepared to stick with him.


With this chairman if we sack mid season it's groundhog day, none of those valid concerns will be repaired or addressed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 05, 2017, 06:48:36 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:16:27 PM

In my opinion if we end up in a relegation battle we've got the best man for the job.

But it would be precisely that mans fault if we were.

Almost makes you think doesent it.

He keeps his team is a constant state of relegation form knowing that he is the "best man for the job" in a relegation battle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
Not sure if already been posted;

Reports suggest Pulis to be sacked within 48 hours
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 05, 2017, 06:52:18 PM
Can't disagree with you Jacko in so far as sacking now means we will replace him with someone who will be another 'short term fix' who will end up lasting around 3 seasons without addressing the problems I have with us currently. The problem is, I cannot take watching any more of this.

If Williams could guarantee me privately that Pulis would leave at the end of the season and they are already working hard behind the scenes, looking abroad as well as domestically, to find his replacement who will progress us in terms of style and play as well as results, i could probably stomach it, but I have no faith that if we survive this season they will get rid of him then. Giving him that additional year on his contract was just ridiculous and I have little or no faith in my club anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 05, 2017, 06:58:23 PM
Quote from: Aztech on November 05, 2017, 06:26:37 PM
An Everton win will see us drop another position, we are already in a relegation battle.
Down to 16th place and only 1 point off the drop.
Dinosaurs died because they couldn't change and adapt.
We have a dinosaur in charge and he will take us down with him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 05, 2017, 06:58:58 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
Not sure if already been posted;

Reports suggest Pulis to be sacked within 48 hours

HP (source)?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 05, 2017, 06:59:30 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:16:27 PM

In my opinion if we end up in a relegation battle we've got the best man for the job.

That's one of the single stupidest arguments I've ever heard. If that's the best Pulis supporters can come up with, that's embarrassing! If he was so great at surviving relegation battles, maybe he should consider using those talents to avoid them all together. And yet here we are, one point above the drop zone. What is he going to change to get us more points? He's out of ideas and he's been found out.

Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
Not sure if already been posted;

Reports suggest Pulis to be sacked within 48 hours

Don't go getting my hopes up!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 05, 2017, 07:00:40 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 06:16:27 PM

In my opinion if we end up in a relegation battle we've got the best man for the job.
He is the cause, not the remedy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 05, 2017, 07:08:47 PM
His football is very bad for the image of our club. We represent the West Midlands in the Prem. which ought to give us a high positive profile in the region. But what about the next generation of Albion fans. Most of us here will never change, but how many young kids would willingly become West Brom fans now? Especially if they attend and have to sit through boring tedious games. Kids want to see some goalmouth action, especially caused by the team they are supporting. This generation of local kids could be lost to other clubs.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 05, 2017, 07:09:35 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
Not sure if already been posted;

Reports suggest Pulis to be sacked within 48 hours

I've got the fizz on ice just in case you're right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 05, 2017, 07:11:27 PM
Hey ashdoy,said who?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 07:13:36 PM
3 of our last 4 managers have all been appointed mid season and all kept us up so no its not the kiss of death some think it is

pulis
pepe mel
hodgson

bobby gould has a better win rate than pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on November 05, 2017, 07:23:55 PM
Not sure why it is so absurd or risky to sack mid season as opposed to sacking in the summer. Surely it is better to act sooner rather than later so you have a wider pool of managers out of work to choose from?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 05, 2017, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on November 05, 2017, 07:23:55 PM
Not sure why it is so absurd or risky to sack mid season as opposed to sacking in the summer. Surely it is better to act sooner rather than later so you have a wider pool of managers out of work to choose from?

Indeed, It makes sense now as there is a fortnight's break now so the board have breathinng room if they act quick
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 05, 2017, 07:36:28 PM
Last caller on 606 was a man utd fan. Described them as just a rich west Brom, the way mou sets up. Ian Wright was killing himself.

We are a byword for s##t football. Thanks Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
We need to be realistic. No manager is going to come in straight away and get us playing great football and results. We are in a tough situation where an experienced head is needed. Pulis has the know how, we need to see where we are near Christmas. A couple of wins and we'll be wondering what the fuss is about.

A lot of Albion fans are angry and are demanding action without thinking about the big picture.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 05, 2017, 07:44:32 PM
Has the sleepy geriatric prat Williams pulled the trigger yet or is he too scared of losing his drinking buddy?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 05, 2017, 07:47:31 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
We need to be realistic. No manager is going to come in straight away and get us playing great football and results. We are in a tough situation where an experienced head is needed. Pulis has the know how, we need to see where we are near Christmas. A couple of wins and we'll be wondering what the fuss is about.

A lot of Albion fans are angry and are demanding action without thinking about the big picture.

What utter garbage, you really need to open your eyes
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 05, 2017, 07:47:42 PM
Hey legend,I think the majority of fans know exactly what the bigger picture is,don't do them down please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on November 05, 2017, 07:48:15 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
We need to be realistic. No manager is going to come in straight away and get us playing great football and results. We are in a tough situation where an experienced head is needed. Pulis has the know how, we need to see where we are near Christmas. A couple of wins and we'll be wondering what the fuss is about.

A lot of Albion fans are angry and are demanding action without thinking about the big picture.
I've been looking at the bigger picture for months , and look where we are now and who as put us where we are! He shouldn't need the know how to get us out of it because we should never be in it! And no I won't be wondering what all the fuss was about, Pulis out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 05, 2017, 07:50:20 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
We need to be realistic. No manager is going to come in straight away and get us playing great football and results. We are in a tough situation where an experienced head is needed. Pulis has the know how, we need to see where we are near Christmas. A couple of wins and we'll be wondering what the fuss is about.

A lot of Albion fans are angry and are demanding action without thinking about the big picture.
Pulis has 2 wins in 20 and no signs of stopping the rot, what makes you think he can find  a solution? Please enlighten us on the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 05, 2017, 07:53:30 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
Not sure if already been posted;

Reports suggest Pulis to be sacked within 48 hours
What reports?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:55:00 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 05, 2017, 07:50:20 PM
Pulis has 2 wins in 20 and no signs of stopping the rot, what makes you think he can find  a solution? Please enlighten us on the bigger picture.

2 wins in 11. Last season has gone and not relevant.

The last three games we've lost by the odd goal. One game against Man City, the other two we lost to wondergoals.

Before that we were 2-0 to a very good Watford team and conceded in the last kick of the game when we should have had a free kick.

Our approach to games needs to improve, the team selection needs to change. But we are not far away. The players are still up for it, I don't think another manager would squeeze much more out of this squad. We have been involved in a lot of close games, when you get the breaks you get the points, we are currently not getting much luck. Burnley are winning 1-0 most weeks, they are getting the luck and Dyche is being called a genius despite playing exactly like we do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on November 05, 2017, 07:56:37 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
We need to be realistic. No manager is going to come in straight away and get us playing great football and results. We are in a tough situation where an experienced head is needed. Pulis has the know how, we need to see where we are near Christmas. A couple of wins and we'll be wondering what the fuss is about.

A lot of Albion fans are angry and are demanding action without thinking about the big picture.

The bigger picture at this moment involves championship football next season . We cannot continue with the negativity around the club . It is counter productive. Remove the source of it .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on November 05, 2017, 07:57:04 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:55:00 PM
2 wins in 11. Last season has gone and not relevant.

The last three games we've lost by the odd goal. One game against Man City, the other two we lost to wondergoals.

Before that we were 2-0 to a very good Watford team and conceded in the last kick of the game when we should have had a free kick.

Our approach to games needs to improve, the team selection needs to change. But we are not far away. The players are still up for it, I don't think another manager would squeeze much more out of this squad.
You have seriously lost the plot mate  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 05, 2017, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on November 05, 2017, 07:44:32 PM
Has the sleepy geriatric prat Williams pulled the trigger yet or is he too scared of losing his drinking buddy?
Do you know that to be a fact?
If so, this is where you have to get the right relationship between a manager and his boss. You need to be able to get on, and communicate clearly to one another, but if they become too pally, they will start looking to do one another favours, which would be bad for the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 05, 2017, 08:00:49 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:55:00 PM
2 wins in 11. Last season has gone and not relevant.

The last three games we've lost by the odd goal. One game against Man City, the other two we lost to wondergoals.

Before that we were 2-0 to a very good Watford team and conceded in the last kick of the game when we should have had a free kick.

Our approach to games needs to improve, the team selection needs to change. But we are not far away. The players are still up for it, I don't think another manager would squeeze much more out of this squad.
It is relevant but OK.
What, in your opinion, is he going to do different? How is he going to stop us losing by the odd goal?
You say the approach and team selection needs to change, so why hasn't it? Why did he play 8 defenders yesterday?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on November 05, 2017, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:55:00 PM
2 wins in 11. Last season has gone and not relevant.

The last three games we've lost by the odd goal. One game against Man City, the other two we lost to wondergoals.

Before that we were 2-0 to a very good Watford team and conceded in the last kick of the game when we should have had a free kick.

Our approach to games needs to improve, the team selection needs to change. But we are not far away. The players are still up for it, I don't think another manager would squeeze much more out of this squad. We have been involved in a lot of close games, when you get the breaks you get the points, we are currently not getting much luck. Burnley are winning 1-0 most weeks, they are getting the luck and Dyche is being called a genius despite playing exactly like we do.

If last season has gone and is not relevant surely you can’t claim Pulis will keep us up on past history.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 05, 2017, 08:05:12 PM
I could hold off the idea of a change in manager if I could see that our performances are improving - however he has assembled a largely expensive squad who are now playing a brand of football which is worse than we've seen from his sides before and the results are equally as bad.

Therefore, we have to make a change. Williams will opt for a safe pair of hands.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on November 05, 2017, 08:05:59 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
We need to be realistic. No manager is going to come in straight away and get us playing great football and results. We are in a tough situation where an experienced head is needed. Pulis has the know how, we need to see where we are near Christmas. A couple of wins and we'll be wondering what the fuss is about.

A lot of Albion fans are angry and are demanding action without thinking about the big picture.

Did you not have this exact view just before Irvine was sacked? How did that turn out?

We need a change NOW.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 05, 2017, 08:07:58 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
We need to be realistic. No manager is going to come in straight away and get us playing great football and results. We are in a tough situation where an experienced head is needed. Pulis has the know how, we need to see where we are near Christmas. A couple of wins and we'll be wondering what the fuss is about.

A lot of Albion fans are angry and are demanding action without thinking about the big picture.

I think there are Albion fans who probably agree with you about a couple of wins and everything will be fine. That's the problem. TP (and those fans) thinks every 1-0 win is a fantastic performance, whereas if you take the 2 at the start of the season, we got off the hook in both games. I find it very difficult to think of more than a handful of games under Pulis where we have played well, were the better team and deserved to win. Burnley, Swansea at home last season, Leicester away and then you start struggling.
People are deluding themselves if they think some typical 1-0 wins will see the tide changing. It will just be because the opposition couldn't convert their chances.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 05, 2017, 08:08:08 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:55:00 PM
2 wins in 11. Last season has gone and not relevant.

The last three games we've lost by the odd goal. One game against Man City, the other two we lost to wondergoals.

Before that we were 2-0 to a very good Watford team and conceded in the last kick of the game when we should have had a free kick.

Our approach to games needs to improve, the team selection needs to change. But we are not far away. The players are still up for it, I don't think another manager would squeeze much more out of this squad.

Pulis isn't squeezing anything out of this squad whatsoever, most of them are playing woefully below their standard and capabilities. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: California Dreaming on November 05, 2017, 08:11:35 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 05, 2017, 08:00:49 PM
It is relevant but OK.
What, in your opinion, is he going to do different? How is he going to stop us losing by the odd goal?
You say the approach and team selection needs to change, so why hasn't it? Why did he play 8 defenders yesterday?

Because Dawson was injured.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on November 05, 2017, 08:26:19 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 05, 2017, 07:09:35 PM
I've got the fizz on ice just in case you're right.
.    Just heard the same rumour. Pullis to be sacked Monday after big bust up with M Phillips in the dressing room over negative tactics .apparently wanted him to be placed on transfer list but board refused . Watch this space .they say no smoke without a fire
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on November 05, 2017, 08:36:55 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on November 05, 2017, 08:26:19 PM
.    Just heard the same rumour. Pullis to be sacked Monday after big bust up with M Phillips in the dressing room over negative tactics .apparently wanted him to be placed on transfer list but board refused . Watch this space .they say no smoke without a fire

Please, please, please...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 05, 2017, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:55:00 PM
2 wins in 11. Last season has gone and not relevant.

The last three games we've lost by the odd goal. One game against Man City, the other two we lost to wondergoals.

Before that we were 2-0 to a very good Watford team and conceded in the last kick of the game when we should have had a free kick.

Our approach to games needs to improve, the team selection needs to change. But we are not far away. The players are still up for it, I don't think another manager would squeeze much more out of this squad. We have been involved in a lot of close games, when you get the breaks you get the points, we are currently not getting much luck. Burnley are winning 1-0 most weeks, they are getting the luck and Dyche is being called a genius despite playing exactly like we do.

Because 2 wins in 11 is a great return in itself. Good grief do you read what you post?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 05, 2017, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 05, 2017, 08:39:17 PM
Because 2 wins in 11 is a great return in itself. Good grief do you read what you post?
Perhaps someone is just as blind to the facts as Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on November 05, 2017, 08:43:09 PM
Chadli,Rondon , Phillips , not to mention Burke (where's he gone )J J Rod , Brunt  surly these have not become bad players over night . Just tactically inept
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 05, 2017, 08:49:31 PM
He is no longer good at organizing.
It is a bit like getting some electricians in and asking them to build computers...Similar but totally different plans.
He has got attacking wingers and then gets them to defend...Similar but totally different plans.
He is not using the players to the best of their abilities when they were scouted and bought.
He has "down" trained them into being defensive robots.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 05, 2017, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on November 05, 2017, 08:49:31 PM
He is no longer good at organizing.
It is a bit like getting some electricians in and asking them to build computers...Similar but totally different plans.
He has got attacking wingers and then gets them to defend...Similar but totally different plans.
He is not using the players to the best of their abilities when they were scouted and bought.
He has "down" trained them into being defensive robots.

Agree totally. But to me on the plus side we have a potentially great attacking team. We just need the right coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 05, 2017, 08:54:52 PM
No Ifs or BUTs but Puils now has to go.
Those of us who were there yesterday will know how much the crowd has turned and the anger he has engendered.

Pleased with him looking like he was making progression up until March last season.

The end of the season was very poor and he could have been sacked for that alone but I, like most, were prepared to give him the window to boost the squad.
The first few narrow wins helped mask just how poor and wayward we are this season culminating in the appalling last two away non-performances.

#PulisOut must be trending ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on November 05, 2017, 08:59:06 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 05, 2017, 08:53:35 PM
Agree totally. But to me on the plus side we have a potentially great attacking team. We just need the right coach.
.  Agree with you totally and if it mean going down then so be it . Just fed up at treading water in the greed league
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 09:00:54 PM
It’s on ESPN. Been sent via WhatsApp so haven’t actually found the link (I don’t know why it doesn’t let me attach a photo off my iPhone on here to show)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 05, 2017, 09:02:38 PM
I wondered if the "be careful what you wish for" comments were made in the media when Pulis left Stoke, apparently so.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tony-pulis-future-stoke-fans-1774978

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Stoke fans are glad that Pulis has gone, even if they are not happy with Hughes (which is irrelevant as just because they are not happy with Hughes doesn't mean they'd have Pulis back).

Only the most ardent Pulis supporter could argue that they don't play better football than under Pulis with better season finishes (apart from last season when they finished 13th which is average for Pulis)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 05, 2017, 09:04:22 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on November 05, 2017, 08:49:31 PM
He is no longer good at organizing.
It is a bit like getting some electricians in and asking them to build computers...Similar but totally different plans.
He has got attacking wingers and then gets them to defend...Similar but totally different plans.
He is not using the players to the best of their abilities when they were scouted and bought.
He has "down" trained them into being defensive robots.

What I don't get is is people saying "forget last season" writing 1 win in 11 off it part of a pattern but ok. Its 2 in 11 this season. what makes people think he'll suddenly start winning now. what's he going to do that SO inspiring that going to change this pattern it's not to have a go at other fans I just can't see what they do I'm sorry lads
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on November 05, 2017, 09:22:03 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 09:00:54 PM
It’s on ESPN. Been sent via WhatsApp so haven’t actually found the link (I don’t know why it doesn’t let me attach a photo off my iPhone on here to show)
.   What's on ESPN ? Have I missed something
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggieboy74 on November 05, 2017, 09:23:51 PM
We are already 9 points behind Burnley......
It could take a manager months to coach this brand of football out of the players and inject some confidence.....
Very worried.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 05, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
We need to be realistic. No manager is going to come in straight away and get us playing great football and results. We are in a tough situation where an experienced head is needed. Pulis has the know how, we need to see where we are near Christmas. A couple of wins and we'll be wondering what the fuss is about.

A lot of Albion fans are angry and are demanding action without thinking about the big picture.

I think you'll find many of us were giving him time to develop and were ok if we got wins. Take away the wins and the football getting even worse (if that's possible ?) and there's nothing left.
The majority seemed to have had enough now and there's vary little chance of turning back as they guy cannot change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 05, 2017, 09:26:30 PM
This fine margins stuff is pretty galling fine margins are a product of setting up to nick a goal and on the odd occasion that we do we go more defensive hence creating the fine margins situation.
Tone stop talking rubbish, change what isn't working, drop the ostracising of players and you may stand an outside chance of survival

Personally I think once you got the contract extension you knew you were sorted financially and could get sacked and take the cash.

Cowardly manager taking a cowardly option.

A new guy would have a good set of tools to work with IMO
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on November 05, 2017, 09:33:36 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 09:00:54 PM
It’s on ESPN. Been sent via WhatsApp so haven’t actually found the link (I don’t know why it doesn’t let me attach a photo off my iPhone on here to show)
.  Just found your recent post .Got It !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 05, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
Next two games...Chelsea and Spurs.

I can't see us above the relegation zone after those two games.

Anyway, as has been said in this thread previously, our team actually isn't that bad and on paper is far better than last years side which finished 10th - so there's no excuses in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 09:38:19 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on November 05, 2017, 09:33:36 PM
.  Just found your recent post .Got It !!

I’m looking at a photo of it off their site dated 5th November but cannot seem to find a link to it anywhere. Could be a fake
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 09:45:41 PM
I’d take RDM back and still be relegated to free us from the shackles of Pulis.

Never known the club so embarrassing, so uninspiring and so negative.

We strived to consolidate in this league, but for what?

We have lost crowds, downgraded capacity, lost our identity, lost our soul. Fans are bored, players cba, other fans despise us. We have lost the one thing that got us here in the first place; belief.

We are no longer the smaller club fighting above its weight class but winning rounds, we are no longer the club with the fans of the year, or with a surprisingly good recruitment system.

Instead we are now the team with 80% attendances, showing no ambition and signing washed up ex internationals to add to an already aging squad. We as a fan base are bored of our club, what do the others who once took inspiration from us now think?

Whilst I will never be embarrassed to be an Albion fan, I’m now disheartened by it. One man has ripped this club’s soul and passion to shreds, it’s down to the fans and the board to pick those pieces up and try to rebuild.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
Pulis actually gave this club a bit of respect back. After the shambles of Pepe Mel and the mess behind the scenes, he came in and sorted us out, brought Fletcher in and gave us some pride.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on November 05, 2017, 09:56:30 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
Pulis actually gave this club a bit of respect back. After the shambles of Pepe Mel and the mess behind the scenes, he came in and sorted us out, brought Fletcher in and gave us some pride.
.  Different behind the scenes now . Time to move on and up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2017, 09:56:38 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
Pulis actually gave this club a bit of respect back. After the shambles of Pepe Mel and the mess behind the scenes, he came in and sorted us out, brought Fletcher in and gave us some pride.
Very true , I'm lost as to why he's switched nearly eveything decent around . Rapidly losing those credits though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on November 05, 2017, 09:57:13 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
Pulis actually gave this club a bit of respect back. After the shambles of Pepe Mel and the mess behind the scenes, he came in and sorted us out, brought Fletcher in and gave us some pride.
the stupidest post ever. He's made us an embarrassement
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on November 05, 2017, 09:57:30 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
Pulis actually gave this club a bit of respect back. After the shambles of Pepe Mel and the mess behind the scenes, he came in and sorted us out, brought Fletcher in and gave us some pride.

I thought you were very happy with the Irvine era before Pulis came in? Make your mind up...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on November 05, 2017, 09:59:16 PM
Why is Pepe Mel a shambles,he kept us up against all the odds,he wasn't allowed his own men,and got one on loan striker from a French 2nd division team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 05, 2017, 10:03:25 PM
We are rapidly approaching the point where there is very little downside risk in firing Pulis. We are currently trending below 40 points for the season the notion that Pulis is a guarantee against relegation is looking increasingly hollow and the risk of not changing is getting greater than the risk of leaving him in place.

The fan base is nearly at the Irvine point i.e. Anyone but him and that is where Pulis began
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on November 05, 2017, 10:03:36 PM
I give him credit for his ability to take a poor team and organise them well.Thisgets great results for him. However he had no ability to progress past that and that’s why good players won’t play for him.Personally I think he has done his job here and now need to be removed - urgently
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: HampshireBaggie on November 05, 2017, 10:06:53 PM
He was the right man for the job at the time. He needed to go in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 10:08:36 PM
Pepe Mel was no shambles. He did what Pulis can’t do; take a bunch of players who can’t play his style and still keep them up.

Pulis is proving that right now. Players too good for his ancient tactics and look at us; in free fall.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:10:14 PM
Pepe Mel wasn't in charge, Downing was. Ask any of the players during that time. Pepe Mel didn't have a clue. Disastrous appointment.

This will always be my fear. What are we going to do after Pulis? Appoint another Mel? I don't want us going back to Championship football. I want Pulis to leave something for the next manager to build on. We need to make sensible decisions and not panicked ones.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: Lloydy on November 05, 2017, 09:57:30 PM
I thought you were very happy with the Irvine era before Pulis came in? Make your mind up...

Irvine did well under tough circumstances. He took over a team who finished 17th, he had a poor squad, players signed who he didn't want and weren't good enough. The recruitment was to blame for the mess, Pulis performed miracles that season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 10:13:33 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:10:14 PM
Pepe Mel wasn't in charge, Downing was. Ask any of the players during that time. Pepe Mel didn't have a clue. Disastrous appointment.

This will always be my fear. What are we going to do after Pulis? Appoint another Mel? I don't want us going back to Championship football. I want Pulis to leave something for the next manager to build on. We need to make sensible decisions and not panicked ones.

Another myth. Mel was firmly in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 05, 2017, 10:15:20 PM
We're not doing the Mel debate in here

There are other threads for that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:15:40 PM
I have come on here and criticised the football under Pulis after results before. I'm not blind to see that we're not good to watch. We've having a bad time, the fans turned on him against Huddersfield but they did against Bournemouth last season and the next game we smashed 4 past West Ham. Pulis track record gives him breathing space.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2017, 10:16:28 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 10:13:33 PM
Another myth. Mel was firmly in charge.
No he wasnt , not at all.
Downing had to take over , thats a fact.
Tony Pulis in here please
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 10:20:45 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:15:40 PM
I have come on here and criticised the football under Pulis after results before. I'm not blind to see that we're not good to watch. We've having a bad time, the fans turned on him against Huddersfield but they did against Bournemouth last season and the next game we smashed 4 past West Ham. Pulis track record gives him breathing space.
we wont smash four past Chelsea, in fact we wont smash four past anyone with 8 defensive players in the starting line up.
anyway isn't it irrelevant what he did last season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 05, 2017, 10:25:51 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:15:40 PM
Pulis track record gives him breathing space.

Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 07:55:00 PM
2 wins in 11. Last season has gone and not relevant.

Sorry, these arguments are mutually exclusive. Either what has happened before this season is relevant or it's not, which one is it?

2 wins in 20 league games, 10 games without a win in all competitions. The stats are damning and the performances have no positives to suggest it's all about to be turned round. We're only heading in one direction under this embarrassment to the sport.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 05, 2017, 10:25:57 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:15:40 PM
I have come on here and criticised the football under Pulis after results before. I'm not blind to see that we're not good to watch. We've having a bad time, the fans turned on him against Huddersfield but they did against Bournemouth last season and the next game we smashed 4 past West Ham. Pulis track record gives him breathing space.
Fair play to you Legend, I disagree with everything you say but the fact that everyone is slaughtering you yet you still defend and back your man is admirable forum behaviour.  Can't be accused of being fickle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: wbawill on November 05, 2017, 10:25:51 PM
Sorry, these arguments are mutually exclusive. Either what has happened before this season is relevant or it's not, which one is it?

2 wins in 20 league games, 10 games without a win in all competitions. The stats are damning and the performances have no positives to suggest it's all about to be turned round. We're only heading in one direction under this embarrassment to the sport.

His track record is relevant as it's evidence of Pulis being able to keep teams in this league. The end of last season was the case of a team playing for nothing against teams needing the points. Happens with other teams too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 10:36:09 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on November 05, 2017, 10:25:57 PM
Fair play to you Legend, I disagree with everything you say but the fact that everyone is slaughtering you yet you still defend and back your man is admirable forum behaviour.  Can't be accused of being fickle.

Sorry to disagree but he’s history shows he hated Pulis before, this is all an act IMHO.

Opinions though, that’s all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 10:37:45 PM
when did kemp leave? maybe he was the one holding us together not Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:38:42 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 10:36:09 PM
Sorry to disagree but he’s history shows he hated Pulis before, this is all an act IMHO.

Opinions though, that’s all.

I've never hated Pulis. I've already said I've criticised him on here before while angry after a defeat. I've said the football isn't good. I can also appreciate what he's done here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 05, 2017, 10:38:55 PM
I stopped posting here some months ago because my negativity about Pulis was being jumped on by the same few people every time I posted. As almost everyone here (and on other forums for that matter) now thinks that Pulis should go, it seemed like an appropriate time to return.

Pulis has been at Albion for nearly 3 years, but it feels like 30 years to me. We all despised his approach at Stoke but now, predictably, he's done it to us too. For me, the end doesn't justify the means - if football doesn't exist to try to entertain, then there's no point it existing at all. Time wasting in the first half regularly when we're not even winning just shows how low we've sunk this season, and that anyone can still find any merit in Pulis's tactics at all is incomprehensible to me. I hate what our club has become and how it's seen by others now. Many would say they don't care what outsiders think but, at the same time, we all want to feel proud of our club. How much pride do we feel about Albion right now?

It's been widely posted about how Pulis's record is worse than Irvine's. I went through some stats and found some interesting other discoveries too. The stats below are based on 17 games (league games only), because that's how many league games Pepe Mel was in charge for:

ManagerPWDLPtsWin%Loss%Notes
Clarke173771617.6%41.2%His last 17 games in charge
Mel173681517.6%47.1%His only 17 games in charge with no signings of his choosing and without his choice of backroom staff
Mowbray173591417.6%52.9%His last 17 games in charge when we finished bottom
Pulis1725101111.7%58.8%His past (and hopefully last) 17 games

People can say that the dismal end to last season shouldn't be taken into account, but there's no way to dress it up to make it look acceptable even just looking at this season's results. On top of all of this, but unsurprisingly, reports are now emerging of a dressing room split. Mr Williams, assuming he actually exists and isn't a figment of everyone's imagination, needs to convene an urgent board meeting and the Board has to take the only sensible decision in the face of everything that's happening.....

....Pulis out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 10:39:30 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:38:42 PM
I've never hated Pulis. I've already said I've criticised him on here before while angry after a defeat. I've said the football isn't good. I can also appreciate what he's done here.

I’m referring to posts made whilst he was at Stoke. Along the lines of ‘his football doesn’t belong in the Prem’
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:39:33 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 10:37:45 PM
when did kemp leave? maybe he was the one holding us together not Pulis.

A bigger loss than we all thought.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 05, 2017, 10:43:25 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
Pulis actually gave this club a bit of respect back. After the shambles of Pepe Mel and the mess behind the scenes, he came in and sorted us out, brought Fletcher in and gave us some pride.

And the shambles after your mate Irvine  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on November 05, 2017, 10:46:44 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:39:33 PM
A bigger loss than we all thought.

Our poor form, and complete inability to create from open play long predate Kemp leaving.

Really the biggest issue Pulis is having is we've not been anywhere near as potent on set pieces this season as he's usually reliant on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on November 05, 2017, 10:48:04 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/05/tony-pulis-unforgiving-west-brom-fans-have-short-memories/

Poor Tone. Victim of his own success apparently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on November 05, 2017, 10:48:39 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 05, 2017, 10:38:55 PM
I stopped posting here some months ago because my negativity about Pulis was being jumped on by the same few people every time I posted. As almost everyone here (and on other forums for that matter) now thinks that Pulis should go, it seemed like an appropriate time to return.

Pulis has been at Albion for nearly 3 years, but it feels like 30 years to me. We all despised his approach at Stoke but now, predictably, he's done it to us too. For me, the end doesn't justify the means - if football doesn't exist to try to entertain, then there's no point it existing at all. Time wasting in the first half regularly when we're not even winning just shows how low we've sunk this season, and that anyone can still find any merit in Pulis's tactics at all is incomprehensible to me. I hate what our club has become and how it's seen by others now. Many would say they don't care what outsiders think but, at the same time, we all want to feel proud of our club. How much pride do we feel about Albion right now?

It's been widely posted about how Pulis's record is worse than Irvine's. I went through some stats and found some interesting other discoveries too. The stats below are based on 17 games (league games only), because that's how many league games Pepe Mel was in charge for:

ManagerPWDLPtsWin%Loss%Notes
Clarke173771617.6%41.2%His last 17 games in charge
Mel173681517.6%47.1%His only 17 games in charge with no signings of his choosing and without his choice of backroom staff
Mowbray173591417.6%52.9%His last 17 games in charge when we finished bottom
Pulis1725101111.7%58.8%His past (and hopefully last) 17 league games

People can say that the dismal end to last season shouldn't be taken into account, but there's no way to dress it up to make it look acceptable even just looking at this season's results. On top of all of this, but unsurprisingly, reports are now emerging of a dressing room split. Mr Williams, assuming he actually exists and isn't a figment of everyone's imagination, needs to convene an urgent board meeting and the Board has to take the only sensible decision in the face of everything that's happening.....

....Pulis out
Excellent post.

I'm deeply concerned by tonight's E&S article which suggests a significant reason for not yet sacking Pulis is a lack of "suitable alternatives"... This suggests Williams is only looking domestically for replacements... Of course there will be a lack of suitable alternatives if you only look to a footballing nation that can produce the likes of Pulis et al!

I refuse to believe, that in the whole world, there is not a manager who could be better than the extremely limited Tony Pulis. Have some imagination FFS. Look at Saints and Pochettino for example.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 10:39:30 PM
I’m referring to posts made whilst he was at Stoke. Along the lines of ‘his football doesn’t belong in the Prem’

Glad I'm in your head so much you have time to look at my old posts. Thanks.  :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:52:26 PM
Quote from: maccbaggie on November 05, 2017, 10:48:39 PM
Excellent post.

I'm deeply concerned by tonight's E&S article which suggests a significant reason for not yet sacking Pulis is a lack of "suitable alternatives"... This suggests Williams is only looking domestically for replacements... Of course there will be a lack of suitable alternatives if you only look to a footballing nation that can produce the likes of Pulis et al!

I refuse to believe, that in the whole world, there is not a manager who could be better than the extremely limited Tony Pulis. Have some imagination FFS. Look at Saints and Pochettino for example.

Southampton a very different club. Anyway didn't Marco Silva relegate Hull? I thought he was brought in to save them...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on November 05, 2017, 10:53:32 PM
The Baggies boss was bombarded with chants from the away end on Saturday calling for him to be sacked.

Those toxic scenes came during a 1-0 defeat to ten-man Huddersfield Town that left Pulis without a win in 10 games in all competitions.

But Pulis, who is nearing three years in the job, hit back at the fans with the suggestion they had short memories.

"What happens is when you’re at a football club, and I’ve been here nearly three years now, you take the club up and take it up and take it onwards and onwards," he said.

"You have a look at the players I took over and the players we’ve brought to this football club. Compare them to the players we’ve got now.

"So the expectation levels go right through the roof.

"We finished in the top ten last year, we’ve brought some good players in and everybody was talking about us finishing in the top eight. That's the expectation.

"That’s the job that you’ve done to make expectations the way they are and that’s what people forget, the job you’ve done.

"That’s soon forgotten if you go on a bad run. And supporters are unforgiving, that’s not just at this football club it’s at every football club.

"But my record at the club, you have a look at the players we’ve brought in, have a look at the quality, have a look at the fact we’ve made money every year I’ve been at this football club.

"We’ve had a changeover of chairmanship, all this is going on and this club has steadily progressed."

Pulis rescued the club from relegation in 2015 before guiding them to safety a season later and a top-half finish last time out.

But the Albion faithful have lost patience with his cautious approach during a run of two wins in 20 league games spanning two seasons.

Although Pulis suggested fans reminded themselves of what he'd done at the club, he also admitted it was results-driven business.

"Supporters go off games," he said. "There’s never a thought of what happened before, it’s all about today. It’s not about yesterday.

"Irrespective of what I’ve done previously and how the club is they look at the results you’ve had over a short period of time and I understand that.

"I’ve been in the game a long time, it’s all about results


Just talks in circles he does
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on November 05, 2017, 10:54:56 PM
Quote from: gazberg on November 05, 2017, 10:48:04 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/05/tony-pulis-unforgiving-west-brom-fans-have-short-memories/

Poor Tone. Victim of his own success apparently.

He did well with an awful team when he first came in but since then he's been the most heavily backed manager we've ever had, and failed to do a better job than either Hodgson or Clarke managed.

If he were to be moved on now he would leave us in the same kind of position RDM, Clarke, Irvine etc did - that is hovering round relegation with the next win seemingly a long way away under current management. Certainly none of his seasons here will be remembered much in 10 years time. Perhaps he'll expand on how exactly that has advanced the club so greatly, or indeed how he's managed to make the club worse after spending so much in the summer.

Not to mention his embarrassing record in the cups where our continuous struggles with lower league sides, despite often playing strong sides says it all about the technical level he's left the squad at.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on November 05, 2017, 10:56:51 PM
He was the right man for the job at the time when appointed but he should have been dismissed at the end of last season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 11:01:06 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:35:20 PM
His track record is relevant as it's evidence of Pulis being able to keep teams in this league. The end of last season was the case of a team playing for nothing against teams needing the points. Happens with other teams too.
the team should always have something to play for, its an insult to fans to do otherwise.
truth is in last 8 matches last season we had as much to play for as the opposition, we lost at home to Southampton who ended finishing above us, we lost to Chelsea and man city who had already won the title and guaranteed a champions league spot so didn't need the points. we lost to Swansea last game who were already safe, we couldn't beat Burnley, Watford or Leicester who were all well below us in the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 05, 2017, 11:01:30 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 10:51:15 PM
Glad I'm in your head so much you have time to look at my old posts. Thanks.  :-*
You've avoided the point being made like a politician. Did you post something along the lines of ‘his football doesn’t belong in the Prem’ about Pulis when he was at Stoke? His approach with us has been absolutely the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 11:02:04 PM
Quote from: Dan on November 05, 2017, 10:46:44 PM
Our poor form, and complete inability to create from open play long predate Kemp leaving.

Really the biggest issue Pulis is having is we've not been anywhere near as potent on set pieces this season as he's usually reliant on.

Brunt and Phillips need to be back in the team. We always look better with Morrison in too. He has poor games but we do miss him when he doesn't play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 05, 2017, 11:03:08 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 11:01:06 PM
the team should always have something to play for, its an insult to fans to do otherwise.
There's also quite a lot of money to play for as well. Not a huge amount in the grand scheme of things, but certainly not insignificant either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 05, 2017, 11:04:12 PM
I think he is trying to work a pay off here some of his comments are almost designed provoke fans.

As he bought up "last season" I think it is fair to point out he now has one of the worst 20 plus game records that any Albion Manager has had in the Premier League.

My expectations have seldom been lower.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 05, 2017, 11:05:51 PM
"What happens is when you’re at a football club, and I’ve been here nearly three years now, you take the club up and take it up and take it onwards and onwards," he said.

League position when he was appointed: 15th
League position today: 16th

There may well be better players than when you came to the club, Tone. So why are we doing worse? Yes, the season before he arrived we finished 17th, but the season before that we finished 8th. I don't think the fans have unreasonable expectations, he's just clueless as to how to organise a team that people expect to score goals from open play. Heck, that ever even look like they might score from open play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on November 05, 2017, 11:06:33 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 11:02:04 PM
Brunt and Phillips need to be back in the team. We always look better with Morrison in too. He has poor games but we do miss him when he doesn't play.

We seem to miss him when he does play too!

Only difference between this and last season in my opinion is we haven't had Brunt and Phillips taking decent corners with gmac/Dawson getting on the end of them. Style is exactly the same, just got papered over last season by picking up results
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on November 05, 2017, 11:06:57 PM
Quote from: gazberg on November 05, 2017, 10:48:04 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/05/tony-pulis-unforgiving-west-brom-fans-have-short-memories/

Poor Tone. Victim of his own success apparently.

I can't stand him. What success? In his 100+ matches I can honestly say that I have enjoyed watching less than 10 of them (off the top of my head I can think of 4 that were worth wasting my Saturday afternoon for), I've only bothered going to 1 and maintain that I won't be going back until he's gone. I can put up with the football to an extent when we win, even so we'd have to be consistently challenging for Europe to make it worth watching.

When he's gone, I can honestly say that his tenure will go down as my worst time supporting this club and the worst brand of 'football' that I have witnessed anywhere in the world and at any level. On Saturday, in those additional minutes when we had our only chances of the game I was torn between whether I wanted my team to score for the first time in my life. I'll be enjoying yet another international break as I won't have to suffer his poisonous approach to the sport for another 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on November 05, 2017, 10:53:32 PM
The Baggies boss was bombarded with chants from the away end on Saturday calling for him to be sacked.

Those toxic scenes came during a 1-0 defeat to ten-man Huddersfield Town that left Pulis without a win in 10 games in all competitions.

But Pulis, who is nearing three years in the job, hit back at the fans with the suggestion they had short memories.

"What happens is when you’re at a football club, and I’ve been here nearly three years now, you take the club up and take it up and take it onwards and onwards," he said.

"You have a look at the players I took over and the players we’ve brought to this football club. Compare them to the players we’ve got now.

"So the expectation levels go right through the roof.

"We finished in the top ten last year, we’ve brought some good players in and everybody was talking about us finishing in the top eight. That's the expectation.

"That’s the job that you’ve done to make expectations the way they are and that’s what people forget, the job you’ve done.

"That’s soon forgotten if you go on a bad run. And supporters are unforgiving, that’s not just at this football club it’s at every football club.

"But my record at the club, you have a look at the players we’ve brought in, have a look at the quality, have a look at the fact we’ve made money every year I’ve been at this football club.

"We’ve had a changeover of chairmanship, all this is going on and this club has steadily progressed."

Pulis rescued the club from relegation in 2015 before guiding them to safety a season later and a top-half finish last time out.

But the Albion faithful have lost patience with his cautious approach during a run of two wins in 20 league games spanning two seasons.

Although Pulis suggested fans reminded themselves of what he'd done at the club, he also admitted it was results-driven business.

"Supporters go off games," he said. "There’s never a thought of what happened before, it’s all about today. It’s not about yesterday.

"Irrespective of what I’ve done previously and how the club is they look at the results you’ve had over a short period of time and I understand that.

"I’ve been in the game a long time, it’s all about results


Just talks in circles he does
so why is the football so shyte after all these great players you've bought to the club?
he makes it sound as if he's took us to a level far beyond our capability.
the club makes money because of tv rights you dipstick, if its sole income was from paying customers we would be filling for bankruptcy soon.t
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 11:17:00 PM
Me & Legend may always disagree but here goes.

When your a mid table Premier League club like we have been for the past few seasons, there's two things that you wanna see and that's entertaining attacking football and cup runs as finishing any higher in the league than 8th is very difficult.

Surely Legend agrees with that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 11:18:06 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 05, 2017, 11:03:08 PM
There's also quite a lot of money to play for as well. Not a huge amount in the grand scheme of things, but certainly not insignificant either.
think the last day of the season cost us £4.2m, I wouldn't turn me nose up at it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 11:21:44 PM
Quote from: Standaman on November 05, 2017, 11:04:12 PM
I think he is trying to work a pay off here some of his comments are almost designed provoke fans.

As he bought up "last season" I think it is fair to point out he now has one of the worst 20 plus game records that any Albion Manager has had in the Premier League.

My expectations have seldom been lower.
definitely starting to look that way, walk away with a payout and the never been relegated tag still intact. stinks that he could be compensated for displaying the most boring football possible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 05, 2017, 11:24:16 PM
In fairness to Pulis - the club is in much better position now than it was three years ago. He's done what he needed to, but now its time to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 05, 2017, 11:29:10 PM
Mr.Pulis seems to forget that he's not responsible for everything at our club e.g.since I've been here we've made a profit every year.
Correct,but you are only the first team coach you cannot claim that point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 11:29:57 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 11:17:00 PM
Me & Legend may always disagree but here goes.

When your a mid table Premier League club like we have been for the past few seasons, there's two things that you wanna see and that's entertaining attacking football and cup runs as finishing any higher in the league than 8th is very difficult.

Surely Legend agrees with that?

Why wouldn't I? That is what all Albion fans want.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 11:30:57 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 05, 2017, 11:01:30 PM
You've avoided the point being made like a politician. Did you post something along the lines of ‘his football doesn’t belong in the Prem’ about Pulis when he was at Stoke? His approach with us has been absolutely the same.

I don't remember but if ashdoy said I did then I must have. It's not relevant though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 11:33:53 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 11:29:57 PM
Why wouldn't I? That is what all Albion fans want.

Finally something we agree on.

Getting rid and appointing someone like that would see my enthusiasm for next season go because we'd just be one of them teams that plays negative football just to get to 40 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: andibaggy on November 05, 2017, 11:35:46 PM
I try to only referral to here when things are bad. And things are bad.

I have a sickly feeling Pulis will be here at Christmas.

Listening to the radio whilst I travelled over the weekend, Talksport (Dean saunders particaually bur I know Ade Durham things the same) were saying ‘What do WBA fans expect, they only need 10 wins a season plus their drawers, they should be used to losing.

Nothing based on our form and our boring, gutless football.

I fear for us this season but at the moment I’d be happy with a clean slate in the championship than this tripe week in week out.

At the moment, the teams below us have enough attacking flair to win more than us.

I hope I’m wrong but this year we leave and if it is with this bloke in charge I’ll be happy as it will tarnish his Pulis reputation.

We hated him then, we hate him now.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 11:38:52 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 11:33:53 PM
Finally something we agree on.

Getting rid and appointing someone like that would see my enthusiasm for next season go because we'd just be one of them teams that plays negative football just to get to 40 points.

Cant say too much for reasons you know;

But i can say this.

I would very much like Pulis to be given the Albion job
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 11:42:11 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 05, 2017, 11:38:52 PM
Cant say too much for reasons you know;

But i can say this.

I would very much like Pulis to be given the Albion job

Nobody better when you’re in the bottom 3 at Xmas with limited ability; i’ll Happily admit that.

That post was also trying to show everybody I knew Pulis was to be offered the Albion job 48hours before it actually happened, hence why the final words were italic.

If you jump through your posts, you’ll see you loved Mel (so I’m not sure why you now call him a shambles) and you hate Pulis.

You also didn’t want us to “Getting rid of Mel and appointing someone like Hughton or Mackay would see my enthusiasm for next season go because we'd just be one of them teams that plays negative football just to get to 40 points.”
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2017, 11:46:11 PM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 11:42:11 PM
Nobody better when you’re in the bottom 3 at Xmas with limited ability; i’ll Happily admit that.

That post was also trying to show everybody I knew Pulis was to be offered the Albion job 48hours before it actually happened, hence why the final words were italic.

If you jump through your posts, you’ll see you loved Mel (so I’m not sure why you now call him a shambles) and you hate Pulis.

You also didn’t want us to “Getting rid of Mel and appointing someone like Hughton or Mackay would see my enthusiasm for next season go because we'd just be one of them teams that plays negative football just to get to 40 points.”

I loved the idea of him before the truth came out. A wolf in sheeps clothing.

Just like you loved Pulis and now hate him. Opinions change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 11:48:14 PM
Back to the thread, we can PM our disagreement about anything else if we wish.

Why do you now accept being a “because we'd just be one of them teams that plays negative football just to get to 40 points.” team?

Pulis’ style isn’t exactly exciting, so I’m genuinely curious as to why your opinion has changed so much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: andibaggy on November 05, 2017, 11:54:41 PM
In any other job you’d be on a PIP if you were underperforming like Pulis.

Reading the directive of the bloke in charge Pulis will get the same support in house as he is in the media, going to be a tough winter.

 :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Beefy on November 05, 2017, 11:59:13 PM
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Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 06, 2017, 12:00:26 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 05, 2017, 11:48:14 PM
Back to the thread, we can PM our disagreement about anything else if we wish.

Why do you now accept being a “because we'd just be one of them teams that plays negative football just to get to 40 points.” team?

Pulis’ style isn’t exactly exciting, so I’m genuinely curious as to why your opinion has changed so much.

The situation has changed. Back then Hodgson had established us, Clarke pushed us to 8th playing good football mostly. The club lost it's way. Pulis took over a poor squad, kept us up and made us competitive again. I've never said it excites me, It's just what I believe is needed for now. Williams first phone call if Pulis went would probably be Big Sam, his second Pardew. I pick Pulis over both.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 06, 2017, 12:02:02 AM
Quote from: andibaggy on November 05, 2017, 11:54:41 PM
In any other job you’d be on a PIP if you were underperforming like Pulis.

Reading the directive of the bloke in charge Pulis will get the same support in house as he is in the media, going to be a tough winter.

 :o

It's shameful the way it's handled by the local media. National media is one thing, they don't watch every game. But the local journos do, they're far more in tune with the feelings of the fan base. And yet both of the major local newspapers run articles completely antithetical to the vast majority of the fans. The only plausible explanation is that they're afraid to run stories the club won't like in case they get cut off. If they won't do that, what's the point of them being there at all?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 06, 2017, 12:05:11 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 12:00:26 AM
The situation has changed. Back then Hodgson had established us, Clarke pushed us to 8th playing good football mostly. The club lost it's way. Pulis took over a poor squad, kept us up and made us competitive again. I've never said it excites me, It's just what I believe is needed for now. Williams first phone call if Pulis went would probably be Big Sam, his second Pardew. I pick Pulis over both.

That doesn’t make sense though pal; you heavily backed Mel and now despise him but you also state Irvine was doing a good job and shouldn’t have been sacked.

Either way it doesn’t quite add up as to why your opinion on what you want from Albion  has changed so dramatically.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 06, 2017, 12:13:41 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 06, 2017, 12:05:11 AM
That doesn’t make sense though pal; you heavily backed Mel and now despise him but you also state Irvine was doing a good job and shouldn’t have been sacked.

Either way it doesn’t quite add up as to why your opinion on what you want from Albion  has changed so dramatically.

What doesn't make sense? I backed Mel like I back every Albion manager. The truth came out about him, I even posted on the day he left "Sad to see Mel leave but I think it might be for the best". Useless manager. You are going in circles lad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 06, 2017, 12:14:50 AM
Is it relevant that we have the second oldest coach in the premier league who is so defensive and 5th from bottom and the oldest coach is an attacking one and is 5th from top?
Pulis and Wenger.
Just saying.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 06, 2017, 12:21:47 AM
Let’s just hope we wake up to some Breaking News....

Here’s hoping.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 06, 2017, 07:29:38 AM
Quote from: andibaggy on November 05, 2017, 11:35:46 PM
I try to only referral to here when things are bad. And things are bad.

I have a sickly feeling Pulis will be here at Christmas.

Listening to the radio whilst I travelled over the weekend, Talksport (Dean saunders particaually bur I know Ade Durham things the same) were saying ‘What do WBA fans expect, they only need 10 wins a season plus their drawers, they should be used to losing.

Nothing based on our form and our boring, gutless football.

I fear for us this season but at the moment I’d be happy with a clean slate in the championship than this tripe week in week out.

At the moment, the teams below us have enough attacking flair to win more than us.

I hope I’m wrong but this year we leave and if it is with this bloke in charge I’ll be happy as it will tarnish his Pulis reputation.

We hated him then, we hate him now.

What have our knickers got to do with anything?  It's draws you get points for, not underpants.... ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mig on November 06, 2017, 07:30:58 AM
Every week he seems to say something like: "You can't fault the effort of the players, but we just needed that little bit more quality in the final third."

Now for me this is nothing more than a deflection tactic, because given his style we barely have the ball in the oppo's final third anyway, but say it were true:

Chadli on the bench.
Brunt on the bench.
Burke on the bench.
Phillips on the bench.
Leko loaned out.

What do you expect, Tony, when you don't play any of your most creative players?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 06, 2017, 07:39:32 AM
As long as the lads work harrrdddddddddddd then he isnt bothered.
He did a great job when he came in, but its time to say goodbye.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on November 06, 2017, 07:45:40 AM
Him coming out and saying he should be judged on what he's done in the past & hows he's improved the team is even more reason to sack him. We're currently on a worse run of form than any of the previous managers and in a worse league position than when he took over and he has managed to do this with a better squad of players than we had 3 or 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 07:56:18 AM
like vultures the lot of ya, wanted something extra with the tea and toast did we. if nothing happens today I think he's safe for a while. :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 06, 2017, 08:07:50 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/05/west-brom-board-not-planning-to-sack-tony-pulis-over-international-break/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 08:08:51 AM
at least its getting some local media attention.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/909471665?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on November 06, 2017, 09:33:44 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 07:56:18 AM
like vultures the lot of ya, wanted something extra with the tea and toast did we. if nothing happens today I think he's safe for a while. :'(
Yes we did want something extra. I cannot believe anyone wants this to continue. His head on a stick at the front of the brummie would do me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 06, 2017, 09:39:45 AM
One small note of congratulation to Pulis;  Albion are now one goal ahead of Hull in terms of Premier League goals scored in 2017!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 06, 2017, 09:41:00 AM
The hatred towards Pulis on this site and elsewhere is quite intense now but for those of you that attend games what is the general feeling among fans in the stadium that don't post on forums. Are they equally incensed?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on November 06, 2017, 09:51:58 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 11:13:20 PM
so why is the football so shyte after all these great players you've bought to the club?
he makes it sound as if he's took us to a level far beyond our capability.
the club makes money because of tv rights you dipstick, if its sole income was from paying customers we would be filling for bankruptcy soon.t
Very good points - love the bankruptcy bit!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 06, 2017, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 06, 2017, 08:07:50 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/05/west-brom-board-not-planning-to-sack-tony-pulis-over-international-break/
Arrogant, cowardly, disrespectful little nerk.
Talks about fans as if we have no clue, yet none of what he says is true!

We are not better off, we are 1 place worse off.
Our expectations have not gone up. We fully accept that 8th is our ceiling at present, but 10th-17th is realistic.
The fact that we have made a profit is not down to him.

He NEVER mentions style of play. I wouldn't mind if he had the strength of his conviction to actually try and justify the pooh he serves up but he doesn't, because he can't.

That's it, I'm out, I can't go again until he's gone. I sit too close to the dugout!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 06, 2017, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: mikehy on November 06, 2017, 09:33:44 AM
Yes we did want something extra. I cannot believe anyone wants this to continue. His head on a stick at the front of the brummie would do me.

A bit harsh, tail lights heading towards the M5 will do for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 06, 2017, 10:01:07 AM
Ah rats he's still here then.

Now done with games/streams/highlights until he goes.

No point choosing to be bored and frustrated when I can do something enjoyable
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 06, 2017, 10:17:43 AM
If he's not gone today then in all likelihood we're not going to ditch him until at least the next dismal result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 06, 2017, 10:22:31 AM
I think anyone that thinks Pullis will go today or within the next 2 weeks is deluded. He is safe until at least Christmas, John Williams does not panic, he was at Blackburn for quite a while and had Big Sam playing dire football under him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 06, 2017, 10:27:17 AM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 06, 2017, 10:22:31 AM
I think anyone that thinks Pullis will go today or within the next 2 weeks is deluded. He is safe until at least Christmas, John Williams does not panic, he was at Blackburn for quite a while and had Big Sam playing dire football under him.

I wish you were wrong in this but unfortunately I think we have him to Christmas.

I think we might get to 13 points by the end of the year playing as we are. Merry Xmas everyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba1993dave on November 06, 2017, 10:43:03 AM
Honnestly baffled that he still remains Head Coach. My only hope is that they are sounding out replacements before making a decision. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on November 06, 2017, 10:43:25 AM
There's always been two sides to the Pulis arguments - results versus style

Whilst the results were acceptable some would always have (justifiable) reasons to back him. However it's now at the point where even if you remove the style of play completely from the equation it's near impossible to produce any valid reasons for him being allowed to continue. The only possible one is that he's not been relegated before which whilst not completely without merit is pretty flimsy.

Some stats that have nothing to do with the style

West Brom are no longer difficult to beat, for they have won only three of their last 23 league matches. West Brom are no longer defensively solid, because they have conceded in each of their last seven matches. West Brom are no longer resilient, because they have taken one point from losing positions since February. West Brom are no longer tough to break down, because in that same time period they have ceded 11 points from winning positions. West Brom are no longer effective at frustrating their opponents, because Sunderland have more away Premier League wins in 2017.

Some want to dismiss last seasons run in completely which it's becoming harder to do each week. A poor run of 6 games which leaves us near the bottom is excusable but this is not a blip and shows no signs of ending. Pretty much any other manager in this position would be sacked by now but ironically in many ways the worse we get the more secure Pulis gets in his job until it's becomes completely untenable (a point which we can only be 4 games away from if we dont pick up an absolute minimum 3 points in those games)

I don't think we will go down because...

We dont have one of the 3 worst starting 11's in the league
We dont have one of the 3 worst squads in the league
We dont have one of the 3 worst managers in the league when it's comes to pure survival (although Pulis is possibly the only manager I know who consistently produces worse results the better the player he has at hi disposal)

We also have a safety net in that even if we are in big trouble despite the above then at some point Pulis will have to go and a new manager could comfortably keep this team up as long as they performed semi competently and the points gap wasn't to big.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 06, 2017, 10:54:30 AM
Quote from: Astle1968 on November 06, 2017, 10:43:25 AM
I don't think we will go down because...

We dont have one of the 3 worst starting 11's in the league
We dont have one of the 3 worst squads in the league
We dont have one of the 3 worst managers in the league when it's comes to pure survival (although Pulis is possibly the only manager I know who consistently produces worse results the better the player he has at hi disposal)

We also have a safety net in that even if we are in big trouble despite the above then at some point Pulis will have to go and a new manager could comfortably keep this team up as long as they performed semi competently and the points gap wasn't to big.

'This is West Brom's lowest points tally after 11 games of a Premier League season (10) since 2005-06 (eight) - when they were relegated' - BBC

Only the Beeb who I don't rate, but since we're talking stats.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mini gaardsoe on November 06, 2017, 10:58:41 AM
West Ham have reacted and sacked Bilic with Moyes coming in by the look of it.

Wonder how much further we need to fall before we act!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 06, 2017, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: mini gaardsoe on November 06, 2017, 10:58:41 AM
West Ham have reacted and sacked Bilic with Moyes coming in by the look of it.

Wonder how much further we need to fall before we act!

If we had sacked Pulis and replaced him with Moyes I would have been mortified.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 06, 2017, 11:20:07 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on November 06, 2017, 09:41:00 AM
The hatred towards Pulis on this site and elsewhere is quite intense now but for those of you that attend games what is the general feeling among fans in the stadium that don't post on forums. Are they equally incensed?

IMO - Concerned? yes Incensed - probably not

Most of the fans aren't purists, & they'll put up with the style provided that's linked with positive results.

Again IMO, it's the results that's turning the fans.

I have to agree, it doesn't make sense, to keep Pulis on for much longer if the losing trend continues. On the other hand, people like John Williams don't become appointed chairmen of football clubs, by being stupid, so you'd have to assume there are other factors we don't know about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 06, 2017, 11:27:18 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on November 06, 2017, 09:41:00 AM
The hatred towards Pulis on this site and elsewhere is quite intense now but for those of you that attend games what is the general feeling among fans in the stadium that don't post on forums. Are they equally incensed?

Saturday was a turning point because he got pelters from what at least more than half of the away end.

When you hit those levels then its hard to turn it around.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DaveWBA on November 06, 2017, 11:37:20 AM
As much as I dislike Pulis I find myself increasingly subscribed to Jacko's theory.

There is no way we will get the type of manager we are after given our chairman's track record of appointment reliable English plodders.

To sack Pulis and appoint a Moyes or an Allardyce only makes our situation worse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 06, 2017, 11:37:43 AM
If its only a matter of time then I hope the Board act quickly. We will not get anything from Chelsea or Tottenham regardless of who is in charge, so we may as well use the International break to our advantage.

TP has done his job but now its time to move on before its too late
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on November 06, 2017, 11:38:09 AM
Sadly i dont think nowadays what fans think really matters that much.

The club no longer rely on our funds, as long as they are in the premier league they are guarenteed best part of £200m, a few extra million for each higher place finish but i would imagine all budgeting is done on the minimum amount.

I dont imagine Williams really cares if there is 25 people sat in the ground to an extent, or if there are 25k all booing and singing anti Pulis songs, all he cares about is that each season we will be 17th or above.

The only time he will react is if we actually slip into the bottom 3, thats why i expect Pulis to have at least until xmas, for all the rubbish we are serving up, at this point in time, Pulis can say to Williams, well we arent in the bottom 3, i dont like it but thats the way it is.

Williams is paid to run the business, he doest have the emotions of us fans, in some ways thats good, others its bad.

The only way i can Williams sacking Pulis is if we do go into the bottom 3 (quite feasible with our next two games) and then we are still there after Newcastle and Palace, neither of which are bankers because both Benitez and Hodgson are very organised experienced coaches, we dont create many chances and they dont concede many chances (seeing Palace yesterday and after another month with Roy i expect them to be on the up)

The only other way i think which i have said previous is if Mr Lai gets word and starts to look at us as a 'brand', ie - if we have a half empty ground due to poor football and bad results over here, i cannot imagine the far east market getting too excited about is over there, we have a real chance to make some inroads on the far east market at what stage Mr Lai thinks we are not doing enough we will see, if he does at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on November 06, 2017, 11:51:32 AM
It's ok TP saying the players work hard, but it's not good enough from his position. I could run around and work extremely hard for £40k per week, but it wouldn't be good enough. If it's not ok for a player, why is it ok for a manager to be inept?

One of my favourite managers has just become available...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on November 06, 2017, 11:59:08 AM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on November 05, 2017, 11:24:16 PM
In fairness to Pulis - the club is in much better position now than it was three years ago. He's done what he needed to, but now its time to go.

This is how I feel

Absolutely the right man for the job but we were in a position where we didnt need a firefighter anymore during the summer

He is absolutely the best guy at coming into a club thats in disarray and changing things up, but we moved past that, yes the position were in now requires a Pulis-esque appointment but its him that has caused the issue here and im not sure he can turn this around
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on November 06, 2017, 12:06:50 PM
Quote from: DaveWBA on November 06, 2017, 11:37:20 AM
As much as I dislike Pulis I find myself increasingly subscribed to Jacko's theory.

There is no way we will get the type of manager we are after given our chairman's track record of appointment reliable English plodders.

To sack Pulis and appoint a Moyes or an Allardyce only makes our situation worse.

I wouldn't be happy if Pulis went only to see Moyes or Allerdyce in as the replacement, but I'm failing to see how it would make the situation worse?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DaveWBA on November 06, 2017, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on November 06, 2017, 12:06:50 PM
I wouldn't be happy if Pulis went only to see Moyes or Allerdyce in as the replacement, but I'm failing to see how it would make the situation worse?

How does it make it better? A change for the better I understand, appointing a carbon-copy just because we're all at the end of our tether with Pulis is pointless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bigcyrille on November 06, 2017, 12:13:47 PM
The Chinese will be there for Chelsea. Assuming we lose that, he'll be gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 12:14:51 PM
it can get worse than this :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 06, 2017, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on November 06, 2017, 11:38:09 AM


The only other way i think which i have said previous is if Mr Lai gets word and starts to look at us as a 'brand', ie - if we have a half empty ground due to poor football and bad results over here, i cannot imagine the far east market getting too excited about is over there, we have a real chance to make some inroads on the far east market at what stage Mr Lai thinks we are not doing enough we will see, if he does at all.

He's already looking at us as a brand, the Palm logo is all over the Hawthorns & the training ground is now also Palm branded.

I agree with you, longer term, he will want to change the image of WBAFC from workmanlike to more exciting, but, IMO we're a "work in progress", & any future investments will be governed by the success of the eco town project.
I would love to see a more progressive Head Coach at WBA, but at the moment, I could only see us replacing like for like.
I could only see Pulis going, if we look in danger of relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on November 06, 2017, 12:42:22 PM
Quote from: DaveWBA on November 06, 2017, 12:10:44 PM
How does it make it better? A change for the better I understand, appointing a carbon-copy just because we're all at the end of our tether with Pulis is pointless.

3 wins and 14 points in 19 games
3 clean sheets in that time conceding 27 goals
Failed to score in 9 games in that time and only scored 14 goals in total

So over a season that's 6 wins, 28 points and 28 goals scored. Still fail to see how we can get worse than nailed on relegation form whilst playing the least attractive football in the league.

I completely agree Allerdyce and Moyes would be poor appointment and I really really don't want either of them, but I still don't see how either would make us worse, especially Allerdyce who I detest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 06, 2017, 12:45:21 PM
Hes totally killed my enthusiasum, i cant be arsed anymore and i aint bothered if we go down
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DaveWBA on November 06, 2017, 12:51:34 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on November 06, 2017, 12:42:22 PM
3 wins and 14 points in 19 games
3 clean sheets in that time conceding 27 goals
Failed to score in 9 games in that time and only scored 14 goals in total

So over a season that's 6 wins, 28 points and 28 goals scored. Still fail to see how we can get worse than nailed on relegation form whilst playing the least attractive football in the league.

I completely agree Allerdyce and Moyes would be poor appointment and I really really don't want either of them, but I still don't see how either would make us worse, especially Allerdyce who I detest.

It's hard to argue how they would make the football more enjoyable, and a Moyes or an Allardyce is what we would get if Williams' previous appointments are anything to go by.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 06, 2017, 12:55:29 PM
I believe Lai will act if he believes his investment is threatened.
How will he judge this,
a) with his own eyes, he will be competent to analyse the stats very quickly (as a business man he will be all over them at all times)
b) with what he sees / hears at the ground
c) with input from "his man" who should be Williams, will Williams advocate caution and potentially jeopardise his own position? Lets remember Williams is in his late 70's and I doubt that he would walk into another lucrative contract if he messes up here, (Should he need to at 79? is another question)
d) by discussing with TP what is happening and what the solutions are,. If Mr Lai has half the nous the fans have he will see through most of TP's poorly constructed arguments

I cannot see it going to Xmas TBH

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maximus on November 06, 2017, 12:57:12 PM
Shocking 2017 results overall, I'm one of those that is fine with 17th because from 7th downwards the premier league is anyone's guess, We have finished 8th, 10th etc and we'll never be top 7 so it's a mere case of just existing in the league.

Which is fine, But when the team you support never have the ball, Never score, And don't entertain, You give it so much time before you have enough of watching it. I am now at that level, So as much as relegation would be painful, I'm now at the stage where i'm not really bothered as the so called premier league football we watch from our team, Isn't exactly the pinnacle of football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on November 06, 2017, 01:27:12 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 06, 2017, 12:27:02 PM
He's already looking at us as a brand, the Palm logo is all over the Hawthorns & the training ground is now also Palm branded.

I agree with you, longer term, he will want to change the image of WBAFC from workmanlike to more exciting, but, IMO we're a "work in progress", & any future investments will be governed by the success of the eco town project.
I would love to see a more progressive Head Coach at WBA, but at the moment, I could only see us replacing like for like.
I could only see Pulis going, if we look in danger of relegation.
We look seriously in danger of relegation !! As a journalist on the Supplement said yesterday the problem with Pulisball is fans will accept it when/ if it is producing wins but once it stops winning there is nothing there, no points and no enjoyment for fans or players
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 06, 2017, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 06, 2017, 12:55:29 PM
I believe Lai will act if he believes his investment is threatened.
How will he judge this,
a) with his own eyes, he will be competent to analyse the stats very quickly (as a business man he will be all over them at all times)
b) with what he sees / hears at the ground
c) with input from "his man" who should be Williams, will Williams advocate caution and potentially jeopardise his own position? Lets remember Williams is in his late 70's and I doubt that he would walk into another lucrative contract if he messes up here, (Should he need to at 79? is another question)
d) by discussing with TP what is happening and what the solutions are,. If Mr Lai has half the nous the fans have he will see through most of TP's poorly constructed arguments

I cannot see it going to Xmas TBH

I could certainly see the "powers that be" discussing the situation over the International break. If I recall, G Lai already has two of his countrymen on the board anyway.
There are any number of coaches available to replace Pulis, but a) Could we afford them? & b) would they be prepared to work with a DoF?.
With the status quo, it appears that all we could afford would be a direct replacement for Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 06, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
Quote from: hardtobeat on November 06, 2017, 01:27:12 PM
We look seriously in danger of relegation !! As a journalist on the Supplement said yesterday the problem with Pulisball is fans will accept it when/ if it is producing wins but once it stops winning there is nothing there, no points and no enjoyment for fans or players

Trends would suggest we are heading for relegation, but there are 27 games to go to pull things around, so I don't think, at this moment, we look seriously in danger of relegation.

On the other hand, & in my opinion, I agree with the journalist you quoted, fans will support Pulis if he's getting results. If he's not they'll turn against him. In exactly the same way they turned against Mowbray for example.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on November 06, 2017, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 06, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
Trends would suggest we are heading for relegation, but there are 27 games to go to pull things around, so I don't think, at this moment, we look seriously in danger of relegation.

On the other hand, & in my opinion, I agree with the journalist you quoted, fans will support Pulis if he's getting results. If he's not they'll turn against him. In exactly the same way they turned against Mowbray for example.

I don't remember the fans turning against Mowbray. He was pretty clueless tactically but people were far more forgiving of him. As for Pulis, people will accept, albeit grudgingly, the style of play as long as it gets us results. So now we're on a bad run it is not surprising the knives are out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 06, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
Quote from: Black Country Pride on November 06, 2017, 02:07:03 PM
I don't remember the fans turning against Mowbray.
I don't recall them turning against Mowbray whilst he was at the club either. Neither did they turn against Pepe Mel. It suggests that the average Albion fan does want to see a side on the pitch that's attempting to play entertaining football and that they don't regard it as just being about results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 06, 2017, 02:20:35 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 06, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
Trends would suggest we are heading for relegation, but there are 27 games to go to pull things around, so I don't think, at this moment, we look seriously in danger of relegation.

On the other hand, & in my opinion, I agree with the journalist you quoted, fans will support Pulis if he's getting results. If he's not they'll turn against him. In exactly the same way they turned against Mowbray for example.

Really? If something doesn't change soon then that is exactly what is going to happen. We are not 'too good to be relegated' and our form at present is bang on for the bottom 3. Recently been turned over by a poor Southampton and a promoted team.

If he 'gets lucky' again then happy days, but what if he doesn't?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 06, 2017, 02:25:24 PM
Geezer outside the astle gates carrying a pulis out sign
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 06, 2017, 02:34:08 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 06, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
I don't recall them turning against Mowbray whilst he was at the club either. Neither did they turn against Pepe Mel. It suggests that the average Albion fan does want to see a side on the pitch that's attempting to play entertaining football and that they don't regard it as just being about results.

Think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

The fans did turn against Mowbray when he wasn't getting results & I was one of the few hundred that stayed in the ground to support Pepe Mel on the final day of the season, when thousands turned again him

I think you'll find that we attract bigger crowds when we're winning than when we're losing, with whatever process that's achieved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: colinmax on November 06, 2017, 02:41:57 PM
Tony Pullis would always say he knows more than the fans but sometimes miss the obvious?
Last season many of us questioned his regular playing of Gardner  when he didn't seem the best option.
Nine months after his transfer to Blues he can not get in their team even though they are a division lower.Have we fans been vindicated?
This season he keeps playing Livermore when many fans think Yacob would be a better defensive option and he offers little creativity or goal threat.
For manager what about Dean Smith?He left Walsall at or near top of the division his Brentford side recently out played the Villa beat Preston away and Leeds despite having had to sell several of his best players including Hogan and Jota.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 06, 2017, 02:48:25 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 06, 2017, 02:20:35 PM
Really? If something doesn't change soon then that is exactly what is going to happen. We are not 'too good to be relegated' and our form at present is bang on for the bottom 3. Recently been turned over by a poor Southampton and a promoted team.

If he 'gets lucky' again then happy days, but what if he doesn't?

I'm not sure I said we are too good to be relegated.

What I did say was, we have time to turn things around.

I would love a more progressive coach than Pulis, but from a "Board" point of view, better with minimal risk, involves additional cost, & the possibilty of a change in structure. I'm not sure mid season is the right time to do that.

As I said earlier, in response to Albionic, I think the board will use the International break to take stock & analyse the risks involved.

I imagine playing style would be pretty low in the criteria list for retaining or releasing Pulis, but results will almost undoubtedly be on top, & we might see him gone yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 06, 2017, 03:03:17 PM
I honestly think, short term, anyone could do better than Pulis is doing, as he is doing nothing at all to address the issues within the side.
I don't know any fan, either in real life or on this forum, who would:

Play 3 defensive midfielders.
Make the wide players highest priority protecting the full back
Not play at least one of Phillips, Brunt, Chadli, McLean or Burke

It's not rocket science, he is just too much of a coward to take a risk. His answer to rubbish defending is to defend even more, it is pisspotical!
I asked last week if people would give him some slack if they saw some of the above changes, but it was folly, because he just won't, not now, not ever, and that is why he has to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 06, 2017, 03:17:29 PM
There are still posters suggesting replacements for Pulis despite it being against forum rules. Posts have been and will continue to be removed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 03:19:54 PM
give him until the end of the transfer window so he can get a few more wingers in, you never know he might play one of them one day.
shopping list.

2 wingers
2 DM
1 RB
2 strikers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:22:11 PM
He will be given until the Christmas period to turn out form around which is fair.

I would also give Pulis the January transfer window and buy a top striker.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 06, 2017, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 03:19:54 PM
give him until the end of the transfer window so he can get a few more wingers in, you never know he might play one of them one day.
shopping list.

2 wingers
2 DM
1 RB
2 strikers

We've got five wingers in the squad already. Not a single one of them has started the last two games. Before we go out buying new players, I'd suggest to him that he maybe try playing the ones we already have. After all, according to him the only thing we're currently lacking is "quality in the final third".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 06, 2017, 03:26:51 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 06, 2017, 03:03:17 PM
I honestly think, short term, anyone could do better than Pulis is doing, as he is doing nothing at all to address the issues within the side.
I don't know any fan, either in real life or on this forum, who would:

Play 3 defensive midfielders.
Make the wide players highest priority protecting the full back
Not play at least one of Phillips, Brunt, Chadli, McLean or Burke

It's not rocket science, he is just too much of a coward to take a risk. His answer to rubbish defending is to defend even more, it is pisspotical!
I asked last week if people would give him some slack if they saw some of the above changes, but it was folly, because he just won't, not now, not ever, and that is why he has to go.

It’s not even about being a coward, it’s being stupid.

Ask any wba fan on here to pick a best 11, and 90% of is will pick the same team, ask Pulis to pick it and it would be totally different.


I’m sorry Pulis but you can’t sit there an moan about lack of quality in final third when all our creative players are on the bench.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 06, 2017, 03:29:03 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:22:11 PM
He will be given until the Christmas period to turn out form around which is fair.

I would also give Pulis the January transfer window and buy a top striker.

The danger with that is that we'll only have something like 13 points at Christmas and have to get double that in the second half of the season to ensure safety; which would be a big challenge to any new manager.

What top striker will be available in January then? I doubt very much he would buy a striker (top or otherwise) he could have got another striker in in the Summer. He'd be more likely to try and buy yet more defenders to tighten things up at the back, if we don't concede we don't lose..isn't that his philosophy?

Also what top striker would want to sign for a Pulis side when we don't create anything for them?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on November 06, 2017, 03:31:14 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:22:11 PM
He will be given until the Christmas period to turn out form around which is fair.

I would also give Pulis the January transfer window and buy a top striker.

Why?

Surely now no matter what happens Pulis is gone in the summer unless we average around 1.5 points a game for the remainder of the season

Why on earth would you give money to Pulis to spend on a player that might not fit the new managers style. If we're in trouble in January the problem is with Pulis not the players at his disposal. He's had more windows and more money than any other manager in our PL history and if he can't manage more than he currently is then giving hi more money is definitely not the asnswer.

He must be the only manager in the history o the game who produces worse results the better quality player he has in his teams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on November 06, 2017, 03:32:09 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:22:11 PM
He will be given until the Christmas period to turn out form around which is fair.

I would also give Pulis the January transfer window and buy a top striker.
Xmas is too late any new man would need as much time as possible pre window to assess needs especially given the length of time it takes us to get deals done hence why now is the ideal time. On top of that it is very difficult to know how or why there will be an upturn in form over the next half a dozen games anyway
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 06, 2017, 03:29:03 PM
The danger with that is that we'll only have something like 13 points at Christmas and have to get double that in the second half of the season to ensure safety; which would be a big challenge to any new manager.

What top striker will be available in January then? I doubt very much he would buy a striker (top or otherwise) he could have got another striker in in the Summer. He'd be more likely to try and buy yet more defenders to tighten things up at the back, if we don't concede we don't lose..isn't that his philosophy?

Also what top striker would want to sign for a Pulis side when we don't create anything for them?

Most won't agree but I think Pulis is too good of a manager to let his run continue. I believe we'll pick up some points over the next few games.

I think he wanted Deeney in the Summer but needed the money from Chadli leaving which obviously didn't happen. With Deeney now playing games for Watford I'm not too sure they would be keen on selling but who knows.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:36:25 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on November 06, 2017, 03:31:14 PM
Why?

Surely now no matter what happens Pulis is gone in the summer unless we average around 1.5 points a game for the remainder of the season

Why on earth would you give money to Pulis to spend on a player that might not fit the new managers style. If we're in trouble in January the problem is with Pulis not the players at his disposal. He's had more windows and more money than any other manager in our PL history and if he can't manage more than he currently is then giving hi more money is definitely not the asnswer.

He must be the only manager in the history o the game who produces worse results the better quality player he has in his teams.

We have two strikers who aren't cut out for this division, Rondon's confidence is also at rock bottom. We badly need a striker. I would look at bringing Shane Long back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on November 06, 2017, 03:37:37 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Most won't agree but I think Pulis is too good of a manager to let his run continue. I believe we'll pick up some points over the next few games.

I think he wanted Deeney in the Summer but needed the money from Chadli leaving which obviously didn't happen. With Deeney now playing games for Watford I'm not too sure they would be keen on selling but who knows.

The fact he wanted Deeney in he first place says everything.

Good article on British managers which the last few paragraphs sum us up perfectly

Steven Gerrard was spouting this cliche in relation to Pulis, as was Jonny Walters on MOTD Extra. It must rank as one of the most patronising mouth noises any pundit can barf, saying as it does, that you should be happy to indefinitely cough up hard-earned money for appalling entertainment on the basis that the manager will keep you in the league and thus subject you to years more of the same fearful dreck.

Trying to argue that the reason to tolerate awful football is that it will allow you to keep seeing awful football, is a laughable illogical circle of mind-in-neutral garbage that would only be spoken in the strange world of football where ill-thought-out nonsense passes as wisdom every day of the week, just because it is said by someone who was once paid to kick a ball around.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:22:11 PM
He will be given until the Christmas period to turn out form around which is fair.

I would also give Pulis the January transfer window and buy a top striker.
this could be fun ;D

jingle bells jingle bells
pulis go away
its one big bore and we never score because we play the pulis way oh
jingle bells jingle bells
the fans all stay away
cant take anymore because its such a chore so pulis be on your way
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:41:03 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 03:38:55 PM
this could be fun ;D

jingle bells jingle bells
pulis go away
its one big bore and we never score because we play the pulis way oh
jingle bells jingle bells
the fans all stay away
cant take anymore because its such a chore so pulis be on your way

Pulis and Megson will be going carol singing at every Albion fans door
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 06, 2017, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 06, 2017, 02:48:25 PM
I'm not sure I said we are too good to be relegated.

What I did say was, we have time to turn things around.

I would love a more progressive coach than Pulis, but from a "Board" point of view, better with minimal risk, involves additional cost, & the possibilty of a change in structure. I'm not sure mid season is the right time to do that.

As I said earlier, in response to Albionic, I think the board will use the International break to take stock & analyse the risks involved.

I imagine playing style would be pretty low in the criteria list for retaining or releasing Pulis, but results will almost undoubtedly be on top, & we might see him gone yet.

I know you didn't say that John, but I think that it is still a view of quite a few, myself included until recently [probably the Southampton game, when I was just plain angry at the end of it].

I agree with the rest of your post though, if we stay as we are then we will be having away days to new grounds next year..... no doubt about it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 06, 2017, 03:45:17 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Most won't agree but I think Pulis is too good of a manager to let his run continue. I believe we'll pick up some points over the next few games.

I think he wanted Deeney in the Summer but needed the money from Chadli leaving which obviously didn't happen. With Deeney now playing games for Watford I'm not too sure they would be keen on selling but who knows.
You keep saying that but you haven't said how.
What do you foresee him doing to stop the slide? At the moment his strategy seems to be to throw even more defenders at it.
Do you think the penny will drop and he will start to play some of our more attacking options, or will our luck just change?
I'm not having a pop, just honestly interested in what you think he is going to do.
I'm not a "Pulis-hater", I've said all along that I couldn't care less who the manager is as long as they give me hope, entertainment and pride. Pulis is delivering none of these and that is what I hate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 06, 2017, 03:46:59 PM
some dont get it do they, he aint ever going to change and he cant be trusted with money. he needs to be replaced asap, hes toast and he should be got rid of now not xmas. hes lost the dressing room and the supporters. i cant believe hes still here. williams your as weak as and you should go too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:41:03 PM
Pulis and Megson will be going carol singing at every Albion fans door
would welcome Megson with a handshake, Pulis would get a Glasgow KISS.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 06, 2017, 03:52:23 PM
there is a certain bizarre logic in better players employed in Pulisball yields worse results.

You wouldn't buy thoroughbreds to plough a field, you would look for big strong buggers who work 'ard.


Sell the thoroughbreds, bring back Gardner and co Tone, you know it makes sense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:54:04 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 06, 2017, 03:45:17 PM
You keep saying that but you haven't said how.
What do you foresee him doing to stop the slide? At the moment his strategy seems to be to throw even more defenders at it.
Do you think the penny will drop and he will start to play some of our more attacking options, or will our luck just change?
I'm not having a pop, just honestly interested in what you think he is going to do.
I'm not a "Pulis-hater", I've said all along that I couldn't care less who the manager is as long as they give me hope, entertainment and pride. Pulis is delivering none of these and that is what I hate.

My thinking is that Pulis believes that keeping a settled side and one that's hard to beat was the way to go with a side low on confidence. I think now he'll be a bit braver and put either McClean or Brunt in the team along with Phillips. We also need Morrison back as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 04:00:12 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:54:04 PM
My thinking is that Pulis believes that keeping a settled side and one that's hard to beat was the way to go with a side low on confidence. I think now he'll be a bit braver and put either McClean or Brunt in the team along with Phillips. We also need Morrison back as quickly as possible.
Legend why do you think he will braver? look at Saturday for instance where he didn't start with a single wide man it was only after they went down to 10 men when Pulis showed a bit of guts. that team should have started what we finished with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 06, 2017, 04:05:59 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:22:11 PM
He will be given until the Christmas period to turn out form around which is fair.

I would also give Pulis the January transfer window and buy a top striker.

clubs rarely sell top strikers in January for obvious reasons. If there is one available, playing 8 defensive players against Huddersfield hardly make us desirable. Remember Spurs fans were gutted when Chadli left. Look how he's being treated
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 06, 2017, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:22:11 PM
I would also give Pulis the January transfer window and buy a top striker.
If you were a 'top striker' would you come to us to play in this system?
To face;
1. Spending all game having balls lobed at your neck from all angles and surrounded by 2 or 3 of their defenders (because of 2 below)
2. Having no supporting player closer than 20 yards away all of whom are fearful of leaving our half of the pitch
3. Being expected to fill in as a utility full back occasionally 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnny Cash on November 06, 2017, 04:08:07 PM
Not sure who will want to come in January if we are cut adrift.

Shame we can't sack Pulis and hire Pulis. Fresh through the door he would probably turn this around.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 06, 2017, 04:08:38 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Most won't agree but I think Pulis is too good of a manager to let his run continue. I believe we'll pick up some points over the next few games.

I think he wanted Deeney in the Summer but needed the money from Chadli leaving which obviously didn't happen. With Deeney now playing games for Watford I'm not too sure they would be keen on selling but who knows.

Pulis isn't too good a manager though is he, 3 wins in what 24 games is not the form of a good manager. Neither is 2 wins in 11 or no wins in 9 since you don't think the end of last season counts.

How are we going to win when we start with 8 defensive players and create very little in the way of chances? He had the chance to turn it around away at Huddersfield on Saturday but put out a very negative team and left 5 attacking/creative players on the bench.

So Troy Deeney is the top striker is he? Watford might well want to sell as he is currently banned for his violent conduct against Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 06, 2017, 04:10:06 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:36:25 PM
Rondon's confidence is also at rock bottom.
Would you care to speculate as to quite why his confidence might be at rock bottom?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 06, 2017, 04:28:02 PM
The thought of selling Chadli to finance buying Deeney, that should tell us everything (head in hands emoji required)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on November 06, 2017, 04:41:03 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:22:11 PM
He will be given until the Christmas period to turn out form around which is fair.

I would also give Pulis the January transfer window and buy a top striker.

A top striker!. That would be great if he got the correct service instead of balls being hoofed up to them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on November 06, 2017, 04:47:03 PM
To make things worse; even his departure (which hasn't really started yet) is totally boring and difficult to watch. I mean, having to check "newsnow" every two or three moments but really knowing there is likely to be no entertainment any time soon. The BBC is focusing on west ham - we're not even first billing with the BBC (and to make it worse Robbie Savage on 606 seems to think we are all nuts for wanting a change) - and seem to be saying that we are just a poor man utd
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 06, 2017, 04:50:25 PM
 For fear of repeating myself,these so called pundits, know nothing of our club,they treat us with contempt. I try not to listen or take notice of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 06, 2017, 05:15:34 PM
Reading through alot of posts on here, I do wonder why so many people seem surprised at the type of football Pulis is serving up. Pulis played exactly the same type of football at Stoke, and Palace (although having the likes of Zaha and Puncheon made it look a bit more entertaining). He could quite easily turn around and say, you knew what was on offer, this is what you ordered. The guy is in his late sixties. He's hardly going to change his views on the game now.
For my part, I loathed watching his Stokies for all their gamesmanship, primitive kick and rush football, and nothings really changed. I thought buying good creative players like Chadli, Phillips, Krychiawok, Burke things might improve, but they haven't. Ironically, Pulis was talking about all the quality he's brought into the club, but most of those players are on the bench. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 06, 2017, 05:23:20 PM
IF and I hope its an IF,
IF TP is still here in the new year, I would expect that a number of transfer requests would have been submitted, it will be the better players wanting to go as well IMO.  I think Williams should be having a discrete chat with some of the senior players and sounding out the TRUE feelings in the dressing room, whilst I hate "player power" we need to galvanise the squad quickly by what ever means possible.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on November 06, 2017, 05:50:26 PM
Quote from: Astle1968 on November 06, 2017, 12:42:22 PM
3 wins and 14 points in 19 games
3 clean sheets in that time conceding 27 goals
Failed to score in 9 games in that time and only scored 14 goals in total

So over a season that's 6 wins, 28 points and 28 goals scored. Still fail to see how we can get worse than nailed on relegation form whilst playing the least attractive football in the league.

I completely agree Allerdyce and Moyes would be poor appointment and I really really don't want either of them, but I still don't see how either would make us worse, especially Allerdyce who I detest.

I'd change that to 'leagues'. I went to a league 2 game a few weeks back and although the talent was obviously lower in standard, the entertainment and desire to win was fantastic, as was the support from the fans. Some of the hoofs up field reminded me of Albion. So actually, the talent wasn't much lower in standard. But I honestly think I'd rather watch lower league at the moment. You get more value for money.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on November 06, 2017, 05:55:03 PM
2nd favourite after Dyche now to be next to leave post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 06, 2017, 06:13:28 PM
Quote from: alex1 on November 06, 2017, 05:15:34 PM
Reading through alot of posts on here, I do wonder why so many people seem surprised at the type of football Pulis is serving up. Pulis played exactly the same type of football at Stoke, and Palace (although having the likes of Zaha and Puncheon made it look a bit more entertaining). He could quite easily turn around and say, you knew what was on offer, this is what you ordered. The guy is in his late sixties. He's hardly going to change his views on the game now.
For my part, I loathed watching his Stokies for all their gamesmanship, primitive kick and rush football, and nothings really changed. I thought buying good creative players like Chadli, Phillips, Krychiawok, Burke things might improve, but they haven't. Ironically, Pulis was talking about all the quality he's brought into the club, but most of those players are on the bench.

A slight correction - he is 59.

He will be 60 on 16th January 2018

A good age to retire I would say..... ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Raglan on November 06, 2017, 06:30:42 PM
He simply has to go.Pulis.He is fooling nobody with his brand of rubbish football. Start again, get back to proper football. secure the basics, even if the club goes down, I know what you all would say,..
His record over this and end of last season not good enough, if he was in any other buseness, Pulis would have gone awhile ago. He really is insulting our intelligance with his latest remarks. Baggies fans are more than loyal to the club.
There in 67
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 06, 2017, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:54:04 PM
My thinking is that Pulis believes that keeping a settled side and one that's hard to beat was the way to go with a side low on confidence. I think now he'll be a bit braver and put either McClean or Brunt in the team along with Phillips. We also need Morrison back as quickly as possible.

Hardly call this team hard to beat. Worse case scenario for any team playing us is to get a 0-0 bore draw. They know they can attack without fear of us counter attacking. That is, unless our 2 up top can do it all on their own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 06:43:17 PM
Joey Bartons a twonk but this is his opinion from Saturdays match.

"They were awful. I personally like Tony Pulis as a man, but I'm watching the side, you're sitting with Rondon, McClean and Matt Phillips on the bench, Chadli on the bench," he told The Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast (broadcast on 6th November 2017; 8:43 am).

"He's playing Nyom at right wing-back, who ended up a right-back. You've got Hegazi - who is a big unit, but looks, at times, very, very immobile - Evans, I don't get how Man City were trying to sign Evans, I don't see that, McAuley and Gibbs. And honest to God, they just had no invention."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 06, 2017, 06:51:22 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 06, 2017, 06:13:28 PM
A slight correction - he is 59.

He will be 60 on 16th January 2018

A good age to retire I would say..... ;D
Poor bloke. After my less than flattering comments about his football, didn't realise I'd added insult to injury..

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on November 06, 2017, 06:52:05 PM
Quote from: GrGr on September 17, 2015, 02:11:38 AM
Pulis will end up getting us nowhere. After a few years and untold millons spent we will simply be a mirror image of Pulis' approach. One dimensional, rigid and predictable.

Quote from 2015.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 06:59:42 PM
Quote from: GrGr on November 06, 2017, 06:52:05 PM
Quote from 2015.
come on mate give him some time, :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on November 06, 2017, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 06, 2017, 06:59:42 PM
come on mate give him some time, :D

hahahaha  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbako on November 06, 2017, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 05, 2017, 10:38:55 PM
I stopped posting here some months ago because my negativity about Pulis was being jumped on by the same few people every time I posted. As almost everyone here (and on other forums for that matter) now thinks that Pulis should go, it seemed like an appropriate time to return.

Pulis has been at Albion for nearly 3 years, but it feels like 30 years to me. We all despised his approach at Stoke but now, predictably, he's done it to us too. For me, the end doesn't justify the means - if football doesn't exist to try to entertain, then there's no point it existing at all. Time wasting in the first half regularly when we're not even winning just shows how low we've sunk this season, and that anyone can still find any merit in Pulis's tactics at all is incomprehensible to me. I hate what our club has become and how it's seen by others now. Many would say they don't care what outsiders think but, at the same time, we all want to feel proud of our club. How much pride do we feel about Albion right now?

It's been widely posted about how Pulis's record is worse than Irvine's. I went through some stats and found some interesting other discoveries too. The stats below are based on 17 games (league games only), because that's how many league games Pepe Mel was in charge for:

ManagerPWDLPtsWin%Loss%Notes
Clarke173771617.6%41.2%His last 17 games in charge
Mel173681517.6%47.1%His only 17 games in charge with no signings of his choosing and without his choice of backroom staff
Mowbray173591417.6%52.9%His last 17 games in charge when we finished bottom
Pulis1725101111.7%58.8%His past (and hopefully last) 17 games

People can say that the dismal end to last season shouldn't be taken into account, but there's no way to dress it up to make it look acceptable even just looking at this season's results. On top of all of this, but unsurprisingly, reports are now emerging of a dressing room split. Mr Williams, assuming he actually exists and isn't a figment of everyone's imagination, needs to convene an urgent board meeting and the Board has to take the only sensible decision in the face of everything that's happening.....

....Pulis out

I remember following your posts closely, pal, and invariably I found myself agreeing with you. I too decided to stop posting on the forum as part of a wider malaise with the direction of the club under Pulis. As someone who used to do nearly every game each season, home and away, it has been like something was missing.

Pulis out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 06, 2017, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on November 05, 2017, 10:53:32 PM
The Baggies boss was bombarded with chants from the away end on Saturday calling for him to be sacked.

Those toxic scenes came during a 1-0 defeat to ten-man Huddersfield Town that left Pulis without a win in 10 games in all competitions.

But Pulis, who is nearing three years in the job, hit back at the fans with the suggestion they had short memories.

"What happens is when you’re at a football club, and I’ve been here nearly three years now, you take the club up and take it up and take it onwards and onwards," he said.

"You have a look at the players I took over and the players we’ve brought to this football club. Compare them to the players we’ve got now.

"So the expectation levels go right through the roof.

"We finished in the top ten last year, we’ve brought some good players in and everybody was talking about us finishing in the top eight. That's the expectation.

"That’s the job that you’ve done to make expectations the way they are and that’s what people forget, the job you’ve done.

"That’s soon forgotten if you go on a bad run. And supporters are unforgiving, that’s not just at this football club it’s at every football club.

"But my record at the club, you have a look at the players we’ve brought in, have a look at the quality, have a look at the fact we’ve made money every year I’ve been at this football club.

"We’ve had a changeover of chairmanship, all this is going on and this club has steadily progressed."

Pulis rescued the club from relegation in 2015 before guiding them to safety a season later and a top-half finish last time out.

But the Albion faithful have lost patience with his cautious approach during a run of two wins in 20 league games spanning two seasons.

Although Pulis suggested fans reminded themselves of what he'd done at the club, he also admitted it was results-driven business.

"Supporters go off games," he said. "There’s never a thought of what happened before, it’s all about today. It’s not about yesterday.

"Irrespective of what I’ve done previously and how the club is they look at the results you’ve had over a short period of time and I understand that.

"I’ve been in the game a long time, it’s all about results


Just talks in circles he does

It is true that supporters have short memories, how many of ours forgot the guff that he used to bring to the Hawthorns with his Stoke team when he became our manager?

He talks of the players that we had and now have as though it is an accomplishment of his that they are of better quality. I'd agree they quite probably are but then he needs to explain why we are in a worse position with better players?

I've always argued that he didn't "save us from relegation" as we weren't in a relegation spot when he arrived but, assuming he did, then he currently must be leading us to relegation as we are in a worse position than we were at this time under Irvine.

Finally, and most telling, "we've made money every year I've been at this football club". Clearly appealing directly to the board rather than the supporter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 06, 2017, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 06, 2017, 03:22:11 PM
He will be given until the Christmas period to turn out form around which is fair.

I would also give Pulis the January transfer window and buy a top striker.

The problem isn't in the strike force alone, we need at least one creative midfielder on the pitch at any given time not 3, 4 or 5 stranglers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 06, 2017, 08:14:38 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 06, 2017, 12:45:21 PM
Hes totally killed my enthusiasum, i cant be arsed anymore and i aint bothered if we go down
Ditto..
I didn't realise how cheesed off, I am.
I have scarfs, strip, mugs and stuff which can only be bought from the shop.
Might as well bin the lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 06, 2017, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on November 06, 2017, 07:49:41 PM
The problem isn't in the strike force alone, we need at least one creative midfielder on the pitch at any given time not 3, 4 or 5 stranglers

Exactly, No More Heroes in the midfield please, the need to Get a Grip, because Something Better Change..... :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: yorkshire baggie on November 06, 2017, 08:34:12 PM
I do not believe the problems at the club necessarily relate to the playing staff. Lets see how they can perform when they are allowed to under a new regime. I would not write off any of the new signings and still think Rondon has a lot to offer. They must be given a chance to show what they can do though. Only a change in our whole approach can do that. Pulis must go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 06, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on November 06, 2017, 08:14:38 PM
Ditto..
I didn't realise how cheesed off, I am.
I have scarfs, strip, mugs and stuff which can only be bought from the shop.
Might as well bin the lot.

Why? The club will be still here long after Pulis as gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 06, 2017, 08:57:13 PM
I have supported my team through really rough times. There comes a time/style/manager and I have to think ..Where do I go from here?
Pulis has dragged us deeper than I want to go.
No style, no ambition, and no hope.
If he went, at least a glimmer of hope would be there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 06, 2017, 09:04:34 PM
Excellent article here. These 'squatting' type of characters exist across all industries and sectors, especially in politics.

http://www.football365.com/news/this-is-the-country-for-old-footballing-men (http://www.football365.com/news/this-is-the-country-for-old-footballing-men)

As I write, David Moyes is apparently in discussions with West Ham’s hand shandy merchants to replace Slaven Bilic as West Ham United’s new manager. No, this isn’t some sort of Halloween trick or treat, although once Davey makes one of his terrified, wide-eyed looks and starts threatening to slap women, it might seem so. Can anyone imagine a non-British manager with a CV like Moyes’ being given any Premier League job, even for half a season? If he gets the job, he’ll be part of the cabal of top-flight British managers whose sides play awful football.

Let’s look at the dreadful has-beens. David Moyes. Tony Pulis. Mark Hughes. Sam Allardyce. Roy Hodgson. (I would add Alan Pardew if there was half a chance anyone might employ Chunky in the near future, but that seems as likely as anyone employing Alan Curbishley) Two of that five are not in work now, but seem set to be soon enough, at least if some of the English media get their way.

All of these managers can bore for Britain. Their sides usually play a dull, functional game. In a league where some sides play champagne football, this mob specialise in Drybroughs Keg Heavy (one for the teenagers, there).

The recent increase in TV appearances of expert sommelier Sam Allardyce suggests he’s touting for another job. People always end up hating both the football Allardyce teams play and Allardyce himself.

His media mates can go on all they like about how modern he is because he’s got a vibrating plate and has heard of Opta but the fact remains that his sides end up playing eye-bleeding boring football which makes fans feel like the hot breath of mortality is a preferable option. If he takes the Everton job or in fact any other job at all, he’d just be blocking the path of a better, younger, more exciting and progressive manager and as such he’s an especially large albatross around British football’s aching neck.

And speaking of pains in the neck, that brings us to Tony Pulis. He has been a manager for 25 years now (y’know, he’s only 59!), and with his 30% win ratio at WBA is blocking the progress of other managers who could actually organise a team to produce football worth paying to watch. Squatting at the Hawthorns like an incurable haemorrhoid, never quite bad enough to require surgery but a permanent source of agitation and aggravation. The fact is his sides are always really sodding boring and you know this because occasionally, when they play some good football, all Pulis’s supporters jump up and down to shout about it because it is such a contrast to the norm, like striking a match in a universe of darkness.

Then there’s the always scowling, miserable and unhappy Mark Hughes who, when not getting into fights with other managers over shaking or not shaking hands, is doing the football equivalent of bed blocking at Stoke City. He has been a manager for 18 years now and to most fans of the sides he’s been in charge of I bet it feels like even longer. Give someone else a go, Mark. See if they can’t better your 36.7% win ratio. Someone who doesn’t look weary with the game, who doesn’t seem permanently narked and who has got something new to offer. No neutral wants to see Stoke. And for good reason.

And we could say the same thing about Roy Hodgson at Crystal Palace. It’s his 23rd appointment in 41 years. Is that not enough now, Roy? He’s won two games in nine. At least if a new manager had the job and did as poorly, they could learn from the failure; Hodgson has already failed so much that he’s nothing left to learn. He’s just another obstacle in the way of those with less experience but better idea

And finally there’s the putative WHFC man. Moyes, David. With an 18.6% win ratio at Sunderland across 43 games, even taking into account the unique degree of dysfunction on Wearside, it was a spectacular failure of tenure. There is genuine anger from fans that he is even being considered and we all know why: we’ve seen his sides play. His last three jobs revealed a man incapable of managing a big side and incapable of managing a bad side but more than capable of being unable to handle the pressure. He is a man who had a ‘high tech bunker’ (white board and an iPad).
Yeah, that modern. But sooner or later, someone will give Moyes a job, instead of someone who is any good and he’ll set about taking the bread out of the mouth of someone with less experience but much better skills.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 06, 2017, 09:08:48 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 06, 2017, 09:04:34 PM
Excellent article here. These 'squatting' type of characters exist across all industries and sectors, especially in politics.

http://www.football365.com/news/this-is-the-country-for-old-footballing-men (http://www.football365.com/news/this-is-the-country-for-old-footballing-men)

As I write, David Moyes is apparently in discussions with West Ham’s hand shandy merchants to replace Slaven Bilic as West Ham United’s new manager. No, this isn’t some sort of Halloween trick or treat, although once Davey makes one of his terrified, wide-eyed looks and starts threatening to slap women, it might seem so. Can anyone imagine a non-British manager with a CV like Moyes’ being given any Premier League job, even for half a season? If he gets the job, he’ll be part of the cabal of top-flight British managers whose sides play awful football.

Let’s look at the dreadful has-beens. David Moyes. Tony Pulis. Mark Hughes. Sam Allardyce. Roy Hodgson. (I would add Alan Pardew if there was half a chance anyone might employ Chunky in the near future, but that seems as likely as anyone employing Alan Curbishley) Two of that five are not in work now, but seem set to be soon enough, at least if some of the English media get their way.

All of these managers can bore for Britain. Their sides usually play a dull, functional game. In a league where some sides play champagne football, this mob specialise in Drybroughs Keg Heavy (one for the teenagers, there).

The recent increase in TV appearances of expert sommelier Sam Allardyce suggests he’s touting for another job. People always end up hating both the football Allardyce teams play and Allardyce himself.

His media mates can go on all they like about how modern he is because he’s got a vibrating plate and has heard of Opta but the fact remains that his sides end up playing eye-bleeding boring football which makes fans feel like the hot breath of mortality is a preferable option. If he takes the Everton job or in fact any other job at all, he’d just be blocking the path of a better, younger, more exciting and progressive manager and as such he’s an especially large albatross around British football’s aching neck.

And speaking of pains in the neck, that brings us to Tony Pulis. He has been a manager for 25 years now (y’know, he’s only 59!), and with his 30% win ratio at WBA is blocking the progress of other managers who could actually organise a team to produce football worth paying to watch. Squatting at the Hawthorns like an incurable haemorrhoid, never quite bad enough to require surgery but a permanent source of agitation and aggravation. The fact is his sides are always really sodding boring and you know this because occasionally, when they play some good football, all Pulis’s supporters jump up and down to shout about it because it is such a contrast to the norm, like striking a match in a universe of darkness.

Then there’s the always scowling, miserable and unhappy Mark Hughes who, when not getting into fights with other managers over shaking or not shaking hands, is doing the football equivalent of bed blocking at Stoke City. He has been a manager for 18 years now and to most fans of the sides he’s been in charge of I bet it feels like even longer. Give someone else a go, Mark. See if they can’t better your 36.7% win ratio. Someone who doesn’t look weary with the game, who doesn’t seem permanently narked and who has got something new to offer. No neutral wants to see Stoke. And for good reason.

And we could say the same thing about Roy Hodgson at Crystal Palace. It’s his 23rd appointment in 41 years. Is that not enough now, Roy? He’s won two games in nine. At least if a new manager had the job and did as poorly, they could learn from the failure; Hodgson has already failed so much that he’s nothing left to learn. He’s just another obstacle in the way of those with less experience but better idea

And finally there’s the putative WHFC man. Moyes, David. With an 18.6% win ratio at Sunderland across 43 games, even taking into account the unique degree of dysfunction on Wearside, it was a spectacular failure of tenure. There is genuine anger from fans that he is even being considered and we all know why: we’ve seen his sides play. His last three jobs revealed a man incapable of managing a big side and incapable of managing a bad side but more than capable of being unable to handle the pressure. He is a man who had a ‘high tech bunker’ (white board and an iPad).
Yeah, that modern. But sooner or later, someone will give Moyes a job, instead of someone who is any good and he’ll set about taking the bread out of the mouth of someone with less experience but much better skills.


Dyche should be included in this...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 06, 2017, 09:12:56 PM
That is a brilliant article and a viewpoint I’d never looked at before.

People are quick enough to moan about too many foreigners blocking the path of young players, managers like Pulis are blocking the exciting young talent of managers which would actually help the National side.

No wonder we fail at Major tournaments when most of our coaching methods are prehistoric.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 06, 2017, 09:39:49 PM
What a fantastic article. It should be sent to every media outlet that is involved in football. All the so-called experts should be made to read it and forced to argue against the content. The problem is, most probably wouldn’t get past the first two sentences, before coming over all woozy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 06, 2017, 10:06:17 PM
How many of you are old enough to remember Gary Newbon from ATV/Central News years ago? Wasn't rather keen on the Villa back in his heyday? Well, here's his insightful (ahem) take on our current situation:

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/why-west-brom-fans-should-13867191)

After all the justified mockery by Albion fans of the finger on the pulse pundits' conclusion of "be careful what you wish for", what does Mr Newbon bring to the discussion: "Tony will have to start winning soon but those supporters who are agitating should give him more credit and be careful what they wish for". The saddest thing about it is that the Mail must be paying him to write it. I think I'll stick with the inspired "incurable haemorrhoid" view myself.

I don't know about anybody else, but the views of these "expert" pundits, who so spectacularly misunderstand how things are at the club (or are deliberately trying to sweep it under the carpet as part of some old pals' network), just serve to make my blood boil all the more, and I didn't think it was possible to be even more angry about our situation than I was already!

Pulis out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 06, 2017, 10:15:26 PM
Quote from: wbako on November 06, 2017, 07:29:43 PM
I remember following your posts closely, pal, and invariably I found myself agreeing with you. I too decided to stop posting on the forum as part of a wider malaise with the direction of the club under Pulis. As someone who used to do nearly every game each season, home and away, it has been like something was missing.
Welcome back wbako. You're right, it feels like the club has a vampire in its midst who is slowly draining away its lifeblood.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on November 06, 2017, 11:15:07 PM
Cannot defend the bloke currently and I'm probably one of his biggest supporters on here.

Not even sure if he's going to be able to turn it around....we look a shadow of the team we were last year.

Prove me wrong tony i beg.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 06, 2017, 11:53:25 PM
So after the Chelsea game we should (to be on statistical target) be on a minimum of 13.2 points and will likely be on 10. Getting back on target before xmas is very achievable in theory, in practice we need to be doing something different to what we have done thus far this season. That's the issue in my mind TP is not a man who can change his methodology.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 06, 2017, 11:56:43 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on November 06, 2017, 11:26:56 PM
Not 100% sure why my original comment was removed as it had any bad words censored (Maybe it was because I mentioned a replacement as an example), but my reply was to an earlier comment about how we have no other choice unless we want to end up with a Moyes or an Allardyce mould is nonsense. John Williams' ought to be able to scout out managerial talent, it's a huge part of his job after all. If Williams isn't capable of doing that then TP isn't the only one who should be moved on.

There are many names out there (English ones included) that most here will not have heard of that I am confident would make this club progress and flourish more than TP has. Give someone (Who's been scouted properly and thoroughly of course) who is young, hungry and with something to prove the time and backing that TP has had, and I'm sure we'd see a better WBA team right now.


Williams has appointed one young hungry manager. Paul Ince. He sacked him 5 months later. Forget untried. Forget up and coming. Forget potential. Once bitten twice shy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 06, 2017, 11:58:46 PM
id take a right tonking the weekend if it signals his sacking immediately,we need to move on from the dinosaur and quickly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 12:01:23 AM
Quote from: barnestormer on November 06, 2017, 11:58:46 PM
id take a right tonking the weekend if it signals his sacking immediately,we need to move on from the dinosaur and quickly


He's not going to be sacked based on the next two matches or the previous 23 before anyone chirps up.  Plus we don't really get hammered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 07, 2017, 12:06:24 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 12:01:23 AM

He's not going to be sacked based on the next two matches or the previous 23 before anyone chirps up.  Plus we don't really get hammered.
yep id agree on that we don't get hammered under pulis but maybe if we did with lai supposedly jetting in it may be the catalyst we need,make no mistake pui;ls days are numbered
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 07, 2017, 01:11:53 AM
I think a lot of the careful of what you wish for claptrap in the media is fueling resentment toward Pulis and as such his buddies are doing him no favours by spouting it.

While I don't think the board particularly want to fire him and certainly would be happy to give him ample chance to turn things around they have been taken aback by the growing antipathy that fans have toward Pulis. It is fair to say it is a developing situation and the board are now looking at things on an almost game by game basis while keeping their fingers crossed that Pulis will pull off an unlikely win and this will all blow over.

I don't think they will sack him on the basis of the Chelsea game but I doubt he will get to Christmas either without a substantial improvement in performances and results.

Going into the Huddersfield game I don't think there was a contingency plan in place and while a couple of the more obvious old school replacements are likely to go in the next few days by the Chelsea game there will be a plan in place .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 01:27:11 AM
Quote from: Standaman on November 07, 2017, 01:11:53 AM
I think a lot of the careful of what you wish for claptrap in the media is fueling resentment toward Pulis and as such his buddies are doing him no favours by spouting it.

While I don't think the board particularly want to fire him and certainly would be happy to give him ample chance to turn things around they have been taken aback by the growing antipathy that fans have toward Pulis. It is fair to say it is a developing situation and the board are now looking at things on an almost game by game basis while keeping their fingers crossed that Pulis will pull off an unlikely win and this will all blow over.

I don't think they will sack him on the basis of the Chelsea game but I doubt he will get to Christmas either without a substantial improvement in performances and results.

Going into the Huddersfield game I don't think there was a contingency plan in place and while a couple of the more obvious old school replacements are likely to go in the next few days by the Chelsea game there will be a plan in place .


Fixed it for you.


Also still don't think they've even considered a change.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on November 07, 2017, 01:33:14 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 01:27:11 AM

Fixed it for you.


Also still don't think they've even considered a change.

I think and hope you're wrong there.

There is no way they haven't considered a change when we are 1 point away from the relegation zone. Incidentally, exactly as far away from the relegation zone as we were when Irvine was sacked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 01:39:37 AM
Quote from: Mikkyk on November 07, 2017, 01:33:14 AM
I think and hope you're wrong there.

There is no way they haven't considered a change when we are 1 point away from the relegation zone. Incidentally, exactly as far away from the relegation zone as we were when Irvine was sacked.


Irvine had 17 games. We've played 11. There is nothing imminent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on November 07, 2017, 02:18:01 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 01:39:37 AM

Irvine had 17 games. We've played 11. There is nothing imminent.

Exactly as predicted Pulis has led us in a big fat circle, spending millions of good money along the way yet leading us nowhere while the 'product' is as boring and predictable as can be. If it changes for a while and there is a bit of creativity by accident, like when we had a fresh Chadli for a few weeks/months, then Midas in reverse will soon suck any life and joy out of it and revert to Pulisball.

We all know full well the suits at the top are happy as long as their Prem cash flows in and for them that is all that matters. Most likely Pulis will eventually turn it around because his game is based on statistics and numbers, but for us fans, what's the point? There simply is no good reason to watch Pulisball, life is too short and valuable to waste on such nonsense.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 02:27:13 AM
Quote from: GrGr on November 07, 2017, 02:18:01 AM
Exactly as predicted Pulis has led us in a big fat circle, spending millions of good money along the way yet leading us nowhere while the 'product' is as boring and predictable as can be. If it changes for a while and there is a bit of creativity by accident, like when we had a fresh Chadli for a few weeks/months, then Midas in reverse will soon suck any life and joy out of it and revert to Pulisball.

We all know full well the suits at the top are happy as long as their Prem cash flows in and for them that is all that matters. Most likely Pulis will eventually turn it around because his game is based on statistics and numbers, but for us fans, what's the point? There simply is no good reason to watch Pulisball, life is too short and valuable to waste on such nonsense.


Don't disagree with anything you've said but the point remains he's going nowhere and this time his standing in the game means the fans are unable to force the issue so instead of p*ssing and moaning we might as well put up a united front.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 07, 2017, 05:00:21 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 02:27:13 AM

Don't disagree with anything you've said but the point remains he's going nowhere and this time his standing in the game means the fans are unable to force the issue so instead of p*ssing and moaning we might as well put up a united front.
What kind of united front? Is it one where we fill the stadium, sing the praises of the players and our undying love for the club, and try and roar the team onto victory? Or the the one that has already started? You know the one. Where people don’t bother turning up for games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on November 07, 2017, 05:22:19 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 02:27:13 AM

Don't disagree with anything you've said but the point remains he's going nowhere and this time his standing in the game means the fans are unable to force the issue so instead of p*ssing and moaning we might as well put up a united front.

I thought the majority of us were united on what we want.

Might aswell close this forum then, ones persons p***ing and moaning is another’s persons good point and opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 07, 2017, 06:35:09 AM
I think we have to realise that until we get rid of Pulis and start playing 'football' there will never be a united fan base
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 07, 2017, 06:45:53 AM
The fans are united they want Pulis out.

The board would have to live in a bunker with no link to the outside world not to know this and while they might want to keep Pulis they know they can only hold that line for a limited time and as such they need to think about the alternatives.

The argument for giving him the same amount time as Irvine i.e. 17 games is spurious given that Pulis has been here for nearly 3 years and aside from one hot streak which is unlikely to be repeated he has barely moved the dial.

In my earlier post I was giving Pulis the benefit of improved performances because the next two games are unlikely to see an improvement in results. If we give Chelsea and Spurs a game but lose the board could have something to justify giving him  the next 2 games to turn things around. However it is down to results then that's likely to be 5 straight defeats 13 games 10 points bottom 3 and thanks for efforts Tony but here's your P45.

Even if we dropped Megson in as caretaker it could not be worse than Pulis.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DaveWBA on November 07, 2017, 09:06:00 AM
Quote from: Standaman on November 07, 2017, 06:45:53 AM
Even if we dropped Megson in as caretaker it could not be worse than Pulis.

Given his record last time he managed in the PL - yes, it probably would.

Either way, it's not going to make things better so what is the point?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 07, 2017, 09:18:14 AM
Quote from: Standaman on November 07, 2017, 06:45:53 AM
The fans are united they want Pulis out.

The board would have to live in a bunker with no link to the outside world not to know this and while they might want to keep Pulis they know they can only hold that line for a limited time and as such they need to think about the alternatives.

The argument for giving him the same amount time as Irvine i.e. 17 games is spurious given that Pulis has been here for nearly 3 years and aside from one hot streak which is unlikely to be repeated he has barely moved the dial.

In my earlier post I was giving Pulis the benefit of improved performances because the next two games are unlikely to see an improvement in results. If we give Chelsea and Spurs a game but lose the board could have something to justify giving him  the next 2 games to turn things around. However it is down to results then that's likely to be 5 straight defeats 13 games 10 points bottom 3 and thanks for efforts Tony but here's your P45.

Even if we dropped Megson in as caretaker it could not be worse than Pulis.
Exactly, the board cannot possibly bury their heads in the sand, they have too much at stake.
Pulis' only chance of survival is to get results and, at present, that looks about as likely as the Queen paying her tax bill.
If, by some miracle of wonders, he eeks 4-6 points out of the next 4 games, regardless of style, he'll get a stay of execution. If he doesn't he'll be gone.
The only way I can see it happening sooner is if we ship 6 or 7 against Chelsea but that won't happen because they'll take their foot of the gas once they get 2 because they'll know the game is over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on November 07, 2017, 09:40:01 AM
I can't see the board sacking him they believing that with him as manager we are guaranteed survival  & TP will not stand down so our best hope is that we replace him (if or when) we hit the 40 points mark 
TP is a manager whose style of play suits a club who needs time to survive in the prem, he style doesn't allow a team to flourish.
100% the right man for the job when he came here (Thanks TP)
100% killing the club now as hes been here too long. (Bye TP)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 07, 2017, 09:55:22 AM
Quote from: geoff on November 07, 2017, 09:40:01 AM
I can't see the board sacking him they believing that with him as manager we are guaranteed survival  & TP will not stand down so our best hope is that we replace him (if or when) we hit the 40 points mark 
TP is a manager whose style of play suits a club who needs time to survive in the prem, he style doesn't allow a team to flourish.
100% the right man for the job when he came here (Thanks TP)
100% killing the club now as hes been here too long. (Bye TP)

Exactly, we absolutely need to move on. Wonder what the bookies would give you on a Pulis Albion side getting 40 points this season? No way will that happen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2017, 09:56:30 AM
More useless excuses coming out from his mouth today i see.If i hear that aarrrd word again. just go pulis. you are not a football coach in a million years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 07, 2017, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2017, 09:56:30 AM
More useless excuses coming out from his mouth today i see.If i hear that aarrrd word again. just go pulis. you are not a football coach in a million years.

I bet he's doing it to take the p*ss knowing the fans are onto it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 07, 2017, 10:37:57 AM
Having a break in Barbados doing some sunbathing. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 07, 2017, 10:41:37 AM
regardless what happens in the next 6 months I think its a certainty it will be last season under him. if we get relegated I hope its under his guidance so his record gets tarnished. we will come back better when he's gone , sad thing is his poxy football will  forced onto some other unfortunate fans.
football coach my backside, he's ruined  what could've been a great season with this squad of players by employing tactics of a coward.
I hate this bloke more than any other manager in my time including saunders and gould.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 07, 2017, 10:53:47 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 07, 2017, 10:37:57 AM
Having a break in Barbados doing some sunbathing.

He deserves it, he's been working aaard.

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/nintchdbpict000365294522.jpg?strip=all&w=960)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 07, 2017, 10:58:34 AM
Quote from: BB74 on November 07, 2017, 10:53:47 AM
He deserves it, he's been working aaard.

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/nintchdbpict000365294522.jpg?strip=all&w=960)
brilliant book title After I've Gone. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 07, 2017, 11:06:28 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 07, 2017, 10:58:34 AM
brilliant book title After I've Gone. ;)

Which would suggest it's a spoof (or in modern parlance "fake news")
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2017, 11:08:30 AM
shocking if hes over there, he should be clearing his desk
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 07, 2017, 11:10:15 AM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 07, 2017, 11:06:28 AM
Which would suggest it's a spoof (or in modern parlance "fake news")
I think the pink nail varnish gives it away :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 07, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 07, 2017, 11:10:15 AM
I think the pink nail varnish gives it away :o
That's not his hand! It's John Williams wearing the pink nail varnish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 07, 2017, 11:18:49 AM
Where's his cap?  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 07, 2017, 11:21:12 AM
Tony Pulis forgets West Brom woes as he sunbathes in Barbados with his wife

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4858814/tony-pulis-west-brom-barbados-guochuan-lai/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4858814/tony-pulis-west-brom-barbados-guochuan-lai/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2017, 11:22:37 AM
hes the one eating an opple
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 07, 2017, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2017, 11:22:37 AM
hes the one eating an opple

An apple a day keeps the Lai away
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 07, 2017, 11:37:40 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 07, 2017, 11:10:15 AM
I think the pink nail varnish gives it away :o

Isn't it rather coincidental that a book with that title is in the photo anyway?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 07, 2017, 12:02:06 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 07, 2017, 11:21:12 AM
Tony Pulis forgets West Brom woes as he sunbathes in Barbados with his wife

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4858814/tony-pulis-west-brom-barbados-guochuan-lai/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4858814/tony-pulis-west-brom-barbados-guochuan-lai/)

Looks like it is true then, not helping his cause is he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 07, 2017, 12:04:07 PM
Just cant believe how much leeway TP is being given.

Any other manager of any other team and he would have been sacked, rightly to.

Its still as if its just little old albion who should be happy to be here and so should be grateful we have to watch the worst football in the league.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 07, 2017, 12:08:57 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 07, 2017, 09:18:14 AM
Exactly, the board cannot possibly bury their heads in the sand, they have too much at stake.
Pulis' only chance of survival is to get results and, at present, that looks about as likely as the Queen paying her tax bill.
If, by some miracle of wonders, he eeks 4-6 points out of the next 4 games, regardless of style, he'll get a stay of execution. If he doesn't he'll be gone.
The only way I can see it happening sooner is if we ship 6 or 7 against Chelsea but that won't happen because they'll take their foot of the gas once they get 2 because they'll know the game is over.

No one is mentioning the players...if they want him out they will ensure they put in 2 rubbish performances, a couple get sent off etc etc

As I see it, I think the fans have a responsibility to render the atmosphere toxic for the Chelsea game banners, songs the lot for Pulis Out so that Lai sees and hears it all. It sounds like betrayal but its all we can do to influence the situation to try and bring an end to this terrible terrible regime. Make no mistake this is about the soul of WBA.

We have a proud history of playing good football the right way and this is far far away from that. He needs to be gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on November 07, 2017, 12:16:59 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2017, 11:08:30 AM
shocking if hes over there, he should be clearing his desk

I'm no Pulis fan but I don't have a problem with this; we don't have a game for two weeks, we have 10 players away on international duty and no doubt many of our remaining players will have been given some time off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 07, 2017, 12:20:11 PM
Quote from: baggiebof on November 07, 2017, 12:16:59 PM
I'm no Pulis fan but I don't have a problem with this; we don't have a game for two weeks, we have 10 players away on international duty and no doubt many of our remaining players will have been given some time off.
he’s also got 3 assistant coaches one of which was a manager himself. Even if they are still training he’s not massively required on a day to day basis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 07, 2017, 12:30:03 PM
On a practical level, he probably wouldn't have a lot to do over the international break, but the message that the sun portrays is designed to irritate the fans.

Pulis is not stupid, he would have known that & chose to go anyway.

For me, it just demonstrates his arrogance, & I can't see that the Board would have viewed it too positively either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 07, 2017, 12:34:08 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 07, 2017, 12:30:03 PM
On a practical level, he probably wouldn't have a lot to do over the international break, but the message that the sun portrays is designed to irritate the fans.

Pulis is not stupid, he would have known that & chose to go anyway.

For me, it just demonstrates his arrogance, & I can't see that the Board would have viewed it too positively either.

Did Pulis tell them to take a picture of him? I think he would have preferred privacy while he's with his family.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on November 07, 2017, 12:57:20 PM
Fingers crossed he'l have a lot more time to sunbath in the near future, not a bad old game football management get a big payoff for underachieving at your job and when the pressure's on take yourself off to Barbado's for a week, these guys should live in the real world for a week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 07, 2017, 01:11:18 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 07, 2017, 12:30:03 PM
On a practical level, he probably wouldn't have a lot to do over the international break, but the message that the sun portrays is designed to irritate the fans.

Pulis is not stupid, he would have known that & chose to go anyway.

For me, it just demonstrates his arrogance, & I can't see that the Board would have viewed it too positively either.

Not overly sure it does John, I assume he booked it quite some time ago and he is entitled to a break like all of us. I am quite sure he would have been of no interest to the press if we had not been in so much trouble...........not too many pictures of other managers on sunbeds is there?

However, you are right about the Sun trying to wind the fans up though....... as if we need any more reasons. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 07, 2017, 02:00:00 PM
Can’t say that I’m overly fussed about it. The work that has been done on the training pitch this season has clearly been a waste of time so seems no point in him being at the club right now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 07, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
Its not the end of the world to leave the bubble and reflect on your own over some work issues.
Nothing to see here really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 07, 2017, 02:26:07 PM
Quote from: wimbledon baggie on November 07, 2017, 12:08:57 PM
No one is mentioning the players...if they want him out they will ensure they put in 2 rubbish performances, a couple get sent off etc etc

As I see it, I think the fans have a responsibility to render the atmosphere toxic for the Chelsea game banners, songs the lot for Pulis Out so that Lai sees and hears it all. It sounds like betrayal but its all we can do to influence the situation to try and bring an end to this terrible terrible regime. Make no mistake this is about the soul of WBA.

We have a proud history of playing good football the right way and this is far far away from that. He needs to be gone.
Why don't you just be responsible for yourself mate. Albion supporters don't need to be told how to behave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 07, 2017, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 07, 2017, 02:00:00 PM
Can’t say that I’m overly fussed about it. The work that has been done on the training pitch this season has clearly been a waste of time so seems no point in him being at the club right now.

For a change Fritz I share your pessimism 😞
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: garry on November 07, 2017, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on November 07, 2017, 12:02:06 PM
Looks like it is true then, not helping his cause is he?
I recognise the gold  Rolex Daytona he bought himself half way through last season (I notice such things).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 07, 2017, 03:14:10 PM
I think it's great that he's on holiday.
Not so great that he's coming back though....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 07, 2017, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: Dexy on November 07, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
Its not the end of the world to leave the bubble and reflect on your own over some work issues.
Nothing to see here really.

I don't take no issue him with him going away. A lot of our players will be away until the 16th anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 07, 2017, 04:05:18 PM
Judging by the 2 piles of beds behind them,
TP is either,
the annoying twonk who jumps on his sunbed at 06:30am to ensure he has the best place by the pool, or,
the equally annoying twonk who stays on his bed till the poor pool attendants are frazzled and waiting to go grab some food at 21:00

In all seriousness, If he has a great break, comes back invigorated and starts getting results from positive performances, good on him.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 07, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
I think alot depends on Williams. Mr Lai is probably not that clued up on dealing with purely footballing issues. What I miss from Williams is more communication with us the fans. Maybe I watch too much German football, but their Football directors are in the media as much as the managers, usually having to field questions on how long their managers have got left.  But I'd like to hear what Williams football philosophy is. I get the impression he's fairly conservative, old school. Probably very few contacts outside the British leagues.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 07, 2017, 04:08:21 PM
Is he on the beach?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 07, 2017, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: alex1 on November 07, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
I think alot depends on Williams. Mr Lai is probably not that clued up on dealing with purely footballing issues. What I miss from Williams is more communication with us the fans. Maybe I watch too much German football, but their Football directors are in the media as much as the managers, usually having to field questions on how long their managers have got left.  But I'd like to hear what Williams football philosophy is. I get the impression he's fairly conservative, old school. Probably very few contacts outside the British leagues.

To be honest, i don't care where a manager comes from as long as he is prepared to play to his squads strengths in a manner that provides a spectacle for us to enjoy.
I do think that as we currently have a large British contingent having a British manager is likely to build a relationship with the squad more readily.

Why we have such a substantial British element is another question.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 07, 2017, 04:10:55 PM
Whats all the fuss about, he is entitled to a holiday just like the rest of us. The Sun stirring the pooh up again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 07, 2017, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 07, 2017, 04:08:21 PM
Is he on the beach?
I dont think it is his garden,  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on November 07, 2017, 04:42:51 PM
A new record for Albion - on the beach in November!

On a serious note, what's the problem with him having a holiday? Fail to see how it's "news".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 06:01:31 PM
Go and have a read of the Moyes thread on Knees Up Mother Brown.


That's us the day after we appoint a replacement for Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 07, 2017, 06:15:43 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 06:01:31 PM
Go and have a read of the Moyes thread on Knees Up Mother Brown.


That's us the day after we appoint a replacement for Pulis.

Tomorrow night's lottery numbers as well please?

Bilic was nowhere near as unpopular as Pulis is here so there is no comparison.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 07, 2017, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 06:01:31 PM
Go and have a read of the Moyes thread on Knees Up Mother Brown.


That's us the day after we appoint a replacement for Pulis.
On the whole I see what you mean and agree with parts but while I'm not personally calling for his head on here just yet these results and performances cannot go on.
Need to see improvement in shape , players picked , effort and attacking in the next game .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on November 07, 2017, 07:33:58 PM
Quote from: wimbledon baggie on November 07, 2017, 12:08:57 PM
No one is mentioning the players...if they want him out they will ensure they put in 2 rubbish performances, a couple get sent off etc etc

As I see it, I think the fans have a responsibility to render the atmosphere toxic for the Chelsea game banners, songs the lot for Pulis Out so that Lai sees and hears it all. It sounds like betrayal but its all we can do to influence the situation to try and bring an end to this terrible terrible regime. Make no mistake this is about the soul of WBA.

We have a proud history of playing good football the right way and this is far far away from that. He needs to be gone.


Boycotting the game would be more effective.

As Ali once said, keep booing, you have paid for those seats.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 07, 2017, 07:41:46 PM
No way do the fans have a 'responsibility' to make the atmosphere toxic...you can if you want but don't pin it as a responsibility for everyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 07, 2017, 08:40:52 PM
Pulis said in one of the filmed interviews at the weekend that all the players who aren't on international duty have been given the week off. There are suggestions that there are players in for training today though, so who knows which is correct? Pulis definitely didn't mention that he was going to Barbados though!

As far as the atmosphere against Chelsea is concerned, fans have never had less influence than they do these days. Just about the the only they can gvien themselves a proper voice now is by what they do in front of the Board and the TV cameras. Without a toxic atmosphere at games, Pulis is likely to be around for longer still than most would want now. Another insipid and cowardly approach should be highlighted for what it is, if it happens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 07, 2017, 09:06:37 PM
First of all I am not advocating this, however the Chelsea game will get vast coverage and a unusual visual show of discontent would certainly get Lai's attention as he wouldn't want it screened all over Asia.
The charlton tennis balls was an effective, pacifist, visual demo, something akin to that would be the way to go ( Balti pies might be suitable)  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 07, 2017, 09:07:48 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 07, 2017, 09:06:37 PM
The charlton tennis balls was an effective, pacifist, visual demo, something akin to that would be the way to go ( Balti pies might be suitable)  ;D
Or peaked caps!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 07, 2017, 09:25:35 PM
nov-march is the only time of the season i can attend every game due to work. 2 great fixtures to start with but I ay bothering its not worth 6 hours travelling just to see a white flag line up concede the first goal and be clueless to do anything about it. so I am off to spain and portugal instead for 12 days on sunday , I think it will be more enjoyable than the rubbish pulis offers. love this club but cannot bare to watch anymore what he's turned us into.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 07, 2017, 11:22:30 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on November 07, 2017, 12:20:11 PM
he’s also got 3 assistant coaches one of which was a manager himself. Even if they are still training he’s not massively required on a day to day basis.
could be a good sign pulis being far away from the squad for a few weeks,they may get some time to train with a ball and get to know it better
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 07, 2017, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on November 07, 2017, 11:22:30 PM
could be a good sign pulis being far away from the squad for a few weeks,they may get some time to train with a ball and get to know it better
Two words.. If only !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbarenno on November 08, 2017, 07:31:48 AM
Quote from: barnestormer on November 07, 2017, 11:22:30 PM
could be a good sign pulis being far away from the squad for a few weeks,they may get some time to train with a ball and get to know it better

With megson there :-) you've got no chance
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: richjonawba on November 08, 2017, 08:17:00 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 07, 2017, 09:07:48 PM
Or peaked caps!  ;D

White towels may be more appropriate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on November 08, 2017, 08:20:26 AM
In The Times this morning that Lai is flying in to assess the situation....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 08, 2017, 08:23:07 AM
What's really annoying me now is all these ex players, pundits and fans of other clubs saying Pulis stopped us being a yo yo club. The years of yo yo had long gone before Pulis arrived. We had been in the prem 5 straight years. Apart from the Pepe Mel season we’d finished 11th, 10th & 8th previous 3. Hodgson stopped us being a yo yo club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DaveWBA on November 08, 2017, 08:33:11 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2017, 06:01:31 PM
Go and have a read of the Moyes thread on Knees Up Mother Brown.


That's us the day after we appoint a replacement for Pulis.

At least it means we can't appoint Moyes.

Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 07, 2017, 06:15:43 PM
Tomorrow night's lottery numbers as well please?

Bilic was nowhere near as unpopular as Pulis is here so there is no comparison.

There is, replacing one pooh manager with another. Now Moyes is unavailable the most likely outcome of us sacking Pulis is giving the job to Megson until the end of the season. Good times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 08, 2017, 08:50:18 AM
Pulis thought he may be sacked after the Huddersfield game himself.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/909801393?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 08, 2017, 09:07:57 AM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 08, 2017, 08:50:18 AM
Pulis thought he may be sacked after the Huddersfield game himself.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/909801393?-11200:789:0

I've got a lot of time for Matt Wilson & he normally tells it as it is, but I'm not sure how he could know that, with Pulis in Barbados.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 08, 2017, 10:40:31 AM
If he expected the tin tack then shame on you Williams for not making it easy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 08, 2017, 10:42:18 AM
I'd take that with a pinch of salt. No quotes whatsoever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 08, 2017, 12:10:01 PM
i still find it amazing he is off on his jollies this time of year when you would think he should be plotting at home how to get two shots on Chelseas goal
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Beefy on November 08, 2017, 12:33:02 PM
Quote from: slate on November 08, 2017, 08:20:26 AM
In The Times this morning that Lai is flying in to assess the situation....


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/west-bromwich-albion-owner-to-fly-in-to-decide-tony-puliss-future-gzdqg6zxc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 08, 2017, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: Beefy on November 08, 2017, 12:33:02 PM

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/west-bromwich-albion-owner-to-fly-in-to-decide-tony-puliss-future-gzdqg6zxc


lets hope hes googling football head coaches, oh and a new chairman too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on November 08, 2017, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: Beefy on November 08, 2017, 12:33:02 PM

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/west-bromwich-albion-owner-to-fly-in-to-decide-tony-puliss-future-gzdqg6zxc

I thought Lai might want to see with his own eyes before pulling the plug, Pulis the coward will no doubt put a more attacking lineup out (one that the fans have been asking for). I still think the players have tuned him out & it's clear they have no confidence at the moment, I think after we put up another tepid display against against Chelsea he will be gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 08, 2017, 12:54:26 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 07, 2017, 04:10:55 PM
Whats all the fuss about, he is entitled to a holiday just like the rest of us. The Sun stirring the S***e up again.

He's entitled to a holiday, yes - in the summer, when everybody else is on holiday and there is no football to be played.

The youngsters were in action last night, with Oliver Burke. But he wasn't there to cast an eye, see if there were any prospects or how Burke did, but no - because he never thinks that far ahead. He doesn't care about the future of the club, just keeping us up season by season and getting his big fat bonuses.

This is the time most managers use for scouting internationals, or checking on the progress of the clubs youth sides, or even improving their coaching by learning new methods or techniques. He's off sunning himself, and that's what all the fuss is all about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 08, 2017, 01:12:53 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on November 08, 2017, 12:54:26 PM
He's entitled to a holiday, yes - in the summer, when everybody else is on holiday and there is no football to be played.

The youngsters were in action last night, with Oliver Burke. But he wasn't there to cast an eye, see if there were any prospects or how Burke did, but no - because he never thinks that far ahead. He doesn't care about the future of the club, just keeping us up season by season and getting his big fat bonuses.

This is the time most managers use for scouting internationals, or checking on the progress of the clubs youth sides, or even improving their coaching by learning new methods or techniques. He's off sunning himself, and that's what all the fuss is all about.

There are all kinds of modern technology for him to watch players, he as coaching staff to coach the kids, I don't blame him having a short break, you never know it might help him to find an attacking formula. :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 08, 2017, 01:15:21 PM
like someone said maybe hes been granted leave so they can headhunt without him being around to gob off
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 08, 2017, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on November 08, 2017, 12:54:26 PM
He's entitled to a holiday, yes - in the summer, when everybody else is on holiday and there is no football to be played.

The youngsters were in action last night, with Oliver Burke. But he wasn't there to cast an eye, see if there were any prospects or how Burke did, but no - because he never thinks that far ahead. He doesn't care about the future of the club, just keeping us up season by season and getting his big fat bonuses.

This is the time most managers use for scouting internationals, or checking on the progress of the clubs youth sides, or even improving their coaching by learning new methods or techniques. He's off sunning himself, and that's what all the fuss is all about.

So are you saying he can only take his holiday when the season is over until they report for training for the new season then? ie; June? And there is football in the summer...next year it is the World Cup, plenty to see there.

He missed a game last night but will see the video of it. Regardless of what we all think he deserves a break; half his 1st team are on International duty and the other half are on the beach early.....

Give the guy a break. You never know he might just have a bright idea!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 08, 2017, 01:21:54 PM
deserves a break for under performing, thats a laugh that one
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 08, 2017, 01:23:22 PM
It's his anniversary for god's sake
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on November 08, 2017, 01:24:19 PM
I saw a comment earlier about the fans responsibility to make a toxic atmosphere and they were shot down. I tend to agree. It's all well and good us coming on here spouting off about how he has to go etc but then turn up to the game like nothing needs to be said.
I get that it won't help the team but a toxic atmosphere against Chelsea whereby we are likely to lose anyway is the right way to go for me with the long term interests of the club in mind.
I think a Spanish style white flag/white handkerchief/towel would paint a very clear picture and would be extremely effective. In essence the white flag is the sign of surrender which is exactly what we do every game.
I would love nothing more than to see 20,000+ people all waving white flags. Sadly i know this would never happen.
Sorry if you don't agree but i hate being hypocritical and it annoys me that this board and everyone i speak to is so anti-pulis but that doesn't seem to show up on match day. I fear that apathy has taken over and we can't even be bothered to moan....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 08, 2017, 01:25:07 PM
well i wasnt aware it was his anniversary, a couple of days in Rhyl would have been more appropriate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 08, 2017, 01:26:02 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 08, 2017, 01:21:54 PM
deserves a break for under performing, thats a laugh that one

No, he deserves a break for his health, like absolutely everyone else
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 08, 2017, 01:26:20 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 08, 2017, 01:25:07 PM
well i wasnt aware it was his anniversary, a couple of days in Rhyl would have been more appropriate

Sunny Barbados on the beach or a caravan park in rainy Rhyl, tough one that.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on November 08, 2017, 01:28:12 PM
Oh, another thing i received the other day from a friend. Not sure how accurate it is but i'll post it word for word. The chap doesn't usually spout nonsense so i'm inclined to see some truth in it:

"had this from a friend who is now a coach at the Albion;

Pulis has lost the dressing room apparently. He has the starting 11 on the pitch going through tactics and the rest of the squad just standing on the side doing nothing. Brunt, McClean and others went off and had their own 5 a side game and Pulis wasn't happy. Krychowiak doesn't get involved with anyone and the players don't rate him being on over £100k per week for what he contributes. He said there are massive divides in the squad at the moment. Things need to change quick or we are in real trouble."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 08, 2017, 01:29:15 PM
Quote from: crocodile007 on November 08, 2017, 01:24:19 PM
I saw a comment earlier about the fans responsibility to make a toxic atmosphere and they were shot down. I tend to agree. It's all well and good us coming on here spouting off about how he has to go etc but then turn up to the game like nothing needs to be said.
I get that it won't help the team but a toxic atmosphere against Chelsea whereby we are likely to lose anyway is the right way to go for me with the long term interests of the club in mind.
I think a Spanish style white flag/white handkerchief/towel would paint a very clear picture and would be extremely effective. In essence the white flag is the sign of surrender which is exactly what we do every game.
I would love nothing more than to see 20,000+ people all waving white flags. Sadly i know this would never happen.
Sorry if you don't agree but i hate being hypocritical and it annoys me that this board and everyone i speak to is so anti-pulis but that doesn't seem to show up on match day. I fear that apathy has taken over and we can't even be bothered to moan....

I am sure that Mr Lai and the board will get the message loud and clear at the end of the game, no advanced planning will be necessary. What will we all do if they win I wonder???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crocodile007 on November 08, 2017, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 08, 2017, 01:29:15 PM
I am sure that Mr Lai and the board will get the message loud and clear at the end of the game, no advanced planning will be necessary. What will we all do if they win I wonder???
Die from shock?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 08, 2017, 01:32:29 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 08, 2017, 01:29:15 PM
I am sure that Mr Lai and the board will get the message loud and clear at the end of the game, no advanced planning will be necessary. What will we all do if they win I wonder???


thats what worries me
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 08, 2017, 01:52:30 PM
Quote from: keithowba86 on November 08, 2017, 01:34:52 PM
Time for the big SB... i called for SB 2 years ago! I'm calling again!! Move forward!

i stopped drinking that years ago
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on November 08, 2017, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 08, 2017, 01:20:14 PM
So are you saying he can only take his holiday when the season is over until they report for training for the new season then? ie; June? And there is football in the summer...next year it is the World Cup, plenty to see there.

He missed a game last night but will see the video of it. Regardless of what we all think he deserves a break; half his 1st team are on International duty and the other half are on the beach early.....

Give the guy a break. You never know he might just have a bright idea!

This is sounding like a Blackadder skit:

Pulis: "I have a cunning idea, mylord"
Blackadder: "What's that, Pulis?"
Pulis: "We punt long balls to the big guy up front"
Blackadder: "...."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on November 08, 2017, 03:21:29 PM
5 minutes later:

Pulis: "I have a cunning idea, mylord"
Blackadder: "What's that, Pulis?"
Pulis: "We punt long balls to the big guy up front"
Blackadder: "...."

Repeat on perpetual loop.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 08, 2017, 03:25:50 PM
I don't get this he holidays at this time every year, is there an international break every November?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on November 08, 2017, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 08, 2017, 03:25:50 PM
I don't get this he holidays at this time every year, is there an international break every November?

Yes there is
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on November 08, 2017, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 08, 2017, 01:12:53 PM
There are all kinds of modern technology for him to watch players, he as coaching staff to coach the kids, I don't blame him having a short break, you never know it might help him to find an attacking formula. :o

That would take a miracle of biblical proportions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 08, 2017, 05:37:33 PM
No other names mentioned until the jobs free , site rules.
Thanks guys
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 08, 2017, 06:47:57 PM
Having thought long and hard about it, I actually agree with Jacko (that is a miracle in itself, he'll no doubt agree haha). I think we should keep him until the end of the season, and then shake hands and wish him well. I think some of the hate being spouted is just OTT. The football may not be the best, but you'll struggle to find someone with more experience than TP at this level who would come to WBA. People do need to remember we are a small fish in a big pond. As for some of our fans, well I find them embarrassing to be honest, I've read fans wanting people like Gus Hiddink to come in, anyone that thinks that will happen are just deluded.

The time to move on will be May, and I think you'll find the board are thinking the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 08, 2017, 06:53:33 PM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 08, 2017, 06:47:57 PM

The time to move on will be May, and I think you'll find the board are thinking the same.

If the board had been thinking that then a contract extension wouldn’t have been provided to take him beyond this summer...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 08, 2017, 06:57:25 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 08, 2017, 06:53:33 PM
If the board had been thinking that then a contract extension wouldn’t have been provided to take him beyond this summer...

Things were better when the extension was given..........Pullis has Williams, Goodman and Garlick all backing him, and until that changes he wont be going anywhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 08, 2017, 07:05:40 PM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 08, 2017, 06:47:57 PM
Having thought long and hard about it, I actually agree with Jacko (that is a miracle in itself, he'll no doubt agree haha). I think we should keep him until the end of the season, and then shake hands and wish him well. I think some of the hate being spouted is just OTT. The football may not be the best, but you'll struggle to find someone with more experience than TP at this level who would come to WBA. People do need to remember we are a small fish in a big pond. As for some of our fans, well I find them embarrassing to be honest, I've read fans wanting people like Gus Hiddink to come in, anyone that thinks that will happen are just deluded.

The time to move on will be May, and I think you'll find the board are thinking the same.
Agree with this but he needs some results quick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on November 08, 2017, 07:09:03 PM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 08, 2017, 06:47:57 PM
Having thought long and hard about it, I actually agree with Jacko (that is a miracle in itself, he'll no doubt agree haha). I think we should keep him until the end of the season, and then shake hands and wish him well. I think some of the hate being spouted is just OTT. The football may not be the best, but you'll struggle to find someone with more experience than TP at this level who would come to WBA. People do need to remember we are a small fish in a big pond. As for some of our fans, well I find them embarrassing to be honest, I've read fans wanting people like Gus Hiddink to come in, anyone that thinks that will happen are just deluded.

The time to move on will be May, and I think you'll find the board are thinking the same.

You must be jesting pal, the footballs not the best? I challenge you to find a proffesional team that plays worse football than we do, not only do we play the worst football in Britain we now are now one of the worst form teams in Britain and the manager in charge looks completely clueless how to stop the rot (both performance & results wise)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 08, 2017, 07:10:40 PM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 08, 2017, 06:57:25 PM
Things were better when the extension was given..........Pullis has Williams, Goodman and Garlick all backing him, and until that changes he wont be going anywhere.

I don’t understand your point then. You feel he will leave in the summer, I said they were looking to keep him beyond that as they gave him the contract extension so now you’re saying them backing him means he’ll be going nowhere which was precisely my point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 08, 2017, 07:11:22 PM
Quote from: baggies_24 on November 08, 2017, 07:09:03 PM
You must be jesting pal, the footballs not the best? I challenge you to find a proffesional team that plays worse football than we do, not only do we play the worst football in Britain we now are now one of the worst form teams in Britain and the manager in charge looks completely clueless how to stop the rot (both performance & results wise)

Having seen a few championship games recently, I can tell you that there are worst teams than us about!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 08, 2017, 07:13:14 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 08, 2017, 07:10:40 PM
I don’t understand your point then. You feel he will leave in the summer, I said they were looking to keep him beyond that as they gave him the contract extension so now you’re saying them backing him means he’ll be going nowhere which was precisely my point.

Contracts mean nothing, circumstances dictate the outcome. There is no one better at present to lead us until the end of the season, the summer will be a different kettle of fish all together.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on November 08, 2017, 07:17:25 PM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 08, 2017, 07:11:22 PM
Having seen a few championship games recently, I can tell you that there are worst teams than us about!

Really? Iv watched quite a few championship games and I'd have to say it was quite refreshing to watch both teams go out with attacking intent. I'd honestly say Sunderland who are on a woeful run provide better entertainment than we do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 08, 2017, 08:09:20 PM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 08, 2017, 07:13:14 PM
Contracts mean nothing, circumstances dictate the outcome. There is no one better at present to lead us until the end of the season, the summer will be a different kettle of fish all together.

make your mind up.

you posted that he's the best man for us then you say circumstances dictate the outcome...

Currently, We can't defend, we can't play football or even pass the ball, we can't score, the football is poor/non existant and we ain't getting results.... please feel free to enlighten us on how you think it could possibly get worse?

The form we are in, we are on our way to a relegation battle, relegation will be the worst possible outcome (from a business pov and to the board).... with no signs of us playing any half decent football.

Why must we wait until the end of the season to get rid? It could be too late by then if you work out our final points tally based on form, then who's going to want to come to us?

Pulls has proven that experience means jack sh*te in this game and people have gave up with him, which isn't embarrassing at all, the embarrassing part of all this is to insist on putting trust into a guy that's got us in this situation, to get us out of it when it's clear by all of his excuses that he has no faith in his team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 08, 2017, 08:15:44 PM
Pulis should get until Christmas at least, assess the situation then. When you make panic decisions you end up appointing someone like Pepe Mel.

I remember West Ham being in the relegation zone under Big Sam one season and the fans wanted him out. In the end he kept them up easy. Don't underestimate having someone as experienced as Pulis in this kind of situation. Being in this league is crucial, sticking with Pulis might just be our best chance of staying in it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 08, 2017, 08:23:06 PM
Yes Pulis can probably get us out of this situation, not forgetting he put us there in the first place.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 08, 2017, 08:26:16 PM
he's the wrong manager at the club now, for all the good work JP did for our club he never showed much ambition. now we have a new owner who has taken steps to put our clubs name in Partnership with Palm in a couple of developments and also shown ambition with backing the club with a big spending summer transfer window, yet we have a coach who shows zero ambition on the pitch, the two don't go hand in hand and one will have to go to make this investment worthwhile.
see ya tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 08, 2017, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 08, 2017, 08:26:16 PM
he's the wrong manager at the club now, for all the good work JP did for our club he never showed much ambition. now we have a new owner who has taken steps to put our clubs name in Partnership with Palm in a couple of developments and also shown ambition with backing the club with a big spending summer transfer window, yet we have a coach who shows zero ambition on the pitch, the two don't go hand in hand and one will have to go to make this investment worthwhile.
see ya tone.
Has the new owner put any more money in.......?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 08, 2017, 08:36:33 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on November 08, 2017, 08:33:27 PM
Has the new owner put any more money in.......?
didn't he spend £8m on a player out his own money?
he did after all spend £170m buying the club not use the clubs money. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 08, 2017, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 08, 2017, 08:36:33 PM
didn't he spend £8m on a player out his own money?
he did after all spend £170m buying the club not use the clubs money.
Yes he bought the club. Which player did he spend £8mil on?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 08, 2017, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on November 08, 2017, 08:41:45 PM
Yes he bought the club. Which player did he spend £8mil on?
not sure of his name but ranked one of the best Chinese strikers and he's on loan somewhere. I can recall him scoring a few goals earlier in the season but haven't heard much since. on that note he should fit in with our current strikers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 08, 2017, 08:50:02 PM
This I found from the official site.
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/july/albion-recruit-future-prospect-zhang/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 08, 2017, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 08, 2017, 08:15:44 PM
Pulis should get until Christmas at least, assess the situation then. When you make panic decisions you end up appointing someone like Pepe Mel.

I remember West Ham being in the relegation zone under Big Sam one season and the fans wanted him out. In the end he kept them up easy. Don't underestimate having someone as experienced as Pulis in this kind of situation. Being in this league is crucial, sticking with Pulis might just be our best chance of staying in it.

given what we are seeing to date this season, he's got just as much chance of losing our place in this league too.

As the saying goes, there's no time like the present.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on November 08, 2017, 09:15:03 PM
I've wanted Pulis out of the club longer than most.

However, sacking him now without any decent replacement would be suicide.

He will probably keep us up albeit in a painfully boring way and then we can look to replace him with a more forward thinking manager then.

Sack him now and it's Big Sam. No thanks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 08, 2017, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 08, 2017, 08:26:16 PM
he's the wrong manager at the club now, for all the good work JP did for our club he never showed much ambition. now we have a new owner who has taken steps to put our clubs name in Partnership with Palm in a couple of developments and also shown ambition with backing the club with a big spending summer transfer window, yet we have a coach who shows zero ambition on the pitch, the two don't go hand in hand and one will have to go to make this investment worthwhile.
see ya tone.

I agree he is now the wrong manager. He can't adapt to the multi millionaire modern player and man mange them in such a way as to keep them all motivated. I think he rules with fear - fear of being left out of the team, fear of being isolated and fear of ruining your career. Do it my way or else! This just does not work in any workplace, particularly where a team spirit is so important. He wants desperately to manage the top players but he does not have the tools in his box to do it. He is a lower premium/championship manager used to working on a budget with cheap players. He just can't dine at the top table. His abject tactics betray his insecurities.
The new owner needs to understand this massive limitation and the danger it presents and bring in someone with a reputation for success.
It was a HUGE mistake to extend his contract.
Get rid, put him on gardening leave (so he can't join a rival) and get the best out there he can afford.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 08, 2017, 09:47:44 PM
Quote from: slate on November 08, 2017, 09:15:03 PM
I've wanted Pulis out of the club longer than most.

However, sacking him now without any decent replacement would be suicide.

He will probably keep us up albeit in a painfully boring way and then we can look to replace him with a more forward thinking manager then.

Sack him now and it's Big Sam. No thanks.

not when he's got the chance of the Everton job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 08, 2017, 10:04:04 PM
Quote from: slate on November 08, 2017, 09:15:03 PM
He will probably keep us up albeit in a painfully boring way and then we can look to replace him with a more forward thinking manager then.
If a more forward thinking manager could be a success next season, which I'm sure is the case, then he can be a success for the remainder of this season too. Whenever people think that it's imperative to keep Pulis until the end of the season, it just means his cowardly scaremongering approach is working. We should be resolute in believing that we can have more jam today and not feel like we should wait until tomorrow because of being fearful that something different might not work out.

It's time to reject the turgid, stultifying world we're currently in and embrace a brave new one. This goes for the Board too!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 08, 2017, 10:10:25 PM
What REALLY worries me is that mister Lai doesn't realise how potentially close to a relegation fight we are,if things go seriously wrong and we should get relegated the plan all goes to 5hit and we will see the club as a bad investment which can only lead to SERIOUS problems
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on November 08, 2017, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 08, 2017, 10:04:04 PM
If a more forward thinking manager could be a success next season, which I'm sure is the case, then he can be a success for the remainder of this season too. Whenever people think that it's imperative to keep Pulis until the end of the season, it just means his cowardly scaremongering approach is working. We should be resolute in believing that we can have more jam today and not feel like we should wait until tomorrow because of being fearful that something different might not work out.

It's time to reject the turgid, stultifying world we're currently in and embrace a brave new one. This goes for the Board too!

The problem is the board might not have had Pulis future high on the agenda they probably felt he would dig out a result from sonewhere albeit they know our frustration.

As such maybe they haven't a clue who to replace him with as not prepared for situation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on November 08, 2017, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 08, 2017, 10:04:04 PM
If a more forward thinking manager could be a success next season, which I'm sure is the case, then he can be a success for the remainder of this season too. Whenever people think that it's imperative to keep Pulis until the end of the season, it just means his cowardly scaremongering approach is working. We should be resolute in believing that we can have more jam today and not feel like we should wait until tomorrow because of being fearful that something different might not work out.

It's time to reject the turgid, stultifying world we're currently in and embrace a brave new one. This goes for the Board too!

I absolutely hate this "football" and have done since he came here. We're just a clone of his Stoke team.
Unless a decent manager becomes free now then we are best keeping him until the end of the season to allow for more planning and courtship of a manager that we actually want.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 08, 2017, 11:56:01 PM
Quote from: slate on November 08, 2017, 09:15:03 PM
I've wanted Pulis out of the club longer than most.

However, sacking him now without any decent replacement would be suicide.

He will probably keep us up albeit in a painfully boring way and then we can look to replace him with a more forward thinking manager then.

Sack him now and it's Big Sam. No thanks.

1. We're doing quite nicely committing hari-kari with him at the helm, it couldn't be worse.
I'd happily take our chances.

2. This is a massive assumption that Mr. Williams hasn't got anyone else in his phone book.
We keep dragging out Allardyce and Moyes - who we should not be mentioning by the way so I am stepping away from that firework - but come on. I'm sure the board get it by now that replacing like for like is not the answer.

And, seriously, PULIS HAS TO GO!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 08, 2017, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 08, 2017, 10:10:25 PM
What REALLY worries me is that mister Lai doesn't realise how potentially close to a relegation fight we are,if things go seriously wrong and we should get relegated the plan all goes to 5hit and we will see the club as a bad investment which can only lead to SERIOUS problems

I get this and am very much inclined to agree...  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 09, 2017, 06:29:22 AM
Quote from: slate on November 08, 2017, 11:03:45 PM
We're just a clone of his Stoke team.
Talking of which have you noticed how, despite not having a Delap, we now use the long lobbed throw in as an addition to our woefully few attacking options? [sic]
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on November 09, 2017, 08:22:54 AM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 08, 2017, 11:56:01 PM
1. We're doing quite nicely committing hari-kari with him at the helm, it couldn't be worse.
I'd happily take our chances.

2. This is a massive assumption that Mr. Williams hasn't got anyone else in his phone book.
We keep dragging out Allardyce and Moyes - who we should not be mentioning by the way so I am stepping away from that firework - but come on. I'm sure the board get it by now that replacing like for like is not the answer.

And, seriously, PULIS HAS TO GO!

I absolutely agree that he has to go - if it was up to me then he wouldn't have been here to begin with. I've only been to about 2 games per season for the past couple of seasons and regretted the decision straight afterwards. He's ruined my passion for watching my team play.

I admire your optimism that we could bring someone else in now to keep us up but I just don't see any good options.
It's either:

1) a tried and trusted premier manager of which there is limited options but you probably get more of the same rubbish football
2) take a chance on a premier newbie

Tony Pulis is basically Option 1 and Option 2 could wind up with another Pepe Mel.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on November 09, 2017, 08:24:19 AM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on November 09, 2017, 06:29:22 AM
Talking of which have you noticed how, despite not having a Delap, we now use the long lobbed throw in as an addition to our woefully few attacking options? [sic]

I hadn't noticed. Maybe it's not going far enough?!?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 09, 2017, 08:25:00 AM
rumour has it Big Sams off to the jungle not Everton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 09, 2017, 08:36:31 AM
Quote from: Mo on November 08, 2017, 10:50:20 PM


As such maybe they haven't a clue who to replace him with as not prepared for situation.

I'm not sure I agree with that statement.

I'm pretty sure that there are contingency plans in place.

I'm also pretty sure that media reports that the board aren't convinced that there are readily available replacements available are also true.

If there were lots of suitable head coaches around would, for example:

Leicester have appointed Craig Shakespeare & Claude Puel
West Ham have appointed David Moyes, who has a track record of failure since leaving Everton
& Everton themselves are allegedly considering David Unsworth?

It's always going to be a difficult decision, but IMO, Pulis will go if the board consider that he can no longer motivate the players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2017, 09:01:21 AM
Its likely we will loose the next 2 games and i cant see the bloke being here then, those that say he aint going anywhere take your specs off, hes taking us down. the players dont want to play for him anymore.The atmosphere aint going to help either. i would get Shaky and appleton in now until the end of the season.
the bloke is now starting to rile me with his bull rubbish interviews on top of the worst football i have ever witnessed and yes including the dark days of the late 80s early 90s etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 09, 2017, 09:19:04 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2017, 09:01:21 AM
Its likely we will loose the next 2 games and i cant see the bloke being here then, those that say he aint going anywhere take your specs off, hes taking us down. the players dont want to play for him anymore.The atmosphere aint going to help either. i would get Shaky and appleton in now until the end of the season.
the bloke is now starting to rile me with his bull rubbish interviews on top of the worst football i have ever witnessed and yes including the dark days of the late 80s early 90s etc

How many more ex Albion players do you want as Manager?  When a replacement needs to be done ( like ASAP ) the club need to look at proven managers to keep us in the league. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 09, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2017, 09:01:21 AM
Its likely we will loose the next 2 games and i cant see the bloke being here then, those that say he aint going anywhere take your specs off, hes taking us down. the players dont want to play for him anymore.The atmosphere aint going to help either. i would get Shaky and appleton in now until the end of the season.
the bloke is now starting to rile me with his bull rubbish interviews on top of the worst football i have ever witnessed and yes including the dark days of the late 80s early 90s etc

1. Agreed.
2. Absolutely.
3. That too. Incredibly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 09, 2017, 09:23:23 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 09, 2017, 09:19:04 AM
How many more ex Albion players do you want as Manager?  When a replacement needs to be done ( like ASAP ) the club need to look at proven managers to keep us in the league. 

And thats the whole point....TP is one of the most experienced PL managers about. He'll grind out the points required to keep us up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 09, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 09, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
1. Agreed.
2. Absolutely.
3. That too. Incredibly.

Oh dear not the former player path again......Shaky was clueless when he became a manager!! Appleton not proven at PL level......lets put sentiment to one side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 09, 2017, 09:38:52 AM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 09, 2017, 09:23:23 AM
And thats the whole point....TP is one of the most experienced PL managers about. He'll grind out the points required to keep us up.

Where is the evidence for this?

Because like it or not, it's been poor since way before the start of this season.

One of the most experienced managers you say but he can't get a team to play football or even get results by playing scrappy football (as we have all been witnessing).

This whole "Its what he does" theory is completely stupid, people need to wake up, open their eyes and stop being too narrow minded. Things change, nothing lasts forever and it's quite clear to those with an ounce of common sense that he is full of excuses to cover himself before the games even kick off and quite clearly doesn't have a clue what to do to turn things around.

We can either go through the season and guarantee a struggling season, or replace him and have a 50/50 chance of turning things around because even if we got someone in and they got us relegated, based on the season so far it's where we are heading, but we then have a fresh head in charge with a desire to help us out who wants to come here that could possibly improve things (something pulis isn't capable of).

Chances have to be taken, simple as that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 09, 2017, 09:40:22 AM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 09, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
Oh dear not the former player path again......Shaky was clueless when he became a manager!! Appleton not proven at PL level......lets put sentiment to one side.
Shaky had a 100% win rate when he managed us last time ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 09, 2017, 09:44:01 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on November 09, 2017, 09:38:52 AM
Where is the evidence for this?

Because like it or not, it's been poor since way before the start of this season.

One of the most experienced managers you say but he can't get a team to play football or even get results by playing scrappy football (as we have all been witnessing).

This whole "Its what he does" theory is completely stupid, people need to wake up, open their eyes and stop being too narrow minded. Things change, nothing lasts forever and it's quite clear to those with an ounce of common sense that he is full of excuses to cover himself before the games even kick off and quite clearly doesn't have a clue what to do to turn things around.

We can either go through the season and guarantee a struggling season, or replace him and have a 50/50 chance of turning things around because even if we got someone in and they got us relegated, based on the season so far it's where we are heading, but we then have a fresh head in charge with a desire to help us out who wants to come here that could possibly improve things (something pulis isn't capable of).

Chances have to be taken, simple as that.

I am sorry but no one can deny that TP is vastly experienced! He did a sterling job at Stoke, and was well liked by supporters of Palace during hos short tenure there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2017, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 09, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
Oh dear not the former player path again......Shaky was clueless when he became a manager!! Appleton not proven at PL level......lets put sentiment to one side.


i said untill the summer, anybody is better than what we have got. read what i said until the end of the season
we are going down with pulis, its obvious the attacking footballers we have dont want him there
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 09, 2017, 09:47:37 AM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 09, 2017, 09:44:01 AM
I am sorry but no one can deny that TP is vastly experienced! He did a sterling job at Stoke, and was well liked by supporters of Palace during hos short tenure there.

No one is denying he is experienced, but experience isn't everything and it's quite clear he has turned us Into a similar team he turned stoke into.

Just because he is experienced, doesn't for one second mean he is the best man for this job, if he used his experience then we wouldn't be in this position we are in, playing very shocking football, not getting results and a very divided, unhappy fanbase.

Things are getting very boring and stale, very quickly, a change needs to happen imo or regardless of results, the poor football will just cause further tension from the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 09, 2017, 09:54:29 AM
Bet Victor have Pulis down as the next manager to get the axe in the premiership.

Under-fire West Brom boss Tony Pulis has emerged as the new favourite in the Premier League Sack Race after his odds were cut from 4/1 to 2/1.

Chants of “We Want Pulis Out!” rang around the John Smith’s Stadium during and after West Brom’s latest defeat to 10-man Huddersfield, a result which meant the club have registered only four points from their last nine games.

After West Ham axed Slaven Bilic on Monday it was Burnley’s Sean Dyche who found himself as the frontrunner to be the next top-flight manager to leave his post.

The Englishman had been linked with a switch to managerless Everton, but now it looks as if either caretaker David Unsworth (4/9) or Sam Allardyce (5/2) will bag the Merseyside job, meaning Dyche is now out at 10/1 to be the next managerial departure.

Burnley fans breathe a sigh of relief.

Instead, it’s Pulis who has been propelled to the summit, followed by Swansea gaffer Paul Clement at 3/1, with both bosses coming under pressure in recent weeks.

West Brom exploded out of the blocks with two wins from their opening two league games over Bournemouth and Burnley, however the Baggies have since crumbled, failing to win any of their following nine matches.

The club’s rotten run means they have plummeted to 16th in the table, one point above the drop zone.

Meanwhile, it's even worse if you include the end of the previous season, with those their only two victories in a whopping 20 games, 12 of which have ended in defeat.

West Brom’s winless run is likely to continue after the international break as they lock horns with defending champions Chelsea and title-challengers Tottenham...ouch.

Four Premier League bosses have already been discarded this season, and now the league’s seventh longest-serving manager, who is currently catching a tan in Barbados, could be in real danger of becoming the fifth casualty.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on November 09, 2017, 09:56:55 AM
I've been away for a few days - not Barbados sadly - but have kept a watching brief from a distance.
Things have not appeared to change and if anything have only got worse. The level of despair seems to be reaching epidemic proportions and surely those in high office at the club cannot be going around with their eyes closed.
We had hoped for a result at Huddersfield and have now discovered that our awful tactics cannot even grind out any result against 10 men.
I would love to pose some questions to TP;
What do you tell the players prior to going out on the pitch?
Do you realise that if the ball is in the opponents half they are unlikely to score against us, especially if we have it.?
Why do you big other teams up so much?
What are your plans to get us out of the rut we're in?
Can you give some credible idea of where the next points are coming from?
WILL YOU RESIGN?
 
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 09, 2017, 10:03:42 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on November 09, 2017, 09:47:37 AM
No one is denying he is experienced, but experience isn't everything and it's quite clear he has turned us Into a similar team he turned stoke into.

Just because he is experienced, doesn't for one second mean he is the best man for this job, if he used his experience then we wouldn't be in this position we are in, playing very shocking football, not getting results and a very divided, unhappy fanbase.

Things are getting very boring and stale, very quickly, a change needs to happen imo or regardless of results, the poor football will just cause further tension from the fans.

I agree with Big Sam, keep him where he is. We are not bottom of the league and we haven't even been in the bottom 3 this season. We have two tough games coming up, lets see what happens against Newcastle, Palace and Swansea.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 09, 2017, 10:07:37 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2017, 09:01:21 AM
Its likely we will loose the next 2 games and i cant see the bloke being here then, those that say he aint going anywhere take your specs off, hes taking us down. the players dont want to play for him anymore.The atmosphere aint going to help either. i would get Shaky and appleton in now until the end of the season.
the bloke is now starting to rile me with his bull rubbish interviews on top of the worst football i have ever witnessed and yes including the dark days of the late 80s early 90s etc
I'm sure that Shakespeare and Appleton would be absolutely delighted to be offered a six month contract with us   ::) ::) Deluded or what ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 09, 2017, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 09, 2017, 10:03:42 AM
I agree with Big Sam, keep him where he is. We are not bottom of the league and we haven't even been in the bottom 3 this season. We have two tough games coming up,lets see what happens against Newcastle, Palace and Swansea.

people were saying that a couple weeks ago against that last teams we played.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 09, 2017, 10:41:21 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on November 09, 2017, 10:39:34 AM
people were saying that a couple weeks ago against that last teams we played.

I am just glad we have a board of directors who are sensible and patient, unlike our fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on November 09, 2017, 12:19:32 PM
All the names I'm hearing would be no better at keeping us up than Pulis and he isn't doing a good job of doing that either. If we are going to change the manager it has to be for someone who plays more attacking and can keep us in the Premier League. I know we aren't supposed to give names on here even though many are. I have two suggestions. One is German managing at Dortmund and one is Dutch who recently managed in the Prem. I think if we don't change we will a go down and if we don't replace Pulis with the calibre of the two I'm suggesting we will also go down .

Pulis was good for us to begin with and I thank him for that but I'm sick of the media pundits saying "be careful what you wish for". All I and I believe many Albion fans wish for  isn't top 6 or top 10 every season its just playing in the Prem with a little more attacking intent and maybe occasionally a good cup run or a chance of Europa League.

As for the belief that we have the best squad for many years, meh maybe. Some arguments could be made for that except for up front where in my opinion we have had many many better forwards than we have now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 09, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 09, 2017, 10:41:21 AM
I am just glad we have a board of directors who are sensible and patient, unlike our fans.

It ain't the board that are paying to watch the dross each week, the fans have completely every right to be impatient.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2017, 12:21:43 PM
Sorry for the long post folks, but thought I would share an email I sent Monday evening to the chairman and CEO. To date I have not had a response.

Dear Mr Williams,

I am sorry to direct this email to yourself, however I wish to convey to you my frustrations as a fan at the apparent lack of decisive action following what can only be described as an abysmal run of results and form over the last couple of seasons.

Despite results papering over the performances in the first half of last season I have become increasingly frustrated and incensed by the negative approach in which we set out for every single match.

Earlier this year my youngest daughter asked if I would take her to her first football match (she was 7 at the time), so proudly I took her to the very next home game, which was Southampton at home, we subsequently lost the match (not a great surprise) however the manner in which we played the game was simply boring, the atmosphere within the ground had disappeared and at certain points there was aggression shown from our own supporters and we were in the family stand!

My daughter does not want to go to another football match as she found the experience to be boring, instead she now asks me to take her to the cinema!

This is frankly criminal, I remember my cousin taking me to my first match, it was Aston Villa in the FA cup, we lost 2-0 but the atmosphere and experience got me hooked straight away and this is my point, sometimes its ok to lose but it is never good to play negativly if you want to encourage new and existing fans to part with their hard earned cash to come and fill the stadium.

I have looked back at the results and possession stats from the start of last season (from the wba.co.uk website) and they are as I'm sure you already know;

Since the start of last season we have only had more possession than the opposition in 5 matches in all competitions (53 matches in total)

Won 15, Drawn 13, Lost 25

The games we had greater possession last season were;

Leicester (at home) 55% (our highest total for the season) and drew the match

Crystal Palace (at home) 51% and lost the match

Derby (at home) 54% and lost the match

In 5 games we had less than 30% possession

16 games where possession was between 30-39%

15 games where possession was between 40-50%

Last season we have averaged 39.47% possession at home



This season were;

Accrington Stanley (away) 58% (our highest total so far this season) and won the game

Brighton (away) 51% and lost the game

2 games we had less than 30% possession

6 games where possession was between 30-39%

3 games where possession was between 40-50%

This season we have averaged 33.33% possession at home



I remember in an Express and Star article at the start of the year, you stated that your priority would be addressing the falling attendances at the Hawthorns, surely the stats above are the biggest reason why attendances have fallen, I mean average costs of tickets have remained pretty constant, facilities haven't dropped, we have a better squad than previous years. So why are the fans staying away in droves?

Please, please, please act now before it is to late. As I type this email West Ham, Crystal Palace, Everton and Leicester have all taken decisive action, and all these clubs have had better match stats and run of results over a calendar year than we have.



Sincerely
 Always a Baggie



a letter to the chairman, as expected not replied. not my letter might i add but i whole heartedly agree

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Throstletown on November 09, 2017, 12:21:55 PM
I go and watch this turgid, stale, hoof ball dished up out of some kind of loyalty. It hurts and I really can't understand why I do it, but I would rather get relegated fighting than this slow death slide out of the Premiership. It time for change and these pundits should made to watch every minute I have then pass comment.  Without Pulis we have a chance with him our club is doomed we are a joke and play like Stoke
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 09, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
"Despite results papering over the performances in the first half of last season"

Simply not true. As Rafa said once, let's look at the FACTS.

West Brom 4 West Ham 2
Leicester 1 West Brom 2
West Brom 4 Burnley 0
West Brom 3 Watford 1
West Brom 3 Swansea 1
Southampton 1 West Brom 2
West Brom 3 Hull 1
West Brom 3 Arsenal 1

I challenge anyone to say they come out of any of those games and say our performances weren't good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 09, 2017, 12:28:26 PM
Quote from: Throstletown on November 09, 2017, 12:21:55 PM
I go and watch this turgid, stale, hoof ball dished up out of some kind of loyalty. It hurts and I really can't understand why I do it, but I would rather get relegated fighting than this slow death slide out of the Premiership. It time for change and these pundits should made to watch every minute I have then pass comment.  Without Pulis we have a chance with him our club is doomed we are a joke and play like Stoke

Spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 09, 2017, 12:29:27 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 09, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
"Despite results papering over the performances in the first half of last season"

Simply not true. As Rafa said once, let's look at the FACTS.

West Brom 4 West Ham 2
Leicester 1 West Brom 2
West Brom 4 Burnley 0
West Brom 3 Watford 1
West Brom 3 Swansea 1
Southampton 1 West Brom 2
West Brom 3 Hull 1
West Brom 3 Arsenal 1

I challenge anyone to say they come out of any of those games and say our performances weren't good.

They were good, most of them.
They were also last season which means absolutely nothing this year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2017, 12:37:57 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 09, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
"Despite results papering over the performances in the first half of last season"

Simply not true. As Rafa said once, let's look at the FACTS.

West Brom 4 West Ham 2
Leicester 1 West Brom 2
West Brom 4 Burnley 0
West Brom 3 Watford 1
West Brom 3 Swansea 1
Southampton 1 West Brom 2
West Brom 3 Hull 1
West Brom 3 Arsenal 1

I challenge anyone to say they come out of any of those games and say our performances weren't good.


no wins apart from Burnley of who we have played in that list this season. you can harp on all you like but lets look at this seasons facts as rafa might say
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on November 09, 2017, 12:53:09 PM
Last season's results are as much use to us as the 1968 cup final victory.

Pulis reacted that that successful period by signing a new midfield, changing formations and jettisoned several key players (Yacob, Brunt, Phillips...). He also failed to buy an out-and-out striker despite Rondon not scoring a single goal post December. We have a stronger squad and a worse team and I know who is responsible for that.

BTW despite it all I support the board not sacking him at the moment as the potential replacements are thin on the ground. Plus we are likely to lose to Chelsea and Spurs anyway so we may as well get them out of the way first. A shame we didn't go all in for Marco Silver in the summer.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 09, 2017, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 09, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
"Despite results papering over the performances in the first half of last season"

Simply not true. As Rafa said once, let's look at the FACTS.

West Brom 4 West Ham 2
Leicester 1 West Brom 2
West Brom 4 Burnley 0
West Brom 3 Watford 1
West Brom 3 Swansea 1
Southampton 1 West Brom 2
West Brom 3 Hull 1
West Brom 3 Arsenal 1

I challenge anyone to say they come out of any of those games and say our performances weren't good.

As you keep banging on, only this season is relevant.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 09, 2017, 01:17:00 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 09, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
"Despite results papering over the performances in the first half of last season"

Simply not true. As Rafa said once, let's look at the FACTS.

West Brom 4 West Ham 2
Leicester 1 West Brom 2
West Brom 4 Burnley 0
West Brom 3 Watford 1
West Brom 3 Swansea 1
Southampton 1 West Brom 2
West Brom 3 Hull 1
West Brom 3 Arsenal 1

I challenge anyone to say they come out of any of those games and say our performances weren't good.

Last season doesn't matter #apparently.

This season we have yet to 'play well' in any of the games. We suckered toothless Bournemouth and Burnley teams and have been dreadful since.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2017, 01:18:46 PM
A couple of things
1. I really believe our results are driven by the players not TP, I say this because, last season it was when we got to 40 points the players downed tools and TP was incapable of motivating them to get going again. This season the players are not performing to their ability and again however he shuffles them (positions and personnel) it has made zero difference (player power?).
When he goes, for go he must, I wager our players are more than capable of climbing the league rapidly, regardless of who comes in to manage them.

2. legend quotes 8 matches being "entertaining",  in a season and a quarter which is 48 games !
Well, they were wins, entertaining is subjective, winning and entertaining do not go hand in hand.
I think we the fans have become so used to dross that anything else is seen as "entertaining". Puel got the sack from Soton for being boring, I'll hazard a guess that on the boring scale (Now known as the TP scale BTW) they were better than us by a factor of 10, its just Soton fans are used to decent football whereas we ..........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 09, 2017, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on November 09, 2017, 12:53:09 PM
Last season's results are as much use to us as the 1968 cup final victory.

Pulis reacted that that successful period by signing a new midfield, changing formations and jettisoned several key players (Yacob, Brunt, Phillips...). He also failed to buy an out-and-out striker despite Rondon not scoring a single goal post December. We have a stronger squad and a worse team and I know who is responsible for that.

BTW despite it all I support the board not sacking him at the moment as the potential replacements are thin on the ground. Plus we are likely to lose to Chelsea and Spurs anyway so we may as well get them out of the way first. A shame we didn't go all in for Marco Silver in the summer.

I think he's a poor player but Rondon scored against Burnley last May, which was his only goal post December.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 09, 2017, 01:33:38 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2017, 12:21:43 PM
Sorry for the long post folks, but thought I would share an email I sent Monday evening to the chairman and CEO. To date I have not had a response.

Dear Mr Williams,

I am sorry to direct this email to yourself, however I wish to convey to you my frustrations as a fan at the apparent lack of decisive action following what can only be described as an abysmal run of results and form over the last couple of seasons.

Despite results papering over the performances in the first half of last season I have become increasingly frustrated and incensed by the negative approach in which we set out for every single match.

Earlier this year my youngest daughter asked if I would take her to her first football match (she was 7 at the time), so proudly I took her to the very next home game, which was Southampton at home, we subsequently lost the match (not a great surprise) however the manner in which we played the game was simply boring, the atmosphere within the ground had disappeared and at certain points there was aggression shown from our own supporters and we were in the family stand!

My daughter does not want to go to another football match as she found the experience to be boring, instead she now asks me to take her to the cinema!

This is frankly criminal, I remember my cousin taking me to my first match, it was Aston Villa in the FA cup, we lost 2-0 but the atmosphere and experience got me hooked straight away and this is my point, sometimes its ok to lose but it is never good to play negativly if you want to encourage new and existing fans to part with their hard earned cash to come and fill the stadium.

I have looked back at the results and possession stats from the start of last season (from the wba.co.uk website) and they are as I'm sure you already know;

Since the start of last season we have only had more possession than the opposition in 5 matches in all competitions (53 matches in total)

Won 15, Drawn 13, Lost 25

The games we had greater possession last season were;

Leicester (at home) 55% (our highest total for the season) and drew the match

Crystal Palace (at home) 51% and lost the match

Derby (at home) 54% and lost the match

In 5 games we had less than 30% possession

16 games where possession was between 30-39%

15 games where possession was between 40-50%

Last season we have averaged 39.47% possession at home



This season were;

Accrington Stanley (away) 58% (our highest total so far this season) and won the game

Brighton (away) 51% and lost the game

2 games we had less than 30% possession

6 games where possession was between 30-39%

3 games where possession was between 40-50%

This season we have averaged 33.33% possession at home



I remember in an Express and Star article at the start of the year, you stated that your priority would be addressing the falling attendances at the Hawthorns, surely the stats above are the biggest reason why attendances have fallen, I mean average costs of tickets have remained pretty constant, facilities haven't dropped, we have a better squad than previous years. So why are the fans staying away in droves?

Please, please, please act now before it is to late. As I type this email West Ham, Crystal Palace, Everton and Leicester have all taken decisive action, and all these clubs have had better match stats and run of results over a calendar year than we have.



Sincerely
 Always a Baggie



a letter to the chairman, as expected not replied. not my letter might i add but i whole heartedly agree

Not sure why the writer of this letter thinks we drew with Leicester at home last season, we got beat 1-0 ..Rondons backpass/assist to Vardy. We also lost at home the season before 3-2 and the season before that. We drew 2-2 at Leicester the season they won the league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 09, 2017, 02:42:34 PM
"Proven" Premier League manager. I'm guessing that means Alex Ferguson as they have all had the sack for failing at some club at some point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 09, 2017, 03:40:27 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on November 09, 2017, 02:42:34 PM
"Proven" Premier League manager. I'm guessing that means Alex Ferguson as they have all had the sack for failing at some club at some point.

I also think people highly overvalue the difference between the Premiership and other European countries top leagues.

Theres no reason why a person who is successful in La Liga or Serie A can't be successful in the Premiership.

At the end of the day Football is Football (eurgh I sound like Theresa May)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 09, 2017, 04:07:10 PM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 09, 2017, 09:23:23 AM
And thats the whole point....TP is one of the most experienced PL managers about. He'll grind out the points required to keep us up.

You may or may not be right.  None of us know.   We know that Pulis has never been relegated but I can say that in my 46 years on this planet I've never been run over by a car or stung by a bee or hit by lightning.   The past isn't necessarily a guide to the future.

However, even if there was a 100% cast iron guarantee that Pulis can keep us up for the next 5 years, I'd still want him to go.   Life has to be about more than survival.   Living on nothing but water, spinach and cod liver oil may extend my life by a few years but honestly what's the point?   I'd happily watch some exciting football, have a beer and a curry knowing that I'm not optimising my chance of surviving or of Albion surviving but at least I'd enjoy myself...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2017, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: stoxman on November 09, 2017, 04:07:10 PM
You may or may not be right.  None of us know.   We know that Pulis has never been relegated but I can say that in my 46 years on this planet I've never been run over by a car or stung by a bee or hit by lightning.   The past isn't necessarily a guide to the future.

However, even if there was a 100% cast iron guarantee that Pulis can keep us up for the next 5 years, I'd still want him to go.   Life has to be about more than survival.   Living on nothing but water, spinach and cod liver oil may extend my life by a few years but honestly what's the point?   I'd happily watch some exciting football, have a beer and a curry knowing that I'm not optimising my chance of surviving or of Albion surviving but at least I'd enjoy myself...

Oh, Come on Bad mouthing Spinach is not really necessary is it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 09, 2017, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: stoxman on November 09, 2017, 04:07:10 PM
You may or may not be right.  None of us know.   We know that Pulis has never been relegated but I can say that in my 46 years on this planet I've never been run over by a car or stung by a bee or hit by lightning.   The past isn't necessarily a guide to the future.

However, even if there was a 100% cast iron guarantee that Pulis can keep us up for the next 5 years, I'd still want him to go.   Life has to be about more than survival.   Living on nothing but water, spinach and cod liver oil may extend my life by a few years but honestly what's the point?   I'd happily watch some exciting football, have a beer and a curry knowing that I'm not optimising my chance of surviving or of Albion surviving but at least I'd enjoy myself...

bang on! would your rather die on your feet or live on your knees?
pulis has driven away fans in their droves killed the atmosphere, and has ruined our reputation as a football club, we are now just branded boring.

yes he was a necessary evil he kept us up and has bought some fantastic players but he ahs no idea how to use them. he could have gone at the end of 15/16 after a pants run, he should have gone last summer, and now its beyond doubt.

the squad we have with a manager with a different philosophy could entertain and may even bring us some long overdue cup runs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on November 09, 2017, 04:49:35 PM
The reality is whoever we get if Pulis goes soon is probably going to be somebody with a point to prove.

On paper and to lots of the media, we have already hit our ceiling by finishing 10th, they think the premier league is the be all and end all, realistically whoever comes in will probably be able to get us 8th at best. A cup run would be great but you can guarentee every season whoever our manager is, they are told make sure we stay in the premier league.

Obviously a lot of fans know there are other ways to achieve that goal and why cant we have a cup run too, but for clubs like the Albion, a bigger name will probably think they cant really exceed whats already been achieved league wise and is there reputation going to be risked if it dont work out.

Hodgson came at the right time, he had a bad time at Liverpool, had his eyes on the England job and needed to do a steady job, we were right for him as he was for us. Same goes with Pulis, after having 3 or 4 managers / caretakers in barely a year we needed a steady head, he had a potential big court case with fees to pay, was out of work so again it suited both parties.

The next person we get in  needs to come in somewhere, do a good job and set themselves up for another shot at a bigger job.

Despite our owners having a few quid and wanting to raise the profile, i think things will still be business as usual with gradual rather than radical improvements.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on November 09, 2017, 08:40:51 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 09, 2017, 04:09:21 PM
Oh, Come on Bad mouthing Spinach is not really necessary is it.
Its funny, I used to hate spinach,but now I love it, and I thought Pulis was a fantastic appointment at the time, but now I want him gone yesterday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 09, 2017, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 09, 2017, 01:18:46 PM
A couple of things
1. I really believe our results are driven by the players not TP, I say this because, last season it was when we got to 40 points the players downed tools and TP was incapable of motivating them to get going again. This season the players are not performing to their ability and again however he shuffles them (positions and personnel) it has made zero difference (player power?).
When he goes, for go he must, I wager our players are more than capable of climbing the league rapidly, regardless of who comes in to manage them.

2. legend quotes 8 matches being "entertaining",  in a season and a quarter which is 48 games !
Well, they were wins, entertaining is subjective, winning and entertaining do not go hand in hand.
I think we the fans have become so used to dross that anything else is seen as "entertaining". Puel got the sack from Soton for being boring, I'll hazard a guess that on the boring scale (Now known as the TP scale BTW) they were better than us by a factor of 10, its just Soton fans are used to decent football whereas we ..........

Whilst there's definitely some truth to that, it should also be said that he was well known with Stoke for doing the same thing; getting to 40 points and then stopping for the season. I think it's partly because a big part of his strategy is based on motivation which stops at 40 points, whereas this season it has continued for some reason.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wappingbaggie on November 10, 2017, 01:12:27 AM
the 40 points and stop is a proven Pulis phenomena - I've seen stats somewhere on this site  that cover his career at all clubs and prove it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 10, 2017, 01:18:58 AM
We’re going around in circles now. This thread is like Groundhog Day. Maybe we should all take a break like TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 10, 2017, 06:55:18 PM
There's a lot of scaremongering going on with Pulis. It reminds me so much of the remainers with Brexit.

Anyone will have you believe we've been brainwashed into thinking Pulis is the only way (remain) and we can't possibly survive without him (the EU).

It's like de ja vu!

Be careful what you wish for
Better off together
Grass isn't greener
Better the devil you know
Our world will collapse if we part ways
Etc etc etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 10, 2017, 08:04:36 PM
Is Southgate, Tony Pulis in disguise?

 ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on November 10, 2017, 08:18:26 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 10, 2017, 06:55:18 PM
There's a lot of scaremongering going on with Pulis. It reminds me so much of the remainers with Brexit.

Anyone will have you believe we've been brainwashed into thinking Pulis is the only way (remain) and we can't possibly survive without him (the EU).

It's like de ja vu!

Be careful what you wish for
Better off together
Grass isn't greener
Better the devil you know
Our world will collapse if we part ways
Etc etc etc
No need to have a pop at us remainers on this thread too! :-*  My new password at work: "PulisOutNow", I like to make it something I can easily remember.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 10, 2017, 09:28:11 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 10, 2017, 06:55:18 PM
There's a lot of scaremongering going on with Pulis. It reminds me so much of the remainers with Brexit.

Anyone will have you believe we've been brainwashed into thinking Pulis is the only way (remain) and we can't possibly survive without him (the EU).

It's like de ja vu!

Be careful what you wish for
Better off together
Grass isn't greener
Better the devil you know
Our world will collapse if we part ways
Etc etc etc
The thoughts of who's available and who we would choose to replace him are about as appetising as a hard brexit so yes -similarities. It's a football thread, the board are hopefully thinking do we act now (is there someone available who will have a positive impact) or do we get to the summer and act then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2017, 09:45:55 PM
Let's hope he's watching England from his sunbed , 4 points min from next 3 games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2017, 11:34:45 PM
England tonight have raised the bar for you pulis, now let's see what you are capable of like Southgate was doubted. Over to you. Like I say 4 points min from next 3 games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 10, 2017, 11:44:20 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2017, 11:34:45 PM
England tonight have raised the bar for you pulis, now let's see what you are capable of like Southgate was doubted. Over to you. Like I say 4 points min from next 3 games

Roy beat then recently crowned World Champions Germany in their own back yard. Wouldn't read much into a 0-0 friendly home draw with them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 10, 2017, 11:56:46 PM
Take politics away from this board, immediately!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 11, 2017, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2017, 09:45:55 PM
Let's hope he's watching England from his sunbed , 4 points min from next 3 games
He'll have been watching Wales....France have got a bit of talent
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 11, 2017, 04:04:47 PM
Spotted at the darts  :D

https://twitter.com/BornToBeaBaggie/status/929376308471136261

Watch out for the 'you will not pass' at the bottom of the image too  ;)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 11, 2017, 10:31:03 PM
The fixtures don't get easier for us, another really tough game against the champions then a trip to Wembley to play a superb Spurs side. Then we play in form Newcastle who are looking a really good team and tough to beat under Rafa.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 11, 2017, 10:37:47 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 11, 2017, 10:31:03 PM
The fixtures don't get easier for us, another really tough game against the champions then a trip to Wembley to play a superb Spurs side. Then we play in form Newcastle who are looking a really good team and tough to beat under Rafa.

"The fixtures don't get easier for us" - Well, of course not, we had a very kind start to the season in terms of fixtures and Mr Pulis royally f***ed it up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 11, 2017, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 11, 2017, 10:31:03 PM
The fixtures don't get easier for us, another really tough game against the champions then a trip to Wembley to play a superb Spurs side. Then we play in form Newcastle who are looking a really good team and tough to beat under Rafa.
what about the match after those 3, Palace bottom of the league and you haven't bigged them up. :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 11, 2017, 10:41:39 PM
We didn’t do so well in the Sausage Sandwich game on the Danny Baker show. Lost 2-1 to Forest. Not sure we can blame Pulis for it though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 12, 2017, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on November 11, 2017, 10:40:57 PM
what about the match after those 3, Palace bottom of the league and you haven't bigged them up. :o

Palace will be another really tough game, they look a different side under Hodgson. Some big games coming up...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 12, 2017, 12:31:19 PM
well we did nowt in the easier games of past. lets just hope and prey we are coming to the end of the most negative football this club has ever seen
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 12, 2017, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 12, 2017, 12:22:42 PM
Palace will be another really tough game, they look a different side under Hodgson. Some big games coming up...

According to a palace fan I know they are not playing with a recognised striker.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 12, 2017, 01:34:09 PM
The Premier League is really tough this season. Our losses recently have only been by the odd goal, fine margins.

Hopefully we get a bit of luck in the next few games, need to start getting the breaks. Also Pulis needs to change it up a bit, I think he will. The international break has come at the right time, gives everyone a breather.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 12, 2017, 01:43:34 PM
I will take a pounding in the next two if it meant getting rid of the most negative football ever to be seen at the Albion, if hes still here at xmas then he will take us down because his only plan aint even working now. set pieces his forte of the past was his only saving grace.The bloke aint got a clue. I don't care what anybody says oh you should support your team blah blah, I know how I feel about the Albion and I want him gone
We should be streets ahaead of the Brightons and Hudderfields but oh know he aint got a clue with quite possibly the best bunch of footballers since the days of Regis Cunningham etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2017, 03:02:57 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 12, 2017, 01:34:09 PM
The Premier League is really tough this season. Our losses recently have only been by the odd goal, fine margins.

Hopefully we get a bit of luck in the next few games, need to start getting the breaks. Also Pulis needs to change it up a bit, I think he will. The international break has come at the right time, gives everyone a breather.

I'd say the complete opposite, the premier league is full of dirge. Hence why a team as extremely limited as Burnley is doing so well. You have the top 6 who will finish well ahead of everyone else, then there's absolute dross throughout the league this year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 12, 2017, 03:12:36 PM
Quote from: Dan on November 12, 2017, 03:02:57 PM
I'd say the complete opposite, the premier league is full of dirge. Hence why a team as extremely limited as Burnley is doing so well. You have the top 6 who will finish well ahead of everyone else, then there's absolute dross throughout the league this year.


Competitive dross nonetheless.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 12, 2017, 03:22:07 PM
The top six have to play the dross as you say,they can't play each other a few times each season can they.
Or cut the premier league in two and have the top 3 in both leagues with 7 of the dross each with a play of to be the champions of england.
Or Europe has literally a champions league,how boring would that be.
I don't know what the answer is but keep it as it is please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 12, 2017, 03:53:17 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 12, 2017, 01:43:34 PM
I will take a pounding in the next two if it meant getting rid of the most negative football ever to be seen at the Albion, if hes still here at xmas then he will take us down because his only plan aint even working now. set pieces his forte of the past was his only saving grace.The bloke aint got a clue. I don't care what anybody says oh you should support your team blah blah, I know how I feel about the Albion and I want him gone
We should be streets ahaead of the Brightons and Hudderfields but oh know he aint got a clue with quite possibly the best bunch of footballers since the days of Regis Cunningham etc
this is the beginning of the end for Pulis mate, its getting a lot of national publicity now how the fans feel about the dirge he dishes up. he's in last chance saloon so he either bucks up or f...s up, he can hide no longer behind his outdated negative trash he calls football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 12, 2017, 04:36:59 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 12, 2017, 01:34:09 PM
The Premier League is really tough this season. Our losses recently have only been by the odd goal, fine margins.

Hopefully we get a bit of luck in the next few games, need to start getting the breaks. Also Pulis needs to change it up a bit, I think he will. The international break has come at the right time, gives everyone a breather.

The premier league is really tough EVERY season, only 3 teams change each season... We have improved the quality of our squad this season by far more than we have previous seasons so that is not an excuse.

We could lose by 1 goal or by 6, a loss is a loss no matter how it's fabricated.

We have had enough luck by having a good handful of fixtures that we should see as winnable games upto now, we f#cked up and failed to take advantage of that.

The only person having a breather is pulis, alot of our players have been on international duty so they ain't had a break as such.

We have Chelsea at home next, can't see us getting anything from it because they are who they are... I can fully accept that, but what I do expect is to see us atleast have a go for 90 mins, not park the bus til the 80th minute then throw our all at the game to then hear the same old excuses from pulis and his fan club on here and social media about how good the opposition are and the completely ridiculous 'fine margin' pathetic excuse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 12, 2017, 05:36:02 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on November 12, 2017, 04:36:59 PM
The premier league is really tough EVERY season, only 3 teams change each season... We have improved the quality of our squad this season by far more than we have previous seasons so that is not an excuse.

We could lose by 1 goal or by 6, a loss is a loss no matter how it's fabricated.

We have had enough luck by having a good handful of fixtures that we should see as winnable games upto now, we f#cked up and failed to take advantage of that.

The only person having a breather is pulis, alot of our players have been on international duty so they ain't had a break as such.

We have Chelsea at home next, can't see us getting anything from it because they are who they are... I can fully accept that, but what I do expect is to see us atleast have a go for 90 mins, not park the bus til the 80th minute then throw our all at the game to then hear the same old excuses from pulis and his fan club on here and social media about how good the opposition are and the completely ridiculous 'fine margin' pathetic excuse.

Sorry don't agree, the way we play leaves Pulis exposed when we don't get a result. Not many complain when we won one nill with one shot on target. The dire football is exposed when we lose with one shot on target.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 12, 2017, 08:26:28 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on November 12, 2017, 05:36:02 PM
Sorry don't agree, the way we play leaves Pulis exposed when we don't get a result. Not many complain when we won one nill with one shot on target. The dire football is exposed when we lose with one shot on target.

But that still doesn't change the fact that a loss is a loss regardless if we lose by 1 or 6, so all these 'fine margins' and 'wonder goals' we lose by are just pointless excuses.

If we wasn't set up so poor and unbalanced with a lack of intention to play football, we could possibly create chances and win by 'fine margins'.

We probably have a better squad than the majority of teams outside of the 'top 6', problem is we don't have the person in charge to match.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 12, 2017, 10:29:17 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 12, 2017, 12:22:42 PM
Palace will be another really tough game, they look a different side under Hodgson. Some big games coming up...

hahahahahaa I get your name now.
Your sense of comedy is the stuff of Legend!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 12, 2017, 10:35:00 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 12, 2017, 01:43:34 PM
I will take a pounding in the next two if it meant getting rid of the most negative football ever to be seen at the Albion, if hes still here at xmas then he will take us down because his only plan aint even working now. set pieces his forte of the past was his only saving grace.The bloke aint got a clue. I don't care what anybody says oh you should support your team blah blah, I know how I feel about the Albion and I want him gone
We should be streets ahaead of the Brightons and Hudderfields but oh know he aint got a clue with quite possibly the best bunch of footballers since the days of Regis Cunningham etc

Bang on. All of it. I suspect we might be about the same age Devon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 13, 2017, 09:09:31 AM
Quote from: adamw1109 on November 12, 2017, 08:26:28 PM
But that still doesn't change the fact that a loss is a loss regardless if we lose by 1 or 6, so all these 'fine margins' and 'wonder goals' we lose by are just pointless excuses.

If we wasn't set up so poor and unbalanced with a lack of intention to play football, we could possibly create chances and win by 'fine margins'.

We probably have a better squad than the majority of teams outside of the 'top 6', problem is we don't have the person in charge to match.
Better to lose one game 6-0 than six games 1-0.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on November 13, 2017, 09:31:42 AM
I think we all know we rarely lose by 'wonder goals' and also other teams keepers don't always make 'world class saves' from, our very limited strikes. The saves at Huddersfield were pretty ordinary and he could probably have thrown his cap on them - not the world class as described on the club site.

We will always concede goals - no team can defend for 90 minutes without a mistake and the Foster is exposed due to lack of activity so he can also spill the ball or flap around. WE have an issue with poor defending from set pieces, which is bizarre as they are often quoted as our best attacking option, so we ought to ,learn how to defend them. We also concede so many daft free kicks late in the game which comes from being tired just chasing the ball about instead of having it and dictating the pace of play.
Odd to see G Mac bringing the ball out of defence last night and playing it through. Brunt looked quite attack minded as well firing in long range shots and his delivery is still really good.
Bet Tone wasn't watching that or he would have been pulling any hairs left clean out. ("What do my players think they're doing? - that's not football") 
Anyway back to reality this week and hopes begin to build for the weekend for an all out attack minded goal fest - then all blown away by Saturday night when normal service resumes.
I'm considering a Bring Back Claudio campaign - anyone in?? He may be a tad defensive but we're better with him and at least he puts himself about - and we lose less when he's there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 13, 2017, 10:04:14 AM
 On some other sites the stayawayers  ( as I call them ) are telling the fans who still go and support the team that we are the problem, we should all stop going and that would force the club to act and then get rid of Pulis.  I want Pulis out as much as anyone now, I gave him a chance but he didn't come up with the goods, but I will always be there to support my team though the good times and the bad times no matter who the manager is.



Hearing now that The chairman of Albion’s minor shareholders has stepped down in protest over head coach Tony Pulis.
Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/13/west-brom-shareholders-chief-quits-in-tony-pulis-protest/#P2HW8o0xAmfpc7cK.99

Is going to the Spurs game though, that's want I can understand with the stayawayers they say I aye going again as long as Pulis is in charge but then get tickets for a game while he is still there.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 13, 2017, 10:13:26 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 13, 2017, 10:04:14 AM
On some other sites the stayawayers  ( as I call them ) are telling the fans who still go and support the team that we are the problem, we should all stop going and that would force the club to act and then get rid of Pulis.  I want Pulis out as much as anyone now, I gave him a chance but he didn't come up with the goods, but I will always be there to support my team though the good times and the bad times no matter who the manager is.



Hearing now that The chairman of Albion’s minor shareholders has stepped down in protest over head coach Tony Pulis.
Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/13/west-brom-shareholders-chief-quits-in-tony-pulis-protest/#P2HW8o0xAmfpc7cK.99

Is going to the Spurs game though, that's want I can understand with the stayawayers they say I aye going again as long as Pulis is in charge but then get tickets for a game while he is still there.



I must have it worse than him, i couldnt either be bothered with huddrsfirld or spurs.i was going to come up this saturday but i cant be bothered.
Maybe hes hoping hes gone by the spurs game
i am very bothered at this time
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 13, 2017, 10:17:24 AM
bet tones feeling the cold this morning
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on November 13, 2017, 10:30:33 AM
I'm not sure that staying away is the answer. It's fairly well acknowledged that players respond better to a crowd that supports them and gets behind them. That is based on away teams playing to 'silence' the crowd and try and gain a more level playing field. That being the case staying away could be detrimental to the players and I don't see anyone blaming them for the current situation.

I have no answer to how to protest but surely those in power at the club can see for themselves what is wrong and cannot sit on their hands forever. TP should be called to account for the level of performance and the results of his work. Neither of these can be claimed as successful and in any business(which we're constantly told it is) the person at the top either falls on his sword or is shown the door. It appears that there is some weakness here with delivering the final blow so the only recourse is that results continue to falter and they are left with no alternative.
They won't bother with the quality of the product if we survive but will eventually wake up to the fact of where our team will subsequently end up if things continue as they are.

So stay away if you want but don't delude yourselves that those on power are bothered. TP won't be either as there will be less people to moan - at the final whistle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 13, 2017, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: Backofthenet on November 13, 2017, 10:30:33 AM
I'm not sure that staying away is the answer. It's fairly well acknowledged that players respond better to a crowd that supports them and gets behind them. That is based on away teams playing to 'silence' the crowd and try and gain a more level playing field. That being the case staying away could be detrimental to the players and I don't see anyone blaming them for the current situation.

I have no answer to how to protest but surely those in power at the club can see for themselves what is wrong and cannot sit on their hands forever. TP should be called to account for the level of performance and the results of his work. Neither of these can be claimed as successful and in any business(which we're constantly told it is) the person at the top either falls on his sword or is shown the door. It appears that there is some weakness here with delivering the final blow so the only recourse is that results continue to falter and they are left with no alternative.
They won't bother with the quality of the product if we survive but will eventually wake up to the fact of where our team will subsequently end up if things continue as they are.

So stay away if you want but don't delude yourselves that those on power are bothered. TP won't be either as there will be less people to moan - at the final whistle.


i couldnt give a toss what anybody thinks, i will come back when the football improves
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 13, 2017, 10:57:52 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 13, 2017, 10:45:33 AM

i couldnt give a toss what anybody thinks, i will come back when the football improves

Glory Hunter. ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 13, 2017, 10:59:09 AM
Don't really care how people that want to protest do it as long as it's legal and safe for others. I don't really like the blaming other fans attitude as it reeks of a superiority complex though.

Like others have said I will continue to go to games and support the team but I want Pulis (and Megson) out.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 13, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
I don't bother going as I don't want to pay £ to be bored.

Its not as a protest. West Bromwich Albion will continue getting TV revenue with or without fans there.

The most effective 'protest' would probably be the classic 'Pulis out' bed sheets at full time on the basis that this would catch the attention of the media.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 13, 2017, 11:23:14 AM
Seems a bizarre opinion to me that the fans are the problem.

The fans were right behind the team after that great run of results last season but that didn't prevent the team from then putting in inept performance after inept performance to end the season. Similarly, the fans have been on board throughout this season up until the Leicester and Southampton televised games where we once more failed to turn up and that seems to have been the turning point with the majority of fans who were on board previously. So really not sure why anyone would think the fans are the issue, as Jacko has pointed out previously there has been no toxic atmosphere at games to date, it was only really the Huddersfield games where a few chants of Pulis out were commenced. I think the manager has done quite well to have fans on board for this long really, any other manager, a'la Irvine, who had such a poor run of performances and results would have had a far greater reaction in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 13, 2017, 11:33:45 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on November 13, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
I don't bother going as I don't want to pay £ to be bored.

Its not as a protest. West Bromwich Albion will continue getting TV revenue with or without fans there.

The most effective 'protest' would probably be the classic 'Pulis out' bed sheets at full time on the basis that this would catch the attention of the media.
Stoke fans planned a protest in 2006 - "Give Pulis the Red Card" where they were supposed to hold up red cards during the game. Same thing as now, they couldn't stomach the football.
The protest got cancelled at the 11th hour and he ended up lasting another 7 years!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 13, 2017, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 13, 2017, 10:04:14 AM
Hearing now that The chairman of Albion’s minor shareholders has stepped down in protest over head coach Tony Pulis.
Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/13/west-brom-shareholders-chief-quits-in-tony-pulis-protest/#P2HW8o0xAmfpc7cK.99

Is going to the Spurs game though, that's want I can understand with the stayawayers they say I aye going again as long as Pulis is in charge but then get tickets for a game while he is still there.

Neil Reynolds.

The bloke comes across as an absolute bell whiff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 13, 2017, 11:39:43 AM
As an aside, I do worry that we will now struggle to shake the tag that has been given to us thanks to having TP in charge of  'boring Albion' even after he is removed as manager, whenever that may be.

You hear people discussing Stoke and, even with Hughes having sought to bring in ball players like Shaqiri, Bojan, Arnautovic etc they are still labelled on the same terms that they were when Pulis was there. I don't rate Hughes as a manager in the slightest, but I fear that whoever we get in, we will struggle to shake the tag that now adorns us and it depresses me to think that all the exciting, expansive football we have played in the past and our previous reputation for playing that way will be completely lost thanks to 3 years of playing in a negative fashion under Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 13, 2017, 11:58:05 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 13, 2017, 11:39:43 AM
As an aside, I do worry that we will now struggle to shake the tag that has been given to us thanks to having TP in charge of  'boring Albion' even after he is removed as manager, whenever that may be.

You hear people discussing Stoke and, even with Hughes having sought to bring in ball players like Shaqiri, Bojan, Arnautovic etc they are still labelled on the same terms that they were when Pulis was there. I don't rate Hughes as a manager in the slightest, but I fear that whoever we get in, we will struggle to shake the tag that now adorns us and it depresses me to think that all the exciting, expansive football we have played in the past and our previous reputation for playing that way will be completely lost thanks to 3 years of playing in a negative fashion under Pulis.

Don't worry mate reputations can be turned around very quickly in football. If we can get back to having 2 wingers cutting inside to support Rondon and an AM we would be great on the eye. I was watching us in then late 70's and it was great stuff to watch...we can but dream!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 13, 2017, 12:00:13 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 13, 2017, 10:57:52 AM
Glory Hunter. ;D


30 years from devon without a break. i think i deserve one and this is the best possible time :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 13, 2017, 12:56:50 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on November 13, 2017, 11:39:05 AM
Neil Reynolds.

The bloke comes across as an absolute bell whiff.

Is this the same guy who got all bent out of shape because JP wouldn't buy his shares for what he (Reynolds) considered the right price?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 13, 2017, 07:11:03 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 13, 2017, 12:56:50 PM
Is this the same guy who got all bent out of shape because JP wouldn't buy his shares for what he (Reynolds) considered the right price?

Yes chap.

Interestingly enough he resigned as the head of S4A during the summer, although failed to mention it to anyone in the press at the time.

This surprised me as he strikes me as something of an attention seeker.

Still, each unto their own etc.

Sure he's a lovely fella really though :-X .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 13, 2017, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 13, 2017, 03:56:20 PM
As a matter of interest, do you know what the asking price was and what JP was offering?

Not sure but I think I read something about him offering £3,000 per share about three years back.

Don't quote me on this though.

I've absolutely no idea how much Mr Reynolds's shares cost him at the time of purchase or how much he was expecting/hoping for.

What I do know is that there were plenty who sold up as they were happy with what was on offer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 13, 2017, 07:38:51 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on November 13, 2017, 07:11:03 PM
Yes chap.

Interestingly enough he resigned as the head of S4A during the summer, although failed to mention it to anyone in the press at the time.

This surprised me as he strikes me as something of an attention seeker.

Still, each unto their own etc.

Sure he's a lovely fella really though :-X .
Thanks for the confirmation, it's appreciated. Timing of announcing this and linking it to not being given direct access to Mr Lai does seem strange to me. But then again I'm stupid !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 13, 2017, 08:00:13 PM
Just someone looking for attention, nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 14, 2017, 07:20:35 AM
There’s a new article with a bit of an interview in the mail where Pulis says the return of Morrison will see him be able to play the system he wants and the paper interprets that as a 4231 with Moz in the 10 role.

They then mention Chadli and he says he wants to see him working some “chemistry” with Gibbs. I think picking wingers may be start and then if you want chemistry then pick that player. It certainly means that we won’t see Chadli, Burke and Phillips all at the same time and if Burke missing has been the problem (Pulis has referred to this) it would mean Phillips isn’t his first choice which I’m absolutely perplexed by.

So from various interviews it sounds like he wants to play Chadli, Moz and Burke is the attacking midfield trio. It’ll be a step on the right direction but I don’t think it’ll happen. I’m
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 14, 2017, 08:17:57 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 13, 2017, 12:00:13 PM

30 years from devon without a break. i think i deserve one and this is the best possible time :)

Christ, that's a long drive! You must be bursting by now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on November 14, 2017, 09:29:22 AM
He's got 5 games from me to turn it round, else il be jumping to the pulis out camp. Still think he can turn it round though the football will always be turgid

Not been on here for 2 weeks so going to have a read through this thread, probably going to have me sobbing into the soup machine at work though  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 14, 2017, 09:36:48 AM
Quote from: lewisant on November 14, 2017, 07:20:35 AM
There’s a new article with a bit of an interview in the mail where Pulis says the return of Morrison will see him be able to play the system he wants and the paper interprets that as a 4231 with Moz in the 10 role.

They then mention Chadli and he says he wants to see him working some “chemistry” with Gibbs. I think picking wingers may be start and then if you want chemistry then pick that player. It certainly means that we won’t see Chadli, Burke and Phillips all at the same time and if Burke missing has been the problem (Pulis has referred to this) it would mean Phillips isn’t his first choice which I’m absolutely perplexed by.

So from various interviews it sounds like he wants to play Chadli, Moz and Burke is the attacking midfield trio. It’ll be a step on the right direction but I don’t think it’ll happen. I’m
Running out of words?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nickwba1 on November 14, 2017, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on November 13, 2017, 07:17:52 PM
Not sure but I think I read something about him offering £3,000 per share about three years back.

Don't quote me on this though.

I've absolutely no idea how much Mr Reynolds's shares cost him at the time of purchase or how much he was expecting/hoping for.

What I do know is that there were plenty who sold up as they were happy with what was on offer.

Not sure why my previous post was deleted relating to Albionic's comments. However, regarding your post, I sold up early because it was very unlikely that any new owner would need to purchase other's shares apart from Jeremy P. Thus either you can sit with your share any never really gain anything or sell and cash out. However, I'd struggle to find anyone who's invested in the club that felt the valuation Peace was putting on the shares at the time were an accurate valuation of our club. Do I blame Peace? no, it's shrewd business but the constant cover up on the real value of the club began to take the p***.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 14, 2017, 10:51:41 AM
Quote from: lewisant on November 14, 2017, 07:20:35 AM
There’s a new article with a bit of an interview in the mail where Pulis says the return of Morrison will see him be able to play the system he wants and the paper interprets that as a 4231 with Moz in the 10 role.

They then mention Chadli and he says he wants to see him working some “chemistry” with Gibbs. I think picking wingers may be start and then if you want chemistry then pick that player. It certainly means that we won’t see Chadli, Burke and Phillips all at the same time and if Burke missing has been the problem (Pulis has referred to this) it would mean Phillips isn’t his first choice which I’m absolutely perplexed by.

So from various interviews it sounds like he wants to play Chadli, Moz and Burke is the attacking midfield trio. It’ll be a step on the right direction but I don’t think it’ll happen. I’m
Feeling faint at the the thought of 4 attacking players starting a gam............... BUMP!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 14, 2017, 11:13:30 AM
Well if Burke, Mozza and Chadli are playing, it sounds like Phillips is likely to be consigned to stiffs.

If the rumours of a dressing room bust up are correct, it sort of explains that. (not to me but in terms of the TP school of man management)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 14, 2017, 12:01:06 PM
We always seem to struggle without Mozza and Brunt in the team. We need them both in the team, get some pace on the wing again, keep Rondon as our main striker (confidence seems shot to pieces but he's the best we have) and go from there. I would also drop Hegazi and put McAuley alongside Evans to make us a bit more steady at the back. Come on Pulis, I'm on your side still don't let me down!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 14, 2017, 12:14:15 PM
this is getting boring now lets hope chelsea spank his bottom
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 14, 2017, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: Nickwba1 on November 14, 2017, 10:50:40 AM
Not sure why my previous post was deleted relating to Albionic's comments. However, regarding your post, I sold up early because it was very unlikely that any new owner would need to purchase other's shares apart from Jeremy P. Thus either you can sit with your share any never really gain anything or sell and cash out. However, I'd struggle to find anyone who's invested in the club that felt the valuation Peace was putting on the shares at the time were an accurate valuation of our club. Do I blame Peace? no, it's shrewd business but the constant cover up on the real value of the club began to take the p***.

Fair enough chap and I understand your reasoning as not enough is worth more than nothing.

As we're on the subject though I'm genuinely intrigued as to the original price of said shares and how much you would have considered to be a reasonable price when selling, especially given some of the creative accounting surrounding our club's seemingly often guesstimated value.

Ultimately you would have purchased your shares when the club was on it's backside and in greater need than now, as such in an ideal world you should have been taken care of. However, and this is the sticking point, did you buy those shares with a view to selling them on for future profit, or for retaining an interest in the club you love?

If it's the former then you've been royally fkd over, but if it's the latter then whatever the price you exercised your right to sell when you could have kept your stake in the club. As for Mr Reynolds a lot of his posturing over the years has been down right embarrassing, as reflected from comments which I have read from S4A members in the press and other fora.

A direct link to Mr Lai who can't even speak English? Really? In all honesty I can't fathom what he expects as a very minority shareholder in what is now an international enterprise. As for his comments about no longer attending games and then listing those he intends to go to, IMHO he's just made himself look like an utter bell'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 14, 2017, 12:26:08 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 14, 2017, 12:14:15 PM
this is getting boring now lets hope chelsea spank his bottom

Nope, never, as it means Chelsea will be spanking our bottom too.

They may well end up doing it anyway, but I'm completely unpersuaded by your alluded suggestion that we should hope for it.

Fiddlesticks and fudge to Chelsea and COYB  8) .

Self edited:  ;) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 14, 2017, 12:30:32 PM
i have lost the will with this brand of(what can i call it)certainly not part of the beautiful game. the longer this goes on the less chance we have of staying up. i am sure i aint the only one who can take a hit
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 14, 2017, 12:30:38 PM
Someone will correct me if I am wrong here, but I distinctly remember a share issue in the dark days of the early 90's at £1,000 each. If the 'offer/purchase price' by JP was £3,000 approx. then the profit is obvious. From the limited items I read yesterday when I researched the issue briefly, Mr Reynolds had done the maths with the JP valuation and concluded that the shares would be worth between £17,000 to £20,000 each. So regardless of our opinion of him he may have a point....... 

However, I may just be talking out of my hat :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 14, 2017, 01:07:37 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on November 14, 2017, 12:26:08 PM
Nope, never, as it means Chelsea will be spanking our bottom too.

They may well end up doing it anyway, but I'm absolutely ****** if I'm going to hope for it.

**** Chelsea and COYB  8) .
Yeah, hard one. I can see both sides. I always want us to win, but I would also like Pulis out. Problem is, you can't have both. If we start winning, he stays. If we continue losing, we gwt relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 14, 2017, 01:46:51 PM
If we win by playing attractive attacking football and that continues to the end of the season (playing the attractive football not necessarily winning) then I'll be happy for him to stay to the end of his current contract.

If we win playing turgid defensive football, I'll be happy that we've won but I'll still want Pulis out.

If we play attractive attacking football until we are safe then resort to mind-numbing, dull, defensive football I'll still want him out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 14, 2017, 02:02:05 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on November 14, 2017, 01:46:51 PM
If we win by playing attractive attacking football and that continues to the end of the season (playing the attractive football not necessarily winning) then I'll be happy for him to stay to the end of his current contract.

If we win playing turgid defensive football, I'll be happy that we've won but I'll still want Pulis out.

If we play attractive attacking football until we are safe then resort to mind-numbing, dull, defensive football I'll still want him out.
Same, here. I want him gone but can't want us to lose.

Ideally, I would like him to undergo some sort of epiphany and change his approach. If he does and it brings results he can stay for as long as he sticks to it.

If he starts getting results but still plays ultra defensive then I'd stick it until the end of the season, but would pick my games.

If he carries on with the current dross and doesn't get a result then chuck him in the skip and take our chances with someone new.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 14, 2017, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on November 14, 2017, 12:26:08 PM
Nope, never, as it means Chelsea will be spanking our bottom too.

They may well end up doing it anyway, but I'm completely unpersuaded by your alluded suggestion that we should hope for it.

Fiddlesticks and fudge to Chelsea and COYB  8) .

Self edited:  ;) .

Fiddlesticks and fudge, I do love a bit of Alliteration on a Tuesday afternoon,  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Backofthenet on November 14, 2017, 03:54:56 PM
I'm with Setteefeet.
I want to win but obviously would prefer to be entertained.
If we continue in our present mode - which is most likely, it will run it's course anyway and he'll be gone.
I will never want us to lose a match, that is equal to treason in my book.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 14, 2017, 05:34:58 PM
From today's Evening Mail: "West Brom’s Chinese owner Guochuan Lai is flying in for the Chelsea game. He will assess for himself the strength of fan fury as much as the performance and commitment of the players."

For those who want Pulis gone sooner rather than later, this really isn't a time for happy clapping but for Mr Lai to be left unequivocally in no doubt that the tide has well and truly turned, and that it's time for a change of head coach.

Source: Evening Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-honest-assessment-west-13902430)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 14, 2017, 06:16:00 PM
At the end of the day, WHEN Pulis does leave I will thank him for his work in his early stages as I honestly believe he saved us from relegation and he has given us some stability and arguably built our ‘strongest’ squad in recent years.

However I time has come for us both to progress, we need a bit of excitement, I’m not the only fan that wouldn’t mind turning up and seeing us lose as long as we can honestly say we had a go at the opposition, tried to play the right way and actually gave our all.

Just knowing Pulis and the pressure he’s under this weekend, we will probably sneak a 0-0 or a 1-0 win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 14, 2017, 06:26:58 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on November 14, 2017, 06:16:00 PM
At the end of the day, WHEN Pulis does leave I will thank him for his work in his early stages as I honestly believe he saved us from relegation and he has given us some stability and arguably built our ‘strongest’ squad in recent years.

However I time has come for us both to progress, we need a bit of excitement, I’m not the only fan that wouldn’t mind turning up and seeing us lose as long as we can honestly say we had a go at the opposition, tried to play the right way and actually gave our all.

Just knowing Pulis and the pressure he’s under this weekend, we will probably sneak a 0-0 or a 1-0 win.

I want what you are drinking!!

Would be delighted with 3 points against Chelsa - just can't see it. Before and after game Lai needs to hear very loudly what people think of TP and his brand of hoofball. During the game get behind the lads.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 14, 2017, 06:39:13 PM
I think regardless of what people want we have to get behind them before and during the game. If it’s another toothless display with bizarre team and substitutions we can then let Lai and Pulis know what we want.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on November 14, 2017, 07:04:32 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 14, 2017, 05:34:58 PM
From today's Evening Mail: "West Brom’s Chinese owner Guochuan Lai is flying in for the Chelsea game. He will assess for himself the strength of fan fury as much as the performance and commitment of the players."

For those who want Pulis gone sooner rather than later, this really isn't a time for happy clapping but for Mr Lai to be left unequivocally in no doubt that the tide has well and truly turned, and that it's time for a change of head coach.

Source: Evening Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-honest-assessment-west-13902430)

Lai needs to come against Crystal Palace , Newcastle etc not just the top six .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 14, 2017, 09:06:43 PM
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Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 14, 2017, 09:10:01 PM
England were about as boring as us before Friday,hope you watching Pulis a different game plan can work wonders
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 14, 2017, 09:14:35 PM
Quote from: lewisant on November 14, 2017, 06:39:13 PM
I think regardless of what people want we have to get behind them before and during the game. If it’s another toothless display with bizarre team and substitutions we can then let Lai and Pulis know what we want.
So you're happy for one swallow to make a summer then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 14, 2017, 10:21:28 PM
Sorry but I doubt that Lai is making a particular journey to gauge the reaction of fans to Pulis that is merely the interpretation that the B'ham Mail journalist is putting on Lai's attendance. 

The local board is very aware of fans feeling towards Pulis and they will be the key decision makers, Lai will be concerned about our current position because of the threat it poses to his investment but won't be swayed by fan unrest.

In terms of the game against Chelsea I still don't think the board want to fire Pulis but equally there is a realisation that his position is becoming untenable. As such anything other than an abject performance won't prompt his dismissal. For sometime I've thought that the Newcastle game at the end of the month would be the crunch game if he fails to win that he is gone always assuming that he doesn't pick up anything from the next two games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on November 14, 2017, 10:26:05 PM
Standman how do you know what Lai thinks,even the local press have nothing on him,none of us know what his mindset is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 14, 2017, 10:55:06 PM
Quote from: AlbionDaz on November 14, 2017, 10:26:05 PM
Standman how do you know what Lai thinks,even the local press have nothing on him,none of us know what his mindset is.

I don't know Lai's mindset. However all the indications is that he has appointed Williams and appears to be letting him get on with the day to running of the club. There is no suggestion that he is micro managing the club from China.

He would appear to be a rational business man with a clear idea about what he wants from the club. He was always likely to attend a game against one of the top 6 that seems to be his habit. So I wouldn't think he is gauging anything that wouldn't be clear from his TV at home in China or wouldn't be confirmed by a couple of phone calls. 30 hours on a plane to hear fan reaction to a likely defeat ain't rational nor particularly good use of his time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 15, 2017, 12:00:24 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-honest-assessment-west-13902430 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-honest-assessment-west-13902430)

West Brom have been the architects of their own downfall during a decline that has left them perilously close to the drop zone. That’s the view of under fire Baggies boss Tony Pulis who knows results must improve - and fast - for him to remain in a job.

Albion sit one point above the bottom three after nine league games with a win and an unwanted habit of conceding late goals. With champions Chelsea visiting the Hawthorns on Saturday, there’s every chance Albion will slip into the relegation zone by the end of the weekend.

It’s a precarious position Pulis believes he and his players should never have got themselves into.

“We’ve been our own worst enemies,” he said.

“We could be sat here with an extra six points easily and nobody would be criticising the three in the middle, the five at the back, the one up front or whatever.

“Looking back at the goals we have conceded, and how late they have been, it has been concentration or individual errors. That’s what has cost us.

“I don’t think it has been anything more than that.

“Even games, you look at Leicester, we have had opportunities to score more goals, and we haven’t taken them, and then got punished.

“That’s what happens. It sometimes goes for you, sometimes it doesn’t, but you have to make sure the players keep a level head and keep doing the right things.

“We have left a lot of points on the pitch.

“I don’t think the performances have been that bad, no-one has given us a hiding.

“Even at Brighton they scored just before and after half time which killed that game.

“We’ve shot ourselves in the foot more than anything else.”

Supporters bitterly criticised Pulis during the defeat to Huddersfield Town before the international break.Public opinion does seem to have turned against the experienced Welshman, as it did in the final throes of his second spell in charge of Stoke City. West Brom’s Chinese owner Guochuan Lai is flying in for the Chelsea game. He will assess for himself the strength of fan fury as much as the performance and commitment of the players.

Pulis is “desperate” to return to winning ways and knows a couple of quick victories could make all the difference.

“You win back to back games and you jump up the table about six or seven places - that’s the league,” he said.

“Even when we win I don’t relax on a Saturday night. I’m thinking of the next game.

“Yeah I want the wins, I’m desperate for the players more than anything else.

“Confidence does ebb away and you don’t want them to be in a situation where they lose confidence.”
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 15, 2017, 12:03:07 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 15, 2017, 12:00:24 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-honest-assessment-west-13902430 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-honest-assessment-west-13902430)

West Brom have been the architects of their own downfall during a decline that has left them perilously close to the drop zone. That’s the view of under fire Baggies boss Tony Pulis who knows results must improve - and fast - for him to remain in a job.

Albion sit one point above the bottom three after nine league games with a win and an unwanted habit of conceding late goals. With champions Chelsea visiting the Hawthorns on Saturday, there’s every chance Albion will slip into the relegation zone by the end of the weekend.

It’s a precarious position Pulis believes he and his players should never have got themselves into.

“We’ve been our own worst enemies,” he said.

“We could be sat here with an extra six points easily and nobody would be criticising the three in the middle, the five at the back, the one up front or whatever.

“Looking back at the goals we have conceded, and how late they have been, it has been concentration or individual errors. That’s what has cost us.

“I don’t think it has been anything more than that.

“Even games, you look at Leicester, we have had opportunities to score more goals, and we haven’t taken them, and then got punished.

“That’s what happens. It sometimes goes for you, sometimes it doesn’t, but you have to make sure the players keep a level head and keep doing the right things.

“We have left a lot of points on the pitch.

“I don’t think the performances have been that bad, no-one has given us a hiding.

“Even at Brighton they scored just before and after half time which killed that game.

“We’ve shot ourselves in the foot more than anything else.”

Supporters bitterly criticised Pulis during the defeat to Huddersfield Town before the international break.Public opinion does seem to have turned against the experienced Welshman, as it did in the final throes of his second spell in charge of Stoke City. West Brom’s Chinese owner Guochuan Lai is flying in for the Chelsea game. He will assess for himself the strength of fan fury as much as the performance and commitment of the players.

Pulis is “desperate” to return to winning ways and knows a couple of quick victories could make all the difference.

“You win back to back games and you jump up the table about six or seven places - that’s the league,” he said.

“Even when we win I don’t relax on a Saturday night. I’m thinking of the next game.

“Yeah I want the wins, I’m desperate for the players more than anything else.

“Confidence does ebb away and you don’t want them to be in a situation where they lose confidence.”
his excuses bring to mind a very old saying,hes got a plaster for every sore,begone pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on November 15, 2017, 12:06:37 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 15, 2017, 12:00:24 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-honest-assessment-west-13902430 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-honest-assessment-west-13902430)

West Brom have been the architects of their own downfall during a decline that has left them perilously close to the drop zone. That’s the view of under fire Baggies boss Tony Pulis who knows results must improve - and fast - for him to remain in a job.

Albion sit one point above the bottom three after nine league games with a win and an unwanted habit of conceding late goals. With champions Chelsea visiting the Hawthorns on Saturday, there’s every chance Albion will slip into the relegation zone by the end of the weekend.

It’s a precarious position Pulis believes he and his players should never have got themselves into.

“We’ve been our own worst enemies,” he said.

“We could be sat here with an extra six points easily and nobody would be criticising the three in the middle, the five at the back, the one up front or whatever.

“Looking back at the goals we have conceded, and how late they have been, it has been concentration or individual errors. That’s what has cost us.

“I don’t think it has been anything more than that.

“Even games, you look at Leicester, we have had opportunities to score more goals, and we haven’t taken them, and then got punished.

“That’s what happens. It sometimes goes for you, sometimes it doesn’t, but you have to make sure the players keep a level head and keep doing the right things.

“We have left a lot of points on the pitch.

“I don’t think the performances have been that bad, no-one has given us a hiding.

“Even at Brighton they scored just before and after half time which killed that game.

“We’ve shot ourselves in the foot more than anything else.”

Supporters bitterly criticised Pulis during the defeat to Huddersfield Town before the international break.Public opinion does seem to have turned against the experienced Welshman, as it did in the final throes of his second spell in charge of Stoke City. West Brom’s Chinese owner Guochuan Lai is flying in for the Chelsea game. He will assess for himself the strength of fan fury as much as the performance and commitment of the players.

Pulis is “desperate” to return to winning ways and knows a couple of quick victories could make all the difference.

“You win back to back games and you jump up the table about six or seven places - that’s the league,” he said.

“Even when we win I don’t relax on a Saturday night. I’m thinking of the next game.

“Yeah I want the wins, I’m desperate for the players more than anything else.

“Confidence does ebb away and you don’t want them to be in a situation where they lose confidence.”
What a load of complete garbage! He blames everyone and everything apart from himself, every time he opens is mouth I dislike him even more, Pulis out!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Manc Baggie on November 15, 2017, 12:55:19 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 09, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
"Despite results papering over the performances in the first half of last season"

Simply not true. As Rafa said once, let's look at the FACTS.

West Brom 4 West Ham 2
Leicester 1 West Brom 2
West Brom 4 Burnley 0
West Brom 3 Watford 1
West Brom 3 Swansea 1
Southampton 1 West Brom 2
West Brom 3 Hull 1
West Brom 3 Arsenal 1

I challenge anyone to say they come out of any of those games and say our performances weren't good.

Here's an interesting article which clears up any illusion about what Pulis is all about.
Pulis Out!

http://jonwant.com/football/pulis-post-40-the-stats/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 15, 2017, 06:41:02 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 15, 2017, 12:00:24 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-honest-assessment-west-13902430 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-honest-assessment-west-13902430)

West Brom have been the architects of their own downfall during a decline that has left them perilously close to the drop zone. That’s the view of under fire Baggies boss Tony Pulis who knows results must improve - and fast - for him to remain in a job.

Albion sit one point above the bottom three after nine league games with a win and an unwanted habit of conceding late goals. With champions Chelsea visiting the Hawthorns on Saturday, there’s every chance Albion will slip into the relegation zone by the end of the weekend.

It’s a precarious position Pulis believes he and his players should never have got themselves into.

“We’ve been our own worst enemies,” he said.

“We could be sat here with an extra six points easily and nobody would be criticising the three in the middle, the five at the back, the one up front or whatever.

“Looking back at the goals we have conceded, and how late they have been, it has been concentration or individual errors. That’s what has cost us.

“I don’t think it has been anything more than that.

“Even games, you look at Leicester, we have had opportunities to score more goals, and we haven’t taken them, and then got punished.

“That’s what happens. It sometimes goes for you, sometimes it doesn’t, but you have to make sure the players keep a level head and keep doing the right things.

“We have left a lot of points on the pitch.

“I don’t think the performances have been that bad, no-one has given us a hiding.

“Even at Brighton they scored just before and after half time which killed that game.

“We’ve shot ourselves in the foot more than anything else.”

Supporters bitterly criticised Pulis during the defeat to Huddersfield Town before the international break.Public opinion does seem to have turned against the experienced Welshman, as it did in the final throes of his second spell in charge of Stoke City. West Brom’s Chinese owner Guochuan Lai is flying in for the Chelsea game. He will assess for himself the strength of fan fury as much as the performance and commitment of the players.

Pulis is “desperate” to return to winning ways and knows a couple of quick victories could make all the difference.

“You win back to back games and you jump up the table about six or seven places - that’s the league,” he said.

“Even when we win I don’t relax on a Saturday night. I’m thinking of the next game.

“Yeah I want the wins, I’m desperate for the players more than anything else.

“Confidence does ebb away and you don’t want them to be in a situation where they lose confidence.”

This is the main problem for me, he is so assured of his football philosophy that he doesn't think we've played badly, jesus wept. He doesn't know what to do to change it round hence why he's talking about 'luck' and is laying the blame elsewhere.
No one needs to give us a hiding as we just don't look like scoring more than 1 goal ourselves ( I know we scored 2 against City, but that's just the exception that proves the rule) , we might not have got a hiding but we have still lost. Little to do with fine margins, everything to do with lack of attacking intent.
We hardly attack and when we do it's with so few players that it's pretty pointless as we just get closed out. We've stopped being a threat from corners/set pieces and now look like conceding at least 1 goal every game without the ability to score.
He has said in recent post match interviews about our lack of quality in the final third but who is it who leaves the creative players that we have on the bench?
It's your formation and your tactics, the buck stops with you Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 15, 2017, 09:57:53 AM


“We’ve been our own worst enemies,” he said.

“We could be sat here with an extra six points easily and nobody would be criticising the three in the middle, the five at the back, the one up front or whatever.

[/quote]
Has he not realised that we are allowed 10 outfield players on the pitch? That explains a lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 15, 2017, 10:14:19 AM
Quote from: timdon on November 15, 2017, 09:57:53 AM

“We’ve been our own worst enemies,” he said.

“We could be sat here with an extra six points easily and nobody would be criticising the three in the middle, the five at the back, the one up front or whatever.


Has he not realised that we are allowed 10 outfield players on the pitch? That explains a lot.

But we aye Tone and that is the problem, it is time to say bye bye.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 15, 2017, 10:16:21 AM
The only thing I'm not sure of regarding Pulis is if this thread reaches 1000 posts before he gets the sack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 15, 2017, 10:40:34 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 15, 2017, 10:14:19 AM
But we aye Tone and that is the problem, it is time to say bye bye.
All he's doing is pre-justifying his team selection this Saturday. Obvious he intends to stick with 8 defenders, that's why he's blaming everything but his tactics and formations.If he acknowledges it, he will have to change it and he simply doesn't know how.
He's basically saying that his plan is to do exactly the same thing and cross his fingers!
Clueless coward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on November 15, 2017, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 15, 2017, 10:40:34 AM
All he's doing is pre-justifying his team selection this Saturday. Obvious he intends to stick with 8 defenders, that's why he's blaming everything but his tactics and formations.If he acknowledges it, he will have to change it and he simply doesn't know how.
He's basically saying that his plan is to do exactly the same thing and cross his fingers!
Clueless coward.

Inevitably we will lose 1-0 to a "wonder strike", have one half half-chance and after that game he can point to the utter misfortune of not having stuck our chances away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 15, 2017, 10:48:04 AM
his cronies (so called football coaches) in the backround with clipboards instructing subs make me laugh, what are they telling the footballer about to come on the field of play
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 15, 2017, 12:06:58 PM
Morrison out till Christmas. Big blow to TP's plans. Let's hope he has something up his sleeve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 15, 2017, 12:11:14 PM
If we were pinning all our hopes on a 1 good game in 5 Jimmy Morrison, I would be seriously worried.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 15, 2017, 12:21:04 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 15, 2017, 12:11:14 PM
If we were pinning all our hopes on a 1 good game in 5 Jimmy Morrison, I would be seriously worried.

Ammunition no doubt to carry on using as one of his excuses should the win-less run continue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 15, 2017, 04:20:48 PM
According to the local rag TP is claiming Chadli is still only around 60% fit
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/four-players-could-leave-west-13904807
My BS radar is pinging away like mad ATM and yes BS could also mean he's in TP's bomb squad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 15, 2017, 04:32:30 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on November 15, 2017, 04:20:48 PM
According to the local rag TP is claiming Chadli is still only around 60% fit
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/four-players-could-leave-west-13904807
My BS radar is pinging away like mad ATM and yes BS could also mean he's in TP's bomb squad

60% fit and able to get through another 84 minutes for Belgium last night. Wish Pulis would just be honest for once in his life and say that he doesn't fancy him because he doesn't work 'aaard enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 15, 2017, 05:07:02 PM
Well if he doesnt start i will be spliffing feathers. he could easily do the first half on home soil. pulis you are getting beyond a joke with your excuses. just do one will ya
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on November 15, 2017, 05:20:29 PM
The excuse for his exclusion is poor for me

If he can play 2 games in 4/5 days one for 90 mins and the other for 84 then he is fit enough to be starting for us

Dont believe the excuses and he needs to stop lying to supporters
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wigmore on November 15, 2017, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 15, 2017, 05:07:02 PM
Well if he doesnt start i will be spliffing feathers.
In a non smoking stadium??? :o :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 15, 2017, 05:48:05 PM
at home in me armchair lol. any roads Franksie just said the Chadli not being fit is an old story
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 15, 2017, 05:50:05 PM
Sounds like Chadli needs some top up sessions as a certain ex manager would say.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 15, 2017, 06:11:01 PM
Come on guys - When has he ever been straight with us or the press. He is THE master of excuses. His book of excuses is thicker than War and Peace. We know his standard comment after a defeat is "I can't fault the boys effort, they worked so aard". He would have us all believe we are the unluckiest side on the planet. He is clearly delusional if he believes the rubbish he spouts. And the best of the lot is his "If we had 6 points more no one would be complaining" - How the hell would we have 6 points more when we never look to score a goal. His standard tactic is defend deep, punt the ball and hope for a lucky break, or if that fails, maybe score from a set piece. He has even claimed we need a little luck. Well Tony, when a manager talks like that, and is now relying on luck, the writing is on the wall. What about skill, tactics etc - Think that would be better than relying on luck. But hey, I imagine we will see the same line up this weekend, because the law of averages says we must win one day !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 15, 2017, 06:12:55 PM
Pulis is now delusional if he thinks we haven’t played that bad and have been unlucky. Conceding once late on is unlucky but it’s happened multiple times because we very rarely attack enough to lead by more than one/be equal and when we do lead by more than one he goes into “ultra Pulis” mode.

I’ve spoken to various people that have been far more positive about him than me and they’ve all turned against him and I don’t think his comments are helping.

He’s waffling like a manager that’s hanging on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 15, 2017, 07:36:25 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 15, 2017, 05:07:02 PM
Well if he doesnt start i will be spliffing feathers. he could easily do the first half on home soil. pulis you are getting beyond a joke with your excuses. just do one will ya
Blimey, you smoke strange things down there. What sort of feathers? Is it a good high?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on November 15, 2017, 07:42:51 PM
Surely he must realise it's not just bad luck when we concede late in games. Hasn't it occurred to him it might be because after defending and chasing the opposition and/or the ball for 80+minutes the players are physically and mentally knackered.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on November 15, 2017, 08:27:02 PM
We deserve to have lost every game this season, bar arguably the Bournemouth match. Pulis should be counting himself lucky we aren't sat on 3 points. That comment about fine margins and not having played badly is laughable, the sad thing is I think he really believes it.

As for Chadli, watch his run and assist for Lukaku last night, the fact that he can't get a game for us shows how inept Pulis is. Should be sacked for that decision alone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 15, 2017, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 15, 2017, 12:06:58 PM
Morrison out till Christmas. Big blow to TP's plans. Let's hope he has something up his sleeve.
Morrison has hardly been the first name on Pulis's teamsheet during the latter's time with us, so Pulis making him out to be some kind of lynch-pin or talisman for us doesn't wash with me. Even if you do believe his hogwash, for the team to be so dependent on one player after Pulis has had 5 transfer windows reflects badly on him anyway.

As for claiming Chadli is only 60% fit, that's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 15, 2017, 09:50:28 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on November 15, 2017, 10:16:21 AM
The only thing I'm not sure of regarding Pulis is if this thread reaches 1000 posts before he gets the sack.
I presume you mean 1000 pages - there have been more than 18,000 posts!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 15, 2017, 09:59:31 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 15, 2017, 09:47:48 PM
Morrison has hardly been the first name on Pulis's teamsheet during the latter's time with us, so Pulis making him out to be some kind of lynch-pin or talisman for us doesn't wash with me. Even if you do believe his hogwash, for the team to be so dependent on one player after Pulis has had 5 transfer windows reflects badly on him anyway.

As for claiming Chadli is only 60% fit, that's just ridiculous.
Totally agree about Morrison. With Chadli (and, I'm beginning to fear, Burke) it does look like he is just plain out of favour. The injury/fitness/match sharp/niggle excuses are just irritating
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 15, 2017, 10:32:19 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 15, 2017, 09:47:48 PM
Morrison has hardly been the first name on Pulis's teamsheet during the latter's time with us, so Pulis making him out to be some kind of lynch-pin or talisman for us doesn't wash with me. Even if you do believe his hogwash, for the team to be so dependent on one player after Pulis has had 5 transfer windows reflects badly on him anyway.

As for claiming Chadli is only 60% fit, that's just ridiculous.

Totally agree. Since when has Morrison, who is inconsistent, been a first name on the team sheet under Pulis. He's just making it as one of his many excuses for the poor run.

As for Chadli only being 60% fit, note that the quote comes from Pulis himself, how about Chadli giving an opinion publicly on what he believes is his level of fitness.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 15, 2017, 10:39:31 PM
Pulis trades on the fact that most fans / pundits / press know next to nowt about WBA he can spout rubbish and people swallow it and regurgitate it. When the inevitable split occurs those who are ignorant of the real situation will be incredulous that lil old West Brom can have the audacity to ditch Tone and he will walk into another multi million pound job - 'Kin ludicrous
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 15, 2017, 10:40:05 PM
Cut and pasted from my quote about dementia and heading the ball.
Re: Alan Shearer: Dementia, Football and Me

It was stated that a lot of the ball is now played along the ground and there isn't so much chance to head the ball.
Pulis style is just the opposite, and that is why he relies on set pieces and the players HAVE to head the ball.
It shows that he is way behind the times and is a dinosaur in this game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on November 15, 2017, 10:40:15 PM
Quote from: tommcneill on November 15, 2017, 05:20:29 PM
The excuse for his exclusion is poor for me

If he can play 2 games in 4/5 days one for 90 mins and the other for 84 then he is fit enough to be starting for us

Dont believe the excuses and he needs to stop lying to supporters

This is one of many excuses...
'the amount of money Huddersfield and Brighton have spent is huge' ..you have also been well backed Tone

'playing Leicester on a Monday night put the players out of sinc, and that's why we lost to Southampton' ..Leicester won away at Swansea the same day we lost (pathetically and embarrassingly at southampton'

'we're seriously missing James Morrison, there is no one better in the club at that no.10 role'...yes but you regularly benched him last season and the start of this season??

I do not want him sacked yet as there's no one better out there, in addition he is capable of changing things like he did November to March last year. However he must stop lying and treating us all like idiots.

If we lose to Chelsea and Spurs then he deserves  Newcastle & Palace to save himself. If we've failed to win a  game after Palace  on the  2nd December then he's gone. At this point we'll be firmly in the bottom 3. I don't know who can save us then, nor do the board and that's probably why he's still in charge.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 16, 2017, 12:10:48 AM
Quote from: kanu on November 15, 2017, 10:40:15 PM
This is one of many excuses...
'the amount of money Huddersfield and Brighton have spent is huge' ..you have also been well backed Tone

'playing Leicester on a Monday night put the players out of sinc, and that's why we lost to Southampton' ..Leicester won away at Swansea the same day we lost (pathetically and embarrassingly at southampton'

'we're seriously missing James Morrison, there is no one better in the club at that no.10 role'...yes but you regularly benched him last season and the start of this season??

I do not want him sacked yet as there's no one better out there, in addition he is capable of changing things like he did November to March last year. However he must stop lying and treating us all like idiots.

If we lose to Chelsea and Spurs then he deserves  Newcastle & Palace to save himself. If we've failed to win a  game after Palace  on the  2nd December then he's gone. At this point we'll be firmly in the bottom 3. I don't know who can save us then, nor do the board and that's probably why he's still in charge.

Which is exactly why he doesn't deserve that many games to save himself. We need to act fast to save the club which is more important than Tony's precious little ego. He's had far too long already and is the reason we're in the mess we are. Get rid now, before it's too late!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 16, 2017, 07:22:10 AM
Quote from: kanu on November 15, 2017, 10:40:15 PM
This is one of many excuses...
'the amount of money Huddersfield and Brighton have spent is huge' ..you have also been well backed Tone

'playing Leicester on a Monday night put the players out of sinc, and that's why we lost to Southampton' ..Leicester won away at Swansea the same day we lost (pathetically and embarrassingly at southampton'

'we're seriously missing James Morrison, there is no one better in the club at that no.10 role'...yes but you regularly benched him last season and the start of this season??

I do not want him sacked yet as there's no one better out there, in addition he is capable of changing things like he did November to March last year. However he must stop lying and treating us all like idiots.

If we lose to Chelsea and Spurs then he deserves  Newcastle & Palace to save himself. If we've failed to win a  game after Palace  on the  2nd December then he's gone. At this point we'll be firmly in the bottom 3. I don't know who can save us then, nor do the board and that's probably why he's still in charge.

As above, he doesn't deserve any games to save himself. Playing on a Monday night and then using it as an excuse for the pathetic display on the Saturday is woeful. Tottenham played on the Tuesday away against one of the best teams in the world and still won at the weekend. Going on about the games we dropped points because of decisions or luck is also woeful. Going 2 -0 up on Watford and snatching a draw from the jaws of victory is unforgivable, all down to his management of the game. Losing at Huddersfield is an embarrassment.

What is it now - 3 wins in 23?

No more games - its time to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 16, 2017, 08:11:49 AM
The longer this goes on the more likely it is we will end up needing Tony Pulis to save us from relegation - or someone of that ilk.

Get a new man in now, get a bit of confidence back into the confidence players and see what happens. The drop off for support for Tony Pulis I would argue is down to his sheer predictability. We know how he will pick his formation, we know how he will play without fail and we knlw we aren't looking for a win. Get someone in and give us back our unpredictability.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on November 16, 2017, 08:42:07 AM
Pulis definitely seems like he's getting in his excuses to ensure he gets another job. He's a master at playing the press. Considering I think Pulis is effectively finished here, I'm looking at the board now and thinking I'll be judging them as to how they manage the transition to another manager. They may be over the season, a couple of months or weeks but I'd hope they're lining up one or two options now.

It's so frustrating seeing Chadli, Phillips, Burke and even Yacob not playing when we're crying out for more width, attacking flair and stability at the back (in terms of Yacob).

Football seems so simple sometimes that I wonder whether some coaches try to complicate it in order to make themselves seem more clever or to keep their lives interesting.........?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 16, 2017, 08:57:21 AM
if we get beat in both our next 2 games which is highly likely no way does he deserve anymore games. the longer this goes on the less likely we stay up. the board should also fall on their sword for pussyfooting and not having any plan b, that rings a bell that does
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on November 16, 2017, 09:15:38 AM
I do think Pulis is starting to lose his way a bit.

I remember when we played (and beat) Southampton 2-1 around New Year last season, we played Hull two days later. Pulis was asked about the short time in between the game and tiredness and he said its nonsense, he said if you tell players they are tired they will believe you, he said they have the best job in the world, with all the best after care and you cant use a tired excuse when there are blokes working all hours down pits and in factories.

At the moment he would be much better to say this season we have not got going at all, admit his mistakes in that and acknowledge that the players and himself and his coaching staff have just not been good enough. Not rubbish about bad luck, injuries, etc just say whatever everyone is thinking - not good enough.

You never know with a manager how much of what is said it just for the media (and if that is the case now, as per the above, he isnt using the media well) If he genuinely believes that we are playing decent and have been unlucky then he clearly is now out his depth.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on November 16, 2017, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: darbolina on November 16, 2017, 08:42:07 AM
He's a master at playing the press.

This is so true. I was watching the match of the day highlights of the Huddersfield game and the commentator, Jonathan Pearce said something along the lines of (apologies that I cannot remember the exact quote), "West Brom had a summer transfer budget less than some mid-table Ligue 1 sides". I haven't even bothered to check because I know that is most likely untrue and will also not account for wages.

Perhaps this was an objective comment from Pearce but he is particularly close to Pulis, as seen in interviews, and it just felt to me that it was a member of the press pushing Pulis' adgenda.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 16, 2017, 10:04:52 AM
Respect him less and less with every passing day.
His feeble excuses, constant self contradiction, disrespecting and belittling the fans opinion and failure to shoulder any blame whatsoever, all just confirm what a cowardly little man he his.
He doesn't deserve any more games because he says nothing that suggests he has a plan to stop the rot that he has created. We would have a better chance of a result in the next two games without him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 16, 2017, 10:08:50 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 16, 2017, 10:04:52 AM
Respect him less and less with every passing day.
His feeble excuses, constant self contradiction, disrespecting and belittling the fans opinion and failure to shoulder any blame whatsoever, all just confirm what a cowardly little man he his.
He doesn't deserve any more games because he says nothing that suggests he has a plan to stop the rot that he has created. We would have a better chance of a result in the next two games without him.


I totally agree, they the players would have been up for them whoever we had in charge. the board are just blinkered
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 16, 2017, 10:14:07 AM
Would respect him so much more if he just came out with something like this;

'I wanted to try three holding midfielders as I was worried playing Chadli in the number 10 role and wide players vs 'team x' would leave us too exposed at the back and Chadli out of the game.

On reflection it didn't work out quite as I had planned, as it left us playing too deep and we let 'team x' control the game.

Moving forward we will likely revert back to a conventional 4,2,3,1 formation as it will give us more options going forward'


Very easy;

- Admit mistakes as we are all human and make them
- Be humble
- Don't hide behind excuses
- Be adaptable and pragmatic

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 16, 2017, 10:18:11 AM
Quote from: baggiebof on November 16, 2017, 10:04:45 AM
This is so true. I was watching the match of the day highlights of the Huddersfield game and the commentator, Jonathan Pearce said something along the lines of (apologies that I cannot remember the exact quote), "West Brom had a summer transfer budget less than some mid-table Ligue 1 sides". I haven't even bothered to check because I know that is most likely untrue and will also not account for wages.

Perhaps this was an objective comment from Pearce but he is particularly close to Pulis, as seen in interviews, and it just felt to me that it was a member of the press pushing Pulis' adgenda.

I remember hearing that at the time and thinking, what on earth is he talking about?

We spent around £40m in transfer fees and we are paying the £100k per week for Krycho. I can't see many Ligue 1 sides doing that somehow. Baffling.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 16, 2017, 10:18:56 AM
I think that we all agreed that we had a stellar transfer window this summer - no basement bin bargains or freebies - we acquired a few quality players. However, look at how we have played; that surely cannot be down to the players.

And now we are apparently interested in another striker from abroad [name escapes me but his first name is 'Okay'] and we have rekindled our interest in the Fenebahce midfielder. If true, I wonder who is behind this as I cannot see the club sanctioning any further purchases until our team are playing better with our latest recruits.

We will lose tomorrow on Saturday and Tone will remind us all that they are a top team with quality, current league champions and super super quality. but we worked 'aaaaaard [and still had it shoved up us].

Time to go......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 16, 2017, 10:37:07 AM
Quote from: baggiebof on November 16, 2017, 10:04:45 AM
This is so true. I was watching the match of the day highlights of the Huddersfield game and the commentator, Jonathan Pearce said something along the lines of (apologies that I cannot remember the exact quote), "West Brom had a summer transfer budget less than some mid-table Ligue 1 sides". I haven't even bothered to check because I know that is most likely untrue and will also not account for wages.

Perhaps this was an objective comment from Pearce but he is particularly close to Pulis, as seen in interviews, and it just felt to me that it was a member of the press pushing Pulis' adgenda.

Absolutely spot on.

Below is the actual money spent by all sides in Ligue 1 in the Summer window, it clearly shows what Jonathon Pearce said is rubbish.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/ligue-1/transfers/wettbewerb/FR1
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 16, 2017, 10:47:27 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 16, 2017, 10:18:56 AM
And now we are apparently interested in another striker from abroad [name escapes me but his first name is 'Okay'] and we have rekindled our interest in the Fenebahce midfielder. If true, I wonder who is behind this as I cannot see the club sanctioning any further purchases until our team are playing better with our latest recruits.
I believe the FFP finance rules mean we will have to sell before bringing any one new in as we are up to our wages limit already
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 16, 2017, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 16, 2017, 10:18:56 AM
We will lose tomorrow and Tone will remind us all that they are a top team with quality, current league champions and super super quality. but we worked 'aaaaaard [and still had it shoved up us]. Time to go......
Jeeeeze mate you almost gave this old man a heart attack as all set for my first game in many, many weeks on Saturday not tomorrow!
Had to go off and double/treble check  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 16, 2017, 11:30:05 AM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on November 16, 2017, 10:49:52 AM
Jeeeeze mate you almost gave this old man a heart attack as all set for my first game in many, many weeks on Saturday not tomorrow!
Had to go off and double/treble check  :)

Good point well made!!!

Amended accordingly. To be honest I am not bothered when it is!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 16, 2017, 12:52:21 PM
There are two things mentioned in the last couple of pages that, for me, show Pulis up to be the dinosaur I have always said.

1/ Chadli. Back when Pulis was first starting out as a manager, the internet was not a thing, so when he said a player was injured it was gospel. Now we are able to see easily how many minutes an unfit Chadli has managed for Belgium against decent opposition, and question the validity of that excuse.

2/ Possession. As was mentioned in the Shearer demetia documentary, the English game is developing so that it is played more and more on the floor. Although we are still some way behind our international contemporaries (as seen when the England team play), teams are getting better and better in possession of the ball, making less mistakes. Our game plan is reliant on gifting them possession and waiting for mistakes, so it's only going to get tougher for a team if they play our way.

Both of these are developments which many managers would have kept abreast of and changed with them; the inflexible approach of Pulis, doing the same things he has always done (Austrian hills, fitness excuses, etc) means we are being left behind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 16, 2017, 01:27:39 PM
Quote from: baggiebof on November 16, 2017, 10:04:45 AM
This is so true. I was watching the match of the day highlights of the Huddersfield game and the commentator, Jonathan Pearce said something along the lines of (apologies that I cannot remember the exact quote), "West Brom had a summer transfer budget less than some mid-table Ligue 1 sides". I haven't even bothered to check because I know that is most likely untrue and will also not account for wages.

Perhaps this was an objective comment from Pearce but he is particularly close to Pulis, as seen in interviews, and it just felt to me that it was a member of the press pushing Pulis' adgenda.

They have just repeated that on TalkSport for the love of Christ! Actually they said French second division sides which just makes it even worse!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 16, 2017, 02:24:41 PM
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/911026101?-11200:789:0

 Fake news possibly but not the easiest 2 games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on November 16, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
It's maddening how little much of the press and the 'outside' World know about 'crappy little' Albion at times. I do think Pulis has propagated this a bit recently as it suits his argument that other teams are bigger, have louder fans and/ or are out-spending us - even Brighton and Huddersfield which is laughable.  The fact nobody picks him up on this is tragic in that they don't think it would be newsworthy for Albion to be under-achieving.

There are plenty of easy to find facts out there e.g. according to the following http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/
) we had the 12th highest wage bill last season.  I'm sure that will have increased over the summer and if anything we may have moved up the wages league table. We spent more on transfer fees in one summer than ever before as far as I can recall?

Any metrics we can use, Pulis has been backed more than any other manager I can remember and he's not delivering results (objective) or 'better' football (my subjective measure is more goals and chances created rather lots of aimless possession btw).

Matt Wilson is taking on the mantle of putting the truth out there a bit but it would be so refreshing to see the national press actually get their facts straight on us before painting us as the team with one of the smallest budgets who are still punching above our weight. We've been par for a couple of years under Pulis now in terms of league position. However over a lot of games now, we're falling way below par in terms of points - obviously performances are as poor as for most of Pulis' (hopefully shortening) tenure.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 16, 2017, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: darbolina on November 16, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
It's maddening how little much of the press and the 'outside' World know about 'crappy little' Albion at times. I do think Pulis has propagated this a bit recently as it suits his argument that other teams are bigger, have louder fans and/ or are out-spending us - even Brighton and Huddersfield which is laughable.  The fact nobody picks him up on this is tragic in that they don't think it would be newsworthy for Albion to be under-achieving.

There are plenty of easy to find facts out there e.g. according to the following http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/
) we had the 12th highest wage bill last season.  I'm sure that will have increased over the summer and if anything we may have moved up the wages league table. We spent more on transfer fees in one summer than ever before as far as I can recall?

Any metrics we can use, Pulis has been backed more than any other manager I can remember and he's not delivering results (objective) or 'better' football (my subjective measure is more goals and chances created rather lots of aimless possession btw).

Matt Wilson is taking on the mantle of putting the truth out there a bit but it would be so refreshing to see the national press actually get their facts straight on us before painting us as the team with one of the smallest budgets who are still punching above our weight. We've been par for a couple of years under Pulis now in terms of league position. However over a lot of games now, we're falling way below par in terms of points - obviously performances are as poor as for most of Pulis' (hopefully shortening) tenure.


and whats our owners wealth in the rich league table i wonder
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 16, 2017, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 16, 2017, 02:24:41 PM
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/911026101?-11200:789:0

 Fake news possibly but not the easiest 2 games

To be fair Glyn a chimp could have predicted that......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 16, 2017, 03:17:38 PM
Pulis himself from 2013 confirming he's never changed and never will
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tony+pulis+coaching+methods
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 16, 2017, 03:55:20 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 16, 2017, 08:57:21 AM
if we get beat in both our next 2 games which is highly likely no way does he deserve anymore games. the longer this goes on the less likely we stay up. the board should also fall on their sword for pussyfooting and not having any plan b, that rings a bell that does

I think he will get the Newcastle game regardless of the next two results.  I think the board will almost write off the next two as we aren't expected to beat Chelsea or Spurs whoever is in charge, Newcastle is a game we should be winning and that's ultimately when he will either save or lose his job.

He should have got the bullet after the Huddersfield debacle but Williams doesn't possess the temerity to act decisively.  Infact I'm becoming increasingly concerned about Williams, from the snip bits I've heard from fans who have had meetings with him he just can't seem to fathom any kind of anti-Pulis sentiment.  I myself stayed in the same hotel as the team on the eve of the Everton game last season and Williams and Pulis were sat nearby in the hotel bar.  They spent most of the evening together; drinking, laughing raucously and generally getting on very well, Pulis even planted a goodnight kiss on Williams when he went up to (presumably) bed - a wholly bizarre sight to behold.  Ridiculous to base their relationship on such a small observation but it seems obvious they have a very close working relationship and therefore I believe the conservative Williams will give Pulis as much opportunity as possible to turn things around.  Unfortunately this may cost us.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on November 16, 2017, 05:05:39 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 16, 2017, 01:27:39 PM
They have just repeated that on TalkSport for the love of Christ! Actually they said French second division sides which just makes it even worse!

I do wonder where they get these facts from? I'm not necessarily suggesting that Pulis has leaks in the media which help push his agenda but this comment regarding French clubs must have come from somewhere and looking at the Transfermarkt link posted by HullBaggie - it's simply not true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 16, 2017, 05:17:58 PM
Quote from: baggiebof on November 16, 2017, 05:05:39 PM
I do wonder where they get these facts from? I'm not necessarily suggesting that Pulis has leaks in the media which help push his agenda but this comment regarding French clubs must have come from somewhere and looking at the Transfermarkt link posted by HullBaggie - it's simply not true.

You would surely have thought that someone from the BBC would have considered it and prevented it from being broadcast because you cannot just go round making comments like that which are so far removed from the reality. You can from the fact it was quoted on TalkSport that it has given people distorted views.

If you look at net spend, we have spent more than Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool this summer. Of course the press would never comment on it in that manner as it would not support their pro-Pulis stance
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 16, 2017, 05:56:37 PM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on November 16, 2017, 03:17:38 PM
Pulis himself from 2013 confirming he's never changed and never will
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tony+pulis+coaching+methods
The interview below is from 4 years ago when Pulis was Stoke manager, but what he says in it (with Stoke not having won for 10 games) is pretty much the same as what he's saying now - "we just need a couple of breaks", "the players are working aaaaard". It's like he's a parody of himself.....

Pulis Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vZmvDhFSU)

Please Mr Lai/Williams, finally see Pulis for what he is and do the right thing to put us out of our misery.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 16, 2017, 06:15:04 PM
All the people saying give him until after the Newcastle/Palace game to decide. Why?? If he scraps a win, are we saying all is forgiven?? I don't think so. Most of us have seen enough to say 'Thank you, but goodbye'. I wouldn't accept winning every week if it meant he continued in his trusted negative style. He's had more than long enough to develop his own team. At the end of the day, supporters want to be able to talk about a game in the positive, and have good memories. There's nothing to look forward to when his teams play, regardless of the result.

Taxi !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 16, 2017, 07:29:19 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 15, 2017, 10:14:19 AM
But we aye Tone and that is the problem, it is time to say bye bye.

"No-one would be criticising"?   Yes Tony, I would.  Had we scuffed another few points despite playing dreadful football, cowering behind a wall of defenders and shackling our skilful players I would still want you fired.    If a salesman who had alienated all my customers and dragged down the good name of my business dared to say "you won't fire me while I'm still bringing the sales in" I would soon show him the error of his supposition.  We would be discussing it on the way to the door...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 16, 2017, 07:45:02 PM
does he still have supporters, its getting embaressing on social media, i am starting to feel sorry for him :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on November 16, 2017, 08:02:10 PM
As long as Megson goes as well when Pulis does leave. Promoting Megson to the top job would be a huge mistake.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 16, 2017, 09:12:03 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 16, 2017, 08:02:10 PM
As long as Megson goes as well when Pulis does leave. Promoting Megson to the top job would be a huge mistake.
With hindsight...I agree.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on November 16, 2017, 09:16:31 PM
Quote from: kris_boing on November 16, 2017, 08:02:10 PM
As long as Megson goes as well when Pulis does leave. Promoting Megson to the top job would be a huge mistake.

But what is the alternative?

Site rules need to be bent here. Assuming his position is now close to untenable, we should be able to discuss potential managerial names.
It's a huge deal and one that fans need to consider prior to protest.

I've never wanted Pulis here, however I feel compelled to require him to be here until the end of the season because there are no better options at the moment.

I absolutely want him gone 3 years ago, but give me a better option as I can't see it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 16, 2017, 09:29:05 PM
Quote from: slate on November 16, 2017, 09:16:31 PM
But what is the alternative?

Site rules need to be bent here. Assuming his position is now close to untenable, we should be able to discuss potential managerial names.
It's a huge deal and one that fans need to consider prior to protest.

I've never wanted Pulis here, however I feel compelled to require him to be here until the end of the season because there are no better options at the moment.

I absolutely want him gone 3 years ago, but give me a better option as I can't see it.
Sorry the rule stays , site owners request.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 16, 2017, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: Signor_Maresca on November 16, 2017, 03:55:20 PM
I think he will get the Newcastle game regardless of the next two results.  I think the board will almost write off the next two as we aren't expected to beat Chelsea or Spurs whoever is in charge, Newcastle is a game we should be winning and that's ultimately when he will either save or lose his job.

He should have got the bullet after the Huddersfield debacle but Williams doesn't possess the temerity to act decisively.  Infact I'm becoming increasingly concerned about Williams, from the snip bits I've heard from fans who have had meetings with him he just can't seem to fathom any kind of anti-Pulis sentiment.  I myself stayed in the same hotel as the team on the eve of the Everton game last season and Williams and Pulis were sat nearby in the hotel bar.  They spent most of the evening together; drinking, laughing raucously and generally getting on very well, Pulis even planted a goodnight kiss on Williams when he went up to (presumably) bed - a wholly bizarre sight to behold.  Ridiculous to base their relationship on such a small observation but it seems obvious they have a very close working relationship and therefore I believe the conservative Williams will give Pulis as much opportunity as possible to turn things around.  Unfortunately this may cost us.

That's a truly alarming story. If Williams can't do what's best for the club because of his personal relationship with the manager then it's preposterous. There has to be a slight distance between any manager and direct reportee for this exact reason.

Pulis should be sacked after we lose this weekend. It won't be "thank you and goodbye" from me, it will be "thank f@#! for that." The damage he has done to this club and its reputation will take a long time to wear off. There's nothing to thank him for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 16, 2017, 09:55:48 PM
Quote from: wbawill on November 16, 2017, 09:40:44 PM
That's a truly alarming story. If Williams can't do what's best for the club because of his personal relationship with the manager then it's preposterous. There has to be a slight distance between any manager and direct reportee for this exact reason.

Pulis should be sacked after we lose this weekend. It won't be "thank you and goodbye" from me, it will be "thank f@#! for that." The damage he has done to this club and its reputation will take a long time to wear off. There's nothing to thank him for.
No...Before this weekend. Please give us a chance !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on November 17, 2017, 01:18:43 AM
I'm not anti tp....hanging on by a thread though.

What worries me is grass isn't always greener on the otherside.

And with the style of play we have, bring in a attacking manager and we are DOWN. id go so far as to say il put money on it. relegation is the last thing id ever want but we would go. Too much of a jump to change styles mid season when your style is that drastic.

If pulis does go, can see big sam replacing him as he would be best placed to manage the current squad and the style there used to. Then we are back to square one...and better the devil you know and all that.....

He can turn it around, he will turn it around, and hopefully we give him the boot in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 17, 2017, 01:50:09 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on November 17, 2017, 01:18:43 AM
I'm not anti tp....hanging on by a thread though.

What worries me is grass isn't always greener on the otherside.

And with the style of play we have, bring in a attacking manager and we are DOWN. id go so far as to say il put money on it. relegation is the last thing id ever want but we would go. Too much of a jump to change styles mid season when your style is that drastic.

If pulis does go, can see big sam replacing him as he would be best placed to manage the current squad and the style there used to. Then we are back to square one...and better the devil you know and all that.....

He can turn it around, he will turn it around, and hopefully we give him the boot in the summer.
The grass on our side isn’t green though, is it? It’s more a patchy beige. Has been for a while. I reckon we could with a new gardener. 😉
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 17, 2017, 02:46:05 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on November 17, 2017, 01:18:43 AM
I'm not anti tp....hanging on by a thread though.

What worries me is grass isn't always greener on the otherside.

And with the style of play we have, bring in a attacking manager and we are DOWN. id go so far as to say il put money on it. relegation is the last thing id ever want but we would go. Too much of a jump to change styles mid season when your style is that drastic.

If pulis does go, can see big sam replacing him as he would be best placed to manage the current squad and the style there used to. Then we are back to square one...and better the devil you know and all that.....

He can turn it around, he will turn it around, and hopefully we give him the boot in the summer.

 All the alternatives are more attacking by default purely because it is not possible to be less attacking than Pulis. Hodgson is not regarded as the most attacking of coaches but he managed 40% more shots per game during his tenure than Pulis currently does.

The only reason to be fearful of a change in style is if the squad was incapable of playing it. I would suggest aside from a high press the squad is capable of most adjustments, e.g. pushing 10 yards further up the pitch playing with greater possession or even simply sticking with the deep block but genuinely looking to counter attack.

There is a thread on tactical changes and most of the tweaks suggested would improve us and none are beyond the abilities of our current players.

Pulis is setting the bar so very low coaches who I would have previously regarded as fairly dull are going to look like Cryuff reincarnated by comparison.

The growing fear is not that whoever replaces Pulis will be too radical and take us down but that Pulis will stick around too long which will leave any replacement too big of a mess to sort out and too little time to do it in. 

We have already missed the opportunity of moving him on before the international break and prior to 2 games we are very unlikely to get much out of. Even if he is fired after the Chelsea game any replacement would be unlikely to be in place long enough to have much of an impact on the increasingly critical back to back home games against Newcastle and Palace.

I don't think waiting to the end of the season is an option. If he turns it around sufficiently to survive the board could well bottle it and if he doesn't we are relegated anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 08:07:53 AM
The grass is so very green the other side, some still cling on to his dismal record, they obviously thrive and love turgid
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on November 17, 2017, 08:08:13 AM
He's into his last 48 hours as Albion manager, no going back now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 17, 2017, 08:24:26 AM
Not so long ago we were known as a very tough team to break down, and good at set pieces. Now too many teams are breaking us down, our set pieces have all but dried up  and our attack is virtually non existent. I happen to think that we have one of the strongest squads seen at the Albion for a long time so I don't blame the players.

There is nothing good to say about us at the moment and probably for the first time in a long while I am pretty 'Meh' about going tomorrow..........

Discussed this with a friend last night and got the old 'be careful what you wish for' speech. If we don't change we are going down, playing the worst football even seen. We are an absolute embarrassment to the Premier league. All I want is for the team to go out and play fast, free flowing football inspired by a bloke who knows what he is doing. I used to be a TP supporter, and I can live with being impenetrable, and nicking wins 1-0 from set pieces, and having the occasional sparkling performance, but there is no evidence whatsoever that we can get that back. So its time for change........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on November 17, 2017, 08:24:50 AM
This squad is very much capable of playing a different style of football. I'm not talking man city or Barcelona. Just anything that involves more than 2 shots per game.

Most of our squad are now internationals, some capped a large number of times. Most of them play decent football for their countries so I'm sure they could transition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on November 17, 2017, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: Pie on November 17, 2017, 08:24:50 AM
This squad is very much capable of playing a different style of football. I'm not talking man city or Barcelona. Just anything that involves more than 2 shots per game.

Most of our squad are now internationals, some capped a large number of times. Most of them play decent football for their countries so I'm sure they could transition.

Indeed. Burke offers something different and far more positive on his own for goodness sake!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on November 17, 2017, 09:31:47 AM
Burke will be involved in the group according to Tone..so that's warm up and a last 10 minutes panic substitution when we are 3 down...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 17, 2017, 09:48:49 AM
Quote from: gavinrussell on November 17, 2017, 09:31:47 AM
Burke will be involved in the group according to Tone..so that's warm up and a last 10 minutes panic substitution when we are 3 down...
And then get blamed for the defeat and bombed out again just like Brighton.

What's ironic about Pulis now is that he treats supporters like we are the dinosaurs and that a few results and we'll all be happy as Larry. Well sorry Tone but we don't just go to our game anymore, we watch many games, from many different leagues, we analyse stats and discuss games in detail, so no an extra couple of points against Watford or Leicester would not have made everything alright and neither will a scrappy backs to the wall 1-0 defeat to Chelsea, no matter how aaard we work.
Football has evolved and so have the fans, he is the only one stuck in the dark ages and that's where he will stay.
Pulis out and out now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 17, 2017, 10:01:27 AM
Has anyone seen this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uLUuQaBkXcs

No great surprise....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
dont forget folks he says we have short memories and most of you are keyboard warriors

Monday morning hopefully i will be renewing, shall i sit close to you Kev lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 17, 2017, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
dont forget folks he says we have short memories and most of you are keyboard warriors

Monday morning hopefully i will be renewing, shall i sit close to you Kev lol

Have your leg off and come and join me by all means.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 17, 2017, 10:19:28 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
dont forget folks he says we have short memories and most of you are keyboard warriors

Monday morning hopefully i will be renewing, shall i sit close to you Kev lol

That's possibly the most annoying thing about Pulis;  his patronising and deluded view that we are all single-celled life forms that will happily boing boing and be happy if he somehow scrapes a win despite an obvious lack of plan or style. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2017, 10:26:48 AM
Pulis says we've been disappointing defensively more so than attacking at The Hawthorns and we need to put that right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2017, 10:48:50 AM
"People say the football's been boring but the last two games at The Hawthorns have seen nine goals scored," he said.

"People tell me we're this, that, and the other, look at the league, there are four or five teams who have scored fewer goals than us.

"One of those teams is my home-town club Bournemouth and everyone tells me what great football Bournemouth play and Eddie's done a fantastic job down there.

"It's just what you have to put up with. It's life."

Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/17/tony-pulis-would-understand-if-west-brom-sacked-him/#xRkCfoQ2uHWOoRgX.99
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 17, 2017, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 17, 2017, 10:26:48 AM
Pulis says we've been disappointing defensively more so than attacking at The Hawthorns and we need to put that right.

See he has taken another dose of the NSS tablets........

Attacking? What's that then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 10:50:56 AM
keep the excuses coming, dig that hole Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 17, 2017, 10:58:43 AM
So what happens if we go 2-0 up tomorrow then? Do we hear 'Tony, Tony give us a wave?' or the Glad All Over' tune?

It could happen......... :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 11:00:25 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 17, 2017, 10:58:43 AM
So what happens if we go 2-0 up tomorrow then? Do we hear 'Tony, Tony give us a wave?' or the Glad All Over' tune?

It could happen......... :(


that will be the kids in the Smethwick end
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 17, 2017, 11:19:48 AM
Pulis is a victim of his own success...apparently...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42023968
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 11:23:40 AM
the more you give the more people want,Barbados sun obviously gone to his head
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 17, 2017, 11:27:53 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 17, 2017, 10:26:48 AM
Pulis says we've been disappointing defensively more so than attacking at The Hawthorns and we need to put that right.

He's also full of sh*t and don't have a clue what he's talking about.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 17, 2017, 11:35:54 AM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 17, 2017, 11:19:48 AM
Pulis is a victim of his own success...apparently...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42023968

He's a victim of the fact we have now spent some money on attacking players and he no longer has the excuse of having a side without quality that he can drill to be organised and work 'aaard and people will lap it up because on paper the side doesn't look so great, basically. He doesn't know how to use the attacking players, so they are consigned to being on the bench and becoming disruptive influences behind the scenes as a result and he cannot handle it.

This is the first time I have actually seen him be out of his depth with us. He really does not know what to do anymore which is a concern if we are to keep him into the New Year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 17, 2017, 11:36:45 AM
Quite patronising lately to us fans. We don't have expectations of champagne top 7 pushing football. We want some positive team selections, playing the ball on the ground a bit more more and game plan that looks like we target certain games to win. That's all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 11:37:25 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 17, 2017, 11:35:54 AM
He's a victim of the fact we have now spent some money on attacking players and he no longer has the excuse of having a side without quality that he can drill to be organised and work 'aaard and people will lap it up because on paper the side doesn't look so great, basically. He doesn't know how to use the attacking players, so they are consigned to being on the bench and becoming disruptive influences behind the scenes as a result and he cannot handle it.

This is the first time I have actually seen him be out of his depth with us. He really does not know what to do anymore which is a concern if we are to keep him into the New Year.



raised eyebrow
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 17, 2017, 11:39:47 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 17, 2017, 10:58:43 AM
So what happens if we go 2-0 up tomorrow then? Do we hear 'Tony, Tony give us a wave?' or the Glad All Over' tune?

It could happen......... :(
No, it couldn't.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 17, 2017, 11:56:47 AM
"I don’t want to sound negative but if you’d have started the season and asked me what my team was, I’ve never been four players close to what I wanted it to be so I haven’t given it a good run to see if it could develop," Pulis said. “That’s been my biggest disappointment".

Can anyone enlighten me as to who these 4 players might be, or take a stab as to exactly what his ideal starting 11 is that he has always been 4 players short of? I'm beginning to notice pretty regularly that his recent press statements are quite random and bizarre, which is often the sign of someone who has run out of ideas and is on the slippery slope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 17, 2017, 12:04:03 PM
Quote from: timdon on November 17, 2017, 11:56:47 AM
"I don’t want to sound negative but if you’d have started the season and asked me what my team was, I’ve never been four players close to what I wanted it to be so I haven’t given it a good run to see if it could develop," Pulis said. “That’s been my biggest disappointment".

Can anyone enlighten me as to who these 4 players might be, or take a stab as to exactly what his ideal starting 11 is that he has always been 4 players short of? I'm beginning to notice pretty regularly that his recent press statements are quite random and bizarre, which is often the sign of someone who has run out of ideas and is on the slippery slope.

Well i think it's not true but i'd hazard a guess at Burke, Morrison and Chadli being 3 of them. Couldn't see him picking them all at the same time myself. The fourth is anybody's guess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 17, 2017, 12:06:26 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 17, 2017, 10:48:50 AM
"People say the football's been boring but the last two games at The Hawthorns have seen nine goals scored," he said.

"People tell me we're this, that, and the other, look at the league, there are four or five teams who have scored fewer goals than us.

"One of those teams is my home-town club Bournemouth and everyone tells me what great football Bournemouth play and Eddie's done a fantastic job down there.

"It's just what you have to put up with. It's life."

Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/17/tony-pulis-would-understand-if-west-brom-sacked-him/#xRkCfoQ2uHWOoRgX.99
Every time this buffoon opens his mouth I want to stick my size 9 in it!
We have taken 1 point out of those 2 games and 5 of the goals were scored by the opposition, despite us playing the most defensive turgid football known to man.
If the results had been the same but they were genuine end to end games with both teams going for it, no-one would moan.#
IT IS BORING you clown, perhaps you should stop shouting and bawling (10 seconds after kick off) and actually watch the game now and again.
Pulis out and out now!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 17, 2017, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: timdon on November 17, 2017, 11:56:47 AM
"I don’t want to sound negative but if you’d have started the season and asked me what my team was, I’ve never been four players close to what I wanted it to be so I haven’t given it a good run to see if it could develop," Pulis said. “That’s been my biggest disappointment".

Can anyone enlighten me as to who these 4 players might be, or take a stab as to exactly what his ideal starting 11 is that he has always been 4 players short of? I'm beginning to notice pretty regularly that his recent press statements are quite random and bizarre, which is often the sign of someone who has run out of ideas and is on the slippery slope.

The rant about visiting a kid ill in hospital at the end of the BBC article is certainly bizarre. His erratic behaviour is starting to concern me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on November 17, 2017, 12:41:14 PM
His comments are a pure PR spin operation to try to protect his reputation on a national level. It is laughable that he can point to goals against by the opposition as a sign of exciting football. We have played 11 and scored 9 which isn't good enough, particularly against a run of very kind fixtures. He has averaged less than a goal a game in the premiership throughout his entire managerial career. Those are the cold hard facts. He's correct that we can no longer keep a clean sheet either after he dropped Yacob and signed Livermore but that's hardly a cause for celebration.

Anyone seriously think he won't play the same three in the middle and the wingbacks tomorrow?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on November 17, 2017, 12:46:29 PM
I can't believe the man has the balls to stand there and defend the football we are playing at the moment. Even if he thinks the footballs not been bad how can you defend the results? It's clear as day that he hasn't got a clue how to turn this around, he doesn't know what to do and that's why he needs the boot before he does anymore damage. A loud rendition of Tony Pulis your football is **** needs to be sung tomorrow, the mans a disgrace to the beautiful game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 17, 2017, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on November 17, 2017, 12:41:14 PM
His comments are a pure PR spin operation to try to protect his reputation on a national level. It is laughable that he can point to goals against by the opposition as a sign of exciting football. We have played 11 and scored 9 which isn't good enough, particularly against a run of very kind fixtures. He has averaged less than a goal a game in the premiership throughout his entire managerial career. Those are the cold hard facts. He's correct that we can no longer keep a clean sheet either after he dropped Yacob and signed Livermore but that's hardly a cause for celebration.

Anyone seriously think he won't play the same three in the middle and the wingbacks tomorrow?

Agreed. He's not that stupid.
He knows he's lost the fans and clueless on how to turn things around plus the players seem to want rid of him.
Therefore, he's really making the comments for his future jobs prospects.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 17, 2017, 01:19:31 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 11:37:25 AM


raised eyebrow

We all know Williams will do all he can to keep Pulis at the helm for as long as he can
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 17, 2017, 01:19:31 PM
We all know Williams will do all he can to keep Pulis at the helm for as long as he can


I hope its a ransid atmosphere tomorrow, the rubbish hes come out with today, its a good job i aint coming otherwise i would most likely get thrown out. hes should be banned from english football but him being a media darling will get him another gig
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 17, 2017, 01:30:00 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 17, 2017, 01:19:31 PM
We all know Williams will do all he can to keep Pulis at the helm for as long as he can

Why would he do that Fritzl?

Personally I don't know that. I would like to think that Mr Williams has a successor or two in mind and is planning a smooth transition if required, as opposed to the Everton 'headless chicken' approach......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 17, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 01:28:39 PM

I hope its a ransid atmosphere tomorrow, the rubbish hes come out with today, its a good job i aint coming otherwise i would most likely get thrown out. hes should be banned from english football but him being a media darling will get him another gig

We need you there !!!!!   :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 01:33:37 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on November 17, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
We need you there !!!!!   :o


na its not a good idea i got a short fuse
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 17, 2017, 01:34:18 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 17, 2017, 01:30:00 PM
Why would he do that Fritzl?

Personally I don't know that. I would like to think that Mr Williams has a successor or two in mind and is planning a smooth transition if required, as opposed to the Everton 'headless chicken' approach......

Would hope, if he's a professional befitting of his role, he's been spending the past few weeks wisely !!!!

#PULISOUT
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 17, 2017, 01:35:16 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 01:33:37 PM

na its not a good idea i got a short fuse

Can't be any more than mine during the match !!!  Trouble is too many people just sit there emotionless these days.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on November 17, 2017, 01:35:16 PM
Can't be any more than mine during the match !!!  Trouble is too many people just sit there emotionless these days.....


if i could resist temptation of not having a barrel of beer before kickoff i might come lol.

just to keep you all amused

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/273009/west-brazil
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 17, 2017, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 17, 2017, 01:30:00 PM
Why would he do that Fritzl?

Personally I don't know that. I would like to think that Mr Williams has a successor or two in mind and is planning a smooth transition if required, as opposed to the Everton 'headless chicken' approach......

He's the 'safe pair of hands' that a chairman would love. We have played awful football for 85% of the Pulis reign yet he still extended his contract a couple of months back despite that because he sees Pulis as the man to keep us on the gravy train at all costs. Tells you all you need to know.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on November 17, 2017, 02:09:44 PM
Quotes on the BBC site from Pulis press conference:

"You don't have to tell me results have to get better," added Pulis, who will be without winger Nacer Chadli "for the foreseeable future" because of a thigh injury.

"Last season we stayed in eighth more than any other position in the league.

"We ended up 10th for third time in club's history. It is only the second time since 1967 that we have finished as the top Midlands club."


He just doesn't understand that the fans want to be entertained to some degree
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 17, 2017, 02:20:47 PM
Quote from: slate on November 17, 2017, 02:09:44 PM
Quotes on the BBC site from Pulis press conference:

"You don't have to tell me results have to get better," added Pulis, who will be without winger Nacer Chadli "for the foreseeable future" because of a thigh injury.

"Last season we stayed in eighth more than any other position in the league.

"We ended up 10th for third time in club's history. It is only the second time since 1967 that we have finished as the top Midlands club."


He just doesn't understand that the fans want to be entertained to some degree
He's a teletext manager. Back in the day, if you didn't go to the game you would keep up on teletext and a win was a win, style only mattered to those who actually went to the match.
Nowadays anyone can watch the match via streams, stats are analysed to within an inch of their lives and everyone has access to the full picture. This means fans are far better educated and can see through his constant guff, to the point where it is insulting!

Teletext died out a long time ago, so did Pulis tactics.

Pulis out and out now!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 17, 2017, 02:32:53 PM
Get rid and that's all there is to it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 17, 2017, 03:13:51 PM
It's not difficult to finish the best West Midlands club when we are the only West Midlands club in the top flight. We could have achieved that by finishing bottom. What a pathetic "accolade" he thinks that is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2017, 03:17:09 PM
He does seem on the defensive lately

I'm concerned about our club. Everything is so negative. I'm starting to think it's best we part way with TP if another poor performance and result tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 03:20:15 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 17, 2017, 03:17:09 PM
He does seem on the defensive lately

I'm concerned about our club. Everything is so negative. I'm starting to think it's best we part way with TP if another poor performance and result tomorrow.


not another avatar change lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 03:20:15 PM

not another avatar change lol

To be honest I'm very worried by who we would appoint. That's why I'm so pro Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 17, 2017, 03:36:23 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 17, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
To be honest I'm very worried by who we would appoint. That's why I'm so pro Pulis.

Sounds like Stockholm syndrome...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 17, 2017, 03:37:31 PM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 17, 2017, 03:36:23 PM
Sounds like Stockholm syndrome...
Who's their manager? I'd take him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 17, 2017, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 17, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
To be honest I'm very worried by who we would appoint. That's why I'm so pro Pulis.

Can understand that to a degree.
I have backed him despite misgivings at times.
We looked like we could progress last season until the dire end to it. But, we improved the squad and then had options I hoped he could utilise.
However, this season has been truly abysmal so far despite two wins to start off with to help paper over the cracks. We have wasted so many 'winnable' games in a very favourable starting fixture list knowing that the difficult ones were to come.
Well now those difficult ones are here yet we still failed to have a go at the likes of Brighton, West Ham, Stoke, Southampton and ten man Huddersfield - we never endeavoured to have a go from the start which is unforgivable.
So, the results are now pitiful to go with the performances allied to TP not able to change equates to time up for me.

#PUILS OUT !!!!!   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on November 17, 2017, 03:39:15 PM
It's clear that the majority of Albion fans are now pushing for a parting of the ways between the club and Tony Pulis.

Just a few comments I'd add to a topic thread that seems to increase by about 30 posts a day.

Having just watched todays press conference, I'd have to say I've yet to listen to his comments and views during the media questions without being impressed with the way he handles himself, his straight talking attitude and the majority of his views, and earlier today he did make some valid points.

Other thoughts, would be that virtually all of the genuine football people in the media (excluding the rent a mouth idiots in the media who seem to solely focus on getting a reaction) appear to be of the view that considering the status of the club and financial resources that Pulis is doing a decent job, so it's clear if we do terminate his contract and it were to go belly up, it's not as if we haven't been warned.

I'm of the opinion that yes, we're probably coming to the end of the line though the next steps to be taken by the club hierarchy are far less straight forward than many make out, and part of me actually respects the Albion Board for not yet caving into pressure from the supporters (though the lack of any real dissent against Pulis at any of the home games, at least so far, may be a factor as well) and to pull the trigger at this stage of the season, when the present manager would probably be top of the list of any club outside of the top 8, to be considered to have the experience, expertise and track record to turn things around, is not without risk.

As for how I'd feel if a decision was made to part company, well part of me would feel relief, on the basis the appointment has divided supporters from the start and it would be wonderful to have a united front for the first time in quite a while, but a small part would be quite concerned about any adverse impact in terms of instability while the reorganisation took place (and I'd acknowledge that our present form is poor which is why he's under pressure in the first place!).

I'm not posting this in support of Pulis, but in support of WBA Fc.

Whatever the outcome I just hope it turns out to be the best one for the Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 03:59:47 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 17, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
To be honest I'm very worried by who we would appoint. That's why I'm so pro Pulis.


come on mate the world is full of football men, we have a billionaire owner, if hes serious about protecting his investment and all that why worry
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on November 17, 2017, 04:02:45 PM
I have said previous i actually like Pulis and think he seems a decent genuine bloke.

I also think if he left now, once things had settled down i think it would be seen overall his spell here was a success, stabilised, brought better players, etc.

The problem is the longer it goes on how we are, the more likely that view will change, i would love nothing more than him to change his ways, accomodate the skills and positives of the players we have and approach games differently, but i now think with all things included its perhaps gone too far down the line.

From his constant negative selections to his unusual quotes and interviews i think it all points to that he is losing his way now, that said i think he will be given til xmas to turn things round barring an crazy defeat or situation.

I know we cant discuss names of successors but what i do find odd is the amount of people who think he should stay because there is nobody better available, my dad is of that viewpoint and we have very different opinions on that!

The way i see it is whoever comes in after Pulis has a much better squad to work with than when he came in (and thats credit to Pulis) gone are the likes of Gardner, Olsson, Big Vic, etc whoever comes in has good footballers to work with, i would think it would be many a coaches dream.

I would hope the board when that moment comes have enough about them to make the right appointment, we cant judge them on past decisions as this is their first one, we are a established club in the richest league in the world, we have a good squad, we have a good history, a decent loyal fan base, a good academy, we now pay good wages and good salaries, why wouldnt good coaches be interested in that job?! Most coaches want to work in England or so they say so with the above in our favour, why couldnt we attract a good one?!

We are not going to attract Guardiola, Ancellotti, etc but we will be very appealing to many a good coach, if we have to pay compensation so be it, if you need a better striker than the one you have, you go and buy one, you dont just say well there is nobody available on a free and out of work we may as well just plod on!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: Albion79 on November 17, 2017, 04:02:45 PM
I have said previous i actually like Pulis and think he seems a decent genuine bloke.

I also think if he left now, once things had settled down i think it would be seen overall his spell here was a success, stabilised, brought better players, etc.

The problem is the longer it goes on how we are, the more likely that view will change, i would love nothing more than him to change his ways, accomodate the skills and positives of the players we have and approach games differently, but i now think with all things included its perhaps gone too far down the line.

From his constant negative selections to his unusual quotes and interviews i think it all points to that he is losing his way now, that said i think he will be given til xmas to turn things round barring an crazy defeat or situation.

I know we cant discuss names of successors but what i do find odd is the amount of people who think he should stay because there is nobody better available, my dad is of that viewpoint and we have very different opinions on that!

The way i see it is whoever comes in after Pulis has a much better squad to work with than when he came in (and thats credit to Pulis) gone are the likes of Gardner, Olsson, Big Vic, etc whoever comes in has good footballers to work with, i would think it would be many a coaches dream.

I would hope the board when that moment comes have enough about them to make the right appointment, we cant judge them on past decisions as this is their first one, we are a established club in the richest league in the world, we have a good squad, we have a good history, a decent loyal fan base, a good academy, we now pay good wages and good salaries, why wouldnt good coaches be interested in that job?! Most coaches want to work in England or so they say so with the above in our favour, why couldnt we attract a good one?!

We are not going to attract Guardiola, Ancellotti, etc but we will be very appealing to many a good coach, if we have to pay compensation so be it, if you need a better striker than the one you have, you go and buy one, you dont just say well there is nobody available on a free and out of work we may as well just plod on!


no chance, hes a player
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 17, 2017, 04:11:04 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2017, 03:59:47 PM

come on mate the world is full of football men, we have a billionaire owner, if hes serious about protecting his investment and all that why worry

Glyn the world is full of football men but we have to be careful of getting the right man for the job not just any Pepe, Alan or Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on November 17, 2017, 04:40:14 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 17, 2017, 04:11:04 PM
Glyn the world is full of football men but we have to be careful of getting the right man for the job not just any Pepe, Alan or Tone.

I think its a brilliant job for anyone with half a football brain with the quality of our squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie82 on November 17, 2017, 05:11:58 PM
Quote from: miggybaggy on November 17, 2017, 04:40:14 PM
I think its a brilliant job for anyone with half a football brain with the quality of our squad.

Sorry, our strike force is pathetic and non-existent. We have strength in depth of central defenders and defensive midfielders, doesn't make it a brilliant squad or team. Add Odemwingie and Lukaku and we'd be flying. Pulis doesn't know what he's doing but the team lacks firepower.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2017, 05:16:15 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on November 17, 2017, 05:11:58 PM
Sorry, our strike force is pathetic and non-existent. We have strength in depth of central defenders and defensive midfielders, doesn't make it a brilliant squad or team. Add Odemwingie and Lukaku and we'd be flying. Pulis doesn't know what he's doing but the team lacks firepower.

Worst set of strikers since we've been in PL. Just think one season we had Odemwingie, Lukaku, Long, Fortune..

We desperately need a top striker.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on November 17, 2017, 05:41:35 PM
I heard that Megson had Livermore practising long throw-ins into the box, not aiming at a specific target, for a couple of hours. The players were rolling their eyes.

It's clear that Megson, as well as Pulis, are just neither wanted or needed anymore.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on November 17, 2017, 05:49:24 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on November 17, 2017, 05:11:58 PM
Sorry, our strike force is pathetic and non-existent. We have strength in depth of central defenders and defensive midfielders, doesn't make it a brilliant squad or team. Add Odemwingie and Lukaku and we'd be flying. Pulis doesn't know what he's doing but the team lacks firepower.

I’d love to see any striker playing on his own with the nearest player 50 yards behind with balls flying over your head. They are good players who in a team playing football will come good. I’d take them over Everton, Burnley, Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Brighton and Crystal Palace strikers all day long.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 17, 2017, 05:52:06 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 17, 2017, 03:17:09 PM
I'm concerned about our club. Everything is so negative. I'm starting to think it's best we part way with TP if another poor performance and result tomorrow.
It was only a few days ago that you claimed the fanbase was "very split" over Pulis. If you come over to the dark side too, there will certainly be shades of "et tu, Brute" about it!  ;D

As for Pulis's press conference today, it was another load of total tosh. Talk about desperately dredging up the most obscure of stats in the face of loads of other morfe obvious ones which show the true picture. Ultimately, though, his clear overall message is that of someone who's ready to go, presumably on the basis that he'd get a nice pay-off in the process. Let's not disappoint him, Mr Williams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 17, 2017, 05:55:45 PM
Quote from: baggie82 on November 17, 2017, 05:11:58 PM
Sorry, our strike force is pathetic and non-existent. We have strength in depth of central defenders and defensive midfielders, doesn't make it a brilliant squad or team. Add Odemwingie and Lukaku and we'd be flying. Pulis doesn't know what he's doing but the team lacks firepower.
I think Odemwingie would have long since been in the bomb squad. As for Lukaku, it doesn't matter who's upfront in our side as they don't get proper service and support, so anyone would struggle there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 17, 2017, 06:05:18 PM
He is a lot like a Ferrari owner who leaves it in the garage.
We have a good team and he refuses to use it to its best potential.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 17, 2017, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 17, 2017, 05:52:06 PM
It was only a few days ago that you claimed the fanbase was "very split" over Pulis. If you come over to the dark side too, there will certainly be shades of "et tu, Brute" about it!  ;D

As for Pulis's press conference today, it was another load of total tosh. Talk about desperately dredging up the most obscure of stats in the face of loads of other morfe obvious ones which show the true picture. Ultimately, though, his clear overall message is that of someone who's ready to go, presumably on the basis that he'd get a nice pay-off in the process. Let's not disappoint him, Mr Williams.

His excuses prove he has run out of ideas. He can't coach top talent. He is begging for a pay off. Mr Williams you know you have got to put your 'pal' out of his misery and realise a new dawn...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 17, 2017, 06:33:53 PM
Quote from: slate on November 17, 2017, 02:09:44 PM
Quotes on the BBC site from Pulis press conference:

"You don't have to tell me results have to get better," added Pulis, who will be without winger Nacer Chadli "for the foreseeable future" because of a thigh injury.

"Last season we stayed in eighth more than any other position in the league.

"We ended up 10th for third time in club's history. It is only the second time since 1967 that we have finished as the top Midlands club."


He just doesn't understand that the fans want to be entertained to some degree

What he doesn't understand is, thats all history now. we are concerned with 

A:  Being in a relegation scrap (So how is that having higher expectations Tony)

B: Playing possibly the worse football in the clubs history

He conveniently avoids both issues, and our useless press don't push him on these facts
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on November 17, 2017, 06:55:06 PM
29 pages of comments since the Huddersfield debacle and virtually everyone against Pulis. Really shows the hate for the man and his tactics.
I can't make it tomorrow, so please, someone shout twice as much for me! PULIS OUT!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 17, 2017, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 17, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
To be honest I'm very worried by who we would appoint. That's why I'm so pro Pulis.
Agree with you there Legend.

Williams managers at Blackburn:

Kidd
Souness
Hughes
Ince
Fat Sam

Bit of a mixed bunch to say the least, all British, doesn't cast the net far.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 17, 2017, 07:32:55 PM
That’s my only concern really, I have no faith in us appointing someone any different to Pulis as a replacement, but I’m at the stage now whereby anything has to be better than what we currently have in terms of the way we try to play
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 17, 2017, 07:35:06 PM
Have alluded to this before the only up and coming manager of that lot was Ince. He was sacked after 4 months. Once bitten twice shy. Under this chairman it'll be more of the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on November 17, 2017, 07:52:47 PM
We are not allowed to name replacements but i have got the ideal man to take over, wait until tomorrow about six oclock and i will tell you who it is!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 17, 2017, 07:54:36 PM
At what stage can we name names?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on November 17, 2017, 08:01:03 PM
Maybe Williams wouldn't have the final say on a new manager,if one was needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 17, 2017, 08:12:20 PM
I'd like us to be ambitious when we do replace him. There are a few names I could mention that would take a little convincing but aren't entirely out of reach. I'd rather it be someone that has to be persuaded a little bit rather than jumps at it immediately - says more about their quality!

At this point though? Anyone is an improvement on this numpty. There's more to life than Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 17, 2017, 08:17:03 PM
Quote
Chris Coleman has left his job with Wales to take over at Championship club Sunderland.

Coleman will succeed Simon Grayson, who was sacked after 18 games in charge.

Former defender Coleman succeeded the late Gary Speed as Wales boss and guided them to an historic appearance at Euro 2016, where they reached the semi-finals.

Disappointment followed as Wales failed to reach the 2018 World Cup finals in Russia.

More to follow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 17, 2017, 08:46:37 PM
Fingers crossed Pulis gets approached for the now vacant Wales job!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on November 17, 2017, 08:48:46 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 17, 2017, 08:46:37 PM
Fingers crossed Pulis gets approached for the now vacant Wales job!
The Wales job pays around 15% of pulis current salary. Complete non starter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 17, 2017, 08:52:20 PM
Quote from: albion59 on November 17, 2017, 07:52:47 PM
We are not allowed to name replacements but i have got the ideal man to take over, wait until tomorrow about six oclock and i will tell you who it is!
Is this a military coup (by any other name) against Pulis?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 17, 2017, 09:06:26 PM
Personally very happy Coleman is off the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 17, 2017, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: Sted1990 on November 17, 2017, 08:48:46 PM
The Wales job pays around 15% of pulis current salary. Complete non starter.

Oh don't tell us that you party pooper  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 17, 2017, 09:08:49 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 17, 2017, 09:06:26 PM
Personally very happy Coleman is off the table.
Pulis may take his chance at the job and give us the Spanish archer. (With a bit of luck).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 17, 2017, 09:33:30 PM
No names, just look abroad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 17, 2017, 09:39:42 PM
West Brom boss Tony Pulis believes he is a victim of his own success amid speculation about his future.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42023968

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2017, 09:40:12 PM
I'm guessing Williams first call would be to Big Sam. I don't think we'd go for a name abroad whatsoever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 17, 2017, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 17, 2017, 09:40:12 PM
I'm guessing Williams first call would be to Big Sam. I don't think we'd go for a name abroad whatsoever.

I agree. Williams appointed him at Blackburn and they had a good working relationship until the Venkys came steaming in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on November 17, 2017, 10:24:02 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on November 17, 2017, 09:33:30 PM
No names, just look abroad.
Just look north of the boarder!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 17, 2017, 10:34:30 PM
Quote from: Brummie Road on November 17, 2017, 03:39:15 PM
It's clear that the majority of Albion fans are now pushing for a parting of the ways between the club and Tony Pulis.

Just a few comments I'd add to a topic thread that seems to increase by about 30 posts a day.

Having just watched todays press conference, I'd have to say I've yet to listen to his comments and views during the media questions without being impressed with the way he handles himself, his straight talking attitude and the majority of his views, and earlier today he did make some valid points.

Other thoughts, would be that virtually all of the genuine football people in the media (excluding the rent a mouth idiots in the media who seem to solely focus on getting a reaction) appear to be of the view that considering the status of the club and financial resources that Pulis is doing a decent job, so it's clear if we do terminate his contract and it were to go belly up, it's not as if we haven't been warned.

I'm of the opinion that yes, we're probably coming to the end of the line though the next steps to be taken by the club hierarchy are far less straight forward than many make out, and part of me actually respects the Albion Board for not yet caving into pressure from the supporters (though the lack of any real dissent against Pulis at any of the home games, at least so far, may be a factor as well) and to pull the trigger at this stage of the season, when the present manager would probably be top of the list of any club outside of the top 8, to be considered to have the experience, expertise and track record to turn things around, is not without risk.

As for how I'd feel if a decision was made to part company, well part of me would feel relief, on the basis the appointment has divided supporters from the start and it would be wonderful to have a united front for the first time in quite a while, but a small part would be quite concerned about any adverse impact in terms of instability while the reorganisation took place (and I'd acknowledge that our present form is poor which is why he's under pressure in the first place!).

I'm not posting this in support of Pulis, but in support of WBA Fc.

Whatever the outcome I just hope it turns out to be the best one for the Albion.
Good post
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2017, 11:13:59 PM
Pulis says we won't find a better manager than him and that before he got here we were fighting relegation to the last days. Obviously this hasn't gone down to well on social media to say the least.  :-X

I understand he wants to defend himself but he's making supporters even more irate. Just concentrate on tomorrow TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on November 17, 2017, 11:20:07 PM
Please! Please ! Take the Wales job .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on November 17, 2017, 11:54:53 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on November 17, 2017, 11:20:07 PM
Please! Please ! Take the Wales job .
Pay him till the end of the season to go to Wales now.  Please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 17, 2017, 11:57:26 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 17, 2017, 11:13:59 PM
Pulis says we won't find a better manager than him and that before he got here we were fighting relegation to the last days. Obviously this hasn't gone down to well on social media to say the least.  :-X

I understand he wants to defend himself but he's making supporters even more irate. Just concentrate on tomorrow TP.
Has he taken to recreational smoking while in The Bahamas?? It may sound weird, but his comments are actually refreshing to hear. Makes a change from the usual guff. I’m almost looking forward to his post match interview tomorrow. ☺️
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on November 18, 2017, 12:04:14 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 17, 2017, 11:13:59 PM
Pulis says we won't find a better manager than him and that before he got here we were fighting relegation to the last days. Obviously this hasn't gone down to well on social media to say the least.  :-X

I understand he wants to defend himself but he's making supporters even more irate. Just concentrate on tomorrow TP.

So not only have the excuses been flying out from all angles the past few weeks, but he's now taken to belittling the club and telling straight up lies.

I'm starting to detest him more with each passing day. It's blatantly obvious that all he cares about is himself and protecting this 'reputation' that he undeservedly has in the media.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 18, 2017, 12:17:14 AM
I think it is wrong to assume that Williams would automatically appoint another member of the old school British coaching establishment, firstly unlike when he was at Blackburn there are fewer still active and even fewer with even a shred of credibility. Secondly Hammond will have an influence on the appointment I am sure he would broaden the search beyond the very obvious and limited choices we can't name but know are possibly lurking in the background.

He won't take the Wales job unless he is out of work, it pays a fraction of what he earns here and the FAW aren't going to pay up the remainder of his contract, despite their recent success they don't have the financial muscle  to do so
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on November 18, 2017, 06:07:48 AM
I have believed for a long time that Pulis was the right manager for our club. For the current talent we have in the playing squad, for the types of players we have and for the budget we run with.

Last year were never flirted with relegation. This year.. we stink.

We can't put it together for 90 minutes and if not for that start over the 1st couple of games, well right now we would be equal points with Palace, who are almost assured of relegation.

We are almost certainly going to be "in the zone" after the Chelsea & Tottenham games unless we can pick up at least 1 and probably 2.

So now it is probably time. It is hard to make a call on TP based on the next 2 games, but unfortunately it isn't so hard based on his last 20.

I don't know who we bring in.. Do we bring in Big Sam, who is a struggler himself or do we try and pick up one of these foreign managers and risk getting a good one against that possibility of another Mel?


Anyway, who we get is the secondary question, the first being.. Will we survive if we keep the one managers who is meant to be more adept than all others at keeping teams up?

Tony I think will be gone even after this weekend if we lost 3-0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 18, 2017, 06:22:19 AM
Quote from: hunsletbaggie on November 17, 2017, 10:24:02 PM
Just look north of the boarder!
Or in Northern Sweden
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on November 18, 2017, 06:44:08 AM
Quote from: costa blanca baggie on November 17, 2017, 11:57:26 PM
Has he taken to recreational smoking while in The Bahamas?? It may sound weird, but his comments are actually refreshing to hear. Makes a change from the usual guff. I’m almost looking forward to his post match interview tomorrow. ☺️

His post match interview will go a little something like this. He’ll be so proud of the effort the players put in, and how ‘aaadd’ they all worked. He’ll bemoan the missed clear chance we created and highlight that with a little more luck we could have got more from the game. He’ll make clear what a ‘privilege’’ it is to be playing a team like Chelsea at the Hawthorns is and how their resources have allowed them to assemble a team of wonderful players. He will allude to the fact that we do not have the same quality in our team and that injuries have restricted our ability to open teams up. He’ll most likely wrap it up by again trying to sugarcoat everything and ‘put everything into perspective’!
Perhaps it’s easy to put things into perspective. For the last 2/3rds of a season we’ve been the by far the worst team in the league by playing some of the worst football in our clubs history. What a privilege that is hey!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 18, 2017, 07:41:58 AM
He's a dead man walking.
He knows if he gets the sack after just signing a new contract, he'll get a nice little pay day, and probably walk into a new job straight away.
If the club was bloody minded I suppose they could put him on gardening leave until his contract expires.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 18, 2017, 08:21:10 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on November 18, 2017, 07:41:58 AM
He's a dead man walking.
He knows if he gets the sack after just signing a new contract, he'll get a nice little pay day, and probably walk into a new job straight away.
If the club was bloody minded I suppose they could put him on gardening leave until his contract expires.

I would have him on gardening leave so if any club does want him they can pay us for the privilege.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 18, 2017, 08:34:01 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on November 18, 2017, 07:41:58 AM
He's a dead man walking.
He knows if he gets the sack after just signing a new contract, he'll get a nice little pay day, and probably walk into a new job straight away.
If the club was bloody minded I suppose they could put him on gardening leave until his contract expires.

I'm not sure he does certainly this season. Looking at the strugglers (I mean you wouldn't hire Pulis unless the alternative was relegation would you?) Most of the teams in the bottom half have already changed manager e.g. Palace West Ham and Leicester or are not going to or won't hire Pulis if they do.

 He can't go back to Stoke, Bournemouth almost certainly won't fire Eddie Howe which leaves Swansea. All the indications are they are trying to stick with Clement after going through managers at a rapid rate and the fans are grumbling about the quality of the football.

Everton have a vacancy but hiring Pulis would not fit with their self image although give it a couple of weeks and the random number generator that Everton seem to use for their recruitment decisions might throw up Pulis' name.   

Indecently an article on the subject from the National media that actually "gets it"

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3272807/patience-wearing-thin-for-west-brom-fans-with-tony-pulis-during-bad-run


 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Avonbaggie on November 18, 2017, 08:52:13 AM
Wales job available.. Would be a good fit!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 18, 2017, 09:23:55 AM
Great paragraph to sum the situation up (referring to staving off relegation and hitting 40 points)

It's a bit like nourishing a starving man with porridge and water then acting surprised when he wants steak and wine a year later. Not even steak and wine: you get the sense West Brom fans would be happy with chicken and a can of Coke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mo on November 18, 2017, 09:50:26 AM
Quote from: BigFrank20 on November 18, 2017, 06:22:19 AM
Or in Northern Sweden

Maybe china too .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 18, 2017, 09:57:50 AM
Quote from: Mo on November 18, 2017, 09:50:26 AM
Maybe china too .

I hear the Loire Valley is a particularly interesting place for young wines at the moment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 18, 2017, 10:22:05 AM
Quote from: Standaman on November 18, 2017, 08:34:01 AM
Indecently an article on the subject from the National media that actually "gets it"

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3272807/patience-wearing-thin-for-west-brom-fans-with-tony-pulis-during-bad-run
Not sure about indecent ( ;D ), but this is an unusually astute and certainly welcome article from the wider media, where journalists overwhelmingly think that analysis is a problem with your back passage, so can't offer anything more than the pathetic and patronising "be careful what you wish for" line, which Pulis is now milking himself of course.

This is one of the best paragraphs in the article IMO:

"It's as if there is a level of performance that he is capable of inspiring in footballers: let's call it the Pulis Line. If he is presented with a set of players whose ability is below the Pulis Line, with a bit of time, graft and shouting he can bring them up. But when a squad who are used to life above the Pulis Line arrive, he brings them down."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 18, 2017, 10:54:31 AM
A big day ahead for us folks !

It's the bigger picture at stake today though three extraordinary points would be handy and buy some time !

#PULISOUT

"Tony Pulis... YOUR football is sh8t !!"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 18, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on November 18, 2017, 07:41:58 AM
He's a dead man walking.
He knows if he gets the sack after just signing a new contract, he'll get a nice little pay day, and probably walk into a new job straight away.
If the club was bloody minded I suppose they could put him on gardening leave until his contract expires.

Did that with Irvine from memory.

Also it will contract him this season so he cannot go to a rival and 'save' them......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 18, 2017, 10:59:43 AM
Remember that the owner is supposed to be there today so a rare chance for the home crowd to let their feelings of discontent known !!

Don't waste it folks !!!  Support the team but not the manager as per Huddersfield to get the message across.

#PULIS OUT
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 18, 2017, 11:33:57 AM
Quote from: mulliganstired on November 17, 2017, 11:54:53 PM
Pay him till the end of the season to go to Wales now.  Please.

Do you think Gareth Bale could be converted to a aaard working centre half?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 18, 2017, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: stoxman on November 18, 2017, 11:33:57 AM
Do you think Gareth Bale could be converted to a aaard working centre half?

Bomb squad by Easter for not tracking back enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 18, 2017, 11:48:15 AM
Quote from: AlbionBest on November 18, 2017, 10:59:43 AM
Remember that the owner is supposed to be there today so a rare chance for the home crowd to let their feelings of discontent known !!

Don't waste it folks !!!  Support the team but not the manager as per Huddersfield to get the message across.

#PULIS OUT


Why don't you worry about what you're going to do today and leave the rest of the supporters to do as they please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 18, 2017, 11:59:40 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 18, 2017, 11:48:15 AM

Why don't you worry about what you're going to do today and leave the rest of the supporters to do as they please.

I'm with Albion Best who is issuing his rallying cry for change which the vast majority on this board are calling for. Pulis Out!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on November 18, 2017, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on November 18, 2017, 10:59:43 AM
Remember that the owner is supposed to be there today so a rare chance for the home crowd to let their feelings of discontent known !!

Don't waste it folks !!!  Support the team but not the manager as per Huddersfield to get the message across.

#PULIS OUT
can't agree more. We must make our feelings clear. PULIS OUT!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 18, 2017, 12:45:19 PM
I want him out but before and during the game the TEAM need to be supported. I still want 3 points and to win today. If it goes wrong, make your feelings known at the final whistle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiesboots on November 18, 2017, 02:25:49 PM
Just heard the press conference  :o this man has to leave this club pronto. He's alienated just about everyone and the negativity is unreal. To say he'd walk away with his held high in unbelievably egotistical,but then I don't expect anything else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 18, 2017, 03:29:49 PM
Hopefully this will be enough to see him gone.
Would rather go down with someone else than listen to one more moronic, egotistical word from this buffoon.
Pulis out and out now. Don't even give him the second half!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2017, 03:37:31 PM
Never been so bored, nothing will ever change with Pulis in charge
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on November 18, 2017, 03:59:17 PM
I'm a season ticket holder , and I just couldn't be bothered to make the effort . Will not go back up there until he's gone total Buffon . Pullis OUT! Now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2017, 04:19:29 PM
He's gone, its just a matter of its this week, the Spurs game, or the Newcastle game. It's abundantly clear the players have absolutely zero interest in playing for him anymore. The organisation and defefensive shape of the team is no longer there which is the most obvious sign. For all his faults Pulis does make teams strong defensively and good on set pieces, those no longer being the case is a clear case the players aren't playing for him anymore. When that's the cast we'll just keep losing, we've seen it under Irvine, Mel, Clarke, RDM.... It's often obvious when a managers finished at a club - its obvious here too.

I suspect his downfall is for two particularly reasons:

1) His treatment of the players of the past few seasons, many bombed out the first team and not given chances despite our form, bound to create resentment.

2) The (admittedly) higher quality on paper at least players he'd bought in just aren't interested in playing Pulis-ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 18, 2017, 04:37:09 PM
Just really really hope we don't replace one dinosaur with another (if you comprehend my meaning) if Pulis is sacked. Please give us some joy, some dreams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on November 18, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
If we go down Pulis should have this season on his CV...
Players seem to have given up too :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on November 18, 2017, 05:04:21 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on November 18, 2017, 03:59:17 PM
I'm a season ticket holder , and I just couldn't be bothered to make the effort . Will not go back up there until he's gone total Buffon . Pullis OUT! Now

If only we had him in charge, we'd at least get some passion and entertainment! And he'd probably cry every time we got knocked out of a cup!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Avonbaggie on November 18, 2017, 05:05:43 PM
Quote from: charlebaggie on November 18, 2017, 03:59:17 PM
I'm a season ticket holder , and I just couldn't be bothered to make the effort . Will not go back up there until he's gone total Buffon . Pullis OUT! Now

Season ticket holder as well and even I didn't bother to go today as I knew what would happen and the team we'd put out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2017, 05:08:18 PM
2 wins in 21 league games, pathetic
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 18, 2017, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: Dan on November 18, 2017, 04:19:29 PM
He's gone, its just a matter of its this week, the Spurs game, or the Newcastle game. It's abundantly clear the players have absolutely zero interest in playing for him anymore. The organisation and defefensive shape of the team is no longer there which is the most obvious sign. For all his faults Pulis does make teams strong defensively and good on set pieces, those no longer being the case is a clear case the players aren't playing for him anymore. When that's the cast we'll just keep losing, we've seen it under Irvine, Mel, Clarke, RDM.... It's often obvious when a managers finished at a club - its obvious here too.

I suspect his downfall is for two particularly reasons:

1) His treatment of the players of the past few seasons, many bombed out the first team and not given chances despite our form, bound to create resentment.

2) The (admittedly) higher quality on paper at least players he'd bought in just aren't interested in playing Pulis-ball.

My mate said earlier he think there are two option if we lost 1) go right away 2) basically caretaker for spurs then bring someone straight in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 18, 2017, 05:12:37 PM
Turn the lights off when you leave, Tone. You won't be missed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on November 18, 2017, 05:19:46 PM
Peace knew when to make a change.

Peace would sack Pulis tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 18, 2017, 05:20:41 PM
Quote from: Dan on November 18, 2017, 04:19:29 PM
He's gone, its just a matter of its this week, the Spurs game, or the Newcastle game. It's abundantly clear the players have absolutely zero interest in playing for him anymore. The organisation and defefensive shape of the team is no longer there which is the most obvious sign. For all his faults Pulis does make teams strong defensively and good on set pieces, those no longer being the case is a clear case the players aren't playing for him anymore. When that's the cast we'll just keep losing, we've seen it under Irvine, Mel, Clarke, RDM.... It's often obvious when a managers finished at a club - its obvious here too.

I suspect his downfall is for two particularly reasons:

1) His treatment of the players of the past few seasons, many bombed out the first team and not given chances despite our form, bound to create resentment.

2) The (admittedly) higher quality on paper at least players he'd bought in just aren't interested in playing Pulis-ball.
Agree with this , said for a while his treatment of the likes of Yacob and Brunt has been poor for two.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2017, 05:21:04 PM
If Williams don't sack him he needs to go too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 18, 2017, 05:22:39 PM
What's that now, 2 wins in 21 games is it?.... and there are still some deluded individuals that believe he should be given more time..... Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 18, 2017, 05:27:18 PM
Quote from: Barrington on November 18, 2017, 05:19:46 PM
Peace knew when to make a change.

Peace would sack Pulis tonight.

Peace would have sacked Pulis after Huddersfield
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on November 18, 2017, 05:27:43 PM
It’s just a waiting game until someone half decent is available now. Everyone was so flat today. Unless something big changes I think we’re in trouble this year. I know people (me included) think we have a stronger squad this year but they don’t seem to have the commitment of prior seasons? I hope this is down to them being fed up with Pulis and Megson.

Looking at Williams and Lai now to see if they pass their first proper test?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on November 18, 2017, 05:28:52 PM
Has to be sacked now . Fans have turned players given up .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 18, 2017, 05:31:21 PM
I worry that we will do the right thing in kicking out Pulis, but I fear we will play ultra safe with the next appointment and employ an ex England manager (Seeing I can't name names, but he managed West Ham too)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 18, 2017, 05:33:12 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on November 18, 2017, 05:22:39 PM
What's that now, 2 wins in 21 games is it?.... and there are still some deluded individuals that believe he should be given more time..... Ridiculous.

Seems like it is now down to 3 or 4 at most on this site. How anyone with the results since March can defend this manager is beyond me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2017, 05:33:36 PM
Quote from: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 18, 2017, 05:31:21 PM
I worry that we will do the right thing in kicking out Pulis, but I fear we will play ultra safe with the next appointment and employ an ex England manager (Seeing I can't name names, but he managed West Ham too)


He's better than what we have got
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on November 18, 2017, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on November 18, 2017, 05:33:12 PM
Seems like it is now down to 3 or 4 at most on this site. How anyone with the results since March can defend this manager is beyond me.
Spot on...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on November 18, 2017, 05:35:42 PM
He's got to go, he's killing the club at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 18, 2017, 05:38:15 PM
Quote from: baggies_24 on November 18, 2017, 05:35:42 PM
He's got to go, he's killing the club at the moment.
And killing hope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiecarl on November 18, 2017, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on November 18, 2017, 05:22:39 PM
What's that now, 2 wins in 21 games is it?.... and there are still some deluded individuals that believe he should be given more time..... Ridiculous.
They are either deluded or trolls purporting to be fans , trying to wind everyone else up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2017, 05:44:26 PM
Just heard his interview with pat , he's sounds resigned
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 18, 2017, 05:45:56 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2017, 05:44:26 PM
Just heard his interview with pat , he's sounds resigned
What did he say Devon?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 18, 2017, 05:47:20 PM
He's not hanging around after the game today he's getting straight off (has friends down from Bristol apparently), Williams has been in the dressing room after the game but pulis says its nothing to do with anyone what was said..... days are numbered its only a matter of time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2017, 05:48:22 PM
He praised supporters and said owners have got to put club first. Chairman came into dressing room. He was quick to leave apparently
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 18, 2017, 05:48:39 PM
If we're going to get rid, get rid tonight. Don't faff about until the new working week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 18, 2017, 05:49:27 PM
Pragmatic football has to get results, time to say goodbye for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 18, 2017, 05:49:29 PM
Why does Williams keep coming in the dressing room?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on November 18, 2017, 05:51:52 PM
The axe needs to fall now, after Spurs and Newcastle we’ve got Palace at home and Swansea away.......make or break games.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 18, 2017, 05:52:05 PM
The reaction at the ground after the game today was more apathetic than hostile, which might conceivably make the Board continue to dither when they should be decisive, but surely it really ought to be all over bar the shouting now? Everywhere you look there's no spirit and no hope, so an injection of new ideas and energy is now needed to help breathe some pride and enthusiasm back into the fans.

You would hope that this is blatantly obvious to Messrs Lai and Williams, but I remain to be convinced that it is. The optimal time to make a change has gone, but to have a new manager in the stands for the Spurs game who's then in charge for the 3 more crucial games after that, along with him having a month to evaluate the squad ahead of the transfer window opening, has to be the best approach now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 18, 2017, 05:52:18 PM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on November 18, 2017, 05:49:27 PM
Pragmatic football has to get results, time to say goodbye for me.
Thats just it , live by the sword , die by the sword.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on November 18, 2017, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on November 18, 2017, 05:53:25 PM
Think you're bang on there, as you say i just hope that the complete loss of interest isn't misinterpreted to being quiet support.

The fans opinions will be the last thing on the minds of Lai and Williams, they're only interested in remaining in the greed league to feather their own nests. I think we're stuck with Pulis until the end of the season because Lai and Williams have already backed him with a new contract (because they see him as a definite 40 points). Furthermore, they wont want to lose face.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 18, 2017, 06:03:28 PM
I've just watched Pulis's post match interview below, which was mostly a re-run of what he said on Friday but without the self-promotion this time, which gave it an air of gloom. He bemoaned not having Morrison, Chadli and Burke on the pitch more during the season. I'm sure someone will work out how many games they've been on the bench for when they could have been playing.

He also unusually referred to Messrs Lai and Lee (not sure who he is) by name, rather than disrespectfully calling them "the Chinese". Overall, though, what he said sounded like someone who's expecting to be sacked very soon.

Link: BBC interview (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42039510)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 18, 2017, 06:08:40 PM
Quote from: miggybaggy on November 18, 2017, 06:03:25 PM
The fans opinions will be the last thing on the minds of Lai and Williams, they're only interested in remaining in the greed league to feather their own nests. I think we're stuck with Pulis until the end of the season because Lai and Williams have already backed him with a new contract (because they see him as a definite 40 points). Furthermore, they wont want to lose face.

Pride comes before a fall... Surely they can't see him as a guaranteed 40 points now? I think they'll sack him precisely because they want to stay in the Prem. He's taking us down, everyone can see that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 18, 2017, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on November 18, 2017, 06:12:34 PM
We've really got to either sack him or back up now, if the board don't get rid after this game then he's going to be here until at least Xmas imo. It's a scary thought but if he's still in a job tomorrow i think he's here for a little while longer.
We will be bottom by Xmas if he stays.
It will be nigh impossible to do the "great escape" twice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on November 18, 2017, 06:16:55 PM
He wants to be sacked

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 18, 2017, 06:17:51 PM
Quote from: Doobuy on November 18, 2017, 06:16:55 PM
He wants to be sacked

Finally I agree with him on something then!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sing on our own on November 18, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
I think we are going down regardless now. Pulis is obviously a dead man walking and it’s going to be a massive job for whoever we find to take the job on. We’ve been in freefall for months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on November 18, 2017, 06:23:38 PM
Quote from: sing on our own on November 18, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
I think we are going down regardless now. Pulis is obviously a dead man walking and it’s going to be a massive job for whoever we find to take the job on. We’ve been in freefall for months.

Think that's going to be the main issue to be honest. We'd all like a change of style and formation but I'm not even sure what our best formation would be. We seem to have tried it all already
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 18, 2017, 06:25:16 PM
We haven't though.
We need to play higher up to give our forwards (plural) help when needed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on November 18, 2017, 06:27:47 PM
A manager of the right calibre and two new forwards and we will stay up and could play a more attractive style of football. It depends on what the owners want? To Spend the bare minimum to just stay up or to invest reasonably not always shoestring budgets.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 18, 2017, 06:28:10 PM
Just listened to his post match interview with BBC. Says everyone has to do whats best for the club - But the goes on to say he's happy to continue. If you want whats best Tone, do the honorable thing and resign, because you're making a fool of yourself now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on November 18, 2017, 06:31:36 PM
If he's given the Newcastle and Palace games then I think we're going down this season regardless of who is manager come May. We need 38-40 points and Pulis is using up the games to the point where it will soon be too late for whoever comes in to meet the points per game requirement.

As for bemoaning the lack of Chadli, he can do one, I'd bet a large sum of money he wouldn't have started today if he wasn't 'injured'. The players aren't playing for him and I don't blame them, why are professional footballers going to want to play for a manager who treats them like Sunday league players playing a cup game against a team in the division above? I think he wants to be sacked for the pay-off, I'm just hoping the board see sense.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on November 18, 2017, 06:33:19 PM
Quote from: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 18, 2017, 06:28:10 PM
Just listened to his post match interview with BBC. Says everyone has to do whats best for the club - But the goes on to say he's happy to continue. If you want whats best Tone, do the honorable thing and resign, because you're making a fool of yourself now.
A deal needs to be struck, he likes his money our Tone, he won't walk without a payday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on November 18, 2017, 06:34:42 PM
Have heard he's gone, statement soon!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 18, 2017, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: baggie96 on November 18, 2017, 06:34:42 PM
Have heard he's gone, statement soon!
Not soon enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 18, 2017, 06:35:38 PM
Quote from: baggie96 on November 18, 2017, 06:34:42 PM
Have heard he's gone, statement soon!

How dare you get peoples hopes up like that!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2017, 06:42:10 PM
He's gone to Bournemouth for dinner
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 18, 2017, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: mulliganstired on November 18, 2017, 06:33:19 PM
A deal needs to be struck, he likes his money our Tone, he won't walk without a payday.

Would you walk away from a £1m or so pay off with nowt when you owe Palace money ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Avonbaggie on November 18, 2017, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: baggie96 on November 18, 2017, 06:34:42 PM
Have heard he's gone, statement soon!

Well Wikipedia has been updated already!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: slate on November 18, 2017, 06:47:13 PM
Quote from: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 18, 2017, 06:28:10 PM
Just listened to his post match interview with BBC. Says everyone has to do whats best for the club - But the goes on to say he's happy to continue. If you want whats best Tone, do the honorable thing and resign, because you're making a fool of yourself now.

This whole football manager thing is his job. Would you resign from your job when you're sure that you're going to get a massive redundancy payoff? I think not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 18, 2017, 06:48:28 PM
Quote from: Avonbaggie on November 18, 2017, 06:45:03 PM
Well Wikipedia has been updated already!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis)

Yes because Wikipedia definitely can't be inaccurate or edited by anyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 18, 2017, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: Avonbaggie on November 18, 2017, 06:45:03 PM
Well Wikipedia has been updated already!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis)

Probably baggie96's source
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Avonbaggie on November 18, 2017, 06:55:56 PM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 18, 2017, 06:48:28 PM
Yes because Wikipedia definitely can't be inaccurate or edited by anyone.

That was the joke but thank you for clarifying  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Doobuy on November 18, 2017, 06:58:27 PM
He won’t resign
He wants money

He’s happy to take the money dishing up rubbish football week in eeek out

If he’s sacked he’ll get a payoff and hopefully will ruin someone else’s club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 18, 2017, 06:59:30 PM
I’d put my mortgage on him getting the Wales job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 18, 2017, 07:02:39 PM
Quote from: Doobuy on November 18, 2017, 06:58:27 PM
He won’t resign
He wants money

He’s happy to take the money dishing up rubbish football week in eeek out

If he’s sacked he’ll get a payoff and hopefully will ruin someone else’s club

Which he should do. It's not his fault WBA gave him a longer contract. He is doing what most reasonable people will do and collect the cash.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 18, 2017, 07:03:28 PM
Quote from: Mister AT on November 18, 2017, 06:59:30 PM
I’d put my mortgage on him getting the Wales job.
I was thinking that. But he will hold for a payoff and not sure if the club would do that as there will be clubs after him ....maybe to keep them up? But then again he has lost that mojo diving us down?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 18, 2017, 07:05:40 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on November 18, 2017, 07:03:28 PM
I was thinking that. But he will hold for a payoff and not sure if the club would do that as there will be clubs after him ....maybe to keep them up? But then again he has lost that mojo diving us down?

Only job I can see him getting is maybe Swansea. Maybe he just waits until the summer and takes over a top championship job to get them promoted. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 18, 2017, 07:06:52 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on November 18, 2017, 07:05:40 PM
Only job I can see him getting is maybe Swansea. Maybe he just waits until the summer and takes over a top championship job to get them promoted.
You have to attack and score goals in the Championship.
This is not his style.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 18, 2017, 07:16:50 PM
He won't go until we have a replacement already agreed It seems to be the way it's done these days, I would also of thought it's not up for consideration until we are in the relegation zone. It's not unreasonable to assume he has a clause in his contract that any pay off is reduced if we are in the bottom three at Christmas.

In terms of him looking for a pay off and a new job. Who would have him, no chance would West Ham or Everton look for him. Swansea at a push?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 18, 2017, 07:23:40 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 18, 2017, 06:03:28 PM
I've just watched Pulis's post match interview below, which was mostly a re-run of what he said on Friday but without the self-promotion this time, which gave it an air of gloom. He bemoaned not having Morrison, Chadli and Burke on the pitch more during the season. I'm sure someone will work out how many games they've been on the bench for when they could have been playing.

He also unusually referred to Messrs Lai and Lee (not sure who he is) by name, rather than disrespectfully calling them "the Chinese". Overall, though, what he said sounded like someone who's expecting to be sacked very soon.

Link: BBC interview (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42039510)

At least one of them has been available for every game this season, today was the first one where at least two were not available to him.

They have played a total of 400 minutes between them e.g less than 5 full games between them.

Next excuse please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 18, 2017, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: BoingFlyer on November 18, 2017, 07:16:50 PM
He won't go until we have a replacement already agreed It seems to be the way it's done these days, I would also of thought it's not up for consideration until we are in the relegation zone. It's not unreasonable to assume he has a clause in his contract that any pay off is reduced if we are in the bottom three at Christmas.

In terms of him looking for a pay off and a new job. Who would have him, no chance would West Ham or Everton look for him. Swansea at a push?

That could be tomorrow if West Ham win at Watford
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 18, 2017, 07:25:53 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on November 18, 2017, 07:06:52 PM
You have to attack and score goals in the Championship.
This is not his style.
Yeah but he took Stoke up so he has that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on November 18, 2017, 07:26:30 PM
Tonight has to be the night surely?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 18, 2017, 07:30:06 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on November 18, 2017, 07:05:40 PM
Only job I can see him getting is maybe Swansea. Maybe he just waits until the summer and takes over a top championship job to get them promoted.
Well yes anything is possible in the crazy football World! But I think he has now lost credibility? 2 more wins would have prevented this and he has the players which should have done this task. Wasted the fixtures we could have done better with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on November 18, 2017, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on November 18, 2017, 07:26:30 PM
Tonight has to be the night surely?
That's nearly a Rod Stewart song...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 18, 2017, 07:41:46 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on November 18, 2017, 07:30:06 PM
Well yes anything is possible in the crazy football World! But I think he has now lost credibility? 2 more wins would have prevented this and he has the players which should have done this task. Wasted the fixtures we could have done better with.

Has he? I think most people from the outside will view he did a good job overall and just is having one terrible season that will probably get him fired.

His biggest problem if he wants to stay the PL is WBA,Stoke nor Crystal Palace will hire him so it's becoming slim pickings for him if he wants a lower end mid table job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2017, 07:42:59 PM
A vote of confidence statement
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on November 18, 2017, 07:44:55 PM
I have never ever been so disinterested in my club than I am now. I have been a season ticket holder since 1979
I was fully supportive of TP until about 6 weeks ago but now I am sick of his cowardly football
Days like today don’t finish me off it making no effort to beat West Ham, Stoke, Huddersfield, Brighton and Southampton
I am sick of having 4 fullbacks, 3 of them centre halves 3 holding midfielders and 2 wingers whose primary job is to protect the fullbacks
I am sick of having 30% possession, minimal attempts on targets, lowest passing stats in the league and time wasting from the first half
I have never been so bored ever at a football game in my life and feel like taking a book or listening to music
It’s obvious the players don’t want him there, the fans don’t want him there and I don’t believe he wants to be there either
For gods dake Albion put us all out of our misery.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 18, 2017, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on November 18, 2017, 07:41:46 PM
Has he? I think most people from the outside will view he did a good job overall and just is having one terrible season that will probably get him fired.

His biggest problem if he wants to stay the PL is WBA,Stoke nor Crystal Palace will hire him so it's becoming slim pickings for him if he wants a lower end mid table job.
Well you could say that but. He has had an influx of new players and has not managed them very well.
I supported him but he is a one trick pony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on November 18, 2017, 07:51:29 PM
I suspect he was given his marching orders at last night’s meeting with Mr Lai and an announcement delayed until after today’s game. Why else would he come up with the cock and bull story that he had to rush off at the end of the match to meet friends for dinner in Bournemouth? It doesn’t ring true.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 18, 2017, 07:53:44 PM
Never much liked Pulis's football but am surprised how he's not been able to turn this around and how quickly its spun out of control.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 18, 2017, 07:54:43 PM
Has he gone yet Mr Williams ?   :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2017, 07:55:31 PM
Quote from: royhan on November 18, 2017, 07:51:29 PM
I suspect he was given his marching orders at last night’s meeting with Mr Lai and an announcement delayed until after today’s game. Why else would he come up with the cock and bull story that he had to rush off at the end of the match to meet friends for dinner in Bournemouth? It doesn’t ring true.

Eh? Who on earth would sack a manager and then leave him in charge for the next game? Imagine if he won!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 18, 2017, 07:56:34 PM
He ay gewin.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 18, 2017, 07:57:32 PM
Well he's not going tonight by the looks of things :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on November 18, 2017, 08:02:13 PM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 18, 2017, 07:57:32 PM
Well he's not going tonight by the looks of things :(

Of course he's not. He's not going to be sacked on the back of losing to Chelsea. If he was going to be sacked they'd have done it before we played Chelsea and Spurs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 18, 2017, 08:02:47 PM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 18, 2017, 07:57:32 PM
Well he's not going tonight by the looks of things :(
Suspect by Monday he'll be gone , normally think Williams would give him time but Pulis himself looks beat , the players look lost too. He had a chance to put on a better show Today yet bottled it with the fantastic three in the middle again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 18, 2017, 08:03:49 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on November 18, 2017, 08:02:13 PM
Of course he's not. He's not going to be sacked on the back of losing to Chelsea. If he was going to be sacked they'd have done it before we played Chelsea and Spurs

True. Should have been binned at the start of the international break.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on November 18, 2017, 08:08:08 PM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 18, 2017, 08:03:49 PM
True. Should have been binned at the start of the international break.

Exactly, it makes no sense keeping him on then using losses to Chelsea and (presumably) Spurs as the means to sack him, when it's really the performances against Huddersfield, Brighton et al that weren't good enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Big Al on November 18, 2017, 08:08:50 PM
I have no interest in watching his type football and have turned down offers fro friends to go t9 matches this season. However I have to admit his conduct at interviews over the last couple of days has been excellent. As he said today the club is the most important thing and the owners need to do whatever is best for the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 18, 2017, 08:12:50 PM
Quote from: Big Al on November 18, 2017, 08:08:50 PM
I have no interest in watching his type football and have turned down offers fro friends to go t9 matches this season. However I have to admit his conduct at interviews over the last couple of days has been excellent. As he said today the club is the most important thing and the owners need to do whatever is best for the club.

I thought what he said about the fans not "blowing the place up" or whatever he said was great, and praising fans too. I've called him patronising when he's been that why so credit where it's due.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 18, 2017, 08:15:31 PM
Think he'll be gone in the next few days

Probably working through a severance agreement on a "mutual consent" basis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 18, 2017, 08:18:15 PM
I think we are sticking with him until the next couple of games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2017, 08:20:26 PM
Every body club, players and supporters needs a lift, why stick with something that's not going to change. Accept it he has lost his way, players are no longer responding. He won't change his ways. No more Austrian hills
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 18, 2017, 08:20:41 PM
I know from a friend who works within the club that he had the Newcastle and Palace games to save his job, that was after the Huddersfield game.

I’ve text him today but ain’t had a reply.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kanu on November 18, 2017, 08:25:59 PM
He's gone. I'm not doing cartwheels because I'm worried about the choice of his replacement. But I am happy he's gone as today's non effort was too much to bear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on November 18, 2017, 08:26:26 PM
 >:( get this prat out of our club asap Williams!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 18, 2017, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2017, 08:20:26 PM
Every body club, players and supporters needs a lift, why stick with something that's not going to change. Accept it he has lost his way, players are no longer responding. He won't change his ways. No more Austrian hills

You are most likely correct but I don't see him getting the sack just yet.

I think the Palace and Newcastle games are the big ones.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on November 18, 2017, 08:28:32 PM
Quote from: kanu on November 18, 2017, 08:25:59 PM
He's gone. I'm not doing cartwheels because I'm worried about the choice of his replacement. But I am happy he's gone as today's non effort was too much to bear.
where did you get info from
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on November 18, 2017, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: paulosull on November 18, 2017, 08:28:32 PM
where did you get info from

Probably a guess just like everyone else is guessing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 18, 2017, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: paulosull on November 18, 2017, 08:28:32 PM
where did you get info from

Wikipedia
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Beefy on November 18, 2017, 08:39:19 PM
Steven B‏
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Just awaiting the official statement regarding Tony Pulis...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 18, 2017, 08:42:32 PM
The bit that worries me the most is if he does stay, in his conferences he sounds like a man who is beaten and knows that it’s over.

There is no fight left in him and if we don’t get rid, that’s obviously relating to the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 18, 2017, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: Beefy on November 18, 2017, 08:39:19 PM
Steven B‏
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Just awaiting the official statement regarding Tony Pulis...

That was several hours ago I’ve been refreshing his twitter page ever since!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 18, 2017, 08:44:12 PM
Quote from: Beefy on November 18, 2017, 08:39:19 PM
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Just awaiting the official statement regarding Tony Pulis...

Isn't this the guy that gets several things wrong time and time again?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RICH ONE on November 18, 2017, 08:44:20 PM
Cannot believe dithering John is taking so long  to sack him. Unless it has already been done and  they are putting plans in place before making any announcement. Suspect Ben Garner would be put in place as Caretaker 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 18, 2017, 09:17:39 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 18, 2017, 08:44:12 PM
Isn't this the guy that gets several things wrong time and time again?


He's an idiot, retweeted a fake official announcement then deleted it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on November 18, 2017, 09:19:59 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 18, 2017, 09:17:39 PM

He's an idiot, retweeted a fake official announcement then deleted it.

And they wonder why Albion keep stuff in house and don’t feed the media anything

What an idiot
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 18, 2017, 09:22:36 PM
It was said at the time by some that Gary Megson could prove to be the tipping point for Pulis; perhaps Kemp was more attacking and his ideas meant that combined with the negativity of Pulis; it lead to success - in terms of grinding out results etc. Now he has gone, perhaps Megson's known negativity combined with Pulis is just too much and it doesn't work.

I always felt that Francis was massively under-rated with his defensive work at the club, but perhaps Kemp was the dark horse who was doing well behind the scenes.
I'm purely speculating and could be all wrong but I do find it odd that a manager who could quite easily avoid relegation scraps suddenly goes off the boil when his number 2 retires. Before anyone starts, I'm not on about his ugly style either, I'm talking purely in results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on November 18, 2017, 09:25:56 PM
Whats the latest time we give it before we rule sacking him out for tonight? Half 10?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 18, 2017, 09:30:56 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on November 18, 2017, 09:25:56 PM
Whats the latest time we give it before we rule sacking him out for tonight? Half 10?

It won't be tonight. We've got a decent hierarchy who will let him enjoy his night with his friends before announcing anything official.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 18, 2017, 09:32:33 PM
Goo on..Spoil his night like he has spoiled (shafted) our team and fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on November 18, 2017, 09:36:34 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 18, 2017, 09:30:56 PM
It won't be tonight. We've got a decent hierarchy who will let him enjoy his night with his friends before announcing anything official.

Ithink if its due to happen in next 48 hours he will know now and he looked like a man that knew in that press conference.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 18, 2017, 09:38:14 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on November 18, 2017, 09:36:34 PM
Ithink if its due to happen in next 48 hours he will know now and he looked like a man that knew in that press conference.

I agree. He's already been told I think but as I said they are decent enough to let the dust settle tonight and let him enjoy his evening without his phone going mad for media interviews etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 18, 2017, 09:41:15 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 18, 2017, 09:38:14 PM
I agree. He's already been told I think but as I said they are decent enough to let the dust settle tonight and let him enjoy his evening without his phone going mad for media interviews etc.

The last supper...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 18, 2017, 09:46:11 PM
I reckon he's gone (opinion). HOWEVER if he is then he will be in charge until mid December. It now feels like slow playing a middle pocket pair in poker and we've hit the turn and there's a straight and flush draw on the table. Slow playing and not pulling the trigger might work but the percentages aren't looking as good as they did.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on November 18, 2017, 09:49:24 PM
In his interview on WM he said he usually has an after match drink, but he was going straight home as he had a meal waiting.
He said Williams had come into the dressing room and spoken to him, but what was said was nobody's business but theirs.
He then got ratty and left the interview.
Just my opinion but i think he's gone, Lai and Williams are meeting and didn't want Pulis there.
Pulis said it's whats best for the club and the fans, it's not about whats best for him.

I think that was what Williams said.

Like i say, just my take on it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 18, 2017, 10:00:03 PM
Quote from: divinewind on November 18, 2017, 09:49:24 PM
In his interview on WM he said he usually has an after match drink, but he was going straight home as he had a meal waiting.
It's probably a good 3.5 hours from West Bromwich to Poole, so his meal had probably spoiled a bit by the time he got home! It also wouldn't give him much time this evening with his "friends down from Bristol" either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 18, 2017, 10:06:21 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 18, 2017, 10:00:03 PM
It's probably a good 3.5 hours from West Bromwich to Poole, so his meal had probably spoiled a bit by the time he got home! It also wouldn't give him much time this evening with his "friends down from Bristol" either.
Wouldn't it be a shame if his veg had gone all soggy and his chops were dry and aaaarrrrd by the time he got home. Poor soul
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 18, 2017, 10:15:17 PM
Don’t know how reliable this account is but...


@Football_Mole
My sources tell me Tony Pulis will depart #wba by Tuesday once the terms of his severance package are agreed. That is the only delay to his leaving #scfc
#cpfc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 18, 2017, 10:22:39 PM
Quote from: divinewind on November 18, 2017, 09:49:24 PM
In his interview on WM he said he usually has an after match drink, but he was going straight home as he had a meal waiting.
He said Williams had come into the dressing room and spoken to him, but what was said was nobody's business but theirs.
He then got ratty and left the interview.
Just my opinion but i think he's gone, Lai and Williams are meeting and didn't want Pulis there.
Pulis said it's whats best for the club and the fans, it's not about whats best for him.

I think that was what Williams said.

Like i say, just my take on it.
This ,meal thing...what a load of tosh. He really does spout some rubbish.I think it is more a case of giving him a chance to get some distance away from the ground before they make the announcement. Lets hope you are right and we wake up to an announcement in the morning!

THAT will make my day ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on November 18, 2017, 10:23:21 PM
Definitely time to go now for me, I’ve backed him throughout but his team selections and results have been very poor for too long. I think overall he has done a decent job from the squad we had when he took over to now. I really do think his problem is when he has a decent squad which I believe we have he doesn’t really know what to do with them an it also happened at stoke. Southampton and  Huddersfield done it for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: clemsleftfoot on November 18, 2017, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: billvis on November 18, 2017, 10:06:21 PM
Wouldn't it be a shame if his veg had gone all soggy and his chops were dry and aaaarrrrd by the time he got home. Poor soul
I hope he as got the chop...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 18, 2017, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 18, 2017, 10:15:17 PM
Don’t know how reliable this account is but...


@Football_Mole
My sources tell me Tony Pulis will depart #wba by Tuesday once the terms of his severance package are agreed. That is the only delay to his leaving #scfc
#cpfc

Read a couple of his other tweets, wouldn’t believe him to be honest.

At one point he said wolves were taking agbonlahor on loan.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on November 18, 2017, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 18, 2017, 10:15:17 PM
Don’t know how reliable this account is but...


@Football_Mole
My sources tell me Tony Pulis will depart #wba by Tuesday once the terms of his severance package are agreed. That is the only delay to his leaving #scfc
#cpfc

That would tie in with his interview. Williams probably gave him the news and said he would discuss terms with Lai.
Probably the reason Lai flew in.

A shame in a way that it got to this. I think he is probably a decent bloke, but his way of football was never our way.
I think he lost the dressing room at the tail end of last season, he should have gone at the end of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on November 18, 2017, 10:30:44 PM
He will probably take the Wales job now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 18, 2017, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: clemsleftfoot on November 18, 2017, 10:25:33 PM
I hope he as got the chop...
Boom boom! 😀
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 18, 2017, 10:43:48 PM
Quote from: divinewind on November 18, 2017, 10:30:44 PM
He will probably take the Wales job now.

He was asked about the Wales job and he said he's too young for it just yet.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 18, 2017, 10:53:59 PM
He has lost the fans.
Where does he go?
The wilderness beckons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 18, 2017, 10:57:18 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on November 18, 2017, 10:53:59 PM
He has lost the fans.
Where does he go?
The wilderness beckons.
I suspect he wouldn't be too fussed as long as his financial problems are sorted out as part of his severance deal from us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 18, 2017, 10:58:35 PM
Quote from: divinewind on November 18, 2017, 09:49:24 PM
In his interview on WM he said he usually has an after match drink, but he was going straight home as he had a meal waiting.
He said Williams had come into the dressing room and spoken to him, but what was said was nobody's business but theirs.
He then got ratty and left the interview.
Just my opinion but i think he's gone, Lai and Williams are meeting and didn't want Pulis there.
Pulis said it's whats best for the club and the fans, it's not about whats best for him.

I think that was what Williams said.

Like i say, just my take on it.

I heard that interview and came to the same conclusion. I am sure the deed has been done
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 18, 2017, 11:23:10 PM
Pulis is still in a job, as such as people know and some don't agree with we will not be allowing any talk of future managers. When he's gone then its open season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on November 18, 2017, 11:33:46 PM
Quote from: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 18, 2017, 10:15:17 PM
Don’t know how reliable this account is but...


@Football_Mole
My sources tell me Tony Pulis will depart #wba by Tuesday once the terms of his severance package are agreed. That is the only delay to his leaving #scfc
#cpfc

Not sure why the two hashtags are Stoke and Palace  :-\

Quote from: divinewind on November 18, 2017, 10:29:10 PM
That would tie in with his interview. Williams probably gave him the news and said he would discuss terms with Lai.
Probably the reason Lai flew in.

A shame in a way that it got to this. I think he is probably a decent bloke, but his way of football was never our way.
I think he lost the dressing room at the tail end of last season, he should have gone at the end of it.

I think he probably flew in because we were playing Chelsea. Match of the Day said it had been planned for 6 weeks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on November 18, 2017, 11:38:49 PM
I was one of his supporters. I believed and still believe the prem is where we need to be.
But there comes a time when enough is enough, especially when we are fans of a club who have always been a bit special in the way we play.
To keep Pulis is like me living to be 100, but spending the next 38  years on life support.
There is a difference between living and existing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 19, 2017, 12:37:27 AM
Quote from: divinewind on November 18, 2017, 11:38:49 PM
I was one of his supporters. I believed and still believe the prem is where we need to be.
But there comes a time when enough is enough, especially when we are fans of a club who have always been a bit special in the way we play.
To keep Pulis is like me living to be 100, but spending the next 38  years on life support.
There is a difference between living and existing.

Welcome to where I was in 2016 with him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 19, 2017, 06:09:44 AM
Quote from: billvis on November 18, 2017, 10:06:21 PM
Wouldn't it be a shame if his veg had gone all soggy and his chops were dry and aaaarrrrd by the time he got home. Poor soul
Pathetic comment
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 08:04:34 AM
Quote from: billvis on November 18, 2017, 10:06:21 PM
Wouldn't it be a shame if his veg had gone all soggy and his chops were dry and aaaarrrrd by the time he got home. Poor soul


well I think its hilarious.

woke up this morning well and truly miffed hes still here. folks prepare yourself for the fizzy league, bring it on I say.
the only consolation if he is still here and takes us down his record is shot
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 19, 2017, 08:18:02 AM
I have always backed him, I believe quite rightly, but the recent standard of play with better players shows its time to move on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on November 19, 2017, 08:55:00 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on November 18, 2017, 11:33:46 PM
Not sure why the two hashtags are Stoke and Palace  :-\

I think he probably flew in because we were playing Chelsea. Match of the Day said it had been planned for 6 weeks
It must have been a little disappointing to have looked forward to seeing your team play for 6 weeks and to have witnessed that!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: section5 on November 19, 2017, 08:56:37 AM
It comes to the point where if we can't justify the style with results then what is left? I've been a supporter of pulis but this season we're not even hard to break down, which has previously been the bedrock and foundation of our play. Some baffling selections and defensive frailties have me seriously questioning pulis this season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on November 19, 2017, 09:02:50 AM
He was the tourniquet we need at the time & kept the clubs premiere dream alive but he
forgot to let the blood flow free to the rest of the body every now & than, now gangrene is setting in & drastic action is called upon to save the life of the club. Thanks & bye TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 19, 2017, 09:05:33 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on November 19, 2017, 06:09:44 AM
Pathetic comment
I sincerely apologise. Wishing ill on a man's meat is just a step too far, you're right. It's ever so aaaarrrrd to find the right Tone at times such as this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on November 19, 2017, 09:06:04 AM
Quote from: The Black Pearl on November 19, 2017, 08:18:02 AM
I have always backed him, I believe quite rightly, but the recent standard of play with better players shows its time to move on.
As at stoke once had better players at his disposal he simply couldn't make his way work - better players won't respond to being shouted and dictated from the sidelines - me seeing it from both him and megson made me think what do players like Barry, Evans etc think - they are not trusted?

He was perfect for what we needed at the time and performed wonders with Peace and his ways, id say a perfect match was made there.

But now with an owner who will spend money his style and type of approach is not a good fit.

Pundits are wrong when they blab on about pulis this and pulis that - he is a decent enough chap but he is a top of the bottom 8 manager at best not a pushing for top 10 manager. Leaving him in charge takes us back to where we began with him only with a bigger wage bill and older squad - how far has he really took us?

Be careful what you wish for I keep hearing - well yes it is a risk but I wish for a stadium full of fans raising the roof, looking forward to going and seeing younger players getting a chance and some endeavor and excitement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on November 19, 2017, 09:08:53 AM
Quote from: billvis on November 19, 2017, 09:05:33 AM
I sincerely apologise. Wishing ill on a man's meat is just a step too far, you're right. It's ever so aaaarrrrd to find the right Tone at times such as this.
I think we should leave his meat out of the discussion! 😦
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 09:11:57 AM
discussing on talksport now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 19, 2017, 09:28:23 AM
Quote from: Blowee on November 19, 2017, 09:08:53 AM
I think we should leave his meat out of the discussion! 😦
Really want to make a pun about it not being as aaaarrrrd as it used to be, what with all the stress. Bit that really would be too much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 19, 2017, 09:35:42 AM
A slot on Sunday Supplement coming up also.

Be interesting to see just how out of touch these National pundits are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 19, 2017, 09:49:33 AM
On 5 live before game yesterday, Pat Murphy, who I usually have a lot of time for, gave the old careful what you wish for lecture, then called us the West ham of the black country. Be interested to know if he still thinks that?

Still bound to be some 'Tony's your man' sentiment from the pundits. It'll be the ex-players and managers though mainly, I'd have thought. They don't like shooting their own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 10:09:54 AM
Quote from: ashdoy on November 19, 2017, 09:35:42 AM
A slot on Sunday Supplement coming up also.

Be interesting to see just how out of touch these National pundits are.


Pundits get on my wick, do they watch this rubbish week in week out, no they don't. they aint got a clue. just trying to protect the media darling
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 19, 2017, 10:10:00 AM
Quote from: section5 on November 19, 2017, 08:56:37 AM
It comes to the point where if we can't justify the style with results then what is left? I've been a supporter of pulis but this season we're not even hard to break down, which has previously been the bedrock and foundation of our play. Some baffling selections and defensive frailties have me seriously questioning pulis this season.

Very strange this season as we are an ultra defensive team  that cannot now defend !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 19, 2017, 10:10:27 AM
He's still in post then. >:(

Any more rumours adding strength that he will be gone by Tuesday morning and they are just working out his severance package? I hope Megson will be on his bike as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 19, 2017, 10:14:04 AM
In reply to pundits Martin Keown said it like it was and I saw a repeat last night of Jeff Stelling and Phil Thompson saying their bit and not defending Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 19, 2017, 10:15:22 AM
Quote from: billvis on November 19, 2017, 09:49:33 AM
Still bound to be some 'Tony's your man' sentiment from the pundits. It'll be the ex-players and managers though mainly, I'd have thought. They don't like shooting their own.
....unless the manager/coach in question is foreign, in which case they seem to be fair game!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 19, 2017, 10:18:36 AM
I see Shearer backing him, I see Savage backing him.

Utterly ridiculous.

Pulis’ slot up next on Sky Sports PL channel.

I fully expect them to belittle us and make us seem like a bunch of clueless twits.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 19, 2017, 10:20:35 AM
Quote from: Dexy on November 19, 2017, 10:14:04 AM
In reply to pundits Martin Keown said it like it was and I saw a repeat last night of Jeff Stelling and Phil Thompson saying their bit and not defending Pulis.

I think even full time pillock Garth Crooks was criticising him last night too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 19, 2017, 10:27:54 AM
It's the hope that kills you. Was never going to be sacked after a defeat to Chelsea. Neither will he be sacked after Wembley next week. He'll get the 3 games after that and if results don't turn then it should do for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on November 19, 2017, 10:31:30 AM
Ever Wonder why Newcastle didn't stick with Shearer....well lasts nights jibberish summed him up to a tee...#deluded
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 19, 2017, 10:40:01 AM
I never understand or believe what pundits say.
They are all part of the football clique.
Frightened to say what they really think in case they upset someone who may give them a future job etc.
I do have a bit of time for Martin Keogh he does talk fairly I think.
But people who keep saying be careful what you wish for are pathetic.
Do they think that Pulis is too good for us,or we are insignificant and shouldn't be or have no right to exist or be in the premier league or can't attract a quality manager?
I think Pulis has reached his limit months ago and should be relieved of his duties asap.
Money talks,we could easily pay a quality manager who has attacking principles because we do have good defenders here and pay him £5 million a year,are they telling me that a top manager wouldn't come here with the squad we have,the support we have please,of course a top guy would come,imagine if he did well here,its a win win situation all round.
Pundits no nothing about us,let's keep it that way,let's get our business done and move on,now.
Trouble is I don't know who to get in and we can't suggest anyone on this site either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 10:46:41 AM
121 games and 36 games won
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 19, 2017, 10:47:12 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 19, 2017, 10:27:54 AM
It's the hope that kills you. Was never going to be sacked after a defeat to Chelsea. Neither will he be sacked after Wembley next week. He'll get the 3 games after that and if results don't turn then it should do for him.

It's no longer just about results though is it ?
Performances have been dire and he looks incapable of turning this around - a turgid draw against Newcastle won't do it now !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 19, 2017, 10:47:40 AM
Quote from: gavinrussell on November 19, 2017, 10:31:30 AM
Ever Wonder why Newcastle didn't stick with Shearer....well lasts nights jibberish summed him up to a tee...#deluded

You can just see TP and Shearer having a belly laugh, getting along like old mates can't you? Sums up a lot of what is wrong at the top of the British game - little wonder many chairmen opt to go to a foreign coach. Tactics and nous of the game every time over old pals and connections.

Would welcome a spanish/portuguese/south American coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 19, 2017, 10:49:23 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 19, 2017, 10:27:54 AM
It's the hope that kills you. Was never going to be sacked after a defeat to Chelsea. Neither will he be sacked after Wembley next week. He'll get the 3 games after that and if results don't turn then it should do for him.
If I'm wrong i'll hold my hands up and I hope he turns it around but Pulis looks and sounds gone to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 19, 2017, 10:54:51 AM
Waiting until after the Palace and Swansea games would be near suicidal. He's proven this season he's incapable of getting results against sides we should be expecting to get something from. We could be starting to be cut adrift by that point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 11:00:45 AM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 19, 2017, 10:54:51 AM
Waiting until after the Palace and Swansea games would be near suicidal. He's proven this season he's incapable of getting results against sides we should be expecting to get something from. We could be starting to be cut adrift by that point.


absolutely correct, cut adrift and too much to do
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 19, 2017, 11:10:47 AM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 19, 2017, 10:54:51 AM
Waiting until after the Palace and Swansea games would be near suicidal. He's proven this season he's incapable of getting results against sides we should be expecting to get something from. We could be starting to be cut adrift by that point.

Apart from Burnley & Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 19, 2017, 11:12:28 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 19, 2017, 11:10:47 AM
Apart from Burnley & Bournemouth.

Anyone who went to Burnley must know how poor we were up there especially in the first half but we did at least defend properly (Dawson a big miss now ?).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 19, 2017, 11:13:33 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 19, 2017, 11:10:47 AM
Apart from Burnley & Bournemouth.

3 months ago...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 19, 2017, 11:18:13 AM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 19, 2017, 11:13:33 AM
3 months ago...

10 games sounds better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 19, 2017, 11:10:47 AM
Apart from Burnley & Bournemouth.


lucky on both occasions or maybe fortuanate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 19, 2017, 11:22:28 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 19, 2017, 11:18:13 AM
10 games sounds better.

More than a quarter of the season ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 19, 2017, 11:24:45 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 19, 2017, 11:18:13 AM
10 games sounds better.

Unfortunately, clinging onto our only 2 wins of the season isn't going to help us.

People say he should be given a few more games... fair enough Chelsea and spurs we can't realistically expect much but what if we fail to get anything from newcastle, palace and Swansea?.... Just makes it alot more difficult for anyone that would be replacing him having to face liverpool and United for the following games.

There is no time like the present.... atleast we would then have a fresh head in charge for the likes of Newcastle etc because based on pulis' form... we don't have much hope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 11:29:19 AM
no more time, we shouldn't be throwing in the towel on the field of play, yesterday a prime example. hes lost the dressing room. it needs to be now so we can go into the easier games fresh and raring to go. we do have attacking footballers you know
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 19, 2017, 11:40:03 AM
Maybe we'll give him until Christmas, let's wait and see. I still think he could get us out of this slump.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jimmy on November 19, 2017, 11:42:32 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 19, 2017, 11:40:03 AM
Maybe we'll give him until Christmas, let's wait and see. I still think he could get us out of this slump.

Say if another manager had put us in this slump then maybe yeah.

Its a lot harder to get yourself out of your own mess.

Also that would mean that we would have season after season of attritional football and for what?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 19, 2017, 11:40:03 AM
Maybe we'll give him until Christmas, let's wait and see. I still think he could get us out of this slump.


if that's the case we are doomed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 19, 2017, 11:47:53 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 19, 2017, 11:40:03 AM
Maybe we'll give him until Christmas, let's wait and see. I still think he could get us out of this slump.

Seriously, how?

he has put us into this slump, it's the way he plays, the way he sets up, the way he thinks.... in his own head he believes he is the best thing that's happened to our club, he believes his tactics work and that we are just 'unlucky'.

He has no intention whatsoever of changing his ways, so the football or results are not going to change.

If he shown that he was trying to turn things around, I would be happy to show support for his time here... but he isn't, he's happy to continue with the way things are which is just a downward spiral unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 19, 2017, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 19, 2017, 11:42:32 AM
Say if another manager had put us in this slump then maybe yeah.

Its a lot harder to get yourself out of your own mess.

Also that would mean that we would have season after season of attritional football and for what?

I just think after the Chelsea game if they are not prepared to sack him after that then they are giving him time and a chance against the likes of Palace and Newcastle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 19, 2017, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: Legend on November 19, 2017, 11:40:03 AM
Maybe we'll give him until Christmas, let's wait and see. I still think he could get us out of this slump.

Surely even you can see he is just waiting for his pay off now? I wish he could turn us around because I would rather see us have a run like we had last season and get to the summer and part ways then because I have absolutely no faith in our board to appoint the right replacement currently, but it just isn’t going to happy. He wants his money and to be out of here, so performances are going to continue as they have been over the past 2 months until he gets his wish
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 19, 2017, 11:58:29 AM
He’s not going is he  :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 19, 2017, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 19, 2017, 11:50:40 AM
Surely even you can see he is just waiting for his pay off now? I wish he could turn us around because I would rather see us have a run like we had last season and get to the summer and part ways then because I have absolutely no faith in our board to appoint the right replacement currently, but it just isn’t going to happy. He wants his money and to be out of here, so performances are going to continue as they have been over the past 2 months until he gets his wish

My ideal situation right now would be Pulis turn us around we stay up, we shake hands and part ways in the Summer and look to get a more progressive manager in. At this moment in time if we do get rid of Pulis then we will get someone in to keep us up at all costs but it will probably be the same football we are witnessing now, unless we offered that person a short term deal till the end of the season or something.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 19, 2017, 12:09:47 PM
Interesting...

Don't know if there is any truth in this but there was a consensus of opinion near where I sit that the payout to Pulis, if sacked, would be much reduced if the axe fell whilst we were in the bottom 3. If so, could they be waiting for either West Ham to win today or for next week when we fall?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 12:10:38 PM
Williams out for encouraging this turgid torcher by offering him another contract.idiots
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 19, 2017, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 19, 2017, 12:01:57 PM
My ideal situation right now would be Pulis turn us around we stay up, we shake hands and part ways in the Summer and look to get a more progressive manager in. At this moment in time if we do get rid of Pulis then we will get someone in to keep us up at all costs but it will probably be the same football we are witnessing now, unless we offered that person a short term deal till the end of the season or something.

What has he done differently over the last 2 moths to change this slump?? Nothing. Same line up. Same tactics = Same outcome. He hasn't had a plan B or C. He admits we need luck!!!! When a manager is grasping for luck you know they have run out of ideas, although he only has 1 idea in the first place. As someone else mentioned, bang average players will run around and work aard, but better players expect to actually play football, and, god forbid, try to win a game by playing football, rather than a lucky goal. Do you actually want to wait until we are actually relegated before admitting it hasn't work, or do something about it. If you had a car that kept breaking down, week in and week out, would you keep it in the hope it sorted itself out, or get rid
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 12:14:34 PM
even more bizarrely the better footballers we have are not his and they are the ones we need in the team right now. he cant be trusted with any money more fool you Lai for letting him spend it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 19, 2017, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 19, 2017, 12:09:47 PM
Interesting...

Don't know if there is any truth in this but there was a consensus of opinion near where I sit that the payout to Pulis, if sacked, would be much reduced if the axe fell whilst we were in the bottom 3. If so, could they be waiting for either West Ham to win today or for next week when we fall?

What other clubs do results-wise should have no bearing on it. It changes nothing about the performance or results of the team Pulis manages whether West Ham get thumped or win today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 12:17:03 PM
Max Rushden who predicted us to go down at the start of the season just said pulis is good for the premier league, this is what we are up against. idiot pundit
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 19, 2017, 12:19:58 PM
Come on Legend be reasonable. Pulis had a dream start to this season with some VERY winnable games. It didn't happen. Even when we won it was ugly and barely deserved. This squad are capable of much more than they are achieving. They are at an all time low on confidence and not allowed to have the right shape for attacking, while we haemorrhage goals with a lacklustre defence.

If he isn't replaced and right NOW we are down and out - or at least the next manager has and even HARDER time to keep us up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 19, 2017, 12:31:36 PM
The bit that worries me most is if you look at his past records he tends to be able to stop winless runs with a win or pick up points along the line. He doesn’t seem to be doing that lately and he looks defeated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: billvis on November 19, 2017, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 19, 2017, 12:09:47 PM
Interesting...

Don't know if there is any truth in this but there was a consensus of opinion near where I sit that the payout to Pulis, if sacked, would be much reduced if the axe fell whilst we were in the bottom 3. If so, could they be waiting for either West Ham to win today or for next week when we fall?
That would explain a fair bit. How ITK would you say your sources were?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 19, 2017, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: billvis on November 19, 2017, 12:35:49 PM
That would explain a fair bit. How ITK would you say your sources were?

I don't know. I just saw it posted on another Albion forum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 19, 2017, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 19, 2017, 12:09:47 PM
Interesting...

Don't know if there is any truth in this but there was a consensus of opinion near where I sit that the payout to Pulis, if sacked, would be much reduced if the axe fell whilst we were in the bottom 3. If so, could they be waiting for either West Ham to win today or for next week when we fall?

I really doubt his contract would be that specific but if it was cut and pasted from his last one with JP then it probably is in there! Clever Albion lawyers if true.

The way he shot off yesterday surely he won't drive all the way back to take training?? If he does his sessions aren't going to go too well..

When is the first training session after a Saturday game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on November 19, 2017, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 12:10:38 PM
Williams out for encouraging this turgid torcher by offering him another contract.idiots
agree with you, blokes clueless in the hot seat when blackburn got relagated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: paulosull on November 19, 2017, 01:02:32 PM
agree with you, blokes clueless in the hot seat when blackburn got relagated.


another Steve kean situation
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on November 19, 2017, 01:13:26 PM
Cant wait to see a new topic saying who next for west brom manager . Blokes boomed and looks it . Him and megson have to go now .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hillsm on November 19, 2017, 01:26:30 PM
I've been a staunch supporter of TP, but the Southampton and Huddersfield games were the tipping point for me.
He said yesterday that the goals we conceded were defensive mistakes, so rather than having the players in today for training and trying to rectify this, he's down in Bournemouth. Clearly he doesn't have the heart for the fight and it's evident the players have had enough too. We should act now so we've got a replacement in for the Newcastle game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 19, 2017, 01:28:19 PM
He dicked both Gillingham and Palace. I doubt he would have signed a contract where he didn't get the full money no matter what position we are in. I blame the club for this. They gave him the extension instead of letting him go with dignity when all parties had the chance. The Chelsea thrashing was an exclamation point on how he wont get us out of this. The players don't want to play for him. Basically 8-0-2 with this squad unacceptable I don't understand the delay in sacking him. It would be a shame for whoever caretakers at spurs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 19, 2017, 01:29:41 PM
Quote from: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 19, 2017, 01:28:19 PM
It would be a shame for whoever caretakers at spurs

Or a game where there is no pressure and we can be freed from the shackles of Pulis, the players might enjoy it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 19, 2017, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: paulosull on November 19, 2017, 01:02:32 PM
agree with you, blokes clueless in the hot seat when blackburn got relagated.

Williams previously served as chairman and chief executive of Blackburn Rovers F.C., having been appointed to the board in 1997 and then promoted to chairman/chief executive in 1998 by the club's then owner Jack Walker.[1]

With Williams at the helm Rovers enjoyed notable success, winning promotion back to the Premier League in the 2000/01 season. Followed by 10 consecutive seasons in the Premier League (many of which resulted in top 10 finishes), qualification to the UEFA cup 3 times in 5 years, League cup victory in 2001/02 and 2 FA cup semi finals in 2004/05 and 2006/07.

Williams resigned his position as Chairman in February 2011, after becoming dissatisfied with the club's new owners Venky's London Ltd., especially after they made the decision to sack manager Sam Allardyce in November 2010, Allardyce had only just concluded a successful season at Rovers, with the club having reached the semi finals of the League cup and ended the 2009/10 season in the top 10.[2] Shortly after Williams's departure, Blackburn Rovers were relegated to the Championship, in May 2012.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 19, 2017, 01:31:47 PM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 19, 2017, 01:29:41 PM
Or a game where there is no pressure and we can be freed from the shackles of Pulis, the players might enjoy it!

True but he has to go and now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on November 19, 2017, 01:32:03 PM
The worst bit about all of this is it makes me miss Jeremy Peace. My concern is the chairman and Nicky Hammond (is he still employed) ;) realise he needs to go but have no-one lined up. They won’t sack him until they have someone. Their ability to pick a decent replacement is up for debate...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on November 19, 2017, 01:33:32 PM
Quote from: OllieTheBaggie on November 19, 2017, 01:21:16 PM
It's amazing that people still want to give him the Palace and Newcastle games, the way we're going we're comfortably going to throw away at least another 4-6 winnable points and still have moved absolutely nowhere for it in the broader terms of the season. If West Ham or Palace start picking up form we're going to be left on our a##es, we need to make a change NOW.

We evidently should have got rid in the summer and it was a cowardly move by the board to give him an extension, they assumed it would be another couple of years of comfortable Premier League survival and we'd be sitting dry every year. When you stop trying to move forward there's only one way you're going to go/
yes he should have gone in summer after poor finish to season but board are gutless to react and unfortunatly for us fans i predict that we will be the first team to be relagated with pulis in charge if williams doesnt grow a pair. time is up and even tony knows it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on November 19, 2017, 01:37:22 PM
Quote from: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 19, 2017, 01:29:49 PM
Williams previously served as chairman and chief executive of Blackburn Rovers F.C., having been appointed to the board in 1997 and then promoted to chairman/chief executive in 1998 by the club's then owner Jack Walker.[1]

With Williams at the helm Rovers enjoyed notable success, winning promotion back to the Premier League in the 2000/01 season. Followed by 10 consecutive seasons in the Premier League (many of which resulted in top 10 finishes), qualification to the UEFA cup 3 times in 5 years, League cup victory in 2001/02 and 2 FA cup semi finals in 2004/05 and 2006/07.

Williams resigned his position as Chairman in February 2011, after becoming dissatisfied with the club's new owners Venky's London Ltd., especially after they made the decision to sack manager Sam Allardyce in November 2010, Allardyce had only just concluded a successful season at Rovers, with the club having reached the semi finals of the League cup and ended the 2009/10 season in the top 10.[2] Shortly after Williams's departure, Blackburn Rovers were relegated to the Championship, in May 2012.
missed part of your cv williams relagated when hodgson was in charge ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Foster#1 on November 19, 2017, 01:41:19 PM
Zheng Zhi will be our manager

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan87uk on November 19, 2017, 01:47:12 PM
https://twitter.com/Albion_First/status/932242357680070656

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Relax Albion fans. Be patient. The board are just putting together the 24 man legal team and 3 Supreme Court judges that a football club requires to sack Tony Pulis without mortgaging the stadium #WBA #PulisOut
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Can't say we don't still have a sense of humour at least  ;D
It's only a matter of time now, probably just getting all their ducks in a row about the post sacking terms before announcing. I like many others also cannot wait for the "new manager" thread as there's a couple in mind i'd like to see.....will have to sit tight until it's official though I guess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 19, 2017, 01:47:43 PM
Quote from: Foster#1 on November 19, 2017, 01:41:19 PM
Zheng Zhi will be our manager
Obviously you don't mean next, it's just a state,net in the future because you are aware of the rules 😄😄😄

I get the thought process and would assume that Lai watches plenty of football in china, some big names both playing and manergerial 😉 over there so I can see a link.

Tony's here now and I wouldn't comment on replacements

But waaaaaaay down the line, you would be interested to see what the following thought of our club
Viera
Henry
Mcinnes
Appleton
Mazzari
Hagi
Zico
Sven
Rangnick
Koeman

I suppose there are are choices..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on November 19, 2017, 01:48:36 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 19, 2017, 12:09:47 PM
Interesting...

Don't know if there is any truth in this but there was a consensus of opinion near where I sit that the payout to Pulis, if sacked, would be much reduced if the axe fell whilst we were in the bottom 3. If so, could they be waiting for either West Ham to win today or for next week when we fall?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd imagine the principals in this are negotiating a severance package where everyone comes out of it saving face.
I'd also imagine Pulis & his advisors are trying to maximise his compensation package ( hence his "WBA are better off since I arrived" statements)
Personally, I don't think he can turn it around now, & from his post match conference, neither does he, & I would be really surprised, if the club didn't make an announcement in the next couple of days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 19, 2017, 01:52:27 PM
Quote from: Dan87uk on November 19, 2017, 01:47:12 PM
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Relax Albion fans. Be patient. The board are just putting together the 24 man legal team and 3 Supreme Court judges that a football club requires to sack Tony Pulis without mortgaging the stadium #WBA #PulisOut
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Can't say we don't still have a sense of humour at least  ;D
It's only a matter of time now, probably just getting all their ducks in a row about the post sacking terms before announcing. I like many others also cannot wait for the "new manager" thread as there's a couple in mind i'd like to see.....will have to sit tight until it's official though I guess.
Just my opinion

I think he knows it is untenable, no one in their right mind would want to leave of their own accord, his handshake should at the very least allow him to manage wales for 2 years on a decent salary .
To accuse him of engineering the sack is probably too harsh, but most people would have changed it up a little?
He knows modern management, and when chadli,Phillips et al, knock on the chairmans door ....it usually only goes one way
I think the announcement will be Monday , I think we have far more options than are being touted and I think we stay up

If he gets the next 3 games I genuinely think it ruins the season and we will go down, but Lai ain't daft , they look at risk and trends, there is no current value to TP continuing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 19, 2017, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: paulosull on November 19, 2017, 01:33:32 PM
yes he should have gone in summer after poor finish to season but board are gutless to react and unfortunatly for us fans i predict that we will be the first team to be relagated with pulis in charge if williams doesnt grow a pair. time is up and even tony knows it.

This puts pulis in a weird position if they don't sack him it damages his "brand" apart from his mates everyone can see he's in a relegation battle with a squad that shouldn't be. if we go down with him he becomes another Dave Jones or Megson. He can't just walk either as he owes all that court case money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on November 19, 2017, 01:58:53 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on November 19, 2017, 01:47:43 PM
Obviously you don't mean next, it's just a state,net in the future because you are aware of the rules 😄😄😄

I get the thought process and would assume that Lai watches plenty of football in china, some big names both playing and manergerial 😉 over there so I can see a link.

Tony's here now and I wouldn't comment on replacements

But waaaaaaay down the line, you would be interested to see what the following thought of our club
Viera
Henry
Mcinnes
Appleton
Mazzari
Hagi
Zico
Sven
Rangnick
Koeman

I suppose there are are choices..

Rangnik Its always Rangnik  :P :P ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 19, 2017, 02:01:11 PM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on November 19, 2017, 01:47:43 PM
Obviously you don't mean next, it's just a state,net in the future because you are aware of the rules 😄😄😄

I get the thought process and would assume that Lai watches plenty of football in china, some big names both playing and manergerial 😉 over there so I can see a link.

Tony's here now and I wouldn't comment on replacements

But waaaaaaay down the line, you would be interested to see what the following thought of our club
Viera
Henry
Mcinnes
Appleton
Mazzari
Hagi
Zico
Sven
Rangnick
Koeman

I suppose there are are choices..

Behave  ;) :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 19, 2017, 02:01:32 PM
His whole football philosophy is about defensive discipline and defensive shape. Whilst some people might agree with him on that, surely when you go behind in a game, you have to change the team's shape and go more attacking. If you don't, like v Chelsea, you only want to keep the score down. Is that what we, WBA, should be trying in our home games, just keeping the score down??? The trouble is, he is inacapable of playing any other way. That's all he knows.
I just hope that he goes before our most talented and creative players decide they've had enough. When a new manager come in, we don't want him to be left with the least creative Pulis players. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 19, 2017, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: east-stand-nick on November 19, 2017, 10:54:51 AM
Waiting until after the Palace and Swansea games would be near suicidal. He's proven this season he's incapable of getting results against sides we should be expecting to get something from. We could be starting to be cut adrift by that point.
agreed.you can just picture and hear his pre match presso now with him talking both of them up and comparing them to Barcelona.get rid NOW while we still have a chance of winning points against them before this bozo sinks us deeper in the brown stuff
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on November 19, 2017, 02:05:29 PM
Editor of E&S reckons he'll be sacked tomorrow.

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Tony Pulis expected to be sacked by Albion tomorrow. Seems resigned to his fate. Wouldn't have anything to do with the Wales job, would it?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 19, 2017, 02:08:17 PM
Quote from: spencer Baggie on November 19, 2017, 02:05:29 PM
Editor of E&S reckons he'll be sacked tomorrow.

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Tony Pulis expected to be sacked by Albion tomorrow. Seems resigned to his fate. Wouldn't have anything to do with the Wales job, would it?

Don't understand why they wouldn't just announce it today. The whole "working out severance package" stuff doesn't make sense to me; just place him on gardening leave and sort that stuff out afterwards. Stop dragging it all out, Albion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 19, 2017, 02:11:43 PM
Quote from: paulosull on November 19, 2017, 01:37:22 PM
missed part of your cv williams relagated when hodgson was in charge ;)

Blackburn were relegated under Brian Kidd
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on November 19, 2017, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 19, 2017, 02:11:43 PM
Blackburn were relegated under Brian Kidd
thought you sacked him and brought Roy in?  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 19, 2017, 02:21:43 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42040931

This will probably resonate with most of us from a pundit who sees it as we do. 

Keown added: "I don't think Tony Pulis can survive this. Partly that's down to the brand of football - we are coming towards the end of his time at The Hawthorns.

"This sort of poor West Brom performance is game after game. The Baggies need a shot of creativity right through the club. Are the players being asked to play football by the management?

"This has been a long time coming, and this result and performance today is really going to test the resolve of the owner.

"You never like to see someone lose their job but I'd be amazed if, by the next West Brom game, Tony Pulis is still in the job. It was dire today. There's only one way to go and that is to the Exit door for Pulis."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on November 19, 2017, 02:26:24 PM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on November 19, 2017, 02:21:43 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42040931

This will probably resonate with most of us from a pundit who sees it as we do. 

Keown added: "I don't think Tony Pulis can survive this. Partly that's down to the brand of football - we are coming towards the end of his time at The Hawthorns.

"This sort of poor West Brom performance is game after game. The Baggies need a shot of creativity right through the club. Are the players being asked to play football by the management?

"This has been a long time coming, and this result and performance today is really going to test the resolve of the owner.

"You never like to see someone lose their job but I'd be amazed if, by the next West Brom game, Tony Pulis is still in the job. It was dire today. There's only one way to go and that is to the Exit door for Pulis."

BBC will be telling Keown off for being honest I bet
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 19, 2017, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: paulosull on November 19, 2017, 02:19:01 PM
thought you sacked him and brought Roy in?  :)

No I sacked Roy and brought Brian in. It’s all on Wikipedia  :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on November 19, 2017, 02:36:18 PM
Quote from: wbawill on November 19, 2017, 02:08:17 PM
Don't understand why they wouldn't just announce it today. The whole "working out severance package" stuff doesn't make sense to me; just place him on gardening leave and sort that stuff out afterwards. Stop dragging it all out, Albion.

I don't think the E + S actually know anything, I think they're just going off his post-match interview where even he didn't seem keen to carry on.

I wouldn't actually be surprised if its a situation where even Pulis wants to go, but Williams wants him to stay given he'll have to explain why he's just cost the owners an extra 2m by extending his contract in August for no reason.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on November 19, 2017, 03:08:45 PM
Quote from: Dan on November 19, 2017, 02:36:18 PM
I don't think the E + S actually know anything, I think they're just going off his post-match interview where even he didn't seem keen to carry on.

I wouldn't actually be surprised if its a situation where even Pulis wants to go, but Williams wants him to stay given he'll have to explain why he's just cost the owners an extra 2m by extending his contract in August for no reason.

And therein lies our biggest problem, blokes in powerful positions hate to be seen losing face and refuse to back down from their decisions. I still believe we're stuck with Pulis until the end of the season.....whatever the outcome. They don't care what the fans think, they just want to stay in the greed league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 19, 2017, 03:41:42 PM
Quote from: hillsm on November 19, 2017, 01:26:30 PM
I've been a staunch supporter of TP, but the Southampton and Huddersfield games were the tipping point for me.
He said yesterday that the goals we conceded were defensive mistakes, so rather than having the players in today for training and trying to rectify this, he's down in Bournemouth. Clearly he doesn't have the heart for the fight and it's evident the players have had enough too. We should act now so we've got a replacement in for the Newcastle game.

Plus he's only just back from a week on the beach !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 19, 2017, 03:45:53 PM
Quote from: TAFKATMNo1Fan on November 19, 2017, 01:29:49 PM
Williams previously served as chairman and chief executive of Blackburn Rovers F.C., having been appointed to the board in 1997 and then promoted to chairman/chief executive in 1998 by the club's then owner Jack Walker.[1]

With Williams at the helm Rovers enjoyed notable success, winning promotion back to the Premier League in the 2000/01 season. Followed by 10 consecutive seasons in the Premier League (many of which resulted in top 10 finishes), qualification to the UEFA cup 3 times in 5 years, League cup victory in 2001/02 and 2 FA cup semi finals in 2004/05 and 2006/07.

Williams resigned his position as Chairman in February 2011, after becoming dissatisfied with the club's new owners Venky's London Ltd., especially after they made the decision to sack manager Sam Allardyce in November 2010, Allardyce had only just concluded a successful season at Rovers, with the club having reached the semi finals of the League cup and ended the 2009/10 season in the top 10.[2] Shortly after Williams's departure, Blackburn Rovers were relegated to the Championship, in May 2012.

Reading that roll of success is just incredible for a club of Blackburn's size and all after their Prem win too !  Makes you see just how poor we have been as a club in the last thirty years of doing next to nothing trophy or European wise !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mateinone on November 19, 2017, 03:53:48 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on November 19, 2017, 03:45:53 PM
Reading that roll of success is just incredible for a club of Blackburn's size and all after their Prem win too !  Makes you see just how poor we have been as a club in the last thirty years of doing next to nothing trophy or European wise !!

Hardly..
Just because Blackburn have done that, it doesn't mean we have been poor by any stretch.
Over the last 10 years we have been a mainstay in the Prem. We have held the club together despite some huge rises in the expense of players and managed not to ever go into financial troubles whilst most seasons being 'comfortable' in the Prem.

Our football hasn't been the most attractive at times, I think it is easy to see that, but just because we haven't won a cup or reached Europe, it doesn't mean we have been poor.

I don't think objectively if you were to pick the 20 biggest, more well known clubs in England, that we would get much of a mention, yet here we are ... In the Prem whilst others dither below us.

Pulis needs to go, but it doesn't detract from what our club has achieved (imo)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 19, 2017, 04:48:12 PM
Express & Star running a poll on replacement they clearly believe that he's as good as gone

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/19/poll-who-would-you-like-to-see-replace-tony-pulis-as-west-brom-boss-if-he-is-sacked/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 19, 2017, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: mateinone on November 19, 2017, 03:53:48 PM
Hardly..
Just because Blackburn have done that, it doesn't mean we have been poor by any stretch.
Over the last 10 years we have been a mainstay in the Prem. We have held the club together despite some huge rises in the expense of players and managed not to ever go into financial troubles whilst most seasons being 'comfortable' in the Prem.

Our football hasn't been the most attractive at times, I think it is easy to see that, but just because we haven't won a cup or reached Europe, it doesn't mean we have been poor.

I don't think objectively if you were to pick the 20 biggest, more well known clubs in England, that we would get much of a mention, yet here we are ... In the Prem whilst others dither below us.

Pulis needs to go, but it doesn't detract from what our club has achieved (imo)

But, on the flip side, we've not been close to winning anything or Europe bar the Portsmouth Semi for 35 years and not won a bean in 50 which is incredible really for a club of our standing.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan87uk on November 19, 2017, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: Standaman on November 19, 2017, 04:48:12 PM
Express & Star running a poll on replacement they clearly believe that he's as good as gone

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/19/poll-who-would-you-like-to-see-replace-tony-pulis-as-west-brom-boss-if-he-is-sacked/

List is a bit naff though. Missing the main person I think we should be going for and they haven't put an "other" option

(Have made my opinion clear on twitter, can't post it here of course)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 19, 2017, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: Dan87uk on November 19, 2017, 04:55:05 PM
List is a bit naff though. Missing the main person I think we should be going for and they haven't put an "other" option

(Have made my opinion clear on twitter, can't post it here of course)

I have a list of runners ready for posting the day he is gone includes some on the E&S list but quite a few others the bar is now so low I'm almost at the point of anyone but Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 19, 2017, 05:24:24 PM
Quote from: Standaman on November 19, 2017, 05:15:21 PM
I have a list of runners ready for posting the day he is gone includes some on the E&S list but quite a few others the bar is now so low I'm almost at the point of anyone but Pulis.

That's the problem but that's where we are as we have no hope at the moment things are just so bad on and off the pitch; we can't defend and we can't attack/score goals !
Pulis is unable to change........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 19, 2017, 05:31:46 PM
Yea I think a big concern is I don't think the Board want to be paying 3 managers if we sack TP hire a new guy to a 2 year deal and then replace him in the summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on November 19, 2017, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on November 19, 2017, 04:54:28 PM
But, on the flip side, we've not been close to winning anything or Europe bar the Portsmouth Semi for 35 years and not won a bean in 50 which is incredible really for a club of our standing.....

Yes and it saddens me to say again we have become a 'Just glad to be here club'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 19, 2017, 05:51:47 PM
Quote from: Dan87uk on November 19, 2017, 04:55:05 PM
List is a bit naff though. Missing the main person I think we should be going for and they haven't put an "other" option

(Have made my opinion clear on twitter, can't post it here of course)
Other than Pardew, I think j'd take any of them.
There are others though, hopefully we can discuss tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 19, 2017, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 19, 2017, 05:51:47 PM
Other than Pardew, I think j'd take any of them.
There are others though, hopefully we can discuss tomorrow.

Maybe sooner than you think so stop name dropping please folks  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 19, 2017, 05:54:19 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on November 19, 2017, 05:52:47 PM
Maybe sooner than you think so stop name dropping please folks  ;)
I only said who I didn't want  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 19, 2017, 06:23:31 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on November 19, 2017, 05:52:47 PM
Maybe sooner than you think so stop name dropping please folks  ;)

Are you claiming some knowledge here? Teasing us!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 19, 2017, 06:40:17 PM
Quote from: wbawill on November 19, 2017, 06:23:31 PM
Are you claiming some knowledge here? Teasing us!

No no no, nothing like that, sorry. Was the topic of "who's next" not news of Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 19, 2017, 06:55:31 PM
Right, to avoid a few moans a topic has been created for a new manager, as it states if Pulis gets a vote of confidence the topic gets locked.

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=20937.0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 19, 2017, 06:57:40 PM
Quote from: Dan87uk on November 19, 2017, 04:55:05 PM
List is a bit naff though. Missing the main person I think we should be going for and they haven't put an "other" option

(Have made my opinion clear on twitter, can't post it here of course)

No I think our best choice is there (have also backed that up on twitter). By the way, obviously the list is not necessarily drawn up or voted on by Albion fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Beefy on November 19, 2017, 07:10:23 PM
Express and star saying he will be sacked on monday now !!

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Tony Pulis expected to be sacked by Albion tomorrow. Seems resigned to his fate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on November 19, 2017, 07:24:38 PM
Quote from: Standaman on November 19, 2017, 04:48:12 PM
Express & Star running a poll on replacement they clearly believe that he's as good as gone

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/11/19/poll-who-would-you-like-to-see-replace-tony-pulis-as-west-brom-boss-if-he-is-sacked/
And I agree with the top vote in that pole. He would be a great appointment in my opinion. Show us some intent Guoachuan Lai and get a manager of this quality and we wont be relegated. I'm sick of this "be careful what you wish for" Pulis will take us down if he stays. Don't get the top manager in the E&S pole and we will struggle also.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 19, 2017, 07:28:34 PM
Odds with sky bet are 2/5 if anyone thinks he’s good as gone could be an easy money earner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 07:30:58 PM
The sooner the better. I will purchase a half ticket in the brummie. Then go back to Halfords next season whatever league we are in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 19, 2017, 07:32:22 PM
Did Tone enjoy his Saturday night with his pals ?

He certainly helped ruin part of mine !!    :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 07:37:04 PM
Quote from: AlbionBest on November 19, 2017, 07:32:22 PM
Did Tone enjoy his Saturday night with his pals ?

He certainly helped ruin part of mine !!    :D


His dinner was all dried up by the time he got back, dinners in the dog
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 19, 2017, 07:38:54 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 07:37:04 PM

His dinner was all dried up by the time he got back, dinners in the dog

That would be a kind of poetic justice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 19, 2017, 07:40:35 PM
Hope he gets hoofed out Pulisball style.

Sorry, he did great for us but way past his sell by date.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 07:41:55 PM
I am sad with some of the verbal stuff I see on social media but it's time for a new dawn
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on November 19, 2017, 07:53:56 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on November 19, 2017, 06:55:31 PM
Right, to avoid a few moans a topic has been created for a new manager, as it states if Pulis gets a vote of confidence the topic gets locked.

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=20937.0

I can't see it does any harm, WM was asking Albion fans who they would want in place of him and he was still in the ground.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 19, 2017, 07:55:18 PM
He is a bit like Mugabe.
He knows his time is up, but wont do the honourable thing and leave.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on November 19, 2017, 08:00:52 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on November 19, 2017, 07:55:18 PM
He is a bit like Mugabe.
He knows his time is up, but wont do the honourable thing and leave.

Just waiting for them to count out his money. I would be very surprised if he is still here this time tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 19, 2017, 08:02:41 PM
Both have brought a great unit (? for want of a better word) to its knees.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 19, 2017, 08:03:35 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on November 19, 2017, 07:55:18 PM
He is a bit like Mugabe.
He knows his time is up, but wont do the honourable thing and leave.

Brilliant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on November 19, 2017, 07:55:18 PM
He is a bit like Mugabe.
He knows his time is up, but wont do the honourable thing and leave.


That's funny, just been watching sky news have we
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 19, 2017, 08:07:08 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2017, 08:05:44 PM

That's funny, just been watching sky news have we
Nope. Just looked at the BBC online site. (Similar idea though).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 19, 2017, 08:11:34 PM
Quote from: divinewind on November 19, 2017, 07:53:56 PM
I can't see it does any harm, WM was asking Albion fans who they would want in place of him and he was still in the ground.

Because its a rule we have always had and will not be changing. A vote between the mod/ admin team voted to keep it that way until we had a vote today about this Pulis and whether he will be going.

There is a topic which we have started so can people please use that one to discuss names. As stated if the club give a vote of confidence that topic will be locked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan87uk on November 19, 2017, 08:39:47 PM
Twitter seems to have blown up with "Pulis has now been sacked" updates in the last 15 mins or so.... I'd still like to see it from the club officially though (or at least from someone credible to be ITK) before we can believe it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on November 19, 2017, 08:56:40 PM
 I would be surprised if there is any announcement before tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 19, 2017, 09:27:39 PM
It looks like it's going to happen, I predicted he would be given more time but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Thank you Tony for the great job you have done here. Top bloke and a top manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ALFABAGGIE on November 19, 2017, 09:28:32 PM
TBH at the moment I'm more angry at the board than Pulis, they've had 2 weeks to make a decision after the Huddersfield debacle, now they knew full well the next game was Chelsea- a game in all probability the team would lose anyway so the team and Pulis went into that game on their arses. They get hammered (again always a possibility the way things are going) and now the board are thinking 'oh' maybe we have to sack him now. Bit of a joke really and a waste of a least two weeks. Just hope this board knows what it's doing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 19, 2017, 09:29:38 PM
I'm not at all convinced it's as far advanced as everyone seems to think and that list of managers should be a reality check.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 19, 2017, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 19, 2017, 09:29:38 PM
I'm not at all convinced it's as far advanced as everyone seems to think and that list of managers should be a reality check.

I think our relegation likelihood is pretty advanced at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 19, 2017, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: ALFABAGGIE on November 19, 2017, 09:28:32 PM
TBH at the moment I'm more angry at the board than Pulis, they've had 2 weeks to make a decision after the Huddersfield debacle, now they knew full well the next game was Chelsea- a game in all probability the team would lose anyway so the team and Pulis went into that game on their arses. They get hammered (again always a possibility the way things are going) and now the board are thinking 'oh' maybe we have to sack him now. Bit of a joke really and a waste of a least two weeks. Just hope this board knows what it's doing.

Spot on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 19, 2017, 10:02:35 PM
Quote from: ex coseley kid on November 19, 2017, 09:52:23 PM
I think our relegation likelihood is pretty advanced at the moment.


Not in the bottom three and 78 points to play for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 19, 2017, 10:09:22 PM
I'm disappointed that the weekend's over and Pulis is still with us. However, it's also the case that John Williams hasn't come out and given him a vote of confidence either, so hope springs eternal for tomorrow....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 19, 2017, 10:57:37 PM
The end is nigh according to John Percy in the telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/11/19/tony-pulis-heads-west-brom-exit-day-crunch-talks/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 19, 2017, 11:06:25 PM
Quote from: Standaman on November 19, 2017, 10:57:37 PM
The end is nigh according to John Percy in the telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/11/19/tony-pulis-heads-west-brom-exit-day-crunch-talks/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/11/19/tony-pulis-heads-west-brom-exit-day-crunch-talks/)


This lends credibility to the departure. Interesting times ahead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 19, 2017, 11:13:48 PM
Looks like tomorrow will be the day.

Thanks for your efforts Tony. All the best. But I am glad you're going.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 19, 2017, 11:18:53 PM
As I said earlier , when Pulis pretty much looks lost then the games up which was clear post match.
I was never keen on large parts of his football but he's done a lot of good stuff for the club and I hope in time people can see that.
Still a bit staggered how he lost control so quickly in all honesty , wish him well and hope Williams and the owners know how big this next appointment is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 19, 2017, 11:25:11 PM
I'm so excited about tomorrow. :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 19, 2017, 11:31:00 PM
Quote from: cornishbaggie on November 19, 2017, 11:25:11 PM
I'm so excited about tomorrow. :P

I'm not. A few days after we will end up bringing Pardew in and I will be about done with my club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 19, 2017, 11:42:28 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 19, 2017, 11:31:00 PM
I'm not. A few days after we will end up bringing Pardew in and I will be about done with my club.

True. Pardew, fat Sam anyone of that ilk.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on November 19, 2017, 11:43:28 PM
Quote from: Dexy on November 19, 2017, 11:18:53 PM
As I said earlier , when Pulis pretty much looks lost then the games up which was clear post match.
I was never keen on large parts of his football but he's done a lot of good stuff for the club and I hope in time people can see that.
Still a bit staggered how he lost control so quickly in all honesty , wish him well and hope Williams and the owners know how big this next appointment is.

Iv been very critical of Pulis over the years but he's done a good job here, without him we'd have certainly gone down that year we sacked Irvine and we undoubtedly have a better team of players than when he took over too. Personally he should have gone in the summer last year it was getting fairly obvious towards the end of last season the players had started to tune him out. The team mentally looks spent and the next person coming in needs to pick them up quickly make no doubt about it we're going to be in a relegation scrap this season.

Thanks for all your work Tony but I'm certainly glad to see the back of you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionsteve on November 20, 2017, 06:55:16 AM
I’m guessing that all the pundits and experts who have been telling us he’s the only man that could keep us up will now suggest he goes to Everton, (should he become free of course, Mods) or is he not going to be good enough for them!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on November 20, 2017, 10:13:23 AM
gone ssn now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on November 20, 2017, 10:13:47 AM
YEEEEESSSS!! At last.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies97 on November 20, 2017, 10:14:14 AM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/november/club-statement-on-head-coach/

Quote
WEST Bromwich Albion have today terminated the contract of Head Coach Tony Pulis.

Chairman John Williams said: "These decisions are never taken lightly but always in the interests of the Club.

"We are in a results business and over the back end of last season and this season to date, ours have been very disappointing.

"We would like to place on record our appreciation of Tony's contribution and hard work during a period of transition for the Club which included a change of ownership. We wish him well in his future endeavours."

Assistant Head Coach Gary Megson has agreed to take charge of first-team affairs until further notice.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 20, 2017, 10:14:41 AM
good bye and good luck
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on November 20, 2017, 10:15:08 AM
Yessssssss at last result
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 20, 2017, 10:17:07 AM
Best news we've had at this club in a very long time.

Now to rebuild a club philosophy, now to get some pride and passion back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyPulis on November 20, 2017, 10:17:10 AM
Victim of his own success. The new signings killed his team and he didnt have the guts to drop them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 20, 2017, 10:17:30 AM
Officially sacked :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on November 20, 2017, 10:17:38 AM
Quote from: SirTonyPulis on November 20, 2017, 10:17:10 AM
Victim of his own success. The new signings killed his team and he didnt have the guts to drop them.

Amazing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on November 20, 2017, 10:18:31 AM
He's gone. Welcome ancelotte
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on November 20, 2017, 10:20:35 AM
Quote from: SirTonyPulis on November 20, 2017, 10:17:10 AM
Victim of his own success. The new signings killed his team and he didnt have the guts to drop them.
Absolute tripe. The best day the club has had for 3 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 20, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: TheBrom on November 20, 2017, 10:18:31 AM
He's gone. Welcome ancelotte


italian new head coach i think
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on November 20, 2017, 10:21:43 AM
Im happy that he has gone

But no vitriol towards him, one thing you cant say is that he didnt work his backside off for this club.

Have to say thank you to him for what he did do initially, but it was definitely time for him to go

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 20, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
Lets at least be humble and thank him for the job he has done at the club, yes it was time to go but i wish him well for the future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on November 20, 2017, 10:22:29 AM
Good news. Lets all hope for better times ahead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kev on November 20, 2017, 10:23:34 AM
Best result west brom have had all season getting rid of him ...I'm not even  going to thank  him for what he as done for the club. .That man is responsible your hours of boredom that I'm never going to get back ...
Good riddance ...!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on November 20, 2017, 10:24:04 AM
Has megson gone with him . And francis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 20, 2017, 10:24:30 AM
Big queues at Ticket office I hear. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on November 20, 2017, 10:24:39 AM
Thanks Tony for your hard work and efforts, but it in the end it wasn't quite enough.

Let's just hope we hire someone with passion, and not a bung taker or someone who has already been sacked by 5 different PL teams.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 20, 2017, 10:24:45 AM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 20, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
Lets at least be humble and thank him for the job he has done at the club, yes it was time to go but i wish him well for the future.

Well said Aidan - my thoughts entirely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 20, 2017, 10:25:20 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 20, 2017, 10:24:30 AM
Big queues at Ticket office I hear. ;)


cant get through :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 20, 2017, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: smosher34 on November 20, 2017, 10:24:04 AM
Has megson gone with him . And francis

Megson is caretaker. See the Megson thread.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 20, 2017, 10:27:38 AM
Get in!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Wigmore on November 20, 2017, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: kev on November 20, 2017, 10:23:34 AM
Best result west brom have had all season getting rid of him ...I'm not even  going to thank  him for what he as done for the club. .That man is responsible your hours of boredom that I'm never going to get back ...
Good riddance ...!!!
I'm glad most Albion fans will not be as churlish as you. You must have a very short memory to forget what a mess we were in when Our Tone turned up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on November 20, 2017, 10:28:57 AM
Pulis saved us and did a job but its clear his style of football didn't suit Albion fans who were growing more restless each season.
Whoever we appoint now must have a different style to Pulis, one the fans can get behind because the club are going to need the fans onboard to get out of this mess.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 20, 2017, 10:30:25 AM
Six months too late.

I hope the extra 12 months salary is being paid for by John Williams personally after the ludicrous decision to extend his contract. We are a joke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 20, 2017, 10:38:35 AM
Thanks Tony,the next phase begins.
Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on November 20, 2017, 10:42:28 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 20, 2017, 10:30:25 AM
Six months too late.

I hope the extra 12 months salary is being paid for by John Williams personally after the ludicrous decision to extend his contract. We are a joke.

Yep, I'll still thank Pulis for keeping us up and he was exactly the right appointment at the time but should have been an 18 month job in my opinion, definitely should not have had his contract extended and we are paying for that now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 20, 2017, 10:43:44 AM
So glad that the handful of pulis fans that believed he wouldn't be gone today have no clue what they are talking about.

The guy has got us into a mess, not let's hope someone can come in and get us out of it.

Pulls should only be employed to sort out clubs, giving him long contracts is just a liability.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on November 20, 2017, 10:43:53 AM
Fearful drive to work..but this news has cheered me up...happy days..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 20, 2017, 10:47:59 AM
"lets all have a disco, lets all have a disco, la La la la...."

Absolutely the right decision. Fantastic!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 20, 2017, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 19, 2017, 10:27:54 AM
It's the hope that kills you. Was never going to be sacked after a defeat to Chelsea. Neither will he be sacked after Wembley next week. He'll get the 3 games after that and if results don't turn then it should do for him.

Ohhhhhhh dear.

Oh i'm so excited. And I just can't hide it  8) :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 20, 2017, 10:51:24 AM
So relieved to see that statement !

It's like the sun's come out over the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WD40 on November 20, 2017, 10:52:09 AM
Finally!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 20, 2017, 10:53:34 AM
This has restored alot of my pride in being a West Brom fan.  I've always felt Pulis brought the wrong identity to our club.
Was reading the Stokie's Oatcake last night, which has a long Albion thread. Just shows we're a better club than Stoke. What took most of our fans 18 months to work out about Pulis, took them about 10 years! And still some of them would have him back!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on November 20, 2017, 10:55:09 AM
Right decision IF he's replaced with someone who has more idea of how to get the best out of some talented but under-performing players. As much as I love what Megson did first time around, hopefully he will not stick around either and will make way for a progressive manager who likes to play through midfield at least sometimes and with wingers! Please!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 20, 2017, 11:02:12 AM
It was time to go,thanks to the chairman and owner.
The football got progressively worse,not that it was great to begin with but another way to look at it would be to assess the standard of players that he took over and the calibre of the squad he has left behind.
Trouble was the better the quality of player he seemed to become sort of starstruck and could not manage them,I want a progressive attack minded coach because we do have quality players at the Albion and a couple of back to back wins = mid table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kev on November 20, 2017, 11:07:36 AM
Quote from: Wigmore on November 20, 2017, 10:28:09 AM
I'm glad most Albion fans will not be as churlish as you. You must have a very short memory to forget what a mess we were in when Our Tone turned up.

So you think Tony was the saviour of our football club . Was we really in that such a mess before he turned up !!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 20, 2017, 11:08:04 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 20, 2017, 10:30:25 AM
Six months too late.

I hope the extra 12 months salary is being paid for by John Williams personally after the ludicrous decision to extend his contract. We are a joke.

For me that was farcical and doesn't inspire much confidence in the present hierarchy. I hope they are not going to settle on Megson until the end of the season which would similarly be a stupid decision.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on November 20, 2017, 11:10:51 AM
Fresh start for the players & the club
Thanks Tony
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 20, 2017, 11:16:48 AM
I do admire the hypocrisy of some supporters.  Tony Pulis has done more long term damage to our club both in reputation and driving away long term support than any recent coach and leaves us in a worse position than when he arrived. Thanks for saving us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Regis Rocket on November 20, 2017, 11:16:56 AM
Feels like a massive weight lifted off shoulders  :)
We now need to go for a positive manager, like Koeman or Ancelotti,  to get the team balance right and bring the best out of these players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 20, 2017, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: bangkokbaggie on November 20, 2017, 11:08:04 AM
For me that was farcical and doesn't inspire much confidence in the present hierarchy. I hope they are not going to settle on Megson until the end of the season which would similarly be a stupid decision.

I have absolutely no faith in the hierarchy. If I can see what is going to happen as a mere fan who has never worked in the industry of football and they can't, then you have to be concerned.

All that I predicted has played out and we are now in a position whereby the manager that we bring in will be one off the rank of British managers who have kept teams up previously, just like the manager we have just sacked. I have nothing but contempt for my own club currently which is a depressing position to be in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on November 20, 2017, 11:24:31 AM
Absolutely over the moon we've got rid of the worst brand of football I have ever seen in my life. Don't trust the board to find a good replacement but I'm just going to enjoy the fact that he's gone. Suppose he gets a bit of credit for improving the squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 20, 2017, 11:29:12 AM
Thank you Tony Pulis. Good luck in your next job.

Now we start a new chapter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 20, 2017, 11:35:41 AM
My feelings towards him have never changed, didn't really want him personally but wanted someone like him to come and clear the deadwood, sort the backroom out and leave us in a better place than he found us, for me he's done that but should have gone at the end of last season as the signs were possibly there of what was to come.

Time for Mr Lai and Mr Williams to show us what there ambition is for the club now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on November 20, 2017, 11:41:29 AM
Thanks for everything you've done for our club TP. The most underappreciated manager out there. I'd be lying if I said I've enjoyed the football but I've 100% enjoyed the success he brought. Good luck in your future endevours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on November 20, 2017, 11:42:04 AM
Should have happened a long time ago.

Cheerio.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on November 20, 2017, 11:45:26 AM
did a job for peace who he made 150 million plus richer but should have gone in summer, high lights for me are spanking west ham in cup and stuffing arsenal at home last season. good luck tony all the best.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 20, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
A few highlights but so many low lights over the three years BUT he did the job needed for the first few seasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on November 20, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
The job he did initially was tremendous, cant fault him for that

However, the last 10 months has been dire, no one should be able to survive that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 20, 2017, 11:59:19 AM
stabilized us, got rid of the deadwood after Irvine, has bought in some really good players and moved us on as a squad- however he couldn't utilise his newly trained tools. half a year too late.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on November 20, 2017, 12:04:05 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on November 20, 2017, 11:35:41 AM
My feelings towards him have never changed, didn't really want him personally but wanted someone like him to come and clear the deadwood, sort the backroom out and leave us in a better place than he found us, for me he's done that but should have gone at the end of last season as the signs were possibly there of what was to come.

Time for Mr Lai and Mr Williams to show us what there ambition is for the club now.


Bang on. Football like most things is all about timing. We needed Pulis when he came in, now we need someone to move us forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 20, 2017, 12:05:22 PM
Quote from: Atomic on November 20, 2017, 12:04:05 PM

Bang on. Football like most things is all about timing. We needed Pulis when he came in, now we need someone to move us forward.

For me that statement is wrong. Now we need someone to do what he did initially. In the summer we needed someone to move us forward but we sat on our hands.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on November 20, 2017, 12:07:11 PM
Thanks for keeping us up when we needed your help Tony.

All the best.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on November 20, 2017, 12:07:42 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 20, 2017, 12:05:22 PM
For me that statement is wrong. Now we need someone to do what he did initially. In the summer we needed someone to move us forward but we sat on our hands.


We have more than half a season left. There is no need to panic. If we keep getting people in to stabilise us we'll never move forward. We have players at the club that can move us forward. There is enough time left in this season that we're not in a desperate situation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on November 20, 2017, 12:07:52 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on November 20, 2017, 11:16:48 AM
I do admire the hypocrisy of some supporters.  Tony Pulis has done more long term damage to our club both in reputation and driving away long term support than any recent coach and leaves us in a worse position than when he arrived. Thanks for saving us.

Its not hypocrisy WE all know Tony style & how he would use that style to stabilize us. It was our fault has a club that we gave him a longer contract knowing that after two seasons in charge he always loses his way , the fans & the plays.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 20, 2017, 12:09:26 PM
Quote from: Atomic on November 20, 2017, 12:07:42 PM

We have more than half a season left. There is no need to panic. If we keep getting people in to stabilise us we'll never move forward. We have players at the club that can move us forward. There is enough time left in this season that we're not in a desperate situation.

Sadly I can't see the board seeing it that way. It will be one of the well trodden names that we appoint in the same manner that we did with Pulis to begin with after the disastrous appointment of Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kev on November 20, 2017, 12:30:32 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on November 20, 2017, 11:41:29 AM
Thanks for everything you've done for our club TP. The most underappreciated manager out there. I'd be lying if I said I've enjoyed the football but I've 100% enjoyed the success he brought. Good luck in your future endevours.

Enjoyed the success !!! What success ..?? I take it your a masochist
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 20, 2017, 12:45:59 PM
Good riddance. I didn't want him from day one, but I gave him 18 months anyway - and it was all pooh.

I'd sooner go down to league one that put up with another dinosaur like him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Avonbaggie on November 20, 2017, 12:48:52 PM
Pulis did a great job when he came in and we needed him. We could really do with the Pulis who started with us coming in again. Maybe he can only work on a short term basis as he has just lost it completely since March when we were safe and was just taking us backwards. The Brighton, Southampton and Huddersfield matches really stand out for me as he lost those games for us from the moment he announced the team selections. He was his own downfall.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on November 20, 2017, 01:32:53 PM
I just hope its not to late to turn it around, should have gone sooner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
Relieved he's gone to be honest but dreading the next few months. Megson then Allardyce or Pardew. Pulis will probably be installed at Swansea and keep them up easily. Easy to overlook the good work he did for 18 months due to the last 23 matches. And if you don't think we're in a better place now than when he took over you're being deliberately obtuse. Thanks Tony it's been a chore but hopefully worth it in the long run.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on November 20, 2017, 01:41:18 PM
About time - I can now attend the Newcastle game.

Onwards and upwards
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 20, 2017, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
Relieved he's gone to be honest but dreading the next few months. Megson then Allardyce or Pardew. Pulis will probably be installed at Swansea and keep them up easily. Easy to overlook the good work he did for 18 months due to the last 23 matches. And if you don't think we're in a better place now than when he took over you're being deliberately obtuse. Thanks Tony it's been a chore but hopefully worth it in the long run.
If you think that we are in a better place now than when he took over clearly Irvine is a better coach as he was getting better results with an inferior squad  ;)

12 games 17th position 10 points. Knocked out 3rd round EFL Cup
12 games 13th position 13 points. Knocked out 4th round EFL Cup.

For what it is worth I have similar thoughts about Megson, Allardyce or Pardew. It could be argued that the last three appointments have been poor but we have someone new steering the ship and hopefully they will not be short termist.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on November 20, 2017, 02:17:34 PM
While Pulis did steady the ship, it is hard to support the idea that Albion are better off now than when he arrived.

The club is in pretty much the same league position, we haven’t won convincingly since God’s dog was a puppy and support is falling both home and away.

The squad is, supposedly, packed with quality. The league position says otherwise.

How many transfer windows has he had? And how much has he spent?

In better shape than three years back? Really?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 20, 2017, 02:20:07 PM
The squad is better now, but Tony Pulis was the head coach not head of recruitment.

Anyway the bar was set so low with the few transfer windows before he arrived that us having a better squad now than around when Pepe Mel left is hardly a great achievement.

We are also once again just outside the bottom 3.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on November 20, 2017, 02:20:43 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
Relieved he's gone to be honest but dreading the next few months. Megson then Allardyce or Pardew. Pulis will probably be installed at Swansea and keep them up easily. Easy to overlook the good work he did for 18 months due to the last 23 matches. And if you don't think we're in a better place now than when he took over you're being deliberately obtuse. Thanks Tony it's been a chore but hopefully worth it in the long run.

Are we in a better place though?

When he took over we are sitting 17th on 18 points, we are now sitting 17th on 10 points with a team of players with shot confidence, dreadful football and a very divided fan base.

Yes we were 20 games into that season and we are only 12 games into this one... but he hasn't exactly pushed us on has he?
 
The only thing he done was clear some dead wood... can't even give him the credit for the players he has got in now as he openly said that the 5 signings Williams said he wanted he didn't even want.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 20, 2017, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
Relieved he's gone to be honest but dreading the next few months. Megson then Allardyce or Pardew. Pulis will probably be installed at Swansea and keep them up easily. Easy to overlook the good work he did for 18 months due to the last 23 matches. And if you don't think we're in a better place now than when he took over you're being deliberately obtuse. Thanks Tony it's been a chore but hopefully worth it in the long run.

Had he left in the summer then I would have agreed, but we are now in a similar boat as to when he first took charge. I would agree that we have a better playing staff now than when he took over, but would be loathed to give him the credit there as I am unsure as to who does what behind the scenes when it comes to recruitment. When it comes to 'on the pitch' which is where he has to be judged, we are where we were three years ago now under Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2017, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion on November 20, 2017, 02:05:54 PM
If you think that we are in a better place now than when he took over clearly Irvine is a better coach as he was getting better results with an inferior squad  ;)

12 games 17th position 10 points. Knocked out 3rd round EFL Cup
12 games 13th position 13 points. Knocked out 4th round EFL Cup.

For what it is worth I have similar thoughts about Megson, Allardyce or Pardew. It could be argued that the last three appointments have been poor but we have someone new steering the ship and hopefully they will not be short termist.


You love a stat. We'd played 18 matches when he took over. The improvements to the playing squad, club infrastructure, professionalism are all glaringly obvious. He leaves with the club still outside the bottom 3 with a squad that needs very little work and 78 more points to play for. When Alan Irvine left the squad needed major surgery the club was a shambles behind the scenes (leading appointing Irvine in the first place) and had only half a season for the rescue job that was so obviously needed.


I think I'm the only person left on here who still bothers to reply to you. You're welcome.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on November 20, 2017, 02:28:35 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on November 20, 2017, 02:22:14 PM
Had he left in the summer then I would have agreed, but we are now in a similar boat as to when he first took charge. I would agree that we have a better playing staff now than when he took over, but would be loathed to give him the credit there as I am unsure as to who does what behind the scenes when it comes to recruitment. When it comes to 'on the pitch' which is where he has to be judged, we are where we were three years ago now under Irvine.
Agree
He always said that the majority of signings were not of his choosing..so any improvement to the playing staff can be chalked off his CV..when it boils down to it we are where we are and he was in charge...time to go..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maximus on November 20, 2017, 02:31:22 PM
Results based industry, And 2017 showed he hardly got any, The type of football played with no attacking intent when you don't get results leaves you open for the sack. More importantly i think the players themselves was done with him and his tactics.

His good at steadying the ship, Give him luxury players aswell and he doesn't know what to do. No way was results going to pick up either.

Probably end up with the NI manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 20, 2017, 02:42:18 PM
He's gone,he's history,he's yesterdays stale toast,time to lock this thread on the old dinosaur of football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 20, 2017, 02:44:54 PM
Just reading some idiotic posts from the country at large on the BBC's football website.
i.e. the "be careful what you wish for", people.
Needs a few more postings from Albion supporters to put the record straight.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42041923?isBumped=0&postFreq=0&isEmpty=0&isProfane=0&tooLong=0&charCount=0&isAwaitingProcessPreMod=0&isSubmitted=1&filter=none&initial_page_size=10&postId=128776802#comment_128776802
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on November 20, 2017, 02:56:52 PM
I'll get behind whoever we appoint, as will most fans, especially as we desperately need a fresh breath of air.

I'm concerned however how we replace him with anyone who will instil confidence that we can maintain our premier league status. If we'd have dismissed at the start of the the season, or back end of last season, we could feel safe we could always bring in a Pulis-type to rescue us if it's not going well. If we get our replacement wrong we are definitely heading for the drop. People seem to be insisting we have a much better team now then a few years ago but I'm yet to see any evidence of that. I worry some fans have deluded themselves into thinking our squad is much better than it is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 20, 2017, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: KingKoren on November 20, 2017, 02:56:52 PM
I'll get behind whoever we appoint, as will most fans, especially as we desperately need a fresh breath of air.

I'm concerned however how we replace him with anyone who will instil confidence that we can maintain our premier league status. If we'd have dismissed at the start of the the season, or back end of last season, we could feel safe we could always bring in a Pulis-type to rescue us if it's not going well. If we get our replacement wrong we are definitely heading for the drop. People seem to be insisting we have a much better team now then a few years ago but I'm yet to see any evidence of that. I worry some fans have deluded themselves into thinking our squad is much better than it is.

To be fair most of this squad was 8th for a large part of last season.

It's a confidence issue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 20, 2017, 03:05:16 PM
Ultimately he did a great job for this football club. Unfortunately he's not the type of manager to take your club to the next level. Unfortunately he finishes up here with a shocking run of form and it's going to be a very interesting period for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 20, 2017, 03:06:05 PM
i see a few ex players have given it the thumbs up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ashdoy on November 20, 2017, 03:09:03 PM
This guy did more damage than good. He "saved us" when he came despite the fact he leaves us in a worse state now than when he arrived.

We have lost fans, lost passion, lost the core belief this club had. You look at Sunderlands, Coventry's, Bolton's of this world and we could be next pure and simply down to TP and to a lesser extent the board who only 6months ago gave him a new deal.

Why do they mention the results last season werent good enough when a few months ago they rewarded him for those exact same results with a new deal; makes no sense.

I wont post in this thread again, good riddance. Just feel sorry for the next club and set of fans he installs his prehistoric tactics onto.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 20, 2017, 03:10:00 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2017, 02:22:52 PM

You love a stat. We'd played 18 matches when he took over. The improvements to the playing squad, club infrastructure, professionalism are all glaringly obvious. He leaves with the club still outside the bottom 3 with a squad that needs very little work and 78 more points to play for. When Alan Irvine left the squad needed major surgery the club was a shambles behind the scenes (leading appointing Irvine in the first place) and had only half a season for the rescue job that was so obviously needed.


I think I'm the only person left on here who still bothers to reply to you. You're welcome.

But you're the one I want. :-*

It seems a few others have replied to your comment about being in a better off position too.  :D

You slag Irvine off and commend Pulis but the stats and facts don't stack up. Hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 20, 2017, 03:13:10 PM
Its all irrelevant now, but i dont think we'd have gone down with Tony.....yes it wouldn't have been pretty but i think we'd have done enough to stay a PL club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on November 20, 2017, 03:13:32 PM
We are not in a better place, time now for a new manager/coach to come in and get rid of some of the deadwood players as well , McClean, Brunt, Livermore, Morrison Rondon and Greg, Brunt and Morrison good servants but time for fresh players now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 20, 2017, 03:15:05 PM
Quote from: albion59 on November 20, 2017, 03:13:32 PM
We are not in a better place, time now for a new manager/coach to come in and get rid of some of the deadwood players as well , McClean, Brunt, Livermore, Morrison Rondon and Greg, Brunt and Morrison good servants but time for fresh players now.

A new squad then  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 20, 2017, 03:16:46 PM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 20, 2017, 03:13:10 PM
Its all irrelevant now, but i dont think we'd have gone down with Tony.....yes it wouldn't have been pretty but i think we'd have done enough to stay a PL club.
I agree (and I said much the same under Irvine  ;)) but I am far happier today about my club than I have been for most of the last three seasons.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on November 20, 2017, 03:19:11 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 20, 2017, 02:58:27 PM
To be fair most of this squad was 8th for a large part of last season.

It's a confidence issue.

I think that's the view of the majority, i'm less convinced, but I hope you are right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2017, 03:20:08 PM
Quote from: albion59 on November 20, 2017, 03:13:32 PM
We are not in a better place, time now for a new manager/coach to come in and get rid of some of the deadwood players as well , McClean, Brunt, Livermore, Morrison Rondon and Greg, Brunt and Morrison good servants but time for fresh players now.


McClean Ireland's player of the year. Brunt who's omission from the side has probably cost Pulis his job. Rondon and Krychowiak top players at the highest levels of European football and Livermore a current England international only recently signed. Meanwhile Morrison is our only genuine attacking midfielder.


It goes without saying I disagree with every word of this post. There is very little surgery needed to the squad which is the main reason we can be assured he's leaving us far better off than with what he inherited.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 20, 2017, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: albion59 on November 20, 2017, 03:13:32 PM
We are not in a better place, time now for a new manager/coach to come in and get rid of some of the deadwood players as well , McClean, Brunt, Livermore, Morrison Rondon and Greg, Brunt and Morrison good servants but time for fresh players now.

I think you need to judge these players under the new manager and system before you condemn them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on November 20, 2017, 03:58:24 PM
I think overall Pulis did a decent job.

As other have said in hindsight he should of gone in the summer but the board took a gamble, it backfired but we have all made mistakes and they have acted upon it.

I do think the media is nonsense at times when they say he rescued us, out the five seasons before we joined we only had one real relegation battle so we were quite established as it was, when Pulis came in we were rocking a bit, we may of stayed up anyway, we may not, but Pulis did steady things.

I think our squad is better now than when he took over, i think last three seasons we stayed up with ease thats why i think overall he has done a good job, so far he has acted professional too and i think he is a decent bloke whose time as our manager was up.

The football was poor and this season was his chance to kick on, he never did that and i think thats when many fans turned on him, he will get a job elsewhere, do a similar job but i think his style of play and management has a shelf life.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on November 20, 2017, 04:00:19 PM
Pulis is already hot favourite to become new Wales manager, as short as 1/2 with some bookies. I think that he will be much more suited to managing at international level than he was for us, especially with a nation arguably punching above their weight recently, his ultra defensive tactics could be just what is called for for Wales to grind out qualifying points, it's a whole different ball game to having to compete (and entertain) in the Premier League.

https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/football/20171120-tony-pulis-favourite-to-be-named-the-new-wales-manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 20, 2017, 04:00:36 PM
at least his record stands, his bank balance looks healthier and he can go have a game of golf with arry. the life eh
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 20, 2017, 04:02:51 PM
if you want to get wound up listen to Durham on talksport now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on November 20, 2017, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 20, 2017, 04:02:51 PM
if you want to get wound up listen to Durham on talksport now
Just about to leave work for an hours drive on the M6...i had better not tune into him..total road rage ensuing. .he is a complete ******** and A1 wind up merchant...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 20, 2017, 04:04:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan on November 20, 2017, 04:00:19 PM
Pulis is already hot favourite to become new Wales manager, as short as 1/2 with some bookies. I think that he will be much more suited to managing at international level than he was for us, especially with a nation arguably punching above their weight recently, his ultra defensive tactics could be just what is called for for Wales to grind out qualifying points, it's a whole different ball game to having to compete (and entertain) in the Premier League.

https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/football/20171120-tony-pulis-favourite-to-be-named-the-new-wales-manager

No brainer. Was always on the cards. Will pick up where Coleman left off. Play defensive, hope Ramsey/Bale make some magic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 20, 2017, 04:06:48 PM
Durham, are we fans asking too much
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 20, 2017, 04:10:37 PM
Quote from: Nathan on November 20, 2017, 04:00:19 PM
Pulis is already hot favourite to become new Wales manager, as short as 1/2 with some bookies. I think that he will be much more suited to managing at international level than he was for us, especially with a nation arguably punching above their weight recently, his ultra defensive tactics could be just what is called for for Wales to grind out qualifying points, it's a whole different ball game to having to compete (and entertain) in the Premier League.

https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/football/20171120-tony-pulis-favourite-to-be-named-the-new-wales-manager

Gareth Bale poops himself and checks ancestors.com.  "Goaaaarn Gareth."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 20, 2017, 04:20:20 PM
I got the news on the way to a family funeral today. Sad occasion for the family today but by god I belted out The Lord Is My Shepherd with conviction!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 20, 2017, 04:30:57 PM
I think he did a good job overall and just hit a point where he couldn't motivate the team anymore. That plus bad tactics and some small bad luck meant he shouldn't continue.

I will still remember the fun of being in 8th for so long.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mifos on November 20, 2017, 04:34:20 PM
His ‘achievements’ in keeping us in the prem , securing mid-table finishes have brought a lot of money to the club, but going forward it was pointless for us fans as the football wasn’t worth watching. He has a formula that grinds out points ; and until recently it’s worked well.  First time in 20 seasons I’ve not renewed my season ticket this year … watching us give up 70% possession every game , and perhaps score from a corner or free kick to secure 1 or 3 points became very boring; once the draws and odd win dried up it became unbearable. I came to the conclusion (and by the looks of Saturday’s crowd a few thousand others have too) that I could find better things to spend my time and money on.  I still love the Albion and have been to several games this year, and will continue to pick and choose games; but the excitement/anticipation disappeared under Pulis … groundhog day formulaic football, flair players constrained, promising youngsters loaned out, strikers ploughing a forlorn furrow without support, centre-halves our main goal threat, very little goal-mouth action.  Where’s our Kevin Phillips, Peter Odemwingie, Diomansy Kamara, Robert Koren, Zoltan Gera. … players that can get you out of your seat … where are they?   I don't know if the side that beat the dingles 5-1 would beat our current team, but I'd certainly rather watch them; Pulis kept us in the prem but we’ve not progressed and never would under his regime; it’s was like being kept alive by a life support machine – but without a plan for a better life outside of the intensive care unit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 20, 2017, 04:34:43 PM
I'm glad this day has come but we have to make a good choice now. Our defence is poor and leaky and we need someone to free us up, get some attacking intent but please god help our back four.


Quote from: Chipperfan on November 20, 2017, 02:17:34 PM
we haven’t won convincingly since God’s dog was a puppy

That's arguably one of the most interesting cliches I've heard to date but still not quite sure if it works 😂😂
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 20, 2017, 04:36:59 PM
Pulis did a very decent job for 18 months, but we could not evolve even with better players and that is why he has gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on November 20, 2017, 04:38:43 PM
Quote from: mifos on November 20, 2017, 04:34:20 PM
His ‘achievements’ in keeping us in the prem , securing mid-table finishes have brought a lot of money to the club, but going forward it was pointless for us fans as the football wasn’t worth watching. He has a formula that grinds out points ; and until recently it’s worked well.  First time in 20 seasons I’ve not renewed my season ticket this year … watching us give up 70% possession every game , and perhaps score from a corner or free kick to secure 1 or 3 points became very boring; once the draws and odd win dried up it became unbearable. I came to the conclusion (and by the looks of Saturday’s crowd a few thousand others have too) that I could find better things to spend my time and money on.  I still love the Albion and have been to several games this year, and will continue to pick and choose games; but the excitement/anticipation disappeared under Pulis … groundhog day formulaic football, flair players constrained, promising youngsters loaned out, strikers ploughing a forlorn furrow without support, centre-halves our main goal threat, very little goal-mouth action.  Where’s our Kevin Phillips, Peter Odemwingie, Diomansy Kamara, Robert Koren, Zoltan Gera. … players that can get you out of your seat … where are they?   I don't know if the side that beat the dingles 5-1 would beat our current team, but I'd certainly rather watch them; Pulis kept us in the prem but we’ve not progressed and never would under his regime; it’s was like being kept alive by a life support machine – but without a plan for a better life outside of the intensive care unit.

Very good post that and probably sums up many of our feelings,  certainly mine and a few of my mates
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on November 20, 2017, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: mifos on November 20, 2017, 04:34:20 PM
We’ve not progressed and never would under his regime; it was like being kept alive by a life support machine – but without a plan for a better life outside of the intensive care unit.

Great line. One of the best I've seen in the thread in the last couple of days. Nice quote.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 20, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
Thanks for your efforts Tony, it wasn't all bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on November 20, 2017, 05:16:52 PM
Relief. Utter, blessed relief. I can't agree that he has left the club in a better place. The squad may have better players but he has done serious, long-lasting damage to this club. The fanbase have spent 3 years at each other's throats and is now more fractured than ever. At the same time it has shrunk and its growth stunted for a long time. How many little kids have been permanently put off supporting us because their first exposure to us was under Pulis? At the same time, the club's reputation had fallen off a cliff.

Goodbye and good riddance, Tony. Football is a better sport without you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 20, 2017, 05:45:16 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on November 20, 2017, 04:04:43 PM
No brainer. Was always on the cards. Will pick up where Coleman left off. Play defensive, hope Ramsey/Bale make some magic.
Really depends what he wants. Whether he feels he wants the lesser involvement (and money) of international management. He will still be a prime target for any club facing relegation. He could even be in the frame for Cardiff City if they go up (supported them as a boy) - Warnock has muttered that he may not continue if they go up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 20, 2017, 05:49:34 PM
Annoyed that my present from the club arrived a day late as my birthday was yesterday, but pleased I got it today!
Seriously, I think Pulis does deserve credit for steadying the ship and he was exactly what we needed at the time. He should have gone after his first full season as the football was awful, but last season we played some good stuff at times and should have finished 8th; the fact that we didn't is a black mark against him and the players.

This season has been getting worse week after week. At half time I said that if I was Lai I would be looking at how we performed in the second half, could Pulis get the players motivated and put in a decent performance second half obviously we weren't going to get anything from the game but maybe we would restore some pride, but no, they were abject in the 2nd half as well.

Absolutely the right thing to sack him today, Megson should have gone too though. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for a new full time replacement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 20, 2017, 06:00:52 PM
I'm delighted at today's news. It's no secret that I never wanted Pulis here in the first place, as I despised the Stoke tactics whilst he was there. He's done the same with us and ruined our reputation in the process. It can't be proven one way or the others, but I also don't accept that only he could have achieved the finishing positions that we've had during his time here.

What I do know is that achieving the relative success that we have in the manner it was done is bad for football as a whole, as I believe such tactics shouldn't bring rewards.

As alex1 has posted, some of the comments on the BBC article page have made my blood boil, but they're obviously clueless numpties who think Pulis is great at another club, and would give him all the time in the world there, but would probably slit their wrists at the prospect of him coming to their club. Take Lineker for example, I don't recall him championing Pulis for the Leicester job last season when Ranieri was sacked.

Goodbye Tony, I'm over the moon that you've gone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on November 20, 2017, 06:07:15 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2017, 03:20:08 PM

McClean Ireland's player of the year. Brunt who's omission from the side has probably cost Pulis his job. Rondon and Krychowiak top players at the highest levels of European football and Livermore a current England international only recently signed. Meanwhile Morrison is our only genuine attacking midfielder.


It goes without saying I disagree with every word of this post. There is very little surgery needed to the squad which is the main reason we can be assured he's leaving us far better off than with what he inherited.
I couldn't care less what you disagree with. I have asked you before now I'm telling you do not reply to my posts I do not wish to converse with you about anything.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on November 20, 2017, 06:09:57 PM
I’ve just seen Pulis on Sky Sports querying whether watching Albion is entertaining. He pointed out that the last two games at the Hawthorns had seen nine goals.

Fair enough but we only scored two of them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggyman68 on November 20, 2017, 06:17:25 PM
Now that he has gone, I hope all those that were moaning on here about "never going up again till Pulis has been sacked" will be scrambling to get their hands on the half season ticket that's available now to show how Albion they really are!
But I suspect it was a load of bull.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 20, 2017, 06:37:41 PM
Very relieved and happy to see him sacked - he had lost his way towards of the tenure.

There is no doubting however that overall he has done a good job - and although some are going to play pointless statistics with the Irvine era - whoever takes charge following Pulis will find they have a far more stable football club to take forward.

There have been improvements throughout the club during his tenure and he has without doubt improved the playing squad. Unfortunately, the current squad are now behind his capabilities and it needs a new man to take them forward.

The football was often rubbish, but he can leave with the club in a stronger position than before he arrived.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on November 20, 2017, 06:48:22 PM
Just because he has gone I doubt it will bring fans back...all going to depend on who is appointed to replace him..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on November 20, 2017, 07:10:18 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on November 20, 2017, 06:48:22 PM
Just because he has gone I doubt it will bring fans back...all going to depend on who is appointed to replace him..

Yep I imagine the goal posts may move despite many saying the second he's sacked they'll be back.

As an aside I do feel for whoever does take over, they're going to be expected to turn the team around totally and play attacking, flair-type football. As much as Pulis may have shackled us a bit, I don't think it'll be a case of a new manager coming in and radically changing everything. If we're honest we've played this way for years
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bigrob80 on November 20, 2017, 07:22:07 PM
Did a good job up until end of last and this season to keep us up and get us stable but I think the natural time has come to move on.
Seemed he couldn’t get people up and running this season!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 20, 2017, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: albion59 on November 20, 2017, 06:07:15 PM
I couldn't care less what you disagree with. I have asked you before now I'm telling you do not reply to my posts I do not wish to converse with you about anything.
If you post on a public discussion forum, you can't pick and choose who replies to you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on November 20, 2017, 07:34:01 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on November 20, 2017, 07:10:18 PM
Yep I imagine the goal posts may move despite many saying the second he's sacked they'll be back.

As an aside I do feel for whoever does take over, they're going to be expected to turn the team around totally and play attacking, flair-type football. As much as Pulis may have shackled us a bit, I don't think it'll be a case of a new manager coming in and radically changing everything. If we're honest we've played this way for years
Shackled us a bit!!? That's the understatement of the year!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on November 20, 2017, 07:35:38 PM
Quote from: timdon on November 20, 2017, 07:32:29 PM
If you post on a public discussion forum, you can't pick and choose who replies to you.
You obviously don't know the history, he can reply just don't insert my posts!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on November 20, 2017, 07:37:55 PM
Quote from: albion59 on November 20, 2017, 07:34:01 PM
Shackled us a bit!!? That's the understatement of the year!

Still don't think we'll be seeing us knocking it around and taking the game to opponents for a good while
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 20, 2017, 07:38:55 PM
Quote from: albion59 on November 20, 2017, 07:35:38 PM
You obviously don't know the history, he can reply just don't insert my posts!

And we don't need to know anymore..

Back to Tony Pulis folks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on November 20, 2017, 07:41:03 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on November 20, 2017, 07:37:55 PM
Still don't think we'll be seeing us knocking it around and taking the game to opponents for a good while

and with the squad we have we shouldn't be...

BUT not living off less than 40% possession will be a massive improvement :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on November 20, 2017, 07:42:15 PM
My last post on this thread. Its a wonderful feeling.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 20, 2017, 07:54:18 PM
Despite twice breaking the club's transfer record and recruiting the five most expensive purchases in their history, Pulis leaves West Brom in the same position they were in when he took over in January 2015 - one point above the relegation zone.

Said previously Pulis on the whole did a good job here in my opinion. Took us backwards in terms of style but kept us ultimately. However the piece in bold above, from Skysports, just sums it up for me. Stagnated after his transfers suggested a change. Didn't materialise and he paid the price.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 20, 2017, 08:17:58 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on November 20, 2017, 07:54:18 PM
Despite twice breaking the club's transfer record and recruiting the five most expensive purchases in their history, Pulis leaves West Brom in the same position they were in when he took over in January 2015 - one point above the relegation zone.

Said previously Pulis on the whole did a good job here in my opinion. Took us backwards in terms of style but kept us ultimately. However the piece in bold above, from Skysports, just sums it up for me. Stagnated after his transfers suggested a change. Didn't materialise and he paid the price.

I agree with this. At the moment a lot of our fans are very angry towards him but looking at his time here before this season, he did quite well. Obviously when you include this season however, his reputation takes a dive - and rightly so.

I find it quite ironic as well, that part of his downfall was that he failed to properly integrate the new signings which is what helped Irvine get the sack. Not only this, but Irvine refused to play Yacob who was our best central midfielder at the time. It was bizarre but he paid the price. Now history has repeated itself, Pulis once relied heavily on Yacob and got a lot back in return; since dropping him this season we've struggled massively.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on November 20, 2017, 08:37:29 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on November 20, 2017, 07:54:18 PM
Despite twice breaking the club's transfer record and recruiting the five most expensive purchases in their history, Pulis leaves West Brom in the same position they were in when he took over in January 2015 - one point above the relegation zone.

Said previously Pulis on the whole did a good job here in my opinion. Took us backwards in terms of style but kept us ultimately. However the piece in bold above, from Skysports, just sums it up for me. Stagnated after his transfers suggested a change. Didn't materialise and he paid the price.

Bit in bold - thing is whoever was manager during this period would have done that, it's the nature of where the transfer fees have gone now, nothing to do with him personally as a manager. Agree we've stagnated though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 20, 2017, 09:13:11 PM
Quote from: TheBrom on November 20, 2017, 08:37:29 PM
Bit in bold - thing is whoever was manager during this period would have done that, it's the nature of where the transfer fees have gone now, nothing to do with him personally as a manager. Agree we've stagnated though
Absolutely, any other team in the prem in those 3 years has done the same...there are probably 20 teams in the prem including promoted sides who've made the 5 most expensive purchases in their history (not sure about Chelsea because of Torres and Liverpool because of Carroll but that's a different ball park)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on November 20, 2017, 10:41:53 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on November 20, 2017, 08:17:58 PM
I agree with this. At the moment a lot of our fans are very angry towards him but looking at his time here before this season, he did quite well. Obviously when you include this season however, his reputation takes a dive - and rightly so.

I find it quite ironic as well, that part of his downfall was that he failed to properly integrate the new signings which is what helped Irvine get the sack. Not only this, but Irvine refused to play Yacob who was our best central midfielder at the time. It was bizarre but he paid the price. Now history has repeated itself, Pulis once relied heavily on Yacob and got a lot back in return; since dropping him this season we've struggled massively.

Couldn't agree more about Yacob. If you're going to play that way he should be first on the team sheet. The current set up of Barry, Livermore and Krychowiak has badly affected the balance of the side. Dare I say that we might be missing Fletcher too? For all his limitations, he was a leader, which can make all the difference in tight games (i.e Stoke, Watford, Leicester).


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 20, 2017, 11:25:30 PM
I'm as pleased as anyone to see Pulis gone, but one thing puzzles me.You can't say he's just brought in typical Pulisbal players.  He bought in some very talented footballers, Chadli, Phillips, Krychiawok, Burke, Gibbs, but of those, he's only allowed Gibbs to play consistently his natural game in his normal position. 
So on the one hand, you could argue it was his intention that we played more flamboyant football, and it was the players fault that they weren't consistent. I actually think the problem was that they were the wrong players for his system. Much as I applauded the arrival of skilful players at the club, Pulis was never going to get the best of them, because of the way he plays.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 21, 2017, 01:29:34 AM
I have to say, I’m very disappointed. Not with the sacking..that was inevitable. It’s just that I was so looking forward to coming on this site and seeing the heading,'Pulis Sacked'. I feel cheated somehow. ☺️
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 21, 2017, 03:21:15 AM
Quote from: iwastherein68 on November 20, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
Thanks for your efforts Tony, it wasn't all bad.

Yes, we had three eras under Pulis:

Bad football, good results
Good football, good results
Bad football, bad results

The first period stabilised us at a much needed time.  The second was all too brief but lovely whilst it lasted and the last cost him his job
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mikehy on November 21, 2017, 06:38:01 AM
Quote from: stoxman on November 21, 2017, 03:21:15 AM
Yes, we had three eras under Pulis:

Bad football, good results
Good football, good results
Bad football, bad results

The first period stabilised us at a much needed time.  The second was all too brief but lovely whilst it lasted and the last cost him his job
The second era you state should read bad football good results
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 21, 2017, 07:24:32 AM
Quote from: mikehy on November 21, 2017, 06:38:01 AM
The second era you state should read bad football good results
Better football good results (it was a low benchmark but it was better?)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on November 21, 2017, 07:43:35 AM
You had my backing until Southampton away. Good luck, now let's move on boing boing!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 21, 2017, 07:55:23 AM
Alan Brazil just said he was sacked over the phone and did i hear correct overnight i tend to leave my radio on. 2 players in the dugout singing anti pulis songs on saturday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ross on November 21, 2017, 07:59:46 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 21, 2017, 07:55:23 AM
Alan Brazil just said he was sacked over the phone and did i hear correct overnight i tend to leave my radio on. 2 players in the dugout singing anti pulis songs on saturday

Don’t know if it was over the phone, but he definitely got the news between 10-11am when h was at the ground
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 21, 2017, 08:10:15 AM
Dave Kemp on Brazil show now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 21, 2017, 08:18:58 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 21, 2017, 07:55:23 AM
Alan Brazil just said he was sacked over the phone and did i hear correct overnight i tend to leave my radio on. 2 players in the dugout singing anti pulis songs on saturday

If that is indeed true (which i doubt) then whoever those 2 are should be fined! Not very professional is it??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on November 21, 2017, 08:19:48 AM
Quote from: Sted1990 on November 21, 2017, 07:43:35 AM
You had my backing until Southampton away. Good luck, now let's move on boing boing!!

Likewise, Saints was the no return point and it's got worse since. He was clueless as how to turn it around and even his famed defence looked more and more shakey.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 21, 2017, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 21, 2017, 07:55:23 AM
Alan Brazil just said he was sacked over the phone and did i hear correct overnight i tend to leave my radio on. 2 players in the dugout singing anti pulis songs on saturday

The report originated in the Mirror, probably the journalist's.

Supposedly in the executive area as opposed to the dug out.

Would have thought photos/video would have emerged by now were it true which I do not expect it to be.

Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure there's nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 21, 2017, 09:08:38 AM
I can imagine for the players his training methods on a daily basis would have become extremely painful after three years of it. Only so long you can play as a statue on the training pitch if you aren't in the starting XI for that weekend without wanting to chuck the towel in and move elsewhere.

I do feel football would be a much better place without Tony in it any longer, domestically at least. He would suit the Welsh job as a number of the minnows line up as Pulis does in such a negative fashion so it would not seem out of place in qualifying campaigns. I would hate for him to take over another Premier League side purely because I would hate to have to watch us play against one of his sides again, had too many years of it while he was at Stoke before then being subjected to his brand of football on a weekly basis.

The pundits saying 'be careful what you wish for' clearly hadn't watched us for 90 minutes from the Leicester game onwards as it was clear the players had stopped putting in a shift for him and were gradually becoming worse as the weeks rumbled on. I do believe he would have taken us to the point of going down before resigning in March to ensure he did not have a relegation on his record.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stoxman on November 21, 2017, 09:46:36 AM
Quote from: mikehy on November 21, 2017, 06:38:01 AM
The second era you state should read bad football good results

No,  I'll stand by my initial comment.  The period around Christmas last year we played some good football at times and got good results too.   Sadly all too brief though...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 21, 2017, 11:07:26 AM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23795793_1922758074408126_4690912612631226574_n.jpg?oh=25791fd429aa67e08e7abb79281bbb35&oe=5AA6AA45)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on November 21, 2017, 12:23:23 PM
Purchased my half season ticket last week in anticipation of this happening.

I wasn't sure I'd ever go back under Pulis after the West Ham game - the worst game of football I've ever watched.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on November 21, 2017, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 21, 2017, 11:07:26 AM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23795793_1922758074408126_4690912612631226574_n.jpg?oh=25791fd429aa67e08e7abb79281bbb35&oe=5AA6AA45)

Was it the 'we've got Tony Pulis' song though?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on November 21, 2017, 04:26:47 PM
Thank you for the fantastic job last season tony and for leaving the club in a much better state then when you got here, as you promised.

I hope the grass is greener. i really do. i still think he'd have kept us up..and id have given him 5 games from before chelsea...but i am looking forward to returning to the shrine...and hopefully no more anti-football.

Bit of excitement back is nice swell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on November 21, 2017, 05:34:59 PM
Quote from: AidantheBaggies on November 21, 2017, 08:18:58 AM
If that is indeed true (which i doubt) then whoever those 2 are should be fined! Not very professional is it??
Funny though  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 21, 2017, 09:45:47 PM
Quote from: alex1 on November 20, 2017, 11:25:30 PM
I'm as pleased as anyone to see Pulis gone, but one thing puzzles me.You can't say he's just brought in typical Pulisbal players.  He bought in some very talented footballers, Chadli, Phillips, Krychiawok, Burke, Gibbs, but of those, he's only allowed Gibbs to play consistently his natural game in his normal position. 
So on the one hand, you could argue it was his intention that we played more flamboyant football, and it was the players fault that they weren't consistent. I actually think the problem was that they were the wrong players for his system. Much as I applauded the arrival of skilful players at the club, Pulis was never going to get the best of them, because of the way he plays.

I agree with this - I think a lot of people misunderstood Pulis and thought he purposely went negative. My belief is that he literally didn't know how to play more positive football, and when he tried it backfired.
I firmly believe that if he kept the same team as last season we'd have about 5 points more at this stage and he would be here until Christmas at the very least. He needed players like Yacob, McClean and Brunt around the place more than the more attack-minded ones as he didn't know how to use them.

It's true what ex-fans would say; when he was given no money he was at his most creative and worked very well, but as soon as he got money it was spent badly and he couldn't handle the creative players and didn't know what to do with them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2017, 09:49:04 PM
Last post on this thread for me. I don't look forward to seeing him take charge of his first game at Swansea, probably against us. Assuming Hodgson gets over the line and Pulis will save someone this season is a lot more difficult and all our own making. That said unless we totally f**k up this appointment, ie. another Garde/Irvine we'll stay up comfortably.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2017, 10:07:36 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2017, 09:49:04 PM
Last post on this thread for me. I don't look forward to seeing him take charge of his first game at Swansea, probably against us. Assuming Hodgson gets over the line and Pulis will save someone this season is a lot more difficult and all our own making. That said unless we totally f**k up this appointment, ie. another Garde/Irvine we'll stay up comfortably.
A very simple answer to Pulisball (which most other teams have now sussed).
Put your players up to the halfway line.
If it becomes "hoofed" they haven't got a few yards far back to collect and return to the attack.
Make Pulis's team run the length of the pitch which will only be a "cream crackered" shot after running and getting out of breath etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on November 21, 2017, 10:45:14 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2017, 09:49:04 PM
Last post on this thread for me. I don't look forward to seeing him take charge of his first game at Swansea, probably against us. Assuming Hodgson gets over the line and Pulis will save someone this season is a lot more difficult and all our own making. That said unless we totally f**k up this appointment, ie. another Garde/Irvine we'll stay up comfortably.

Thought this was improbable as I presumed Pulis was nailed on for the Welsh job but it now looks like Craig Bellamy may unbelievably somehow get that gig so I also fear that this could well happen should Swansea dispose of Clement.

I pity any supporters of the Welsh national side with the choice of next manager seemingly being between that prize idiot Bellamy and Pulis. It's almost as uninspiring and demoralising as our list of candidates.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 21, 2017, 10:47:18 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2017, 09:49:04 PM
Last post on this thread for me. I don't look forward to seeing him take charge of his first game at Swansea, probably against us. Assuming Hodgson gets over the line and Pulis will save someone this season is a lot more difficult and all our own making. That said unless we totally f**k up this appointment, ie. another Garde/Irvine we'll stay up comfortably.

Of our own making because we should have acted in the summer? I can tell that you are itching to finally admit that I was right all this time. Just do it, you will feel so much better  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 22, 2017, 10:09:36 AM
Quote from: WBArgo on November 21, 2017, 09:45:47 PM
I agree with this - I think a lot of people misunderstood Pulis and thought he purposely went negative. My belief is that he literally didn't know how to play more positive football, and when he tried it backfired.
I firmly believe that if he kept the same team as last season we'd have about 5 points more at this stage and he would be here until Christmas at the very least. He needed players like Yacob, McClean and Brunt around the place more than the more attack-minded ones as he didn't know how to use them.

It's true what ex-fans would say; when he was given no money he was at his most creative and worked very well, but as soon as he got money it was spent badly and he couldn't handle the creative players and didn't know what to do with them.

I honestly don't think he actually had much to do with signing the recent flair players which is why he did not play them but I agree with you that he had no idea how to use them once they were here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2017, 10:25:51 AM
Media still crying i see
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on November 22, 2017, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: kev on November 20, 2017, 12:30:32 PM
Enjoyed the success !!! What success ..?? I take it your a masochist

10th place isn't a succesful season? 13th and 14th in comparison to 17th the season before he took over is also success. I'm not a masochist (although it has felt like that at times), I just classify the clubs success as being way more important than my own selfis need to be entertained. I tried explaining to my 10 and 8 year old daughters the otherday how WBA is more than just watching sport.... it's my religion! If I have to suffer Pulisball for the good of the club then so be it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on November 22, 2017, 11:06:39 AM
I never wanted him in the first place and not shedding a tear now he has gone but will give him his due for saving us from the drop when he first came here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2017, 03:46:55 PM
Honestly i really cant be anymore chuffed, what a releif. a life sentence cut short
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 22, 2017, 04:18:45 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on November 22, 2017, 11:06:39 AM
I never wanted him in the first place and not shedding a tear now he has gone but will give him his due for saving us from the drop when he first came here.
I felt and still feel that whoever came in after Irvine would do a better job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on November 22, 2017, 05:26:22 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2017, 10:07:36 PM
A very simple answer to Pulisball (which most other teams have now sussed).
Put your players up to the halfway line.
If it becomes "hoofed" they haven't got a few yards far back to collect and return to the attack.
Make Pulis's team run the length of the pitch which will only be a "cream crackered" shot after running and getting out of breath etc.
Yup, it took them a while but you could see it this year especially.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on November 22, 2017, 05:48:37 PM
I suppose one plus from the Pulis era is that our squad should be very fit.
Mind you they didn't look that fit last week.
I'm hoping that we will start tp play with 2 wide men ( one of them Scottish)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 22, 2017, 06:09:04 PM
just entering the bay of Biscay heading for Southampton and its rough. only found out he's been sacked this morning so not everything's bad. now lets see what rabbit they pull out the hat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 22, 2017, 06:11:22 PM
Quote from: VANDERLEI on November 22, 2017, 10:47:55 AM
I just classify the clubs success as being way more important than my own selfis need to be entertained.
People seem to have lost sight of the fact that the whole idea of football is to provide entertainment. If it doesn't exist for that purpose, what's the point of it? It seems to be more about lining the pockets of players, agents and coaching staff these days not to mention, in our case, former owners!

Not caring about entertainment is what makes the likes of Pulis thrive of course, when they should actually be unsuccessful because what they produce isn't enjoyable to watch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 22, 2017, 06:58:25 PM
Just about sums it all up. From Guardian letters.
"I'm fairly sure that Tony Pulis would have kept West Brom up. West Brom may have ended up playing Tony's signature dish; the mind-numbing Pulisball, but if you need a tactical firefighter of a manager to parachute into your misfiring club in order to kick-ass and keep that big-money a-flowing, he's your man, without question.

The only thing is, after saving your club from relegation in that first tricky season, your club can reasonably expect a few seasons of mid-table stability, those magic 40 points. Just don't expect to behold attacking fluid football. And don't expect your academy talent to blossom anytime soon, nor expect your team to be challenging for Europe. Forget seeing any young talent on show as well. But apart from these minor niggles, it's all good.

But fair's far, i'll happily concede that for a year or so our Tone totally surprised everyone with that Palace side, but it really was only a matter of time for him to revert to type.

However, not all fans are completely satisfied with mere survival. At Stoke we found that after four seasons of Tony parking the bus away and sometimes at home with Pulisball dished up week after week at The Brit, it can start to grate on the less obstinate of the clubs support, some may even seek out other, more interesting things to do on a Saturday afternoon.

Which is even more surprising when you consider Tony's record in the Premier League with Stoke. It reads very well. Firstly he won promotion to the top flight after an entire generation of Stokie's grew up watching our team get beaten by Port Vale in the third tier. Then, arguably his biggest achievement, he only went and kept us there (Paddy Power paid out on all Stoke relegation bets after the first game). The taking of big scalps at The Brit too became commonplace. He then led the club to its only FA Cup Final in 150 years, en-route setting an all time FA Cup SF record in a 5-0 win over Bolton. That was followed by a decent Europa League adventure, only going out to Valencia in the knockout stages. Bloody marvellous!

The whole Stoke City FC setup was often described as a "dogs-home" for a certain type of player. The side he moulded was physical and at one point the tallest in europe. This mentality on the pitch, in turn, saw the Brit morph into the loudest ground in England with a hostile bear-pit atmosphere where no team enjoyed playing, particularly those southern softies - Arsenal.

It looked like Tony "Mr. Stoke City" Pulis and our club were made for each other. It seemed certain that he had a job for life and would go on to create a Fergusonesque legacy. His relationship with our Chairman was special too. And to his eternal credit Tony even turned up for a game at half-time on the day his mother passed away. We were all very attached, physically and emotionally.

Tony's achievements were beyond anything the fans had hoped for, or had even dreamed of just a few years before he turned up for a second crack as boss. These were heady times indeed, particularly those first two riotous seasons in the Premiership.

Yet, if you speak to Stoke City fans today, not many will place Tony's managerial greatest hits above those of Tony Waddington, Lou Macari or even Mark Hughes, despite what he clearly achieved with the club.

And here's the thing. Tony Pulis should have been revered, immortal, untouchable at Stoke. Yet after 5 years in the top-flight, far too many of our fans would have taken relegation, in a shot, just to see the back of the dire football being served up in that last 18 months in charge.

Toward the end of his last season, the Stoke support was fairly evenly divided into two antagonistic camps; the fans who enjoyed the Premier League status and felt that Tone had plenty of footballing credit in the bank to continue to play the Pulis way. And then there were the fans, starting with our away support, who had seen enough. This section of the support wanted to be entertained by a side trying to win games. What was on offer was unholy.

In Tony's last season at Stoke the atmosphere around the club and inside The Brit turned sour and became increasingly toxic. The tell-tale season ticket sales were dropping off in exactly the same way as they have recently been at West Brom. And just like West Brom the Pulis-out! dissenters grew in number each week. Boo's too became a feature as did the growing number of empty seats. The general apathy and malaise around the place was evident and The Brit had totally lost its voice. I'm sure he didn't want to, but our Chairman, Peter Coates had to act in the best interests of the club.

Despite this cautionary tale, i'm fairly sure Tony will soon be engaged in another 999-emergency-rescue job soon. He's good at it. But experience tells us that any deal your club enters into with Tony Pulis for his short-term survival know-how, is likely to come with a long-term price tag."
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on November 22, 2017, 07:11:20 PM
One things for sure the bloke managed to attract some very good players to the football club. The man who takes the reign next has some very good players to choose from at his disposal from the start but if i ever see Barry,Livermore and Krychowiak in the same midfield ever again i may scream.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 22, 2017, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on November 22, 2017, 07:11:20 PM
One things for sure the bloke managed to attract some very good players to the football club. The man who takes the reign next has some very good players to choose from at his disposal from the start but if i ever see Barry,Livermore and Krychowiak in the same midfield ever again i may scream.
it could happen as we haven't got an attacking central midfield player with Morrison out....please Hammond/new manager sort that out in January
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 22, 2017, 09:23:03 PM
Quote from: glosterbaggie on November 22, 2017, 06:58:25 PM
Just about sums it all up. From Guardian letters.
"I'm fairly sure that Tony Pulis would have kept West Brom up. West Brom may have ended up playing Tony's signature dish; the mind-numbing Pulisball, but if you need a tactical firefighter of a manager to parachute into your misfiring club in order to kick-ass and keep that big-money a-flowing, he's your man, without question.

The only thing is, after saving your club from relegation in that first tricky season, your club can reasonably expect a few seasons of mid-table stability, those magic 40 points. Just don't expect to behold attacking fluid football. And don't expect your academy talent to blossom anytime soon, nor expect your team to be challenging for Europe. Forget seeing any young talent on show as well. But apart from these minor niggles, it's all good.

But fair's far, i'll happily concede that for a year or so our Tone totally surprised everyone with that Palace side, but it really was only a matter of time for him to revert to type.

However, not all fans are completely satisfied with mere survival. At Stoke we found that after four seasons of Tony parking the bus away and sometimes at home with Pulisball dished up week after week at The Brit, it can start to grate on the less obstinate of the clubs support, some may even seek out other, more interesting things to do on a Saturday afternoon.

Which is even more surprising when you consider Tony's record in the Premier League with Stoke. It reads very well. Firstly he won promotion to the top flight after an entire generation of Stokie's grew up watching our team get beaten by Port Vale in the third tier. Then, arguably his biggest achievement, he only went and kept us there (Paddy Power paid out on all Stoke relegation bets after the first game). The taking of big scalps at The Brit too became commonplace. He then led the club to its only FA Cup Final in 150 years, en-route setting an all time FA Cup SF record in a 5-0 win over Bolton. That was followed by a decent Europa League adventure, only going out to Valencia in the knockout stages. Bloody marvellous!

The whole Stoke City FC setup was often described as a "dogs-home" for a certain type of player. The side he moulded was physical and at one point the tallest in europe. This mentality on the pitch, in turn, saw the Brit morph into the loudest ground in England with a hostile bear-pit atmosphere where no team enjoyed playing, particularly those southern softies - Arsenal.

It looked like Tony "Mr. Stoke City" Pulis and our club were made for each other. It seemed certain that he had a job for life and would go on to create a Fergusonesque legacy. His relationship with our Chairman was special too. And to his eternal credit Tony even turned up for a game at half-time on the day his mother passed away. We were all very attached, physically and emotionally.

Tony's achievements were beyond anything the fans had hoped for, or had even dreamed of just a few years before he turned up for a second crack as boss. These were heady times indeed, particularly those first two riotous seasons in the Premiership.

Yet, if you speak to Stoke City fans today, not many will place Tony's managerial greatest hits above those of Tony Waddington, Lou Macari or even Mark Hughes, despite what he clearly achieved with the club.

And here's the thing. Tony Pulis should have been revered, immortal, untouchable at Stoke. Yet after 5 years in the top-flight, far too many of our fans would have taken relegation, in a shot, just to see the back of the dire football being served up in that last 18 months in charge.

Toward the end of his last season, the Stoke support was fairly evenly divided into two antagonistic camps; the fans who enjoyed the Premier League status and felt that Tone had plenty of footballing credit in the bank to continue to play the Pulis way. And then there were the fans, starting with our away support, who had seen enough. This section of the support wanted to be entertained by a side trying to win games. What was on offer was unholy.

In Tony's last season at Stoke the atmosphere around the club and inside The Brit turned sour and became increasingly toxic. The tell-tale season ticket sales were dropping off in exactly the same way as they have recently been at West Brom. And just like West Brom the Pulis-out! dissenters grew in number each week. Boo's too became a feature as did the growing number of empty seats. The general apathy and malaise around the place was evident and The Brit had totally lost its voice. I'm sure he didn't want to, but our Chairman, Peter Coates had to act in the best interests of the club.

Despite this cautionary tale, i'm fairly sure Tony will soon be engaged in another 999-emergency-rescue job soon. He's good at it. But experience tells us that any deal your club enters into with Tony Pulis for his short-term survival know-how, is likely to come with a long-term price tag."
a truly accurate summary and no doubt to be repeated elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 22, 2017, 09:23:44 PM
Quote from: baggie38 on November 22, 2017, 07:11:20 PM
The man who takes the reign next has some very good players to choose from at his disposal from the start but if i ever see Barry,Livermore and Krychowiak in the same midfield ever again i may scream.
Maybe the combination would be better if they're not all being played as holding midfielders? Perhaps either Livermore or Krychowiak might look better if allowed to get forward more? We haven't been able to tell up until now, because Pulis did the same thing rain or shine, despite the fact that it clearly wasn't working. They might thrive through being unshackled a bit.

Hopefully we'll see some variety in line-ups and tactics going forward that will allow us to judge just how good or bad these players really are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on November 22, 2017, 09:33:29 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 22, 2017, 09:23:44 PM
Maybe the combination would be better if they're not all being played as holding midfielders? Perhaps either Livermore or Krychowiak might look better if allowed to get forward more? We haven't been able to tell up until now, because Pulis did the same thing rain or shine, despite the fact that it clearly wasn't working. They might thrive through being unshackled a bit.

Hopefully we'll see some variety in line-ups and tactics going forward that will allow us to judge just how good or bad these players really are.
I was impressed with Livermore for England against Germany yet for us he has been naff. a change in tactics might see us get that player who got forward a damn sight more than he does for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 22, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Lads, the topic is TONY PULIS, its not about new managers so please keep new manager talk in the appropriate thread and leave this one to TONY PULIS
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 23, 2017, 09:14:21 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 22, 2017, 06:11:22 PM
People seem to have lost sight of the fact that the whole idea of football is to provide entertainment. If it doesn't exist for that purpose, what's the point of it? It seems to be more about lining the pockets of players, agents and coaching staff these days not to mention, in our case, former owners!

Not caring about entertainment is what makes the likes of Pulis thrive of course, when they should actually be unsuccessful because what they produce isn't enjoyable to watch.

Over time most people will be sick of losing no matter how much possession or goals the team gets.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on November 23, 2017, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: Nathan on November 21, 2017, 10:45:14 PM
Thought this was improbable as I presumed Pulis was nailed on for the Welsh job but it now looks like Craig Bellamy may unbelievably somehow get that gig so I also fear that this could well happen should Swansea dispose of Clement.

I pity any supporters of the Welsh national side with the choice of next manager seemingly being between that prize idiot Bellamy and Pulis. It's almost as uninspiring and demoralising as our list of candidates.
Sadly we can't attract the endless list of high quality managers that apply for and land the England job  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 23, 2017, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: DivinePast on November 23, 2017, 09:14:21 PM
Over time most people will be sick of losing no matter how much possession or goals the team gets.
Does having more possession and scoring more goals make teams more likely to lose then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 24, 2017, 04:37:19 PM
Durham on Talksport, Everton should call for Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on November 24, 2017, 04:50:50 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 24, 2017, 04:37:19 PM
Durham on Talksport, Everton should call for Pulis

Can you imagine if he went there and took them down  :o.....Have they ever been outside the top flight?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 24, 2017, 05:12:18 PM
Quote from: miggybaggy on November 24, 2017, 04:50:50 PM
Can you imagine if he went there and took them down  :o.....Have they ever been outside the top flight?

Yes, before football began in 1992.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 24, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
Everton could do a lot worse than give it to Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 24, 2017, 05:57:15 PM
pulis football does not belong in the top flight
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 24, 2017, 06:04:02 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 24, 2017, 04:37:19 PM
Durham on Talksport, Everton should call for Pulis

That guy is the biggest idiot on any radio show. He's the reason I stopped listening to Talksport.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 24, 2017, 06:05:34 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 24, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
Everton could do a lot worse than give it to Pulis.

Ok - Tell us who would be worse??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 24, 2017, 06:25:32 PM
Quote from: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 24, 2017, 06:05:34 PM
Ok - Tell us who would be worse??

Well Martin O'Neill is favourite, him for a start.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 24, 2017, 08:49:14 PM
Quote from: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 24, 2017, 06:05:34 PM
Ok - Tell us who would be worse??

Walter Mazzarri
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 24, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
If he got it i'd give it a year until the fans turn on him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: DivinePast on November 24, 2017, 11:15:11 PM
Quote from: lewisant on November 24, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
If he got it i'd give it a year until the fans turn on him.

The Merryside Derby will be amazing with Liverpool having 90% possession  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 25, 2017, 01:21:51 AM
Quote from: lewisant on November 24, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
If he got it i'd give it a year until the fans turn on him.

Tony Pulis would be to Everton as Alan Irvine was to us the fans would turn on him before a ball was kicked.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 25, 2017, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: Standaman on November 25, 2017, 01:21:51 AM
Tony Pulis would be to Everton as Alan Irvine was to us the fans would turn on him before a ball was kicked.

Have to agree. I met up with some Everton fans I know after the game at Goodison last season, and one of them spent most of the time in the pub and pretty much all the train journey back to Hull lambasting Pulis' tactics during the game and his anti football approach...you'd have thought we'd won 3-0 the moaning he was doing!

I doubt Everton would even think twice about Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on November 25, 2017, 01:37:35 PM
I know an Everton fan who said he just couldn’t stomach Pulis there. Swansea would seem Pulis most likely next stop on the list of desperate to stay up clubs. Poor them, not so long ago they were lauded for their quality of football. I suppose they’ll still have their place in the premier league to console them when they’re bored stiff next season onwards ......

Fair play to Pulis, he certainly is good at a short term bounce but his methods were horribly thin pretty quickly .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on November 25, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Merse slating us on Soccer Saturday asking if we like Championship football and look at Charlton etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 25, 2017, 01:51:04 PM
We villa would swap with them anyway he said, apparently West Brom fans would rather be watching football in the championship than non football in the premier . That tash of his, what a plonker
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 25, 2017, 02:32:29 PM
is he currently on the blower to his mate meggo pulling the strings?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 27, 2017, 09:27:21 AM
The players are dancing on the streets


http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/912499304?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: shortybaggies on November 27, 2017, 12:31:24 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on November 27, 2017, 09:27:21 AM
The players are dancing on the streets


http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/912499304?-11200:789:0

The whole article is summed up by Foster's retelling of what SGM had to say before the Spurs game.

"I want you to play a little bit more football, basically just get 20 yards further forward"

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on November 27, 2017, 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 24, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
Everton could do a lot worse than give it to Pulis.
Give over now!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 27, 2017, 01:00:58 PM
Quote from: Legend on November 24, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
Everton could do a lot worse than give it to Pulis.
I'd be chuffed.  But then, I don't particularly like Everton.  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 27, 2017, 01:05:12 PM
Quote from: alex1 on November 27, 2017, 01:00:58 PM
I'd be chuffed.  But then, I don't particularly like Everton.  :)


same here, cant stand everton so please go there tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 27, 2017, 08:53:32 PM
 Danny Higginbotham put it quite succinctly when I spoke to him on the phone, “I think it’s a given that players are going to work hard, it’s a pre-requisite of the game and it’s easier than ever to see if players aren’t trying their hardest. But if working hard is all they are ever asked to do, well, that isn’t why most of them wanted to become footballers, is it?” Very true.

When Tony Pulis was sacked by West Brom on Monday morning there would have been a few tears shed in the home changing room. Tears of joy. It is said that during the Welshman’s last match in charge, a 4-0 defeat against Chelsea, a number of players not in the matchday squad whom were watching on from an executive box joined in with the fans that were signing, ‘you don’t know what you’re doing!’

The mantra in football changing rooms up and down the country is that it’s always funny when it’s happening to someone else.

The interesting part of his downfall is that Pulis did know what he was doing, or at least he knew what he wanted his players to do, it is just that the players didn’t want to do it anymore. Players will tolerate most of what a manager asks them to do until he stables the ship. Until the team hauls itself away from danger. But eventually they are going to want more. They are going to want the freedom to express themselves as footballers. They want the watching world to see how good they are, not just how fit they are.

A run of 11 Premier League games without a victory thrust the West Brom board into an easy decision. Indeed, the last time West Brom’s fans had seen their team record a victory was in the Carabao Cup, a stunning 3-1 victory against Accrington Stanley no less.

The owners’ decision to lift the cloud over the club seemed as if it might reap instant rewards yesterday as the Baggies took on Spurs at Wembley.

Salomon Rondon, who prior to Saturday’s game had scored just twice in 12 games, took only three minutes to put his side one up as caretaker manager Gary Megson allowed nearly two of his players to cross the halfway line.

I cannot tell you how draining I found it to watch West Brom under Pulis. Nobody can doubt the fitness of the players and their desire. But it is a desire born of Pulis’ obsession to not get beat first and win second.

Which begs a question: What could Pulis achieve if he wasn’t so anti-football, if he allowed his players a little more freedom on the football pitch, particularly in the final third where so often the West Brom attacks take on the form of the world’s most mind-numbing choreography?

But the 59-year-old will not change. He has carved out a niche as an organiser that can stave off the threat of relegation with unspectacular displays from well-drilled footballers.

Pulis breaks the pitch into three areas but there is only one area that matters. He calls it ‘the working zone’. It is the zone on the pitch that Pulis considers the most important to the turnover of the ball.

Imagine looking at the pitch from a bird’s eye view perspective and throwing a blanket over the area that you are defending from the halfway line to the edge of the penalty area before folding it ten feet in from each touchline. That’s the working zone.

When defending, the entire team will narrow in and even the striker will drop onto the halfway line to act as a first line of defence. Eleven men behind the ball. Upon turnover of the ball, three players are allowed to break, the striker, the number ten and the closest winger.

But Pulis’ real desire is to score from set-pieces. He believes that set-pieces are the most important components of a football match. Scoring and defending.

If he could win each game 1-0 with his centre-half scoring a header from a corner then Pulis would consider that to be the ultimate success. Set-pieces are incredibly important over the course of a season, they are a vital source of goals. But rarely have I seen a manager prioritise set-pieces as the primary source of goals.

It is this strategy that made West Brom’s matches under Pulis so easy to ignore on Match of The Day.

After Rondon scored yesterday, West Brom were forced to revert to type, well aware that they may have angered Spurs. They lapsed only once when Harry Kane stole in to score in the 77th minute with the otherwise brilliant Jonny Evans epitomising the team spirit that remains despite of the departure of Pulis. Or maybe it is relief.

Whichever, the togetherness will certainly be of comfort to Alan Pardew who seems almost certain to be the lucky recipient of yet another job for the boys given his close relationship with West Brom’s technical director of football, Nick Hammond, who worked with Pardew at Reading.

And Pulis may get the same treatment from Swansea who seem set to replace current manager Paul Clement. Alas, any turnaround in the fortunes of the Swans will be down to another organisational masterclass from the former Stoke manager as he attempts to prevent the Welsh side bringing his first relegation. Until the players reject him of course.

In the meantime, do let me know if he pulls it off. I’ll be asleep under this rock.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/the-secret-footballer/footballers-want-to-show-more-than-how-fit-they-are-463522.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/the-secret-footballer/footballers-want-to-show-more-than-how-fit-they-are-463522.html)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on November 27, 2017, 09:19:42 PM
Quote from: BB74 on November 27, 2017, 08:53:32 PM
Danny Higginbotham put it quite succinctly when I spoke to him on the phone, “I think it’s a given that players are going to work hard, it’s a pre-requisite of the game and it’s easier than ever to see if players aren’t trying their hardest. But if working hard is all they are ever asked to do, well, that isn’t why most of them wanted to become footballers, is it?” Very true.

When Tony Pulis was sacked by West Brom on Monday morning there would have been a few tears shed in the home changing room. Tears of joy. It is said that during the Welshman’s last match in charge, a 4-0 defeat against Chelsea, a number of players not in the matchday squad whom were watching on from an executive box joined in with the fans that were signing, ‘you don’t know what you’re doing!’

The mantra in football changing rooms up and down the country is that it’s always funny when it’s happening to someone else.

The interesting part of his downfall is that Pulis did know what he was doing, or at least he knew what he wanted his players to do, it is just that the players didn’t want to do it anymore. Players will tolerate most of what a manager asks them to do until he stables the ship. Until the team hauls itself away from danger. But eventually they are going to want more. They are going to want the freedom to express themselves as footballers. They want the watching world to see how good they are, not just how fit they are.

A run of 11 Premier League games without a victory thrust the West Brom board into an easy decision. Indeed, the last time West Brom’s fans had seen their team record a victory was in the Carabao Cup, a stunning 3-1 victory against Accrington Stanley no less.

The owners’ decision to lift the cloud over the club seemed as if it might reap instant rewards yesterday as the Baggies took on Spurs at Wembley.

Salomon Rondon, who prior to Saturday’s game had scored just twice in 12 games, took only three minutes to put his side one up as caretaker manager Gary Megson allowed nearly two of his players to cross the halfway line.

I cannot tell you how draining I found it to watch West Brom under Pulis. Nobody can doubt the fitness of the players and their desire. But it is a desire born of Pulis’ obsession to not get beat first and win second.

Which begs a question: What could Pulis achieve if he wasn’t so anti-football, if he allowed his players a little more freedom on the football pitch, particularly in the final third where so often the West Brom attacks take on the form of the world’s most mind-numbing choreography?

But the 59-year-old will not change. He has carved out a niche as an organiser that can stave off the threat of relegation with unspectacular displays from well-drilled footballers.

Pulis breaks the pitch into three areas but there is only one area that matters. He calls it ‘the working zone’. It is the zone on the pitch that Pulis considers the most important to the turnover of the ball.

Imagine looking at the pitch from a bird’s eye view perspective and throwing a blanket over the area that you are defending from the halfway line to the edge of the penalty area before folding it ten feet in from each touchline. That’s the working zone.

When defending, the entire team will narrow in and even the striker will drop onto the halfway line to act as a first line of defence. Eleven men behind the ball. Upon turnover of the ball, three players are allowed to break, the striker, the number ten and the closest winger.

But Pulis’ real desire is to score from set-pieces. He believes that set-pieces are the most important components of a football match. Scoring and defending.

If he could win each game 1-0 with his centre-half scoring a header from a corner then Pulis would consider that to be the ultimate success. Set-pieces are incredibly important over the course of a season, they are a vital source of goals. But rarely have I seen a manager prioritise set-pieces as the primary source of goals.

It is this strategy that made West Brom’s matches under Pulis so easy to ignore on Match of The Day.

After Rondon scored yesterday, West Brom were forced to revert to type, well aware that they may have angered Spurs. They lapsed only once when Harry Kane stole in to score in the 77th minute with the otherwise brilliant Jonny Evans epitomising the team spirit that remains despite of the departure of Pulis. Or maybe it is relief.

Whichever, the togetherness will certainly be of comfort to Alan Pardew who seems almost certain to be the lucky recipient of yet another job for the boys given his close relationship with West Brom’s technical director of football, Nick Hammond, who worked with Pardew at Reading.

And Pulis may get the same treatment from Swansea who seem set to replace current manager Paul Clement. Alas, any turnaround in the fortunes of the Swans will be down to another organisational masterclass from the former Stoke manager as he attempts to prevent the Welsh side bringing his first relegation. Until the players reject him of course.

In the meantime, do let me know if he pulls it off. I’ll be asleep under this rock.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/the-secret-footballer/footballers-want-to-show-more-than-how-fit-they-are-463522.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/the-secret-footballer/footballers-want-to-show-more-than-how-fit-they-are-463522.html)

That is a magnificent article and a masterly dissection of TP’s entire philosophy and game plan. Bravo sir.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: petethebaggie on November 27, 2017, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: Chipperfan on November 27, 2017, 09:19:42 PM
That is a magnificent article and a masterly dissection of TP’s entire philosophy and game plan. Bravo sir.
I will second that Bravo!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 27, 2017, 11:33:17 PM
And I will third it. However, our 'working zone' didn’t work. The striker was left on his own in the opposition half. I understand the theory of turnover, but lumping forward to an outnumbered striker would reduce the chances of keeping possession, thus relinquishing possession. Therefore, that created another turnover zone. A negative turnover zone for the team that adopted this approach. It seems we didn’t really stick to the rules. Or am I wrong? I’ll have another beer and think about it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on November 28, 2017, 12:06:59 AM
Quote from: costa blanca baggie on November 27, 2017, 11:33:17 PM
And I will third it. However, our 'working zone' didn’t work. The striker was left on his own in the opposition half. I understand the theory of turnover, but lumping forward to an outnumbered striker would reduce the chances of keeping possession, thus relinquishing possession. Therefore, that created another turnover zone. A negative turnover zone for the team that adopted this approach. It seems we didn’t really stick to the rules. Or am I wrong? I’ll have another beer and think about it.
in the end Pulis was as he was at stoke a busted flush who keeps getting lucky to keep his never been relegated tag.good riddance to him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kamarasboot on November 28, 2017, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on November 28, 2017, 12:06:59 AM
in the end Pulis was as he was at stoke a busted flush who keeps getting lucky to keep his never been relegated tag.good riddance to him

he doesn't get lucky- but his approach has a shelf life. He does what he does well. Usually takes over at a club struggling - which usually means lack of structure/discipline on and off the pitch. He has a good way of putting this back into sides, however as we've seen when he then invests in better quality players he struggles to change his style and impose his old methods on players who now have a different mentality.

Not a massive fan of pulis' tactics or style but to say his record over the last x number of years with different sides in the toughest league in the world is Lucky is a bit too far for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 28, 2017, 02:25:52 PM
When you are in a mess there is nobody better in my honest view , overall did a good job here but should have left in the Summer with a golden handshake as I posted back then.
Has a limited shelf life and the football will rarely be stunning but he left us a lot better than he found us squad wise if nothing else.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on November 28, 2017, 02:44:07 PM
I’ve nothing but respect for what Pulis provided stability-wise for us

Def the right man at the time

Like others have said he should have gone in the summer

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 04, 2017, 09:08:21 AM
Slutsky has left Hull City by "mutual consent" with them winless in 7 and 3 points above the relegation places.

Wouldn't be surprised if Pulis is offered the job there. Think it's between Swansea and Hull.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiebof on December 04, 2017, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on December 04, 2017, 09:08:21 AM
Slutsky has left Hull City by "mutual consent" with them winless in 7 and 3 points above the relegation places.

Wouldn't be surprised if Pulis is offered the job there. Think it's between Swansea and Hull.

I was thinking that this is definitely a job that Megson will go for, still lives in Yorkshire I believe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 04, 2017, 09:58:25 AM
Pulis will be back in the PL, no doubt about that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 04, 2017, 10:59:41 AM
Quote from: baggiebof on December 04, 2017, 09:48:27 AM
I was thinking that this is definitely a job that Megson will go for, still lives in Yorkshire I believe.

Given his track record re interfering/foreign owners I'd be stunned if Sir Gary were to agree to work with/for Assem and Ehab Allam.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2017, 02:47:00 PM
what a plonker

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/914061455?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 06, 2017, 02:48:28 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2017, 02:47:00 PM
what a plonker

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/914061455?-11200:789:0

Just defending his pal really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2017, 02:52:59 PM
yes but him lying will bite him on the ass.
Tony Pulis as i have said before should be banned from all levels of football, hes killing the game. i am still in a daze
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 06, 2017, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2017, 02:47:00 PM
what a plonker

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/914061455?-11200:789:0
Nothing wrong with what Francis says there ,you do have to find a way against the mega rich clubs. While Pulis will always gave limited shelf life I for one don't want lumping against the big clubs.
There is balance and you do need to offer a threat , I will be interested to see how Pardew does it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2017, 03:50:13 PM
his style was no differnt whatever the team we played
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 06, 2017, 04:09:34 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2017, 03:50:13 PM
his style was no differnt whatever the team we played
It was for the spell Francis mentions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on December 06, 2017, 04:50:06 PM
Quote from: Dexy on December 06, 2017, 04:09:34 PM
It was for the spell Francis mentions.

Can’t speak about all the games Francis mentions, but I did see the Hull game and we were rubbish. Just happened to score three but the performance goals aside was classic Pulis i.e. mind numbingly dull.

Ongoing defence of his approach is admirable, but somewhat unrealistic. Unfortunately he had lost his way several months back, but just continued doing the same things and hoping for different outcomes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on December 06, 2017, 05:19:03 PM
Quote from: Chipperfan on December 06, 2017, 04:50:06 PM
Can’t speak about all the games Francis mentions, but I did see the Hull game and we were rubbish. Just happened to score three but the performance goals aside was classic Pulis i.e. mind numbingly dull.

Ongoing defence of his approach is admirable, but somewhat unrealistic. Unfortunately he had lost his way several months back, but just continued doing the same things and hoping for different outcomes.
Nothing  admirable , most of us knew what we signed up for when he came. We knew what Pulis does , we needed him back then after Irvine and the mess the club was in.
I posted in the Summer he should have gone , his run was up and I for one could see this unfolding when given decent money to spend. I'll call him for his bad run but I won't deny his good parts too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 09, 2017, 05:09:36 PM
...even when he's gone we're still arguing about Pulis. Can we please stop talking about him and start looking forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 09, 2017, 06:15:58 PM
I like Pardew compared to the alternatives. But he needed a quick start to justify the sacking. Especially with TP reputation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 09, 2017, 06:20:48 PM
Funnily enough we did well under Megson and was unlucky not to win both games he took charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 09, 2017, 08:10:56 PM
I can't help thinking if only we had held on against the likes of Stoke, Watford, Leicester etc. We were so unlucky.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 10, 2017, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 09, 2017, 08:10:56 PM
I can't help thinking if only we had held on against the likes of Stoke, Watford, Leicester etc. We were so unlucky.
Quote from: Legend on December 09, 2017, 06:20:48 PM
Funnily enough we did well under Megson and was unlucky not to win both games he took charge.

you say unlucky  I'd say poor game management as in all those games we sat back and invited pressure on despite only having a 1 goal advantage.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 10, 2017, 02:12:10 PM
Pulis will cost us . Should have been sacked in the summer. I never want to watch that rubbish football ever again, I hope he never ever gets another top flight job again
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 10, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on December 10, 2017, 02:12:10 PM
Pulis will cost us . Should have been sacked in the summer. I never want to watch that rubbish football ever again, I hope he never ever gets another top flight job again

He'll be back some day. Any team struggling in the bottom three will make Pulis their first call.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 10, 2017, 02:34:50 PM
My final thoughts on the previous coach;

Well you must have to really really really like football to find watching a Tony Pulis side in any way interesting/exciting.

He made me lose interest in going to or watching West Brom games for the first time in my life.

Very thankful that the painfully dull period is finally over now and there is room for me to try and start enjoying the sport again

Be it Premiership, Championship or Conference, for me I cant see West Brom ever being as boring to watch or follow than under Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on December 10, 2017, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 10, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
He'll be back some day. Any team struggling in the bottom three will make Pulis their first call.

This whole theory of Pulis saving teams and will never get relegated is the biggest load of bullsh*t I've heard.

I've never been hit by a bus, but it doesn't mean it can't happen.

Anyone who would be in a position where they need to employ what people like you would call a 'pulis type coach' will look at his record and surely be put off by the mess he got us in.... after being given enough transfer windows and time to sort us out.

Everyone's acting like he's the saviour of struggling teams.... apart from stoke where he was there for a good amount of time and hit a brick wall where he couldn't take them any further, he's only been to crystal palace... where he shat on them and left on bad terms (if that was a player treated a club the way he did he would get slated by everyone) and ourselves where he ultimately got us into a mess with an unbalanced team of players who's quality is very questionable.... along with boring everyone to death and creating a massive divide in the process.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 10, 2017, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: adamw1109 on December 10, 2017, 02:42:08 PM
This whole theory of Pulis saving teams and will never get relegated is the biggest load of bullsh*t I've heard.

I've never been hit by a bus, but it doesn't mean it can't happen.

Anyone who would be in a position where they need to employ what people like you would call a 'pulis type coach' will look at his record and surely be put off by the mess he got us in.... after being given enough transfer windows and time to sort us out.

Everyone's acting like he's the saviour of struggling teams.... apart from stoke where he was there for a good amount of time and hit a brick wall where he couldn't take them any further, he's only been to crystal palace... where he shat on them and left on bad terms (if that was a player treated a club the way he did he would get slated by everyone) and ourselves where he ultimately got us into a mess with an unbalanced team of players who's quality is very questionable.... along with boring everyone to death and creating a massive divide in the process.
100%
Ther are "people" like Pulis and Big fathead Sam that should not be allowed anywhere near the professional sport, but obviously we can't put the detail..

Scumbags have ruined the sport, it'll never come back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 10, 2017, 07:09:11 PM
Never was a big fan of Pulis but he was the right man at the right time.my biggest gripe is the players themselves,yes the games were often dull and negative under Pulis but I won't blame him for players not being able to pass & control a football.they've mostly been coached by different managers in their careers and not one will or should be capable of taken away a set of skills the Profession demands.if a footballer at this level isnt capable of these things theyre stealing a living.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on December 11, 2017, 05:36:29 PM
Quote from: caravanc58 on December 10, 2017, 07:09:11 PM
Never was a big fan of Pulis but he was the right man at the right time.my biggest gripe is the players themselves,yes the games were often dull and negative under Pulis but I won't blame him for players not being able to pass & control a football.they've mostly been coached by different managers in their careers and not one will or should be capable of taken away a set of skills the Profession demands.if a footballer at this level isnt capable of these things theyre stealing a living.

so we have accumulated a set of people who have managed to con their ways to the top level of their profession and stolen a living? You include Brunt / Morrison / gibbs ? Phillips / Chadlei / rondon / Krychowiak in this class??

Its a fundamentally bad argument, the common factor is the coward and now he's gone we can start getting the players we signed back, quickly we hope.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 12, 2017, 09:49:08 PM
 Oatcake calling for Pulis  :)http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/274048/tp-back
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 12, 2017, 09:54:19 PM
It makes me nervous that he's out of a job. We are in a relegation battle and the last thing we need is one of our rivals appointing the man who has never been relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: adamw1109 on December 12, 2017, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 12, 2017, 09:54:19 PM
It makes me nervous that he's out of a job. We are in a relegation battle and the last thing we need is one of our rivals appointing the man who has never been relegated.

Great news. Let him put them in a sh*t position with an unbalanced poor team like he got us into.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 12, 2017, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 12, 2017, 09:54:19 PM
It makes me nervous that he's out of a job. We are in a relegation battle and the last thing we need is one of our rivals appointing the man who has never been relegated.
He doesn't have a magic wand and has lost his mojo at present (such that it is). There's a first time for everything, so anyone in trouble in our division who appoints him is taking an almighty risk.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on December 12, 2017, 11:37:10 PM
wish the mods would padlock this thread,hes gone thankfully we move on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 12, 2017, 11:38:34 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on December 12, 2017, 11:37:10 PM
wish the mods would padlock this thread,hes gone thankfully we move on

why post on it if you feel that way?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheBrom on December 14, 2017, 08:10:28 PM
Lots of debate going on currently about whether Stoke should take him back  :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on December 14, 2017, 09:53:08 PM
My stokie pals are very worried about them atmo, i think pulls is the man for the job  ;D ;D ;D

Didnt he have a big falling out with his pal coates though?

Imagine the state of the oatcake if he goes back
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on December 14, 2017, 10:14:38 PM
Bet sadio cant wait 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 14, 2017, 10:20:50 PM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on December 14, 2017, 09:53:08 PM
My stokie pals are very worried about them atmo, i think pulls is the man for the job  ;D ;D ;D

Didnt he have a big falling out with his pal coates though?

Imagine the state of the oatcake if he goes back

From memory it was an amicable parting of the ways and I'm pretty sure they remain good friends.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on December 14, 2017, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on December 14, 2017, 10:14:38 PM
Bet sadio cant wait 😂😂😂😂

I bet Saido and Fletch would first at the door to greet him if he he was appointed :) :) :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on December 14, 2017, 11:00:37 PM
can we start referring to him as TFP now?im sure you know what I mean :D :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on December 16, 2017, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: barnestormer on December 14, 2017, 11:00:37 PM
can we start referring to him as TFP now?im sure you know what I mean :D :D

Tony Fantastic Pulis? If you like...  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 16, 2017, 02:36:34 PM
Tfp Tony failed Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on December 16, 2017, 02:39:54 PM
Quote from: Legend on December 16, 2017, 02:34:49 PM
Tony Fantastic Pulis? If you like...  ;)
I was thinking of something more crude in the swear word dept and fits so aptly.SO GLAD HES GONE and SO EMBARSSED HES PART OF OUR HISTORY
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on December 16, 2017, 04:04:49 PM
Shouls we go down just wait for the Pulis lovers to come on saying 'He would of kept us up'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 16, 2017, 10:33:58 PM
Anyone see him on the bein sports channel today with keys and grey , what does he really know about the beautiful game , there a top top team. Yes we all know tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 17, 2017, 10:42:40 AM
What was that song by the Jackson 5? I want you back??

Stoke fans are divided but it does make for amusing reading....

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/274225/pulis-come-back
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 17, 2017, 06:08:09 PM
Such a blessing I don't see him being interviewed on tv anymore , the constant praising of every team but his own
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 17, 2017, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on December 17, 2017, 10:42:40 AM
What was that song by the Jackson 5? I want you back??

Stoke fans are divided but it does make for amusing reading....

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/274225/pulis-come-back

Christ no not me. I can still feel the bile in my throat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on December 20, 2017, 08:12:02 PM
Clement has just been sacked....odds on Pulis in ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 20, 2017, 08:13:52 PM
Swansea from free flowing football to turgid negative, I best pre warn their supporters , be carful what they wish for
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on December 24, 2017, 08:26:26 PM
Talking to Boro apparently. .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 24, 2017, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on December 24, 2017, 08:26:26 PM
Talking to Boro apparently. .
Supposedly. Apparently their chairman has decided out of the blue that their squad is better suited to "pragmatic" (aka boring) football than the more open, passing game that Monk was trying to introduce, so Pulis would be ideal in that respect. Their fans must be overjoyed at the prospect....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 25, 2017, 10:47:50 AM
Oh is he? And there was me thinking he was taking a break to spend time with his family... ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on December 25, 2017, 02:07:33 PM
Would be ironic if he got a say in whether we got Ben Gibson. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on December 25, 2017, 08:30:23 PM
got his wish we sack him gets money to pay palace gets a new job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on December 26, 2017, 11:44:34 AM
Appointed as Boro manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2017, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on December 26, 2017, 11:44:34 AM
Appointed as Boro manager
Strange appointment for me as they ain't relegation material.Hope they give him some money and he wants McClean and HRK.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on December 26, 2017, 11:50:59 AM
I cannot believe we hadn't got him on gardening leave,saving grace is hes not fire fighting a prem club,hope he falls flat on his smug face
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on December 26, 2017, 11:56:52 AM
Must be on a bundle to get them promotion...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on December 26, 2017, 11:57:14 AM
Off to ruin the reputation of another club. If we go down this season and Boro go up I'd still rather be in our position, I'm still glad we've come to the end of comfortably the worst period of football I've ever seen at the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 26, 2017, 12:00:05 PM
Middlesborough are boring to watch at the best of times. If I were a Boro fan now I would be locking all sharp objects away......

That's a hell of a commute from Sandbanks! He won't be rushing home for tea with Debs after the game, unless he has a jet paid for by 'Uncle Steve'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2017, 12:03:35 PM
It's a good appointment. Boro are floundering and Pulis will give them a much needed sense of direction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on December 26, 2017, 12:05:16 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2017, 12:03:35 PM
It's a good appointment. Boro are floundering and Pulis will give them a much needed sense of direction.
Direction goes both north and south as we found out to our own cost,glad hes history
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 26, 2017, 12:08:02 PM
Feel sorry for Boro.

Always seemed like a decent club who are now going to be in for a thoroughly miserable time and also, like us, have the reputation of their club dragged through the dirt.

Think we need to make an extra effort to be welcoming to their fans if we play them next season. They don’t deserve this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on December 26, 2017, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2017, 12:03:35 PM
It's a good appointment. Boro are floundering and Pulis will give them a much needed sense of direction.
Would Albion fans prefer him to bring Midlesbro up at the expense of the Villa and if we by some miracle stay up play against his team next season?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 26, 2017, 12:13:27 PM
Fine with me, means I don't have to watch his football for at least another 9 months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2017, 12:34:32 PM
Feel sorry for boro fans if your viewing this, Gibson must be desperate
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on December 26, 2017, 01:20:59 PM
Word was that Gibson took Mourinho out to dinner and asked him for recommendations when they appointed Karanka. Given that Mourinho is mates with Pulis and allegedly a fan I wonder if similar has happened ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2017, 04:30:12 PM
His team are 2-0 up against Bolton
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: andibaggy on December 26, 2017, 05:00:48 PM
He came, saw and destroyed us, he will move on and destroy another team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2017, 05:04:07 PM
He'll get them promoted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aztech on December 26, 2017, 08:45:35 PM
Perhaps Pulis would be willing to swap Gibson for Nyom, Robson-Kanu and McClean  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2017, 08:56:05 PM
No chance will he get them promoted, he's useless. Hopefully he will restore some faith and take back what he left us with including rondon
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on December 26, 2017, 09:00:06 PM
I think we need to respect what he did for us during his time here, BUT I love Pardiola’s honestly and freshness...at least we are trying to play football now...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2017, 09:04:01 PM
Respect, never in a million years, he's the death of football, yes we may have gone down first season but I bet we would be stronger now , he's taken us back years
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on December 26, 2017, 09:08:09 PM
Harsh...!
But that is now Middlesbrough’s problem...?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2017, 09:18:57 PM
Boro fans reckon he's coming for Morrison and brunt
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2017, 09:27:03 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2017, 09:18:57 PM
Boro fans reckon he's coming for Morrison and brunt
They can have Morrison but I doubt either would go for pulisball twice in there careers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on December 30, 2017, 02:43:02 PM
4-4-2 for Boro today. Odds on them scoring 3?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on December 30, 2017, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on December 30, 2017, 02:43:02 PM
4-4-2 for Boro today. Odds on them scoring 3?  ;D
Who Care's??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan87uk on December 30, 2017, 03:54:10 PM
To be honest, this thread is no longer relevant and should be locked...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2017, 03:56:16 PM
I think it's relevant , I wanna see him fail and take the pee
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on December 30, 2017, 04:32:40 PM
Is there not a Pepe Mel thread still going in here? There will be some of us who'll look at how he does. That and his first game was Villa.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan87uk on December 30, 2017, 04:37:59 PM
I think it's just because I really want to erase the man's existence from my memory :P

Vile are 1-0 up at Boro now, so laugh away.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2017, 05:01:37 PM
Quote from: Dan87uk on December 30, 2017, 04:37:59 PM
I think it's just because I really want to erase the man's existence from my memory :P

Vile are 1-0 up at Boro now, so laugh away.
Boro did have 1 shot on target, give him some time he'll soon get that stat down to 0.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2017, 05:08:58 PM
Apparently he will get them promoted lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2017, 06:41:09 PM
I wonder what the dress code was today
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on December 30, 2017, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2017, 06:41:09 PM
I wonder what the dress code was today
Middlesbrough's club shop Glyn!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smosher34 on January 04, 2018, 03:29:10 PM
Gould has gone to join pulis at boro. Need a goalkeeping coach .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brummyroader on January 04, 2018, 03:45:30 PM
Dave Kemp has come out of retirement to be assistant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 04, 2018, 04:47:35 PM
Quote from: smosher34 on January 04, 2018, 03:29:10 PM
Gould has gone to join pulis at boro. Need a goalkeeping coach .

Foster.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on January 04, 2018, 05:24:14 PM
Quote from: brummyroader on January 04, 2018, 03:45:30 PM
Dave Kemp has come out of retirement to be assistant.
Begs the question why retire while at the Albion, but come back now??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on January 04, 2018, 05:34:42 PM
Self engineered exit from the club by the dinosaur says the cynic in me
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on January 04, 2018, 05:42:38 PM
Quote from: albion59 on January 04, 2018, 05:24:14 PM
Begs the question why retire while at the Albion, but come back now??

A strange one. Apparently he wanted more home life in the USA. Swapping the Black Country for Teeside is hardly going to give him that. I wonder what's behind it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on January 04, 2018, 05:54:22 PM
Quote from: alex1 on January 04, 2018, 05:42:38 PM
A strange one. Apparently he wanted more home life in the USA. Swapping the Black Country for Teeside is hardly going to give him that. I wonder what's behind it.
And me! I'd love to know what went on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on January 04, 2018, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: alex1 on January 04, 2018, 05:42:38 PM
A strange one. Apparently he wanted more home life in the USA. Swapping the Black Country for Teeside is hardly going to give him that. I wonder what's behind it.
I can’t help but think it’s all to do with money. Good to see the 'old boys' club is still thriving.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 04, 2018, 06:07:26 PM
Gerry Francis on his way tooooooo, pulis probably got more money to spend than Pardew
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on January 04, 2018, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 04, 2018, 06:07:26 PM
Gerry Francis on his way tooooooo, pulis probably got more money to spend than Pardew
Let's hope he spends it on some of the trash he's left us with then
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 04, 2018, 08:16:40 PM
Got to be honest, not sorry to see Francis and Gould go, don't think Foster has improved one bit under Gould and not sure what Francis actually did. I do think things went downhill when Kemp retired though and Megson came in as number 2.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 05, 2018, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: albion59 on January 04, 2018, 05:24:14 PM
Begs the question why retire while at the Albion, but come back now??

It was reported that Kemp took some abuse from a supporter against Leicester last season.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-responded-disgruntled-west-12967832

While known to be thick skinned he knew 'they' weren't popular with large chunks of the support base.

Wouldn't surprise me if he thought 'naughty word it, too old for taking abuse and having the row' and decided to get his flip flops out full time.

Has some time off, recharges batteries, loses a bit of weight, him and the wife got on each others nerves, he got itchy feet, Tone turns up elsewhere and offers him some extra spends.

Hey presto.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 05, 2018, 12:05:59 PM
they wont get an easy ride up there either
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on January 05, 2018, 05:24:44 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on January 05, 2018, 11:47:06 AM
It was reported that Kemp took some abuse from a supporter against Leicester last season.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-responded-disgruntled-west-12967832

While known to be thick skinned he knew 'they' weren't popular with large chunks of the support base.

Wouldn't surprise me if he thought 'naughty word it, too old for taking abuse and having the row' and decided to get his flip flops out full time.

Has some time off, recharges batteries, loses a bit of weight, him and the wife got on each others nerves, he got itchy feet, Tone turns up elsewhere and offers him some extra spends.

Hey presto.
Cheers for that excellently put ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on January 07, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
According to the Birmingham Mail, Pulis is being linked with move for Villa defender Alan Hutton.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfers-aston-villa-defender-wanted-14123550

Now, if ever there was a good match, that must be it. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 13, 2018, 11:07:44 AM
Maybe my best memory of him will be saving £400 a month
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on January 13, 2018, 11:11:26 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 13, 2018, 11:07:44 AM
Maybe my best memory of him will be saving £400 a month

Mine will be when he made us look like a legit top 10 side....even if it was for half a season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on January 13, 2018, 11:31:41 AM
The above is why the club should have been brave and said goodbye and thank you at the end of the season.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 13, 2018, 11:32:10 AM
Quote from: WoysWunderful on January 13, 2018, 11:11:26 AM
Mine will be when he made us look like a legit top 10 side....even if it was for half a season.


Indeed without the squad being inflated by one of the leagues best strikers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WoysWunderful on January 13, 2018, 01:46:23 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on January 13, 2018, 11:32:10 AM

Indeed without the squad being inflated by one of the leagues best strikers.

Think we were so much better all over for that run under pulls then we ever were under clarke...we had a obscene amount of luck that season.

Maybe on a par with Roy when we finished 10th but we did strike gold with big rom.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on January 15, 2018, 11:49:44 AM
Did anyone see the Boro game at the weekend?

Conceded a penalty in injury time to lose 1-0 and that was the first shot on target in the game. Admittedly it looked like a dive but immediately preceding the dive was a game of pinball between Boro defenders in the box, sound familiar?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 15, 2018, 11:50:50 AM
Broke out in a sweat when I saw his name then........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 22, 2018, 12:55:37 PM
I would have thought the least he could have done is come back for some kickers
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Smethwickender93 on January 26, 2018, 04:12:12 PM
Christ, just saw TP on Sky Sports News, how I've not missed that cap and negativity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on January 28, 2018, 02:46:02 PM
I saw that Middlesborough beaten 1-0 after a goal in 90th minute v Brighton. I didn't see the game but there's something that speaks to me about poetic justice being done. Playing for a 0-0 and getting done in the last minute.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on January 28, 2018, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: Smethwickender93 on January 26, 2018, 04:12:12 PM
Christ, just saw TP on Sky Sports News, how I've not missed that cap and negativity.

I saw that, he said the lads worked really aard, but should have been more clinical

I thought it was a recording of one of his post match interviews when he was here
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 29, 2018, 02:12:53 PM
Quote from: baggie53 on January 28, 2018, 04:02:34 PM
I saw that, he said the lads worked really aard, but should have been more clinical

I thought it was a recording of one of his post match interviews when he was here

that's exactly what I thought too. "created plenty of chances but need to be more clinical in the final third"
ah well at least it's someone else's problem now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 29, 2018, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: alex1 on January 28, 2018, 02:46:02 PM
I saw that Middlesborough beaten 1-0 after a goal in 90th minute v Brighton. I didn't see the game but there's something that speaks to me about poetic justice being done. Playing for a 0-0 and getting done in the last minute.

Clearly didn't see anything of the game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2018, 03:46:48 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on January 29, 2018, 02:47:46 PM
Clearly didn't see anything of the game


bit like Wenger then. hows he going down with there supporters, i expect their season ticket sales to drop
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 29, 2018, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2018, 03:46:48 PM

bit like Wenger then. hows he going down with there supporters, i expect their season ticket sales to drop

Not sure the relevance of that to my point. Boro had by far the better chances and were unlucky to lose. Just another sad bit of Pulis bashing going on for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2018, 05:25:12 PM
Quote from: Scooby Doo on January 29, 2018, 04:23:47 PM
Not sure the relevance of that to my point. Boro had by far the better chances and were unlucky to lose. Just another sad bit of Pulis bashing going on for the sake of it.


Yes i will bash him untill he retires. he kills the love for some, others must have boring lifestyles.Lets hope this is his last gig so we dont have to hear his boring interviews anymore.
Thank god Alan is restoring some folks faith
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2018, 10:19:22 PM
Him and Williams are the ones to blame for our plight. I hope we stuff it up his team next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on February 12, 2018, 10:28:06 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2018, 10:19:22 PM
Him and Williams are the ones to blame for our plight. I hope we stuff it up his team next season.

Dont forget Pardew.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 17, 2018, 10:31:29 PM
Made me laugh when he said today Cardiff had 5 or 6 players over 6ft 3 so we were always going to be up against it, what a numpty
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on February 18, 2018, 11:51:45 AM
Give it a rest he as gone from our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 20, 2018, 10:25:47 PM
Boro will win the play offs. No doubt about it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on February 20, 2018, 10:28:13 PM
How many is that he as won with Boro.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on February 20, 2018, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on February 20, 2018, 10:28:13 PM
How many is that he as won with Boro.

5 W 5 L 1 D (4-4-1 in league play)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 20, 2018, 10:39:57 PM
Quote from: kc56wba on February 20, 2018, 10:28:13 PM
How many is that he as won with Boro.

As many as he has lost. I'm a Pulis fan but he's hardly pulled up trees there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 20, 2018, 10:41:43 PM
Quote from: vrabbit on February 20, 2018, 10:39:41 PM
5 W 5 L 1 D (4-4-1 in league play)

Poor record really considering the squad. Monk won 12 and lost 9.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: vrabbit on February 20, 2018, 10:50:41 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 20, 2018, 10:41:43 PM
Poor record really considering the squad. Monk won 12 and lost 9.

Monk got almost 53% of the points his team played for, Pulis comes in at 48% so far.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 20, 2018, 10:54:48 PM
Up to 8th with 13 games left.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 20, 2018, 11:19:51 PM
Quote from: vrabbit on February 20, 2018, 10:50:41 PM
Monk got almost 53% of the points his team played for, Pulis comes in at 48% so far.
so he's made no discernible difference to their ability to get points what so ever?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 20, 2018, 11:31:23 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 20, 2018, 10:54:48 PM
Up to 8th with 13 games left.

Thought you were all about points per game, Jacko

Monk - 41 points from 26 games
Pulis - 13 from 9 games

1.57 for Monk 1.44 for Pulis thus far...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2018, 12:23:45 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 20, 2018, 11:31:23 PM
Thought you were all about points per game, Jacko

Monk - 41 points from 26 games
Pulis - 13 from 9 games

1.57 for Monk 1.44 for Pulis thus far...


Indeed let's have another look after they win the play off Final. That'll be another 16 matches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 21, 2018, 08:40:18 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2018, 12:23:45 AM

Indeed let's have another look after they win the play off Final. That'll be another 16 matches.

They have to get into the play off places first! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 21, 2018, 08:43:03 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2018, 12:23:45 AM

Indeed let's have another look after they win the play off Final. That'll be another 16 matches.

If that’s at the expense of the Villa, I would gladly see it.

By rights though, if he carries on with his current record he should be given the boot by then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 21, 2018, 09:55:52 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on February 18, 2018, 11:51:45 AM
Give it a rest he as gone from our club.


with all due respect kev thats why there is a thread on him, say what we like kind of thing
the blokes seriously damaged my love for football, never ever had an issue before for 40 years
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 21, 2018, 09:56:39 AM
Its the first time last night a striker has scored during his period there
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 21, 2018, 10:11:23 AM
And the trouble is he hasn't gone from our club has he?
The stink of the last 12 months is all over us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on February 21, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
Interesting to see people judging Pulis based off his record at Boro, but for Pardew it's "well, it's not his side is it?"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 21, 2018, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 21, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
Interesting to see people judging Pulis based off his record at Boro, but for Pardew it's "well, it's not his side is it?"

fair point, well made.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 21, 2018, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 21, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
Interesting to see people judging Pulis based off his record at Boro, but for Pardew it's "well, it's not his side is it?"

Agreed. Swansea isn't the side of Carvalhal save for a couple of signings and he has won half of his games in charge. It is why I would gladly see Pardew leave right now...on the basis that the one man that I want is brought in. Will of course not name names as I wouldn't want to breach rules.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 21, 2018, 12:41:35 PM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on February 21, 2018, 12:32:37 PM
Agreed. Swansea isn't the side of Carvalhal save for a couple of signings and he has won half of his games in charge. It is why I would gladly see Pardew leave right now...on the basis that the one man that I want is brought in. Will of course not name names as I wouldn't want to breach rules.

you tease !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 21, 2018, 12:44:35 PM
Quote from: Albionic on February 21, 2018, 12:41:35 PM
you tease !

Can't just go giving it up now can I, I am a lady after all.

Also I got a 7 day ban for virtually nothing a few weeks back so got to tread that ever so delicate of lines.

So erm..Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 21, 2018, 12:46:03 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on February 21, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
Interesting to see people judging Pulis based off his record at Boro, but for Pardew it's "well, it's not his side is it?"

The thing is, you look at the side under Monk and look at the side under Pulis, there have been a number of changes. A lot of the players Monk bought in for big money last summer have been binned off, either on loan or permanent, while the less talented players such as Gestede have come in from the cold.

Same as our place, he didn't know how to use the more talented members, so he's binned them off or stuck them on the bench.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 21, 2018, 12:51:31 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on February 21, 2018, 12:46:03 PM
The thing is, you look at the side under Monk and look at the side under Pulis, there have been a number of changes. A lot of the players Monk bought in for big money last summer have been binned off, either on loan or permanent, while the less talented players such as Gestede have come in from the cold.

Same as our place, he didn't know how to use the more talented members, so he's binned them off or stuck them on the bench.

It did raise a wry smile with me that one of his first moves was to play Shotton (of the long throw) at right back and sell the highly rated attacking full back, Christie, in January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on April 12, 2018, 10:08:12 AM
Very much up and down so far despite such a big and talented squad up there.

In the balance whether they make the Play Offs at the moment but wouldn't mind them pipping Derby.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on April 12, 2018, 10:30:08 AM
Quote from: AlbionBest on April 12, 2018, 10:08:12 AM
Very much up and down so far despite such a big and talented squad up there.

In the balance whether they make the Play Offs at the moment but wouldn't mind them pipping Derby.

In an ideal world they make the play offs, eliminate the vile in the semi, and lose horribly at Wembley........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 12, 2018, 10:36:41 AM
Negative coaches should stay away from englands to flight. has his shelf life not ended up there yet >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on April 14, 2018, 11:03:32 PM
Its predictable, just as it was when he came to us. He has inherited a squad that should challenge for promotion, he has organised it, and it will. If and when he gets them promotion, he will then add a short term philosophy that sees aged, experienced British players playing a very rigid structure and the goalkeeper will learn to time waste. Pulis will try and add flair, at great cost to the club and fail to know how to use it. The media will love him, the fans will hate him and he will be sacked before his 'never been relegated' record can be broken.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 15, 2018, 03:46:44 PM
Boro up to 5th. Fully expect them to win the play offs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on April 15, 2018, 03:50:12 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 15, 2018, 03:46:44 PM
Boro up to 5th. Fully expect them to win the play offs.

Jacko I can see it happening as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on April 15, 2018, 03:58:38 PM
Who cares?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on April 15, 2018, 04:02:31 PM
Look at it this way. If Pulis goes up then Villa don’t.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 15, 2018, 05:03:35 PM
Sad he's still around in football,won't be long before their fans get rid either
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 15, 2018, 05:06:40 PM
Quote from: BB74 on April 15, 2018, 04:02:31 PM
Look at it this way. If Pulis goes up then Villa don’t.
I’d happily accept that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on April 16, 2018, 03:32:34 PM
Hope they go up as Pulis will take 6 points from us next season if we're in the same league.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 16, 2018, 12:17:41 AM
Oh yes he will get them up, laugh out loud
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 16, 2018, 07:02:35 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on May 16, 2018, 12:17:41 AM
Oh yes he will get them up, laugh out loud

The Boro fans have started to turn already.

Imagine spending 46 games getting to the play offs then having two shots on target over two legs...

Not quite like spanking the Wolves at the custard bowl in the first leg  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 16, 2018, 07:28:20 AM
just taking last nights game on it's own.

a must win game for Pulis and Boro = 0 shots on target
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 16, 2018, 08:56:22 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 16, 2018, 07:28:20 AM
just taking last nights game on it's own.

a must win game for Pulis and Boro = 0 shots on target
That's why Pulis will struggle in the Championship, you have to win a lot of games to genuinely compete, no good playing not to lose. Last night proved that his cowardly mindset is so deeply entrenched that, even when faced with a must win game, he cannot break the shackles.
If Boro had any sense they would get rid now, before his wretched tentacles take a proper stranglehold and wring every bit of self respect from the club. Hope they don't though and he gets them relegated! ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on May 16, 2018, 09:17:29 AM
Sigh , thats at least 4 points handed to him next season  :o :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 16, 2018, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on April 15, 2018, 03:46:44 PM
Boro up to 5th. Fully expect them to win the play offs.

Oops.

Captain Coward's team in a must win game didn't even bother to trouble the opposite keeper.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 16, 2018, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: Dexy on May 16, 2018, 09:17:29 AM
Sigh , thats at least 4 points handed to him next season  :o :)
He'll be happy with 2.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 16, 2018, 10:15:06 AM
Quote from: Jordie1471 on May 16, 2018, 10:05:55 AM
Ye but he will keep them up next season.

And isn't staying up the point of football?  :P

Only if the lads work aaaard.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bilston Dan on May 16, 2018, 11:21:09 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 16, 2018, 07:02:35 AM
The Boro fans have started to turn already.

Imagine spending 46 games getting to the play offs then having two shots on target over two legs...

Not quite like spanking the Wolves at the custard bowl in the first leg  ;D

If I was a Boro fan I'd be furious! This is what we were subject to. It just shows how inept he is as a manager...especially when it comes to chasing games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 16, 2018, 11:25:53 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on May 16, 2018, 07:02:35 AM
The Boro fans have started to turn already.

Imagine spending 46 games getting to the play offs then having two shots on target over two legs...

Not quite like spanking the Wolves at the custard bowl in the first leg  ;D

Their fans are already sounding like ours did. Some want him gone but some are saying give him time, it'll be different when he gets his own team in judge him then....

Leopards and spots spring to mind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 16, 2018, 11:34:08 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 16, 2018, 11:25:53 AM
Their fans are already sounding like ours did. Some want him gone but some are saying give him time, it'll be different when he gets his own team in judge him then....

Leopards and spots spring to mind.

Those in the former category are much like Fritzl and are absolutely spot on  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 16, 2018, 11:56:27 AM
The one good thing about Villa going through is that everyone can now see just what a dinosaur Tony Pulis is. They were very very poor last night.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 16, 2018, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 16, 2018, 11:25:53 AM
Their fans are already sounding like ours did. Some want him gone but some are saying give him time, it'll be different when he gets his own team in judge him then....

Leopards and spots spring to mind.

I heard that through how many transfer windows and how many signings, and nothing did. Some people never learn.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 18, 2018, 11:05:24 AM
oh i see some of his supporters have gone a tad quite, since before tuesdays game :-*. first time i wanted the seals to win. Fulham will easily beat them in the final
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on May 18, 2018, 11:23:37 AM
Not really, it's a fair criticism of Pulis that his football isn't inspiring.  Nobody has ever said otherwise.  In the same respect when Pulis was doing poorly there were posts, but it went very quiet when he managed to get Boro to the play offs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on June 08, 2018, 05:00:14 PM
I'm not sure about anyone else, but I feel I'm almost over the worst of PTPD, (Post Traumatic Pulisball Disorder). Hopefully, there will be no lasting scars, physical or mental  :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on June 08, 2018, 06:19:44 PM
Tell him to stay away from our club,never sell anyone to him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on June 09, 2018, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on June 08, 2018, 06:19:44 PM
Tell him to stay away from our club,never sell anyone to him.
i would like to think none of our staff would want to go anywhere near the dinosaur again,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on June 09, 2018, 06:59:51 PM
I'd like to know why we're still talking about him  :o :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on June 10, 2018, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: baggie53 on June 09, 2018, 06:59:51 PM
I'd like to know why we're still talking about him  :o :o

ask yourself that question  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 10, 2018, 08:58:54 PM
We're still talking about him because it's a kind of therapy.

I am currently lying on a couch, still traumatised by it all.

IN BIG DAVE WE TRUST.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on June 11, 2018, 09:32:44 AM
It's as if he's still here sometimes.

Whenever we're linked with a player I immediately check his height to see if there's any substance to the rumour  ;D .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 11, 2018, 11:11:30 AM
We will be talking about him for many years yet . He will always have a place in the clubs history for being our worst coach ever! Boring negative football and costing us our decent run in the premier league
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on June 11, 2018, 11:21:43 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on June 11, 2018, 11:11:30 AM
We will be talking about him for many years yet . He will always have a place in the clubs history for being our worst coach ever! Boring negative football and costing us our decent run in the premier league

hahahahaha, good one.  I think you'll find Pardew holds that record.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2018, 12:12:02 PM
whats his shelf life this season then
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on July 31, 2018, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on June 11, 2018, 09:32:44 AM
It's as if he's still here sometimes.

Whenever we're linked with a player I immediately check his height to see if there's any substance to the rumour  ;D .
I know, imagine Pulis being linked with that tiny RB? I heard you couldn't sell the pies, whilst he was here, unless you were 6'2!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba1993dave on July 31, 2018, 12:26:45 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2018, 12:12:02 PM
whats his shelf life this season then

Got this funny feeling he will end up at Cardiff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2018, 12:28:30 PM
Quote from: wba1993dave on July 31, 2018, 12:26:45 PM
Got this funny feeling he will end up at Cardiff.


or southampton maybe. god help whoever wherever
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on July 31, 2018, 08:04:05 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on June 11, 2018, 11:21:43 AM
hahahahaha, good one.  I think you'll find Pardew holds that record.
I blame Pulis for everything that went on at the Albion! If he had done his job properly Pardew would never have been here I hate Pulis with a passion for destroying our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 31, 2018, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: albion59 on July 31, 2018, 08:04:05 PM
I blame Pulis for everything that went on at the Albion! If he had done his job properly Pardew would never have been here I hate Pulis with a passion for destroying our club.

Pulis was a part of the problem not the sole cause of it.

Failures before the came caused us to need someone like him to come in, recruitment areas played part of the blame before, during and after the reign of Pulis, yes some were his signings, others clearly not. Whether we like ir or not he did his job properly, he was brought in by Peace to keep us in the Prem, from when he came to the day he left we were still in the Prem (yes we would probably have still gone down, none of us can say for certain either way) and he should have gone at the end of the previous season at least if not sooner.

Peace, Lai, Jenkins, recruitment, players, coaches, Pulis, Pardew the lot all are part of the blame at this club, not one is totally to blame but not one blameless either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2018, 10:43:09 PM
Quote from: albion59 on July 31, 2018, 08:04:05 PM
I blame Pulis for everything that went on at the Albion! If he had done his job properly Pardew would never have been here I hate Pulis with a passion for destroying our club.


Totally agree Keith
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on July 31, 2018, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2018, 10:43:09 PM

Totally agree Keith

Much as I detest Pulis and all he stands for, he was brought in for a reason and we should not forget the mess which Irvine left behind him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on July 31, 2018, 10:52:23 PM
I think people forget we had another manger after Pulis that was just as bad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2018, 10:59:25 PM
I saw one game under pardew , the Southampton cup, Regis tribute game, why because Pulis killed it for me not pardew
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on July 31, 2018, 11:05:22 PM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2018, 10:59:25 PM
I saw one game under pardew , the Southampton cup, Regis tribute game, why because Pulis killed it for me not pardew
Pardew was in charge not Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AidantheBaggies on August 01, 2018, 09:16:27 AM
Give me Pulis any day over the fraud Pardew!!!
Pulis did a decent enough job for us but should have left last summer, it went on too long in the end.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2018, 09:20:30 AM
Quote from: kc56wba on July 31, 2018, 11:05:22 PM
Pardew was in charge not Pulis.


no pulis killed my love of football not pardew, pardew edges it for me actually trying and i say trying to win a game of football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on August 23, 2018, 06:24:30 PM
"Tony Pulis claims West Brom should have left Gary Megson in charge last season instead of appointing Alan Pardew"

Wouldn't argue with him on that one, considering his actual successor and the outcome

Source:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6091287/Pulis-claims-West-Brom-left-Megson-charge-season-instead-appointing-Pardew.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on August 23, 2018, 06:43:28 PM
No one mentioned our old mate yet ?   ;D

Will really be fascinating to see how we do against him tomorrow (and he against us)!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on August 24, 2018, 01:22:00 PM
I see today that he's admitted that " he ran out of gas" at west brim.
If he new that why didn't he resign?
They don't though do they?
Did he get a pay off from us?
If so ask for it back.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 18, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
Great chance to make a semi-final, ends up losing at home to League One opposition.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on December 18, 2018, 09:50:18 PM
Definitely on borrowed time..the Boro message boards are vitriolic compared to how ours were ..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on December 18, 2018, 09:50:26 PM
rubbish team rubbish manager. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on December 18, 2018, 10:21:03 PM
It takes a bit of time but eventually every team he inherits and gets hold of get pulised,Boros biggest mistake was in sacking Monk
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 18, 2018, 10:22:53 PM
Magnificent
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 18, 2018, 10:23:14 PM
"Think I’m officially Pulis out. Woeful. Sick of watching awful football week in, week out. I just want a team that turns up, and wants to win the game of football."

Killing the love for the club of another set of fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on December 19, 2018, 02:07:28 AM
I'm sure I'm not the only one who had grief from boro fans when we lost to them. I'm sat here smiling at their comments. One person on twitter said he wishes he could find the wba fan he argued with because now he'd like to apologise.  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 19, 2018, 03:32:38 AM
Wish he would go ruin somebody like villa or West Ham or even derby.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on December 19, 2018, 06:40:54 AM
Quote from: gavinrussell on December 18, 2018, 09:50:18 PM
Definitely on borrowed time..the Boro message boards are vitriolic compared to how ours were ..

Sad part is he gets to collect several million in compensation before he flashes his 'never been relegated' CV to some other desperate club.
Bit of a Ground Hog day going on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mank baggie on December 19, 2018, 06:56:44 AM
Pulis and boro suit each other , hope they go down
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 19, 2018, 07:55:37 AM
They seem to be having a good pop at the chairman Gibson too, but they do now seem to be understanding what Pulis brings to the club...... LOL!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 19, 2018, 10:10:33 AM
I called it a few years ago, much as some disagreed with me.

He's done as a manager, he is outdated and cannot relate to modern footballers. There is only so much of running up hills and being berated players can take nowadays. You look at the likes of Guardiola, Poch, Klopp, the man management from them is absolutely superb. He just does not have that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on December 19, 2018, 10:45:32 AM
He's past his sell-by date and out-of-touch with modern football. He alienates flair players and distrusts foreign players, and his teams have no balance, pace or unpredictability. The negative stereotype of Pulisball doesn't actually do justice to how bad it is, the Boro fans are starting to realise that now. It isn't just long balls and scoring from corners, it's an overly-defensive and cowardly mindset that drains the life out of the club. Worst of all, it isn't even effective, we couldn't buy a win last season. Boro will struggle to make the play offs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 19, 2018, 10:47:10 AM
I still havent found my football mojo yet since your departure and i get to save £400 a month. cheers Tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on December 19, 2018, 11:24:07 AM
Quote from: gavinrussell on December 18, 2018, 09:50:18 PM
Definitely on borrowed time..the Boro message boards are vitriolic compared to how ours were ..

Makes great reading :D

https://fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 19, 2018, 12:22:23 PM
Quote from: gerry m on December 19, 2018, 11:24:07 AM
Makes great reading :D

https://fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/
Seems to me they want what we have so how come so many of us are not happy?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on December 19, 2018, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: gerry m on December 19, 2018, 11:24:07 AM
Makes great reading :D

https://fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/
They've still got Brexit threads on there  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 19, 2018, 01:27:43 PM
Quote from: wba_1996 on December 19, 2018, 10:45:32 AM
He's past his sell-by date and out-of-touch with modern football. He alienates flair players and distrusts foreign players, and his teams have no balance, pace or unpredictability. The negative stereotype of Pulisball doesn't actually do justice to how bad it is, the Boro fans are starting to realise that now. It isn't just long balls and scoring from corners, it's an overly-defensive and cowardly mindset that drains the life out of the club. Worst of all, it isn't even effective, we couldn't buy a win last season. Boro will struggle to make the play offs.

Amen.

I can forgive many things from an Albion team, but I can't forgive going out and not even trying to win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 19, 2018, 02:30:14 PM
...but he will change his style once he's had 15 transfer windows, then he will play like the Palace side he had for 6 months. Never been relegated and he is a safe pair of hands.

So often we saw this sort of comment on this forum. Was always a load of nonsense and I still think it will take a few years to reconstruct the club following the free rein we gave him. No doubt his never relegated tag is because he has been sacked before its ever got to that. It's a ludicrous stat when you think about it.

He should never be allowed near a football club again. Can't stand the guy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on December 19, 2018, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: frazzle on December 19, 2018, 02:30:14 PM
...but he will change his style once he's had 15 transfer windows, then he will play like the Palace side he had for 6 months. Never been relegated and he is a safe pair of hands.

So often we saw this sort of comment on this forum. Was always a load of nonsense and I still think it will take a few years to reconstruct the club following the free rein we gave him. No doubt his never relegated tag is because he has been sacked before its ever got to that. It's a ludicrous stat when you think about it.

He should never be allowed near a football club again. Can't stand the guy.

He's in a long line of British Managers I feel the same about.
The likes of Fat Sam, Pardew, Hughes, Lambert, Cotterill, Moyes etc all have limited shelf lives and are no use to man nor beast in a progressive football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on December 19, 2018, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: tuamigos on December 19, 2018, 02:59:51 PM
He's in a long line of British Managers I feel the same about.
The likes of Fat Sam, Pardew, Hughes, Lambert, Cotterill, Moyes etc all have limited shelf lives and are no use to man nor beast in a progressive football club.

Agreed but he is by far the worst of them all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on December 19, 2018, 05:24:18 PM
Quote from: gavinrussell on December 18, 2018, 09:50:18 PM
Definitely on borrowed time..the Boro message boards are vitriolic compared to how ours were ..

I've just had a look, makes me feel happy that we are no longer having to endure his football.

Darren has some things to learn and not everything this season has been great but in comparison to what the Boro fans are now coming to realise, its brilliant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on December 19, 2018, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: frazzle on December 19, 2018, 02:30:14 PM
...but he will change his style once he's had 15 transfer windows, then he will play like the Palace side he had for 6 months. Never been relegated and he is a safe pair of hands.

So often we saw this sort of comment on this forum. Was always a load of nonsense and I still think it will take a few years to reconstruct the club following the free rein we gave him. No doubt his never relegated tag is because he has been sacked before its ever got to that. It's a ludicrous stat when you think about it.

He should never be allowed near a football club again. Can't stand the guy.

The whole good style at Palace was a complete myth anyway, they were bottom of the league for just about every stat indicating any kind of attacking threat.

The difference was he left after 6 months and they had an amazing run of results in that time. That's the thing with Pulis, all will be forgiven with good results and people are happy to sit through the football, even convince themselves its not that bad when its getting results.

The issue is the second bad form emerges there's absolutely no breathing space from the fans.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: barnestormer on December 19, 2018, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: Dan on December 19, 2018, 06:19:30 PM
The whole good style at Palace was a complete myth anyway, they were bottom of the league for just about every stat indicating any kind of attacking threat.

The difference was he left after 6 months and they had an amazing run of results in that time. That's the thing with Pulis, all will be forgiven with good results and people are happy to sit through the football, even convince themselves its not that bad when its getting results.

The issue is the second bad form emerges there's absolutely no breathing space from the fans.
His palace stint is a mix of myth and luck.he inherited a side that had a decent amount of pace and flair players and just needed a bit of confidence. He was there for a relatively short time so hadn't the time to ruin what was a decent squad with his usual influx of slow plodding past it British players
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggies_24 on December 20, 2018, 05:56:06 AM
I think it’s becoming extremely obvious that modern football has passed managers like Mourinho, Allardyce & Pulis by. If Boro slip out of the top 6 after the festive period I don’t think he’l last. No-one should have to endure the tripe he serves up on a weekly basis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on December 20, 2018, 07:23:27 AM
His football is poor but a lot of the personal abuse aimed at him online is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 20, 2018, 09:15:39 AM
The Boro fans have changed their tune.  While they were top 2 everything was fine.  It's the same with most managers these days, if the results slip then people will target managers and\or players.  And if you're a manager like Pulis it will be his style they'll go for.  I remember on here people moaning their head off because Pulis "praised" the opposition team in the press conferences and he shouted too loud on the touchline.  Stuff that is completely normal, and that Moore does, but nobody has that complaint now.  When DM's results have slipped a bit then people target his rawness, or his substitutions etc.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on December 20, 2018, 09:31:58 AM
I would never look to get personal when speaking of a manager, its not needed.

I have no sympathy for Boro, they were happy when they got him in, happy when they were top 2 and were going to 'walk the league', but most of all I have no sympathy for them as a number of them chose to gloat when they beat us, they mocked how we played and basically thought they were better than us.

How the tables have turned.

If only other football club owners can now see the way Stoke, WBA and now Boro fans speak about him and his football.

Hopefully this will be his last job for a while.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 20, 2018, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 20, 2018, 09:15:39 AM
The Boro fans have changed their tune.  While they were top 2 everything was fine.  It's the same with most managers these days, if the results slip then people will target managers and\or players.  And if you're a manager like Pulis it will be his style they'll go for.  I remember on here people moaning their head off because Pulis "praised" the opposition team in the press conferences and he shouted too loud on the touchline.  Stuff that is completely normal, and that Moore does, but nobody has that complaint now.  When DM's results have slipped a bit then people target his rawness, or his substitutions etc.

Some have, but to be fair a lot of them wanted Pulis out after the no show in the play offs. They are having the same debates that we had (and Stoke had) pragmatic football Vs entertaining football.

Pulis isn't noted for his promotions (2 in 26 years of management) but he is noted for avoiding relegation and that's what his style of football is best designed for...grinding out point by point to stay in a division not trying to win games to get as many points as possible to challenge for a title/promotion. Strange that Middlesboro went for him really since I assume that promotion would have been their aim.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 20, 2018, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 20, 2018, 09:15:39 AM
The Boro fans have changed their tune.  While they were top 2 everything was fine.  It's the same with most managers these days, if the results slip then people will target managers and\or players.  And if you're a manager like Pulis it will be his style they'll go for.  I remember on here people moaning their head off because Pulis "praised" the opposition team in the press conferences and he shouted too loud on the touchline.  Stuff that is completely normal, and that Moore does, but nobody has that complaint now.  When DM's results have slipped a bit then people target his rawness, or his substitutions etc.

I've got to be honest i've not noticed Moore shouting on the touchline, he seems to whistle randomly but then nothing follows it most of the time, I do remember Megson getting slated for whistling at players though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on December 20, 2018, 07:02:50 PM
Don't forget that Pulis only works for the owner, not the fans,he doesn't care a fig for them.
He's only interested in the money because he knows if he wins he gets bonuses and if he loses he gets paid,life's a  bitch but not for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 20, 2018, 07:21:34 PM
Quote from: liverbaggie on December 20, 2018, 07:02:50 PM
Don't forget that Pulis only works for the owner, not the fans,he doesn't care a fig for them.
He's only interested in the money because he knows if he wins he gets bonuses and if he loses he gets paid,life's a  bitch but not for him.

Could apply that to a number of managers, the only job where failure is handsomely rewarded
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on December 21, 2018, 12:24:34 AM
Thought I'd just Google 'Pulisbal' for the hell of it, and this is what came up.
Seems to have some meaning in Hindi.

https://www.patrika.com/tags/pulis-bal/?story_type=news

I was looking for any typical characteristics like men in peaked caps with specs and trainers, but there is a photo of 3 sturdy looking men in berets standing in a row shortly to be joined by another to make up a back 4.  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 21, 2018, 07:53:46 AM
It is interesting that this time last year there was much comment about the generation of rather dull unimaginative British managers clogging up the lower half of the Premier League and upper echelons of the Championship.

Bruce, Allardyce, Moyes, Pardew, Pulis, Hodgson, Lambert and Warnock,were all in employment all weaving their special kind of magic that makes football such a joy to watch. The first 4 are no longer employed Lambert has dropped down to Ipswich to get back into the game. Pulis seems to be hanging on at 'Boro. Warnock and Hodgson are both battling relegation and might not survive the season although that's not to say they won't be replaced by another old school British Manager were they fired.

It does appear that the game has moved on. Fans don't want reductive safety first football and just clinging on to a Premier place or grinding their way into "contention" for a play-off place in the Championship is not a sufficient level of success to warrant it.

As an aside I would state that I have always regard Roy Hodgson as a cut above the rest as a coach he gets lumped in here purely because of the generation that he is from.


   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pie on December 21, 2018, 08:42:30 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 21, 2018, 07:53:46 AM
It is interesting that this time last year there was much comment about the generation of rather dull unimaginative British managers clogging up the lower half of the Premier League and upper echelons of the Championship.

Bruce, Allardyce, Moyes, Pardew, Pulis, Hodgson, Lambert and Warnock,were all in employment all weaving their special kind of magic that makes football such a joy to watch. The first 4 are no longer employed Lambert has dropped down to Ipswich to get back into the game. Pulis seems to be hanging on at 'Boro. Warnock and Hodgson are both battling relegation and might not survive the season although that's not to say they won't be replaced by another old school British Manager were they fired.

It does appear that the game has moved on. Fans don't want reductive safety first football and just clinging on to a Premier place or grinding their way into "contention" for a play-off place in the Championship is not a sufficient level of success to warrant it.

As an aside I would state that I have always regard Roy Hodgson as a cut above the rest as a coach he gets lumped in here purely because of the generation that he is from.

 

Yes I would leave Hodgson out of that list too, his football was good to watch when he was here.

He also broadened his horizons and managed in Europe and internationally.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 21, 2018, 09:28:02 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 21, 2018, 07:53:46 AM
It is interesting that this time last year there was much comment about the generation of rather dull unimaginative British managers clogging up the lower half of the Premier League and upper echelons of the Championship.

Bruce, Allardyce, Moyes, Pardew, Pulis, Hodgson, Lambert and Warnock,were all in employment all weaving their special kind of magic that makes football such a joy to watch. The first 4 are no longer employed Lambert has dropped down to Ipswich to get back into the game. Pulis seems to be hanging on at 'Boro. Warnock and Hodgson are both battling relegation and might not survive the season although that's not to say they won't be replaced by another old school British Manager were they fired.

It does appear that the game has moved on. Fans don't want reductive safety first football and just clinging on to a Premier place or grinding their way into "contention" for a play-off place in the Championship is not a sufficient level of success to warrant it.

As an aside I would state that I have always regard Roy Hodgson as a cut above the rest as a coach he gets lumped in here purely because of the generation that he is from.


Think you're right about Hodgson, I'd add Hughes to that list too, he seems to have turned into a safety first/risk averse kind of manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 21, 2018, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on December 21, 2018, 09:28:02 AM
Think you're right about Hodgson, I'd add Hughes to that list too, he seems to have turned into a safety first/risk averse kind of manager.
Seems to me though that Moore is criticised, in certain quarters, for not being like them. No clean sheets, defenders over-playing and exposed etc.
Surely, if we want to see the back of these dinosaurs, we have to show faith in the new breed and allow them time to grow. If we don't, then we will just inevitably turn to one of these guys, for a quick fix, and end up 10 steps back.
Moore and Jones obviously have a vision and, so far, have worked wonders to turn us around but patience is still required as it is very much a work in progress.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 21, 2018, 10:48:43 AM
Quote from: seteefeet on December 21, 2018, 10:39:22 AM
Seems to me though that Moore is criticised, in certain quarters, for not being like them. No clean sheets, defenders over-playing and exposed etc.
Surely, if we want to see the back of these dinosaurs, we have to show faith in the new breed and allow them time to grow. If we don't, then we will just inevitably turn to one of these guys, for a quick fix, and end up 10 steps back.
Moore and Jones obviously have a vision and, so far, have worked wonders to turn us around but patience is still required as it is very much a work in progress.

I think if we fail to go up this season the Moore will grow as a manager and the chance to do it with us will be higher, expectation at the moment is massive and in some cases too massive as some don't realise the poor squad we have. Yes the starting side has maybe 8/9 that are top quality especially for this league but it has gaps that need filling especially at right back and centre midfield but the bench is not strong enough and a major injury list or suspensions will show that. If we go up then major investment is needed but it won't come and Moore will be out by Christmas.

If we don't go up but are not far away then it gives a bit of time to clear some of the squad and try to bring some youth in especially in the middle ( which we need in January anyhow) and start again, expectation may not be as high allowing the time to get things right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 21, 2018, 11:30:54 AM
Quote from: alex1 on December 21, 2018, 12:24:34 AM
Thought I'd just Google 'Pulisbal' for the hell of it, and this is what came up.
Seems to have some meaning in Hindi.

https://www.patrika.com/tags/pulis-bal/?story_type=news

I was looking for any typical characteristics like men in peaked caps with specs and trainers, but there is a photo of 3 sturdy looking men in berets standing in a row shortly to be joined by another to make up a back 4.  :)

You should see some of the things I find online  :-X ............ what a time to be alive  :P .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 21, 2018, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on December 21, 2018, 09:28:02 AM
Think you're right about Hodgson, I'd add Hughes to that list too, he seems to have turned into a safety first/risk averse kind of manager.

Certainly missed Hughes from the original post and I might have thrown Martin O'Neil into the mix as well. It hasn't been a good 12 months for British Managers of a certain age/outlook.

Some might argue that these managers only ever get to manage the also rans in the Premier League which is fair comment but the game has left them behind and despite their many years of experience none are being touted for the Man United job.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on December 22, 2018, 02:54:20 PM
In the Cup tie, apparently he played one up front at home to number 15th in League 1... :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on December 22, 2018, 03:49:31 PM
Quote from: alex1 on December 22, 2018, 02:54:20 PM
In the Cup tie, apparently he played one up front at home to number 15th in League 1... :(

That's quite adventurous for the capped one
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba_1996 on December 22, 2018, 03:54:24 PM
Look at the team he's put out today... 5 centre backs, 4 centre mids and Assombalonga, away to Reading. When his team is struggling he just gets more and more defensive. Complete parody of himself at this point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on December 22, 2018, 03:59:57 PM
There is only one way to describe him - COWARD!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 22, 2018, 05:17:12 PM
Won didn't they?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 22, 2018, 05:24:05 PM
Quote from: wba_1996 on December 22, 2018, 03:54:24 PM
Look at the team he's put out today... 5 centre backs, 4 centre mids and Assombalonga, away to Reading. When his team is struggling he just gets more and more defensive. Complete parody of himself at this point.
Isn't that what he does though?  Goes ultra defensive to make sure you stop a run of defeats, even if it's only by scraping a draw or a narrow win.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 27, 2018, 07:53:58 PM
Boro fans have turned now. Took them a lot less time than the majority of our lot did.

I'd like to think that English fans are starting to see through the whole lot of these dinosaur managers, and they'll find it harder and harder to get jobs. Who knows, we might see a new generation inspired by Eddie Howe and Gareth Southgate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2018, 08:27:26 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on December 27, 2018, 07:53:58 PM
Boro fans have turned now. Took them a lot less time than the majority of our lot did.

I'd like to think that English fans are starting to see through the whole lot of these dinosaur managers, and they'll find it harder and harder to get jobs. Who knows, we might see a new generation inspired by Eddie Howe and Gareth Southgate.

I think Boro fans have turned quicker than here as when he came to us we needed someone to sort the mess out left behind by the likes of Irvine whereas Boro were around the position they are now when Monk left and wanted someone to come in and get them closer to automatic promotio, he's gone to Blues exceeding expectation and Boro are no better off.

Pulis is a man who will always get a job at a team wanting to avoid the drop, you can't blame the managers, you blame the clubs that give them the jobs and constantly reward them handsomely for failure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbawill on December 29, 2018, 01:40:56 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46693056

Sums him up for me, that. In that entire article, all he does is blame the players, saying they're not giving enough effort or dropping too deep. At no point does he consider that he might have his fair share of the blame. His head is so far up his own backside it's untrue. Glad we're shot of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 29, 2018, 09:27:28 AM
Quote from: wbawill on December 29, 2018, 01:40:56 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46693056

Sums him up for me, that. In that entire article, all he does is blame the players, saying they're not giving enough effort or dropping too deep. At no point does he consider that he might have his fair share of the blame. His head is so far up his own backside it's untrue. Glad we're shot of him.

Never changes does he? In summary Sheffield Wednesday beat a Pulis team by giving them the ball and letting it's lack of movement creativity and an unwillingness to take risks do the rest. Any coach that says we had x number of crosses and didn't score should be sacked on the spot. a) Crosses from open play against a set defence seldom work b) If crosses into the box aren't working try something different.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 10, 2019, 11:00:13 AM
Meet 'Red card' Roy McDonough: "I never set out to hurt anyone - except Tony Pulis"

Sounds like Tone upset someone, no surely not! But a good story and bought a smile to my face.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/01/10/meet-red-card-roy-mcdonough-never-set-hurt-anyone-except-tony/

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 10, 2019, 11:11:35 AM
thin ice again
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 10, 2019, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on January 10, 2019, 11:00:13 AM
Meet 'Red card' Roy McDonough: "I never set out to hurt anyone - except Tony Pulis"

Sounds like Tone upset someone, no surely not! But a good story and bought a smile to my face.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/01/10/meet-red-card-roy-mcdonough-never-set-hurt-anyone-except-tony/

I just saw this and said to my mates "I don't know who Roy McDonough is, but he sounds like my kind of bloke"  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 10, 2019, 01:04:13 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on January 10, 2019, 12:56:21 PM
I just saw this and said to my mates "I don't know who Roy McDonough is, but he sounds like my kind of bloke"  ;D

get Roy on the pitch at half time during our game with Middlesbrough
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 10, 2019, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 10, 2019, 01:04:13 PM
get Roy on the pitch at half time during our game with Middlesbrough

I think reading that all you need to do is put him in the dug out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on February 25, 2019, 07:34:31 PM
EXCLUSIVE: Middlesbrough have Pulis replacement lined up

From Team Talk and probably not as sensational as the headlinewould have you believe

Source: https://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive-middlesbrough-have-pulis-replacement-lined-up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on April 24, 2019, 09:57:46 AM
Dont know if ex managers are aloud but worth a look any way. ;) :D

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/picture-guaranteed-make-west-brom-16170959
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 24, 2019, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: geoff on April 24, 2019, 09:57:46 AM
Dont know if ex managers are aloud but worth a look any way. ;) :D

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/picture-guaranteed-make-west-brom-16170959

I didn't like the bloke, but I never went that far!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BalisPen on April 27, 2019, 08:40:43 PM
I just hope he doesn't make the play offs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on May 13, 2019, 02:42:41 PM
UH OOOOO

Pulis expected to leave Middlesbrough this week

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-poised-leave-middlesbrough-16266438 (https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-poised-leave-middlesbrough-16266438)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 13, 2019, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on May 13, 2019, 02:42:41 PM
UH OOOOO

Pulis expected to leave Middlesbrough this week

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-poised-leave-middlesbrough-16266438 (https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-poised-leave-middlesbrough-16266438)

At least the Boro were not stupid enough to given him a long contract that they would have to pay up should they wish to show him the door......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on May 13, 2019, 03:24:11 PM
Quote from: baggiejohn on May 13, 2019, 02:42:41 PM
UH OOOOO

Pulis expected to leave Middlesbrough this week

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-poised-leave-middlesbrough-16266438 (https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-poised-leave-middlesbrough-16266438)


Their board have more sense than ours. Jelaous.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on May 13, 2019, 04:19:18 PM
If we go up, I wouldn't put it beyond Jenkins stupidity to have him top of the list.
I'm sure Dowling would intervene though, that is if he actually existed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 13, 2019, 09:14:18 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on May 13, 2019, 04:19:18 PM
If we go up, I wouldn't put it beyond Jenkins stupidity to have him top of the list.
I'm sure Dowling would intervene though, that is if he actually existed.
Funny you should say that
I actually think there is more than a fair chance
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on May 13, 2019, 10:38:28 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on May 13, 2019, 04:19:18 PM
If we go up, I wouldn't put it beyond Jenkins stupidity to have him top of the list.
I'm sure Dowling would intervene though, that is if he actually existed.

That's not even funny.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KN22 on May 13, 2019, 10:48:59 PM
Absolutely no chance.... is there?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Andio on May 13, 2019, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: KN22 on May 13, 2019, 10:48:59 PM
Absolutely no chance.... is there?

Put it this way, if he comes back to the Shrine, my season ticket for next season will also be going back there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on May 17, 2019, 09:42:17 AM
Pulis has left Borough, contract not extended
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 17, 2019, 09:57:31 AM
Can see him at Brighton, much nearer his home in Dorset for one thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on May 17, 2019, 10:26:06 AM
Quote from: Hull Baggie on May 17, 2019, 09:57:31 AM
Can see him at Brighton, much nearer his home in Dorset for one thing.
No chance, Dan Ashworth has more brains than to appoint Pulis in today's football world. They are after Potter which says a lot more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: divinewind on May 17, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Someone will take him. They keep employing these failures time after time just as we will appoint another failure in Hughton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on May 17, 2019, 02:06:02 PM
To quote the man himself

“I’m still fit enough and young enough to get out there and keep working. There is plenty of petrol still left in the tank and I’m already looking forward to the next challenge,” he told Telegraph Sport.

Why? What for? You are a plague I wouldn't even wish on the Villa just do the world a favour and retire

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on May 17, 2019, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on May 17, 2019, 09:42:17 AM
Pulis has left Borough, contract not extended

If only we had done the same, we would be a bit richer......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on May 17, 2019, 02:21:00 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 17, 2019, 02:06:02 PM
To quote the man himself

“I’m still fit enough and young enough to get out there and keep working. There is plenty of petrol still left in the tank and I’m already looking forward to the next challenge,” he told Telegraph Sport.

Why? What for? You are a plague I wouldn't even wish on the Villa just do the world a favour and retire

Personally, I think they deserve each other and it would be a "match made in hell!"  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on May 17, 2019, 02:33:43 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 17, 2019, 02:06:02 PM
To quote the man himself

“I’m still fit enough and young enough to get out there and keep working. There is plenty of petrol still left in the tank and I’m already looking forward to the next challenge,” he told Telegraph Sport.

Why? What for? You are a plague I wouldn't even wish on the Villa just do the world a favour and retire

Stand in front of a mirror and try saying that with a straight face  ;D  ;) .

I'd wish all kinds of plagues and pestilence on 'em.

SOTV  8) .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BalisPen on May 17, 2019, 06:35:29 PM
Quote from: Standaman on May 17, 2019, 02:06:02 PM
To quote the man himself

“I’m still fit enough and young enough to get out there and keep working. There is plenty of petrol still left in the tank and I’m already looking forward to the next challenge,” he told Telegraph Sport.

Why? What for? You are a plague I wouldn't even wish on the Villa just do the world a favour and retire

You have to work as you owe Palace about £5m.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on May 17, 2019, 07:20:03 PM
Quote from: BalisPen on May 17, 2019, 06:35:29 PM
You have to work as you owe Palace about £5m.

I tohught we paid that for him with a new contract when his old one had expired after a disastrous run of results? Then we paid him off shortly after another run of disastrous results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BalisPen on May 17, 2019, 07:47:12 PM
Quote from: gazberg on May 17, 2019, 07:20:03 PM
I tohught we paid that for him with a new contract when his old one had expired after a disastrous run of results? Then we paid him off shortly after another run of disastrous results.

Assuming he pays tax then I don't think he'll have paid the whole amount back yeah, which was reported in some quarters to be as high as £7m with legal fees (his own and because he lost those of palace's too).

Our pay off was maybe £2m and his signing on bonus at boro maybe a £1m. He would certainly have been hoping he secured his promotion bonus.

I think his fuel bills must be in the thousands as he drove from us to Bournemouth everyday, but I don't know if he did the same at boro.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on May 17, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
Good old WBA board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on May 17, 2019, 09:27:00 PM
Karma

In years to come we will look back at his time here as coinciding with a financial and developmental low point in our history...awful manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KN22 on May 17, 2019, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: wimbledon baggie on May 17, 2019, 09:27:00 PM
Karma

In years to come we will look back at his time here as coinciding with a financial and developmental low point in our history...awful manager

Bang on pal
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2019, 06:07:35 PM
Everyone's making the same Tony Pulis to Juventus joke

Hehehehe!!!

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/1d2c2029-7da4-4b1b-84c5-6e7987c4ce83
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on July 21, 2019, 02:35:27 PM
“Former West Brom boss Tony Pulis has been tipped to take this job after Middlesbrough exit”

He will never be out of work for too long, there’ll always be an owner ready to hire him, but the fans on the other hand...............

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/former-west-brom-boss-tony-16621946
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on July 21, 2019, 03:02:08 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on July 21, 2019, 02:35:27 PM
“Former West Brom boss Tony Pulis has been tipped to take this job after Middlesbrough exit”

He will never be out of work for too long, there’ll always be an owner ready to hire him, but the fans on the other hand...............

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/former-west-brom-boss-tony-16621946

He'd be a good fit there, a club without Premier League football for years and reasonably low expectations in that sense.
I can see him taking it as he needs the money. I think in recent years he's lost his touch a bit though, his football isn't suited for teams trying to go up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 21, 2019, 03:06:04 PM
It's Liam I feel sorry for  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 21, 2019, 04:26:12 PM
English football will never catch up with the worlds best while we continue to give jobs to the likes of Bruce, Pulis, and co.

We need more like Eddie Howe.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 22, 2019, 08:45:45 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on July 21, 2019, 03:06:04 PM
It's Liam I feel sorry for  ;D

Just when I thought I’d got rid of him...

Would save some pennies on tickets and trains  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BalisPen on July 23, 2019, 11:40:36 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on July 22, 2019, 08:45:45 PM
Just when I thought I’d got rid of him...

Would save some pennies on tickets and trains  ;D

I really hope the detestable Steve parish is screwing him on the background for the £5m, after winning that case against him.

I think old Tone will be doing the rounds for a bit longer than we'd like.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on November 18, 2019, 07:29:29 PM
Ex-West Brom boss Tony Pulis 'holding out for Premier League' after turning down job

Is he deluded or what?

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-west-brom-boss-tony-17276516
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on November 18, 2019, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on November 18, 2019, 07:29:29 PM
Ex-West Brom boss Tony Pulis 'holding out for Premier League' after turning down job

Is he deluded or what?

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-west-brom-boss-tony-17276516
Next stop Watford?  I'm sure Craig would be delighted to go back to being a full back.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on November 18, 2019, 09:43:34 PM
The bloke is so far up his own ar$e he should be wearing a suppository not a base ball cap
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on November 18, 2019, 11:18:10 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on November 18, 2019, 07:29:29 PM
Ex-West Brom boss Tony Pulis 'holding out for Premier League' after turning down job

Is he deluded or what?

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-west-brom-boss-tony-17276516

Unfortunately, despite the air of delusion, he is probably right. A desperate Southampton for example might be willing to gamble on the 'Pulis treatment' in the form of a short term contract to keep them up and at the same time pocketing Pulis a nice fat bonus. As far as TP is concerned, his style is far easier to keep a team up than it is to get a team promoted so it does in that respect make sense for him to hold out for a Premier League rescue job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 19, 2019, 02:23:42 AM
Quote from: tuamigos on November 18, 2019, 09:43:34 PM
The bloke is so far up his own ar$e he should be wearing a suppository not a base ball cap

He seems to have a pretty good business model though;

1. Have a reputation
2. Wait for the phone to ring,
3. Sign a 3 year contract with options,
4. Pull off said miracle within a year [give him a modicum of credit here],
5. Sit back and have no ambition
6. Get sacked and have remainder of contract handsomely paid up just to leave the postcode
7. Go on holiday
8. repeat all of the above

I will admit to wanting him at them club at the time he was appointed, but quite frankly I would rather shove a live wasp up my ar*e  that watch that rubbish again.

The bloke is a total clown...but he is 'considerably, considerably richer than me and yau' [probably]
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 19, 2019, 06:30:51 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 19, 2019, 02:23:42 AM
He seems to have a pretty good business model though;

1. Have a reputation
2. Wait for the phone to ring,
3. Sign a 3 year contract with options,
4. Pull off said miracle within a year [give him a modicum of credit here],
5. Sit back and have no ambition
6. Get sacked and have remainder of contract handsomely paid up just to leave the postcode
7. Go on holiday
8. repeat all of the above

I will admit to wanting him at them club at the time he was appointed, but quite frankly I would rather shove a live wasp up my ar*e  that watch that rubbish again.

The bloke is a total clown...but he is 'considerably, considerably richer than me and yau' [probably]

I think he has run out of customers. Of the strugglers near the foot of the table none of them would touch him (Villa possibly where the need to stay in the league is desperate) and if a club isn't in the thick of a relegation battle no one is going to appoint him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 19, 2019, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 19, 2019, 02:23:42 AM
He seems to have a pretty good business model though;

1. Have a reputation
2. Wait for the phone to ring,
3. Sign a 3 year contract with options,
4. Pull off said miracle within a year [give him a modicum of credit here],
5. Sit back and have no ambition
6. Get sacked and have remainder of contract handsomely paid up just to leave the postcode
7. Go on holiday
8. repeat all of the above


Yes, he can still advertise himself as never having been relegated, but he was clever enough to get himself sacked before it happened with us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BalisPen on November 23, 2019, 07:41:01 PM
I was under the impression he signed a one year rolling contract.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on December 10, 2019, 06:51:07 PM
See a recent quote from Arsene Wenger below.  This tells you all you need to know about Tony Pulis, his mindset and his mentality....

Gnabry, wanting more first-team opportunities, opted to leave Arsenal in 2016 and return home to Germany with Werder Bremen - not that Wenger was keen to let him go.

"He came back from a very bad experience at West Brom where his confidence was destroyed," said the Frenchman recently. "I tried to rebuild him because I believed in him."

Quotes taken from the BBC website today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 03, 2020, 07:42:00 PM
“David Beckham to appoint Anthony Pulis - son of former Premier League manager Tony - as Inter Miami coach”

Let’s hope is footballing philosophy is different to his old man
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 03, 2020, 07:55:59 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on January 03, 2020, 07:42:00 PM
“David Beckham to appoint Anthony Pulis - son of former Premier League manager Tony - as Inter Miami coach”

Let’s hope is footballing philosophy is different to his old man

Bit of a drop after some of the big names previously linked with the job
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 03, 2020, 08:55:02 PM
Pulis is a swear word which should be banned from this site.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 03, 2020, 09:24:19 PM
Quote from: Droitwich Baggie on January 03, 2020, 08:55:02 PM
Pulis is a swear word which should be banned from this site.

Have you?  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on January 03, 2020, 10:59:30 PM
Look back on the thread, lads.  Plenty on there who thought the sun shone out of his rear end, and wouldn't hear a bad word against him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 04, 2020, 08:55:04 AM
I had and still have no problem with him , If you don't know who he really is and what he really  does then you follow the wrong sport .
He was one of few people capable of saving us after the Irvine / Burton mess that Peace created on top of the Pepe Mel episode , you don't appoint Pulis and expect to play like Brazil .
You also don't keep him on too long once he's steadied the ship and unlike John Williams you don't let him spend money left , right and centre!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 04, 2020, 09:08:38 AM
Quote from: Dexy on January 04, 2020, 08:55:04 AM
I had and still have no problem with him , If you don't know who he really is and what he really  does then you follow the wrong sport .
He was one of few people capable of saving us after the Irvine / Burton mess that Peace created on top of the Pepe Mel episode , you don't appoint Pulis and expect to play like Brazil .
You also don't keep him on too long once he's steadied the ship and unlike John Williams you don't let him spend money left , right and centre!
very well put, I gave up my season ticket because the entertainment value was not there, but you know what he does, how he does it and should respect his record .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 05, 2020, 02:49:47 PM
Quote from: Dexy on January 04, 2020, 08:55:04 AM
I had and still have no problem with him , If you don't know who he really is and what he really  does then you follow the wrong sport .
He was one of few people capable of saving us after the Irvine / Burton mess that Peace created on top of the Pepe Mel episode , you don't appoint Pulis and expect to play like Brazil .
You also don't keep him on too long once he's steadied the ship and unlike John Williams you don't let him spend money left , right and centre!

I did not buy this at the time I am not even sure it was worth saving us from the what the fan base regarded as the inevitable relegation where are we now?

However even accepting that Pulis was the only man to save us the problem was always the longer term. Keeping us up in the first season gave him the right to "his own players" and the protection  of the "careful what you wish for narrative"

West Ham went through the same process with Moyes but had the sense to only bring him in for a short period only go full circle in the space of 18 months, without fixing anything very much.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on January 05, 2020, 04:18:03 PM
I think Pulis represented all that is bad about the game. As for discipline and work ethic, yes that should be a given without needing to stick 9 men behind the ball.

Hope his son has a few progressive ideas of his own, otherwise he will help kill the game off as a spectator sport in the States. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 05, 2020, 06:14:54 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 05, 2020, 02:49:47 PM
I did not buy this at the time I am not even sure it was worth saving us from the what the fan base regarded as the inevitable relegation where are we now?

However even accepting that Pulis was the only man to save us the problem was always the longer term. Keeping us up in the first season gave him the right to "his own players" and the protection  of the "careful what you wish for narrative"

West Ham went through the same process with Moyes but had the sense to only bring him in for a short period only go full circle in the space of 18 months, without fixing anything very much.
Of course it was , for better or for worse staying up is everything . Yes we'd all like to build like Leicester did but after Clarke as I posted  we made a right pigs ear with Mel and Irivine . Whatever you think of Pulis keeping up a squad with the likes of Blanco , Davidson and Samaras was not to be sniffed at . Then to change that squad from the above to Fletcher , Evans , Rondon etc....again thats a sucess on the money we can offer .
He's a 2 year fixer , he's damn good at it too ( or was ) . Sadly we let him stay too long and gave him players he should never have had .
Could you imagine had we been relegated and being stuck with those players from the Irvine/Burton era ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 05, 2020, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: Standaman on January 05, 2020, 02:49:47 PM
I did not buy this at the time I am not even sure it was worth saving us from the what the fan base regarded as the inevitable relegation where are we now?

Honestly if we had been relegated at that point, it might have been better for the club. It would have meant Peace having to accept one of two scenarios:

1/ sell the club for a lower amount to a more interested party;

2/ put a new long-term plan in place to get us up and secure his investment

Either one would probably mean we'd be in a very different place now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 08, 2020, 08:52:06 AM
Quote from: Dexy on January 04, 2020, 08:55:04 AM
I had and still have no problem with him , If you don't know who he really is and what he really  does then you follow the wrong sport .
He was one of few people capable of saving us after the Irvine / Burton mess that Peace created on top of the Pepe Mel episode , you don't appoint Pulis and expect to play like Brazil .
You also don't keep him on too long once he's steadied the ship and unlike John Williams you don't let him spend money left , right and centre!

I am in your camp.

If you read my posts when he was appointed, I welcomed the appointment after such an horrendous appointment in Irvine, simply put, we needed him to come in and keep us afloat because we had wasted a transfer window in signing the likes of Gamboa, Davidson, Gardner etc. However, you know when you make that appointment that once you have reached the safety mark, it becomes time to move on from him and that is what we should have done and is what I called for quite vociferously as people will undoubtedly recall  ;D

Getting rid of him in the May of the final year we survived and bringing in someone else at that point whilst our stock was quite high was the way forward, instead Williams gave him another contract despite it being quite clear that his message was not getting through to the players any longer who had managed to survive three years of his antiquated methods. Instead, we backed him in the transfer market, waited until it was too late to bring in a manager of any worth and ultimately cost ourselves Premier League status.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jack Thrust on January 08, 2020, 09:31:09 AM
Quote from: Fritzl Palace on January 08, 2020, 08:52:06 AM
waited until it was too late to bring in a manager of any worth and ultimately cost ourselves Premier League status.

This is a biggie for me too. If I remember rightly Crystal Palace appointed a certain Mr Hodgson a few weeks before we finally booted out Pulis. This really irritated me at the time as I really rate Roy and I'm sure bringing him back would have helped galvanise the fanbase too. Ho hum.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: NJS on January 08, 2020, 11:43:58 AM
Pulisball was so stultifyingly awful that the fans were drifting away and it was unattractive for players thinking of joining the club - unless of course you were a centre half in which case we had 3 or 4 of those on the pitch at the same time. 

Can you imagine how Pereira would enjoy it if he was just watching the ball flying over his head to a lone centre forward and was incessantly barked at to chase after the ball for ninety minutes?

Following what  FallOutBoy wrote on this thread, had we gone down earlier Peace would not have been able to make such a killing when selling the club and might have been compelled to sell to someone who had the club's interest at heart.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 08, 2020, 11:57:51 AM
Have we lost the Pulis stigma yet attached to our name and brand of football? It took Stoke years to shed it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 08, 2020, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: BB74 on January 08, 2020, 11:57:51 AM
Have we lost the Pulis stigma yet attached to our name and brand of football? It took Stoke years to shed it.

Course we have, it was such a daft thin to argue over.  Just like Wolves have lost their stigma after the Mad Mick years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on November 03, 2020, 06:55:10 AM
If Pulis came back on board tomorrow would he keep us up? Would you accept him back for the greater good?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 03, 2020, 07:08:11 AM
Quote from: BB74 on November 03, 2020, 06:55:10 AM
If Pulis came back on board tomorrow would he keep us up? Would you accept him back for the greater good?

No, we have to accept relegation is part of a more attractive style, we got promoted without a solid spine to the team, this season was always going to be difficult, the results since Christmas have not been good enough, I'll leave it to more knowledgeable people than me as to who would do a better job than Bilic, but Pulis would be a mis step, particularly with this squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brooklynbaggie on November 03, 2020, 07:26:26 AM
Pereira is wasted out wide as it is never mind in a back 8!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hardtobeat on November 03, 2020, 07:43:56 AM
Quote from: BB74 on November 03, 2020, 06:55:10 AM
If Pulis came back on board tomorrow would he keep us up? Would you accept him back for the greater good?
Absolutely not !! Not just because of the type of football served up but things went on around other things e.g transfers , agents  etc that we will never all details about that dragged this club downwards
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 03, 2020, 08:22:57 AM
No, No and NO!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on November 03, 2020, 08:51:19 AM
Don't think there are any fans that would accept Pulis coming back, with a couple of obvious exceptions.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 03, 2020, 08:55:12 AM
Quote from: BB74 on November 03, 2020, 06:55:10 AM
If Pulis came back on board tomorrow would he keep us up? Would you accept him back for the greater good?

Would rather watch us in the Vanarama league that see his dark spectre back......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 03, 2020, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: BB74 on November 03, 2020, 06:55:10 AM
If Pulis came back on board tomorrow would he keep us up? Would you accept him back for the greater good?

1. I have absolutely no idea.

2. No.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 03, 2020, 09:20:44 AM
To put it simply, I would stop following the club if Pulis ever returned until such time that he left again. His approach is the complete antithesis of my personal footballing ideology. Him and his managerial ilk should be forever consigned to the dustbin of history.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 03, 2020, 10:10:05 AM
No definitely not. You only suffer Pulis once. If the club fails to take advantage of the improvement he provides, (Ie. By appointing Alan Pardew) then it's tough luck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on November 03, 2020, 10:33:52 AM
We didn't use Pulis as a foundation to build from.

He came in and shattered everything that was already falling apart and then we shattered everything he'd put in place (a team capable of meeting the physical demands of the Premier League) when we appointed Pardew.

All in all it's just one waste of time after another. We need an identity. Pulis isn't the man to do that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on November 03, 2020, 12:35:03 PM
I felt Pulis did exactly what he was meant to with us. The problem is we fell into the typical Pulis trap and gave him too much money and power. It's not his fault the club struggled, it was doing it before him and did so after him.

Having said that, you need to move on. He's no miracle worker and if we did get a new manager it wouldn't be him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 03, 2020, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on November 03, 2020, 09:20:44 AM
To put it simply, I would stop following the club if Pulis ever returned until such time that he left again. His approach is the complete antithesis of my personal footballing ideology. Him and his managerial ilk should be forever consigned to the dustbin of history.

Agree with this mostly. The only difference is if we appointed him, this time I wouldn't be back when he left.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 03, 2020, 12:53:07 PM
And despite the hypothetical situation posed, we already have a current incumbent in the post.

Feel free to discuss Pulis' time with us - but given the managerial chair is already occupied, we won't be having that discussion in this thread..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 03, 2020, 01:29:10 PM
Aside from the results, I actually felt I needed to excuse myself for being an Albion fan when Pulis got into his stride.  Yes, he ground out the odd 0-0 or even a 1-0, but it is the damage he did to the club's footballing reputation which was worst.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 03, 2020, 02:04:15 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on November 03, 2020, 12:53:07 PM
And despite the hypothetical situation posed, we already have a current incumbent in the post.

Feel free to discuss Pulis' time with us - but given the managerial chair is already occupied, we won't be having that discussion in this thread..

Sorry Liam, it's PPSD - Post Pulis Stress Disorder!  :D

Just the thought of him angries up the blood.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 03, 2020, 02:32:01 PM
the bloke should be locked up for football crimes, never in a million years should he be allowed back in football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on November 03, 2020, 07:31:26 PM
At a slight tangent but indirectly still about Pulis

Does anyone think Soccer Saturday is an improvement with Pulis, Sue Smith and Clinton Morrison  :o :o

At least Thommo, LeTiss and Charlie Nicholas were entertaining with their banter, even when the football was pants
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Westie on November 03, 2020, 09:19:34 PM
Soccer Saturday is now, in my opinion, unwatchable. They should put subtitles on when Morrison speaks, and the other two are seriously irritating, not to mention boring.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: eddiethebeagle on November 03, 2020, 10:24:49 PM
Agree completely.

As soon as Pulis starts talking I just stop listening. Had such a blinkered view of players when managing us and I imagine still does.

Soccer Saturday overall is indeed basically unwatchable now but it definitely isn’t all down to Pulis being on it, he’s just a contributor!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 04, 2020, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: eddiethebeagle on November 03, 2020, 10:24:49 PM
Agree completely.

As soon as Pulis starts talking I just stop listening. Had such a blinkered view of players when managing us and I imagine still does.

Soccer Saturday overall is indeed basically unwatchable now but it definitely isn’t all down to Pulis being on it, he’s just a contributor!!

I would love to get Jeffs honest opinion, he must find it sooo hard to make that entertaining.
How to kill a program 101 !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 04, 2020, 11:57:20 AM
My Wolves mate was raging about him the other week when he watched it.

Stelling asked Pulis how Gibbs-White was playing for Swansea, as the Dingles have him on loan there. Pulis didn't seem to know which one he was, made some incredibly bland comments, and just called every player 'the lad'.

Hopefully him doing that show will expose him for what we all know about him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 04, 2020, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on November 04, 2020, 11:57:20 AM
My Wolves mate..........

I don't know whether it's just me but I have to look twice when Albion supporters open a line with 'my Wolves/Villa mate'. Just never reads correctly somehow. Colleague, former colleague, associate or bloke down the pub who supports delete as appropriate seem more appropriate, well they do for me anyway ;D .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 04, 2020, 12:45:45 PM
Quote from: baggie53 on November 03, 2020, 07:31:26 PM
At a slight tangent but indirectly still about Pulis

Does anyone think Soccer Saturday is an improvement with Pulis, Sue Smith and Clinton Morrison  :o :o

At least Thommo, LeTiss and Charlie Nicholas were entertaining with their banter, even when the football was pants

As others have said, totally unwatchable now - all have the personality and presenting skills of a traffic cone. The old formula was compulsive viewing.......and great fun.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 04, 2020, 02:21:21 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 04, 2020, 12:45:45 PM
As others have said, totally unwatchable now - all have the personality and presenting skills of a traffic cone. The old formula was compulsive viewing.......and great fun.

panel of good old boys more watchable than panel of androgynous metropersons shocker ! :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 04, 2020, 02:34:31 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 04, 2020, 02:21:21 PM
panel of good old boys more watchable than panel of androgynous metropersons shocker ! :o

Not quite the phrase I would have used, but very true......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on November 13, 2020, 07:03:54 PM
Don Howson (Sheffield Wednesday writer) Tweeted

Confirmation: Tony Pulis is Wednesday's new manager. #SWFC

Running a #SWFC web chat following Tony Pulis's appointment as manager. I would love to hear from you. Get your questions in now.

Gather Tony Pulis is set to meet his new squad for the first time tomorrow. #SWFC
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 13, 2020, 09:47:49 PM
I'm absolutely staggered that Pulis has been given another job, the Sheff Wed board must have taken leave of its senses. The Board and the fans can now suffer through his stifling anti-football for the remainder of the season. No offence to the fans, who deserve much better, but I hope Sheff Wed are relegated having taken this step back into prehistoric football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 14, 2020, 12:05:00 AM
I'm surprised Pulis has taken himself off easy street on Soccer Saturday to be honest , I also feel after Boro that he might just have a bit too old now .
I still believe in his prime when a club was desperate he was one of the best at drilling the basics back into a side and being very hard to beat , yes there was some dire games but we had some decent spells under him too that many forget .
He had a time limit though and we went a year over that !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 14, 2020, 01:48:20 AM
It's a good appointment for a basket case club, whether he can do any more than keep them up remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 14, 2020, 08:28:16 AM
Quote from: Dexy on November 14, 2020, 12:05:00 AM
I'm surprised Pulis has taken himself off easy street on Soccer Saturday to be honest , I also feel after Boro that he might just have a bit too old now .
I still believe in his prime when a club was desperate he was one of the best at drilling the basics back into a side and being very hard to beat , yes there was some dire games but we had some decent spells under him too that many forget .
He had a time limit though and we went a year over that !

One word Dexy - money

And so the Pulis plan begins. Decent length contract, save the club, gain the plaudits, mess it up and get the sack with a pay off.

Feel sorry for them (a bit, not much)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 14, 2020, 09:10:56 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 14, 2020, 08:28:16 AM
One word Dexy - money

And so the Pulis plan begins. Decent length contract, save the club, gain the plaudits, mess it up and get the sack with a pay off.

Feel sorry for them (a bit, not much)
I don't think he's short on money mate unless his Mrs spends it all  ;D
In fairness it's a huge club on it's knees , a typical Pulis rescue act club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 14, 2020, 11:02:22 AM
Pulisball was made for games played behind closed doors wished his time with us had been played behind closed doors and only available on PPV.

In Sheffield Wednesday's position they have nothing to lose but I am not even sure he can pull off a rescue job anymore.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on November 14, 2020, 11:04:45 AM
I’ll always say Pulis did a job for us when needed but unfortunately stayed a few months too long.

Far far from anywhere near one of our worse managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 14, 2020, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: Dexy on November 14, 2020, 09:10:56 AM
I don't think he's short on money mate unless his Mrs spends it all  ;D
In fairness it's a huge club on it's knees , a typical Pulis rescue act club.

He was a bit short a few years ago when Crystal Palace won their case I think, but good old Albion probably made that go away with a generous pay off.

You are probably right but he must be thinking of hanging his cap up soon so this would be a nice contribution to his fund.

At least the Owls fans dont have the chance to witness the anti football in person [in the short term anyway]

He will do a job for them though, I have no doubt about that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PartisanBaggie on November 14, 2020, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: leeiswba on November 14, 2020, 11:04:45 AM
I’ll always say Pulis did a job for us when needed but unfortunately stayed a few months too long.

Far far from anywhere near one of our worse managers.

Always thought the same leeiswba 👍🏻

Should have parted company with him at the end of 16/17 season. The rot set in when we sat in 8th place between February and May 2017, only to finish 10th on the last game of the season. Our football needed to return to being entertaining again. The summer of 2017 to prepare for this was the perfect opportunity. However, instead of being wise enough to realise Pulis’ time had come to an end and part amicably, that foolish chief executive John Williams rewarded him with a much improved new contract. The rest as they say, is history.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on November 14, 2020, 06:46:37 PM
Ar least we won't have to suffer him on Soccer Saturday any more  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 14, 2020, 07:10:53 PM
Quote from: baggie53 on November 14, 2020, 06:46:37 PM
Ar least we won't have to suffer him on Soccer Saturday any more  ;D ;D
Can he take Clinton with him ? ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on November 14, 2020, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: Dexy on November 14, 2020, 07:10:53 PM
Can he take Clinton with him ? ;D
And Sue Smith - please
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 14, 2020, 09:36:38 PM
Quote from: Dexy on November 14, 2020, 07:10:53 PM
Can he take Clinton with him ? ;D
Thought it was me...
He is awful...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 15, 2020, 06:52:20 AM
Quote from: baggie53 on November 14, 2020, 08:52:34 PM
And Sue Smith - please

Is that plank Sherwood still on it? He needs to go as well......

Seriously, I have point blank stopped watching it due to the change so I don't know......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on November 15, 2020, 10:29:09 AM
Quote from: skyclad99 on November 15, 2020, 06:52:20 AM
Is that plank Sherwood still on it? He needs to go as well......

Seriously, I have point blank stopped watching it due to the change so I don't know......
Its painful , only Stelling keeping it going.
Pulis was dreadful on it as much as I respect certain parts of his knowledge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Westie on November 15, 2020, 10:32:12 AM
Regarding Pulis and money, doesn’t he have a house at Sandbanks, Poole, near ‘Arry’s place? If so, he can’t be too much short........!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 15, 2020, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: Westie on November 15, 2020, 10:32:12 AM
Regarding Pauli’s and money, doesn’t he have a house at Sandbanks, Poole, near ‘Arry’s place? If so, he can’t be too much short........!

I think he lives next door to 'Arry.

I go sea fishing out of Poole on a regular basis and we pass Sandbanks. The skipper always points out 'Arrys place, very nice indeed!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 15, 2020, 12:50:53 PM
Quote from: Westie on November 15, 2020, 10:32:12 AM
Regarding Pauli’s and money, doesn’t he have a house at Sandbanks, Poole, near ‘Arry’s place? If so, he can’t be too much short........!

I bet Southampton supporters are delighted the powers that be kept faith with Hasenhuttl following their spanking by nine, rather than panic and hire that 'never been relegated' safe pair of hands Trainer Man fella from down the road.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 15, 2020, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on November 14, 2020, 11:04:45 AM
I’ll always say Pulis did a job for us when needed but unfortunately stayed a few months too long.

Far far from anywhere near one of our worse managers.
Stayed a few months too long?! The only job he did for us was drag the club's reputation as a footballing side through the dirt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on November 15, 2020, 05:52:55 PM
Quote from: alex1 on November 15, 2020, 04:16:17 PM
Stayed a few months too long?! The only job he did for us was drag the club's reputation as a footballing side through the dirt.

He did what was needed for a couple of seasons after Mel & Irvine debacle
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 15, 2020, 06:13:50 PM
Quote from: leeiswba on November 15, 2020, 05:52:55 PM
He did what was needed for a couple of seasons after Mel & Irvine debacle
He really did....he was exactly the right person at the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KN22 on November 19, 2020, 01:06:22 PM
Quote from: alex1 on November 15, 2020, 04:16:17 PM
Stayed a few months too long?! The only job he did for us was drag the club's reputation as a footballing side through the dirt.

I agree with this 100%. I fully respect people's right to express their own opinion but mine is clear: In 50 plus years of supporting our great club, when I take everything into account, he is the worst manager we have had.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 19, 2020, 01:06:56 PM
Craig Gardner appointed his assistant. Explains why he played a part in pretty much every game whilst here despite being muck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on November 19, 2020, 01:38:16 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 19, 2020, 01:06:56 PM
Craig Gardner appointed his assistant. Explains why he played a part in pretty much every game whilst here despite being muck.

If i am right in thinking in an away game at Palace he took Berahino off and replaced him with Gardner and we went on to lose 2-0. Pulis later claimed after the game 'we lacked attacking intent'. Never listened to the man after that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 19, 2020, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 19, 2020, 01:06:56 PM
Craig Gardner appointed his assistant. Explains why he played a part in pretty much every game whilst here despite being muck.

I wasn't Craig's biggest supporter by any means but I've just looked this up and there's no escaping some things. He signed at the start of the 14/15 season, made 35 PL appearances and we finished 13th. Made 34 appearances in 15/16 and we finished 14th. He left for Blues during 16/17 having made 9 PL appearances for us and we finished 10th. The following season (17/18) without Mr Gardner we finished 20th and went down. Shocking stats when you think about it........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 19, 2020, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on November 19, 2020, 01:42:15 PM
I wasn't Craig's biggest supporter by any means but I've just looked this up and there's no escaping some things. He signed at the start of the 14/15 season, made 35 PL appearances and we finished 13th. Made 34 appearances in 15/16 and we finished 14th. He left for Blues during 16/17 having made 9 PL appearances for us and we finished 10th. The following season (17/18) without Mr Gardner we finished 20th and went down. Shocking stats when you think about it........
All I remember is that, when Gardner started, he just ran around pointing a lot without really touching the ball. Then, when he was on the bench, he was the answer to every question, winning, losing or drawing he came on and proceeded to run around pointing a lot without really touching the ball.
Couldn't tackle, couldn't pass and rarely scored, apart from the odd worldy.
Remind you of anyone ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 19, 2020, 02:03:22 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 19, 2020, 01:55:19 PM
All I remember is that, when Gardner started, he just ran around pointing a lot without really touching the ball. Then, when he was on the bench, he was the answer to every question, winning, losing or drawing he came on and proceeded to run around pointing a lot without really touching the ball.
Couldn't tackle, couldn't pass and rarely scored, apart from the odd worldy.
Remind you of anyone ::)

Yes now you come to mention it; me during my last season back in '94.

In my defence my knees were buggered though, the mind was still willing but the body wasn't  ;D .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 19, 2020, 02:19:26 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on November 19, 2020, 02:03:22 PM
Yes now you come to mention it; me during my last season back in '94.

In my defence my knees were buggered though, the mind was still willing but the body wasn't  ;D .
A very honest self assessment sir. Pretty much sums up my entire career, to be fair, hence the reason I never escaped the District League and never owned a Bentley!
I did like Bentley's nightclub though and performed rather better at that level  ;)


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Westie on November 19, 2020, 05:20:59 PM
Quote from: KN22 on November 19, 2020, 01:06:22 PM
I agree with this 100%. I fully respect people's right to express their own opinion but mine is clear: In 50 plus years of supporting our great club, when I take everything into account, he is the worst manager we have had.

We have had some very poor managers but for me, Ron Saunders was the worst.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KN22 on November 19, 2020, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: Westie on November 19, 2020, 05:20:59 PM
We have had some very poor managers but for me, Ron Saunders was the worst.

Yes, he wasn’t great. A different era of course. Pulis is fresher in the memory of course
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2020, 12:33:00 AM
Without triggering a good 90 percent of you Pulis (by consecutive league finishes) is only bettered by Hodgson since the 80s.

Far from the worst.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: leeiswba on November 20, 2020, 07:06:47 AM
Quote from: KN22 on November 19, 2020, 01:06:22 PM
I agree with this 100%. I fully respect people's right to express their own opinion but mine is clear: In 50 plus years of supporting our great club, when I take everything into account, he is the worst manager we have had.

I have only been a fan for around 20-25 years and he wouldn’t make my top 2/3. I would definitely put Pardew & Irvine above him in worse managers and probably even Pepe Mel with everything going on during that short period.

By no means a Pulis fan by the way I just think the way people look at the as ‘the dark days’ and the worst we’ve had is a bit much.

Especially with stats like Jacko has just pointed out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ahandpatsy on November 20, 2020, 08:19:23 AM
Maybe you should measure how bad he was on how many people stopped going to the match because of the manager,   Pulis turned me away from the Hawthornes after 9 years of never missing a match.  A total dinosaur.  Also saturday afternoons on Sky I cringe and now can't watch that with him either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2020, 08:22:15 AM
Quote from: ahandpatsy on November 20, 2020, 08:19:23 AM
Maybe you should measure how bad he was on how many people stopped going to the match because of the manager,   Pulis turned me away from the Hawthornes after 9 years of never missing a match.  A total f.... dinosaur.  Also saturday afternoons on Sky I cringe and now can't watch that with him either.

I raise your anecdote, and give you actual attendance stats...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ahandpatsy on November 20, 2020, 08:29:17 AM
I would be interested and don't forget to include the equally relevant viewing figures for soccer saturday

If you think Pulis improves either my club or that show then please stop embarrassing yourself
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2020, 11:45:01 AM
Craig Gardner played nearly 400 games as a professional most of which were in the Premier League a record which should not be scoffed at. We got him on a free and Blues paid £2m to take him as a 30 year old, well bless them for that.

While Pulis did not bring him to the club he pretty much embodied the Pulis player. Hard working unfussy would happily fill in wherever there was a gap in the team. Yes and we did well to a point but the Craig Gardner's were as much at the heart of our decline as their managers limitations. They aged were replaced by other players on the downslope and we are still picking up the pieces today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 21, 2020, 12:00:25 PM
If people want to celebrate the relative success of Pulis's anti-football style of "entertainment" (football is meant to be a form of entertainment remember), then that's up to them. For me, Pulis's approach sucks the life and soul out of football matches and I'll always loathe him for that.

For me his means never did and never will justify the ends, and I firmly contend that his continuing involvement (and anyone with a similar footballing "style" to him) in football is to the ultimate detriment of the sport.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 02:06:54 PM
Quote from: Standaman on November 21, 2020, 11:45:01 AM
Craig Gardner played nearly 400 games as a professional most of which were in the Premier League a record which should not be scoffed at. We got him on a free and Blues paid £2m to take him as a 30 year old, well bless them for that.

While Pulis did not bring him to the club he pretty much embodied the Pulis player. Hard working unfussy would happily fill in wherever there was a gap in the team. Yes and we did well to a point but the Craig Gardner's were as much at the heart of our decline as their managers limitations. They aged were replaced by other players on the downslope and we are still picking up the pieces today.
Scoff, scoff, scoff. Plenty of players like Gardner with too many appearances in respect of their ability (we have one now!
He embodies what's wrong with grass roots football and coaching in this country where graft and physicality outweighs skill. Awful player who will, no doubt, given his mentor, be an awful coach. Poor old Wednesday, they don't know what they've done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 21, 2020, 02:28:30 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 02:06:54 PM
Scoff, scoff, scoff. Plenty of players like Gardner with too many appearances in respect of their ability (we have one now!
He embodies what's wrong with grass roots football and coaching in this country where graft and physicality outweighs skill. Awful player who will, no doubt, given his mentor, be an awful coach. Poor old Wednesday, they don't know what they've done.

Judging by the fans forums, some do
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2020, 04:16:59 PM
Quote from: Standaman on November 21, 2020, 11:45:01 AM
Craig Gardner played nearly 400 games as a professional most of which were in the Premier League a record which should not be scoffed at. We got him on a free and Blues paid £2m to take him as a 30 year old, well bless them for that.

While Pulis did not bring him to the club he pretty much embodied the Pulis player. Hard working unfussy would happily fill in wherever there was a gap in the team. Yes and we did well to a point but the Craig Gardner's were as much at the heart of our decline as their managers limitations. They aged were replaced by other players on the downslope and we are still picking up the pieces today.

Players like 'Gards' having such relative success shows everything that is wrong with the game in this country. Our current captain even moreso. These lads would be labourers if they were Spanish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 04:37:56 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2020, 04:16:59 PM
Players like 'Gards' having such relative success shows everything that is wrong with the game in this country. Our current captain even moreso. These lads would be labourers if they were Spanish.
:D That's an absolute classic Jacko, I will be stealing it.  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KN22 on November 21, 2020, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: ahandpatsy on November 20, 2020, 08:19:23 AM
Maybe you should measure how bad he was on how many people stopped going to the match because of the manager,   Pulis turned me away from the Hawthornes after 9 years of never missing a match.  A total dinosaur.  Also saturday afternoons on Sky I cringe and now can't watch that with him either.

Agree 100 per cent with you. It’s still meant to be entertaining isn’t it? It rarely if ever was. People say Pardew was worse and I get that. I always add though that Pulis didn’t have to follow Pulis into the job. I’m sure you will get my meaning.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 21, 2020, 05:03:12 PM
I think Pulis is a product of British football in the 1970-1980's and his style was not dissimilar to a fair number of other managers who learned about the game in the same period. Don Revie and George Graham set the trend because they were managing more high profile clubs, and then a succession of managers of lower divison clubs adapted the model. The old FC Wimbledon built a reputation for playing that way, with managers Dave Bassett, Joe Kinnear, but also Ray Harford and Bobby Gould who went on to manage us, and their teams were some of the most dire you will ever see. It wasn't until Arsene Wenger that the trend started to change in this country.
 
Pulis is just probably the most extreme version of that style. His game almost entirely by-passes the need for any midfield with long high balls hoping that one drops right. There is virtually no place for players with flair who can craft chances, which is one of the main skills people go to watch.
Not saying you can't win some points that way, but its bad for the game and I don't like the negative reputation it gave clubs like ours.     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on November 21, 2020, 05:22:04 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2020, 04:16:59 PM
Players like 'Gards' having such relative success shows everything that is wrong with the game in this country. Our current captain even moreso. These lads would be labourers if they were Spanish.

For clarity, it's on the backs of "labourers" that civilisations and great teams are built  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2020, 05:47:43 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on November 21, 2020, 05:22:04 PM
For clarity, it's on the backs of "labourers" that civilisations and great teams are built  ;D

Why did you add this bit when it patently isn't true?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2020, 05:55:15 PM
I will never be remotely generous to a player ever again. Yes, Gardner is pretty much the archetype Pulis player and their qualities are generally overvalued by the traditionalist school of British manager and whenever we put in a substandard performance the board fills up with posts venerating these virtues.

Personally I am generally immune to the attraction not only of the homegrown versions of Gardner and Cattermole but the imports such as Yacob.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2020, 06:02:37 PM
Quote from: Standaman on November 21, 2020, 05:55:15 PM
I will never be remotely generous to a player ever again. Yes, Gardner is pretty much the archetype Pulis player and their qualities are generally overvalued by the traditionalist school of British manager and whenever we put in a substandard performance the board fills up with posts venerating these virtues.

Personally I am generally immune to the attraction not only of the homegrown versions of Gardner and Cattermole but the imports such as Yacob.

Wildly poor (and out of character) comparison. Yacob was a superb shield. An actual skill in a position that is needed.

We could only dream of having peak Claudio now, a player who would go some way to solving all our outfield problems.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 06:33:11 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2020, 06:02:37 PM
Wildly poor (and out of character) comparison. Yacob was a superb shield. An actual skill in a position that is needed.

We could only dream of having peak Claudio now, a player who would go some way to solving all our outfield problems.
And never scared to receive the ball or try and win it. Gardner and Livermore are the opposite of Yacob. They run around pointing for other people to do the work. They look like they are working ard but actually do very little.
Claudio knew his job and did it, nobody had to do it for him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2020, 07:51:32 PM
Knew that would ruffle a few feathers. Often referred as Makelele role but copied by the  neo-brutalist coaching school who reduced the DM role to the shuffling blocker which would be more accurately described as the Cattermole role, and Yacob was probably better than that but too frequently that was what the role boiled down to. Not saying we have ever got it right but to have that role just takes too much out of the central midfield
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 21, 2020, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Standaman on November 21, 2020, 07:51:32 PM
Knew that would ruffle a few feathers. Often referred as Makelele role but copied by the  neo-brutalist coaching school who reduced the DM role to the shuffling blocker which would be more accurately described as the Cattermole role, and Yacob was probably better than that but too frequently that was what the role boiled down to. Not saying we have ever got it right but to have that role just takes too much out of the central midfield

Arguably the role of DM is one of the hardest to fill in an XI in my opinion. Three players for me absolutely set the bar with their ability to do it.

Makelele - Kante - Gilberto Silva

These players were World Class at the role, in my opinion the latter actually being the best of them.

To play the role you need to have defensive awareness of the entire team and the ability to read the game, that is what seperates the best. Not just that but you also have to be absolutely selfless. In that sense I think Yacob was absolutely that. He was selfless and disciplined.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on November 26, 2020, 03:02:32 PM
Tony Pulis dealt blow as West Brom coach rejects Sheffield Wednesday

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-dealt-blow-west-19348919

Sorry, it's BirminghamLive's rubbish web site, open at your own peril
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 26, 2020, 05:03:24 PM
Can you tell us who the coach is?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 26, 2020, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on November 26, 2020, 05:03:24 PM
Can you tell us who the coach is?
Boaz
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on November 26, 2020, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on November 26, 2020, 03:02:32 PM
Tony Pulis dealt blow as West Brom coach rejects Sheffield Wednesday..........Sorry, it's BirminghamLive's rubbish web site, open at your own peril

No ta  ;D .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on November 26, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on November 26, 2020, 05:03:24 PM
Can you tell us who the coach is?

I didn’t want to ruin members fun by giving out a spoiler  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PartisanBaggie on November 26, 2020, 07:44:39 PM
Fair play Boaz, appreciate your loyalty 👏🏻
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 26, 2020, 09:35:30 PM
They Called James Morrison a legend I have called him a Legend but now having matured he gave good service hardly a Legend a Legend is Astle, Regis, Cunningham, Batson, Bomber Brown, Bob Taylor so on. Anyway it doesn't surprise me Pulis is trying to bring in people he knows would work aard for him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 27, 2020, 11:39:24 AM
Quote from: PartisanBaggie on November 26, 2020, 07:44:39 PM
Fair play Boaz, appreciate your loyalty 👏🏻

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest, he was happy to stay here playing second fiddle for years as he didn't want to move house so not sure its down to loyalty, more to keeping the family happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 27, 2020, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: OldburyWBA on November 27, 2020, 11:39:24 AM
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest, he was happy to stay here playing second fiddle for years as he didn't want to move house so not sure its down to loyalty, more to keeping the family happy.
63 games for us and 42 on loan at Blooze in 10 years, Nice work !

average of 10 games a year for how much dosh?  I actually thought he was half decent, but talk about a gravy train, sickening when you think about it !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on November 27, 2020, 12:32:23 PM
Boaz was contented with his lot and there is much to recommend that approach to ones working life.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on November 27, 2020, 04:50:28 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on November 27, 2020, 12:32:23 PM
Boaz was contented with his lot and there is much to recommend that approach to ones working life.

Absolutely, I don't blame Boaz for the crazy environment he works within,
Its the fact he and all the others can do this which makes me mad, and this in a country where key workers cannot get a decent wage, it is disgusting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 28, 2020, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: Albionic on November 27, 2020, 12:15:14 PM
63 games for us and 42 on loan at Blooze in 10 years, Nice work !

average of 10 games a year for how much dosh?  I actually thought he was half decent, but talk about a gravy train, sickening when you think about it !
But it’s not like any other position on the park is it?
Every club has keepers on the stroll that basically get paid for training .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 28, 2020, 04:05:34 PM
Holding Stoke with a rigid 4-5-1 (although we all know its more like 8-1-1) Whoever Wednesday's striker is needs to say a fond farewell to his teammates, he won't be seeing much of them any time soon  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 28, 2020, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on November 28, 2020, 04:05:34 PM
Holding Stoke with a rigid 4-5-1 (although we all know its more like 8-1-1) Whoever Wednesday's striker is needs to say a fond farewell to his teammates, he won't be seeing much of them any time soon  :)

Callum Patterson

He was being played in central midfield last week  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on November 28, 2020, 04:46:36 PM
Still Sheff Wed-Stoke 0-0. I bet that's gripping edge of your seat to watch.  ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on November 28, 2020, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: alex1 on November 28, 2020, 04:46:36 PM
Still Sheff Wed-Stoke 0-0. I bet that's gripping edge of your seat to watch.  ::)
He'll be avin a glass of red tonight, toasting a job well done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on November 28, 2020, 05:29:45 PM
He is doing the job isn't he? Not pretty to watch I'll bet ....

He will save them, get the recognition and for some strange reason the Owls board will think that he can get them promoted, give him a big fat contract extension, and it will then go 'pete tong'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on November 28, 2020, 06:07:22 PM
37% Possession 0 shots on target, sound familiar?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on November 28, 2020, 06:23:54 PM
Quote from: gerry m on November 28, 2020, 06:07:22 PM
37% Possession 0 shots on target, sound familiar?

And a point in the bag for a team in the bottom three.

Sounds very familiar and pleased it’s somebody else, but feel for them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 30, 2020, 03:59:30 PM
I'm sorry, but it's funny seeing Wednesday going through the same stuff as we did. I mean, I feel for them having him as manager, but I saw comments on twitter Saturday:

"It'll be fine once he's had a window to bring in his players". This kept being said here, no matter how many of his 'own players' he kept bringing in.

"Why are we playing four centre halves", with the reply being "Because our full backs are rubbish". No, it's just his style. He plays 4 centre-halves so that they play narrow and pack the box.

It just goes to show that most football fans are the same deep down.

Interesting that he put Jordan Rhodes on at half-time, but withdrew him before 90 were up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 01, 2020, 09:00:34 AM
At least they haven't got season tickets to witness the 'spectacle' of brand Pulis in person. My alcohol intake went through the roof back then as a means to dull the pain. Should've invoiced the club seeing as Goodman and Williams were hell bent on chucking good money after bad during that final season in particular. All the same there were some excellent away days........ albeit they were rudely interrupted by the 'football'.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 01, 2020, 10:22:03 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on December 01, 2020, 09:00:34 AM
At least they haven't got season tickets to witness the 'spectacle' of brand Pulis in person. My alcohol intake went through the roof back then as a means to dull the pain. Should've invoiced the club seeing as Goodman and Williams were hell bent on chucking good money after bad during that final season in particular. All the same there were some excellent away days........ albeit they were rudely interrupted by the 'football'.
I always said Pulis was a good teletext manager (remember back in the day when you couldn't get to the game and it wasn't on the radio so you just stared at teletext, waiting for it to refresh??)
If you don't actually attend games, watch streams or listen to radio, and just look at results in the paper, he's your man! Anything else and he's the devil.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 01, 2020, 11:47:02 AM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on November 30, 2020, 03:59:30 PM
I'm sorry, but it's funny seeing Wednesday going through the same stuff as we did. I mean, I feel for them having him as manager, but I saw comments on twitter Saturday:

"It'll be fine once he's had a window to bring in his players". This kept being said here, no matter how many of his 'own players' he kept bringing in.

"Why are we playing four centre halves", with the reply being "Because our full backs are rubbish". No, it's just his style. He plays 4 centre-halves so that they play narrow and pack the box.

It just goes to show that most football fans are the same deep down.

Interesting that he put Jordan Rhodes on at half-time, but withdrew him before 90 were up.

This it is so funny to watch fans do this and until you confront the grim reality of Pulisball week in week out you don't properly understand.  Other fans from his previous clubs queue up on social media to sympathise or laugh at the poor souls who are now desperately clinging to the idea that Pulisball might be a necessary evil or they once saw 45 minutes of quite good football from one of his sides or it cannot be as bad as all that. No what you see is what you get week after week and he might keep Wednesday up but in the end their fans will just won't care anymore they will want the pain to stop.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 01, 2020, 11:53:24 AM
Non match days become fleeting moments of relief from a world of enduring tooth ache.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 01, 2020, 12:08:18 PM
I was all for him when he was appointed and I remember being rather bemused by the numerous negative comments about 'not going whilst he was in charge' etc. How can it be so bad?

Now I know....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on December 01, 2020, 12:47:39 PM
Quote from: skyclad99 on December 01, 2020, 12:08:18 PM
I was all for him when he was appointed and I remember being rather bemused by the numerous negative comments about 'not going whilst he was in charge' etc. How can it be so bad?

Now I know....

I felt exactly the same at the time Kev and, like you, now I know.

But I still wonder, given our position at the time, whether we sacked him too late or too early, guess I'll never know the answer to that one
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 01, 2020, 12:52:58 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on December 01, 2020, 12:47:39 PM
I felt exactly the same at the time Kev and, like you, now I know.

But I still wonder, given our position at the time, whether we sacked him too late or too early, guess I'll never know the answer to that one
The fact that we talk about our longest stint in the Greed league with such disdain and regret tells the whole story, it was employing him that we got wrong, not sacking him.

My thoughts are with Sheffield Wednesday and their family at this difficult time.  :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 01, 2020, 01:12:32 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on December 01, 2020, 12:52:58 PM
The fact that we talk about our longest stint in the Greed league with such disdain and regret tells the whole story, it was employing him that we got wrong, not sacking him.

My thoughts are with Sheffield Wednesday and their family at this difficult time.  :'(
hiring him at the time was fine, we needed a turn around and he did that, but as a firefighter he should have gone when the put all the fires out at the end of the half season., not stay and start more.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 01, 2020, 01:17:31 PM
Quote from: AlbionFan on December 01, 2020, 12:47:39 PM
I felt exactly the same at the time Kev and, like you, now I know.

But I still wonder, given our position at the time, whether we sacked him too late or too early, guess I'll never know the answer to that one

Sacked him way too late in my opinion. Pulis does one job very well, but he has no ambition, is not interested in honours or even league positions given our disastarous run a couple of seasons ago when we confirmed survival; we then went 9 or 10 games without troubling anybody, and went down two league places in the final game after a rubbish 'on the beach' performance at Swansea. I think that cost us a few bob given that you get more for finishing higher up the table.

He got his big fat contract and we then had to pay him off - job done.

In the highly unlikely event that he ever did return [and he won't], then I too will be a 'stay away'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 01, 2020, 02:17:19 PM
We did keep him too long once he was here, we he should have gone the summer before he did - a better manager might have helped use the money we were throwing around more wisely, and kept us up. However I would argue that not appointing him at all would have been better for the club in the long term.

Yes, we had more time in the Premier League, but thanks to the mismanagement in that final year, we didn't even really have a sound financial footing to show for it. If we'd gone down under Irvine, with Peace still in charge, it would have forced a change. Peace would either have had to sell at a lower price to (probably) a more interested party, or he would have had to focus on finding a new long-term vision for the club (aka a new Dan Ashworth).

Instead, the short-term approach of Pulis kept us up, effectively to the long-term detriment of the club as a whole.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KN22 on December 02, 2020, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on December 01, 2020, 02:17:19 PM
We did keep him too long once he was here, we he should have gone the summer before he did - a better manager might have helped use the money we were throwing around more wisely, and kept us up. However I would argue that not appointing him at all would have been better for the club in the long term.

Yes, we had more time in the Premier League, but thanks to the mismanagement in that final year, we didn't even really have a sound financial footing to show for it. If we'd gone down under Irvine, with Peace still in charge, it would have forced a change. Peace would either have had to sell at a lower price to (probably) a more interested party, or he would have had to focus on finding a new long-term vision for the club (aka a new Dan Ashworth).

Instead, the short-term approach of Pulis kept us up, effectively to the long-term detriment of the club as a whole.

This is just so true.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 02, 2020, 02:14:31 PM
All if's buts and maybes.  I think it would have been more likely that we'd have gone down and then languished in the middle to bottom of the Championship for a few years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KN22 on December 02, 2020, 11:01:30 PM
Pulis update... sheff weds had 22 per cent possession in their 1-1 draw tonight. Sounds like another riveting game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 03, 2020, 01:21:36 AM
Quote from: KN22 on December 02, 2020, 11:01:30 PM
Pulis update... sheff weds had 22 per cent possession in their 1-1 draw tonight. Sounds like another riveting game.

Probably wouldn't have changed things much but they did have a player sent off on thirty minutes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 03, 2020, 06:23:33 AM
Quote from: KN22 on December 02, 2020, 11:01:30 PM
Pulis update... sheff weds had 22 per cent possession in their 1-1 draw tonight. Sounds like another riveting game.

He will give them a right dressing down at training today for holding onto the ball too long.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on December 03, 2020, 09:00:18 AM
PPE alert,

Neck braces are being urgently delivered to Sheffield as an outbreak of middle aged men with heads craned towards the stars is anticipated to bring half the city to a standstill.

Doctor Tony Hackett-Skywards claims the outbreak is due to hit co-incidental with fans being allowed to mix once again at football fixtures, Senior Public health officials are encouraging the use of neck restraints and visors to reduce the potential harmful effects of Pulisball on the cities workers. NHS procurement specialists have warned that shortages of neck braces will continue until such time as supplies are re-patriated from the black country.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 16, 2020, 03:50:19 PM
I think that's 3 defeats and a draw in 4 games now isn't it? They had 1 shot on target last night against fellow strugglers - sound familiar? Don't some believe that Pulis guarantees a new manager bounce? The end justifies the means for his terrible football?

Previous "successes" are no guarantee for the future, so those getting excited over the prospect of Allardyce might consider reining in their enthusiasm just a tad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 16, 2020, 04:04:01 PM
I'm just glad he's working at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on December 16, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
Well we are back to his style of Management again. This thread provides the laughs to numb the pain we will endure
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 18, 2020, 11:59:43 AM
While I've been critical of Pulis, and am by no means a fan of Sam, but I would say he's a little bit above Pulis.

They both belong to the dinosaur era that includes Bruce, Hughes, et al, but there is a key difference. Pulis doesn't do creativity at all; most of the rest will have a creative / flair player to make things happen. Allardyce had Okocha / Djorkaeff, Hodgson had Odemwingie when he was here, even Gary Megson signed Ruel Fox and Jason Koumas.

It's like they're different types of dinosaurs; Pulis is a Brachiosaurus, while Allardyce is a T-rex. Both should be extinct, but at least the T-rex will attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 19, 2020, 08:42:40 AM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on December 18, 2020, 11:59:43 AM
While I've been critical of Pulis, and am by no means a fan of Sam, but I would say he's a little bit above Pulis.

They both belong to the dinosaur era that includes Bruce, Hughes, et al, but there is a key difference. Pulis doesn't do creativity at all; most of the rest will have a creative / flair player to make things happen. Allardyce had Okocha / Djorkaeff, Hodgson had Odemwingie when he was here, even Gary Megson signed Ruel Fox and Jason Koumas.

It's like they're different types of dinosaurs; Pulis is a Brachiosaurus, while Allardyce is a T-rex. Both should be extinct, but at least the T-rex will attack.
I’d be less embarrassed if we would have taken pulis back.
Not a fan of either and really feel disgusted about allardyce and the England thing....but both should command respect in terms of delivering what they say......put it like this , if football managers were solicitors and you were in the dock ....wouldn’t you turn to this pair to get you off ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 19, 2020, 08:55:15 AM
Quote from: zippyandbungle on December 19, 2020, 08:42:40 AM
I’d be less embarrassed if we would have taken pulis back.
Not a fan of either and really feel disgusted about allardyce and the England thing....but both should command respect in terms of delivering what they say......put it like this , if football managers were solicitors and you were in the dock ....wouldn’t you turn to this pair to get you off ?

You know Pulis wasn't squeaky clean, ask Crystal Palace.

Having had a few days to digest, and to hear a couple of his interviews, all we can do is give Sam a chance and get behind the team. Not at all happy with the way the club dealt with Slaven, but its done now we we need to move on because he isn't coming back. Hopefully this latest appointment will help the club move on with new ownership.

Pulis is in a different class to any other manager I have ever known, and must never be allowed back here.  I would rather drop into the Vanarama than watch his rubbish again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 19, 2020, 05:34:49 PM
Won his first game with sheffield wednesday today on the 9th attempt. Big 1-0 home win v Coventry. His record stands at 5 defeats 3 draws and a win. The win on the back of 4 straight defeats...

Owls fans want blood already as you can imagine
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on December 19, 2020, 10:07:34 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on December 19, 2020, 05:34:49 PM
Won his first game with sheffield wednesday today on the 9th attempt. Big 1-0 home win v Coventry. His record stands at 5 defeats 3 draws and a win. The win on the back of 4 straight defeats...

Owls fans want blood already as you can imagine
Ah but as the Players Worked aaard Pulis is happy
Seriously though that is a rubbish record Not even Big Sam got one that bad after joining a club at Palace he lost 6 games before winning Pulis has lost less but also hasn't won for ages drawing 3 that is Eight games where he didn't win
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 20, 2020, 03:19:51 PM
Quote from: beechyboy90 on December 19, 2020, 05:34:49 PM
Won his first game with sheffield wednesday today on the 9th attempt. Big 1-0 home win v Coventry. His record stands at 5 defeats 3 draws and a win. The win on the back of 4 straight defeats...

Owls fans want blood already as you can imagine
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My Wednesday supporting mate reckons it's a stupidly tough job to take over.  Already starting behind and a squad that's an absolute mess that he's had no chance to develop.  He reckons that before Pulis they were struggling to create, let alone score goals.  I pointed out that Pulis is probably the idea man for that squad then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 28, 2020, 11:30:51 PM
Sacked by SW. Ironically the decision has gone down like a lead balloon.

I thought our fanbase disliked our chairman but the Owls fans are next level.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 28, 2020, 11:55:59 PM
Hardly surprising given the way chansiri is running the club - concerns around their long term future.

Pulis was widely despised but the issue lies with the ownership rather than the dug out.

Pulis was briefing about the sack last week but it would cost him to walk away. He’s now gone and had a Barney with the owner and forced the issue. He’s then paid to go. He’s a canny operator.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on December 29, 2020, 12:00:59 AM
Sheffield is a two team city where at the end of December one team has had more managers than the other has points.

Barely had time to work his magic. Oh well back to Sandybanks for a round of golf with Harry and ready for the next nice little earner.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mank baggie on December 29, 2020, 02:49:08 AM
Quote from: Standaman on December 29, 2020, 12:00:59 AM
Sheffield is a two team city where at the end of December one team has had more managers than the other has points.

Barely had time to work his magic. Oh well back to Sandybanks for a round of golf with Harry and ready for the next nice little earner.

Might be better camping out at the travel lodge in Sheffield, maybe a job going at sheff utd !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on December 29, 2020, 04:32:23 AM
Mate is a Wednesday fan. Reckons the team is awful, players aren't being paid, no money available, massive injury crisis and the owners expect a top half finish.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on December 29, 2020, 06:31:28 AM
A nice little earner for 'our Tone'. Back on Skysport by the weekend no doubt.....

Never ever thought I would say this, but thank god we have got Sam in place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 29, 2020, 09:40:08 AM
Quote from: boinging_along on December 29, 2020, 04:32:23 AM
Mate is a Wednesday fan. Reckons the team is awful, players aren't being paid, no money available, massive injury crisis and the owners expect a top half finish.

The league table would make for better reading if they turned it upside down. Much cheaper way of going about business, quicker and as Chansiri doesn't appear to have a clue what he's doing he'd most likely be none the wiser. And presumably a lot happier.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KN22 on December 29, 2020, 01:21:25 PM
Quote from: TheJacko2000 on December 28, 2020, 11:30:51 PM
Sacked by SW. Ironically the decision has gone down like a lead balloon.

I thought our fanbase disliked our chairman but the Owls fans are next level.

They weren’t keen on Pulis either. Have many contacts in Sheffield through work. Their fans very angry when he was appointed and more so when they watched a couple of games under his stewardship. Just shows clubs can be worse off than our own.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on December 29, 2020, 01:41:43 PM
The Sheff Wed owners have done the club a massive favour. Even if it means them being relegated.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2020, 02:08:41 PM
Quote from: alex1 on December 29, 2020, 01:41:43 PM
The Sheff Wed owners have done the club a massive favour. Even if it means them being relegated.

They haven’t...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on December 29, 2020, 02:12:20 PM
Various rumours that the owner and Pulis fell out over funds being promised/not promised for January. Or that Pulis was going to be honest with Chansiri and he didn't like it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on December 29, 2020, 02:18:10 PM
I thought the main mistake was sacking Monk. He was doing well and would have fairly comfortably got them out of the relegation zone. I know he has a reputation like Pulis, but when you start on -9 points you have to survive. Now it seems they're in big trouble.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on December 29, 2020, 02:53:45 PM
Quote from: MarkW on December 29, 2020, 02:12:20 PM
Various rumours that the owner and Pulis fell out over funds being promised/not promised for January. Or that Pulis was going to be honest with Chansiri and he didn't like it.

It has to be something like this. You can't imagine that off the back of 4 points in 2 games they would sack him after such a dreadful run of form before that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 29, 2020, 05:13:25 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he'd taken the job based on not knowing the squad, just making assumptions about it, and being promised funds for January.

Then when he's actually seen the squad, and seen what he'll have to work with in January, he's engineered himself into a sackable position to collect the pay off and make sure he's not got that (R).

Of course that's just me with my conspiracy theory and low opinion of the man, but you never know.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gazberg on December 29, 2020, 05:16:53 PM
Quote from: Mikkyk on December 29, 2020, 02:53:45 PM
It has to be something like this. You can't imagine that off the back of 4 points in 2 games they would sack him after such a dreadful run of form before that.

Makes sense. Once the relationship is done why bother continuing?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on December 29, 2020, 05:22:07 PM
Quote from: FallOutBoy on December 29, 2020, 05:13:25 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he'd taken the job based on not knowing the squad, just making assumptions about it, and being promised funds for January.

Then when he's actually seen the squad, and seen what he'll have to work with in January, he's engineered himself into a sackable position to collect the pay off and make sure he's not got that (R).

Of course that's just me with my conspiracy theory and low opinion of the man, but you never know.

I'd be genuinely stunned to find he didn't know Wednesday's strengths and weaknesses given he's managed against a fair chunk of them as an opposing manager at Boro.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KN22 on December 31, 2020, 11:17:20 AM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2020, 02:08:41 PM
They haven’t...

I think they have too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on December 31, 2020, 12:24:23 PM
This is an interesting read - a full interview with the Sheffield Wednesday owner (who seems absolutely bonkers and with little idea of how to run a football club, by the way) about what happened with Pulis.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/dejphon-chansiri-wednesday-manager-alonso-19540385
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on December 31, 2020, 01:12:21 PM
Quote from: CL3MO on December 31, 2020, 12:24:23 PM
This is an interesting read - a full interview with the Sheffield Wednesday owner (who seems absolutely bonkers and with little idea of how to run a football club, by the way) about what happened with Pulis.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/dejphon-chansiri-wednesday-manager-alonso-19540385
Sounds to me like he blagged the interview by suggesting he could change tactics based on opposition (he can't, he absolutely can't), got found out and blamed the players, despite, again at the interview stage, claiming he could get a tune out of what they had, so demanded cash. Fair play to the owner for showing him the door.
Would imagine Allardyce used similar BS in his interview with us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on December 31, 2020, 01:51:33 PM
Quote from: seteefeet on December 31, 2020, 01:12:21 PM
Sounds to me like he blagged the interview by suggesting he could change tactics based on opposition (he can't, he absolutely can't), got found out and blamed the players, despite, again at the interview stage, claiming he could get a tune out of what they had, so demanded cash. Fair play to the owner for showing him the door.
Would imagine Allardyce used similar BS in his interview with us.
And Gary Monk before him said the same things in his interview, how the players were good enough etc. etc. I think the owner sounds reasonable. Except naively not anticipating what tactics Pulis would be using. I don't think there can be many in the western world who don't know which tactics Pulis uses.
Be interesting to see if Billic is on their short list.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2021, 09:57:44 AM
Quote from: alex1 on December 31, 2020, 01:51:33 PM
I think the owner sounds reasonable.

He is far from reasonable. He’s anything but reasonable.

He has taken the club into several transfer embargoes for which he has blamed supporters who he claims have failed to contribute to their club. Largely because his pricing strategy made it totally unaffordable.

He sacks anyone who disagrees with him and his trusted advisor. His advisor is a stain around S6.

He has failed to issue refunds to supporters from the curtailed season last year and called out those fans basically saying they’re not welcome at Hillsborough.

He’s made the football club homeless, by selling their ground to circumvent FFP and then knowingly declaring them in the wrong set of accounts which incurred a points deduction.

There are severe cash flow issues with players not receiving wages and debts being secured against their assets.

The playing squad is full of tripe assembled by his trusted advisor. Pulis was right to call it out with Chansiri otherwise they will find themselves in league one next season.

I could go on but won’t wish to bore the forum anymore

The fans at S6 have serious concerns about the clubs future in league one giving it is sinking in the championship
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boinging_along on January 01, 2021, 10:55:11 AM
Yeah, talking to any Sheffield Wednesday fan for more than 5 minutes you get an idea on how crazy their owners are.  Feel sorry for them, never minded them as a club unlike their neighbours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2021, 11:07:37 AM
I believe he has put on the record that he hasn't yet drawn up a shortlist for the next manager and intends to sign players himself in the mean time.

And we think Lai is a bad owner   :o

I think Pulis has played a blinder here and is certainly notin the wrong this time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on January 01, 2021, 11:35:34 AM
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2021, 09:57:44 AM
He is far from reasonable. He’s anything but reasonable.

He has taken the club into several transfer embargoes for which he has blamed supporters who he claims have failed to contribute to their club. Largely because his pricing strategy made it totally unaffordable.

He sacks anyone who disagrees with him and his trusted advisor. His advisor is a stain around S6.

He has failed to issue refunds to supporters from the curtailed season last year and called out those fans basically saying they’re not welcome at Hillsborough.

He’s made the football club homeless, by selling their ground to circumvent FFP and then knowingly declaring them in the wrong set of accounts which incurred a points deduction.

There are severe cash flow issues with players not receiving wages and debts being secured against their assets.

The playing squad is full of tripe assembled by his trusted advisor. Pulis was right to call it out with Chansiri otherwise they will find themselves in league one next season.

I could go on but won’t wish to bore the forum anymore

The fans at S6 have serious concerns about the clubs future in league one giving it is sinking in the championship
Ok, I didn't realise the full extent of his track record and was only suggesting he was right to show Pulis the door based on Pulis saying they were good enough to stay up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 01, 2021, 12:22:13 PM
As much as I dislike Pulis I do understand that Chansiri is different level bad and it is measure of how low Pulis' stock is at the minute that he even took on the job in the first place. Think it is time to hang up the Cap Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 02, 2021, 01:55:06 PM
Chansiri obviously doesn’t have a clue what he is doing...

He appointed Pulis but in his interview asked for the side to play more open, attacking football. Why did he think that would happen with a Pulis side?

He hasn’t got a clue that owner hasnt. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 02, 2021, 04:40:20 PM
I see that Sheff Wed obtained 7 points from 10 games whilst Pulis was manager and have got 7 in 3 games since he was sacked. It must be indicative of something? Perhaps:


My favourite from those is 3)!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2021, 04:45:11 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on January 02, 2021, 04:40:20 PM
I see that Sheff Wed obtained 7 points from 10 games whilst Pulis was manager and have got 7 in 3 games since he was sacked. It must be indicative of something? Perhaps:

  • It was a mistake appointing him in the first place but the right decision to sack him; AND/OR
  • Pulis was unable to adapt his one trick pony tactics to suit the squad he inherited; AND/OR
  • Football has moved on from anti-football tactics, so Pulis should crawl back under his stone (aka retire) and not "grace" football with his presence ever again

My favourite from those is 3)!  ;D

Or they've got 11 points from their last 5 after it took Pulis 8 games to sort out?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KN22 on January 03, 2021, 11:02:47 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on January 02, 2021, 04:40:20 PM
I see that Sheff Wed obtained 7 points from 10 games whilst Pulis was manager and have got 7 in 3 games since he was sacked. It must be indicative of something? Perhaps:

  • It was a mistake appointing him in the first place but the right decision to sack him; AND/OR
  • Pulis was unable to adapt his one trick pony tactics to suit the squad he inherited; AND/OR
  • Football has moved on from anti-football tactics, so Pulis should crawl back under his stone (aka retire) and not "grace" football with his presence ever again

My favourite from those is 3)!  ;D

Love this an I too prefer option number 3.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 03, 2021, 11:59:03 PM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on January 02, 2021, 04:40:20 PM
I see that Sheff Wed obtained 7 points from 10 games whilst Pulis was manager and have got 7 in 3 games since he was sacked. It must be indicative of something? Perhaps:

  • It was a mistake appointing him in the first place but the right decision to sack him; AND/OR
  • Pulis was unable to adapt his one trick pony tactics to suit the squad he inherited; AND/OR
  • Football has moved on from anti-football tactics, so Pulis should crawl back under his stone (aka retire) and not "grace" football with his presence ever again

My favourite from those is 3)!  ;D

Whilst I’m not a huge admirer of Pulis and his methods, the upturn in results does not necessarily relate to his departure.

The games following his sacking have seen them have less of the ball and create fewer opportunities than while Pulis was there.

Clinical they have been, but it’s not a Chansiri master stroke
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on July 04, 2021, 10:50:24 PM
What's Tone up to these days since his Wednesday debacle ?  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on July 05, 2021, 06:57:17 AM
Quote from: AlbionBest on July 04, 2021, 10:50:24 PM
What's Tone up to these days since his Wednesday debacle ?

Saw this thread pop up and thought he was coming back as DoF with Gourlay as CEO/'Advisor'...........  :-X , don't do this to me  ;D .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 05, 2021, 08:59:02 AM
Quote from: SmethDan on July 05, 2021, 06:57:17 AM
Saw this thread pop up and thought he was coming back as DoF with Gourlay as CEO/'Advisor'...........  :-X , don't do this to me  ;D .
Having Pulis as the DoF would be the equivalent of having Satan as the Club Chaplain.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on July 05, 2021, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: WorcsWBA on July 05, 2021, 08:59:02 AM
Having Pulis as the DoF would be the equivalent of having Satan as the Club Chaplain.
Brilliant! That did make me chuckle

And I agree  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on July 05, 2021, 01:23:14 PM
Quote from: SmethDan on July 05, 2021, 06:57:17 AM
Saw this thread pop up and thought he was coming back as DoF with Gourlay as CEO/'Advisor'...........  :-X , don't do this to me  ;D .
Even for Pulis fans, if there are any, it wouldn't make much sense, as him and VI would continually be at loggerheads over which players to work with.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 31, 2023, 05:28:16 PM
Tony’s called it quits as a manager at the age of 65:
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2023/01/31/former-west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-retires-from-management/
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on January 31, 2023, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: Hunnington Baggie on January 31, 2023, 05:28:16 PM
Tony’s called it quits as a manager at the age of 65:
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2023/01/31/former-west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-retires-from-management/
He was great at what he did. With us, he was allowed to do too much in the end. That was our problem.. not his. He did a lot of good at other clubs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies on January 31, 2023, 10:37:27 PM
Actually quite a humble sentiment in what he had to say. A classy way of confirming his retirement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 23, 2023, 12:51:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkFLyZKPihI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkFLyZKPihI)

Watched a bit of this the other day where he's mostly talking about his time as Stoke.

However, he did mention Gnabry and Berahino with us. With Gnabry, he pointed out that he'd barely played for Arsenal despite being with them since age 14 and he basically didn't try whilst with us. He also said he was happy he'd gone to achieve success and that perhaps getting sold by Arsenal kick-started his career.

I actually agree with him on this, despite the fact it often gets bought up that he mis-used him. As he says, if they guy isn't training and isn't bothered then what are you meant to do?

Regarding Berahino, he also said how it was sad that he threw his career away and could have done a lot better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on March 23, 2023, 01:40:08 PM
Quote from: WBArgo on March 23, 2023, 12:51:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkFLyZKPihI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkFLyZKPihI)

Watched a bit of this the other day where he's mostly talking about his time as Stoke.

However, he did mention Gnabry and Berahino with us. With Gnabry, he pointed out that he'd barely played for Arsenal despite being with them since age 14 and he basically didn't try whilst with us. He also said he was happy he'd gone to achieve success and that perhaps getting sold by Arsenal kick-started his career.

I actually agree with him on this, despite the fact it often gets bought up that he mis-used him. As he says, if they guy isn't training and isn't bothered then what are you meant to do?

Regarding Berahino, he also said how it was sad that he threw his career away and could have done a lot better.

Isnt it a part of a coaches job to find a way to get players performing whatever it takes, The coward also failed to get a tune out of Jermaine Pennant. 
You will gather that I give the person no credit for anything, he broke our club and will never be forgiven for that, by myself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 23, 2023, 04:14:05 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 23, 2023, 01:40:08 PM
Isnt it a part of a coaches job to find a way to get players performing whatever it takes, The coward also failed to get a tune out of Jermaine Pennant. 
You will gather that I give the person no credit for anything, he broke our club and will never be forgiven for that, by myself.
It’s impossible for all coaches regardless of standing or quality…to get all players performing .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on March 23, 2023, 05:36:04 PM
Quote from: Albionic on March 23, 2023, 01:40:08 PM
Isnt it a part of a coaches job to find a way to get players performing whatever it takes, The coward also failed to get a tune out of Jermaine Pennant. 
You will gather that I give the person no credit for anything, he broke our club and will never be forgiven for that, by myself.

I disagree. If a player doesn't want to train properly then they are solely accountable for their actions. I understand your point and Pulis wasn't exactly known for developing attacking players - but still, Arsenal shouldn't have gone near him if he was that bad a coach.

Pennant is a bit of a strange example too, seeing as his best career spell was at Stoke. This is where he had his most consistent spell and played most of his football during his career. In fact, many people at the time said Pulis redeveloped him and Etherington on the wings. Last month, Pennant also said that his career failures were entirely his fault. Further, you could claim that Pulis worked wonders with Ricardo Fuller who was known as an inconsistent hothead before going to Stoke.

I don't believe Pulis broke our club. We were in disarray before he arrived with Irvine taking us down and an awful window that tried (and failed massively) to replicate Ashworth's previous transfer policy. Pulis was akin to dancing with the devil for a few years and he improved us post-Irvine.
As mentioned though, we probably kept Pulis for one season too long and gave him too much power in the end. Nonetheless, I think others had more to blame than him - such as Irvine, Pardew, Lai etc.